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a topic around discrimination, violence,
racism. People feel attacked
and operate from that capacity to
We asked the commission of finance to
kind of explain us in terms of the the
process um that is required if we were
to exceed the tax cap and he refer us to
the law department
for what exactly we as council if we
were to proceed to vote on this budget
as
what is what it requires from the
council to follow.
>> Um so assistant corporation council
Brian asked that this conversation
happen on Wednesday when he'll be
covering the meeting but I can tell you
generally that
the city council would need to pass a
local law
tax levy limit. We have a copy of that
in the packet of what that would look
like.
Um
There would need to be a super majority
uh but this would have to be passed
the local this local law
I believe by super majority um and then
yeah
and then the council would also
separately have to um
pass the budget by supermajority. So
five are required for vote in order to
um in order to pass the budget with the
tax increase.
Go ahead.
>> So if we to pass the budget without
receiving the tax then it's just for
» I'm sorry. Which packet is this? Um was
this something that we had?
>> This the one I just
>> Oh get it. I think maybe when I was out
of the room. Maybe when I was out of the
room.
>> Gotcha. Thank you.
» Regarding this uh the process
for that next
um we can go through it in more detail.
Um I'll tell you from a high level.
This is uh the example of what the um
of what the local law would look like.
It would have to sit on the table for 7
days just like any local law. Um so
there's there's a process to it. Um and
he's um he would he asked that he uh
discuss it with you. Um but from a high
level supermajority the council passes
this local law. it goes through a local
law process. Council would also need to
again by super majority pass the budget
uh in order to have that level of
increase. Um it said so it said that the
mayor can um a mayoral message of
necessity to avoid the 7-day waiting
period between induct
local law. So the mayor can
necessity
7-day waiting period.
>> Correct.
Yeah.
So again,
assistant corporation council O'Brien
asked that he be able to go over this
process with you. So I'm happy to with
you, but he has all of the details
because he's the one who's done all the
research. He's fill out the work in the
office and he's been honest.
>> You're saying Wednesday. We're meeting
tomorrow. Is he not available?
>> He's not available tomorrow.
Sorry. Yeah.
>> But I mean if you have more questions
you can certainly ask me.
>> Are there any question regarding the tax
on the requirement? Okay. The next
question ask
if
this is the commission.
If we um decide not to
go over the tax cap, what would that
have cost us in terms of dollar amounts
against his budget tonight? You said
that to me in the email.
>> Yeah, I think so. We talked about I
never received that email.
We have to buy approximately five to6
million to fun
» give or take.
» We have to reduce our we have to
>> we have to reduce more like $6 million
>> or
they override tax either you override
it.
>> No, that's not what I'm asking.
So if we have enough money, we don't
have to worry about
>> that. That's what I said.
» Okay. No, I just want to leave that to
the table. So know where we stand in
terms of if we work through it. We're
not going to override the tax gap. We
need $6 million on the high end.
All right. So we'll go into questions to
make sure that we address all the
questions. Then we can start with the
first package.
D one of the question I asked when we
were talking briefly on events is that
but I told you we can go tomorrow.
What is the the insurance estimates?
>> Um so I can find it tonight
from
Brown. Uh we as of September 2025
goes through the nitty-gritty of what
was initially anticipated.
Um
and as we discussed earlier my general
high level review
approximately $19 million for MVP um
with our
um and other proactive steps so we can
spend another $17 million on the budget.
Do you have more?
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» Well, sorry. Uh, can you just recap that
what you were explaining?
>> Yeah, of course. So, this is from our
consultant that I work with um self
short plan. Um we meet with her
approximately a record to go over um the
extensions uh what's projected. Um as
you can see on page three it was
expected of the 26
million.
Then if you continue to go through each
page there's um showing indications of
changes increases um for example
loss risk of mitigation factor uh trends
for medical and pharmacy
and other miscellaneous
trends as well that are added to that
open um go into more um more detail
premium rates
uh premiered scenarios.
Um but if there's any questions um
regarding this packet, please let me
know.
Thank you for providing this. Um
are there any question regarding this? I have to go through it because I can't just if I have question I email
it to you. But if any members have any
question um
can be addressed now or you can follow
up with an email to uh direct
and see
we did address the local law and in the
state package there is a draft
resolution
that we pass tonight. We have the
resolution here. We just need to write
the number.
They're looking at me.
So the next um
» can I ask one question? Can
>> you just tell me what stop losses? I
probably should know. What is stop loss
premium?
>> High cost claimment. We picked a number
that limits our loss. So when they have
a catastrophic event or medical bills
that go
hundreds of thousands of dollars, that
insurance policy picks it up, limits our
losses.
The problem is we have some employees
who are on maintenance drugs and so the
stop loss policy will effectively stock
up for one year
going into the second year in future
then we become liable for that whole
amount. That's one of the factors that's
driving up our cost for healthcare.
on the the next page. This one here at
the back have we can go through this in
terms of here.
If there's anything that um
Mr. Williams you need to um address, let
us know. If there question that answer,
let us know and we can make notes and
get answers for you.
Go ahead, please.
>> There was one thing I did ask.
Um, so my specific question what was fun
down
before, but you give a little bit more
detail on that. Um I don't believe from
the research that I've done um document
the policy that the city has council has
to work with the commissioner finance
other departments to
>> city council's the policy making set the
policy for
balance or other
>> but generally minister council like
adopt them would have been one place
long for this council came about. So I
just that's why I was asking to get
through policy if we need to develop
them then that's certainly something you
could do but generally municipalities
adopt them but I was just asking what
Alex was
and um you know accent that we can
certainly look at what the comproller
would recommend in terms of our fund
balance because I think frankly we may
have to go in more into our fund balance
than we thought we would. So what does
you know what does the fund balance look
like? We should take a look at that and
>> reasonable is approximately between 15
and 1% of the operating
>> 15 20%.
Um if you look at our numbers on
assigned funds that's way
>> well um again you know I'll look at what
the recommend we don't have our own but
the recommendations um
come out of the controller's office and
so we can take a look at that
since we're on that page that you as
question is follow question on the very
same
page
one this not it's on the next item Gley
54
M port you can complete the question so
that we can go on to the next
>> where you can
>> you talk about a second attachment um
regarding outside council
>> and then the breakdown of the smart city
fund and your transport as requested we
didn't get to that as
>> we did touch on a tax sketch so do you
want to
>> I mean he's provided the answer there in
front of what expenditures. So um just
further clarify this is what we spend
year to date and there are no
outstanding bills except the 8,000
something that we have to pay to outside
council.
Yeah, I've
>> So,
yes, for the year to date as a 1020,
there's 75,000 actual
back year,000.
>> I couldn't hear commissioner, could you
repeat that?
>> The question was the year too big for
outside council. So, um Mr. to Google
months about $75,685
and about um that's expenditure to date
and then about um 3,800 in requisitions
meaning outstanding um bills that have
not been paid or been work within the
law department that has not been sent
down to the finance to be paid.
Um,
does that account for
>> record?
» Yeah. So, I would I would defer to the
numbers that finance has
a billion and some of it's ongoing. That
means you don't build it until they're
finished doing all the work. We don't
build
>> they don't build us until doing some
work. Go ahead.
>> I outside council
with the
firefight engineer
on
that process.
>> And we have a ballpark on this. And will
that be complete by the end of this
year?
» I would hope so. I don't think so.
>> Oh, okay.
So, do we have where we are right now? I
mean I know it's available hours etc. Do
you have any ballpark of where we are
right now
>> in terms of
>> yeah whether
or whenever it's finished
>> I don't have those numbers
and you have to go back in executive
session
the details of the contract.
» Thank you.
also um very important.
>> Yeah. Continue with your question.
>> The other one was a breakdown of smart
cities and he did show us what was aid
um with their categories uh in time to
have Mr. Bio kind of gave us exactly
what they expected
that available available. We have to do
a deep dive
from the company. Uh that is
um might take some time.
>> And so right now available
>> um 137's available.
» I'm not.
So can I just interpret that? So 137
would be is left un un uh spent
>> correct
>> and the other 125 126 really has been
spent. We just haven't Yeah. Okay. Just
wanted to
>> million6 grants in the pipeline require
some local funding to match it.
>> Oh okay.
M m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
matching funds with 1.5.
There are things to support that grant.
Yes.
>> Yes. So we've been you know we allocated
2 million 17 million 18 million 19 2
million 21 and so we spent according to
this we spent most of it and that's what
we had left
that line
and I I think my final question was
about the process for over tag which
barrage address and folk with the vote
into that on Wednesday.
» Did you understand the uh the fun
portion of the assigned fines open?
» Sure.
» Um so that's on side conversation. Um I
asked Mr. He sent it to all of us for
what the open and poss were and um they
find out all what he all what he
outlined in the overview he did send
that
I do have a couple more questions you
cannot prepare to answer um to answer
them right now Mr. M has a couple
questions about that.
>> Okay.
So M I have the sheet here this one the
screen
this has some recommendation also we
need to put this we need to come back to
this sheet confirm your recommendation
don't put this away please put this on
the side
the next you will see the sheet regards
of vacancies and the new fill and the
2020 budget I did ask for approval of
that so that we accordingly
for the current vacancies
in the agenda was removed and a
recommendation to the new phase.
This will be on this page.
Mhm.
» And if you have any question ask
more of the guidance.
So um on a high level here we're moving
12 adding
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>> Correct.
>> So, six seven.
>> But then on the bottom section here,
vacancies. So, you have 2 4 6 eight
vacancies.
And then the top section we were moving
the bottom section we are budgeting it
into 2026
the vacant position and then this year
she's a new uh new position that
proposed the first portion of the uh
making decisions uh has been removed
and then the bottom section has
additions that are vacant but are still
budgeted within
budget.
Go ahead. But
>> and I just want to point out that one of
them is already grant funded. So it's
not
>> that's why I asked the report for us to
see the table say they have
new position they position we need to
identify what are these position
so you
transfer we have the sheet here.
>> Yeah.
>> Any question on that? So these buzzer
transfers are just this is just year to
date that one.
>> So
that
starts off you look at the columns and
the accounts
that are encumbered into
five and then this is year date
transfers for 2025. Um, and that kind of
» Are we looking at this one right now?
>> Yeah.
» Any question regard?
>> Yes. September
from both NPOS.
Um
>> so no it's all
the transfers are separate from the
for
planning or
the process in purchasing
year usually they're enduring
the next year the transfers are executed
transfers within the line items
So I guess I was trying to figure out
how bit better understanding to how kind
like money moves within departments um
for like um I think what promptly gets
questioned when we looking at our police
overtime they were there's a significant
um proposal cut from last year um and
chief uh didn't seem didn't really feel
like that was going to be the adequate
number. Um, and I know that there's talk
around that and every year we feel that
we have what we need for our first
responders. So, I was trying to figure
out
how do we
find the money every year to um
overtime. I want to ask you a question
maybe in a different way. Well, we
transfer money from one
position, lack of better terms, from
another. So, so I think it's kind of
like I was trying to get last year's
transfers like and I believe the I think
I last couple years, but maybe last
year's transfer so I could like we can
kind of read like what the themes are on
what spaces are.
Now, you put some overtime here. We're
over our budget overtime. said that they
reach out to you and sometimes they
transfer. So that was the information I
was looking for
but typically um
transfers into salary line
and over time and premium. So usually
we'll find where you see for example
people come in the department
contract
last contract
within their salary and all the time
lines.
>> Okay. So the so the information here
right now wouldn't really necessarily
answer that question. Right.
>> Right. Do you have to look at as much um
their contracts? Um
>> well I mean this again this wasn't just
for police. I used police as an example.
It could be for anyone in any department
>> but for any for any um unions uh for any
department the salary lines or lines all
contractual.
» Okay. So I guess I'm so we could we
could circle back to that for the
information I'm trying to get is what
are what transfers
happen
within the city from from one line to
another over the last couple years cuz
I'm trying to identify where themes are
coming because sometimes it feels like
you know thinking to talk about this
you know maybe there's open positions
that were kind of leaving Vietnam as a
way, you know, to hopefully fill them.
But when they're not filled, we use that
money as a fund to fund other things.
And I think for me and for everyone um
that's paying attention to this, I think
it would it would be good to have the
information. I think it provides a much
clearer thing to say, hey, we're asking
for this in our department. We haven't
maybe used these bills in the last two to three years. We have
pulled some of these open positions to
fund this. That's the best information
I'm looking for
and that this won't provide that right
now. So, we can just um we'll work
together and necessary information.
Thank you.
>> So, do you want to follow up with
» Mhm.
>> So, we as
finished follow make a note of it follow
up. So you'll kind of go through all the
things that are in the unfinished pile
before we leave, right?
>> Yeah, that's I'm moving. Yes, that's
good. And anything that we need to
follow up, we'll do. Anything that we
need to complete the question and answer
goes on different path. Uh Mr. Farley,
you had another question regarding um
you asked for report detailed
information on golf course revenue that
can be tracked for future capital
project.
No, but I but I no I didn't receive that information. So what I again what I
was looking for is in the course of our
conversation it seemed like course
unfunded there um that uh I believe it
was Mr. Rolling was saying that we're
trying to get the golf course to a point
where it's self-sufficient and
discriminating and black. One mechanism
to do that is taking um revenue and the
revenue goes back into the general fund.
However, when we looking at our capital
project, we're borrowing that government
to do to do the project, but it could be
budget.
>> We're not budgeting off um capital
reserves.
>> Okay, I help you understand that. So,
>> so they they make enough money where we
put into their fund balance where we
don't have to borrow from any of their
capitals,
>> right? So, any of the capital requests
that we're making, it's they're they're
make we're pulling that from the funds
that they're bringing in. Correct.
>> Right. Okay. Yeah, that's Well, yeah.
And we already capital information as
far as what the revenue is.
>> Yeah. So, if you if you look at the
capital expenditures at the year at the
end of the budget, you see that the line
that says uh reserve funds captures
for each section.
>> Certainly. Okay. Yeah, that that was
information that that was I was looking
for. Thank you.
>> Can I
before you So, you need to follow up on
this to get this report. Um, no, no, no, If the information is there, I think
I can I can strap it for what we got.
>> 24 are
locked in the 25s. Again, that's one of
the things that's very dependent on
weather.
>> Sure.
>> So, we've run, you know, they upgrade
the courses. Wonderful. Fantastic. We
had a terrible spring
>> and so we're still playing catchup to
get to the 24 numbers and 25.
>> I keep our fingers crossed that we're
going to
>> equal that. And if you could tell me
what the weather's going to be in 26,
I'll go back and modify the budget to
accommodate
>> I can tell you that wouldn't be here.
>> But definitely uh Okay. Yeah. So what
because my thought is uh for that is
that if we can I mean with the variable
the weather seems to be a pretty large
variable um within consideration of that
>> um looking at okay what would be the
anticipated uh revenue I think that
>> looking at that revenue again to support
um the the youth services line on that's
the trail I'm looking to go down that's
request
This is part of your
followup question in terms of um in
terms of the funding that you were
trying
at all in terms of the fee any special
fee increase
>> to offset the some sort of sort of
mentioning back on your viewing.
>> Well certainly I think but after the
conversation I I was thinking a couple
different things and we could look at
the increase of of of service fee.
think that that's doable, but also
looking at the what's what's existing um
and maybe uh prioritizing that money to
support the youth service line
>> even if we didn't.
>> Um so I just wanted to say cuz I was
looking at Mr. Farlay's question um that
the course is fully self-sufficient. So,
I just wanted to clarify that because
this said that you wanted to make sure
that we were able to move the course
toward full self-sufficiency, but it is
actually um fully self-sufficient and
actually generating revenue uh for the city. And then I do have a
couple of ideas that I haven't had a
chance to share with you um around the
$150,000 that I will share with you um
that wouldn't affect this budget. That
would be other requests that maybe we
could make to others.
um around that 150,000.
>> Yeah. And I and so yeah, I look like
having those conversations with you. I
what I was saying is that I recognize
that it is self self-sufficient. Mr.
Robin was saying that the process that
happens right now is is to make sure
that that the golf course the golf
course stays in the black and to support
their own capital projects. Um and my
I'm just a thought after you know we put
we made quite a significant uh
investment in the golf course from ARPA
funds um to justify you know what could
result in a re rate increase and or
maybe re rep prioritizing some of that
money that's existing to support the
youth services line.
>> Thank you Mr.
>> Any other questions? So after this mark
is done, Mr. Farley um
>> or you just want to follow up and put
>> Well, I mean I got the I got the
information we'll just explore some
ideas and what we can do. Thank you.
>> Okay. Y
>> All right. So the next document I have
is work is consider
behind that was um how
Police
condition
saying that
um based on this document there claims
throughout the city
believe that it might be with people
sometimes functioning out of their
immediate scope. So I think we can think
back to how the medios are defined and
method just with the general catch all
of the certification
or operating certain machinery but just
because you need one you can use
and see does that mean you are expected
to jump in between all the expectations.
So we wanted to have presentation to
have a specific department that each
person is attributed to um with the
hopes to keep this number down or
identify what's the cost because I I
find it hard to believe that individual
products one of our waste apparatuses
day in and day out some of the um that
we see which I know is an executive
session seem like they are avoidable
instances that due to lasting
That is something that we can discuss as
a console committee session and we have
to do an executive session and we still
do it and follow and talk about policies
and things that bring in commission or
GS commission to discuss further in
terms of
any concern
>> not the policy though but how they're
identify I think that has value in our
discussion for budget.
>> What you mean discuss put it in the
budget in terms of the the expected um
outcome.
>> So your MO and SNAP doesn't mean you
know subtle NOS like I'm using this to
justify there are differences
>> and even if you are pulled from one
that's fair but I think understanding
where you're pulling from is an
important fact that to be outlined.
>> Go ahead.
>> Well no I just I think that Mr. Williams
just clarified for me. Um, so because we
do move them around as needed and I
think that you just said that, right?
>> Yeah. Go ahead.
» Go ahead. So please, so you asked for um
working
did you only specifically ask for in the
significant number
and this is only
Oh, I didn't prove that one.
Next time
next page, I did ask for a copy of the
more of like a high level summary in
terms of how many money um allocated to
the city and how many is allocated for
the agency. But I can do that because I
will take the Excel version and um
I'm going to do my own because I just
want to highlight that because I know
you know we already
that um
we awarded uh money to our friends and families. So I wanted to
highlight that to make sure that when we
address that just watch it to identify
how much money was awarded to the city
and the other agency that received the
funding and to identify those so we can
put that to rest.
» The next report on this is a smart city.
So I I as I asked about that and um and
they referred to the fact that we gave
information just over exactly how fun
is there a follow up to this? Yeah, he
said it would take some time.
» How do you want broken down? How much we
spend on fiber? You want access points?
Well, so I'm a customer, but again,
so yeah, bring it down because um I'm
sure you know what I was trying to
figure out. It's not but it looks like
uh you're saying that we only have
137,000 left. So it's not a huge amount
of money.
Um
but I didn't sure if it's if at this
point let me think it through if it's
worth it. But I know we put it we you
know we had 7 million in there. I didn't
realize what fent to do.
The question is we're asking for your
breakdown of the smart city money
including what has been spent.
>> How much remain any open uh purchase
orders
>> in 23 and 21 we spent um like over well
yeah 2 million over 2 million in 21 and
over 3 million in 23 and the other
years.
So, and I thought that by now it's we're
in 25 that we were supposed to be have
like wrapped this up and um gotten it
done, but now we're getting more money.
So, there's obviously more to be done.
So, yes, that would be just how we spend
it and but what um
Mr. Kin said is that the new money
that's coming in the 1.6 million can
only be spent on smart city and nothing
else. the kind of lighting that we need
in the budget only
>> that's going to
platform primarily
go
» something that you can get in the
private
typically for accounts payable
>> detailed yeah detailed documents It's a
lot of documents but hundreds of pages.
» So I looked specific or you get briefing
from Mr. Ken on what has been spent.
>> So what you so if it's spent it's spent
and it was just is there anything that's
encumbered but not spent in this? So
open field
that's what
>> just this specific amount right here
>> and then the available amount
37 that's what
>> so I since it was a significant amount
tax um
there's not a lot left so I'm not sure I
mean if you can get some that would be
fine but it's only there's only $137
there
that's even available
And really we're trying to see if the um
1.6 million that we're getting could
have we could have gotten some of that
from this back to the general fund.
That's that was my
>> again
capital. You can't do
>> I got it. I understand that was I was
thinking I didn't know. So now you know
I was like I figured out that we can
move some of that money there.
We can't we cannot
move. Um
maybe you can ask for what but it's it's
just it's it's not a significant amount
that it'll help but it won't it really
won't close
>> but it was you know it is kind of
significant but it looks like it is for
capital so because I was thinking the
same thing but
137,000 not chicken food.
>> No sh to your mom
>> but it's all set.
Don't move on. A question was asked Miss
Cargo in terms of the board of zoning
appeal piece for services and that was
provided to us
that bill from Mr. Williams.
Mr. You had another question regarding
code enforcement a664100
code enforcement office for logic for
eliminating revenue generating and
compliance officer.
Department of the Department of
Administration of public works has been
his response was their current
so it's
so long.
There was a question here from
fund balance.
>> Yes. And we didn't receive
a detail available.
>> Yes.
» 724
and open purchase order.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. And you're going to And then this
we have this report here in terms of the
last report. You're going to be so you
want to
>> Yeah. I have some questions. I said
so there should be a followup.
>> Yes.
I'm sorry. Which one was that?
>> This was this.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Um I think that's all I have in
terms of question. Are there any other
questions that
you have? I don't think I'm missing.
That's all I have.
just so
we'll go back to you in terms of your um
I think we answer the question and we
can go through your um recommendation
in terms of recommendation that we think
please make notes
You should have this page.
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So walk us for a while on this line and
if we have question we can ask and then
we'll move to the next
So starting
recommendations, but what in order
to rail a lot of regiments just
identifying just issues or concerns with
respect
to the general fund in a year that is
conceivably one of the most difficult
years in the state and I would
absolutely agree. So I think if we are
put in best position to then further
evaluate us for expenses that are very
much needed. I think we have to go
through
fully meet the request of certain
apartments um and not completely forego
certain expenses just due to your
current. So um each vehicle that I use
there is
there were never I didn't zero down any
recommendations. So reducing from 2 to
one. Um I know for some of our
recommendations we do come at different
cost. There's a difference between
reducing
two rear packers to one is different
than reducing
I think 350 from two to one parks. So I
know that those have different weights.
Um but sincerely didn't calculate all of
the recommendations that I had that fall
to $2.19 million.
is a large figure that can influence the
difference between people who make
decisions between the taxes and choosing
between food and other meanings in their
households. Um I would point out the
last recommendation I had was in line
with just how the refuse and waste
charges have increased considerably for
people in the city. Um that A2130 D line
which
what is it again?
>> Uh alpha 2130 delta that refers to the
>> waste outside the city. The past few
years I've saw that number just rise
uh considerably lower in respect to just
fees increases for residents within the
city. With that followed in line with
the expectations for increases for
people living in the city which is 32%.
Increasing that to similar standards
that possibility did not calculate back
into my overall overall number that way
by $195,000.
Just showing if they're asking our
residents to pay more for trash. I think
it's disingenuous to give that service
away for free. I know it's not free with
a marginally less increase outside of
the city.
May contract we have a contract under
deal with Scotia for that. So there's an
inflationary
uh proponent of that
and I apologize I don't know what your
contracts are but we cannot go down the
path taking
items that are budgeted in the capital
budget and then look at putting it in
the general budget items in the 26
capital budget have almost no effect on
26 budget. Those are items that we would
hopefully buy in 26 or going into 27.
And the impact is really 27, but
the message coming out saying that
you're looking at taking money that we
intend to borrow
and that's again proposals the capital
budget. You probably have to switch that
to a RAN revenue anticipation note or a
CAN tax
anticipation note.
» Our capital budget is like um a
Christmas wish list, right? What we
need, what we need and we always
approach you. I understood we need
money,
>> right? And we usually borrow money
to fund more those capital funds.
>> Correct.
>> Uh if if I may say, I mean, what the
suggestion is on the table in terms of
we're in a delicate position
>> and we Yes, it's it's a capital. We're
going to borrow money. It's not part of
the budget,
>> but if you don't want to borrow it, I
understand that. But you cannot take
that money,
>> which you're saying borrow.
>> It's not It's not money that we have.
>> It's funny that um
the message is that I know we're we're
tight crunch. We need a tight no way
more money. Can we put this off?
>> Go ahead. Well, I can only speak um spec
I did talk about the uh when I saw this,
I did talk to our parks director about
the first item and um just wanted to
point out that the equipment that he
currently is using is like 13 years old.
Um and that particular truck, he also
uses it to plow the snow from some of
the other parks. It's not just limited
to one park. So, it is how we um we use
it across the across the city. So,
that's 70,000 I would like to uh keep in
um but I do understand what we're saying
that it doesn't affect the taxes in any
way, right? I mean, it's um because
they're capital projects. So, um but
that's the only one that I uh wanted to mention to you. And then I
don't know the only other thing I would
say though is the IT smart node upgrade.
Um,
I think that, you know, Mr. Khan, that
seemed like a pretty legitimate, we kind
of need it, uh, for our technology. But
again, I'm not a I'm not an IT
specialist, but
>> so whether it becomes out of state now
or the future, right? The decisions we
make now, the opponents, what we do are
going to say this in no way affects next
year's budget thereafter. So I think we
need to change our practices of how
we're evaluating like these purchases
moving forward. Um I would say for
department heads or anyone bringing
products forward, they don't they're not
forced to make the decisions or
calculations that we are responsible for
in this room. Their focus point is how
do I approve the living conditions of
people in the safe? So they're going to
be for everything on this list and there
always is going to be justification for
these things.
>> If not, I would question their logically
accepting it. Um
>> but the responsibility we have now is
what difficult decisions are we going to
make because if we continue to say we
can we need can't do without this thing
and I would say let's just we're going
to waste the time and just pass the
budget.
» Uh we have to understand I mean there's
some money that we can borrow at some
point in time we're going to have to
taxpayers going to pay the next year or
two. So, it's cost going to be added to
the budget in a year or two. And it's
like similar to home. I mean, we're
tight crunch in your your own personal
life and go there and buy an SUV on top
of all the escalation and the price
that's going on and down the road you
have to pay for it. So yes, we're going
to part money, but uh we need to be very
careful what we do
>> because if we're going to be cutting
across the border, we need to make sure
that we address
every
>> department
by not making some of those capital
investments to drive up the maintenance
costs and other lands.
» Oh, just got the individual back full
time. Hopefully not.
H listen,
>> there was a full-time person how we were
identified that was off for a
considerable amount of the year that
individual is now back. Some of the
expectations that Mr. Lefon had with
being able to work with individuals
offline to help with some of those
internal concerns he hasn't been able to
do for much of this year. Hopefully that
cost savings into next year.
But the thought also is if our equipment
is not getting into more accidents
because we're keeping people in line
with their work workflow expectations,
the vehicles apparatuses will stay in
good functional way.
Do you want to touch on the bottom of
your page?
» Um 60p 1621
kind of walk us through there and then
we'll page and then we'll go into the
other
» 1621 that
>> it's not these. Yeah. So the SL chart
clearly the year to date uh for that
line 1621 to 41 the year was 10% and
going up through the year but sincerely
focus here is how do we these reductions
get closer in line with that unique
minds.
So with that just trying to every dollar
is looking at your dollars.
Any question on that?
So move to E3120
that is on edition 32.
Great.
31.
» I'm sorry. What page was it, Mr. M?
31.
>> Thank you.
» Yeah, I have administration.
>> So, here it is 50% and two months left
in the year.
» May 31. I imagine that would be one of
those lines where there are uh those
transfers
calculate those
funds ahead of time. We can deliberately
fund some other things rather than not
include them and have to have a budget
appropriation to include them.
>> So can I just um Mr. Williams? So
instead of
So you want to actually
3120
402. Oh, you are you adding all three of
those 402s
or four? There's four of them, I'm
sorry. Or is it just the plain one
administration expense?
>> Just the plain one.
>> Gotcha. So you want that to go down by
25,000
>> based on the fact that the year end date
is 50%.
Um, and I don't have a note on that
particular one
>> on what it was for.
>> I would say Mr. a point there not been
glaring out side of large increases or decreases in this line for it to
cause like
a point of comment like when they're
coming to present for me and I had other
questions about our overtime lines drawn
from because for police and fire it's
on a recent basis that the majority of
those expenses come in December. So that
draws me to ask why. Because if we can
eliminate that or reduce it, that would
make considerable savings for us. And if
you're going to tell me, it's because we
have a holiday in December. There are
holidays and other ones that don't draw
that much money. And I know I'm jumping
around a little bit, but over time lines
and at least confirm
resident reviewing comments. Um year
date one was like 1%. So you're telling
me that's going to jump 99% in the month
of December?
>> I I hear what you're saying. So I think
we I'd like to hear more of an
explanation as well.
>> So that wasn't one of my discuss
reduction because that requires more
conversation. Um but that's why I asked
it.
>> Yeah. No, I I
asked the question around the transfers
and getting that information while
decision. I feel like there's probably
really good justifiable reasons why some
of the things are moving the way they
are. We just kind of need to have a
better understanding of it.
Now that is
>> um I just so maybe um our commissioner
could just explain it might just be an
accounting thing but why the spend down
happens in December because I understand
what Mr. Williams is saying. So
>> some contractual payment
>> to be here
» specifically looking for 31.
>> Um well there were a few aren't there a
couple that go
>> 3120 117. Well that's holiday. Okay.
Yeah, it's dependent on the contract.
Um, but I believe this one in particular
was uh one of the uh members that they
need to um status
out.
» Mhm.
>> Okay.
» Any other question regarding
proposal?
If I move to page 6
8664
100
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» So they lowered the
proposed law enforcement officers from
12 to 10 and then One of my big comments
was why would we do that? Um we're going
to talk to Mr. Fency to say they were
actually at five. Um I don't know how no
one needs to think that they're going to
hire five code enforcement officers in
2026.
I'm going to push back and say some to
none. Um I'm going say some but I think
that also follow the question a lot of
the conversations we had before this
discussion about that department of
itself separate conversation. So I
definitely think looking to lower that
number for more reasonable figure two
positions away. I don't think that's
hurting anyone and there's still
available positions for individuals they
identify themselves.
» So you're suggesting lowering from 10 to
a lower number
>> of vegan positions. Yes. just want to
close up.
» I need a different color.
>> It's start I I think that what it seems
might be happening. And I guess what I'm
my wondering is when again when we're
having these vacant positions that are
left in um does that become
uh yeah draw source for different
expenses and that's why and I'm sure
that we've captured that in transfers
understand like where that information
happens but we'll be able to see that
but that's that was the my entire uh
like some of my receptions that
there's most likely going to be
shortfalls in our revenues uh in this
year. We're probably not going to hit
figures depending if you look at, you
know, later days. So,
that's going to be captured. Um you're
not going to see any savings from these
salary lines from these overtime lines.
um you know depending on if we did hit
100% of these revenue numbers then yes
maybe
uh
>> fun.
So yeah, I don't think I'm missing. So
my question is how much money is being
left in vacant positions and then being
pulled from the what would be this
position that it was filled to go to a
different expense? I that's the question
I'm trying to figure out.
>> Go in here and we look at expenditures
uh try to balance everything out. So say
if okay we have budgeted five something
currently and our revenue expectations
and our expenses are um fund balances
going to be decreased.
So I'm not sure if that's answering your
question. So we might not see the extra
funding salary and overtimes.
So, so what you're saying is that when
the if we don't meet our revenue that
money that might be in in that position
held in that line goes to our fund
balance. That's what you're saying.
>> So, no, if we meet our revenues meet
expectations.
>> Sure.
>> Revenues are over expenditures
>> that have to balance.
>> Yeah. It still doesn't answer that
question as far as well I think again I
just need to get information on
transfers.
>> Let me see if I can try to So let's use
um this department code enforcement with
vacancies.
>> Sure.
>> So if they have to spend on on another
line and if they have funding on one of
those vacancies they use that money
within that specific department to help
offset any overrun.
>> Ex Yes, that's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, I'm trying.
>> Mhm.
>> They do and that's happening all the
time. Yes, the police department
mentioned that to us. That's why they
help with the overtime because they
always have taken position and funding
on those specific line.
>> So they use that funding within that
department
>> to help them with over time or any
additional uh related expense.
>> So at given time they're shortening the
in the dollar amount on your timeline
>> but in other pockets they can make it up
over time,
>> right? But what ends up happening is
that when you know to pass the budget in
good faith,
if we know that the trend of the last 3
years is that these vacant positions are lines are being pulled from to
support anything other than that
position, then we should probably have
like a a more realistic conversation.
And I think that's kind of what Mr.
Williams at least uh related to uh my
inquiry around transfer because it seems
like if I'm a department heading and I'm
saying I need seven positions. I've only
filled two in the last 3 years but I've
pulled from those five bacon positions
to support another budget line. Let's
just reflect that and say we want the budget line to be funded this way so
the numbers are are clear is what I'm
saying. So that's why we need that
information on on the transfers
happening so we can identify any trends
that we're seeing.
>> Excuse me.
>> Go ahead.
>> So this actually goes to um a question
based on what Mr.
said that um because I'm looking I've
been looking at revenues and how we
increase them. I think we have this from
both ends but um you specifically said
that that maybe we would have some
revenue that we're anticipating. Is
there some particular revenue line that
you think we may not hit or several?
I believe home sales is one of them.
But it's already
» Okay. So, let's um let's continue with
stay on track.
» So, so it's fairly I mean if you look at
the majority of it from the last budget
overall.
>> Mhm. If we were if we had a good sort of
lot this money would come back to the
general fund from department or
shortfall they will use the funding
within department of health.
» Mhm.
>> Um
the next one is um
try to find
>> I think you you've missed the digit
there. Is that 89 89?
>> Yes. Oh, I I hope that it's
I think it's 9089,
I think. I wasn't sure.
>> It's on the top of the second page or
the back page.
I couldn't really find it either.
>> I didn't I didn't know who it was.
» I need to come back.
>> What department? What department?
>> I wasn't sure.
Where's my budget?
>> Page 30 for 1989.
>> Oh, maybe it's missing the first number.
Huh?
» Can you see?
Yes. Yes, it is. Thank you, M.
>> Oh, okay. Okay, I got it. I see it.
I think they're telling us that July
demolition
» 1989. Okay.
>> A 1989 contingency.
>> Our year to date is 282,500.
» What is our 28?
>> 282,51.
» So like 300K.
>> And there's certain things you can
educate around. I can't really say no
where this has happened but I understand
what I mean.
>> Mayor how is our recovery insurance
recover
taken down after higher?
» It's hit and miss. Some of those uh get
nothing back and other ones we've been
fairly successful.
Is it a long drawn up process report or
they just settled through the insurance
company?
>> It seems it's all talked to they're not
when you're dealing with insurance
companies, it's never quite as
>> simple where you send them the bill and
they send you back the check. So, it's the what the value is and what the
coverage is.
We some people cash insurance walk away
from the property
cash insurance check.
>> Are we not filing a lean on that very
moment?
>> We are now in the past.
>> And sometimes it's a little bit of lag
from the event till you've identified
the uh contextual policy that's
provided.
Any
question?
» Yeah, this is line we have to consider
because we do have unfortunate situation
with demo one and things like that. It
does cost us more money now the 80. We
used to pay a couple years ago 30
$40,000 for demo. Now it's almost
double.
>> What line is are you talking?
Oh, you're still
>> we take out of the general fund, but the
land back gets paid for. So, there's
different sources there depending on the
uh again the property what we're trying
to accomplish.
That's all. Anything else?
>> I don't know.
» So, we're talking about
>> No, no, this is just a discussion of
We're just discussing having open
dialogue and you know flushing things
out that people have an idea why you're
making that um recommendation.
And the next one here you going to the
bottom of the page waiting break about
union negotiations.
Uh the last one is just a matter of just
practice. I don't know what I've noticed
in by its past is that taking into
consideration
um step offices not being at 100%
individuals are expected to do more
which is understandable. I think the
worry is when we then make
payroll or compensation adjustments to
recognize the work that they have done,
>> but those adjustments aren't further
considered one of those departments
funded
>> to 100% or have 100% staffing. We've
then inflated this position. Um, and
then when we use that position as a
point of reference to align other
individuals in like positions, then
we're now chasing these
just truly
um
uh absorbent compensation packages that
might not even reflect the work that
they're actually doing at this current
culture. So later on I was wanting to do
a job evaluation which was not my idea.
Mr. probably mentioned it last year um
just to understand does the right work
align with the right individual at the
right department but sincerely there has
to be a stop or an evaluation of how do
we recognize people going above and
beyond and to my respect please correct
me if I'm wrong anyone else that budget
line made the most sense because that is
something that is only in line with this
year and that we can evaluate on an
annual basis but giving you that
division funding would not throw a
little bit to have
uh having that be an expectation going
forward. It's a consideration.
So just along those lines perhaps in
other words like I you know the stipens
that some departments get but not all
the departments get them and again I
understand there's a big difference
between
public employment and private employment
but you know many of us that many folks
that work in private employment wouldn't
necessarily get any extra money um if
they were working
past a certain amount of hours in a day
or uh and I know some of it is
contractual and and negotiated in our in
our contracts here, but you know there might be an expectation where
folks you know if you have a job
especially a senior management job for
example you have to stay until you
finish the work um without necessarily
getting a stipend but again that's
probably different in public and go
ahead
>> those were put and it's developed over
time. Those are put in for people who I
make calls to at 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the
morning. I expect them to answer the
phone. I expect them to respond. I
expect them to deal with whatever
situation's in front of them. It is way
far above and beyond somebody having to
work a couple hours.
>> Gotcha.
We have to look at it on a broader
picture in terms of uh we're not raising
enough revenue
>> and we're we're asking the taxpayers to
fit the the bill so that we can increase
our costs
and I think it's fair working I mean
going back to the private sector from
the private sector if you're not
bringing revenue you're not getting
bonus you're not getting a raise.
>> That's that's
>> so we have to treat the city
similar to the private sector. We bring
in revenue, we return the expenditure
back and for making it then we need to
adjust. I mean, yes, I'm a big advocate
for police and dividend raise, but at
some point in time, we have to let you
know
does not allow for us to give you x
amount to raise on a given year or we
can make up in a future year as we go
on. And I mean, they should understand
that we are in crunch time. So, we have
to crunch our numbers. Uh, it's not it's
not easy thing for us to do across the
board here.
Well, I I want to make sure that my
order is clear. It's not to align a city
with like a forprofit corporation
because it's not. But sincerely, I think
being to put the emphasis on staff and
when we don't, that has a burden on
departments. But we can't absorb that
into each individual staff and to
appease individuals
>> because when we look at it collectively,
>> that is also part of the reason why
we're here.
>> Not 100%. But we're looking at the
details of how we ensure next year's
budget is not as bad. Otherwise, there's
pretty all hand down moment.
Then go back to the conversation that we
have with Miss Carr where she had she
was requesting a pretty reasonable pot
of money that that was going to be
considered for overtime. In the course
of that conversation, what she said was
that her team is working um and and
based on the the need that they are
flexing their time. So, in other words,
if they have to present to us and
they're they're staying late doing a
presentation for us or we're out in the
community doing something, then instead
of their work day maybe starting at 8:00
when you got the birthday starting at
10:00.
>> So, and I think that when we were
considering um compensation packages
last year, um a lot of the conversation
was we want to get people to a point to
where obviously um we're compensating
them fairly for the work that we're
doing.
I mean, I think that there's I don't
think this has to be one one extreme or
the other. Maybe there's a scenario in
which we create a collective um
uh I'm using this term stipen that is spread across the board and we
know that we only going to use these in
those most very extreme circumstances
that the major mayor is talking about.
And then
for other departments, the expectation
would be for people to um to flex their
time and or you know and and
understanding that the raises that are
given that have been given in our
subsequent years really should reflect
the value of the position that they're
doing cuz if that's not the case then
how what was the formula and I think
this goes to Mr. lawyers for us a little
bit as the decided to give those um
favorable races to begin with.
Um this der would you mind give us a
report in terms of the management prices
>> the total cost.
>> Did I uh did I
>> no you can get it
» we'll move to the next page and you have
some questions there.
>> Uh all those are provided answers. All
>> uh these are the questions. I appreciate
this.
>> Perfect. Perfect. Improvements on
initiatives.
>> Um want to address that because it's
part of
>> Yes. No. So the garbage we had to
address garbage. I know there were
comments at the last city council
meeting um by a collective body that
voted that legislation through. I do not
think it fall, you know, I do not think
it does not fall on any one of us
singularly. Um but sincerely the bulk
items that needs to be revisited but um
there was a revenue lines talking about
evaluation of revenue lines that did not
meet. There was one for trash for half a
million dollars. I remember vividly a
discussion of how can we anticipate that
revenue
prior to see legislation passed and the
mayor was very in the fact that that
money was going to be here. There was
not no need to really can't those
conversations at this present juncture
but I don't know whether we buy garbage
cans which was one of the
recommendations from this tutorial with
bar funds we don't have funds if we are
not going to agree on a bag limit if we
are not going to agree on a
standard for devices
we have to do something but if nothing
more than to limit the workers comp
claims which I imagine in part are are
due to the fact that this is unregulated
Again, this is not anything that's going
to solve the $6 million gap, but it's
going to lower that uh the threshold of
getting larger in ways that pass.
Um, I know we talk about contracts, we
need to look at u best and worst case
offers. Every city I've looked at, there
have been positive returns from putting
out like garbage cans. I know the term
investment right now is not something
that is being seen
well, but regardless, we sincerely have
to identify a better path forward. And
the plans are just one of justifications
of why we need to figure this out sooner
than later.
Uh the next one, updating codes. I did a
brief list. I I referenced the state's
website. um
different schools of thought just
evaluating just how we can improve
things moving forward. Um we have to
incentivize people getting permits um
otherwise they're not going to or
they're just going to wait for the
nights or they're going to wait for
weekends. That is not something that is
a a secret that is apparent um and not
the fact that we only have five home
officers. So, uh,
the list of approvement providers, um,
it looked like it was just updated for
electricians and it seemed like it's
pretty outdated. Um, I think as a city
we can have a good list and a bad list.
Um, uh, just these are individuals that
uphold the standards of our work. These
are the ones that we think we should
value because they meet the the
considerations from our codes
department. Um and they should be thrown
at a higher pedestal. Um but also there
is an opportunity to let everything work
assignments
driving around at night or driving
around on the weekends more. I know um
highlighted that that is done. I think
there's improved room for generating
growth on those driving lines um if not
just to hold compliance to a standard
because it is zero for weekends and that
is scary.
Um
and part of the concern the conversation
we had earlier was uh talking about um
prejudices.
If we are not proactively
uh identifying households that are not
providing permits,
then the only people that are getting
responded to are the ones that are
getting calls for complaints,
which by standard could be very uh
disproportionate to impact one community
or the other.
I think part of point of wanting to look
at the terms, not talk about executive
session conversations. I think that's a
way we can ensure there's no bias. We
treat every neighborhood fairly because
we spend equal time in each
neighborhood.
Um
I talked a lot about the NEO positions
reflecting their department assignments
and then just the job evaluation was
just understanding
not how do we lower your um compensation
but how do we streamline the task and
responsibilities expected for your
position. And we were just talking about
the secio a lot. When you have an
individual that's been here for that
long um leave naturally they have a lot
of hats but then on their exit out who
wears those hats
>> and then now that those hats are being
designated to other people how do you
compensate them for wearing those hats
and then it's that circular
conversation.
to to add to that I mean we have been on
this country for a very long time to
kind of remind everyone we have been
talking about succession plan as long as
we have been on this counsel myself each
department and we have every time
the department sick to keep asking
and um you know it's something that we
encourage in all department to have that
training had somebody ready to take
over.
But um it's not going to happen all the
time. You know, sometimes, you know, you
just hope hope for the best.
What I ask you to do, if you don't mind,
uh to go back to the sheet, can you
attach the dollar amount just for
reference sake and
have it for us?
And you you have some uh you can
continue to bottom on the sheet if you
don't mind.
>> Uh I think 16 was uh
being giving the signal.
>> It is it's utilities administration fee
for services to add that $500 back.
the two NEO positions. Uh the
conversations that I've had with uh Mr.
Anderson and also the emails he sent in
to us wanted to ensure that that um
position line supports the training
program we put in place that is on where
we continue to train individuals for
positions that don't exist really train
people to leave the city which I think
is counterproductive. so we can make the
acquisitions available or move the
program and start trying to train people
out of the city.
>> Um
the $150,000
there was one individual that came and
spoke at city council and just talked
about preventative measures the city
need to take but also as Mr. Farley
always highlights this is an investment
into our community and to our youth. Uh
so I don't want to see a uh partial increase in the golf fees but
then also seeing the city to take a
stronger position. He was Mr. Carl was
talks about intentionality. I think the
city needs to intentionally put in place
for them to fund this position and I
think we can put that burden onto CBG
CDBG funds uh which organizations we
have to find that within the state are
youth matter and according to the
proposed budget they don't that's not
available all the youth wants removed
um replacing the uh seasonal labor order
physicians an A8161
100.
One of the questions I had was what is
their um hourly wage? It was told to us
that it was uh $1,750 plus $2 when
they're any waste when in all reality
it's $1,550 plus 2 hours and I know that is a contracted wage.
you are not paying me seven hours to do
that work expectation and waste and the
fact that we have people that are doing
it is a testament to their desire and and confidence in doing that work
which often people turn their nose up
that shocking shocking if we're talking
about education these are some of the
positions that are most underfunded in
our city and those contract and do that
with a smile and to the best of their
abilities and people are turning their
nose back then you need to be ashamed of
yourself if you're doing that right now.
So part of the conversation was
taking half of the a lotment for the
seasonal labor loader positions and I
don't know bring in two full-time staff
members where your wage is a little more
livable especially after we to expect
them to eat this tax savings. I do not
think that is something that is a
difficult ask.
And I think the last item, the A8686 was
just another recommendation from the
department head of I miss my toys.
So this was
put in half seasonal lab motor
>> that probably just happened and convert
I don't know if it does it cleanly but
we with benefits it could roughly equate
to half
» I'm not looking Any
other questions?
I I have some question regarding the
gosp
page
>> revenue.
» Just a clarification on the allowance
for uncollected tax.
Which line?
» Oh, I see it.
>> 0
question and if we we're proposing an
increase in
real property tax collection and should
we anticipate lowering the uncollected
taxes or is there a reason why we have
it the same as budgeted last year? Um
well based off your dates um feel
comfortable it's a certain number
of last year.
>> Yeah but we anticipating of you know
collecting
higher number from this year until next
year. So I'm thinking that maybe
something that we would consider
lowering that number
because our exposure is not that
high.
on this.
>> Well, there's two ways to look at it. If
you
raise taxes and the number stays the
same percentage wise, we would increase
it. It's looking if we're going to do
more
collection.
Derek's done the analysis, which I'm
comfortable with putting out there,
doing the foreclosures, other things.
values for properties are it's an area
how do we get people to
pay the taxes
>> well we have seen a trend I mean people
are paying taxes that's why we exceed
our
uh estimates over the last two years we
exceed our
estimates
property tax collection
>> two years ago I think we did last year
was closer drive the estimate.
» So the trend is because people buying
houses, the the property values
increasing, taxes are on paper paying
and we're selling these houses as fast
as we can, putting them back on the tax
rules. So I'm still looking at that
$2.8 million
for something for us to consider. Yeah,
because uh you know
» raising it.
>> No, dropping it
as we collect more taxes the or should
go down.
>> But uh we it's something for us. So that
only
>> the next one I wanted to talk about is
the Canada's um excite tax. Mhm.
>> Do we know how many um stores we have?
>> Seven.
>> We may know.
>> I know.
>> Seven.
>> We found them on the state website's
nine, but two of them central
» seven. So when we when we started we
started with one store in sky and we
see our tax collection was but it was
the first store in the region. So
Minneapolis now
pretty much every municipality has it.
So I mean with seven seven store in
Skynct or five store in Skenctity
$700,000
>> but the trend the revenue per store has
dropped as opposed to what that first
store was.
>> Don't think we have a breakdown of what
the revenue was
added right there.
» And do we get those quarterly quarterly?
Uh so the gun
sometimes
replay
asking for the report.
>> Did somebody ask for a report on this
fine?
>> I was asking Well, we're going to find
the
>> I have it if you want it.
gave us. It's uh it was $32,477
» 302477.38.
Um which means that that at this year to
date it was 35.6%.
>> That's half a year.
>> Yeah. What's the date of your report?
This is October 9th.
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But
if you double that,
>> okay, then we'd be then we'd be okay.
>> Well, we'd be okay. So, I know that we
have seven stores currently, but at what
point in 2025 will those stores open?
That becomes question two because if
they we didn't start 2025 and I don't
think we did that means that there's
going to be more revenue because then in
2026 we'll have a full year
and the one at the harbor I'm sure I
know didn't know wasn't open in January
um crank kids you know they come through
the cliff office taking this so the one
on crank I don't open in January so if
we're calculating
calculate when the store's open, how
much we have. But if we're going in for
a full year next year, we should be
looking at that.
» I just think that different
municipalities in um just brought sales
away from
it may have, but we know what we have
here. So, we can look at what we have.
So, I'm not not the ones that open.
There may be something but we know that
there are seven right now that open
the next one I have franchises I mean I
see $8,000.
Is there a reason why we dropping that
money?
It's something about technology
spectrum.
That's the uh I believe
>> the I'm sorry the what
» I guess
35,000 50,000 what's the whole franchise agreement the higher
level
you know some of it is people are giving
away
» stream
M
>> a lot of that revenue was based on
cable
>> and not internet.
» Okay.
The the next question I have on revenue
is delinquent on parking fee.
I know last year we had discussion with
the police department and raising this
fee and then we also touch on those
outstanding building department tickets
that we hire outside um collection
agency
additional discussion with police
department. Yeah, I um
I'm a little concerned that this is only
$170,000 budget dividend for 2026. I
thought we were going to be more
aggressive towards
here like a couple million dollars that
they were going to do after I know we're
not going to get a long but you know try
to push as far as we can
parking tickets.
Which line is
>> this is a A2610
M delend parking fine. Those were like
the old
8 million $10 million that people don't
exist anymore. They were like some newer
ones that they could say you know we can
take a chance to go China mail ticket
and say been hit by
>> doing those
I had not seen the most recent revenue
>> year to date. I think it's like 120
» 26.
Well, I have to add all these different
there's 26 10 a
M.
» Some of them like one of them
is pretty close to reaching it,
you know, full year.
Yeah, actually a couple of them are
>> Yeah, the recovery effort um year to
date is 122
>> 122,57.25
um
do we need to revisit this effort and
see what's
Maybe it could be help.
What can we do?
Is the agency that this this recovery
agency is not
living up to their expectation? Do we
need to move on to someone else?
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>> Yeah. When we were talking last year
about fee, increasing the fee, it was
one of the the big ticket item
on a little disappointed.
Maybe we need to ramp up the effort with
these billing and quite effective.
I mean we've been discuss
the the next item I have a question with
revenue speed sign and um this is the
camera on the
budgeting $23 million um I think actual
what is our actual police here?
» I think there's activity going on the
cameras
here and there's the bus patrols.
>> Yes. So the speed cameras
>> on the buses
>> they revenue that's coming in.
>> That's the bus patrol safety fines.
>> What is that?
>> Bus patrol patrol safety
>> 26N which was banned. It's it's it's
year to date um 243 47.
» So we're at 40.
>> Yeah. Sorry.
>> We're dropping by I mean estimated
200,000 miles. So we're thinking that
based on trend is going to is going to
lower.
>> All right.
>> That's what's happen when you do the
enforcement.
blacks.
>> That's what I think it is too.
>> That's what I wrote as my note that it
probably was about increased
enforcement.
>> One would hope.
>> My next question on revenue is the um
sale of houses.
>> Let's say we budget 4.5. We're budgeting
563 million.
>> Yeah.
don't think we can do better in that in
terms of ramping up sales and achieving
a higher number of
>> assuming more people are going to pay
their taxes. So, we're going to be doing
less foreclosure.
>> Well, we do have we're going to have
some foreclosures.
>> There's
>> but the ability to make money on the
foreclosures is less because that
federal court case and the change in
state law.
Uh the other component where I budgeted
last year were some of those big ticket
items that are still out there floating
that we're hoping to close still this
year. It's going to be 40
property sale.
But if you don't close those sales in
2025, we're making a little bit 26. We
anticipate that it doesn't happen in
2025 and budget those those high tickets
on
>> kind of like discussion of revenue
40
subject to some litigation.
I
feel more confident that that will get
budgeted in the 25 numbers. That other
property Roderdam has lifted their
uh moratorium on solar deployments.
That's what was going to go in there.
Mhm.
>> And uh
the and the company had the purchase
offer on I think it's been
uh less than aggressive in terms of
closing. I don't know if you've heard
anything recently on it.
>> Well, not recently, but we talked about it um
a while ago
with it. Do you want me to reach out to
them? Well, there was the moratorum was
still in place, right?
>> And they lifted the moratorum. They
still have a permanent process now that
is more restrictive.
So yeah, we haven't reached out. We
should reach out to see if they're
interested or see if there's some other
option for that track.
>> Yeah, this potential revenue that we can
estimate until 2026
uh help us with this budget. That's a major concern for me because
yesterday I'm going to have the plan
foreclosure but I think it's big enough
but you know getting ready and turning
them over and expand our tax base at the
same time selling them and uh making
some money
any questions
>> I just want to say I wouldn't like over
extend the amount that uh you imagine
will come in through foreclosures
like at one point during my time had
three foreclosures running at the same
time. Um some of that was because uh
things were stalled during co
uh and so then one of them was still
going the city couldn't couldn't
foreclose on them at the time and so
time passed as well while they weren't
foreclosed on and so there's a lot more
taxes and interest due on some of those
properties that had just sat for a while
because of the moratorum during co so
that's not going to be the case going
forward we're going
like we just keep running each year and
um all that cleanup work um some of it
was started prior to mine uh corporation council's
office it's just not going to exist
anymore the amount if anything will
probably you know like mayor said it may
actually down from last year I guess the
number
>> so presently in the court you have a set
Do you have it set up for closure in the
court system?
>> Right now we have one pending and then
one that's we're probably going to be
done with pretty soon.
>> What do you mean the whole court
judgement?
>> Yeah, we did the default judgment
already. So we just have to file the
motion for summary judgement and that
will be for the rest of the properties
in that particular foreclosure. So then
we have another one that we started um
recently or earlier this year we filed
the list. So we've been waiting for
title reports that's just about done. So
then we're going to we're going to start
with the redemption periods and
eventually we go we go for the judgments
but the amount due because there's not
that cleanup anymore properties that
were lingering through co isn't going to
be as much because it'll just be a few
years back instead of some of those
properties you know five six years it go
another time you know like when is your
next uh
Um so at this point we are going to
probably in the next month or so we will
uh we'll file we'll send out the uh
commencements the notice of commencement
that begin you start with the list you
do title reports and then you send out
the notice of commencement that sets the
period for redemption. So that'll be you
have to give 6 months by law you still
leave me 3 months so that's also
extending the time. So now they now the
uh people will get 6 months and then
from there we would then anyone who
hasn't paying and a lot of people are
paying right now um because values have
gone up most likely uh that I assume
that's why a lot of people are paying in
the redemption period which wasn't the
case to my understanding in the past.
There'll be so much equity you'll lose
if they don't want to lose it. And then
you see all these people trying to
remain late because the the equity but
in the end
the revenue is going to be what it was
probably.
>> So I'm looking at the estimator here not picking you on anything but uh one
two three we talk about one through the
court another one is filing anticipating
another one. Do you think that we can
achieve all three of that foreclosure by
the end of next year?
>> So, right now there's two. They're worth
it. At one point it is going. Now there
was two, but though one of them we're
going to wrap up the motion might just
have to review it. That one we already
did the default. So we just have to make
the summary judgement. There's like six
or seven properties, not a lot of
properties that that's it for that one.
So then we just have the one that's
coming up. We we're only going to have
one at this point. Mhm.
>> Does that answer your question?
>> One one set
>> one foreclosure.
>> It has to be on the list unless you do
>> um but certainly
you you have you can you have to
forclose at certain time periods. So
that's why multiple especi multiple
going especially because of time
constraints because of I inherited one
and then others it just took time.
>> So are we still waiting on three years
or are we the two years starting?
Um, it's in the city code. I I think
it's either I think it's three years,
>> you know, Derek. I think it's three
years.
>> Residential is different than
commercial.
>> Yeah, residential is three. Commercial
is two.
>> Yes.
>> Um, and anything that's at the time
that's ready soal ready for, you know,
we include on the list.
>> No, I'm trying to guess like
an exact number. We don't
>> I'm going to say okay one to two in the
courts another one is filing we can
achieve all of that until 202
one of them wrapped up the second one is
almost wrapped up
>> and then the third one is basically at
the beginning
>> so all all those foreclosure will be
into 20 potential 2026 sales
>> yes
» I'm asking my question because I'm
looking at that that estim
some of those likely in the 27.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> All right, that's something for us to u
to look at and to
I'm highlighting those kind of stuff um
that we can we can talk about in terms
of revenue.
The other um the one I have is on the
mortgage tax and the reason why I flag
on that property value which is going up
mortgage is going to be higher.
It's not like before we sell out to
$50,000 and we're going to get $500
mortgage back.
>> The numbers are pretty much high now. So
based on that trend I'm looking at I
think we can reconsider that number
based on the house
>> sale that is on page 12 second line
83005
mortgage tax it is something a friend
across and screen is fortunate with the
house for sale
and people buying and buying at a higher
and you know competitive price of a
building driving up the taxes says the
mortgage facts
» and a trend in interest rates going to
continue down in the near future.
>> Near future.
>> So
I don't know if it's going to drop
enough so you're going to see
refinancing
but you will see some revenue for that.
>> Yes. So if you want to review it, we're
more than that.
>> Yeah, I can say because I was looking at
the trend in terms of the salivity. I
looked at the the report coming in a lot
of a lot of houses are being 300,000ish
>> more than that. So with that particular
mortgage obviously the mortgage tax is
going up.
>> Yeah. So something that beneficial to
us. So that's a line making um frequency
that I think that I'm already
and that's it. That's what I have for
revenue. I mean anybody else have um go
ahead please question revenue. Um do we
increase our total search charge like
the fees for people that we do that
>> what line? Um A1789
page 9.
» Well, yeah, right now I'm just looking
at the sign
contract agreements and renegotiating.
>> Okay. That based on the contract, not
based on what it cost.
So, so the circuit is going to be fast
for long. Is that
>> Well, yeah. I'm just It's doubling.
>> It's It's doubling. That's pretty
significant. Um,
and I was just wondering why that is.
You're saying that we're renegotiating
to contract right now.
>> Not right now. That's what the police
department is looking to do future
» in the future. 26
When would that happen in 26? Because I
mean it's a double bid when contract
negotiated.
Do you know when that negotiation
happened?
>> I don't know that timeline.
>> Could you give us that information?
>> That would be chief
>> chief or chief clifford to come back
to give you the theory behind that
number.
I mean or you know I don't know if they
could they could just shoot an email too
if they want to not have to
» I'm sure they look forward to
any time to spend time with us
looking for company
would like to discuss the details of
contract negotiations related to the
agreement we could go into executive
>> okay
Sorry.
» In the morning. So if you have any legal
questions, I can answer that.
>> Yes.
>> One more.
>> Next question I have is CDBG revenue.
>> Me too. That was going to be my
favorite.
>> How how do we get comfortable with CD CD
CDP revenue?
Does it always have to be outside of the
budget inside
or unlock? It's a separate grant that
comes in and there's two aspects of it.
What do we use internally for city
operations and what do we award to
community groups, other projects or
other vendors?
» Some of this
>> Yeah. Yeah. Page 10 page 10. Yes. But
that's all that is um
>> accounted for here. That's all the
revenue whatever the city received.
>> Yeah. That align with sports development
staff.
>> Yeah. SNAP finance development for
>> revenue lines and then one is completely
removed this year.
>> I think it was we had budgeted last
year. estimates. Sorry, estimated last
year was
some of that's new to clean out uh
foreclosures
and
the departments did not cross build it.
So, there's surplus in that account. So,
we're looking for the round of
foreclosure to use that to
clean out the houses
and
Alison's going to put together
some more contractors that would benefit
from that.
>> So, the cleaning up these properties,
it would be um contracted out.
Yeah, it's a good people.
They don't know our new garbage fees and
they don't want the stickers and they
leave a lot of stuff in the houses. So,
we have to clean them out.
» Some days to make the house more
attractive. Unfortunately, under the
rules we work under, they will sell for
more, but we won't necessarily reap the
benefits of it.
Well, and this is going back to our
discussion over the years in terms of
documenting all across and that is still
being tracked across
>> police, fire,
>> os,
department.
So I mean it is something that we talk
about in terms of tracking our cost. So
sometimes I'm kind of like worried about
if we can track the cost and the time
that we have spent through all the work
associated with this battery life. I
think we might break even if someone to
know to come and say well we have x
amount of money but I hope that that is
tracked and preserved
for future
>> doing a very good job because I want to
get every dollar we can out of the
sales.
>> Exactly. And because we do not want to
give back,
>> our hearing date is zero on both those
lines on a safe.
» Well, I was wondering about that also.
Um,
>> why is that?
» That would be development question. Why
it's not being drawn down?
» Can you can you find it for us, please?
Wasn't
>> as a followup question.
>> Wasn't this and I'm could be wrong.
Wasn't this like in a different
department at one point?
>> Maybe this is movable to development.
No,
>> no, this this is always
>> No, not okay.
>> The money
but different department like finance
gets paid some staff.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
is that real.
» Thank you.
>> Mayor, we currently have someone who's
uh we consult to to give us the
estimate. Is that still on?
>> Estimate is for
>> to to list the property.
So, it is still done in house
outside the county director.
You're still on the homes thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Instead of CDBG.
>> CDBG. Yeah. CDBG.
>> Yeah. Cuz that's if we don't get that
revenue.
>> I thought it was something before us in
terms of um hiring someone to help us
with estimating some
different things. Yeah.
>> Then put something out.
Okay. Okay.
» Okay.
All right.
I'm looking at everybody there. So, I'm
going to I think we should the
>> one last simple question. No, go ahead.
There's one last general question around
>> I see like like so
kind in line with the CBG money. It's
like I see the grants showing up like
for like the police
>> but um in other So are all of our grants
reported are we reporting all our grants
as revenue or is it just we're putting
grants as revenues that we can like use
and pull down funds to fund a position?
Like I'm just wondering like is there a
distinction that's being made and like
where would some of that other grant
money cuz I know that there's more grant
money coming into the city than this and
what this reflects.
>> Um I think it's a majority though it
depends. Um you see there's new grants
that the police are showing within
Strive. So there's some that may trickle
in that are not reported in here but
they come in throughout the year.
>> Mhm.
>> Um so they might not be shown within the
post budget.
>> So I mean most of those are
unless you have a specific question on
those are kind of the reoccurring ones.
When we get a new grant it's yes we want
to get it but it's not like
>> it's all revenue. There's an expense
associated with it. So you're going to
lose the incoming money to pay for
something.
>> Certainly.
>> And that's, you know,
we apply for a lot of grants. They can't
accept a grant until we go back to the
city council and uh make a budget
amendment to
formally take it.
>> I guess let me direct
that. Is that are you confident that all
the grants that we're receiving are
showing the mass revenue in this report?
That's a side of the question.
>> Pretty confident and discussion with the
police department. Very confident as
well on the grass.
>> I wasn't just talking about the police
department.
>> Um so Mr. I did ask for and they did
send and I thought we all had it that
asking for all the grants that they had
um and how much it would go into 25
would go into 26. And generally
speaking, when they um send when they
present sort of the grant before
submission is going to go to staffing.
So I think that's where a lot of it
shows up. Um I guess we can get the
breakdown. I know we have every time we
get grant, but if you want a breakdown
of how much like actually goes into
staffing and then goes into this budget
or other places in the budget. Is that
what you're asking? No, I guess a more a
broader question around like how are we
making the distinction of what shows up
in grand funding as revenue or not. So
that's what I was trying to figure out
here. Yeah. And that question bigger
money,
you know, the big chunks of money. So it
also goes to what you determine to do
with the fund balance is most of those
grants there's none of them just give us
the money
>> right we have to
>> expend the money and then get reimbursed
>> most of the state government some of the
federal
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Sorry.
Are we anticipating any surplus on from
CDP?
» What else?
>> I know that's that's a lot.
>> I hope everybody looks up to exactly
what the contract is. The reality is
it's always a little bit of variance
there where one's a little under the
one's a little bit over.
But do you have specifics or
>> No, it was just a broad statement
interpret. I was just looking at if this
can be put into maybe stop stop and
remember in those categories there's
caps in terms of the public service and
other things. So if
There is a grant in one of the lines.
More than likely, we have to been
expended on a similar type of program
either within that agency or a similar
agency
like youth programs for example.
social because revenue revenue is what's
going to drive
>> everything here and if we can address
all the all the expenditure but if we
don't address the revenue we're nowhere
so one has to learn us out the other
thing I want to talk about this I had a
conversation I was asking a question to
the
in terms of the aggressive approach and
amusing officers and less speed time 3
to 7. They're kind of doing the what
they call the license plate readers
scanning people without standing parking
ticket or people in the parking wrong
side and things like that in the morning
now when they rush for a call and
they've been generating some pretty good
6 to9 $69,000 for 4 hour detail with
three and three offices working.
>> Yes.
>> So I have to commend them for this. And
>> that's some of the technology the other
>> this was shared to this was shared to
everyone.
>> No
>> I did I don't think so.
>> I don't think so.
>> I am going to share it. Um we can bring in stuff to talk about
the uh the recovery
either tomorrow or Wednesday
just
to kind of give us a brief on where it
stands on what uh what different
approach we can take in terms of this
recovery. But um I have to say that I
mean additional revenue is coming in
there really. So you multiply this
$69,000 survey for 6 days a week over
365 days. So we have to look at what
they're doing here in terms of the line
for the
>> the fines parking.
>> So that is something here we have
$900,000 budgeted there. I mean and they
continue by this aggressive approach. So
the people who are not paying their ticket which which we are doing
here in I think we should look at the
numbers
uh adjust
» I'm just always pretty cautious about
you know I don't want to over um
estimate revenue.
>> Well it's an estimate.
of hoping that we can
achieve it and that's what that's what
>> that one sounds really reasonable
>> but anyone that you want to review more
happy review it some of these estimates
were put in
>> in June July so we have
>> 60 days more information terms of
collections and some of them hopefully
they're all going up for revenue times
that's not always the case
>> we always hope it's an estimate how many
adjustable D we achieve it. Um if we
don't achieve it then we make amends and
then we move things around in the
future.
>> I think we just each department has to
continue to drive that to you know
revenue
police department uh is doing it
expand more in terms of collection
across the board.
Any other questions?
See none, we can reconvene tomorrow 5:30
right here room 1.
So the expectations for tomorrow's
meeting is that finally like announce
and start to put figures in place.
a few more meetings and we have that
meeting
tomorrow. I'll adjust some things from
here.
Sorry.
>> Will we do that?
>> I encourage everyone please come to the
table. There's nothing.
Ask questions, make suggestion. We we
need to to identify revenue and how we
can outset the cost as we look to be
flexible and achieve something. The goal
is to to have a budget this week. So
let's just come to the table. Let's be
flexible as well and ask question.
Please reach out to the mayor.
Reach out to me and let's have your
question. Have your subject on the
table.
open to recess 5:30 tomorrow afternoon.
>> So much.
>> All in favor? I thank you.
» Hey, this was
scary.
I I can't because it was sent
to
Can I give you this back?
>> Thank you very much.
What? Oh,
Hey, hey.
hey.
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