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[32:34] I wonder.
[32:42] [Music]
[32:55] a topic around discrimination, violence,
[32:58] racism. People feel attacked
[33:01] and operate from that capacity to
[38:49] We asked the commission of finance to
[38:51] kind of explain us in terms of the the
[38:54] process um that is required if we were
[38:56] to exceed the tax cap and he refer us to
[39:00] the law department
[39:04] for what exactly we as council if we
[39:07] were to proceed to vote on this budget
[39:10] as
[39:12] what is what it requires from the
[39:14] council to follow.
[39:16] >> Um so assistant corporation council
[39:19] Brian asked that this conversation
[39:22] happen on Wednesday when he'll be
[39:24] covering the meeting but I can tell you
[39:26] generally that
[39:28] the city council would need to pass a
[39:31] local law
[39:34] tax levy limit. We have a copy of that
[39:36] in the packet of what that would look
[39:39] like.
[39:41] Um
[39:42] There would need to be a super majority
[39:45] uh but this would have to be passed
[39:48] the local this local law
[39:50] I believe by super majority um and then
[39:54] yeah
[39:56] and then the council would also
[39:59] separately have to um
[40:03] pass the budget by supermajority. So
[40:06] five are required for vote in order to
[40:10] um in order to pass the budget with the
[40:14] tax increase.
[40:19] Go ahead.
[40:20] >> So if we to pass the budget without
[40:24] receiving the tax then it's just for
[40:29] » I'm sorry. Which packet is this? Um was
[40:32] this something that we had?
[40:33] >> This the one I just
[40:34] >> Oh get it. I think maybe when I was out
[40:37] of the room. Maybe when I was out of the
[40:38] room.
[40:40] >> Gotcha. Thank you.
[40:44] » Regarding this uh the process
[40:50] for that next
[40:58] um we can go through it in more detail.
[41:01] Um I'll tell you from a high level.
[41:04] This is uh the example of what the um
[41:10] of what the local law would look like.
[41:12] It would have to sit on the table for 7
[41:14] days just like any local law. Um so
[41:17] there's there's a process to it. Um and
[41:20] he's um he would he asked that he uh
[41:25] discuss it with you. Um but from a high
[41:27] level supermajority the council passes
[41:30] this local law. it goes through a local
[41:33] law process. Council would also need to
[41:36] again by super majority pass the budget
[41:40] uh in order to have that level of
[41:42] increase. Um it said so it said that the
[41:46] mayor can um a mayoral message of
[41:49] necessity to avoid the 7-day waiting
[41:51] period between induct
[41:54] local law. So the mayor can
[41:57] necessity
[41:59] 7-day waiting period.
[42:00] >> Correct.
[42:02] Yeah.
[42:04] So again,
[42:05] assistant corporation council O'Brien
[42:07] asked that he be able to go over this
[42:10] process with you. So I'm happy to with
[42:13] you, but he has all of the details
[42:14] because he's the one who's done all the
[42:16] research. He's fill out the work in the
[42:18] office and he's been honest.
[42:22] >> You're saying Wednesday. We're meeting
[42:24] tomorrow. Is he not available?
[42:25] >> He's not available tomorrow.
[42:30] Sorry. Yeah.
[42:32] >> But I mean if you have more questions
[42:34] you can certainly ask me.
[42:37] >> Are there any question regarding the tax
[42:39] on the requirement? Okay. The next
[42:42] question ask
[42:46] if
[42:48] this is the commission.
[42:51] If we um decide not to
[42:56] go over the tax cap, what would that
[42:59] have cost us in terms of dollar amounts
[43:02] against his budget tonight? You said
[43:05] that to me in the email.
[43:07] >> Yeah, I think so. We talked about I
[43:10] never received that email.
[43:13] We have to buy approximately five to6
[43:15] million to fun
[43:20] » give or take.
[43:24] » We have to reduce our we have to
[43:29] >> we have to reduce more like $6 million
[43:34] >> or
[43:37] they override tax either you override
[43:40] it.
[43:41] >> No, that's not what I'm asking.
[43:43] So if we have enough money, we don't
[43:45] have to worry about
[43:47] >> that. That's what I said.
[43:52] » Okay. No, I just want to leave that to
[43:54] the table. So know where we stand in
[43:55] terms of if we work through it. We're
[43:58] not going to override the tax gap. We
[43:59] need $6 million on the high end.
[44:03] All right. So we'll go into questions to
[44:06] make sure that we address all the
[44:08] questions. Then we can start with the
[44:10] first package.
[44:15] D one of the question I asked when we
[44:17] were talking briefly on events is that
[44:19] but I told you we can go tomorrow.
[44:22] What is the the insurance estimates?
[44:25] >> Um so I can find it tonight
[44:31] from
[44:34] Brown. Uh we as of September 2025
[44:41] goes through the nitty-gritty of what
[44:43] was initially anticipated.
[44:46] Um
[44:48] and as we discussed earlier my general
[44:50] high level review
[44:53] approximately $19 million for MVP um
[44:56] with our
[44:58] um and other proactive steps so we can
[45:00] spend another $17 million on the budget.
[45:04] Do you have more?
[45:09] [Music]
[45:18] » Well, sorry. Uh, can you just recap that
[45:21] what you were explaining?
[45:22] >> Yeah, of course. So, this is from our
[45:24] consultant that I work with um self
[45:27] short plan. Um we meet with her
[45:30] approximately a record to go over um the
[45:33] extensions uh what's projected. Um as
[45:36] you can see on page three it was
[45:38] expected of the 26
[45:40] million.
[45:42] Then if you continue to go through each
[45:44] page there's um showing indications of
[45:48] changes increases um for example
[45:52] loss risk of mitigation factor uh trends
[45:55] for medical and pharmacy
[45:59] and other miscellaneous
[46:01] trends as well that are added to that
[46:04] open um go into more um more detail
[46:11] premium rates
[46:13] uh premiered scenarios.
[46:17] Um but if there's any questions um
[46:19] regarding this packet, please let me
[46:21] know.
[46:41] Thank you for providing this. Um
[46:46] are there any question regarding this? I have to go through it because I can't just if I have question I email
[46:52] it to you. But if any members have any
[46:55] question um
[46:57] can be addressed now or you can follow
[46:59] up with an email to uh direct
[47:03] and see
[47:10] we did address the local law and in the
[47:12] state package there is a draft
[47:15] resolution
[47:17] that we pass tonight. We have the
[47:20] resolution here. We just need to write
[47:21] the number.
[47:23] They're looking at me.
[47:26] So the next um
[47:36] » can I ask one question? Can
[47:38] >> you just tell me what stop losses? I
[47:40] probably should know. What is stop loss
[47:42] premium?
[47:43] >> High cost claimment. We picked a number
[47:47] that limits our loss. So when they have
[47:51] a catastrophic event or medical bills
[47:53] that go
[47:55] hundreds of thousands of dollars, that
[47:58] insurance policy picks it up, limits our
[48:01] losses.
[48:04] The problem is we have some employees
[48:07] who are on maintenance drugs and so the
[48:10] stop loss policy will effectively stock
[48:14] up for one year
[48:17] going into the second year in future
[48:20] then we become liable for that whole
[48:22] amount. That's one of the factors that's
[48:24] driving up our cost for healthcare.
[48:31] on the the next page. This one here at
[48:34] the back have we can go through this in
[48:39] terms of here.
[48:44] If there's anything that um
[48:48] Mr. Williams you need to um address, let
[48:52] us know. If there question that answer,
[48:55] let us know and we can make notes and
[48:58] get answers for you.
[49:05] Go ahead, please.
[49:06] >> There was one thing I did ask.
[49:10] Um, so my specific question what was fun
[49:14] down
[49:20] before, but you give a little bit more
[49:22] detail on that. Um I don't believe from
[49:25] the research that I've done um document
[49:32] the policy that the city has council has
[49:35] to work with the commissioner finance
[49:39] other departments to
[49:40] >> city council's the policy making set the
[49:43] policy for
[49:46] balance or other
[49:49] >> but generally minister council like
[49:50] adopt them would have been one place
[49:52] long for this council came about. So I
[49:54] just that's why I was asking to get
[49:56] through policy if we need to develop
[49:58] them then that's certainly something you
[49:59] could do but generally municipalities
[50:02] adopt them but I was just asking what
[50:04] Alex was
[50:08] and um you know accent that we can
[50:11] certainly look at what the comproller
[50:12] would recommend in terms of our fund
[50:14] balance because I think frankly we may
[50:17] have to go in more into our fund balance
[50:18] than we thought we would. So what does
[50:20] you know what does the fund balance look
[50:23] like? We should take a look at that and
[50:24] >> reasonable is approximately between 15
[50:26] and 1% of the operating
[50:29] >> 15 20%.
[50:32] Um if you look at our numbers on
[50:33] assigned funds that's way
[50:36] >> well um again you know I'll look at what
[50:39] the recommend we don't have our own but
[50:40] the recommendations um
[50:43] come out of the controller's office and
[50:45] so we can take a look at that
[50:50] since we're on that page that you as
[50:52] question is follow question on the very
[50:54] same
[50:57] page
[50:58] one this not it's on the next item Gley
[51:02] 54
[51:06] M port you can complete the question so
[51:08] that we can go on to the next
[51:10] >> where you can
[51:11] >> you talk about a second attachment um
[51:13] regarding outside council
[51:16] >> and then the breakdown of the smart city
[51:18] fund and your transport as requested we
[51:21] didn't get to that as
[51:24] >> we did touch on a tax sketch so do you
[51:26] want to
[51:27] >> I mean he's provided the answer there in
[51:29] front of what expenditures. So um just
[51:33] further clarify this is what we spend
[51:36] year to date and there are no
[51:38] outstanding bills except the 8,000
[51:40] something that we have to pay to outside
[51:42] council.
[51:47] Yeah, I've
[51:49] >> So,
[51:51] yes, for the year to date as a 1020,
[51:54] there's 75,000 actual
[52:02] back year,000.
[52:04] >> I couldn't hear commissioner, could you
[52:05] repeat that?
[52:08] >> The question was the year too big for
[52:09] outside council. So, um Mr. to Google
[52:12] months about $75,685
[52:15] and about um that's expenditure to date
[52:19] and then about um 3,800 in requisitions
[52:23] meaning outstanding um bills that have
[52:26] not been paid or been work within the
[52:28] law department that has not been sent
[52:30] down to the finance to be paid.
[52:35] Um,
[52:37] does that account for
[52:40] >> record?
[52:46] » Yeah. So, I would I would defer to the
[52:48] numbers that finance has
[52:54] a billion and some of it's ongoing. That
[52:57] means you don't build it until they're
[52:58] finished doing all the work. We don't
[53:00] build
[53:01] >> they don't build us until doing some
[53:03] work. Go ahead.
[53:05] >> I outside council
[53:08] with the
[53:10] firefight engineer
[53:13] on
[53:16] that process.
[53:18] >> And we have a ballpark on this. And will
[53:20] that be complete by the end of this
[53:21] year?
[53:25] » I would hope so. I don't think so.
[53:28] >> Oh, okay.
[53:30] So, do we have where we are right now? I
[53:33] mean I know it's available hours etc. Do
[53:35] you have any ballpark of where we are
[53:36] right now
[53:38] >> in terms of
[53:40] >> yeah whether
[53:42] or whenever it's finished
[53:44] >> I don't have those numbers
[53:50] and you have to go back in executive
[53:52] session
[53:53] the details of the contract.
[53:59] » Thank you.
[54:01] also um very important.
[54:03] >> Yeah. Continue with your question.
[54:05] >> The other one was a breakdown of smart
[54:09] cities and he did show us what was aid
[54:12] um with their categories uh in time to
[54:15] have Mr. Bio kind of gave us exactly
[54:19] what they expected
[54:21] that available available. We have to do
[54:25] a deep dive
[54:29] from the company. Uh that is
[54:33] um might take some time.
[54:37] >> And so right now available
[54:41] >> um 137's available.
[54:47] » I'm not.
[54:52] So can I just interpret that? So 137
[54:56] would be is left un un uh spent
[55:02] >> correct
[55:02] >> and the other 125 126 really has been
[55:06] spent. We just haven't Yeah. Okay. Just
[55:08] wanted to
[55:10] >> million6 grants in the pipeline require
[55:13] some local funding to match it.
[55:16] >> Oh okay.
[55:18] M m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
[55:18] matching funds with 1.5.
[55:21] There are things to support that grant.
[55:23] Yes.
[55:26] >> Yes. So we've been you know we allocated
[55:28] 2 million 17 million 18 million 19 2
[55:32] million 21 and so we spent according to
[55:36] this we spent most of it and that's what
[55:39] we had left
[55:43] that line
[55:48] and I I think my final question was
[55:50] about the process for over tag which
[55:53] barrage address and folk with the vote
[55:57] into that on Wednesday.
[56:02] » Did you understand the uh the fun
[56:05] portion of the assigned fines open?
[56:11] » Sure.
[56:17] » Um so that's on side conversation. Um I
[56:21] asked Mr. He sent it to all of us for
[56:24] what the open and poss were and um they
[56:27] find out all what he all what he
[56:29] outlined in the overview he did send
[56:31] that
[56:33] I do have a couple more questions you
[56:35] cannot prepare to answer um to answer
[56:37] them right now Mr. M has a couple
[56:39] questions about that.
[56:40] >> Okay.
[56:44] So M I have the sheet here this one the
[56:47] screen
[56:49] this has some recommendation also we
[56:51] need to put this we need to come back to
[56:54] this sheet confirm your recommendation
[56:56] don't put this away please put this on
[56:59] the side
[57:02] the next you will see the sheet regards
[57:04] of vacancies and the new fill and the
[57:07] 2020 budget I did ask for approval of
[57:10] that so that we accordingly
[57:14] for the current vacancies
[57:17] in the agenda was removed and a
[57:20] recommendation to the new phase.
[57:23] This will be on this page.
[57:26] Mhm.
[57:34] » And if you have any question ask
[57:37] more of the guidance.
[58:11] So um on a high level here we're moving
[58:13] 12 adding
[58:20] [Music]
[58:23] 89.
[58:26] >> Correct.
[58:28] >> So, six seven.
[58:30] >> But then on the bottom section here,
[58:32] vacancies. So, you have 2 4 6 eight
[58:34] vacancies.
[58:36] And then the top section we were moving
[58:38] the bottom section we are budgeting it
[58:40] into 2026
[58:42] the vacant position and then this year
[58:44] she's a new uh new position that
[58:48] proposed the first portion of the uh
[58:51] making decisions uh has been removed
[58:57] and then the bottom section has
[59:00] additions that are vacant but are still
[59:02] budgeted within
[59:04] budget.
[59:07] Go ahead. But
[59:08] >> and I just want to point out that one of
[59:09] them is already grant funded. So it's
[59:11] not
[59:14] >> that's why I asked the report for us to
[59:15] see the table say they have
[59:19] new position they position we need to
[59:22] identify what are these position
[59:26] so you
[59:29] transfer we have the sheet here.
[59:31] >> Yeah.
[59:32] >> Any question on that? So these buzzer
[59:34] transfers are just this is just year to
[59:36] date that one.
[59:38] >> So
[59:40] that
[59:49] starts off you look at the columns and
[59:52] the accounts
[59:53] that are encumbered into
[59:56] five and then this is year date
[59:59] transfers for 2025. Um, and that kind of
[1:00:12] » Are we looking at this one right now?
[1:00:14] >> Yeah.
[1:00:25] » Any question regard?
[1:00:26] >> Yes. September
[1:00:29] from both NPOS.
[1:00:32] Um
[1:00:33] >> so no it's all
[1:00:36] the transfers are separate from the
[1:00:41] for
[1:00:43] planning or
[1:00:46] the process in purchasing
[1:00:50] year usually they're enduring
[1:00:54] the next year the transfers are executed
[1:00:57] transfers within the line items
[1:01:02] So I guess I was trying to figure out
[1:01:06] how bit better understanding to how kind
[1:01:09] like money moves within departments um
[1:01:11] for like um I think what promptly gets
[1:01:14] questioned when we looking at our police
[1:01:16] overtime they were there's a significant
[1:01:20] um proposal cut from last year um and
[1:01:25] chief uh didn't seem didn't really feel
[1:01:28] like that was going to be the adequate
[1:01:31] number. Um, and I know that there's talk
[1:01:34] around that and every year we feel that
[1:01:36] we have what we need for our first
[1:01:37] responders. So, I was trying to figure
[1:01:39] out
[1:01:43] how do we
[1:01:45] find the money every year to um
[1:01:49] overtime. I want to ask you a question
[1:01:51] maybe in a different way. Well, we
[1:01:53] transfer money from one
[1:01:56] position, lack of better terms, from
[1:01:58] another. So, so I think it's kind of
[1:02:01] like I was trying to get last year's
[1:02:04] transfers like and I believe the I think
[1:02:06] I last couple years, but maybe last
[1:02:09] year's transfer so I could like we can
[1:02:11] kind of read like what the themes are on
[1:02:13] what spaces are.
[1:02:16] Now, you put some overtime here. We're
[1:02:19] over our budget overtime. said that they
[1:02:21] reach out to you and sometimes they
[1:02:23] transfer. So that was the information I
[1:02:24] was looking for
[1:02:27] but typically um
[1:02:30] transfers into salary line
[1:02:41] and over time and premium. So usually
[1:02:44] we'll find where you see for example
[1:02:48] people come in the department
[1:02:51] contract
[1:02:55] last contract
[1:02:58] within their salary and all the time
[1:02:59] lines.
[1:03:02] >> Okay. So the so the information here
[1:03:05] right now wouldn't really necessarily
[1:03:07] answer that question. Right.
[1:03:10] >> Right. Do you have to look at as much um
[1:03:14] their contracts? Um
[1:03:15] >> well I mean this again this wasn't just
[1:03:17] for police. I used police as an example.
[1:03:19] It could be for anyone in any department
[1:03:21] >> but for any for any um unions uh for any
[1:03:24] department the salary lines or lines all
[1:03:26] contractual.
[1:03:31] » Okay. So I guess I'm so we could we
[1:03:34] could circle back to that for the
[1:03:36] information I'm trying to get is what
[1:03:38] are what transfers
[1:03:41] happen
[1:03:43] within the city from from one line to
[1:03:47] another over the last couple years cuz
[1:03:49] I'm trying to identify where themes are
[1:03:51] coming because sometimes it feels like
[1:03:53] you know thinking to talk about this
[1:03:57] you know maybe there's open positions
[1:03:59] that were kind of leaving Vietnam as a
[1:04:02] way, you know, to hopefully fill them.
[1:04:04] But when they're not filled, we use that
[1:04:07] money as a fund to fund other things.
[1:04:10] And I think for me and for everyone um
[1:04:14] that's paying attention to this, I think
[1:04:16] it would it would be good to have the
[1:04:17] information. I think it provides a much
[1:04:19] clearer thing to say, hey, we're asking
[1:04:21] for this in our department. We haven't
[1:04:24] maybe used these bills in the last two to three years. We have
[1:04:29] pulled some of these open positions to
[1:04:31] fund this. That's the best information
[1:04:33] I'm looking for
[1:04:36] and that this won't provide that right
[1:04:38] now. So, we can just um we'll work
[1:04:41] together and necessary information.
[1:04:44] Thank you.
[1:04:45] >> So, do you want to follow up with
[1:04:50] » Mhm.
[1:04:51] >> So, we as
[1:04:53] finished follow make a note of it follow
[1:04:57] up. So you'll kind of go through all the
[1:04:59] things that are in the unfinished pile
[1:05:01] before we leave, right?
[1:05:03] >> Yeah, that's I'm moving. Yes, that's
[1:05:05] good. And anything that we need to
[1:05:06] follow up, we'll do. Anything that we
[1:05:07] need to complete the question and answer
[1:05:11] goes on different path. Uh Mr. Farley,
[1:05:13] you had another question regarding um
[1:05:15] you asked for report detailed
[1:05:16] information on golf course revenue that
[1:05:20] can be tracked for future capital
[1:05:21] project.
[1:05:24] No, but I but I no I didn't receive that information. So what I again what I
[1:05:30] was looking for is in the course of our
[1:05:32] conversation it seemed like course
[1:05:33] unfunded there um that uh I believe it
[1:05:37] was Mr. Rolling was saying that we're
[1:05:39] trying to get the golf course to a point
[1:05:41] where it's self-sufficient and
[1:05:42] discriminating and black. One mechanism
[1:05:44] to do that is taking um revenue and the
[1:05:48] revenue goes back into the general fund.
[1:05:51] However, when we looking at our capital
[1:05:53] project, we're borrowing that government
[1:05:55] to do to do the project, but it could be
[1:05:57] budget.
[1:05:58] >> We're not budgeting off um capital
[1:06:02] reserves.
[1:06:04] >> Okay, I help you understand that. So,
[1:06:05] >> so they they make enough money where we
[1:06:08] put into their fund balance where we
[1:06:11] don't have to borrow from any of their
[1:06:12] capitals,
[1:06:14] >> right? So, any of the capital requests
[1:06:16] that we're making, it's they're they're
[1:06:18] make we're pulling that from the funds
[1:06:20] that they're bringing in. Correct.
[1:06:22] >> Right. Okay. Yeah, that's Well, yeah.
[1:06:25] And we already capital information as
[1:06:26] far as what the revenue is.
[1:06:28] >> Yeah. So, if you if you look at the
[1:06:30] capital expenditures at the year at the
[1:06:32] end of the budget, you see that the line
[1:06:35] that says uh reserve funds captures
[1:06:40] for each section.
[1:06:41] >> Certainly. Okay. Yeah, that that was
[1:06:42] information that that was I was looking
[1:06:44] for. Thank you.
[1:06:45] >> Can I
[1:06:47] before you So, you need to follow up on
[1:06:49] this to get this report. Um, no, no, no, If the information is there, I think
[1:06:52] I can I can strap it for what we got.
[1:06:55] >> 24 are
[1:06:59] locked in the 25s. Again, that's one of
[1:07:03] the things that's very dependent on
[1:07:05] weather.
[1:07:05] >> Sure.
[1:07:06] >> So, we've run, you know, they upgrade
[1:07:09] the courses. Wonderful. Fantastic. We
[1:07:12] had a terrible spring
[1:07:14] >> and so we're still playing catchup to
[1:07:16] get to the 24 numbers and 25.
[1:07:20] >> I keep our fingers crossed that we're
[1:07:22] going to
[1:07:23] >> equal that. And if you could tell me
[1:07:25] what the weather's going to be in 26,
[1:07:27] I'll go back and modify the budget to
[1:07:30] accommodate
[1:07:32] >> I can tell you that wouldn't be here.
[1:07:35] >> But definitely uh Okay. Yeah. So what
[1:07:37] because my thought is uh for that is
[1:07:40] that if we can I mean with the variable
[1:07:42] the weather seems to be a pretty large
[1:07:44] variable um within consideration of that
[1:07:48] >> um looking at okay what would be the
[1:07:51] anticipated uh revenue I think that
[1:07:54] >> looking at that revenue again to support
[1:07:56] um the the youth services line on that's
[1:08:00] the trail I'm looking to go down that's
[1:08:02] request
[1:08:06] This is part of your
[1:08:10] followup question in terms of um in
[1:08:13] terms of the funding that you were
[1:08:14] trying
[1:08:16] at all in terms of the fee any special
[1:08:19] fee increase
[1:08:20] >> to offset the some sort of sort of
[1:08:23] mentioning back on your viewing.
[1:08:25] >> Well certainly I think but after the
[1:08:27] conversation I I was thinking a couple
[1:08:30] different things and we could look at
[1:08:32] the increase of of of service fee.
[1:08:35] think that that's doable, but also
[1:08:37] looking at the what's what's existing um
[1:08:40] and maybe uh prioritizing that money to
[1:08:43] support the youth service line
[1:08:46] >> even if we didn't.
[1:08:47] >> Um so I just wanted to say cuz I was
[1:08:49] looking at Mr. Farlay's question um that
[1:08:53] the course is fully self-sufficient. So,
[1:08:55] I just wanted to clarify that because
[1:08:57] this said that you wanted to make sure
[1:08:59] that we were able to move the course
[1:09:00] toward full self-sufficiency, but it is
[1:09:03] actually um fully self-sufficient and
[1:09:06] actually generating revenue uh for the city. And then I do have a
[1:09:10] couple of ideas that I haven't had a
[1:09:12] chance to share with you um around the
[1:09:15] $150,000 that I will share with you um
[1:09:18] that wouldn't affect this budget. That
[1:09:21] would be other requests that maybe we
[1:09:23] could make to others.
[1:09:25] um around that 150,000.
[1:09:27] >> Yeah. And I and so yeah, I look like
[1:09:30] having those conversations with you. I
[1:09:32] what I was saying is that I recognize
[1:09:35] that it is self self-sufficient. Mr.
[1:09:37] Robin was saying that the process that
[1:09:39] happens right now is is to make sure
[1:09:44] that that the golf course the golf
[1:09:46] course stays in the black and to support
[1:09:48] their own capital projects. Um and my
[1:09:52] I'm just a thought after you know we put
[1:09:55] we made quite a significant uh
[1:09:58] investment in the golf course from ARPA
[1:10:00] funds um to justify you know what could
[1:10:04] result in a re rate increase and or
[1:10:07] maybe re rep prioritizing some of that
[1:10:09] money that's existing to support the
[1:10:11] youth services line.
[1:10:15] >> Thank you Mr.
[1:10:16] >> Any other questions? So after this mark
[1:10:19] is done, Mr. Farley um
[1:10:22] >> or you just want to follow up and put
[1:10:23] >> Well, I mean I got the I got the
[1:10:25] information we'll just explore some
[1:10:26] ideas and what we can do. Thank you.
[1:10:28] >> Okay. Y
[1:10:29] >> All right. So the next document I have
[1:10:31] is work is consider
[1:10:44] behind that was um how
[1:10:49] Police
[1:10:51] condition
[1:10:56] saying that
[1:11:00] um based on this document there claims
[1:11:04] throughout the city
[1:11:06] believe that it might be with people
[1:11:09] sometimes functioning out of their
[1:11:10] immediate scope. So I think we can think
[1:11:13] back to how the medios are defined and
[1:11:17] method just with the general catch all
[1:11:19] of the certification
[1:11:24] or operating certain machinery but just
[1:11:26] because you need one you can use
[1:11:30] and see does that mean you are expected
[1:11:32] to jump in between all the expectations.
[1:11:35] So we wanted to have presentation to
[1:11:38] have a specific department that each
[1:11:40] person is attributed to um with the
[1:11:42] hopes to keep this number down or
[1:11:45] identify what's the cost because I I
[1:11:48] find it hard to believe that individual
[1:11:50] products one of our waste apparatuses
[1:11:54] day in and day out some of the um that
[1:11:58] we see which I know is an executive
[1:11:59] session seem like they are avoidable
[1:12:02] instances that due to lasting
[1:12:12] That is something that we can discuss as
[1:12:14] a console committee session and we have
[1:12:16] to do an executive session and we still
[1:12:18] do it and follow and talk about policies
[1:12:21] and things that bring in commission or
[1:12:25] GS commission to discuss further in
[1:12:27] terms of
[1:12:29] any concern
[1:12:30] >> not the policy though but how they're
[1:12:31] identify I think that has value in our
[1:12:34] discussion for budget.
[1:12:37] >> What you mean discuss put it in the
[1:12:39] budget in terms of the the expected um
[1:12:42] outcome.
[1:12:42] >> So your MO and SNAP doesn't mean you
[1:12:45] know subtle NOS like I'm using this to
[1:12:49] justify there are differences
[1:12:51] >> and even if you are pulled from one
[1:12:53] that's fair but I think understanding
[1:12:55] where you're pulling from is an
[1:12:57] important fact that to be outlined.
[1:13:00] >> Go ahead.
[1:13:01] >> Well no I just I think that Mr. Williams
[1:13:03] just clarified for me. Um, so because we
[1:13:06] do move them around as needed and I
[1:13:09] think that you just said that, right?
[1:13:11] >> Yeah. Go ahead.
[1:13:15] » Go ahead. So please, so you asked for um
[1:13:18] working
[1:13:20] did you only specifically ask for in the
[1:13:26] significant number
[1:13:29] and this is only
[1:13:41] Oh, I didn't prove that one.
[1:13:44] Next time
[1:13:46] next page, I did ask for a copy of the
[1:13:55] more of like a high level summary in
[1:13:57] terms of how many money um allocated to
[1:14:00] the city and how many is allocated for
[1:14:04] the agency. But I can do that because I
[1:14:06] will take the Excel version and um
[1:14:10] I'm going to do my own because I just
[1:14:12] want to highlight that because I know
[1:14:14] you know we already
[1:14:16] that um
[1:14:19] we awarded uh money to our friends and families. So I wanted to
[1:14:23] highlight that to make sure that when we
[1:14:25] address that just watch it to identify
[1:14:27] how much money was awarded to the city
[1:14:30] and the other agency that received the
[1:14:32] funding and to identify those so we can
[1:14:35] put that to rest.
[1:14:41] » The next report on this is a smart city.
[1:14:46] So I I as I asked about that and um and
[1:14:51] they referred to the fact that we gave
[1:14:54] information just over exactly how fun
[1:14:59] is there a follow up to this? Yeah, he
[1:15:01] said it would take some time.
[1:15:12] » How do you want broken down? How much we
[1:15:14] spend on fiber? You want access points?
[1:15:20] Well, so I'm a customer, but again,
[1:15:24] so yeah, bring it down because um I'm
[1:15:28] sure you know what I was trying to
[1:15:29] figure out. It's not but it looks like
[1:15:32] uh you're saying that we only have
[1:15:35] 137,000 left. So it's not a huge amount
[1:15:38] of money.
[1:15:39] Um
[1:15:41] but I didn't sure if it's if at this
[1:15:43] point let me think it through if it's
[1:15:45] worth it. But I know we put it we you
[1:15:47] know we had 7 million in there. I didn't
[1:15:48] realize what fent to do.
[1:15:52] The question is we're asking for your
[1:15:54] breakdown of the smart city money
[1:15:56] including what has been spent.
[1:15:58] >> How much remain any open uh purchase
[1:16:01] orders
[1:16:03] >> in 23 and 21 we spent um like over well
[1:16:08] yeah 2 million over 2 million in 21 and
[1:16:10] over 3 million in 23 and the other
[1:16:13] years.
[1:16:16] So, and I thought that by now it's we're
[1:16:18] in 25 that we were supposed to be have
[1:16:21] like wrapped this up and um gotten it
[1:16:23] done, but now we're getting more money.
[1:16:24] So, there's obviously more to be done.
[1:16:28] So, yes, that would be just how we spend
[1:16:30] it and but what um
[1:16:35] Mr. Kin said is that the new money
[1:16:37] that's coming in the 1.6 million can
[1:16:40] only be spent on smart city and nothing
[1:16:42] else. the kind of lighting that we need
[1:16:45] in the budget only
[1:16:48] >> that's going to
[1:16:51] platform primarily
[1:16:56] go
[1:17:00] » something that you can get in the
[1:17:02] private
[1:17:05] typically for accounts payable
[1:17:09] >> detailed yeah detailed documents It's a
[1:17:13] lot of documents but hundreds of pages.
[1:17:19] » So I looked specific or you get briefing
[1:17:22] from Mr. Ken on what has been spent.
[1:17:25] >> So what you so if it's spent it's spent
[1:17:28] and it was just is there anything that's
[1:17:31] encumbered but not spent in this? So
[1:17:35] open field
[1:17:37] that's what
[1:17:38] >> just this specific amount right here
[1:17:41] >> and then the available amount
[1:17:43] 37 that's what
[1:17:47] >> so I since it was a significant amount
[1:17:50] tax um
[1:17:53] there's not a lot left so I'm not sure I
[1:17:55] mean if you can get some that would be
[1:17:56] fine but it's only there's only $137
[1:17:59] there
[1:18:01] that's even available
[1:18:04] And really we're trying to see if the um
[1:18:07] 1.6 million that we're getting could
[1:18:09] have we could have gotten some of that
[1:18:11] from this back to the general fund.
[1:18:14] That's that was my
[1:18:15] >> again
[1:18:16] capital. You can't do
[1:18:18] >> I got it. I understand that was I was
[1:18:20] thinking I didn't know. So now you know
[1:18:22] I was like I figured out that we can
[1:18:24] move some of that money there.
[1:18:26] We can't we cannot
[1:18:29] move. Um
[1:18:31] maybe you can ask for what but it's it's
[1:18:34] just it's it's not a significant amount
[1:18:36] that it'll help but it won't it really
[1:18:38] won't close
[1:18:41] >> but it was you know it is kind of
[1:18:42] significant but it looks like it is for
[1:18:44] capital so because I was thinking the
[1:18:46] same thing but
[1:18:49] 137,000 not chicken food.
[1:18:52] >> No sh to your mom
[1:18:54] >> but it's all set.
[1:18:58] Don't move on. A question was asked Miss
[1:19:01] Cargo in terms of the board of zoning
[1:19:04] appeal piece for services and that was
[1:19:07] provided to us
[1:19:10] that bill from Mr. Williams.
[1:19:49] Mr. You had another question regarding
[1:19:51] code enforcement a664100
[1:19:54] code enforcement office for logic for
[1:19:56] eliminating revenue generating and
[1:19:58] compliance officer.
[1:20:01] Department of the Department of
[1:20:03] Administration of public works has been
[1:20:07] his response was their current
[1:20:12] so it's
[1:20:14] so long.
[1:20:39] There was a question here from
[1:20:41] fund balance.
[1:20:43] >> Yes. And we didn't receive
[1:20:45] a detail available.
[1:20:47] >> Yes.
[1:20:51] » 724
[1:20:55] and open purchase order.
[1:20:56] >> Yeah.
[1:20:57] >> Yes. And you're going to And then this
[1:21:00] we have this report here in terms of the
[1:21:02] last report. You're going to be so you
[1:21:05] want to
[1:21:06] >> Yeah. I have some questions. I said
[1:21:10] so there should be a followup.
[1:21:12] >> Yes.
[1:21:18] I'm sorry. Which one was that?
[1:21:19] >> This was this.
[1:21:21] >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you.
[1:21:29] » Okay. Um I think that's all I have in
[1:21:32] terms of question. Are there any other
[1:21:34] questions that
[1:21:39] you have? I don't think I'm missing.
[1:21:41] That's all I have.
[1:22:00] just so
[1:22:03] we'll go back to you in terms of your um
[1:22:08] I think we answer the question and we
[1:22:10] can go through your um recommendation
[1:22:20] in terms of recommendation that we think
[1:22:23] please make notes
[1:22:35] You should have this page.
[1:22:46] [Music]
[1:23:09] So walk us for a while on this line and
[1:23:12] if we have question we can ask and then
[1:23:15] we'll move to the next
[1:23:17] So starting
[1:23:19] recommendations, but what in order
[1:23:23] to rail a lot of regiments just
[1:23:26] identifying just issues or concerns with
[1:23:29] respect
[1:23:31] to the general fund in a year that is
[1:23:35] conceivably one of the most difficult
[1:23:37] years in the state and I would
[1:23:39] absolutely agree. So I think if we are
[1:23:42] put in best position to then further
[1:23:44] evaluate us for expenses that are very
[1:23:48] much needed. I think we have to go
[1:23:50] through
[1:23:54] fully meet the request of certain
[1:23:55] apartments um and not completely forego
[1:23:58] certain expenses just due to your
[1:24:01] current. So um each vehicle that I use
[1:24:06] there is
[1:24:07] there were never I didn't zero down any
[1:24:09] recommendations. So reducing from 2 to
[1:24:11] one. Um I know for some of our
[1:24:14] recommendations we do come at different
[1:24:16] cost. There's a difference between
[1:24:18] reducing
[1:24:20] two rear packers to one is different
[1:24:24] than reducing
[1:24:26] I think 350 from two to one parks. So I
[1:24:29] know that those have different weights.
[1:24:32] Um but sincerely didn't calculate all of
[1:24:34] the recommendations that I had that fall
[1:24:37] to $2.19 million.
[1:24:40] is a large figure that can influence the
[1:24:43] difference between people who make
[1:24:44] decisions between the taxes and choosing
[1:24:48] between food and other meanings in their
[1:24:51] households. Um I would point out the
[1:24:54] last recommendation I had was in line
[1:24:57] with just how the refuse and waste
[1:25:00] charges have increased considerably for
[1:25:02] people in the city. Um that A2130 D line
[1:25:06] which
[1:25:08] what is it again?
[1:25:09] >> Uh alpha 2130 delta that refers to the
[1:25:16] >> waste outside the city. The past few
[1:25:18] years I've saw that number just rise
[1:25:22] uh considerably lower in respect to just
[1:25:24] fees increases for residents within the
[1:25:26] city. With that followed in line with
[1:25:28] the expectations for increases for
[1:25:31] people living in the city which is 32%.
[1:25:34] Increasing that to similar standards
[1:25:37] that possibility did not calculate back
[1:25:39] into my overall overall number that way
[1:25:42] by $195,000.
[1:25:46] Just showing if they're asking our
[1:25:48] residents to pay more for trash. I think
[1:25:50] it's disingenuous to give that service
[1:25:53] away for free. I know it's not free with
[1:25:57] a marginally less increase outside of
[1:26:00] the city.
[1:26:02] May contract we have a contract under
[1:26:06] deal with Scotia for that. So there's an
[1:26:08] inflationary
[1:26:10] uh proponent of that
[1:26:13] and I apologize I don't know what your
[1:26:15] contracts are but we cannot go down the
[1:26:18] path taking
[1:26:21] items that are budgeted in the capital
[1:26:23] budget and then look at putting it in
[1:26:26] the general budget items in the 26
[1:26:30] capital budget have almost no effect on
[1:26:33] 26 budget. Those are items that we would
[1:26:36] hopefully buy in 26 or going into 27.
[1:26:40] And the impact is really 27, but
[1:26:45] the message coming out saying that
[1:26:47] you're looking at taking money that we
[1:26:49] intend to borrow
[1:26:51] and that's again proposals the capital
[1:26:54] budget. You probably have to switch that
[1:26:56] to a RAN revenue anticipation note or a
[1:27:00] CAN tax
[1:27:03] anticipation note.
[1:27:14] » Our capital budget is like um a
[1:27:17] Christmas wish list, right? What we
[1:27:19] need, what we need and we always
[1:27:23] approach you. I understood we need
[1:27:25] money,
[1:27:27] >> right? And we usually borrow money
[1:27:33] to fund more those capital funds.
[1:27:36] >> Correct.
[1:27:38] >> Uh if if I may say, I mean, what the
[1:27:40] suggestion is on the table in terms of
[1:27:44] we're in a delicate position
[1:27:46] >> and we Yes, it's it's a capital. We're
[1:27:49] going to borrow money. It's not part of
[1:27:51] the budget,
[1:27:51] >> but if you don't want to borrow it, I
[1:27:53] understand that. But you cannot take
[1:27:55] that money,
[1:27:56] >> which you're saying borrow.
[1:28:00] >> It's not It's not money that we have.
[1:28:02] >> It's funny that um
[1:28:05] the message is that I know we're we're
[1:28:07] tight crunch. We need a tight no way
[1:28:10] more money. Can we put this off?
[1:28:15] >> Go ahead. Well, I can only speak um spec
[1:28:18] I did talk about the uh when I saw this,
[1:28:22] I did talk to our parks director about
[1:28:23] the first item and um just wanted to
[1:28:26] point out that the equipment that he
[1:28:30] currently is using is like 13 years old.
[1:28:32] Um and that particular truck, he also
[1:28:35] uses it to plow the snow from some of
[1:28:37] the other parks. It's not just limited
[1:28:40] to one park. So, it is how we um we use
[1:28:44] it across the across the city. So,
[1:28:46] that's 70,000 I would like to uh keep in
[1:28:50] um but I do understand what we're saying
[1:28:52] that it doesn't affect the taxes in any
[1:28:54] way, right? I mean, it's um because
[1:28:56] they're capital projects. So, um but
[1:28:59] that's the only one that I uh wanted to mention to you. And then I
[1:29:03] don't know the only other thing I would
[1:29:04] say though is the IT smart node upgrade.
[1:29:08] Um,
[1:29:09] I think that, you know, Mr. Khan, that
[1:29:13] seemed like a pretty legitimate, we kind
[1:29:16] of need it, uh, for our technology. But
[1:29:20] again, I'm not a I'm not an IT
[1:29:22] specialist, but
[1:29:25] >> so whether it becomes out of state now
[1:29:27] or the future, right? The decisions we
[1:29:29] make now, the opponents, what we do are
[1:29:32] going to say this in no way affects next
[1:29:34] year's budget thereafter. So I think we
[1:29:36] need to change our practices of how
[1:29:37] we're evaluating like these purchases
[1:29:39] moving forward. Um I would say for
[1:29:43] department heads or anyone bringing
[1:29:44] products forward, they don't they're not
[1:29:46] forced to make the decisions or
[1:29:48] calculations that we are responsible for
[1:29:50] in this room. Their focus point is how
[1:29:53] do I approve the living conditions of
[1:29:55] people in the safe? So they're going to
[1:29:56] be for everything on this list and there
[1:29:58] always is going to be justification for
[1:30:01] these things.
[1:30:02] >> If not, I would question their logically
[1:30:04] accepting it. Um
[1:30:05] >> but the responsibility we have now is
[1:30:08] what difficult decisions are we going to
[1:30:10] make because if we continue to say we
[1:30:12] can we need can't do without this thing
[1:30:15] and I would say let's just we're going
[1:30:16] to waste the time and just pass the
[1:30:18] budget.
[1:30:23] » Uh we have to understand I mean there's
[1:30:25] some money that we can borrow at some
[1:30:26] point in time we're going to have to
[1:30:28] taxpayers going to pay the next year or
[1:30:30] two. So, it's cost going to be added to
[1:30:32] the budget in a year or two. And it's
[1:30:34] like similar to home. I mean, we're
[1:30:35] tight crunch in your your own personal
[1:30:38] life and go there and buy an SUV on top
[1:30:41] of all the escalation and the price
[1:30:43] that's going on and down the road you
[1:30:45] have to pay for it. So yes, we're going
[1:30:47] to part money, but uh we need to be very
[1:30:50] careful what we do
[1:30:51] >> because if we're going to be cutting
[1:30:53] across the border, we need to make sure
[1:30:55] that we address
[1:30:57] every
[1:30:57] >> department
[1:31:00] by not making some of those capital
[1:31:02] investments to drive up the maintenance
[1:31:04] costs and other lands.
[1:31:11] » Oh, just got the individual back full
[1:31:13] time. Hopefully not.
[1:31:16] H listen,
[1:31:17] >> there was a full-time person how we were
[1:31:19] identified that was off for a
[1:31:21] considerable amount of the year that
[1:31:23] individual is now back. Some of the
[1:31:25] expectations that Mr. Lefon had with
[1:31:27] being able to work with individuals
[1:31:29] offline to help with some of those
[1:31:30] internal concerns he hasn't been able to
[1:31:33] do for much of this year. Hopefully that
[1:31:35] cost savings into next year.
[1:31:40] But the thought also is if our equipment
[1:31:43] is not getting into more accidents
[1:31:44] because we're keeping people in line
[1:31:46] with their work workflow expectations,
[1:31:49] the vehicles apparatuses will stay in
[1:31:51] good functional way.
[1:31:57] Do you want to touch on the bottom of
[1:31:58] your page?
[1:32:04] » Um 60p 1621
[1:32:07] kind of walk us through there and then
[1:32:08] we'll page and then we'll go into the
[1:32:10] other
[1:32:15] » 1621 that
[1:32:17] >> it's not these. Yeah. So the SL chart
[1:32:22] clearly the year to date uh for that
[1:32:26] line 1621 to 41 the year was 10% and
[1:32:30] going up through the year but sincerely
[1:32:36] focus here is how do we these reductions
[1:32:39] get closer in line with that unique
[1:32:41] minds.
[1:32:45] So with that just trying to every dollar
[1:32:49] is looking at your dollars.
[1:32:54] Any question on that?
[1:32:57] So move to E3120
[1:33:01] that is on edition 32.
[1:33:13] Great.
[1:33:16] 31.
[1:33:20] » I'm sorry. What page was it, Mr. M?
[1:33:24] 31.
[1:33:25] >> Thank you.
[1:33:29] » Yeah, I have administration.
[1:33:33] >> So, here it is 50% and two months left
[1:33:36] in the year.
[1:33:41] » May 31. I imagine that would be one of
[1:33:43] those lines where there are uh those
[1:33:47] transfers
[1:33:48] calculate those
[1:33:51] funds ahead of time. We can deliberately
[1:33:54] fund some other things rather than not
[1:33:55] include them and have to have a budget
[1:33:57] appropriation to include them.
[1:34:01] >> So can I just um Mr. Williams? So
[1:34:05] instead of
[1:34:08] So you want to actually
[1:34:12] 3120
[1:34:14] 402. Oh, you are you adding all three of
[1:34:17] those 402s
[1:34:19] or four? There's four of them, I'm
[1:34:20] sorry. Or is it just the plain one
[1:34:22] administration expense?
[1:34:24] >> Just the plain one.
[1:34:25] >> Gotcha. So you want that to go down by
[1:34:28] 25,000
[1:34:30] >> based on the fact that the year end date
[1:34:32] is 50%.
[1:34:34] Um, and I don't have a note on that
[1:34:36] particular one
[1:34:39] >> on what it was for.
[1:34:40] >> I would say Mr. a point there not been
[1:34:43] glaring out side of large increases or decreases in this line for it to
[1:34:48] cause like
[1:34:50] a point of comment like when they're
[1:34:52] coming to present for me and I had other
[1:34:55] questions about our overtime lines drawn
[1:34:58] from because for police and fire it's
[1:35:02] on a recent basis that the majority of
[1:35:04] those expenses come in December. So that
[1:35:06] draws me to ask why. Because if we can
[1:35:09] eliminate that or reduce it, that would
[1:35:12] make considerable savings for us. And if
[1:35:14] you're going to tell me, it's because we
[1:35:16] have a holiday in December. There are
[1:35:18] holidays and other ones that don't draw
[1:35:20] that much money. And I know I'm jumping
[1:35:22] around a little bit, but over time lines
[1:35:25] and at least confirm
[1:35:28] resident reviewing comments. Um year
[1:35:30] date one was like 1%. So you're telling
[1:35:33] me that's going to jump 99% in the month
[1:35:35] of December?
[1:35:36] >> I I hear what you're saying. So I think
[1:35:37] we I'd like to hear more of an
[1:35:39] explanation as well.
[1:35:40] >> So that wasn't one of my discuss
[1:35:42] reduction because that requires more
[1:35:44] conversation. Um but that's why I asked
[1:35:46] it.
[1:35:46] >> Yeah. No, I I
[1:35:54] asked the question around the transfers
[1:35:57] and getting that information while
[1:36:00] decision. I feel like there's probably
[1:36:02] really good justifiable reasons why some
[1:36:04] of the things are moving the way they
[1:36:05] are. We just kind of need to have a
[1:36:07] better understanding of it.
[1:36:25] Now that is
[1:36:28] >> um I just so maybe um our commissioner
[1:36:33] could just explain it might just be an
[1:36:35] accounting thing but why the spend down
[1:36:37] happens in December because I understand
[1:36:39] what Mr. Williams is saying. So
[1:36:42] >> some contractual payment
[1:36:44] >> to be here
[1:36:50] » specifically looking for 31.
[1:36:52] >> Um well there were a few aren't there a
[1:36:55] couple that go
[1:36:57] >> 3120 117. Well that's holiday. Okay.
[1:37:01] Yeah, it's dependent on the contract.
[1:37:04] Um, but I believe this one in particular
[1:37:07] was uh one of the uh members that they
[1:37:11] need to um status
[1:37:14] out.
[1:37:18] » Mhm.
[1:37:19] >> Okay.
[1:37:25] » Any other question regarding
[1:37:29] proposal?
[1:37:31] If I move to page 6
[1:37:38] 8664
[1:37:40] 100
[1:37:45] [Music]
[1:37:53] » So they lowered the
[1:37:56] proposed law enforcement officers from
[1:37:58] 12 to 10 and then One of my big comments
[1:38:00] was why would we do that? Um we're going
[1:38:02] to talk to Mr. Fency to say they were
[1:38:04] actually at five. Um I don't know how no
[1:38:08] one needs to think that they're going to
[1:38:09] hire five code enforcement officers in
[1:38:11] 2026.
[1:38:13] I'm going to push back and say some to
[1:38:16] none. Um I'm going say some but I think
[1:38:19] that also follow the question a lot of
[1:38:21] the conversations we had before this
[1:38:23] discussion about that department of
[1:38:24] itself separate conversation. So I
[1:38:27] definitely think looking to lower that
[1:38:31] number for more reasonable figure two
[1:38:35] positions away. I don't think that's
[1:38:36] hurting anyone and there's still
[1:38:38] available positions for individuals they
[1:38:41] identify themselves.
[1:38:45] » So you're suggesting lowering from 10 to
[1:38:48] a lower number
[1:38:50] >> of vegan positions. Yes. just want to
[1:38:53] close up.
[1:38:57] » I need a different color.
[1:39:00] >> It's start I I think that what it seems
[1:39:04] might be happening. And I guess what I'm
[1:39:06] my wondering is when again when we're
[1:39:08] having these vacant positions that are
[1:39:10] left in um does that become
[1:39:16] uh yeah draw source for different
[1:39:19] expenses and that's why and I'm sure
[1:39:21] that we've captured that in transfers
[1:39:23] understand like where that information
[1:39:25] happens but we'll be able to see that
[1:39:28] but that's that was the my entire uh
[1:39:32] like some of my receptions that
[1:39:36] there's most likely going to be
[1:39:37] shortfalls in our revenues uh in this
[1:39:40] year. We're probably not going to hit
[1:39:42] figures depending if you look at, you
[1:39:44] know, later days. So,
[1:39:48] that's going to be captured. Um you're
[1:39:51] not going to see any savings from these
[1:39:52] salary lines from these overtime lines.
[1:39:55] um you know depending on if we did hit
[1:39:58] 100% of these revenue numbers then yes
[1:40:01] maybe
[1:40:05] uh
[1:40:06] >> fun.
[1:40:10] So yeah, I don't think I'm missing. So
[1:40:14] my question is how much money is being
[1:40:18] left in vacant positions and then being
[1:40:21] pulled from the what would be this
[1:40:25] position that it was filled to go to a
[1:40:26] different expense? I that's the question
[1:40:28] I'm trying to figure out.
[1:40:29] >> Go in here and we look at expenditures
[1:40:33] uh try to balance everything out. So say
[1:40:36] if okay we have budgeted five something
[1:40:42] currently and our revenue expectations
[1:40:46] and our expenses are um fund balances
[1:40:49] going to be decreased.
[1:40:51] So I'm not sure if that's answering your
[1:40:53] question. So we might not see the extra
[1:40:56] funding salary and overtimes.
[1:40:59] So, so what you're saying is that when
[1:41:02] the if we don't meet our revenue that
[1:41:05] money that might be in in that position
[1:41:08] held in that line goes to our fund
[1:41:10] balance. That's what you're saying.
[1:41:13] >> So, no, if we meet our revenues meet
[1:41:15] expectations.
[1:41:16] >> Sure.
[1:41:18] >> Revenues are over expenditures
[1:41:20] >> that have to balance.
[1:41:24] >> Yeah. It still doesn't answer that
[1:41:26] question as far as well I think again I
[1:41:28] just need to get information on
[1:41:29] transfers.
[1:41:29] >> Let me see if I can try to So let's use
[1:41:32] um this department code enforcement with
[1:41:35] vacancies.
[1:41:36] >> Sure.
[1:41:36] >> So if they have to spend on on another
[1:41:39] line and if they have funding on one of
[1:41:41] those vacancies they use that money
[1:41:42] within that specific department to help
[1:41:45] offset any overrun.
[1:41:47] >> Ex Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[1:41:49] >> Yeah, I'm trying.
[1:41:50] >> Mhm.
[1:41:50] >> They do and that's happening all the
[1:41:52] time. Yes, the police department
[1:41:54] mentioned that to us. That's why they
[1:41:55] help with the overtime because they
[1:41:57] always have taken position and funding
[1:42:00] on those specific line.
[1:42:02] >> So they use that funding within that
[1:42:04] department
[1:42:05] >> to help them with over time or any
[1:42:07] additional uh related expense.
[1:42:09] >> So at given time they're shortening the
[1:42:12] in the dollar amount on your timeline
[1:42:15] >> but in other pockets they can make it up
[1:42:18] over time,
[1:42:19] >> right? But what ends up happening is
[1:42:21] that when you know to pass the budget in
[1:42:25] good faith,
[1:42:26] if we know that the trend of the last 3
[1:42:30] years is that these vacant positions are lines are being pulled from to
[1:42:36] support anything other than that
[1:42:38] position, then we should probably have
[1:42:40] like a a more realistic conversation.
[1:42:44] And I think that's kind of what Mr.
[1:42:46] Williams at least uh related to uh my
[1:42:50] inquiry around transfer because it seems
[1:42:53] like if I'm a department heading and I'm
[1:42:55] saying I need seven positions. I've only
[1:42:58] filled two in the last 3 years but I've
[1:43:01] pulled from those five bacon positions
[1:43:04] to support another budget line. Let's
[1:43:07] just reflect that and say we want the budget line to be funded this way so
[1:43:14] the numbers are are clear is what I'm
[1:43:17] saying. So that's why we need that
[1:43:19] information on on the transfers
[1:43:21] happening so we can identify any trends
[1:43:23] that we're seeing.
[1:43:26] >> Excuse me.
[1:43:29] >> Go ahead.
[1:43:29] >> So this actually goes to um a question
[1:43:32] based on what Mr.
[1:43:34] said that um because I'm looking I've
[1:43:36] been looking at revenues and how we
[1:43:37] increase them. I think we have this from
[1:43:39] both ends but um you specifically said
[1:43:43] that that maybe we would have some
[1:43:46] revenue that we're anticipating. Is
[1:43:48] there some particular revenue line that
[1:43:50] you think we may not hit or several?
[1:43:57] I believe home sales is one of them.
[1:44:03] But it's already
[1:44:08] » Okay. So, let's um let's continue with
[1:44:12] stay on track.
[1:44:24] » So, so it's fairly I mean if you look at
[1:44:26] the majority of it from the last budget
[1:44:30] overall.
[1:44:30] >> Mhm. If we were if we had a good sort of
[1:44:34] lot this money would come back to the
[1:44:35] general fund from department or
[1:44:38] shortfall they will use the funding
[1:44:40] within department of health.
[1:44:44] » Mhm.
[1:44:47] >> Um
[1:44:50] the next one is um
[1:44:55] try to find
[1:44:56] >> I think you you've missed the digit
[1:44:58] there. Is that 89 89?
[1:45:00] >> Yes. Oh, I I hope that it's
[1:45:03] I think it's 9089,
[1:45:06] I think. I wasn't sure.
[1:45:08] >> It's on the top of the second page or
[1:45:11] the back page.
[1:45:14] I couldn't really find it either.
[1:45:18] >> I didn't I didn't know who it was.
[1:45:25] » I need to come back.
[1:45:26] >> What department? What department?
[1:45:28] >> I wasn't sure.
[1:45:31] Where's my budget?
[1:45:35] >> Page 30 for 1989.
[1:45:40] >> Oh, maybe it's missing the first number.
[1:45:41] Huh?
[1:45:46] » Can you see?
[1:45:49] Yes. Yes, it is. Thank you, M.
[1:45:51] >> Oh, okay. Okay, I got it. I see it.
[1:45:56] I think they're telling us that July
[1:45:59] demolition
[1:46:03] » 1989. Okay.
[1:46:07] >> A 1989 contingency.
[1:46:11] >> Our year to date is 282,500.
[1:46:16] » What is our 28?
[1:46:17] >> 282,51.
[1:46:20] » So like 300K.
[1:46:22] >> And there's certain things you can
[1:46:23] educate around. I can't really say no
[1:46:25] where this has happened but I understand
[1:46:29] what I mean.
[1:46:31] >> Mayor how is our recovery insurance
[1:46:34] recover
[1:46:36] taken down after higher?
[1:46:41] » It's hit and miss. Some of those uh get
[1:46:45] nothing back and other ones we've been
[1:46:48] fairly successful.
[1:46:50] Is it a long drawn up process report or
[1:46:53] they just settled through the insurance
[1:46:54] company?
[1:46:56] >> It seems it's all talked to they're not
[1:47:00] when you're dealing with insurance
[1:47:02] companies, it's never quite as
[1:47:04] >> simple where you send them the bill and
[1:47:05] they send you back the check. So, it's the what the value is and what the
[1:47:12] coverage is.
[1:47:16] We some people cash insurance walk away
[1:47:19] from the property
[1:47:22] cash insurance check.
[1:47:25] >> Are we not filing a lean on that very
[1:47:27] moment?
[1:47:28] >> We are now in the past.
[1:47:32] >> And sometimes it's a little bit of lag
[1:47:33] from the event till you've identified
[1:47:36] the uh contextual policy that's
[1:47:39] provided.
[1:47:43] Any
[1:47:48] question?
[1:47:52] » Yeah, this is line we have to consider
[1:47:54] because we do have unfortunate situation
[1:47:56] with demo one and things like that. It
[1:47:57] does cost us more money now the 80. We
[1:48:00] used to pay a couple years ago 30
[1:48:02] $40,000 for demo. Now it's almost
[1:48:05] double.
[1:48:06] >> What line is are you talking?
[1:48:11] Oh, you're still
[1:48:12] >> we take out of the general fund, but the
[1:48:14] land back gets paid for. So, there's
[1:48:17] different sources there depending on the
[1:48:19] uh again the property what we're trying
[1:48:22] to accomplish.
[1:48:26] That's all. Anything else?
[1:48:29] >> I don't know.
[1:48:33] » So, we're talking about
[1:48:35] >> No, no, this is just a discussion of
[1:48:41] We're just discussing having open
[1:48:42] dialogue and you know flushing things
[1:48:45] out that people have an idea why you're
[1:48:47] making that um recommendation.
[1:48:50] And the next one here you going to the
[1:48:52] bottom of the page waiting break about
[1:48:54] union negotiations.
[1:48:56] Uh the last one is just a matter of just
[1:48:59] practice. I don't know what I've noticed
[1:49:02] in by its past is that taking into
[1:49:05] consideration
[1:49:07] um step offices not being at 100%
[1:49:10] individuals are expected to do more
[1:49:11] which is understandable. I think the
[1:49:14] worry is when we then make
[1:49:18] payroll or compensation adjustments to
[1:49:20] recognize the work that they have done,
[1:49:23] >> but those adjustments aren't further
[1:49:25] considered one of those departments
[1:49:27] funded
[1:49:29] >> to 100% or have 100% staffing. We've
[1:49:32] then inflated this position. Um, and
[1:49:36] then when we use that position as a
[1:49:37] point of reference to align other
[1:49:39] individuals in like positions, then
[1:49:41] we're now chasing these
[1:49:43] just truly
[1:49:45] um
[1:49:47] uh absorbent compensation packages that
[1:49:51] might not even reflect the work that
[1:49:52] they're actually doing at this current
[1:49:54] culture. So later on I was wanting to do
[1:49:56] a job evaluation which was not my idea.
[1:49:58] Mr. probably mentioned it last year um
[1:50:01] just to understand does the right work
[1:50:03] align with the right individual at the
[1:50:05] right department but sincerely there has
[1:50:07] to be a stop or an evaluation of how do
[1:50:10] we recognize people going above and
[1:50:12] beyond and to my respect please correct
[1:50:14] me if I'm wrong anyone else that budget
[1:50:17] line made the most sense because that is
[1:50:19] something that is only in line with this
[1:50:20] year and that we can evaluate on an
[1:50:22] annual basis but giving you that
[1:50:26] division funding would not throw a
[1:50:28] little bit to have
[1:50:30] uh having that be an expectation going
[1:50:32] forward. It's a consideration.
[1:50:37] So just along those lines perhaps in
[1:50:40] other words like I you know the stipens
[1:50:43] that some departments get but not all
[1:50:45] the departments get them and again I
[1:50:48] understand there's a big difference
[1:50:50] between
[1:50:51] public employment and private employment
[1:50:54] but you know many of us that many folks
[1:50:58] that work in private employment wouldn't
[1:51:00] necessarily get any extra money um if
[1:51:04] they were working
[1:51:07] past a certain amount of hours in a day
[1:51:09] or uh and I know some of it is
[1:51:11] contractual and and negotiated in our in
[1:51:14] our contracts here, but you know there might be an expectation where
[1:51:18] folks you know if you have a job
[1:51:20] especially a senior management job for
[1:51:23] example you have to stay until you
[1:51:25] finish the work um without necessarily
[1:51:28] getting a stipend but again that's
[1:51:30] probably different in public and go
[1:51:32] ahead
[1:51:33] >> those were put and it's developed over
[1:51:36] time. Those are put in for people who I
[1:51:40] make calls to at 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the
[1:51:43] morning. I expect them to answer the
[1:51:45] phone. I expect them to respond. I
[1:51:47] expect them to deal with whatever
[1:51:48] situation's in front of them. It is way
[1:51:51] far above and beyond somebody having to
[1:51:54] work a couple hours.
[1:51:55] >> Gotcha.
[1:52:07] We have to look at it on a broader
[1:52:09] picture in terms of uh we're not raising
[1:52:11] enough revenue
[1:52:13] >> and we're we're asking the taxpayers to
[1:52:16] fit the the bill so that we can increase
[1:52:20] our costs
[1:52:22] and I think it's fair working I mean
[1:52:24] going back to the private sector from
[1:52:26] the private sector if you're not
[1:52:27] bringing revenue you're not getting
[1:52:30] bonus you're not getting a raise.
[1:52:31] >> That's that's
[1:52:32] >> so we have to treat the city
[1:52:36] similar to the private sector. We bring
[1:52:38] in revenue, we return the expenditure
[1:52:41] back and for making it then we need to
[1:52:43] adjust. I mean, yes, I'm a big advocate
[1:52:45] for police and dividend raise, but at
[1:52:49] some point in time, we have to let you
[1:52:51] know
[1:52:53] does not allow for us to give you x
[1:52:57] amount to raise on a given year or we
[1:53:00] can make up in a future year as we go
[1:53:02] on. And I mean, they should understand
[1:53:04] that we are in crunch time. So, we have
[1:53:07] to crunch our numbers. Uh, it's not it's
[1:53:09] not easy thing for us to do across the
[1:53:11] board here.
[1:53:16] Well, I I want to make sure that my
[1:53:19] order is clear. It's not to align a city
[1:53:21] with like a forprofit corporation
[1:53:23] because it's not. But sincerely, I think
[1:53:26] being to put the emphasis on staff and
[1:53:29] when we don't, that has a burden on
[1:53:31] departments. But we can't absorb that
[1:53:34] into each individual staff and to
[1:53:36] appease individuals
[1:53:38] >> because when we look at it collectively,
[1:53:40] >> that is also part of the reason why
[1:53:42] we're here.
[1:53:43] >> Not 100%. But we're looking at the
[1:53:46] details of how we ensure next year's
[1:53:48] budget is not as bad. Otherwise, there's
[1:53:51] pretty all hand down moment.
[1:53:57] Then go back to the conversation that we
[1:53:59] have with Miss Carr where she had she
[1:54:01] was requesting a pretty reasonable pot
[1:54:05] of money that that was going to be
[1:54:06] considered for overtime. In the course
[1:54:08] of that conversation, what she said was
[1:54:10] that her team is working um and and
[1:54:14] based on the the need that they are
[1:54:17] flexing their time. So, in other words,
[1:54:19] if they have to present to us and
[1:54:21] they're they're staying late doing a
[1:54:23] presentation for us or we're out in the
[1:54:24] community doing something, then instead
[1:54:26] of their work day maybe starting at 8:00
[1:54:28] when you got the birthday starting at
[1:54:30] 10:00.
[1:54:30] >> So, and I think that when we were
[1:54:32] considering um compensation packages
[1:54:35] last year, um a lot of the conversation
[1:54:38] was we want to get people to a point to
[1:54:41] where obviously um we're compensating
[1:54:44] them fairly for the work that we're
[1:54:45] doing.
[1:54:46] I mean, I think that there's I don't
[1:54:49] think this has to be one one extreme or
[1:54:51] the other. Maybe there's a scenario in
[1:54:53] which we create a collective um
[1:54:57] uh I'm using this term stipen that is spread across the board and we
[1:55:05] know that we only going to use these in
[1:55:07] those most very extreme circumstances
[1:55:10] that the major mayor is talking about.
[1:55:12] And then
[1:55:13] for other departments, the expectation
[1:55:16] would be for people to um to flex their
[1:55:20] time and or you know and and
[1:55:23] understanding that the raises that are
[1:55:26] given that have been given in our
[1:55:27] subsequent years really should reflect
[1:55:30] the value of the position that they're
[1:55:31] doing cuz if that's not the case then
[1:55:33] how what was the formula and I think
[1:55:36] this goes to Mr. lawyers for us a little
[1:55:37] bit as the decided to give those um
[1:55:40] favorable races to begin with.
[1:55:57] Um this der would you mind give us a
[1:56:00] report in terms of the management prices
[1:56:04] >> the total cost.
[1:56:06] >> Did I uh did I
[1:56:08] >> no you can get it
[1:56:18] » we'll move to the next page and you have
[1:56:20] some questions there.
[1:56:23] >> Uh all those are provided answers. All
[1:56:26] >> uh these are the questions. I appreciate
[1:56:28] this.
[1:56:29] >> Perfect. Perfect. Improvements on
[1:56:32] initiatives.
[1:56:33] >> Um want to address that because it's
[1:56:36] part of
[1:56:38] >> Yes. No. So the garbage we had to
[1:56:41] address garbage. I know there were
[1:56:43] comments at the last city council
[1:56:45] meeting um by a collective body that
[1:56:47] voted that legislation through. I do not
[1:56:49] think it fall, you know, I do not think
[1:56:51] it does not fall on any one of us
[1:56:53] singularly. Um but sincerely the bulk
[1:56:56] items that needs to be revisited but um
[1:57:00] there was a revenue lines talking about
[1:57:02] evaluation of revenue lines that did not
[1:57:04] meet. There was one for trash for half a
[1:57:08] million dollars. I remember vividly a
[1:57:12] discussion of how can we anticipate that
[1:57:14] revenue
[1:57:16] prior to see legislation passed and the
[1:57:19] mayor was very in the fact that that
[1:57:22] money was going to be here. There was
[1:57:23] not no need to really can't those
[1:57:25] conversations at this present juncture
[1:57:28] but I don't know whether we buy garbage
[1:57:31] cans which was one of the
[1:57:32] recommendations from this tutorial with
[1:57:34] bar funds we don't have funds if we are
[1:57:36] not going to agree on a bag limit if we
[1:57:38] are not going to agree on a
[1:57:42] standard for devices
[1:57:44] we have to do something but if nothing
[1:57:46] more than to limit the workers comp
[1:57:48] claims which I imagine in part are are
[1:57:50] due to the fact that this is unregulated
[1:57:52] Again, this is not anything that's going
[1:57:54] to solve the $6 million gap, but it's
[1:57:56] going to lower that uh the threshold of
[1:58:00] getting larger in ways that pass.
[1:58:05] Um, I know we talk about contracts, we
[1:58:07] need to look at u best and worst case
[1:58:10] offers. Every city I've looked at, there
[1:58:12] have been positive returns from putting
[1:58:14] out like garbage cans. I know the term
[1:58:17] investment right now is not something
[1:58:19] that is being seen
[1:58:23] well, but regardless, we sincerely have
[1:58:25] to identify a better path forward. And
[1:58:28] the plans are just one of justifications
[1:58:30] of why we need to figure this out sooner
[1:58:31] than later.
[1:58:38] Uh the next one, updating codes. I did a
[1:58:41] brief list. I I referenced the state's
[1:58:44] website. um
[1:58:46] different schools of thought just
[1:58:48] evaluating just how we can improve
[1:58:50] things moving forward. Um we have to
[1:58:53] incentivize people getting permits um
[1:58:57] otherwise they're not going to or
[1:58:59] they're just going to wait for the
[1:59:00] nights or they're going to wait for
[1:59:01] weekends. That is not something that is
[1:59:02] a a secret that is apparent um and not
[1:59:07] the fact that we only have five home
[1:59:09] officers. So, uh,
[1:59:12] the list of approvement providers, um,
[1:59:15] it looked like it was just updated for
[1:59:17] electricians and it seemed like it's
[1:59:19] pretty outdated. Um, I think as a city
[1:59:21] we can have a good list and a bad list.
[1:59:24] Um, uh, just these are individuals that
[1:59:27] uphold the standards of our work. These
[1:59:29] are the ones that we think we should
[1:59:31] value because they meet the the
[1:59:33] considerations from our codes
[1:59:36] department. Um and they should be thrown
[1:59:38] at a higher pedestal. Um but also there
[1:59:41] is an opportunity to let everything work
[1:59:44] assignments
[1:59:46] driving around at night or driving
[1:59:48] around on the weekends more. I know um
[1:59:51] highlighted that that is done. I think
[1:59:53] there's improved room for generating
[1:59:56] growth on those driving lines um if not
[1:59:59] just to hold compliance to a standard
[2:00:03] because it is zero for weekends and that
[2:00:05] is scary.
[2:00:07] Um
[2:00:09] and part of the concern the conversation
[2:00:11] we had earlier was uh talking about um
[2:00:14] prejudices.
[2:00:16] If we are not proactively
[2:00:19] uh identifying households that are not
[2:00:21] providing permits,
[2:00:23] then the only people that are getting
[2:00:25] responded to are the ones that are
[2:00:26] getting calls for complaints,
[2:00:30] which by standard could be very uh
[2:00:32] disproportionate to impact one community
[2:00:35] or the other.
[2:00:37] I think part of point of wanting to look
[2:00:41] at the terms, not talk about executive
[2:00:43] session conversations. I think that's a
[2:00:45] way we can ensure there's no bias. We
[2:00:48] treat every neighborhood fairly because
[2:00:50] we spend equal time in each
[2:00:51] neighborhood.
[2:00:54] Um
[2:00:56] I talked a lot about the NEO positions
[2:00:58] reflecting their department assignments
[2:01:01] and then just the job evaluation was
[2:01:02] just understanding
[2:01:04] not how do we lower your um compensation
[2:01:09] but how do we streamline the task and
[2:01:11] responsibilities expected for your
[2:01:12] position. And we were just talking about
[2:01:14] the secio a lot. When you have an
[2:01:17] individual that's been here for that
[2:01:18] long um leave naturally they have a lot
[2:01:21] of hats but then on their exit out who
[2:01:23] wears those hats
[2:01:25] >> and then now that those hats are being
[2:01:28] designated to other people how do you
[2:01:29] compensate them for wearing those hats
[2:01:30] and then it's that circular
[2:01:32] conversation.
[2:01:36] to to add to that I mean we have been on
[2:01:38] this country for a very long time to
[2:01:42] kind of remind everyone we have been
[2:01:44] talking about succession plan as long as
[2:01:48] we have been on this counsel myself each
[2:01:51] department and we have every time
[2:01:54] the department sick to keep asking
[2:01:59] and um you know it's something that we
[2:02:01] encourage in all department to have that
[2:02:04] training had somebody ready to take
[2:02:06] over.
[2:02:08] But um it's not going to happen all the
[2:02:09] time. You know, sometimes, you know, you
[2:02:11] just hope hope for the best.
[2:02:19] What I ask you to do, if you don't mind,
[2:02:21] uh to go back to the sheet, can you
[2:02:23] attach the dollar amount just for
[2:02:25] reference sake and
[2:02:28] have it for us?
[2:02:41] And you you have some uh you can
[2:02:42] continue to bottom on the sheet if you
[2:02:44] don't mind.
[2:02:46] >> Uh I think 16 was uh
[2:02:51] being giving the signal.
[2:02:53] >> It is it's utilities administration fee
[2:02:56] for services to add that $500 back.
[2:03:00] the two NEO positions. Uh the
[2:03:03] conversations that I've had with uh Mr.
[2:03:06] Anderson and also the emails he sent in
[2:03:09] to us wanted to ensure that that um
[2:03:12] position line supports the training
[2:03:15] program we put in place that is on where
[2:03:18] we continue to train individuals for
[2:03:20] positions that don't exist really train
[2:03:23] people to leave the city which I think
[2:03:25] is counterproductive. so we can make the
[2:03:26] acquisitions available or move the
[2:03:29] program and start trying to train people
[2:03:30] out of the city.
[2:03:32] >> Um
[2:03:34] the $150,000
[2:03:35] there was one individual that came and
[2:03:37] spoke at city council and just talked
[2:03:38] about preventative measures the city
[2:03:41] need to take but also as Mr. Farley
[2:03:43] always highlights this is an investment
[2:03:45] into our community and to our youth. Uh
[2:03:48] so I don't want to see a uh partial increase in the golf fees but
[2:03:55] then also seeing the city to take a
[2:03:56] stronger position. He was Mr. Carl was
[2:03:59] talks about intentionality. I think the
[2:04:00] city needs to intentionally put in place
[2:04:02] for them to fund this position and I
[2:04:05] think we can put that burden onto CBG
[2:04:09] CDBG funds uh which organizations we
[2:04:12] have to find that within the state are
[2:04:15] youth matter and according to the
[2:04:17] proposed budget they don't that's not
[2:04:20] available all the youth wants removed
[2:04:24] um replacing the uh seasonal labor order
[2:04:29] physicians an A8161
[2:04:31] 100.
[2:04:35] One of the questions I had was what is
[2:04:37] their um hourly wage? It was told to us
[2:04:40] that it was uh $1,750 plus $2 when
[2:04:45] they're any waste when in all reality
[2:04:47] it's $1,550 plus 2 hours and I know that is a contracted wage.
[2:04:55] you are not paying me seven hours to do
[2:04:58] that work expectation and waste and the
[2:05:00] fact that we have people that are doing
[2:05:01] it is a testament to their desire and and confidence in doing that work
[2:05:08] which often people turn their nose up
[2:05:09] that shocking shocking if we're talking
[2:05:12] about education these are some of the
[2:05:14] positions that are most underfunded in
[2:05:16] our city and those contract and do that
[2:05:19] with a smile and to the best of their
[2:05:21] abilities and people are turning their
[2:05:22] nose back then you need to be ashamed of
[2:05:24] yourself if you're doing that right now.
[2:05:26] So part of the conversation was
[2:05:31] taking half of the a lotment for the
[2:05:32] seasonal labor loader positions and I
[2:05:34] don't know bring in two full-time staff
[2:05:36] members where your wage is a little more
[2:05:38] livable especially after we to expect
[2:05:40] them to eat this tax savings. I do not
[2:05:42] think that is something that is a
[2:05:44] difficult ask.
[2:05:46] And I think the last item, the A8686 was
[2:05:50] just another recommendation from the
[2:05:52] department head of I miss my toys.
[2:06:16] So this was
[2:06:18] put in half seasonal lab motor
[2:06:22] >> that probably just happened and convert
[2:06:26] I don't know if it does it cleanly but
[2:06:28] we with benefits it could roughly equate
[2:06:32] to half
[2:06:37] » I'm not looking Any
[2:06:44] other questions?
[2:06:55] I I have some question regarding the
[2:06:59] gosp
[2:07:24] page
[2:07:26] >> revenue.
[2:07:36] » Just a clarification on the allowance
[2:07:38] for uncollected tax.
[2:07:42] Which line?
[2:07:46] » Oh, I see it.
[2:07:47] >> 0
[2:07:52] question and if we we're proposing an
[2:07:56] increase in
[2:07:58] real property tax collection and should
[2:08:00] we anticipate lowering the uncollected
[2:08:02] taxes or is there a reason why we have
[2:08:05] it the same as budgeted last year? Um
[2:08:09] well based off your dates um feel
[2:08:12] comfortable it's a certain number
[2:08:18] of last year.
[2:08:20] >> Yeah but we anticipating of you know
[2:08:22] collecting
[2:08:24] higher number from this year until next
[2:08:26] year. So I'm thinking that maybe
[2:08:29] something that we would consider
[2:08:31] lowering that number
[2:08:33] because our exposure is not that
[2:08:36] high.
[2:08:38] on this.
[2:08:39] >> Well, there's two ways to look at it. If
[2:08:40] you
[2:08:43] raise taxes and the number stays the
[2:08:46] same percentage wise, we would increase
[2:08:49] it. It's looking if we're going to do
[2:08:54] more
[2:08:56] collection.
[2:09:00] Derek's done the analysis, which I'm
[2:09:03] comfortable with putting out there,
[2:09:05] doing the foreclosures, other things.
[2:09:08] values for properties are it's an area
[2:09:12] how do we get people to
[2:09:15] pay the taxes
[2:09:17] >> well we have seen a trend I mean people
[2:09:19] are paying taxes that's why we exceed
[2:09:21] our
[2:09:23] uh estimates over the last two years we
[2:09:27] exceed our
[2:09:29] estimates
[2:09:31] property tax collection
[2:09:33] >> two years ago I think we did last year
[2:09:36] was closer drive the estimate.
[2:09:41] » So the trend is because people buying
[2:09:42] houses, the the property values
[2:09:44] increasing, taxes are on paper paying
[2:09:47] and we're selling these houses as fast
[2:09:48] as we can, putting them back on the tax
[2:09:50] rules. So I'm still looking at that
[2:09:54] $2.8 million
[2:09:58] for something for us to consider. Yeah,
[2:10:01] because uh you know
[2:10:06] » raising it.
[2:10:08] >> No, dropping it
[2:10:12] as we collect more taxes the or should
[2:10:15] go down.
[2:10:16] >> But uh we it's something for us. So that
[2:10:19] only
[2:10:21] >> the next one I wanted to talk about is
[2:10:22] the Canada's um excite tax. Mhm.
[2:10:27] >> Do we know how many um stores we have?
[2:10:32] >> Seven.
[2:10:33] >> We may know.
[2:10:34] >> I know.
[2:10:35] >> Seven.
[2:10:38] >> We found them on the state website's
[2:10:41] nine, but two of them central
[2:10:48] » seven. So when we when we started we
[2:10:50] started with one store in sky and we
[2:10:54] see our tax collection was but it was
[2:10:58] the first store in the region. So
[2:11:00] Minneapolis now
[2:11:03] pretty much every municipality has it.
[2:11:06] So I mean with seven seven store in
[2:11:08] Skynct or five store in Skenctity
[2:11:12] $700,000
[2:11:14] >> but the trend the revenue per store has
[2:11:17] dropped as opposed to what that first
[2:11:19] store was.
[2:11:22] >> Don't think we have a breakdown of what
[2:11:23] the revenue was
[2:11:26] added right there.
[2:11:31] » And do we get those quarterly quarterly?
[2:11:34] Uh so the gun
[2:11:42] sometimes
[2:11:45] replay
[2:11:48] asking for the report.
[2:11:51] >> Did somebody ask for a report on this
[2:11:53] fine?
[2:11:54] >> I was asking Well, we're going to find
[2:11:56] the
[2:11:59] >> I have it if you want it.
[2:12:02] gave us. It's uh it was $32,477
[2:12:10] » 302477.38.
[2:12:14] Um which means that that at this year to
[2:12:17] date it was 35.6%.
[2:12:20] >> That's half a year.
[2:12:21] >> Yeah. What's the date of your report?
[2:12:23] This is October 9th.
[2:12:33] [Music]
[2:12:35] But
[2:12:37] if you double that,
[2:12:40] >> okay, then we'd be then we'd be okay.
[2:12:43] >> Well, we'd be okay. So, I know that we
[2:12:47] have seven stores currently, but at what
[2:12:49] point in 2025 will those stores open?
[2:12:51] That becomes question two because if
[2:12:54] they we didn't start 2025 and I don't
[2:12:57] think we did that means that there's
[2:13:00] going to be more revenue because then in
[2:13:02] 2026 we'll have a full year
[2:13:06] and the one at the harbor I'm sure I
[2:13:08] know didn't know wasn't open in January
[2:13:10] um crank kids you know they come through
[2:13:12] the cliff office taking this so the one
[2:13:15] on crank I don't open in January so if
[2:13:19] we're calculating
[2:13:21] calculate when the store's open, how
[2:13:22] much we have. But if we're going in for
[2:13:24] a full year next year, we should be
[2:13:26] looking at that.
[2:13:33] » I just think that different
[2:13:34] municipalities in um just brought sales
[2:13:38] away from
[2:13:40] it may have, but we know what we have
[2:13:42] here. So, we can look at what we have.
[2:13:44] So, I'm not not the ones that open.
[2:13:46] There may be something but we know that
[2:13:48] there are seven right now that open
[2:14:00] the next one I have franchises I mean I
[2:14:04] see $8,000.
[2:14:06] Is there a reason why we dropping that
[2:14:09] money?
[2:14:11] It's something about technology
[2:14:20] spectrum.
[2:14:25] That's the uh I believe
[2:14:28] >> the I'm sorry the what
[2:14:34] » I guess
[2:14:36] 35,000 50,000 what's the whole franchise agreement the higher
[2:14:44] level
[2:14:45] you know some of it is people are giving
[2:14:48] away
[2:14:52] » stream
[2:14:55] M
[2:14:58] >> a lot of that revenue was based on
[2:15:01] cable
[2:15:03] >> and not internet.
[2:15:18] » Okay.
[2:15:25] The the next question I have on revenue
[2:15:27] is delinquent on parking fee.
[2:15:31] I know last year we had discussion with
[2:15:35] the police department and raising this
[2:15:37] fee and then we also touch on those
[2:15:40] outstanding building department tickets
[2:15:43] that we hire outside um collection
[2:15:46] agency
[2:15:48] additional discussion with police
[2:15:49] department. Yeah, I um
[2:15:54] I'm a little concerned that this is only
[2:15:56] $170,000 budget dividend for 2026. I
[2:15:59] thought we were going to be more
[2:16:01] aggressive towards
[2:16:03] here like a couple million dollars that
[2:16:06] they were going to do after I know we're
[2:16:07] not going to get a long but you know try
[2:16:11] to push as far as we can
[2:16:15] parking tickets.
[2:16:17] Which line is
[2:16:18] >> this is a A2610
[2:16:21] M delend parking fine. Those were like
[2:16:24] the old
[2:16:25] 8 million $10 million that people don't
[2:16:28] exist anymore. They were like some newer
[2:16:30] ones that they could say you know we can
[2:16:32] take a chance to go China mail ticket
[2:16:35] and say been hit by
[2:16:39] >> doing those
[2:16:41] I had not seen the most recent revenue
[2:16:45] >> year to date. I think it's like 120
[2:16:50] » 26.
[2:16:52] Well, I have to add all these different
[2:16:56] there's 26 10 a
[2:16:59] M.
[2:17:03] » Some of them like one of them
[2:17:06] is pretty close to reaching it,
[2:17:10] you know, full year.
[2:17:19] Yeah, actually a couple of them are
[2:17:21] >> Yeah, the recovery effort um year to
[2:17:23] date is 122
[2:17:27] >> 122,57.25
[2:17:31] um
[2:17:40] do we need to revisit this effort and
[2:17:42] see what's
[2:17:44] Maybe it could be help.
[2:17:48] What can we do?
[2:17:50] Is the agency that this this recovery
[2:17:53] agency is not
[2:17:56] living up to their expectation? Do we
[2:17:58] need to move on to someone else?
[2:18:02] [Music]
[2:18:04] >> Yeah. When we were talking last year
[2:18:06] about fee, increasing the fee, it was
[2:18:08] one of the the big ticket item
[2:18:19] on a little disappointed.
[2:18:23] Maybe we need to ramp up the effort with
[2:18:25] these billing and quite effective.
[2:18:30] I mean we've been discuss
[2:18:48] the the next item I have a question with
[2:18:50] revenue speed sign and um this is the
[2:18:52] camera on the
[2:18:55] budgeting $23 million um I think actual
[2:19:00] what is our actual police here?
[2:19:06] » I think there's activity going on the
[2:19:08] cameras
[2:19:12] here and there's the bus patrols.
[2:19:14] >> Yes. So the speed cameras
[2:19:16] >> on the buses
[2:19:18] >> they revenue that's coming in.
[2:19:20] >> That's the bus patrol safety fines.
[2:19:22] >> What is that?
[2:19:23] >> Bus patrol patrol safety
[2:19:25] >> 26N which was banned. It's it's it's
[2:19:29] year to date um 243 47.
[2:19:38] » So we're at 40.
[2:19:39] >> Yeah. Sorry.
[2:19:41] >> We're dropping by I mean estimated
[2:19:44] 200,000 miles. So we're thinking that
[2:19:47] based on trend is going to is going to
[2:19:49] lower.
[2:19:50] >> All right.
[2:19:53] >> That's what's happen when you do the
[2:19:54] enforcement.
[2:19:56] blacks.
[2:19:57] >> That's what I think it is too.
[2:19:59] >> That's what I wrote as my note that it
[2:20:00] probably was about increased
[2:20:01] enforcement.
[2:20:04] >> One would hope.
[2:20:07] >> My next question on revenue is the um
[2:20:10] sale of houses.
[2:20:12] >> Let's say we budget 4.5. We're budgeting
[2:20:17] 563 million.
[2:20:20] >> Yeah.
[2:20:22] don't think we can do better in that in
[2:20:24] terms of ramping up sales and achieving
[2:20:26] a higher number of
[2:20:27] >> assuming more people are going to pay
[2:20:28] their taxes. So, we're going to be doing
[2:20:30] less foreclosure.
[2:20:31] >> Well, we do have we're going to have
[2:20:32] some foreclosures.
[2:20:33] >> There's
[2:20:35] >> but the ability to make money on the
[2:20:36] foreclosures is less because that
[2:20:39] federal court case and the change in
[2:20:42] state law.
[2:20:44] Uh the other component where I budgeted
[2:20:47] last year were some of those big ticket
[2:20:52] items that are still out there floating
[2:20:54] that we're hoping to close still this
[2:20:57] year. It's going to be 40
[2:21:00] property sale.
[2:21:07] But if you don't close those sales in
[2:21:09] 2025, we're making a little bit 26. We
[2:21:12] anticipate that it doesn't happen in
[2:21:14] 2025 and budget those those high tickets
[2:21:17] on
[2:21:20] >> kind of like discussion of revenue
[2:21:24] 40
[2:21:26] subject to some litigation.
[2:21:28] I
[2:21:30] feel more confident that that will get
[2:21:32] budgeted in the 25 numbers. That other
[2:21:36] property Roderdam has lifted their
[2:21:41] uh moratorium on solar deployments.
[2:21:45] That's what was going to go in there.
[2:21:47] Mhm.
[2:21:47] >> And uh
[2:21:50] the and the company had the purchase
[2:21:52] offer on I think it's been
[2:21:55] uh less than aggressive in terms of
[2:21:57] closing. I don't know if you've heard
[2:21:59] anything recently on it.
[2:22:02] >> Well, not recently, but we talked about it um
[2:22:10] a while ago
[2:22:12] with it. Do you want me to reach out to
[2:22:14] them? Well, there was the moratorum was
[2:22:18] still in place, right?
[2:22:19] >> And they lifted the moratorum. They
[2:22:21] still have a permanent process now that
[2:22:25] is more restrictive.
[2:22:28] So yeah, we haven't reached out. We
[2:22:29] should reach out to see if they're
[2:22:31] interested or see if there's some other
[2:22:33] option for that track.
[2:22:37] >> Yeah, this potential revenue that we can
[2:22:39] estimate until 2026
[2:22:42] uh help us with this budget. That's a major concern for me because
[2:22:47] yesterday I'm going to have the plan
[2:22:49] foreclosure but I think it's big enough
[2:22:52] but you know getting ready and turning
[2:22:54] them over and expand our tax base at the
[2:22:57] same time selling them and uh making
[2:22:59] some money
[2:23:02] any questions
[2:23:04] >> I just want to say I wouldn't like over
[2:23:08] extend the amount that uh you imagine
[2:23:11] will come in through foreclosures
[2:23:14] like at one point during my time had
[2:23:17] three foreclosures running at the same
[2:23:19] time. Um some of that was because uh
[2:23:24] things were stalled during co
[2:23:26] uh and so then one of them was still
[2:23:29] going the city couldn't couldn't
[2:23:32] foreclose on them at the time and so
[2:23:34] time passed as well while they weren't
[2:23:36] foreclosed on and so there's a lot more
[2:23:38] taxes and interest due on some of those
[2:23:40] properties that had just sat for a while
[2:23:43] because of the moratorum during co so
[2:23:47] that's not going to be the case going
[2:23:48] forward we're going
[2:23:50] like we just keep running each year and
[2:23:54] um all that cleanup work um some of it
[2:23:57] was started prior to mine uh corporation council's
[2:24:03] office it's just not going to exist
[2:24:05] anymore the amount if anything will
[2:24:08] probably you know like mayor said it may
[2:24:11] actually down from last year I guess the
[2:24:13] number
[2:24:15] >> so presently in the court you have a set
[2:24:18] Do you have it set up for closure in the
[2:24:20] court system?
[2:24:22] >> Right now we have one pending and then
[2:24:26] one that's we're probably going to be
[2:24:29] done with pretty soon.
[2:24:31] >> What do you mean the whole court
[2:24:33] judgement?
[2:24:34] >> Yeah, we did the default judgment
[2:24:35] already. So we just have to file the
[2:24:36] motion for summary judgement and that
[2:24:38] will be for the rest of the properties
[2:24:40] in that particular foreclosure. So then
[2:24:42] we have another one that we started um
[2:24:47] recently or earlier this year we filed
[2:24:49] the list. So we've been waiting for
[2:24:51] title reports that's just about done. So
[2:24:54] then we're going to we're going to start
[2:24:55] with the redemption periods and
[2:24:57] eventually we go we go for the judgments
[2:25:01] but the amount due because there's not
[2:25:04] that cleanup anymore properties that
[2:25:06] were lingering through co isn't going to
[2:25:10] be as much because it'll just be a few
[2:25:12] years back instead of some of those
[2:25:14] properties you know five six years it go
[2:25:20] another time you know like when is your
[2:25:21] next uh
[2:25:23] Um so at this point we are going to
[2:25:27] probably in the next month or so we will
[2:25:30] uh we'll file we'll send out the uh
[2:25:33] commencements the notice of commencement
[2:25:35] that begin you start with the list you
[2:25:38] do title reports and then you send out
[2:25:40] the notice of commencement that sets the
[2:25:43] period for redemption. So that'll be you
[2:25:46] have to give 6 months by law you still
[2:25:48] leave me 3 months so that's also
[2:25:49] extending the time. So now they now the
[2:25:52] uh people will get 6 months and then
[2:25:55] from there we would then anyone who
[2:25:57] hasn't paying and a lot of people are
[2:25:59] paying right now um because values have
[2:26:03] gone up most likely uh that I assume
[2:26:06] that's why a lot of people are paying in
[2:26:07] the redemption period which wasn't the
[2:26:10] case to my understanding in the past.
[2:26:12] There'll be so much equity you'll lose
[2:26:14] if they don't want to lose it. And then
[2:26:15] you see all these people trying to
[2:26:17] remain late because the the equity but
[2:26:21] in the end
[2:26:23] the revenue is going to be what it was
[2:26:25] probably.
[2:26:27] >> So I'm looking at the estimator here not picking you on anything but uh one
[2:26:32] two three we talk about one through the
[2:26:35] court another one is filing anticipating
[2:26:38] another one. Do you think that we can
[2:26:40] achieve all three of that foreclosure by
[2:26:42] the end of next year?
[2:26:44] >> So, right now there's two. They're worth
[2:26:46] it. At one point it is going. Now there
[2:26:48] was two, but though one of them we're
[2:26:52] going to wrap up the motion might just
[2:26:53] have to review it. That one we already
[2:26:56] did the default. So we just have to make
[2:26:58] the summary judgement. There's like six
[2:26:59] or seven properties, not a lot of
[2:27:00] properties that that's it for that one.
[2:27:03] So then we just have the one that's
[2:27:05] coming up. We we're only going to have
[2:27:06] one at this point. Mhm.
[2:27:09] >> Does that answer your question?
[2:27:10] >> One one set
[2:27:12] >> one foreclosure.
[2:27:14] >> It has to be on the list unless you do
[2:27:17] >> um but certainly
[2:27:19] you you have you can you have to
[2:27:21] forclose at certain time periods. So
[2:27:23] that's why multiple especi multiple
[2:27:25] going especially because of time
[2:27:27] constraints because of I inherited one
[2:27:30] and then others it just took time.
[2:27:32] >> So are we still waiting on three years
[2:27:34] or are we the two years starting?
[2:27:37] Um, it's in the city code. I I think
[2:27:40] it's either I think it's three years,
[2:27:43] >> you know, Derek. I think it's three
[2:27:44] years.
[2:27:45] >> Residential is different than
[2:27:46] commercial.
[2:27:47] >> Yeah, residential is three. Commercial
[2:27:48] is two.
[2:27:49] >> Yes.
[2:27:50] >> Um, and anything that's at the time
[2:27:54] that's ready soal ready for, you know,
[2:27:57] we include on the list.
[2:28:01] >> No, I'm trying to guess like
[2:28:05] an exact number. We don't
[2:28:06] >> I'm going to say okay one to two in the
[2:28:09] courts another one is filing we can
[2:28:10] achieve all of that until 202
[2:28:14] one of them wrapped up the second one is
[2:28:16] almost wrapped up
[2:28:17] >> and then the third one is basically at
[2:28:19] the beginning
[2:28:20] >> so all all those foreclosure will be
[2:28:24] into 20 potential 2026 sales
[2:28:28] >> yes
[2:28:32] » I'm asking my question because I'm
[2:28:34] looking at that that estim
[2:28:37] some of those likely in the 27.
[2:28:40] >> Yeah, that's true.
[2:28:43] >> All right, that's something for us to u
[2:28:45] to look at and to
[2:28:48] I'm highlighting those kind of stuff um
[2:28:51] that we can we can talk about in terms
[2:28:53] of revenue.
[2:28:56] The other um the one I have is on the
[2:28:59] mortgage tax and the reason why I flag
[2:29:01] on that property value which is going up
[2:29:05] mortgage is going to be higher.
[2:29:07] It's not like before we sell out to
[2:29:09] $50,000 and we're going to get $500
[2:29:12] mortgage back.
[2:29:13] >> The numbers are pretty much high now. So
[2:29:17] based on that trend I'm looking at I
[2:29:19] think we can reconsider that number
[2:29:21] based on the house
[2:29:24] >> sale that is on page 12 second line
[2:29:28] 83005
[2:29:30] mortgage tax it is something a friend
[2:29:32] across and screen is fortunate with the
[2:29:35] house for sale
[2:29:38] and people buying and buying at a higher
[2:29:41] and you know competitive price of a
[2:29:43] building driving up the taxes says the
[2:29:47] mortgage facts
[2:29:55] » and a trend in interest rates going to
[2:29:57] continue down in the near future.
[2:30:00] >> Near future.
[2:30:02] >> So
[2:30:05] I don't know if it's going to drop
[2:30:06] enough so you're going to see
[2:30:08] refinancing
[2:30:09] but you will see some revenue for that.
[2:30:13] >> Yes. So if you want to review it, we're
[2:30:15] more than that.
[2:30:16] >> Yeah, I can say because I was looking at
[2:30:17] the trend in terms of the salivity. I
[2:30:20] looked at the the report coming in a lot
[2:30:22] of a lot of houses are being 300,000ish
[2:30:26] >> more than that. So with that particular
[2:30:28] mortgage obviously the mortgage tax is
[2:30:31] going up.
[2:30:32] >> Yeah. So something that beneficial to
[2:30:35] us. So that's a line making um frequency
[2:30:39] that I think that I'm already
[2:30:42] and that's it. That's what I have for
[2:30:45] revenue. I mean anybody else have um go
[2:30:48] ahead please question revenue. Um do we
[2:30:51] increase our total search charge like
[2:30:53] the fees for people that we do that
[2:30:56] >> what line? Um A1789
[2:31:00] page 9.
[2:31:06] » Well, yeah, right now I'm just looking
[2:31:08] at the sign
[2:31:14] contract agreements and renegotiating.
[2:31:18] >> Okay. That based on the contract, not
[2:31:21] based on what it cost.
[2:31:27] So, so the circuit is going to be fast
[2:31:28] for long. Is that
[2:31:30] >> Well, yeah. I'm just It's doubling.
[2:31:32] >> It's It's doubling. That's pretty
[2:31:34] significant. Um,
[2:31:37] and I was just wondering why that is.
[2:31:39] You're saying that we're renegotiating
[2:31:41] to contract right now.
[2:31:44] >> Not right now. That's what the police
[2:31:46] department is looking to do future
[2:31:52] » in the future. 26
[2:31:57] When would that happen in 26? Because I
[2:31:59] mean it's a double bid when contract
[2:32:02] negotiated.
[2:32:04] Do you know when that negotiation
[2:32:06] happened?
[2:32:07] >> I don't know that timeline.
[2:32:08] >> Could you give us that information?
[2:32:11] >> That would be chief
[2:32:14] >> chief or chief clifford to come back
[2:32:19] to give you the theory behind that
[2:32:21] number.
[2:32:22] I mean or you know I don't know if they
[2:32:25] could they could just shoot an email too
[2:32:26] if they want to not have to
[2:32:31] » I'm sure they look forward to
[2:32:34] any time to spend time with us
[2:32:37] looking for company
[2:32:42] would like to discuss the details of
[2:32:43] contract negotiations related to the
[2:32:46] agreement we could go into executive
[2:32:49] >> okay
[2:32:53] Sorry.
[2:32:57] » In the morning. So if you have any legal
[2:32:59] questions, I can answer that.
[2:33:02] >> Yes.
[2:33:04] >> One more.
[2:33:05] >> Next question I have is CDBG revenue.
[2:33:07] >> Me too. That was going to be my
[2:33:08] favorite.
[2:33:08] >> How how do we get comfortable with CD CD
[2:33:12] CDP revenue?
[2:33:15] Does it always have to be outside of the
[2:33:18] budget inside
[2:33:22] or unlock? It's a separate grant that
[2:33:24] comes in and there's two aspects of it.
[2:33:26] What do we use internally for city
[2:33:29] operations and what do we award to
[2:33:32] community groups, other projects or
[2:33:35] other vendors?
[2:33:39] » Some of this
[2:33:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. Page 10 page 10. Yes. But
[2:33:44] that's all that is um
[2:33:47] >> accounted for here. That's all the
[2:33:49] revenue whatever the city received.
[2:33:51] >> Yeah. That align with sports development
[2:33:55] staff.
[2:33:56] >> Yeah. SNAP finance development for
[2:34:00] >> revenue lines and then one is completely
[2:34:03] removed this year.
[2:34:05] >> I think it was we had budgeted last
[2:34:07] year. estimates. Sorry, estimated last
[2:34:08] year was
[2:34:10] some of that's new to clean out uh
[2:34:14] foreclosures
[2:34:16] and
[2:34:19] the departments did not cross build it.
[2:34:21] So, there's surplus in that account. So,
[2:34:23] we're looking for the round of
[2:34:24] foreclosure to use that to
[2:34:28] clean out the houses
[2:34:31] and
[2:34:32] Alison's going to put together
[2:34:36] some more contractors that would benefit
[2:34:40] from that.
[2:34:43] >> So, the cleaning up these properties,
[2:34:46] it would be um contracted out.
[2:34:49] Yeah, it's a good people.
[2:34:53] They don't know our new garbage fees and
[2:34:54] they don't want the stickers and they
[2:34:57] leave a lot of stuff in the houses. So,
[2:34:59] we have to clean them out.
[2:35:04] » Some days to make the house more
[2:35:06] attractive. Unfortunately, under the
[2:35:08] rules we work under, they will sell for
[2:35:11] more, but we won't necessarily reap the
[2:35:14] benefits of it.
[2:35:16] Well, and this is going back to our
[2:35:18] discussion over the years in terms of
[2:35:22] documenting all across and that is still
[2:35:25] being tracked across
[2:35:27] >> police, fire,
[2:35:30] >> os,
[2:35:31] department.
[2:35:34] So I mean it is something that we talk
[2:35:36] about in terms of tracking our cost. So
[2:35:39] sometimes I'm kind of like worried about
[2:35:41] if we can track the cost and the time
[2:35:43] that we have spent through all the work
[2:35:45] associated with this battery life. I
[2:35:47] think we might break even if someone to
[2:35:50] know to come and say well we have x
[2:35:52] amount of money but I hope that that is
[2:35:54] tracked and preserved
[2:35:57] for future
[2:35:58] >> doing a very good job because I want to
[2:36:00] get every dollar we can out of the
[2:36:02] sales.
[2:36:03] >> Exactly. And because we do not want to
[2:36:05] give back,
[2:36:07] >> our hearing date is zero on both those
[2:36:08] lines on a safe.
[2:36:13] » Well, I was wondering about that also.
[2:36:15] Um,
[2:36:16] >> why is that?
[2:36:20] » That would be development question. Why
[2:36:22] it's not being drawn down?
[2:36:27] » Can you can you find it for us, please?
[2:36:29] Wasn't
[2:36:29] >> as a followup question.
[2:36:31] >> Wasn't this and I'm could be wrong.
[2:36:34] Wasn't this like in a different
[2:36:35] department at one point?
[2:36:37] >> Maybe this is movable to development.
[2:36:39] No,
[2:36:40] >> no, this this is always
[2:36:42] >> No, not okay.
[2:36:44] >> The money
[2:36:46] but different department like finance
[2:36:48] gets paid some staff.
[2:36:51] >> Sure.
[2:36:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[2:36:58] is that real.
[2:37:04] » Thank you.
[2:37:05] >> Mayor, we currently have someone who's
[2:37:07] uh we consult to to give us the
[2:37:11] estimate. Is that still on?
[2:37:14] >> Estimate is for
[2:37:16] >> to to list the property.
[2:37:18] So, it is still done in house
[2:37:23] outside the county director.
[2:37:29] You're still on the homes thing.
[2:37:30] >> Yeah.
[2:37:31] >> Instead of CDBG.
[2:37:32] >> CDBG. Yeah. CDBG.
[2:37:36] >> Yeah. Cuz that's if we don't get that
[2:37:38] revenue.
[2:37:40] >> I thought it was something before us in
[2:37:42] terms of um hiring someone to help us
[2:37:45] with estimating some
[2:37:48] different things. Yeah.
[2:37:51] >> Then put something out.
[2:37:54] Okay. Okay.
[2:38:01] » Okay.
[2:38:04] All right.
[2:38:06] I'm looking at everybody there. So, I'm
[2:38:09] going to I think we should the
[2:38:13] >> one last simple question. No, go ahead.
[2:38:15] There's one last general question around
[2:38:18] >> I see like like so
[2:38:21] kind in line with the CBG money. It's
[2:38:23] like I see the grants showing up like
[2:38:26] for like the police
[2:38:28] >> but um in other So are all of our grants
[2:38:32] reported are we reporting all our grants
[2:38:34] as revenue or is it just we're putting
[2:38:37] grants as revenues that we can like use
[2:38:39] and pull down funds to fund a position?
[2:38:41] Like I'm just wondering like is there a
[2:38:44] distinction that's being made and like
[2:38:46] where would some of that other grant
[2:38:48] money cuz I know that there's more grant
[2:38:50] money coming into the city than this and
[2:38:52] what this reflects.
[2:38:54] >> Um I think it's a majority though it
[2:38:57] depends. Um you see there's new grants
[2:39:00] that the police are showing within
[2:39:03] Strive. So there's some that may trickle
[2:39:06] in that are not reported in here but
[2:39:09] they come in throughout the year.
[2:39:12] >> Mhm.
[2:39:12] >> Um so they might not be shown within the
[2:39:15] post budget.
[2:39:17] >> So I mean most of those are
[2:39:19] unless you have a specific question on
[2:39:22] those are kind of the reoccurring ones.
[2:39:24] When we get a new grant it's yes we want
[2:39:27] to get it but it's not like
[2:39:29] >> it's all revenue. There's an expense
[2:39:32] associated with it. So you're going to
[2:39:34] lose the incoming money to pay for
[2:39:36] something.
[2:39:37] >> Certainly.
[2:39:38] >> And that's, you know,
[2:39:41] we apply for a lot of grants. They can't
[2:39:43] accept a grant until we go back to the
[2:39:45] city council and uh make a budget
[2:39:48] amendment to
[2:39:50] formally take it.
[2:39:52] >> I guess let me direct
[2:39:54] that. Is that are you confident that all
[2:39:57] the grants that we're receiving are
[2:39:59] showing the mass revenue in this report?
[2:40:01] That's a side of the question.
[2:40:04] >> Pretty confident and discussion with the
[2:40:06] police department. Very confident as
[2:40:08] well on the grass.
[2:40:10] >> I wasn't just talking about the police
[2:40:11] department.
[2:40:13] >> Um so Mr. I did ask for and they did
[2:40:16] send and I thought we all had it that
[2:40:19] asking for all the grants that they had
[2:40:21] um and how much it would go into 25
[2:40:25] would go into 26. And generally
[2:40:27] speaking, when they um send when they
[2:40:29] present sort of the grant before
[2:40:31] submission is going to go to staffing.
[2:40:34] So I think that's where a lot of it
[2:40:35] shows up. Um I guess we can get the
[2:40:37] breakdown. I know we have every time we
[2:40:39] get grant, but if you want a breakdown
[2:40:41] of how much like actually goes into
[2:40:43] staffing and then goes into this budget
[2:40:45] or other places in the budget. Is that
[2:40:47] what you're asking? No, I guess a more a
[2:40:51] broader question around like how are we
[2:40:53] making the distinction of what shows up
[2:40:54] in grand funding as revenue or not. So
[2:40:58] that's what I was trying to figure out
[2:40:59] here. Yeah. And that question bigger
[2:41:02] money,
[2:41:05] you know, the big chunks of money. So it
[2:41:08] also goes to what you determine to do
[2:41:12] with the fund balance is most of those
[2:41:15] grants there's none of them just give us
[2:41:18] the money
[2:41:19] >> right we have to
[2:41:21] >> expend the money and then get reimbursed
[2:41:25] >> most of the state government some of the
[2:41:27] federal
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[2:41:37] Sorry.
[2:41:40] Are we anticipating any surplus on from
[2:41:44] CDP?
[2:41:47] » What else?
[2:41:48] >> I know that's that's a lot.
[2:41:51] >> I hope everybody looks up to exactly
[2:41:53] what the contract is. The reality is
[2:41:57] it's always a little bit of variance
[2:41:59] there where one's a little under the
[2:42:03] one's a little bit over.
[2:42:05] But do you have specifics or
[2:42:08] >> No, it was just a broad statement
[2:42:09] interpret. I was just looking at if this
[2:42:12] can be put into maybe stop stop and
[2:42:17] remember in those categories there's
[2:42:20] caps in terms of the public service and
[2:42:22] other things. So if
[2:42:25] There is a grant in one of the lines.
[2:42:29] More than likely, we have to been
[2:42:32] expended on a similar type of program
[2:42:35] either within that agency or a similar
[2:42:38] agency
[2:42:42] like youth programs for example.
[2:42:46] social because revenue revenue is what's
[2:42:49] going to drive
[2:42:50] >> everything here and if we can address
[2:42:53] all the all the expenditure but if we
[2:42:55] don't address the revenue we're nowhere
[2:42:58] so one has to learn us out the other
[2:43:02] thing I want to talk about this I had a
[2:43:05] conversation I was asking a question to
[2:43:06] the
[2:43:08] in terms of the aggressive approach and
[2:43:11] amusing officers and less speed time 3
[2:43:14] to 7. They're kind of doing the what
[2:43:17] they call the license plate readers
[2:43:18] scanning people without standing parking
[2:43:20] ticket or people in the parking wrong
[2:43:23] side and things like that in the morning
[2:43:25] now when they rush for a call and
[2:43:28] they've been generating some pretty good
[2:43:31] 6 to9 $69,000 for 4 hour detail with
[2:43:36] three and three offices working.
[2:43:38] >> Yes.
[2:43:38] >> So I have to commend them for this. And
[2:43:41] >> that's some of the technology the other
[2:43:45] >> this was shared to this was shared to
[2:43:47] everyone.
[2:43:47] >> No
[2:43:48] >> I did I don't think so.
[2:43:51] >> I don't think so.
[2:43:52] >> I am going to share it. Um we can bring in stuff to talk about
[2:43:58] the uh the recovery
[2:44:01] either tomorrow or Wednesday
[2:44:05] just
[2:44:08] to kind of give us a brief on where it
[2:44:10] stands on what uh what different
[2:44:12] approach we can take in terms of this
[2:44:14] recovery. But um I have to say that I
[2:44:17] mean additional revenue is coming in
[2:44:18] there really. So you multiply this
[2:44:20] $69,000 survey for 6 days a week over
[2:44:25] 365 days. So we have to look at what
[2:44:29] they're doing here in terms of the line
[2:44:31] for the
[2:44:33] >> the fines parking.
[2:44:35] >> So that is something here we have
[2:44:36] $900,000 budgeted there. I mean and they
[2:44:39] continue by this aggressive approach. So
[2:44:41] the people who are not paying their ticket which which we are doing
[2:44:45] here in I think we should look at the
[2:44:48] numbers
[2:44:50] uh adjust
[2:44:54] » I'm just always pretty cautious about
[2:44:56] you know I don't want to over um
[2:44:59] estimate revenue.
[2:45:00] >> Well it's an estimate.
[2:45:02] of hoping that we can
[2:45:04] achieve it and that's what that's what
[2:45:06] >> that one sounds really reasonable
[2:45:07] >> but anyone that you want to review more
[2:45:09] happy review it some of these estimates
[2:45:12] were put in
[2:45:14] >> in June July so we have
[2:45:19] >> 60 days more information terms of
[2:45:21] collections and some of them hopefully
[2:45:24] they're all going up for revenue times
[2:45:26] that's not always the case
[2:45:28] >> we always hope it's an estimate how many
[2:45:31] adjustable D we achieve it. Um if we
[2:45:33] don't achieve it then we make amends and
[2:45:35] then we move things around in the
[2:45:37] future.
[2:45:38] >> I think we just each department has to
[2:45:41] continue to drive that to you know
[2:45:45] revenue
[2:45:46] police department uh is doing it
[2:45:51] expand more in terms of collection
[2:45:52] across the board.
[2:45:57] Any other questions?
[2:46:01] See none, we can reconvene tomorrow 5:30
[2:46:05] right here room 1.
[2:46:10] So the expectations for tomorrow's
[2:46:12] meeting is that finally like announce
[2:46:16] and start to put figures in place.
[2:46:20] a few more meetings and we have that
[2:46:22] meeting
[2:46:25] tomorrow. I'll adjust some things from
[2:46:29] here.
[2:46:32] Sorry.
[2:46:34] >> Will we do that?
[2:46:35] >> I encourage everyone please come to the
[2:46:39] table. There's nothing.
[2:46:41] Ask questions, make suggestion. We we
[2:46:45] need to to identify revenue and how we
[2:46:48] can outset the cost as we look to be
[2:46:52] flexible and achieve something. The goal
[2:46:55] is to to have a budget this week. So
[2:46:58] let's just come to the table. Let's be
[2:47:00] flexible as well and ask question.
[2:47:02] Please reach out to the mayor.
[2:47:04] Reach out to me and let's have your
[2:47:07] question. Have your subject on the
[2:47:09] table.
[2:47:12] open to recess 5:30 tomorrow afternoon.
[2:47:15] >> So much.
[2:47:16] >> All in favor? I thank you.
[2:47:31] » Hey, this was
[2:47:35] scary.
[2:47:51] I I can't because it was sent
[2:47:56] to
[2:48:00] Can I give you this back?
[2:48:02] >> Thank you very much.
[2:48:11] What? Oh,
[2:54:42] Hey, hey.
[2:54:48] hey.
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