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I'm not sure that I have to verify

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the management. Oh,

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>> have one more thing about landing

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involvers. So, I'm looking at the budget

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exactly

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so what's in here currently is we so

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that's the two that from the five that

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was last year the last budget for the

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seven that's currently showing

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>> five to seven.

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>> And those five never left.

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the proposed management rates.

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» Are there any questions in particular

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about the reason for the conditions

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of receipts

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here? Now I I asked for this report just

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for comparison

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to look at the for us to look at dollar

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» and it's going to cost us about $90,000

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>> No, sorry.

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>> No, that's not it. That's just going to

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asked complete breakdown how much it's

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going to cost us 2026

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over all races.

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and do the delta between the two 20 256

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it's probably located closer to 3%

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increase. Um, only a few slacks.

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but we'll get to that information again

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mask.

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was broken up by general fund and then

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couple notes the OS commissioners they

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were completing the general water sewer

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funds now uh to help out with the

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general fund spenders um they're just

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now split funds that they just had um so

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that's why you see a big jump in that so

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don't be alarmed in that That's a 3%

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increase uh from their rhythm sound

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um the same uh thing is for the let's

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CS CCA raises. Uh there's some that

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staff now that are receiving uh lower

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salaries than uh CCA members

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by contract.

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>> And these aren't new position. These are

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just raises on the current position.

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>> And these are all management position

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or exclude from CSA.

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raises in is to uh for the reason like I

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stated the CCA increases uh management.

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purchasing supervisor uh if you look in

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that code um uh payable clerk is

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currently making more this year than um

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salary,000 for that individual.

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asked for the report to show the

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management prices that is outside of

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CSEA.

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>> They said all management.

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more than 3% comparing CSV.

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>> So is that report is all management?

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the difference between 2025 and 2026.

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with our proposal from the council.

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you spoke of the administrative

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assistant to keep up with the CSEA

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races, are we

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responsible to do that? Is there

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anything or is it just so that,

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you know, do we have to do that?

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probably stop becoming manager and stay

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in the union position for the city. Uh I

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council should look at other contracts,

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fire, police and other unions and really

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see how much they're making. Um because

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we're going to pick that it's really

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don't want someone

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to make you know correct more than their

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supervisor which I think I might feel

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going to ask about all the rates that

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are over 3% and on page on the first

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page I had the accounting supervisor for

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the supervisor at 12% supervisor rece

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seats at 17, um purchasing supervis,

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9:00. So, um if you just kind of like

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secretary, uh that's for the mayor's

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office that has to keep in line with the

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executive secretary. That's a C member

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uh in the police department.

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the uh sup the accounting supervisor and

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supervisor for seats. They are two

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essential department heads within the

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city. Uh and this matches their

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counterparts and other um levels of um

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department heads within the city. So

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within the city, right? Correct. So

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these numbers are in line with other

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department heads at their level.

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>> What line are you talking about right

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now? Who are you talking about?

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>> Accounting supervisor. Supervisor overseas.

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counterparts is the assessment city

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assessor.

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these uh dollars increased to this

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that um I understand we're taking into

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account their positions. Are we also

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taking into account their longevity? How

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long you know because

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for a period of time.

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one's between 20 25 years.

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positions or anything but I think that

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it would be helpful if it seems like Mr.

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little different with this report. I

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would it would also be helpful to look

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at like what raises were given for these

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the percentage of raises that were given

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for these positions um in 2024 as well.

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management positions or just um

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here in the spreadsheet that just

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reflects that. So therefore we can have

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the total fur management salary 25 yes

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already clarified it or or uh Derek

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clarified it that um because when during

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their presentations, these folks had

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department head when they presented to

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we were talking about longevity of the

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disposition. The

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regard. I think Sam

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hired

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management individual.

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recommendation

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uh from the OJS commissioner the deputy

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commissioner for the skill set that has

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um and my discussion of that was on call

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thing um is the post budget and it

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should be cheap

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right before the general.

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» So So we're going to add um 20 24.

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to do the difference between 2026 and

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2025 in terms of dollar amount. Anything

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else needed on this report? You want to

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total the column

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>> and then a total at the bottom of the

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column. Yes.

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>> Which I said 24

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>> adopted 24 adopted 25.

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>> Yes. Yes.

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>> And we just do uh comparisons between 25

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and 26 in dollar amount and then

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>> Okay. Do you want the water, sewer and

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golf? Cuz are we just looking strictly

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at general fund? everything the entire

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» and and these are all filled, right? I

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160 to 100 and there was a $3,000 for

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that position.

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Okay. And my other question was on the

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commission of public service. I see that

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it was 84% increase

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your top

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public service. Yes, that was I bought

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on my first uh first department.

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>> So that should be 3% from that. That's

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fire budget. Okay.

292
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But it was just a small typo

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>> in that line. It should be 3%.

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>> Yes,

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>> it's on the bottom of the previous page.

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I think

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>> that's that's the correct amount on the

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bottom of the uh first page. Uh rows up

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>> that small.

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Gotcha. Thank you.

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Actually,

302
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I'm sorry because now it's already gone

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upstairs, but Oh, no, it doesn't. Yep.

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Sorry.

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» The other document that we had there to

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see on yesterday, there was a

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conversation between the parks.

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>> Yeah. and the delinquent

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tickets.

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So this is the

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>> two pages and

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it shows where we are in terms of the

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recovery effort

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20,000 that I mentioned yesterday

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and then the other page um they show

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that the activity that

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um the approach to

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without standing it's not clear where

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you're speaking

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>> the other factor

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the sent to us yesterday.

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>> No, this is separate. I discussed this

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yesterday, but we didn't we didn't bring

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this out.

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>> You're copy of this. This has to do with

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a PD from um

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assistant chief. Okay.

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>> Brian Little

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and we talk about the activity that

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they're doing in terms of outstanding

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ticket during the per 4hour period.

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>> Mhm. and they show the revenue that

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they're generating

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>> which is significant. So if you were to

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do our math within our welfare, we're

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talking about a significant stop here.

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>> So my question to get requested that the

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police be here?

339
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>> I don't see them here. Um did everybody

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uh follow up?

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I think I sent an out to the police uh

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today. Uh

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and from what the chief has stated is

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that

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the parking revenue is in line with

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what's expected is currently the highest

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been years. Uh that's the quick

348
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statement.

349
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>> That's interesting.

350
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>> Uh regarding toes um this is the uh toe

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increases in response to RA revenue

352
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to raise the toe search charge and

353
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deprive it until the contract be

354
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renegotiated.

355
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I I I don't think that was a question.

356
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The question was more of central we hire

357
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capital recovery to help us with the

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collection effort

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>> and when we discussed last year with the

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fee they were saying that the approach

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that they're going to be taking was a

362
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more aggressive approach approach and

363
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they're going to be using capital

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recovery to help us process and the

365
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number that was quoted was very

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significant in terms of the returns. So

367
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that's why I want to ask him where is

368
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the shortfall of what do we need to do

369
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as a council? How can we step in and

370
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help what I was asking last night in

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terms of what do we need to do at the

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council

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and to help along the process and to

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kind of speed it up because yes we have

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millions of dollars of spending that we

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were promised to recover. Now they will

377
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check it but the new ones.

378
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>> You're saying that not the older takes

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but

380
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>> the old some of them are in the millions

381
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but they're like 10 years. Okay.

382
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>> So, people pass on

383
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those are like

384
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>> might not be able to

385
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>> Yeah. less likely.

386
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>> So, we're focusing on the millions of

387
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dollar of the the new ones and the new

388
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takeout stocking for kids and so I I do

389
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remember that well some of that

390
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conversation. So, they

391
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essentially

392
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told us that they'd be able to recover.

393
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We're nowhere even near that right now.

394
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>> That Yes. and and occur and so we need

395
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how much are we paying?

396
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>> Well, that's what I want to know.

397
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>> They get percentage of what they

398
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collect. So, we're not losing any.

399
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So, so

400
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>> well I I don't want us to kind of you

401
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know hire a company and we're expecting

402
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them to collect some if there shortfall

403
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you need to know because this is that

404
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we're anticipating

405
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>> correct

406
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>> and if we're getting shortfall and it

407
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affect our budget year after year if

408
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it's not working then we need to come

409
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up.

410
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>> Mhm. it just

411
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but I think it's a significant line that

412
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we need to look at and I think we need

413
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to increase it and I think we need to

414
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work with the police department

415
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to have a more

416
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high level approach of how we do with

417
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recovery and assistant

418
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>> and I find um

419
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I feel like uh there was a very large

420
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number of uncollected parking fines um

421
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not not the revenue that we expected

422
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versus what we actually have here.

423
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>> Most of the reports from last year if

424
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you look at your reports on last year it

425
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was it was it was like over $100,000 I

426
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think that was uncollected

427
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>> in it's $170,000 in this.

428
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>> Yeah, it's millions of dollars.

429
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>> 2016

430
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millions of dollars uncollected park

431
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ticket.

432
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>> Oh

433
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fenders.

434
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>> That's what we want to help. We you know

435
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we're not saying that they're not doing

436
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a good job. They're doing a good job. We

437
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just need to um you know to step in and

438
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see where where help is needed. Maybe we

439
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need a new um collection um agency.

440
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,880
>> I don't know. But I think we need to

441
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explore it.

442
00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:25,440
>> What is our year to date? I see what we

443
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budgeted last year. We're budgeting

444
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30,000 more this year.

445
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Oh,

446
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,200
revenue loan. It's a 2610

447
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is what Mr.

448
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>> Our

449
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is 122.

450
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>> That's all we are now.

451
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>> Yes.

452
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>> So, we didn't even reach maybe

453
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>> 140.

454
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>> We're upping it by 30,000.

455
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,520
>> It's actually

456
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better do something.

457
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,240
>> Wait a minute. That that line 2610

458
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though we're only 20. I'm looking at the

459
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report that was generated on October

460
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9th, but um we've got almost 80% of the

461
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re we're at 80% of the budget. We still

462
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have, you know, November and December,

463
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most of October, November, and December.

464
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So, wouldn't that be in line if they

465
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continue doing it when we hit the 100%?

466
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>> Estimated to be close, too. It's going

467
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to be actually that number at the end of

468
00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:30,640
the year. Bless you.

469
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,960
Well, it's it's not a line estimate

470
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if we exceed it.

471
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>> Oh, it's a good thing.

472
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>> No, no, I think the goal in my hand and

473
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I'm trying to get at is that we need to

474
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exceed that. Not because we budgeted,

475
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let's say for $140,000. Well, we should

476
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,760
only achieve $140,000.

477
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We should achieve 1.5.4 million of all

478
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the outstanding $10 million plus.

479
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And when we budgeted that, did we budget

480
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that based on what they presented their

481
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ability to do or was that based on

482
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conservative? I guess

483
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:05,679
>> that's what I wanted them to give us a

484
00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:07,520
snapshot. Hey,

485
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,120
>> is that what you budgeted? Can you

486
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,640
budget more

487
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,760
>> or why did you arrive at 70,000?

488
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Can the expectation be more than that?

489
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H.

490
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>> So what's in the book

491
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on the

492
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six on the

493
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>> You have a copy?

494
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>> I I do now.

495
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>> Yeah. So if you look at there I don't

496
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,280
want to kind of throw those numbers out.

497
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,720
Where would that Where would that be

498
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,400
under? Would that be under parking

499
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,630
fines?

500
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,880
» This is over 69,000.

501
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,520
>> Yes. Would that be on the parking lines?

502
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,750
Next question.

503
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» Which line?

504
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,200
>> You believe that would be um but if

505
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,880
we're going to talk about the link we

506
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,559
see a command statement tomorrow at the

507
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meeting um discuss the parking and then

508
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these maps

509
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I'm sure person.

510
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>> Yeah because if you look at the the

511
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proposed 2026 um Taliban there for what

512
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320
is on the slide here.

513
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We're a million dollars up.

514
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:28,400
» This is this is real.

515
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>> That's that's

516
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,720
actually

517
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so we just need them to come in. I can't

518
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,000
agree. But yes, they sent this to me.

519
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840
But I think the benefit for the entire

520
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,720
council to kind of have a better

521
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,400
understanding and to kind of interact

522
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with the community because this is if we

523
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,440
look at these two item here, it could be

524
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,960
significant revenue that we can

525
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,240
estimate. It's all it's an estimate and

526
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,000
we just need to make sure that the

527
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department did work towards um those

528
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,720
estimates

529
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>> and um what what would be the

530
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approximate overtime for three officers

531
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,120
for four hours?

532
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,240
>> Sorry,

533
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,400
>> what would be the approximate overtime

534
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200
for three officers for four hours each 5

535
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,120
days a week? Any idea?

536
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,240
>> There's multiple

537
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,600
>> I know depending on rank and file,

538
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,880
>> right?

539
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280
A lot of times don't right now

540
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,159
>> high ranks take the local

541
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,480
uh between those hours. Um just

542
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,919
wondering out of that $69,000 are we

543
00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:33,190
giving back?

544
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,400
» Just wondering what it means that we

545
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,559
already pay him we already have it in

546
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the budget.

547
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,400
>> It's already in the budget.

548
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,640
>> So it's cost that we already

549
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,799
>> absorbed right absorbed for this.

550
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:44,960
>> So this is like revenue coming in. If

551
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,640
for example they didn't go to do this we

552
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,880
still have to pay. Absolutely.

553
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,039
>> So this is more of a additional or new

554
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:54,960
revenue additional revenue coming.

555
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,880
>> Not really though, right? Because even

556
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600
though it's it's budgeted for over time,

557
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,840
they won't have to use it

558
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,799
>> if they budget it. I mean use

559
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:05,600
>> Yeah. I'm just saying.

560
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>> But I'm saying that if they're not they

561
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,440
generate revenue, it's not directly

562
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
coming out from the revenue. It's coming

563
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,990
out from

564
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Okay. Yeah.

565
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:23,360
So, we're going to need to follow up with

566
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,600
the PD and that is something that we

567
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,039
should consider as the council and can

568
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:28,720
we consider additional revenue to be

569
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,000
added to those two loans.

570
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,159
Um the next one we asked for CDG

571
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:40,000
>> what's going on with uh DDG and in terms

572
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720
of everything else in terms of uh

573
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,960
surplus in terms of where the money is

574
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,080
the revenue is being booked. So for I

575
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,520
know there's discussion about codes and

576
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,320
snap um so department

577
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,520
uh above and beyond functions in order

578
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,600
to utilize the CPC function. Um

579
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,960
maybe again it may be a good idea to

580
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,360
have those department heads in another

581
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,480
budget hearing meeting discuss uh as

582
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,159
well as have the director of development

583
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:15,200
discuss why we're not reaching our goals

584
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840
and those lines.

585
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,230
So, can we set that up for tomorrow?

586
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,559
» Let's see if they're available

587
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,510
>> because we're not meeting in ter

588
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,640
if we could

589
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,000
>> that's like a half a million dollars

590
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,400
that we could take out of the

591
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,400
>> Y

592
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,960
exactly. That's actually I'm sorry.

593
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,520
That's

594
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,279
>> bring revenue. Bring

595
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,440
>> That's revenue. So, if we're not making

596
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,919
that revenue,

597
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,880
>> well, what I'm I don't think we're not

598
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,320
making a revenue.

599
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,919
>> We want to know where where is the

600
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,360
allocation?

601
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,000
>> Uh if we if we're not spending money,

602
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,159
can we bring that money back into the

603
00:25:58,159 --> 00:26:03,269
city?

604
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,640
» I don't think so.

605
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720
>> Yeah.

606
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,039
>> We go ahead. I thought the discussion

607
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,600
yesterday from council was why are those

608
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,760
lines at 0% usage? Uh I think it was

609
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,679
snap and

610
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,039
>> no it wasn't zero.

611
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,600
>> Yeah. I need the only one with zero snap

612
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,240
>> two specific

613
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,400
>> two snap code enforcement

614
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,559
>> 217

615
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,679
>> earlier I had a conversation about CDBG

616
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:35,919
funding positions in I don't touch but I

617
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:39,039
agree it was with understandable

618
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:39,840
zero

619
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,720
>> yes

620
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,360
>> so I'm looking at the the revenue here

621
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,039
>> 2026

622
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:49,039
>> Mhm. Mhm. And under SNAP zero under code

623
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,600
enforcement is 100,000 under finance is

624
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,960
65,000

625
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,600
>> and under development is 570. So that

626
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
there's only one that is zero. No

627
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,350
enforce

628
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,880
I think was enforcement and finance and

629
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,440
snap and code. Okay. SNAP and code. This

630
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,640
year SNAP doesn't have anything. But but

631
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400
from last year's budget, SNAP and CO

632
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,679
earn zero in terms of expenditures.

633
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,000
>> In terms of is that expenditure or

634
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,960
revenue though?

635
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,000
>> Revenue.

636
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,679
>> We have drawn it down

637
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:27,039
>> from the federal government.

638
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:27,840
Okay.

639
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
>> Which I don't, you know, I don't know if

640
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,039
that's a a reporting piece or, you know,

641
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,039
does something need to happen

642
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,919
>> administratively to get us that money?

643
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,480
>> I think those are and that's what I was

644
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,159
trying to get at yesterday in terms of

645
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:43,679
um if we have this money and their

646
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:45,600
agency will not kind of reallocate this

647
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,679
money to various various um various

648
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,000
category within the city and bring them

649
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,760
in as revenue and do projects within

650
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,399
their within the city. I believe my my

651
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:59,360
understanding is that the CDBG has

652
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,840
specific guidelines um within each of

653
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,640
these lines on where the money can needs

654
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,559
to go and so I don't think you can

655
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:07,919
shuffle it. Um

656
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,600
>> but that's why I said

657
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,559
>> I so let's look at it various categories

658
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,440
and see if we can reallocate it within

659
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,120
the city and utilize that revenue.

660
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,880
I think for example when you look at

661
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,080
line 217BF

662
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,399
>> um

663
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:25,200
>> yes finance

664
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,080
>> it has to be used on on finance

665
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760
>> that right do you agree

666
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,440
>> I agree with that and in addition to

667
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,679
that there I mean we have very restrict

668
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,679
guidelines for for the clinic and in

669
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,600
addition to that there's also caps

670
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,039
>> of how much we need to spend in each

671
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,200
category for it's not going to be as

672
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,720
easy to move it around

673
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,279
>> as we think it is and CDBG all comes

674
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,080
through um department's belt

675
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,960
>> oh That's our outcomes here.

676
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,600
>> So we would have to we have some serious

677
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,279
guidance on how we could do that.

678
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,600
>> Well, that's why we need you the

679
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,520
director to kind of guide us along in

680
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,080
terms of what is available, where is the

681
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,159
shortfall and what can we do

682
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:04,880
>> as a city.

683
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,520
>> I don't think that money for budget.

684
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,279
>> No, no, no. We're not taking bringing in

685
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:09,679
money.

686
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,000
>> This is revenue that we haven't brought

687
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,360
in

688
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,760
>> other departments if we can.

689
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,039
>> That's Yeah. the other departments.

690
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:20,240
>> Go ahead.

691
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,720
>> No, no, no. I'm just my thoughts. I I

692
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,120
likely remember I remember I thought

693
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,559
this conversation she was talking about

694
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,200
money um that was in other departments

695
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,919
from uh CDBG money that she's now

696
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:33,600
bringing back into her department

697
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,039
because they weren't being used.

698
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:35,520
>> Yes.

699
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,720
>> And I think that we're talking about the

700
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,679
same thing.

701
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,120
>> Yeah. So we can get some clarity. And

702
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,960
that's exactly what I asked last night

703
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,279
about um in terms of surplus and when we

704
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,440
receive those surplus we do reallocate

705
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
them to other agency can we keep those

706
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,279
money in house

707
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,919
>> and also spending within the various uh

708
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:54,240
programs and department

709
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
did it with the SNAP funding you see

710
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,120
that's why it zeroed out in 26 and then

711
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,039
increased to 570

712
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,679
>> and then the

713
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,360
>> yeah that's why I believe she increased

714
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,960
that line Um well then she's available

715
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,480
um at tomorrow for tomorrow night's

716
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,960
meeting.

717
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,840
>> Yes.

718
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,200
>> Thank you. And I think that's where

719
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,840
she's looking to get some money for our

720
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,799
youth employment.

721
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:21,360
>> Yes.

722
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,679
>> That's that's that's once the money's

723
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:25,679
available to bring in revenue and pass

724
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:29,279
it all back as you know into the various

725
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,279
expenditure categories. That probably

726
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:35,750
would be that behind 2170G

727
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
would be for youth if she's because I

728
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,279
think that's where she gets her grants

729
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,120
up, you know, the grants that go out to

730
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,679
community groups and public services

731
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,880
that have I think as well as it supports

732
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,080
some of the staffing within development.

733
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,520
>> Yeah. But I don't I mean my I don't know

734
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,640
if we're talking about that right now,

735
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
but being that we're mentioning it, I I

736
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,240
my thought would be that's not a line

737
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,679
that we can I I don't want to end up,

738
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,279
you know, dealing with, you know, the

739
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,080
possibilities of what the money's out

740
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,919
there. That's a line that we need to

741
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:11,919
secure funding for that we know is going

742
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:14,720
to be here. Um and that's that's why I

743
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760
was going where I was going. So, but we

744
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,640
could talk about that when we get there.

745
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,559
CDG is the right approach to that as

746
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,840
guaranteed fund

747
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,080
>> and if it's a surplus we can reallocate

748
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,000
the money into youth and also when we

749
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,520
talk about youth we also have to look at

750
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,240
the seniors because they have zero also

751
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840
>> so we have to we have to make sure that

752
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,200
>> we love our youth

753
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,960
>> we have to take care of them

754
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,799
>> we have to love our seniors to and take

755
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,279
care of them so we have to fund them to

756
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,960
and funded programs

757
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
>> that's perfect

758
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,000
money take that money fun our senior our

759
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240
senior years. Take the money from the um

760
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,840
golf course, fund our youth. Boom. Boom.

761
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,559
So, we'll we'll follow make sure we have

762
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,549
I like this convers

763
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,320
with with a PD and CBD.

764
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,200
>> If not tomorrow, then Friday is okay.

765
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,159
>> But um in the early for us, they help us

766
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,399
a lot.

767
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,000
billion.

768
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,760
The only caveat or word of caution would

769
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,679
be that again remember this is money

770
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,039
that comes to us from the federal

771
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,919
government and this is the type of money

772
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:28,159
>> I'm just being

773
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,640
honest here that you know this this

774
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,480
could very much be at risk under the

775
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,320
present administration because this is

776
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,240
the type of funding that

777
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,880
>> uh he's not fond of in terms of the

778
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,880
programs that it funds on the people

779
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,320
that it serves. So, I just want to say

780
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,440
that I think we need to have it in here

781
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,559
um as a possible revenue source, but I

782
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,240
think we also have to, you know, write

783
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,559
letters, call and do everything we can

784
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,799
to advocate to make sure that we get

785
00:32:58,799 --> 00:32:59,440
that funding.

786
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,679
>> I think it's two category

787
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:04,640
for me. We're talking about the surplus

788
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,360
>> agency that not utilizing the allocation

789
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,919
from the drawback. Absolutely. That's

790
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:11,120
what I'm talking about because there are

791
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
some agency that is not meeting up to

792
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,960
the expectation that we need to apply

793
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,679
active funding.

794
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:16,320
>> Totally.

795
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,519
>> So we don't want to give that up. So we

796
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,679
reallocate that. That's what I'm

797
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:20,320
pushing.

798
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,120
>> I'm just saying current one if we can

799
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
reallocate then yes but I'm looking more

800
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760
primarily at the agency that is not

801
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,440
meeting expectations.

802
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:36,310
>> So that's what so those are guaranteed.

803
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Um,

804
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,480
so we'll follow up and make sure that we

805
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,440
have the design to the garden back in

806
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,880
the earlier the better.

807
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,389
Um,

808
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:53,679
are there any other questions? Um, think

809
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,840
we have a couple questions uh about the

810
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,480
mortgage tax

811
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,240
in your packet of first

812
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,470
time.

813
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,159
Maybe you'll have this sheet. Um

814
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,000
>> they did an analysis for the mortgage

815
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,639
tax. Um currently at 388,000

816
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,639
uh we budgeted 1.1 million I believe for

817
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:32,389
2026 we budgeted 942,000,000.

818
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:35,679
Last year we received 894,000

819
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,960
um received up to 894,000.

820
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,440
Um so we're anticipating receiving

821
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,079
approximately same uh maybe a little bit

822
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,599
more about $900,000 probably more toward

823
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,800
950. Um that's uh put within the

824
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,960
proposed budget. Um I just wanted to

825
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
be about that so we're not inflating

826
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,359
some numbers.

827
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:03,040
Well, I don't think we'll wait later. I

828
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,599
think we had a discussion yesterday

829
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,359
myself

830
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,599
everyone. We are looking at the trend of

831
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,320
the the housing market and in terms of

832
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,320
the pricing

833
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,480
and you know the market is very high.

834
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,880
The mortgage now on almost all the

835
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,000
houses are higher than it will be 2

836
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,119
years ago. So our expectation for that

837
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,680
line should be higher

838
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,839
because of the house the sale of these.

839
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:35,520
>> That's how I was looking at I looking at

840
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,790
the the

841
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,640
house.

842
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,160
Is that with this one? Does that look

843
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,480
like

844
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,839
>> No, it's just on page 11

845
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:49,040
page 12 second line. We talked about

846
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,839
this yesterday,

847
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:50,880
>> right?

848
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,880
>> And yeah, we did ask about the whole

849
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,359
conversation was more of center around

850
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:57,839
the housing trend market and the

851
00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:58,880
protection

852
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:05,270
>> based on the uh the sale price.

853
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,800
» So you think it should be higher than

854
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,599
950?

855
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,680
>> Yes. cuz year to date, well, this is

856
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,040
when I first looked at this, so I don't

857
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,400
know what day

858
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,240
>> 488534,

859
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,079
>> but those are paid in quarter. So those

860
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,280
>> Oh, that's right. You said that.

861
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,079
>> So we should be double. So

862
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,000
>> we'll make our

863
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,720
we are in line for close upward to a

864
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:25,119
million.

865
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,190
>> Okay.

866
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,720
You talking about revenue? Yeah, we're

867
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,599
talking about revenue market

868
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:40,310
>> page 12 second line.

869
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,000
» So, do you have a recommended number on

870
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,960
the end? What do we have

871
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,550
for

872
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,079
» I have a number recommended but I just

873
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:51,359
want to you know

874
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:53,920
>> consult to kind of like I don't want to

875
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,760
throw a number out to them like how did

876
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,200
you you know kind of reed them but want

877
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,560
to look across the board in the trend

878
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,880
that's happened above us the housing

879
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,599
market we're selling houses for

880
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,359
profitably we are seeing over the last

881
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:08,880
four years from 5,000 and 10,000 four

882
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,560
years from 5,000 and 10,000 to hundreds

883
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,560
That was like 11.

884
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,920
>> So why the dip in 2024 in the in the in

885
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,599
that line?

886
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,920
>> Okay. 824,

887
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,640
>> right?

888
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,520
>> Yeah.

889
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,990
>> Pretty substantial.

890
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,800
» Yeah.

891
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200
>> And and I was going to say possibly

892
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,440
because like could be like the lingering

893
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,599
effects of maybe CO, but really actually

894
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,480
the housing market went crazy,

895
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520
so it really shouldn't be.

896
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,720
I don't know. So,

897
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,040
who would we ask that

898
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,550
>> within our

899
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,760
» Well, no. Yeah, it's right

900
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,040
>> regardless.

901
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,160
>> Yep.

902
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
>> Let's Let's look at the future.

903
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,079
Got it.

904
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,680
>> Let's look at the future market. Look at

905
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,440
the future trend.

906
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
>> I'll be right.

907
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:15,510
>> Yeah. It went down by 166, we actually

908
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,200
» But I think to Mr. Mutar's point, if we

909
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,599
went back maybe to 2021, we probably

910
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,830
would see the

911
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:23,200
[Music]

912
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,079
>> we probably see the it it's going in the

913
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,400
trend you're saying, but I still would

914
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,359
like to just know why why that

915
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,320
basically we know what that is. But I

916
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,870
see what you're saying about

917
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,990
Okay.

918
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920
We're increasing tax at the proposed

919
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,680
rates

920
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,760
slow down. So making sure that also

921
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,680
um and I was going to say the

922
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,599
conversation is continuing. It's

923
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,440
difficult to not talk about the next

924
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:08,710
line 309. um H

925
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,760
» that the casino licensing fee is only

926
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,760
going to give $100,000 with the

927
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,839
introduction of our multi- tier arena.

928
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:21,599
>> I think it's two different I think

929
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,560
that's two different companies but it's

930
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,520
going to

931
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,800
>> Oh, I see what you're saying. They're

932
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,079
going to the

933
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,960
>> to some degree. Well, we don't we don't

934
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
set the fees, right? Correct. That's my

935
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,200
question. How was that determined? Mr.

936
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,760
Mudar spoke about that briefly in terms

937
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,800
of how it's determined.

938
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,160
>> Is this number aligning with the

939
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,440
committee?

940
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,680
>> Yes. So these numbers um uh the 4.1 and

941
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,079
our sales tax are I spoke with the

942
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:55,109
county and the numbers are

943
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:55,680
» I'm sorry.

944
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,839
>> No, that's I'm with you.

945
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:00,079
>> That was my question. uh well they

946
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:06,079
provide us with a calculation for their sales for the sales tax um

947
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,000
an estimate they provided us I could

948
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,200
look to see what is driven by uh they

949
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,320
provided us um the reasoning behind it

950
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160
um

951
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,520
>> so in more basic terms so we can

952
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,839
actually

953
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,079
adjust that ourselves

954
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:25,119
that's

955
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,160
>> we could recommend it

956
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,359
before the casino. Okay. Like help me

957
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:32,560
walk me through that.

958
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,400
>> Why you don't want to recommend that?

959
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,640
>> Um, usually we base it off the counting

960
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,760
numbers. Um, and there's a formula of I

961
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
don't have it on me. Um, there's a

962
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
formula uh for how it's split up.

963
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:45,920
>> Mhm.

964
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,240
>> And how much revenue is uh received by

965
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,320
the city.

966
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,720
>> So we so we Okay.

967
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,560
>> They kind of tell us.

968
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,000
>> Yeah. But we don't have to listen,

969
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,280
right? Based on like

970
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,640
>> we won't get it. They have to give it to

971
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:00,880
us.

972
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,319
>> Get a certain percentage.

973
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:05,760
>> Okay. And they they give that to us.

974
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,680
>> So I what I'm trying to figure out how

975
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,359
do we get here? Who how what level of

976
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:13,599
autonomy do we have as far as figuring

977
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,760
out where that number that to me is

978
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
pretty much the cuz if if something that

979
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,880
we don't have any

980
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,040
>> then nothing then we don't need to look

981
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,359
at that. However,

982
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:27,760
my next kind of thought about that is

983
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,240
even if we don't have,

984
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,160
you know, autonomy over how this looks,

985
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,119
there's nothing stopping us for from the

986
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,640
city perspective to go back to the

987
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,079
casino and say that um well, we we would

988
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,720
like uh

989
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,839
them to uh contribute more,

990
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,240
>> change the formula.

991
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,079
Well, it could be it could be done by

992
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:52,640
the state.

993
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,319
>> It could this one map. It could go that

994
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:57,040
way or it could be in the in the way of

995
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440
a of a new uh community benefit

996
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680
agreement. And I think that you know

997
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,119
there's there's questions that can be

998
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,240
asked

999
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,920
>> overestimated

1000
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,400
revenue. Thank you for

1001
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000
>> Yeah. But to your point earlier, it was

1002
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,200
just an estimate.

1003
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,480
>> So, you know what I mean? So,

1004
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,400
>> which is a good thing. But then I get to

1005
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
your point the 4.1

1006
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
if we exceeded that year are we going to

1007
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,000
exceed it in 2025

1008
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,240
but

1009
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,829
>> nobody else can

1010
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:27,760
I think um I just remember these

1011
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,200
discussions from previous years um about

1012
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,680
I think it is a negotiation

1013
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,079
um with the I think it's part of the

1014
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,400
sales tax negotiation that we have with

1015
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,720
the county not I know sales that that's

1016
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,960
a separate line but I think it might be

1017
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,480
that same discussion. I mean, I'd have

1018
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,480
to ask our commissioner, but I think

1019
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,760
>> two separate

1020
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,200
>> I know they're two separate separate,

1021
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,119
but I don't know. I just I don't know that

1022
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,359
we necessarily can drive it. I think

1023
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:57,359
that the county drives it.

1024
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,640
>> I don't have the agreement, but there's

1025
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,319
an agreement and it's split up by

1026
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:00,960
percentage.

1027
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,720
>> Yes, that's right.

1028
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:07,359
portion and there's different uh

1029
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:10,240
broken up.

1030
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,160
>> Yeah. I guess I mean my question would

1031
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,079
be not I'm certain that there's a

1032
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,040
formula in place but I'm saying is that

1033
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,319
who decides that formula what level of

1034
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:25,280
impact do we have to

1035
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,040
talk about what that formula could

1036
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,839
possibly look like? Um, and I think that

1037
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:33,119
right now times like this, those are the conversations we need to have. So,

1038
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,280
I'm saying like I'm going to figure that

1039
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,720
out.

1040
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,359
>> I think in terms of this budget, the um

1041
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,280
the for deciding

1042
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
>> and there's no room like between now and

1043
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,480
November 1st to renegotiate any of that.

1044
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,240
So,

1045
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,960
for me, my perspective is that we got

1046
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,560
almost 300,000 overed and then we

1047
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,760
increase that line based on the past

1048
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,680
year. questions, right?

1049
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,599
>> Yes, exactly. I was trying to compare

1050
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,040
that almost 300,000 2024. So, how would

1051
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,760
we approach

1052
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,880
>> I will say that I mean I listening I

1053
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
agree that perhaps

1054
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,599
I think we'd have to take a guess

1055
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,400
>> but if we think there's the new event

1056
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200
center I mean if we think that people

1057
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,960
that are going to go to the event center

1058
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,480
would also go to the casino. I'm not

1059
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,079
sure that I do buy that. I mean, I think

1060
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:27,839
that if you think of the events that any

1061
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,599
of us have attended at the event center,

1062
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,520
you go you go to the event and you go

1063
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,880
home probably. But, um, Right. Right. I

1064
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,440
don't know. But I'm not really sure that

1065
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
um there's going to be I'm not I'm just

1066
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,160
raising it that maybe we could

1067
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,079
guesstimate that maybe we'd get a little

1068
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,400
bit extra because we have more people

1069
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,160
coming into town um by virtue of the

1070
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,880
event.

1071
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,990
Yeah.

1072
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,640
» No, I mean that's

1073
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,920
>> it's conjecture.

1074
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,520
>> Yeah, it would be totally conjecture.

1075
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,760
So, I think that we should not mess

1076
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,880
around with it too much.

1077
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,640
>> As far as bed tax, sales tax, what we

1078
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640
get on the counter is I think that could

1079
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,079
be more.

1080
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,520
>> I agree too, but I think those are not

1081
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,359
things that we negotiated.

1082
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:16,240
>> Right. Right. And I guess my I'm seeking

1083
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,720
clarity as to but some sometimes what

1084
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,800
I've noticed is that sometimes things

1085
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,040
are done a certain way because they've

1086
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,560
always been done in that certain way not

1087
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,720
necessarily because it's just a matter

1088
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,560
of practice maybe not necessarily a

1089
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800
matter of policy. So I'm like those are

1090
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,160
the things that we just have to kind of

1091
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,640
like have be clear on. Is it something

1092
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,599
that we have a level of

1093
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:41,200
2025 we have 2,72,000

1094
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,680
>> casino

1095
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,720
>> 2 million

1096
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,800
>> 72 that's so that's two quarters so it's

1097
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,640
going to be close to 4 million

1098
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,280
>> so yeah so you're on par with 4 million

1099
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,440
let's say cash this year

1100
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,800
4.1 was pretty solid

1101
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,760
>> so bas based on the trend for first two

1102
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,520
more than likely going to exceed your

1103
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,589
destiny.

1104
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,960
» I like to see us smile.

1105
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,680
>> Um, so just to be clear, right now we're

1106
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,760
trying to figure out ways to be

1107
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,520
increasing our revenue, right?

1108
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,880
>> Exactly. That's the purpose of this

1109
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,760
discussion here.

1110
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,920
So that pointed I mean you know as we

1111
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,359
continue to go through this question we

1112
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:32,560
can visit those those

1113
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,359
we need to to look at not only that line

1114
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:38,560
all the lines that we started yesterday

1115
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,839
what other question we have from

1116
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:40,640
yesterday

1117
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,359
>> um so

1118
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,440
>> okay can I can I go back for a minute on

1119
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,359
that one so you said it was 2 million 72

1120
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:48,640
>> and that's only two

1121
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,280
>> no 2 million

1122
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,839
that's You got to think 2 million.

1123
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:55,920
>> Oh, exactly.

1124
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,680
>> 2,ion72,000,

1125
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,040
not 100,000.

1126
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,680
>> Okay. Okay.

1127
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,960
I was like, wait, there's more money on

1128
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,880
the table.

1129
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040
>> For for the record, I'm still suggesting

1130
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,880
we find a way to ask the casino for more

1131
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,640
money in layman's terms is what I'm

1132
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,270
saying.

1133
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,359
That will have to be maybe a separate um

1134
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:21,440
discussion, but take into consideration

1135
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,079
the casino is filing

1136
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,359
a grievance against your taxes.

1137
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:28,800
>> But they've done it for for several

1138
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,280
years.

1139
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,280
>> So we have to be careful what is going

1140
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,160
on there because if that ever happen to

1141
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,599
get approved,

1142
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:36,640
>> we'd be in trouble.

1143
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,880
>> Yeah, exactly.

1144
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Trouble. They got to be in trouble.

1145
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,280
pulling at the at the

1146
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,560
>> so let's be mindful of what uh what is

1147
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,839
happening over there and hope it doesn't

1148
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:51,200
>> I'm sure we'll have to take care of it

1149
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,560
for

1150
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,000
>> um any other question

1151
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,520
>> have anything

1152
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,440
>> I think there was a comment last time

1153
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,920
about the allowing for accessed

1154
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,950
uh analysis uh

1155
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,839
» Mhm.

1156
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:13,440
uh you can see you'll see prior years

1157
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,800
2014 2016 that's the back

1158
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,400
budgeted and then the allowance for

1159
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,440
actual this is the actual allowance for

1160
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,520
uh unleffected taxes. So you can see

1161
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,400
that this number historically increases

1162
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,800
when the tax levy increases so I

1163
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,040
wouldn't recommend that's actually below

1164
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,390
that 2.8

1165
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,760
» when tax levy increased look in 2023

1166
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
it was 31.6 6 million.

1167
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,400
>> Yes,

1168
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,559
>> we 3.2 in 2024 we 2.1

1169
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,160
>> correct

1170
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,599
and the allowance went up

1171
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,160
>> the allowance for factors. So when that

1172
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,839
number goes up that means revenues

1173
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:54,960
produce.

1174
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,520
>> Mhm.

1175
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,160
>> So you see that 3 million if you look

1176
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,640
like 2 million.2

1177
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,079
3 million.

1178
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,319
>> Yeah. The negative will reduce. Yes. All

1179
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,920
right. So, so you were indicating that

1180
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,160
we could take the 2.8 million and bring

1181
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,520
that number down.

1182
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,400
>> I'm glad you did that analysis because

1183
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,720
look at the trend for I mean 2023 31.6

1184
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,680
3.2 negative

1185
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,480
2024 32.1

1186
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,280
just over $3 million. 2025 33.3 million

1187
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,520
2.8 eight.

1188
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,720
We're $6 million

1189
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,800
higher in terms of um revenue.

1190
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,640
>> Why is this the same?

1191
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,440
We have 6 million.

1192
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,440
>> I'm not I'm not understanding what

1193
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,160
you're saying.

1194
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,720
>> No, not the same. But the tax um

1195
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,920
property tax, real property tax $9.3

1196
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,200
million.

1197
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,480
>> You're not looking at this. You're

1198
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,440
looking at

1199
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
>> you're looking at he's going over this

1200
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,470
with us.

1201
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,079
» One of the packets that that we got for

1202
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:06,960
that

1203
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,200
>> I think it's under

1204
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,880
second.

1205
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,839
>> I just saw it.

1206
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:17,270
Yeah.

1207
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,470
There was one of the fact that the dead

1208
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,440
» take a look.

1209
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:40,630
>> It should be behind the magic raises.

1210
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,680
» Can I run in and make

1211
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,150
>> Can we just make chocolate, please?

1212
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,880
He said it. He said it.

1213
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,440
>> Okay.

1214
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,440
>> Yeah. I'm not really understanding it.

1215
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,240
>> Start from the top.

1216
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:59,040
>> So, um, you had a tax year 24 to 2016,

1217
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,319
the tax levy, which would be the A1101,

1218
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:05,119
the real property.

1219
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:06,640
>> Um,

1220
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,359
and you see the allowance for collected

1221
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,079
taxes. Um there was a statement I

1222
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,839
believe it was yesterday that we could

1223
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:17,040
possibly reduce that that $2.8 million

1224
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,520
to lower than 2 million or 1.8 million

1225
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,559
which would then uh help our bottom line

1226
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:25,119
out.

1227
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:25,520
>> Mhm.

1228
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,240
>> Um so that number at 2.8 million is

1229
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,599
actually low. We were predicting it's

1230
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,839
more around 3.3 million. Um so that

1231
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:39,200
number is um below um the analysis. You

1232
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,880
see where it says this is actually too

1233
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,319
low.

1234
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:43,680
>> Yeah.

1235
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,680
>> Uh and this is just a representation to

1236
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
show you exactly what our amounts on

1237
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,480
collecting taxes were in previous years.

1238
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,880
So I wouldn't recommend lowering that uh

1239
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,839
number.

1240
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:55,599
>> Yeah. But the reason why I'm asking for

1241
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,760
that um to look at it because last last

1242
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,720
year we budgeted 33.3 million in

1243
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,400
republic tax

1244
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,960
>> and this year we're budgeting $39.3

1245
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,760
million. That's not $6 million

1246
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,040
difference.

1247
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,760
>> Wait a minute. Let me see. I'm on the

1248
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,000
budget target of eight. Our exposure

1249
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
should be reduced. So then why where are

1250
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,920
you getting this this

1251
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,319
8%.

1252
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,400
Is that standard or is that something

1253
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,319
that we try to maintain?

1254
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:29,599
>> That's the lowest. So if you look in 22

1255
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,839
M as percentage, that's the lowest

1256
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:35,109
percentage.

1257
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,079
So we took that number and times that.

1258
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,440
>> Okay. So it's not something that is

1259
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,960
standard. Did you just look at the

1260
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,040
lowest one and then Okay.

1261
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,680
>> To be cautious.

1262
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,160
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So be cautious.

1263
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,800
>> I I think 2.8 is I spoke with our

1264
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,880
finance team

1265
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,280
individual. I mentioned that you've been

1266
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,520
here for 25 plus years. That's all the

1267
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,920
knowledge and he says even this number

1268
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,589
is uh low. So

1269
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:06,960
Okay.

1270
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,359
>> Yeah. But then those years we we've seen

1271
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,280
over the years that the real property

1272
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920
tax has started. So, you know, it's

1273
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,880
moving upward.

1274
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,400
>> So, $6 million within within a year and

1275
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,880
you're telling me your exposure to UNC

1276
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,549
color is the same. Uh I don't think that

1277
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,599
» the exposure I the exposure is too much.

1278
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,520
>> You recommended to lowering that amount?

1279
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,280
>> Yes.

1280
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,359
>> Cuz if we are anticipating or saying

1281
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:41,440
okay we're going to collect $39 million

1282
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,240
and um you know pray to God that we

1283
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,720
collect more than that then our exposure

1284
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,720
should not be the same as last year this

1285
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,599
year into next year. I think it would

1286
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:56,400
help to your point Mr. We had a proposed

1287
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,480
allowance for flooded taxes for 23 and

1288
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,920
24.

1289
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,960
>> Was that sorry to understand how close

1290
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,520
the recommendations from the budget

1291
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,640
are not at least courtesy? I think that

1292
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,839
would help support how on spot they are

1293
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,559
in regards to like seven.

1294
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,079
Yeah. We did we did exceed our

1295
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,319
collection um last year and the year

1296
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:22,640
before and we are lying to exceed that

1297
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,000
this year.

1298
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,720
>> The real property tax

1299
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,839
>> for real property tax 32 million and 31

1300
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:33,040
million for 24 and 23 respectively.

1301
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,400
>> It's on here. Yeah,

1302
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,319
>> it's it's on

1303
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:37,680
>> but we're getting

1304
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,680
>> page eight

1305
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,510
line.

1306
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,280
» Yeah, you're seeing the actual

1307
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,470
>> how much it be.

1308
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,240
» I was supporting what Mr. Williams was

1309
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,440
saying budget for 23 and 24 for

1310
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,920
allowance of unallocated taxes. I think

1311
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,400
would support whether John's saying I

1312
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,079
think the formula can use some

1313
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,680
adjustment

1314
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,839
and then whether the kind of lean more

1315
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,599
towards fire team saying we have an

1316
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,000
individual saying

1317
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,040
the adopted for allowance for collective

1318
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,160
taxes for 230 with 3 million and for 24

1319
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,520
um was 2.8 million.

1320
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,200
>> No, we're talking about the next line

1321
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,319
>> now. We're talking about real property

1322
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:25,920
>> real property tax lines. How much did we

1323
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,640
>> How much did we um we exceed the

1324
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,839
collection?

1325
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:32,480
>> So we budgeted in um

1326
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,000
>> that's the very first one the whole

1327
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,400
package

1328
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,680
>> in 23 we budgeted 31 million.

1329
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,040
>> He actually received the 31 million. Um

1330
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,160
in 24 we budgeted uh 32 million.

1331
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,200
>> Wait wait wait on you have 31.629

1332
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,000
here.

1333
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,359
>> He's ask he's estimate he's telling you

1334
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:53,359
what he got by. We we we exceed by

1335
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:54,880
600,000.

1336
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,920
>> No. So, excuse me. So, 2023 adopted

1337
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,359
revenue this year from 2024 budgeted

1338
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:01,839
budget.

1339
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:02,400
>> Mhm.

1340
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
>> The 23 adopted revenue for real property

1341
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:09,670
tax is 30,629,000.

1342
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,359
And we nailed that right on the head for

1343
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:13,040
actual revenues.

1344
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:13,680
>> Exactly.

1345
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,280
Y

1346
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,280
>> because they know I mean that

1347
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,799
>> that would be a formula sometimes would

1348
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:21,359
happen and sometimes it doesn't. So for

1349
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:24,880
24 um 32 million

1350
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,839
>> 32 million60,000 is the adopted revenue

1351
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:32,789
actual revenue is 32,136,42.

1352
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:35,839
» It's not it's a large amount

1353
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,240
>> and then okay

1354
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,440
>> 2025 you have those. Yeah, I'm looking at the actual as well, but

1355
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,160
we haven't finished. But

1356
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,200
>> so about 90,000 million.

1357
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,280
>> Yeah, you're 99.9%

1358
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,319
on this report. So, we'll make it, but

1359
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,720
we'll exceed it, don't you think?

1360
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,960
>> For the adopted revenues.

1361
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,119
>> No, for the um I'm looking at the actual

1362
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,040
101.

1363
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,480
>> Maybe I'm misreading it, but it looks

1364
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
like you've already collected 99.9%.

1365
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,760
Well, as of October 9th.

1366
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,040
>> Yeah. So,

1367
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,920
>> yeah. Yeah, it should be right.

1368
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,200
>> Oh, so that's it. That this was the last quarter, so you won't get any more.

1369
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,200
Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.

1370
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,160
>> People still pay late

1371
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,400
now.

1372
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:36,309
>> So 20. So 25 is going to end up at

1373
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:39,200
probably exactly what you budgeted

1374
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,440
>> pretty on target.

1375
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,559
>> So now6

1376
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,400
that's that's exactly relating to my

1377
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,480
point. If we budget for that and we are

1378
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,160
achieving our targeted estimate, then

1379
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,599
our exposure should be should lower for

1380
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,359
next year because we're budgeting $6

1381
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:00,000
million more

1382
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,119
than 2025.

1383
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:06,799
So then why do we our exposure

1384
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:10,960
is the same from 2025 into 2026.

1385
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,200
>> So when you say 2026

1386
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,480
collected like people who are not going

1387
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,480
to pay Mhm.

1388
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,799
But we anticipated this year $2.8

1389
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:21,920
million of uncollected taxes were

1390
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,920
empowered to receive that amount.

1391
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,720
>> Mhm.

1392
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,760
>> If you're saying that we're going to

1393
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,280
collect $39 million,

1394
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,680
>> then why our exposure is the same?

1395
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Because we budgeting expecting more. So

1396
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,720
our risk should be less.

1397
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:45,910
>> That's how that's how it works.

1398
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,280
the risk would be more

1399
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,520
we've seen we've seen the the base

1400
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,200
effect

1401
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,160
actually

1402
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,000
>> did the corporation council even tell us

1403
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,880
that I don't know because I could be

1404
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,960
misquing but did she not say that we

1405
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,119
were getting more taxes in that we were

1406
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:04,160
getting more collection

1407
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,160
>> yes exactly one of her more people are

1408
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,280
coming

1409
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,799
>> more people are coming forward to pay

1410
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,720
the taxes and to avoid foreclosure than

1411
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,319
what used to happen in the last couple

1412
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,160
years people just ignore it. They don't

1413
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,680
care. They go to foreclosure. We

1414
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,240
foreclose on property with $500.

1415
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,240
>> So, so I guess I'd still and I'm sorry

1416
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,000
that I'm being a little confused.

1417
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,200
>> You want to carry?

1418
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,839
>> I just want to make sure. So, I just

1419
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:27,040
want to follow along what you're saying

1420
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,200
and hope that I understand it. So are

1421
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,960
you suggesting in other words I think

1422
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,920
that I would say that the 2026 proposed

1423
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,799
budget of 39343

1424
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:40,960
on real property taxes A101

1425
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,440
>> is good and and we shouldn't touch that

1426
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,040
and they definitely have a formula and

1427
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,280
it seems like the formula is working.

1428
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,359
He's hitting the nail on the head. But

1429
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:51,599
now I think it's a separate thing that

1430
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,559
you're using that number to then say

1431
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,520
well then for line the next line

1432
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,240
>> next line

1433
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,160
>> uh 102

1434
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,789
you think that 2850

1435
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:05,920
oh

1436
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,040
>> should be

1437
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,520
>> less less and they're actually telling

1438
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,000
us that they think that it's too low

1439
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,760
that we should raise it from 2850

1440
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,280
>> 309

1441
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,880
Yeah, but we have seen a trend of people

1442
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,960
paying their taxes. We we're not seeing

1443
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,880
no dip in the collection over the last

1444
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,559
four years.

1445
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,400
>> It's still 12.7% of taxes.

1446
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,319
>> So, you know, it's something that we can

1447
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:35,119
revisit. So, it's you know, as property

1448
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:38,079
values increase, then people are more

1449
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,000
likely to pay their even though taxes

1450
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,119
increase, they're more likely to pay

1451
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,799
their taxes. So, they're not losing type

1452
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,240
of session. You're not forclosing for

1453
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,400
500 bucks. It's not happen.

1454
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,240
>> Somebody said that too.

1455
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,119
Corporation council.

1456
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,480
>> Yes, exactly. We heard that from

1457
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,079
corporation council yesterday that in

1458
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,160
terms of coming in taxes, we're getting

1459
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,960
less lesser foreclosure and then we're

1460
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,400
going to touch on the revenue line and

1461
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,240
the housing also because we have three uh foreclosure lined up.

1462
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,440
So process two is

1463
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:05,760
>> right

1464
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,680
>> one is in the court, one is in the court

1465
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,680
and another one is lining up to the to

1466
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,599
get there. So we have to deal with three

1467
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,839
set of foreclosure for the next year.

1468
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:15,359
But we did talk about that yesterday. So

1469
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:16,720
that's going to touch on my point. So

1470
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,680
the revenue for the housing sales that's

1471
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,430
still that trend.

1472
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,960
» So I I still think that we we need to

1473
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,760
reduce our um uncowments

1474
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,960
for uncollected

1475
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,040
>> and they think that we should raise

1476
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,119
>> No, I I think they a trend. They're

1477
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:36,960
looking at

1478
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,400
>> that's they Yes. They think that they

1479
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,839
think that we should hold it at the

1480
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:46,160
lowest level the lowest percentage

1481
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,400
for 2022.

1482
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,839
But those were tough years.

1483
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:52,400
And these are

1484
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,079
>> okay

1485
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:55,920
those were years that we were giving

1486
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,520
people extension to to and taking off u

1487
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,520
penalties and and you know giving them

1488
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,799
time to pay their tax for 6 months and

1489
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:07,359
>> yeah

1490
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:11,920
corporation council almost to be

1491
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,000
vaccines uh Miss Barash said um with

1492
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,839
foreclosures number one which should

1493
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:19,680
close out by the end of the year six or

1494
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,520
seven properties do Do you know how many

1495
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,960
are in two and three for next year or

1496
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,559
can you find that out for us?

1497
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:27,440
>> I can.

1498
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,960
>> Sure. Thank you.

1499
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,680
>> Three.

1500
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,319
>> She said that so one is closing out this

1501
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:37,359
year. One set of foreclosers and

1502
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:38,400
properties in it.

1503
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,799
>> Two cycles more coming forward in 2026.

1504
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:44,960
I mean if it's 10 12 15 properties

1505
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,720
>> more than it's more than that and then

1506
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,920
they talking about the property in Bra

1507
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,079
about half a million dollars. So those

1508
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,240
will come in until 2026.

1509
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,280
>> So

1510
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,720
>> and then there's another property we

1511
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,760
talk about the he said right the big one

1512
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,599
>> the big one um up there.

1513
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,359
>> Yes. So hopefully that they close this

1514
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,400
year. If not that will next year. So

1515
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,079
that's another line I wanted to touch on

1516
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,400
in terms of revenue, the house sale. I

1517
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,559
think we need to up that to the to the

1518
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:23,829
2025 numbers.

1519
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:27,520
My my question we're

1520
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,079
hitting property taxes year over year

1521
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,400
since 2023.

1522
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,760
What is the impact of budgeting millions

1523
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,520
of dollars from collected taxes? Where

1524
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
does that go?

1525
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,559
>> It's it's a it's a line of pushing

1526
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:46,799
there. So kind of like in

1527
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:51,920
a push for who and for what for the

1528
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,440
>> Just in case.

1529
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,160
though.

1530
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,200
>> So I I try to think

1531
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,119
I I know you're trying to get out there.

1532
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:02,720
Why are we putting that? If we're going

1533
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,839
up and we're we're collecting 100% or

1534
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:08,480
exceeding 100% of yesterday, then why

1535
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,559
are we putting that number there? And

1536
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,720
that's the reason why I wanted to open

1537
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,039
because I think our exposure is limited

1538
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,359
as we move forward. The tax base is

1539
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:18,799
expanding. People are paying their

1540
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:21,760
taxes. The housing market is expanding.

1541
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,480
The house value is going up as Mr.

1542
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,319
Farley mentioned and that is no secret

1543
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:28,880
across the city. We have seen um we

1544
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,720
talked about it yesterday the price of

1545
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,319
houses that are being sold on the market

1546
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:37,520
300 250 300,000

1547
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,119
and it was one of the point I mentioned

1548
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,920
about the mortgage tax

1549
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,119
that also drive that mortgage tax. So

1550
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:46,799
you're so you're asking that we lower

1551
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,480
that

1552
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,240
>> what?

1553
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,920
>> Yes.

1554
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,480
>> When we lower that that goes. Okay.

1555
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:54,880
>> Yes.

1556
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,789
>> All right.

1557
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:02,720
» Also then since we're touch talking

1558
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,400
about that the the sale the home sales

1559
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,319
right now we budgeted that three $3

1560
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:12,160
million last year but this year is 4.5.

1561
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,160
I would like to see that um kind of

1562
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,309
remain at 4.5

1563
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:20,319
because we've heard from council there's

1564
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:21,920
a aggressive approach in terms of the

1565
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,839
foreclosure there will be no lagging

1566
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:26,400
like what used to happen four courts are

1567
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,799
piled up in the office on top of each

1568
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:30,960
other and they can't get them out

1569
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,079
because of you know situations beyond

1570
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:37,119
our control but I you know based on the

1571
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:38,880
what we were told yesterday that those

1572
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,640
are an aggressive approach

1573
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,240
>> so we want

1574
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,799
A2660

1575
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:48,789
A.5

1576
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:49,280
days.

1577
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,670
>> Yes.

1578
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,920
» So, Mr. M in our discussions, I know

1579
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,720
we're trying to like find out.

1580
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,680
What number are you trying to excuse me?

1581
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,119
>> Well, it's not it's not a number. We're

1582
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:06,960
discussing here. That's my suggestion in

1583
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,440
terms of where we are. M

1584
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,079
>> if there's a consensus then we know put

1585
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,240
a total on everything

1586
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,359
>> but I want to make sure that

1587
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:18,640
>> and

1588
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,799
>> I want it to be we are you know kind of

1589
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:22,240
thing

1590
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,000
>> there's a push back if you put back just

1591
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,920
tell me but

1592
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:32,240
>> yeah but I I think um you know

1593
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,240
>> what we yesterday I'm more confident

1594
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,839
that we we can achieve um 4 million like

1595
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:38,880
4.5 million.

1596
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,480
>> Okay.

1597
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,240
>> But let me reframe my question. We're

1598
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,200
trying not to at least I'm trying to

1599
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,640
that we do not see that. So

1600
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,599
>> Mr. told us it's Do you have an exact

1601
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:53,599
number for us how much that would be

1602
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:55,599
>> or two?

1603
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:56,400
>> Two. Yes.

1604
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,599
>> What the tax cap?

1605
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,119
>> No. What is What would um in order not

1606
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,280
to see the tax cap?

1607
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:03,920
>> Yeah.

1608
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,280
>> Approximately 6 million.

1609
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,240
So we would

1610
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,359
have to um reduce it by that or increase

1611
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:13,280
revenue. That's so that's what I'm

1612
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,920
trying to say. What do we what's our

1613
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:28,069
goal for tonight in terms of our number

1614
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,920
in terms of the revenue?

1615
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,520
>> Yeah, I know. Is there a goal? Is there

1616
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,960
a goal? Is the number we're trying to

1617
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,480
hit?

1618
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,640
>> We just heard it. So I'm asking

1619
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,799
that is the goal 6 million. Do we do we

1620
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:44,640
get that or do we we push for

1621
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,559
>> I I think that that's what the that's

1622
01:07:46,559 --> 01:08:05,910
what

1623
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,880
So is

1624
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,760
Mr. Google again I'm not a financial

1625
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,000
analyst but how you explain if there are

1626
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,239
no property taxes if that second line

1627
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:22,080
and it's for whether we meet that or not

1628
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,880
in layman terms can you just describe

1629
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,120
why that even exists if we continue to

1630
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:33,749
hit

1631
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:35,520
» claiming the y

1632
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,359
>> good point

1633
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,839
>> I don't have some mushroom is good, but

1634
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:43,040
I was described by Mr. Barry. It's the

1635
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,040
bank inefficiencies in the city.

1636
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,880
>> And that and that's not really revenue

1637
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,600
then, right?

1638
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:48,880
>> No, it's not.

1639
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,480
>> It's a loss in participating in revenue,

1640
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,600
but it's not actually preparing for it

1641
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,799
and that presents in the budget that

1642
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:01,839
fund. So it's the city protecting itself

1643
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:04,239
>> which is why

1644
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:04,960
it

1645
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,719
>> but at this point in time we we can't

1646
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:09,199
over protect oursel we we need to cloud

1647
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:10,880
back a little so that we can able to get

1648
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,799
some revenue so that we can offset all

1649
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,799
this this increase that is floating

1650
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,640
around us.

1651
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,359
So please not

1652
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,159
so what I'll do is I will uh put

1653
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,880
together more information um more

1654
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,080
understandable for the council um

1655
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,480
tomorrow's meeting um so everyone has

1656
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:33,520
more clarification uh but you know

1657
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,600
collecting tax and how that affects and

1658
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,719
how we account for real property taxes

1659
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,600
>> and I respect that individuals that

1660
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,679
might have that lived experience might

1661
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:45,199
not want to come and sit in front of us

1662
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:46,560
because we're such a happy group of

1663
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,920
people. Um, if it if it's an opportunity

1664
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,640
to come during the day, I I will. That

1665
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,000
means I can have that one-on-one

1666
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,960
conversation.

1667
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,520
>> You know, it's always awesome.

1668
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,400
I make the time to hear that.

1669
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:00,560
I'd

1670
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:05,040
>> love to day possibility. Um, I'm sure um

1671
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,679
we have all information together

1672
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:09,760
meeting. Um, that does suffice and

1673
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,239
answer your questions and look into that

1674
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:13,440
for the future.

1675
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:14,159
>> Thank you.

1676
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,640
>> Yes.

1677
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,640
I guess I just you know looking at the

1678
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,480
history

1679
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:22,480
>> I don't know

1680
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,080
>> the history doesn't tell you nothing

1681
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,880
that was that is the estimated

1682
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,199
>> turn into actually but there's nothing

1683
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:31,040
no movement it's a number that was

1684
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,360
placed there as an

1685
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,400
>> as uncollected

1686
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,960
>> I just feel like it seems like our

1687
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,400
experts are

1688
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,600
>> you know recommending something and

1689
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,120
we don't seem to have the same knowledge

1690
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Okay. So I

1691
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,400
>> I I would be cautious of saying you know

1692
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,320
expert

1693
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,440
no disrespect but um but in terms of the

1694
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,040
trend we have to look at the trend. It's

1695
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,640
a number. It's a negative number being

1696
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,800
placed there as an allowance for

1697
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,679
uncollected tax.

1698
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:02,960
We're now

1699
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,360
>> but if we add it back into the budget I

1700
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,320
mean in other words if we take it away

1701
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,880
>> and we say okay there's 3 million of the

1702
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,480
6 million right there.

1703
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:14,560
>> 5 million. Oh yeah, because of the two

1704
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:14,880
lines,

1705
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,400
>> we're not taking

1706
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,880
>> I mean, if we say zero in both of those

1707
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:19,280
lines,

1708
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:19,840
>> yes,

1709
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,000
>> to get to the 5 million,

1710
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,159
>> 3 million right here

1711
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,760
>> out of the 6 million that we need,

1712
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,280
that's 5 million.

1713
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,920
>> Um, and then let's say, don't even fall

1714
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,400
off the chair, but I mean, don't, you

1715
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,080
know, then we take a million more from

1716
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,920
the reserves, which leaves us with like

1717
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,840
nothing, by the way, which I would not

1718
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,920
recommend doing. I'm just saying.

1719
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,000
There's your $6 million. But I guess to

1720
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,520
me it's just going against

1721
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,280
I don't know. I mean I think we would be

1722
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,640
taking a huge risk of of doing that and

1723
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,280
>> well that's why let's say I think that's

1724
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,640
why we're listening. Let's be cautious

1725
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,280
on what we do because we we as a body we

1726
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,880
have an obligation and that's what we're

1727
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,560
doing to go through this budget and to

1728
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,360
make a determination of what do we

1729
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,560
proceed with.

1730
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,440
>> Mhm.

1731
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,640
>> If yes they're expert out there on their

1732
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,040
recommendation

1733
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,040
and if the recommendation is saying this

1734
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,560
no then we should go to the budget and

1735
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,040
move on and negotiate nothing. It is our

1736
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,640
job to kind of go through the lines and

1737
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,560
make sure that we understand what is

1738
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:23,600
happening.

1739
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,679
>> Um $2.8 $8 million there negative.

1740
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:29,440
If everything goes well and everything

1741
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,760
is going to go well into the next year,

1742
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,320
that is $2 million there set aside as a

1743
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,239
negative. It goes back into general

1744
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:39,600
fund. Now, can we afford that at this

1745
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,520
point in time to be raising 70% taxes to

1746
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,239
have a high negative like that? I think

1747
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,600
we need to drop it.

1748
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,199
I'm not saying we take the whole thing

1749
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,520
and conserve. We we need to agree on a

1750
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,669
certain number.

1751
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:00,000
So

1752
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,159
try so

1753
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,280
that allowance for uncollected taxes in

1754
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,440
previous years

1755
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:10,640
you're saying has been spot on.

1756
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,280
>> Mhm.

1757
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:11,920
>> No. Right.

1758
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,400
>> No.

1759
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,159
>> But the uncollected taxes.

1760
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:18,880
>> Yeah. Sorry, for 2024

1761
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,679
the Obama was 3 million

1762
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:25,760
20,13 and then the actual

1763
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,800
I mean yeah

1764
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,600
>> he's been right on in 2023 and 24 budget

1765
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,239
allowance for collected taxes actual uh

1766
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:42,719
let's say uh for the um 20 for 21.8 80

1767
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:47,920
million for 22 is 2.6 million. Uh for 23

1768
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:53,750
3.2 for 24 3 million.

1769
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,600
» So he's

1770
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,030
been right on.

1771
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,440
» How about $6 million now to jump?

1772
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:08,870
>> That's that's how I'm factoring my my

1773
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,560
year were flat years. We have 30 31 32

1774
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,679
33.

1775
01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:15,600
>> Now we're looking at um 39.

1776
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:16,880
>> So you're talking about because

1777
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,000
>> because the the

1778
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,239
>> 6 million increase of 6 million this

1779
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:23,199
year.

1780
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,600
>> Oh, if if that was 34 million, I

1781
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,679
wouldn't be talking about that.

1782
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,520
>> I would I would be like, "Nope, can't

1783
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,830
touch it."

1784
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,870
Okay.

1785
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,320
kind of a great informative

1786
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,840
diagnost.

1787
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,560
>> So what what a little concise summary

1788
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,960
for your account

1789
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,640
incorporate some other texts that were

1790
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,199
adapted yesterday.

1791
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,950
>> That's a good point.

1792
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,560
» I think just because you raised it by

1793
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,840
that amount doesn't mean you're going to

1794
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,000
collect that entire

1795
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,199
property taxes.

1796
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,880
>> Well, we can take your house.

1797
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,800
>> What? We'll take the house but then it

1798
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,360
brings the u the sale.

1799
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,120
>> Yeah. Next. So the list of rocks

1800
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,199
properties approximately 75% of the

1801
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,199
people redeem them. So we don't get

1802
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:18,800
them. And I just wrote a summary

1803
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,440
judgement motion for property that was

1804
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:24,480
foreclosed on originally in 2021.

1805
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,440
>> So I think it's just very fluid with how

1806
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,040
quick the courts are and getting back to

1807
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,880
us. But I do know we at least have two

1808
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,719
properties that are coming back to us.

1809
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,480
one is going to be in February and then

1810
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,040
one is going to be in March or April.

1811
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,600
>> Um but I can give you more specifics

1812
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,040
talking to Maxine. I think the list is

1813
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,640
just I would say approximately to bear

1814
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,520
on the side of caution to say 75.8% 80%

1815
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,199
of the people will redeem it within a

1816
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,800
statuto period of time before we can

1817
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,880
foreclose.

1818
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,880
And that kind of answer the question in

1819
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,560
terms of the um

1820
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,280
>> taxes the real tax

1821
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:00,320
we're going to we're going to reach

1822
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,880
achieve that goal of the estimated 29

1823
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,000
million

1824
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,040
>> right because if if I mean there's a lot

1825
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,679
of variables here but if we if we're not

1826
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,400
we're just moving the goalpost depending

1827
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,159
on the scenario then you know we're

1828
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,960
going to be chasing our tails here

1829
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,310
to

1830
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,400
So, what numbers are you signed?

1831
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,520
>> I think we should bring it to know about

1832
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:32,950
$2 million or just under 2 million.

1833
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:42,790
I think it's about $8900.

1834
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,830
» Yeah.

1835
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,159
That's my number. I'm I'm okay here.

1836
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,320
We're we're discussing here but uh you

1837
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:51,840
know we as a council will have to

1838
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,840
deliberate on it and yes any

1839
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,000
recommendation but you have to realize

1840
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
that all the recommendation from agency

1841
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,679
are very cautious and we as a valuable

1842
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:03,280
something you have to take risk

1843
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,040
>> and this is what this estimate is is

1844
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,159
risk in anticipation that we're going to

1845
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,159
achieve these numbers because we can

1846
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:13,040
budget for $39 million and god forbid we

1847
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,920
only collect $30 million. Well, but

1848
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,840
that's what I'm saying. The numbers are

1849
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,719
real. I mean, and and if history is

1850
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:22,719
showing that it is, I I I agree with you

1851
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:24,960
on that. Like, if

1852
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,480
>> we've been collecting what we said we're

1853
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:27,920
going to collect and now we're saying

1854
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,080
that we're going to collect 39, then

1855
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,640
>> we should the formula should reflect us

1856
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,600
collecting 39. If not, then what? Why?

1857
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,679
does it say 39?

1858
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:40,320
>> And that's why I have no objection

1859
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,320
against the $39.3 million.

1860
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,040
>> Yeah. No, I I'm saying I want us to

1861
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,800
achieve that. I want us to collect more

1862
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,840
than that,

1863
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,400
>> but we should be limited.

1864
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:55,510
>> We should drop the allowance for unc

1865
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,159
I'm informed with that.

1866
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:04,709
>> No report.

1867
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,120
» But I'm I'm okay. I'm not I'm fine with

1868
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,000
that, but I'm I'm I'm okay with the

1869
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,470
report. I'm okay to discuss that.

1870
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:15,360
Mr.

1871
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,760
>> Have you ever decreased it in the past

1872
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,679
to any type of

1873
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:21,199
>> No, because what happened is if you look

1874
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,080
at the trend 30 million, 31 million, 32

1875
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,040
million, 33 million, it was like a

1876
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,120
>> couple hundred thousand 100,000. No,

1877
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,440
within a million of each other or less,

1878
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:32,239
>> right?

1879
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:36,080
>> But then if you look 2025 to 2026,

1880
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,830
>> $6 billion, it's not a million.

1881
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,000
So I guess another question becomes

1882
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,400
since we're not the other number how did

1883
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,239
we arrive at 33 million

1884
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:51,679
>> what what I'm sorry what' you say

1885
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,080
>> how did we arrive that we're going to um

1886
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,400
excuse me

1887
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,400
how did we arrive that we're going to

1888
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,600
have that significant increase in real

1889
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,719
property tax

1890
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:08,000
so we have a formula that essentially

1891
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,920
give the tax value um that we input

1892
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,880
from. It's a predeterminable preliminary

1893
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,159
number that we received from the

1894
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:17,600
assessments office.

1895
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,520
>> Uh uh factor that in um and it's

1896
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,360
basically a calculation that shows us so

1897
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,120
we're looking for a certain number since

1898
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:30,640
we have a gap of say 6 million.

1899
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,120
you fill that gap to and that's how we

1900
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:38,000
get the rate of it was what 1577

1901
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,640
>> with different variables at two pilot

1902
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,239
comes off goes on

1903
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:48,560
the uh assessible values increase

1904
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,760
variables that change the taxable rate

1905
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,600
>> but the formula doesn't change though

1906
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,199
this is the same formula we use now that

1907
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:58,159
you use in fast cover okay the nail on

1908
01:19:58,159 --> 01:19:58,560
the head

1909
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,640
>> so then exactly point.

1910
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,719
>> So yeah, the tax levy is standard

1911
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,320
whatever. Yes, that that's correct.

1912
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,239
We've been using that all the years is

1913
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,080
that whatever is recommended from the

1914
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,760
assessor's office that's the formula is

1915
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,400
used with those numbers and calculate

1916
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,080
the the real property real property tax

1917
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,990
line.

1918
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,520
Okay. So, this part I was getting to

1919
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,000
when I was thinking about I think when I

1920
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,719
was thinking about wave like we use it

1921
01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:34,239
to chase money instead of holding

1922
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,159
apartments within boundaries and I know

1923
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:38,239
it's difficult with staffing and like

1924
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:40,880
increases yearoveryear but I think

1925
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,880
that's part of the issue.

1926
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,960
>> What do you mean chasing chasing staff? So, you have to find the

1927
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,199
shortfall 6 million. So went right to

1928
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,760
that median line

1929
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,960
>> of revenue.

1930
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,719
>> That's a but instead of identifying

1931
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:58,400
other areas to see if there were other

1932
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,480
inefficiencies.

1933
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,679
>> Well, I think that's

1934
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,360
>> I think we're going to though. I mean I

1935
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,920
think you know we still have to

1936
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,800
>> because we have to that wasn't

1937
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,800
identified in post budget how I'm

1938
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,600
interpreting. I I kind of miss who did

1939
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:20,550
it if you don't mind. Sorry.

1940
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:21,920
» So, we're chasing dollars from a

1941
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,600
community instead of evaluating whether

1942
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:24,800
there could be more efficiencies

1943
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,630
internally.

1944
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,400
» Well, I feel like we're going to do that

1945
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,080
first of all, but remember that

1946
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,600
department heads were all asked to cut

1947
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,760
their budgets by 20%. Um, and there were

1948
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,920
some budgets as I listened to your

1949
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,000
overviews

1950
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,440
uh before our department heads

1951
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:44,640
presented.

1952
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,320
>> I think there was a budget that went up

1953
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,080
11%. I mean, I know the police

1954
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,000
department hit the 20% reduction. Um,

1955
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,159
you know what I'm saying? Like it varied

1956
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:55,679
like some of them were able to

1957
01:21:55,679 --> 01:21:58,560
>> then we looked at yearly

1958
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,840
a lot of apartments are definitely went

1959
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,719
down from 2025. there are driving

1960
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,560
factors you have health insurance

1961
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,800
retirement

1962
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,440
so that's I mean we don't really have

1963
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,960
>> we get those numbers so the retirements

1964
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,480
we get from the state so it's all

1965
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:20,800
contracted too so for example uh you

1966
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,760
know the uh police department recently

1967
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,280
got 383 so that spiked up our FRMS

1968
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,760
numbers for retirement

1969
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,800
>> so there's different factors at play um

1970
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,320
department what they could do to reduce

1971
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,760
the budgets they did uh recently. Um you

1972
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,080
did did have the police department that

1973
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,440
um you look at some of the lower

1974
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,199
deadlines are

1975
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:44,880
>> say not legitimate.

1976
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:49,840
>> Um but that's I guess have to decide

1977
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,199
expanding on your comment though

1978
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:53,280
contracts reside with the mayor and it's

1979
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,719
a comment that I'm willing to make as

1980
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:56,320
soon as he's present. So giving him the

1981
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,239
discretion of not being at the meeting.

1982
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,960
Um we're accountable to what was brought

1983
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,480
from those discussions and time and time

1984
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,320
again the statement is give me your

1985
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,840
vision. These are conversations I'm

1986
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,239
having respect the outcome. That's what

1987
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,560
we're told. So we're here based on two

1988
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,000
outcomes in part by police.

1989
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,480
>> Absolutely. And I I'm glad you touched

1990
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,239
that because they hear you talk about

1991
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:21,520
the police um the over the time line is

1992
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,880
it's low but that what was presented to

1993
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,840
us the council did that even touch that

1994
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,239
line or even I don't hear anybody

1995
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,320
talking about that that line. So I want

1996
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,600
to make that very clear about what's

1997
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,510
here and what is listening

1998
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,520
that that number was presented to us. So

1999
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,960
if we're saying that it's low then it's

2000
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,639
question should be directed at the mayor

2001
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:47,120
and the uh the person who created that

2002
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,760
budget from

2003
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,320
>> we also know that line isn't accurate.

2004
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,719
It's not right. It's what's presented to

2005
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:55,600
us but we know the function. Again the

2006
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,520
presentation is one thing but the actual

2007
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,040
practice is different and that's why we

2008
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,320
need to know like what the chances are.

2009
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,920
So if I come in and say I have this line

2010
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,159
for overtime and then and this is and

2011
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:07,840
this is true for all departments is

2012
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,679
which is why I wanted the information as where the transfers are going. What's

2013
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:14,320
happening is we're saying in line A

2014
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,320
>> we we're budgeted $100,000 in overtime.

2015
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,560
Um and then in line and and then but the

2016
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,800
actuality when the year closes out we

2017
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,120
spent $150,000

2018
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,800
in overtime and then we go well where

2019
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,800
did the extra $50,000 come from? Oh it

2020
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,480
came from line C and D from these two

2021
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,159
positions in Connecticut.

2022
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:35,520
>> So the thing is if we're not looking at

2023
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,960
the real numbers we're not having a real

2024
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,560
conversation. So

2025
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,080
>> we will we and we will never get the

2026
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,560
real number because regardless of if you

2027
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,480
were to if that line came into us with

2028
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,520
$2 million and anybody any department

2029
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,920
exceed that line they will go to the

2030
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,520
other lines and where they

2031
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,080
>> right

2032
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,320
>> left over money and they will take that

2033
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,920
money

2034
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,719
>> and and substitute for that line

2035
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,080
>> and I think that's what we heard from

2036
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,280
the department. Yeah, that's what I'm

2037
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,719
saying. That's why that's why it's kind

2038
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:04,480
of it's not a

2039
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,120
>> we're not starting off from

2040
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,480
packet too for council review back

2041
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:16,880
for years for the whole year for 24 and

2042
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,480
for

2043
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,800
maybe not something

2044
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,600
tonight. Um, but you need to take your

2045
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:31,189
time and book it.

2046
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:35,520
» I guess I guess I don't know. I mean,

2047
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:36,960
that's budgeting, right? I mean,

2048
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,920
whenever you at at our jobs when we

2049
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:44,320
present a department budget to someone,

2050
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,760
you know, you be realistic, you be

2051
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,960
conservative, you ask hopefully for

2052
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,639
stuff that, you know, maybe you're not

2053
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:54,880
going to get, and you know that at the

2054
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,400
end, I mean, I don't know all the

2055
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,000
accounting terms, but I mean, at the end

2056
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,239
of the day, if if my department budget

2057
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:05,280
was $200,000, I can't even remember, but

2058
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:10,239
And you know, in one line, I missed it

2059
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:12,639
by 20 grand, but I went over another

2060
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:15,040
line by 20 grand. My bottom line is

2061
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,880
still going to be what I projected to be

2062
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:17,600
in my budget.

2063
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,800
>> That's exactly what we're trying to get

2064
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:19,199
at.

2065
01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:20,960
>> No, I know. That's what I'm saying.

2066
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,560
That's budget. I mean, that is just

2067
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:23,600
budgeting. It is

2068
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,360
>> It is It is budgeting. However,

2069
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:25,840
everywhere.

2070
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,199
>> Yeah. However, we make decisions based

2071
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:32,400
on the priority of the line. In other

2072
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,080
words, we make decisions saying like,

2073
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,800
"Oh, well, overtime is super necessary

2074
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,520
for these reasons, right? We might say

2075
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,080
this other line C doesn't necessarily

2076
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,800
have that same priority as overtime, for

2077
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,679
example." So, when we put together the

2078
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,920
budget based on the information that's

2079
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,000
presented to us, that's how we're making

2080
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,400
our decisions. So we so it is I

2081
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,880
understand for saying it it evens out

2082
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,360
but really if we know that that line C

2083
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,760
is available with money in it then maybe

2084
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,199
that line C money goes someplace else so

2085
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,520
like so we can be we just have to have

2086
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,679
the the real numbers in front of us to

2087
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:11,120
make a better informed decision. That's

2088
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,040
what I'm saying

2089
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,800
>> but sometimes

2090
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,520
>> but it does affect how we prioritize and

2091
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,040
that does affect the bottom line. Most

2092
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,880
of the time it's salary line and someone

2093
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,520
will retire years after 6 months

2094
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,520
available salary and benefits. So that

2095
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,920
line and you know some you know in that

2096
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,520
people you know not available in that

2097
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,280
line in each department.

2098
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,199
>> So that money there that 6 month 8 month

2099
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:36,000
whatever that time line is will go

2100
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,120
towards as a cushion towards those. So

2101
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,239
there is no stop of service. So there

2102
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:43,840
won't be there won't be a stop of

2103
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,840
service provided by any department in

2104
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,760
the city because that line is not

2105
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:48,719
funded.

2106
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,080
>> That's right.

2107
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,040
>> We're still have to pay.

2108
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,920
>> Exactly. Regardless, there is money

2109
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,320
always in in every department to help

2110
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,719
push it. So you so I think it would be

2111
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:03,920
to have a more genuine conversation to

2112
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,800
say this is our cushion budget. Don't

2113
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,400
call it space rocket line C if that's

2114
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,400
not what it is. That's what I'm saying.

2115
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,760
>> I I I think if we want to then we give

2116
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,080
but then we'd be like saying we're going

2117
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,360
to have to give another million dollars

2118
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,040
to the police overtime budget or we're

2119
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,239
going to have to give another million

2120
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:24,080
dollars to the fire department overtime

2121
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,280
budget. But

2122
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,880
>> but we're saying that anyway. But we're

2123
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,239
saying that anyway with a wink and an

2124
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:29,520
eye.

2125
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,280
>> I know. But I mean we're trying to like stay within a

2126
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,400
certain

2127
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,040
>> That's that's the happy to do the real

2128
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,400
number, but then you're going to have to

2129
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,320
have a higher tax rate than 17

2130
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:41,280
something%.

2131
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,159
>> But I just we I think I think we're

2132
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,080
going around in the same circle here.

2133
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:46,960
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2134
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,639
>> Yeah.

2135
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,639
>> Every department they have a budget,

2136
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:50,880
>> right?

2137
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,400
>> And they have many lines that they will

2138
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,199
not utilize on 100% in any given budget

2139
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:56,480
at any given year.

2140
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,520
>> Well, that's why we're going

2141
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,920
>> and that's why that's why they have in

2142
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,320
every department they have cushion. So

2143
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,120
if you come to me and say well I I

2144
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,199
wanted a million dollar but I only

2145
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:09,120
budgeted for $850

2146
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,199
>> then you were asked to make a reduction

2147
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,920
in your overall budget because because

2148
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,400
of the the situation that is in front of

2149
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,199
us. So

2150
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:21,280
people need to understand it to live

2151
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,600
within their means and to do what they

2152
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,000
have and if you're shortfall there will

2153
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,080
be lines that you can go after and

2154
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,000
recoup some money and help you keep

2155
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,239
floating and move on.

2156
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,400
So I'm not I'm not even worried about

2157
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,320
someone talking about well we have a

2158
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,880
shortfall from line or two. I agree

2159
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,480
>> at the end of the year it all evens out.

2160
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:43,440
We don't

2161
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:46,880
>> well it does happen.

2162
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,560
>> So just just accident

2163
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,239
>> No, I mean overall the overall

2164
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:51,520
>> Miss Patrick, you mentioned that that

2165
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,840
the budget came in at 20% across all

2166
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,639
department.

2167
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,639
>> No, no, I didn't say that. I I said that

2168
01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:58,480
that's what they were asked to do and

2169
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,159
they were the goal.

2170
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:02,560
>> Oh, that was the goal to so we didn't

2171
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,440
reduce our the tax cap.

2172
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:09,270
>> But that didn't happen.

2173
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,679
» Okay. I want to clear that because that

2174
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:13,360
>> we heard that. I mean as I mean I think

2175
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,679
you started every department head

2176
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:18,560
conversation with what the

2177
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,679
>> increase or the decrease was um in your

2178
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,120
general what was that called the general

2179
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,120
overview of each department.

2180
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:29,679
>> So so so let's wrap up this um this this

2181
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:30,480
>> I couldn't go

2182
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:34,400
>> this allowance this uncollect um

2183
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,639
allowance for uncollected. We're going

2184
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,800
to wait till tomorrow have the report.

2185
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,679
But I think this is a global line for us

2186
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,719
to look at seriously in terms of the

2187
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:49,280
trend from 43.3 million to 49.3 million.

2188
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,440
That is a $6 million difference. I have

2189
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:57,189
it as follows for tomorrow.

2190
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,199
» Any any other questions, Sam? We did

2191
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:01,520
cover all of that. The only thing I

2192
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,639
didn't was the um when will the to

2193
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,960
contract be negotiated? I know the law

2194
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,719
department has a copy to know when

2195
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:10,880
everybody um

2196
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,480
let me ask who has

2197
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,159
>> so

2198
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:20,470
yesterday we saw in revenue line

2199
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:24,960
so our to uh day 1789 in revenue the

2200
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,199
search charge doubled for towing search

2201
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,960
charge and it doubled for the impound

2202
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:33,120
time. So my question was you know

2203
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,760
>> what why is that like what's happening

2204
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,159
to justify that

2205
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,639
>> um

2206
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:45,040
mentioned prior went over the u armies

2207
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,760
uh briefly um the chief indicated that

2208
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,639
uh new to contract would have been

2209
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:54,159
negotiated

2210
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,560
and council

2211
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,760
>> and so and this is projected based on

2212
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:00,239
that

2213
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:01,520
>> the new contract

2214
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,679
>> new contract the possibility for a

2215
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:04,560
contract to the cler

2216
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:05,440
>> correct

2217
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:07,520
>> so when but that's your back to your

2218
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:08,960
question then when are they going to

2219
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,199
know right that was your original

2220
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:12,080
question

2221
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,360
>> but we don't know that

2222
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,440
>> so I'd say this is sincerely the same

2223
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:18,320
conversation we had with least last year

2224
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,880
I feel very comfortable with the

2225
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,719
hypothetical when we'll have the

2226
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:31,350
discussion when we'll deal

2227
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,280
Yes.

2228
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,480
Currently implemented in the city

2229
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,960
trying to forecast a conversation that

2230
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,719
will and may happen because contract

2231
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:43,280
discussions go plainly and smoothly at

2232
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,840
all times. Right.

2233
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,760
>> That was sarcastic people.

2234
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,639
>> Sorry. Again, I think going off of the

2235
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:53,679
assurances that we've gotten before, I I

2236
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:55,920
think at some point we need to call a

2237
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,239
state. I I I think what does it say?

2238
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,800
Fool me once. Shame on me or listening

2239
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,719
to to historical precedents that we want

2240
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:05,520
to highlight. Um I think historically

2241
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,000
this council has been presented with

2242
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,440
things are going to present the way that

2243
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:13,120
they are. I'm confident this will

2244
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,159
happen. what happens when those fall in

2245
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,880
the bowl and then we fill it with

2246
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,600
general fund balance. I'm saying at this

2247
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,760
point we should not continue that. If we

2248
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,840
do not have a contract in place, we

2249
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,440
should not be anticipating something.

2250
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,120
If those conversations happen at least

2251
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,280
start at least not done. think that's

2252
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,199
improved.

2253
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:37,520
>> Okay, I have to that we're anticipating

2254
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,520
that people that we're speaking to are

2255
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,880
going to say, "Oh, yes, I don't mind

2256
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,120
being by this." And what if they say no?

2257
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,440
What do we do? And I think it's

2258
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:51,520
interesting how we got to double

2259
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,679
>> that would be a question for the chief.

2260
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:55,920
>> Okay, that that's that's sign double

2261
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:56,400
everything.

2262
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:57,600
>> So that's the question we need the

2263
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,880
answer to. So So I I guess what are you

2264
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,040
recommending that we

2265
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,040
um both you Mr. Farley and Mr. Williams

2266
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,440
recommend that we not double the amount

2267
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:08,400
in terms of revenue.

2268
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,320
>> So I think the question is the the first

2269
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,719
question is the question for the chief

2270
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,400
to say like you know why why doubling it

2271
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,639
instead of increasing it why increasing

2272
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:20,719
it but double I think that that's a fair

2273
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:22,239
question and then the second question

2274
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,320
would be when do we anticipate these

2275
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,520
contract negotiations to uh start take

2276
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,719
place? sure if they are available

2277
01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:36,070
tomorrow

2278
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:43,350
questions.

2279
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,199
» Okay, go ahead please.

2280
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,679
>> Do I remember something um that we had

2281
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:50,320
maybe in

2282
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,520
executive session or somewhere

2283
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,199
different contracts or um for this

2284
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,239
particular line?

2285
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:00,639
I don't

2286
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:02,880
>> companies were being

2287
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,280
No.

2288
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:03,679
>> Okay.

2289
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:08,629
>> I don't remember talking about

2290
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:11,920
» we did something.

2291
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,679
>> Oh, yeah.

2292
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:16,320
>> I don't think they have

2293
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,320
>> that.

2294
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:18,719
Well,

2295
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:20,960
>> yeah, but that might have

2296
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,320
>> like don't Yeah.

2297
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:23,679
>> I mean, that's why when we when they get

2298
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:25,440
here, we just ask and then we'll know

2299
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,440
like how longive session.

2300
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:31,199
>> Yeah. Just asking how we got here.

2301
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:43,669
>> You're right. I remember now.

2302
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:45,679
» So you got a hand.

2303
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:49,350
>> Not about

2304
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,400
me.

2305
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,080
>> M you want you had some recommendation.

2306
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:59,040
>> Yeah. So I really wanted to visit the L

2307
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,470
1081.

2308
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:06,159
Our increase was um

2309
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,360
from 24 to

2310
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:13,520
25 we had you know like 136,000 I

2311
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,360
believe and then now we're going up

2312
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,600
300,000. But um

2313
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,440
my concern here is that we're

2314
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,480
continually increasing taxes on

2315
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:28,960
residents and then our our our pilots

2316
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,960
are not really increasing at that low.

2317
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:36,000
So um I currently we have 154 pilots in

2318
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,760
the county. They're not all in the city,

2319
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:42,480
but we do have them. And so how do we

2320
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:44,800
and by the way 3 months ago I started

2321
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,320
asking for information about the pilots

2322
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,080
because I knew we were going to be here

2323
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,920
and haven't gotten everything that I

2324
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,880
need. So it's takes some time. I think

2325
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:57,280
we really need to talk about how we

2326
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,520
anticipate revenue from the pilots. Now

2327
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,040
we may not be able to change things and

2328
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,560
not in time to like change the revenue

2329
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,119
in this budget. However, I also feel

2330
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:07,040
that there still warrants the fund

2331
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,040
balance quite frankly. And so my

2332
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,080
calculation here is going into the fund

2333
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,719
balance how we can replenish it. I say

2334
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:16,239
that pilots is the place that we should

2335
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:20,639
be looking in terms of that. So um I

2336
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:21,920
don't know that we can I mean I'm

2337
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:22,960
waiting for all the information about

2338
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,639
the pilots to see what's dropped off and

2339
01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:26,320
if we can even be putting more revenue

2340
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,400
in here. Hopefully I'll have that for

2341
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,440
the end of this week. But if I if I

2342
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,679
don't I'm really pushing for it if I

2343
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:36,400
don't. But we should talk about as we

2344
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,520
have to go not below 15% but we have to

2345
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,679
go more into the fund balance in order

2346
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:45,040
to fill the gaps in this budget that how

2347
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,360
we then replenish the fund balance and

2348
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,040
that for me is one of the areas that we

2349
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,520
need to do that.

2350
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:52,719
>> So Mr. Mary.

2351
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:55,600
>> Yeah. As it currently stands, that would

2352
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:56,800
involve a conversation with the

2353
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,320
metroplex some

2354
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:59,920
>> which I think could happen between now

2355
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:02,480
and budget season and I don't know if we

2356
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:06,960
discuss removing or including factors to

2357
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,119
those discussions with the council like

2358
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,199
removing the ability to enter these

2359
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:12,960
agreements

2360
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,159
or putting in place stipulations where

2361
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,719
they have to inform the tax assessor the

2362
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:20,960
initial stage of when these are

2363
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,480
conceptualized.

2364
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:26,159
Um or we can just pause it

2365
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:29,119
indefinitely.

2366
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:31,840
>> Well, I I I would say pause it because

2367
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,239
we need development. We need people to

2368
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,480
come in and open these business. But I

2369
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,080
agree with you. We need to revisit it.

2370
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,440
We need

2371
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:41,679
>> not the conversation

2372
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:45,040
uh pilots but no

2373
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:45,760
responding.

2374
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,800
>> I I we shouldn't suggest that because uh

2375
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,639
it will affect investment. Yes, we yes,

2376
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:54,880
every municipality they do have these

2377
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,560
programs, but I think yes, we need to

2378
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,080
revisit it. We need to get more

2379
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,199
involved.

2380
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:00,800
>> We need to know what's happening. We

2381
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,880
don't need to wait until every budget

2382
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,800
and then we're seeing the numbers and

2383
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,280
seeing how many pilots are we having.

2384
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,560
>> Like I said, I started asking this

2385
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,480
question a few months ago, so I wasn't

2386
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:13,280
down here. And so, um, I'm going to say

2387
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,080
that

2388
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,440
>> I don't know if we need to pause it, but

2389
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,119
I understand that, you know, that's what

2390
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,199
development is to welcome development to

2391
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,040
our city. But the whole purpose when we

2392
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,119
started was the pilots when there was a

2393
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:25,119
time when we needed really a lot of

2394
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:27,040
development but as the mayor currently

2395
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,280
states where the envy of so many places.

2396
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,119
So are we do we still need to do pilots

2397
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,119
at the level that we're doing them is

2398
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:38,320
really a question and and how much and are our pilots extending what the

2399
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:43,199
recommended time frame is. So um yes

2400
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:45,040
extremely involved in the decision maker

2401
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,760
frankly on the pilots but that's the

2402
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,040
entire city. So we do need to have more

2403
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:55,600
involvement in how this is. Um and also

2404
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,119
I'd like to see like this is the

2405
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,119
recommendation and so this this number

2406
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:01,920
came from the assessor's office as well.

2407
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,360
>> This was it in conversation with uh

2408
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,000
supervisor receipts. Uh I believe there

2409
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,800
were six to between six and nine

2410
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,080
additions to uh the pilots. That's why

2411
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,560
this number increased by

2412
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,719
>> it's it's I wrote it down when we had we

2413
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:20,880
asked the question

2414
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,199
presentations I wrote down 95 that's

2415
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:25,520
what that number represents I mean it's

2416
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,360
obviously an economic development tool

2417
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,040
it's how it's going to be did get to the

2418
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,400
thought um and it is a metroplex um

2419
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:39,440
negotiation um you know I read the book

2420
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:43,679
metroplex but um you know I If you want

2421
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:45,840
to have Mr. Gillan came in, he did send

2422
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,920
an email to you that listed all the

2423
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,000
pilots and listed information about it.

2424
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,440
But he would be the person that you

2425
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:52,800
would need to have

2426
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,960
>> in touch with him and and just he did

2427
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,719
send that and corresponded

2428
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:58,719
>> other county too. I mean, you'd have to

2429
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:00,080
talk to the county and

2430
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,159
>> well

2431
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:03,520
that yes, we'd have to talk to the

2432
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,760
county, but um are we really getting

2433
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:06,960
what we should be getting in these

2434
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,520
pilots? I think you have to, again, I'm

2435
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,040
not the expert, but I mean, I think

2436
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,400
talking to them, but I mean, I think

2437
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,400
you'd have to balance. Do we want to

2438
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,080
continue to try to bring new businesses

2439
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,199
into town? Um, especially, you know, as

2440
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,520
businesses leave, as businesses grow, as

2441
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,040
businesses of outer pilot. Um, do we

2442
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:26,639
want to keep having that economic

2443
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:29,360
development happening or do we want to

2444
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,159
pause it to use the word that I mean,

2445
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:33,520
you know, you know what I'm saying? We

2446
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,199
have to it all and it's all one big

2447
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:37,760
puzzle, right? It's all how does how

2448
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,400
does what how does our education system

2449
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,560
come into play? How does our housing

2450
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,199
market come into play? Um you know all

2451
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:47,840
of it works together in terms of how we

2452
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,520
bring um people and and businesses to

2453
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,560
town. Um so it's it's it's a very large

2454
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,040
>> I I think over the years and I think we

2455
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,280
have this over time and time again on

2456
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,679
this council here that um

2457
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,000
>> we need to get more involved and I

2458
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,239
appreciate uh Mr. William bringing us

2459
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,080
back and for discussion here you know at

2460
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:09,360
this time

2461
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:14,400
>> miss poor you know so um we have talked

2462
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:15,920
I can remember as long as on this

2463
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,560
council here that um we need to get more

2464
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,119
involved because we we don't know what's

2465
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:22,639
happening

2466
01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:24,560
and to ask for report and we're not

2467
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,880
getting it then that's that's a no no

2468
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,520
for us. We should be

2469
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,440
>> we should be having those those report

2470
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,840
accessible to us at any given time and

2471
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,199
there should be no reason why the

2472
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:38,000
council shouldn't get those reports. So

2473
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,760
we should follow up and make sure that

2474
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,199
reports available and shared to the

2475
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:45,679
council. But I think it's I don't think uh we want to stop

2476
01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:48,480
investment coming but I think we need to

2477
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:50,800
get we need to get a more more better

2478
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,679
understanding of what's happening and is

2479
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,400
it the right numbers that they're given

2480
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,080
to these business can we get more

2481
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,400
>> the time I mean like look at 5 years ago

2482
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,040
versus now we're very competitive now

2483
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:05,760
>> yes we are

2484
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,080
>> 5 years ago or 10 years ago when people

2485
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,840
were saying okay come invest we'll give

2486
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:10,880
you whatever you want

2487
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,159
>> right Now we're hot bad for investment

2488
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:17,119
now. So it's two different ball game

2489
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:19,679
here. So I think we need to to find out

2490
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:21,040
to make sure we're getting our fair

2491
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,360
share in terms of this pilot and to

2492
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,400
continue it make sure that the school

2493
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,320
and the city and everybody in the county

2494
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,719
is getting the the the right amount of

2495
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:31,920
money

2496
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,560
>> from this from these programs.

2497
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:35,840
>> Messed up.

2498
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:36,800
>> Excuse me. I just want to make

2499
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,239
clarifying points about something that

2500
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:39,920
you said that we weren't getting

2501
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,719
reports. We did get there was a group

2502
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,960
asked and we did get a report. However,

2503
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,199
it did not contain the information that

2504
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:49,199
I received. So, we did get a

2505
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,880
>> Oh, I'm sorry. So I I just said can you

2506
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,719
please uh you should reply to the email

2507
01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:56,159
and just kind of like let you know as

2508
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:58,159
>> I already done that already done that

2509
01:43:58,159 --> 01:43:59,600
just but I just want to make sure that

2510
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,040
everybody understands I did ask for

2511
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,639
something and what I've got was not the

2512
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:04,880
information I was seeking and so I asked

2513
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,119
for additional information and right now

2514
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,119
um the assessor's office is actually

2515
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,800
putting something together as well. She

2516
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,320
just said it's going to take a while

2517
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:16,080
because um so just for for information

2518
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,560
sake the contracts are negotiated and

2519
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,639
then given to the assessor. So it's not

2520
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:24,320
even like we may have some say in it.

2521
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,639
It's all done tied with a ribbon and

2522
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:27,440
deliberately.

2523
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:31,760
>> So that needs to change and I'm not

2524
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:32,239
>> um

2525
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:34,880
>> well we a council we could discuss that

2526
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,880
and and and try to get a better

2527
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,320
understanding of what is our

2528
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,040
responsibility. Do we have capacity to

2529
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,199
do any change and to kind of reinforce

2530
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:48,159
it and how do we get information prior

2531
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:51,840
to as you said tying the revolver?

2532
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:55,520
>> So, so the I guess the point I'm trying

2533
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,440
to make I think we're heading down that

2534
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,760
road is that it's not just about us

2535
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,639
getting the information after the fact.

2536
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:05,679
Um it's like where are where are the

2537
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,679
checks and balances

2538
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:10,560
to because right now we're here trying

2539
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,080
to figure out how these things impact

2540
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,520
the city. So the city so my question

2541
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,679
again and I know it might sound like a

2542
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:22,159
basic question but I think that

2543
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:23,600
sometimes we get asked those basic

2544
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:27,520
questions why why don't we have why

2545
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:32,000
don't we have the ability to approve

2546
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,800
pilots or or disapprove pilots? Why is

2547
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,040
it structured like that? I'm sure

2548
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,119
there's a lot of reasons why, but

2549
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:40,320
>> I'm sure.

2550
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,800
>> But again, a lot of times when we look

2551
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,320
at things how they're done, it's like,

2552
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,480
well, that's the way we did it for the

2553
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:49,119
last 10 years. And now we're looking at

2554
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:51,040
a very city, a very different city right

2555
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,199
now that we did 10 years ago. So in

2556
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,199
order to use that same formula that

2557
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:58,080
we've been using 10 years ago, makes no

2558
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:58,880
sense.

2559
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,520
>> So that's what that's what I just said.

2560
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:02,400
Or maybe they are

2561
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,639
>> 5 10 years ago.

2562
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:06,159
>> Maybe they're not. Well, maybe they're

2563
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:07,600
not using the same formula, but they're

2564
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,199
still using the same decision making

2565
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:10,159
formula.

2566
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:11,600
>> Correct.

2567
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,639
>> Yeah.

2568
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:17,189
>> That's not giving our perspectives.

2569
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,119
» So, how do we change that? That's the

2570
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:23,280
question. Any ideas?

2571
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:24,560
>> I'm next. Sorry.

2572
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,960
>> I I was next.

2573
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,080
>> I didn't know if you were done though.

2574
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,520
>> Yeah, I was saying any ideas how we

2575
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:30,080
change it.

2576
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,320
>> Go ahead. Well, I I guess my suggestion

2577
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,520
would be that you know we invite Mr.

2578
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,159
Gillan to come to a meeting and or and

2579
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:41,520
or we also could find out. I don't know

2580
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,600
if their meetings are open. I I think

2581
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,600
they are. In other words, we could go to

2582
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,600
their Metroplex board meeting or anybody

2583
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:48,639
could

2584
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:51,520
>> um and you know ask the questions of the

2585
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,480
Metroplex board and um you know observe

2586
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:57,840
it um the way you would anything that

2587
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:01,119
any of us go to to try to learn more. Um

2588
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:02,880
but those would be my two suggestions

2589
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,520
that we invite folks here to talk to us

2590
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,280
about that maybe a special meeting or

2591
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,679
during a committee meeting I guess. um

2592
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:12,880
and or we probably could be invited or

2593
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,119
ask if we could attend a Metroplex Board

2594
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:16,800
meeting and find out a little ask some

2595
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,639
questions at those. So those you know go

2596
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:19,840
to the source.

2597
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,880
>> Um and then I think also you'd have to

2598
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,520
probably ask Mr. Gardner to come in from

2599
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,440
the county because he obviously has

2600
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,760
quite a leadership role in this process

2601
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,280
as well. Um so

2602
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:34,880
>> well the Yeah, that's

2603
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,480
>> Do you think that he I'm sorry. Do you

2604
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,320
think that he has a

2605
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,639
>> I'm not sure about negotiating those

2606
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:41,199
contracts?

2607
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:42,639
>> I don't know if he has a leadership role

2608
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:43,840
in it, but I'm just saying

2609
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:45,840
>> I was going to say I think we're we're

2610
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,199
stepping here.

2611
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,600
>> We need to find out we we need to find

2612
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,719
out as the body here. What is our roles

2613
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:54,880
and responsibility with regards to the

2614
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,679
pilot and then we move forward because

2615
01:47:57,679 --> 01:47:58,880
we're not going to go fishing for

2616
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,520
information from XYZ. What is our roles

2617
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,440
and responsibility as a council and then

2618
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:08,480
take it from there. Maybe we have we have some rules that

2619
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,239
>> maybe we don't know about it.

2620
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:14,239
>> I So yes and

2621
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,400
sorry

2622
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,960
uniform. Okay. Sorry.

2623
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,560
>> So I think the the

2624
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,119
additional question is not just defining

2625
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:27,440
what are our roles and responsibilities

2626
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:30,239
as they currently exist. I guess the

2627
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:33,920
question is why are our roles

2628
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,400
responsibilities the way they ought as

2629
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,440
it currently exists? Because

2630
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:42,239
and I don't think that you know

2631
01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:45,040
these agreements are made somehow.

2632
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,040
Sometimes it's like oh there's state

2633
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:48,880
legislation that says this and it's like

2634
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,440
oh that's why it's done that way. And

2635
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:54,159
sometimes it's like because

2636
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:56,880
we were in a tough spot and we really

2637
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,280
needed this help but now we're just two

2638
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,119
or three people are deciding making

2639
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:04,159
these big decisions and that's not a so

2640
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:06,239
it's like not only what our

2641
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:07,920
responsibility is viable. So maybe

2642
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,360
that's even something corporation

2643
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,440
council could start to look at and say

2644
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:12,560
how do we decide that

2645
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,719
>> and and I about to say this is something

2646
01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:17,199
that we should be if you're passionate

2647
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:20,080
about it here we should bring it as an

2648
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,480
item on the committee meeting and

2649
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,320
cooperation council will kind of do some

2650
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,320
research for us and you know kind of

2651
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,239
like okay where do we stand in terms of

2652
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,119
this because and just to add to that the

2653
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:35,199
ID we we know that the ID uh city

2654
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:38,960
council is responsible for um putting

2655
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:41,119
members there. How much of us know that

2656
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:43,280
we have the responsibility

2657
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:47,360
>> to to recommend a member to that board?

2658
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,199
>> But I think there's a limit but I just

2659
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:51,040
you know I would like to really dive

2660
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:51,600
that deep

2661
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:52,960
>> because it's not relable.

2662
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,639
>> We can't do anything about it right now.

2663
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:56,960
>> So um there is an organizing document

2664
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,639
and so I appreciate you saying that we

2665
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:00,239
should have a corporation council but

2666
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,560
I'm also always of the opinion that all

2667
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,040
of us can do our own research. So there

2668
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,719
is a document that um an organizing

2669
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:10,719
document for metroplex I can share with

2670
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:12,320
all of you so that we can read through

2671
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,400
and then be more well informed as we

2672
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,639
continue with this budget. go um and

2673
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:19,840
make sure that we're getting everything

2674
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,600
we need. But again, my it circles back

2675
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,600
to me for how can we increase the amount

2676
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,000
that we're getting in pilots so that

2677
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,159
it's it's helping our budget because

2678
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,000
essentially what is happening without

2679
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:36,560
doing that is that our residents

2680
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,360
are absorbing more of the cost for that

2681
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,360
as opposed to the developers who are

2682
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:42,960
we're all benefiting but who are getting

2683
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:48,310
the initial benefit.

2684
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,199
So I was going to highlight that in my

2685
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:53,920
opinion why this bell that Miss Ferill

2686
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,199
has been ringing for the past few months

2687
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:58,080
is sounding louder now is because out of

2688
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,960
the many functions that we have are most

2689
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,880
vital to the city is the budget. So I

2690
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,560
think leveraging the conversations that

2691
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,639
we're required to have that force a

2692
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,239
response

2693
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,400
is part of the calculation that we all

2694
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:14,400
have to make. Um so I think um putting

2695
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,119
out a request of having Mr. Gillan here

2696
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:20,000
and in the next few days before we are

2697
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,080
required to have a determination

2698
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:23,679
presented to the city and to the mayor

2699
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:27,199
to review. Um I think that is what we

2700
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:30,480
have at our mercy. Um because what I've

2701
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:33,119
come to find is once removed from the

2702
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:35,760
budget sometimes we are given second

2703
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:43,589
consideration.

2704
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,920
» That's not a bad idea. I think we can

2705
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,760
move forward and not drop it because

2706
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:52,719
many time we discuss it and sometimes we

2707
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:54,080
I don't know pick it up and move

2708
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,159
forward.

2709
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:59,040
change up

2710
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:04,390
management

2711
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:18,870
affect

2712
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:19,679
» any comments.

2713
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:22,560
>> Oh, yeah. Sorry.

2714
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,360
I I don't I mean what's done is done

2715
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,440
moving forward definitely we should be

2716
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,920
getting more more money off of a pilot

2717
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,840
contractually whatever whoever does

2718
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,400
these pilots if we want more and more at

2719
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,880
the role of it moving forward I think we

2720
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,639
should look into that but as far as

2721
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:43,040
having our budget proceedings I I can't

2722
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,560
see the sense of that that

2723
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:51,830
earlier so let's film that's

2724
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:56,159
We can't get more pilots than today.

2725
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:57,679
>> Sorry.

2726
01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:00,320
>> Right. Just help me out here. So

2727
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,320
>> I can't help you understand. You told me

2728
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,990
what you're not understand.

2729
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,480
» So Miss Porterfield, how much more money

2730
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,560
do you think we could get from these

2731
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,639
pilots for this year's budget?

2732
01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:14,800
>> So I'm not saying that we get it this

2733
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,639
year. I'm not saying that. What I am

2734
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:20,000
saying I am saying is that we I feel

2735
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:21,280
like we're going to have to go into the

2736
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:22,400
fund balance

2737
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,119
>> and if we're going to have to do that

2738
01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:28,000
then um then we're going to need a way

2739
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,639
to refund that. So this to me is one. So

2740
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:32,400
the reason and also the reason I asked

2741
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,719
for the pilot report is to see like

2742
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:37,199
really um deeply and you know it's it's

2743
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:38,639
too late now to change anything that

2744
01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:40,080
well I don't know what the reason

2745
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:44,159
because it's conceivable that we are um

2746
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:46,080
there are pilots that were are still

2747
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,000
getting their pilot actually their pilot

2748
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:56,159
agreement has um expired. So yes, it's very possible and you know I went

2749
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:59,040
to a training um about this and the

2750
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,280
other thing is that generally pilots

2751
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,440
generally are 10 years and we so what

2752
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:05,280
I'm looking for is how long our pilots

2753
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,199
do we have any that have expired and

2754
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:08,880
they're still getting their pilot and do

2755
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,719
we automatically get that money but I

2756
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:14,000
need the report to to fix to do that and

2757
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,159
I guess conceivably we could if that's

2758
01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:19,040
the case put money in this budget I

2759
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,440
don't know but that's where

2760
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:23,199
>> case in this number can change

2761
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:24,480
throughout the year based on

2762
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,080
conversations that are had absent the

2763
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,159
council. So that's truly the relevance

2764
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,320
of having this now and I don't think it

2765
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:31,840
is unrealistic to how I'm going to deal

2766
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:32,800
with percent year

2767
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,760
>> in the next few days

2768
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,000
ascertain the how this budget line

2769
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,000
functions because quite honestly if we

2770
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,760
do not understand it how can you pass a

2771
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:42,639
budget

2772
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,320
>> without a clear understanding of how

2773
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:49,669
each line functions

2774
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:52,480
Patrick and then go ahead

2775
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,800
>> um yeah I think that would be good to

2776
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,040
have him come if we condemn um over the

2777
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,880
next couple of days um and see if

2778
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:00,159
there's and maybe I don't know if our

2779
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:01,360
finance people know if there's

2780
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,040
flexibility on that number or if that's

2781
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,560
just a number given to us and even like

2782
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,880
you know what I said earlier

2783
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,800
I mean I think we do need to understand

2784
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:14,159
you know who is involved in in you know

2785
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:16,560
maybe I said maybe Mr. Gardner is I

2786
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,159
don't know if that's for sure or not I'm

2787
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,840
not I don't know you see what I'm saying

2788
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:22,960
like so I think having Mr. Gillan come.

2789
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,880
No. Exactly. Exactly. So, what I'm

2790
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:25,840
saying is

2791
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,000
>> I don't know and I don't know if I if

2792
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,560
I'm accurate. So, I agree that having

2793
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,599
someone come in like Mr. Gillan, right,

2794
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:35,920
and kind of explain the process and

2795
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,239
>> talk to us about it would be a good

2796
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:39,199
thing.

2797
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:41,679
>> Understanding the pilot and how it works

2798
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:43,520
is going to be beneficial to all of us,

2799
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,599
>> right? And that's how it's a starting

2800
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:48,560
point for us to say what is our roles

2801
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,840
and responsibility and what do we do

2802
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:53,920
move forward into the next year or this

2803
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,159
budget or into the next budget. How do

2804
01:55:56,159 --> 01:55:57,199
we move forward?

2805
01:55:57,199 --> 01:55:58,400
>> Yeah.

2806
01:55:58,400 --> 01:55:59,599
>> I'm sorry.

2807
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:01,679
>> It's one of it's one of thing that we

2808
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:04,400
over years we asked we will get the

2809
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,599
report and that's all we getting and the

2810
01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:09,199
numbers.

2811
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:11,840
So, and I think it's important that we

2812
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,599
recognize that even though we're dealing

2813
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:16,159
with the budget one year at a time, the

2814
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:17,760
implications of our budget don't fall

2815
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:19,199
within the calendar year.

2816
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:19,840
>> That's right.

2817
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:20,719
>> So,

2818
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:24,080
>> we are here today based on prior

2819
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,920
decisions and practices. So, I think

2820
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,239
it's completely appropriate for us to be

2821
01:56:28,239 --> 01:56:31,280
talking about that having that

2822
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,040
conversation now cuz there is a

2823
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,199
possibility cuz you don't know what you

2824
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,040
don't know. There might be a possibility

2825
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,119
to where there is money that can enter

2826
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,199
in. We can increase revenue in this

2827
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:44,320
budget based on that conversation. But

2828
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:48,000
at least we can talk we can look towards

2829
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,719
our future forecast to say okay because

2830
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:52,560
there will be another budget process

2831
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:55,840
happening at this table a year from now

2832
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,239
and our responsibility is really to

2833
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,639
ensure the ensure the future. This

2834
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:02,719
doesn't just happen in a in a silo for

2835
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:05,199
this budget. So m to Mr. Williams

2836
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:06,800
appointment but it's very yellow and

2837
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,040
miss

2838
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,119
>> as well as I'm sorry

2839
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:12,239
>> no I just wanted to make sure we were

2840
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:13,599
all on the same picture

2841
01:57:13,599 --> 01:57:18,560
>> so between um 24 23 and 24 the actual

2842
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,440
the pilot the difference was $75,000 to

2843
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,360
$600

2844
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:23,920
>> and

2845
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,360
>> which way

2846
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:29,119
>> so we increased by that just by $75,000

2847
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:32,560
>> so it I think you know just looking

2848
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:36,320
around we've had a tremendous amount of

2849
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,480
development within that time frame. So

2850
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:40,159
$75,000

2851
01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:46,229
and then the next time

2852
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:50,239
uh it was $130,000. So

2853
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:53,440
>> this time from oh I'm sorry from 20 uh

2854
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,199
well we don't know the actual yet that

2855
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:57,599
was the adopted so we in anticipating

2856
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,080
that we would get another 30. So I don't

2857
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,760
have the actual and we don't have all

2858
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,080
the dates. I mean we mentioned that the

2859
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:04,960
other day

2860
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:09,910
>> all the year dates should be

2861
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:12,719
» right. So um which I have here. So I

2862
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:14,719
that's why we need to be taking those

2863
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:16,480
weren't those weren't significant in my

2864
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:17,760
opinion. Those weren't significant

2865
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:19,840
increases given the level of development

2866
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:21,440
that we have.

2867
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,440
So for what we need to do directly if

2868
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:24,960
you can help us with this report here

2869
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,119
can kind of reach out to metroplex uh

2870
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,760
ask for a report we should also when we

2871
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,840
ask for the report for the pilot we

2872
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,840
should also ask for the last two or

2873
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:37,199
three years in terms of the pilot how

2874
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:40,960
many was added how many dropped off and

2875
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:43,520
how many renewals

2876
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,400
will shape the numbers in a in where we

2877
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,400
are because we may look the number up or

2878
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,159
down but we don't know if anybody got it

2879
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:52,560
if any dropped off any added any

2880
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:55,199
extension and how much will release for

2881
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:58,960
the tax base for the full full assess uh

2882
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,599
tax.

2883
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:06,480
>> I think that report is would be helpful.

2884
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,960
>> I Okay. I mean I've kind of I've asked

2885
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:10,480
for that but we can and I can tell you

2886
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,040
what the um response was but we can ask

2887
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,920
again perhaps coming from the more

2888
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,239
>> well that's why I ask you finance

2889
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,040
commission also to ask for that report

2890
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:25,760
>> in the last 3 years including 2025

2891
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,000
>> total pilot

2892
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,480
>> new pilot how many was dropped off and

2893
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:34,400
how many hit the regular tax base

2894
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:36,480
>> actually we're on we're already over

2895
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:39,119
what we did anticipate in 2025.

2896
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:40,639
>> Yeah,

2897
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:43,199
>> we're at 105%.

2898
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:45,119
>> But I do think it's worth noting because

2899
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:46,400
individuals listening to this

2900
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:47,920
conversation at the table and at the

2901
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:49,280
room when certain comments are made

2902
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,679
about being stuck in considerations, I

2903
01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:53,280
know we cannot put individuals on the

2904
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,280
spot, but I only want to hear what those

2905
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,599
responses had or have not been when

2906
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:04,229
those requests were submitted.

2907
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:06,719
» Yep. We we can get those report and we

2908
02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:09,360
can reach out to them.

2909
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:14,070
Michelates.

2910
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:15,520
» I would recommend both.

2911
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,000
>> Okay.

2912
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,560
>> We have tomorrow on Friday.

2913
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,400
>> So you be reaching out on our behalf and

2914
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:27,360
>> commission.

2915
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,760
And you also have a report to

2916
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,199
>> I was going to say I recommend the

2917
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:33,760
council and myself

2918
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,119
>> both.

2919
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:38,709
>> Yes. Okay.

2920
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:40,320
» Are you going to come back to your

2921
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:41,360
report?

2922
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:42,880
>> I'm going to I'm going to forward the

2923
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,040
report that that that I have that's not

2924
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:46,480
everything because there's as I said

2925
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:49,599
there's 154 and I'll just forward the um

2926
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:52,159
report that I have which is not so for

2927
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:53,599
all of you that actually look at that

2928
02:00:53,599 --> 02:00:56,000
while he's asking for that. We did this

2929
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,000
electronically too what you just

2930
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:03,189
>> gave

2931
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,320
Eric speak about management uh report

2932
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,560
perfect

2933
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,360
council members just four points I want

2934
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:12,800
to make about this

2935
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,280
>> one is that

2936
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,800
fulfill the request that we have here

2937
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,320
tonight I created it from scratch I did

2938
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:23,040
not I created this document from scratch

2939
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:27,920
so it was done in a very very peaceful

2940
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:32,159
manner. So if you do see a typo, please

2941
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:33,679
don't hold me. You know,

2942
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:34,880
>> I'm impressed that you're able to do

2943
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:35,599
that.

2944
02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:40,080
>> To um the 2024

2945
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:44,560
expenses, if if you look at your 2026

2946
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:47,599
uh proposed budget, it excludes every

2947
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:52,239
single division line goes into the

2948
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:55,119
department cost. So I added all those

2949
02:01:55,119 --> 02:01:56,320
manually also.

2950
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:59,280
>> Oh jeez.

2951
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:03,040
>> Three on this second page.

2952
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:07,760
Um the percentages we see 80 and 5%

2953
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:09,280
respectively

2954
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:12,960
on the 24 to the 25 and the 25 to the

2955
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:16,639
26. Uh the comparison lines again

2956
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:18,320
faculty.

2957
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:22,880
Those numbers are not representative

2958
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,360
which will go into my fourth point which

2959
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:28,960
is when you look at management and

2960
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,679
you're not getting an accurate number.

2961
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:33,360
For example,

2962
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,679
if a

2963
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:40,000
management position existed in 24 and

2964
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,639
not in 26,

2965
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:46,080
>> that is going to mess around with those

2966
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:50,400
percentages. Moreover, if a management

2967
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,440
leads the management and goes into a

2968
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:57,920
union job where vice versa,

2969
02:02:57,920 --> 02:02:59,679
the only way to compare athletes to

2970
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:02,560
athletes is to look at all positions

2971
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:05,040
regardless if it's management or if it's

2972
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:09,119
union. So the this total line should be

2973
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:11,599
taking

2974
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:16,310
sand.

2975
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:21,669
We'll take the science.

2976
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:23,440
» Gotcha.

2977
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:25,040
>> So you can see just for example, you see

2978
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:26,960
the parallel to the line. Uh you would

2979
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:31,119
see in 24 and 25, but it did in 26. So

2980
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:34,080
numbers percentages will be um a little

2981
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,320
different uh based on the totals

2982
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:44,870
total fills in each um budget year.

2983
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,000
I try to keep it at so much and disturb

2984
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:51,520
the mission of the mom's report and

2985
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:53,599
digest.

2986
02:03:53,599 --> 02:04:06,149
Thank you.

2987
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:08,880
» Any question regarding this report?

2988
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:10,480
The numbers look high but we just have

2989
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:13,760
to look at the fill the positions by

2990
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,960
maybe 80,000 79,000 position and things

2991
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,760
like that driving your numbers up. So if

2992
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:22,719
you exclude those those positions it

2993
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:26,000
will drive you towards the um

2994
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:33,750
the increase

2995
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,480
you want to continue. Oh, so the other

2996
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:38,239
thing that I was looking at, um, there

2997
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:41,520
were cannabis excise stats which went

2998
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:43,360
down.

2999
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:46,239
Um, as I stated yesterday, there are,

3000
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:50,639
um, we have seven in the city

3001
02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:54,800
and what I have attempted to determine

3002
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,840
is when

3003
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,320
they came and Miss Michael did provide

3004
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,400
me with

3005
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:07,440
your mom's papers. um um a list of I was

3006
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,280
trying to determine when they came on

3007
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,280
when they came to the city.

3008
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:14,400
>> And so she provided them with her first

3009
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,679
30-day list of

3010
02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:20,960
when um

3011
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:22,960
when they 30 days they're going to be on

3012
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:30,310
board. So

3013
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:34,639
» okay. So this list more like um more

3014
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:36,880
like we have um there's one dispensary

3015
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:41,109
that's been there since 23

3016
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:43,040
and some of these dispensaries that

3017
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:44,800
they're not even open yet. Um there's

3018
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:46,800
one that's been there since 24. The

3019
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:50,719
people's joint opening in the 24. So, I

3020
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:53,360
was trying to see if there's money that

3021
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:56,480
we haven't

3022
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,040
accounted for or when they came on

3023
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:00,400
board, but it looks like we only had one

3024
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,400
new one open in 25. All of these have

3025
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:06,550
been open since 23.

3026
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:08,400
» I don't think they could have opened in

3027
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,000
23 though. I think they may have said

3028
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:12,080
they wanted to, but it took a while. So,

3029
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:14,480
I I need I know.

3030
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:17,040
>> Yeah, I we can't figure out the exact

3031
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:18,400
date that they opened and that's what we

3032
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,239
need to know. I went on the office of

3033
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:22,960
cannabis management website. I asked for

3034
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:26,320
call. So I'm trying to um find out if

3035
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,239
they actually opened in the city so we

3036
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:32,960
can better determine determine rather um

3037
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,880
what how much money we could be getting

3038
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:40,639
beyond um 700,000 down from private

3039
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:42,800
people in order to get your cannabis

3040
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:44,560
license. People could like submit their

3041
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,880
paperwork and it could be a while before

3042
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,560
they ever got it. The one at the harbor

3043
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,560
for instance submitted their paperwork

3044
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,560
for quite some quite some time ago.

3045
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,560
There was all the stuff legal stuff tied

3046
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:57,199
up and they only recently opened. So we

3047
02:06:57,199 --> 02:06:58,800
need to know exactly when they open so

3048
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:00,960
we can have the benefit

3049
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:03,360
how much money we need to get two

3050
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:04,239
months.

3051
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:08,560
>> That street open.

3052
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,800
Yeah. They apply for their store

3053
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,560
paperwork and that's all we have but

3054
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:15,119
they provide. We apply here even on the

3055
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:16,719
website. It doesn't take time to actual

3056
02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:18,239
date. So we need to know the actual

3057
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:20,560
dates that he's open and then I think we

3058
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,880
can have a better determination of what

3059
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:26,400
possible revenue um the one I mentioned

3060
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:31,199
harbor um harbor side drive it they they

3061
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:32,800
sent their paperwork in 23 but they

3062
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,760
didn't open in 23

3063
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,079
those active dates I've asked the office

3064
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:39,520
of cannabis management you know any

3065
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,079
other way we can get those

3066
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:44,320
open the businesses like with the

3067
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,069
information residing

3068
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:52,719
say the codes might not be answered

3069
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:54,719
>> certificate you will still give you that

3070
02:07:54,719 --> 02:07:56,880
information will have all that

3071
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,480
information

3072
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:00,880
>> so we can I think and I'll have that for

3073
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,599
you by tomorrow so if we look at what

3074
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:04,960
people actually open I think we should

3075
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,520
take a look at that line and see

3076
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:09,040
>> as as a matter of fact the law

3077
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:10,400
department would have that information

3078
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:12,639
also they want to sign off from the

3079
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:15,119
certificate codes will definitely we

3080
02:08:15,119 --> 02:08:16,560
could find information.

3081
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,800
>> All right. You want the list of the um I

3082
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:20,960
can give you a list of the um

3083
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:21,360
>> Yeah.

3084
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:26,390
>> of the Yep. I'll do that.

3085
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:27,280
» Go ahead, please.

3086
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:29,920
>> So, just to add to that discussion, just

3087
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,480
so everybody's I mean, the year to date

3088
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,520
is only 302477

3089
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:39,840
and some cents. So,

3090
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:41,679
>> that's okay. Thank you. Thank you for

3091
02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:44,159
that.

3092
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:47,920
>> Yep. Yep. I should have taken that note.

3093
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:51,910
>> So that's 3/4

3094
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:52,880
» 302.

3095
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,199
>> There's two orders there.

3096
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:57,280
>> So it should be okay. So then we might

3097
02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:58,239
be on track.

3098
02:08:58,239 --> 02:08:58,800
>> Yes,

3099
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:02,639
>> we will be on track. Okay.

3100
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:04,960
>> Thank you. Sorry about that.

3101
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:07,679
>> So no that was I think that was it for

3102
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:10,400
my um

3103
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,440
Thank you. Um my I had a question. No,

3104
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:14,480
somebody already asked about the

3105
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:16,320
franchises

3106
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:20,390
>> and the manage licenses.

3107
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:23,360
» I do have a a question about that

3108
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:28,470
certificates revenue.

3109
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:33,030
» I'm sorry.

3110
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,159
I'm just going through the ones, but

3111
02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:36,079
it's not going to stop.

3112
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:38,719
So, I don't need to bring it back again.

3113
02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:42,480
Um I do want to kind of question the 20

3114
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:48,560
200 2 million 300,000 in Steve cameras

3115
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:51,599
with only the anticipation that someone

3116
02:09:51,599 --> 02:09:53,599
how was this question really answered

3117
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:54,560
that we talked about how do we

3118
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:59,669
communicate that number?

3119
02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:02,400
» I can provide you what I was given from

3120
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:06,079
the police department office. Um they

3121
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:08,320
based it off from my knowledge they felt

3122
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:10,880
like they received in two years and it

3123
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:15,760
was over $6 million. Um, so they from

3124
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,840
what they explained to me that they were

3125
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,480
anticipating less than $3 million a year

3126
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:23,280
and they felt comfortable 2.3. Uh, maybe

3127
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:26,480
this be another point to bring up and

3128
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:28,800
man staff

3129
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:29,920
collection.

3130
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:31,599
>> You could send us the analysis like you

3131
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:33,280
said whatever they sent you.

3132
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,920
>> Uh, I don't have an analysis on me.

3133
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:37,440
>> No, I mean you can send it to us.

3134
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:39,599
>> They Well, I think they have it. They

3135
02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:42,639
never provided me. just having a verbal

3136
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:43,920
conversation.

3137
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:45,440
>> Okay. So, could you request that for

3138
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:46,639
them and then share it out with us

3139
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:49,599
couple?

3140
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:50,239
>> No.

3141
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:53,119
>> Okay. So, I think that was that um all

3142
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:54,719
the other questions points that I had

3143
02:10:54,719 --> 02:10:57,280
were covered by other council members.

3144
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:59,840
So I um

3145
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:03,119
I see anything instrument

3146
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:05,679
>> since we're there. The bus patrol safety

3147
02:11:05,679 --> 02:11:09,360
fines. I mean we've seen it started in

3148
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:11,360
2024

3149
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,280
and in 25 we thought we hit 600 and then

3150
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:19,280
we're dropping it in 2026. So we talked

3151
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,360
about it yesterday in terms of being

3152
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:22,400
compliant,

3153
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:26,320
>> right? But um how much of that is you

3154
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:30,560
know true. We still have people you know

3155
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:34,079
passing these buses and

3156
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:37,199
>> so we are lowering the number because of

3157
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:40,480
the trend of what the actual is this

3158
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,079
year.

3159
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:46,320
>> Yes. Year to date. Um,

3160
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:51,669
maybe

3161
02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:54,159
» we're basing numbers on year to dates

3162
02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:56,320
and from what we received in the

3163
02:11:56,320 --> 02:12:01,430
previous year.

3164
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,000
» I think that explanation makes sense as

3165
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,079
you enforce there is a level of

3166
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:08,159
compliance and I think that was in

3167
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:11,280
relying on bees as continuous

3168
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,440
regenerating lines. That's naturally

3169
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,599
want people to adhere. You have risk

3170
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:19,280
enforcement versus the balance.

3171
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:23,119
>> So definitely proceed with caution.

3172
02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:26,000
>> No pun intended.

3173
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,320
>> All right. Question and then I go to

3174
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,960
>> Well, just some a consideration. So, I I

3175
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,040
know we it seems like we're based our

3176
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:34,960
numbers based on what happened in

3177
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:38,079
Auburn, but I also know that Albany

3178
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:40,880
um has been in a lot of litigation

3179
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,840
around being able to enforce tickets

3180
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,360
given by the traffic.

3181
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,440
Um, I don't know exactly that might be

3182
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,119
more something for corporation council

3183
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:53,360
to talk about, maybe research for us a

3184
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,320
little bit, but I think that

3185
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:58,079
I'm sure, you know, if we bring in

3186
02:12:58,079 --> 02:12:59,840
millions, it'll certainly offset our

3187
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:00,960
legal cost, but I think it's just

3188
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:02,960
something to consider because I know

3189
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,760
that there's um

3190
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:07,040
people have been successful in

3191
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:09,920
challenging tickets based on how the

3192
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:16,709
function of how they been getting. Mhm.

3193
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,800
» Question. It's the total.

3194
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,360
>> Yes. Thank you. I just

3195
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:24,239
>> No, just one line here for um city clerk

3196
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:25,520
birth and death certificates.

3197
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:26,719
>> What number is that please?

3198
02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:31,109
>> Uh a 25458.

3199
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:34,079
» So with the trend down um from actuals

3200
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:36,960
23 to 24, we've increased by over

3201
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:41,679
$30,000 projected for this year. um was

3202
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:43,360
wondering,

3203
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,840
you know, it's really no words in the

3204
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,400
city of Skipony. I know you put in to

3205
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:50,960
raise the death certificates, but um

3206
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,400
took $15, but that hasn't

3207
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,159
we didn't do that. So, we didn't

3208
02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:58,639
increase. Pardon me. We didn't increase

3209
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:01,040
further death fees. Oh, I thought you

3210
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:05,920
were putting in but then because of the

3211
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,040
climate with record being people being

3212
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,840
able to obtain their records um council

3213
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:14,000
would not go forward and pass

3214
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,920
legislation because it would have to be

3215
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:16,960
a home,

3216
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,119
>> right?

3217
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,679
>> Okay. So, I I just wonder where how

3218
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:25,199
you're projecting an extra $32,000

3219
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,199
in certificate fees.

3220
02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:30,079
>> We're at 81120. So yeah, look at the

3221
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:30,400
actual

3222
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:31,520
>> Oh, the projected

3223
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:34,790
>> the actual.

3224
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,360
» So based on the actual that's kind of

3225
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:39,280
forecast into the next year.

3226
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:39,679
>> Okay.

3227
02:14:39,679 --> 02:14:40,079
>> So

3228
02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:41,679
>> I think

3229
02:14:41,679 --> 02:14:44,320
>> so that report is that report looking at

3230
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:46,560
the 10,000 is September the end of

3231
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:47,199
September.

3232
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:51,679
>> October. Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. That's forgetting.

3233
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:56,870
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3234
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,119
So if we

3235
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:00,159
>> we should reconsider.

3236
02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:02,400
>> I mean maybe make it a little higher.

3237
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:03,760
But

3238
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:06,400
>> Mr. Party

3239
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,400
next year.

3240
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:10,960
>> I mean I think that would be like a very

3241
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,400
small increase if you wanted to change

3242
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,480
it from 100 to 120 or something like

3243
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:17,760
that. But and also

3244
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:19,920
>> it's not a line that we can. It might

3245
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:21,520
look like a small amount, but it helps

3246
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:24,000
offset the cost in each department to

3247
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:27,280
pay for you know sort of a potent.

3248
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:30,400
>> Okay, Mr. T, anything else? No

3249
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:31,119
suggestion?

3250
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:32,639
>> No.

3251
02:15:32,639 --> 02:15:34,400
>> Any questions?

3252
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:35,920
>> No, I got all my questions answered.

3253
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:37,520
Well, this has been very informative,

3254
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:37,920
but

3255
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:38,480
>> yeah,

3256
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:41,760
>> my initial questions got answered.

3257
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:45,990
>> Thank you.

3258
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,560
So what do we do in terms of adding

3259
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:55,760
revenue, offsetting costs, reducing the proposed um

3260
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:58,079
tax increase

3261
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:00,800
and also look at the waste uh proposed

3262
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:04,400
waste fee because uh whatever we do we

3263
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:08,000
have to it has to be driven by

3264
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,159
increased revenue

3265
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:12,880
>> and offsetting cost.

3266
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:15,840
Go ahead.

3267
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,520
We have two more meetings planned and it

3268
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:20,000
sounds like we have some just

3269
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,800
presentations to receive. I think we put

3270
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:25,360
a lot of um almost getting those

3271
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:28,079
individuals in speak to those issues or

3272
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:30,320
concerns we have. I think we end

3273
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:32,080
tomorrow's meeting of talking about

3274
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:33,920
numbers. I think we can go into our

3275
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,800
final schedule meeting on Thursday with

3276
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,479
the intent to have

3277
02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:41,830
>> Friday.

3278
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:43,920
I did start last year on the project.

3279
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:44,719
>> Mhm.

3280
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:47,120
>> I mean the kind of running it is just a

3281
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:48,960
customary

3282
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:50,639
um understanding just to see what

3283
02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:55,359
numbers look like. I think I

3284
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:59,760
go ahead.

3285
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:01,359
>> Well, I think Okay. I mean, I don't know

3286
02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:02,240
if we're done for today.

3287
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:04,880
>> No, no, we're not done.

3288
02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:06,319
>> To answer your question, I think, you

3289
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:08,080
know, we still could talk about the fund

3290
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:09,840
balance.

3291
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:10,960
>> Yeah. I

3292
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:13,200
>> well

3293
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:15,840
we should because we whatever we do will

3294
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:17,439
affect it

3295
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:21,040
>> up or down and it's a matter of concern

3296
02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:23,040
right we talk about the fundamentals but

3297
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:25,679
you know what uh yes we would like to

3298
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:29,599
have 15 20 million in there but um in

3299
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:31,519
those days

3300
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:33,679
financially

3301
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:37,920
um it was the old good old days now we

3302
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,160
don't want to site to use for pushing

3303
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:43,120
like this to help offset these increase.

3304
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:45,040
But then we have to be cautious of how

3305
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:49,599
much do we draw from the uh from that

3306
02:17:49,599 --> 02:17:50,240
fund

3307
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:54,160
>> just going back on balance. Uh so for

3308
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:58,960
this year um we're essentially using 50%

3309
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:02,240
of with approximately 12 million. Um we

3310
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:05,359
have the 5.4 4 plus the 700,000

3311
02:18:05,359 --> 02:18:09,120
incumbances from 24 to 25. Um so there's

3312
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:12,000
6.1 of unassigned fund balance. We're

3313
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:13,760
anticipating 2 million currently. So

3314
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,479
that brings that to 4.1 approximately.

3315
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:19,040
Then we have we're in negotiations with

3316
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:21,920
the fire department and 1037. So

3317
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:23,599
whatever's negotiated with the council

3318
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,120
approves that'll come out of fund

3319
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:29,190
balance.

3320
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:32,800
» Now you mentioned the restricted

3321
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:33,200
Mhm.

3322
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:35,679
>> Um are there anything in the restriction

3323
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:38,319
that we can take back like POS and

3324
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:40,559
things like that? The ones those are

3325
02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:43,840
like locked in. Yeah. It's locked in gas

3326
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:44,880
station 54

3327
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:47,679
>> but you could reserve

3328
02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:50,240
>> reserve

3329
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:50,880
sign.

3330
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:51,439
>> Mhm.

3331
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:56,790
>> Be signed is the 5.4es.

3332
02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:00,080
Um and then I need you to list them all

3333
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,240
restricted. Um and then we have to have

3334
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:03,359
those in place.

3335
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:06,080
>> Yes.

3336
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,559
>> So we provide that

3337
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:09,439
>> the POS and everything.

3338
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:11,120
>> Yeah, we do. Yeah. I just want a

3339
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,760
clarification. So you know we say

3340
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:18,000
discuss the fun.

3341
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:20,639
So So there So what so what is the fund

3342
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:24,000
balance that we can pull from? What's that number? It seems like you

3343
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:24,880
just started to cut.

3344
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:27,040
>> Yeah. So,

3345
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:30,080
as of now, with input of the proposed

3346
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:33,760
budget 2 million, we only have 4.1 to

3347
02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:37,120
play with. And again, if depending what

3348
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:41,120
the fire is negotiated at, we're we're

3349
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:43,920
in mediation currently.

3350
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,559
And at 10:37 their contracts at the end

3351
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,680
of 25, end of 2025, whatever they're

3352
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:51,760
negotiated at, it's directly going to

3353
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:55,680
affect our fund numbers.

3354
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:57,359
>> We can't even give projection based on

3355
02:19:57,359 --> 02:20:00,880
prior things.

3356
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:03,600
>> I guess we could

3357
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:07,120
>> go ahead finish off. But for example, um

3358
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:10,240
just say uh for the fire department um

3359
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:13,439
just say they got a 3% increase probably

3360
02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:19,510
600,000 maybe more.

3361
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:24,399
» Well, the fire department is smaller than the police. I'm talking

3362
02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:25,920
about the fire department. Fire

3363
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:27,200
department.

3364
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:30,960
>> So you're comparing the police number.

3365
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:36,550
Okay. What about

3366
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:38,240
you?

3367
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:41,120
CS

3368
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:48,309
>> not

3369
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:50,960
give or take I don't maybe or million

3370
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:52,800
but it really depends on the percentages

3371
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,040
and

3372
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:56,800
>> no at the end of the day it's presented

3373
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:59,760
from a council council can say no these

3374
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:07,270
increases

3375
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,520
Um the other thing that I wanted to

3376
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,439
bring up was about the capital budget

3377
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:15,200
and I know when we talked about it um

3378
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,880
it was like well it's not something

3379
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,640
right now we have to bond later but I

3380
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:20,399
think you mentioned at the table that as

3381
02:21:20,399 --> 02:21:21,760
we're making these decisions we

3382
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,359
shouldn't just be making decision that

3383
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:25,680
impact us right now and this year

3384
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,520
because we're in this tight situation.

3385
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:28,640
We don't know what next year is going to

3386
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:30,000
bring or the year after that's going to

3387
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:33,520
bring. So how much of the things that we

3388
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:35,359
um are looking at the capital budget do

3389
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:38,160
we really really have to do? Um I'm

3390
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:43,520
looking at um the purchase of various

3391
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:46,160
equipment trucks etc and see what did we

3392
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:49,920
purchase last year and how many gas for

3393
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,800
this year and can we buy one month less

3394
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:54,319
and just kind of stretch this down the

3395
02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:56,479
road. So I think we should also be

3396
02:21:56,479 --> 02:22:03,030
looking at our capital projects and

3397
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:07,040
» Mr. Williams brought it up on several

3398
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,120
recommendations and the mayor said that

3399
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:10,800
it doesn't affect his budget which is

3400
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:11,520
correct

3401
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:13,520
>> but it affect and I we mentioned this

3402
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,359
yesterday it affect what's going to

3403
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:18,080
happen in 2027 who's paying for it the

3404
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:20,640
taxpayer and we have to you know make

3405
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:22,720
recommendation and put that aside pay

3406
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:23,520
for this

3407
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:26,240
>> the whole thing is that and echo that

3408
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:27,760
>> do we really need to make all these

3409
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:30,880
purchase this year I mean 2026

3410
02:22:30,880 --> 02:22:33,120
>> purchases can yes can we push these off

3411
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:37,359
into 2027 7 2028 can they use these uh

3412
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:42,000
these these vehicle these mach

3413
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,960
are question that you know we as a body

3414
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:48,640
we have to come up with and say because

3415
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:51,680
this this is millions of dollars here

3416
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:53,200
that's going to be added on the back of

3417
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:58,080
taxpayers to pay in 2027 and beyond

3418
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:00,800
this point in time adding more is is

3419
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,680
increasing the the burden that taxpayers

3420
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:05,439
So let's be cautious of what we're

3421
02:23:05,439 --> 02:23:06,880
doing. I mean yes we did had a

3422
02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:09,920
conversation yesterday about it but um

3423
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:12,160
whatever we take away here I have no

3424
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:14,160
impact and what we're trying to do with

3425
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:15,120
the tax

3426
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:15,600
>> right

3427
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:19,040
>> this is separate from overall budget.

3428
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:19,439
>> Go ahead.

3429
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:22,160
>> Was Mr. Did you have your hand up?

3430
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:25,040
>> No. Oh okay. Um, yeah. I just also want

3431
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:26,960
to say I I hear what you're saying, but

3432
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:29,600
I also think we need to like think about

3433
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,399
age of vehicles because we also, you

3434
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:34,000
know, would have to do it next year. I

3435
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:35,520
mean, on some of these things if they

3436
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:37,359
break down, if they and it also affects

3437
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:39,760
our services. So, if we're looking at

3438
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:41,520
certain pieces of equipment, how does

3439
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,080
how do they affect our our paving? How

3440
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:45,920
do they affect our snow plowing? How do

3441
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:48,399
they affect um, you know, services that

3442
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,479
we try to provide to our residents um,

3443
02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:52,240
in terms of infrastructure needs? So I

3444
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,560
hear what you're saying it doesn't this

3445
02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:56,880
year's general I mean this year's um

3446
02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:58,720
>> yeah it has no impact on on

3447
02:23:58,720 --> 02:23:59,600
>> but it will

3448
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,600
>> on the cost recovery is going to be this

3449
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:03,680
is more of a long-term recovery and tax

3450
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:05,920
pay if we were to say okay let's let's

3451
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:08,479
go buy all the equipment we're looking

3452
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:10,080
at how are we going to pay for it in

3453
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,319
2027

3454
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:14,479
very same role say we have to increase

3455
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:17,200
taxes so that we can pay for all these

3456
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:18,800
now and this is what we talk about is

3457
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,640
that every department the next year or

3458
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:23,359
two has to go along with getting tight

3459
02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:25,280
started tightening the belt and started

3460
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,439
to look at how can we do more with less.

3461
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:29,840
I know that's that's a hard people don't

3462
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:31,680
like to hear that term. How can we do

3463
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:33,200
more with less? I do.

3464
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:34,880
>> I think the time has come for us to do

3465
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,960
that at this point in time is, you know,

3466
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:39,280
we don't have to wait

3467
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,760
>> because if we look at 4.1 million and if

3468
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:44,800
you're looking at $600,000, $250,000

3469
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:47,520
of anticipated cost to where and yes,

3470
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:48,800
we're going to have we're looking at

3471
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,960
maybe potentially using some of that

3472
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:54,240
money towards offset increase to to keep

3473
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:58,560
the tax below what is what is proposed.

3474
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:02,160
that everything is on the table

3475
02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:04,479
>> and and I'll just start I'll just repeat

3476
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:06,960
how we can look at what we put in the

3477
02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:08,399
budget last year for this. I'm not just

3478
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:09,840
recommending they just do away with it,

3479
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:11,840
but let's look at what we I have last

3480
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:13,920
year's budget for. I wrote it all down

3481
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:14,160
too.

3482
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,640
>> Um what we asked for last year and can

3483
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:19,280
we you know how much how much longer can

3484
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:21,760
we go? Can we go another year or two?

3485
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:23,600
Um, but I think we have to take a look

3486
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:27,359
at those long-term impacts that on with

3487
02:25:27,359 --> 02:25:30,160
it to our taxes to our budget.

3488
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:32,800
I know I don't think that this year, but

3489
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:34,080
eventually if you put it off, it'll

3490
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:36,319
catch up.

3491
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:37,760
>> Yeah. Eventually, it's going to fall in

3492
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:39,280
place because we're looking at I mean,

3493
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:40,720
this is not going to be forever. Things

3494
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:43,200
going to get better and the tax base is

3495
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:45,280
expanding. people paying taxes and think

3496
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:47,520
money will be available to spend in in

3497
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:50,080
the future years and and then you know

3498
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:52,960
we expand and buy more in terms

3499
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:55,600
even even equipment apart from the

3500
02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:57,600
vehicle and the things that we need to

3501
02:25:57,600 --> 02:25:59,120
take care of the parts and things like

3502
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:01,280
that but also look at um software

3503
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:03,120
hardware

3504
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:05,040
stuff do we really need to change all

3505
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:07,359
those things this next year or can we

3506
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:10,640
just you know do parking here and and

3507
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:12,560
those things are those those are those

3508
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:14,160
are hard questions

3509
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:16,000
And we need them to kind of make a

3510
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:19,520
determination of pushing off for a year

3511
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,800
and release the 2027

3512
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:24,399
back

3513
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:28,800
and let us recoup more revenue.

3514
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:33,920
>> Um in terms of the um IT stuff, I don't recommend this but the way that

3515
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:35,920
things change so much and people have

3516
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:38,160
opportunities to get into people's

3517
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:40,080
personal information, all that. I would

3518
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:42,399
not recommend that we like kind of old

3519
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:44,880
school fraud at this point in time. So,

3520
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:47,040
let me just make that clear in terms of

3521
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:48,640
when I look at the capital. I'm not I'm

3522
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:51,359
not suggesting that at all.

3523
02:26:51,359 --> 02:26:52,160
>> I agree.

3524
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:53,439
>> There have been too many breaches, you

3525
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:55,200
know, I get letters all the time like

3526
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:58,000
this particular company that I'm with a

3527
02:26:58,000 --> 02:26:59,600
breach and maybe your information

3528
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:03,359
>> where where do we have to learn about

3529
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:03,920
pain?

3530
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:05,439
>> Yeah. And that's

3531
02:27:05,439 --> 02:27:07,920
>> no no we have we have no we have no

3532
02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:10,080
software upgrade. The machine is all

3533
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:12,479
being upgraded this year because we

3534
02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:16,319
allocated $60,000 last to this year

3535
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:17,120
budget

3536
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:18,960
>> and they're they're replacing all the

3537
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:20,640
equipments and softwares and things like

3538
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:23,040
that. So bring them to speed with in

3539
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:24,880
terms of that and and prepare themselves

3540
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:26,720
for that. I think you mentioned software

3541
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:27,359
that's why I said

3542
02:27:27,359 --> 02:27:30,640
>> well I you know across you know but I

3543
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:32,720
think an it here

3544
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:34,720
>> so utilities and it is different I think

3545
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:38,560
that this the smart node upgrade is it

3546
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:41,920
>> it is but I think it was banan that

3547
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:44,000
>> it's part of his IT

3548
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:46,240
>> it's just not in his right I mean I

3549
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:48,399
don't think it's in I think that

3550
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:51,040
>> correct me but didn't we move stuff that

3551
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:52,960
might have been in his budget before

3552
02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:55,120
into the department or was it the other

3553
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:56,560
way. We took things that were in

3554
02:27:56,560 --> 02:27:58,000
department budgets and put it in his

3555
02:27:58,000 --> 02:27:59,520
budget.

3556
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:01,760
>> Not stirring the software package that

3557
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:04,960
we like civic plus that separated into

3558
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:06,319
different departments. So now we

3559
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:08,240
consolidated into a better track.

3560
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:08,880
>> Gotcha.

3561
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:10,640
>> Track.

3562
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:15,670
>> So I'm recommending that um

3563
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:17,120
that is not really a software. That is

3564
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:19,439
like equipment outside.

3565
02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:22,560
>> I'm not talking about civic bus. Silence

3566
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:25,439
from us and all that to make sure we

3567
02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:27,520
have that's what I had said.

3568
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:28,560
>> Okay, go ahead.

3569
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:31,359
>> I have a note from from

3570
02:28:31,359 --> 02:28:33,280
uh smart nodes must have to promote

3571
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:36,720
safety. That's what he said.

3572
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,840
>> What what line is um it can do you

3573
02:28:39,840 --> 02:28:40,960
remember 91?

3574
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:42,640
>> Oh, thank you.

3575
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:44,479
>> Not the capital. Not the capital. Not

3576
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:45,920
the capital, but Oh,

3577
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:47,439
>> it's not the capital. Oh, you talked

3578
02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:48,160
about the

3579
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:48,800
>> That's what I was just

3580
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:52,399
>> so I thought, but I thought I wanted to

3581
02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:55,120
actually look at his

3582
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:56,000
>> within his budget

3583
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:57,280
>> page 28.

3584
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:02,710
>> Thank you.

3585
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:04,560
» So, yeah, when we talked about that and

3586
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:08,720
I have notes here that we um about

3587
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:12,000
mobile device management, image filters.

3588
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:13,600
>> I'm not talking about any of that,

3589
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:16,560
>> right?

3590
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:18,000
Oh,

3591
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:19,600
>> I thought you meant that that's what you

3592
02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:23,359
don't want to change that line. Um,

3593
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:25,040
>> I was only talking about things in the

3594
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:26,640
capital budget. No, I

3595
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:28,640
>> I do not.

3596
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:30,640
>> Mr. Larry kind of mentioned it and then

3597
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:32,240
I think it took us down the road that he

3598
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:33,840
wasn't even talking about, but he said

3599
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,040
software. I'm like, no,

3600
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:36,560
>> no, no, no. Darling, there's no

3601
02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:37,120
software.

3602
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:38,240
>> I think we're agreeing

3603
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:40,960
>> in our um we allocated money last year

3604
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:43,760
and they are spending that money and Mr.

3605
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,840
Uh number one I mentioned that yes he's

3606
02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:48,319
going to he's going to utilize all the

3607
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:50,720
funding and upgrade all the machine and

3608
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:53,280
as the machine upgrade it comes with new

3609
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:54,640
software

3610
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:57,840
>> to kind of protect us from the cyber

3611
02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:01,040
security and those malicious attack.

3612
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:09,429
>> Mhm.

3613
02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:11,439
» So we need to dive deeper. we need to

3614
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:17,359
dive in terms of revenue where do we where do we pull this now

3615
02:30:17,359 --> 02:30:19,040
the other thing is do we go into

3616
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:21,040
departments and and and look at the

3617
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:23,040
departments each department and kind of

3618
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:26,080
come up with some recommendation

3619
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:28,399
I think that's that's our next step in

3620
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:30,000
terms of looking at the department and

3621
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:34,000
see um in terms of feature service do we

3622
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,240
really need all those feature service

3623
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:37,920
can we come back you know I'm making

3624
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:40,240
suggestion I'm not

3625
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:41,840
I'm was asking, are you doing that

3626
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:43,520
tonight or do you want to do that for

3627
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:46,080
like Thursday night? No, what's today?

3628
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:48,479
Tuesday. So, we have tomorrow morning.

3629
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:50,399
>> I I would like each of each of us to

3630
02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:52,560
come up with something. We're not not

3631
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:54,160
because we say it we're going to do it,

3632
02:30:54,160 --> 02:30:56,160
but it's some type of recommendation,

3633
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:58,319
something to talk about and say, let's

3634
02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:02,160
look to the department if um and say,

3635
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:03,680
okay, we need a question. We need to

3636
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:05,359
bring it back to the department head. I

3637
02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:07,040
guess we can do that to kind of like

3638
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:10,240
clarify any information in terms of

3639
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:11,920
>> do you really need it?

3640
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:13,920
>> What what can we what can we do better

3641
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:16,960
in terms of help to reduce your

3642
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:20,160
expenditure in each department?

3643
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:22,399
>> So we we'd want to keep going tonight, I

3644
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:23,680
think, because we'd want to have them

3645
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:25,359
back tomorrow night so that we can make

3646
02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:30,630
a final budget decision on Friday.

3647
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:32,080
» Let me hear Mr. Park and then we'll be

3648
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:35,280
able to come back. So I I guess I was

3649
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:37,920
thinking that so based on like you know

3650
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,560
the recommendations is it you know that

3651
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:42,399
now I think I have some more information

3652
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:43,760
that I can kind of make some

3653
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:46,240
recommendations can I send them to you

3654
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:49,359
to say this is what I'm recommending

3655
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:51,520
this is what I'm I'm recommending and

3656
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:54,560
you can produce like a bud a budget

3657
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:56,800
impact summary based on what I'm

3658
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,120
presenting to you and then and then we

3659
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,880
can so by the time we get to the table

3660
02:32:00,880 --> 02:32:03,680
we have we have some real numbers in

3661
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:04,640
front of us.

3662
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:06,880
>> Yes, you can. We could call it like a

3663
02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:08,479
mock bud to say okay.

3664
02:32:08,479 --> 02:32:09,920
>> Yeah, just just like this. This is what

3665
02:32:09,920 --> 02:32:11,120
I'm thinking across different

3666
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:12,880
departments that are about can you just

3667
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:14,720
run a scenario budget impacts of

3668
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:16,240
>> if I were to do this this what's going

3669
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:18,240
to this is the impact it's going to if

3670
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:19,359
you were to perceive it as

3671
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:21,680
>> just number by now the conservative

3672
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:28,880
>> I I think that what we've done before I I mean I hate to say this but we've

3673
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:30,960
done it like right now we would we would

3674
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:32,880
do that and then these guys would go

3675
02:32:32,880 --> 02:32:36,640
upstairs or go down the hall uh and they

3676
02:32:36,640 --> 02:32:38,720
would come back to us they would come

3677
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:41,280
back to us. We would sit no but we would

3678
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:42,880
sit here and wait and then they would

3679
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:44,479
come back to us with Exactly what you're

3680
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:47,200
saying. It would be it would be like

3681
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:48,880
council budget. I mean it would be like

3682
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:51,359
revised budget based on the discussion

3683
02:32:51,359 --> 02:32:53,520
that but I guess what I'm saying is for

3684
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:56,479
timing purposes I would think. I hate to

3685
02:32:56,479 --> 02:32:58,640
say this but I think we have to do that

3686
02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:01,600
tonight if we want to

3687
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:03,760
be able to make a final budget

3688
02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:06,160
recommendation on Friday

3689
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:09,439
>> because we're not meeting Thursday.

3690
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:11,120
Unless we meet Saturday.

3691
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:12,960
>> I don't anticipate in front of any

3692
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:14,720
department heads between now and our

3693
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:16,640
final budget. I think it's I think that

3694
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:18,160
would be unrealistic without even

3695
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:19,840
hearing our schedules. I like the

3696
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:20,880
conversations we've had about the

3697
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:22,640
capital budget, the in-depth

3698
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:25,359
conversations we had about the revenue.

3699
02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:27,040
>> I think the notes that we all took

3700
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:29,520
during presentations, I think we have to

3701
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:31,439
miss to Miss Patrick's point. I think

3702
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:33,359
I've been kind of afraid we haven't

3703
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:35,520
identified real numbers yet. I think in

3704
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:38,160
years past we've at least tried to reach

3705
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,800
a consensus in finance so that if there

3706
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,000
or Mr. Group is not building 15 M

3707
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:46,880
schedules um even though I imagine Mr.

3708
02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:49,359
Eric would cheerfully want to go back

3709
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:51,200
and for doing that I appreciate the

3710
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:54,000
swift response on that other request. Um

3711
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:55,359
I think we need to start having those

3712
02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:57,600
tough discussions of where do we agree

3713
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:00,319
on what's been presented and then that's

3714
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:01,920
my previous point going into tomorrow

3715
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,000
with some recommendations.

3716
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:05,600
We haven't had any real discussions

3717
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,600
about numbers or where do people stand

3718
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,200
with which you can talk a lot about

3719
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:12,479
things to get started going down on what

3720
02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,960
is realistically something the council

3721
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:18,720
is willing to leave for

3722
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:20,560
I'm at that place where I'm going to

3723
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:23,200
send you what I what I'm thinking and

3724
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:26,080
then you can help me understand the

3725
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:27,280
impact what that would have on the

3726
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:30,000
budget and then then I get back to the

3727
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:35,030
table I can say a

3728
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:36,960
So just on an idea, you're going to be

3729
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:40,160
sending a list of all account codes

3730
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:42,720
with imposed and the adjustment.

3731
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:44,800
>> Certainly

3732
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:49,760
>> I I'm not also going to do that, but I I did make some some direct points in

3733
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:51,520
terms of the revenue

3734
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:53,520
>> in terms of the uncollect.

3735
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:55,120
>> I was think I made it, you know, bring

3736
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:59,600
that up to about $2 million from 2.8.

3737
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:02,560
the cannabis tax I I I still up I think

3738
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:06,960
that needs to go up. I I I have notes

3739
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:09,040
about $300,000,

3740
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:12,240
you know, give or take. The fines for

3741
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:14,080
the parking, I have a question mark on

3742
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:16,479
that. I wanted to kind of talk to the PD

3743
02:35:16,479 --> 02:35:19,680
more about that because with what we

3744
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,160
discussed last year into this year know

3745
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:24,800
when we increase the fee and the

3746
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:27,439
proposal before I can attach a number in

3747
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:32,960
that but the the link um parking sorry

3748
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:35,359
the fines for parking we have budgeted

3749
02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:38,240
right now like 10,000

3750
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:39,520
with the approach that they're taking

3751
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,200
let me take that back the approach that

3752
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:43,120
they're taking I think it's it's it's

3753
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:45,040
going to be it's a good create a good

3754
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:47,760
pathway what they're doing. But how can

3755
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:49,920
we look at the numbers based on the

3756
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:52,560
email that we have at those six to 9,000

3757
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,240
>> and if we can do the math on that I

3758
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:55,760
think it's going to be far higher than

3759
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:57,840
910,000

3760
02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:00,720
and anything else that factor into that.

3761
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:03,040
The delinquent parking I think we need

3762
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:05,359
to revisit that in terms of the outside

3763
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,760
collection agency and we need to have a

3764
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:10,160
more aggressive approach. I think that

3765
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:12,640
should go up. I'm I'm suggesting that we

3766
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:15,359
pop that by $230,000.

3767
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:18,080
the home sale I am recommended that we

3768
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:20,960
keep that level the last this year 4.5

3769
02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:23,760
increase of $1.5 million and the

3770
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:27,600
mortgage tax I am based in my trend um

3771
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:29,680
the way how I see the housing market is

3772
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:33,200
connected that we should bring that

3773
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:38,080
upward 1.5 million

3774
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:39,439
>> that is my recommendation doesn't mean

3775
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:41,840
that you're going to take it out

3776
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:45,120
>> well I want I want I want

3777
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:46,319
my colleagues that kind of like said,

3778
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:48,880
"John, no. Uh, we shouldn't do market

3779
02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:51,680
tax 1.5. We should maybe 1.2."

3780
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:53,200
>> But are we waiting to do that

3781
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:55,920
conversation to tomorrow night or

3782
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:58,160
>> we could we can we can look at line by

3783
02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:59,120
line based on

3784
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,600
>> we can revisit the revenue because based

3785
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:04,080
on what we do with the revenue and if

3786
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:05,920
that's feasible

3787
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:07,600
that that will give us a driving force

3788
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:13,830
in the numbers that we had play with.

3789
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:15,359
Okay.

3790
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:17,920
>> So, I'd say based on that, I found

3791
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:20,720
myself more in line with your uh uh

3792
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,479
topics of discussion and with how you

3793
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:24,319
were discussing items with revenue. Just

3794
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:25,840
because we're seeing projections doesn't

3795
02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:27,520
mean that's how we're going to vote. I

3796
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,040
think having that representation on

3797
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:31,840
paper helps us understand it better. And

3798
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:32,640
we

3799
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:34,880
>> and have the city staff have that as a

3800
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:36,720
reference into their discussions or

3801
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:38,800
building up anformational packet. I

3802
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:41,840
think that helps them guide how to

3803
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:44,399
better us based on what they're seeing.

3804
02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:46,720
So I don't know if you would write that

3805
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:47,680
down

3806
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:49,680
>> and give back which is what you were

3807
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:49,920
saying.

3808
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:50,720
>> That's what I was saying.

3809
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:53,439
>> I definitely given this to to the

3810
02:37:53,439 --> 02:37:56,640
commissioner this evening or yes. So

3811
02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:58,160
this number need that's why we need to

3812
02:37:58,160 --> 02:37:59,760
flush it out and kind of like let them

3813
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:02,640
start to look at this and say let's come

3814
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,800
back to it and say this is how it's

3815
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:07,120
working. Oh the other thing I don't I

3816
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,439
don't have a number is parking fine but

3817
02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:12,800
that's budgeting 910 and I think that's

3818
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:15,680
that can go up a little bit more

3819
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:22,950
in a million.

3820
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:24,720
So let's have we need to have a I'm not

3821
02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:26,080
going to put a number to that until I

3822
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:28,960
have a conversation with the uh the PE

3823
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:30,720
and based on the email that we have and

3824
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:32,160
the numbers swooping around.

3825
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,160
>> Yeah. Can you tell me that you were when

3826
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:35,600
we were before the meeting started and

3827
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:38,000
we were just looking at the memo um can

3828
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:40,240
you had kind of multiplied it out?

3829
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:44,399
>> Yeah. If you look at the 6 to 9,000 by 7

3830
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:48,319
by you know the days and weeks a month.

3831
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:50,560
Maybe we should pick a number like 7,000

3832
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:51,840
which is between

3833
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:53,680
>> I I picked the lowest you can Oh, six.

3834
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:55,359
Okay. I I I didn't go to the highest

3835
02:38:55,359 --> 02:38:56,160
number.

3836
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:57,840
>> And then you want to even maybe be safe

3837
02:38:57,840 --> 02:38:59,359
and trend that down just a little bit.

3838
02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:01,520
>> That's exactly doesn't mean that I'm

3839
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:05,359
going to say no it's 2.1 million.

3840
02:39:05,359 --> 02:39:12,319
>> So 5 * 4 * 52 was what you did. Okay.

3841
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:14,160
So just but I wanted to talk to them for

3842
02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:15,520
some of that

3843
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:17,040
>> because I can we can sit here and

3844
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:22,800
multiply six by by seven by by 4 by 12

3845
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:24,560
>> and they may not do it every single day.

3846
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:26,800
>> That's exactly so I would not doing it

3847
02:39:26,800 --> 02:39:28,720
seven days a week. If it's treated that

3848
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:31,920
it's worth it 5 days a week

3849
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:33,680
at that number that will drive it

3850
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:37,600
because if I looked at my number here

3851
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:42,640
>> it's a treatment not even touching

3852
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:44,240
>> well let's look at it I mean look it's

3853
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:45,840
an estimate we have over the years

3854
02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:49,439
sometimes we have high estimate we fall

3855
02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:51,280
short but it's not at the end of the

3856
02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:54,479
world it's like okay it's a projected

3857
02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:57,760
I'm just being conservative too. Looking

3858
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:00,880
at the trend here,

3859
02:40:00,880 --> 02:40:02,960
the the highest one I have here is the

3860
02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:04,720
home sales. what I'm looking at what we

3861
02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:07,200
have this year into next year and based

3862
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:09,280
on the conversation last night in terms

3863
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:11,840
of closure

3864
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:14,000
the aggressiveness from the office the

3865
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:16,800
corporation council office foreclosure I

3866
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:20,479
think we can achieve that

3867
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:22,160
because and the reason I'm saying that

3868
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:24,640
because in the past it was like we are

3869
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,359
lagging behind the foreclosure I have

3870
02:40:27,359 --> 02:40:29,280
complained many times why are we noting

3871
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:31,680
why are we not selling these houses and

3872
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:34,080
I was like, well, we don't have the

3873
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:37,359
staff. We don't have the capacity.

3874
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:41,120
But now that that is not the case,

3875
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:42,720
they're fully staffed and they're able

3876
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:44,080
to they have the resource to move

3877
02:40:44,080 --> 02:40:45,439
forward with this for closure on a

3878
02:40:45,439 --> 02:40:48,000
timely basis.

3879
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:49,600
And that's how I'm driving my my

3880
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:53,349
numbers.

3881
02:40:53,359 --> 02:40:55,120
So I would just suggest as a matter of

3882
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:57,439
process that based on some of the

3883
02:40:57,439 --> 02:40:59,120
information that we got here tonight, I

3884
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:01,600
feel like, you know, I I do want to sit

3885
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:03,359
with a little bit of this, but I I say

3886
02:41:03,359 --> 02:41:08,319
that we send uh finance our plus and

3887
02:41:08,319 --> 02:41:11,280
minuses via email, give them an

3888
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:13,680
opportunity to obviously code them out

3889
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:16,880
for you, you know, and then then when we

3890
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:18,479
reconvene

3891
02:41:18,479 --> 02:41:21,439
or even before then possibly, we have

3892
02:41:21,439 --> 02:41:24,160
those numbers as far as budget impact

3893
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:25,840
goes and therefore I think that's a

3894
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,760
great place to start a conversation when

3895
02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:30,160
we can kind of go through just I'm just

3896
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,000
my suggestion as a matter of process I

3897
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:33,520
think Mr. lawyers has already done some

3898
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:35,760
of that. Um, we could just kind of

3899
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:37,920
refine it based on what what information

3900
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:40,880
that we have figured in that that's the

3901
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:43,359
best way to move forward that I think

3902
02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:46,560
that you got a lot of suggestion.

3903
02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:48,399
Uh just the one point I want to touch on

3904
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:51,600
in terms of the healthare costs

3905
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:55,280
that you

3906
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:59,439
are those are those numbers like conform

3907
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:01,920
numbers that there's no flexibility up

3908
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:04,479
or down.

3909
02:42:04,479 --> 02:42:09,439
>> So uh that's that's probably worst case

3910
02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:13,280
scenario that you're looking at. Uh

3911
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:16,160
our internal numbers we're looking at

3912
02:42:16,160 --> 02:42:18,960
approximately for the general fund for

3913
02:42:18,960 --> 02:42:25,120
health um over 17 million. Um so

3914
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,920
>> but that's worst case

3915
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:29,680
>> what 17 million

3916
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:33,680
>> for this year for around 17 million.

3917
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:35,840
That's pretty much what we're estimating

3918
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:41,600
that 19 million was proposals for 2026,

3919
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:44,640
but we managers to reduce that by doing

3920
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:46,560
different formula

3921
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:48,720
to reduce that drastically about $2

3922
02:42:48,720 --> 02:43:00,870
million budget of $1,700 in the 2017.

3923
02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:03,920
So follow

3924
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:06,479
based on the recommendation from the

3925
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:10,160
consultant is it a consultant using well

3926
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:11,680
consultant maybe consultant for the

3927
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:14,319
healthcare and health insurance uh the

3928
02:43:14,319 --> 02:43:20,550
discussions with um proactiating

3929
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:24,630
um we got that number down

3930
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:26,960
we don't know I constantly strive cost

3931
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:30,720
pharmacy spend medical everything is

3932
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,590
some of it if they don't control

3933
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:40,710
um the savings proactive

3934
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:42,479
driving that savings

3935
02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:44,479
>> and if you're not if you're not doing um

3936
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:47,359
if you're not utilizing proact and you

3937
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:48,560
charge an additional

3938
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,080
>> are you I think you're talking about

3939
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:52,160
maintenance prescriptions go to the

3940
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:55,269
pharmacy

3941
02:43:55,279 --> 02:43:57,200
» um you have to do the mail order you're

3942
02:43:57,200 --> 02:44:00,640
doing maintenance um same availability

3943
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:04,000
of counterex. So there are individuals

3944
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,800
that are locked in stuff

3945
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:08,800
more retirees maybe they like the face

3946
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:11,680
to face with the pharmacy

3947
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:15,680
uh we're trying to get them to go intox

3948
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:18,560
want to save them money and it saves us money.

3949
02:44:18,560 --> 02:44:21,760
>> Yeah, it's great programs.

3950
02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:24,880
uh uh historically uh we can feel and I

3951
02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:27,760
can speak on this healthcare online we

3952
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:30,080
have seen I'm not saying we're doing

3953
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:33,040
this for how many we have seen couple

3954
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:35,120
years that when we hear you know many

3955
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:39,279
years that that line

3956
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:42,000
sometime

3957
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,479
but I'm not you that's before your time

3958
02:44:44,479 --> 02:44:46,080
so that's what I'm saying what I'm

3959
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:49,439
saying put that directly to you but we

3960
02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:51,680
have seen that remember a couple years

3961
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:53,520
where we we reduce that line and we

3962
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:55,840
still fall short of that, you know,

3963
02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:58,640
exceeding the the estimate uh a few

3964
02:44:58,640 --> 02:44:59,760
years.

3965
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:03,359
>> Well, when I just want to make sure

3966
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:06,160
in terms of the the the way that it's

3967
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:10,000
been calculated for 2026, I mean, do we

3968
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:12,399
already know? I mean, like, will MVP be

3969
02:45:12,399 --> 02:45:14,000
raising the rates? I mean, do we know

3970
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:16,080
all those answers? Is there a risk that

3971
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:18,880
it'll be higher than Well, I mean, you

3972
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:21,760
said that 19 was actually what you

3973
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:22,640
>> so

3974
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:23,840
>> actually thought it would be, but you

3975
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:26,080
put in for 17

3976
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:29,760
>> for 25 budgeted um

3977
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:33,670
national.

3978
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:35,040
» Well, we're definitely going to oversee

3979
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:37,760
that estimates and I think you saw the

3980
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:39,520
consultants numbers and where they're

3981
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:42,479
from. Um

3982
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:45,200
but yes we have uh we've working hard to

3983
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:48,560
reduce the um percentage increases for

3984
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:53,200
each renewal. Um you know Delta Dental

3985
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:56,800
MP um Medicare Advantage that's been

3986
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:59,200
rough.

3987
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:01,680
>> So we've actually reduced that greatly.

3988
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:02,640
Um

3989
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:04,960
>> they're originally coding

3990
02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:06,560
numbers just because the environment

3991
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:08,880
we're in, but we got them down to uh

3992
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:12,960
they originally 60% um got down to 15.

3993
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:13,439
>> Wow.

3994
02:46:13,439 --> 02:46:17,120
>> Um and we actually were sort of sold

3995
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:19,520
into

3996
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:22,960
the other plans and everything was very,

3997
02:46:22,960 --> 02:46:25,279
you know, very high. So 15 was pretty

3998
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:27,200
solid. It's a local company we're using.

3999
02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:29,520
So figured stick with them at this

4000
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:35,830
point. Mhm.

4001
02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:37,680
I mean you also don't know you know

4002
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:40,640
somebody could have a cat catastrophic

4003
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:42,479
I mean there could be an illness or I

4004
02:46:42,479 --> 02:46:44,960
mean all sorts of things also

4005
02:46:44,960 --> 02:46:45,359
>> transition

4006
02:46:45,359 --> 02:46:47,200
>> hopefully you know your retirees but

4007
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:50,080
>> transition between you know another

4008
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:53,359
company so that process

4009
02:46:53,359 --> 02:46:57,680
>> and then we have to make sure that

4010
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:59,439
>> everything that we're providing the

4011
02:46:59,439 --> 02:47:02,800
employees is the same exact

4012
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:03,600
>> coverage.

4013
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,439
>> Mhm.

4014
02:47:05,439 --> 02:47:14,319
>> Then whether they be higher premiums. Um but um for now they look

4015
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:15,920
pretty comfortable. You said the

4016
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:18,080
formulary adjusted.

4017
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:20,080
>> Um

4018
02:47:20,080 --> 02:47:22,319
just uh it's a tough market.

4019
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:26,309
>> Yeah.

4020
02:47:26,319 --> 02:47:29,840
» Mr. you have missing suggested removals.

4021
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:34,399
Can you put that in in a summary with a

4022
02:47:34,399 --> 02:47:37,200
total cost and if you can send that off

4023
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:40,080
to because that can also factor into

4024
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:42,000
because as we increase the revenue we

4025
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,120
reduce so it's kind of work

4026
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:47,680
and you touched on some good

4027
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:49,920
recommendation maybe we need to explore

4028
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:52,560
it more and kind of getting consensus on

4029
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:55,200
this thing and then you also had some u

4030
02:47:55,200 --> 02:47:58,240
some other stuff in your proposal later

4031
02:47:58,240 --> 02:48:00,319
so I'm going to submit

4032
02:48:00,319 --> 02:48:02,479
revenue but I'm going to go more into

4033
02:48:02,479 --> 02:48:04,319
department so I encourage everybody make

4034
02:48:04,319 --> 02:48:06,479
suggestions it's not harming anything

4035
02:48:06,479 --> 02:48:09,520
just making life easy for us and we

4036
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:11,120
explored so if we need to ask more

4037
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:12,640
question hard question we can reach out

4038
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:15,040
to the mayor reach out to commissioner

4039
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:16,880
reach out to the department head for

4040
02:48:16,880 --> 02:48:20,319
them to kind of clarify any you know to

4041
02:48:20,319 --> 02:48:22,240
help us with the decision that we plan

4042
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:26,070
to make

4043
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:28,080
» should we do that perhaps through

4044
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:29,760
>> I encourage everybody

4045
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:31,600
decision of tomorrow.

4046
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:32,080
>> Mhm.

4047
02:48:32,080 --> 02:48:34,479
>> So when we we're now meeting we're

4048
02:48:34,479 --> 02:48:36,080
meeting tomorrow.

4049
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:39,200
>> Tomorrow. So tomorrow morning you please

4050
02:48:39,200 --> 02:48:41,359
um submit it

4051
02:48:41,359 --> 02:48:43,040
>> recommendation.

4052
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:45,520
>> Submit it tonight. Submit it tomorrow.

4053
02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:52,080
>> Please come to the table. Here are the scenario that we were to do this

4054
02:48:52,080 --> 02:48:54,560
and then if there if there's something

4055
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,720
that u the commissioner and the may

4056
02:48:56,720 --> 02:48:57,840
reach out to the department for

4057
02:48:57,840 --> 02:49:00,000
clarification we can get that ahead of

4058
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:02,319
time. So I encourage we need to take a

4059
02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:04,880
more high level approach now tomorrow

4060
02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:07,760
into Friday. We we need to kind of like

4061
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:09,359
say okay here's my number here's my

4062
02:49:09,359 --> 02:49:12,640
suggestion put it in writing it

4063
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,120
so we lessen the the kind of lengthy

4064
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:17,760
discussion here while we're dealing with

4065
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:18,560
numbers

4066
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:20,960
>> right

4067
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:26,240
>> and I encourage everyone yes myself

4068
02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:29,510
Williams

4069
02:49:29,520 --> 02:49:32,160
please

4070
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,800
suggestion

4071
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:36,000
is needed

4072
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,800
So just um point of clarification are we

4073
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:43,040
asking that excuse me for Mr. um

4074
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:45,840
Mr. Gil to be on Wednesday tomorrow?

4075
02:49:45,840 --> 02:49:46,960
>> Well, I don't know if it is

4076
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:47,920
availability,

4077
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:51,120
>> right? So because otherwise

4078
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:52,399
there's no daylight.

4079
02:49:52,399 --> 02:49:54,479
>> If he if he if he's available tomorrow

4080
02:49:54,479 --> 02:49:56,880
and can come in here for a quick get in

4081
02:49:56,880 --> 02:49:58,960
and out at 5:30.

4082
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:00,560
>> All right. So yeah, I don't know makes

4083
02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:03,600
that happen. And so I will forward you

4084
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:05,359
um

4085
02:50:05,359 --> 02:50:08,080
the wedding sent in terms of what's

4086
02:50:08,080 --> 02:50:09,920
going to expire and all that and then

4087
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:12,479
we'll all have that. But again, I know

4088
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:16,000
it may or may not be outstanding. But

4089
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:18,800
just keep in mind that I'm trying to

4090
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:21,359
>> look at what we can do differently and

4091
02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:23,600
better and get more income in terms of

4092
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:31,510
our pilots move forward.

4093
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:33,760
We have a game plan. We have homework to

4094
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:37,760
do. It's like school week.

4095
02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:40,319
Yeah. So, yes, I'm I'm going to submit

4096
02:50:40,319 --> 02:50:42,640
mine and get my words in. I'm going to

4097
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:45,840
copy everyone and you submit your stuff.

4098
02:50:45,840 --> 02:50:47,760
Please, if you don't mind copy us so we

4099
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:50,160
all on the same

4100
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:52,560
understanding in the same level and kind

4101
02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:54,000
of reviewing what what is being

4102
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,110
submitted.

4103
02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:59,200
I'm going to go with Max and Sean and

4104
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:02,080
I'll learn the certificate

4105
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:03,920
and also I'll look at the past

4106
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:06,080
properties and ones have foreclosed and

4107
02:51:06,080 --> 02:51:07,840
presented have been redeemed and then

4108
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:12,550
the ones for the next year.

4109
02:51:12,560 --> 02:51:14,080
» Yes. So you'll get the opening dates

4110
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:14,960
that we have better

4111
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:16,240
>> for the camera. Yes.

4112
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:20,150
>> Yeah. It's pretty.

4113
02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:25,510
» Anything else?

4114
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:26,800
You owe us dinner.

4115
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:28,000
>> No. Um,

4116
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:31,520
>> we can go now. Oh,

4117
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:32,720
>> all right. Anything anything before

4118
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:36,720
finance motion to recess until tomorrow

4119
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:38,080
5:30.

4120
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:38,800
>> So moved.

4121
02:51:38,800 --> 02:51:39,279
>> Second.

4122
02:51:39,279 --> 02:51:40,160
>> All in favor?

4123
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:58,309
>> I thank you.

4124
02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:01,040
send