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» Good evening everyone. I'd like to
recall the finance committee to order
and we will continue our 2026 budget
review.
Uh before we get into
our uh internal discussion,
I would like to ask um
director of our department of
development and that's Alex Car
to kind of brief us on a couple of
outstanding items. The council member
have
last evening. Um
there were two questions we need follow
up with and those has to do with um
the CBG
surplus
and CPG uh where is the money uh being
lost in terms of the cause and if
there's any surplus that within the
various department within the city
that is allowed
other guidelines.
>> Okay. One where it is log is we put out
our annual action plan every year what
our allocations are and we log in and IS
which was our HUD financial system.
So all of our funding is lost.
We use those things when we bring forth
an annual action plan every year as part
of the 5-year consolidated plan. When I
come and say these are our priorities
and then every year we come based on
applications we come before with you
with proposals from approved
applications amount that they apply for.
No, you can't just take a surplus and
reuse it and put it into the general
fund. That's not how it um how it works
and it has to align to the CURS and
national objectives. So, anything that
we do, we're going by HUD to say it's
going to be, you know, one of the three
national um objectives and it needs to
be part of the city's priority. So, we
would have to state that in the
consolidated in the 5year consolidated
plan.
>> I know that sounds like a lot, right?
>> So,
we are not allowed to use it for any
city project or any city cost. Well, you
can if it aligns with what the price
were that we outlined in our five-year
plan.
>> So meaning
for example if you apply like we have
when you say circle we have things that
come every year that gets allocated to
city projects whether it be development
whether it be code whether it be
engineering those things are those
things come into the city from from
those fundings. So for example, if we
have something, I'll use this youth line
for an example. We've identified in 2022
during CO that we allocated funding for
youth program that was never set up and
never spent. Now, we've realized that
the general fund is looking for money to
fill the gap for the youth program that
aligns with the national objectives and
the priorities that we set forth in our
consolidated plan for the city to fund
youth activities and initiative, youth
employment. So, that would align. So,
it's not just it's not just anything.
Again, don't give me your truck orders
and all of those things. You have to
move it down. We pass the other on
like we're starting on a good note. I
like this.
>> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted
guidance from you in terms of can we use
it for you? Can we use it for seniors
because we have to fund it seniors
before through CDBG
>> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund
the contract. Yes. But see those things
are competitive applications. Yes.
>> Right. So there's also caps that we have
to abide by. See, we only can do a
certain percentage amount of public
service projects, a certain percentage
of development projects, things that
fall into what we designated as our NRSA
area. So we do have caps for things like
emergency shelter. We have cap. A
certain amount of money can only go
towards that. So when we're working our
annual action plan and reallocating
money, we still have to ensure that it
falls within our cap. If we are looking
at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to
go back and make sure if we're
reallocating it to a different project
that we don't exceed
the percentages, the caps that we to
remain in compliance.
>> Question.
So, first of all, thank you for paying
attention throughout this process and
looking for trying to figure out ways to
support uh the youth program in
particular. Um, it seems like like you
um located some funds. Um, so I I really
do appreciate that and I think that that
um allows us to move past what would be
a really stickler point for us in the
budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see
myself supporting a budget that didn't
support that. So I really want to
explain
>> and and it's transparency. Anytime we
use any of the federal dollars that come
out development, there's a substantial
amount of reporting and accountability
that has to occur. So if those if parks
is going to be facilitating this youth
program, they need to work with the
department to make sure that they're
doing quarterly reporting that we have
the measurables that we need to report
to us. So it's not as simple as we found
money, we give you the money. there is reporting quarterly reporting
um that is due to the department so that
we can submit that to the federal
government.
>> So when we first started the program um
what we did which we got away from which
I would like to see us go back to was
partnering with the county because the
counties they had the the infrastructure
and the reporting the reporting
infrastructure that at the time aligned
with kind of what you're talking about.
So that's something that we might want
to revisit just because I don't want to
put more work on your department
especially being you know helping us
find the money for the
>> parks parks. Okay
for clarity for for parks cuz I but I do
appreciate that. So my question is what
so I was originally um before before
these conversations were happening I was
talking about using money for the golf
court from the revenue from the golf
course to support the youth line and in
yesterday's conversation I was
suggesting if we find the money and it
seems like we have the money that's a
line that we could use from CBDG funds
what about our seniors is is is that are
we in the same situation for seniors or
could we or should we go look at using
the revenue identified from the golf
course or to support seniors.
>> There are no funds that were previously
allocated that align with senior
services that haven't been expended.
>> Okay.
>> So, if there So, I can see that we used
to partner with the county and some of
the money that I found that we can use
is money that the county never it was
never set up. They never drawn down. So
it aligns that that doesn't that there's
no scenario that applies that way for to
support seniors right now.
>> Okay. So we can use the money from the
golf course to do that.
>> Go ahead.
>> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what
you're saying right now is that you did
find the money for youth employment for
this 2026 budget.
>> So you already have um
all of the uh CDBG. You you have a good
sense already in this year of what might
come back into your cup.
>> No, I have a good sense of what could
apply for the youth. What I did was I
had my program account went through to
see what did we allocate for youth
services in previous years and that is
what I'm able to use. But we're in the
process of closing it out and we're and
I'm talking about funds from 2021.
So these are new funds. We're going back
and doing some reconciliation in our
department. Okay.
>> To see what what's out there.
>> That's great.
>> Thank you. And I know that Mr. Misca had
to do that reporting.
>> He's he's done that kind of stuff
before. So,
>> do you have a number?
>> There's 160,000, but I would like to
keep the 10,000 to you as 150,000.
>> I didn't ask for 150.
>> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.
150. Yes.
>> I thought it was 150. It was but
before so we currently fund the senior
center through CDBG. So you're saying
that they didn't expend all the money so
they have funding available.
>> The senior center doesn't they're asking
for more money. Actually they they apply every year. So they applied
for 20,000 they spent 20,000 and they're
asking they're looking for more
additional money but they're also
working with the county to try to to
fill the gap
>> for this year for 2025. 2026.
>> They applied for 20 Well, your 2026 is
my 2025.
>> Oh,
>> okay.
>> So, do we have something? Do we have
>> So, we we we awarded them.
>> We gave them
>> what they asked for actually. So, let me
just bring
>> the 2026.
>> It's their contract is effective October
1st. So the the the federal year is
October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So
we are right now awarding contracts,
execution contracts right now. So the
senior center
» 24,000
>> and that will take them into 2024.
>> Okay.
>> 2026.
Yeah. Okay. So, we have
>> Okay.
>> Well, there are wait.
>> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. And then I'll come
back.
» I only have a hand.
>> Okay.
>> It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you
asked one question I asked. So, it's 150
allocated for the line.
>> The senior line that you're talking
about, you're only talking about the hy
talking about the other senior satellite
senior centers is what I'll call them.
No, but I do see in our general budget,
we do get a lot of invoices from
Catholic Charities, but I don't have any
authority over that. Those are just
invoices that pass through my
department, Catholic Charities invoice
that comes out of general budget. So, I
don't I haven't had a say so on how much
or but I just know they pass through. I
see the invoices and we submit them cuz
it's been so what's been written out of
our budget is those like
>> Yes.
That's correct.
>> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to
the revenue one. If you're not if you
want to finish explaining what you have
and then I'll ask about the revenue.
>> No you are doing this. Thank you.
>> You're making life easy for a lot of us
here.
>> Okay. Um last year this is uh now
line A27A.
» I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry. What was
>> A270A?
Sorry that so there's $100,000 um for
the SNAP from CBG for SNAP
>> right and now it's that was adopted 21
>> page 10 that is now adopted budget for
2025 but not in 2026
so
has
>> roughly
$200,000 in CBBG funds from previous
years that they have not invoiced
department of development to draw down
so they were not awarded this year.
>> How much?
>> 200,000.
So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.
From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't
been set up.
>> This is SNAP that you're talking about.
>> Mhm.
>> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So what
about you haveund thou uh roughly
$22,000
in unspent funds which is why they were
not funded.
» So you don't see that in the line in the
line but we see that CDBG our federal
dollars don't always show up in general funds but we see it on on our
side.
>> Go ahead please. So, if we had something
that fell under the code of SNAP
neighborhood revitalization,
would we be able to access that funding
that you just said is still
>> So, it's it's how it's not by title.
It's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's
really the clean up city owned property.
So, stabilization and clean up of city
own. Gotcha.
>> So, that's what the title is, but it's
how we
>> with the description what we said we
would do with those with that funding
lines.
So, um, so in that case, let's say we
have staff that do that. Is it possible
to leave some of that funding for like a
percentage of it towards that staffing
salary that does that particular work?
>> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.
That that is what it's what they have.
That money has been allocated to them to
ODS and spend. They just have never
invoiced.
And it is not for clarity and
transparency. It is not the government's
job to invoice that. We fund them. and
even internal
allocations. There's reporting. You have
to invoice. You have to submit those
time sheets, the properties that you
worked on. We we still have to submit
those things to us. So, that is not
something that my department would have
autonomy over.
>> Gotcha.
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>> But that money is there.
>> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How
do we how do we move our getting the
invoice from this department?
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,
Alex, but this is specifically has to be
CDBG eligible uh to draw down, correct?
>> Mhm.
>> So most of So that when it's to be CDBG
eligible needs to fall into it needs to
fall into a low moderate income area in
our neighborhood revitalization strategy
area. 85% of our city is that you know
what I'm saying
>> if not all
>> right
>> well between the the two designations
that we have
>> so
I think
>> so so what I'm hearing is that that we
have like over $200,000 that could
conceivably that's money from back from
two 2021 that we could conceivably bring
forward use towards
um in Yes.
>> Okay.
Thank you.
>> They may have had mentioned um
a a day or two ago that you're you're
looking to hire a an agency to help take
note of um
afford those property. So what we did
this year is that 100,000 that would
typically go to SNAP because they also
identified to us last year that they
didn't have the capacity to clean out
the city owned properties
>> as quick as we want to put them out. So
we took that 100,000 and we allocated
that to department of development so
that we do have more control. we can bid
that and we can clean up our property so
that they're safe for the realtor um to
access so that that clean up if we make
it snowing mowing
you know all of those things to make it
look good in the community we're going
to board them up nicely secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one
in so we can have more control to make
sure they get done cuz we know that the sell the properties that we have,
the mayor wants to get them out and list
them. But we've we've gotten a lot of
complaints from our realtors that the
properties are in the best condition or
safe to enter. So,
>> right.
>> And we heard that decision is informed
by the information that we've been
hearing from our neighborhood meetings
with the nonprofit plan.
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
No, I was going to say so it sounds like
that money needs to remain in your
department. So so you have the autonomy
and can make those decisions and make
sure that 100,000 that's going to be for
that's allocated for 2526 are here
>> is is us but that is not taken away from
what SNAP still
>> but right that was my point but the
200,000 is still there.
>> Okay go ahead.
>> When will when will that 200,000 not be
available or to be invoiced to you? Will
that ever go away?
>> HUD gives us five years
to spend.
>> No. What year?
>> No. This This 200,000 The 200,000. Oh,
yeah. It'll be
>> This is starting This is going back to
21. Yes.
>> We need to spend it.
>> Go ahead. So, it sounds like you're
recouping some of these funds so that
your department has more management and
oversight over it. Um, so then what
functions outside of that 85% of the
buildings that rely on the city is this
apartment still going to be responsible
for conducting?
>> I'm not clear on a question. I'm sorry.
Council member,
>> if you're maintaining the properties,
what's not doing for the 15% of the
properties that are eligible?
>> Well, we're going to maintain the
properties moving forward, but there's
plenty of properties that are still on
our roll that need to be addressed. And
even when SNAP goes out, when we get a
complaint, and I'll use this for an
example, if somebody does a click, see C
click C and they got a bill remove
debris
>> right
>> from the front of the house and it's on
Easter, the time that they spent is
billable um from CDBG, that's that's
addressing the issue. So
>> Mhm. I think there's some um flexibility
on how they they spend that money out
because it's not just for city own city
owned properties that are going for
sale.
>> So William sir I mean looking at that
you're hiring a consultant to help with
property. So that's taking away
responsibility from staff.
>> Are you hiring
the company? just we're bidding it out.
So we get a contractor that know we can
get the address.
>> So that is taking away responsibility
from this department.
>> Yes.
>> But they said they didn't have the
capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't
being done. It's essentially
>> they've been they've been doing it but
not as not not as fast. Snap doesn't
have the manpower to do them as fast as
it should be done to maintain what they
regularly would do. M
>> in the city owned properties.
>> So what we need to do is look in our
budget to see how we can reallocate the
200,000 that is existing now to see
along and and see how we could do that
with as long as being in line with the
HUD uh parameters.
>> I don't think we need to reallocate
that. It's already
>> not reallocated but
>> well no expense.
>> No. So, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
scared. SNAP, in other words, moving
forward, that $100,000 is going to come
back into development, right? So, we got
that. However, there is $200,000
existing right now within SNAP that they
have not invoiced for.
>> Correct.
>> So, and that money is only good for 5
years.
>> So, so we could repurpose,
we could I'm looking for the right term.
We could reuse that money as long as it
falls within the parameters of what we
expressed originally.
Is that correct?
>> So would it make sense to use it to
offset some of the snapsh the money
there for that?
>> This is where I'm going.
>> So as that makes that
that's the that was the intention.
>> Okay. All right. And this year we really
need that. So we can use this 210,000
>> 206
for those right there.
>> $22,559
» that we can use now for
>> Yes. In that category. So, can I just
So, in other words, right now, Miss
Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,
there's zero on CDBG snack neighborhood
revitalization. So, just to try to close
this part of the conversation, we could
put $200,000
in that line instead of
>> that. Well, this is old funds that
you're spending down. I wouldn't put
that in. It's already there. This is old money that would have showed
up in previous years that hasn't been
spent. I don't know how to
>> Well, but but we're trying to we're
obviously trying to increase our revenue
side of this budget. And so right now
that says zero for us. Um so that
200,000 that you're talking about is not
showing up anywhere for us. That will be
a commissioner. So what I'm saying is
can I take the zeroiz
» but if we put if we used it to support
salaries that
>> that are that no in other words if we
use that money to support salaries right
now or or portion of salaries that are
being um drawn from the general fund
then that 200,000 would essentially th
show up in our general fund because not
we wouldn't be use we'll be using this
200k instead taking money for the
general fund.
>> Okay. Everything works out correctly.
>> Well, well, if she's saying that we
could use it for salaries as long as
there's SNAP salaries then
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.
>> Well, it is it is.
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.
>> So, that means the the tracking OS would
have to track the addresses and the time
to make sure that they are in the
designated areas, which could be
cumbersome for men that are out in the
field. I know Chris expressed that
before. You know, they're out in the
field tracking it and I don't want to
speak for his department, but
yeah.
>> Um, but if they're So, my understanding
of if they don't randomly go, they
already know where they're assigned. So,
we know before they ever went there that
it's in
Goose Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's
in Hamilton and North NRSA CDG. So, when
they assigned where to go clean up, they
would know ahead of time. So they it's
not like the people on the ground would
have to capture that their supervisor
like look and say okay this is in that
area and this can be assigned to that
person going to do it.
>> Okay. I'm not it's not my department so
I'm not it's privy to you know their
process and how they how they do things.
>> So um would OGS have to invoice that
money every time they went? So it's it's
not like it's
>> not every time.
>> Okay. But they didn't they didn't do it
quarterly,
>> you know.
>> But it still has to be invoiced. So
money could still just be invoiced. And
>> right
I'm sorry. They could still not
>> the money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's
been used or invoiced. And do is there
any outstanding invoices they might have
that they didn't put through to you in
the past 2 or 3 years?
>> Now we've been in communication with
them council. So if they know that they
could invoice, it's just
>> they haven't. And I I'm sure there's
some obstacles that they're facing and
there's a valid reason why they haven't.
>> I can't speak to them, but so it might
not even be there if they if they have
invoices. They just haven't put
>> I doubt that they had invoices for that
many years. So depending I think that
they would probably use funds that were
more still readily available to them. So
for fun, so you're talking about this
26,000. Where is this one?
>> 200.
» John, just say 200. Let's Let's leave
her a little Let's leave her a little in
case somebody does something this year.
>> It's not in the general fund. That's why
it's not here.
>> It's not in the general. It's It's not
in the general fund because it hasn't
been set up yet. So it's been allocated.
In order for commissioner and his team
to see it, we have to set it up and tell
them we've set it up and do the PO
process. These funds are allocated from
our annual action plan but not set up in
the
>> So this makes a little too much in the
weeds for us.
>> How many how many more funds do we have
like this in the cloud?
in your work.
>> Back to my father in the money tree in
the backyard.
>> Because if we have $200,000 hair in the
cloud,
>> how much more funding do we have that we
are not utilizing from CDPG over the
last four or five years?
>> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you
utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm
seeing is really impact from CO, right?
It's not that we're not it's not that
we're not utilizing it. And now that we
have a full team, it gives us an
opportunity to really dive in and close
out projects. So close out projects,
understand what hasn't been set up, but
allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not
expecting you in the next 5 minutes to
really understand, but our HUD funding
has a HUD system that we
>> that we use. Our general funds has a
general fund system. It is it is
separate.
If before I go, I just have a follow up
there. So, can we can we get a report of
all the outstanding
>> there there is no report yet because my
team as I said council we're we're
working through this. We're trying to
>> But do you have something to say that we
can spend on from 2021 to now there is a
balance of what we need for what I you
can't work on it because it has to be
part of what? No, no, no, no.
2021 to now fun and it's not spend
enough
that needs that need actions.
>> I will I will get you something.
>> Go ahead.
>> That's not a That's not a function
though.
If I go through and do all that, it has
to be a we have to now put that out to
the public. That can't be something that
I say these are the funds that we have
in city council. There's a substantial
amendment. It's a process. I can't say
these are the funds and then city
council decides where this money goes
because it's community development money
that needs to go into the community and
the community has to say so and then we
do a public notice and then we have a um
>> grants grant applications.
>> We have the applications and then we we
have the public camera. So, it's not I
can do that, but it's not something that
city council can say we can move this
money, we can do that money. We cannot x
out the public um responsibility
for that.
>> So, okay. So, let's get back to this
$200,000
that we know is here.
>> We understand the intended function of
it. It was not used in the timeline that
we originally expected, but right now
we're looking at $200,000
with a clear purpose that we can use it
for as long as it stays within these
parameters. So, so we should the council
should look into
what what positions that we have in the
city right now that are working in a to
this aligned function of what this
$200,000 was. So, we have someone who
salary is $70,000
and they're doing this the type of work
that falls under this umbrella, then
that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come
from our general fund that we could use
this this $200,000 to fund that
position. So, that would be a plus of
$200,000. I think that's what we need to
focus on right now and then we could
look to the next thing.
>> I would agree with that. um that we got
to do,
>> but I have no You never look down here.
>> The money was waiting down.
>> Um so I'm just going to yell out. Um so
I have I agree with that because I don't
think like what Miss Carver said, we can
like look at all the money because as we
what we talked about yesterday, maybe
you weren't even here, Miss Carver. I
think it was specifically said that CDBG
has specific parameters and guidelines
and we have to say within those
>> and a citizen participation and
partition and beyond these seven
citizens.
>> Uh so so I would agree with you that my
further question though about the budget
as the revenue is that the 100,000 that
was you took back in house to 2 million
um through receipts through the
department of development. I see that
last year we allocated 570,000 on the CG
VG line for the department and this year
same amount. So I was so the question
for me became how that so that 570,000
are our admin costs the whole the SNAP
money that 100,000 is not ad is not
development admin. So we didn't
reallocate it for admin. we've
reallocated to bid bid it out for a
project. Okay. So that's why it is not
reflected there. Thank you for
clarification.
» Go ahead please.
>> But again I just want to say for we all
200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding down
won't be able to remember the exact
figure that you keep saying but we have
to go through a process. No,
>> no, we don't have
>> not
if we do. No, not for
keep it if we keep it the same. That's
already
>> Okay, that was my first question when we
first started this.
>> This is already allocated to the city.
It's already allocated.
It's already
>> It's already allocated. We've already
allocated that funding.
>> But we need in the budget. Is that what
you're saying? I don't know if we need I
don't know that far that's outside
>> this is a this is a commissioner a
commissioner question but that's where I
think you were jo kind of joking about
it being in the cloud but can look can
we just cut to the question that I'm
just trying to find the answer for
>> you so your question can we just say
okay instead of zero in the 2026 budget
on that line can we right now all fill
in on our budget $200,000 specifically
for SNAP
>> for SNAP.
>> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have
to worry about, you know, Mr. Lefon
putting in invoices, etc., etc. That's
all internal staff, uh, kinds of stuff.
But that's the answer to this question.
>> Yeah. But things that the 200,000 coming
into the line, it will reduce, um, the
general fund by $200,000,
>> right? 816. A
>> right game is
>> A1621 that line is 156. What is that?
>> So under snap
>> A621 100 we can use that $200,000
salary. So we'll just need a revenue in
>> 200,000's available that goes back to
the general fund.
>> So just make yourself not I still have
the time. This is why we called you
here.
>> What page was that? 16
>> that is page 25. So
>> thank you.
>> That is something that we can make um
>> recommendations.
>> Ah I see what you're saying.
>> Any other question for uh while we got
the unit
>> Mr. Williams?
>> Okay.
>> I mean although practically for us our
involvement in this process does not
extend beyond this conversation. There
needs to be internal discussions to
ensure that that process is done
otherwise we just $300,000.
So that is a further discussion that
does not include us but that needs to
happen. How do we ensure that that
happens?
>> Yeah and that's exactly I will I make
myself not about that. I will follow up
to make sure that we capture from 2021
to now you know current period. So what
is available what needs to spend off and
things like that so we don't have any
money lingering as a commissioner says
in the 12
» let me just
can finish. Oh, go ahead.
>> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying,
how do we ensure because right now we're
in this position because it was not
dropped down. There were no invoices
sent. So what she
>> what Mr. Williams is saying is how do we
ensure city invoices are submitted? I
mean we we can't do that. We as council
that's not our responsibility but what
system gets put into place I guess I'll
look at you what system gets put in
place so that the invoices are said so
the money gets spent or we could be
having the same conversation again next
year
>> again money won't get spent
>> again I just feel like that's an
internal I think Mr. Williams just said
it. I'm repeating now what you just
said, which I was trying to say earlier,
which is that's an internal staffing
decision. If we can use the $200,000,
let's put the $200,000 in our budget.
Let's let uh commissioner and our
director of development speak with Mr.
Leond or whatever. I mean, is there a
deadline in 2026 because that's the
5year mark, right? Um is there like a is
it March 20th? Is it August 17th?
We should let them figure that out. Um,
but we the answer to our question is
yes, we can put that $200,000 into the
snap line.
>> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility
too because if we didn't call back here,
none of us would be aware there is
$200,000
packing there. So, I think we need Yeah,
we can't we can't direct them what to
do, but we need to be informed of what's
going on. I mean there are things like
this outside there
commissioner of finance and department
of development director
they need to help each other and get it
sort of able to spend all this money.
>> Yeah, I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then and this seems
like this was something that happened
before you were even in the position
that you're in now. I have all the
confidence in your ability to make sure
that we don't lose $200,000 for somebody
to put in a receipt. I'm sure you can do
that. Let's go
>> before Miss Park as well. Boom.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that
line?
>> Mr. Mun, are you asking me to
>> Does everybody think that we finalized
that discussion on that one?
>> It's going to go in 8 months.
>> Here's my next question for Miss Carver
and it is regarding the homes revenue,
the sale of homes. So, the budget as a
um I have to find it. Sorry.
forget about revenue right?
>> Yep. I want to make sure that that
revenue line is realistic.
>> 26
» uh 260 I don't have 26.
>> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.
>> Uhoop.
>> Yeah. Okay, I got it now. Thank you. Um,
so we've projected
in 2026 budget
>> $3 million in revenue from the homes
program. And at the same time,
I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one
now. 535.
>> Thank you. Year to date.
>> What? Say it again, please.
>> 1,535 year to date as of
>> which probably doesn't include
>> probably since last September.
>> Yeah. So we still have a little bit more
revenue than million. So, we talked
about this a little bit the last time
when I was hearing the mayor gave
clarity that we have major projects, the
Sketch D40 project and um housing in
Roderdam that is still the sales of that
is still pending.
>> Um so,
>> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we
>> the conversation with the mayor said
more likely we will be close to the
estimated for this year. Okay. and then
we may have um one project rolled over
into next year with a size of money in
the 2022.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes
out there putting that projection at 4.5
million. Does that seem realistic to you
from 3 to 4.5?
Not not based on our current foreclosure
list. That's our think that we have
enough properties to satisfy that.
Gotcha. I did ask last night for
preparation council to put those
together expecting foreclosures the two
six or seven this year but next year two
forclosure is coming.
>> Yeah. No anyor
let me recap that pre-forclosure that is
going to happen into next year plus the one of the sizable sale property or
two into next year.
and two next year. So that will
roll over into next year sale. So we
have three sales before sale into next
year. Plus if the two major project
doesn't happen this year, it will roll
over into next year. That's how I factor
my number and ask. No, I'm going to
clarify it because we did listen to the
corporation council. We did talk about
it and why am I protecting that one?
because of two project and because of
the the pre foreclosure that's happening
next year.
>> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?
>> I am sticking with the same estimate
from this year into next year.
>> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue
in that line instead of 3 million is
realistic for your staff to achieve
>> as I previously stated.
I do not think that that is a realistic
number based on the list the information
that I've been provided on.
>> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify
it. Okay. Thank you.
» Any other questions? Go ahead please.
>> So I would say is that 3 million on that
same line a conservative projection or
to Mr. Lar's point is there room with
the information that you're avail that
you have available and that you feel
comfortable sharing with council that we
can go over? I think that's a law. A law
should be involved in that because they
are the ones that track that list.
Council member, we get the list from
law.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah, we did hear we heard from
corporation council that you know in
terms of the foreclosure in terms of how
much in the pipeline and that's how the
factoring and the two pro the two
housing project the party and then the
sale and relevant those were high high
volume sales. Mhm.
There was a question in the email that
the commissioner said that he had
another question about the code.
Yeah, that's right. Sorry if that caught
me.
That was again that um
where and I think it's a similar
situation has to um for line 17c
enforcement we had 100,000 in revenue
and right now
» so they did not
» yes
but they haven't been drawn down. So
they for this upcoming year they still
were awarded 100,000 but they have
206,000
that need to be drawn down.
>> So there's 260 now that code if possibly
they can use in the code doing their
>> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning
with putting it in here because I think
it helps us um be accountable. that kind
of ease the conversation with
commissioner and I to work with our
internal you know departments our
colleagues to say we we got to we got to
speak it down because it's in it's in
black and white so I'm sorry the number
is
>> yes 206
>> go ahead
>> so again I'm just trying to clarify are
we all hearing and Miss Carver correct
me if I'm wrong that line 217
>> what page
It's on page 10.
» Same thing the CBB fee stuff that we
were just
>> So if we wanted to instead of that line
being $100,000,
could we make that line $300,000?
>> Decrease their expenditure in the
expenditure part.
>> Reduce the um if you go to the budget
part, you increase the revenue by
206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.
and cultural
put enforcement and we use that for um
so we release $200,000 into the general
fund again there so that another
$200,000 into the general fund.
>> Mhm.
>> May I ask something?
>> That's why I asked the question. How
much do we have?
>> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it.
So
>> the only reason we're able to do this is
because it's already allocated to us.
There's already a resolution in place.
This has already been approved. this
already went through the citizen
participation plan. All of those things
>> over time.
>> Yes.
>> That we can
>> I just want the record to reflect that
we're not operating outside of
>> how we should
it's already allocated to us. It's
already allocated for this purpose. It's
just
>> I am so thankful that you're here.
>> So that's adding 200.
>> Go ahead. But but also to the point is
that I want to make sure we're not
getting ahead of ourselves expecting a
different outcome after any significant
changes. I'm confident that Miss Con Mr.
Book can do their jobs to advise the
standards, they're not going to be
chasing me. They can assist. They can
assist. But if there is not an
intentional direction from the mayor's
office that this is going to be a
priority, we will have a bigger
into next year. So without that
reassurance
I don't feel comfortable. You can put 9
in that you put 900,000 that fine but if
the work doesn't get done the funds
don't get replenished into the council
and we get replenished into the the
general fund.
>> Well but let me clarify you can use this
for salary.
>> Okay that's
>> so they have to draw it off the salary.
So it's not like a you know time sheet
has to be submitted and things like that
but that's more you make it more you
simplify it more rather than having to
go submit invoice and submit how many
times they spend out on the in the field
is more of a time sheet I would say
assumptions are
>> well no that's not
>> it's not an assumption
time sheets will still be required where
they the how where they did their time
that still applies it has to be in one
of our designated
into a system, right? That can't just
float.
>> Both both things are true. Both things
are true. If you use it for these these
identified lines like the A1621,
then they're going to pull a salary from
that line. People are going to have to
get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that
after people or while the people are
getting paid, we still have to make sure
we're in compliance with that. And the
way to do that is with the appropriate
reporting structure. So that's they're
both things are true. So, we just looks
like we can put almost $400,000 back
into our general fund if we use this for
salaries. Okay, good news.
>> Yeah.
>> What line are you looking to add this
to?
>> Uh code enforcements for salary.
>> It's not just salaries. It's a it's
about it's in it's written written with
HUD that it's a program. So, what is
reimburseable is when they go out they
do notices for um pole violations.
>> That that is that is how it is written. So only the sal work
does those salaries are reimburseable
when they do that direct work. So my
team we have a policy and procedure the
community development supervisor join me
tonight. We can you know be intentional
about meeting with the team again and
kind of going over what's expected
because we just did this with code and
it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a
little bit of work into it but that was
the whole purpose oh I'm sorry Mr. Shaw
I keep saying your hand but that was the
whole purpose of actually assigning CDG
money to code enforcement to do those
particular things and to use towards
those salons for doing particular things
that's just not happening because
there's no I I won't say there's no
system in place
>> I I will say that it's not being done
whether and if not there should be a
system in place and I don't know Mr.
Mayor and how we are We can force it. I
mean, we put them into the into the
salary line to draw down a salary to get
their time sheet to go and issue
certain, you know, whatever it was
whatever they need to draw them against,
they need to go ahead and do it and get
this money and spend
>> and follow follow the the the
application.
>> We lost Roberta and Robera and Co used
to do this. So, there was already a
backlog and then and then there was a
transition. So that's part of the reason
why those funds haven't been sent back.
>> Yeah. Go ahead.
>> So and we also have to remember, excuse
me, we have three total officers moving
forward that are presently there with
two supervisors. So sending individuals
out into the field. I don't know how
much it trust me I'm happy that we can
get money back into for you know going
out to doing these things. is the money
from code 2021 as well. That is
multiple years. So you have 2022 of
100,000 that commissioner doesn't see
because it is not set up
>> right know complexities to it. So I'm
not expecting you to understand but we
haven't set it up in our HUD system but
it was allocated. And then we had a
100,000 from 2024
and they have a balance of 6,342
from 2023.
Any idea why it was done some years not
other years? Um staffing I mean and and
is is there's a complexity when we talk
about the federal dollars in the
systems, right? So you have to you use
the oldest money first. So we can award
you in 2025, but if you have money in
2021 when we draw down, we got to draw
down that oldest money because
>> the time is ticking and they'll rec
recapture it so it doesn't in
transition. You know, I'm not making I'm
not making it doesn't make sense why
it's there.
>> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team
is working on this, which is why I can
give you these numbers right now. Right?
Because last year this time I wouldn't
have been able to give you these
numbers.
So we're we're we're working on kind of
aligning our our system with with the
HUD system in the funding.
>> Mr. Mira, I just want the record to
reflect that through Miss Carb and her
team's work, she's not she's has helped
us identify money to support our youth
line and and a potential additional if
we work this right adding back
>> $400,000 to our general fund
>> based on the work of hurricanes.
I know that's right President. So thank
So I just want to say that that that's a
you know when I spoke with you earlier
about the youth money I I wasn't even
aware of this other money that was
there. So this is all a result of your
team work. So Mitch, we appreciate the
work that you guys are doing. Um very
valuable.
>> Are there any other funding
like
Mitch? Stand up and check in those
cushions. See if there's some change in
there. We want to know.
I'm trying to get some money for this
guy.
>> There there's no other funding. And when
we do identify that funding, we we're
going to have to go through our citizen
participation plan and put that out
there and take applications. So that'll
be a process that will happen sometime
early next year.
>> I have to add to my first time
getting a detailed report like this
proceeding.
>> I'm very open. Imagine if we gave her a
statement. No, I'm joking. Why you
taking
not spending the money?
>> Um, so there's probably there's another
question that came up, but I just want
to make sure that um in terms of the
spend down where it shows if you have
57,000,
but then the year to date like 91,000.
So if you just want to give clarity,
>> then there's we spent down 91,000. We
still have time right now with the
shutdown. we don't have access to some
of our draw down systems to to draw down
the money and then we have some pending
time sheets that the team is working on
that will get us closer to to the finish
line. So that'll happen before the end
of the year.
>> That's right.
>> So in terms of um notions but the other
senior programs um because we don't have
the money
>> they submit an application.
No, no. I'm talking about the Catholic
Charities. Um the the senior lunch
programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays
and Friday. Well, actually, it's now
it's just um Mondays.
>> Yeah. Monday, Friday.
>> I mean, I guess I'm not going to worry
about that right now because it's
$60,000 or something. It seems like
maybe we'd be able to figure something
out as we go forward in terms of finding
$60,000. Um right. But then that that
doesn't go through her manual finding
it.
>> Well, I just figured we could figure out
a way to work with her on on
the just we found money for the youth
line.
>> No, I I know I I understand what we just
did.
>> As important the youth line is, it is
very important for us to fund the city
to there's no doubt about it. It will
have to be something that needs to go
back into the budget regarding the
community,
>> right? We just have to find the money.
You could. Well, we were going to do the
golf course first for do the youth
program. Why couldn't we use the golf
course revenue to support the seniors?
>> Well, we already have youth.
>> Let's not
touch and get out of here. Um, there's
other thing I asked in the email in
terms of two agencies. Um, and we asked
the last time you were here. Do you have
any updates? the experiment of um
>> so the the two the two vacancies um that
my department has identified for our
book
>> um that we have concerns around will be
the foundation which is $339,300
um
and the second organization is the
Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2 2
million. Now the D
uh Mitch can join me if you have some,
you know, detailed questions. Mitch has
been working oneonone with both
organizations I've been involved as well
of working oneonone. Marie has submitted
a plan that is not really realistic to
spend this money in time and they don't
seem to have um the additional funding
that's needed to carry out the project
that was once identified at this time of
application to come into to council.
That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton
Hill. They are moving forward. They have
a project manager now and they've
submitted an updated plan. But with the
time that we have given them to spend
this money, it is 50/50 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is
working with them for a backup plan to
maybe instead of doing a new build to do
the older rehab their existing building
already. So we have been trying to
troubleshoot
um troubleshoot.
So Mitch, you want to give us any
updates on where?
>> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill and
I was intro we were introduced to their
project manager who seems very
confident. Um I just received a copy of
a meeting yesterday
a bid he wants to send out to for the
project to get it so they can get ahead
of it started.
uh and we will review that and get back
to him and he's following the the
policies and procedures to give any bits
to us. So we will end up uh moving that
forward and he or they understand that
you know the the concern is that you
know their project manager has said that
in order to spend the 1 to be sure we
spend the 1.2 2 million by June 30th
2026.
>> He needs about 6 months of construction
based on his long. So
if this starts and and that's being
that's you know making sure that he
could spend it.
Uh so if they started on January 1st
which you know may or may not happen uh
even if they started February so they
may be able to do it. they they maybe
they can spend 75%, there's no way to
know, but it's it's going to be cutting
it very close
to, you know, by that timeline. There is
a backup plan if that doesn't seem to
work for some reason and that is to, you
know, switch over to repairs on the
their existing building and they're doing a two-track kind of thing
to see uh how they can go. But that is
once again, like Alex said, it's 50/50.
Mhm.
>> I did have an opportunity today to meet
with Metroplex and we're going to have a
conversation with the Helen Hill and
Metroplex so they can offer some project
management support to make sure that the
project can move forward. Um I'm
grateful that Metroplex is able to
support us at that. We don't have the
capacity to offer full project
management. So, we are working to try to
um
to assist them to make sure that the
project is able to move forward. I'll
add this that we gave our subreients one
date and we gave ourselves a little bit
of time in the event.
>> Mhm.
>> Then things stra. So, we do have a
little bit of fluff time. We have some
cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we
did that contractually. We gave that one
time, but we gave ourselves a little bit
on top of projects that may be a little
bit delayed. That was my that was
actually my question because when we
initially started this conversation with
the CBDG uh excuse me with the funds we
were allocating, we consistently sent
people the recipients that they had for
the end of 2026. We said that council
you said that. We said that. So I I
believe that some people kind of thought
they had the time and now um it's been
less than by 6 months to give you time.
That's well understood. So essentially
my question is let's say they don't
quite make it to the end of June. It
takes them to the end of July. Is there
still an opportunity to make sure that
they get
>> Yeah, there's still an there's still an
opportunity. If we would have given them
contracts to the end of the year, they
would
>> we don't have enough time to do
reporting. We don't know what the US
Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our
ducks in the ducks in the rough. So
there there is a little wiggle room, but
there's not much. We're not saying
there's four additional months because
we want to give us ourselves time to
compile whatever it is that is going to
be required by Treasury.
>> Thank you.
>> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills
is a great thing. Do you think that um
that's a conversation you could have
with them to assist maybe with jury as
well?
I I'll relax. And what's most important
is not even Metroplex being willing.
Metroplex is our partner. So they want
to support us. It's about our subreient
being willing to accept that um support.
So we're
our subreient
and and do that know that let them know
that that support is available to them.
I I think that Dor is a different
situation though because the funding for
that project and Mitch can touch on that
is not really aligned
as as at the time of of application. So
when they applied for it, they said they
had XYZ funding. They've had a
transition in leadership and she's
identified that she doesn't know. I'll
let Mitch elaborate. So I've met with
Reverend Solomon of De Foundation
multiple times and uh
she was not even aware of this in early
25 that they even had this.
>> Uh so they did you know start moving
forward and try and do some things and
they ran into some snags.
She did you know reach a lady back on uh
September 19th. I asked her for a
revised scope of work and revised budget
to see how it fits and she didn't do
revised budget of $128,000 of the
$339,000.
Uh however it doesn't really meet the so
the initial funding that we that the uh
city was funding them for provided some repairs and upgrades and furniture
to get their steps program started uh
which is a pretty comprehensive program
and that was supposed to have their
timeline here and they were supposed to
start construction
uh in January and June construction will
be done and we were going to fund the
programming for a full year after
uh this you know new funding which this
new application obvious budget will not
obviously
fund a year's worth of
uh work and the idea was that so they
have 18 months basically of some you
know equipment and upgrades and then a
year's worth of a total of you know a
year's worth six months rehab and
equipment and 12 months of
funding to get the program going. That
would give them the impetus to continue
to, you know, raise funds and and work
to, you know, make sure it gets
continued.
>> They will not have that there. And I
don't know how much they can
realistically do in a six-month time
frame between now, you know, six or
eight month time frame between now and
June.
>> And not to get Norwegian, so this would
be the last question around this. I know
that. No, but I just I think that this
might be a little more granular than we
want to get.
>> So, if I'm understanding correctly, then
there's money that was going to go into
the like some construction of a place to
house the program and then we were going
to support said programming, right? So,
would it be impactful for them? And I
think there's something obviously they
can help reach out to like if they if
they found a partner that could provide
them with a programming space that
wouldn't require construction, would
that help them or no? I guess I'm trying
to figure out.
>> They
don't have the programming gear to go.
>> Okay. Are you okay? That's, you know,
they did put in their new budget project
manager
>> to try and get things started.
>> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're
starting a program from from scratch and
you know, Megan Solomon was not involved
in the initial planning. So, she's
coming in, you know, really fresh and
>> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.
>> So, the program was supposedly already
going.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was
Okay. The special meeting with him.
Sorry guys,
I'm trying to propose myself to this one
because
I advocate for them to receive $525,000
from the county to do the construction
with another $75,000 to do the exterior
and we're falling apart because we can't
put put program together to manage a
328,000 models.
>> Mhm.
>> I
can say it came off.
>> Yeah. I I think that's something that
seems like there's some key pieces
missing that we might but I know where
you're going. So I think maybe a
conversation
>> that's
any other question. Thank you so much.
Uh thank you Mitch. Any other questions?
>> No.
Is there anything that you want to tell
us that you don't really ask?
>> No.
>> I like that. There you open yourself
more question.
>> Thank you.
so much for good guidance
today.
>> Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you
both.
» Cheers.
evening. How you doing? All right. Sorry
to get you all sweating
and blame it for the department. Ask me
too many questions.
>> They know that.
>> Oh,
>> they would not find that.
>> I would. Um so we have two questions on
revenue.
Hopefully Connor doesn't have that.
>> The one has to do with following the
email that we were sharing in terms of
the um the delinquent um delinquent
parking tickets.
>> Mhm. that um we split
recovery is working with your team to
kind of speed ahead that and um looking
at the actuals it's kind of like in my
eyes it looks on the competition we had
last year and how can we able to round
that up to get some higher numbers in
next next year. So currently in year to
date right now as of yesterday or today
um we've had
we had $130,64.95
of outstanding tickets paid if tickets
that's $1,593
tickets paid uh the oldest ticket was
issued March 20th of 2000.
And the most recent one was 6 months.
Anything delinquent has got 6 months or
more in order to be considered
delinquent. The
um
November of 2024 is when we started
working with uh Captain Montgomery. So
that's when the first uh 44,000 I think
tickets went out. And uh last year, I
can't remember what the um the number
was, but we they're we're not paying
anything to them. They're adding above
and beyond what we're
charged.
It's a percentage of what they do.
>> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.
They've collected $32,961
above and beyond what we've collected.
um that was what they've they charge for
and lose any of our actual revenue for
it and
there I don't know there's maybe other
options for another collection agency
possibly but there's that's really
nothing that I don't know how other way
to do right now we don't actually do any
of this work it goes from which is our
agency goes right from there to uh
McGomery and they handle everything for
us So there's no city involvement as far
as that goes and they just mailed the
letters out. We've let the uh they let
the fees and we pay down the agreement
that we have with can take on board
recovery agency.
>> We I haven't heard exclusive
>> uh I believe it's going to be exclusive.
I don't know when we'd have to check the
law department on that but I might be
able to get a copy of it as well. But um
we signed it in
probably 3 years ago, four years ago. It
took that long
a long time to go in.
>> It very well could be expiring be out,
but um we can definitely find out when
the when the contract expired.
So from the time of Tuesday
the October 14. So it's like $8,000
more in the last actual provider to me.
So now that's you know they keep they
keep adding on to the amount just you
spoke about yesterday
8 hours
in a 6 days 7 days period. Well, the
whole question is um
the revenue that we have in the budget
for 2020 is $170,000.
I was thinking that soon because they
started last year, they're ramping up a
lot
more and work with them to be more
aggressive in terms of pushing all the
ticket as much as they can rather than
leaving them. Okay, take it from there.
But we want to make more of a hands-on
approach and say guys give us a report
every every two week every month or
where you are and we need to kind of
like ramp it up.
>> Is that something that
>> adding more uh work on your side?
>> So not there's really not much we can do
from our side with capital recovery.
They're just they mount letters out. Um
they I think they do eight or nine
series letters. So they they run all the
data. They m letters out. I don't know
if they don't make phone calls. I just
they constantly amount of letters out.
Um the only other thing that we do is we
run decals internally. So we all these
license plates are put into our LPRs. So
our officers have to drive around the
parking officers. If there's um $300 or
more tickets like the go off, if the
officers are not on call, they might
stop the officer or might stop the car
or um in the morning the traffic
officers go out. Um I think
>> yeah I wasn't going to touch I wasn't
going to touch on that
any
>> I do have that right I just got this
information so this year so I believe we
ran 27 details
>> um we've had 414
vehicles that were towed 44
vehicles so some of those are old some
of those are new vehicles as far
um scoffs as far as like some of them
that's people that owe $300 or more. The
total revenue that I brought in from
that some of the people may not have
paid um but the total outstanding
tickets was $218,953
from those and that cost us $24,26.
» I'm sorry. $24, I guess.
>> $26.
>> Thank you. No. Um
218,000.
>> So 227 stock details, 414 vehicles
towed, 218,953
recovered, 24,26 in overtime, and then
gain of 1947.
When I say net gain, it's a gain.
However, it's money owed to the city. So
we're really paying the overtime, but
it's money the city already is owed
anyway. So saying that gain however
we're paying to get the revenue back.
>> Yeah. When you look at it, we we have
the money set aside to pay for the over
time recovery of $280,000 because if you
didn't do that effort, that $280,000
will be still out.
>> Yes.
So that's 280
>> almost 219,000. Yeah. 28. So, going back
to the
» Would it be safe for us to
$500,000?
>> $500,000.
>> I
got
so much more.
>> So, I would No, no, talking about the
delinquent parking, but the recovery
not the delinquent. I would say you're
more apt to increase actual parking
tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not
the delinquent part. The delinquents are
6 months old and over. That's
>> so even though we we ran,000 k in $20
and something,000
of that 200 something,000 only 130,000
of it has been 6 months total. Okay. So
that 130 debts included in that too. So
the rest of that money it's been 6
months to renew. So some people just I
don't want to go too off track
and throw at you.
Don't want to read the whole
» I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old
the one over 6 months was
>> uh over 6 months it is
130,64.95
6 months how we're back not
>> back to 2000
>> oh to 2000
>> yeah we had three tickets from 2000 and
then
>> Louise 2003
>> five from 2001 from 2003 when that was a
He just
>> when we were when we were going through
the report last year,
>> we had we were we were looking at a few
million dollars of that and we think
it's like we can recover.
>> Not the one that's 10 years old and
things like that. Those are like way
beyond
anybody's reach.
» Wait, what are we doing?
No, we're good.
» So, right now the, you know, for those 3
years, so money that is 3 years old or
less is1,252,285.
1.25 million is 3 years or less. That is
the the highest chance of recovery. Um
if you go out a total of
uh 10 years and older just 10 years and
one line alone there is uh 41,000
tickets that are 10 years and older and
that is like uh
that money going to say mobile size fact
that we got money we have 200 this year
we
>> $180
from 2000 most likely.
>> So, is there is there like so if the
public knows that, hey, you know, we're
going out to get these funds owed to the
city. Um, is there like a I mean besides
having to call down putting Is there
like is there any like maybe like on an
app or something where people can just
enter in their I don't know if it would
be their license or their car, you know,
maybe their tag number because I'm
thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got
a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we
have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it
doesn't cost the manh hours as it can
reduce some of the manh hours to collect
some of that money. Is there a way to
>> Yes, they can call in at any time or
there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the
website. It's I don't want to say I
think it's six connectity what's on the
main site but pay or something like that
and then the license plate didn't be
able to pay and that'll go for all of
the ticket not moving violations though
that just be parking.
>> Okay. All right. So um so if like
somebody has
and they you know they take part
with tickets also show off they
>> uh that would be
>> I don't know
>> that I do not know
>> I don't well I don't have one so
>> no so when you put something in your
passport and you get a ticket that
doesn't show up on
under your parking fines.
>> So guess the same this is the same
system. So I'm guessing that it probably
is but I'm not sure
that goes back to 2000 or go back four
or five years ago
>> cuz before passport it was plus.
>> So some of our reporting when you go
back four years ago or say five years
ago the reporting sides changed. So that
probably is when you go back to the 5
years.
>> No, I don't think 5 years. I meant like
>> recent.
>> Yeah.
>> So probably show up this way. If you if
you have a ticket can go with the
passport to pay for new parking or pay
new parking spot.
» You provide optimum pre 1.2 million.
>> Yes.
>> Do you have a number up to five years?
That includes the doubling of the
doubles
through four years is 1.48. 48 million.
>> Okay.
>> What is a billing point?
>> 141,48,614.
» Okay.
>> And then you add that fifth year
is 1,671,244.
And when you add an entire thing
together as far back as our records go,
>> um that's the 10 years and all the way
back is everything. It's 5.25.
>> We need that right though. I suppos
>> some of those people are
>> Yes.
>> They might have been deceased or you
know moved.
>> Yes. We can't.
>> Well, this recovery first started
November of last year.
>> November 2024
since the first tickets got mailed out
and then from that we've got it was last
year. It was very low. Um because the
first ticket started went out. I can't
remember what the the final revenue was.
Very low. But so far this year we've got
the 130,000 so far this year. Um and
it's it's gathering basically. We still
have two more months to go. So hopefully
we'll we'll continue to to see that and
every time ticket gets 6 months old and
older, it automatically triggers that
they start that flexing process. So
right now
um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588
tickets at a total base value of 29,000
with a penalties of 29,000.
the total value of 59,165.
And then in 61 to 90 days, we have 634
tickets outstanding with a total value
of 65,000.
91 to 80 days, 192 tickets for a total
value of 194,000. So as these tickets
become older, if we don't get them
through the SC details or people come in
and pay them, those tickets become
delinquent and large amount out and that
will become in this revenue instead of
our regular revenue. But our parking
revenue is um the highest spend ever
just because our our parking guys are
out there really doing
>> I think we did talk about this when I
show up DMV. When would this report to
DMV
>> that um I don't have the answer to that?
>> Okay.
>> It's not uh that the law has changed
over the last couple years. So, as far
as the fines go as far as it being just
a fine, they don't I don't believe they
do go unless there's other kind of FBI
circumstances. I don't know what.
>> But overall, I mean, starting last
November and the effort, I mean, this
year $130,000 and we still have two
months to do. It's a good effort, I
still sense the feeling that um we're
going to do better next year because
people going to get these tickets more
often. They're going to get the letter
repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better perfection into next year might
be a better you know
better better for revenue in terms of
how we we have right now $170,000
cuz
let's say you collect $150,000 this year
next year going to be people going
they're going to start pay they realize
that they're getting this letter now it
never used to happen all of a sudden I'm
getting letter to notify me that I was
planning to keep a sing. So I need to
pay for it
for now.
>> So So it's likely going to kind of like
>> increase up for a little while, then
it'll peak and then
>> we'll it'll start to go down a little
bit, but to your point right now it's
trending up. So you're saying
>> to maybe increase that line a little bit
because of it's trending up.
because people are getting they the
agency is sending out letters notifying
individual that they have outstanding
tickets.
>> So what are you thinking now after
hearing that? What do you think?
>> Not $500,000.
I have I have to push him off.
>> She's about to go out there right now
and start.
» All right.
So, it's good information. That's why I ask you to come back here
because
>> right while they're here,
>> we can sit here. We can sit here and you
know say our you know come up with our
estimate but it's good to hear that
where you are and this is the detail
that we need. So that is good
information and we'll we'll take that
into consideration. And the next one I
want to touch on is that the followup uh
email the second I think the same email
second page in terms of the detail and
the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um
7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that
you put there I call
um how often are they doing this? So it
is every day.
>> Those are the those are the calls. We
call it scoff law detail. It's not
really a scoff law. We just call it we
call it 27 times uh in 2025 year to
date. And
uh it's usually we have three two or
three officers working.
I think typically three looks like three
almost every time actually. um that
times I think that we worked in but uh
we had 414 vehicles were towed. We
recovered uh $218,953
in outstanding tickets.
We spent $24,26
on overtime.
>> 20 Oh, that's the same as you already
told us that. Okay. For everyone else,
the city got back at approximately $95
back in return. The um
the due to the staffing strength was 27
details uh that we wanted to run. If we
were to do it again next year, we got
80% coverage in 2026. If we ran 42
details and we did the same thing if we
ran to approximately 644 vehicles we
take in approximately $340,000
would cost us about $37,600
projected net of $32,000
as a
>> where is this accounted in the revenue
so the um
>> the regular revenue is included in the
uh regular parking box.
>> Yeah, parking.
>> Okay, that's
>> so that's the 200,000 for the shoot, but
I did not include any extra parking. So,
if we were to say more parking, we could
uh definitely put another 100,000 in
there. I would just stay there. We would
be spending another 17,000 in overtime
here from what overall we spent this
year in for
» but overall we are not losing against
except for gaining almost 10 time
$100,000 by spending $17,000. That's
what it's about over the last two years
is what he's been in traffic. Do you see
this as something that we can do more
often?
>> As long as we can get the guys to go out
and do it, then yes. This is something
we done in the last couple years and it
was
over the last few years that hasn't been
done
consistently last year. Uh it started to
be a little bit tenant traffic is is
very organized and does very good job.
So now it's it's uh when he plans it. So
what he actually does ahead of time just
goes around and
out there. He go finds all the vehicles
that have been hit or the heaviest finds
the ones that have the most the most
money that are
the guys that owes the most money.
There's 27 detail.
Oh, what is the time span between that?
Still six months, three months. Uh, we
did one January 9th, one January 15th.
So, it was from January 9th.
>> Yeah. Two a month.
>> Two months.
Two a month. Now, bear in mind, I just
want to say this that we recogn
recognized that we can 10x our effort
here. But when we gave our budget
request for this year, we only we only
budget it. We only asked for what we
felt could cover twice a month.
>> So we we have to the resources that
we're given, we have to balance them out
really for our core mission to protect
life and property, not necessarily
revenue generation. Of course, we'll do
whatever you ask us to do. So if you
want us to do more, we do over time to
reflect that
>> so we can pay the officers. So within
the period of January to February 20 27
retail and you recover almost 201
January
» two per month
>> I know I was excited. So we did three in
January, three in February, two in
March,
uh three in April,
>> three, one in June, two in July.
>> Okay.
>> Well, yeah.
See,
>> so you're doing it based on
availability, based on officers taking
off time within that period of time.
3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.
>> That's primarily time.
>> That's all.
>> Go ahead.
and have so it has to be over time. So
uh officers who are on the regular shift
and not I won't say in the downtime but
like in between time
>> so they can support our parking officers
do it during the daytime when they're
working that's they definitely do that.
Our officers if they are working and
they have downtime they can right now on
midnights um they have an assignment
where they are doing parking tickets
overnight. Um we've got some complaints
from that cuz they are they have picked
up their Oh yes,
>> they have picked up their parking. They
are uh they are doing pretty aggressive
parking and if they come across any
scaffolds
more of a targeted where he goes through
and finds the people that have
basically go through and finds him and
then take a while to get they line up
the tow truck ahead of time so they're
not waiting. So they're letting the
truck drivers know, hey, we're giving
Scott detail tonight. Can you have a
couple extra drivers on? Let drivers
know, hey, you're doing it. And then he
lines up the the tow companies and lets
everybody know we're going how we're
doing it. So, it's it's like a
mission.
>> It's so
I was just going to say that there is
there are some tensions to balance here.
>> Right. Right. So, I mean, and and
because I know we're seeing dollar signs
and I'm like, "Oh, but I I want to be
>> just be mindful that we don't want to
make up our entire, you know, uh uh
we're not trying to look out of our
entire deficit, well, perceived deficit
right now on for ticketing. I think that
that's a low it it can get to a point
where it be it is feels predatory on the
people that live here which then will
really put our uh officers in a tough
position as we're still trying to
maintain and build strong community
partnerships. So we have that's
something we have to keep in mind.
>> That's the priority $300 plus.
>> These are only 300 plus. We do not tow
less than that.
>> Um, just because that's the number you
see that's how much the tow is. So,
we're not take doing that. If somebody
does come out and they have they want to
pay it, they can they can pay it. We
forward them load right through their
through the app. They can they can do
that. So, we're not taking somebody's
car if they they do want to pay that
>> and they receive uh right to the uh the
formula that we can see. We can see how
many times and the dates that they
received letters and how many contacts
they had prior. So somebody said they
didn't know about it.
>> We can see the letter that they received
and how many times. So typically, you
know, it's um they got received the
ticket, received a notice that it was
going to double. Then it's they've
typically see four or five notices
before we're actually taking a car at
time. So there's they've received many
notices before. It's not we're not just
don't show that detail and just taking
>> people know that we're
never they don't they're not happy about
it. They they don't
>> and it's had the bad the benefit of
getting around is pay your ticket when
you get it.
>> People start paying rent.
>> So it's it's a balance and the more we
do the less opportunity you'll have too.
Any question
for you? This is good information. Thank
you.
>> I thought we had something about speed
cameras, didn't we? Didn't you ask
something about speed cameras you was
asking?
>> Yeah, you had a question about that
revenue and it was based on
» Yes, we do. So, we paid for $2.3 million
for the free damage. Yes. But the
monster went open.
So I just threw a yard out there and I
go
» for for you.
So instead of looking to hand out
everybody has it
the easiest way I'll explain it once
everybody has it just but this is with
the help of a vendor the name of that
but I think
that we had a demo with that we were
thinking about using
okay the
stats
Um they give us with the averages of
what um
the cities like ours need this
the say that typically
uh we so in the legislation that has not
been signed yet. So I'm not sure if
that's I have a copy of that but that
has not been signed. It's made it
through both houses but it has not been
signed.
In there it says the city of Skenctity
if approved would have 20 up to 20
zones. So the zones could be 20 should
be two different ways. So the
average this is a conservative average
>> for a city our size compared to what
they do. They do these across the US and
other countries as well. But uh be 400
tickets per both directions per month.
Mhm.
>> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid
um this amount of time and those have a
60% collection rate.
>> Wow.
>> Then they escalate to a $75
payment and then there's a 10%
collection rate on that and then there's
30% that stay uncollected or over time
they slowly trickle in. Then so on here
I put the the numbers of 240, 40, 120.
So then we this is still would be
negotiation but I'm putting in their
assumption of 50% of the city share that
it's per direction. So each direction we
would receive 6,000500
and then get 4500 collected which sit
there and we would have discussions like
on how we're going to collect that
money. um multiply that up by the 20
zones
uh each direction and the 9 months a
year of these options and that's where
I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1
million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million
over there in line and then down below
was 2.7 for 9 2.4 four for eight if and
if it didn't come right away if the
legislation or the bill was not signed
until later on.
>> And now there is you can also run it for
schools that run summer school. You can
run it
>> for those or any schools that have
activities that are school related in
the summertime. So you can run it for
more months than that.
>> You can or you can
>> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year
round or any anytime that a school
function is in place. So you can run it,
but the most places
I'm very conservative and with the
assumption of 9 months.
>> The council mayor may decide not to go
with 20 zones. We have a list of all the
schools. So depending on where everybody
wants to see them, you may go with not
20 zones or it may not make sense to do
>> both directions and some schools might
make sense to only go one way instead of
going both ways. M.
>> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.
I took these numbers and then I dropped
them down. So just in case there was
some
higher than these obviously those in the
papers and you know um but these are
this is where the numbers started from
before I brought them just because I
don't want you guys later on that.
>> Okay. So in Albany there's So I I think
I remember reading that like people were
challenging the tickets and they were
being successful and challenging based
on how those tickets were issued. Is
that like something that you're aware of
that?
>> So that I don't know about those as far
as more like bus patrol. I know you guys
question those as well. The bus patrol
tickets. Those were
>> Oh, I was talking about the school speed
zone tickets. Yeah, I'm not familiar so
much with those being um contested as
more as the bus controls definitely
work.
>> Okay. So,
>> and there is a now there's been some
changes to how the system works and how
the certifications are and those have
been worked around and although that's
been fixed.
>> So, if there was some contest something
that was tested on that, I'm sure that's
either fixed or the works to be fixed.
There was some uh slight things with bus
patrol that when it first came out. They
needed to have a different angle and
there had to be a certification
>> like a plate picture on there
>> and that was fixed. Uh luckily we were
on the back end of
>> getting it when other people were so we
didn't have that that issue.
>> Um so if there that was an issue I don't
I'm sure that would be next week by the
time we are
>> cool. Go ahead. Thank you. You said on
this you haven't decided how to collect
these.
Elaborate on that. So
>> the the uncollected the
>> Oh, the uncollect.
>> So this right here is it's again what
kind of works like bus patrol,
>> right?
>> This one the the system sends the PD or
it can be somebody else uh video and a
picture of a car running. This in in the
legislation has to be over 10 mph. So if
the school speed zone is 20, it has to
be at least 31 mph. So it can't be
anything less than 10 mph. So it's
automatically set to 11 mph.
>> Okay?
>> So school zones 20 or 15,
>> it has to be 11 mph before it gets
triggered.
>> And then there's a picture, there's a
video, there's license plate, and then
it gets their company reviews it. And
then it gets sent to us. We we review
it. And then it's sent to the video and
the picture gets sent to the registered
owner. These I believe more people are
willing to pay these. It's $50 where the
bus patrol ticket is $250 and these are
$50. So I think that's why these have a
higher collection rate than some other
ones.
>> Would you need an officer or someone to
review what they what the company?
>> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what
we're doing currently as well. So every
time somebody we do those videos it uh
we have to review those and then after
we review it the law department if
somebody says
>> no
they're testing it then the law
department reviews it and then they
they'll bring it to court.
>> Go ahead.
>> So it's a little off this but I did
recently have a phone call from a
resident who had received the higher
ticket and basically said were you
there? Oh that's my car.
um etc. And I So my question is, which
is not related to the budget, I'm sorry,
but I told her to call the police
department or go down to the police
department and and is that was that the
right advice to give this person?
>> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their
car, then um traffic would definitely
look at it. A lot of times we get
they're saying that there's no way that
I would do something like that. And if
that's the case, then we would say the
law department would be the way to go.
Um
>> gotcha. So they would be able to do a
ticket in the mail actually has a link
where they can watch the video of the
vehicle
the ticket video pictures and all sorts
of things happen. But if some for some
reason they say that's not my car then
that would be like okay we could we
could review it and we would say okay
that's a license plate that's not a a
blue Buick
>> and then we would be able to tell that
there's an issue with the registration
vehicle and we could take care of that.
But if it's there's no way that I don't
think that I actually ran through it.
>> Most people 99% of the people aren't
don't say that because it's it's clearly
clear as that. You actually see like
four angles. I think it's three or four
depending on the box. You actually see
yourself going through it. Um it's very clear. I would say that's all
part because once the ticket's issued,
we can't unless it's a technical issue,
we can't get rid of it. So it's
>> so once the ticket is issued.
>> Okay. So thank you. So you said that
this is an estimate of how much we would
get. So there's room for negotiation
that we could get 60% versus 50.
>> It's possible. Um I believe that the 50
is going to probably be where it is, but
we there's the potential. There is
potential for that. The uh our bus
patrol started off as a different rate
and then we renewed after a year. Mhm.
>> Uh our commissioner really beat him up
and got us a better rate after one year.
And
>> Oh, I remember that.
>> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.
>> So, we have not signed obviously signed
anything. It's a master service
agreement. It's um we don't pay anything
for the company that we currently engage
with. The city pays no money with. It's
they install everything. They do
everything. They collect some money. Um,
but there was no cost to us, but there
would be a negotiation phase to it. So,
>> does that mean I can increase this to
400,000?
» I was if uh if anybody knows the
governor, if they want to call her, have
her sign the right.
I know soon as she get obviously we want
to do a uh a campaign right away to
advise everybody. That's definitely the
right way to do it is to we can even
they starting sooner than later to put
it out say these are coming just uh once
she signs it. I believe it's the
following month that they can start
putting them out. I think is how the how
the law works.
>> Mhm.
>> And I think they can get them in like 7
to 14 days if we were to go into certain
companies and everybody reading their
contract is signed pretty quick. But you
definitely want to do a at least a month
or several weeks of a of a campaign. Let
people know what's happening because
stick them out there.
>> And they do do a like a mailing out
campaign. So it's it can be however long
it's decided where they'll get like a
warning for a certain amount of time.
They'll get to actually get a m warning
to say you're you're speeding and slow
down.
Um, Mr. Go ahead.
>> So, do you can you get the legislative
the number of Oh, you have it. Thank
you. Cuz I
>> like to follow up on this.
» Thank you.
» All right. Any other questions for the
chief?
>> Well, in terms of the funding, this is
the detail is categorized under the
funding on the revenue. Yes.
>> 26 and yes.
>> Do you have where where would this fall
or that is it owns its own line? I
believe he I believe commissioner put on
>> you talking about that this um detail we
covered 219,000 but it's not in
the
26 26
B okay
26
Okay. Are there any other questions for
the chief?
>> Well,
um I think that I I think he probably
had to had to leave, but Mr. Williams
had asked about a couple of the capital
budget pieces,
>> right? I think he answered one of the
greens.
>> It was answered.
>> Oh. Oh, this is an old I thought this we
just got this tonight. I think the name
October 22nd is the date from this
morning
in our packet tonight.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
he's um two of his recommendations and I
know we've had the discussion already
about the capital fund uh the capital
budget doesn't affect our what we're
looking for here, but it would affect us
next year. So, I think it's worth um
trying to ask the questions. And so on
his behalf, um he's wondering um about
removing from the police department
halfway allocations as well as um
removing department evidence storage
solutions. Um so that would be 273K for
the first two gate the other. Um so
would you like to talk about what impact
that would have if we were to um try to
reduce the capital budget by
>> so I'll start off with the evidence um
that one I've actually tried to apply
for grant in the past um and that one
right now
we have compensation
to um that are in and out is full so
we're supposed to be pulling it policy
says cuz we're actually pulled u port
prisoners in and out
>> and we can't because it is full of uh we
have motorcycles, we have bikes, we have
um our deliveries and other items coming
inside of there. So, we have no room in
there because where we were supposed to
keep that stuff is full evidence. So
down in the parking lot uh right across
from that is completely full of evidence
and our basement is completely full of
evidence and we have absolutely no room
left for it.
>> Okay.
>> Um and besides that
>> besides that we actually uh we have 10
freezers in our basement that uh is
currently they're overheated and we're
getting them work done regularly because
we don't have any wreck in that in the
building. We wanted to do I thought we
were going to do a bigger project, but I
think that future years it's going to be
extremely expensive,
>> right?
>> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000
um HVAC mini smaller project that we had
quote for last year to get uh air
conditioning or renting in our freezing
water. And though all our freezers are
full, so we need freezer space. Um,
unfortunately I think we're we're out of
it. So we have to buy we had to buy
another freezer and we have a place to
put it. So lost $10,000. So long story
short is we that is the most crucial
thing of anything. Obviously we talk
about the other things but we are
chucked out of space and we we need we
need space very badly. One of the
reasons for that is that the state
changed the detention rates that we had
to. So now we can't get rid of evidence.
Yeah. We wanted to
one was unfunded mandates where they had
to keep these for 30 years now and
>> 30 years.
>> We gave up our break room for store
evidence. We just keep losing space in
that building store evidence that has to
be stored for a horse of 30 years and
she just me but we budgeted we budgeted
higher than 250,000 ready to cut it
down.
>> Yes. We asked for uh as we asked for uh
for storage freezer and training and it
got cut from the 700 down 250 free spot
for now so you can move some stuff
around. So it moves down to uh down to
the the
like and obviously next year we coming
back and asking for another one.
>> And then the other well just to finish
the other one that Mr. Williams was
asking about was half the vehicle
obligation as well.
>> I had an appointment.
>> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want
to, but if that's a decision that um
there is, then we wouldn't do that.
Right now, that was cut down from the
initial uh we had asked for um 13
>> 13 I think that's down to I think. So,
that's one parking vehicle, three patrol
vehicles, and four detected vehicles.
One evidence down.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes.
So that's if we hadn't do the math that
we would we would make deal with if we
did do that. So whatever
>> the danger with that is we're talking
the ability to buy cars next March or
next May and it's usually about a
one-year process from getting it and
getting it updated before it hits the
streets. The ones that were approved
that we purchased this past May, we
haven't even had them yet.
>> One today actually yesterday.
>> Or was that from the year before? That
was from the year before. So May of 24,
>> we haven't gotten those colors yet. So
there's always that black.
» So I'm going to finish up the shipping.
I haven't
is that essential
buy from people
like
>> that's in the capital
anywhere. So we're actually speaking to
the mayor either locate them in an area
of our parking lot that's currently
grass a grassy null or even potentially
put them on top of the police department
because there's a flat roof that can
wait stand that way just looking for
space to utilize in l of building a
building or buying a building
on top of the building it we we haven't
gone through that betting process yes
it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this
a full freezer it'd be a a freezer 8540
freezer
>> which is more efficient than running 10
individual commercial
>> yes you're using less power it's an
investment it's a lower cost time
>> thank you and the important of this for
the importance of this for cold cases
DNA everything to save kids things like
that
for sure
>> yeah
so um so with the vehicle questions like
in 2020 when we're putting our 2025
budget together. There was a request for
two SUVs, three hybrids vans, and a
hybrid van.
>> Yes.
So, none of those two say we
received this point.
>> Yep. So, on those um so what did we So,
what were the uh what were the what did
we actually
>> Yes. You in 20 for the 2025 budget as
two SUVs.
>> Yeah.
>> 300 sedans.
>> Yeah.
>> And three hybrid vans.
>> 300 vans. We received some of them. So,
the three hybrids, uh, those are on order and three hybrid
sedan sedans. We actually went with, um,
EVs. We received one of those today and
the other two are on order. And then the
two SUVs,
um, we looked to order one of those. Uh,
got the mini bid back the other day, but
did not pull the trigger on it. and the
other one. And um
I don't think we worked that yet.
>> So with the hybrids, is that going to be
an increased cost? Uh excuse me, with
the EV, it's going to be increase
instead of just a hybrid versus a
straight EV is what you said that you
ordered instead of
>> No. No. So no, there's the same. We we
stay within the within the capital
within the budget. No, everything's been
within those within the lines.
So now the 20 for the 2026 budget we
just need three more is
>> yes
>> a total of five in the last
>> yes two years to replace to
>> yeah to replace yes so we had we the
SUVs that are patrol cars are frontline
cars so those are the ones that to get
unfortunately those are beat up pretty
heavily so the ones that are for patrol
those are the ones that need to be those
are hybrids the SUVs
the uh patrol interceptors, they're all
those end up getting rid of our chargers
that we had. Those are back from uh 2020
maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest one
we have now. So those are all getting
phased out. Our old ones are down on
phosph getting auctioned off.
>> Oh my question. Absolutely.
>> We every time we get auctioned off if
there's something that's semidecent and
fast we have all of the other um bure
they are interested because
um
they do get everything that we have is
an accident
money
>> money goes back into the revenue and not
our budget but there's a line
uh general and I think
>> no general
>> in the uh there's a line that's sale of
vehicles.
>> Oh yeah, I can see.
>> So you mentioned about parking with some
of the people.
Can we pass that at least
not the parks department because of the
only from about 8:00 in the morning or 7
to 5?
>> So we did do that. That's typically what
we do do is we bring them. It's uh
actually right now actually we did do
that with one of our our last vehicles
that was moved forward to parking. So we
have two sorry right now we have three
vehicles parking I believe that were our
old vehicles and the other one is a is
an EV um that we had was a Chevy Bolt
and the plan was to buy you know a Chevy
Bolt for next year. The one of the
vehicles in parking is just uh I think
it's pretty much fall apart. So I I
think the conversation about the capital
budget when we did this a day or two was
more of um can we hold off on capital
spending because of the situation we at
the moment we're facing a a budget a
proposed budget of 17%. And then fees on
top of that and then this is not going
to affect the budget. be borrowing
money, but we have to we have taxpayers
going to have to pay for this in 2027.
>> That's more borrowing than them already.
Now, we're pushing that into next year.
>> So, that was open discussion a couple
days ago in terms of can we put these
off.
>> I would say that that you can I would
just say that, you know, I just my only
thing would be in the future, you know,
I might come back and say that we need
vehicles and I just don't want to I
don't want to keep getting too far down
the road. Absolutely. You know,
whatever. If the council decides that,
then we will live with whatever the
council sides the the evidence. I
wouldn't I mean to ask you to strongly
consider not cutting that.
>> Um but the vehicles, if you had to cut
that in half, I would say that we will deal with whatever you guys have
to have to do to do what's right for the
city.
>> But right now, you have three SUVs for K
North. So, are you saying
I'll say two two police and two unmarked
and could you and then you still want
the parking?
>> I would love to have they are they do a
very good job for us and that's going to
actually be able to buy it and we
actually find a we team on that. So, uh
it would actually be be pretty pretty
reasonable
to keep
that.
Thank you.
for bringing that up. Yeah,
because you know it's good that we have
saw this memo from
Williams.
>> Yes.
>> About the discussion and things about
it. That's what the whole s discussion
about the capital budget is because of
>> we need to get out of where we are right
now
>> and then we need to find a recovery how
we move forward in the 2017.
Uh any other question on this part?
So I don't want to continue going but
there are two more questions that was
asked of me. So I don't want I want to
miss out and have to come back.
>> You want to know about going or somebody
going
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just
noticed that I see what line
>> but it doubled.
>> Yeah. The question was that it doubled
and I was thinking and I was just trying
to figure out that's line
>> A 1789
>> and and and a so I was just trying to
figure out
>> why how did we get to doubling
>> so we were asked to come up with way to
increase revenues
months ago and that was just one way
it was
>> we we we did renegotiate Which animal
responsibility
charge the people that are actually
total numbers contract
year or two ago?
>> Yes.
>> That is kicking in this year.
» Go ahead. So you said you double the
illustrated.
So who is that? Is that who is that?
The people who are um getting their car
is divided between the two of them.
Typically companies
typically it's it's on insurance calls.
>> Okay. So accidents I understand.
However, if someone's getting their
parts over because of the license
and so on, those double cs are in.
>> Yes. Question. Yes.
>> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,
I guess it would be, right?
>> Or or if you're driving registration or
license,
you can't get somebody to take time.
If if it's a police request
drive
» I think we're talking $35 or $70.
>> Yes. Yes.
» Um well can I go further with that? So
what you if you're including these
before for the total for the um to
amounts
those search charges only for the
administration it didn't include um the
impound lot is a totally separate page.
So how so I understand how to search
charge for the towing but the impound
lot is that is our lot is it is it
somebody else's lot right?
>> Yes. So right now uh they can char the
tow companies charge up to $200 for a
toe and the city gets $35 per toe and
then the impound lot they the tow
companies take them back and tow there
and they get 70 up to $75 per day. City
gets $10 per day. So we would double
that to $20 per day and double the
amount of money.
>> Oh. So we're only doubling the fee for
the lot. That 75 doesn't become 50.
>> Correct. Correct.
So, and we they could we could either
tell them that we want to keep $75 and
take money from the toe company or
negotiate that or say it wants to be $85
>> and then you just add $10.
>> Okay.
>> I thought they Isn't there like a limit
that they can charge per day like state
law or something like that? Like they
can't No, that so that
>> Okay. Okay.
but either way 10,000 and okay
» sorry again I'm just looking at
Australian sheet was one other one is
which is the uh it's 3120 a 312402
um
and it I think he's looking at the um
public safety foundation which in this
budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of
the 25,000 that we used to have. Um but
I don't understand I guess
>> I'm not really understanding Mr.
Everybody else is um
>> yeah he's looking at the actual we have
outstanding invoices
the public safety
happen
the one in the park
of all the invo
>> today
um I believe they all had um for that
event and any all other events
everything what we have not done um
after anyone was done with the
you have say Halloween.
We did not do the
don't
» and we did not do there's several ones
that we did not do obviously not paid
for towards the end of the year when the
budget for the last couple months uh
just the budget started we heard the
budget was getting
>> actually tighter we just we didn't try
to consult we were concerned
Okay. You know what? I'm asking I was
the wrong It was the wrong line. Um, Mr.
Williams,
>> he is asking that line.
>> Yeah, he's asking also.
>> He said, but I said the wrong one.
>> 4.5
reducing less%.
>> I said the wrong one. But
>> yeah,
>> Go ahead.
>> He he because I couldn't figure it out
myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's
402, not 40. I was talking about 402B,
the public safety foundation, but
actually Mr. Williams's question is
about the administrative expense 31242,
which the budget um I mean year to date
we've spent um only 48
>> uh 48% of it, 48.7K.
Um and in the 2026 budget, um it's being
reduced
It's not uh it's not being reduced. And
so I think I think I don't want to put
words into his mouth.
>> So from from the 2025 adopted to the
2026 for is being reduced by 700
>> 11 1,700. Yeah. 1,700.
So Mr. Williams is asking that reduced
by another 25%.
>> Oh.
>> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.
Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an
additional 25,000
>> based on so I want to get your your
thought on that as well. Does the trade
on expense?
>> So there's it was 25. We we proposed to
107500.
» No, I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry.
You did not borrow to um A, B, or C.
want to add this
or you could be right here.
>> I I say so
>> it's really the regular administrative
expense but that but Mr. Williams Mr.
Williams is saying perhaps we could
reduce
>> $10,000. Yes, he's suggesting reducing
it by $25,000.
And I think that he's saying that
because year to date, which I know these
are don't have all our figures in, but
year to date
>> 48.7.
>> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.
So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe
it's because the last quarter
>> contracts renewed. So, I know we just
contracts when they're due.
>> We just renewed. We've got our copy
release. We just signed um couple days
ago. So, I got to find out what that is.
Um I can tell you that historically, but
I'm not sure if this is still practice,
but Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some
supplies at the end of the year, and
that was that would be common practice
prior to the beginning of the year
because we had a surplus. I don't know.
That's the practice I'm going right now.
>> Original requested 1234 before it was
knocked down, but
>> Oh, okay.
>> But um I can see exactly what we had
coming up for that.
>> No, want a big one.
>> That was that's our supply.
>> Yeah. So on on administrative?
>> No, that's that's our supply.
This is our guardian software
or not guardian software. Um
our errors miserction
of drugs
reimbursements
shredded.
So I can go back to that and actually
see what we've spent out of that to see
more detail and see what kind of effect
that would have on us.
>> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.
Thanks you
» October 9mber.
Yeah, I guess so. Any
other questions?
There's one more on my
just
be addressing about bus control. Um bus
patrol was not reducing the numbers. Um
reduced by 200,000 from last year this
year. Um so the answer to put in mind
what we actually received. So this year
to date uh as of uh the end of September
we are at $249
called $250,000
and
um we renegotiated
the wait 300 July. So now we feel that
400,000 is an actual number compared to
600,000.
The renegotiation made it so that during
the summer months there there used to be
a technology fee. We no longer have to
pay that which was eating up all the
revenue that we had throughout the
summer months. And our source technology
feeding is cut in half throughout the
rest of the year. So that really um
saved us about $200,000 a year
automatically uh without
feeds a little bit different now. And I
know that we have a lot of unflected
funds.
Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000
uncollected funds there and we're owed
about 60% of that as well. So there's
about $600,000 of uncollected funds out
there.
>> How much does that
um about $600,000 $50 million out there?
About $600,000. So, we have currently
$250,000
actual.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you receive?
>> Yeah. 250.
>> $600,000 outstanding.
>> Mhm.
>> That over the last two years um
outstanding. Currently in the last year,
right now we have $147,000.
It's
where about
10 minutes depending on
50% or a lot of involved and they don't
collect
on it that would be 60%. But there at a
minimum 50%. Uh 22 271 to 360 days
147,000.
181 to 270 is 178,000.
90 to 80.
Less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are
uncontested unpaid tickets. We have uh
people that have contested it and
they've lost. Um and that is $10,000. So
that's we have $5,000.
>> The revenue revenue line is that
26.
>> So if we
actual it's 250,000 and that is like
it's current or in September.
>> That's current that's as of uh today I
just got the end of September number
sorry. So that's through September 30th.
>> Through September 30th I don't have I
won't get I usually like between around
October 10th I'll have the numbers
through October. So look at the car for
September and look at how much you have
outstanding $600,000 that
>> that's 356
>> that is due to
>> what's
>> are they any recovery effort in terms of
that by the law department but
>> right now the law department I believe
is working they're working on getting
I believe they're working on getting
something
>> we're working on but by the same token
it's $200,000 these are not parking
tickets
>> and these these folk I the police
department will will say that people who
are getting these tickets are contesting
these tickets. These are not $50
tickets. These are, you know, you go on
a certain day of the week and there's
bus patrol tickets going on that we're
prosecuting. So you I think that there's
figures that the police department has
provided are figures to go by in light
of the fact that we have to deal with,
you know, people who are contesting
these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200,
you know, it's an incentive for people
to contest the tickets if they feel that
they have been
already wrong. And also
this is not where you know we're talking
about parking you're talking about
parking tickets about going to DMV.
These aren't being lean these don't
impact and this is probably you know a
deficit in the legislation that these
tickets these unpaid tickets are not
impacting the vehicle when people go to
register. Oh
>> do you? So that's, you know, if that was
me referred to DM on big tickets,
then people would when the registrations
would come up, they would see all these
tickets on the because the tickets
aren't to the person, they're to the
vehicle.
>> Right. Right.
>> This is a lot of work for a lot of this.
is you should be up there because
we've got people contesting it. We show
people the video. We talk to the people
beforehand. We That's on pre-trial day.
And then even after that we have to then
go to trial with you know with the with
witnesses and documentation. So I think
the figures that the police department
are giving you are real estate figures
and then you know there's a broader
issue about bus you know you know bus
control you know tickets as far as
getting that revenue that's for UNC you
know those those tickets where people
default if you will not
>> in terms of percentage getting thrown
out
>> I I can only give you that off hand I
mean I keep
>> I mean over the last several months.
>> I I I'll have to look at I can't give
that figure to you right off hand. I'll
talk to the staff in our office who
prosecutes the tickets
>> if you don't mind cuz we we would like
to look at that to kind of gauge oursel
in terms of what is being
>> contested ticket
boss patrol and how much are being told
and how much are being challenged
because it's it's it is you know we're
talking about you know you know the
amount of you know there's there's
police time on these tickets and there's
corporation count time on these tickets
as well as so um just managing the
expectations.
>> So in those cases where people are
contesting
usually they offer like a reduction to
>> the trouble is that it doesn't we're
this is we have no wiggle room
>> understood okay I got you there's no
wiggle room
>> so Mr. Can I just ask a question? So,
basically, just to get back to it,
>> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.
>> And we should not touch that.
>> I agree that $4,000 is a is a realistic
number. And I would say that I will keep
an eye on it for some reason. It starts
to that we're we are seeing an increase
now with the new contract
and it was going great. I will probably
come with you next year and say, "Hey,
you know,
>> a million
say, you know, happen to the year." say,
"Hey, if there's something else you guys
want to do, there's, you know, where
there's an extra it might be at
$500,000. You got an extra $100,000 to
do something with, but I would say I
would keep I would keep
>> I would I would keep $400,000."
>> Did you um did you factor in the
uncollected into this $400?
>> I did not include any uncollected
over the years.
>> They right now I don't know how about
this to go about the act like that.
Right now, bus patrol is in talk about
how they're going to do the collecting.
I think there's um possibly they might
be changing the way the ticket thinking
process is working so that they might be
able to do a civil um a different
process possibly or um part they have to
contest and they have to it's a lot of
being that in order to get a judgment um
it's a lot of work for them.
Um
>> because it's a lot of spending $600,000.
Does this mean does this sort charge
added to this?
>> There's no right now 250 and that's it.
>> This is there's no open legislation
right now. So in the future there's
potentially we could come to you if
there's a process in place to say to add
legislation to this. I don't actually I
don't know if that's even possible but
it's it's the state law. It's a state
law.
takes 200 hours and that's why you can't
there's no room for negotiations as far
as
>> yeah because I'm looking at it I mean
you have done just a little bit of
parking we make an estimate but I'm
going to collect x amount of next year I
mean we should look at this too as a
potential
revenue against the outstanding tickets
>> yeah I mean
>> so I think we can't just leave that zero
we definitely going to get some
>> they're going to be some payments
against the understanding.
>> Yeah, there will be some I don't know.
>> Yeah, I think we just need to make it
feel
which line are you talking
>> but but they just said that they thought
that 400,000 is realistic
which is which is a million out there
600 of it is. So you think if if you
know one sick you get if you get you
know
>> if you get a chart of it
>> right
>> that is that's a little that's a little
» but we so we just have to balance it out
with the expense of right
>> but the expenses already challenge it
>> yes because you know sometime people are
not conscious of a there I got a ticket
on the bus and I think that um get away
with Okay.
>> Yeah, that we may want to consider that
because there's 600 outstanding.
» Yeah.
>> Any other question regarding this?
>> We have any more questions?
>> I was going to ask you all
one more inventory.
>> Mhm.
you never been.
>> Would it be
with regards to the detail and it um pre
would it be unfair to say that um if we
were to say okay 50 details for you that would help and at the same time as
we do that we will have to increase here
to match whatever is collected
but right now we spend $24,000 $25,000
for uh revenue 400,000.
If we were to say let's double it and
set aside $50,000 for the time to kind,
you know, to do to cover those details,
will that be a a big haul?
>> Do we mean that it could be done? Maybe
so never
we're we're we're putting over time
there so the officers aware that we have
no time to cover that. It's not like,
"Okay, we'll go to work.
>> We'll figure out where we
27 so far this year and um I think he
said 42
he did for me for next year."
>> So, I'm right there
later. Yeah.
» I'm think I'm thinking he helping on
this. So I'll I'll you know
>> any other question for
>> So I just wanted to make clear. So if we
increase the um and based on the number
so far we would get how much we take in
to the
>> 220 it will be it would be like40,000
but we'll have to take £50,000.
minus 50.
>> Okay.
>> We taking in revenue, but we have to put
some money there if it ends taking money
and that um topping out the over.
>> So, I'm sorry. Could you just tell me
again the line I was trying that is a 26
fan?
» And so you're thinking
>> Yeah, we'll discuss that when we get
into the third
one.
this like the detailed breakdown on the
scal
that's
trying to clear too much out there
people know that you know
>> it's not like you're not hiding you're
not hiding anything
>> yeah everyone's watch
you know paperwork
any other
thank you both so much
>> thank you thank you for coming back and
Oh,
good guidance.
» Mr. Motor, you want to take a break?
>> Yeah, we can just before we take a
break.
» Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need
that from you. We'll take a break. What
time do you think we are going to try to
have a hard stop this evening?
» What time do you want to go?
>> I just
>> Oh,
>> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but
>> it's
not
just starting to get a little
pushed.
school.
>> Yeah, I think the best thing will be if
council give me an email for whatever
changes do so then I can then put into
an Excel spreadsheet for Friday's
meeting or tomorrow night.
>> There's the reason why I doing a little
>> we should probably um line by line.
No, we line by line we did one of the
recommended um recommended changes that
was subjected to the back and forward
we'll do in the column proposed budget
we'll list it as council proposed
proposal
>> right what we usually do
» so all the proposal that was submitted
to you we have them so insert those into
so they can
>> unless we disagree with some films from
the December second Friday. It is to
discuss it, but we want to see where we
lie.
>> So, what else do we need to do tonight
then
>> if we're
doing that tonight? You're going to have
him go back to his office and give us
that.
>> I'm sorry. I'm not understanding.
>> All council changes will be consolidated
to one.
>> Right.
>> The council mayors.
>> Right. Right. Right. No, no, no, no, no.
First,
let's do it how we used to have them in
the past.
Proposed budget. We insert a column.
We're not doing a separate tree. We
just, you know, listed line, you know,
line by line going down whichever they
propose changes against those line. We
did we're doing the same thing to the
revenue too. We maintain the mayor's
budget as we're going to weed and we're
putting the council
>> council
>> proposal. So we want comparison and okay
with it and then we have a separate
torture may proposal city council
proposal and this is a new total
>> so
>> we will discuss that Friday then we say
you don't you don't like it you like it
and then we'll move forward and then we
talk about it at that point we need to
move forward now because we like the
show papers that's right
>> and we do not have numbers to actually
look at and see where where the actual
changes need
>> so so consolidated
email from for all two years. So we're
not looking at hundreds of emails trying
to put everything together.
>> I mean I mean we have most of the emails
>> but we just have some more basic
discussion here. We're going to have
some more. Okay.
>> It's Michael's.
>> I can cut and paste all the emails.
>> Oh wait, is that
>> No, we can discuss this discussion.
>> So
>> well people in the room so it's really
no negotiation. trying to formalize how
we get the report if
so because we need to we need to look at
numbers and we need to look at um
a lot of people make recommendation
I'm going to make some
I don't you
this thing in order.
>> That's what I
in terms of my revenue. You go through
yours in the meantime and try to see if
we can get u
some traction.
>> So, are we done with the revenue part
yet?
>> No, we're not. We're about to start it.
I am going to start my revenue. I'm
going to make my recommendation.
>> Shut up and set up. I need to make some
post.
» You have to take this out. You have you
have a copy you have a copy of my email
and I'm going to go through the email
that I sent. Everybody has a copy of it.
» This one
s
>> So I'm going to go through this and I'm
going to tell you which one I make a
judgment and which one I'm adding.
>> Okay.
>> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as
is.
It's
>> 10:02. I'm just saying. Okay. Oh, you
>> get the email that everybody has a copy
of this. And then the next one is at um
A 1116. I'm sticking with that.
>> Okay. You're not there yet.
>> So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a
call.
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>> So, you're thinking of reducing?
No, I'm not reducing
» Mr.
Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to
$2 million,000.
That's my recommendation back to the
general fund. Yep.
>> The A116
increase that to 300,000.
The one I had um waiting on the PD
presentation and I just asked the PD
what their estimate is and they're
looking at um 42 details. I asked for
50. I'm sorry. Which one was By the way,
that
>> A2610B?
» I'm sorry. Can you say it again, please?
>> Um, would it be would it be wise for you
to use the email that I sent to you?
>> I'm looking at it. I am looking. I just
want to tell you that because the last
one you just said cannabis.
>> Well, I caught the number there. I'm
just
>> But it's supposed to be you said you
said like like a different number than
what it actually you said the 300k. But
what you really want to do is increase
it to 1 million.
>> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.
>> I just going to put them the 1 million
>> down instead of 300,000
>> cuz she's I'm trying to be effective
here tonight because we're going to push
back and forth like this.
I'm not just trying to understand. I I
think that you said 300,000, but you
wrote 1 million and it's 1 million
>> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1
million.
>> I got I got that. I know what you're
trying to increase to a million
parenthesis. Why am I 300 away from his
sheet? Just use your book here and see
what's there. How much he wants to
increase?
>> So a 116
>> increasing increase to a million dollar
and that's adding $300,000. Okay. A
2610B
my notice was to wait on the PD
recommendation. I'm sorry the
presentation.
>> Yeah.
>> And they're looking next year to have 50
details. They did 27
for 42 details. I asked what would be
50. Currently they $219,000
with time.
>> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000
there. On which on line 26 10 A or B?
>> B.
>> You're adding how much?
>> 400 $440,000.
>> You're adding that. Okay.
>> Adding 440,000 to that line
plus and then adding $50,000 to over
time line.
So I have to do a little bit of note
here.
>> Yeah. So correction here. Which which
over time are you having online?
>> In the very same in the very same um
>> traffic.
>> Is it this is traffic? So over time on
the traffic.
Would that be would that be correct?
» So would it be easier if you like
increased all your revenue and then
where your increases come in the budget?
But
>> I have to do it at the same time.
>> You have to. Okay.
>> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one
here. This is the only one has in and
out.
>> Okay. because we we're potentially
looking at generating more revenue, but
it comes with the cost.
>> So that you know what the line number is
on the overtime?
» So I'm just going to have to look for
it. Police department.
>> We can wait to find it before we move
on.
>> Um let's see. So that was
um 2610m
the parking fun. So I got to go there.
adding 440,000 here
>> to 2610B.
>> Mhm.
>> And then timeline.
>> I'll get it later from the line.
>> Okay.
>> On the traffic.
>> We don't have it yet.
>> I got the 44,000.
So
the floor fire
is that 400 what?
>> 440,000
got the police department starts in
3120. Um
>> thank you guys.
Are you are you saying parking 83320?
>> That would be under parking or that
would be under u
parking fine. I'm assuming it's under
araid
on the matter. Uh would that be under um
field service or would that be under um
>> he said he would be under parking
>> parking?
» Fine. So I would assume he's parking.
>> Yes.
>> Looking for the expense line.
>> I'm looking at the expense line.
>> A3320 parking.
>> Your timeline is 112.
>> What was the number? What was the number
again? Please
>> got it. I got it.
>> 833. It's on page 383320.
» Yep.
>> Um can we confirm?
» So we can always we can always adjust
the numbers.
>> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be
proposing
>> sorry 320
>> 3320112
is the overtime line.
>> Right.
>> I'm just looking for the figure.
>> Yeah. But this might not be the right.
This is like parking like people who
move the meter and things like that.
This detail is more like um patrol,
>> right?
>> This is patrol. That's why I feel sorry.
>> He did say those fines of 900 because
those fines of those 27 details
collected are in the 910,000
lines.
So,
>> so I think this this has to be an A31 22
1112
>> A31
>> 22 1112
>> 312
112
>> A
21 22
>> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.
>> Right. Okay. And right now I'm asking um
for us to add 50,000 there.
Yes,
>> we're adding an expense
>> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.
» You want to go back to uh
B.
So this is um 440 plus
>> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440
>> 440
the following. Thank you.
So let's move to the next line 82668.
I'm asking for us to maintain the same
as 2025 4.5 million into 2026
and that will be an increase of 1.5 mill
>> and you just skipped over the liquid
park. Oh, sorry. Sorry.
>> The new 2610
and
>> yeah, sorry. Let me go back. Initially,
I asked for um
>> Initially I had asked for um
for that to go up to 232,000,
>> but I'm going to ask to increase that to
130,000.
>> It's It's at 170.
>> Yes. No, 170 plus 130.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> The 300. Not the 500k plus not the 500k.
So that mean I would like to bring it to
133
>> 300,000 instead of one one um 170
home sales maintain the same as 2025
million into 2026 and that's an increase
of 1.5.
The next one is 83005
mortgage tax.
I'm ask I'm asking my proposal. This is
my proposal to increase that to 410,000.
» Increase it by 450,000 to 1.4 million.
>> That is correct. It's proposed at 950
450 increase. So what what is it? It's
at um It's at 9:50.
>> That was 950.
>> No, it's 9:50.
>> So, is it 410 or 450?
>> 450.
>> It's just 950. Well, when you get all
the way through the end, although
there's a total.
>> So, 450 plus 950
» and that will bring us to 1.4.
>> Okay.
>> Now, the totals.
>> Yes. is now now handsome. So based on today's um
>> Oh, you got to add
>> conversation. I'm going to add more to
the sheet.
>> Mhm.
>> So a 2610 m
a 2610
>> M. That's bus patrol.
>> Mhm.
>> I am recommending that we add $200,000
away because we have $600,000 of
tickets. I'll just take $600,000. pick a
target which is very conservative.
>> So please tell me that amount again. I
just said
>> 200,000.
>> So you want to add to the bed?
>> Yes.
>> So we're adding 200,000 to this line. We
can go back to the revenue line.
>> So what's that? How much you adding back
to that?
>> 200,000.
>> 200 back to 600k.
>> Yes.
>> But right now it's 400.
>> We got a plus
>> 200. That will bring it that will bring
it to 600K.
>> Mhm.
>> Oh, 2610. Okay.
>> Yes. 2610.
>> And as in
the next one, um, on the snap
600.
>> On the snap,
we're asking to add 200,000 there.
>> Give me your money, please.
>> 1621.
That is a 217.
Oh, the CDBG CDBG 82170.
This is what
>> 2002.
» Yeah, she wanted to keep.
>> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.
>> No, no, no.
>> Alex,
>> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out
of the out of the
>> We didn't even touch your your sub.
>> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know
what you're saying. But what what you're
saying is that she wanted to
>> I understand it's 200,000.
» Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
>> She said there was 2002,000 $55.
>> Yeah, but we're going to just say 200
finish 2,000 is going to go on.
>> Okay.
>> So that's um snap.
>> Yep. codes.
>> Thank you.
>> 217
C.
>> Oh yes, she's 170,000
there.
>> Y
>> So that would be 300 on the table.
>> So that will uh currently it's 100,000.
So we'll plus 100,000 there too. And
that will be 300,000 there on that line.
» Okay.
>> Mhm.
here. So, I just asked this question
while we're doing this. Like in as far
as explanation, there was funds that
were sent from prior years. It's not
like we're dealing with um recent stuff.
She said it had to be spending. So, I
don't want to get us in the position
where like we're let's leave a couple
thousand over there in years that can ex
that can expire.
>> She has to spend the oldest first, which
>> that's exactly what I'm talking about.
>> Right. So, expand.
>> So, you want to put the the first one in
on Snap. Do you want to put 202?
>> I I think we should. We're going to
fine.
>> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay.
>> 2178
>> and code was 206.
>> 206.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.
>> Mhm.
>> 306.
>> Okay. So, that'll be 306
and snap is 202 because there's no fun
here.
>> Right.
>> Now, I wish I had completely then. Are
we good?
>> Yes.
>> Um,
capture.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
>> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my
Did you Did you go over the allowable
tax?
>> Yes, I did. Okay, cool.
>> Drop dropping by 850.
>> But you add 800. bringing that down to 2
million and cannabis increasing that up
to a million.
>> The we have seven for the record. We
have seven. Oh,
>> so I I have I have more information on
that if you want to hear it now.
>> Can So we do have seven that are active.
There are 13 entirely
>> approved but not
>> approved but for whatever reason they're
nonoperational. when they did it
operational, we don't know.
>> Um, and so in 2025,
we had one that opened uh in April and
another one that opened I'm not sure,
but I think that those open in January
and also January 9. So we had we had
three open in 2025.
We had two that opened in the last
quarter of 2024.
Um, so that's four and one, two, and
then one in the third report of 2024.
And then Mr. the one up on Union Street,
he opened way back in 23 and it did so
long.
>> So in terms of capturing the um the
revenue so we're capturing you, we have
two quarters so far, right? So one of
those was not the one that opened in
April.
We didn't have the first quarter. There
was something that they
get the percentage and broken down and
the county sends us uh which goes to the
county that goes to us.
>> So we don't know which candy store.
>> I don't
>> Okay. Well, I on the post you find OCM
site that they did those 411. So, they
would not be included in 44, but the
second they would and all the rest of
them would be included. So, I guess my
question is raising that up to 1
million.
It was 850,000. They took it back down
to 7 million. So, you think it's
reasonable that we can go all the way to
I I just wanted I was going to go back
to home 800 when they brought down.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. Okay.
>> Seven. It's seven stores.
>> It's seven stores, but it's not like the
big that was my seventh story. Most four
of them are already open.
>> Yes.
>> So they that money is accounted for. We
only open three injection.
» Thank you. Got it.
So there seven stories but we're
capturing remnants of four of them for a couple years
>> 800,000 right
>> and then three open
>> three more for 200,000
>> but
they already included some of the
revenue I thought that's why I wanted
the dates so we can kind of get an idea
of like how much we could raise it so I
didn't I don't agree with taking it down
I do think it should go back up but Um,
I guess I'm concerned if it goes another
300,000. We only had one shorter account
for it.
>> Went up.
>> It didn't. They took it down.
>> They took it down. The mayor
get back.
>> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.
My question is it's a million too high.
>> Too much. That's my question because we
only have one store that wasn't
incorporated in that one. Um, we're
paying attention for the situation
awareness. Two other stores locations
were approved by the planning
commission. One on upper upper upper
>> Broadway and then there's one key bank
by the wonder by the uh
>> Oh, yeah.
>> There seems to have been some activity
working on that.
>> Yes, it was.
>> Yes, they're still working. That's
right. 1610 Eastern Parkway is listed as
nonoperational but one. What was the
other one?
>> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it maybe
Wes Placeing
House.
>> It may be going instead of going
Broadway, maybe going to
>> do you know the name of it? Because
so basically
17 Broadway.
>> Okay.
>> Well, but
>> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I
mean I've noticed the decrease on Union
Street of people in line. I hope the
same amount of revenue will come in just
spreading across. Yeah,
>> it's spreading across. I don't think I
don't think there's going to be a
million dollars. Um especially with the
amount of municipalities that now people
go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,
it's in Troy, it's all over. So people
were coming here specifically and I
think those first two years we were able
to capitalize on but I can't see it
going up that much. Let me ask
Massachusetts had it all before before
we even came with another story.
Massachusetts had it.
>> Oh, Massachusetts did.
>> It didn't affect the sale.
>> Can I can I ask a question of our
commissioner? Why then did we when with
the mayor's budget, why did it get
lowered?
>> Did we have more
acts in the first and second quarter
this year? And you know, we met by two
Oh yeah, I got I see it.
>> Gotcha.
>> I just want to again caution that
looking at you know increasing revenue
from the parks.
>> So we don't have these marks coming up
on balance. I mean that's a really low
occurren so we don't want to make the
city right.
>> No that's why I I think we should
increase it back to where it was even in
participation of the store is open. I
I'm I'm cautious though.
>> So can I just ask a question about
process here? Are because so John gave
what his
recommendations are. Are we going to go
to each do each one of his or are we
going to give each one?
>> Okay. Cuz we're talking about
everybody's proposal and documenting it
so that the
>> finance team can have a path forward
because we need to get on numbers and
look at real numbers
>> and not look at these papers. And
>> so just to John, would you consider um
not going to a million on that one
particular?
>> Let's put it there. Okay. Then this is what we're going to talk about
>> on Friday. Okay. We'll talk about it on
Friday.
>> Yes.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. No, definitely. I just uh I just
need two more to complete what I have.
>> Okay.
>> What I have as as note for me the new
deployment we need to add 150,000 for
that line. But that's budget.
>> That's not that one being in general
operating. So that's in the cloud.
Let's let's find
>> I just want to find the right to use
>> and then I also like to add um 40,000
back to the senior the senior program
that's a 1989
499
>> a 1941
>> page 30.
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» Yes.
>> Mhm.
We we need to fund our our senior
programs. I thought we kept one of the
fun over 70 people that just 70 with
bands not the pros at St. John's. I mean
they were
» okay. I I didn't even look at that line
cuz I it wasn't coming out of the budget
>> neutral. So, do we need to document that
we we're the council is making
recommendation for 150,000 um decline.
>> Yes.
>> I know it's we don't want to use a term
that it's in the cloud. We need we need
some documentation to show that this is
council recommendation.
>> Yeah.
>> He's going to give us back a new I'm
asking the commissioner
should we would like to document it
>> that this is this is going and right now
it's zero in the
>> must be on the park. So you could talk
to probably documentation for the
development fund. Um since it's not
going to be listed
um I'm sure she would work with the
council get some language in place.
» You okay with that? Yeah, because
whatever lines that she whatever funding
source she identified she'll just have
to might have to be done by legislation
or no because she said it's already calc
it's already it's already yeah and it's
budget neutral so she can do it she can
do it
>> yeah so yeah
>> so we are not going to touch this
document with that
>> it's not going to be showing the revenue
>> okay great we like know we do like this
>> we love that
>> okay great so I'm not even going to
worry about where is it in this packet
>> y Okay. So, what was next?
>> Okay. That is my revenue.
Um, you say you want to go next to the
revenue. Please proceed. I'm going to
come back and expand it, but I give
everybody an opportunity to build a
little bit.
>> So, I guess with Derek's explanation,
I'm not in favor of decreasing the
allowance for uncollected taxes by any
amount. There are that high importance.
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>> It is. Oh, I'm sorry. 102 A102
can you I know you said it's about
giving us a very simple example um of
how that works by stand what it's in
that for can can you just explain a
little bit further cuz I I'm not in
favor of um lowering that at all
>> or how you account for it or is it just
>> yeah how you account for it where does
it end up what does it work and you know
but I'm just I know why it has to be
Yeah. So
you look at the levity, it's basically
receivable. It shows the total amount,
right? Um we book it, it's usually
booked at year end. Um
for example, for 2026,
um we'll book it in December for
whatever tax lean.
Um and then find out usually around
March of how much uncollected uh tax was
earned. Um so even though you see that
full amount of tax doesn't mean we're
actually paying that limit. uh we we
find out exactly all uncollected taxes
by March and that's why you see that
negative amount of the adopted budget or
proposed budget
>> but my number factor biggest as we as we
increase the the collection
>> both of them can go at the same time
>> one has to go up and one has to go down
>> well not necessarily
stop paying taxes
>> we're budgeting we're budgeting in
excess of $6 million
>> in anticipation of collecting.
>> And we need to drop our uncollected too
in anticipation that we're going to
we're not going to have so much tax.
>> So that's how because we go up one has
to come down. Can't have both on the
same same
but that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not
in favor of decreasing um A10.
>> A 2610 B as in boy.
>> So now we have to come up with a new
problem.
I'll just call the number out.
>> Parking fines. So um
>> so I
>> which one of the parking fines?
>> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Yes,
I I I I'm in favor of raising it
150,000, not the 400,000
>> only because at this point until we get
clarification of how we're going to
collect these uncollected whatever um
just I'm just not comfortable with it. I
know I know I I'm just being a little
bit more cautious because of these
revenues we increase and we already
start off the the 2027 budget in a
deficit if we don't make these revenue
figures. again. I'm just saying um
before you proceed to I just want to
clarify that
>> and I base my number based on the
competition they had over the days.
>> Yes.
>> So the detail that they did for this
year which was you know
>> my overall was 27. They did an internal
analysis by themselves and they looking
at 42.
So
>> based on the 42 day trail that they
planning for next year
>> the revenue is a part of that and that's
all I think number
50
>> that's 218 220 220 that's 240 minus the
50,000 and that's the information I
received from them I didn't add anything
else on top of that is pure this is pure
number based on their
yes they formula
And they didn't they didn't they didn't
factor it out over time but they did
mention that this this detail comes over
time. So if we're drawing revenue we
have to actually expendure
>> and that's only 50,000 because it's 24
to I wrote it out
>> and I wrote it all down as well but I
didn't get the same numbers you did from AC whipple.
>> This this is this is 218 almost 28.
>> I was
over time factor over time.
>> Just let me hear you on this. So, same
thing 218 for 414 vehicles for plus
>> net of that net gain of 130.
>> And this information is from the chief,
>> right?
So net net gain of 130 here and then
they're looking at um
year to date
um another 338 which makes 20
uh just say 270,000.
>> No, you have to take the full revenue,
>> right?
>> You can't factor out the cost. Yes, you
bring in the full revenue and then
>> later in the other part of the budget
we'll put the
>> revenue has to come in as 100% and then
you buy. So you can't you can't do both
in one. Okay.
>> So, you're saying
you're taking a 50 expenditure all the
time. That's what I did here.
>> But the reason with the 440 um and what
they're saying that we're going to get
was we have a net 130 this year and then
if they double that, it' be a net 260.
>> No, I think you're mixing it up. Uh no,
that is
>> 14 vehicles. 24 uh 20 27
>> That is 220,000.
times two double double
>> but minus the I'm just saying the net
gain he said was 130 so I'm just
doubling that for
>> next year which would be 260 so I'm not
so
>> can't be 218,000US
24,000 is not 130
>> he he told us
>> 130 is a separate line is a separate
line
>> 6 months for the 6 months
>> detail
period was 130
64
>> and for the entire year from January to
October 2017 till 218,000
>> and he's saying and he's saying that
we're going to double those details
>> next year
double that revenue and then he takes
the expenditures out over
>> I'm not worried about the expenditures
I'm just worrying about the revenue
>> 218 and 218 is is
>> you really say 219
>> that's 44
what's already on the line is
It's 900.
>> No, this is not even in the budget. They
didn't account for this.
>> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.
>> We have to call. It was included in the
chief said.
» This is something
said it was in the parking fines.
>> That's what he said.
>> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down
what he said. 2610B.
>> Yes. And that's what I wrote here. But
it is already
another 440 minus the thing is
>> yeah just say this was not accounted for
>> well there seems the consensus of people
who thought that he did say that so I
guess
>> my question was direct to him
very clear that it is not
>> so so so this is what we do in this in
the scenario that it's not there Dorin
you have one number in the scenario that
it is there you have another we move on
>> I Understand? Okay.
>> Because you're increasing it next year
as of that
>> doubling it which would be 440 but
there's already 910 on the line. Yes.
Let me see. I think I have this number.
Can we call or is that
just the number?
» So again I'm All right. So that's uh
>> Oh, I thought you were saying so.
>> So you want to increase it by 150. I
want to make sure I get your number
right. I got to I'm going to see what was that?
>> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add
15 comfortable with Mr. Mayor?
I suppose make sure Sam has the detail
and the detail together so that we're
not missing anything. So let's get your
number what you're proposing for the
parking
>> for the parking fine
150 from the 910
>> 150 increase during
>> over the 910 correct
>> we doing anything with the expense line
though for retirement
>> we're not there yet but we will have to
because it will increase the staffing
cost
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>> so busy
» oh and delinquent parking funds
Oh, then that was just that one. Oh, the
bus patrol 2610 is in Nancy. I'm
comfortable with that increase.
>> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase
out there?
>> The bus patrol,
>> right?
>> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600
>> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting
that in.
>> Um, I'm anticipating that.
>> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm
sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as
>> Well, it's new.
>> Okay.
>> NW
>> and you're good with 2.3.
>> Well, yeah. I think that's all right. A
2660a
Oh, I I missed I missed some
>> 66.
>> I missed car's um recommendation. I will
not I I will not I will not go above 3
million. She sat here tonight and said
that that's what she was comfortable
with. A3005
>> Mortgage tax.
>> Uh 30005.
Um only 200,000.
So what's How much is that? Um I only
want it to be 200,000. Oh, increase to
200,000. So 950 plus 200,000
>> is sort of around what Mr. Mur is
saying,
>> right?
>> 950 plus I I don't know. I need a total
>> 950. Sorry, it's very right now.
>> No, this this whole thing is get
the Toro.
>> I know. I'm just trying to write it down
myself, but All right. 950 and 200 is 1
050
or something just
>> I honestly think that um the casino
A3089
I I I really want to increase that
revenue
>> on what
>> I'm thinking 500,000 but
>> I don't know no go ahead put it down
this is this is where we going to start
to flow the number that's why I wanted
to flush it
and see where we're at we we're
>> I mean we have a lot of things going on
in the city um a new hotel coming up
right there
>> um the event center and granted you know
people say they're not going to come to
the event center go to the casino but as
a casino go I agree with you
>> there's more weddings going on there uh
anyway if you don't mind can you give us
the a number for that
>> 3089
and that's revenue
>> H is in Henry H3 0
>> A3089H
» it's right here
>> on this page 12
question about this when I asked you
about that you said that was something
you couldn't touch because it was a
formula
so I think everybody needs to hear that
>> before we try to make
>> that's what we've been told that we
can't touch there's a formula we don't
know Eric that is a formula we don't
have a concrete
Yes, there's a formula on that
>> and that was the question.
>> Sometimes it goes up. It keep going up
every year.
>> But
yeah, so what is what is the basis for
changing? How is it increasing? Because
I I asked you that question. We can
increase
>> more more um
>> visitors
>> more visitors to the casino right now
the our revenue
>> more events, more hotels.
>> So that means our revenue is based on
what they take in. So what is the
formula? That means there's a formula.
So what is it?
>> Cuz that means we're anticipating more
people coming
>> and therefore there's a formula like
instead of having I don't know how many
people go there 50,000 last year we're
going to have 75 something that you can
follow up with us.
>> Yeah. I can see
it's broken up by municipalities.
>> Um
I believe we did
>> and the concessions was that received
the full amount. Yes.
>> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I
just want to make sure that
>> we're basing it on something complete
where we can get there.
>> Is this a time that we can ask a
question of our commissioner? So my
question is listening to everything that
I just heard from my three colleagues.
>> Why then I I'm going to say so where did
we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the
mayor's proposed budget? That was also
based uh via conversations with the
county.
>> Okay.
>> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the
city as well.
>> Okay.
» Yeah. No, I got all that conversation
with that.
>> So no offense to the conversations. Can
we see something in black and white?
>> Okay. Good.
>> Just no character number all the numbers
there as the proposal.
>> Okay. And then we'll follow up and see
where where is this formula or where is
this narrative that's saying that this
is our money.
>> I'm going to be very cautious of the um
CDBG money on A2178
and a back
hold. I got to go back to you only
because I would like to hear from
Commissioner Farm and Mr. deficiency as
see they have anything in effect on
going against
I don't know
>> well I'm thinking if they have the back
in 2020
>> absolutely not so if I may that director
was very clear that this money is not
being brought up this money is available
there it needs to be spent by mid next
year or next year sometime and if it
doesn't we are
>> I have no issues with that the whole
idea was to put all these invoices and
then we have nothing for this.
>> Again, I think that our commissioner
would be able to kind of tell us that if
there's unpaid invoices against that
line from
>> putting it in just like
>> I think in my opinion we got the
information from Miss However, if
there's invoices Mr.
» They would be in the system by
>> we have that report of that open PO
report. Yeah, we had that report that
you gave us the actual stock as process
documents and you get the documents from
>> you gave us a list of open fields and I
didn't see any significant amount there
from um
>> what I'm sensing from miss uh miss ka um
you know presentation
>> is that this 20% aside for salary and
they were supposed to document every you
know every aspect of the work I am
thinking that um it's too much
of a work for the department so they
decide to draw them directly from the
salary line instead of um yes
I would take a recommendation
>> I I haven't
question
>> an explanation of why they haven't used
the money is that what you're saying
>> well
if they have anything they're going to
put forward
>> and the open the P.
>> But can it put this money back so they
wouldn't get this? Can they really be
back that far with that?
>> Well, they can if they put invoices in.
I I don't know.
>> Money for the you know, it's still
available money before it has to be it's
or the spend it against those bas.
» This employee already got paid.
>> Exactly. But this money that was left
because we didn't do our our show.
>> She said she said you talked me into
>> she said she's comfortable but ask the
question.
>> I'm sorry but I I danced at another
place. How much were you talking about
increasing that casino license fee?
>> 500.
>> I'll write it down.
>> No, please. This is this kind of going
back and forth. This is where we we we
need to make
>> you tell me again what the casino line
has been.
>> And I just realized I I'm going to do
the same thing
is on page.
» Well, hold on. She's trying to follow
along. So, she's asking the page number
so she can get so she can understand
what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's what
I'm trying to do is give her the page
number. And I gave her the wrong one.
So, if you give her the page number,
Mr. To call the the A number
>> and then we just jump to the page.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast, but
>> if we're going to have a side
conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,
we're not going to get a new year.
>> Okay.
>> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I
definitely think of finding $40,000
somewhere to put it back in the
>> 1989. Again, like I said, I don't even
see that invaluable. Um
>> 49,
>> you know,
>> 499
>> the um Hibernians, you know, uh I'm sure
we've been there field.
>> Um so, uh you know, the these people go
it's it's they they get a good meal.
They don't have to worry about dinner
for like four three four $5. Uh the rest
is funded through us and through capital
who runs the program outside of the
hyper as well. So I think it's sincerely
important to have something for our
seniors. At least it's a little. It
can't be like huge, but what we'd like
to offer them.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you um will say anything for 2178
and 217?
>> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if
they've already spent baking money out
of
>> the general fund and spent it. But I
just don't understand.
>> And not utilizing the CDJ. They utilize
another other source of funding. That
bothers me. But
>> yeah, yes, she does. And that's why I
feel like
>> is it more like this outside here that
we need to know?
>> Well, she did say I can't keep
>> did all the paperwork
>> and she's not there and no one's doing
the paperwork and it's all got to be
documented way up there responding.
>> It's the person who retired. So
wonderful.
>> So I'm done. Who's next?
>> Like um Miss Patrick, would you like to
go?
>> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm
going to wait till I get my document on
Friday back from Mr.
>> So are we not you're not making no
recommendation.
>> Do you have anything?
>> I'd have to go line by line. So please
>> the uh so the allowance for collecting
taxes you want to keep it the same.
>> Cannabis excess tax. What was that? I
missed that one.
>> I mean the same. No,
the wrong
>> I can find it now.
» You didn't have anything.
>> Cannabis. She didn't say. Dorine didn't
say
>> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I
didn't touch on cannabis.
>> No, you didn't. Mr. Mur said, "Let's put
it at 1 million."
>> Right. Um
John,
>> you're right. Let me see. I I definitely
since uh year to date we're almost
there. So I So I guess I'd like to add
$100,000 at the end of this. I don't
think anymore.
>> So DD800,000
>> A116.
>> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.
I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.
I don't know how we're going to make a
word for it.
» Are you Mr.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. Miss Patrick,
>> I I need to be last because I don't I
want to hear what everybody else is
saying. So, Miss Borterfield would be
next, right?
>> We go around the table.
>> Going in order.
>> Are you ready?
>> I call on you to to make any
recommendation that you have.
>> I'm not ready to do that.
>> She's not ready. M is ready.
Yes, I am.
» I'm not
submit.
>> Thank you.
» You have it actually.
>> I know you got it. I got it. I got it.
>> Looks like Well, I can give you mine if
you want.
>> Okay. Okay. Focus.
>> So, she's starting again.
» Okay. There we go. I got it.
>> 1116.
So, I wanted to line 1116. I should have
the lines in my email. Um, the cannabis
line, I wanted to increase that by
100,000
based on that the opening of new sites
in 2025. However, now that Mr. Um,
Mr. O'Brien had said that we have two
more that were approved.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, I'm willing to go up to another
50,000 on that. So, so to increase that
by 150,000 line 11.
>> Yep.
>> Cuz now we have two new stores open. All
right. Um, this I apologize when Miss
Carver was here that I didn't I should
have had me. Um she explained to me and
Mr. Blueberry, could you tell us what
the demolition line is for for um it's a
contingency
>> right? Um
don't know the option but it's under
contingency.
>> All right.
>> So the 400,000
is under that.
>> I'm looking.
>> Yes. It just see 400,000.
>> Right.
So what Miss Par said and you can
definitely double back there on this but
we were having a conversation and she
said there is CBG money that is allowed
for for um intended excuse me for
demolition
>> demolition I think she talked about that
>> right so would you be offsetting
that number by what's available in the
city did you and I
didn't ask you that question we did you
know what that number is and how
different
>> use the CPP money that is
>> Can we have that as a question please?
>> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in
past years um history wise um it's not
only demolition
that come up the city is un unforeseen
unaware of and
>> so that's why
so far the last couple years haven't
come depending on
what happened
>> so what I we should look at is how much
we've used the demolition how much it's
available and reduce the line by that
because when I know we were discussing
that line it was very clear demolition
part
otherwise we should get it and I I guess
I can text her but she might not want to
hear from us
>> no we'll follow up with a question
can you please make it exciting
>> it would be it would be good if we knew
the number we do it's like
Mr. Williams put it on to reduce
>> 1989 485
page 30
>> page 30
>> right and here right now we did talk
about this is 28251
so
we have to spend
» we might 1989485
» so what do you want that to be
>> so I I want to Oh, Marian, I'm sorry.
Yes.
>> I wanted to know how much
we have spent. Well, I know how much we
spent. What I want to know is how much
was essentially for demolitions use out
of this. How much is available through
CDBG?
>> I'm sorry.
>> No, sorry. Go finish.
>> And how much is available through CDBG?
And we could do reduce that line. Maybe
not exactly the amount, but some level
of that because if there's money that we
could spend through CDBG,
which and and take it out of there, we
want to have it here. So
>> yeah, before before you proceed, I
tutorial has a
>> I did I did have that,000
>> increase it or decrease that same line.
>> Yes.
>> Oh yeah. Okay. I have 385
1989 485
» 300,000.
>> It's on page um 30.
>> Sorry. So that is recommendation. Okay.
Thank you. So I may depending on what MA
has to say my blood might be decrease
by
>> 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorian.
>> Yes. So be back 100,000
>> lower by 100,000. So your so for me I
would have to see how much
available for us to be able to do that
and maybe get those email.
>> So there's a question I'm going to be
email
>> right I need to go over what other
people said. Um but I did want to um
>> well I write here but I wanted to add
back oh no that's we're not doing this
we're not doing that yet. I want to use
the maximum fun B fund balance allow to
minimize tax increases including I
understand the contracts that may be
outstanding. So I'd like to know what
that number would be.
>> That's exact
million minus 2 million bucks. So it's
4.1
>> right
>> and all that.
>> I didn't say all of it. I said the max.
So you say so
>> the council one used all of that they
could have
>> I didn't ask that I asked what it says is the maximum when I say
maximum fund available okay expand on
that that doesn't um that we have to
have like you said 15% so get us to the
15 what's that number
>> well 15% of the general bridge by your
number
>> so I I would like the number and and
then you could um subtract out you said
uh for the 300,000 for one contract
>> and 600 for one and two
>> but we should that isn't that an
executive session kind of thing because
they're still negotiating those
contracts. Yeah, but we're just going
» so I think it's
>> 15% of the operating 126 would be 18
million
» all on we need 18 million sign
>> that's just 15% of it
>> and all on
>> we have to have 15 million. So when's
the last time we had that?
We had 12 million last year until we
stated.
>> So when's the last time we made 18? I
mean in one year I'll just in in 2011
the mayor said he had to be 77 75,000
and he was okay with it. So let's ask
him if he's okay with it again next
year.
That so it has to all be on the sign not
50% general. Mhm. I think I gave you a
packet from
>> uh uh OSC
>> um said there's example of 15%
>> right and there's also an example there
that says that um two months of
expenditure is also what you can base it
on since we don't have our own dollar so
there's more than one um
>> I think the lowest 5%
» and as old as high as over 15% starting
to fluctuate.
>> Well, I think we're going to have to use
more of our fund down. So, I'd like to
see us be able to use what we can to to
get this through place. We're not first
of all seeing our tax and also as
that's and I think everything else that
I had um Oh, I did the cannabis right
with Mr.
>> Yes, you did. You said that increase the
cannabis line by 100,000
something
>> 15.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh 150.
>> That's that's recommendation.
>> Um after Mr. O'Brien
>> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15.
And um so that
>> uh
um
so I think that's it for my for the um
>> revenue
>> the revenue side
>> side
you have any
expenditure you want to touch on
do you have a number
over the 29 that you're looking to
utilize?
>> No, I don't have the number. I want to
know I want something to you what is the
number that we um
we can use as you say have 18 million um
that's
» 15 would be above
but we don't have so that's what I'm
saying we don't have policy right we
don't have a written fun because it's
just one.
>> Okay.
>> All right. So, we're kind of like I
wasn't saying yes into
um
I would like us not be able to increase
tax 17%. So, I'm I don't I know that
I don't know.
» What did you say? What did you say?
>> Someone question. That's right.
>> So, and and some of this for me is going
to be based on how much we can recapture
here with all the different um revenue
changes that we're going to be doing.
Then how much we will need out of the
funding. So, I would like to use the
maximum
we have to put these two things
together. Are you following me so far?
>> So, we have to put these two things
together. How much we can increase our
revenue, which has been some pretty
significant I think. Um, and then use
our fund balance to make up for that.
So, not enough. That is my goal. Let's
just let everybody know that is my goal.
Not to exceed the tax cap and to also
not have a 17% tax increase. I don't
want to say a percentage right now. I'd
like it to be zero. Don't think don't.
So, I'd like to know if you look at what
number would be comfortable with
» 2 million.
>> What? What's already the 2 million
that's already in this budget is what
you're comfortable with. That's what
2 million is all we should spend.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
» We don't have a lot left.
» So right now
two
>> No. No. There's 60.1 we're utilizing
there be 4.1 available depending on
contracts that might be drastically
changed
>> but let's say okay number
>> it's
no
>> plus three plus the one
>> that's already in there
so uh can you put that in the notes also
Mhm.
>> Yes.
>> Um plus $1 million million
recommendation
>> which brings us sort of I know we can't
calculate it because of the contract 2
million that would leave us
>> 3.1
>> 3.1us
contracts.
>> So say two
>> oh right
>> maybe less
» do you have any more
I'll move to um let's see
>> Mr. party and then uh
>> so just to just finish up on this
conversation we are g we always email
that building
so
just to finish up on the conversation in
terms of the fun hanging out there is my
intent is that we would do that but we
would be looking at getting our pilots
so that we can start
getting to um and we have two one
expiring next year two expiring the
following year so that we could start um
building up on
» Thank you. So So yeah, thank you on this
letter that he did send to us. I think
it's appropriate that that I read it. Um
and I do want to make a note that the
one expiring next year for uh State
Street, what's the address there?
>> Don't know. Uh let's mention that.
>> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll
just give you the date. Yes.
» Um well the next the winning 228 26 um
that came off with time already
going off the block. It came on it
already came off this year.
Then why would it like it's going to
come off?
>> I know it it's already come off.
>> Well wait and how would you know that?
Um I suppose uh after received this
email and all these um pilot um things
from uh Mr. Gillan this morning, which
was the first time that I've got to see
them, um I did reach out to um our
assessor and um uh
receiver receiver foxes to go over um
the files exactly how they how they
work. Each one is is so different. Each
one is individual. Um some years, uh you
know, sometimes they start out with no
taxes and then after three years they
start paying taxes and they up the most
of them have to increase 5% until they
um until they're at full rate. So let me
start because I see what this is going.
I started talking about why
I started talking about a there was an
email sent which we all received and I
followed up. I made it clear when we
started this budget prospect that I'm
not trying to get piloted to to um it's
not for this year's budget but moving
forward. So there's an implication that
there's information that you're not
receiving. I made it clear that I've
been talking about pilot. I've been
talking to I've been talking to to um to
the assessor's office about it. And so
until I'm ready to proceed where your
plan is at plans, I don't feel like I
need to like put give it out there. You
have it now. That's fine because only
because people asked for. So this is
something that I've been working on
until we came to a final thing and
waiting for the other information from
Miss Maloy, we would have gotten it.
We're here now because it was asked that
Minister um Gillan come. He couldn't
come and this this information came
forward. So just to be clear about all
of that in terms of me not having it
somebody not having it again. How many
times have I sat at this table and said
I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for
information about pilots. So this
doesn't impact this current budget. It
impacts going forward in my mind and
that's what I was working on and looking
towards. So I just want to make that
abundantly clear.
>> All right. thinking that absolutely
clear. Um but after last night's
conversation um I thought that maybe
there was one pilot that might that's
clear but it's already about stuff. Mr.
Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him
an explanation. Uh good morning. I have
a metroplex board meeting this evening
at 5:30 p.m. So I stand on the pen
council meeting this evening. We sent
the council a report on highlights on
August 4th. We sent an updated report on
9:24 to council president Porterfield
and offered at that time to discuss any
agreements. I have had no responses from
any council member to either pilot
report. Please note that the pilot
report shows that 25 pilots put
properties back on the tax roles that
previously were taxexempt and paid zero
in taxes. Please note that an additional
27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or
sites that paid nominal taxes to
generate new revenue. One council member
at your meeting mistakenly said that the
county attorney is involved in these
agreements. That is not the case. There
is a formal process that governs the
adoption of any pilot, including a
public hearing, public notice, and
approval at our meetings which are
televised and are all open to the
public. I would be happy to attend any
future meetings and review any questions
you have. These agreements have been
powerful new revenue generators for the
city and we are very proud of our role
in dramatically improving the city and
its tax base. Many other metrop projects
like the casino do not involve pilots
yet generate millions in revenue for the
city. When I sent the information back
in August, I was hoping that I might
receive some feedback, but have received
none to date. I am always willing to
available to discuss any questions. red.
Um, and in in response to that and
speaking with our assessor today, um, I
did find out that a lot of these pilots
on here, especially certain kind of uh,
pilots given since I can't mention them,
um, are looking for money and the money
uh, the city can't help these individual
businesses
um because of a rule called 85B and a
little bit business law. So anyway,
that's why Metroplex steps into a lot of these properties that have a
pilot to help out the city to increase
tax revenue, housing, and everything
else. So I just thought that that we
needed to at least respond to what we
all sat here last night and talked about
um the pilot. and and there's more and
so furthermore I and I think I also
mentioned I was in touch with Miss Maloy
and she was developing a report and she
said it was going to take a while and I
you know so I was and I talked to Mr.
Holden Campam since we want to discuss
all of this um I talked to Mr. Holden
Camp and asked about you know getting
the actual
um agreements
>> and she said
and he said you get that from from Mort.
So I asked for it. she told me it's
going to take some time to put together.
So I'm like going to give like half
information like okay or you know and
not have all the information for me say
it again. I was working on this and
didn't say it and maybe nobody was
listening in terms of pilots because we
need to take a look at that and um if
there's another report that I'm
receiving that there's something called
residential pilots. So, I'm not going to
like get deep into it, but there are
pilots where people are paying um based
on the particular um development that
the person who moves into it, and I
guess they're buying them in these
particular ones, that lowers their
taxes. So, I need to get some clarity on
how that works as well. And if you want
to ask them how feel about that, you
can. But there there are people who own
or buy these condos that are being
built. And so the pilot passes on to
individuals like where you were out that
so I would have to say maybe there's no
businesses that get it but there are
some residential pilots. I'm trying to
get clarity on how that works.
>> Thank you.
» Okay.
M can go through your recommendation
relatively brief.
Okay. So first line is state one 02
uncollected packets. Um I'm aligned with
Mr. Varian suggestion um reducing that
850. You said 800,000 right? But I said
850.
>> Oh you said 852
million.
>> That's fine. We're close.
>> He wanted to go to 2 million.
>> Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million which
would uh that would show back up in our
general fund. Okay. Uh,
>> I'm sorry.
>> Sure. Uh, A1 Z3.
» Oh,
so it's just that one's complicated
because it's like a reduction. Okay.
Next line. Uh, A16,
that's the cannabis tax. Um, based on
the conversation here, um, I would, uh,
feel comfortable, uh, adding 115,000 to
that.
Um,
» you know what? I'm sorry, but you said,
well, you you've said 2 million for the
first one that you were talking about,
right? I'm sorry. I'm losing track here.
>> It's okay.
>> For a 102, you're saying
>> that we should we should reduce that
numberion
>> to 2 million.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Be a net or be a gain of 850,000.
» Okay. Mhm.
>> Okay. Moving on to cannabis, which is
A16.
» I feel comfortable increasing that based
on the conversations here tonight. I I
feel comfortable basing raising that
$150,000
50.
>> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the
fines parking. Um and so after the
presentation
um I now there's there's a caveat there
because I think we need to understand I
need to be clear on if
um then that is already included in the
existing budget or not. Um, and if it is
not, then I then I $440,000
based on the formula that's that's
strictly based on the formula um that uh
the chief uh talked to us about today.
>> Um and if not, then I would be uh
looking to increase that 220,000.
>> May I before you proceed?
>> Mhm. If you look at the 2025
estimates on the 286 26
times parking
2025,
>> what page are you on? Just cuz I was
going to be
>> page 11. Okay.
>> Oh,
>> page 11.
>> Oh, our regular budget.
>> 2025. We're carrying 910.
They roll the same number into 2026
because they did not factor in the new
program that they're doing.
This is a new program they just started.
>> Okay. So, so
>> that's what my understanding is. So,
>> sure. So, in 910 they expect to do the
same 2025
910 into 2026. But because of this new
program, it's increasing the revenue.
>> Sure. So, so
if you look at you look at two 2025 and
20. It's absolutely
>> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.
>> So I guess my only question then is they gave us
see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based
on the formula that you gave us that you
that you've given as well. But they and
they told us that that that
um that that is what created this
program that they're doing gave us the
220,000 to begin with. So if that's the
case, then I would number I would wonder
how where they would get that
information from. You see what I'm
saying? So in other words, they're
saying that it's 910 910. But if they
didn't include it,
then they were just telling us numbers
that only they know is what you're
saying.
>> That's correct. That's what she is.
>> Okay.
>> They have an internal proposal. This is
what they intend to certainly to
increase to increase revenue.
>> Sure. So for my numbers, I would I would
agree and based on the formula cuz
that's the number I got to up to
$440,000
in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in
half. So you think can just repeat me.
So you're saying
>> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that
what you're saying?
>> That's what you want to know.
>> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be
really clear as to
if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.
They're saying that this many um uh
sessions equal $220,000.
Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,
that's correct, but that's not reflected
in in in this existing budget. So, and
he said, "So, let's double it, which
would be
>> which would be 440." However, if it is
included, then I would say if we double
it, then it would only then it would uh
go to 220s, not to 440. open. So my
contingency is if it's if it's there, if
it's included and we double it, then add
220,000. If it's not included and we
double it, then add 440,000.
>> So do you
has a different there's been
>> I can send an email to the chief. Okay.
>> And clarify and go from there. The
simplest.
>> Yeah. So I just thought the easiest way
to do it would just give my numbers in
both case
>> scenario. I think you're ready.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. And so then I'll go um I'm just
going to go where I'm different at now.
Uh for our CBDG money. So my
understanding is 200 200k. That's line
A1621
is where we'll be adding that money. So
when I say adding, we would be adding
this money to that line. Meaning that
the money that's in the existing line
now would go back to our general fund
for 200,000.
>> Okay. Are you saying are you
recognizing? Are you
>> That sounds like an expense, right?
>> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be
clear, um I'm talking about what Miss
Barbara presented with us.
>> She presented us with uh 200 I believe
it was $2,000 in one case,
>> huh?
>> The $200,000.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then the maximum was
$26,000
if I'm correct.
>> They were both 200 and 200.
>> They both one was two
>> 20.
So So you give me your really damn
>> first 180 to 2178 uh was 22,000.
>> Mhm.
>> And the second 180 217 was 26,000.
>> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So
>> Okay. Sure. So, so what I'm s So, I'm
suggesting that so that would be I can't
just we can't just add that to to
revenue in order for us to access that
fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000
into line A1621
and then the money that's existing in
that would go back to our our general
thous.
It's not A16, but I think it would have
to
you have to put it into an extent.
» Uh, Mr. Carter.
>> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the
math cuz she said it had to be in this
department in order for accesses, but
that's more operational stuff. So, so I
would just add those to the line.
>> You just add it to those 21.
>> Yeah. So, so I would increase the
revenue lines about 202,000. one case
and 206,000
and nothing. Right.
>> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.
>> Mhm.
>> And 2170C, I think you're saying
>> 206. That's correct.
>> Okay. I just want to write that in my
paper.
» Going to move on to the next one.
>> Yeah, please.
>> Okay.
>> Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a
little bit. All right.
Are you with the mic for us?
>> I just I just
I'm just using mine to be able to do.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not
>> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done,
y'all.
>> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line
A3089H
the casino.
>> Um
>> Okay.
[Music]
I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.
Turo and increasing that line. Um she
had it at 500.
Is you had that 500, right? I'm just
saying two. I'm saying 200.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Please tell me the line again. I'm
sorry.
>> No, no, no. It's all right. It is
83089H.
Right. Did I say that right?
>> 3089
89. Okay. You're saying what? And I'm
saying increase that by 200,000.
I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I
can't quite get there.
>> I I know. I know. I'm hopeful.
>> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm
going to go to uh the sales of houses.
That is line A2660A.
» Please.
>> Okay. I'm I want to make sure
everybody's there, man. All right.
We spend more time doing it and usually
that just pops out of Oh, 2660.
>> Yes. Okay, got we're there. So, I'm I
feel comfortable increasing that line.
$500,000.
» So, okay.
>> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.
>> $500,000.
Correct.
for our
mortgage tax increase.
I I So this is I have a question mark
here
>> because I I want to get uh Mr. Müer,
could you just give me a little bit your
reasoning on that again?
>> Okay. The
is based on the trend that's happening
in connectivity. We have seen we have
house the house price escalated over the
last few years. that the sale price is
far higher than three years ago.
>> Absolutely.
>> So the mortgage is more higher.
>> So in that case the municipality will
generate more um revenue mortgage tax
revenue.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's how I'm factoring that.
>> Sure.
>> So as the house price keep rising the
mortgage keep going up the taxes keep
going up for us.
>> That's yeah that's what we discussed.
Yes.
>> Okay. And I was and now was the two
properties that are um
wrapping up soon the two high value
properties was that
>> that wasn't attribute to that.
>> That was correct. We talk about that
situation,
>> right? But we sure yes
because of why my number went up that
high.
>> Oh no, I know why.
>> Uh the mayor looking at okay we have two
big projects you know happen.
>> Mhm. where that sort of is going to
happen this year. Those two more likely
will roll over into next year
>> and we're looking for high numbers
there. So you have 3 million and they
hope they're saying that okay it's going
to happen this year is what might not
happen. So that money needs to roll over
into next year. So that's all back to
1.5 million.
>> Yes. So it's going to happen next year
>> and that based on
>> we only have two months more
>> connected. I thought you said 1.4
million but you're saying 1.5 million.
>> Yes. 1.5 million. I see.
>> So, so for that line, I just wanted to
make sure that that um so for that line
based on what uh Miss Carver was saying
and and you know, I figured those two
property sales going through can uh make
a huge difference, but being that we're
not exactly sure where they were fall, I
just felt a little I went a little more
conservative at 500,000 on that one.
>> So, so instead of 950,
>> yeah, I just wanted to reference that.
>> So, no, that I did something confusing.
That's fine. Go back to your mobile.
>> Okay. So, so more so, so yeah. So, uh,
so for a mortgage tax, um, I felt
comfortable increasing that $200,000.
>> So, that would be, uh, 1
>> A30005.
Yes. $200,000.
So, that would be 1.2.
>> Mhm.
All right.
And oh, bus patrol.
Let make sure I got that line right.
>> That's that's A2610B,
right?
>> And like and like Nancy. Okay. Party.
Yeah. So,
being that there's uh $600,000
out there, I was I felt comfortable um
in saying agreeing like if we could
collect a third of that, I'm pretty
confident that just a third of that
would get us to $200,000. So, that's
where I was at on that line.
Increased of $200,000 that 600 bas just
being successful collecting a third of
that.
You're very conservative, huh?
>> You're very conservative. What the hell?
Really?
I say you have more than
I say you were. All right. And um so and
the last thing uh as far as
our golf, listen, I was faster than all
of y'all, by the way. Just so you know,
I'm like going record time.
So,
>> okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All
right. All right. So, so uh the
so our golf our golf reserve which is
CR9950
for the golf reserve there. Could you
help me understand that again? because I
want to make sure that I'm understanding
that because what I see is I was
suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into
the the capital fund but for the golf
course particularly that's how I
understand that
>> I'm looking at revenue I believe
» if you're looking at the transfer from
there have to some increase the fund
which would refund one of the revenue
lines which they usually um bring the
capital on that and Chris in January. So
we have to figure out what is $150,000
increase and you go to your expense line
of transfers see the transfer the
general fund by 150.
>> Mhm. So, yeah, cuz cuz right now it
says, let me see here. Where are we?
>> Let me make sure I'm in the right place
here.
>> Trying to find it.
>> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.
So, it's
>> that that's
it doesn't
transfers from golf.
>> Right. So, if you look at the bottom of page 90,
>> right, where it says I'm looking at
>> transfer to capital fund.
>> Mhm.
>> So, in 2023, it was 213,000.
>> It would be it would be the uh general
fund looking for youth.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Youth is covered.
You're maybe
it's CR990191
trans.
» Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So, listen.
So, let me follow my train of thought
for a second. So, what I'm saying is
that
on line CR9950498
that says transfer to capital fund. Now
when it when we say transfer to capital
fund that's transferred to the golf
course capital fund correct or is that
the city
>> that goes into the office that's the
reserves
>> the reserves for the
>> for the golf course
» it's not just for the golf course it's
just for the golf course
>> right it's just for the golf course
>> you can't use we can't use capital money
for youth
>> no no no guess we no no you're not
saying so no no what this how I
understand it that there is a reserve
fund or a a capital fund. So in other
words, a portion of revenues that the
golf course makes,
>> they take that money and put it into a
line for their only their specific
capital fun.
>> So So we can access that money.
>> Sure.
>> The reason why we can't use other
capital fund money is because we borrow
that money to do capital projects. This
is money that's coming into the city
that is earmarked for the golf courses
capital fund.
>> So what capital fund would you use with
that money?
>> So what I'm suggesting is that if we if
we look at it in two in in 2023 it was
213,000
2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying
that 150,000 that I think that that's a
fair
>> but it's capital.
>> No you're No, you're No, you're not.
You're wrong. I guess that's your
question.
>> No, you're No, you're it's not.
>> I hear you. It's general fund money
because it's capital fun. It doesn't
become until they spend it on their own.
>> It's not. So what you're doing,
please let me finish. Let it please. So I So I think the fact that Mayor I
think the fact that it says transfer to
capital fund is kind of what might be
throwing you off.
>> It's not throwing me off at all because
I see the transfer to the general fund.
>> Exactly. That's from the Gulf. Right.
That's okay. All right. So, all right.
So, is it? Yes, it is. So, so listen to
what I'm saying. I'm going to use a
hypothetical number here just so the
math is a lot easier. Okay. Say the the
say that the golf course makes $200,000
in revenue.
$100,000 of that revenue goes into our
general fund is what is is the line
you're talking about. Mhm.
>> Then the golf course takes another the
other $100,000 and transfers that into
their own capital fund.
>> Mhm.
>> Which actually could be money that goes
into the general fund.
>> This is not Are you see what I'm saying
now?
>> Yeah. That's what's happened, right?
So I have I have a question for the
commissioner because
>> historically the c the god fund has
always been for lack of a better term a
lock box. It goes way back because of
improvements that needed to be done that
weren't done and they wanted to create a
dedicated funding stream so
>> so any you know the fees of the golf
course would be generated to deal with
golf course improvements and
maintenance.
>> Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is the
golf fund transferring money to the
general fund?
>> And every year, every year there's a
certain amount that we transfer over to
the golf the general to the water. Um,
it's in the budget.
>> Yeah.
A certain amount of capital fund money
so we don't end up borrowing for capital
projects that
we earark a certain amount. So we don't
suggest dipping into that.
>> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the
restrictions when we when we're talking
about capital money in any other place
in this budget, those are funds that we
cannot that we have very tight
restrictions that we have,
right? That's law.
This capital money is only capital money
because we're calling it capital money,
but it really could go into the general
fund.
right or wrong. Can I ask a question
because my understanding has always been
for all the years that I've been on
doing this that is what we're doing on page
90
knows more about this than I think
anyone
just
>> I just have one question that's all
>> I just want to ask this one question
because I thought if you look at page 90
>> I am
>> I thought that the transfer to the
general fund, the transfer to the water
fund and the transfer to the sewer fund
is coming from golf fund.
>> It is.
>> Yeah. So we already are taking the golf
money and putting it into those free
funds. And if you look also we're not
taking any money and putting it into a
capital fund for this year. Go ahead.
>> No, it just because we don't know we are
going to take money put into a capital
fund.
>> No, because we don't have the funds.
just don't have the money. We don't have
the final figures
of surplus,
>> right?
>> That's right.
That's why you see the budget amount of
both adopted for 2021.
>> Correct.
>> Commissioner the transfers to water and
sewer funds because the facility uses
water and sewer. Correct. So therefore,
it's representing the pay as you go the
docks. Right. So that's to come you're
getting those transfers not just for
bookkeeping purposes. It's it's
representing the use. Correct.
>> So the capital fund transfer is the
money that will be used for capital
projects
at at the golf course.
>> Yes.
>> So that is that money has been generated
from the fees of of golfers.
>> Right.
>> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping
with the lock box mentality by the very
fact that we have a separate line items
for the golf
>> has to be kept separate. Is that is that
>> no
from my understanding years past that's
how it's always been done?
>> I'm not asking how it's always been
done. I'm asking is that do we are we
legally obligated to do it that way?
>> I you know I'm just have to I would have
to I can't even answer right now. I have
to look at
>> He wants to Yeah. So, I'm going to have
to take a look. You know, it's the
gospel and and what created it was very
it's in our code. I think the
commissioner got I don't know but the
idea is it was a lock box for capital
improvements because it was under the golf course was going in a certain
negative direction and that that was way
the council at the time wanted to go to
create a fund for separate from the
general fund. So can I ask one more
question you're trying to get is there a
reason that you wouldn't look at the
transfer to the general fund for that
money
>> because the transfer to the general fund
that money was already in the general
fund
>> he's looking for more money
>> so in other words of course I
>> no no I know
>> we all are right we just do that or am I
missing something we all said move take
but right so that's what I'm doing
>> and then have the golf course borrow the
capital instead of funding their own if
no I understand what you're saying or
that's what you're getting at or maybe
76,000 more
>> or maybe we just recognize that we just
invested $3 million of ARPA fund into
the golf course just last year and
recognizing that we put three $3 million
into the golf course fund that there is
no lockbox fund we're calling this
capital funds but these but these funds
are not under the same restrictions that
other capital funds are because we're
borrowing capital funds for capital
projects. This is city revenue that that
we're holding aside for capital projects
uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm
saying that we just put $3 million in
the golf course and this is not the year
to be doing that.
>> Mr. I think I think
>> I think the description needs to be
changed because that is revenue that is
coming in from the golf course.
>> Thank you.
>> And they're trying to hold that money.
The surplus is being used to help with
projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's
revenue.
>> Exactly.
>> Like back out expenditure surplus. They
hold it in there for future project.
That is not capital. It should be
capital.
>> It's for capital project, but it's not
capital money. Exactly.
>> So let's So that description should be
changed. Well, they they they've been
using it per capital. What I'm saying,
the same way that Mr. Williams is
suggesting that we're not borrowing all
of this money for capital projects in
other places because that's going to
impact the city. What I'm saying is that
this is a fund that has been called
something and operating something other
than what I believe it is to Mr. Moods,
but I'm saying that this is money that's
accessible to us. We And being that I
don't think that that's a tall order. We
just It is. Absolutely. It is.
>> But we're not going to use it. We're not
touching it.
>> Well, I think we should.
>> I just And you got to stay away from
giving them 3 million because we handed
out a lot of ARPA money.
>> But no, I'm going to talk about that
back from people.
>> Of course we are. The whole point of us
investing into the golf golf course.
>> Well, to increase revenue
so we could Right. So when we need
>> back into the
>> So are we are we are we not going to
compliment each other?
>> No. No. Go. So raise my hand.
>> Please please hold on. Finish off your presentation. Please.
You finished?
>> I'm done.
>> No, but you
>> I can I just add something to your
presentation?
>> Sure. I'm
>> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,
he was and we were he was talking about
different ways. He came up with a
scenario where they would do an event
bank or something to raise that extra
money and charge people whatever is a
whole
>> organ sponsor
and have that money definitely dedicated
to the service program. So I just want
to just bring that back to the
conversation because there was he did
introduce a possibility of a way to get
done what you're trying to get done
which is I guess another 150 right.
>> No I'm not. No I'm not. What's I'm
trying to what I'm trying to increase
revenues. What I'm saying is that we
found the money for the youth program.
We still have to find money well for
multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the
general fund can support the senior
program and the rest of the money can go
back into the general fund to support
other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we
did invest $3 million into the into the
golf course is because it's supposed to
generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that
is all is being earmarked for things and
it's acting like it's restricted in this
lock box. But there is no lock box for
this money. This is city money and we
should have access to it and put it into
our budget as we see fit. It is not
guaranteed though. That's why it's on
>> my my number of account.
>> Sure. My my number 150,000 is based on
the last two years of reporting where
one was 213 213,000 and then last year
it was 160,000. So that's how I justify
my 150,000.
>> What what Navy is doing over the year is
the surplus. They hold on to the surplus
to help with their project within the
golf course. So it's more of money there
to kind of like carry them on into doing
different projects.
>> But um
>> I know what they
>> it's uh it can be used for any other
purpose.
>> Right. And that's what I'm saying is
saying
>> and what I'm saying
>> and I'm saying being that we correct
being that we just invested $3 million
in that into that golf course $150,000
coming back into city revenue should not
be a problem. All right. I'm done.
>> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.
The reason we put $3 million into the
golf course was because
the golf course is one of the true
revenue drivers. It makes money. Every
year we increase the fees that we charge
to people who come and use the golf
course. And I also want to always say
I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf
course, but I am chair of Elmer.
So, I do look at all the parks and the
golf course in my work as a city council
person. So, what I've learned over the
years, it is a revenue driver. If I just
want to remind you, if we didn't put
that revenue back into the golf course,
we would have to find that we would have
to find money to pay the expenses for
all the maintenance and improvements to
the golf course every year. So, the golf
course is selfgenerating.
what it then uses to maintain its golf
course. Our golf course is widely
recognized throughout the Capitol region
from people who are members of like
private clubs where they play a zillion
dollars to be in these private clubs as
one of the jewels of the city of
Skenctity where we're we're recognized
because of things like Central Park and
how fabulous all the options at Central
Park are, how fabulous our golf course
is. So, I would argue against using golf
money for anything but the continued
maintenance and improvements of the golf
course and the $3 million in ARPA
funding that we used. I just want to
remind everybody that for years we've
had a manual system where they literally
had to go around and turn spiggots in
order to irrigate the golf course. when
the $3 million paid for a
state-of-the-art irrigation system that
now like many things in our lives can be
controlled even by a phone um to
irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd
have staffing, you'd have all sorts of
other things that you would have to do
in order to maintain the pristine nature
of the golf course for which we also
charge residents and non-residents to
play golf. Um so I would not touch and
we already use
money for other unless I'm reading this
wrong or have been reading it wrong for
five and a half years. Um, we use money
from the golf course into other funds.
>> Yeah, but you are reading wrong because
we use money for other other funds.
>> Because we using water, right? So,
>> as Mr. Canow one to talk, please.
>> Yes, I was finishing my
>> I thought she was responding to me, so I
was responding to her. Mr. is English
before before you um cooperation
council. Let me let me go back into the golf and you're saying that um
the golf course is generating revenue.
The golf board is generating enough
revenue to sustain themselves.
>> I said
>> they're not generating revenue to bring
into the general fund.
>> I I think I said that. No. Let me
clarify self- sustaining.
>> So they are not they are not a what
we're trying to say. Okay, we generate
millions of dollars in revenue and we're
putting it in the DMR fund. They are
generating enough money to keep them
afloat.
>> Yes. I was wrong with my last.
>> So I Yes. So I want to clarify that
because if you look at the revenue here,
there's nothing else coming into the
general fund to say that we make 2002
200,000 $300,000 and we're putting that
into general fund and then we can say oh
there's a surplus and there goes fund
take this $250,000.
This course is sustaining itself based
on expenditure and revenue. whatever
surplus they rece get every year remain
to that department to help them with
projects. So they they break they break
even on this project on this golf
course,
>> right?
>> So there's no excessive revenue. So when
we use the term that they're generating
revenue, they're generating revenue from
being paid themselves. Okay,
>> I want to clarify that because that may
be a perception out there that well the
golf course are bringing in millions of
dollars and they are bringing in money
to help themselves
>> and the money that I'm talking about
>> the money that I'm ident that I have
identified isn't even money to keep them
up and running. That's money that they
use for future capital projects. And I'm
saying in in the budget that we're
facing after investing $3 million,
that's money that can be put to better
use than
>> Okay. We're going to have to uh we I
mean finance department and legal are
going to have to see whether that's
legally poss legally possible, you know,
pursuing the code and uh as well as how
that fund was created fiscally.
>> Yes, please. It's legal.
>> So, Mr.
>> Yes, please. And and so I agree with
that because part of the reason that
you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um
I don't know all the in this particular
legislation, but the reason they're
broken out in the budget in the um
budget like that is you're supposed to
be able to sustain yourself. So you're
supposed to whatever you take in is what
you need to pay out to do that. So I
don't know the um
ordinance that was made for golf fund
but it may speak specifically to that to
say that. So that's what they're going
to look to and that's why which is also
why I'm just throwing here now. We
should really be doing the same with
waste because we're only supposed to
spend on waste when we came in. So that
is why that is like that. So there may
be there may be um the organizing
document for the for the golf course
that says we can't do that. But I think
we have to look at it and make sure
>> that's why the corporation council has
been they will look into it and get back
to us in terms of can we do this
>> can we not do it
>> but I guess my point is that if there's documents saying that we
can't do that we can certainly overturn
that and do that as this council is what
I'm saying that's within our perview to
do that
>> I don't know the answer to that
>> I don't Yes.
Listen after that. I'm not I'm not going
to be able to limitation. We can't do
that.
>> This
>> Yes. Absolutely.
>> No, no, no. Because importantly things
take from appearance and takes all that
stuff.
>> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have
for this? I'm
>> I'm I'm just going to do revenue.
Yeah. I'm done with revenue. That's it.
Uh please uh the email from uh Oh, I get
the email. I explain it to yourself.
>> Oh, so it doesn't down.
>> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I
didn't to respect time, I didn't want
to. So, we I'll just be really quick and
I said that I was saying that we should
do a 3% raise across for all management.
Um
and we should not have any uh stipens.
And I think that we should have uh a
create a citywide $10,000 pot of money
for people when they are in at our most
um extreme circumstances where they have
to stay late or come in. That that money
should be drawn out of that $10,000 pot
and that should be for um essentially
citywide. Everyone else that's
non-contractual needs to you know kind
of manage their manage their time and
flex their time. Um, but I don't agree
with not giving any raises which why I'm
saying I think the fairest thing to do
would be a 3% flat raise because that's
really to stay afront of inflation and
the way things are going right now. If
we don't do that it wouldn't be it would
almost be like a pay reduction because
of the where inflation is right now that
3% is is
three things you have here. Could you
please go one by one a little um capture
talk about um um stipens?
>> Yeah. So what so in the email what I
said is that we have so if you look
through this didn't need an exact budget
line because it's across departments
that and there's different raises where
there's 8% 12% for varying reasons that
we all heard.
>> What I'm saying is that
non-contractctional meaning that we are
not contractually obligated to give
anyone more than 3%. Then everyone
across should get a 3% raise. Um, so
everyone gets, you know, the same thing
that's that we're that we're allowed to
do and and
so that should uh increase
of of revenue right there and as well or
that should uh decrease expenditures I
should say and also um the stipens and
out of grade paid anything that's
non-contractual I think needs to come
back in as well.
>> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure
we capture that. So you want to have
slight if it's not contractual you want
to remove.
>> Yes.
>> And then have a single which I was
>> the two stipens something
>> and like I agreed anything like a stipen
or you're going to be here later. I
think that when I was looking through
the budget they're I I know that they're
not the exact same thing but they're but
they're described differently but I
think they're relatively similar. And
then you're asking to create a
>> a single
>> single line for maybe 10,000 and yeah
for the for the and maybe it needs to be
a little more than that but just for
those people who like this is an actual
emergency. You have to come in here to
save the city. So you put your cape on
at 2:00 in the morning. Yeah, we need to
have some money there for that. Like it
should only happen in those very extreme
certain.
>> I want to make sure you know that
everything is captured.
>> I appreciate that. They get documented
into our into our proposal for
when it comes to out of grade pay um and
people have job descriptions and they do
things outside of their pay outside of
the job descriptions. Don't we have that
site?
being paid for that when they're doing
things
title pays
>> that's contractual right
>> that's for you know title pay is for you
know for contract employee I mean you
know the the union denies employees you
know they have certain job functions
assigned to their title they're asked to
perform they can
>> they can perform those functions but by
the same token they can file a brief and
has to be compensated for additional
down their titles
>> and and that's contractual employees.
Correct.
>> Right. That's what I said.
>> What I mean when you speak contractually
meaning the CSEAN
those unionized employees. Yes. if
there's always if they're being asked to
go outside to do work um and they have
to be compensated as that item had to
work or there's a grievance
>> um so as they should and that's in their
contract is what I'm saying.
>> So this would not uh talk about anything
that's in their contract. I understand
that we have to work within the
parameters of contract.
>> So I mean what you're looking for is
management but you get
>> outside of the contractual agreement.
Yes, that's
a
>> I refer to them as non-contractual staff
and I'm saying outside of the agreement
employees instead of having these
stipens they would discuss you would
have just this pool of money as stipened
or
for for
hours beyond what their regular work
hours are. I mean that you know
>> be mindful that you don't get into a
position where it's just a undefined
amount of money and needs to pay you
know pay certain individuals and not pay
other individuals you know has to be
parameters and how it's
so yeah so so to be really clear what
I'm saying is this is that if you go
through the budget you go to certain
departments you have and again let's
exclude our union works okay we're not
talking about them. That's why I put
that language in in the email. But what you have is that uh manager in this
department
um of 8% raise manager over here 12%
raise and then a whole bunch of 3%
raises and then an 8% raise. I
completely understand why it's
happening. I understand and heard the
reasons why it's going like that. What
I'm saying is that in this situation
that we're that we're in, give everyone
the flat 3% raise to make sure that we
uh are accounting for their uh inflation
and cost of living rise and you also
have a stipen in this department for
10,000 8,000 over here for this
department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to
the very extreme situations where we
need people and we could talk about what
that number is. And I think that we have
a one line for that because we have some
departments that have statements for
$8,000. Some departments that have no
statements, some managers requesting a
12% raise, some managers uh requesting a
3% raise. So So what I'm saying instead,
and I know Mr. Mut was saying, you know,
no raises right now, you know, based on
the situation we're in, and I understand
his logic. I'm saying that I'm willing
to say we need to give people a raise so
quickly so they can have their their in
cost of living increase raised but
that's it. Just for some input reason
why some reason increase their certain
percentage because there's union members
that are making more than
>> I understand no individuals probably not
going to stay with the city member on
that is making more I I understand that
but this is what we this is what's in
our right now if I could have go into
union negotiations and do it then maybe
but this right now we're not working
with that. That's why when we always
identify, oh, why is this person getting
that? They say, oh, it's contractual. We
go, okay, moving on. Cuz we understand
that that right now is not within our
curve. That's been a negotiated
contract. We can't go back in and do
that. What I'm saying is that instead of
saying no one gets a raise, everyone
gets the same raise at 3% due to the
place that we're in. That's what I'm
saying.
Without the discretion of the mayor, I
was distributed.
3% raise across.
>> No, no, no. I'm talking about the
10,000, you know, the pool of money. How
would that be?
>> Well, I think that there's going to
there's there's some variables there. I
said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be
more, right? And maybe the mayor when
the mayor maybe the mayor works with us
and say, well, this position,
you know, is the 911. Oh my goodness.
Coming in for this position, but this
position people just usually come and
present to city council. So if you're
just coming to present to city council
in that case then you can flex your time
the next day but then you know then make
sure that you know then it would be a
operational thing but I'm just not okay
with not giving anybody any risks.
>> I I just want to say when my son-in-law
work for those I mean they go out on any
fire and that goes in there and you know
to expect it like the mayor said the
other night you know I want somebody
who's going to get get up put their coat
on. We have a water main break 2 3 in
the morning. So there are certain
departments that I I think deserve
respitement.
>> Um and again under those guidelines I
mean I can't take away city clerks
because um I mean she does they do go
above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when
needed um because of New York state laws
but has has to be there. But those those
I think you'll need to remain in those
departments. But that's just me. We'll
talk about it. Yeah, that's what it's a
proposal from everyone. That's what
we're getting here. So, I'm going to Mr.
William sent his recommendation. So, can
you please take that email and
incorporate it into the proposal?
>> 5.2. You're saying 10K for
>> 10K is just a number that's out there.
It's extremely
between each fund. We imagine like
water, sewer, golf
>> in general. So you would have to have
thought maybe I don't know 10 10 10
>> So maybe the number would be this number
you're just saying has to be divided
across departments, right? That's what
you're saying.
>> Depends how many more managements or
bunch of other I don't know how that
>> Okay. I I think that would just from
input if we could look at what disciples
have been spent
in previous years the same way we use
this historical data to make our
projections now I think that that
wouldn't be any different here.
» Yeah, I'm happy with that. So let's just
back up here. So Mr. William
recommendation please incorporate that
into the proposal the council proposal
and if there's any clarification needed
we can reach out to Mr. William.
I'm sorry. I didn't hear you.
>> So, just so we have better clarification
how to put this in uh format that we
understand.
>> Sure.
>> You want to take a look at general water
and have all the statements in the
general fund
>> with that in order.
What I'm looking for is we could look at
the historical data of like so the last
3 years what lines have been you know
how much money have been spent drawn
down from the stipens and what
department I think that that will better
help inform
what that number should look like and
how we could do it and and are we and I
guess yeah we would be required to be
ahead.
» Yeah.
So we have the email from Mr. Williams
and we're going to add that into the
proposal.
» Mr. Williams,
>> he sent his own secret
for that.
>> Okay. I want to make sure that we we
accept this. Um any emails from anybody
else?
No. Um
I'm thinking I just sent an email in
terms of the um I think that um
My my recommendation is to um
to continue we make a recommendation to
support the mayor's um support mayor's
um hiring phrase into 2026
and also any new hire that is not grant
funded we should also put that out on
hold and revisit um into next year. So I
will make that recommendation
that whatever victory we have with the
SL central or grand bonded we should
continue to hold it hiring for you for
that as the mayor had this year and into
next year and all new hires
funding and not
yes that is my um Uh,
>> it's all working now.
>> Yeah. So, I really need to go through
this. Um, and I'm too tired right now to
do it, but given the information that we
learned tonight, I will try to do some
recommendations before Friday. Um, I'm
happy to just look at what you all just
did and I'll, you know, when we get the
Excel spreadsheet back, um, with the the
proposed city council changes, I will I
will look at those.
>> Are we going to have to revisit it right
now? No, I'm going to just work off that
document because I just I just can't I
know. I just I just I'd have to go
through my my way of thinking is I'd
have to like look at everything. So, I
want to look at everything that you all
just said. I do want to say that I
completely agree with you that I want to
support the hiring freeze. Everything
that you just said would be things that
I would support as well for you to learn
that I think the hiring freeze needs to
stay in place. I don't think that we
should be, you know, I think we need to
not necessarily do the new buyers. Um,
so I'm I'm right with you on that.
>> Miss Michael, um, we're not going to
have a budget Friday. So, can we put a
um a notice out to capture someday next
week because I was expecting us to
present our proposal today so that we
give it to the commissioner of finance
so he can present to us Friday from the
time we arrive at 5:30. We're going to
start go through all proposals side by
side and say okay here are we are you in
agreement with John are you agreement
with Mr. Toro we can't start debate and
say you know what I agree with Mr. to
Don, we're not agreeing with you and
let's move forward. Now, we're going to
have to go now. We're going to have to
go through that the entire budget again
to for your proposal.
>> That's not what I'm saying. That's not
what I'm saying. I'm going to hear what
all of you all had to say. I'm going to
just I mean, in other words, what you're
saying is that they're not they're going
to have to give us back a document on
Friday that has what you suggested, what
>> everyone suggested. All five of us
except
>> Okay. I thought we were going to see
something on Friday incorporating all of
the I I don't know. I mean, I guess
>> you could send it in if you needed to.
>> I I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy
to review just based on what this
conversation was tonight. I mean the I I
really do feel I do support the hiring
free. I can give you a couple of general
comments, but I do want to look back at
everything we just discussed.
>> I mean, I thought you were making notes.
>> I was if you want I can go through it
right now. If you all want to stay, I'll
just do it right now and we'll get my
notes that I was taking while I'm
sitting here. So, let's see. I would um
if you want to start right on page um
eight
um
I don't think I want to change the
allowance. Are we still I don't want to
change the allowance for collected
uncollected taxes because I think that
um I'd have to go back through my
paperwork, but I believe that the
recommendation from the finance
commissioner was that that figure 2850
is probably too low. So, I would stay
there for that. Um, in terms of the,
um,
cannabis one, um,
I would be okay with, um, I'm look I'm
trying to I have to go back and look at
the, um, maybe if you like take some
maybe start with John's email, both of
those lines. Excuse me.
>> It might help just for you to reference.
>> Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was the document I was
looking at was John's John's document
because that was the only one that he
had, I believe, in advance of coming in.
Um,
yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up
in the cannabis. Um,
I have to find John's email again.
Here's
the Here's John.
was increasing cannabis by
$300,000. I believe
um
on that one
John was going to a million, Dorine's
going to 800,000. Demani was going to
850 and Miriam was going to 850. Um I
will say
um 850.
So that is A116.
>> Question. I think it it's just it
doesn't matter what we were doing. So
I'm just listening but I was listening
to all of you and listening to the
arguments. I listened to the police.
>> Absolutely.
>> This is this is not about any of us.
>> No,
I know. I'm making my own I am making my
own I think I just I kind of process
differently.
>> So you're making a decision based on all
the information that you heard.
>> I am I am.
>> So that's what I was saying. I think
that it's not too much for you to take
that and go through it and then send it
in. We would have it if you send it to
Sam and then that would be easier.
>> I can do it tomorrow.
>> I definitely couldn't do it when I go
home now.
>> Right.
>> Um but I can actually I mean I do I
agree with what Mr. Mutter is saying. I
will say I came in here tonight to say
yeah same thing. Hiring freeze needs to
continue. Um, I don't think we should be
necessarily filling vacant vacancies
um or adding new positions, but again, I
want to make sure that I'm, you know,
looking across the board at those. I
think that's what you just said, right,
Mr. Munar? Um, so I kind of agree with
that one. Um, there's one other place
where I wrote a note that I would
suggest.
Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah, the bus
patrol. I really want to stay with the
400,000 on the bus patrol. So that is
line 2610.
I think we should stick with the 400,000
there.
So I have a question regarding that. So you're not taking into into
consideration the $600,000
that is not that outstanding revenue
that they didn't account for in the
budget. that we hired from the chiefs
and ask
>> well I asked I asked them I actually
asked the question tonight whether they
thought the 400,000 was realistic and
they I wrote myself a note actually they
said yes the 400,000 was the realistic
number
>> but it does not factor in the
outstanding
>> okay so these you want to have these
discussions now instead of Friday
>> you're making a recommendation just like
when we were making re I'm going to
stick with the four I'm yes I'm going to
stick with the 400,000
on that one. Um,
I'm sorry. I have to put in my other
notes that I took tonight and look back
at them.
>> Sorry about this.
>> No, you don't got to be sorry about it.
And if you need to take the night to
tomorrow, tomorrow morning to do it, you
can do that. Just like do that. There's
nothing wrong.
>> And I I feel like like like we're
forcing you to go do it. You said that
you didn't want to do it.
>> You get up in the morning to go through
your notes and email out right away to
Sam and Derek.
>> With a fresh mind, I kind of understand
that.
>> We'll all be on the same.
>> Okay. All right. And that's
>> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.
Don't worry. We're in it together.
>> I mean, believe me, on Friday, I get to
see and and actually we will see this
document before we come here at 5:30 on
Friday. Right.
>> Tomorrow's only Thursday,
>> right? So, we'll get it we'll get it in
time to review that document before we
come here.
>> Can you please to email
that if if I may the document is going
to be available to us when all of us
submit our proposal. If you do not have
any proposal
then the document is going to be
available just I just want to look over
all my notes from tonight. I am not
going to have the finance commissioner
send out a document and then we are
still in the process of submitting your
own.
>> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as
I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as
I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just
asking if we could get it back in enough
time to look through that document
before we come back here on 5:30 on on
Friday.
>> Is that is that the plan that we have it
before we come back on?
>> Well, we have never done that before.
>> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked
at it. We present a proposal. We allow
them to to do their changes. They add
the column do every bring these this
information to us and then we can kind
of like start. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Here is here is um cannabis
one is saying a million one is saying
800. Where do we stand on this? Do we
have a consensus? Do we have an
agreement? Where do we the finance
committee will have to make a
recommendation and what do we do with
that on that line? That's how we decided
to do it.
>> I guess so we better add the other
night. We we have to add an additional
Friday.
>> If we don't push these things on and we
keep dragging them on into next day,
>> we've been doing that for the last
couple days. We're going to end up into
next week. And I was about to ask, I
need some availability next week or this
weekend.
>> Monday.
>> I'm What time is that?
>> But so, but Mr. I do have to ask this
question.
What uh what Mr. Mukam is going to do? I
say 850 for candidates. You say your
name. So what is he really going to put
in his documentation? Is he just going
to list all of our stuff separately? You
know, it can't be like when down the
hall because we came here with saying
Friday we can't have it run into the
office. So we have to get our
recommendation in before before 5:30. Do
you want me to create a summary sheet
like this for each individual
>> for each individual?
>> So you have it's going to be a summer.
It's not going to be the fall,
>> right?
>> Just the changes.
>> Each person's changes and we still I'm
sorry. We still have one touch that
comfortable for you just on one sheet.
>> Well,
all all six of us. I would probably
recommend doing six different sheets
and and also the percentage of the tax
increase up or down based on those
recommendations on each one.
>> The totals then then how much is that?
>> That's right.
>> Reducing the rate
>> by based on those revenues on each one.
So everybody can take a look and compare
>> which column is working and which isn't
and where there's consensus and what
impact that has. So that's my
recommendation is that's a calculator.
>> I think that makes sense. So if you want
to pass around a brief thing um summary
from what we have there provided earlier
um just to get an idea that's
all the council members to
» so then we still will have to come back
together because then at least my memory
is that we will see uh this document
right it'll look like this again
>> this is just you
>> but it'll be like proposed council,
>> right? And then that's where we start to
really talk to each other and figure out
>> well that's not what he's planning
to say.
>> Go ahead,
>> Mr. Cathar.
So it'll be six sheets,
>> right?
>> We kind of have Mr. Williams's cuz he
did it that way.
>> And then we'll go by line. This is what
people are reporting. Um, then we'll
have negotiations and then we'll all
agree on that line. Then we'll move to
the next line and we'll do that.
>> And we didn't make changes. I mean, you
guys only made changes to I'm going to
say I'm guessing like six or seven lines
all told.
>> I don't think it's super significant.
But what we didn't do tonight
>> as far as I'm concerned about whether we
changing the expenses down
>> I mean I did a little bit
Mr. Williams did too
>> for councilman. He said one email
suggested to reduce management salaries.
>> Excuse me.
>> No, I asked for
>> Okay. There was an email saying no
management salary.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that
was my suggestion.
>> Okay. So, I would have to add I don't
know 50 something lines for management.
No, just everything
just like that.
>> Yeah, that's a basic number there.
>> We would have to know each line how to
reduce it or keep the same.
>> Yeah, that's when we go to
>> So that's that's management line. So 50
different lines for the management
>> salary. So you have to
roll back. I don't know if he did that.
>> I think he already did it once. So now
he would just take the changes and do it
again.
>> Well, it was only the only people that
talked about that thing. I think it was
John himself. John was was at
>> you know I came prepared.
>> Right. That's what I'm saying.
>> And I wanted to move this budget
forward. That's why I said to be move
forward. If not, we're going to have to
go into the next week or this weekend
when I am going to have to discuss the
new availability because we're going to
come in Friday here and we're going to
still talking about we're going to still
be talking about revenue. We're going to
still be talking about
>> No, we did that. She missed that.
>> Yeah.
Some of us did talk about expenditure.
>> None of us did
>> expenditures. Yes. But revenue we did.
>> Yes, we did. teach you session.
>> We touch on revenue. What about
>> Well, we could either do it now, but I
think many of us are tired or we do that
on Friday.
>> I gave my
>> Well, that's what's going to have to
roll into another day because we're
going to have to send it.
>> I kind of came in here thinking that we
were going to have to have another day
because I I mean, first of all, when
already just talking about the revenue,
I think it's like 10:00 at night.
>> 10:30
10:19. Um, so we still I mean I kind of
already cleared some stuff from my
schedule next week cuz I figured we were
going to have to go into next week. I
mean even based on our conversation last
night. I mean I just thought that we
were going to have to have
>> some more days. I think what we need to
say tonight is everybody needs to get
their expenditures in. They didn't have
them tonight
by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have
everything to present to put together
for Friday. It's not even an option. I
had mine but what I understood us to do
that when we're going around the table
for revenue right I'm going to make
another right for expenditure
>> and then the second circle didn't happen
>> right I mean I could sit here for like
10 minutes and probably you know write
down all my thing isn't that I mean I
feel like some of that you guys were
also kind of making changes and thinking
about it because of what we tonight
>> yeah I mean so I sent in my revenue
increases and my expenditures in your
email earlier today
But we got it.
I was very clear yesterday evening with
you. So please sent in your
recommendation,
>> right? And I'm sorry that I did not also
wanted to hear the addition that
happened.
>> Um I'm glad that the others uh sended
their recommendation. One recommendation
I also had was the fees for service.
the fees for sorry M Derek.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Uh I would I will my recommendation is
to also pull a high level uh report of
how much we spending towards treats for
service across all department
>> and my uh my recommendation was to um
well for us to consider this is my
proposal as my proposal. I want to be
very clear with people.
>> Yes. These are all we're saying here is
our proposal.
>> So to kind of lower that by 10% across
the board, but that's one of my
recommendation that it should be added
as a cost reduction.
And that's the mail that was sent to the
and everybody was copied on that.
>> And
this is the services.
» I think you have something you want to
add. Yeah, you have to say something
about the local law.
>> I'll be your pardon.
>> The local law we go regarding the
override
>> of the tax.
>> Oh, good.
>> Oh, you want to talk about that?
>> Yeah. Based on
>> you know that falls into
proposals
budget carried $2.6 $6 million in peace facilities that don't also include
training.
>> These are extras, I guess. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?
You just got
>> I didn't hear what you're saying cuz I
was like
>> this document
>> is for fees for service and also
training.
>> Oh, that's good because that is the
other thing that
>> it's $2.6 million.
That was one of the things that I think
I mentioned to you.
>> We did talk about this last training.
Yeah,
>> the training. So my recommendation is
that based on this I would like to see
uh my recommendation a 10% reduction
across
>> 10%
reduction in these lines each department
>> all together%
>> that's my recommendation. It's my
recommendation.
I mean just before you do that
department come in and talk about that
>> we already reduce them drastically.
>> I mean I think we took notes from every
department
>> not contractual but the agreements in
place where
>> we can't just do it
>> you can't just cut it in
I would recommend that if you really
wanted to entertaining increasing it
even further. I do see um like there's
been I see the first um A1010 404 that
was actually more than half but you see
what you're talking about. However, um
if I jump to the very next one and I
don't know which department these are
A134
the exact same amount. So some have been
reduced um considerably and others have
remained the same. So do we um only ask
the people who's if we must do this do
we only ask the people who's remain the
same when we talk about cutting in
another 10% like this is rema
Finance and we usually keep that the
same that's most of the audit services
that the annual audit and there's other
u that you have no you
what it is.
>> And there's 13 35 148 didn't change.
>> So, some of these didn't change.
>> Um, a lot of them seem like they really
didn't change and this one was
significantly. I don't know what they
are. So, I have to go back and I believe
one that was
discussed
and he have been consolidating some of
that from other departments. That's why
I follow
look at the report and can we have this
>> because I asked for the report
here.
>> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?
Thank you.
>> Is there anything that would help you
digest the stock a little further
because you just see numbers for
services. I'm going to go back look at
the number and then I'm going to look at
this and then I'm going to look at my
notes from the term both presentations
and that will help me decide whether we
can or cannot reduce these based on what
the line is right everybody
>> I mean I can just refer to the budget if
it's if it's nothing
there'll
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and he said that he doesn't have to put
it in. It'll just fit a bill so he can
go. All right, let me just take a pause
for a minute on the um call brief.
I forget. Okay. Um briefly, um you've
got the draft ordinance, budget
ordinance looks the same as in the past
years. It's a matter of filling in the
amounts. What changes is the proposed
tax cap override the tax cap. The state
law mandates that you pass a local law
authorizing the tax cap
override.
>> There's certain procedures. Procedures
are that we I've given you the draft.
This is modeled on other cities that
have done this the legislation.
If for example you're planning on
passing the budget on Monday night and
the regular council you have to ask for
unanimous consent because you're not
going to be at least vote on it because
it's going to be majestically funded
prior after tomorrow
that the on a local law as we went
through the other local law earlier this
year has to be on the desk for 7 days.
Mayor, the mayor can ask for message of
necessity which is a letter to the
council saying that that the the uh
requirement from the the uh statute or
wave that you you introduce it and vote
it on the same night. The proposed
legislation is before you. It is the
intent of the of this local law to uh
permit but not require the city of
Skenquity the go of the tax cap. So
bottom line, this local law, it's got to
be passed prior to adopting the budget.
The mayor must send you message of
assessed the first plan on Monday night
hearing. Um that means local be
introduced and voted upon that same
night and the budget would be adopted
that same day. And the alternative if
you're what I am recommending this local
law introduced and be voted on on Monday
night. If the budget ordinance needs to
be take a few days to pass that you have
the local law pass
and it's below the tax cap. It's below
the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The
local law is in place. That's what um
the the the calculations that the
finance department are going to do, the
finance commissioner are going to look
at you're going to see what what how
that impacts the tax cap. There's a
formula under the general municipal law
that the finance commissioner looks at
based on
the rates and tax base etc. the city of
Connecticut. It's all out laid out in
the general municipal law. E based on
the numbers that you've come to can look
at that formula and then say oh this is
these these you're above or below the
tax cap.
So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as
we go through this process, you know,
Friday, that Mon or Saturday, um, that
at the very least the finance committee
votes out of committee that this local
law be introduced and voted upon. So, at
least you have that. Now, advice this
weekend, you may know that you may be
below that tax cap and you wouldn't have
to worry about that. But if if it's not
getting to where you want to go, you
should have that local law squared away.
It does. The local doesn't commit to it
and just allows to
>> Can we understand? You know,
>> can we vote on that tonight so that we
can get it onto the agenda for
council meeting? This is a committee
meeting,
>> but this is a committee meeting. What I
No, no. But I recommend that you hold
off on voting the local committee until
you get further information and numbers
from the finance department.
>> No, we're not voting on anything
tonight.
» And that's that's all I have.
>> That's question.
Would you please when you find the uh
the originating documents for the fund
for the golf fund, could you for those
over to me, please?
>> Yes.
>> Thank you, sir. We'll look at the
ordinance and I got to talk to the
finance commission. I just like to see
what
>> and just you gave some recommendations
on how excuse me should provide
information from the set of
individually. So it was individual
sheets for each person with our
recommendations and then you said
something else
>> and how those you know each one of those
additions that you've made or deletions
that you've made how with the total
numbers how that would impact the tax
rate based on each one of those those
columns but then they have to give him
what we would be willing to I don't
think he talked everyone talked about
what we will be willing to take out of
our reserve
>> the expenses we didn't do expenses
But we can can I just say couldn't that
be um the six of us our things could be
on one spreadsheet so we see across the
you know what I mean like it might be
that
>> five of the six of us have the same
exact
if we see it all in one spreadsheet
across the board we might all have the
same
>> things I mean can you do that if we
>> we'll take a look and see if it's easy
on the
Okay.
>> On a legal sheet
>> that on a legal sheet. That's what
exactly.
>> So we can go through line by line.
So
>> the column would be John Dorine.
>> But yes, do it on one.
>> If you can again
notes, but just make sure we have
everything on paper correct. Send an
email. I don't
>> I was about to say that.
I'm going to remind you again in all of
respect you please please please send in
your proposal I do not want to come here
Friday and you still have proposal
I want to give the finance commissioner
the the absolute time to go and revise
their sheet and bring it back to us
Friday
>> right
>> we should not be well we should put this
in and we should put this in I'm giving
yall enough time
>> so to get that information in.
>> So for expenses
>> for this team to to expense revenue,
expenditure in and out whatever you want
to do. You want to add expenditure, you
want to reduce expenditure, you want to
increase revenue, you want to decrease
revenue, please submit it. I'm going to
reach out to Mr. Williams and ask him if
he has anything more. And if he does,
he's going to get an email and follow up
with that stuff. So, I'm going to ask
that the rest of us here to fight for
us. Please get that
>> if I you try to get that in one. Is that
what you're looking for?
>> I would just like one.
>> No, not one sheet per person.
>> Yes. One sheet. So, we can look at
>> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one
sheet. Is that what you're saying?
>> John wants these revenues, these
expenditures.
30s, these revenues, these expenditures.
So I so I know exactly we wrote it down
exactly everything
has so you can follow the
>> she doesn't have expenditures. She just
says the revenue
won't be able to separate that
transfer financ So we know everything.
» You're going to do it.
>> We we were going through detail and we
making sure that the commission of
finance was taking notes and M was
taking notes in terms of our
recommendation one by one. Please
>> clear that up or as he suggested email
whatever additional.
>> Yes, exactly. Just I just echo if you
have additional expenditure in or out
revenue in or out please email it and
that will be added under your name under
your t
>> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments
to any of the funds I said maybe golf
depending on what uh we find uh
I didn't hear anything
I I did have one about the cus I'm
wondering if we can buy fewer
EV like maybe I'm overlooked. Yes, we
purchased only six EV charger stations.
Um only one rear loader. So it was
because those were expense lines and we
didn't get there. So I'll send them
again.
>> Can you please send that to
>> and everyone on the the proposal please
add it as a expenditure?
>> Yep. And I have another expenditure but
we again we never got there.
>> Mr. Williams Mr. Williams was completed.
>> Okay.
>> Are we good tonight?
>> Mhm. So more likely we'll have to meet
again next week. So I don't know. I mean
we have we have a they have a short
meeting Monday
city council meeting. So we can I can
meet earlier and then later
>> I haven't either probably I think we
have to consider people that work during
the day.
>> Well we can do five Monday then break
for recess and go back and come back
because
>> Yes. Cuz that was fun. You're right.
» We we got we got
>> Mr. Chairman, do you intend to have the budget pass in a special meeting or
an adjourned meeting? If a special
meeting has to be specially noticed,
other words, we're just having business
on on Monday,
a special meeting
>> by Thursday with a with a notice for
next Thursday. Well,
I'm glad you touched on that again. My
intention was to have the budget up or
down and see where we stand on Friday by
having everybody propose a
move forward with a high level
discussion Friday and we see where we
stand and then eventually if we all
agree or with agreement majority
agreement we move it out to committee
and then we ask unanimous consent on on
the floor for one day. But I don't know
where we stand right now because we
still have outstanding stuff to me. I
favor to the finance team to give these
top 10 at the last minute. I expect them
to deliver a report to us.
So I ask that you please please
including myself. I have been very open
about my emails. I copy everybody by
email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask
you to do the same thing cuz if we don't
if we if we come here Friday and we're
going to have to I'm going to have to
start making we're going to have to
start reserved dates from from tonight
or tomorrow
into next week.
>> We already have Friday schedule. So if
we're going to do anything at home,
we're going to have to schedule it
>> because we have the trade we need three
days.
>> Can we can we do that right now? Can we
suggest days right now? I'm going to be
cancelling. I figured I was going to
need next week. I am cancelling the
housing uh task force for Tuesday. It's
going to be later in November. I
mentioned it to Sam, but I haven't had a
chance to write that out yet. Um so we I
was trying to free up a night and so I
could do Saturday. I have to cancel
something, but I can do Saturday. I can
do Monday and I can do Tuesday.
>> That's the day.
I'll take Wednesday.
>> So it's about to be Thursday.
Well, there's going to be towards you
next hour.
>> So, we have Friday.
>> So, I mean, are people able to Well, I
know we have to ask Mr. Williams too,
but
» I I think we have, but that doesn't we
have to accommodate. So, we have to be
considerate of the final staff on
Saturdays.
>> Okay. Yes.
So
Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday
workbook folks
>> whatever day we choose going forward now
we need the final fee
>> with us.
>> Mhm.
>> Why don't you schedule it for Saturday?
That's 3 days and then I'll be available
one day. Well, I think he's saying that
he doesn't want to necessarily have the
finan
» any of those days. Yeah.
>> I don't know get the call where you're
>> I know.
>> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about
that you guys? We're always schedu
and Tuesday.
>> Do we want to meet Saturday?
» We want to hear what you said.
So
first time we consider
>> Monday 5 5:30
>> Monday
5:30 and then we recess and we
>> go to council meeting
>> and then we'll reconvene right after
that.
>> Okay
>> that meeting and continue
>> if we happen to come to an agreement
Friday then we just disregard those
dates. question. Do we have to do a
notice for Monday if we're in recess
now? If we're just going to reconvene
Monday prior to our 7 o'clock meeting,
>> yeah, but we'll come in Friday anyway
because we have to give a notice.
>> We have to give public. This is being
set apart from the council meeting. We
have to give notice. I thought because
we suspect
>> and the thing the ordinance the budget
ordinance in the local that has to
already be on your agenda. You can
adjourn the meeting to vote on those
things, but they would have to be on the
agenda already for the meeting that was
announced.
>> You can always have a special meeting on
3 days notice dealing with the budget
and below the law if necessary.
>> So, you're saying the warning is here
for Monday's meeting.
>> If you want to just do a
>> as opposed to a new special meeting,
>> but I I basically
best let's see what happens on Friday.
>> I agree with that.
>> Yes. Good point. That's that's the
point. So, next Monday city council
meeting
you recess.
>> Well, let's see. Let's see what goes on
Friday.
>> But we need the 3 days, right? Don't we
have to have three-day public notice?
>> You're going to have your regular
meeting on Monday. If you are able to
get out the budget ordinance
on Friday and the local law on Friday or
Saturday by unanimous consent, you can
just add those to the agenda on Monday.
>> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then
you can adjourn the meeting or later in
the week before November 1st. Then it's
an adjournment meeting, not a new
meeting.
>> Can we
recess? But could we could we right now
so that we have enough notice and if
just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we
>> I think we I think the best practice
right now is just to see what happens on
Friday.
>> That's my recommendation.
>> What if we decid Monday still that time
>> for the committee meeting? Yes. So maybe
just have the committee meeting. you're
already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on
Friday, right?
>> So, if you need to work with it some
more prior to the meeting,
>> um you can add that by unanimous
consent, the budget ordinance and the
local law.
>> But if we have to come at 5:30 on
Monday, don't we have to do a public
notice 3 days in advance?
>> Right. And for for the finance,
>> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do
you?
>> So, yes. Oh.
>> So, so what I'm going to get then
is that Sam's going to send out a notice
that we're going to add
>> two more days.
>> We're going to add Monday reconvene at
5:30
recess city council meeting upstairs and
reconvene back down here and then
Tuesday 5:30.
>> Okay.
>> I'm going to place that place full
reserve those days. I think that's the
way to go.
>> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that
we're going to have something Friday.
>> We might.
>> Do you want to add Wednesday?
>> Nobody had hardly anything.
>> We can just for the sake of
» Yes. Wednesday.
>> I'm sorry. What? and Wednesday and
Wednesday
council. So you recess recess the uh
council meeting
>> council meeting
>> and you can reconvene like towards your
Friday
>> right if if those items get on by next
>> if they get on the agenda they have to
be on the agenda we'll reconvene the
meeting has to be otherwise you're going
to have to have a special meeting also
we need a special you need a special
meeting if you're maybe that's the way
you want to go and have a special
meeting for next Thursday or Tuesday or
whatever, you know, um and just have a
special meeting to to vote on the
budget. That way you may have a little
bit more time in between, you know, see
if things can be worked out.
>> We've done that before and we're like in
a special meeting when you let the
budget go. You want to go on.
>> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.
>> Yes.
>> And and just do that and then you just
have you're just dealing with the budget
and the local law if necessary. Mhm.
>> So, so the charge we're taking here is
to make sure that we secure placehold
for the committee meeting days.
>> We look what happen, you know, what's
happening Friday.
>> Mhm.
>> And then we can say, okay, we need
Monday. So then we can say, you know,
there are a couple items need to to to
iron out. Then we can call the special
meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.
>> Wednesday's the one I I can't I mean,
I'd say Tuesday.
>> You can't Wednesday.
And actually Thursday Thursday Thursday
is the um is it is there's the county uh
dinner but
>> we got
can notice for the committee meetings
and possible
council meeting all at once.
>> Yeah.
>> Like one notice saying that that's what
the agenda is.
Yeah. Council meeting. Yeah.
>> Two notices or you know one notice with
two two meeting notices. One one with
the committee and council meeting
dealing with the uh adoption of the
budget.
>> Right. So so on day though it's I know
that you guys but if you come here 5:30
when time's the dinner started?
>> I don't know. I I'll forget it. I won't
worry about it. I just you know skinny
shares is actually one of the awardees.
If you're if you're voting on the budget
though that's already be working passing
usually that meeting less than half an
hour is tops that
>> then I will also be available on
Thursday.
>> So everybody's available on Thursday. So
>> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday
everybody.
>> So here let's do this one step at a
time. S please out for me. Uh the
committee is u we're meeting this
Friday. meeting next Monday and Tuesday.
>> Yes, special meeting on Thursday for the
>> hopefully we can do it before then, but
hopefully we can, but I don't know. It
is
>> Thursday.
Just saying.
>> Well, that meeting can always be
adjourned. It's not Thursday.
>> That's right. We don't need it. But just
this is our just in case just in case
the state be
I can sit here until tomorrow morning.
I just man
out because
motion motion to reset finance committee
second. All in favor?
Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. So
>> we already decided to do it. You need me
to break down some
» we'll be meeting later.