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» Yes. Yeah.

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importing now.

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» Okay, so these are correct.

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» Hi, I didn't see you come in. My back

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» Yeah.

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mine here. Thanks.

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need a copy of the phone that

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changes?

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>> Yeah. If anyone

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>> did she?

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>> Yeah.

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>> You have a new one. Okay.

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>> No one.

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>> Yes.

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The same as this, right? Same as

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right? Revenue.

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>> How did we make that?

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a copy of his

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>> before you go. So, we have to align with

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Williams the numbers

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» how far we are

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million against each members.

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>> So what else we had changes yesterday? I

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can do a couple

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that's Michael

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said with the money.

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>> Yes. um for that 2 million.

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>> That's that's that's all

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» I'm going to think.

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I would like to good evening everyone. I

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would like to call the finance committee

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to order for this evening and we'll

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continue our budget um discussion and we

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will continue from where we left off

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last evening

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as we wait for the revised sheet

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for some realignments. Uh we can

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conclude discussion.

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There were some questions asked and an

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answer was provided.

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questions

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asked and look at the answer. If you

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need clarification,

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please uh do so.

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assist.

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Patrick, we left off last evening. You

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were going to look for additional

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recommendation.

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>> I sent a reminder today. Um, did you had

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>> I did not. I sent you back an email

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saying I wasn't going to be able to do

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anything else today. I had a series of

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meetings. So, I don't have any changes

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from the initial recommendations that I

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>> So, are you going to work in it this

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tonight, but no, I I don't know if I'll

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have time. It depends on what time we

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get home.

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>> Last night, I went home and went right

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to bed. So, yeah.

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>> So, so you don't have any suggestion

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right now at this point?

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before, but I don't have anything right

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now. I'm still reading what we just got

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uh today from the police.

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» Mr. Toro, you have any additional

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recommendation?

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>> I do not. Um, I'm just going over these items from the from the PB. Um, be

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where we are. And it looks like he asked

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me that extra revenue we put in there

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that they're really not in favor of all

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of them. And I kind of made my my

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position clear on on on revenue. And I

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just want to say that I think we're in

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this situation because of the series of

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past decisions that have led us here.

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and I repeatedly oppose the budget for

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this very reason since I've been on

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council. So, um continuing to overflate

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these revenues uh projections is I think

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fiscally irresponsible and will place

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our city in a financial condition that's

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a lot worse next year. Um I know we all

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want to try to keep this under the tax

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cap and that's our goal. um

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unfortunately going through um

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you know what we're going through and I look for your guidance and and of

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course the president's port's guidance

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to try and keep us uh under that but

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inflating these revenues I I my what

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I've put forward is is what I'm good

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with at this point. So yesterday you

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suggested that um you're not in favor of going over the

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tax colle

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how how how would you achieve that?

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>> Right. So I'm asking if you come down to

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my level with what I had on what I have

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on the line how would you move forward

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with keeping that under the under the

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test?

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>> We're 1.2 million. We need 4 million

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more and based on my conversation on

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like to see the

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>> tax. I would love to stay under the the

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tax cap. Um

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unfortunately

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these revenues are all inflated and

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>> so then what would you suggest then to

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keep it under the tax cap?

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>> Mr. I'm sorry. Yeah. Like to hear what

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everyone else's position are, especially

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when we get to but I I don't agree with

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this yesterday.

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I made my point my position clear. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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>> But I I just want to clarify. We can't say something and do something

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else. If you are in favor of keeping it

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under the tax cap,

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>> then you have to work towards a number.

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under the tax cap,

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>> which is $5.2 million. When you come in

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with $1.2 2 million. That is not keeping

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it on a tax. So you have you have to be

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straight with the taxpayers.

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>> I am I'm very strict with the taxpayers

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because I'm not going to put them in a

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position next year where the tax rate

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could go up 30%. I'm not doing it.

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>> So then you are not so

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under the tax.

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>> I think at this point in time we just

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need to try to figure out how to get to

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this because this is a circular

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conversation. It's been three days of

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back and forth and I'm disappointed that

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I've been asking over and over for

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recommendation

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>> and some members are not making

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recommendations.

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>> But given all my recommendations,

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>> okay, that's that's not going to change.

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» see if you guys can come down.

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tax cap, then Mukamak has told us it's

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5.2 million. We need to get there.

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we all want to be down in that step, we

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might not be able to get there.

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Mr. I want to be clear that I put that

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directive out to departments. It's just

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the numbers are not there.

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for me to put forth this budget with

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those numbers in it, but that's the

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reality that we're dealing.

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M go ahead. Some um I don't I don't see

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some of the answers in terms of saying

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where we need to go. Um some of the

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questions regarding CBG if there's

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additional funding that's available to

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that. um you know there's a lot of

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discussion about the contingency and

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whether that is in fact correct and my

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understanding is those numbers are

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correct and that money is available and um any any outstanding invoices were

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deducted from that. So that is the given

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number with this might be out here to

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take away from it. That's my

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understanding of that process. um

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without knowing the additionary CBG

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funding that's available. I think that's

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huge that we should be able to um I know

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that last but I thought that we hadn't

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reconciled it but we need to know that

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number because if there's funding

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available to be able to budget on we

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should have access to that information

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and be able to do that.

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» At this point in time we're facing a

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very hard deadline.

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that we have to we have to get to where

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we need to get to.

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» I'll continue that. And so we asked the

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police department about various things.

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a line that we didn't ask for. So I did

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respond to a 201.

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We did not need to ask that response. So

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there's a response to it. We didn't ask

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um a 2610B to find parking. Um

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they said there uh they had 910,000 was

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their revenue was there a function but

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they were willing to vote to 1.1

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million. So there is some level of

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movement there different than what we

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had but more than what they originally

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the adding the additional overtime of

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50,000 which was a suggestion and um

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they didn't think that that was um a

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good way to go because it felt that

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would just create negative interactions

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with the community.

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Um and then finally in A210M

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final building for parking again year to

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date the budget 140 and um they they

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still only expected 170 and then a

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September

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safety fines

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they estimated for jobs in baseball

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current outstanding tickets but there's

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not a mechanism in place but they felt

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the law department to give input on how

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we like those additional those

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additional tickets. So I interpret it to

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mean there's an opportunity to redo the

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revenue and put them in the law.

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Corporation council Thursday but I mean

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look for the full judgments but that's

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just getting the judgments not so much

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the collection. So that's one part and

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then if that's not successful then we'll

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be partnering with uh the thought is

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partnering with the bus patrol company

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to hire a collections agency because

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they they're entitled part of the money

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as well as far as the split between the

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city and the vendor.

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looking to get default judgments on

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these and that's you know it's getting a

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judgment against somebody for the

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amount. Um but once again you have to

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collect it. So uh that's the difficulty

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but uh the thought is sometime next year

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depending on how the defaults see if

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that generates any

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attention from people who have defaulted

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their tickets and if that's not

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generating money then

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collections agency in partnership with

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us.

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So that's and corporation council should

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be here Thursday or next meeting

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particulars but that's the general

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overview and so

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it's going to be tough it's not ready

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made

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» so

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I'm going to say that based on that I

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think there would still be a piece that

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wants to send me since there is a plan

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in place we shouldn't say that say

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exactly what it So I'm giving you talk

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about what that number should be but I

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think that we should definitely increase

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that line

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some based on the explanation because

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there will be

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to

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I thought that

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said they'd already

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» that's on

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the same

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thing department picking It's us the

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city

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>> which must control you're talking to the

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vendor the vendor who provided so

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that's what

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they

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So you have an image to look at the

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top section. So let's see

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how far we are, how close we are.

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The only one that's closest in Safari

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So 6.1 million is what

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available currently but it's actually

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4.1.2

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the tattoo right there.

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Well, just to 6.1 is an unbalanced

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what's going to put in this balance in

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this budget. 4.1 is what remains and we

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have to keep in mind that to the

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negotiations that happened.

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I believe

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I recommend we read about lines based on

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the new information we received today.

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uh finish our conversations with the

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appropriate funds and regarding any

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expenses.

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the final agreement on staffing

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projections and I would suggest you

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close out with projects

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and also

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So if I may ask Mr.

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Let's review the revenue section. Move

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into

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movement to capital the new benefit ways

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we um

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are you recommended that we go to page

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line and see where we stand in terms of

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moving it out and can be

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expensive for for revenue

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and expense also any item that we're

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touching this evening. Uh I say

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definitely for revenue just we

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transition from this category. I thought

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we pretty much did that with expenses. I

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think the only open item was staff

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business.

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So let's we can do a one 0 02

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and we have four members are asking for a reduction

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for 2,50,000.

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Any

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discussion after that?

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» Any changes?

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» Mr.

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Zero.

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>> Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna I'm I'm staying

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285 again.

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>> Never sected the rate

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» never

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right.

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>> Yes.

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Should

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we just keep going? Maybe Mr. Just go

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down the line.

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>> Well, we need to make a movement in

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terms of do we have the support to move

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this out of the finance community?

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Some of them we're going to have to

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adjust. Some of them we might have to

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pull out. So, we can I don't think we

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can make a movement on the entire

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section. Uh

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>> well, you only need two. We go line by

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line.

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>> Oh, yeah.

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>> And we just said there's there's a

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consensus. I'm guessing there's

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consensus in the um there's at least you

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asked that there's there's at least two

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people on the finance committee who are

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satisfied with the 2050,

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right?

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. So then then we get a cannabis

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excise tax.

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>> Okay. So we can do that. I don't have

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that.

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>> That's what we should do.

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» So next is cannabis.

388
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>> Yes.

389
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So we have one, two, three, four, five

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members are asking to increase it by 150

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>> as a tour. Are you format that number?

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>> Uh what do I have? 100

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>> 100.

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>> Yeah, format it.

395
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>> Okay. So we have five the one there

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snap.

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We're moving um

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200 2,000. Initially, everyone is in

399
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agreement. Are we still there?

400
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>> I don't see any changes on the sheet.

401
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,559
>> Okay, go ahead.

402
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:47,360
>> Looks like we're all

403
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>> I'm sorry. I just didn't hear anything

404
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back from Miss Car. It said it's still

405
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needed. She still needed some time on

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that. Did we get something back after

407
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that?

408
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We're still waiting for um development

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staff

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together.

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Hopefully hopefully tomorrow

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I told this morning 4:00 today the

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calculations

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more complex and go back and forth. So

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>> got my phone

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What what are we paying for in terms of

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the costs on the departments

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>> reconciling those accounts?

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» I'm trying to recall when I when I when

420
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we had a discussion with Miss Miss Car,

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she I want to make sure I'm speaking

422
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correctly because I don't want to

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miscode anyone.

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She had told us that um she had asked

425
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the department head or met with them to

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kind of go over if there are any

427
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outstanding invoices

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and I can recall that only one invoice

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that was outstanding or she was able to

430
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,919
collect from code enforcement like

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00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:06,000
40,000ish don't quote me on that

432
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,600
somewhere around there. So kind of like

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if she hasn't met she mess with them,

434
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they're telling her that they didn't

435
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,200
find any is actually different than

436
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what's been represented. There were

437
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things that were submitted to

438
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development that apparently were

439
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,880
insufficient. They didn't have as much

440
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,480
information as they needed. They're

441
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360
going back and documenting that, putting

442
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,640
it in manner that compliant with the HUD

443
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regulations

444
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and appropriately

445
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charging

446
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for crediting the departments the

447
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activities the students doing.

448
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,919
>> So So then this lead Sorry I just found

449
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,880
a couple here and then So then if we

450
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440
were to back it out this 202,000

451
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,559
and then this um

452
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,830
this 206

453
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,159
then that will go back to general fund.

454
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:01,279
So there will be more more funds

455
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,559
available on the general fund to help us

456
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,200
with additional expense. So I mean I

457
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,039
repeat this yesterday but um it's a

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00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:11,279
internal stuff that needs to get done

459
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,039
but the money will not disappear. It

460
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,440
will just end up in the general fund for

461
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,399
us to to use.

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00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:21,919
So either way it's a good thing but you

463
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:25,039
know I say again is disappointed that

464
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,880
the department is taking so long to

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00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,720
submit invoice and if there are errors

466
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,880
they should have corrected

467
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,360
uh from 2001 for 2025

468
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,240
>> 21

469
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,399
>> 2021

470
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:42,389
>> for 2025

471
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» it's kind of disappointed that it's

472
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taking so long for them to recon All

473
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,279
right. So, but it remains the thing,

474
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Miss Carter was abundantly clear.

475
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,520
>> Yes.

476
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,799
>> That any money that was paid was

477
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accounted for in this accounting. So,

478
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whether we put it back in the general

479
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,159
fund, whether we use it here, in my

480
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:03,520
mind, it's still available for this

481
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budget. And that that amount 202,000.

482
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» Go ahead.

483
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So I there's seems to be a a lack of

484
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clarity here and I don't and it almost

485
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feels like we should have this

486
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information. I feel like we got

487
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,760
information and I can't wrap my head

488
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,919
around if saying that are we saying that

489
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,080
the information is incorrect. Mr.

490
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,080
McLaren, you just said made the point

491
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that you made around the money being uh

492
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,240
available and it would just go back into

493
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,080
the general fund. Commissioner, do you

494
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,240
agree with that? I'm sure do you agree

495
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,320
with that assessment?

496
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720
>> If what is budgeted

497
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,519
for this amount of proposed budget 202

498
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:56,480
and 306, it's just an account similar

499
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,799
uh basically they're drawing down for

500
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,159
CDBG funds and replenishing um these

501
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:03,120
accounts.

502
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,000
>> So the money's there.

503
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,720
>> Yes.

504
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
>> Okay. according according to the

505
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,840
director and speak within IDS the

506
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:25,269
statement she provided.

507
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,640
» Are you saying there's a scenario where

508
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,870
the money's not there?

509
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,240
It depends if the team is able to

510
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,840
capture

511
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
the codes and stats

512
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,960
out in

513
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,320
um which they're working on

514
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,240
the pages

515
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200
each one and see which

516
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,679
they're working on.

517
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,039
So commissioner, are you saying that

518
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:57,120
these are outstanding invoice externally

519
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,720
>> from 2021?

520
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,240
>> That's not what I'm saying. I don't know

521
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:00,880
what they are.

522
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,240
>> So then why are you making the

523
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,000
assumption that then money is not going

524
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,840
to be available?

525
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000
This is I I made I thought we were clear

526
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,360
yesterday. This is an internal

527
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,830
reconciliation.

528
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,880
» This is why I'm why why are we doing

529
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,909
this?

530
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:22,880
money's current right now.

531
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880
>> So if we if there is an invoice out

532
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
there, it can be drawn down.

533
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,679
>> So if that is drawn down on say it's

534
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:32,880
100,000 out of the line snap, that means

535
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,760
it will be 102,000 available for 26.

536
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,120
>> Can I just hear what you're saying?

537
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200
>> For further clarification, are you

538
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,880
talking about invoices from 2025?

539
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,519
Because I we wouldn't be going back

540
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:48,880
against what the mayor says. to be

541
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,240
closed together.

542
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,440
>> That's what the team is going through

543
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,919
right now. I'm not aware of what year

544
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,399
they're looking at documentation trying

545
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,480
to put it together toward council.

546
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640
That's what they're working.

547
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,760
>> Um that's still not clear for me because

548
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,399
if we're in 2025 and there's other years

549
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,960
that we you've closed your books on and

550
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,720
that means that's been paid. So even if we spent the money out of the general

551
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,399
fund and this money is now here, it just

552
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,240
goes back to the general fund. And if

553
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,639
we're talking about 2025, and as I

554
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,560
understand it, the HUD year is different

555
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,839
than your

556
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:25,599
>> your year. So, um, so if it's if it's

557
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,159
2025, my understanding is what what Miss

558
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,760
Carter said when she was here is that

559
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,679
she's accounted for any outstanding

560
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,599
invoice that she has currently received

561
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,760
in 2025.

562
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,679
I

563
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,200
you know I would really need you to

564
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,679
explain to me about outstanding invoices

565
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,000
from prior years and why we why we

566
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
wouldn't just have they already paid why

567
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,790
would you not be punching the jail sign

568
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,919
and I I mean M we could spend a lot of

569
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,919
time talking about this I

570
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:58,720
>> well my my

571
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,440
issue is that this is this impacts the

572
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,680
budget in a significant way

573
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
>> and based on the information that um we

574
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,880
received and some of the information

575
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,079
that we've yet to receive. I'm I I I'm

576
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:16,720
curious as to what level of impact

577
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,680
other money is out in the same scenario

578
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,720
that we might be able to draw on and to

579
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,320
give it back to the taxpayers.

580
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,960
And if not, if we're not getting that

581
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,200
information, and I requested that

582
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,240
information um yesterday, and I don't

583
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,240
want it to be a waiting game where we're

584
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,160
running out the clock, and we're not

585
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,599
getting the information that that we

586
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,960
need in order to make an informed

587
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,599
decision. And

588
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,599
you know, seven right now, we're talking

589
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,800
about $600,000

590
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
right now in this one incident that

591
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,160
we're that we're discussing. If we have,

592
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,119
you know, two or three more incidents

593
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,280
that are similar to this, that puts us

594
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,040
in a completely different space as far

595
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,230
as figuring out this budget. So,

596
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,839
the money's there right now. It's

597
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,720
available, but then so are we creating

598
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,560
invoices right now to draw from this

599
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,000
money now from here from 2021?

600
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Is that what's happening?

601
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,400
That's a question for mayor

602
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,079
commissioner.

603
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,440
>> They're going back through all the years

604
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,839
and all current.

605
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:33,680
>> But but may

606
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,440
that is a good thing they're doing to go

607
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,280
back there and to draw down and to

608
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,240
utilize funding that is available. But

609
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,079
once that internal reconciliation is

610
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,640
done, that money will go back. It's an

611
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,960
in and out internal in and out

612
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,640
transaction. Right? So that money will

613
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,000
go back in the general.

614
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,280
>> Not arguing.

615
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,480
>> So that's I'm trying to tell the

616
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,560
commissioner but we're not getting any

617
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,480
>> it may not

618
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,720
>> if the money's expended in 22 25 it

619
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,560
won't be available necessarily for 26.

620
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,920
>> The question

621
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
>> I don't think this is 25 numbers

622
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,200
>> it's a private in 2021

623
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,760
I don't think we have rehoo vendors from

624
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480
2021. We have to close and beat

625
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,119
everybody.

626
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,000
>> Sure. I'm

627
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,599
>> so I don't know why we went around

628
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,160
circles trying to circle around and I

629
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,520
don't think that we're getting adequate

630
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,240
answers.

631
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,079
>> We're not

632
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,320
I'm disappointed with the CDBG the lines

633
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,000
and try to go around and say well we

634
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
have invoice

635
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,560
at this time discussed in last week

636
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,480
nobody would have be aware of this

637
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,560
>> and I'm I'm very concerned that there

638
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,079
are more pockets of money available.

639
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,200
That's that's what mines that point.

640
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,480
>> So I think we may have to call for a for

641
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,079
a forensic scrub on the entire CDBG

642
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:56,880
>> for what?

643
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
>> Forensic scrub on it. Accounting scrub

644
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,359
on it. See where we um where money is

645
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,960
from 2021 to 2025. And if we need to do

646
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
internal reconciliation, let's do it and

647
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,280
put back the money into the into the

648
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920
general fund. But I think we're right

649
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,480
where we're at are right now is what are

650
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960
we going to do with 252 and 26?

651
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,720
>> I'm confident with the numbers that was

652
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,560
presented to us. I am

653
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,119
>> I believe Miss Carva she had her sheet

654
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,200
of her and she was going through line by

655
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,800
line with us

656
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,560
>> and she is credible.

657
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,720
>> Yeah, that's not even a question for me.

658
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,000
I I don't again my only question is that

659
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800
I requested the information for

660
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520
that money and from all departments

661
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,760
because anytime that we're facing such a

662
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960
deficit and

663
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,880
you know

664
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,920
close to $700,000

665
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,160
you know is discovered which is a really

666
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
good thing. I want to go back in that

667
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,320
same spot and look to see if there's

668
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880
other money and we haven't gotten that

669
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,560
information. And so if we act on the

670
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,960
information that we have right now, I'm

671
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,440
okay with doing that.

672
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,520
But I'm concerned that we might end up

673
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000
passing a budget with a with a burden on

674
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,320
taxpayers that could be lessensed if we

675
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,800
have all the information in front of us.

676
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,640
And I don't think that that is a very

677
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,880
difficult or

678
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,720
ask to have especially when the

679
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,560
information

680
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,440
is there.

681
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400
And I don't

682
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,870
I'm almost feeling like maybe I am I

683
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200
Does anyone else see like a strong issue

684
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
with us talking about possible invoices

685
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,800
from 2021 and 2022 and 2023?

686
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,760
>> Well, that to me is

687
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
I don't I'm not com I'm just going to

688
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,760
tell you I feel like that that I'm not

689
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,960
comfortable with that.

690
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,480
>> Well, I think we're all in the same

691
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,079
place, Mr. Farley. and we're saying that

692
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,320
we're not that we're saying that we feel

693
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,079
that this money is here although and

694
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,400
it's just internal reconciliation. So I

695
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,839
say that we're all comfortable with this

696
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,320
number and with the fact that the funds

697
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,829
are available.

698
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:12,560
» Go ahead.

699
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,920
>> So that the code 2021

700
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,119
these are money that's been put forth uh

701
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,400
by the council for program. So even

702
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,040
though sometimes the money is put out

703
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,119
say 2021

704
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,400
you may not expend it in 2021 it might

705
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560
not be drawn down until the subsequent

706
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,079
year some period of time after and that

707
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,720
is what some of that was co came in

708
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,520
there things held up some of the program

709
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,920
some of the delivery and it's not that

710
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,880
there are things that are from 2021 but

711
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,599
expenses or activities that were subsequ

712
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,599
went to that and even this year I used

713
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,319
example of this house on Dwayne Avenue

714
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:04,160
we knocked down and it was one uh I

715
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,839
think I said Robinson Street was

716
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:09,599
actually division street that

717
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,440
were

718
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,599
they were unplanned events and so those

719
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,480
are expenses that would be charged out

720
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,280
of those accounts

721
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,280
and as I understand the appropriate

722
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,520
method of that is

723
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,160
if there's money from 2021, you wouldn't

724
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
take it out of the 2025

725
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,599
money. It should go out of the 2021

726
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:40,000
budget to then back up to the current

727
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,800
appropriation for the same thing would

728
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,720
apply to some of the paving programs or

729
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,560
whatever. Some of the money gets held

730
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,920
over. We use the oldest money first and

731
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
then ordered up to the most current.

732
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,119
Some of that

733
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,760
invoices were sent to development that

734
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,680
were

735
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,040
insufficient. So they may not have had

736
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,599
the proper address on it. They may not

737
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,640
have had section block

738
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,200
and so that they weren't properly

739
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,160
debited or credited depending on what

740
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,319
direction the money was going. supposed

741
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:19,599
to report if I give him a spot. Um the

742
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:21,280
CDBG line that we're talking about is

743
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,599
SNAP and code enforcement.

744
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,480
Majority of this funding out was

745
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,109
directed toward sol

746
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:32,800
the the demo that we're talking about

747
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,640
with the adjustment that we were trying

748
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,599
to make on the contingency.

749
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,240
the proposed $400,000

750
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,319
in your proposed budget. Now, we would

751
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:43,920
say that based on the composition that

752
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,720
we had, uh they are $200 plus,000 the

753
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,560
demo, but instead of taking

754
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,680
$400,000 from the demo fund, why don't

755
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,440
we take $200,000 from the CDP and say

756
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560
Mark for them? But that I'm not arguing.

757
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,079
>> Yeah.

758
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,640
I totally have the numbers ready by 4:00

759
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,400
today. the process is more

760
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
enumbering. I want whatever comes out to

761
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,119
be accurate.

762
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:13,839
>> Yes. Correct.

763
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:14,960
>> So, we're talking three different

764
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,839
things. Um the CDBG

765
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:20,000
snap line and code for line is for

766
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,480
salary that was not drawn on.

767
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,240
>> We already paid these individuals

768
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,640
already from a general fund. the

769
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,119
contingency we're talking about the demo

770
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,760
>> and if they have invoice that they need

771
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,920
to brought down against demo line from

772
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,160
the CDBJ then we just need to do a

773
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,119
reversal on the contingency line and to

774
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,400
just do away with the CDBG 200,000

775
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,960
and then go directly back into the uh

776
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,480
fund for the 400,000

777
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
>> so the CD the two lines there is not

778
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,280
control remaining because those were

779
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,240
salary set for salary and it was never

780
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,359
drawn on it

781
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:56,800
>> correct

782
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,880
So if my comment was going to be part of

783
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,119
Miss Carp's conversation was identifying

784
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,560
that this is a federal program

785
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,680
>> reported and to not acknowledge the 2020

786
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,880
2025 closed out. So I would hope moving

787
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,560
forward we just continue with

788
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,760
understanding that these funds are

789
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,359
available and that these department

790
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:17,280
heads understand the expectations for

791
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,400
submitting uh um full and complete

792
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,319
invoices so that they can be submitted

793
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,560
appropriately and timely. I would hope

794
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,880
that we are not going back because I

795
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,839
think that is a mute point if the system

796
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:32,960
is already closed federally. So I am

797
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,800
safe to say after this extended

798
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
conversation I think understanding how

799
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,760
we got here is a separate conversation

800
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,280
and we are understanding how we are

801
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,720
here. Thank you Miss Carver and her team

802
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,440
for identifying this funds. I think we

803
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,390
can move on.

804
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,119
» Yes.

805
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,480
What I would like to see after the

806
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,119
budget and the committee cycle that we

807
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,960
have on the agenda to discuss this in

808
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,920
more detail

809
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,280
>> the CDBG and available funding for each

810
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:03,839
department.

811
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,280
>> Yeah, we should have it by now.

812
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,520
>> Yes.

813
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Okay.

814
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,920
>> Well, then I would like a commitment

815
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
from the council that if after the

816
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,280
budget is passed, if we don't have any

817
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,560
um information before the budget is

818
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,440
passed and we later find out that there

819
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,000
is money that can be used to offset the

820
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,839
budget and and put money back into uh

821
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:30,000
the hands of taxpayers that we're going

822
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,079
to amend our budget and and let it

823
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,480
reflect accordingly.

824
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,599
And I for as far as we then what I'm

825
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,880
saying is very simply is that

826
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
I did my my my my homework based on the

827
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,599
numbers that was given to us and

828
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:53,599
we have a responsibility to identify all

829
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:57,040
available funding sources as we're

830
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,880
working through this budget. That is our

831
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,640
responsibility to people who are

832
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,560
depending on us to make sure that we're

833
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,440
doing that. And what I so what I'm

834
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,400
saying is that I for one I I already put

835
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,760
my numbers. Okay. I've already did what

836
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,200
you what we've been asking to do. So I'm

837
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,000
not holding up the process.

838
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,880
So

839
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560
seems to me that there's money that

840
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960
that's that's there and and I and I have

841
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
a strong inclination that there's

842
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,040
probably more and and we really need to

843
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,920
be talking about that

844
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,800
as a way to offset some of this cost.

845
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,200
And That's just my position. If everyone

846
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,920
wants to just move on.

847
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,400
>> Certainly.

848
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,000
>> At this point, I think we can have to

849
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,079
move on, but I would agree with you that

850
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:43,520
definitely would have been a budget if

851
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,160
we find out that there's other fun. It

852
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,839
just it makes sense.

853
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:49,839
>> And just to go on record, I agree with

854
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,400
that comment. Definitely that forensic

855
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,520
research should not be halted, but we do

856
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,920
have to continue on and if there are

857
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,240
more funding sources identified to Mr.

858
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,200
problem is the least consideration we

859
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,920
can be responsive to the conditions that

860
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,680
we are presenting the community with

861
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:17,829
financially.

862
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:20,560
Okay, let's move on to

863
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,720
a 56

864
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,430
Bing.

865
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,040
All of us had 20. We received that in

866
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,280
mail

867
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,920
>> and they suggesting that they more like

868
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
a million dollar 1.1 million.

869
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,960
>> So we are $30,000.

870
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,599
So I'm comfortable with $30,000. This is

871
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,119
an estimate.

872
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:45,839
>> So

873
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:48,800
>> I mean $30,000 the recommendation is not

874
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,359
it's not a bad. We're not far apart.

875
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,119
>> Are you saying to leave the 30? I'm

876
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,839
suggesting that we leave the one 1

877
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:56,880
million130.

878
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,480
>> Okay.

879
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,349
>> Cuz we're not far apart.

880
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,720
» I I would caution the other way. I would

881
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,720
need that to be considerate of what

882
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,920
Chief has responded.

883
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,400
>> I think that would be

884
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,319
>> still taking a lot of risk, but I think

885
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,640
that is taking or putting a strong

886
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,240
weight on his comments as well.

887
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,119
I would agree.

888
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:24,000
>> Me too.

889
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
>> We're bringing in 1.1 million across the

890
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,960
board.

891
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,200
>> 910

892
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,000
is what he said.

893
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,839
>> 1.1.

894
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,040
>> Yes.

895
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,359
>> So I'm I'm comfortable flexible to to

896
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,800
bring that down.

897
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,200
>> The compromise. So can you make note of

898
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,240
that please? First line. This one here

899
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,920
making notes. Not the first line. This

900
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,160
is a force change. Um except that I

901
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,920
think in uh

902
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Ripple's email to us,

903
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,480
>> he said he's going to they're going to

904
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,549
try to read the 910

905
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:07,510
» connect

906
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,960
third line from the bottom at the very

907
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,760
beginning. He says I'm comfortable on

908
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:12,160
that.

909
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,520
>> Yeah,

910
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,280
>> I'm okay. because it was one of the only

911
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,400
ones we all agreed on.

912
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,440
>> Okay,

913
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,119
>> good. Thank you.

914
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,839
>> You have one. Everyone is one.

915
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:24,559
>> Yeah.

916
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,040
>> Okay. So, we'll we'll mark it as for

917
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,549
change.

918
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:37,599
» The next line is the parking times.

919
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:43,030
Um,

920
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,520
» some of those are closed, some

921
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,119
>> bar.

922
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,440
>> That one we definitely did notice there

923
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,150
in terms of the changes.

924
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,040
» 340 500 370

925
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,240
>> I think 70 500

926
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:00,880
>> 170.

927
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,640
>> Mhm.

928
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,079
>> Recommendation coming from the police

929
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:11,829
department is to stay at 170. 170.

930
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:19,349
I'm okay with 170,

931
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,440
» but I still think I was really

932
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,880
overestimating the approach that they're

933
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,359
taking and with the system up and

934
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:27,920
running last November,

935
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,160
we've seen today the actual year to date

936
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,880
as of today is 133,000

937
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,559
>> and the program is just up and running

938
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,040
this year and into next year. So the

939
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,839
number is going to be driving up,

940
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:43,599
but they are a couple million dollars of

941
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,790
outstanding

942
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,760
less than 3 years.

943
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,720
>> So they started November 2024 with their

944
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:53,520
program.

945
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,240
>> Yes.

946
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,760
>> And this is not even a year.

947
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,280
>> Yes.

948
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,000
And that's how I'm basing my basing the

949
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,440
conversation I had. Yes. is an

950
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,559
aggressive approach and uh you know

951
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,640
production agency

952
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,960
ramp up um

953
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,040
mailing

954
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,200
so the outstanding games the outstanding

955
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,160
tickets I mean I'm flexible to move my

956
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,760
number down I mean I

957
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,400
>> me too

958
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,119
>> yes

959
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,119
>> I mean I don't have to stay where I am

960
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:31,430
but I think we should know

961
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,359
Well, I think we just need to come up on

962
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:34,880
that particular line. We all had a

963
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,960
different Well, I think uh Mr. Mudarin

964
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,640
and I had the same, right?

965
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,200
>> Yes.

966
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,839
>> But everybody else, let's see. Well, no,

967
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:43,200
two two folks had

968
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,240
>> 170.

969
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:44,640
>> Yeah,

970
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,319
>> I don't have a problem moving down to

971
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:47,839
170.

972
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,240
>> Well, 170 is the um

973
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,200
>> proposed budget.

974
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,400
>> That's what he says here that he's

975
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,440
projected revenues. So if we go over the

976
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,920
170, we're definitely not going with the

977
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,990
recommendation from the PD.

978
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,800
» So it looks like we have to discuss this

979
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,440
one.

980
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,680
>> Yeah, I'm willing to to bring mine down

981
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,430
to

982
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,630
300,000 from 500,000.

983
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,319
That's an increase of 130,000

984
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:35,910
from 300,000. 330,000 on board.

985
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,400
I think that uh you and I, Mr. Mutiver,

986
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,599
were going off the uh what we heard from

987
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:45,520
the presentation. However, um now that

988
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,559
we've gotten the revised

989
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,839
memo today from the police department,

990
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:55,040
I'm questioning myself on putting in

991
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,240
that high a figure. So, um I mean maybe

992
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,079
go. We all are well over that figure uh

993
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,559
in terms of what is being recommended by

994
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,480
the police department. So, I don't know

995
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,630
what are folks feeling

996
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
cuz they're saying 170, right? You find

997
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,960
that one.

998
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,160
>> Yeah.

999
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,880
>> What will be your number?

1000
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,319
>> Well, I mean, I'm going to have to go

1001
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:23,760
down from 500 to either 170. So, I mean,

1002
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,240
I could see maybe 200, but we're still

1003
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,240
then going over the what what they're

1004
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,760
comfortable

1005
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,319
seeing as a as something that we can

1006
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:34,400
collect. I just don't want to, you know,

1007
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,000
inflate something and then not be able

1008
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,319
to make it. So, but I mean, obviously,

1009
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,480
I'm well over I I have to change my

1010
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,920
number. So, I'm interested to hear what

1011
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:52,870
other people say.

1012
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,670
» 500 obviously do it.

1013
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:08,230
Again,

1014
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,000
going back to what they said when they

1015
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,280
presented it,

1016
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,640
>> it sounded like it was going to be

1017
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,800
significantly more.

1018
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,480
>> Mhm.

1019
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,599
>> You could even present the gist analysis

1020
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,319
of how many they had.

1021
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,720
>> Yes. one year, two year, three years,

1022
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,800
and you'll think the millions of dollars

1023
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,240
that the agency is is going to fight for

1024
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,960
over the next year or two.

1025
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,720
>> I mean, I will say that again, I think

1026
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,480
I'm just speaking for myself, but you

1027
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,400
and I might have been in the same um

1028
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,640
thought pattern here, Mr. Mutter, but

1029
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,640
because that was the three years were

1030
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,200
less.

1031
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,760
>> Yes. Um so maybe um

1032
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,680
I mean obviously anything over that is

1033
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,839
going to be re you know like impossible

1034
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:56,079
to collect but they also had a figure

1035
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:01,680
for the six months right Braden was 130

1036
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,760
605

1037
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,319
um I think we were just trying to figure

1038
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,800
out some additional revenue but they're

1039
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,079
now saying that they would be

1040
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,760
comfortable at 170 but

1041
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,200
>> so I'm just trying to see what other

1042
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:15,599
people are

1043
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,839
>> the presentation they talk about um the

1044
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,359
1.2

1045
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,359
>> it was one point yeah 1.2 too.

1046
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,440
>> And it's going to be different uh time

1047
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,119
bracket

1048
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,359
that um the agency is going to start

1049
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,400
sending out notices.

1050
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,319
>> Well, what do other people I mean he and

1051
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,079
I have the same.

1052
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,640
>> I'm I'm going to drop mine to 30,000

1053
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,079
from 500,000.

1054
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,319
>> So that's an increase of 130,000.

1055
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:43,920
>> I can find myself in agreement with

1056
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,000
that. I would say if we're noticing uh

1057
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,520
early on in the year that those

1058
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,760
collections are moving incrementally, I

1059
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,599
think it is incumbent upon us to

1060
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,000
evaluate the efficacy of that collection

1061
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,400
agency because that would mean that

1062
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,520
regardless of what tickets you're

1063
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,760
getting in, you just got to wait out the

1064
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,240
system. I think that is a poor message

1065
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,640
to send because the time that goes into

1066
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,119
place to filing those tickets, you need

1067
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,000
to ensure that collection is equally

1068
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,319
enforced as well. So I think at some

1069
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,240
point we need to evaluate

1070
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,720
how well the collection process is is

1071
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,680
being conducted. I think that is also

1072
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:33,109
that I've been doing that.

1073
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,200
was my original. I increased it

1074
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,720
based on the conversation, but I'm going

1075
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:43,430
to go back down to 300,000.

1076
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,760
I was as well at 100,000 to put it at

1077
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:53,990
270, but I'm comfortable with my 270.

1078
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,960
» Mr. Far, you want 370?

1079
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
>> Certainly. And I think based on, you

1080
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,760
know, the the email we received today,

1081
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,000
um, are we comfortable going down

1082
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
300,000 as well?

1083
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,720
also

1084
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,960
noting that um that we and I think we'll

1085
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,880
run into this as we go through multiple

1086
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,319
lines that there's a point of um some

1087
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:21,760
level of evaluation of

1088
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,359
how efficient some of these things are

1089
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:26,880
being. So I'm okay with 300 in the sake

1090
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,200
of drawing some consensus within reason

1091
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,599
and moving on.

1092
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:32,000
Mr.

1093
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,839
>> Tori, are you okay there?

1094
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:37,520
>> Yes. Miss Patrick,

1095
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,880
>> I I I think 300. I'm okay with going to

1096
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,920
300.

1097
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,720
>> 300. Okay.

1098
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,280
>> Isn't that what everybody's

1099
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,040
>> the majority? The majority are saying

1100
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:47,440
300.

1101
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,440
>> Yeah. The two of us have 500,000 basic

1102
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,000
compensation that would present to us.

1103
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,280
That's how I factor in the number

1104
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,599
>> I'm comfortable dropping it. So overall

1105
00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,760
300,000.

1106
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,640
>> You're good. So, are we making that

1107
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,799
please?

1108
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:10,150
Okay, let's keep moving.

1109
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,359
» Bus

1110
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:12,720
>> patrol. It looks like

1111
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:13,280
>> patrol.

1112
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,200
>> Oops. We made another one. Okay.

1113
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,480
>> Mhm.

1114
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,030
>> Did we all we all agreed on that one?

1115
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,799
» All right. 600

1116
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:25,680
>> 400 plus 200,000 600,000 based on the

1117
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,520
presentation based on the amount of

1118
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,960
planning to give

1119
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,400
>> and based on what we told that um there

1120
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,880
will be some sort of a aggressive

1121
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,000
approach towards um

1122
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,440
to collect these outstanding um tickets.

1123
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,720
>> Thank you. So again um without the law's

1124
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,440
input and Mr.

1125
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,359
Well, Brian just gave us his input that

1126
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:53,520
there's nothing in in place now to even

1127
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,520
work on collect. Well, he told us, but

1128
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,040
it was going to be a long drawn out

1129
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,119
process that may or may not happen in

1130
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,960
2026. Can you collect any

1131
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,319
expected full judgment now? And then

1132
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:09,760
it's it's then if that doesn't generate

1133
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,720
revenue, then we will look to hire in

1134
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,720
conjunction with the bus bus company, a

1135
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,400
collection agency. Cool.

1136
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,280
>> So, but the numbers you have there are

1137
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,359
aggressive numbers. I think the PD is

1138
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:27,119
saying 400. I think if bas default

1139
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,200
judgments, seeing how that goes in the

1140
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,000
hopes that's going to generate some

1141
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,119
money. Um, and then if that doesn't then

1142
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:36,480
we're going to, you know, switch over to

1143
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,920
collections. I think that

1144
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,599
we could be mindful that that this is

1145
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:47,119
not readily that their projections are on the high side, you know, based on

1146
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,799
talking to the PD,

1147
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,559
>> my conversations with the Congress with

1148
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,400
the corporation council and the

1149
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,559
assistant who corporation council

1150
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:58,079
handles these cases. So, I just throw

1151
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,480
that out there for your consideration.

1152
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,720
And if I may go back to based on account

1153
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,160
of the presentation that we had with

1154
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,960
this police department, the initial

1155
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,359
$400,000 in the proposed budget

1156
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:14,880
did not account for the $600,000 of

1157
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,920
outstanding ticket that is associated

1158
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,760
with bus patrol safety. So we have

1159
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,520
$600,000 in unaccounted funds. We took a

1160
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,760
third of that and say and that's do an

1161
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,680
aggressive approach

1162
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,240
to collect a third of that and I think

1163
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,319
that's reasonable

1164
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:35,920
but what we need to do is to put things

1165
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,599
in place don't wait until next year

1166
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,760
starting now put things in place to

1167
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,079
start to go

1168
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,839
and amend or put law in place how do we

1169
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,920
code and start to attract some sort of

1170
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,000
mechanism in place to get to the

1171
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,920
standing violation.

1172
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,040
So 2,000 $200,000 out of the $600,000.

1173
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,789
I don't think it's unreasonable.

1174
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:06,480
Mor

1175
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,480
didn't think it was unreasonable either.

1176
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,599
She was very very very very very very

1177
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:14,000
cautious and she identified that she was

1178
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,040
going to send back some confirmational

1179
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,880
emails there after which I did not think

1180
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,720
we received. Um but the comment was that

1181
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,359
a third of that line would not be too

1182
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,839
overaching which was not taken into

1183
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:30,640
consideration by the police accord

1184
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,670
response

1185
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,400
» six.

1186
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,280
>> Yeah,

1187
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,400
>> Mr. Williams.

1188
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:36,799
>> Yes.

1189
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:40,309
>> Okay.

1190
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:42,480
» Anyone else want to drop theirs?

1191
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,680
>> No. increase theirs.

1192
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,200
>> I think we're all on the same

1193
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,520
>> we all said the same thing on that one.

1194
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,040
>> I mean I will say um my notes from when

1195
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,799
they present it to us says that once the

1196
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,880
ticket is issued then it is the law

1197
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,599
department that has to uh then do the

1198
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,200
rest of the work. So we just have to be

1199
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,400
cognizant of any corresponding expenses

1200
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,760
if we're increasing the rep if we're

1201
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,599
thinking we can increase the revenue

1202
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,599
because even although I'm hearing what

1203
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:15,119
you're saying today that I mean I wonder

1204
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,280
if there's a way that that bus comes

1205
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,680
from you're saying that they might

1206
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,400
assist in this

1207
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,119
>> they want their money as well.

1208
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:26,240
>> They're not collecting.

1209
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,240
>> Okay. In other words, they they're a

1210
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,559
vendor and they're not getting they're

1211
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,710
supposed

1212
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,920
up. So

1213
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,440
>> they they don't get paid until the

1214
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,559
final.

1215
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,799
>> So they have obviously interest

1216
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,040
>> in trying to get that money.

1217
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,480
This this is where it going to come into

1218
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,599
play that this agency with the land

1219
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,319
department need to work in conjunction

1220
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:52,079
and put whatever they need to put in

1221
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,549
place to go after

1222
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:57,119
that.

1223
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,119
>> Thank you. But at this point there's no

1224
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,200
they don't have a collection agency.

1225
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,960
They're trying to recruit one. Correct.

1226
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,880
>> Right now we are just getting default

1227
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,720
judgments from any defaults case. We

1228
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,280
don't have one in place now. the idea to

1229
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,240
get one seeing how it moves forward with

1230
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,799
the defaults and then have a

1231
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:19,520
conversation with

1232
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,559
>> okay think this is a little

1233
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,319
>> I think it's it's it's large because

1234
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:28,319
there's there's a it's it's

1235
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:29,920
not going to be an account receivable in

1236
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,599
other words you get a default judgment

1237
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,039
are they going you know then we have to

1238
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:34,960
enforce the judgment and get it

1239
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,319
collected

1240
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,240
>> and then the same thing with you know

1241
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,160
collections agencies you know collection

1242
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,039
agency reaches out and collects, but

1243
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,280
they also want the fee for their

1244
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,920
services as well. So, as you're going

1245
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,280
through this, I understand where you're

1246
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,319
all coming from. Got it. But, you know,

1247
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:56,160
just be mindful that that figure may be

1248
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,760
on the aggressive side. I understand

1249
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,599
what the corporation council said, but

1250
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,920
I've had further conversations with her

1251
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,720
this afternoon. So, I'm just

1252
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,240
>> Okay. Yeah.

1253
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,000
>> So, so based on your feedback, what do

1254
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,799
we need to put in place in order to move

1255
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:11,280
forward?

1256
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,960
>> I think we should kind of offer that to

1257
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,000
each one of you to do anything.

1258
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,039
>> What What do What do

1259
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,640
What does the law department need to do

1260
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,799
in order to move this forward and put

1261
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:23,599
things in place?

1262
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:25,599
>> No, we don't you don't we're already

1263
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:26,880
getting default judgments.

1264
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,559
>> Okay. We're doing what we we

1265
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,400
>> What do we have to do? So, you you are

1266
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,480
doing the process. We start the process.

1267
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,760
starting the process of getting these

1268
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,839
old

1269
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:37,520
program has now been up and running for

1270
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,839
over a year now. So it's going to be

1271
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,440
mature

1272
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,079
process.

1273
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:44,319
>> So that's

1274
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:46,799
you answer yeah that's a question answer

1275
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,880
what is what needs to get done in order

1276
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,160
to get the stick.

1277
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,400
>> So I have a question.

1278
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,880
>> Yes. Right.

1279
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,280
So you go to the court to give you the

1280
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,480
fault judgment. Yeah.

1281
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,359
>> And at any point does the law department

1282
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,079
try to then you know collect the or are

1283
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,960
you recommending that it's an outside

1284
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,039
agency tries to do it.

1285
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,359
>> Let's see what we can do internally

1286
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:18,160
first. I think that's the plan before we

1287
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,640
go to an outside agency because like I

1288
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,400
said, if we're going to an outside

1289
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,559
agency, we're going to have to partner

1290
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,200
with the vendor on this. And if we're

1291
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,200
doing it ourselves

1292
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,000
there, you know, it's we're doing it.

1293
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,079
We'll get the money. We still have to

1294
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:37,280
give the money to the vendor, but

1295
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,880
collection agency, you got to pay the

1296
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,599
collection. And just to add to that

1297
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,119
because we looking at the wall

1298
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:46,240
department there is a request to um add

1299
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,880
a staff member. So you know that's going to increase the staff.

1300
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,520
>> Yeah we have and now that we're getting

1301
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,520
the the other additional tickets from

1302
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,520
the speed. It's another burden on the department to

1303
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,400
prosecute. It's the are issued but then

1304
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,720
they have to be processed with the

1305
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,520
system.

1306
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,920
Uh,

1307
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,520
Mr. Chairman, so I'm comfortable staying

1308
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,359
out where where I'm at based on the fact

1309
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:19,920
that those $600,000 that's old. I think

1310
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,319
that a third is the have an expectation

1311
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:27,359
of us collecting a third I think is

1312
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,520
pretty reasonable. That's was the basis

1313
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,559
of my uh I got and that's why I'm

1314
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,880
comfortable staying there. So let me go

1315
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,000
back to the delinquent they consult the

1316
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,920
use consultant

1317
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,920
um the collection agency that we have

1318
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,760
for the delinquent parking we don't pay

1319
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,000
them any money they attach a s charge to

1320
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,400
each of these uh the g so I'm guessing

1321
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,400
it will be the same here for the bus

1322
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,400
patrol

1323
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,599
more likely it would be the same so

1324
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:55,920
we're not losing um

1325
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,559
>> is that or we didn't have to pay

1326
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,119
bus patrol because bus has a different

1327
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,200
set of legislation that created it

1328
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,559
That's for that. The corporation council

1329
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:05,839
told us that she was going to look into

1330
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:08,160
that they might able to use digitalize

1331
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,160
them to help collect this something like

1332
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,200
that. Like I said earlier when we're

1333
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,000
dealing with parking tickets that's us

1334
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,240
>> part dealing with a vendor we have to

1335
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,480
work with

1336
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,960
the law to enable that legislation as

1337
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,319
well as dealing with them.

1338
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,799
So we'll see what we can do.

1339
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,920
>> Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. In in further

1340
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,839
conversations with Miss Bash this

1341
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:39,119
afternoon, corporation council, she was

1342
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:41,839
not as comfortable with her initial

1343
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:43,520
>> that was my understanding. Yes.

1344
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,559
>> Okay.

1345
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,880
>> Thank you for say that's why it's

1346
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,240
important for those individuals to be

1347
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,839
present at these meetings.

1348
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:54,559
But sincerely having from the source is

1349
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,960
imperial to myself making the best

1350
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,880
informed decision. Unfortunately, I can

1351
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,720
go off the last conversation that I

1352
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,960
heard from her taking consideration your

1353
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,920
feedback.

1354
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,680
>> Okay, no problem.

1355
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,760
>> That's okay. On our numbers were based

1356
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,839
on the conversation that they had we had

1357
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,079
with the corporation council.

1358
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,079
>> So that's how we can like okay let's

1359
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,400
we're comfortable like 200,000 increase

1360
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,600
it 200,000 across based on based on the

1361
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,759
conversation we had

1362
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:22,159
>> right

1363
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,080
>> with several individuals. I'm saying she

1364
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,759
didn't revis those comments went to the

1365
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:27,920
next meeting on Thursday. She couldn't

1366
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,669
make tonight's meeting.

1367
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:33,679
» Those things those those things should

1368
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:35,679
have communicated to all of us. If if

1369
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:38,080
any individual or department head had a

1370
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
change in mind,

1371
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,759
they should have communicated that to

1372
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:44,239
the entire council or if not to the

1373
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:49,430
mayor and could have passed on to us.

1374
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:51,359
I'm I'm sticking with my 200,000 because

1375
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,400
I'm confident that I'm sure it's more

1376
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:00,229
than $600,000 hopefully.

1377
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,600
» Yes. Did you say you cover with that or

1378
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:08,870
>> Yes.

1379
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,640
» We don't have

1380
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,400
>> What do you want to do? You're

1381
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,319
>> I'll bring it down 100,000. I'm not

1382
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,279
comfortable with leaving 200. Okay.

1383
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:18,960
Can we make notes, please?

1384
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,719
>> So, you'd be at 500.

1385
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:21,279
>> Go ahead. Yeah.

1386
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,319
>> You'd be at 500 instead of 600.

1387
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,920
>> Okay. Thanks. Uh, Miss Patrick,

1388
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,640
>> I'm going to stay with 600 for now.

1389
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,080
>> Mr. Safari, did you say

1390
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,520
>> unless everybody else wants to go to

1391
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,279
500? I'm willing to go down.

1392
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,880
>> No, I was I'm very comfortable with

1393
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,199
third.

1394
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:42,799
>> The next item, we don't have to do

1395
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:45,359
anything.

1396
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,640
>> We'll figure that out.

1397
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,279
>> What? Yeah. And we there's only a few of

1398
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:50,400
us that have.3

1399
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,120
>> million.

1400
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:51,839
>> Yeah.

1401
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:54,159
>> The next one is a sale of house. We have

1402
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,800
numbers all over the place here.

1403
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:02,000
>> Well, actually, let's see. Um one, two.

1404
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,400
>> So,

1405
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:10,320
a million M 500

1406
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,910
m

1407
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,159
500.

1408
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,280
Again, we talked about this one um

1409
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,239
several times and I was definitely

1410
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:25,360
looking um based on my experience on the

1411
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,440
you know with property management

1412
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,480
committee but also um where we're at

1413
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,800
already this year with only I mean we

1414
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,120
only have two meetings left. So it's

1415
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,800
unlikely that we're going to be able to

1416
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,080
increase too too much more than what the

1417
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,679
year to date is. But I have to go back

1418
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:43,199
and look at the year to date again. I

1419
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,560
think the year only takes you through

1420
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,920
when September though, right?

1421
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,840
>> It it does, but I don't know if it's

1422
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,400
saying any October, November, December.

1423
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,120
So, tomorrow I think is October.

1424
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,880
>> Today, I'm still at 1.5.

1425
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,239
>> 1.5.

1426
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,000
>> Okay. Thank you. So, we're at 1.5.

1427
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Um,

1428
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,679
>> well, you have to factor in also the

1429
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,800
house that is coming

1430
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,840
to be closed.

1431
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,640
>> I I I think it'd be difficult. I mean, I

1432
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,080
don't know. I'd like to hear from you

1433
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,080
guys, but I think we'll end 2025.

1434
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,719
What did you just say we were at now?

1435
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:19,679
>> 1.5.

1436
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:22,719
I mean,

1437
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:25,600
how much do you think we usually do per

1438
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,120
um

1439
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,560
>> I don't even think we'll get to two. We

1440
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,480
won't even probably get to 2 million.

1441
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,000
>> No, I'm talking about this year.

1442
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,080
>> This year, maybe I don't know.

1443
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,520
million I don't know the next few months

1444
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,360
dependent we actually receive

1445
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,239
our software

1446
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:49,760
>> that's what I was being conservative

1447
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,679
about just based on my experience

1448
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,840
the last couple years the last few years

1449
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,239
you may have lost

1450
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:02,400
so we had the sales of homes so for the

1451
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,080
failures at a million increase myself a

1452
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,000
million increase Mr. Farley at 500,000

1453
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,760
increase Mr. Toro and Patrick at zero

1454
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:19,270
increase and you at 500,000

1455
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,400
» are you comfortable at that number party

1456
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,640
and civilians

1457
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:36,310
bord

1458
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,880
I think a response here regarding the

1459
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,600
housing revenue of budget out 3

1460
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,440
million.4 million as previously

1461
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,480
suggested. Council for brief on this

1462
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,239
matter by the director of development

1463
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,320
who confirmed that's $3 million figure

1464
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:57,189
in the man proposed budget is realistic.

1465
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,000
» That's carried is $3 million now. So

1466
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,640
that doesn't take into account

1467
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,960
paying 15%

1468
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,520
commission to the railers. There's some

1469
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,120
title work, other closing cost. So the

1470
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,360
$3 million represents

1471
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,960
the

1472
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,920
million450,3

1473
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,760
million sales.

1474
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,840
>> Okay. But the title the title already

1475
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,000
budget under

1476
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,560
title cost.

1477
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,480
So

1478
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:40,709
it's under there.

1479
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:42,400
Mr. Toro, what what were you just

1480
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,199
reading out for?

1481
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:44,640
>> That is a letter. That is a letter.

1482
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:45,280
Everybody

1483
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,360
>> No, I know. I'm just I'm trying to go

1484
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,480
through my stuff.

1485
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,840
>> It's It's a package that we just

1486
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,400
received.

1487
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,640
>> Okay.

1488
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,560
>> Everyone has a copy of this and we went

1489
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,520
through it.

1490
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,400
>> Oh. Oh, I was using mine as a ruler.

1491
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,990
Sorry.

1492
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,360
That's why I couldn't find it.

1493
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:19,189
>> Oh, yeah. I see. 3 million. Yep.

1494
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:21,600
» We have to kind

1495
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,430
of on that then.

1496
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,360
» Are you looking to put a number there?

1497
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,960
>> I'm staying with my 3 million on that

1498
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,880
one. Just based on what I just said in

1499
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,360
terms of my past years experience. No.

1500
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,600
I'm sorry. I'm laughing.

1501
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,280
>> We have to come to an agreement.

1502
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,199
>> Well, I know, but I just I mean other

1503
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,360
folks are, you know, let's see what

1504
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,480
everybody else says.

1505
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,800
>> It's right across there.

1506
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,080
>> 44 35.

1507
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,760
Anybody else interested in changing

1508
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,719
their number based on the recommendation

1509
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,960
that is on the memo I was using as my

1510
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,920
ruler?

1511
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,199
>> The director of development is

1512
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,679
recommending 3 million

1513
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:09,350
Anybody

1514
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,120
say

1515
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,760
previous points and earlier I think he

1516
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,560
did not disagree with Mr. Woodberry

1517
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,760
comments he was just not as overly

1518
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,480
zealous

1519
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:23,360
Mr.

1520
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,320
account outstanding for outstanding

1521
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,320
foreclosure lists potential sales of two

1522
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,400
large properties which we anticipate

1523
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,640
closing out

1524
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,560
those we contribute to the next fiscal

1525
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:42,870
year. So I think with that I bought 3.5

1526
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,000
» I can support 3.5

1527
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,390
>> moving it from

1528
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,510
» taking

1529
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,320
down to 7 million 500 for you

1530
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:11,110
>> Mr. party time to staying at 500.

1531
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:17,189
» I'm I'm fine bringing mine now

1532
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,950
to 500,000.

1533
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:37,669
Can you get all of that, please?

1534
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:42,000
enter. No. Okay. Okay. Let's move next

1535
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:49,830
mortgage and banks.

1536
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,040
» We have one, two, three,

1537
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,760
>> four.

1538
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,800
asking for an increase of 450.

1539
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,199
The two members, sorry, one member of

1540
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:10,709
100 and one 50.

1541
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:21,270
Any changes to this?

1542
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,400
» Your number.

1543
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,000
>> Okay.

1544
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,760
Good with your number here. I am. Yeah.

1545
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:26,159
>> Okay.

1546
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,760
>> Thank you,

1547
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,679
>> Miss Porter. Field.

1548
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:30,480
>> Mhm.

1549
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,520
>> Almost set.

1550
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,760
>> Is it good? Mr. Williams,

1551
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,480
>> you good?

1552
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:37,120
>> Yes.

1553
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,960
>> So, it would be 1.4, right?

1554
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,920
>> Yes. Um, the next one is on casino. I

1555
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,640
think it's a slam across the board.

1556
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,790
>> The align with the 1.160

1557
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,520
» everyone.

1558
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,080
>> Mhm.

1559
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,640
And

1560
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
fun balance is based on how much

1561
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,760
adjustment we've made. Then we'll adjust

1562
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:14,229
that line accordingly.

1563
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:19,430
Okay. So we can move into expense.

1564
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,199
We do have a

1565
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,159
But if you have any

1566
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:42,149
additional

1567
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:43,440
you striking out

1568
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,440
>> I'm sorry we're I'm sorry I was going to

1569
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:46,880
put a piece of paper while I was trying

1570
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:47,840
to get out of my side.

1571
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,960
>> You mention striking out. Yes, I'm I I I

1572
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,199
was I we I want to take that out that

1573
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,360
council member thing. I was

1574
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,040
>> misunders I had misunderstood the

1575
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,239
original.

1576
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,080
>> So please let's take that out.

1577
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,189
>> Mhm.

1578
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,120
» And that should be zero.

1579
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,480
>> Mhm.

1580
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,000
Um

1581
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,550
a 1413

1582
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:14,640
to

1583
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,320
>> field

1584
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,920
the budget

1585
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,840
>> based on our prior conversations.

1586
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,840
>> Yep. And I have to support this because

1587
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,199
we gladly need this in this city for

1588
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:33,590
some employees.

1589
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,080
Do we have support for this board?

1590
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,199
>> Yes,

1591
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:41,830
>> everyone. Thank you,

1592
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,159
» Miss Michael.

1593
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:54,950
Commissioner, please make

1594
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,270
the next one. Um,

1595
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:05,199
» see, sorry. Yeah. Wow. 1621.

1596
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:07,600
Mr. Toro, you add it.

1597
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,120
>> You were adding this ad.

1598
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:09,440
>> Mhm.

1599
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:12,080
>> It was an ad for one in streets and one

1600
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:19,750
in

1601
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,560
» Do you have notes?

1602
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,560
>> The other one is

1603
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,600
go back into your sheet.

1604
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,480
>> But I'm interested.

1605
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,800
>> You can go back to your sheet.

1606
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:34,070
>> I'm interested in what Mr. Williams. Um,

1607
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,440
» yeah, there were some members back and

1608
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:37,120
forth

1609
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,640
>> proposed

1610
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,679
into Mr. Lance.

1611
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,280
>> He's he's down below though, I think.

1612
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,280
>> No, no, no.

1613
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,600
What about moving some um temporary into

1614
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:49,840
uh

1615
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,880
>> Oh, yes. Moving some to snap,

1616
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,360
>> right? Streets of Snap. Yes, that's who

1617
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,320
it was. So, what what is it? So that's

1618
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:03,040
converting seasonal uh one line half of

1619
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,400
that converting into actual position. So

1620
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,520
clear line half and creating two uh

1621
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,600
labor positions.

1622
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,320
>> So it would probably be two that that I

1623
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,880
would put in

1624
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:22,239
>> two labor voters in that position.

1625
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:22,880
>> So

1626
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:28,630
>> are you in trash or you sleep and snap?

1627
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,560
Um I believe those positions were in

1628
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,320
>> our positions that were

1629
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:42,470
21

1630
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,120
days.

1631
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,840
>> It was delayed because I I I do like

1632
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,320
that idea,

1633
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,920
>> right?

1634
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:58,960
public authority said that you have that change is only $52,000 that can't

1635
01:21:58,960 --> 01:21:59,600
position

1636
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,840
>> but different number

1637
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,229
>> there were two there were one

1638
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:14,310
1215

1639
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:15,040
» oh right

1640
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,229
>> it goes down like 5110 and 8161

1641
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:20,719
» right

1642
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:24,400
>> so That's right. Staff the one in

1643
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,280
street.

1644
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,040
>> Okay. So, what line talking about right

1645
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:27,360
now?

1646
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,239
>> We're on a 1621

1647
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:31,199
121,

1648
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:31,679
>> right?

1649
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:32,719
>> It's up here someplace.

1650
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:36,950
>> Okay. Cuz then we started talking

1651
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,800
that

1652
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,800
one is that

1653
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,280
both those positions were are funded in

1654
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:57,510
the in the

1655
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,120
But I would like to hear more from Mr.

1656
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,480
Williams.

1657
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,719
>> I mean, he said it, but I don't think

1658
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:05,679
he's got a good

1659
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,840
>> Well, doesn't have anything on this one.

1660
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:08,560
>> No, I know.

1661
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,080
>> It was one of the other ones, I think.

1662
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:17,910
>> No, I know. I just heard that, but

1663
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,520
So, Mr. Tor, what would you like to do

1664
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,480
with this one here?

1665
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,120
>> Would you like to keep this position?

1666
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,760
>> It's a one one year.

1667
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,639
>> So, stay at your expense of 316722.

1668
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:33,679
Mr. Toro,

1669
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:34,639
>> I'm sorry.

1670
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:38,239
>> Do you want to stay with the 263935

1671
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,080
or do you want to add the new one? So

1672
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,920
that would be figures 316722

1673
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,239
on that line. Is that what you want to

1674
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:47,600
stay with?

1675
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,800
>> Wait, just one position

1676
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:51,840
>> at 52.

1677
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,229
>> Add one position. Yep.

1678
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,719
» So no. So basically nobody else was

1679
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:00,880
making changes. Mine mine is actually

1680
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,920
just the same. We we all kind of handled

1681
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,480
this differently in terms of putting our

1682
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:08,719
recommendations. So mine is just

1683
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:11,920
actually keeping a set the same which is

1684
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,520
263935.

1685
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,600
Just wanted to clarify that.

1686
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,280
>> But everybody else must have also just

1687
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,199
wanted to keep it the same. Correct.

1688
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:22,239
>> Right. Unless there's something in which

1689
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:23,280
there isn't.

1690
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,560
>> But this is a new hive.

1691
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:33,270
>> Huh?

1692
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,280
» So we took Okay. So we took that out

1693
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,600
somewhere. So it it it creates a new

1694
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,199
hire and all of us are on the same page

1695
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,800
to completely decrease the hiring for

1696
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,600
next year.

1697
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,159
>> My mistake.

1698
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:47,840
>> So yeah, so

1699
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,239
>> we want to align the domain to give

1700
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:51,920
opportunity

1701
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,000
to realign the budget and kind of like

1702
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,480
>> you know and if we were to say okay

1703
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,159
we're saying supporting the freedom

1704
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,239
we're asking now.

1705
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,320
>> I'm perfectly fine with that sort of Can

1706
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,470
I have a checkbook?

1707
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:10,800
» I'll give it to the mayor. Thanks. Give

1708
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,719
it to us.

1709
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,239
>> So, we're sticking we're sticking with

1710
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:17,430
2639

1711
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:18,480
to

1712
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:21,990
>> Okay.

1713
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,600
» Next one. Um,

1714
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,159
>> you have to raise 52,000.

1715
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,040
Then

1716
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,880
>> Miss Patrick, you're asking the

1717
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,639
>> I was trying to cut some expenses

1718
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:35,280
basically. Um, so I'm happy to stay at

1719
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,440
the 170 if everybody else is, but I was

1720
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:40,719
trying to save us some money.

1721
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:43,679
>> You have what? What?

1722
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:45,920
>> Well, hold on. I have to look up the

1723
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,600
year to date. But what I'm saying is I

1724
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,080
was just trying to cut $20,000 from that

1725
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,080
line, but I'm sure I based it on year to

1726
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,199
date, but just look it up.

1727
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:54,639
>> You did. I remember that.

1728
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:57,040
>> Well, look at it. I mean, we can realign

1729
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:57,600
me.

1730
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,760
>> I'm happy if everybody else is at 170.

1731
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,159
I'll I'll go to 170. I was

1732
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:03,040
>> No, no. you

1733
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,360
>> I was just trying to save us some

1734
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:06,480
things.

1735
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:09,120
>> Let me just see here. 1622.

1736
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,639
>> Look at the notes on this realign.

1737
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:14,800
>> If it's if it's something that we can

1738
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,800
consider across the board, we will

1739
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,480
>> Year to date is, let me just get to the

1740
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,880
right place. Year to date, again, I know

1741
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,480
that this is end of September. We were

1742
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:30,080
at having spent about $100,000.

1743
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,400
>> Okay. Um,

1744
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,480
so

1745
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:38,000
our budget was $200,000 last year. So I

1746
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,960
mean I'm happy to go to 170, but

1747
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,520
everybody else was at 170, right?

1748
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:44,880
>> No, we didn't we didn't we didn't make

1749
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,000
any changes,

1750
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,040
>> right? So it would stay at 17 saying if

1751
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,560
what a lot of members think we can

1752
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,159
realign with the

1753
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:56,480
>> based on what Miss Patrick I remember

1754
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,639
that conversation where she was going

1755
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,480
based on the year to date um I didn't

1756
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,480
think that $20,000

1757
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:06,719
of a drastic reductions I think that it

1758
01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:10,880
I'd be comfortable going to um

1759
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,750
>> Miss Patrick's 150

1760
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:16,960
Yes, Mrs.

1761
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,400
>> Thank you. I'm just saying looking at

1762
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,239
past Well, you 2023 was $166,000.

1763
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:26,560
2024 was 130 actual. Um I mean the

1764
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,639
proposed budget, it did already take

1765
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:32,000
$30,000 off of the 200,000 that was

1766
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,480
adopted. Um I mean we just don't know

1767
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,080
how much going to be.

1768
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,400
>> So I I mean I'm happy to be at the 170.

1769
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,480
So, it's all, you know, I'm happy to

1770
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:43,360
change my my recommendation. It's only

1771
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,320
20 I mean, I was only saving us $20,000.

1772
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:47,120
So,

1773
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,960
>> $20,000

1774
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,600
behalf of someone's um salary.

1775
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,880
>> In the next in the next page, we're

1776
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,320
going to be talking about compensations.

1777
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,199
And I think based on um Mr. Turk, could

1778
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,440
you read those last two?

1779
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,800
>> 2023 was 166

1780
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:07,120
>> Uhhuh. 700,000 166,741

1781
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,199
2024 was only 130,835

1782
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:15,199
adopted in in 25 was 200,000. We're only

1783
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:19,120
at 100,000 but is 170 again.

1784
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,880
>> Yeah, that's I think that was a good

1785
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,920
calculation you made.

1786
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,239
>> Yeah, I would have said

1787
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:27,920
I don't think it's reasonable to drop it

1788
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,480
by $20,000. I think

1789
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:36,070
>> it's small.

1790
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:41,590
No, it was a good justification.

1791
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,440
» I think it's good justification. If I

1792
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:50,310
get your name again, please

1793
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,000
» I have to go back and find it again. I'm

1794
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,239
sorry. Um 1622 460.

1795
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,669
>> She got it.

1796
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:02,320
» It was 99869.

1797
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,880
So I said 100,000 at the end of

1798
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,960
September. So you better imagine that

1799
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,639
there'd be more. Oh, do you guys have

1800
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:10,320
today's year to date?

1801
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,000
>> 46.

1802
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,110
>> Oh,

1803
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,470
yep.

1804
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,040
» So that would make it like 150,000.

1805
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,239
>> Yeah, that's actually that's probably

1806
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,159
>> solid.

1807
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:28,800
>> How many people bring down that? So

1808
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:39,910
negative $20 on 120 150.

1809
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,679
» Anybody else have any change?

1810
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:45,440
Sorry, you have none.

1811
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:46,800
>> No.

1812
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,159
>> You're staying at zero.

1813
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:50,960
>> No, it's fine. Yeah.

1814
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,000
>> 150. Yeah.

1815
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:57,830
>> Okay. So, everyone is at 150.

1816
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,040
We all make same

1817
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,480
>> please make those.

1818
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,280
>> Okay.

1819
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,120
>> The next one is contingency and this

1820
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,719
where you can back and forward with CDK.

1821
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:17,669
So

1822
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:21,120
» I would ask him for this one based on um

1823
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,360
allow to get some information from his

1824
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,320
department heads and we can revisit this

1825
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,320
one because if they are ill and allowed

1826
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,719
then we'll need to realign this line to

1827
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:32,719
go back to the demo to the mayor's

1828
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:35,600
proposed 400,000 from the demo point and

1829
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,520
free up the $200,000 to pay those demo

1830
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,760
invoice that they're doing the recon

1831
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,719
issue.

1832
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:47,120
>> I also asked on this contingency line

1833
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:52,080
that for a year to date what did

1834
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,480
what actually came out of it. Um my

1835
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,719
understanding of initiative have

1836
01:30:56,719 --> 01:30:58,480
explanation was it wasn't just

1837
01:30:58,480 --> 01:30:59,920
demolition there were other things that

1838
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,120
came out that so I asked for a

1839
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,320
breakdown. Yeah. Okay. breakdown of what

1840
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:13,350
came out of the line that we didn't.

1841
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,360
» This was this was today's memo. Miss

1842
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,960
Porterfield, did we get something today?

1843
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:26,070
>> Oh,

1844
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:34,070
thank you.

1845
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,080
So based on

1846
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:44,790
Dan's following two 282 no 501

1847
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,360
I see in three demolitions is that

1848
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,040
correct?

1849
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:54,800
So there are three

1850
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,040
downloads I believe

1851
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,960
uh you have four monitoring there's no

1852
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,800
development

1853
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,800
uh there is a software

1854
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,030
send

1855
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,360
unified communications

1856
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,800
then there is a small adjustment uh

1857
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,070
state treasury

1858
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,159
So the commissioner um

1859
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:28,159
why are we being UCCC out of this out of

1860
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,239
the contingency

1861
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,239
and also why are we paying settlement

1862
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:35,600
out of this one when we had when we had

1863
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,159
money set aside under the lottery for

1864
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:40,639
claims and things like that

1865
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,880
>> unique personnel matter within the

1866
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,600
police department

1867
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:46,080
session

1868
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,000
>> we have to go Executive session

1869
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,639
and we had a special presentation after

1870
01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:57,600
chief was here during the summer.

1871
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,159
>> Okay.

1872
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:03,590
>> It was kind of unique situation

1873
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,199
we going see we would have to go in the

1874
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:16,950
details. I'm just trying to refresh

1875
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,440
this discuss

1876
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,600
sometime

1877
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,040
this year. It was it was probably during

1878
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:32,310
the sexual council resolution. Yes.

1879
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,960
» Okay. So, we don't need to we can just

1880
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,600
refresh oursel with

1881
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,000
No, I just want to ask I thought it went

1882
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,750
through.

1883
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,280
» Yeah,

1884
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,639
>> Mr. Chair. So, you're saying in order

1885
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:48,560
for us to get an explanation of why it

1886
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,000
came out of where it came out of, we'd

1887
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,280
have to go into executive session for

1888
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:52,159
that.

1889
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:53,760
>> I wouldn't really have to give, you

1890
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,840
know, name the names really go into the

1891
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,120
details. Okay. What that was all about.

1892
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,719
>> No, no, we don't need to get we don't

1893
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:02,719
need to get in the specific. So, why?

1894
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:04,480
Because they were discussing claims. We

1895
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:08,159
approved it. Why he wasn't draw from the

1896
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:15,669
money?

1897
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:17,600
» Okay.

1898
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,629
And then we talked about the UCCCL

1899
01:34:22,639 --> 01:34:26,320
UCC. Um I believe that's for the police

1900
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,480
department.

1901
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:30,080
Um

1902
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,000
I don't know why there would must have

1903
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,400
been an increase uh full records for

1904
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,760
this payment. Um the council would like

1905
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,679
more clarification

1906
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:43,199
that I didn't see exactly what

1907
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:46,080
they came out of this account

1908
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,000
>> because we have we have a separate line.

1909
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,000
So set aside. So you're saying that

1910
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,750
I don't understand

1911
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:07,350
2024.

1912
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:26,310
Anything

1913
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,880
else with regards to the contingency?

1914
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:36,149
>> No, just I was looking to do the uh

1915
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:40,320
demolition. So that total out of this

1916
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,520
is $169,300.

1917
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:48,310
So

1918
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:54,070
talking about $200,000.

1919
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,560
Okay, they keep moving. So we'll reserve

1920
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:01,430
that and come back to the on

1921
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:04,400
senior program

1922
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,920
across the board. Anybody's

1923
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,790
pulling out that party as well?

1924
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,229
» Okay.

1925
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:18,560
Um the next going to ask administrative

1926
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,040
expense.

1927
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,480
Mr. Williams

1928
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,920
so that we can realign with you and

1929
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,360
>> I'm sorry. Can I interrupt for one

1930
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,560
second? Mr. Williams, I missed. Are we

1931
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,800
staying at um what are we saying for

1932
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,280
contingency? I'm sorry.

1933
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,040
>> No contingency.

1934
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,679
>> We'll wait some. Okay. Thank you.

1935
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:42,960
>> The department.

1936
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,040
>> Okay. Sorry, I just missed the final.

1937
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,760
>> So, it will not be it would it would be

1938
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,600
uh it wouldn't be productive for us. So,

1939
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,920
>> Yep. No, you can keep moving. I just

1940
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,520
missed that. Whatever information that

1941
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,760
we receive, we will have to back that up

1942
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,679
and go over the mayor's proposed.

1943
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:58,159
>> Mhm.

1944
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,639
>> And free up the CDBG money to pay for

1945
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:03,760
the those

1946
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,320
hopefully enough.

1947
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:07,920
>> So 3120

1948
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,520
>> 3120

1949
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,760
on those lines as the conversations are

1950
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,520
on the table

1951
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,119
uh continue. I think there are drawing

1952
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:18,719
applications with the department

1953
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,520
function with the overtime line that

1954
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,159
they are proposed to have. I would like

1955
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:26,960
to remove that request.

1956
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:31,750
Okay.

1957
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,199
» So we'll strike those out.

1958
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:37,510
>> Mhm.

1959
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:43,270
um

1960
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,360
in service trading EMS cease for

1961
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,520
service.

1962
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,280
>> Yeah, I just I just was basically

1963
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,800
staying

1964
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:51,040
here.

1965
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,040
>> Yeah, just staying with the 144, I

1966
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:53,360
guess.

1967
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:54,159
>> Yeah, that's not

1968
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:55,520
>> But is everybody else just staying with

1969
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,440
the 144 also? Is that why those lines

1970
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:58,320
are blank?

1971
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:58,880
>> Yes.

1972
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,960
>> Okay, thank you. Yeah, this is next year

1973
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,040
when we do this, we have to make sure

1974
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,360
we're all doing it the same way in terms

1975
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:06,400
of how we're putting in our

1976
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:07,920
recommendations.

1977
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,560
>> Yeah. And that's what keep asking

1978
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,639
because as soon as we get this, they

1979
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,639
gone to the department, they plug the

1980
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:16,639
numbers and back, but not having that

1981
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:18,960
information. Now they're

1982
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,880
we're doing the work that we're supposed

1983
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,719
to do since last week. Dog shelter.

1984
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:26,159
>> No, wait. I didn't understand what you

1985
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,239
were just saying. I did do all my work

1986
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:29,840
to be able to put these recommendations.

1987
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,760
>> Yes, I understand. But keep asking if

1988
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,920
you want to open submit your

1989
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,920
recommendation. We're here doing

1990
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,360
recommendation now. Um, so let's go.

1991
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,760
Let's keep going. Dog shelter. There's a

1992
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:47,350
recommendation there for $10,000.

1993
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:53,199
» I can recall who um they were actively

1994
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:56,880
seeking grants to help this program.

1995
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:01,440
Yeah, I think uh kind of

1996
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:03,920
really aggressive and maybe the balance,

1997
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,199
but I'm not sure why. What would $10,000

1998
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:08,880
do in terms of helping?

1999
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,400
>> Hold on. I just want to see what is in

2000
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,840
the um budget.

2001
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,400
>> Matching the requirement for some of the

2002
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:17,520
grants.

2003
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:22,950
>> Hold on. 45 47.

2004
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,920
There's proposed 10,000.

2005
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,440
>> Again, I was just sticking with the

2006
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:30,880
proposed budget, which is 10,000, but

2007
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:31,760
nobody else.

2008
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,119
>> See what I'm saying? Like, we all just

2009
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:34,719
had a different way of putting in our

2010
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:36,239
recommendations. This was just something

2011
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:37,760
that I wanted

2012
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,480
>> the column that the column is correct in

2013
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:42,800
2026 proposal and the column on to the

2014
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:43,920
left.

2015
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,719
>> It has zero.

2016
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:49,280
>> That's why I thought that was an ad.

2017
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,040
>> No, sorry. I'm just keeping it at the

2018
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,119
mayoral budget. $10,000.

2019
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:54,719
>> So, we just need to

2020
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:55,520
>> strike that out.

2021
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,199
>> Strike it out here.

2022
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:58,960
>> Again, like I said, I'm just going to

2023
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:00,320
reiterate that we all did it

2024
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,040
differently.

2025
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,119
>> Yes. So, we're

2026
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,520
>> I'm writing same on my own notes. Okay.

2027
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,360
>> We're all in favor of keeping that and

2028
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,080
then can we use mention matching grants

2029
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,480
to help with the

2030
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:14,000
>> next line because of the high ranking

2031
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,880
freeze. We'll scratch that. Please tell

2032
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,600
me you're going to get checked

2033
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:20,400
on sign that

2034
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,280
>> and mine was just saying same as the

2035
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,040
budget. So we're okay there.

2036
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,719
>> Yes. So we're striking out these because

2037
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:27,679
of

2038
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:29,440
>> striking out new tutorials.

2039
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:31,040
>> Yeah. the entire

2040
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,920
>> we're saying that we would like to see

2041
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,239
CL put on hold

2042
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,159
>> and then the other one nobody nobody

2043
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:42,320
>> we talk about this u we are aligning

2044
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:43,840
with the may in terms of the hiring

2045
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,320
freeze and that should do any hiring in

2046
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,920
2023 it doesn't mean that we have to

2047
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,040
hire people

2048
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:51,199
>> we can always revisit so the may always

2049
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:53,679
come back to the council the proposal to

2050
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,320
re budget reappropriation and if there's

2051
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,880
a need for to hire someone

2052
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,520
>> that is That is not get done. Things can

2053
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,480
always be adjusted and uh move forward

2054
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:07,360
and putting people in places.

2055
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,440
>> So again, that's just sticking with the

2056
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,880
mayoral budget.

2057
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:13,280
>> Yeah.

2058
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:14,719
>> Okay.

2059
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,400
>> Oh, this was me again just trying to

2060
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,320
find some money. So I was taking away

2061
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:23,360
one of the uh two code officers.

2062
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:24,800
>> And Mr. Williams, you probably were

2063
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,790
taking two, right?

2064
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,880
But those those position are not

2065
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,159
>> they're vacant.

2066
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:35,920
>> Well, there are vacancies there. If I

2067
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,679
can recruit people, I'm going to hire

2068
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:40,400
them for those slots. So,

2069
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:41,440
>> all right.

2070
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:43,760
>> Me, too. I was basing it on how many

2071
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,880
people were um budgeted in I'd have to

2072
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,239
go back and look, but I'm pretty sure

2073
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:52,719
that it was it was budgeted in 2025

2074
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:55,840
for X number of um folks, but we only

2075
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,080
have the five. So, I was just going down

2076
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,239
based on what we currently had, but I

2077
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:03,760
knew that actually this is a very

2078
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,480
important position. Uh so, I'm happy to

2079
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:10,480
take out my reduction. Miss Williams say

2080
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:14,149
you

2081
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:19,430
budgeted for 10.

2082
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,679
» I agree with the mayor highlighting this

2083
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:24,159
is a very vital positioning city.

2084
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,800
>> I think the only

2085
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,520
actuality was five enforcement officers

2086
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,480
this year. So

2087
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:34,960
big number five vacancies on five

2088
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,360
vacancies from now into next year.

2089
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,280
That's an aggressive highway.

2090
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,280
>> And I believe I I can align with Mr.

2091
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,040
Williams on that. I believe uh when

2092
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,719
we're having these conversations um uh I

2093
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,280
believe uh Mr. Trimson said that we just

2094
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,520
got we just got to five and we asked him

2095
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,520
historically he says it's the first time

2096
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:54,960
that he's been to five.

2097
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:55,280
>> Yes.

2098
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,920
>> So I think that that's

2099
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,360
removing two of those position is

2100
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,320
feasible.

2101
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:09,600
>> Go back to Patrick. So, you remove your recommendation.

2102
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,840
>> I'm just Can I just look really quickly

2103
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,480
at um my notes here that I took when Mr.

2104
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,280
Triny was

2105
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,679
>> Yeah, the hire the hiring

2106
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:22,480
it's very slow because

2107
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,000
>> I mean I guess

2108
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,600
>> hiring hiring officer any department

2109
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,040
does an aggressive approach

2110
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,960
would be a historical approach if it

2111
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:37,830
happened.

2112
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,760
But everyone else is staying at except

2113
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,679
for Mr. Williams and I everyone else is

2114
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:44,239
staying at

2115
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,400
>> but but respond first.

2116
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,719
>> What what

2117
01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:51,520
>> I ask you for a response of what you're

2118
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,360
going to do

2119
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,520
>> in terms of your recommendation.

2120
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,040
>> I'm willing to align with

2121
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,320
>> I'm just trying to have some dialogue

2122
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,080
with the my fellow council members

2123
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,320
around this one. Um before I give a

2124
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,719
response, how are people feeling about

2125
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:07,040
>> So currently Mr. Williams had a

2126
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,560
recommendation and so um like I'm I'm

2127
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,880
going to to go with Mr. Williams

2128
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,400
recommendation based on what he's just

2129
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:19,119
explained um that you know we have five

2130
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,920
this goal was to um hire five more but

2131
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,639
that hiring three would be probably more

2132
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:27,520
reasonable um goal that we would reach.

2133
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,920
So I'm I'm changing mine. I know this

2134
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,080
document doesn't reflect that currently,

2135
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:38,070
but I'm willing to to move to that.

2136
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,639
» Okay. And yeah, so I just Yeah, I'm I I

2137
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:44,000
said that I'm based on the fact that

2138
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,040
uh Mr. Chi explained to us around he's

2139
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,480
at five now. He just got to five. Um

2140
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,400
he's never been to five since he's been

2141
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:57,119
in the position. Um, and so 10 is would

2142
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:01,760
be a extremely lofty number. So I I will

2143
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,360
learn with Mr. Williams. In fact, I

2144
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,080
would I could say nominate three. But

2145
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,280
being that the uh

2146
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,800
the necessity position, I'd like to at

2147
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,960
least have enough if we are lucky enough

2148
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,880
to find the right people, we can find

2149
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:18,159
three, be good. So I I'm I'm going to uh

2150
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:26,310
stay with uh removing two positions.

2151
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,800
So mayor this whatever hire you do with

2152
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:34,709
this department does not affect your

2153
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:36,880
this department will be exempted in

2154
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:41,510
terms of or any high products

2155
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,639
» the simple thing that I'm using is if a

2156
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:47,280
hireer has the ability to generate

2157
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:48,400
revenue

2158
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:49,920
>> it would cover it

2159
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,600
>> that's the problem essential Okay.

2160
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,920
To fill the position and make sure the

2161
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,840
revenue's there.

2162
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,199
>> That's the problem with this one. I

2163
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:00,880
mean, it definitely generates revenue.

2164
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,480
So, we have to look at the revenue if we

2165
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:04,080
take away the

2166
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:04,480
>> well

2167
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:05,440
>> the hires.

2168
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:09,360
>> Right. So, Mr. So, in in theory, I I

2169
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,119
agree with the mayor that align with the

2170
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:13,199
mayor on that. I'm saying based on the

2171
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:17,440
fact that we've never gotten to 10. In

2172
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:19,920
fact, based on what we heard from the uh

2173
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,840
department head that this is the first

2174
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,480
time we've ever gotten to five, based on

2175
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:26,800
the uh

2176
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,920
history of how people have moved out of

2177
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,159
that department,

2178
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,560
I think that high three is a pretty

2179
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,480
lofty goal, but it's doable um with some

2180
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:40,719
level of

2181
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:43,360
use Mr. term of aggressive approach

2182
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,520
there. So, I think that removing two

2183
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:49,350
will putting the

2184
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,520
harmful at all. Honestly, I think that

2185
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,040
again I think we could go through but

2186
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:57,520
I'll go historic from five. It's not a

2187
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,239
reasonable number. It's the pay scale

2188
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,280
there has drifted a little bit what some

2189
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:10,400
of the municipalities have. So then uh

2190
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,880
just market forces that make other

2191
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,400
communities more attractive

2192
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,560
connectively. I know that's hard for

2193
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,639
anybody in this table to believe, but it

2194
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:21,119
does have occasion.

2195
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,360
>> I I thought we realigned them like a

2196
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:24,560
year ago or two.

2197
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,400
>> We made some adjustments, but then other

2198
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,560
people have made other adjustments in

2199
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:29,600
other areas.

2200
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,040
>> My gosh.

2201
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,360
>> We did that, two years ago. Yeah.

2202
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,760
>> To realign them to kind of be parallel

2203
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:36,800
with the capital

2204
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:41,750
>> contract for CC, which is the program.

2205
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,760
Uh

2206
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,440
>> do we do like exit interviews when

2207
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:46,800
people leave to collect that type of

2208
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:47,840
data?

2209
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,920
>> Is that a practice we do?

2210
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:50,400
>> Yes.

2211
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:55,189
>> Yeah. That's kind of like where

2212
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:58,000
» they

2213
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,119
from this department.

2214
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:03,679
>> So right now are you?

2215
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:05,760
>> So based on this conversation I would

2216
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:10,159
align with um Mr. Williams.

2217
01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:12,560
I along with Miss Patrick just one just

2218
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,800
in case people are looking for positions

2219
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,040
and jobs and it's a good paying job hard

2220
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:27,430
work good paying

2221
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:29,280
are we making are we making notes there

2222
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:33,199
please that Mr. Toro is aligning with

2223
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:35,199
Miss Patrick

2224
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:38,629
and myself

2225
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:42,229
Mr. Williams.

2226
01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:44,480
» So that number will be will be what?

2227
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:46,960
Just tell me the so I can fill that in.

2228
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,960
>> 5216

2229
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:49,119
or

2230
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,040
>> 5216ative

2231
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:54,070
1348.

2232
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:54,560
» No.

2233
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,880
Well, it's the 521632. That's what

2234
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,560
I'm post.

2235
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,280
>> Sorry. That's good. I got it.

2236
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,360
>> Okay.

2237
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:04,880
I'm just trying to keep I mean we're

2238
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,800
going to see a new one later.

2239
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,480
>> We're gonna see but so make sure that

2240
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:16,390
the numbers Yeah. Um

2241
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,880
» again you can skip the next line. I was being the same as the mayoral

2242
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,239
budget there.

2243
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,199
>> Yeah. This one here um there were some

2244
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:26,880
notes about this.

2245
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,719
>> This is a department of development.

2246
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:30,239
>> Mhm.

2247
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:31,920
I am going to be enforceable to say that

2248
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,560
we should bring this to $1,000.

2249
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,199
Uh this supported by small $5

2250
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:57,510
increase,000.

2251
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,440
If they keep finding money, I could go

2252
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,080
5,000. So, I can support that as well.

2253
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,400
>> I support that as well. To the mayor's

2254
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,950
point, we're is generating money.

2255
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,159
» Did you say

2256
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:13,360
>> you're going to?

2257
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,600
>> Yes, sir.

2258
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:23,990
>> Mr. Williams, did you say

2259
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,840
» 500 500?

2260
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,679
>> Okay. Um,

2261
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:30,480
Miss Patrick,

2262
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,000
>> I'm just going to stay with the 500.

2263
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,320
We're only talking $500 here, so it's

2264
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,639
not going to make it one way or the

2265
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:38,400
other. So, I'll just stay with the 500.

2266
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,000
>> Okay.

2267
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,400
>> All right. The only thing that is I'm

2268
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:46,400
not sure who she was paying with that

2269
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,639
>> if management employees would

2270
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:52,639
you have to go back and change the codes

2271
01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:56,480
and terms and conditions of employment.

2272
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:58,639
therea employees that should have been

2273
01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:03,119
taken care of anyhow shouldn't do that.

2274
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:05,600
>> So if you open the door for management

2275
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:09,360
employees getting overtime compensation

2276
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:12,719
or individuals in development make sure

2277
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:15,920
you're ready to do it across the board.

2278
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:16,719
So

2279
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:17,679
>> actually

2280
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:22,880
>> so I I guess uh my point there was that

2281
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,440
there's also stipens in other

2282
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,199
departments

2283
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,280
and in development department and the

2284
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,199
proposed budget there was no there's no

2285
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:33,920
money for stip in that department as

2286
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,480
well. So, how it was explained to us was

2287
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:41,440
that um right now they do a a job a

2288
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,400
pretty good job of

2289
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,239
aligning their schedules a certain way

2290
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:48,159
so when there is a need for them to be

2291
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:50,080
here they can be here and that's what I

2292
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,159
was saying that for all um department

2293
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:55,599
should be doing but we're getting ready

2294
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:57,199
to move on to a conversation where I

2295
01:51:57,199 --> 01:51:58,960
think that that'll become a little more

2296
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,040
clear.

2297
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,280
>> Thanks.

2298
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:06,480
Oh, just say I'm sorry

2299
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:07,360
to

2300
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,520
>> I do recall Miss Carver talking about

2301
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,800
PDM. A lot of her staff take her versus

2302
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,599
overtime. So

2303
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:22,629
>> compine

2304
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,400
with I I don't know if other departments

2305
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,199
have that again.

2306
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,760
Resort to the mayor here. I mean count

2307
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,360
time, you know, like she said, you know,

2308
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,280
if they work until 6, the next day

2309
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,400
they'll come in at 10. Is that something

2310
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,840
that development just has does or does

2311
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:45,589
every department do that?

2312
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:47,840
» Compliance with the code.

2313
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,679
>> Every department is unique. Some

2314
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:54,390
departments don't quite do that.

2315
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:55,840
» I know that there was someone in the law

2316
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,199
that he did that. So it's not unusual

2317
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,239
times.

2318
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:01,679
>> But I thought she said they take it in

2319
01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:04,320
place of the overtime. That's why maybe

2320
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,239
to increase the overtime. I don't know.

2321
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:08,239
>> If I may add, they attend meetings like

2322
01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:09,760
zoning meetings, planning meetings where

2323
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:15,840
they have to be here in the evenings and they don't get um they do come time

2324
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:16,719
because of that,

2325
01:53:16,719 --> 01:53:17,599
>> right?

2326
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:20,639
>> They don't get over time or

2327
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,000
>> go ahead please. So I think it's trying

2328
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,760
to find other incentives outside of

2329
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,440
compensation to try to work on all

2330
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:30,000
hours. Not budget line, but it's a

2331
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,080
consideration. People like getting up

2332
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,760
later.

2333
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,119
I think it's being responsive to the

2334
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,520
request of the week.

2335
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,960
Appreciate the attempts when it can be

2336
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:47,189
made as it does the burden on the tax.

2337
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:48,719
probably

2338
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:50,239
like

2339
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:54,629
this

2340
01:53:54,639 --> 01:53:56,400
other place. Do we need to consider

2341
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,639
that?

2342
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:01,440
>> Yeah. Did you say that some management

2343
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:02,159
time?

2344
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:03,679
>> I'm not sure. We're not sure. We're not

2345
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:08,390
sure whe

2346
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:10,400
» So, can we find out who exactly is going

2347
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,880
to be so fine?

2348
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:18,320
>> I think it's pretty well here. um um see

2349
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:23,119
exactly what what position rather made

2350
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:24,239
out of that line.

2351
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:27,840
>> Well, this is not something

2352
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:28,639
>> this line.

2353
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:29,520
>> Yes.

2354
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,880
>> I'm not aware when it's been in previous

2355
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:33,599
budgets.

2356
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:34,159
>> Uhhuh.

2357
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:39,280
>> Um but it's been there.

2358
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:44,229
>> Okay. So she gohead

2359
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:46,800
» nothing has been spent by the way at

2360
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,040
that time. So I mean

2361
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,639
>> I think we should we're spending a lot

2362
01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:52,320
of time

2363
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:56,159
September 202 impact of

2364
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:58,000
>> the mayor's point if it goes into other

2365
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:58,880
departments.

2366
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,119
>> Well that's why I think we should leave

2367
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:07,109
it budget passes.

2368
01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:08,800
It would be more of a policy kind of

2369
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,480
thing later down

2370
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,960
>> to discuss at another point, but right

2371
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:14,560
now nothing has been spent.

2372
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:15,199
>> Okay.

2373
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:16,000
>> In that line.

2374
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:16,400
>> Absolutely.

2375
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,960
>> And we're spending a lot of time on $500

2376
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:24,229
item here is all I'm saying.

2377
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:27,360
» All right. So, what can Sorry. Um, can

2378
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,360
you find out for us what exactly that

2379
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:32,080
was being on? I don't get previous year

2380
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:43,109
simply because as of the year of

2381
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:44,880
» what I remember Miss Carver saying is

2382
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:46,400
that

2383
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,239
her team does a really good job of

2384
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:51,199
trying to align their time to the needs

2385
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:54,560
of the city. That's not always a option

2386
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:58,719
for them. So that's uh why the the line

2387
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:01,119
why why the money she put the money

2388
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:05,199
there. Um I saw that and and so kind of

2389
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:07,360
I don't want to move us too long too far

2390
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,639
ahead but I saw that as

2391
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:13,280
something that is closely aligned to a

2392
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,040
stipen in other departments that we're

2393
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,520
seeing that she did not have a stipen in

2394
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:20,000
her department. So that maybe we need to

2395
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,639
rename it then

2396
01:56:22,639 --> 01:56:27,830
>> so that we don't get into the main event

2397
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,040
in terms of that.

2398
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:41,750
>> Oh 23 126

2399
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,199
» talk about reaming the excitement.

2400
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:45,520
Remember we had gave a definition of

2401
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:46,960
what the said.

2402
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,239
>> No, we're just making suggestion because

2403
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:49,840
we don't want to make sure that as the

2404
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:53,119
may we don't want to creative

2405
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:55,119
atmosphere where our department thinks

2406
01:56:55,119 --> 01:56:58,719
that we're giving one another. We do not

2407
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:00,800
want to do that

2408
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:01,760
>> at no point in time.

2409
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,040
>> Yeah. But it would meet the definition

2410
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,280
of a recitement.

2411
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,320
>> That's being removed every except at

2412
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,560
this point formed because that person is

2413
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,639
on call 24 and we need the clarification

2414
01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:14,159
on the next person.

2415
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:16,159
>> Oh, so everyone did get a consensus and

2416
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:17,520
remove all statements.

2417
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:18,719
>> That's been a suggestion.

2418
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:19,920
>> Okay, we didn't get consensus.

2419
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:24,390
>> I think that we

2420
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:24,960
made sense, right?

2421
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:26,400
>> Well, I think we did address it. If

2422
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:30,080
there anyone who's on 24

2423
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,480
hour call, we have to divorce those off.

2424
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,960
I think it's 43

2425
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,760
and we ask that all those kind of

2426
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,199
whatever recommendation we make to

2427
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:41,679
remove those, we need to divorce it back

2428
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:43,520
>> for those essential.

2429
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:44,800
>> I agree.

2430
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,239
>> That's my recommendation.

2431
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:48,000
>> So, what are we leaving the sign at? So,

2432
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,679
I'm we're gonna I'm going to ask that we

2433
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:52,000
leave the

2434
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,040
for now leave the time adding $500

2435
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,000
because we have four members.

2436
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,320
We're asking to increase it by 500 and

2437
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,360
two are asking that 500.

2438
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:04,880
>> So, it'll be a,000.

2439
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,199
>> Yes.

2440
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,080
The next line is $500 in the mayor post

2441
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:10,560
budget.

2442
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:12,080
>> It's 500 in the mayor's budget.

2443
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:13,280
>> Yes.

2444
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,320
>> And nothing has been spent in 2024.

2445
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,119
>> Okay. and 10 and something.

2446
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:22,800
>> Yeah. And I'm I'm

2447
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,119
>> okay. The next one over time, but

2448
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:26,960
they're primarily driven because we're

2449
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:28,480
increasing

2450
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,880
the workload on the collection, the

2451
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:36,719
data, the parking. So, as we ask them to

2452
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:40,320
increase their workload and this is um

2453
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,119
primarily over time.

2454
01:58:43,119 --> 01:58:45,440
So, and based on the the amount of the

2455
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,679
dollar amount they have provided to us,

2456
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:50,719
$280 $290,000,

2457
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:55,589
it cost the department $24,000.

2458
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,679
So, it's fair that we ask them to do

2459
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:00,480
more. we have to provide the

2460
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:03,280
compensation and that's why I ask that

2461
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,199
we

2462
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:08,239
allocate $25,000 to this um to this line

2463
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:12,080
to help offset that

2464
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:24,709
>> added revenue

2465
01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:27,440
» Mr. Chairman please in that around that

2466
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,920
line what when they were giving the

2467
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,320
presentation and we were uh trying to

2468
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:35,679
scale out you know what the expected

2469
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:38,480
revenue can be based on the formula your

2470
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,560
numbers are right on point with that and

2471
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,760
that's why I was I'm supporting that as

2472
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:46,400
a formula um but something the the issue

2473
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:47,920
that I raised during that conversation

2474
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:49,760
is that we have to balance the tensions

2475
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,599
of

2476
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:55,280
increasing the revenue and impact uh to

2477
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,360
police community relations and I think

2478
01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:00,400
that that's based on what uh that the uh

2479
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:03,280
officer saying that the chief is saying

2480
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,520
>> that he's recommending that we don't

2481
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:06,560
increase that line. Correct.

2482
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:07,280
>> Is that correct?

2483
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,920
>> That's correct.

2484
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:13,199
>> And because of the impact that what he

2485
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:15,360
perceives as the negative impact on

2486
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,239
community based on what he said.

2487
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:21,280
>> However, he didn't say that.

2488
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,199
>> Look at what you have to back up here.

2489
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:26,320
the revenue and asking them to do extra

2490
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:29,840
work and how do we compensate them to to

2491
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,760
do that work for us to generate more

2492
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:32,719
revenue

2493
02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:35,920
>> yet it has those um the stuff that comes

2494
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,199
with it.

2495
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:39,280
>> Uh

2496
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:43,599
so I guess my point of clarity would be

2497
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:47,119
the chief is saying that this is still a

2498
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:49,520
uh actionable thing for them to do.

2499
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,440
>> Yes. So if he seems he has some action

2500
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:52,960
for them to do and they still plan on

2501
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:57,599
doing it well then um

2502
02:00:57,599 --> 02:00:58,880
is he suggesting that he has the

2503
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:00,480
capacity to do it without increasing

2504
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,639
that that that line is that what you

2505
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:05,669
communicate

2506
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:08,800
please so I

2507
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,920
miss I would agree that Mr. far we

2508
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,920
manage just

2509
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:15,920
however I agree with making that

2510
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,320
adjustment at the $25,000 at this

2511
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:20,480
present time what I've been doing on

2512
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,560
items that we are highlighting I would

2513
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,480
ask that this is a highlightable item

2514
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,440
that we return to once we conclude the

2515
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,239
rest of our conversations I think is one

2516
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,639
thing to have an expectation for

2517
02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:35,679
overtime specifically in police to be uh

2518
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:38,800
identified as if intentional cuts I

2519
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,119
think we've heard skepticism from that

2520
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:43,119
department and I think if we can

2521
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:46,719
identify any dollars sincerely if it is

2522
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:48,000
one dollar I think that that just

2523
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,239
improves their outcome's

2524
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:53,119
point balancing out community interest

2525
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:57,599
and also um being firm and responding to

2526
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:00,400
compliance finance throughout the city.

2527
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:03,440
>> Yeah. would then go back there

2528
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:07,199
in the initial budget in initial revenue

2529
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:10,000
they are hoping to do you know x amount

2530
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,440
of detail

2531
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,080
>> $250,000

2532
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:18,400
>> and that will cost $24,000 of

2533
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:20,000
>> so that's how I factory so if we're

2534
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,920
going to add another

2535
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,920
then you know we we can't just take it

2536
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,239
one way it has to go both way

2537
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,159
>> no so that's what I'm saying based on

2538
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:29,599
>> yeah reason enough for us to say go get

2539
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:32,560
some revenue for us and you know kind of

2540
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,040
help us help us with this outstanding

2541
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,119
and um violation

2542
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:39,679
>> but if you don't put

2543
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,679
incentive for them to do it then how are

2544
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:43,199
they going to do it and that's how I

2545
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:44,000
factor in

2546
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,000
>> you know I I think I think your formal

2547
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,320
is correct I think if the chief is I'll

2548
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,080
definitely defer them if he's moving the

2549
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,320
budget in the way that we want

2550
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:54,639
>> my numbers are only less a thousand less

2551
02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:57,599
than $1,000 off from them because I

2552
02:02:57,599 --> 02:03:00,239
>> sure so I'm okay with leaving it to Mr.

2553
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:01,599
Williams point and kind kind of

2554
02:03:01,599 --> 02:03:03,360
revisiting it. If the police have the

2555
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:05,440
capacity to carry out the the task

2556
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,360
without that, that's great. If they're

2557
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,360
saying that they don't need it and and

2558
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,280
if they're saying that they do, then I

2559
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:15,119
should be there will leave you at zero for

2560
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:19,199
>> but so I am in agreement with $2500.

2561
02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:44,390
I'm saying if there is more conceiv

2562
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,560
I'm not going to to do that because I'm

2563
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,320
really looking at what they that the

2564
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,960
major impact they thought had on the

2565
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:52,000
community. Okay.

2566
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:53,920
>> Really taking that into consideration.

2567
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,400
So as we look at it's not just you know

2568
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,119
what we're doing here but they're on the

2569
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:00,880
street and if they feel like it's going

2570
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:02,560
to

2571
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:04,960
increase people how people see them in a

2572
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:07,520
negative light because our only increase

2573
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:11,360
is to do this kind of um you know get

2574
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:13,040
more

2575
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:14,480
etc. So they didn't think that was a

2576
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,159
good idea. I wouldn't want to put them

2577
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:17,679
in the position of

2578
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:19,840
um being in that where they feel like

2579
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,639
it's it's increasing

2580
02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,960
decreasing their relationship with

2581
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:26,800
community.

2582
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:28,239
>> Mr. Tor, what do you think about

2583
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:34,310
>> agree?

2584
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,320
But

2585
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:37,440
so we are

2586
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,239
>> you're going with

2587
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:43,360
the overtime. But yeah, it's the over

2588
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:46,239
the last one.

2589
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:49,119
But again, we're giving them more work.

2590
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:52,159
>> What I have a conversation is

2591
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:54,800
>> I understand. But um would you I mean if

2592
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,960
we were asked the reasons which we

2593
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,119
intend to do based on Mr. Williams

2594
02:04:59,119 --> 02:05:00,000
recommendation.

2595
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:00,560
>> Mhm.

2596
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,800
>> And to see if there we can add more

2597
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,000
money to this line.

2598
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,040
>> Mhm.

2599
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:08,480
>> And maybe at that point in time we can

2600
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:11,840
know expand our compensation around this

2601
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:12,960
line.

2602
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:16,080
>> But it's not only it's not like

2603
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,159
it's not only a negative impact but also

2604
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:19,920
maybe

2605
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:23,440
positive impact.

2606
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,560
monetarily as I'm talking about Dr.

2607
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:29,360
and we always talk about how um the

2608
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:31,920
police are seen in etc and how we need

2609
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:33,760
to increase

2610
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,760
community relationships. So they're

2611
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,480
saying that's going to detract from the

2612
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,360
from their relationship I think we

2613
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:44,159
should take into consideration

2614
02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:46,880
what you think

2615
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,119
>> the line I missed I'm sorry

2616
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:51,360
>> we asking them uh to do additional work

2617
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:54,880
in terms of remaining common revenue

2618
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:58,320
offset. He dispenses over there appear

2619
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,520
and then adjusted number

2620
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:05,040
the overtime 25,000 offset with the

2621
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:08,080
additional asking.

2622
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:11,119
>> So basically you're all talking about

2623
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:13,119
raising the overtime please.

2624
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:14,000
>> Yes.

2625
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,760
>> What are you thinking of raising it?

2626
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,159
>> 25,000 for now.

2627
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:20,800
>> Um and everybody is agreeing on that.

2628
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:24,639
No, no, no. This is This is different.

2629
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:28,080
This has to do with the parking fine.

2630
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,320
>> Oh, I'm sorry. They're doing the detail.

2631
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:32,639
in the in the

2632
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,880
night.

2633
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:36,320
>> Mhm.

2634
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:38,000
>> 27

2635
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:39,599
visits this year.

2636
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:41,440
>> They're looking at 27 next year.

2637
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:44,000
>> 47 next year. That's So, they're hoping

2638
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,239
to double it next year. Uh this year

2639
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,079
they did 220,000. next year and

2640
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:49,119
everything.

2641
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:51,679
>> I'm I'm happy to add $25,000 to the

2642
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:53,440
police overtime. If I had my way, I'd

2643
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:54,960
add a million dollars to the police

2644
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,599
overtime. So, um

2645
02:06:57,599 --> 02:06:59,760
>> I'm happy to go with the uh So, that

2646
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,400
would be one7

2647
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,079
915.

2648
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:05,599
>> No.

2649
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:05,840
Yes.

2650
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:07,840
>> Are we on that line still? Yes. Okay.

2651
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:09,040
Thank you.

2652
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:10,639
>> So, you're okay with 25K?

2653
02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:15,589
>> I am.

2654
02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:17,760
And I just want to, you know, echo this

2655
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:22,400
sentiment is that we at this point

2656
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:25,040
this line was presented to us. The

2657
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,960
mayor's proposed budget of a million

2658
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,229
>> 92,950

2659
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:34,480
and I don't think none of us ever

2660
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:37,040
mentioned about cutting this entire

2661
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:38,960
>> Why are we mentioning it now? Why are

2662
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,320
you mentioning it? I just want to make

2663
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:41,599
because some people saying that we're

2664
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:43,840
cutting down over time but we're not

2665
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,599
whatever was presented to us that's what

2666
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:48,320
we have there and no one right

2667
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:49,840
>> have ever mentioned about cutting

2668
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:51,920
anything that was presented to us we're

2669
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,719
looking to adding now

2670
02:07:54,719 --> 02:07:56,239
>> yes

2671
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:59,280
>> and no revisited based on

2672
02:07:59,280 --> 02:07:59,840
recommendation

2673
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:00,880
>> I think that's larger

2674
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,199
>> see if we can add more to that

2675
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:07,990
>> that's not necessary

2676
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:23,750
» okay let's start a page

2677
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,440
So now we're on tapping

2678
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:27,280
>> staffing.

2679
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:30,390
So

2680
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:32,320
we talk about this generally across the

2681
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,760
board. I think everyone uh

2682
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,239
is in agreement or was in agreement with

2683
02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:41,280
it. that um

2684
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:43,920
put all new hires on on hold.

2685
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:44,239
>> Yep.

2686
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:45,840
>> In line with the mayor.

2687
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:46,560
>> Yep.

2688
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:48,719
>> And allow the mayor for any essential

2689
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,800
hire. And as the mayor just mentioned,

2690
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:57,669
I'm revenue generating um position.

2691
02:08:57,679 --> 02:09:01,679
So I only have myself and Patrick open

2692
02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:07,430
here.

2693
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:08,960
I'm happy to go with the majority on

2694
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:11,599
that one. I was taking that out. Again,

2695
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:13,040
I was just trying to figure out a way to

2696
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,639
cut expenses, but obviously the

2697
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:15,920
department head

2698
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:19,119
>> is recommending having that position.

2699
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:20,880
Um, but it sounds like my colleagues,

2700
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:23,760
it's seems like it's just you and I.

2701
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,679
>> No, I think we I think we we the only

2702
02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:30,950
one put it on paper. the others were

2703
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:33,760
» so like I want to ask that we realign

2704
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:37,280
ourselves here in this one.

2705
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:39,599
>> So everybody else just didn't get their

2706
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:40,639
recommendations in.

2707
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:44,000
>> Yes. So I will start with

2708
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,400
>> So we're talking about

2709
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:49,840
the higher than this.

2710
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,440
>> I'm sorry. Could you just speak? I'm

2711
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,119
saying that I if the mayor is

2712
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:54,960
recommending a higher freeze and this is

2713
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:58,880
a higher then it falls you know then no

2714
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:02,880
there's a higher free position

2715
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:03,840
generating

2716
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,320
>> yes I have to agree with the mayor on

2717
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,000
those position

2718
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,239
revenue generating position and they can

2719
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:13,119
pay for themselves then yes if not we

2720
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:15,360
just need to continue to hold allow the

2721
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:18,000
revenue to build up economically

2722
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:18,560
I

2723
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:20,880
>> that's what we've been saying

2724
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:23,520
Miss uh Vtorio.

2725
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:24,239
>> Y

2726
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:24,719
>> you're good.

2727
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:25,119
>> Yeah.

2728
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:27,360
>> Okay. So, everyone is in alignment with

2729
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:30,800
this line. So,

2730
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,360
put a hold here.

2731
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:34,960
>> I think also I just want to point out

2732
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:36,639
that I'm pretty sure we put a hold on it

2733
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:39,199
last year also. Let me just look though.

2734
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:41,199
I do want I think we took it out of the

2735
02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:43,280
budget last last year. So,

2736
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:44,800
unfortunately,

2737
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,119
>> I think they they've had to get through

2738
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,679
without that without that position. The

2739
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,480
only thing and I'm sticking with my I'll

2740
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:54,239
stick with my taking it out if everybody

2741
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:56,000
agrees to that. But I do want to say is

2742
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,119
this the position where because we don't

2743
02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:01,280
have this position we're spending more

2744
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:04,560
money at an external garage or is that a

2745
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:05,280
different position?

2746
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:06,639
>> No, this because of this

2747
02:11:06,639 --> 02:11:08,560
>> a different uh expense. I mean

2748
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:11,840
>> no remember there was a um where they

2749
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:13,199
wanted to add someone who was on like

2750
02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:15,599
this third shift or this off shift or

2751
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:19,679
work on the road. We that we put that in

2752
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:23,119
and be in and what Mr. um

2753
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:27,199
Lefon said was that because that this

2754
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,840
position was vacant and they need that

2755
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:32,159
particular position did not actually

2756
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:34,480
ever start. So that person's working

2757
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:37,599
during the day and this off hours

2758
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:39,840
mechanic that we

2759
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:42,159
was was not is not doing is not able to

2760
02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:50,310
do the job because they have children.

2761
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:51,599
» The next move

2762
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:56,790
>> the next line is the same with u

2763
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,239
» Mr. Williams. Is this one? Yeah, this is

2764
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,400
>> I would see that as a conversion. If

2765
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:06,560
anyone can group it as a new hire, I can

2766
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,079
contest that. I mean, I can respect

2767
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:11,199
that, but I would say we're converting

2768
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:17,669
already in place salaries.

2769
02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:21,360
» So, what what is your recommendation, S?

2770
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:22,480
>> Hold it.

2771
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:24,159
>> I mean, not I mean to to hold it in

2772
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,040
place as do I'm not ruing this. I don't

2773
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,199
consider these the new hires and the

2774
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:30,719
understanding the budget line has

2775
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:33,199
already been there in previous years it

2776
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:36,800
waste so it's more identifiable as its

2777
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:40,560
usage in the city. My feedback is I

2778
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,880
would like to see support to higher

2779
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:44,960
waste generating positions to support

2780
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:46,560
quality of life these individuals that

2781
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,719
have very difficult

2782
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:52,229
works.

2783
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:56,800
So understood because there

2784
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,119
you had something similar to this.

2785
02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:00,719
>> Well,

2786
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:02,639
>> yeah, I

2787
02:13:02,639 --> 02:13:04,000
talking about it.

2788
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,719
>> Um, so

2789
02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:09,920
>> right, but that was um for the the

2790
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,440
seasonal that what we're like at $15.

2791
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,440
We thought they were at 17 plus two, but

2792
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:20,480
now 15 plus two. Yeah. 1750.

2793
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:22,960
>> I I would agree with Mr. Williams on

2794
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:25,679
that.

2795
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:27,040
>> Um

2796
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,199
>> to add to add a new person.

2797
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:30,560
>> It's not adding

2798
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:32,880
>> I mean adding um Well, it's it's more

2799
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:34,320
than what the mayor is putting into his

2800
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,320
budget is what I'm saying.

2801
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,000
>> But

2802
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,920
>> I hear what you're what you're just

2803
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:44,069
trying to be clear. But

2804
02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:45,840
» anyone else

2805
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:47,760
>> So you guys just canceled each other out

2806
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:51,360
anyway. I'm I'm willing to compromise.

2807
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,360
and and

2808
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:57,280
realign myself in terms of the majority.

2809
02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:02,629
So, I'm going to cancel mine out.

2810
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:06,960
Is everyone in favor? Let's um

2811
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,990
Williams.

2812
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,159
Okay. Because I know you had some notes

2813
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:17,119
uh way back about this thing. So,

2814
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:19,360
uh, commissioner, please make note of

2815
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:23,669
this.

2816
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:25,520
» So, that will cost us an additional

2817
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:29,669
87,000

2818
02:14:29,679 --> 02:14:32,719
» or is that removing money from just

2819
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:33,040
cancel?

2820
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:34,719
>> It's not costing us anything. We're

2821
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:36,400
realigning it. Okay.

2822
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:37,280
>> Yes.

2823
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:39,840
>> Yeah.

2824
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:44,239
>> So, can can you also make note of that this is a realignment? So, it's a

2825
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:46,000
reading the head.

2826
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,000
>> That's I believe that's the line below

2827
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:51,669
that seasonals

2828
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:54,320
that were reduced by

2829
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:56,480
>> Oh, perfect. Yes.

2830
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:04,709
>> Yes.

2831
02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:09,270
» So, this is a reelective. Okay.

2832
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:12,400
» And everyone is in favor of this.

2833
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:13,040
Right.

2834
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:15,440
>> So on this one,

2835
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:19,520
instead of putting in 214,396,

2836
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,400
we're only Mr. Williams is suggesting

2837
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:26,079
just putting in 10719.

2838
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:28,480
Is that right? Is that am I reading that

2839
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:30,800
correctly?

2840
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:33,840
So left um I was assuming that it would

2841
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:36,320
be half of that would come up for two

2842
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,079
positions and if you're being really

2843
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:40,079
divisional you can return back to the

2844
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:43,119
difference but for matter of fact just

2845
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:44,880
having two positions and keeping some

2846
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:55,030
pre line is more than 10.

2847
02:15:55,040 --> 02:16:02,719
Yeah, I allowed um civilians and

2848
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:04,960
because you wrote that you brought it up

2849
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,040
but almost on the same level in terms of

2850
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:09,199
what you were thinking about. So I'll

2851
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:11,599
take we'll listen to both whatever y'all

2852
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:13,679
recommend on this here. I will follow

2853
02:16:13,679 --> 02:16:16,719
you guys from this line.

2854
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:19,199
The reality

2855
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:31,350
uh and your point was valid on my side.

2856
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,359
» So we're going down on that one to

2857
02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:35,040
107198.

2858
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:36,880
Correct?

2859
02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:40,080
>> Would be the total instead of 214396.

2860
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:42,479
Is that correct?

2861
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:44,800
Yes.

2862
02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:46,240
>> So, you could you could just move the

2863
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:47,519
numbers. Uh, yes.

2864
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,200
>> I'm just I'm just I know we're going to

2865
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:50,719
get it. I know we're going to get it

2866
02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:53,120
back on Binance with the right numbers.

2867
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:54,559
>> Well, just make note for yourself and

2868
02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:56,160
you can in each column.

2869
02:16:56,160 --> 02:17:08,389
>> Yep. I'm all set.

2870
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:10,479
» I don't know how many positions that is.

2871
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,200
So, but

2872
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:16,240
it's not a simple

2873
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:18,800
but in terms of how many positions we're

2874
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:25,030
getting rid of.

2875
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:26,639
» You don't get it. You don't get

2876
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:28,960
>> Well, should they add it? Well, it's

2877
02:17:28,960 --> 02:17:31,840
okay because the bottom line it's okay.

2878
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:33,040
I'm okay with that.

2879
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:36,240
>> Okay. Let me just for clarification,

2880
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:37,760
you're not removing any position. You're

2881
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,760
just realigning here. Yeah, I want to

2882
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:41,200
make sure we we're in the same amount on

2883
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,840
level of saying that we're moving any

2884
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:44,399
position.

2885
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:46,399
>> Well, I think that there are it's just

2886
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:48,559
that it says various on our on our

2887
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,240
budget. We don't have a number of how

2888
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,080
many people, but it's okay because we

2889
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:53,760
actually added

2890
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:55,359
>> Right. Right. So, I'm I'm okay with it.

2891
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:56,559
Let's let's move on.

2892
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:58,479
>> Yeah. So, everyone is in alignment with

2893
02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:01,679
these uh these changes.

2894
02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:04,319
Okay. Let's move into the next um

2895
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:06,719
section and that's a lot with the B

2896
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:08,479
section and that has to do with

2897
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:11,599
management raise and that is calling for

2898
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:14,399
a 3% across the board. Mr. Parley I

2899
02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:17,280
align with yours. Is that correct?

2900
02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:21,359
>> Yeah, Mr. Chairman. So, uh, we got, uh,

2901
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:25,200
the mayor's proposed budget. Um, and as

2902
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,280
we started our council deliberations,

2903
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:30,559
the first, uh, recommendation,

2904
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:34,639
uh, was for maintain uh the the mayor's

2905
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:38,479
hiring freeze and to, um, not give any

2906
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:41,920
raises across the board. Um

2907
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:44,800
I I responded to that email uh saying

2908
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:47,280
that I thought that

2909
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:49,760
um minimum we need to be giving people

2910
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,800
the 3% raise across the board as cuz

2911
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:54,639
that is my understanding that's really

2912
02:18:54,639 --> 02:18:56,960
just going to keep up with inflation and

2913
02:18:56,960 --> 02:18:58,639
quite honestly the inflation rates right

2914
02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:00,160
now we're not even going to that that

2915
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:01,599
might not even keep up with inflation.

2916
02:19:01,599 --> 02:19:04,080
So therefore in order to not give a

2917
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:07,519
raise would actually be um the same as

2918
02:19:07,519 --> 02:19:10,800
uh giving a pay deduction. So that's

2919
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:13,519
where I started at uh minimum we need to

2920
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:16,719
give uh people their uh quality of life

2921
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:19,679
their inflation adjustment rates across

2922
02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:21,920
the board and that's where I was willing

2923
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,599
to start deliberations the conversation

2924
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:27,359
then went from that into uh

2925
02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:30,000
the inequities and the inconsistent

2926
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:35,280
manner in which uh raises are being

2927
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:38,719
calculated and then we're back to the

2928
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:41,280
work pay study that was supposed to have

2929
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:45,120
happened um that had not happened. So

2930
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,120
where we're at right now is I'm

2931
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,640
suggesting the minimally giving people

2932
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:54,960
that their 3% increase that's true

2933
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:59,040
minimum as a point of starting point. In

2934
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:00,720
other words, I'm not I'm against not

2935
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:06,070
giving anyone

2936
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,160
» for the same reason I realign with with

2937
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,160
yours.

2938
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:11,600
>> Uh there are some of them that we need

2939
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:13,920
to strike out here. The ones in positive

2940
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:17,760
numbers those were there were still

2941
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:19,680
there

2942
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:21,680
>> the one in positive. Is that correct

2943
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:24,399
commissioner? Those were not a raise

2944
02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:28,160
were was not asked for that position.

2945
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:31,760
Uh that is correct for one individual

2946
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:33,040
position there.

2947
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:33,520
>> Can you

2948
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:37,760
>> um the other ones um depending on

2949
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,439
uh correct there was no raises in the

2950
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:43,120
proposed budget for some positions if

2951
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:44,720
they were being

2952
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:46,399
>> Yes. So that that's what I'm saying. So

2953
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,240
anyone that's in positive I think we

2954
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:51,280
need to strike those out.

2955
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:53,600
They want to the mayor didn't ask for an

2956
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:56,160
increase that we can ask uh we could

2957
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,720
please make note of that also to remove

2958
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:01,760
that uh on these columns.

2959
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,120
>> Yeah, be good if they weren't on the

2960
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:04,000
spreadsheet.

2961
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:08,950
>> That will reduce the numbers also.

2962
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:11,520
I think I did ask for that the last

2963
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:15,840
here. So then that would be one, two,

2964
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,800
three, four, five position

2965
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:21,200
that I raise was not ask from the

2966
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:26,790
proposed budget.

2967
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:28,960
So those that are negative are the ones

2968
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:30,880
that

2969
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:37,190
we need to realign oursel with.

2970
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:38,640
Again, I think this would be an

2971
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:43,280
executive session discussion because um

2972
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,760
just giving 3% across the board doesn't

2973
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:47,920
take into consideration

2974
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:50,319
why a department head or the mayor might

2975
02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:52,800
be suggesting higher rates for someone.

2976
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:56,240
And I don't know if um just doing 3% is

2977
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:57,920
taking into consideration length of

2978
02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:01,120
service um or performance evaluations

2979
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,760
that may have occurred. So

2980
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:05,680
>> almost feel like we need to go into I'm

2981
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,160
sorry what

2982
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:09,760
You might have to be speaker.

2983
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:12,240
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Well, now that's going to

2984
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:14,000
be hard. I won't be able to remember

2985
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:16,960
when

2986
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:20,160
>> you said that we thought that happening.

2987
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:22,800
Yeah, because

2988
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:25,600
what you know their years of service and

2989
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:26,880
that kind of thing

2990
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:30,000
>> and or let's say it's um you know their

2991
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:31,600
supervisor might have recommended

2992
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:34,000
something um

2993
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,640
>> that puts it out of the you know across

2994
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:39,840
the board situation. Um but again I

2995
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:41,920
think we'd have to do that and I think

2996
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:43,600
that we would have to talk about that

2997
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:46,160
>> executive I don't see anybody getting

2998
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,080
promoted here. This is just pay risks

2999
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:50,800
>> right? Yeah, but then we might want to

3000
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:52,640
use name, individual name and things

3001
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:55,120
that entire

3002
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:56,720
my time here. I asked people not to

3003
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:59,280
mention name just mention positions and

3004
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:02,240
be respective of people's um names that

3005
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:04,800
you call against each position. I do

3006
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:06,160
have an issue that we want to do

3007
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:08,800
exception to it is

3008
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:14,800
>> but um I just wanted to know where where other members stand in terms of um

3009
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:16,640
where we are here right now. So, we're

3010
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:17,760
going to look at this that we should

3011
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:20,080
look at this instead of this, right?

3012
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:20,880
>> It's the same.

3013
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:22,960
>> Oh, it's just bigger.

3014
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:24,800
>> So, we can read it more easily.

3015
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:27,200
>> Mr. Williams.

3016
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,600
>> Okay. So, again, I think that just for

3017
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,640
context because um it said that, you

3018
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,640
know, you were talking about giving it

3019
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:36,319
3% across the board and why you think

3020
02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:39,760
that that might not be um a a good place

3021
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:43,600
to land. Again, the 3% across the board

3022
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:46,080
was in response to

3023
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:47,920
uh it being on being brought on the

3024
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:51,200
table that they were going to uh do no

3025
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:53,359
raises across the board. And my point

3026
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:58,240
was we minimally have to do this

3027
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:02,160
unless we're uh giving people a pay

3028
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:04,080
reduction. So again, I'm you know,

3029
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,520
that's not some place that I'm saying

3030
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:07,359
that we need to land. What I'm saying is

3031
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:10,640
that we need to at least be there.

3032
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:12,080
And I'm and I'm open to have a

3033
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:15,280
conversation around why other you know

3034
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:17,439
what the extenduating circumstances are

3035
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:20,880
for certain positions. I will say that

3036
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:22,640
it have to be pretty extenduating

3037
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:26,880
circumstances to be some people at 3%

3038
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:30,800
some people at 18 or 25 things like that is definitely something

3039
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:33,200
>> I think that was last year's budget.

3040
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:37,439
>> Please Mr. Williams so based on Mr.

3041
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:38,960
probably started off the conversation at

3042
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,840
being a midline point of starting the

3043
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:44,319
discussion around staffing compensation.

3044
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:46,880
Uh there was a lengthy conversation

3045
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,800
where I was proposing the use of the

3046
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:52,560
great line. I understand and can't count

3047
02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:54,399
for conversations from department heads

3048
02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:58,479
highlighting why individual name plus or

3049
02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:02,080
over uh 3%. received countless emails

3050
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,960
from staff just uh I think providing

3051
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:07,840
more context which is always appreciated

3052
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:09,760
and appreciated.

3053
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:12,800
However, the conversation without

3054
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:15,359
re uh

3055
02:25:15,359 --> 02:25:17,680
everything I stated was I can't

3056
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:19,680
permanently increasing your lines

3057
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:23,040
without having global overarching

3058
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:25,760
reassessment. So we're talking about

3059
02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:28,399
compromise. I can compromise and move

3060
02:25:28,399 --> 02:25:32,720
the portions that are in uh currencies

3061
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,560
to adequate

3062
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:36,399
get these individuals to the right

3063
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:39,510
conditions.

3064
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,160
Um

3065
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:44,800
yeah, you had mentioned that all or some

3066
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:47,600
of us mention

3067
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:51,120
that not all management are out of grid

3068
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:55,990
or they can't get enough.

3069
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,200
I'm sorry if I'm using the right term.

3070
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:01,120
There are times when people are signing

3071
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:05,280
stuff out of great but they don't get

3072
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:08,800
overtime and don't get

3073
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:10,399
some of the benefits that are afforded

3074
02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:13,200
by the uh employees within the

3075
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:14,720
department.

3076
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:17,760
>> So will these management position fall

3077
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:21,040
under out grid or can we realign them

3078
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:25,429
for other grid compensation?

3079
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:28,720
What is being proposed are payraises

3080
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:30,479
that reflect the work that they're doing

3081
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,800
and expect to do in the future. Out of

3082
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:34,479
grade tends to be a temporary

3083
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:38,070
assignment.

3084
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:39,600
So if you're

3085
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:42,479
>> adding it for

3086
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:45,840
temporary it makes a more complicated

3087
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:48,560
thought process than managing the theory

3088
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:49,359
behind

3089
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:52,640
>> that's just followal

3090
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:53,760
>> and some of the comments we've heard

3091
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:55,600
from semantic they were in response to

3092
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:57,280
temporary

3093
02:26:57,280 --> 02:26:59,359
hirings as conditions that they're

3094
02:26:59,359 --> 02:27:00,960
working with and that is part of the

3095
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:03,200
reason why I'm proposing that I would

3096
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:05,200
say that like this is in response to

3097
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:08,479
just job evolution over the years. Um I

3098
02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:10,160
would say that that would also be reason

3099
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:12,720
why we want to have a job analysis to

3100
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,120
understand how have these roles expanded

3101
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:16,960
over the years and do they currently

3102
02:27:16,960 --> 02:27:19,280
fall in line to your point earlier of

3103
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:22,240
how market trends are potentially

3104
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,160
putting the city where they have

3105
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:26,560
competition against each other um but

3106
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:28,640
also just how the roles evolved over the

3107
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:30,720
years and does the right work align with

3108
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:33,520
the right person.

3109
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:35,520
>> Mr. Toro,

3110
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,000
>> thank you. Um Mr. probably mentioned two

3111
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,479
times that it was suggested that no

3112
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:44,469
increases were given.

3113
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:46,560
No raises were given

3114
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:48,080
>> initially when we were discussing the

3115
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:49,840
budget. I had made a proposal.

3116
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:51,920
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought you was

3117
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:53,120
>> because we're looking at we're looking

3118
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:55,920
at the budget and my thing is my

3119
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:59,920
>> it's a recommendation. I mean I have

3120
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:01,439
>> we're looking at how we can reduce your

3121
02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:04,160
budget overall. Is it that is it the

3122
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:06,319
best uptake to give raises at this point

3123
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:07,200
in time

3124
02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:08,560
>> but then we have to look at also

3125
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,800
inflation and then look at if we don't

3126
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:13,040
give an increase it's a big cut.

3127
02:28:13,040 --> 02:28:15,680
>> So how do we balance across the board

3128
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:17,520
>> and those were the big ticket items that

3129
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:21,280
we kind of wanted to consolidate into the discussion.

3130
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:27,270
>> Thank you.

3131
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:29,760
» I'm sorry.

3132
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:32,720
Please follow me. Um so

3133
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,399
>> I'm just focus on

3134
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:40,160
>> okay we um we had this discussion and in in terms of discussions I know at

3135
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:43,920
least two we heard from two um well one

3136
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:46,240
person saying that their job that they

3137
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:49,600
do what the additional duties are not

3138
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:51,840
temporary this is part of their job

3139
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:55,359
there's these are extended duties so I

3140
02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:56,880
think we definitely need to be take look

3141
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:58,479
be taking a look at that and

3142
02:28:58,479 --> 02:29:00,640
additionally one of the reason that was

3143
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:03,920
talking about is because the person who

3144
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:08,160
was going to be supervised was 100.

3145
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,880
So I think you should definitely take a

3146
02:29:10,880 --> 02:29:12,720
look at I I don't know I want to call

3147
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,640
them extenduating circumstances but

3148
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:17,920
reasons behind the recommended reasons

3149
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:23,120
and for all those over um

3150
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:25,920
over I 3% is I guess the number that's

3151
02:29:25,920 --> 02:29:27,840
being that's being proposed. We could

3152
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:30,080
take a look at them individually and we

3153
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,439
don't have to say people's names. We

3154
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:34,160
could just say who the physician is. But

3155
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:36,640
um again some people have we've already

3156
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:39,439
had explanations for a couple of them

3157
02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:40,960
and if we need explanations for all of

3158
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:46,630
them we'll certainly ask for them.

3159
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:49,200
» I mean we all have the emails or

3160
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:51,200
correspondent with regards to

3161
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:52,800
>> some of them correspondence

3162
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:56,560
>> and some they're not. So for the ones

3163
02:29:56,560 --> 02:30:00,800
that we have emails we can discuss those

3164
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:09,750
but we'll stay with the position

3165
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:12,720
supervisor receipt I think that we did

3166
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:16,479
receive an email with a clear

3167
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:18,080
clarification

3168
02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:20,880
on that.

3169
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:23,040
So

3170
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:29,270
we can start with that one.

3171
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,680
I'm okay going with the proposed budget

3172
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:36,950
of 98850.

3173
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:40,080
» Yeah. Based based on the based on the

3174
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:43,200
email that I receive, we received I am

3175
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:44,800
okay

3176
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:47,920
to align this position

3177
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:52,080
with proposed um budget.

3178
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:56,309
I'm sorry. U

3179
02:30:56,319 --> 02:30:58,080
» you did skip one, but do you want to go

3180
02:30:58,080 --> 02:30:58,880
back to that one?

3181
02:30:58,880 --> 02:30:59,840
>> Which one we skipped?

3182
02:30:59,840 --> 02:31:01,439
>> Accounting supervisor.

3183
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:02,960
>> Do you have Do we have an email?

3184
02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:05,600
>> It's on this um sheet uh that we just

3185
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:06,640
goted. Um

3186
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:11,200
>> no, we're talking about emails or any

3187
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:12,720
correspondent that we received to

3188
02:31:12,720 --> 02:31:17,280
explain as to why is going beyond.

3189
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:18,640
>> Okay. So, we're not going to look at

3190
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:20,640
>> I can recall that we received an email.

3191
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:22,000
>> Oh, yeah. No, I know. position

3192
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:22,880
>> I think. Yeah.

3193
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:24,960
>> So if we if we have on any other

3194
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:28,240
position let's talk about it.

3195
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:28,960
>> Go ahead please.

3196
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:30,560
>> Thank you. So I I can say that I think

3197
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:32,319
our last discussion around this we did

3198
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:33,680
reach out to a couple of department

3199
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:35,840
heads seated around the table and gave

3200
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:38,560
us explanations about that and I would

3201
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:41,600
have to respect the recommendation from

3202
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,080
department heads at this point

3203
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:47,920
>> um uh at the with the races they request

3204
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:51,200
um and trust their judgment and the

3205
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:53,760
lines as is.

3206
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,600
>> So that's what we would be doing just be

3207
02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:00,160
doing it on sheet. Right. That's what I

3208
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:02,399
got, right?

3209
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:04,960
>> I mean, I I can't say one department

3210
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:07,760
head

3211
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:09,520
>> has a better explanation than another

3212
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:11,520
department head. So, I'm going to trust

3213
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:13,680
their

3214
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:15,120
recommendations.

3215
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:19,349
>> I'm I'm

3216
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:22,560
in this column 2026

3217
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:24,720
proposed budget.

3218
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:25,040
>> Yes.

3219
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:26,880
>> On the sheet that we just got today.

3220
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:28,960
>> Mhm. I'm okay with going with that

3221
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:31,200
column.

3222
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:31,680
>> Okay.

3223
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:33,760
>> Some people are 0% raise.

3224
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:34,399
>> No.

3225
02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:35,760
>> Yep.

3226
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:37,280
>> For example, but I'm just saying, you

3227
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:38,399
know what I mean? They're not their

3228
02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:39,840
salary is not going up.

3229
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:43,990
>> They are at 3%.

3230
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:47,280
» Anything anything that is over 3% is

3231
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:49,120
highlighted

3232
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:50,479
>> in those columns.

3233
02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:52,399
>> Okay. I was just looking for example at

3234
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:54,000
the third line down

3235
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,840
>> there's a 0% change in that

3236
02:32:55,840 --> 02:32:57,680
>> and the numbers that I asked you to

3237
02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:59,680
strike out the positive numbers is the

3238
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,720
one that the proposed budget did not ask

3239
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:05,600
for an increase so we only dealing with

3240
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:08,720
the negative numbers

3241
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,640
and I think we are in in agreement to

3242
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:13,840
>> which which

3243
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:15,520
>> oh you guys are looking at I was looking

3244
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:17,040
at the sheet we got today you guys are

3245
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:17,760
looking at this

3246
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:18,640
>> the same sheet though

3247
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:18,960
>> okay

3248
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:21,359
>> yeah Okay. Um,

3249
02:33:21,359 --> 02:33:22,720
>> this is very clear because it gives us

3250
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:23,920
the percent change.

3251
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:26,479
>> Go ahead, Miss Williams.

3252
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:29,439
>> I am in agreement with supporting the

3253
02:33:29,439 --> 02:33:32,560
recommended figures for girls lines. I'm

3254
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:36,880
not agreeing with this structure until

3255
02:33:36,880 --> 02:33:41,120
we have an internal job evaluation.

3256
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:43,680
I can get to where you are. I can take a

3257
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:45,520
step towards you by putting the

3258
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:47,359
difference about the 3% and the

3259
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:49,040
outbreak.

3260
02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:52,479
uh and and and is out of great category.

3261
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:54,160
I would hope that if you are confident

3262
02:33:54,160 --> 02:33:55,920
receiving this, you ensure these

3263
02:33:55,920 --> 02:33:58,240
individuals get that compensation that

3264
02:33:58,240 --> 02:33:59,439
you would have minimum take a step

3265
02:33:59,439 --> 02:34:01,439
towards me. And there's neither of us

3266
02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:04,000
saying no. It is saying we need to

3267
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:05,760
continue to consider all of the

3268
02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:07,600
positions.

3269
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,520
Otherwise, we could be just continuing

3270
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:13,280
to chase inflated salary, which is not

3271
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:16,160
even a point of debate. It's a fact. So,

3272
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:17,920
I'm weary why we would continue down

3273
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:21,359
this path knowing the bulky back. And

3274
02:34:21,359 --> 02:34:22,560
there's nothing wrong with saying we

3275
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:24,640
need to be more efficient with how we

3276
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:26,800
operate as a city. There is something

3277
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:28,720
wrong with our continued disregard and

3278
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:32,319
just continued on for I refuse to do

3279
02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:35,670
that.

3280
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:37,520
» I would support in the future having a

3281
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:39,840
salary evaluation. I know that we did

3282
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:41,520
talk about that last year and it doesn't

3283
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,920
seem to have happened, but I'm I'm good

3284
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:46,560
with the sheet as presented tonight.

3285
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:48,479
>> You say support in the future. We all

3286
02:34:48,479 --> 02:34:50,880
support a resolution that we all voted

3287
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:51,760
unanimously.

3288
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,520
>> No, I understand. But what I'm saying is

3289
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:55,680
all I'm saying is we can't really do it

3290
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:57,840
tonight in order to pass a budget. So,

3291
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:00,000
we might as well put it on hold until

3292
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:01,520
after we have a budget.

3293
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:03,840
>> The resolution still stand. the council

3294
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,560
unanimously passed a resolution asking

3295
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:10,800
for a wage uh study

3296
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:11,439
and we have

3297
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:12,640
>> so we do need to do that. I think you

3298
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:14,080
and I are saying the same thing. Yes.

3299
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:15,120
And so is Mr. Williams.

3300
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:16,640
>> You can't say support something in the

3301
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:18,560
future. We already have it. We already

3302
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:19,359
support it.

3303
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:20,880
>> I'm just saying we're not going to do it

3304
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:21,920
tonight

3305
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:24,640
>> or by the time November 1st comes and we

3306
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:27,439
need to have a budget. So I think we're

3307
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:29,600
on the same page here that we need to do

3308
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:32,160
that evaluation. I just don't think that

3309
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:34,080
we're going to be doing a salary ne

3310
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:38,160
evaluation tonight. So, I'm supporting

3311
02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:40,160
um I don't know which sheet this is, but

3312
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:41,439
I'm just saying you're saying it's the

3313
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:44,160
same as what's in the in the budget. Um

3314
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:46,240
I'm I'm I'm good with that. It looks

3315
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:47,840
like everybody is good with that. And

3316
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:50,319
we're just also talking about, you know,

3317
02:35:50,319 --> 02:35:52,880
what's not going to happen tonight.

3318
02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:54,720
>> I I don't think anybody's good.

3319
02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:58,319
>> No, not everybody's going to be

3320
02:35:58,319 --> 02:36:01,200
>> You don't want to give these races? No.

3321
02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,120
Let's speak for ourselves.

3322
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:05,280
>> Okay. Okay. Then I'll just I'll back off

3323
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:07,439
and say that I support the raises that

3324
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:07,840
are here.

3325
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:09,359
>> Trying to make it very clear. This

3326
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:12,399
council passed a resolution unanimously

3327
02:36:12,399 --> 02:36:13,439
asking for

3328
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:15,120
>> Mr. You don't have to say the same thing

3329
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,880
to me.

3330
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:19,280
>> But um we can't say that they're going

3331
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:20,960
to support something. We already support

3332
02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:22,240
it. It should have happened. It didn't

3333
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:27,280
happen. Here we are this week follow

3334
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:29,280
>> the comparison that was done a year ago

3335
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:31,920
with the debate was referencing pay

3336
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:35,359
rates in other municipalities.

3337
02:36:35,359 --> 02:36:38,560
The council requested a study that put

3338
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,479
together annually what I believe is

3339
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:42,080
comprehensive study by the New York

3340
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:45,520
Conference of Mayors comparing rates for

3341
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:47,760
other municipalities.

3342
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:50,319
>> The internal I think Mr. Williams links

3343
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:52,560
were chasing inflated salary levels

3344
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:54,399
here. You have to point out which one

3345
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:57,200
which employees getting overpaid.

3346
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:00,080
The reality is the pay scale in the city

3347
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:03,280
of Skony is drifting toward the lower

3348
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:07,200
end of the marketplace. Our benefit

3349
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:10,960
package is clearly at the higher end of

3350
02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:14,160
the benefit package.

3351
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:17,200
And so when you're hiring younger

3352
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:20,000
workers coming in, they would like to be

3353
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,560
paid more money and aren't quite as

3354
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:24,080
concerned about retirement and

3355
02:37:24,080 --> 02:37:27,280
healthcare and the other issues.

3356
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:29,680
Uh and it's harder to get younger

3357
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:32,479
employees. Older employees are much more

3358
02:37:32,479 --> 02:37:36,160
appreciative of the

3359
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,160
again retirement benefits, the health

3360
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:42,479
care, other packages they get. that is a

3361
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:46,080
much more complicated fact pattern than

3362
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:49,200
simple resolution and some quick study

3363
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,200
that is

3364
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:53,439
out there. So you know the some of the

3365
02:37:53,439 --> 02:37:55,920
pay raise again were done where

3366
02:37:55,920 --> 02:37:58,000
employees have made pitches directly to

3367
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:00,319
the council to bypass

3368
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:03,280
the management staff. They only give you

3369
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,840
one side of the argument. They're not

3370
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:08,240
looking at other factors that I may have

3371
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:09,760
considered when I made the budget.

3372
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,840
council has bypassed that, discounted

3373
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:14,319
it, and move forward. I've chosen not to

3374
02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:16,000
make that an issue or embarrass

3375
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:19,920
employees or make big uh stink out of.

3376
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:22,319
But I've made recommendations on these

3377
02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:25,439
employees this year and those components

3378
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:27,439
of management perhaps that the council

3379
02:38:27,439 --> 02:38:30,080
go forward and support that and then we

3380
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:33,120
look together. How do you address some

3381
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:34,880
of those

3382
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:38,479
uh inequities that are in the system

3383
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:40,479
depending on whether you're a new

3384
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:42,240
employee coming in, you consider it the

3385
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:43,760
inequity, but you're not getting paid

3386
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:46,080
quite as much, but when you're an older

3387
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:48,960
employee, you're getting benefit package

3388
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:51,920
that really is not offered anywhere else

3389
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:54,800
in the marketplace. And I think uh back

3390
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:58,399
to M Williams on my my my position

3391
02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:01,760
myself looking for

3392
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:05,120
address that behind us in terms of the

3393
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:09,439
uh if there's any adjustment in terms of this to

3394
02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:10,080
happen.

3395
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:11,760
>> So So you're in agreement with what the

3396
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,840
mayor just said,

3397
02:39:13,840 --> 02:39:15,040
>> right? Is that what I'm hearing?

3398
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:16,800
>> No, I'm not going to I'm not going to

3399
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:19,680
I'm not debating agreeing with anybody.

3400
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:21,600
I'm here making a statement. That's what

3401
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:23,760
we need. That's what we asking for what

3402
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,439
he said and I hope that we can get that

3403
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:28,000
because we need to move on. If we have

3404
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,080
that study, we can move on.

3405
02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:31,760
>> Right now we don't have the study. So we

3406
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:34,479
we're just looking at numbers here.

3407
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:37,359
>> Okay. So because tonight we don't have

3408
02:39:37,359 --> 02:39:38,640
the study. So

3409
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:40,880
>> well I have given the study. It's done

3410
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:43,680
by the New York Conference of Mayors.

3411
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:47,920
>> It's been forwarded to Mr. Mudar.

3412
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:50,080
You did not forward it to me, please.

3413
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:53,280
>> I got that from

3414
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:55,439
>> and I forward it to the entire council a

3415
02:39:55,439 --> 02:39:56,080
week ago.

3416
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:56,880
>> Yeah.

3417
02:39:56,880 --> 02:39:57,200
>> So,

3418
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:59,359
>> you asked me to reach out to. It's

3419
02:39:59,359 --> 02:40:02,560
available at night and I sent it to you.

3420
02:40:02,560 --> 02:40:03,680
>> No, you didn't.

3421
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:05,280
>> No, you did not.

3422
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:08,720
>> I think that's a little

3423
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:11,760
crazy. So again, I think what we want to

3424
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:16,479
do now is, you know, deal with the facts

3425
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:19,280
as they or more and more go through

3426
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:23,040
this, I feel facts, adjacent

3427
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:26,160
information that we had. The reality is

3428
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:28,880
we're talking about information that was

3429
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:32,000
sent out um to us. However, the

3430
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:34,160
justifications that we that we heard at

3431
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:36,800
this table from department heads did not

3432
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:38,720
align with that. they align with other

3433
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:40,399
reasons that were being brought to the

3434
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:43,920
table. So again, that's why this study

3435
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:48,319
is important because we can't keep

3436
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:50,560
moving the goalpost every time we want

3437
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:53,040
to have a conversation. So, we're saying

3438
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:56,080
I sent you a a study um that was a thing

3439
02:40:56,080 --> 02:41:02,240
from uh Nikon, but then but then the the

3440
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:04,720
raises that we're seeing here represent

3441
02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:08,960
another position in another department.

3442
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:12,479
So, if we need to be using the same

3443
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:14,560
ruler here if we're going to have that

3444
02:41:14,560 --> 02:41:17,680
conversation. So that's why last year

3445
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:20,399
when we got into this conversation, we

3446
02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:24,960
knew that the goalpost was really moving

3447
02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:26,880
the same way it's moving now. So to Mr.

3448
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:30,240
Williams point, what still stands is

3449
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:31,840
that

3450
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:35,200
whatever was sent to us, it's not based

3451
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:38,880
on and and the department heads said to

3452
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:41,280
us multiple times that we don't that

3453
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:44,399
this position is is not filled. So this

3454
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,960
person has to now take on the work of

3455
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:49,680
this other person and that's why that's

3456
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:52,240
the justification for the race. Mr.

3457
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:53,760
Williams point which I agree with is

3458
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:57,200
that if that is based on a a a

3459
02:41:57,200 --> 02:42:00,080
circumstantial situation right now, then

3460
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,160
for us to commit and lock into these pay

3461
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:05,359
rates is going to come back and be a

3462
02:42:05,359 --> 02:42:07,359
problem for us moving forward. That's

3463
02:42:07,359 --> 02:42:08,720
why we're in the problem that we have

3464
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,840
now. So, let's just not act like we're

3465
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:15,600
using the same ruler because we're not.

3466
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:17,680
one raise that we asked did anyone

3467
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:19,280
align it to tonight to the report from

3468
02:42:19,280 --> 02:42:22,080
Nikon. Hasn't happened one time and

3469
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:24,399
that's a fact.

3470
02:42:24,399 --> 02:42:25,680
>> How do you I'm sorry. How do you know

3471
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:28,000
that you you read the Nikon report?

3472
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:30,000
>> No, because I asked the the uh

3473
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:31,680
department has directly how they raised

3474
02:42:31,680 --> 02:42:33,600
the raise and the reasons that I heard

3475
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:35,200
they did not reference Nikon. reasons

3476
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,280
that I heard is that there were um they

3477
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:39,120
were taking on more responsibility due

3478
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:41,040
to lack of positions that there was

3479
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:42,560
other positions within the city that

3480
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:45,120
they felt that might have been um

3481
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:46,800
comparable to them and they were way

3482
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:49,120
below that. As well as we also heard

3483
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:50,720
that there were positions where the

3484
02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:53,359
supervisor was making less than the

3485
02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:54,560
person that they were going to be

3486
02:42:54,560 --> 02:42:56,479
employed by based on a on the

3487
02:42:56,479 --> 02:42:58,240
contractual agreement which management

3488
02:42:58,240 --> 02:43:00,880
is not a part of.

3489
02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:03,439
>> So you're okay with not doing 3% against

3490
02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:06,000
across the board. So, so what I'm saying

3491
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:09,120
and so what you're doing right now is

3492
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:11,439
>> Okay. So, what you're what I'm saying is

3493
02:43:11,439 --> 02:43:13,040
exactly what I'm saying, Miss Patrick.

3494
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:15,359
And I don't want I think that

3495
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:18,640
>> in the spirit of just I I think I've

3496
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:21,280
been pretty clear. Don't if if you have

3497
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:22,640
a direct question based on what I'm

3498
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,160
saying, please ask it and I will clarify

3499
02:43:24,160 --> 02:43:26,399
it for you, but I cannot understand for

3500
02:43:26,399 --> 02:43:28,560
anyone. I'm just saying that this is

3501
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:31,200
what I'm saying is that the the the the

3502
02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:34,319
way that races were justified

3503
02:43:34,319 --> 02:43:36,479
is what I'm basing the conversation on

3504
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:38,880
and and in and how we get to a solution.

3505
02:43:38,880 --> 02:43:40,800
It's very simple. I'm not looking for a

3506
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:42,399
gotcha moment. I'm not trying to point

3507
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:44,399
anybody out. That's not that's not what

3508
02:43:44,399 --> 02:43:46,080
I'm doing. What I'm saying is that let's

3509
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:48,560
not act like there's a fact pattern that

3510
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,479
doesn't exist and not that we're making

3511
02:43:50,479 --> 02:43:51,680
our decisions based on that because

3512
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:53,200
that's disingenuous. That's all I'm

3513
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:55,040
saying.

3514
02:43:55,040 --> 02:44:00,070
Any

3515
02:44:00,080 --> 02:44:02,000
points may

3516
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:04,880
since we keep referencing the um my

3517
02:44:04,880 --> 02:44:10,640
report, I think we should look at it and perhaps these the races that the

3518
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:12,399
mayor has recommended are in mind. I

3519
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:14,479
don't know the answer to that, but we

3520
02:44:14,479 --> 02:44:17,520
certainly haven't even looked at it

3521
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:25,750
in terms of this. Yeah,

3522
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:27,920
» so I'd say with respect to time, I

3523
02:44:27,920 --> 02:44:28,960
definitely think that's something that

3524
02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:31,439
we need to do. To Miss Patrick point, I

3525
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:32,720
would be responsive to the numbers that

3526
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:35,439
were sent to us

3527
02:44:35,439 --> 02:44:38,080
in my compromising,

3528
02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:39,920
which I originally was at the line for

3529
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:42,560
the 3% across the board. I can

3530
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:44,880
compromise and say the additional um

3531
02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:47,600
recommended revenue for these positions

3532
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:49,359
has all been submitted with good reason.

3533
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:52,000
I've content to that. I would say that

3534
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:54,080
difference needs to be put in a separate

3535
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:56,399
category that can be evaluated once this

3536
02:44:56,399 --> 02:44:59,279
set once this assessment has been done

3537
02:44:59,279 --> 02:45:01,439
and the premise behind that is it will

3538
02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:03,040
be done in this year. We'll have a

3539
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:05,359
different conversation this next coming

3540
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:06,960
budget.

3541
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:09,200
My reservation is to continue with the

3542
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:10,640
same thought process we did last year

3543
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:12,640
expecting a different outcome. I that's

3544
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,120
inconsiderate tax base.

3545
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:17,920
>> Agree.

3546
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:19,439
>> So you're please

3547
02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:22,800
>> I feel no that's okay.

3548
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:24,800
>> So Mr. Williams you're recommending that

3549
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:27,600
we put it in paid to those who come with

3550
02:45:27,600 --> 02:45:29,760
an explanation.

3551
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:31,600
>> I would say for I can just respond. I'd

3552
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:32,800
say for all of them because we didn't

3553
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,120
make the explanation a requirement. Uh,

3554
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:36,880
so I think it's offered a bit of an

3555
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:38,640
advantage to some individuals who felt

3556
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:39,920
comfortable reaching out to the council,

3557
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:42,240
which we know is

3558
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:45,760
not the easiest of things to do. Um, but

3559
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:47,279
I think just being responsive to the

3560
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:49,359
numbers that were submitted

3561
02:45:49,359 --> 02:45:51,840
or if we would like to move that way,

3562
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:53,520
putting that recommendation out to those

3563
02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:54,960
individuals and allowing time for them

3564
02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:57,760
to respond to the ones that did not,

3565
02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:01,760
which I do not agree with.

3566
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:04,240
I

3567
02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:07,040
>> I so I like the mayor one of them is

3568
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:10,479
recommendation by the mayor in

3569
02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:13,520
one of them we got an email from another

3570
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:16,720
one we got um who was here in her

3571
02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:20,479
department so um

3572
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:23,359
as I can see we're talking about two

3573
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:24,960
three

3574
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:28,160
four five six seven

3575
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:31,040
and one by until we already have an

3576
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:33,920
explanation for third

3577
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:38,630
um then that's form one

3578
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,319
and again I think we should we should be

3579
02:46:40,319 --> 02:46:44,319
looking and perhaps by

3580
02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:46,640
however I I don't know how I'm hoping

3581
02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:48,000
that people looked at that report when

3582
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:50,080
they did this we should take a look and

3583
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:54,160
see if if if they do coincide with the

3584
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:55,439
additional information people have

3585
02:46:55,439 --> 02:46:57,439
provided us

3586
02:46:57,439 --> 02:47:00,800
and if if it doesn't come outside and if

3587
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:03,120
out of rate pay is if the explanation

3588
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:05,120
that we receive is because people are

3589
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:08,000
doing things outside of their normal job

3590
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:10,640
then I will concur that that that's when

3591
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:12,720
the excitement so I don't think it's a

3592
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:14,479
one-sizefits-all in this particular

3593
02:47:14,479 --> 02:47:17,200
situation

3594
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:18,399
>> that's

3595
02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:20,720
>> no okay I I want to I just

3596
02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:23,760
>> I'm I'm just going to stick to I'm okay

3597
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:26,800
with this chart here

3598
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:27,359
>> okay

3599
02:47:27,359 --> 02:47:30,560
>> for for the purposes of trying to have a

3600
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:33,920
2026 budget by November 1st.

3601
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:36,160
>> Just a quick note, if we're looking to

3602
02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:38,479
do an imagined study, I would recommend

3603
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:41,359
the council allocate some funding

3604
02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:46,640
towards that. Uh I believe in 22

3605
02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:50,080
study and they paid 125,000.

3606
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:51,600
So we're looking at doing some of that.

3607
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:54,240
I recommend putting some money resources

3608
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:56,160
department today and I'm assuming it's

3609
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:57,840
going to be more than that since a few

3610
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:02,790
years ago

3611
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:04,640
» but I think the recommendation was to do

3612
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:09,680
an internal study. I mean we have an HR department that can can do that

3613
02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:10,080
study.

3614
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:12,240
>> We don't have enough staffing to that

3615
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:21,590
study.

3616
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:24,399
Go ahead, please. My concern again is if

3617
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:27,600
we can't get in a place where we can

3618
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:29,200
get the information to make the

3619
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:31,359
decision. That's what I'm hearing. We

3620
02:48:31,359 --> 02:48:33,279
don't have staffing to do that. We put

3621
02:48:33,279 --> 02:48:36,880
money aside. Um last year that we said

3622
02:48:36,880 --> 02:48:38,399
we're going to do it. It didn't happen.

3623
02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:41,120
So it's like

3624
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:43,600
how are we

3625
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:47,269
how do we justify

3626
02:48:47,279 --> 02:48:50,560
» what we're doing without

3627
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:52,240
doing the due diligence and getting the

3628
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:54,640
information that we requested. And I

3629
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:56,080
think that what ends up happening is

3630
02:48:56,080 --> 02:48:58,720
that we find ourselves here and then

3631
02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:01,520
there's a growing and mounting pressure

3632
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:05,600
and then we're playing um the you know

3633
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:07,359
not it game and I'm not the one that's

3634
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:08,560
holding it up and I don't want to hold

3635
02:49:08,560 --> 02:49:12,399
it up based on this. Um and if we're

3636
02:49:12,399 --> 02:49:14,080
having the conversations from a genuine

3637
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:17,279
place, you know, we need to recognize

3638
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:19,040
that there's some missing information.

3639
02:49:19,040 --> 02:49:21,200
There's people who have submitted things

3640
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:23,279
to us. There's other people who haven't.

3641
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:26,319
there's uh people who have said that you

3642
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:27,920
know

3643
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:29,920
that this has happened in previous years

3644
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:32,800
as well um and the council has made

3645
02:49:32,800 --> 02:49:34,240
adjustments based on the information

3646
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:38,240
that we get but again if being equitable

3647
02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:40,640
in our practices is something we value

3648
02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:42,319
at least

3649
02:49:42,319 --> 02:49:44,640
minimum I think we need to acknowledge

3650
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:47,920
the fact that our practice thus far has

3651
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:53,520
been not equitable at all and just And I

3652
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:58,960
would give anyone any uh opportunity to

3653
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:01,040
challenge that. I think that we just

3654
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:02,960
need to part of fixing what's going

3655
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:04,640
wrong is admitting that something is

3656
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,080
wrong here. And that doesn't mean

3657
02:50:06,080 --> 02:50:07,920
anyone's doing a really bad job. That

3658
02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:09,840
means that some of our practices are

3659
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:12,399
just outdated and and we need to just

3660
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:14,319
work on. So I'm just saying this is not

3661
02:50:14,319 --> 02:50:16,080
an equitable practice. But to the point

3662
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:18,080
that we might not be able to come up

3663
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:20,240
with an equitable practice in the point

3664
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:23,279
at this point, you know, I I'm I find

3665
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:24,800
myself aligned with what Mr. Williams

3666
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:28,960
suggesting the recommendations are. Um,

3667
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:51,670
but we need to call a space F.

3668
02:50:51,680 --> 02:50:56,080
Are we asking to have a

3669
02:50:56,080 --> 02:50:59,680
holder for Nikon

3670
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:04,399
to to look at these? Is that just

3671
02:51:04,399 --> 02:51:05,920
or missing?

3672
02:51:05,920 --> 02:51:08,720
>> I I think Mr. the way you're set up

3673
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:10,160
could be solid idea as to how to

3674
02:51:10,160 --> 02:51:11,279
approach it and if that's something

3675
02:51:11,279 --> 02:51:13,040
that's feasible I can align myself with

3676
02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:15,279
that because that's we're we're making

3677
02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:18,399
progress um towards the the proposed bud

3678
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:20,240
budget however we're keeping in mind

3679
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:22,240
that there's been some inequitable

3680
02:51:22,240 --> 02:51:23,760
practices that have gone on that we're

3681
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:25,439
working to rectify so that's why I said

3682
02:51:25,439 --> 02:51:38,550
I would align with your thoughts on

3683
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:42,160
any other suggestion regards to this? I

3684
02:51:42,160 --> 02:51:43,840
mean I don't need to restate my position

3685
02:51:43,840 --> 02:51:47,760
but again for for based on what's being

3686
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:50,800
proposed uh if if someone has increased

3687
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:53,439
responsibilities that remain permanent I

3688
02:51:53,439 --> 02:51:55,520
don't see us using the site method for

3689
02:51:55,520 --> 02:51:57,840
those that are only temporarily taking

3690
02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:01,120
on things because other uh positions are

3691
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:02,720
invas

3692
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:05,040
I

3693
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:07,359
>> wouldn't be able to differentiate those

3694
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:14,230
Mhm.

3695
02:52:14,240 --> 02:52:14,880
» Go ahead, please.

3696
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:16,479
>> I'm just going to also reiterate my

3697
02:52:16,479 --> 02:52:19,200
position that we respect the department

3698
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:20,960
head's recommendations about the people

3699
02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:22,960
that they supervise. So, I'm okay with

3700
02:52:22,960 --> 02:52:24,960
I'm just saying I'm okay with what's on

3701
02:52:24,960 --> 02:52:28,240
this um sheet and I don't want to

3702
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:30,640
prolong the our ability to be able to

3703
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:33,120
pass a budget by having to look at a

3704
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:36,160
report now um or within the next couple

3705
02:52:36,160 --> 02:52:42,000
of days um on the salary survey. So, I'm comfortable with this this chart and

3706
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:43,760
I think that the other discussion is one

3707
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:45,200
that we can have after we pass the

3708
02:52:45,200 --> 02:52:46,160
budget.

3709
02:52:46,160 --> 02:52:47,920
>> Let me just address that. We all been

3710
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:50,560
prolonging this budget including myself.

3711
02:52:50,560 --> 02:52:52,000
So, we should have got this done since

3712
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:53,680
last week. All of us keep putting it

3713
02:52:53,680 --> 02:52:55,520
out. All of us keep saying I'm coming

3714
02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:57,439
recommendation tomorrow. I'm going to

3715
02:52:57,439 --> 02:52:59,040
put my recommendation tomorrow. So, I

3716
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:01,600
want to address that. We'll be pushing

3717
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:04,720
it down to to the end of the day, end of

3718
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:07,040
October. So, I want to make it clear.

3719
02:53:07,040 --> 02:53:09,600
We're coming out here and we all want it

3720
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:11,040
to happen right now.

3721
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:11,439
>> Mhm.

3722
02:53:11,439 --> 02:53:12,560
>> But we should have think about that

3723
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:14,800
since last week. Go ahead,

3724
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:17,840
>> M. I I did. I sent my recommendations

3725
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:19,600
and the time you requested. I set my

3726
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:20,720
recommendations in the only

3727
02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:21,600
recommendation that

3728
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:24,479
>> I copied every single

3729
02:53:24,479 --> 02:53:26,479
do that so again not it we're going to

3730
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:28,160
start that but can I so so I guess the

3731
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:30,160
point I I would like to make is that to

3732
02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:33,520
miss uh Patrick a point around um

3733
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:35,279
trusting what the department heads are

3734
02:53:35,279 --> 02:53:37,439
saying the reality is

3735
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:40,160
>> we need to be clear that what's proposed

3736
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:42,960
in to city council is not necessarily

3737
02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:44,640
what department heads recommended

3738
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:46,640
>> I will agree with you on that I guess I

3739
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:50,240
will come back to what I What I mean is

3740
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:52,000
that the department has had to meet with

3741
02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:55,040
their supervisor and negotiate the same

3742
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:56,640
way that any of us I don't know what

3743
02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:58,399
other people's life experiences have

3744
02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:00,479
been and I think I said this last week

3745
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:03,359
as well but basically whenever I have to

3746
02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:06,560
present a budget in my work life to a

3747
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:08,080
supervisor

3748
02:54:08,080 --> 02:54:10,720
um then you negotiate you know you try

3749
02:54:10,720 --> 02:54:12,319
to come together like I might have put

3750
02:54:12,319 --> 02:54:15,760
oh here's what I want um and my

3751
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,720
supervisor would have said okay not sure

3752
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:20,080
we're going to be able to do that. Let's

3753
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:22,479
talk about it. I'm confident that those

3754
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:26,080
discussions did happen within

3755
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,960
city hall. I'm also going to base on my

3756
02:54:28,960 --> 02:54:31,520
work experience, my own life experience

3757
02:54:31,520 --> 02:54:33,200
that

3758
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:36,080
again I come from a nonprofit priv, you

3759
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:37,920
know, background for the most part in in

3760
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:41,760
the private sector. um

3761
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:44,080
you know the h you you you don't always

3762
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:46,399
get what you want first of all and you

3763
02:54:46,399 --> 02:54:49,120
also have to negotiate these things uh

3764
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:51,600
moving forward. So I I am just saying

3765
02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:55,520
that um I'm I'm going to say that I'm

3766
02:54:55,520 --> 02:54:57,760
confident that the discussions that

3767
02:54:57,760 --> 02:54:59,439
might have happened with department

3768
02:54:59,439 --> 02:55:03,040
heads and then and their staff and then

3769
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:05,200
department heads and the mayor have come

3770
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:08,080
up with this these salary

3771
02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:10,960
recommendations and for our purposes I'm

3772
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:12,479
confident moving forward with these

3773
02:55:12,479 --> 02:55:14,640
salary recommendations based on those

3774
02:55:14,640 --> 02:55:16,160
discussions.

3775
02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:18,800
And I did lose a point. I lost my train

3776
02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:20,399
of thought for a moment there. So I'll

3777
02:55:20,399 --> 02:55:25,670
have to come back to that one.

3778
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:26,560
» Have you had it?

3779
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:28,800
>> No, I just we have to make a decision.

3780
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:33,910
>> That's I I agree.

3781
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:36,479
» Mr. Chairman, just you just you know I

3782
02:55:36,479 --> 02:55:38,880
see a lot here. I'm just throwing this

3783
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:42,000
out. um was filling this out that we get

3784
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:43,760
a request for information from the

3785
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:45,520
department heads regarding those of

3786
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:47,439
salaries and then you couple that with

3787
02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:51,120
the with the report and then you review

3788
02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:53,920
it between now and Thursday and if

3789
02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:56,160
you're not satisfactory this way you

3790
02:55:56,160 --> 02:55:59,359
have something in writing RFI why you

3791
02:55:59,359 --> 02:56:02,240
for this particular person not person

3792
02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:06,560
line item you know why is this person

3793
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:09,439
that blind item getting it the study.

3794
02:56:09,439 --> 02:56:12,479
Does that marry up with the studies from

3795
02:56:12,479 --> 02:56:20,790
the from the uh Nighth

3796
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:24,560
» you have and it's a short suspense and

3797
02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:27,279
it it may not satisfy everybody but at

3798
02:56:27,279 --> 02:56:30,080
least it may you've got something

3799
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:31,120
additional

3800
02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:32,560
>> based on something

3801
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:34,640
>> and I would just say that you know the

3802
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:37,200
following line items we need

3803
02:56:37,200 --> 02:56:39,520
justifications request for information

3804
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,920
from them. Why is this going up and then

3805
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:43,760
you have something

3806
02:56:43,760 --> 02:56:45,120
>> are there particular

3807
02:56:45,120 --> 02:56:48,790
>> throwing back?

3808
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:49,439
» You okay?

3809
02:56:49,439 --> 02:56:50,880
>> I go Mr. Williams and then I come back

3810
02:56:50,880 --> 02:56:53,279
to you. I would say we compromise the

3811
02:56:53,279 --> 02:56:54,800
integrity of getting more information

3812
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:56,560
based on how this conversation has been

3813
02:56:56,560 --> 02:57:00,960
conducted. I would highly have to say I

3814
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:03,120
imagine seeing all staff are listening

3815
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:07,990
right now. I would take notes.

3816
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:11,040
I probably take out various assignments

3817
02:57:11,040 --> 02:57:13,920
um and adjust my my my logic and you'd

3818
02:57:13,920 --> 02:57:16,240
be remiss if they didn't. So I think

3819
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:18,080
based on that logic we have to kind of

3820
02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:22,000
eliminate that if the if the inclination

3821
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:25,600
is to reference your Nikon study I can

3822
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:28,240
accept that I would say that it's been

3823
02:57:28,240 --> 02:57:30,000
further prolonging this and I have every

3824
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:32,000
intention of passing in two nights.

3825
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:32,399
>> Me too.

3826
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:35,520
>> I do too. Hence, hence moving these

3827
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:38,800
phones above 3% to the out of grade

3828
02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:42,000
category to get to where my peers are in

3829
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:44,000
some respects while still leaving

3830
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:46,319
impossibility to have this study or not

3831
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:48,160
reference this information in the

3832
02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:50,560
following year without punitively

3833
02:57:50,560 --> 02:57:52,560
holding hostage these compensation

3834
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:56,560
salaries for individuals. That is awful.

3835
02:57:56,560 --> 02:57:57,120
Go ahead.

3836
02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:59,920
>> I I agree. I'd like to do this tonight.

3837
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:03,840
Um my only question is and um I just

3838
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:05,359
maybe the commissioner of finance can

3839
02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:07,040
tell us

3840
02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:09,359
what is meant by out of grade when it

3841
02:58:09,359 --> 02:58:12,000
comes to management staff again in my

3842
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:13,439
because it's not something that I've

3843
02:58:13,439 --> 02:58:16,720
encountered in my own work life. So um I

3844
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:18,720
just need an explanation of that. But it

3845
02:58:18,720 --> 02:58:20,880
sounds like we're in alignment in terms

3846
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:23,120
of trying to determine this tonight. I

3847
02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:24,560
think the best person to give you that

3848
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:27,600
answer would be uh mayor

3849
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:30,080
>> scenario would be the deputy

3850
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:32,160
commissioner of finance is filling in

3851
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:36,160
for the finance commissioner so it's a

3852
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:37,040
bump in pay

3853
02:58:37,040 --> 02:58:39,520
>> gotcha that's out of grade

3854
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:42,399
>> okay

3855
02:58:42,399 --> 02:58:52,150
>> I'm not giving either

3856
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:54,000
I'm willing to compromise for those

3857
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:56,720
things because we we're currently saying

3858
02:58:56,720 --> 02:58:58,399
we need to get a budget. We need to get

3859
02:58:58,399 --> 02:59:01,120
a budget because we only have hours

3860
02:59:01,120 --> 02:59:02,880
left.

3861
02:59:02,880 --> 02:59:05,279
>> Mhm.

3862
02:59:05,279 --> 02:59:07,200
>> So,

3863
02:59:07,200 --> 02:59:08,240
>> anybody else?

3864
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:09,920
>> Mfield.

3865
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:12,000
I'm willing to compromise but u because

3866
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:15,120
I compromised with Mr. Farley to remove

3867
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:19,359
where I was move towards uh because both

3868
02:59:19,359 --> 02:59:22,479
of us align now and Mr. is saying let's

3869
02:59:22,479 --> 02:59:24,640
move all the

3870
02:59:24,640 --> 02:59:27,920
So you're saying anything above the 3%

3871
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:30,880
move into a

3872
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:33,520
is it out of bre

3873
02:59:33,520 --> 02:59:36,640
um bucket

3874
02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:40,560
and then draw them from that to pay the

3875
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:44,000
individual um positions

3876
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:47,359
until we realign with a study and then

3877
02:59:47,359 --> 02:59:48,800
we can able to do a budget

3878
02:59:48,800 --> 02:59:50,800
reappropriation

3879
02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:52,640
and increase those final position

3880
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:53,680
accordingly.

3881
02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:54,319
>> Oh,

3882
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:56,080
>> okay. Hold on. Now I think I'm getting

3883
02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:58,399
it. Are you saying that if we move that

3884
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:01,120
into an outofgrade line then not

3885
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:02,800
necessarily will these people actually

3886
03:00:02,800 --> 03:00:03,920
get these increases?

3887
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:04,560
>> That is correct.

3888
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:06,319
>> Oh yeah, I don't support that then. I

3889
03:00:06,319 --> 03:00:08,000
want I want these I think these

3890
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:11,359
increases which are based on perform

3891
03:00:11,359 --> 03:00:13,200
based on performance evaluation and

3892
03:00:13,200 --> 03:00:15,359
discussions that department heads have

3893
03:00:15,359 --> 03:00:17,200
had both with their staff and then with

3894
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:20,000
the mayor are what I would support. So I

3895
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:21,279
hear what you're saying. So what you're

3896
03:00:21,279 --> 03:00:23,680
saying is if it goes into out of grade

3897
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:25,680
then and even take it another step down

3898
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:28,640
the line to next year. It could be that

3899
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:31,359
now we have to renegotiate these. What

3900
03:00:31,359 --> 03:00:33,439
if it's the same person right that's in

3901
03:00:33,439 --> 03:00:36,160
that position? Um now they may not get

3902
03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:39,439
the salary increase next year. Am I

3903
03:00:39,439 --> 03:00:43,680
understanding that correct? Is that over

3904
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:47,040
you jump

3905
03:00:47,040 --> 03:00:49,120
right into it? I was trying to reignite

3906
03:00:49,120 --> 03:00:50,800
what Mr. Williams was saying and I was

3907
03:00:50,800 --> 03:00:53,040
going to say sometimes we jump into each

3908
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:54,800
other conversation and allow

3909
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:56,160
>> I'm just trying to understand it.

3910
03:00:56,160 --> 03:00:59,040
>> No. So Mr. Williams, did I capture what

3911
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:02,319
you're trying to suggest? What is lost

3912
03:01:02,319 --> 03:01:04,479
in translation? I think Mr. Farley

3913
03:01:04,479 --> 03:01:06,720
eloquently identified it. the manner in

3914
03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:08,080
which we've been providing compensation

3915
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:10,240
in the city is out of date. There's

3916
03:01:10,240 --> 03:01:12,160
nothing wrong with that. We need a

3917
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:14,240
source material to reference and apply

3918
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:16,560
whenever we are considering compensation

3919
03:01:16,560 --> 03:01:19,040
reinvestments or just an entire

3920
03:01:19,040 --> 03:01:21,200
collective reassessment of who we are as

3921
03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:24,319
a city. May point previously to my

3922
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:27,200
comment of inflated salary lines. I

3923
03:01:27,200 --> 03:01:31,120
accept that in comparison to industry

3924
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:33,040
standards within the city of Skenctity

3925
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:34,880
because I do not hope that having a

3926
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:38,560
comparative analysis of us to Newberg or

3927
03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:40,560
Rochester has any relevancy for the city

3928
03:01:40,560 --> 03:01:43,680
of connect whatsoever. I think it's how

3929
03:01:43,680 --> 03:01:45,680
does this align with comparable

3930
03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:48,160
positions in the job market and that is

3931
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:49,840
different than where we are now. you're

3932
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,080
required to do a review for all the

3933
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:53,520
rules, not just the ones that were

3934
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:56,479
approved for this budget proposed

3935
03:01:56,479 --> 03:01:58,880
discussion right now.

3936
03:01:58,880 --> 03:02:00,720
So, it's that until we had that

3937
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:02,560
discussion because the intent was last

3938
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:04,560
budget year to have that discussion this

3939
03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:05,600
year didn't happen.

3940
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:06,000
>> Yeah.

3941
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,920
>> Didn't happen for whatever reason.

3942
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:10,000
Didn't happen. I'm not going to continue

3943
03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:11,840
with the same logic of hoping that

3944
03:02:11,840 --> 03:02:13,680
that's going to happen. how I can

3945
03:02:13,680 --> 03:02:16,800
protect the interest that I have from my

3946
03:02:16,800 --> 03:02:18,640
seat at the table is that we make these

3947
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:20,479
temporary until we have a permanent

3948
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:23,279
solution moving forward.

3949
03:02:23,279 --> 03:02:26,080
>> Uh and based on this conversation and

3950
03:02:26,080 --> 03:02:28,560
based on what we had asked for, I'm

3951
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:31,840
going to align myself for Mr. Williams

3952
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:34,399
recommendation. Mr. Chair, if you will,

3953
03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:36,319
uh the the issue here or one of the

3954
03:02:36,319 --> 03:02:38,640
issues that that I think that needs to

3955
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:42,720
be flagged um is that you know we can

3956
03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:45,840
look at the impact of the what we're

3957
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:47,520
having the conversation we're having at

3958
03:02:47,520 --> 03:02:49,840
the table right now and assign a number

3959
03:02:49,840 --> 03:02:53,680
to it that might seem um not as

3960
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:56,560
significant in regards to the overall

3961
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:59,200
budget. The issue with what we're facing

3962
03:02:59,200 --> 03:03:03,520
is that these have compounding effects.

3963
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:06,000
Okay. So this year

3964
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:10,080
what we do this year as far as a raise

3965
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:12,720
impacts what happens next year and then

3966
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:14,880
as well as the next hire. So it's like

3967
03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:17,760
when we think of how we're getting the

3968
03:03:17,760 --> 03:03:19,520
formula that we're using I don't it

3969
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:21,439
doesn't necessarily always need to be

3970
03:03:21,439 --> 03:03:24,720
apples to apples but it can't be apples

3971
03:03:24,720 --> 03:03:27,359
to pigs. It can't be

3972
03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:30,240
so far off that that we're not even

3973
03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:33,439
having the same conversation. Um, and I

3974
03:03:33,439 --> 03:03:36,399
just I

3975
03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:40,560
don't accept or receive the notion of

3976
03:03:40,560 --> 03:03:42,160
like, hey, we, you know, we have to pass

3977
03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:45,040
a budget, so we have to do it.

3978
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:47,520
I think that of course we all know that

3979
03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:50,960
we have to pass a budget, but what's the

3980
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:53,760
purpose of passing a budget that we

3981
03:03:53,760 --> 03:03:55,760
don't believe in just for the sake of

3982
03:03:55,760 --> 03:03:57,840
doing? I think that we all have relative

3983
03:03:57,840 --> 03:03:59,279
amount of compromise that we have to

3984
03:03:59,279 --> 03:04:04,399
give. and I I've done it um in good

3985
03:04:04,399 --> 03:04:06,479
faith, but it doesn't take away from the

3986
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:08,240
fact that there's some glaring practices

3987
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,240
that have compounding results that we

3988
03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:12,319
really need to factor in or we'll be in

3989
03:04:12,319 --> 03:04:14,560
here same position next year cuz guess

3990
03:04:14,560 --> 03:04:16,240
what? We was in that same position last

3991
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:18,560
year and guess what? It'll be year

3992
03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:22,399
before that. So, I think at some point

3993
03:04:22,399 --> 03:04:25,600
we might have to stay stay later to have

3994
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:28,479
that conversation.

3995
03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:29,840
Are you still going to be staying till

3996
03:04:29,840 --> 03:04:31,359
2:00 tomorrow morning?

3997
03:04:31,359 --> 03:04:35,760
>> Man, I'm saying I'm saying that. Just

3998
03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:37,520
>> I'm saying what I'm saying. It's clear,

3999
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:39,439
man.

4000
03:04:39,439 --> 03:04:42,720
>> I'm with you.

4001
03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:44,240
>> Yeah. Let's take I'm going to take a

4002
03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:45,120
private plate.

4003
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:47,439
>> Let me So,

4004
03:04:47,439 --> 03:04:47,920
>> yeah.

4005
03:04:47,920 --> 03:04:53,600
>> May I ask you, are you aligning with u

4006
03:04:53,600 --> 03:04:56,640
>> Oh, yeah. Very clear what William said.

4007
03:04:56,640 --> 03:05:05,520
My my concern is what is is the how practical is it based on how

4008
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:08,160
these lines are being identified. Um

4009
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:11,200
that that's that would be my

4010
03:05:11,200 --> 03:05:14,720
only concern. But I think that it

4011
03:05:14,720 --> 03:05:16,640
absolutely makes sense and it show it

4012
03:05:16,640 --> 03:05:18,080
demonstrates that we're being responsive

4013
03:05:18,080 --> 03:05:20,240
to what we've learned over the couple

4014
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:22,000
years.

4015
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:23,920
This is totally

4016
03:05:23,920 --> 03:05:25,760
for what proposed.

4017
03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:28,319
>> Yes, absolutely. I just I just want to

4018
03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:29,920
what did I I didn't hear the question or

4019
03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:30,319
answer.

4020
03:05:30,319 --> 03:05:32,319
>> Are you form on what was proposed the

4021
03:05:32,319 --> 03:05:34,560
mayor's proposed budget in terms of the

4022
03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:35,520
>> Okay. Thank you.

4023
03:05:35,520 --> 03:05:36,240
>> Are you okay?

4024
03:05:36,240 --> 03:05:37,200
>> Oh, yes, you are.

4025
03:05:37,200 --> 03:05:38,960
>> I I'm sticking with this with this

4026
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:41,439
sheet. I I really feel that our human

4027
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:43,279
resources are probably one of our most

4028
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:46,560
valuable things that we have. Um and at

4029
03:05:46,560 --> 03:05:49,279
this point I I want to respect what um

4030
03:05:49,279 --> 03:05:51,920
is being presented to us and I was I do

4031
03:05:51,920 --> 03:05:53,359
remember what I was trying to say from

4032
03:05:53,359 --> 03:05:55,439
my own life with and job experience

4033
03:05:55,439 --> 03:05:59,600
which is that um again I was in private

4034
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:02,399
nonprofit but rule of thumb and all the

4035
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:04,240
training all the education I had over

4036
03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:07,040
four decades of that is you know you

4037
03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:08,560
want to make sure that you're also

4038
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:10,720
understanding roles and responsibilities

4039
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:14,720
as well and I don't want to cross into

4040
03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:16,800
uh necessarily

4041
03:06:16,800 --> 03:06:20,800
um going against what our expert the

4042
03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:22,720
expertise of our staff, our department

4043
03:06:22,720 --> 03:06:24,399
heads and the people that are here on a

4044
03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:27,439
day-to-day basis. So, um I'm sticking

4045
03:06:27,439 --> 03:06:30,960
with the sheet um with the idea that

4046
03:06:30,960 --> 03:06:33,120
>> down the line if we want to do some sort

4047
03:06:33,120 --> 03:06:35,600
of an evaluative study whether it's

4048
03:06:35,600 --> 03:06:38,479
in-house or whether we put I don't know

4049
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:42,960
125 $200,000 back into this budget um to

4050
03:06:42,960 --> 03:06:46,560
do that study um you know I'd be open to

4051
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:48,399
talking about that at a later date after

4052
03:06:48,399 --> 03:06:51,520
we have a budget in place for 2026. Miss

4053
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:53,840
Patrick, with all respect, it was a

4054
03:06:53,840 --> 03:06:58,640
reason why last year we passed that um

4055
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:01,279
that resolution to ask for the study

4056
03:07:01,279 --> 03:07:05,359
because we felt at that time that

4057
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:08,720
management is not fully compensated

4058
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,160
across the board and we wanted that

4059
03:07:10,160 --> 03:07:13,120
study to see where there's any shortfall

4060
03:07:13,120 --> 03:07:14,960
and we could have addressed that and

4061
03:07:14,960 --> 03:07:16,479
pick up. Yeah,

4062
03:07:16,479 --> 03:07:19,040
>> I without that study we don't know where

4063
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:21,520
we are. It could be yes these are

4064
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:23,120
correct but how do we know that these

4065
03:07:23,120 --> 03:07:24,800
are correct? Maybe there could be shortf

4066
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:29,120
falls in in this right now here that we should have been addressed and

4067
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:30,640
that's why we're asking for the study.

4068
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:31,840
So

4069
03:07:31,840 --> 03:07:35,120
>> but are you study within the next week?

4070
03:07:35,120 --> 03:07:38,319
We're all concerned about the study. Did

4071
03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:40,720
it happen? If it happened, how do we

4072
03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:42,800
know that everybody's being compensated

4073
03:07:42,800 --> 03:07:44,319
accordingly?

4074
03:07:44,319 --> 03:07:46,640
And you know, it's it's hopefully that

4075
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:50,319
we can get it. You know, next question.

4076
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:51,920
It should happen, but it didn't happen,

4077
03:07:51,920 --> 03:07:53,040
but what are we going to do? Move

4078
03:07:53,040 --> 03:07:54,880
forward.

4079
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:57,600
I just want to say I believe our last um

4080
03:07:57,600 --> 03:08:01,510
BR

4081
03:08:01,520 --> 03:08:03,359
as we sat around this table talking

4082
03:08:03,359 --> 03:08:06,240
about it um was under the same

4083
03:08:06,240 --> 03:08:09,040
impression that uh you know looking into

4084
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:12,399
and doing an in-house that I remember

4085
03:08:12,399 --> 03:08:14,399
>> I don't think we talk about it

4086
03:08:14,399 --> 03:08:15,439
>> you mean last year

4087
03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:19,760
>> yeah last year when we asked last year

4088
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:20,800
for it

4089
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:22,880
>> then yes it can it was proposed to be

4090
03:08:22,880 --> 03:08:24,000
done in house

4091
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:26,000
>> in So there were no recommendation for

4092
03:08:26,000 --> 03:08:27,520
outside consultant at that point in

4093
03:08:27,520 --> 03:08:30,000
time. It was more of driven inhouse

4094
03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:30,560
study.

4095
03:08:30,560 --> 03:08:32,319
>> I'm fine with that. I'm fine with having

4096
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:34,800
an in-house study for next year.

4097
03:08:34,800 --> 03:08:37,840
>> Morfield, what what is your position on this?

4098
03:08:37,840 --> 03:08:42,399
>> I I'll restate it. My position is for

4099
03:08:42,399 --> 03:08:45,600
the POS for those who explanation was

4100
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,720
given to us that they working outside of

4101
03:08:48,720 --> 03:08:51,680
their regular job duties then to move

4102
03:08:51,680 --> 03:08:54,880
them to a segment. for those who gave us

4103
03:08:54,880 --> 03:08:57,040
clear explanation that the job had

4104
03:08:57,040 --> 03:08:59,760
expanded that I am fine with the race

4105
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:02,800
that there but that explanation came

4106
03:09:02,800 --> 03:09:04,880
from their supervisor or whoever it was.

4107
03:09:04,880 --> 03:09:07,040
So I'm not again that's not going to be

4108
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:08,319
for me it's not a cookie cutter

4109
03:09:08,319 --> 03:09:10,560
approach. I think I'm looking at each of

4110
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:14,160
these individually or or sim couple are

4111
03:09:14,160 --> 03:09:16,479
in the same situation but I'm not going

4112
03:09:16,479 --> 03:09:19,359
to say that every single person moving

4113
03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:21,680
all of the extra into out of great pay

4114
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:23,359
because it doesn't qualify as out of

4115
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:25,760
great pay because it's a regular duties

4116
03:09:25,760 --> 03:09:29,040
that they do as regular basis and I know

4117
03:09:29,040 --> 03:09:31,359
it's not ideal and I know we should have

4118
03:09:31,359 --> 03:09:34,160
a study must please not revisit that but

4119
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:36,160
this is where we are today.

4120
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:38,640
>> Can you identify the position that uh

4121
03:09:38,640 --> 03:09:41,040
Should we

4122
03:09:41,040 --> 03:09:42,720
please so I can make notes?

4123
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:44,800
>> Well, we all got the email.

4124
03:09:44,800 --> 03:09:47,359
>> Yes. So I one one I have there in terms

4125
03:09:47,359 --> 03:09:49,840
of the supervisor receive.

4126
03:09:49,840 --> 03:09:53,279
>> That's correct. And that individual

4127
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:59,349
explanation supervisor might

4128
03:09:59,359 --> 03:10:00,399
» executive secretary.

4129
03:10:00,399 --> 03:10:03,520
>> Can I just clarify? So, you're okay with

4130
03:10:03,520 --> 03:10:04,960
>> I I think I'm hearing you say that

4131
03:10:04,960 --> 03:10:07,200
you're okay with these these recommended

4132
03:10:07,200 --> 03:10:09,439
salary increases tonight.

4133
03:10:09,439 --> 03:10:14,479
>> Well, not not 100%. Maybe I'm saying

4134
03:10:14,479 --> 03:10:16,960
if those recommendations were because

4135
03:10:16,960 --> 03:10:20,160
they were getting doing dupies

4136
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:21,439
and not because their duties had

4137
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:25,110
expanded.

4138
03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:27,120
» I do, but what about um if their

4139
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:29,840
performance was, you know, excellent or

4140
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:31,439
not excellent? What about if they were

4141
03:10:31,439 --> 03:10:33,359
here for a long time or not here for a

4142
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:35,840
long time? I mean, I think the raises

4143
03:10:35,840 --> 03:10:38,880
also pro I I think that the raises and

4144
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:41,279
I'm not same as same as you. I'm not

4145
03:10:41,279 --> 03:10:43,359
going to I'm not saying we don't need a

4146
03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:45,120
study.

4147
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:49,439
>> Good idea. Um but in terms of 2026 and

4148
03:10:49,439 --> 03:10:53,920
what we're trying to do, um

4149
03:10:53,920 --> 03:10:55,600
you know, I I think there is going to be

4150
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:59,279
variation in in the salary increases. I

4151
03:10:59,279 --> 03:11:00,720
think we're saying that you and I are

4152
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:04,080
saying the same thing. Okay.

4153
03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:06,880
>> So, so the executive secretary, we

4154
03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:08,319
received the explanation.

4155
03:11:08,319 --> 03:11:10,080
>> Well, that that that would be the mayor

4156
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:13,840
>> accounting supervisor uh advisor

4157
03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:17,190
received.

4158
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:19,520
» I see. So, you're looking at the

4159
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:25,030
>> registr.

4160
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:28,960
Oh, you did. Yeah, you did that. Okay.

4161
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:33,269
payroll manager,

4162
03:11:33,279 --> 03:11:34,960
» deputy.

4163
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:35,840
>> Okay.

4164
03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:39,429
>> Payroll manager.

4165
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:41,920
» Uh down to supervisor of buildings,

4166
03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:46,070
right?

4167
03:11:46,080 --> 03:11:52,230
» Chief technology officer,

4168
03:11:52,240 --> 03:11:55,920
commissioner of public safety.

4169
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:57,279
Is that what we're doing, guys? We're

4170
03:11:57,279 --> 03:11:58,640
looking at the

4171
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:00,560
>> commission of public safety is that's a

4172
03:12:00,560 --> 03:12:02,640
typo.

4173
03:12:02,640 --> 03:12:07,760
They file their other fire.

4174
03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:12,640
>> I think that that's going to be fixed.

4175
03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:15,279
>> Oh, okay.

4176
03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:20,710
>> Deputy commissioner went to

4177
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:28,240
» Oh, yes. I remember that. Okay. We have one two three four five six

4178
03:12:28,240 --> 03:12:42,870
that we receive um explanation.

4179
03:12:42,880 --> 03:12:44,800
» So the ones that we need to talk about

4180
03:12:44,800 --> 03:12:46,319
are

4181
03:12:46,319 --> 03:12:49,439
executive secretary. No, we

4182
03:12:49,439 --> 03:12:52,000
>> already done that. We already received

4183
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:57,830
explanation.

4184
03:12:57,840 --> 03:13:00,720
» Okay. You tell me then.

4185
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:02,960
>> Do you need it again?

4186
03:13:02,960 --> 03:13:04,880
>> I I was highlighting any that were above

4187
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:06,160
3%.

4188
03:13:06,160 --> 03:13:08,640
>> So, did you explanation like from from

4189
03:13:08,640 --> 03:13:10,000
the mayor from the executive secretary?

4190
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:11,120
Do you need that again?

4191
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:12,720
>> I I don't. No.

4192
03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:12,960
>> Okay.

4193
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:14,399
I'm sorry. I thought you were all

4194
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:18,880
looking for that but tonight but I I'm okay with these.

4195
03:13:18,880 --> 03:13:22,950
>> Okay.

4196
03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:24,800
» I don't think everybody is.

4197
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:25,760
>> Yeah, I think it's done.

4198
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:30,870
>> Can we

4199
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:38,070
just

4200
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:40,560
Okay.

4201
03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:43,439
>> Okay, that's fine. I'll take a like 10

4202
03:13:43,439 --> 03:13:44,319
minutes

4203
03:13:44,319 --> 03:40:17,670
recovery time.

4204
03:40:17,680 --> 03:40:20,479
Miss Porterfield needs her too.

4205
03:40:20,479 --> 03:40:21,439
>> I just got to that.

4206
03:40:21,439 --> 03:40:22,800
>> Okay. Well, we convene a finance

4207
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:25,600
committee,000.

4208
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:27,359
>> Let's count

4209
03:40:27,359 --> 03:40:39,750
and

4210
03:40:39,760 --> 03:40:45,990
So we have before us the icon

4211
03:40:46,000 --> 03:41:00,229
is

4212
03:41:00,239 --> 03:41:02,319
hold back up This the one we're going to

4213
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:04,560
use.

4214
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:06,160
>> Yeah, there was a conversation.

4215
03:41:06,160 --> 03:41:07,600
>> Oh, a newer one. So, I don't know if

4216
03:41:07,600 --> 03:41:08,640
that's the one we want to use.

4217
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:11,920
>> I think we should

4218
03:41:11,920 --> 03:41:14,080
going to be

4219
03:41:14,080 --> 03:41:18,950
updated number

4220
03:41:18,960 --> 03:41:28,630
one here. I should I

4221
03:41:28,640 --> 03:41:37,269
Yes.

4222
03:41:37,279 --> 03:41:38,880
to us would be what?

4223
03:41:38,880 --> 03:41:42,790
>> One, two, three.

4224
03:41:42,800 --> 03:42:13,190
I don't

4225
03:42:13,200 --> 03:42:16,640
But this looks like it's based on I

4226
03:42:16,640 --> 03:42:19,120
don't think they're going to put

4227
03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:22,800
anything off service. So this I think

4228
03:42:22,800 --> 03:42:25,200
this is really

4229
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:27,840
>> that

4230
03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:31,200
uh population. So

4231
03:42:31,200 --> 03:42:33,760
similar population the city is spending

4232
03:42:33,760 --> 03:42:36,880
you have terms of you part time but we

4233
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:39,600
don't know what each individual position

4234
03:42:39,600 --> 03:42:41,279
has to the city.

4235
03:42:41,279 --> 03:42:41,680
>> Yeah.

4236
03:42:41,680 --> 03:42:44,080
>> So it's how you can't really compare it.

4237
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:48,800
Well, this to me exactly on

4238
03:42:48,800 --> 03:42:50,960
looking under the president gives what

4239
03:42:50,960 --> 03:42:53,439
salary to determine what and when this

4240
03:42:53,439 --> 03:42:56,000
was done exactly what how many years

4241
03:42:56,000 --> 03:42:57,520
I've been on the house. Well, this is by

4242
03:42:57,520 --> 03:43:03,590
me, not like somebody else.

4243
03:43:03,600 --> 03:43:10,229
I don't know about the accuracy of that.

4244
03:43:10,239 --> 03:43:12,479
So, but

4245
03:43:12,479 --> 03:43:16,080
the where we at uh mission isn't based

4246
03:43:16,080 --> 03:43:18,000
on this one that's in front of us,

4247
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:20,160
right? It hasn't

4248
03:43:20,160 --> 03:43:24,710
>> strong

4249
03:43:24,720 --> 03:43:26,880
our salaries are corresponding with

4250
03:43:26,880 --> 03:43:29,279
this, right?

4251
03:43:29,279 --> 03:43:34,160
>> They should um HR administrator

4252
03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:36,160
um

4253
03:43:36,160 --> 03:43:39,120
survey was sent to her. Um she uploaded

4254
03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:41,359
all the salary associated with these

4255
03:43:41,359 --> 03:43:42,319
comments.

4256
03:43:42,319 --> 03:43:43,600
>> Excuse me.

4257
03:43:43,600 --> 03:43:46,800
>> I'm saying I'm so

4258
03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:48,239
wrong question. I'm not talking about

4259
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:50,479
council members. I'm saying that the

4260
03:43:50,479 --> 03:43:52,880
proposed budget and salary lines for the

4261
03:43:52,880 --> 03:43:54,560
proposed budget that was presented to us

4262
03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:56,800
is not based on this information.

4263
03:43:56,800 --> 03:44:06,710
Correct.

4264
03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:08,720
» It's just not easy.

4265
03:44:08,720 --> 03:44:09,920
>> Yeah.

4266
03:44:09,920 --> 03:44:14,630
threat lands

4267
03:44:14,640 --> 03:44:17,680
I think that's why

4268
03:44:17,680 --> 03:44:22,550
you imagine now

4269
03:44:22,560 --> 03:44:26,479
which was quite

4270
03:44:26,479 --> 03:44:32,070
>> I'm Sorry. Can I get you 2020 by 111?

4271
03:44:32,080 --> 03:44:49,189
» Sure.

4272
03:44:49,199 --> 03:44:54,720
So we disregarding this further because

4273
03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:58,479
uh it'll be printed for us.

4274
03:44:58,479 --> 03:45:10,630
>> I believe

4275
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:14,720
able to print a copy for us.

4276
03:45:14,720 --> 03:45:15,760
asked him.

4277
03:45:15,760 --> 03:45:18,000
>> No, this is this is simply a survey and

4278
03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:20,560
it is exactly and you look at the

4279
03:45:20,560 --> 03:45:22,560
mayor's salary when he was in office for

4280
03:45:22,560 --> 03:45:24,399
a number of years. It's exactly within

4281
03:45:24,399 --> 03:45:26,640
our budget. This is a survey of what's

4282
03:45:26,640 --> 03:45:30,239
being made. It's not an analysis. Yeah.

4283
03:45:30,239 --> 03:45:32,239
>> Then I look at it and say it's more

4284
03:45:32,239 --> 03:45:33,680
taken from the city

4285
03:45:33,680 --> 03:45:37,040
>> and just upload it into my

4286
03:45:37,040 --> 03:45:40,239
>> show across the board what the city

4287
03:45:40,239 --> 03:45:50,309
feeling these position.

4288
03:45:50,319 --> 03:45:53,120
» Yeah. But I don't know why Saratoga

4289
03:45:53,120 --> 03:45:55,199
because of the difference in population

4290
03:45:55,199 --> 03:45:58,000
and all of that.

4291
03:45:58,000 --> 03:46:02,239
That's why we wanted to go a certain

4292
03:46:02,239 --> 03:46:04,080
direction that happened and that's

4293
03:46:04,080 --> 03:46:08,630
understood.

4294
03:46:08,640 --> 03:46:10,800
So the parents are the I mean we have to

4295
03:46:10,800 --> 03:46:12,399
know like how close to the population

4296
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:15,199
we're at 678

4297
03:46:15,199 --> 03:46:17,040
and

4298
03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:25,269
it's the closest to Westchester County

4299
03:46:25,279 --> 03:46:26,800
» I don't mean ter I don't mean in terms

4300
03:46:26,800 --> 03:46:29,439
of miles I mean in terms of miles

4301
03:46:29,439 --> 03:46:33,910
>> right I just mean city

4302
03:46:33,920 --> 03:46:39,429
Rome

4303
03:46:39,439 --> 03:46:42,319
tends to pay more for the city.

4304
03:46:42,319 --> 03:46:46,870
>> Mhm.

4305
03:46:46,880 --> 03:46:50,479
» All right. So, so I think

4306
03:46:50,479 --> 03:46:50,880
>> yes,

4307
03:46:50,880 --> 03:46:53,199
>> we need to talk about where we can and

4308
03:46:53,199 --> 03:46:58,469
again I mean I'm not on get it

4309
03:46:58,479 --> 03:47:00,160
and and go to Dallas so we can get there

4310
03:47:00,160 --> 03:47:03,600
tonight. So can we continue on the

4311
03:47:03,600 --> 03:47:04,239
salary set?

4312
03:47:04,239 --> 03:47:07,120
>> Yes, we can. Not because of this

4313
03:47:07,120 --> 03:47:09,439
committee, but I I wanted to hear

4314
03:47:09,439 --> 03:47:11,359
recommendation. uh one is a goal where

4315
03:47:11,359 --> 03:47:16,150
we expand individually

4316
03:47:16,160 --> 03:47:20,560
if uh we don't want to say we want to

4317
03:47:20,560 --> 03:47:25,429
finance maybe and experiment

4318
03:47:25,439 --> 03:47:27,359
and then we come up with a compromise

4319
03:47:27,359 --> 03:47:29,439
and if we can't we just look at the

4320
03:47:29,439 --> 03:47:31,840
finance community for the last resort to

4321
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:32,399
move forward

4322
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:33,359
>> I think

4323
03:47:33,359 --> 03:47:35,120
>> and that's what that's that's how I

4324
03:47:35,120 --> 03:47:39,269
wanted to you know those

4325
03:47:39,279 --> 03:47:44,000
» so Um, yes, we can continue with the discussion and then we'll move

4326
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:48,630
our way down.

4327
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:51,600
» So, I'm not sure if that sheet was very

4328
03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:52,960
any help.

4329
03:47:52,960 --> 03:47:54,479
>> No.

4330
03:47:54,479 --> 03:48:02,229
>> Yeah.

4331
03:48:02,239 --> 03:48:06,479
for the field. You had some um you know

4332
03:48:06,479 --> 03:48:08,960
split

4333
03:48:08,960 --> 03:48:14,389
you support what was explained to us

4334
03:48:14,399 --> 03:48:17,040
the one that the ones that wasn't

4335
03:48:17,040 --> 03:48:19,279
explained to us we are in favor of

4336
03:48:19,279 --> 03:48:22,560
moving that into a bucket. Am I quoting

4337
03:48:22,560 --> 03:48:24,000
you correctly? Can you can correct me

4338
03:48:24,000 --> 03:48:26,399
please? Is that

4339
03:48:26,399 --> 03:48:28,720
>> what I'm saying is I don't we don't have

4340
03:48:28,720 --> 03:48:31,359
all of the information is that if the

4341
03:48:31,359 --> 03:48:34,720
person has expanded duties I recommended

4342
03:48:34,720 --> 03:48:36,720
that they

4343
03:48:36,720 --> 03:48:38,800
as is

4344
03:48:38,800 --> 03:48:42,000
if people are working out of grade

4345
03:48:42,000 --> 03:48:43,279
because they have to have additional

4346
03:48:43,279 --> 03:48:45,520
duties because there's a vacancy within

4347
03:48:45,520 --> 03:48:48,640
their department then I would say that

4348
03:48:48,640 --> 03:49:00,790
makes up

4349
03:49:00,800 --> 03:49:03,680
So based on the have we went through the

4350
03:49:03,680 --> 03:49:05,600
emails or we were just trying to

4351
03:49:05,600 --> 03:49:09,680
configure the notes. So we had one 2 3 4

4352
03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:13,520
5 six six positions that we received

4353
03:49:13,520 --> 03:49:15,040
clarification.

4354
03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:23,510
Is that correct?

4355
03:49:23,520 --> 03:49:26,080
Go ahead. For the for the for the

4356
03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:28,479
purpose of of only making the process

4357
03:49:28,479 --> 03:49:34,239
less uh complicated, I'll I will uh um

4358
03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:36,560
defer to the finance committee as as far

4359
03:49:36,560 --> 03:49:38,640
as this section of our budget goes. I

4360
03:49:38,640 --> 03:49:40,319
think I was really clear about how I

4361
03:49:40,319 --> 03:49:42,000
felt about it. I think Mr. Williams was

4362
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:44,960
very clear how he so I feel like you

4363
03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:48,239
know the conversation has become um

4364
03:49:48,239 --> 03:49:50,880
somewhat uh circular. Uh but for this I

4365
03:49:50,880 --> 03:49:52,720
think I you know looking at the overall

4366
03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:55,600
budget impact I will defer uh to the

4367
03:49:55,600 --> 03:49:57,760
finance committee the finance committee

4368
03:49:57,760 --> 03:50:01,680
recommendation on that um

4369
03:50:01,680 --> 03:50:03,840
being very clear about where you know

4370
03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:05,279
that this is something that needs to be

4371
03:50:05,279 --> 03:50:08,640
addressed or will just keep compounding.

4372
03:50:08,640 --> 03:50:12,000
So I think that for the purposes of

4373
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:16,399
making the process move on I would defer

4374
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:18,800
>> I would those are my positions but I

4375
03:50:18,800 --> 03:50:20,880
mean again I'll say it again even though

4376
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:23,120
you say our input is important it's

4377
03:50:23,120 --> 03:50:26,150
>> yeah

4378
03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:33,510
we're so far apart let me just

4379
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:35,279
» All right

4380
03:50:35,279 --> 03:50:38,720
let's let's move on we'll revisit before

4381
03:50:38,720 --> 03:50:41,680
we conclude this.

4382
03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:45,120
So the next uh big ticket item here for

4383
03:50:45,120 --> 03:50:48,640
this is a fee for service. I propose

4384
03:50:48,640 --> 03:50:52,399
that we look at all of these and able to

4385
03:50:52,399 --> 03:50:55,199
work you know such as a recommendation

4386
03:50:55,199 --> 03:50:58,000
for us to kind of like discuss I

4387
03:50:58,000 --> 03:50:59,680
initially

4388
03:50:59,680 --> 03:51:03,680
asked for 20% sorry 10%.

4389
03:51:03,680 --> 03:51:05,120
when I looked at the numbers on the

4390
03:51:05,120 --> 03:51:08,720
paper they quite significant as you know

4391
03:51:08,720 --> 03:51:12,640
it's about that 5%

4392
03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:15,760
>> uh this was a discussion I had with uh

4393
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:17,439
you know we had this discussion and then

4394
03:51:17,439 --> 03:51:21,040
I had a discussion with three council

4395
03:51:21,040 --> 03:51:21,840
member

4396
03:51:21,840 --> 03:51:22,239
>> okay

4397
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:24,399
>> in terms of uh what do we think about

4398
03:51:24,399 --> 03:51:26,800
fees for service

4399
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:28,399
and I I'm just throwing that out there

4400
03:51:28,399 --> 03:51:30,239
for this question it's not

4401
03:51:30,239 --> 03:51:31,760
recommendation it doesn't mean that I'm

4402
03:51:31,760 --> 03:51:34,630
going to you know

4403
03:51:34,640 --> 03:51:37,520
taking my heat on this and what would be

4404
03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:46,309
think about it.

4405
03:51:46,319 --> 03:51:49,840
» Um, so if we're looking at your

4406
03:51:49,840 --> 03:51:52,640
absolutely sure and I'm talking about

4407
03:51:52,640 --> 03:51:56,469
A17

4408
03:51:56,479 --> 03:51:59,359
for the wrong form. Okay. So that's the

4409
03:51:59,359 --> 03:52:02,160
particular cost

4410
03:52:02,160 --> 03:52:06,469
is that

4411
03:52:06,479 --> 03:52:17,429
I know is that the actual pay

4412
03:52:17,439 --> 03:52:22,550
» my comies

4413
03:52:22,560 --> 03:52:24,960
I'd be hesitant to freeze fees for

4414
03:52:24,960 --> 03:52:26,479
service

4415
03:52:26,479 --> 03:52:28,399
fees for

4416
03:52:28,399 --> 03:52:33,840
justify without the assisted money line

4417
03:52:33,840 --> 03:52:36,399
to um

4418
03:52:36,399 --> 03:52:42,710
certain event not having a staff present

4419
03:52:42,720 --> 03:52:45,120
to help with staffing

4420
03:52:45,120 --> 03:52:52,710
operations in certain departments.

4421
03:52:52,720 --> 03:52:54,960
» Yeah, I think that piece of service is

4422
03:52:54,960 --> 03:53:05,750
kind of different. Let's

4423
03:53:05,760 --> 03:53:07,840
see it. I mean,

4424
03:53:07,840 --> 03:53:09,600
>> most of these lines have been cut from

4425
03:53:09,600 --> 03:53:24,309
what the department

4426
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:30,070
of this

4427
03:53:30,080 --> 03:53:32,080
I mean, I guess we should just look. We

4428
03:53:32,080 --> 03:53:34,319
have to write what they are for if we're

4429
03:53:34,319 --> 03:53:36,000
going to have to if we have to have a

4430
03:53:36,000 --> 03:53:40,720
conversation about them. So 10 10 404,

4431
03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:42,720
right? I mean, you can't just have to

4432
03:53:42,720 --> 03:53:46,080
know what they are.

4433
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:48,720
It's 2,000 for city council.

4434
03:53:48,720 --> 03:53:50,319
>> Yeah, we got that.

4435
03:53:50,319 --> 03:53:52,800
>> What is that? Why would we have fees for

4436
03:53:52,800 --> 03:53:55,279
service for city council? That's true

4437
03:53:55,279 --> 03:53:56,319
programs.

4438
03:53:56,319 --> 03:53:57,040
>> I'm sorry, what?

4439
03:53:57,040 --> 03:54:00,000
>> Computer programs, the code online,

4440
03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:02,319
things like that

4441
03:54:02,319 --> 03:54:04,239
>> for us.

4442
03:54:04,239 --> 03:54:06,319
>> It says city city council fees for

4443
03:54:06,319 --> 03:54:07,279
service, but

4444
03:54:07,279 --> 03:54:09,040
>> I'd have to look specifically, but

4445
03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:15,670
that's usually what what they are.

4446
03:54:15,680 --> 03:54:21,040
and like so 56 board

4447
03:54:21,040 --> 03:54:24,640
services what is paid to the individual

4448
03:54:24,640 --> 03:54:28,080
so you know that without

4449
03:54:28,080 --> 03:54:29,920
>> oh my gosh

4450
03:54:29,920 --> 03:54:32,479
they spend so much time at their work I

4451
03:54:32,479 --> 03:54:34,479
mean

4452
03:54:34,479 --> 03:54:37,760
>> I know but still it's huge service and

4453
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:39,279
also

4454
03:54:39,279 --> 03:54:43,439
affects other parts of our budget

4455
03:54:43,439 --> 03:54:45,120
It does, but just keep in mind the

4456
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:47,439
notification

4457
03:54:47,439 --> 03:54:49,199
sensor has told us that the duties that

4458
03:54:49,199 --> 03:54:50,640
have been performing for the length of

4459
03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:52,800
time, the number of cases that have been

4460
03:54:52,800 --> 03:54:54,880
has gone down. Don't know if it'll go up

4461
03:54:54,880 --> 03:54:59,680
again, but it has gone down.

4462
03:54:59,680 --> 03:55:02,239
>> We'd have to look at I I keep drawing. I

4463
03:55:02,239 --> 03:55:05,520
don't know what uniformly.

4464
03:55:05,520 --> 03:55:07,840
>> So, this is audit.

4465
03:55:07,840 --> 03:55:09,439
>> No, I'm just I'm trying to fill in what

4466
03:55:09,439 --> 03:55:10,960
they are so that we can actually

4467
03:55:10,960 --> 03:55:12,720
converse about it. So yes, that was the

4468
03:55:12,720 --> 03:55:14,800
audit is the second one which I would

4469
03:55:14,800 --> 03:55:17,920
imagine is kind of a lot in we probably

4470
03:55:17,920 --> 03:55:19,359
know how much we have to spend on the

4471
03:55:19,359 --> 03:55:21,359
audit.

4472
03:55:21,359 --> 03:55:22,160
>> I know

4473
03:55:22,160 --> 03:55:24,239
>> it's probably in the budget accurately

4474
03:55:24,239 --> 03:55:28,080
in terms of what the audit costs.

4475
03:55:28,080 --> 03:55:32,229
>> So Mr. motiv

4476
03:55:32,239 --> 03:55:34,000
although I you know was you know giving

4477
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:35,520
a level of difference in the last

4478
03:55:35,520 --> 03:55:37,680
section we're reviewing

4479
03:55:37,680 --> 03:55:40,640
the larger issue for N is when are we

4480
03:55:40,640 --> 03:55:42,399
going to get the information about the

4481
03:55:42,399 --> 03:55:45,840
existing funds because every

4482
03:55:45,840 --> 03:55:48,000
conversation that we're having moving

4483
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:49,680
forward

4484
03:55:49,680 --> 03:55:52,000
there might be funds to support some of

4485
03:55:52,000 --> 03:55:53,680
these things that would return this

4486
03:55:53,680 --> 03:55:56,800
money back to back to the general fund

4487
03:55:56,800 --> 03:55:59,600
and thus far we've part of I've talked

4488
03:55:59,600 --> 03:56:02,080
about $700,000.

4489
03:56:02,080 --> 03:56:05,279
Um, and if we're trying to collectively

4490
03:56:05,279 --> 03:56:07,120
stay under that tax cap, I don't know

4491
03:56:07,120 --> 03:56:09,920
how we pass a budget without that

4492
03:56:09,920 --> 03:56:11,760
information. So, I'm asking when are we

4493
03:56:11,760 --> 03:56:13,680
going to get that information?

4494
03:56:13,680 --> 03:56:16,319
>> May we please ask you to work with the

4495
03:56:16,319 --> 03:56:18,560
department head to us tomorrow?

4496
03:56:18,560 --> 03:56:21,600
>> At 4:00 today, they didn't have it. So,

4497
03:56:21,600 --> 03:56:23,600
I assume it's going to get put together

4498
03:56:23,600 --> 03:56:27,189
sometime tomorrow.

4499
03:56:27,199 --> 03:56:29,040
I hope in the morning but maybe in the

4500
03:56:29,040 --> 03:56:29,760
afternoon.

4501
03:56:29,760 --> 03:56:33,439
>> Okay. All right. So, we'll do a followup

4502
03:56:33,439 --> 03:56:36,640
with regards to uh that report.

4503
03:56:36,640 --> 03:56:38,640
I'm going to personally make a maybe a

4504
03:56:38,640 --> 03:56:40,800
follow up. Go ahead, please.

4505
03:56:40,800 --> 03:56:43,439
>> So, I think does that mean that we are

4506
03:56:43,439 --> 03:56:45,120
going to be back tomorrow because we're

4507
03:56:45,120 --> 03:56:46,720
not getting information tonight?

4508
03:56:46,720 --> 03:56:48,239
>> I can't come back tomorrow, but you guys

4509
03:56:48,239 --> 03:56:50,319
can go ahead. I'm not going to be coming

4510
03:56:50,319 --> 03:56:51,840
back tomorrow.

4511
03:56:51,840 --> 03:56:53,359
>> Oh, no press release for tomorrow.

4512
03:56:53,359 --> 03:56:55,279
Definitely won't come back tomorrow.

4513
03:56:55,279 --> 03:56:58,560
Never mind. you what you're not able to

4514
03:56:58,560 --> 03:57:00,560
>> Thursday. So that means

4515
03:57:00,560 --> 03:57:02,800
>> yeah because we had initially

4516
03:57:02,800 --> 03:57:04,800
availability was not um

4517
03:57:04,800 --> 03:57:08,160
>> right okay

4518
03:57:08,160 --> 03:57:10,960
>> we had the full council

4519
03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:14,479
>> I did not want to set the meeting

4520
03:57:14,479 --> 03:57:16,800
>> with one or two

4521
03:57:16,800 --> 03:57:18,319
>> is there any chance that we could meet

4522
03:57:18,319 --> 03:57:20,319
if we have to meet on Thursday which I

4523
03:57:20,319 --> 03:57:22,080
have on my calendar but is there any

4524
03:57:22,080 --> 03:57:24,160
chance we could I know people work but

4525
03:57:24,160 --> 03:57:26,239
is there any chance that people could

4526
03:57:26,239 --> 03:57:29,199
break away at like four o'clock um I I

4527
03:57:29,199 --> 03:57:31,840
mean, some of us have

4528
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:36,399
an event that evening. Um, but

4529
03:57:36,399 --> 03:57:38,239
>> you know, Mr. Mudarin's getting an award

4530
03:57:38,239 --> 03:57:40,399
at that dinner. Um, it's connected to

4531
03:57:40,399 --> 03:57:41,840
shares is getting an award at that

4532
03:57:41,840 --> 03:57:43,600
dinner.

4533
03:57:43,600 --> 03:57:44,479
>> Huh. Yeah.

4534
03:57:44,479 --> 03:57:46,640
>> Exactly.

4535
03:57:46,640 --> 03:57:49,439
>> I like that.

4536
03:57:49,439 --> 03:57:51,600
>> But I mean, because I can meet, you

4537
03:57:51,600 --> 03:57:53,439
know, earlier, but even if it was a

4538
03:57:53,439 --> 03:57:55,600
lunchtime, I think, you know, when

4539
03:57:55,600 --> 03:58:00,239
people become more that I'm not doing.

4540
03:58:00,239 --> 03:58:02,319
>> I also could meet Friday, Friday night.

4541
03:58:02,319 --> 03:58:02,800
By the way,

4542
03:58:02,800 --> 03:58:05,520
>> we we cannot meet. We cannot meet before

4543
03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:06,720
5:30 tomorrow.

4544
03:58:06,720 --> 03:58:09,359
>> We have to stick with the house.

4545
03:58:09,359 --> 03:58:10,880
>> Oh, that's right. We already publicized

4546
03:58:10,880 --> 03:58:11,920
it.

4547
03:58:11,920 --> 03:58:13,359
>> And we have time to publicize if we're

4548
03:58:13,359 --> 03:58:15,120
going to come on Friday, right?

4549
03:58:15,120 --> 03:58:17,600
>> There is no meeting on Friday right now.

4550
03:58:17,600 --> 03:58:18,960
>> There is no meeting on Saturday right

4551
03:58:18,960 --> 03:58:19,359
now.

4552
03:58:19,359 --> 03:58:20,080
>> Thursday.

4553
03:58:20,080 --> 03:58:21,600
>> Yeah.

4554
03:58:21,600 --> 03:58:24,319
>> Saturday

4555
03:58:24,319 --> 03:58:25,760
>> right now. Well, the next meeting

4556
03:58:25,760 --> 03:58:27,920
doesn't kick in until you recess this

4557
03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:28,880
meeting.

4558
03:58:28,880 --> 03:58:32,399
>> You can keep this meeting going

4559
03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:38,309
>> to the alternative.

4560
03:58:38,319 --> 03:58:44,150
» I'd rather try tomorrows.

4561
03:58:44,160 --> 03:58:48,080
I think staff needs to preventation.

4562
03:58:48,080 --> 03:58:50,399
I think that by

4563
03:58:50,399 --> 03:58:54,160
>> Sam can make a note that relate to just

4564
03:58:54,160 --> 03:58:58,080
a follow with the mayor with the we have

4565
03:58:58,080 --> 03:59:01,040
those uh the report from

4566
03:59:01,040 --> 03:59:03,279
department of development

4567
03:59:03,279 --> 03:59:06,080
funding

4568
03:59:06,080 --> 03:59:08,000
>> and we would have it prior to the

4569
03:59:08,000 --> 03:59:09,680
meeting so we would be able to look at

4570
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:10,000
it.

4571
03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:11,439
>> Yes. and be prepared.

4572
03:59:11,439 --> 03:59:13,359
>> All these things need to get to us now

4573
03:59:13,359 --> 03:59:15,040
so that we can

4574
03:59:15,040 --> 03:59:15,680
>> All right.

4575
03:59:15,680 --> 03:59:18,160
>> Make a decision and then

4576
03:59:18,160 --> 03:59:19,760
>> that's that's to make the salary

4577
03:59:19,760 --> 03:59:22,479
decisions. Is that what you're saying?

4578
03:59:22,479 --> 03:59:24,800
>> The funding the CDBG

4579
03:59:24,800 --> 03:59:26,080
>> Oh, the CDBG funding.

4580
03:59:26,080 --> 03:59:28,239
>> Yes.

4581
03:59:28,239 --> 03:59:29,439
>> Have a whole meeting just because of

4582
03:59:29,439 --> 03:59:30,960
that one thing. Okay.

4583
03:59:30,960 --> 03:59:34,239
>> But so just for clarity, that one thing

4584
03:59:34,239 --> 03:59:38,319
has produced 700 $700,000.

4585
03:59:38,319 --> 03:59:41,199
>> Yeah. to keep us under the tax cap. I

4586
03:59:41,199 --> 03:59:43,279
think that that is a if there's a

4587
03:59:43,279 --> 03:59:46,479
possibility of more money being out

4588
03:59:46,479 --> 03:59:49,600
there, we need to make sure that we have

4589
03:59:49,600 --> 03:59:51,920
that information. I mean, to me, quite

4590
03:59:51,920 --> 03:59:54,080
honestly, I don't see how we pass the

4591
03:59:54,080 --> 03:59:55,279
budget in good faith without that

4592
03:59:55,279 --> 03:59:57,600
information.

4593
03:59:57,600 --> 03:59:59,840
>> Follow that is like 2%.

4594
03:59:59,840 --> 04:00:02,160
>> That's

4595
04:00:02,160 --> 04:00:03,600
significant.

4596
04:00:03,600 --> 04:00:06,720
>> 700,000 and not 400

4597
04:00:06,720 --> 04:00:09,199
>> 202 and 206, right? Nope. It's

4598
04:00:09,199 --> 04:00:12,389
>> 408

4599
04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:16,319
plus 150 plus 222

4600
04:00:16,319 --> 04:00:16,880
from

4601
04:00:16,880 --> 04:00:19,920
>> 200 for contingency.

4602
04:00:19,920 --> 04:00:23,429
>> Okay. Okay.

4603
04:00:23,439 --> 04:00:24,960
» 200.

4604
04:00:24,960 --> 04:00:25,359
>> Yeah,

4605
04:00:25,359 --> 04:00:27,760
>> that's right. I hear you I

4606
04:00:27,760 --> 04:00:30,080
>> 150 of that was as the proposed budget

4607
04:00:30,080 --> 04:00:31,520
is neutral in the proposed budget

4608
04:00:31,520 --> 04:00:34,080
because that line was zero. But all the

4609
04:00:34,080 --> 04:00:36,720
uh the remainder of that um and that's

4610
04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:38,080
even only in theory because we all

4611
04:00:38,080 --> 04:00:39,760
committed to find money to f to fund

4612
04:00:39,760 --> 04:00:41,760
that line for our youth line. So we are

4613
04:00:41,760 --> 04:00:42,960
going to have to find that money. So

4614
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:46,399
when you have $700,000,

4615
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:48,560
you know, appearing by a process, I

4616
04:00:48,560 --> 04:00:50,319
would like to see that process play out

4617
04:00:50,319 --> 04:00:52,720
because that can really change the

4618
04:00:52,720 --> 04:00:54,640
scenario that we're in right now as far

4619
04:00:54,640 --> 04:00:55,359
as saying

4620
04:00:55,359 --> 04:00:58,630
>> step

4621
04:00:58,640 --> 04:01:01,199
to further um as we're looking at these

4622
04:01:01,199 --> 04:01:04,319
fees for service and I you know we just

4623
04:01:04,319 --> 04:01:06,479
can't uniformly cut them. I don't think

4624
04:01:06,479 --> 04:01:08,880
about what they're

4625
04:01:08,880 --> 04:01:10,880
>> Yeah. I was going to make a suggestion

4626
04:01:10,880 --> 04:01:13,600
to commission of uh finance in the

4627
04:01:13,600 --> 04:01:17,120
position of can you put the bure

4628
04:01:17,120 --> 04:01:21,830
department

4629
04:01:21,840 --> 04:01:22,720
and what they're for.

4630
04:01:22,720 --> 04:01:23,760
>> Yes.

4631
04:01:23,760 --> 04:01:31,269
Yes. So yes, you can add um yeah.

4632
04:01:31,279 --> 04:01:33,199
» Yes. So I'm going to ask that we just um

4633
04:01:33,199 --> 04:01:37,279
add some more detail onto that. Please

4634
04:01:37,279 --> 04:01:41,590
can revisit this

4635
04:01:41,600 --> 04:01:43,520
so it will guide us along because right

4636
04:01:43,520 --> 04:01:45,120
now it's going to be a lot for us to

4637
04:01:45,120 --> 04:01:47,680
just look at this go into the book back

4638
04:01:47,680 --> 04:01:51,040
and forth soon and it's a lot I'm going

4639
04:01:51,040 --> 04:01:54,800
to ask we wait for more detail for each

4640
04:01:54,800 --> 04:01:58,000
line and then revisit.

4641
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:01,510
>> All right.

4642
04:02:01,520 --> 04:02:02,720
I'm going to stop filling it

4643
04:02:02,720 --> 04:02:06,239
in. Yeah, I was almost

4644
04:02:06,239 --> 04:02:08,080
um let's move to um the next one of

4645
04:02:08,080 --> 04:02:14,309
stipens

4646
04:02:14,319 --> 04:02:20,630
this board and then Mr. F

4647
04:02:20,640 --> 04:02:22,560
again I I will refer to the finance

4648
04:02:22,560 --> 04:02:25,279
committee for that. Um

4649
04:02:25,279 --> 04:02:27,920
my position around that is pretty clear.

4650
04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:31,279
I do um but it's a matter of process.

4651
04:02:31,279 --> 04:02:33,040
I'll definitely give deference to the

4652
04:02:33,040 --> 04:02:35,359
finance committee for that, but even

4653
04:02:35,359 --> 04:02:37,600
that I think is going to be a another

4654
04:02:37,600 --> 04:02:39,600
situation that there's information out

4655
04:02:39,600 --> 04:02:41,760
there we need.

4656
04:02:41,760 --> 04:02:44,000
>> So, just to be clear though, what you're

4657
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:46,560
trying to recommend here is just not

4658
04:02:46,560 --> 04:02:47,920
having the stipens though.

4659
04:02:47,920 --> 04:02:49,120
>> No, that's not

4660
04:02:49,120 --> 04:02:51,040
>> Well, it's $30,000 in the proposed

4661
04:02:51,040 --> 04:02:53,199
budget and your cuts would take out

4662
04:02:53,199 --> 04:02:54,319
$30,000.

4663
04:02:54,319 --> 04:02:55,920
>> No, that's not that's incorrect.

4664
04:02:55,920 --> 04:02:56,800
>> So, this is wrong.

4665
04:02:56,800 --> 04:02:57,279
>> Yes.

4666
04:02:57,279 --> 04:02:57,760
>> Okay.

4667
04:02:57,760 --> 04:03:00,720
>> Yep. So we were supposed to back out all

4668
04:03:00,720 --> 04:03:03,600
day 24 hours.

4669
04:03:03,600 --> 04:03:05,600
>> Correct.

4670
04:03:05,600 --> 04:03:07,760
>> Oh, so some of these are those people.

4671
04:03:07,760 --> 04:03:08,319
Correct.

4672
04:03:08,319 --> 04:03:11,359
>> Can we make notes again

4673
04:03:11,359 --> 04:03:13,439
all the ones that

4674
04:03:13,439 --> 04:03:15,840
>> are on 24

4675
04:03:15,840 --> 04:03:19,600
and reverse it out from this section?

4676
04:03:19,600 --> 04:03:21,840
>> And I and I also said to start with a

4677
04:03:21,840 --> 04:03:24,640
number, a starting number for a context

4678
04:03:24,640 --> 04:03:26,880
of $10,000.

4679
04:03:26,880 --> 04:03:28,399
um

4680
04:03:28,399 --> 04:03:30,560
said so that information is missing.

4681
04:03:30,560 --> 04:03:34,560
>> It's right here.

4682
04:03:34,560 --> 04:03:37,680
>> From what? From what Miss uh Patrick's

4683
04:03:37,680 --> 04:03:38,960
guessing, I'm saying. Yes. That's why

4684
04:03:38,960 --> 04:03:41,279
I'm saying no.

4685
04:03:41,279 --> 04:03:42,720
>> Okay. So, we need to clean this section

4686
04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:46,560
up. We work all day. But go ahead,

4687
04:03:46,560 --> 04:03:47,680
please.

4688
04:03:47,680 --> 04:03:49,840
>> Um as we talked about this yesterday, I

4689
04:03:49,840 --> 04:03:51,040
think it was yesterday.

4690
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:53,439
>> Yes. As far I went through each

4691
04:03:53,439 --> 04:03:55,199
statement, as far as I could see, there

4692
04:03:55,199 --> 04:03:57,120
was one and we asked a question about

4693
04:03:57,120 --> 04:03:59,920
the other one. A680

4694
04:03:59,920 --> 04:04:02,080
um was clear was clear to me that that

4695
04:04:02,080 --> 04:04:04,560
was the news of so that might not

4696
04:04:04,560 --> 04:04:05,040
change.

4697
04:04:05,040 --> 04:04:06,239
>> 1680.

4698
04:04:06,239 --> 04:04:07,040
>> Okay. Yes.

4699
04:04:07,040 --> 04:04:08,399
>> And A510.

4700
04:04:08,399 --> 04:04:10,080
>> Could you tell me what that

4701
04:04:10,080 --> 04:04:11,840
>> A680?

4702
04:04:11,840 --> 04:04:14,399
>> Yeah. Okay. I'll look it up.

4703
04:04:14,399 --> 04:04:14,960
>> Technology.

4704
04:04:14,960 --> 04:04:17,680
>> Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you. And then

4705
04:04:17,680 --> 04:04:21,840
I asked if A5010 was a 24-hour gay

4706
04:04:21,840 --> 04:04:24,239
person. Didn't get a response. So I

4707
04:04:24,239 --> 04:04:26,080
don't know the answer to that question.

4708
04:04:26,080 --> 04:04:26,479
>> I'll tell you.

4709
04:04:26,479 --> 04:04:28,319
>> That's the only one who may have

4710
04:04:28,319 --> 04:04:30,080
>> Well, I looked it up as well, but it's

4711
04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:31,760
not clear that person.

4712
04:04:31,760 --> 04:04:33,120
>> Can you just ask it now though is what

4713
04:04:33,120 --> 04:04:33,439
I'm saying.

4714
04:04:33,439 --> 04:04:39,910
>> I asked yesterday. I asked today

4715
04:04:39,920 --> 04:04:40,560
position.

4716
04:04:40,560 --> 04:04:43,199
>> I'm looking it up.

4717
04:04:43,199 --> 04:04:46,800
facing street food under

4718
04:04:46,800 --> 04:04:48,479
>> Oh, the street department manager.

4719
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:53,590
>> Mhm. That's the same person.

4720
04:04:53,600 --> 04:04:56,560
» I did not follow up on that.

4721
04:04:56,560 --> 04:04:57,279
>> I think

4722
04:04:57,279 --> 04:04:58,640
>> I did not follow up on

4723
04:04:58,640 --> 04:05:01,520
>> Oh, I thought

4724
04:05:01,520 --> 04:05:05,590
>> I thought

4725
04:05:05,600 --> 04:05:08,000
Nice. It didn't take them long to do

4726
04:05:08,000 --> 04:05:09,600
that. So, you may

4727
04:05:09,600 --> 04:05:10,880
>> service administration.

4728
04:05:10,880 --> 04:05:12,720
>> All right. Can we make notes follow up

4729
04:05:12,720 --> 04:05:15,120
on that please? S can you also make note

4730
04:05:15,120 --> 04:05:16,000
please

4731
04:05:16,000 --> 04:05:18,880
>> so that um we can realign and make sure

4732
04:05:18,880 --> 04:05:24,550
that these things are here

4733
04:05:24,560 --> 04:05:25,760
» and can

4734
04:05:25,760 --> 04:05:26,880
>> that's the only two

4735
04:05:26,880 --> 04:05:28,640
>> commissioner can we can we look at all

4736
04:05:28,640 --> 04:05:31,199
this typing and see who else is on 24

4737
04:05:31,199 --> 04:05:32,640
hours

4738
04:05:32,640 --> 04:05:34,560
>> all

4739
04:05:34,560 --> 04:05:36,399
I think under the mayor's position on

4740
04:05:36,399 --> 04:05:39,600
all these positions

4741
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:44,000
they're 247 call polic.

4742
04:05:44,000 --> 04:05:44,960
>> Okay,

4743
04:05:44,960 --> 04:05:47,520
>> the mayor stated that one.

4744
04:05:47,520 --> 04:05:51,359
>> Let's just go back based on what I

4745
04:05:51,359 --> 04:06:00,389
looked at. Um, let's start with a 10.

4746
04:06:00,399 --> 04:06:03,279
Yes, which is in the mayor's office.

4747
04:06:03,279 --> 04:06:13,189
Um other than the mayor who tomorrow

4748
04:06:13,199 --> 04:06:14,479
you refer to

4749
04:06:14,479 --> 04:06:16,640
>> the studongs

4750
04:06:16,640 --> 04:06:23,269
to just

4751
04:06:23,279 --> 04:06:31,269
call 24 hours

4752
04:06:31,279 --> 04:06:36,229
1910

4753
04:06:36,239 --> 04:06:40,309
136

4754
04:06:40,319 --> 04:06:42,000
finance. You probably could tell us

4755
04:06:42,000 --> 04:06:46,070
about that one.

4756
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:50,239
» Um, so the mayor and the judge me.

4757
04:06:50,239 --> 04:06:52,239
>> Oh, it's for you. Oh, okay. Yeah. No,

4758
04:06:52,239 --> 04:06:53,520
you don't have to go further.

4759
04:06:53,520 --> 04:06:55,359
>> Access to a laptop. So, if I need to

4760
04:06:55,359 --> 04:06:59,680
access something, I can. Um,

4761
04:06:59,680 --> 04:07:11,990
>> Gotcha. You don't have to go further.

4762
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:15,279
» Uh there's time for the office at the

4763
04:07:15,279 --> 04:07:17,600
wires

4764
04:07:17,600 --> 04:07:20,399
>> for the wires.

4765
04:07:20,399 --> 04:07:23,840
>> Mhm. So the office man that could be

4766
04:07:23,840 --> 04:07:27,279
>> has it happened with Derek one time

4767
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:29,199
playing Ferrari

4768
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:31,680
team there was a police pursuit

4769
04:07:31,680 --> 04:07:34,160
sheriff's department of fatality.

4770
04:07:34,160 --> 04:07:34,880
>> Oh jeez.

4771
04:07:34,880 --> 04:07:39,830
>> He was at the scene

4772
04:07:39,840 --> 04:07:42,560
less than

4773
04:07:42,560 --> 04:07:45,680
>> scenario to have to deal with

4774
04:07:45,680 --> 04:07:46,880
>> seems to happen.

4775
04:07:46,880 --> 04:07:48,560
>> But you exactly have time.

4776
04:07:48,560 --> 04:07:56,469
>> Yes. So we will find

4777
04:07:56,479 --> 04:07:59,359
» all

4778
04:07:59,359 --> 04:08:01,279
the part make sure we weren't getting

4779
04:08:01,279 --> 04:08:04,080
sued. That's a good thing. So,

4780
04:08:04,080 --> 04:08:07,359
you know, I think I think we really So,

4781
04:08:07,359 --> 04:08:09,920
my understanding it was like this with

4782
04:08:09,920 --> 04:08:12,800
the start people who were also a scene

4783
04:08:12,800 --> 04:08:15,680
because there was a water being break or

4784
04:08:15,680 --> 04:08:22,950
you know um all various things

4785
04:08:22,960 --> 04:08:26,560
» entirely with facilities, building

4786
04:08:26,560 --> 04:08:37,590
maintenance. Yikes.

4787
04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:39,359
said one.

4788
04:08:39,359 --> 04:08:41,840
Yeah, I was more aligning this kind of

4789
04:08:41,840 --> 04:08:43,600
align myself with this in terms of like

4790
04:08:43,600 --> 04:08:46,160
more drivenness towards like people with

4791
04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:51,760
OGS who has to be on call stream OS

4792
04:08:51,760 --> 04:08:56,080
uh you know personnel

4793
04:08:56,080 --> 04:08:57,520
and anybody who has to be like

4794
04:08:57,520 --> 04:08:59,199
infrastructure stuff deal with

4795
04:08:59,199 --> 04:09:00,399
>> this one's code

4796
04:09:00,399 --> 04:09:03,520
>> there's a break in the main or there's

4797
04:09:03,520 --> 04:09:05,279
something happened you know that needs

4798
04:09:05,279 --> 04:09:07,680
to be at the se fire or something like

4799
04:09:07,680 --> 04:09:09,760
that some technology.

4800
04:09:09,760 --> 04:09:11,359
>> Yeah, technology is different because

4801
04:09:11,359 --> 04:09:12,880
there's certain things happen. They have

4802
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:15,040
to you know come in and shut down and

4803
04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:18,309
you know run

4804
04:09:18,319 --> 04:09:22,469
and things like that.

4805
04:09:22,479 --> 04:09:24,800
I was kind of like

4806
04:09:24,800 --> 04:09:28,720
my thought about this in terms of

4807
04:09:28,720 --> 04:09:31,199
like more like administrative stuff

4808
04:09:31,199 --> 04:09:35,600
that's a I don't know.

4809
04:09:35,600 --> 04:09:38,080
>> Oh, go ahead. Well, I have all the I can

4810
04:09:38,080 --> 04:09:39,680
tell you who each of the I just slipped

4811
04:09:39,680 --> 04:09:42,080
them out if you want to know who each I

4812
04:09:42,080 --> 04:09:44,560
know by the positions.

4813
04:09:44,560 --> 04:09:46,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then we can find out.

4814
04:09:46,319 --> 04:09:48,080
Well, I I wouldn't say the person's name

4815
04:09:48,080 --> 04:09:52,319
unless executive session, but um

4816
04:09:52,319 --> 04:09:54,880
>> I just if you know, so the first one is

4817
04:09:54,880 --> 04:09:56,640
in the mayor's office and we've been

4818
04:09:56,640 --> 04:09:58,720
told it's the director of operations.

4819
04:09:58,720 --> 04:10:00,239
The next one is our finance

4820
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:01,199
commissioner.

4821
04:10:01,199 --> 04:10:03,439
>> What was the last year? I'm sorry.

4822
04:10:03,439 --> 04:10:04,560
>> I'm sorry.

4823
04:10:04,560 --> 04:10:06,080
What did we spend last year on that

4824
04:10:06,080 --> 04:10:08,640
statement?

4825
04:10:08,640 --> 04:10:09,760
>> It didn't exist last year.

4826
04:10:09,760 --> 04:10:10,800
>> So that's a new statement.

4827
04:10:10,800 --> 04:10:13,439
>> That's a new

4828
04:10:13,439 --> 04:10:14,880
>> $3,000.

4829
04:10:14,880 --> 04:10:16,239
>> 3,000 was spent last year.

4830
04:10:16,239 --> 04:10:18,000
>> No, I'm saying that's what it is right

4831
04:10:18,000 --> 04:10:22,479
now in this in this year's budget. Um in

4832
04:10:22,479 --> 04:10:25,520
1410, that's in the city clerk's office.

4833
04:10:25,520 --> 04:10:27,520
It is the city clerk, I believe. I

4834
04:10:27,520 --> 04:10:30,000
remember that from previous years. Uh

4835
04:10:30,000 --> 04:10:34,880
1620 is facilities and building. Um, I

4836
04:10:34,880 --> 04:10:36,560
actually don't know specifically who

4837
04:10:36,560 --> 04:10:41,439
that is, but um, 1622 is in utilities

4838
04:10:41,439 --> 04:10:44,080
administration. I can see how both of

4839
04:10:44,080 --> 04:10:45,760
those would be people that would get

4840
04:10:45,760 --> 04:10:48,479
called upon, could could get called upon

4841
04:10:48,479 --> 04:10:50,080
in the middle of the night.

4842
04:10:50,080 --> 04:10:52,479
>> Um, 1680, very important. Chief

4843
04:10:52,479 --> 04:10:55,199
technology officer obviously gets called

4844
04:10:55,199 --> 04:10:59,199
upon. Now 5010, it says service

4845
04:10:59,199 --> 04:11:01,520
administration.

4846
04:11:01,520 --> 04:11:03,760
Um, so I'm not actually can't think of

4847
04:11:03,760 --> 04:11:08,389
who that would be. Um,

4848
04:11:08,399 --> 04:11:10,000
» 5010. Yeah, that's what we're talking

4849
04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:12,000
about.

4850
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:12,960
>> Street department.

4851
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:15,760
>> Okay. Street. Okay. Streets. So that's

4852
04:11:15,760 --> 04:11:17,760
obviously important. And then the next

4853
04:11:17,760 --> 04:11:21,429
one's code enforcement.

4854
04:11:21,439 --> 04:11:26,950
» The last one.

4855
04:11:26,960 --> 04:11:29,680
And this doesn't say who, but I'm sure

4856
04:11:29,680 --> 04:11:33,199
these are tied to a specific individual.

4857
04:11:33,199 --> 04:11:35,120
Is that correct?

4858
04:11:35,120 --> 04:11:39,110
>> Yeah.

4859
04:11:39,120 --> 04:11:42,950
» Just

4860
04:11:42,960 --> 04:11:46,550
paid on

4861
04:11:46,560 --> 04:11:47,760
the Yes.

4862
04:11:47,760 --> 04:11:49,600
>> For the building.

4863
04:11:49,600 --> 04:11:53,359
>> Okay. manner outside of

4864
04:11:53,359 --> 04:11:56,950
>> Yes.

4865
04:11:56,960 --> 04:12:16,550
» Other ones they get over.

4866
04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:18,960
» Any other question regarding this? We

4867
04:12:18,960 --> 04:12:21,199
need more clarification. We need to

4868
04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:24,160
reverse some things out. This report

4869
04:12:24,160 --> 04:12:25,279
needs to be updated.

4870
04:12:25,279 --> 04:12:26,960
>> So, could we just look at the act the

4871
04:12:26,960 --> 04:12:28,640
expenses last year for all of those?

4872
04:12:28,640 --> 04:12:31,040
all got spent, I'm sure. Right.

4873
04:12:31,040 --> 04:12:34,790
>> I can look it up.

4874
04:12:34,800 --> 04:12:36,640
» Want me to look it up?

4875
04:12:36,640 --> 04:12:37,760
>> I'm happy to.

4876
04:12:37,760 --> 04:12:42,790
>> No, I I'm sure I'll

4877
04:12:42,800 --> 04:12:46,319
» Okay. I just

4878
04:12:46,319 --> 04:12:48,960
>> like of I think it's the fire department

4879
04:12:48,960 --> 04:12:51,680
A34 CS

4880
04:12:51,680 --> 04:12:52,960
stipens

4881
04:12:52,960 --> 04:12:56,640
>> right in the A3411 just I'm just curious

4882
04:12:56,640 --> 04:12:57,600
as to

4883
04:12:57,600 --> 04:13:00,239
>> 411 that's all contractual

4884
04:13:00,239 --> 04:13:01,439
>> oh okay

4885
04:13:01,439 --> 04:13:02,560
>> that is not here

4886
04:13:02,560 --> 04:13:05,439
>> no I I know it's not there but

4887
04:13:05,439 --> 04:13:08,479
>> I mean we're talking stipens so I'm

4888
04:13:08,479 --> 04:13:11,199
wondering why it wasn't there but it's

4889
04:13:11,199 --> 04:13:11,840
just

4890
04:13:11,840 --> 04:13:13,359
>> anything that has to do

4891
04:13:13,359 --> 04:13:14,880
CSC

4892
04:13:14,880 --> 04:13:15,760
fire department

4893
04:13:15,760 --> 04:13:17,199
>> contractual

4894
04:13:17,199 --> 04:13:18,640
>> is not here.

4895
04:13:18,640 --> 04:13:20,319
>> Can I be this is not part of a

4896
04:13:20,319 --> 04:13:22,000
negotiation

4897
04:13:22,000 --> 04:13:24,000
is just asking

4898
04:13:24,000 --> 04:13:26,319
>> anything

4899
04:13:26,319 --> 04:13:33,590
that we all

4900
04:13:33,600 --> 04:13:43,269
» right go. No, no, no, no.

4901
04:13:43,279 --> 04:13:46,159
So just just a sick moving um we'll just

4902
04:13:46,159 --> 04:13:49,920
move on with this revisit

4903
04:13:49,920 --> 04:13:57,269
and um

4904
04:13:57,279 --> 04:14:00,319
» we have

4905
04:14:00,319 --> 04:14:04,479
any any members have any other expense

4906
04:14:04,479 --> 04:14:06,720
that we need to discuss

4907
04:14:06,720 --> 04:14:09,600
the lease.

4908
04:14:09,600 --> 04:14:11,359
>> What do you have anything else?

4909
04:14:11,359 --> 04:14:13,439
>> I mean,

4910
04:14:13,439 --> 04:14:15,439
>> no more no more expense.

4911
04:14:15,439 --> 04:14:16,960
>> I mentioned that you had some expense

4912
04:14:16,960 --> 04:14:19,199
that we didn't

4913
04:14:19,199 --> 04:14:21,120
>> that would be good.

4914
04:14:21,120 --> 04:14:25,750
>> Okay.

4915
04:14:25,760 --> 04:14:40,469
» That's

4916
04:14:40,479 --> 04:14:43,680
Oh, I did have a couple questions that

4917
04:14:43,680 --> 04:14:45,600
>> Yeah, we can go ahead and add please.

4918
04:14:45,600 --> 04:14:51,110
Yeah.

4919
04:14:51,120 --> 04:14:53,359
» Okay. So I asked that would be uh any

4920
04:14:53,359 --> 04:14:57,750
other that was in 2025

4921
04:14:57,760 --> 04:15:03,429
what percent

4922
04:15:03,439 --> 04:15:16,389
and how many employees currently outside

4923
04:15:16,399 --> 04:15:18,720
Yeah, that's not good.

4924
04:15:18,720 --> 04:15:21,359
>> So, as for

4925
04:15:21,359 --> 04:15:25,189
you have a new report

4926
04:15:25,199 --> 04:15:40,229
that was fun

4927
04:15:40,239 --> 04:15:49,030
later.

4928
04:15:49,040 --> 04:15:52,239
pass around.

4929
04:15:52,239 --> 04:15:53,840
>> I got two of the mayor need one of

4930
04:15:53,840 --> 04:15:55,600
these.

4931
04:15:55,600 --> 04:15:56,880
>> Uh, I got

4932
04:15:56,880 --> 04:16:14,309
>> Okay.

4933
04:16:14,319 --> 04:16:16,399
So

4934
04:16:16,399 --> 04:16:20,399
in fact this is a this this report

4935
04:16:20,399 --> 04:16:24,880
combined will be for

4936
04:16:24,880 --> 04:16:28,239
as 3 million8181

4937
04:16:28,239 --> 04:16:31,510
and 48

4938
04:16:31,520 --> 04:16:33,199
3.8

4939
04:16:33,199 --> 04:16:35,120
automating forms that we got.

4940
04:16:35,120 --> 04:16:38,229
>> Yes.

4941
04:16:38,239 --> 04:16:43,439
Um, so I before I asked for it and then

4942
04:16:43,439 --> 04:16:44,960
told us it was like 3 million and then

4943
04:16:44,960 --> 04:16:46,720
this is the additional because I'm

4944
04:16:46,720 --> 04:16:48,319
really just trying to get to how we got

4945
04:16:48,319 --> 04:16:51,760
to the $6 million gap.

4946
04:16:51,760 --> 04:16:54,640
That's why I asked for this.

4947
04:16:54,640 --> 04:16:59,920
And so if this plus what?

4948
04:16:59,920 --> 04:17:03,279
Well, we have fun balance. Uh

4949
04:17:03,279 --> 04:17:06,080
you look at previous year we was it last

4950
04:17:06,080 --> 04:17:10,479
year 6.6 million our funding

4951
04:17:10,479 --> 04:17:11,359
>> correct?

4952
04:17:11,359 --> 04:17:13,120
>> Um 6.1

4953
04:17:13,120 --> 04:17:16,479
>> 24 6.6 approximately. So

4954
04:17:16,479 --> 04:17:20,389
>> and

4955
04:17:20,399 --> 04:17:23,040
3 million change

4956
04:17:23,040 --> 04:17:30,389
of about 5.4 4 million above balance.

4957
04:17:30,399 --> 04:17:32,640
» So look at this report. So we have three

4958
04:17:32,640 --> 04:17:35,040
employee currently out of work and 19

4959
04:17:35,040 --> 04:17:36,960
from

4960
04:17:36,960 --> 04:17:40,229
that.

4961
04:17:40,239 --> 04:17:43,760
» Is that correct? Soal,

4962
04:17:43,760 --> 04:17:46,000
but there's only three of

4963
04:17:46,000 --> 04:17:51,510
>> this is that provided by

4964
04:17:51,520 --> 04:17:54,560
» and so your three currently out 19 uh

4965
04:17:54,560 --> 04:18:00,640
from January to 1020 in total

4966
04:18:00,640 --> 04:18:04,080
>> um of the 191

4967
04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:06,000
that's is that everybody actually went

4968
04:18:06,000 --> 04:18:08,880
on one

4969
04:18:08,880 --> 04:18:11,439
laugh

4970
04:18:11,439 --> 04:18:15,439
sometime this year they've been out

4971
04:18:15,439 --> 04:18:18,469
for

4972
04:18:18,479 --> 04:18:20,960
somebody can be out for a week usually a

4973
04:18:20,960 --> 04:18:23,760
day mostly it's tends to be a week or

4974
04:18:23,760 --> 04:18:30,229
longer

4975
04:18:30,239 --> 04:18:32,479
» so none of these people every one of

4976
04:18:32,479 --> 04:18:35,040
these occurrences started in Janu excuse

4977
04:18:35,040 --> 04:18:38,159
me in 2025 so nobody was out from 2024

4978
04:18:38,159 --> 04:18:40,479
They carried 2025.

4979
04:18:40,479 --> 04:18:45,359
>> No. Get another report to see what's

4980
04:18:45,359 --> 04:19:06,149
right. I just want to make sure that we

4981
04:19:06,159 --> 04:19:06,399
» um

4982
04:19:06,399 --> 04:19:09,199
>> so we do not so we do not have any any

4983
04:19:09,199 --> 04:19:12,960
anyone on long-term workers

4984
04:19:12,960 --> 04:19:15,920
>> on this list I'm not 100% Sure. I'm sure

4985
04:19:15,920 --> 04:19:17,520
I can get the information for council.

4986
04:19:17,520 --> 04:19:19,840
>> Yeah, if you don't mind can doing that.

4987
04:19:19,840 --> 04:19:23,520
Um, if you can get if there's anyone we

4988
04:19:23,520 --> 04:19:26,239
have anybody in 207 which is different

4989
04:19:26,239 --> 04:19:27,840
than

4990
04:19:27,840 --> 04:19:31,429
>> workers.

4991
04:19:31,439 --> 04:19:34,080
That's

4992
04:19:34,080 --> 04:19:37,279
>> Yeah. Um

4993
04:19:37,279 --> 04:19:41,760
I'm just looking to see if there are

4994
04:19:41,760 --> 04:19:43,279
long-term

4995
04:19:43,279 --> 04:19:47,520
except for 207 which is by now we have

4996
04:19:47,520 --> 04:19:50,479
full salary. Yeah, I'm just trying to

4997
04:19:50,479 --> 04:19:53,199
see if we have anybody

4998
04:19:53,199 --> 04:19:56,080
on long term and do we still carry the

4999
04:19:56,080 --> 04:20:00,070
salary line perhaps

5000
04:20:00,080 --> 04:20:02,399
» position

5001
04:20:02,399 --> 04:20:05,520
up now? So yes, their salary line is

5002
04:20:05,520 --> 04:20:10,710
budgeted.

5003
04:20:10,720 --> 04:20:12,800
» Is there anything else

5004
04:20:12,800 --> 04:20:16,319
there? Do we do we should we budget for

5005
04:20:16,319 --> 04:20:20,560
them on that line or are we keeping budget in anticipation

5006
04:20:20,560 --> 04:20:21,680
that they're going to come back next

5007
04:20:21,680 --> 04:20:25,199
week? Those are all I believe are

5008
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:27,840
shortterm

5009
04:20:27,840 --> 04:20:33,910
thing. So it's two weeks a month.

5010
04:20:33,920 --> 04:20:34,479
» Okay.

5011
04:20:34,479 --> 04:20:39,349
>> Standard account

5012
04:20:39,359 --> 04:20:42,720
of position for that.

5013
04:20:42,720 --> 04:20:44,880
Our

5014
04:20:44,880 --> 04:20:47,359
claim ratio right now is fairly good.

5015
04:20:47,359 --> 04:20:50,319
It's natur sometimes you can't tell how

5016
04:20:50,319 --> 04:20:53,910
it's going to go.

5017
04:20:53,920 --> 04:20:57,760
» So there's 30 people that I just see who

5018
04:20:57,760 --> 04:21:00,159
>> what was the specific question?

5019
04:21:00,159 --> 04:21:03,120
It it was more driven towards how do we

5020
04:21:03,120 --> 04:21:04,960
have how many employee do we have long

5021
04:21:04,960 --> 04:21:07,840
term workers

5022
04:21:07,840 --> 04:21:12,560
>> but you know not overall the timeline

5023
04:21:12,560 --> 04:21:16,399
>> I think and excluding um 207 because

5024
04:21:16,399 --> 04:21:19,760
regardless we have to pay them the full

5025
04:21:19,760 --> 04:21:24,239
sum rate so you exclude 27

5026
04:21:24,239 --> 04:21:26,159
>> I think another way of capturing it

5027
04:21:26,159 --> 04:21:30,399
since it's not just without people just

5028
04:21:30,399 --> 04:21:39,030
how long employ.

5029
04:21:39,040 --> 04:21:47,189
» Can can you please add that into the report

5030
04:21:47,199 --> 04:21:54,389
by by department also?

5031
04:21:54,399 --> 04:21:58,800
» So my question was um

5032
04:21:58,800 --> 04:22:01,279
It was responded to when it came to 207

5033
04:22:01,279 --> 04:22:04,159
whether it was contractual but for the

5034
04:22:04,159 --> 04:22:06,159
rest of the employees who are not part

5035
04:22:06,159 --> 04:22:09,439
of 207 is this contractual or it's just

5036
04:22:09,439 --> 04:22:12,239
a practice by the city.

5037
04:22:12,239 --> 04:22:15,279
>> No, sorry. Let me let me let me just

5038
04:22:15,279 --> 04:22:18,960
>> 207 and 20.

5039
04:22:18,960 --> 04:22:20,960
>> So let me just take So we have to

5040
04:22:20,960 --> 04:22:23,680
exclude 207

5041
04:22:23,680 --> 04:22:25,760
including 207.

5042
04:22:25,760 --> 04:22:26,640
>> That's coming.

5043
04:22:26,640 --> 04:22:28,000
>> Oh okay.

5044
04:22:28,000 --> 04:22:29,199
swimming 207.

5045
04:22:29,199 --> 04:22:29,920
>> Yes.

5046
04:22:29,920 --> 04:22:30,800
>> The other

5047
04:22:30,800 --> 04:22:32,640
>> CNC. Yes.

5048
04:22:32,640 --> 04:22:36,560
>> Anybody has 207 in front of it?

5049
04:22:36,560 --> 04:22:40,239
>> The rest of the workers common.

5050
04:22:40,239 --> 04:22:40,720
>> Yeah.

5051
04:22:40,720 --> 04:22:43,920
>> Is this based is it contractual or is

5052
04:22:43,920 --> 04:22:45,120
this

5053
04:22:45,120 --> 04:22:47,920
>> based on practice of for the city

5054
04:22:47,920 --> 04:22:49,920
>> state law? State law. Workers

5055
04:22:49,920 --> 04:22:52,000
compensation. I think that's one that's

5056
04:22:52,000 --> 04:22:54,080
generically

5057
04:22:54,080 --> 04:22:55,600
referred to. You don't know. It's a

5058
04:22:55,600 --> 04:22:58,000
felony. Yeah.

5059
04:22:58,000 --> 04:22:59,680
>> So,

5060
04:22:59,680 --> 04:23:01,199
and state law says we have to pay you a

5061
04:23:01,199 --> 04:23:04,239
full salary.

5062
04:23:04,239 --> 04:23:08,950
>> That's only for 207.

5063
04:23:08,960 --> 04:23:11,040
» Could you pay a full salary? They might

5064
04:23:11,040 --> 04:23:13,120
be paid partial salary. They might

5065
04:23:13,120 --> 04:23:15,760
depends on

5066
04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:21,910
the actual claim.

5067
04:23:21,920 --> 04:23:23,520
So it sounds like this is not something

5068
04:23:23,520 --> 04:23:25,600
that we really can be fooling around

5069
04:23:25,600 --> 04:23:27,279
with anyway, right? This is something

5070
04:23:27,279 --> 04:23:31,439
>> No. Well, not the not the 207.

5071
04:23:31,439 --> 04:23:33,279
>> Well, we can look at the report for the

5072
04:23:33,279 --> 04:23:36,560
ones that long term and they're

5073
04:23:36,560 --> 04:23:39,120
receiving workers.

5074
04:23:39,120 --> 04:23:41,359
>> And what state actually says about this?

5075
04:23:41,359 --> 04:23:44,960
>> Yes. So, um let's look at the report.

5076
04:23:44,960 --> 04:23:47,680
Let's look at u the position and

5077
04:23:47,680 --> 04:23:50,560
department.

5078
04:23:50,560 --> 04:23:52,479
And can you attach a dollar a dollar

5079
04:23:52,479 --> 04:23:56,560
amount to that also

5080
04:23:56,560 --> 04:23:59,920
plus uh plus benefit?

5081
04:23:59,920 --> 04:24:02,000
>> Let's see where how much it's costing us

5082
04:24:02,000 --> 04:24:04,399
to um fun

5083
04:24:04,399 --> 04:24:07,520
each position into the budget.

5084
04:24:07,520 --> 04:24:09,600
>> Can we change that? Why how could we

5085
04:24:09,600 --> 04:24:11,439
change that if that's what it is? I

5086
04:24:11,439 --> 04:24:13,920
guess is what I'm asking.

5087
04:24:13,920 --> 04:24:15,040
>> Oh,

5088
04:24:15,040 --> 04:24:17,600
>> isn't it workers compensation? I mean,

5089
04:24:17,600 --> 04:24:18,560
it is what it is.

5090
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:20,800
>> No, it just seemed like that there's

5091
04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:24,239
some variables in there around like

5092
04:24:24,239 --> 04:24:27,199
outside of certain

5093
04:24:27,199 --> 04:24:30,159
207 maybe ZDFG. Outside of that,

5094
04:24:30,159 --> 04:24:31,680
depending on the on the on the case,

5095
04:24:31,680 --> 04:24:34,800
there's some variables that the mayor u

5096
04:24:34,800 --> 04:24:36,159
unless I heard them wrong. There's some

5097
04:24:36,159 --> 04:24:37,840
variables depending. It could be full

5098
04:24:37,840 --> 04:24:41,199
pay, could be a percentage based on

5099
04:24:41,199 --> 04:24:42,720
>> No, I I heard that, but I guess I'm

5100
04:24:42,720 --> 04:24:43,120
saying

5101
04:24:43,120 --> 04:24:45,680
>> there are employees who sometimes will

5102
04:24:45,680 --> 04:24:48,960
take advantage of those plans and we do

5103
04:24:48,960 --> 04:24:52,640
manage that and do bring in

5104
04:24:52,640 --> 04:24:55,840
outside investigators and independent

5105
04:24:55,840 --> 04:24:58,000
medical eval.

5106
04:24:58,000 --> 04:24:59,439
>> I'm just answering why the information.

5107
04:24:59,439 --> 04:25:00,960
>> No, I'm just saying I mean I don't I

5108
04:25:00,960 --> 04:25:02,640
just feel like this is probably an area

5109
04:25:02,640 --> 04:25:04,239
that

5110
04:25:04,239 --> 04:25:07,199
we would not be necessarily arguing with

5111
04:25:07,199 --> 04:25:09,680
the budget as well. probably spend

5112
04:25:09,680 --> 04:25:14,870
another 3 or four hours in.

5113
04:25:14,880 --> 04:25:16,159
» I think right now we still need

5114
04:25:16,159 --> 04:25:18,319
clarification. We will be spending three

5115
04:25:18,319 --> 04:25:19,439
or four hours.

5116
04:25:19,439 --> 04:25:20,800
>> It's just a matter of getting the

5117
04:25:20,800 --> 04:25:22,560
information over so we can look at the

5118
04:25:22,560 --> 04:25:24,720
report and and that's what I'm trying to

5119
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:27,359
get to we're not going to analyze

5120
04:25:27,359 --> 04:25:29,439
anything. We're just

5121
04:25:29,439 --> 04:25:31,199
>> we're just trying to get the best

5122
04:25:31,199 --> 04:25:32,800
information over to the commissioner so

5123
04:25:32,800 --> 04:25:34,640
you can provide a report to us so we can

5124
04:25:34,640 --> 04:25:36,399
look at it. And when you get the report

5125
04:25:36,399 --> 04:25:39,120
tomorrow, please email it to us so that

5126
04:25:39,120 --> 04:25:41,520
uh we have it ahead of time and we can

5127
04:25:41,520 --> 04:25:44,880
review it and then come back uh with

5128
04:25:44,880 --> 04:25:47,840
looking for the city page

5129
04:25:47,840 --> 04:25:49,840
>> without the city.

5130
04:25:49,840 --> 04:25:51,279
>> Yes. What we what we have in the budget.

5131
04:25:51,279 --> 04:25:53,040
So if we have a long-term amount of work

5132
04:25:53,040 --> 04:25:56,239
everybody that we have on work has come

5133
04:25:56,239 --> 04:25:58,720
except for the 207s

5134
04:25:58,720 --> 04:26:01,920
how much we have in the budget

5135
04:26:01,920 --> 04:26:04,159
we have in the proposed budget for that

5136
04:26:04,159 --> 04:26:07,359
position and that's

5137
04:26:07,359 --> 04:26:10,080
the position plus dollar amount plus

5138
04:26:10,080 --> 04:26:14,389
benefit

5139
04:26:14,399 --> 04:26:27,990
and that's including everybody

5140
04:26:28,000 --> 04:26:30,479
Okay. All right. Any other question

5141
04:26:30,479 --> 04:26:34,070
regarding that?

5142
04:26:34,080 --> 04:26:37,040
We'll wait on that.

5143
04:26:37,040 --> 04:26:38,560
>> Anything uh do you have any other

5144
04:26:38,560 --> 04:26:40,960
question any back any questions what you

5145
04:26:40,960 --> 04:26:45,830
have there?

5146
04:26:45,840 --> 04:26:46,960
Go ahead, please.

5147
04:26:46,960 --> 04:26:48,880
>> I believe that was all I had

5148
04:26:48,880 --> 04:26:51,359
>> for my

5149
04:26:51,359 --> 04:26:52,960
>> You had some Mr. Far, you had some

5150
04:26:52,960 --> 04:26:54,960
questions. You got you're good with

5151
04:26:54,960 --> 04:26:56,000
those.

5152
04:26:56,000 --> 04:26:59,120
>> All right. You I submitted my question.

5153
04:26:59,120 --> 04:27:00,080
I had to

5154
04:27:00,080 --> 04:27:01,359
>> Oh, that's the one. Okay. Yeah, that's

5155
04:27:01,359 --> 04:27:04,159
fine.

5156
04:27:04,159 --> 04:27:06,000
>> All right. We should have this document

5157
04:27:06,000 --> 04:27:10,149
here

5158
04:27:10,159 --> 04:27:15,750
to be the package.

5159
04:27:15,760 --> 04:27:29,750
» Yeah.

5160
04:27:29,760 --> 04:27:34,479
Yes.

5161
04:27:34,479 --> 04:27:35,680
>> Which one are we looking at?

5162
04:27:35,680 --> 04:27:59,590
>> The waste partisan

5163
04:27:59,600 --> 04:28:01,439
» just for clarification purpose. So

5164
04:28:01,439 --> 04:28:04,319
whatever we're

5165
04:28:04,319 --> 04:28:06,960
uh commissioner whatever number we were

5166
04:28:06,960 --> 04:28:10,720
crunching all the time here has no

5167
04:28:10,720 --> 04:28:13,279
effect on this

5168
04:28:13,279 --> 04:28:30,229
separate

5169
04:28:30,239 --> 04:28:32,399
whatever we were on this.

5170
04:28:32,399 --> 04:28:36,710
>> Uhhuh. They were working our way.

5171
04:28:36,720 --> 04:28:51,349
>> Okay.

5172
04:28:51,359 --> 04:28:53,439
» Which one? What do you mean?

5173
04:28:53,439 --> 04:28:54,319
>> You don't have it.

5174
04:28:54,319 --> 04:28:56,479
>> It's attached to this.

5175
04:28:56,479 --> 04:28:59,199
>> It's attached to a memo.

5176
04:28:59,199 --> 04:29:01,600
How can you

5177
04:29:01,600 --> 04:29:04,159
>> was one of the first things like this?

5178
04:29:04,159 --> 04:29:07,359
So you might lost something.

5179
04:29:07,359 --> 04:29:12,790
>> I'm very sorry.

5180
04:29:12,800 --> 04:29:15,120
» This came to us on October 1st. This was

5181
04:29:15,120 --> 04:29:19,910
with the budget

5182
04:29:19,920 --> 04:29:26,870
» here. I'll shut

5183
04:29:26,880 --> 04:29:38,950
» you is

5184
04:29:38,960 --> 04:29:41,600
give you time to review and then open

5185
04:29:41,600 --> 04:29:46,309
for discussion and then

5186
04:29:46,319 --> 04:29:49,199
the sector

5187
04:29:49,199 --> 04:29:51,840
a real quick glance through um and we

5188
04:29:51,840 --> 04:29:53,920
asked like where a lot of our workers

5189
04:29:53,920 --> 04:29:56,239
compensation is on page two at the

5190
04:29:56,239 --> 04:30:03,030
bottom

5191
04:30:03,040 --> 04:30:10,790
to 730,000

5192
04:30:10,800 --> 04:30:15,990
page two.

5193
04:30:16,000 --> 04:30:41,510
» Oh yeah.

5194
04:30:41,520 --> 04:31:41,349
It's

5195
04:31:41,359 --> 04:31:52,229
Let's

5196
04:31:52,239 --> 04:34:07,189
see.

5197
04:34:07,199 --> 04:34:09,199
So, we're talking about waste now or

5198
04:34:09,199 --> 04:34:10,080
>> Yes.

5199
04:34:10,080 --> 04:34:12,400
>> When are we going to do we

5200
04:34:12,400 --> 04:34:14,320
>> I'm really lo here now. It's getting

5201
04:34:14,320 --> 04:34:18,470
pretty late.

5202
04:34:18,480 --> 04:34:22,629
So

5203
04:34:22,639 --> 04:34:24,400
» I mean

5204
04:34:24,400 --> 04:34:27,199
>> I don't know

5205
04:34:27,199 --> 04:34:31,840
continue for discussion. I mean

5206
04:34:31,840 --> 04:34:34,639
if any would you know I would like to

5207
04:34:34,639 --> 04:34:37,439
have every member that if some reason

5208
04:34:37,439 --> 04:34:42,000
>> if some reason for some reason a member

5209
04:34:42,000 --> 04:34:44,639
has to leave

5210
04:34:44,639 --> 04:34:46,240
And I respect that.

5211
04:34:46,240 --> 04:34:51,990
>> Thank you.

5212
04:34:52,000 --> 04:34:55,199
» We will have to still maintain a a a two

5213
04:34:55,199 --> 04:34:57,520
member.

5214
04:34:57,520 --> 04:34:57,920
>> Y.

5215
04:34:57,920 --> 04:34:59,680
>> So if for some reason two member of the

5216
04:34:59,680 --> 04:35:01,840
finance decide

5217
04:35:01,840 --> 04:35:02,639
of then

5218
04:35:02,639 --> 04:35:04,639
>> Well, do you have a a projected time of

5219
04:35:04,639 --> 04:35:06,639
the planning might end this evening or

5220
04:35:06,639 --> 04:35:08,799
are we going all the way through?

5221
04:35:08,799 --> 04:35:11,199
>> No, seriously. Hi.

5222
04:35:11,199 --> 04:35:13,439
>> I'm here till the pass.

5223
04:35:13,439 --> 04:35:15,279
>> Okay.

5224
04:35:15,279 --> 04:35:17,520
>> He said he's here.

5225
04:35:17,520 --> 04:35:20,320
>> Extremely close pending questions into

5226
04:35:20,320 --> 04:35:22,240
tomorrow. Well, are you going to wait

5227
04:35:22,240 --> 04:35:24,400
for the information

5228
04:35:24,400 --> 04:35:28,400
tomorrow right now? So, being close

5229
04:35:28,400 --> 04:35:31,279
get closer. We can't we I don't think we

5230
04:35:31,279 --> 04:35:32,799
can push it for weeks. We need some

5231
04:35:32,799 --> 04:35:33,600
information.

5232
04:35:33,600 --> 04:35:34,400
>> Mhm.

5233
04:35:34,400 --> 04:35:35,199
>> With regard

5234
04:35:35,199 --> 04:35:38,400
>> some you know that I'll send staff home

5235
04:35:38,400 --> 04:35:40,160
and you can bring them back the next

5236
04:35:40,160 --> 04:35:42,959
meeting. There's a limitation in terms

5237
04:35:42,959 --> 04:35:49,269
of people's performance.

5238
04:35:49,279 --> 04:35:51,119
» I hear you.

5239
04:35:51,119 --> 04:35:53,760
>> I don't understand

5240
04:35:53,760 --> 04:35:55,840
>> that these guys could go home. All these

5241
04:35:55,840 --> 04:35:58,561
guys could go home. not staying until 1

5242
04:35:58,561 --> 04:36:02,400
2 in the morning until it's done. Mhm.

5243
04:36:02,400 --> 04:36:04,400
So we can start discussion on on this

5244
04:36:04,400 --> 04:36:09,359
place here with um cost analysis study.

5245
04:36:09,359 --> 04:36:14,869
>> Uh

5246
04:36:14,879 --> 04:36:19,199
» so starting from the back

5247
04:36:19,199 --> 04:36:21,520
>> the talk of commission general services

5248
04:36:21,520 --> 04:36:23,680
is all one

5249
04:36:23,680 --> 04:36:26,080
>> now

5250
04:36:26,080 --> 04:36:29,680
that only for one. So what? Um just

5251
04:36:29,680 --> 04:36:32,879
showing that because they do run the

5252
04:36:32,879 --> 04:36:36,080
waste department. Yes. Uh but they learn

5253
04:36:36,080 --> 04:36:37,920
their salary

5254
04:36:37,920 --> 04:36:40,400
to water and sewer. So just reflecting

5255
04:36:40,400 --> 04:36:42,639
that as part of the whole picture for

5256
04:36:42,639 --> 04:36:44,320
the waste cost.

5257
04:36:44,320 --> 04:36:51,910
>> So they lose their salary benefits.

5258
04:36:51,920 --> 04:36:54,561
» And then the other thing too is to not

5259
04:36:54,561 --> 04:36:58,470
for

5260
04:36:58,480 --> 04:37:02,639
from sector 2025 delta budget. Uh it

5261
04:37:02,639 --> 04:37:05,920
didn't include all the seasonals. So

5262
04:37:05,920 --> 04:37:08,080
that 9.85

5263
04:37:08,080 --> 04:37:12,639
more like 1.4 that's not included

5264
04:37:12,639 --> 04:37:18,230
within this analysis.

5265
04:37:18,240 --> 04:37:20,320
256

5266
04:37:20,320 --> 04:37:23,760
whole pages will be there.

5267
04:37:23,760 --> 04:37:26,480
So the the commissioner and the deputy

5268
04:37:26,480 --> 04:37:28,719
both

5269
04:37:28,719 --> 04:37:29,920
are full

5270
04:37:29,920 --> 04:37:32,480
>> right

5271
04:37:32,480 --> 04:37:35,359
now.

5272
04:37:35,359 --> 04:37:43,990
>> Okay.

5273
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:50,869
advance. So for 816118,000

5274
04:37:50,879 --> 04:37:55,109
and then for 8162,000

5275
04:37:55,119 --> 04:37:56,480
that wasn't there last year that is

5276
04:37:56,480 --> 04:38:15,269
there this year.

5277
04:38:15,279 --> 04:38:16,799
in the near days to see what was

5278
04:38:16,799 --> 04:38:33,510
expected.

5279
04:38:33,520 --> 04:38:49,510
Let's

5280
04:38:49,520 --> 04:39:03,029
go.

5281
04:39:03,039 --> 04:39:05,279
with the air.

5282
04:39:05,279 --> 04:39:30,709
Sorry.

5283
04:39:30,719 --> 04:39:33,600
for being

5284
04:39:33,600 --> 04:39:36,240
over time

5285
04:39:36,240 --> 04:40:00,550
8,000 here today

5286
04:40:00,560 --> 04:40:05,110
I put that

5287
04:40:05,120 --> 04:40:19,750
file that's been here to date

5288
04:40:19,760 --> 04:40:26,708
» and 122 is a new added time.

5289
04:40:26,718 --> 04:40:28,480
That one

5290
04:40:28,480 --> 04:40:37,190
has $8,000 in the current.

5291
04:40:37,200 --> 04:40:47,430
» It wasn't in the 25 budget.

5292
04:40:47,440 --> 04:40:52,230
So we spent money that wasn't

5293
04:40:52,240 --> 04:40:55,830
» I'm sure

5294
04:40:55,840 --> 04:40:58,638
address that. So, so we wasn't much

5295
04:40:58,638 --> 04:41:03,990
interest.

5296
04:41:04,000 --> 04:41:06,000
» I wonder if that's brought over with the

5297
04:41:06,000 --> 04:41:08,160
other employees that

5298
04:41:08,160 --> 04:41:10,480
>> I believe so

5299
04:41:10,480 --> 04:41:16,150
uh seasons

5300
04:41:16,160 --> 04:41:19,670
$20,000.

5301
04:41:19,680 --> 04:41:23,600
» Uh if you need more details,

5302
04:41:23,600 --> 04:41:25,360
Commissioner will probably walk you

5303
04:41:25,360 --> 04:41:27,600
through it. So yesterday we paid on that

5304
04:41:27,600 --> 04:41:30,878
line that was 8,000.

5305
04:41:30,878 --> 04:41:33,200
How much did we pay?

5306
04:41:33,200 --> 04:41:34,400
>> I got it.

5307
04:41:34,400 --> 04:41:36,638
>> That line currently 8,000

5308
04:41:36,638 --> 04:41:42,628
>> for this year.

5309
04:41:42,638 --> 04:41:55,670
And what's

5310
04:41:55,680 --> 04:42:08,628
» okay?

5311
04:42:08,638 --> 04:42:14,320
Um, and then we added a line 8163

5312
04:42:14,320 --> 04:42:25,910
122. No one for that. We added 3,00

5313
04:42:25,920 --> 04:42:33,350
163.

5314
04:42:33,360 --> 04:42:35,680
Mhm. Yeah. 3,000

5315
04:42:35,680 --> 04:42:45,510
13.

5316
04:42:45,520 --> 04:43:00,230
It's page 24 on the year to date.

5317
04:43:00,240 --> 04:43:18,868
Enter.

5318
04:43:18,878 --> 04:43:32,868
I already pointed out a little bit and

5319
04:43:32,878 --> 04:43:38,230
In terms of the um the revenue

5320
04:43:38,240 --> 04:43:41,040
a 2130

5321
04:43:41,040 --> 04:43:44,788
commercial waste

5322
04:43:44,798 --> 04:43:54,868
530

5323
04:43:54,878 --> 04:43:56,320
that Any advice about commercial

5324
04:43:56,320 --> 04:44:01,590
contracts?

5325
04:44:01,600 --> 04:44:04,708
um

5326
04:44:04,718 --> 04:44:28,550
Tell me

5327
04:44:28,560 --> 04:44:31,840
new waste violation for 15 gallons. I'm

5328
04:44:31,840 --> 04:44:37,510
not sure what that is for.

5329
04:44:37,520 --> 04:44:39,200
What number is that, Mary?

5330
04:44:39,200 --> 04:45:06,550
>> Oh, I see it. I got it.

5331
04:45:06,560 --> 04:45:10,400
again. It wasn't expected.

5332
04:45:10,400 --> 04:45:17,110
I recall

5333
04:45:17,120 --> 04:45:18,718
that

5334
04:45:18,718 --> 04:45:22,948
was

5335
04:45:22,958 --> 04:45:29,750
well spray

5336
04:45:29,760 --> 04:45:31,040
trash

5337
04:45:31,040 --> 04:45:31,920
>> infestations

5338
04:45:31,920 --> 04:45:34,080
>> and Mr. chairman that I thought I for

5339
04:45:34,080 --> 04:45:36,480
the council that fee

5340
04:45:36,480 --> 04:45:39,920
it's a lean on the propert so it goes a

5341
04:45:39,920 --> 04:45:44,788
little under tax

5342
04:45:44,798 --> 04:45:48,320
for that type of control it's it's a

5343
04:45:48,320 --> 04:45:50,240
bill is sent to the property owner and

5344
04:45:50,240 --> 04:45:51,920
if they don't pay a benefit on the

5345
04:45:51,920 --> 04:45:53,840
property

5346
04:45:53,840 --> 04:45:55,600
>> so this is new because we didn't do it

5347
04:45:55,600 --> 04:45:59,040
before it wasn't in the budget funny

5348
04:45:59,040 --> 04:46:01,040
>> it's a waste collection fee I think we

5349
04:46:01,040 --> 04:46:04,480
didn't know that last I think they

5350
04:46:04,480 --> 04:46:06,240
I think that was something that we had

5351
04:46:06,240 --> 04:46:08,400
discussions on and that's how come we

5352
04:46:08,400 --> 04:46:10,560
realized they could do that.

5353
04:46:10,560 --> 04:46:13,520
>> That's what they be doing. Or I I would

5354
04:46:13,520 --> 04:46:17,600
let Mr. Hon speak to that. That's what

5355
04:46:17,600 --> 04:46:19,440
the commissioner just talked about and

5356
04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:22,000
that's that fee. The only other thing I

5357
04:46:22,000 --> 04:46:24,320
can think of is the administrative fee.

5358
04:46:24,320 --> 04:46:26,958
It's at $25. raised the administrative

5359
04:46:26,958 --> 04:46:31,520
fees for other entities to $50 last year

5360
04:46:31,520 --> 04:46:34,320
and the administrative fee if they go to

5361
04:46:34,320 --> 04:46:36,400
house they site somebody and their

5362
04:46:36,400 --> 04:46:38,240
garbage is out early and they go back

5363
04:46:38,240 --> 04:46:40,718
and it's still out it's it's the

5364
04:46:40,718 --> 04:46:43,200
administrative fee for 50 bucks

5365
04:46:43,200 --> 04:46:45,360
>> right now the code is for waste

5366
04:46:45,360 --> 04:46:48,480
collection is at that 25 so he may be

5367
04:46:48,480 --> 04:46:49,520
thinking

5368
04:46:49,520 --> 04:46:52,718
>> he may want that change I'm speculation

5369
04:46:52,718 --> 04:46:54,798
you might

5370
04:46:54,798 --> 04:46:59,520
>> um I do have another question when you mention that. So probably this

5371
04:46:59,520 --> 04:47:01,520
is probably since you brought it on the

5372
04:47:01,520 --> 04:47:08,480
mask if you know they mask out and they

5373
04:47:08,480 --> 04:47:10,560
um don't the trash people don't collect

5374
04:47:10,560 --> 04:47:13,440
it but they drag it back to their homes.

5375
04:47:13,440 --> 04:47:15,600
They still get the administrative fee.

5376
04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:18,798
>> You have to talk to Mr. Lefondor.

5377
04:47:18,798 --> 04:47:21,600
>> Okay. But I think that may be what

5378
04:47:21,600 --> 04:47:24,320
they're looking at there because it's

5379
04:47:24,320 --> 04:47:26,240
$25 and all the other administrative

5380
04:47:26,240 --> 04:47:29,280
fees last year were raised to 50. So you

5381
04:47:29,280 --> 04:47:31,040
can speak to that. Now I remember Mr.

5382
04:47:31,040 --> 04:47:33,440
Leaf was saying that

5383
04:47:33,440 --> 04:47:36,878
at the initial start of this he was you

5384
04:47:36,878 --> 04:47:39,600
know making sure that people like

5385
04:47:39,600 --> 04:47:41,360
understood he was trying to help educate

5386
04:47:41,360 --> 04:47:43,440
people and then at some point then you

5387
04:47:43,440 --> 04:47:47,120
know would be more enforcement right and

5388
04:47:47,120 --> 04:47:48,638
I'm wondering those things that aren't

5389
04:47:48,638 --> 04:47:53,120
budgeted are those something that's not

5390
04:47:53,120 --> 04:47:55,520
budgeted or they are the something about

5391
04:47:55,520 --> 04:47:57,600
moving over from another so I'm just

5392
04:47:57,600 --> 04:47:59,840
trying to figure out I'm sure Mr. can

5393
04:47:59,840 --> 04:48:02,798
answer that question cuz it might be a a

5394
04:48:02,798 --> 04:48:05,200
line that's moved

5395
04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:07,760
then it is a new line

5396
04:48:07,760 --> 04:48:11,190
right

5397
04:48:11,200 --> 04:48:12,958
I don't know but it may be that there

5398
04:48:12,958 --> 04:48:15,520
was a enforcement last year

5399
04:48:15,520 --> 04:48:18,638
>> as the the new structure was rolled out

5400
04:48:18,638 --> 04:48:21,360
and now he's now accounting for it but

5401
04:48:21,360 --> 04:49:10,788
he needs to speak

5402
04:49:10,798 --> 04:49:17,430
discussion is open please

5403
04:49:17,440 --> 04:50:54,150
comment

5404
04:50:54,160 --> 04:50:56,400
We all set in this section. Are we all

5405
04:50:56,400 --> 04:50:58,400
set in this section?

5406
04:50:58,400 --> 04:51:01,680
>> Commissioner benefits from here

5407
04:51:01,680 --> 04:51:06,080
in the yard from this overall benefit.

5408
04:51:06,080 --> 04:51:09,520
It is it's included and separated uh at

5409
04:51:09,520 --> 04:51:13,280
least related to the waste.

5410
04:51:13,280 --> 04:51:17,190
Also just note

5411
04:51:17,200 --> 04:51:19,440
that 1037

5412
04:51:19,440 --> 04:51:21,920
is coming up. So these numbers will

5413
04:51:21,920 --> 04:51:24,160
increase

5414
04:51:24,160 --> 04:51:26,878
what occurs.

5415
04:51:26,878 --> 04:51:29,120
No, I'm talking about

5416
04:51:29,120 --> 04:51:30,400
>> I understand that.

5417
04:51:30,400 --> 04:51:31,600
>> Well, you get it,

5418
04:51:31,600 --> 04:51:32,400
>> right?

5419
04:51:32,400 --> 04:51:34,638
>> It's in here.

5420
04:51:34,638 --> 04:51:38,470
>> Is it also in here?

5421
04:51:38,480 --> 04:51:40,958
» This is separated for the council to say

5422
04:51:40,958 --> 04:51:42,878
yes or specifically waste. But if you

5423
04:51:42,878 --> 04:51:45,760
look at the end of the general fund

5424
04:51:45,760 --> 04:51:49,200
with the employee benefit section

5425
04:51:49,200 --> 04:51:50,878
underway

5426
04:51:50,878 --> 04:51:53,520
group

5427
04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:56,798
>> doesn't delineate waste just total

5428
04:51:56,798 --> 04:52:00,070
benefits.

5429
04:52:00,080 --> 04:52:03,520
» Oh I see I'm very near the end of our

5430
04:52:03,520 --> 04:52:12,788
budget. Right.

5431
04:52:12,798 --> 04:52:17,040
So our standard for benefits is anywhere

5432
04:52:17,040 --> 04:52:22,000
between 72 and 75. Uh I believe CSA

5433
04:52:22,000 --> 04:52:23,520
5%

5434
04:52:23,520 --> 04:52:26,240
off the buff. So that's that number

5435
04:52:26,240 --> 04:52:27,280
there. Um

5436
04:52:27,280 --> 04:52:27,600
>> wow.

5437
04:52:27,600 --> 04:52:29,760
>> And then our debt service is a million

5438
04:52:29,760 --> 04:52:42,708
borrow past years.

5439
04:52:42,718 --> 04:52:46,718
So sanctified that sort of sphere uh you

5440
04:52:46,718 --> 04:52:49,200
have one point

5441
04:52:49,200 --> 04:52:53,270
1 1.1 million here

5442
04:52:53,280 --> 04:52:57,440
you put 1.1 million

5443
04:52:57,440 --> 04:53:11,350
1.12 million

5444
04:53:11,360 --> 04:53:13,120
I'm sorry. Could you say that a little

5445
04:53:13,120 --> 04:53:14,798
louder for me, please?

5446
04:53:14,798 --> 04:53:24,788
>> Death service.

5447
04:53:24,798 --> 04:53:28,638
» Page 65.

5448
04:53:28,638 --> 04:53:30,560
>> 65.

5449
04:53:30,560 --> 04:53:38,230
>> 75.

5450
04:53:38,240 --> 04:53:51,670
You have you have that page 75.

5451
04:53:51,680 --> 04:53:55,910
» And this was just broken out

5452
04:53:55,920 --> 04:54:00,000
the cost for this the whole picture.

5453
04:54:00,000 --> 04:54:57,990
It's coming in.

5454
04:54:58,000 --> 04:55:00,400
I guess since we're speaking about debt

5455
04:55:00,400 --> 04:55:05,120
um is a topic to bring up but counc uh

5456
04:55:05,120 --> 04:55:08,718
ask a button on time.

5457
04:55:08,718 --> 04:55:14,240
So be aware in 23 um 24 and 24 um there

5458
04:55:14,240 --> 04:55:18,480
was um physical uncertainty um and our

5459
04:55:18,480 --> 04:55:21,120
S&P uh rating potentially could have

5460
04:55:21,120 --> 04:55:24,560
been affected didn't at the time but

5461
04:55:24,560 --> 04:55:26,958
negatively affected our interest rates

5462
04:55:26,958 --> 04:55:29,200
increase which uh just for a quick

5463
04:55:29,200 --> 04:55:31,200
example

5464
04:55:31,200 --> 04:55:34,718
we have 21 million at 3.56%

5465
04:55:34,718 --> 04:55:37,920
15 million approximately 3.56%

5466
04:55:37,920 --> 04:55:40,638
uh if you increase that by.5% if our

5467
04:55:40,638 --> 04:55:42,400
rate goes down. This is just a

5468
04:55:42,400 --> 04:55:45,440
hypothetical scenario

5469
04:55:45,440 --> 04:55:48,400
it would increase our interest by 170

5470
04:55:48,400 --> 04:55:52,878
187k um in 2027 and that'll be

5471
04:55:52,878 --> 04:55:54,638
additional years forward.

5472
04:55:54,638 --> 04:55:57,040
>> So it's important that the council pass

5473
04:55:57,040 --> 04:55:58,958
on time

5474
04:55:58,958 --> 04:56:01,200
>> and that's and that also if you don't

5475
04:56:01,200 --> 04:56:02,560
consider

5476
04:56:02,560 --> 04:56:05,440
>> uh borrowing for 2026.

5477
04:56:05,440 --> 04:56:09,750
that number and B.

5478
04:56:09,760 --> 04:56:12,480
» This thing is

5479
04:56:12,480 --> 04:56:15,440
it's important that we capture what this

5480
04:56:15,440 --> 04:56:21,110
process is. Um the council

5481
04:56:21,120 --> 04:56:23,920
wants to pass a budget on time. Council

5482
04:56:23,920 --> 04:56:25,600
needs information, the relevant

5483
04:56:25,600 --> 04:56:28,160
information to pass the budget. So if

5484
04:56:28,160 --> 04:56:32,628
the budget doesn't pass on time

5485
04:56:32,638 --> 04:56:34,798
based on the information that's given or

5486
04:56:34,798 --> 04:56:37,200
not given and we need to, you know, hold

5487
04:56:37,200 --> 04:56:39,360
that in appropriate context. I'm not one

5488
04:56:39,360 --> 04:56:42,000
to, you know, quite honestly, we've had

5489
04:56:42,000 --> 04:56:45,520
the scenarios where it has gotten to,

5490
04:56:45,520 --> 04:56:48,560
you know, quite contentious in the

5491
04:56:48,560 --> 04:56:51,040
process of trying to pass a budget. And

5492
04:56:51,040 --> 04:56:53,520
I've worked really hard to try to get us

5493
04:56:53,520 --> 04:56:55,440
to a point where we could. Anyone that

5494
04:56:55,440 --> 04:56:58,240
is here at that time knows that.

5495
04:56:58,240 --> 04:57:01,520
But that still is under,

5496
04:57:01,520 --> 04:57:03,200
you know, right now I don't want to, you

5497
04:57:03,200 --> 04:57:06,080
know, have this level of pressure to

5498
04:57:06,080 --> 04:57:09,280
pass a budget and essentially the clock

5499
04:57:09,280 --> 04:57:10,878
gets run out without the information

5500
04:57:10,878 --> 04:57:12,878
that we need.

5501
04:57:12,878 --> 04:57:14,560
And that's kind of where I'm feeling

5502
04:57:14,560 --> 04:57:16,480
right now. So, as much as I can

5503
04:57:16,480 --> 04:57:18,560
appreciate your clearance for us why we

5504
04:57:18,560 --> 04:57:20,480
need to pass a budget, we need

5505
04:57:20,480 --> 04:57:22,000
information.

5506
04:57:22,000 --> 04:57:23,840
And there's important information that I

5507
04:57:23,840 --> 04:57:25,920
have yet to receive that can change the

5508
04:57:25,920 --> 04:57:39,670
landscape of this budget.

5509
04:57:39,680 --> 04:57:43,520
» I mean this is a lot for us to digest.

5510
04:57:43,520 --> 04:57:45,920
I'll be honest.

5511
04:57:45,920 --> 04:57:49,920
So I ask that um we look at this and if

5512
04:57:49,920 --> 04:57:52,958
you have questions u please email them

5513
04:57:52,958 --> 04:57:56,878
out or be ready to

5514
04:57:56,878 --> 04:57:59,600
ask questions when we come back

5515
04:57:59,600 --> 04:58:01,920
>> to make suggestion or recommendation in

5516
04:58:01,920 --> 04:58:05,200
terms of the ways

5517
04:58:05,200 --> 04:58:08,560
increase you looked at the the last page

5518
04:58:08,560 --> 04:58:13,120
in terms of the refuge and trash her

5519
04:58:13,120 --> 04:58:15,840
>> it's going up to $9.5 million

5520
04:58:15,840 --> 04:58:18,958
from $7.2 million.

5521
04:58:18,958 --> 04:58:21,600
So that's an increase of $2.2 million

5522
04:58:21,600 --> 04:58:22,718
right there.

5523
04:58:22,718 --> 04:58:25,360
>> I think we got this on October 1st.

5524
04:58:25,360 --> 04:58:27,360
>> We got it with the budget.

5525
04:58:27,360 --> 04:58:28,878
>> It was the first thing that came to us.

5526
04:58:28,878 --> 04:58:31,280
So it was October 1st. Yeah.

5527
04:58:31,280 --> 04:58:33,760
>> Just saying that we all had it for

5528
04:58:33,760 --> 04:58:35,840
>> So I as 28 days,

5529
04:58:35,840 --> 04:58:36,958
>> but this is the first time we're

5530
04:58:36,958 --> 04:58:43,670
discussing it. I ask you to

5531
04:58:43,680 --> 04:58:47,040
dive into it and if you have question

5532
04:58:47,040 --> 04:58:49,760
submit it

5533
04:58:49,760 --> 04:58:52,320
ahead of time.

5534
04:58:52,320 --> 04:58:54,480
Um

5535
04:58:54,480 --> 04:58:57,440
let me jump into capital. Oh sorry.

5536
04:58:57,440 --> 04:58:59,840
>> Um so Mr.

5537
04:58:59,840 --> 04:59:04,000
the of Mr. from Are we going to email

5538
04:59:04,000 --> 04:59:05,840
him the question that I raised or are

5539
04:59:05,840 --> 04:59:07,280
you going to ask him to come here on

5540
04:59:07,280 --> 04:59:08,560
Thursday?

5541
04:59:08,560 --> 04:59:10,878
>> Well, we can email the question

5542
04:59:10,878 --> 04:59:13,360
>> and if you would like to

5543
04:59:13,360 --> 04:59:14,160
have

5544
04:59:14,160 --> 04:59:19,040
>> Okay. Yeah. But um we can we try to get

5545
04:59:19,040 --> 04:59:26,390
the questions

5546
04:59:26,400 --> 04:59:30,390
with

5547
04:59:30,400 --> 04:59:33,910
capital.

5548
04:59:33,920 --> 04:59:45,350
» Yes.

5549
04:59:45,360 --> 04:59:51,990
» Sure. have it.

5550
04:59:52,000 --> 04:59:54,400
» Yeah, we do have a copy here. It should

5551
04:59:54,400 --> 04:59:59,110
be in your package.

5552
04:59:59,120 --> 05:00:00,718
» Take the package.

5553
05:00:00,718 --> 05:00:02,320
>> We just got it today. I mean, this one

5554
05:00:02,320 --> 05:00:03,600
was was here today.

5555
05:00:03,600 --> 05:00:05,600
>> This is where couple couple days ago.

5556
05:00:05,600 --> 05:00:08,480
>> Okay, I've got it. It was It was part of

5557
05:00:08,480 --> 05:00:10,638
Yeah, I think it was today's package.

5558
05:00:10,638 --> 05:00:24,708
This

5559
05:00:24,718 --> 05:00:34,868
You can also turn up to page 91

5560
05:00:34,878 --> 05:00:50,230
and then that will help guide us along.

5561
05:00:50,240 --> 05:00:53,520
Now there we haven't talked about

5562
05:00:53,520 --> 05:01:00,628
capital

5563
05:01:00,638 --> 05:01:13,510
work recommendation.

5564
05:01:13,520 --> 05:01:14,240
Yeah,

5565
05:01:14,240 --> 05:01:16,638
>> thank you. I would like to say that I

5566
05:01:16,638 --> 05:01:19,360
believe each department was as cut back

5567
05:01:19,360 --> 05:01:22,160
on but through very necessities that

5568
05:01:22,160 --> 05:01:23,840
they need to make the department

5569
05:01:23,840 --> 05:01:27,920
official of the department. This whole

5570
05:01:27,920 --> 05:01:32,080
list, the most department has been

5571
05:01:32,080 --> 05:01:34,560
scrutinized and cut back already. I'm

5572
05:01:34,560 --> 05:01:44,150
just putting that out there

5573
05:01:44,160 --> 05:01:46,718
and we've had presentations on each one.

5574
05:01:46,718 --> 05:01:50,000
>> We've had presentations on all of this.

5575
05:01:50,000 --> 05:01:52,718
>> I wrote lots of notes as we were hearing

5576
05:01:52,718 --> 05:02:13,110
from the department heads.

5577
05:02:13,120 --> 05:02:14,718
What was the date of our first budget

5578
05:02:14,718 --> 05:02:18,320
meeting? Anybody remember?

5579
05:02:18,320 --> 05:02:22,470
>> 14th.

5580
05:02:22,480 --> 05:02:24,718
» October 14th.

5581
05:02:24,718 --> 05:02:25,520
What?

5582
05:02:25,520 --> 05:02:29,510
>> Four.

5583
05:02:29,520 --> 05:02:34,310
» Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just listening.

5584
05:02:34,320 --> 05:02:37,360
» I think it might have been the seven.

5585
05:02:37,360 --> 05:02:38,878
>> I'm just trying to find notes.

5586
05:02:38,878 --> 05:02:42,240
>> I remember being here.

5587
05:02:42,240 --> 05:02:44,240
>> I don't know.

5588
05:02:44,240 --> 05:02:52,948
>> Yes. Happy birthday.

5589
05:02:52,958 --> 05:02:55,680
I'm gonna have to go by memory. Oh, no.

5590
05:02:55,680 --> 05:03:05,030
I know. Was I probably took notes on the

5591
05:03:05,040 --> 05:03:54,150
» Oh, it's

5592
05:03:54,160 --> 05:03:55,840
Are we

5593
05:03:55,840 --> 05:03:59,110
updated?

5594
05:03:59,120 --> 05:04:07,510
But we got this one.

5595
05:04:07,520 --> 05:04:09,920
» Yeah.

5596
05:04:09,920 --> 05:04:23,350
>> Oh, sorry.

5597
05:04:23,360 --> 05:04:25,280
» I have a hard copy.

5598
05:04:25,280 --> 05:04:26,798
>> I don't need a hard copy.

5599
05:04:26,798 --> 05:04:27,760
>> No,

5600
05:04:27,760 --> 05:04:29,600
>> I have it. No, we know you don't need

5601
05:04:29,600 --> 05:04:29,920
it.

5602
05:04:29,920 --> 05:04:32,560
>> Okay. I didn't know. I heard my name.

5603
05:04:32,560 --> 05:04:34,560
>> They need They want to run a copy off of

5604
05:04:34,560 --> 05:04:35,440
your copy.

5605
05:04:35,440 --> 05:04:36,400
>> Oh, sure.

5606
05:04:36,400 --> 05:04:57,430
>> Okay.

5607
05:04:57,440 --> 05:05:03,190
probably

5608
05:05:03,200 --> 05:05:06,798
does anyone state

5609
05:05:06,798 --> 05:05:19,990
that

5610
05:05:20,000 --> 05:05:21,920
these were all

5611
05:05:21,920 --> 05:05:52,310
Yeah.

5612
05:05:52,320 --> 05:05:54,638
There are some recommended changes. So I

5613
05:05:54,638 --> 05:05:56,798
ask

5614
05:05:56,798 --> 05:06:01,600
you one of the school changed and

5615
05:06:01,600 --> 05:06:05,280
be with the to the board has you making

5616
05:06:05,280 --> 05:06:06,400
some changes there.

5617
05:06:06,400 --> 05:06:07,920
>> Yeah, I think it's supposed to take all

5618
05:06:07,920 --> 05:06:13,430
the

5619
05:06:13,440 --> 05:06:15,360
sheet record

5620
05:06:15,360 --> 05:06:16,718
there. Whatever.

5621
05:06:16,718 --> 05:06:18,400
>> I might stay. Yeah, just take them off

5622
05:06:18,400 --> 05:06:29,590
and then I might stay with them.

5623
05:06:29,600 --> 05:06:33,750
» He's getting a new seat.

5624
05:06:33,760 --> 05:06:36,000
I'm sorry.

5625
05:06:36,000 --> 05:06:55,910
And I still might say true.

5626
05:06:55,920 --> 05:06:57,520
That's empty.

5627
05:06:57,520 --> 05:06:59,120
>> It's empty. I think unless they filled

5628
05:06:59,120 --> 05:07:11,110
it recently

5629
05:07:11,120 --> 05:07:14,000
here.

5630
05:07:14,000 --> 05:07:16,480
>> How's your wife doing?

5631
05:07:16,480 --> 05:07:18,878
>> Um, good. Good for now.

5632
05:07:18,878 --> 05:07:19,840
>> Good for now.

5633
05:07:19,840 --> 05:07:21,360
>> Yeah.

5634
05:07:21,360 --> 05:07:24,320
>> Coming right up.

5635
05:07:24,320 --> 05:07:25,600
>> I will tell.

5636
05:07:25,600 --> 05:07:27,600
>> Absolutely.

5637
05:07:27,600 --> 05:07:30,400
It's exciting. My phone just

5638
05:07:30,400 --> 05:07:35,990
>> Oh jeez. Oh my gosh. Don't tell us that.

5639
05:07:36,000 --> 05:07:38,480
» Your first one, right? So your phone

5640
05:07:38,480 --> 05:07:40,480
will ring, but then you go to the

5641
05:07:40,480 --> 05:07:52,150
hospital 17 hours later. No.

5642
05:07:52,160 --> 05:07:54,718
» Hopefully hopefully it's on the weekend.

5643
05:07:54,718 --> 05:07:56,798
>> That's so special. So so special.

5644
05:07:56,798 --> 05:08:01,750
>> Oh, that'd be great.

5645
05:08:01,760 --> 05:08:04,240
» Do you have any like family beds going

5646
05:08:04,240 --> 05:08:07,920
on about the day?

5647
05:08:07,920 --> 05:08:09,680
>> Everyone's saying Halloween.

5648
05:08:09,680 --> 05:08:11,520
>> Halloween.

5649
05:08:11,520 --> 05:08:12,718
That's always fun.

5650
05:08:12,718 --> 05:08:17,030
>> Uh my wife

5651
05:08:17,040 --> 05:08:17,600
soon.

5652
05:08:17,600 --> 05:08:21,280
>> Oh, I have a friend.

5653
05:08:21,280 --> 05:08:23,520
Actually, since we're on a breakish and

5654
05:08:23,520 --> 05:08:44,628
I also love

5655
05:08:44,638 --> 05:08:47,360
you going to be back in the morning. I

5656
05:08:47,360 --> 05:08:49,600
said I hear the big the mayor's

5657
05:08:49,600 --> 05:09:06,310
statement about staffing

5658
05:09:06,320 --> 05:09:12,310
kids from this is actually

5659
05:09:12,320 --> 05:09:16,470
That's what

5660
05:09:16,480 --> 05:09:25,190
these are

5661
05:09:25,200 --> 05:09:30,948
set up by

5662
05:09:30,958 --> 05:09:31,760
your

5663
05:09:31,760 --> 05:09:42,868
>> Thank you.

5664
05:09:42,878 --> 05:09:45,680
I think I was on

5665
05:09:45,680 --> 05:09:52,948
>> I said it was maybe my fifth birthday.

5666
05:09:52,958 --> 05:10:11,270
Halloween's a good time to have

5667
05:10:11,280 --> 05:10:12,718
» seriously

5668
05:10:12,718 --> 05:10:15,920
>> I'm going to get I'm going to get Billy.

5669
05:10:15,920 --> 05:10:22,230
>> What the heck, man?

5670
05:10:22,240 --> 05:10:23,600
You're trying to get rid of all those

5671
05:10:23,600 --> 05:10:24,718
equipment pieces.

5672
05:10:24,718 --> 05:10:26,638
>> No, this tutorial I did it the wrong

5673
05:10:26,638 --> 05:10:27,120
way.

5674
05:10:27,120 --> 05:10:28,560
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

5675
05:10:28,560 --> 05:10:32,400
>> What I said not to do was so the

5676
05:10:32,400 --> 05:10:34,400
opposite of

5677
05:10:34,400 --> 05:10:36,400
putting in there. So, we'll we'll we'll

5678
05:10:36,400 --> 05:10:41,350
discuss the capital.

5679
05:10:41,360 --> 05:10:45,190
» Okay.

5680
05:10:45,200 --> 05:10:50,320
Most of the five if I may ask because u

5681
05:10:50,320 --> 05:10:51,840
if you can walk us through the change

5682
05:10:51,840 --> 05:10:55,360
and then we um I can ask member to align

5683
05:10:55,360 --> 05:10:57,120
themselves

5684
05:10:57,120 --> 05:10:59,680
if they have any changes to go one by

5685
05:10:59,680 --> 05:11:00,160
one.

5686
05:11:00,160 --> 05:11:01,840
>> Yes, if you don't mind please. Let's say

5687
05:11:01,840 --> 05:11:03,200
starting in parks and property

5688
05:11:03,200 --> 05:11:05,520
management their recommendation was to

5689
05:11:05,520 --> 05:11:09,200
reduce the regular

5690
05:11:09,200 --> 05:11:10,958
from two.

5691
05:11:10,958 --> 05:11:12,958
the expectation took into consideration

5692
05:11:12,958 --> 05:11:16,638
comments we heard from the rail um about

5693
05:11:16,638 --> 05:11:18,878
considerations for future expenses. I

5694
05:11:18,878 --> 05:11:20,958
know this will not impact our current

5695
05:11:20,958 --> 05:11:22,718
budget but sincerely need to be more

5696
05:11:22,718 --> 05:11:26,080
intentional with capital projects ever

5697
05:11:26,080 --> 05:11:28,080
since I've been on the council. It's

5698
05:11:28,080 --> 05:11:30,638
always been interpreted as

5699
05:11:30,638 --> 05:11:32,320
the flag that works at blunt check. I

5700
05:11:32,320 --> 05:11:34,638
don't think we've ever considered it.

5701
05:11:34,638 --> 05:11:37,200
social capital projects moving forward.

5702
05:11:37,200 --> 05:11:38,480
We need to be more dependent tomorrow

5703
05:11:38,480 --> 05:11:43,440
with evaluating these in our current

5704
05:11:43,440 --> 05:11:46,320
financial states. It's we need to ensure

5705
05:11:46,320 --> 05:11:48,480
that the vehicles we are bringing down

5706
05:11:48,480 --> 05:11:52,560
reflect um future financial implications

5707
05:11:52,560 --> 05:11:57,270
on having this debt this

5708
05:11:57,280 --> 05:11:59,280
» so do you want to can we talk about them

5709
05:11:59,280 --> 05:12:01,840
as we go down Mr. Mudarin or do you want

5710
05:12:01,840 --> 05:12:03,600
to question yes

5711
05:12:03,600 --> 05:12:04,638
>> Mr. Williams.

5712
05:12:04,638 --> 05:12:05,040
>> Yes.

5713
05:12:05,040 --> 05:12:08,638
>> Um, so I just will comment um because I

5714
05:12:08,638 --> 05:12:10,320
did talk to our parks director about

5715
05:12:10,320 --> 05:12:12,560
capital and the equipment is very very

5716
05:12:12,560 --> 05:12:16,400
old uh that we have. Um and also he has

5717
05:12:16,400 --> 05:12:18,958
to do the plowing like for example over

5718
05:12:18,958 --> 05:12:20,560
at Stein. It's not just central. I mean

5719
05:12:20,560 --> 05:12:22,320
he's at the parks having to do the

5720
05:12:22,320 --> 05:12:24,878
plowing. So that one in particular I

5721
05:12:24,878 --> 05:12:28,560
think is um is actually one that he

5722
05:12:28,560 --> 05:12:30,560
mentioned to me is very very important

5723
05:12:30,560 --> 05:12:32,560
to um because it's just very old. So

5724
05:12:32,560 --> 05:12:34,240
we'd have to buy it next year maybe if

5725
05:12:34,240 --> 05:12:36,958
we don't do it this year.

5726
05:12:36,958 --> 05:12:37,920
>> Please go ahead.

5727
05:12:37,920 --> 05:12:41,280
>> So um I also had to move one of them and

5728
05:12:41,280 --> 05:12:46,080
in the 2020 um but for 2025 we um put in

5729
05:12:46,080 --> 05:12:47,760
for two

5730
05:12:47,760 --> 05:12:49,360
in additional in addition to that we

5731
05:12:49,360 --> 05:12:52,160
also had another pad crew crew had to

5732
05:12:52,160 --> 05:12:55,680
pick up file. So a total of three. I'm

5733
05:12:55,680 --> 05:12:59,520
not sure why they differentiate between

5734
05:12:59,520 --> 05:13:01,680
different type of truck, but last year's

5735
05:13:01,680 --> 05:13:04,798
budget, capital budget, um was for three

5736
05:13:04,798 --> 05:13:07,440
the purchase of three uh cab pickups

5737
05:13:07,440 --> 05:13:09,920
with plows. So I removed one in this

5738
05:13:09,920 --> 05:13:12,560
budget as well.

5739
05:13:12,560 --> 05:13:15,760
>> May I say is that is that going to be

5740
05:13:15,760 --> 05:13:17,280
delivered

5741
05:13:17,280 --> 05:13:22,320
next year? almost capital last year.

5742
05:13:22,320 --> 05:13:24,160
>> We're taking delivery bills.

5743
05:13:24,160 --> 05:13:26,718
>> We took delivery bills. So those

5744
05:13:26,718 --> 05:13:31,760
>> usually by time we get the money

5745
05:13:31,760 --> 05:13:35,520
for May, June.

5746
05:13:35,520 --> 05:13:39,360
um happen on an annual basis. Um and

5747
05:13:39,360 --> 05:13:42,160
once the orders go in

5748
05:13:42,160 --> 05:13:44,718
third, second, third, fourth quarter,

5749
05:13:44,718 --> 05:13:46,958
usually takes about a year or so before

5750
05:13:46,958 --> 05:13:49,600
you get the vehicle

5751
05:13:49,600 --> 05:13:50,560
pick up.

5752
05:13:50,560 --> 05:13:52,240
>> Yes. Garbage

5753
05:13:52,240 --> 05:13:54,240
>> pick up with the

5754
05:13:54,240 --> 05:13:58,718
>> F350 regular cab pick up with

5755
05:13:58,718 --> 05:13:59,920
depends on the vehicle.

5756
05:13:59,920 --> 05:14:00,560
>> Yeah.

5757
05:14:00,560 --> 05:14:04,638
>> Okay. garbage trucks like in Europe.

5758
05:14:04,638 --> 05:14:06,400
>> Pickup truck is different,

5759
05:14:06,400 --> 05:14:08,560
>> right? So

5760
05:14:08,560 --> 05:14:11,040
we we put these in last year. We must

5761
05:14:11,040 --> 05:14:13,040
have them now. Thanks a you get a pickup

5762
05:14:13,040 --> 05:14:14,878
truck on

5763
05:14:14,878 --> 05:14:16,480
a different dealership.

5764
05:14:16,480 --> 05:14:19,360
>> Well, some of it is not just going to a

5765
05:14:19,360 --> 05:14:21,040
dealership, but you want it on a state

5766
05:14:21,040 --> 05:14:24,798
contract for consolidated supply at the

5767
05:14:24,798 --> 05:14:28,400
best price. Some of the vehicles are

5768
05:14:28,400 --> 05:14:30,718
sold missile fleets which put down

5769
05:14:30,718 --> 05:14:32,240
cheaper.

5770
05:14:32,240 --> 05:14:35,520
It's not just going to the local dealer

5771
05:14:35,520 --> 05:14:37,680
and taking something off the lot.

5772
05:14:37,680 --> 05:14:38,798
>> So I guess

5773
05:14:38,798 --> 05:14:41,280
>> I have to ask Paul specifically and

5774
05:14:41,280 --> 05:14:43,120
>> yeah have we gotten these the ones from

5775
05:14:43,120 --> 05:14:46,000
last year?

5776
05:14:46,000 --> 05:14:48,320
>> I don't know because we've taken

5777
05:14:48,320 --> 05:14:52,070
delivery.

5778
05:14:52,080 --> 05:14:54,400
Can we uh make that put that on as a

5779
05:14:54,400 --> 05:14:57,440
question please to ask um OS

5780
05:14:57,440 --> 05:14:59,520
commissioner

5781
05:14:59,520 --> 05:15:01,360
because and I I just want to echo

5782
05:15:01,360 --> 05:15:02,958
because you know over the years we have

5783
05:15:02,958 --> 05:15:05,360
been buying equipments like pickup

5784
05:15:05,360 --> 05:15:06,718
trucks and you know all these

5785
05:15:06,718 --> 05:15:09,120
equipments. So I don't feel it's it's a

5786
05:15:09,120 --> 05:15:13,440
hard ask to delay a year. So that you

5787
05:15:13,440 --> 05:15:17,120
know we need to you know some not asking

5788
05:15:17,120 --> 05:15:20,160
for a a reduction and I'm just asking

5789
05:15:20,160 --> 05:15:23,200
for a removal of everything and to kind

5790
05:15:23,200 --> 05:15:26,160
of you know balance our finance and then

5791
05:15:26,160 --> 05:15:27,840
move forward and then continue buying

5792
05:15:27,840 --> 05:15:30,958
more equipment as we move into 2027

5793
05:15:30,958 --> 05:15:34,070
2028.

5794
05:15:34,080 --> 05:15:37,920
» Specifically for the the cat.

5795
05:15:37,920 --> 05:15:44,400
delivery for the uh capital order 2025.

5796
05:15:44,400 --> 05:15:48,560
>> It would be good to have our last year's

5797
05:15:48,560 --> 05:15:50,638
capital projects in front of you too cuz

5798
05:15:50,638 --> 05:15:52,480
I think if you reference that then you

5799
05:15:52,480 --> 05:15:55,040
know that puts us in a better position

5800
05:15:55,040 --> 05:15:56,798
to look at some of that stuff. You mean

5801
05:15:56,798 --> 05:15:58,560
our expense or

5802
05:15:58,560 --> 05:16:01,760
>> so if we bought pickup trucks last year

5803
05:16:01,760 --> 05:16:04,560
then that might change our position on

5804
05:16:04,560 --> 05:16:06,240
do we need to get the pickup truck this

5805
05:16:06,240 --> 05:16:08,798
year and having that information right

5806
05:16:08,798 --> 05:16:10,878
there readily available to to access

5807
05:16:10,878 --> 05:16:13,200
probably will be helpful as a part of

5808
05:16:13,200 --> 05:16:23,590
this conversation.

5809
05:16:23,600 --> 05:16:25,440
No, these uh these pickup truck from

5810
05:16:25,440 --> 05:16:29,040
last year. This is on the parks or

5811
05:16:29,040 --> 05:16:31,120
>> parks. This one says under parks.

5812
05:16:31,120 --> 05:16:34,160
>> Yes. So last year last year on the park

5813
05:16:34,160 --> 05:16:38,320
probably man we order two

5814
05:16:38,320 --> 05:16:40,718
>> two and then another

5815
05:16:40,718 --> 05:16:45,840
>> and then we order a two tab with flour.

5816
05:16:45,840 --> 05:16:51,910
So they combine it for a year.

5817
05:16:51,920 --> 05:16:54,160
how I can

5818
05:16:54,160 --> 05:16:57,590
purchase any

5819
05:16:57,600 --> 05:17:00,788
problem.

5820
05:17:00,798 --> 05:17:06,788
» So yes, we last year. Yes. So if you com

5821
05:17:06,798 --> 05:17:08,480
could you print out last year's capital

5822
05:17:08,480 --> 05:17:09,360
for us, man.

5823
05:17:09,360 --> 05:17:09,760
>> Yes.

5824
05:17:09,760 --> 05:17:14,868
>> Yeah. Therefore, just for reference.

5825
05:17:14,878 --> 05:17:18,000
» Okay. So that's why you know

5826
05:17:18,000 --> 05:17:21,600
we always keep ordering machine and

5827
05:17:21,600 --> 05:17:24,480
vehicle

5828
05:17:24,480 --> 05:17:28,080
>> and mine was to the wrong on that line

5829
05:17:28,080 --> 05:17:30,878
the changes under me were the only

5830
05:17:30,878 --> 05:17:33,680
change was the total

5831
05:17:33,680 --> 05:17:36,560
that in that line so I did I did cut

5832
05:17:36,560 --> 05:17:37,920
down on

5833
05:17:37,920 --> 05:17:46,070
>> so pickup truck see the 70,000

5834
05:17:46,080 --> 05:17:49,040
Do you want to save it as?

5835
05:17:49,040 --> 05:17:50,080
>> Yeah.

5836
05:17:50,080 --> 05:17:56,948
>> Oh, you're on this now, right? No. Here.

5837
05:17:56,958 --> 05:17:59,200
» It's pretty good. I believe that's

5838
05:17:59,200 --> 05:18:05,190
>> Yes.

5839
05:18:05,200 --> 05:18:08,878
I mean, look at what we ordered.

5840
05:18:08,878 --> 05:18:12,560
We had budgeted sorry for 2025

5841
05:18:12,560 --> 05:18:14,240
>> 241,000.

5842
05:18:14,240 --> 05:18:14,878
>> Yes.

5843
05:18:14,878 --> 05:18:17,680
>> For parts as opposed to

5844
05:18:17,680 --> 05:18:19,440
>> I will be I would be comfortable to

5845
05:18:19,440 --> 05:18:23,200
align with um dropping one this year and

5846
05:18:23,200 --> 05:18:26,480
hopefully we can um

5847
05:18:26,480 --> 05:18:29,200
add that back in 2026

5848
05:18:29,200 --> 05:18:34,390
for 2027.

5849
05:18:34,400 --> 05:18:38,240
» I'll be comfortable with that.

5850
05:18:38,240 --> 05:18:40,718
Oh, our next one is a ground master

5851
05:18:40,718 --> 05:18:43,440
mower

5852
05:18:43,440 --> 05:18:46,000
to flip it out. He's the only person.

5853
05:18:46,000 --> 05:18:48,798
>> Yeah, the only thing I had was minus one

5854
05:18:48,798 --> 05:18:50,480
pickup truck. The rest

5855
05:18:50,480 --> 05:18:53,200
>> I'm on. We're on the ground master now

5856
05:18:53,200 --> 05:18:55,680
for 105. And it looks like you removed

5857
05:18:55,680 --> 05:18:57,200
it.

5858
05:18:57,200 --> 05:18:58,958
>> All those changes crossed them out. The

5859
05:18:58,958 --> 05:19:01,600
only changing parts is I asked them to

5860
05:19:01,600 --> 05:19:02,240
do that.

5861
05:19:02,240 --> 05:19:04,000
>> You want to go back?

5862
05:19:04,000 --> 05:19:06,320
>> Four times ago and it never came out. So

5863
05:19:06,320 --> 05:19:08,240
only one cap.

5864
05:19:08,240 --> 05:19:12,470
only one capture.

5865
05:19:12,480 --> 05:19:14,798
» I mean, I think it's listening to Mr.

5866
05:19:14,798 --> 05:19:16,798
Mistake is extremely important the way

5867
05:19:16,798 --> 05:19:18,560
we maintain our

5868
05:19:18,560 --> 05:19:21,760
>> A diamond, C diamond, B diamond, you

5869
05:19:21,760 --> 05:19:23,280
know, in our home park. So, I think

5870
05:19:23,280 --> 05:19:24,718
those things are

5871
05:19:24,718 --> 05:19:25,440
>> with the more

5872
05:19:25,440 --> 05:19:26,878
>> Yeah, maintenance is extremely

5873
05:19:26,878 --> 05:19:29,280
important.

5874
05:19:29,280 --> 05:19:32,080
>> Much bigger fields that we're that we're

5875
05:19:32,080 --> 05:19:34,160
maintaining.

5876
05:19:34,160 --> 05:19:39,600
>> Mr. Somebody just moved to the next one.

5877
05:19:39,600 --> 05:19:43,440
>> Collection is reducing the number

5878
05:19:43,440 --> 05:19:46,878
practice from two to one. Now is a good

5879
05:19:46,878 --> 05:19:51,680
point to kind of um remind the council

5880
05:19:51,680 --> 05:19:54,240
of the mayor's previous comments about I

5881
05:19:54,240 --> 05:19:57,120
understand the cycle of

5882
05:19:57,120 --> 05:19:59,760
bringing the vehicles vehicles in and

5883
05:19:59,760 --> 05:20:02,160
old vehicles out if we are going to make

5884
05:20:02,160 --> 05:20:04,240
these determinations as we're continuing

5885
05:20:04,240 --> 05:20:06,638
on our conversations understanding that

5886
05:20:06,638 --> 05:20:09,040
there will be a cost specifically to

5887
05:20:09,040 --> 05:20:11,280
maintain those vehicles. I think also

5888
05:20:11,280 --> 05:20:14,000
part of it is just approach.

5889
05:20:14,000 --> 05:20:16,560
I think we can be intentional with just

5890
05:20:16,560 --> 05:20:21,440
access and then servicing not

5891
05:20:21,440 --> 05:20:23,040
continue on this path at least for this

5892
05:20:23,040 --> 05:20:25,520
year. But I did want to just highlight

5893
05:20:25,520 --> 05:20:27,360
that as a consideration. We need to make

5894
05:20:27,360 --> 05:20:37,670
sure we're into account

5895
05:20:37,680 --> 05:20:39,280
» discussion on this. I also

5896
05:20:39,280 --> 05:20:41,440
>> this is the annual

5897
05:20:41,440 --> 05:20:43,360
>> and I did last year what you purchased

5898
05:20:43,360 --> 05:20:47,270
too

5899
05:20:47,280 --> 05:20:49,680
and this is

5900
05:20:49,680 --> 05:20:52,000
the share one.

5901
05:20:52,000 --> 05:20:53,920
>> Yeah, he he definitely mentioned buying

5902
05:20:53,920 --> 05:20:56,718
two per year when he presented to us

5903
05:20:56,718 --> 05:20:58,240
>> and we don't get them for a couple of

5904
05:20:58,240 --> 05:21:00,320
years, right?

5905
05:21:00,320 --> 05:21:01,600
>> I didn't write a note on that.

5906
05:21:01,600 --> 05:21:04,160
>> No, I'm sorry.

5907
05:21:04,160 --> 05:21:07,120
These are at least the only

5908
05:21:07,120 --> 05:21:27,510
we get them um usually they're model.

5909
05:21:27,520 --> 05:21:31,750
» Okay.

5910
05:21:31,760 --> 05:21:40,150
Safari myself um

5911
05:21:40,160 --> 05:21:43,280
with Patrick you what's your position on

5912
05:21:43,280 --> 05:21:44,160
this

5913
05:21:44,160 --> 05:21:45,600
>> on the real load packet?

5914
05:21:45,600 --> 05:21:46,638
>> Yes.

5915
05:21:46,638 --> 05:21:50,320
>> I mean if you want to just get one

5916
05:21:50,320 --> 05:21:52,798
that's okay. Again we're this is going

5917
05:21:52,798 --> 05:21:54,878
to be influencing next year's

5918
05:21:54,878 --> 05:21:55,920
>> Yes. So

5919
05:21:55,920 --> 05:22:03,350
>> I I I'm okay with um with keeping one

5920
05:22:03,360 --> 05:22:05,920
» unless we want to go back to Mr. Leond

5921
05:22:05,920 --> 05:22:06,718
and

5922
05:22:06,718 --> 05:22:08,878
>> you know

5923
05:22:08,878 --> 05:22:10,878
I'm on track for two please.

5924
05:22:10,878 --> 05:22:11,520
>> Yeah

5925
05:22:11,520 --> 05:22:13,280
>> only because when they break down

5926
05:22:13,280 --> 05:22:15,920
>> Yeah. I mean it's going to affect

5927
05:22:15,920 --> 05:22:17,600
a lot of stuff from the city if we don't

5928
05:22:17,600 --> 05:22:21,520
have enough place garbage trucks.

5929
05:22:21,520 --> 05:22:24,878
Okay. So I'll stay with two.

5930
05:22:24,878 --> 05:22:28,240
Oh, currently the guy picked up the the

5931
05:22:28,240 --> 05:22:36,868
trucks.

5932
05:22:36,878 --> 05:22:39,360
» Yeah, my thought, you know,

5933
05:22:39,360 --> 05:22:42,638
as we in as increasing

5934
05:22:42,638 --> 05:22:44,160
fees for people, I want to make sure

5935
05:22:44,160 --> 05:22:48,230
that we're

5936
05:22:48,240 --> 05:22:50,240
that it shows up in the service that

5937
05:22:50,240 --> 05:22:52,480
they're getting. Um,

5938
05:22:52,480 --> 05:22:56,000
>> thank you. That's

5939
05:22:56,000 --> 05:23:00,230
Thank you.

5940
05:23:00,240 --> 05:23:14,550
» Mr. McLast,

5941
05:23:14,560 --> 05:23:19,910
» did we actually buy

5942
05:23:19,920 --> 05:23:20,638
a general fun?

5943
05:23:20,638 --> 05:23:22,878
>> So, we did have two last year.

5944
05:23:22,878 --> 05:23:24,638
How many did we take out of service? Did

5945
05:23:24,638 --> 05:23:27,280
we I think we take two out.

5946
05:23:27,280 --> 05:23:31,030
>> They sell them sometimes.

5947
05:23:31,040 --> 05:23:33,440
» Speaking of Mr. MC, I think basically

5948
05:23:33,440 --> 05:23:35,680
because I did ask specifically about

5949
05:23:35,680 --> 05:23:37,360
parks when before we started the whole

5950
05:23:37,360 --> 05:23:40,878
budget process when we first got

5951
05:23:40,878 --> 05:23:42,958
>> Oh, you're on trash.

5952
05:23:42,958 --> 05:23:45,840
>> I'm sorry. I thought you do with parks.

5953
05:23:45,840 --> 05:23:48,560
>> Yeah. No, sorry. I thought you were not.

5954
05:23:48,560 --> 05:23:49,200
>> No, it's okay.

5955
05:23:49,200 --> 05:23:51,040
>> I guess I guess the question is how many

5956
05:23:51,040 --> 05:23:52,638
do we have? How many does he like to

5957
05:23:52,638 --> 05:23:56,000
keep in stock or keep running? Um I

5958
05:23:56,000 --> 05:23:58,320
thought he mentioned that sometimes he

5959
05:23:58,320 --> 05:24:02,718
sells to other municipalities.

5960
05:24:02,718 --> 05:24:05,840
>> I guess how many I'm comfortable keeping

5961
05:24:05,840 --> 05:24:06,718
two.

5962
05:24:06,718 --> 05:24:07,520
>> Okay.

5963
05:24:07,520 --> 05:24:13,030
>> But that's the end of my statement.

5964
05:24:13,040 --> 05:24:14,638
» I'd like to go with the two.

5965
05:24:14,638 --> 05:24:17,750
>> Okay.

5966
05:24:17,760 --> 05:24:19,760
» Yeah. See

5967
05:24:19,760 --> 05:24:22,000
you.

5968
05:24:22,000 --> 05:24:25,990
So far,

5969
05:24:26,000 --> 05:24:28,878
» I can support the tool

5970
05:24:28,878 --> 05:24:36,470
for increasing fees.

5971
05:24:36,480 --> 05:24:41,280
» Okay, let's keep going. Um, smart build

5972
05:24:41,280 --> 05:24:43,840
upgrade.

5973
05:24:43,840 --> 05:24:45,920
My consideration for that is talking

5974
05:24:45,920 --> 05:24:48,320
about the pay of investments

5975
05:24:48,320 --> 05:24:49,760
and the financial nature that we're

5976
05:24:49,760 --> 05:24:51,760
going to be addressing

5977
05:24:51,760 --> 05:24:56,160
and trying to consider words. Uh and

5978
05:24:56,160 --> 05:24:57,760
these funds that we put out there are

5979
05:24:57,760 --> 05:25:00,798
community challenges of anyone.

5980
05:25:00,798 --> 05:25:02,400
I think we're highlighting the issues

5981
05:25:02,400 --> 05:25:03,760
that we've been experiencing at Kings

5982
05:25:03,760 --> 05:25:06,798
Road. I understand that this will as

5983
05:25:06,798 --> 05:25:09,200
specifically help promote safety. I

5984
05:25:09,200 --> 05:25:10,878
think we're trying to help ensure the

5985
05:25:10,878 --> 05:25:12,878
tax burden doesn't push people out of

5986
05:25:12,878 --> 05:25:16,160
the city or have people making very

5987
05:25:16,160 --> 05:25:18,958
difficult financial considerations. I

5988
05:25:18,958 --> 05:25:21,280
don't disagree with the importance of

5989
05:25:21,280 --> 05:25:23,360
it. I'm saying we can absolutely

5990
05:25:23,360 --> 05:25:26,798
consider a job.

5991
05:25:26,798 --> 05:25:29,440
I I was of the same thought. I I'm

5992
05:25:29,440 --> 05:25:31,040
thinking you guys correct me if I'm

5993
05:25:31,040 --> 05:25:33,360
wrong that this is our like there's a

5994
05:25:33,360 --> 05:25:35,840
grant that's tied to this.

5995
05:25:35,840 --> 05:25:37,200
>> Correct.

5996
05:25:37,200 --> 05:25:37,600
>> No.

5997
05:25:37,600 --> 05:25:40,000
So, so we don't have so we don't

5998
05:25:40,000 --> 05:25:42,080
need to. Okay.

5999
05:25:42,080 --> 05:25:44,080
>> All right. Then yeah, then I would rely

6000
05:25:44,080 --> 05:25:46,080
on Mr. Williams on that.

6001
05:25:46,080 --> 05:25:48,958
>> May would

6002
05:25:48,958 --> 05:25:52,958
this fall on the credit from the state

6003
05:25:52,958 --> 05:25:55,120
available?

6004
05:25:55,120 --> 05:25:57,840
>> The grant is going to expand the network

6005
05:25:57,840 --> 05:26:01,120
into Belleview. This will replace the

6006
05:26:01,120 --> 05:26:05,840
nodes in downtown go Central State

6007
05:26:05,840 --> 05:26:07,760
Street, Hamilton.

6008
05:26:07,760 --> 05:26:07,920
If

6009
05:26:07,920 --> 05:26:10,638
>> we don't update those, the police

6010
05:26:10,638 --> 05:26:14,080
overtime is going to go up. This network

6011
05:26:14,080 --> 05:26:18,160
and the camera data provides that

6012
05:26:18,160 --> 05:26:20,160
support level of deterrence and

6013
05:26:20,160 --> 05:26:21,840
documentation

6014
05:26:21,840 --> 05:26:24,240
of criminal activity plus the traffic

6015
05:26:24,240 --> 05:26:27,200
counts

6016
05:26:27,200 --> 05:26:29,520
and other things and it's very

6017
05:26:29,520 --> 05:26:34,868
shortsighted to look

6018
05:26:34,878 --> 05:26:37,200
if I can respond to that. So those in

6019
05:26:37,200 --> 05:26:39,200
place are they functioning or are we

6020
05:26:39,200 --> 05:26:42,400
trying to upgrade their functionality?

6021
05:26:42,400 --> 05:26:45,360
>> They're the end of their useful life and

6022
05:26:45,360 --> 05:26:47,680
some components within it are not

6023
05:26:47,680 --> 05:26:50,638
supported on the platform.

6024
05:26:50,638 --> 05:26:52,878
>> So I just asked what's their end of

6025
05:26:52,878 --> 05:26:55,280
shelf life then if that's not an issue

6026
05:26:55,280 --> 05:26:58,878
then we should put it on here.

6027
05:26:58,878 --> 05:27:03,360
So yeah, and uh what is it? M live

6028
05:27:03,360 --> 05:27:06,638
>> shelf life.

6029
05:27:06,638 --> 05:27:08,240
What do you want to say or can we follow

6030
05:27:08,240 --> 05:27:09,120
up with that?

6031
05:27:09,120 --> 05:27:16,160
>> I think I made my position clear as some

6032
05:27:16,160 --> 05:27:18,958
can follow up on an

6033
05:27:18,958 --> 05:27:24,548
uh fiction.

6034
05:27:24,558 --> 05:27:26,958
This is the PD or it what they will

6035
05:27:26,958 --> 05:27:28,558
consist it

6036
05:27:28,558 --> 05:27:30,320
>> PD

6037
05:27:30,320 --> 05:27:31,520
it supports.

6038
05:27:31,520 --> 05:27:35,200
>> So how do you tell these um

6039
05:27:35,200 --> 05:27:38,708
Mr.

6040
05:27:38,718 --> 05:27:39,920
If you don't mind, you just want to

6041
05:27:39,920 --> 05:27:42,240
repeat that you just so we can get that

6042
05:27:42,240 --> 05:27:43,840
question

6043
05:27:43,840 --> 05:27:48,480
live or to point these are

6044
05:27:48,480 --> 05:27:50,320
differential increases to the

6045
05:27:50,320 --> 05:27:54,000
functionality of smart node features. Um

6046
05:27:54,000 --> 05:27:57,120
want to get clarification of the

6047
05:27:57,120 --> 05:27:59,520
individual

6048
05:27:59,520 --> 05:27:59,920
life.

6049
05:27:59,920 --> 05:28:03,360
>> Yes. Yes. U Thank you. because the data

6050
05:28:03,360 --> 05:28:04,958
is definitely going to be important as

6051
05:28:04,958 --> 05:28:07,200
we continue to try to figure out traffic

6052
05:28:07,200 --> 05:28:11,280
caling um situations

6053
05:28:11,280 --> 05:28:15,840
measures I guess situations. So again it

6054
05:28:15,840 --> 05:28:18,638
ended up there to take it out but under

6055
05:28:18,638 --> 05:28:21,280
like Mr. making my notes, it was

6056
05:28:21,280 --> 05:28:23,600
mustave, promote safety,

6057
05:28:23,600 --> 05:28:28,638
>> important for city. So, um I I would be

6058
05:28:28,638 --> 05:28:32,558
in favor of leaving it in there.

6059
05:28:32,558 --> 05:28:34,480
>> And you would also add one install if

6060
05:28:34,480 --> 05:28:38,080
that helps the decision process.

6061
05:28:38,080 --> 05:28:40,878
>> Thank you.

6062
05:28:40,878 --> 05:28:44,320
>> We can look at 2025.

6063
05:28:44,320 --> 05:28:46,000
There wasn't anything.

6064
05:28:46,000 --> 05:28:48,400
>> No, not for smartphone.

6065
05:28:48,400 --> 05:28:49,280
Oh,

6066
05:28:49,280 --> 05:28:49,920
>> what?

6067
05:28:49,920 --> 05:28:52,798
>> We're talking about um

6068
05:28:52,798 --> 05:28:54,080
>> what are you?

6069
05:28:54,080 --> 05:28:54,558
>> Police.

6070
05:28:54,558 --> 05:28:55,440
>> Oh, you're on police.

6071
05:28:55,440 --> 05:28:57,120
>> SUVs.

6072
05:28:57,120 --> 05:28:59,840
>> For some reason, I had cut one SUV and

6073
05:28:59,840 --> 05:29:02,000
one unlocked.

6074
05:29:02,000 --> 05:29:04,000
>> Let me look at my notes.

6075
05:29:04,000 --> 05:29:05,440
>> And somehow it came for that amount of

6076
05:29:05,440 --> 05:29:06,718
money. that that might have been based

6077
05:29:06,718 --> 05:29:08,718
on the conversation that the chief said

6078
05:29:08,718 --> 05:29:10,798
if I remember correctly he said that

6079
05:29:10,798 --> 05:29:13,040
they'd like to have them but we they

6080
05:29:13,040 --> 05:29:14,718
would work with you know yes

6081
05:29:14,718 --> 05:29:16,558
>> our recommendation so that's what we

6082
05:29:16,558 --> 05:29:16,958
said that

6083
05:29:16,958 --> 05:29:19,520
>> they were not pulling to us the

6084
05:29:19,520 --> 05:29:20,480
reduction

6085
05:29:20,480 --> 05:29:23,200
>> on the vehicles except for the evidence

6086
05:29:23,200 --> 05:29:26,080
>> yeah the evidence storage is essential

6087
05:29:26,080 --> 05:29:29,200
>> I'm go back to the evidence car

6088
05:29:29,200 --> 05:29:42,390
>> yeah let's stay with the car

6089
05:29:42,400 --> 05:29:45,360
So last year in terms of the police

6090
05:29:45,360 --> 05:29:47,440
department and the vehicle that we got

6091
05:29:47,440 --> 05:29:51,040
purchased, there were two SUVs, three

6092
05:29:51,040 --> 05:29:55,520
hybrid sedans, and three hybrid vans.

6093
05:29:55,520 --> 05:30:00,948
>> So

6094
05:30:00,958 --> 05:30:03,040
Um,

6095
05:30:03,040 --> 05:30:05,840
but um,

6096
05:30:05,840 --> 05:30:08,958
why would we do the SUV

6097
05:30:08,958 --> 05:30:19,990
in an unmarked car?

6098
05:30:20,000 --> 05:30:23,520
» Would that align us to 4:15?

6099
05:30:23,520 --> 05:30:25,360
Yeah.

6100
05:30:25,360 --> 05:30:29,350
One at one.

6101
05:30:29,360 --> 05:30:40,470
Mr.

6102
05:30:40,480 --> 05:30:45,590
» Yeah, I don't have a problem.

6103
05:30:45,600 --> 05:30:48,320
U

6104
05:30:48,320 --> 05:30:49,680
look, I'm looking at the wrong color.

6105
05:30:49,680 --> 05:30:55,430
Sorry.

6106
05:30:55,440 --> 05:30:58,798
» Those you Were

6107
05:30:58,798 --> 05:31:00,798
you doing one reduction in SUV, one

6108
05:31:00,798 --> 05:31:08,150
reduction in

6109
05:31:08,160 --> 05:31:18,470
the vehicles by half?

6110
05:31:18,480 --> 05:31:19,680
» There's one thing that we don't have

6111
05:31:19,680 --> 05:31:21,920
clear information on. This is grouped.

6112
05:31:21,920 --> 05:31:24,080
It's all the vehicles. So I we all know

6113
05:31:24,080 --> 05:31:26,558
the cost of the SUV versus the evidence

6114
05:31:26,558 --> 05:31:35,110
car versus the unmarked cars.

6115
05:31:35,120 --> 05:31:40,628
It's cut off.

6116
05:31:40,638 --> 05:31:44,400
» It's all cut off, but it's

6117
05:31:44,400 --> 05:31:45,120
actually

6118
05:31:45,120 --> 05:31:46,080
>> okay.

6119
05:31:46,080 --> 05:31:51,990
>> 50 mark,

6120
05:31:52,000 --> 05:31:53,760
but that those are the figures. I don't

6121
05:31:53,760 --> 05:31:56,320
know which one for

6122
05:31:56,320 --> 05:31:59,280
it is in our capital. Right.

6123
05:31:59,280 --> 05:32:01,520
>> So, we need to know exactly if we're

6124
05:32:01,520 --> 05:32:03,600
changing and removing vehicles, how much

6125
05:32:03,600 --> 05:32:05,360
we need to actually

6126
05:32:05,360 --> 05:32:12,470
>> remove based on the cost of the vehicle.

6127
05:32:12,480 --> 05:32:14,958
My follow is if we're not going to even

6128
05:32:14,958 --> 05:32:19,040
have the discussion of evaluating

6129
05:32:19,040 --> 05:32:20,878
these higher department funding, which

6130
05:32:20,878 --> 05:32:23,280
is one of the larger contri

6131
05:32:23,280 --> 05:32:25,680
contributions we currently are. I think

6132
05:32:25,680 --> 05:32:29,120
it's very reasonable to say driving

6133
05:32:29,120 --> 05:32:34,470
vehicles for a little longer.

6134
05:32:34,480 --> 05:32:36,638
» I think their original need was 13

6135
05:32:36,638 --> 05:32:39,120
vehicles, but in hearing their budget um

6136
05:32:39,120 --> 05:32:41,600
at the request that the departments had,

6137
05:32:41,600 --> 05:32:43,280
they went down to nine vehicles that

6138
05:32:43,280 --> 05:32:46,080
they asked for or they ended up with in

6139
05:32:46,080 --> 05:32:48,638
this budget. But they basically

6140
05:32:48,638 --> 05:32:50,000
essentially said everything they needed

6141
05:32:50,000 --> 05:32:57,750
for team vehicles,

6142
05:32:57,760 --> 05:33:00,638
» but at the same time they did mention in

6143
05:33:00,638 --> 05:33:02,400
order to make any adjustment.

6144
05:33:02,400 --> 05:33:02,798
>> Yes,

6145
05:33:02,798 --> 05:33:04,958
>> they can continue to use the vehicle

6146
05:33:04,958 --> 05:33:06,480
that they have.

6147
05:33:06,480 --> 05:33:07,600
>> They did say that

6148
05:33:07,600 --> 05:33:13,200
>> until it's not like they they have to get it. They can do as much as

6149
05:33:13,200 --> 05:33:15,360
they can with until the next year.

6150
05:33:15,360 --> 05:33:17,120
>> Yeah. The distinction that needs to be

6151
05:33:17,120 --> 05:33:20,798
made is like so if we're talking about

6152
05:33:20,798 --> 05:33:24,798
you have a S you have a S uh you right

6153
05:33:24,798 --> 05:33:29,280
now that's running and you would like a

6154
05:33:29,280 --> 05:33:31,680
newer one. There's a difference between

6155
05:33:31,680 --> 05:33:34,480
replacing that and I'm I'm

6156
05:33:34,480 --> 05:33:36,558
leaning into definitely holding off on

6157
05:33:36,558 --> 05:33:38,400
replacing existing vehicles that are

6158
05:33:38,400 --> 05:33:40,798
functioning. Um, but and then the

6159
05:33:40,798 --> 05:33:42,718
distinction would be like the evidence

6160
05:33:42,718 --> 05:33:44,638
vehicle I think is something that we're

6161
05:33:44,638 --> 05:33:46,400
all saying like they need that, right?

6162
05:33:46,400 --> 05:33:47,760
We're all saying we that because that's

6163
05:33:47,760 --> 05:33:48,798
not something I think that they're

6164
05:33:48,798 --> 05:33:50,798
necessarily replacing just based on what

6165
05:33:50,798 --> 05:33:54,558
I remember the conversation was. So if

6166
05:33:54,558 --> 05:33:56,878
we're saying we want to buy that, we

6167
05:33:56,878 --> 05:33:59,680
don't need to purchase this.

6168
05:33:59,680 --> 05:34:01,200
The conversation is different when there

6169
05:34:01,200 --> 05:34:03,200
is something a vehicle that's existing

6170
05:34:03,200 --> 05:34:06,000
and functioning right now.

6171
05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:07,760
It's not the same level of urgency, I

6172
05:34:07,760 --> 05:34:10,718
would say. And that's where all of the

6173
05:34:10,718 --> 05:34:14,400
departments that we're looking at.

6174
05:34:14,400 --> 05:34:22,310
>> Mr. 273,000

6175
05:34:22,320 --> 05:34:26,310
is 133

6176
05:34:26,320 --> 05:34:33,590
» 131. Yeah.

6177
05:34:33,600 --> 05:34:34,798
But we don't know if those numbers are

6178
05:34:34,798 --> 05:34:38,400
right until we find out if that's

6179
05:34:38,400 --> 05:34:42,240
pretty clear. Um

6180
05:34:42,240 --> 05:34:45,120
being a cheap and what the cost of that

6181
05:34:45,120 --> 05:34:45,760
is

6182
05:34:45,760 --> 05:34:54,548
>> right.

6183
05:34:54,558 --> 05:34:59,200
So can can we get that uh as a as a as a

6184
05:34:59,200 --> 05:35:01,280
question

6185
05:35:01,280 --> 05:35:03,520
the cost breakdown

6186
05:35:03,520 --> 05:35:05,120
just

6187
05:35:05,120 --> 05:35:06,958
but you don't know which

6188
05:35:06,958 --> 05:35:08,480
>> correct

6189
05:35:08,480 --> 05:35:10,718
>> so uh we can we can put that as a

6190
05:35:10,718 --> 05:35:15,120
question break down for the

6191
05:35:15,120 --> 05:35:18,708
vehicle.

6192
05:35:18,718 --> 05:35:21,360
All right, let's uh move. Okay, we can

6193
05:35:21,360 --> 05:35:29,110
move uh here. Evidence storage.

6194
05:35:29,120 --> 05:35:30,878
Um

6195
05:35:30,878 --> 05:35:33,040
in this case, they mentioned that every

6196
05:35:33,040 --> 05:35:35,040
single as piece of their storage is

6197
05:35:35,040 --> 05:35:36,400
already filled.

6198
05:35:36,400 --> 05:35:40,240
>> Um including uh they needed the freezer,

6199
05:35:40,240 --> 05:35:43,440
the HVAC were completely out of space.

6200
05:35:43,440 --> 05:35:46,400
um the retention

6201
05:35:46,400 --> 05:35:48,798
they can't get rid of evidence because

6202
05:35:48,798 --> 05:35:51,600
they have to align with retention rates

6203
05:35:51,600 --> 05:35:54,718
that must be like a state federal

6204
05:35:54,718 --> 05:35:56,798
>> new law they have no

6205
05:35:56,798 --> 05:35:59,360
>> longer so they they absolutely said the

6206
05:35:59,360 --> 05:36:01,360
evidence storage

6207
05:36:01,360 --> 05:36:02,558
was essential

6208
05:36:02,558 --> 05:36:03,200
>> we all agree

6209
05:36:03,200 --> 05:36:06,400
>> I'm going to respectfully ask us

6210
05:36:06,400 --> 05:36:08,718
this and cut this

6211
05:36:08,718 --> 05:36:10,878
>> yeah I think we all

6212
05:36:10,878 --> 05:36:15,590
have this additional

6213
05:36:15,600 --> 05:36:19,590
that

6214
05:36:19,600 --> 05:36:21,200
» even chief was talking about I don't

6215
05:36:21,200 --> 05:36:22,638
know if it was the mayor would have

6216
05:36:22,638 --> 05:36:25,760
these units that they can put out the of

6217
05:36:25,760 --> 05:36:29,200
the police station with storage so it

6218
05:36:29,200 --> 05:36:30,798
won't take up room in a parking lot or

6219
05:36:30,798 --> 05:36:33,040
whatever and maybe eventually when that

6220
05:36:33,040 --> 05:36:34,958
fills up finding an actual building

6221
05:36:34,958 --> 05:36:36,958
where things might be able to go but

6222
05:36:36,958 --> 05:36:38,638
this I think it's a good idea.

6223
05:36:38,638 --> 05:36:40,400
>> Yeah. The next the next item is on

6224
05:36:40,400 --> 05:36:44,718
regular streets regular pick up um with

6225
05:36:44,718 --> 05:36:48,320
cloud tool

6226
05:36:48,320 --> 05:36:52,708
recommendation here if

6227
05:36:52,718 --> 05:36:56,558
one I'm going to do and I'm going to

6228
05:36:56,558 --> 05:37:13,270
answer it to one

6229
05:37:13,280 --> 05:37:16,878
Not small but I I I couldn't decrease

6230
05:37:16,878 --> 05:37:19,200
that. Knowing all the small streets that

6231
05:37:19,200 --> 05:37:19,920
they get on

6232
05:37:19,920 --> 05:37:22,638
>> these are regular cab

6233
05:37:22,638 --> 05:37:23,840
two

6234
05:37:23,840 --> 05:37:28,868
>> last year.

6235
05:37:28,878 --> 05:37:32,000
» They spent 1.33

6236
05:37:32,000 --> 05:37:34,400
million last year and they're asking for

6237
05:37:34,400 --> 05:37:36,958
52 525 this year. They're different

6238
05:37:36,958 --> 05:37:37,680
trucks.

6239
05:37:37,680 --> 05:37:39,360
>> No, I'm just saying I'm looking at the

6240
05:37:39,360 --> 05:37:40,878
total

6241
05:37:40,878 --> 05:37:41,200
capital.

6242
05:37:41,200 --> 05:37:42,878
>> I think the importance of smaller trucks

6243
05:37:42,878 --> 05:37:45,120
in the city and that might even cut down

6244
05:37:45,120 --> 05:37:47,200
on who we

6245
05:37:47,200 --> 05:37:48,160
>> Oh,

6246
05:37:48,160 --> 05:37:49,840
>> yeah. Well, then if you look at the year

6247
05:37:49,840 --> 05:37:52,240
before, I can recall that we did order

6248
05:37:52,240 --> 05:37:55,920
these small um small size um truck

6249
05:37:55,920 --> 05:37:56,320
beating

6250
05:37:56,320 --> 05:37:59,520
>> because we had we had issues with um a

6251
05:37:59,520 --> 05:38:01,120
larger truck can't pass through the

6252
05:38:01,120 --> 05:38:02,240
small street

6253
05:38:02,240 --> 05:38:05,920
>> and then they were they were funding to

6254
05:38:05,920 --> 05:38:07,680
buy a small um

6255
05:38:07,680 --> 05:38:10,708
>> size.

6256
05:38:10,718 --> 05:38:16,868
So a year or two ago, yes, we did.

6257
05:38:16,878 --> 05:38:18,958
Just going back to the uh these

6258
05:38:18,958 --> 05:38:26,868
vehicles, I have the numbers council.

6259
05:38:26,878 --> 05:38:30,320
» So 78k for SUVs,

6260
05:38:30,320 --> 05:38:31,120
>> 70

6261
05:38:31,120 --> 05:38:32,958
>> 78K for SUVs.

6262
05:38:32,958 --> 05:38:34,000
>> Mhm.

6263
05:38:34,000 --> 05:38:35,600
>> 63

6264
05:38:35,600 --> 05:38:38,080
for these vehicle,

6265
05:38:38,080 --> 05:38:41,200
>> 53 for the unmarked,

6266
05:38:41,200 --> 05:38:43,440
and then the parking was 37. Yeah,

6267
05:38:43,440 --> 05:39:20,708
>> that's still 31.

6268
05:39:20,718 --> 05:39:24,080
So engineering

6269
05:39:24,080 --> 05:39:32,230
So there's two in streets.

6270
05:39:32,240 --> 05:39:34,240
» Any other any other suggestion in

6271
05:39:34,240 --> 05:39:36,958
regards to the regular care pickup with

6272
05:39:36,958 --> 05:39:42,310
on the streets?

6273
05:39:42,320 --> 05:39:48,320
» Well, I do have a question. And so we're talking about purchasing them on

6274
05:39:48,320 --> 05:39:53,280
something under parts or one parts

6275
05:39:53,280 --> 05:39:54,958
main.

6276
05:39:54,958 --> 05:40:02,150
Do they share them ever?

6277
05:40:02,160 --> 05:40:15,030
» I believe so.

6278
05:40:15,040 --> 05:40:20,470
In that case, I could reduce it to

6279
05:40:20,480 --> 05:40:22,798
» I can follow that logic.

6280
05:40:22,798 --> 05:40:27,990
>> The snowpl

6281
05:40:28,000 --> 05:40:29,680
supposed to be a really bad winter this

6282
05:40:29,680 --> 05:40:30,240
winter, but

6283
05:40:30,240 --> 05:40:32,718
>> Oh, that's this winter actually. Maybe

6284
05:40:32,718 --> 05:40:36,480
next winter it won't be a bad winter.

6285
05:40:36,480 --> 05:40:38,638
>> So, all we need is not promal streets of

6286
05:40:38,638 --> 05:40:40,638
snow.

6287
05:40:40,638 --> 05:40:43,680
That would get us nice phone calls.

6288
05:40:43,680 --> 05:40:45,520
>> These are small.

6289
05:40:45,520 --> 05:40:46,798
>> Oh, I thought they were I thought they

6290
05:40:46,798 --> 05:40:48,080
were with a bomb.

6291
05:40:48,080 --> 05:40:52,628
>> No,

6292
05:40:52,638 --> 05:40:54,558
» we don't.

6293
05:40:54,558 --> 05:40:56,080
>> It's totally different in terms of the

6294
05:40:56,080 --> 05:40:56,638
bigger truck.

6295
05:40:56,638 --> 05:40:57,920
>> It's not a snow plow. Got it.

6296
05:40:57,920 --> 05:41:01,760
>> It is not. It flows small section or

6297
05:41:01,760 --> 05:41:03,440
small street that is hard for the big

6298
05:41:03,440 --> 05:41:04,798
trucks

6299
05:41:04,798 --> 05:41:07,920
>> like the stockade probably would have

6300
05:41:07,920 --> 05:41:10,638
need a smaller a smaller snow plow

6301
05:41:10,638 --> 05:41:11,680
stockade.

6302
05:41:11,680 --> 05:41:13,280
>> Well, we have been buying these over the

6303
05:41:13,280 --> 05:41:22,628
years.

6304
05:41:22,638 --> 05:41:24,558
I'm sticking with two. Yes. Thank you.

6305
05:41:24,558 --> 05:41:30,708
>> I just want to

6306
05:41:30,718 --> 05:41:32,400
» I'll stick I'll stick with two. Yeah.

6307
05:41:32,400 --> 05:41:36,638
>> Okay. All right. Let's move on. Next.

6308
05:41:36,638 --> 05:41:40,868
Electric and

6309
05:41:40,878 --> 05:41:42,638
engineering.

6310
05:41:42,638 --> 05:41:43,840
We have

6311
05:41:43,840 --> 05:41:48,230
>> Mhm.

6312
05:41:48,240 --> 05:41:53,280
» electric vehicle charing station.

6313
05:41:53,280 --> 05:42:10,628
$100,000.

6314
05:42:10,638 --> 05:42:12,558
This had to do with the transition in

6315
05:42:12,558 --> 05:42:14,638
the parking thing right from link well

6316
05:42:14,638 --> 05:42:17,600
uh to link well from charge point

6317
05:42:17,600 --> 05:42:21,600
>> I believe for those transition

6318
05:42:21,600 --> 05:42:24,080
engineering

6319
05:42:24,080 --> 05:42:26,400
>> I'm not sure

6320
05:42:26,400 --> 05:42:31,270
>> isn't it's going to

6321
05:42:31,280 --> 05:42:32,718
fall

6322
05:42:32,718 --> 05:42:34,320
>> we're set up there these were this was

6323
05:42:34,320 --> 05:42:36,878
Mr. Wallen's request. Um, and the note

6324
05:42:36,878 --> 05:42:38,638
that I wrote was that this whole

6325
05:42:38,638 --> 05:42:40,400
transition that we're doing in the

6326
05:42:40,400 --> 05:42:42,000
parking

6327
05:42:42,000 --> 05:42:43,920
um,

6328
05:42:43,920 --> 05:42:45,760
no it wasn't I'm sorry it's not parking.

6329
05:42:45,760 --> 05:42:48,240
It's it's any any electrical vehicle

6330
05:42:48,240 --> 05:42:49,920
charging station right now that are

6331
05:42:49,920 --> 05:42:52,400
charge point, you know, that's what you

6332
05:42:52,400 --> 05:42:55,120
have to have your credit, you know, and

6333
05:42:55,120 --> 05:42:57,040
now we're moving into something called

6334
05:42:57,040 --> 05:43:01,040
link well um from charge point. And so

6335
05:43:01,040 --> 05:43:04,400
these charging stations were going to I

6336
05:43:04,400 --> 05:43:06,160
just wrote notes while Mr. Wallen was

6337
05:43:06,160 --> 05:43:08,480
talking, but that's I can't tell you all

6338
05:43:08,480 --> 05:43:09,280
the technology.

6339
05:43:09,280 --> 05:43:11,760
>> Put those new ones.

6340
05:43:11,760 --> 05:43:13,760
>> Oh, they're okay. Well, they're probably

6341
05:43:13,760 --> 05:43:15,120
in one year's budget, but

6342
05:43:15,120 --> 05:43:17,040
>> those are the DC fast charges.

6343
05:43:17,040 --> 05:43:19,520
>> Oh, nice.

6344
05:43:19,520 --> 05:43:24,160
>> I think so. Mr. Bman neighborhoods

6345
05:43:24,160 --> 05:43:26,400
>> as I recall these stations are going to

6346
05:43:26,400 --> 05:43:28,878
be at the golf course as I recall

6347
05:43:28,878 --> 05:43:32,480
because currently department

6348
05:43:32,480 --> 05:43:36,480
um stage the golf course with a total of

6349
05:43:36,480 --> 05:43:36,958
I think

6350
05:43:36,958 --> 05:43:39,680
>> four.

6351
05:43:39,680 --> 05:43:40,638
>> We've had those. Yeah.

6352
05:43:40,638 --> 05:43:41,440
>> Yeah. He was saying

6353
05:43:41,440 --> 05:43:43,600
>> these are admission in addition to that.

6354
05:43:43,600 --> 05:43:45,040
>> That's what he told us.

6355
05:43:45,040 --> 05:43:46,638
>> But not at the golf course.

6356
05:43:46,638 --> 05:43:48,160
>> At the golf course.

6357
05:43:48,160 --> 05:43:50,000
>> Why would they need additional

6358
05:43:50,000 --> 05:43:51,040
>> That's incorrect.

6359
05:43:51,040 --> 05:43:52,878
>> That's not That's not He told us he

6360
05:43:52,878 --> 05:43:54,320
wanted them in neighborhoods because a

6361
05:43:54,320 --> 05:43:56,160
lot of individuals don't have garages or

6362
05:43:56,160 --> 05:43:57,200
even

6363
05:43:57,200 --> 05:43:58,798
>> He said that's considered later. He

6364
05:43:58,798 --> 05:44:00,718
didn't say the need because you have to

6365
05:44:00,718 --> 05:44:02,080
be able to figure out where to put them.

6366
05:44:02,080 --> 05:44:03,360
That's something he said we consider

6367
05:44:03,360 --> 05:44:06,558
later. He distinctly said these

6368
05:44:06,558 --> 05:44:08,240
clarification on

6369
05:44:08,240 --> 05:44:11,040
>> He was saying he was saying They don't.

6370
05:44:11,040 --> 05:44:12,400
>> Okay. I was going to say because we have

6371
05:44:12,400 --> 05:44:15,120
the whole facility that has all of our

6372
05:44:15,120 --> 05:44:17,440
um we bought 62

6373
05:44:17,440 --> 05:44:18,878
>> entirely separate mistake.

6374
05:44:18,878 --> 05:44:21,520
>> Yeah.

6375
05:44:21,520 --> 05:44:24,240
>> Our program has charging for golf carts.

6376
05:44:24,240 --> 05:44:26,400
There are electric vehicle charging

6377
05:44:26,400 --> 05:44:29,840
stations in the parking lot of golf.

6378
05:44:29,840 --> 05:44:32,638
>> Probably just four, right?

6379
05:44:32,638 --> 05:44:34,320
>> Two stations, four,

6380
05:44:34,320 --> 05:44:35,840
>> right? And he said these were in

6381
05:44:35,840 --> 05:44:38,400
addition to that definitely. Let's try

6382
05:44:38,400 --> 05:44:40,000
to find. Sorry.

6383
05:44:40,000 --> 05:44:42,480
>> No, no, no. So, I was going to say, so

6384
05:44:42,480 --> 05:44:44,240
>> we'll get we'll get clarification, but

6385
05:44:44,240 --> 05:44:46,400
that's a simple thing because if we're

6386
05:44:46,400 --> 05:44:48,400
saying that they're going to go to the

6387
05:44:48,400 --> 05:44:52,000
golf course, then are are you supporting

6388
05:44:52,000 --> 05:44:55,360
it? Yes or no? And if not, then we get

6389
05:44:55,360 --> 05:44:57,440
that information. Mr. Wild was talking

6390
05:44:57,440 --> 05:44:59,760
about moving into the neighborhoods,

6391
05:44:59,760 --> 05:45:01,760
trying to find place to say it, put them

6392
05:45:01,760 --> 05:45:03,360
at. I suggested that that would be a

6393
05:45:03,360 --> 05:45:04,400
good place to partner with the school

6394
05:45:04,400 --> 05:45:05,600
district because schools are in the

6395
05:45:05,600 --> 05:45:07,200
neighborhood and that's the conversation

6396
05:45:07,200 --> 05:45:08,080
that we had.

6397
05:45:08,080 --> 05:45:09,840
>> That's right. I remember that.

6398
05:45:09,840 --> 05:45:11,200
>> Yes.

6399
05:45:11,200 --> 05:45:15,840
>> Neighborhood Lisa for direct member

6400
05:45:15,840 --> 05:45:17,120
for

6401
05:45:17,120 --> 05:45:19,280
>> a golf course

6402
05:45:19,280 --> 05:45:22,958
>> and I gave you um there was a number of

6403
05:45:22,958 --> 05:45:24,638
them going to be there. So I did make a

6404
05:45:24,638 --> 05:45:26,718
reduction in that and I actually spoke

6405
05:45:26,718 --> 05:45:28,638
with Mr. Wall and he felt that there was

6406
05:45:28,638 --> 05:45:32,000
some place that was um you know

6407
05:45:32,000 --> 05:45:35,360
business by hand.

6408
05:45:35,360 --> 05:45:39,600
>> Excuse me. Going back to that sentence

6409
05:45:39,600 --> 05:45:41,920
the council on

6410
05:45:41,920 --> 05:45:46,160
the point some of the questions that

6411
05:45:46,160 --> 05:45:49,600
releasing the vehicle private station

6412
05:45:49,600 --> 05:45:53,590
50%

6413
05:45:53,600 --> 05:45:55,360
and I'll be able to change all existing

6414
05:45:55,360 --> 05:45:57,520
charge point stations

6415
05:45:57,520 --> 05:46:01,520
charging city commercial street.

6416
05:46:01,520 --> 05:46:03,840
So either one or the other.

6417
05:46:03,840 --> 05:46:06,320
>> Either one of the other main

6418
05:46:06,320 --> 05:46:09,040
>> um city lot or

6419
05:46:09,040 --> 05:46:11,120
think about a commercial which is in

6420
05:46:11,120 --> 05:46:13,120
street

6421
05:46:13,120 --> 05:46:15,680
locations but

6422
05:46:15,680 --> 05:46:18,400
>> I was he said

6423
05:46:18,400 --> 05:46:19,840
we need to clarify that part.

6424
05:46:19,840 --> 05:46:21,360
>> So can we have can have can have can have can have we have that

6425
05:46:21,360 --> 05:46:23,440
question please

6426
05:46:23,440 --> 05:46:27,200
can we can we go to that to verify?

6427
05:46:27,200 --> 05:46:31,520
>> Yes. Yes. just follow up with verify.

6428
05:46:31,520 --> 05:46:33,920
Miss Michael, can you also u

6429
05:46:33,920 --> 05:46:36,480
>> follow up too to make sure that uh we

6430
05:46:36,480 --> 05:46:40,868
capture that

6431
05:46:40,878 --> 05:46:42,718
» the location

6432
05:46:42,718 --> 05:46:44,798
and then uh the next one is a firehouse.

6433
05:46:44,798 --> 05:46:45,520
Um

6434
05:46:45,520 --> 05:46:49,680
>> yes, and I don't know why that's there, but

6435
05:46:49,680 --> 05:46:51,760
that's for group repair. So that stays

6436
05:46:51,760 --> 05:46:58,470
in

6437
05:46:58,480 --> 05:47:01,840
The next one is signage.

6438
05:47:01,840 --> 05:47:06,240
>> I I don't have a problem removing that.

6439
05:47:06,240 --> 05:47:08,320
>> Central Park way finding signage.

6440
05:47:08,320 --> 05:47:20,868
>> Yeah, we can figure out.

6441
05:47:20,878 --> 05:47:25,520
» Oh, some stuff already got taken out.

6442
05:47:25,520 --> 05:47:28,320
Yeah, I I I would I would join the M

6443
05:47:28,320 --> 05:47:31,120
tour on this and I said we put this off

6444
05:47:31,120 --> 05:47:32,878
for a year.

6445
05:47:32,878 --> 05:47:33,920
>> The signage.

6446
05:47:33,920 --> 05:47:36,798
>> Yeah, we do have a couple signing. We

6447
05:47:36,798 --> 05:47:41,600
can live with those until you know

6448
05:47:41,600 --> 05:47:43,440
maybe there are grants over there that

6449
05:47:43,440 --> 05:47:46,708
can help.

6450
05:47:46,718 --> 05:47:48,400
» Um

6451
05:47:48,400 --> 05:48:00,788
my colleagues on this one.

6452
05:48:00,798 --> 05:48:03,040
Mr. Williams, you take

6453
05:48:03,040 --> 05:48:09,910
>> part of my original.

6454
05:48:09,920 --> 05:48:12,240
» Oh, you did. Okay. It was It's not on

6455
05:48:12,240 --> 05:48:16,958
here, so she Okay,

6456
05:48:16,958 --> 05:48:18,480
Patrick.

6457
05:48:18,480 --> 05:48:19,280
And

6458
05:48:19,280 --> 05:48:21,120
>> if you want to take the signage out,

6459
05:48:21,120 --> 05:48:23,840
that's fine.

6460
05:48:23,840 --> 05:48:24,400
Um

6461
05:48:24,400 --> 05:48:25,840
>> I think one of the things that we talked

6462
05:48:25,840 --> 05:48:28,000
about seeing if we could get some money

6463
05:48:28,000 --> 05:48:31,120
from the county maybe.

6464
05:48:31,120 --> 05:48:33,680
>> No, we can ask.

6465
05:48:33,680 --> 05:48:35,440
>> Oh, actually I crossed it out. I must

6466
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:39,760
have asked the question though and I

6467
05:48:39,760 --> 05:48:42,080
crossed it out. So I must have gotten

6468
05:48:42,080 --> 05:48:48,558
the answer from Mr. or from the chief I guess.

6469
05:48:48,558 --> 05:48:50,638
>> No. Why would that be under?

6470
05:48:50,638 --> 05:48:55,520
>> That's engineering. Yeah. Yeah, Chris definitely Mr. Wallen um must have

6471
05:48:55,520 --> 05:48:57,680
vetoed that when I asked it during his

6472
05:48:57,680 --> 05:48:58,798
presentation.

6473
05:48:58,798 --> 05:49:01,440
>> Miss

6474
05:49:01,440 --> 05:49:07,670
>> Okay. All right. Let's move to the um

6475
05:49:07,680 --> 05:49:10,480
paving.

6476
05:49:10,480 --> 05:49:13,600
>> I think that's essential.

6477
05:49:13,600 --> 05:49:15,040
I don't know what other people hear

6478
05:49:15,040 --> 05:49:19,430
about from residence, but

6479
05:49:19,440 --> 05:49:20,958
» I would not want to take us off the

6480
05:49:20,958 --> 05:49:25,110
paving schedule of the city.

6481
05:49:25,120 --> 05:49:27,200
» Well, that's not what Mr. said. He said

6482
05:49:27,200 --> 05:49:29,200
this is in addition to nine bunch of

6483
05:49:29,200 --> 05:49:31,200
grant projects. So, it's not that paving

6484
05:49:31,200 --> 05:49:34,718
won't continue. I think this is just

6485
05:49:34,718 --> 05:49:36,638
any projects exceeding.

6486
05:49:36,638 --> 05:49:38,320
>> Well, I see. I don't have a note on

6487
05:49:38,320 --> 05:49:39,440
that.

6488
05:49:39,440 --> 05:49:42,000
>> Yeah, you mentioned it. This is on top

6489
05:49:42,000 --> 05:49:43,360
of what the regular

6490
05:49:43,360 --> 05:49:45,680
>> Oh, so in other words, paving must be in

6491
05:49:45,680 --> 05:49:47,280
a different part of the budget, not just

6492
05:49:47,280 --> 05:49:48,638
under capital.

6493
05:49:48,638 --> 05:49:50,718
>> No, not chip.

6494
05:49:50,718 --> 05:49:52,080
>> It's chip.

6495
05:49:52,080 --> 05:49:53,360
>> It's what? I'm sorry. Can you tell me

6496
05:49:53,360 --> 05:49:54,400
again? I can't hear you.

6497
05:49:54,400 --> 05:49:57,750
>> Chip funding.

6498
05:49:57,760 --> 05:49:59,040
» Oh, this is chips.

6499
05:49:59,040 --> 05:50:03,750
>> No, this is

6500
05:50:03,760 --> 05:50:06,080
so be okay if we don't have this paving

6501
05:50:06,080 --> 05:50:06,558
money.

6502
05:50:06,558 --> 05:50:08,958
>> I didn't see that.

6503
05:50:08,958 --> 05:50:11,280
>> Street. Yeah, that's what I'm that's why

6504
05:50:11,280 --> 05:50:13,680
I'm like I'm going to change my phone

6505
05:50:13,680 --> 05:50:16,480
number with stuff. Yeah.

6506
05:50:16,480 --> 05:50:18,718
>> No, no, let's let's speak. Let's

6507
05:50:18,718 --> 05:50:20,240
>> I don't know about the resty, but that

6508
05:50:20,240 --> 05:50:22,080
is definitely something we hear about

6509
05:50:22,080 --> 05:50:22,638
all

6510
05:50:22,638 --> 05:50:25,040
>> Let's disc let's um accurate

6511
05:50:25,040 --> 05:50:27,440
information. So, the proposal is to

6512
05:50:27,440 --> 05:50:30,000
borrow on 1.250

6513
05:50:30,000 --> 05:50:34,878
2550 to complement the chip funding

6514
05:50:34,878 --> 05:50:36,878
>> that is all set aside for bathing

6515
05:50:36,878 --> 05:50:39,840
>> but they must

6516
05:50:39,840 --> 05:50:42,160
needing that money

6517
05:50:42,160 --> 05:50:43,200
>> for bathing.

6518
05:50:43,200 --> 05:50:45,280
>> Okay.

6519
05:50:45,280 --> 05:50:59,030
>> Yeah. Okay. I mean,

6520
05:50:59,040 --> 05:51:11,110
» what other

6521
05:51:11,120 --> 05:51:15,990
street painting?

6522
05:51:16,000 --> 05:51:17,920
Mr.

6523
05:51:17,920 --> 05:51:21,040
>> Um I I find I'm leaving it there for now

6524
05:51:21,040 --> 05:51:23,680
and

6525
05:51:23,680 --> 05:51:26,320
revisiting based on new information that

6526
05:51:26,320 --> 05:51:27,600
can get some.

6527
05:51:27,600 --> 05:51:30,718
>> Okay. Uh

6528
05:51:30,718 --> 05:51:36,310
>> there

6529
05:51:36,320 --> 05:51:38,958
we have like that you know all the sub

6530
05:51:38,958 --> 05:51:41,840
projects that we're looking at moving

6531
05:51:41,840 --> 05:51:43,680
that you know we're going to have to

6532
05:51:43,680 --> 05:51:46,400
borrow and we are

6533
05:51:46,400 --> 05:51:49,680
artist talked about, you know,

6534
05:51:49,680 --> 05:51:52,000
and all that. So, it may be more

6535
05:51:52,000 --> 05:51:56,320
impactless is this year it's going to

6536
05:51:56,320 --> 05:52:00,000
um in terms of what I took out, I you

6537
05:52:00,000 --> 05:52:02,878
know, put that in mind and maybe and

6538
05:52:02,878 --> 05:52:04,878
also kept in mind what we need to make

6539
05:52:04,878 --> 05:52:06,718
sure that we kept our shoes clean and

6540
05:52:06,718 --> 05:52:10,948
safe and all that.

6541
05:52:10,958 --> 05:52:16,638
And that's it. Oh yes. Okay. Stuff is

6542
05:52:16,638 --> 05:52:18,798
>> do we have anything else that we need to

6543
05:52:18,798 --> 05:52:20,798
touch on?

6544
05:52:20,798 --> 05:52:23,120
>> So are we going to get the revised mill?

6545
05:52:23,120 --> 05:52:25,120
Let's will the finance go back and take

6546
05:52:25,120 --> 05:52:28,480
our numbers and give us back a

6547
05:52:28,480 --> 05:52:30,320
>> Are we going to do it tonight or

6548
05:52:30,320 --> 05:52:32,240
>> that's I would not I would not recommend

6549
05:52:32,240 --> 05:52:32,958
that.

6550
05:52:32,958 --> 05:52:33,440
>> Okay.

6551
05:52:33,440 --> 05:52:36,480
>> We have to be considerate

6552
05:52:36,480 --> 05:52:39,040
for daytime. What time is it now?

6553
05:52:39,040 --> 05:52:40,320
>> 11:00.

6554
05:52:40,320 --> 05:52:50,628
>> Yes. So

6555
05:52:50,638 --> 05:52:51,360
» no

6556
05:52:51,360 --> 05:52:52,958
>> just in general we haven't talked about

6557
05:52:52,958 --> 05:53:05,910
yet.

6558
05:53:05,920 --> 05:53:07,440
No,

6559
05:53:07,440 --> 05:53:10,480
for management

6560
05:53:10,480 --> 05:53:13,360
services.

6561
05:53:13,360 --> 05:53:16,080
>> Well, that

6562
05:53:16,080 --> 05:53:18,080
we asked that to revisit that. So, we'll

6563
05:53:18,080 --> 05:53:20,240
do that.

6564
05:53:20,240 --> 05:53:22,080
>> And just for the record, you know, you

6565
05:53:22,080 --> 05:53:25,600
know what information I'm asking for is

6566
05:53:25,600 --> 05:53:30,160
the community block grant money in

6567
05:53:30,160 --> 05:53:33,280
each department by each by each year

6568
05:53:33,280 --> 05:53:35,520
going back to 20

6569
05:53:35,520 --> 05:53:37,120
21

6570
05:53:37,120 --> 05:53:39,520
I believe that was the earlier sharer

6571
05:53:39,520 --> 05:53:44,070
said um

6572
05:53:44,080 --> 05:53:46,480
and any

6573
05:53:46,480 --> 05:53:47,920
one report and then the second report

6574
05:53:47,920 --> 05:53:50,638
would be any you know outstanding or I

6575
05:53:50,638 --> 05:53:52,160
couldn't say outstanding but any

6576
05:53:52,160 --> 05:53:53,920
invoices

6577
05:53:53,920 --> 05:53:56,000
um that correspond to that money as well

6578
05:53:56,000 --> 05:54:01,590
as when those invoices were

6579
05:54:01,600 --> 05:54:04,480
clear. Mhm. So we have all the notes, we

6580
05:54:04,480 --> 05:54:08,240
have everything. What I would ask um

6581
05:54:08,240 --> 05:54:11,280
commission uh if we can can we mail us

6582
05:54:11,280 --> 05:54:13,920
this these reports.

6583
05:54:13,920 --> 05:54:16,240
Okay, we are not meeting tomorrow. So

6584
05:54:16,240 --> 05:54:18,160
it' be nice for us to have it ahead of

6585
05:54:18,160 --> 05:54:20,558
time tomorrow.

6586
05:54:20,558 --> 05:54:24,480
Uh hope you can get all the u the report

6587
05:54:24,480 --> 05:54:28,480
that was asked and all the answers for

6588
05:54:28,480 --> 05:54:31,920
the question exam tomorrow.

6589
05:54:31,920 --> 05:54:38,548
when we meet um correctly

6590
05:54:38,558 --> 05:54:41,600
understanding available um regarding the

6591
05:54:41,600 --> 05:54:43,440
invoices they might have fallen through

6592
05:54:43,440 --> 05:54:47,110
and like I said

6593
05:54:47,120 --> 05:54:52,320
for C2 but uh funding wise see

6594
05:54:52,320 --> 05:54:55,350
report

6595
05:54:55,360 --> 05:54:56,798
the operating budget

6596
05:54:56,798 --> 05:55:00,080
>> okay well if there's not if the invoices

6597
05:55:00,080 --> 05:55:02,160
are we're not able for example,

6598
05:55:02,160 --> 05:55:04,798
invoices, then I would I'll be moving

6599
05:55:04,798 --> 05:55:07,920
forward with the understanding that they

6600
05:55:07,920 --> 05:55:10,638
won't be coming

6601
05:55:10,638 --> 05:55:13,760
cuz how I mean

6602
05:55:13,760 --> 05:55:16,080
sorry

6603
05:55:16,080 --> 05:55:18,638
>> I mean I didn't take off um if I still

6604
05:55:18,638 --> 05:55:20,160
would call to a recommendation that

6605
05:55:20,160 --> 05:55:22,480
perhaps we able to start at like 4 or

6606
05:55:22,480 --> 05:55:24,000
3:30 on Thursday.

6607
05:55:24,000 --> 05:55:26,320
>> We cannot start

6608
05:55:26,320 --> 05:55:27,360
because we already have

6609
05:55:27,360 --> 05:55:30,638
>> we note this out there.

6610
05:55:30,638 --> 05:55:33,200
Um so we just forget so if we can get

6611
05:55:33,200 --> 05:55:35,280
those reports those answers to the

6612
05:55:35,280 --> 05:55:38,798
questions then tomorrow so uh we can

6613
05:55:38,798 --> 05:55:42,558
better equip oursel when we come here to

6614
05:55:42,558 --> 05:55:45,120
our city because the thing is if we get

6615
05:55:45,120 --> 05:55:47,760
if we know that if we get the report

6616
05:55:47,760 --> 05:55:49,360
funding that's there but then there's

6617
05:55:49,360 --> 05:55:51,920
still questions and we hear out about

6618
05:55:51,920 --> 05:55:54,000
invoices then the information that we

6619
05:55:54,000 --> 05:55:57,120
get for the funding that there is can be

6620
05:55:57,120 --> 05:56:01,440
somewhat use because the invoices is

6621
05:56:01,440 --> 05:56:04,718
technically could impact that funding.

6622
05:56:04,718 --> 05:56:06,958
You see what I'm saying? That's what I'm

6623
05:56:06,958 --> 05:56:07,440
saying.

6624
05:56:07,440 --> 05:56:08,480
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, we got

6625
05:56:08,480 --> 05:56:13,350
to have it all.

6626
05:56:13,360 --> 05:56:15,840
» Go ahead. Please have some.

6627
05:56:15,840 --> 05:56:17,600
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for the

6628
05:56:17,600 --> 05:56:21,600
group, as you know, you

6629
05:56:21,600 --> 05:56:25,280
four votes four votes to uh pass the

6630
05:56:25,280 --> 05:56:28,400
budget. That's without the P.

6631
05:56:28,400 --> 05:56:31,040
Five votes with the local law adopted

6632
05:56:31,040 --> 05:56:34,080
prior to it adopt

6633
05:56:34,080 --> 05:56:38,638
four votes below the tax the mayor veto

6634
05:56:38,638 --> 05:56:41,200
five votes

6635
05:56:41,200 --> 05:56:44,638
just giving you that you know

6636
05:56:44,638 --> 05:56:46,480
for meetings right now you've got a

6637
05:56:46,480 --> 05:56:49,920
meeting scheduled for 5:30 was going to

6638
05:56:49,920 --> 05:56:53,600
be the council meeting but they're

6639
05:56:53,600 --> 05:56:56,638
recessing excuse me recessing the uh

6640
05:56:56,638 --> 05:56:59,440
>> uh finance committee to that time. If

6641
05:56:59,440 --> 05:57:03,200
you want to then convene the council

6642
05:57:03,200 --> 05:57:04,878
meeting, the special council meeting to

6643
05:57:04,878 --> 05:57:07,200
adopt the budget, you can do that and

6644
05:57:07,200 --> 05:57:11,200
then recess that to the next day or to

6645
05:57:11,200 --> 05:57:13,680
Saturday. Saturday meeting, the last

6646
05:57:13,680 --> 05:57:17,200
day, you know, it's November 1st.

6647
05:57:17,200 --> 05:57:20,240
So at this point I guess we'll leave it

6648
05:57:20,240 --> 05:57:24,240
at 5:30 for the recess meeting finance

6649
05:57:24,240 --> 05:57:26,638
and then if necessary go into the

6650
05:57:26,638 --> 05:57:30,080
council special council meeting and if

6651
05:57:30,080 --> 05:57:32,798
just recess it if you know to get the

6652
05:57:32,798 --> 05:57:35,120
additional paperwork together to pass a

6653
05:57:35,120 --> 05:57:39,360
budget because obviously um as you all

6654
05:57:39,360 --> 05:57:42,558
know you know figures have to be added

6655
05:57:42,558 --> 05:57:45,360
up have to be placed in the ordinance

6656
05:57:45,360 --> 05:57:47,680
they have to be attached to the the

6657
05:57:47,680 --> 05:57:50,000
ordinance itself and then of course then

6658
05:57:50,000 --> 05:57:51,520
we have to deal with the issue of

6659
05:57:51,520 --> 05:57:54,320
whether or not there's going to be

6660
05:57:54,320 --> 05:57:56,638
tax.

6661
05:57:56,638 --> 05:58:03,910
That's how is your availability Friday?

6662
05:58:03,920 --> 05:58:06,320
» What if we can come in?

6663
05:58:06,320 --> 05:58:08,798
>> I guess if we could be done if we don't

6664
05:58:08,798 --> 05:58:12,080
get it Thursday

6665
05:58:12,080 --> 05:58:13,760
because I will not be available to the

6666
05:58:13,760 --> 05:58:17,830
entire meeting Thursday.

6667
05:58:17,840 --> 05:58:19,120
» What does that mean?

6668
05:58:19,120 --> 05:58:22,320
>> Yeah, but I would have to hand over

6669
05:58:22,320 --> 05:58:23,520
step away.

6670
05:58:23,520 --> 05:58:25,360
>> For how long? I mean, I don't know how

6671
05:58:25,360 --> 05:58:26,798
long you going to step away. I mean, how

6672
05:58:26,798 --> 05:58:38,390
long do you have time do you have?

6673
05:58:38,400 --> 05:58:42,718
» So, how long do we have to be here?

6674
05:58:42,718 --> 05:58:45,360
I I think that you know for me that

6675
05:58:45,360 --> 05:58:48,400
leading I think we need everybody here

6676
05:58:48,400 --> 05:58:50,240
to share an audience. I'm going to start

6677
05:58:50,240 --> 05:58:52,718
touristly but I have to step away for an

6678
05:58:52,718 --> 05:58:55,280
event and I have to come back.

6679
05:58:55,280 --> 05:58:56,958
>> Oh, you're going to go to the public.

6680
05:58:56,958 --> 05:58:58,240
>> Yes.

6681
05:58:58,240 --> 05:58:59,440
>> So, um

6682
05:58:59,440 --> 05:59:02,240
>> yeah, but in my in my abset in my absent

6683
05:59:02,240 --> 05:59:03,920
continue.

6684
05:59:03,920 --> 05:59:06,240
So, I just want to maybe set M.

6685
05:59:06,240 --> 05:59:08,240
>> Can I say something though? Um we won't

6686
05:59:08,240 --> 05:59:10,558
have we won't have a form of finance if

6687
05:59:10,558 --> 05:59:12,400
this Patrick is going as well. So, that

6688
05:59:12,400 --> 05:59:14,400
won't happen. Once we once you leave and

6689
05:59:14,400 --> 05:59:20,480
she leaves, it's over. But then we can uh reset them and come back

6690
05:59:20,480 --> 05:59:21,760
>> after event.

6691
05:59:21,760 --> 05:59:22,958
>> Yeah.

6692
05:59:22,958 --> 05:59:29,030
>> You want to see phone to come back?

6693
05:59:29,040 --> 05:59:31,040
» I was hoping I was hoping that this

6694
05:59:31,040 --> 05:59:33,040
didn't travel like this. We going to get

6695
05:59:33,040 --> 05:59:36,160
you know more more corporation in terms

6696
05:59:36,160 --> 05:59:38,558
of providing numbers but it didn't

6697
05:59:38,558 --> 05:59:39,920
happen.

6698
05:59:39,920 --> 05:59:41,520
>> And that's what I'm asking. I mean can

6699
05:59:41,520 --> 05:59:43,200
we make oursel Friday and Saturday

6700
05:59:43,200 --> 05:59:46,160
available? I can do Saturday. No,

6701
05:59:46,160 --> 05:59:50,638
Friday. I can do Saturday. Saturday.

6702
05:59:50,638 --> 05:59:52,320
>> Either way.

6703
05:59:52,320 --> 05:59:52,958
>> Yes. Yes.

6704
05:59:52,958 --> 05:59:54,798
>> Either way. Yeah.

6705
05:59:54,798 --> 05:59:56,638
>> I do Saturday, but we I mean like

6706
05:59:56,638 --> 05:59:58,558
Saturday is like the drop dead day. We

6707
05:59:58,558 --> 06:00:00,718
got to get it done.

6708
06:00:00,718 --> 06:00:02,718
>> Just I mean I could do Saturday evening

6709
06:00:02,718 --> 06:00:05,600
as well. But again, no Friday. No Friday

6710
06:00:05,600 --> 06:00:09,920
>> before midnight. So no Friday. No Friday.

6711
06:00:09,920 --> 06:00:12,240
>> Well, I can do Friday. It doesn't

6712
06:00:12,240 --> 06:00:15,830
>> I mean it's trick or treat.

6713
06:00:15,840 --> 06:00:18,958
I mean

6714
06:00:18,958 --> 06:00:21,920
>> I said so for meeting times your event

6715
06:00:21,920 --> 06:00:35,750
start

6716
06:00:35,760 --> 06:00:38,480
» I suggest we we we place the special

6717
06:00:38,480 --> 06:00:41,440
city council meeting um for you know

6718
06:00:41,440 --> 06:00:45,440
Saturday whatever time work circ

6719
06:00:45,440 --> 06:00:49,350
that

6720
06:00:49,360 --> 06:00:49,520
day

6721
06:00:49,520 --> 06:00:51,600
>> a meeting on Thursday and then if

6722
06:00:51,600 --> 06:00:54,240
necessary not getting it done on on

6723
06:00:54,240 --> 06:00:57,520
Thursday then Saturday definitely. Well,

6724
06:00:57,520 --> 06:01:00,320
yeah. My my only concern about that is I

6725
06:01:00,320 --> 06:01:02,320
don't again I don't want us to be in a

6726
06:01:02,320 --> 06:01:04,958
position where it's like well we're not

6727
06:01:04,958 --> 06:01:06,480
getting information and the clock is

6728
06:01:06,480 --> 06:01:07,680
running and then it's like Saturday.

6729
06:01:07,680 --> 06:01:10,080
Well, we have to do it now and we can't

6730
06:01:10,080 --> 06:01:11,440
provide the information right now

6731
06:01:11,440 --> 06:01:13,040
because Saturday I don't want to be in

6732
06:01:13,040 --> 06:01:14,558
that position

6733
06:01:14,558 --> 06:01:17,600
>> just to be safe.

6734
06:01:17,600 --> 06:01:19,440
>> We've been here going to be here on

6735
06:01:19,440 --> 06:01:21,600
Saturday.

6736
06:01:21,600 --> 06:01:23,760
>> Well, you're camping on Saturday.

6737
06:01:23,760 --> 06:01:25,360
>> Yeah.

6738
06:01:25,360 --> 06:01:31,350
Friday

6739
06:01:31,360 --> 06:01:37,270
here on the weekend. So

6740
06:01:37,280 --> 06:01:40,718
» now we need the numbers before Saturday

6741
06:01:40,718 --> 06:01:42,638
and that's why I ask them to have the

6742
06:01:42,638 --> 06:01:44,558
numbers available to us tomorrow

6743
06:01:44,558 --> 06:01:46,400
>> and then we can come

6744
06:01:46,400 --> 06:01:48,400
>> then we can individually look at the

6745
06:01:48,400 --> 06:01:50,400
numbers and

6746
06:01:50,400 --> 06:01:52,798
come back with recommendation and we can

6747
06:01:52,798 --> 06:01:55,920
ask them to update the report

6748
06:01:55,920 --> 06:02:01,440
and we we send it to us before Thursday.

6749
06:02:01,440 --> 06:02:03,360
You'll have to text me.

6750
06:02:03,360 --> 06:02:04,320
>> Okay.

6751
06:02:04,320 --> 06:02:07,040
>> I'm thinking about I'm thinking we

6752
06:02:07,040 --> 06:02:09,040
should send a notice out.

6753
06:02:09,040 --> 06:02:11,200
>> A revised notice

6754
06:02:11,200 --> 06:02:12,638
>> just a placeful

6755
06:02:12,638 --> 06:02:14,160
>> for

6756
06:02:14,160 --> 06:02:15,440
>> Friday too.

6757
06:02:15,440 --> 06:02:16,798
>> Yeah, I think we should just do a

6758
06:02:16,798 --> 06:02:20,000
placeful for Friday. I if we just

6759
06:02:20,000 --> 06:02:22,958
reconvene and just in and out and you

6760
06:02:22,958 --> 06:02:25,200
know for be to be on the safe side.

6761
06:02:25,200 --> 06:02:27,040
Well, we need to check with Miss Patrick

6762
06:02:27,040 --> 06:02:28,480
if she's going to be able to be

6763
06:02:28,480 --> 06:02:31,280
available on Friday because if she's not

6764
06:02:31,280 --> 06:02:33,120
but only you, M. Williams has already

6765
06:02:33,120 --> 06:02:35,200
said he's not going to be here.

6766
06:02:35,200 --> 06:02:41,190
>> But we can dest.

6767
06:02:41,200 --> 06:02:43,360
But I think we're going to have Mr.

6768
06:02:43,360 --> 06:02:44,878
Pretty much once we have the report

6769
06:02:44,878 --> 06:02:47,440
tomorrow. Oh, I'm hoping that we have

6770
06:02:47,440 --> 06:02:49,680
the reports and the updated reports we

6771
06:02:49,680 --> 06:02:52,000
can able to look at it and able to come

6772
06:02:52,000 --> 06:02:54,878
up with more suggestion. So come to a

6773
06:02:54,878 --> 06:02:56,320
conclusion.

6774
06:02:56,320 --> 06:02:58,000
>> I mean that's the only variable out

6775
06:02:58,000 --> 06:02:59,520
there for me. I produced all the numbers

6776
06:02:59,520 --> 06:03:01,200
based on information we have. I did it

6777
06:03:01,200 --> 06:03:03,680
that before. So that's already done. I'm

6778
06:03:03,680 --> 06:03:05,840
just saying that it's the main variable

6779
06:03:05,840 --> 06:03:07,040
for me.

6780
06:03:07,040 --> 06:03:09,440
>> So

6781
06:03:09,440 --> 06:03:14,310
Thursday are

6782
06:03:14,320 --> 06:03:15,680
what?

6783
06:03:15,680 --> 06:03:17,600
>> Mr. and CB.

6784
06:03:17,600 --> 06:03:19,200
>> No, I'm talking about how does the

6785
06:03:19,200 --> 06:03:22,558
meeting function? Miss yourself. Miss

6786
06:03:22,558 --> 06:03:28,868
Patrick highlighted

6787
06:03:28,878 --> 06:03:30,718
» I think she'd like to go. She hasn't

6788
06:03:30,718 --> 06:03:37,270
said she's committed to go and

6789
06:03:37,280 --> 06:03:41,350
» doesn't talk to

6790
06:03:41,360 --> 06:03:51,190
you for the elbow rubbing.

6791
06:03:51,200 --> 06:03:52,958
All right.

6792
06:03:52,958 --> 06:03:54,080
>> Are we all set then?

6793
06:03:54,080 --> 06:03:57,440
>> Oh, what time are you looking at?

6794
06:03:57,440 --> 06:03:58,480
>> Nothing.

6795
06:03:58,480 --> 06:04:00,160
>> What time is What time Saturday is good

6796
06:04:00,160 --> 06:04:00,798
for you?

6797
06:04:00,798 --> 06:04:04,868
>> I can anytime Saturday.

6798
06:04:04,878 --> 06:04:06,080
» Yeah, that's going to be tough. I can

6799
06:04:06,080 --> 06:04:10,470
only do Saturday evening.

6800
06:04:10,480 --> 06:04:12,480
» I mean, I mean,

6801
06:04:12,480 --> 06:04:14,080
>> evening starts at what time for you?

6802
06:04:14,080 --> 06:04:15,920
>> I'll figure it out. If everyone if you

6803
06:04:15,920 --> 06:04:17,360
have a consensus for Saturday, make it

6804
06:04:17,360 --> 06:04:23,270
happen.

6805
06:04:23,280 --> 06:04:25,280
» Mr. Tor said 9:00 works for you.

6806
06:04:25,280 --> 06:04:26,558
>> I just really

6807
06:04:26,558 --> 06:04:28,240
>> I'd say

6808
06:04:28,240 --> 06:04:29,280
it was the rest of the day.

6809
06:04:29,280 --> 06:04:30,400
>> Saturday night

6810
06:04:30,400 --> 06:04:31,760
>> family whenever. Yeah.

6811
06:04:31,760 --> 06:04:32,638
>> Okay.

6812
06:04:32,638 --> 06:04:34,558
>> Have start.

6813
06:04:34,558 --> 06:04:36,080
I'm sorry.

6814
06:04:36,080 --> 06:04:39,200
>> I've been hanging in.

6815
06:04:39,200 --> 06:04:42,638
>> Let's do a place for Friday.

6816
06:04:42,638 --> 06:04:50,000
Let's do a place open. Uh Saturday, 9, Friday 5:30

6817
06:04:50,000 --> 06:04:54,070
and we already have tourist.

6818
06:04:54,080 --> 06:04:56,958
» So we just need to do

6819
06:04:56,958 --> 06:04:58,240
another notice.

6820
06:04:58,240 --> 06:04:58,958
>> Okay.

6821
06:04:58,958 --> 06:05:00,400
>> All right. Any other businesses for

6822
06:05:00,400 --> 06:05:02,080
finance?

6823
06:05:02,080 --> 06:05:03,920
We have a motion to

6824
06:05:03,920 --> 06:05:08,000
>> recess. Motion to recess

6825
06:05:08,000 --> 06:05:14,310
>> to second.

6826
06:05:14,320 --> 06:05:21,750
Bet you wish sometimes

6827
06:05:21,760 --> 06:05:25,958
I think this That's it.