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Locations before it. And for making recommendations to the council on those applications. Each individual wishing to address the commission on a specific application must complete and

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both form. These forms are located in the rear of the room. It is important to speakers place the agenda item number on this form so that an accurate record can be maintained.

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You are also required to print your name and address and sign this form.

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When the Chairman asks if anyone is in attendance wishing to speak on the specific application,

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those wishing to provide comments are required to come forward, provide their name and address

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and address their comments to the Planings on the Commission.

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It is important to remember that members of the Planings on the Commission will make a decision

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on each application and you should direct all comments to the Commission, responding to the

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waste time and may reduce the impact of your statement. Members of the Planning and Zoning Commission

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may question any speaker. This commission will not tolerate verbal outbursts or disruptions

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from the audience, nor will this commission tolerate verbal or abusive attacks directed at

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county staff. The structure of the meeting is as follows. The chairman will introduce each project

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by both name and number, and will then direct the staff of the Planning Division to present the

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The staff representative will then present a brief overview of the application, the commission may question the staff relative to the project.

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The chairman will then call the petitioner of the party that submitted the application.

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The petitioner may call additional individuals generally supporting consultants and is allowed a 10 minute uninterrupted period for presentation of facts surrounding the application.

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After completion of the presentation of the application, the members of the Commission may ask questions of the petitioner relative to the application, there is no time limit for questions from the Commission.

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After all questions from the Commission have been heard, the Chairman will ask for any citizens wishing to address the Commission who are in favor of this application to come forward.

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There will be a total of five minutes allocated for public comment and favor of the application.

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The Commission may ask questions of any speaker.

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The time used for speakers to answer questions will not be subtracted from the five minutes

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allocated for this portion of the hearing.

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After all questions from the Commission have been heard, the Chairman will ask for any

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citizens wishing to address the Commission who are opposed to this application to come forward.

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There will be a total of 20 minutes allocated for public comment and opposition to the

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Because time is limited, we strongly recommend that speakers be prepared and know the facts

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regarding the application.

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This will be the sole public hearing before a public body regarding the application.

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Time used to respond to questions from the Commission will not count against the time allocation.

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After closure of the comment period, the Commission will then deliberate on the application.

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the Commission may direct additional questions to the staff or it may proceed directly to

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considering the application. The decisions of the Planning and Zoning Commission will be

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forwarded to the County Council for final action. Final action by the County Council will

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generally take the form of an ordinance approving the application or a resolution denying the

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application. In most instances there will be no further public hearing before the County Council.

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And now call this meeting order, Madam Secretary, we please call roll.

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Here.

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Thank you.

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Is there a motion to approve the agenda?

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It is important to note that item B and C underneath the considerations has been continued.

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So your motion would need to reflect the updated or corrected agenda?

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Is there a motion to approve the agenda?

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The motion to approve the agenda is amended.

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I'll second.

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Commissioner, the sprawl made a motion to approve.

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I'm sorry, Commissioner Sparks made a motion to approve the amended agenda.

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It was second by Commissioner Sebert, all in favor.

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Opposed.

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The amended agenda passes unanimously.

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Approval of the minutes for October 9th, 2025.

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I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Commissioner Sproul made a motion.

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Approved the minutes of October 9, 2025.

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It was second of October, Commissioner Tuggle, all in favour say aye.

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I'm going to talk to that.

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Thanks.

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Approved the minutes for October 9, 2025.

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It's approved with one vote abstaining.

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It's worrying in of the witnesses.

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Good evening, everyone.

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everybody, once again, thanks for coming out tonight. As I mentioned before the meeting, if you are

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going to be speaking on the cases that are on the agenda, make sure you grab a speaker slip

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over here behind me on this little table and fill that out and just keep it with you when you

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do come up to talk and that's one of these folks right here in front of me. That's number one.

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Number two, we do need to swear you in your testimony actually becomes part of the record in the

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respective case that you're speaking on rather than do that individually when you come up we do it all at once here at the beginning of the meeting

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So if you are going to be speaking or you think you might speak please do go ahead and stand up right now

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Raise your right hand and the commission secretary will administer the oath

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Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give us a truth to hold truth and nothing about the truth?

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If so please say I do

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Thank you very much you can go ahead and have a seat

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When it is your turn to talk, you'll again come up to the front, hand that slip to one of these folks here,

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head on over to that podium in the middle, state your name, state your address, and state that you've been sworn in for the record,

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and then you can begin your remarks.

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Thank you, sir, introduction of evidence.

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Members of the Jefferson County Planning and Zoning Commission.

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The county would ask that the following exhibits be entered into the record for the cases to be heard by you this evening.

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They are Exhibit A, the official master plan for Jefferson County, Missouri.

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The visualized Jefferson County master plan with was adopted this past Monday night and

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is now in full force, Exhibit B, the code of ordinances of Jefferson County, specifically

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chapter 400 of that code, that would be the unified development order that was adopted

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back on April the second 2008, and has been amended a number of times since then.

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And finally, Exhibit C, which consists of the planning division staff reports with their respective

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case files.

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Thank you, sir.

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Is there a motion to accept the introduction of evidence?

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I'll make a motion to accept the introduction of evidence.

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I'll second.

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Mr. Sparks, I made a motion to accept the introduction of evidence.

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It was seconded by Commissioner Sebert, Colin Fever.

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Aye.

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Introduction of evidence is accepted unanimously.

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Under new business, we have consideration Pb.

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2,5, dash, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 8, request for the variance to do with stormwater and erosion and

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sediment control.

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I don't know how do we proceed on this, do we call a petitioner part, or we handle this

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like everything else?

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I do understand Mr. Cook to be here, I do not know if the petitioner is here, you should probably

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call Mr. Cook out first because he would be the staff report, I need to hear from him and

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call for the petition. And then proceed as you would with anyone for or against.

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I understand there's no staff comments on this. Oh, he is here. Okay.

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Would the petitioner please come forward?

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I unless you want to hear, unless you want to hear from Mr. Cook first.

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And again, he is here.

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Okay, that's fine. Mr. Cook, would you please come forward? We'll get right back to you, sir.

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I mean, please

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stay your name, address, and you're a county official, so you know, I have to be sworn correct.

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Michael Coates, team 299, Community Drive and Festus, and I'm the Stormwater Manager for Jessica.

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It's pretty hard to hear you, but...

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I apologize.

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So, anything you'd like to add or say about this?

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First of all, good evening commissioners, and one day I promise I will come up to you guys a more proper of a tire.

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I always get caught in a bad moment, so this came about under a stormwater code's 505,

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any time there's activity in a protected stream buffer, it requires a variance.

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If you recall, our division is complaint driven. I don't have the staff, nor do I have to keep

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abilities of driving around, looking for interactions and we don't. So my office received a couple

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complaints on this, we sent an inspector out, and I'll put a inspection determined that the

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property owner was in a protected stream buffer, making improvements without authorization. So

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that's what a right from this.

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So what happens is we contact the property owner.

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We send them a letter, they are in turn,

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thought, the stream buffer application process.

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We then take what they submit to us

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and in your packet, if you look, we now

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do an engineering analysis to an engineering firm,

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an inch wish and a logic.

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They make a recommendation.

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And I literally pass that on to plain and zoning staff

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that I believe makes it into your packet.

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Based upon the environment engineering firm,

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they are recommending to Nile because the applicant was not detailed or addressed 505.950b

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questions 3 and 4, basically protecting the stream buffer when the project is completed

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and also does it go against the UDO and it currently does based upon our stormwater codes.

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So the other concern is if you read the engineer's report is, this could be jurisdiction of water

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from the Army Corps of Engineer, which would trigger a 404 and a possible 401, which is in

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the Engineer's report, our goal overall is to ensure that our property owner is protected,

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and we keep them out of trouble and work with them to ensure that the project is done to code

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requirements. Unfortunately right now, during its current situation, it is not meet the 505 code.

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Would you like to elaborate on the scope of the project, or would you rather save that for the

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I believe the narrative of the scope was also submitted the application to the commission.

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However, it seemed like it's just an extension of a covert in the protected stream buffer that could be judged differently.

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Questions for Mr. Cook?

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All right.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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There's a petitioner president.

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Please come forward and state your name.

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Address and that you have been sworn in.

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My name is Dan Compton.

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I'm at 50, it would Barnard, Missouri.

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I have been sworn on.

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OK.

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Can you tell me a little bit about what you got going on?

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I'd be happy too.

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I have, and my front yard, a ditch.

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And it is a runoff ditch, I think.

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Unbeknownst to me, it is somehow a protected stream

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in Jefferson County.

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This ditch derives from the timber, just north of me, from three creeks that come together,

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three ditches that come together.

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The water doesn't either originate from another water source.

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It has run off in the timber.

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Come to my property over the years, because of the way my house is built on the property, the front

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in the yard is very steep. I've had over the years a horrible time trying to maintain that

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portion as I'm talking about a 70 foot piece of property in my two front, 200 foot frontage.

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And so over the years it's just been a chaotic, bolder, filled, ditch with weeds and everything

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all sides. I've taken and extended the three-fold call work which by the way was put in

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other call it was put in when I built the house along the road. So in my mind I didn't know

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as to anything but it was against a rule. I'm extending that. The flow line of the creek is not

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I'm in the same flow line, in the same exact direction, all I've done is bed in a three-foot diameter

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color to extend the one that's there, and graded over that to make a long in the front,

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which I haven't been able to do for the 37 years I've been there.

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So, it's done nothing to, I mean, to understand this waterway, it's dry 96% of the time.

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There's no water in it.

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Can go now, I couldn't find a cup of water in it.

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There's, do we get water, yes, in springtime, in multiple days of rain, we'll get water in it.

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and at times it can flow hard. But also on my property down for, there's a 18 inch covered

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under a low water bridge that handles that water without any question. 100%.

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So it's, I haven't done, at least in my mind, anything that's detrimental to the streamer.

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Only thing I've done is enhanced the property and every neighbor around has thanked me for doing what I've done,

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because it's beautified the subdivisions.

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So I'm not trying to take things too personally,

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but I'm offended by the fact

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that I can't improve my own property

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and make the water run the way to ought to.

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I don't always say about that, except that I feel like

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I've done what is best for my property

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and the best for the property values surrounding me.

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We have in that subdivision, by the way, several homes that have the entire creek stream

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waterway, covered it through their entire property and talking 200 long stretches of

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because the way our subdivision is, you have to build close to it.

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So, there are a number of homes where the creek, the ditch, whatever you want to call it, is completely buried through their entire frontage.

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I'm buried 75 to 80 feet in front of my 200 foot frontage.

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I don't know what to say except I think I've done good.

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And I mean, I have no ambition to do anything that's not done well.

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I mean, I've been a builder my entire life.

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I think I kind of get what things should be done.

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And I do that.

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I appreciate your consideration for what I think is the good work I've done.

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Since you have been made aware of the other permits that maybe needed, have you reached

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to the Army Corps of Engineers of the Department of Natural Resources to ask their

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opinion or advice. I have not pending what you guys tell me to do.

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So this is on your

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driveway. This is in my front lawn. Okay. Is it would it or will it attach to your driveway?

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No, sorry. No. Okay.

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Are there other questions for decisions please?

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So I want to make sure I understood you correctly, so you already did it.

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Oh, it's done.

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It's beautiful.

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And you said that some of the neighbors were happy, but I think Mr. Cook had said that there

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are a complaint driven.

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Well, I can clarify that for you.

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Okay.

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Please do.

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And I've never mentioned a name, but the every name or who it has a Nancy.

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And that's what this is all about.

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I've known those people for the 37 years I've lived there and I've never had every issue with them, but they quite frankly

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they don't

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had no idea

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why they were calling when Louise is nice as she was when she came out

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She said that we were burying a structure or someone said we're burying a structure in the creek

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Your inspector came out and said you're extending a call for this isn't a structure and I of course agreed and

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I said Louise, you know, I don't know what to do about it.

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At that point, she told me I'm in a protective waterway,

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which I didn't realize I had water from property in Barnhart,

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but evidently I do.

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So I'm not sure I hope my taxes don't go up because of that.

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But, well, and I'm trying to make, not make light,

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but it's, and I'm not saying it's ridiculous.

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I understand how things are mapped.

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I understand that, now I understand it's, it's some sort of protected waterway,

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But it's really not a waterway, it's, I mean, it is a way that water travels, but it is

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a ditch that someone not knowing what they're talking about and rather than pick up the

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phone and call me or come and talk to me, call Jefferson County and said, we're, we're

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bearing God knows what in the creek.

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Are there any other questions? Do you have any other supporting consultants or anything like that, too?

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I'm sorry. Do you have any other supporting consultants or anyone that you'd like to have speak?

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Well, I do have a neighbor here and I could get to that.

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We'll get to that.

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All nine of the people that letters were sent to would sign off and integrate with everything that Mr. Johnson would tell you.

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There's not a person in the subdivision, other than Nancy,

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that would, and even Nancy would have

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to agree that I've done nothing but improve our subdivision.

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Okay.

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I have a question.

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I have a question.

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It just had to be remediated and tore out what kind of financial burden do you think there is?

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Well, I've spent $25,000 doing, and I don't spend money, I'm not a wealthy man, and I don't spend money needlessly.

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But I've invested $25,000 to create a much nicer and much nicer part of our subdivision.

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And to read you out of your probably somewhere to take out and put back, for I don't know what reason that would be.

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But, you know, I would say $75,000,000 probably.

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If I could, so you, which at that point, then somebody else can have the house.

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So you spent all this money, you didn't call anybody, didn't ask anybody, didn't call the county, nothing just did it.

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I had actually no inclination that I would ever need to do that.

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And then I wouldn't, there's, there's work that goes on through there.

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I mean, I would have no reason to call.

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I'm a, I was a builder every two recent retired in a builder since 1986. I know the importance of build buildings in Jefferson County.

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I understand the importance of permits when required.

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I never even gave it a thought because I'm in my front yard and I have, I don't know why I would ever think that maybe I'm in a protected waterway.

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Other questions?

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So would you have any issues with bringing this up to code?

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I'm sorry.

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Would you have any issues of bringing this up to code?

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I think everything I've done is, I mean, I don't know how I could have done anything

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any better.

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It's a double-walled three-foot cover designed for that.

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It is fit and all two inch minus and screenings above that to raise grade and then top

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so that I mean, it's a pretty simple application and, you know, I don't think there's

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any other way that I could do it, honestly, but Mr. Sebert was your question somewhat geared

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towards Mr. Cook's email where he talks about if the applicant was to perceive the

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corporate extension and talked about a re-begetation process.

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Yes.

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It's a mitigation efforts to work with storm water to get it to code.

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Sir, are you aware or if you have spoken Mr. Cook about a re-begetation process?

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patient plan. I don't talk to Mike about it. Okay. All right. Thank you.

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Happy to.

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Other questions?

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No. Okay. Is it okay if we would bring Mr. Cook up to the podium for a second?

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If it helps us resolve this, that would be great. I would be hopeful. I wouldn't bring him up here just tonight.

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But I might.

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Yeah. Mr. Cook please. Please come back. Are you guys going to be okay staying

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inside by side,

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right?

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Long with Mike's okay. I'm all right. For the first bout tonight.

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I'll keep my glasses on.

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Well, sir, sir. We need to set out.

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This is good.

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Well, correct, but I mean, I don't know if the commissioner's had any more questions for him.

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And Mitch, as if Mr. Cook, that's what I mean,

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if you guys have more questions of the app with me.

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Are there any other questions for me?

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I'm not a question, but I know that there was one of the

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neighbors in the back that wanted to speak.

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OK, we'll look at that in a second.

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So we're getting a little off track here.

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Thank you, sir.

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We may call you back.

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OK, thank you.

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OK, you're up, Mr. Mitch.

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Mike, the email references that they did not

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submit a mitigation plan, which I know really

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points, I think, three and four, and the other

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answer request address. If the option for the commission tonight would be to continue this

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and then see if a mitigation plan could be arrived to facilitate this. I assume that would allow

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the opportunity to deal with the issue whether or not this is actually jurisdictional waterways,

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which we get a lot. I mean, we have this conversation quite a bit. We do. Yes, sir. It would. First step

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would be let's determine the jurisdiction by the core

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for the environmental engineering firm

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because I want to keep the applicant on a federal trouble

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because the core can get pretty onry.

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So I beat step one, step two, as Mr. Bear said,

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we would work with the applicant on a restoration plan

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because please remember, I know we joke about things,

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but this county has stormwater problems.

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And every person who puts a structure in a covert

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is a structure, so please understand that.

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From a public work standpoint, a covert is a structure,

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even from the engineering standpoint.

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Every time we choke that creek off and it's not allowed we get stormwater rain and it's in it flash floods

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We get five inches and two hours think about what we're doing

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You have a head water and a tail water issue. Nobody has water issues until we get the rain

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Prime example last time we got four inches of rain my office got four hundred twenty five phone calls

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275 were complaints from neighbors who were best friends for 20 years never had a water problem until we have this and I know

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We try to educate the public, unfortunately though, if you're in St. Louis County, everybody knows you can't touch water.

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I can go talk to an 80-year-old farmer right now who knows I can't touch a creek because of the clean water act.

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And U.S. Geology is one of the determines what's called blue line streams.

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So we are always waiting to work with people because we are firm, believers, and working with people to better use our property.

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And everybody likes private property rights. However, remember what you do upstream even on a dry creek that we used to call them.

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and now stormwater event affects those downstream.

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And if you choke that creek off

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without hydraulic reviews,

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creeks do me under, they do move.

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And next, you know, you got massive erosion.

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And I promise you, you guys have all heard stories

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from a little creek that's now four feet wide.

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And it appears this is a large lot of subdivision.

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This was probably a stormwater management system

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that has designed to function this way

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when you look at how it lays out on the lots

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on some of the exhibits.

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and so I would imagine then that would get mapped as you guys have seen those before we've

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had these a lot of these. And as Mike, as Mr. Cook said, you know, as part of the consideration

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is it may seem like a minor thing, but as that stormwater moves through there like it's designed

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to do, any time that gets choked down or repeated, it can have implications. So I think maybe the

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best bet would be to continue this and allow a few of the issues to be resolved. See if a mitigation

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plan can come up and entertain this at your next meeting. I mean, that would be my recommendation

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certainly have the right to do what you want, but it sounded like, hopefully, that would maybe potentially give us an option for a win-win for both sides.

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And explain on Mr. Barrett's comment, we would definitely work with the applicant, because again,

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how many stream buffer variants do you, you don't hear many from us?

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We do our best to work with applicants and we understand the situation, and normally most applicants will work with our division as well,

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and it's usually very good outcome.

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In your email, you talk about a re-vegetative plan and live stakes.

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It seems pretty simple, but would you explain that a little bit?

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What do you want to do?

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So a stream buffer is not designed to look like your golf course yard.

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Everybody wants a nice, beautiful yard, but a stream buffer is designed to allow the water

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to flow through it from overland rains.

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It helps clean the water, it helps controls the water, it slows the water down.

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If we don't have a nice stream buffer protection, velocity increases, and it continues to increase and that's what is called a hydro push or a hydro velocity push.

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It will literally start eroding the banks.

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If we, as you know, that was done by the county engineer who chartered the rain, the last five years are rain events have changed.

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We've gotten more rain, faster storms, more powerful storms.

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So now our stream buffers are even come more important because we don't do watershed protection here in the county.

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We're not in the steam. We don't have the tax money. We don't have the revenue. We opted

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under the DNR permit to do stream buffer protection years ago, and that's what we're in

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task would doing. So that's what that means. Let's get some vegetation back. Let's once the

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improvements done, let's get native seed, let's get native grasses growing, let's get something

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to slow the water down as well with your extending the structure. So we need some velocity control.

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Normal things that, you know, as a gentleman said in this account, and he's built homes and he

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and we can work with it, but that's what that means.

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Okay.

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Other questions for Mr. Cook?

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I have a question.

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Yes.

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Because we have video, because you talk about complaints and things like that, and people not knowing.

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And we're in a situation where we don't have a time machine to turn back the clock.

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Hypothetically speaking, if this individual would have came to storm water and had a concern

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And said well, you know, is it my front yard? Is it a stream will you guys fix this for me as the county?

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What kind of if you're putting it out to the masses if anybody in the future has a

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Concern and decides to Bob the builder it themselves

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What would you like to say to the people? I guess that would be so thinking that and then end up kind of in the situation

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So we're now, we're having to kind of roll everything back.

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The easiest explanation I can give is a five-minute phone call

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can save a lot of financial heartache and headache,

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just a quick five-minute phone call.

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Then we can partner with you.

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We can work with wait.

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Trying to do, we can get approved, and we work to the Commission, and it's a project that everybody is happy with. Just a quick five minute phone call.

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Yeah, my suspicion is that the answer along with that is the Mr. Cook would be here tonight with a coordinated plan that they had already worked on with the gentleman and he'd be here recommending approval subject to that plan as opposed to what he's forced to come in with tonight since there wasn't no communication.

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That's fair.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes,

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sir.

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We'll gladly field phone calls e-mails, we will gladly do on-site visits and we will work

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with any applicant to ensure that they get to do what they would like to do while we're

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still protecting the waterway and more importantly, and protecting stormwater from those

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downstream or upstream.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I know it can't.

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I was going to say, can I make a motion to continue this if you were.

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I would not recommend that at this time.

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I would recommend that.

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I'm not going to recommend you go forward, Mr. Chairman, and call for anybody who is in favor

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again.

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So, I mean, this was no-to-stop for public hearing.

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I would go through and continue that hearing until it's terminus, and then, at that

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time, you can call for emotion, whether that's a motion to approve an eye or continue.

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But I would advise that you, this is no-to-stop for hearing side advice you go ahead and

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hear from those who are here for and against.

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Does the petitioner not have an opportunity to ask us to continue this?

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I mean, he can, but it's a little unorthodox to do that kind of mid-stream, right?

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I mean, we were already, we're in the mids, I'm sorry, I did not need to make a pun for everyone out there.

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But I got a good laugh at Mr. Bear here, so buddy, I'm pun not intended aside. I would advise

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you continue to hearing and make whatever motion you feel appropriate following that.

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Okay, so we were up to the point, uh, uh, a citizen to be heard that are in favor of the

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project. Application. Please come forward, State your name? Address, and that you have been sworn in,

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and there is five minutes allocated for this portion. My name is Barney Johnson. I live a 65

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of Huntley Woods in the subdivision that's done Dan lives in and I have been sworn in.

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I've been there for 15 years.

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We have no erosion problem.

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That 70 foot of Calvert, he put in, it's a ditch, I mean literally a ditch is all it is.

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We did not know, he did not know that it was a problem or something like that.

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We watched him put it in, he put it in like it should be put in, he brought in loads of dirt,

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level up his front yard. It now is a beautiful green grass. I mean, it just, it comes through

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our cover through his cover. He extended the cover on down. It goes through another probably

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eight to ten home before it gets out of our subdivision. I've been here 15 years, there's

449
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,300
no erosion whatsoever, that occurs even with a four to five inch rain. Like he said, 95% of the time,

450
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:09,500
it's a ditch about this deep. And it's about this wide. That's all it is. Unless we get a big rain,

451
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:15,600
water doesn't flow. I grew up on a farm in Arkansas, I know what a river is and I know what a

452
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,940
creek is. And it's not a river or a creek. Yes, we get run off water from the mountains north of

453
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,880
me. It comes through to his property on down out of our subdivision runs in a glazed creek in a

454
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Mississippi river. We've never had a problem. And that's why I've just shocked at what he called Nancy

455
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,100
turned him in. If she had walked down there and said, Dan, what are you doing? Dan said, I put in

456
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:42,380
The coverage is said, oh, what's ironic about that is she lives on the opposite side of

457
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:47,800
the road, where the coverage is, they're not going to get flooded, you know, they're

458
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,220
not in close to it.

459
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,520
But the coverage is go from one to the other, I can said, for about 200 feet, about three

460
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,500
different neighbors, their whole front yard is a cover through there.

461
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:02,160
And coming in going, there's no erosion.

462
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:04,040
We've not had a problem with erosion whatsoever.

463
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:12,540
I just want to say I hope you would consider leaning like it is because it's not hurting anyone or property.

464
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:14,280
Thank you.

465
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,700
Okay.

466
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,100
Hang on, sir.

467
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Are there anyone I have a question for?

468
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,280
Mr. Johnson, please make sure you fill out a slip out right there.

469
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,900
And anybody else, please make sure you do a speaker slip before you come up.

470
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Just so we can keep things moving at a reasonable pace tonight.

471
00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:31,950
Okay.

472
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:32,610
Okay.

473
00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:33,010
Thank you.

474
00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:36,990
Any other citizen solution to be heard that are in favor of the application?

475
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:40,990
Anyone wishing to be heard that is in favor of the application?

476
00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:44,930
Anyone wishing to be heard that is opposed to the application?

477
00:34:46,630 --> 00:34:49,030
Anyone wishing to be heard that is opposed to this application?

478
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:52,350
Has a petitioner have anything else they would like to add?

479
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:54,820
Nope.

480
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,660
Discussion amongst commissioners or a move for some sort of action?

481
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:08,770
I'm concerned, I'm concerned on the entrance and the exit of the culverts.

482
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:13,830
So, is there, of course, the water is coming in,

483
00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,250
is it contained or is it thrown in

484
00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:19,110
over in the yard?

485
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:22,750
Or is it just staying in that culvert to be without the other hand?

486
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:23,450
Sorry.

487
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,630
You follow?

488
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:27,970
Yeah, I understand.

489
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:29,610
Other discussion?

490
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:30,570
I

491
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:39,910
want to make sure that I emphasize that stormwater is a huge issue here in the county and the stormwater

492
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:49,050
manager's role is pretty important and I really hesitate to go against our UDO rules that we have chapter

493
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:57,430
505. I hesitate to go against that stuff just because somebody wants to. It's not really a pressing

494
00:35:57,430 --> 00:36:03,450
need that's shown that it needs to be that a variance is required, it's just wanted.

495
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:07,590
So I want to make sure to point that out, that's not required, it's wanted.

496
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:13,430
Do we violate the UDO just because we want to, not because we need to.

497
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:16,230
So I want to make sure everybody considers that out.

498
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:24,950
I just wanted to add, you know, we've seen cases in which individuals have either

499
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:35,430
not been aware or intentionally ignored stormwater or streamwater buffers and I would be

500
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:42,330
hypocritical if I sat up here and and said that I don't like people just doing

501
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:47,910
what they want to do okay and we've denied things where people taking bulldozers and

502
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:53,630
you know why am I here for a stream buffer there's no stream I bulldozed it and

503
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:54,510
that's their logic.

504
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:59,610
So I would be hypocritical to say that we just let this slide

505
00:36:59,610 --> 00:37:03,310
because in the past, and I understand the financial costs

506
00:37:03,310 --> 00:37:05,010
would it come with this?

507
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:11,430
But we do have obligations to what the storm water is

508
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:11,930
recommending.

509
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:17,790
And it's not causing any problems now, just like you said.

510
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:20,250
It's not a problem until it is a problem.

511
00:37:20,330 --> 00:37:22,610
And without proper review, without people

512
00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:27,710
coming out there and doing the the correct work that needs to be done. Unfortunately, it

513
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:34,610
looks great now, but come spring, is it going to be great? I don't have a crystal ball,

514
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:41,630
but I know what people who do that for a living for the stormwater division and pretty much

515
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:47,490
every lie on their expertise for that. Unfortunately, it can be a burden to someone who's already

516
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:52,590
started a project or finished a project. But we do have an obligation to look at what

517
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:57,470
that is required when something like this is brought up, and that's my time on that.

518
00:37:59,370 --> 00:38:01,810
So in his case, certain miscades.

519
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:06,290
So everybody that's hoping to tell him that in his field, they're back yard or what

520
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:09,830
a priority order they come have to do the same thing.

521
00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:20,190
So one thing I would ask my fellow commissioners to consider is, you could, we could do an approval

522
00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:26,310
with conditions, with conditions that the re-vegetation and mitigation plan is put into effect,

523
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:31,210
and that the Missouri DNR and US Army Corps of Engineers are contacted to ensure it's not

524
00:38:31,210 --> 00:38:39,550
of what's the right word regulated, jurisdictional waterway under their rules. And obviously,

525
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:44,430
if those conditions couldn't be met, then, you know, that's the same as the disapproval.

526
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:56,990
It's an approval with conditions like like we do a lot in here, but if he chose not to do it or just didn't feel like doing it, there's no come back for it

527
00:38:56,990 --> 00:39:02,250
There's no penalty for not following a rule. I think since there's been a complaint

528
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:07,430
There would be a citation or remediation that would have to happen is that correct?

529
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:11,870
I mean, you can speak if you want to ask Mr. Cook where the matter is

530
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:18,530
But, yeah, I presume there's been a notice of violation and then, before it in the usual manner of enforcement.

531
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:24,940
So, you could say that about a lot of other things.

532
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,460
I'm not telling you to be facetious.

533
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,300
I mean, I don't know.

534
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:31,340
I like rules.

535
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:40,900
Or we could give the petitioner and the county a chance to work together by continuing this.

536
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,560
That's why I'm out with it.

537
00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:49,880
I like to make the motion to continue it and have them work together and see what they can get.

538
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,760
But has the petitioner agreed to continue?

539
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,080
It's up to you, he doesn't, I mean, I don't know if he wants a choice.

540
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,240
Yeah, if you want to make the motion.

541
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,860
I mean, can we make a choice on his behalf?

542
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,800
He's taken to you?

543
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,220
Yes.

544
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:03,120
Yeah.

545
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,380
That doesn't require him to do it.

546
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:05,820
Right.

547
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,740
I mean, if somebody can make the motion to continue it,

548
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:09,680
and if it gets a second, then you get to vote on it.

549
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,760
So, I don't understand your question.

550
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,740
Could it be a time limit?

551
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:18,580
I mean, you should make the motion to next,

552
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:23,680
Yeah, next available meeting, right, which I think that's probably going to be sometime in January.

553
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:24,880
Is that correct?

554
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,300
I mean, because we're dealing with the December data already shot.

555
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,640
So, but Mr. Sever, I mean, if you want to make your motion more specific to next available meeting.

556
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Yes, next available meeting.

557
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:50,290
So the motion is to continue PB25-008 to the first available meeting in January.

558
00:40:50,290 --> 00:40:57,730
2,026 to allow the petitioner and the county an opportunity to work out a plan.

559
00:40:58,030 --> 00:40:58,510
Is that correct?

560
00:40:59,790 --> 00:40:59,930
Yes.

561
00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:01,550
And I'll second that.

562
00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:03,710
In Commissioner Sparks second at all in favor.

563
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:05,070
Hi.

564
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:05,710
Okay.

565
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:06,270
Opposed?

566
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:07,050
No.

567
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:10,050
Madam Secretary, we please call roll.

568
00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:22,270
Did he share?

569
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:23,090
Yes.

570
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:29,110
Yes.

571
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:30,150
Yes.

572
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,000
7 to 1.

573
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,120
PB25-008 will be continued to the first available meeting in January,

574
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,600
2026 so that the petitioner in the county can have an opportunity to get

575
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,300
the other work out a plan and that motion passes by a vote of seven years and one

576
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,740
day. And Mr. Chair, just for everybody's in the room's

577
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:03,620
edgification, that would be January the 8th of next year, if we have proved

578
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:04,140
scheduled.

579
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,420
What would you be must?

580
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:09,860
Okay.

581
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Next up, PB25-0012.

582
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:24,300
I assume you're going to do PB25-003 kind of at the same time.

583
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:26,060
Mr. Jump, please proceed.

584
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:33,200
Thank you.

585
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,500
As you mentioned, these two cases will be presented together.

586
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:45,640
They are under our code, if you apply for a development plan,

587
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:48,220
you can apply for a preliminary cloud at the same time.

588
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:50,160
And get them approved at the same time.

589
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,760
So that's why they're both in front of you tonight.

590
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,800
And the bulk of everything is going to be in the development plan.

591
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:06,980
all of the analysis and everything, the primary plants essentially, you know, a preliminary

592
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:07,460
plant.

593
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:10,280
So there's not much different from the two plants.

594
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:17,080
So we'll start with the development plan, and that is case PV-25001-2.

595
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:26,390
The petitioner's request is to rezone subject property about 111.98 acres from single family

596
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:35,110
residential R7 to play in single family residential PR1 and development plan approval for the reserve at the gory blocks.

597
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:38,030
A little bit about the site.

598
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:46,850
It is located at one gory drive. This is a pretty pretty infamous piece of property.

599
00:43:46,850 --> 00:43:52,430
I think a lot of people are very familiar with it that have been around the county for quite some time.

600
00:43:52,430 --> 00:44:00,290
It is currently Zone Single Family Residential R7 and is in Council District 4.

601
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:08,910
I wrote this before the new master plan got adopted, so under the old master plan it was

602
00:44:08,910 --> 00:44:14,070
the primary growth area, but under the new master plan it would probably be the urban area.

603
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:20,770
If I remember correctly on the new map, and it is serviced by the Glazed Creek Public

604
00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:23,910
and the Public Water Supplies District C1.

605
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:26,250
It's serviced by the Antonio Fire District

606
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:28,290
and rock-conship ambulance district.

607
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:31,770
It is important to note the part of the property

608
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:34,750
in questions tonight are existing buildings

609
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:36,090
that appear to be vacated,

610
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:38,710
which we'll see a little later in the photos.

611
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:43,350
On your screen here,

612
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:46,570
and kind of outlined is the piece of property.

613
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:50,350
It's approximately 1,800 feet north

614
00:44:50,350 --> 00:44:52,470
of the traffic circle,

615
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:59,810
I'm sorry, the distributes traffic to 55 south and further north to stay at Highway M.

616
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,740
The main petition includes the main parcel with the applicant acquiring an easement across another parcel that is not part of the rezoning, and on your map there, it's the little tiny leg, if you will, that kind of shoots up towards Marriott Drive that that easement would be across.

617
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:37,400
The application is a request for approval of a rezoning from a single family residential R7 to PR1 along with the development plan to permit the development of single family dwellings and a variety of lot sizes.

618
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:47,420
development includes 299 individual lots across the 118, 111 acres for rough density around 2.67

619
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:55,400
dwelling units in acre. The rezoning is required due to a lot exceeding 99 lots. The lots of

620
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,060
requirements proposed in the submitted plans substantially meet most of the requirements of the

621
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:02,340
for the single-family residential R7 district.

622
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:06,420
A little bit about the history of the property.

623
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:10,780
On your map here, you see a yellow outline in a blue outline.

624
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:13,680
Yellow outline is the property in question tonight.

625
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:17,660
The blue outline is the LaGory facility that will remain.

626
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:22,560
Later, when we get into the plan, we'll see their access point to that piece of property.

627
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:29,700
The site has been historically used for an institutional religious use for several decades.

628
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,140
The site has employed many people over the years and has been functionally operational up until recently.

629
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,120
The site development will only involve the part of the property that is falling a little bit in the disrepair.

630
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:48,940
And there is a large portion of the gallery site, the parcel outline and blue that will remain as far as we know as it is currently used.

631
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,080
There is some rather extreme topography, but it is a very big site.

632
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,480
It's 111 plus acres.

633
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,120
There's about 140 feet elevation change from sort of the southernmost portion to the northern

634
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,420
most portion of the property.

635
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:11,760
And that sort of gives you some idea, the topography of the property.

636
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,560
public utilities are readily available by the Glaze Creek,

637
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:20,620
Syr District, and Public Water Supply District C1.

638
00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:25,900
There is a stream order one that traverses part of the property,

639
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,420
that you should be aware of, east from Parked In Way.

640
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,240
The surrounding zoning is a mismatch of a lot of different things.

641
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:42,620
You have commercial frontage, primarily on metropolitan.

642
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:54,100
You have similarly dense single family residential R7, style, development, there's the parked in, and then there's the villages of Jefferson.

643
00:47:54,740 --> 00:48:00,560
There's one other neighborhood too that can not remember the name of off top of my head that kind of all surround that.

644
00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:17,560
So, there is a wide variety of zoning, but it is very similar and in line with what is proposed in this development plan, and you've of course got all of the commercial front and it's a long metro of politics.

645
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,240
The submitted in proposed development plan illustrates the development of site with a single

646
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,160
family side division across the 111 acres.

647
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,600
There are two points of access provided with a primary point of ingress in egress out

648
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,520
to Marriott and the secondary point of egress in egress out to Metropolitan.

649
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:46,680
The developer has stated that the access from Marriott is intended to be the primary

650
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:54,100
interns in the development. Some broad just overview highlights of the plan. It's 299 lots,

651
00:48:54,100 --> 00:49:01,100
lots range from 7,000 square feet to just over 13,000 square feet. They have stormwater management,

652
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,420
stormwater runoff management kind of place throughout the development. So they're kind of thinking

653
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:11,820
about where they're going to do that. You have it to access points. One of much politics and one

654
00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:13,360
Marriott, which is required,

655
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,280
those two points are the requirement of the UDO.

656
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,580
And then you do have a private access.

657
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,320
It's kind of hard to see on this plan,

658
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:23,260
but there's a little loop that comes up

659
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:26,920
from the access from Metropolitan, the private access

660
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,640
up to the Legory Facilities.

661
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,080
And the proposed development will add

662
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,840
in this complimentary of the existing neighborhood characteristics,

663
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:37,760
the development of this property fits

664
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,220
with the existing areas character.

665
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:41,480
And further solidifies the area

666
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,960
as a distinct neighborhood of place exhibiting the necessary primary and secondary uses necessary

667
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,720
unify and create a place of character and identity.

668
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,880
As any development of this size is required by our code, there was a traffic impact study.

669
00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:04,600
I won't die too deep and it's a very long study and they have their traffic engineer here tonight.

670
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:10,940
But they did look at, they actually looked at scoping 2025 conditions in 2035 conditions.

671
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,780
and there was a, in summary, there was a recommendation of a right turn lane on metropolitan

672
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:27,900
as well as minor signal timing adjustments. Those charts kind of show you the peak generation

673
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:34,900
and the directions are going in the set and that was also included in your staff report as well.

674
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,460
So, diving into the analysis,

675
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:49,260
the broad purpose of the intent of the PR1 district is as follows

676
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:55,520
this poll trait from the UTO, the plan family resident, plan single family residential district

677
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,280
is established to provide single family detached wellings at higher densities than R7, which

678
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,740
This is not really at a higher density than that.

679
00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:07,380
It's just a function of our code that anything over a hundred

680
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:10,340
lots is required to go to this PR1 district,

681
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,400
which we'll talk about in a little bit.

682
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,400
But it will allow in consideration of providing

683
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,360
more usable open space in specific,

684
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,240
or specific amenities, which is part of this project,

685
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,260
which we'll also talk about in a little bit.

686
00:51:26,770 --> 00:51:29,250
These were some elevations that were submitted

687
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:32,510
by the developer for some of the potential housing

688
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:39,330
styles. We picked kind of a smattering of what was sent to us from some bigger homes to

689
00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:46,890
some smaller single family detached homes so that was what was submitted to us from the developer.

690
00:51:49,850 --> 00:51:55,450
These are some photos from the site. This is the existing LaGory facility on the back part of that property.

691
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,060
These are some photos kind of looking at your entranceways. The far left is Metropolitan.

692
00:52:02,060 --> 00:52:11,940
the one in the middle is Marriott looking towards Parkton and then the one in the middle there is kind of the entrance back to the lagore facility.

693
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:21,980
These are the sort of general surrounding areas. You've got some commercial frontage.

694
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:30,060
You've got some athletic fields and then you've got a recently developed gas station right on metropolitan there.

695
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:33,460
Let me

696
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,420
just second here, I'm sorry.

697
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:49,270
So kind of diving into the analysis of this plan that was submitted to us.

698
00:52:49,870 --> 00:52:54,430
There's a few bullet points to hit and I'll expand upon each of these a little bit.

699
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:59,150
The first one is the character of the neighborhood in adjacent properties.

700
00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:07,170
In your staff report, there is a line by line item, my thing that we go through when we

701
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:14,090
get these plans and we kind of respond to them in part to like, what did the plan do to meet

702
00:53:14,090 --> 00:53:20,910
this, not meet this criteria? This plan meets most of these criteria laid forward by the

703
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:26,890
UDO. The first one in the character of the neighborhood, the proposed rezoning is consistent

704
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:31,610
with and complementary to the character of the neighborhood that is surrounded by single family residential

705
00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:36,890
are seven, and the lots in the proposed development all meet that 7,000 square foot minimum

706
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:39,570
in our consistent with the surrounding zoning.

707
00:53:40,890 --> 00:53:48,690
There's a mix of commercial zoning and higher intensity residential in the area, and

708
00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:55,710
they propose to use adequate facilities and infrastructure to potentially develop the property.

709
00:53:57,150 --> 00:54:03,630
The suitability of the property for the uses to which it has been restricted under the applicable zoning district regulations.

710
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:15,470
This is bullet point D. The current, the property is currently zone single-player residential R7. The lots all meet the 7,000 square foot lot minimum established by the UTO.

711
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:20,250
The 299 lock count requires both a traffic study and plan district rezoning.

712
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:26,170
If not for the requirements under section 400, 0.1175 of the UDO, the property would not

713
00:54:26,170 --> 00:54:30,810
even need a rezoning petition as it meets the criteria as currently zoned.

714
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:37,250
The effect, the suitability that kind of falls in the suitability of vacancy portion,

715
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:43,110
the property has been in use but many of the structures on the piece that is petition tonight

716
00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:51,910
is a bit of an inestated disrepair, the road network and effect on neighboring properties.

717
00:54:53,170 --> 00:55:00,890
The proposed use won't present no negative effects as a character of the property nor the developing properties.

718
00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:06,090
The traffic study was conducted to mitigate any traffic concerns that's required by the UTO.

719
00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:11,010
So it also seeks to mirror the surrounding developments in terms of scale and intensity.

720
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:17,410
The national, I'm sorry, the natural resource conservation,

721
00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:21,030
they have to meet our storm

722
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:25,690
water cone, should the property be developed, they are already thinking about those infrastructure

723
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:30,430
components that would address things like runoff and things of that nature.

724
00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:46,670
And then economic diversity, the proposed plan provides for a variety of single family housing types that aren't quite frankly seen throughout the county.

725
00:55:48,070 --> 00:55:52,310
They have provided us with the elevations and sort of what they're thinking about doing.

726
00:55:52,310 --> 00:56:12,150
And there's a, there is a modification for a lot depth with ratios to fit some of the smaller homes on to, which we'll get into in just a little bit, but they are looking at providing a different style of housing and more of a, you know, diverse community on this piece of property.

727
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:16,650
And then finally master plan conformance.

728
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:21,150
Again, this was used, this was analyzed under the old master plan,

729
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:24,310
as the new one was just approved the other night.

730
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:30,830
But in my opinion, after working on the new one and working under the old one,

731
00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:35,810
this meets both the criteria of that current, both the old master plan and now the new one.

732
00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:40,250
So it is in conformance with master plan.

733
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:50,430
modification request. They have one modification request. They are requesting to

734
00:56:51,370 --> 00:56:57,670
exceed the three to one depth with ratio requirement. The petitioner is looking to

735
00:56:57,670 --> 00:57:02,270
provide a style of home that fits on a narrower lot. These lots are located on the

736
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:07,430
eastern side of the development and consists of 54 lots. These lots are

737
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:11,190
way that provide a sense of continuity throughout the Southeast

738
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:12,490
and portion of the development.

739
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,670
It's important to note that lots still also meet the minimum

740
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:17,650
7,000 square foot.

741
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:20,750
This allows for a style home to be constructed in a lot while still

742
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:23,590
giving a future owner more yard space on their lot,

743
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:25,810
planning staff, recommends approval.

744
00:57:26,310 --> 00:57:28,910
Subject for you can subject to the conditions set forth

745
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:31,970
in the following tree preservation requirements.

746
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:36,550
So there are some additional requirements

747
00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:44,290
Once as a result of some of these that of this development that we have kind of looped

748
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:51,190
into your staff report, we want them to do a tree preservation plan and I'm not going

749
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:57,430
to go into all the details on that because it is in your staff report on kind of preserving

750
00:57:57,430 --> 00:58:03,150
as much as they can under the guidelines outlined in the staff report.

751
00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:14,530
We'd like to see as many mature trees as possible and if they can't, then they should be replaced under those guidelines that we have outlined in the staff report.

752
00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:22,890
The minimum lot with, we want to just look at the lots that they are proposing the shorter lots.

753
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:35,370
So we wrote in the staff report, you'll notice that under the other building requirements that it would only be applicable to those lots that they have presented on the plan that are longer and

754
00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:40,170
in here, all other lots shall meet a 52 foot minimum lot with.

755
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:47,790
And then finally, the sort of last big amenity requirement,

756
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:53,350
the planning staff would like to see a five-foot sidewalk

757
00:58:53,350 --> 00:58:58,730
extension and a berm around the detention and water quality basin,

758
00:58:58,930 --> 00:59:03,450
near those smaller skinnier lots, that's your access point,

759
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:11,430
that street A comes out to metropolitan just to give an amenity to the potential future residents

760
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:19,470
of the county so that's part of that so sidewalk and walking trails and then finally

761
00:59:20,250 --> 00:59:27,230
we would like to see a pedestrian connection on Marriott that shall be as follows a 12 to 14

762
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:32,970
foot path with a six foot vegetation such separation from the western entrance subject to the review

763
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:37,810
and approval of the Director of Accounting Services at this proves unfeasible than an alternative

764
00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:43,490
using utilizing a six-foot sidewalk maybe considered as a suitable replacement if so found

765
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:48,890
by the Director of Accounting Services. So those are the added amenities that we kind of

766
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:59,970
looped into this plan. So our recommendation of that case of PB25-9012 is approval subject to

767
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,980
While those conditions in your staff report, and then we'll kind of go over the preliminary

768
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:07,900
plan as well.

769
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,760
So PB25013, this is a request for a preliminary plan approval for the reserve at the glory

770
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:24,500
bus. Again, it mirrors much of what you just saw, 299 lots that range from 7,000 square

771
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:30,680
foot to over 12,000 square foot or motor runoff management and then the two proposed access points

772
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,640
when at Marriott, won at Metropolitan.

773
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:40,200
The lots, quick analysis, the lots, the plats show

774
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,320
the 299 and lots which would accommodate 299 single family homes. They range from 7,000 square

775
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,780
foot to over 13,000 square foot. There is no minimum lot, size in the PR one's own district,

776
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:54,120
is lots and sizes are approved by plan.

777
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,100
The proposed subdivision has access point shown

778
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,160
from much problem to the Marriott,

779
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,260
the number of access points with these connections

780
01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:02,960
meets the UDO standard for the development.

781
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,880
It is important to note the proposed density

782
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:10,120
2.67 units in acre falls well below,

783
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,780
what is permitted by the UDO for the PR1 district,

784
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,040
which is 16 it's an acre.

785
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,560
It also falls below the R7 standard

786
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,620
of 40 units in acre.

787
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:21,380
So that's also important to note as well.

788
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,560
So, we have recommended conditions, they follow much of what we just went over in the development plan.

789
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:33,500
It mirrors it almost, well, it does mirror it exactly.

790
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:41,020
That includes those sidewalk walking trails, amenities, true preservation landscape and requirements, traffic study improvements.

791
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,980
And then the lot size and width only being applicable to those specific lots.

792
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:55,420
And then finally, staff recommends a approval of PBT-5-0013 subject to those conditions of approval,

793
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,680
departmental comments and regulatory requirements.

794
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,080
And I will be happy to take any questions.

795
01:02:01,780 --> 01:02:02,760
Questions for staff?

796
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:09,140
It is a petition, President.

797
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:10,820
Please come forward.

798
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:11,420
Thank you.

799
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:13,960
Address, and that you have been sworn in.

800
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:19,120
And as a reminder, there is ten minutes allocated for this portion for you and any of your

801
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,320
supporting consultants.

802
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,840
Good evening, my name is Drew Weber with Hamilton Weber Law firm.

803
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:37,080
I have been sworn in and I'm here on behalf of RAL's homes for the reserve at Legory

804
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:38,400
Bluffs.

805
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,380
You could state your address, please.

806
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:44,900
Sorry, 200 North Third Street St. Charles, Missouri, 633, 01.

807
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,620
Thank you.

808
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,560
The thank you staff for the report is very thorough.

809
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,560
I will try not to repeat things that were in that report, but if we can go to the next slide

810
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:01,720
please. I did want to show this slide again because I think we're so used to looking at preliminary

811
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,880
plants and development plants that are black and white and have a bunch of lines that are

812
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,200
maybe not as helpful as a colorized plan like this and a few things I want to point out.

813
01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:17,000
There are a lot of trees and wooded areas on this side as it currently exists and everything in

814
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,760
dark green that you see on that plan right there are trees that are going to remain.

815
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,380
You can see that they predominate around the exterior of the property.

816
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:32,300
The idea is to maintain that buffer between this development and the neighboring developments.

817
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:38,280
There are some clusters, as well, of trees that will remain interior to the development,

818
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:45,900
which will provide some attractive home sites with some privacy, and then the change

819
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:50,120
and topography that we heard about in the staff report as well is going to add to some unique

820
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,440
home sites and conjunction with those wooded areas.

821
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:58,400
The, what you might call medium green that you see on there

822
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,100
are the various common ground in detention basins.

823
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:03,840
Those are also spread throughout the development.

824
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,660
There is quite a lot of common ground in addition

825
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:10,700
to the retained trees as well.

826
01:04:10,940 --> 01:04:13,440
And then the lightest green are the lots

827
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,120
with the subdivision.

828
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,640
Next slide, please.

829
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:21,810
We don't have to spend much time on this.

830
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:24,050
This reiterating what the staff said, why we're seeking

831
01:04:24,050 --> 01:04:27,590
rezoning is because there's more than 100 lots next slide.

832
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:33,950
So I do want to delve into a few of the statistics for this

833
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:39,530
development as the staff indicated there are 111.9 acres on this

834
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:45,210
property, 299 homes, that comes out to 2.67 homes per acre.

835
01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:53,230
The minimum lot size will be 7,000 square feet, the maximum lot size is over 14,000 square feet.

836
01:04:53,570 --> 01:04:56,970
And there's a mix of lots of widths in the subdivision.

837
01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:59,410
And the staff alluded to this.

838
01:04:59,890 --> 01:05:07,050
There are 160 homes at 60 feet wide lots, 83 homes at 52 foot wide lots,

839
01:05:07,090 --> 01:05:10,350
then 56 homes at 40 foot wide lots.

840
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:12,950
And the reason is when you have a large subdivision,

841
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:19,210
You want that variety of homes if all the lots of the same width all the homes are going to look the same

842
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:26,580
It's going to be less aesthetically appealing and again with a typography in this subdivision and the somewhat odd shape of the property too

843
01:05:27,330 --> 01:05:30,910
It it lends itself well to a wider mix of

844
01:05:30,910 --> 01:05:37,470
Cottage-style homes two-story dwellings ranch single-family homes as well. Next, please

845
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:45,530
There's 39.21 acres of common ground, which is more than 35% of the entire development.

846
01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:51,490
27 acres of tree canopy is going to be preserved with this development.

847
01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:58,150
Existing tree coverage will remain on 101 lots. That's a little more than a third.

848
01:05:58,390 --> 01:06:02,450
So if you think back to that first colorized site plan I showed you,

849
01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:08,850
Some of that dark green is going to be in the backyards of 101 lots.

850
01:06:09,310 --> 01:06:12,690
Now some more than others, some of the longer lots that we heard about earlier,

851
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:17,310
some of those are going to have quite a lot of tree coverage, and then some lots will have less

852
01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:23,090
existing tree coverage. But in addition, there will be 91 lots that are adjacent to common ground.

853
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:28,650
Again, we have the common ground spreads throughout the subdivision. In addition to the trees,

854
01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:33,530
along the exterior, all designed to provide some ample green space and buffer.

855
01:06:34,210 --> 01:06:39,370
There are sidewalks on both sides of the street, the access points, the staff talked about

856
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:45,270
primary, one-off-mary, secondary, off-metre pallet, and I do want to mention for the public

857
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:49,270
benefit that there are no access points to existing subdivisions.

858
01:06:49,790 --> 01:06:54,170
So this subdivision is now going to connect to any of the adjacent existence subdivisions.

859
01:06:57,050 --> 01:06:57,650
Next, please.

860
01:06:58,810 --> 01:07:01,170
I put this on here for a comparison.

861
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:04,790
So again, right now, the property is on our seven.

862
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:10,350
And not to be to dead horse, but we are resounding because there's more than 100 lots.

863
01:07:10,850 --> 01:07:13,570
But we're compliant with these main R7 standards.

864
01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:17,970
The minimum, lot size, side yard setback, rear yard setback.

865
01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:22,210
We have approximately half of what the permissible density is.

866
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:27,430
The real modification we're seeking is the lot to with ratio that the staff talked about.

867
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:31,310
But with the exception of that requirement, we are by and large

868
01:07:31,310 --> 01:07:35,090
compliant with the R7 requirements that apply to the

869
01:07:35,090 --> 01:07:36,450
property right now.

870
01:07:36,830 --> 01:07:37,430
Next, please.

871
01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,050
I did want to mention this.

872
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:43,730
You heard the staff talk about this at the end of their

873
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:44,270
report.

874
01:07:45,330 --> 01:07:49,410
We would request that this condition that there be a five-foot

875
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:54,090
sidewalk, shown in red by that particular common ground that

876
01:07:54,090 --> 01:07:59,850
it not be required, or there may be a condition that we work with staff to figure out the feasibility.

877
01:08:00,070 --> 01:08:07,650
Because the problem is, the preliminary engineering shows that there would be a three-to-one slope in that area around that detention basin.

878
01:08:08,190 --> 01:08:12,290
So there's that steep of a slope, not sure that we could actually put a sidewalk in right there.

879
01:08:13,610 --> 01:08:19,030
That's kind of a minor issue in the scale of the whole development, but we did want to mention that here tonight.

880
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:20,650
Next, please.

881
01:08:21,770 --> 01:08:23,090
And then the traffic.

882
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:28,250
Councillor, are you asking for a waiver of the Pyphid Side Walk throughout or just in

883
01:08:28,250 --> 01:08:28,670
this area?

884
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:33,210
Just at the red line shown in that area, thank you.

885
01:08:36,170 --> 01:08:43,370
The traffic study staff alluded to, so we obtained a traffic study, CBB performed the study

886
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:51,230
in the first full week of October that did traffic counts during the work week and during

887
01:08:51,230 --> 01:08:55,950
school days as well so you could pick up the work traffic in the school traffic. You can see here

888
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:59,850
all the intersections that they studied. I'm not going to list them all out, but it's all the

889
01:08:59,850 --> 01:09:06,230
intersections in the area. And you can see that the vast majority of traffic, not surprisingly,

890
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:14,510
is going to head to I-55. In fact, over two thirds of the traffic coming to and from the subdivision

891
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:20,370
in the peak hours, going to be heading towards I-55. Then the remainder is going to be heading out to

892
01:09:20,370 --> 01:09:24,730
other streets that are near the subdivision. Next, please.

893
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:30,250
Here's a chart of the peak hours.

894
01:09:30,830 --> 01:09:35,450
The traffic and the peak hours from the subdivision. I didn't want to note here that when

895
01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:42,430
the traffic study was performed, we anticipated 317 homes in the subdivision. But as I mentioned

896
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:49,070
earlier, there were 299, so we brought it down a little bit. So the traffic estimates actually

897
01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:55,930
overestimate slightly, but again, you can see here 220 total trips in the peak morning

898
01:09:55,930 --> 01:10:03,950
hour, 235 during the school dismissal hour, then 280 during the weekday PM peak hour,

899
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:08,270
with more than 2-thirds of those head-in-two from I-55.

900
01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:11,130
Next, please.

901
01:10:12,990 --> 01:10:17,890
So, in short, we ask for your recommendation for approval of this development, we believe

902
01:10:17,890 --> 01:10:20,870
this development provides multiple benefits to the county.

903
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:24,230
There's unique home sites due to the topography

904
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:28,810
and the green space and tree coverage in this area.

905
01:10:28,990 --> 01:10:31,810
There is ample green space in this development.

906
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:34,410
And then there's going to be a variety of hasn'tsack.

907
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:36,430
You saw some of the elevations.

908
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:40,170
I mean, that's maybe a third of the proposed elevations

909
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:42,210
for this development.

910
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:43,830
Since it's such a large development,

911
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:46,150
there would be a wide variety of elevations

912
01:10:46,150 --> 01:10:47,590
in different housing styles.

913
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:51,250
The, oh, I also want to mention

914
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:53,650
that we reached out to the various political subdivisions,

915
01:10:53,890 --> 01:10:55,870
the school district, fire district, soil and water

916
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:56,970
conservation district.

917
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:59,610
We got letters back from them, no opposition.

918
01:11:01,170 --> 01:11:03,750
So to our knowledge, there is no other party

919
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:06,270
that hasn't sent a letter in that is opposed.

920
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:08,850
So everything referred to as positive so far.

921
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:11,290
County staff report recommended approval.

922
01:11:11,290 --> 01:11:15,170
So again, we'd ask the you recommend approval as well.

923
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:16,750
I'm happy to answer any questions.

924
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:20,690
I also have Adam Bear with Riles here to answer questions.

925
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:23,510
Sean White was CBB and Mike Faulkner,

926
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:25,090
and was Sterling, the Civil Engineering.

927
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:28,210
They can answer questions that I may not be able to.

928
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:29,430
So I thank you for your time.

929
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:30,490
Okay.

930
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:34,550
If you have any supporting consultants that have a minute and a half.

931
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:38,510
So if there's any of your supporting consultants that would like to say anything.

932
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:40,030
I'm not sure they want to say anything.

933
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:41,950
But here we go, maybe add it to this.

934
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:45,370
Just take a second to introduce myself.

935
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:48,590
Adam Bear with Rouss Company, address is 2,200

936
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:52,570
bare station, road, ball one, zery, and yes, I've

937
01:11:52,570 --> 01:11:53,390
been sworn in.

938
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:57,230
And just excited for the opportunity here to answer any questions.

939
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:58,750
So thanks for the time.

940
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:02,500
Any other supporting consultants?

941
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:03,580
Nope.

942
01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:05,540
Questions from staff?

943
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:06,180
I'm sorry.

944
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,660
Questions from commissioners to the petitioner

945
01:12:08,660 --> 01:12:09,840
or any of his consultants?

946
01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:18,020
Mr. Chair point in order before we get to questions, maybe I didn't scroll far enough, but was this presentation in the staff packet?

947
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:19,260
I don't think so.

948
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,860
Do we need to accept an end evidence?

949
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:26,600
If you're in consider yet, so go ahead and you want to make that motion.

950
01:12:27,340 --> 01:12:30,620
And do you have, do you have that flash drive we can keep it in?

951
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:31,760
I put it on the desktop.

952
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:33,320
Thank you.

953
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:34,500
Okay. Mr. Chair, move.

954
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,120
We accept that presentation in the evidence as exhibit D.

955
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,080
I believe Mr. Kim.

956
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:48,770
Is there a second second question Mr. Mr. Metamotion do we accept the PowerPoint presentation in

957
01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:51,050
Devinence as exhibit D was second by Commissioner.

958
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:52,330
Just mail all paper.

959
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:53,250
Aye.

960
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:53,970
Opposed.

961
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:57,050
Exhibit D is accepted into evidence.

962
01:12:57,830 --> 01:13:02,350
So questions from commissioners to the petitioner or can.

963
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:03,090
Good.

964
01:13:04,270 --> 01:13:04,990
Microphone please.

965
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:09,930
There it is.

966
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:26,080
So we're getting a lot more of these type of some of these built, so as we're building some areas does not have pools or recreation centers or anything like that.

967
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:28,790
Does this have any of that?

968
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:32,630
There will not be any sort of community center.

969
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:37,370
The amenities in this area are the sidewalks and trails and in the green space.

970
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:48,730
other questions. So the conditions of approval, the only one you're wanting to not meet would

971
01:13:48,730 --> 01:13:54,850
be the sidewalk. Just that small one that's in red on that one side. Okay, thank you.

972
01:13:55,830 --> 01:14:00,230
But you did mention you were willing to work with staff to try to figure something out there.

973
01:14:01,010 --> 01:14:07,350
If it's feasible, but if it's not feasible then then there would just be nothing there.

974
01:14:08,290 --> 01:14:09,250
other questions?

975
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:13,760
All right, thank you, sir. Thank you.

976
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,380
Citizens wishing to be heard there in favor of the project. Anyone wishing to be heard

977
01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:24,880
that is in favor of the project please come forward. State your name, address, and that

978
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,240
you have been sworn in. There is five minutes allocated for this motion.

979
01:14:35,020 --> 01:14:35,500
I'm praying

980
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:37,380
in the Catholic Church and your address, please.

981
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,820
You know, address and as you've been swore.

982
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:41,360
60, 26 forestry, Kimswick, Missouri.

983
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:47,280
And I have a great history and a great honor

984
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,860
to see some of the redemptors here.

985
01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:52,080
They've been a great asset to the community.

986
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,540
They used to employ 400 people.

987
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,360
They're a little less than that now,

988
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,980
but I'm really happy that this site will...

989
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,780
He developed for families, and especially from a Catholic church standpoint as a deacon and the church

990
01:15:08,780 --> 01:15:16,300
of there. We have a lot of senior citizens who raise families in the parish. And when they get

991
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:24,620
older, they don't have an option to go find small houses. Most of the time they live like

992
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:31,080
do in a two-story house. I know in ten years I'll be looking to not have stairs in my house.

993
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:36,200
All my kids are gone. So I'm really happy that this kind of development is coming to the

994
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:42,260
community so that older people in our parish boundaries can stay within the parish boundaries.

995
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:43,320
So thanks.

996
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,320
Questions for the

997
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,520
any other citizens wish to be heard that are in favor of this project.

998
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,380
Citizens wish to be heard that are in favor of the application.

999
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,340
So this is wishing to be heard that are opposed to the application.

1000
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,200
Please come forward state your name, address, and that you have been sworn in.

1001
01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:09,880
There is 20 minutes for this portion of the hearing.

1002
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,560
No one speaker will be allowed to speak for more than three minutes.

1003
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:15,060
My name is Brother Jerry Patton.

1004
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,380
My address is 200 Legori drives.

1005
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:19,740
Legori Missouri.

1006
01:16:19,780 --> 01:16:20,820
Well, bar and heart Missouri.

1007
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:21,900
And you have been sworn?

1008
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:22,740
212.

1009
01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:23,180
Pardon me?

1010
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:24,180
And you have been sworn?

1011
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:25,280
Yes, I have.

1012
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:25,860
Please forgive me.

1013
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:28,520
I'm not against it.

1014
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,920
I should have probably got up with the event of the others to speak.

1015
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:35,800
But I'm just speaking, if you look on this page here,

1016
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:39,140
and he said that the blue part is the existing risen.

1017
01:16:39,220 --> 01:16:41,420
And that's us, they'll be down to this order.

1018
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,440
There's four of us here.

1019
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:48,240
And the redemptress, Preason Brothers Catholic Church,

1020
01:16:48,380 --> 01:16:52,080
purchased the property, the whole property in 1947,

1021
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,300
for a publication house.

1022
01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:59,600
And we've downsized the publication house.

1023
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:03,040
We saw the property on the report.

1024
01:17:03,180 --> 01:17:07,040
But we still have a healthcare center on that property

1025
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,020
and a publication house.

1026
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:12,360
There was a monastery for the electricity nuns,

1027
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:13,600
contemplative nuns.

1028
01:17:13,660 --> 01:17:14,240
It's still the place.

1029
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:17,200
What I'm trying to say is that the place is kind of a

1030
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,920
holy contemplative place where we are now.

1031
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:31,060
We've got 34 men in a health care, you know, 96 years old is the oldest down to 70s.

1032
01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:35,640
And so they're out walking, I just wondered how this is going to impact us.

1033
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:41,820
I saw he mentioned that there is going to be some trees, I think, around our border.

1034
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:48,100
Hopefully there's some kind of buffer between the backyards of these homes and our property,

1035
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:52,680
Because we have a cemetery there with 365 priests and brothers buried.

1036
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,060
And is that backyard going to be right on our cemetery?

1037
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:04,140
We've had people come in from some of the neighboring subdivisions and with four wheelers running

1038
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:05,040
across the property.

1039
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,220
We're just a little concerned, that's all.

1040
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:12,780
And we just hope that there's some kind of buffer around us and also the drive when we

1041
01:18:12,780 --> 01:18:15,860
leave the glory drive on to match the policy and both of our.

1042
01:18:15,860 --> 01:18:25,220
There's a big hill on the left when you're going north, and it can be dangerous, but we're just wondering how that's going to impact if there's going to be a right turn lane left turn lane.

1043
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:34,060
And also where that comes in, the drive that's going to be going up to the left, we're going straight and then we'll drive to the right.

1044
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:40,320
Is there going to be like three ways to stop there or something because some of our men are older driving, and it could be tough.

1045
01:18:40,660 --> 01:18:42,880
So just basically things like that, okay?

1046
01:18:44,190 --> 01:18:51,510
Okay, are there any questions for the petition, or I'm sorry for this, no? Any other

1047
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:57,650
citizens wishing to be heard that are opposed to this application? Please come

1048
01:18:57,650 --> 01:19:02,370
forward, state your name, address, and that you have been sworn in. My name is

1049
01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:05,390
Malm. Well, she beats you, so I apologize. I didn't see her. I was pointing.

1050
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:10,750
I'm sorry. My name is Malm. I'm at 2196, Wilderness Trail.

1051
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:21,170
on her Missouri 63012 and I have been sworn in so I don't know about this to the extent that

1052
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:27,030
I would like to do a little bit more research before I'm very opposed but I am going to say

1053
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:30,190
the points that I have hopefully this will be continued and I can come back.

1054
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:37,270
So for right now, big concern on traffic, okay, so I live in part in anybody who has come

1055
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:42,810
a park in my there at Marriott, right? When you pull in, well, where they're saying the main entrance

1056
01:19:42,810 --> 01:19:49,210
is going to be. If you've ever, during school hours, tried to go from that stop sign and leave,

1057
01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,730
you have to wait there for at least five minutes, because there's so many cars coming from

1058
01:19:52,730 --> 01:19:57,210
parked in, whether they're stopping at that three-way stop at the stop signs or not. It's a lot

1059
01:19:57,210 --> 01:20:03,510
of traffic. So, just like this gentleman said, is there going to be any kind of traffic lights,

1060
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:09,790
any kind of traffic, you know, a stop sign put at that bridge there for the traffic to get better,

1061
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:14,890
how are we going to better, I mean, even though there are stop signs there in front of Barton,

1062
01:20:15,170 --> 01:20:18,890
it's not going to help the flow. I mean, you'd have to put a stop sign right when it comes

1063
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:24,190
up to where that is for people to stop, right? Does that make sense? Right before Mary Adam and it's

1064
01:20:24,190 --> 01:20:32,570
a lot. So, I do understand that it said that the traffic study was done with the 318 homes.

1065
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:40,890
My question is, is why was there only 99 homes to begin with, and then 299 homes then are the extra 200 homes added?

1066
01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:42,910
Does anybody know the answer to that?

1067
01:20:44,250 --> 01:20:46,130
Was it just more land purchased?

1068
01:20:47,710 --> 01:20:49,170
We can ask the petition, but we don't know.

1069
01:20:51,370 --> 01:20:58,390
Then as far as the roundabout as well, was the timing for the light because we're already, we're

1070
01:20:58,910 --> 01:21:03,550
You're dump in 20 to 30 cars already and that round about already doesn't work.

1071
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:11,470
It's a huge problem already, so as far as that's concerned, so it says that there's

1072
01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:14,950
not going to be any negative effects to any of the neighborhoods that are adjacent.

1073
01:21:15,390 --> 01:21:19,770
I don't know how that's not a possibility with any kind of development being moved in

1074
01:21:19,770 --> 01:21:22,090
or any vegetation being cleared out.

1075
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:26,750
It's going to have effects on our homes with the tracking, with the machinery, with everything.

1076
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:28,510
And there's going to be effects.

1077
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:34,350
So from 99 to 29, that's a pretty, pretty sizable difference.

1078
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:42,170
Let's see the bottleneck that is not purchased by the developer.

1079
01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:44,730
Is that going to be taken by imminent domain?

1080
01:21:45,550 --> 01:21:49,390
Or is that going to be purchased from the people who currently own it?

1081
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:50,710
Does anybody know?

1082
01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:52,870
Again, we can ask the participants.

1083
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:53,650
Okay, okay.

1084
01:21:53,650 --> 01:21:55,390
They have to get an easement across that.

1085
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:59,030
So they have to procure an easement across that property.

1086
01:21:59,270 --> 01:22:01,050
I believe, if I'm not mistaken,

1087
01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:02,790
that property is owned by the same people

1088
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:04,050
that they're buying this property from,

1089
01:22:04,110 --> 01:22:05,170
they may be able to clarify that.

1090
01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:06,770
I think so, because I think they're here today.

1091
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:08,630
It's not.

1092
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:12,850
Well, they would have to get an easement across that property.

1093
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:13,630
Yep.

1094
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:15,850
You have about 15 seconds left.

1095
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:16,210
OK.

1096
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:21,290
And let's see a vision, a vision, a vision, a vision.

1097
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:23,610
I think that pretty much, oh,

1098
01:22:23,610 --> 01:22:27,510
I mean, that's going to dump about 600 cars into that property.

1099
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:28,270
So I mean, traffic.

1100
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:31,550
I know that the study has been done, but I mean, I would like to have it reviewed

1101
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:36,450
because there's no way that as that stands, that 600 cars coming in and out of there

1102
01:22:36,450 --> 01:22:39,350
that it's going to be feasible because it's already bad and out with how it is.

1103
01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:41,230
So, I mean, you're out of time, man.

1104
01:22:41,230 --> 01:22:41,530
Perfect.

1105
01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:41,990
Thank you, guys.

1106
01:22:42,030 --> 01:22:42,590
Can we say it?

1107
01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:44,350
Does anyone have questions for this?

1108
01:22:47,230 --> 01:22:48,730
Were you opposed?

1109
01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:50,010
I'm on a post.

1110
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:50,370
Okay.

1111
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:51,110
I just want to make sure.

1112
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:51,910
Very, thank you.

1113
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:52,950
Yeah, thank you.

1114
01:22:53,150 --> 01:22:55,290
Well, I mean, I'm not completely opposed.

1115
01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:57,110
These things just need to be addressed, right?

1116
01:22:57,210 --> 01:22:58,790
I'm opposed the way that it is now.

1117
01:22:59,850 --> 01:23:00,510
Thank you.

1118
01:23:00,970 --> 01:23:03,330
And let me clarify a couple of things.

1119
01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:07,170
Anything over 99 watts requires a traffic study.

1120
01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:10,430
The traffic study was conducted at 317 watts.

1121
01:23:10,450 --> 01:23:12,510
They scaled that back to 299 watts.

1122
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:14,930
So the traffic study actually was composed,

1123
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:18,310
looking at something that was greater than what's actually

1124
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:19,250
in front of you tonight.

1125
01:23:20,150 --> 01:23:21,810
I think that's where the 99 watts is coming

1126
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:26,350
from anything in our code over 99 requires a mandatory traffic

1127
01:23:26,350 --> 01:23:27,330
study and plan district.

1128
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:29,070
I think that's where it's coming from.

1129
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:33,030
So I wanted to clarify that for you.

1130
01:23:33,630 --> 01:23:36,190
Your name, address and as you've been sworn sir.

1131
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:38,190
Yes, my name is Paul Callahan.

1132
01:23:38,590 --> 01:23:42,890
I live at 7305 Fairfax Court and I have been sworn in.

1133
01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:43,650
Thank you.

1134
01:23:46,090 --> 01:23:50,930
I think most people, let me just read what I

1135
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:57,050
When I first moved to Jefferson County, like so many people, I was looking for more relaxed,

1136
01:23:57,770 --> 01:24:01,090
less in government and trusive, to me, rural, idyllic lifestyle.

1137
01:24:02,350 --> 01:24:08,650
At the time, there were only two larger bedroom communities here in the village, Jefferson,

1138
01:24:08,770 --> 01:24:15,450
and parked in, and the village of Jefferson tried to be a self-contained hamlet, with a lot

1139
01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:22,390
a tree buffer. I know I saw some of the graphics here. There is some tree buffer, but I

1140
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:30,130
don't think it's enough. Where I live, it drops off very steeply to the site of me is

1141
01:24:30,130 --> 01:24:34,510
coming around at the village Jefferson that they did not build up because it's an intermittent

1142
01:24:35,330 --> 01:24:39,790
washer stream. And it goes into the LaGory property.

1143
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:44,250
They seem to be building right up close

1144
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:51,330
the property line. So what I like is a little relief where they could reconfigure not have that

1145
01:24:51,330 --> 01:24:57,870
last finger that comes right close to the property line and reconfigure it. So it's all on the main

1146
01:24:57,870 --> 01:25:05,570
road. So we have more setback and there's more time for the water to get absorbed. I listen to

1147
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:12,470
the last presentation with item A where they were talking about, you know, have need more natural

1148
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:17,590
vegetation so it can start soaking some of the water in and stop it down a little bit

1149
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:19,850
and then proceed into the retention pond.

1150
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:23,570
So I'd like to see that.

1151
01:25:25,190 --> 01:25:31,650
We've had a lot of erosion behind our house, so I'm concerned about them possibly taking

1152
01:25:31,650 --> 01:25:35,950
out existing trees that would destabilize it even further.

1153
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:40,190
It drops at least 30-40 feet from the back of my house.

1154
01:25:42,090 --> 01:25:56,950
The other thing that I wanted to address was the exit in the subdivision.

1155
01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:00,150
We currently have a lot of trouble.

1156
01:26:00,510 --> 01:26:06,850
The last lady was talking about, there's sometimes a five minute delay to be able to

1157
01:26:06,850 --> 01:26:11,970
and left out of there, and I noticed from the traffic proposal all they're doing is a turn

1158
01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:20,850
in, but there's no turn out. So, Legori and the modicello are only about 100 feet from each

1159
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:28,210
other. So, I don't know how we can have two coming out within 100 feet of each other, all turning

1160
01:26:28,210 --> 01:26:34,930
left. I think there needs to be some kind of traffic light to manage some of the flow, or, you

1161
01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:40,090
not just delaying the traffic signals.

1162
01:26:45,490 --> 01:26:47,670
Thank you, you're out of time, are there questions for this system?

1163
01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:50,770
All right, thank you, sir.

1164
01:26:51,670 --> 01:26:55,090
Any other citizens wishing to be heard that are opposed to this application?

1165
01:26:56,690 --> 01:26:57,390
Please come forward.

1166
01:26:57,610 --> 01:26:59,910
Your name, address, and that you have been sworn in.

1167
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,200
I would like to submit some exhibits, please.

1168
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:05,780
Okay.

1169
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,080
Let's do that first before you can tell us who you are, and that you've been sworn in your address.

1170
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,780
I mean, I'm a name's Chris Gutterr, 8167, Fescent Drive,

1171
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:21,210
here's IBD for everybody.

1172
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:24,690
Is this doing for you, somebody?

1173
01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:25,570
Yeah.

1174
01:27:25,810 --> 01:27:27,610
Just make one for everyone, though.

1175
01:27:28,130 --> 01:27:29,110
We got one for everybody.

1176
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:29,630
Yes, sir.

1177
01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:32,290
I think we're up to E and F.

1178
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:35,860
E.

1179
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:55,240
Sorry, this is copies from the traffic study.

1180
01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:55,580
Yes.

1181
01:27:55,580 --> 01:27:56,700
Which is already an evidence.

1182
01:27:56,860 --> 01:27:58,220
I mean, we can certainly submit these.

1183
01:27:58,220 --> 01:28:01,520
but Dr. Lizardy, so I'm going to be referring to it.

1184
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,440
Sure, so it's exhibits E and F.

1185
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:07,900
Is there a motion to accept exhibit E and F and two evidence?

1186
01:28:08,660 --> 01:28:10,320
Let me just say I'm going to get these to share.

1187
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,720
Absolutely, sir.

1188
01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,260
I'll make a motion to accept it.

1189
01:28:17,260 --> 01:28:18,040
Is there a second?

1190
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:20,100
Second.

1191
01:28:20,940 --> 01:28:26,600
It's been a motion by Commissioner Sebert to accept exhibits E and F and two evidence

1192
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,940
that was seconded by Commissioner Husky, all in favor.

1193
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,320
Thank you.

1194
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:37,480
Opposed, exhibits E and F are accepted into evidence unanimously, give us just a moment

1195
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:38,080
to look over.

1196
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:39,360
And then we'll get you to start.

1197
01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:40,900
I have been sworn in, too, by the way, sir.

1198
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:41,440
I'm sorry.

1199
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:42,860
I have been sworn in.

1200
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:43,860
Yeah, that's not.

1201
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:44,500
You're good.

1202
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,780
Just give us a moment here to, I'm sorry.

1203
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,620
Just give us a moment to review the, what you presented us, and then we'll get started again.

1204
01:29:05,380 --> 01:29:06,300
Have a good.

1205
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:08,380
I'll say, okay, sir.

1206
01:29:08,820 --> 01:29:09,420
Please continue.

1207
01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:15,200
So, first and foremost, I would not be here tonight if the developer would be sticking

1208
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,460
to the 100 homes that were allocated to the property.

1209
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:24,840
If you review the traffic study exhibit A, which I have more, you'll notice that I have highlighted

1210
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,100
several key areas of concern.

1211
01:29:27,740 --> 01:29:31,680
The first is the intersection at Catland Drive and Highway M approach.

1212
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:37,360
According to the study, this intersection is currently operating at levels of service as LLSE

1213
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:43,900
during peak hours as defined in exhibit B, LOSE represents unstable flow and operation operating

1214
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:44,840
at capacity.

1215
01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:49,180
Further down the study, it's noted that traffic volumes during the study period were 40

1216
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:54,660
to 45% higher than a typical date likely due to construction or accidents on I-55 at the

1217
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:54,860
time.

1218
01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:59,940
This raises serious questions to the accuracy and representation of the data.

1219
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,880
That is in the filing. Additionally, at the bottom of the page 1, the report identifies a sign of blind issue at LaGorey Drive Intersection was been mentioned before. Also, I'd like to note that this has not been studied by an engineer according to their paperwork that was submitted to the county.

1220
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,920
And there's also an issue of stopping distance as well, which has not been addressed.

1221
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:32,140
Turning to page 2 of the study, it forecasts that the three intersections surrounding the development are expected to be at LOSE under projected future conditions.

1222
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:35,420
And I asked this forward, how is that going to be mitigated?

1223
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:41,640
And also, if this were to pass, how is LaGory and Metropolitan going to be mitigated?

1224
01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:54,640
They recommend adjustments to traffic lights, but the road can only hold so much traffic at one time due to its location and length between the roundabout,

1225
01:30:54,640 --> 01:31:03,420
Marriott Drive and the lights at m and 55. It was also mentioned that 62% of the traffic will

1226
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:09,100
be going northbound on 55. That means 62% of the traffic is only coming back onto exit to m

1227
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:14,900
to get off to go to the subdivision. There is only one lane currently that goes straight onto Metropolitain

1228
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:22,200
and I have been on that exit and almost been on 55 trying to get off and that is without this subdivision

1229
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,280
being in place.

1230
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:33,340
With that being said, if the traffic lights were mitigated, the LOSD with the minor signal

1231
01:31:33,340 --> 01:31:36,620
changes, which is still approaching unstable flow.

1232
01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:42,140
So I'd like this board to please consider those facts before proceeding.

1233
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:44,540
Thank you.

1234
01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:48,040
Thank you.

1235
01:31:48,180 --> 01:31:49,680
Thank you.

1236
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,660
Any other citizens who should be heard, please come forward state your name, address

1237
01:31:59,660 --> 01:32:01,780
and that you have been sworn in?

1238
01:32:01,780 --> 01:32:02,420
Good evening.

1239
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:04,680
My name is Hannah Jumper.

1240
01:32:04,820 --> 01:32:05,860
I live at 24.

1241
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:06,440
84.

1242
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,000
Crary Hollow Road and I have been sworn in.

1243
01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:09,840
Thank you.

1244
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,880
I'm speaking in opposition to the approval of this development.

1245
01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:17,220
I grew up in Jefferson County and my family has lived here for over 50 years.

1246
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,700
My favorite thing about living here is being surrounded by all of the nature.

1247
01:32:21,660 --> 01:32:23,280
I love the cannabis of trees.

1248
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:25,920
I'm surrounded by and the beauty throughout all the seasons.

1249
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,840
I recognize that our county is going through a period of immense growth.

1250
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:36,340
This development is going to generate a large amount of tax revenue for our county.

1251
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,080
I'm also being trained as a social worker and I'm taught to look at people in the context

1252
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,520
of their environment in order to empower them to be their best self.

1253
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:50,590
Lately, I've been learning how communities can be looked at in a similar way.

1254
01:32:50,830 --> 01:32:55,310
When I think about Jefferson County in this way, I see the place that I love to grow up,

1255
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:57,730
but I also see a place that's bursting at the seams

1256
01:32:57,730 --> 01:32:59,290
as other people have said.

1257
01:33:00,850 --> 01:33:03,870
I'm asking you to look at our community holistically with me.

1258
01:33:04,230 --> 01:33:05,950
A community that is well equipped to serve,

1259
01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:08,370
its residents has sidewalks on their roads,

1260
01:33:08,590 --> 01:33:11,670
it has reliable and affordable public transportation.

1261
01:33:13,010 --> 01:33:15,450
It has an accessible medical center nearby.

1262
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:17,650
These communities have homeless shelters

1263
01:33:17,650 --> 01:33:19,610
and robust community services.

1264
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:22,390
They also have smaller things like tornado sirens

1265
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:23,950
in etiquette street lamps.

1266
01:33:23,950 --> 01:33:27,210
They have public parks that their residents can access easily.

1267
01:33:28,090 --> 01:33:31,010
I notice our community doesn't have many of these resources.

1268
01:33:31,630 --> 01:33:33,870
I'm sure with all of this tax revenue, they would be built.

1269
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:38,110
But what are people like my family who've been living here for so long already?

1270
01:33:38,710 --> 01:33:42,350
A development like this one was built right behind my family's home up in Imperial.

1271
01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:46,890
My community seems to, my community seems to take longer each and every day.

1272
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:52,430
And honestly, it's getting a little bit dangerous with all of the additional traffic that that development has caused.

1273
01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:56,910
And as you need to think about our current infrastructure and how it would respond to an additional

1274
01:33:58,170 --> 01:34:03,090
299 families, our schools are equipped to make room, will our police and fire departments

1275
01:34:03,090 --> 01:34:07,830
have the capacity, can the local pharmacy and the post office keep up?

1276
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:12,870
I know it's unrealistic to expect this proposal to fail given this commission's past record,

1277
01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:17,410
but I'm asking you to think about the impact of this proposal and how to serve the residents

1278
01:34:17,410 --> 01:34:19,130
that have been here for so long.

1279
01:34:19,130 --> 01:34:23,530
Yeah, thank you for your time, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

1280
01:34:24,930 --> 01:34:25,690
Oh, okay, questions.

1281
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:28,910
I don't have a question, but that was great presentation.

1282
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:30,190
Thank you.

1283
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:30,750
Appreciate that.

1284
01:34:32,670 --> 01:34:33,110
Any other questions?

1285
01:34:34,030 --> 01:34:34,810
All right, thank you.

1286
01:34:35,070 --> 01:34:39,710
Any other citizens wishing to be heard that are opposed to this application?

1287
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:43,850
Please come forward, state your name, address, and that you have been sworn in.

1288
01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:48,420
My name is Susan Schweiger.

1289
01:34:48,420 --> 01:34:52,420
I live at 7-005 Randolph Drive and I've been sworn in.

1290
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:55,800
I was not prepared for this.

1291
01:34:56,020 --> 01:34:59,020
I received my notice two days ago and I've worked.

1292
01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:01,480
So I didn't have time to really go over everything.

1293
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,620
My husband and I purchased our home last year.

1294
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:11,220
And we purchased the home we purchased because directly behind it is it's just woods.

1295
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:18,380
We wouldn't have put all of our savings into a home if we knew that a subdivision was going to be developed on the property right?

1296
01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:27,120
behind us in a year. I've heard a lot of good points about the traffic. Coming off of 55,

1297
01:35:27,500 --> 01:35:32,660
I get home at rush hour every day and there have been multiple times when I've been stopped

1298
01:35:32,660 --> 01:35:39,400
on 55 and have had people almost re-rend me because they're not expecting the traffic stop because

1299
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:45,580
of the light there. I wish I had some better points but like I said I got my notice two days ago

1300
01:35:45,580 --> 01:35:51,440
and I just haven't had the time and I hope that you listened to everything everyone else has said tonight

1301
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:54,840
because I think a lot of really good points for them about it. Thank you.

1302
01:35:55,860 --> 01:36:01,520
Thank you. Are there questions? Yes, Mr. Chair. Where is your home in relation to the proposed development

1303
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:08,000
like on the North Southeast West? Where is it at? We are. You can do up-down left, right? That's okay.

1304
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:16,820
We're like towards the bottom, like there's that strip of houses. There's just a line of houses.

1305
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:24,700
the last house on that street. So, oh, that was my other point. I'm so sorry. There's a waterway

1306
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:30,200
directly behind us and with the construction, there obviously is going to be putting in

1307
01:36:31,540 --> 01:36:39,080
grass lawns and that is going to affect runoff into that and I already know that that ground right there

1308
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:46,500
is just mud like you step in it and it goes down to feet right there. So I have concerns structurally,

1309
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:51,460
I know I'm not an engineer about putting houses on that land, it just doesn't, it's like

1310
01:36:51,460 --> 01:36:52,880
building a house in a floodplain.

1311
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:54,000
So.

1312
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:54,780
Thank you.

1313
01:36:54,940 --> 01:36:55,380
Thank you.

1314
01:36:55,580 --> 01:36:55,740
All right.

1315
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:56,640
Thank you.

1316
01:36:58,670 --> 01:37:02,590
Other citizens wishing to be heard that are opposed to this application.

1317
01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:04,290
Please come forward.

1318
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:07,530
State your name, address, and that you have been sworn in.

1319
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:12,560
Is it hard if my mom comes up to you?

1320
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:12,980
I'm sorry.

1321
01:37:13,140 --> 01:37:13,860
It's the same residence.

1322
01:37:14,180 --> 01:37:14,420
Hang on.

1323
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:14,880
I got.

1324
01:37:16,980 --> 01:37:17,420
Yeah.

1325
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:18,620
If you need assistance.

1326
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:20,160
It's fine.

1327
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:25,440
Only one of you can speak at a time though. Sorry. 21 71 Parked-in-way

1328
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:30,380
It's located on the outskirts of the property being developed

1329
01:37:30,380 --> 01:37:37,220
If I'm not mistaken, I said that there's not gonna be any connection to it. Sir, and you've been sworn in. Oh

1330
01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:38,460
Sean Sebert

1331
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:43,920
This morning. You have been sworn in. I

1332
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:48,860
Can attest to the people talking about the traffic have you been sworn in? Yes, okay. Please proceed

1333
01:37:48,860 --> 01:38:12,220
I can attest to the people talking about the traffic, it is already that bad, and shortly after the property that we moved in on was gotten, even with the current population, we occasionally had kids coming over from that area, and they were littering, just minor things.

1334
01:38:12,220 --> 01:38:22,080
And I can't help but see this is also being optimistic, calling it 317 or 18 cars for

1335
01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:28,060
399 lot project.

1336
01:38:29,300 --> 01:38:33,080
If a family moves in, they're married, that's going to be 2 cars probably.

1337
01:38:33,420 --> 01:38:36,640
If they got a kid that's probably 3.

1338
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:45,260
I see that it is being somewhere between three, two, six, not likely nine hundred.

1339
01:38:49,220 --> 01:38:51,040
There's concerns there,

1340
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,900
and I've talked to people even during the summer with new

1341
01:38:56,900 --> 01:39:00,980
houses going in across the way, like behind the grocery store.

1342
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,620
And even they were talking about how they're worried about the property tax going up.

1343
01:39:05,620 --> 01:39:13,860
that's not something I've heard with anybody here, but 300 houses. I see that as also being another

1344
01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:21,340
property tax concern. So I just wanted to bring these things forward to the council, so they

1345
01:39:21,340 --> 01:39:25,440
got some idea of what other people are thinking and worried about.

1346
01:39:27,620 --> 01:39:28,720
Okay, questions?

1347
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:31,720
All right, thank you.

1348
01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:39,190
I didn't get sworn in yet. I'm sorry. I didn't get sworn in yet.

1349
01:39:39,190 --> 01:39:41,190
Okay, we'll need to sort you in.

1350
01:39:41,290 --> 01:39:42,090
You'll need to sort you in.

1351
01:39:42,090 --> 01:39:43,310
You'll need to sort you in.

1352
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:45,690
You'll need to state your name, address,

1353
01:39:46,170 --> 01:39:46,590
and then that you need to.

1354
01:39:46,590 --> 01:39:51,150
My name is Karen Seabert, and I live at 2171 Parked in Way

1355
01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:52,590
in Barhardt, Missouri.

1356
01:39:54,170 --> 01:39:55,650
And please go ahead and raise your right hand.

1357
01:39:55,690 --> 01:39:56,670
Oh, sorry.

1358
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:03,920
I do.

1359
01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:05,780
Okay, please proceed.

1360
01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:10,580
Anyway, you're fortunate because of the part

1361
01:40:10,580 --> 01:40:12,500
of the subdivision we live in,

1362
01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:22,760
is on the back side of Linguori and I live right up above the second lake and there's only

1363
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:28,740
my house and one other house until you get to the top of the hill and it turns and there's

1364
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:36,560
a bunch of other houses so we get the traffic coming off the hill and when I bought the

1365
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:44,200
else, the main reason I bought it was because it's surrounded by forest. I was a police officer

1366
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:51,020
in the city for 20 years and well, I was on there for 21 years. I just wanted the peace

1367
01:40:51,020 --> 01:40:59,680
and quiet and my mom was alive at the time I moved out here and the deer. I mean, there's

1368
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:05,220
so much wildlife that comes in off a lingory and comes into my yard, goes down by the lake

1369
01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:14,100
drink and I don't mind some taxes but I'm concerned with how many houses I'm going to put

1370
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:20,320
on here because the traffic when you get to the front of the division is a problem and they

1371
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:26,900
have two parks down there and during the ball season all the kids and all the cars are piled

1372
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:32,230
up and through there for the balls, Paul Season, and then you have the the the new

1373
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:39,300
service station is down there and the post office is down there. There's a lot of stuff.

1374
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:45,360
When I first bought the house was just the bridge to get out of our subdivision. They recently

1375
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:51,700
connected it with I believe it's considered part of the area where it runs through to the

1376
01:41:51,700 --> 01:42:02,540
other park area in the post office, but where the turn-up out sat, it's always backed up.

1377
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:06,660
The front of the subdivision is always backed up.

1378
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:12,740
I'm lucky like I said, I live in the back, but I'm concerned with all of a sudden,

1379
01:42:12,860 --> 01:42:20,540
the trees all being gone, the wildlife have no place to go, and people being stacked in

1380
01:42:20,540 --> 01:42:21,580
like they're in the city.

1381
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:25,980
I mean, the main reason I moved out here was so that, you know,

1382
01:42:26,260 --> 01:42:28,200
you could have a little bit of space in the neighbors

1383
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,260
but getting fights with each other.

1384
01:42:30,660 --> 01:42:32,400
That's the main problem with the city

1385
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,960
as people are pile on top of each other's home,

1386
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,460
much that it just creates problems.

1387
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,720
At least if you have them spaced a little further apart

1388
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,700
and you have more greenery in between that area

1389
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:49,600
and the surround areas, I think people would accept it.

1390
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:54,100
but they're just worried about there being too much crammed in too tight.

1391
01:42:57,740 --> 01:42:59,800
Does that make sense to you? Do you understand?

1392
01:43:02,020 --> 01:43:05,980
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just got back from the doctor.

1393
01:43:06,980 --> 01:43:08,160
So I don't sound right.

1394
01:43:09,940 --> 01:43:11,780
But that's my biggest concerns.

1395
01:43:13,020 --> 01:43:16,500
Right now I feel like I'm living in half and I've got all the woods in front of me.

1396
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,740
I got the woods behind me. I got one house that's close enough to get to.

1397
01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:26,400
and the other house is up at the top around the hill and all the other houses are down below the lake,

1398
01:43:27,140 --> 01:43:32,340
but they're already crammed together so tight down the lake, you know. Unfortunately, unfortunately,

1399
01:43:32,340 --> 01:43:37,920
it's troubled. I'm unfortunately, you're out of time, so I have to stop you. But thank you. Are there

1400
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:44,960
questions? Any other citizens wishing? I'm sorry, actually the time is expired. We're over our 20

1401
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:51,760
minute time limit. So that is the end of the citizens to be heard that are opposed to this

1402
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,880
application with the petitioner please come back up.

1403
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:07,760
We'll just go through one by one. The

1404
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:13,480
first thing that I wrote down was the buffer between your proposed development and the other

1405
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:18,660
little gore property with the cemetery and stuff like that. If it's okay with you, Mr. Chairman,

1406
01:44:19,140 --> 01:44:22,240
can I call it a civil engineer? He would know that better than me.

1407
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:24,500
Maybe.

1408
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:28,920
He will need to

1409
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,200
his name address and that he's been sworn in.

1410
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:32,780
For the record, my name's Mike Faulkner.

1411
01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:34,500
I'm Vice President and Sterling Engineering.

1412
01:44:35,020 --> 01:44:44,620
Office of 255, Newbomg Ardern, St. Louis 631 29, and I have been sworn in.

1413
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:45,680
Thank you.

1414
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:51,700
The question is, is the buffer between your proposed development and the cemetery and the

1415
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:52,420
Legore property?

1416
01:44:53,060 --> 01:44:54,500
We do have a buffer there.

1417
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:58,080
is actually when the property was purchased.

1418
01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:59,980
It was taken into consideration.

1419
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,320
Operation to provide a buffer from the fathers up there. So what we did is we actually located the property so that we went right

1420
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:18,820
of going back of what would be our lots. So that we had a good buffer on them so that they could control the

1421
01:45:18,820 --> 01:45:25,000
themselves, the fathers. So that's how the property was actually set up so that we could

1422
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:31,220
actually end up with a buffer on the father's property so that they felt safe that they had

1423
01:45:31,220 --> 01:45:41,140
control over that property in between their facility and the new homes. Okay. I'm going to skip

1424
01:45:41,140 --> 01:45:46,000
some of the traffic stuff and we'll come back to that because there was several of them. So my

1425
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:53,080
question just to you. I think maybe there was some confusion, but maybe not. We started out

1426
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:57,920
at 99 homes and we went to 317, now we're back to 299. If you could just kind of clear

1427
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:04,040
that up a little bit. Yes, Mr. Chair. So to be clear, there was never a proposal for 99

1428
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:15,980
homes. The UDO requires that if you have a hundred or more homes, then you have to

1429
01:46:15,980 --> 01:46:21,920
any lesser amount. The only other proposal was for 317 which we brought down to 299.

1430
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:33,820
The, there was a couple of comments about removing the lower, I'll call it the lower

1431
01:46:33,820 --> 01:46:40,460
leg of that development where it runs up in behind the other subdivision. I think if Josh,

1432
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:46,120
if you could bring him back, I think that's what they were talking about. Removing that from

1433
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:52,760
design is, is that a possibility? No, and one thing I think I like to point out is the color.

1434
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:57,960
Sorry, Jeff. Yeah, the color. I'm sorry. Sorry, Jeff. That's all right. Oh, you pass it up. Right there.

1435
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:16,100
Right there. Right there. Go ahead and I think you're looking for the, you're looking for the thing on the

1436
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:26,500
Okay, so I'll please continue, can you clarify then what part you're talking about?

1437
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:31,980
I believe, well, I believe it was that the lower leg there towards the bottom of the screen,

1438
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:39,740
I assume the map is oriented in Norse, I'll call it on the southern southwestern south eastern edge.

1439
01:47:39,740 --> 01:47:46,960
Well, not to make him go back and forth between maps, but if you visualize, maybe the other one that he first went to.

1440
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:55,340
When you have a large property like this, I know all the distances look small, looks like everything's packed together when the houses are right on top.

1441
01:47:55,860 --> 01:48:01,400
But it's not, I mean, we're talking about depending on where specifically they're thinking,

1442
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:10,240
There can be as many as several hundred feet down there between the houses on either side of the property boundary.

1443
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:16,840
So it isn't a scenario down there where you've got a house and then 40 feet or 50 feet in another house.

1444
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,560
If I'm talking about the same area that I think they're talking about.

1445
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:23,200
Okay,

1446
01:48:26,540 --> 01:48:27,740
erosion and water concerns.

1447
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,820
There was two comments about erosion, water concerns, and water runoff.

1448
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:37,100
If you would like to address some of your stormwater mitigation plans that you have in

1449
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:37,480
place.

1450
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:42,320
Yes, I can speak generally, and then if there are specific questions, I know the engineer

1451
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:43,480
could speak more broadly.

1452
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:49,760
But right now when you have a property like this, storm, you know, rain happens, stormwater

1453
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,140
just flows over the land and it flows where it flows.

1454
01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:58,780
When you have subdivisions like this, we are collecting the storm water from the impervious

1455
01:48:58,780 --> 01:49:04,900
services, right, and collecting it in the various detention basins on the property, which

1456
01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:06,960
then have a measured release.

1457
01:49:07,580 --> 01:49:13,860
So the water that's collected is not going out at the, so one earlier said, four inches

1458
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:15,960
in two hours, I think, for that first variance.

1459
01:49:17,020 --> 01:49:21,660
If that's happening on a subdivision with basins, it may be raining that hard, but it's

1460
01:49:21,660 --> 01:49:26,000
discharging that heart because it's collected in the basins and discharged at the measured rate.

1461
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,200
Can you go back to the green map?

1462
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:32,320
Yeah.

1463
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:40,060
There was one that was bigger.

1464
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:42,020
Okay.

1465
01:49:42,020 --> 01:49:42,040
Yeah.

1466
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:44,600
Okay. All right. I'm sorry.

1467
01:49:44,780 --> 01:49:48,140
No, I have the slightly larger one.

1468
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,420
Okay, so this is a preliminary plat, but

1469
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:56,980
where you have the detention basins in will that number stay consistent and

1470
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:01,740
the areas that you have them drawn in here will, will that stay consistent?

1471
01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:05,140
Let me call Mike Falkin, I'm back up here.

1472
01:50:07,890 --> 01:50:09,390
Yes, they should stay consistent.

1473
01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:13,610
Will we develop this subdivision in this preliminary plot?

1474
01:50:13,730 --> 01:50:17,670
What we do is we look at the overall drainage for this site.

1475
01:50:18,430 --> 01:50:26,810
And as staff is alluded to, it's a lot of topographic restraints that's here on this.

1476
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:32,590
Well, it provides is little water shits and we have to map out each one of those little

1477
01:50:32,590 --> 01:50:37,730
water shits and we have to provide the detention and water quality for each one of those

1478
01:50:37,730 --> 01:50:38,790
water shits.

1479
01:50:39,190 --> 01:50:44,450
So what we've done is demonstrated that on this preliminary plan and that will also be reviewed

1480
01:50:44,450 --> 01:50:50,610
by your stormwater people, but the whole goal is to be able to control all the stormwater

1481
01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:55,810
on-site in smaller little areas instead of the whole raw pitch,

1482
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:58,290
or we look at the individual areas to make sure

1483
01:50:58,290 --> 01:51:00,190
that we're controlling all the stormwater.

1484
01:51:01,610 --> 01:51:02,670
OK, thank you.

1485
01:51:03,710 --> 01:51:04,610
Next up,

1486
01:51:07,050 --> 01:51:08,490
there was a concern about density.

1487
01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:12,270
I realized that your proposed development

1488
01:51:12,270 --> 01:51:15,870
is only about half as dense as you could be approximately.

1489
01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:21,230
But would you like to speak to the density of this proposed subdivision?

1490
01:51:23,050 --> 01:51:29,250
So you're correct that our proposal is about half of what's allowed in the R7.

1491
01:51:29,410 --> 01:51:36,170
And in fact less than half of what's allowed in the PDR1 at 2.67 just as a reminder.

1492
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:42,790
And again, I think when you have a big parcel like this on these small maps,

1493
01:51:42,790 --> 01:52:00,370
It may look more dense than it is, but the lot size and density is basically exactly the same as the subdivisions on the north, west, so top left I guess of what you're looking at there, which are also zone R7.

1494
01:52:02,150 --> 01:52:06,830
And would you like to speak towards the concern of property taxes increase?

1495
01:52:07,550 --> 01:52:08,990
It's not really a land use issue.

1496
01:52:09,410 --> 01:52:10,070
I'm sorry.

1497
01:52:10,410 --> 01:52:12,430
That's not a land-to-use issue.

1498
01:52:13,490 --> 01:52:14,290
I'm just...

1499
01:52:14,290 --> 01:52:15,770
This isn't brought to question up.

1500
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:17,630
But that doesn't mean you have to ask the question, either.

1501
01:52:18,130 --> 01:52:18,570
I'm sorry.

1502
01:52:18,850 --> 01:52:20,410
But that doesn't mean you have to ask the question either.

1503
01:52:20,510 --> 01:52:20,970
It's up to you.

1504
01:52:21,170 --> 01:52:25,330
But I would advise you to stay away from matters that are not specifically land-use matters.

1505
01:52:25,850 --> 01:52:25,910
Okay.

1506
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:27,450
You're all heard.

1507
01:52:28,250 --> 01:52:31,170
So what we have left is a whole bunch of traffic stuff.

1508
01:52:31,530 --> 01:52:32,290
And I will be murdered.

1509
01:52:32,290 --> 01:52:32,350
And I will be murdered.

1510
01:52:35,690 --> 01:52:37,070
And I will be murdered.

1511
01:52:37,070 --> 01:52:38,970
this or if not, Mike probably can.

1512
01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:44,050
There was a question about, I believe, about the entrance onto Marriott Lane, and I think

1513
01:52:44,050 --> 01:52:50,630
there is some confusion about your access rights to there, if somebody could address that.

1514
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:55,860
Yeah, I can.

1515
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:56,340
I'm sorry.

1516
01:52:56,540 --> 01:53:03,340
We actually went met with the property owners on that, and we were caught and acquired

1517
01:53:03,340 --> 01:53:06,780
an easement for the construction of that road.

1518
01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:18,600
So we already have a deeded easement for us to get out on to Marriott Road and I believe actually I believe the this G. I

1519
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:23,920
Kind of GIS I believe already even shows that because I was on the GIS earlier today

1520
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,700
And I believe it even shows that the path of that easement

1521
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:34,210
Okay, okay traffic

1522
01:53:39,230 --> 01:53:42,370
please state your name address and that you have been sworn in

1523
01:53:44,430 --> 01:53:53,910
Sean White, 12, 12, 12, 12, 4, 0, 0, all the blue of our zip code, 6, 3, 1, 4, 1, and I have been sworn in.

1524
01:53:54,590 --> 01:54:03,480
And you are, sorry for what you are a professional engineer.

1525
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,440
I know that I'm established in a baseline to go with you.

1526
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:10,400
You are an engineer correct?

1527
01:54:10,540 --> 01:54:12,180
I feel very qualified for this position.

1528
01:54:12,180 --> 01:54:17,000
So yes, I am a professional engineer, a professional traffic operations engineer.

1529
01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:20,160
I've been in the business for nearly 30 years.

1530
01:54:20,620 --> 01:54:23,840
I've been a resident of Jefferson County for almost 25 years.

1531
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,420
And I live about a mile from where this is at.

1532
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:28,680
So I'm intimately familiar with this site.

1533
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:33,560
So I'm sure that you heard some of the concerns about the traffic patterns,

1534
01:54:35,340 --> 01:54:39,500
expanding on the traffic patterns, the bottleneck,

1535
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:51,700
The bottlenecking of traffic traffic light concerns will come back to the LOSD and LOSD stuff because I have some questions about that.

1536
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:57,820
And then there was a concern or a question about ball season traffic.

1537
01:54:59,020 --> 01:55:00,180
Ball season.

1538
01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:04,300
Ball season traffic or high school baseball or was.

1539
01:55:05,220 --> 01:55:07,440
So I'll open it up to you.

1540
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:22,820
So I will just give a brief introduction, I mean, I think we all know with any development you expect there to be traffic, so our purpose is to provide an unbiased assessment of what that impact will be and then if necessary make recommendations to make it work.

1541
01:55:24,300 --> 01:55:35,320
So as part of that process we meet with the county we meet with Modad from the very beginning to sit down and get our direction from them on what intersections they went looked at, you know, just everything that goes into the study.

1542
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:39,920
We provide them all of our assumptions for where we think traffic will go to and from

1543
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:49,800
Get their approval of that the trip generation for this site all that gets approved by those agencies and then we go through the analysis and then we submit everything back to them for their review and approval

1544
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,520
so it's definitely not

1545
01:55:52,580 --> 01:55:59,960
You know, done in a box somewhere. I mean, it's it's hand in hand working with modatt and the county to go to go through this process

1546
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,300
So yes, I mean, there is I mean this area

1547
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:11,620
I mean, there is traffic, especially during the peak hours, I mean, you're going to have traffic.

1548
01:56:12,900 --> 01:56:20,880
When we look at operations, we're looking at things to operate at overall level of service D during the peak hours.

1549
01:56:21,740 --> 01:56:27,600
That means you may have individual movements that do operate at level of service E or even level of service F.

1550
01:56:27,820 --> 01:56:33,660
That's pretty common that you might have a left turn or a side street approach or something that doesn't.

1551
01:56:33,660 --> 01:56:38,700
them might operate poorly, the idea is that the overall intersection operates a D, which every

1552
01:56:38,700 --> 01:56:44,160
single intersection that in our study area does operate an overall level service D, most of them

1553
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:49,640
better than that. So we are meeting that. And then we did bake, you know, when we look where we

1554
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:55,080
ran a D of few issues, when we got to the 10-year scenario. So when we look, you know, 10 years out,

1555
01:56:55,440 --> 01:57:00,260
and we assume a growth rate, you know, based on historical counts and working with a motor on

1556
01:57:00,260 --> 01:57:06,600
to use for that. You know, we assume global growth growth in the area and we reanalyze everything.

1557
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:12,060
There were some deficiencies that came out of that. And generally, you know, a lot of things

1558
01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:16,300
can be fixed with simple signal timing. You know, adjusting timing. If you have an intersection

1559
01:57:16,300 --> 01:57:21,840
that's set with certain seconds allowed for each approach or each movement and you have

1560
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:26,300
something come along that adds a lot of traffic to a certain movement. If you don't adjust the

1561
01:57:26,300 --> 01:57:33,000
means it's going to be a problem. So mode out typically revisit signal timings after any substantial

1562
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,820
development, you know, they're open to looking at those as well as probably every five to 10 years.

1563
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:42,640
They're just looking at that anyway because things change. So when you get into that 10-year scenario,

1564
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:48,280
you know, I coming up there, I get off at Highway M, I come down that ramp every day myself.

1565
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:54,400
So, you know, I think we talk about there about providing more time to that movement,

1566
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:58,560
So that it can't clear out and we don't back up toward the highway.

1567
01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:02,620
So those are a couple of recommendations that are in there at Catalan.

1568
01:58:03,060 --> 01:58:04,600
You know, that level of service E that approaches.

1569
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:09,160
I think it's 58 seconds was the approach of Catalan Road at Highway M.

1570
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:11,900
55 is a cutoff between D and E.

1571
01:58:11,980 --> 01:58:15,100
So it's just barely even in E.

1572
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:19,040
But again, a couple of seconds shift here there can fix that

1573
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,340
and still keep the intersection overall level of service D.

1574
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:23,180
So there are things there that can be done.

1575
01:58:23,180 --> 01:58:27,900
I actually was just talking with Modet today on this and they were wanting to look at the files,

1576
01:58:28,140 --> 01:58:32,000
so they could kind of look at some of those signal timing adjustments that may need to be needed.

1577
01:58:32,260 --> 01:58:39,200
But again, that was a 10-year scenario where we're looking at what might need to be done in 10 years,

1578
01:58:39,420 --> 01:58:42,780
if, you know, the area continues to grow grow like that's growing.

1579
01:58:46,620 --> 01:58:47,100
So

1580
01:58:49,660 --> 01:58:55,020
one of the things I think, I feel like our studies are pretty conservative

1581
01:58:55,020 --> 01:58:58,100
And the, you know, one, we did 317 homes and it's $2.99.

1582
01:58:58,340 --> 01:58:59,260
That's not a big deal.

1583
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:03,160
That's about 6% lower than what we have.

1584
01:59:03,380 --> 01:59:09,120
But what I did notice is that, I mean, all of us who live out here know that when things are going on in the construction zone,

1585
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:15,160
there's days where everyone's bailing off of 55 at M to either, you know,

1586
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:18,480
jump over and take 67 down or to take metropolitan down.

1587
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:23,000
And so when we got into some issues because I'm familiar with it,

1588
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,660
When we got into some of the results at the roundabout and what it was showing for cues,

1589
01:59:26,820 --> 01:59:32,140
I'm like, that just doesn't seem right based on my daily experience and what I see out

1590
01:59:32,140 --> 01:59:32,940
there.

1591
01:59:33,180 --> 01:59:36,600
And so we went back out and we had collected some speed data on metropolitan.

1592
01:59:37,780 --> 01:59:41,220
And when we did that, we collected data over a period of four days.

1593
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:47,140
So we had speed data basically Monday through Friday monitoring the speeds on metropolitan near

1594
01:59:47,140 --> 01:59:49,820
the glory drive and that also counts cars.

1595
01:59:49,940 --> 01:59:51,460
I mean, it does speed in it counts cars.

1596
01:59:51,460 --> 01:59:56,280
So I went back and looked at those counts and over those course of four days that southbound

1597
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:59,420
volume of metropolitan was the average was 575.

1598
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:22,000
The day we counted it was over 800. You know, so because of things that were going on on 55 and everyone bailing, so the volumes that are in this study that everything is based up of and all the analysis shows are volumes that are about 40% higher on the day we counted versus what it was the other week when we kind of for whole days.

1599
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:28,240
So I think when a lot of this construct with this construction gets done, we won't have as many fluctuations like that.

1600
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:37,820
You're still going to have cases where if there's a crash and hopefully got to help there's less crashes when they get this, you know, project done and that won't happen as much, but it will fluctuate like that.

1601
02:00:37,860 --> 02:00:44,940
But I do think we, we have a study where volumes are almost 40% higher anyway and we can still show things can work.

1602
02:00:45,380 --> 02:00:51,800
Of course, when we look at it, we did some sensitivity analyses if you've read through this long report toward the end that in the tenure conditions.

1603
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:56,940
if we bump those volumes down to what would be more normal, there was no occurrences of

1604
02:00:56,940 --> 02:01:02,480
the round about backing up or, you know, tie a way in.

1605
02:01:06,430 --> 02:01:13,490
You're reports stated that, I'm looking forward, but anyway, that during the peak time,

1606
02:01:13,690 --> 02:01:24,030
you were an LOSE, and we were handed an exhibit F that gives us the definitions of the LOSD

1607
02:01:24,030 --> 02:01:34,870
and LOS-E, LOS stands for level of service, LSD is approaching an unstable flow, and LOS-E is an unstable

1608
02:01:34,870 --> 02:01:37,750
flow operating at capacity, or those correct?

1609
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:41,860
Those definitions are the definitions, correct?

1610
02:01:42,900 --> 02:01:49,140
And then in your report, you stated that during the peak time,

1611
02:01:51,250 --> 02:01:52,930
it's a very first bullet point

1612
02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:55,990
in your report approach

1613
02:01:58,260 --> 02:02:03,300
at Highway N, which operates at LLSE during the PM peak hour.

1614
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:09,440
How long does that PM peak hour last, and is that the only time that that intersection

1615
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:13,220
or that particular stretch is at that LLSE?

1616
02:02:14,060 --> 02:02:18,500
Yes, that again, I mean, in page 19 of the report, that's what that's for all of these

1617
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:23,880
level of service rad and the seconds associated with that, you know, are on that table

1618
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:24,220
there.

1619
02:02:24,220 --> 02:02:29,780
And again, it's a level of service D is what's considered the goal for the overall intersection.

1620
02:02:30,740 --> 02:02:36,360
And so when we talk about the one that you're mentioning, that's the southbound approach of Catland drives,

1621
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:44,500
so coming from Walgreens and that side, that approach was 56.7 seconds, and with the development,

1622
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:52,400
it went to like 58. You know, so cutoff is 55. It's just barely in E and E is just that.

1623
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:59,520
The overall intersection is a D, so it's just one of those things where that's not considered

1624
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:00,580
a failing condition.

1625
02:03:00,740 --> 02:03:04,360
I mean, it's just saying, hey, they have to wait a couple of seconds longer.

1626
02:03:06,260 --> 02:03:06,260
D,

1627
02:03:08,860 --> 02:03:11,100
let's put your answer on anything you'd asked.

1628
02:03:11,820 --> 02:03:12,220
Oh, how long?

1629
02:03:12,340 --> 02:03:13,980
The PMP Gower is one hour.

1630
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:21,000
So the AMP Gower is, we kind of traffic from 6 to 9 in the morning, and then we take the highest

1631
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:24,220
hour and that's three hour time period, and that's what we analyze.

1632
02:03:24,220 --> 02:03:29,840
And then in the afternoon, we kind of between two and six PM to make sure that we, you know,

1633
02:03:30,180 --> 02:03:32,760
also considered could the school times be higher.

1634
02:03:32,940 --> 02:03:38,380
You know, so we kind of from two to six PM and we took the highest hour within that four hour time period.

1635
02:03:38,380 --> 02:03:39,180
And that's what we analyzed.

1636
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:45,600
So yes, operations would be presumably better than that all the rest of the day.

1637
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:47,000
Okay.

1638
02:03:47,780 --> 02:03:49,540
That is all of the notes that I had.

1639
02:03:49,820 --> 02:03:51,960
The other commissioners have any other, please go ahead.

1640
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:58,240
I'm just reading the last line on your report and it's no improvements beyond signal timing modifications

1641
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:01,660
are expected to be necessary in 2035 conditions.

1642
02:04:02,900 --> 02:04:05,920
So for the next nine years will there need to be any modifications?

1643
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:11,820
I mean, not as a result of what this development correct.

1644
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,740
Okay, that's why I just want to make sure I drill down.

1645
02:04:14,740 --> 02:04:19,720
In the 2025 we talked about the right turnling that's warranted in some of those things,

1646
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:23,740
but in the 10-year condition, the only difference between 2025 and 2035

1647
02:04:23,740 --> 02:04:28,060
was looking at some signal timing adjustments at the signals.

1648
02:04:28,580 --> 02:04:30,800
So the assets, really, no traffic issues.

1649
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:33,360
They're no expected traffic issues whatsoever

1650
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:34,640
from this new subdivision.

1651
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:38,440
From this subdivision, no.

1652
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:41,640
OK, that's what it's accommodated with what's there

1653
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:43,240
and with making some of these tweaks.

1654
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:47,340
It's accommodated within acceptable ranges for level of service.

1655
02:04:47,540 --> 02:04:48,160
OK, thank you.

1656
02:04:49,580 --> 02:05:02,900
other questions? Yes, please, good. So one of the citizens talked about a number of cars, and I think maybe confused that a little bit with number of trips. And so we have the benefit of reading these reports a couple times a month.

1657
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:08,400
Can you explain why you count number of trips during a peak hour versus number of cars in this subdivision?

1658
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:12,400
So if we're talking about the trip generation for the site.

1659
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:18,220
So, as traffic engineers, there's the Institute of Transportation Engineers, which is a national

1660
02:05:19,220 --> 02:05:24,700
international organization that has what's called the Trips Generation Manual, which

1661
02:05:24,700 --> 02:05:27,280
you either permit state of the time that's like our traffic engineer Bible.

1662
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:32,540
So there are hundreds and hundreds of land uses in this, one of them being single family residential.

1663
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:39,480
And so that one land use, there are counts that have been done at subdivisions, hundreds

1664
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:40,200
of subdivisions.

1665
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:41,280
This is one of the land uses.

1666
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:45,300
Some land uses might have, they might be based on 10 studies or 20 studies.

1667
02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:48,540
Single-family residential is based on hundreds of studies.

1668
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:49,780
I mean, there's several.

1669
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,700
So hundreds of subdivisions have been counted to say,

1670
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:54,640
okay, there's 200 homes in this subdivisions.

1671
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,760
Here's what it generated in and out in the AM and in the PM.

1672
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:59,260
There's 300 homes in this one.

1673
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:00,800
Here's what it generated in and out in the PM.

1674
02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:03,640
And all those things are average to generate an equation

1675
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:07,420
that tells me I plug in 317 homes and it spits out

1676
02:06:07,420 --> 02:06:08,420
what it's going to generate.

1677
02:06:08,420 --> 02:06:12,900
So it's not, you know, we can all think of how I can think of my house operates. I have three

1678
02:06:14,020 --> 02:06:19,660
I have three, I have three drivers in my house. My husband and I, you know, he works at home. I don't leave till after nine

1679
02:06:19,660 --> 02:06:25,740
I don't get home till after six. So we'd regenerating nothing during that peak time. My kids aren't, you know

1680
02:06:25,740 --> 02:06:29,900
I have one this getting up and leaving. So when you while yes throughout the day

1681
02:06:29,900 --> 02:06:32,340
We're gonna generate traffic when you're looking at that one hour

1682
02:06:32,340 --> 02:06:37,720
We're analyzing you don't have two cars for every house all get up and walk out and get in their cars and leave

1683
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:43,660
I mean, it's just, you know, so the trip generation that we use is based off of hundreds of studies to come up with that.

1684
02:06:43,860 --> 02:06:46,320
And, and it's for just the one hour.

1685
02:06:46,620 --> 02:06:48,140
Just one hour.

1686
02:06:48,580 --> 02:06:48,960
Great.

1687
02:06:49,380 --> 02:06:50,460
Thank you.

1688
02:06:51,300 --> 02:06:51,820
Those are questions?

1689
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:56,260
All right. Thank you.

1690
02:06:56,560 --> 02:07:01,000
Discussion amongst commissioners, questions for staff, motion to approve or deny?

1691
02:07:11,940 --> 02:07:14,080
Well, I guess we, I, this is discussion.

1692
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:20,920
So, they can already build the houses already because it's already sewn appropriately for a subdivision, correct?

1693
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:29,580
So, we're not really denying anything if we choose to deny. They can already build a higher density subdivision that was proposed.

1694
02:07:32,260 --> 02:07:35,480
Not to 100 homes, because it's kept at 100 homes.

1695
02:07:35,860 --> 02:07:37,100
Yeah, there's an NR7.

1696
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:39,680
Okay, I want to make sure I put all my pieces together.

1697
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:43,000
Yes, they could build a subdivision there.

1698
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:47,000
they're asking for a zone resonant to build more houses,

1699
02:07:47,580 --> 02:07:50,660
but not to the maximum density allowed.

1700
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:53,640
For either zone district to be clear,

1701
02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:57,240
it doesn't meet the density of the R7 standards,

1702
02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:58,680
or the PR1.

1703
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:00,840
So what is currently zone today,

1704
02:08:00,980 --> 02:08:02,520
it doesn't even meet that density standard.

1705
02:08:03,140 --> 02:08:05,140
And so just to be clear about that.

1706
02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:06,660
And Josh, what would it be, accurate?

1707
02:08:08,420 --> 02:08:09,220
But Mr. Weber,

1708
02:08:12,980 --> 02:08:12,980
thank you.

1709
02:08:12,980 --> 02:08:17,300
of the neighborhood that's proposed, matches the surrounding neighborhoods, is that accurate?

1710
02:08:17,420 --> 02:08:18,860
In general, yeah.

1711
02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:28,840
So fellow commissioners, everyone in the county always talks about

1712
02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:33,160
any affordable housing, any place to live. We got families, we got people growing,

1713
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:37,020
and that's what this proposal is in front of us here tonight.

1714
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:45,360
The landowner wants to change the zoning to get a permitted land use that solves

1715
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:50,900
a problem this county complains about constantly, balancing that with the difficulty of trying

1716
02:08:50,900 --> 02:08:55,020
to preserve the rule nature of this county is difficult.

1717
02:08:56,780 --> 02:09:02,080
But I think we've learned in the past that not everybody wants ten acres in a brush hog.

1718
02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:08,240
Some people, you know, want their three-quarter acre lot and they're all more.

1719
02:09:09,460 --> 02:09:13,120
Can I jump in just make a quick comment so you know, because I think you said part that we

1720
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:18,560
really haven't talked about. We also have true preservation replacement as part of this. So that was largely

1721
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:24,300
in due to knowing where we were with the master plan, as well as making sure that part of that

1722
02:09:24,300 --> 02:09:31,600
goal was to keep that character correct. So this is the first project that you've seen with that requirement

1723
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:37,700
on there. And that was what the Calipers measure in the trees. The whole thing. Yes.

1724
02:09:37,700 --> 02:09:41,260
Okay, not done to exceed 200 caliper inches per acre.

1725
02:09:41,480 --> 02:09:44,000
It's about 80 trees at two and a half inch caliper.

1726
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:44,940
Yeah, that was fun reading.

1727
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:49,860
Well, you're welcome to that, that's even more fun to write.

1728
02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:52,240
You know, we did talk about the density.

1729
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:53,160
That was a joke.

1730
02:09:54,020 --> 02:09:56,360
We talked about the density a little bit under the R7

1731
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:59,580
and if you went, 16 is per acre.

1732
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,480
That's a permitted density of about 670 homes.

1733
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:07,260
Okay, so just so you know,

1734
02:10:07,260 --> 02:10:09,200
put that in perspective when you're averaging

1735
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:12,480
outright about two per acre, I mean, that averages out.

1736
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,500
There's a lot of common ground here too, right?

1737
02:10:15,700 --> 02:10:17,920
Obviously, some of these are just comments.

1738
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:20,620
So you guys understand we would never bring an application

1739
02:10:20,620 --> 02:10:23,620
forward to if the access was not locked down legally.

1740
02:10:24,420 --> 02:10:27,080
We would not do that, especially in a condition like this

1741
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,720
where two access points are required per code for the number

1742
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:31,200
of units that we've got.

1743
02:10:32,140 --> 02:10:35,020
And then lastly, I want to tell you even more fun

1744
02:10:35,020 --> 02:10:36,880
than reading through the preservation language

1745
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:42,080
is sitting through a scoping session for a traffic impact study and listening to all the transportation

1746
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:47,840
engineers, no offense, Sean, go through minutia of growth rate details for a ten year growth

1747
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:53,840
period. Because that is a giant part of when we scope that out and mode out is on the, you know,

1748
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:58,620
they are on those meetings with us and they go again like Sean said they are an intimate part of

1749
02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:03,600
this, especially when we do touch a county of state, when one of the access points touches a state access

1750
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:09,600
road, and that's part of the system, but there is a lot of discussion about what growth

1751
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:13,440
rates to use moving forward. And we're still, we still have a very low growth rate when

1752
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:18,740
you think about what we have over that over that 35 period. But what that means is, you know,

1753
02:11:18,820 --> 02:11:23,560
this subdivisions find everything recommended in here are the systemic improvements to facilitate

1754
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:30,200
and manage that current condition of traffic as it absorbs, right? So it mitigates any of the

1755
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:36,640
packs that are generated from this subdivision, but then you keep looking out okay at what point

1756
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:42,360
do we need to make larger impacts and it's passed that 2035 on the growth projection. Obviously

1757
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:46,880
we know more growth is going to happen in this area, but it has a little bit more challenges on

1758
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:52,240
what's left to develop than some of the other areas, right? So that's just kind of how you guys

1759
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:54,960
can understand how that plays out a little bit in those discussions.

1760
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:59,640
Josh, one of your conditions

1761
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:06,020
of approval was the decide walk in that burn area and then a petitioner stated that that would

1762
02:12:06,020 --> 02:12:08,500
be tough to do because it's a three-month slope.

1763
02:12:10,980 --> 02:12:13,080
Can you talk a little bit more about that?

1764
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:20,460
Yeah, I actually looked at the grading lines are, you know, the pros grading lines are pretty

1765
02:12:20,460 --> 02:12:28,340
intense. You know, short of I would like to see something like that either there or somewhere else

1766
02:12:28,340 --> 02:12:30,960
the project personally.

1767
02:12:33,080 --> 02:12:37,060
Maybe the grade doesn't work there and maybe that's because obviously

1768
02:12:37,060 --> 02:12:43,440
you can't have sidewalks going down that steep of a grade. But we just thought it would be a nice

1769
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:49,480
focal piece coming in the development from that entrance but we would like to see if that

1770
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:52,000
amenity doesn't work somewhere else in the development.

1771
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:57,170
As opposed to waving the requirement,

1772
02:12:57,170 --> 02:13:02,530
you can say, you know, if like some of the other ones we've built in where you can do this,

1773
02:13:02,610 --> 02:13:08,750
but if it's unfeasible then the director has. Yeah. So that way, we can keep the spirit of the intent

1774
02:13:08,750 --> 02:13:14,110
of that. The intent was not to have just a detention basin located on one of your access points.

1775
02:13:14,630 --> 02:13:19,810
Okay. And to be quite frank with you and you leave it up to the director to design things for you,

1776
02:13:19,850 --> 02:13:25,110
this is what happens, the director and the planning staff, because we just had that little v-notch

1777
02:13:25,110 --> 02:13:28,850
come down. We wanted to see something happen in that area. So I think if you'd be comfortable

1778
02:13:28,850 --> 02:13:34,110
saying, you know, this, this is the requirement or if proved unfaizable, something that

1779
02:13:34,110 --> 02:13:39,070
meets this intent, you know, subject to the review and approval of the director, you know,

1780
02:13:39,070 --> 02:13:42,570
I think that would cover that. And like Josh said that may allow us, you know, we want to,

1781
02:13:42,570 --> 02:13:46,770
we want to keep that, we want to keep these, you know, the improvements associated with this,

1782
02:13:47,090 --> 02:13:51,770
should you, should you guys, go down this path of approval to make sure we get that, but then

1783
02:13:51,770 --> 02:13:56,470
We have some flexibility that if there is truly something that prohibits that we can get something

1784
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:58,490
that is going to meet the intent.

1785
02:13:58,830 --> 02:13:59,730
That makes sense.

1786
02:14:02,740 --> 02:14:03,520
Other discussion?

1787
02:14:04,760 --> 02:14:05,980
I just like to say something.

1788
02:14:08,060 --> 02:14:10,680
Everybody knows I'm a big proponent of green spaces.

1789
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:18,300
I see the subdivision and how they're putting in, or leaving in those green spaces and

1790
02:14:18,300 --> 02:14:21,140
then adding walking trails, things like that.

1791
02:14:21,140 --> 02:14:48,120
A lot has been discussed in Jefferson County about the beauty, the nature of Jefferson County and how we can retain that, but also bring in people who do want to live here, and the diversified people that live in Jefferson County, you know, that are, you know, they don't need a five bedroom house anymore as discussed and seeing that kind of diversification inside of a subdivision to me is something I think is is really good and, you know, a lot has been discussed, you know,

1792
02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:50,420
we're building too much, we're building too fast,

1793
02:14:50,600 --> 02:14:51,880
we have a developer that comes in here

1794
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:55,560
who could put five houses or six houses on an acre.

1795
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,740
And it's choosing to be a good steward.

1796
02:15:00,110 --> 02:15:20,330
What? The people in Jefferson County would like to see. And so I think that's a very good feather in their cap. And this is a nice to see at a bell coming in and keep green space and not build six houses on an acre in my personal opinion. So I yield.

1797
02:15:24,290 --> 02:15:26,410
Discussion or motion to approve or deny?

1798
02:15:27,810 --> 02:15:32,350
And before anybody makes a motion, I do just want to go over everything because,

1799
02:15:32,910 --> 02:15:43,970
I mean, I outlined essentially four things that you'll have to think about right, there is the underlying question of the zone change development plan and kind of take those together because it's a plan development, so that's one thing.

1800
02:15:44,710 --> 02:15:49,950
The second question is obviously there was their quest for modification on the three to one on the lots.

1801
02:15:49,950 --> 02:16:01,950
And then the third thing was obviously Council for the applicant requested that you wave the requirement shown on page 18 for the sidewalk extension.

1802
02:16:02,210 --> 02:16:08,150
And obviously Mr. Bear had some proposal of how you could address that.

1803
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:13,950
And then the final thing is the preliminary plat, but that's actually the simplest of the four because if you're

1804
02:16:14,490 --> 02:16:21,250
Approving us you're approving a plan if you're denying you have to deny the black, but does that does that make sense to everyone?

1805
02:16:22,090 --> 02:16:27,350
Yeah, so your motion can be to approve with staff recommendations both applications.

1806
02:16:29,070 --> 02:16:29,190
Correct.

1807
02:16:30,410 --> 02:16:30,490
Yeah.

1808
02:16:30,890 --> 02:16:33,250
You could do one, and in fact, you probably should.

1809
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:37,330
One, Uber motion that deals with both the, um,

1810
02:16:38,610 --> 02:16:42,470
And the underlying zone-changing development plan application.

1811
02:16:43,010 --> 02:16:43,250
Great.

1812
02:16:48,210 --> 02:16:50,170
We can't go home until we've approved or did not.

1813
02:16:50,830 --> 02:16:53,090
So we've got more business to take care of.

1814
02:16:56,980 --> 02:16:57,720
I don't have a phrase.

1815
02:16:59,850 --> 02:17:00,990
Make a stamp ahead of you.

1816
02:17:01,690 --> 02:17:03,170
Let's just tackle them one at a time.

1817
02:17:04,410 --> 02:17:05,210
That's easier.

1818
02:17:10,430 --> 02:17:15,710
Well, I don't know what your motion's going to be with regard to either.

1819
02:17:16,490 --> 02:17:18,990
I don't know what your motion's going to be with regard to.

1820
02:17:18,990 --> 02:17:24,930
of the request, you know, either the modification or the request on the some like extension.

1821
02:17:25,130 --> 02:17:26,970
So you're going to need to address those in whatever motion you may.

1822
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:29,610
Let me see if I can help you with it.

1823
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:41,190
I make a motion that PB25-001 to be approved with staff recommendations, including the sidewalk in the

1824
02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:46,970
Burmed area close to the retention pond if that can't be accomplished in that area that something is given in return

1825
02:17:46,970 --> 02:17:51,630
for that, somewhere else in the subdivision, I also, as part of my motion, make a

1826
02:17:51,630 --> 02:17:51,810
rest.

1827
02:17:52,530 --> 02:17:56,830
Make a recommendation at PB250013B approved.

1828
02:17:57,690 --> 02:17:58,150
Thank you.

1829
02:17:59,310 --> 02:18:00,330
So I might go second.

1830
02:18:00,930 --> 02:18:01,310
I'll second.

1831
02:18:01,310 --> 02:18:01,450
I'll second.

1832
02:18:01,930 --> 02:18:09,550
I wish you sure I might have motion to approve PB25 of the dash, 0012 and PB25 dash, 0013.

1833
02:18:09,690 --> 02:18:12,410
It was seconded by Commissioner Sprawl, all in favor.

1834
02:18:13,450 --> 02:18:13,750
I know.

1835
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:19,650
Opposed, Madam Secretary, we please call roll.

1836
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:27,080
Yes.

1837
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:35,700
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1838
02:18:37,460 --> 02:18:38,140
Yes.

1839
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:40,160
No.

1840
02:18:42,780 --> 02:18:43,980
7 to 1.

1841
02:18:46,430 --> 02:18:54,870
P.B.25 dash 0.012 and P.B.25 dash 0.013 is approved by a vote of 7 to 1.

1842
02:18:55,550 --> 02:18:59,410
Next up we have the approval of the 2020 planning zoning schedule.

1843
02:19:00,510 --> 02:19:01,150
Discussion?

1844
02:19:01,430 --> 02:19:02,790
It's right here in front of you.

1845
02:19:03,510 --> 02:19:05,430
I mean, I don't really think that's choice.

1846
02:19:06,750 --> 02:19:13,770
Yeah, just those dates follow the dates that we have had in place or the pattern of dates that we have had in place.

1847
02:19:14,250 --> 02:19:17,430
It's time and more. Basically, this is a motion to approve.

1848
02:19:18,010 --> 02:19:23,330
There's a motion to approve the 2026 planning and zoning meeting dates as a second.

1849
02:19:23,930 --> 02:19:25,710
Second. Sorry. Well, I have whoever wants to.

1850
02:19:27,430 --> 02:19:30,070
I got to get one tonight. All in favor say aye.

1851
02:19:37,130 --> 02:19:43,170
Mr. Chair, I know it's not a crucial vote, but I just, who was the first and second on the schedule?

1852
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:47,430
Commissioner Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Ms. Smith made the motion and the second by Commissioner Mr.

1853
02:19:47,690 --> 02:19:48,570
Thank you so much.

1854
02:19:48,750 --> 02:19:49,530
You're very welcome.

1855
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:50,950
Report to the Commission.

1856
02:19:51,490 --> 02:19:53,870
I have a lengthy report to the Commission tonight.

1857
02:19:56,130 --> 02:19:58,910
Our next meeting is December the 10th.

1858
02:19:58,910 --> 02:19:59,990
We'll be our final meeting of the year.

1859
02:20:00,090 --> 02:20:01,530
We do have cases on that night.

1860
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:02,930
So we will see you then.

1861
02:20:03,150 --> 02:20:03,610
Good work tonight.

1862
02:20:03,950 --> 02:20:05,870
Appreciate it.

1863
02:20:06,030 --> 02:20:07,370
Oh, the 11th.

1864
02:20:07,370 --> 02:20:09,870
So don't come here on December the 10th.

1865
02:20:14,500 --> 02:20:16,710
December 11th.

1866
02:20:16,810 --> 02:20:18,190
Is there a motion to adjourn?

1867
02:20:19,310 --> 02:20:19,730
Second.

1868
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:20,890
Second.

1869
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:21,790
Second.

1870
02:20:25,570 --> 02:20:27,890
make the second of the motion all in favor.

1871
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:29,470
Opposed.

1872
02:20:30,590 --> 02:20:31,510
We are a jar of thing.

1873
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:32,170
I'm going to get the hammer.

1874
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:32,950
There we go.