Jesus.
There must be a party.
» This is a budget meeting. So I don't
have to sit.
[laughter]
» So
I'll sit somewhere where sit over there.
That's the body.
[laughter]
>> Gunther did a good job last night.
>> Hunter. Yes,
>> Hunter.
>> He's got a lot of questions found
>> to get answers to,
>> but I think we're pretty much set. I
think cannabis is you can't really
depend on cannabis being expanded that
much. I
mean,
>> they're throwing stuff in the revenue
and singing,
>> which sets us up for next year.
>> It's
some of those places have opened and
some of them out some of them gotten
special, you know, they've gotten a
permit. I mean, they've gotten their
land, but they had open,
>> right? I think there's still one, the
one that's about to go on Growing
Street.
>> [clears throat]
>> I think that's the only one left in
queue that got approval but hasn't
opened yet. me.
Um, but again,
[clears throat]
>> I don't know. Oh, the one on the east as
well at the old,
>> right?
[laughter]
» Oh, I do notice.
Do you notice all of these
smoke
that convenience stores
in the gaz?
Did you see any people
shut up initution,
right?
I think that was it.
about
me.
We're getting there.
I have the meeting on
» she went down church chocolate chip
cookies.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
» Oh, with the eyes. With the eyes. Yeah.
Oh god.
Stop and sleep at church.
And I don't get the bag.
» Oh, I have this. I really I got a volt
function.
>> I haven't been able to do mine yet.
>> Hey, I took been so busy. I took mom
when you got it and put it in last year.
>> Is that what you're [laughter]
>> Oh, that's good.
>> I saw that.
>> What a good idea.
>> I can get a bath. [laughter]
» My desk is a mess. I can't have this.
>> Everything's a mess. My entire
>> I was hoping to try to at least go
through it today. try to organize.
>> I'm sure I made cream because Oh,
tomorrow night get some
Wednesday night golf final dinner.
>> Oh, nice. And I'm the president.
Glory. Amen. Hallelujah.
>> Hi. I made the
man.
Okay. How are you?
>> How about green post?
But this is the only one we got, right?
» All we got was one from
» This is John's.
>> Oh, well that's all too.
» Yeah.
» What's this?
I did talk to the lady from Karen's
laundry club and I told her we're in
>> now they have to she has to go back to
the Rotary Club and find out if they
will take us. Um but I gave you all this
information. I mean Mike
>> equipment. Oh yeah.
>> So I just wasn't sure because I don't
know how much these cost.
>> Um but
yeah,
>> right. Well, again, it's they're hoping
to raise, in other words, if they get
the grant from Ron, that doubles what
they will raise. No, no, no. So, they're
hoping to raise. She I had to she had to
go back and look because these are the
questions I asked her.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and they had ra, you know, she thinks
that she thinks 3,600 total is a good
number for us. And you know, immediately
Jackie and Mike were like, we could use
this, we could use that, we could use
>> Do you see those new cards they have?
Well, the last thing that Mike said was
a jack, you know, like a power lifter
kind of thing.
» Like I said, I don't I'm not the uh
No.
All right.
sent
a huge long email just
[clears throat]
>> right now.
>> Can't even I won't even be able to read
it while meeting.
» Good evening everyone. I'd like to
recall the finance committee to order
and we will continue our 2026 budget
review.
Uh before we get into
our u internal discussion
I would like to ask um
the director of our department of
development and it's Alex car
to kind of brief us on a couple
outstanding items the council member
last evening Now
there are two questions that we need
follow up with and those has to do with
um
the CPG
surplus
and CPG uh where is the money uh being
lo in terms of the cause and if there's
any surplus that within the various
department within the city and if that
is allowed by other guidance.
>> Okay. One where it is log is we put out
our annual action plan every year what
our allocations are and we log in IBIS
which is our HUD financial system.
>> Okay. So all of our funding is lost
when you will see when we bring forth it
action plan every year as part of the
five-year consolidated plan when I come
and say these are our priorities and
then every year we come based on
applications we come before with you
with proposals from approved
applications amount [clears throat]
that they apply for.
No, you can't just take a surplus and
reuse it and put it into the general
fund. That's not how it um how it works
and it has to align to meet the HUD's
national objective. So, anything that we
do, we're governed by HUD to say it's
going to meet, you know, one of the
three national um objectives and it
needs to be part of the city's priority.
So, we would have have to save that in
the consolidated in the 5-year
consolidated plan.
>> I know that sounds like a lot, right?
>> So, so [laughter]
we are not allowed to lose it for any
city project or any city cost.
>> Well, you can if it aligns with what the
priorities were that we outlined in our
five-year plan.
So meaning
for example if you apply like we have
when you say surf we have things that
come every year that gets allocated to
city projects whether it be development
whether it be code whether it be
engineering those things are those
things come into the city from from
those fundings. So for example, if we
have something, I'll use this youth line
for an example. We've identified in 2022
during CO that we allocated funding for
a youth program that was never set up
and never spent. Now, we've realized
that the general fund is looking for
money to fill the gap for the youth
program that aligns with the national
objectives and the priorities that we
set forth [clears throat] in our
consolidated plan for the city to fund
youth activities and initiative, youth
employment. So, that would align. So,
it's not just it's not just anything. We
can't don't give me your truck orders
and all of those things has to motivate
him. It has to all. [laughter]
>> I like we're starting on a good note. I
like this.
>> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted
the guy guidance from you in terms of
can we use it for youth employment. Can
we use it for senior because we have to
fund it seniors before through CDBG
>> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund
the high.
Yes. But see those things are
competitive applications. Yes.
>> Right. So there's also caps that we have
to abide by. See, we only can do a
certain percentage amount of public
service projects, a certain percentage
of development projects, things that
fall into what we designated as our NRSA
area. So we do have caps for things like
emergency shelter. We have cap a certain
amount of money can only go towards
that. So when we're working our annual
action plan and reallocating money, we
still have to ensure that it falls
within our cap. Whether we are looking
at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to
go back and make sure if we're
reallocating it to a different project
that we don't exceed
the percentages, the caps that we to
remain in compliance.
>> Question.
So, first of all, thank you for paying
attention throughout this process and
looking for trying to figure out ways to
support uh the youth program in
particular. Um it seems like like you um
located some funds. Um so, I I really do
appreciate that and I think that that um
allows us to move past what would be a
really stickler point for us in the
budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see
myself supporting a budget that didn't
support that. So I really want to
explain
>> and and transparency. Anytime we use any
of the federal dollars that come out
development, there's a substantial
amount of reporting and accountability
that has to occur. So if those if parks
is going to be facilitating this youth
program, they need to work with the
department to make sure that they're
doing quarterly reporting that we have
the measurables that we need to report
to HUD. So it's not as simple as we
found money, we give you the money.
there there is reporting quarterly
reporting um that is due to the
department so that we can submit that to
the federal government.
>> So when we first started the program um
what we did which we got away from which
I would like to see us go back to was
partnering with the county because the
counties they had the the infrastructure
and the reporting the reporting
infrastructure that at the time aligned
with kind of what you're talking about.
So that's something that we might want
to revisit just because I don't want to
put more work on your department
especially being you know helping us
find the money for
>> parks.
Okay. [laughter] Okay.
>> For clarity for for parks because I but
I do appreciate that. So my question is
what so I was originally um before
these conversations were happening I was
talking about using money for the golf
court from the revenue from the golf
course to support the youth line and in
yesterday's conversation I was
suggesting if we find the money and it
seems like we have the money that's
aligned that we could use from CBDG
funds what about our seniors is is is
that are we in the same situation for
seniors or could we or should we go look
at using the revenue identified from the
golf course for to support seniors.
>> There are no funds that were previously
allocated that align with senior
services that haven't been expended.
>> Okay.
>> So if there So I can see that we used to
partner with the county and some of the
money that I found that we can use is
money that the county never it was never
set up. They never drawn down. So it
aligns that that doesn't that there's no
scenario that applies that way for to
support seniors right now.
>> Okay. We can use the money from the golf
course to do that.
>> Go ahead.
>> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what
you're saying right now is that you did
find the money for youth employment for
this 2026 budget.
>> So you already have um
all of the uh CDBG. you you have a good
sense already in this year of what might
come back into your cup?
>> No, I have a good sense of what could
apply for the youth. What I did was I my
program account went through to see what
did we allocate for youth services in
previous years and that is what I'm able
to use. But we're in the process of
closing it out and we're and I'm talking
about funds from 2021
this week. So these aren't new funds.
We're going back and doing some
reconciliation in our department.
>> Okay. um to see what what's out there.
>> That's great.
>> Thank you. And I know that Mr. MCA had
to do that reporting,
>> but he's he's done that kind of stuff
before. So,
>> do you have a number? Yes, ma'am.
>> There's 160,000, but I would like to
keep the 10,000 to because you asked for
150. 10,000. [laughter]
>> No, I didn't ask you for 150.
>> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.
150. Yes.
>> I thought it was 150. It was but
before so we currently fund the senior
center through CDBG. So you're saying
that they didn't expend all the money so
they have funding available.
>> The senior center doesn't they're asking
for more money actually. They they apply every year. So they applied
for 20,000. They spent 20,000 and
they're asking they're looking for more
additional money. But they're also
working with the county to try to to
fill the gap
>> for this year for 2021. 2026
>> they applied for 20 Well your 2026 is my
2025.
>> Oh
>> okay.
>> So do we have something do we have?
>> So we we we awarded them
>> we gave them
>> what they asked for actually. So let me
just
>> pay for 2026.
>> It's their contract is effective October
1st. So the the the federal year is
October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So
we are right now awarding contracts,
execution contracts right now. So the
senior center
» 24,000
>> and I will take it in the 2024.
>> Okay.
>> 2026.
Yeah. Okay. So, we have to cover it.
[clears throat]
>> Okay.
>> Well, there are wait.
>> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I never come back.
[clears throat]
[laughter]
>> Oh, I have a hammer.
>> Okay.
It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you
asked one question I asked. So, it's 150
is what you have allocated for these
one.
>> The senior line that you're talking
about, you're only talking about the
Hyurns though. You're not talking about
the other seniors, the saddle bike
senior centers is what I'll call them.
No, but I do see in our general budget,
we do get a lot of invoices from
Catholic Charities, but I don't have any
authority over that. Those are just
invoices that pass through my
department, Catholic Charities, Invoice
that comes out of general budget. So, I
don't I haven't had to say so on how
much or but I just they pass through. I
see the invoices and we submit them
because it's so what's been written out
of our budget is those spend on
>> Yes.
That's correct.
>> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to
the revenue line. If you're not if you
want to finish explaining what she has
then I'll ask about the revenue one.
>> No you are you're doing this. Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> You're making life easy for a lot of us
here.
>> Okay. Um last year this is uh
line A27A.
» I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry Mary. What
was that?
>> A2170 A. Sorry that so there was
$100,000 um for the SNAP from CBG for
SNAP.
>> Oh,
>> right. And now it's that was in our
adopted budget 21
>> page 10 that is in our adopted budget
for 2025 but not in 2026.
>> So SNAP has
>> roughly
>> $200,000 in CBBG funds from previous
years that they have not invoiced
department of development to draw down.
So they were not awarded this year. How
much?
>> 200,000.
So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.
From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't
been set up.
>> This is SNAP that you're talking about.
>> Mhm.
>> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So, say
you have a hundred thou roughly $22,000
in unspent funds, which is why they were
not funded.
» So, you don't see that in the line in
the line, but we see that CDBG our
federal dollars don't always show up in
the general general funds, but we see it
on on our side.
>> Go ahead, please. So, if we had
something that fell under the code of
SNAP neighborhood revitalization,
would we be able to access that funding
that you just said is still
>> So, it's it's how it's not by title,
it's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's
really the cleanup city owned property.
So, stabilization and clean up of city
own. Gotcha.
>> So, that's what the title is, but it's
how we
>> with the description what we said we
would do with those with that funding
lines.
So, um, so in that case, let's say we
have staff that do that. Is it possible
to leave some of that funding towards
like a percentage of it towards that
staffing salary that does that
particular work?
>> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.
That that is what it's what they have.
That money has been allocated to them to
ODS and spend. They just have never
invoiced.
And it is not for clarity and
transparency. It is not development's
job to invoice that. any fun and even
internal
allocations. There's reporting. You have
to invoice. You have to submit those
sign sheets, the properties that you
worked on. We we still have to submit
those things to us. So that is not
something that my department would have
autonomy over.
>> Gotcha.
» But that money is there.
>> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How
do we how do we move our academy invoice
from this department?
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,
>> Alex, but this is specifically has to be
CDBG el uh to draw down, correct? Mhm.
>> So
>> most of So that when it's to be CDBG
eligible needs to fall into it needs to
fall into a low moderate income area in
our neighborhood revitalization strategy
area 85% of our city is that what I'm
saying
>> if not all
>> right
>> well between the the two designations
that we have Mhm.
>> So, what I'm hearing is that that we have
what over $200,000 that could
conceivably that's money from back from
two 2021 that we could conceivably bring
[clears throat] forward towards um in
SN.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
Thank you.
that may had mentioned um
a day or two ago that you're you're
looking to hire a an agency to help take
note of um the foreclosed property.
>> So what we did this year is that 100,000
that would typically go to SNAP because
they also identified to us last year
that they didn't have the capacity to
clean out the city owned properties
>> as quick as we want to put them out. So,
we took that 100,000 and we allocated
that to department of development so
that we do have more control. We can bid
that and we can clean up our property so
that they're safe for the realtor um to
act so that that clean up and be
maintenance, snowing, mowing,
you know, all of those things to make it
look good in the community. We're going
to board them up nicely, secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one
in so we can have more control and make
sure they get done cuz we know that the sale the properties that we have the
mayor wants to get them out and list
them. But we've we've gotten a lot of
complaints from our realators that the
properties are in the best condition or
safe to enter. So,
>> right.
>> And we heard that decision is informed
by the information that we've been
hearing from our neighborhood meetings
with the comprehensive plan.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. That is ahead. No, I was going to
say so it sounds like that money needs
to remain in your department so so you
have the autonomy and can make those
decisions and make
>> that 100,000 that's going to be for net
that's allocated for 2526 are here
>> is is us but that is not taken away from
what snack still
>> but right that was my point but this
200,000 is still there okay go ahead
>> when will when will that 200,000 not be
available or to be invoiced to you will
that ever go way. HUD gives us 5 years.
That's great.
>> No. What year?
>> No. This this 200 thou the 200,000. Oh,
yeah. It'll be
>> This is starting This is going back to
21. Yes.
>> We need to spend it.
>> Go ahead.
>> So, it sounds like you're recouping some
of these funds so that the area
department has more management and
oversight over it. Um, is there what
functions outside of that 85% of the
buildings that rely on the city? Is this
apartment still going to be responsible
for conducting?
>> I'm not clear on the question. I'm
sorry, council member.
>> If you're maintaining the properties,
what's not doing for the 15% of the
properties that are eligible?
>> Well, we're going to maintain the
properties moving forward, but there's
plenty of properties that are still on
our roll that need to be addressed. And
even when SNAP goes out and we get a
complaint, and I'll use this for an
example. If somebody does a click see
click C and they got to go remove debris
>> right
>> from the front of the house and it's on
the eastern nav the time that they spent
is billable um from CDBG that's that's
addressing the issue. So
>> I think there's some um flexibility on
how they they spend that money now
because it's not just for city own city
owned properties that are going for
sale.
So Williams, I mean looking at that that
you're hiring a consultant to help with
the clean up of the property.
>> So that's taking away responsibility
from staff.
>> Are you hiring
the company?
>> We're just we're bidding it out. So we
need a contractor that we can get the
right to
>> so that is taking away responsibility
from this department.
>> Yes.
>> But they said they didn't have the
capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't
being done. It's essentially
>> they've been doing it.
>> They they've been they've been doing
this but not as not not as fast. Snap
doesn't have the manpower to do them as
fast as it should be done to maintain
what they regularly would do in the city
owned properties.
So what we need to do is look in our
budget to see how we can reallocate the
200,000 that is existing now to see long
and and see that we could do that with
as long as it being in line with the HUD
uh parameters. I don't think we need to
reallocate that is already
>> not reallocated but
>> well no to be expelled.
>> No. So correct me if I'm wrong. Snap. In
other words, moving forward that
$100,000 is going to come back into
development. Right. So we got that.
However, there is $200,000 existing
right now within SNAP that they have not
invoiced for.
>> Correct.
>> So and that money is only good for five
years. So, so we could repurpose,
we could I'm looking for the right term.
We could reuse that money as long as it
falls within the parameters of what we
expressed originally.
Is that correct?
>> So, would it make sense to use it to
offset some of the snapsh
the money there for that?
>> This is where I'm going.
>> So, as that makes that makes the most
that's the that was the intention.
>> Okay.
>> All right. And this year we wouldn't
need that.
>> So we can use this 210,000
>> $26
[laughter]
for those right there.
>> 22,559
» that we can use now for
>> Yes. in that category. So can I just
>> So in other words, right now, Miss
Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,
there's zero on CDBG SNAP neighborhood
revitalization. So, just to try to close
this part of the conversation, we could
put $200,000
>> in that line instead of
>> that. Well, this is old funds that
you're spending down. I wouldn't put
that in. It's already there. This is old money
>> that would have showed up in previous
years that hasn't been spent. I don't
know how to
>> Yeah. Well, but but we're trying to
we're obviously trying to increase our
revenue side of this budget. And so
right now that says zero for us. Um so
that 200,000 that you're talking about
is not showing up anywhere for us.
>> That will be a commissioner. So what I'm
saying is can I take the zero
>> just fill [clears throat] in the budget
>> but if we put if we used it to support
salaries
>> that that are that no in other words if
we use that money to support salaries
right now or or portion of salaries that
are being um drawn from the general fund
then that 200,000 would essentially th
show up in our general fund because not
we wouldn't be use we'll be using this
200k instead taking money for the
general fund.
>> Okay.
>> Everything works out correctly.
>> Well, well, if she's saying if we can
use it for salaries, as long as there's
SNAP salaries, then
>> CDBG knowledgeable.
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.
>> Yes, it is.
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.
>> So, that means the the tracking OS will
have to track the addresses and the time
to make sure that they are in the
designated areas, which could be
cumbersome for men that are out in the
field. I know Chris expressed that
before. You know, they're out in the
field tracking it. And I don't want to
speak for his department, but they are.
>> Yeah.
>> But if they're [clears throat]
So, my understanding of they don't
randomly go, they already know where
they're assigned. So, we know before
they ever went there that it's in
Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's in
Hamilton North and RSA CDG. So, when
they were assigned where to go clean up,
they would know ahead of time. So they
it's not like the people on the ground
going to do the work have to capture
that. Their supervisor like look and say
okay this is in that area and this can
be assigned to that. I don't see it
being the person going to do it.
>> Okay. I'm not it's not my department. So
I'm not it's privy to you know their
process and how they how they do things.
>> So um would OS have to invoice that
money every time they went? So it's it's
not like every time
>> not every time.
>> Okay. But they can they can do it
quarterly.
>> Yeah. You know,
>> but it still has to be invoiced. The
money could still just hang out.
>> Invoice and
>> right.
>> I'm sorry. They could still not what?
>> The money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's
been used or invoiced. And is there any
outstanding invoices they might have
that they didn't put through to you in
the past two or three years?
>> Now, we've been in communication with
them, council, so they know that they
could invoice. It's just
>> they haven't and I don't I'm sure
there's some obstacles that they're
facing and there's a valid reason why
they haven't.
>> I can't speak to them but
>> so it might not even be there if they if
they have invoices they just haven't
>> I doubt that they had invoices for that
many years. So pending I think that they
would have probably used funds that were
still readily available to them. So for
functional so we're talking about this
26,000 where is this one
>> 200
[laughter]
>> John just say 200 let's leave her a
little let's leave her a little in case
somebody does come this year
>> in the cloud it's not in the general
fund that's why it's not here
>> it's not in the general it's it's not in
the general fund because it hasn't been
set up yet so it's been allocated in
order for commissioner and his team to
see it we have to set it up and tell
them we set it up and do the PO process.
These funds are allocated from our
annual action plan but not set up in the
>> So this this
>> that's a little too much in the weeds
for us.
>> How many how many more funds do we have
like this in the cloud? [laughter]
back to my father in the money tree in
the backyard.
>> Because if we have $200,000 datas in the
cloud, [laughter]
how much more funding do we have that we
are not utilizing from CDPG over the
last four or five years?
>> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you
utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm
seeing is really impact from CO, right?
It's not that we're not it's not that
we're not utilizing it. And now that we
have a full team, it gives us an
opportunity to really dive in and close
out projects. So close out projects,
understand what hasn't been set up but
allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not
expecting you in the next five minutes
to really understand. But our HUD
funding has a HUD system that we
>> that we use. Our general funds has a
general fund system. It is it is
separate. Before I go, I just have a
follow up there. So, can we can we get a
report of all the outstanding
>> there? There is no report yet because my
team, as I said, council, we're we're
working through this. We're trying to
>> But do you have something to say that we
can spend on from 2021 to now? There is
a balance of what we need
>> to for what I you can't work on it
because it has to be part of one.
>> No, no, no, no.
[laughter]
2021 to now fun and it's not spending
that needs I need actions.
>> I will I will get you something.
>> Go ahead.
>> That's not a that's not a function
though. [clears throat]
If I go through and do all that, it has
to be a we have to now put that out to
the public. That can't be something that
I said these are the funds that we have
in city council. There's a substantial
amendment. It's a process. I can't say
these are the funds and then city
council decides where this money goes
because it's community development money
that needs to go into the community and
the community has to say so and then we
do a public notice and then we have a um
>> grants grant applications.
>> We have the applications and then we we
have the public hearing. So, it's not I
can do that, but it's not something that
city council can say we can move this
money, we can do that money. We cannot X
out the public um responsibility
for that.
>> So, okay. So, let's get back to this
$200,000
that we know is here.
>> We understand the intended function of
it. It was not used in the timeline that
we originally expected, but right now
we're looking at $200,000
with a clear purpose that we can use it
for as long as it stays within these
parameters.
>> [snorts]
>> So, so we should the council should look
into what what positions that we have in
the city right now that are working in a
to this aligned function of what this
$200,000 was. So, if we have someone who
salary is $70,000
and they're doing this the type of work
that falls under this umbrella, then
that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come
from our general fund that we could use
this this $200,000 to fund that
position. So, that would be a plus of
$200,000. I think that's what we need to
focus on right now and then we could
look to the next thing.
>> I would agree with that. um that we got
from but I know she said he never looked
down here [clears throat]
was waiting down
>> um so I'm just going to yell out so I
have I agree with that because I don't
think like what Miss Carver said we can
like look at all the money because as we
what we talked about yesterday you
weren't even here Miss Carver I think it
was specifically said that CDBG has
specific parameters and guidelines and
we have to stay within those
>> and a citizen participation and citizen
partition and beyond these seven
citizens.
>> Uh so so I would agree with you that my
further question though about the budget
as opposed to asking about revenue is
that the 100,000 that was you took back
in house to do it um through receipts to
the department of development I see that
last year we allocated 570,000 on the CT
uh BG line for department development
and this year same amount. So I was so
the question for me became how where
that account is. So the that 570,000
are our admin cost. The whole the the
SNAP money that 100,000 is not ad is not
development admin. So we didn't
reallocate it for admin. We reallocated
to bid bid it out for project. Okay. So
that's why it is not reflected there.
Maybe for clarification.
Go ahead, please.
>> But again, I just want to say what we
all 200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding
down. Won't be able to remember the
exact figure that you keep saying, but
we have to go through a process.
>> No, we don't have
>> No, it doesn't. Not
if we do. No, not if we keep it the if
we keep it the same. That's already
>> Okay, that was my first question when we
first started this.
>> This is already allocated to the city.
It's already allocated.
>> It's already It's already allocated.
We've already allocated that funding,
>> but we need to in the budget. Is that
what you're saying? [clears throat]
>> I don't know if we need I don't know
that part that's outside.
>> This is a This is a commissioner a
commissioner question, but that's where
I think you were jo kind of joking about
it being in the cloud. But can look, can
we just cut to the question that I'm
just trying to find the answer for?
>> But you you have the door. So you put
your question up.
>> So can we just say, okay, instead of
zero in the 2026 budget on that line,
can we right now all fill in on our
budget $200,000
>> specifically for SNAP?
>> For SNAP.
>> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have
to worry about, you know, Mr. on putting
in invoices, etc., etc. That's all
internal staff uh kinds of stuff. But
that's the answer to this question.
>> Yeah, the thing is that the money
200,000 coming into the staff line, it
will reduce um the general fund by
$200,000,
>> right? A
>> that's what the
>> right game is.
>> A1621 that line is 156. What is that? So
under SNAP
>> A1621
>> A621 100 we can use that $200,000 to
offset salary. So we'll just need a
revenue in
>> and then 200,000 is available
>> that goes back to the general fund.
>> So just make this up note I I do have
that. Thank you so much. This is why we
called you.
>> What page was that? 1625.
>> That is page 25. So
>> thank you.
>> That is something that we can make um
>> 16 recommendations.
Ah, I see what you're saying.
>> Any other question for uh while we got
the
>> reply?
Mr. Williams.
>> Okay.
>> I mean although practically for us our
involvement in this process does not
extend beyond this conversation, there
needs to be internal discussions to
ensure that that process is done
otherwise
$300,000.
>> So that is a further discussion that
does not include us but that needs to
happen. How do we make sure that
happens? Yeah, and that's exactly how I
make myself knowledgeable about that. I
will follow to make sure that we capture
from 2021 to now, you know, current
period as what is available, what needs
to spend on things like that. So we
don't have any money lingering as the
commissioner says in the cloud.
>> But
>> let me just
finish.
>> Oh, go ahead please.
>> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying
how do we ensure because right now we're
in this position because it was not
drawn down and there were no invoices
sent. So what she what Mr. Williams is
saying is how do we ensure city invoices
are submitted? I mean we we can't do
that. We as council that's not our
responsibility but what system gets put
into place I guess I'll look at you say
what system gets put in place so that
the invoices are sent so the money gets
spent or we could be having the same
conversation again next year.
again and money won't get spent.
>> Again, I just feel like that's an
internal I think Mr. Williams just said
it. I'm repeating now what you just
said, which I was trying to say earlier,
which is that's an internal staffing
decision. If we can use the $200,000,
let's put the $200,000 in our budget.
Let's let uh commissioner and our
director of development speak with Mr.
Lefond or whatever. I mean, is there a
deadline in 2026 because that's the
5year mark, right? Um, is there like a
is it March 20th? Is it August 17th? I
mean, we should let them figure that
out. Um, but we the answer to our
question is yes, we can put that
$200,000 into the SNAP line.
>> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility,
too, because if we didn't call back this
car over here, none of us would have be
aware there is $200,000
hanging there. So I think we need yeah
we can't we can't direct them what to do
but we need to be informed of what's
going on and if there are things like
this outside there
commissioner of finance and department
of development the director they need to
help each other and get it sort of out
able to spend all this money.
>> Yeah. I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then com and this
seems like this was something that
happened before you were even in the
position that you're in now. I have all
the confidence in your ability to make
sure that we don't lose $200,000 for
somebody and then put in the receipt.
I'm sure you can do that. Let's go.
>> Before Mr. Park was here as well. Boom.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that
line,
Mr. M? Are you asking me to move?
>> Does everybody think that we finalized
that discussion on that one?
>> It's going to go into A16.
>> Here's my next question for Miss Carver
and it is regarding the homes revenue,
the sale of homes. So, the budget as a
um I have to find it. Sorry.
>> Revenue.
>> Yep. I want to make sure that that
revenue line is realistic. 26.
>> 2660.
» Uh 260. I don't have 26.
>> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.
>> Umoop.
>> Yeah. Oh, I got it now. Thank you.
>> Um, so we've projected
in 2026 budget
>> $3 million in revenue from the homes
program. And at the same time,
I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one
now.
>> 535.
>> Thank you.
>> Year to date.
>> What? Say it again, please.
>> 1,535 year to date as of October,
>> which probably doesn't include
>> was probably since last September.
>> Yeah. So, we still have a little bit
more revenue than million. So, we talked
about this a little bit the last time
when I was hearing the mayor gave
clarity that we have major projects, the
Skenctity D40 project and um housing in
Roderdam that is still the sales of that
is still pending.
>> Um so,
>> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we
>> the conversation with the mayor said
more likely we will
>> be close to the estimated for this year.
Okay. And then we may have uh one
project rolled over into next year with
a size of the one in the 2022.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes
out there putting that projection at 4.5
million. Does that seem realistic to you
from 3 to 4.5?
Not not based on our current foreclosure
list that's out. I don't think that we
have enough properties to satisfy it.
Gotcha. I I did ask last night for
corporation council to put those
together expecting from foreclosures the
two six or seven this year but next year
two foreclosure ones coming.
>> Yeah.
>> No any number.
>> Let let me recap that the
pre-foreclosure that is going to happen
into next year plus the the one of the
sizable sale property or two into next
year. the one next year and two next
>> two next year. So that will roll over
into next year a sale. So we have three
sales before sale into next year. Plus
if the two major project doesn't happen
this year, it will roll over into next
year. That's how I factor my number and
ask for that. No, I want to clarify
because we did listen to the corporation
council. We did talk about it and why am
I protecting that number because of two
project and because of the the pre
foreclosure that's happening next year.
>> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?
>> I am sticking with the same estimate
from this year into next year.
>> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue
in that line instead of 3 million is
realistic for your staff to achieve
>> as I previously stated.
I do not think that that is a realistic
number based on the list the information
on.
>> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify
it. Okay. Thank you.
[clears throat]
>> Any other question? Go ahead, please.
>> So I would say is that 3 million on that
same line a conservative projection or
to Mr. Marian's point is there room with
the information that you're avail that
you have available that you feel
comfortable sharing with council that we
can go over? I think that's a law. A law
should be involved in that because they
are the ones that track that list.
Council member, we get the list from
law.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah, we did hear we heard from
corporation council that you know in
terms of the foreclosure in terms of how
much in the pipeline and that's how the
factoring and the two pro the two
housing project the party and then the
sale and relevant those are high high
volume sales.
There was a question in the email that
the commissioner said that you had
another question about the cold.
Yeah, that's right. Sorry that caught me
that was again that um
where and I think it's a similar
situation as it relate
we had 100,000 in revenue and right
around
» so they did not
100,000 Yes,
but um they haven't drawn down. So they
for this upcoming year they still were
awarded 100,000 but they have 206,000
that need to be drawn down.
>> So there's 250 now the code if possibly
they use in the code doing their
>> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning
with putting it in here because I think
it helps us um be accountable. That'll
kind of ease the conversation with
commissioner not to work with our
internal you know departments our
colleagues to say
>> we we got to we got to spin it down
because it's in it's in black and white
I'm sorry the number was
>> yes 206
>> go ahead
>> so again I'm just trying to clarify are
we all hearing and miss carver correct
me [clears throat] if I'm wrong that
line 217
>> what page
It's on page 10.
» Same thing the CBB stuff that we were
just
>> So if we wanted to instead of that line
being $100,000,
could we make that line $300,000?
Okay.
>> Decrease their expenditure in the
expenditure part.
>> Reduce the um if you go to the bottom
part now, you increase the revenue by
206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.
and go to
code enforcement and we use that for um
so we release $200,000 into the general
fund again there so that another
$200,000 into the general fund
>> and may I ask
>> that's why I asked the question how much
do we
>> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it
so
>> the only reason we're able to do this is
because it's already
to us there's already a resolution in
place this has already been approved
this already went through the citizen
participation plan, all of those things.
>> Yes.
>> That we can [laughter]
» I just want the record to reflect that
we're not operating outside of
>> how we should
already allocated to us. So already
allocated for this purpose. It's just
>> I am so thankful that you're here.
>> Okay.
>> So that's adding 200.
>> Go ahead.
>> But also the point is I want to make
sure we're not getting ahead of
ourselves expecting a different outcome.
any significant changes. I confident
that Miss Con, Mr. Luke can do their
jobs to the best of standards. They're
not going to be chasing. They can
assist. They can assist, but if there is
not an intentional direction from the
mayor's office that this is going to be
a priority, we will have a bigger hole
into next year. So, without that
reassurance,
I don't feel comfortable. You can put 90
in that you put 900,000 in that line,
but if the work doesn't get done, the
funds don't get replenished into the
council and we get replenished into the general fund.
>> Well, but let me clarify you can use it
for salary.
>> Yeah, that's
>> so they have to draw it for salary,
right? So it's not like a you know time
sheet has to be submitted and things
like that but that's more you make it
more you simplify it more rather than
having to go submit invoice and submit
how many times they spend out on the in
the field is more of a time sheet
>> I would say assumptions are
>> well no that's not
>> it's not an assumption
>> time sheets will still be required where
they the how where they did their time
that still applies it has to be in one
of our designated
>> areas to a system, right, that can just
float.
>> Both both things are true. Both things
are true. If you use it for these these
identified lines like the A1621,
then they're going to pull a salary from
that line. People are going to have to
get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that
after people or while the people are
getting paid, we still have to make sure
we're in compliance with that. And the
way to do that is with the appropriate
reporting structure. So that's they're
both things are true. So, we just looks
like we can put almost $400,000 back
into our general fund if we use this for
salaries.
>> Okay, good news.
>> Yeah.
>> What line are you looking to add this
to?
>> Undo enforcements to salary.
>> It's not just salaries. It's it's about
it's in it's written written with HUD
that it's a program. So, what is
reimburseable is when they go out they
do notices for um pole violations.
>> That that is that is how it is written. So only the s work
those salaries are reimburseable when
they do that direct work. So my team we
have a policy and procedure the
community development supervisor join me
tonight. We can you know be intentional
about meeting with the team again and
kind of going over what's expected
because we just did this with cold and
it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a
little bit of work into it,
but that was the whole purpose. Oh, I'm
sorry, Mr. Tro. I keep saying your hand.
[laughter]
Um, but that was the whole purpose of
actually assigning the CPG money to code
enforcement to do those particular
things and to use towards those salaries
for doing those particular things.
That's just not happening because
there's no I I won't say there's no
system in place.
>> I I will say that it's not being done
whether and if not we there should be a
system in place and I don't know, Mr.
where and how we
>> this this is where we can force it. We
put them into the into the salary line
to draw them on a salary to get a time
sheet to go and issue certain you know
whatever it was whatever they need to
draw them against they need to go ahead
and do it and get this money and spend
>> and follow follow the the application
>> because Roberta and Roberta and co used
to do this so there was already a
backlog in it and then there was a
transition co so that's part of the
reason why those funds haven't been sent
back as
Yeah, go ahead.
>> Thank you.
>> So, and we also have to remember, excuse
me, we have three code officers moving
forward that are presently there with
two supervisors. So, sending individuals
out into the field. I don't know how
much it and trust me, I'm happy that we
can get money back into for you know
going out to doing these things. Is the
money from code 2021 as well? That is
multiple years. So, 2022 of 100,000 that
commissioner doesn't see because it is
not set up
>> right
>> know it's complexities to it so I'm not
expecting you to understand but we
haven't set it up in our HUD system but
it was allocated
>> and then we have 100,000 from 2024
and they have a balance of $6,342
from 2023
» any ideawide
it was done some years not other years
um staffing I mean and and
it's it's there's complexity when we
talk about the federal dollars in the
systems right so you have to you use the
oldest money first so we can award you
in 2025 but if you have money in 2021
when we draw down we got to draw down
that oldest money because
>> the time is ticking and they'll recap
recapture it So it doesn't in
transition, you know, I'm not making I'm
not making excuses.
>> It doesn't make sense why it's there.
>> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team
is working on this, which is why I can
give you these numbers right now, right?
Because last year this time, I wouldn't
have been able to give you these
numbers.
So we're we're we're working on kind of
aligning our our system with with the
HUD system in the funding.
Mr. Mir, I just want the record to
reflect that through Miss Carb and her
team's work, she's not she's has helped
us identify money to support our youth
line and and a potential additional if
we work this right, adding back
>> $400,000 to our general fund. under the
code. I know it's kind of relieved
>> based on the work of hurricanes.
>> Super. I know that's right, M president.
So, thank So, I just want to say that that's a you know, when I spoke
with you earlier about the youth money,
I I wasn't even aware of this other
money that was there. So, this is all a
result of your team's work. So, Mitch,
we appreciate the work that you guys are
doing. Um, very valuable.
>> Are there any other funding? [laughter]
>> You would like me to stay. Mitch, stand
up and check in those cushions. See if
there's some change in there. We want to
know.
[laughter]
>> I'm trying to get some money for this
guy.
>> There's no other funding. And when we do
identify that funding, we we're going to
have to go through our citizen
participation plan [clears throat] and
put that out there and take application.
So, that'll be a process that will
happen sometime early next year. I have
to add to the surp.
» Imagine if we gave her a statement.
[laughter]
>> They're not spending any money.
[clears throat]
>> Um, so Mr. Harvin, there's another
question that came up. I just want to
make sure that um in terms of the send
down where it shows if you had 500
700,000 but then the year to date you
like 91,000. be nice about that. So if
you just want to give clarity while
>> then there's we spent out 91,000. We
still have time right now with the
shutdown. We don't have access to some
of our draw down systems to to draw down
the money and then we have some pending
time sheets that the team is working on
that will get us closer to to the finish
line. So that'll happen before the end
of the year.
>> Good. That's right. So in terms of um
not the Hibernians but the other senior
programs um because we don't have money
>> they didn't submit application.
>> No no I'm talking about the Catholic
Charities um the the senior lunch
programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays
and Friday well actually it's now it's
just um
>> yeah Monday.
>> I mean I guess I'm not going to worry
about that right now because it's
$60,000 or something. It seems like
maybe we'd be able to figure something
out as we go forward in terms of finding
$60,000. Um, right.
>> That that doesn't go through her.
>> It's not a matter of finding it.
>> Well, I just figured we could figure out
a way to work with her on on
>> we
>> just we found money for the youth line.
>> No, I I know I I understand what we just
did.
>> As important the youth line is, it is
very important for us to fund the city
line. So, there's no doubt about it. It
will have to be something that needs to
go back into the budget regarding
student,
>> right? We just have to find the money.
>> We could Well, we were going to do the
golf course first for the youth program.
Why couldn't we use the golf course
revenue to support the seniors?
>> Well, we already have youth.
>> Let's let's not
touch
and get out of here. Um there's other
thing I asked in the email in terms of
two agencies. Um and we asked it the
last time you were here. Do you have any
in terms of um
>> so the the two the two agencies um that
my department has identified for art um
that we have concerns around will be the
foundation which is $339,300.
Um
and the second organization is the
Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2
million. Now the dar
uh Mitch can join me if you have some
you know detailed questions. Mitch has
been working one on one with both
organizations I've been involved as well
of working oneonone. Marie has submitted
a plan that is not really realistic to
spend this money in time and they don't
seem to have um the additional funding
that's needed to carry out the project
that was once identified at the time of
application and coming to to council.
That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton
Hill. They are moving forward. They have
a project manager now and they've
submitted an updated plan. But with the
time that we have given them to spend
this money, it is 5050 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is
working with them for a backup plan to
maybe instead of doing a new build to do
the older rehab their existing building
already. So we have been trying to
troubleshoot
um troubleshoot.
>> [clears throat]
>> So Mitch, you want to give us any
updates on where?
>> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill
[clears throat] and I was in we were
introduced to their project manager who
seems very confident. Um I just received
a copy of a that I believe yesterday
a bid he wants to send out to for the
project to get it so they can get ahead
of it started.
uh [clears throat] and we will review
that and get back to him and he's
following the the policies and
procedures to give any bits to us. So we
will end up uh moving that forward and
he or they understand that you know the concern is that you know their
project manager has said that in order
to spend the 1 to be sure we spend the
1.2 2 million by June 30th 2026.
>> He needs about 6 months of construction
based on his long. So
if this starts and that's being that's
you know making sure that he could spend
it
uh so if they started on January 1st
which you know may or may not happen uh
even if they started February so they
may be able to do it. they they maybe
they get spent 75%. There's no way to
know but it's it's going to be cutting
it very close to you know by that
timeline. There is a backup plan if that
doesn't seem to work for some reason and
that is to you know switch over to
repairs on the their existing building
and they're they're doing a two-track
kind of thing to see uh how they can go
but that is once again like Alex said
it's 50/50.
I did have an opportunity today to meet
with Metroplex and we're going to have a
conversation with the Hill and Metroplex
so they can offer some project
management support to make sure that the
project can move forward. Um I'm
grateful that Metroplex is able to
support us in that way because we don't
have the capacity to offer full project
management. So, we are working to try to
>> um
to assist them to make sure that the
project is able to move forward. I'll
add this that we gave our subreients one
date and we gave ourselves a little bit
of time in the event.
>> Mhm.
>> Then things stra. So, we do have a
little bit of fluff time. We have some
cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we
did that contractually. We gave that one
time, but we gave ourselves a little bit
of time for [clears throat] projects
that may be a little bit delayed. That
was my that was actually my question
because when we initially started this
conversation with the CBG, excuse me,
with the AR funds we were allocating, we
consistently said people recipients that
they had till the end of 2026. We said
that council you said that. We said
that. So I I believe that some people
kind of thought they had just time and
now um it's been less than by six months
time. That's well understood. So
[laughter]
essentially my question is let's say
they don't quite make it to the end of
June. It takes them to the end of July.
Is there still an opportunity to make
sure that they get
>> Yeah, there's still an there's still an
opportunity. If we would have given them
contracts to the end of the year, they
would
>> we don't have enough time to do
reporting. We don't know what the US
Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our
ducks in the ducks in the row. So there is a little wiggle room, but
there's not much. We're not saying
there's four additional months because
we want to give us ourselves time to
compile whatever it is that is going to
be required by Treasury.
>> Thank you.
>> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills
is a great thing. Do you think that um
that's a conversation you could have
with them to assist maybe with Dur as
well?
I I'll relax. And what's most important
is not even Metroplex being willing.
Metroplex is our partner. So, they want
to support us. It's about our subreients
being willing to accept that um support.
So, we're going to contact our
subreients
and and walk them through that and know
that let them know that that support is
available to them. I I think that DR is
a different situation though because the
funding for that project and Mitch can
touch on that is not really aligned
as as at the time of of application. So
when they applied for it, they said they
had XYZ funding. They've had a
transition in leadership and she's
identified that she doesn't know. I'll
let Mitch elaborate.
>> So I've met [clears throat] with
Reverend Solomon of De Foundation. uh
multiple times and uh
she was not even aware of this in her
only [clears throat] 25 that they
[snorts] even had this.
>> Uh so they did, you know, start moving
forward and try and do some things and
they ran into some snags.
she did, you know, recently back on uh
September 19th, I asked her for a
revised scope of work and revised budget
to see how it fits and she didn't do we
revised budget of $128,000 of the
$339,000.
Uh however, it doesn't really meet the
so the initial funding that we that the
uh city was funding them for provided
some some repairs and upgrades and
furniture to get their steps program
started uh which is a pretty
comprehensive program and that was
supposed to I have their timeline here
and they were supposed to start
construction
uh in January and June construction
would be done and we were going to fund
the programming for a full year after
uh this you know new funding which this
new application obvious budget will not
obviously fund a year's worth of
uh work and the idea was that so they
have 18 months basically of some you
know equipment and upgrades and then a
year's worth of a total of you know a
year's worth six months rehab and
equipment, 12 months of funding to get
the program going. That would give them
the impetus to continue to, you know,
raise funds and and work to, you know,
make sure it gets continued.
>> They will not have that there. And I
don't know how much they can
realistically do in a six-month time
frame between now, you know, six or
eight month time frame between now and
June.
>> And not to get weeds in this, so this
would be the last question around this.
I know.
>> No, but I just I think that this might
be a [clears throat] little more
granular than we want to get. So, if I'm
understanding correctly, then there's
money that was going to go into the like
some construction of a place to house
the program and then we were going to
support said programming, right? So,
would it be impactful for them? And I
think this is something obviously they
can help reach out to like if they if
they found a partner that could provide
them with a programming space that
wouldn't require construction, would
that help them or no? I guess I'm trying
to figure out.
>> They
don't have the programming gear to go.
>> Okay. Are you okay?
>> That's you know they did put in their
new budget project manager
[clears throat]
>> to try and get things started.
>> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're
starting a program from scratch and you
know, Rebecca Solomon was uninvolved in
the initial planning. So, she's coming
in, you know, really fresh and
>> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.
>> When came to council, the program was
supposedly already going.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was Okay.
» [clears throat]
» Sorry guys,
I'm trying to propose myself to this one
because
[cough and clears throat] advocate for
them to receive $525,000
from the county to do the construction
$75,000 to do the exterior.
We're falling apart because we can't put
the program together to manage our
328,000.
>> I
can't say a few more.
>> Yeah, I I think that's something that
seems like there's some key pieces
missing that we might get, but I know
where you're going. So, I think maybe a
conversation.
>> Let's have this.
>> Yes.
>> Any other questions? Thank you so much.
Uh thank you. Any other questions?
>> No, I think she's covered it. Is there
anything that you want to tell us that
you did not ask?
>> No.
>> You ask more money.
>> Smart move. Smart move. I like that.
There you open yourself more question.
>> Thank you.
so much. Thank you for good
guidance today.
>> Thank you.
both.
[clears throat]
>> Chief
Evening.
» Good evening. How you all doing? All
right. Sorry to get you all sweating.
Blame it for the department. Ask me too
many questions. [laughter]
>> They know that.
>> Oh,
>> they would not find that hard. Um, so we
have two questions on revenue. I'm let
hopefully doesn't have that.
The one has to do with follow of the
email that we were sharing in terms of
the um the delinquent um [clears throat]
delinquent parking tickets
>> that um we spoke about last year and if
capital recovery is working with your
team to kind of scare that and um
looking at the actuals it's kind of like
in my eyes it looks on the competition
we had last year and how can we able to
ramp that up to get some higher numbers
into next next year.
>> So, currently in year to date right now,
as of yesterday or today, um we've had
we had $130,64.95
of outstanding tickets.
» That's 1593
tickets paid. Uh the oldest ticket was
issued March 20th of 2000
and then the most recent one was 6
months.
Anything delinquent has 6 months or more
in order to be considered delinquent.
The [clears throat]
um
November of 2024 is when we started
working with uh Capital Recovery.
because that's when the first uh 44,000
I think tickets went out and last year I
can't remember what the um the number
was but the they're we're not paying
anything to them. They're adding above
and beyond what we're
charged.
It's a percentage of what they do.
>> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.
they've collected 32,961
above and beyond what we've collected.
>> Um that was what they've they charge for
the service and lose any of our actual
revenue for it.
>> And
there's I don't know there's maybe other
options for another collection agency
possibly, but there's that's really
nothing that I don't know how other way
to to do right now. We don't actually do
any of this work. It goes from passport
which is our agency goes right from
there to uh Montgomery and they handle
everything for us. So there's no city
involvement as far as that goes and they
just mail the letters out. We let the uh
they let the fees and we pay down
>> the agreement that we have with them can
be taken more than recovery agency. We I
have
I believe it's going to be exclusive,
but I don't know when we'd have to check
the law department on that. I might be
able to get a copy of it as well. But um
we signed it in
probably three years ago, four years
ago. It took that long
to take a long time to go.
[clears throat]
It very well could be expiring or be
out, but um we can definitely find out
when the when the contract expires on
it.
So from the time of Tuesday,
October 14th, so it's like $8,000
more than the last actual provider to
me. Now
>> yes that's you know they keep they keep
adding on to the the amount I just want
you spoke about yesterday
that's $8,000
>> in a in a 6 days 7 days period but the
whole question is um
the revenue that we have in the budget
for 2020 is $170,000
I was thinking that that sooner because
they started last year they're ramping
up now
>> [laughter]
» and work with them to be more aggressive
in terms of pushing all the ticket as
much as they can rather than leaving
them and kind of say okay we'll take it
from there but we want to make more of a
hands-on approach and say guys give us a
report every every two week every month
or where you are and we need to kind of
[clears throat] like ramp it up is that
something that
>> adding more uh work on your side
>> so not there's really not much we can do
from our side with capital recovery
they're They mount letters out. Um they
I think they do eight or nine series
letters. So they they run all the data.
They mount letters out. I don't know if
they don't they make phone calls. They
just they constantly mount the letters
out. Um the only other thing that we do
is we run details internally. So all
these license plates are put into our
LPRs. So our officers drive around the
parking officers. If there's um $300 or
more owed in tickets, like if the go
off, if the officers are not on call,
they might stop the officer or might
stop the car or um in the morning
traffic officers go out. Um I think
>> yeah, I was going to touch I was going
to touch that.
>> I do have that right now.
>> I just got this information. So
[clears throat] this year, so I believe
we ran 27 details.
>> Mhm. Um, we've had 414
vehicles that were towed. 414
vehicles. So, some of those are older,
some of those are new vehicles. As far
as um, SC, as far as like some of them,
that's people that owe $300 or more. The
total revenue that brought in from that.
Some of the people may not have paid um
but the total outstanding tickets was
$218,953
from those and that cost us $24,26.
» I'm sorry. [clears throat] 24,000
>> $26.
>> Thank you.
>> Um
for $218,000.
So 2 has 27 stock details 414 vehicles
towed 218,953
recovered 24,26 in overtime and then
gain of 194747.
When I say net gain it's a gain however
it's money owed to the city. So we're
really paying the overtime but it's
money the city already is owed anyway.
So saying that gain however
>> we're paying to get the revenue back.
>> Yeah. When you look at it to be
[clears throat and cough] We have the
money set aside to pay for the overtime
up or down recovery explosion of $28,000
because if you didn't do that effort
that 280,000 will be still out there.
>> Yes.
So that's 280
>> almost 219,000.
>> 28.
>> So [clears throat] going back to the
building,
» would it be safe for us to increase
$500,000?
>> I
would be gone.
[laughter]
>> So you're a whole bunch more.
>> So I would
>> No, no. Talking about the delinquent
parking, but the recovery
not the delinquent. I would say you're
more apt to increase actual parking
tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not
the delinquent part. The delinquents are
six months old and over.
>> So even though we we've ran,000 taken in
200 something,000
of that 2007,000 only 130,000 of it has
been 6 months older.
>> Okay.
>> So of that 130 that's included in that
too. So the rest of that money has been
six months. So some people just I don't
want to go too off track. Another figure
I'm going to throw at you.
I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old
the one over six months was 101
>> uh over 6 months is
$130,64.95
over six months. How far are back? Not
>> back to 2000.
>> Oh, to 2000. Yeah, we had three tickets
from 2000 and then we had
>> Louise
>> five from 2001, one from 2003 when
>> that was paid.
>> When we were when [clears throat] we
were going through the reports last
year, we had we were we were looking at
a few million dollars of that we think
is like we can recover.
>> Not the one that 10 years old and things
like that, but it was like way beyond
Anybody's [clears throat]
reach
what are we? [clears throat]
» No.
» So right now the you know for three
years so money that is 3 years old or
less is1,252,2851.25
25 million is three years or less. That
is the the highest chance of recovery.
If you go out a total of
10 years and older, just 10 years and
one line alone, there is uh 41,000
tickets that are 10 years and older. And
that is like uh
that money gonna say besides the fact
that we got money we have 200 this year
we
>> $180 from 2000 most likely that
>> so is there is there like so if the
public knows that hey you know we're
going out to get these funds owed to the
city um is there like a I mean besides
having to call down putting is there any like maybe like on an app
or something where people can just enter
in their I don't know if it would be
their license or their car, you know,
maybe their tag number because I'm
thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got
a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we
have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it
doesn't cost the manh hours as it can
reduce some of the manh hours to collect
some of that money. Is there a way to
>> Yes, they can call in at any time or
there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the
website. It's I don't want to say I
think it's connected what's on the main
site but park pay or something like that
and then the license plate didn't be
able to pay and that'll go for all of
the ticket not moving violations though
that just be parking.
>> Okay. All right. So um also if like
somebody has
app and they you know they take part the
delinquent tickets also show off there
don't they
>> uh that would be
>> amounts I don't know
>> that I do not know
>> I don't well I don't have one so I
>> no so when you put something in your
passport and they get a ticket that
doesn't show up on
under your parking fines.
>> So yes, the park the same this is the
same system. So I'm guessing that it
probably is but I'm not I'm about to
[clears throat]
go back to 2000 or go back to four or
five years ago
>> cuz before [clears throat] passport it
was plus
>> so some of our reporting when you go
back four years ago or five years ago
the the reporting sides changed. So that
probably is when you go back to the 5
years.
>> No, I don't mean five years. I meant
like
>> recent.
>> Yeah.
>> So probably show up. So if you if you
have a ticket can go in the passport to
pay for new parking or pay new parking
spot.
» You provide around less 1.2 million.
>> Yes.
>> Do you have a number up to five years?
That includes the doubling of the fun
through four years is 1.48. 48 million.
>> Okay.
>> What is the billing point?
>> 14 1,48,614.
» Okay.
>> And then you add that fifth year
[clears throat]
is 1,671,244.
And when you add the entire thing
together as far back as our records go,
>> um that's the 10 years and all the way
back including everything is 5.25.
>> We need that
right on
>> some of those people are
>> yes they might have been deceased or you
know moved.
>> Yes. We can't [clears throat]
>> this recovery first started in November
of last year.
>> November 2024
since the first tickets got mailed out
and then from that we've got I can't
remember what it was last year. It was
very low um because the first ticket
went out. I can't remember what the the
final revenue was very low. But so far
this year we've got 130,000 so far this
year. Um and it's it's scary. We still
have two more months to go. So hopefully
we'll we'll continue to to see that and
every time ticket gets six months old
and older, it automatically triggers
that they start that flexing process. So
right now
um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588
tickets have a total base value of
29,000 with penalties of 29,000.
the total value of 59,165.
And then 61 to 90 days, we have 634
tickets outstanding with a total value
of 65,000.
91 to 80 days, 192 tickets with a total
value of 194,000. So as these tickets
become older, if we don't get them
through the SC details or people come in
and pay them, those tickets become
delinquent and they am not out and that
will become in this revenue instead of
our regular revenue. But our parking
revenue is um the highest spend ever
just because our our parking guys are
out there really.
>> I think we they talked about this but
I'm not sure about DMV. When would
[clears throat] this report to DMV
>> that um I don't have the answer to that
one?
>> Okay.
>> It's not uh that the law has changed
over the last couple years. So, as far
as the fines go as far as it being just
a fine, they don't I don't believe they
do go unless there's other kind of
circumstances. I don't know what those
are. But overall, I mean, starting last
November and the efforts, I mean, this
year, $130,000 and we still have two
months to go and it's a good effort. I
still sense the feeling that um we're
going to do better next year because
people going to get these tickets more
often. We're going to get the letter
repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better protection into next year might
be a better you know
better better for revenue in terms of
how we we have right now $170,000
cuz
let's say you collect $150,000 this year
next year going to be people they're
going to start pay they realize that
they're getting this letter now it never
used to happen all of a sudden I'm
getting letter notified me that I have I
was planning to kick a steady so I need
to pay for it
now.
>> So it's likely going to kind of like
>> increase up for a little while then
it'll peak and then [clears throat]
>> we'll it'll start to go down a little
bit but to your point right now it's
trending up. So you're saying
>> to maybe increase that line a little bit
because of it's trending up. is driving
up because people are getting they the
agency is sending out letters notifying
individual that they have outstanding
tickets.
>> So what are you thinking now after
hearing that? What do you think?
>> Not $500,000.
[laughter]
>> Chief is looking at
sitting there. I have to like I have to
like push them [laughter] all.
>> She's about to go out there right now
and start.
Okay.
>> All right.
» It's good information. That's why that's
why I asked for you to be back here
because
>> right while they're here,
>> we can sit here. We can sit here and you
know say our you know come up with our
estimate but here where you are and this
is the detail that we need.
>> So that is good information and we'll take that into consideration. And
the next one I want to touch on is the followup uh email the second I think
is the same email second page in terms
of the detail and the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um
7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that
you put there. I apologize if I don't
want to go more about [clears throat]
>> um how often are they doing this? So
this every day
>> no those are the calls we call it stop
law detail it's not really Scott law we
just call it that's been called so we
went out 27 times uh in 2025 year to
date and
uh usually we have three two or three
officers working
I think typically three looks like three
almost every time actually um
the dates and times I think that we
worked in but we had 44 14 vehicles were
towed. We recovered uh $218,953
outstanding tickets,
>> we [clears throat] spent $24,26
in overtime
>> 20. Oh, that's the same as you already
told us that. Okay. for everyone
city got back at approximately $95 back
in return. The u
do we expect new 127 details uh that we
wanted to run. If we were to do it again
next year, we got 80% coverage in 2026.
If we ran 42 details and we did the same
thing if we ran approximately 644
vehicles, we take in approximately
$340,000
would cost us about $37,600.
The projected net gain of $32,000
as a
>> where is this accounted in the revenue?
Oh, so the um
>> that's fine.
>> The regular regular is included in the
uh regular parking price.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. That's
>> So that's the 200,000 for
[clears throat] the but I did not
include any extra in the parking. So if
we were to say we're doing more parking,
we could uh definitely put another
100,000 in there. I would have stayed
there. We would be spending another
17,000 in overtime here from what
overall we expect this year in for
detail. That's what
>> overall we are now losing against the
effort. We're gaining almost 10 time
$100,000 by spending $17,000 is what is
over the last two years is what he's
traffic. Do you see this as something
that we can do more often?
>> As long as we can get the guys to go out
and do it, then yes. This is something
we done in the last couple years and it
was
over the last few years that hasn't been
done
consistently. Last year, uh, it started
to be a little bit now where the tenant
traffic is is very organized and does
very good job. So now it's it's when he
plans it. So what he actually does ahead
of time just goes around and
out there. He go finds all the vehicles
that have been picked or the heaviest
finds the ones that had the most the
most money that are
the guys that owes the most money.
>> There's 27 detail.
How what is the time span between that?
[snorts]
Six months, three months.
>> Uh we did one January 9th, one January
15th. So it was from January 9th.
>> Yeah. Two months.
>> Two months.
Now bear in mind, I just
want to say this that we recogn
recognized that we get 10x our effort
here. But when we gave our budget
request for this year, we only we only
budget it. We only ask for what we
develop could cover twice a month.
>> So we we have to the resources that
we're given, we have to balance them off
really for our core mission to family
life and property, not necessarily
revenue generation. Of course, we'll do
whatever you ask us to do. So
[clears throat] if you want us to do
more, we do overtime to reflect that
>> so we can pay the officers. So within
the period of January to February 20 27
retail and you recover almost 293,000
» January to [clears throat]
that was that was like that was between
January.
>> January
two per month.
>> Yeah. Two per month.
>> I know I was excited.
>> So we did three in January, three in
February, two in March, uh three in
April. Oh, one in June, two in July.
>> Okay.
» So, so you're doing it based on
availability, based on officers taking
off time within that period of time.
3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.
>> That's primarily time.
>> That's all.
>> Go ahead.
It doesn't have so it has to be over
time. I can't so uh officers are at the
break regular shift and not I won't say
in their downtime but like in between
time
>> so they can so our parking officers do
it during the daytime when they're
working that's they definitely do that
our officers if they are working if they
have downtime they can right now on
midnights um they have an assignment
where they are doing parking tickets
overnight um may have gotten some
complaints from that because they they
[laughter] have picked up their
>> Oh yes
>> they have picked up their parking They
are uh they are doing pretty aggressive
parking and if they come across any
scops they do. Uh the details are more
of a targeted to get where he goes
through and finds the people that have
basically go through and finds him and
then take a while to get they line up
the tow trucks ahead of time so they're
not waiting. So they're letting the
truck drivers know, hey, we're doing a
scout detail tonight. Can you have a
couple extra drivers on drivers know hey
you're doing it? And then he lines up
the the tow companies and lets everybody
know we're going how I'm doing it. So
it's it's like a
>> it's a mission.
>> So it's so
>> I was just going to say that there is
there are some tensions to balance here.
>> Right. Right. So I mean and and because
I know we're seeing dollar signs and I'm
like oh but I I want to be
>> just be mindful that we don't want to
make up our entire you know uh uh we're
not trying to look at our entire deficit
well force seed deficit right now on for
ticketing. I think that that's a law. It can get to a point where it be where
it is feels predatory on the people that
live here, which then will really put
our uh officers in a tough position as
we're still trying to maintain and build
strong community partnerships. So, we
have that's something we have to keep in
mind.
>> So, does this priority are $300 plus?
>> These are only 300 plus. We do not so
far less than that.
um just because that's the number you
see that's how much code is. So we're
not take doing that. If somebody does
come out and they have they want to pay
it, they can they can pay it for the
card right through their through the
app. They can they can do that. So we're
not taking somebody's car if they they
do want to pay that. and they've
received uh right through the uh the
formula that we can see we can see how
many times in the dates that they
received letters and how many contacts
they've had prior so they didn't know
about it. [clears throat]
>> We can actually see the letter that they
received and how many times. So
typically, you know, it's um they got
received the ticket, received a notice
that it was going to double. Then it's
they've typically see four or five
notices before we're actually taking the
car at time. So there's they've received
many notices before.
>> It's not we're not just it's
>> showing that that detail and just taking
>> people typically know that we're
taking [clears throat] they don't
they're not happy about it. They they don't
>> and said that the benefit of getting
around is pay your ticket when you get
it.
>> People start paying rent. So it's it's a
balance and the more we do the less
opportunity we'll have to be around.
>> Any question
for you? This is good information. Thank
you.
>> I thought we asked something about speed
cameras, didn't we? Didn't you have
something about speed cameras you was
asking?
>> Yeah, you had a question about that
revenue and it was based on
results.
>> Yes, we do. So we bought I think $2.3
million for the free damage.
>> Yes. For the
came up with that.
So I just threw a dart out there and I
said, "Let's go." [laughter]
» For you.
» So instead of me do a hand out for
everybody.
>> Yeah, everybody. It's the easiest way.
Everybody has it. Just so this is with
the help of a vendor
name that I think
that we had a demo with that we were
thinking about using.
>> Oh, okay.
>> And
the stats
they gave us with the averages of what
um
the city's like powers meet. this
the say that typically
uh we so in the legislation that has not
been signed yet. So I'm not sure if
that's I have a copy of that but that
has not been signed. It's made it
[clears throat] through both houses but
has not been signed.
>> I think in there it says the city of
Skenctity if approved would have 20 up
to 20 zones. So the zones could be 20
different ways. So the
average, this is a conservative average
>> for a city our size compared to what
they do. They do these across the US and
other countries as well, but be 400
tickets per both directions per month.
>> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid
um for a certain amount of time and
those have a 60% collection rate.
>> Wow. then escalate to a $75
payment and then there's a 10%
collection rate on that and then there's
30% that stay uncollected or over time
they slowly trickle in then so on here I
put the numbers 240 40
so then we this is still would be
negotiation but I'm putting in their
assumption of 50% of the same share that
it's per direction So each direction we
would have receive 6,000,500
and then get 4,500 on collective which
sit there and we would have discussions
like on how we're going to collect that
money. Um multiply that up by the point
zones
each direction and the nine months a
year of the assumptions and that's where
I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1
million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million
over there
and then down below was 2.6 7 for 9, 2.4
for 8 if and if it didn't come right
away if the legislation or the bill was
not signed until later on.
>> And now there is you can also run it for
schools that run summer school. You can
run it
>> for those or any schools that have
activities that are school related in
the summertime. So you can run it for
more months than that.
>> You can or you can't
>> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year
round or any any time that a school
function is in place. So you can run it,
but the most places
I'm very conservative and I went with
the assumption 9 months.
>> The council mayor may decide not to go
with 20 zones. We have a list of all the
schools. So depending on where everybody
wants to see them, you may go with not
20 zones or it may not make sense to do
>> both directions. Some schools might make
sense to only go one way instead of
going both ways. M.
>> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.
I took these numbers and then I dropped
them down. So just in case there was
some
higher than these obviously those in the
papers, you know. Um but these are
[clears throat] this is where the
numbers started from before I was just
because I don't find you guys later on
that.
>> Okay. So in Albany there's so I I think
I remember reading that that like people
were challenging the tickets and they
were
being successful and challenging based
on how those tickets were issued. Is
that like something that you're aware of
that?
>> So that I don't know about those as far
as more like bus patrol. I know you guys
questions on those as well. The bus
patrol tickets those were
>> Oh, I was talking about the school speed
zone tickets.
Yeah,
>> I'm not super familiar so much with
those being um tested as more as the bus
controls definitely were.
>> Okay. So,
>> and there is a now there's been some
changes to how the system works and how
the certifications are and those have
been worked around and although that's
been fixed.
>> So, [clears throat] if there was some
can test something that was tested on
that. I'm sure that's either fixed or if
it works to be fixed. There was some uh
slight things with bus control when it
first came out. They needed to have a
different angle and there had to be a
certification
>> like a plate picture on there
>> and that was fixed. Luckily we were on
the back end of getting it when other
people were so we didn't have that that
issue.
>> Um so if there that was an issue I don't
I'm sure that will be executed by the
time we are
>> cool. Go ahead.
>> Thank you. You said on [clears throat]
this you haven't decided how to collect
these.
Elaborate on that. So [clears throat]
>> the the uncollected the
>> Oh, the uncollect.
>> So this right here is is again what kind
of works like bus patrol,
>> right?
>> This one the the system sends the P or
it can be somebody else uh video in a
picture of a car.
This in the legislation has to be over
10 miles an hour. So if the school speed
zone is 20, it has to be at least 31
miles per hour. So it can't be anything
less than 10 miles per hour. So it's
automatically set to 11 miles per hour.
>> Okay?
>> So school zones 20 or 15 whereas
>> it has to be 11 miles hour before it
gets triggered.
>> And then there's a picture, there's the
video, there's license plate, and then
it gets their company reviews it. And
then it gets sent to us. We we review it
and then get sent to the video and the
picture gets sent to the registered
owner. These I believe more people are
willing to pay these. It's $50 or the
bus patrol tickets $250 and these are
$50. So I think that's why these have a
higher collection rate than some of the
other ones.
>> But there would you need an officer or
someone to review what they what the
company's done too.
>> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what
we're doing currently as well. So every
time somebody we do those videos it uh
we have to review those and then after
we review it the law department if
somebody says
>> no
testing it then the law department
reviews it and then they they'll bring
it to court.
>> Go ahead.
>> So it's a little off this but I did
recently have a phone call from a
resident who had received the higher
ticket and basically said why were you
there that's my car.
etc. And I So my question is, which is
not related to budget, I'm sorry. I told
her to call the police department or go
down to the police department and and is
that was that the right advice to give
this person?
>> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their
car, then um definitely look at it. A
lot of times we get their say that
there's no way that I would do something
like that. And if that's the case, then
we would say the law department would be
the way to go. Um
>> gotcha. So they would be able to there
in the mail actually has a link where
they can watch the video of the vehicle.
>> The ticket, the video, the pictures, all
sorts of things happen. But if some for
some reason they say that's not my car,
then that would be like okay, we could review it and we would say
that's a night license plate that's not
a a blue Buick
>> and then we would be able to tell if
there's an issue with the registration
vehicle and we could take care of that.
But if it's there's no way that I don't
think that I actually ran through it.
>> Most people 99% of the people aren't
don't say that because it's it's clearly
clear as that. You actually see like
four angles. I think it's referring to
the bus. You actually see yourself going
through it.
>> Um it's very it's very clear. I would
say that's all part because once the
ticket's issued, we can't unless it's a
technical issue, we can't get rid of it.
So it's
>> so once the ticket is issued.
>> Okay. So thank you. Um, so you said that
this estimate of how much we would get.
So there's room for negotiation that we
could get 60% versus 50.
>> There it's possible. Um, I believe that
the 50 is going to probably be where it
is, but we there's the potential. There
is potential for that. The uh our bus
patrol started off as a different rate
and then we renewed after a year. uh our
commissioner really beat him up and got
us a better rate after one year and
>> Oh, I remember that.
>> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.
>> So, we have not signed obviously signed
anything. It's a master service
agreement. It's um we don't pay anything
for the company that we currently engage
with. The city pays no money with it.
It's they install everything. They do
everything. They collect some money. Um,
but there was no cost to us, but there
would be a negotiation phase to it. So,
>> does that mean I can increase this to
400,000?
[laughter]
>> I would say if uh if anybody knows the
governor, if you want to call her, have
her sign the right way in. I know soon
as she soon as we do get it put in,
obviously we want to do a uh a campaign
right away to advise everybody, right?
That's definitely the the right way to
do it is to we can even they starting
sooner than later to put it out say
these are coming just uh once she signs
it I believe it's following month that
they can start putting them out I think
is how the the law works
>> and I think they can get them in between
like 7 to 14 days if we were to go into
certain company and everybody agreed
that contract is signed they go pretty
quick but they definitely want to do a
at least a month or several weeks of a campaign, let people know what's
happening because
stick them out there, right? Products,
but they do do a like a mailing out
campaign. So, it's it can be however
long it's decided where they'll get like
a warning for a certain amount of time,
they'll get to actually get warning to
say, you know, you're speeding and
>> slow down.
Go ahead. So, do you can you get the
legislative the number of Oh, you have
it. Thank you. Because I [clears throat]
>> like to follow up on this.
>> Here are two copies.
>> Thank you.
[clears throat]
>> Are there any other questions?
» Well, in terms of the funding, this is
the detail is categorized under the
>> on revenue. Yes. So 610 AMD
approximately the [clears throat]
>> do you have where where would this fall
or you
own its own mine? I believe he I believe
commissioner
>> you talking about
>> this this detail recovered 219,000 but
it's not in
that
26 2610
>> B okay
2610
>> [clears throat]
>> Okay,
I got a question for the chief.
>> Well,
um I think that I I think he probably
had to have to leave, but Mr. Williams
had asked about a couple of the capital
budget pieces,
>> right? I think of the green.
>> It was answered.
>> Oh, this is an old I thought this we
just had this tonight.
I think the name October 22nd is the
date from the school
tonight.
>> Yeah.
>> So he
um two of his recommendations and I know
we had the discussion already about the
capital fund. Uh the capital budget
doesn't affect our what we're looking
for here but it would affect us next
year. So I think it's worth um trying to
ask the questions. And so on his behalf,
um he's wondering um about removing from
the police department half of the
vehicle allocations as well as um
removing department evidence storage
solutions. Um so that would be 273k for
the first two gay. Um so would you like
to talk about what impact that would
have if we were to um try to reduce the
capital budget by
>> so I'll start off with the evidence um
that one I've actually tried to apply
for grant in the past um that one right
now we have station
to um that are in and out is full so
we're supposed to be pulling policy says
we're actually pulling the salt by the
prisoners in and out
>> and we can't because it is full of uh we
have over bikes. We have
um our deliveries and other items coming
inside of there. So, we have no room in
there because where we were supposed to
keep that stuff is full evidence. So
down in the parking lot uh right bro is
completely full of evidence and our
basement is completely full of evidence
and we have absolutely no room left for
it.
>> Okay.
>> Um and besides that
>> besides that we actually uh we have 10
freezers in our basement that uh is
currently they're overheated and we're
getting them worked on regularly because
we don't have any track in that room in
the building. We wanted to I thought we
were going to do a bigger project, but I
think that's future years that's going
to be extremely expensive,
>> right?
>> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000
um HVAC mini smaller project that we had
quote for last year to get uh air
conditioning air venting in
our freezing with water. And though all
our freezers are full, so we need
freezer space. Um, unfortunately, we're out of it. So, we have to buy it.
We had to buy another freezer and we
don't have a place to put it. So,
$10,000.
>> So, long story short is we that is the
most crucial thing of anything.
Obviously, we can talk about the other
things, but we are chucked out of space
and we we need we need space very badly.
>> One of the reasons for that is that
state changed the detention rates that
we had to. So, now we can't get rid of
evidence.
>> Yeah. We got into
one was unfunded mandates where they
have to keep these for 30 years now and
>> 30 years.
>> We [clears throat] gave up our break
room for store evidence. We just keep
losing space in our building store
evidence that has to be stored for
upwards of 30 years and she just me but
we budgeted we budgeted higher than
50,000 ready to cut it down.
>> Yes. We asked for uh we asked for we
asked for uh for storage freezer and
training and it got cut from the 700
down to the free spot for now so you can
move some stuff around. So it moves down
to down to the bar
like and obviously next year we coming
back and asking for
other
>> and then the other well just to finish
the other one that Mr. Williams was
asking about was half the vehicle
obligations as well. I highly
>> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want
to, but if that's a decision that um
there is, then we would just do that.
Right now, that was cut down from the
initial uh we had asked for
>> 13 I think that's down to nine, I think.
So, that's one parking vehicle, three
patrol vehicles, and four detected
vehicles. One evidence down. Oh,
>> I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes. So,
that's If we had to do that, then we
would we would make do with do that. So,
whatever.
>> The danger with that is we're talking
the ability to buy cars next March or
next May, and it's usually about a
one-year process from getting it and
getting it upfitted before it hits the
streets. The ones that were approved
that we purchased this past May, we
haven't even gotten them yet.
>> Yeah. One today, actually, yesterday.
>> Or was that from the year before? That
was from the year before. So, May of 24.
Mhm.
>> We haven't gotten those colors yet. So,
there's always that.
» So, I'm going to finish up the shipping.
I have a shipping container. Is that is
that essential to buy from people to
make
>> like that's in the capital
anywhere? So we're actually from
speaking to the mayor either locate them
in an area of our parking lot that's
currently grass a grassy null or
potentially put them on top of the
police department because there's a flat
roof that can wait stand that way just
looking for space to utilize in l of
building a building or buying a building
putting on top of the building that
would be it we we haven't gone through
that vetting process yet. thick. Yes,
it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this
a full freezer. It' be a a freezer by 8
by40 freezer
>> which is more efficient than running 10
individual commercial
>> you use less power. It's an investment.
It's a lower cost time.
>> Go ahead.
>> Thank you. And the important of this
importance of this for cold cases DNA
everything to save kids things like
[laughter] that
for sure.
>> Yeah. Right.
So, um, so with the vehicle questions
like in 2020 when we're putting our 2025
budget together, there was a request for
two SUVs, three hybrid sedans, and a
hybrid van.
>> Yes.
So, none of those two say we
received this point. Y so on those um so
what did we so what were the uh what
were the what did we actually
>> yes you in 20 for the 2025 budget two
SUVs
>> y
>> three hybrid sedans
>> y
>> and three hybrid vans
>> we received some of them so the three
hybrids uh those are on the quarter and three
hybrid sedan sedans we actually went
with um EVs and we sold one of those
today and the other two are on order.
And then the two SUVs,
um, we looked to order one of those, uh,
get the mini bid back the other day, but
it's not pull the trigger on it. And the
other one, um,
I don't think we worked that yet.
[clears throat]
>> So, with the hybrids, is that going to
be an increased cost? Uh, excuse me,
with the EV, is it going to be increase
instead of just a hybrid versus a
straight EV is what you said that you
ordered instead of
>> No. So no, there's the same we we stay
within the within the capital within the
budget. Now everything's been within
those within the lines.
>> So now in the 20 for the 2026 budget,
it's saying we just need three moreish.
>> So
>> yes,
>> a total of five in the last
>> Yes.
>> two years to replace to
>> Yeah. to replace. Yes. So we had we the
SUVs that are patrol cars, our frontline
cars. So those are the ones that to skip
fortunately those are beat up pretty
heavily. So the ones that patrol those
are the ones that need to be those are
hybrids to the SUVs.
The uh patrol interceptors they're all
those end up getting rid of our chargers
that we had. Those are back from
>> 2020 maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest
one we have now. So those are all
getting phased out. Our old ones are
down on phosph getting auctioned off.
Oh, that's my next question. What
happens?
>> We every time we get auctioned off, if
there's something that's semidecent, in
fact, we have all of the other
departments, they aren't interested
because they're
so everything that we have is
an accident.
Don't say that money goes
>> money goes back into the revenue and not
our budget but there's a line general
and I think
>> no general and the uh there's a line
that's sale of vehicles.
>> Yeah, I see one. So you mentioned about
um parking with some of the people
can we send people action not to the
parks department because of the only
from about 8 in the morning or 7 to 5.
>> So we did do that. That's typically what
we do do is we bring them is uh right
now actually we did do that with one of
our our last vehicles that was moved
forward to parking. So we have two I'm
sorry right now we have three vehicles
parking I believe [clears throat] that
were old vehicles and the other one is a
an EV uh that we had. It was a Chevy
Bolt and the plan was to buy a Chevy
Bolt for next [clears throat] year. The
one of the vehicles in parking is just
uh I think it's pretty much fall apart.
I I think the conversation about the
capital budget when we did this a day or
two, it was more of um can we hold up on
capital spending because of the
situation we
facing a a budget a proposed budget of
17%. And then fees on top of that and
then this is not going to affect the
budget. We're borrowing money, but we
have to we have taxpayers going to have
to pay for this in 2027. [clears throat]
That's more borrowing than them already.
Now, we're pushing that into next year.
>> So, that was open discussion a couple
days ago in terms of can we put these
up? I would say that that you can I
would just say that you know I just my
only thing would be in the future you
know I might come back and say that we
need vehicles and I just don't want to I
don't want to keep kicking the can too
far down the road but absolutely you
know what the council decides that then
we will live with whatever the council
decides the the [clears throat] evidence
I wouldn't do that
>> ask you to strongly consider not cutting
that one
>> um but the vehicles if you had to cut
that in half I would say that we will we
will deal with whatever you guys have to do to do a service for the city.
>> So right now you have three SUVs, four
unmarked. So are you saying
I'll say two and two unmarked and could
you and then you still want the parking?
>> I would love to have they are they
[clears throat] do a very good job for
us and that's actually the cheapest
vehicle we buy and we actually made team
on that. So, [clears throat] uh, it
would actually be be pretty pretty
reasonable
>> price to keep it
right.
» Thank you.
for holding that up. Yeah,
because you know it's good that we had
>> Oh, I saw this memo. Thank you.
>> From Carl from Mr. Williams.
>> Yes.
>> About the discussion and things about
it. That's what the whole center
discussion about the U capital budget is
because of um
>> we need to get out of where we are right
now
>> and then we need to find a recovery of
how we move forward in the seven.
>> Any other question on this part?
>> So I don't want to continue going but
there are two more questions that was
asked of me. So
>> I don't want I don't want to miss out
and have to come back. [laughter]
you wanted to know about going into or
somebody that's
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just
noticed that I got to see what line
>> but it doubled.
>> Yeah.
>> The question was that it doubled and I
was thinking and I was just trying to
figure out that's line
>> a 1789
>> and a
>> and and and a so I was just trying to
figure out
>> why how did we get to doubling? So we
were asked to come up with a way to
increase revenues
months ago and that was just one
>> good answer. Oh [laughter]
» we we did renegotiate which
responsibilities
charge the people that are actually the
total numbers
>> the contract
year or two ago.
>> Yes.
>> So that is kicking in this year. already
» said the administrative.
>> So who is that? Who is that? It absorbs
that the caller is the people who are um
getting their car because it's divided
between the two of them
typically [clears throat]
but typically it's it's on insurance
calls.
>> Okay. So accidents I understand.
However, if someone's getting their
parts because of the license
and so on, those double C's app.
>> Yes. Police request. Yes.
>> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,
I guess it would be, right?
>> Or or if you're cop registration or
license,
you can't get somebody to take the time.
If it's a police request
drive,
» I think we're talking $35 or $70.
>> Yes. Yes.
» Um well, can I go further with that? So
what you if you're including the port
for the to the um to amounts
those search charges only for the
administrator it didn't include the
impound lot is a totally separate thing.
So how so I understand how we get to the
search charge for the towing but the
impound lot is that is it our lot is it somebody else's lot right?
>> Yes. So right now uh they can char the
tow companies charge up to $200 for a
toe and the third the city gets $35 per
toe and then the impound lot they the
tow companies take them back and tow
there and they get 70 up to $75 per day.
City gets $10 per day. So we would
double that to $20 per day and double
the amount of money.
>> Oh. So we're only d we're not doubling
the fee for the lot. That 75 doesn't
become 50.
>> Correct. Correct.
>> But 10 becomes 20. So, and we think it
we could either tell them that we want
to keep and take money from the tow
company or negotiate that or say it
wants to be $85 and then you just add
$10 on that. [clears throat]
>> Okay.
>> I thought they Isn't there like a limit
that they can charge per day like state
law or something like that? Like they
can't No, that so that
>> Okay. Okay. I thought
» but either way $10 and Okay.
I'm sorry again. I'm just looking at
Australian sheet and there was one other
one is which is the uh it's 3120 a
312402
um
and it I think he's looking at the um
public safety foundation which in this
budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of
the 25,000 that we used to have. Um
because I don't understand I guess I'm
not really understanding Mr. Williams is
um
>> yeah he's looking at the actual we have
outstanding invoices
the public safety commission on
the one in the park
of all the invoice being
>> yes
>> today
um I believe they all have um for that
event and all the events everything what
we have not done uh after anyone was
done with the
You have I say Halloween.
>> Yeah, that's coming up.
>> We did not do the
» don't
» and we did not do there's several ones
that we did not do obviously not paid
for towards the end of the year when the
budget the last couple months uh just
the budget started getting or the budget
was getting
>> a little tighter. We just
>> we didn't we didn't try to consult we
were
>> okay you know what I'm asking I was the
wrong it was the wrong line um Mr.
Williams,
>> he is asking to reduce that line.
>> Yeah, he's asking also
>> he said, but I said the wrong one.
>> He's asking for
>> reducing less%.
>> I said the wrong one, but
>> yeah,
>> he go ahead.
>> He he because I couldn't figure it out
myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's
402, not 40. I was talking about 402b,
the public safety foundation, but
actually Mr. Williams's question is
about the administrative expense. 312402
which the budget um I mean year to date
we've spent um only 48
uh 48% of it 48.7K
um and in the 2026 budget um it's being
reduced
» it's not u it's not being reduced and so
I think I think I don't want to put
words into his mouth
So from from the 2025 adopted to the
2026 proposed is being reduced by 700
>> 11 1,700.
>> Yes. 1,700.
So Mr. Williams is asking that we reduce
another 25%.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.
Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an
additional 25,000
>> based on So I want to get your your
thought on that as well. Does the admin
expense?
>> Yes.
>> So there's it was 25. We we we proposed
107500.
» I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry. 402
not 40 to um A, B, or C. want to have
this
or two here.
>> I I'm getting so
>> it's really the regular administrative
expense that Mr. Williams is Mr.
Williams is saying perhaps we could
reduce
>> $10,000. Correct.
>> Yes. He's suggesting reducing it by
$25,000.
And I think that he's saying that
because year to date, which I know these
are don't have all our figures in, but
year to date
>> 48.7.
>> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.
So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe
it's because the last quarter
>> many of the contracts get renewed, John.
So, I know we just contracts when
they're
>> just moved from our copy release. We
just signed um couple days ago. So, I
got to find out what that is. Um I can
tell you that historically, but I'm not
sure if this is still practice, but
Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some
supplies at the end of the year, and
that was that would be common practice
prior to the beginning of the year
because we had a surplus. I don't know
that I'm going right now.
>> Original request of 1234 was not there,
but
>> Oh, okay.
>> But um I can see exactly what we had
coming up due for that.
» A big one.
>> That was that's our supply.
>> Yes. So on on administrative?
>> No, that's that's our supply.
This is our guardian software
or not guardian software. Um
our air strike on the engine will
destruction of drugs
reimbursements
shredded.
So I can back to that when I actually
see what we've spent out of that to see
more detail and see
[clears throat and cough]
what kind of effect that would have on
us.
>> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.
Thanks you [laughter]
>> October. October
>> October
>> September. Yeah. No, I guess
>> any other questions.
>> Was one more on my sheet?
>> Oh, there. Okay, just so everybody had
to be asking about bus control.
>> U bus patrol was not reducing the
numbers.
>> Um reduced by 200,000 from last year
this year.
>> So the answer to put in mind what we
actually received. So this year to date
uh as of uh the end of September we are
at 249
it's called $250,000
and
um we renegotiated
it with 300 July. So now we feel that
400,000 is an actual number compared to
600,000.
The renegotiation made it so that during
the summer months there there used to be
a technology fee. We no longer have to
pay that which was eating up all the
revenue that we had throughout the
summer months.
>> And our source technology feed is cut in
half throughout the rest of the year. So
that really um saved us about $200,000 a
year automatically u without
fees a little bit different now. And I
know that we have a lot of unlected
funds.
Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000
uncollected funds there and we're owed
about 60% of that as well. So there's
about $600,000 of uncollected funds out
there and cost. How much is that?
>> Uh about $600,000 $50 million out there.
About $600,000. So, we have currently
$250,000
actual.
>> Yeah.
>> Receive.
>> Yeah. 2 $250.
>> $600,000 outstanding.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> That's over the last two years.
>> Um outstanding. Currently in the last
year, right now we have $147,000.
That's
we're about to
depending on it
50% or a lot of involved and they go
through
on it that would be 60%.
So it's at a minimum 50%. Uh 2271 to 360
days 147,000
181 to 270 is 178,000.
90
[clears throat]
less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are
uncontested unplayed tickets. We have uh
people that have contested it and
they've lost and that is $10,000. So
that's we have $5,000.
>> What revenue revenue line is that?
>> That's
26.
>> Okay. So if we
actual it's 250,000 and that is like
current or September
>> that's current that's as of uh today I
just got the end of number sorry that's
through September 30th
>> through September 30th I don't have
I usually like between around October
10th I'll have the numbers through
October.
>> So look at current for September and
look at how much you have outstanding
$600,000 that
>> that's 356
>> that is due to
What's three?
>> Are they any recovery efforts in terms
of us rather than the law department?
But
>> right now, uh the law department I
believe is working they're working on
getting [clears throat]
I believe they're working on getting
something.
>> Yeah, we're working on it. But by the
same token, it's $200,000. These are not
parking tickets.
>> Yes.
>> And these the [clears throat] I think
the police department will will say that
people who are getting these tickets are
contesting these tickets. These are not
$50 tickets. These are, you know, you go
on a certain day of the week and there's
bus patrol tickets going on that we're
prosecuting. So you I think that there's
figures that the police department has
provided are figures to go by in light
of the fact that we have to deal with,
you know, people who are contesting
these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200.
You know, it's an incentive for people
to contest a ticket if they feel that
they have been
wrong. And also,
this is not where, you know, we're
talking about parking. You're talking
about parking tickets about going to
DMV. These aren't being lean these don't
impact and this is probably you know a
deficit in the legislation that these
tickets these unpaid tickets are not
[clears throat] impacting the vehicle
when people go to register. Oh,
>> do you? So that's, you know, if that was
me referred to DMV unpaid
>> tickets,
>> then people would when the registrations
would come up, they would see all these
tickets on the because the tickets
aren't to the person, they're to the
vehicle.
>> Right. Right.
>> This is a lot of work for a lot of
>> This is a huge This is You should be up
there because we've got people
contesting it. We show people the video.
We talked to the people beforehand. We
That's on pre-trial day. And then even
after that we have to then go to trial
with you know with the with witnesses
and documentation. So I think the
figures that the police department are
giving you are realistic figures and
that you know there's a broader issue
about bus you know you know bus control
you know tickets as far as getting that
revenue that's for UNC you know those tickets where people default if
you will in terms of percentage of
people getting control of it.
>> Um I I can only give you that off hand.
I mean I can't
>> I mean over the last several months
>> I I I'll have to look at I can't give
that figure to you right off hand. I'll
talk to the staff in our office who
prosecutes the tickets
>> if you don't mind because we we would
like to look at that to kind of
>> gauge oursel in terms of what is being
contested ticket
boss patrol and how much are being tr
how much are being challenged because
it's it's it is you know we're talking
about you know you know the amount of
you know there's there's police time on
these tickets and there's corporation
count time on these
as well as so um just managing
expectations.
[laughter]
>> So in those cases where people are
contesting
>> usually aren't they offered like
reduction
>> the trouble is is that it doesn't we're
this is we have no wiggle room
>> understood okay I got you
>> there's no wiggle room
>> I understand
>> so Mr. Can I [clears throat] just ask a
question? So, basically, just to get
back to it,
>> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.
>> And we should not cover that.
>> I mean, the 4,000 is a is a realistic
number. And I would say that I will keep
an eye on it. If for some reason it
starts to like we're we are seeing an
increase now with the new contracts
and it was going great. I would have
come with you next year and say hey you
know
>> a million
[laughter]
say you know happen to the year say hey
if there's something else you guys want
to do there's you know where's an extra
we might we have $500,000 an extra
$100,000 to do something with but I
would say I would keep I would keep
>> we would I would keep $400,000
>> did you uh did you factor in the
uncollected into this $400
>> I did not include any uncollected into
that should put an estimate towards that
because I'm sure you're going to collect
it over the years They right now I don't
know how about this to go about the
unclected and right now the bus patrol
is in talk about how they're going to do
the unclected. I think there's um
possibly they might be changing the way
the ticket process is working so that
they might be able to do a simple um a
different process possibly or um the law
department they have to contest and they
have to they have it's a lot in order to
get a judgment um it's a lot of work
>> because it's a lot of signing $600,000
does this does
um S charge added to this.
>> There's no right now 250 and that's it.
>> This is there's no there's no
legislation right now. So in the future
there's potentially we could come to you
and there's a process in place to say to
add legislation to this. I don't
actually I don't know if that's even
possible but it's it's a state law. It's
a state law.
200 hours and
>> that's why you can't there's no room for
negotiations.
>> Yeah, because I'm looking at it. I mean,
you have all standing just for the
company parking. We're making an
estimate. So, we're going to collect X
amounts over the next year. I mean, we
should look at this as a potential
revenue against the outstanding tickets.
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. I mean,
>> so I think we can't just leave that
zero. We definitely going to get some
>> there going to be some payments against
the understanding.
>> Yeah, there will be some. I just don't
know.
>> Yeah, I think we just need to make a
good estimated
>> because
which line are you talking
>> but but they just said that they thought
that 400,000 is realistic
which is which is a million out there
600 of it is. So if you think if if you
know one sick you get if you get you
know
>> if you get a chart of it
>> right
>> that is that's a little that's a little
>> right
>> but we so we just have to balance it out
with the expense of
>> right
>> but the expenses are already
>> going to challenge it yes because you
know sometime people are not conscious
of a there I got a ticket
on the bus and I think that u get away
with Okay.
>> Yeah, that we may want to consider that
because if 600 outstanding
» any other question regarding this
>> we have any more question
>> I was going to ask you let me know
>> that's all I ask
>> one more you
>> never going to be
with regards to the detail and it's um
pretty
Would it be unfair to say that if we
were to say okay 50 details per year
would that be that would help and at the
same time as we do that we will have to
increase the to match whatever is
collected.
So right now we spend $24,000 $25,000
time for that revenue 400,000.
If we were to say, let's double it and
set aside $50,000 total time to kind of,
you know, to do to cover those details,
would that be a a big haul?
>> Maybe it could be done. Maybe
that was
>> the thing that we're we're we're putting
over time there. So the officers are
weird. We have no time [clears throat]
to cover that. It's not like, okay,
well, vote. We'll figure out.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I was
we did 27 so far this year and um I
think he said 42 which one of the best
he did for me for next year.
>> So I'm right there
» later.
I'm think I'm thinking heavy on this. So
I I'll let you know. [laughter]
Any other question for uh the chief?
>> So, so I just wanted to make clear so if
we increase the um and based on the
number so far we would get how much we
take in to put against the
>> 220 it will be it would be like 440,000
but we'll have to take 50,000
>> minus 50.
>> Okay.
>> We taking in revenue but we have to put
some money there so we can't just stick
in money and add um topping up the over
time. So what I'm sorry could you just
tell me again the line I was trying
>> that is a 2610 B
>> and so you're thinking
>> well we'll discuss that when we get into
the dete
that's internal [laughter]
too much out there. Let people know that
you know
>> it's not like you're not hiding. You're
not hiding anything but everyone's
watching.
>> You know, paperwork.
>> Any other
Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
for coming back and well
good guidance to help us.
» [laughter]
>> Mr. Motor, you want to take?
>> Yeah, we can. Oh, just before before we
take a break.
» Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need
that from you. We'll take a break.
>> What time do you think we are going to
try to have a hard stop this evening?
» What time do you want to go?
I just
>> Oh,
[clears throat]
>> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but
>> it's
not
just starting to get like
» Yeah. I think the best thing would be if
council give me an email for whatever
changes do
>> so then I can put into an Excel
spreadsheet for Friday's meeting for uh
tomorrow night.
>> That is the reason why I said we're
doing a little bit.
>> So we should probably um
>> line by line.
>> No, we not line by line. I did what the
recommended um recommended changes that
was submitted to the back and forth.
We'll do column again proposed budget.
We'll list it as council proposed
proposal,
>> right? What we usually do for
>> water.
>> So all the proposal that was submitted
to you, we have them. So insert those
into the into the
>> unless we disagree with some of them
from the discussion.
>> That is for discussion Friday. It is for
us to discuss it. But we want to see
where we lie in So, what else do we need
to do tonight then
>> if we're going to do I mean
>> you're doing that tonight. You're going
to have him go back to his office and
give us back.
>> I'm sorry. I'm just I'm not
understanding.
>> All council changes will be consolidated
to one.
>> Right.
>> Doc the council proposal.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> No, no, no, no, [laughter] no.
Let's do it how we used to have them in
the past.
>> Proposed budget.
>> We insert a column. We're not doing a
separate sheet. uh we just you know
listed line you know line by line going
down whatever they proposed changes
against those lines we did we're doing
the same thing to the revenue to we
maintain the mayor's budget as we're
going to touch I mean insert column and
we're putting the council
>> council
>> proposal
>> so we want comparison here with it and
then we have a separate total
proposal city council proposal and this
is a new total
>> so
>> we will discuss that Friday then we say
you don't you don't like it you like it
and then we move forward and then we
talk about it at that point we need to
move forward now because we're like
they're showing papers here that's right
>> and we do not have numbers to actually
look at and see where where the actual
changes need
>> so so can get a consolidated email from
for all so we're not looking at hundreds
of emails trying to
» I mean we have mostly emails
>> but we just have more based on
discussion here. We're going to have
some more exper
» I can cut and paste all the
>> Oh, wait. Is that
>> No, we can discuss this discussion.
>> So,
>> well, you've got people in the room. So,
it's really [laughter]
>> No, we're not negotiation. We're trying
to formalize how we get the report.
>> So, because we need to we need to look
at numbers and we need to look at um
They saw a lot of people make
recommendation.
I'm going to make some
and just stay in order. That's what I
>> I'm going to go through mine in terms of
my revenue. You go through yours in the
meantime and try to see if we can get u
some attraction.
>> So, are we done with the revenue part?
>> No, we're about to start it. I am gonna
start my revenue. I'm gonna make my
recommendation.
>> And Sam, can you please make
» [clears throat]
» You have to take this out.
>> You have you have a copy. You have a
copy of my email and I'm going to go
through the email that I sent. Everybody
has a copy of it.
» This one right?
>> Yes.
Yeah.
» Sir, you have a copy of the CP?
>> Yeah.
>> So, I'm going to go through this and I'm
going to tell you which one I am making
adjustment and which one I'm adding.
>> Okay.
>> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as
is.
» I know it's 10:02. I'm just saying.
Okay. Oh, you starting right.
>> I'm going with the email that everybody
has a copy of it. And then the next one
is um A116.
I'm sticking with that. Mom.
» So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a
column that says
» So, you're thinking of reducing
>> reducing
that reducing
» Yeah.
Mr.
» Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to
$2 million. $850,000.
That's my recommendation back to the
general fund.
>> Yep.
>> The A116
increase that to 300,000.
The one I had um waiting on the PD
presentation and I just asked the PD
what their estimate is and they're
looking at um 42 details. I asked for
50.
>> I'm sorry, which one was by the way that
>> A2610B
» Ab
can you say it again, please?
>> Um would it be would it be wise for you
to use the email that I sent to you?
>> I'm looking at it. I am looking at I
just want to tell you that because the
last one you just said cannabis
>> but I caught the number there
>> but it's supposed to be you you said you
said like like a different number than
what it actually you said the 300k but
what you really want to do is increase
it to 1 million.
>> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.
>> I just going to put them the 1 million
>> down instead of 300,000.
>> I'm trying to be effective here tonight
because we're going to figure back and
forth like this. We're going to go up.
>> I'm just trying to understand. I I think
that you said 300,000, but you wrote 1
million and it's 1 million
>> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1
million.
>> I got
you increase to a million.
>> I put in parenthesis. Why am I 300 away
from his sheet Carmel? Just use your
book here and see what's there. How much
he wants to
>> So a16
» increasing increase to a million dollars
and that's adding 300,000. Great.
>> A2 2016B
my notice was to wait on the PD
recommendation. I'm sorry the
presentation.
>> Yeah.
>> And they're looking next year to have 50
details. They did 27
as far as 42 details. I asked what would
be 50. Currently they're $219,000
over time.
>> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000
there. How much? On line 26 10 A or B
>> B.
>> Adding how much?
>> 400 $440,000.
>> You're adding that. Okay.
>> Adding 440,000 to that line
>> plus and then adding $50,000 to over
time line.
So I have a little bit of note here.
Yes. So correction here. Which which
over time are you having online?
>> In the very same in the very same um
>> traffic.
>> Is it this is traffic? So over time on
the traffic.
>> Would that be would that be correct?
>> Mhm.
>> So would it be easier if you like
increased all your revenue and then when
your increases come in the budget?
>> No, but I have to do it at the same
time.
>> You have to. Okay.
>> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one
here. This is the only one has in and
out.
>> Okay. because we we're potentially
looking at generating more revenue, but
it comes with the cost.
>> So that you know what the line number is
on the overtime.
» So I'm just going to have to look for
it. Police department.
>> We can wait to find it before we move
on.
>> Um let's see. So that was one
um 2610N
parking fun. So I got to go
adding 440,000 here
>> the 2610B
>> and then timeline
>> I'll get it later from the line
>> on the traffic
>> we don't have it yet
>> I got the 440
>> line
50,000
before fire.
» How much money is that? 400. What?
>> 440,000.
Got the police department starts in
3120.
>> Thank you guys. the police department.
» Are you saying parking 3320 for me?
>> That would be on the uh parking or that
will be on the patrol. Um
I would assume it's under parking, but
maybe the police
opinion on the matter.
>> Um would that be under um field service
or would that be under um
He said we go through the end of
parking.
>> Parking.
>> That's what
I would assume.
>> Yes.
>> You're not talking about
>> just looking for the expense line. We're
looking
>> I'm looking at the expense line.
>> A3320 parking.
>> The overtime line is 112.
>> What was the number? What's the number
again? Please.
>> Got it. I got it.
>> 833. It's on page 38.
>> 83320.
>> Yep. Um we can confirm with the
» So we can always we can always adjust
those numbers.
>> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be
proposing
>> sorry 320
>> 3320112
is the overtime line.
>> Right. [clears throat]
>> I'm just looking for the figure.
>> Yeah but this might not be the right.
This is like parking like people who
meter and things like that. This detail
is more like um patrol,
>> right?
>> This is patrol. That's why
» he did say those fines of 900 those
fines of those 27 details collected are
in the 910,000,000
lines.
So,
>> so I think this this has to be an A3122
112
>> A31
>> 22 112
>> 31 22 112
>> A
21 22
>> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> And that I'm asking um for us to add
50,000 there.
Yes,
>> we're adding expenses
>> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.
» You want to go back to U.
So this is um 440 plus
>> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440.
>> 440
the following. Sorry. Thank you.
So let's move to the next line. A2668.
I'm asking for us to maintain the same
as 2025 4.5 million into 2026
and that will be an increase of 1.5 I
believe
>> and you just skipped over the liquid
park.
>> Oh sorry
>> 2610
>> and
>> yeah sorry let me go back. Initially I
asked for um
>> Initially I had asked for um
>> for that to go up to 232,000
>> but I'm going to ask to increase that to
130,000.
>> It's it's at 170.
>> Yes. No 170 plus 130.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> So not the 500k plus not the 500k. So
that mean I would like to bring it to
130
>> 300
>> 300,000 instead of one one um 170
home um home sales maintain the same as
2025 4.5 million into 2026 and that's an
increase of 1.5.
The next one is 83005
mortgage tax.
I'm ask I'm asking on my proposal. This
is my proposal to increase that to
410,000.
» Increase it by 410,000 to 1.4 million.
>> That is correct. It's proposed at 9450
increase.
>> Sorry. Sorry. What What is it?
>> It's at um It's at 950. That was 95.
>> No, it's 9:50.
>> So, is it 410 or 450?
>> 450.
>> It's just like, well, when you get all
the way through the end, although
there's a total,
>> so 450 plus 950
» and that will bring us to 1.4.
>> Okay.
>> Now, the totals.
>> Yes. It's now handsome. So based on today's um
>> Oh, you got to add
>> conversation. I'm going to add more to
the sheet.
>> Mhm.
>> So A2610
M.
A2610
>> M. [clears throat] That's bus patrol.
>> Mhm.
>> I am recommending that we add $200,000
away because we have $600,000
[snorts] tickets. I'm just pick 600,000.
I've taken a target which is very
conservative.
>> So please tell me that amount again. I
just said
>> 200,000.
>> So you want to add to the big
>> Yes. So we're adding 200,000 to this
line. We can go back to the revenue
line.
>> So what's that? How much you adding back
to that?
>> 200,000.
>> 200.
>> Back to 600K.
>> Yes.
>> So right now it's 400.
>> We got a plus.
>> No.
>> 200. That will bring it that will bring
it to 600 KV.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
» 2610. Okay.
>> Yes. 2610.
>> And as in
the next one, um, under snap
600.
>> Under snap,
we're asking to add 200,000 there.
>> Give me your money, please.
>> 1621. All right.
>> That is a 217.
Oh, the CDBG
>> CDBG A2170.
» This is what?
» Yeah, she wanted to keep.
>> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.
>> No, no, no, no. Alex,
>> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out
of the out of the
>> We didn't even touch your your stuff.
>> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know
what you're saying. But what what you're
saying is that she wanted to get
>> I understand it's 200,000,000
200
>> right. Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> She said there was 202,000 $55.
>> Yeah. But we're going to just say 200
[laughter]
finish 2,000 is going to go on.
>> Okay.
>> So that's um Snap.
>> Yep.
>> Coats.
>> Thank you. What revenue am I
217?
>> 170 C.
>> Oh yes, she's
>> 170,000
there.
>> Yep.
>> So that would be 300.
>> So that will uh currently is 100,000. So
we'll plus 100,000 there too. And
that'll be 300,000 there on that one.
» Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, I just have to ask this
question while we're doing this. Like in
Miss Carver's explanation, there was
funds that were sent from prior years.
It's not like we're dealing with um
recent stuff. She said it had to be
spended. So, I don't want to get us in
the position where like we're going to
let's leave a couple thousand over there
in years that can ex that can be titled.
>> She has to spend the oldest first, which
what's
>> that's exactly what I'm talking about.
So, expand.
>> So, you want to put the the first one on
snap. You want to put two or two?
I I think we should we're going to
fight.
>> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.
>> Okay.
>> 2178
>> and code was 206.
>> 20 206.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> 306.
>> Okay. So, that would be 306
and snap is 202 because there's no
funding here.
>> Right. Okay.
>> Now, I wish I had completely different
then.
>> Are we good? Yes.
>> Um,
capture.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
>> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my
>> Did you Did you go over the allowable
tax?
>> Yes, I did. Cool. Drop dropping by 850.
>> Add 800. bringing that down to 2 million
and cannabis increasing that up to a
million.
>> The we have we have seven for the
record. We have seven. Oh,
>> so I I have I have more information on
that if you want to hear it now.
[clears throat]
>> Cannabis. So we do have seven that are
active. There are 13 entirely
>> approved but not
>> approved but for whatever reason they're
nonoperational and when they become
operational we don't know.
>> Um and so in 2025
we had one that opened uh in April and
another one that opened I'm not sure
that they think that looks like that
open in January and also January 9th. So
we had we had three open in 2025.
We had two that opened in the last
quarter of 2024.
Um so that's four and one two and then
one in the third quarter of 2024 and
then Mr. the one up on Union Street way
back in 23. I mean it did so long.
>> So in terms of capturing the um the
revenue so
We're capturing you said we have two
quarters so far, right? Right. So, one
of those was not the one that opened in
April. We did like the first quarter.
There was something that they
get the percentage [clears throat]
broken down and the county sends us uh
which goes to the county and then a
portion goes to us.
>> So, we don't know which store. But I
don't take that off.
>> Okay. Well, I on look you find OCM site
that they did those before 111. So they
would not include
the second they would and all the rest
of them would be included. So I guess my
question is raising that up to 1
million.
It was about 850,000. They took it back
down to 700. So you think it's
reasonable that we can go all the way to
I I just wanted I was going to go back
to 800. I I think it's seven stores.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
>> That's okay.
>> Seven. It's seven stores.
>> It's seven stores, but it's not like the
big So, that was my confir
most. Four of them are already open.
>> Yes.
>> So, they that money is accounted for. We
only opened three in 2021.
» Thank you. Got it.
So there seven stores but we're
capturing revenue from four of them for a couple years
>> 800,000 right
>> and then the three open
>> three more for 200,000
>> but
they're included in some of the revenue
I thought maybe that's why I wanted the
dates so we can kind of get an idea of
like how much we can raise it so I
didn't I don't agree with taking it down
I do think it should go back up but Um,
I guess I'm concerned if it goes another
300,000 when we only had one shorter
account for it.
>> I thought that went up.
>> It didn't. They took it down.
>> They took it down. The mayor
get back.
>> He is.
>> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.
My question is it's a million too high.
>> Too much. That's my question because we
only have one store that wasn't
incorporated in that. That's my
question. Um we're banking for the
situation awareness. Two other stores
locations were approved by the planning
commission. One on upper upper upper
>> Broadway and then there's one key bank
by the wondering map by the uh
>> oh yeah
>> there seems to have been some activity
working on that.
>> Yes.
They're still working. That's
right. 1610 Eastern Parkway was is
nonoperational but one. What was the
other one?
>> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it may be
West over place. It may go by
>> Westing
House. Westing House.
>> It may be going instead of going to
Broadway address maybe going.
>> Do you know the name of it? Because
>> but so basically
170 Broadway.
>> Okay.
>> Well,
>> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I
mean I've noticed the decrease on Union
Street of people in mine. I hope the
same amount of revenue will come in just
>> spreading across. Yeah,
>> it's spreading across. I don't think I
don't think there's going to be a
million dollars um especially with the
amount of municipalities that now people
go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,
it's in Troy, it's all over. So people
were coming here specifically and I
think those first two years we were able
to capitalize on but I can't see it
going up that much. But Massachusetts
had it all the time before before we
even dreamed about another story.
Massachusetts had it.
>> Oh, Massachusetts did.
>> It didn't affect the sale in
>> Can I can I ask a question of our
commissioner? Why then did we when with
the mayor's budget, why did it get
lowered
>> if we have more
active
quarter of this year and you know that
by two? Oh yeah, I got I see it.
>> It's right on that mark.
>> Gotcha.
>> And we're looking at these revenue. I
just want to again caution that
looking at you know increasing revenue
marks.
>> So we don't have these marks on balance.
I mean that's really well currently. So
we don't want to make the city right.
>> No, that's why I I think we should
increase it back to what it was. Even in
participation of the elder stores
opening, I I'm I'm cautious with them.
>> So, can I just ask a question about
process here or because so John gave
what his
recommendations are? Are we going to go
to each through each one of his or are
we going to give
>> each
other? Okay. Because we're talking
everybody's proposal and documenting it
so that the
>> Okay.
finance team can have a path forward
because we need to get numbers and look
at real numbers right
>> and not look at newspapers and
>> so just to John would you consider um
not going to a million on that one
particular
>> let's put it there okay then this is what we're going to talk
>> on Friday okay we'll talk about on
Friday
>> yes
>> I'm sorry
I just uh I just need two more to
um what I have
>> okay
>> what I have as as note for me
>> the new deployment we need to add
150,000 to that line
>> but that's budget neutral
>> that's yes
>> that's not that would be in general
operating so that's in the cloud
>> also
>> let's not let's talk
>> I just want to find the right to use
>> and then I also would like to add um
40,000 back to the senior the senior
program
>> that's 8 1989
499
>> 8 19 49
>> 30
» Yes.
>> Mhm.
>> We We need to fun our our senior
programs.
>> We kept one of the fun. We're over 70
people that just
>> How many?
>> 70.
>> Mhm.
>> With a band, not the runners, the
protot.
I mean they were was session time
that figure.
>> Okay.
>> I I didn't even look at that line
because I it wasn't coming out of the
budget.
>> So we need to document that we the
council is making recommendation for
150,000 [clears throat]
um line.
>> Yes.
>> I know it's we don't want to use a term
that it's in the cloud. We need we need
some documentation to show that this is
council recommendation.
>> Yeah. Well, he's going to give us back a
new
>> I'm asking the commissioner.
>> Should we like to document it?
>> This is this is right now it's zero in
the
>> must be under
>> probably [clears throat] documentation
for the development department since
it's not going to be significant.
I'm sure she would work with the council
and get some language in place
established.
>> You okay with that?
>> Yeah, because whatever lines that she
whatever funding source she identified
she'll just have to might have to be
done by legislation or no because she
said it's already it's already and it's
budget neutral. [clears throat]
>> She can do it. She can do it.
>> Yeah. So yeah.
>> So we are not going to touch this
document with that 15. is it's not going
to be showing in the revenue.
>> Okay, great. We like
>> we do like this.
>> We love that.
>> Okay, great. So, I'm not even going to
worry about where is it in this packet.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. So, what was next?
>> Okay, that is my revenue.
>> Um, you say you want to go next to the
revenue, please proceed. I'm going to
come back on expending today, but I give
everybody an opportunity to go ahead. So
I guess with Derek's explanation, I'm
not in favor of decreasing the allowance
for uncollected taxes by any amount.
Derek came with that high importance.
It's not
>> it is I'm sorry 102 A102.
>> Can can you I know you said it's not
giving
um of how that works, why it's there,
what it's in that board. Can can you
just explain a little bit further
because I I'm not in favor of of
lowering that at all
>> or how do you account for it or is it
just
>> Yeah. How do you account for it? Where
does it end up? What does it work? I
mean, but it just I know why it has to
do that.
>> So,
you look at the le. It's basically
receivable. It shows the full amount,
right? Um we book it. It's usually
booked at year end. uh the for example
for 2026
uh we'll book it in December for
whatever tax less passed
by
um and then find out usually around
March of how much uncollected uh taxes
been earned. Um so even though you see
that full amount in the tax relief
doesn't mean we're actually paying that
limit. um we find out exactly all
uncollected taxes by March and that's
why we see that negative amount of the
adopted budget or proposed budget.
>> Understood.
>> But but my number factor based on as we increase the the collection
both of them can go for the same time.
>> One has to go up and one has to go down.
>> Well, not necessarily
paying taxes.
>> We're budgeting. buting in excess of $6
million
>> in anticipation of collecting.
>> Well,
>> so then we need to drop our uncollected
too in anticipation that we're going to
we're not going to have so much negative
>> tax
because as we go up one has to come down
can't have both on the same same path
there.
>> I don't
that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not in
favor of decreasing uh A102.
>> A 2610 B as in boy.
>> So now I'm going to have to come up with
a new
» writing it. I'll just call the number
out please.
>> Parking fines. So um so I
>> which one are the parking?
>> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Mhm.
>> I I I I I'm in favor of raising it
150,000, not the 400,000
>> only because at this point until we get
clarification on how we're going to
collect these uncollected whatever um
just I'm just not comfortable with it. I
don't know. I know. I I'm just being a
little bit more cautious because of
these revenues we increase and we
already start off the the 2027 budget in
a deficit if we don't make these revenue
figures. Again, I'm just saying uh bus
patrol
>> before you proceed ahead.
>> Yes,
>> I just want to clarify that
>> and I base my number based on the
comment I think you just had a bit of.
>> Yes.
>> So, the detail that they did for this
year,
you know,
>> right?
>> Not overall was 27. They did an internal
analysis by themselves and they looking
at 42.
So
>> based on the 42 day trail that they
planning for next year
>> the revenue is a part of that and that's
how I was payable number here that's
what I put together
>> minus the 50 check
>> that's 218
>> so 220 220 that's 240 minus the 50,000
and that's the information I received
from them I didn't add anything else on
top of that is pure this is pure number
based
for yeah they formula
uh they didn't they didn't they didn't
factor it out um over time but they did
mention that this this detail comes out
over time so if we're a drawing revenue
we have to actually assign expenditure
>> and that's how 50,000 because it's 24 to
I
>> wrote it all down as well but I didn't
get the same number you did from from AC
whipple
>> this this is this is 218 almost 280
>> I Factor in that over time. Factor out
the over time.
>> Just let me review this. So, same thing.
218
>> for 414
plus
>> net
gain of 130.
>> And this information is from the sheer.
So that that gain of 130 here and then
they're looking at um
year to date
um another 338 which makes 20
uh just say 270,000.
>> No, you have to take the full revenue,
>> right?
>> You can't factor out the cost. Yeah.
Well,
>> you bring in the full revenue and then
um
>> later in the other part of the budget,
we'll put the
>> So the revenue has to come in as 100%
and then you buy. So you can't you can't
do both in one.
>> Okay. So you're saying here taking
the expenditure all the time. That's
what I did here.
>> Right.
With the 440 um and what they're saying
that we're going to get was we we have a
net 130 this year and then if they
double that it'll be a net 260.
>> No I think you're mixing it up. Uh no
that is
>> 44 vehicles 24 uh 27 that is 220,000
>> they got two.
But minus the I'm just saying the net
gain he said was 130. So I'm just
doubling that for
next year which would be 260. So I'm not
so
>> can't be 218,000US
24,000 is not 130. He he told us for
>> the 130 is a separate line is a separate
line for the six months for the 27
detail
period was 13,64
» and for the entire year from January to
October 27th detail 218,000 right
>> and he's saying and he's saying that
we're going to double those details
>> next year we're going to double that
revenue and then he takes the
expenditures out over
>> I'm not worried about the expenditures
I'm just worried about the revenue.
>> Well, the revenue what they provide to
us
>> 218 and 218 is is 4. You really say 219.
>> That's why I round up 44.
>> But what's already on the line is 910
>> is 9.
>> No, this is not even in the budget. They
didn't account for this.
>> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.
>> We have to call. It was included in
>> the chief said that this is noted in the
revenue.
>> This is something new. ACL said it was
in the park fine.
>> That's what he said.
>> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down
what he said. 2610B.
>> Yes. And that's what I think.
>> But but this is he's already incorporate
this and you want to add another 440
minus the thing is.
>> Yeah. Just say 44.
>> This was not accounted for that.
>> Well, there seems the consensus of
people who thought that he did say that.
So I guess
>> my question was direct to him.
very clear that it is not.
>> So, so, so, so this is what we do in the scenario that it's not there.
Dorin, you have one number. In the
scenario that it is there, you have
another. Then we move on.
>> I understand. Okay.
>> Because they are increasing it next year
to ask of that,
>> right? Doubling it. Yes.
>> Which would be 440, but there's already
910 on the line. Yes.
>> Let me see. I think I have this number.
Can we call or is that
>> proper?
We just go through the numbers.
>> We go through your number. I can always
read this stuff.
>> So, again, I'm not. All right. So,
that's uh 26.
>> Oh, I thought you were saying something.
>> So, you want to increase it by 150. I
want to make sure I get your number
down. Right.
>> I'm going to I'm going to see what what
was that.
>> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add
comfortable with
Sam has a detail and the detail together
so that we're not missing anything. So,
let's get your number. What you're
proposing for the parking
>> for the parking fine
150 from the 910 up
>> 150 increase already
>> over the 910 correct.
>> Are we doing anything with the expense
line though for time?
>> We're not there yet but we will have to
because it will increase the staffing
cost.
>> Yeah.
[clears throat]
>> So busary
» oh and delinquent parking funds. Oh,
then that was just that one. Oh, the bus
control 2610 and it's in Nancy. I'm
comfortable with that increase.
>> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase
out there?
>> The bus patrol,
>> right?
>> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600
>> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting
that in.
>> Um, I'm just debating that.
>> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm
sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as
>> Well, it's new.
>> Okay.
>> NEW
>> and you're good with 2.3.
>> Well, yeah.
I think that's all right. A 2660A.
Oh, I I missed I missed some
>> 66A.
>> I missed the car's um recommendation. I
will not I I will not I will not go
above 3 million. She sat here tonight
and said that that's what she was
comfortable with.
>> A3005
» mortgage tax. mortgage tax
only 200,000.
So what's how much is that? Um I only
want it to be 200,000. Oh increase to
200,000. So 950 plus 200,000
>> is sort of around what Mr. Mut is
saying,
>> right?
>> 950 plus I don't know. I need a total
>> 950. Sorry, it's very
>> No, this this whole thing is to get to
get Mr. toal.
>> I know. I'm just trying to tell myself,
but
>> All right. 950 and 200 is 1 050.
>> Just get them. Yeah. Yeah, you got it.
>> I honestly think that um the casino
A3089.
I I I really want to increase that
revenue.
>> How much?
>> Like
I'm thinking 500,000, but I don't know.
>> No, no, no. Go ahead. Put it down. This
is this is where we can start to flow
the number. That's why I wanted to flush
it out
>> and see where where it lands.
>> I mean, we have a lot of things going on
in the city. Um, a new hotel coming up
right there.
>> Um, the event center. And granted, you
know, people say they're not going to
come to the event center, go to the
casino, but as a casino, go. I agree
with you.
>> There's more weddings going on there.
Uh, anyway,
>> if you don't mind, can you give us the
eight? I'm going to put that 3089
>> and that's revenue H is in Henry
>> H3
>> A3089H
it's right here
>> on this page 12 yeah
>> question when I asked you about that you
said that was something we couldn't
touch because it was a formula
so I think everybody needs to hear that
>> before we try to make
>> that's what we've been told that we
can't touch a number formula
and we touch on that so that there's a
formula. We don't have a concrete
pattern of saying yes there's a formula
on that
>> and that was the question
>> sometimes it goes up it keep going up
every year
>> but
yeah so what is what is the basis for it
changing how is it increasing because I asked that question we get
>> more more uh
>> visitors
>> more visitors to the casino right now
the our revenue
>> more events more hotels
>> so that means our revenue is based on
>> what they take in so what is the formula
that means there's a formula. So what is
it?
>> So that means we're anticipating more
people coming
>> and therefore there's a formula like
instead of having I don't know how many
people go there 50,000 last year we're
going to have 75,000
>> something that you can follow up with
us.
>> Yeah. See if we could uh find
>> but can I just broken up by
municipalities
» actually I believe
and the concessions was that received
the full amount. Yes.
>> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I
just want to make sure that
>> we're basing it on something concrete
where we can get there.
>> So is this time that we can ask a
question of our commissioner? So my
question is listening to everything that
I just heard from my three colleagues.
>> Why then I I'm going to say so where did
we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the
mayor's proposed budget? That was also
based uh via conversations with the
county.
>> Okay.
>> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the
city as well.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
Stack number.
>> Yeah. No, I got all conversations with
them.
>> So no offense to the conversations. Can
we see something in black and white?
>> Okay. Good.
>> Just carry through your number all the
numbers there as the proposal.
>> Okay. And we'll follow up and see where is this formula or where is this
narrative that's saying that this is our
money.
>> I'm going to be very cautious of the um
CDBG money on A2178
and a
Wait a minute. Hold on. I got to go back
to you.
>> All because I would like to hear from
Commissioner Farm and and Mr.
as if they have anything in the pipeline
going against that type of money.
>> I don't know.
>> I'm thinking if they have it back in
2020.
>> Absolutely.
>> If I may that the director
[clears throat] was very clear that this
money is not being brought out. This
money is available there. It needs to be
spent by mid next year or next year
sometime. And if it doesn't, we are
>> I have no issues with that.
>> The whole idea was to all these invoices
and then we have nothing for this.
>> Again, I think that our commissioner
would be able to kind of tell us that if
there's unpaid invoices against that
line from
>> putting it in just like the next
>> I think in my opinion we got the
information from Miss Parker. However,
>> if there's invoices Mr. Nuke,
>> wouldn't it happen?
» They would be in the system.
>> We have that report.
>> Part of that open PL report. Yeah, we
had that report that you gave us.
>> They would be actual stock as process
get documents get the documents from
>> you gave us a list of open fields and I
didn't see any significant amount there
from um
>> what I'm sensing from this uh Miss Carba
um
you know presentation
>> is that this money was set aside for
salary and they were supposed to
document every you know every aspect of
the work. I am thinking that um it's too
much
of a work for the department. So they
decide to draw them directly from the
salary line instead of um yes
and I will take the recommendation
>> I I haven't
question
why they haven't used the money. Is that
what you're saying? Well, I think they
have anything they're going to put
forward
>> and the open P.
>> But can this money
get Can they really spend that far with
that?
>> Well, they can if they put invoices in I don't know. It's still money, you
know, it's still available money before
it has to be it's
expensive or the ones that they try to
spend it against those even
» the employ
because
>> we didn't do our our
put in
you talked me into it. She said she's
comfortable.
>> She says she's comfortable, but ask the
question.
>> I'm sorry, but I I we danced at another
place. How much are we talking about
increasing that casino license fee
behind 500?
>> All right. [laughter]
>> No, no. Please, this is this
>> we are kind of going back and forth.
>> This is where we we we need to make
>> you tell me again what the casino line
is.
Mia,
>> I just realized that I'm going to do the
same thing.
>> I got a I guess line is on page eight.
>> Please please please
trying to write down what she said to
her.
>> Well, hold on. She's trying to follow
along. So, she's asking the page number
so she can get so she can understand
what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's all
I'm trying to do is give her the page
number and I gave her the wrong one. So,
if you give her the page number
to call it the the A number
>> and then we just jump to the page.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast. But
>> if we're going to have a site
conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,
we're not going to get a new year.
>> Okay.
>> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I'm
definitely thinking of finding $40,000
somewhere to put it back in the
>> 1989.
>> Again, like I said,
>> invaluable $4.99,
>> you know,
>> the um Hibernians, you know, I'm sure
we've been there field trips out. Um,
so, uh, you know, the these people go,
it's it's they they they get a good
meal. They don't have to worry about
dinner for like four three, four or five
dollars. Uh, the rest is funded through
us and through capital, who runs the
program outside of the hyper. So, I
think it's extremely important to have
something for our seniors. At least it's
a little, it can't be like huge, but
what we'd like to offer them,
>> yes. Did you um sign anything for 2178
and 217?
>> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if
they've already spent taking the money
out of
>> general fund and spent it but I just
don't understand
>> and not utilizing the CDB they utilize
other source of funding
>> that bothers me but
>> yes it does. That's what I feel like.
>> Is it more like this outside here that
we need to know?
>> I'm going to have to say
>> I can't keep up.
>> Did all the paperwork
>> and she's not there and no one's doing
the paperwork and it's all got to be
documented way up there with funding.
>> The person who retired wonderful.
>> So I'm done. Who's next? [clears throat]
>> Who would like um Miss Patrick, would
you like to go?
>> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm
going to wait till I get my document on
Friday back from Mr. Bugamok.
>> So are we not we're not making no
recommendation.
>> Do you have anything?
>> I'd have to go line by line. So please
>> the uh so the allowance for collecting
taxes you want to keep it the same
>> cannabis excess tax. What was that? I
missed that one.
>> Can I keep that the same? No, I hope the
wrong
I can't find it now.
» Can she didn't say Dorene didn't say
>> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I
didn't touch on canvas.
>> No, you didn't. Mr. Min said, "Let's put
it at 1 million."
>> Right. Um
>> John, she
>> You're right. Let me see. I I definitely
since uh year to date, we're almost
there. So I So I guess I' I'd like to
add $100,000 a cannabis.
>> I don't think anymore.
>> So DD800,000.
>> A116.
>> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.
I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.
[laughter]
>> I don't know how we're going to make a
Are you Mr.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. Miss Patrick,
>> I I need to be last because I don't I
want to hear what everybody else is
saying. So, Miss Porterfield would be
next, right?
>> Going in order.
>> Are you ready?
>> I called on you to to make any
recommendation that you have.
>> I'm not ready to do that.
>> She's not ready. Morfield is ready.
>> Yes, I am ready.
[clears throat] I like
to accept it.
» Thank you.
» You have it actually.
>> I know you got it. I got it.
>> It looks like Well, I can give you mine
if you want.
» So, [clears throat] yes. So, she's
starting on
>> it.
» Okay, there we go. I got it.
>> 1116.
>> So, I wanted to the line 116. I should
have put the lines in my email. Um, the
cannabis line. I wanted to increase that
by 100,000
based on that the opening of new sites
in 2025. However, now that Mr. um
Mr. Ryan has said that we have two more
that were approved.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I'm willing to go up to another
50,000 on that. So So to increase that
by 150,000 line one
six.
>> Yep.
>> Cuz now we have two stores open. All
right. Um this I apologize when Miss
Carver was here that I didn't I should
have had it in front of me. Um she
explained to me and Mr. very could you
tell us what the demolition line is for
>> it's a contingency but it's
>> right
um
fan but it's under contingency
>> so the $400,000 demo is under that
>> I'm looking
>> under contingencies
>> yes it just see 400,000
>> right so what say and we didn't do a
double back there on this but we were
having that conversation
And she said there is CBBG money
[clears throat] that is allowed for for
um
excuse me for demolition demolition. I
think she talked about that.
>> Right. So this would be offsetting
that number by what's available in CDG
and I again I apologize
for that question. We need to know what
that number is and how much would be put
against the
>> use the CPPG money that is
>> Can we have that as a question please?
>> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in
past years um history wise um it's not
only demolition so many things that come
up the city is un unforeseen unaware of
and
>> so that's why
so far
» okay
that do come depending on
what happened
>> so what I think we should look at how
much we've used the demolition, how much
it's available and reduce the line by
because when I know when we were
discussing that line, it was very clear
demolition is the large part of it.
>> So it's available only otherwise we
should get it and I'll I guess I can
text her but she might not want to hear
from us.
>> No, we'll follow up with a question.
Miss Michael, can you please make a site
number?
>> It would be good if we knew the number.
>> We do. It's like
Mr. Williams put it on to reduce it
>> 1989 485
page 30
>> page 30
>> right and again J right now we did talk
about this is $282,5001
so
we have to spend
» we might [clears throat]
1989485
» so what do you want that to be
>> I'm sorry I I want to or Marian I'm
sorry. Yes.
>> I wanted to know how much
we have spent. Well, I know how much we
spent. What I want to know is how much
was essentially for demolitions use out
of this. How much is available from
CDBG?
>> I'm sorry.
>> No, sorry. Go finish.
>> And how much is available to CDBG and we
could do reduce that line maybe not
exactly the amount but to some level of
that because if there's money that we
can spend from CDBG
which and and take it out of there, we
want to have it here.
Yeah. Before Before you proceed, Mr.
Torah has a
>> I did I did have to decrease that,000.
>> Increase it or decrease that same line.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. I have 300 that 1989
contingency
>> down 300,000.
>> It's on page um 30.
>> Sorry. So, that is to recommendation.
Okay. Thank you. So I may depending on
what ma
has to say my bloodre
» 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorine
>> yes back 100
>> lower by 100
so for me I would have to see question
[clears throat] how much is available
for us to be able to do that
>> and maybe even
there's a question going to be emailed
out from this car.
>> Right. I don't need to go over what
other people said. Um but I did want to
um
>> well here, but I wanted to add back. Oh,
no. That's we're not doing this. We're
not doing that yet. How much I wanted to
use the maximum fund balance allow to
minimize tax increases including I
understand the contracts that may be
outstanding. So I'd like to know what
that number would be.
That's not exact
6.1 million minus 2 million budget. So
it's 4.1
>> and use all that.
>> I have no idea.
>> I didn't say all of it. I said the
maximum. So you said there's
>> the council used all that. They could
>> I didn't ask what it says. What it says
is the maximum when I say maximum fund
available. Okay. Maybe we should expand
on that. that doesn't um that we have to
have like you said 15%. So it gets to
the 15. What's that number?
>> 15% of the general operation budget
would be the number.
>> So I I would like the number and and
then you could um subtract out you said
uh for the 300,000 for one contract
>> and 600 for one.
>> Well, we should that isn't that an
executive session kind of things because
they're still negotiating those
contracts. Yeah, but we're just general
guess
>> he said guess
» I think it's
>> 15% of the operating 26 for be 18
million
» all on 18 million sign that's just 15%
of it
>> and all on signs
>> we have to have 15 million so when's the
last time we had that?
>> We had 12 million last year until staff.
>> So when's the last time we made 18? I
mean, in one year, I'll just in in 2011,
the mayor said he had 775,000 and he's
okay with it. So let's ask him if he's
okay with it again.
That so it has to all be unsigned. It
does not not it's not
>> that's 50% general.
>> Mhm.
I think I gave you a packet from
» uh let's see
>> um said there's an example of 15%
>> right and there's also an example there
that says that um two months of
expenditure is also what you could base
it on since we don't have our own policy
so there's more than one um
>> I think the low was 5%
And that's sold there's high over 15%.
So it fluctuates.
>> Well, I think we're going to have to use
more of our fund down. So I'd like to
see us be able to use what we can to to
get this through place so we're not
first of all exceeding our tax and also
back. So
that's I think everything else that I
have um Oh, I did the cannabis right
with Mr.
>> Yes, you did. You said that
>> increase the cannabis line by 100,000.
>> Something
>> 150.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, 150.
>> That's that's recommendation.
>> Um after Mr. O'Brien.
>> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15
on my budget.
Um,
[snorts]
» um,
>> so I think that's it for my for the um
>> revenue.
>> The revenue side.
>> Do you have any any expenditure you want
to touch on? Yeah.
» Just going back to fund bounce. Do you
have a number
>> over the 2 million that you're looking
to utilize?
>> No, I don't have any number. I want to I
want something to you. What is the
number that we um
we can you say have 18 million um would
be?
in the package.
» 15 would be above,
» right? We don't have a problem. So
that's what I'm saying. We don't have
policy, right? We don't have a fun.
Okay. All right. So we're kind of like I
was saying yes, Mr.
Um though
I would like us to not be able to
increase tax 17%. So I'm
not supposed to have I don't know.
» What did you say? What did you say?
>> Somewhat of a question.
>> That's right. service. So, and and some
of this for me is going to be based on
how much we can recapture here with all
the different uh revenue changes that
we're going to be doing. Then, how much
we will need out of the funding. So, I
would like to use the maximum
we have to put these two things
together. Are you following me so far?
>> So, we have to put these two things
together. How much we can increase our
revenue, which has been some pretty
significant I think. Um, and then use
our fund balance to make up for that.
So, not
that that's my goal. Let just let
everybody know that is my goal not to
exceed the tax cap and to also not have
a 17% tax increase. I don't want to say
a percentage right now. I'd like it to
be zero. Don't get don't.
So I'd like to know what that what
number would you be comfortable with?
» Two million.
>> What what's already the 2 million that's
already in this budget is what you're
comfortable with.
>> That's what Okay.
>> Okay. So it's not too many. 2 million is
all we should spend.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
We don't have a lot left
balance.
» So right now
>> no there's 621 we're utilizing
homes that would be 4.1 available
>> depending on union contracts that might
be drastically changed. Then I said,
"Okay, number
three."
>> No,
>> plus three plus the one that you already
in there.
>> Okay. Wait, don't say I don't have to
say I do that.
>> So, uh, can you put that in the notes
also?
>> Mhm.
>> Yes.
um plus $1 million
recommendation
>> which brings us sort of I know we can't
calculate it because of the contract two
million that would leave us
>> 3.1
>> minus contracts
>> so say two
>> oh right
>> maybe less
» do you have any more
>> well that I'll move to u
>> let's see
>> Mr. Harley and then uh So just to just
kind of finish up this conversation that
we all we always email.
So just to finish up on the conversation
in terms of the fund balance we've been
hanging out there because my intent is
that we would do that but we would be
looking at again our pilots so that we
can start and raise
to um and we have two one expiring next
year two expiring the following year. so
that we could start um building up on
Dund.
» Thank you. So, so yeah, Mr. Letter that
he did send to us. I think it's
appropriate that that I read it. Um and
I do want to make a note that the one
expiring next year for
uh State Street, what's the address
there?
>> Don't
>> I know. Um
>> mention that.
>> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll
just give you the date. Yes.
» Um
>> well the one exper
26 um that came off with time already
it came off what it already came off
this year
then why it came off like it's going to
come off.
>> I know it it's already come off.
>> And how would you know then? Um I
suppose uh after received his email and
all these um pilot um things from uh Mr.
Gillan this morning, which is the first
time that I've got to see them, um I did
reach out to um our assessor and um uh
receiver receiver foxes to go over um
the pilots exactly how they how they
worked. Each one is is so different.
Each one is individual. Um some years,
uh you know, sometimes they start out
with no taxes and then after three years
they start paying taxes and they they up
most of them have to increase 5% until
they um until they're at full rate. But
>> so let me
see what this is going.
>> I started talking about how
I started talking about quite a while
ago. There was an email sent from which
we all received and I followed up. I
made it clear when we started this
budget prospect that I'm not trying to
get pilot to to um it's not for this
year's budget but moving forward. So
there's an implication that there's
information that you're not receiving. I
made it clear because I've been talking
about pilots. I've been talking to I've
been talking to too to
[cough and clears throat]
the assessor's office about it. And so
until I'm ready to proceed where it's
exactly,
I don't feel like I need to like put
give it out there. You have it now.
That's fine because only because people
asked for it. So this is something that
I've been working on until we came to a
final thing and waiting for the other
information from Miss Maloy. We would
have gotten we're here now because it
was asked that Mr. um Gillan come he
couldn't come and this this information
came forward. So just to be clear about
all of that in terms of me not having it
somebody not having it again. How many
times have I sat at this table and said
I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for
information about pilots. So this
doesn't impact this current budget. It
impacts going forward in my mind and
that's what I was working on and looking
towards. So I just want to make that
abundantly clear.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> Thank you. That absolutely clear. Um but
after last night's conversation um I
thought that maybe there was one pilot
that might be next to you, but it's
already that they've already stuff. Mr.
Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him
an explanation. Uh good morning. I have
a metroplex board meeting this evening
at 5:30 p.m. So, I cannot attend the
council meeting this evening. We sent
the council a report of highlights on
August 4th. We sent an updated report on
9:24 to Council President Porterfield
and offered at that time to discuss any
agreements. I have had no responses from
any council member to either pilot
report. Please note that the pilot
report shows that 25 pilots put
properties back on the tax roles that
previously were taxexempt and paid zero
in taxes. Please note that an additional
27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or
sites that paid nominal taxes to
generate new revenue. One council member
at your meeting mistakenly said that the
county attorney is involved in these
agreements. That is not the case.
There's a formal process that governs
the adoption of any pilot, including a
public hearing, public notice, and
approval at our meetings, which are
televised and are all open to the
public. I would be happy to attend any
future meetings and review any questions
you have. These agreements have been
powerful new revenue generators for the
city, and we are very proud of our role
in a dramatically improving the city and
its tax base. Many other metrop projects
like the casino do not involve pilot
pilots yet generate millions in revenue
for the city. When I sent the
information back in August, I was hoping
that I might receive some feedback but
have received none to date. I am always
willing to available to discuss any
questions read. Um and in in response to
that and speaking with u my assessor
today um I did find out that a lot of
these pilots on here especially certain
kinds of uh pilots given this is I can't
mention them um are looking for money
and the money uh the city can't help
these individual businesses
um because of a rule called 85b under
the business off. So anyway, that's why
Metroflex steps into a lot of lot of
these properties that have a pilot to
help out the city to increase tax
revenue, housing, and everything else.
So I just thought that that we needed to
at least respond to what we all sat here
last night and talked about um the
pilot. Yeah.
>> And and there's more to And so
furthermore, I and I think I also
mentioned I was in touch with Miss
Malroy and she was developing a report
and she said it was going to take a
while and I you know so I was and I
talked to Mr. Holdingham since we want
to discuss all of this. Um I talked to
Mr. Holdingham and asked about you know
getting the actual
um agreements
>> and she said
and he said you get that from from Mort.
So I asked for it. She told me it's
going to take some time to put together.
So I'm not going to give like half the
information like okay or you know and
not have all the information for me. Say
it again. I was working on this didn't
say it and maybe nobody was listening in
terms of pilots because we need to take
a look at that. And um if there's
another report that I received that
there's something called residential
pilots. So, I'm not going to like get
deep into it, but there are pilots where
people are paying um based on the
particular um development that the
person who moves into it and I guess
they're buying them in these particular
ones that lowers their taxes. So, I need
to get some clarity on how that works as
well. And if you want to ask or feel
about that, you can. there there are
people who own or buy these condos that
are being built and so the pilot passes
on to individuals like where you are out
that so I would have to say maybe
there's no businesses that get it but
there are some residential pilots I'm
trying to get clarity on how that works
>> thank you
» okay
so far can you recommendation
[clears throat]
brief
Okay. So, first line is stage one 02
uncollected factors. Um I'm in line with
Mr. Varian suggestion. Uh reducing that
850. You said 800,000, right? But I said
850.
>> Oh, you said 852
million.
>> That's fine. We're close.
>> Go to 2 million.
>> Huh?
>> Yes. Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million
which would
>> uh that would show back up in our
general fund. Okay. Uh, I'm sorry.
>> Sure. A1 Z3.
» Oh,
so it's just that one's kind of weird
because it's like a reduction. Okay.
Next line. Uh, A16.
That's the cannabis tax. Um, based on
the conversation here, um, I would, uh,
feel comfortable, uh, adding 150,000 to
that.
Um,
» you know what? Sorry. Well, you you said
2 million for the first one that you
were talking about, right? I'm sorry.
I'm losing track here.
>> It's okay.
>> For a 102, you're saying
>> that we should we should reduce that
number
>> to 2 million.
>> Okay. Thank you. Yep.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Which would be a net what would be a
gain of 850,000.
» That
Okay, moving on to cannabis, which is
A116.
» I feel comfortable increasing based on
the conversations here tonight. I I feel
comfortable basing raising that $150,000
» 50.
>> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the
fines parking. Um and so after the
presentation
um I now there's there's a caveat here
because I think we need to understand I
need to be clear on if
um then that is already included in the
existing budget or not. Um and if it is
not then I then I $440,000
based on the formula that's that's
strictly based on the formula um that uh
the chief uh talked to us about today.
>> Um and if not then I would be uh looking
to increase that 220,000.
>> May I before you proceed? Mhm.
>> If you look at the 2025
estimates on the 26 26
times parking
>> 2025,
>> what page are you on just
>> page 11? Okay.
» Page 11
of our regular budget.
>> So 2025 we're carrying 910.
They roll the same number into 2026
because they did not factor in the new
program that they're doing.
This is a new program they just started.
>> Okay. So, so
>> that's what my understanding is. So,
>> sure.
>> So, the 910 they expect to do the same
2025
910 into 2026. But because of this new
program, it's increasing the revenue.
>> Sure. So, so
>> yeah, if you look at you look at two
2025 and 202. It's absolutely
>> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.
>> So I guess my only question then is they gave us
see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based
on the formula that you gave us that you
that you've given as well. But they and
they told us that that that
um that that is what created this
program that they're doing gave us the
220,000 to begin with. So if that's the
case, then I would number I would wonder
how where they would get that
information from. You see what I'm
saying? So in other words, they're
saying that it's 910 910. But if they
didn't include it,
then they were just telling us numbers
that only they know is what you're
saying.
>> That's correct. That's what the sheet
is.
>> Okay.
>> They have an internal proposal of this
is what they intend certainly to
increase to increase revenue.
>> Sir, so for my numbers, I would I would
agree and based on the formula because
that's the number I got to up to
$440,000
in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in
half. So you think can just Sure. Keep
me. So you're saying
>> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that
what you're saying?
>> That's what you want to know.
>> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be
really clear as to
if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.
They're saying that this many um uh
sessions equal $220,000,
right?
>> Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,
that's correct, but that's not reflected
in in in this existing budget. So, and
he said, "So, let's double it, which
would be
>> which would be 440." However, if it is
included, then I would say if we double
it, then it would only then it would uh
go to 220s, not to 440. So, so my
contingency is if it's if it's there, if
it's included and we double it, then add
220,000. If it's not included, then we
double it, then add 440,000.
>> So, do you
has a different There's been
>> I could send an email to the chief.
Okay.
>> And clarify.
>> Sure.
>> Go from there. Simple as
>> Yeah. So, I just thought the easiest way
to do it would just give my numbers in
both case
>> scenario. I think you're right.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. And so then I go um I'm just going
to go where I'm different at now. Uh for
our CBDG money. So my understanding is
200 200k. That's line A1621
is where we'll be adding that money. So
when I say adding, we would be adding
this money to that line. Meaning that
the money that's in the existing line
now would go back to our general fund
for 200,000.
>> Okay. Are you saying are you
regularizing? Are you
>> That sounds like an expense, right?
>> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be
clear, um I'm talking about what Miss
Barber presented with us.
>> She presented us with uh 200 I believe
it was $2,000 in one case.
>> Huh?
>> You said 2,000 for $200,000.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You And then the next one
cost $26,000. If if I'm correct,
>> they were both 200 and 200.
>> They both one was two
>> 20.
So So you give me your reading again
down there.
>> First one 2178
was 22,000.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> And the second one a 217 C was 26,000.
>> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So
>> Okay.
>> Sure. So, so what I'm s So I'm
suggesting that so that would be I can't
just we can't just add that to to
revenue in order for us to access that
fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000
into line A1621
and then the money that's existing in
that would go back to our our general
thous.
It's not A16, but I think it would have
to
you have to put it into an
>> expense.
These revenue lines have announcer
state.
>> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the
math cuz she said it had to be in this
department in order for accesses, but
that's more operational stuff. So, so I
would just add those to the line.
>> You just added to those 217.
>> Yeah. So, so I would increase the
revenue lines about 202,000. in one case
and 206,000
in and up. Right.
>> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.
>> Mhm.
>> And 2170C, I think you're saying
>> 206. That's correct.
>> Okay. I just want to write that in my
paper.
» Going to move on to the next one.
>> Yeah, please.
>> Okay.
Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a
little bit. All right.
Are you put together for us?
>> I just I just
I'm just using
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a
>> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done.
Y
>> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line
A3089H
the casino.
>> Um
>> Okay.
I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.
Turo and increasing that line. Um she
had it at 500.
Is you had that 500, right? I'm just
saying two. I'm saying 200.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Please tell me the line again. I'm
sorry.
>> No, no, no. It's all right. It is
A3089H.
Right. Did I say that right?
>> 3089H is 89H. Okay. Okay. You're saying
what? And I'm saying increase that by
200,000.
I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I
can't quite get there. I
>> I know. I know. I'm hopeful.
>> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm
going to go to uh the sales of houses.
That is line A2660A.
» Please.
>> Okay. I'm I want to make sure
everybody's there, man. All right. to
>> we spend more time doing it and usually
that just pops out of Oh, 2660.
>> Yes. Okay. Got there. So, I'm I feel
comfortable increasing that line.
$500,000.
» So, okay. 3,500.
>> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.
>> $500,000.
Correct.
or our
mortgage tax increase.
I I so this is I have a question mark
here
>> because I I want to get uh Mr. Min could
you just give me a little bit your
reasoning on that again.
Okay, the
is based on the trend that's happening
in connectivity. We've seen the house price escalated over the last
two years that the sale price is far
higher than 3 years ago.
>> Absolutely.
>> So the mortgage is more higher.
>> So in that case a municipality will
generate more
revenue mortgage tax revenue
>> and [clears throat] that's how I'm
factoring that.
>> Sure. So, as the house price keep
rising, the mortgage keep going up, the
[clears throat] taxes keep going up for
us.
>> That's Yeah, that's what we discussed
yesterday. Yes.
>> Okay. And I was And now was the two
properties that are um
wrapping up soon. The two high value
properties was that that wasn't
attributed to that.
>> That is two different
>> that was sales because we talked about
that,
>> right? But we sure can. Yes. Two
different house sales.
>> Absolutely.
>> Because of why my number went up that
high.
>> Oh, no. I know why.
>> The mayor is looking at Okay, we have
two big projects that you know happen.
>> Mhm.
>> Where that [clears throat] sort of is
going to happen this year.
>> So those two more likely roll over into
next year
>> and we're looking for high numbers
there. So you have three million
>> and they hope they're saying that okay
it's going to happen this year. It's not
going to happen. So that money needs to
roll over into next year. So that's all
factor 1.5 million.
>> Yes. So
>> it's going to happen next year
>> and that based on
>> because we only have two once more
connected.
>> I thought you said 1.4 million but
you're saying 1.5 million.
>> Yes. 1.5 million.
So, so for that line, I just wanted to
make sure that that um so for that line
based on what uh Miss Carver was saying
and I and you know, I figured those two
property sales going through can uh make
a huge difference, but being that we're
not exactly sure where they were fall, I
just felt a little I went a little more
conservative at 500,000 on that one.
>> So, so instead of 9508
Yeah, I just wanted to reference that.
So, no, that I did something confusing.
That's fine.
>> So, go back to your mortgage.
>> Okay. So, so
yeah. So, uh, so for a mortgage tax, um,
I felt comfortable increasing that
$200,000.
>> So, that would be, uh, 1
>> A30005.
Yes. $200,000.
>> So, that would be 1.2.
Right.
And oh, bus patrol.
Let make sure I got that line right.
>> That's That's A2610B,
right? And
>> and like Nancy part. Yeah. So,
being that there's uh $600,000
out there, I was I felt comfortable um
in saying agreeing like if we could
collect a third of that, I'm pretty
confident that just a third of that
would get us to $200,000. So, that's
where I was at on that line.
Increased of $200,000 to 600 le just
being successful collecting a third of
that.
>> Yeah. very conservative.
>> Huh?
>> We're very conservative.
» I say you have money.
» Okay. I say you want her. All right. And
um so and the last thing uh as far as
our golf
listen, I was faster than all of y'all
by the way. Just so you know. I'm like
going record time compared to her album.
So
>> no more.
>> Okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All
right. Didn't All right. So, so uh the
so our golf our golf reserve which is
CR9950
for the golf reserve there. Could you
help me understand that again? Because I
want to make sure that I'm understanding
that because what I see is I was
suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into
the the capital fund but for the golf
course particularly that's how I
understand that.
I'm looking at revenue I believe.
» Are you looking at the transfer from
>> have to do is there have to some
increase the golf fun
which they usually um capital and then
Chris in January. So they have to figure
out what's $150,000 increase and you go
to your expense line that transfers to
the trans
by 150.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] So yeah, cuz cuz
right now it says let me see where
>> Let me make sure I'm I'm in the right
place here. [clears throat]
>> Trying to find it.
>> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.
So
>> that has the golf
under.
>> Yeah. Page 90 is the transfers for golf.
>> Right. So if you look at the bottom of page 90
>> right where it says I'm looking at
>> transfer to capital fund.
>> So in 2023 it was 213,000. It would be the uh general fund looking
for youth.
>> No no no no no use is covered.
>> You're maybe
CR990191
general fun.
>> Yes. Yes it is. Yes it is. So listen. So
let me follow my train of thought if you
care for a second. So what I'm saying is
that
on line CR9950498
that says transfer to capital fund. Now
when it when we say transfer to capital
fund that's transfer to the golf course
capital fund correct or is that the city
that
>> that goes into the office? So it's the
reserves
>> the reserves for
>> for the golf course
you
>> overall overall.
>> It's not just for the golf course. Yes.
It's just for the golf course,
>> right? It's just for the golf course.
>> We can't use We can't use capital money
for youth.
>> No, no, no. Yes, we can. No, no, no.
You're not what I'm saying. So, no, no.
What this how I understand it that there
is a reserve fund or a a capital fund.
So, in other words, a portion of
revenues that the golf course makes,
they take that money and put it into a
line for their only their specific
capital fund. Correct. So, so we
>> can access that money.
>> Sure.
>> The reason why we can't use other
capital fund money is because we borrow
that money to do capital projects.
>> This is money that's coming into the
city that is earmarked for the golf
courses capital fund.
>> So, what capital fund would you do with
that money?
>> So, what I'm suggesting is that if we if
we look at it in two in in 2023 it was
213,000
2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying
that 150,000 that I think that that's a
fair
>> but it's capital.
>> No, you're No, you're No, you're wrong.
>> No, you're it's not.
>> I hear you. It's general fund money, but
it's capital fun. No, it's not. It
doesn't become capital until they spend
it on their own.
>> It's not. So what they're doing,
please finish. Let please. So, so I, so
I think the fact that mayor, I think the
fact that it says transfer to capital
fund is kind of what might be throwing
you off.
>> It's not throwing it off at all because
I see the transfer to the general fund.
>> Exactly. That's right.
>> From the Gulf, right? That's from Gul.
>> Okay. All right. So, all right. Is it
not?
>> Yes, it is. So, so listen to what I'm
saying. I'm going to use a hypothetical
number here just so the math is a lot
easier. Okay. Say the Say that the golf
course makes $200,000 in revenue.
$100,000 of that revenue goes into our
general fund is what is is the line
you're talking about.
>> Then the golf course takes another the
other $100,000 and transfer that into
their own capital of the fund
>> which actually could be money that goes
into the general fund. This is not
>> Are you follow You see what I'm saying
now?
>> Yeah. That's what's happens right there.
I have I have a question for the
commissioner because
>> historically the c the golf fund has
always been for lack of a better term a
lock box. It goes way back because you
know of improvements that needed to be
done they weren't done and they wanted
to create a dedicated funding stream so
[clears throat]
any you know the fees of the golf course
would be generated to deal with golf
course improvements and maintenance.
>> Yes. Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is
the golf fund transferring money to the
general fund?
>> And every year, every year there's a
certain amount that we transfer over to
the golf to the general store um to see
the budget.
>> A certain amount of capital fund money
so we don't end up borrowing for capital
projects that
we mark a certain amount. So we don't
suggest dipping into that.
>> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the
restrictions when we when we're talking
about capital money in any other place
in this budget, those are funds that we
cannot that we have very tight
restrictions that we have,
right? That's law. This capital money is
only capital money because we're calling
it capital money, but it really could go
into the general fund.
right or wrong. Can I ask a question
because my understanding has always been
for all the years that I've been on
doing this that that is what we're doing
on page
>> 90
more about this than I think anyone
he just
>> I just have one question that's all
>> I just want to ask this one question
because But
>> I thought if you look at page 90
>> I am
>> I thought that the transfer to the
general fund, the transfer to the water
fund and the transfer to the sewer fund
is coming from golf fund.
>> It is.
>> Yes. So we already are taking the golf
money and putting it into those three
funds. And if you look also we're not
taking any money and putting it into a
capital fund for this year. Go ahead.
>> No, it just because we don't know we are
going to take money put into a capital
fund.
>> Well, because we don't have the funding.
just don't have the money.
>> They don't know if we're going to have a
surplus,
>> right?
>> That's right.
That's why you see a budget amount of
adopted for 2021.
>> Correct.
Commissioner, the transfer to the water
and sewer fund is because the facility
uses water for sewer. Correct. So
therefore, it's representing the pay as
you go.
So that's what comes you're getting
those transfers not just for bookkeeping
purposes. It's representing the use.
>> Correct.
>> So the capital fund transfer is the
money that will be used for capital
project
at at the golf course.
>> Yes.
>> So that is that money has been generated
from the fees of of golfers. Right.
>> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping
with the lockbox mentality, why the very
fact that we have a separate line items
for the golf
>> has to be kept separate. Is that is that
>> No, it does not happen.
>> Is that from No,
>> from my understanding through years past
that's how it's always been done.
>> I'm not asking how it's always been
done. I'm asking is that do we are we
legally obligated to do it that way?
>> And I you know have to I don't have to I
can't even answer right now. I have to
look at
>> He wants to talk.
>> Yeah. I'm going to have to take a look.
You know, it's the gospel and what
created it was very it's in our code. I
think the commissioner got
but the idea is it was a lock box for
capital improvements because it was
under the the golf course force was
going in a certain negative direction
and that that was way the council at the
time wanted to go and create a fund for
separate from the general fund. So, can
I ask one question about the more you're
trying to get? Is there a reason that
you wouldn't look at the transfer to the
general fund for that money?
>> Because the transfer to the general fund
for that money is already in the general
fund. Sorry, there
>> he's looking for more money.
>> So, in other words, of course, I
>> No, no, I know not.
>> We all are, right? Don't we just do that
or am I missing something? We all said
move. But, Right. So, that's what I'm
doing. and then have the golf course
borrow the capital instead of funding
their own
>> if or No, no, no. I understand what
you're saying. Or
>> but that's what you're getting at.
>> Or or maybe 76,000 more.
>> Or maybe we just recognize that we just
invested $3 million of ARPA fund into
the golf course just last year. And
recognizing that we put three $3 million
into the golf course fund that there is
no lockbox fund. We're calling this
capital funds, but these but these funds
are not under the same restrictions that
other capital funds are because we're
borrowing capital funds for capital
projects. This is city revenue that that
we're holding aside for capital projects
uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm
saying that we just put $3 million in
the golf course and this is not the year
to be doing that.
>> I understand Mr. I think I think I think
[clears throat] the description needs to
be changed because that is revenue that
is coming in from the Gulf Coast.
>> Thank you.
>> And they're trying to hold that money.
The surplus is being used to help with
projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's
revenue.
>> Exactly.
>> Like back out expenditure surplus. They
hold it in there for future project.
>> That is not capital. It should be
capital project. It's for capital
project. But it's not capital.
>> But it's not capital money. Exactly.
>> So let's So that description needs to be
changed.
>> Well, they they they've been using it
for capital. What I'm saying the same
way that Mr. Williams is suggesting that
we're not borrowing all of this money
for capital projects in other places
because that's going to impact the city.
What I'm saying is that this is a fund
that has been called something and
operating something other than what I
believe it is to Mr. Mood very
importance. But I'm saying that this is
money that's accessible to us. We and
being that I don't think that that's a
tall order. We just it is. Absolutely it
is.
>> But we're not going to use it. We're not
touching it.
>> Well, I think we should.
>> I just And you got to stay away from
giving them 3 million because we handed
out a lot of ARPA money. But no, I'm not
talking about anything back from people.
>> Of course we are. The whole point of us
investing into the golf golf course.
>> Well, to increase revenue
so we get right. So when we need revenue
>> back into the
So are we are we are we not going to
talk about each other?
>> No. No. So I raise my hand. Please
hold on. Finish off your finish off your
presentation, please. Please. You
finished?
>> I'm done.
No, but you had
>> Can I just add something to your
presentation?
>> Sure. I'm
>> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,
he was and we were he was talking about
different ways. He came up with a
scenario where they would do uh any bank
or something to raise that extra money,
charge people whatever is a whole
>> or how sporet
have that money definitely dedicated to
the service program. So I just want to
just bring that back to the
conversation. Sure. There was he did
introduce a possibility of a way to get
done what you're trying to get done,
which is I guess another 150, right?
>> No, I'm not. No, I'm not. What I'm
trying to what I'm trying to increase
revenues. What I'm saying is that we
found the money for the youth program.
We still have to find money well for
multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the
general fund can support the senior
program and the rest of the money can go
back into the general fund to support
other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we
did invest $3 million into the into the
golf course is because it's supposed to
generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that
is all is being earmarked for things and
it's acting like it's restricted in this
lock box. But there is no lock box for
this money. This is city money and we
should have access to it and put it into
our budget as we see fit.
>> It is not restricted.
>> This is not guaranteed though. That's
why it's not
>> my my number of account.
>> Sure. my my number 150,000 is based on
the last two years of reporting where
one was 213 213,000 and then last year
was 160,000. So that's how I justify my
150,000.
>> What what they've been is doing over the
year is the surplus. They hold on to the
surplus to help with their project
within the golf course. So it's more of
money there to kind of like carry them
on into doing different projects. Yeah.
But um
>> I know what they
>> It's uh it can be used for any other
purpose,
>> right? That's what I'm saying.
>> Mr. Farley is saying
>> and what I'm saying
>> and I'm saying being that we are
>> correct. Being that we just invested $3
million in that
>> into that golf course, $150,000 coming
back into city revenue should not be a
problem. All right, I'm done.
>> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.
The reason we put $3 million into the
golf course was because
the golf course is one of the true
revenue drivers. It makes money. Every
year we increase the fees that we charge
to people who come and use the golf
course. And I also want to always say
I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf
course, but I am chair of help and
recreation. So, I do look at all the
parks and the golf course in my work as
a city council person. So, what I've
learned over the years, it is a revenue
driver. If I just want to remind you, if
we didn't put that revenue back into the
golf course, we would have to find that
we would have to find money to pay the
expenses for all the maintenance and
improvements to the golf course every
year. So the golf course is
self-generating
what it then uses to maintain its golf
course. Our golf course is widely
recognized throughout the capital region
from people who are members of like
private clubs where they play a zillion
dollars to be in these private clubs as
one of the jewels of the city of
Skenctity. We're we're were recognized
because of things like Central Park and
how fabulous all the options at Central
Park are. how fabulous our golf course
is. So, I would argue against using golf
money for anything but the continued
maintenance and improvements of the golf
course and the $3 million in ARPA
funding that we used. I just want to
remind everybody that for years we've
had a manual system where they literally
had to go around and turn spiggots in
order to irrigate the golf course when
the $3 million paid for a
state-of-the-art irrigation system that
now, like many things in our lives, can
be controlled even by a phone um to
irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd
have staffing. You'd have all sorts of
other things that you would have to do
in order to maintain the pristine nature
of the golf course for which we also
charge residents and non-residents to
play golf. Um, so I would not touch and
we already use money for other unless
I'm reading this wrong or have been
reading it wrong for five and a half
years. Um, we use money from the golf
course into other funds.
>> Yeah. But you're you are reading it
wrong because we use money for the other funds.
>> Because we using water, right? So
>> as Mr. Can we allow one to talk,
[clears throat] please?
>> Yes, I was finishing my
>> I thought she was responding to me. So I
was responding to her. Sorry,
>> before before you um cooperation
council, let me let [clears throat] me
go back into the into the golf and
you're saying that um the golf course is
generating revenue.
The golf course is generating enough
revenue to sustain themselves.
>> I said
>> they're not generating revenue to bring
into the general fund.
>> I I think I said that.
>> No, no.
self was self- sustaining.
>> So they are not they are not the what
we're trying to say okay we generate
millions of dollars in revenue and we're
putting it in the BMR fund they are
generating enough money to keep them
afloat.
>> Yes.
>> I was wrong with my last
>> so I Yes. So I want to clarify that
because if you look at the revenue
there's nothing else coming into the
general fund to say that we make 2002
[clears throat] $200,000 $300,000 and
we're putting that into general fund and
then we can say oh there's a surplus and
here goes general fund take this
$250,000.
This course is sustaining itself based
on expenditure and revenue. whatever
surplus they receive get every year
remain to that department to help them
with projects. So they they break they
break even on this project on this golf
course,
>> right?
>> So there's no excessive revenue. So when
we use the term that they're generating
revenue, they're generating revenue from
being paid themselves.
>> Okay,
>> I want to clarify that because that
perception out there that all the golf
course are bringing in millions of
dollars and
>> they are bringing in money to help
themselves
>> and the money that I'm talking about
The money that I'm ident that I have
identified isn't even money to keep them
up and running. That's money that they
use for future capital projects. And I'm
saying in in the budget that we're
facing after investing $3 million,
that's money that can be put to better
use to them. and Mr.
We're gonna have to uh we I mean the
finance department in legal are going to
have to see whether that's legally poss
legally possible for you know pursuing
to the code and uh as well as how that
fund was created fiscally.
>> Yes, please.
>> Um so Mr.
>> Yes, please. And and so I agree with
that because part of the reason that
you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um
I don't know the in this particular
legislation, but the reason they're
broken out in the budget in the um
budget like that is they're supposed to
be able to sustain yourself. So you're
supposed to whatever you take in is what
you need to pay out to do that. So, I
don't know the um the or the um
ordinance that was made to promote golf
fund, but it may speak specifically to
that to say that. So, that's what
they're going to look to. And that's why
which is also why I'm just throwing in
here now. We should really be doing the
same with waste because we're only
supposed to expend waste what we pay in.
So, that is why that is like that. So,
there may be there may be um the
organizing document for for the golf
course that says we can't do that. I
think we have to look at it and make
sure
>> that's why the partnership council is
making a recommendation they will look
into it and get back to us in terms of
can we do this
>> can we not do it
>> but I guess my point is that if there's
think if there's documents saying that
we can't do that we can certainly
overturn that and do that as this
council is what I'm saying that's within
our perview to do that
>> I don't know the answer to that I do
this. Yes.
» I'm not I'm not gonna be
>> limitations. We can't do that.
>> This
>> Yes, absolutely.
>> No, no. Take appearance. It takes all
that stuff.
>> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have
for the best?
>> I'm I'm I'm just going to do revenue.
>> Yeah, I'm done with revenue. That's it.
Uh
please um the email from uh Oh, I did
email my expenditure stuff. I just
>> Oh, so thank you.
>> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I
didn't to respect time. I didn't want to
so we I'll just be really quick and I
said that I was saying that we should do
a 3% raise across for all management. Um
and we should not have any uh stipens.
And I think that we should have uh a
free a citywide $10,000 pot of money for
people when they are in at our most um
extreme circumstances where they have to
stay late or come in that that money
should be drawn out of that $10,000
pocket and that should be for um
essentially citywide. Everyone else
that's non-contractual needs to you know
kind of manage their manage their time
and flex their time. Um but I don't
agree with not giving any raises which
why I'm saying. I think the fairest
thing to do would be a 3% flat raise
because that's really to stay afront of
inflation and the way things are going
right now if we don't do that it
wouldn't be it would almost be like a
pay reduction because of the where
inflation is right now that 3% is is
the three things you have there can you
please go one by one a little um so they
capture you talked about um um typing
>> yes so what so in email what I said is
that we have So if you look through this
didn't need an exact budget line because
it's across departments that and there's
different raises where there's 8% 12%
for varying reasons that we all heard.
>> What I'm saying is that non-contractual
meaning that we are not contractually
obligated to give anyone more than 3%.
Then everyone across should get a 3%
raise. Um so everyone gets you know the
same thing that's that we're that we're
allowed to do and And
so that should uh increase uh uh revenue
right there and as well that should uh
decrease expenditures I should say.
>> And also um the stipens and out of grade
paid anything that's non-contractual I
think needs to come back in as well.
>> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure
we capture that. So you want to have a
stipen if it's not contractual you want
to remove.
>> Yes. and then had a single which I was
>> two there two stipens I think
>> and like out agreed pick anything that's
like a stipen or you're going to be here
later I think that
>> when I was looking through the budget
they're I I know that they're not the
exact same thing but they're but they're
described
>> differently but I think they're
relatively similar
>> and then you're asking to create a a
>> a single single line for
>> maybe 10,000 and yeah for the for the
and maybe it needs to be a little more
than that but just for those people who
are like this is an absolute emergency.
You have to come in here to save the
city. So you put your cape on at 2
o'clock in the morning. Yeah, we need to
have some money there for that. But it
should only happen in those very extreme
certain.
>> I want to make sure you know that
everything is captured.
>> I appreciate that.
>> Documented into our into our proposal
for
when it comes to out of pay um and
people have job descriptions and they do
things outside of their pay outside of
their job description. Don't we have
that side?
>> Yeah. How do we pay for that when
they're doing things
paying
>> that's contractual right?
>> That's for you know satire pay is for
you know for contract employee I mean
>> you know the the unionize employees you
know they have certain job functions
assigned to their title. They're asked
to perform they can they can perform
those functions but by the same token
they can file the grief and ask to be
compensated for the add is duties
[clears throat] that they're doing with
their
and and that's contractual employees
correctly
>> right that's what I said what I mean
when you mean contractually meaning the
CSA
those unioniz employees yes if there's
always if they're being asked to go
outside to do work um and they have to
be compensated
>> as that side of work or there's a
grievance and
>> um so
>> as they should and that's in their
contract is what I'm saying. Yes.
>> So, so this would not uh talk about
anything that's in their contract. I
understand that we have to work within
the parameters of the contract.
>> So, I mean what you're looking for is is
management
outside of the contractual agreement.
>> Yes. I said you asking to
>> I refer to them as non-contractual staff
and I'm saying outside of the agreement
employees instead of having these
stipens they would discuss you to have
just this pool of money as stipen
for for
[snorts]
hours beyond what their regular work
hours are. I mean that you know
>> so be mindful that you don't get into a
position [clears throat] where it's just
a undefined amount of money and needs to
pay you know pay certain individuals and
not pay other individuals
>> you know has to be parameters and how
it's
>> so yeah so so to be really clear what
I'm saying is this is that if you go
through the budget and you go to certain
departments you have and again let's
exclude our union workers okay we're not
talking about them. That's why I put
that language in in the email. What what
you have is that uh manager in this
department
um of 8% raise manager over here 12%
raise and then a whole bunch of 3%
raises and then an 8% raise. I
completely understand why it's
happening. I understand and heard the
reasons why it's going like that. What
I'm saying is that in this situation
that we're that we're in, give everyone
the flat 3% raise to make sure that we
uh are accounting for their uh inflation
and cost of living rise. And you also
have a stipen in this department for
10,000 8,000 over here for this
department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to
the very extreme situations where we
need people and we could talk about what
that number is. And I think that we have
a one line for that because we have some
departments that have statements for
$8,000. Some departments that have no
statements, some managers requesting a
12% raise, some managers uh requesting a
3% raise. So, so what I'm saying
instead, and I know Mr. Mudam was
saying, you know, no raises right now,
you know, based on the situation we're
in, and I understand his logic. I'm
saying that I'm willing to say we need
to give people a raise so quickly so
they can have their their in cost of
living increased rates but that's it.
>> Just for some input reason why somebody
disagree with or increase their certain
percentage because there's union members
that are making more than
>> I understand. No individuals probably
not going to stay with the city member
underneath them is making more. I I I
understand that. Um, but [clears throat]
this is what we this is what's in our
private right now. If I could have go
into union negotiations and do it, then
maybe but this right now we're not
working with that. That's why when we
always identify, oh, why is this person
getting that? They say, "Oh, it's
contractual." We go, "Okay, moving on."
Because we understand that that right
now is not within our permit. That's
been a negotiated contract. We can't go
back in and do that. What I'm saying is
that instead of saying no one gets a
raise, everyone gets the same raise at
3% due to the place that we're in.
That's what I'm saying.
Would that be at the discretion of the
mayor? How it's distributed?
>> 3% raise across.
>> No, no, no. I'm talking about the
10,000, you know, the pool of money. How
would that been distributed?
>> Well, I think that there's going to
there's there's some variables there. I
said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be
more, right? And maybe the mayor can and
the mayor maybe the mayor works with us
and say well this position
you know is the 911 oh my goodness
coming in for this position but this
position people just usually come and
present to city council. So if you're
just coming to present to city council
in that case then you can flex your time
the next day but then you know then make
sure that you know then it would be a
operational thing but I'm just not okay
with not giving anybody any reason. I I
just want to say when my son-in-law work
for folks I mean they go out on any fire
and that goes in there and you know to
expect it like the mayor said the other
night you know I want somebody who's
going to get get up put their coat on we
have a water man break 2 3 in the
morning so there are certain departments
that I I think deserve
>> um and again under those guidelines I
mean I can't take away city clerks
because um I mean she does they do go
above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when
needed. I
>> um
>> because of New York state laws what has to be there but those those I think
your stipen need to remain in those
departments but that's just me we'll
talk about it
>> yeah that's what two that's a proposal
from everyone that's that's what it so
I'm going to Mr. Uh William sent this uh
recommendation. So can you please take
that email and incorporate it into the
proposal?
>> You're saying 10K for
>> 10K is just a number that's out there.
It's extremely
>> you have to put it between each fund
because we have management in water,
sewer, golf
>> in general. So you would have to have
five maybe I don't know 10 10.
[laughter]
So, so maybe the number would be this
number, but then you're just saying has
to be divided across departments, right?
That's what you're saying.
>> Depends how many more managements are on
another. I don't know how to split that
out.
>> Okay. Well, I I think that just from
input, if we can look at what the
stipens have been spent
in previous years, the same way we use
this historical data to make our
projections now, I think that that
wouldn't be any different here.
Yeah, I'm happy to. So, well, let's just
back up back there. So, Mr. William
recommendation, please incorporate that
into the proposal that comes to the
proposal. And if there's any
clarification needed, we can reach out
to Mr.
» Oh,
I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. So just so
we have better clarification how to put
this in uh format that we understand.
>> Sure.
>> You want to take the general water
sealer and have all the stipens the
general fund put that in water.
>> What I'm looking for is we could look at
the historical data of like so the last
three years what lines have been you
know how much money have been spent
drawn down from the stipens and what
department. I think that that will
better help inform
what that number should look like and
how we could do it and and are we and I
guess yeah they would be required to be
ahead.
» Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> So we have the email from Mr. Williams
and we're going to add that into the
proposal
>> everything
>> for the expenditures.
>> Mr. Williams
>> he sent his own presentation.
>> We have copy for that. Okay. I want to
make sure that we we accept this. Um any
emails from anybody else?
No.
Um,
one thing I did send in the mail in
terms of the um I think that um my my
recommendation is to um
to continue we make a recommendation to
support the mayor's um support the
mayor's um hiring phrase into 2026
and also any new hire that is not grant
funded we should also put that out on
old and revisit into next year. So I
will make that recommendation
uh whatever victory we have with the
Slav central or grant funded we should
continue to hold it high ranking figures
for that as the mayor had hold this year
uh into next year and all new hires
that is not funding
if it's not
>> vacant.
Nice added to my um thought.
It's all over you now.
>> Yeah. So, I really need to go through
this um and I'm too tired right now to
do it, but given the information that we
learned tonight, I will try to do some
recommendations before Friday. Um I'm
happy to just look at what you all just
did and I'll, you know, when we get the
Excel spreadsheet back um with the the
proposed city council changes, I will I
will look at those. going to have to
revisit it, right?
>> No, I'm going to just work off that
document because I just I just can't I
know. I just I just I'd have to go
through my my way of thinking is I'd
have to like look at everything. So, I
want to look at everything that you all
just said. I do want to say that I
completely agree with you that I want to
support the hiring freeze. Everything
that you just said would be things that
I would support as well, Mr. McLaren,
that I think the hiring freeze needs to
stay in place. I don't think that we
should be, you know, I think we need to
not necessarily do the new hires. Um,
so I'm I'm right with you on that,
>> Miss Michael. Um, we're not going to
have a budget Friday. So, can we put a
um a notice out to capture someday next
week because I was expecting us to
present our proposal today so that we
give it to the commissioner of finance
so he can present to us Friday. From the
time we arrive at 5:30, we're going to
start go through all proposals side by
side and say, "Okay, here are we. Are
you in agreement with John? Are you
agreement with Mr. Toro?"
>> You kind of start debate that say, "You
know what? I agree with Mr. Toro. Don,
we're not agreeing with you. Let's move
forward." Now, we're going to have to
come down. We're going to have to go
through that the entire budget again to
for your proposal.
5 hours.
>> That's not what I'm saying. That's not
what I'm saying. I just wanted to hear
what all of you all had to say. I'm
going to just I mean, in other words,
what you're saying is that they're not
they're going to have to give us back a
document on Friday that has what you
suggested, what you suggested, what
>> everyone suggested. All five of us
except you.
>> Okay. I thought we were going to see
something on Friday incorporating all of
the count. I I don't know. I mean, I
guess
>> you could send it in if you needed to. I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy
to review just based on what this
conversation was tonight. I mean, the I really do feel I do support the hiring
free. I can give you a couple of general
comments, but I do want to look back at
everything we just discussed.
>> Are you I thought you were making notes.
>> I was, but if you want, I can go through
it right now. If you all want to stay,
I'll just do it right now and look at my
notes that I was taking while I'm
sitting here. So, let's see. I would um
if you want to start right on page um
eight
um
» I don't think I want to change the
allowance. Are we still I don't want to
change the allowance for collected
uncollected taxes because I think that
um I'd have to go back through my
paperwork but I believe that the
recommendation from the finance
commissioner was that that figure 2850
is probably too low. So, I would stay
there for that one. Um, in terms of the
um
cannabis one, um
I would be okay with um I'm look I'm
trying to I have to go back and look at
the um
>> maybe if you like take some maybe start
with John's email both of those lines.
>> Excuse me.
>> It might help just for you to reference.
Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.
>> Yeah.
that was the document I was
looking at was John's John's document
because that was the only one that he
had, I believe,
>> in advance of coming in.
Um,
yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up
in the cannabis. Um,
I have to find John's email again.
Here's
the Here's John.
was increasing cannabis by
$300,000. I believe
um
on that one,
Joe's going to a million. Dorene's going
to 800,000. Demani was going to 850 and
Miriam was going to 850. Um I will say
um 850.
So that is A116.
>> Okay. You have a question?
>> I think it was just it doesn't matter
what we were doing. So you put
>> I'm just listening but I was listening
to all of you and listening to the
arguments. I listen to the police.
>> Absolutely.
>> This is this is not about matching us.
No, I know this is the
>> I know I'm making I am making my own
I think I just I kind of process
differently.
>> So you're making a decision based on all
the information that you heard.
>> I am I am.
>> So that's what I was saying. I think
that it's not too much for you to take
that and go through it and then send it
him. We would have it if you send it to
Sam and then that would be easier.
>> I could do it tomorrow.
>> I definitely couldn't do it when I go
home now.
>> Right. Um, but I can actually I mean I
do I agree with what Mr. Mutarin is
saying. I will say I came in here
tonight to say yeah same thing hiring
freeze needs to continue. Um I don't
think we should be necessarily filling
vacant vacancies
um or adding new positions but again I
want to make sure that I'm you know
looking across the board at those and I
think that's what you just said right
Mr. Min. Um so I kind of agree with that
one. Um, there's one other place where I
wrote a note that I would suggest.
Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah. The bus
patrol. I really want to stay with the
400,000 on the bus patrol. So, that is
line 2610.
I think we should stick with the 400,000
there.
>> So, I have a question regarding that.
So, so you're not taking into into
consideration the $600,000
that is not that outstanding revenue
that they didn't account for in the
budget and we heard that from the chiefs
and that's what
>> well I asked I asked them I actually
asked the question tonight whether they
thought the 400,000 was realistic and
they I wrote myself a note actually they
said yes the 400,000 was the realistic
number
>> but it does not factor in the
outstanding
>> okay So these you want to have these
discussions now instead of Friday night.
>> No making a recommendation just like we
were making re I'm going to stick with
the same thing.
>> Yes. I'm going to stick with the 400
>> on that one. Um
I'm sorry I put in my other notes that I
took tonight and look back at them.
>> Sorry about this. No, you don't got to
be sorry about it. And if you need to
take the night to tomorrow tomorrow morning to do it, you can do
that. Just like do that. There's nothing
wrong.
>> And I I feel like like like we're
forcing you to go do it. And you said
that you didn't want to do it.
>> You get up in the morning, you go
through your notes and email it right
away to Sam and Derek
with a fresh mind. I don't understand
that.
>> We'll all be on the same.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. And that's what
I'm going to do.
>> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.
Don't worry. We're in it together. I
mean, believe me, on Friday when I get
to see and and actually we will see this
document before we come here at 5:30 on
Friday, right?
>> Nobody's
>> right. So, we'll get it we'll get it in
time to review that document before we
come here.
>> Can you please email
>> that? If if I may, the document is going
to be available to us when all of us
submit our proposal. If you do not have
any proposal,
then the document is going to be
available on Friday.
>> Just I just want to look over all my
notes from tonight.
>> I am not going to have the finance
commission send out a document and then
we are still in the process of
submitting.
>> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as
I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as
I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just
asking if we could get it back in enough
time to look through that document
before we come back here around 5:30 on Friday. Is that is that the plan that
we have it before we come back on?
>> Well, we have never done that before.
>> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked
at it.
>> We present the proposal. We allow them
to to do their changes. They add the
column, do every bring these this
information to us and then we kind of
like start. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Here is here is um cannabis.
One is saying a million, one is saying
800. Where do we stand on this? Do we
have a consensus? Do we have an
agreement? Where do we the finance
committee will have to make a
recommendation and what do we do with
that on that line? That's how we decide
to do it.
>> I guess
>> so we better add the other night. We we
have to add an additional Friday.
>> If we don't push these things along and
we keep dragging them on into next day, we've been doing that for the
last couple days. We're going to end up
into next week. And I was about to ask I
need some availability next week
>> or this weekend.
>> Monday. I'm I'm not
but so but Mr. I do have to ask this
question.
What uh what Mr. Google is going to do?
I say 854 again.
So what is he going to put with his
documentation? Is he just going to list
all of our stuff separate? You know it
can't be like when down the hall because
we came here with consensus. I was
saying can't Friday we can't have it run
into the office. So we have to get our
recommendation in
>> before before five start to create a
summary sheet like this for each
individual
>> for each individual. So you're going to
have the revenue.
>> It's going to be a summer. It's not
going to be the fall,
>> right? Just the changes.
>> Just the changes.
>> Each person's changes. And we still I'm
sorry. We still have one touch that
that's the case. [clears throat]
>> What What comfortable thing does it on
one sheet?
>> Well,
all six of us. I would probably
recommend doing six different sheets
>> and and also the percentage of the tax
increase up or down based on those
recommendations of each one.
>> The totals the totals and then then how
much is that
>> that's right
>> reducing the rate
>> by based on those revenues on each one
so everybody can take a look and compare
>> which column is working and which isn't
and where there's consensus and what
impact that has. So that's my
recommendation is that's a calculator.
>> I think that makes sense.
>> So if you want to pass a brief thing
summary from there provided earlier um
just to get an idea that's kosher the
council members.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
So then we still will have to come back
together because then at least my memory
is that we will see uh this document
right it'll look like this again
>> this is too
>> but it'll be like proposed council
>> right and then that's where we start to
really talk to each other and figure out
>> well that's not what he's planning
to say
>> go ahead
>> Mr. council
until it be
>> six sheets for
>> right
>> we kind of have Mr. Williams is cuz he
did it that way.
>> And then we'll go by line. This is what
people are reporting. Um then we'll have
negotiations and then we'll all agree on
that line. Then we'll move to the next
line and we'll do that.
>> And and we didn't make changes. I mean
you guys only made changes to I'm going
to say I'm guessing like six or seven
lines all told.
>> I don't think it's super significant.
But what we didn't do tonight
>> as far as I'm concerned is talk about
where we're changing the expenses.
I didn't
>> I mean I did a little bit
Mr. Williams did too
>> for Councilman. He said one email
suggested to reduce management salaries.
>> Excuse me.
[clears throat]
>> No, I asked for your report.
>> Okay. There was an email saying no man
salary.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that
was my suggestion.
>> Okay. So I would have to add I don't
know 50 something lines for management.
>> No just everything.
>> Well just like that.
>> Yeah that's basic number there.
>> We would have to know each line how to
reduce it or keep the same.
>> Yeah that's when we go to
>> so that's that's management line. So you
need 50 different lines for the
management
>> each salary. So you have to pro that one
sheet. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
you I think he already did it once. So
now he would just take the changes and
do it again.
>> It was only the only people that talked
about that was John himself. John was at
>> but you know I came prepar
>> right. That's what I'm saying.
>> And I wanted to move the budget forward.
That's why we need to you know move
forward. If not, we're going to have to
go into next week or this weekend and I
I'm going to have to discuss with you
availability because we're going to come
in Friday here and we're going to still
talking about we're going to still be
talking about revenue. We're going to
still be talking about
>> No, no, we did that and she missed that
same person by tomorrow.
>> Yeah, I'm going to talk
some of us did not even talk about
expenditure.
>> None of us did that
>> expenditures. Yes, but revenue we did.
>> Yes, we did. teaching session we touch
on revenue what about
>> well we could either do it now but I
think many of us are tired or we do that
on Friday
>> I gave mine
>> well that's what's going to have to roll
into another day because you're going to
have to send it out
>> I kind of came in here thinking that we
were going to have to have another day
because I I mean first of all we went
already just talking about the revenue I
think it's like 10 o'clock at night
at 10:30
>> 109 10:19 Um, so we still I mean I kind
of already cleared some stuff from my
schedule next week because I figured we
were going to have to go into next week.
I mean even based on our conversation
last night. I mean I just thought that
we were going to have to have
>> some more days. I think what we need to
say tonight is everybody needs to give
their expenditures in. They didn't have
them tonight
by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have
everything to present to put together
for Friday. It's not even an option. I
had mine, but what I understood us to do
that when you're going around the table
for revenue, you better make another
circle for expenditure. [clears throat]
>> And then the second circle didn't
happen,
>> right?
>> I mean, I could sit here for like 10
minutes and probably, you know, write
down all my thing. Isn't that I mean, I
feel like some that you guys were also
kind of making changes and thinking
about it because of what we tonight.
>> Yeah. I mean, so I sent in my revenue
increases and my expenditures via email
earlier today. We got
>> but we got it from
Miss Patrick. I was very clear yesterday
evening with you. So please sent in your
recommendation
>> right and I'm sorry that I did not also
wanted to hear additional information
>> that did not happen. [clears throat]
>> Um I'm glad that the others uh sent
their recommendation. One recommendation
I also had was the uh fees for service
>> the fees for service. Uh Derek
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Uh I would I would my recommendation is
to also pull a high level uh report of
how much are we spending towards police
service across all departments.
>> And my uh my recommendation was to um
well for us to consider this is my
proposal on the master. proposal. I want
to be very clear with you about
>> yes
>> these are all what we're saying here is
our proposal
>> so to kind of lower that by 10% across
the board so that's one of my
recommendation that should be added as a
cost reduction
>> and that's the mail that was sent to the
and everybody was happy
>> and
this is the uh theater services you want
to pass
I think you have something you want to
add to say It's about the local law.
>> I'll be your pardon.
>> The local law go regarding the override
>> of the tax.
>> Oh, good.
>> Oh, you want to talk about that?
>> Yeah. Based on
Gota,
>> you know, that falls into what as far as
you go.
>> The total proposed 2022 budget carried
$2.6 $6 million of these
>> fees facilities that don't also include
training.
>> These are registers, I guess. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?
This document you just got, right? I
didn't hear what you're saying because I
was looking
>> This document
>> is for fees for service and also
training.
>> Oh, that's good because that is the
other thing that
>> it's $2.6 million.
That was one of the things that I think
I mentioned to you.
>> Yeah, we did talk about this last
training. Yeah,
>> the training. So, my recommendation is
that based on this, I would like to see
uh my recommendation a 10% reduction
across
>> 10%
reduction in these lines each department
>> all together%
>> that's my recommendation. It's my
recommendation. You know how I mean
>> before you do that
come in and talk about their feast.
>> We already reduce them drastically.
>> I mean I think we took notes from every
department but the briefs in place where
>> we can't just do it.
>> You can't just cut it and [snorts] it's
I would recommend that if you really
wanted to entertaining decreasing it
even further.
>> What do you see? um like there's been I
see the first um A1010 404
that was actually more than cut in half.
So I do see what you're talking about.
However, um if I jump to the very next
one and I don't know which department
these are A1310 124 the exact same
amount. So some have been reduced um
considerably and others have remained
the same. So do we um only ask the
people who's if we must do this do we
only ask the people who remain the same
when we talk about cutting in another
10% like if this is remain
>> so that one
35 finance and we usually [laughter]
keep that the same that's most audit
services that for the annual audit and
there's other u that you know you house.
>> And there's 1340
didn't change.
>> So, some of these didn't change.
>> Um, a lot of the ones seem like they
really didn't change. And this one was
not significantly. I don't know what
they are. So,
>> some I believe one that was I believe
Scott and he consolidated some of that
department. That's why I
» follow
that. Let me follow up. But look at the
reported essentially and we have this as
the report.
>> I don't
know. You're sitting here.
>> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?
>> Thank you.
>> Is there anything that would help you
digest the document a little further
because you see numbers fee for
services? I'm gonna go back
>> look at the number and then I'm gonna
look at this
>> and then I'm going to look at my notes
from the term
presentations and that will help me
decide whether we can or cannot reduce
these based on what the line is right
everybody
>> I mean I could just refer to the budget
but if it's if it's nothing click it all
be there you have to enter
>> otherwise I'm going to
[laughter]
say
>> he said He doesn't have to put it in
manual. It'll just it'll fill so he can
filter.
>> All right. Let me just take a pause for
a minute on you
call brief on Monday.
I forget.
>> Okay. Um briefly um you've got the draft
ordinance budget ordinance looks the
same as in half years. It's a matter of
filling in the amounts. What changes is
the proposed tax cap override the tax
cap. The state law mandates that you
pass a local law authorizing the tax cap
on override.
>> There's certain procedures. Procedures
are that we I've given you the draft.
This is mon other cities that have done
this the legislation.
If for example you're planning on
passing the budget on Monday night in
the regular council you have to ask for
unanimous consent because you're not
going to be at least vote on it because
it's going to be majestically agenda
prior after tomorrow
that the on a local law as we went
through the local law earlier this year
has to be on the desk for seven days.
Mayor, the mayor can ask for a message
of necessity, which is a letter to the
council saying that that the the uh the
requirement from the the uh statute or
wave that you introduce it and vote it
on the same night. The proposed
legislation is before you. It is the
intent of the of the local law to uh
permit but not require the city of
Skenity to go of the tax c So
bottom line, this local law, it's got to
be passed prior to adopting the budget.
The mayor must send you message of
necessity the first plan on Monday night
hearing. Um that means local law will
have to be introduced and voted upon
that same night and the budget will be
adopted that same day. And the
alternative if you're what I am
recommending this local law introduced
and be voted on on Monday night. If the
budget ordinance needs to be take a few
days past that you have the local law
pass
and it's below the tax cap. It's below
the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The
local law is in place. That's what um
the the the calculations that the
finance department are going to do, the
finance commissioner are going to look
at you're going to see what what how
that impacts the tax cap. There's a
formula under the general municipal law
that the finance commissioner looks at
based on
the rates and tax base etc. the city of
connectivity. It's all out laid out in
the general municipal law. E
[clears throat]
based on the numbers that you've come to
and look at that formula and then say oh
this is these these you're above or
below the tax cap.
So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as
we go through this process, you know,
Friday that or Mon or Saturday, um, that
at the very least the finance committee
votes out of committee that this local
law be introduced and voted upon. So, at
least you have that. Now, advice this
weekend, you may know that you may be
below that tax gap and that you wouldn't
have to worry about that. But if if it's
not getting to where you want to go, you
should have that local law squared away.
It does the local woman doesn't commit
to it [clears throat] and just allows.
>> Can we do
>> I understand, you know,
>> can we vote on that tonight so that we
can get it onto the agenda for
council meeting? This is a committee
meeting.
>> This is a committee meeting.
No, no. But I recommend that you hold
off on voting the local committee until
you get further information numbers from
the finance department.
>> No, we're not voting on anything
tonight.
» And that's that's all I have.
>> That's question. Mr. Brian, would you
please when you find the uh the
originating documents for the fund for
the golf fund, could you forward those
over to me, please?
>> Yes.
>> Thank you, sir. a look at the ordinance
and I got talked to the finance
commission. I just like to see if that's
>> and just you gave some recommendations
on how excuse me should um provide
information from as individually. So it
was individual sheets for each person
with our recommendations and then you
said some else
>> and how those you know each one of those
additions that you've made or a deletion
that we've made how with the total
numbers how that would impact the tax
rate based on each one of those those
columns but then they would have give
him what we would be willing to I don't
think he talked everyone talked about
what we would be willing to take out of
our reserve
>> with the expenses we didn't do expenses
So,
>> but we can can I just say couldn't that
be um the six of us our things could be
on one spreadsheet so we see across the
you know what I mean like it might be
that
>> five of the six of us have the same
exact
>> if we see it all in one spreadsheet
across the board we might all have the
same
>> things I mean can you do that if we
>> we'll take a look and see if it's easy
on the
>> [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> Put on a legal sheet
>> that on a legal sheet. That's what
exactly.
>> So we can go two line by line.
So
>> the column would be John, Dorene,
Mary.
>> So yes, do it on one sheet.
>> If you can again consolidate the notes,
but just make sure you have everything
on paper correct. Send an email. I don't
>> I was about to say that.
I'm going to remind you again with all
respect you please please please send in
your proposal. I do not want to come
here Friday and you still have proposal.
I want to give the finance commissioner
>> the the absolute time to go and revise
their sheet and bring it back to us
private.
>> Right.
>> We should not be well we should put this
in and we should put this in. I'm giving
y'all enough time
>> to to get that information in.
>> So for expenses
>> for this team to to expense revenue,
expenditure in and out, whatever you
want to do. You want to add expenditure,
you want to reduce expenditure, you want
to increase revenue, you want to
decrease revenue, please submit it. I'm
going to reach out to Mr. Williams and
ask him if he has anything more.
And if he does, he's very good at email
and follow to that clinic stop. So, I'm
going to ask the rest of us here, the
five of us, please get that over
>> if I you trying to get that in one
document. Is that what you're looking
for?
>> I would just like
one.
>> No, it's not one sheet per person.
>> Yes. One sheet so we can look at John.
>> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one
sheet. Is that what you're saying?
>> John wants these revenues, these
expenditures.
30 months, these revenues, these
expenditures. So I so I know exactly we
wrote down show exactly everything.
Um but Michael has it there. So you can
follow the
>> she doesn't have expenditure.
She just has the revenue.
So conservative.
» That's fine.
>> John, you're going to do it.
>> We we were going through detail and we
were making sure that the commission of
finance was taking notes and M. Michael
was taking notes in terms of our
recommendation one by one.
Please like that or as we suggested
email whatever additional
>> yes exactly that's what I just echo if
you have additional expenditure in or
out revenue in or out please email it
and that will be added under your name
under your account
>> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments
to any of the funds I said maybe golf
depending on what uh we find Right.
I didn't hear anything.
>> Yes, I I did have one about the capital
fund wondering if we can buy fewer EV. I
put it in my thing. Maybe I overlooked
the guess. Can we purchase only six EV
charging stations um only one rail
loader. So, it was because those were
expense lines and we didn't get there.
So, I'll send it in again.
>> Can you please send that in? And
everyone on the the proposal, please add
it as a expenditure.
>> Yep. And I I have an extension, but
again, we never got there.
>> Mr. Williams, this was complete.
>> Are we going to that?
>> So, more than likely we'll have to meet
again next week. So, I don't know. I
mean, we have we have a they have a
short meeting Monday,
city council meeting. So, we can I can
meet earlier and then later.
>> I haven't either probably. I think that
we have to consider people that work
during the day.
Well, we can do 5:30 Monday, then break
for recess and go to
this.
>> Yes, cuz that was fun. You're right.
>> Tuesday,
>> we we got to
>> Mr. Chairman, do you do you intend to
have the the budget pass in a special
meeting or an adjourned meeting? And if
a special meeting has to be specially
noticed, other words, we're just having
business on on Monday
special meeting
>> by Thursday with a with a notice for
next Thursday.
>> Well, uh, I'm glad you touched on that.
My intention was to have the budget up
or down and see where we stand on Friday
by having everybody propose a
move forward with a a high level
discussion Friday and we see where we
stand and then eventually if we all
agreement or with agreement majority
agreement we move it out to committee
and then we ask for unanimous consent on the floor for Monday. But
I don't know where we stand right now
because we still have outstanding stuff
to make and it's unfair to the finance
team to give these top 10 at the last
minute and I expect them to deliver a
report to us.
So I ask that you please please
including myself. I've been very open
about my emails. I copied everybody by
email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask
you to do the same thing cuz if we don't
if we if we come here Friday, we're
going to have to I'm going to have to
start maybe we're going to have to start
reserve days from tonight or tomorrow
until next week.
>> We already have Friday schedule. So, if
we're going to do anything tomorrow,
we're going to have to schedule it
>> because we have the three we need three
days.
>> Can we Can we do that right now? Can we
suggest days right now? I'm going to be
cancelling. I figured I was going to
need next [clears throat] week. I am
cancelling the housing uh task force for
Tuesday. It's going to be later in
November. I mentioned it to Sam, but I
haven't had a chance to write that out
yet. Um so we I was trying to free up a
night and so I could do Saturday. I have
to cancel something, but I could do
Saturday. I could do Monday. I could do
Tuesday.
>> What's
Oh, today's Wednesday.
So
>> have to be Thursday. [laughter]
» So we have Friday.
>> So I mean are people able to well I know
we have to ask Mr. Williams too but
» I I think we have to but then we have to
accommodate so we have to be considerate
of the final staff on Saturdays.
>> Okay then. Yes.
So
Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday
work for folks.
>> Whatever day we choose going forward
now, we need the finance team
>> with us.
>> I'm just going to do it for Saturday.
That's three days and then we'll be
available Monday. Well, I think he's
saying that he doesn't want to
necessarily have the financing
at seven. So, we can come in
>> Tuesday, Wednesday.
>> You're open those three days.
>> Any of those days? Yeah.
>> I don't know when they'll get the call
or right.
>> I know.
>> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about
that you guys?
>> We're already scheduing.
We're having Monday and Tuesday.
>> Monday and Tuesday.
>> Do we want mid Saturday?
So
what time we consider
>> Monday 5 5:30
>> Monday 5:30
>> and then we recess and we
>> go to council meeting
>> and then we'll we'll reconvene right
after that
>> okay
>> that meeting and continue our
deliberation if we
>> interest
>> if we happen to come to an agreement
Friday then we just disregard those
dates
>> question do we have to do a notice for
Monday if we're in recess now if we're
just going to reconvene Monday prior to
our 7 o'clock meeting.
>> Yeah.
>> Come in Friday anyway.
>> Didn't get a notice. [clears throat]
>> You have to give public.
>> This is the meeting apart from the
council meeting.
>> Notice I thought because we recess
>> and the thing the ordinance the budget
ordinance in the local law that that has
to already be on your agenda. You can
adjourn the meeting, the vote on those
things, but they would have to be on the
agenda already for the meeting that was
announced.
>> You can always have a special meeting on
three days notice dealing with a budget,
the local law if necessary.
>> So, you're saying the ordinances for
Monday's meeting?
>> If you want to just do a
>> as opposed to a new special meeting,
>> but I I based on what I'm hearing, it's
probably best let's see what happens on
Friday.
>> I agree with that.
>> Yes. Yeah, I would point that's that's
good point.
>> So then next Monday city council meeting
you uh recess.
>> Well, let's see let's see what goes on
Friday.
>> But we need the three days, right? Don't
we have to have three-day public notice?
>> You're going to have your regular
meeting on Monday. If you are able to
get out the budget ordinance
on Friday and the local law on Friday or
Saturday by unanimous consent, you can
just add those to the agenda on Monday.
>> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then
you can adjourn the meeting or later in
the week before November 1st, then it's
an adjournment meeting, not a new
meeting.
>> Can we
recess? But could we could we right now
so that we have enough notice and if
just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we
>> I think we I think the best practice
right now is just to see what happens on
Friday.
>> That's my recommendation.
>> What if we what if we meet on Monday?
Still have time
>> for a committee meeting. Yes. So maybe
just have the committee meeting. you're
already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on
Friday,
>> right?
>> So, if you need to work with it some
more prior to the meeting,
>> um you can add that by unanimous
consent, the budget ordinance and the
local law.
>> But but if we have to come at 5:30 on
Monday, don't we have to do a public
notice three days in advance?
>> Right. And for for the finance
committee,
>> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do
you?
>> So, yes. Oh.
>> So, so what I'm going to get from right
now is that Sam is going to send out a
notice that we're going to add
>> two more days.
>> We're going to add Monday reconvene at
5:30
recess city council meeting upstairs and
reconvene back down here. And then
she'll say 5:30.
>> Okay.
>> I'm going to place that place full
reserve those days. I think that's the
way we go.
>> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that
we're going to have something Friday.
>> We might.
>> So, you want to add Wednesday?
>> Nobody can hardly
>> just for the sake of
Wednesday.
>> Yes. Add Wednesday, too.
>> I'm sorry. What?
and
madam president
council. So you recess recess the uh
>> council meeting
>> and you can reconvene like towards your
Friday
>> right if if those items get on by the
end
>> no if they get on the agenda they have
to be on the agenda we'll reconvene the
meeting so it has to be otherwise you're
going to have to have a special meeting
also we need a special
>> meeting you need a special meeting if
you're maybe that's the way you want to
go and have a special meeting for next
Thursday or Tuesday or whatever, you
know, um, and just have a special
meeting to to vote on the budget. That
way you may have a little bit more time
in between to, you know, see if things
can be worked out.
>> We've done that before and we're like in
and out special meeting. You let the
budget go. If you want to go
>> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.
>> Yes.
>> And and just do that. And then you just
have we're just dealing with the budget
and the local law if necessary.
So, so the part of it taking here is to
make sure that we secure placehold for
the committee meeting days.
>> We look what happened with we're going
to, you know, what's happening Friday.
>> Mhm.
>> Then we can say, okay, we need to begin
Monday. So then we can say, okay, know
there are a couple items need to to to
iron out. Then we can call a special
meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.
>> Wednesday's the one I can't I mean, I'd
say Tuesday.
you can
» and actually Thursday Thursday Thursday
is the um is it is there's the county uh
dinner
>> but
>> we got
can notice for the committee meetings
>> and possible
council meeting all at once.
>> Yeah. like one notice say that that's
what the agenda is this and the
>> council you know two notices or you know
one notice with two two meeting notices
one one with the committee and council
meeting dealing with the uh adoption of
the budget
>> right
>> okay so so on Thursday though it's I
know that you guys there's dinner but if
you come here at 5:30 when time's the
dinner start
>> I don't know I I'll forget it I won't
worry about it I just you know
connecting shares is actually one of the
awardees.
>> If you're if you're voting on the budget
though that's already working passing
usually that meeting less than half an
hour if you don't
>> then I will also be available on
Thursday.
>> So everybody's available on Thursday. So
>> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday
everybody.
>> So here let's do this one step at a
time. S please get notice out for me. Uh
the committee is uh we're meeting this
Friday. We're meeting next Monday and
Tuesday.
>> Yes.
>> And special meeting on Thursday for the
>> hopefully we can do it before then. But
>> hopefully we can but I don't know
>> Thursday.
Well, that meeting can always be
adjourned by Thursday.
>> That's right. We don't need it. But just
this is our just in case. just in case.
Let's say
» I can sit here until tomorrow morning.
[laughter]
» I can stretch out man
out because uh
just motion motion to reset finance
committee.
>> Second. All in favor?
Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. So,
>> did we already decide
to break down?
» We'll be meeting later in November.