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Jesus.

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There must be a party.

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» This is a budget meeting. So I don't

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have to sit.

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[laughter]

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» So

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I'll sit somewhere where sit over there.

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That's the body.

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>> Gunther did a good job last night.

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>> Hunter. Yes,

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>> Hunter.

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>> He's got a lot of questions found

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>> to get answers to,

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>> but I think we're pretty much set. I

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think cannabis is you can't really

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depend on cannabis being expanded that

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much. I

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mean,

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>> they're throwing stuff in the revenue

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and singing,

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>> which sets us up for next year.

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>> It's

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some of those places have opened and

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some of them out some of them gotten

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special, you know, they've gotten a

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permit. I mean, they've gotten their

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land, but they had open,

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>> right? I think there's still one, the

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one that's about to go on Growing

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Street.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> I think that's the only one left in

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queue that got approval but hasn't

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opened yet. me.

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>> I don't know. Oh, the one on the east as

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well at the old,

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>> right?

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[laughter]

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» Oh, I do notice.

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Do you notice all of these

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smoke

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that convenience stores

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in the gaz?

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Did you see any people

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shut up initution,

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right?

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I think that was it.

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about

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me.

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We're getting there.

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I have the meeting on

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» she went down church chocolate chip

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cookies.

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>> Yeah.

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» Oh, with the eyes. With the eyes. Yeah.

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Oh god.

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Stop and sleep at church.

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And I don't get the bag.

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» Oh, I have this. I really I got a volt

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function.

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>> I haven't been able to do mine yet.

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>> Hey, I took been so busy. I took mom

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when you got it and put it in last year.

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>> Is that what you're [laughter]

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>> Oh, that's good.

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>> I saw that.

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>> What a good idea.

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>> I can get a bath. [laughter]

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» My desk is a mess. I can't have this.

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>> Everything's a mess. My entire

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>> I was hoping to try to at least go

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through it today. try to organize.

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>> I'm sure I made cream because Oh,

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tomorrow night get some

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Wednesday night golf final dinner.

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>> Oh, nice. And I'm the president.

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Glory. Amen. Hallelujah.

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>> Hi. I made the

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Okay. How are you?

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>> How about green post?

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But this is the only one we got, right?

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» This is John's.

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» What's this?

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I did talk to the lady from Karen's

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laundry club and I told her we're in

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>> now they have to she has to go back to

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the Rotary Club and find out if they

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will take us. Um but I gave you all this

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information. I mean Mike

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>> equipment. Oh yeah.

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know how much these cost.

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>> right. Well, again, it's they're hoping

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to raise, in other words, if they get

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the grant from Ron, that doubles what

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they will raise. No, no, no. So, they're

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hoping to raise. She I had to she had to

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go back and look because these are the

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questions I asked her.

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>> Um and they had ra, you know, she thinks

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that she thinks 3,600 total is a good

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number for us. And you know, immediately

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Jackie and Mike were like, we could use

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this, we could use that, we could use

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>> Do you see those new cards they have?

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a jack, you know, like a power lifter

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kind of thing.

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» Like I said, I don't I'm not the uh

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All right.

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sent

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a huge long email just

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>> right now.

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>> Can't even I won't even be able to read

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it while meeting.

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» Good evening everyone. I'd like to

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recall the finance committee to order

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and we will continue our 2026 budget

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review.

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Uh before we get into

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our u internal discussion

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I would like to ask um

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the director of our department of

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development and it's Alex car

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to kind of brief us on a couple

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outstanding items the council member

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last evening Now

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there are two questions that we need

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follow up with and those has to do with

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the CPG

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surplus

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and CPG uh where is the money uh being

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lo in terms of the cause and if there's

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any surplus that within the various

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department within the city and if that

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is allowed by other guidance.

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>> Okay. One where it is log is we put out

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our annual action plan every year what

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our allocations are and we log in IBIS

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which is our HUD financial system.

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>> Okay. So all of our funding is lost

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when you will see when we bring forth it

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action plan every year as part of the

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five-year consolidated plan when I come

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and say these are our priorities and

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then every year we come based on

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applications we come before with you

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with proposals from approved

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applications amount [clears throat]

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that they apply for.

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No, you can't just take a surplus and

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reuse it and put it into the general

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fund. That's not how it um how it works

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and it has to align to meet the HUD's

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national objective. So, anything that we

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do, we're governed by HUD to say it's

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going to meet, you know, one of the

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three national um objectives and it

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needs to be part of the city's priority.

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So, we would have have to save that in

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the consolidated in the 5-year

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consolidated plan.

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>> I know that sounds like a lot, right?

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>> So, so [laughter]

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we are not allowed to lose it for any

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city project or any city cost.

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>> Well, you can if it aligns with what the

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priorities were that we outlined in our

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five-year plan.

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for example if you apply like we have

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when you say surf we have things that

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come every year that gets allocated to

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city projects whether it be development

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whether it be code whether it be

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engineering those things are those

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things come into the city from from

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those fundings. So for example, if we

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have something, I'll use this youth line

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for an example. We've identified in 2022

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during CO that we allocated funding for

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a youth program that was never set up

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and never spent. Now, we've realized

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that the general fund is looking for

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money to fill the gap for the youth

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program that aligns with the national

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objectives and the priorities that we

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set forth [clears throat] in our

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consolidated plan for the city to fund

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youth activities and initiative, youth

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employment. So, that would align. So,

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it's not just it's not just anything. We

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can't don't give me your truck orders

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and all of those things has to motivate

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him. It has to all. [laughter]

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>> I like we're starting on a good note. I

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like this.

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>> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted

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the guy guidance from you in terms of

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can we use it for youth employment. Can

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we use it for senior because we have to

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fund it seniors before through CDBG

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>> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund

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the high.

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Yes. But see those things are

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competitive applications. Yes.

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>> Right. So there's also caps that we have

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to abide by. See, we only can do a

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certain percentage amount of public

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service projects, a certain percentage

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of development projects, things that

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fall into what we designated as our NRSA

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area. So we do have caps for things like

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emergency shelter. We have cap a certain

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that. So when we're working our annual

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action plan and reallocating money, we

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still have to ensure that it falls

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within our cap. Whether we are looking

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at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to

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go back and make sure if we're

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reallocating it to a different project

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that we don't exceed

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the percentages, the caps that we to

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remain in compliance.

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>> Question.

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So, first of all, thank you for paying

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attention throughout this process and

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looking for trying to figure out ways to

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support uh the youth program in

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particular. Um it seems like like you um

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located some funds. Um so, I I really do

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appreciate that and I think that that um

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allows us to move past what would be a

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really stickler point for us in the

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budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see

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myself supporting a budget that didn't

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support that. So I really want to

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explain

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>> and and transparency. Anytime we use any

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of the federal dollars that come out

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development, there's a substantial

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amount of reporting and accountability

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that has to occur. So if those if parks

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is going to be facilitating this youth

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program, they need to work with the

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department to make sure that they're

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doing quarterly reporting that we have

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the measurables that we need to report

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to HUD. So it's not as simple as we

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found money, we give you the money.

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there there is reporting quarterly

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reporting um that is due to the

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department so that we can submit that to

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the federal government.

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>> So when we first started the program um

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what we did which we got away from which

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I would like to see us go back to was

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partnering with the county because the

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counties they had the the infrastructure

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and the reporting the reporting

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infrastructure that at the time aligned

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with kind of what you're talking about.

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So that's something that we might want

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to revisit just because I don't want to

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put more work on your department

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especially being you know helping us

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find the money for

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>> parks.

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Okay. [laughter] Okay.

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>> For clarity for for parks because I but

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I do appreciate that. So my question is

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what so I was originally um before

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these conversations were happening I was

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talking about using money for the golf

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court from the revenue from the golf

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course to support the youth line and in

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yesterday's conversation I was

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suggesting if we find the money and it

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seems like we have the money that's

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aligned that we could use from CBDG

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funds what about our seniors is is is

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that are we in the same situation for

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seniors or could we or should we go look

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at using the revenue identified from the

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golf course for to support seniors.

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>> There are no funds that were previously

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allocated that align with senior

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services that haven't been expended.

304
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>> Okay.

305
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>> So if there So I can see that we used to

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partner with the county and some of the

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money that I found that we can use is

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money that the county never it was never

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set up. They never drawn down. So it

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aligns that that doesn't that there's no

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scenario that applies that way for to

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support seniors right now.

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>> Okay. We can use the money from the golf

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course to do that.

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>> Go ahead.

316
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>> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what

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you're saying right now is that you did

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find the money for youth employment for

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this 2026 budget.

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>> So you already have um

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all of the uh CDBG. you you have a good

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sense already in this year of what might

323
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come back into your cup?

324
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>> No, I have a good sense of what could

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apply for the youth. What I did was I my

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program account went through to see what

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did we allocate for youth services in

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previous years and that is what I'm able

329
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to use. But we're in the process of

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closing it out and we're and I'm talking

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about funds from 2021

332
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this week. So these aren't new funds.

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We're going back and doing some

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reconciliation in our department.

335
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>> Okay. um to see what what's out there.

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>> That's great.

337
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>> Thank you. And I know that Mr. MCA had

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to do that reporting,

339
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>> but he's he's done that kind of stuff

340
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before. So,

341
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>> do you have a number? Yes, ma'am.

342
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>> There's 160,000, but I would like to

343
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keep the 10,000 to because you asked for

344
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150. 10,000. [laughter]

345
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>> No, I didn't ask you for 150.

346
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>> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.

347
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150. Yes.

348
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>> I thought it was 150. It was but

349
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before so we currently fund the senior

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center through CDBG. So you're saying

351
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that they didn't expend all the money so

352
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they have funding available.

353
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>> The senior center doesn't they're asking

354
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for more money actually. They they apply every year. So they applied

355
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for 20,000. They spent 20,000 and

356
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they're asking they're looking for more

357
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additional money. But they're also

358
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working with the county to try to to

359
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fill the gap

360
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>> for this year for 2021. 2026

361
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>> they applied for 20 Well your 2026 is my

362
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2025.

363
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>> Oh

364
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>> okay.

365
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>> So do we have something do we have?

366
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>> So we we we awarded them

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>> we gave them

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>> what they asked for actually. So let me

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just

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>> pay for 2026.

371
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>> It's their contract is effective October

372
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1st. So the the the federal year is

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October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So

374
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we are right now awarding contracts,

375
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execution contracts right now. So the

376
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senior center

377
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» 24,000

378
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>> and I will take it in the 2024.

379
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>> Okay.

380
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>> 2026.

381
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Yeah. Okay. So, we have to cover it.

382
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[clears throat]

383
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>> Okay.

384
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>> Well, there are wait.

385
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>> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I never come back.

386
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[clears throat]

387
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[laughter]

388
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>> Oh, I have a hammer.

389
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>> Okay.

390
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It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you

391
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asked one question I asked. So, it's 150

392
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is what you have allocated for these

393
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one.

394
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>> The senior line that you're talking

395
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about, you're only talking about the

396
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Hyurns though. You're not talking about

397
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the other seniors, the saddle bike

398
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senior centers is what I'll call them.

399
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No, but I do see in our general budget,

400
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we do get a lot of invoices from

401
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Catholic Charities, but I don't have any

402
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authority over that. Those are just

403
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invoices that pass through my

404
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department, Catholic Charities, Invoice

405
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that comes out of general budget. So, I

406
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don't I haven't had to say so on how

407
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much or but I just they pass through. I

408
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see the invoices and we submit them

409
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because it's so what's been written out

410
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of our budget is those spend on

411
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>> Yes.

412
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That's correct.

413
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>> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to

414
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the revenue line. If you're not if you

415
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want to finish explaining what she has

416
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then I'll ask about the revenue one.

417
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>> No you are you're doing this. Thank you.

418
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,679
>> Okay.

419
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>> You're making life easy for a lot of us

420
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here.

421
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>> Okay. Um last year this is uh

422
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line A27A.

423
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» I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry Mary. What

424
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was that?

425
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,159
>> A2170 A. Sorry that so there was

426
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$100,000 um for the SNAP from CBG for

427
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SNAP.

428
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,039
>> Oh,

429
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>> right. And now it's that was in our

430
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adopted budget 21

431
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>> page 10 that is in our adopted budget

432
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for 2025 but not in 2026.

433
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>> So SNAP has

434
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>> roughly

435
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>> $200,000 in CBBG funds from previous

436
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years that they have not invoiced

437
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:59,360
department of development to draw down.

438
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So they were not awarded this year. How

439
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,679
much?

440
00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:07,830
>> 200,000.

441
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:14,710
So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.

442
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840
From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't

443
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,559
been set up.

444
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,240
>> This is SNAP that you're talking about.

445
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,760
>> Mhm.

446
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,919
>> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So, say

447
00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:32,240
you have a hundred thou roughly $22,000

448
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,799
in unspent funds, which is why they were

449
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:39,029
not funded.

450
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:40,720
» So, you don't see that in the line in

451
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,000
the line, but we see that CDBG our

452
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,919
federal dollars don't always show up in

453
00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:48,000
the general general funds, but we see it

454
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on on our side.

455
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,039
>> Go ahead, please. So, if we had

456
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something that fell under the code of

457
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,520
SNAP neighborhood revitalization,

458
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,080
would we be able to access that funding

459
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,919
that you just said is still

460
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:05,919
>> So, it's it's how it's not by title,

461
00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:08,240
it's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's

462
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,799
really the cleanup city owned property.

463
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,720
So, stabilization and clean up of city

464
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own. Gotcha.

465
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,440
>> So, that's what the title is, but it's

466
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how we

467
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>> with the description what we said we

468
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would do with those with that funding

469
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lines.

470
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So, um, so in that case, let's say we

471
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have staff that do that. Is it possible

472
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to leave some of that funding towards

473
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like a percentage of it towards that

474
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staffing salary that does that

475
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particular work?

476
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,559
>> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.

477
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That that is what it's what they have.

478
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,480
That money has been allocated to them to

479
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ODS and spend. They just have never

480
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invoiced.

481
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,200
And it is not for clarity and

482
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,520
transparency. It is not development's

483
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,720
job to invoice that. any fun and even

484
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,559
internal

485
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allocations. There's reporting. You have

486
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to invoice. You have to submit those

487
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sign sheets, the properties that you

488
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worked on. We we still have to submit

489
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600
those things to us. So that is not

490
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,520
something that my department would have

491
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,880
autonomy over.

492
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,470
>> Gotcha.

493
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,440
» But that money is there.

494
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080
>> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How

495
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,880
do we how do we move our academy invoice

496
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
from this department?

497
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,559
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,

498
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,640
>> Alex, but this is specifically has to be

499
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,440
CDBG el uh to draw down, correct? Mhm.

500
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>> So

501
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>> most of So that when it's to be CDBG

502
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,039
eligible needs to fall into it needs to

503
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,520
fall into a low moderate income area in

504
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,000
our neighborhood revitalization strategy

505
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area 85% of our city is that what I'm

506
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,440
saying

507
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>> if not all

508
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,159
>> right

509
00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:52,240
>> well between the the two designations

510
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,679
that we have Mhm.

511
00:24:55,679 --> 00:25:02,080
>> So, what I'm hearing is that that we have

512
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,000
what over $200,000 that could

513
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,880
conceivably that's money from back from

514
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,447
two 2021 that we could conceivably bring

515
00:25:10,447 --> 00:25:14,159
[clears throat] forward towards um in

516
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SN.

517
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:16,799
>> Yes.

518
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,960
>> Okay.

519
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,559
Thank you.

520
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,080
that may had mentioned um

521
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960
a day or two ago that you're you're

522
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,440
looking to hire a an agency to help take

523
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,200
note of um the foreclosed property.

524
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840
>> So what we did this year is that 100,000

525
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,080
that would typically go to SNAP because

526
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,159
they also identified to us last year

527
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:44,559
that they didn't have the capacity to

528
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,120
clean out the city owned properties

529
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,360
>> as quick as we want to put them out. So,

530
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,760
we took that 100,000 and we allocated

531
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,360
that to department of development so

532
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,760
that we do have more control. We can bid

533
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240
that and we can clean up our property so

534
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,880
that they're safe for the realtor um to

535
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200
act so that that clean up and be

536
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,240
maintenance, snowing, mowing,

537
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,360
you know, all of those things to make it

538
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,960
look good in the community. We're going

539
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,080
to board them up nicely, secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one

540
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,240
in so we can have more control and make

541
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,480
sure they get done cuz we know that the sale the properties that we have the

542
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,799
mayor wants to get them out and list

543
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,200
them. But we've we've gotten a lot of

544
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,279
complaints from our realators that the

545
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,200
properties are in the best condition or

546
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safe to enter. So,

547
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>> right.

548
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,000
>> And we heard that decision is informed

549
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,760
by the information that we've been

550
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,960
hearing from our neighborhood meetings

551
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,159
with the comprehensive plan.

552
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:41,360
>> Right.

553
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,520
>> Yeah. That is ahead. No, I was going to

554
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
say so it sounds like that money needs

555
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,919
to remain in your department so so you

556
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,200
have the autonomy and can make those

557
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,080
decisions and make

558
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,000
>> that 100,000 that's going to be for net

559
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,520
that's allocated for 2526 are here

560
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,080
>> is is us but that is not taken away from

561
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,360
what snack still

562
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,000
>> but right that was my point but this

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,760
200,000 is still there okay go ahead

564
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,159
>> when will when will that 200,000 not be

565
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:11,360
available or to be invoiced to you will

566
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,039
that ever go way. HUD gives us 5 years.

567
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,360
That's great.

568
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,159
>> No. What year?

569
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:21,520
>> No. This this 200 thou the 200,000. Oh,

570
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,279
yeah. It'll be

571
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,440
>> This is starting This is going back to

572
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,240
21. Yes.

573
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,919
>> We need to spend it.

574
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:31,200
>> Go ahead.

575
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200
>> So, it sounds like you're recouping some

576
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,400
of these funds so that the area

577
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,080
department has more management and

578
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,400
oversight over it. Um, is there what

579
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,279
functions outside of that 85% of the

580
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,360
buildings that rely on the city? Is this

581
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,720
apartment still going to be responsible

582
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,120
for conducting?

583
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,720
>> I'm not clear on the question. I'm

584
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,760
sorry, council member.

585
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,039
>> If you're maintaining the properties,

586
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,960
what's not doing for the 15% of the

587
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,039
properties that are eligible?

588
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,240
>> Well, we're going to maintain the

589
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,840
properties moving forward, but there's

590
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,600
plenty of properties that are still on

591
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240
our roll that need to be addressed. And

592
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,240
even when SNAP goes out and we get a

593
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,679
complaint, and I'll use this for an

594
00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:09,039
example. If somebody does a click see

595
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,880
click C and they got to go remove debris

596
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,279
>> right

597
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,039
>> from the front of the house and it's on

598
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,440
the eastern nav the time that they spent

599
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960
is billable um from CDBG that's that's

600
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
addressing the issue. So

601
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,039
>> I think there's some um flexibility on

602
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,640
how they they spend that money now

603
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,840
because it's not just for city own city

604
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,279
owned properties that are going for

605
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,679
sale.

606
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:39,600
So Williams, I mean looking at that that

607
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,440
you're hiring a consultant to help with

608
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,960
the clean up of the property.

609
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,799
>> So that's taking away responsibility

610
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:45,520
from staff.

611
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,600
>> Are you hiring

612
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,480
the company?

613
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,159
>> We're just we're bidding it out. So we

614
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:52,320
need a contractor that we can get the

615
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,080
right to

616
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,799
>> so that is taking away responsibility

617
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,960
from this department.

618
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,000
>> Yes.

619
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,200
>> But they said they didn't have the

620
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,679
capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't

621
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:04,960
being done. It's essentially

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,480
>> they've been doing it.

623
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,240
>> They they've been they've been doing

624
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,360
this but not as not not as fast. Snap

625
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
doesn't have the manpower to do them as

626
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,240
fast as it should be done to maintain

627
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,799
what they regularly would do in the city

628
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,880
owned properties.

629
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,240
So what we need to do is look in our

630
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,080
budget to see how we can reallocate the

631
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520
200,000 that is existing now to see long

632
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,240
and and see that we could do that with

633
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,279
as long as it being in line with the HUD

634
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,039
uh parameters. I don't think we need to

635
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,320
reallocate that is already

636
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320
>> not reallocated but

637
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,480
>> well no to be expelled.

638
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,480
>> No. So correct me if I'm wrong. Snap. In

639
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,039
other words, moving forward that

640
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,279
$100,000 is going to come back into

641
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,039
development. Right. So we got that.

642
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,720
However, there is $200,000 existing

643
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880
right now within SNAP that they have not

644
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,320
invoiced for.

645
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:58,960
>> Correct.

646
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,039
>> So and that money is only good for five

647
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,440
years. So, so we could repurpose,

648
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,840
we could I'm looking for the right term.

649
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,799
We could reuse that money as long as it

650
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,720
falls within the parameters of what we

651
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,840
expressed originally.

652
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Is that correct?

653
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,240
>> So, would it make sense to use it to

654
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,559
offset some of the snapsh

655
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:23,840
the money there for that?

656
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,600
>> This is where I'm going.

657
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480
>> So, as that makes that makes the most

658
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,480
that's the that was the intention.

659
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,039
>> Okay.

660
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,159
>> All right. And this year we wouldn't

661
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:32,960
need that.

662
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,600
>> So we can use this 210,000

663
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,296
>> $26

664
00:30:37,296 --> 00:30:39,510
[laughter]

665
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,679
for those right there.

666
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:46,470
>> 22,559

667
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,399
» that we can use now for

668
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:52,480
>> Yes. in that category. So can I just

669
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,880
>> So in other words, right now, Miss

670
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,

671
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,840
there's zero on CDBG SNAP neighborhood

672
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,640
revitalization. So, just to try to close

673
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,279
this part of the conversation, we could

674
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,080
put $200,000

675
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,919
>> in that line instead of

676
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,559
>> that. Well, this is old funds that

677
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,720
you're spending down. I wouldn't put

678
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,799
that in. It's already there. This is old money

679
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,039
>> that would have showed up in previous

680
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,039
years that hasn't been spent. I don't

681
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:27,919
know how to

682
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:30,000
>> Yeah. Well, but but we're trying to

683
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,240
we're obviously trying to increase our

684
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,080
revenue side of this budget. And so

685
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,440
right now that says zero for us. Um so

686
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,360
that 200,000 that you're talking about

687
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,679
is not showing up anywhere for us.

688
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,080
>> That will be a commissioner. So what I'm

689
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960
saying is can I take the zero

690
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,640
>> just fill [clears throat] in the budget

691
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,519
>> but if we put if we used it to support

692
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,440
salaries

693
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880
>> that that are that no in other words if

694
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760
we use that money to support salaries

695
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,159
right now or or portion of salaries that

696
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:05,200
are being um drawn from the general fund

697
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
then that 200,000 would essentially th

698
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,760
show up in our general fund because not

699
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,840
we wouldn't be use we'll be using this

700
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
200k instead taking money for the

701
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,960
general fund.

702
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,919
>> Okay.

703
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,279
>> Everything works out correctly.

704
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:18,799
>> Well, well, if she's saying if we can

705
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,360
use it for salaries, as long as there's

706
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,640
SNAP salaries, then

707
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,320
>> CDBG knowledgeable.

708
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,360
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.

709
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,159
>> Yes, it is.

710
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:29,279
>> Yeah. So, let's do that.

711
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,480
>> So, that means the the tracking OS will

712
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,799
have to track the addresses and the time

713
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,039
to make sure that they are in the

714
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,360
designated areas, which could be

715
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,919
cumbersome for men that are out in the

716
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:43,600
field. I know Chris expressed that

717
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,519
before. You know, they're out in the

718
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,000
field tracking it. And I don't want to

719
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,200
speak for his department, but they are.

720
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,799
>> Yeah.

721
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,080
>> But if they're [clears throat]

722
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,519
So, my understanding of they don't

723
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,039
randomly go, they already know where

724
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,399
they're assigned. So, we know before

725
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,840
they ever went there that it's in

726
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,919
Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's in

727
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:08,320
Hamilton North and RSA CDG. So, when

728
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,159
they were assigned where to go clean up,

729
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:12,000
they would know ahead of time. So they

730
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760
it's not like the people on the ground

731
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,360
going to do the work have to capture

732
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,159
that. Their supervisor like look and say

733
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:19,760
okay this is in that area and this can

734
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,279
be assigned to that. I don't see it

735
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,039
being the person going to do it.

736
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,440
>> Okay. I'm not it's not my department. So

737
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,000
I'm not it's privy to you know their

738
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360
process and how they how they do things.

739
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,120
>> So um would OS have to invoice that

740
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,440
money every time they went? So it's it's

741
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,120
not like every time

742
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,159
>> not every time.

743
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:41,760
>> Okay. But they can they can do it

744
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,559
quarterly.

745
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,000
>> Yeah. You know,

746
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
>> but it still has to be invoiced. The

747
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,159
money could still just hang out.

748
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:49,440
>> Invoice and

749
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,960
>> right.

750
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,640
>> I'm sorry. They could still not what?

751
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,159
>> The money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's

752
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,720
been used or invoiced. And is there any

753
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,640
outstanding invoices they might have

754
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,399
that they didn't put through to you in

755
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:03,760
the past two or three years?

756
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
>> Now, we've been in communication with

757
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,320
them, council, so they know that they

758
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,119
could invoice. It's just

759
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,960
>> they haven't and I don't I'm sure

760
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,320
there's some obstacles that they're

761
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480
facing and there's a valid reason why

762
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,839
they haven't.

763
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,280
>> I can't speak to them but

764
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,079
>> so it might not even be there if they if

765
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,919
they have invoices they just haven't

766
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:26,079
>> I doubt that they had invoices for that

767
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,079
many years. So pending I think that they

768
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,720
would have probably used funds that were

769
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,839
still readily available to them. So for

770
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:35,599
functional so we're talking about this

771
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,760
26,000 where is this one

772
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,648
>> 200

773
00:34:39,648 --> 00:34:41,440
[laughter]

774
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,919
>> John just say 200 let's leave her a

775
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:46,399
little let's leave her a little in case

776
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,000
somebody does come this year

777
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,599
>> in the cloud it's not in the general

778
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:50,800
fund that's why it's not here

779
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,599
>> it's not in the general it's it's not in

780
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,599
the general fund because it hasn't been

781
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,240
set up yet so it's been allocated in

782
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,960
order for commissioner and his team to

783
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,440
see it we have to set it up and tell

784
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,560
them we set it up and do the PO process.

785
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,359
These funds are allocated from our

786
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:13,680
annual action plan but not set up in the

787
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,960
>> So this this

788
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,000
>> that's a little too much in the weeds

789
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,480
for us.

790
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,240
>> How many how many more funds do we have

791
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:23,270
like this in the cloud? [laughter]

792
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,040
back to my father in the money tree in

793
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,599
the backyard.

794
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,240
>> Because if we have $200,000 datas in the

795
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,000
cloud, [laughter]

796
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,079
how much more funding do we have that we

797
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,079
are not utilizing from CDPG over the

798
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,720
last four or five years?

799
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,880
>> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you

800
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,880
utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm

801
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,119
seeing is really impact from CO, right?

802
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:46,880
It's not that we're not it's not that

803
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440
we're not utilizing it. And now that we

804
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,119
have a full team, it gives us an

805
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,000
opportunity to really dive in and close

806
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,960
out projects. So close out projects,

807
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,599
understand what hasn't been set up but

808
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,839
allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not

809
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,000
expecting you in the next five minutes

810
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,560
to really understand. But our HUD

811
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,839
funding has a HUD system that we

812
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,720
>> that we use. Our general funds has a

813
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,359
general fund system. It is it is

814
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:18,320
separate. Before I go, I just have a

815
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,760
follow up there. So, can we can we get a

816
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,480
report of all the outstanding

817
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,720
>> there? There is no report yet because my

818
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,200
team, as I said, council, we're we're

819
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,480
working through this. We're trying to

820
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560
>> But do you have something to say that we

821
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,000
can spend on from 2021 to now? There is

822
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,760
a balance of what we need

823
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,040
>> to for what I you can't work on it

824
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,720
because it has to be part of one.

825
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,065
>> No, no, no, no.

826
00:36:46,065 --> 00:36:47,119
[laughter]

827
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:53,440
2021 to now fun and it's not spending

828
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,640
that needs I need actions.

829
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520
>> I will I will get you something.

830
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,400
>> Go ahead.

831
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,720
>> That's not a that's not a function

832
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,400
though. [clears throat]

833
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,720
If I go through and do all that, it has

834
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,240
to be a we have to now put that out to

835
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,320
the public. That can't be something that

836
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880
I said these are the funds that we have

837
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,960
in city council. There's a substantial

838
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,040
amendment. It's a process. I can't say

839
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,400
these are the funds and then city

840
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,320
council decides where this money goes

841
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,720
because it's community development money

842
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,040
that needs to go into the community and

843
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,359
the community has to say so and then we

844
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,880
do a public notice and then we have a um

845
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,480
>> grants grant applications.

846
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,440
>> We have the applications and then we we

847
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
have the public hearing. So, it's not I

848
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,760
can do that, but it's not something that

849
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,240
city council can say we can move this

850
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,320
money, we can do that money. We cannot X

851
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,720
out the public um responsibility

852
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,000
for that.

853
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,280
>> So, okay. So, let's get back to this

854
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,800
$200,000

855
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
that we know is here.

856
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640
>> We understand the intended function of

857
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560
it. It was not used in the timeline that

858
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,640
we originally expected, but right now

859
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040
we're looking at $200,000

860
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,480
with a clear purpose that we can use it

861
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,079
for as long as it stays within these

862
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,146
parameters.

863
00:38:15,146 --> 00:38:15,280
>> [snorts]

864
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,680
>> So, so we should the council should look

865
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,839
into what what positions that we have in

866
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:27,760
the city right now that are working in a

867
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,760
to this aligned function of what this

868
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040
$200,000 was. So, if we have someone who

869
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,720
salary is $70,000

870
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,440
and they're doing this the type of work

871
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,560
that falls under this umbrella, then

872
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,880
that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come

873
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200
from our general fund that we could use

874
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,839
this this $200,000 to fund that

875
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:53,119
position. So, that would be a plus of

876
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,440
$200,000. I think that's what we need to

877
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200
focus on right now and then we could

878
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,119
look to the next thing.

879
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,680
>> I would agree with that. um that we got

880
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,720
from but I know she said he never looked

881
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,880
down here [clears throat]

882
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,160
was waiting down

883
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,760
>> um so I'm just going to yell out so I

884
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,280
have I agree with that because I don't

885
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
think like what Miss Carver said we can

886
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,880
like look at all the money because as we

887
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,240
what we talked about yesterday you

888
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,160
weren't even here Miss Carver I think it

889
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040
was specifically said that CDBG has

890
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,520
specific parameters and guidelines and

891
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,119
we have to stay within those

892
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,000
>> and a citizen participation and citizen

893
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,760
partition and beyond these seven

894
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,960
citizens.

895
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,640
>> Uh so so I would agree with you that my

896
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,920
further question though about the budget

897
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,400
as opposed to asking about revenue is

898
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,599
that the 100,000 that was you took back

899
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,480
in house to do it um through receipts to

900
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640
the department of development I see that

901
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,160
last year we allocated 570,000 on the CT

902
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,320
uh BG line for department development

903
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,480
and this year same amount. So I was so

904
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,280
the question for me became how where

905
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,599
that account is. So the that 570,000

906
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,160
are our admin cost. The whole the the

907
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,520
SNAP money that 100,000 is not ad is not

908
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,440
development admin. So we didn't

909
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,560
reallocate it for admin. We reallocated

910
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,200
to bid bid it out for project. Okay. So

911
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
that's why it is not reflected there.

912
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,750
Maybe for clarification.

913
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Go ahead, please.

914
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,040
>> But again, I just want to say what we

915
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,800
all 200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding

916
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,800
down. Won't be able to remember the

917
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,920
exact figure that you keep saying, but

918
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,920
we have to go through a process.

919
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,040
>> No, we don't have

920
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,440
>> No, it doesn't. Not

921
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,680
if we do. No, not if we keep it the if

922
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,839
we keep it the same. That's already

923
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:55,839
>> Okay, that was my first question when we

924
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,000
first started this.

925
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,319
>> This is already allocated to the city.

926
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:02,640
It's already allocated.

927
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,280
>> It's already It's already allocated.

928
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,599
We've already allocated that funding,

929
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,599
>> but we need to in the budget. Is that

930
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:10,720
what you're saying? [clears throat]

931
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,160
>> I don't know if we need I don't know

932
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,440
that part that's outside.

933
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,040
>> This is a This is a commissioner a

934
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,880
commissioner question, but that's where

935
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,119
I think you were jo kind of joking about

936
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,599
it being in the cloud. But can look, can

937
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,880
we just cut to the question that I'm

938
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,560
just trying to find the answer for?

939
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,319
>> But you you have the door. So you put

940
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:28,880
your question up.

941
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,480
>> So can we just say, okay, instead of

942
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,160
zero in the 2026 budget on that line,

943
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,880
can we right now all fill in on our

944
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,319
budget $200,000

945
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:41,599
>> specifically for SNAP?

946
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:42,800
>> For SNAP.

947
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
>> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have

948
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,319
to worry about, you know, Mr. on putting

949
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:51,200
in invoices, etc., etc. That's all

950
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,200
internal staff uh kinds of stuff. But

951
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,960
that's the answer to this question.

952
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,880
>> Yeah, the thing is that the money

953
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,359
200,000 coming into the staff line, it

954
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,359
will reduce um the general fund by

955
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:04,800
$200,000,

956
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,319
>> right? A

957
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:07,040
>> that's what the

958
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,040
>> right game is.

959
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,880
>> A1621 that line is 156. What is that? So

960
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,720
under SNAP

961
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,960
>> A1621

962
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,319
>> A621 100 we can use that $200,000 to

963
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,800
offset salary. So we'll just need a

964
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,359
revenue in

965
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:26,960
>> and then 200,000 is available

966
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040
>> that goes back to the general fund.

967
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,359
>> So just make this up note I I do have

968
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,280
that. Thank you so much. This is why we

969
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,920
called you.

970
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,839
>> What page was that? 1625.

971
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,200
>> That is page 25. So

972
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,680
>> thank you.

973
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,000
>> That is something that we can make um

974
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,920
>> 16 recommendations.

975
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Ah, I see what you're saying.

976
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,040
>> Any other question for uh while we got

977
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,599
the

978
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,359
>> reply?

979
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:48,079
Mr. Williams.

980
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,040
>> Okay.

981
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,680
>> I mean although practically for us our

982
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,599
involvement in this process does not

983
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,280
extend beyond this conversation, there

984
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,119
needs to be internal discussions to

985
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,359
ensure that that process is done

986
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,200
otherwise

987
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,040
$300,000.

988
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,200
>> So that is a further discussion that

989
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,119
does not include us but that needs to

990
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,480
happen. How do we make sure that

991
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,040
happens? Yeah, and that's exactly how I

992
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,480
make myself knowledgeable about that. I

993
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,720
will follow to make sure that we capture

994
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,839
from 2021 to now, you know, current

995
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:20,079
period as what is available, what needs

996
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:21,599
to spend on things like that. So we

997
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,680
don't have any money lingering as the

998
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,599
commissioner says in the cloud.

999
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:28,400
>> But

1000
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800
>> let me just

1001
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,839
finish.

1002
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:32,960
>> Oh, go ahead please.

1003
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,640
>> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying

1004
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,400
how do we ensure because right now we're

1005
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,240
in this position because it was not

1006
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,839
drawn down and there were no invoices

1007
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:43,599
sent. So what she what Mr. Williams is

1008
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,400
saying is how do we ensure city invoices

1009
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,720
are submitted? I mean we we can't do

1010
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,400
that. We as council that's not our

1011
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,280
responsibility but what system gets put

1012
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,599
into place I guess I'll look at you say

1013
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,119
what system gets put in place so that

1014
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,319
the invoices are sent so the money gets

1015
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:01,680
spent or we could be having the same

1016
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,480
conversation again next year.

1017
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,760
again and money won't get spent.

1018
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,599
>> Again, I just feel like that's an

1019
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,520
internal I think Mr. Williams just said

1020
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,599
it. I'm repeating now what you just

1021
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,280
said, which I was trying to say earlier,

1022
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,599
which is that's an internal staffing

1023
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,800
decision. If we can use the $200,000,

1024
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,200
let's put the $200,000 in our budget.

1025
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,200
Let's let uh commissioner and our

1026
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,960
director of development speak with Mr.

1027
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Lefond or whatever. I mean, is there a

1028
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,839
deadline in 2026 because that's the

1029
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,640
5year mark, right? Um, is there like a

1030
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,359
is it March 20th? Is it August 17th? I

1031
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,440
mean, we should let them figure that

1032
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,480
out. Um, but we the answer to our

1033
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,079
question is yes, we can put that

1034
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,400
$200,000 into the SNAP line.

1035
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
>> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility,

1036
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000
too, because if we didn't call back this

1037
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,160
car over here, none of us would have be

1038
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,640
aware there is $200,000

1039
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,000
hanging there. So I think we need yeah

1040
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,680
we can't we can't direct them what to do

1041
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680
but we need to be informed of what's

1042
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,880
going on and if there are things like

1043
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,040
this outside there

1044
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,280
commissioner of finance and department

1045
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240
of development the director they need to

1046
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,640
help each other and get it sort of out

1047
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,640
able to spend all this money.

1048
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:24,880
>> Yeah. I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then com and this

1049
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,079
seems like this was something that

1050
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,319
happened before you were even in the

1051
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,240
position that you're in now. I have all

1052
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,839
the confidence in your ability to make

1053
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:34,000
sure that we don't lose $200,000 for

1054
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,359
somebody and then put in the receipt.

1055
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:38,160
I'm sure you can do that. Let's go.

1056
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,079
>> Before Mr. Park was here as well. Boom.

1057
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:42,880
>> All right. Go ahead.

1058
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,560
>> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that

1059
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,079
line,

1060
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:47,839
Mr. M? Are you asking me to move?

1061
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:49,839
>> Does everybody think that we finalized

1062
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:51,359
that discussion on that one?

1063
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:53,119
>> It's going to go into A16.

1064
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,440
>> Here's my next question for Miss Carver

1065
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,240
and it is regarding the homes revenue,

1066
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:02,160
the sale of homes. So, the budget as a

1067
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160
um I have to find it. Sorry.

1068
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,200
>> Revenue.

1069
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,359
>> Yep. I want to make sure that that

1070
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:13,280
revenue line is realistic. 26.

1071
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,270
>> 2660.

1072
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,800
» Uh 260. I don't have 26.

1073
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
>> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.

1074
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,200
>> Umoop.

1075
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,119
>> Yeah. Oh, I got it now. Thank you.

1076
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,520
>> Um, so we've projected

1077
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,839
in 2026 budget

1078
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:38,319
>> $3 million in revenue from the homes

1079
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:42,640
program. And at the same time,

1080
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,160
I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one

1081
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,359
now.

1082
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:46,240
>> 535.

1083
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:46,720
>> Thank you.

1084
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,520
>> Year to date.

1085
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,640
>> What? Say it again, please.

1086
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,319
>> 1,535 year to date as of October,

1087
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:53,680
>> which probably doesn't include

1088
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,680
>> was probably since last September.

1089
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,880
>> Yeah. So, we still have a little bit

1090
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,359
more revenue than million. So, we talked

1091
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:00,800
about this a little bit the last time

1092
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,240
when I was hearing the mayor gave

1093
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,000
clarity that we have major projects, the

1094
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Skenctity D40 project and um housing in

1095
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,160
Roderdam that is still the sales of that

1096
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,440
is still pending.

1097
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,560
>> Um so,

1098
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,599
>> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we

1099
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:16,880
>> the conversation with the mayor said

1100
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,800
more likely we will

1101
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,359
>> be close to the estimated for this year.

1102
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,400
Okay. And then we may have uh one

1103
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,480
project rolled over into next year with

1104
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,359
a size of the one in the 2022.

1105
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:30,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

1106
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,240
>> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes

1107
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,920
out there putting that projection at 4.5

1108
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,640
million. Does that seem realistic to you

1109
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,200
from 3 to 4.5?

1110
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,359
Not not based on our current foreclosure

1111
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:46,880
list that's out. I don't think that we

1112
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,240
have enough properties to satisfy it.

1113
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,040
Gotcha. I I did ask last night for

1114
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,800
corporation council to put those

1115
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,400
together expecting from foreclosures the

1116
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960
two six or seven this year but next year

1117
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
two foreclosure ones coming.

1118
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,599
>> Yeah.

1119
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,359
>> No any number.

1120
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:08,560
>> Let let me recap that the

1121
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,960
pre-foreclosure that is going to happen

1122
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,680
into next year plus the the one of the

1123
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,040
sizable sale property or two into next

1124
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,280
year. the one next year and two next

1125
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,040
>> two next year. So that will roll over

1126
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,680
into next year a sale. So we have three

1127
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,680
sales before sale into next year. Plus

1128
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,599
if the two major project doesn't happen

1129
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,440
this year, it will roll over into next

1130
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,280
year. That's how I factor my number and

1131
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,240
ask for that. No, I want to clarify

1132
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,800
because we did listen to the corporation

1133
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040
council. We did talk about it and why am

1134
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,000
I protecting that number because of two

1135
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,079
project and because of the the pre

1136
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,240
foreclosure that's happening next year.

1137
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,119
>> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?

1138
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:52,880
>> I am sticking with the same estimate

1139
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,720
from this year into next year.

1140
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,559
>> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue

1141
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,760
in that line instead of 3 million is

1142
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,400
realistic for your staff to achieve

1143
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,200
>> as I previously stated.

1144
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,079
I do not think that that is a realistic

1145
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,359
number based on the list the information

1146
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:13,839
on.

1147
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:15,599
>> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify

1148
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,324
it. Okay. Thank you.

1149
00:49:19,324 --> 00:49:20,559
[clears throat]

1150
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,079
>> Any other question? Go ahead, please.

1151
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,079
>> So I would say is that 3 million on that

1152
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,800
same line a conservative projection or

1153
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,839
to Mr. Marian's point is there room with

1154
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:31,359
the information that you're avail that

1155
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:32,640
you have available that you feel

1156
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640
comfortable sharing with council that we

1157
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,359
can go over? I think that's a law. A law

1158
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:39,200
should be involved in that because they

1159
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,040
are the ones that track that list.

1160
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,200
Council member, we get the list from

1161
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,319
law.

1162
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,359
>> Thank you.

1163
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,440
>> Yeah, we did hear we heard from

1164
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,760
corporation council that you know in

1165
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,359
terms of the foreclosure in terms of how

1166
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,520
much in the pipeline and that's how the

1167
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,359
factoring and the two pro the two

1168
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:58,160
housing project the party and then the

1169
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,119
sale and relevant those are high high

1170
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:06,390
volume sales.

1171
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,319
There was a question in the email that

1172
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:09,920
the commissioner said that you had

1173
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,119
another question about the cold.

1174
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,880
Yeah, that's right. Sorry that caught me

1175
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,750
that was again that um

1176
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,359
where and I think it's a similar

1177
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:31,270
situation as it relate

1178
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,000
we had 100,000 in revenue and right

1179
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,990
around

1180
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,950
» so they did not

1181
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,440
100,000 Yes,

1182
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,839
but um they haven't drawn down. So they

1183
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,480
for this upcoming year they still were

1184
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,559
awarded 100,000 but they have 206,000

1185
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,880
that need to be drawn down.

1186
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,720
>> So there's 250 now the code if possibly

1187
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,280
they use in the code doing their

1188
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,319
>> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning

1189
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:07,760
with putting it in here because I think

1190
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,200
it helps us um be accountable. That'll

1191
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,319
kind of ease the conversation with

1192
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:16,079
commissioner not to work with our

1193
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,319
internal you know departments our

1194
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,000
colleagues to say

1195
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,839
>> we we got to we got to spin it down

1196
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:24,800
because it's in it's in black and white

1197
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,839
I'm sorry the number was

1198
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:27,920
>> yes 206

1199
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,640
>> go ahead

1200
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,240
>> so again I'm just trying to clarify are

1201
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,160
we all hearing and miss carver correct

1202
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,000
me [clears throat] if I'm wrong that

1203
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,839
line 217

1204
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:40,800
>> what page

1205
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,710
It's on page 10.

1206
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,640
» Same thing the CBB stuff that we were

1207
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,800
just

1208
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,079
>> So if we wanted to instead of that line

1209
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,160
being $100,000,

1210
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,119
could we make that line $300,000?

1211
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:57,760
Okay.

1212
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,440
>> Decrease their expenditure in the

1213
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,040
expenditure part.

1214
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,480
>> Reduce the um if you go to the bottom

1215
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,240
part now, you increase the revenue by

1216
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,520
206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.

1217
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,520
and go to

1218
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,520
code enforcement and we use that for um

1219
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,680
so we release $200,000 into the general

1220
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,040
fund again there so that another

1221
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,760
$200,000 into the general fund

1222
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,800
>> and may I ask

1223
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,480
>> that's why I asked the question how much

1224
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:24,880
do we

1225
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,319
>> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it

1226
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:26,720
so

1227
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,960
>> the only reason we're able to do this is

1228
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000
because it's already

1229
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,240
to us there's already a resolution in

1230
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,880
place this has already been approved

1231
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,040
this already went through the citizen

1232
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,880
participation plan, all of those things.

1233
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,359
>> Yes.

1234
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,549
>> That we can [laughter]

1235
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,319
» I just want the record to reflect that

1236
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:51,119
we're not operating outside of

1237
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,680
>> how we should

1238
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520
already allocated to us. So already

1239
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,599
allocated for this purpose. It's just

1240
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,920
>> I am so thankful that you're here.

1241
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:00,880
>> Okay.

1242
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,160
>> So that's adding 200.

1243
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,200
>> Go ahead.

1244
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,040
>> But also the point is I want to make

1245
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,160
sure we're not getting ahead of

1246
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,720
ourselves expecting a different outcome.

1247
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,440
any significant changes. I confident

1248
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,079
that Miss Con, Mr. Luke can do their

1249
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,400
jobs to the best of standards. They're

1250
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,240
not going to be chasing. They can

1251
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,680
assist. They can assist, but if there is

1252
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,640
not an intentional direction from the

1253
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,480
mayor's office that this is going to be

1254
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,079
a priority, we will have a bigger hole

1255
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,480
into next year. So, without that

1256
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,160
reassurance,

1257
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,480
I don't feel comfortable. You can put 90

1258
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,480
in that you put 900,000 in that line,

1259
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,720
but if the work doesn't get done, the

1260
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,400
funds don't get replenished into the

1261
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,960
council and we get replenished into the general fund.

1262
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,640
>> Well, but let me clarify you can use it

1263
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,359
for salary.

1264
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:52,000
>> Yeah, that's

1265
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,920
>> so they have to draw it for salary,

1266
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,760
right? So it's not like a you know time

1267
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,119
sheet has to be submitted and things

1268
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,280
like that but that's more you make it

1269
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,280
more you simplify it more rather than

1270
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,520
having to go submit invoice and submit

1271
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,680
how many times they spend out on the in

1272
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,599
the field is more of a time sheet

1273
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,839
>> I would say assumptions are

1274
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:11,280
>> well no that's not

1275
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,520
>> it's not an assumption

1276
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,760
>> time sheets will still be required where

1277
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,559
they the how where they did their time

1278
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,520
that still applies it has to be in one

1279
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,440
of our designated

1280
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,599
>> areas to a system, right, that can just

1281
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:26,400
float.

1282
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,040
>> Both both things are true. Both things

1283
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,839
are true. If you use it for these these

1284
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,720
identified lines like the A1621,

1285
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,079
then they're going to pull a salary from

1286
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,280
that line. People are going to have to

1287
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,359
get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that

1288
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,839
after people or while the people are

1289
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,200
getting paid, we still have to make sure

1290
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,400
we're in compliance with that. And the

1291
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,760
way to do that is with the appropriate

1292
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,839
reporting structure. So that's they're

1293
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,400
both things are true. So, we just looks

1294
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,720
like we can put almost $400,000 back

1295
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,559
into our general fund if we use this for

1296
00:54:58,559 --> 00:54:59,359
salaries.

1297
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:00,240
>> Okay, good news.

1298
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,280
>> Yeah.

1299
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,040
>> What line are you looking to add this

1300
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,440
to?

1301
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,160
>> Undo enforcements to salary.

1302
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,520
>> It's not just salaries. It's it's about

1303
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,240
it's in it's written written with HUD

1304
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,000
that it's a program. So, what is

1305
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,400
reimburseable is when they go out they

1306
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,559
do notices for um pole violations.

1307
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:26,000
>> That that is that is how it is written. So only the s work

1308
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
those salaries are reimburseable when

1309
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,839
they do that direct work. So my team we

1310
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:34,079
have a policy and procedure the

1311
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:35,839
community development supervisor join me

1312
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:39,200
tonight. We can you know be intentional

1313
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,000
about meeting with the team again and

1314
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,559
kind of going over what's expected

1315
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,480
because we just did this with cold and

1316
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,160
it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a

1317
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,480
little bit of work into it,

1318
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,079
but that was the whole purpose. Oh, I'm

1319
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,568
sorry, Mr. Tro. I keep saying your hand.

1320
00:55:57,568 --> 00:55:58,160
[laughter]

1321
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,760
Um, but that was the whole purpose of

1322
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000
actually assigning the CPG money to code

1323
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,760
enforcement to do those particular

1324
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,920
things and to use towards those salaries

1325
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,520
for doing those particular things.

1326
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,280
That's just not happening because

1327
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,119
there's no I I won't say there's no

1328
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,480
system in place.

1329
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,319
>> I I will say that it's not being done

1330
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,559
whether and if not we there should be a

1331
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,400
system in place and I don't know, Mr.

1332
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,920
where and how we

1333
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,680
>> this this is where we can force it. We

1334
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,280
put them into the into the salary line

1335
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,880
to draw them on a salary to get a time

1336
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,200
sheet to go and issue certain you know

1337
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,200
whatever it was whatever they need to

1338
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,799
draw them against they need to go ahead

1339
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:34,400
and do it and get this money and spend

1340
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,720
>> and follow follow the the application

1341
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,680
>> because Roberta and Roberta and co used

1342
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,599
to do this so there was already a

1343
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,240
backlog in it and then there was a

1344
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,799
transition co so that's part of the

1345
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:49,599
reason why those funds haven't been sent

1346
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,839
back as

1347
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:52,640
Yeah, go ahead.

1348
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,319
>> Thank you.

1349
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,559
>> So, and we also have to remember, excuse

1350
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,640
me, we have three code officers moving

1351
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,319
forward that are presently there with

1352
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,440
two supervisors. So, sending individuals

1353
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,799
out into the field. I don't know how

1354
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:07,200
much it and trust me, I'm happy that we

1355
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,359
can get money back into for you know

1356
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,920
going out to doing these things. Is the

1357
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,440
money from code 2021 as well? That is

1358
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,960
multiple years. So, 2022 of 100,000 that

1359
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,880
commissioner doesn't see because it is

1360
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,680
not set up

1361
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,480
>> right

1362
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,880
>> know it's complexities to it so I'm not

1363
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,799
expecting you to understand but we

1364
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:33,200
haven't set it up in our HUD system but

1365
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,799
it was allocated

1366
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:40,079
>> and then we have 100,000 from 2024

1367
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,400
and they have a balance of $6,342

1368
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,230
from 2023

1369
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,040
» any ideawide

1370
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,000
it was done some years not other years

1371
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,190
um staffing I mean and and

1372
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,839
it's it's there's complexity when we

1373
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,440
talk about the federal dollars in the

1374
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,760
systems right so you have to you use the

1375
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,400
oldest money first so we can award you

1376
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,839
in 2025 but if you have money in 2021

1377
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:13,599
when we draw down we got to draw down

1378
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,680
that oldest money because

1379
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,839
>> the time is ticking and they'll recap

1380
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:21,119
recapture it So it doesn't in

1381
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,760
transition, you know, I'm not making I'm

1382
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,880
not making excuses.

1383
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,559
>> It doesn't make sense why it's there.

1384
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:30,000
>> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team

1385
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,240
is working on this, which is why I can

1386
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,160
give you these numbers right now, right?

1387
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Because last year this time, I wouldn't

1388
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,760
have been able to give you these

1389
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,280
numbers.

1390
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,599
So we're we're we're working on kind of

1391
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,960
aligning our our system with with the

1392
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,400
HUD system in the funding.

1393
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,480
Mr. Mir, I just want the record to

1394
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,400
reflect that through Miss Carb and her

1395
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,040
team's work, she's not she's has helped

1396
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,599
us identify money to support our youth

1397
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,040
line and and a potential additional if

1398
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,160
we work this right, adding back

1399
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,640
>> $400,000 to our general fund. under the

1400
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,880
code. I know it's kind of relieved

1401
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,680
>> based on the work of hurricanes.

1402
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,520
>> Super. I know that's right, M president.

1403
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,359
So, thank So, I just want to say that that's a you know, when I spoke

1404
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:21,119
with you earlier about the youth money,

1405
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,160
I I wasn't even aware of this other

1406
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,920
money that was there. So, this is all a

1407
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,520
result of your team's work. So, Mitch,

1408
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,960
we appreciate the work that you guys are

1409
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,359
doing. Um, very valuable.

1410
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:35,200
>> Are there any other funding? [laughter]

1411
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,920
>> You would like me to stay. Mitch, stand

1412
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,280
up and check in those cushions. See if

1413
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,200
there's some change in there. We want to

1414
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,546
know.

1415
00:59:43,546 --> 00:59:44,000
[laughter]

1416
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,440
>> I'm trying to get some money for this

1417
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,359
guy.

1418
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:49,280
>> There's no other funding. And when we do

1419
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,040
identify that funding, we we're going to

1420
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,559
have to go through our citizen

1421
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,400
participation plan [clears throat] and

1422
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,559
put that out there and take application.

1423
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,480
So, that'll be a process that will

1424
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,280
happen sometime early next year. I have

1425
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:12,069
to add to the surp.

1426
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,641
» Imagine if we gave her a statement.

1427
01:00:15,641 --> 01:00:17,040
[laughter]

1428
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,261
>> They're not spending any money.

1429
01:00:18,261 --> 01:00:18,640
[clears throat]

1430
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,559
>> Um, so Mr. Harvin, there's another

1431
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:21,760
question that came up. I just want to

1432
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,000
make sure that um in terms of the send

1433
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,839
down where it shows if you had 500

1434
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,319
700,000 but then the year to date you

1435
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,880
like 91,000. be nice about that. So if

1436
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,599
you just want to give clarity while

1437
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,240
>> then there's we spent out 91,000. We

1438
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,680
still have time right now with the

1439
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,000
shutdown. We don't have access to some

1440
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,960
of our draw down systems to to draw down

1441
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,799
the money and then we have some pending

1442
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:46,960
time sheets that the team is working on

1443
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,200
that will get us closer to to the finish

1444
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,280
line. So that'll happen before the end

1445
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,839
of the year.

1446
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:56,079
>> Good. That's right. So in terms of um

1447
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,240
not the Hibernians but the other senior

1448
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,280
programs um because we don't have money

1449
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,480
>> they didn't submit application.

1450
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,000
>> No no I'm talking about the Catholic

1451
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Charities um the the senior lunch

1452
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,079
programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays

1453
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,760
and Friday well actually it's now it's

1454
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,599
just um

1455
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,520
>> yeah Monday.

1456
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,359
>> I mean I guess I'm not going to worry

1457
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:20,640
about that right now because it's

1458
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,040
$60,000 or something. It seems like

1459
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,280
maybe we'd be able to figure something

1460
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,079
out as we go forward in terms of finding

1461
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:31,520
$60,000. Um, right.

1462
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,880
>> That that doesn't go through her.

1463
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,000
>> It's not a matter of finding it.

1464
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,760
>> Well, I just figured we could figure out

1465
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,839
a way to work with her on on

1466
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:39,440
>> we

1467
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,480
>> just we found money for the youth line.

1468
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,240
>> No, I I know I I understand what we just

1469
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:44,640
did.

1470
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,359
>> As important the youth line is, it is

1471
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,040
very important for us to fund the city

1472
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,119
line. So, there's no doubt about it. It

1473
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,040
will have to be something that needs to

1474
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,480
go back into the budget regarding

1475
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,200
student,

1476
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,480
>> right? We just have to find the money.

1477
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,160
>> We could Well, we were going to do the

1478
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,240
golf course first for the youth program.

1479
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,599
Why couldn't we use the golf course

1480
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,520
revenue to support the seniors?

1481
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,559
>> Well, we already have youth.

1482
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:06,559
>> Let's let's not

1483
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,079
touch

1484
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,240
and get out of here. Um there's other

1485
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,079
thing I asked in the email in terms of

1486
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,359
two agencies. Um and we asked it the

1487
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:18,160
last time you were here. Do you have any

1488
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,839
in terms of um

1489
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:23,119
>> so the the two the two agencies um that

1490
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,480
my department has identified for art um

1491
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,960
that we have concerns around will be the

1492
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:35,349
foundation which is $339,300.

1493
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:37,359
Um

1494
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:40,240
and the second organization is the

1495
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,720
Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2

1496
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,720
million. Now the dar

1497
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,000
uh Mitch can join me if you have some

1498
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,559
you know detailed questions. Mitch has

1499
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,920
been working one on one with both

1500
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,760
organizations I've been involved as well

1501
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,280
of working oneonone. Marie has submitted

1502
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,240
a plan that is not really realistic to

1503
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,160
spend this money in time and they don't

1504
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,880
seem to have um the additional funding

1505
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,559
that's needed to carry out the project

1506
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,440
that was once identified at the time of

1507
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,000
application and coming to to council.

1508
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,280
That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton

1509
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,680
Hill. They are moving forward. They have

1510
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,400
a project manager now and they've

1511
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,640
submitted an updated plan. But with the

1512
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,039
time that we have given them to spend

1513
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:36,240
this money, it is 5050 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is

1514
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,640
working with them for a backup plan to

1515
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,839
maybe instead of doing a new build to do

1516
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:45,760
the older rehab their existing building

1517
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,160
already. So we have been trying to

1518
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,839
troubleshoot

1519
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:53,104
um troubleshoot.

1520
01:03:53,104 --> 01:03:53,680
>> [clears throat]

1521
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,039
>> So Mitch, you want to give us any

1522
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,160
updates on where?

1523
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,999
>> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill

1524
01:03:58,999 --> 01:04:01,359
[clears throat] and I was in we were

1525
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:04,480
introduced to their project manager who

1526
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,520
seems very confident. Um I just received

1527
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,599
a copy of a that I believe yesterday

1528
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,359
a bid he wants to send out to for the

1529
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,200
project to get it so they can get ahead

1530
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,920
of it started.

1531
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,760
uh [clears throat] and we will review

1532
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,319
that and get back to him and he's

1533
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:25,839
following the the policies and

1534
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:28,720
procedures to give any bits to us. So we

1535
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,920
will end up uh moving that forward and

1536
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:37,920
he or they understand that you know the concern is that you know their

1537
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
project manager has said that in order

1538
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,400
to spend the 1 to be sure we spend the

1539
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,319
1.2 2 million by June 30th 2026.

1540
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:49,599
>> He needs about 6 months of construction

1541
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:53,280
based on his long. So

1542
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,319
if this starts and that's being that's

1543
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:57,839
you know making sure that he could spend

1544
01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:59,599
it

1545
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,799
uh so if they started on January 1st

1546
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:06,559
which you know may or may not happen uh

1547
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:09,920
even if they started February so they

1548
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,920
may be able to do it. they they maybe

1549
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,160
they get spent 75%. There's no way to

1550
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,240
know but it's it's going to be cutting

1551
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,839
it very close to you know by that

1552
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,559
timeline. There is a backup plan if that

1553
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,119
doesn't seem to work for some reason and

1554
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,280
that is to you know switch over to

1555
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,720
repairs on the their existing building

1556
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,680
and they're they're doing a two-track

1557
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,039
kind of thing to see uh how they can go

1558
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,119
but that is once again like Alex said

1559
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:41,680
it's 50/50.

1560
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,400
I did have an opportunity today to meet

1561
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,799
with Metroplex and we're going to have a

1562
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,039
conversation with the Hill and Metroplex

1563
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:50,720
so they can offer some project

1564
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,640
management support to make sure that the

1565
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,280
project can move forward. Um I'm

1566
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,880
grateful that Metroplex is able to

1567
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,640
support us in that way because we don't

1568
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,760
have the capacity to offer full project

1569
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,039
management. So, we are working to try to

1570
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,280
>> um

1571
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,720
to assist them to make sure that the

1572
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,880
project is able to move forward. I'll

1573
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,760
add this that we gave our subreients one

1574
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,240
date and we gave ourselves a little bit

1575
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,559
of time in the event.

1576
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:19,839
>> Mhm.

1577
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:23,680
>> Then things stra. So, we do have a

1578
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,240
little bit of fluff time. We have some

1579
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,839
cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we

1580
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:32,160
did that contractually. We gave that one

1581
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,880
time, but we gave ourselves a little bit

1582
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,000
of time for [clears throat] projects

1583
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,799
that may be a little bit delayed. That

1584
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:40,319
was my that was actually my question

1585
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,079
because when we initially started this

1586
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:44,960
conversation with the CBG, excuse me,

1587
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,680
with the AR funds we were allocating, we

1588
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,640
consistently said people recipients that

1589
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,559
they had till the end of 2026. We said

1590
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,799
that council you said that. We said

1591
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:57,119
that. So I I believe that some people

1592
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:59,200
kind of thought they had just time and

1593
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,000
now um it's been less than by six months

1594
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,366
time. That's well understood. So

1595
01:07:04,366 --> 01:07:05,039
[laughter]

1596
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:07,200
essentially my question is let's say

1597
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,200
they don't quite make it to the end of

1598
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,200
June. It takes them to the end of July.

1599
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,880
Is there still an opportunity to make

1600
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:13,680
sure that they get

1601
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,359
>> Yeah, there's still an there's still an

1602
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,440
opportunity. If we would have given them

1603
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,039
contracts to the end of the year, they

1604
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,160
would

1605
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,520
>> we don't have enough time to do

1606
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,119
reporting. We don't know what the US

1607
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:27,039
Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our

1608
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:31,359
ducks in the ducks in the row. So there is a little wiggle room, but

1609
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:32,559
there's not much. We're not saying

1610
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:34,720
there's four additional months because

1611
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,640
we want to give us ourselves time to

1612
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,640
compile whatever it is that is going to

1613
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,039
be required by Treasury.

1614
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:41,599
>> Thank you.

1615
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,720
>> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills

1616
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,880
is a great thing. Do you think that um

1617
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,240
that's a conversation you could have

1618
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,240
with them to assist maybe with Dur as

1619
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,400
well?

1620
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,960
I I'll relax. And what's most important

1621
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,039
is not even Metroplex being willing.

1622
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,960
Metroplex is our partner. So, they want

1623
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,440
to support us. It's about our subreients

1624
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,319
being willing to accept that um support.

1625
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:06,319
So, we're going to contact our

1626
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:08,880
subreients

1627
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,400
and and walk them through that and know

1628
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,079
that let them know that that support is

1629
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:15,039
available to them. I I think that DR is

1630
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,480
a different situation though because the

1631
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,799
funding for that project and Mitch can

1632
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:24,799
touch on that is not really aligned

1633
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:27,759
as as at the time of of application. So

1634
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:29,440
when they applied for it, they said they

1635
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:31,600
had XYZ funding. They've had a

1636
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,679
transition in leadership and she's

1637
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,799
identified that she doesn't know. I'll

1638
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,719
let Mitch elaborate.

1639
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,319
>> So I've met [clears throat] with

1640
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,880
Reverend Solomon of De Foundation. uh

1641
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,520
multiple times and uh

1642
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,400
she was not even aware of this in her

1643
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,787
only [clears throat] 25 that they

1644
01:08:51,787 --> 01:08:53,520
[snorts] even had this.

1645
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,159
>> Uh so they did, you know, start moving

1646
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:57,679
forward and try and do some things and

1647
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:00,239
they ran into some snags.

1648
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,279
she did, you know, recently back on uh

1649
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,080
September 19th, I asked her for a

1650
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,560
revised scope of work and revised budget

1651
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,040
to see how it fits and she didn't do we

1652
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,640
revised budget of $128,000 of the

1653
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,960
$339,000.

1654
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,480
Uh however, it doesn't really meet the

1655
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,199
so the initial funding that we that the

1656
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,000
uh city was funding them for provided

1657
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,040
some some repairs and upgrades and

1658
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,199
furniture to get their steps program

1659
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,040
started uh which is a pretty

1660
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
comprehensive program and that was

1661
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,359
supposed to I have their timeline here

1662
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,640
and they were supposed to start

1663
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,640
construction

1664
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,880
uh in January and June construction

1665
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,640
would be done and we were going to fund

1666
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,120
the programming for a full year after

1667
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,159
uh this you know new funding which this

1668
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:58,239
new application obvious budget will not

1669
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:03,199
obviously fund a year's worth of

1670
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,640
uh work and the idea was that so they

1671
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,840
have 18 months basically of some you

1672
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,239
know equipment and upgrades and then a

1673
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,960
year's worth of a total of you know a

1674
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,840
year's worth six months rehab and

1675
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,800
equipment, 12 months of funding to get

1676
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,320
the program going. That would give them

1677
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,120
the impetus to continue to, you know,

1678
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,679
raise funds and and work to, you know,

1679
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,679
make sure it gets continued.

1680
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,360
>> They will not have that there. And I

1681
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,239
don't know how much they can

1682
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,480
realistically do in a six-month time

1683
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,480
frame between now, you know, six or

1684
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,000
eight month time frame between now and

1685
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,679
June.

1686
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:44,159
>> And not to get weeds in this, so this

1687
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:45,280
would be the last question around this.

1688
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,320
I know.

1689
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,080
>> No, but I just I think that this might

1690
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:48,719
be a [clears throat] little more

1691
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,679
granular than we want to get. So, if I'm

1692
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:53,040
understanding correctly, then there's

1693
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,280
money that was going to go into the like

1694
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,679
some construction of a place to house

1695
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:00,080
the program and then we were going to

1696
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,159
support said programming, right? So,

1697
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,440
would it be impactful for them? And I

1698
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:08,640
think this is something obviously they

1699
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,679
can help reach out to like if they if

1700
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:13,280
they found a partner that could provide

1701
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,440
them with a programming space that

1702
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,520
wouldn't require construction, would

1703
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,120
that help them or no? I guess I'm trying

1704
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,320
to figure out.

1705
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,920
>> They

1706
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,920
don't have the programming gear to go.

1707
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,520
>> Okay. Are you okay?

1708
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,520
>> That's you know they did put in their

1709
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,609
new budget project manager

1710
01:11:31,609 --> 01:11:31,760
[clears throat]

1711
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,840
>> to try and get things started.

1712
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,239
>> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're

1713
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,719
starting a program from scratch and you

1714
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,120
know, Rebecca Solomon was uninvolved in

1715
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,440
the initial planning. So, she's coming

1716
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,880
in, you know, really fresh and

1717
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,360
>> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.

1718
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,840
>> When came to council, the program was

1719
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,679
supposedly already going.

1720
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,280
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

1721
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:12,209
Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was Okay.

1722
01:12:12,219 --> 01:12:15,910
» [clears throat]

1723
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,840
» Sorry guys,

1724
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,679
I'm trying to propose myself to this one

1725
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:21,389
because

1726
01:12:21,389 --> 01:12:22,080
[cough and clears throat] advocate for

1727
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,560
them to receive $525,000

1728
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,640
from the county to do the construction

1729
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,920
$75,000 to do the exterior.

1730
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,760
We're falling apart because we can't put

1731
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,480
the program together to manage our

1732
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:39,440
328,000.

1733
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,199
>> I

1734
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,719
can't say a few more.

1735
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:45,120
>> Yeah, I I think that's something that

1736
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,040
seems like there's some key pieces

1737
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,719
missing that we might get, but I know

1738
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:50,080
where you're going. So, I think maybe a

1739
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,120
conversation.

1740
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,159
>> Let's have this.

1741
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:52,960
>> Yes.

1742
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,719
>> Any other questions? Thank you so much.

1743
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:58,400
Uh thank you. Any other questions?

1744
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,120
>> No, I think she's covered it. Is there

1745
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,880
anything that you want to tell us that

1746
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,000
you did not ask?

1747
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,400
>> No.

1748
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,280
>> You ask more money.

1749
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,400
>> Smart move. Smart move. I like that.

1750
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,960
There you open yourself more question.

1751
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:13,199
>> Thank you.

1752
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,360
so much. Thank you for good

1753
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,320
guidance today.

1754
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,520
>> Thank you.

1755
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:26,880
both.

1756
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:27,280
[clears throat]

1757
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,040
>> Chief

1758
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:41,110
Evening.

1759
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,800
» Good evening. How you all doing? All

1760
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,320
right. Sorry to get you all sweating.

1761
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,320
Blame it for the department. Ask me too

1762
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,719
many questions. [laughter]

1763
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:54,080
>> They know that.

1764
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,199
>> Oh,

1765
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,760
>> they would not find that hard. Um, so we

1766
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,480
have two questions on revenue. I'm let

1767
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,520
hopefully doesn't have that.

1768
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,120
The one has to do with follow of the

1769
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,120
email that we were sharing in terms of

1770
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,239
the um the delinquent um [clears throat]

1771
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,560
delinquent parking tickets

1772
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,360
>> that um we spoke about last year and if

1773
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,000
capital recovery is working with your

1774
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,159
team to kind of scare that and um

1775
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:26,640
looking at the actuals it's kind of like

1776
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,679
in my eyes it looks on the competition

1777
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,199
we had last year and how can we able to

1778
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,679
ramp that up to get some higher numbers

1779
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,840
into next next year.

1780
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,800
>> So, currently in year to date right now,

1781
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:47,679
as of yesterday or today, um we've had

1782
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:53,030
we had $130,64.95

1783
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,669
of outstanding tickets.

1784
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:00,640
» That's 1593

1785
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,760
tickets paid. Uh the oldest ticket was

1786
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,520
issued March 20th of 2000

1787
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,199
and then the most recent one was 6

1788
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:10,719
months.

1789
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,880
Anything delinquent has 6 months or more

1790
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,199
in order to be considered delinquent.

1791
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,040
The [clears throat]

1792
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,679
um

1793
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:23,280
November of 2024 is when we started

1794
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,760
working with uh Capital Recovery.

1795
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,560
because that's when the first uh 44,000

1796
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,080
I think tickets went out and last year I

1797
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,480
can't remember what the um the number

1798
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,520
was but the they're we're not paying

1799
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,360
anything to them. They're adding above

1800
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,600
and beyond what we're

1801
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,189
charged.

1802
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:46,719
It's a percentage of what they do.

1803
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:50,640
>> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.

1804
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,120
they've collected 32,961

1805
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,440
above and beyond what we've collected.

1806
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,920
>> Um that was what they've they charge for

1807
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,480
the service and lose any of our actual

1808
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:01,840
revenue for it.

1809
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,679
>> And

1810
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:06,159
there's I don't know there's maybe other

1811
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,080
options for another collection agency

1812
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,400
possibly, but there's that's really

1813
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,960
nothing that I don't know how other way

1814
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,960
to to do right now. We don't actually do

1815
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,520
any of this work. It goes from passport

1816
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,320
which is our agency goes right from

1817
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,239
there to uh Montgomery and they handle

1818
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:25,920
everything for us. So there's no city

1819
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,480
involvement as far as that goes and they

1820
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,880
just mail the letters out. We let the uh

1821
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,280
they let the fees and we pay down

1822
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,360
>> the agreement that we have with them can

1823
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,960
be taken more than recovery agency. We I

1824
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,040
have

1825
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,960
I believe it's going to be exclusive,

1826
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,199
but I don't know when we'd have to check

1827
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,920
the law department on that. I might be

1828
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,199
able to get a copy of it as well. But um

1829
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:54,880
we signed it in

1830
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,320
probably three years ago, four years

1831
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,199
ago. It took that long

1832
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,423
to take a long time to go.

1833
01:17:00,423 --> 01:17:01,040
[clears throat]

1834
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,840
It very well could be expiring or be

1835
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,480
out, but um we can definitely find out

1836
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,880
when the when the contract expires on

1837
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,400
it.

1838
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,159
So from the time of Tuesday,

1839
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,679
October 14th, so it's like $8,000

1840
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:21,120
more than the last actual provider to

1841
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:21,920
me. Now

1842
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,640
>> yes that's you know they keep they keep

1843
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,679
adding on to the the amount I just want

1844
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:30,640
you spoke about yesterday

1845
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,199
that's $8,000

1846
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:37,520
>> in a in a 6 days 7 days period but the

1847
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,080
whole question is um

1848
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,840
the revenue that we have in the budget

1849
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,719
for 2020 is $170,000

1850
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:47,040
I was thinking that that sooner because

1851
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,719
they started last year they're ramping

1852
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:50,203
up now

1853
01:17:50,203 --> 01:17:52,550
>> [laughter]

1854
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,040
» and work with them to be more aggressive

1855
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,120
in terms of pushing all the ticket as

1856
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,440
much as they can rather than leaving

1857
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,360
them and kind of say okay we'll take it

1858
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,199
from there but we want to make more of a

1859
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,120
hands-on approach and say guys give us a

1860
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,920
report every every two week every month

1861
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,860
or where you are and we need to kind of

1862
01:18:09,860 --> 01:18:11,520
[clears throat] like ramp it up is that

1863
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,120
something that

1864
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,199
>> adding more uh work on your side

1865
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:17,120
>> so not there's really not much we can do

1866
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,280
from our side with capital recovery

1867
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,840
they're They mount letters out. Um they

1868
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,440
I think they do eight or nine series

1869
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:25,440
letters. So they they run all the data.

1870
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,600
They mount letters out. I don't know if

1871
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,440
they don't they make phone calls. They

1872
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,520
just they constantly mount the letters

1873
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,920
out. Um the only other thing that we do

1874
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,199
is we run details internally. So all

1875
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,199
these license plates are put into our

1876
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,080
LPRs. So our officers drive around the

1877
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,600
parking officers. If there's um $300 or

1878
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,159
more owed in tickets, like if the go

1879
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:51,280
off, if the officers are not on call,

1880
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,000
they might stop the officer or might

1881
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,719
stop the car or um in the morning

1882
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:59,199
traffic officers go out. Um I think

1883
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:00,400
>> yeah, I was going to touch I was going

1884
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,360
to touch that.

1885
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,920
>> I do have that right now.

1886
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,149
>> I just got this information. So

1887
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:10,080
[clears throat] this year, so I believe

1888
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,640
we ran 27 details.

1889
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:18,400
>> Mhm. Um, we've had 414

1890
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,719
vehicles that were towed. 414

1891
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:25,360
vehicles. So, some of those are older,

1892
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,679
some of those are new vehicles. As far

1893
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:32,239
as um, SC, as far as like some of them,

1894
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,199
that's people that owe $300 or more. The

1895
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,520
total revenue that brought in from that.

1896
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,360
Some of the people may not have paid um

1897
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,199
but the total outstanding tickets was

1898
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:44,159
$218,953

1899
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:51,110
from those and that cost us $24,26.

1900
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,960
» I'm sorry. [clears throat] 24,000

1901
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,320
>> $26.

1902
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,159
>> Thank you.

1903
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,960
>> Um

1904
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,040
for $218,000.

1905
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,159
So 2 has 27 stock details 414 vehicles

1906
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,040
towed 218,953

1907
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,239
recovered 24,26 in overtime and then

1908
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,880
gain of 194747.

1909
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,159
When I say net gain it's a gain however

1910
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,840
it's money owed to the city. So we're

1911
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,920
really paying the overtime but it's

1912
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,400
money the city already is owed anyway.

1913
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,760
So saying that gain however

1914
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,120
>> we're paying to get the revenue back.

1915
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,680
>> Yeah. When you look at it to be

1916
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,520
[clears throat and cough] We have the

1917
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,440
money set aside to pay for the overtime

1918
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,800
up or down recovery explosion of $28,000

1919
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,960
because if you didn't do that effort

1920
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,199
that 280,000 will be still out there.

1921
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:41,440
>> Yes.

1922
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,040
So that's 280

1923
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,880
>> almost 219,000.

1924
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,239
>> 28.

1925
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:47,760
>> So [clears throat] going back to the

1926
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,990
building,

1927
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,800
» would it be safe for us to increase

1928
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:59,760
$500,000?

1929
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,360
>> I

1930
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,430
would be gone.

1931
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:05,360
[laughter]

1932
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,600
>> So you're a whole bunch more.

1933
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,800
>> So I would

1934
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,239
>> No, no. Talking about the delinquent

1935
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,480
parking, but the recovery

1936
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:14,960
not the delinquent. I would say you're

1937
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,719
more apt to increase actual parking

1938
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:23,040
tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not

1939
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,600
the delinquent part. The delinquents are

1940
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,640
six months old and over.

1941
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,440
>> So even though we we've ran,000 taken in

1942
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,239
200 something,000

1943
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:38,640
of that 2007,000 only 130,000 of it has

1944
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,400
been 6 months older.

1945
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,360
>> Okay.

1946
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,840
>> So of that 130 that's included in that

1947
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,080
too. So the rest of that money has been

1948
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,880
six months. So some people just I don't

1949
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,120
want to go too off track. Another figure

1950
01:21:51,120 --> 01:22:00,310
I'm going to throw at you.

1951
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,840
I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old

1952
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,400
the one over six months was 101

1953
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:08,880
>> uh over 6 months is

1954
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:15,830
$130,64.95

1955
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,000
over six months. How far are back? Not

1956
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,960
>> back to 2000.

1957
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,800
>> Oh, to 2000. Yeah, we had three tickets

1958
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,840
from 2000 and then we had

1959
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,920
>> Louise

1960
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,040
>> five from 2001, one from 2003 when

1961
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,000
>> that was paid.

1962
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,080
>> When we were when [clears throat] we

1963
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,440
were going through the reports last

1964
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:39,760
year, we had we were we were looking at

1965
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,480
a few million dollars of that we think

1966
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:44,960
is like we can recover.

1967
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,719
>> Not the one that 10 years old and things

1968
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:49,120
like that, but it was like way beyond

1969
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,520
Anybody's [clears throat]

1970
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,270
reach

1971
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,510
what are we? [clears throat]

1972
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,149
» No.

1973
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:08,159
» So right now the you know for three

1974
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,840
years so money that is 3 years old or

1975
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:18,629
less is1,252,2851.25

1976
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:21,199
25 million is three years or less. That

1977
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:26,080
is the the highest chance of recovery.

1978
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,639
If you go out a total of

1979
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:34,880
10 years and older, just 10 years and

1980
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,199
one line alone, there is uh 41,000

1981
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:42,800
tickets that are 10 years and older. And

1982
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,679
that is like uh

1983
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:49,040
that money gonna say besides the fact

1984
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,400
that we got money we have 200 this year

1985
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,000
we

1986
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,400
>> $180 from 2000 most likely that

1987
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,239
>> so is there is there like so if the

1988
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,159
public knows that hey you know we're

1989
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,880
going out to get these funds owed to the

1990
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,400
city um is there like a I mean besides

1991
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,800
having to call down putting is there any like maybe like on an app

1992
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,400
or something where people can just enter

1993
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,080
in their I don't know if it would be

1994
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,080
their license or their car, you know,

1995
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,239
maybe their tag number because I'm

1996
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:24,719
thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got

1997
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,360
a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we

1998
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:32,400
have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it

1999
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,639
doesn't cost the manh hours as it can

2000
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:36,560
reduce some of the manh hours to collect

2001
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,000
some of that money. Is there a way to

2002
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,760
>> Yes, they can call in at any time or

2003
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,800
there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the

2004
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,880
website. It's I don't want to say I

2005
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,600
think it's connected what's on the main

2006
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,800
site but park pay or something like that

2007
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,800
and then the license plate didn't be

2008
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,239
able to pay and that'll go for all of

2009
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:55,760
the ticket not moving violations though

2010
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,840
that just be parking.

2011
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,760
>> Okay. All right. So um also if like

2012
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,320
somebody has

2013
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,960
app and they you know they take part the

2014
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,960
delinquent tickets also show off there

2015
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,080
don't they

2016
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,760
>> uh that would be

2017
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,080
>> amounts I don't know

2018
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,400
>> that I do not know

2019
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,239
>> I don't well I don't have one so I

2020
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,440
>> no so when you put something in your

2021
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,120
passport and they get a ticket that

2022
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,880
doesn't show up on

2023
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,400
under your parking fines.

2024
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,360
>> So yes, the park the same this is the

2025
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,600
same system. So I'm guessing that it

2026
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,534
probably is but I'm not I'm about to

2027
01:25:38,534 --> 01:25:39,440
[clears throat]

2028
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,639
go back to 2000 or go back to four or

2029
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:43,840
five years ago

2030
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,679
>> cuz before [clears throat] passport it

2031
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:47,120
was plus

2032
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,000
>> so some of our reporting when you go

2033
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,719
back four years ago or five years ago

2034
01:25:52,719 --> 01:25:56,560
the the reporting sides changed. So that

2035
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,280
probably is when you go back to the 5

2036
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,520
years.

2037
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,840
>> No, I don't mean five years. I meant

2038
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,320
like

2039
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:05,280
>> recent.

2040
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,800
>> Yeah.

2041
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,040
>> So probably show up. So if you if you

2042
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,239
have a ticket can go in the passport to

2043
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:15,040
pay for new parking or pay new parking

2044
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,390
spot.

2045
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,760
» You provide around less 1.2 million.

2046
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:22,080
>> Yes.

2047
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:37,750
>> Do you have a number up to five years?

2048
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:50,870
That includes the doubling of the fun

2049
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,600
through four years is 1.48. 48 million.

2050
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,480
>> Okay.

2051
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,159
>> What is the billing point?

2052
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,390
>> 14 1,48,614.

2053
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,040
» Okay.

2054
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:13,500
>> And then you add that fifth year

2055
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:16,550
[clears throat]

2056
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:25,430
is 1,671,244.

2057
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,280
And when you add the entire thing

2058
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,719
together as far back as our records go,

2059
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:32,560
>> um that's the 10 years and all the way

2060
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,800
back including everything is 5.25.

2061
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,360
>> We need that

2062
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:39,920
right on

2063
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,199
>> some of those people are

2064
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:45,199
>> yes they might have been deceased or you

2065
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:46,480
know moved.

2066
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,320
>> Yes. We can't [clears throat]

2067
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,400
>> this recovery first started in November

2068
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,040
of last year.

2069
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,360
>> November 2024

2070
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,760
since the first tickets got mailed out

2071
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,920
and then from that we've got I can't

2072
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:01,520
remember what it was last year. It was

2073
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,960
very low um because the first ticket

2074
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,880
went out. I can't remember what the the

2075
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,120
final revenue was very low. But so far

2076
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,320
this year we've got 130,000 so far this

2077
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,960
year. Um and it's it's scary. We still

2078
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,120
have two more months to go. So hopefully

2079
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,600
we'll we'll continue to to see that and

2080
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,120
every time ticket gets six months old

2081
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,840
and older, it automatically triggers

2082
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,320
that they start that flexing process. So

2083
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,080
right now

2084
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,159
um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588

2085
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:37,440
tickets have a total base value of

2086
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:41,040
29,000 with penalties of 29,000.

2087
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,639
the total value of 59,165.

2088
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:48,000
And then 61 to 90 days, we have 634

2089
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,840
tickets outstanding with a total value

2090
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,840
of 65,000.

2091
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,120
91 to 80 days, 192 tickets with a total

2092
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:59,679
value of 194,000. So as these tickets

2093
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:01,760
become older, if we don't get them

2094
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,000
through the SC details or people come in

2095
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,840
and pay them, those tickets become

2096
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,000
delinquent and they am not out and that

2097
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,840
will become in this revenue instead of

2098
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,040
our regular revenue. But our parking

2099
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,960
revenue is um the highest spend ever

2100
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,480
just because our our parking guys are

2101
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,239
out there really.

2102
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,320
>> I think we they talked about this but

2103
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,511
I'm not sure about DMV. When would

2104
01:29:24,511 --> 01:29:26,719
[clears throat] this report to DMV

2105
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:31,520
>> that um I don't have the answer to that

2106
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:32,400
one?

2107
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:33,040
>> Okay.

2108
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,480
>> It's not uh that the law has changed

2109
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,320
over the last couple years. So, as far

2110
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:43,199
as the fines go as far as it being just

2111
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:46,400
a fine, they don't I don't believe they

2112
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,400
do go unless there's other kind of

2113
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,400
circumstances. I don't know what those

2114
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,480
are. But overall, I mean, starting last

2115
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,560
November and the efforts, I mean, this

2116
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,280
year, $130,000 and we still have two

2117
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,679
months to go and it's a good effort. I

2118
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:01,920
still sense the feeling that um we're

2119
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,520
going to do better next year because

2120
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:04,960
people going to get these tickets more

2121
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,480
often. We're going to get the letter

2122
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:16,639
repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better protection into next year might

2123
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:20,159
be a better you know

2124
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:21,840
better better for revenue in terms of

2125
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,360
how we we have right now $170,000

2126
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,520
cuz

2127
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,920
let's say you collect $150,000 this year

2128
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,080
next year going to be people they're

2129
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,440
going to start pay they realize that

2130
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:36,719
they're getting this letter now it never

2131
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:38,800
used to happen all of a sudden I'm

2132
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,639
getting letter notified me that I have I

2133
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:42,960
was planning to kick a steady so I need

2134
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,480
to pay for it

2135
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:46,800
now.

2136
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,679
>> So it's likely going to kind of like

2137
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:51,280
>> increase up for a little while then

2138
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,040
it'll peak and then [clears throat]

2139
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,960
>> we'll it'll start to go down a little

2140
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,400
bit but to your point right now it's

2141
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,080
trending up. So you're saying

2142
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,719
>> to maybe increase that line a little bit

2143
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:02,719
because of it's trending up. is driving

2144
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,360
up because people are getting they the

2145
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,639
agency is sending out letters notifying

2146
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:10,560
individual that they have outstanding

2147
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,199
tickets.

2148
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:12,800
>> So what are you thinking now after

2149
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:14,639
hearing that? What do you think?

2150
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:17,173
>> Not $500,000.

2151
01:31:17,173 --> 01:31:17,760
[laughter]

2152
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,199
>> Chief is looking at

2153
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,639
sitting there. I have to like I have to

2154
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:24,080
like push them [laughter] all.

2155
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,280
>> She's about to go out there right now

2156
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,830
and start.

2157
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,239
Okay.

2158
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:35,350
>> All right.

2159
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:36,800
» It's good information. That's why that's

2160
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,239
why I asked for you to be back here

2161
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:38,639
because

2162
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:39,520
>> right while they're here,

2163
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,080
>> we can sit here. We can sit here and you

2164
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,000
know say our you know come up with our

2165
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,880
estimate but here where you are and this

2166
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,639
is the detail that we need.

2167
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,440
>> So that is good information and we'll take that into consideration. And

2168
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:56,159
the next one I want to touch on is the followup uh email the second I think

2169
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,120
is the same email second page in terms

2170
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:04,800
of the detail and the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um

2171
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,280
7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that

2172
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,440
you put there. I apologize if I don't

2173
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,840
want to go more about [clears throat]

2174
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,440
>> um how often are they doing this? So

2175
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:18,159
this every day

2176
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,560
>> no those are the calls we call it stop

2177
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,639
law detail it's not really Scott law we

2178
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:23,920
just call it that's been called so we

2179
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:28,080
went out 27 times uh in 2025 year to

2180
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,719
date and

2181
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:33,679
uh usually we have three two or three

2182
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:36,800
officers working

2183
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,120
I think typically three looks like three

2184
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,560
almost every time actually um

2185
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,159
the dates and times I think that we

2186
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:47,120
worked in but we had 44 14 vehicles were

2187
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:55,669
towed. We recovered uh $218,953

2188
01:32:55,679 --> 01:32:57,840
outstanding tickets,

2189
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,480
>> we [clears throat] spent $24,26

2190
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:01,840
in overtime

2191
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,000
>> 20. Oh, that's the same as you already

2192
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,440
told us that. Okay. for everyone

2193
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:10,560
city got back at approximately $95 back

2194
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,840
in return. The u

2195
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:22,000
do we expect new 127 details uh that we

2196
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,480
wanted to run. If we were to do it again

2197
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,440
next year, we got 80% coverage in 2026.

2198
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,480
If we ran 42 details and we did the same

2199
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:33,760
thing if we ran approximately 644

2200
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,080
vehicles, we take in approximately

2201
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,110
$340,000

2202
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,199
would cost us about $37,600.

2203
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:47,040
The projected net gain of $32,000

2204
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,480
as a

2205
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:51,520
>> where is this accounted in the revenue?

2206
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,360
Oh, so the um

2207
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:54,159
>> that's fine.

2208
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:58,080
>> The regular regular is included in the

2209
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,320
uh regular parking price.

2210
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:00,960
>> Yeah.

2211
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:01,679
>> Okay. That's

2212
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:04,199
>> So that's the 200,000 for

2213
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:05,600
[clears throat] the but I did not

2214
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,000
include any extra in the parking. So if

2215
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,480
we were to say we're doing more parking,

2216
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,400
we could uh definitely put another

2217
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,000
100,000 in there. I would have stayed

2218
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,560
there. We would be spending another

2219
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,199
17,000 in overtime here from what

2220
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:23,920
overall we expect this year in for

2221
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,560
detail. That's what

2222
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,040
>> overall we are now losing against the

2223
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,990
effort. We're gaining almost 10 time

2224
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,080
$100,000 by spending $17,000 is what is

2225
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,360
over the last two years is what he's

2226
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,360
traffic. Do you see this as something

2227
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,840
that we can do more often?

2228
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,840
>> As long as we can get the guys to go out

2229
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,600
and do it, then yes. This is something

2230
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,120
we done in the last couple years and it

2231
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:54,639
was

2232
01:34:54,639 --> 01:34:56,400
over the last few years that hasn't been

2233
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,080
done

2234
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,120
consistently. Last year, uh, it started

2235
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,800
to be a little bit now where the tenant

2236
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,080
traffic is is very organized and does

2237
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,920
very good job. So now it's it's when he

2238
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,760
plans it. So what he actually does ahead

2239
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,280
of time just goes around and

2240
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,679
out there. He go finds all the vehicles

2241
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:20,480
that have been picked or the heaviest

2242
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:22,560
finds the ones that had the most the

2243
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,800
most money that are

2244
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,560
the guys that owes the most money.

2245
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,790
>> There's 27 detail.

2246
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,246
How what is the time span between that?

2247
01:35:35,246 --> 01:35:35,920
[snorts]

2248
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,520
Six months, three months.

2249
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,120
>> Uh we did one January 9th, one January

2250
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,960
15th. So it was from January 9th.

2251
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,320
>> Yeah. Two months.

2252
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,040
>> Two months.

2253
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,600
Now bear in mind, I just

2254
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,360
want to say this that we recogn

2255
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,400
recognized that we get 10x our effort

2256
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,040
here. But when we gave our budget

2257
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,920
request for this year, we only we only

2258
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,840
budget it. We only ask for what we

2259
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,639
develop could cover twice a month.

2260
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:11,920
>> So we we have to the resources that

2261
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,760
we're given, we have to balance them off

2262
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,760
really for our core mission to family

2263
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,840
life and property, not necessarily

2264
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,840
revenue generation. Of course, we'll do

2265
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,751
whatever you ask us to do. So

2266
01:36:21,751 --> 01:36:22,719
[clears throat] if you want us to do

2267
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,440
more, we do overtime to reflect that

2268
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,000
>> so we can pay the officers. So within

2269
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,960
the period of January to February 20 27

2270
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:36,229
retail and you recover almost 293,000

2271
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:40,149
» January to [clears throat]

2272
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:41,760
that was that was like that was between

2273
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,840
January.

2274
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,360
>> January

2275
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:46,239
two per month.

2276
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:48,800
>> Yeah. Two per month.

2277
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,000
>> I know I was excited.

2278
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,840
>> So we did three in January, three in

2279
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,880
February, two in March, uh three in

2280
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,119
April. Oh, one in June, two in July.

2281
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:04,310
>> Okay.

2282
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,159
» So, so you're doing it based on

2283
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,040
availability, based on officers taking

2284
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,520
off time within that period of time.

2285
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,239
3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.

2286
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:15,920
>> That's primarily time.

2287
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,400
>> That's all.

2288
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,080
>> Go ahead.

2289
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,840
It doesn't have so it has to be over

2290
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,400
time. I can't so uh officers are at the

2291
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,320
break regular shift and not I won't say

2292
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,440
in their downtime but like in between

2293
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:31,760
time

2294
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,600
>> so they can so our parking officers do

2295
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:34,880
it during the daytime when they're

2296
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,560
working that's they definitely do that

2297
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,880
our officers if they are working if they

2298
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,119
have downtime they can right now on

2299
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:43,040
midnights um they have an assignment

2300
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,400
where they are doing parking tickets

2301
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,800
overnight um may have gotten some

2302
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,212
complaints from that because they they

2303
01:37:48,212 --> 01:37:49,199
[laughter] have picked up their

2304
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:49,840
>> Oh yes

2305
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,840
>> they have picked up their parking They

2306
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,040
are uh they are doing pretty aggressive

2307
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,800
parking and if they come across any

2308
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,719
scops they do. Uh the details are more

2309
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:00,080
of a targeted to get where he goes

2310
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,870
through and finds the people that have

2311
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,719
basically go through and finds him and

2312
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:08,159
then take a while to get they line up

2313
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:09,600
the tow trucks ahead of time so they're

2314
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,080
not waiting. So they're letting the

2315
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,760
truck drivers know, hey, we're doing a

2316
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,280
scout detail tonight. Can you have a

2317
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,159
couple extra drivers on drivers know hey

2318
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:19,840
you're doing it? And then he lines up

2319
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:21,920
the the tow companies and lets everybody

2320
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,520
know we're going how I'm doing it. So

2321
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,760
it's it's like a

2322
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,840
>> it's a mission.

2323
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,400
>> So it's so

2324
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,400
>> I was just going to say that there is

2325
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,560
there are some tensions to balance here.

2326
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,440
>> Right. Right. So I mean and and because

2327
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,280
I know we're seeing dollar signs and I'm

2328
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,679
like oh but I I want to be

2329
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:43,360
>> just be mindful that we don't want to

2330
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,239
make up our entire you know uh uh we're

2331
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,040
not trying to look at our entire deficit

2332
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,679
well force seed deficit right now on for

2333
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:56,000
ticketing. I think that that's a law. It can get to a point where it be where

2334
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,760
it is feels predatory on the people that

2335
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,719
live here, which then will really put

2336
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:06,239
our uh officers in a tough position as

2337
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,639
we're still trying to maintain and build

2338
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:10,320
strong community partnerships. So, we

2339
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:11,520
have that's something we have to keep in

2340
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:12,239
mind.

2341
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:15,679
>> So, does this priority are $300 plus?

2342
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:18,400
>> These are only 300 plus. We do not so

2343
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,159
far less than that.

2344
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:22,159
um just because that's the number you

2345
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:23,679
see that's how much code is. So we're

2346
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:25,280
not take doing that. If somebody does

2347
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,679
come out and they have they want to pay

2348
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:29,760
it, they can they can pay it for the

2349
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,440
card right through their through the

2350
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,360
app. They can they can do that. So we're

2351
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,280
not taking somebody's car if they they

2352
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,159
do want to pay that. and they've

2353
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:41,679
received uh right through the uh the

2354
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,440
formula that we can see we can see how

2355
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,119
many times in the dates that they

2356
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:46,719
received letters and how many contacts

2357
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:48,639
they've had prior so they didn't know

2358
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:49,520
about it. [clears throat]

2359
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,119
>> We can actually see the letter that they

2360
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:53,119
received and how many times. So

2361
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:56,400
typically, you know, it's um they got

2362
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,080
received the ticket, received a notice

2363
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,360
that it was going to double. Then it's

2364
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,040
they've typically see four or five

2365
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,360
notices before we're actually taking the

2366
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,280
car at time. So there's they've received

2367
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,199
many notices before.

2368
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,840
>> It's not we're not just it's

2369
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,480
>> showing that that detail and just taking

2370
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:20,080
>> people typically know that we're

2371
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:20,719
taking [clears throat] they don't

2372
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:23,760
they're not happy about it. They they don't

2373
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,480
>> and said that the benefit of getting

2374
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:28,239
around is pay your ticket when you get

2375
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:28,480
it.

2376
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:30,239
>> People start paying rent. So it's it's a

2377
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:32,480
balance and the more we do the less

2378
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:37,040
opportunity we'll have to be around.

2379
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,880
>> Any question

2380
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,320
for you? This is good information. Thank

2381
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:40,639
you.

2382
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:41,520
>> I thought we asked something about speed

2383
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:42,880
cameras, didn't we? Didn't you have

2384
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,080
something about speed cameras you was

2385
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,840
asking?

2386
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,520
>> Yeah, you had a question about that

2387
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:55,280
revenue and it was based on

2388
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:55,760
results.

2389
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,719
>> Yes, we do. So we bought I think $2.3

2390
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:01,280
million for the free damage.

2391
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,480
>> Yes. For the

2392
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:06,480
came up with that.

2393
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,239
So I just threw a dart out there and I

2394
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:12,790
said, "Let's go." [laughter]

2395
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,669
» For you.

2396
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:20,320
» So instead of me do a hand out for

2397
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,239
everybody.

2398
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,760
>> Yeah, everybody. It's the easiest way.

2399
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,320
Everybody has it. Just so this is with

2400
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,960
the help of a vendor

2401
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,600
name that I think

2402
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,320
that we had a demo with that we were

2403
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:37,840
thinking about using.

2404
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,000
>> Oh, okay.

2405
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,520
>> And

2406
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,960
the stats

2407
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,400
they gave us with the averages of what

2408
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,880
um

2409
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,719
the city's like powers meet. this

2410
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:57,119
the say that typically

2411
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:59,760
uh we so in the legislation that has not

2412
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,760
been signed yet. So I'm not sure if

2413
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,840
that's I have a copy of that but that

2414
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,285
has not been signed. It's made it

2415
01:42:06,285 --> 01:42:08,239
[clears throat] through both houses but

2416
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,320
has not been signed.

2417
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,520
>> I think in there it says the city of

2418
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,840
Skenctity if approved would have 20 up

2419
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,760
to 20 zones. So the zones could be 20

2420
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,880
different ways. So the

2421
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,400
average, this is a conservative average

2422
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:28,960
>> for a city our size compared to what

2423
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,520
they do. They do these across the US and

2424
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,560
other countries as well, but be 400

2425
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,880
tickets per both directions per month.

2426
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:43,600
>> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid

2427
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,840
um for a certain amount of time and

2428
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,639
those have a 60% collection rate.

2429
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:53,119
>> Wow. then escalate to a $75

2430
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:54,719
payment and then there's a 10%

2431
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:56,960
collection rate on that and then there's

2432
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,760
30% that stay uncollected or over time

2433
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,840
they slowly trickle in then so on here I

2434
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,280
put the numbers 240 40

2435
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,320
so then we this is still would be

2436
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,560
negotiation but I'm putting in their

2437
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,159
assumption of 50% of the same share that

2438
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:19,600
it's per direction So each direction we

2439
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,159
would have receive 6,000,500

2440
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:25,040
and then get 4,500 on collective which

2441
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:26,480
sit there and we would have discussions

2442
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:27,760
like on how we're going to collect that

2443
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,639
money. Um multiply that up by the point

2444
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:32,560
zones

2445
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,600
each direction and the nine months a

2446
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,080
year of the assumptions and that's where

2447
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,800
I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1

2448
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,239
million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million

2449
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,320
over there

2450
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,080
and then down below was 2.6 7 for 9, 2.4

2451
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,239
for 8 if and if it didn't come right

2452
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:54,560
away if the legislation or the bill was

2453
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,639
not signed until later on.

2454
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:00,719
>> And now there is you can also run it for

2455
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:02,960
schools that run summer school. You can

2456
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:03,760
run it

2457
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,440
>> for those or any schools that have

2458
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,199
activities that are school related in

2459
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:09,119
the summertime. So you can run it for

2460
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,719
more months than that.

2461
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:11,520
>> You can or you can't

2462
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,119
>> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year

2463
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:15,280
round or any any time that a school

2464
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,280
function is in place. So you can run it,

2465
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,080
but the most places

2466
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,560
I'm very conservative and I went with

2467
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,760
the assumption 9 months.

2468
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,400
>> The council mayor may decide not to go

2469
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,400
with 20 zones. We have a list of all the

2470
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:32,320
schools. So depending on where everybody

2471
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,800
wants to see them, you may go with not

2472
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,920
20 zones or it may not make sense to do

2473
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,159
>> both directions. Some schools might make

2474
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,159
sense to only go one way instead of

2475
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:43,600
going both ways. M.

2476
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,000
>> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.

2477
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,199
I took these numbers and then I dropped

2478
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:51,280
them down. So just in case there was

2479
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,440
some

2480
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,199
higher than these obviously those in the

2481
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:58,552
papers, you know. Um but these are

2482
01:44:58,552 --> 01:44:59,520
[clears throat] this is where the

2483
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,719
numbers started from before I was just

2484
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:05,760
because I don't find you guys later on

2485
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:06,239
that.

2486
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:10,000
>> Okay. So in Albany there's so I I think

2487
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,119
I remember reading that that like people

2488
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:15,040
were challenging the tickets and they

2489
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,800
were

2490
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,560
being successful and challenging based

2491
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,400
on how those tickets were issued. Is

2492
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,320
that like something that you're aware of

2493
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:23,040
that?

2494
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,840
>> So that I don't know about those as far

2495
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,239
as more like bus patrol. I know you guys

2496
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:29,760
questions on those as well. The bus

2497
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,199
patrol tickets those were

2498
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,040
>> Oh, I was talking about the school speed

2499
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,159
zone tickets.

2500
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:35,199
Yeah,

2501
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:37,280
>> I'm not super familiar so much with

2502
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,639
those being um tested as more as the bus

2503
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:42,000
controls definitely were.

2504
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,560
>> Okay. So,

2505
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,800
>> and there is a now there's been some

2506
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,960
changes to how the system works and how

2507
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,119
the certifications are and those have

2508
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:50,639
been worked around and although that's

2509
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:51,600
been fixed.

2510
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,520
>> So, [clears throat] if there was some

2511
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,199
can test something that was tested on

2512
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:56,800
that. I'm sure that's either fixed or if

2513
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,520
it works to be fixed. There was some uh

2514
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,119
slight things with bus control when it

2515
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:02,480
first came out. They needed to have a

2516
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:04,239
different angle and there had to be a

2517
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:05,440
certification

2518
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,600
>> like a plate picture on there

2519
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,480
>> and that was fixed. Luckily we were on

2520
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:14,000
the back end of getting it when other

2521
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,440
people were so we didn't have that that

2522
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:18,400
issue.

2523
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:22,320
>> Um so if there that was an issue I don't

2524
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:24,239
I'm sure that will be executed by the

2525
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:25,520
time we are

2526
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,440
>> cool. Go ahead.

2527
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,040
>> Thank you. You said on [clears throat]

2528
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,440
this you haven't decided how to collect

2529
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:33,199
these.

2530
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:34,719
Elaborate on that. So [clears throat]

2531
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:36,320
>> the the uncollected the

2532
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,040
>> Oh, the uncollect.

2533
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,199
>> So this right here is is again what kind

2534
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:40,480
of works like bus patrol,

2535
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:41,040
>> right?

2536
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,560
>> This one the the system sends the P or

2537
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,600
it can be somebody else uh video in a

2538
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,159
picture of a car.

2539
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:52,719
This in the legislation has to be over

2540
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:55,040
10 miles an hour. So if the school speed

2541
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,119
zone is 20, it has to be at least 31

2542
01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:59,760
miles per hour. So it can't be anything

2543
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,679
less than 10 miles per hour. So it's

2544
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:03,840
automatically set to 11 miles per hour.

2545
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:04,159
>> Okay?

2546
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:07,199
>> So school zones 20 or 15 whereas

2547
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:10,080
>> it has to be 11 miles hour before it

2548
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,280
gets triggered.

2549
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,600
>> And then there's a picture, there's the

2550
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,000
video, there's license plate, and then

2551
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,560
it gets their company reviews it. And

2552
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,440
then it gets sent to us. We we review it

2553
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:24,159
and then get sent to the video and the

2554
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:25,600
picture gets sent to the registered

2555
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,920
owner. These I believe more people are

2556
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,719
willing to pay these. It's $50 or the

2557
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:35,360
bus patrol tickets $250 and these are

2558
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,360
$50. So I think that's why these have a

2559
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:38,560
higher collection rate than some of the

2560
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,639
other ones.

2561
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:42,560
>> But there would you need an officer or

2562
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,719
someone to review what they what the

2563
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:45,600
company's done too.

2564
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,600
>> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what

2565
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,119
we're doing currently as well. So every

2566
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:52,400
time somebody we do those videos it uh

2567
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,560
we have to review those and then after

2568
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,239
we review it the law department if

2569
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:57,600
somebody says

2570
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,360
>> no

2571
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,119
testing it then the law department

2572
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:02,719
reviews it and then they they'll bring

2573
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:04,400
it to court.

2574
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:04,800
>> Go ahead.

2575
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,520
>> So it's a little off this but I did

2576
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,440
recently have a phone call from a

2577
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:11,920
resident who had received the higher

2578
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,760
ticket and basically said why were you

2579
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,040
there that's my car.

2580
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,600
etc. And I So my question is, which is

2581
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,920
not related to budget, I'm sorry. I told

2582
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,960
her to call the police department or go

2583
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,040
down to the police department and and is

2584
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,040
that was that the right advice to give

2585
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:31,520
this person?

2586
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,760
>> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their

2587
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:37,679
car, then um definitely look at it. A

2588
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:39,119
lot of times we get their say that

2589
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:40,480
there's no way that I would do something

2590
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:42,400
like that. And if that's the case, then

2591
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:43,840
we would say the law department would be

2592
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,119
the way to go. Um

2593
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:49,199
>> gotcha. So they would be able to there

2594
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:50,719
in the mail actually has a link where

2595
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:54,880
they can watch the video of the vehicle.

2596
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,440
>> The ticket, the video, the pictures, all

2597
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,360
sorts of things happen. But if some for

2598
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,600
some reason they say that's not my car,

2599
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,719
then that would be like okay, we could review it and we would say

2600
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:06,639
that's a night license plate that's not

2601
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:08,400
a a blue Buick

2602
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,080
>> and then we would be able to tell if

2603
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:11,840
there's an issue with the registration

2604
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:13,280
vehicle and we could take care of that.

2605
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,520
But if it's there's no way that I don't

2606
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,320
think that I actually ran through it.

2607
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,960
>> Most people 99% of the people aren't

2608
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,280
don't say that because it's it's clearly

2609
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:24,880
clear as that. You actually see like

2610
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,880
four angles. I think it's referring to

2611
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,400
the bus. You actually see yourself going

2612
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:29,119
through it.

2613
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:32,320
>> Um it's very it's very clear. I would

2614
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:33,920
say that's all part because once the

2615
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,840
ticket's issued, we can't unless it's a

2616
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,360
technical issue, we can't get rid of it.

2617
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:38,000
So it's

2618
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,080
>> so once the ticket is issued.

2619
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:43,920
>> Okay. So thank you. Um, so you said that

2620
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,159
this estimate of how much we would get.

2621
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:48,239
So there's room for negotiation that we

2622
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:50,480
could get 60% versus 50.

2623
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,800
>> There it's possible. Um, I believe that

2624
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,119
the 50 is going to probably be where it

2625
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:57,600
is, but we there's the potential. There

2626
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,960
is potential for that. The uh our bus

2627
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,320
patrol started off as a different rate

2628
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,679
and then we renewed after a year. uh our

2629
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:09,760
commissioner really beat him up and got

2630
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,400
us a better rate after one year and

2631
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:13,440
>> Oh, I remember that.

2632
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:16,480
>> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.

2633
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,960
>> So, we have not signed obviously signed

2634
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,560
anything. It's a master service

2635
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,880
agreement. It's um we don't pay anything

2636
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,840
for the company that we currently engage

2637
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,239
with. The city pays no money with it.

2638
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:30,239
It's they install everything. They do

2639
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:33,360
everything. They collect some money. Um,

2640
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,960
but there was no cost to us, but there

2641
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,320
would be a negotiation phase to it. So,

2642
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,840
>> does that mean I can increase this to

2643
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:43,741
400,000?

2644
01:50:43,741 --> 01:50:45,520
[laughter]

2645
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,760
>> I would say if uh if anybody knows the

2646
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:48,880
governor, if you want to call her, have

2647
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,920
her sign the right way in. I know soon

2648
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,600
as she soon as we do get it put in,

2649
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,800
obviously we want to do a uh a campaign

2650
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,880
right away to advise everybody, right?

2651
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:00,560
That's definitely the the right way to

2652
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,840
do it is to we can even they starting

2653
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,000
sooner than later to put it out say

2654
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,760
these are coming just uh once she signs

2655
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,280
it I believe it's following month that

2656
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,800
they can start putting them out I think

2657
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,040
is how the the law works

2658
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:16,800
>> and I think they can get them in between

2659
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,880
like 7 to 14 days if we were to go into

2660
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,199
certain company and everybody agreed

2661
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:23,440
that contract is signed they go pretty

2662
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:27,040
quick but they definitely want to do a

2663
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,480
at least a month or several weeks of a campaign, let people know what's

2664
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,960
happening because

2665
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,760
stick them out there, right? Products,

2666
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,159
but they do do a like a mailing out

2667
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:41,199
campaign. So, it's it can be however

2668
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:43,760
long it's decided where they'll get like

2669
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,840
a warning for a certain amount of time,

2670
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,480
they'll get to actually get warning to

2671
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:51,520
say, you know, you're speeding and

2672
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,320
>> slow down.

2673
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,040
Go ahead. So, do you can you get the

2674
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,760
legislative the number of Oh, you have

2675
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,599
it. Thank you. Because I [clears throat]

2676
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,119
>> like to follow up on this.

2677
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:06,400
>> Here are two copies.

2678
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,547
>> Thank you.

2679
01:52:09,547 --> 01:52:10,880
[clears throat]

2680
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,430
>> Are there any other questions?

2681
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:17,280
» Well, in terms of the funding, this is

2682
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,880
the detail is categorized under the

2683
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:25,360
>> on revenue. Yes. So 610 AMD

2684
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:26,800
approximately the [clears throat]

2685
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,440
>> do you have where where would this fall

2686
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:31,199
or you

2687
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:34,239
own its own mine? I believe he I believe

2688
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:36,239
commissioner

2689
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:37,360
>> you talking about

2690
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:41,599
>> this this detail recovered 219,000 but

2691
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:46,149
it's not in

2692
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,080
that

2693
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:51,679
26 2610

2694
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:59,350
>> B okay

2695
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:01,948
2610

2696
01:53:01,948 --> 01:53:03,360
>> [clears throat]

2697
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:04,880
>> Okay,

2698
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,040
I got a question for the chief.

2699
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,560
>> Well,

2700
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,440
um I think that I I think he probably

2701
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,440
had to have to leave, but Mr. Williams

2702
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:16,320
had asked about a couple of the capital

2703
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,760
budget pieces,

2704
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,280
>> right? I think of the green.

2705
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,040
>> It was answered.

2706
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,360
>> Oh, this is an old I thought this we

2707
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:29,440
just had this tonight.

2708
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:32,320
I think the name October 22nd is the

2709
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,679
date from the school

2710
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:36,560
tonight.

2711
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,239
>> Yeah.

2712
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,480
>> So he

2713
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:43,040
um two of his recommendations and I know

2714
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,960
we had the discussion already about the

2715
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,679
capital fund. Uh the capital budget

2716
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:49,679
doesn't affect our what we're looking

2717
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,520
for here but it would affect us next

2718
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,480
year. So I think it's worth um trying to

2719
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,599
ask the questions. And so on his behalf,

2720
01:53:57,599 --> 01:54:02,000
um he's wondering um about removing from

2721
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:03,520
the police department half of the

2722
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:07,520
vehicle allocations as well as um

2723
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,159
removing department evidence storage

2724
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:13,920
solutions. Um so that would be 273k for

2725
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,239
the first two gay. Um so would you like

2726
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,080
to talk about what impact that would

2727
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:24,480
have if we were to um try to reduce the

2728
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,320
capital budget by

2729
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,199
>> so I'll start off with the evidence um

2730
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:31,280
that one I've actually tried to apply

2731
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,719
for grant in the past um that one right

2732
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:39,119
now we have station

2733
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:44,159
to um that are in and out is full so

2734
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:46,400
we're supposed to be pulling policy says

2735
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,679
we're actually pulling the salt by the

2736
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:51,199
prisoners in and out

2737
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:55,280
>> and we can't because it is full of uh we

2738
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:59,199
have over bikes. We have

2739
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:02,080
um our deliveries and other items coming

2740
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,040
inside of there. So, we have no room in

2741
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:06,639
there because where we were supposed to

2742
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:09,040
keep that stuff is full evidence. So

2743
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:13,040
down in the parking lot uh right bro is

2744
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,280
completely full of evidence and our

2745
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,840
basement is completely full of evidence

2746
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,880
and we have absolutely no room left for

2747
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:21,360
it.

2748
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:21,920
>> Okay.

2749
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,840
>> Um and besides that

2750
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,239
>> besides that we actually uh we have 10

2751
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:29,760
freezers in our basement that uh is

2752
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:32,000
currently they're overheated and we're

2753
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,480
getting them worked on regularly because

2754
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,719
we don't have any track in that room in

2755
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:39,040
the building. We wanted to I thought we

2756
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:40,800
were going to do a bigger project, but I

2757
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,719
think that's future years that's going

2758
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:44,239
to be extremely expensive,

2759
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:44,719
>> right?

2760
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:48,239
>> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000

2761
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:51,920
um HVAC mini smaller project that we had

2762
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,960
quote for last year to get uh air

2763
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:58,400
conditioning air venting in

2764
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,040
our freezing with water. And though all

2765
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,840
our freezers are full, so we need

2766
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:07,360
freezer space. Um, unfortunately, we're out of it. So, we have to buy it.

2767
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:09,040
We had to buy another freezer and we

2768
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,520
don't have a place to put it. So,

2769
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:12,719
$10,000.

2770
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:15,360
>> So, long story short is we that is the

2771
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:16,800
most crucial thing of anything.

2772
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,080
Obviously, we can talk about the other

2773
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,800
things, but we are chucked out of space

2774
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:24,880
and we we need we need space very badly.

2775
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,639
>> One of the reasons for that is that

2776
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:28,480
state changed the detention rates that

2777
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,159
we had to. So, now we can't get rid of

2778
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:30,800
evidence.

2779
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,440
>> Yeah. We got into

2780
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,360
one was unfunded mandates where they

2781
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:37,599
have to keep these for 30 years now and

2782
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:39,280
>> 30 years.

2783
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:40,320
>> We [clears throat] gave up our break

2784
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,719
room for store evidence. We just keep

2785
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:44,480
losing space in our building store

2786
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:47,040
evidence that has to be stored for

2787
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:51,679
upwards of 30 years and she just me but

2788
01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:53,760
we budgeted we budgeted higher than

2789
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,880
50,000 ready to cut it down.

2790
01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:00,239
>> Yes. We asked for uh we asked for we

2791
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:04,800
asked for uh for storage freezer and

2792
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:07,199
training and it got cut from the 700

2793
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:10,480
down to the free spot for now so you can

2794
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:12,239
move some stuff around. So it moves down

2795
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:15,520
to down to the bar

2796
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,280
like and obviously next year we coming

2797
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,440
back and asking for

2798
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,639
other

2799
01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:23,199
>> and then the other well just to finish

2800
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:25,199
the other one that Mr. Williams was

2801
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:27,119
asking about was half the vehicle

2802
01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:30,480
obligations as well. I highly

2803
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,400
>> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want

2804
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,880
to, but if that's a decision that um

2805
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,719
there is, then we would just do that.

2806
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:38,960
Right now, that was cut down from the

2807
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:42,880
initial uh we had asked for

2808
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,960
>> 13 I think that's down to nine, I think.

2809
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:46,719
So, that's one parking vehicle, three

2810
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,960
patrol vehicles, and four detected

2811
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,280
vehicles. One evidence down. Oh,

2812
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:53,280
>> I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes. So,

2813
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:56,080
that's If we had to do that, then we

2814
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,560
would we would make do with do that. So,

2815
01:57:58,560 --> 01:57:59,119
whatever.

2816
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:02,320
>> The danger with that is we're talking

2817
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,800
the ability to buy cars next March or

2818
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,520
next May, and it's usually about a

2819
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,360
one-year process from getting it and

2820
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:10,719
getting it upfitted before it hits the

2821
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:12,400
streets. The ones that were approved

2822
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,639
that we purchased this past May, we

2823
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:16,159
haven't even gotten them yet.

2824
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:18,800
>> Yeah. One today, actually, yesterday.

2825
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:19,920
>> Or was that from the year before? That

2826
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,360
was from the year before. So, May of 24.

2827
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:23,760
Mhm.

2828
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,599
>> We haven't gotten those colors yet. So,

2829
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:30,229
there's always that.

2830
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:34,000
» So, I'm going to finish up the shipping.

2831
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,560
I have a shipping container. Is that is

2832
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,360
that essential to buy from people to

2833
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:40,880
make

2834
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:45,760
>> like that's in the capital

2835
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,840
anywhere? So we're actually from

2836
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,880
speaking to the mayor either locate them

2837
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,960
in an area of our parking lot that's

2838
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,599
currently grass a grassy null or

2839
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,119
potentially put them on top of the

2840
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:58,960
police department because there's a flat

2841
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,280
roof that can wait stand that way just

2842
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,000
looking for space to utilize in l of

2843
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,760
building a building or buying a building

2844
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:09,520
putting on top of the building that

2845
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,560
would be it we we haven't gone through

2846
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,639
that vetting process yet. thick. Yes,

2847
01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:17,840
it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this

2848
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:21,199
a full freezer. It' be a a freezer by 8

2849
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:22,639
by40 freezer

2850
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:24,560
>> which is more efficient than running 10

2851
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,480
individual commercial

2852
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,480
>> you use less power. It's an investment.

2853
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,679
It's a lower cost time.

2854
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:32,239
>> Go ahead.

2855
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,000
>> Thank you. And the important of this

2856
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,719
importance of this for cold cases DNA

2857
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:39,537
everything to save kids things like

2858
01:59:39,537 --> 01:59:42,320
[laughter] that

2859
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:42,800
for sure.

2860
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:45,199
>> Yeah. Right.

2861
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,280
So, um, so with the vehicle questions

2862
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,400
like in 2020 when we're putting our 2025

2863
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,719
budget together, there was a request for

2864
01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:56,080
two SUVs, three hybrid sedans, and a

2865
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,360
hybrid van.

2866
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:57,760
>> Yes.

2867
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:02,000
So, none of those two say we

2868
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,920
received this point. Y so on those um so

2869
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,119
what did we so what were the uh what

2870
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:10,639
were the what did we actually

2871
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:13,679
>> yes you in 20 for the 2025 budget two

2872
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:14,480
SUVs

2873
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:14,960
>> y

2874
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,320
>> three hybrid sedans

2875
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:16,639
>> y

2876
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:18,800
>> and three hybrid vans

2877
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,880
>> we received some of them so the three

2878
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:27,760
hybrids uh those are on the quarter and three

2879
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,840
hybrid sedan sedans we actually went

2880
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,080
with um EVs and we sold one of those

2881
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,320
today and the other two are on order.

2882
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,960
And then the two SUVs,

2883
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:40,800
um, we looked to order one of those, uh,

2884
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:42,400
get the mini bid back the other day, but

2885
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,400
it's not pull the trigger on it. And the

2886
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,880
other one, um,

2887
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:48,968
I don't think we worked that yet.

2888
02:00:48,968 --> 02:00:50,000
[clears throat]

2889
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:51,280
>> So, with the hybrids, is that going to

2890
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,199
be an increased cost? Uh, excuse me,

2891
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:55,040
with the EV, is it going to be increase

2892
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:57,440
instead of just a hybrid versus a

2893
02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:59,280
straight EV is what you said that you

2894
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:00,639
ordered instead of

2895
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:03,119
>> No. So no, there's the same we we stay

2896
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:04,960
within the within the capital within the

2897
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:06,880
budget. Now everything's been within

2898
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,360
those within the lines.

2899
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,840
>> So now in the 20 for the 2026 budget,

2900
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,199
it's saying we just need three moreish.

2901
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:15,520
>> So

2902
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:16,239
>> yes,

2903
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:18,560
>> a total of five in the last

2904
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:18,880
>> Yes.

2905
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:20,800
>> two years to replace to

2906
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,480
>> Yeah. to replace. Yes. So we had we the

2907
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,719
SUVs that are patrol cars, our frontline

2908
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:30,159
cars. So those are the ones that to skip

2909
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:32,080
fortunately those are beat up pretty

2910
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,400
heavily. So the ones that patrol those

2911
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:35,840
are the ones that need to be those are

2912
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,239
hybrids to the SUVs.

2913
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:40,960
The uh patrol interceptors they're all

2914
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,599
those end up getting rid of our chargers

2915
02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:46,320
that we had. Those are back from

2916
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,719
>> 2020 maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest

2917
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:50,080
one we have now. So those are all

2918
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,840
getting phased out. Our old ones are

2919
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,560
down on phosph getting auctioned off.

2920
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:56,639
Oh, that's my next question. What

2921
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:57,280
happens?

2922
02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:59,760
>> We every time we get auctioned off, if

2923
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,080
there's something that's semidecent, in

2924
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:05,040
fact, we have all of the other

2925
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,520
departments, they aren't interested

2926
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:12,310
because they're

2927
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:16,880
so everything that we have is

2928
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:19,599
an accident.

2929
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:21,440
Don't say that money goes

2930
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:23,679
>> money goes back into the revenue and not

2931
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:27,360
our budget but there's a line general

2932
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:28,880
and I think

2933
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,440
>> no general and the uh there's a line

2934
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,480
that's sale of vehicles.

2935
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:37,599
>> Yeah, I see one. So you mentioned about

2936
02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:41,280
um parking with some of the people

2937
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:44,480
can we send people action not to the

2938
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,280
parks department because of the only

2939
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:50,080
from about 8 in the morning or 7 to 5.

2940
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:51,679
>> So we did do that. That's typically what

2941
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:54,400
we do do is we bring them is uh right

2942
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:56,080
now actually we did do that with one of

2943
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,320
our our last vehicles that was moved

2944
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,880
forward to parking. So we have two I'm

2945
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,400
sorry right now we have three vehicles

2946
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:03,440
parking I believe [clears throat] that

2947
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:05,760
were old vehicles and the other one is a

2948
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,040
an EV uh that we had. It was a Chevy

2949
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,920
Bolt and the plan was to buy a Chevy

2950
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,719
Bolt for next [clears throat] year. The

2951
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:17,440
one of the vehicles in parking is just

2952
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:22,000
uh I think it's pretty much fall apart.

2953
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,920
I I think the conversation about the

2954
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:27,840
capital budget when we did this a day or

2955
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:33,280
two, it was more of um can we hold up on

2956
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,040
capital spending because of the

2957
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:37,119
situation we

2958
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:40,639
facing a a budget a proposed budget of

2959
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:44,800
17%. And then fees on top of that and

2960
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:46,800
then this is not going to affect the

2961
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:48,960
budget. We're borrowing money, but we

2962
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:50,560
have to we have taxpayers going to have

2963
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,040
to pay for this in 2027. [clears throat]

2964
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:54,480
That's more borrowing than them already.

2965
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,480
Now, we're pushing that into next year.

2966
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:58,400
>> So, that was open discussion a couple

2967
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:01,199
days ago in terms of can we put these

2968
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:04,080
up? I would say that that you can I

2969
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:06,560
would just say that you know I just my

2970
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:08,560
only thing would be in the future you

2971
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,960
know I might come back and say that we

2972
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:12,639
need vehicles and I just don't want to I

2973
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:13,840
don't want to keep kicking the can too

2974
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:15,440
far down the road but absolutely you

2975
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,599
know what the council decides that then

2976
02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:19,360
we will live with whatever the council

2977
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:21,360
decides the the [clears throat] evidence

2978
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,440
I wouldn't do that

2979
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:26,000
>> ask you to strongly consider not cutting

2980
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:26,880
that one

2981
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,560
>> um but the vehicles if you had to cut

2982
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,199
that in half I would say that we will we

2983
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:37,199
will deal with whatever you guys have to do to do a service for the city.

2984
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:40,000
>> So right now you have three SUVs, four

2985
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,520
unmarked. So are you saying

2986
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:47,760
I'll say two and two unmarked and could

2987
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,520
you and then you still want the parking?

2988
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,976
>> I would love to have they are they

2989
02:04:51,976 --> 02:04:53,199
[clears throat] do a very good job for

2990
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:54,639
us and that's actually the cheapest

2991
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:59,280
vehicle we buy and we actually made team

2992
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:00,480
on that. So, [clears throat] uh, it

2993
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,239
would actually be be pretty pretty

2994
02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:02,639
reasonable

2995
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:05,920
>> price to keep it

2996
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,270
right.

2997
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,679
» Thank you.

2998
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:13,199
for holding that up. Yeah,

2999
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:14,960
because you know it's good that we had

3000
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:16,560
>> Oh, I saw this memo. Thank you.

3001
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:19,280
>> From Carl from Mr. Williams.

3002
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:19,760
>> Yes.

3003
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,520
>> About the discussion and things about

3004
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:23,679
it. That's what the whole center

3005
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:26,639
discussion about the U capital budget is

3006
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:28,159
because of um

3007
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:30,000
>> we need to get out of where we are right

3008
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,360
now

3009
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:34,239
>> and then we need to find a recovery of

3010
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:37,599
how we move forward in the seven.

3011
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:40,159
>> Any other question on this part?

3012
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:42,400
>> So I don't want to continue going but

3013
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:43,840
there are two more questions that was

3014
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:45,119
asked of me. So

3015
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:46,480
>> I don't want I don't want to miss out

3016
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:49,520
and have to come back. [laughter]

3017
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,679
you wanted to know about going into or

3018
02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:53,280
somebody that's

3019
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just

3020
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:59,520
noticed that I got to see what line

3021
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:00,719
>> but it doubled.

3022
02:06:00,719 --> 02:06:01,920
>> Yeah.

3023
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:03,679
>> The question was that it doubled and I

3024
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:05,280
was thinking and I was just trying to

3025
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:08,000
figure out that's line

3026
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:10,080
>> a 1789

3027
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:10,960
>> and a

3028
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,360
>> and and and a so I was just trying to

3029
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:15,440
figure out

3030
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,880
>> why how did we get to doubling? So we

3031
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,800
were asked to come up with a way to

3032
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:22,800
increase revenues

3033
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:24,560
months ago and that was just one

3034
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,870
>> good answer. Oh [laughter]

3035
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:32,400
» we we did renegotiate which

3036
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:38,310
responsibilities

3037
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,480
charge the people that are actually the

3038
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:41,280
total numbers

3039
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,360
>> the contract

3040
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:44,800
year or two ago.

3041
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:45,280
>> Yes.

3042
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:51,189
>> So that is kicking in this year. already

3043
02:06:51,199 --> 02:06:54,800
» said the administrative.

3044
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,520
>> So who is that? Who is that? It absorbs

3045
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:02,560
that the caller is the people who are um

3046
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,239
getting their car because it's divided

3047
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:07,280
between the two of them

3048
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:11,109
typically [clears throat]

3049
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:12,880
but typically it's it's on insurance

3050
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,639
calls.

3051
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:17,280
>> Okay. So accidents I understand.

3052
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:18,719
However, if someone's getting their

3053
02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:22,400
parts because of the license

3054
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:25,440
and so on, those double C's app.

3055
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,719
>> Yes. Police request. Yes.

3056
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:31,520
>> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,

3057
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,960
I guess it would be, right?

3058
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:38,079
>> Or or if you're cop registration or

3059
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:39,599
license,

3060
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:43,040
you can't get somebody to take the time.

3061
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:48,629
If it's a police request

3062
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:53,030
drive,

3063
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:56,239
» I think we're talking $35 or $70.

3064
02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:00,310
>> Yes. Yes.

3065
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:04,719
» Um well, can I go further with that? So

3066
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:06,480
what you if you're including the port

3067
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:11,679
for the to the um to amounts

3068
02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:13,280
those search charges only for the

3069
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:15,520
administrator it didn't include the

3070
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,000
impound lot is a totally separate thing.

3071
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,880
So how so I understand how we get to the

3072
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:23,119
search charge for the towing but the

3073
02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:27,599
impound lot is that is it our lot is it somebody else's lot right?

3074
02:08:27,599 --> 02:08:29,840
>> Yes. So right now uh they can char the

3075
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:31,679
tow companies charge up to $200 for a

3076
02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:34,239
toe and the third the city gets $35 per

3077
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:37,920
toe and then the impound lot they the

3078
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,000
tow companies take them back and tow

3079
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:43,119
there and they get 70 up to $75 per day.

3080
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:45,520
City gets $10 per day. So we would

3081
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:47,599
double that to $20 per day and double

3082
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:48,719
the amount of money.

3083
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,800
>> Oh. So we're only d we're not doubling

3084
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:52,560
the fee for the lot. That 75 doesn't

3085
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:53,840
become 50.

3086
02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:54,560
>> Correct. Correct.

3087
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:56,800
>> But 10 becomes 20. So, and we think it

3088
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,079
we could either tell them that we want

3089
02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:00,159
to keep and take money from the tow

3090
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:01,679
company or negotiate that or say it

3091
02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:04,400
wants to be $85 and then you just add

3092
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,480
$10 on that. [clears throat]

3093
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:09,360
>> Okay.

3094
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:11,040
>> I thought they Isn't there like a limit

3095
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040
that they can charge per day like state

3096
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,400
law or something like that? Like they

3097
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:18,320
can't No, that so that

3098
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:22,550
>> Okay. Okay. I thought

3099
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:28,550
» but either way $10 and Okay.

3100
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,239
I'm sorry again. I'm just looking at

3101
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,639
Australian sheet and there was one other

3102
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:38,159
one is which is the uh it's 3120 a

3103
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:41,270
312402

3104
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:43,119
um

3105
02:09:43,119 --> 02:09:46,239
and it I think he's looking at the um

3106
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:49,760
public safety foundation which in this

3107
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:53,760
budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of

3108
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:56,560
the 25,000 that we used to have. Um

3109
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,119
because I don't understand I guess I'm

3110
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,520
not really understanding Mr. Williams is

3111
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:02,159
um

3112
02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:04,159
>> yeah he's looking at the actual we have

3113
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:06,480
outstanding invoices

3114
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:11,510
the public safety commission on

3115
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:15,840
the one in the park

3116
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,440
of all the invoice being

3117
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:18,480
>> yes

3118
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:20,079
>> today

3119
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:23,119
um I believe they all have um for that

3120
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:25,840
event and all the events everything what

3121
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,119
we have not done uh after anyone was

3122
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:30,719
done with the

3123
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:32,719
You have I say Halloween.

3124
02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:34,320
>> Yeah, that's coming up.

3125
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:39,589
>> We did not do the

3126
02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:42,950
» don't

3127
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,520
» and we did not do there's several ones

3128
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,920
that we did not do obviously not paid

3129
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,079
for towards the end of the year when the

3130
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,119
budget the last couple months uh just

3131
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:55,040
the budget started getting or the budget

3132
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:55,760
was getting

3133
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,639
>> a little tighter. We just

3134
02:10:58,639 --> 02:11:02,079
>> we didn't we didn't try to consult we

3135
02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:04,079
were

3136
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:05,920
>> okay you know what I'm asking I was the

3137
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:08,079
wrong it was the wrong line um Mr.

3138
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:08,800
Williams,

3139
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:10,480
>> he is asking to reduce that line.

3140
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:12,079
>> Yeah, he's asking also

3141
02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:16,400
>> he said, but I said the wrong one.

3142
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:17,920
>> He's asking for

3143
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,159
>> reducing less%.

3144
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:21,520
>> I said the wrong one, but

3145
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:22,239
>> yeah,

3146
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:25,119
>> he go ahead.

3147
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:26,960
>> He he because I couldn't figure it out

3148
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:28,560
myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's

3149
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:31,360
402, not 40. I was talking about 402b,

3150
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:32,800
the public safety foundation, but

3151
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:35,199
actually Mr. Williams's question is

3152
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:39,679
about the administrative expense. 312402

3153
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:44,079
which the budget um I mean year to date

3154
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:47,760
we've spent um only 48

3155
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:51,599
uh 48% of it 48.7K

3156
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:57,280
um and in the 2026 budget um it's being

3157
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:00,950
reduced

3158
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:04,320
» it's not u it's not being reduced and so

3159
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:05,760
I think I think I don't want to put

3160
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,520
words into his mouth

3161
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:10,320
So from from the 2025 adopted to the

3162
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:14,800
2026 proposed is being reduced by 700

3163
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:16,480
>> 11 1,700.

3164
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:18,560
>> Yes. 1,700.

3165
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:21,119
So Mr. Williams is asking that we reduce

3166
02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:22,400
another 25%.

3167
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,960
>> Oh, okay.

3168
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,760
>> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.

3169
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,159
Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an

3170
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:31,679
additional 25,000

3171
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:33,360
>> based on So I want to get your your

3172
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,000
thought on that as well. Does the admin

3173
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:36,719
expense?

3174
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:38,800
>> Yes.

3175
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:42,639
>> So there's it was 25. We we we proposed

3176
02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:46,790
107500.

3177
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:50,079
» I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry. 402

3178
02:12:50,079 --> 02:12:53,520
not 40 to um A, B, or C. want to have

3179
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,000
this

3180
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:58,400
or two here.

3181
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:01,119
>> I I'm getting so

3182
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:02,880
>> it's really the regular administrative

3183
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,760
expense that Mr. Williams is Mr.

3184
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:08,960
Williams is saying perhaps we could

3185
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:09,920
reduce

3186
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,360
>> $10,000. Correct.

3187
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:13,679
>> Yes. He's suggesting reducing it by

3188
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:15,679
$25,000.

3189
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:17,199
And I think that he's saying that

3190
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:20,400
because year to date, which I know these

3191
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:23,040
are don't have all our figures in, but

3192
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:25,760
year to date

3193
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:26,880
>> 48.7.

3194
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:30,400
>> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.

3195
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,360
So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe

3196
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,360
it's because the last quarter

3197
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:38,159
>> many of the contracts get renewed, John.

3198
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:40,159
So, I know we just contracts when

3199
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:40,719
they're

3200
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:43,199
>> just moved from our copy release. We

3201
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:47,199
just signed um couple days ago. So, I

3202
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:50,000
got to find out what that is. Um I can

3203
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,159
tell you that historically, but I'm not

3204
02:13:52,159 --> 02:13:53,920
sure if this is still practice, but

3205
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:56,000
Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some

3206
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,480
supplies at the end of the year, and

3207
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:01,760
that was that would be common practice

3208
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:03,360
prior to the beginning of the year

3209
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,199
because we had a surplus. I don't know

3210
02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:07,280
that I'm going right now.

3211
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:10,320
>> Original request of 1234 was not there,

3212
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:10,639
but

3213
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:12,000
>> Oh, okay.

3214
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:17,199
>> But um I can see exactly what we had

3215
02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:21,669
coming up due for that.

3216
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:22,560
» A big one.

3217
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:26,159
>> That was that's our supply.

3218
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:29,119
>> Yes. So on on administrative?

3219
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:32,079
>> No, that's that's our supply.

3220
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:36,159
This is our guardian software

3221
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:39,440
or not guardian software. Um

3222
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:44,079
our air strike on the engine will

3223
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:50,069
destruction of drugs

3224
02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:53,669
reimbursements

3225
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:57,510
shredded.

3226
02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:00,000
So I can back to that when I actually

3227
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,480
see what we've spent out of that to see

3228
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:04,408
more detail and see

3229
02:15:04,408 --> 02:15:05,040
[clears throat and cough]

3230
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:06,560
what kind of effect that would have on

3231
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:07,679
us.

3232
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:10,880
>> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.

3233
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:13,920
Thanks you [laughter]

3234
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:16,000
>> October. October

3235
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:17,119
>> October

3236
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:27,280
>> September. Yeah. No, I guess

3237
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,840
>> any other questions.

3238
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:31,760
>> Was one more on my sheet?

3239
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:35,280
>> Oh, there. Okay, just so everybody had

3240
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:38,159
to be asking about bus control.

3241
02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:40,880
>> U bus patrol was not reducing the

3242
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,320
numbers.

3243
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:46,320
>> Um reduced by 200,000 from last year

3244
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:47,840
this year.

3245
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:50,719
>> So the answer to put in mind what we

3246
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:53,599
actually received. So this year to date

3247
02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:58,960
uh as of uh the end of September we are

3248
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:01,520
at 249

3249
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,560
it's called $250,000

3250
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:06,079
and

3251
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:09,760
um we renegotiated

3252
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:13,599
it with 300 July. So now we feel that

3253
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:17,040
400,000 is an actual number compared to

3254
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,639
600,000.

3255
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:22,159
The renegotiation made it so that during

3256
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:23,599
the summer months there there used to be

3257
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,440
a technology fee. We no longer have to

3258
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:28,079
pay that which was eating up all the

3259
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:29,840
revenue that we had throughout the

3260
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:30,880
summer months.

3261
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,200
>> And our source technology feed is cut in

3262
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:34,960
half throughout the rest of the year. So

3263
02:16:34,960 --> 02:16:38,559
that really um saved us about $200,000 a

3264
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:42,559
year automatically u without

3265
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:45,200
fees a little bit different now. And I

3266
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,359
know that we have a lot of unlected

3267
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:48,960
funds.

3268
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:54,319
Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000

3269
02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:56,399
uncollected funds there and we're owed

3270
02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:58,880
about 60% of that as well. So there's

3271
02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:01,439
about $600,000 of uncollected funds out

3272
02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:06,000
there and cost. How much is that?

3273
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,880
>> Uh about $600,000 $50 million out there.

3274
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:12,000
About $600,000. So, we have currently

3275
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:13,840
$250,000

3276
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:14,960
actual.

3277
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:15,760
>> Yeah.

3278
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:16,240
>> Receive.

3279
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:17,760
>> Yeah. 2 $250.

3280
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:19,679
>> $600,000 outstanding.

3281
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:20,399
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

3282
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:22,240
>> That's over the last two years.

3283
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:24,880
>> Um outstanding. Currently in the last

3284
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:30,319
year, right now we have $147,000.

3285
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:32,399
That's

3286
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:35,760
we're about to

3287
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,920
depending on it

3288
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:41,439
50% or a lot of involved and they go

3289
02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:44,629
through

3290
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:47,359
on it that would be 60%.

3291
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:52,639
So it's at a minimum 50%. Uh 2271 to 360

3292
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:55,679
days 147,000

3293
02:17:55,679 --> 02:18:00,000
181 to 270 is 178,000.

3294
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,570
90

3295
02:18:02,570 --> 02:18:03,200
[clears throat]

3296
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:07,679
less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are

3297
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:12,399
uncontested unplayed tickets. We have uh

3298
02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:14,639
people that have contested it and

3299
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:18,319
they've lost and that is $10,000. So

3300
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:21,439
that's we have $5,000.

3301
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:23,359
>> What revenue revenue line is that?

3302
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:25,040
>> That's

3303
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:26,399
26.

3304
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:28,960
>> Okay. So if we

3305
02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:32,800
actual it's 250,000 and that is like

3306
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:34,240
current or September

3307
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:37,040
>> that's current that's as of uh today I

3308
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:39,840
just got the end of number sorry that's

3309
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:40,800
through September 30th

3310
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:43,840
>> through September 30th I don't have

3311
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:45,679
I usually like between around October

3312
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:47,040
10th I'll have the numbers through

3313
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:47,599
October.

3314
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:49,760
>> So look at current for September and

3315
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:51,840
look at how much you have outstanding

3316
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:53,920
$600,000 that

3317
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:54,880
>> that's 356

3318
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:56,800
>> that is due to

3319
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:57,840
What's three?

3320
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:00,160
>> Are they any recovery efforts in terms

3321
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:01,920
of us rather than the law department?

3322
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:02,319
But

3323
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:04,160
>> right now, uh the law department I

3324
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:05,679
believe is working they're working on

3325
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:07,359
getting [clears throat]

3326
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:08,719
I believe they're working on getting

3327
02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:09,359
something.

3328
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:10,880
>> Yeah, we're working on it. But by the

3329
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:13,200
same token, it's $200,000. These are not

3330
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:14,319
parking tickets.

3331
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:15,200
>> Yes.

3332
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,439
>> And these the [clears throat] I think

3333
02:19:17,439 --> 02:19:19,439
the police department will will say that

3334
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:21,040
people who are getting these tickets are

3335
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,040
contesting these tickets. These are not

3336
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,679
$50 tickets. These are, you know, you go

3337
02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:28,240
on a certain day of the week and there's

3338
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,160
bus patrol tickets going on that we're

3339
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:33,040
prosecuting. So you I think that there's

3340
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,679
figures that the police department has

3341
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:39,040
provided are figures to go by in light

3342
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:42,639
of the fact that we have to deal with,

3343
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:44,479
you know, people who are contesting

3344
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:51,280
these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200.

3345
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:53,760
You know, it's an incentive for people

3346
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:55,600
to contest a ticket if they feel that

3347
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,160
they have been

3348
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:01,359
wrong. And also,

3349
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:03,040
this is not where, you know, we're

3350
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,399
talking about parking. You're talking

3351
02:20:04,399 --> 02:20:05,920
about parking tickets about going to

3352
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,600
DMV. These aren't being lean these don't

3353
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:11,920
impact and this is probably you know a

3354
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:15,120
deficit in the legislation that these

3355
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,502
tickets these unpaid tickets are not

3356
02:20:17,502 --> 02:20:18,800
[clears throat] impacting the vehicle

3357
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,280
when people go to register. Oh,

3358
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:23,920
>> do you? So that's, you know, if that was

3359
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:27,520
me referred to DMV unpaid

3360
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:29,120
>> tickets,

3361
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:31,200
>> then people would when the registrations

3362
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:32,800
would come up, they would see all these

3363
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:35,120
tickets on the because the tickets

3364
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:36,720
aren't to the person, they're to the

3365
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:37,200
vehicle.

3366
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:37,920
>> Right. Right.

3367
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:39,439
>> This is a lot of work for a lot of

3368
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:42,399
>> This is a huge This is You should be up

3369
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:43,840
there because we've got people

3370
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:46,080
contesting it. We show people the video.

3371
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:48,319
We talked to the people beforehand. We

3372
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:50,560
That's on pre-trial day. And then even

3373
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,040
after that we have to then go to trial

3374
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,760
with you know with the with witnesses

3375
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:58,560
and documentation. So I think the

3376
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:00,240
figures that the police department are

3377
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:04,240
giving you are realistic figures and

3378
02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:06,319
that you know there's a broader issue

3379
02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:09,280
about bus you know you know bus control

3380
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:12,720
you know tickets as far as getting that

3381
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:18,240
revenue that's for UNC you know those tickets where people default if

3382
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:21,200
you will in terms of percentage of

3383
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,520
people getting control of it.

3384
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:25,760
>> Um I I can only give you that off hand.

3385
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:26,640
I mean I can't

3386
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,280
>> I mean over the last several months

3387
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:31,840
>> I I I'll have to look at I can't give

3388
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:34,399
that figure to you right off hand. I'll

3389
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:36,720
talk to the staff in our office who

3390
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:38,000
prosecutes the tickets

3391
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:39,600
>> if you don't mind because we we would

3392
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,600
like to look at that to kind of

3393
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:44,800
>> gauge oursel in terms of what is being

3394
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,920
contested ticket

3395
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:50,080
boss patrol and how much are being tr

3396
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,720
how much are being challenged because

3397
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:55,680
it's it's it is you know we're talking

3398
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:57,920
about you know you know the amount of

3399
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:59,680
you know there's there's police time on

3400
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:02,319
these tickets and there's corporation

3401
02:22:02,319 --> 02:22:03,760
count time on these

3402
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:07,280
as well as so um just managing

3403
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:08,853
expectations.

3404
02:22:08,853 --> 02:22:09,520
[laughter]

3405
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,840
>> So in those cases where people are

3406
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,680
contesting

3407
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,960
>> usually aren't they offered like

3408
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:17,680
reduction

3409
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:20,560
>> the trouble is is that it doesn't we're

3410
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:22,560
this is we have no wiggle room

3411
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:24,800
>> understood okay I got you

3412
02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:25,760
>> there's no wiggle room

3413
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:27,840
>> I understand

3414
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:29,760
>> so Mr. Can I [clears throat] just ask a

3415
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:31,280
question? So, basically, just to get

3416
02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:32,160
back to it,

3417
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:35,120
>> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.

3418
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:36,640
>> And we should not cover that.

3419
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:39,280
>> I mean, the 4,000 is a is a realistic

3420
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:42,240
number. And I would say that I will keep

3421
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:44,240
an eye on it. If for some reason it

3422
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:46,720
starts to like we're we are seeing an

3423
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:49,120
increase now with the new contracts

3424
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:51,520
and it was going great. I would have

3425
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:52,720
come with you next year and say hey you

3426
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:52,880
know

3427
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:54,703
>> a million

3428
02:22:54,703 --> 02:22:55,920
[laughter]

3429
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:57,200
say you know happen to the year say hey

3430
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:58,240
if there's something else you guys want

3431
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:00,080
to do there's you know where's an extra

3432
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:02,080
we might we have $500,000 an extra

3433
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:04,000
$100,000 to do something with but I

3434
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:05,600
would say I would keep I would keep

3435
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,160
>> we would I would keep $400,000

3436
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:09,760
>> did you uh did you factor in the

3437
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:11,280
uncollected into this $400

3438
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:13,120
>> I did not include any uncollected into

3439
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:16,160
that should put an estimate towards that

3440
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:18,319
because I'm sure you're going to collect

3441
02:23:18,319 --> 02:23:22,000
it over the years They right now I don't

3442
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:24,960
know how about this to go about the

3443
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:26,800
unclected and right now the bus patrol

3444
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:30,960
is in talk about how they're going to do

3445
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:34,000
the unclected. I think there's um

3446
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,240
possibly they might be changing the way

3447
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:38,160
the ticket process is working so that

3448
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,840
they might be able to do a simple um a

3449
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:45,280
different process possibly or um the law

3450
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:47,280
department they have to contest and they

3451
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:50,319
have to they have it's a lot in order to

3452
02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:56,800
get a judgment um it's a lot of work

3453
02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:59,600
>> because it's a lot of signing $600,000

3454
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,280
does this does

3455
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:03,120
um S charge added to this.

3456
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:05,920
>> There's no right now 250 and that's it.

3457
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:07,520
>> This is there's no there's no

3458
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:10,080
legislation right now. So in the future

3459
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,640
there's potentially we could come to you

3460
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:15,280
and there's a process in place to say to

3461
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:18,240
add legislation to this. I don't

3462
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:19,200
actually I don't know if that's even

3463
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:22,160
possible but it's it's a state law. It's

3464
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,399
a state law.

3465
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:27,200
200 hours and

3466
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:28,800
>> that's why you can't there's no room for

3467
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:30,560
negotiations.

3468
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:31,920
>> Yeah, because I'm looking at it. I mean,

3469
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:33,600
you have all standing just for the

3470
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:35,680
company parking. We're making an

3471
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:37,200
estimate. So, we're going to collect X

3472
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:39,280
amounts over the next year. I mean, we

3473
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:42,640
should look at this as a potential

3474
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:45,399
revenue against the outstanding tickets.

3475
02:24:45,399 --> 02:24:45,840
[clears throat]

3476
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:46,560
>> Yeah. I mean,

3477
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:48,080
>> so I think we can't just leave that

3478
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:51,439
zero. We definitely going to get some

3479
02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:53,120
>> there going to be some payments against

3480
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:54,240
the understanding.

3481
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:56,319
>> Yeah, there will be some. I just don't

3482
02:24:56,319 --> 02:24:56,720
know.

3483
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,240
>> Yeah, I think we just need to make a

3484
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:00,240
good estimated

3485
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:02,960
>> because

3486
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:05,840
which line are you talking

3487
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:07,359
>> but but they just said that they thought

3488
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:12,550
that 400,000 is realistic

3489
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:14,880
which is which is a million out there

3490
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:18,479
600 of it is. So if you think if if you

3491
02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:20,319
know one sick you get if you get you

3492
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:20,800
know

3493
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:21,920
>> if you get a chart of it

3494
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:22,240
>> right

3495
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:24,479
>> that is that's a little that's a little

3496
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:27,439
>> right

3497
02:25:27,439 --> 02:25:29,760
>> but we so we just have to balance it out

3498
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:31,920
with the expense of

3499
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:32,640
>> right

3500
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:35,120
>> but the expenses are already

3501
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:36,560
>> going to challenge it yes because you

3502
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:37,920
know sometime people are not conscious

3503
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:42,479
of a there I got a ticket

3504
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:45,840
on the bus and I think that u get away

3505
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:46,960
with Okay.

3506
02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:48,880
>> Yeah, that we may want to consider that

3507
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:55,110
because if 600 outstanding

3508
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:57,520
» any other question regarding this

3509
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:59,520
>> we have any more question

3510
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:01,040
>> I was going to ask you let me know

3511
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,040
>> that's all I ask

3512
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:06,880
>> one more you

3513
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:09,760
>> never going to be

3514
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,880
with regards to the detail and it's um

3515
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:15,200
pretty

3516
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:18,240
Would it be unfair to say that if we

3517
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:20,960
were to say okay 50 details per year

3518
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,160
would that be that would help and at the

3519
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:26,399
same time as we do that we will have to

3520
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:28,880
increase the to match whatever is

3521
02:26:28,880 --> 02:26:30,720
collected.

3522
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:34,479
So right now we spend $24,000 $25,000

3523
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:38,479
time for that revenue 400,000.

3524
02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:41,200
If we were to say, let's double it and

3525
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:44,160
set aside $50,000 total time to kind of,

3526
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,000
you know, to do to cover those details,

3527
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:52,319
would that be a a big haul?

3528
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:55,280
>> Maybe it could be done. Maybe

3529
02:26:55,280 --> 02:26:57,040
that was

3530
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,760
>> the thing that we're we're we're putting

3531
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:01,359
over time there. So the officers are

3532
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:02,399
weird. We have no time [clears throat]

3533
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:04,000
to cover that. It's not like, okay,

3534
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:07,439
well, vote. We'll figure out.

3535
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:10,240
>> Yeah. Yeah, I was

3536
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:13,120
we did 27 so far this year and um I

3537
02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:17,680
think he said 42 which one of the best

3538
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:18,960
he did for me for next year.

3539
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:23,110
>> So I'm right there

3540
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:27,750
» later.

3541
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:29,920
I'm think I'm thinking heavy on this. So

3542
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:32,399
I I'll let you know. [laughter]

3543
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:34,560
Any other question for uh the chief?

3544
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:36,640
>> So, so I just wanted to make clear so if

3545
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:40,319
we increase the um and based on the

3546
02:27:40,319 --> 02:27:43,439
number so far we would get how much we

3547
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,600
take in to put against the

3548
02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:50,319
>> 220 it will be it would be like 440,000

3549
02:27:50,319 --> 02:27:53,840
but we'll have to take 50,000

3550
02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:54,640
>> minus 50.

3551
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:56,080
>> Okay.

3552
02:27:56,080 --> 02:27:57,680
>> We taking in revenue but we have to put

3553
02:27:57,680 --> 02:27:59,439
some money there so we can't just stick

3554
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:01,520
in money and add um topping up the over

3555
02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:03,120
time. So what I'm sorry could you just

3556
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:04,479
tell me again the line I was trying

3557
02:28:04,479 --> 02:28:09,840
>> that is a 2610 B

3558
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:10,880
>> and so you're thinking

3559
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:13,840
>> well we'll discuss that when we get into

3560
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:25,910
the dete

3561
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:31,030
that's internal [laughter]

3562
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:33,359
too much out there. Let people know that

3563
02:28:33,359 --> 02:28:35,600
you know

3564
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:36,800
>> it's not like you're not hiding. You're

3565
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:38,880
not hiding anything but everyone's

3566
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:41,120
watching.

3567
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:43,359
>> You know, paperwork.

3568
02:28:43,359 --> 02:28:45,280
>> Any other

3569
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:46,560
Thank you so much.

3570
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:46,960
>> Thank you.

3571
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:50,720
for coming back and well

3572
02:28:50,720 --> 02:29:00,843
good guidance to help us.

3573
02:29:00,853 --> 02:29:02,160
» [laughter]

3574
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:04,160
>> Mr. Motor, you want to take?

3575
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:06,000
>> Yeah, we can. Oh, just before before we

3576
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:12,870
take a break.

3577
02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:14,479
» Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need

3578
02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:16,399
that from you. We'll take a break.

3579
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:18,000
>> What time do you think we are going to

3580
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:23,030
try to have a hard stop this evening?

3581
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:25,600
» What time do you want to go?

3582
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,479
I just

3583
02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:30,328
>> Oh,

3584
02:29:30,328 --> 02:29:30,960
[clears throat]

3585
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:34,000
>> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but

3586
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:36,000
>> it's

3587
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,800
not

3588
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:48,309
just starting to get like

3589
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:50,080
» Yeah. I think the best thing would be if

3590
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:52,640
council give me an email for whatever

3591
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:53,920
changes do

3592
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,160
>> so then I can put into an Excel

3593
02:29:56,160 --> 02:29:59,520
spreadsheet for Friday's meeting for uh

3594
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:01,040
tomorrow night.

3595
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:02,240
>> That is the reason why I said we're

3596
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:02,960
doing a little bit.

3597
02:30:02,960 --> 02:30:05,359
>> So we should probably um

3598
02:30:05,359 --> 02:30:06,880
>> line by line.

3599
02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:10,399
>> No, we not line by line. I did what the

3600
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:13,600
recommended um recommended changes that

3601
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:15,600
was submitted to the back and forth.

3602
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:20,000
We'll do column again proposed budget.

3603
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:23,840
We'll list it as council proposed

3604
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:24,479
proposal,

3605
02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:27,760
>> right? What we usually do for

3606
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:28,880
>> water.

3607
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:30,720
>> So all the proposal that was submitted

3608
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:33,760
to you, we have them. So insert those

3609
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:35,120
into the into the

3610
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:37,200
>> unless we disagree with some of them

3611
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:37,920
from the discussion.

3612
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:40,479
>> That is for discussion Friday. It is for

3613
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:42,080
us to discuss it. But we want to see

3614
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:44,000
where we lie in So, what else do we need

3615
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:45,520
to do tonight then

3616
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:47,840
>> if we're going to do I mean

3617
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:48,720
>> you're doing that tonight. You're going

3618
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:50,319
to have him go back to his office and

3619
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:52,000
give us back.

3620
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,200
>> I'm sorry. I'm just I'm not

3621
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:54,479
understanding.

3622
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:56,800
>> All council changes will be consolidated

3623
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:57,840
to one.

3624
02:30:57,840 --> 02:31:00,080
>> Right.

3625
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:02,640
>> Doc the council proposal.

3626
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:04,479
>> Right. Right. Right.

3627
02:31:04,479 --> 02:31:08,550
>> No, no, no, no, [laughter] no.

3628
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:10,160
Let's do it how we used to have them in

3629
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,240
the past.

3630
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:13,840
>> Proposed budget.

3631
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:16,080
>> We insert a column. We're not doing a

3632
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:18,240
separate sheet. uh we just you know

3633
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:22,080
listed line you know line by line going

3634
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:23,680
down whatever they proposed changes

3635
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:25,600
against those lines we did we're doing

3636
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:27,600
the same thing to the revenue to we

3637
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:30,000
maintain the mayor's budget as we're

3638
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,399
going to touch I mean insert column and

3639
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:33,920
we're putting the council

3640
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:34,399
>> council

3641
02:31:34,399 --> 02:31:35,439
>> proposal

3642
02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:37,680
>> so we want comparison here with it and

3643
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:40,160
then we have a separate total

3644
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:43,200
proposal city council proposal and this

3645
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:44,560
is a new total

3646
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:45,040
>> so

3647
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:47,840
>> we will discuss that Friday then we say

3648
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,000
you don't you don't like it you like it

3649
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:51,840
and then we move forward and then we

3650
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:53,680
talk about it at that point we need to

3651
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,359
move forward now because we're like

3652
02:31:55,359 --> 02:31:57,120
they're showing papers here that's right

3653
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:59,359
>> and we do not have numbers to actually

3654
02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:01,120
look at and see where where the actual

3655
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:02,240
changes need

3656
02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:04,880
>> so so can get a consolidated email from

3657
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:07,600
for all so we're not looking at hundreds

3658
02:32:07,600 --> 02:32:11,270
of emails trying to

3659
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:15,040
» I mean we have mostly emails

3660
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:16,479
>> but we just have more based on

3661
02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:17,439
discussion here. We're going to have

3662
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:21,349
some more exper

3663
02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:23,439
» I can cut and paste all the

3664
02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:26,080
>> Oh, wait. Is that

3665
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:28,720
>> No, we can discuss this discussion.

3666
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:28,960
>> So,

3667
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:30,319
>> well, you've got people in the room. So,

3668
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,000
it's really [laughter]

3669
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:34,160
>> No, we're not negotiation. We're trying

3670
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:38,080
to formalize how we get the report.

3671
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:40,319
>> So, because we need to we need to look

3672
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:46,870
at numbers and we need to look at um

3673
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:47,920
They saw a lot of people make

3674
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:55,270
recommendation.

3675
02:32:55,280 --> 02:46:03,190
I'm going to make some

3676
02:46:03,200 --> 02:46:05,760
and just stay in order. That's what I

3677
02:46:05,760 --> 02:46:07,359
>> I'm going to go through mine in terms of

3678
02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:08,960
my revenue. You go through yours in the

3679
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:13,520
meantime and try to see if we can get u

3680
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:15,600
some attraction.

3681
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:17,760
>> So, are we done with the revenue part?

3682
02:46:17,760 --> 02:46:19,520
>> No, we're about to start it. I am gonna

3683
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:22,000
start my revenue. I'm gonna make my

3684
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:24,800
recommendation.

3685
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:49,160
>> And Sam, can you please make

3686
02:46:49,170 --> 02:46:52,070
» [clears throat]

3687
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:53,920
» You have to take this out.

3688
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:55,359
>> You have you have a copy. You have a

3689
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:56,800
copy of my email and I'm going to go

3690
02:46:56,800 --> 02:46:58,240
through the email that I sent. Everybody

3691
02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:03,910
has a copy of it.

3692
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:05,840
» This one right?

3693
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:08,800
>> Yes.

3694
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:12,230
Yeah.

3695
02:47:12,240 --> 02:47:13,840
» Sir, you have a copy of the CP?

3696
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:14,160
>> Yeah.

3697
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:15,359
>> So, I'm going to go through this and I'm

3698
02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:16,960
going to tell you which one I am making

3699
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:18,640
adjustment and which one I'm adding.

3700
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:19,520
>> Okay.

3701
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:21,200
>> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as

3702
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:26,790
is.

3703
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:28,800
» I know it's 10:02. I'm just saying.

3704
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:30,319
Okay. Oh, you starting right.

3705
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:31,680
>> I'm going with the email that everybody

3706
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:34,000
has a copy of it. And then the next one

3707
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:36,800
is um A116.

3708
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:41,429
I'm sticking with that. Mom.

3709
02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:42,880
» So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a

3710
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:49,190
column that says

3711
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:52,720
» So, you're thinking of reducing

3712
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:57,349
>> reducing

3713
02:47:57,359 --> 02:48:04,469
that reducing

3714
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:06,000
» Yeah.

3715
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:09,830
Mr.

3716
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:14,240
» Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to

3717
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:19,030
$2 million. $850,000.

3718
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:20,560
That's my recommendation back to the

3719
02:48:20,560 --> 02:48:21,359
general fund.

3720
02:48:21,359 --> 02:48:22,640
>> Yep.

3721
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:26,630
>> The A116

3722
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:31,030
increase that to 300,000.

3723
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:33,600
The one I had um waiting on the PD

3724
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:36,800
presentation and I just asked the PD

3725
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:38,640
what their estimate is and they're

3726
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:41,040
looking at um 42 details. I asked for

3727
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:42,080
50.

3728
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:44,080
>> I'm sorry, which one was by the way that

3729
02:48:44,080 --> 02:48:47,349
>> A2610B

3730
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:52,950
» Ab

3731
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:54,319
can you say it again, please?

3732
02:48:54,319 --> 02:48:56,560
>> Um would it be would it be wise for you

3733
02:48:56,560 --> 02:48:58,240
to use the email that I sent to you?

3734
02:48:58,240 --> 02:48:59,920
>> I'm looking at it. I am looking at I

3735
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:01,120
just want to tell you that because the

3736
02:49:01,120 --> 02:49:04,240
last one you just said cannabis

3737
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:07,359
>> but I caught the number there

3738
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:09,279
>> but it's supposed to be you you said you

3739
02:49:09,279 --> 02:49:11,120
said like like a different number than

3740
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:13,200
what it actually you said the 300k but

3741
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:14,640
what you really want to do is increase

3742
02:49:14,640 --> 02:49:15,520
it to 1 million.

3743
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:18,000
>> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.

3744
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:21,200
>> I just going to put them the 1 million

3745
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:24,479
>> down instead of 300,000.

3746
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:26,080
>> I'm trying to be effective here tonight

3747
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:27,920
because we're going to figure back and

3748
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:29,920
forth like this. We're going to go up.

3749
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:32,160
>> I'm just trying to understand. I I think

3750
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,800
that you said 300,000, but you wrote 1

3751
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:36,240
million and it's 1 million

3752
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:38,240
>> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1

3753
02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:38,800
million.

3754
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:41,120
>> I got

3755
02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:42,880
you increase to a million.

3756
02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:45,760
>> I put in parenthesis. Why am I 300 away

3757
02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:47,439
from his sheet Carmel? Just use your

3758
02:49:47,439 --> 02:49:49,120
book here and see what's there. How much

3759
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:50,000
he wants to

3760
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:53,750
>> So a16

3761
02:49:53,760 --> 02:49:55,760
» increasing increase to a million dollars

3762
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:59,120
and that's adding 300,000. Great.

3763
02:49:59,120 --> 02:50:01,359
>> A2 2016B

3764
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:03,279
my notice was to wait on the PD

3765
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:05,200
recommendation. I'm sorry the

3766
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:06,160
presentation.

3767
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:06,560
>> Yeah.

3768
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:08,800
>> And they're looking next year to have 50

3769
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:13,200
details. They did 27

3770
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:16,399
as far as 42 details. I asked what would

3771
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:21,200
be 50. Currently they're $219,000

3772
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:22,319
over time.

3773
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:25,600
>> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000

3774
02:50:25,600 --> 02:50:29,120
there. How much? On line 26 10 A or B

3775
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:30,880
>> B.

3776
02:50:30,880 --> 02:50:32,640
>> Adding how much?

3777
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:35,120
>> 400 $440,000.

3778
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:36,240
>> You're adding that. Okay.

3779
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:40,080
>> Adding 440,000 to that line

3780
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:44,479
>> plus and then adding $50,000 to over

3781
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:47,990
time line.

3782
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:50,800
So I have a little bit of note here.

3783
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:52,479
Yes. So correction here. Which which

3784
02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:54,560
over time are you having online?

3785
02:50:54,560 --> 02:50:57,920
>> In the very same in the very same um

3786
02:50:57,920 --> 02:50:58,800
>> traffic.

3787
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:01,120
>> Is it this is traffic? So over time on

3788
02:51:01,120 --> 02:51:03,040
the traffic.

3789
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:05,279
>> Would that be would that be correct?

3790
02:51:05,279 --> 02:51:07,279
>> Mhm.

3791
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:10,000
>> So would it be easier if you like

3792
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:11,600
increased all your revenue and then when

3793
02:51:11,600 --> 02:51:13,760
your increases come in the budget?

3794
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:15,040
>> No, but I have to do it at the same

3795
02:51:15,040 --> 02:51:15,359
time.

3796
02:51:15,359 --> 02:51:16,560
>> You have to. Okay.

3797
02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:18,240
>> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one

3798
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:19,680
here. This is the only one has in and

3799
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:20,080
out.

3800
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:22,160
>> Okay. because we we're potentially

3801
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:23,840
looking at generating more revenue, but

3802
02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:25,520
it comes with the cost.

3803
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:27,680
>> So that you know what the line number is

3804
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:31,429
on the overtime.

3805
02:51:31,439 --> 02:51:32,800
» So I'm just going to have to look for

3806
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:34,560
it. Police department.

3807
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,319
>> We can wait to find it before we move

3808
02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:38,240
on.

3809
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:42,399
>> Um let's see. So that was one

3810
02:51:42,399 --> 02:51:45,279
um 2610N

3811
02:51:45,279 --> 02:51:50,230
parking fun. So I got to go

3812
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:53,040
adding 440,000 here

3813
02:51:53,040 --> 02:51:56,080
>> the 2610B

3814
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:57,840
>> and then timeline

3815
02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:01,279
>> I'll get it later from the line

3816
02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:02,240
>> on the traffic

3817
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:05,760
>> we don't have it yet

3818
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:07,760
>> I got the 440

3819
02:52:07,760 --> 02:52:09,840
>> line

3820
02:52:09,840 --> 02:52:21,429
50,000

3821
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:25,429
before fire.

3822
02:52:25,439 --> 02:52:27,359
» How much money is that? 400. What?

3823
02:52:27,359 --> 02:52:32,070
>> 440,000.

3824
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:34,880
Got the police department starts in

3825
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:36,560
3120.

3826
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:44,389
>> Thank you guys. the police department.

3827
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:47,439
» Are you saying parking 3320 for me?

3828
02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:49,600
>> That would be on the uh parking or that

3829
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:54,630
will be on the patrol. Um

3830
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:56,240
I would assume it's under parking, but

3831
02:52:56,240 --> 02:52:59,200
maybe the police

3832
02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:00,960
opinion on the matter.

3833
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:03,600
>> Um would that be under um field service

3834
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:07,600
or would that be under um

3835
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:08,960
He said we go through the end of

3836
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:09,600
parking.

3837
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:10,479
>> Parking.

3838
02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:13,279
>> That's what

3839
02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:15,359
I would assume.

3840
02:53:15,359 --> 02:53:17,120
>> Yes.

3841
02:53:17,120 --> 02:53:17,840
>> You're not talking about

3842
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:19,600
>> just looking for the expense line. We're

3843
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:20,080
looking

3844
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:21,279
>> I'm looking at the expense line.

3845
02:53:21,279 --> 02:53:23,439
>> A3320 parking.

3846
02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:26,319
>> The overtime line is 112.

3847
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:27,840
>> What was the number? What's the number

3848
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:28,399
again? Please.

3849
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:28,960
>> Got it. I got it.

3850
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:31,680
>> 833. It's on page 38.

3851
02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:33,439
>> 83320.

3852
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:40,710
>> Yep. Um we can confirm with the

3853
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:42,479
» So we can always we can always adjust

3854
02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:43,439
those numbers.

3855
02:53:43,439 --> 02:53:46,240
>> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be

3856
02:53:46,240 --> 02:53:48,800
proposing

3857
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:50,880
>> sorry 320

3858
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:53,120
>> 3320112

3859
02:53:53,120 --> 02:53:54,399
is the overtime line.

3860
02:53:54,399 --> 02:53:55,600
>> Right. [clears throat]

3861
02:53:55,600 --> 02:53:57,040
>> I'm just looking for the figure.

3862
02:53:57,040 --> 02:53:58,240
>> Yeah but this might not be the right.

3863
02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:00,800
This is like parking like people who

3864
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:03,040
meter and things like that. This detail

3865
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,600
is more like um patrol,

3866
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:06,160
>> right?

3867
02:54:06,160 --> 02:54:10,230
>> This is patrol. That's why

3868
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:13,920
» he did say those fines of 900 those

3869
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:16,800
fines of those 27 details collected are

3870
02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:19,120
in the 910,000,000

3871
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:21,680
lines.

3872
02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:23,200
So,

3873
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:26,800
>> so I think this this has to be an A3122

3874
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:29,520
112

3875
02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:31,359
>> A31

3876
02:54:31,359 --> 02:54:33,040
>> 22 112

3877
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:37,200
>> 31 22 112

3878
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:38,720
>> A

3879
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:40,479
21 22

3880
02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:43,359
>> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.

3881
02:54:43,359 --> 02:54:43,760
>> Right.

3882
02:54:43,760 --> 02:54:44,720
>> Okay.

3883
02:54:44,720 --> 02:54:47,520
>> And that I'm asking um for us to add

3884
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:51,990
50,000 there.

3885
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:52,640
Yes,

3886
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:53,760
>> we're adding expenses

3887
02:54:53,760 --> 02:55:03,110
>> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.

3888
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:07,830
» You want to go back to U.

3889
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:11,200
So this is um 440 plus

3890
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:13,439
>> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440.

3891
02:55:13,439 --> 02:55:15,359
>> 440

3892
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:18,399
the following. Sorry. Thank you.

3893
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:24,150
So let's move to the next line. A2668.

3894
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:26,080
I'm asking for us to maintain the same

3895
02:55:26,080 --> 02:55:31,359
as 2025 4.5 million into 2026

3896
02:55:31,359 --> 02:55:33,359
and that will be an increase of 1.5 I

3897
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:34,560
believe

3898
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:36,640
>> and you just skipped over the liquid

3899
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:37,520
park.

3900
02:55:37,520 --> 02:55:40,560
>> Oh sorry

3901
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:43,040
>> 2610

3902
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:43,600
>> and

3903
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:46,160
>> yeah sorry let me go back. Initially I

3904
02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:47,680
asked for um

3905
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:51,200
>> Initially I had asked for um

3906
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:54,880
>> for that to go up to 232,000

3907
02:55:54,880 --> 02:55:57,680
>> but I'm going to ask to increase that to

3908
02:55:57,680 --> 02:55:59,120
130,000.

3909
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:01,760
>> It's it's at 170.

3910
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:04,399
>> Yes. No 170 plus 130.

3911
02:56:04,399 --> 02:56:06,240
>> Okay. Thanks.

3912
02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:09,520
>> So not the 500k plus not the 500k. So

3913
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:14,230
that mean I would like to bring it to

3914
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:16,560
130

3915
02:56:16,560 --> 02:56:17,120
>> 300

3916
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:23,670
>> 300,000 instead of one one um 170

3917
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:26,000
home um home sales maintain the same as

3918
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:29,439
2025 4.5 million into 2026 and that's an

3919
02:56:29,439 --> 02:56:33,750
increase of 1.5.

3920
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:36,080
The next one is 83005

3921
02:56:36,080 --> 02:56:39,750
mortgage tax.

3922
02:56:39,760 --> 02:56:42,479
I'm ask I'm asking on my proposal. This

3923
02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:44,960
is my proposal to increase that to

3924
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:48,389
410,000.

3925
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:52,240
» Increase it by 410,000 to 1.4 million.

3926
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:57,120
>> That is correct. It's proposed at 9450

3927
02:56:57,120 --> 02:56:58,240
increase.

3928
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:00,319
>> Sorry. Sorry. What What is it?

3929
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:04,880
>> It's at um It's at 950. That was 95.

3930
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:07,040
>> No, it's 9:50.

3931
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:10,319
>> So, is it 410 or 450?

3932
02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:13,120
>> 450.

3933
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:14,640
>> It's just like, well, when you get all

3934
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:16,399
the way through the end, although

3935
02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:17,279
there's a total,

3936
02:57:17,279 --> 02:57:22,070
>> so 450 plus 950

3937
02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:26,080
» and that will bring us to 1.4.

3938
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:26,960
>> Okay.

3939
02:57:26,960 --> 02:57:28,880
>> Now, the totals.

3940
02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:34,960
>> Yes. It's now handsome. So based on today's um

3941
02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:35,920
>> Oh, you got to add

3942
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:38,399
>> conversation. I'm going to add more to

3943
02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:39,120
the sheet.

3944
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:39,840
>> Mhm.

3945
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:41,760
>> So A2610

3946
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:43,840
M.

3947
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:46,720
A2610

3948
02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:49,200
>> M. [clears throat] That's bus patrol.

3949
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:50,160
>> Mhm.

3950
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:52,560
>> I am recommending that we add $200,000

3951
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:55,312
away because we have $600,000

3952
02:57:55,312 --> 02:57:58,160
[snorts] tickets. I'm just pick 600,000.

3953
02:57:58,160 --> 02:58:00,160
I've taken a target which is very

3954
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:01,200
conservative.

3955
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:02,720
>> So please tell me that amount again. I

3956
02:58:02,720 --> 02:58:03,120
just said

3957
02:58:03,120 --> 02:58:04,240
>> 200,000.

3958
02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:06,240
>> So you want to add to the big

3959
02:58:06,240 --> 02:58:08,960
>> Yes. So we're adding 200,000 to this

3960
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:10,560
line. We can go back to the revenue

3961
02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:13,040
line.

3962
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:14,720
>> So what's that? How much you adding back

3963
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:15,120
to that?

3964
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:16,080
>> 200,000.

3965
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:17,040
>> 200.

3966
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:18,479
>> Back to 600K.

3967
02:58:18,479 --> 02:58:19,200
>> Yes.

3968
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:22,399
>> So right now it's 400.

3969
02:58:22,399 --> 02:58:24,240
>> We got a plus.

3970
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:24,560
>> No.

3971
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:26,560
>> 200. That will bring it that will bring

3972
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:28,160
it to 600 KV.

3973
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:30,790
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

3974
02:58:30,800 --> 02:58:32,399
» 2610. Okay.

3975
02:58:32,399 --> 02:58:34,160
>> Yes. 2610.

3976
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:36,080
>> And as in

3977
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:41,120
the next one, um, under snap

3978
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:42,160
600.

3979
02:58:42,160 --> 02:58:44,319
>> Under snap,

3980
02:58:44,319 --> 02:58:48,080
we're asking to add 200,000 there.

3981
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:50,160
>> Give me your money, please.

3982
02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:51,840
>> 1621. All right.

3983
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:56,230
>> That is a 217.

3984
02:58:56,240 --> 02:58:57,359
Oh, the CDBG

3985
02:58:57,359 --> 02:59:01,349
>> CDBG A2170.

3986
02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:08,630
» This is what?

3987
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:10,399
» Yeah, she wanted to keep.

3988
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:12,720
>> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.

3989
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:14,240
>> No, no, no, no. Alex,

3990
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:16,960
>> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out

3991
02:59:16,960 --> 02:59:18,160
of the out of the

3992
02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:19,600
>> We didn't even touch your your stuff.

3993
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:21,040
>> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know

3994
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:22,479
what you're saying. But what what you're

3995
02:59:22,479 --> 02:59:23,680
saying is that she wanted to get

3996
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:27,760
>> I understand it's 200,000,000

3997
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:29,520
200

3998
02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:30,479
>> right. Yes.

3999
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:31,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4000
02:59:31,520 --> 02:59:34,800
>> She said there was 202,000 $55.

4001
02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:36,839
>> Yeah. But we're going to just say 200

4002
02:59:36,839 --> 02:59:38,160
[laughter]

4003
02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:40,960
finish 2,000 is going to go on.

4004
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:42,160
>> Okay.

4005
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:45,520
>> So that's um Snap.

4006
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:46,880
>> Yep.

4007
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:49,520
>> Coats.

4008
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:52,640
>> Thank you. What revenue am I

4009
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:53,840
217?

4010
02:59:53,840 --> 02:59:54,640
>> 170 C.

4011
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:56,479
>> Oh yes, she's

4012
02:59:56,479 --> 02:59:59,439
>> 170,000

4013
02:59:59,439 --> 02:59:59,920
there.

4014
02:59:59,920 --> 03:00:00,240
>> Yep.

4015
03:00:00,240 --> 03:00:03,120
>> So that would be 300.

4016
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:06,000
>> So that will uh currently is 100,000. So

4017
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:08,640
we'll plus 100,000 there too. And

4018
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:13,910
that'll be 300,000 there on that one.

4019
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:14,640
» Okay.

4020
03:00:14,640 --> 03:00:17,600
>> Mhm.

4021
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:19,840
>> Okay. So, I just have to ask this

4022
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:22,080
question while we're doing this. Like in

4023
03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:24,720
Miss Carver's explanation, there was

4024
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:26,560
funds that were sent from prior years.

4025
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:28,399
It's not like we're dealing with um

4026
03:00:28,399 --> 03:00:30,160
recent stuff. She said it had to be

4027
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,000
spended. So, I don't want to get us in

4028
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:33,040
the position where like we're going to

4029
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:34,800
let's leave a couple thousand over there

4030
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:37,359
in years that can ex that can be titled.

4031
03:00:37,359 --> 03:00:39,439
>> She has to spend the oldest first, which

4032
03:00:39,439 --> 03:00:40,080
what's

4033
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:41,920
>> that's exactly what I'm talking about.

4034
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:43,120
So, expand.

4035
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:44,800
>> So, you want to put the the first one on

4036
03:00:44,800 --> 03:00:46,880
snap. You want to put two or two?

4037
03:00:46,880 --> 03:00:49,279
I I think we should we're going to

4038
03:00:49,279 --> 03:00:49,680
fight.

4039
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:53,359
>> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.

4040
03:00:53,359 --> 03:00:54,000
>> Okay.

4041
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:55,359
>> 2178

4042
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:57,120
>> and code was 206.

4043
03:00:57,120 --> 03:00:58,160
>> 20 206.

4044
03:00:58,160 --> 03:00:58,560
>> Yes.

4045
03:00:58,560 --> 03:01:00,399
>> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.

4046
03:01:00,399 --> 03:01:01,520
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

4047
03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:02,800
>> 306.

4048
03:01:02,800 --> 03:01:07,040
>> Okay. So, that would be 306

4049
03:01:07,040 --> 03:01:09,840
and snap is 202 because there's no

4050
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:10,640
funding here.

4051
03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:11,439
>> Right. Okay.

4052
03:01:11,439 --> 03:01:13,279
>> Now, I wish I had completely different

4053
03:01:13,279 --> 03:01:14,319
then.

4054
03:01:14,319 --> 03:01:16,640
>> Are we good? Yes.

4055
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:20,710
>> Um,

4056
03:01:20,720 --> 03:01:25,590
capture.

4057
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:26,080
» Yes.

4058
03:01:26,080 --> 03:01:27,359
>> Thank you.

4059
03:01:27,359 --> 03:01:32,880
>> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my

4060
03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:35,439
>> Did you Did you go over the allowable

4061
03:01:35,439 --> 03:01:36,640
tax?

4062
03:01:36,640 --> 03:01:40,960
>> Yes, I did. Cool. Drop dropping by 850.

4063
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:44,640
>> Add 800. bringing that down to 2 million

4064
03:01:44,640 --> 03:01:47,200
and cannabis increasing that up to a

4065
03:01:47,200 --> 03:01:49,520
million.

4066
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:52,160
>> The we have we have seven for the

4067
03:01:52,160 --> 03:01:54,000
record. We have seven. Oh,

4068
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:55,920
>> so I I have I have more information on

4069
03:01:55,920 --> 03:01:57,665
that if you want to hear it now.

4070
03:01:57,665 --> 03:01:59,359
[clears throat]

4071
03:01:59,359 --> 03:02:02,479
>> Cannabis. So we do have seven that are

4072
03:02:02,479 --> 03:02:06,160
active. There are 13 entirely

4073
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:06,960
>> approved but not

4074
03:02:06,960 --> 03:02:08,399
>> approved but for whatever reason they're

4075
03:02:08,399 --> 03:02:10,319
nonoperational and when they become

4076
03:02:10,319 --> 03:02:11,920
operational we don't know.

4077
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:17,920
>> Um and so in 2025

4078
03:02:17,920 --> 03:02:21,200
we had one that opened uh in April and

4079
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:23,760
another one that opened I'm not sure

4080
03:02:23,760 --> 03:02:25,359
that they think that looks like that

4081
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:28,960
open in January and also January 9th. So

4082
03:02:28,960 --> 03:02:32,479
we had we had three open in 2025.

4083
03:02:32,479 --> 03:02:34,560
We had two that opened in the last

4084
03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:37,760
quarter of 2024.

4085
03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:41,840
Um so that's four and one two and then

4086
03:02:41,840 --> 03:02:44,080
one in the third quarter of 2024 and

4087
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:48,000
then Mr. the one up on Union Street way

4088
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:50,640
back in 23. I mean it did so long.

4089
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:55,840
>> So in terms of capturing the um the

4090
03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:58,319
revenue so

4091
03:02:58,319 --> 03:03:00,479
We're capturing you said we have two

4092
03:03:00,479 --> 03:03:03,200
quarters so far, right? Right. So, one

4093
03:03:03,200 --> 03:03:06,240
of those was not the one that opened in

4094
03:03:06,240 --> 03:03:10,640
April. We did like the first quarter.

4095
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:15,200
There was something that they

4096
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:17,439
get the percentage [clears throat]

4097
03:03:17,439 --> 03:03:20,240
broken down and the county sends us uh

4098
03:03:20,240 --> 03:03:22,319
which goes to the county and then a

4099
03:03:22,319 --> 03:03:23,359
portion goes to us.

4100
03:03:23,359 --> 03:03:26,399
>> So, we don't know which store. But I

4101
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:27,600
don't take that off.

4102
03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:31,120
>> Okay. Well, I on look you find OCM site

4103
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:32,880
that they did those before 111. So they

4104
03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:35,520
would not include

4105
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:37,200
the second they would and all the rest

4106
03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:40,399
of them would be included. So I guess my

4107
03:03:40,399 --> 03:03:43,200
question is raising that up to 1

4108
03:03:43,200 --> 03:03:44,800
million.

4109
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:47,600
It was about 850,000. They took it back

4110
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:50,000
down to 700. So you think it's

4111
03:03:50,000 --> 03:03:51,359
reasonable that we can go all the way to

4112
03:03:51,359 --> 03:03:52,720
I I just wanted I was going to go back

4113
03:03:52,720 --> 03:03:56,160
to 800. I I think it's seven stores.

4114
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:56,800
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

4115
03:03:56,800 --> 03:03:58,640
>> That's okay.

4116
03:03:58,640 --> 03:03:59,840
>> Seven. It's seven stores.

4117
03:03:59,840 --> 03:04:02,000
>> It's seven stores, but it's not like the

4118
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:05,760
big So, that was my confir

4119
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:07,680
most. Four of them are already open.

4120
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:08,160
>> Yes.

4121
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:10,000
>> So, they that money is accounted for. We

4122
03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:19,269
only opened three in 2021.

4123
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:20,640
» Thank you. Got it.

4124
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:22,160
So there seven stores but we're

4125
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:27,600
capturing revenue from four of them for a couple years

4126
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:29,439
>> 800,000 right

4127
03:04:29,439 --> 03:04:31,840
>> and then the three open

4128
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:35,040
>> three more for 200,000

4129
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:36,640
>> but

4130
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:39,279
they're included in some of the revenue

4131
03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:40,720
I thought maybe that's why I wanted the

4132
03:04:40,720 --> 03:04:42,880
dates so we can kind of get an idea of

4133
03:04:42,880 --> 03:04:45,600
like how much we can raise it so I

4134
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:47,520
didn't I don't agree with taking it down

4135
03:04:47,520 --> 03:04:50,000
I do think it should go back up but Um,

4136
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:52,399
I guess I'm concerned if it goes another

4137
03:04:52,399 --> 03:04:55,120
300,000 when we only had one shorter

4138
03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:55,840
account for it.

4139
03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:57,120
>> I thought that went up.

4140
03:04:57,120 --> 03:04:58,640
>> It didn't. They took it down.

4141
03:04:58,640 --> 03:05:02,160
>> They took it down. The mayor

4142
03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:03,120
get back.

4143
03:05:03,120 --> 03:05:04,240
>> He is.

4144
03:05:04,240 --> 03:05:06,000
>> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.

4145
03:05:06,000 --> 03:05:08,240
My question is it's a million too high.

4146
03:05:08,240 --> 03:05:10,640
>> Too much. That's my question because we

4147
03:05:10,640 --> 03:05:12,720
only have one store that wasn't

4148
03:05:12,720 --> 03:05:14,399
incorporated in that. That's my

4149
03:05:14,399 --> 03:05:16,160
question. Um we're banking for the

4150
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:20,160
situation awareness. Two other stores

4151
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:22,000
locations were approved by the planning

4152
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:26,880
commission. One on upper upper upper

4153
03:05:26,880 --> 03:05:30,399
>> Broadway and then there's one key bank

4154
03:05:30,399 --> 03:05:32,479
by the wondering map by the uh

4155
03:05:32,479 --> 03:05:35,040
>> oh yeah

4156
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:36,640
>> there seems to have been some activity

4157
03:05:36,640 --> 03:05:37,359
working on that.

4158
03:05:37,359 --> 03:05:38,080
>> Yes.

4159
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:39,439
They're still working. That's

4160
03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:41,920
right. 1610 Eastern Parkway was is

4161
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:44,160
nonoperational but one. What was the

4162
03:05:44,160 --> 03:05:44,640
other one?

4163
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:46,960
>> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it may be

4164
03:05:46,960 --> 03:05:49,359
West over place. It may go by

4165
03:05:49,359 --> 03:05:52,240
>> Westing

4166
03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:54,000
House. Westing House.

4167
03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:56,319
>> It may be going instead of going to

4168
03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:59,520
Broadway address maybe going.

4169
03:05:59,520 --> 03:06:02,479
>> Do you know the name of it? Because

4170
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:04,800
>> but so basically

4171
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:06,240
170 Broadway.

4172
03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:08,160
>> Okay.

4173
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:09,120
>> Well,

4174
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:12,560
>> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I

4175
03:06:12,560 --> 03:06:14,479
mean I've noticed the decrease on Union

4176
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:16,319
Street of people in mine. I hope the

4177
03:06:16,319 --> 03:06:19,120
same amount of revenue will come in just

4178
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:20,080
>> spreading across. Yeah,

4179
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:21,680
>> it's spreading across. I don't think I

4180
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:22,560
don't think there's going to be a

4181
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:25,439
million dollars um especially with the

4182
03:06:25,439 --> 03:06:27,359
amount of municipalities that now people

4183
03:06:27,359 --> 03:06:30,080
go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,

4184
03:06:30,080 --> 03:06:32,000
it's in Troy, it's all over. So people

4185
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:33,680
were coming here specifically and I

4186
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:35,040
think those first two years we were able

4187
03:06:35,040 --> 03:06:37,760
to capitalize on but I can't see it

4188
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,240
going up that much. But Massachusetts

4189
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:42,000
had it all the time before before we

4190
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:43,920
even dreamed about another story.

4191
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:44,800
Massachusetts had it.

4192
03:06:44,800 --> 03:06:45,920
>> Oh, Massachusetts did.

4193
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:48,479
>> It didn't affect the sale in

4194
03:06:48,479 --> 03:06:50,560
>> Can I can I ask a question of our

4195
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:54,880
commissioner? Why then did we when with

4196
03:06:54,880 --> 03:06:56,560
the mayor's budget, why did it get

4197
03:06:56,560 --> 03:06:57,920
lowered

4198
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:00,000
>> if we have more

4199
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:02,800
active

4200
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:07,439
quarter of this year and you know that

4201
03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:09,840
by two? Oh yeah, I got I see it.

4202
03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:11,520
>> It's right on that mark.

4203
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:12,800
>> Gotcha.

4204
03:07:12,800 --> 03:07:14,000
>> And we're looking at these revenue. I

4205
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:17,760
just want to again caution that

4206
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:20,560
looking at you know increasing revenue

4207
03:07:20,560 --> 03:07:21,279
marks.

4208
03:07:21,279 --> 03:07:23,600
>> So we don't have these marks on balance.

4209
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:27,040
I mean that's really well currently. So

4210
03:07:27,040 --> 03:07:29,200
we don't want to make the city right.

4211
03:07:29,200 --> 03:07:32,000
>> No, that's why I I think we should

4212
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:33,920
increase it back to what it was. Even in

4213
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:35,520
participation of the elder stores

4214
03:07:35,520 --> 03:07:40,560
opening, I I'm I'm cautious with them.

4215
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:42,560
>> So, can I just ask a question about

4216
03:07:42,560 --> 03:07:44,880
process here or because so John gave

4217
03:07:44,880 --> 03:07:46,800
what his

4218
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:49,279
recommendations are? Are we going to go

4219
03:07:49,279 --> 03:07:50,960
to each through each one of his or are

4220
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:51,840
we going to give

4221
03:07:51,840 --> 03:07:53,600
>> each

4222
03:07:53,600 --> 03:07:55,600
other? Okay. Because we're talking

4223
03:07:55,600 --> 03:07:57,920
everybody's proposal and documenting it

4224
03:07:57,920 --> 03:07:58,880
so that the

4225
03:07:58,880 --> 03:07:59,680
>> Okay.

4226
03:07:59,680 --> 03:08:01,920
finance team can have a path forward

4227
03:08:01,920 --> 03:08:04,720
because we need to get numbers and look

4228
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:07,120
at real numbers right

4229
03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:08,800
>> and not look at newspapers and

4230
03:08:08,800 --> 03:08:13,120
>> so just to John would you consider um

4231
03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:14,960
not going to a million on that one

4232
03:08:14,960 --> 03:08:15,600
particular

4233
03:08:15,600 --> 03:08:18,960
>> let's put it there okay then this is what we're going to talk

4234
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:20,720
>> on Friday okay we'll talk about on

4235
03:08:20,720 --> 03:08:21,680
Friday

4236
03:08:21,680 --> 03:08:22,640
>> yes

4237
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:25,910
>> I'm sorry

4238
03:08:25,920 --> 03:08:29,359
I just uh I just need two more to

4239
03:08:29,359 --> 03:08:30,560
um what I have

4240
03:08:30,560 --> 03:08:31,120
>> okay

4241
03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:33,439
>> what I have as as note for me

4242
03:08:33,439 --> 03:08:36,640
>> the new deployment we need to add

4243
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:37,920
150,000 to that line

4244
03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:39,120
>> but that's budget neutral

4245
03:08:39,120 --> 03:08:39,920
>> that's yes

4246
03:08:39,920 --> 03:08:41,600
>> that's not that would be in general

4247
03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:44,880
operating so that's in the cloud

4248
03:08:44,880 --> 03:08:46,319
>> also

4249
03:08:46,319 --> 03:08:48,080
>> let's not let's talk

4250
03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:51,920
>> I just want to find the right to use

4251
03:08:51,920 --> 03:08:54,240
>> and then I also would like to add um

4252
03:08:54,240 --> 03:08:56,880
40,000 back to the senior the senior

4253
03:08:56,880 --> 03:08:57,920
program

4254
03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:01,200
>> that's 8 1989

4255
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:02,800
499

4256
03:09:02,800 --> 03:09:06,720
>> 8 19 49

4257
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:12,070
>> 30

4258
03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:12,560
» Yes.

4259
03:09:12,560 --> 03:09:14,080
>> Mhm.

4260
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:15,840
>> We We need to fun our our senior

4261
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:17,600
programs.

4262
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:19,520
>> We kept one of the fun. We're over 70

4263
03:09:19,520 --> 03:09:20,399
people that just

4264
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:21,200
>> How many?

4265
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:21,760
>> 70.

4266
03:09:21,760 --> 03:09:22,479
>> Mhm.

4267
03:09:22,479 --> 03:09:25,120
>> With a band, not the runners, the

4268
03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:27,200
protot.

4269
03:09:27,200 --> 03:09:31,600
I mean they were was session time

4270
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:33,279
that figure.

4271
03:09:33,279 --> 03:09:33,520
>> Okay.

4272
03:09:33,520 --> 03:09:34,960
>> I I didn't even look at that line

4273
03:09:34,960 --> 03:09:37,279
because I it wasn't coming out of the

4274
03:09:37,279 --> 03:09:37,920
budget.

4275
03:09:37,920 --> 03:09:40,399
>> So we need to document that we the

4276
03:09:40,399 --> 03:09:42,479
council is making recommendation for

4277
03:09:42,479 --> 03:09:43,680
150,000 [clears throat]

4278
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:45,359
um line.

4279
03:09:45,359 --> 03:09:45,680
>> Yes.

4280
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:48,319
>> I know it's we don't want to use a term

4281
03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:50,240
that it's in the cloud. We need we need

4282
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,880
some documentation to show that this is

4283
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:54,080
council recommendation.

4284
03:09:54,080 --> 03:09:56,560
>> Yeah. Well, he's going to give us back a

4285
03:09:56,560 --> 03:09:57,520
new

4286
03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:00,000
>> I'm asking the commissioner.

4287
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:04,080
>> Should we like to document it?

4288
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:06,319
>> This is this is right now it's zero in

4289
03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:06,640
the

4290
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:09,200
>> must be under

4291
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:10,240
>> probably [clears throat] documentation

4292
03:10:10,240 --> 03:10:13,120
for the development department since

4293
03:10:13,120 --> 03:10:17,190
it's not going to be significant.

4294
03:10:17,200 --> 03:10:19,600
I'm sure she would work with the council

4295
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:23,200
and get some language in place

4296
03:10:23,200 --> 03:10:24,640
established.

4297
03:10:24,640 --> 03:10:25,680
>> You okay with that?

4298
03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:28,080
>> Yeah, because whatever lines that she

4299
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:30,800
whatever funding source she identified

4300
03:10:30,800 --> 03:10:32,960
she'll just have to might have to be

4301
03:10:32,960 --> 03:10:34,880
done by legislation or no because she

4302
03:10:34,880 --> 03:10:37,359
said it's already it's already and it's

4303
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:38,080
budget neutral. [clears throat]

4304
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:39,439
>> She can do it. She can do it.

4305
03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:40,640
>> Yeah. So yeah.

4306
03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:42,240
>> So we are not going to touch this

4307
03:10:42,240 --> 03:10:44,720
document with that 15. is it's not going

4308
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:47,040
to be showing in the revenue.

4309
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:48,880
>> Okay, great. We like

4310
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:49,760
>> we do like this.

4311
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:50,240
>> We love that.

4312
03:10:50,240 --> 03:10:51,359
>> Okay, great. So, I'm not even going to

4313
03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:53,520
worry about where is it in this packet.

4314
03:10:53,520 --> 03:10:54,160
>> Yep.

4315
03:10:54,160 --> 03:10:56,880
>> Okay. So, what was next?

4316
03:10:56,880 --> 03:10:59,600
>> Okay, that is my revenue.

4317
03:10:59,600 --> 03:11:01,600
>> Um, you say you want to go next to the

4318
03:11:01,600 --> 03:11:03,200
revenue, please proceed. I'm going to

4319
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:05,040
come back on expending today, but I give

4320
03:11:05,040 --> 03:11:08,240
everybody an opportunity to go ahead. So

4321
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:10,399
I guess with Derek's explanation, I'm

4322
03:11:10,399 --> 03:11:12,720
not in favor of decreasing the allowance

4323
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:15,200
for uncollected taxes by any amount.

4324
03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:17,439
Derek came with that high importance.

4325
03:11:17,439 --> 03:11:18,880
It's not

4326
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:23,600
>> it is I'm sorry 102 A102.

4327
03:11:23,600 --> 03:11:25,439
>> Can can you I know you said it's not

4328
03:11:25,439 --> 03:11:27,920
giving

4329
03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:30,960
um of how that works, why it's there,

4330
03:11:30,960 --> 03:11:33,279
what it's in that board. Can can you

4331
03:11:33,279 --> 03:11:34,800
just explain a little bit further

4332
03:11:34,800 --> 03:11:37,760
because I I'm not in favor of of

4333
03:11:37,760 --> 03:11:40,479
lowering that at all

4334
03:11:40,479 --> 03:11:42,720
>> or how do you account for it or is it

4335
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:43,279
just

4336
03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:44,640
>> Yeah. How do you account for it? Where

4337
03:11:44,640 --> 03:11:46,080
does it end up? What does it work? I

4338
03:11:46,080 --> 03:11:49,279
mean, but it just I know why it has to

4339
03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:50,080
do that.

4340
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:52,560
>> So,

4341
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:54,479
you look at the le. It's basically

4342
03:11:54,479 --> 03:11:56,560
receivable. It shows the full amount,

4343
03:11:56,560 --> 03:11:59,840
right? Um we book it. It's usually

4344
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:03,359
booked at year end. uh the for example

4345
03:12:03,359 --> 03:12:05,760
for 2026

4346
03:12:05,760 --> 03:12:07,840
uh we'll book it in December for

4347
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:11,200
whatever tax less passed

4348
03:12:11,200 --> 03:12:13,279
by

4349
03:12:13,279 --> 03:12:16,000
um and then find out usually around

4350
03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:20,240
March of how much uncollected uh taxes

4351
03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:22,720
been earned. Um so even though you see

4352
03:12:22,720 --> 03:12:24,399
that full amount in the tax relief

4353
03:12:24,399 --> 03:12:26,319
doesn't mean we're actually paying that

4354
03:12:26,319 --> 03:12:30,160
limit. um we find out exactly all

4355
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:32,319
uncollected taxes by March and that's

4356
03:12:32,319 --> 03:12:34,560
why we see that negative amount of the

4357
03:12:34,560 --> 03:12:38,160
adopted budget or proposed budget.

4358
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:40,000
>> Understood.

4359
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:46,720
>> But but my number factor based on as we increase the the collection

4360
03:12:46,720 --> 03:12:49,040
both of them can go for the same time.

4361
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:51,680
>> One has to go up and one has to go down.

4362
03:12:51,680 --> 03:12:54,000
>> Well, not necessarily

4363
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:55,279
paying taxes.

4364
03:12:55,279 --> 03:12:57,600
>> We're budgeting. buting in excess of $6

4365
03:12:57,600 --> 03:12:58,800
million

4366
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:01,439
>> in anticipation of collecting.

4367
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:01,840
>> Well,

4368
03:13:01,840 --> 03:13:04,240
>> so then we need to drop our uncollected

4369
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:06,160
too in anticipation that we're going to

4370
03:13:06,160 --> 03:13:08,080
we're not going to have so much negative

4371
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:10,800
>> tax

4372
03:13:10,800 --> 03:13:13,279
because as we go up one has to come down

4373
03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:15,760
can't have both on the same same path

4374
03:13:15,760 --> 03:13:16,720
there.

4375
03:13:16,720 --> 03:13:18,640
>> I don't

4376
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:21,359
that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not in

4377
03:13:21,359 --> 03:13:26,160
favor of decreasing uh A102.

4378
03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:29,120
>> A 2610 B as in boy.

4379
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:30,399
>> So now I'm going to have to come up with

4380
03:13:30,399 --> 03:13:36,870
a new

4381
03:13:36,880 --> 03:13:38,160
» writing it. I'll just call the number

4382
03:13:38,160 --> 03:13:38,880
out please.

4383
03:13:38,880 --> 03:13:42,880
>> Parking fines. So um so I

4384
03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:44,000
>> which one are the parking?

4385
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:48,560
>> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Mhm.

4386
03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:51,120
>> I I I I I'm in favor of raising it

4387
03:13:51,120 --> 03:13:54,160
150,000, not the 400,000

4388
03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:56,239
>> only because at this point until we get

4389
03:13:56,239 --> 03:13:57,760
clarification on how we're going to

4390
03:13:57,760 --> 03:14:01,920
collect these uncollected whatever um

4391
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:04,239
just I'm just not comfortable with it. I

4392
03:14:04,239 --> 03:14:06,479
don't know. I know. I I'm just being a

4393
03:14:06,479 --> 03:14:08,160
little bit more cautious because of

4394
03:14:08,160 --> 03:14:09,920
these revenues we increase and we

4395
03:14:09,920 --> 03:14:12,640
already start off the the 2027 budget in

4396
03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:14,399
a deficit if we don't make these revenue

4397
03:14:14,399 --> 03:14:18,000
figures. Again, I'm just saying uh bus

4398
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:18,560
patrol

4399
03:14:18,560 --> 03:14:19,359
>> before you proceed ahead.

4400
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:20,000
>> Yes,

4401
03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:23,439
>> I just want to clarify that

4402
03:14:23,439 --> 03:14:25,200
>> and I base my number based on the

4403
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:27,040
comment I think you just had a bit of.

4404
03:14:27,040 --> 03:14:27,680
>> Yes.

4405
03:14:27,680 --> 03:14:29,840
>> So, the detail that they did for this

4406
03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:31,439
year,

4407
03:14:31,439 --> 03:14:32,640
you know,

4408
03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:33,120
>> right?

4409
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:38,080
>> Not overall was 27. They did an internal

4410
03:14:38,080 --> 03:14:39,840
analysis by themselves and they looking

4411
03:14:39,840 --> 03:14:43,200
at 42.

4412
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:43,520
So

4413
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,760
>> based on the 42 day trail that they

4414
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:47,439
planning for next year

4415
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:50,000
>> the revenue is a part of that and that's

4416
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:51,840
how I was payable number here that's

4417
03:14:51,840 --> 03:14:53,520
what I put together

4418
03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:54,800
>> minus the 50 check

4419
03:14:54,800 --> 03:14:56,399
>> that's 218

4420
03:14:56,399 --> 03:15:00,560
>> so 220 220 that's 240 minus the 50,000

4421
03:15:00,560 --> 03:15:01,920
and that's the information I received

4422
03:15:01,920 --> 03:15:04,000
from them I didn't add anything else on

4423
03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:06,720
top of that is pure this is pure number

4424
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:09,359
based

4425
03:15:09,359 --> 03:15:13,200
for yeah they formula

4426
03:15:13,200 --> 03:15:14,479
uh they didn't they didn't they didn't

4427
03:15:14,479 --> 03:15:17,120
factor it out um over time but they did

4428
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:20,000
mention that this this detail comes out

4429
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:22,479
over time so if we're a drawing revenue

4430
03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:25,439
we have to actually assign expenditure

4431
03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:28,560
>> and that's how 50,000 because it's 24 to

4432
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:29,840
I

4433
03:15:29,840 --> 03:15:31,439
>> wrote it all down as well but I didn't

4434
03:15:31,439 --> 03:15:34,399
get the same number you did from from AC

4435
03:15:34,399 --> 03:15:34,880
whipple

4436
03:15:34,880 --> 03:15:40,239
>> this this is this is 218 almost 280

4437
03:15:40,239 --> 03:15:42,880
>> I Factor in that over time. Factor out

4438
03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:44,239
the over time.

4439
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:45,920
>> Just let me review this. So, same thing.

4440
03:15:45,920 --> 03:15:47,040
218

4441
03:15:47,040 --> 03:15:49,520
>> for 414

4442
03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:51,120
plus

4443
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:52,720
>> net

4444
03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:54,000
gain of 130.

4445
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:58,720
>> And this information is from the sheer.

4446
03:15:58,720 --> 03:16:01,680
So that that gain of 130 here and then

4447
03:16:01,680 --> 03:16:05,120
they're looking at um

4448
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:07,359
year to date

4449
03:16:07,359 --> 03:16:11,680
um another 338 which makes 20

4450
03:16:11,680 --> 03:16:14,319
uh just say 270,000.

4451
03:16:14,319 --> 03:16:16,239
>> No, you have to take the full revenue,

4452
03:16:16,239 --> 03:16:16,640
>> right?

4453
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:18,479
>> You can't factor out the cost. Yeah.

4454
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:18,720
Well,

4455
03:16:18,720 --> 03:16:20,319
>> you bring in the full revenue and then

4456
03:16:20,319 --> 03:16:20,560
um

4457
03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:22,000
>> later in the other part of the budget,

4458
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:22,640
we'll put the

4459
03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:24,239
>> So the revenue has to come in as 100%

4460
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:25,840
and then you buy. So you can't you can't

4461
03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:27,200
do both in one.

4462
03:16:27,200 --> 03:16:31,520
>> Okay. So you're saying here taking

4463
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:32,640
the expenditure all the time. That's

4464
03:16:32,640 --> 03:16:33,600
what I did here.

4465
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:35,200
>> Right.

4466
03:16:35,200 --> 03:16:37,600
With the 440 um and what they're saying

4467
03:16:37,600 --> 03:16:39,520
that we're going to get was we we have a

4468
03:16:39,520 --> 03:16:41,680
net 130 this year and then if they

4469
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:43,600
double that it'll be a net 260.

4470
03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:45,600
>> No I think you're mixing it up. Uh no

4471
03:16:45,600 --> 03:16:46,239
that is

4472
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:53,359
>> 44 vehicles 24 uh 27 that is 220,000

4473
03:16:53,359 --> 03:16:56,640
>> they got two.

4474
03:16:56,640 --> 03:16:58,720
But minus the I'm just saying the net

4475
03:16:58,720 --> 03:17:01,040
gain he said was 130. So I'm just

4476
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:03,359
doubling that for

4477
03:17:03,359 --> 03:17:06,160
next year which would be 260. So I'm not

4478
03:17:06,160 --> 03:17:06,960
so

4479
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:09,520
>> can't be 218,000US

4480
03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:12,880
24,000 is not 130. He he told us for

4481
03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:15,040
>> the 130 is a separate line is a separate

4482
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:18,800
line for the six months for the 27

4483
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:20,319
detail

4484
03:17:20,319 --> 03:17:25,030
period was 13,64

4485
03:17:25,040 --> 03:17:27,040
» and for the entire year from January to

4486
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:30,239
October 27th detail 218,000 right

4487
03:17:30,239 --> 03:17:31,760
>> and he's saying and he's saying that

4488
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:33,359
we're going to double those details

4489
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:36,239
>> next year we're going to double that

4490
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:37,520
revenue and then he takes the

4491
03:17:37,520 --> 03:17:39,040
expenditures out over

4492
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:40,560
>> I'm not worried about the expenditures

4493
03:17:40,560 --> 03:17:42,080
I'm just worried about the revenue.

4494
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:44,000
>> Well, the revenue what they provide to

4495
03:17:44,000 --> 03:17:44,319
us

4496
03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:48,239
>> 218 and 218 is is 4. You really say 219.

4497
03:17:48,239 --> 03:17:50,560
>> That's why I round up 44.

4498
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:53,040
>> But what's already on the line is 910

4499
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:53,840
>> is 9.

4500
03:17:53,840 --> 03:17:55,760
>> No, this is not even in the budget. They

4501
03:17:55,760 --> 03:17:56,880
didn't account for this.

4502
03:17:56,880 --> 03:18:00,399
>> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.

4503
03:18:00,399 --> 03:18:02,880
>> We have to call. It was included in

4504
03:18:02,880 --> 03:18:05,359
>> the chief said that this is noted in the

4505
03:18:05,359 --> 03:18:06,479
revenue.

4506
03:18:06,479 --> 03:18:08,960
>> This is something new. ACL said it was

4507
03:18:08,960 --> 03:18:10,560
in the park fine.

4508
03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:12,239
>> That's what he said.

4509
03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:15,040
>> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down

4510
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:16,960
what he said. 2610B.

4511
03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:18,640
>> Yes. And that's what I think.

4512
03:18:18,640 --> 03:18:21,920
>> But but this is he's already incorporate

4513
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:24,000
this and you want to add another 440

4514
03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:25,359
minus the thing is.

4515
03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:27,040
>> Yeah. Just say 44.

4516
03:18:27,040 --> 03:18:29,840
>> This was not accounted for that.

4517
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:31,439
>> Well, there seems the consensus of

4518
03:18:31,439 --> 03:18:32,720
people who thought that he did say that.

4519
03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:34,479
So I guess

4520
03:18:34,479 --> 03:18:37,279
>> my question was direct to him.

4521
03:18:37,279 --> 03:18:38,800
very clear that it is not.

4522
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:43,200
>> So, so, so, so this is what we do in the scenario that it's not there.

4523
03:18:43,200 --> 03:18:44,560
Dorin, you have one number. In the

4524
03:18:44,560 --> 03:18:45,760
scenario that it is there, you have

4525
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:46,880
another. Then we move on.

4526
03:18:46,880 --> 03:18:48,960
>> I understand. Okay.

4527
03:18:48,960 --> 03:18:50,720
>> Because they are increasing it next year

4528
03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:52,000
to ask of that,

4529
03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:53,439
>> right? Doubling it. Yes.

4530
03:18:53,439 --> 03:18:55,680
>> Which would be 440, but there's already

4531
03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:57,439
910 on the line. Yes.

4532
03:18:57,439 --> 03:18:59,200
>> Let me see. I think I have this number.

4533
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:00,319
Can we call or is that

4534
03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:02,080
>> proper?

4535
03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:03,520
We just go through the numbers.

4536
03:19:03,520 --> 03:19:04,880
>> We go through your number. I can always

4537
03:19:04,880 --> 03:19:05,840
read this stuff.

4538
03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:07,359
>> So, again, I'm not. All right. So,

4539
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:10,000
that's uh 26.

4540
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:13,200
>> Oh, I thought you were saying something.

4541
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:14,880
>> So, you want to increase it by 150. I

4542
03:19:14,880 --> 03:19:15,680
want to make sure I get your number

4543
03:19:15,680 --> 03:19:16,080
down. Right.

4544
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:17,359
>> I'm going to I'm going to see what what

4545
03:19:17,359 --> 03:19:17,840
was that.

4546
03:19:17,840 --> 03:19:23,520
>> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add

4547
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:28,070
comfortable with

4548
03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:31,359
Sam has a detail and the detail together

4549
03:19:31,359 --> 03:19:33,200
so that we're not missing anything. So,

4550
03:19:33,200 --> 03:19:34,720
let's get your number. What you're

4551
03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:36,880
proposing for the parking

4552
03:19:36,880 --> 03:19:39,359
>> for the parking fine

4553
03:19:39,359 --> 03:19:42,800
150 from the 910 up

4554
03:19:42,800 --> 03:19:44,800
>> 150 increase already

4555
03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:46,640
>> over the 910 correct.

4556
03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:48,479
>> Are we doing anything with the expense

4557
03:19:48,479 --> 03:19:49,520
line though for time?

4558
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:51,760
>> We're not there yet but we will have to

4559
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:53,520
because it will increase the staffing

4560
03:19:53,520 --> 03:19:53,920
cost.

4561
03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:55,808
>> Yeah.

4562
03:19:55,808 --> 03:19:56,319
[clears throat]

4563
03:19:56,319 --> 03:20:00,309
>> So busary

4564
03:20:00,319 --> 03:20:03,040
» oh and delinquent parking funds. Oh,

4565
03:20:03,040 --> 03:20:05,439
then that was just that one. Oh, the bus

4566
03:20:05,439 --> 03:20:07,600
control 2610 and it's in Nancy. I'm

4567
03:20:07,600 --> 03:20:10,319
comfortable with that increase.

4568
03:20:10,319 --> 03:20:14,160
>> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase

4569
03:20:14,160 --> 03:20:15,200
out there?

4570
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:16,080
>> The bus patrol,

4571
03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:16,800
>> right?

4572
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:19,520
>> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600

4573
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:21,760
>> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting

4574
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:22,800
that in.

4575
03:20:22,800 --> 03:20:24,319
>> Um, I'm just debating that.

4576
03:20:24,319 --> 03:20:25,600
>> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm

4577
03:20:25,600 --> 03:20:26,960
sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as

4578
03:20:26,960 --> 03:20:28,000
>> Well, it's new.

4579
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:28,319
>> Okay.

4580
03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:29,120
>> NEW

4581
03:20:29,120 --> 03:20:30,800
>> and you're good with 2.3.

4582
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:32,080
>> Well, yeah.

4583
03:20:32,080 --> 03:20:35,920
I think that's all right. A 2660A.

4584
03:20:35,920 --> 03:20:38,560
Oh, I I missed I missed some

4585
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:40,880
>> 66A.

4586
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:43,520
>> I missed the car's um recommendation. I

4587
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:45,520
will not I I will not I will not go

4588
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:48,160
above 3 million. She sat here tonight

4589
03:20:48,160 --> 03:20:49,359
and said that that's what she was

4590
03:20:49,359 --> 03:20:50,960
comfortable with.

4591
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:55,349
>> A3005

4592
03:20:55,359 --> 03:21:01,030
» mortgage tax. mortgage tax

4593
03:21:01,040 --> 03:21:03,040
only 200,000.

4594
03:21:03,040 --> 03:21:05,359
So what's how much is that? Um I only

4595
03:21:05,359 --> 03:21:08,479
want it to be 200,000. Oh increase to

4596
03:21:08,479 --> 03:21:11,680
200,000. So 950 plus 200,000

4597
03:21:11,680 --> 03:21:14,399
>> is sort of around what Mr. Mut is

4598
03:21:14,399 --> 03:21:14,720
saying,

4599
03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:16,080
>> right?

4600
03:21:16,080 --> 03:21:19,840
>> 950 plus I don't know. I need a total

4601
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:22,720
>> 950. Sorry, it's very

4602
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:25,040
>> No, this this whole thing is to get to

4603
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:26,479
get Mr. toal.

4604
03:21:26,479 --> 03:21:28,239
>> I know. I'm just trying to tell myself,

4605
03:21:28,239 --> 03:21:28,720
but

4606
03:21:28,720 --> 03:21:35,120
>> All right. 950 and 200 is 1 050.

4607
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:38,080
>> Just get them. Yeah. Yeah, you got it.

4608
03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:40,720
>> I honestly think that um the casino

4609
03:21:40,720 --> 03:21:42,239
A3089.

4610
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:44,080
I I I really want to increase that

4611
03:21:44,080 --> 03:21:46,239
revenue.

4612
03:21:46,239 --> 03:21:47,439
>> How much?

4613
03:21:47,439 --> 03:21:49,200
>> Like

4614
03:21:49,200 --> 03:21:53,040
I'm thinking 500,000, but I don't know.

4615
03:21:53,040 --> 03:21:54,960
>> No, no, no. Go ahead. Put it down. This

4616
03:21:54,960 --> 03:21:56,560
is this is where we can start to flow

4617
03:21:56,560 --> 03:21:58,239
the number. That's why I wanted to flush

4618
03:21:58,239 --> 03:21:59,279
it out

4619
03:21:59,279 --> 03:22:01,359
>> and see where where it lands.

4620
03:22:01,359 --> 03:22:03,359
>> I mean, we have a lot of things going on

4621
03:22:03,359 --> 03:22:06,560
in the city. Um, a new hotel coming up

4622
03:22:06,560 --> 03:22:07,920
right there.

4623
03:22:07,920 --> 03:22:09,920
>> Um, the event center. And granted, you

4624
03:22:09,920 --> 03:22:10,960
know, people say they're not going to

4625
03:22:10,960 --> 03:22:12,239
come to the event center, go to the

4626
03:22:12,239 --> 03:22:15,760
casino, but as a casino, go. I agree

4627
03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:16,160
with you.

4628
03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:18,160
>> There's more weddings going on there.

4629
03:22:18,160 --> 03:22:19,840
Uh, anyway,

4630
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:21,359
>> if you don't mind, can you give us the

4631
03:22:21,359 --> 03:22:24,800
eight? I'm going to put that 3089

4632
03:22:24,800 --> 03:22:27,680
>> and that's revenue H is in Henry

4633
03:22:27,680 --> 03:22:29,920
>> H3

4634
03:22:29,920 --> 03:22:33,990
>> A3089H

4635
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:35,359
it's right here

4636
03:22:35,359 --> 03:22:38,640
>> on this page 12 yeah

4637
03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:41,439
>> question when I asked you about that you

4638
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:42,640
said that was something we couldn't

4639
03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:45,359
touch because it was a formula

4640
03:22:45,359 --> 03:22:47,840
so I think everybody needs to hear that

4641
03:22:47,840 --> 03:22:49,359
>> before we try to make

4642
03:22:49,359 --> 03:22:50,560
>> that's what we've been told that we

4643
03:22:50,560 --> 03:22:53,040
can't touch a number formula

4644
03:22:53,040 --> 03:22:54,399
and we touch on that so that there's a

4645
03:22:54,399 --> 03:22:57,200
formula. We don't have a concrete

4646
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:59,600
pattern of saying yes there's a formula

4647
03:22:59,600 --> 03:23:00,080
on that

4648
03:23:00,080 --> 03:23:01,200
>> and that was the question

4649
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:03,920
>> sometimes it goes up it keep going up

4650
03:23:03,920 --> 03:23:05,359
every year

4651
03:23:05,359 --> 03:23:06,880
>> but

4652
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:08,720
yeah so what is what is the basis for it

4653
03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:12,000
changing how is it increasing because I asked that question we get

4654
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:13,200
>> more more uh

4655
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:13,840
>> visitors

4656
03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:15,840
>> more visitors to the casino right now

4657
03:23:15,840 --> 03:23:17,200
the our revenue

4658
03:23:17,200 --> 03:23:19,600
>> more events more hotels

4659
03:23:19,600 --> 03:23:22,239
>> so that means our revenue is based on

4660
03:23:22,239 --> 03:23:24,160
>> what they take in so what is the formula

4661
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:25,680
that means there's a formula. So what is

4662
03:23:25,680 --> 03:23:26,560
it?

4663
03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:28,080
>> So that means we're anticipating more

4664
03:23:28,080 --> 03:23:29,439
people coming

4665
03:23:29,439 --> 03:23:31,200
>> and therefore there's a formula like

4666
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:33,040
instead of having I don't know how many

4667
03:23:33,040 --> 03:23:35,040
people go there 50,000 last year we're

4668
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:36,800
going to have 75,000

4669
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:37,920
>> something that you can follow up with

4670
03:23:37,920 --> 03:23:38,399
us.

4671
03:23:38,399 --> 03:23:41,120
>> Yeah. See if we could uh find

4672
03:23:41,120 --> 03:23:44,239
>> but can I just broken up by

4673
03:23:44,239 --> 03:23:47,590
municipalities

4674
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:50,720
» actually I believe

4675
03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:53,200
and the concessions was that received

4676
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:54,800
the full amount. Yes.

4677
03:23:54,800 --> 03:23:57,120
>> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I

4678
03:23:57,120 --> 03:23:58,640
just want to make sure that

4679
03:23:58,640 --> 03:24:00,479
>> we're basing it on something concrete

4680
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:02,080
where we can get there.

4681
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:03,840
>> So is this time that we can ask a

4682
03:24:03,840 --> 03:24:05,680
question of our commissioner? So my

4683
03:24:05,680 --> 03:24:08,160
question is listening to everything that

4684
03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:12,000
I just heard from my three colleagues.

4685
03:24:12,000 --> 03:24:16,000
>> Why then I I'm going to say so where did

4686
03:24:16,000 --> 03:24:18,960
we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the

4687
03:24:18,960 --> 03:24:21,279
mayor's proposed budget? That was also

4688
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:24,080
based uh via conversations with the

4689
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:25,040
county.

4690
03:24:25,040 --> 03:24:25,439
>> Okay.

4691
03:24:25,439 --> 03:24:28,000
>> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the

4692
03:24:28,000 --> 03:24:28,880
city as well.

4693
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:29,200
>> Okay.

4694
03:24:29,200 --> 03:24:31,279
>> Yeah.

4695
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:32,000
Stack number.

4696
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:33,840
>> Yeah. No, I got all conversations with

4697
03:24:33,840 --> 03:24:34,479
them.

4698
03:24:34,479 --> 03:24:36,960
>> So no offense to the conversations. Can

4699
03:24:36,960 --> 03:24:38,640
we see something in black and white?

4700
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:39,840
>> Okay. Good.

4701
03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:41,840
>> Just carry through your number all the

4702
03:24:41,840 --> 03:24:43,439
numbers there as the proposal.

4703
03:24:43,439 --> 03:24:48,319
>> Okay. And we'll follow up and see where is this formula or where is this

4704
03:24:48,319 --> 03:24:50,800
narrative that's saying that this is our

4705
03:24:50,800 --> 03:24:51,520
money.

4706
03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:54,319
>> I'm going to be very cautious of the um

4707
03:24:54,319 --> 03:24:58,319
CDBG money on A2178

4708
03:24:58,319 --> 03:25:01,040
and a

4709
03:25:01,040 --> 03:25:03,279
Wait a minute. Hold on. I got to go back

4710
03:25:03,279 --> 03:25:03,680
to you.

4711
03:25:03,680 --> 03:25:06,000
>> All because I would like to hear from

4712
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:09,840
Commissioner Farm and and Mr.

4713
03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:12,239
as if they have anything in the pipeline

4714
03:25:12,239 --> 03:25:14,960
going against that type of money.

4715
03:25:14,960 --> 03:25:16,319
>> I don't know.

4716
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:17,680
>> I'm thinking if they have it back in

4717
03:25:17,680 --> 03:25:20,080
2020.

4718
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:22,319
>> Absolutely.

4719
03:25:22,319 --> 03:25:23,967
>> If I may that the director

4720
03:25:23,967 --> 03:25:25,840
[clears throat] was very clear that this

4721
03:25:25,840 --> 03:25:27,120
money is not being brought out. This

4722
03:25:27,120 --> 03:25:28,960
money is available there. It needs to be

4723
03:25:28,960 --> 03:25:31,439
spent by mid next year or next year

4724
03:25:31,439 --> 03:25:34,800
sometime. And if it doesn't, we are

4725
03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:36,640
>> I have no issues with that.

4726
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:39,520
>> The whole idea was to all these invoices

4727
03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:41,120
and then we have nothing for this.

4728
03:25:41,120 --> 03:25:42,560
>> Again, I think that our commissioner

4729
03:25:42,560 --> 03:25:44,800
would be able to kind of tell us that if

4730
03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:47,200
there's unpaid invoices against that

4731
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:48,319
line from

4732
03:25:48,319 --> 03:25:51,200
>> putting it in just like the next

4733
03:25:51,200 --> 03:25:53,040
>> I think in my opinion we got the

4734
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:54,960
information from Miss Parker. However,

4735
03:25:54,960 --> 03:25:57,680
>> if there's invoices Mr. Nuke,

4736
03:25:57,680 --> 03:26:01,429
>> wouldn't it happen?

4737
03:26:01,439 --> 03:26:04,640
» They would be in the system.

4738
03:26:04,640 --> 03:26:05,600
>> We have that report.

4739
03:26:05,600 --> 03:26:07,359
>> Part of that open PL report. Yeah, we

4740
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:09,439
had that report that you gave us.

4741
03:26:09,439 --> 03:26:13,439
>> They would be actual stock as process

4742
03:26:13,439 --> 03:26:17,520
get documents get the documents from

4743
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:19,439
>> you gave us a list of open fields and I

4744
03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:21,200
didn't see any significant amount there

4745
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:22,479
from um

4746
03:26:22,479 --> 03:26:25,040
>> what I'm sensing from this uh Miss Carba

4747
03:26:25,040 --> 03:26:27,040
um

4748
03:26:27,040 --> 03:26:28,720
you know presentation

4749
03:26:28,720 --> 03:26:30,399
>> is that this money was set aside for

4750
03:26:30,399 --> 03:26:31,760
salary and they were supposed to

4751
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:33,840
document every you know every aspect of

4752
03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:38,080
the work. I am thinking that um it's too

4753
03:26:38,080 --> 03:26:39,600
much

4754
03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:41,600
of a work for the department. So they

4755
03:26:41,600 --> 03:26:43,120
decide to draw them directly from the

4756
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:47,920
salary line instead of um yes

4757
03:26:47,920 --> 03:26:51,840
and I will take the recommendation

4758
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:57,510
>> I I haven't

4759
03:26:57,520 --> 03:26:59,040
question

4760
03:26:59,040 --> 03:27:00,800
why they haven't used the money. Is that

4761
03:27:00,800 --> 03:27:03,760
what you're saying? Well, I think they

4762
03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:04,880
have anything they're going to put

4763
03:27:04,880 --> 03:27:05,760
forward

4764
03:27:05,760 --> 03:27:07,120
>> and the open P.

4765
03:27:07,120 --> 03:27:09,840
>> But can this money

4766
03:27:09,840 --> 03:27:12,080
get Can they really spend that far with

4767
03:27:12,080 --> 03:27:12,399
that?

4768
03:27:12,399 --> 03:27:17,120
>> Well, they can if they put invoices in I don't know. It's still money, you

4769
03:27:17,120 --> 03:27:19,279
know, it's still available money before

4770
03:27:19,279 --> 03:27:21,920
it has to be it's

4771
03:27:21,920 --> 03:27:24,479
expensive or the ones that they try to

4772
03:27:24,479 --> 03:27:30,950
spend it against those even

4773
03:27:30,960 --> 03:27:35,670
» the employ

4774
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:36,960
because

4775
03:27:36,960 --> 03:27:39,840
>> we didn't do our our

4776
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:41,760
put in

4777
03:27:41,760 --> 03:27:43,120
you talked me into it. She said she's

4778
03:27:43,120 --> 03:27:44,080
comfortable.

4779
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:45,520
>> She says she's comfortable, but ask the

4780
03:27:45,520 --> 03:27:48,319
question.

4781
03:27:48,319 --> 03:27:50,720
>> I'm sorry, but I I we danced at another

4782
03:27:50,720 --> 03:27:52,399
place. How much are we talking about

4783
03:27:52,399 --> 03:27:54,000
increasing that casino license fee

4784
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,560
behind 500?

4785
03:27:56,560 --> 03:27:59,760
>> All right. [laughter]

4786
03:27:59,760 --> 03:28:01,520
>> No, no. Please, this is this

4787
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:02,960
>> we are kind of going back and forth.

4788
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:04,880
>> This is where we we we need to make

4789
03:28:04,880 --> 03:28:06,720
>> you tell me again what the casino line

4790
03:28:06,720 --> 03:28:08,560
is.

4791
03:28:08,560 --> 03:28:09,120
Mia,

4792
03:28:09,120 --> 03:28:10,479
>> I just realized that I'm going to do the

4793
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:11,439
same thing.

4794
03:28:11,439 --> 03:28:16,960
>> I got a I guess line is on page eight.

4795
03:28:16,960 --> 03:28:19,760
>> Please please please

4796
03:28:19,760 --> 03:28:21,040
trying to write down what she said to

4797
03:28:21,040 --> 03:28:21,279
her.

4798
03:28:21,279 --> 03:28:22,720
>> Well, hold on. She's trying to follow

4799
03:28:22,720 --> 03:28:24,479
along. So, she's asking the page number

4800
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:26,000
so she can get so she can understand

4801
03:28:26,000 --> 03:28:27,920
what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's all

4802
03:28:27,920 --> 03:28:28,880
I'm trying to do is give her the page

4803
03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:30,880
number and I gave her the wrong one. So,

4804
03:28:30,880 --> 03:28:33,760
if you give her the page number

4805
03:28:33,760 --> 03:28:35,760
to call it the the A number

4806
03:28:35,760 --> 03:28:37,520
>> and then we just jump to the page.

4807
03:28:37,520 --> 03:28:39,680
>> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast. But

4808
03:28:39,680 --> 03:28:40,720
>> if we're going to have a site

4809
03:28:40,720 --> 03:28:42,640
conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,

4810
03:28:42,640 --> 03:28:44,080
we're not going to get a new year.

4811
03:28:44,080 --> 03:28:44,479
>> Okay.

4812
03:28:44,479 --> 03:28:48,399
>> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I'm

4813
03:28:48,399 --> 03:28:50,720
definitely thinking of finding $40,000

4814
03:28:50,720 --> 03:28:52,800
somewhere to put it back in the

4815
03:28:52,800 --> 03:28:54,000
>> 1989.

4816
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:56,080
>> Again, like I said,

4817
03:28:56,080 --> 03:28:58,080
>> invaluable $4.99,

4818
03:28:58,080 --> 03:28:59,600
>> you know,

4819
03:28:59,600 --> 03:29:02,479
>> the um Hibernians, you know, I'm sure

4820
03:29:02,479 --> 03:29:06,399
we've been there field trips out. Um,

4821
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:09,200
so, uh, you know, the these people go,

4822
03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:11,120
it's it's they they they get a good

4823
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:12,479
meal. They don't have to worry about

4824
03:29:12,479 --> 03:29:15,040
dinner for like four three, four or five

4825
03:29:15,040 --> 03:29:17,200
dollars. Uh, the rest is funded through

4826
03:29:17,200 --> 03:29:19,520
us and through capital, who runs the

4827
03:29:19,520 --> 03:29:22,560
program outside of the hyper. So, I

4828
03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:24,080
think it's extremely important to have

4829
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:25,600
something for our seniors. At least it's

4830
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:28,560
a little, it can't be like huge, but

4831
03:29:28,560 --> 03:29:30,880
what we'd like to offer them,

4832
03:29:30,880 --> 03:29:33,760
>> yes. Did you um sign anything for 2178

4833
03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:35,600
and 217?

4834
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:38,080
>> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if

4835
03:29:38,080 --> 03:29:39,520
they've already spent taking the money

4836
03:29:39,520 --> 03:29:40,800
out of

4837
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:43,920
>> general fund and spent it but I just

4838
03:29:43,920 --> 03:29:44,960
don't understand

4839
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:47,520
>> and not utilizing the CDB they utilize

4840
03:29:47,520 --> 03:29:48,720
other source of funding

4841
03:29:48,720 --> 03:29:50,319
>> that bothers me but

4842
03:29:50,319 --> 03:29:53,040
>> yes it does. That's what I feel like.

4843
03:29:53,040 --> 03:29:54,800
>> Is it more like this outside here that

4844
03:29:54,800 --> 03:29:55,279
we need to know?

4845
03:29:55,279 --> 03:29:57,040
>> I'm going to have to say

4846
03:29:57,040 --> 03:29:58,160
>> I can't keep up.

4847
03:29:58,160 --> 03:30:00,399
>> Did all the paperwork

4848
03:30:00,399 --> 03:30:02,000
>> and she's not there and no one's doing

4849
03:30:02,000 --> 03:30:03,840
the paperwork and it's all got to be

4850
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:06,479
documented way up there with funding.

4851
03:30:06,479 --> 03:30:09,040
>> The person who retired wonderful.

4852
03:30:09,040 --> 03:30:11,439
>> So I'm done. Who's next? [clears throat]

4853
03:30:11,439 --> 03:30:13,200
>> Who would like um Miss Patrick, would

4854
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:14,319
you like to go?

4855
03:30:14,319 --> 03:30:17,840
>> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm

4856
03:30:17,840 --> 03:30:19,680
going to wait till I get my document on

4857
03:30:19,680 --> 03:30:22,000
Friday back from Mr. Bugamok.

4858
03:30:22,000 --> 03:30:23,439
>> So are we not we're not making no

4859
03:30:23,439 --> 03:30:24,160
recommendation.

4860
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:25,120
>> Do you have anything?

4861
03:30:25,120 --> 03:30:30,000
>> I'd have to go line by line. So please

4862
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:31,840
>> the uh so the allowance for collecting

4863
03:30:31,840 --> 03:30:35,600
taxes you want to keep it the same

4864
03:30:35,600 --> 03:30:37,760
>> cannabis excess tax. What was that? I

4865
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:38,960
missed that one.

4866
03:30:38,960 --> 03:30:44,000
>> Can I keep that the same? No, I hope the

4867
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:46,399
wrong

4868
03:30:46,399 --> 03:30:51,910
I can't find it now.

4869
03:30:51,920 --> 03:30:54,640
» Can she didn't say Dorene didn't say

4870
03:30:54,640 --> 03:30:57,520
>> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I

4871
03:30:57,520 --> 03:30:58,640
didn't touch on canvas.

4872
03:30:58,640 --> 03:31:00,720
>> No, you didn't. Mr. Min said, "Let's put

4873
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:01,760
it at 1 million."

4874
03:31:01,760 --> 03:31:04,160
>> Right. Um

4875
03:31:04,160 --> 03:31:05,040
>> John, she

4876
03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:07,760
>> You're right. Let me see. I I definitely

4877
03:31:07,760 --> 03:31:09,600
since uh year to date, we're almost

4878
03:31:09,600 --> 03:31:11,760
there. So I So I guess I' I'd like to

4879
03:31:11,760 --> 03:31:14,160
add $100,000 a cannabis.

4880
03:31:14,160 --> 03:31:15,279
>> I don't think anymore.

4881
03:31:15,279 --> 03:31:17,439
>> So DD800,000.

4882
03:31:17,439 --> 03:31:18,960
>> A116.

4883
03:31:18,960 --> 03:31:21,600
>> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.

4884
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:28,630
>> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.

4885
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:32,726
I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.

4886
03:31:32,736 --> 03:31:33,600
[laughter]

4887
03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:41,590
>> I don't know how we're going to make a

4888
03:31:41,600 --> 03:31:43,359
Are you Mr.

4889
03:31:43,359 --> 03:31:44,239
>> Yes. Yes.

4890
03:31:44,239 --> 03:31:46,479
>> Okay. Miss Patrick,

4891
03:31:46,479 --> 03:31:49,600
>> I I need to be last because I don't I

4892
03:31:49,600 --> 03:31:50,720
want to hear what everybody else is

4893
03:31:50,720 --> 03:31:52,239
saying. So, Miss Porterfield would be

4894
03:31:52,239 --> 03:31:54,479
next, right?

4895
03:31:54,479 --> 03:31:55,279
>> Going in order.

4896
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:55,920
>> Are you ready?

4897
03:31:55,920 --> 03:31:57,520
>> I called on you to to make any

4898
03:31:57,520 --> 03:31:58,640
recommendation that you have.

4899
03:31:58,640 --> 03:31:59,439
>> I'm not ready to do that.

4900
03:31:59,439 --> 03:32:02,479
>> She's not ready. Morfield is ready.

4901
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:06,132
>> Yes, I am ready.

4902
03:32:06,142 --> 03:32:09,830
[clears throat] I like

4903
03:32:09,840 --> 03:32:14,150
to accept it.

4904
03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:18,870
» Thank you.

4905
03:32:18,880 --> 03:32:20,080
» You have it actually.

4906
03:32:20,080 --> 03:32:23,840
>> I know you got it. I got it.

4907
03:32:23,840 --> 03:32:26,479
>> It looks like Well, I can give you mine

4908
03:32:26,479 --> 03:32:30,870
if you want.

4909
03:32:30,880 --> 03:32:32,880
» So, [clears throat] yes. So, she's

4910
03:32:32,880 --> 03:32:36,080
starting on

4911
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:39,429
>> it.

4912
03:32:39,439 --> 03:32:41,120
» Okay, there we go. I got it.

4913
03:32:41,120 --> 03:32:42,720
>> 1116.

4914
03:32:42,720 --> 03:32:45,600
>> So, I wanted to the line 116. I should

4915
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:47,600
have put the lines in my email. Um, the

4916
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:50,479
cannabis line. I wanted to increase that

4917
03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:52,560
by 100,000

4918
03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:54,640
based on that the opening of new sites

4919
03:32:54,640 --> 03:33:00,000
in 2025. However, now that Mr. um

4920
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:03,279
Mr. Ryan has said that we have two more

4921
03:33:03,279 --> 03:33:04,800
that were approved.

4922
03:33:04,800 --> 03:33:05,279
>> Yeah.

4923
03:33:05,279 --> 03:33:07,200
>> Um I'm willing to go up to another

4924
03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:09,359
50,000 on that. So So to increase that

4925
03:33:09,359 --> 03:33:12,880
by 150,000 line one

4926
03:33:12,880 --> 03:33:14,080
six.

4927
03:33:14,080 --> 03:33:16,319
>> Yep.

4928
03:33:16,319 --> 03:33:18,560
>> Cuz now we have two stores open. All

4929
03:33:18,560 --> 03:33:22,640
right. Um this I apologize when Miss

4930
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:24,720
Carver was here that I didn't I should

4931
03:33:24,720 --> 03:33:26,720
have had it in front of me. Um she

4932
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:29,359
explained to me and Mr. very could you

4933
03:33:29,359 --> 03:33:33,200
tell us what the demolition line is for

4934
03:33:33,200 --> 03:33:35,359
>> it's a contingency but it's

4935
03:33:35,359 --> 03:33:37,120
>> right

4936
03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:39,439
um

4937
03:33:39,439 --> 03:33:42,000
fan but it's under contingency

4938
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:45,520
>> so the $400,000 demo is under that

4939
03:33:45,520 --> 03:33:46,160
>> I'm looking

4940
03:33:46,160 --> 03:33:47,600
>> under contingencies

4941
03:33:47,600 --> 03:33:49,920
>> yes it just see 400,000

4942
03:33:49,920 --> 03:33:54,640
>> right so what say and we didn't do a

4943
03:33:54,640 --> 03:33:56,720
double back there on this but we were

4944
03:33:56,720 --> 03:33:58,000
having that conversation

4945
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:00,768
And she said there is CBBG money

4946
03:34:00,768 --> 03:34:02,960
[clears throat] that is allowed for for

4947
03:34:02,960 --> 03:34:04,720
um

4948
03:34:04,720 --> 03:34:06,560
excuse me for demolition demolition. I

4949
03:34:06,560 --> 03:34:08,160
think she talked about that.

4950
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:12,080
>> Right. So this would be offsetting

4951
03:34:12,080 --> 03:34:14,640
that number by what's available in CDG

4952
03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:17,840
and I again I apologize

4953
03:34:17,840 --> 03:34:20,160
for that question. We need to know what

4954
03:34:20,160 --> 03:34:22,720
that number is and how much would be put

4955
03:34:22,720 --> 03:34:23,680
against the

4956
03:34:23,680 --> 03:34:26,160
>> use the CPPG money that is

4957
03:34:26,160 --> 03:34:28,399
>> Can we have that as a question please?

4958
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:30,560
>> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in

4959
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:35,439
past years um history wise um it's not

4960
03:34:35,439 --> 03:34:37,600
only demolition so many things that come

4961
03:34:37,600 --> 03:34:40,720
up the city is un unforeseen unaware of

4962
03:34:40,720 --> 03:34:42,399
and

4963
03:34:42,399 --> 03:34:46,309
>> so that's why

4964
03:34:46,319 --> 03:34:49,670
so far

4965
03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:51,840
» okay

4966
03:34:51,840 --> 03:34:55,120
that do come depending on

4967
03:34:55,120 --> 03:34:57,040
what happened

4968
03:34:57,040 --> 03:34:59,520
>> so what I think we should look at how

4969
03:34:59,520 --> 03:35:01,359
much we've used the demolition, how much

4970
03:35:01,359 --> 03:35:04,720
it's available and reduce the line by

4971
03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:06,000
because when I know when we were

4972
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:07,680
discussing that line, it was very clear

4973
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:09,840
demolition is the large part of it.

4974
03:35:09,840 --> 03:35:12,319
>> So it's available only otherwise we

4975
03:35:12,319 --> 03:35:14,239
should get it and I'll I guess I can

4976
03:35:14,239 --> 03:35:15,439
text her but she might not want to hear

4977
03:35:15,439 --> 03:35:16,479
from us.

4978
03:35:16,479 --> 03:35:18,880
>> No, we'll follow up with a question.

4979
03:35:18,880 --> 03:35:21,359
Miss Michael, can you please make a site

4980
03:35:21,359 --> 03:35:22,640
number?

4981
03:35:22,640 --> 03:35:24,880
>> It would be good if we knew the number.

4982
03:35:24,880 --> 03:35:27,120
>> We do. It's like

4983
03:35:27,120 --> 03:35:29,600
Mr. Williams put it on to reduce it

4984
03:35:29,600 --> 03:35:32,160
>> 1989 485

4985
03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:34,000
page 30

4986
03:35:34,000 --> 03:35:36,640
>> page 30

4987
03:35:36,640 --> 03:35:38,800
>> right and again J right now we did talk

4988
03:35:38,800 --> 03:35:42,080
about this is $282,5001

4989
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:44,000
so

4990
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:47,910
we have to spend

4991
03:35:47,920 --> 03:35:49,520
» we might [clears throat]

4992
03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:54,070
1989485

4993
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:55,680
» so what do you want that to be

4994
03:35:55,680 --> 03:35:58,000
>> I'm sorry I I want to or Marian I'm

4995
03:35:58,000 --> 03:35:58,880
sorry. Yes.

4996
03:35:58,880 --> 03:36:01,600
>> I wanted to know how much

4997
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:03,439
we have spent. Well, I know how much we

4998
03:36:03,439 --> 03:36:04,880
spent. What I want to know is how much

4999
03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:07,120
was essentially for demolitions use out

5000
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:08,960
of this. How much is available from

5001
03:36:08,960 --> 03:36:10,479
CDBG?

5002
03:36:10,479 --> 03:36:10,960
>> I'm sorry.

5003
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:12,000
>> No, sorry. Go finish.

5004
03:36:12,000 --> 03:36:15,200
>> And how much is available to CDBG and we

5005
03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:16,720
could do reduce that line maybe not

5006
03:36:16,720 --> 03:36:19,120
exactly the amount but to some level of

5007
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:20,479
that because if there's money that we

5008
03:36:20,479 --> 03:36:22,479
can spend from CDBG

5009
03:36:22,479 --> 03:36:24,720
which and and take it out of there, we

5010
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:27,120
want to have it here.

5011
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:29,840
Yeah. Before Before you proceed, Mr.

5012
03:36:29,840 --> 03:36:30,880
Torah has a

5013
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:34,479
>> I did I did have to decrease that,000.

5014
03:36:34,479 --> 03:36:37,120
>> Increase it or decrease that same line.

5015
03:36:37,120 --> 03:36:37,359
>> Yes.

5016
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:41,920
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. I have 300 that 1989

5017
03:36:41,920 --> 03:36:44,160
contingency

5018
03:36:44,160 --> 03:36:45,279
>> down 300,000.

5019
03:36:45,279 --> 03:36:47,040
>> It's on page um 30.

5020
03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:50,319
>> Sorry. So, that is to recommendation.

5021
03:36:50,319 --> 03:36:52,640
Okay. Thank you. So I may depending on

5022
03:36:52,640 --> 03:36:54,399
what ma

5023
03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:59,990
has to say my bloodre

5024
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:03,439
» 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorine

5025
03:37:03,439 --> 03:37:07,120
>> yes back 100

5026
03:37:07,120 --> 03:37:10,399
>> lower by 100

5027
03:37:10,399 --> 03:37:12,685
so for me I would have to see question

5028
03:37:12,685 --> 03:37:14,399
[clears throat] how much is available

5029
03:37:14,399 --> 03:37:15,920
for us to be able to do that

5030
03:37:15,920 --> 03:37:20,389
>> and maybe even

5031
03:37:20,399 --> 03:37:22,560
there's a question going to be emailed

5032
03:37:22,560 --> 03:37:23,920
out from this car.

5033
03:37:23,920 --> 03:37:26,479
>> Right. I don't need to go over what

5034
03:37:26,479 --> 03:37:29,040
other people said. Um but I did want to

5035
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:30,000
um

5036
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:32,399
>> well here, but I wanted to add back. Oh,

5037
03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:33,760
no. That's we're not doing this. We're

5038
03:37:33,760 --> 03:37:36,399
not doing that yet. How much I wanted to

5039
03:37:36,399 --> 03:37:39,680
use the maximum fund balance allow to

5040
03:37:39,680 --> 03:37:42,080
minimize tax increases including I

5041
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:43,439
understand the contracts that may be

5042
03:37:43,439 --> 03:37:45,200
outstanding. So I'd like to know what

5043
03:37:45,200 --> 03:37:47,680
that number would be.

5044
03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:53,590
That's not exact

5045
03:37:53,600 --> 03:37:55,920
6.1 million minus 2 million budget. So

5046
03:37:55,920 --> 03:37:57,520
it's 4.1

5047
03:37:57,520 --> 03:37:59,520
>> and use all that.

5048
03:37:59,520 --> 03:38:00,319
>> I have no idea.

5049
03:38:00,319 --> 03:38:01,840
>> I didn't say all of it. I said the

5050
03:38:01,840 --> 03:38:03,840
maximum. So you said there's

5051
03:38:03,840 --> 03:38:06,160
>> the council used all that. They could

5052
03:38:06,160 --> 03:38:09,680
>> I didn't ask what it says. What it says

5053
03:38:09,680 --> 03:38:13,279
is the maximum when I say maximum fund

5054
03:38:13,279 --> 03:38:15,200
available. Okay. Maybe we should expand

5055
03:38:15,200 --> 03:38:19,040
on that. that doesn't um that we have to

5056
03:38:19,040 --> 03:38:21,840
have like you said 15%. So it gets to

5057
03:38:21,840 --> 03:38:26,080
the 15. What's that number?

5058
03:38:26,080 --> 03:38:28,720
>> 15% of the general operation budget

5059
03:38:28,720 --> 03:38:29,680
would be the number.

5060
03:38:29,680 --> 03:38:33,040
>> So I I would like the number and and

5061
03:38:33,040 --> 03:38:37,279
then you could um subtract out you said

5062
03:38:37,279 --> 03:38:40,399
uh for the 300,000 for one contract

5063
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:42,560
>> and 600 for one.

5064
03:38:42,560 --> 03:38:44,560
>> Well, we should that isn't that an

5065
03:38:44,560 --> 03:38:46,880
executive session kind of things because

5066
03:38:46,880 --> 03:38:48,080
they're still negotiating those

5067
03:38:48,080 --> 03:38:51,279
contracts. Yeah, but we're just general

5068
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:51,600
guess

5069
03:38:51,600 --> 03:38:55,030
>> he said guess

5070
03:38:55,040 --> 03:38:55,840
» I think it's

5071
03:38:55,840 --> 03:38:59,760
>> 15% of the operating 26 for be 18

5072
03:38:59,760 --> 03:39:02,870
million

5073
03:39:02,880 --> 03:39:07,760
» all on 18 million sign that's just 15%

5074
03:39:07,760 --> 03:39:08,319
of it

5075
03:39:08,319 --> 03:39:10,640
>> and all on signs

5076
03:39:10,640 --> 03:39:13,520
>> we have to have 15 million so when's the

5077
03:39:13,520 --> 03:39:15,760
last time we had that?

5078
03:39:15,760 --> 03:39:18,960
>> We had 12 million last year until staff.

5079
03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:21,120
>> So when's the last time we made 18? I

5080
03:39:21,120 --> 03:39:24,560
mean, in one year, I'll just in in 2011,

5081
03:39:24,560 --> 03:39:28,000
the mayor said he had 775,000 and he's

5082
03:39:28,000 --> 03:39:30,080
okay with it. So let's ask him if he's

5083
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:32,560
okay with it again.

5084
03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:36,160
That so it has to all be unsigned. It

5085
03:39:36,160 --> 03:39:37,760
does not not it's not

5086
03:39:37,760 --> 03:39:40,399
>> that's 50% general.

5087
03:39:40,399 --> 03:39:41,279
>> Mhm.

5088
03:39:41,279 --> 03:39:46,469
I think I gave you a packet from

5089
03:39:46,479 --> 03:39:49,120
» uh let's see

5090
03:39:49,120 --> 03:39:52,720
>> um said there's an example of 15%

5091
03:39:52,720 --> 03:39:55,760
>> right and there's also an example there

5092
03:39:55,760 --> 03:39:57,680
that says that um two months of

5093
03:39:57,680 --> 03:40:00,160
expenditure is also what you could base

5094
03:40:00,160 --> 03:40:02,319
it on since we don't have our own policy

5095
03:40:02,319 --> 03:40:04,239
so there's more than one um

5096
03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:10,309
>> I think the low was 5%

5097
03:40:10,319 --> 03:40:13,120
And that's sold there's high over 15%.

5098
03:40:13,120 --> 03:40:15,120
So it fluctuates.

5099
03:40:15,120 --> 03:40:16,640
>> Well, I think we're going to have to use

5100
03:40:16,640 --> 03:40:18,080
more of our fund down. So I'd like to

5101
03:40:18,080 --> 03:40:21,040
see us be able to use what we can to to

5102
03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:22,399
get this through place so we're not

5103
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:25,600
first of all exceeding our tax and also

5104
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:29,120
back. So

5105
03:40:29,120 --> 03:40:32,000
that's I think everything else that I

5106
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:35,920
have um Oh, I did the cannabis right

5107
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:37,040
with Mr.

5108
03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:39,040
>> Yes, you did. You said that

5109
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:42,000
>> increase the cannabis line by 100,000.

5110
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:42,880
>> Something

5111
03:40:42,880 --> 03:40:43,680
>> 150.

5112
03:40:43,680 --> 03:40:44,479
>> Yeah.

5113
03:40:44,479 --> 03:40:45,680
>> Oh, 150.

5114
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:47,920
>> That's that's recommendation.

5115
03:40:47,920 --> 03:40:49,680
>> Um after Mr. O'Brien.

5116
03:40:49,680 --> 03:40:52,479
>> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15

5117
03:40:52,479 --> 03:40:57,190
on my budget.

5118
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,317
Um,

5119
03:40:59,317 --> 03:41:03,510
[snorts]

5120
03:41:03,520 --> 03:41:05,520
» um,

5121
03:41:05,520 --> 03:41:08,000
>> so I think that's it for my for the um

5122
03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:10,399
>> revenue.

5123
03:41:10,399 --> 03:41:13,840
>> The revenue side.

5124
03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:16,640
>> Do you have any any expenditure you want

5125
03:41:16,640 --> 03:41:22,710
to touch on? Yeah.

5126
03:41:22,720 --> 03:41:24,399
» Just going back to fund bounce. Do you

5127
03:41:24,399 --> 03:41:26,640
have a number

5128
03:41:26,640 --> 03:41:28,080
>> over the 2 million that you're looking

5129
03:41:28,080 --> 03:41:30,640
to utilize?

5130
03:41:30,640 --> 03:41:33,359
>> No, I don't have any number. I want to I

5131
03:41:33,359 --> 03:41:34,960
want something to you. What is the

5132
03:41:34,960 --> 03:41:38,960
number that we um

5133
03:41:38,960 --> 03:41:42,880
we can you say have 18 million um would

5134
03:41:42,880 --> 03:41:47,030
be?

5135
03:41:47,040 --> 03:41:54,070
in the package.

5136
03:41:54,080 --> 03:41:57,830
» 15 would be above,

5137
03:41:57,840 --> 03:41:59,600
» right? We don't have a problem. So

5138
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:00,800
that's what I'm saying. We don't have

5139
03:42:00,800 --> 03:42:05,349
policy, right? We don't have a fun.

5140
03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:08,319
Okay. All right. So we're kind of like I

5141
03:42:08,319 --> 03:42:11,120
was saying yes, Mr.

5142
03:42:11,120 --> 03:42:13,920
Um though

5143
03:42:13,920 --> 03:42:15,439
I would like us to not be able to

5144
03:42:15,439 --> 03:42:21,439
increase tax 17%. So I'm

5145
03:42:21,439 --> 03:42:28,630
not supposed to have I don't know.

5146
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:30,000
» What did you say? What did you say?

5147
03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:31,279
>> Somewhat of a question.

5148
03:42:31,279 --> 03:42:34,239
>> That's right. service. So, and and some

5149
03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:35,920
of this for me is going to be based on

5150
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:39,120
how much we can recapture here with all

5151
03:42:39,120 --> 03:42:41,600
the different uh revenue changes that

5152
03:42:41,600 --> 03:42:43,760
we're going to be doing. Then, how much

5153
03:42:43,760 --> 03:42:46,000
we will need out of the funding. So, I

5154
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:48,319
would like to use the maximum

5155
03:42:48,319 --> 03:42:49,520
we have to put these two things

5156
03:42:49,520 --> 03:42:51,840
together. Are you following me so far?

5157
03:42:51,840 --> 03:42:53,359
>> So, we have to put these two things

5158
03:42:53,359 --> 03:42:55,520
together. How much we can increase our

5159
03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:57,279
revenue, which has been some pretty

5160
03:42:57,279 --> 03:43:01,439
significant I think. Um, and then use

5161
03:43:01,439 --> 03:43:04,000
our fund balance to make up for that.

5162
03:43:04,000 --> 03:43:06,080
So, not

5163
03:43:06,080 --> 03:43:07,279
that that's my goal. Let just let

5164
03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:09,279
everybody know that is my goal not to

5165
03:43:09,279 --> 03:43:12,160
exceed the tax cap and to also not have

5166
03:43:12,160 --> 03:43:14,720
a 17% tax increase. I don't want to say

5167
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:16,160
a percentage right now. I'd like it to

5168
03:43:16,160 --> 03:43:19,120
be zero. Don't get don't.

5169
03:43:19,120 --> 03:43:21,359
So I'd like to know what that what

5170
03:43:21,359 --> 03:43:25,910
number would you be comfortable with?

5171
03:43:25,920 --> 03:43:28,319
» Two million.

5172
03:43:28,319 --> 03:43:30,239
>> What what's already the 2 million that's

5173
03:43:30,239 --> 03:43:32,399
already in this budget is what you're

5174
03:43:32,399 --> 03:43:33,359
comfortable with.

5175
03:43:33,359 --> 03:43:34,479
>> That's what Okay.

5176
03:43:34,479 --> 03:43:38,399
>> Okay. So it's not too many. 2 million is

5177
03:43:38,399 --> 03:43:39,359
all we should spend.

5178
03:43:39,359 --> 03:43:40,960
>> Correct.

5179
03:43:40,960 --> 03:43:44,790
>> Okay.

5180
03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:47,439
We don't have a lot left

5181
03:43:47,439 --> 03:43:53,510
balance.

5182
03:43:53,520 --> 03:43:56,319
» So right now

5183
03:43:56,319 --> 03:44:00,800
>> no there's 621 we're utilizing

5184
03:44:00,800 --> 03:44:03,040
homes that would be 4.1 available

5185
03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:05,359
>> depending on union contracts that might

5186
03:44:05,359 --> 03:44:08,479
be drastically changed. Then I said,

5187
03:44:08,479 --> 03:44:13,189
"Okay, number

5188
03:44:13,199 --> 03:44:14,160
three."

5189
03:44:14,160 --> 03:44:15,760
>> No,

5190
03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:18,960
>> plus three plus the one that you already

5191
03:44:18,960 --> 03:44:19,520
in there.

5192
03:44:19,520 --> 03:44:22,000
>> Okay. Wait, don't say I don't have to

5193
03:44:22,000 --> 03:44:22,800
say I do that.

5194
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:25,120
>> So, uh, can you put that in the notes

5195
03:44:25,120 --> 03:44:25,840
also?

5196
03:44:25,840 --> 03:44:26,239
>> Mhm.

5197
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:27,040
>> Yes.

5198
03:44:27,040 --> 03:44:30,960
um plus $1 million

5199
03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:32,000
recommendation

5200
03:44:32,000 --> 03:44:34,800
>> which brings us sort of I know we can't

5201
03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:36,880
calculate it because of the contract two

5202
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:38,560
million that would leave us

5203
03:44:38,560 --> 03:44:40,640
>> 3.1

5204
03:44:40,640 --> 03:44:42,880
>> minus contracts

5205
03:44:42,880 --> 03:44:44,080
>> so say two

5206
03:44:44,080 --> 03:44:45,279
>> oh right

5207
03:44:45,279 --> 03:44:49,429
>> maybe less

5208
03:44:49,439 --> 03:44:50,640
» do you have any more

5209
03:44:50,640 --> 03:44:53,520
>> well that I'll move to u

5210
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:53,920
>> let's see

5211
03:44:53,920 --> 03:44:57,760
>> Mr. Harley and then uh So just to just

5212
03:44:57,760 --> 03:44:59,520
kind of finish up this conversation that

5213
03:44:59,520 --> 03:45:05,830
we all we always email.

5214
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:07,840
So just to finish up on the conversation

5215
03:45:07,840 --> 03:45:09,439
in terms of the fund balance we've been

5216
03:45:09,439 --> 03:45:11,760
hanging out there because my intent is

5217
03:45:11,760 --> 03:45:13,680
that we would do that but we would be

5218
03:45:13,680 --> 03:45:16,720
looking at again our pilots so that we

5219
03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:20,160
can start and raise

5220
03:45:20,160 --> 03:45:22,800
to um and we have two one expiring next

5221
03:45:22,800 --> 03:45:25,760
year two expiring the following year. so

5222
03:45:25,760 --> 03:45:27,600
that we could start um building up on

5223
03:45:27,600 --> 03:45:32,070
Dund.

5224
03:45:32,080 --> 03:45:34,399
» Thank you. So, so yeah, Mr. Letter that

5225
03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:35,680
he did send to us. I think it's

5226
03:45:35,680 --> 03:45:38,239
appropriate that that I read it. Um and

5227
03:45:38,239 --> 03:45:40,880
I do want to make a note that the one

5228
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:43,760
expiring next year for

5229
03:45:43,760 --> 03:45:46,479
uh State Street, what's the address

5230
03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:47,199
there?

5231
03:45:47,199 --> 03:45:47,760
>> Don't

5232
03:45:47,760 --> 03:45:49,040
>> I know. Um

5233
03:45:49,040 --> 03:45:50,399
>> mention that.

5234
03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:52,239
>> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll

5235
03:45:52,239 --> 03:45:56,710
just give you the date. Yes.

5236
03:45:56,720 --> 03:45:58,080
» Um

5237
03:45:58,080 --> 03:46:02,239
>> well the one exper

5238
03:46:02,239 --> 03:46:08,560
26 um that came off with time already

5239
03:46:08,560 --> 03:46:10,160
it came off what it already came off

5240
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:12,800
this year

5241
03:46:12,800 --> 03:46:15,840
then why it came off like it's going to

5242
03:46:15,840 --> 03:46:16,319
come off.

5243
03:46:16,319 --> 03:46:18,560
>> I know it it's already come off.

5244
03:46:18,560 --> 03:46:20,319
>> And how would you know then? Um I

5245
03:46:20,319 --> 03:46:22,479
suppose uh after received his email and

5246
03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:26,479
all these um pilot um things from uh Mr.

5247
03:46:26,479 --> 03:46:28,000
Gillan this morning, which is the first

5248
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:30,479
time that I've got to see them, um I did

5249
03:46:30,479 --> 03:46:37,520
reach out to um our assessor and um uh

5250
03:46:37,520 --> 03:46:42,239
receiver receiver foxes to go over um

5251
03:46:42,239 --> 03:46:44,720
the pilots exactly how they how they

5252
03:46:44,720 --> 03:46:47,439
worked. Each one is is so different.

5253
03:46:47,439 --> 03:46:50,560
Each one is individual. Um some years,

5254
03:46:50,560 --> 03:46:52,160
uh you know, sometimes they start out

5255
03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:54,880
with no taxes and then after three years

5256
03:46:54,880 --> 03:46:57,520
they start paying taxes and they they up

5257
03:46:57,520 --> 03:47:00,000
most of them have to increase 5% until

5258
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:03,279
they um until they're at full rate. But

5259
03:47:03,279 --> 03:47:05,359
>> so let me

5260
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:07,040
see what this is going.

5261
03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:10,239
>> I started talking about how

5262
03:47:10,239 --> 03:47:12,000
I started talking about quite a while

5263
03:47:12,000 --> 03:47:13,520
ago. There was an email sent from which

5264
03:47:13,520 --> 03:47:17,439
we all received and I followed up. I

5265
03:47:17,439 --> 03:47:18,720
made it clear when we started this

5266
03:47:18,720 --> 03:47:20,960
budget prospect that I'm not trying to

5267
03:47:20,960 --> 03:47:24,000
get pilot to to um it's not for this

5268
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:26,880
year's budget but moving forward. So

5269
03:47:26,880 --> 03:47:29,279
there's an implication that there's

5270
03:47:29,279 --> 03:47:31,439
information that you're not receiving. I

5271
03:47:31,439 --> 03:47:32,640
made it clear because I've been talking

5272
03:47:32,640 --> 03:47:34,880
about pilots. I've been talking to I've

5273
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:36,907
been talking to too to

5274
03:47:36,907 --> 03:47:37,680
[cough and clears throat]

5275
03:47:37,680 --> 03:47:40,479
the assessor's office about it. And so

5276
03:47:40,479 --> 03:47:42,399
until I'm ready to proceed where it's

5277
03:47:42,399 --> 03:47:44,000
exactly,

5278
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:46,800
I don't feel like I need to like put

5279
03:47:46,800 --> 03:47:48,319
give it out there. You have it now.

5280
03:47:48,319 --> 03:47:50,479
That's fine because only because people

5281
03:47:50,479 --> 03:47:52,000
asked for it. So this is something that

5282
03:47:52,000 --> 03:47:53,920
I've been working on until we came to a

5283
03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:55,920
final thing and waiting for the other

5284
03:47:55,920 --> 03:47:59,680
information from Miss Maloy. We would

5285
03:47:59,680 --> 03:48:02,640
have gotten we're here now because it

5286
03:48:02,640 --> 03:48:04,800
was asked that Mr. um Gillan come he

5287
03:48:04,800 --> 03:48:06,479
couldn't come and this this information

5288
03:48:06,479 --> 03:48:09,120
came forward. So just to be clear about

5289
03:48:09,120 --> 03:48:12,880
all of that in terms of me not having it

5290
03:48:12,880 --> 03:48:15,040
somebody not having it again. How many

5291
03:48:15,040 --> 03:48:16,720
times have I sat at this table and said

5292
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:18,560
I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for

5293
03:48:18,560 --> 03:48:20,880
information about pilots. So this

5294
03:48:20,880 --> 03:48:23,359
doesn't impact this current budget. It

5295
03:48:23,359 --> 03:48:25,199
impacts going forward in my mind and

5296
03:48:25,199 --> 03:48:26,640
that's what I was working on and looking

5297
03:48:26,640 --> 03:48:28,319
towards. So I just want to make that

5298
03:48:28,319 --> 03:48:29,439
abundantly clear.

5299
03:48:29,439 --> 03:48:30,160
>> All right. Go ahead.

5300
03:48:30,160 --> 03:48:32,239
>> Thank you. That absolutely clear. Um but

5301
03:48:32,239 --> 03:48:34,720
after last night's conversation um I

5302
03:48:34,720 --> 03:48:36,399
thought that maybe there was one pilot

5303
03:48:36,399 --> 03:48:38,479
that might be next to you, but it's

5304
03:48:38,479 --> 03:48:41,120
already that they've already stuff. Mr.

5305
03:48:41,120 --> 03:48:42,960
Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him

5306
03:48:42,960 --> 03:48:45,279
an explanation. Uh good morning. I have

5307
03:48:45,279 --> 03:48:47,040
a metroplex board meeting this evening

5308
03:48:47,040 --> 03:48:49,439
at 5:30 p.m. So, I cannot attend the

5309
03:48:49,439 --> 03:48:51,760
council meeting this evening. We sent

5310
03:48:51,760 --> 03:48:53,760
the council a report of highlights on

5311
03:48:53,760 --> 03:48:56,399
August 4th. We sent an updated report on

5312
03:48:56,399 --> 03:48:58,800
9:24 to Council President Porterfield

5313
03:48:58,800 --> 03:49:00,720
and offered at that time to discuss any

5314
03:49:00,720 --> 03:49:03,359
agreements. I have had no responses from

5315
03:49:03,359 --> 03:49:06,080
any council member to either pilot

5316
03:49:06,080 --> 03:49:08,160
report. Please note that the pilot

5317
03:49:08,160 --> 03:49:10,399
report shows that 25 pilots put

5318
03:49:10,399 --> 03:49:12,880
properties back on the tax roles that

5319
03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:15,680
previously were taxexempt and paid zero

5320
03:49:15,680 --> 03:49:18,640
in taxes. Please note that an additional

5321
03:49:18,640 --> 03:49:21,199
27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or

5322
03:49:21,199 --> 03:49:23,840
sites that paid nominal taxes to

5323
03:49:23,840 --> 03:49:26,560
generate new revenue. One council member

5324
03:49:26,560 --> 03:49:28,479
at your meeting mistakenly said that the

5325
03:49:28,479 --> 03:49:30,319
county attorney is involved in these

5326
03:49:30,319 --> 03:49:32,399
agreements. That is not the case.

5327
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:34,640
There's a formal process that governs

5328
03:49:34,640 --> 03:49:36,880
the adoption of any pilot, including a

5329
03:49:36,880 --> 03:49:39,199
public hearing, public notice, and

5330
03:49:39,199 --> 03:49:40,800
approval at our meetings, which are

5331
03:49:40,800 --> 03:49:42,560
televised and are all open to the

5332
03:49:42,560 --> 03:49:45,040
public. I would be happy to attend any

5333
03:49:45,040 --> 03:49:46,800
future meetings and review any questions

5334
03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:49,359
you have. These agreements have been

5335
03:49:49,359 --> 03:49:52,399
powerful new revenue generators for the

5336
03:49:52,399 --> 03:49:54,880
city, and we are very proud of our role

5337
03:49:54,880 --> 03:49:57,199
in a dramatically improving the city and

5338
03:49:57,199 --> 03:50:00,560
its tax base. Many other metrop projects

5339
03:50:00,560 --> 03:50:02,720
like the casino do not involve pilot

5340
03:50:02,720 --> 03:50:06,000
pilots yet generate millions in revenue

5341
03:50:06,000 --> 03:50:07,920
for the city. When I sent the

5342
03:50:07,920 --> 03:50:09,680
information back in August, I was hoping

5343
03:50:09,680 --> 03:50:11,920
that I might receive some feedback but

5344
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:14,080
have received none to date. I am always

5345
03:50:14,080 --> 03:50:16,319
willing to available to discuss any

5346
03:50:16,319 --> 03:50:21,199
questions read. Um and in in response to

5347
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:23,439
that and speaking with u my assessor

5348
03:50:23,439 --> 03:50:25,760
today um I did find out that a lot of

5349
03:50:25,760 --> 03:50:28,399
these pilots on here especially certain

5350
03:50:28,399 --> 03:50:32,960
kinds of uh pilots given this is I can't

5351
03:50:32,960 --> 03:50:36,560
mention them um are looking for money

5352
03:50:36,560 --> 03:50:39,520
and the money uh the city can't help

5353
03:50:39,520 --> 03:50:42,960
these individual businesses

5354
03:50:42,960 --> 03:50:46,800
um because of a rule called 85b under

5355
03:50:46,800 --> 03:50:49,439
the business off. So anyway, that's why

5356
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:51,600
Metroflex steps into a lot of lot of

5357
03:50:51,600 --> 03:50:54,479
these properties that have a pilot to

5358
03:50:54,479 --> 03:50:56,560
help out the city to increase tax

5359
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:59,120
revenue, housing, and everything else.

5360
03:50:59,120 --> 03:51:01,359
So I just thought that that we needed to

5361
03:51:01,359 --> 03:51:03,840
at least respond to what we all sat here

5362
03:51:03,840 --> 03:51:06,160
last night and talked about um the

5363
03:51:06,160 --> 03:51:07,040
pilot. Yeah.

5364
03:51:07,040 --> 03:51:08,479
>> And and there's more to And so

5365
03:51:08,479 --> 03:51:10,479
furthermore, I and I think I also

5366
03:51:10,479 --> 03:51:12,239
mentioned I was in touch with Miss

5367
03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:14,640
Malroy and she was developing a report

5368
03:51:14,640 --> 03:51:15,760
and she said it was going to take a

5369
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:19,199
while and I you know so I was and I

5370
03:51:19,199 --> 03:51:20,880
talked to Mr. Holdingham since we want

5371
03:51:20,880 --> 03:51:23,120
to discuss all of this. Um I talked to

5372
03:51:23,120 --> 03:51:25,520
Mr. Holdingham and asked about you know

5373
03:51:25,520 --> 03:51:27,920
getting the actual

5374
03:51:27,920 --> 03:51:29,600
um agreements

5375
03:51:29,600 --> 03:51:31,920
>> and she said

5376
03:51:31,920 --> 03:51:34,800
and he said you get that from from Mort.

5377
03:51:34,800 --> 03:51:36,319
So I asked for it. She told me it's

5378
03:51:36,319 --> 03:51:38,080
going to take some time to put together.

5379
03:51:38,080 --> 03:51:40,239
So I'm not going to give like half the

5380
03:51:40,239 --> 03:51:43,439
information like okay or you know and

5381
03:51:43,439 --> 03:51:45,279
not have all the information for me. Say

5382
03:51:45,279 --> 03:51:47,359
it again. I was working on this didn't

5383
03:51:47,359 --> 03:51:50,080
say it and maybe nobody was listening in

5384
03:51:50,080 --> 03:51:52,080
terms of pilots because we need to take

5385
03:51:52,080 --> 03:51:55,439
a look at that. And um if there's

5386
03:51:55,439 --> 03:51:57,840
another report that I received that

5387
03:51:57,840 --> 03:51:59,359
there's something called residential

5388
03:51:59,359 --> 03:52:00,800
pilots. So, I'm not going to like get

5389
03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:03,439
deep into it, but there are pilots where

5390
03:52:03,439 --> 03:52:07,359
people are paying um based on the

5391
03:52:07,359 --> 03:52:10,880
particular um development that the

5392
03:52:10,880 --> 03:52:12,560
person who moves into it and I guess

5393
03:52:12,560 --> 03:52:14,640
they're buying them in these particular

5394
03:52:14,640 --> 03:52:17,120
ones that lowers their taxes. So, I need

5395
03:52:17,120 --> 03:52:18,960
to get some clarity on how that works as

5396
03:52:18,960 --> 03:52:21,359
well. And if you want to ask or feel

5397
03:52:21,359 --> 03:52:23,760
about that, you can. there there are

5398
03:52:23,760 --> 03:52:26,880
people who own or buy these condos that

5399
03:52:26,880 --> 03:52:28,880
are being built and so the pilot passes

5400
03:52:28,880 --> 03:52:31,520
on to individuals like where you are out

5401
03:52:31,520 --> 03:52:34,000
that so I would have to say maybe

5402
03:52:34,000 --> 03:52:35,520
there's no businesses that get it but

5403
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:37,040
there are some residential pilots I'm

5404
03:52:37,040 --> 03:52:39,359
trying to get clarity on how that works

5405
03:52:39,359 --> 03:52:43,030
>> thank you

5406
03:52:43,040 --> 03:52:44,800
» okay

5407
03:52:44,800 --> 03:52:48,035
so far can you recommendation

5408
03:52:48,035 --> 03:52:50,550
[clears throat]

5409
03:52:50,560 --> 03:52:52,080
brief

5410
03:52:52,080 --> 03:52:56,399
Okay. So, first line is stage one 02

5411
03:52:56,399 --> 03:52:59,359
uncollected factors. Um I'm in line with

5412
03:52:59,359 --> 03:53:03,359
Mr. Varian suggestion. Uh reducing that

5413
03:53:03,359 --> 03:53:06,319
850. You said 800,000, right? But I said

5414
03:53:06,319 --> 03:53:07,600
850.

5415
03:53:07,600 --> 03:53:09,680
>> Oh, you said 852

5416
03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:09,920
million.

5417
03:53:09,920 --> 03:53:11,760
>> That's fine. We're close.

5418
03:53:11,760 --> 03:53:12,720
>> Go to 2 million.

5419
03:53:12,720 --> 03:53:13,439
>> Huh?

5420
03:53:13,439 --> 03:53:14,960
>> Yes. Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million

5421
03:53:14,960 --> 03:53:16,640
which would

5422
03:53:16,640 --> 03:53:19,840
>> uh that would show back up in our

5423
03:53:19,840 --> 03:53:23,120
general fund. Okay. Uh, I'm sorry.

5424
03:53:23,120 --> 03:53:28,469
>> Sure. A1 Z3.

5425
03:53:28,479 --> 03:53:30,160
» Oh,

5426
03:53:30,160 --> 03:53:31,600
so it's just that one's kind of weird

5427
03:53:31,600 --> 03:53:33,920
because it's like a reduction. Okay.

5428
03:53:33,920 --> 03:53:37,600
Next line. Uh, A16.

5429
03:53:37,600 --> 03:53:41,120
That's the cannabis tax. Um, based on

5430
03:53:41,120 --> 03:53:44,160
the conversation here, um, I would, uh,

5431
03:53:44,160 --> 03:53:47,120
feel comfortable, uh, adding 150,000 to

5432
03:53:47,120 --> 03:53:50,229
that.

5433
03:53:50,239 --> 03:53:54,229
Um,

5434
03:53:54,239 --> 03:53:57,040
» you know what? Sorry. Well, you you said

5435
03:53:57,040 --> 03:53:58,399
2 million for the first one that you

5436
03:53:58,399 --> 03:53:59,359
were talking about, right? I'm sorry.

5437
03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:00,479
I'm losing track here.

5438
03:54:00,479 --> 03:54:01,279
>> It's okay.

5439
03:54:01,279 --> 03:54:05,279
>> For a 102, you're saying

5440
03:54:05,279 --> 03:54:08,000
>> that we should we should reduce that

5441
03:54:08,000 --> 03:54:09,040
number

5442
03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:10,000
>> to 2 million.

5443
03:54:10,000 --> 03:54:11,040
>> Okay. Thank you. Yep.

5444
03:54:11,040 --> 03:54:11,680
>> I'm sorry.

5445
03:54:11,680 --> 03:54:13,359
>> Which would be a net what would be a

5446
03:54:13,359 --> 03:54:19,030
gain of 850,000.

5447
03:54:19,040 --> 03:54:20,239
» That

5448
03:54:20,239 --> 03:54:22,720
Okay, moving on to cannabis, which is

5449
03:54:22,720 --> 03:54:25,990
A116.

5450
03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:28,720
» I feel comfortable increasing based on

5451
03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:30,960
the conversations here tonight. I I feel

5452
03:54:30,960 --> 03:54:37,910
comfortable basing raising that $150,000

5453
03:54:37,920 --> 03:54:40,239
» 50.

5454
03:54:40,239 --> 03:54:43,120
>> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the

5455
03:54:43,120 --> 03:54:45,920
fines parking. Um and so after the

5456
03:54:45,920 --> 03:54:47,439
presentation

5457
03:54:47,439 --> 03:54:51,279
um I now there's there's a caveat here

5458
03:54:51,279 --> 03:54:53,279
because I think we need to understand I

5459
03:54:53,279 --> 03:54:56,560
need to be clear on if

5460
03:54:56,560 --> 03:54:59,439
um then that is already included in the

5461
03:54:59,439 --> 03:55:02,399
existing budget or not. Um and if it is

5462
03:55:02,399 --> 03:55:07,199
not then I then I $440,000

5463
03:55:07,199 --> 03:55:09,439
based on the formula that's that's

5464
03:55:09,439 --> 03:55:12,080
strictly based on the formula um that uh

5465
03:55:12,080 --> 03:55:14,720
the chief uh talked to us about today.

5466
03:55:14,720 --> 03:55:17,840
>> Um and if not then I would be uh looking

5467
03:55:17,840 --> 03:55:21,040
to increase that 220,000.

5468
03:55:21,040 --> 03:55:23,520
>> May I before you proceed? Mhm.

5469
03:55:23,520 --> 03:55:26,000
>> If you look at the 2025

5470
03:55:26,000 --> 03:55:30,880
estimates on the 26 26

5471
03:55:30,880 --> 03:55:33,040
times parking

5472
03:55:33,040 --> 03:55:34,080
>> 2025,

5473
03:55:34,080 --> 03:55:35,840
>> what page are you on just

5474
03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:39,830
>> page 11? Okay.

5475
03:55:39,840 --> 03:55:42,000
» Page 11

5476
03:55:42,000 --> 03:55:42,960
of our regular budget.

5477
03:55:42,960 --> 03:55:46,640
>> So 2025 we're carrying 910.

5478
03:55:46,640 --> 03:55:49,439
They roll the same number into 2026

5479
03:55:49,439 --> 03:55:51,359
because they did not factor in the new

5480
03:55:51,359 --> 03:55:53,279
program that they're doing.

5481
03:55:53,279 --> 03:55:55,520
This is a new program they just started.

5482
03:55:55,520 --> 03:55:56,880
>> Okay. So, so

5483
03:55:56,880 --> 03:55:58,720
>> that's what my understanding is. So,

5484
03:55:58,720 --> 03:55:59,359
>> sure.

5485
03:55:59,359 --> 03:56:02,960
>> So, the 910 they expect to do the same

5486
03:56:02,960 --> 03:56:04,560
2025

5487
03:56:04,560 --> 03:56:07,840
910 into 2026. But because of this new

5488
03:56:07,840 --> 03:56:09,840
program, it's increasing the revenue.

5489
03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:12,080
>> Sure. So, so

5490
03:56:12,080 --> 03:56:14,479
>> yeah, if you look at you look at two

5491
03:56:14,479 --> 03:56:17,840
2025 and 202. It's absolutely

5492
03:56:17,840 --> 03:56:23,760
>> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.

5493
03:56:23,760 --> 03:56:28,800
>> So I guess my only question then is they gave us

5494
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:32,319
see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based

5495
03:56:32,319 --> 03:56:35,439
on the formula that you gave us that you

5496
03:56:35,439 --> 03:56:38,000
that you've given as well. But they and

5497
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:44,150
they told us that that that

5498
03:56:44,160 --> 03:56:46,800
um that that is what created this

5499
03:56:46,800 --> 03:56:49,600
program that they're doing gave us the

5500
03:56:49,600 --> 03:56:53,359
220,000 to begin with. So if that's the

5501
03:56:53,359 --> 03:56:54,960
case, then I would number I would wonder

5502
03:56:54,960 --> 03:56:56,479
how where they would get that

5503
03:56:56,479 --> 03:56:57,359
information from. You see what I'm

5504
03:56:57,359 --> 03:56:58,319
saying? So in other words, they're

5505
03:56:58,319 --> 03:57:01,439
saying that it's 910 910. But if they

5506
03:57:01,439 --> 03:57:03,600
didn't include it,

5507
03:57:03,600 --> 03:57:05,840
then they were just telling us numbers

5508
03:57:05,840 --> 03:57:07,520
that only they know is what you're

5509
03:57:07,520 --> 03:57:07,840
saying.

5510
03:57:07,840 --> 03:57:09,199
>> That's correct. That's what the sheet

5511
03:57:09,199 --> 03:57:09,760
is.

5512
03:57:09,760 --> 03:57:10,640
>> Okay.

5513
03:57:10,640 --> 03:57:12,239
>> They have an internal proposal of this

5514
03:57:12,239 --> 03:57:13,760
is what they intend certainly to

5515
03:57:13,760 --> 03:57:15,279
increase to increase revenue.

5516
03:57:15,279 --> 03:57:17,760
>> Sir, so for my numbers, I would I would

5517
03:57:17,760 --> 03:57:19,680
agree and based on the formula because

5518
03:57:19,680 --> 03:57:21,439
that's the number I got to up to

5519
03:57:21,439 --> 03:57:23,040
$440,000

5520
03:57:23,040 --> 03:57:29,439
in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in

5521
03:57:29,439 --> 03:57:32,399
half. So you think can just Sure. Keep

5522
03:57:32,399 --> 03:57:35,279
me. So you're saying

5523
03:57:35,279 --> 03:57:40,000
>> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that

5524
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:41,439
what you're saying?

5525
03:57:41,439 --> 03:57:42,640
>> That's what you want to know.

5526
03:57:42,640 --> 03:57:44,239
>> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be

5527
03:57:44,239 --> 03:57:46,640
really clear as to

5528
03:57:46,640 --> 03:57:51,840
if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.

5529
03:57:51,840 --> 03:57:55,680
They're saying that this many um uh

5530
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:59,120
sessions equal $220,000,

5531
03:57:59,120 --> 03:57:59,439
right?

5532
03:57:59,439 --> 03:58:02,080
>> Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,

5533
03:58:02,080 --> 03:58:04,960
that's correct, but that's not reflected

5534
03:58:04,960 --> 03:58:08,080
in in in this existing budget. So, and

5535
03:58:08,080 --> 03:58:10,080
he said, "So, let's double it, which

5536
03:58:10,080 --> 03:58:11,680
would be

5537
03:58:11,680 --> 03:58:13,760
>> which would be 440." However, if it is

5538
03:58:13,760 --> 03:58:16,479
included, then I would say if we double

5539
03:58:16,479 --> 03:58:18,319
it, then it would only then it would uh

5540
03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:21,439
go to 220s, not to 440. So, so my

5541
03:58:21,439 --> 03:58:23,920
contingency is if it's if it's there, if

5542
03:58:23,920 --> 03:58:27,199
it's included and we double it, then add

5543
03:58:27,199 --> 03:58:30,160
220,000. If it's not included, then we

5544
03:58:30,160 --> 03:58:32,319
double it, then add 440,000.

5545
03:58:32,319 --> 03:58:35,279
>> So, do you

5546
03:58:35,279 --> 03:58:37,120
has a different There's been

5547
03:58:37,120 --> 03:58:38,800
>> I could send an email to the chief.

5548
03:58:38,800 --> 03:58:39,199
Okay.

5549
03:58:39,199 --> 03:58:41,279
>> And clarify.

5550
03:58:41,279 --> 03:58:42,399
>> Sure.

5551
03:58:42,399 --> 03:58:44,640
>> Go from there. Simple as

5552
03:58:44,640 --> 03:58:46,319
>> Yeah. So, I just thought the easiest way

5553
03:58:46,319 --> 03:58:47,840
to do it would just give my numbers in

5554
03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:48,239
both case

5555
03:58:48,239 --> 03:58:51,279
>> scenario. I think you're right.

5556
03:58:51,279 --> 03:58:53,760
>> Sure.

5557
03:58:53,760 --> 03:58:57,920
>> Okay. And so then I go um I'm just going

5558
03:58:57,920 --> 03:59:01,359
to go where I'm different at now. Uh for

5559
03:59:01,359 --> 03:59:05,840
our CBDG money. So my understanding is

5560
03:59:05,840 --> 03:59:09,840
200 200k. That's line A1621

5561
03:59:09,840 --> 03:59:12,560
is where we'll be adding that money. So

5562
03:59:12,560 --> 03:59:14,960
when I say adding, we would be adding

5563
03:59:14,960 --> 03:59:16,800
this money to that line. Meaning that

5564
03:59:16,800 --> 03:59:18,319
the money that's in the existing line

5565
03:59:18,319 --> 03:59:20,399
now would go back to our general fund

5566
03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,160
for 200,000.

5567
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:24,000
>> Okay. Are you saying are you

5568
03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:25,199
regularizing? Are you

5569
03:59:25,199 --> 03:59:26,560
>> That sounds like an expense, right?

5570
03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:28,640
>> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be

5571
03:59:28,640 --> 03:59:31,520
clear, um I'm talking about what Miss

5572
03:59:31,520 --> 03:59:33,520
Barber presented with us.

5573
03:59:33,520 --> 03:59:36,239
>> She presented us with uh 200 I believe

5574
03:59:36,239 --> 03:59:39,680
it was $2,000 in one case.

5575
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:40,160
>> Huh?

5576
03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:42,319
>> You said 2,000 for $200,000.

5577
03:59:42,319 --> 03:59:44,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. You And then the next one

5578
03:59:44,080 --> 03:59:47,439
cost $26,000. If if I'm correct,

5579
03:59:47,439 --> 03:59:49,279
>> they were both 200 and 200.

5580
03:59:49,279 --> 03:59:52,399
>> They both one was two

5581
03:59:52,399 --> 03:59:56,469
>> 20.

5582
03:59:56,479 --> 03:59:58,319
So So you give me your reading again

5583
03:59:58,319 --> 03:59:59,040
down there.

5584
03:59:59,040 --> 04:00:01,600
>> First one 2178

5585
04:00:01,600 --> 04:00:03,040
was 22,000.

5586
04:00:03,040 --> 04:00:03,680
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

5587
04:00:03,680 --> 04:00:07,600
>> And the second one a 217 C was 26,000.

5588
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:10,239
>> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So

5589
04:00:10,239 --> 04:00:10,720
>> Okay.

5590
04:00:10,720 --> 04:00:13,520
>> Sure. So, so what I'm s So I'm

5591
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:16,479
suggesting that so that would be I can't

5592
04:00:16,479 --> 04:00:19,120
just we can't just add that to to

5593
04:00:19,120 --> 04:00:21,359
revenue in order for us to access that

5594
04:00:21,359 --> 04:00:26,960
fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000

5595
04:00:26,960 --> 04:00:30,239
into line A1621

5596
04:00:30,239 --> 04:00:32,399
and then the money that's existing in

5597
04:00:32,399 --> 04:00:34,000
that would go back to our our general

5598
04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:36,319
thous.

5599
04:00:36,319 --> 04:00:38,560
It's not A16, but I think it would have

5600
04:00:38,560 --> 04:00:40,319
to

5601
04:00:40,319 --> 04:00:41,199
you have to put it into an

5602
04:00:41,199 --> 04:00:42,960
>> expense.

5603
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:45,760
These revenue lines have announcer

5604
04:00:45,760 --> 04:00:47,199
state.

5605
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:49,359
>> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the

5606
04:00:49,359 --> 04:00:51,359
math cuz she said it had to be in this

5607
04:00:51,359 --> 04:00:52,960
department in order for accesses, but

5608
04:00:52,960 --> 04:00:54,880
that's more operational stuff. So, so I

5609
04:00:54,880 --> 04:00:56,399
would just add those to the line.

5610
04:00:56,399 --> 04:00:59,920
>> You just added to those 217.

5611
04:00:59,920 --> 04:01:02,160
>> Yeah. So, so I would increase the

5612
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:04,800
revenue lines about 202,000. in one case

5613
04:01:04,800 --> 04:01:07,040
and 206,000

5614
04:01:07,040 --> 04:01:08,560
in and up. Right.

5615
04:01:08,560 --> 04:01:11,760
>> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.

5616
04:01:11,760 --> 04:01:12,239
>> Mhm.

5617
04:01:12,239 --> 04:01:14,640
>> And 2170C, I think you're saying

5618
04:01:14,640 --> 04:01:17,120
>> 206. That's correct.

5619
04:01:17,120 --> 04:01:18,880
>> Okay. I just want to write that in my

5620
04:01:18,880 --> 04:01:24,710
paper.

5621
04:01:24,720 --> 04:01:26,160
» Going to move on to the next one.

5622
04:01:26,160 --> 04:01:26,880
>> Yeah, please.

5623
04:01:26,880 --> 04:01:28,399
>> Okay.

5624
04:01:28,399 --> 04:01:29,920
Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a

5625
04:01:29,920 --> 04:01:32,399
little bit. All right.

5626
04:01:32,399 --> 04:01:34,880
Are you put together for us?

5627
04:01:34,880 --> 04:01:41,750
>> I just I just

5628
04:01:41,760 --> 04:01:44,239
I'm just using

5629
04:01:44,239 --> 04:01:46,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a

5630
04:01:46,319 --> 04:01:49,279
>> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done.

5631
04:01:49,279 --> 04:01:50,160
Y

5632
04:01:50,160 --> 04:01:53,760
>> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line

5633
04:01:53,760 --> 04:01:55,600
A3089H

5634
04:01:55,600 --> 04:01:57,920
the casino.

5635
04:01:57,920 --> 04:01:58,560
>> Um

5636
04:01:58,560 --> 04:02:00,950
>> Okay.

5637
04:02:00,960 --> 04:02:03,760
I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.

5638
04:02:03,760 --> 04:02:07,199
Turo and increasing that line. Um she

5639
04:02:07,199 --> 04:02:09,520
had it at 500.

5640
04:02:09,520 --> 04:02:11,199
Is you had that 500, right? I'm just

5641
04:02:11,199 --> 04:02:13,359
saying two. I'm saying 200.

5642
04:02:13,359 --> 04:02:14,160
>> Okay.

5643
04:02:14,160 --> 04:02:14,479
>> Yeah.

5644
04:02:14,479 --> 04:02:15,760
>> Please tell me the line again. I'm

5645
04:02:15,760 --> 04:02:16,000
sorry.

5646
04:02:16,000 --> 04:02:18,479
>> No, no, no. It's all right. It is

5647
04:02:18,479 --> 04:02:20,960
A3089H.

5648
04:02:20,960 --> 04:02:22,160
Right. Did I say that right?

5649
04:02:22,160 --> 04:02:26,560
>> 3089H is 89H. Okay. Okay. You're saying

5650
04:02:26,560 --> 04:02:28,479
what? And I'm saying increase that by

5651
04:02:28,479 --> 04:02:32,229
200,000.

5652
04:02:32,239 --> 04:02:34,239
I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I

5653
04:02:34,239 --> 04:02:35,120
can't quite get there. I

5654
04:02:35,120 --> 04:02:37,439
>> I know. I know. I'm hopeful.

5655
04:02:37,439 --> 04:02:39,920
>> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm

5656
04:02:39,920 --> 04:02:43,040
going to go to uh the sales of houses.

5657
04:02:43,040 --> 04:02:51,510
That is line A2660A.

5658
04:02:51,520 --> 04:02:52,000
» Please.

5659
04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:53,199
>> Okay. I'm I want to make sure

5660
04:02:53,199 --> 04:02:55,359
everybody's there, man. All right. to

5661
04:02:55,359 --> 04:02:57,840
>> we spend more time doing it and usually

5662
04:02:57,840 --> 04:03:00,640
that just pops out of Oh, 2660.

5663
04:03:00,640 --> 04:03:03,600
>> Yes. Okay. Got there. So, I'm I feel

5664
04:03:03,600 --> 04:03:04,800
comfortable increasing that line.

5665
04:03:04,800 --> 04:03:08,550
$500,000.

5666
04:03:08,560 --> 04:03:10,160
» So, okay. 3,500.

5667
04:03:10,160 --> 04:03:12,880
>> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.

5668
04:03:12,880 --> 04:03:14,399
>> $500,000.

5669
04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:18,870
Correct.

5670
04:03:18,880 --> 04:03:20,800
or our

5671
04:03:20,800 --> 04:03:25,670
mortgage tax increase.

5672
04:03:25,680 --> 04:03:27,680
I I so this is I have a question mark

5673
04:03:27,680 --> 04:03:28,960
here

5674
04:03:28,960 --> 04:03:31,680
>> because I I want to get uh Mr. Min could

5675
04:03:31,680 --> 04:03:32,880
you just give me a little bit your

5676
04:03:32,880 --> 04:03:35,680
reasoning on that again.

5677
04:03:35,680 --> 04:03:37,840
Okay, the

5678
04:03:37,840 --> 04:03:39,120
is based on the trend that's happening

5679
04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:44,160
in connectivity. We've seen the house price escalated over the last

5680
04:03:44,160 --> 04:03:47,920
two years that the sale price is far

5681
04:03:47,920 --> 04:03:49,439
higher than 3 years ago.

5682
04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:49,840
>> Absolutely.

5683
04:03:49,840 --> 04:03:51,920
>> So the mortgage is more higher.

5684
04:03:51,920 --> 04:03:54,880
>> So in that case a municipality will

5685
04:03:54,880 --> 04:03:57,040
generate more

5686
04:03:57,040 --> 04:04:00,000
revenue mortgage tax revenue

5687
04:04:00,000 --> 04:04:00,800
>> and [clears throat] that's how I'm

5688
04:04:00,800 --> 04:04:01,600
factoring that.

5689
04:04:01,600 --> 04:04:04,160
>> Sure. So, as the house price keep

5690
04:04:04,160 --> 04:04:06,623
rising, the mortgage keep going up, the

5691
04:04:06,623 --> 04:04:07,920
[clears throat] taxes keep going up for

5692
04:04:07,920 --> 04:04:08,319
us.

5693
04:04:08,319 --> 04:04:09,520
>> That's Yeah, that's what we discussed

5694
04:04:09,520 --> 04:04:11,279
yesterday. Yes.

5695
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:13,520
>> Okay. And I was And now was the two

5696
04:04:13,520 --> 04:04:16,960
properties that are um

5697
04:04:16,960 --> 04:04:18,880
wrapping up soon. The two high value

5698
04:04:18,880 --> 04:04:20,640
properties was that that wasn't

5699
04:04:20,640 --> 04:04:21,520
attributed to that.

5700
04:04:21,520 --> 04:04:22,640
>> That is two different

5701
04:04:22,640 --> 04:04:24,960
>> that was sales because we talked about

5702
04:04:24,960 --> 04:04:25,680
that,

5703
04:04:25,680 --> 04:04:28,080
>> right? But we sure can. Yes. Two

5704
04:04:28,080 --> 04:04:29,920
different house sales.

5705
04:04:29,920 --> 04:04:31,040
>> Absolutely.

5706
04:04:31,040 --> 04:04:32,800
>> Because of why my number went up that

5707
04:04:32,800 --> 04:04:33,120
high.

5708
04:04:33,120 --> 04:04:34,880
>> Oh, no. I know why.

5709
04:04:34,880 --> 04:04:36,560
>> The mayor is looking at Okay, we have

5710
04:04:36,560 --> 04:04:40,080
two big projects that you know happen.

5711
04:04:40,080 --> 04:04:40,479
>> Mhm.

5712
04:04:40,479 --> 04:04:41,359
>> Where that [clears throat] sort of is

5713
04:04:41,359 --> 04:04:42,560
going to happen this year.

5714
04:04:42,560 --> 04:04:45,040
>> So those two more likely roll over into

5715
04:04:45,040 --> 04:04:46,000
next year

5716
04:04:46,000 --> 04:04:47,359
>> and we're looking for high numbers

5717
04:04:47,359 --> 04:04:49,199
there. So you have three million

5718
04:04:49,199 --> 04:04:50,640
>> and they hope they're saying that okay

5719
04:04:50,640 --> 04:04:52,000
it's going to happen this year. It's not

5720
04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:53,600
going to happen. So that money needs to

5721
04:04:53,600 --> 04:04:55,120
roll over into next year. So that's all

5722
04:04:55,120 --> 04:04:56,479
factor 1.5 million.

5723
04:04:56,479 --> 04:04:57,120
>> Yes. So

5724
04:04:57,120 --> 04:04:58,160
>> it's going to happen next year

5725
04:04:58,160 --> 04:04:59,040
>> and that based on

5726
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:00,399
>> because we only have two once more

5727
04:05:00,399 --> 04:05:01,279
connected.

5728
04:05:01,279 --> 04:05:02,960
>> I thought you said 1.4 million but

5729
04:05:02,960 --> 04:05:04,399
you're saying 1.5 million.

5730
04:05:04,399 --> 04:05:06,319
>> Yes. 1.5 million.

5731
04:05:06,319 --> 04:05:08,000
So, so for that line, I just wanted to

5732
04:05:08,000 --> 04:05:10,080
make sure that that um so for that line

5733
04:05:10,080 --> 04:05:12,080
based on what uh Miss Carver was saying

5734
04:05:12,080 --> 04:05:14,399
and I and you know, I figured those two

5735
04:05:14,399 --> 04:05:18,080
property sales going through can uh make

5736
04:05:18,080 --> 04:05:19,520
a huge difference, but being that we're

5737
04:05:19,520 --> 04:05:21,199
not exactly sure where they were fall, I

5738
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:22,800
just felt a little I went a little more

5739
04:05:22,800 --> 04:05:25,120
conservative at 500,000 on that one.

5740
04:05:25,120 --> 04:05:28,560
>> So, so instead of 9508

5741
04:05:28,560 --> 04:05:30,640
Yeah, I just wanted to reference that.

5742
04:05:30,640 --> 04:05:32,080
So, no, that I did something confusing.

5743
04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:32,479
That's fine.

5744
04:05:32,479 --> 04:05:33,520
>> So, go back to your mortgage.

5745
04:05:33,520 --> 04:05:35,920
>> Okay. So, so

5746
04:05:35,920 --> 04:05:38,800
yeah. So, uh, so for a mortgage tax, um,

5747
04:05:38,800 --> 04:05:40,800
I felt comfortable increasing that

5748
04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:43,439
$200,000.

5749
04:05:43,439 --> 04:05:48,080
>> So, that would be, uh, 1

5750
04:05:48,080 --> 04:05:49,920
>> A30005.

5751
04:05:49,920 --> 04:05:53,359
Yes. $200,000.

5752
04:05:53,359 --> 04:05:57,279
>> So, that would be 1.2.

5753
04:05:57,279 --> 04:06:08,389
Right.

5754
04:06:08,399 --> 04:06:14,000
And oh, bus patrol.

5755
04:06:14,000 --> 04:06:17,199
Let make sure I got that line right.

5756
04:06:17,199 --> 04:06:20,560
>> That's That's A2610B,

5757
04:06:20,560 --> 04:06:22,640
right? And

5758
04:06:22,640 --> 04:06:27,199
>> and like Nancy part. Yeah. So,

5759
04:06:27,199 --> 04:06:30,800
being that there's uh $600,000

5760
04:06:30,800 --> 04:06:33,760
out there, I was I felt comfortable um

5761
04:06:33,760 --> 04:06:36,000
in saying agreeing like if we could

5762
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:37,840
collect a third of that, I'm pretty

5763
04:06:37,840 --> 04:06:39,199
confident that just a third of that

5764
04:06:39,199 --> 04:06:41,359
would get us to $200,000. So, that's

5765
04:06:41,359 --> 04:06:44,479
where I was at on that line.

5766
04:06:44,479 --> 04:06:48,960
Increased of $200,000 to 600 le just

5767
04:06:48,960 --> 04:06:51,199
being successful collecting a third of

5768
04:06:51,199 --> 04:06:53,199
that.

5769
04:06:53,199 --> 04:06:54,640
>> Yeah. very conservative.

5770
04:06:54,640 --> 04:06:55,040
>> Huh?

5771
04:06:55,040 --> 04:06:58,630
>> We're very conservative.

5772
04:06:58,640 --> 04:07:02,389
» I say you have money.

5773
04:07:02,399 --> 04:07:05,680
» Okay. I say you want her. All right. And

5774
04:07:05,680 --> 04:07:13,680
um so and the last thing uh as far as

5775
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:15,920
our golf

5776
04:07:15,920 --> 04:07:17,520
listen, I was faster than all of y'all

5777
04:07:17,520 --> 04:07:19,120
by the way. Just so you know. I'm like

5778
04:07:19,120 --> 04:07:21,120
going record time compared to her album.

5779
04:07:21,120 --> 04:07:21,439
So

5780
04:07:21,439 --> 04:07:22,479
>> no more.

5781
04:07:22,479 --> 04:07:24,000
>> Okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All

5782
04:07:24,000 --> 04:07:28,399
right. Didn't All right. So, so uh the

5783
04:07:28,399 --> 04:07:31,279
so our golf our golf reserve which is

5784
04:07:31,279 --> 04:07:33,040
CR9950

5785
04:07:33,040 --> 04:07:35,359
for the golf reserve there. Could you

5786
04:07:35,359 --> 04:07:36,960
help me understand that again? Because I

5787
04:07:36,960 --> 04:07:39,439
want to make sure that I'm understanding

5788
04:07:39,439 --> 04:07:42,000
that because what I see is I was

5789
04:07:42,000 --> 04:07:48,880
suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into

5790
04:07:48,880 --> 04:07:52,000
the the capital fund but for the golf

5791
04:07:52,000 --> 04:07:53,439
course particularly that's how I

5792
04:07:53,439 --> 04:07:55,840
understand that.

5793
04:07:55,840 --> 04:08:00,710
I'm looking at revenue I believe.

5794
04:08:00,720 --> 04:08:03,120
» Are you looking at the transfer from

5795
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:04,880
>> have to do is there have to some

5796
04:08:04,880 --> 04:08:09,750
increase the golf fun

5797
04:08:09,760 --> 04:08:14,399
which they usually um capital and then

5798
04:08:14,399 --> 04:08:17,359
Chris in January. So they have to figure

5799
04:08:17,359 --> 04:08:20,720
out what's $150,000 increase and you go

5800
04:08:20,720 --> 04:08:23,120
to your expense line that transfers to

5801
04:08:23,120 --> 04:08:25,359
the trans

5802
04:08:25,359 --> 04:08:26,479
by 150.

5803
04:08:26,479 --> 04:08:29,680
>> Mhm. [clears throat] So yeah, cuz cuz

5804
04:08:29,680 --> 04:08:32,479
right now it says let me see where

5805
04:08:32,479 --> 04:08:33,920
>> Let me make sure I'm I'm in the right

5806
04:08:33,920 --> 04:08:36,080
place here. [clears throat]

5807
04:08:36,080 --> 04:08:37,040
>> Trying to find it.

5808
04:08:37,040 --> 04:08:38,640
>> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.

5809
04:08:38,640 --> 04:08:39,439
So

5810
04:08:39,439 --> 04:08:45,110
>> that has the golf

5811
04:08:45,120 --> 04:08:47,040
under.

5812
04:08:47,040 --> 04:08:50,720
>> Yeah. Page 90 is the transfers for golf.

5813
04:08:50,720 --> 04:08:57,520
>> Right. So if you look at the bottom of page 90

5814
04:08:57,520 --> 04:09:01,840
>> right where it says I'm looking at

5815
04:09:01,840 --> 04:09:04,080
>> transfer to capital fund.

5816
04:09:04,080 --> 04:09:11,840
>> So in 2023 it was 213,000. It would be the uh general fund looking

5817
04:09:11,840 --> 04:09:12,880
for youth.

5818
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:14,560
>> No no no no no use is covered.

5819
04:09:14,560 --> 04:09:17,600
>> You're maybe

5820
04:09:17,600 --> 04:09:20,950
CR990191

5821
04:09:20,960 --> 04:09:23,760
general fun.

5822
04:09:23,760 --> 04:09:26,239
>> Yes. Yes it is. Yes it is. So listen. So

5823
04:09:26,239 --> 04:09:28,399
let me follow my train of thought if you

5824
04:09:28,399 --> 04:09:30,720
care for a second. So what I'm saying is

5825
04:09:30,720 --> 04:09:32,239
that

5826
04:09:32,239 --> 04:09:37,590
on line CR9950498

5827
04:09:37,600 --> 04:09:40,640
that says transfer to capital fund. Now

5828
04:09:40,640 --> 04:09:42,640
when it when we say transfer to capital

5829
04:09:42,640 --> 04:09:45,279
fund that's transfer to the golf course

5830
04:09:45,279 --> 04:09:47,199
capital fund correct or is that the city

5831
04:09:47,199 --> 04:09:47,439
that

5832
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:49,920
>> that goes into the office? So it's the

5833
04:09:49,920 --> 04:09:50,640
reserves

5834
04:09:50,640 --> 04:09:52,640
>> the reserves for

5835
04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:55,040
>> for the golf course

5836
04:09:55,040 --> 04:09:55,520
you

5837
04:09:55,520 --> 04:09:57,120
>> overall overall.

5838
04:09:57,120 --> 04:09:59,520
>> It's not just for the golf course. Yes.

5839
04:09:59,520 --> 04:10:00,720
It's just for the golf course,

5840
04:10:00,720 --> 04:10:02,319
>> right? It's just for the golf course.

5841
04:10:02,319 --> 04:10:04,640
>> We can't use We can't use capital money

5842
04:10:04,640 --> 04:10:05,439
for youth.

5843
04:10:05,439 --> 04:10:06,880
>> No, no, no. Yes, we can. No, no, no.

5844
04:10:06,880 --> 04:10:08,800
You're not what I'm saying. So, no, no.

5845
04:10:08,800 --> 04:10:11,199
What this how I understand it that there

5846
04:10:11,199 --> 04:10:14,960
is a reserve fund or a a capital fund.

5847
04:10:14,960 --> 04:10:16,800
So, in other words, a portion of

5848
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:19,120
revenues that the golf course makes,

5849
04:10:19,120 --> 04:10:21,199
they take that money and put it into a

5850
04:10:21,199 --> 04:10:23,840
line for their only their specific

5851
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:26,880
capital fund. Correct. So, so we

5852
04:10:26,880 --> 04:10:28,960
>> can access that money.

5853
04:10:28,960 --> 04:10:29,279
>> Sure.

5854
04:10:29,279 --> 04:10:30,880
>> The reason why we can't use other

5855
04:10:30,880 --> 04:10:32,880
capital fund money is because we borrow

5856
04:10:32,880 --> 04:10:35,439
that money to do capital projects.

5857
04:10:35,439 --> 04:10:37,120
>> This is money that's coming into the

5858
04:10:37,120 --> 04:10:38,800
city that is earmarked for the golf

5859
04:10:38,800 --> 04:10:40,319
courses capital fund.

5860
04:10:40,319 --> 04:10:42,319
>> So, what capital fund would you do with

5861
04:10:42,319 --> 04:10:43,359
that money?

5862
04:10:43,359 --> 04:10:46,160
>> So, what I'm suggesting is that if we if

5863
04:10:46,160 --> 04:10:49,439
we look at it in two in in 2023 it was

5864
04:10:49,439 --> 04:10:51,199
213,000

5865
04:10:51,199 --> 04:10:54,720
2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying

5866
04:10:54,720 --> 04:10:59,680
that 150,000 that I think that that's a

5867
04:10:59,680 --> 04:11:01,120
fair

5868
04:11:01,120 --> 04:11:02,319
>> but it's capital.

5869
04:11:02,319 --> 04:11:05,760
>> No, you're No, you're No, you're wrong.

5870
04:11:05,760 --> 04:11:07,600
>> No, you're it's not.

5871
04:11:07,600 --> 04:11:09,439
>> I hear you. It's general fund money, but

5872
04:11:09,439 --> 04:11:10,880
it's capital fun. No, it's not. It

5873
04:11:10,880 --> 04:11:12,560
doesn't become capital until they spend

5874
04:11:12,560 --> 04:11:13,680
it on their own.

5875
04:11:13,680 --> 04:11:17,520
>> It's not. So what they're doing,

5876
04:11:17,520 --> 04:11:22,560
please finish. Let please. So, so I, so

5877
04:11:22,560 --> 04:11:24,319
I think the fact that mayor, I think the

5878
04:11:24,319 --> 04:11:26,160
fact that it says transfer to capital

5879
04:11:26,160 --> 04:11:28,000
fund is kind of what might be throwing

5880
04:11:28,000 --> 04:11:28,399
you off.

5881
04:11:28,399 --> 04:11:29,600
>> It's not throwing it off at all because

5882
04:11:29,600 --> 04:11:31,359
I see the transfer to the general fund.

5883
04:11:31,359 --> 04:11:32,479
>> Exactly. That's right.

5884
04:11:32,479 --> 04:11:34,399
>> From the Gulf, right? That's from Gul.

5885
04:11:34,399 --> 04:11:35,600
>> Okay. All right. So, all right. Is it

5886
04:11:35,600 --> 04:11:35,920
not?

5887
04:11:35,920 --> 04:11:38,560
>> Yes, it is. So, so listen to what I'm

5888
04:11:38,560 --> 04:11:40,560
saying. I'm going to use a hypothetical

5889
04:11:40,560 --> 04:11:42,080
number here just so the math is a lot

5890
04:11:42,080 --> 04:11:45,439
easier. Okay. Say the Say that the golf

5891
04:11:45,439 --> 04:11:50,160
course makes $200,000 in revenue.

5892
04:11:50,160 --> 04:11:53,840
$100,000 of that revenue goes into our

5893
04:11:53,840 --> 04:11:55,920
general fund is what is is the line

5894
04:11:55,920 --> 04:11:57,279
you're talking about.

5895
04:11:57,279 --> 04:11:59,920
>> Then the golf course takes another the

5896
04:11:59,920 --> 04:12:02,560
other $100,000 and transfer that into

5897
04:12:02,560 --> 04:12:05,439
their own capital of the fund

5898
04:12:05,439 --> 04:12:08,880
>> which actually could be money that goes

5899
04:12:08,880 --> 04:12:12,239
into the general fund. This is not

5900
04:12:12,239 --> 04:12:13,439
>> Are you follow You see what I'm saying

5901
04:12:13,439 --> 04:12:14,239
now?

5902
04:12:14,239 --> 04:12:18,000
>> Yeah. That's what's happens right there.

5903
04:12:18,000 --> 04:12:19,359
I have I have a question for the

5904
04:12:19,359 --> 04:12:21,840
commissioner because

5905
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:24,239
>> historically the c the golf fund has

5906
04:12:24,239 --> 04:12:26,479
always been for lack of a better term a

5907
04:12:26,479 --> 04:12:29,920
lock box. It goes way back because you

5908
04:12:29,920 --> 04:12:32,080
know of improvements that needed to be

5909
04:12:32,080 --> 04:12:33,920
done they weren't done and they wanted

5910
04:12:33,920 --> 04:12:36,874
to create a dedicated funding stream so

5911
04:12:36,874 --> 04:12:38,160
[clears throat]

5912
04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:40,239
any you know the fees of the golf course

5913
04:12:40,239 --> 04:12:42,720
would be generated to deal with golf

5914
04:12:42,720 --> 04:12:44,800
course improvements and maintenance.

5915
04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:48,720
>> Yes. Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is

5916
04:12:48,720 --> 04:12:50,720
the golf fund transferring money to the

5917
04:12:50,720 --> 04:12:52,399
general fund?

5918
04:12:52,399 --> 04:12:55,040
>> And every year, every year there's a

5919
04:12:55,040 --> 04:12:57,279
certain amount that we transfer over to

5920
04:12:57,279 --> 04:13:01,040
the golf to the general store um to see

5921
04:13:01,040 --> 04:13:03,760
the budget.

5922
04:13:03,760 --> 04:13:05,680
>> A certain amount of capital fund money

5923
04:13:05,680 --> 04:13:09,199
so we don't end up borrowing for capital

5924
04:13:09,199 --> 04:13:11,520
projects that

5925
04:13:11,520 --> 04:13:14,800
we mark a certain amount. So we don't

5926
04:13:14,800 --> 04:13:16,560
suggest dipping into that.

5927
04:13:16,560 --> 04:13:19,359
>> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the

5928
04:13:19,359 --> 04:13:21,439
restrictions when we when we're talking

5929
04:13:21,439 --> 04:13:23,600
about capital money in any other place

5930
04:13:23,600 --> 04:13:26,159
in this budget, those are funds that we

5931
04:13:26,159 --> 04:13:28,800
cannot that we have very tight

5932
04:13:28,800 --> 04:13:31,439
restrictions that we have,

5933
04:13:31,439 --> 04:13:37,359
right? That's law. This capital money is

5934
04:13:37,359 --> 04:13:39,600
only capital money because we're calling

5935
04:13:39,600 --> 04:13:41,840
it capital money, but it really could go

5936
04:13:41,840 --> 04:13:43,840
into the general fund.

5937
04:13:43,840 --> 04:13:45,680
right or wrong. Can I ask a question

5938
04:13:45,680 --> 04:13:48,080
because my understanding has always been

5939
04:13:48,080 --> 04:13:49,439
for all the years that I've been on

5940
04:13:49,439 --> 04:13:53,439
doing this that that is what we're doing

5941
04:13:53,439 --> 04:13:56,080
on page

5942
04:13:56,080 --> 04:14:04,710
>> 90

5943
04:14:04,720 --> 04:14:07,600
more about this than I think anyone

5944
04:14:07,600 --> 04:14:08,319
he just

5945
04:14:08,319 --> 04:14:10,960
>> I just have one question that's all

5946
04:14:10,960 --> 04:14:13,120
>> I just want to ask this one question

5947
04:14:13,120 --> 04:14:14,159
because But

5948
04:14:14,159 --> 04:14:17,040
>> I thought if you look at page 90

5949
04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:18,479
>> I am

5950
04:14:18,479 --> 04:14:20,239
>> I thought that the transfer to the

5951
04:14:20,239 --> 04:14:21,840
general fund, the transfer to the water

5952
04:14:21,840 --> 04:14:23,600
fund and the transfer to the sewer fund

5953
04:14:23,600 --> 04:14:25,840
is coming from golf fund.

5954
04:14:25,840 --> 04:14:26,800
>> It is.

5955
04:14:26,800 --> 04:14:28,640
>> Yes. So we already are taking the golf

5956
04:14:28,640 --> 04:14:31,279
money and putting it into those three

5957
04:14:31,279 --> 04:14:33,680
funds. And if you look also we're not

5958
04:14:33,680 --> 04:14:35,680
taking any money and putting it into a

5959
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:38,479
capital fund for this year. Go ahead.

5960
04:14:38,479 --> 04:14:40,159
>> No, it just because we don't know we are

5961
04:14:40,159 --> 04:14:41,600
going to take money put into a capital

5962
04:14:41,600 --> 04:14:41,920
fund.

5963
04:14:41,920 --> 04:14:42,880
>> Well, because we don't have the funding.

5964
04:14:42,880 --> 04:14:44,640
just don't have the money.

5965
04:14:44,640 --> 04:14:46,159
>> They don't know if we're going to have a

5966
04:14:46,159 --> 04:14:46,880
surplus,

5967
04:14:46,880 --> 04:14:47,439
>> right?

5968
04:14:47,439 --> 04:14:49,120
>> That's right.

5969
04:14:49,120 --> 04:14:52,239
That's why you see a budget amount of

5970
04:14:52,239 --> 04:14:53,840
adopted for 2021.

5971
04:14:53,840 --> 04:14:56,239
>> Correct.

5972
04:14:56,239 --> 04:14:58,239
Commissioner, the transfer to the water

5973
04:14:58,239 --> 04:15:01,199
and sewer fund is because the facility

5974
04:15:01,199 --> 04:15:03,359
uses water for sewer. Correct. So

5975
04:15:03,359 --> 04:15:05,439
therefore, it's representing the pay as

5976
04:15:05,439 --> 04:15:08,479
you go.

5977
04:15:08,479 --> 04:15:09,600
So that's what comes you're getting

5978
04:15:09,600 --> 04:15:12,399
those transfers not just for bookkeeping

5979
04:15:12,399 --> 04:15:15,279
purposes. It's representing the use.

5980
04:15:15,279 --> 04:15:15,760
>> Correct.

5981
04:15:15,760 --> 04:15:19,920
>> So the capital fund transfer is the

5982
04:15:19,920 --> 04:15:22,080
money that will be used for capital

5983
04:15:22,080 --> 04:15:24,239
project

5984
04:15:24,239 --> 04:15:25,840
at at the golf course.

5985
04:15:25,840 --> 04:15:26,560
>> Yes.

5986
04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:29,520
>> So that is that money has been generated

5987
04:15:29,520 --> 04:15:33,920
from the fees of of golfers. Right.

5988
04:15:33,920 --> 04:15:36,239
>> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping

5989
04:15:36,239 --> 04:15:38,560
with the lockbox mentality, why the very

5990
04:15:38,560 --> 04:15:41,040
fact that we have a separate line items

5991
04:15:41,040 --> 04:15:42,479
for the golf

5992
04:15:42,479 --> 04:15:44,720
>> has to be kept separate. Is that is that

5993
04:15:44,720 --> 04:15:45,840
>> No, it does not happen.

5994
04:15:45,840 --> 04:15:47,680
>> Is that from No,

5995
04:15:47,680 --> 04:15:49,840
>> from my understanding through years past

5996
04:15:49,840 --> 04:15:51,199
that's how it's always been done.

5997
04:15:51,199 --> 04:15:52,479
>> I'm not asking how it's always been

5998
04:15:52,479 --> 04:15:54,319
done. I'm asking is that do we are we

5999
04:15:54,319 --> 04:15:56,319
legally obligated to do it that way?

6000
04:15:56,319 --> 04:15:59,680
>> And I you know have to I don't have to I

6001
04:15:59,680 --> 04:16:01,120
can't even answer right now. I have to

6002
04:16:01,120 --> 04:16:02,080
look at

6003
04:16:02,080 --> 04:16:03,040
>> He wants to talk.

6004
04:16:03,040 --> 04:16:04,960
>> Yeah. I'm going to have to take a look.

6005
04:16:04,960 --> 04:16:07,439
You know, it's the gospel and what

6006
04:16:07,439 --> 04:16:11,040
created it was very it's in our code. I

6007
04:16:11,040 --> 04:16:14,640
think the commissioner got

6008
04:16:14,640 --> 04:16:17,439
but the idea is it was a lock box for

6009
04:16:17,439 --> 04:16:20,479
capital improvements because it was

6010
04:16:20,479 --> 04:16:22,000
under the the golf course force was

6011
04:16:22,000 --> 04:16:26,239
going in a certain negative direction

6012
04:16:26,239 --> 04:16:28,880
and that that was way the council at the

6013
04:16:28,880 --> 04:16:31,840
time wanted to go and create a fund for

6014
04:16:31,840 --> 04:16:34,080
separate from the general fund. So, can

6015
04:16:34,080 --> 04:16:35,840
I ask one question about the more you're

6016
04:16:35,840 --> 04:16:37,359
trying to get? Is there a reason that

6017
04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:39,120
you wouldn't look at the transfer to the

6018
04:16:39,120 --> 04:16:41,439
general fund for that money?

6019
04:16:41,439 --> 04:16:43,680
>> Because the transfer to the general fund

6020
04:16:43,680 --> 04:16:45,520
for that money is already in the general

6021
04:16:45,520 --> 04:16:47,920
fund. Sorry, there

6022
04:16:47,920 --> 04:16:49,520
>> he's looking for more money.

6023
04:16:49,520 --> 04:16:52,000
>> So, in other words, of course, I

6024
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:53,680
>> No, no, I know not.

6025
04:16:53,680 --> 04:16:55,520
>> We all are, right? Don't we just do that

6026
04:16:55,520 --> 04:16:58,000
or am I missing something? We all said

6027
04:16:58,000 --> 04:16:59,840
move. But, Right. So, that's what I'm

6028
04:16:59,840 --> 04:17:01,680
doing. and then have the golf course

6029
04:17:01,680 --> 04:17:04,319
borrow the capital instead of funding

6030
04:17:04,319 --> 04:17:04,960
their own

6031
04:17:04,960 --> 04:17:06,880
>> if or No, no, no. I understand what

6032
04:17:06,880 --> 04:17:07,359
you're saying. Or

6033
04:17:07,359 --> 04:17:08,319
>> but that's what you're getting at.

6034
04:17:08,319 --> 04:17:11,199
>> Or or maybe 76,000 more.

6035
04:17:11,199 --> 04:17:13,760
>> Or maybe we just recognize that we just

6036
04:17:13,760 --> 04:17:16,239
invested $3 million of ARPA fund into

6037
04:17:16,239 --> 04:17:18,880
the golf course just last year. And

6038
04:17:18,880 --> 04:17:21,520
recognizing that we put three $3 million

6039
04:17:21,520 --> 04:17:24,080
into the golf course fund that there is

6040
04:17:24,080 --> 04:17:27,279
no lockbox fund. We're calling this

6041
04:17:27,279 --> 04:17:29,760
capital funds, but these but these funds

6042
04:17:29,760 --> 04:17:31,920
are not under the same restrictions that

6043
04:17:31,920 --> 04:17:33,520
other capital funds are because we're

6044
04:17:33,520 --> 04:17:35,120
borrowing capital funds for capital

6045
04:17:35,120 --> 04:17:38,720
projects. This is city revenue that that

6046
04:17:38,720 --> 04:17:41,840
we're holding aside for capital projects

6047
04:17:41,840 --> 04:17:44,479
uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm

6048
04:17:44,479 --> 04:17:46,159
saying that we just put $3 million in

6049
04:17:46,159 --> 04:17:47,359
the golf course and this is not the year

6050
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:50,159
to be doing that.

6051
04:17:50,159 --> 04:17:52,588
>> I understand Mr. I think I think I think

6052
04:17:52,588 --> 04:17:53,680
[clears throat] the description needs to

6053
04:17:53,680 --> 04:17:55,680
be changed because that is revenue that

6054
04:17:55,680 --> 04:17:57,120
is coming in from the Gulf Coast.

6055
04:17:57,120 --> 04:17:57,600
>> Thank you.

6056
04:17:57,600 --> 04:17:59,840
>> And they're trying to hold that money.

6057
04:17:59,840 --> 04:18:04,000
The surplus is being used to help with

6058
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:06,960
projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's

6059
04:18:06,960 --> 04:18:08,080
revenue.

6060
04:18:08,080 --> 04:18:09,040
>> Exactly.

6061
04:18:09,040 --> 04:18:12,560
>> Like back out expenditure surplus. They

6062
04:18:12,560 --> 04:18:15,120
hold it in there for future project.

6063
04:18:15,120 --> 04:18:16,800
>> That is not capital. It should be

6064
04:18:16,800 --> 04:18:18,880
capital project. It's for capital

6065
04:18:18,880 --> 04:18:20,080
project. But it's not capital.

6066
04:18:20,080 --> 04:18:22,239
>> But it's not capital money. Exactly.

6067
04:18:22,239 --> 04:18:25,120
>> So let's So that description needs to be

6068
04:18:25,120 --> 04:18:25,680
changed.

6069
04:18:25,680 --> 04:18:27,439
>> Well, they they they've been using it

6070
04:18:27,439 --> 04:18:30,080
for capital. What I'm saying the same

6071
04:18:30,080 --> 04:18:31,920
way that Mr. Williams is suggesting that

6072
04:18:31,920 --> 04:18:34,399
we're not borrowing all of this money

6073
04:18:34,399 --> 04:18:36,720
for capital projects in other places

6074
04:18:36,720 --> 04:18:38,640
because that's going to impact the city.

6075
04:18:38,640 --> 04:18:41,439
What I'm saying is that this is a fund

6076
04:18:41,439 --> 04:18:45,279
that has been called something and

6077
04:18:45,279 --> 04:18:48,319
operating something other than what I

6078
04:18:48,319 --> 04:18:50,399
believe it is to Mr. Mood very

6079
04:18:50,399 --> 04:18:51,600
importance. But I'm saying that this is

6080
04:18:51,600 --> 04:18:54,000
money that's accessible to us. We and

6081
04:18:54,000 --> 04:18:55,680
being that I don't think that that's a

6082
04:18:55,680 --> 04:18:58,640
tall order. We just it is. Absolutely it

6083
04:18:58,640 --> 04:18:58,880
is.

6084
04:18:58,880 --> 04:19:00,159
>> But we're not going to use it. We're not

6085
04:19:00,159 --> 04:19:00,720
touching it.

6086
04:19:00,720 --> 04:19:02,319
>> Well, I think we should.

6087
04:19:02,319 --> 04:19:04,159
>> I just And you got to stay away from

6088
04:19:04,159 --> 04:19:06,080
giving them 3 million because we handed

6089
04:19:06,080 --> 04:19:08,319
out a lot of ARPA money. But no, I'm not

6090
04:19:08,319 --> 04:19:10,560
talking about anything back from people.

6091
04:19:10,560 --> 04:19:12,159
>> Of course we are. The whole point of us

6092
04:19:12,159 --> 04:19:14,479
investing into the golf golf course.

6093
04:19:14,479 --> 04:19:17,040
>> Well, to increase revenue

6094
04:19:17,040 --> 04:19:19,439
so we get right. So when we need revenue

6095
04:19:19,439 --> 04:19:22,000
>> back into the

6096
04:19:22,000 --> 04:19:24,479
So are we are we are we not going to

6097
04:19:24,479 --> 04:19:25,439
talk about each other?

6098
04:19:25,439 --> 04:19:29,439
>> No. No. So I raise my hand. Please

6099
04:19:29,439 --> 04:19:31,600
hold on. Finish off your finish off your

6100
04:19:31,600 --> 04:19:34,800
presentation, please. Please. You

6101
04:19:34,800 --> 04:19:35,199
finished?

6102
04:19:35,199 --> 04:19:37,279
>> I'm done.

6103
04:19:37,279 --> 04:19:39,520
No, but you had

6104
04:19:39,520 --> 04:19:40,800
>> Can I just add something to your

6105
04:19:40,800 --> 04:19:41,439
presentation?

6106
04:19:41,439 --> 04:19:42,399
>> Sure. I'm

6107
04:19:42,399 --> 04:19:44,880
>> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,

6108
04:19:44,880 --> 04:19:46,479
he was and we were he was talking about

6109
04:19:46,479 --> 04:19:48,080
different ways. He came up with a

6110
04:19:48,080 --> 04:19:50,239
scenario where they would do uh any bank

6111
04:19:50,239 --> 04:19:51,920
or something to raise that extra money,

6112
04:19:51,920 --> 04:19:54,720
charge people whatever is a whole

6113
04:19:54,720 --> 04:19:58,800
>> or how sporet

6114
04:19:58,800 --> 04:20:01,199
have that money definitely dedicated to

6115
04:20:01,199 --> 04:20:03,840
the service program. So I just want to

6116
04:20:03,840 --> 04:20:05,040
just bring that back to the

6117
04:20:05,040 --> 04:20:07,040
conversation. Sure. There was he did

6118
04:20:07,040 --> 04:20:09,840
introduce a possibility of a way to get

6119
04:20:09,840 --> 04:20:11,120
done what you're trying to get done,

6120
04:20:11,120 --> 04:20:13,359
which is I guess another 150, right?

6121
04:20:13,359 --> 04:20:15,680
>> No, I'm not. No, I'm not. What I'm

6122
04:20:15,680 --> 04:20:17,520
trying to what I'm trying to increase

6123
04:20:17,520 --> 04:20:19,680
revenues. What I'm saying is that we

6124
04:20:19,680 --> 04:20:21,600
found the money for the youth program.

6125
04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:23,840
We still have to find money well for

6126
04:20:23,840 --> 04:20:27,920
multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the

6127
04:20:27,920 --> 04:20:29,920
general fund can support the senior

6128
04:20:29,920 --> 04:20:32,479
program and the rest of the money can go

6129
04:20:32,479 --> 04:20:35,359
back into the general fund to support

6130
04:20:35,359 --> 04:20:41,439
other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we

6131
04:20:41,439 --> 04:20:44,640
did invest $3 million into the into the

6132
04:20:44,640 --> 04:20:47,840
golf course is because it's supposed to

6133
04:20:47,840 --> 04:20:52,479
generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that

6134
04:20:52,479 --> 04:20:56,399
is all is being earmarked for things and

6135
04:20:56,399 --> 04:20:58,159
it's acting like it's restricted in this

6136
04:20:58,159 --> 04:21:00,000
lock box. But there is no lock box for

6137
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:01,600
this money. This is city money and we

6138
04:21:01,600 --> 04:21:03,359
should have access to it and put it into

6139
04:21:03,359 --> 04:21:04,880
our budget as we see fit.

6140
04:21:04,880 --> 04:21:06,640
>> It is not restricted.

6141
04:21:06,640 --> 04:21:08,080
>> This is not guaranteed though. That's

6142
04:21:08,080 --> 04:21:09,040
why it's not

6143
04:21:09,040 --> 04:21:11,040
>> my my number of account.

6144
04:21:11,040 --> 04:21:14,399
>> Sure. my my number 150,000 is based on

6145
04:21:14,399 --> 04:21:16,000
the last two years of reporting where

6146
04:21:16,000 --> 04:21:19,439
one was 213 213,000 and then last year

6147
04:21:19,439 --> 04:21:22,479
was 160,000. So that's how I justify my

6148
04:21:22,479 --> 04:21:23,680
150,000.

6149
04:21:23,680 --> 04:21:25,199
>> What what they've been is doing over the

6150
04:21:25,199 --> 04:21:27,199
year is the surplus. They hold on to the

6151
04:21:27,199 --> 04:21:28,960
surplus to help with their project

6152
04:21:28,960 --> 04:21:31,279
within the golf course. So it's more of

6153
04:21:31,279 --> 04:21:32,880
money there to kind of like carry them

6154
04:21:32,880 --> 04:21:35,040
on into doing different projects. Yeah.

6155
04:21:35,040 --> 04:21:36,239
But um

6156
04:21:36,239 --> 04:21:37,279
>> I know what they

6157
04:21:37,279 --> 04:21:39,680
>> It's uh it can be used for any other

6158
04:21:39,680 --> 04:21:40,479
purpose,

6159
04:21:40,479 --> 04:21:42,080
>> right? That's what I'm saying.

6160
04:21:42,080 --> 04:21:43,120
>> Mr. Farley is saying

6161
04:21:43,120 --> 04:21:44,880
>> and what I'm saying

6162
04:21:44,880 --> 04:21:46,319
>> and I'm saying being that we are

6163
04:21:46,319 --> 04:21:48,319
>> correct. Being that we just invested $3

6164
04:21:48,319 --> 04:21:49,920
million in that

6165
04:21:49,920 --> 04:21:52,800
>> into that golf course, $150,000 coming

6166
04:21:52,800 --> 04:21:54,560
back into city revenue should not be a

6167
04:21:54,560 --> 04:21:56,880
problem. All right, I'm done.

6168
04:21:56,880 --> 04:22:00,800
>> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.

6169
04:22:00,800 --> 04:22:03,680
The reason we put $3 million into the

6170
04:22:03,680 --> 04:22:06,880
golf course was because

6171
04:22:06,880 --> 04:22:09,040
the golf course is one of the true

6172
04:22:09,040 --> 04:22:12,640
revenue drivers. It makes money. Every

6173
04:22:12,640 --> 04:22:15,439
year we increase the fees that we charge

6174
04:22:15,439 --> 04:22:17,760
to people who come and use the golf

6175
04:22:17,760 --> 04:22:19,520
course. And I also want to always say

6176
04:22:19,520 --> 04:22:21,279
I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf

6177
04:22:21,279 --> 04:22:22,880
course, but I am chair of help and

6178
04:22:22,880 --> 04:22:25,359
recreation. So, I do look at all the

6179
04:22:25,359 --> 04:22:29,439
parks and the golf course in my work as

6180
04:22:29,439 --> 04:22:31,600
a city council person. So, what I've

6181
04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:33,920
learned over the years, it is a revenue

6182
04:22:33,920 --> 04:22:37,120
driver. If I just want to remind you, if

6183
04:22:37,120 --> 04:22:40,560
we didn't put that revenue back into the

6184
04:22:40,560 --> 04:22:43,279
golf course, we would have to find that

6185
04:22:43,279 --> 04:22:45,760
we would have to find money to pay the

6186
04:22:45,760 --> 04:22:48,319
expenses for all the maintenance and

6187
04:22:48,319 --> 04:22:49,840
improvements to the golf course every

6188
04:22:49,840 --> 04:22:51,920
year. So the golf course is

6189
04:22:51,920 --> 04:22:53,520
self-generating

6190
04:22:53,520 --> 04:22:57,760
what it then uses to maintain its golf

6191
04:22:57,760 --> 04:23:00,800
course. Our golf course is widely

6192
04:23:00,800 --> 04:23:03,279
recognized throughout the capital region

6193
04:23:03,279 --> 04:23:05,199
from people who are members of like

6194
04:23:05,199 --> 04:23:07,600
private clubs where they play a zillion

6195
04:23:07,600 --> 04:23:09,920
dollars to be in these private clubs as

6196
04:23:09,920 --> 04:23:11,840
one of the jewels of the city of

6197
04:23:11,840 --> 04:23:14,399
Skenctity. We're we're were recognized

6198
04:23:14,399 --> 04:23:16,800
because of things like Central Park and

6199
04:23:16,800 --> 04:23:18,880
how fabulous all the options at Central

6200
04:23:18,880 --> 04:23:21,279
Park are. how fabulous our golf course

6201
04:23:21,279 --> 04:23:24,960
is. So, I would argue against using golf

6202
04:23:24,960 --> 04:23:27,680
money for anything but the continued

6203
04:23:27,680 --> 04:23:29,439
maintenance and improvements of the golf

6204
04:23:29,439 --> 04:23:31,760
course and the $3 million in ARPA

6205
04:23:31,760 --> 04:23:34,239
funding that we used. I just want to

6206
04:23:34,239 --> 04:23:37,120
remind everybody that for years we've

6207
04:23:37,120 --> 04:23:40,479
had a manual system where they literally

6208
04:23:40,479 --> 04:23:44,399
had to go around and turn spiggots in

6209
04:23:44,399 --> 04:23:48,960
order to irrigate the golf course when

6210
04:23:48,960 --> 04:23:51,600
the $3 million paid for a

6211
04:23:51,600 --> 04:23:54,239
state-of-the-art irrigation system that

6212
04:23:54,239 --> 04:23:56,640
now, like many things in our lives, can

6213
04:23:56,640 --> 04:23:59,840
be controlled even by a phone um to

6214
04:23:59,840 --> 04:24:01,840
irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd

6215
04:24:01,840 --> 04:24:04,239
have staffing. You'd have all sorts of

6216
04:24:04,239 --> 04:24:05,920
other things that you would have to do

6217
04:24:05,920 --> 04:24:08,720
in order to maintain the pristine nature

6218
04:24:08,720 --> 04:24:10,720
of the golf course for which we also

6219
04:24:10,720 --> 04:24:13,439
charge residents and non-residents to

6220
04:24:13,439 --> 04:24:17,120
play golf. Um, so I would not touch and

6221
04:24:17,120 --> 04:24:21,359
we already use money for other unless

6222
04:24:21,359 --> 04:24:22,880
I'm reading this wrong or have been

6223
04:24:22,880 --> 04:24:24,239
reading it wrong for five and a half

6224
04:24:24,239 --> 04:24:28,080
years. Um, we use money from the golf

6225
04:24:28,080 --> 04:24:30,319
course into other funds.

6226
04:24:30,319 --> 04:24:31,680
>> Yeah. But you're you are reading it

6227
04:24:31,680 --> 04:24:35,439
wrong because we use money for the other funds.

6228
04:24:35,439 --> 04:24:38,000
>> Because we using water, right? So

6229
04:24:38,000 --> 04:24:41,312
>> as Mr. Can we allow one to talk,

6230
04:24:41,312 --> 04:24:42,080
[clears throat] please?

6231
04:24:42,080 --> 04:24:44,800
>> Yes, I was finishing my

6232
04:24:44,800 --> 04:24:46,800
>> I thought she was responding to me. So I

6233
04:24:46,800 --> 04:24:49,840
was responding to her. Sorry,

6234
04:24:49,840 --> 04:24:52,560
>> before before you um cooperation

6235
04:24:52,560 --> 04:24:55,439
council, let me let [clears throat] me

6236
04:24:55,439 --> 04:24:59,279
go back into the into the golf and

6237
04:24:59,279 --> 04:25:03,680
you're saying that um the golf course is

6238
04:25:03,680 --> 04:25:06,159
generating revenue.

6239
04:25:06,159 --> 04:25:09,040
The golf course is generating enough

6240
04:25:09,040 --> 04:25:12,399
revenue to sustain themselves.

6241
04:25:12,399 --> 04:25:12,880
>> I said

6242
04:25:12,880 --> 04:25:14,560
>> they're not generating revenue to bring

6243
04:25:14,560 --> 04:25:15,840
into the general fund.

6244
04:25:15,840 --> 04:25:16,880
>> I I think I said that.

6245
04:25:16,880 --> 04:25:18,640
>> No, no.

6246
04:25:18,640 --> 04:25:20,000
self was self- sustaining.

6247
04:25:20,000 --> 04:25:22,800
>> So they are not they are not the what

6248
04:25:22,800 --> 04:25:24,720
we're trying to say okay we generate

6249
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:26,239
millions of dollars in revenue and we're

6250
04:25:26,239 --> 04:25:28,800
putting it in the BMR fund they are

6251
04:25:28,800 --> 04:25:30,960
generating enough money to keep them

6252
04:25:30,960 --> 04:25:32,080
afloat.

6253
04:25:32,080 --> 04:25:33,120
>> Yes.

6254
04:25:33,120 --> 04:25:34,239
>> I was wrong with my last

6255
04:25:34,239 --> 04:25:36,000
>> so I Yes. So I want to clarify that

6256
04:25:36,000 --> 04:25:37,359
because if you look at the revenue

6257
04:25:37,359 --> 04:25:39,840
there's nothing else coming into the

6258
04:25:39,840 --> 04:25:42,229
general fund to say that we make 2002

6259
04:25:42,229 --> 04:25:44,880
[clears throat] $200,000 $300,000 and

6260
04:25:44,880 --> 04:25:46,479
we're putting that into general fund and

6261
04:25:46,479 --> 04:25:48,800
then we can say oh there's a surplus and

6262
04:25:48,800 --> 04:25:50,399
here goes general fund take this

6263
04:25:50,399 --> 04:25:52,399
$250,000.

6264
04:25:52,399 --> 04:25:56,560
This course is sustaining itself based

6265
04:25:56,560 --> 04:25:59,520
on expenditure and revenue. whatever

6266
04:25:59,520 --> 04:26:02,159
surplus they receive get every year

6267
04:26:02,159 --> 04:26:04,000
remain to that department to help them

6268
04:26:04,000 --> 04:26:06,560
with projects. So they they break they

6269
04:26:06,560 --> 04:26:08,960
break even on this project on this golf

6270
04:26:08,960 --> 04:26:09,439
course,

6271
04:26:09,439 --> 04:26:09,760
>> right?

6272
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:12,000
>> So there's no excessive revenue. So when

6273
04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:14,800
we use the term that they're generating

6274
04:26:14,800 --> 04:26:17,040
revenue, they're generating revenue from

6275
04:26:17,040 --> 04:26:18,319
being paid themselves.

6276
04:26:18,319 --> 04:26:18,720
>> Okay,

6277
04:26:18,720 --> 04:26:20,960
>> I want to clarify that because that

6278
04:26:20,960 --> 04:26:22,800
perception out there that all the golf

6279
04:26:22,800 --> 04:26:23,920
course are bringing in millions of

6280
04:26:23,920 --> 04:26:24,640
dollars and

6281
04:26:24,640 --> 04:26:25,920
>> they are bringing in money to help

6282
04:26:25,920 --> 04:26:26,479
themselves

6283
04:26:26,479 --> 04:26:29,439
>> and the money that I'm talking about

6284
04:26:29,439 --> 04:26:31,359
The money that I'm ident that I have

6285
04:26:31,359 --> 04:26:33,760
identified isn't even money to keep them

6286
04:26:33,760 --> 04:26:35,760
up and running. That's money that they

6287
04:26:35,760 --> 04:26:37,920
use for future capital projects. And I'm

6288
04:26:37,920 --> 04:26:39,439
saying in in the budget that we're

6289
04:26:39,439 --> 04:26:41,520
facing after investing $3 million,

6290
04:26:41,520 --> 04:26:43,359
that's money that can be put to better

6291
04:26:43,359 --> 04:26:45,840
use to them. and Mr.

6292
04:26:45,840 --> 04:26:48,159
We're gonna have to uh we I mean the

6293
04:26:48,159 --> 04:26:50,399
finance department in legal are going to

6294
04:26:50,399 --> 04:26:53,359
have to see whether that's legally poss

6295
04:26:53,359 --> 04:26:55,439
legally possible for you know pursuing

6296
04:26:55,439 --> 04:26:58,319
to the code and uh as well as how that

6297
04:26:58,319 --> 04:27:00,880
fund was created fiscally.

6298
04:27:00,880 --> 04:27:04,239
>> Yes, please.

6299
04:27:04,239 --> 04:27:06,319
>> Um so Mr.

6300
04:27:06,319 --> 04:27:08,720
>> Yes, please. And and so I agree with

6301
04:27:08,720 --> 04:27:10,159
that because part of the reason that

6302
04:27:10,159 --> 04:27:13,600
you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um

6303
04:27:13,600 --> 04:27:16,399
I don't know the in this particular

6304
04:27:16,399 --> 04:27:17,680
legislation, but the reason they're

6305
04:27:17,680 --> 04:27:20,399
broken out in the budget in the um

6306
04:27:20,399 --> 04:27:21,840
budget like that is they're supposed to

6307
04:27:21,840 --> 04:27:23,199
be able to sustain yourself. So you're

6308
04:27:23,199 --> 04:27:25,120
supposed to whatever you take in is what

6309
04:27:25,120 --> 04:27:27,840
you need to pay out to do that. So, I

6310
04:27:27,840 --> 04:27:31,279
don't know the um the or the um

6311
04:27:31,279 --> 04:27:33,439
ordinance that was made to promote golf

6312
04:27:33,439 --> 04:27:35,520
fund, but it may speak specifically to

6313
04:27:35,520 --> 04:27:37,600
that to say that. So, that's what

6314
04:27:37,600 --> 04:27:39,520
they're going to look to. And that's why

6315
04:27:39,520 --> 04:27:41,279
which is also why I'm just throwing in

6316
04:27:41,279 --> 04:27:42,800
here now. We should really be doing the

6317
04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:44,239
same with waste because we're only

6318
04:27:44,239 --> 04:27:46,800
supposed to expend waste what we pay in.

6319
04:27:46,800 --> 04:27:48,880
So, that is why that is like that. So,

6320
04:27:48,880 --> 04:27:52,720
there may be there may be um the

6321
04:27:52,720 --> 04:27:54,560
organizing document for for the golf

6322
04:27:54,560 --> 04:27:56,880
course that says we can't do that. I

6323
04:27:56,880 --> 04:27:58,720
think we have to look at it and make

6324
04:27:58,720 --> 04:27:59,199
sure

6325
04:27:59,199 --> 04:28:00,720
>> that's why the partnership council is

6326
04:28:00,720 --> 04:28:02,080
making a recommendation they will look

6327
04:28:02,080 --> 04:28:04,319
into it and get back to us in terms of

6328
04:28:04,319 --> 04:28:05,920
can we do this

6329
04:28:05,920 --> 04:28:06,960
>> can we not do it

6330
04:28:06,960 --> 04:28:09,840
>> but I guess my point is that if there's

6331
04:28:09,840 --> 04:28:12,159
think if there's documents saying that

6332
04:28:12,159 --> 04:28:15,840
we can't do that we can certainly

6333
04:28:15,840 --> 04:28:17,760
overturn that and do that as this

6334
04:28:17,760 --> 04:28:19,600
council is what I'm saying that's within

6335
04:28:19,600 --> 04:28:22,479
our perview to do that

6336
04:28:22,479 --> 04:28:24,080
>> I don't know the answer to that I do

6337
04:28:24,080 --> 04:28:29,110
this. Yes.

6338
04:28:29,120 --> 04:28:32,000
» I'm not I'm not gonna be

6339
04:28:32,000 --> 04:28:35,439
>> limitations. We can't do that.

6340
04:28:35,439 --> 04:28:36,080
>> This

6341
04:28:36,080 --> 04:28:36,960
>> Yes, absolutely.

6342
04:28:36,960 --> 04:28:40,239
>> No, no. Take appearance. It takes all

6343
04:28:40,239 --> 04:28:40,960
that stuff.

6344
04:28:40,960 --> 04:28:44,479
>> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have

6345
04:28:44,479 --> 04:28:45,279
for the best?

6346
04:28:45,279 --> 04:28:48,479
>> I'm I'm I'm just going to do revenue.

6347
04:28:48,479 --> 04:28:51,279
>> Yeah, I'm done with revenue. That's it.

6348
04:28:51,279 --> 04:28:52,800
Uh

6349
04:28:52,800 --> 04:28:56,080
please um the email from uh Oh, I did

6350
04:28:56,080 --> 04:28:58,319
email my expenditure stuff. I just

6351
04:28:58,319 --> 04:29:00,319
>> Oh, so thank you.

6352
04:29:00,319 --> 04:29:02,560
>> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I

6353
04:29:02,560 --> 04:29:04,399
didn't to respect time. I didn't want to

6354
04:29:04,399 --> 04:29:06,159
so we I'll just be really quick and I

6355
04:29:06,159 --> 04:29:07,760
said that I was saying that we should do

6356
04:29:07,760 --> 04:29:14,479
a 3% raise across for all management. Um

6357
04:29:14,479 --> 04:29:18,080
and we should not have any uh stipens.

6358
04:29:18,080 --> 04:29:20,560
And I think that we should have uh a

6359
04:29:20,560 --> 04:29:23,520
free a citywide $10,000 pot of money for

6360
04:29:23,520 --> 04:29:26,800
people when they are in at our most um

6361
04:29:26,800 --> 04:29:28,880
extreme circumstances where they have to

6362
04:29:28,880 --> 04:29:31,120
stay late or come in that that money

6363
04:29:31,120 --> 04:29:33,199
should be drawn out of that $10,000

6364
04:29:33,199 --> 04:29:36,159
pocket and that should be for um

6365
04:29:36,159 --> 04:29:38,080
essentially citywide. Everyone else

6366
04:29:38,080 --> 04:29:40,640
that's non-contractual needs to you know

6367
04:29:40,640 --> 04:29:42,880
kind of manage their manage their time

6368
04:29:42,880 --> 04:29:44,960
and flex their time. Um but I don't

6369
04:29:44,960 --> 04:29:46,720
agree with not giving any raises which

6370
04:29:46,720 --> 04:29:48,399
why I'm saying. I think the fairest

6371
04:29:48,399 --> 04:29:51,199
thing to do would be a 3% flat raise

6372
04:29:51,199 --> 04:29:53,760
because that's really to stay afront of

6373
04:29:53,760 --> 04:29:55,359
inflation and the way things are going

6374
04:29:55,359 --> 04:29:57,040
right now if we don't do that it

6375
04:29:57,040 --> 04:29:59,040
wouldn't be it would almost be like a

6376
04:29:59,040 --> 04:30:01,199
pay reduction because of the where

6377
04:30:01,199 --> 04:30:04,880
inflation is right now that 3% is is

6378
04:30:04,880 --> 04:30:06,239
the three things you have there can you

6379
04:30:06,239 --> 04:30:08,560
please go one by one a little um so they

6380
04:30:08,560 --> 04:30:13,279
capture you talked about um um typing

6381
04:30:13,279 --> 04:30:15,600
>> yes so what so in email what I said is

6382
04:30:15,600 --> 04:30:18,880
that we have So if you look through this

6383
04:30:18,880 --> 04:30:20,880
didn't need an exact budget line because

6384
04:30:20,880 --> 04:30:23,279
it's across departments that and there's

6385
04:30:23,279 --> 04:30:26,239
different raises where there's 8% 12%

6386
04:30:26,239 --> 04:30:28,560
for varying reasons that we all heard.

6387
04:30:28,560 --> 04:30:30,479
>> What I'm saying is that non-contractual

6388
04:30:30,479 --> 04:30:32,640
meaning that we are not contractually

6389
04:30:32,640 --> 04:30:35,279
obligated to give anyone more than 3%.

6390
04:30:35,279 --> 04:30:38,080
Then everyone across should get a 3%

6391
04:30:38,080 --> 04:30:41,600
raise. Um so everyone gets you know the

6392
04:30:41,600 --> 04:30:44,159
same thing that's that we're that we're

6393
04:30:44,159 --> 04:30:48,000
allowed to do and And

6394
04:30:48,000 --> 04:30:51,920
so that should uh increase uh uh revenue

6395
04:30:51,920 --> 04:30:54,960
right there and as well that should uh

6396
04:30:54,960 --> 04:30:57,600
decrease expenditures I should say.

6397
04:30:57,600 --> 04:31:01,120
>> And also um the stipens and out of grade

6398
04:31:01,120 --> 04:31:03,680
paid anything that's non-contractual I

6399
04:31:03,680 --> 04:31:06,000
think needs to come back in as well.

6400
04:31:06,000 --> 04:31:07,040
>> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure

6401
04:31:07,040 --> 04:31:08,399
we capture that. So you want to have a

6402
04:31:08,399 --> 04:31:10,800
stipen if it's not contractual you want

6403
04:31:10,800 --> 04:31:11,920
to remove.

6404
04:31:11,920 --> 04:31:15,279
>> Yes. and then had a single which I was

6405
04:31:15,279 --> 04:31:16,800
>> two there two stipens I think

6406
04:31:16,800 --> 04:31:18,960
>> and like out agreed pick anything that's

6407
04:31:18,960 --> 04:31:21,120
like a stipen or you're going to be here

6408
04:31:21,120 --> 04:31:22,560
later I think that

6409
04:31:22,560 --> 04:31:23,760
>> when I was looking through the budget

6410
04:31:23,760 --> 04:31:25,439
they're I I know that they're not the

6411
04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:27,600
exact same thing but they're but they're

6412
04:31:27,600 --> 04:31:28,560
described

6413
04:31:28,560 --> 04:31:29,920
>> differently but I think they're

6414
04:31:29,920 --> 04:31:31,199
relatively similar

6415
04:31:31,199 --> 04:31:33,760
>> and then you're asking to create a a

6416
04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:36,080
>> a single single line for

6417
04:31:36,080 --> 04:31:39,199
>> maybe 10,000 and yeah for the for the

6418
04:31:39,199 --> 04:31:40,479
and maybe it needs to be a little more

6419
04:31:40,479 --> 04:31:42,399
than that but just for those people who

6420
04:31:42,399 --> 04:31:44,640
are like this is an absolute emergency.

6421
04:31:44,640 --> 04:31:46,880
You have to come in here to save the

6422
04:31:46,880 --> 04:31:48,720
city. So you put your cape on at 2

6423
04:31:48,720 --> 04:31:50,080
o'clock in the morning. Yeah, we need to

6424
04:31:50,080 --> 04:31:51,279
have some money there for that. But it

6425
04:31:51,279 --> 04:31:52,560
should only happen in those very extreme

6426
04:31:52,560 --> 04:31:53,040
certain.

6427
04:31:53,040 --> 04:31:54,000
>> I want to make sure you know that

6428
04:31:54,000 --> 04:31:55,199
everything is captured.

6429
04:31:55,199 --> 04:31:56,880
>> I appreciate that.

6430
04:31:56,880 --> 04:31:59,439
>> Documented into our into our proposal

6431
04:31:59,439 --> 04:32:01,520
for

6432
04:32:01,520 --> 04:32:04,880
when it comes to out of pay um and

6433
04:32:04,880 --> 04:32:06,880
people have job descriptions and they do

6434
04:32:06,880 --> 04:32:09,040
things outside of their pay outside of

6435
04:32:09,040 --> 04:32:10,560
their job description. Don't we have

6436
04:32:10,560 --> 04:32:12,800
that side?

6437
04:32:12,800 --> 04:32:14,159
>> Yeah. How do we pay for that when

6438
04:32:14,159 --> 04:32:17,670
they're doing things

6439
04:32:17,680 --> 04:32:20,159
paying

6440
04:32:20,159 --> 04:32:21,600
>> that's contractual right?

6441
04:32:21,600 --> 04:32:24,399
>> That's for you know satire pay is for

6442
04:32:24,399 --> 04:32:27,840
you know for contract employee I mean

6443
04:32:27,840 --> 04:32:31,120
>> you know the the unionize employees you

6444
04:32:31,120 --> 04:32:32,640
know they have certain job functions

6445
04:32:32,640 --> 04:32:34,560
assigned to their title. They're asked

6446
04:32:34,560 --> 04:32:37,279
to perform they can they can perform

6447
04:32:37,279 --> 04:32:39,040
those functions but by the same token

6448
04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:41,040
they can file the grief and ask to be

6449
04:32:41,040 --> 04:32:42,743
compensated for the add is duties

6450
04:32:42,743 --> 04:32:44,399
[clears throat] that they're doing with

6451
04:32:44,399 --> 04:32:45,920
their

6452
04:32:45,920 --> 04:32:48,080
and and that's contractual employees

6453
04:32:48,080 --> 04:32:49,040
correctly

6454
04:32:49,040 --> 04:32:51,120
>> right that's what I said what I mean

6455
04:32:51,120 --> 04:32:53,439
when you mean contractually meaning the

6456
04:32:53,439 --> 04:32:56,239
CSA

6457
04:32:56,239 --> 04:33:00,720
those unioniz employees yes if there's

6458
04:33:00,720 --> 04:33:02,319
always if they're being asked to go

6459
04:33:02,319 --> 04:33:05,520
outside to do work um and they have to

6460
04:33:05,520 --> 04:33:07,039
be compensated

6461
04:33:07,039 --> 04:33:08,959
>> as that side of work or there's a

6462
04:33:08,959 --> 04:33:10,480
grievance and

6463
04:33:10,480 --> 04:33:11,840
>> um so

6464
04:33:11,840 --> 04:33:13,279
>> as they should and that's in their

6465
04:33:13,279 --> 04:33:14,639
contract is what I'm saying. Yes.

6466
04:33:14,639 --> 04:33:17,680
>> So, so this would not uh talk about

6467
04:33:17,680 --> 04:33:19,199
anything that's in their contract. I

6468
04:33:19,199 --> 04:33:20,639
understand that we have to work within

6469
04:33:20,639 --> 04:33:21,840
the parameters of the contract.

6470
04:33:21,840 --> 04:33:24,719
>> So, I mean what you're looking for is is

6471
04:33:24,719 --> 04:33:26,959
management

6472
04:33:26,959 --> 04:33:29,439
outside of the contractual agreement.

6473
04:33:29,439 --> 04:33:33,119
>> Yes. I said you asking to

6474
04:33:33,119 --> 04:33:35,439
>> I refer to them as non-contractual staff

6475
04:33:35,439 --> 04:33:37,520
and I'm saying outside of the agreement

6476
04:33:37,520 --> 04:33:40,799
employees instead of having these

6477
04:33:40,799 --> 04:33:43,199
stipens they would discuss you to have

6478
04:33:43,199 --> 04:33:47,359
just this pool of money as stipen

6479
04:33:47,359 --> 04:33:49,555
for for

6480
04:33:49,555 --> 04:33:51,039
[snorts]

6481
04:33:51,039 --> 04:33:53,279
hours beyond what their regular work

6482
04:33:53,279 --> 04:33:55,199
hours are. I mean that you know

6483
04:33:55,199 --> 04:33:57,840
>> so be mindful that you don't get into a

6484
04:33:57,840 --> 04:33:59,199
position [clears throat] where it's just

6485
04:33:59,199 --> 04:34:02,879
a undefined amount of money and needs to

6486
04:34:02,879 --> 04:34:06,000
pay you know pay certain individuals and

6487
04:34:06,000 --> 04:34:07,920
not pay other individuals

6488
04:34:07,920 --> 04:34:10,320
>> you know has to be parameters and how

6489
04:34:10,320 --> 04:34:12,400
it's

6490
04:34:12,400 --> 04:34:15,520
>> so yeah so so to be really clear what

6491
04:34:15,520 --> 04:34:16,879
I'm saying is this is that if you go

6492
04:34:16,879 --> 04:34:18,160
through the budget and you go to certain

6493
04:34:18,160 --> 04:34:20,799
departments you have and again let's

6494
04:34:20,799 --> 04:34:23,600
exclude our union workers okay we're not

6495
04:34:23,600 --> 04:34:24,799
talking about them. That's why I put

6496
04:34:24,799 --> 04:34:27,359
that language in in the email. What what

6497
04:34:27,359 --> 04:34:29,680
you have is that uh manager in this

6498
04:34:29,680 --> 04:34:31,680
department

6499
04:34:31,680 --> 04:34:37,199
um of 8% raise manager over here 12%

6500
04:34:37,199 --> 04:34:39,680
raise and then a whole bunch of 3%

6501
04:34:39,680 --> 04:34:42,719
raises and then an 8% raise. I

6502
04:34:42,719 --> 04:34:43,920
completely understand why it's

6503
04:34:43,920 --> 04:34:45,520
happening. I understand and heard the

6504
04:34:45,520 --> 04:34:47,119
reasons why it's going like that. What

6505
04:34:47,119 --> 04:34:48,719
I'm saying is that in this situation

6506
04:34:48,719 --> 04:34:50,639
that we're that we're in, give everyone

6507
04:34:50,639 --> 04:34:53,760
the flat 3% raise to make sure that we

6508
04:34:53,760 --> 04:34:56,400
uh are accounting for their uh inflation

6509
04:34:56,400 --> 04:34:59,680
and cost of living rise. And you also

6510
04:34:59,680 --> 04:35:02,719
have a stipen in this department for

6511
04:35:02,719 --> 04:35:05,520
10,000 8,000 over here for this

6512
04:35:05,520 --> 04:35:09,920
department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to

6513
04:35:09,920 --> 04:35:12,400
the very extreme situations where we

6514
04:35:12,400 --> 04:35:14,080
need people and we could talk about what

6515
04:35:14,080 --> 04:35:15,920
that number is. And I think that we have

6516
04:35:15,920 --> 04:35:18,639
a one line for that because we have some

6517
04:35:18,639 --> 04:35:20,080
departments that have statements for

6518
04:35:20,080 --> 04:35:22,160
$8,000. Some departments that have no

6519
04:35:22,160 --> 04:35:24,080
statements, some managers requesting a

6520
04:35:24,080 --> 04:35:27,840
12% raise, some managers uh requesting a

6521
04:35:27,840 --> 04:35:30,000
3% raise. So, so what I'm saying

6522
04:35:30,000 --> 04:35:31,680
instead, and I know Mr. Mudam was

6523
04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:34,561
saying, you know, no raises right now,

6524
04:35:34,561 --> 04:35:36,400
you know, based on the situation we're

6525
04:35:36,400 --> 04:35:38,639
in, and I understand his logic. I'm

6526
04:35:38,639 --> 04:35:40,719
saying that I'm willing to say we need

6527
04:35:40,719 --> 04:35:42,879
to give people a raise so quickly so

6528
04:35:42,879 --> 04:35:45,199
they can have their their in cost of

6529
04:35:45,199 --> 04:35:46,959
living increased rates but that's it.

6530
04:35:46,959 --> 04:35:49,439
>> Just for some input reason why somebody

6531
04:35:49,439 --> 04:35:51,119
disagree with or increase their certain

6532
04:35:51,119 --> 04:35:53,199
percentage because there's union members

6533
04:35:53,199 --> 04:35:54,561
that are making more than

6534
04:35:54,561 --> 04:35:57,840
>> I understand. No individuals probably

6535
04:35:57,840 --> 04:36:00,160
not going to stay with the city member

6536
04:36:00,160 --> 04:36:02,639
underneath them is making more. I I I

6537
04:36:02,639 --> 04:36:04,561
understand that. Um, but [clears throat]

6538
04:36:04,561 --> 04:36:07,520
this is what we this is what's in our

6539
04:36:07,520 --> 04:36:10,639
private right now. If I could have go

6540
04:36:10,639 --> 04:36:12,799
into union negotiations and do it, then

6541
04:36:12,799 --> 04:36:14,959
maybe but this right now we're not

6542
04:36:14,959 --> 04:36:16,561
working with that. That's why when we

6543
04:36:16,561 --> 04:36:18,799
always identify, oh, why is this person

6544
04:36:18,799 --> 04:36:19,840
getting that? They say, "Oh, it's

6545
04:36:19,840 --> 04:36:21,359
contractual." We go, "Okay, moving on."

6546
04:36:21,359 --> 04:36:22,879
Because we understand that that right

6547
04:36:22,879 --> 04:36:24,320
now is not within our permit. That's

6548
04:36:24,320 --> 04:36:26,320
been a negotiated contract. We can't go

6549
04:36:26,320 --> 04:36:28,320
back in and do that. What I'm saying is

6550
04:36:28,320 --> 04:36:30,639
that instead of saying no one gets a

6551
04:36:30,639 --> 04:36:32,959
raise, everyone gets the same raise at

6552
04:36:32,959 --> 04:36:35,520
3% due to the place that we're in.

6553
04:36:35,520 --> 04:36:39,039
That's what I'm saying.

6554
04:36:39,039 --> 04:36:40,561
Would that be at the discretion of the

6555
04:36:40,561 --> 04:36:44,480
mayor? How it's distributed?

6556
04:36:44,480 --> 04:36:45,760
>> 3% raise across.

6557
04:36:45,760 --> 04:36:47,039
>> No, no, no. I'm talking about the

6558
04:36:47,039 --> 04:36:49,119
10,000, you know, the pool of money. How

6559
04:36:49,119 --> 04:36:50,160
would that been distributed?

6560
04:36:50,160 --> 04:36:51,279
>> Well, I think that there's going to

6561
04:36:51,279 --> 04:36:52,719
there's there's some variables there. I

6562
04:36:52,719 --> 04:36:54,561
said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be

6563
04:36:54,561 --> 04:36:56,879
more, right? And maybe the mayor can and

6564
04:36:56,879 --> 04:36:58,561
the mayor maybe the mayor works with us

6565
04:36:58,561 --> 04:37:01,600
and say well this position

6566
04:37:01,600 --> 04:37:04,400
you know is the 911 oh my goodness

6567
04:37:04,400 --> 04:37:06,320
coming in for this position but this

6568
04:37:06,320 --> 04:37:08,240
position people just usually come and

6569
04:37:08,240 --> 04:37:09,760
present to city council. So if you're

6570
04:37:09,760 --> 04:37:11,439
just coming to present to city council

6571
04:37:11,439 --> 04:37:13,199
in that case then you can flex your time

6572
04:37:13,199 --> 04:37:15,680
the next day but then you know then make

6573
04:37:15,680 --> 04:37:17,680
sure that you know then it would be a

6574
04:37:17,680 --> 04:37:20,719
operational thing but I'm just not okay

6575
04:37:20,719 --> 04:37:23,279
with not giving anybody any reason. I I

6576
04:37:23,279 --> 04:37:24,799
just want to say when my son-in-law work

6577
04:37:24,799 --> 04:37:26,561
for folks I mean they go out on any fire

6578
04:37:26,561 --> 04:37:28,639
and that goes in there and you know to

6579
04:37:28,639 --> 04:37:30,240
expect it like the mayor said the other

6580
04:37:30,240 --> 04:37:32,000
night you know I want somebody who's

6581
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:34,000
going to get get up put their coat on we

6582
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:35,920
have a water man break 2 3 in the

6583
04:37:35,920 --> 04:37:37,439
morning so there are certain departments

6584
04:37:37,439 --> 04:37:40,240
that I I think deserve

6585
04:37:40,240 --> 04:37:43,039
>> um and again under those guidelines I

6586
04:37:43,039 --> 04:37:45,840
mean I can't take away city clerks

6587
04:37:45,840 --> 04:37:48,639
because um I mean she does they do go

6588
04:37:48,639 --> 04:37:51,520
above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when

6589
04:37:51,520 --> 04:37:52,639
needed. I

6590
04:37:52,639 --> 04:37:52,799
>> um

6591
04:37:52,799 --> 04:37:57,039
>> because of New York state laws what has to be there but those those I think

6592
04:37:57,039 --> 04:37:59,119
your stipen need to remain in those

6593
04:37:59,119 --> 04:38:01,119
departments but that's just me we'll

6594
04:38:01,119 --> 04:38:02,320
talk about it

6595
04:38:02,320 --> 04:38:04,240
>> yeah that's what two that's a proposal

6596
04:38:04,240 --> 04:38:06,959
from everyone that's that's what it so

6597
04:38:06,959 --> 04:38:10,561
I'm going to Mr. Uh William sent this uh

6598
04:38:10,561 --> 04:38:12,799
recommendation. So can you please take

6599
04:38:12,799 --> 04:38:14,879
that email and incorporate it into the

6600
04:38:14,879 --> 04:38:17,039
proposal?

6601
04:38:17,039 --> 04:38:20,719
>> You're saying 10K for

6602
04:38:20,719 --> 04:38:22,879
>> 10K is just a number that's out there.

6603
04:38:22,879 --> 04:38:25,119
It's extremely

6604
04:38:25,119 --> 04:38:27,520
>> you have to put it between each fund

6605
04:38:27,520 --> 04:38:29,520
because we have management in water,

6606
04:38:29,520 --> 04:38:31,119
sewer, golf

6607
04:38:31,119 --> 04:38:33,119
>> in general. So you would have to have

6608
04:38:33,119 --> 04:38:35,137
five maybe I don't know 10 10.

6609
04:38:35,137 --> 04:38:35,680
[laughter]

6610
04:38:35,680 --> 04:38:37,439
So, so maybe the number would be this

6611
04:38:37,439 --> 04:38:38,639
number, but then you're just saying has

6612
04:38:38,639 --> 04:38:40,879
to be divided across departments, right?

6613
04:38:40,879 --> 04:38:41,840
That's what you're saying.

6614
04:38:41,840 --> 04:38:44,400
>> Depends how many more managements are on

6615
04:38:44,400 --> 04:38:45,920
another. I don't know how to split that

6616
04:38:45,920 --> 04:38:47,520
out.

6617
04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:49,760
>> Okay. Well, I I think that just from

6618
04:38:49,760 --> 04:38:51,520
input, if we can look at what the

6619
04:38:51,520 --> 04:38:53,840
stipens have been spent

6620
04:38:53,840 --> 04:38:56,240
in previous years, the same way we use

6621
04:38:56,240 --> 04:38:58,000
this historical data to make our

6622
04:38:58,000 --> 04:38:59,520
projections now, I think that that

6623
04:38:59,520 --> 04:39:03,670
wouldn't be any different here.

6624
04:39:03,680 --> 04:39:07,119
Yeah, I'm happy to. So, well, let's just

6625
04:39:07,119 --> 04:39:09,039
back up back there. So, Mr. William

6626
04:39:09,039 --> 04:39:10,561
recommendation, please incorporate that

6627
04:39:10,561 --> 04:39:12,080
into the proposal that comes to the

6628
04:39:12,080 --> 04:39:13,760
proposal. And if there's any

6629
04:39:13,760 --> 04:39:15,760
clarification needed, we can reach out

6630
04:39:15,760 --> 04:39:23,269
to Mr.

6631
04:39:23,279 --> 04:39:26,709
» Oh,

6632
04:39:26,719 --> 04:39:28,639
I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. So just so

6633
04:39:28,639 --> 04:39:30,400
we have better clarification how to put

6634
04:39:30,400 --> 04:39:33,199
this in uh format that we understand.

6635
04:39:33,199 --> 04:39:34,000
>> Sure.

6636
04:39:34,000 --> 04:39:35,840
>> You want to take the general water

6637
04:39:35,840 --> 04:39:37,760
sealer and have all the stipens the

6638
04:39:37,760 --> 04:39:42,400
general fund put that in water.

6639
04:39:42,400 --> 04:39:44,160
>> What I'm looking for is we could look at

6640
04:39:44,160 --> 04:39:46,480
the historical data of like so the last

6641
04:39:46,480 --> 04:39:49,760
three years what lines have been you

6642
04:39:49,760 --> 04:39:51,120
know how much money have been spent

6643
04:39:51,120 --> 04:39:52,560
drawn down from the stipens and what

6644
04:39:52,560 --> 04:39:53,920
department. I think that that will

6645
04:39:53,920 --> 04:39:56,718
better help inform

6646
04:39:56,718 --> 04:39:58,160
what that number should look like and

6647
04:39:58,160 --> 04:40:01,200
how we could do it and and are we and I

6648
04:40:01,200 --> 04:40:03,200
guess yeah they would be required to be

6649
04:40:03,200 --> 04:40:06,470
ahead.

6650
04:40:06,480 --> 04:40:07,520
» Okay.

6651
04:40:07,520 --> 04:40:09,200
>> Yeah.

6652
04:40:09,200 --> 04:40:11,360
>> So we have the email from Mr. Williams

6653
04:40:11,360 --> 04:40:13,040
and we're going to add that into the

6654
04:40:13,040 --> 04:40:14,080
proposal

6655
04:40:14,080 --> 04:40:15,680
>> everything

6656
04:40:15,680 --> 04:40:17,200
>> for the expenditures.

6657
04:40:17,200 --> 04:40:18,080
>> Mr. Williams

6658
04:40:18,080 --> 04:40:21,200
>> he sent his own presentation.

6659
04:40:21,200 --> 04:40:23,440
>> We have copy for that. Okay. I want to

6660
04:40:23,440 --> 04:40:28,160
make sure that we we accept this. Um any

6661
04:40:28,160 --> 04:40:31,200
emails from anybody else?

6662
04:40:31,200 --> 04:40:32,560
No.

6663
04:40:32,560 --> 04:40:35,520
Um,

6664
04:40:35,520 --> 04:40:37,200
one thing I did send in the mail in

6665
04:40:37,200 --> 04:40:41,520
terms of the um I think that um my my

6666
04:40:41,520 --> 04:40:44,320
recommendation is to um

6667
04:40:44,320 --> 04:40:47,520
to continue we make a recommendation to

6668
04:40:47,520 --> 04:40:50,160
support the mayor's um support the

6669
04:40:50,160 --> 04:40:54,400
mayor's um hiring phrase into 2026

6670
04:40:54,400 --> 04:40:57,520
and also any new hire that is not grant

6671
04:40:57,520 --> 04:41:01,440
funded we should also put that out on

6672
04:41:01,440 --> 04:41:04,638
old and revisit into next year. So I

6673
04:41:04,638 --> 04:41:07,200
will make that recommendation

6674
04:41:07,200 --> 04:41:09,040
uh whatever victory we have with the

6675
04:41:09,040 --> 04:41:11,840
Slav central or grant funded we should

6676
04:41:11,840 --> 04:41:14,240
continue to hold it high ranking figures

6677
04:41:14,240 --> 04:41:17,680
for that as the mayor had hold this year

6678
04:41:17,680 --> 04:41:21,920
uh into next year and all new hires

6679
04:41:21,920 --> 04:41:25,520
that is not funding

6680
04:41:25,520 --> 04:41:26,718
if it's not

6681
04:41:26,718 --> 04:41:28,798
>> vacant.

6682
04:41:28,798 --> 04:41:34,878
Nice added to my um thought.

6683
04:41:34,878 --> 04:41:36,240
It's all over you now.

6684
04:41:36,240 --> 04:41:38,400
>> Yeah. So, I really need to go through

6685
04:41:38,400 --> 04:41:40,560
this um and I'm too tired right now to

6686
04:41:40,560 --> 04:41:42,480
do it, but given the information that we

6687
04:41:42,480 --> 04:41:44,480
learned tonight, I will try to do some

6688
04:41:44,480 --> 04:41:46,958
recommendations before Friday. Um I'm

6689
04:41:46,958 --> 04:41:48,718
happy to just look at what you all just

6690
04:41:48,718 --> 04:41:51,920
did and I'll, you know, when we get the

6691
04:41:51,920 --> 04:41:54,718
Excel spreadsheet back um with the the

6692
04:41:54,718 --> 04:41:57,680
proposed city council changes, I will I

6693
04:41:57,680 --> 04:41:58,878
will look at those. going to have to

6694
04:41:58,878 --> 04:42:00,000
revisit it, right?

6695
04:42:00,000 --> 04:42:01,680
>> No, I'm going to just work off that

6696
04:42:01,680 --> 04:42:04,560
document because I just I just can't I

6697
04:42:04,560 --> 04:42:06,240
know. I just I just I'd have to go

6698
04:42:06,240 --> 04:42:08,878
through my my way of thinking is I'd

6699
04:42:08,878 --> 04:42:10,798
have to like look at everything. So, I

6700
04:42:10,798 --> 04:42:12,000
want to look at everything that you all

6701
04:42:12,000 --> 04:42:14,320
just said. I do want to say that I

6702
04:42:14,320 --> 04:42:16,798
completely agree with you that I want to

6703
04:42:16,798 --> 04:42:18,718
support the hiring freeze. Everything

6704
04:42:18,718 --> 04:42:20,798
that you just said would be things that

6705
04:42:20,798 --> 04:42:22,638
I would support as well, Mr. McLaren,

6706
04:42:22,638 --> 04:42:24,798
that I think the hiring freeze needs to

6707
04:42:24,798 --> 04:42:26,718
stay in place. I don't think that we

6708
04:42:26,718 --> 04:42:29,040
should be, you know, I think we need to

6709
04:42:29,040 --> 04:42:33,600
not necessarily do the new hires. Um,

6710
04:42:33,600 --> 04:42:35,920
so I'm I'm right with you on that,

6711
04:42:35,920 --> 04:42:37,280
>> Miss Michael. Um, we're not going to

6712
04:42:37,280 --> 04:42:40,080
have a budget Friday. So, can we put a

6713
04:42:40,080 --> 04:42:43,120
um a notice out to capture someday next

6714
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:44,958
week because I was expecting us to

6715
04:42:44,958 --> 04:42:47,360
present our proposal today so that we

6716
04:42:47,360 --> 04:42:49,280
give it to the commissioner of finance

6717
04:42:49,280 --> 04:42:51,840
so he can present to us Friday. From the

6718
04:42:51,840 --> 04:42:54,000
time we arrive at 5:30, we're going to

6719
04:42:54,000 --> 04:42:56,000
start go through all proposals side by

6720
04:42:56,000 --> 04:42:59,360
side and say, "Okay, here are we. Are

6721
04:42:59,360 --> 04:43:01,120
you in agreement with John? Are you

6722
04:43:01,120 --> 04:43:02,958
agreement with Mr. Toro?"

6723
04:43:02,958 --> 04:43:04,480
>> You kind of start debate that say, "You

6724
04:43:04,480 --> 04:43:07,680
know what? I agree with Mr. Toro. Don,

6725
04:43:07,680 --> 04:43:09,280
we're not agreeing with you. Let's move

6726
04:43:09,280 --> 04:43:10,320
forward." Now, we're going to have to

6727
04:43:10,320 --> 04:43:11,920
come down. We're going to have to go

6728
04:43:11,920 --> 04:43:14,958
through that the entire budget again to

6729
04:43:14,958 --> 04:43:18,080
for your proposal.

6730
04:43:18,080 --> 04:43:18,718
5 hours.

6731
04:43:18,718 --> 04:43:20,160
>> That's not what I'm saying. That's not

6732
04:43:20,160 --> 04:43:21,920
what I'm saying. I just wanted to hear

6733
04:43:21,920 --> 04:43:24,480
what all of you all had to say. I'm

6734
04:43:24,480 --> 04:43:26,400
going to just I mean, in other words,

6735
04:43:26,400 --> 04:43:27,760
what you're saying is that they're not

6736
04:43:27,760 --> 04:43:29,600
they're going to have to give us back a

6737
04:43:29,600 --> 04:43:31,840
document on Friday that has what you

6738
04:43:31,840 --> 04:43:33,920
suggested, what you suggested, what

6739
04:43:33,920 --> 04:43:36,000
>> everyone suggested. All five of us

6740
04:43:36,000 --> 04:43:38,000
except you.

6741
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:39,280
>> Okay. I thought we were going to see

6742
04:43:39,280 --> 04:43:41,920
something on Friday incorporating all of

6743
04:43:41,920 --> 04:43:44,160
the count. I I don't know. I mean, I

6744
04:43:44,160 --> 04:43:44,560
guess

6745
04:43:44,560 --> 04:43:49,280
>> you could send it in if you needed to. I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy

6746
04:43:49,280 --> 04:43:51,120
to review just based on what this

6747
04:43:51,120 --> 04:43:56,000
conversation was tonight. I mean, the I really do feel I do support the hiring

6748
04:43:56,000 --> 04:43:57,840
free. I can give you a couple of general

6749
04:43:57,840 --> 04:44:00,160
comments, but I do want to look back at

6750
04:44:00,160 --> 04:44:02,798
everything we just discussed.

6751
04:44:02,798 --> 04:44:04,718
>> Are you I thought you were making notes.

6752
04:44:04,718 --> 04:44:06,638
>> I was, but if you want, I can go through

6753
04:44:06,638 --> 04:44:08,160
it right now. If you all want to stay,

6754
04:44:08,160 --> 04:44:10,400
I'll just do it right now and look at my

6755
04:44:10,400 --> 04:44:11,920
notes that I was taking while I'm

6756
04:44:11,920 --> 04:44:16,320
sitting here. So, let's see. I would um

6757
04:44:16,320 --> 04:44:19,600
if you want to start right on page um

6758
04:44:19,600 --> 04:44:21,200
eight

6759
04:44:21,200 --> 04:44:24,628
um

6760
04:44:24,638 --> 04:44:26,000
» I don't think I want to change the

6761
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:28,240
allowance. Are we still I don't want to

6762
04:44:28,240 --> 04:44:30,000
change the allowance for collected

6763
04:44:30,000 --> 04:44:32,718
uncollected taxes because I think that

6764
04:44:32,718 --> 04:44:34,000
um I'd have to go back through my

6765
04:44:34,000 --> 04:44:35,440
paperwork but I believe that the

6766
04:44:35,440 --> 04:44:36,878
recommendation from the finance

6767
04:44:36,878 --> 04:44:40,560
commissioner was that that figure 2850

6768
04:44:40,560 --> 04:44:42,878
is probably too low. So, I would stay

6769
04:44:42,878 --> 04:44:49,040
there for that one. Um, in terms of the

6770
04:44:49,040 --> 04:44:51,200
um

6771
04:44:51,200 --> 04:44:57,510
cannabis one, um

6772
04:44:57,520 --> 04:45:00,878
I would be okay with um I'm look I'm

6773
04:45:00,878 --> 04:45:02,320
trying to I have to go back and look at

6774
04:45:02,320 --> 04:45:03,440
the um

6775
04:45:03,440 --> 04:45:05,760
>> maybe if you like take some maybe start

6776
04:45:05,760 --> 04:45:08,638
with John's email both of those lines.

6777
04:45:08,638 --> 04:45:09,440
>> Excuse me.

6778
04:45:09,440 --> 04:45:11,440
>> It might help just for you to reference.

6779
04:45:11,440 --> 04:45:12,958
Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.

6780
04:45:12,958 --> 04:45:13,600
>> Yeah.

6781
04:45:13,600 --> 04:45:15,040
that was the document I was

6782
04:45:15,040 --> 04:45:17,040
looking at was John's John's document

6783
04:45:17,040 --> 04:45:18,160
because that was the only one that he

6784
04:45:18,160 --> 04:45:19,840
had, I believe,

6785
04:45:19,840 --> 04:45:22,798
>> in advance of coming in.

6786
04:45:22,798 --> 04:45:25,680
Um,

6787
04:45:25,680 --> 04:45:28,240
yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up

6788
04:45:28,240 --> 04:45:32,480
in the cannabis. Um,

6789
04:45:32,480 --> 04:45:40,230
I have to find John's email again.

6790
04:45:40,240 --> 04:45:47,430
Here's

6791
04:45:47,440 --> 04:45:54,310
the Here's John.

6792
04:45:54,320 --> 04:45:56,240
was increasing cannabis by

6793
04:45:56,240 --> 04:45:59,440
$300,000. I believe

6794
04:45:59,440 --> 04:46:05,190
um

6795
04:46:05,200 --> 04:46:07,600
on that one,

6796
04:46:07,600 --> 04:46:10,080
Joe's going to a million. Dorene's going

6797
04:46:10,080 --> 04:46:13,600
to 800,000. Demani was going to 850 and

6798
04:46:13,600 --> 04:46:18,400
Miriam was going to 850. Um I will say

6799
04:46:18,400 --> 04:46:21,520
um 850.

6800
04:46:21,520 --> 04:46:25,120
So that is A116.

6801
04:46:25,120 --> 04:46:26,240
>> Okay. You have a question?

6802
04:46:26,240 --> 04:46:28,080
>> I think it was just it doesn't matter

6803
04:46:28,080 --> 04:46:29,680
what we were doing. So you put

6804
04:46:29,680 --> 04:46:31,200
>> I'm just listening but I was listening

6805
04:46:31,200 --> 04:46:32,638
to all of you and listening to the

6806
04:46:32,638 --> 04:46:34,400
arguments. I listen to the police.

6807
04:46:34,400 --> 04:46:35,600
>> Absolutely.

6808
04:46:35,600 --> 04:46:37,520
>> This is this is not about matching us.

6809
04:46:37,520 --> 04:46:39,200
No, I know this is the

6810
04:46:39,200 --> 04:46:43,040
>> I know I'm making I am making my own

6811
04:46:43,040 --> 04:46:45,920
I think I just I kind of process

6812
04:46:45,920 --> 04:46:47,120
differently.

6813
04:46:47,120 --> 04:46:48,638
>> So you're making a decision based on all

6814
04:46:48,638 --> 04:46:50,000
the information that you heard.

6815
04:46:50,000 --> 04:46:51,600
>> I am I am.

6816
04:46:51,600 --> 04:46:53,440
>> So that's what I was saying. I think

6817
04:46:53,440 --> 04:46:55,200
that it's not too much for you to take

6818
04:46:55,200 --> 04:46:57,280
that and go through it and then send it

6819
04:46:57,280 --> 04:46:59,040
him. We would have it if you send it to

6820
04:46:59,040 --> 04:47:01,200
Sam and then that would be easier.

6821
04:47:01,200 --> 04:47:03,040
>> I could do it tomorrow.

6822
04:47:03,040 --> 04:47:04,320
>> I definitely couldn't do it when I go

6823
04:47:04,320 --> 04:47:04,878
home now.

6824
04:47:04,878 --> 04:47:07,040
>> Right. Um, but I can actually I mean I

6825
04:47:07,040 --> 04:47:10,000
do I agree with what Mr. Mutarin is

6826
04:47:10,000 --> 04:47:11,520
saying. I will say I came in here

6827
04:47:11,520 --> 04:47:14,320
tonight to say yeah same thing hiring

6828
04:47:14,320 --> 04:47:16,878
freeze needs to continue. Um I don't

6829
04:47:16,878 --> 04:47:19,120
think we should be necessarily filling

6830
04:47:19,120 --> 04:47:21,680
vacant vacancies

6831
04:47:21,680 --> 04:47:23,840
um or adding new positions but again I

6832
04:47:23,840 --> 04:47:25,520
want to make sure that I'm you know

6833
04:47:25,520 --> 04:47:27,360
looking across the board at those and I

6834
04:47:27,360 --> 04:47:28,560
think that's what you just said right

6835
04:47:28,560 --> 04:47:31,600
Mr. Min. Um so I kind of agree with that

6836
04:47:31,600 --> 04:47:35,280
one. Um, there's one other place where I

6837
04:47:35,280 --> 04:47:38,240
wrote a note that I would suggest.

6838
04:47:38,240 --> 04:47:40,000
Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah. The bus

6839
04:47:40,000 --> 04:47:41,840
patrol. I really want to stay with the

6840
04:47:41,840 --> 04:47:45,280
400,000 on the bus patrol. So, that is

6841
04:47:45,280 --> 04:47:49,120
line 2610.

6842
04:47:49,120 --> 04:47:51,200
I think we should stick with the 400,000

6843
04:47:51,200 --> 04:47:53,280
there.

6844
04:47:53,280 --> 04:47:55,600
>> So, I have a question regarding that.

6845
04:47:55,600 --> 04:47:58,080
So, so you're not taking into into

6846
04:47:58,080 --> 04:48:00,718
consideration the $600,000

6847
04:48:00,718 --> 04:48:03,600
that is not that outstanding revenue

6848
04:48:03,600 --> 04:48:05,920
that they didn't account for in the

6849
04:48:05,920 --> 04:48:08,400
budget and we heard that from the chiefs

6850
04:48:08,400 --> 04:48:09,360
and that's what

6851
04:48:09,360 --> 04:48:11,600
>> well I asked I asked them I actually

6852
04:48:11,600 --> 04:48:13,280
asked the question tonight whether they

6853
04:48:13,280 --> 04:48:15,440
thought the 400,000 was realistic and

6854
04:48:15,440 --> 04:48:17,440
they I wrote myself a note actually they

6855
04:48:17,440 --> 04:48:19,760
said yes the 400,000 was the realistic

6856
04:48:19,760 --> 04:48:20,080
number

6857
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:21,520
>> but it does not factor in the

6858
04:48:21,520 --> 04:48:24,160
outstanding

6859
04:48:24,160 --> 04:48:25,920
>> okay So these you want to have these

6860
04:48:25,920 --> 04:48:27,520
discussions now instead of Friday night.

6861
04:48:27,520 --> 04:48:29,840
>> No making a recommendation just like we

6862
04:48:29,840 --> 04:48:32,080
were making re I'm going to stick with

6863
04:48:32,080 --> 04:48:33,680
the same thing.

6864
04:48:33,680 --> 04:48:36,400
>> Yes. I'm going to stick with the 400

6865
04:48:36,400 --> 04:48:47,270
>> on that one. Um

6866
04:48:47,280 --> 04:48:49,200
I'm sorry I put in my other notes that I

6867
04:48:49,200 --> 04:48:52,878
took tonight and look back at them.

6868
04:48:52,878 --> 04:48:54,878
>> Sorry about this. No, you don't got to

6869
04:48:54,878 --> 04:48:56,160
be sorry about it. And if you need to

6870
04:48:56,160 --> 04:48:58,878
take the night to tomorrow tomorrow morning to do it, you can do

6871
04:48:58,878 --> 04:49:00,878
that. Just like do that. There's nothing

6872
04:49:00,878 --> 04:49:01,920
wrong.

6873
04:49:01,920 --> 04:49:03,600
>> And I I feel like like like we're

6874
04:49:03,600 --> 04:49:05,040
forcing you to go do it. And you said

6875
04:49:05,040 --> 04:49:06,320
that you didn't want to do it.

6876
04:49:06,320 --> 04:49:07,520
>> You get up in the morning, you go

6877
04:49:07,520 --> 04:49:08,878
through your notes and email it right

6878
04:49:08,878 --> 04:49:11,280
away to Sam and Derek

6879
04:49:11,280 --> 04:49:13,040
with a fresh mind. I don't understand

6880
04:49:13,040 --> 04:49:13,360
that.

6881
04:49:13,360 --> 04:49:14,958
>> We'll all be on the same.

6882
04:49:14,958 --> 04:49:16,240
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. And that's what

6883
04:49:16,240 --> 04:49:16,798
I'm going to do.

6884
04:49:16,798 --> 04:49:18,160
>> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.

6885
04:49:18,160 --> 04:49:19,760
Don't worry. We're in it together. I

6886
04:49:19,760 --> 04:49:21,760
mean, believe me, on Friday when I get

6887
04:49:21,760 --> 04:49:24,160
to see and and actually we will see this

6888
04:49:24,160 --> 04:49:26,240
document before we come here at 5:30 on

6889
04:49:26,240 --> 04:49:27,200
Friday, right?

6890
04:49:27,200 --> 04:49:29,200
>> Nobody's

6891
04:49:29,200 --> 04:49:31,040
>> right. So, we'll get it we'll get it in

6892
04:49:31,040 --> 04:49:32,958
time to review that document before we

6893
04:49:32,958 --> 04:49:33,440
come here.

6894
04:49:33,440 --> 04:49:37,040
>> Can you please email

6895
04:49:37,040 --> 04:49:40,000
>> that? If if I may, the document is going

6896
04:49:40,000 --> 04:49:42,160
to be available to us when all of us

6897
04:49:42,160 --> 04:49:44,638
submit our proposal. If you do not have

6898
04:49:44,638 --> 04:49:46,480
any proposal,

6899
04:49:46,480 --> 04:49:48,080
then the document is going to be

6900
04:49:48,080 --> 04:49:49,600
available on Friday.

6901
04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:51,120
>> Just I just want to look over all my

6902
04:49:51,120 --> 04:49:51,840
notes from tonight.

6903
04:49:51,840 --> 04:49:53,120
>> I am not going to have the finance

6904
04:49:53,120 --> 04:49:55,600
commission send out a document and then

6905
04:49:55,600 --> 04:49:56,878
we are still in the process of

6906
04:49:56,878 --> 04:49:58,080
submitting.

6907
04:49:58,080 --> 04:50:00,160
>> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as

6908
04:50:00,160 --> 04:50:02,000
I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as

6909
04:50:02,000 --> 04:50:04,718
I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just

6910
04:50:04,718 --> 04:50:06,560
asking if we could get it back in enough

6911
04:50:06,560 --> 04:50:08,560
time to look through that document

6912
04:50:08,560 --> 04:50:13,840
before we come back here around 5:30 on Friday. Is that is that the plan that

6913
04:50:13,840 --> 04:50:16,480
we have it before we come back on?

6914
04:50:16,480 --> 04:50:18,240
>> Well, we have never done that before.

6915
04:50:18,240 --> 04:50:20,320
>> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked

6916
04:50:20,320 --> 04:50:20,638
at it.

6917
04:50:20,638 --> 04:50:22,240
>> We present the proposal. We allow them

6918
04:50:22,240 --> 04:50:24,320
to to do their changes. They add the

6919
04:50:24,320 --> 04:50:27,280
column, do every bring these this

6920
04:50:27,280 --> 04:50:29,600
information to us and then we kind of

6921
04:50:29,600 --> 04:50:30,718
like start. Okay.

6922
04:50:30,718 --> 04:50:31,200
>> Okay.

6923
04:50:31,200 --> 04:50:34,240
>> Here is here is um cannabis.

6924
04:50:34,240 --> 04:50:35,760
One is saying a million, one is saying

6925
04:50:35,760 --> 04:50:37,840
800. Where do we stand on this? Do we

6926
04:50:37,840 --> 04:50:39,280
have a consensus? Do we have an

6927
04:50:39,280 --> 04:50:41,680
agreement? Where do we the finance

6928
04:50:41,680 --> 04:50:42,718
committee will have to make a

6929
04:50:42,718 --> 04:50:44,080
recommendation and what do we do with

6930
04:50:44,080 --> 04:50:46,080
that on that line? That's how we decide

6931
04:50:46,080 --> 04:50:46,638
to do it.

6932
04:50:46,638 --> 04:50:47,600
>> I guess

6933
04:50:47,600 --> 04:50:49,520
>> so we better add the other night. We we

6934
04:50:49,520 --> 04:50:52,240
have to add an additional Friday.

6935
04:50:52,240 --> 04:50:54,718
>> If we don't push these things along and

6936
04:50:54,718 --> 04:50:59,520
we keep dragging them on into next day, we've been doing that for the

6937
04:50:59,520 --> 04:51:01,440
last couple days. We're going to end up

6938
04:51:01,440 --> 04:51:03,760
into next week. And I was about to ask I

6939
04:51:03,760 --> 04:51:05,760
need some availability next week

6940
04:51:05,760 --> 04:51:06,878
>> or this weekend.

6941
04:51:06,878 --> 04:51:12,480
>> Monday. I'm I'm not

6942
04:51:12,480 --> 04:51:14,958
but so but Mr. I do have to ask this

6943
04:51:14,958 --> 04:51:17,120
question.

6944
04:51:17,120 --> 04:51:21,120
What uh what Mr. Google is going to do?

6945
04:51:21,120 --> 04:51:24,798
I say 854 again.

6946
04:51:24,798 --> 04:51:26,638
So what is he going to put with his

6947
04:51:26,638 --> 04:51:28,560
documentation? Is he just going to list

6948
04:51:28,560 --> 04:51:30,560
all of our stuff separate? You know it

6949
04:51:30,560 --> 04:51:34,638
can't be like when down the hall because

6950
04:51:34,638 --> 04:51:36,080
we came here with consensus. I was

6951
04:51:36,080 --> 04:51:38,160
saying can't Friday we can't have it run

6952
04:51:38,160 --> 04:51:40,000
into the office. So we have to get our

6953
04:51:40,000 --> 04:51:41,760
recommendation in

6954
04:51:41,760 --> 04:51:44,320
>> before before five start to create a

6955
04:51:44,320 --> 04:51:46,000
summary sheet like this for each

6956
04:51:46,000 --> 04:51:46,958
individual

6957
04:51:46,958 --> 04:51:49,360
>> for each individual. So you're going to

6958
04:51:49,360 --> 04:51:50,480
have the revenue.

6959
04:51:50,480 --> 04:51:51,440
>> It's going to be a summer. It's not

6960
04:51:51,440 --> 04:51:52,638
going to be the fall,

6961
04:51:52,638 --> 04:51:54,320
>> right? Just the changes.

6962
04:51:54,320 --> 04:51:55,440
>> Just the changes.

6963
04:51:55,440 --> 04:51:57,280
>> Each person's changes. And we still I'm

6964
04:51:57,280 --> 04:51:59,520
sorry. We still have one touch that

6965
04:51:59,520 --> 04:52:01,280
that's the case. [clears throat]

6966
04:52:01,280 --> 04:52:03,280
>> What What comfortable thing does it on

6967
04:52:03,280 --> 04:52:04,560
one sheet?

6968
04:52:04,560 --> 04:52:06,080
>> Well,

6969
04:52:06,080 --> 04:52:08,560
all six of us. I would probably

6970
04:52:08,560 --> 04:52:11,840
recommend doing six different sheets

6971
04:52:11,840 --> 04:52:14,718
>> and and also the percentage of the tax

6972
04:52:14,718 --> 04:52:17,600
increase up or down based on those

6973
04:52:17,600 --> 04:52:19,600
recommendations of each one.

6974
04:52:19,600 --> 04:52:22,400
>> The totals the totals and then then how

6975
04:52:22,400 --> 04:52:23,360
much is that

6976
04:52:23,360 --> 04:52:24,080
>> that's right

6977
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:26,080
>> reducing the rate

6978
04:52:26,080 --> 04:52:28,480
>> by based on those revenues on each one

6979
04:52:28,480 --> 04:52:31,520
so everybody can take a look and compare

6980
04:52:31,520 --> 04:52:34,000
>> which column is working and which isn't

6981
04:52:34,000 --> 04:52:35,920
and where there's consensus and what

6982
04:52:35,920 --> 04:52:37,920
impact that has. So that's my

6983
04:52:37,920 --> 04:52:40,000
recommendation is that's a calculator.

6984
04:52:40,000 --> 04:52:40,958
>> I think that makes sense.

6985
04:52:40,958 --> 04:52:44,240
>> So if you want to pass a brief thing

6986
04:52:44,240 --> 04:52:48,718
summary from there provided earlier um

6987
04:52:48,718 --> 04:52:52,000
just to get an idea that's kosher the

6988
04:52:52,000 --> 04:52:54,560
council members.

6989
04:52:54,560 --> 04:52:57,120
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

6990
04:52:57,120 --> 04:52:59,040
So then we still will have to come back

6991
04:52:59,040 --> 04:53:01,760
together because then at least my memory

6992
04:53:01,760 --> 04:53:06,240
is that we will see uh this document

6993
04:53:06,240 --> 04:53:08,638
right it'll look like this again

6994
04:53:08,638 --> 04:53:09,680
>> this is too

6995
04:53:09,680 --> 04:53:13,040
>> but it'll be like proposed council

6996
04:53:13,040 --> 04:53:15,040
>> right and then that's where we start to

6997
04:53:15,040 --> 04:53:17,440
really talk to each other and figure out

6998
04:53:17,440 --> 04:53:20,718
>> well that's not what he's planning

6999
04:53:20,718 --> 04:53:22,798
to say

7000
04:53:22,798 --> 04:53:23,600
>> go ahead

7001
04:53:23,600 --> 04:53:26,000
>> Mr. council

7002
04:53:26,000 --> 04:53:27,440
until it be

7003
04:53:27,440 --> 04:53:29,600
>> six sheets for

7004
04:53:29,600 --> 04:53:30,000
>> right

7005
04:53:30,000 --> 04:53:32,320
>> we kind of have Mr. Williams is cuz he

7006
04:53:32,320 --> 04:53:33,440
did it that way.

7007
04:53:33,440 --> 04:53:35,360
>> And then we'll go by line. This is what

7008
04:53:35,360 --> 04:53:37,920
people are reporting. Um then we'll have

7009
04:53:37,920 --> 04:53:39,600
negotiations and then we'll all agree on

7010
04:53:39,600 --> 04:53:41,520
that line. Then we'll move to the next

7011
04:53:41,520 --> 04:53:42,638
line and we'll do that.

7012
04:53:42,638 --> 04:53:44,320
>> And and we didn't make changes. I mean

7013
04:53:44,320 --> 04:53:46,400
you guys only made changes to I'm going

7014
04:53:46,400 --> 04:53:48,400
to say I'm guessing like six or seven

7015
04:53:48,400 --> 04:53:50,160
lines all told.

7016
04:53:50,160 --> 04:53:51,760
>> I don't think it's super significant.

7017
04:53:51,760 --> 04:53:53,920
But what we didn't do tonight

7018
04:53:53,920 --> 04:53:55,440
>> as far as I'm concerned is talk about

7019
04:53:55,440 --> 04:53:58,000
where we're changing the expenses.

7020
04:53:58,000 --> 04:53:58,718
I didn't

7021
04:53:58,718 --> 04:54:01,440
>> I mean I did a little bit

7022
04:54:01,440 --> 04:54:04,560
Mr. Williams did too

7023
04:54:04,560 --> 04:54:08,240
>> for Councilman. He said one email

7024
04:54:08,240 --> 04:54:12,320
suggested to reduce management salaries.

7025
04:54:12,320 --> 04:54:15,072
>> Excuse me.

7026
04:54:15,072 --> 04:54:15,120
[clears throat]

7027
04:54:15,120 --> 04:54:16,878
>> No, I asked for your report.

7028
04:54:16,878 --> 04:54:19,520
>> Okay. There was an email saying no man

7029
04:54:19,520 --> 04:54:20,000
salary.

7030
04:54:20,000 --> 04:54:21,760
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that

7031
04:54:21,760 --> 04:54:22,798
was my suggestion.

7032
04:54:22,798 --> 04:54:26,160
>> Okay. So I would have to add I don't

7033
04:54:26,160 --> 04:54:29,120
know 50 something lines for management.

7034
04:54:29,120 --> 04:54:31,840
>> No just everything.

7035
04:54:31,840 --> 04:54:33,200
>> Well just like that.

7036
04:54:33,200 --> 04:54:35,280
>> Yeah that's basic number there.

7037
04:54:35,280 --> 04:54:38,320
>> We would have to know each line how to

7038
04:54:38,320 --> 04:54:40,480
reduce it or keep the same.

7039
04:54:40,480 --> 04:54:42,400
>> Yeah that's when we go to

7040
04:54:42,400 --> 04:54:44,798
>> so that's that's management line. So you

7041
04:54:44,798 --> 04:54:46,000
need 50 different lines for the

7042
04:54:46,000 --> 04:54:46,400
management

7043
04:54:46,400 --> 04:54:50,000
>> each salary. So you have to pro that one

7044
04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:50,560
sheet. Yeah.

7045
04:54:50,560 --> 04:54:54,310
>> Yeah.

7046
04:54:54,320 --> 04:54:56,240
you I think he already did it once. So

7047
04:54:56,240 --> 04:54:58,240
now he would just take the changes and

7048
04:54:58,240 --> 04:55:00,560
do it again.

7049
04:55:00,560 --> 04:55:02,480
>> It was only the only people that talked

7050
04:55:02,480 --> 04:55:06,878
about that was John himself. John was at

7051
04:55:06,878 --> 04:55:08,560
>> but you know I came prepar

7052
04:55:08,560 --> 04:55:09,760
>> right. That's what I'm saying.

7053
04:55:09,760 --> 04:55:11,440
>> And I wanted to move the budget forward.

7054
04:55:11,440 --> 04:55:13,360
That's why we need to you know move

7055
04:55:13,360 --> 04:55:15,040
forward. If not, we're going to have to

7056
04:55:15,040 --> 04:55:17,760
go into next week or this weekend and I

7057
04:55:17,760 --> 04:55:19,040
I'm going to have to discuss with you

7058
04:55:19,040 --> 04:55:21,040
availability because we're going to come

7059
04:55:21,040 --> 04:55:22,638
in Friday here and we're going to still

7060
04:55:22,638 --> 04:55:24,000
talking about we're going to still be

7061
04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:25,920
talking about revenue. We're going to

7062
04:55:25,920 --> 04:55:27,200
still be talking about

7063
04:55:27,200 --> 04:55:29,600
>> No, no, we did that and she missed that

7064
04:55:29,600 --> 04:55:30,480
same person by tomorrow.

7065
04:55:30,480 --> 04:55:32,480
>> Yeah, I'm going to talk

7066
04:55:32,480 --> 04:55:34,400
some of us did not even talk about

7067
04:55:34,400 --> 04:55:35,280
expenditure.

7068
04:55:35,280 --> 04:55:36,638
>> None of us did that

7069
04:55:36,638 --> 04:55:38,638
>> expenditures. Yes, but revenue we did.

7070
04:55:38,638 --> 04:55:41,040
>> Yes, we did. teaching session we touch

7071
04:55:41,040 --> 04:55:43,280
on revenue what about

7072
04:55:43,280 --> 04:55:45,600
>> well we could either do it now but I

7073
04:55:45,600 --> 04:55:48,480
think many of us are tired or we do that

7074
04:55:48,480 --> 04:55:49,680
on Friday

7075
04:55:49,680 --> 04:55:50,400
>> I gave mine

7076
04:55:50,400 --> 04:55:52,878
>> well that's what's going to have to roll

7077
04:55:52,878 --> 04:55:54,000
into another day because you're going to

7078
04:55:54,000 --> 04:55:54,718
have to send it out

7079
04:55:54,718 --> 04:55:56,240
>> I kind of came in here thinking that we

7080
04:55:56,240 --> 04:55:57,520
were going to have to have another day

7081
04:55:57,520 --> 04:55:59,840
because I I mean first of all we went

7082
04:55:59,840 --> 04:56:02,000
already just talking about the revenue I

7083
04:56:02,000 --> 04:56:04,798
think it's like 10 o'clock at night

7084
04:56:04,798 --> 04:56:06,160
at 10:30

7085
04:56:06,160 --> 04:56:10,718
>> 109 10:19 Um, so we still I mean I kind

7086
04:56:10,718 --> 04:56:12,480
of already cleared some stuff from my

7087
04:56:12,480 --> 04:56:14,320
schedule next week because I figured we

7088
04:56:14,320 --> 04:56:16,400
were going to have to go into next week.

7089
04:56:16,400 --> 04:56:18,080
I mean even based on our conversation

7090
04:56:18,080 --> 04:56:19,600
last night. I mean I just thought that

7091
04:56:19,600 --> 04:56:21,120
we were going to have to have

7092
04:56:21,120 --> 04:56:23,120
>> some more days. I think what we need to

7093
04:56:23,120 --> 04:56:25,760
say tonight is everybody needs to give

7094
04:56:25,760 --> 04:56:27,280
their expenditures in. They didn't have

7095
04:56:27,280 --> 04:56:29,360
them tonight

7096
04:56:29,360 --> 04:56:31,920
by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have

7097
04:56:31,920 --> 04:56:33,200
everything to present to put together

7098
04:56:33,200 --> 04:56:35,120
for Friday. It's not even an option. I

7099
04:56:35,120 --> 04:56:37,440
had mine, but what I understood us to do

7100
04:56:37,440 --> 04:56:38,638
that when you're going around the table

7101
04:56:38,638 --> 04:56:40,160
for revenue, you better make another

7102
04:56:40,160 --> 04:56:42,480
circle for expenditure. [clears throat]

7103
04:56:42,480 --> 04:56:44,480
>> And then the second circle didn't

7104
04:56:44,480 --> 04:56:45,280
happen,

7105
04:56:45,280 --> 04:56:46,560
>> right?

7106
04:56:46,560 --> 04:56:48,160
>> I mean, I could sit here for like 10

7107
04:56:48,160 --> 04:56:49,840
minutes and probably, you know, write

7108
04:56:49,840 --> 04:56:51,680
down all my thing. Isn't that I mean, I

7109
04:56:51,680 --> 04:56:53,840
feel like some that you guys were also

7110
04:56:53,840 --> 04:56:55,440
kind of making changes and thinking

7111
04:56:55,440 --> 04:56:57,680
about it because of what we tonight.

7112
04:56:57,680 --> 04:56:59,840
>> Yeah. I mean, so I sent in my revenue

7113
04:56:59,840 --> 04:57:02,400
increases and my expenditures via email

7114
04:57:02,400 --> 04:57:04,240
earlier today. We got

7115
04:57:04,240 --> 04:57:09,270
>> but we got it from

7116
04:57:09,280 --> 04:57:11,040
Miss Patrick. I was very clear yesterday

7117
04:57:11,040 --> 04:57:14,320
evening with you. So please sent in your

7118
04:57:14,320 --> 04:57:15,920
recommendation

7119
04:57:15,920 --> 04:57:18,638
>> right and I'm sorry that I did not also

7120
04:57:18,638 --> 04:57:20,958
wanted to hear additional information

7121
04:57:20,958 --> 04:57:22,878
>> that did not happen. [clears throat]

7122
04:57:22,878 --> 04:57:25,280
>> Um I'm glad that the others uh sent

7123
04:57:25,280 --> 04:57:27,280
their recommendation. One recommendation

7124
04:57:27,280 --> 04:57:30,958
I also had was the uh fees for service

7125
04:57:30,958 --> 04:57:34,000
>> the fees for service. Uh Derek

7126
04:57:34,000 --> 04:57:34,958
>> Yes. Yes.

7127
04:57:34,958 --> 04:57:37,920
>> Uh I would I would my recommendation is

7128
04:57:37,920 --> 04:57:42,000
to also pull a high level uh report of

7129
04:57:42,000 --> 04:57:44,480
how much are we spending towards police

7130
04:57:44,480 --> 04:57:47,680
service across all departments.

7131
04:57:47,680 --> 04:57:51,520
>> And my uh my recommendation was to um

7132
04:57:51,520 --> 04:57:53,840
well for us to consider this is my

7133
04:57:53,840 --> 04:57:56,400
proposal on the master. proposal. I want

7134
04:57:56,400 --> 04:57:58,080
to be very clear with you about

7135
04:57:58,080 --> 04:57:58,560
>> yes

7136
04:57:58,560 --> 04:57:59,920
>> these are all what we're saying here is

7137
04:57:59,920 --> 04:58:01,840
our proposal

7138
04:58:01,840 --> 04:58:04,320
>> so to kind of lower that by 10% across

7139
04:58:04,320 --> 04:58:05,840
the board so that's one of my

7140
04:58:05,840 --> 04:58:07,440
recommendation that should be added as a

7141
04:58:07,440 --> 04:58:09,440
cost reduction

7142
04:58:09,440 --> 04:58:11,200
>> and that's the mail that was sent to the

7143
04:58:11,200 --> 04:58:13,680
and everybody was happy

7144
04:58:13,680 --> 04:58:15,200
>> and

7145
04:58:15,200 --> 04:58:18,320
this is the uh theater services you want

7146
04:58:18,320 --> 04:58:21,830
to pass

7147
04:58:21,840 --> 04:58:23,760
I think you have something you want to

7148
04:58:23,760 --> 04:58:26,958
add to say It's about the local law.

7149
04:58:26,958 --> 04:58:27,760
>> I'll be your pardon.

7150
04:58:27,760 --> 04:58:31,680
>> The local law go regarding the override

7151
04:58:31,680 --> 04:58:32,560
>> of the tax.

7152
04:58:32,560 --> 04:58:34,320
>> Oh, good.

7153
04:58:34,320 --> 04:58:35,680
>> Oh, you want to talk about that?

7154
04:58:35,680 --> 04:58:38,958
>> Yeah. Based on

7155
04:58:38,958 --> 04:58:39,600
Gota,

7156
04:58:39,600 --> 04:58:43,840
>> you know, that falls into what as far as

7157
04:58:43,840 --> 04:58:45,040
you go.

7158
04:58:45,040 --> 04:58:49,120
>> The total proposed 2022 budget carried

7159
04:58:49,120 --> 04:58:53,280
$2.6 $6 million of these

7160
04:58:53,280 --> 04:58:56,080
>> fees facilities that don't also include

7161
04:58:56,080 --> 04:58:57,120
training.

7162
04:58:57,120 --> 04:58:59,120
>> These are registers, I guess. Yes.

7163
04:58:59,120 --> 04:59:00,718
>> Okay.

7164
04:59:00,718 --> 04:59:04,718
>> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?

7165
04:59:04,718 --> 04:59:06,000
This document you just got, right? I

7166
04:59:06,000 --> 04:59:06,878
didn't hear what you're saying because I

7167
04:59:06,878 --> 04:59:07,600
was looking

7168
04:59:07,600 --> 04:59:10,480
>> This document

7169
04:59:10,480 --> 04:59:12,320
>> is for fees for service and also

7170
04:59:12,320 --> 04:59:13,280
training.

7171
04:59:13,280 --> 04:59:14,718
>> Oh, that's good because that is the

7172
04:59:14,718 --> 04:59:15,520
other thing that

7173
04:59:15,520 --> 04:59:19,200
>> it's $2.6 million.

7174
04:59:19,200 --> 04:59:20,480
That was one of the things that I think

7175
04:59:20,480 --> 04:59:21,520
I mentioned to you.

7176
04:59:21,520 --> 04:59:23,040
>> Yeah, we did talk about this last

7177
04:59:23,040 --> 04:59:23,760
training. Yeah,

7178
04:59:23,760 --> 04:59:25,920
>> the training. So, my recommendation is

7179
04:59:25,920 --> 04:59:27,840
that based on this, I would like to see

7180
04:59:27,840 --> 04:59:30,080
uh my recommendation a 10% reduction

7181
04:59:30,080 --> 04:59:32,240
across

7182
04:59:32,240 --> 04:59:33,840
>> 10%

7183
04:59:33,840 --> 04:59:36,638
reduction in these lines each department

7184
04:59:36,638 --> 04:59:38,560
>> all together%

7185
04:59:38,560 --> 04:59:40,160
>> that's my recommendation. It's my

7186
04:59:40,160 --> 04:59:43,360
recommendation. You know how I mean

7187
04:59:43,360 --> 04:59:45,920
>> before you do that

7188
04:59:45,920 --> 04:59:48,958
come in and talk about their feast.

7189
04:59:48,958 --> 04:59:51,280
>> We already reduce them drastically.

7190
04:59:51,280 --> 04:59:53,520
>> I mean I think we took notes from every

7191
04:59:53,520 --> 04:59:57,040
department but the briefs in place where

7192
04:59:57,040 --> 04:59:58,160
>> we can't just do it.

7193
04:59:58,160 --> 05:00:01,040
>> You can't just cut it and [snorts] it's

7194
05:00:01,040 --> 05:00:02,480
I would recommend that if you really

7195
05:00:02,480 --> 05:00:04,718
wanted to entertaining decreasing it

7196
05:00:04,718 --> 05:00:06,480
even further.

7197
05:00:06,480 --> 05:00:09,760
>> What do you see? um like there's been I

7198
05:00:09,760 --> 05:00:13,520
see the first um A1010 404

7199
05:00:13,520 --> 05:00:15,840
that was actually more than cut in half.

7200
05:00:15,840 --> 05:00:17,600
So I do see what you're talking about.

7201
05:00:17,600 --> 05:00:20,000
However, um if I jump to the very next

7202
05:00:20,000 --> 05:00:21,840
one and I don't know which department

7203
05:00:21,840 --> 05:00:25,280
these are A1310 124 the exact same

7204
05:00:25,280 --> 05:00:28,480
amount. So some have been reduced um

7205
05:00:28,480 --> 05:00:30,320
considerably and others have remained

7206
05:00:30,320 --> 05:00:35,200
the same. So do we um only ask the

7207
05:00:35,200 --> 05:00:38,240
people who's if we must do this do we

7208
05:00:38,240 --> 05:00:41,040
only ask the people who remain the same

7209
05:00:41,040 --> 05:00:42,638
when we talk about cutting in another

7210
05:00:42,638 --> 05:00:44,718
10% like if this is remain

7211
05:00:44,718 --> 05:00:48,390
>> so that one

7212
05:00:48,400 --> 05:00:51,360
35 finance and we usually [laughter]

7213
05:00:51,360 --> 05:00:55,120
keep that the same that's most audit

7214
05:00:55,120 --> 05:00:57,360
services that for the annual audit and

7215
05:00:57,360 --> 05:01:02,480
there's other u that you know you house.

7216
05:01:02,480 --> 05:01:05,600
>> And there's 1340

7217
05:01:05,600 --> 05:01:06,878
didn't change.

7218
05:01:06,878 --> 05:01:09,200
>> So, some of these didn't change.

7219
05:01:09,200 --> 05:01:11,440
>> Um, a lot of the ones seem like they

7220
05:01:11,440 --> 05:01:13,200
really didn't change. And this one was

7221
05:01:13,200 --> 05:01:14,480
not significantly. I don't know what

7222
05:01:14,480 --> 05:01:16,798
they are. So,

7223
05:01:16,798 --> 05:01:21,520
>> some I believe one that was I believe

7224
05:01:21,520 --> 05:01:26,240
Scott and he consolidated some of that

7225
05:01:26,240 --> 05:01:31,030
department. That's why I

7226
05:01:31,040 --> 05:01:34,708
» follow

7227
05:01:34,718 --> 05:01:36,718
that. Let me follow up. But look at the

7228
05:01:36,718 --> 05:01:39,760
reported essentially and we have this as

7229
05:01:39,760 --> 05:01:41,040
the report.

7230
05:01:41,040 --> 05:01:42,638
>> I don't

7231
05:01:42,638 --> 05:01:43,600
know. You're sitting here.

7232
05:01:43,600 --> 05:01:46,240
>> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?

7233
05:01:46,240 --> 05:01:49,200
>> Thank you.

7234
05:01:49,200 --> 05:01:50,798
>> Is there anything that would help you

7235
05:01:50,798 --> 05:01:52,798
digest the document a little further

7236
05:01:52,798 --> 05:01:54,560
because you see numbers fee for

7237
05:01:54,560 --> 05:01:57,600
services? I'm gonna go back

7238
05:01:57,600 --> 05:01:59,040
>> look at the number and then I'm gonna

7239
05:01:59,040 --> 05:02:00,320
look at this

7240
05:02:00,320 --> 05:02:01,920
>> and then I'm going to look at my notes

7241
05:02:01,920 --> 05:02:04,560
from the term

7242
05:02:04,560 --> 05:02:06,798
presentations and that will help me

7243
05:02:06,798 --> 05:02:09,920
decide whether we can or cannot reduce

7244
05:02:09,920 --> 05:02:12,080
these based on what the line is right

7245
05:02:12,080 --> 05:02:13,200
everybody

7246
05:02:13,200 --> 05:02:14,878
>> I mean I could just refer to the budget

7247
05:02:14,878 --> 05:02:17,840
but if it's if it's nothing click it all

7248
05:02:17,840 --> 05:02:19,600
be there you have to enter

7249
05:02:19,600 --> 05:02:23,698
>> otherwise I'm going to

7250
05:02:23,708 --> 05:02:24,638
[laughter]

7251
05:02:24,638 --> 05:02:24,878
say

7252
05:02:24,878 --> 05:02:26,400
>> he said He doesn't have to put it in

7253
05:02:26,400 --> 05:02:28,878
manual. It'll just it'll fill so he can

7254
05:02:28,878 --> 05:02:29,520
filter.

7255
05:02:29,520 --> 05:02:31,440
>> All right. Let me just take a pause for

7256
05:02:31,440 --> 05:02:34,798
a minute on you

7257
05:02:34,798 --> 05:02:37,920
call brief on Monday.

7258
05:02:37,920 --> 05:02:38,798
I forget.

7259
05:02:38,798 --> 05:02:42,878
>> Okay. Um briefly um you've got the draft

7260
05:02:42,878 --> 05:02:45,280
ordinance budget ordinance looks the

7261
05:02:45,280 --> 05:02:47,280
same as in half years. It's a matter of

7262
05:02:47,280 --> 05:02:50,000
filling in the amounts. What changes is

7263
05:02:50,000 --> 05:02:52,320
the proposed tax cap override the tax

7264
05:02:52,320 --> 05:02:54,480
cap. The state law mandates that you

7265
05:02:54,480 --> 05:02:58,240
pass a local law authorizing the tax cap

7266
05:02:58,240 --> 05:03:00,718
on override.

7267
05:03:00,718 --> 05:03:03,360
>> There's certain procedures. Procedures

7268
05:03:03,360 --> 05:03:06,000
are that we I've given you the draft.

7269
05:03:06,000 --> 05:03:08,240
This is mon other cities that have done

7270
05:03:08,240 --> 05:03:11,920
this the legislation.

7271
05:03:11,920 --> 05:03:14,560
If for example you're planning on

7272
05:03:14,560 --> 05:03:16,718
passing the budget on Monday night in

7273
05:03:16,718 --> 05:03:18,480
the regular council you have to ask for

7274
05:03:18,480 --> 05:03:20,080
unanimous consent because you're not

7275
05:03:20,080 --> 05:03:22,400
going to be at least vote on it because

7276
05:03:22,400 --> 05:03:24,080
it's going to be majestically agenda

7277
05:03:24,080 --> 05:03:27,360
prior after tomorrow

7278
05:03:27,360 --> 05:03:30,400
that the on a local law as we went

7279
05:03:30,400 --> 05:03:33,120
through the local law earlier this year

7280
05:03:33,120 --> 05:03:36,320
has to be on the desk for seven days.

7281
05:03:36,320 --> 05:03:39,360
Mayor, the mayor can ask for a message

7282
05:03:39,360 --> 05:03:41,680
of necessity, which is a letter to the

7283
05:03:41,680 --> 05:03:45,360
council saying that that the the uh the

7284
05:03:45,360 --> 05:03:48,638
requirement from the the uh statute or

7285
05:03:48,638 --> 05:03:51,760
wave that you introduce it and vote it

7286
05:03:51,760 --> 05:03:54,000
on the same night. The proposed

7287
05:03:54,000 --> 05:03:56,718
legislation is before you. It is the

7288
05:03:56,718 --> 05:04:00,000
intent of the of the local law to uh

7289
05:04:00,000 --> 05:04:01,840
permit but not require the city of

7290
05:04:01,840 --> 05:04:07,120
Skenity to go of the tax c So

7291
05:04:07,120 --> 05:04:10,638
bottom line, this local law, it's got to

7292
05:04:10,638 --> 05:04:13,440
be passed prior to adopting the budget.

7293
05:04:13,440 --> 05:04:16,638
The mayor must send you message of

7294
05:04:16,638 --> 05:04:19,760
necessity the first plan on Monday night

7295
05:04:19,760 --> 05:04:22,718
hearing. Um that means local law will

7296
05:04:22,718 --> 05:04:25,040
have to be introduced and voted upon

7297
05:04:25,040 --> 05:04:28,080
that same night and the budget will be

7298
05:04:28,080 --> 05:04:30,718
adopted that same day. And the

7299
05:04:30,718 --> 05:04:32,798
alternative if you're what I am

7300
05:04:32,798 --> 05:04:35,600
recommending this local law introduced

7301
05:04:35,600 --> 05:04:38,320
and be voted on on Monday night. If the

7302
05:04:38,320 --> 05:04:41,840
budget ordinance needs to be take a few

7303
05:04:41,840 --> 05:04:44,718
days past that you have the local law

7304
05:04:44,718 --> 05:04:46,798
pass

7305
05:04:46,798 --> 05:04:50,560
and it's below the tax cap. It's below

7306
05:04:50,560 --> 05:04:53,200
the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The

7307
05:04:53,200 --> 05:04:56,400
local law is in place. That's what um

7308
05:04:56,400 --> 05:04:58,480
the the the calculations that the

7309
05:04:58,480 --> 05:05:00,400
finance department are going to do, the

7310
05:05:00,400 --> 05:05:03,120
finance commissioner are going to look

7311
05:05:03,120 --> 05:05:05,120
at you're going to see what what how

7312
05:05:05,120 --> 05:05:07,120
that impacts the tax cap. There's a

7313
05:05:07,120 --> 05:05:09,600
formula under the general municipal law

7314
05:05:09,600 --> 05:05:11,520
that the finance commissioner looks at

7315
05:05:11,520 --> 05:05:13,680
based on

7316
05:05:13,680 --> 05:05:18,000
the rates and tax base etc. the city of

7317
05:05:18,000 --> 05:05:19,680
connectivity. It's all out laid out in

7318
05:05:19,680 --> 05:05:21,872
the general municipal law. E

7319
05:05:21,872 --> 05:05:22,560
[clears throat]

7320
05:05:22,560 --> 05:05:25,520
based on the numbers that you've come to

7321
05:05:25,520 --> 05:05:27,840
and look at that formula and then say oh

7322
05:05:27,840 --> 05:05:30,958
this is these these you're above or

7323
05:05:30,958 --> 05:05:34,320
below the tax cap.

7324
05:05:34,320 --> 05:05:37,840
So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as

7325
05:05:37,840 --> 05:05:39,760
we go through this process, you know,

7326
05:05:39,760 --> 05:05:44,400
Friday that or Mon or Saturday, um, that

7327
05:05:44,400 --> 05:05:46,160
at the very least the finance committee

7328
05:05:46,160 --> 05:05:48,718
votes out of committee that this local

7329
05:05:48,718 --> 05:05:51,920
law be introduced and voted upon. So, at

7330
05:05:51,920 --> 05:05:54,160
least you have that. Now, advice this

7331
05:05:54,160 --> 05:05:56,160
weekend, you may know that you may be

7332
05:05:56,160 --> 05:05:58,320
below that tax gap and that you wouldn't

7333
05:05:58,320 --> 05:06:02,560
have to worry about that. But if if it's

7334
05:06:02,560 --> 05:06:04,958
not getting to where you want to go, you

7335
05:06:04,958 --> 05:06:07,280
should have that local law squared away.

7336
05:06:07,280 --> 05:06:09,200
It does the local woman doesn't commit

7337
05:06:09,200 --> 05:06:11,520
to it [clears throat] and just allows.

7338
05:06:11,520 --> 05:06:12,080
>> Can we do

7339
05:06:12,080 --> 05:06:13,280
>> I understand, you know,

7340
05:06:13,280 --> 05:06:16,000
>> can we vote on that tonight so that we

7341
05:06:16,000 --> 05:06:18,638
can get it onto the agenda for

7342
05:06:18,638 --> 05:06:19,840
council meeting? This is a committee

7343
05:06:19,840 --> 05:06:20,240
meeting.

7344
05:06:20,240 --> 05:06:22,718
>> This is a committee meeting.

7345
05:06:22,718 --> 05:06:24,718
No, no. But I recommend that you hold

7346
05:06:24,718 --> 05:06:27,680
off on voting the local committee until

7347
05:06:27,680 --> 05:06:30,400
you get further information numbers from

7348
05:06:30,400 --> 05:06:31,680
the finance department.

7349
05:06:31,680 --> 05:06:33,040
>> No, we're not voting on anything

7350
05:06:33,040 --> 05:06:36,150
tonight.

7351
05:06:36,160 --> 05:06:38,160
» And that's that's all I have.

7352
05:06:38,160 --> 05:06:40,718
>> That's question. Mr. Brian, would you

7353
05:06:40,718 --> 05:06:44,400
please when you find the uh the

7354
05:06:44,400 --> 05:06:46,718
originating documents for the fund for

7355
05:06:46,718 --> 05:06:48,080
the golf fund, could you forward those

7356
05:06:48,080 --> 05:06:48,958
over to me, please?

7357
05:06:48,958 --> 05:06:49,280
>> Yes.

7358
05:06:49,280 --> 05:06:51,680
>> Thank you, sir. a look at the ordinance

7359
05:06:51,680 --> 05:06:53,200
and I got talked to the finance

7360
05:06:53,200 --> 05:06:57,280
commission. I just like to see if that's

7361
05:06:57,280 --> 05:07:01,280
>> and just you gave some recommendations

7362
05:07:01,280 --> 05:07:05,760
on how excuse me should um provide

7363
05:07:05,760 --> 05:07:08,400
information from as individually. So it

7364
05:07:08,400 --> 05:07:10,480
was individual sheets for each person

7365
05:07:10,480 --> 05:07:11,920
with our recommendations and then you

7366
05:07:11,920 --> 05:07:13,520
said some else

7367
05:07:13,520 --> 05:07:15,520
>> and how those you know each one of those

7368
05:07:15,520 --> 05:07:18,638
additions that you've made or a deletion

7369
05:07:18,638 --> 05:07:21,200
that we've made how with the total

7370
05:07:21,200 --> 05:07:24,320
numbers how that would impact the tax

7371
05:07:24,320 --> 05:07:26,958
rate based on each one of those those

7372
05:07:26,958 --> 05:07:28,958
columns but then they would have give

7373
05:07:28,958 --> 05:07:31,200
him what we would be willing to I don't

7374
05:07:31,200 --> 05:07:32,638
think he talked everyone talked about

7375
05:07:32,638 --> 05:07:34,718
what we would be willing to take out of

7376
05:07:34,718 --> 05:07:35,840
our reserve

7377
05:07:35,840 --> 05:07:38,400
>> with the expenses we didn't do expenses

7378
05:07:38,400 --> 05:07:40,240
So,

7379
05:07:40,240 --> 05:07:42,798
>> but we can can I just say couldn't that

7380
05:07:42,798 --> 05:07:46,638
be um the six of us our things could be

7381
05:07:46,638 --> 05:07:49,440
on one spreadsheet so we see across the

7382
05:07:49,440 --> 05:07:51,360
you know what I mean like it might be

7383
05:07:51,360 --> 05:07:53,280
that

7384
05:07:53,280 --> 05:07:55,040
>> five of the six of us have the same

7385
05:07:55,040 --> 05:07:56,638
exact

7386
05:07:56,638 --> 05:07:58,718
>> if we see it all in one spreadsheet

7387
05:07:58,718 --> 05:08:00,638
across the board we might all have the

7388
05:08:00,638 --> 05:08:01,280
same

7389
05:08:01,280 --> 05:08:03,680
>> things I mean can you do that if we

7390
05:08:03,680 --> 05:08:06,560
>> we'll take a look and see if it's easy

7391
05:08:06,560 --> 05:08:07,588
on the

7392
05:08:07,588 --> 05:08:07,760
>> [laughter]

7393
05:08:07,760 --> 05:08:09,040
>> Okay.

7394
05:08:09,040 --> 05:08:10,080
>> Put on a legal sheet

7395
05:08:10,080 --> 05:08:11,360
>> that on a legal sheet. That's what

7396
05:08:11,360 --> 05:08:12,080
exactly.

7397
05:08:12,080 --> 05:08:15,360
>> So we can go two line by line.

7398
05:08:15,360 --> 05:08:15,600
So

7399
05:08:15,600 --> 05:08:19,120
>> the column would be John, Dorene,

7400
05:08:19,120 --> 05:08:20,000
Mary.

7401
05:08:20,000 --> 05:08:22,320
>> So yes, do it on one sheet.

7402
05:08:22,320 --> 05:08:25,600
>> If you can again consolidate the notes,

7403
05:08:25,600 --> 05:08:27,520
but just make sure you have everything

7404
05:08:27,520 --> 05:08:32,080
on paper correct. Send an email. I don't

7405
05:08:32,080 --> 05:08:34,000
>> I was about to say that.

7406
05:08:34,000 --> 05:08:35,840
I'm going to remind you again with all

7407
05:08:35,840 --> 05:08:39,440
respect you please please please send in

7408
05:08:39,440 --> 05:08:41,760
your proposal. I do not want to come

7409
05:08:41,760 --> 05:08:45,040
here Friday and you still have proposal.

7410
05:08:45,040 --> 05:08:48,240
I want to give the finance commissioner

7411
05:08:48,240 --> 05:08:52,000
>> the the absolute time to go and revise

7412
05:08:52,000 --> 05:08:54,000
their sheet and bring it back to us

7413
05:08:54,000 --> 05:08:55,280
private.

7414
05:08:55,280 --> 05:08:55,600
>> Right.

7415
05:08:55,600 --> 05:08:57,920
>> We should not be well we should put this

7416
05:08:57,920 --> 05:09:00,480
in and we should put this in. I'm giving

7417
05:09:00,480 --> 05:09:02,320
y'all enough time

7418
05:09:02,320 --> 05:09:04,000
>> to to get that information in.

7419
05:09:04,000 --> 05:09:04,798
>> So for expenses

7420
05:09:04,798 --> 05:09:08,240
>> for this team to to expense revenue,

7421
05:09:08,240 --> 05:09:10,400
expenditure in and out, whatever you

7422
05:09:10,400 --> 05:09:12,400
want to do. You want to add expenditure,

7423
05:09:12,400 --> 05:09:14,798
you want to reduce expenditure, you want

7424
05:09:14,798 --> 05:09:16,160
to increase revenue, you want to

7425
05:09:16,160 --> 05:09:19,440
decrease revenue, please submit it. I'm

7426
05:09:19,440 --> 05:09:21,280
going to reach out to Mr. Williams and

7427
05:09:21,280 --> 05:09:23,920
ask him if he has anything more.

7428
05:09:23,920 --> 05:09:26,958
And if he does, he's very good at email

7429
05:09:26,958 --> 05:09:29,120
and follow to that clinic stop. So, I'm

7430
05:09:29,120 --> 05:09:30,638
going to ask the rest of us here, the

7431
05:09:30,638 --> 05:09:34,878
five of us, please get that over

7432
05:09:34,878 --> 05:09:37,040
>> if I you trying to get that in one

7433
05:09:37,040 --> 05:09:38,638
document. Is that what you're looking

7434
05:09:38,638 --> 05:09:38,798
for?

7435
05:09:38,798 --> 05:09:42,160
>> I would just like

7436
05:09:42,160 --> 05:09:43,440
one.

7437
05:09:43,440 --> 05:09:45,920
>> No, it's not one sheet per person.

7438
05:09:45,920 --> 05:09:48,560
>> Yes. One sheet so we can look at John.

7439
05:09:48,560 --> 05:09:50,240
>> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one

7440
05:09:50,240 --> 05:09:53,360
sheet. Is that what you're saying?

7441
05:09:53,360 --> 05:09:55,280
>> John wants these revenues, these

7442
05:09:55,280 --> 05:09:57,040
expenditures.

7443
05:09:57,040 --> 05:09:58,878
30 months, these revenues, these

7444
05:09:58,878 --> 05:10:01,120
expenditures. So I so I know exactly we

7445
05:10:01,120 --> 05:10:05,600
wrote down show exactly everything.

7446
05:10:05,600 --> 05:10:07,600
Um but Michael has it there. So you can

7447
05:10:07,600 --> 05:10:09,120
follow the

7448
05:10:09,120 --> 05:10:10,958
>> she doesn't have expenditure.

7449
05:10:10,958 --> 05:10:26,868
She just has the revenue.

7450
05:10:26,878 --> 05:10:33,750
So conservative.

7451
05:10:33,760 --> 05:10:35,280
» That's fine.

7452
05:10:35,280 --> 05:10:38,718
>> John, you're going to do it.

7453
05:10:38,718 --> 05:10:41,280
>> We we were going through detail and we

7454
05:10:41,280 --> 05:10:43,440
were making sure that the commission of

7455
05:10:43,440 --> 05:10:45,200
finance was taking notes and M. Michael

7456
05:10:45,200 --> 05:10:46,798
was taking notes in terms of our

7457
05:10:46,798 --> 05:10:49,280
recommendation one by one.

7458
05:10:49,280 --> 05:10:54,560
Please like that or as we suggested

7459
05:10:54,560 --> 05:10:56,480
email whatever additional

7460
05:10:56,480 --> 05:10:59,520
>> yes exactly that's what I just echo if

7461
05:10:59,520 --> 05:11:02,480
you have additional expenditure in or

7462
05:11:02,480 --> 05:11:06,400
out revenue in or out please email it

7463
05:11:06,400 --> 05:11:08,400
and that will be added under your name

7464
05:11:08,400 --> 05:11:09,680
under your account

7465
05:11:09,680 --> 05:11:11,840
>> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments

7466
05:11:11,840 --> 05:11:14,718
to any of the funds I said maybe golf

7467
05:11:14,718 --> 05:11:19,440
depending on what uh we find Right.

7468
05:11:19,440 --> 05:11:22,638
I didn't hear anything.

7469
05:11:22,638 --> 05:11:25,040
>> Yes, I I did have one about the capital

7470
05:11:25,040 --> 05:11:27,920
fund wondering if we can buy fewer EV. I

7471
05:11:27,920 --> 05:11:30,638
put it in my thing. Maybe I overlooked

7472
05:11:30,638 --> 05:11:32,958
the guess. Can we purchase only six EV

7473
05:11:32,958 --> 05:11:35,600
charging stations um only one rail

7474
05:11:35,600 --> 05:11:37,520
loader. So, it was because those were

7475
05:11:37,520 --> 05:11:38,798
expense lines and we didn't get there.

7476
05:11:38,798 --> 05:11:39,760
So, I'll send it in again.

7477
05:11:39,760 --> 05:11:42,160
>> Can you please send that in? And

7478
05:11:42,160 --> 05:11:44,400
everyone on the the proposal, please add

7479
05:11:44,400 --> 05:11:46,798
it as a expenditure.

7480
05:11:46,798 --> 05:11:49,120
>> Yep. And I I have an extension, but

7481
05:11:49,120 --> 05:11:50,718
again, we never got there.

7482
05:11:50,718 --> 05:11:54,718
>> Mr. Williams, this was complete.

7483
05:11:54,718 --> 05:11:56,240
>> Are we going to that?

7484
05:11:56,240 --> 05:11:57,760
>> So, more than likely we'll have to meet

7485
05:11:57,760 --> 05:11:59,200
again next week. So, I don't know. I

7486
05:11:59,200 --> 05:12:01,200
mean, we have we have a they have a

7487
05:12:01,200 --> 05:12:04,080
short meeting Monday,

7488
05:12:04,080 --> 05:12:06,400
city council meeting. So, we can I can

7489
05:12:06,400 --> 05:12:10,080
meet earlier and then later.

7490
05:12:10,080 --> 05:12:13,120
>> I haven't either probably. I think that

7491
05:12:13,120 --> 05:12:14,958
we have to consider people that work

7492
05:12:14,958 --> 05:12:17,040
during the day.

7493
05:12:17,040 --> 05:12:20,000
Well, we can do 5:30 Monday, then break

7494
05:12:20,000 --> 05:12:22,958
for recess and go to

7495
05:12:22,958 --> 05:12:24,160
this.

7496
05:12:24,160 --> 05:12:28,320
>> Yes, cuz that was fun. You're right.

7497
05:12:28,320 --> 05:12:28,798
>> Tuesday,

7498
05:12:28,798 --> 05:12:31,760
>> we we got to

7499
05:12:31,760 --> 05:12:33,920
>> Mr. Chairman, do you do you intend to

7500
05:12:33,920 --> 05:12:36,240
have the the budget pass in a special

7501
05:12:36,240 --> 05:12:38,798
meeting or an adjourned meeting? And if

7502
05:12:38,798 --> 05:12:41,120
a special meeting has to be specially

7503
05:12:41,120 --> 05:12:43,280
noticed, other words, we're just having

7504
05:12:43,280 --> 05:12:45,840
business on on Monday

7505
05:12:45,840 --> 05:12:47,520
special meeting

7506
05:12:47,520 --> 05:12:50,638
>> by Thursday with a with a notice for

7507
05:12:50,638 --> 05:12:51,680
next Thursday.

7508
05:12:51,680 --> 05:12:54,320
>> Well, uh, I'm glad you touched on that.

7509
05:12:54,320 --> 05:12:56,480
My intention was to have the budget up

7510
05:12:56,480 --> 05:12:58,560
or down and see where we stand on Friday

7511
05:12:58,560 --> 05:13:01,440
by having everybody propose a

7512
05:13:01,440 --> 05:13:03,760
move forward with a a high level

7513
05:13:03,760 --> 05:13:06,400
discussion Friday and we see where we

7514
05:13:06,400 --> 05:13:08,718
stand and then eventually if we all

7515
05:13:08,718 --> 05:13:10,798
agreement or with agreement majority

7516
05:13:10,798 --> 05:13:12,958
agreement we move it out to committee

7517
05:13:12,958 --> 05:13:18,320
and then we ask for unanimous consent on the floor for Monday. But

7518
05:13:18,320 --> 05:13:20,958
I don't know where we stand right now

7519
05:13:20,958 --> 05:13:23,120
because we still have outstanding stuff

7520
05:13:23,120 --> 05:13:26,400
to make and it's unfair to the finance

7521
05:13:26,400 --> 05:13:29,280
team to give these top 10 at the last

7522
05:13:29,280 --> 05:13:32,160
minute and I expect them to deliver a

7523
05:13:32,160 --> 05:13:34,400
report to us.

7524
05:13:34,400 --> 05:13:36,958
So I ask that you please please

7525
05:13:36,958 --> 05:13:39,200
including myself. I've been very open

7526
05:13:39,200 --> 05:13:41,120
about my emails. I copied everybody by

7527
05:13:41,120 --> 05:13:44,240
email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask

7528
05:13:44,240 --> 05:13:46,798
you to do the same thing cuz if we don't

7529
05:13:46,798 --> 05:13:49,120
if we if we come here Friday, we're

7530
05:13:49,120 --> 05:13:51,120
going to have to I'm going to have to

7531
05:13:51,120 --> 05:13:53,360
start maybe we're going to have to start

7532
05:13:53,360 --> 05:13:57,360
reserve days from tonight or tomorrow

7533
05:13:57,360 --> 05:13:58,160
until next week.

7534
05:13:58,160 --> 05:14:00,160
>> We already have Friday schedule. So, if

7535
05:14:00,160 --> 05:14:01,120
we're going to do anything tomorrow,

7536
05:14:01,120 --> 05:14:02,240
we're going to have to schedule it

7537
05:14:02,240 --> 05:14:04,000
>> because we have the three we need three

7538
05:14:04,000 --> 05:14:04,878
days.

7539
05:14:04,878 --> 05:14:07,360
>> Can we Can we do that right now? Can we

7540
05:14:07,360 --> 05:14:10,080
suggest days right now? I'm going to be

7541
05:14:10,080 --> 05:14:11,760
cancelling. I figured I was going to

7542
05:14:11,760 --> 05:14:13,120
need next [clears throat] week. I am

7543
05:14:13,120 --> 05:14:15,520
cancelling the housing uh task force for

7544
05:14:15,520 --> 05:14:17,040
Tuesday. It's going to be later in

7545
05:14:17,040 --> 05:14:18,878
November. I mentioned it to Sam, but I

7546
05:14:18,878 --> 05:14:20,160
haven't had a chance to write that out

7547
05:14:20,160 --> 05:14:23,680
yet. Um so we I was trying to free up a

7548
05:14:23,680 --> 05:14:26,798
night and so I could do Saturday. I have

7549
05:14:26,798 --> 05:14:29,200
to cancel something, but I could do

7550
05:14:29,200 --> 05:14:31,200
Saturday. I could do Monday. I could do

7551
05:14:31,200 --> 05:14:32,480
Tuesday.

7552
05:14:32,480 --> 05:14:35,120
>> What's

7553
05:14:35,120 --> 05:14:38,400
Oh, today's Wednesday.

7554
05:14:38,400 --> 05:14:38,878
So

7555
05:14:38,878 --> 05:14:43,590
>> have to be Thursday. [laughter]

7556
05:14:43,600 --> 05:14:46,080
» So we have Friday.

7557
05:14:46,080 --> 05:14:48,638
>> So I mean are people able to well I know

7558
05:14:48,638 --> 05:14:54,708
we have to ask Mr. Williams too but

7559
05:14:54,718 --> 05:14:58,000
» I I think we have to but then we have to

7560
05:14:58,000 --> 05:15:00,400
accommodate so we have to be considerate

7561
05:15:00,400 --> 05:15:02,798
of the final staff on Saturdays.

7562
05:15:02,798 --> 05:15:07,590
>> Okay then. Yes.

7563
05:15:07,600 --> 05:15:09,440
So

7564
05:15:09,440 --> 05:15:11,520
Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday

7565
05:15:11,520 --> 05:15:12,638
work for folks.

7566
05:15:12,638 --> 05:15:14,718
>> Whatever day we choose going forward

7567
05:15:14,718 --> 05:15:18,240
now, we need the finance team

7568
05:15:18,240 --> 05:15:21,040
>> with us.

7569
05:15:21,040 --> 05:15:23,600
>> I'm just going to do it for Saturday.

7570
05:15:23,600 --> 05:15:25,040
That's three days and then we'll be

7571
05:15:25,040 --> 05:15:27,600
available Monday. Well, I think he's

7572
05:15:27,600 --> 05:15:28,560
saying that he doesn't want to

7573
05:15:28,560 --> 05:15:36,310
necessarily have the financing

7574
05:15:36,320 --> 05:15:37,680
at seven. So, we can come in

7575
05:15:37,680 --> 05:15:40,000
>> Tuesday, Wednesday.

7576
05:15:40,000 --> 05:15:41,280
>> You're open those three days.

7577
05:15:41,280 --> 05:15:44,240
>> Any of those days? Yeah.

7578
05:15:44,240 --> 05:15:45,840
>> I don't know when they'll get the call

7579
05:15:45,840 --> 05:15:47,280
or right.

7580
05:15:47,280 --> 05:15:47,920
>> I know.

7581
05:15:47,920 --> 05:15:49,680
>> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about

7582
05:15:49,680 --> 05:15:50,798
that you guys?

7583
05:15:50,798 --> 05:15:55,590
>> We're already scheduing.

7584
05:15:55,600 --> 05:15:57,200
We're having Monday and Tuesday.

7585
05:15:57,200 --> 05:15:59,920
>> Monday and Tuesday.

7586
05:15:59,920 --> 05:16:07,430
>> Do we want mid Saturday?

7587
05:16:07,440 --> 05:16:10,240
So

7588
05:16:10,240 --> 05:16:11,360
what time we consider

7589
05:16:11,360 --> 05:16:14,638
>> Monday 5 5:30

7590
05:16:14,638 --> 05:16:17,280
>> Monday 5:30

7591
05:16:17,280 --> 05:16:20,638
>> and then we recess and we

7592
05:16:20,638 --> 05:16:22,400
>> go to council meeting

7593
05:16:22,400 --> 05:16:24,240
>> and then we'll we'll reconvene right

7594
05:16:24,240 --> 05:16:25,200
after that

7595
05:16:25,200 --> 05:16:25,920
>> okay

7596
05:16:25,920 --> 05:16:27,600
>> that meeting and continue our

7597
05:16:27,600 --> 05:16:28,878
deliberation if we

7598
05:16:28,878 --> 05:16:29,520
>> interest

7599
05:16:29,520 --> 05:16:32,080
>> if we happen to come to an agreement

7600
05:16:32,080 --> 05:16:35,040
Friday then we just disregard those

7601
05:16:35,040 --> 05:16:35,760
dates

7602
05:16:35,760 --> 05:16:38,160
>> question do we have to do a notice for

7603
05:16:38,160 --> 05:16:40,000
Monday if we're in recess now if we're

7604
05:16:40,000 --> 05:16:41,760
just going to reconvene Monday prior to

7605
05:16:41,760 --> 05:16:43,360
our 7 o'clock meeting.

7606
05:16:43,360 --> 05:16:45,440
>> Yeah.

7607
05:16:45,440 --> 05:16:48,480
>> Come in Friday anyway.

7608
05:16:48,480 --> 05:16:49,200
>> Didn't get a notice. [clears throat]

7609
05:16:49,200 --> 05:16:50,638
>> You have to give public.

7610
05:16:50,638 --> 05:16:52,160
>> This is the meeting apart from the

7611
05:16:52,160 --> 05:16:53,760
council meeting.

7612
05:16:53,760 --> 05:16:57,200
>> Notice I thought because we recess

7613
05:16:57,200 --> 05:16:59,520
>> and the thing the ordinance the budget

7614
05:16:59,520 --> 05:17:01,600
ordinance in the local law that that has

7615
05:17:01,600 --> 05:17:03,360
to already be on your agenda. You can

7616
05:17:03,360 --> 05:17:05,200
adjourn the meeting, the vote on those

7617
05:17:05,200 --> 05:17:06,560
things, but they would have to be on the

7618
05:17:06,560 --> 05:17:08,718
agenda already for the meeting that was

7619
05:17:08,718 --> 05:17:09,680
announced.

7620
05:17:09,680 --> 05:17:11,600
>> You can always have a special meeting on

7621
05:17:11,600 --> 05:17:15,040
three days notice dealing with a budget,

7622
05:17:15,040 --> 05:17:16,400
the local law if necessary.

7623
05:17:16,400 --> 05:17:18,240
>> So, you're saying the ordinances for

7624
05:17:18,240 --> 05:17:19,440
Monday's meeting?

7625
05:17:19,440 --> 05:17:21,920
>> If you want to just do a

7626
05:17:21,920 --> 05:17:24,320
>> as opposed to a new special meeting,

7627
05:17:24,320 --> 05:17:26,480
>> but I I based on what I'm hearing, it's

7628
05:17:26,480 --> 05:17:28,320
probably best let's see what happens on

7629
05:17:28,320 --> 05:17:29,120
Friday.

7630
05:17:29,120 --> 05:17:30,320
>> I agree with that.

7631
05:17:30,320 --> 05:17:33,120
>> Yes. Yeah, I would point that's that's

7632
05:17:33,120 --> 05:17:34,080
good point.

7633
05:17:34,080 --> 05:17:38,400
>> So then next Monday city council meeting

7634
05:17:38,400 --> 05:17:40,798
you uh recess.

7635
05:17:40,798 --> 05:17:42,718
>> Well, let's see let's see what goes on

7636
05:17:42,718 --> 05:17:43,120
Friday.

7637
05:17:43,120 --> 05:17:44,560
>> But we need the three days, right? Don't

7638
05:17:44,560 --> 05:17:46,400
we have to have three-day public notice?

7639
05:17:46,400 --> 05:17:47,440
>> You're going to have your regular

7640
05:17:47,440 --> 05:17:50,480
meeting on Monday. If you are able to

7641
05:17:50,480 --> 05:17:53,520
get out the budget ordinance

7642
05:17:53,520 --> 05:17:56,718
on Friday and the local law on Friday or

7643
05:17:56,718 --> 05:17:59,440
Saturday by unanimous consent, you can

7644
05:17:59,440 --> 05:18:01,840
just add those to the agenda on Monday.

7645
05:18:01,840 --> 05:18:03,840
>> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then

7646
05:18:03,840 --> 05:18:06,160
you can adjourn the meeting or later in

7647
05:18:06,160 --> 05:18:08,400
the week before November 1st, then it's

7648
05:18:08,400 --> 05:18:09,920
an adjournment meeting, not a new

7649
05:18:09,920 --> 05:18:10,638
meeting.

7650
05:18:10,638 --> 05:18:12,718
>> Can we

7651
05:18:12,718 --> 05:18:15,680
recess? But could we could we right now

7652
05:18:15,680 --> 05:18:18,638
so that we have enough notice and if

7653
05:18:18,638 --> 05:18:21,840
just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we

7654
05:18:21,840 --> 05:18:23,840
>> I think we I think the best practice

7655
05:18:23,840 --> 05:18:25,600
right now is just to see what happens on

7656
05:18:25,600 --> 05:18:26,638
Friday.

7657
05:18:26,638 --> 05:18:28,638
>> That's my recommendation.

7658
05:18:28,638 --> 05:18:31,040
>> What if we what if we meet on Monday?

7659
05:18:31,040 --> 05:18:32,638
Still have time

7660
05:18:32,638 --> 05:18:35,680
>> for a committee meeting. Yes. So maybe

7661
05:18:35,680 --> 05:18:37,760
just have the committee meeting. you're

7662
05:18:37,760 --> 05:18:43,600
already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on

7663
05:18:43,600 --> 05:18:44,240
Friday,

7664
05:18:44,240 --> 05:18:44,638
>> right?

7665
05:18:44,638 --> 05:18:46,798
>> So, if you need to work with it some

7666
05:18:46,798 --> 05:18:49,520
more prior to the meeting,

7667
05:18:49,520 --> 05:18:51,520
>> um you can add that by unanimous

7668
05:18:51,520 --> 05:18:53,840
consent, the budget ordinance and the

7669
05:18:53,840 --> 05:18:55,440
local law.

7670
05:18:55,440 --> 05:18:57,520
>> But but if we have to come at 5:30 on

7671
05:18:57,520 --> 05:18:59,200
Monday, don't we have to do a public

7672
05:18:59,200 --> 05:19:01,520
notice three days in advance?

7673
05:19:01,520 --> 05:19:03,200
>> Right. And for for the finance

7674
05:19:03,200 --> 05:19:03,600
committee,

7675
05:19:03,600 --> 05:19:05,200
>> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do

7676
05:19:05,200 --> 05:19:05,440
you?

7677
05:19:05,440 --> 05:19:06,878
>> So, yes. Oh.

7678
05:19:06,878 --> 05:19:09,600
>> So, so what I'm going to get from right

7679
05:19:09,600 --> 05:19:11,760
now is that Sam is going to send out a

7680
05:19:11,760 --> 05:19:15,200
notice that we're going to add

7681
05:19:15,200 --> 05:19:16,560
>> two more days.

7682
05:19:16,560 --> 05:19:19,440
>> We're going to add Monday reconvene at

7683
05:19:19,440 --> 05:19:21,120
5:30

7684
05:19:21,120 --> 05:19:23,920
recess city council meeting upstairs and

7685
05:19:23,920 --> 05:19:26,080
reconvene back down here. And then

7686
05:19:26,080 --> 05:19:27,440
she'll say 5:30.

7687
05:19:27,440 --> 05:19:28,080
>> Okay.

7688
05:19:28,080 --> 05:19:30,160
>> I'm going to place that place full

7689
05:19:30,160 --> 05:19:31,600
reserve those days. I think that's the

7690
05:19:31,600 --> 05:19:32,320
way we go.

7691
05:19:32,320 --> 05:19:35,280
>> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that

7692
05:19:35,280 --> 05:19:37,120
we're going to have something Friday.

7693
05:19:37,120 --> 05:19:38,000
>> We might.

7694
05:19:38,000 --> 05:19:39,120
>> So, you want to add Wednesday?

7695
05:19:39,120 --> 05:19:41,120
>> Nobody can hardly

7696
05:19:41,120 --> 05:19:44,400
>> just for the sake of

7697
05:19:44,400 --> 05:19:46,160
Wednesday.

7698
05:19:46,160 --> 05:19:48,400
>> Yes. Add Wednesday, too.

7699
05:19:48,400 --> 05:19:50,480
>> I'm sorry. What?

7700
05:19:50,480 --> 05:19:52,080
and

7701
05:19:52,080 --> 05:19:55,750
madam president

7702
05:19:55,760 --> 05:19:59,280
council. So you recess recess the uh

7703
05:19:59,280 --> 05:20:01,120
>> council meeting

7704
05:20:01,120 --> 05:20:03,360
>> and you can reconvene like towards your

7705
05:20:03,360 --> 05:20:05,040
Friday

7706
05:20:05,040 --> 05:20:08,320
>> right if if those items get on by the

7707
05:20:08,320 --> 05:20:10,878
end

7708
05:20:10,878 --> 05:20:12,560
>> no if they get on the agenda they have

7709
05:20:12,560 --> 05:20:14,798
to be on the agenda we'll reconvene the

7710
05:20:14,798 --> 05:20:17,360
meeting so it has to be otherwise you're

7711
05:20:17,360 --> 05:20:18,878
going to have to have a special meeting

7712
05:20:18,878 --> 05:20:19,760
also we need a special

7713
05:20:19,760 --> 05:20:21,920
>> meeting you need a special meeting if

7714
05:20:21,920 --> 05:20:24,240
you're maybe that's the way you want to

7715
05:20:24,240 --> 05:20:26,000
go and have a special meeting for next

7716
05:20:26,000 --> 05:20:28,160
Thursday or Tuesday or whatever, you

7717
05:20:28,160 --> 05:20:29,760
know, um, and just have a special

7718
05:20:29,760 --> 05:20:31,920
meeting to to vote on the budget. That

7719
05:20:31,920 --> 05:20:33,760
way you may have a little bit more time

7720
05:20:33,760 --> 05:20:36,000
in between to, you know, see if things

7721
05:20:36,000 --> 05:20:39,680
can be worked out.

7722
05:20:39,680 --> 05:20:41,040
>> We've done that before and we're like in

7723
05:20:41,040 --> 05:20:42,638
and out special meeting. You let the

7724
05:20:42,638 --> 05:20:45,040
budget go. If you want to go

7725
05:20:45,040 --> 05:20:47,120
>> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.

7726
05:20:47,120 --> 05:20:47,760
>> Yes.

7727
05:20:47,760 --> 05:20:49,280
>> And and just do that. And then you just

7728
05:20:49,280 --> 05:20:50,718
have we're just dealing with the budget

7729
05:20:50,718 --> 05:20:54,638
and the local law if necessary.

7730
05:20:54,638 --> 05:20:56,878
So, so the part of it taking here is to

7731
05:20:56,878 --> 05:20:59,280
make sure that we secure placehold for

7732
05:20:59,280 --> 05:21:01,440
the committee meeting days.

7733
05:21:01,440 --> 05:21:03,120
>> We look what happened with we're going

7734
05:21:03,120 --> 05:21:04,798
to, you know, what's happening Friday.

7735
05:21:04,798 --> 05:21:05,760
>> Mhm.

7736
05:21:05,760 --> 05:21:07,840
>> Then we can say, okay, we need to begin

7737
05:21:07,840 --> 05:21:09,920
Monday. So then we can say, okay, know

7738
05:21:09,920 --> 05:21:12,240
there are a couple items need to to to

7739
05:21:12,240 --> 05:21:14,480
iron out. Then we can call a special

7740
05:21:14,480 --> 05:21:16,320
meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.

7741
05:21:16,320 --> 05:21:18,560
>> Wednesday's the one I can't I mean, I'd

7742
05:21:18,560 --> 05:21:20,320
say Tuesday.

7743
05:21:20,320 --> 05:21:25,190
you can

7744
05:21:25,200 --> 05:21:27,280
» and actually Thursday Thursday Thursday

7745
05:21:27,280 --> 05:21:31,360
is the um is it is there's the county uh

7746
05:21:31,360 --> 05:21:32,480
dinner

7747
05:21:32,480 --> 05:21:34,718
>> but

7748
05:21:34,718 --> 05:21:36,480
>> we got

7749
05:21:36,480 --> 05:21:41,600
can notice for the committee meetings

7750
05:21:41,600 --> 05:21:43,920
>> and possible

7751
05:21:43,920 --> 05:21:46,240
council meeting all at once.

7752
05:21:46,240 --> 05:21:48,480
>> Yeah. like one notice say that that's

7753
05:21:48,480 --> 05:21:51,280
what the agenda is this and the

7754
05:21:51,280 --> 05:21:55,040
>> council you know two notices or you know

7755
05:21:55,040 --> 05:21:57,760
one notice with two two meeting notices

7756
05:21:57,760 --> 05:22:00,480
one one with the committee and council

7757
05:22:00,480 --> 05:22:04,000
meeting dealing with the uh adoption of

7758
05:22:04,000 --> 05:22:04,638
the budget

7759
05:22:04,638 --> 05:22:04,878
>> right

7760
05:22:04,878 --> 05:22:08,400
>> okay so so on Thursday though it's I

7761
05:22:08,400 --> 05:22:10,560
know that you guys there's dinner but if

7762
05:22:10,560 --> 05:22:11,920
you come here at 5:30 when time's the

7763
05:22:11,920 --> 05:22:12,480
dinner start

7764
05:22:12,480 --> 05:22:14,320
>> I don't know I I'll forget it I won't

7765
05:22:14,320 --> 05:22:15,920
worry about it I just you know

7766
05:22:15,920 --> 05:22:17,360
connecting shares is actually one of the

7767
05:22:17,360 --> 05:22:18,160
awardees.

7768
05:22:18,160 --> 05:22:20,480
>> If you're if you're voting on the budget

7769
05:22:20,480 --> 05:22:23,600
though that's already working passing

7770
05:22:23,600 --> 05:22:25,200
usually that meeting less than half an

7771
05:22:25,200 --> 05:22:28,638
hour if you don't

7772
05:22:28,638 --> 05:22:30,878
>> then I will also be available on

7773
05:22:30,878 --> 05:22:32,480
Thursday.

7774
05:22:32,480 --> 05:22:35,200
>> So everybody's available on Thursday. So

7775
05:22:35,200 --> 05:22:38,480
>> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday

7776
05:22:38,480 --> 05:22:39,040
everybody.

7777
05:22:39,040 --> 05:22:40,480
>> So here let's do this one step at a

7778
05:22:40,480 --> 05:22:43,200
time. S please get notice out for me. Uh

7779
05:22:43,200 --> 05:22:46,000
the committee is uh we're meeting this

7780
05:22:46,000 --> 05:22:48,480
Friday. We're meeting next Monday and

7781
05:22:48,480 --> 05:22:49,760
Tuesday.

7782
05:22:49,760 --> 05:22:50,080
>> Yes.

7783
05:22:50,080 --> 05:22:53,040
>> And special meeting on Thursday for the

7784
05:22:53,040 --> 05:22:54,878
>> hopefully we can do it before then. But

7785
05:22:54,878 --> 05:22:56,878
>> hopefully we can but I don't know

7786
05:22:56,878 --> 05:23:01,670
>> Thursday.

7787
05:23:01,680 --> 05:23:03,200
Well, that meeting can always be

7788
05:23:03,200 --> 05:23:04,958
adjourned by Thursday.

7789
05:23:04,958 --> 05:23:07,520
>> That's right. We don't need it. But just

7790
05:23:07,520 --> 05:23:10,000
this is our just in case. just in case.

7791
05:23:10,000 --> 05:23:17,750
Let's say

7792
05:23:17,760 --> 05:23:20,668
» I can sit here until tomorrow morning.

7793
05:23:20,668 --> 05:23:23,030
[laughter]

7794
05:23:23,040 --> 05:23:26,798
» I can stretch out man

7795
05:23:26,798 --> 05:23:31,350
out because uh

7796
05:23:31,360 --> 05:23:34,240
just motion motion to reset finance

7797
05:23:34,240 --> 05:23:35,200
committee.

7798
05:23:35,200 --> 05:23:45,990
>> Second. All in favor?

7799
05:23:46,000 --> 05:23:48,638
Thank you very much.

7800
05:23:48,638 --> 05:23:50,638
>> Thank you. So,

7801
05:23:50,638 --> 05:23:52,958
>> did we already decide

7802
05:23:52,958 --> 05:23:57,190
to break down?

7803
05:23:57,200 --> 05:24:01,560
» We'll be meeting later in November.