[1:06] Jesus.
[1:20] There must be a party.
[1:30] » This is a budget meeting. So I don't
[1:32] have to sit.
[1:34] [laughter]
[1:43] » So
[1:44] I'll sit somewhere where sit over there.
[1:48] That's the body.
[1:51] [laughter]
[1:52] >> Gunther did a good job last night.
[1:55] >> Hunter. Yes,
[1:56] >> Hunter.
[1:58] >> He's got a lot of questions found
[2:03] >> to get answers to,
[2:05] >> but I think we're pretty much set. I
[2:06] think cannabis is you can't really
[2:09] depend on cannabis being expanded that
[2:11] much. I
[2:15] mean,
[2:16] >> they're throwing stuff in the revenue
[2:17] and singing,
[2:19] >> which sets us up for next year.
[2:23] >> It's
[2:25] some of those places have opened and
[2:26] some of them out some of them gotten
[2:28] special, you know, they've gotten a
[2:30] permit. I mean, they've gotten their
[2:32] land, but they had open,
[2:34] >> right? I think there's still one, the
[2:36] one that's about to go on Growing
[2:38] Street.
[2:39] >> [clears throat]
[2:39] >> I think that's the only one left in
[2:41] queue that got approval but hasn't
[2:43] opened yet. me.
[2:47] Um, but again,
[2:51] [clears throat]
[2:52] >> I don't know. Oh, the one on the east as
[2:54] well at the old,
[2:56] >> right?
[3:00] [laughter]
[3:05] » Oh, I do notice.
[3:08] Do you notice all of these
[3:11] smoke
[3:14] that convenience stores
[3:24] in the gaz?
[3:36] Did you see any people
[3:42] shut up initution,
[3:50] right?
[3:58] I think that was it.
[4:08] about
[4:26] me.
[4:30] We're getting there.
[4:41] I have the meeting on
[4:53] » she went down church chocolate chip
[4:55] cookies.
[5:03] Yeah.
[5:06] >> Yeah.
[5:20] » Oh, with the eyes. With the eyes. Yeah.
[5:25] Oh god.
[5:29] Stop and sleep at church.
[5:34] And I don't get the bag.
[5:54] » Oh, I have this. I really I got a volt
[5:58] function.
[5:58] >> I haven't been able to do mine yet.
[6:00] >> Hey, I took been so busy. I took mom
[6:03] when you got it and put it in last year.
[6:05] >> Is that what you're [laughter]
[6:08] >> Oh, that's good.
[6:09] >> I saw that.
[6:10] >> What a good idea.
[6:12] >> I can get a bath. [laughter]
[6:17] » My desk is a mess. I can't have this.
[6:19] >> Everything's a mess. My entire
[6:22] >> I was hoping to try to at least go
[6:24] through it today. try to organize.
[6:26] >> I'm sure I made cream because Oh,
[6:28] tomorrow night get some
[6:31] Wednesday night golf final dinner.
[6:35] >> Oh, nice. And I'm the president.
[6:39] Glory. Amen. Hallelujah.
[6:42] >> Hi. I made the
[6:45] man.
[6:59] Okay. How are you?
[7:01] >> How about green post?
[7:14] But this is the only one we got, right?
[7:19] » All we got was one from
[7:27] » This is John's.
[7:30] >> Oh, well that's all too.
[7:34] » Yeah.
[7:38] » What's this?
[7:41] I did talk to the lady from Karen's
[7:45] laundry club and I told her we're in
[7:48] >> now they have to she has to go back to
[7:50] the Rotary Club and find out if they
[7:51] will take us. Um but I gave you all this
[7:54] information. I mean Mike
[7:57] >> equipment. Oh yeah.
[7:58] >> So I just wasn't sure because I don't
[8:00] know how much these cost.
[8:02] >> Um but
[8:04] yeah,
[8:05] >> right. Well, again, it's they're hoping
[8:07] to raise, in other words, if they get
[8:09] the grant from Ron, that doubles what
[8:11] they will raise. No, no, no. So, they're
[8:14] hoping to raise. She I had to she had to
[8:16] go back and look because these are the
[8:17] questions I asked her.
[8:18] >> Yeah.
[8:19] >> Um and they had ra, you know, she thinks
[8:21] that she thinks 3,600 total is a good
[8:24] number for us. And you know, immediately
[8:27] Jackie and Mike were like, we could use
[8:29] this, we could use that, we could use
[8:30] >> Do you see those new cards they have?
[8:34] Well, the last thing that Mike said was
[8:36] a jack, you know, like a power lifter
[8:39] kind of thing.
[8:43] » Like I said, I don't I'm not the uh
[9:14] No.
[9:19] All right.
[9:31] sent
[9:33] a huge long email just
[9:36] [clears throat]
[9:37] >> right now.
[9:41] >> Can't even I won't even be able to read
[9:42] it while meeting.
[9:47] » Good evening everyone. I'd like to
[9:49] recall the finance committee to order
[9:51] and we will continue our 2026 budget
[9:55] review.
[9:57] Uh before we get into
[10:01] our u internal discussion
[10:04] I would like to ask um
[10:08] the director of our department of
[10:10] development and it's Alex car
[10:14] to kind of brief us on a couple
[10:17] outstanding items the council member
[10:25] last evening Now
[10:28] there are two questions that we need
[10:30] follow up with and those has to do with
[10:34] um
[10:36] the CPG
[10:38] surplus
[10:40] and CPG uh where is the money uh being
[10:44] lo in terms of the cause and if there's
[10:47] any surplus that within the various
[10:51] department within the city and if that
[10:54] is allowed by other guidance.
[10:57] >> Okay. One where it is log is we put out
[11:00] our annual action plan every year what
[11:02] our allocations are and we log in IBIS
[11:05] which is our HUD financial system.
[11:08] >> Okay. So all of our funding is lost
[11:12] when you will see when we bring forth it
[11:15] action plan every year as part of the
[11:17] five-year consolidated plan when I come
[11:19] and say these are our priorities and
[11:21] then every year we come based on
[11:24] applications we come before with you
[11:26] with proposals from approved
[11:28] applications amount [clears throat]
[11:30] that they apply for.
[11:33] No, you can't just take a surplus and
[11:37] reuse it and put it into the general
[11:39] fund. That's not how it um how it works
[11:43] and it has to align to meet the HUD's
[11:46] national objective. So, anything that we
[11:48] do, we're governed by HUD to say it's
[11:51] going to meet, you know, one of the
[11:53] three national um objectives and it
[11:55] needs to be part of the city's priority.
[11:57] So, we would have have to save that in
[12:00] the consolidated in the 5-year
[12:02] consolidated plan.
[12:05] >> I know that sounds like a lot, right?
[12:08] >> So, so [laughter]
[12:11] we are not allowed to lose it for any
[12:13] city project or any city cost.
[12:15] >> Well, you can if it aligns with what the
[12:18] priorities were that we outlined in our
[12:20] five-year plan.
[12:23] So meaning
[12:24] for example if you apply like we have
[12:29] when you say surf we have things that
[12:31] come every year that gets allocated to
[12:34] city projects whether it be development
[12:36] whether it be code whether it be
[12:38] engineering those things are those
[12:41] things come into the city from from
[12:43] those fundings. So for example, if we
[12:45] have something, I'll use this youth line
[12:50] for an example. We've identified in 2022
[12:53] during CO that we allocated funding for
[12:57] a youth program that was never set up
[12:59] and never spent. Now, we've realized
[13:02] that the general fund is looking for
[13:04] money to fill the gap for the youth
[13:06] program that aligns with the national
[13:09] objectives and the priorities that we
[13:12] set forth [clears throat] in our
[13:14] consolidated plan for the city to fund
[13:16] youth activities and initiative, youth
[13:20] employment. So, that would align. So,
[13:22] it's not just it's not just anything. We
[13:24] can't don't give me your truck orders
[13:27] and all of those things has to motivate
[13:29] him. It has to all. [laughter]
[13:32] >> I like we're starting on a good note. I
[13:34] like this.
[13:36] >> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted
[13:38] the guy guidance from you in terms of
[13:39] can we use it for youth employment. Can
[13:42] we use it for senior because we have to
[13:44] fund it seniors before through CDBG
[13:47] >> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund
[13:50] the high.
[13:52] Yes. But see those things are
[13:54] competitive applications. Yes.
[13:56] >> Right. So there's also caps that we have
[13:58] to abide by. See, we only can do a
[14:01] certain percentage amount of public
[14:03] service projects, a certain percentage
[14:06] of development projects, things that
[14:08] fall into what we designated as our NRSA
[14:12] area. So we do have caps for things like
[14:15] emergency shelter. We have cap a certain
[14:17] amount of money can only go towards
[14:19] that. So when we're working our annual
[14:21] action plan and reallocating money, we
[14:24] still have to ensure that it falls
[14:26] within our cap. Whether we are looking
[14:28] at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to
[14:32] go back and make sure if we're
[14:33] reallocating it to a different project
[14:35] that we don't exceed
[14:38] the percentages, the caps that we to
[14:40] remain in compliance.
[14:43] >> Question.
[14:44] So, first of all, thank you for paying
[14:46] attention throughout this process and
[14:48] looking for trying to figure out ways to
[14:50] support uh the youth program in
[14:53] particular. Um it seems like like you um
[14:56] located some funds. Um so, I I really do
[14:58] appreciate that and I think that that um
[15:01] allows us to move past what would be a
[15:02] really stickler point for us in the
[15:04] budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see
[15:06] myself supporting a budget that didn't
[15:08] support that. So I really want to
[15:09] explain
[15:10] >> and and transparency. Anytime we use any
[15:13] of the federal dollars that come out
[15:14] development, there's a substantial
[15:16] amount of reporting and accountability
[15:18] that has to occur. So if those if parks
[15:22] is going to be facilitating this youth
[15:26] program, they need to work with the
[15:27] department to make sure that they're
[15:28] doing quarterly reporting that we have
[15:30] the measurables that we need to report
[15:32] to HUD. So it's not as simple as we
[15:35] found money, we give you the money.
[15:36] there there is reporting quarterly
[15:38] reporting um that is due to the
[15:40] department so that we can submit that to
[15:42] the federal government.
[15:43] >> So when we first started the program um
[15:47] what we did which we got away from which
[15:49] I would like to see us go back to was
[15:51] partnering with the county because the
[15:54] counties they had the the infrastructure
[15:57] and the reporting the reporting
[16:00] infrastructure that at the time aligned
[16:02] with kind of what you're talking about.
[16:04] So that's something that we might want
[16:06] to revisit just because I don't want to
[16:08] put more work on your department
[16:11] especially being you know helping us
[16:14] find the money for
[16:15] >> parks.
[16:16] Okay. [laughter] Okay.
[16:18] >> For clarity for for parks because I but
[16:21] I do appreciate that. So my question is
[16:23] what so I was originally um before
[16:28] these conversations were happening I was
[16:29] talking about using money for the golf
[16:31] court from the revenue from the golf
[16:33] course to support the youth line and in
[16:35] yesterday's conversation I was
[16:36] suggesting if we find the money and it
[16:38] seems like we have the money that's
[16:39] aligned that we could use from CBDG
[16:42] funds what about our seniors is is is
[16:45] that are we in the same situation for
[16:47] seniors or could we or should we go look
[16:49] at using the revenue identified from the
[16:51] golf course for to support seniors.
[16:53] >> There are no funds that were previously
[16:56] allocated that align with senior
[16:59] services that haven't been expended.
[17:03] >> Okay.
[17:03] >> So if there So I can see that we used to
[17:07] partner with the county and some of the
[17:09] money that I found that we can use is
[17:11] money that the county never it was never
[17:14] set up. They never drawn down. So it
[17:16] aligns that that doesn't that there's no
[17:19] scenario that applies that way for to
[17:21] support seniors right now.
[17:23] >> Okay. We can use the money from the golf
[17:24] course to do that.
[17:26] >> Go ahead.
[17:27] >> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what
[17:31] you're saying right now is that you did
[17:33] find the money for youth employment for
[17:36] this 2026 budget.
[17:38] >> So you already have um
[17:41] all of the uh CDBG. you you have a good
[17:44] sense already in this year of what might
[17:47] come back into your cup?
[17:49] >> No, I have a good sense of what could
[17:51] apply for the youth. What I did was I my
[17:53] program account went through to see what
[17:56] did we allocate for youth services in
[17:58] previous years and that is what I'm able
[18:01] to use. But we're in the process of
[18:02] closing it out and we're and I'm talking
[18:05] about funds from 2021
[18:08] this week. So these aren't new funds.
[18:09] We're going back and doing some
[18:11] reconciliation in our department.
[18:13] >> Okay. um to see what what's out there.
[18:15] >> That's great.
[18:16] >> Thank you. And I know that Mr. MCA had
[18:18] to do that reporting,
[18:20] >> but he's he's done that kind of stuff
[18:22] before. So,
[18:23] >> do you have a number? Yes, ma'am.
[18:26] >> There's 160,000, but I would like to
[18:28] keep the 10,000 to because you asked for
[18:32] 150. 10,000. [laughter]
[18:34] >> No, I didn't ask you for 150.
[18:36] >> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.
[18:39] 150. Yes.
[18:39] >> I thought it was 150. It was but
[18:43] before so we currently fund the senior
[18:46] center through CDBG. So you're saying
[18:48] that they didn't expend all the money so
[18:50] they have funding available.
[18:51] >> The senior center doesn't they're asking
[18:53] for more money actually. They they apply every year. So they applied
[18:58] for 20,000. They spent 20,000 and
[19:01] they're asking they're looking for more
[19:03] additional money. But they're also
[19:05] working with the county to try to to
[19:06] fill the gap
[19:08] >> for this year for 2021. 2026
[19:12] >> they applied for 20 Well your 2026 is my
[19:16] 2025.
[19:17] >> Oh
[19:17] >> okay.
[19:17] >> So do we have something do we have?
[19:19] >> So we we we awarded them
[19:23] >> we gave them
[19:26] >> what they asked for actually. So let me
[19:29] just
[19:30] >> pay for 2026.
[19:32] >> It's their contract is effective October
[19:34] 1st. So the the the federal year is
[19:39] October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So
[19:43] we are right now awarding contracts,
[19:45] execution contracts right now. So the
[19:48] senior center
[19:59] » 24,000
[20:00] >> and I will take it in the 2024.
[20:03] >> Okay.
[20:03] >> 2026.
[20:05] Yeah. Okay. So, we have to cover it.
[20:07] [clears throat]
[20:07] >> Okay.
[20:08] >> Well, there are wait.
[20:10] >> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I never come back.
[20:12] [clears throat]
[20:14] [laughter]
[20:15] >> Oh, I have a hammer.
[20:16] >> Okay.
[20:18] It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you
[20:21] asked one question I asked. So, it's 150
[20:22] is what you have allocated for these
[20:24] one.
[20:25] >> The senior line that you're talking
[20:26] about, you're only talking about the
[20:27] Hyurns though. You're not talking about
[20:29] the other seniors, the saddle bike
[20:31] senior centers is what I'll call them.
[20:33] No, but I do see in our general budget,
[20:35] we do get a lot of invoices from
[20:37] Catholic Charities, but I don't have any
[20:40] authority over that. Those are just
[20:41] invoices that pass through my
[20:43] department, Catholic Charities, Invoice
[20:45] that comes out of general budget. So, I
[20:47] don't I haven't had to say so on how
[20:49] much or but I just they pass through. I
[20:52] see the invoices and we submit them
[20:54] because it's so what's been written out
[20:55] of our budget is those spend on
[20:57] >> Yes.
[20:59] That's correct.
[21:00] >> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to
[21:04] the revenue line. If you're not if you
[21:05] want to finish explaining what she has
[21:07] then I'll ask about the revenue one.
[21:10] >> No you are you're doing this. Thank you.
[21:13] >> Okay.
[21:13] >> You're making life easy for a lot of us
[21:15] here.
[21:16] >> Okay. Um last year this is uh
[21:22] line A27A.
[21:26] » I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry Mary. What
[21:28] was that?
[21:28] >> A2170 A. Sorry that so there was
[21:32] $100,000 um for the SNAP from CBG for
[21:35] SNAP.
[21:36] >> Oh,
[21:37] >> right. And now it's that was in our
[21:38] adopted budget 21
[21:40] >> page 10 that is in our adopted budget
[21:42] for 2025 but not in 2026.
[21:46] >> So SNAP has
[21:49] >> roughly
[21:51] >> $200,000 in CBBG funds from previous
[21:54] years that they have not invoiced
[21:57] department of development to draw down.
[21:59] So they were not awarded this year. How
[22:02] much?
[22:03] >> 200,000.
[22:07] So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.
[22:14] From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't
[22:17] been set up.
[22:20] >> This is SNAP that you're talking about.
[22:22] >> Mhm.
[22:23] >> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So, say
[22:27] you have a hundred thou roughly $22,000
[22:32] in unspent funds, which is why they were
[22:34] not funded.
[22:39] » So, you don't see that in the line in
[22:40] the line, but we see that CDBG our
[22:44] federal dollars don't always show up in
[22:45] the general general funds, but we see it
[22:48] on on our side.
[22:50] >> Go ahead, please. So, if we had
[22:53] something that fell under the code of
[22:56] SNAP neighborhood revitalization,
[22:59] would we be able to access that funding
[23:02] that you just said is still
[23:03] >> So, it's it's how it's not by title,
[23:05] it's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's
[23:08] really the cleanup city owned property.
[23:10] So, stabilization and clean up of city
[23:12] own. Gotcha.
[23:13] >> So, that's what the title is, but it's
[23:15] how we
[23:16] >> with the description what we said we
[23:18] would do with those with that funding
[23:20] lines.
[23:21] So, um, so in that case, let's say we
[23:24] have staff that do that. Is it possible
[23:26] to leave some of that funding towards
[23:28] like a percentage of it towards that
[23:30] staffing salary that does that
[23:32] particular work?
[23:32] >> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.
[23:34] That that is what it's what they have.
[23:36] That money has been allocated to them to
[23:38] ODS and spend. They just have never
[23:40] invoiced.
[23:43] And it is not for clarity and
[23:45] transparency. It is not development's
[23:47] job to invoice that. any fun and even
[23:50] internal
[23:52] allocations. There's reporting. You have
[23:55] to invoice. You have to submit those
[23:57] sign sheets, the properties that you
[23:59] worked on. We we still have to submit
[24:01] those things to us. So that is not
[24:03] something that my department would have
[24:05] autonomy over.
[24:06] >> Gotcha.
[24:10] » But that money is there.
[24:13] >> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How
[24:16] do we how do we move our academy invoice
[24:18] from this department?
[24:21] >> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,
[24:24] >> Alex, but this is specifically has to be
[24:26] CDBG el uh to draw down, correct? Mhm.
[24:31] >> So
[24:32] >> most of So that when it's to be CDBG
[24:34] eligible needs to fall into it needs to
[24:37] fall into a low moderate income area in
[24:39] our neighborhood revitalization strategy
[24:42] area 85% of our city is that what I'm
[24:45] saying
[24:47] >> if not all
[24:49] >> right
[24:50] >> well between the the two designations
[24:52] that we have Mhm.
[24:55] >> So, what I'm hearing is that that we have
[25:02] what over $200,000 that could
[25:04] conceivably that's money from back from
[25:06] two 2021 that we could conceivably bring
[25:10] [clears throat] forward towards um in
[25:14] SN.
[25:15] >> Yes.
[25:16] >> Okay.
[25:18] Thank you.
[25:20] that may had mentioned um
[25:24] a day or two ago that you're you're
[25:26] looking to hire a an agency to help take
[25:31] note of um the foreclosed property.
[25:35] >> So what we did this year is that 100,000
[25:37] that would typically go to SNAP because
[25:40] they also identified to us last year
[25:42] that they didn't have the capacity to
[25:44] clean out the city owned properties
[25:47] >> as quick as we want to put them out. So,
[25:49] we took that 100,000 and we allocated
[25:51] that to department of development so
[25:53] that we do have more control. We can bid
[25:55] that and we can clean up our property so
[25:58] that they're safe for the realtor um to
[26:00] act so that that clean up and be
[26:03] maintenance, snowing, mowing,
[26:06] you know, all of those things to make it
[26:09] look good in the community. We're going
[26:10] to board them up nicely, secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one
[26:16] in so we can have more control and make
[26:18] sure they get done cuz we know that the sale the properties that we have the
[26:22] mayor wants to get them out and list
[26:24] them. But we've we've gotten a lot of
[26:27] complaints from our realators that the
[26:29] properties are in the best condition or
[26:31] safe to enter. So,
[26:32] >> right.
[26:32] >> And we heard that decision is informed
[26:36] by the information that we've been
[26:37] hearing from our neighborhood meetings
[26:38] with the comprehensive plan.
[26:40] >> Right.
[26:41] >> Yeah. That is ahead. No, I was going to
[26:43] say so it sounds like that money needs
[26:45] to remain in your department so so you
[26:47] have the autonomy and can make those
[26:49] decisions and make
[26:50] >> that 100,000 that's going to be for net
[26:52] that's allocated for 2526 are here
[26:55] >> is is us but that is not taken away from
[26:58] what snack still
[26:59] >> but right that was my point but this
[27:02] 200,000 is still there okay go ahead
[27:05] >> when will when will that 200,000 not be
[27:08] available or to be invoiced to you will
[27:11] that ever go way. HUD gives us 5 years.
[27:15] That's great.
[27:17] >> No. What year?
[27:18] >> No. This this 200 thou the 200,000. Oh,
[27:21] yeah. It'll be
[27:23] >> This is starting This is going back to
[27:25] 21. Yes.
[27:28] >> We need to spend it.
[27:29] >> Go ahead.
[27:31] >> So, it sounds like you're recouping some
[27:33] of these funds so that the area
[27:34] department has more management and
[27:36] oversight over it. Um, is there what
[27:38] functions outside of that 85% of the
[27:41] buildings that rely on the city? Is this
[27:43] apartment still going to be responsible
[27:44] for conducting?
[27:47] >> I'm not clear on the question. I'm
[27:48] sorry, council member.
[27:49] >> If you're maintaining the properties,
[27:51] what's not doing for the 15% of the
[27:52] properties that are eligible?
[27:55] >> Well, we're going to maintain the
[27:56] properties moving forward, but there's
[27:57] plenty of properties that are still on
[27:59] our roll that need to be addressed. And
[28:02] even when SNAP goes out and we get a
[28:04] complaint, and I'll use this for an
[28:05] example. If somebody does a click see
[28:09] click C and they got to go remove debris
[28:12] >> right
[28:13] >> from the front of the house and it's on
[28:15] the eastern nav the time that they spent
[28:17] is billable um from CDBG that's that's
[28:20] addressing the issue. So
[28:23] >> I think there's some um flexibility on
[28:27] how they they spend that money now
[28:28] because it's not just for city own city
[28:31] owned properties that are going for
[28:33] sale.
[28:35] So Williams, I mean looking at that that
[28:39] you're hiring a consultant to help with
[28:41] the clean up of the property.
[28:42] >> So that's taking away responsibility
[28:44] from staff.
[28:45] >> Are you hiring
[28:47] the company?
[28:48] >> We're just we're bidding it out. So we
[28:50] need a contractor that we can get the
[28:52] right to
[28:54] >> so that is taking away responsibility
[28:56] from this department.
[28:58] >> Yes.
[29:00] >> But they said they didn't have the
[29:01] capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't
[29:03] being done. It's essentially
[29:04] >> they've been doing it.
[29:06] >> They they've been they've been doing
[29:08] this but not as not not as fast. Snap
[29:11] doesn't have the manpower to do them as
[29:13] fast as it should be done to maintain
[29:16] what they regularly would do in the city
[29:18] owned properties.
[29:20] So what we need to do is look in our
[29:22] budget to see how we can reallocate the
[29:24] 200,000 that is existing now to see long
[29:27] and and see that we could do that with
[29:30] as long as it being in line with the HUD
[29:33] uh parameters. I don't think we need to
[29:35] reallocate that is already
[29:36] >> not reallocated but
[29:38] >> well no to be expelled.
[29:40] >> No. So correct me if I'm wrong. Snap. In
[29:44] other words, moving forward that
[29:47] $100,000 is going to come back into
[29:49] development. Right. So we got that.
[29:51] However, there is $200,000 existing
[29:54] right now within SNAP that they have not
[29:56] invoiced for.
[29:58] >> Correct.
[29:58] >> So and that money is only good for five
[30:01] years. So, so we could repurpose,
[30:05] we could I'm looking for the right term.
[30:07] We could reuse that money as long as it
[30:10] falls within the parameters of what we
[30:12] expressed originally.
[30:15] Is that correct?
[30:17] >> So, would it make sense to use it to
[30:20] offset some of the snapsh
[30:22] the money there for that?
[30:23] >> This is where I'm going.
[30:25] >> So, as that makes that makes the most
[30:28] that's the that was the intention.
[30:30] >> Okay.
[30:31] >> All right. And this year we wouldn't
[30:32] need that.
[30:32] >> So we can use this 210,000
[30:35] >> $26
[30:37] [laughter]
[30:39] for those right there.
[30:41] >> 22,559
[30:46] » that we can use now for
[30:48] >> Yes. in that category. So can I just
[30:52] >> So in other words, right now, Miss
[30:54] Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,
[30:59] there's zero on CDBG SNAP neighborhood
[31:03] revitalization. So, just to try to close
[31:06] this part of the conversation, we could
[31:09] put $200,000
[31:12] >> in that line instead of
[31:13] >> that. Well, this is old funds that
[31:16] you're spending down. I wouldn't put
[31:18] that in. It's already there. This is old money
[31:22] >> that would have showed up in previous
[31:25] years that hasn't been spent. I don't
[31:27] know how to
[31:27] >> Yeah. Well, but but we're trying to
[31:30] we're obviously trying to increase our
[31:32] revenue side of this budget. And so
[31:34] right now that says zero for us. Um so
[31:37] that 200,000 that you're talking about
[31:39] is not showing up anywhere for us.
[31:41] >> That will be a commissioner. So what I'm
[31:44] saying is can I take the zero
[31:46] >> just fill [clears throat] in the budget
[31:48] >> but if we put if we used it to support
[31:51] salaries
[31:53] >> that that are that no in other words if
[31:56] we use that money to support salaries
[31:59] right now or or portion of salaries that
[32:02] are being um drawn from the general fund
[32:05] then that 200,000 would essentially th
[32:08] show up in our general fund because not
[32:09] we wouldn't be use we'll be using this
[32:11] 200k instead taking money for the
[32:13] general fund.
[32:14] >> Okay.
[32:15] >> Everything works out correctly.
[32:17] >> Well, well, if she's saying if we can
[32:18] use it for salaries, as long as there's
[32:21] SNAP salaries, then
[32:22] >> CDBG knowledgeable.
[32:24] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.
[32:27] >> Yes, it is.
[32:28] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.
[32:29] >> So, that means the the tracking OS will
[32:32] have to track the addresses and the time
[32:34] to make sure that they are in the
[32:37] designated areas, which could be
[32:39] cumbersome for men that are out in the
[32:41] field. I know Chris expressed that
[32:43] before. You know, they're out in the
[32:45] field tracking it. And I don't want to
[32:48] speak for his department, but they are.
[32:51] >> Yeah.
[32:52] >> But if they're [clears throat]
[32:54] So, my understanding of they don't
[32:55] randomly go, they already know where
[32:57] they're assigned. So, we know before
[32:58] they ever went there that it's in
[33:01] Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's in
[33:03] Hamilton North and RSA CDG. So, when
[33:08] they were assigned where to go clean up,
[33:10] they would know ahead of time. So they
[33:12] it's not like the people on the ground
[33:13] going to do the work have to capture
[33:15] that. Their supervisor like look and say
[33:18] okay this is in that area and this can
[33:19] be assigned to that. I don't see it
[33:21] being the person going to do it.
[33:23] >> Okay. I'm not it's not my department. So
[33:25] I'm not it's privy to you know their
[33:28] process and how they how they do things.
[33:31] >> So um would OS have to invoice that
[33:35] money every time they went? So it's it's
[33:37] not like every time
[33:39] >> not every time.
[33:40] >> Okay. But they can they can do it
[33:41] quarterly.
[33:42] >> Yeah. You know,
[33:44] >> but it still has to be invoiced. The
[33:46] money could still just hang out.
[33:48] >> Invoice and
[33:49] >> right.
[33:50] >> I'm sorry. They could still not what?
[33:52] >> The money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's
[33:56] been used or invoiced. And is there any
[33:58] outstanding invoices they might have
[34:00] that they didn't put through to you in
[34:02] the past two or three years?
[34:03] >> Now, we've been in communication with
[34:06] them, council, so they know that they
[34:08] could invoice. It's just
[34:11] >> they haven't and I don't I'm sure
[34:12] there's some obstacles that they're
[34:14] facing and there's a valid reason why
[34:16] they haven't.
[34:17] >> I can't speak to them but
[34:19] >> so it might not even be there if they if
[34:22] they have invoices they just haven't
[34:23] >> I doubt that they had invoices for that
[34:26] many years. So pending I think that they
[34:28] would have probably used funds that were
[34:30] still readily available to them. So for
[34:33] functional so we're talking about this
[34:35] 26,000 where is this one
[34:37] >> 200
[34:39] [laughter]
[34:41] >> John just say 200 let's leave her a
[34:43] little let's leave her a little in case
[34:46] somebody does come this year
[34:48] >> in the cloud it's not in the general
[34:49] fund that's why it's not here
[34:50] >> it's not in the general it's it's not in
[34:53] the general fund because it hasn't been
[34:55] set up yet so it's been allocated in
[34:58] order for commissioner and his team to
[35:00] see it we have to set it up and tell
[35:03] them we set it up and do the PO process.
[35:06] These funds are allocated from our
[35:09] annual action plan but not set up in the
[35:13] >> So this this
[35:14] >> that's a little too much in the weeds
[35:16] for us.
[35:16] >> How many how many more funds do we have
[35:18] like this in the cloud? [laughter]
[35:23] back to my father in the money tree in
[35:25] the backyard.
[35:25] >> Because if we have $200,000 datas in the
[35:28] cloud, [laughter]
[35:30] how much more funding do we have that we
[35:32] are not utilizing from CDPG over the
[35:34] last four or five years?
[35:36] >> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you
[35:38] utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm
[35:40] seeing is really impact from CO, right?
[35:45] It's not that we're not it's not that
[35:46] we're not utilizing it. And now that we
[35:49] have a full team, it gives us an
[35:51] opportunity to really dive in and close
[35:54] out projects. So close out projects,
[35:56] understand what hasn't been set up but
[35:59] allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not
[36:01] expecting you in the next five minutes
[36:04] to really understand. But our HUD
[36:06] funding has a HUD system that we
[36:09] >> that we use. Our general funds has a
[36:12] general fund system. It is it is
[36:15] separate. Before I go, I just have a
[36:18] follow up there. So, can we can we get a
[36:21] report of all the outstanding
[36:24] >> there? There is no report yet because my
[36:26] team, as I said, council, we're we're
[36:29] working through this. We're trying to
[36:32] >> But do you have something to say that we
[36:34] can spend on from 2021 to now? There is
[36:38] a balance of what we need
[36:39] >> to for what I you can't work on it
[36:43] because it has to be part of one.
[36:44] >> No, no, no, no.
[36:46] [laughter]
[36:47] 2021 to now fun and it's not spending
[36:53] that needs I need actions.
[36:56] >> I will I will get you something.
[36:59] >> Go ahead.
[37:00] >> That's not a that's not a function
[37:02] though. [clears throat]
[37:04] If I go through and do all that, it has
[37:06] to be a we have to now put that out to
[37:10] the public. That can't be something that
[37:12] I said these are the funds that we have
[37:14] in city council. There's a substantial
[37:16] amendment. It's a process. I can't say
[37:19] these are the funds and then city
[37:20] council decides where this money goes
[37:22] because it's community development money
[37:24] that needs to go into the community and
[37:27] the community has to say so and then we
[37:29] do a public notice and then we have a um
[37:32] >> grants grant applications.
[37:34] >> We have the applications and then we we
[37:37] have the public hearing. So, it's not I
[37:39] can do that, but it's not something that
[37:41] city council can say we can move this
[37:44] money, we can do that money. We cannot X
[37:46] out the public um responsibility
[37:50] for that.
[37:52] >> So, okay. So, let's get back to this
[37:55] $200,000
[37:56] that we know is here.
[37:58] >> We understand the intended function of
[38:00] it. It was not used in the timeline that
[38:04] we originally expected, but right now
[38:06] we're looking at $200,000
[38:09] with a clear purpose that we can use it
[38:12] for as long as it stays within these
[38:14] parameters.
[38:15] >> [snorts]
[38:15] >> So, so we should the council should look
[38:19] into what what positions that we have in
[38:23] the city right now that are working in a
[38:27] to this aligned function of what this
[38:29] $200,000 was. So, if we have someone who
[38:33] salary is $70,000
[38:36] and they're doing this the type of work
[38:39] that falls under this umbrella, then
[38:42] that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come
[38:44] from our general fund that we could use
[38:47] this this $200,000 to fund that
[38:49] position. So, that would be a plus of
[38:53] $200,000. I think that's what we need to
[38:55] focus on right now and then we could
[38:57] look to the next thing.
[38:59] >> I would agree with that. um that we got
[39:01] from but I know she said he never looked
[39:04] down here [clears throat]
[39:06] was waiting down
[39:10] >> um so I'm just going to yell out so I
[39:13] have I agree with that because I don't
[39:15] think like what Miss Carver said we can
[39:17] like look at all the money because as we
[39:18] what we talked about yesterday you
[39:20] weren't even here Miss Carver I think it
[39:22] was specifically said that CDBG has
[39:25] specific parameters and guidelines and
[39:27] we have to stay within those
[39:29] >> and a citizen participation and citizen
[39:32] partition and beyond these seven
[39:33] citizens.
[39:34] >> Uh so so I would agree with you that my
[39:38] further question though about the budget
[39:39] as opposed to asking about revenue is
[39:42] that the 100,000 that was you took back
[39:45] in house to do it um through receipts to
[39:48] the department of development I see that
[39:50] last year we allocated 570,000 on the CT
[39:54] uh BG line for department development
[39:56] and this year same amount. So I was so
[40:00] the question for me became how where
[40:03] that account is. So the that 570,000
[40:07] are our admin cost. The whole the the
[40:12] SNAP money that 100,000 is not ad is not
[40:15] development admin. So we didn't
[40:17] reallocate it for admin. We reallocated
[40:20] to bid bid it out for project. Okay. So
[40:23] that's why it is not reflected there.
[40:25] Maybe for clarification.
[40:29] Go ahead, please.
[40:30] >> But again, I just want to say what we
[40:33] all 200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding
[40:36] down. Won't be able to remember the
[40:38] exact figure that you keep saying, but
[40:41] we have to go through a process.
[40:43] >> No, we don't have
[40:45] >> No, it doesn't. Not
[40:47] if we do. No, not if we keep it the if
[40:51] we keep it the same. That's already
[40:53] >> Okay, that was my first question when we
[40:55] first started this.
[40:58] >> This is already allocated to the city.
[41:00] It's already allocated.
[41:02] >> It's already It's already allocated.
[41:05] We've already allocated that funding,
[41:07] >> but we need to in the budget. Is that
[41:09] what you're saying? [clears throat]
[41:10] >> I don't know if we need I don't know
[41:12] that part that's outside.
[41:13] >> This is a This is a commissioner a
[41:15] commissioner question, but that's where
[41:16] I think you were jo kind of joking about
[41:19] it being in the cloud. But can look, can
[41:21] we just cut to the question that I'm
[41:24] just trying to find the answer for?
[41:26] >> But you you have the door. So you put
[41:28] your question up.
[41:28] >> So can we just say, okay, instead of
[41:32] zero in the 2026 budget on that line,
[41:36] can we right now all fill in on our
[41:38] budget $200,000
[41:40] >> specifically for SNAP?
[41:41] >> For SNAP.
[41:42] >> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have
[41:44] to worry about, you know, Mr. on putting
[41:48] in invoices, etc., etc. That's all
[41:51] internal staff uh kinds of stuff. But
[41:55] that's the answer to this question.
[41:56] >> Yeah, the thing is that the money
[41:58] 200,000 coming into the staff line, it
[42:01] will reduce um the general fund by
[42:03] $200,000,
[42:04] >> right? A
[42:06] >> that's what the
[42:07] >> right game is.
[42:09] >> A1621 that line is 156. What is that? So
[42:12] under SNAP
[42:14] >> A1621
[42:16] >> A621 100 we can use that $200,000 to
[42:20] offset salary. So we'll just need a
[42:22] revenue in
[42:25] >> and then 200,000 is available
[42:26] >> that goes back to the general fund.
[42:29] >> So just make this up note I I do have
[42:31] that. Thank you so much. This is why we
[42:33] called you.
[42:33] >> What page was that? 1625.
[42:35] >> That is page 25. So
[42:37] >> thank you.
[42:37] >> That is something that we can make um
[42:40] >> 16 recommendations.
[42:41] Ah, I see what you're saying.
[42:43] >> Any other question for uh while we got
[42:45] the
[42:45] >> reply?
[42:47] Mr. Williams.
[42:48] >> Okay.
[42:49] >> I mean although practically for us our
[42:51] involvement in this process does not
[42:53] extend beyond this conversation, there
[42:55] needs to be internal discussions to
[42:57] ensure that that process is done
[42:59] otherwise
[43:01] $300,000.
[43:03] >> So that is a further discussion that
[43:05] does not include us but that needs to
[43:07] happen. How do we make sure that
[43:08] happens? Yeah, and that's exactly how I
[43:11] make myself knowledgeable about that. I
[43:12] will follow to make sure that we capture
[43:14] from 2021 to now, you know, current
[43:17] period as what is available, what needs
[43:20] to spend on things like that. So we
[43:21] don't have any money lingering as the
[43:23] commissioner says in the cloud.
[43:27] >> But
[43:28] >> let me just
[43:30] finish.
[43:31] >> Oh, go ahead please.
[43:32] >> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying
[43:34] how do we ensure because right now we're
[43:36] in this position because it was not
[43:38] drawn down and there were no invoices
[43:39] sent. So what she what Mr. Williams is
[43:43] saying is how do we ensure city invoices
[43:46] are submitted? I mean we we can't do
[43:48] that. We as council that's not our
[43:50] responsibility but what system gets put
[43:53] into place I guess I'll look at you say
[43:55] what system gets put in place so that
[43:57] the invoices are sent so the money gets
[44:00] spent or we could be having the same
[44:01] conversation again next year.
[44:04] again and money won't get spent.
[44:07] >> Again, I just feel like that's an
[44:09] internal I think Mr. Williams just said
[44:11] it. I'm repeating now what you just
[44:13] said, which I was trying to say earlier,
[44:15] which is that's an internal staffing
[44:17] decision. If we can use the $200,000,
[44:20] let's put the $200,000 in our budget.
[44:23] Let's let uh commissioner and our
[44:27] director of development speak with Mr.
[44:28] Lefond or whatever. I mean, is there a
[44:31] deadline in 2026 because that's the
[44:33] 5year mark, right? Um, is there like a
[44:36] is it March 20th? Is it August 17th? I
[44:39] mean, we should let them figure that
[44:41] out. Um, but we the answer to our
[44:44] question is yes, we can put that
[44:46] $200,000 into the SNAP line.
[44:48] >> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility,
[44:50] too, because if we didn't call back this
[44:54] car over here, none of us would have be
[44:56] aware there is $200,000
[44:58] hanging there. So I think we need yeah
[45:02] we can't we can't direct them what to do
[45:03] but we need to be informed of what's
[45:05] going on and if there are things like
[45:06] this outside there
[45:09] commissioner of finance and department
[45:11] of development the director they need to
[45:14] help each other and get it sort of out
[45:16] able to spend all this money.
[45:18] >> Yeah. I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then com and this
[45:24] seems like this was something that
[45:26] happened before you were even in the
[45:28] position that you're in now. I have all
[45:30] the confidence in your ability to make
[45:31] sure that we don't lose $200,000 for
[45:34] somebody and then put in the receipt.
[45:35] I'm sure you can do that. Let's go.
[45:38] >> Before Mr. Park was here as well. Boom.
[45:42] >> All right. Go ahead.
[45:42] >> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that
[45:44] line,
[45:46] Mr. M? Are you asking me to move?
[45:47] >> Does everybody think that we finalized
[45:49] that discussion on that one?
[45:51] >> It's going to go into A16.
[45:53] >> Here's my next question for Miss Carver
[45:55] and it is regarding the homes revenue,
[45:58] the sale of homes. So, the budget as a
[46:02] um I have to find it. Sorry.
[46:06] >> Revenue.
[46:07] >> Yep. I want to make sure that that
[46:09] revenue line is realistic. 26.
[46:13] >> 2660.
[46:19] » Uh 260. I don't have 26.
[46:22] >> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.
[46:24] >> Umoop.
[46:27] >> Yeah. Oh, I got it now. Thank you.
[46:29] >> Um, so we've projected
[46:31] in 2026 budget
[46:35] >> $3 million in revenue from the homes
[46:38] program. And at the same time,
[46:42] I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one
[46:44] now.
[46:45] >> 535.
[46:46] >> Thank you.
[46:46] >> Year to date.
[46:47] >> What? Say it again, please.
[46:48] >> 1,535 year to date as of October,
[46:52] >> which probably doesn't include
[46:53] >> was probably since last September.
[46:55] >> Yeah. So, we still have a little bit
[46:56] more revenue than million. So, we talked
[46:59] about this a little bit the last time
[47:00] when I was hearing the mayor gave
[47:02] clarity that we have major projects, the
[47:04] Skenctity D40 project and um housing in
[47:07] Roderdam that is still the sales of that
[47:10] is still pending.
[47:11] >> Um so,
[47:12] >> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we
[47:15] >> the conversation with the mayor said
[47:16] more likely we will
[47:18] >> be close to the estimated for this year.
[47:21] Okay. And then we may have uh one
[47:24] project rolled over into next year with
[47:26] a size of the one in the 2022.
[47:29] >> Okay. Thank you.
[47:30] >> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes
[47:34] out there putting that projection at 4.5
[47:37] million. Does that seem realistic to you
[47:40] from 3 to 4.5?
[47:43] Not not based on our current foreclosure
[47:45] list that's out. I don't think that we
[47:46] have enough properties to satisfy it.
[47:50] Gotcha. I I did ask last night for
[47:53] corporation council to put those
[47:54] together expecting from foreclosures the
[47:58] two six or seven this year but next year
[48:00] two foreclosure ones coming.
[48:02] >> Yeah.
[48:03] >> No any number.
[48:07] >> Let let me recap that the
[48:08] pre-foreclosure that is going to happen
[48:10] into next year plus the the one of the
[48:13] sizable sale property or two into next
[48:17] year. the one next year and two next
[48:19] >> two next year. So that will roll over
[48:21] into next year a sale. So we have three
[48:23] sales before sale into next year. Plus
[48:27] if the two major project doesn't happen
[48:29] this year, it will roll over into next
[48:31] year. That's how I factor my number and
[48:33] ask for that. No, I want to clarify
[48:36] because we did listen to the corporation
[48:38] council. We did talk about it and why am
[48:41] I protecting that number because of two
[48:44] project and because of the the pre
[48:46] foreclosure that's happening next year.
[48:48] >> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?
[48:51] >> I am sticking with the same estimate
[48:52] from this year into next year.
[48:54] >> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue
[48:58] in that line instead of 3 million is
[49:01] realistic for your staff to achieve
[49:04] >> as I previously stated.
[49:07] I do not think that that is a realistic
[49:10] number based on the list the information
[49:13] on.
[49:13] >> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify
[49:15] it. Okay. Thank you.
[49:19] [clears throat]
[49:20] >> Any other question? Go ahead, please.
[49:22] >> So I would say is that 3 million on that
[49:24] same line a conservative projection or
[49:26] to Mr. Marian's point is there room with
[49:29] the information that you're avail that
[49:31] you have available that you feel
[49:32] comfortable sharing with council that we
[49:34] can go over? I think that's a law. A law
[49:37] should be involved in that because they
[49:39] are the ones that track that list.
[49:41] Council member, we get the list from
[49:43] law.
[49:44] >> Thank you.
[49:45] >> Yeah, we did hear we heard from
[49:47] corporation council that you know in
[49:49] terms of the foreclosure in terms of how
[49:51] much in the pipeline and that's how the
[49:53] factoring and the two pro the two
[49:55] housing project the party and then the
[49:58] sale and relevant those are high high
[50:01] volume sales.
[50:06] There was a question in the email that
[50:08] the commissioner said that you had
[50:09] another question about the cold.
[50:13] Yeah, that's right. Sorry that caught me
[50:16] that was again that um
[50:23] where and I think it's a similar
[50:25] situation as it relate
[50:31] we had 100,000 in revenue and right
[50:34] around
[50:38] » so they did not
[50:42] 100,000 Yes,
[50:45] but um they haven't drawn down. So they
[50:47] for this upcoming year they still were
[50:50] awarded 100,000 but they have 206,000
[50:54] that need to be drawn down.
[50:56] >> So there's 250 now the code if possibly
[51:00] they use in the code doing their
[51:03] >> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning
[51:06] with putting it in here because I think
[51:07] it helps us um be accountable. That'll
[51:11] kind of ease the conversation with
[51:14] commissioner not to work with our
[51:16] internal you know departments our
[51:18] colleagues to say
[51:20] >> we we got to we got to spin it down
[51:21] because it's in it's in black and white
[51:24] I'm sorry the number was
[51:25] >> yes 206
[51:27] >> go ahead
[51:28] >> so again I'm just trying to clarify are
[51:32] we all hearing and miss carver correct
[51:34] me [clears throat] if I'm wrong that
[51:36] line 217
[51:39] >> what page
[51:40] It's on page 10.
[51:44] » Same thing the CBB stuff that we were
[51:46] just
[51:48] >> So if we wanted to instead of that line
[51:52] being $100,000,
[51:54] could we make that line $300,000?
[51:57] Okay.
[51:57] >> Decrease their expenditure in the
[51:59] expenditure part.
[52:01] >> Reduce the um if you go to the bottom
[52:04] part now, you increase the revenue by
[52:06] 206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.
[52:09] and go to
[52:11] code enforcement and we use that for um
[52:15] so we release $200,000 into the general
[52:17] fund again there so that another
[52:19] $200,000 into the general fund
[52:21] >> and may I ask
[52:22] >> that's why I asked the question how much
[52:24] do we
[52:24] >> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it
[52:26] so
[52:26] >> the only reason we're able to do this is
[52:28] because it's already
[52:32] to us there's already a resolution in
[52:34] place this has already been approved
[52:36] this already went through the citizen
[52:39] participation plan, all of those things.
[52:42] >> Yes.
[52:43] >> That we can [laughter]
[52:46] » I just want the record to reflect that
[52:48] we're not operating outside of
[52:51] >> how we should
[52:53] already allocated to us. So already
[52:55] allocated for this purpose. It's just
[52:57] >> I am so thankful that you're here.
[52:59] >> Okay.
[53:00] >> So that's adding 200.
[53:02] >> Go ahead.
[53:03] >> But also the point is I want to make
[53:05] sure we're not getting ahead of
[53:06] ourselves expecting a different outcome.
[53:08] any significant changes. I confident
[53:11] that Miss Con, Mr. Luke can do their
[53:14] jobs to the best of standards. They're
[53:16] not going to be chasing. They can
[53:18] assist. They can assist, but if there is
[53:21] not an intentional direction from the
[53:24] mayor's office that this is going to be
[53:26] a priority, we will have a bigger hole
[53:30] into next year. So, without that
[53:32] reassurance,
[53:34] I don't feel comfortable. You can put 90
[53:36] in that you put 900,000 in that line,
[53:38] but if the work doesn't get done, the
[53:40] funds don't get replenished into the
[53:42] council and we get replenished into the general fund.
[53:46] >> Well, but let me clarify you can use it
[53:50] for salary.
[53:51] >> Yeah, that's
[53:52] >> so they have to draw it for salary,
[53:53] right? So it's not like a you know time
[53:55] sheet has to be submitted and things
[53:57] like that but that's more you make it
[53:59] more you simplify it more rather than
[54:01] having to go submit invoice and submit
[54:03] how many times they spend out on the in
[54:05] the field is more of a time sheet
[54:07] >> I would say assumptions are
[54:09] >> well no that's not
[54:11] >> it's not an assumption
[54:13] >> time sheets will still be required where
[54:15] they the how where they did their time
[54:18] that still applies it has to be in one
[54:21] of our designated
[54:23] >> areas to a system, right, that can just
[54:25] float.
[54:26] >> Both both things are true. Both things
[54:29] are true. If you use it for these these
[54:31] identified lines like the A1621,
[54:34] then they're going to pull a salary from
[54:36] that line. People are going to have to
[54:37] get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that
[54:43] after people or while the people are
[54:45] getting paid, we still have to make sure
[54:47] we're in compliance with that. And the
[54:48] way to do that is with the appropriate
[54:49] reporting structure. So that's they're
[54:51] both things are true. So, we just looks
[54:54] like we can put almost $400,000 back
[54:56] into our general fund if we use this for
[54:58] salaries.
[54:59] >> Okay, good news.
[55:00] >> Yeah.
[55:01] >> What line are you looking to add this
[55:03] to?
[55:03] >> Undo enforcements to salary.
[55:06] >> It's not just salaries. It's it's about
[55:09] it's in it's written written with HUD
[55:12] that it's a program. So, what is
[55:14] reimburseable is when they go out they
[55:16] do notices for um pole violations.
[55:20] >> That that is that is how it is written. So only the s work
[55:26] those salaries are reimburseable when
[55:28] they do that direct work. So my team we
[55:31] have a policy and procedure the
[55:34] community development supervisor join me
[55:35] tonight. We can you know be intentional
[55:39] about meeting with the team again and
[55:42] kind of going over what's expected
[55:44] because we just did this with cold and
[55:46] it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a
[55:52] little bit of work into it,
[55:54] but that was the whole purpose. Oh, I'm
[55:56] sorry, Mr. Tro. I keep saying your hand.
[55:57] [laughter]
[55:58] Um, but that was the whole purpose of
[55:59] actually assigning the CPG money to code
[56:02] enforcement to do those particular
[56:03] things and to use towards those salaries
[56:05] for doing those particular things.
[56:07] That's just not happening because
[56:09] there's no I I won't say there's no
[56:11] system in place.
[56:12] >> I I will say that it's not being done
[56:14] whether and if not we there should be a
[56:16] system in place and I don't know, Mr.
[56:18] where and how we
[56:19] >> this this is where we can force it. We
[56:21] put them into the into the salary line
[56:23] to draw them on a salary to get a time
[56:24] sheet to go and issue certain you know
[56:27] whatever it was whatever they need to
[56:29] draw them against they need to go ahead
[56:30] and do it and get this money and spend
[56:34] >> and follow follow the the application
[56:36] >> because Roberta and Roberta and co used
[56:39] to do this so there was already a
[56:41] backlog in it and then there was a
[56:44] transition co so that's part of the
[56:46] reason why those funds haven't been sent
[56:49] back as
[56:51] Yeah, go ahead.
[56:52] >> Thank you.
[56:54] >> So, and we also have to remember, excuse
[56:56] me, we have three code officers moving
[56:58] forward that are presently there with
[57:00] two supervisors. So, sending individuals
[57:03] out into the field. I don't know how
[57:04] much it and trust me, I'm happy that we
[57:07] can get money back into for you know
[57:09] going out to doing these things. Is the
[57:11] money from code 2021 as well? That is
[57:17] multiple years. So, 2022 of 100,000 that
[57:22] commissioner doesn't see because it is
[57:24] not set up
[57:25] >> right
[57:26] >> know it's complexities to it so I'm not
[57:28] expecting you to understand but we
[57:30] haven't set it up in our HUD system but
[57:33] it was allocated
[57:34] >> and then we have 100,000 from 2024
[57:40] and they have a balance of $6,342
[57:44] from 2023
[57:48] » any ideawide
[57:51] it was done some years not other years
[57:54] um staffing I mean and and
[57:59] it's it's there's complexity when we
[58:01] talk about the federal dollars in the
[58:03] systems right so you have to you use the
[58:05] oldest money first so we can award you
[58:08] in 2025 but if you have money in 2021
[58:11] when we draw down we got to draw down
[58:13] that oldest money because
[58:15] >> the time is ticking and they'll recap
[58:17] recapture it So it doesn't in
[58:21] transition, you know, I'm not making I'm
[58:23] not making excuses.
[58:24] >> It doesn't make sense why it's there.
[58:26] >> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team
[58:30] is working on this, which is why I can
[58:32] give you these numbers right now, right?
[58:34] Because last year this time, I wouldn't
[58:36] have been able to give you these
[58:39] numbers.
[58:41] So we're we're we're working on kind of
[58:43] aligning our our system with with the
[58:46] HUD system in the funding.
[58:50] Mr. Mir, I just want the record to
[58:52] reflect that through Miss Carb and her
[58:54] team's work, she's not she's has helped
[58:57] us identify money to support our youth
[58:59] line and and a potential additional if
[59:03] we work this right, adding back
[59:06] >> $400,000 to our general fund. under the
[59:08] code. I know it's kind of relieved
[59:10] >> based on the work of hurricanes.
[59:13] >> Super. I know that's right, M president.
[59:15] So, thank So, I just want to say that that's a you know, when I spoke
[59:19] with you earlier about the youth money,
[59:21] I I wasn't even aware of this other
[59:24] money that was there. So, this is all a
[59:25] result of your team's work. So, Mitch,
[59:27] we appreciate the work that you guys are
[59:28] doing. Um, very valuable.
[59:31] >> Are there any other funding? [laughter]
[59:35] >> You would like me to stay. Mitch, stand
[59:37] up and check in those cushions. See if
[59:39] there's some change in there. We want to
[59:41] know.
[59:43] [laughter]
[59:44] >> I'm trying to get some money for this
[59:45] guy.
[59:47] >> There's no other funding. And when we do
[59:49] identify that funding, we we're going to
[59:51] have to go through our citizen
[59:52] participation plan [clears throat] and
[59:54] put that out there and take application.
[59:56] So, that'll be a process that will
[59:58] happen sometime early next year. I have
[1:00:01] to add to the surp.
[1:00:12] » Imagine if we gave her a statement.
[1:00:15] [laughter]
[1:00:17] >> They're not spending any money.
[1:00:18] [clears throat]
[1:00:18] >> Um, so Mr. Harvin, there's another
[1:00:20] question that came up. I just want to
[1:00:21] make sure that um in terms of the send
[1:00:24] down where it shows if you had 500
[1:00:25] 700,000 but then the year to date you
[1:00:28] like 91,000. be nice about that. So if
[1:00:30] you just want to give clarity while
[1:00:33] >> then there's we spent out 91,000. We
[1:00:36] still have time right now with the
[1:00:37] shutdown. We don't have access to some
[1:00:40] of our draw down systems to to draw down
[1:00:42] the money and then we have some pending
[1:00:44] time sheets that the team is working on
[1:00:46] that will get us closer to to the finish
[1:00:49] line. So that'll happen before the end
[1:00:51] of the year.
[1:00:53] >> Good. That's right. So in terms of um
[1:00:56] not the Hibernians but the other senior
[1:00:58] programs um because we don't have money
[1:01:01] >> they didn't submit application.
[1:01:04] >> No no I'm talking about the Catholic
[1:01:06] Charities um the the senior lunch
[1:01:08] programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays
[1:01:10] and Friday well actually it's now it's
[1:01:11] just um
[1:01:13] >> yeah Monday.
[1:01:15] >> I mean I guess I'm not going to worry
[1:01:17] about that right now because it's
[1:01:20] $60,000 or something. It seems like
[1:01:23] maybe we'd be able to figure something
[1:01:25] out as we go forward in terms of finding
[1:01:28] $60,000. Um, right.
[1:01:31] >> That that doesn't go through her.
[1:01:32] >> It's not a matter of finding it.
[1:01:34] >> Well, I just figured we could figure out
[1:01:35] a way to work with her on on
[1:01:37] >> we
[1:01:39] >> just we found money for the youth line.
[1:01:42] >> No, I I know I I understand what we just
[1:01:44] did.
[1:01:44] >> As important the youth line is, it is
[1:01:47] very important for us to fund the city
[1:01:49] line. So, there's no doubt about it. It
[1:01:51] will have to be something that needs to
[1:01:53] go back into the budget regarding
[1:01:54] student,
[1:01:55] >> right? We just have to find the money.
[1:01:56] >> We could Well, we were going to do the
[1:01:58] golf course first for the youth program.
[1:02:00] Why couldn't we use the golf course
[1:02:01] revenue to support the seniors?
[1:02:03] >> Well, we already have youth.
[1:02:04] >> Let's let's not
[1:02:06] touch
[1:02:08] and get out of here. Um there's other
[1:02:10] thing I asked in the email in terms of
[1:02:12] two agencies. Um and we asked it the
[1:02:15] last time you were here. Do you have any
[1:02:18] in terms of um
[1:02:19] >> so the the two the two agencies um that
[1:02:23] my department has identified for art um
[1:02:26] that we have concerns around will be the
[1:02:28] foundation which is $339,300.
[1:02:35] Um
[1:02:37] and the second organization is the
[1:02:40] Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2
[1:02:42] million. Now the dar
[1:02:46] uh Mitch can join me if you have some
[1:02:50] you know detailed questions. Mitch has
[1:02:52] been working one on one with both
[1:02:55] organizations I've been involved as well
[1:02:57] of working oneonone. Marie has submitted
[1:03:01] a plan that is not really realistic to
[1:03:04] spend this money in time and they don't
[1:03:06] seem to have um the additional funding
[1:03:08] that's needed to carry out the project
[1:03:10] that was once identified at the time of
[1:03:13] application and coming to to council.
[1:03:16] That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton
[1:03:19] Hill. They are moving forward. They have
[1:03:21] a project manager now and they've
[1:03:24] submitted an updated plan. But with the
[1:03:26] time that we have given them to spend
[1:03:29] this money, it is 5050 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is
[1:03:36] working with them for a backup plan to
[1:03:38] maybe instead of doing a new build to do
[1:03:41] the older rehab their existing building
[1:03:45] already. So we have been trying to
[1:03:48] troubleshoot
[1:03:49] um troubleshoot.
[1:03:53] >> [clears throat]
[1:03:53] >> So Mitch, you want to give us any
[1:03:55] updates on where?
[1:03:56] >> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill
[1:03:58] [clears throat] and I was in we were
[1:04:01] introduced to their project manager who
[1:04:04] seems very confident. Um I just received
[1:04:07] a copy of a that I believe yesterday
[1:04:11] a bid he wants to send out to for the
[1:04:15] project to get it so they can get ahead
[1:04:17] of it started.
[1:04:19] uh [clears throat] and we will review
[1:04:21] that and get back to him and he's
[1:04:24] following the the policies and
[1:04:25] procedures to give any bits to us. So we
[1:04:28] will end up uh moving that forward and
[1:04:31] he or they understand that you know the concern is that you know their
[1:04:37] project manager has said that in order
[1:04:40] to spend the 1 to be sure we spend the
[1:04:42] 1.2 2 million by June 30th 2026.
[1:04:46] >> He needs about 6 months of construction
[1:04:49] based on his long. So
[1:04:53] if this starts and that's being that's
[1:04:56] you know making sure that he could spend
[1:04:57] it
[1:04:59] uh so if they started on January 1st
[1:05:02] which you know may or may not happen uh
[1:05:06] even if they started February so they
[1:05:09] may be able to do it. they they maybe
[1:05:11] they get spent 75%. There's no way to
[1:05:14] know but it's it's going to be cutting
[1:05:16] it very close to you know by that
[1:05:19] timeline. There is a backup plan if that
[1:05:22] doesn't seem to work for some reason and
[1:05:25] that is to you know switch over to
[1:05:27] repairs on the their existing building
[1:05:30] and they're they're doing a two-track
[1:05:33] kind of thing to see uh how they can go
[1:05:37] but that is once again like Alex said
[1:05:39] it's 50/50.
[1:05:41] I did have an opportunity today to meet
[1:05:44] with Metroplex and we're going to have a
[1:05:46] conversation with the Hill and Metroplex
[1:05:49] so they can offer some project
[1:05:50] management support to make sure that the
[1:05:52] project can move forward. Um I'm
[1:05:55] grateful that Metroplex is able to
[1:05:56] support us in that way because we don't
[1:05:58] have the capacity to offer full project
[1:06:01] management. So, we are working to try to
[1:06:05] >> um
[1:06:07] to assist them to make sure that the
[1:06:08] project is able to move forward. I'll
[1:06:10] add this that we gave our subreients one
[1:06:13] date and we gave ourselves a little bit
[1:06:16] of time in the event.
[1:06:18] >> Mhm.
[1:06:19] >> Then things stra. So, we do have a
[1:06:23] little bit of fluff time. We have some
[1:06:26] cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we
[1:06:29] did that contractually. We gave that one
[1:06:32] time, but we gave ourselves a little bit
[1:06:34] of time for [clears throat] projects
[1:06:36] that may be a little bit delayed. That
[1:06:38] was my that was actually my question
[1:06:40] because when we initially started this
[1:06:42] conversation with the CBG, excuse me,
[1:06:44] with the AR funds we were allocating, we
[1:06:47] consistently said people recipients that
[1:06:50] they had till the end of 2026. We said
[1:06:52] that council you said that. We said
[1:06:54] that. So I I believe that some people
[1:06:57] kind of thought they had just time and
[1:06:59] now um it's been less than by six months
[1:07:02] time. That's well understood. So
[1:07:04] [laughter]
[1:07:05] essentially my question is let's say
[1:07:07] they don't quite make it to the end of
[1:07:09] June. It takes them to the end of July.
[1:07:11] Is there still an opportunity to make
[1:07:12] sure that they get
[1:07:13] >> Yeah, there's still an there's still an
[1:07:15] opportunity. If we would have given them
[1:07:17] contracts to the end of the year, they
[1:07:19] would
[1:07:20] >> we don't have enough time to do
[1:07:21] reporting. We don't know what the US
[1:07:23] Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our
[1:07:27] ducks in the ducks in the row. So there is a little wiggle room, but
[1:07:31] there's not much. We're not saying
[1:07:32] there's four additional months because
[1:07:34] we want to give us ourselves time to
[1:07:36] compile whatever it is that is going to
[1:07:38] be required by Treasury.
[1:07:41] >> Thank you.
[1:07:41] >> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills
[1:07:44] is a great thing. Do you think that um
[1:07:46] that's a conversation you could have
[1:07:48] with them to assist maybe with Dur as
[1:07:50] well?
[1:07:52] I I'll relax. And what's most important
[1:07:54] is not even Metroplex being willing.
[1:07:57] Metroplex is our partner. So, they want
[1:07:58] to support us. It's about our subreients
[1:08:01] being willing to accept that um support.
[1:08:04] So, we're going to contact our
[1:08:06] subreients
[1:08:08] and and walk them through that and know
[1:08:10] that let them know that that support is
[1:08:12] available to them. I I think that DR is
[1:08:15] a different situation though because the
[1:08:18] funding for that project and Mitch can
[1:08:20] touch on that is not really aligned
[1:08:24] as as at the time of of application. So
[1:08:27] when they applied for it, they said they
[1:08:29] had XYZ funding. They've had a
[1:08:31] transition in leadership and she's
[1:08:33] identified that she doesn't know. I'll
[1:08:36] let Mitch elaborate.
[1:08:38] >> So I've met [clears throat] with
[1:08:40] Reverend Solomon of De Foundation. uh
[1:08:42] multiple times and uh
[1:08:47] she was not even aware of this in her
[1:08:50] only [clears throat] 25 that they
[1:08:51] [snorts] even had this.
[1:08:53] >> Uh so they did, you know, start moving
[1:08:56] forward and try and do some things and
[1:08:57] they ran into some snags.
[1:09:00] she did, you know, recently back on uh
[1:09:03] September 19th, I asked her for a
[1:09:06] revised scope of work and revised budget
[1:09:08] to see how it fits and she didn't do we
[1:09:11] revised budget of $128,000 of the
[1:09:14] $339,000.
[1:09:16] Uh however, it doesn't really meet the
[1:09:20] so the initial funding that we that the
[1:09:23] uh city was funding them for provided
[1:09:26] some some repairs and upgrades and
[1:09:29] furniture to get their steps program
[1:09:31] started uh which is a pretty
[1:09:33] comprehensive program and that was
[1:09:35] supposed to I have their timeline here
[1:09:37] and they were supposed to start
[1:09:38] construction
[1:09:40] uh in January and June construction
[1:09:42] would be done and we were going to fund
[1:09:44] the programming for a full year after
[1:09:49] uh this you know new funding which this
[1:09:54] new application obvious budget will not
[1:09:58] obviously fund a year's worth of
[1:10:03] uh work and the idea was that so they
[1:10:06] have 18 months basically of some you
[1:10:09] know equipment and upgrades and then a
[1:10:12] year's worth of a total of you know a
[1:10:14] year's worth six months rehab and
[1:10:17] equipment, 12 months of funding to get
[1:10:22] the program going. That would give them
[1:10:24] the impetus to continue to, you know,
[1:10:27] raise funds and and work to, you know,
[1:10:29] make sure it gets continued.
[1:10:31] >> They will not have that there. And I
[1:10:33] don't know how much they can
[1:10:34] realistically do in a six-month time
[1:10:36] frame between now, you know, six or
[1:10:38] eight month time frame between now and
[1:10:40] June.
[1:10:41] >> And not to get weeds in this, so this
[1:10:44] would be the last question around this.
[1:10:45] I know.
[1:10:46] >> No, but I just I think that this might
[1:10:48] be a [clears throat] little more
[1:10:48] granular than we want to get. So, if I'm
[1:10:51] understanding correctly, then there's
[1:10:53] money that was going to go into the like
[1:10:55] some construction of a place to house
[1:10:57] the program and then we were going to
[1:11:00] support said programming, right? So,
[1:11:04] would it be impactful for them? And I
[1:11:07] think this is something obviously they
[1:11:08] can help reach out to like if they if
[1:11:11] they found a partner that could provide
[1:11:13] them with a programming space that
[1:11:15] wouldn't require construction, would
[1:11:17] that help them or no? I guess I'm trying
[1:11:19] to figure out.
[1:11:20] >> They
[1:11:21] don't have the programming gear to go.
[1:11:25] >> Okay. Are you okay?
[1:11:27] >> That's you know they did put in their
[1:11:29] new budget project manager
[1:11:31] [clears throat]
[1:11:31] >> to try and get things started.
[1:11:33] >> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're
[1:11:36] starting a program from scratch and you
[1:11:38] know, Rebecca Solomon was uninvolved in
[1:11:41] the initial planning. So, she's coming
[1:11:43] in, you know, really fresh and
[1:11:48] >> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.
[1:11:51] >> When came to council, the program was
[1:11:53] supposedly already going.
[1:11:55] >> Yeah. [clears throat]
[1:11:57] Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was Okay.
[1:12:12] » [clears throat]
[1:12:15] » Sorry guys,
[1:12:17] I'm trying to propose myself to this one
[1:12:19] because
[1:12:21] [cough and clears throat] advocate for
[1:12:22] them to receive $525,000
[1:12:24] from the county to do the construction
[1:12:28] $75,000 to do the exterior.
[1:12:31] We're falling apart because we can't put
[1:12:33] the program together to manage our
[1:12:36] 328,000.
[1:12:39] >> I
[1:12:41] can't say a few more.
[1:12:42] >> Yeah, I I think that's something that
[1:12:45] seems like there's some key pieces
[1:12:47] missing that we might get, but I know
[1:12:48] where you're going. So, I think maybe a
[1:12:50] conversation.
[1:12:51] >> Let's have this.
[1:12:52] >> Yes.
[1:12:52] >> Any other questions? Thank you so much.
[1:12:54] Uh thank you. Any other questions?
[1:12:58] >> No, I think she's covered it. Is there
[1:13:01] anything that you want to tell us that
[1:13:02] you did not ask?
[1:13:06] >> No.
[1:13:06] >> You ask more money.
[1:13:07] >> Smart move. Smart move. I like that.
[1:13:10] There you open yourself more question.
[1:13:12] >> Thank you.
[1:13:13] so much. Thank you for good
[1:13:15] guidance today.
[1:13:16] >> Thank you.
[1:13:17] both.
[1:13:26] [clears throat]
[1:13:27] >> Chief
[1:13:29] Evening.
[1:13:41] » Good evening. How you all doing? All
[1:13:42] right. Sorry to get you all sweating.
[1:13:46] Blame it for the department. Ask me too
[1:13:48] many questions. [laughter]
[1:13:50] >> They know that.
[1:13:54] >> Oh,
[1:13:55] >> they would not find that hard. Um, so we
[1:13:57] have two questions on revenue. I'm let
[1:14:02] hopefully doesn't have that.
[1:14:05] The one has to do with follow of the
[1:14:07] email that we were sharing in terms of
[1:14:09] the um the delinquent um [clears throat]
[1:14:12] delinquent parking tickets
[1:14:14] >> that um we spoke about last year and if
[1:14:17] capital recovery is working with your
[1:14:20] team to kind of scare that and um
[1:14:24] looking at the actuals it's kind of like
[1:14:26] in my eyes it looks on the competition
[1:14:29] we had last year and how can we able to
[1:14:33] ramp that up to get some higher numbers
[1:14:35] into next next year.
[1:14:37] >> So, currently in year to date right now,
[1:14:40] as of yesterday or today, um we've had
[1:14:47] we had $130,64.95
[1:14:53] of outstanding tickets.
[1:14:57] » That's 1593
[1:15:00] tickets paid. Uh the oldest ticket was
[1:15:03] issued March 20th of 2000
[1:15:07] and then the most recent one was 6
[1:15:09] months.
[1:15:10] Anything delinquent has 6 months or more
[1:15:12] in order to be considered delinquent.
[1:15:15] The [clears throat]
[1:15:17] um
[1:15:19] November of 2024 is when we started
[1:15:23] working with uh Capital Recovery.
[1:15:25] because that's when the first uh 44,000
[1:15:28] I think tickets went out and last year I
[1:15:32] can't remember what the um the number
[1:15:34] was but the they're we're not paying
[1:15:37] anything to them. They're adding above
[1:15:39] and beyond what we're
[1:15:41] charged.
[1:15:45] It's a percentage of what they do.
[1:15:46] >> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.
[1:15:50] they've collected 32,961
[1:15:53] above and beyond what we've collected.
[1:15:55] >> Um that was what they've they charge for
[1:15:57] the service and lose any of our actual
[1:16:00] revenue for it.
[1:16:01] >> And
[1:16:03] there's I don't know there's maybe other
[1:16:06] options for another collection agency
[1:16:08] possibly, but there's that's really
[1:16:10] nothing that I don't know how other way
[1:16:12] to to do right now. We don't actually do
[1:16:14] any of this work. It goes from passport
[1:16:17] which is our agency goes right from
[1:16:20] there to uh Montgomery and they handle
[1:16:24] everything for us. So there's no city
[1:16:25] involvement as far as that goes and they
[1:16:28] just mail the letters out. We let the uh
[1:16:30] they let the fees and we pay down
[1:16:33] >> the agreement that we have with them can
[1:16:35] be taken more than recovery agency. We I
[1:16:38] have
[1:16:41] I believe it's going to be exclusive,
[1:16:42] but I don't know when we'd have to check
[1:16:45] the law department on that. I might be
[1:16:47] able to get a copy of it as well. But um
[1:16:51] we signed it in
[1:16:54] probably three years ago, four years
[1:16:56] ago. It took that long
[1:16:59] to take a long time to go.
[1:17:00] [clears throat]
[1:17:01] It very well could be expiring or be
[1:17:03] out, but um we can definitely find out
[1:17:06] when the when the contract expires on
[1:17:08] it.
[1:17:10] So from the time of Tuesday,
[1:17:14] October 14th, so it's like $8,000
[1:17:17] more than the last actual provider to
[1:17:21] me. Now
[1:17:21] >> yes that's you know they keep they keep
[1:17:24] adding on to the the amount I just want
[1:17:27] you spoke about yesterday
[1:17:30] that's $8,000
[1:17:33] >> in a in a 6 days 7 days period but the
[1:17:37] whole question is um
[1:17:40] the revenue that we have in the budget
[1:17:41] for 2020 is $170,000
[1:17:44] I was thinking that that sooner because
[1:17:47] they started last year they're ramping
[1:17:48] up now
[1:17:50] >> [laughter]
[1:17:52] » and work with them to be more aggressive
[1:17:55] in terms of pushing all the ticket as
[1:17:57] much as they can rather than leaving
[1:17:59] them and kind of say okay we'll take it
[1:18:01] from there but we want to make more of a
[1:18:03] hands-on approach and say guys give us a
[1:18:05] report every every two week every month
[1:18:07] or where you are and we need to kind of
[1:18:09] [clears throat] like ramp it up is that
[1:18:11] something that
[1:18:13] >> adding more uh work on your side
[1:18:15] >> so not there's really not much we can do
[1:18:17] from our side with capital recovery
[1:18:19] they're They mount letters out. Um they
[1:18:21] I think they do eight or nine series
[1:18:23] letters. So they they run all the data.
[1:18:25] They mount letters out. I don't know if
[1:18:27] they don't they make phone calls. They
[1:18:29] just they constantly mount the letters
[1:18:31] out. Um the only other thing that we do
[1:18:33] is we run details internally. So all
[1:18:37] these license plates are put into our
[1:18:39] LPRs. So our officers drive around the
[1:18:42] parking officers. If there's um $300 or
[1:18:45] more owed in tickets, like if the go
[1:18:48] off, if the officers are not on call,
[1:18:51] they might stop the officer or might
[1:18:54] stop the car or um in the morning
[1:18:56] traffic officers go out. Um I think
[1:18:59] >> yeah, I was going to touch I was going
[1:19:00] to touch that.
[1:19:03] >> I do have that right now.
[1:19:05] >> I just got this information. So
[1:19:08] [clears throat] this year, so I believe
[1:19:10] we ran 27 details.
[1:19:12] >> Mhm. Um, we've had 414
[1:19:18] vehicles that were towed. 414
[1:19:22] vehicles. So, some of those are older,
[1:19:25] some of those are new vehicles. As far
[1:19:27] as um, SC, as far as like some of them,
[1:19:32] that's people that owe $300 or more. The
[1:19:35] total revenue that brought in from that.
[1:19:37] Some of the people may not have paid um
[1:19:39] but the total outstanding tickets was
[1:19:41] $218,953
[1:19:44] from those and that cost us $24,26.
[1:19:51] » I'm sorry. [clears throat] 24,000
[1:19:52] >> $26.
[1:19:54] >> Thank you.
[1:19:56] >> Um
[1:19:58] for $218,000.
[1:20:01] So 2 has 27 stock details 414 vehicles
[1:20:04] towed 218,953
[1:20:07] recovered 24,26 in overtime and then
[1:20:10] gain of 194747.
[1:20:12] When I say net gain it's a gain however
[1:20:16] it's money owed to the city. So we're
[1:20:17] really paying the overtime but it's
[1:20:19] money the city already is owed anyway.
[1:20:22] So saying that gain however
[1:20:25] >> we're paying to get the revenue back.
[1:20:29] >> Yeah. When you look at it to be
[1:20:30] [clears throat and cough] We have the
[1:20:31] money set aside to pay for the overtime
[1:20:33] up or down recovery explosion of $28,000
[1:20:36] because if you didn't do that effort
[1:20:38] that 280,000 will be still out there.
[1:20:41] >> Yes.
[1:20:41] So that's 280
[1:20:43] >> almost 219,000.
[1:20:44] >> 28.
[1:20:46] >> So [clears throat] going back to the
[1:20:47] building,
[1:20:52] » would it be safe for us to increase
[1:20:54] $500,000?
[1:20:59] >> I
[1:21:01] would be gone.
[1:21:03] [laughter]
[1:21:05] >> So you're a whole bunch more.
[1:21:07] >> So I would
[1:21:08] >> No, no. Talking about the delinquent
[1:21:10] parking, but the recovery
[1:21:12] not the delinquent. I would say you're
[1:21:14] more apt to increase actual parking
[1:21:18] tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not
[1:21:23] the delinquent part. The delinquents are
[1:21:25] six months old and over.
[1:21:28] >> So even though we we've ran,000 taken in
[1:21:31] 200 something,000
[1:21:34] of that 2007,000 only 130,000 of it has
[1:21:38] been 6 months older.
[1:21:40] >> Okay.
[1:21:41] >> So of that 130 that's included in that
[1:21:43] too. So the rest of that money has been
[1:21:46] six months. So some people just I don't
[1:21:48] want to go too off track. Another figure
[1:21:51] I'm going to throw at you.
[1:22:00] I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old
[1:22:01] the one over six months was 101
[1:22:04] >> uh over 6 months is
[1:22:08] $130,64.95
[1:22:15] over six months. How far are back? Not
[1:22:18] >> back to 2000.
[1:22:18] >> Oh, to 2000. Yeah, we had three tickets
[1:22:20] from 2000 and then we had
[1:22:23] >> Louise
[1:22:25] >> five from 2001, one from 2003 when
[1:22:29] >> that was paid.
[1:22:32] >> When we were when [clears throat] we
[1:22:34] were going through the reports last
[1:22:35] year, we had we were we were looking at
[1:22:39] a few million dollars of that we think
[1:22:42] is like we can recover.
[1:22:44] >> Not the one that 10 years old and things
[1:22:46] like that, but it was like way beyond
[1:22:49] Anybody's [clears throat]
[1:22:51] reach
[1:22:55] what are we? [clears throat]
[1:22:59] » No.
[1:23:04] » So right now the you know for three
[1:23:08] years so money that is 3 years old or
[1:23:11] less is1,252,2851.25
[1:23:18] 25 million is three years or less. That
[1:23:21] is the the highest chance of recovery.
[1:23:26] If you go out a total of
[1:23:30] 10 years and older, just 10 years and
[1:23:34] one line alone, there is uh 41,000
[1:23:39] tickets that are 10 years and older. And
[1:23:42] that is like uh
[1:23:45] that money gonna say besides the fact
[1:23:49] that we got money we have 200 this year
[1:23:52] we
[1:23:54] >> $180 from 2000 most likely that
[1:23:58] >> so is there is there like so if the
[1:24:02] public knows that hey you know we're
[1:24:04] going out to get these funds owed to the
[1:24:06] city um is there like a I mean besides
[1:24:10] having to call down putting is there any like maybe like on an app
[1:24:14] or something where people can just enter
[1:24:16] in their I don't know if it would be
[1:24:18] their license or their car, you know,
[1:24:20] maybe their tag number because I'm
[1:24:22] thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got
[1:24:24] a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we
[1:24:27] have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it
[1:24:32] doesn't cost the manh hours as it can
[1:24:34] reduce some of the manh hours to collect
[1:24:36] some of that money. Is there a way to
[1:24:38] >> Yes, they can call in at any time or
[1:24:39] there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the
[1:24:42] website. It's I don't want to say I
[1:24:44] think it's connected what's on the main
[1:24:47] site but park pay or something like that
[1:24:50] and then the license plate didn't be
[1:24:52] able to pay and that'll go for all of
[1:24:54] the ticket not moving violations though
[1:24:55] that just be parking.
[1:24:57] >> Okay. All right. So um also if like
[1:25:01] somebody has
[1:25:04] app and they you know they take part the
[1:25:08] delinquent tickets also show off there
[1:25:10] don't they
[1:25:12] >> uh that would be
[1:25:13] >> amounts I don't know
[1:25:16] >> that I do not know
[1:25:18] >> I don't well I don't have one so I
[1:25:22] >> no so when you put something in your
[1:25:25] passport and they get a ticket that
[1:25:27] doesn't show up on
[1:25:28] under your parking fines.
[1:25:30] >> So yes, the park the same this is the
[1:25:33] same system. So I'm guessing that it
[1:25:35] probably is but I'm not I'm about to
[1:25:38] [clears throat]
[1:25:39] go back to 2000 or go back to four or
[1:25:42] five years ago
[1:25:43] >> cuz before [clears throat] passport it
[1:25:45] was plus
[1:25:47] >> so some of our reporting when you go
[1:25:50] back four years ago or five years ago
[1:25:52] the the reporting sides changed. So that
[1:25:56] probably is when you go back to the 5
[1:25:59] years.
[1:26:01] >> No, I don't mean five years. I meant
[1:26:03] like
[1:26:04] >> recent.
[1:26:05] >> Yeah.
[1:26:06] >> So probably show up. So if you if you
[1:26:09] have a ticket can go in the passport to
[1:26:12] pay for new parking or pay new parking
[1:26:15] spot.
[1:26:18] » You provide around less 1.2 million.
[1:26:21] >> Yes.
[1:26:22] >> Do you have a number up to five years?
[1:26:37] That includes the doubling of the fun
[1:26:50] through four years is 1.48. 48 million.
[1:26:55] >> Okay.
[1:26:58] >> What is the billing point?
[1:27:00] >> 14 1,48,614.
[1:27:04] » Okay.
[1:27:05] >> And then you add that fifth year
[1:27:13] [clears throat]
[1:27:16] is 1,671,244.
[1:27:25] And when you add the entire thing
[1:27:27] together as far back as our records go,
[1:27:30] >> um that's the 10 years and all the way
[1:27:32] back including everything is 5.25.
[1:27:36] >> We need that
[1:27:39] right on
[1:27:39] >> some of those people are
[1:27:41] >> yes they might have been deceased or you
[1:27:45] know moved.
[1:27:46] >> Yes. We can't [clears throat]
[1:27:50] >> this recovery first started in November
[1:27:52] of last year.
[1:27:53] >> November 2024
[1:27:55] since the first tickets got mailed out
[1:27:57] and then from that we've got I can't
[1:27:59] remember what it was last year. It was
[1:28:01] very low um because the first ticket
[1:28:04] went out. I can't remember what the the
[1:28:06] final revenue was very low. But so far
[1:28:09] this year we've got 130,000 so far this
[1:28:12] year. Um and it's it's scary. We still
[1:28:14] have two more months to go. So hopefully
[1:28:17] we'll we'll continue to to see that and
[1:28:19] every time ticket gets six months old
[1:28:23] and older, it automatically triggers
[1:28:25] that they start that flexing process. So
[1:28:28] right now
[1:28:30] um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588
[1:28:34] tickets have a total base value of
[1:28:37] 29,000 with penalties of 29,000.
[1:28:41] the total value of 59,165.
[1:28:44] And then 61 to 90 days, we have 634
[1:28:48] tickets outstanding with a total value
[1:28:49] of 65,000.
[1:28:51] 91 to 80 days, 192 tickets with a total
[1:28:55] value of 194,000. So as these tickets
[1:28:59] become older, if we don't get them
[1:29:01] through the SC details or people come in
[1:29:04] and pay them, those tickets become
[1:29:05] delinquent and they am not out and that
[1:29:08] will become in this revenue instead of
[1:29:09] our regular revenue. But our parking
[1:29:13] revenue is um the highest spend ever
[1:29:16] just because our our parking guys are
[1:29:18] out there really.
[1:29:20] >> I think we they talked about this but
[1:29:22] I'm not sure about DMV. When would
[1:29:24] [clears throat] this report to DMV
[1:29:26] >> that um I don't have the answer to that
[1:29:31] one?
[1:29:32] >> Okay.
[1:29:33] >> It's not uh that the law has changed
[1:29:36] over the last couple years. So, as far
[1:29:38] as the fines go as far as it being just
[1:29:43] a fine, they don't I don't believe they
[1:29:46] do go unless there's other kind of
[1:29:48] circumstances. I don't know what those
[1:29:50] are. But overall, I mean, starting last
[1:29:52] November and the efforts, I mean, this
[1:29:54] year, $130,000 and we still have two
[1:29:57] months to go and it's a good effort. I
[1:29:59] still sense the feeling that um we're
[1:30:01] going to do better next year because
[1:30:03] people going to get these tickets more
[1:30:04] often. We're going to get the letter
[1:30:06] repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better protection into next year might
[1:30:16] be a better you know
[1:30:20] better better for revenue in terms of
[1:30:21] how we we have right now $170,000
[1:30:25] cuz
[1:30:27] let's say you collect $150,000 this year
[1:30:31] next year going to be people they're
[1:30:34] going to start pay they realize that
[1:30:35] they're getting this letter now it never
[1:30:36] used to happen all of a sudden I'm
[1:30:38] getting letter notified me that I have I
[1:30:40] was planning to kick a steady so I need
[1:30:42] to pay for it
[1:30:46] now.
[1:30:46] >> So it's likely going to kind of like
[1:30:49] >> increase up for a little while then
[1:30:51] it'll peak and then [clears throat]
[1:30:53] >> we'll it'll start to go down a little
[1:30:54] bit but to your point right now it's
[1:30:56] trending up. So you're saying
[1:30:58] >> to maybe increase that line a little bit
[1:31:00] because of it's trending up. is driving
[1:31:02] up because people are getting they the
[1:31:05] agency is sending out letters notifying
[1:31:08] individual that they have outstanding
[1:31:10] tickets.
[1:31:11] >> So what are you thinking now after
[1:31:12] hearing that? What do you think?
[1:31:14] >> Not $500,000.
[1:31:17] [laughter]
[1:31:17] >> Chief is looking at
[1:31:21] sitting there. I have to like I have to
[1:31:22] like push them [laughter] all.
[1:31:24] >> She's about to go out there right now
[1:31:25] and start.
[1:31:29] Okay.
[1:31:32] >> All right.
[1:31:35] » It's good information. That's why that's
[1:31:36] why I asked for you to be back here
[1:31:38] because
[1:31:38] >> right while they're here,
[1:31:39] >> we can sit here. We can sit here and you
[1:31:42] know say our you know come up with our
[1:31:44] estimate but here where you are and this
[1:31:46] is the detail that we need.
[1:31:48] >> So that is good information and we'll take that into consideration. And
[1:31:51] the next one I want to touch on is the followup uh email the second I think
[1:31:56] is the same email second page in terms
[1:31:59] of the detail and the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um
[1:32:04] 7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that
[1:32:09] you put there. I apologize if I don't
[1:32:11] want to go more about [clears throat]
[1:32:13] >> um how often are they doing this? So
[1:32:17] this every day
[1:32:18] >> no those are the calls we call it stop
[1:32:20] law detail it's not really Scott law we
[1:32:22] just call it that's been called so we
[1:32:23] went out 27 times uh in 2025 year to
[1:32:28] date and
[1:32:30] uh usually we have three two or three
[1:32:33] officers working
[1:32:36] I think typically three looks like three
[1:32:39] almost every time actually um
[1:32:42] the dates and times I think that we
[1:32:44] worked in but we had 44 14 vehicles were
[1:32:47] towed. We recovered uh $218,953
[1:32:55] outstanding tickets,
[1:32:57] >> we [clears throat] spent $24,26
[1:33:00] in overtime
[1:33:01] >> 20. Oh, that's the same as you already
[1:33:04] told us that. Okay. for everyone
[1:33:07] city got back at approximately $95 back
[1:33:10] in return. The u
[1:33:15] do we expect new 127 details uh that we
[1:33:22] wanted to run. If we were to do it again
[1:33:24] next year, we got 80% coverage in 2026.
[1:33:27] If we ran 42 details and we did the same
[1:33:30] thing if we ran approximately 644
[1:33:33] vehicles, we take in approximately
[1:33:36] $340,000
[1:33:39] would cost us about $37,600.
[1:33:43] The projected net gain of $32,000
[1:33:47] as a
[1:33:48] >> where is this accounted in the revenue?
[1:33:51] Oh, so the um
[1:33:53] >> that's fine.
[1:33:54] >> The regular regular is included in the
[1:33:58] uh regular parking price.
[1:34:00] >> Yeah.
[1:34:00] >> Okay. That's
[1:34:01] >> So that's the 200,000 for
[1:34:04] [clears throat] the but I did not
[1:34:05] include any extra in the parking. So if
[1:34:08] we were to say we're doing more parking,
[1:34:10] we could uh definitely put another
[1:34:12] 100,000 in there. I would have stayed
[1:34:14] there. We would be spending another
[1:34:16] 17,000 in overtime here from what
[1:34:19] overall we expect this year in for
[1:34:23] detail. That's what
[1:34:26] >> overall we are now losing against the
[1:34:29] effort. We're gaining almost 10 time
[1:34:34] $100,000 by spending $17,000 is what is
[1:34:38] over the last two years is what he's
[1:34:41] traffic. Do you see this as something
[1:34:43] that we can do more often?
[1:34:45] >> As long as we can get the guys to go out
[1:34:47] and do it, then yes. This is something
[1:34:49] we done in the last couple years and it
[1:34:53] was
[1:34:54] over the last few years that hasn't been
[1:34:56] done
[1:34:58] consistently. Last year, uh, it started
[1:35:01] to be a little bit now where the tenant
[1:35:02] traffic is is very organized and does
[1:35:06] very good job. So now it's it's when he
[1:35:09] plans it. So what he actually does ahead
[1:35:11] of time just goes around and
[1:35:15] out there. He go finds all the vehicles
[1:35:17] that have been picked or the heaviest
[1:35:20] finds the ones that had the most the
[1:35:22] most money that are
[1:35:26] the guys that owes the most money.
[1:35:28] >> There's 27 detail.
[1:35:32] How what is the time span between that?
[1:35:35] [snorts]
[1:35:35] Six months, three months.
[1:35:37] >> Uh we did one January 9th, one January
[1:35:41] 15th. So it was from January 9th.
[1:35:44] >> Yeah. Two months.
[1:35:46] >> Two months.
[1:35:49] Now bear in mind, I just
[1:35:51] want to say this that we recogn
[1:35:55] recognized that we get 10x our effort
[1:35:58] here. But when we gave our budget
[1:36:01] request for this year, we only we only
[1:36:03] budget it. We only ask for what we
[1:36:05] develop could cover twice a month.
[1:36:08] >> So we we have to the resources that
[1:36:11] we're given, we have to balance them off
[1:36:13] really for our core mission to family
[1:36:15] life and property, not necessarily
[1:36:17] revenue generation. Of course, we'll do
[1:36:19] whatever you ask us to do. So
[1:36:21] [clears throat] if you want us to do
[1:36:22] more, we do overtime to reflect that
[1:36:25] >> so we can pay the officers. So within
[1:36:28] the period of January to February 20 27
[1:36:30] retail and you recover almost 293,000
[1:36:36] » January to [clears throat]
[1:36:40] that was that was like that was between
[1:36:41] January.
[1:36:43] >> January
[1:36:45] two per month.
[1:36:46] >> Yeah. Two per month.
[1:36:48] >> I know I was excited.
[1:36:50] >> So we did three in January, three in
[1:36:51] February, two in March, uh three in
[1:36:54] April. Oh, one in June, two in July.
[1:36:59] >> Okay.
[1:37:04] » So, so you're doing it based on
[1:37:06] availability, based on officers taking
[1:37:09] off time within that period of time.
[1:37:11] 3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.
[1:37:14] >> That's primarily time.
[1:37:15] >> That's all.
[1:37:18] >> Go ahead.
[1:37:20] It doesn't have so it has to be over
[1:37:21] time. I can't so uh officers are at the
[1:37:24] break regular shift and not I won't say
[1:37:28] in their downtime but like in between
[1:37:31] time
[1:37:31] >> so they can so our parking officers do
[1:37:33] it during the daytime when they're
[1:37:34] working that's they definitely do that
[1:37:36] our officers if they are working if they
[1:37:38] have downtime they can right now on
[1:37:41] midnights um they have an assignment
[1:37:43] where they are doing parking tickets
[1:37:44] overnight um may have gotten some
[1:37:46] complaints from that because they they
[1:37:48] [laughter] have picked up their
[1:37:49] >> Oh yes
[1:37:49] >> they have picked up their parking They
[1:37:51] are uh they are doing pretty aggressive
[1:37:55] parking and if they come across any
[1:37:56] scops they do. Uh the details are more
[1:37:58] of a targeted to get where he goes
[1:38:00] through and finds the people that have
[1:38:04] basically go through and finds him and
[1:38:06] then take a while to get they line up
[1:38:08] the tow trucks ahead of time so they're
[1:38:09] not waiting. So they're letting the
[1:38:12] truck drivers know, hey, we're doing a
[1:38:13] scout detail tonight. Can you have a
[1:38:15] couple extra drivers on drivers know hey
[1:38:18] you're doing it? And then he lines up
[1:38:19] the the tow companies and lets everybody
[1:38:21] know we're going how I'm doing it. So
[1:38:23] it's it's like a
[1:38:25] >> it's a mission.
[1:38:27] >> So it's so
[1:38:30] >> I was just going to say that there is
[1:38:32] there are some tensions to balance here.
[1:38:34] >> Right. Right. So I mean and and because
[1:38:37] I know we're seeing dollar signs and I'm
[1:38:39] like oh but I I want to be
[1:38:41] >> just be mindful that we don't want to
[1:38:43] make up our entire you know uh uh we're
[1:38:46] not trying to look at our entire deficit
[1:38:49] well force seed deficit right now on for
[1:38:51] ticketing. I think that that's a law. It can get to a point where it be where
[1:38:56] it is feels predatory on the people that
[1:38:59] live here, which then will really put
[1:39:02] our uh officers in a tough position as
[1:39:06] we're still trying to maintain and build
[1:39:08] strong community partnerships. So, we
[1:39:10] have that's something we have to keep in
[1:39:11] mind.
[1:39:12] >> So, does this priority are $300 plus?
[1:39:15] >> These are only 300 plus. We do not so
[1:39:18] far less than that.
[1:39:20] um just because that's the number you
[1:39:22] see that's how much code is. So we're
[1:39:23] not take doing that. If somebody does
[1:39:25] come out and they have they want to pay
[1:39:27] it, they can they can pay it for the
[1:39:29] card right through their through the
[1:39:31] app. They can they can do that. So we're
[1:39:33] not taking somebody's car if they they
[1:39:35] do want to pay that. and they've
[1:39:38] received uh right through the uh the
[1:39:41] formula that we can see we can see how
[1:39:43] many times in the dates that they
[1:39:45] received letters and how many contacts
[1:39:46] they've had prior so they didn't know
[1:39:48] about it. [clears throat]
[1:39:49] >> We can actually see the letter that they
[1:39:51] received and how many times. So
[1:39:53] typically, you know, it's um they got
[1:39:56] received the ticket, received a notice
[1:39:58] that it was going to double. Then it's
[1:40:01] they've typically see four or five
[1:40:03] notices before we're actually taking the
[1:40:05] car at time. So there's they've received
[1:40:07] many notices before.
[1:40:09] >> It's not we're not just it's
[1:40:11] >> showing that that detail and just taking
[1:40:16] >> people typically know that we're
[1:40:20] taking [clears throat] they don't
[1:40:20] they're not happy about it. They they don't
[1:40:23] >> and said that the benefit of getting
[1:40:26] around is pay your ticket when you get
[1:40:28] it.
[1:40:28] >> People start paying rent. So it's it's a
[1:40:30] balance and the more we do the less
[1:40:32] opportunity we'll have to be around.
[1:40:37] >> Any question
[1:40:38] for you? This is good information. Thank
[1:40:40] you.
[1:40:40] >> I thought we asked something about speed
[1:40:41] cameras, didn't we? Didn't you have
[1:40:42] something about speed cameras you was
[1:40:44] asking?
[1:40:45] >> Yeah, you had a question about that
[1:40:47] revenue and it was based on
[1:40:55] results.
[1:40:55] >> Yes, we do. So we bought I think $2.3
[1:40:58] million for the free damage.
[1:41:01] >> Yes. For the
[1:41:04] came up with that.
[1:41:06] So I just threw a dart out there and I
[1:41:08] said, "Let's go." [laughter]
[1:41:12] » For you.
[1:41:17] » So instead of me do a hand out for
[1:41:20] everybody.
[1:41:22] >> Yeah, everybody. It's the easiest way.
[1:41:25] Everybody has it. Just so this is with
[1:41:28] the help of a vendor
[1:41:30] name that I think
[1:41:33] that we had a demo with that we were
[1:41:36] thinking about using.
[1:41:37] >> Oh, okay.
[1:41:40] >> And
[1:41:41] the stats
[1:41:44] they gave us with the averages of what
[1:41:48] um
[1:41:50] the city's like powers meet. this
[1:41:54] the say that typically
[1:41:57] uh we so in the legislation that has not
[1:41:59] been signed yet. So I'm not sure if
[1:42:01] that's I have a copy of that but that
[1:42:03] has not been signed. It's made it
[1:42:06] [clears throat] through both houses but
[1:42:08] has not been signed.
[1:42:10] >> I think in there it says the city of
[1:42:13] Skenctity if approved would have 20 up
[1:42:15] to 20 zones. So the zones could be 20
[1:42:19] different ways. So the
[1:42:22] average, this is a conservative average
[1:42:26] >> for a city our size compared to what
[1:42:28] they do. They do these across the US and
[1:42:31] other countries as well, but be 400
[1:42:34] tickets per both directions per month.
[1:42:38] >> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid
[1:42:43] um for a certain amount of time and
[1:42:45] those have a 60% collection rate.
[1:42:48] >> Wow. then escalate to a $75
[1:42:53] payment and then there's a 10%
[1:42:54] collection rate on that and then there's
[1:42:56] 30% that stay uncollected or over time
[1:42:59] they slowly trickle in then so on here I
[1:43:03] put the numbers 240 40
[1:43:07] so then we this is still would be
[1:43:10] negotiation but I'm putting in their
[1:43:12] assumption of 50% of the same share that
[1:43:16] it's per direction So each direction we
[1:43:19] would have receive 6,000,500
[1:43:22] and then get 4,500 on collective which
[1:43:25] sit there and we would have discussions
[1:43:26] like on how we're going to collect that
[1:43:27] money. Um multiply that up by the point
[1:43:30] zones
[1:43:32] each direction and the nine months a
[1:43:35] year of the assumptions and that's where
[1:43:38] I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1
[1:43:40] million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million
[1:43:44] over there
[1:43:46] and then down below was 2.6 7 for 9, 2.4
[1:43:50] for 8 if and if it didn't come right
[1:43:52] away if the legislation or the bill was
[1:43:54] not signed until later on.
[1:43:56] >> And now there is you can also run it for
[1:44:00] schools that run summer school. You can
[1:44:02] run it
[1:44:03] >> for those or any schools that have
[1:44:05] activities that are school related in
[1:44:07] the summertime. So you can run it for
[1:44:09] more months than that.
[1:44:10] >> You can or you can't
[1:44:11] >> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year
[1:44:13] round or any any time that a school
[1:44:15] function is in place. So you can run it,
[1:44:17] but the most places
[1:44:20] I'm very conservative and I went with
[1:44:22] the assumption 9 months.
[1:44:25] >> The council mayor may decide not to go
[1:44:28] with 20 zones. We have a list of all the
[1:44:30] schools. So depending on where everybody
[1:44:32] wants to see them, you may go with not
[1:44:34] 20 zones or it may not make sense to do
[1:44:37] >> both directions. Some schools might make
[1:44:40] sense to only go one way instead of
[1:44:42] going both ways. M.
[1:44:43] >> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.
[1:44:46] I took these numbers and then I dropped
[1:44:49] them down. So just in case there was
[1:44:51] some
[1:44:53] higher than these obviously those in the
[1:44:55] papers, you know. Um but these are
[1:44:58] [clears throat] this is where the
[1:44:59] numbers started from before I was just
[1:45:02] because I don't find you guys later on
[1:45:05] that.
[1:45:06] >> Okay. So in Albany there's so I I think
[1:45:10] I remember reading that that like people
[1:45:13] were challenging the tickets and they
[1:45:15] were
[1:45:16] being successful and challenging based
[1:45:18] on how those tickets were issued. Is
[1:45:20] that like something that you're aware of
[1:45:22] that?
[1:45:23] >> So that I don't know about those as far
[1:45:25] as more like bus patrol. I know you guys
[1:45:28] questions on those as well. The bus
[1:45:29] patrol tickets those were
[1:45:31] >> Oh, I was talking about the school speed
[1:45:33] zone tickets.
[1:45:34] Yeah,
[1:45:35] >> I'm not super familiar so much with
[1:45:37] those being um tested as more as the bus
[1:45:40] controls definitely were.
[1:45:42] >> Okay. So,
[1:45:42] >> and there is a now there's been some
[1:45:44] changes to how the system works and how
[1:45:46] the certifications are and those have
[1:45:49] been worked around and although that's
[1:45:50] been fixed.
[1:45:51] >> So, [clears throat] if there was some
[1:45:53] can test something that was tested on
[1:45:55] that. I'm sure that's either fixed or if
[1:45:56] it works to be fixed. There was some uh
[1:45:59] slight things with bus control when it
[1:46:01] first came out. They needed to have a
[1:46:02] different angle and there had to be a
[1:46:04] certification
[1:46:05] >> like a plate picture on there
[1:46:07] >> and that was fixed. Luckily we were on
[1:46:10] the back end of getting it when other
[1:46:14] people were so we didn't have that that
[1:46:17] issue.
[1:46:18] >> Um so if there that was an issue I don't
[1:46:22] I'm sure that will be executed by the
[1:46:24] time we are
[1:46:25] >> cool. Go ahead.
[1:46:27] >> Thank you. You said on [clears throat]
[1:46:29] this you haven't decided how to collect
[1:46:31] these.
[1:46:33] Elaborate on that. So [clears throat]
[1:46:34] >> the the uncollected the
[1:46:36] >> Oh, the uncollect.
[1:46:37] >> So this right here is is again what kind
[1:46:39] of works like bus patrol,
[1:46:40] >> right?
[1:46:41] >> This one the the system sends the P or
[1:46:44] it can be somebody else uh video in a
[1:46:47] picture of a car.
[1:46:50] This in the legislation has to be over
[1:46:52] 10 miles an hour. So if the school speed
[1:46:55] zone is 20, it has to be at least 31
[1:46:57] miles per hour. So it can't be anything
[1:46:59] less than 10 miles per hour. So it's
[1:47:01] automatically set to 11 miles per hour.
[1:47:03] >> Okay?
[1:47:04] >> So school zones 20 or 15 whereas
[1:47:07] >> it has to be 11 miles hour before it
[1:47:10] gets triggered.
[1:47:11] >> And then there's a picture, there's the
[1:47:13] video, there's license plate, and then
[1:47:16] it gets their company reviews it. And
[1:47:18] then it gets sent to us. We we review it
[1:47:21] and then get sent to the video and the
[1:47:24] picture gets sent to the registered
[1:47:25] owner. These I believe more people are
[1:47:29] willing to pay these. It's $50 or the
[1:47:32] bus patrol tickets $250 and these are
[1:47:35] $50. So I think that's why these have a
[1:47:37] higher collection rate than some of the
[1:47:38] other ones.
[1:47:40] >> But there would you need an officer or
[1:47:42] someone to review what they what the
[1:47:44] company's done too.
[1:47:45] >> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what
[1:47:47] we're doing currently as well. So every
[1:47:49] time somebody we do those videos it uh
[1:47:52] we have to review those and then after
[1:47:54] we review it the law department if
[1:47:56] somebody says
[1:47:57] >> no
[1:47:59] testing it then the law department
[1:48:01] reviews it and then they they'll bring
[1:48:02] it to court.
[1:48:04] >> Go ahead.
[1:48:04] >> So it's a little off this but I did
[1:48:07] recently have a phone call from a
[1:48:09] resident who had received the higher
[1:48:11] ticket and basically said why were you
[1:48:15] there that's my car.
[1:48:19] etc. And I So my question is, which is
[1:48:21] not related to budget, I'm sorry. I told
[1:48:23] her to call the police department or go
[1:48:26] down to the police department and and is
[1:48:29] that was that the right advice to give
[1:48:31] this person?
[1:48:31] >> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their
[1:48:33] car, then um definitely look at it. A
[1:48:37] lot of times we get their say that
[1:48:39] there's no way that I would do something
[1:48:40] like that. And if that's the case, then
[1:48:42] we would say the law department would be
[1:48:43] the way to go. Um
[1:48:45] >> gotcha. So they would be able to there
[1:48:49] in the mail actually has a link where
[1:48:50] they can watch the video of the vehicle.
[1:48:54] >> The ticket, the video, the pictures, all
[1:48:57] sorts of things happen. But if some for
[1:48:59] some reason they say that's not my car,
[1:49:01] then that would be like okay, we could review it and we would say
[1:49:04] that's a night license plate that's not
[1:49:06] a a blue Buick
[1:49:08] >> and then we would be able to tell if
[1:49:10] there's an issue with the registration
[1:49:11] vehicle and we could take care of that.
[1:49:13] But if it's there's no way that I don't
[1:49:15] think that I actually ran through it.
[1:49:18] >> Most people 99% of the people aren't
[1:49:20] don't say that because it's it's clearly
[1:49:23] clear as that. You actually see like
[1:49:24] four angles. I think it's referring to
[1:49:26] the bus. You actually see yourself going
[1:49:28] through it.
[1:49:29] >> Um it's very it's very clear. I would
[1:49:32] say that's all part because once the
[1:49:33] ticket's issued, we can't unless it's a
[1:49:35] technical issue, we can't get rid of it.
[1:49:37] So it's
[1:49:38] >> so once the ticket is issued.
[1:49:40] >> Okay. So thank you. Um, so you said that
[1:49:43] this estimate of how much we would get.
[1:49:46] So there's room for negotiation that we
[1:49:48] could get 60% versus 50.
[1:49:50] >> There it's possible. Um, I believe that
[1:49:52] the 50 is going to probably be where it
[1:49:55] is, but we there's the potential. There
[1:49:57] is potential for that. The uh our bus
[1:50:00] patrol started off as a different rate
[1:50:04] and then we renewed after a year. uh our
[1:50:07] commissioner really beat him up and got
[1:50:09] us a better rate after one year and
[1:50:12] >> Oh, I remember that.
[1:50:13] >> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.
[1:50:16] >> So, we have not signed obviously signed
[1:50:18] anything. It's a master service
[1:50:20] agreement. It's um we don't pay anything
[1:50:22] for the company that we currently engage
[1:50:25] with. The city pays no money with it.
[1:50:28] It's they install everything. They do
[1:50:30] everything. They collect some money. Um,
[1:50:33] but there was no cost to us, but there
[1:50:36] would be a negotiation phase to it. So,
[1:50:40] >> does that mean I can increase this to
[1:50:41] 400,000?
[1:50:43] [laughter]
[1:50:45] >> I would say if uh if anybody knows the
[1:50:47] governor, if you want to call her, have
[1:50:48] her sign the right way in. I know soon
[1:50:51] as she soon as we do get it put in,
[1:50:53] obviously we want to do a uh a campaign
[1:50:56] right away to advise everybody, right?
[1:50:58] That's definitely the the right way to
[1:51:00] do it is to we can even they starting
[1:51:03] sooner than later to put it out say
[1:51:06] these are coming just uh once she signs
[1:51:09] it I believe it's following month that
[1:51:11] they can start putting them out I think
[1:51:12] is how the the law works
[1:51:15] >> and I think they can get them in between
[1:51:16] like 7 to 14 days if we were to go into
[1:51:18] certain company and everybody agreed
[1:51:21] that contract is signed they go pretty
[1:51:23] quick but they definitely want to do a
[1:51:27] at least a month or several weeks of a campaign, let people know what's
[1:51:30] happening because
[1:51:32] stick them out there, right? Products,
[1:51:35] but they do do a like a mailing out
[1:51:38] campaign. So, it's it can be however
[1:51:41] long it's decided where they'll get like
[1:51:43] a warning for a certain amount of time,
[1:51:45] they'll get to actually get warning to
[1:51:48] say, you know, you're speeding and
[1:51:51] >> slow down.
[1:51:54] Go ahead. So, do you can you get the
[1:51:57] legislative the number of Oh, you have
[1:51:59] it. Thank you. Because I [clears throat]
[1:52:01] >> like to follow up on this.
[1:52:03] >> Here are two copies.
[1:52:06] >> Thank you.
[1:52:09] [clears throat]
[1:52:10] >> Are there any other questions?
[1:52:15] » Well, in terms of the funding, this is
[1:52:17] the detail is categorized under the
[1:52:20] >> on revenue. Yes. So 610 AMD
[1:52:25] approximately the [clears throat]
[1:52:26] >> do you have where where would this fall
[1:52:29] or you
[1:52:31] own its own mine? I believe he I believe
[1:52:34] commissioner
[1:52:36] >> you talking about
[1:52:37] >> this this detail recovered 219,000 but
[1:52:41] it's not in
[1:52:46] that
[1:52:48] 26 2610
[1:52:51] >> B okay
[1:52:59] 2610
[1:53:01] >> [clears throat]
[1:53:03] >> Okay,
[1:53:04] I got a question for the chief.
[1:53:07] >> Well,
[1:53:08] um I think that I I think he probably
[1:53:11] had to have to leave, but Mr. Williams
[1:53:13] had asked about a couple of the capital
[1:53:16] budget pieces,
[1:53:19] >> right? I think of the green.
[1:53:23] >> It was answered.
[1:53:25] >> Oh, this is an old I thought this we
[1:53:27] just had this tonight.
[1:53:29] I think the name October 22nd is the
[1:53:32] date from the school
[1:53:35] tonight.
[1:53:36] >> Yeah.
[1:53:38] >> So he
[1:53:40] um two of his recommendations and I know
[1:53:43] we had the discussion already about the
[1:53:44] capital fund. Uh the capital budget
[1:53:47] doesn't affect our what we're looking
[1:53:49] for here but it would affect us next
[1:53:51] year. So I think it's worth um trying to
[1:53:54] ask the questions. And so on his behalf,
[1:53:57] um he's wondering um about removing from
[1:54:02] the police department half of the
[1:54:03] vehicle allocations as well as um
[1:54:07] removing department evidence storage
[1:54:10] solutions. Um so that would be 273k for
[1:54:13] the first two gay. Um so would you like
[1:54:18] to talk about what impact that would
[1:54:20] have if we were to um try to reduce the
[1:54:24] capital budget by
[1:54:26] >> so I'll start off with the evidence um
[1:54:29] that one I've actually tried to apply
[1:54:31] for grant in the past um that one right
[1:54:34] now we have station
[1:54:39] to um that are in and out is full so
[1:54:44] we're supposed to be pulling policy says
[1:54:46] we're actually pulling the salt by the
[1:54:49] prisoners in and out
[1:54:51] >> and we can't because it is full of uh we
[1:54:55] have over bikes. We have
[1:54:59] um our deliveries and other items coming
[1:55:02] inside of there. So, we have no room in
[1:55:05] there because where we were supposed to
[1:55:06] keep that stuff is full evidence. So
[1:55:09] down in the parking lot uh right bro is
[1:55:13] completely full of evidence and our
[1:55:15] basement is completely full of evidence
[1:55:17] and we have absolutely no room left for
[1:55:20] it.
[1:55:21] >> Okay.
[1:55:21] >> Um and besides that
[1:55:23] >> besides that we actually uh we have 10
[1:55:26] freezers in our basement that uh is
[1:55:29] currently they're overheated and we're
[1:55:32] getting them worked on regularly because
[1:55:34] we don't have any track in that room in
[1:55:36] the building. We wanted to I thought we
[1:55:39] were going to do a bigger project, but I
[1:55:40] think that's future years that's going
[1:55:42] to be extremely expensive,
[1:55:44] >> right?
[1:55:44] >> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000
[1:55:48] um HVAC mini smaller project that we had
[1:55:51] quote for last year to get uh air
[1:55:54] conditioning air venting in
[1:55:58] our freezing with water. And though all
[1:56:01] our freezers are full, so we need
[1:56:03] freezer space. Um, unfortunately, we're out of it. So, we have to buy it.
[1:56:07] We had to buy another freezer and we
[1:56:09] don't have a place to put it. So,
[1:56:11] $10,000.
[1:56:12] >> So, long story short is we that is the
[1:56:15] most crucial thing of anything.
[1:56:16] Obviously, we can talk about the other
[1:56:18] things, but we are chucked out of space
[1:56:20] and we we need we need space very badly.
[1:56:24] >> One of the reasons for that is that
[1:56:26] state changed the detention rates that
[1:56:28] we had to. So, now we can't get rid of
[1:56:30] evidence.
[1:56:30] >> Yeah. We got into
[1:56:33] one was unfunded mandates where they
[1:56:35] have to keep these for 30 years now and
[1:56:37] >> 30 years.
[1:56:39] >> We [clears throat] gave up our break
[1:56:40] room for store evidence. We just keep
[1:56:42] losing space in our building store
[1:56:44] evidence that has to be stored for
[1:56:47] upwards of 30 years and she just me but
[1:56:51] we budgeted we budgeted higher than
[1:56:53] 50,000 ready to cut it down.
[1:56:56] >> Yes. We asked for uh we asked for we
[1:57:00] asked for uh for storage freezer and
[1:57:04] training and it got cut from the 700
[1:57:07] down to the free spot for now so you can
[1:57:10] move some stuff around. So it moves down
[1:57:12] to down to the bar
[1:57:15] like and obviously next year we coming
[1:57:17] back and asking for
[1:57:19] other
[1:57:20] >> and then the other well just to finish
[1:57:23] the other one that Mr. Williams was
[1:57:25] asking about was half the vehicle
[1:57:27] obligations as well. I highly
[1:57:30] >> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want
[1:57:32] to, but if that's a decision that um
[1:57:34] there is, then we would just do that.
[1:57:36] Right now, that was cut down from the
[1:57:38] initial uh we had asked for
[1:57:42] >> 13 I think that's down to nine, I think.
[1:57:44] So, that's one parking vehicle, three
[1:57:46] patrol vehicles, and four detected
[1:57:48] vehicles. One evidence down. Oh,
[1:57:51] >> I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes. So,
[1:57:53] that's If we had to do that, then we
[1:57:56] would we would make do with do that. So,
[1:57:58] whatever.
[1:57:59] >> The danger with that is we're talking
[1:58:02] the ability to buy cars next March or
[1:58:04] next May, and it's usually about a
[1:58:07] one-year process from getting it and
[1:58:09] getting it upfitted before it hits the
[1:58:10] streets. The ones that were approved
[1:58:12] that we purchased this past May, we
[1:58:14] haven't even gotten them yet.
[1:58:16] >> Yeah. One today, actually, yesterday.
[1:58:18] >> Or was that from the year before? That
[1:58:19] was from the year before. So, May of 24.
[1:58:23] Mhm.
[1:58:23] >> We haven't gotten those colors yet. So,
[1:58:25] there's always that.
[1:58:30] » So, I'm going to finish up the shipping.
[1:58:34] I have a shipping container. Is that is
[1:58:36] that essential to buy from people to
[1:58:39] make
[1:58:40] >> like that's in the capital
[1:58:45] anywhere? So we're actually from
[1:58:47] speaking to the mayor either locate them
[1:58:50] in an area of our parking lot that's
[1:58:52] currently grass a grassy null or
[1:58:55] potentially put them on top of the
[1:58:57] police department because there's a flat
[1:58:58] roof that can wait stand that way just
[1:59:01] looking for space to utilize in l of
[1:59:04] building a building or buying a building
[1:59:07] putting on top of the building that
[1:59:09] would be it we we haven't gone through
[1:59:12] that vetting process yet. thick. Yes,
[1:59:14] it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this
[1:59:17] a full freezer. It' be a a freezer by 8
[1:59:21] by40 freezer
[1:59:22] >> which is more efficient than running 10
[1:59:24] individual commercial
[1:59:26] >> you use less power. It's an investment.
[1:59:28] It's a lower cost time.
[1:59:31] >> Go ahead.
[1:59:32] >> Thank you. And the important of this
[1:59:34] importance of this for cold cases DNA
[1:59:36] everything to save kids things like
[1:59:39] [laughter] that
[1:59:42] for sure.
[1:59:42] >> Yeah. Right.
[1:59:45] So, um, so with the vehicle questions
[1:59:47] like in 2020 when we're putting our 2025
[1:59:50] budget together, there was a request for
[1:59:52] two SUVs, three hybrid sedans, and a
[1:59:56] hybrid van.
[1:59:57] >> Yes.
[1:59:57] So, none of those two say we
[2:00:02] received this point. Y so on those um so
[2:00:05] what did we so what were the uh what
[2:00:09] were the what did we actually
[2:00:10] >> yes you in 20 for the 2025 budget two
[2:00:13] SUVs
[2:00:14] >> y
[2:00:14] >> three hybrid sedans
[2:00:16] >> y
[2:00:16] >> and three hybrid vans
[2:00:18] >> we received some of them so the three
[2:00:20] hybrids uh those are on the quarter and three
[2:00:27] hybrid sedan sedans we actually went
[2:00:29] with um EVs and we sold one of those
[2:00:32] today and the other two are on order.
[2:00:34] And then the two SUVs,
[2:00:36] um, we looked to order one of those, uh,
[2:00:40] get the mini bid back the other day, but
[2:00:42] it's not pull the trigger on it. And the
[2:00:44] other one, um,
[2:00:46] I don't think we worked that yet.
[2:00:48] [clears throat]
[2:00:50] >> So, with the hybrids, is that going to
[2:00:51] be an increased cost? Uh, excuse me,
[2:00:53] with the EV, is it going to be increase
[2:00:55] instead of just a hybrid versus a
[2:00:57] straight EV is what you said that you
[2:00:59] ordered instead of
[2:01:00] >> No. So no, there's the same we we stay
[2:01:03] within the within the capital within the
[2:01:04] budget. Now everything's been within
[2:01:06] those within the lines.
[2:01:09] >> So now in the 20 for the 2026 budget,
[2:01:11] it's saying we just need three moreish.
[2:01:15] >> So
[2:01:15] >> yes,
[2:01:16] >> a total of five in the last
[2:01:18] >> Yes.
[2:01:18] >> two years to replace to
[2:01:20] >> Yeah. to replace. Yes. So we had we the
[2:01:24] SUVs that are patrol cars, our frontline
[2:01:26] cars. So those are the ones that to skip
[2:01:30] fortunately those are beat up pretty
[2:01:32] heavily. So the ones that patrol those
[2:01:34] are the ones that need to be those are
[2:01:35] hybrids to the SUVs.
[2:01:38] The uh patrol interceptors they're all
[2:01:40] those end up getting rid of our chargers
[2:01:43] that we had. Those are back from
[2:01:46] >> 2020 maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest
[2:01:48] one we have now. So those are all
[2:01:50] getting phased out. Our old ones are
[2:01:51] down on phosph getting auctioned off.
[2:01:54] Oh, that's my next question. What
[2:01:56] happens?
[2:01:57] >> We every time we get auctioned off, if
[2:01:59] there's something that's semidecent, in
[2:02:02] fact, we have all of the other
[2:02:05] departments, they aren't interested
[2:02:07] because they're
[2:02:12] so everything that we have is
[2:02:16] an accident.
[2:02:19] Don't say that money goes
[2:02:21] >> money goes back into the revenue and not
[2:02:23] our budget but there's a line general
[2:02:27] and I think
[2:02:28] >> no general and the uh there's a line
[2:02:31] that's sale of vehicles.
[2:02:34] >> Yeah, I see one. So you mentioned about
[2:02:37] um parking with some of the people
[2:02:41] can we send people action not to the
[2:02:44] parks department because of the only
[2:02:47] from about 8 in the morning or 7 to 5.
[2:02:50] >> So we did do that. That's typically what
[2:02:51] we do do is we bring them is uh right
[2:02:54] now actually we did do that with one of
[2:02:56] our our last vehicles that was moved
[2:02:58] forward to parking. So we have two I'm
[2:03:00] sorry right now we have three vehicles
[2:03:02] parking I believe [clears throat] that
[2:03:03] were old vehicles and the other one is a
[2:03:05] an EV uh that we had. It was a Chevy
[2:03:09] Bolt and the plan was to buy a Chevy
[2:03:11] Bolt for next [clears throat] year. The
[2:03:14] one of the vehicles in parking is just
[2:03:17] uh I think it's pretty much fall apart.
[2:03:22] I I think the conversation about the
[2:03:23] capital budget when we did this a day or
[2:03:27] two, it was more of um can we hold up on
[2:03:33] capital spending because of the
[2:03:35] situation we
[2:03:37] facing a a budget a proposed budget of
[2:03:40] 17%. And then fees on top of that and
[2:03:44] then this is not going to affect the
[2:03:46] budget. We're borrowing money, but we
[2:03:48] have to we have taxpayers going to have
[2:03:50] to pay for this in 2027. [clears throat]
[2:03:53] That's more borrowing than them already.
[2:03:54] Now, we're pushing that into next year.
[2:03:56] >> So, that was open discussion a couple
[2:03:58] days ago in terms of can we put these
[2:04:01] up? I would say that that you can I
[2:04:04] would just say that you know I just my
[2:04:06] only thing would be in the future you
[2:04:08] know I might come back and say that we
[2:04:10] need vehicles and I just don't want to I
[2:04:12] don't want to keep kicking the can too
[2:04:13] far down the road but absolutely you
[2:04:15] know what the council decides that then
[2:04:17] we will live with whatever the council
[2:04:19] decides the the [clears throat] evidence
[2:04:21] I wouldn't do that
[2:04:23] >> ask you to strongly consider not cutting
[2:04:26] that one
[2:04:26] >> um but the vehicles if you had to cut
[2:04:28] that in half I would say that we will we
[2:04:31] will deal with whatever you guys have to do to do a service for the city.
[2:04:37] >> So right now you have three SUVs, four
[2:04:40] unmarked. So are you saying
[2:04:43] I'll say two and two unmarked and could
[2:04:47] you and then you still want the parking?
[2:04:49] >> I would love to have they are they
[2:04:51] [clears throat] do a very good job for
[2:04:53] us and that's actually the cheapest
[2:04:54] vehicle we buy and we actually made team
[2:04:59] on that. So, [clears throat] uh, it
[2:05:00] would actually be be pretty pretty
[2:05:02] reasonable
[2:05:02] >> price to keep it
[2:05:05] right.
[2:05:09] » Thank you.
[2:05:11] for holding that up. Yeah,
[2:05:13] because you know it's good that we had
[2:05:14] >> Oh, I saw this memo. Thank you.
[2:05:16] >> From Carl from Mr. Williams.
[2:05:19] >> Yes.
[2:05:19] >> About the discussion and things about
[2:05:21] it. That's what the whole center
[2:05:23] discussion about the U capital budget is
[2:05:26] because of um
[2:05:28] >> we need to get out of where we are right
[2:05:30] now
[2:05:31] >> and then we need to find a recovery of
[2:05:34] how we move forward in the seven.
[2:05:37] >> Any other question on this part?
[2:05:40] >> So I don't want to continue going but
[2:05:42] there are two more questions that was
[2:05:43] asked of me. So
[2:05:45] >> I don't want I don't want to miss out
[2:05:46] and have to come back. [laughter]
[2:05:49] you wanted to know about going into or
[2:05:51] somebody that's
[2:05:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just
[2:05:55] noticed that I got to see what line
[2:05:59] >> but it doubled.
[2:06:00] >> Yeah.
[2:06:01] >> The question was that it doubled and I
[2:06:03] was thinking and I was just trying to
[2:06:05] figure out that's line
[2:06:08] >> a 1789
[2:06:10] >> and a
[2:06:10] >> and and and a so I was just trying to
[2:06:13] figure out
[2:06:15] >> why how did we get to doubling? So we
[2:06:18] were asked to come up with a way to
[2:06:20] increase revenues
[2:06:22] months ago and that was just one
[2:06:24] >> good answer. Oh [laughter]
[2:06:28] » we we did renegotiate which
[2:06:32] responsibilities
[2:06:38] charge the people that are actually the
[2:06:40] total numbers
[2:06:41] >> the contract
[2:06:43] year or two ago.
[2:06:44] >> Yes.
[2:06:45] >> So that is kicking in this year. already
[2:06:51] » said the administrative.
[2:06:54] >> So who is that? Who is that? It absorbs
[2:06:57] that the caller is the people who are um
[2:07:02] getting their car because it's divided
[2:07:04] between the two of them
[2:07:07] typically [clears throat]
[2:07:11] but typically it's it's on insurance
[2:07:12] calls.
[2:07:14] >> Okay. So accidents I understand.
[2:07:17] However, if someone's getting their
[2:07:18] parts because of the license
[2:07:22] and so on, those double C's app.
[2:07:25] >> Yes. Police request. Yes.
[2:07:28] >> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,
[2:07:31] I guess it would be, right?
[2:07:34] >> Or or if you're cop registration or
[2:07:38] license,
[2:07:39] you can't get somebody to take the time.
[2:07:43] If it's a police request
[2:07:48] drive,
[2:07:53] » I think we're talking $35 or $70.
[2:07:56] >> Yes. Yes.
[2:08:00] » Um well, can I go further with that? So
[2:08:04] what you if you're including the port
[2:08:06] for the to the um to amounts
[2:08:11] those search charges only for the
[2:08:13] administrator it didn't include the
[2:08:15] impound lot is a totally separate thing.
[2:08:18] So how so I understand how we get to the
[2:08:20] search charge for the towing but the
[2:08:23] impound lot is that is it our lot is it somebody else's lot right?
[2:08:27] >> Yes. So right now uh they can char the
[2:08:29] tow companies charge up to $200 for a
[2:08:31] toe and the third the city gets $35 per
[2:08:34] toe and then the impound lot they the
[2:08:37] tow companies take them back and tow
[2:08:40] there and they get 70 up to $75 per day.
[2:08:43] City gets $10 per day. So we would
[2:08:45] double that to $20 per day and double
[2:08:47] the amount of money.
[2:08:48] >> Oh. So we're only d we're not doubling
[2:08:50] the fee for the lot. That 75 doesn't
[2:08:52] become 50.
[2:08:53] >> Correct. Correct.
[2:08:54] >> But 10 becomes 20. So, and we think it
[2:08:56] we could either tell them that we want
[2:08:58] to keep and take money from the tow
[2:09:00] company or negotiate that or say it
[2:09:01] wants to be $85 and then you just add
[2:09:04] $10 on that. [clears throat]
[2:09:06] >> Okay.
[2:09:09] >> I thought they Isn't there like a limit
[2:09:11] that they can charge per day like state
[2:09:13] law or something like that? Like they
[2:09:14] can't No, that so that
[2:09:18] >> Okay. Okay. I thought
[2:09:22] » but either way $10 and Okay.
[2:09:28] I'm sorry again. I'm just looking at
[2:09:30] Australian sheet and there was one other
[2:09:32] one is which is the uh it's 3120 a
[2:09:38] 312402
[2:09:41] um
[2:09:43] and it I think he's looking at the um
[2:09:46] public safety foundation which in this
[2:09:49] budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of
[2:09:53] the 25,000 that we used to have. Um
[2:09:56] because I don't understand I guess I'm
[2:09:59] not really understanding Mr. Williams is
[2:10:01] um
[2:10:02] >> yeah he's looking at the actual we have
[2:10:04] outstanding invoices
[2:10:06] the public safety commission on
[2:10:11] the one in the park
[2:10:15] of all the invoice being
[2:10:17] >> yes
[2:10:18] >> today
[2:10:20] um I believe they all have um for that
[2:10:23] event and all the events everything what
[2:10:25] we have not done uh after anyone was
[2:10:29] done with the
[2:10:30] You have I say Halloween.
[2:10:32] >> Yeah, that's coming up.
[2:10:34] >> We did not do the
[2:10:39] » don't
[2:10:42] » and we did not do there's several ones
[2:10:45] that we did not do obviously not paid
[2:10:47] for towards the end of the year when the
[2:10:50] budget the last couple months uh just
[2:10:53] the budget started getting or the budget
[2:10:55] was getting
[2:10:55] >> a little tighter. We just
[2:10:58] >> we didn't we didn't try to consult we
[2:11:02] were
[2:11:04] >> okay you know what I'm asking I was the
[2:11:05] wrong it was the wrong line um Mr.
[2:11:08] Williams,
[2:11:08] >> he is asking to reduce that line.
[2:11:10] >> Yeah, he's asking also
[2:11:12] >> he said, but I said the wrong one.
[2:11:16] >> He's asking for
[2:11:17] >> reducing less%.
[2:11:20] >> I said the wrong one, but
[2:11:21] >> yeah,
[2:11:22] >> he go ahead.
[2:11:25] >> He he because I couldn't figure it out
[2:11:26] myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's
[2:11:28] 402, not 40. I was talking about 402b,
[2:11:31] the public safety foundation, but
[2:11:32] actually Mr. Williams's question is
[2:11:35] about the administrative expense. 312402
[2:11:39] which the budget um I mean year to date
[2:11:44] we've spent um only 48
[2:11:47] uh 48% of it 48.7K
[2:11:51] um and in the 2026 budget um it's being
[2:11:57] reduced
[2:12:00] » it's not u it's not being reduced and so
[2:12:04] I think I think I don't want to put
[2:12:05] words into his mouth
[2:12:07] So from from the 2025 adopted to the
[2:12:10] 2026 proposed is being reduced by 700
[2:12:14] >> 11 1,700.
[2:12:16] >> Yes. 1,700.
[2:12:18] So Mr. Williams is asking that we reduce
[2:12:21] another 25%.
[2:12:22] >> Oh, okay.
[2:12:24] >> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.
[2:12:27] Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an
[2:12:30] additional 25,000
[2:12:31] >> based on So I want to get your your
[2:12:33] thought on that as well. Does the admin
[2:12:36] expense?
[2:12:36] >> Yes.
[2:12:38] >> So there's it was 25. We we we proposed
[2:12:42] 107500.
[2:12:46] » I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry. 402
[2:12:50] not 40 to um A, B, or C. want to have
[2:12:53] this
[2:12:56] or two here.
[2:12:58] >> I I'm getting so
[2:13:01] >> it's really the regular administrative
[2:13:02] expense that Mr. Williams is Mr.
[2:13:05] Williams is saying perhaps we could
[2:13:08] reduce
[2:13:09] >> $10,000. Correct.
[2:13:11] >> Yes. He's suggesting reducing it by
[2:13:13] $25,000.
[2:13:15] And I think that he's saying that
[2:13:17] because year to date, which I know these
[2:13:20] are don't have all our figures in, but
[2:13:23] year to date
[2:13:25] >> 48.7.
[2:13:26] >> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.
[2:13:30] So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe
[2:13:33] it's because the last quarter
[2:13:35] >> many of the contracts get renewed, John.
[2:13:38] So, I know we just contracts when
[2:13:40] they're
[2:13:40] >> just moved from our copy release. We
[2:13:43] just signed um couple days ago. So, I
[2:13:47] got to find out what that is. Um I can
[2:13:50] tell you that historically, but I'm not
[2:13:52] sure if this is still practice, but
[2:13:53] Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some
[2:13:56] supplies at the end of the year, and
[2:13:58] that was that would be common practice
[2:14:01] prior to the beginning of the year
[2:14:03] because we had a surplus. I don't know
[2:14:05] that I'm going right now.
[2:14:07] >> Original request of 1234 was not there,
[2:14:10] but
[2:14:10] >> Oh, okay.
[2:14:12] >> But um I can see exactly what we had
[2:14:17] coming up due for that.
[2:14:21] » A big one.
[2:14:22] >> That was that's our supply.
[2:14:26] >> Yes. So on on administrative?
[2:14:29] >> No, that's that's our supply.
[2:14:32] This is our guardian software
[2:14:36] or not guardian software. Um
[2:14:39] our air strike on the engine will
[2:14:44] destruction of drugs
[2:14:50] reimbursements
[2:14:53] shredded.
[2:14:57] So I can back to that when I actually
[2:15:00] see what we've spent out of that to see
[2:15:02] more detail and see
[2:15:04] [clears throat and cough]
[2:15:05] what kind of effect that would have on
[2:15:06] us.
[2:15:07] >> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.
[2:15:10] Thanks you [laughter]
[2:15:13] >> October. October
[2:15:16] >> October
[2:15:17] >> September. Yeah. No, I guess
[2:15:27] >> any other questions.
[2:15:29] >> Was one more on my sheet?
[2:15:31] >> Oh, there. Okay, just so everybody had
[2:15:35] to be asking about bus control.
[2:15:38] >> U bus patrol was not reducing the
[2:15:40] numbers.
[2:15:42] >> Um reduced by 200,000 from last year
[2:15:46] this year.
[2:15:47] >> So the answer to put in mind what we
[2:15:50] actually received. So this year to date
[2:15:53] uh as of uh the end of September we are
[2:15:58] at 249
[2:16:01] it's called $250,000
[2:16:04] and
[2:16:06] um we renegotiated
[2:16:09] it with 300 July. So now we feel that
[2:16:13] 400,000 is an actual number compared to
[2:16:17] 600,000.
[2:16:18] The renegotiation made it so that during
[2:16:22] the summer months there there used to be
[2:16:23] a technology fee. We no longer have to
[2:16:25] pay that which was eating up all the
[2:16:28] revenue that we had throughout the
[2:16:29] summer months.
[2:16:30] >> And our source technology feed is cut in
[2:16:33] half throughout the rest of the year. So
[2:16:34] that really um saved us about $200,000 a
[2:16:38] year automatically u without
[2:16:42] fees a little bit different now. And I
[2:16:45] know that we have a lot of unlected
[2:16:47] funds.
[2:16:48] Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000
[2:16:54] uncollected funds there and we're owed
[2:16:56] about 60% of that as well. So there's
[2:16:58] about $600,000 of uncollected funds out
[2:17:01] there and cost. How much is that?
[2:17:06] >> Uh about $600,000 $50 million out there.
[2:17:08] About $600,000. So, we have currently
[2:17:12] $250,000
[2:17:13] actual.
[2:17:14] >> Yeah.
[2:17:15] >> Receive.
[2:17:16] >> Yeah. 2 $250.
[2:17:17] >> $600,000 outstanding.
[2:17:19] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[2:17:20] >> That's over the last two years.
[2:17:22] >> Um outstanding. Currently in the last
[2:17:24] year, right now we have $147,000.
[2:17:30] That's
[2:17:32] we're about to
[2:17:35] depending on it
[2:17:37] 50% or a lot of involved and they go
[2:17:41] through
[2:17:44] on it that would be 60%.
[2:17:47] So it's at a minimum 50%. Uh 2271 to 360
[2:17:52] days 147,000
[2:17:55] 181 to 270 is 178,000.
[2:18:00] 90
[2:18:02] [clears throat]
[2:18:03] less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are
[2:18:07] uncontested unplayed tickets. We have uh
[2:18:12] people that have contested it and
[2:18:14] they've lost and that is $10,000. So
[2:18:18] that's we have $5,000.
[2:18:21] >> What revenue revenue line is that?
[2:18:23] >> That's
[2:18:25] 26.
[2:18:26] >> Okay. So if we
[2:18:28] actual it's 250,000 and that is like
[2:18:32] current or September
[2:18:34] >> that's current that's as of uh today I
[2:18:37] just got the end of number sorry that's
[2:18:39] through September 30th
[2:18:40] >> through September 30th I don't have
[2:18:43] I usually like between around October
[2:18:45] 10th I'll have the numbers through
[2:18:47] October.
[2:18:47] >> So look at current for September and
[2:18:49] look at how much you have outstanding
[2:18:51] $600,000 that
[2:18:53] >> that's 356
[2:18:54] >> that is due to
[2:18:56] What's three?
[2:18:57] >> Are they any recovery efforts in terms
[2:19:00] of us rather than the law department?
[2:19:01] But
[2:19:02] >> right now, uh the law department I
[2:19:04] believe is working they're working on
[2:19:05] getting [clears throat]
[2:19:07] I believe they're working on getting
[2:19:08] something.
[2:19:09] >> Yeah, we're working on it. But by the
[2:19:10] same token, it's $200,000. These are not
[2:19:13] parking tickets.
[2:19:14] >> Yes.
[2:19:15] >> And these the [clears throat] I think
[2:19:17] the police department will will say that
[2:19:19] people who are getting these tickets are
[2:19:21] contesting these tickets. These are not
[2:19:23] $50 tickets. These are, you know, you go
[2:19:25] on a certain day of the week and there's
[2:19:28] bus patrol tickets going on that we're
[2:19:30] prosecuting. So you I think that there's
[2:19:33] figures that the police department has
[2:19:35] provided are figures to go by in light
[2:19:39] of the fact that we have to deal with,
[2:19:42] you know, people who are contesting
[2:19:44] these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200.
[2:19:51] You know, it's an incentive for people
[2:19:53] to contest a ticket if they feel that
[2:19:55] they have been
[2:19:58] wrong. And also,
[2:20:01] this is not where, you know, we're
[2:20:03] talking about parking. You're talking
[2:20:04] about parking tickets about going to
[2:20:05] DMV. These aren't being lean these don't
[2:20:09] impact and this is probably you know a
[2:20:11] deficit in the legislation that these
[2:20:15] tickets these unpaid tickets are not
[2:20:17] [clears throat] impacting the vehicle
[2:20:18] when people go to register. Oh,
[2:20:21] >> do you? So that's, you know, if that was
[2:20:23] me referred to DMV unpaid
[2:20:27] >> tickets,
[2:20:29] >> then people would when the registrations
[2:20:31] would come up, they would see all these
[2:20:32] tickets on the because the tickets
[2:20:35] aren't to the person, they're to the
[2:20:36] vehicle.
[2:20:37] >> Right. Right.
[2:20:37] >> This is a lot of work for a lot of
[2:20:39] >> This is a huge This is You should be up
[2:20:42] there because we've got people
[2:20:43] contesting it. We show people the video.
[2:20:46] We talked to the people beforehand. We
[2:20:48] That's on pre-trial day. And then even
[2:20:50] after that we have to then go to trial
[2:20:53] with you know with the with witnesses
[2:20:55] and documentation. So I think the
[2:20:58] figures that the police department are
[2:21:00] giving you are realistic figures and
[2:21:04] that you know there's a broader issue
[2:21:06] about bus you know you know bus control
[2:21:09] you know tickets as far as getting that
[2:21:12] revenue that's for UNC you know those tickets where people default if
[2:21:18] you will in terms of percentage of
[2:21:21] people getting control of it.
[2:21:23] >> Um I I can only give you that off hand.
[2:21:25] I mean I can't
[2:21:26] >> I mean over the last several months
[2:21:29] >> I I I'll have to look at I can't give
[2:21:31] that figure to you right off hand. I'll
[2:21:34] talk to the staff in our office who
[2:21:36] prosecutes the tickets
[2:21:38] >> if you don't mind because we we would
[2:21:39] like to look at that to kind of
[2:21:41] >> gauge oursel in terms of what is being
[2:21:44] contested ticket
[2:21:47] boss patrol and how much are being tr
[2:21:50] how much are being challenged because
[2:21:52] it's it's it is you know we're talking
[2:21:55] about you know you know the amount of
[2:21:57] you know there's there's police time on
[2:21:59] these tickets and there's corporation
[2:22:02] count time on these
[2:22:03] as well as so um just managing
[2:22:07] expectations.
[2:22:08] [laughter]
[2:22:09] >> So in those cases where people are
[2:22:11] contesting
[2:22:13] >> usually aren't they offered like
[2:22:16] reduction
[2:22:17] >> the trouble is is that it doesn't we're
[2:22:20] this is we have no wiggle room
[2:22:22] >> understood okay I got you
[2:22:24] >> there's no wiggle room
[2:22:25] >> I understand
[2:22:27] >> so Mr. Can I [clears throat] just ask a
[2:22:29] question? So, basically, just to get
[2:22:31] back to it,
[2:22:32] >> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.
[2:22:35] >> And we should not cover that.
[2:22:36] >> I mean, the 4,000 is a is a realistic
[2:22:39] number. And I would say that I will keep
[2:22:42] an eye on it. If for some reason it
[2:22:44] starts to like we're we are seeing an
[2:22:46] increase now with the new contracts
[2:22:49] and it was going great. I would have
[2:22:51] come with you next year and say hey you
[2:22:52] know
[2:22:52] >> a million
[2:22:54] [laughter]
[2:22:55] say you know happen to the year say hey
[2:22:57] if there's something else you guys want
[2:22:58] to do there's you know where's an extra
[2:23:00] we might we have $500,000 an extra
[2:23:02] $100,000 to do something with but I
[2:23:04] would say I would keep I would keep
[2:23:05] >> we would I would keep $400,000
[2:23:08] >> did you uh did you factor in the
[2:23:09] uncollected into this $400
[2:23:11] >> I did not include any uncollected into
[2:23:13] that should put an estimate towards that
[2:23:16] because I'm sure you're going to collect
[2:23:18] it over the years They right now I don't
[2:23:22] know how about this to go about the
[2:23:24] unclected and right now the bus patrol
[2:23:26] is in talk about how they're going to do
[2:23:30] the unclected. I think there's um
[2:23:34] possibly they might be changing the way
[2:23:36] the ticket process is working so that
[2:23:38] they might be able to do a simple um a
[2:23:41] different process possibly or um the law
[2:23:45] department they have to contest and they
[2:23:47] have to they have it's a lot in order to
[2:23:50] get a judgment um it's a lot of work
[2:23:56] >> because it's a lot of signing $600,000
[2:23:59] does this does
[2:24:01] um S charge added to this.
[2:24:03] >> There's no right now 250 and that's it.
[2:24:05] >> This is there's no there's no
[2:24:07] legislation right now. So in the future
[2:24:10] there's potentially we could come to you
[2:24:12] and there's a process in place to say to
[2:24:15] add legislation to this. I don't
[2:24:18] actually I don't know if that's even
[2:24:19] possible but it's it's a state law. It's
[2:24:22] a state law.
[2:24:24] 200 hours and
[2:24:27] >> that's why you can't there's no room for
[2:24:28] negotiations.
[2:24:30] >> Yeah, because I'm looking at it. I mean,
[2:24:31] you have all standing just for the
[2:24:33] company parking. We're making an
[2:24:35] estimate. So, we're going to collect X
[2:24:37] amounts over the next year. I mean, we
[2:24:39] should look at this as a potential
[2:24:42] revenue against the outstanding tickets.
[2:24:45] [clears throat]
[2:24:45] >> Yeah. I mean,
[2:24:46] >> so I think we can't just leave that
[2:24:48] zero. We definitely going to get some
[2:24:51] >> there going to be some payments against
[2:24:53] the understanding.
[2:24:54] >> Yeah, there will be some. I just don't
[2:24:56] know.
[2:24:56] >> Yeah, I think we just need to make a
[2:24:58] good estimated
[2:25:00] >> because
[2:25:02] which line are you talking
[2:25:05] >> but but they just said that they thought
[2:25:07] that 400,000 is realistic
[2:25:12] which is which is a million out there
[2:25:14] 600 of it is. So if you think if if you
[2:25:18] know one sick you get if you get you
[2:25:20] know
[2:25:20] >> if you get a chart of it
[2:25:21] >> right
[2:25:22] >> that is that's a little that's a little
[2:25:24] >> right
[2:25:27] >> but we so we just have to balance it out
[2:25:29] with the expense of
[2:25:31] >> right
[2:25:32] >> but the expenses are already
[2:25:35] >> going to challenge it yes because you
[2:25:36] know sometime people are not conscious
[2:25:37] of a there I got a ticket
[2:25:42] on the bus and I think that u get away
[2:25:45] with Okay.
[2:25:46] >> Yeah, that we may want to consider that
[2:25:48] because if 600 outstanding
[2:25:55] » any other question regarding this
[2:25:57] >> we have any more question
[2:25:59] >> I was going to ask you let me know
[2:26:01] >> that's all I ask
[2:26:03] >> one more you
[2:26:06] >> never going to be
[2:26:09] with regards to the detail and it's um
[2:26:12] pretty
[2:26:15] Would it be unfair to say that if we
[2:26:18] were to say okay 50 details per year
[2:26:20] would that be that would help and at the
[2:26:24] same time as we do that we will have to
[2:26:26] increase the to match whatever is
[2:26:28] collected.
[2:26:30] So right now we spend $24,000 $25,000
[2:26:34] time for that revenue 400,000.
[2:26:38] If we were to say, let's double it and
[2:26:41] set aside $50,000 total time to kind of,
[2:26:44] you know, to do to cover those details,
[2:26:48] would that be a a big haul?
[2:26:52] >> Maybe it could be done. Maybe
[2:26:55] that was
[2:26:57] >> the thing that we're we're we're putting
[2:26:59] over time there. So the officers are
[2:27:01] weird. We have no time [clears throat]
[2:27:02] to cover that. It's not like, okay,
[2:27:04] well, vote. We'll figure out.
[2:27:07] >> Yeah. Yeah, I was
[2:27:10] we did 27 so far this year and um I
[2:27:13] think he said 42 which one of the best
[2:27:17] he did for me for next year.
[2:27:18] >> So I'm right there
[2:27:23] » later.
[2:27:27] I'm think I'm thinking heavy on this. So
[2:27:29] I I'll let you know. [laughter]
[2:27:32] Any other question for uh the chief?
[2:27:34] >> So, so I just wanted to make clear so if
[2:27:36] we increase the um and based on the
[2:27:40] number so far we would get how much we
[2:27:43] take in to put against the
[2:27:45] >> 220 it will be it would be like 440,000
[2:27:50] but we'll have to take 50,000
[2:27:53] >> minus 50.
[2:27:54] >> Okay.
[2:27:56] >> We taking in revenue but we have to put
[2:27:57] some money there so we can't just stick
[2:27:59] in money and add um topping up the over
[2:28:01] time. So what I'm sorry could you just
[2:28:03] tell me again the line I was trying
[2:28:04] >> that is a 2610 B
[2:28:09] >> and so you're thinking
[2:28:10] >> well we'll discuss that when we get into
[2:28:13] the dete
[2:28:25] that's internal [laughter]
[2:28:31] too much out there. Let people know that
[2:28:33] you know
[2:28:35] >> it's not like you're not hiding. You're
[2:28:36] not hiding anything but everyone's
[2:28:38] watching.
[2:28:41] >> You know, paperwork.
[2:28:43] >> Any other
[2:28:45] Thank you so much.
[2:28:46] >> Thank you.
[2:28:46] for coming back and well
[2:28:50] good guidance to help us.
[2:29:00] » [laughter]
[2:29:02] >> Mr. Motor, you want to take?
[2:29:04] >> Yeah, we can. Oh, just before before we
[2:29:06] take a break.
[2:29:12] » Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need
[2:29:14] that from you. We'll take a break.
[2:29:16] >> What time do you think we are going to
[2:29:18] try to have a hard stop this evening?
[2:29:23] » What time do you want to go?
[2:29:25] I just
[2:29:28] >> Oh,
[2:29:30] [clears throat]
[2:29:30] >> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but
[2:29:34] >> it's
[2:29:36] not
[2:29:38] just starting to get like
[2:29:48] » Yeah. I think the best thing would be if
[2:29:50] council give me an email for whatever
[2:29:52] changes do
[2:29:53] >> so then I can put into an Excel
[2:29:56] spreadsheet for Friday's meeting for uh
[2:29:59] tomorrow night.
[2:30:01] >> That is the reason why I said we're
[2:30:02] doing a little bit.
[2:30:02] >> So we should probably um
[2:30:05] >> line by line.
[2:30:06] >> No, we not line by line. I did what the
[2:30:10] recommended um recommended changes that
[2:30:13] was submitted to the back and forth.
[2:30:15] We'll do column again proposed budget.
[2:30:20] We'll list it as council proposed
[2:30:23] proposal,
[2:30:24] >> right? What we usually do for
[2:30:27] >> water.
[2:30:28] >> So all the proposal that was submitted
[2:30:30] to you, we have them. So insert those
[2:30:33] into the into the
[2:30:35] >> unless we disagree with some of them
[2:30:37] from the discussion.
[2:30:37] >> That is for discussion Friday. It is for
[2:30:40] us to discuss it. But we want to see
[2:30:42] where we lie in So, what else do we need
[2:30:44] to do tonight then
[2:30:45] >> if we're going to do I mean
[2:30:47] >> you're doing that tonight. You're going
[2:30:48] to have him go back to his office and
[2:30:50] give us back.
[2:30:52] >> I'm sorry. I'm just I'm not
[2:30:53] understanding.
[2:30:54] >> All council changes will be consolidated
[2:30:56] to one.
[2:30:57] >> Right.
[2:31:00] >> Doc the council proposal.
[2:31:02] >> Right. Right. Right.
[2:31:04] >> No, no, no, no, [laughter] no.
[2:31:08] Let's do it how we used to have them in
[2:31:10] the past.
[2:31:12] >> Proposed budget.
[2:31:13] >> We insert a column. We're not doing a
[2:31:16] separate sheet. uh we just you know
[2:31:18] listed line you know line by line going
[2:31:22] down whatever they proposed changes
[2:31:23] against those lines we did we're doing
[2:31:25] the same thing to the revenue to we
[2:31:27] maintain the mayor's budget as we're
[2:31:30] going to touch I mean insert column and
[2:31:32] we're putting the council
[2:31:33] >> council
[2:31:34] >> proposal
[2:31:35] >> so we want comparison here with it and
[2:31:37] then we have a separate total
[2:31:40] proposal city council proposal and this
[2:31:43] is a new total
[2:31:44] >> so
[2:31:45] >> we will discuss that Friday then we say
[2:31:47] you don't you don't like it you like it
[2:31:50] and then we move forward and then we
[2:31:51] talk about it at that point we need to
[2:31:53] move forward now because we're like
[2:31:55] they're showing papers here that's right
[2:31:57] >> and we do not have numbers to actually
[2:31:59] look at and see where where the actual
[2:32:01] changes need
[2:32:02] >> so so can get a consolidated email from
[2:32:04] for all so we're not looking at hundreds
[2:32:07] of emails trying to
[2:32:11] » I mean we have mostly emails
[2:32:15] >> but we just have more based on
[2:32:16] discussion here. We're going to have
[2:32:17] some more exper
[2:32:21] » I can cut and paste all the
[2:32:23] >> Oh, wait. Is that
[2:32:26] >> No, we can discuss this discussion.
[2:32:28] >> So,
[2:32:28] >> well, you've got people in the room. So,
[2:32:30] it's really [laughter]
[2:32:32] >> No, we're not negotiation. We're trying
[2:32:34] to formalize how we get the report.
[2:32:38] >> So, because we need to we need to look
[2:32:40] at numbers and we need to look at um
[2:32:46] They saw a lot of people make
[2:32:47] recommendation.
[2:32:55] I'm going to make some
[2:46:03] and just stay in order. That's what I
[2:46:05] >> I'm going to go through mine in terms of
[2:46:07] my revenue. You go through yours in the
[2:46:08] meantime and try to see if we can get u
[2:46:13] some attraction.
[2:46:15] >> So, are we done with the revenue part?
[2:46:17] >> No, we're about to start it. I am gonna
[2:46:19] start my revenue. I'm gonna make my
[2:46:22] recommendation.
[2:46:24] >> And Sam, can you please make
[2:46:49] » [clears throat]
[2:46:52] » You have to take this out.
[2:46:53] >> You have you have a copy. You have a
[2:46:55] copy of my email and I'm going to go
[2:46:56] through the email that I sent. Everybody
[2:46:58] has a copy of it.
[2:47:03] » This one right?
[2:47:05] >> Yes.
[2:47:08] Yeah.
[2:47:12] » Sir, you have a copy of the CP?
[2:47:13] >> Yeah.
[2:47:14] >> So, I'm going to go through this and I'm
[2:47:15] going to tell you which one I am making
[2:47:16] adjustment and which one I'm adding.
[2:47:18] >> Okay.
[2:47:19] >> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as
[2:47:21] is.
[2:47:26] » I know it's 10:02. I'm just saying.
[2:47:28] Okay. Oh, you starting right.
[2:47:30] >> I'm going with the email that everybody
[2:47:31] has a copy of it. And then the next one
[2:47:34] is um A116.
[2:47:36] I'm sticking with that. Mom.
[2:47:41] » So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a
[2:47:42] column that says
[2:47:49] » So, you're thinking of reducing
[2:47:52] >> reducing
[2:47:57] that reducing
[2:48:04] » Yeah.
[2:48:06] Mr.
[2:48:09] » Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to
[2:48:14] $2 million. $850,000.
[2:48:19] That's my recommendation back to the
[2:48:20] general fund.
[2:48:21] >> Yep.
[2:48:22] >> The A116
[2:48:26] increase that to 300,000.
[2:48:31] The one I had um waiting on the PD
[2:48:33] presentation and I just asked the PD
[2:48:36] what their estimate is and they're
[2:48:38] looking at um 42 details. I asked for
[2:48:41] 50.
[2:48:42] >> I'm sorry, which one was by the way that
[2:48:44] >> A2610B
[2:48:47] » Ab
[2:48:52] can you say it again, please?
[2:48:54] >> Um would it be would it be wise for you
[2:48:56] to use the email that I sent to you?
[2:48:58] >> I'm looking at it. I am looking at I
[2:48:59] just want to tell you that because the
[2:49:01] last one you just said cannabis
[2:49:04] >> but I caught the number there
[2:49:07] >> but it's supposed to be you you said you
[2:49:09] said like like a different number than
[2:49:11] what it actually you said the 300k but
[2:49:13] what you really want to do is increase
[2:49:14] it to 1 million.
[2:49:15] >> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.
[2:49:18] >> I just going to put them the 1 million
[2:49:21] >> down instead of 300,000.
[2:49:24] >> I'm trying to be effective here tonight
[2:49:26] because we're going to figure back and
[2:49:27] forth like this. We're going to go up.
[2:49:29] >> I'm just trying to understand. I I think
[2:49:32] that you said 300,000, but you wrote 1
[2:49:34] million and it's 1 million
[2:49:36] >> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1
[2:49:38] million.
[2:49:38] >> I got
[2:49:41] you increase to a million.
[2:49:42] >> I put in parenthesis. Why am I 300 away
[2:49:45] from his sheet Carmel? Just use your
[2:49:47] book here and see what's there. How much
[2:49:49] he wants to
[2:49:50] >> So a16
[2:49:53] » increasing increase to a million dollars
[2:49:55] and that's adding 300,000. Great.
[2:49:59] >> A2 2016B
[2:50:01] my notice was to wait on the PD
[2:50:03] recommendation. I'm sorry the
[2:50:05] presentation.
[2:50:06] >> Yeah.
[2:50:06] >> And they're looking next year to have 50
[2:50:08] details. They did 27
[2:50:13] as far as 42 details. I asked what would
[2:50:16] be 50. Currently they're $219,000
[2:50:21] over time.
[2:50:22] >> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000
[2:50:25] there. How much? On line 26 10 A or B
[2:50:29] >> B.
[2:50:30] >> Adding how much?
[2:50:32] >> 400 $440,000.
[2:50:35] >> You're adding that. Okay.
[2:50:36] >> Adding 440,000 to that line
[2:50:40] >> plus and then adding $50,000 to over
[2:50:44] time line.
[2:50:48] So I have a little bit of note here.
[2:50:50] Yes. So correction here. Which which
[2:50:52] over time are you having online?
[2:50:54] >> In the very same in the very same um
[2:50:57] >> traffic.
[2:50:58] >> Is it this is traffic? So over time on
[2:51:01] the traffic.
[2:51:03] >> Would that be would that be correct?
[2:51:05] >> Mhm.
[2:51:07] >> So would it be easier if you like
[2:51:10] increased all your revenue and then when
[2:51:11] your increases come in the budget?
[2:51:13] >> No, but I have to do it at the same
[2:51:15] time.
[2:51:15] >> You have to. Okay.
[2:51:16] >> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one
[2:51:18] here. This is the only one has in and
[2:51:19] out.
[2:51:20] >> Okay. because we we're potentially
[2:51:22] looking at generating more revenue, but
[2:51:23] it comes with the cost.
[2:51:25] >> So that you know what the line number is
[2:51:27] on the overtime.
[2:51:31] » So I'm just going to have to look for
[2:51:32] it. Police department.
[2:51:34] >> We can wait to find it before we move
[2:51:36] on.
[2:51:38] >> Um let's see. So that was one
[2:51:42] um 2610N
[2:51:45] parking fun. So I got to go
[2:51:50] adding 440,000 here
[2:51:53] >> the 2610B
[2:51:56] >> and then timeline
[2:51:57] >> I'll get it later from the line
[2:52:01] >> on the traffic
[2:52:02] >> we don't have it yet
[2:52:05] >> I got the 440
[2:52:07] >> line
[2:52:09] 50,000
[2:52:21] before fire.
[2:52:25] » How much money is that? 400. What?
[2:52:27] >> 440,000.
[2:52:32] Got the police department starts in
[2:52:34] 3120.
[2:52:36] >> Thank you guys. the police department.
[2:52:44] » Are you saying parking 3320 for me?
[2:52:47] >> That would be on the uh parking or that
[2:52:49] will be on the patrol. Um
[2:52:54] I would assume it's under parking, but
[2:52:56] maybe the police
[2:52:59] opinion on the matter.
[2:53:00] >> Um would that be under um field service
[2:53:03] or would that be under um
[2:53:07] He said we go through the end of
[2:53:08] parking.
[2:53:09] >> Parking.
[2:53:10] >> That's what
[2:53:13] I would assume.
[2:53:15] >> Yes.
[2:53:17] >> You're not talking about
[2:53:17] >> just looking for the expense line. We're
[2:53:19] looking
[2:53:20] >> I'm looking at the expense line.
[2:53:21] >> A3320 parking.
[2:53:23] >> The overtime line is 112.
[2:53:26] >> What was the number? What's the number
[2:53:27] again? Please.
[2:53:28] >> Got it. I got it.
[2:53:28] >> 833. It's on page 38.
[2:53:31] >> 83320.
[2:53:33] >> Yep. Um we can confirm with the
[2:53:40] » So we can always we can always adjust
[2:53:42] those numbers.
[2:53:43] >> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be
[2:53:46] proposing
[2:53:48] >> sorry 320
[2:53:50] >> 3320112
[2:53:53] is the overtime line.
[2:53:54] >> Right. [clears throat]
[2:53:55] >> I'm just looking for the figure.
[2:53:57] >> Yeah but this might not be the right.
[2:53:58] This is like parking like people who
[2:54:00] meter and things like that. This detail
[2:54:03] is more like um patrol,
[2:54:05] >> right?
[2:54:06] >> This is patrol. That's why
[2:54:10] » he did say those fines of 900 those
[2:54:13] fines of those 27 details collected are
[2:54:16] in the 910,000,000
[2:54:19] lines.
[2:54:21] So,
[2:54:23] >> so I think this this has to be an A3122
[2:54:26] 112
[2:54:29] >> A31
[2:54:31] >> 22 112
[2:54:33] >> 31 22 112
[2:54:37] >> A
[2:54:38] 21 22
[2:54:40] >> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.
[2:54:43] >> Right.
[2:54:43] >> Okay.
[2:54:44] >> And that I'm asking um for us to add
[2:54:47] 50,000 there.
[2:54:52] Yes,
[2:54:52] >> we're adding expenses
[2:54:53] >> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.
[2:55:03] » You want to go back to U.
[2:55:07] So this is um 440 plus
[2:55:11] >> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440.
[2:55:13] >> 440
[2:55:15] the following. Sorry. Thank you.
[2:55:18] So let's move to the next line. A2668.
[2:55:24] I'm asking for us to maintain the same
[2:55:26] as 2025 4.5 million into 2026
[2:55:31] and that will be an increase of 1.5 I
[2:55:33] believe
[2:55:34] >> and you just skipped over the liquid
[2:55:36] park.
[2:55:37] >> Oh sorry
[2:55:40] >> 2610
[2:55:43] >> and
[2:55:43] >> yeah sorry let me go back. Initially I
[2:55:46] asked for um
[2:55:47] >> Initially I had asked for um
[2:55:51] >> for that to go up to 232,000
[2:55:54] >> but I'm going to ask to increase that to
[2:55:57] 130,000.
[2:55:59] >> It's it's at 170.
[2:56:01] >> Yes. No 170 plus 130.
[2:56:04] >> Okay. Thanks.
[2:56:06] >> So not the 500k plus not the 500k. So
[2:56:09] that mean I would like to bring it to
[2:56:14] 130
[2:56:16] >> 300
[2:56:17] >> 300,000 instead of one one um 170
[2:56:23] home um home sales maintain the same as
[2:56:26] 2025 4.5 million into 2026 and that's an
[2:56:29] increase of 1.5.
[2:56:33] The next one is 83005
[2:56:36] mortgage tax.
[2:56:39] I'm ask I'm asking on my proposal. This
[2:56:42] is my proposal to increase that to
[2:56:44] 410,000.
[2:56:48] » Increase it by 410,000 to 1.4 million.
[2:56:52] >> That is correct. It's proposed at 9450
[2:56:57] increase.
[2:56:58] >> Sorry. Sorry. What What is it?
[2:57:00] >> It's at um It's at 950. That was 95.
[2:57:04] >> No, it's 9:50.
[2:57:07] >> So, is it 410 or 450?
[2:57:10] >> 450.
[2:57:13] >> It's just like, well, when you get all
[2:57:14] the way through the end, although
[2:57:16] there's a total,
[2:57:17] >> so 450 plus 950
[2:57:22] » and that will bring us to 1.4.
[2:57:26] >> Okay.
[2:57:26] >> Now, the totals.
[2:57:28] >> Yes. It's now handsome. So based on today's um
[2:57:34] >> Oh, you got to add
[2:57:35] >> conversation. I'm going to add more to
[2:57:38] the sheet.
[2:57:39] >> Mhm.
[2:57:39] >> So A2610
[2:57:41] M.
[2:57:43] A2610
[2:57:46] >> M. [clears throat] That's bus patrol.
[2:57:49] >> Mhm.
[2:57:50] >> I am recommending that we add $200,000
[2:57:52] away because we have $600,000
[2:57:55] [snorts] tickets. I'm just pick 600,000.
[2:57:58] I've taken a target which is very
[2:58:00] conservative.
[2:58:01] >> So please tell me that amount again. I
[2:58:02] just said
[2:58:03] >> 200,000.
[2:58:04] >> So you want to add to the big
[2:58:06] >> Yes. So we're adding 200,000 to this
[2:58:08] line. We can go back to the revenue
[2:58:10] line.
[2:58:13] >> So what's that? How much you adding back
[2:58:14] to that?
[2:58:15] >> 200,000.
[2:58:16] >> 200.
[2:58:17] >> Back to 600K.
[2:58:18] >> Yes.
[2:58:19] >> So right now it's 400.
[2:58:22] >> We got a plus.
[2:58:24] >> No.
[2:58:24] >> 200. That will bring it that will bring
[2:58:26] it to 600 KV.
[2:58:28] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[2:58:30] » 2610. Okay.
[2:58:32] >> Yes. 2610.
[2:58:34] >> And as in
[2:58:36] the next one, um, under snap
[2:58:41] 600.
[2:58:42] >> Under snap,
[2:58:44] we're asking to add 200,000 there.
[2:58:48] >> Give me your money, please.
[2:58:50] >> 1621. All right.
[2:58:51] >> That is a 217.
[2:58:56] Oh, the CDBG
[2:58:57] >> CDBG A2170.
[2:59:01] » This is what?
[2:59:08] » Yeah, she wanted to keep.
[2:59:10] >> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.
[2:59:12] >> No, no, no, no. Alex,
[2:59:14] >> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out
[2:59:16] of the out of the
[2:59:18] >> We didn't even touch your your stuff.
[2:59:19] >> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know
[2:59:21] what you're saying. But what what you're
[2:59:22] saying is that she wanted to get
[2:59:23] >> I understand it's 200,000,000
[2:59:27] 200
[2:59:29] >> right. Yes.
[2:59:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:59:31] >> She said there was 202,000 $55.
[2:59:34] >> Yeah. But we're going to just say 200
[2:59:36] [laughter]
[2:59:38] finish 2,000 is going to go on.
[2:59:40] >> Okay.
[2:59:42] >> So that's um Snap.
[2:59:45] >> Yep.
[2:59:46] >> Coats.
[2:59:49] >> Thank you. What revenue am I
[2:59:52] 217?
[2:59:53] >> 170 C.
[2:59:54] >> Oh yes, she's
[2:59:56] >> 170,000
[2:59:59] there.
[2:59:59] >> Yep.
[3:00:00] >> So that would be 300.
[3:00:03] >> So that will uh currently is 100,000. So
[3:00:06] we'll plus 100,000 there too. And
[3:00:08] that'll be 300,000 there on that one.
[3:00:13] » Okay.
[3:00:14] >> Mhm.
[3:00:17] >> Okay. So, I just have to ask this
[3:00:19] question while we're doing this. Like in
[3:00:22] Miss Carver's explanation, there was
[3:00:24] funds that were sent from prior years.
[3:00:26] It's not like we're dealing with um
[3:00:28] recent stuff. She said it had to be
[3:00:30] spended. So, I don't want to get us in
[3:00:32] the position where like we're going to
[3:00:33] let's leave a couple thousand over there
[3:00:34] in years that can ex that can be titled.
[3:00:37] >> She has to spend the oldest first, which
[3:00:39] what's
[3:00:40] >> that's exactly what I'm talking about.
[3:00:41] So, expand.
[3:00:43] >> So, you want to put the the first one on
[3:00:44] snap. You want to put two or two?
[3:00:46] I I think we should we're going to
[3:00:49] fight.
[3:00:49] >> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.
[3:00:53] >> Okay.
[3:00:54] >> 2178
[3:00:55] >> and code was 206.
[3:00:57] >> 20 206.
[3:00:58] >> Yes.
[3:00:58] >> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.
[3:01:00] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[3:01:01] >> 306.
[3:01:02] >> Okay. So, that would be 306
[3:01:07] and snap is 202 because there's no
[3:01:09] funding here.
[3:01:10] >> Right. Okay.
[3:01:11] >> Now, I wish I had completely different
[3:01:13] then.
[3:01:14] >> Are we good? Yes.
[3:01:16] >> Um,
[3:01:20] capture.
[3:01:25] » Yes.
[3:01:26] >> Thank you.
[3:01:27] >> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my
[3:01:32] >> Did you Did you go over the allowable
[3:01:35] tax?
[3:01:36] >> Yes, I did. Cool. Drop dropping by 850.
[3:01:40] >> Add 800. bringing that down to 2 million
[3:01:44] and cannabis increasing that up to a
[3:01:47] million.
[3:01:49] >> The we have we have seven for the
[3:01:52] record. We have seven. Oh,
[3:01:54] >> so I I have I have more information on
[3:01:55] that if you want to hear it now.
[3:01:57] [clears throat]
[3:01:59] >> Cannabis. So we do have seven that are
[3:02:02] active. There are 13 entirely
[3:02:06] >> approved but not
[3:02:06] >> approved but for whatever reason they're
[3:02:08] nonoperational and when they become
[3:02:10] operational we don't know.
[3:02:11] >> Um and so in 2025
[3:02:17] we had one that opened uh in April and
[3:02:21] another one that opened I'm not sure
[3:02:23] that they think that looks like that
[3:02:25] open in January and also January 9th. So
[3:02:28] we had we had three open in 2025.
[3:02:32] We had two that opened in the last
[3:02:34] quarter of 2024.
[3:02:37] Um so that's four and one two and then
[3:02:41] one in the third quarter of 2024 and
[3:02:44] then Mr. the one up on Union Street way
[3:02:48] back in 23. I mean it did so long.
[3:02:50] >> So in terms of capturing the um the
[3:02:55] revenue so
[3:02:58] We're capturing you said we have two
[3:03:00] quarters so far, right? Right. So, one
[3:03:03] of those was not the one that opened in
[3:03:06] April. We did like the first quarter.
[3:03:10] There was something that they
[3:03:15] get the percentage [clears throat]
[3:03:17] broken down and the county sends us uh
[3:03:20] which goes to the county and then a
[3:03:22] portion goes to us.
[3:03:23] >> So, we don't know which store. But I
[3:03:26] don't take that off.
[3:03:27] >> Okay. Well, I on look you find OCM site
[3:03:31] that they did those before 111. So they
[3:03:32] would not include
[3:03:35] the second they would and all the rest
[3:03:37] of them would be included. So I guess my
[3:03:40] question is raising that up to 1
[3:03:43] million.
[3:03:44] It was about 850,000. They took it back
[3:03:47] down to 700. So you think it's
[3:03:50] reasonable that we can go all the way to
[3:03:51] I I just wanted I was going to go back
[3:03:52] to 800. I I think it's seven stores.
[3:03:56] >> Oh, I'm sorry.
[3:03:56] >> That's okay.
[3:03:58] >> Seven. It's seven stores.
[3:03:59] >> It's seven stores, but it's not like the
[3:04:02] big So, that was my confir
[3:04:05] most. Four of them are already open.
[3:04:07] >> Yes.
[3:04:08] >> So, they that money is accounted for. We
[3:04:10] only opened three in 2021.
[3:04:19] » Thank you. Got it.
[3:04:20] So there seven stores but we're
[3:04:22] capturing revenue from four of them for a couple years
[3:04:27] >> 800,000 right
[3:04:29] >> and then the three open
[3:04:31] >> three more for 200,000
[3:04:35] >> but
[3:04:36] they're included in some of the revenue
[3:04:39] I thought maybe that's why I wanted the
[3:04:40] dates so we can kind of get an idea of
[3:04:42] like how much we can raise it so I
[3:04:45] didn't I don't agree with taking it down
[3:04:47] I do think it should go back up but Um,
[3:04:50] I guess I'm concerned if it goes another
[3:04:52] 300,000 when we only had one shorter
[3:04:55] account for it.
[3:04:55] >> I thought that went up.
[3:04:57] >> It didn't. They took it down.
[3:04:58] >> They took it down. The mayor
[3:05:02] get back.
[3:05:03] >> He is.
[3:05:04] >> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.
[3:05:06] My question is it's a million too high.
[3:05:08] >> Too much. That's my question because we
[3:05:10] only have one store that wasn't
[3:05:12] incorporated in that. That's my
[3:05:14] question. Um we're banking for the
[3:05:16] situation awareness. Two other stores
[3:05:20] locations were approved by the planning
[3:05:22] commission. One on upper upper upper
[3:05:26] >> Broadway and then there's one key bank
[3:05:30] by the wondering map by the uh
[3:05:32] >> oh yeah
[3:05:35] >> there seems to have been some activity
[3:05:36] working on that.
[3:05:37] >> Yes.
[3:05:38] They're still working. That's
[3:05:39] right. 1610 Eastern Parkway was is
[3:05:41] nonoperational but one. What was the
[3:05:44] other one?
[3:05:44] >> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it may be
[3:05:46] West over place. It may go by
[3:05:49] >> Westing
[3:05:52] House. Westing House.
[3:05:54] >> It may be going instead of going to
[3:05:56] Broadway address maybe going.
[3:05:59] >> Do you know the name of it? Because
[3:06:02] >> but so basically
[3:06:04] 170 Broadway.
[3:06:06] >> Okay.
[3:06:08] >> Well,
[3:06:09] >> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I
[3:06:12] mean I've noticed the decrease on Union
[3:06:14] Street of people in mine. I hope the
[3:06:16] same amount of revenue will come in just
[3:06:19] >> spreading across. Yeah,
[3:06:20] >> it's spreading across. I don't think I
[3:06:21] don't think there's going to be a
[3:06:22] million dollars um especially with the
[3:06:25] amount of municipalities that now people
[3:06:27] go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,
[3:06:30] it's in Troy, it's all over. So people
[3:06:32] were coming here specifically and I
[3:06:33] think those first two years we were able
[3:06:35] to capitalize on but I can't see it
[3:06:37] going up that much. But Massachusetts
[3:06:40] had it all the time before before we
[3:06:42] even dreamed about another story.
[3:06:43] Massachusetts had it.
[3:06:44] >> Oh, Massachusetts did.
[3:06:45] >> It didn't affect the sale in
[3:06:48] >> Can I can I ask a question of our
[3:06:50] commissioner? Why then did we when with
[3:06:54] the mayor's budget, why did it get
[3:06:56] lowered
[3:06:57] >> if we have more
[3:07:00] active
[3:07:02] quarter of this year and you know that
[3:07:07] by two? Oh yeah, I got I see it.
[3:07:09] >> It's right on that mark.
[3:07:11] >> Gotcha.
[3:07:12] >> And we're looking at these revenue. I
[3:07:14] just want to again caution that
[3:07:17] looking at you know increasing revenue
[3:07:20] marks.
[3:07:21] >> So we don't have these marks on balance.
[3:07:23] I mean that's really well currently. So
[3:07:27] we don't want to make the city right.
[3:07:29] >> No, that's why I I think we should
[3:07:32] increase it back to what it was. Even in
[3:07:33] participation of the elder stores
[3:07:35] opening, I I'm I'm cautious with them.
[3:07:40] >> So, can I just ask a question about
[3:07:42] process here or because so John gave
[3:07:44] what his
[3:07:46] recommendations are? Are we going to go
[3:07:49] to each through each one of his or are
[3:07:50] we going to give
[3:07:51] >> each
[3:07:53] other? Okay. Because we're talking
[3:07:55] everybody's proposal and documenting it
[3:07:57] so that the
[3:07:58] >> Okay.
[3:07:59] finance team can have a path forward
[3:08:01] because we need to get numbers and look
[3:08:04] at real numbers right
[3:08:07] >> and not look at newspapers and
[3:08:08] >> so just to John would you consider um
[3:08:13] not going to a million on that one
[3:08:14] particular
[3:08:15] >> let's put it there okay then this is what we're going to talk
[3:08:18] >> on Friday okay we'll talk about on
[3:08:20] Friday
[3:08:21] >> yes
[3:08:22] >> I'm sorry
[3:08:25] I just uh I just need two more to
[3:08:29] um what I have
[3:08:30] >> okay
[3:08:31] >> what I have as as note for me
[3:08:33] >> the new deployment we need to add
[3:08:36] 150,000 to that line
[3:08:37] >> but that's budget neutral
[3:08:39] >> that's yes
[3:08:39] >> that's not that would be in general
[3:08:41] operating so that's in the cloud
[3:08:44] >> also
[3:08:46] >> let's not let's talk
[3:08:48] >> I just want to find the right to use
[3:08:51] >> and then I also would like to add um
[3:08:54] 40,000 back to the senior the senior
[3:08:56] program
[3:08:57] >> that's 8 1989
[3:09:01] 499
[3:09:02] >> 8 19 49
[3:09:06] >> 30
[3:09:12] » Yes.
[3:09:12] >> Mhm.
[3:09:14] >> We We need to fun our our senior
[3:09:15] programs.
[3:09:17] >> We kept one of the fun. We're over 70
[3:09:19] people that just
[3:09:20] >> How many?
[3:09:21] >> 70.
[3:09:21] >> Mhm.
[3:09:22] >> With a band, not the runners, the
[3:09:25] protot.
[3:09:27] I mean they were was session time
[3:09:31] that figure.
[3:09:33] >> Okay.
[3:09:33] >> I I didn't even look at that line
[3:09:34] because I it wasn't coming out of the
[3:09:37] budget.
[3:09:37] >> So we need to document that we the
[3:09:40] council is making recommendation for
[3:09:42] 150,000 [clears throat]
[3:09:43] um line.
[3:09:45] >> Yes.
[3:09:45] >> I know it's we don't want to use a term
[3:09:48] that it's in the cloud. We need we need
[3:09:50] some documentation to show that this is
[3:09:52] council recommendation.
[3:09:54] >> Yeah. Well, he's going to give us back a
[3:09:56] new
[3:09:57] >> I'm asking the commissioner.
[3:10:00] >> Should we like to document it?
[3:10:04] >> This is this is right now it's zero in
[3:10:06] the
[3:10:06] >> must be under
[3:10:09] >> probably [clears throat] documentation
[3:10:10] for the development department since
[3:10:13] it's not going to be significant.
[3:10:17] I'm sure she would work with the council
[3:10:19] and get some language in place
[3:10:23] established.
[3:10:24] >> You okay with that?
[3:10:25] >> Yeah, because whatever lines that she
[3:10:28] whatever funding source she identified
[3:10:30] she'll just have to might have to be
[3:10:32] done by legislation or no because she
[3:10:34] said it's already it's already and it's
[3:10:37] budget neutral. [clears throat]
[3:10:38] >> She can do it. She can do it.
[3:10:39] >> Yeah. So yeah.
[3:10:40] >> So we are not going to touch this
[3:10:42] document with that 15. is it's not going
[3:10:44] to be showing in the revenue.
[3:10:47] >> Okay, great. We like
[3:10:48] >> we do like this.
[3:10:49] >> We love that.
[3:10:50] >> Okay, great. So, I'm not even going to
[3:10:51] worry about where is it in this packet.
[3:10:53] >> Yep.
[3:10:54] >> Okay. So, what was next?
[3:10:56] >> Okay, that is my revenue.
[3:10:59] >> Um, you say you want to go next to the
[3:11:01] revenue, please proceed. I'm going to
[3:11:03] come back on expending today, but I give
[3:11:05] everybody an opportunity to go ahead. So
[3:11:08] I guess with Derek's explanation, I'm
[3:11:10] not in favor of decreasing the allowance
[3:11:12] for uncollected taxes by any amount.
[3:11:15] Derek came with that high importance.
[3:11:17] It's not
[3:11:18] >> it is I'm sorry 102 A102.
[3:11:23] >> Can can you I know you said it's not
[3:11:25] giving
[3:11:27] um of how that works, why it's there,
[3:11:30] what it's in that board. Can can you
[3:11:33] just explain a little bit further
[3:11:34] because I I'm not in favor of of
[3:11:37] lowering that at all
[3:11:40] >> or how do you account for it or is it
[3:11:42] just
[3:11:43] >> Yeah. How do you account for it? Where
[3:11:44] does it end up? What does it work? I
[3:11:46] mean, but it just I know why it has to
[3:11:49] do that.
[3:11:50] >> So,
[3:11:52] you look at the le. It's basically
[3:11:54] receivable. It shows the full amount,
[3:11:56] right? Um we book it. It's usually
[3:11:59] booked at year end. uh the for example
[3:12:03] for 2026
[3:12:05] uh we'll book it in December for
[3:12:07] whatever tax less passed
[3:12:11] by
[3:12:13] um and then find out usually around
[3:12:16] March of how much uncollected uh taxes
[3:12:20] been earned. Um so even though you see
[3:12:22] that full amount in the tax relief
[3:12:24] doesn't mean we're actually paying that
[3:12:26] limit. um we find out exactly all
[3:12:30] uncollected taxes by March and that's
[3:12:32] why we see that negative amount of the
[3:12:34] adopted budget or proposed budget.
[3:12:38] >> Understood.
[3:12:40] >> But but my number factor based on as we increase the the collection
[3:12:46] both of them can go for the same time.
[3:12:49] >> One has to go up and one has to go down.
[3:12:51] >> Well, not necessarily
[3:12:54] paying taxes.
[3:12:55] >> We're budgeting. buting in excess of $6
[3:12:57] million
[3:12:58] >> in anticipation of collecting.
[3:13:01] >> Well,
[3:13:01] >> so then we need to drop our uncollected
[3:13:04] too in anticipation that we're going to
[3:13:06] we're not going to have so much negative
[3:13:08] >> tax
[3:13:10] because as we go up one has to come down
[3:13:13] can't have both on the same same path
[3:13:15] there.
[3:13:16] >> I don't
[3:13:18] that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not in
[3:13:21] favor of decreasing uh A102.
[3:13:26] >> A 2610 B as in boy.
[3:13:29] >> So now I'm going to have to come up with
[3:13:30] a new
[3:13:36] » writing it. I'll just call the number
[3:13:38] out please.
[3:13:38] >> Parking fines. So um so I
[3:13:42] >> which one are the parking?
[3:13:44] >> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Mhm.
[3:13:48] >> I I I I I'm in favor of raising it
[3:13:51] 150,000, not the 400,000
[3:13:54] >> only because at this point until we get
[3:13:56] clarification on how we're going to
[3:13:57] collect these uncollected whatever um
[3:14:01] just I'm just not comfortable with it. I
[3:14:04] don't know. I know. I I'm just being a
[3:14:06] little bit more cautious because of
[3:14:08] these revenues we increase and we
[3:14:09] already start off the the 2027 budget in
[3:14:12] a deficit if we don't make these revenue
[3:14:14] figures. Again, I'm just saying uh bus
[3:14:18] patrol
[3:14:18] >> before you proceed ahead.
[3:14:19] >> Yes,
[3:14:20] >> I just want to clarify that
[3:14:23] >> and I base my number based on the
[3:14:25] comment I think you just had a bit of.
[3:14:27] >> Yes.
[3:14:27] >> So, the detail that they did for this
[3:14:29] year,
[3:14:31] you know,
[3:14:32] >> right?
[3:14:33] >> Not overall was 27. They did an internal
[3:14:38] analysis by themselves and they looking
[3:14:39] at 42.
[3:14:43] So
[3:14:43] >> based on the 42 day trail that they
[3:14:45] planning for next year
[3:14:47] >> the revenue is a part of that and that's
[3:14:50] how I was payable number here that's
[3:14:51] what I put together
[3:14:53] >> minus the 50 check
[3:14:54] >> that's 218
[3:14:56] >> so 220 220 that's 240 minus the 50,000
[3:15:00] and that's the information I received
[3:15:01] from them I didn't add anything else on
[3:15:04] top of that is pure this is pure number
[3:15:06] based
[3:15:09] for yeah they formula
[3:15:13] uh they didn't they didn't they didn't
[3:15:14] factor it out um over time but they did
[3:15:17] mention that this this detail comes out
[3:15:20] over time so if we're a drawing revenue
[3:15:22] we have to actually assign expenditure
[3:15:25] >> and that's how 50,000 because it's 24 to
[3:15:28] I
[3:15:29] >> wrote it all down as well but I didn't
[3:15:31] get the same number you did from from AC
[3:15:34] whipple
[3:15:34] >> this this is this is 218 almost 280
[3:15:40] >> I Factor in that over time. Factor out
[3:15:42] the over time.
[3:15:44] >> Just let me review this. So, same thing.
[3:15:45] 218
[3:15:47] >> for 414
[3:15:49] plus
[3:15:51] >> net
[3:15:52] gain of 130.
[3:15:54] >> And this information is from the sheer.
[3:15:58] So that that gain of 130 here and then
[3:16:01] they're looking at um
[3:16:05] year to date
[3:16:07] um another 338 which makes 20
[3:16:11] uh just say 270,000.
[3:16:14] >> No, you have to take the full revenue,
[3:16:16] >> right?
[3:16:16] >> You can't factor out the cost. Yeah.
[3:16:18] Well,
[3:16:18] >> you bring in the full revenue and then
[3:16:20] um
[3:16:20] >> later in the other part of the budget,
[3:16:22] we'll put the
[3:16:22] >> So the revenue has to come in as 100%
[3:16:24] and then you buy. So you can't you can't
[3:16:25] do both in one.
[3:16:27] >> Okay. So you're saying here taking
[3:16:31] the expenditure all the time. That's
[3:16:32] what I did here.
[3:16:33] >> Right.
[3:16:35] With the 440 um and what they're saying
[3:16:37] that we're going to get was we we have a
[3:16:39] net 130 this year and then if they
[3:16:41] double that it'll be a net 260.
[3:16:43] >> No I think you're mixing it up. Uh no
[3:16:45] that is
[3:16:46] >> 44 vehicles 24 uh 27 that is 220,000
[3:16:53] >> they got two.
[3:16:56] But minus the I'm just saying the net
[3:16:58] gain he said was 130. So I'm just
[3:17:01] doubling that for
[3:17:03] next year which would be 260. So I'm not
[3:17:06] so
[3:17:06] >> can't be 218,000US
[3:17:09] 24,000 is not 130. He he told us for
[3:17:12] >> the 130 is a separate line is a separate
[3:17:15] line for the six months for the 27
[3:17:18] detail
[3:17:20] period was 13,64
[3:17:25] » and for the entire year from January to
[3:17:27] October 27th detail 218,000 right
[3:17:30] >> and he's saying and he's saying that
[3:17:31] we're going to double those details
[3:17:33] >> next year we're going to double that
[3:17:36] revenue and then he takes the
[3:17:37] expenditures out over
[3:17:39] >> I'm not worried about the expenditures
[3:17:40] I'm just worried about the revenue.
[3:17:42] >> Well, the revenue what they provide to
[3:17:44] us
[3:17:44] >> 218 and 218 is is 4. You really say 219.
[3:17:48] >> That's why I round up 44.
[3:17:50] >> But what's already on the line is 910
[3:17:53] >> is 9.
[3:17:53] >> No, this is not even in the budget. They
[3:17:55] didn't account for this.
[3:17:56] >> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.
[3:18:00] >> We have to call. It was included in
[3:18:02] >> the chief said that this is noted in the
[3:18:05] revenue.
[3:18:06] >> This is something new. ACL said it was
[3:18:08] in the park fine.
[3:18:10] >> That's what he said.
[3:18:12] >> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down
[3:18:15] what he said. 2610B.
[3:18:16] >> Yes. And that's what I think.
[3:18:18] >> But but this is he's already incorporate
[3:18:21] this and you want to add another 440
[3:18:24] minus the thing is.
[3:18:25] >> Yeah. Just say 44.
[3:18:27] >> This was not accounted for that.
[3:18:29] >> Well, there seems the consensus of
[3:18:31] people who thought that he did say that.
[3:18:32] So I guess
[3:18:34] >> my question was direct to him.
[3:18:37] very clear that it is not.
[3:18:38] >> So, so, so, so this is what we do in the scenario that it's not there.
[3:18:43] Dorin, you have one number. In the
[3:18:44] scenario that it is there, you have
[3:18:45] another. Then we move on.
[3:18:46] >> I understand. Okay.
[3:18:48] >> Because they are increasing it next year
[3:18:50] to ask of that,
[3:18:52] >> right? Doubling it. Yes.
[3:18:53] >> Which would be 440, but there's already
[3:18:55] 910 on the line. Yes.
[3:18:57] >> Let me see. I think I have this number.
[3:18:59] Can we call or is that
[3:19:00] >> proper?
[3:19:02] We just go through the numbers.
[3:19:03] >> We go through your number. I can always
[3:19:04] read this stuff.
[3:19:05] >> So, again, I'm not. All right. So,
[3:19:07] that's uh 26.
[3:19:10] >> Oh, I thought you were saying something.
[3:19:13] >> So, you want to increase it by 150. I
[3:19:14] want to make sure I get your number
[3:19:15] down. Right.
[3:19:16] >> I'm going to I'm going to see what what
[3:19:17] was that.
[3:19:17] >> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add
[3:19:23] comfortable with
[3:19:28] Sam has a detail and the detail together
[3:19:31] so that we're not missing anything. So,
[3:19:33] let's get your number. What you're
[3:19:34] proposing for the parking
[3:19:36] >> for the parking fine
[3:19:39] 150 from the 910 up
[3:19:42] >> 150 increase already
[3:19:44] >> over the 910 correct.
[3:19:46] >> Are we doing anything with the expense
[3:19:48] line though for time?
[3:19:49] >> We're not there yet but we will have to
[3:19:51] because it will increase the staffing
[3:19:53] cost.
[3:19:53] >> Yeah.
[3:19:55] [clears throat]
[3:19:56] >> So busary
[3:20:00] » oh and delinquent parking funds. Oh,
[3:20:03] then that was just that one. Oh, the bus
[3:20:05] control 2610 and it's in Nancy. I'm
[3:20:07] comfortable with that increase.
[3:20:10] >> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase
[3:20:14] out there?
[3:20:15] >> The bus patrol,
[3:20:16] >> right?
[3:20:16] >> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600
[3:20:19] >> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting
[3:20:21] that in.
[3:20:22] >> Um, I'm just debating that.
[3:20:24] >> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm
[3:20:25] sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as
[3:20:26] >> Well, it's new.
[3:20:28] >> Okay.
[3:20:28] >> NEW
[3:20:29] >> and you're good with 2.3.
[3:20:30] >> Well, yeah.
[3:20:32] I think that's all right. A 2660A.
[3:20:35] Oh, I I missed I missed some
[3:20:38] >> 66A.
[3:20:40] >> I missed the car's um recommendation. I
[3:20:43] will not I I will not I will not go
[3:20:45] above 3 million. She sat here tonight
[3:20:48] and said that that's what she was
[3:20:49] comfortable with.
[3:20:50] >> A3005
[3:20:55] » mortgage tax. mortgage tax
[3:21:01] only 200,000.
[3:21:03] So what's how much is that? Um I only
[3:21:05] want it to be 200,000. Oh increase to
[3:21:08] 200,000. So 950 plus 200,000
[3:21:11] >> is sort of around what Mr. Mut is
[3:21:14] saying,
[3:21:14] >> right?
[3:21:16] >> 950 plus I don't know. I need a total
[3:21:19] >> 950. Sorry, it's very
[3:21:22] >> No, this this whole thing is to get to
[3:21:25] get Mr. toal.
[3:21:26] >> I know. I'm just trying to tell myself,
[3:21:28] but
[3:21:28] >> All right. 950 and 200 is 1 050.
[3:21:35] >> Just get them. Yeah. Yeah, you got it.
[3:21:38] >> I honestly think that um the casino
[3:21:40] A3089.
[3:21:42] I I I really want to increase that
[3:21:44] revenue.
[3:21:46] >> How much?
[3:21:47] >> Like
[3:21:49] I'm thinking 500,000, but I don't know.
[3:21:53] >> No, no, no. Go ahead. Put it down. This
[3:21:54] is this is where we can start to flow
[3:21:56] the number. That's why I wanted to flush
[3:21:58] it out
[3:21:59] >> and see where where it lands.
[3:22:01] >> I mean, we have a lot of things going on
[3:22:03] in the city. Um, a new hotel coming up
[3:22:06] right there.
[3:22:07] >> Um, the event center. And granted, you
[3:22:09] know, people say they're not going to
[3:22:10] come to the event center, go to the
[3:22:12] casino, but as a casino, go. I agree
[3:22:15] with you.
[3:22:16] >> There's more weddings going on there.
[3:22:18] Uh, anyway,
[3:22:19] >> if you don't mind, can you give us the
[3:22:21] eight? I'm going to put that 3089
[3:22:24] >> and that's revenue H is in Henry
[3:22:27] >> H3
[3:22:29] >> A3089H
[3:22:34] it's right here
[3:22:35] >> on this page 12 yeah
[3:22:38] >> question when I asked you about that you
[3:22:41] said that was something we couldn't
[3:22:42] touch because it was a formula
[3:22:45] so I think everybody needs to hear that
[3:22:47] >> before we try to make
[3:22:49] >> that's what we've been told that we
[3:22:50] can't touch a number formula
[3:22:53] and we touch on that so that there's a
[3:22:54] formula. We don't have a concrete
[3:22:57] pattern of saying yes there's a formula
[3:22:59] on that
[3:23:00] >> and that was the question
[3:23:01] >> sometimes it goes up it keep going up
[3:23:03] every year
[3:23:05] >> but
[3:23:06] yeah so what is what is the basis for it
[3:23:08] changing how is it increasing because I asked that question we get
[3:23:12] >> more more uh
[3:23:13] >> visitors
[3:23:13] >> more visitors to the casino right now
[3:23:15] the our revenue
[3:23:17] >> more events more hotels
[3:23:19] >> so that means our revenue is based on
[3:23:22] >> what they take in so what is the formula
[3:23:24] that means there's a formula. So what is
[3:23:25] it?
[3:23:26] >> So that means we're anticipating more
[3:23:28] people coming
[3:23:29] >> and therefore there's a formula like
[3:23:31] instead of having I don't know how many
[3:23:33] people go there 50,000 last year we're
[3:23:35] going to have 75,000
[3:23:36] >> something that you can follow up with
[3:23:37] us.
[3:23:38] >> Yeah. See if we could uh find
[3:23:41] >> but can I just broken up by
[3:23:44] municipalities
[3:23:47] » actually I believe
[3:23:50] and the concessions was that received
[3:23:53] the full amount. Yes.
[3:23:54] >> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I
[3:23:57] just want to make sure that
[3:23:58] >> we're basing it on something concrete
[3:24:00] where we can get there.
[3:24:02] >> So is this time that we can ask a
[3:24:03] question of our commissioner? So my
[3:24:05] question is listening to everything that
[3:24:08] I just heard from my three colleagues.
[3:24:12] >> Why then I I'm going to say so where did
[3:24:16] we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the
[3:24:18] mayor's proposed budget? That was also
[3:24:21] based uh via conversations with the
[3:24:24] county.
[3:24:25] >> Okay.
[3:24:25] >> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the
[3:24:28] city as well.
[3:24:28] >> Okay.
[3:24:29] >> Yeah.
[3:24:31] Stack number.
[3:24:32] >> Yeah. No, I got all conversations with
[3:24:33] them.
[3:24:34] >> So no offense to the conversations. Can
[3:24:36] we see something in black and white?
[3:24:38] >> Okay. Good.
[3:24:39] >> Just carry through your number all the
[3:24:41] numbers there as the proposal.
[3:24:43] >> Okay. And we'll follow up and see where is this formula or where is this
[3:24:48] narrative that's saying that this is our
[3:24:50] money.
[3:24:51] >> I'm going to be very cautious of the um
[3:24:54] CDBG money on A2178
[3:24:58] and a
[3:25:01] Wait a minute. Hold on. I got to go back
[3:25:03] to you.
[3:25:03] >> All because I would like to hear from
[3:25:06] Commissioner Farm and and Mr.
[3:25:09] as if they have anything in the pipeline
[3:25:12] going against that type of money.
[3:25:14] >> I don't know.
[3:25:16] >> I'm thinking if they have it back in
[3:25:17] 2020.
[3:25:20] >> Absolutely.
[3:25:22] >> If I may that the director
[3:25:23] [clears throat] was very clear that this
[3:25:25] money is not being brought out. This
[3:25:27] money is available there. It needs to be
[3:25:28] spent by mid next year or next year
[3:25:31] sometime. And if it doesn't, we are
[3:25:34] >> I have no issues with that.
[3:25:36] >> The whole idea was to all these invoices
[3:25:39] and then we have nothing for this.
[3:25:41] >> Again, I think that our commissioner
[3:25:42] would be able to kind of tell us that if
[3:25:44] there's unpaid invoices against that
[3:25:47] line from
[3:25:48] >> putting it in just like the next
[3:25:51] >> I think in my opinion we got the
[3:25:53] information from Miss Parker. However,
[3:25:54] >> if there's invoices Mr. Nuke,
[3:25:57] >> wouldn't it happen?
[3:26:01] » They would be in the system.
[3:26:04] >> We have that report.
[3:26:05] >> Part of that open PL report. Yeah, we
[3:26:07] had that report that you gave us.
[3:26:09] >> They would be actual stock as process
[3:26:13] get documents get the documents from
[3:26:17] >> you gave us a list of open fields and I
[3:26:19] didn't see any significant amount there
[3:26:21] from um
[3:26:22] >> what I'm sensing from this uh Miss Carba
[3:26:25] um
[3:26:27] you know presentation
[3:26:28] >> is that this money was set aside for
[3:26:30] salary and they were supposed to
[3:26:31] document every you know every aspect of
[3:26:33] the work. I am thinking that um it's too
[3:26:38] much
[3:26:39] of a work for the department. So they
[3:26:41] decide to draw them directly from the
[3:26:43] salary line instead of um yes
[3:26:47] and I will take the recommendation
[3:26:51] >> I I haven't
[3:26:57] question
[3:26:59] why they haven't used the money. Is that
[3:27:00] what you're saying? Well, I think they
[3:27:03] have anything they're going to put
[3:27:04] forward
[3:27:05] >> and the open P.
[3:27:07] >> But can this money
[3:27:09] get Can they really spend that far with
[3:27:12] that?
[3:27:12] >> Well, they can if they put invoices in I don't know. It's still money, you
[3:27:17] know, it's still available money before
[3:27:19] it has to be it's
[3:27:21] expensive or the ones that they try to
[3:27:24] spend it against those even
[3:27:30] » the employ
[3:27:35] because
[3:27:36] >> we didn't do our our
[3:27:39] put in
[3:27:41] you talked me into it. She said she's
[3:27:43] comfortable.
[3:27:44] >> She says she's comfortable, but ask the
[3:27:45] question.
[3:27:48] >> I'm sorry, but I I we danced at another
[3:27:50] place. How much are we talking about
[3:27:52] increasing that casino license fee
[3:27:54] behind 500?
[3:27:56] >> All right. [laughter]
[3:27:59] >> No, no. Please, this is this
[3:28:01] >> we are kind of going back and forth.
[3:28:02] >> This is where we we we need to make
[3:28:04] >> you tell me again what the casino line
[3:28:06] is.
[3:28:08] Mia,
[3:28:09] >> I just realized that I'm going to do the
[3:28:10] same thing.
[3:28:11] >> I got a I guess line is on page eight.
[3:28:16] >> Please please please
[3:28:19] trying to write down what she said to
[3:28:21] her.
[3:28:21] >> Well, hold on. She's trying to follow
[3:28:22] along. So, she's asking the page number
[3:28:24] so she can get so she can understand
[3:28:26] what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's all
[3:28:27] I'm trying to do is give her the page
[3:28:28] number and I gave her the wrong one. So,
[3:28:30] if you give her the page number
[3:28:33] to call it the the A number
[3:28:35] >> and then we just jump to the page.
[3:28:37] >> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast. But
[3:28:39] >> if we're going to have a site
[3:28:40] conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,
[3:28:42] we're not going to get a new year.
[3:28:44] >> Okay.
[3:28:44] >> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I'm
[3:28:48] definitely thinking of finding $40,000
[3:28:50] somewhere to put it back in the
[3:28:52] >> 1989.
[3:28:54] >> Again, like I said,
[3:28:56] >> invaluable $4.99,
[3:28:58] >> you know,
[3:28:59] >> the um Hibernians, you know, I'm sure
[3:29:02] we've been there field trips out. Um,
[3:29:06] so, uh, you know, the these people go,
[3:29:09] it's it's they they they get a good
[3:29:11] meal. They don't have to worry about
[3:29:12] dinner for like four three, four or five
[3:29:15] dollars. Uh, the rest is funded through
[3:29:17] us and through capital, who runs the
[3:29:19] program outside of the hyper. So, I
[3:29:22] think it's extremely important to have
[3:29:24] something for our seniors. At least it's
[3:29:25] a little, it can't be like huge, but
[3:29:28] what we'd like to offer them,
[3:29:30] >> yes. Did you um sign anything for 2178
[3:29:33] and 217?
[3:29:35] >> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if
[3:29:38] they've already spent taking the money
[3:29:39] out of
[3:29:40] >> general fund and spent it but I just
[3:29:43] don't understand
[3:29:44] >> and not utilizing the CDB they utilize
[3:29:47] other source of funding
[3:29:48] >> that bothers me but
[3:29:50] >> yes it does. That's what I feel like.
[3:29:53] >> Is it more like this outside here that
[3:29:54] we need to know?
[3:29:55] >> I'm going to have to say
[3:29:57] >> I can't keep up.
[3:29:58] >> Did all the paperwork
[3:30:00] >> and she's not there and no one's doing
[3:30:02] the paperwork and it's all got to be
[3:30:03] documented way up there with funding.
[3:30:06] >> The person who retired wonderful.
[3:30:09] >> So I'm done. Who's next? [clears throat]
[3:30:11] >> Who would like um Miss Patrick, would
[3:30:13] you like to go?
[3:30:14] >> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm
[3:30:17] going to wait till I get my document on
[3:30:19] Friday back from Mr. Bugamok.
[3:30:22] >> So are we not we're not making no
[3:30:23] recommendation.
[3:30:24] >> Do you have anything?
[3:30:25] >> I'd have to go line by line. So please
[3:30:30] >> the uh so the allowance for collecting
[3:30:31] taxes you want to keep it the same
[3:30:35] >> cannabis excess tax. What was that? I
[3:30:37] missed that one.
[3:30:38] >> Can I keep that the same? No, I hope the
[3:30:44] wrong
[3:30:46] I can't find it now.
[3:30:51] » Can she didn't say Dorene didn't say
[3:30:54] >> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I
[3:30:57] didn't touch on canvas.
[3:30:58] >> No, you didn't. Mr. Min said, "Let's put
[3:31:00] it at 1 million."
[3:31:01] >> Right. Um
[3:31:04] >> John, she
[3:31:05] >> You're right. Let me see. I I definitely
[3:31:07] since uh year to date, we're almost
[3:31:09] there. So I So I guess I' I'd like to
[3:31:11] add $100,000 a cannabis.
[3:31:14] >> I don't think anymore.
[3:31:15] >> So DD800,000.
[3:31:17] >> A116.
[3:31:18] >> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.
[3:31:21] >> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.
[3:31:28] I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.
[3:31:32] [laughter]
[3:31:33] >> I don't know how we're going to make a
[3:31:41] Are you Mr.
[3:31:43] >> Yes. Yes.
[3:31:44] >> Okay. Miss Patrick,
[3:31:46] >> I I need to be last because I don't I
[3:31:49] want to hear what everybody else is
[3:31:50] saying. So, Miss Porterfield would be
[3:31:52] next, right?
[3:31:54] >> Going in order.
[3:31:55] >> Are you ready?
[3:31:55] >> I called on you to to make any
[3:31:57] recommendation that you have.
[3:31:58] >> I'm not ready to do that.
[3:31:59] >> She's not ready. Morfield is ready.
[3:32:02] >> Yes, I am ready.
[3:32:06] [clears throat] I like
[3:32:09] to accept it.
[3:32:14] » Thank you.
[3:32:18] » You have it actually.
[3:32:20] >> I know you got it. I got it.
[3:32:23] >> It looks like Well, I can give you mine
[3:32:26] if you want.
[3:32:30] » So, [clears throat] yes. So, she's
[3:32:32] starting on
[3:32:36] >> it.
[3:32:39] » Okay, there we go. I got it.
[3:32:41] >> 1116.
[3:32:42] >> So, I wanted to the line 116. I should
[3:32:45] have put the lines in my email. Um, the
[3:32:47] cannabis line. I wanted to increase that
[3:32:50] by 100,000
[3:32:52] based on that the opening of new sites
[3:32:54] in 2025. However, now that Mr. um
[3:33:00] Mr. Ryan has said that we have two more
[3:33:03] that were approved.
[3:33:04] >> Yeah.
[3:33:05] >> Um I'm willing to go up to another
[3:33:07] 50,000 on that. So So to increase that
[3:33:09] by 150,000 line one
[3:33:12] six.
[3:33:14] >> Yep.
[3:33:16] >> Cuz now we have two stores open. All
[3:33:18] right. Um this I apologize when Miss
[3:33:22] Carver was here that I didn't I should
[3:33:24] have had it in front of me. Um she
[3:33:26] explained to me and Mr. very could you
[3:33:29] tell us what the demolition line is for
[3:33:33] >> it's a contingency but it's
[3:33:35] >> right
[3:33:37] um
[3:33:39] fan but it's under contingency
[3:33:42] >> so the $400,000 demo is under that
[3:33:45] >> I'm looking
[3:33:46] >> under contingencies
[3:33:47] >> yes it just see 400,000
[3:33:49] >> right so what say and we didn't do a
[3:33:54] double back there on this but we were
[3:33:56] having that conversation
[3:33:58] And she said there is CBBG money
[3:34:00] [clears throat] that is allowed for for
[3:34:02] um
[3:34:04] excuse me for demolition demolition. I
[3:34:06] think she talked about that.
[3:34:08] >> Right. So this would be offsetting
[3:34:12] that number by what's available in CDG
[3:34:14] and I again I apologize
[3:34:17] for that question. We need to know what
[3:34:20] that number is and how much would be put
[3:34:22] against the
[3:34:23] >> use the CPPG money that is
[3:34:26] >> Can we have that as a question please?
[3:34:28] >> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in
[3:34:30] past years um history wise um it's not
[3:34:35] only demolition so many things that come
[3:34:37] up the city is un unforeseen unaware of
[3:34:40] and
[3:34:42] >> so that's why
[3:34:46] so far
[3:34:49] » okay
[3:34:51] that do come depending on
[3:34:55] what happened
[3:34:57] >> so what I think we should look at how
[3:34:59] much we've used the demolition, how much
[3:35:01] it's available and reduce the line by
[3:35:04] because when I know when we were
[3:35:06] discussing that line, it was very clear
[3:35:07] demolition is the large part of it.
[3:35:09] >> So it's available only otherwise we
[3:35:12] should get it and I'll I guess I can
[3:35:14] text her but she might not want to hear
[3:35:15] from us.
[3:35:16] >> No, we'll follow up with a question.
[3:35:18] Miss Michael, can you please make a site
[3:35:21] number?
[3:35:22] >> It would be good if we knew the number.
[3:35:24] >> We do. It's like
[3:35:27] Mr. Williams put it on to reduce it
[3:35:29] >> 1989 485
[3:35:32] page 30
[3:35:34] >> page 30
[3:35:36] >> right and again J right now we did talk
[3:35:38] about this is $282,5001
[3:35:42] so
[3:35:44] we have to spend
[3:35:47] » we might [clears throat]
[3:35:49] 1989485
[3:35:54] » so what do you want that to be
[3:35:55] >> I'm sorry I I want to or Marian I'm
[3:35:58] sorry. Yes.
[3:35:58] >> I wanted to know how much
[3:36:01] we have spent. Well, I know how much we
[3:36:03] spent. What I want to know is how much
[3:36:04] was essentially for demolitions use out
[3:36:07] of this. How much is available from
[3:36:08] CDBG?
[3:36:10] >> I'm sorry.
[3:36:10] >> No, sorry. Go finish.
[3:36:12] >> And how much is available to CDBG and we
[3:36:15] could do reduce that line maybe not
[3:36:16] exactly the amount but to some level of
[3:36:19] that because if there's money that we
[3:36:20] can spend from CDBG
[3:36:22] which and and take it out of there, we
[3:36:24] want to have it here.
[3:36:27] Yeah. Before Before you proceed, Mr.
[3:36:29] Torah has a
[3:36:30] >> I did I did have to decrease that,000.
[3:36:34] >> Increase it or decrease that same line.
[3:36:37] >> Yes.
[3:36:37] >> Oh, yeah. Okay. I have 300 that 1989
[3:36:41] contingency
[3:36:44] >> down 300,000.
[3:36:45] >> It's on page um 30.
[3:36:47] >> Sorry. So, that is to recommendation.
[3:36:50] Okay. Thank you. So I may depending on
[3:36:52] what ma
[3:36:54] has to say my bloodre
[3:37:00] » 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorine
[3:37:03] >> yes back 100
[3:37:07] >> lower by 100
[3:37:10] so for me I would have to see question
[3:37:12] [clears throat] how much is available
[3:37:14] for us to be able to do that
[3:37:15] >> and maybe even
[3:37:20] there's a question going to be emailed
[3:37:22] out from this car.
[3:37:23] >> Right. I don't need to go over what
[3:37:26] other people said. Um but I did want to
[3:37:29] um
[3:37:30] >> well here, but I wanted to add back. Oh,
[3:37:32] no. That's we're not doing this. We're
[3:37:33] not doing that yet. How much I wanted to
[3:37:36] use the maximum fund balance allow to
[3:37:39] minimize tax increases including I
[3:37:42] understand the contracts that may be
[3:37:43] outstanding. So I'd like to know what
[3:37:45] that number would be.
[3:37:47] That's not exact
[3:37:53] 6.1 million minus 2 million budget. So
[3:37:55] it's 4.1
[3:37:57] >> and use all that.
[3:37:59] >> I have no idea.
[3:38:00] >> I didn't say all of it. I said the
[3:38:01] maximum. So you said there's
[3:38:03] >> the council used all that. They could
[3:38:06] >> I didn't ask what it says. What it says
[3:38:09] is the maximum when I say maximum fund
[3:38:13] available. Okay. Maybe we should expand
[3:38:15] on that. that doesn't um that we have to
[3:38:19] have like you said 15%. So it gets to
[3:38:21] the 15. What's that number?
[3:38:26] >> 15% of the general operation budget
[3:38:28] would be the number.
[3:38:29] >> So I I would like the number and and
[3:38:33] then you could um subtract out you said
[3:38:37] uh for the 300,000 for one contract
[3:38:40] >> and 600 for one.
[3:38:42] >> Well, we should that isn't that an
[3:38:44] executive session kind of things because
[3:38:46] they're still negotiating those
[3:38:48] contracts. Yeah, but we're just general
[3:38:51] guess
[3:38:51] >> he said guess
[3:38:55] » I think it's
[3:38:55] >> 15% of the operating 26 for be 18
[3:38:59] million
[3:39:02] » all on 18 million sign that's just 15%
[3:39:07] of it
[3:39:08] >> and all on signs
[3:39:10] >> we have to have 15 million so when's the
[3:39:13] last time we had that?
[3:39:15] >> We had 12 million last year until staff.
[3:39:18] >> So when's the last time we made 18? I
[3:39:21] mean, in one year, I'll just in in 2011,
[3:39:24] the mayor said he had 775,000 and he's
[3:39:28] okay with it. So let's ask him if he's
[3:39:30] okay with it again.
[3:39:32] That so it has to all be unsigned. It
[3:39:36] does not not it's not
[3:39:37] >> that's 50% general.
[3:39:40] >> Mhm.
[3:39:41] I think I gave you a packet from
[3:39:46] » uh let's see
[3:39:49] >> um said there's an example of 15%
[3:39:52] >> right and there's also an example there
[3:39:55] that says that um two months of
[3:39:57] expenditure is also what you could base
[3:40:00] it on since we don't have our own policy
[3:40:02] so there's more than one um
[3:40:04] >> I think the low was 5%
[3:40:10] And that's sold there's high over 15%.
[3:40:13] So it fluctuates.
[3:40:15] >> Well, I think we're going to have to use
[3:40:16] more of our fund down. So I'd like to
[3:40:18] see us be able to use what we can to to
[3:40:21] get this through place so we're not
[3:40:22] first of all exceeding our tax and also
[3:40:25] back. So
[3:40:29] that's I think everything else that I
[3:40:32] have um Oh, I did the cannabis right
[3:40:35] with Mr.
[3:40:37] >> Yes, you did. You said that
[3:40:39] >> increase the cannabis line by 100,000.
[3:40:42] >> Something
[3:40:42] >> 150.
[3:40:43] >> Yeah.
[3:40:44] >> Oh, 150.
[3:40:45] >> That's that's recommendation.
[3:40:47] >> Um after Mr. O'Brien.
[3:40:49] >> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15
[3:40:52] on my budget.
[3:40:57] Um,
[3:40:59] [snorts]
[3:41:03] » um,
[3:41:05] >> so I think that's it for my for the um
[3:41:08] >> revenue.
[3:41:10] >> The revenue side.
[3:41:13] >> Do you have any any expenditure you want
[3:41:16] to touch on? Yeah.
[3:41:22] » Just going back to fund bounce. Do you
[3:41:24] have a number
[3:41:26] >> over the 2 million that you're looking
[3:41:28] to utilize?
[3:41:30] >> No, I don't have any number. I want to I
[3:41:33] want something to you. What is the
[3:41:34] number that we um
[3:41:38] we can you say have 18 million um would
[3:41:42] be?
[3:41:47] in the package.
[3:41:54] » 15 would be above,
[3:41:57] » right? We don't have a problem. So
[3:41:59] that's what I'm saying. We don't have
[3:42:00] policy, right? We don't have a fun.
[3:42:05] Okay. All right. So we're kind of like I
[3:42:08] was saying yes, Mr.
[3:42:11] Um though
[3:42:13] I would like us to not be able to
[3:42:15] increase tax 17%. So I'm
[3:42:21] not supposed to have I don't know.
[3:42:28] » What did you say? What did you say?
[3:42:30] >> Somewhat of a question.
[3:42:31] >> That's right. service. So, and and some
[3:42:34] of this for me is going to be based on
[3:42:35] how much we can recapture here with all
[3:42:39] the different uh revenue changes that
[3:42:41] we're going to be doing. Then, how much
[3:42:43] we will need out of the funding. So, I
[3:42:46] would like to use the maximum
[3:42:48] we have to put these two things
[3:42:49] together. Are you following me so far?
[3:42:51] >> So, we have to put these two things
[3:42:53] together. How much we can increase our
[3:42:55] revenue, which has been some pretty
[3:42:57] significant I think. Um, and then use
[3:43:01] our fund balance to make up for that.
[3:43:04] So, not
[3:43:06] that that's my goal. Let just let
[3:43:07] everybody know that is my goal not to
[3:43:09] exceed the tax cap and to also not have
[3:43:12] a 17% tax increase. I don't want to say
[3:43:14] a percentage right now. I'd like it to
[3:43:16] be zero. Don't get don't.
[3:43:19] So I'd like to know what that what
[3:43:21] number would you be comfortable with?
[3:43:25] » Two million.
[3:43:28] >> What what's already the 2 million that's
[3:43:30] already in this budget is what you're
[3:43:32] comfortable with.
[3:43:33] >> That's what Okay.
[3:43:34] >> Okay. So it's not too many. 2 million is
[3:43:38] all we should spend.
[3:43:39] >> Correct.
[3:43:40] >> Okay.
[3:43:44] We don't have a lot left
[3:43:47] balance.
[3:43:53] » So right now
[3:43:56] >> no there's 621 we're utilizing
[3:44:00] homes that would be 4.1 available
[3:44:03] >> depending on union contracts that might
[3:44:05] be drastically changed. Then I said,
[3:44:08] "Okay, number
[3:44:13] three."
[3:44:14] >> No,
[3:44:15] >> plus three plus the one that you already
[3:44:18] in there.
[3:44:19] >> Okay. Wait, don't say I don't have to
[3:44:22] say I do that.
[3:44:22] >> So, uh, can you put that in the notes
[3:44:25] also?
[3:44:25] >> Mhm.
[3:44:26] >> Yes.
[3:44:27] um plus $1 million
[3:44:30] recommendation
[3:44:32] >> which brings us sort of I know we can't
[3:44:34] calculate it because of the contract two
[3:44:36] million that would leave us
[3:44:38] >> 3.1
[3:44:40] >> minus contracts
[3:44:42] >> so say two
[3:44:44] >> oh right
[3:44:45] >> maybe less
[3:44:49] » do you have any more
[3:44:50] >> well that I'll move to u
[3:44:53] >> let's see
[3:44:53] >> Mr. Harley and then uh So just to just
[3:44:57] kind of finish up this conversation that
[3:44:59] we all we always email.
[3:45:05] So just to finish up on the conversation
[3:45:07] in terms of the fund balance we've been
[3:45:09] hanging out there because my intent is
[3:45:11] that we would do that but we would be
[3:45:13] looking at again our pilots so that we
[3:45:16] can start and raise
[3:45:20] to um and we have two one expiring next
[3:45:22] year two expiring the following year. so
[3:45:25] that we could start um building up on
[3:45:27] Dund.
[3:45:32] » Thank you. So, so yeah, Mr. Letter that
[3:45:34] he did send to us. I think it's
[3:45:35] appropriate that that I read it. Um and
[3:45:38] I do want to make a note that the one
[3:45:40] expiring next year for
[3:45:43] uh State Street, what's the address
[3:45:46] there?
[3:45:47] >> Don't
[3:45:47] >> I know. Um
[3:45:49] >> mention that.
[3:45:50] >> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll
[3:45:52] just give you the date. Yes.
[3:45:56] » Um
[3:45:58] >> well the one exper
[3:46:02] 26 um that came off with time already
[3:46:08] it came off what it already came off
[3:46:10] this year
[3:46:12] then why it came off like it's going to
[3:46:15] come off.
[3:46:16] >> I know it it's already come off.
[3:46:18] >> And how would you know then? Um I
[3:46:20] suppose uh after received his email and
[3:46:22] all these um pilot um things from uh Mr.
[3:46:26] Gillan this morning, which is the first
[3:46:28] time that I've got to see them, um I did
[3:46:30] reach out to um our assessor and um uh
[3:46:37] receiver receiver foxes to go over um
[3:46:42] the pilots exactly how they how they
[3:46:44] worked. Each one is is so different.
[3:46:47] Each one is individual. Um some years,
[3:46:50] uh you know, sometimes they start out
[3:46:52] with no taxes and then after three years
[3:46:54] they start paying taxes and they they up
[3:46:57] most of them have to increase 5% until
[3:47:00] they um until they're at full rate. But
[3:47:03] >> so let me
[3:47:05] see what this is going.
[3:47:07] >> I started talking about how
[3:47:10] I started talking about quite a while
[3:47:12] ago. There was an email sent from which
[3:47:13] we all received and I followed up. I
[3:47:17] made it clear when we started this
[3:47:18] budget prospect that I'm not trying to
[3:47:20] get pilot to to um it's not for this
[3:47:24] year's budget but moving forward. So
[3:47:26] there's an implication that there's
[3:47:29] information that you're not receiving. I
[3:47:31] made it clear because I've been talking
[3:47:32] about pilots. I've been talking to I've
[3:47:34] been talking to too to
[3:47:36] [cough and clears throat]
[3:47:37] the assessor's office about it. And so
[3:47:40] until I'm ready to proceed where it's
[3:47:42] exactly,
[3:47:44] I don't feel like I need to like put
[3:47:46] give it out there. You have it now.
[3:47:48] That's fine because only because people
[3:47:50] asked for it. So this is something that
[3:47:52] I've been working on until we came to a
[3:47:53] final thing and waiting for the other
[3:47:55] information from Miss Maloy. We would
[3:47:59] have gotten we're here now because it
[3:48:02] was asked that Mr. um Gillan come he
[3:48:04] couldn't come and this this information
[3:48:06] came forward. So just to be clear about
[3:48:09] all of that in terms of me not having it
[3:48:12] somebody not having it again. How many
[3:48:15] times have I sat at this table and said
[3:48:16] I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for
[3:48:18] information about pilots. So this
[3:48:20] doesn't impact this current budget. It
[3:48:23] impacts going forward in my mind and
[3:48:25] that's what I was working on and looking
[3:48:26] towards. So I just want to make that
[3:48:28] abundantly clear.
[3:48:29] >> All right. Go ahead.
[3:48:30] >> Thank you. That absolutely clear. Um but
[3:48:32] after last night's conversation um I
[3:48:34] thought that maybe there was one pilot
[3:48:36] that might be next to you, but it's
[3:48:38] already that they've already stuff. Mr.
[3:48:41] Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him
[3:48:42] an explanation. Uh good morning. I have
[3:48:45] a metroplex board meeting this evening
[3:48:47] at 5:30 p.m. So, I cannot attend the
[3:48:49] council meeting this evening. We sent
[3:48:51] the council a report of highlights on
[3:48:53] August 4th. We sent an updated report on
[3:48:56] 9:24 to Council President Porterfield
[3:48:58] and offered at that time to discuss any
[3:49:00] agreements. I have had no responses from
[3:49:03] any council member to either pilot
[3:49:06] report. Please note that the pilot
[3:49:08] report shows that 25 pilots put
[3:49:10] properties back on the tax roles that
[3:49:12] previously were taxexempt and paid zero
[3:49:15] in taxes. Please note that an additional
[3:49:18] 27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or
[3:49:21] sites that paid nominal taxes to
[3:49:23] generate new revenue. One council member
[3:49:26] at your meeting mistakenly said that the
[3:49:28] county attorney is involved in these
[3:49:30] agreements. That is not the case.
[3:49:32] There's a formal process that governs
[3:49:34] the adoption of any pilot, including a
[3:49:36] public hearing, public notice, and
[3:49:39] approval at our meetings, which are
[3:49:40] televised and are all open to the
[3:49:42] public. I would be happy to attend any
[3:49:45] future meetings and review any questions
[3:49:46] you have. These agreements have been
[3:49:49] powerful new revenue generators for the
[3:49:52] city, and we are very proud of our role
[3:49:54] in a dramatically improving the city and
[3:49:57] its tax base. Many other metrop projects
[3:50:00] like the casino do not involve pilot
[3:50:02] pilots yet generate millions in revenue
[3:50:06] for the city. When I sent the
[3:50:07] information back in August, I was hoping
[3:50:09] that I might receive some feedback but
[3:50:11] have received none to date. I am always
[3:50:14] willing to available to discuss any
[3:50:16] questions read. Um and in in response to
[3:50:21] that and speaking with u my assessor
[3:50:23] today um I did find out that a lot of
[3:50:25] these pilots on here especially certain
[3:50:28] kinds of uh pilots given this is I can't
[3:50:32] mention them um are looking for money
[3:50:36] and the money uh the city can't help
[3:50:39] these individual businesses
[3:50:42] um because of a rule called 85b under
[3:50:46] the business off. So anyway, that's why
[3:50:49] Metroflex steps into a lot of lot of
[3:50:51] these properties that have a pilot to
[3:50:54] help out the city to increase tax
[3:50:56] revenue, housing, and everything else.
[3:50:59] So I just thought that that we needed to
[3:51:01] at least respond to what we all sat here
[3:51:03] last night and talked about um the
[3:51:06] pilot. Yeah.
[3:51:07] >> And and there's more to And so
[3:51:08] furthermore, I and I think I also
[3:51:10] mentioned I was in touch with Miss
[3:51:12] Malroy and she was developing a report
[3:51:14] and she said it was going to take a
[3:51:15] while and I you know so I was and I
[3:51:19] talked to Mr. Holdingham since we want
[3:51:20] to discuss all of this. Um I talked to
[3:51:23] Mr. Holdingham and asked about you know
[3:51:25] getting the actual
[3:51:27] um agreements
[3:51:29] >> and she said
[3:51:31] and he said you get that from from Mort.
[3:51:34] So I asked for it. She told me it's
[3:51:36] going to take some time to put together.
[3:51:38] So I'm not going to give like half the
[3:51:40] information like okay or you know and
[3:51:43] not have all the information for me. Say
[3:51:45] it again. I was working on this didn't
[3:51:47] say it and maybe nobody was listening in
[3:51:50] terms of pilots because we need to take
[3:51:52] a look at that. And um if there's
[3:51:55] another report that I received that
[3:51:57] there's something called residential
[3:51:59] pilots. So, I'm not going to like get
[3:52:00] deep into it, but there are pilots where
[3:52:03] people are paying um based on the
[3:52:07] particular um development that the
[3:52:10] person who moves into it and I guess
[3:52:12] they're buying them in these particular
[3:52:14] ones that lowers their taxes. So, I need
[3:52:17] to get some clarity on how that works as
[3:52:18] well. And if you want to ask or feel
[3:52:21] about that, you can. there there are
[3:52:23] people who own or buy these condos that
[3:52:26] are being built and so the pilot passes
[3:52:28] on to individuals like where you are out
[3:52:31] that so I would have to say maybe
[3:52:34] there's no businesses that get it but
[3:52:35] there are some residential pilots I'm
[3:52:37] trying to get clarity on how that works
[3:52:39] >> thank you
[3:52:43] » okay
[3:52:44] so far can you recommendation
[3:52:48] [clears throat]
[3:52:50] brief
[3:52:52] Okay. So, first line is stage one 02
[3:52:56] uncollected factors. Um I'm in line with
[3:52:59] Mr. Varian suggestion. Uh reducing that
[3:53:03] 850. You said 800,000, right? But I said
[3:53:06] 850.
[3:53:07] >> Oh, you said 852
[3:53:09] million.
[3:53:09] >> That's fine. We're close.
[3:53:11] >> Go to 2 million.
[3:53:12] >> Huh?
[3:53:13] >> Yes. Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million
[3:53:14] which would
[3:53:16] >> uh that would show back up in our
[3:53:19] general fund. Okay. Uh, I'm sorry.
[3:53:23] >> Sure. A1 Z3.
[3:53:28] » Oh,
[3:53:30] so it's just that one's kind of weird
[3:53:31] because it's like a reduction. Okay.
[3:53:33] Next line. Uh, A16.
[3:53:37] That's the cannabis tax. Um, based on
[3:53:41] the conversation here, um, I would, uh,
[3:53:44] feel comfortable, uh, adding 150,000 to
[3:53:47] that.
[3:53:50] Um,
[3:53:54] » you know what? Sorry. Well, you you said
[3:53:57] 2 million for the first one that you
[3:53:58] were talking about, right? I'm sorry.
[3:53:59] I'm losing track here.
[3:54:00] >> It's okay.
[3:54:01] >> For a 102, you're saying
[3:54:05] >> that we should we should reduce that
[3:54:08] number
[3:54:09] >> to 2 million.
[3:54:10] >> Okay. Thank you. Yep.
[3:54:11] >> I'm sorry.
[3:54:11] >> Which would be a net what would be a
[3:54:13] gain of 850,000.
[3:54:19] » That
[3:54:20] Okay, moving on to cannabis, which is
[3:54:22] A116.
[3:54:26] » I feel comfortable increasing based on
[3:54:28] the conversations here tonight. I I feel
[3:54:30] comfortable basing raising that $150,000
[3:54:37] » 50.
[3:54:40] >> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the
[3:54:43] fines parking. Um and so after the
[3:54:45] presentation
[3:54:47] um I now there's there's a caveat here
[3:54:51] because I think we need to understand I
[3:54:53] need to be clear on if
[3:54:56] um then that is already included in the
[3:54:59] existing budget or not. Um and if it is
[3:55:02] not then I then I $440,000
[3:55:07] based on the formula that's that's
[3:55:09] strictly based on the formula um that uh
[3:55:12] the chief uh talked to us about today.
[3:55:14] >> Um and if not then I would be uh looking
[3:55:17] to increase that 220,000.
[3:55:21] >> May I before you proceed? Mhm.
[3:55:23] >> If you look at the 2025
[3:55:26] estimates on the 26 26
[3:55:30] times parking
[3:55:33] >> 2025,
[3:55:34] >> what page are you on just
[3:55:35] >> page 11? Okay.
[3:55:39] » Page 11
[3:55:42] of our regular budget.
[3:55:42] >> So 2025 we're carrying 910.
[3:55:46] They roll the same number into 2026
[3:55:49] because they did not factor in the new
[3:55:51] program that they're doing.
[3:55:53] This is a new program they just started.
[3:55:55] >> Okay. So, so
[3:55:56] >> that's what my understanding is. So,
[3:55:58] >> sure.
[3:55:59] >> So, the 910 they expect to do the same
[3:56:02] 2025
[3:56:04] 910 into 2026. But because of this new
[3:56:07] program, it's increasing the revenue.
[3:56:09] >> Sure. So, so
[3:56:12] >> yeah, if you look at you look at two
[3:56:14] 2025 and 202. It's absolutely
[3:56:17] >> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.
[3:56:23] >> So I guess my only question then is they gave us
[3:56:28] see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based
[3:56:32] on the formula that you gave us that you
[3:56:35] that you've given as well. But they and
[3:56:38] they told us that that that
[3:56:44] um that that is what created this
[3:56:46] program that they're doing gave us the
[3:56:49] 220,000 to begin with. So if that's the
[3:56:53] case, then I would number I would wonder
[3:56:54] how where they would get that
[3:56:56] information from. You see what I'm
[3:56:57] saying? So in other words, they're
[3:56:58] saying that it's 910 910. But if they
[3:57:01] didn't include it,
[3:57:03] then they were just telling us numbers
[3:57:05] that only they know is what you're
[3:57:07] saying.
[3:57:07] >> That's correct. That's what the sheet
[3:57:09] is.
[3:57:09] >> Okay.
[3:57:10] >> They have an internal proposal of this
[3:57:12] is what they intend certainly to
[3:57:13] increase to increase revenue.
[3:57:15] >> Sir, so for my numbers, I would I would
[3:57:17] agree and based on the formula because
[3:57:19] that's the number I got to up to
[3:57:21] $440,000
[3:57:23] in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in
[3:57:29] half. So you think can just Sure. Keep
[3:57:32] me. So you're saying
[3:57:35] >> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that
[3:57:40] what you're saying?
[3:57:41] >> That's what you want to know.
[3:57:42] >> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be
[3:57:44] really clear as to
[3:57:46] if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.
[3:57:51] They're saying that this many um uh
[3:57:55] sessions equal $220,000,
[3:57:59] right?
[3:57:59] >> Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,
[3:58:02] that's correct, but that's not reflected
[3:58:04] in in in this existing budget. So, and
[3:58:08] he said, "So, let's double it, which
[3:58:10] would be
[3:58:11] >> which would be 440." However, if it is
[3:58:13] included, then I would say if we double
[3:58:16] it, then it would only then it would uh
[3:58:18] go to 220s, not to 440. So, so my
[3:58:21] contingency is if it's if it's there, if
[3:58:23] it's included and we double it, then add
[3:58:27] 220,000. If it's not included, then we
[3:58:30] double it, then add 440,000.
[3:58:32] >> So, do you
[3:58:35] has a different There's been
[3:58:37] >> I could send an email to the chief.
[3:58:38] Okay.
[3:58:39] >> And clarify.
[3:58:41] >> Sure.
[3:58:42] >> Go from there. Simple as
[3:58:44] >> Yeah. So, I just thought the easiest way
[3:58:46] to do it would just give my numbers in
[3:58:47] both case
[3:58:48] >> scenario. I think you're right.
[3:58:51] >> Sure.
[3:58:53] >> Okay. And so then I go um I'm just going
[3:58:57] to go where I'm different at now. Uh for
[3:59:01] our CBDG money. So my understanding is
[3:59:05] 200 200k. That's line A1621
[3:59:09] is where we'll be adding that money. So
[3:59:12] when I say adding, we would be adding
[3:59:14] this money to that line. Meaning that
[3:59:16] the money that's in the existing line
[3:59:18] now would go back to our general fund
[3:59:20] for 200,000.
[3:59:22] >> Okay. Are you saying are you
[3:59:24] regularizing? Are you
[3:59:25] >> That sounds like an expense, right?
[3:59:26] >> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be
[3:59:28] clear, um I'm talking about what Miss
[3:59:31] Barber presented with us.
[3:59:33] >> She presented us with uh 200 I believe
[3:59:36] it was $2,000 in one case.
[3:59:39] >> Huh?
[3:59:40] >> You said 2,000 for $200,000.
[3:59:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. You And then the next one
[3:59:44] cost $26,000. If if I'm correct,
[3:59:47] >> they were both 200 and 200.
[3:59:49] >> They both one was two
[3:59:52] >> 20.
[3:59:56] So So you give me your reading again
[3:59:58] down there.
[3:59:59] >> First one 2178
[4:00:01] was 22,000.
[4:00:03] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[4:00:03] >> And the second one a 217 C was 26,000.
[4:00:07] >> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So
[4:00:10] >> Okay.
[4:00:10] >> Sure. So, so what I'm s So I'm
[4:00:13] suggesting that so that would be I can't
[4:00:16] just we can't just add that to to
[4:00:19] revenue in order for us to access that
[4:00:21] fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000
[4:00:26] into line A1621
[4:00:30] and then the money that's existing in
[4:00:32] that would go back to our our general
[4:00:34] thous.
[4:00:36] It's not A16, but I think it would have
[4:00:38] to
[4:00:40] you have to put it into an
[4:00:41] >> expense.
[4:00:42] These revenue lines have announcer
[4:00:45] state.
[4:00:47] >> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the
[4:00:49] math cuz she said it had to be in this
[4:00:51] department in order for accesses, but
[4:00:52] that's more operational stuff. So, so I
[4:00:54] would just add those to the line.
[4:00:56] >> You just added to those 217.
[4:00:59] >> Yeah. So, so I would increase the
[4:01:02] revenue lines about 202,000. in one case
[4:01:04] and 206,000
[4:01:07] in and up. Right.
[4:01:08] >> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.
[4:01:11] >> Mhm.
[4:01:12] >> And 2170C, I think you're saying
[4:01:14] >> 206. That's correct.
[4:01:17] >> Okay. I just want to write that in my
[4:01:18] paper.
[4:01:24] » Going to move on to the next one.
[4:01:26] >> Yeah, please.
[4:01:26] >> Okay.
[4:01:28] Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a
[4:01:29] little bit. All right.
[4:01:32] Are you put together for us?
[4:01:34] >> I just I just
[4:01:41] I'm just using
[4:01:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a
[4:01:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done.
[4:01:49] Y
[4:01:50] >> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line
[4:01:53] A3089H
[4:01:55] the casino.
[4:01:57] >> Um
[4:01:58] >> Okay.
[4:02:00] I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.
[4:02:03] Turo and increasing that line. Um she
[4:02:07] had it at 500.
[4:02:09] Is you had that 500, right? I'm just
[4:02:11] saying two. I'm saying 200.
[4:02:13] >> Okay.
[4:02:14] >> Yeah.
[4:02:14] >> Please tell me the line again. I'm
[4:02:15] sorry.
[4:02:16] >> No, no, no. It's all right. It is
[4:02:18] A3089H.
[4:02:20] Right. Did I say that right?
[4:02:22] >> 3089H is 89H. Okay. Okay. You're saying
[4:02:26] what? And I'm saying increase that by
[4:02:28] 200,000.
[4:02:32] I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I
[4:02:34] can't quite get there. I
[4:02:35] >> I know. I know. I'm hopeful.
[4:02:37] >> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm
[4:02:39] going to go to uh the sales of houses.
[4:02:43] That is line A2660A.
[4:02:51] » Please.
[4:02:52] >> Okay. I'm I want to make sure
[4:02:53] everybody's there, man. All right. to
[4:02:55] >> we spend more time doing it and usually
[4:02:57] that just pops out of Oh, 2660.
[4:03:00] >> Yes. Okay. Got there. So, I'm I feel
[4:03:03] comfortable increasing that line.
[4:03:04] $500,000.
[4:03:08] » So, okay. 3,500.
[4:03:10] >> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.
[4:03:12] >> $500,000.
[4:03:14] Correct.
[4:03:18] or our
[4:03:20] mortgage tax increase.
[4:03:25] I I so this is I have a question mark
[4:03:27] here
[4:03:28] >> because I I want to get uh Mr. Min could
[4:03:31] you just give me a little bit your
[4:03:32] reasoning on that again.
[4:03:35] Okay, the
[4:03:37] is based on the trend that's happening
[4:03:39] in connectivity. We've seen the house price escalated over the last
[4:03:44] two years that the sale price is far
[4:03:47] higher than 3 years ago.
[4:03:49] >> Absolutely.
[4:03:49] >> So the mortgage is more higher.
[4:03:51] >> So in that case a municipality will
[4:03:54] generate more
[4:03:57] revenue mortgage tax revenue
[4:04:00] >> and [clears throat] that's how I'm
[4:04:00] factoring that.
[4:04:01] >> Sure. So, as the house price keep
[4:04:04] rising, the mortgage keep going up, the
[4:04:06] [clears throat] taxes keep going up for
[4:04:07] us.
[4:04:08] >> That's Yeah, that's what we discussed
[4:04:09] yesterday. Yes.
[4:04:11] >> Okay. And I was And now was the two
[4:04:13] properties that are um
[4:04:16] wrapping up soon. The two high value
[4:04:18] properties was that that wasn't
[4:04:20] attributed to that.
[4:04:21] >> That is two different
[4:04:22] >> that was sales because we talked about
[4:04:24] that,
[4:04:25] >> right? But we sure can. Yes. Two
[4:04:28] different house sales.
[4:04:29] >> Absolutely.
[4:04:31] >> Because of why my number went up that
[4:04:32] high.
[4:04:33] >> Oh, no. I know why.
[4:04:34] >> The mayor is looking at Okay, we have
[4:04:36] two big projects that you know happen.
[4:04:40] >> Mhm.
[4:04:40] >> Where that [clears throat] sort of is
[4:04:41] going to happen this year.
[4:04:42] >> So those two more likely roll over into
[4:04:45] next year
[4:04:46] >> and we're looking for high numbers
[4:04:47] there. So you have three million
[4:04:49] >> and they hope they're saying that okay
[4:04:50] it's going to happen this year. It's not
[4:04:52] going to happen. So that money needs to
[4:04:53] roll over into next year. So that's all
[4:04:55] factor 1.5 million.
[4:04:56] >> Yes. So
[4:04:57] >> it's going to happen next year
[4:04:58] >> and that based on
[4:04:59] >> because we only have two once more
[4:05:00] connected.
[4:05:01] >> I thought you said 1.4 million but
[4:05:02] you're saying 1.5 million.
[4:05:04] >> Yes. 1.5 million.
[4:05:06] So, so for that line, I just wanted to
[4:05:08] make sure that that um so for that line
[4:05:10] based on what uh Miss Carver was saying
[4:05:12] and I and you know, I figured those two
[4:05:14] property sales going through can uh make
[4:05:18] a huge difference, but being that we're
[4:05:19] not exactly sure where they were fall, I
[4:05:21] just felt a little I went a little more
[4:05:22] conservative at 500,000 on that one.
[4:05:25] >> So, so instead of 9508
[4:05:28] Yeah, I just wanted to reference that.
[4:05:30] So, no, that I did something confusing.
[4:05:32] That's fine.
[4:05:32] >> So, go back to your mortgage.
[4:05:33] >> Okay. So, so
[4:05:35] yeah. So, uh, so for a mortgage tax, um,
[4:05:38] I felt comfortable increasing that
[4:05:40] $200,000.
[4:05:43] >> So, that would be, uh, 1
[4:05:48] >> A30005.
[4:05:49] Yes. $200,000.
[4:05:53] >> So, that would be 1.2.
[4:05:57] Right.
[4:06:08] And oh, bus patrol.
[4:06:14] Let make sure I got that line right.
[4:06:17] >> That's That's A2610B,
[4:06:20] right? And
[4:06:22] >> and like Nancy part. Yeah. So,
[4:06:27] being that there's uh $600,000
[4:06:30] out there, I was I felt comfortable um
[4:06:33] in saying agreeing like if we could
[4:06:36] collect a third of that, I'm pretty
[4:06:37] confident that just a third of that
[4:06:39] would get us to $200,000. So, that's
[4:06:41] where I was at on that line.
[4:06:44] Increased of $200,000 to 600 le just
[4:06:48] being successful collecting a third of
[4:06:51] that.
[4:06:53] >> Yeah. very conservative.
[4:06:54] >> Huh?
[4:06:55] >> We're very conservative.
[4:06:58] » I say you have money.
[4:07:02] » Okay. I say you want her. All right. And
[4:07:05] um so and the last thing uh as far as
[4:07:13] our golf
[4:07:15] listen, I was faster than all of y'all
[4:07:17] by the way. Just so you know. I'm like
[4:07:19] going record time compared to her album.
[4:07:21] So
[4:07:21] >> no more.
[4:07:22] >> Okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All
[4:07:24] right. Didn't All right. So, so uh the
[4:07:28] so our golf our golf reserve which is
[4:07:31] CR9950
[4:07:33] for the golf reserve there. Could you
[4:07:35] help me understand that again? Because I
[4:07:36] want to make sure that I'm understanding
[4:07:39] that because what I see is I was
[4:07:42] suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into
[4:07:48] the the capital fund but for the golf
[4:07:52] course particularly that's how I
[4:07:53] understand that.
[4:07:55] I'm looking at revenue I believe.
[4:08:00] » Are you looking at the transfer from
[4:08:03] >> have to do is there have to some
[4:08:04] increase the golf fun
[4:08:09] which they usually um capital and then
[4:08:14] Chris in January. So they have to figure
[4:08:17] out what's $150,000 increase and you go
[4:08:20] to your expense line that transfers to
[4:08:23] the trans
[4:08:25] by 150.
[4:08:26] >> Mhm. [clears throat] So yeah, cuz cuz
[4:08:29] right now it says let me see where
[4:08:32] >> Let me make sure I'm I'm in the right
[4:08:33] place here. [clears throat]
[4:08:36] >> Trying to find it.
[4:08:37] >> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.
[4:08:38] So
[4:08:39] >> that has the golf
[4:08:45] under.
[4:08:47] >> Yeah. Page 90 is the transfers for golf.
[4:08:50] >> Right. So if you look at the bottom of page 90
[4:08:57] >> right where it says I'm looking at
[4:09:01] >> transfer to capital fund.
[4:09:04] >> So in 2023 it was 213,000. It would be the uh general fund looking
[4:09:11] for youth.
[4:09:12] >> No no no no no use is covered.
[4:09:14] >> You're maybe
[4:09:17] CR990191
[4:09:20] general fun.
[4:09:23] >> Yes. Yes it is. Yes it is. So listen. So
[4:09:26] let me follow my train of thought if you
[4:09:28] care for a second. So what I'm saying is
[4:09:30] that
[4:09:32] on line CR9950498
[4:09:37] that says transfer to capital fund. Now
[4:09:40] when it when we say transfer to capital
[4:09:42] fund that's transfer to the golf course
[4:09:45] capital fund correct or is that the city
[4:09:47] that
[4:09:47] >> that goes into the office? So it's the
[4:09:49] reserves
[4:09:50] >> the reserves for
[4:09:52] >> for the golf course
[4:09:55] you
[4:09:55] >> overall overall.
[4:09:57] >> It's not just for the golf course. Yes.
[4:09:59] It's just for the golf course,
[4:10:00] >> right? It's just for the golf course.
[4:10:02] >> We can't use We can't use capital money
[4:10:04] for youth.
[4:10:05] >> No, no, no. Yes, we can. No, no, no.
[4:10:06] You're not what I'm saying. So, no, no.
[4:10:08] What this how I understand it that there
[4:10:11] is a reserve fund or a a capital fund.
[4:10:14] So, in other words, a portion of
[4:10:16] revenues that the golf course makes,
[4:10:19] they take that money and put it into a
[4:10:21] line for their only their specific
[4:10:23] capital fund. Correct. So, so we
[4:10:26] >> can access that money.
[4:10:28] >> Sure.
[4:10:29] >> The reason why we can't use other
[4:10:30] capital fund money is because we borrow
[4:10:32] that money to do capital projects.
[4:10:35] >> This is money that's coming into the
[4:10:37] city that is earmarked for the golf
[4:10:38] courses capital fund.
[4:10:40] >> So, what capital fund would you do with
[4:10:42] that money?
[4:10:43] >> So, what I'm suggesting is that if we if
[4:10:46] we look at it in two in in 2023 it was
[4:10:49] 213,000
[4:10:51] 2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying
[4:10:54] that 150,000 that I think that that's a
[4:10:59] fair
[4:11:01] >> but it's capital.
[4:11:02] >> No, you're No, you're No, you're wrong.
[4:11:05] >> No, you're it's not.
[4:11:07] >> I hear you. It's general fund money, but
[4:11:09] it's capital fun. No, it's not. It
[4:11:10] doesn't become capital until they spend
[4:11:12] it on their own.
[4:11:13] >> It's not. So what they're doing,
[4:11:17] please finish. Let please. So, so I, so
[4:11:22] I think the fact that mayor, I think the
[4:11:24] fact that it says transfer to capital
[4:11:26] fund is kind of what might be throwing
[4:11:28] you off.
[4:11:28] >> It's not throwing it off at all because
[4:11:29] I see the transfer to the general fund.
[4:11:31] >> Exactly. That's right.
[4:11:32] >> From the Gulf, right? That's from Gul.
[4:11:34] >> Okay. All right. So, all right. Is it
[4:11:35] not?
[4:11:35] >> Yes, it is. So, so listen to what I'm
[4:11:38] saying. I'm going to use a hypothetical
[4:11:40] number here just so the math is a lot
[4:11:42] easier. Okay. Say the Say that the golf
[4:11:45] course makes $200,000 in revenue.
[4:11:50] $100,000 of that revenue goes into our
[4:11:53] general fund is what is is the line
[4:11:55] you're talking about.
[4:11:57] >> Then the golf course takes another the
[4:11:59] other $100,000 and transfer that into
[4:12:02] their own capital of the fund
[4:12:05] >> which actually could be money that goes
[4:12:08] into the general fund. This is not
[4:12:12] >> Are you follow You see what I'm saying
[4:12:13] now?
[4:12:14] >> Yeah. That's what's happens right there.
[4:12:18] I have I have a question for the
[4:12:19] commissioner because
[4:12:21] >> historically the c the golf fund has
[4:12:24] always been for lack of a better term a
[4:12:26] lock box. It goes way back because you
[4:12:29] know of improvements that needed to be
[4:12:32] done they weren't done and they wanted
[4:12:33] to create a dedicated funding stream so
[4:12:36] [clears throat]
[4:12:38] any you know the fees of the golf course
[4:12:40] would be generated to deal with golf
[4:12:42] course improvements and maintenance.
[4:12:44] >> Yes. Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is
[4:12:48] the golf fund transferring money to the
[4:12:50] general fund?
[4:12:52] >> And every year, every year there's a
[4:12:55] certain amount that we transfer over to
[4:12:57] the golf to the general store um to see
[4:13:01] the budget.
[4:13:03] >> A certain amount of capital fund money
[4:13:05] so we don't end up borrowing for capital
[4:13:09] projects that
[4:13:11] we mark a certain amount. So we don't
[4:13:14] suggest dipping into that.
[4:13:16] >> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the
[4:13:19] restrictions when we when we're talking
[4:13:21] about capital money in any other place
[4:13:23] in this budget, those are funds that we
[4:13:26] cannot that we have very tight
[4:13:28] restrictions that we have,
[4:13:31] right? That's law. This capital money is
[4:13:37] only capital money because we're calling
[4:13:39] it capital money, but it really could go
[4:13:41] into the general fund.
[4:13:43] right or wrong. Can I ask a question
[4:13:45] because my understanding has always been
[4:13:48] for all the years that I've been on
[4:13:49] doing this that that is what we're doing
[4:13:53] on page
[4:13:56] >> 90
[4:14:04] more about this than I think anyone
[4:14:07] he just
[4:14:08] >> I just have one question that's all
[4:14:10] >> I just want to ask this one question
[4:14:13] because But
[4:14:14] >> I thought if you look at page 90
[4:14:17] >> I am
[4:14:18] >> I thought that the transfer to the
[4:14:20] general fund, the transfer to the water
[4:14:21] fund and the transfer to the sewer fund
[4:14:23] is coming from golf fund.
[4:14:25] >> It is.
[4:14:26] >> Yes. So we already are taking the golf
[4:14:28] money and putting it into those three
[4:14:31] funds. And if you look also we're not
[4:14:33] taking any money and putting it into a
[4:14:35] capital fund for this year. Go ahead.
[4:14:38] >> No, it just because we don't know we are
[4:14:40] going to take money put into a capital
[4:14:41] fund.
[4:14:41] >> Well, because we don't have the funding.
[4:14:42] just don't have the money.
[4:14:44] >> They don't know if we're going to have a
[4:14:46] surplus,
[4:14:46] >> right?
[4:14:47] >> That's right.
[4:14:49] That's why you see a budget amount of
[4:14:52] adopted for 2021.
[4:14:53] >> Correct.
[4:14:56] Commissioner, the transfer to the water
[4:14:58] and sewer fund is because the facility
[4:15:01] uses water for sewer. Correct. So
[4:15:03] therefore, it's representing the pay as
[4:15:05] you go.
[4:15:08] So that's what comes you're getting
[4:15:09] those transfers not just for bookkeeping
[4:15:12] purposes. It's representing the use.
[4:15:15] >> Correct.
[4:15:15] >> So the capital fund transfer is the
[4:15:19] money that will be used for capital
[4:15:22] project
[4:15:24] at at the golf course.
[4:15:25] >> Yes.
[4:15:26] >> So that is that money has been generated
[4:15:29] from the fees of of golfers. Right.
[4:15:33] >> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping
[4:15:36] with the lockbox mentality, why the very
[4:15:38] fact that we have a separate line items
[4:15:41] for the golf
[4:15:42] >> has to be kept separate. Is that is that
[4:15:44] >> No, it does not happen.
[4:15:45] >> Is that from No,
[4:15:47] >> from my understanding through years past
[4:15:49] that's how it's always been done.
[4:15:51] >> I'm not asking how it's always been
[4:15:52] done. I'm asking is that do we are we
[4:15:54] legally obligated to do it that way?
[4:15:56] >> And I you know have to I don't have to I
[4:15:59] can't even answer right now. I have to
[4:16:01] look at
[4:16:02] >> He wants to talk.
[4:16:03] >> Yeah. I'm going to have to take a look.
[4:16:04] You know, it's the gospel and what
[4:16:07] created it was very it's in our code. I
[4:16:11] think the commissioner got
[4:16:14] but the idea is it was a lock box for
[4:16:17] capital improvements because it was
[4:16:20] under the the golf course force was
[4:16:22] going in a certain negative direction
[4:16:26] and that that was way the council at the
[4:16:28] time wanted to go and create a fund for
[4:16:31] separate from the general fund. So, can
[4:16:34] I ask one question about the more you're
[4:16:35] trying to get? Is there a reason that
[4:16:37] you wouldn't look at the transfer to the
[4:16:39] general fund for that money?
[4:16:41] >> Because the transfer to the general fund
[4:16:43] for that money is already in the general
[4:16:45] fund. Sorry, there
[4:16:47] >> he's looking for more money.
[4:16:49] >> So, in other words, of course, I
[4:16:52] >> No, no, I know not.
[4:16:53] >> We all are, right? Don't we just do that
[4:16:55] or am I missing something? We all said
[4:16:58] move. But, Right. So, that's what I'm
[4:16:59] doing. and then have the golf course
[4:17:01] borrow the capital instead of funding
[4:17:04] their own
[4:17:04] >> if or No, no, no. I understand what
[4:17:06] you're saying. Or
[4:17:07] >> but that's what you're getting at.
[4:17:08] >> Or or maybe 76,000 more.
[4:17:11] >> Or maybe we just recognize that we just
[4:17:13] invested $3 million of ARPA fund into
[4:17:16] the golf course just last year. And
[4:17:18] recognizing that we put three $3 million
[4:17:21] into the golf course fund that there is
[4:17:24] no lockbox fund. We're calling this
[4:17:27] capital funds, but these but these funds
[4:17:29] are not under the same restrictions that
[4:17:31] other capital funds are because we're
[4:17:33] borrowing capital funds for capital
[4:17:35] projects. This is city revenue that that
[4:17:38] we're holding aside for capital projects
[4:17:41] uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm
[4:17:44] saying that we just put $3 million in
[4:17:46] the golf course and this is not the year
[4:17:47] to be doing that.
[4:17:50] >> I understand Mr. I think I think I think
[4:17:52] [clears throat] the description needs to
[4:17:53] be changed because that is revenue that
[4:17:55] is coming in from the Gulf Coast.
[4:17:57] >> Thank you.
[4:17:57] >> And they're trying to hold that money.
[4:17:59] The surplus is being used to help with
[4:18:04] projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's
[4:18:06] revenue.
[4:18:08] >> Exactly.
[4:18:09] >> Like back out expenditure surplus. They
[4:18:12] hold it in there for future project.
[4:18:15] >> That is not capital. It should be
[4:18:16] capital project. It's for capital
[4:18:18] project. But it's not capital.
[4:18:20] >> But it's not capital money. Exactly.
[4:18:22] >> So let's So that description needs to be
[4:18:25] changed.
[4:18:25] >> Well, they they they've been using it
[4:18:27] for capital. What I'm saying the same
[4:18:30] way that Mr. Williams is suggesting that
[4:18:31] we're not borrowing all of this money
[4:18:34] for capital projects in other places
[4:18:36] because that's going to impact the city.
[4:18:38] What I'm saying is that this is a fund
[4:18:41] that has been called something and
[4:18:45] operating something other than what I
[4:18:48] believe it is to Mr. Mood very
[4:18:50] importance. But I'm saying that this is
[4:18:51] money that's accessible to us. We and
[4:18:54] being that I don't think that that's a
[4:18:55] tall order. We just it is. Absolutely it
[4:18:58] is.
[4:18:58] >> But we're not going to use it. We're not
[4:19:00] touching it.
[4:19:00] >> Well, I think we should.
[4:19:02] >> I just And you got to stay away from
[4:19:04] giving them 3 million because we handed
[4:19:06] out a lot of ARPA money. But no, I'm not
[4:19:08] talking about anything back from people.
[4:19:10] >> Of course we are. The whole point of us
[4:19:12] investing into the golf golf course.
[4:19:14] >> Well, to increase revenue
[4:19:17] so we get right. So when we need revenue
[4:19:19] >> back into the
[4:19:22] So are we are we are we not going to
[4:19:24] talk about each other?
[4:19:25] >> No. No. So I raise my hand. Please
[4:19:29] hold on. Finish off your finish off your
[4:19:31] presentation, please. Please. You
[4:19:34] finished?
[4:19:35] >> I'm done.
[4:19:37] No, but you had
[4:19:39] >> Can I just add something to your
[4:19:40] presentation?
[4:19:41] >> Sure. I'm
[4:19:42] >> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,
[4:19:44] he was and we were he was talking about
[4:19:46] different ways. He came up with a
[4:19:48] scenario where they would do uh any bank
[4:19:50] or something to raise that extra money,
[4:19:51] charge people whatever is a whole
[4:19:54] >> or how sporet
[4:19:58] have that money definitely dedicated to
[4:20:01] the service program. So I just want to
[4:20:03] just bring that back to the
[4:20:05] conversation. Sure. There was he did
[4:20:07] introduce a possibility of a way to get
[4:20:09] done what you're trying to get done,
[4:20:11] which is I guess another 150, right?
[4:20:13] >> No, I'm not. No, I'm not. What I'm
[4:20:15] trying to what I'm trying to increase
[4:20:17] revenues. What I'm saying is that we
[4:20:19] found the money for the youth program.
[4:20:21] We still have to find money well for
[4:20:23] multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the
[4:20:27] general fund can support the senior
[4:20:29] program and the rest of the money can go
[4:20:32] back into the general fund to support
[4:20:35] other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we
[4:20:41] did invest $3 million into the into the
[4:20:44] golf course is because it's supposed to
[4:20:47] generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that
[4:20:52] is all is being earmarked for things and
[4:20:56] it's acting like it's restricted in this
[4:20:58] lock box. But there is no lock box for
[4:21:00] this money. This is city money and we
[4:21:01] should have access to it and put it into
[4:21:03] our budget as we see fit.
[4:21:04] >> It is not restricted.
[4:21:06] >> This is not guaranteed though. That's
[4:21:08] why it's not
[4:21:09] >> my my number of account.
[4:21:11] >> Sure. my my number 150,000 is based on
[4:21:14] the last two years of reporting where
[4:21:16] one was 213 213,000 and then last year
[4:21:19] was 160,000. So that's how I justify my
[4:21:22] 150,000.
[4:21:23] >> What what they've been is doing over the
[4:21:25] year is the surplus. They hold on to the
[4:21:27] surplus to help with their project
[4:21:28] within the golf course. So it's more of
[4:21:31] money there to kind of like carry them
[4:21:32] on into doing different projects. Yeah.
[4:21:35] But um
[4:21:36] >> I know what they
[4:21:37] >> It's uh it can be used for any other
[4:21:39] purpose,
[4:21:40] >> right? That's what I'm saying.
[4:21:42] >> Mr. Farley is saying
[4:21:43] >> and what I'm saying
[4:21:44] >> and I'm saying being that we are
[4:21:46] >> correct. Being that we just invested $3
[4:21:48] million in that
[4:21:49] >> into that golf course, $150,000 coming
[4:21:52] back into city revenue should not be a
[4:21:54] problem. All right, I'm done.
[4:21:56] >> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.
[4:22:00] The reason we put $3 million into the
[4:22:03] golf course was because
[4:22:06] the golf course is one of the true
[4:22:09] revenue drivers. It makes money. Every
[4:22:12] year we increase the fees that we charge
[4:22:15] to people who come and use the golf
[4:22:17] course. And I also want to always say
[4:22:19] I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf
[4:22:21] course, but I am chair of help and
[4:22:22] recreation. So, I do look at all the
[4:22:25] parks and the golf course in my work as
[4:22:29] a city council person. So, what I've
[4:22:31] learned over the years, it is a revenue
[4:22:33] driver. If I just want to remind you, if
[4:22:37] we didn't put that revenue back into the
[4:22:40] golf course, we would have to find that
[4:22:43] we would have to find money to pay the
[4:22:45] expenses for all the maintenance and
[4:22:48] improvements to the golf course every
[4:22:49] year. So the golf course is
[4:22:51] self-generating
[4:22:53] what it then uses to maintain its golf
[4:22:57] course. Our golf course is widely
[4:23:00] recognized throughout the capital region
[4:23:03] from people who are members of like
[4:23:05] private clubs where they play a zillion
[4:23:07] dollars to be in these private clubs as
[4:23:09] one of the jewels of the city of
[4:23:11] Skenctity. We're we're were recognized
[4:23:14] because of things like Central Park and
[4:23:16] how fabulous all the options at Central
[4:23:18] Park are. how fabulous our golf course
[4:23:21] is. So, I would argue against using golf
[4:23:24] money for anything but the continued
[4:23:27] maintenance and improvements of the golf
[4:23:29] course and the $3 million in ARPA
[4:23:31] funding that we used. I just want to
[4:23:34] remind everybody that for years we've
[4:23:37] had a manual system where they literally
[4:23:40] had to go around and turn spiggots in
[4:23:44] order to irrigate the golf course when
[4:23:48] the $3 million paid for a
[4:23:51] state-of-the-art irrigation system that
[4:23:54] now, like many things in our lives, can
[4:23:56] be controlled even by a phone um to
[4:23:59] irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd
[4:24:01] have staffing. You'd have all sorts of
[4:24:04] other things that you would have to do
[4:24:05] in order to maintain the pristine nature
[4:24:08] of the golf course for which we also
[4:24:10] charge residents and non-residents to
[4:24:13] play golf. Um, so I would not touch and
[4:24:17] we already use money for other unless
[4:24:21] I'm reading this wrong or have been
[4:24:22] reading it wrong for five and a half
[4:24:24] years. Um, we use money from the golf
[4:24:28] course into other funds.
[4:24:30] >> Yeah. But you're you are reading it
[4:24:31] wrong because we use money for the other funds.
[4:24:35] >> Because we using water, right? So
[4:24:38] >> as Mr. Can we allow one to talk,
[4:24:41] [clears throat] please?
[4:24:42] >> Yes, I was finishing my
[4:24:44] >> I thought she was responding to me. So I
[4:24:46] was responding to her. Sorry,
[4:24:49] >> before before you um cooperation
[4:24:52] council, let me let [clears throat] me
[4:24:55] go back into the into the golf and
[4:24:59] you're saying that um the golf course is
[4:25:03] generating revenue.
[4:25:06] The golf course is generating enough
[4:25:09] revenue to sustain themselves.
[4:25:12] >> I said
[4:25:12] >> they're not generating revenue to bring
[4:25:14] into the general fund.
[4:25:15] >> I I think I said that.
[4:25:16] >> No, no.
[4:25:18] self was self- sustaining.
[4:25:20] >> So they are not they are not the what
[4:25:22] we're trying to say okay we generate
[4:25:24] millions of dollars in revenue and we're
[4:25:26] putting it in the BMR fund they are
[4:25:28] generating enough money to keep them
[4:25:30] afloat.
[4:25:32] >> Yes.
[4:25:33] >> I was wrong with my last
[4:25:34] >> so I Yes. So I want to clarify that
[4:25:36] because if you look at the revenue
[4:25:37] there's nothing else coming into the
[4:25:39] general fund to say that we make 2002
[4:25:42] [clears throat] $200,000 $300,000 and
[4:25:44] we're putting that into general fund and
[4:25:46] then we can say oh there's a surplus and
[4:25:48] here goes general fund take this
[4:25:50] $250,000.
[4:25:52] This course is sustaining itself based
[4:25:56] on expenditure and revenue. whatever
[4:25:59] surplus they receive get every year
[4:26:02] remain to that department to help them
[4:26:04] with projects. So they they break they
[4:26:06] break even on this project on this golf
[4:26:08] course,
[4:26:09] >> right?
[4:26:09] >> So there's no excessive revenue. So when
[4:26:12] we use the term that they're generating
[4:26:14] revenue, they're generating revenue from
[4:26:17] being paid themselves.
[4:26:18] >> Okay,
[4:26:18] >> I want to clarify that because that
[4:26:20] perception out there that all the golf
[4:26:22] course are bringing in millions of
[4:26:23] dollars and
[4:26:24] >> they are bringing in money to help
[4:26:25] themselves
[4:26:26] >> and the money that I'm talking about
[4:26:29] The money that I'm ident that I have
[4:26:31] identified isn't even money to keep them
[4:26:33] up and running. That's money that they
[4:26:35] use for future capital projects. And I'm
[4:26:37] saying in in the budget that we're
[4:26:39] facing after investing $3 million,
[4:26:41] that's money that can be put to better
[4:26:43] use to them. and Mr.
[4:26:45] We're gonna have to uh we I mean the
[4:26:48] finance department in legal are going to
[4:26:50] have to see whether that's legally poss
[4:26:53] legally possible for you know pursuing
[4:26:55] to the code and uh as well as how that
[4:26:58] fund was created fiscally.
[4:27:00] >> Yes, please.
[4:27:04] >> Um so Mr.
[4:27:06] >> Yes, please. And and so I agree with
[4:27:08] that because part of the reason that
[4:27:10] you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um
[4:27:13] I don't know the in this particular
[4:27:16] legislation, but the reason they're
[4:27:17] broken out in the budget in the um
[4:27:20] budget like that is they're supposed to
[4:27:21] be able to sustain yourself. So you're
[4:27:23] supposed to whatever you take in is what
[4:27:25] you need to pay out to do that. So, I
[4:27:27] don't know the um the or the um
[4:27:31] ordinance that was made to promote golf
[4:27:33] fund, but it may speak specifically to
[4:27:35] that to say that. So, that's what
[4:27:37] they're going to look to. And that's why
[4:27:39] which is also why I'm just throwing in
[4:27:41] here now. We should really be doing the
[4:27:42] same with waste because we're only
[4:27:44] supposed to expend waste what we pay in.
[4:27:46] So, that is why that is like that. So,
[4:27:48] there may be there may be um the
[4:27:52] organizing document for for the golf
[4:27:54] course that says we can't do that. I
[4:27:56] think we have to look at it and make
[4:27:58] sure
[4:27:59] >> that's why the partnership council is
[4:28:00] making a recommendation they will look
[4:28:02] into it and get back to us in terms of
[4:28:04] can we do this
[4:28:05] >> can we not do it
[4:28:06] >> but I guess my point is that if there's
[4:28:09] think if there's documents saying that
[4:28:12] we can't do that we can certainly
[4:28:15] overturn that and do that as this
[4:28:17] council is what I'm saying that's within
[4:28:19] our perview to do that
[4:28:22] >> I don't know the answer to that I do
[4:28:24] this. Yes.
[4:28:29] » I'm not I'm not gonna be
[4:28:32] >> limitations. We can't do that.
[4:28:35] >> This
[4:28:36] >> Yes, absolutely.
[4:28:36] >> No, no. Take appearance. It takes all
[4:28:40] that stuff.
[4:28:40] >> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have
[4:28:44] for the best?
[4:28:45] >> I'm I'm I'm just going to do revenue.
[4:28:48] >> Yeah, I'm done with revenue. That's it.
[4:28:51] Uh
[4:28:52] please um the email from uh Oh, I did
[4:28:56] email my expenditure stuff. I just
[4:28:58] >> Oh, so thank you.
[4:29:00] >> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I
[4:29:02] didn't to respect time. I didn't want to
[4:29:04] so we I'll just be really quick and I
[4:29:06] said that I was saying that we should do
[4:29:07] a 3% raise across for all management. Um
[4:29:14] and we should not have any uh stipens.
[4:29:18] And I think that we should have uh a
[4:29:20] free a citywide $10,000 pot of money for
[4:29:23] people when they are in at our most um
[4:29:26] extreme circumstances where they have to
[4:29:28] stay late or come in that that money
[4:29:31] should be drawn out of that $10,000
[4:29:33] pocket and that should be for um
[4:29:36] essentially citywide. Everyone else
[4:29:38] that's non-contractual needs to you know
[4:29:40] kind of manage their manage their time
[4:29:42] and flex their time. Um but I don't
[4:29:44] agree with not giving any raises which
[4:29:46] why I'm saying. I think the fairest
[4:29:48] thing to do would be a 3% flat raise
[4:29:51] because that's really to stay afront of
[4:29:53] inflation and the way things are going
[4:29:55] right now if we don't do that it
[4:29:57] wouldn't be it would almost be like a
[4:29:59] pay reduction because of the where
[4:30:01] inflation is right now that 3% is is
[4:30:04] the three things you have there can you
[4:30:06] please go one by one a little um so they
[4:30:08] capture you talked about um um typing
[4:30:13] >> yes so what so in email what I said is
[4:30:15] that we have So if you look through this
[4:30:18] didn't need an exact budget line because
[4:30:20] it's across departments that and there's
[4:30:23] different raises where there's 8% 12%
[4:30:26] for varying reasons that we all heard.
[4:30:28] >> What I'm saying is that non-contractual
[4:30:30] meaning that we are not contractually
[4:30:32] obligated to give anyone more than 3%.
[4:30:35] Then everyone across should get a 3%
[4:30:38] raise. Um so everyone gets you know the
[4:30:41] same thing that's that we're that we're
[4:30:44] allowed to do and And
[4:30:48] so that should uh increase uh uh revenue
[4:30:51] right there and as well that should uh
[4:30:54] decrease expenditures I should say.
[4:30:57] >> And also um the stipens and out of grade
[4:31:01] paid anything that's non-contractual I
[4:31:03] think needs to come back in as well.
[4:31:06] >> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure
[4:31:07] we capture that. So you want to have a
[4:31:08] stipen if it's not contractual you want
[4:31:10] to remove.
[4:31:11] >> Yes. and then had a single which I was
[4:31:15] >> two there two stipens I think
[4:31:16] >> and like out agreed pick anything that's
[4:31:18] like a stipen or you're going to be here
[4:31:21] later I think that
[4:31:22] >> when I was looking through the budget
[4:31:23] they're I I know that they're not the
[4:31:25] exact same thing but they're but they're
[4:31:27] described
[4:31:28] >> differently but I think they're
[4:31:29] relatively similar
[4:31:31] >> and then you're asking to create a a
[4:31:33] >> a single single line for
[4:31:36] >> maybe 10,000 and yeah for the for the
[4:31:39] and maybe it needs to be a little more
[4:31:40] than that but just for those people who
[4:31:42] are like this is an absolute emergency.
[4:31:44] You have to come in here to save the
[4:31:46] city. So you put your cape on at 2
[4:31:48] o'clock in the morning. Yeah, we need to
[4:31:50] have some money there for that. But it
[4:31:51] should only happen in those very extreme
[4:31:52] certain.
[4:31:53] >> I want to make sure you know that
[4:31:54] everything is captured.
[4:31:55] >> I appreciate that.
[4:31:56] >> Documented into our into our proposal
[4:31:59] for
[4:32:01] when it comes to out of pay um and
[4:32:04] people have job descriptions and they do
[4:32:06] things outside of their pay outside of
[4:32:09] their job description. Don't we have
[4:32:10] that side?
[4:32:12] >> Yeah. How do we pay for that when
[4:32:14] they're doing things
[4:32:17] paying
[4:32:20] >> that's contractual right?
[4:32:21] >> That's for you know satire pay is for
[4:32:24] you know for contract employee I mean
[4:32:27] >> you know the the unionize employees you
[4:32:31] know they have certain job functions
[4:32:32] assigned to their title. They're asked
[4:32:34] to perform they can they can perform
[4:32:37] those functions but by the same token
[4:32:39] they can file the grief and ask to be
[4:32:41] compensated for the add is duties
[4:32:42] [clears throat] that they're doing with
[4:32:44] their
[4:32:45] and and that's contractual employees
[4:32:48] correctly
[4:32:49] >> right that's what I said what I mean
[4:32:51] when you mean contractually meaning the
[4:32:53] CSA
[4:32:56] those unioniz employees yes if there's
[4:33:00] always if they're being asked to go
[4:33:02] outside to do work um and they have to
[4:33:05] be compensated
[4:33:07] >> as that side of work or there's a
[4:33:08] grievance and
[4:33:10] >> um so
[4:33:11] >> as they should and that's in their
[4:33:13] contract is what I'm saying. Yes.
[4:33:14] >> So, so this would not uh talk about
[4:33:17] anything that's in their contract. I
[4:33:19] understand that we have to work within
[4:33:20] the parameters of the contract.
[4:33:21] >> So, I mean what you're looking for is is
[4:33:24] management
[4:33:26] outside of the contractual agreement.
[4:33:29] >> Yes. I said you asking to
[4:33:33] >> I refer to them as non-contractual staff
[4:33:35] and I'm saying outside of the agreement
[4:33:37] employees instead of having these
[4:33:40] stipens they would discuss you to have
[4:33:43] just this pool of money as stipen
[4:33:47] for for
[4:33:49] [snorts]
[4:33:51] hours beyond what their regular work
[4:33:53] hours are. I mean that you know
[4:33:55] >> so be mindful that you don't get into a
[4:33:57] position [clears throat] where it's just
[4:33:59] a undefined amount of money and needs to
[4:34:02] pay you know pay certain individuals and
[4:34:06] not pay other individuals
[4:34:07] >> you know has to be parameters and how
[4:34:10] it's
[4:34:12] >> so yeah so so to be really clear what
[4:34:15] I'm saying is this is that if you go
[4:34:16] through the budget and you go to certain
[4:34:18] departments you have and again let's
[4:34:20] exclude our union workers okay we're not
[4:34:23] talking about them. That's why I put
[4:34:24] that language in in the email. What what
[4:34:27] you have is that uh manager in this
[4:34:29] department
[4:34:31] um of 8% raise manager over here 12%
[4:34:37] raise and then a whole bunch of 3%
[4:34:39] raises and then an 8% raise. I
[4:34:42] completely understand why it's
[4:34:43] happening. I understand and heard the
[4:34:45] reasons why it's going like that. What
[4:34:47] I'm saying is that in this situation
[4:34:48] that we're that we're in, give everyone
[4:34:50] the flat 3% raise to make sure that we
[4:34:53] uh are accounting for their uh inflation
[4:34:56] and cost of living rise. And you also
[4:34:59] have a stipen in this department for
[4:35:02] 10,000 8,000 over here for this
[4:35:05] department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to
[4:35:09] the very extreme situations where we
[4:35:12] need people and we could talk about what
[4:35:14] that number is. And I think that we have
[4:35:15] a one line for that because we have some
[4:35:18] departments that have statements for
[4:35:20] $8,000. Some departments that have no
[4:35:22] statements, some managers requesting a
[4:35:24] 12% raise, some managers uh requesting a
[4:35:27] 3% raise. So, so what I'm saying
[4:35:30] instead, and I know Mr. Mudam was
[4:35:31] saying, you know, no raises right now,
[4:35:34] you know, based on the situation we're
[4:35:36] in, and I understand his logic. I'm
[4:35:38] saying that I'm willing to say we need
[4:35:40] to give people a raise so quickly so
[4:35:42] they can have their their in cost of
[4:35:45] living increased rates but that's it.
[4:35:46] >> Just for some input reason why somebody
[4:35:49] disagree with or increase their certain
[4:35:51] percentage because there's union members
[4:35:53] that are making more than
[4:35:54] >> I understand. No individuals probably
[4:35:57] not going to stay with the city member
[4:36:00] underneath them is making more. I I I
[4:36:02] understand that. Um, but [clears throat]
[4:36:04] this is what we this is what's in our
[4:36:07] private right now. If I could have go
[4:36:10] into union negotiations and do it, then
[4:36:12] maybe but this right now we're not
[4:36:14] working with that. That's why when we
[4:36:16] always identify, oh, why is this person
[4:36:18] getting that? They say, "Oh, it's
[4:36:19] contractual." We go, "Okay, moving on."
[4:36:21] Because we understand that that right
[4:36:22] now is not within our permit. That's
[4:36:24] been a negotiated contract. We can't go
[4:36:26] back in and do that. What I'm saying is
[4:36:28] that instead of saying no one gets a
[4:36:30] raise, everyone gets the same raise at
[4:36:32] 3% due to the place that we're in.
[4:36:35] That's what I'm saying.
[4:36:39] Would that be at the discretion of the
[4:36:40] mayor? How it's distributed?
[4:36:44] >> 3% raise across.
[4:36:45] >> No, no, no. I'm talking about the
[4:36:47] 10,000, you know, the pool of money. How
[4:36:49] would that been distributed?
[4:36:50] >> Well, I think that there's going to
[4:36:51] there's there's some variables there. I
[4:36:52] said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be
[4:36:54] more, right? And maybe the mayor can and
[4:36:56] the mayor maybe the mayor works with us
[4:36:58] and say well this position
[4:37:01] you know is the 911 oh my goodness
[4:37:04] coming in for this position but this
[4:37:06] position people just usually come and
[4:37:08] present to city council. So if you're
[4:37:09] just coming to present to city council
[4:37:11] in that case then you can flex your time
[4:37:13] the next day but then you know then make
[4:37:15] sure that you know then it would be a
[4:37:17] operational thing but I'm just not okay
[4:37:20] with not giving anybody any reason. I I
[4:37:23] just want to say when my son-in-law work
[4:37:24] for folks I mean they go out on any fire
[4:37:26] and that goes in there and you know to
[4:37:28] expect it like the mayor said the other
[4:37:30] night you know I want somebody who's
[4:37:32] going to get get up put their coat on we
[4:37:34] have a water man break 2 3 in the
[4:37:35] morning so there are certain departments
[4:37:37] that I I think deserve
[4:37:40] >> um and again under those guidelines I
[4:37:43] mean I can't take away city clerks
[4:37:45] because um I mean she does they do go
[4:37:48] above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when
[4:37:51] needed. I
[4:37:52] >> um
[4:37:52] >> because of New York state laws what has to be there but those those I think
[4:37:57] your stipen need to remain in those
[4:37:59] departments but that's just me we'll
[4:38:01] talk about it
[4:38:02] >> yeah that's what two that's a proposal
[4:38:04] from everyone that's that's what it so
[4:38:06] I'm going to Mr. Uh William sent this uh
[4:38:10] recommendation. So can you please take
[4:38:12] that email and incorporate it into the
[4:38:14] proposal?
[4:38:17] >> You're saying 10K for
[4:38:20] >> 10K is just a number that's out there.
[4:38:22] It's extremely
[4:38:25] >> you have to put it between each fund
[4:38:27] because we have management in water,
[4:38:29] sewer, golf
[4:38:31] >> in general. So you would have to have
[4:38:33] five maybe I don't know 10 10.
[4:38:35] [laughter]
[4:38:35] So, so maybe the number would be this
[4:38:37] number, but then you're just saying has
[4:38:38] to be divided across departments, right?
[4:38:40] That's what you're saying.
[4:38:41] >> Depends how many more managements are on
[4:38:44] another. I don't know how to split that
[4:38:45] out.
[4:38:47] >> Okay. Well, I I think that just from
[4:38:49] input, if we can look at what the
[4:38:51] stipens have been spent
[4:38:53] in previous years, the same way we use
[4:38:56] this historical data to make our
[4:38:58] projections now, I think that that
[4:38:59] wouldn't be any different here.
[4:39:03] Yeah, I'm happy to. So, well, let's just
[4:39:07] back up back there. So, Mr. William
[4:39:09] recommendation, please incorporate that
[4:39:10] into the proposal that comes to the
[4:39:12] proposal. And if there's any
[4:39:13] clarification needed, we can reach out
[4:39:15] to Mr.
[4:39:23] » Oh,
[4:39:26] I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. So just so
[4:39:28] we have better clarification how to put
[4:39:30] this in uh format that we understand.
[4:39:33] >> Sure.
[4:39:34] >> You want to take the general water
[4:39:35] sealer and have all the stipens the
[4:39:37] general fund put that in water.
[4:39:42] >> What I'm looking for is we could look at
[4:39:44] the historical data of like so the last
[4:39:46] three years what lines have been you
[4:39:49] know how much money have been spent
[4:39:51] drawn down from the stipens and what
[4:39:52] department. I think that that will
[4:39:53] better help inform
[4:39:56] what that number should look like and
[4:39:58] how we could do it and and are we and I
[4:40:01] guess yeah they would be required to be
[4:40:03] ahead.
[4:40:06] » Okay.
[4:40:07] >> Yeah.
[4:40:09] >> So we have the email from Mr. Williams
[4:40:11] and we're going to add that into the
[4:40:13] proposal
[4:40:14] >> everything
[4:40:15] >> for the expenditures.
[4:40:17] >> Mr. Williams
[4:40:18] >> he sent his own presentation.
[4:40:21] >> We have copy for that. Okay. I want to
[4:40:23] make sure that we we accept this. Um any
[4:40:28] emails from anybody else?
[4:40:31] No.
[4:40:32] Um,
[4:40:35] one thing I did send in the mail in
[4:40:37] terms of the um I think that um my my
[4:40:41] recommendation is to um
[4:40:44] to continue we make a recommendation to
[4:40:47] support the mayor's um support the
[4:40:50] mayor's um hiring phrase into 2026
[4:40:54] and also any new hire that is not grant
[4:40:57] funded we should also put that out on
[4:41:01] old and revisit into next year. So I
[4:41:04] will make that recommendation
[4:41:07] uh whatever victory we have with the
[4:41:09] Slav central or grant funded we should
[4:41:11] continue to hold it high ranking figures
[4:41:14] for that as the mayor had hold this year
[4:41:17] uh into next year and all new hires
[4:41:21] that is not funding
[4:41:25] if it's not
[4:41:26] >> vacant.
[4:41:28] Nice added to my um thought.
[4:41:34] It's all over you now.
[4:41:36] >> Yeah. So, I really need to go through
[4:41:38] this um and I'm too tired right now to
[4:41:40] do it, but given the information that we
[4:41:42] learned tonight, I will try to do some
[4:41:44] recommendations before Friday. Um I'm
[4:41:46] happy to just look at what you all just
[4:41:48] did and I'll, you know, when we get the
[4:41:51] Excel spreadsheet back um with the the
[4:41:54] proposed city council changes, I will I
[4:41:57] will look at those. going to have to
[4:41:58] revisit it, right?
[4:42:00] >> No, I'm going to just work off that
[4:42:01] document because I just I just can't I
[4:42:04] know. I just I just I'd have to go
[4:42:06] through my my way of thinking is I'd
[4:42:08] have to like look at everything. So, I
[4:42:10] want to look at everything that you all
[4:42:12] just said. I do want to say that I
[4:42:14] completely agree with you that I want to
[4:42:16] support the hiring freeze. Everything
[4:42:18] that you just said would be things that
[4:42:20] I would support as well, Mr. McLaren,
[4:42:22] that I think the hiring freeze needs to
[4:42:24] stay in place. I don't think that we
[4:42:26] should be, you know, I think we need to
[4:42:29] not necessarily do the new hires. Um,
[4:42:33] so I'm I'm right with you on that,
[4:42:35] >> Miss Michael. Um, we're not going to
[4:42:37] have a budget Friday. So, can we put a
[4:42:40] um a notice out to capture someday next
[4:42:43] week because I was expecting us to
[4:42:44] present our proposal today so that we
[4:42:47] give it to the commissioner of finance
[4:42:49] so he can present to us Friday. From the
[4:42:51] time we arrive at 5:30, we're going to
[4:42:54] start go through all proposals side by
[4:42:56] side and say, "Okay, here are we. Are
[4:42:59] you in agreement with John? Are you
[4:43:01] agreement with Mr. Toro?"
[4:43:02] >> You kind of start debate that say, "You
[4:43:04] know what? I agree with Mr. Toro. Don,
[4:43:07] we're not agreeing with you. Let's move
[4:43:09] forward." Now, we're going to have to
[4:43:10] come down. We're going to have to go
[4:43:11] through that the entire budget again to
[4:43:14] for your proposal.
[4:43:18] 5 hours.
[4:43:18] >> That's not what I'm saying. That's not
[4:43:20] what I'm saying. I just wanted to hear
[4:43:21] what all of you all had to say. I'm
[4:43:24] going to just I mean, in other words,
[4:43:26] what you're saying is that they're not
[4:43:27] they're going to have to give us back a
[4:43:29] document on Friday that has what you
[4:43:31] suggested, what you suggested, what
[4:43:33] >> everyone suggested. All five of us
[4:43:36] except you.
[4:43:38] >> Okay. I thought we were going to see
[4:43:39] something on Friday incorporating all of
[4:43:41] the count. I I don't know. I mean, I
[4:43:44] guess
[4:43:44] >> you could send it in if you needed to. I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy
[4:43:49] to review just based on what this
[4:43:51] conversation was tonight. I mean, the I really do feel I do support the hiring
[4:43:56] free. I can give you a couple of general
[4:43:57] comments, but I do want to look back at
[4:44:00] everything we just discussed.
[4:44:02] >> Are you I thought you were making notes.
[4:44:04] >> I was, but if you want, I can go through
[4:44:06] it right now. If you all want to stay,
[4:44:08] I'll just do it right now and look at my
[4:44:10] notes that I was taking while I'm
[4:44:11] sitting here. So, let's see. I would um
[4:44:16] if you want to start right on page um
[4:44:19] eight
[4:44:21] um
[4:44:24] » I don't think I want to change the
[4:44:26] allowance. Are we still I don't want to
[4:44:28] change the allowance for collected
[4:44:30] uncollected taxes because I think that
[4:44:32] um I'd have to go back through my
[4:44:34] paperwork but I believe that the
[4:44:35] recommendation from the finance
[4:44:36] commissioner was that that figure 2850
[4:44:40] is probably too low. So, I would stay
[4:44:42] there for that one. Um, in terms of the
[4:44:49] um
[4:44:51] cannabis one, um
[4:44:57] I would be okay with um I'm look I'm
[4:45:00] trying to I have to go back and look at
[4:45:02] the um
[4:45:03] >> maybe if you like take some maybe start
[4:45:05] with John's email both of those lines.
[4:45:08] >> Excuse me.
[4:45:09] >> It might help just for you to reference.
[4:45:11] Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.
[4:45:12] >> Yeah.
[4:45:13] that was the document I was
[4:45:15] looking at was John's John's document
[4:45:17] because that was the only one that he
[4:45:18] had, I believe,
[4:45:19] >> in advance of coming in.
[4:45:22] Um,
[4:45:25] yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up
[4:45:28] in the cannabis. Um,
[4:45:32] I have to find John's email again.
[4:45:40] Here's
[4:45:47] the Here's John.
[4:45:54] was increasing cannabis by
[4:45:56] $300,000. I believe
[4:45:59] um
[4:46:05] on that one,
[4:46:07] Joe's going to a million. Dorene's going
[4:46:10] to 800,000. Demani was going to 850 and
[4:46:13] Miriam was going to 850. Um I will say
[4:46:18] um 850.
[4:46:21] So that is A116.
[4:46:25] >> Okay. You have a question?
[4:46:26] >> I think it was just it doesn't matter
[4:46:28] what we were doing. So you put
[4:46:29] >> I'm just listening but I was listening
[4:46:31] to all of you and listening to the
[4:46:32] arguments. I listen to the police.
[4:46:34] >> Absolutely.
[4:46:35] >> This is this is not about matching us.
[4:46:37] No, I know this is the
[4:46:39] >> I know I'm making I am making my own
[4:46:43] I think I just I kind of process
[4:46:45] differently.
[4:46:47] >> So you're making a decision based on all
[4:46:48] the information that you heard.
[4:46:50] >> I am I am.
[4:46:51] >> So that's what I was saying. I think
[4:46:53] that it's not too much for you to take
[4:46:55] that and go through it and then send it
[4:46:57] him. We would have it if you send it to
[4:46:59] Sam and then that would be easier.
[4:47:01] >> I could do it tomorrow.
[4:47:03] >> I definitely couldn't do it when I go
[4:47:04] home now.
[4:47:04] >> Right. Um, but I can actually I mean I
[4:47:07] do I agree with what Mr. Mutarin is
[4:47:10] saying. I will say I came in here
[4:47:11] tonight to say yeah same thing hiring
[4:47:14] freeze needs to continue. Um I don't
[4:47:16] think we should be necessarily filling
[4:47:19] vacant vacancies
[4:47:21] um or adding new positions but again I
[4:47:23] want to make sure that I'm you know
[4:47:25] looking across the board at those and I
[4:47:27] think that's what you just said right
[4:47:28] Mr. Min. Um so I kind of agree with that
[4:47:31] one. Um, there's one other place where I
[4:47:35] wrote a note that I would suggest.
[4:47:38] Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah. The bus
[4:47:40] patrol. I really want to stay with the
[4:47:41] 400,000 on the bus patrol. So, that is
[4:47:45] line 2610.
[4:47:49] I think we should stick with the 400,000
[4:47:51] there.
[4:47:53] >> So, I have a question regarding that.
[4:47:55] So, so you're not taking into into
[4:47:58] consideration the $600,000
[4:48:00] that is not that outstanding revenue
[4:48:03] that they didn't account for in the
[4:48:05] budget and we heard that from the chiefs
[4:48:08] and that's what
[4:48:09] >> well I asked I asked them I actually
[4:48:11] asked the question tonight whether they
[4:48:13] thought the 400,000 was realistic and
[4:48:15] they I wrote myself a note actually they
[4:48:17] said yes the 400,000 was the realistic
[4:48:19] number
[4:48:20] >> but it does not factor in the
[4:48:21] outstanding
[4:48:24] >> okay So these you want to have these
[4:48:25] discussions now instead of Friday night.
[4:48:27] >> No making a recommendation just like we
[4:48:29] were making re I'm going to stick with
[4:48:32] the same thing.
[4:48:33] >> Yes. I'm going to stick with the 400
[4:48:36] >> on that one. Um
[4:48:47] I'm sorry I put in my other notes that I
[4:48:49] took tonight and look back at them.
[4:48:52] >> Sorry about this. No, you don't got to
[4:48:54] be sorry about it. And if you need to
[4:48:56] take the night to tomorrow tomorrow morning to do it, you can do
[4:48:58] that. Just like do that. There's nothing
[4:49:00] wrong.
[4:49:01] >> And I I feel like like like we're
[4:49:03] forcing you to go do it. And you said
[4:49:05] that you didn't want to do it.
[4:49:06] >> You get up in the morning, you go
[4:49:07] through your notes and email it right
[4:49:08] away to Sam and Derek
[4:49:11] with a fresh mind. I don't understand
[4:49:13] that.
[4:49:13] >> We'll all be on the same.
[4:49:14] >> Yeah. Okay. All right. And that's what
[4:49:16] I'm going to do.
[4:49:16] >> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.
[4:49:18] Don't worry. We're in it together. I
[4:49:19] mean, believe me, on Friday when I get
[4:49:21] to see and and actually we will see this
[4:49:24] document before we come here at 5:30 on
[4:49:26] Friday, right?
[4:49:27] >> Nobody's
[4:49:29] >> right. So, we'll get it we'll get it in
[4:49:31] time to review that document before we
[4:49:32] come here.
[4:49:33] >> Can you please email
[4:49:37] >> that? If if I may, the document is going
[4:49:40] to be available to us when all of us
[4:49:42] submit our proposal. If you do not have
[4:49:44] any proposal,
[4:49:46] then the document is going to be
[4:49:48] available on Friday.
[4:49:49] >> Just I just want to look over all my
[4:49:51] notes from tonight.
[4:49:51] >> I am not going to have the finance
[4:49:53] commission send out a document and then
[4:49:55] we are still in the process of
[4:49:56] submitting.
[4:49:58] >> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as
[4:50:00] I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as
[4:50:02] I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just
[4:50:04] asking if we could get it back in enough
[4:50:06] time to look through that document
[4:50:08] before we come back here around 5:30 on Friday. Is that is that the plan that
[4:50:13] we have it before we come back on?
[4:50:16] >> Well, we have never done that before.
[4:50:18] >> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked
[4:50:20] at it.
[4:50:20] >> We present the proposal. We allow them
[4:50:22] to to do their changes. They add the
[4:50:24] column, do every bring these this
[4:50:27] information to us and then we kind of
[4:50:29] like start. Okay.
[4:50:30] >> Okay.
[4:50:31] >> Here is here is um cannabis.
[4:50:34] One is saying a million, one is saying
[4:50:35] 800. Where do we stand on this? Do we
[4:50:37] have a consensus? Do we have an
[4:50:39] agreement? Where do we the finance
[4:50:41] committee will have to make a
[4:50:42] recommendation and what do we do with
[4:50:44] that on that line? That's how we decide
[4:50:46] to do it.
[4:50:46] >> I guess
[4:50:47] >> so we better add the other night. We we
[4:50:49] have to add an additional Friday.
[4:50:52] >> If we don't push these things along and
[4:50:54] we keep dragging them on into next day, we've been doing that for the
[4:50:59] last couple days. We're going to end up
[4:51:01] into next week. And I was about to ask I
[4:51:03] need some availability next week
[4:51:05] >> or this weekend.
[4:51:06] >> Monday. I'm I'm not
[4:51:12] but so but Mr. I do have to ask this
[4:51:14] question.
[4:51:17] What uh what Mr. Google is going to do?
[4:51:21] I say 854 again.
[4:51:24] So what is he going to put with his
[4:51:26] documentation? Is he just going to list
[4:51:28] all of our stuff separate? You know it
[4:51:30] can't be like when down the hall because
[4:51:34] we came here with consensus. I was
[4:51:36] saying can't Friday we can't have it run
[4:51:38] into the office. So we have to get our
[4:51:40] recommendation in
[4:51:41] >> before before five start to create a
[4:51:44] summary sheet like this for each
[4:51:46] individual
[4:51:46] >> for each individual. So you're going to
[4:51:49] have the revenue.
[4:51:50] >> It's going to be a summer. It's not
[4:51:51] going to be the fall,
[4:51:52] >> right? Just the changes.
[4:51:54] >> Just the changes.
[4:51:55] >> Each person's changes. And we still I'm
[4:51:57] sorry. We still have one touch that
[4:51:59] that's the case. [clears throat]
[4:52:01] >> What What comfortable thing does it on
[4:52:03] one sheet?
[4:52:04] >> Well,
[4:52:06] all six of us. I would probably
[4:52:08] recommend doing six different sheets
[4:52:11] >> and and also the percentage of the tax
[4:52:14] increase up or down based on those
[4:52:17] recommendations of each one.
[4:52:19] >> The totals the totals and then then how
[4:52:22] much is that
[4:52:23] >> that's right
[4:52:24] >> reducing the rate
[4:52:26] >> by based on those revenues on each one
[4:52:28] so everybody can take a look and compare
[4:52:31] >> which column is working and which isn't
[4:52:34] and where there's consensus and what
[4:52:35] impact that has. So that's my
[4:52:37] recommendation is that's a calculator.
[4:52:40] >> I think that makes sense.
[4:52:40] >> So if you want to pass a brief thing
[4:52:44] summary from there provided earlier um
[4:52:48] just to get an idea that's kosher the
[4:52:52] council members.
[4:52:54] >> Yeah. [clears throat]
[4:52:57] So then we still will have to come back
[4:52:59] together because then at least my memory
[4:53:01] is that we will see uh this document
[4:53:06] right it'll look like this again
[4:53:08] >> this is too
[4:53:09] >> but it'll be like proposed council
[4:53:13] >> right and then that's where we start to
[4:53:15] really talk to each other and figure out
[4:53:17] >> well that's not what he's planning
[4:53:20] to say
[4:53:22] >> go ahead
[4:53:23] >> Mr. council
[4:53:26] until it be
[4:53:27] >> six sheets for
[4:53:29] >> right
[4:53:30] >> we kind of have Mr. Williams is cuz he
[4:53:32] did it that way.
[4:53:33] >> And then we'll go by line. This is what
[4:53:35] people are reporting. Um then we'll have
[4:53:37] negotiations and then we'll all agree on
[4:53:39] that line. Then we'll move to the next
[4:53:41] line and we'll do that.
[4:53:42] >> And and we didn't make changes. I mean
[4:53:44] you guys only made changes to I'm going
[4:53:46] to say I'm guessing like six or seven
[4:53:48] lines all told.
[4:53:50] >> I don't think it's super significant.
[4:53:51] But what we didn't do tonight
[4:53:53] >> as far as I'm concerned is talk about
[4:53:55] where we're changing the expenses.
[4:53:58] I didn't
[4:53:58] >> I mean I did a little bit
[4:54:01] Mr. Williams did too
[4:54:04] >> for Councilman. He said one email
[4:54:08] suggested to reduce management salaries.
[4:54:12] >> Excuse me.
[4:54:15] [clears throat]
[4:54:15] >> No, I asked for your report.
[4:54:16] >> Okay. There was an email saying no man
[4:54:19] salary.
[4:54:20] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that
[4:54:21] was my suggestion.
[4:54:22] >> Okay. So I would have to add I don't
[4:54:26] know 50 something lines for management.
[4:54:29] >> No just everything.
[4:54:31] >> Well just like that.
[4:54:33] >> Yeah that's basic number there.
[4:54:35] >> We would have to know each line how to
[4:54:38] reduce it or keep the same.
[4:54:40] >> Yeah that's when we go to
[4:54:42] >> so that's that's management line. So you
[4:54:44] need 50 different lines for the
[4:54:46] management
[4:54:46] >> each salary. So you have to pro that one
[4:54:50] sheet. Yeah.
[4:54:50] >> Yeah.
[4:54:54] you I think he already did it once. So
[4:54:56] now he would just take the changes and
[4:54:58] do it again.
[4:55:00] >> It was only the only people that talked
[4:55:02] about that was John himself. John was at
[4:55:06] >> but you know I came prepar
[4:55:08] >> right. That's what I'm saying.
[4:55:09] >> And I wanted to move the budget forward.
[4:55:11] That's why we need to you know move
[4:55:13] forward. If not, we're going to have to
[4:55:15] go into next week or this weekend and I
[4:55:17] I'm going to have to discuss with you
[4:55:19] availability because we're going to come
[4:55:21] in Friday here and we're going to still
[4:55:22] talking about we're going to still be
[4:55:24] talking about revenue. We're going to
[4:55:25] still be talking about
[4:55:27] >> No, no, we did that and she missed that
[4:55:29] same person by tomorrow.
[4:55:30] >> Yeah, I'm going to talk
[4:55:32] some of us did not even talk about
[4:55:34] expenditure.
[4:55:35] >> None of us did that
[4:55:36] >> expenditures. Yes, but revenue we did.
[4:55:38] >> Yes, we did. teaching session we touch
[4:55:41] on revenue what about
[4:55:43] >> well we could either do it now but I
[4:55:45] think many of us are tired or we do that
[4:55:48] on Friday
[4:55:49] >> I gave mine
[4:55:50] >> well that's what's going to have to roll
[4:55:52] into another day because you're going to
[4:55:54] have to send it out
[4:55:54] >> I kind of came in here thinking that we
[4:55:56] were going to have to have another day
[4:55:57] because I I mean first of all we went
[4:55:59] already just talking about the revenue I
[4:56:02] think it's like 10 o'clock at night
[4:56:04] at 10:30
[4:56:06] >> 109 10:19 Um, so we still I mean I kind
[4:56:10] of already cleared some stuff from my
[4:56:12] schedule next week because I figured we
[4:56:14] were going to have to go into next week.
[4:56:16] I mean even based on our conversation
[4:56:18] last night. I mean I just thought that
[4:56:19] we were going to have to have
[4:56:21] >> some more days. I think what we need to
[4:56:23] say tonight is everybody needs to give
[4:56:25] their expenditures in. They didn't have
[4:56:27] them tonight
[4:56:29] by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have
[4:56:31] everything to present to put together
[4:56:33] for Friday. It's not even an option. I
[4:56:35] had mine, but what I understood us to do
[4:56:37] that when you're going around the table
[4:56:38] for revenue, you better make another
[4:56:40] circle for expenditure. [clears throat]
[4:56:42] >> And then the second circle didn't
[4:56:44] happen,
[4:56:45] >> right?
[4:56:46] >> I mean, I could sit here for like 10
[4:56:48] minutes and probably, you know, write
[4:56:49] down all my thing. Isn't that I mean, I
[4:56:51] feel like some that you guys were also
[4:56:53] kind of making changes and thinking
[4:56:55] about it because of what we tonight.
[4:56:57] >> Yeah. I mean, so I sent in my revenue
[4:56:59] increases and my expenditures via email
[4:57:02] earlier today. We got
[4:57:04] >> but we got it from
[4:57:09] Miss Patrick. I was very clear yesterday
[4:57:11] evening with you. So please sent in your
[4:57:14] recommendation
[4:57:15] >> right and I'm sorry that I did not also
[4:57:18] wanted to hear additional information
[4:57:20] >> that did not happen. [clears throat]
[4:57:22] >> Um I'm glad that the others uh sent
[4:57:25] their recommendation. One recommendation
[4:57:27] I also had was the uh fees for service
[4:57:30] >> the fees for service. Uh Derek
[4:57:34] >> Yes. Yes.
[4:57:34] >> Uh I would I would my recommendation is
[4:57:37] to also pull a high level uh report of
[4:57:42] how much are we spending towards police
[4:57:44] service across all departments.
[4:57:47] >> And my uh my recommendation was to um
[4:57:51] well for us to consider this is my
[4:57:53] proposal on the master. proposal. I want
[4:57:56] to be very clear with you about
[4:57:58] >> yes
[4:57:58] >> these are all what we're saying here is
[4:57:59] our proposal
[4:58:01] >> so to kind of lower that by 10% across
[4:58:04] the board so that's one of my
[4:58:05] recommendation that should be added as a
[4:58:07] cost reduction
[4:58:09] >> and that's the mail that was sent to the
[4:58:11] and everybody was happy
[4:58:13] >> and
[4:58:15] this is the uh theater services you want
[4:58:18] to pass
[4:58:21] I think you have something you want to
[4:58:23] add to say It's about the local law.
[4:58:26] >> I'll be your pardon.
[4:58:27] >> The local law go regarding the override
[4:58:31] >> of the tax.
[4:58:32] >> Oh, good.
[4:58:34] >> Oh, you want to talk about that?
[4:58:35] >> Yeah. Based on
[4:58:38] Gota,
[4:58:39] >> you know, that falls into what as far as
[4:58:43] you go.
[4:58:45] >> The total proposed 2022 budget carried
[4:58:49] $2.6 $6 million of these
[4:58:53] >> fees facilities that don't also include
[4:58:56] training.
[4:58:57] >> These are registers, I guess. Yes.
[4:58:59] >> Okay.
[4:59:00] >> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?
[4:59:04] This document you just got, right? I
[4:59:06] didn't hear what you're saying because I
[4:59:06] was looking
[4:59:07] >> This document
[4:59:10] >> is for fees for service and also
[4:59:12] training.
[4:59:13] >> Oh, that's good because that is the
[4:59:14] other thing that
[4:59:15] >> it's $2.6 million.
[4:59:19] That was one of the things that I think
[4:59:20] I mentioned to you.
[4:59:21] >> Yeah, we did talk about this last
[4:59:23] training. Yeah,
[4:59:23] >> the training. So, my recommendation is
[4:59:25] that based on this, I would like to see
[4:59:27] uh my recommendation a 10% reduction
[4:59:30] across
[4:59:32] >> 10%
[4:59:33] reduction in these lines each department
[4:59:36] >> all together%
[4:59:38] >> that's my recommendation. It's my
[4:59:40] recommendation. You know how I mean
[4:59:43] >> before you do that
[4:59:45] come in and talk about their feast.
[4:59:48] >> We already reduce them drastically.
[4:59:51] >> I mean I think we took notes from every
[4:59:53] department but the briefs in place where
[4:59:57] >> we can't just do it.
[4:59:58] >> You can't just cut it and [snorts] it's
[5:00:01] I would recommend that if you really
[5:00:02] wanted to entertaining decreasing it
[5:00:04] even further.
[5:00:06] >> What do you see? um like there's been I
[5:00:09] see the first um A1010 404
[5:00:13] that was actually more than cut in half.
[5:00:15] So I do see what you're talking about.
[5:00:17] However, um if I jump to the very next
[5:00:20] one and I don't know which department
[5:00:21] these are A1310 124 the exact same
[5:00:25] amount. So some have been reduced um
[5:00:28] considerably and others have remained
[5:00:30] the same. So do we um only ask the
[5:00:35] people who's if we must do this do we
[5:00:38] only ask the people who remain the same
[5:00:41] when we talk about cutting in another
[5:00:42] 10% like if this is remain
[5:00:44] >> so that one
[5:00:48] 35 finance and we usually [laughter]
[5:00:51] keep that the same that's most audit
[5:00:55] services that for the annual audit and
[5:00:57] there's other u that you know you house.
[5:01:02] >> And there's 1340
[5:01:05] didn't change.
[5:01:06] >> So, some of these didn't change.
[5:01:09] >> Um, a lot of the ones seem like they
[5:01:11] really didn't change. And this one was
[5:01:13] not significantly. I don't know what
[5:01:14] they are. So,
[5:01:16] >> some I believe one that was I believe
[5:01:21] Scott and he consolidated some of that
[5:01:26] department. That's why I
[5:01:31] » follow
[5:01:34] that. Let me follow up. But look at the
[5:01:36] reported essentially and we have this as
[5:01:39] the report.
[5:01:41] >> I don't
[5:01:42] know. You're sitting here.
[5:01:43] >> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?
[5:01:46] >> Thank you.
[5:01:49] >> Is there anything that would help you
[5:01:50] digest the document a little further
[5:01:52] because you see numbers fee for
[5:01:54] services? I'm gonna go back
[5:01:57] >> look at the number and then I'm gonna
[5:01:59] look at this
[5:02:00] >> and then I'm going to look at my notes
[5:02:01] from the term
[5:02:04] presentations and that will help me
[5:02:06] decide whether we can or cannot reduce
[5:02:09] these based on what the line is right
[5:02:12] everybody
[5:02:13] >> I mean I could just refer to the budget
[5:02:14] but if it's if it's nothing click it all
[5:02:17] be there you have to enter
[5:02:19] >> otherwise I'm going to
[5:02:23] [laughter]
[5:02:24] say
[5:02:24] >> he said He doesn't have to put it in
[5:02:26] manual. It'll just it'll fill so he can
[5:02:28] filter.
[5:02:29] >> All right. Let me just take a pause for
[5:02:31] a minute on you
[5:02:34] call brief on Monday.
[5:02:37] I forget.
[5:02:38] >> Okay. Um briefly um you've got the draft
[5:02:42] ordinance budget ordinance looks the
[5:02:45] same as in half years. It's a matter of
[5:02:47] filling in the amounts. What changes is
[5:02:50] the proposed tax cap override the tax
[5:02:52] cap. The state law mandates that you
[5:02:54] pass a local law authorizing the tax cap
[5:02:58] on override.
[5:03:00] >> There's certain procedures. Procedures
[5:03:03] are that we I've given you the draft.
[5:03:06] This is mon other cities that have done
[5:03:08] this the legislation.
[5:03:11] If for example you're planning on
[5:03:14] passing the budget on Monday night in
[5:03:16] the regular council you have to ask for
[5:03:18] unanimous consent because you're not
[5:03:20] going to be at least vote on it because
[5:03:22] it's going to be majestically agenda
[5:03:24] prior after tomorrow
[5:03:27] that the on a local law as we went
[5:03:30] through the local law earlier this year
[5:03:33] has to be on the desk for seven days.
[5:03:36] Mayor, the mayor can ask for a message
[5:03:39] of necessity, which is a letter to the
[5:03:41] council saying that that the the uh the
[5:03:45] requirement from the the uh statute or
[5:03:48] wave that you introduce it and vote it
[5:03:51] on the same night. The proposed
[5:03:54] legislation is before you. It is the
[5:03:56] intent of the of the local law to uh
[5:04:00] permit but not require the city of
[5:04:01] Skenity to go of the tax c So
[5:04:07] bottom line, this local law, it's got to
[5:04:10] be passed prior to adopting the budget.
[5:04:13] The mayor must send you message of
[5:04:16] necessity the first plan on Monday night
[5:04:19] hearing. Um that means local law will
[5:04:22] have to be introduced and voted upon
[5:04:25] that same night and the budget will be
[5:04:28] adopted that same day. And the
[5:04:30] alternative if you're what I am
[5:04:32] recommending this local law introduced
[5:04:35] and be voted on on Monday night. If the
[5:04:38] budget ordinance needs to be take a few
[5:04:41] days past that you have the local law
[5:04:44] pass
[5:04:46] and it's below the tax cap. It's below
[5:04:50] the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The
[5:04:53] local law is in place. That's what um
[5:04:56] the the the calculations that the
[5:04:58] finance department are going to do, the
[5:05:00] finance commissioner are going to look
[5:05:03] at you're going to see what what how
[5:05:05] that impacts the tax cap. There's a
[5:05:07] formula under the general municipal law
[5:05:09] that the finance commissioner looks at
[5:05:11] based on
[5:05:13] the rates and tax base etc. the city of
[5:05:18] connectivity. It's all out laid out in
[5:05:19] the general municipal law. E
[5:05:21] [clears throat]
[5:05:22] based on the numbers that you've come to
[5:05:25] and look at that formula and then say oh
[5:05:27] this is these these you're above or
[5:05:30] below the tax cap.
[5:05:34] So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as
[5:05:37] we go through this process, you know,
[5:05:39] Friday that or Mon or Saturday, um, that
[5:05:44] at the very least the finance committee
[5:05:46] votes out of committee that this local
[5:05:48] law be introduced and voted upon. So, at
[5:05:51] least you have that. Now, advice this
[5:05:54] weekend, you may know that you may be
[5:05:56] below that tax gap and that you wouldn't
[5:05:58] have to worry about that. But if if it's
[5:06:02] not getting to where you want to go, you
[5:06:04] should have that local law squared away.
[5:06:07] It does the local woman doesn't commit
[5:06:09] to it [clears throat] and just allows.
[5:06:11] >> Can we do
[5:06:12] >> I understand, you know,
[5:06:13] >> can we vote on that tonight so that we
[5:06:16] can get it onto the agenda for
[5:06:18] council meeting? This is a committee
[5:06:19] meeting.
[5:06:20] >> This is a committee meeting.
[5:06:22] No, no. But I recommend that you hold
[5:06:24] off on voting the local committee until
[5:06:27] you get further information numbers from
[5:06:30] the finance department.
[5:06:31] >> No, we're not voting on anything
[5:06:33] tonight.
[5:06:36] » And that's that's all I have.
[5:06:38] >> That's question. Mr. Brian, would you
[5:06:40] please when you find the uh the
[5:06:44] originating documents for the fund for
[5:06:46] the golf fund, could you forward those
[5:06:48] over to me, please?
[5:06:48] >> Yes.
[5:06:49] >> Thank you, sir. a look at the ordinance
[5:06:51] and I got talked to the finance
[5:06:53] commission. I just like to see if that's
[5:06:57] >> and just you gave some recommendations
[5:07:01] on how excuse me should um provide
[5:07:05] information from as individually. So it
[5:07:08] was individual sheets for each person
[5:07:10] with our recommendations and then you
[5:07:11] said some else
[5:07:13] >> and how those you know each one of those
[5:07:15] additions that you've made or a deletion
[5:07:18] that we've made how with the total
[5:07:21] numbers how that would impact the tax
[5:07:24] rate based on each one of those those
[5:07:26] columns but then they would have give
[5:07:28] him what we would be willing to I don't
[5:07:31] think he talked everyone talked about
[5:07:32] what we would be willing to take out of
[5:07:34] our reserve
[5:07:35] >> with the expenses we didn't do expenses
[5:07:38] So,
[5:07:40] >> but we can can I just say couldn't that
[5:07:42] be um the six of us our things could be
[5:07:46] on one spreadsheet so we see across the
[5:07:49] you know what I mean like it might be
[5:07:51] that
[5:07:53] >> five of the six of us have the same
[5:07:55] exact
[5:07:56] >> if we see it all in one spreadsheet
[5:07:58] across the board we might all have the
[5:08:00] same
[5:08:01] >> things I mean can you do that if we
[5:08:03] >> we'll take a look and see if it's easy
[5:08:06] on the
[5:08:07] >> [laughter]
[5:08:07] >> Okay.
[5:08:09] >> Put on a legal sheet
[5:08:10] >> that on a legal sheet. That's what
[5:08:11] exactly.
[5:08:12] >> So we can go two line by line.
[5:08:15] So
[5:08:15] >> the column would be John, Dorene,
[5:08:19] Mary.
[5:08:20] >> So yes, do it on one sheet.
[5:08:22] >> If you can again consolidate the notes,
[5:08:25] but just make sure you have everything
[5:08:27] on paper correct. Send an email. I don't
[5:08:32] >> I was about to say that.
[5:08:34] I'm going to remind you again with all
[5:08:35] respect you please please please send in
[5:08:39] your proposal. I do not want to come
[5:08:41] here Friday and you still have proposal.
[5:08:45] I want to give the finance commissioner
[5:08:48] >> the the absolute time to go and revise
[5:08:52] their sheet and bring it back to us
[5:08:54] private.
[5:08:55] >> Right.
[5:08:55] >> We should not be well we should put this
[5:08:57] in and we should put this in. I'm giving
[5:09:00] y'all enough time
[5:09:02] >> to to get that information in.
[5:09:04] >> So for expenses
[5:09:04] >> for this team to to expense revenue,
[5:09:08] expenditure in and out, whatever you
[5:09:10] want to do. You want to add expenditure,
[5:09:12] you want to reduce expenditure, you want
[5:09:14] to increase revenue, you want to
[5:09:16] decrease revenue, please submit it. I'm
[5:09:19] going to reach out to Mr. Williams and
[5:09:21] ask him if he has anything more.
[5:09:23] And if he does, he's very good at email
[5:09:26] and follow to that clinic stop. So, I'm
[5:09:29] going to ask the rest of us here, the
[5:09:30] five of us, please get that over
[5:09:34] >> if I you trying to get that in one
[5:09:37] document. Is that what you're looking
[5:09:38] for?
[5:09:38] >> I would just like
[5:09:42] one.
[5:09:43] >> No, it's not one sheet per person.
[5:09:45] >> Yes. One sheet so we can look at John.
[5:09:48] >> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one
[5:09:50] sheet. Is that what you're saying?
[5:09:53] >> John wants these revenues, these
[5:09:55] expenditures.
[5:09:57] 30 months, these revenues, these
[5:09:58] expenditures. So I so I know exactly we
[5:10:01] wrote down show exactly everything.
[5:10:05] Um but Michael has it there. So you can
[5:10:07] follow the
[5:10:09] >> she doesn't have expenditure.
[5:10:10] She just has the revenue.
[5:10:26] So conservative.
[5:10:33] » That's fine.
[5:10:35] >> John, you're going to do it.
[5:10:38] >> We we were going through detail and we
[5:10:41] were making sure that the commission of
[5:10:43] finance was taking notes and M. Michael
[5:10:45] was taking notes in terms of our
[5:10:46] recommendation one by one.
[5:10:49] Please like that or as we suggested
[5:10:54] email whatever additional
[5:10:56] >> yes exactly that's what I just echo if
[5:10:59] you have additional expenditure in or
[5:11:02] out revenue in or out please email it
[5:11:06] and that will be added under your name
[5:11:08] under your account
[5:11:09] >> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments
[5:11:11] to any of the funds I said maybe golf
[5:11:14] depending on what uh we find Right.
[5:11:19] I didn't hear anything.
[5:11:22] >> Yes, I I did have one about the capital
[5:11:25] fund wondering if we can buy fewer EV. I
[5:11:27] put it in my thing. Maybe I overlooked
[5:11:30] the guess. Can we purchase only six EV
[5:11:32] charging stations um only one rail
[5:11:35] loader. So, it was because those were
[5:11:37] expense lines and we didn't get there.
[5:11:38] So, I'll send it in again.
[5:11:39] >> Can you please send that in? And
[5:11:42] everyone on the the proposal, please add
[5:11:44] it as a expenditure.
[5:11:46] >> Yep. And I I have an extension, but
[5:11:49] again, we never got there.
[5:11:50] >> Mr. Williams, this was complete.
[5:11:54] >> Are we going to that?
[5:11:56] >> So, more than likely we'll have to meet
[5:11:57] again next week. So, I don't know. I
[5:11:59] mean, we have we have a they have a
[5:12:01] short meeting Monday,
[5:12:04] city council meeting. So, we can I can
[5:12:06] meet earlier and then later.
[5:12:10] >> I haven't either probably. I think that
[5:12:13] we have to consider people that work
[5:12:14] during the day.
[5:12:17] Well, we can do 5:30 Monday, then break
[5:12:20] for recess and go to
[5:12:22] this.
[5:12:24] >> Yes, cuz that was fun. You're right.
[5:12:28] >> Tuesday,
[5:12:28] >> we we got to
[5:12:31] >> Mr. Chairman, do you do you intend to
[5:12:33] have the the budget pass in a special
[5:12:36] meeting or an adjourned meeting? And if
[5:12:38] a special meeting has to be specially
[5:12:41] noticed, other words, we're just having
[5:12:43] business on on Monday
[5:12:45] special meeting
[5:12:47] >> by Thursday with a with a notice for
[5:12:50] next Thursday.
[5:12:51] >> Well, uh, I'm glad you touched on that.
[5:12:54] My intention was to have the budget up
[5:12:56] or down and see where we stand on Friday
[5:12:58] by having everybody propose a
[5:13:01] move forward with a a high level
[5:13:03] discussion Friday and we see where we
[5:13:06] stand and then eventually if we all
[5:13:08] agreement or with agreement majority
[5:13:10] agreement we move it out to committee
[5:13:12] and then we ask for unanimous consent on the floor for Monday. But
[5:13:18] I don't know where we stand right now
[5:13:20] because we still have outstanding stuff
[5:13:23] to make and it's unfair to the finance
[5:13:26] team to give these top 10 at the last
[5:13:29] minute and I expect them to deliver a
[5:13:32] report to us.
[5:13:34] So I ask that you please please
[5:13:36] including myself. I've been very open
[5:13:39] about my emails. I copied everybody by
[5:13:41] email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask
[5:13:44] you to do the same thing cuz if we don't
[5:13:46] if we if we come here Friday, we're
[5:13:49] going to have to I'm going to have to
[5:13:51] start maybe we're going to have to start
[5:13:53] reserve days from tonight or tomorrow
[5:13:57] until next week.
[5:13:58] >> We already have Friday schedule. So, if
[5:14:00] we're going to do anything tomorrow,
[5:14:01] we're going to have to schedule it
[5:14:02] >> because we have the three we need three
[5:14:04] days.
[5:14:04] >> Can we Can we do that right now? Can we
[5:14:07] suggest days right now? I'm going to be
[5:14:10] cancelling. I figured I was going to
[5:14:11] need next [clears throat] week. I am
[5:14:13] cancelling the housing uh task force for
[5:14:15] Tuesday. It's going to be later in
[5:14:17] November. I mentioned it to Sam, but I
[5:14:18] haven't had a chance to write that out
[5:14:20] yet. Um so we I was trying to free up a
[5:14:23] night and so I could do Saturday. I have
[5:14:26] to cancel something, but I could do
[5:14:29] Saturday. I could do Monday. I could do
[5:14:31] Tuesday.
[5:14:32] >> What's
[5:14:35] Oh, today's Wednesday.
[5:14:38] So
[5:14:38] >> have to be Thursday. [laughter]
[5:14:43] » So we have Friday.
[5:14:46] >> So I mean are people able to well I know
[5:14:48] we have to ask Mr. Williams too but
[5:14:54] » I I think we have to but then we have to
[5:14:58] accommodate so we have to be considerate
[5:15:00] of the final staff on Saturdays.
[5:15:02] >> Okay then. Yes.
[5:15:07] So
[5:15:09] Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday
[5:15:11] work for folks.
[5:15:12] >> Whatever day we choose going forward
[5:15:14] now, we need the finance team
[5:15:18] >> with us.
[5:15:21] >> I'm just going to do it for Saturday.
[5:15:23] That's three days and then we'll be
[5:15:25] available Monday. Well, I think he's
[5:15:27] saying that he doesn't want to
[5:15:28] necessarily have the financing
[5:15:36] at seven. So, we can come in
[5:15:37] >> Tuesday, Wednesday.
[5:15:40] >> You're open those three days.
[5:15:41] >> Any of those days? Yeah.
[5:15:44] >> I don't know when they'll get the call
[5:15:45] or right.
[5:15:47] >> I know.
[5:15:47] >> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about
[5:15:49] that you guys?
[5:15:50] >> We're already scheduing.
[5:15:55] We're having Monday and Tuesday.
[5:15:57] >> Monday and Tuesday.
[5:15:59] >> Do we want mid Saturday?
[5:16:07] So
[5:16:10] what time we consider
[5:16:11] >> Monday 5 5:30
[5:16:14] >> Monday 5:30
[5:16:17] >> and then we recess and we
[5:16:20] >> go to council meeting
[5:16:22] >> and then we'll we'll reconvene right
[5:16:24] after that
[5:16:25] >> okay
[5:16:25] >> that meeting and continue our
[5:16:27] deliberation if we
[5:16:28] >> interest
[5:16:29] >> if we happen to come to an agreement
[5:16:32] Friday then we just disregard those
[5:16:35] dates
[5:16:35] >> question do we have to do a notice for
[5:16:38] Monday if we're in recess now if we're
[5:16:40] just going to reconvene Monday prior to
[5:16:41] our 7 o'clock meeting.
[5:16:43] >> Yeah.
[5:16:45] >> Come in Friday anyway.
[5:16:48] >> Didn't get a notice. [clears throat]
[5:16:49] >> You have to give public.
[5:16:50] >> This is the meeting apart from the
[5:16:52] council meeting.
[5:16:53] >> Notice I thought because we recess
[5:16:57] >> and the thing the ordinance the budget
[5:16:59] ordinance in the local law that that has
[5:17:01] to already be on your agenda. You can
[5:17:03] adjourn the meeting, the vote on those
[5:17:05] things, but they would have to be on the
[5:17:06] agenda already for the meeting that was
[5:17:08] announced.
[5:17:09] >> You can always have a special meeting on
[5:17:11] three days notice dealing with a budget,
[5:17:15] the local law if necessary.
[5:17:16] >> So, you're saying the ordinances for
[5:17:18] Monday's meeting?
[5:17:19] >> If you want to just do a
[5:17:21] >> as opposed to a new special meeting,
[5:17:24] >> but I I based on what I'm hearing, it's
[5:17:26] probably best let's see what happens on
[5:17:28] Friday.
[5:17:29] >> I agree with that.
[5:17:30] >> Yes. Yeah, I would point that's that's
[5:17:33] good point.
[5:17:34] >> So then next Monday city council meeting
[5:17:38] you uh recess.
[5:17:40] >> Well, let's see let's see what goes on
[5:17:42] Friday.
[5:17:43] >> But we need the three days, right? Don't
[5:17:44] we have to have three-day public notice?
[5:17:46] >> You're going to have your regular
[5:17:47] meeting on Monday. If you are able to
[5:17:50] get out the budget ordinance
[5:17:53] on Friday and the local law on Friday or
[5:17:56] Saturday by unanimous consent, you can
[5:17:59] just add those to the agenda on Monday.
[5:18:01] >> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then
[5:18:03] you can adjourn the meeting or later in
[5:18:06] the week before November 1st, then it's
[5:18:08] an adjournment meeting, not a new
[5:18:09] meeting.
[5:18:10] >> Can we
[5:18:12] recess? But could we could we right now
[5:18:15] so that we have enough notice and if
[5:18:18] just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we
[5:18:21] >> I think we I think the best practice
[5:18:23] right now is just to see what happens on
[5:18:25] Friday.
[5:18:26] >> That's my recommendation.
[5:18:28] >> What if we what if we meet on Monday?
[5:18:31] Still have time
[5:18:32] >> for a committee meeting. Yes. So maybe
[5:18:35] just have the committee meeting. you're
[5:18:37] already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on
[5:18:43] Friday,
[5:18:44] >> right?
[5:18:44] >> So, if you need to work with it some
[5:18:46] more prior to the meeting,
[5:18:49] >> um you can add that by unanimous
[5:18:51] consent, the budget ordinance and the
[5:18:53] local law.
[5:18:55] >> But but if we have to come at 5:30 on
[5:18:57] Monday, don't we have to do a public
[5:18:59] notice three days in advance?
[5:19:01] >> Right. And for for the finance
[5:19:03] committee,
[5:19:03] >> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do
[5:19:05] you?
[5:19:05] >> So, yes. Oh.
[5:19:06] >> So, so what I'm going to get from right
[5:19:09] now is that Sam is going to send out a
[5:19:11] notice that we're going to add
[5:19:15] >> two more days.
[5:19:16] >> We're going to add Monday reconvene at
[5:19:19] 5:30
[5:19:21] recess city council meeting upstairs and
[5:19:23] reconvene back down here. And then
[5:19:26] she'll say 5:30.
[5:19:27] >> Okay.
[5:19:28] >> I'm going to place that place full
[5:19:30] reserve those days. I think that's the
[5:19:31] way we go.
[5:19:32] >> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that
[5:19:35] we're going to have something Friday.
[5:19:37] >> We might.
[5:19:38] >> So, you want to add Wednesday?
[5:19:39] >> Nobody can hardly
[5:19:41] >> just for the sake of
[5:19:44] Wednesday.
[5:19:46] >> Yes. Add Wednesday, too.
[5:19:48] >> I'm sorry. What?
[5:19:50] and
[5:19:52] madam president
[5:19:55] council. So you recess recess the uh
[5:19:59] >> council meeting
[5:20:01] >> and you can reconvene like towards your
[5:20:03] Friday
[5:20:05] >> right if if those items get on by the
[5:20:08] end
[5:20:10] >> no if they get on the agenda they have
[5:20:12] to be on the agenda we'll reconvene the
[5:20:14] meeting so it has to be otherwise you're
[5:20:17] going to have to have a special meeting
[5:20:18] also we need a special
[5:20:19] >> meeting you need a special meeting if
[5:20:21] you're maybe that's the way you want to
[5:20:24] go and have a special meeting for next
[5:20:26] Thursday or Tuesday or whatever, you
[5:20:28] know, um, and just have a special
[5:20:29] meeting to to vote on the budget. That
[5:20:31] way you may have a little bit more time
[5:20:33] in between to, you know, see if things
[5:20:36] can be worked out.
[5:20:39] >> We've done that before and we're like in
[5:20:41] and out special meeting. You let the
[5:20:42] budget go. If you want to go
[5:20:45] >> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.
[5:20:47] >> Yes.
[5:20:47] >> And and just do that. And then you just
[5:20:49] have we're just dealing with the budget
[5:20:50] and the local law if necessary.
[5:20:54] So, so the part of it taking here is to
[5:20:56] make sure that we secure placehold for
[5:20:59] the committee meeting days.
[5:21:01] >> We look what happened with we're going
[5:21:03] to, you know, what's happening Friday.
[5:21:04] >> Mhm.
[5:21:05] >> Then we can say, okay, we need to begin
[5:21:07] Monday. So then we can say, okay, know
[5:21:09] there are a couple items need to to to
[5:21:12] iron out. Then we can call a special
[5:21:14] meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.
[5:21:16] >> Wednesday's the one I can't I mean, I'd
[5:21:18] say Tuesday.
[5:21:20] you can
[5:21:25] » and actually Thursday Thursday Thursday
[5:21:27] is the um is it is there's the county uh
[5:21:31] dinner
[5:21:32] >> but
[5:21:34] >> we got
[5:21:36] can notice for the committee meetings
[5:21:41] >> and possible
[5:21:43] council meeting all at once.
[5:21:46] >> Yeah. like one notice say that that's
[5:21:48] what the agenda is this and the
[5:21:51] >> council you know two notices or you know
[5:21:55] one notice with two two meeting notices
[5:21:57] one one with the committee and council
[5:22:00] meeting dealing with the uh adoption of
[5:22:04] the budget
[5:22:04] >> right
[5:22:04] >> okay so so on Thursday though it's I
[5:22:08] know that you guys there's dinner but if
[5:22:10] you come here at 5:30 when time's the
[5:22:11] dinner start
[5:22:12] >> I don't know I I'll forget it I won't
[5:22:14] worry about it I just you know
[5:22:15] connecting shares is actually one of the
[5:22:17] awardees.
[5:22:18] >> If you're if you're voting on the budget
[5:22:20] though that's already working passing
[5:22:23] usually that meeting less than half an
[5:22:25] hour if you don't
[5:22:28] >> then I will also be available on
[5:22:30] Thursday.
[5:22:32] >> So everybody's available on Thursday. So
[5:22:35] >> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday
[5:22:38] everybody.
[5:22:39] >> So here let's do this one step at a
[5:22:40] time. S please get notice out for me. Uh
[5:22:43] the committee is uh we're meeting this
[5:22:46] Friday. We're meeting next Monday and
[5:22:48] Tuesday.
[5:22:49] >> Yes.
[5:22:50] >> And special meeting on Thursday for the
[5:22:53] >> hopefully we can do it before then. But
[5:22:54] >> hopefully we can but I don't know
[5:22:56] >> Thursday.
[5:23:01] Well, that meeting can always be
[5:23:03] adjourned by Thursday.
[5:23:04] >> That's right. We don't need it. But just
[5:23:07] this is our just in case. just in case.
[5:23:10] Let's say
[5:23:17] » I can sit here until tomorrow morning.
[5:23:20] [laughter]
[5:23:23] » I can stretch out man
[5:23:26] out because uh
[5:23:31] just motion motion to reset finance
[5:23:34] committee.
[5:23:35] >> Second. All in favor?
[5:23:46] Thank you very much.
[5:23:48] >> Thank you. So,
[5:23:50] >> did we already decide
[5:23:52] to break down?
[5:23:57] » We'll be meeting later in November.