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I would like you would like to move the
approval of the agenda.

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We have a second

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one amendment and that is that the
minutes of the special meeting of

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February 4th be um forwarded to next
week's meeting so that they're recorded

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in our regular meeting and not in the
special meeting. Uh just makes uh filing

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a little bit easier.
Okay. Um

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all those in favor of the um agenda with
the approval sorry um the number five B.

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Okay. Um Adley should it be business
arising or just this new business

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and I believe the Bon policy thing
should go to the regular meeting.

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Is that here next week? Yes.
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transpired with the committee and I
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because we mentioned policy. So I
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just that believe that's what we said in
the meeting. I don't just work here.

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on the other.

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» Yeah.

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» We just leave it like that. Everybody
good with that? We keep the law policy

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update there.
>> Okay. All those in favor of the agenda

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with the amendment seeing say I can say
motion carate.

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uh any disclosures of conflict of
interest.

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Uh we will move into 5A the 2024 28 CCB
the Canada community building funds

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plan. So what we'll do for this is have
a presentation by one

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that is passage that was sent out
tonight

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wasn't the fire to my bones in there.
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» Okay.
>> Almost 3/4 just over halfway down.

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» But I seem to remember the two things
being separate from our email.

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» Yeah. One one was the agenda again and
one the documents of the meeting. But

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no, what I'm saying is the um the um
what the two fire chiefs had put in

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Yeah.
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They're not hearing. We don't have We
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that

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share it. But we're just going to do it
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that works, right?
>> So, which one did you want to have?

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» I just want to thank everybody for
having me here tonight. Let me uh two

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things. One, I just want to give you
just a brief recap of how we got here

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and and why we're, you know, we're
thinking of purchase a new truck.

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um and kind of what we have currently
and then of course the specs and

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same time framing center on the new fire
truck. Um so council and mayor will

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remember that when we back in September
of 2024 we had a uh unfortunately a

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total engine failure in our rescue
truck. So we were responding to a

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medical call uh the motor truck. Um at
the time we looked at different options.

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Uh there's three options if you'll
remember. One was not a great option,

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but it was still an option was to repair
the existing truck. Um we looked into

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it, but unfortunately between putting a
motor in that truck and with it already

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being refurbished once in the past, it
just really wasn't a viable option

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because you were going to have to put
way too much into it for what it's

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worth. So that left two options. one
being a complete new rescue truck which

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again was going to be best part of half
a million dollars even worse now with

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today's news of tariffs. Yay.
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a pumper replacement 2030. So what we
came up with at the time was the idea of

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if we can go a little early on the
purchase of the pumper truck which is

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due in 2030 but in turn save from having
to buy a totally separate rescue truck.

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Um, and then that way avoids the
taxpayers burden of having to pay for

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two fire trucks within a three-year
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you'd be looking at probably best part
of 1.6 to 1.7 million if you're going to

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do true backtoback. Whereas this version
here in theory would save the taxpayers

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of at least probably 5 to $600,000 in
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um, so with that being said, right now
we're down one truck completely. So

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we're down to four. The way it works now
is that we've kind of retrofitted one of

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our pumper trucks, which is typically
used for fighting fire into a makeshift

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rescue truck. And so it's already
happened a few times where we've been

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out on calls when something else will
come in or in one really remote area of

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our coverage area where it's a little
nerve-wracking having, you know, all our

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water in one place or all our tools in
one place, rescue tools, and not having

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uh anything on the other end of town.
So, um, the idea would be to purchase

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this new pumper tanker truck and then
when it arrives, refurbish our current

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2018 pumper into a rescue popper. So, it
would have the option of being a heavy

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duty rescue with all the rescue tools,
jaws of life, uh, medical equipment,

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etc., and the ability to fight fire as
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Uh, so we did reach out to three mark
suppliers.

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uh Maxi Metal of Quebec, which we
already have one of their trucks now.

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Currently, we reached out to Metalf Fab
in New Brunswick and we reached out to

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Ford Gary in uh Calgary, Alberta. Um
everybody makes nice fire trucks and

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there's lots of different companies out
there, but we already have a pumper with

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them and they're able to build exactly
what we want and what we need. And we

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know that it's a good truck because it's
tried and tested and we've had really

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good luck with it. So that's why we we
decided to spec out the truck to Maxi

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Metal Standards.
And so they're based in St. George,

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Quebec. This new truck would be a 2020
freight liner, uh M2106 pumper tanker.

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All M2106 means is it's just the type of
chassis that it is. So uh it would be a

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crew cab chassis, four door seating for
five firefighters.

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It would hold 1700 gallons of water,
which the largest truck we have

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currently is,200 gallons of water. you'd
have 500 more gallons of water capacity.

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Uh the pump rating would be 1500 gallons
per minute, which is 450 more than our

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current truck. Um again, we're looking
at this truck to replace a truck now,

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but we're not just looking at today.
We're looking at next year, 10 years, 20

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years from now. So, I would hope that by
river 20 years from now is booming and

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we have new infrastructure and we have
possibly new apartments or housing and

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stuff. So hopefully
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see happen.
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extra water capacity and pump and stuff
comes into play and looking towards the

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future. And then hydraulic ladder
quarter tank storage rack. Um the less

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you have to climb the top of a truck,
the better for safety reasons,

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especially in winter in this weather
with ice and and dark at night. If you

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don't have to get on top of the truck or
the small little steps, preferably you

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don't. And so now a lot of the newer
trucks have safety at the forefront

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which hydraulic ladders and racks all
come down with the push of a button. So

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everything's accessible from from the
bottom. Uh SCVA seating which is the air

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packs that we use the the breathing
apparatus for four firefighters in the

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cab.

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So this is a sample truck of what we're
looking at. So it's quite similar to

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what we have currently. There's not a
huge amount of difference. There are a

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few though. Um the truck's a few feet
longer, has a bigger tank capacity. Um

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has extended front bumper with a hose in
the front bumper for trash fires, car

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fires, etc. Um the rear of the truck, it
has a dump valve that swivels one way or

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the other. So when we go to a fire, we
have to haul loads of water

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repetitively. What we do is we set up a
portable tank on the ground and we'll

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dump water. So this has the option to
dump from either side of the truck or

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from the rear, which we don't have that
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Uh the racks, you can see they're all
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they push of a button, everything comes
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access to the ladders, tank, hose, etc.
Um, so all in all, it's like I said,

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it's quite similar to what we have. It's
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Give us everything now and for the
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» Okay, so timeline and pricing. So, we
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Source, who Safety Source is the rep for
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current truck we're looking to purchase
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and it's approximately at the halfway
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price tag of $850,000.
The truck itself is right around

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$785,000.

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The $850,000
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equipped. So meaning hose, nozzles,
ladders, bora tank, everything that you

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would need, it comes fully equipped. We
made that I wouldn't say in mistake, but

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we we did that in the last truck we
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We didn't get a single thing on it and
we regretted it after the fact. Because

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if you can include that amount into the
overall price tag at the beginning and

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divide it throughout the payments of the
truck versus buying it all up front from

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your operating budget, it it makes more
sense to do it that way. So we ended up

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having to scramble and just take stuff
from three other trucks to make one

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truck work the last time. So So again,
at 850,000, that's their quote. That's

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their estimate. Um they're hoping to be
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high end. That would be fully equipped
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And this truck is what's considered a
stop program truck. So postcoid, this

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program was developed to help fast drive
a truck in a much shorter time frame

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than a typical custom build. Um if
approved by council now, this truck

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would be completed and delivered to
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So eight months from now, seven months
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Um the stop truck program takes a try
and test the truck and includes all the

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most common options are looking for with
safety at the forefront. So again what

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they did after co is they realized that
things are hard to get things hard to

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keep in stock hard to get ahead of and
the truck was taking anywhere from what

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used to take a year was getting into two
years three years plus and so what's

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happening now is that they realized
that. So Maxi Metal has actually

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purchased over a hundred chassis from
Freightlininer International and

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different companies. They all have them
brought in in stock in different

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configurations and they're building
these trucks in a stock truck program.

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So when fire departments are in a need
for a truck, they basically have the

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bare bones are started, but then from
that point you customize it to the way

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you want it with your own options,
colors, lettering, etc., etc.

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And so reasons we believe council should
act now on this. So there's more than

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one reason but uh we fully understand
there's many other projects capital

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assets that five rivers has to take into
consideration. However, our current

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rescue truck is still completely under
commission even though we converted our

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pumper uh which although is working
right now is not ideal. We're taking

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trucks out of town that normally
wouldn't go out of town all the time and

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we're leaving basically nothing in town
if something else comes in.

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with the looming threat of terrace
places going up from here on out. It's

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no longer looming anymore. When uh when
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it's not looming anymore. It's here.
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manufacturer that so what they've done
is that even though we haven't made a

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decision yet, they have actually this
truck, it's not spoken for yet, but it's

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also not being
I I wouldn't say spec or sold in another

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department. Not that they're holding
this, but they're holding pricing for a

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short period of time until it gives us
time to work out the details on our end.

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Hopefully,
uh, and that being said, that would

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eliminate having to worry about tariffs
going into effect on the equipment side

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of things, which could quickly stop
obviously, but as of right now, it's

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everything's okay. The US EPA or the
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Agency has recently issued their updated
emissions regulations for 2027 to 2020

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2032. These new emission standards will
increase the price of this truck by a

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minimum of $100,000 on the lower side,
more than likely even more.

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» So you're saying it's going to be over
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» I'm going to get to this in the next
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by that. So the US eviction standards.
So, if this currently available stock

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program pump or tanker is not purchased,
a new truck can still be ordered, of

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course, but with a minimum weight time,
they're telling us roughly 28 months.

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Uh, that's on the low end. It could be
up to 36 months. This would put the new

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truck into the time frame of the new
regulations beginning in 2027.

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New diesel engines under these
restrictions will have to operate on a

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DPF or diesel particulate filter system
as soon as the key is turned to the on

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position, even if the truck is not
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new diesel engines. So, diesel engines
in our trucks now are in uh even 3/4

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tons or one ton trucks. They all have um
they use what's called diesel exhaust

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fluid and it collects tailpipe emissions
from the engine. So, what this means

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that as soon as the key is turned on,
death fluid or diesel exhaust fluid will

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be burnt continuously until the truck is
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Currently, when you have a diesel
engine, now what happens is when the

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truck is running, you're not burning
this diesel exhaust fluid right away.

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The temperature has to reach a certain
temperature and then it starts to burn

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this exhaust fluid which contains the
emissions that come out of the tailpipe

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and in theory eliminates emissions that
are put in the environment. What's going

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to happen though with these new systems
is that like it explains when you turn

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the key to the accessory position, not
even on, the motor is going to start

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burning diesel exhaust fluid right away.
And so what's going to happen is and

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people are really starting to panic
about this is that they don't even know

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there's not even so I'm going to get to
that next year. There's currently no

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engine manufacturer in North America
that can even produce an engine of this

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technicality yet. It doesn't exist yet
which again means that the cost of this

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new truck could easily exceed a million
dollars.

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And so that's kind of the goal how I'm
getting behind this now versus just

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waiting because if these intermissions
are effect and you're waiting 36 months

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for a truck, you're going to have no
choice but to fall under these

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standards. And not to mention the
problems that could come with these

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standards because they don't even know
yet how it's going to go for maintenance

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and for uh issues with these motors
because everything that's going to be

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coming out is going to be brand new. So
all the parts are going to be going into

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new builds versus having parts available
for breakdowns etc.

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» I the wrong way then

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» so Warren
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the chassis there so we won't get stuck
with the tariffs on the chassis. So they

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have over a hundred chassis in stock
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» cuz the chassis alone is quite
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» Extremely expensive. The way it's worked
in the past for our last truck, what had

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to happen is you had to pay for the
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» Yeah.
>> Then you pay for the remainder of the

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truck on your livery. The way it works
now, they have it in stock is you don't

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pay anything until So you don't pay
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» for the chassis since they have them in
stock. But he sent me a picture the

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other day of their yard in St. George,
Quebec, and it's as far as the eye can

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see. is just chassis. But that's why
they're doing this is to get ahead of

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this smart mess.
>> And so the last thing um I'll read I'll

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just read it briefly. This is an article
uh that was just published. It's

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published in 2023, but it's been most
recently updated here just a few weeks

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ago. And it's kind of explaining what's
going to happen with these new regul

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regulations. And you see the title and
the chaos that may ensue. And so it's it

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reads, "Oh man, here we go again into
the nightmare of emission regulations,

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which now make earlier US EPA mandates
seem mild in comparison. If you think

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trucks are expensive now, which they
certainly are, just wait until 2027 when

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the raft of very stringent new
regulations take effect in the US and in

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Canada too because we traditionally
follow the American mandates. If only

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because Indian makers engine makers
can't afford to satisfy two different

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mandates.

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Your diesel intro alone will cost you an
extra$25 to $30,000 US and maintenance

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costs, who knows? If you're an owner
operator or small fleet, that may well

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just be the moment you decide to pack it
in. If all small business truckers can't

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afford new compliant trucks, they're
going to stay with older, less efficient

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trucks or leave the industry entirely.
Once again, EPA is largely ignore these

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warnings and concerns raised by truckers
in this latest rule. But even the big

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boys will suffer. At the very least will
there will be a mad scramble to buy

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trucks before these new rules kick in
just as there was 15 years ago prior to

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2007 rules and again in 2010.
This next pre-by will be even more

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widespread and disruptive and just about
everybody I guess will plan to keep

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their trucks longer. Used truck prices
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the EPA published what is called the
strongest ever national clean air

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standards to cut smoke and soot forming
emissions from heavy duty trucks

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beginning with the model year 2027.
The main target is oxides of nitrogen

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and medium heavy duty on highway engines
as well as particulate matter and carbon

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dioxide. One not so small point is that
anxic sensors aren't presently perfectly

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reliable and it's agreed by critics that
they won't be able to handle the new

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demands
if they're even available in sufficient

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quantities.
All in above is bad enough, but it gets

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worse because of the California Air
Resources Board of Car has even more

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stringent set of standards on the books.
So-called ACT rule to regulate

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emissions. See a complicated road ahead?
You betcha. Because the EPA and CAR

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approaches are not fully compatible.
Californians with absolutely no proof

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that these reductions can be done an
unrealistically short time frame for

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manufacturers to comply about half of
what the EPA has proposed. Truck and

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Engine Manufacturers Association says
several heavy duty on highway truck and

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engine producers could actually exit
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the cost associated with these
provisions. Trouble is Washington,

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Oregon, New Jersey, New York,
Massachusetts have all adopted these

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rules with Boston follow.
So I know it's a lot but in theory

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what's happening is this is coming
whether we like it or not. there's

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nothing you can do about it. But at the
same time, you know, if the trucks are

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available and you know, it's what we
want, it's what we need and it's there

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now, we can avoid terrorists, we can
avoid all these regulations, then I

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guess that's our plus. The biggest thing
to remember again is that we are down a

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truck and something something needs to
be replaced.

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» And you know this company,
>> we already have a truck from them

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already because this
>> couldn't be happier. I believe at the

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September meeting when you guys made
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Yes.
>> That they go with the option purchasing

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the new truck.
>> So, if you can get it now, save the

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tariffs and all of that garbage.
>> Do I need to make a motion?

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» No,
>> I don't think we made motion yet.

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» I'm going to make a motion.
>> I have a question. Uh, yeah, I have a

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question in regards to this and your
specs and a quote. Has anybody sourced

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with canoe?
>> You have to get your chassis from the

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US. What he's saying is it's already
here and we're not going to pay the

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tariff on it.
>> They've got a quote from a company on

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their own as a recent fire department.
Has anybody gone through canoe? Three

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other communities are getting fire
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» Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah. Why are we not going through

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canoe?
>> That's a company. I was going to say

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could just
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of municipal um municipalities of New
Brunswick and they it's like an

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insurance company or whatever they they
source um for all of the municipalities

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and they're called canoe.
>> Okay.

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» And so Kelly saying that um fire engines
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» all big equipment, heavy duty equipment.
and you give them the specs of what it

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is you want and who your perhaps choice
is,

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» but have them go back to the table and
deal for you

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» because Canoe could possibly get you
something from that metal cheaper.

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» A lot cheaper.
>> Exact same thing you're ordering.

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» They have buying power, but you don't.
>> My my only question to that is

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» what's that going to do for the time
>> frame? Time frame.

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» You'd have to ask them.
>> Yeah. an icy wet warranty.

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» No, it's
something they've already gone through.

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So,
>> as far as red tape goes,

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» we brought this last meeting. I mean,
>> I'm constantly burning up.

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» Yeah, you are. Um, but I know they trust
Maxi Metal because they got a truck from

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there before, but and as I believe we
agreed to in that meeting, I asked which

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is which solution best suits the fire
department purchasing the new vehicle? I

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thought we'd agreed then.
>> I thought it was consensus on that

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particular drum.
>> Yeah. But I don't think we took the

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motion.
>> Yeah.

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» No,
>> I asked them about canoe and to go back

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and get a quote because I wouldn't do
anything without hearing about

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» so I can tell you there was no motion.
>> Well, I did that one with them.

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» Yeah.
maximum

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» I I'm unfamiliar with with the
purchasing channel the canoe provides

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there's two elements one is time
sensitive to with we can look in the

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canoe when I say it's time sensitive and
say that quickly I think what Warren is

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saying is that we're now whatever was
done or not done in the past you're now

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down to a handful of weeks probably
before you can lock this in it goes for

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all other agencies to explain whether
canoe is operating presumably as a

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middleman because canoe sells a full and
broad range of services, fire trucks,

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everything from like chairs and tables,
computers and those things.

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» Whether they ultimately would provide
some advantage, I wouldn't. The

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particulars of the three you cited, I'm
unfamiliar with. So, it could be that

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they would have some play in here. Uh I
did do procurement for a telecom company

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for a long time for years. Um it's to be
determined whether they would actually

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provide some sort of discount those uh
or whether they'd facilitate this trade.

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Ultimately, they don't manufacture
trucks, the ones that the one that he's

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outside the manufacturer. So, um they
have buying power, but we're buying a

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one off and we're small town probably
wouldn't would buy one every four or

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five years. So, that's all to say that
they may or may not provide any

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advantage in here. The challenge is
whether getting them involved in this

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stage would become an obstruction or
delay the process in a way in which we

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lose an opportunity to buy what does
seem to be a a good deal. But I mean

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that said we can
>> we can see the other thing is that the

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town like we' also looked at Canon
Heartland but we didn't sign up with not

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we just didn't get to the point of
looking we we're aware that others if

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you look at ambian or there's a lot of
pain or random using for certain things

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and um the challenge is that's probably
the longer term play to establish

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relationship with community that not
just for this room or other things. So

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yeah, it's something we can take back
and look at, but uh I yeah, its

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applicability here is questionable.
>> Rob, could you make a phone call to

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Canoe
on it week or 10 days, see if they can

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do anything with this and at the end of
that tell Warren or you call Maxi Medal

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and say
>> because the other communities in New

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Brunswick are only getting a truck, too.
So they're still going through canoe.

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» It can't hurt to make a phone call, can
it? And if it's going to save us money

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but get you what you want.
>> Yeah.

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» It's a win-win.
>> One thing I will mention as well is that

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Maximal So we there's three companies we
did reach out to.

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Unfortunately, Maximal is the only
company that does a stop program. So the

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other two were basically I wouldn't say
they're out of the picture, but in my

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opinion, we might as well say they're
out of the picture for that reason is

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that yeah, you could order through
another company, but

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» because the chassis is expensive.
>> Chassis is expensive and I know if if

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you miss out, I know it's going to lump.
Not only that, but they don't like these

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other manufacturers,
they don't make a trip to those specs in

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a stock truck program. The other thing
too is Maxi Metal has what's called

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their their current Sourcewell. I don't
know if anyone's ever heard of Source

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Well. It's a consortium purchasing
company. So it's quite similar to Canoe.

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» So we asked about that at the beginning.
Is that is that something that's more

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beneficial to us to pursue or not? and
they said that for somewhere like um

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city of Toronto for example where you're
you know you have a fleet of

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140 fire trucks then that's something
where someone obviously doesn't have the

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time to sit down and source out truck
after truck after truck because it'd be

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a full-time job. So what it is is they
go through these purchasing companies

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where they source it. They take care of
all the

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» the the leg work and then they present
it to them. Whereas with us, like you

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said, it's not that, like you said, some
couldn't. It's just that it's something

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to look into. And then if it's something
that's going to delay it by months or

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that it's not going to be a a a
financial benefit to us by going through

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them, then
>> but you've done all the ground work. You

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got to do is give them the code. You
already received everything you want,

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all the specs, and just say, "Hey, can
you do better?"

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» Yeah. because I was until I saw these
documents today and saw this

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presentation before I left home. I can
say I was honestly surprised because I

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thought we had already agreed that you
guys go ahead and get a new truck and

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I'm sitting here thinking that was six
months ago. Now there's tariffs. Now the

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price has gone up.
>> Uhoh. Like you guys can't be down the

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truck.
>> No. And that's that's kind of our my

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hope coming tonight was that we
>> like this has been nights and weekends

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and evenings and stuff and we've been
putting a lot into it. So we've been

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» studying everything going through the
specs. This will be our third meeting

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with the company. We've been on the
phone with other suppliers throughout

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the country and stuff and we did the
labor like you said

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» that part is all done. So, as far as
when it comes down to dollars and cents,

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if for some reason that they're able to
have a benefit to us through this, by

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all means, I'm 100% open for that. If
though that it's going to, then that

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would be my
>> spec meet your specs. Exactly.

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» And time frame has to be a time. And
right now, he's saying that they're

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forgiving the tariffs right now.
>> No, because they're not forgiving it.

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They already have them here. Well, he is
not.

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» No, but you're right in the way. So,
they they are forgiving the tariffs on

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the equipment.
>> Yeah.

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» For he said he's going to give us a few
weeks. So, by a few weeks, I would say

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like probably mid to late March would be
the probably the longest they can push

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that forward. But all the equipment that
they receive that they wouldn't have all

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that sitting on shelves. Obviously,
they're going to have to get some. So,

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the more that they have to bring in if
it's tariff, then the more that's going

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to drive. So, can I make a motion that
we ask Rob to call canoe

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» um and find out if
>> that if this is, you know, we'll find

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beneficial if it can help or if it can't
help

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» and get an answer and if they say no,
then we give him the go-ahhead to order

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what he's got right up there.
>> I'll second it.

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» But I would like to say too little
there's a time frame. they can't be uh

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» and I'm sure in one or two phone calls
you're going to get the answer. I think

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whoever you talk to with canoe is going
to be able to say yes, we can help with

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this or unfortunately no we can't. I
don't think it's going to be a

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wishy-washy with Canoe because they know
what they cover and they don't cover it.

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But can it hurt to make a phone call?
>> If it's going to save us50 or $100,000

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for example,
>> why not? But if they can't or they're

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not answering us, then we have to
>> in theory you have a council meeting

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next Tuesday.
>> Yep.

410
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» In theory by then.
>> Yes.

411
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:54,559
» In a perfect world to hear something
representative of canoe that could say

412
00:30:52,640 --> 00:31:00,480
» yes we can definitely help you with this
or not a whole lot we can do. Please,

413
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:04,320
please tell the members that we're all
on board for you getting a new truck and

414
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,720
we misunderstood because we thought in
September

415
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:11,919
that we agreed to do that apparently.
>> You did motion to purchase it, but you

416
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,200
said that this you were
>> agreed in favor of that.

417
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360
» Okay.
>> The CR.

418
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:28,240
So anyway, tell the fire department
>> that is what we want for you guys that

419
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:33,840
we're on your side for what that is and
just explain. Rob's going to call you

420
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:37,120
» and then we'll have an answer. Like I
said, I don't think it'll be a big long

421
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,200
conversation.
>> No, as a as a minor note, as a caution

422
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,360
to council, I warn any counselor speak
on behalf of councilman about the

423
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:50,159
support within their big motion
predating it.

424
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:55,039
you would be able to confirm just saying
the val you'd be able to validate that

425
00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:00,080
unanimous by vote not by
>> an unspoken assumption that

426
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,640
» um that there's support. So you do want
to

427
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,399
» preface that.
>> Yeah. So

428
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:09,840
» So do we
>> just make a motion for you to call canoe

429
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,519
and then
>> I you don't need a motion to do that.

430
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:16,880
Okay. No
talk about that. We'll figure out how

431
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,399
out when we follow up
>> and bring it to next meeting.

432
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:24,960
» Yeah. For next meeting, we'll we'll know
whether it's a viable path forward with

433
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:30,640
canoe versus the route that has already
been taken with the source of the

434
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:37,120
decision. So it'll be
>> that would be my request if possible by

435
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:42,679
then at least if we could
>> that way I can give him feedback on

436
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,679
their end of what

437
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,799
» we're supposed to be.
>> Okay. So thank you really appreciate it.

438
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:58,320
Okay.
>> Next

439
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:03,120
have a presentation. It's
>> 850. You said it from

440
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,600
» Perry. Okay. We're going to spend
$850,000.

441
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:12,960
Chief Perry, please say no. We're
running out of money.

442
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:17,399
Got some sheep dogs
down the road.

443
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:17,399
» Oh,

444
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,880
just before he starts
>> the EPA.

445
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,240
» Yeah.
>> Is no longer going to be in existence in

446
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,279
about six months
>> as far as regulations for Yeah.

447
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,279
» So I don't know how

448
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:41,120
» we'll see how that goes.
>> Yeah. I think the only as a minor point

449
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:46,640
of information I'll I'll at some risk
>> if you're meaning that the EPA is being

450
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,279
decommissioned by the federal branch of
the

451
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:53,919
» it falls back to the states California
would still

452
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:58,240
» almost all regulations that are enacted
in California become law in the United

453
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:02,000
States with or without BPA because the
buying power and the size of California

454
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,840
which is why you sort of heard that's
true across the board ultimately so that

455
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:10,440
is to say those regulations
Even with probably don't go away

456
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,480
» or you can just switch

457
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:42,240
» I just format it ever so slightly in
that the same no contact sheets.

458
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:47,200
» So for the past several years we've been
putting plans together for like a 10

459
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:51,280
year plan and
we we've already had this in place. Uh

460
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:56,320
there's some costing I've get in some of
the places and some costing I don't have

461
00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:00,160
it. And the reason for the cost was I
didn't go get cost on windows doors and

462
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:04,320
stuff because I wanted to see if it
would fit into the the council's plans

463
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,240
for going forward. So some of the stuff
was no cost and there's not a big panic.

464
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:13,520
Stuff that should be done. Time frame is
not not important. We start off with a

465
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:18,400
cardboard station.
We had uh we need windows replaced here.

466
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,800
They're wooden windows and they're
pretty well done. And there's not many.

467
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:24,560
There's only a few of them in the
building.

468
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:30,160
We talked about adding mini splits in
the training area and also painting the

469
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:33,599
truck bays and then my option for mini
split in in the truck bays which we

470
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,640
would have to get somebody to see if
it's even feasibly pulling

471
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,440
» because right now we run electric and
oil.

472
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,680
» Yeah, oil is really expensive.
>> Yeah,

473
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:48,400
» but the mini splits work pretty well. So
that's there's not a lot to be done.

474
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:54,119
That's that's for the hardboard station
over the next few years. So, we'll move

475
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,119
on to Beersville.

476
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:03,040
This is cost and this this has to be
done in 2026. Our roof is getting pretty

477
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:07,839
bad and that is a a cost and I got from
a contractor $29,000. That's that's

478
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:13,119
today's prices. So, of course, if tariff
goes in next year, it could be $36,000.

479
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:17,920
You don't know. That's today's prices.
And uh people have asked me to put steel

480
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,200
on, but the way our building is, our
building is in

481
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,480
Yeah,
>> the peak comes down towards doors.

482
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,920
» So, if you put steel on, there's a
better chance to put put snow on the

483
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,920
doors and if you don't hold it right
away, it just gets like cement.

484
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,560
» You can put stoppers, but then you're
going to put a load on your sealant,

485
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:38,160
too, right? So,
>> I mean, shingles, we put them on. These

486
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,720
lasted for 17 or 18 years. So, put
another set of sh on. So, that's that

487
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,119
should be in the budget for next year
budget. Uh the windows in the in the

488
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,119
building, this is more of a cosmetic
thing to me than than it is an important

489
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:57,040
thing, but all the seals broken on the
windows. They are reling

490
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,920
the glasses and they're from Global
Windows. I checked the restore. There's

491
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,320
no wash.
>> So that's something that doesn't have to

492
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,119
be done as cosmetic. Uh like I said,
there's no pricing on these. Just

493
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:11,599
because I said we could make a pricing
and decide to put them in it works in

494
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:16,800
your budget, 28, 29, 30, really doesn't
matter. There's no hurry for that. Um,

495
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,560
our ceilings are high in the fire
station. We find it cool down around the

496
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,880
trucks, but up top of the trucks when
you load no is very hot. So, we thought

497
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,640
we put a couple of industrial fans in
there to circulate the air on the

498
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:37,000
heating too, right? Did your uh your
thermostat stuff down low there. That's

499
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,000
all for the be station.

500
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:56,160
So M1 is our tandem tanker and it's due
to be uh replaced in 20 20.

501
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,359
» Yeah. Um
but it's not a firstline truck and the

502
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:03,200
trucks today are lasting better than the
older trucks with the old GMs and all

503
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,000
the trucks that left the bed truck in
bed. So on this truck here, we would

504
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:14,400
reassess it and and I guess be to
replace 2029 and in 2032, we would we

505
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,440
would look at it in to be see if it
would still pass. And we're thinking

506
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,400
it's going to it had the motor rebuild
in it once at a cost of $45,000 just to

507
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:28,720
rebuild the motor. So the truck is still
in good shape.

508
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,760
» How old is it?
>> How old is it?

509
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:38,480
» What year?
>> Six years. uh 2009, but we got it in

510
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:43,119
2010. Okay.
So, 20 years 20 years of life. Your

511
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:47,680
first responder truck can't be any older
than 20 years out of the graves. So,

512
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:51,760
it's no longer a first responding truck.
It's a backup tank or what it is, but

513
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:57,040
it's a bumper tank, too. We can fight
tires and everything.

514
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Also, engine two will need tires in
2034. Now

515
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,359
I don't know if it's CSA that does that
but in the province in a bunch you can't

516
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:10,480
tires on a truck any longer 10 years so
they have to be replaced so we put some

517
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,599
cost in there in 2034 engine roughly
these are all today's prices still you

518
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:18,640
don't know will happen right
>> 10 years from now they're $1,000 for

519
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:23,839
tires today
>> engine three and hardware station need

520
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:26,839
to be based in 2829
uh

521
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,960
stand out.
Yeah, it's got to be replaced. It's it's

522
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,680
a first truck out in our city, so it has
to be replaced. It's going to be just

523
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:40,000
going to be 20 years old, so it has to
be replaced. And the cost of that it

524
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:43,520
would cost roughly today's price is
around $600,000.

525
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,200
» Parkplace hanger.
>> What's that?

526
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,920
» Is it a pump?
>> Pump tanker. Yeah.

527
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:56,640
So, that's something we have to work on.
Uh Rescue 4 is another truck that uh uh

528
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,400
is going to be assessed in 2032. It's
it's life is on death at 20 years flat.

529
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:06,079
This is another truck that can be put
off. It could even run on probably as

530
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:11,280
high as 25 years, 30 years. Okay. Just a
just it's not a bumper truck. It's just

531
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:19,839
all it is that we pull balls.
So, and tanker nine stars in 2030.

532
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Now, just to say in in 20
in 2029,

533
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:31,760
the beers station is paid off. So
there's payment gone there. In 2030,

534
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:37,599
Tanker 9 is paid off there. Also in
2018, Rescue 4 is paid off. So that's

535
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:44,480
that's allow that's freeing up
$300,000 cash. So to buy a truck in

536
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:51,200
2829, you're looking at probably then to
$130,000 payment. So it's not as if it's

537
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,359
going to cost you any more today than
it's costing right now.

538
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,800
We always replace our trucks as one
truck was paid off, they rolled into

539
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,520
another truck because if you never let
the taxes go down, you would never get

540
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,960
them back up again. So the province
always go to another truck.

541
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:14,960
And this is our schedule for for uh
changing equipment. There's our trucks

542
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:20,079
and stuff. And the other ones are half
done such as the 2012 Silverado. It's

543
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:25,440
it's to be determined. Them are small
purchases that can be done. uh at the

544
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:30,319
time whether we need to whether it has
been done or not. So there's really no

545
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:34,920
schedule on them trucks and four-wheeler
and there's a Zodiac motor truck

546
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:50,800
and see this is this is a big thing here
2000

547
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:56,079
2026 are not certifying anymore 2216.
So what that means is right now we run

548
00:41:52,880 --> 00:42:01,040
2216 Scott air packs. Uh they're only
going to start reertifying

549
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:07,960
4500 Scott air packs. So the air packs
we have now are stol. We're going to

550
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,960
lose three of them in 2033

551
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:15,200
to u
and we're going to lose the rest of

552
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,280
them. I've got 12 packs. So we have nine
packs left. They're good to 208.

553
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:24,880
The problem is we're running out of
bottles. All the stuff has shelf life on

554
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:28,000
it. So we can't we can't stock up on
stuff. So we have to we have to buy the

555
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,560
stuff when you're going to use it
because if you buy 15 if you buy today

556
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,599
in 15 years is no good. So you would
lose 5 years. You're going to change

557
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:39,040
2030.
And the standards on the Scott airact

558
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:43,200
doesn't go by how old you are. It goes
on the standard you bought. So NFPA

559
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,319
standard which that's what we run out of
the province. I don't know if council is

560
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,319
going to run into that or not. That's
something that policy you want to figure

561
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,520
out. But there were three standard back.
So if you buy at the first of the

562
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,880
standard, you've got 15 years in your
pack. If you buy the last of the

563
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:01,040
standard, you've only 11 years on your
pack and it's still the same price. It's

564
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,319
a stupid system they have, but that's
the system they got. So if you're going

565
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:09,920
to run NFPA standards, uh, work safe
compun really doesn't have anything on

566
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:16,960
that. They got some talking about
breathing air and wearing masks and and

567
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:21,119
shaving beards and that kind of stuff.
So there was two options that we put

568
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:29,520
down here. One option was
is uh if we buy bottles today, start

569
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:34,560
buying them from now till 2033,
uh we would have enough bottles to last

570
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:40,240
us to 2038. So our Scott air packs would
be good to 2038.

571
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:45,720
» Okay. If we don't buy bottles today,
then our our stuff is going to run in 20

572
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,720
in 2033.

573
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,359
Yeah. But if you're going to go if
you're going to go to this new standard,

574
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,960
new standard is going to be 2031 or
2032.

575
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:59,520
That's when the new standard starts. So
you're better off to buy starting a new

576
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,920
standard than buy. And the problem is
with with

577
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:09,599
going from 2260 and 20 4500s, nothing
matches.

578
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:12,800
Okay. So, you can't do that. So, if you
decided to buy a few packs now and a few

579
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,560
balls now, first thing we have to
replace for sure

580
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,280
and then you're going to have equipment
that's not that's not going to match.

581
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:24,960
So, in a volunteer department, I find it
you might have stuck as simple as you

582
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,480
possibly can. People don't get confused.
You grab the bag and grab a ball. Now,

583
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,280
this ball go
find a ball.

584
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,680
» You're kind of busy.
>> I was burn.

585
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,240
» So, what's your suggestion? What would
you

586
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:44,160
» don't think it really matters a whole
lot to me. These are today's prices. So,

587
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,240
one thing I thought about today was we
we could always purchase a compressor

588
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,079
earlier. It's roughly around $40,000.
Maybe we can buy it for the end of the

589
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:57,280
week and then you can save too.
>> But, u

590
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,160
we could turn it down 4500 which when
our compressor pumps up today and then

591
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,680
we'd have a compression for six hours.
That's something that you could use

592
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:08,000
today to do that which I just thought
about that today.

593
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:12,960
So to me there's really I think the best
way is is is your goal when you're

594
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,960
putting your capital all together where
is this going to fit in to work on it.

595
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:21,760
Your 20 bottles going to cost you
$30,000. If you buy the bottles then

596
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:26,000
you're good to 2030.
We've got 12 packs now and we feel we

597
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:30,640
back we can go down to nine and we still
be good nine packs because we feel if

598
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,880
you get eight guys inside air packs then
you're not going to have many guys left.

599
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:40,000
do the other and be done.
So that's one option. The other option

600
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:44,480
was to buy all in in 2031 2032 where
cost of today's prices are actually

601
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:49,200
done. So with the change you have to
change all of it like

602
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,839
» there's cost balls the big yellow balls
we have change them change in our rescue

603
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,920
» the whole everything's ever changed
>> like the thing that

604
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,640
» everything the mask everything
>> everything

605
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,920
» does it have to be like Scott
>> and there's something there too because

606
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:08,960
I told the guy when he told me this I
said well if we're changing everything

607
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,319
now we can go to look at NSA we can go
to Scott we can go to Gregor and you

608
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:17,280
know I can't think of
four of them. We just switched to MSA

609
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,760
our last order we just got to 4500s and
then that's because they're get them a

610
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:26,720
little cheaper and apparently everyone
says they're really good quality. So we

611
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,839
kept going for it was always upgrade and
you would upgrade but now you're going

612
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:32,640
to you go decide to go new with
everything then you have the option to

613
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,000
switch
>> and I think they're all up to the

614
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,319
standard doesn't matter standard so
they're all safe

615
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:47,280
if you buy if if we decide to go on
buying the bottles to last to 2038 we've

616
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:51,280
got to start doing that this year. So
what would we do? Would we buy two or

617
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:57,359
three bottles now? Three more bottles to
2033. When we get to 2033, we'll have

618
00:46:53,760 --> 00:47:02,079
spent 20 or 30,000 or
>> 30,000.

619
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:04,880
You might be up to 35 to 40,000 by the
time you're done. But that will get us

620
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,280
to 2038.
>> We still get our spot max tested. It's

621
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:14,079
just that it's just that Scott aviation
is not or NFPA is not doing tested on

622
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:18,800
2260.
They say that we need 4500s in order to

623
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:23,680
come up to the standard.
>> So that 30,000 would be spread out over

624
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:27,760
five years or eight years or whatever
>> from now till 2832

625
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:33,160
» and then that changes the bottom number
again when we have to change everything.

626
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,160
» Yeah.

627
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:44,440
» Good. Either or it's gonna cost
>> Oh, only thing is about that time Trump

628
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,440
should be billing.

629
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:52,319
» Come down when they
>> So that's the option there. That's

630
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,800
something I think that maybe fit into
your plans and go through your numbers.

631
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,200
» Yeah,
>> because it really doesn't make any

632
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:02,319
difference to us. I mean, our packs are
all good. They all work. They test every

633
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:05,319
year. So, we bet no problem.
Any

634
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,640
questions on that? I know kind of
confusing, but

635
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,400
turnup gear. We're always we're always
buying new turnout gear just to keep up.

636
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,079
And
>> we've started something the last two

637
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:26,160
years getting all my interior fires two
turnout gear because now we have to send

638
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:30,240
our turnout gear away to get tested
which is gone for a weekend. It needs

639
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:32,960
repairs gone a little bit longer. Also,
every time you have a structure fire

640
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,319
now, usually into the building, you have
to take and clean your suits and wash

641
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,000
them. And so, I take time to dry. So,
once we get our our interior

642
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,640
firefighters, then we'll be buying suits
for them every five years. So, we'll

643
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,400
have a suit because they're only for 10
years, right? So, every five years

644
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,319
you'll be able to get new suits. So, and
then the other suits just as needed. We

645
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:57,319
have a lot of firefighters that don't do
interior.

646
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,319
» 3500 per per

647
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:02,800
» Yeah. for one
>> your helmets and your gloves and even

648
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,800
your boots don't they don't last anyway
they're always changing over your gloves

649
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:11,359
changing over your your helmet's good
for 10 years let's not be this would be

650
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:16,000
purchased this year here
>> this today's cost too by the way

651
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,680
» that's just the jacket and the pants
>> jacket jacket

652
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,359
» now there is cheaper there is cheaper
but we've been buying the set and we've

653
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:29,200
got the set where we want it now so we'd
like to stay with as far as SCBAS we can

654
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,480
to tender the prices and stuff and even
with fire truck I mean you can look into

655
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,440
that too but our turnout here is
something that that we like that who we

656
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,559
buy from this
>> year's

657
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,040
all that
>> what's that

658
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,559
» I'm wondering about canoe for all of
that if what you're saying is right with

659
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:50,160
you know everything that's going to be
outdated it's not just going to affect

660
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,960
us it's going to affect every single
fire department so I'm thinking that

661
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,760
canoe must be all over this
>> so

662
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:00,720
» and they can go to multi the uh emails
and get quotes,

663
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,760
» but where we're going longer term.
>> Only thing is I need an answer my budget

664
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:07,040
time on the Scott bottles. We just
started buying Scott B. We're not going

665
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:13,440
to do it. So, I'm not buying anymore.
>> 20 33 or stuff behind

666
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:17,520
good air packs, but bottles for them and
the stuff you can't even give away. I

667
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:22,440
try to do
>> we end up donating to Dominican. So,

668
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,559
» it's good for us long term. There's no
problem going whatever whatever works

669
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,800
for council not as long as we get
equipment but I could see more on the

670
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,800
point that
>> he's

671
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:42,160
so that's all I got that's that's our
plan that's a big expenditures

672
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,680
» questions for Chief Perry
on the windows I know you said you

673
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,800
talked to global but I
>> didn't talk to global I just think that

674
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:54,240
they are from global
>> I know but I know someone that put those

675
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,559
windows in and they did replace them not
in the

676
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Maybe it's a big trouble with that.
>> Maybe

677
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:06,800
the seals.
>> Yes.

678
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:14,240
» I just went through the paperwork last
week and it was only 10 years on that.

679
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:18,160
» 15 years on the on the vinyl. 15 or 18
years on the vinyl.

680
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,760
» And the building's only 18 years old.
>> But that's not a big expense. If you

681
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,000
change all the windows, you're probably
$5,000. So they want to change. They

682
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,319
just
>> to me it's cosmetic. People said, "Why

683
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,440
didn't you get it done?"
>> Does it condense in between the glass?

684
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,160
» Yeah.
>> But that was

685
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,040
also heat escapes.
So

686
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,240
» yeah. Does it ever turn the heat?
>> 85% of your heat. He lost her windows

687
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,559
and doors
>> by turning the heat down too.

688
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,559
» But that's the plan.

689
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:57,760
» The stuff was the only one. The only
thing is the spider decision

690
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,400
budget
>> and we need a truck.

691
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:07,240
» The roof should be done next.
>> Yeah.

692
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:17,599
» And you said there's a truck that needs
to be done when

693
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,760
» replaced. 289
>> 28 29.

694
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,359
» Which one?
>> Engine 3 and hardwork.

695
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:28,319
» Oh. Same thing you want.
>> Yeah. And I we'll probably build it the

696
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:32,160
same as same as what Beersville is. We
just our trucks identical.

697
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,319
» We know where the
>> we tried to match them up when we bought

698
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:41,040
this one here. We went see their their
truck and build so we could do 100%. So

699
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,040
» cuz one was a freight line, one was an
international

700
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,880
» and we're going to get caught with
terror. So we're going to get caught. We

701
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,079
need so
>> maybe

702
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,160
like you.
>> Thank you very much.

703
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Keith
>> said you're welcome to skip the next

704
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:04,520
part because we're kind of be talking
into the CCF

705
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,520
» Canada Community Building Fund

706
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,119
just before World

707
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:22,559
Canada building in front used to be
called the Amash and

708
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:27,119
it is always is typically a subset for
any given municipality a subset of their

709
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:34,400
capital plan
is the system plan. So the federal

710
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:40,960
government uh through the province uh
administers the program uh our

711
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:48,640
administrator in Canada Laria or sorry
in New Brunswick Laria you deal with and

712
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:55,920
uh so there was a plan for 2014 2019 23
and 24 28 and uh

713
00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:00,160
it's for capital purchases so it's not
for operating expenditures repair and

714
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:04,960
maintenance and so forth. There needs to
be capital assets you purchase. So if

715
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:11,359
you just go forward as one now actually
yeah um so the 2019 23 in the course of

716
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:15,200
speaking to Luke about our 2428 plan
which they do you can see there's not

717
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:21,520
submitted or there's not one on file
with the province. Um we did have a 2019

718
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,800
23 plan but two of the three projects
have not been started. So, if you look

719
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:30,400
at your council package, you don't need
to open this now, but I did include a

720
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:35,760
copy of the actual 2019 23 plan. There's
three projects in it. The first one on

721
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:41,200
page four is the California Road
upgrades that was completed. Um the

722
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:47,280
second one, Brain Street upgrade for
200,000 was not completed.

723
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:52,319
» And the third project on page six was
the it just says various municipal road

724
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:58,880
upgrades. That was not completed. So,
what Luke said is that um

725
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:03,599
that money has to be allocated through
this five-year program. So, our five

726
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:07,520
year we either we can do the projects
that are listed there as two and three

727
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:12,720
or we can remove those because they're
not started um and replace them with one

728
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:19,680
project, three project, whatever,
however many to spend that roughly

729
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:25,520
290,000 or so extending it. And um
what we can't do is transfer that money

730
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:31,760
to the 2420 had just add it to the 2428
plan. So the 881,000 that has been

731
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:37,599
allocated to fire 2428 must stay in the
202428

732
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:42,960
and you cannot absorb or um or or add in
the 286 that's in the 2019 23 plan which

733
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,880
is not that big a deal. You just pick
projects that add up to that and put

734
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:52,000
them in. Uh but for council's
information, we will next week where our

735
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:57,280
plan is to my plan is to um update the
20 23 2019 23 plan. I will check with

736
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Luke. I'll send it to him before the
council meeting and see that it's more

737
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,040
or less okay.
We'll add in projects and we'll do the

738
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,880
same with the 2428, give him a preview
of it, which is pretty normal just to

739
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,720
see the council approves it. Then you
find out you can't do something in there

740
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:17,520
and then it's creates another loop. You
have to go back and update it again. So,

741
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:22,000
and just as a note I've made before, the
2428 plan, 50% of the last year's

742
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:27,280
allocation
uh was held and will be continue to be

743
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:32,720
held until they receive the 24 to 28
plan. So, it's going to go to the next

744
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:39,040
slide.
What I'm roughly proposing, but is that

745
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:43,119
the 286,9
roughly that's there you could keep the

746
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:48,400
breakthrough project. You will notice
it's 200 in there. Um

747
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,079
I was talking to the mayor a little bit
earlier about this. That could be

748
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,680
another street. That is something we can
discuss. I think we identified church

749
00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:01,760
and school maybe as the highest
priorities. Um but the ad there is that

750
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:06,319
um you keep that street, keep project
two andor change the street that you

751
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,880
were going to do. Although great is a
good candidate for work as well. Uh I

752
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:17,040
would propose that you replace project
three with new community projects. So

753
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:21,920
what we talked before council is u
beersville claville community center. Um

754
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:27,680
there's they would like to have concrete
pad for the rinkage gravel. Now that

755
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:31,839
would be about 50k the bass river hall.
Uh they want a wheelchair accessible

756
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:36,720
ramp and stairs. Their current ramp and
stairs shouldn't be very bad here. Uh

757
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,240
that' be 35. And for Greenwood Lodge,
there's bathroom rep rates. Make sure

758
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:47,680
again wheelchair accessibility as well
as front steps like on preeps 25.

759
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,480
Those are not super firm uh estimates in
the sense that they're based on quotes

760
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:53,920
and that sort of thing. That's not the
case. They are estimates, but they're

761
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,880
pretty fair estimates. I don't think
they'll go north or south too badly. And

762
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:03,119
to the extent that they will um within
that you know spend there could be you

763
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,040
know pluses and minuses that have to
come out to about that total of 110 and

764
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:13,839
or you cover through operating
expenditures. Um then I'm done in there.

765
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:20,799
You could also add in project 4 new
project in that if you had um and this

766
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:26,559
is fluid. You could make the 150 180 and
not do the fourth in that within the 23

767
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:32,799
plan. But I thought I did for the sake
of getting to the figure I had 30 in

768
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,720
there against the Beersville roof which
>> the community center.

769
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,040
» No, no, that's
roof. do that. Now, that does sort of

770
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,160
start to play with the line of
difference between repair and

771
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:48,799
maintenance and asset. I'd have to check
with Luke to see whether that was fully

772
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:57,119
eligible. I think it will be, but that
does poke towards the line a bit. Um,

773
00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:02,960
» so that would take care of the 2019 23
between and you could say for like a

774
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:06,720
street upgrade and then um the community
projects

775
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:09,040
» that owns up to the 286.
>> Yeah. All those

776
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:14,880
» four projects. Okay.
>> Yeah. Now, the other the other note

777
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:18,400
about that is that um uh for the in case
you're wondering, when we're doing

778
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:23,839
projects for a third party organization,
nonprofit, all of the transactions run

779
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:28,880
through us. So, we would do the quoting,
we would do the uh we would get the

780
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:31,599
quotes, we pick the vendor, we do the
payments, it would all root through the

781
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:35,760
town. It would not root through those
organiz that would be you can drift them

782
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,359
through, but it creates more
complications. completely advised that

783
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,000
each of the town should just do itself.
It keeps it simpler and keeps you out of

784
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,960
trouble anymore.
>> Sounds good.

785
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:53,119
» So, just on the um two things again, the
grade street upgrade that street so that

786
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:57,680
we can do that
like with 150,000 obviously.

787
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:02,559
» Well, it depends on what you do. So you
could if you I mean if you did repaving

788
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,640
I think the original scope had like a
removal of sidewalk and then there was

789
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,119
repaving and do the full length. You
could also do part of the street.

790
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:14,720
There's nothing says you have to do the
whole street. We I don't any not to keep

791
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:17,920
on saying I but we had a long street but
we only did about a quarter of them. We

792
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:22,160
did it two years consecutively because
we couldn't afford to do it all in one

793
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:25,599
year. But um in any event uh there are
options there but you could also switch

794
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:28,559
out the church or school.
>> Yeah. You know, there's another thing

795
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,319
with school. I was going to mention to
pay after

796
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,799
» the problem. There's a problem with
school.

797
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:39,359
» What is it?
>> Well, with the buses and and drop off

798
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,799
some pickups, there's like it needs to
be wide.

799
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:42,880
» Terrible.
>> It's not not wide enough.

800
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,440
» No way.
>> No way.

801
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,480
» Does it have a sidewalk?
>> Yes.

802
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:52,240
» Yeah.
>> It has a pull in

803
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:56,799
to get into detail, but it's future
thing. Yes. Beautiful springs and you

804
01:00:54,799 --> 01:01:01,599
can't go away.
But the other thing too, so uh the Lions

805
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:04,880
Club, they requested upgrades to their
kitchen.

806
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,920
» What I did here was because these are
all external organizations. The Lions

807
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,520
Club, while it's still an external
organization, it's our building, right?

808
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:17,599
» So these are not our building. So I lump
these together because a community uh

809
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:23,520
upgrade project for things that are not
in that we do not own. So buildings we

810
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,440
don't.
And then the other thing I mentioned off

811
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:30,079
the top the counselor is that this is
not the sum total of all the capital

812
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,359
work we'll do and there's actually in
the last slide I mentioned there's still

813
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:38,799
money we we have through reserves and
savings we can allocate this is simply

814
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:44,799
this is what I thought would be more an
approach to resolving or closing off

815
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:49,359
2019 23 and then as well you'll see 20
20 uh uh 24 to 28 becomes relatively

816
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:53,119
simple when you factor in the two trucks
to be purchased and and that was

817
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,760
intentional because now trucks with
first time are allowed under CCBF and

818
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:02,640
the purchase of those two trucks would
essentially uh that would that would

819
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:04,480
take care of the 881 plus and they'll
I'll explain how the

820
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:08,319
» next slide.
>> Yeah.

821
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:13,839
Yeah. Yeah.
>> So with 2024 2028 we have 881 to

822
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:20,960
allocate. So you buy the rubber trainer
for Rex and 825 and look if there's play

823
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:28,640
the numbers if it's 25 for but in any
event um it was 525 from CCBF and 8 300

824
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:32,240
from source so that would be from
reserves that we already have and this

825
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:36,640
will be by next year that you would have
it. So we had for example now I don't

826
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:42,880
want to be too definitive here but it
looks like we'll be having the surplus

827
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:48,160
for 2025 and north of 200. So that's now
that was not put into reserve last year

828
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:53,839
but it is available to the town. So the
idea there is the way to get the 825 525

829
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:58,160
CCDF 300 from source the truck for the
Beersville hard courts 550

830
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:06,319
uh if you do do that in the last year
this plan 350 for CCDF 200 from source

831
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:12,160
so that's 500 on source total and 825
uh eight sorry 875 which basically takes

832
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:16,480
out I mean again I'm using round figures
for simplicity, but that takes it grade

833
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:22,160
81 and then you're that so that plan for
218 consists of two fire trucks and then

834
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:27,119
everything else. But the nice thing
about that is that everything else we

835
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:31,920
decide to do, we don't have to litigate,
manage, coordinate it with Luke and God

836
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:36,240
bless Luke, but we don't have to go to
the province for permission or haggle

837
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:40,720
over anything or get it validated or
tested, etc., etc. Is our choice

838
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:45,280
qualified? It's a check in the box. It's
done in order. So So it makes for a very

839
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:49,599
simple, you know, CCF plan.
>> So does that mean we have no cut

840
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:55,839
payments?
>> No. Well, it it depends like at the time

841
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:59,839
when I say 300 source, you take a
reserve, you decide to borrow

842
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,680
» at that time. It'll depend on and we
have the second part of this which is

843
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:07,760
the harder and more challenging part is
and and I might add like warranty

844
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,760
there's a longer list of things for
accent. There's some other things that

845
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:16,319
Mark has mentioned for his then that
fits into your capital envelope and even

846
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:21,680
some of it in operating tanks you might
go operating you might go assets but any

847
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:24,559
event so in looking at the rest of it
whether you have to borrow for not

848
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:28,319
depends on what else you intend to spend
how many streets we do is there a sewer

849
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:34,000
system part two that we have to do the
cost we need etc etc so that's that's

850
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:37,039
what uh and not to get too nuanced but
if you if there were a sewer system part

851
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,960
two
>> it might be easier to do that to your

852
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:46,319
own reserves or savings than it is
through borrowing or might or the flip

853
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:50,160
of that. So that's a larger set of
calculations. CCDF in a way is more

854
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:54,720
contained and simple and that that
knocks off your 881 that takes care of

855
01:04:52,160 --> 01:05:01,920
it. You can obviously you know purchase
a $825,000 and a 550 with 881,000 but uh

856
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:08,640
that's why that's where the 500 home
source come in. So, so you believe it's

857
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:12,079
it would be best practice to use the tax
>> whatever

858
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:16,799
gas tax money
>> um to to pay for the two fire trucks for

859
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:21,440
example.
>> Um

860
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:29,359
whereas
could we not use that money for

861
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:33,839
other road projects and borrow that
money? The reason why Deputy Mary

862
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:37,359
wouldn't the way I would say you would
do that this is

863
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,559
» I think part of the challenge if you
were committed to buying this one way or

864
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:44,799
the other the easiest way to do it is
through the CCBF because it simplifies

865
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:48,559
the administration of that program and
they don't let here's the thing let's

866
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:52,720
suppose for a moment you
>> decided you were going to do you're

867
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:56,960
going to pay roads AB C and D
>> and then two years from now you decide

868
01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:00,799
you know what I'd rather pay D than Da
go back and change your plan if you make

869
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:05,119
that change because they actually ask
you for coordinates like G uh GPS

870
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:09,119
coordinates for your roads and the
length of the roads and the whole thing

871
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:13,119
when you do that application. So to
avoid all that, if you p if we know the

872
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:17,039
fire truck we're buying, we say we're
going to purchase this firet truck for

873
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:21,359
this department, done deal, we
contribute 300, you take three, there's

874
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:25,200
no fuss. But everything you do, like if
you do an upgrade to a park and you say

875
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:28,720
you change, if your plans change or your
priorities change,

876
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:33,599
» you got to go back through the process,
which isn't like everybody, there's no

877
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:38,480
need to go through that. It just keeps
it nice and simple forward.

878
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:43,200
» Yeah. The simplest. So for the truck
payments that I don't believe you guys

879
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,760
have any
>> um

880
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,359
» truck payments you have you guys have
any deurly.

881
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:53,839
» Yeah.
>> Oh there are Mark you said you have

882
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:58,880
trucks being paid off. Where would that
those payments that what I would

883
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:04,079
» they just disappear? a couple that where
were those pig? So let me see if I fall.

884
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:09,359
I was leading to another point which is
I would not at least the way I think I

885
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:13,039
can tell you I do not think about and
you talk about the market like we had

886
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,640
five deer payments after a million
dollars for a fire. I do not necessarily

887
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,839
think we replace them with five payments
or two payments for a million. You don't

888
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,119
go leg for life. You go based on what
you actually need. Might be more, it

889
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:27,280
might be less. The timing might be
different, etc.

890
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:31,440
you you you you borrow what you should
what you need to borrow

891
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:35,119
» and if you didn't have to borrow then
that would be the ideal world and you

892
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,880
had lots of funds that come in but the
details of that you kind of hash out all

893
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:42,880
like the purchases after this which
leaves all the internal work if you will

894
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,799
for the town or I should forgive me
saying town it's a habit

895
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,200
» I know
>> for mis valley you can figure out as you

896
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,280
go along so the second part of this the
capital the large the internal capital

897
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,160
plan which will include this is more
complicated and gets into more decision

898
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:03,760
like it gets into that do we borrow is
it reserves what makes sense etc and it

899
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:08,400
depends on everybody interest rates
>> um you know other say what you do

900
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:11,839
» don't you also kind of need a rainy day
slush fund for it just in case

901
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:15,039
» yeah I mean you
>> you don't want to deplete your reserves

902
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,080
right
>> that's a larger discussion and strategy

903
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:22,400
on like
>> that's why they have operating reserves

904
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:26,799
and capital reserves and capital funds
>> uh to give you

905
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:30,640
But like you said, it is
these are the two things we're gonna do.

906
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:35,359
These are our two plans and a
conversation.

907
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:39,279
another TA
said actually you should they say you

908
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:44,319
know for your CCBF or your gas tax just
keep it as simple as you can like have

909
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:47,679
fewer projects and make them so write
them in such a way they've actually they

910
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:51,279
write them in such a way you have more
flexibility to administer them or to

911
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:54,640
decide to do they actually because of
the change they've made to the template

912
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:59,040
you have less flexibility because now
they want you to put kilometers make you

913
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,640
got to get coordinates they want you to
be able to look up and see what you're

914
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:05,839
doing so it's really But it's a pretty
big oversight to have. So this is like

915
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,239
super simple.
>> And this is the first time they've

916
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:12,560
allowed
>> first time. Well, 25 you said. Yeah. 25.

917
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:15,679
Yeah.
>> Started 24. You could

918
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:19,120
» we're going to talk about this morning.
>> Yes.

919
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:24,640
» Yes. This is an overview tonight.
>> Um people to think about I guess

920
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:31,640
look at
>> Yeah. And we can see our

921
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,640
next

922
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:35,239
» okay so

923
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:42,640
that was all
>> that was

924
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:45,640
» so we'll go on to 5D by policy updates.
>> Yeah.

925
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:55,040
» Oh the okay
>> just a short update I guess. Yeah,

926
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:59,280
update is just a narrative add to this,
but just for the information of council.

927
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:05,120
So, the bylaw committee has been working
on two two uh two bylaws and four

928
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,560
policies now four policies and two
bylaws priming the proceedings of

929
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:12,239
council and the sewer.
>> So, we've got that to a pretty big state

930
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,520
and pretty close and I think ready for
second reading.

931
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,440
» Yeah.
>> Uh the four policies administrative

932
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:21,920
standards which I talked about with
council before which again has been

933
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:25,440
tuned and is getting there. uh municipal
fees and charges which is the idea of

934
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:29,120
which is to concentrate or to
consolidate all fees and charges for her

935
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,800
and town. So there's a one-stop shop for
residents as well as council on a yearly

936
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:41,600
basis to decide or both to share what
their rates and fees are or to update

937
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:47,440
them with your council. Um we added a a
policy for coding which just creates a

938
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:52,480
standard um set of codes for both bylaws
and policies. So it's simplified and

939
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:58,880
obvious. And so over time it can stay
consistent and so people know that like

940
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:03,120
you know proceedings of council is A1
for example

941
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:09,280
» and uh the final one is we did get a
first draft to the bylaw and policy

942
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:13,199
committee of the grant program municipal
grant program.

943
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:17,600
» So that is again pretty good but there's
still be some tuning we did for that one

944
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:19,760
as well but uh that's in place. So
that's all just was

945
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:24,400
» that's for Tuesday night.
>> Tuesday night. Yeah. We have

946
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:29,199
» coming forward, right?
>> Yeah.

947
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:33,760
» Yeah. But actually
>> the current plan is for the bylaws to do

948
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:39,760
a second reading council by title
>> and then two of the policies this is we

949
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:43,440
were discussing this earlier is that at
least two of them will be held till

950
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:47,840
April and then two may go through. I
mean the codes is a very basic one.

951
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,080
there's not a lot of in there for uh to
be fussed over. And the gray one is

952
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:57,360
though new is fairly advanced. Maybe
that is ready for reading. Maybe we hold

953
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:01,520
it till later. So that's the those are
basically the issues here.

954
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:06,320
» Good work.
>> All right.

955
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:12,120
So um I guess that takes up our open
session. We're going to go into close

956
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:12,120
session. together.

957
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:25,239
» Thank you. Good night. See you guys.
>> Drive safe.

958
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,520
» We'd like to move that we go into a
close session

959
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,360
and
Mike. All those in favor signify by

960
01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:38,360
saying
against.