Welcome to the December 2025 regular
meeting of the Clemson Board of
Architectural Review. My name is Todd
Howard and I serve as the chairperson of
this meeting. The other members in
attendance today will now introduce
themselves.
>> Nathan Shop, Hunter Hanahan,
>> Andrew Neptune,
>> Christine Tedesco.
>> The Clemson Planning and Codes office
staff member in attendance is Jacob
Peabody. The recording secretary of this
meeting is Rebecca Wilbanks. BAR members
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then we'll have our board member
introduce himself.
>> Okay. So, um the first thing we need to
do is consider adopting the minutes from
last month's meeting. I'm at they were
solid as presented and so no changes
really needed to be made. Do I have
anybody that's willing to make a motion
to accept last month's meeting?
>> Some move.
>> Okay. Second.
>> Second.
All those in favor, please raise
your right hand. Okay, minutes have been
adopted. Okay, action items. The first
action item is off the slate for the
night because that's no longer um up
before us. So, we'll start with action
item number two, 2025 A04. Applicant
Robert Kite Harris Teter is requesting
approval of dumpster location for 501
Old Greenville Highway. So, we'll hear
from Jacob to start.
>> Yes. So, the this was in front of the
board last month. They've come back with
more clear rendering showing what
they're doing. They went to investigate
whether or not the underground dumpsters
were viable for them and they've come
back with a standard dumpster and a
clarification as to grade and everything
showing where they'll be located. Um,
honestly, with that, I'm just going to
turn it over to the applicant to give
them presentation to where we're at.
>> Can you make sure you introduce
yourself?
>> Just me with committ. Um, yes, good to
see you guys as well again from from
last month. Uh so as we talked about
last month, I think there was a few
comments from you guys about the site
plans of moving the ice machine which we
moved to the other side. So you will not
see that in the renderings there. Um
additionally with the landscape plan, we
should have the renderings here. We
added in a few two rows of shrubs kind
of near the dumpster. Um there's a row
of the distilliums and then a row of
holl which will helpful greatly kind of
enhance the screening of that dumpster
from the road. Um Nathan asked
previously to this meeting of what the
grade differential is. So if you're
sitting on 93 right here where that car
is, the elevation there is around 8:14.
The dumpster pad sits at the bottom
around 807. So there is a 7 foot grade
difference from the top of the road to
where that bottom of pavement is.
>> And how tall is the
>> the dumpster screening wall is 6 feet
tall.
>> And then the shrubs specified are 4 feet
>> at planting. So,
» anything else you'd like to add?
>> No, that's I think those are pretty much
the main comments you guys had last week
and just here to answer any questions
you guys have.
>> Okay. Do we have any public comment on
this item?
>> Okay. So, any follow-up questions,
comments, concerns?
a good solution.
As far as planting wise, I don't see any
issue with that. The massing should be
fine. Height should be fine.
Um,
I mean, they're going in at 4T. So,
you're already going to be a foot above,
you know, the fence. Down the edges, as
it slopes down the hill, you're going to
be a little bit um lower than the fence,
but within probably two growing seasons,
I don't see that being an issue based on
the plant they selected.
>> And remind me again, what color is the
enclosure going to be?
>> Dark brown.
>> Yeah, it's a dark brown. It's like a TX
board. Yeah, it goes around it.
[clears throat] There was the plantings
that Nathan requested around the the
underground storage tanks as well that
separated there. So those plantings were
in there as well.
>> And they did continue the air machine.
They continued that landscaping right
between instead of having a gap between
the dumpster and the air machine, the
landscaping just travels right through.
>> And where the tanks are, they put plant
material around the gas tanks. Um Oh,
>> yeah. Buried.
Yeah. Would
» anybody like to make a motion that we
approve as presented?
>> Motion.
>> Anybody second?
>> Second.
>> All those in favor, please raise your
right hand.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Anyone here for the first application
199 Old Reville Highway that has been
pulled off the agenda?
Okay. So, we're going to move to our
next item. 2025 A09. Applicant uh
Mauricio Vizball LV Collective is
requesting approval of materials,
landscape, and lighting for 398 College
Avenue. So, we'll hear from Jacob first.
>> Um so, there has been some significant
changes to the building. You can see how
previously basically the uh on building
400 the brick has been bringing up a
whole another level and I think has you
know really improved its look quite a
bit. They did on the uh building 398
they brought the detail work of the
brick around the back of the building.
So the soldier courses and the uh just
nicer detail that they went forward with
the um darker bottom. Um let's see.
Well, honestly, it's probably just best
I turn over to the applicant and just
let them move forward.
>> Okay.
>> Would you guys like to Yeah,
>> if you'll just introduce yourself before
you start.
>> Good evening. My name is Muhammad Wilson
Bolton representing the architectural
team that will be invisible with LD
Collective, the developer. Uh, and I
know Chris Lazar with Rwood Design Group
is just around the corner, so they'll be
joining us here in just a minute. Um, I
[clears throat] could drop these uh just
on the two ends. We brought some
additional samples based on the
discussions we had uh I think last
month.
Uh but yeah, we on the architectural
side of things, we really kind of
narrowed it down in our last meeting to
list a few items that we wanted to study
a little bit further. We had some good
discussions about the samples and the
colors and so I brought some samples to show with you today. The first item
was uh what Jacob was just mentioning. I
want to talk about the um College Avenue
facade for 400 College Avenue building.
Um the initial design, the first slide,
the initial design had it had the the
elevation kind of banded in almost like
three similar height material
transitions and I think there's some
comments about it looking more like a
having that wedding cake kind of effect
on the building. And so what we've done
is we went back, we've studied it and
we've raised the brick one extra level.
And so on the next slide there, you show
I I do agree it improved the proportions
considerably. You can now see it as that
darker base with the storefront at the
commercial at the ground level. Three
levels of the red masonry, the sample
I've got down here at the bottom. Uh and
then a true cap for the building that's
only one story tall. So I think that was
a big improvement.
The next thing that we've looked at the
colors in general, we had a lot of
discussions about the fiber cement
colors. We had three different colors
proposed for the project. I think the
renderings have kind of shown them a
little bit different from some of the
color chips. And so we spent some time
on these few renderings that we brought
with us really trying to dial it to
match the samples. I've got with me here
the three colors. Uh I'll pass those
around that we have proposed. You can
see all three of them on on this uh on
this perspective [snorts] view here
which is looking down Strod Avenue. The
light color, the white at the cap of the
building is the is this sample right
here, the Arctic white. Uh, and the
midtone gray is that sample on the very
right uh of this sample right here.
That's what you see surrounding the
surrounding, um, language where we have
the wood accents on building on 398.
Exactly there. Thank you. And then the
cap for building 400 as well. That's
that kind of midtone color. Uh and then
we've got this darker this darker color
here, fiber cement. That's uh where we
have some accents like the inset that
you're seeing there. So throughout the
facades, you'll see we're alternating
between these three colors. Uh we had a
lot of discussions, good discussions
last week about or last month about the accent wood panel that we're using
and uh how it relates to the fiber
cement panel that surrounds it. And so
we went back and actually made some
changes to this color selection to find
something that worked a little bit
better with this uh with this wood
accent color. Uh so you're seeing what
we passed around here. They're they're
the same they're same uh samples come
from both directions. We talked about,
you know, looking at different options.
We did get a few additional samples, did
looked at some options, but we ended up
backing, you know, right where we
started with this one being the what we
feel is the better color for the
project. It works better with the better
with the overall palette. It blends well
with uh some of the accent colors that
we're using with the with the heartscape
and the decking that we're using at the
amenities. And so we've kind of, you
know, we wanted to bring a few samples
just to show you, but we're we're
proposing that we stick to the original
selection here, especially with the way
it works now with the axom fiber cement
that we have surrounding it.
>> Is that the hickory color?
>> That is correct. Yeah, it's it's a
little bit more muted. The other ones
are a little bit more on the orange
tones and we dialed that down on the
renderings a little bit because it
showed very orange last month when we
met and so now we've kind of we did a
better match to that uh color that we're
selecting. Uh on the next slide I think
we have a couple of zoomin views.
Uh this is building 400 showing that
added level of of masonry and kind of
how it helped the overall proportions of
the building. I'll pass these colors if
you would like. These are the three
fiber cement accents. Uh and then the
next slide,
it goes back and looks at the facade for
uh 398 College. This is the entry to the
leasing office. And really what what's
different about this this rendering here
compared to what we've seen is we've got
the colors to match a lot better the
samples that we're passing around now.
So it got a little bit more neutral. I
think I think in the some of the
renderings we showed you last month, the
colors had gotten a little bit too warm,
almost brown, and that was not the
intention. We were going for this
neutral grays, and that's what you see
passing around. Uh the base of that uh
of what we're calling the the treehouse
on the on the left side of the screen
there. The base, as Jacob mentioned, we
went with the darker accents. We took
the wood out of it. We had some wood
accents and I think there was strong
recommendation from from the board last
month to stick to the gray and let the
wood accent be where we have it around
the windows and that's what we've done.
Uh, next slide shows a perspective view
of it. Again, just kind of puts it all
in context. You're seeing the College
Avenue facade there and the storefront
where we have the leasing and the entry
and the commercial space. So, that kind
of all puts it together uh with a better
color match to the samples that you uh
that you've got in your hands.
Next slide. Um,
oh yeah. So this uh this is the back of
the building now 398. Uh we have talked
about uh there was positive feedback
related to the brick detailing and the
articulation that we provided along
College Avenue. We we were advised to go
back and take another look at the back
of the building and see if we can add a
little bit of that details uh that
masonry detailing. And so you can see
here on that this is a zoom in
perspective that we didn't have last
time. We just wanted to zoom in so we
can show some of the details and that
little sliver of the elevation there.
You can see that we introduced uh um at
the very top we introduced a rollock
course uh and a soldier course under it.
So kind of gives it a little bit of a
termination at the top of the masonry.
We've got the soldier course and the and the roll locks around the windows.
And we also introduced a continuous band
at the masonry below the lowest level uh
lowest residential level uh windows. And
so it really it kind of it does some of
what we were trying to achieve at the
front of the building. It just gives it
a little bit more detail. It dresses it
up a little bit and in a sense it kind
of helps break the scale some with all
the banding that's being proposed. So
that was that was this slide here.
Uh and then this again kind of puts it
all kind of zoomed out. This is the
[clears throat] the full College Avenue
frontage there. You can see how it all
comes together. I think with the added
brick on on building 400 there, it kind
of started to put the overall massing
and the composition a little bit more
consistent between the two buildings, we
knew we didn't want to have a, you know,
a repeat of the same architecture that
we're using, but more or less we wanted
the same language and same materiality.
And I think that helped kind of get the
scales to be a little bit more uh uh
consistent and matching between the two buildings even though the scale is
slightly different.
Um and I think that's really it for the
architectural slides. I know past this
point we've got a few more slides that
we had from last month that we needed to
reference. Uh, we've got the 2D
elevations as well if you all have any
questions, but it was really kind of
more of just trying to really zero in on
the actual materials and put it all
together to make sure that it it it
blends and it works well. Um, so happy
to answer any questions. [clears throat]
Uh, I know Chris is is here. We can we
can jump into right landscape. And
>> I I just have one quick question. Accent
to the left of these windows here. Is
that the same as over here?
>> That's correct.
>> Okay. because some of these pictures
aren't exactly the same. I just want to
make sure those are supposed to be the
same.
>> Yeah, they're same. And I think maybe
what we had done was we we kind of
doctorred some of it on the large
building to match this and maybe we
missed doing that on the 400,
>> but it's intended to be the same.
>> Just a procedural question. Should we
ask for public input just on the
materials and architectural expression?
>> That is I mean it's one really
application. You can split up if you
want, but it's probably best to ask for
it in total. I think
>> is really one application.
>> Does anybody want to bring up anything
while it's fresh in their heads tied to
the color choice and the detailing?
>> I think it looks a lot better raising
that bridge.
» What is the crowning element at that final story on building 400? that
it will be. So the top level of the cap
is a fiber cement panel and so what
we're going to have at the very top is
going to be a coping. So it'll be a
metal coping that would extend down and
just kind of have a little bit of a
termination edge at the very top. Is
that what we're talking about? Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean it honestly looks I see
some sort of like verticality within
that hatch pattern.
>> Oh, there's a weird printing or
something.
>> Yeah. So this is really more of the
reveal patterning that we're doing on
this. So like in typical field condition
where we have the fiber cement panel, we
really have uh we have two main
conditions. We have the board and batton
and that's what we're using where we
have some of the white uh the lightest
white color. We have the board and
battons and that helps kind of break the
scale, makes it give it more of a
residential feel. Uh and then with the
rest of the fiber cement panel, normally
those come in sheets of 4x8 and so you
would have kind of reveals at the at the
transition from panel to panel. on the
front on College Avenue here, we just
kind of introduced a slightly more
elevated pattern related to that re to the reveals. So, instead of it just
being the regular reveals, you know,
every four feet, we've done something
that breaks it, gives it a little bit
more detail where it fronts uh College
Avenue. And that's kind of what you're
seeing below the metal coping further
down you're seeing some of those reveals
start and stop. We're trying to come up
with an interesting compositions with a
prominent facade.
>> Sure. Yeah, I get that. The coping
itself is is solid metal. Yes.
>> Coping. Okay.
>> Yes. It would be a metal metal coping.
And that would only be that would only
be at the top of the parapit. And
usually you would have a leg that kind
of extends down 46 in or so.
>> Okay. It just looks like something more
unique.
>> Almost like a soldier or
>> Yeah. Or some sort of wood.
>> I think it's just one
>> like the rendering
of it.
>> And I agree the brick work is nice. I I
think that's a nice a nice improvement.
>> And we went like Jacob said with the
dark face to the tower.
>> That's correct. Yes. Yeah. Uh and one thing to point out, you know, where
the plan is and Chris will talk about
this a little bit more where we have to
amenities on 398. We're kind of going
with like that that decking that's got
the same texture and color. So, we're
going to be doing a match to that to
help blend it. So, really what we've
done is we've taken the wood accent away
from the base. And I think to a certain
degree that helped kind of float that,
you know, element that we're
celebrating. But then we'll tie these
color palettes again when we have the
decking at the at the very at the very
bottom. Yeah. There like here it still
shows this kind of lighter orange colors
that we had from last time because I
know when we were putting this together,
we were still coordinating on the
landscape side. Uh but we we do actually
have the material here that you'll see
in a little bit. Uh and it's a it's it's
more of a match to this. So it kind of
ties it all together. It's not going to
be that light light orange color that is
shown here right at that amenity level.
» Thank you.
Jump into landscape before we
go.
» Um do you want to report out at all
before they present? Do you want to
report out at all before they report on
landscape?
>> No, I'm just happy to go right into it.
Go through all the changes been made.
So that set has it.
[clears throat]
>> Forgot my magnifying glass.
I think you have it on glasses.
» Just when you get ready, just introduce
yourself before you start presenting.
Thank you.
Good evening. Uh I'm Chris Lazich with
Ironwood Design Group. Um we're the
landscape architects for both projects.
Um we kind of did a quick run through
because there wasn't enough time for the
landscape review prior to last month's
meeting. So we understood that the
smaller plans that were requested are
harder to see. So, we sent full-size
prints in and took the time after our
last run through to meet with Nathan in
person to review the plans and have
picked up those comments, the the
feedback and tried our best to address
those. Um, which you'll see reflected in
the digital and the prints that you have
in front of you. Uh, starting with the I
guess we can start with the south
building in the hardscape. Um, as you
might recall, there's a couple main
materials that we have along the
streetscape. Um, the sidewalk, if we're
on page 1.1s,
the main sidewalk you see is the city
standard with the new U tree grates and
the stamped concrete bands that you see
coming off that are designated as P2
for the bands. and HO2 is the the new
city updated standard for the tree
grates and just a regular broom swept
concrete. As you transition from that
10-ft sidewalk, um what's designated as
H I'm sorry, uh PO4 is an etched
finished concrete. This is a higherend
finish of concrete that has some specs
and some different aggregates. So
there's a contrast that is the main
field you'll see and it's represented by
um this material here is
you want to pass that around at the main
entrances for both buildings. We'll
touch on this one first is PO7 which is
our pre-cast concrete PA. Um we had
presented this briefly with the warm
tones uh at our last meeting uh that go
and uh accommodate what is shown on the
building. We also brought some other
alternate color selections that we can
pass out if you know the tones um if
there's comments or you want to see what
the other options are available.
Um the main uh planter walls that you
see is the terracing which is designated
as HO3 and runs uh along the street is a
board form concrete uh planter with
joints. It's a gray tone and it's
represented by this. So that will be all
of the the planter walls that are um
that vary in height. They wrap the
corner as you can kind of see um
the HO3 on the corner and then it turns
up the street and we the leasing and
retail entrance is about uh 2 and 1/2 ft
taller than the street and the street is
sloping up from left to right. So those
planters come down in height as the
grade of the street um comes down. But
you'll see a couple courses. Uh it's a 6
in uh pattern for the board.
This is the wall.
>> This is the vertical wall. Yeah. And the
top will just be a clean uh concrete.
>> Same color.
>> It's formed.
>> Uh we do have uh railings uh on as we go
down to L1.2. We have a cable railing
system. It's just a black. I did bring
metal samples um that show it, but it's
a wire cable um railing guard rail where
it's needed. Uh it's designated as uh
H31
and that's the cable railing. It'll have
black posts which are
pass. This is the closest match I had
missing. Um, it's on the next page.
Yes.
» Yes. Thank you for pointing that. L6.1
shows the character image for the style
of ring.
And then we have uh just the the viper
racks that we're showing uh along there
are designated as H04. It will also be
black to match and it's shown on I
believe 6 uh one detail 19.0
» 6.0 [clears throat]
I'm sorry.
And just to point out a couple things as
we come along to 1.3.
Um the only thing we're showing is we
wanted to point out is that the sidewalk
at the city's request has been flipped
to the alternate side of rigs. So the
only thing you're seeing is as far as a
hardcape is just a regular concrete uh
sidewalk that gets you out to rigs for
life safety egress uh reasons.
And on 1.4 Four,
there was a request during the meeting
to reconfigure the fire lane to allow
for more buffer that we'll talk about in
the landscape uh as you come down the
hill from the neighborhood. So, we've
addressed that and that's designated as
shown in the hex uh the hexagonal uh
pattern. As before, it kind of ran along
the property line to the north. This
allowed us to create more landscape
space and to screen that because as
you're coming down the hill that's a
prominent view. Uh so getting the
mixture of evergreens and we'll talk
about that in the landscape but it helps
us to buffer that back side of the
building.
>> So also just little input there are
transform I think transformers there
>> and so we had to have so much clearance
for the transformers which prevented us
from having screening right against that
area anyway. So that that was the basis
for that recommendation. Uh as well
>> and that's going to be a grass pave.
There's a concrete apron. So it'll just
appear as a lawn space. It's not going
to be an exposed concrete or asphalt.
[clears throat]
U moving to is there any questions so
far?
So on the front walkway, front steps, I
see you have this material here on the
top.
>> That's right.
>> What is the is it coming to the first
riser?
>> Yes.
>> And if so, how is that turn down being
dealt with? Are you just seeing the edge
of this material or what does that riser
profile actually look like? will have a
tread on grade like a top riser that the
PA will butt into. So there will be a
flush tread at the top to signify the
beginning of the stair.
>> Okay.
>> Out of this concrete.
>> That's right.
» And then kind of moving to the lighting
plans which are designated by the five
series drawings.
Um,
[clears throat]
we had in the the print, and I
apologize, we have a full sight
photometric that was distributed to the
team. It doesn't look like it's in this
electronic uh submission, but it shows
the all of the light levels at the
property lines around. Um, we showed
light fixtures and the character image
and the specs for those um, in the
schedule on the top right and what those
look like. We did get some comments
about directing the uplights on 5.1
in the treehouse area away from the
right of way. You'll see that we have
the city standard Duke power fixture
spaced evenly between the trees along
the street on College.
And as you go up uh strode circle on
both projects
and then we have up lights which are
designated by um the circular in the
planters for uplighting the trees. Those
are in grade
[snorts]
>> you can see in this document the uh
sidewalk has been added on this coming
up stro to bring a better pedestrian
route from rigs to stroke. Thank you,
Jacob. Yeah, I forgot to touch on that.
[clears throat]
>> Could I just add real
the way that terminates where Rick
starts, it seems a little sha seems a
little shallow. Should we have a little
more of a landing?
>> Yeah, because you're going to stop there
to wait for traffic.
You know what I mean? Like, does that is
that comfortable?
That little slice right there.
[clears throat] Should it kind of curve
a little bit? Um, well, we don't want to
direct people down rigs. They're going,
this is a sidewalk right here across.
>> I think the main problem I have with
that intersection is you have those
slanted spots. Even if those are
pulling, you know, temporary parking for
ride share or or food delivery. When
they pull out, they're going either up
Rift or upstroke. How are they going to
get out of there? They're either turning
around somebody's driveway or going all
the way around circle.
>> Yeah.
>> Is that big enough to put a rotary in
there? Like a onelane rotary. You think
that would keep traffic from going up
Rigs or Strode? Because college kids are
just going to go up Riggs and turn
around in somebody's driveway. They're
not going to go all the way around.
I was thinking about that. I drove by
there the other day for a one-way lane
rotary. It might fit.
>> That's a good idea. And that the parking
topic you're bringing up was brought up
during the planning commission's review.
And it might have I forget who it was.
It might have been the commissioner, but
the lead, but he they had talked about
making those perpendicular spots so
there wasn't the kind of encouragement
to pull back out and head up bridge.
>> Well, I'm hoping even if you just pull
off the side, it's still facing that
way. You're not going to turn around in
the middle of the road. You're just
going to turn around somebody's driveway
and there's enough traffic.
>> I mean, this is going to cause enough
people going up that way anyway. I'd
like to see some way where they could
turn around [clears throat] before
trying to make that option.
>> Have that option.
>> We did talk about dedicating some
parking spaces within the parking deck.
for for deliveries and Uber and and
pickup.
>> Yeah, I mean we
>> that doesn't
>> we could ultimately [clears throat] just
get rid of these.
>> Uh one thing with the ride share um I'm
up Earl Street. I have a business up
Earl Street and the you the Uber or the
food delivery and ride share, they know
where to pull off. Nine times out of 10,
the person blocking the road is a family
member or friend dropping off people to
get in and out and they it's pretty much
every day you'll see a car just park
there like 10 20 seconds, but they park
in the middle of the street, let people
in and out. So, you do see a lot of
friends and family that are going to
utilize that. And I I'm pretty sure
they're going to come up here and try to
utilize it there. And that's the one I'm
worried about turning around people's
driveways.
>> Yeah. I would like to discourage
>> any unnecessary traffic into a
residential neighborhood.
>> If you could fit a one lane rotary
there, I mean, it's it would be tight.
>> I'm I'm not sure about the rotary. We
can we look at it up. I would be
inclined to do away with the parking as
well. I don't I mean it's it's
every little bit counts. I get it. But
it's a it's really awkward. Think about
a pedestrian walking down there. You're
just going to skip over the the parking
or the sidewalk cuz it's just cuz it's
funky jog to it. Just be a lot cleaner
without it
like getting the need for drop offs and
well which that is not but you know a
drop off space for Uber
>> and what have you. But So you're saying
instead of
>> just [snorts] take a walk straight down
instead of using the sidewalk.
>> Yeah.
>> Goes around
>> or maybe two parallel spots it' be only
10 ft and the sidewalk could come into,
you know, wouldn't be so far out there
as
>> Yeah.
>> I think in real world what's going to
happen is they're going to pull down the
street anyways and just stop in the road
and let people on and off and then drive
up and turn around someone's driveway
where go around stroke. people are going
to go up there to pull off. And
>> so is it better just to do two parallel
then
>> do parallel and three parallel we can
fit but I'm more worried about them
still facing that direction and heading
[clears throat] up towards the road or
>> I don't think we have the room to do a
perpendicular
>> without taking out the trees that are
over there. Well, if you look at the
grading lines, that 32 inch pine is
technically already gone because they're
showing the grading lines
being stacked up and and manipulated and
printed very very lightly.
But in reality, that 32 inch pine's
gone.
>> Uh that's
>> I think they're leaving that that grain
as is. That would be it's been updated.
I think what you're seeing from that
>> save those ones
right here
>> that 32 inch pine. Yes.
>> I mean there's a lot of great change. I
don't know how they're doing that.
I I think existing what the the intent
from the civil engineer was that they
could get this sidewalk in as it was and
maintain that grade that's existing just
dropping off.
» That was the width of Stro currently
wider.
>> Yeah, they're going to take you out of
wing in that creek, right?
Um
yes to an extent.
» Um we can flip to the landscape on 8.1
uh to kind of talk about this area.
Um so we have the the creek area that's
being uh maintained and uh protected. Um
we are rerouting obviously some of the
streams that are on the project and one
is coming under the building that you'll
see um on the branch on the right. We
had presented our plans in November and
as I said we had a chance to meet with
uh with Nathan and Jacob up at the
office and the [clears throat]
suggestion was to create more tree add
more trees create a a denser uh planting
a mix of overstory and understory which
we think we've done a a good job of uh
strengthening that. We've also been able
to save the 28 in oak which was the
comment. So we've got that in. There's
an existing wall there that's going to
remain. That's kind of how it is today.
So that tree will stay on on the corner.
So you're seeing a total of four of the
existing large trees that are staying.
And then we're supplementing uh with
selected species both at the north end
of this plan and along college. So
you'll be higher on the street looking
down toward the treehouse, the deck, and
the the creek area. So mostly native and
adaptive plant um pellets. We took some
of the suggestions that we went over
in person and picked those up.
Uh we have uh American elms as the
street tree. I don't think we got a
comment on that. They're currently
spaced at
basically 40 ft. There's some where
they're a little bit closer to align
with the building and the entrances.
And then moving to 8.2,
the continuation of the streetscape
uh on the plan uh plan east side. We
have uh existing wall that is graded
between the adjacent property that is
going to be um rebuilt and we're
reveating that area. I think one of the
comments we got from November was what's
going on in this area. So we have now
shown there is a sidewalk. It only goes
down to the stair. It doesn't continue
to strobe to create a I think comment
was a walkth through. Um, so it just
very it just goes down to the plan to
collect a stair tower and get people
safely out to college. Uh, and then we
are supplementing and screening that
wall. We have some turf areas and some
foundation uh, evergreen plantings.
» I got one question. This is more for
Nathan. Um, Nathan, these American elms
are going to be the ones on College A.
>> Yes.
>> Um, are you guys using those? What is
it? The Corona street grates for tree
grates for that?
>> Yes. Um, are those the same trees we
have going up in front of the churches?
Because all those grates are this high
up. You know, after a couple years, even
in front of back streets when we did the
streetscape, that tree we had to take
down pushed the grade up about that
much. You you've seen the problems we
had.
>> Yeah, these are going to have that
problem
>> in silver cells.
>> Excuse me.
>> These ones are going to be planted in
silver cells.
>> Okay. So, we're not going to have that
problem 10 years down the road.
>> Should not. And there should be with the
sila cells. I'm guessing there's also a
chemical root barrier
>> as well.
between the sidewalk.
>> Um,
>> yeah, we go believe we've engineered
around that.
>> Um, the only the only comment I have on
this page is the size that those
[laughter] the tulip poppplers are going
to go in on the right. Um, I would just
put a straight sodine because and just
let that natural succession of shade out the grass. Okay. But having
this wavy sodline for five years down
the road just doesn't make sense.
>> Sure, we can do that.
>> I would just straighten that. Okay.
>> And thank you for your suggestion.
>> Uh going to 8.3.
Uh you'll see the continuation of where
we added the additional trees. A comment
that we received this morning that we
addressed is the density of the planting
screening along the evergreen planting
along rigs. Um we have supplemented that
uh and suggested uh using a mixture of
evergreen giant arborite with the shade
trees behind and then broke it up with
the crypto area. Um and we continue that
on to 8.4 to create an evergreen buffer
and then have a backdrop of of a canopy
tree behind it. And as you see on 8.4,
we've got the evergreen screen with some
shade trees in that triangle that we
talked about when we reconfigured the
fire lane.
» Any questions?
We can look at the north building.
So the only question I have is based on
the renderings
like if you look at the architectural
rendering page one there is a like I
know we can't comment on the interior
courtyard that's inside amenity but
there is green plantings on the top of
that building that I don't see anywhere
on any of the plans. Yeah, I I I don't
have those plans in front of me. It is
um I think we took the suggestion that
you had for the planner. It's uh the
green um
uh
what did we put there? I can pull it up
and get you that information. I don't
have that plan. It's a It's a evergreen
hedge [clears throat] that softens that
guard rail behind it. and they're in a
two foot by two foot planter system like
a
>> because I don't I don't remember ever I
don't think I ever commented on it
because I don't
>> no there was a a plant selection comment
and I apologize don't remember
you had made
» so I would just want to know what that
is so
is there something that you would like
to see from
I would just like to make sure it's
maintained.
>> Yeah.
>> I just don't
» I mean that could be fine. I just don't
know what's up there. So I don't want to
recommend something
that's
I don't know what I'm recommending
against.
>> Sure. The the intent is a trimmed narrow
hedge like that will be maintained
evergreen.
So it be like it will be manicured like
trimmed down and
>> That's right. Yeah. It's a vertical
compact. Um
>> I mean as long as you have drainage up
there and irrigation.
>> Yeah, we have irrigation and drainage.
It sits in uh a planter system with a
drain to the uh slab system
>> and it's blocking a railing.
>> There's a railing that's set back 2 ft
from the parapit edge.
>> Okay.
>> So that's creating a green buffer. So,
it's a wellness deck,
>> okay,
>> that's going up there. It's just
pedestal pavers uh with some planter
pots that are back. You don't see them.
And then it's got a perimeter uh
fabricated GFRC or um fiberglass planter
system that sits back behind. And then
the evergreen hedge sits up above the
parapit and you have the guard rail uh
behind that.
>> I mean, it would be easy to put, you
know, a U up there.
That's along I was trying to get the
exact spec.
>> I mean like a Duke gardens you or
something like that. Super easy to
maintain
>> and that's along the lines. I just
didn't want to speak and tell you one
thing and be another. But that's the
design intent is exactly what you're
describing.
» So just so the board knows all of the
comments that I had made were taken into
consideration.
Um, one of the big things was removing
like the wildflower
proposed like wildflower meadow mixture
in the floodway. Um, that is not going
to be a successful long-term element
just due to maintenance. Um,
and so that was a big element. Um we,
you know, they have just sort of a
monoulture in there that I think even if
it does flood, even if it does wash,
it's going to bounce back. Not going to
be an issue. Ornamental grasses will
provide a high high density fibrous root
system. So once established
um I do have a question Jacob whether
the success rate of the seating the
hydro seating is there an expected
outcome or success rate of the hydro
seating if a certain percentage is not
>> yes so of every square [snorts]
foot 70% has to germinate for us to sign
basically sign off on it
>> so before they get co you actually have
to have germination if not then they
have opposed to bond.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Going back to the rooftop, the plant
plants on top. Is there is it right next
to the edge? How much room is there
between that plant on the rooftop and
the edge of the building?
>> So, I think we're set back 2 feet.
>> Yeah.
>> Two feet. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Just for safety purposes.
>> And yes, there's a guard rail for safety
behind it. It's not the planter we're
counting on for the
>> Yeah. So, your guardrail will be
standard height 42 in for a fall
protection. Then you'll have a twoft
where there's a planter and then you
have a raised slightly raised parapit
that you see in the renderings.
>> So, the all you're going to see is the
hedge above the parapit and maybe the
top rail and some glass.
>> Okay. I've not seen a rail like this.
>> Yeah. So, just for clarification on
L-6.1,
the uh item number seven, the
rectangular planter. Is that the
fiberglass planter that's going up
there?
>> That's Yes.
>> Okay. So, it's just a series of those.
>> Yes. Modular. Yes. They're all standard
size.
>> What's all drained, all irrigated?
And the spec I just pulled it up is
we have a prostrate rosemary right now,
but we can uh switch it to the Hicks uh
view.
>> No, the Duke Gardens.
>> Duke Gardens.
>> Yep. Hicks is too tall.
>> Okay.
Duke Gardens U
and the plural is on gardens not on
Dukes
>> and that can be trimmed and stay healthy
like that
>> 100%.
>> Okay.
» I have a question. And I'm just curious
on L61 number eight cabana scenic. Is
that on the rooftop?
>> Yes, it's set back. You don't see it
from the street.
>> Is that reference
>> to L54S?
>> It is on 5.5.
>> So that's not included. It's the amenity
deck.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. You don't see it in the renderings
or anything. It set back a good 40.
>> Wondering where it was. Okay.
[clears throat]
» From way back there, you might see.
>> I do have a question. The the string
lights that are up there that are shown
on this plan,
>> they're in the courtyard only.
>> But it's still a rooftop courtyard.
>> No, the courtyard is on the back side
and it's on grade. It's wrapped.
What you see on on 8.4 4
>> or 5.4.
>> Yeah. Or 5.4.
That is behind the amenity deck is on
the top of the structure.
» So there's two there's an amenity deck
on level eight and there's a ground
level courtyard on B1 that's wrapped by
the building.
>> This one here.
>> Okay.
>> So where's the plan for the amenity
deck? because that is visible
from adjacent.
I mean, not if you're on the sidewalk
below the building.
>> Well, the amenity deck is set back a
good ways. Like there's uh I forget the
dimension.
>> It's going to be like Yeah. over 30 ft
from the face of the building.
>> Yeah. You're not really going to see
that from anywhere.
>> Okay. Yeah, that's that's 30 ft from the
high barit. And then you've got the
detail projections at the ground level.
So from the
>> the detail is sitting even more than
that. [clears throat]
>> This is not from a realistic
perspective. It's as if you're flying.
>> So yeah, so the amenity deck is
essentially on top of the pre-cast deck.
So it's
>> okay
>> behind the units altogether. The roof of
the units, the wood construction doesn't
have any amenities on top.
We do have three trees up there. They're
sweet base.
[clears throat] Those will bake, but
they might work.
That's going to be hot.
>> Yeah, they might.
>> That's a good plan to show
>> right here.
>> Yeah,
it's kind of in the center of the
building,
right above the pre-cast construction.
Yeah, it's just that lower bay of the
parking there like Yeah. from the
midpoint and then it's set back away
from the face of the building, right? 30
ft.
>> So, can you tell us what dimensions
those are and what square footage that
deck is roughly? I'm just curious.
>> Yeah. So, it's sitting it's sitting on
top of a of a pre-cast uh of one of the
two bays of the pre-cast. So, the depth
of it is going to be right around 60 ft.
Okay.
>> And then the it runs the entire length
of the parking deck, but you know, maybe
a little over a third of that area is
actually like an amenity clubhouse. Um,
so I I can probably do actually uh the
matrix if you have the matrix open. Um,
so we can we can tell you like so like
it's essentially it's the if you look at
the pre-cast deck, it's the bottom half
of it that runs all the way through.
So 60.
>> Yeah, it's about 100. I was going to
>> 6,000 square feet is the is the amenity
deck.
>> Okay. Well, he said 60 or
>> six 6,000.
>> Yeah, it's a 60 60 ft by about 100 ft.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> And that's that will be closed. We that
was talked about earlier, right? Closed
at a certain time at night.
And there's a sound wall and everything
to prevent the noise from going to the
neighborhood and everything. And it's so
high up
» and then touching on the the north
building quickly. It's less scope. Um so
we should be able to to get through it.
Um starting with uh 1.1 N
combine all one document.
>> Oh okay. It might be first then.
So picking up the same uh language as we
have along college with the city
standard streetscape, the 10-ft
sidewalk, the tree grates with the
stamped concrete bands. We also pick up
with the etched concrete at the the
private the retail area which you're
seeing again is PO4. There is an ongrade
planter cutout which is what you're
seeing in the void there. that will
house two uh understory trees uh that
frame that that the shape the street
tree there. Uh we have bike racks at the
corner for for the retail.
As we wrap around Strode, we go to a
5-ft sidewalk. Um and then we have a an
etched concrete connection to the to the
building. And at the leasing main
entrance designated as PO7 is the PA
that we um that we passed along.
And on the north side, the next page is
the same thing with the PA going to the
building connection and bike racks in
front and some in the back.
Uh for the lighting on 5.1,
we've got up lights the same uh that
we're using um for the south building.
And then we've got tree up lights on the
private side for the uh trees along
Strode Circle.
And that continues to the second page.
So all the trees are on private property
will still will be uplit um and service
the
trees along stroke.
And then flipping to uh the north
landscape 8.1
north,
we've got um basically the sidewalk at
the the back of code
on strode uh mixed with some some
layered landscape and the the trees we
discussed in the lawn that are up with.
and you feel comfortable about the
maintenance of the tulip poppplers along
that road and the
and them against the building.
>> Um, as far as uh the maintenance of
them, I I think that that they're a good
selection given [clears throat] the
space that we have. Um,
>> I mean, based on they're a 40 foot wide
tree and they're 10 ft from the
building.
I thought we had the the Arnold
specified there doing that.
>> It's not specified on on 7.1.
And you also have the form folded
ground. So that could have been a
so you may want to
>> Yeah, I think um we would probably
select that to the upright upright
version of that unless the the board has
a a preference something they'd like to
see. we can consider.
» No. So, what I'm talking about is along
the rigs, those tulip poppplers,
>> they're, you know, I just don't see them
being maintained unless they wanted to
do like a pleach tree, which would be,
you know, you know, very nice, you know,
kept sort of European style, but I don't
see I just see it getting butchered and
then finally removed over time. So, uh,
the only one that I think could possibly
stay as the,
uh, standard tulip popppler would be the
fourth one back cuz it's further away.
>> Yeah. And also on the north corner. And
on the north corner, that one could
probably be nudged slightly
[clears throat]
uh
to, you know, a little
uh east
southeast
uhish. And so
that one could also stay as a standard tulip popppler. But I
would just check those symbols
is even 8.0 zero has a different symbol
shown on the plan.
>> Yeah, I saw that comment that looks like
that sheet it's addressed in the plans
that reference plan.
We love we align that [clears throat]
and then just scroll up to the uh
the drivethru.
So that is a sidewalk turning
norththeast
into
that sidewalk goes and turns right
there. Is that correct? that there is a
path there,
>> okay,
» that takes you to the backside. And then
we've got a ramp because we've got the
wall along right at the property line
where we can't landscape for the
pharmacy.
area. One other thought is back by the
parking, you have pretty large beds of
the mounding
variety.
Uh it might be
more aesthetic and better to use this
picata, the spreading variety, just to
fill that in.
>> Sure.
So along along the strode side of the
north building,
the idea is keeping the tulip popppler
at the turn end and then at the further
end corner.
>> You could say four and six.
from the intersection with uh with
college
>> and what would you recommend elsewhere?
>> They're going to still use a tulip
popppler, but it's going to be the uh
variety Arnold, which is an upright,
which they have specified in other
locations on the project.
» Yeah, we have it on the the south
building. I think that is a clerical
error on the plant selection symbol. Um,
apologize for that, but yes, that should
be an upright. We can consider having
the the larger ones where you had
indicated.
There any other questions that answered?
[snorts]
» As far as I'm concerned, he's taken a
lot of the feedback
in place.
>> Um,
I know we had public comment submitted.
Do we have any other pop public comment
in addition to that? Okay. How do we
want to handle the public comment that
was
>> open up to the public comment at this
time and see?
>> But the one that was emailed to us.
>> Everyone get a copy of it.
>> Yeah.
>> You have a chance to review.
>> Okay.
» I mean, as long as we're addressing the
drainage and by the creek up to take the
handle, I don't think we have a problem.
>> Yeah. The drain is not the The per the
city storm war manager have reviewed and
tenatively approve it pending army corp
» and then evergreen in the back side of
the north building. So that was spoken
to.
>> Yep. That got dealt with
>> sidewalk was spoken to. So from me from
what I can gather and correct me if I'm
wrong as I was taking notes. I think we
need to return to just clear up the
green along the treehouse tower part. Um
and then the parking situation along
Strode
and those are the two big things that
stood out to me.
>> I I still think I still think if there's
feasible since you guys do own the
property on the side where the north
building is, if it's feasible to put
some kind of a turnaround in there um
and not lose the pull off on the side
here for uh for dropping off and picking
people up. But I just don't really I'm
not comfortable with pushing that much
traffic up to the side streets or even
around Strode
>> those turn around in the driveway right
there.
>> Um that's still pulling in pulling out.
I mean you could or you can just put if
you do a rotary if it could fit there.
You lose some of that north building
though. I mean it depends on how much
room you have there. You you'd have to
go and take a look at what we actually
have there. Um
but I think that would help out a lot if
we could fit it. It's that's That
looks like pretty good. You have this
side here which is coming up and then go
around like that. So you lose these two
corners but you lose the other
[clears throat] road here. You get the
center here. Just put traffic around
this one lane. So you go here.
That's if you can fit it. I've seen I've
seen down on the coast. I've seen some
small ones in in uh developments down
there, retirement homes that actually do
fit in here, but they're, you know, not
really made for high traffic.
>> If it's frustratingly small, it might be
something to disincentivize people to
cut through.
[laughter]
>> Just drive right over the middle.
>> Well, I mean that that's we would
probably have to have it as like a roll,
you know, roll curve.
>> Yeah, we could drive over it if we need.
>> Well, they have those down on the coast
and retirement communities that are
pretty small. We can recommend the Take
a look at
>> take a look at a fire truck.
>> It does a fire truck get through there.
But like I said, you can do things with
like a basically a bump drive over. But
>> I'm not positive there's enough room.
>> Yeah, that does not look
like
>> take if you take that off the table,
what do we say? What do we see going on
here in terms of parking?
I mean you need a place to pull off or
drop off picked up and they said they
had something in the parking deck for
that but I would still be pulling the
park deck turning around here coming out
college
>> there is nothing
on parking and there are going to be
recommendations and not
>> so there is nothing on college app to
pull off there's just a sidewalk right
>> there is a front area basically they've
designed like a pull medium you know,
area for like loading and unloading.
>> Um, kind of show you that on the other
>> that'd be on 1.2.
>> Yeah.
» Nice page. There we go. So, it's that
area.
>> This area right here.
>> Okay.
» That's all.
Yep.
>> It's not the most beautiful thing ever,
but
>> add a landscape island to screen this.
>> Appreciate that.
» But that's not like a like an Uber. It's
more like UPS.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Look for that. But we could
use it that way.
>> I mean, the other, you know, to be
devil's advocate, the other I mean, it
does take people from just parking in
the street.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's only six spots
and like you said, it's already been
approved by city council.
>> Yeah, I would like I would I would not
like to move those spots. I' I don't
want to lose any spots anywhere in town.
It's just it's just directing.
>> We can look at I mean, I'm not going to
lie to you. There has been talk about
turning rigs into a one-way street.
>> Yeah. But then every I mean, you see,
they'd have to go all the way out to
Stro. That's a long way for somebody
coming in and out of their house. That's
a rotary would would solve that if it's
feasible.
>> Yeah, it would be
Oh, just a note, you do have there's a
shadow of some things on here. There are
some alignment issues. So, whoever was
in in their drawing, there's
[clears throat] some double
where your raised planters are. It looks
like they're overlapping in weird
locations with the concrete right in
there.
>> I do see that. Yeah, we'll address that.
Yeah, it's obviously not supposed to be.
Sorry. That's what
>> I don't know as a designer like you get
the plans that
>> I do.
>> Um, so
I think he has you have a list of all of
the plant things that we discussed.
>> Yes, I do.
>> Okay.
>> And the Duke's Garden. That's the Yeah,
I mean so
>> we're considering the materials,
landscape, lighting.
>> I don't have any issue with these
materials. I think they're a great
right direction. The only thing
I can see the gray in it, but the only
thing is everything is very gray based.
And then there is
>> that's yellowower
>> like this is a little more yellow.
>> Um it's
but then, you know, I think about it in
context. there's, you know, some warm
wood and it's still a neutral tone that
I I don't have enough objection to it to
say I don't like it.
>> Sorry.
of this project before we move into
trying to make a motion.
Okay. So, based on specific feedback
type to planting and vegetation
specifically along that um garden top on
the tower, um
would anybody like to make a motion that
we approve?
>> Uh we'll make the motion.
>> Anybody like to second?
>> Second. All those in favor, please raise
your right hand.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you for your time. Thank you very
much. Appreciate it. Thank you for
looking for
your time.
>> Thank you all very much.
» Appreciate the recommendation. Last one.
Thank you.
» Thanks.
So that's going to move us into um
action item number 42025 AR11. Applicant
Ross Kler project plus is requesting
sorry
» um requesting approval of building
materials um siding colors and other
exterior features for the 106
street development. So,
>> so this is another PD,
>> a very different PD from 398 though. So,
this is a multiple B multiple building
um primarily residential. So, there are
mixture of uses as a park separately.
This PD um and basically as the agenda
described it is what your your perview
is in it um as you just stated. So, it
will be going over the buildings
themselves.
Um,
for materials, that type of thing, roof
lines, all that kind of stuff. Um,
general size has been determined by the
DD though.
And I guess with that, probably best
just to hand it over to Ros, let him uh
start walking us through this one. It's
a big one. Thank you. You'll just
introduce yourself before you present.
» [laughter]
» Just dig through there all the good
stuff.
Appreciate y'all's time. I'm Ross
project
out of Greenville. Um, yeah. So, as
Jacob mentioned, we've got a multiple
building site here. if you want to stop
there for a second. Uh just for today's
kind of purposes, let's we'll call the
left side the south and the north or the
right side the north side there. We've
got a series of different types of
buildings here, but you can see it's
kind of sprawling site. We're bicted by
Horn Street. This went through the PE
process resigning kind of got approved
last September and uh you know part of
that was to get reviewed here at V
tonight. So just trying to look for
those materials and kind of any feedback
y'all have so that we can make this
better. But um with that the the strong
site I mean our goal is to kind of kind
of focus on the the different areas that
are surrounding this and kind of the
residential buildings that are touching
there. So if you scroll down just a
little bit on the south side of the site
you can see go to back up there. So
coming in from that the further south
there coming in we've got the the
clubhouse there. So trying to keep that
as more one to one and a half story
building there to kind of match the the
neighborhood zone. And then kind of as
we transition into the site, we've got a
lot of grave we're contining with. So we
do have a garden style building there.
Three stories on the back. So closest to
the
>> the neighboring properties and four
stories more internal. As we kind of
transition through, we have more of town
home product. Those are two stories off
the the back, three stories off the uh
kind of that the the drive aisle there
on the bottom there. Uh as you progress
to the north side, we're using the same
building typology, same building sizes,
um but really focusing more efforts,
more units towards the back, which is
more buried into the site. The furthest
north we're hitting railroad tracks as
well as a large power line. you kind of
see kind of on the the right side of
this and across there we've got the the
collected which is another apartment
deal. So kind of focusing more of the density towards the back. So making
sure our scales are kind of in alignment
with the neighboring properties from
there because the site is so strong
we're looking at the materiality kind of
being very similar throughout. So that's
not like you know it appears as two
separate
projects. It's more trying to keep that
cohesive through. You'll see on Sunny
Street, which is further south.
Actually, Jake, if you go all the way to
the last three pages,
sorry for bearing all of the sizzle in
there,
unless you just want to talk plans, but
I'm assuming you for not. What page did
you want me on?
>> It's 31, I believe.
Y start there. No, go down.
» So, this is kind of a progression
through the site. The top left rendering
is kind of is the the entry into right
off Sun Street. That is the diminity
building, the clubhouse leasing. There
is a small uh there's some small study
spaces as well as more kind of flex
space for students, maybe podcast rooms,
things that we're kind of continuing to
learn about student housing kind of as
it is constantly kind of changing in the
amenity package. That back is that
second picture on the right is the back
side of that amenity space. You kind of
see it's that one and a half kind of
story approach kind of keeping with the
neighbors. Um Jake, if you scroll down
just a touch, you'll be able to see kind
of the key plan or if you can zoom out
even. So that larger building in orange
down there is what we call right up in
the middle
>> right there. Yep. So that's the the only apartment building in kind of
the southern phase. And so that four
stories is only in one section of that.
It is kind of our main terminus as
you're driving into the property. But
then kind of keeping the
if you If you scroll back up, you can
kind of see the top right. Sorry again.
So, yep, that's the view as you're kind
of driving in. It's tucked back a couple
hundred yards off of S Street. It does.
We're playing with the materialities of
Betray Hardy and some different color
vinyl windows.
U
so we're using some different color
stain sets as well as some it's a it's a
hardy accent panel but we we are using
kind of this more wood tone in c certain
areas to kind of contrast those
materials. Um, and you'll start you'll
pick up on that throughout. And as we
scroll down a little bit, the backside
is three stories. And so that's what's
facing our neighbors, the most direct
neighbors to us. And so it's trying to
drop that scale, but use the same
materiality. As you kind of pull
through, you'll start to see our town
homes are the kind of the same color
scheme, making sure that everything's
cohesive because it is so strong. And
but it's kind of a breakdown, but
similar kind of colors and language.
And then if you scroll down, you'll
start to see kind of the the repeat but
on the more dense area. So as we pull
through across Sun Street, you go
through a little bit of a parking lot
and again a couple hundred yards back,
we have these two apartment buildings
that are faced kind of skinny ways as
you're coming in. So they're not too
opposing um imposing. And then they we
actually we're sinking them down to the
four stories only impacting us
internally. There is a this is a little
bit of a stepped kind of terrace area.
where we have a music pavilion and that
kind of steps down helping to kind of
hide that. I mean, this almost looks
like it's probably bigger than it is.
Uh, but once you kind of back off the
street a little bit, it's going to feel
like a three-story building. The the
next picture is kind of that pool
pavilion and the with internal to that
four fourstory courtyard there. And then
the top right is the actual the back
side of that pool pavilion which is also
our gym area and additional mini space
for the more dense side of the of the um
the development. And then so then you'll
see some other ancillary buildings, some
maintenance shed as well as a little
bike
storage, indoor bike storage and kind of
covered area for working on those bikes.
So that's kind of the U.
>> Good job being the last one.
» Scared them all away.
>> Scared them all the way. Sorry.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. So we we've got materials here.
Y'all, I'm sure y'all are over
interested in seeing all the samples.
But um we've got s I've got samples of
the windows as well as the railing in
the car if y'all want to see those.
>> The question I have, you have two
different roof style. I mean it's not
just shingles. You have metal roofing.
Where's the metal roofing going to go?
You have metal roofing right over the
that bottom right there or here you go
right here. So over top
>> really entry point. So where you're
experiencing the most is where you we're
going to slash it with some some metal.
>> So like over on picture number left,
[laughter] sorry. Uh right there above
the decks would be a metal roof.
>> Is that
>> above the decks?
>> That part right there. No, that
shouldn't be a metal roof. That's just
asphalt shingle. Anything above
>> the the top plate, we're going to call
this just asphalt shingle.
>> Middle and front.
>> If if you can't see it, just assume it's
asphalt shingle.
>> Okay.
>> And is the um shingle color going to be
consistent throughout the development?
Okay. And which color is it on the
>> Oxford? What do we call it? Oxford gray.
>> Oxford gray. Okay.
>> It's got a little bit more depth to it
than just like a solid black.
>> A little bit of greenish gray. And we we
can tweak that a touch if y'all if you
want to, but
» yeah.
>> And the brick is that kind of grayer
mixed right consistently brick.
>> We've used that on many kind of town
home multif family projects. We can get
you more examples of kind of what that
looks like. You all know this, but the u
you know the mortar makes a big
difference too. So
>> yes. So you're using a dark gray mortar.
It says,
>> "Yeah, we What was it? Smith
dark gray."
>> Yeah, I believe it's a a Smith gray is
the type of what we've used in the past.
>> Okay.
>> It's a forget what it's called. The type
of mortar.
>> Well, thank you for not using white.
>> No, we like a little like spice up some darker colors. And you'll see in
there where we go dark, we're using dark
windows. Where we where we're white, we
go white windows. So instead of having
that that
>> that contrast
make it too busy.
>> Sometimes it looks like a black eye or
>> sorry we're trying to figure out where
some of this goes.
>> That's more of a just the stain color.
That's an example of the stain for some
of these sophets as well as we some of
these may end up being.
>> So number two on that picture on the
left drawing.
>> Yep.
>> Is that this?
>> No, it's actually a hardy panel. It will
be
>> it's a hardy addition. So it's actually
it's a no that's the TX but we actually
have
>> it will be similar to that
>> similar color but it's actually so the
Carolina Color Tones is based out of
Arden and they'll take Hardy and print
their product on top of it. It's just a
film and so it's a backing but it'll be
that white and they have different
colors and we get you I thought I had
that sample. I have all the other ones
but uh we can get you those so that you
samples.
>> Yeah, we'll send it to each of y'all's
houses. So yeah,
>> so the grain will be like applied like
>> No, it's not. So it's the hardy the wood
grain texture
>> the texture and then
>> they just print their film over top of
it. So I don't know. I'm sure we have
some that in clumps in some other like
another big name is Wood Tone which is
based out of Canada but Ardan is a local
>> manufacturer. Do they just pick a
general tone out of this?
>> No, it it it has some variation.
>> Okay.
>> And I can we've used it on multiple
projects. I can send it to you.
>> So that's that's what it looks. That's
the finished look.
>> That's Yes. That is that chestnut color.
>> It's going to have some texture and some
variation in color in it.
>> Okay.
Um,
>> and it's just an easy product to
>> There are three different tracks.
>> Yeah,
>> we
So, the honey groove is what we chose.
That's what we printed and then we got
the sample
>> here.
>> And we were a little hesitant. So, but
we'll uh
And then the board and batten is going
to be we have two different colors. So
back be that could be the black box with
the white.
>> Okay.
>> And the final materials where it would
be helpful to have them like numbers on
the pieces to like co I got pins. Yeah.
>> Great. Start right. There you go.
Uh let's take a look here.
>> [snorts]
» Yeah, it is a odd color.
>> Yeah, that was better before we got the
sample.
>> Yeah,
>> but we'll uh we'll trade that out.
>> Drinking is going to peculiar.
>> We can see where it was going with the
brick and the
>> Yeah,
>> the roof shingle color.
>> It's one of those.
>> Yeah, it almost has like brick to it.
And that's
>> So that's the No, that's the decking.
>> That's the deck decking.
>> That's the decking. Okay.
Honestly, think something darker would
end up being nice in that. I like the
brick color. I like that as a
>> Yeah, the brick color is great.
>> Uh I even like the siding.
>> Which sample is the underneath of the
roofs for like the deck, the little
porches?
>> That's the same that your wood tone.
>> Okay.
>> We can put that as a horizontal or
that the ceiling application. Iron Gray.
The black box versus iron gray. Is that
what that one is?
>> I don't know. It says iron gray.
>> Yeah, it should be black box. So, it's
similar.
I'll flip that one out for you.
So, those are similar tones. That's
hard. So those are hard to see finished
materials right there.
>> Okay.
>> And so those are a color match if you
will, but it's a
it is what do you call that? The dream
collection. That's how they refer to it.
So they just come prefish old paint on
site.
So we would need we need the actual
colors.
» Switch to those colors. See life fun.
You said you'd switch to these colors.
>> If y'all if we approve tonight, we will
switch to those colors. [laughter]
» Or is it
I I hate to even say this out loud, the
owners here, but would you we would do
we could potentially do a mockup panel,
too, so that you'd see all these and
approve them on site versus having to
>> waste more of y'all's time.
Can I see the wider one really quickly?
>> That's what makes it a bridge.
» Seven. Seven is black.
>> So seven would be a board and batten
style or
>> So we So we have board and bat and we
have some horizontal. So, but but yes,
in that zone there is bat and that's
painted black box
>> which would be the darker color whatever
that is. Okay.
>> Exactly.
>> And then that's the lighter color on the
little pop out wing.
>> Yeah.
>> Six.
» And what's the actual color of the one?
The darker one that we have here.
>> This is That's the black.
>> This is called iron gray.
>> That's what you want. Black fox. That's
going to be seven. Correct.
>> It's very similar tone there. The the
goal is for it not to be straight gray.
We want it to pull some warmth to it.
>> I like how this pulls out the darker
tones in the brick though with the black
box is going to be darker. [snorts]
>> The black box this prints a little bit
darker than probably what it is. It has
a little bit of that brown undertone
that underneath this light right now.
>> Looks a little grayer.
>> It almost has blue. We've used that same
thing on three other projects and I can
tell you that now we can take you to
those if you want to see them or you
send pictures
>> where the the difference is painting on
site versus prefinish.
» You want to look it up?
>> Where you want me to pull it up?
>> If you type in the hub green SC and
that'll have it's the same color palette
actually.
Uh the hub town homes.
>> This was probably or
» look at the architecture of the uh
clubhouse entry building.
>> Oh, there we go.
>> Yeah. So that's that's the same color
palette that we're talking about here
>> that has the wood in there.
>> And that's the black fox or
>> Yeah, that is that is iron gray. Okay.
there.
>> That is so that's the exact same dog
palette.
>> And then we got another similar
picture though. It's just finishing now,
but Kiten
Town Homes. How do I spell that? The
kit. K I T S O N.
It's going to be tough to find finished
picture though. You might be able to
find some room.
>> Yeah, that's not
>> okay.
>> Yeah, the same same. It is the same
color scheme.
I mean, I could see using that darker
color, but I could see going with the
black fox and being a little bit warmer.
I think either one.
>> I'm not sure how that works with the
deck decking color though. That seems a
little bit off.
» With that decking color
>> against that?
>> Is this that same product you're talking
about?
>> This or with this?
>> Yeah, those two. Those look good
together.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think those look fun.
>> I mean, again, it's not daylight. It's
>> That's the exact same product.
>> Oh, that's great.
>> Okay. So, and almost the same
application, right?
>> Yeah. So, it it is a Hardy material and
that's what we like about it because
people know how to install Hardy. They
don't necessarily want to do a rain
screen and kind of hold it off and
you're just asking for potential future
issues
>> and durability the bonding between the
>> It's kind of what's that
>> like between the material and the
application. It's
>> Yeah, they they have a 20 year warranty.
I don't We haven't I don't know if it's
been around for 20 years, but
» do you have any architectural renderings
of the entry building?
Like if you go back to that page,
» it's just a
>> Yeah, that number one.
>> Yeah,
>> it's just a very weird angle to the
building. And I'm trying to figure out
that is a lot of steep pitched roof
right there. That that is just
I actually kind of like it
because it's just different. It's I mean
it doesn't look it almost looks churchy
in a way.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, but I like I mean or European.
It look to me it looks very more
contemporary European like with that
>> higher slope. I actually is that a
vaulted space within there.
>> Y that's a little hangout space right
there and then it transitions over to
the study rooms.
>> Do you have is this drawing X1 X1? Yeah.
Okay.
you know, so the you know, every you
start looking at these apartment deals,
especially guard style, and every
it's just rinse, repeat. They stamp the
same clubhouse over and over. So,
>> trying to spice that up, but not be too
foreign.
>> It does.
>> So, that's your gym.
>> There we go.
>> It's a little refreshing. I mean, I
think it's
>> especially with the prominent chimney. I
just
doesn't read up the vernacular around
here, but it it's pleasant to me.
>> It's a pleasant I think it's pleasant.
>> What are the chimney caps? Metal or uh
like
>> ceramic?
Was there an inspiration for that or
just kind of a break more of a break
from the break from the typical was the
inspiration?
>> I mean the the materiality is the same
as the rest. So trying to tie that all
together. Um the the gable roof forms
are just from the neighboring
properties. you have the larger kind of
hardy panel massing that's kind of
trying to bring it a little bit more
commercial but and kind of tie back into
the rest of the project but it's there I
don't I can't say I have a true pre is
there an actual fireplace
>> there's fireplace it' be gas so that's
you know we don't fully need that
chimney that's more that's aesthetics
>> I like it because it looks substantial
versus flimsy and so much of what's
built around here looks flimsy
>> you
I just like the weight of it.
» This is the one that we can't comment on
the landscaping, right?
>> I mean, you can comment [laughter]
in there.
>> I saw something somewhere.
>> I mean, if you want to give us any
comments that that most developers
appreciate your comments, but
I mean, we're here to make it better.
>> Any comments at all?
So, you're rendering plantings on page
on this don't really match what's on the
landscape plan.
And I think the cont like there's not a
lot of room. It's like building and
sidewalk.
I don't know if there's any way to give
yourself a little more
>> driveway. We shut it off.
>> I would just give yourself a little more
room cuz I mean you could stand on the
sidewalk and you know basically you're
standing next to like within 5t of that
whole the whole whole thing. I would say
that if you could give yourself enough
room to give the silhouette of some
trees against that room because it it
has that it does have that sort of
sort that end has that sort of European
rustic. I mean you could almost feel it
especially when you see it in the
context with like the conifers and
stuff. We don't have a lot of good one a
lot of good conifers here.
um
per se, but I would just say in the in
the field, I think just making sure you
have enough plant material to have it
not just feel shoved up on the sidewalk.
Um
and and and [clears throat]
you'll still see the roof, but having
the silhouettes of the trees there, I
think would
help that.
>> Do you have any tree species you would
recommend?
>> I was looking to see what y'all had
specified because I if you had something
good specified, I wasn't going to,
you know, say anything bad about it
for first,
but it's not
Oh, let's see.
You don't have any you It says like
parking canopy tree. Uh like you just
call out I mean, you're going to want
something there um that can handle like
an urban type environment
>> just because you're so close to the
sidewalk and the building. So, the heat
radiating
off of it. Um,
[sighs]
you could do a like if you wanted some
color, you could do a like a narrower
oak or like a narrower maple tree, like
a trident type maple. Um,
>> what are those shaggy um evergreens that
we put by Dixie? Those actually turned
out pretty well.
>> Was it the
>> You talking about
>> They're either the cryptoaria or are
they diodor cedars?
>> Cedars of some sort of cedars.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like the diodor cedars.
>> There's some narrow varieties there.
>> Those are the ones along the
>> trail side of Bixby. Cedars that would
look really good with this building.
>> So
meal just an image of those.
>> Yep.
I can't. Yeah, it's been a while.
>> They're next to
me. [laughter]
>> No problem.
>> I'm sure if you send a picture of the
landscape architect on the
>> Yeah,
» okay.
So, I guess y'all have a specific list
of trees that can be used. Um, please do
not use a winged elm. Please do not use
a silver maple,
but they've grown quite a bit since
then.
>> I would say everything else on those on
those upper story trees.
Um, the only reason I'm thinking a maple
and not a oak is if you're right next to
the sidewalk. You don't want all the
acorns, ankle twisting, whatever.
>> So, um, I would go that way.
>> Um,
but I think there's there's some ways to
have a lot of fun with the character
there.
>> So, um,
>> what were those shoes called? Diodor.
>> I've got Diodor Cedar.
>> Cedar. Yeah, they're not on this
approved list. And I'm sorry, what was
this?
>> That's the ordinance that council
approved in relationship to this
specific PD.
>> I'm sure we can, you know,
>> so approve. I'm sure we can.
>> Yeah, I'm sure.
>> Those are just kind.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> But these are these are the seeds when
they're first put in over there. Oh, so
those are actually um those are ball cypress.
>> Ball cypress.
>> Yeah, those are not cedars.
>> Ball cypress.
>> Um they are they are deciduous. They're not grain. Um
[snorts]
but
>> yeah, they they've grown quite a bit. So
they seem to be taking their herbs
deeper.
>> Yeah, they can. I think I think we would
want to stay evergreen there. Yeah,
>> I think you're right.
[clears throat]
>> So, I'm going to write the indoor cedar,
but we might I'll follow up with the
landscape architect on that.
>> And there are some narrow varieties they
could do there.
Um, that that could fit in.
And those are very longlasting trees.
>> All of
what
>> can we get a dwarf species?
>> Yeah. Okay. But I mean there's nothing
wrong with a tall tree. It's
>> true. As long as we have the right area
for it, right?
>> Well, those can be lived up. So, for
example, between right to the left down
the hill from Tilman, that whole grove
of trees um headed, you know, that that
are all limbmed up 20, 30 feet, those
are all diodor cedars.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah.
>> Very cool. So,
you can you can limb those up as they
grow pretty easily.
>> Okay.
I like that.
I mean,
» for the rest of the architecture, it
really just looks like a normal
apartment complex. I mean it it's
>> yeah it has that contemporary player
with the color palette and
>> plus it's not really visible from any
road.
>> Yeah. I think what everyone's going to
see is this building up front.
>> Yeah about it.
>> That's the rest of it. You're going to
have to be inside
>> a little past how to house to your
right.
>> Yes, exactly. That's right. So where the
entrance of the current varsity is, it's
going to be to the left and kind of push
back from that. Can you pull up like a
view?
>> No, like a Google Maps view. Just
>> everything in this is black and white.
And I want to move on. It all looks the
same.
Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So, we are coming in basically. See
where this house is right here?
>> Right there. And wrapping around to this
big area back here.
>> So, you have railroad tracks on the back
side. You have an apartment complex on
the northeast. You have Harris ter on
the southeast.
And then there's the hotel
>> there. Yep.
>> And is that that Hawthorne Streets a
public street?
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. But it's going the development is
going to kind of go right across.
>> Yeah.
>> So tell me about which I know we don't
have any say so on, but I'd love to hear
about the public park area.
>> Yeah.
>> John, do you want to do you want to talk
about that? I don't I'm not as familiar
with the public park.
>> So, was that part of the PD?
>> You might as well.
>> Yep.
>> So, yeah, I think overall we were
required to get 1 point 10 10% of the
site to uh qualify as park. You can see
it. Um
it is kind of meandering down. We have a
stream. So, we we have a couple issues
with those transmission lines. Those are
Duke power lines very restrictive in
terms of
>> what you can do beneath them. And then
we have the stream. So we thought it'd
be best appropriate. We're going to come
in. We we I don't know if you guys
remember from the sorry from the
planning commission and council the 10 foot wide interodal um path
throughout the site. Um we're running it
all the way over to the park uh with
public access easements. We've been
through that with Jacob and the guys
where those easements will get
dedicated. We're also dedicating
easements to adjacent properties. So,
when you looked at it earlier, you saw
uh the community, the big community to
the north, railroad tracks, but the area
kind of eastish is is kind of something
that the city's got earmarked as it's
going to be a redevelopment.
>> I have a guy who's coming in right here
with a little like tiny actually sent me
pictures of what they're going to look
like. Great whole container house kind
of modern things coming up here that
he's going to want to connect to your
park in the back. So, so yeah, we made
an effort so it would connect so it
wouldn't just be an isolated park. It'll
hopefully match up with these other
properties that'll probably have some
scale or density to them. Um, and then
you [clears throat] can use these
walking trails and get back on that
10-ft trail or the 10-ft intermoal uh
connectivity all the way out to the bus
stop that we're installing in front of
Bo or um Bojangles. And then 93
eventually is going to get restriped to
be like way more uh bicycle friendly. So
that's, you know, that was kind of our
goal. Jacob was working on that.
Hopefully we get like the the commuter
bikes from the university. They're
reluctant to do it now because of just
safety issues, but hopefully once 93
gets restriped and becomes like a true
um bicycle lane that you'll be able to
ride it all the way up into this park.
That just again kind of one more uh uh
what's that term like in the arm,
you know, just building upon the the the
network of
>> So that 10-ft pathway system, just so I
understand, is on the page south of all
that parking,
>> correct? Yeah. by going
>> from Hawthorne where it splits all the
way around in front of that parking to a
like the walking trails.
>> Okay.
» And the toebo I mean if you've driven by
it the toe back there is like it's
crazy. It's a it's a pit. So it's um you
know worked with Nathan trying to get
you know that inter modal has to be
>> you know it has to you know it's got
pretty stringent uh slope requirements
things like that. So, we got it as far
in as we could and then take it over
with some of the walking trails.
>> And that's is that a retention pond on
the east?
>> That's an open pond. Yep. To the east.
>> Okay.
>> And then that, you know, again, that's
buried way back in there. So, again,
when Ross was telling you about the two
buildings 13 and 15, when you're driving
at Hawthorne, they're down
>> Yeah.
>> significantly. And then the pond is
hidden behind building 14. And then the
only people that would really see it is
another student housing community up
above it to the northeast. So, it's kind
of concealed back there.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh,
that's a uh you know, public park, just
as a side note, um
Hollingsworth
uh has done a great and actually just
won an award for their public park
quality and preservation. Uh and and so
uh no, I'm glad that there is something
in there.
>> We're going to leave it pretty natural.
That was what Tony did. Well, you know,
keep pretty we'll thin it out some
invasive and stuff like that. We'll keep
it pretty natural, but where they built
that spur line off the swamp over
>> Yeah. I mean, that's really what this
is. So, it's it's more than just
striping on 93. We're going to do an
actual 10 foot wide multimodal trail
down all of 93.
>> And he's bringing this out all the way
past Harris ter out to 93. So this is
going to be cuz we're event, you know,
we're developing a pretty good bike
system around. It's going to take time,
but this will be the spur to a park.
>> I mean, you kind of picture you go for a
bike ride down 93, you go stop at Harris
ter grab something, and then you go off
into this park to go eat, you know, have
a little picnic back there. That'll
>> be pretty cool.
Um, so I I think even though
I think we're fine with the colors as
presented, right?
>> If you want to
>> just mark these as that.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think we'd probably feel
more comfortable approving what we see,
right?
>> Well, either that or we have to have new
samples of the actual colors. But I
mean, this this works and if this works,
I don't see
>> why not using it. Yep. mark up.
» And uh the decking I think works best is
the river bank.
I think is the
» Yeah.
It just has a good
>> good
don't do it justice. I meant it reads I
meant the colors are much better.
>> Yeah.
>> In person.
>> I agree.
» So, any other comments or concerns?
>> You're doing like the gray route or
>> It's a black
>> black route. Okay.
>> Or dark gray? Dark gray.
>> Saying
>> No, it says dark gray.
>> We're going with the colors we see here.
>> Okay.
>> No, but on the brick it says dark gray
on the mortar.
>> Yeah, it's a Smith. I mean, the one we
typically use is Smith gray.
» That's a
>> Does it look like that?
>> It's a little lighter than that. I mean,
it's the same if you still have the hub
up. I mean, that's what the color comes
out to.
>> It's that one. So, it actually comes out
a little bit lighter. I mean, that's
obviously probably a little bit washed
out in sun, but it's
>> Smith probably touch that.
>> Okay.
>> And I think honestly similar
>> the real sample just like notice on the
others is probably a little better than
this show.
>> Okay.
» That's got some warmth in there.
Obviously, the the colors next to it
help warm it up as well.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
>> Well, is there anybody willing to make a
motion?
Now I'll make a motion to approve.
>> A second.
>> Second.
>> All those in favor, please raise your
right hand.
>> Okay, there you go. Thank you much.
>> Appreciate your time.
» Appreciate it.
>> I think
>> does he need to keep them?
>> Do we keep the We want to keep the
board, right?
>> Yeah. Well,
>> give me a mark and keep it. However you
want to do it, we need to have up
something that tells us those so I don't
mark up.
>> Also, I mean, I'm going to update our
system. I can send you back a new one,
too.
>> Yep. Either way is fine.
>> Okay.
That moves it own uh staff
reports. Do we have any staff reports?
>> Um,
nope. I don't think so. We So both
Christine and David are um rotating off
the board.
So I think we do have applications in. I
don't know who applied but neither of
them applied to be back on the board. Um
but I think we do have five applicants.
So you go to another board.
>> Well, no moving on to bigger better
things. zoning committee
zoning speech in Europe for a year.
>> Oh, he gets go. Yeah. Okay, I
understand.
>> Zoning appeals board that makes noise a
year.
>> Yeah.
>> Here's one more sample. Okay.
>> Okay. And any other business for
tonight?
>> Okay.