26. I welcome committee members who are
with us here in the audience and those
who are watching at home. Will the
secretary please take role? Commissioner
Vanderm
» Present.
» Commissioner Murphy
» Here.
» Commissioner Edsil
» Here.
» Vice Chair Davidson
» Here. and chair chair lemon here.
» Thank you. And um now Commissioner Zel
will lead us in the pledge of
allegiance.
» Yes, please stand and put your hand over
your heart.
I
» Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
» Thank you. Our um next item on the
agenda is our consent calendar. Are
there any items that any commissioner
would like to pull for discussion?
I'm fine. Okay. So, seeing none, is
there a motion to approve the consent
calendar?
» So, moved.
» I'll second it.
» Thank you. Please call for a vote.
» Commissioner Vander Muan,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Murphy,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Edel,
» Yes. Vice Chair Davidson,
» Yes.
» Chair Leone,
» Yes.
» Okay. And the motion passes.
And next, um, our general public
comments. This is, uh, for any person of
the public, um, who would like to speak
on an item that is not on tonight's
agenda.
Okay. Seeing um no comments, we will
close a public comment and move on to
the next item um which is uh commercial
plan development 258 Rove Operating LLC
with a recommendation to adopt a
resolution approving the CPD. And we'll
now hear a presentation.
Okay.
» Thank you, Chair Leone. This item will
be presented by associate planner Serena
Gonzalez.
Good evening, commissioners and members
of the public. Um, tonight I will be
presenting on CBD 258, Rove. Um,
this is a request uh made by Matt Stow
from Rove Operating LLC to construct a
new EV charging station and market on
approximately 6 61,552
square ft of a vacant 2.79 acre lot
located on the corner of Ventura
Boulevard and Camaro Center Drive.
The project site has a general plan
designation of commercial and zoning
designation of commercial plan
development.
To the north of this site is Ventura
Boulevard and the 101 freeway.
To the east of this site, you have the
motel right here and then the mobile
home development down here. Uh to the
south of the project site will be the
Quickquack project site um and also a
portion of the Camrio Premium Outlets.
And then to the west is another portion
of the Camaro Premium Outlets.
Um this is the existing site, a view
from Camaro Center Drive facing
southeast. Um it is currently just grass
and some other miscellaneous uh shrubs
and bushes. Uh two previous um
developments have been approved for the
site but were never constructed. Um that
was an automobile service station and aa
building. Um but the vacant the site has
remained vacant since.
Here is uh the site plan. You can see
that there is an area for the retail
building here. Um the tenant will be
determined at a later date. Um and then
over here will be the parking lot with
approximately 40 EV charging spaces. The
EV charging equipment will be located
along this east property line here.
Um this is the phasing plan. Uh the
applicant
um proposes to do this project in two
different phases. The first being um
underground infrastructure in the
parking lot here with the EV chargers
and um before the building is built, the
applicant will be required to maintain
this building pad here with landscaping.
Um keep it looking nice until a tenant
is identified. um and the second phase
uh commences.
Um
there will also be a shared loading dock
that you can't see on this specific um
site plan, but you'll be able to see it
on the quick hack one. Um that'll be
right in the middle. So that way both
sites have access um for loading. There
won't be too much loading for either of
them as it's a relatively small market.
And then the um car wash doesn't get too
many deliveries.
Uh we went over the elevations a bit
during architectural review, but um to
kind of go through them again, you can
see here um the east and west
elevations. They are um done in an early
Californian Mediterranean uh style that
is
compliant with the heritage zone as well
as the specific plan. Um here shows a
mural mockup as well as these two. Um
the final design of the mural will be
subject to um the approval of the
community development department um at a
later time. Uh the building will be done
in gray tones um that comply with the
heritage zone. And here are the north
and south elevations. Um you can see
that the building includes different
types of trelluses um and features to
break up the um facades.
Here's also the materials board. So you
can see the the glazing of the windows
to tie in the colors, the three
different gray tones as well as um the
metal that will be used on or the
aluminum that will be used throughout
the building
to streamline environmental review. Um
Parker Environmental prepared a single
class 32 categorical exemption report
for both Quickquack Car Wash and Rove
charging and market projects. Um these
two developments share the same parcel
or both infill commercial uses
consistent with zoning and the general
plan. The combined analysis
um confirm that neither project triggers
any exceptions to the exemption. There
are no unusual circumstances, cumulative
impacts or significant effects related
to traffic, air quality, noise or
biological resources. The project is
fully served by existing infrastructure,
water, sewer, storm water, and emergency
services. So, no extensions or major
upgrades are needed. The site has no
sensitive habitat habitats, is currently
vacant, and contains only ornamental
trees and invasive grasses. US Fish and
Wildlife Service data confirms that
there are no endangered or threatened
spec species or critical habitats here.
Air quality was a key consideration
given the site's proximity to
residential uses. The analysis applied
Ventura County Air Pollution Control
District's thresholds and modeled
construction and operational emissions
using Cal EOD. The results indicate that
nitrogen oxides emissions will be
approximately 22 pounds per day.
While that figure may sound high, it is
important to note that this is a
regional planning metric, not not a
health-based standard. The VCA PCD
threshold for significance is 25 pounds
per day, and the project remains below
that level. Compliance with this
threshold means that the project's
contribution to regional air quality
impacts is considered less than
significant under SQA. Furthermore,
actual exposures for nearby residents,
including those in adjacent mobile home
parks, will be far below harmful
concentrations because emissions
disperse quickly and represent a
negligible increase compared to existing
background levels. A detailed sound plan
analysis modeled worst case conditions,
assuming all EV chargers and HVAC units
operating simultaneously, and confirmed
compliance with city standards. At the
nearest residential property line,
predicted project noise is only about 49
dBA during the day and 38 at night,
which is below the city's limits of 55
during the day and 45 at night. Combined
levels remain at existent ambient
conditions measuring the pro project,
meaning the project will not increase
noise exposure for nearby residents. To
enjoy ensure continued compliance, a
post-operational noise study will be
required after opening.
Um, tonight staff recommends that the
planning commission find that the
project qualifies for a class 32
categorical exemption pursuant to
section 15332 of the California
Environmental Quality Act guidelines and
that they adopt a resolution approving
CPD 258 subject to the recommended
conditions of approval.
All right,
that's it. Thank you.
» Thank you. Do any of the commissioners
have questions for staff?
Um,
on
on the two projects on one lot, do we
know if those are going to be leased or
eventually divided or do we have any
clue on that?
» Currently, it is one owner. Um, okay. We
have not indicated specifically whether
they will sell them off. Um, they're
maybe talks about lots, but we haven't
determined quite yet. Okay,
» I'm done.
» Yeah. On the two different uses,
are will they be two different owners?
» Uh, yeah. uh for the
» Yeah, I'm sorry. So, there's two
different CDP
» CPDs. Yes.
» CP Yes. in front of us. And are each of
those a different owner?
» Yeah. The businesses will be owned
separately, but the parcel is currently
owned by one owner
» And they will lease the land, I guess,
from I got it. Okay.
» All right. And then the the noise
studies that you mentioned, the 49 dBA
during the day and I think 38 at night.
Um was that done by a recent noise study
for the through the through through the
applicant?
» Yes, it was um prepared specifically for
this project um updated as recently as
October 30th.
» Okay. And then how soon after the
project is up and running will the
future uh noise study be required?
» We have conditioned it I believe for six
months after
» Six months. Okay. Thank you.
» I have a question. Uh did the uh traffic
engineer or anybody did they look into
the concern about the traffic going into
there?
» Yes. And we have uh Rick Aos here. Um if
you have any specific questions or if
you would like him to speak on that.
» I I just saw this one comment we got and
I thought they made some good points
that should at least be discussed. So, I
just want to know what they did they do
a traffic study or
» Um they did submit a traffic study as
part of that um as part of their
application
» And and they they're not requiring any
kind of medication for it. They didn't
think that was necessary.
» No, that the um traffic study and I'm
sure Rick can go into this in a little
bit more detail um did not show that
there would be any need for any
mitigation measures.
» Okay.
Thank you.
I have a question. Could you go back to
one of the slides that just shows the
general um y
» Overall of the area? I think it's the
one that showed where the where
everything was.
» This one or the other one there was
» Um back further. It's the one that
showed There we go. That one.
» Thanks for that. Um
» I and I guess I'm hearkening to what the
um public comment said. Mhm.
» We below to the south of this, we've got
this beautiful culde-sac that that
somebody had to build and yet the only
access that it provides is to the to the
Nike area of the outlet.
Why didn't the the
landowner developer seek to use that as
access to the property instead of I know
there's an apron already built to the
property, but it it seems to me quite a
waste of a perfectly good culde-sac and
that would certainly alleviate maybe
some of the traffic queuing problems so
close to another intersection. Is there
can somebody kind of talk to that a
little bit?
» Um
the project site on that apron that you
were just mentioning there will be a
road that is in here but um I believe
that Rick would probably be a little
better suited to discuss those options.
» I have an additional question regarding
the traffic studies that have been done.
First of all, were the traffic studies
also done for the previous applications,
the I think it was a service station and
and aa um building and was any
consideration given to a a free turn
free right turn from Camrio Center Drive
uh onto Ventura Boulevard. I I I know
that that that would help relieve the
the traffic congestion at that
intersection. Um, but it's only for the
limited time that's the the holiday
season. The rest of the year it's,
you know, I don't know if that gets
incorporated into the traffic analysis,
but I was wondering if had if a free
turn had been considered for that
location.
» A free turn from which direction? I'm
sorry.
» Yeah. So, free right turn from Camrio
Center Drive to Ventura Boulevard.
uh just just at the corner to make the
right turn going northbound.
» The right turn doesn't need to stop
because that that's where a lot of the
congestion seems to happen.
» Well, again limited to the holiday
season,
» Right? Uh yeah, thanks for the question.
um that location has is all signalized
now. And I think that uh you know when
you put in a free ride like that then
that causes additional concerns uh
because then you have the possibility of
people uh going uh eastbound and
possibly running into the people that
are making that right turn. It would
just uh we didn't look into that for
this particular case. Uh that wasn't one
of the things that uh was looked at for
the traffic impact study. Uh, and as far
as other studies, uh, those are a little
bit older and those kind of predate
myself, so I haven't seen any of those
studies in the past or from the past.
Um, but to to go back to the
question as to why the
uh, location going into the culde-sac
wasn't uh, suggested. uh that would
probably be need to go back to the
designers and u to see how they why they
wanted to go that way. Uh the reason I
would think that they probably did it
was probably because this is probably
the the first entrance and it's a little
easier to see where the entryway to the
loca to the uh quick quack and the rove
would be
um using the other entryway you would
have to kind of drive all the way down
to the back and around and that would be
another issue. Uh the other thing would
that I'm would assume is that that would
shrink down the size of the Quickquack
uh location. And so if it's shrunk down
then that may cause additional issues
for the queuing inside.
» So we want they want to keep that as
large as possible. This way it doesn't
spill back out uh onto the roadway.
But uh to kind of go back to the
original question, uh that was
submitted. Um you know, we understand
that the concern about the queueing of
Ventura Boulevard and the traffic study
shows uh no major adverse impacts. Uh
however, because this is a constrained
location, a potential queueing will be
addressed through the final striping. Uh
and um final striping and signing review
as required by the conditions of
occupancy. Uh, so some of the things
we're thinking about was possibly like a
keep clear at the intersection so that
when people are coming down to make a
left, they can make a left turn into the
location directly. So if there's a lot
of traffic and is backed up to that
point, that'll keep clear and that'll
keep the traffic that's going southbound
and they can make that left turn into uh
the driveway. Uh, and then possibly
we're going to see if we can squeeze in
a little bit of a left turn pocket in
there also to try to adjust that.
Um they also mentioned new traffic
signals. That was one of the questions
that was on there. Uh just because of
the number of you know it's too close to
the other intersection as it is and the
other signals. So we wouldn't be able to
put that uh that in there. And same
thing with stop signs. It's just too
close for that type of situation. Uh but
we might be able to go through and
fine-tune the signal that's out there
now. we can try to manage that so that
we can uh adjust for the number of
turning vehicles that we would have uh
driving down the um going south and then
um
I think we uh discussed the access
points on Ventura Boulevard. Well,
Ventura Boulevard uh sort of the same
situation uh because of what we've got
like if you're try to find another
location to make an access point coming
off of Ventur Boulevard first. It's a 45
mile an hour north street and we already
have enough entryways on Ventura
Boulevard as it is and this uh would
become cause some issues because they've
got their equipment on the east side of
the street there or east side of the
project and that would cause some
additional uh issues trying to get in
and out of there and it's just kind of
shifting the problem around.
» Yeah. Um, so,
um, and and as I mentioned earlier, I
think for the quick whack, it might
cause those other issues if they were to
come in from Hughes. So,
» Thank you. Appreciate that. And I I know
that with the outlets being a major
economic driver that the city is very
keen to um concerns and issues in the
area. So, I have no doubt that you guys
will be watching it. So, I I appreciate
your comments in the fact that you were
already thinking about um mitigation
efforts uh however slight. So, um, your
answer gives me great, um, confidence.
Thank you.
» Thank you,
» Commissioner Murphy.
» Yes, I I appreciate your your response
as well. Um, you mentioned, I think,
three items. Signal phasing,
striping, and left possibly squeezing in
a left turn lane. Were you on the left
turning lane? Were you referring to
Camrio
Center Drive to access these projects?
Yes, that' be uh Cam Center Drive. Uh we
would
we would really need to I I was trying
to draw it out a little earlier to see
how how it would fit. We might be able
to fit like a a twocar left turn pocket
in there. We may need to reduce the
existing by a few feet, but it'll be
pretty close. But but that's the thing
that so when they submit that we'll take
a look at that striping plan and see
what we can do and and try to maximize
uh that queuing areas to turn into that
driveway.
» I see. And will that be their striping
plan or just that the city working with
the applicant to
» It's part of the conditions that they
submit that to us and then we'll review
it and then we can modify as needed.
» All right. Thank you. That's great.
» Sure.
» Okay. Seeing no further questions, uh,
I'll open it up to the, um, public. Do
any community members have, um, any
comments to share with the commission,
including the applicant?
Okay, seeing none, um, we'll close the
public hearing and this item's open for
discussion.
Um,
I didn't
really have um, any too much as far as
discussions. Um, and one thing I did
notice, um, on that culde-sac, because I
parked right on that culde-sac to look
at the lot, there was a gate going in to
the road that runs behind or down to the
motel and along the back of the mobile
home park.
» So, I don't know if that has something
to do with, you know, a the ability to
use that culde-sac for, you know,
getting in and out.
» So,
» Any other comments? No other comments.
» Okay. And do we have an architectural
review report?
» Um, we do have an architectural review.
We did look at it. We really like the
design. Um, we did I had some
discussions or I had a concern and we
had some discussions on the color tones.
Um, that maybe in the future they might
consider going more towards a taupe or
gray to fit in more with the colors
around. But um applicants did state that
this was like their standard color for
that company. Um but it is totally
different than anything in the area. So
our recommendation is that we are
approving it but hoping that in the
future they can have some discussions on
the color.
» And I think the applicant mentioned that
they're fairly locked into those colors.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah.
Um we we did talk about instead of the
darker the the grays um the term grayge
came up combination of of gray and beige
obviously.
» Um um so we would again
» Encourage some reconsideration along
those lines but it's it's not a deal
breaker for us. Thank you.
» Any questions for the architecture
review committee? I did have comment.
Staff said um regarding the public art
requirement and that that the what was
provided was kind of just generally
represented and that it would be brought
back and staff would approve that. Is
that did I hear that correctly? And is
that I thought hearkening back to to
past ones, it was the architectural
committee that sort of put the final on
the on the actual art or at least the a
pretty close rendering. So I'm wondering
if there was a change there.
» Uh you would be correct. it would come
back to planning commission for
approval.
» I I
» I think I may have been a little
confusing when I said my
» Hearing aids don't work. So,
» Thank you.
» Yeah,
» That was my only question. Thank you.
» Yes, we do expect this to come back when
they get to I believe it was said the
second phase for the building.
» Thank you.
» So, okay, makes sense. Great. Thank you.
» Correct.
» I just had a question. I know it's near
the freeway, so it's within the heritage
zone. Did the architectural review
committee compare that to what the
heritage zone requirements are?
» Yeah, we did look as as far as they they
put in the arches, they put in grow
work, they put in some things to even
though it does have a more modern look
to it. Mhm.
» Um they did put in some touches that
bring it into uh code for meeting those
designs
» Because the architectural review
committee I don't think requires
necessarily the Spanish style but it
» Requires just an enhancement because
it's in the visual corridor as we
» Right
» Pass through Camrio.
» Yeah. So it it I mean the heritage, you
know, does have specific
architectural designs that it has to be
in line with.
» And I know when I first looked at it, it
looked really like more modern than
Spanish Mediter Medit Mediterranean um
or the things on the list. But yet by
the time they did go to the to um put in
the arches and soften it or put in the
different characteristics going around
the building that kind of brings it into
um that category
» And we do have to look at looking at
maybe modernizing the characteristics a
little bit
» You know at times. So
» Okay thank you. you know, and on the
color, we did we did acknowledge that
there are more grays going in like in
the um industrial areas and different
areas of construction along the freeway
area or even off of the freeway area. Um
but yet when you drive around the
outlets, it's not, you know, very
predominant there.
» Thank you.
» So,
» Okay, hearing no further discussion. Is
there a motion on this item?
You'll make a motion for approval.
» I'll second.
» Can you please call for a vote?
» Commissioner Vanderm,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Murphy,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Edsil,
» Yes.
» Vice Chair Davidson,
» Yes.
» Chair Leone,
» Yes.
» Okay. And the motion passes. And the the
next item on the agenda is related to
the one we just heard, item D. with um C
CPD259,
the quick quack car wash, uh which will
also begin with the staff presentation.
» Thank you, Chair Leone. Uh this item
will be presented again by associate
planner Serena Gonzalez.
» Yeah, apologies if anything sounds
repetitive. It's a lot of the same
information. Uh so this one will be for
CPD 259 at Quickquack Car Wash. Um this
is a request made by Don Shiveley um on
behalf of Quickquack to construct a
3,588
square foot car wash on 59,810
square ft of a vacant 2.79 acre lot
located at the corner of Ventura
Boulevard and Camaro Center Drive. The
project site has a general plan
designation of commercial and zoning
designation of commercial planned
development.
To the north of the site will be the
Rove project as previously discussed as
well as Ventura Boulevard. To the east,
that motel and then the mobile home park
to the south um the portion of the
outlets and then also the other portion
of the outlets to the west.
the site vacant as we have discovered.
Um it had those two previous projects
for the automobile repair center and the
AAA building approved, never
constructed.
Um
here you can see the site plan. Um cars
will come in off of Camaro Center Drive.
um go in through this long driveway that
has about 5,000 square feet of queuing
area with a double lane. Um that greatly
exceeds their requirement for queuing.
Um they are only required about 2,000
square ft. Um as their uh peak
operational number is 41 cars per hour.
Um, so hopefully that will uh prevent
any cars from queuing into Camaro Center
Drive so we don't have any um traffic
back up from the project specifically.
Um,
sorry.
The project also um proposes three
parking spaces for employees which is
compliant with code stating that uh
there is one spot required per employee
um at the largest amount of um employees
required per shift. Um, there will also
be 10 spaces as you can see here and
here that will be for uh cars that are
going to vacuum and utilize those vacuum
and um other cleaning products that they
have for the insides of the car post
coming out of the car wash. Um the car
wash you exit after going through the
tunnel and then through that area here
for vacuuming onto this middle road
right here. Um this area as I mentioned
before um there is a loading zone. So
there will be a little loading zone
there that's shared between the two
projects. Um and then their trash
enclosure for this project is right
here. Um when the cars exit, they'll go
past here and back out onto Camo Center
Drive.
Here you can see um this is the
sorry north and south elevation. You can
see that they included some stone veneer
along the bottom and then up the sides
of the building. Here there's some
different massing to break up the
elevation and um different accents on
the windows and along the parapit roof
line um in order to add some more visual
interest to the building. Those same
types of architectural features can be
seen throughout that south
um elevation. And then here you can see
both the entrance to the tunnel and the
exit. Um there will be some signage that
community development will review and
approve at a later time. Um and you can
see here that there is this beigy orange
color that is used um that ties in well
with the earth tone requirement of the
heritage zone. Um, here's a better kind
of view of the materials being used. You
can see the different stone in the stone
veneer, the stucco for the walls, and
then those different accent colors
along. Um,
oh, I guess I didn't include, and I
showed this in the architectural review,
I forgot to put in the canopies, but um,
there will also be canopies that you can
see on the site plan here. Um those
canopies will be of
um the more brown color and they will
also have um trash cans throughout that
are disguised in a little orange ball.
So that way um you can't really see it
from anywhere except for right under
those canopies.
Um,
and this is going to sound probably
exactly like the last presentation, but
uh, Parker Environmental prepared a
single class 32 um, categorical
exemption report. Um,
and this report was for both projects.
The combined analysis confirmed that
neither project triggers any exceptions
to the exemption. and there are no
unusual circumstances, cumulative
impacts or significant effects related
to traffic, air quality, noise or
biological resources. The project is
fully served by existing infrastructure.
There are no sensitive habitats um and
air quality was a key consideration. Um
there they will be below Ventura
County's threshold of 25 lbs per day of
um nitrogen oxides at around 22 pounds
per day. As I mentioned before, it's
really important to keep note that that
is a countywide project um threshold,
not the project specific. So,
it would really need to be all projects
in the county to really make a huge
impact on neighboring residential uses
um and just overall air quality.
Um there was also, as mentioned before,
um a noise study that was done. The
noise study was done for both sites. So,
the um project will only put out about
49 dB during the day and 38 at night um
which is below the city's limits.
Staff recommends that the commission
find the project qualifies for a class
32 categorical exemption pursuant to
section 15332 of the California
Environmental Quality Act guidelines and
that they adopt a resolution approving
CBD 259 subject to the recommended
conditions of approval. And that's it
for this one. Thank you.
» Great. Thank you. Um any questions for
the staff? I don't
» I don't Commissioner Murphy, your turn.
» I just have one. Um, this has to do with
the entry for the project, which is the
entry for both projects. Will the
striping plan
um have a prohibitive bar or a signage
that encourages folks to not block the
entryway or the intersection?
um as especially during the holiday
season.
» Uh thank you, Commissioner Murphy. Yes.
Uh we we can go ahead and look at that
and uh we when we look at the striping
plan, we can add that in there. And
during the holidays, we can make those
type of changes. And as things go and we
we start to see these type of things
happen, we can make modifications as
needed. Add additional signage and and
other striping changes if we need to.
» That sounds good. See what's working as
it as it goes.
» Exactly. We'll get a better idea of how
everything's operating.
» All right. Thank you. That's it for me.
» Is it called quick quack? Okay.
Quickquack. Is that a chain of of um
» Yes, it is.
» Okay.
» Yeah.
» Do we know what their logo looks like? I
know that might seem a little silly, but
is are we talking like a 75 ft duck or
are we talking a
» Um you know what what's going to be
emlazed on these buildings?
» It will not be a 75 foot duck. We've
talked to them about it already. Okay,
good. It will look like normal signage.
It will look like a duck, but it won't
be anything egregious, so don't worry.
» No, it's good. It's just that whole
area, especially with the development of
the convention center that's going on,
it's been very thoughtfully done. The
tones are nice. The signage is is kind
of demure. And so I just when you hear
Quick Quack, that's great. It's catchy.
And I and I love the, you know, I love
it. But um I just would hope that we
don't suddenly have a thumb sticking out
of
I think everybody hears where I'm going.
» Don't worry. It it will not be a giant
duck sticking out. I have seen other
cookwacks. I was in Utah in October. Um,
some of the other ones are a little bit
more brightly decorated. Um, but we did
our best to make sure that this one fit
within the heritage zone and didn't
really stand out.
» Thank you.
» Is is there a rendering of this duck
that we can see or is this part of the
architecture review committee?
» Um, we do not have one readily available
right now. Um, I believe in a previous
submitt we did have one, but I could
email it to you at another time if you
wanted to take a look.
» I would be interested actually. Thank
you.
» Yeah.
» Nothing else,
» Commissioner. Okay. I don't have any
questions either. So, this is a time for
any committee members who would like to
speak to this item to come forward.
We received one public comment from
Steve Deo.
» Mr. Deo, please state your full name.
Um, for the record, you have three
minutes to speak.
» Good evening, commissioners. My name is
Steve Duboce. I'm a me resident of
Camrio for almost 10 years.
Um, with regards to
the Quickquack, um, a quick count shows
we have already way more than a half a
dozen car washes in Camaro.
Um, I know the newest one is over on
Daily Drive. I've used it myself a
couple of times. It's never full. I've
never driven by there and seen cars
queued outside of that lot or even full
up to the road.
My math might be a little bit off, but I
believe California has been in drought
conditions for at least 12 out of the
last 15 years. Why are we approving
another high water use project when
there's the area is already more than
well enough served by existing
um
commercial assets.
Um,
I I don't know if this is the first time
you've heard this project or not, but
not none of you asked any questions
about the water use. Where's the water
coming from? Are they pumping it out of
the aquifer? Are they piping it in?
What are they going to do with the
chemical laden water that's left over?
Is it going to be re reused, recycled to
be used again? Is it just being dumped?
I'm sure there are regulations governing
cleaning it up depending on where it's
going to go. And again, I don't know if
you heard this project before, but I'm
I'm surprised that none of these
questions were asked. Um,
there was a noise study done. Was there
a water use study done? How much water
is this thing going to use?
I really strongly urge you to deny this
use
in California. We don't need more high
water uses like a car wash. There's
plenty already available. Thank you very
much.
» Thank you. Any other members of the
public who would like to address this
item?
» My name is Don Shiveley. I represent
Quickquack in this.
» If you haven't already, please fill out
a a card after your you complete your
comments.
» As the applicant, I still need to fill
out a card.
Oh, no. I'm Oh, I apologize. Okay. No,
you do not. Can you please start again?
» So, I I'm just here to answer any
questions that you may have um
concerning our car wash project.
» Thank you.
» Any questions for the applicant?
Commissioner Murphy.
» Right. So, the question um had to do
with uh signage or anything that you
might have on the site that attracts
customers to Quickquack
uh facility. What what are your
intentions along those lines?
» I'm glad you asked. It's a 45 ft duck,
not a 75 ft duck. Great on there.
» Now, our our mascot is a duck. We play
on our name, Quick Quack. And uh we have
tasteful signage. We have it on 300 um
car washes that we have throughout the
Western United States. And uh it's
signage that we work with the community
on. And uh it's our branding,
» But it's very tasteful. we put up a
rendering or a picture. I'm not sure
exactly if it's a
» Location. Um, also just for your guys's
information, um, we have not reviewed
the specific signage. So, it will come
in and it will adhere to our signage
regulations before we approve it. So, it
will not be anything that wouldn't be
normally approved.
» That's our prototype right there. And so
we've softened our prototype colors um
and worked with the uh planning staff
for the current design.
» Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful
that that graphic that
» Any questions for that.
» Yes. Um so
um without addressing specifically any
public comments um it is my
understanding that water conservation
especially in in car washes in
California are held to a pretty high
standard. And it's my understanding that
car washes actually tend to use less
water than say restaurants and things
like that of of a similar size
especially with water drops. I know here
in town it um they use actually less
water than the or forgive me at Denny's
I believe that was there prior. Um can
you speak to that a little bit? I think
it would do the the community well to
hear that um
» While California does a good job of
requiring very strict use of water. It
would be nice to sort of refresh our and
the the community's understanding of
what we might have taken for granted and
I I do appreciate the commenters um
bringing that and and calling us on
that. So thank you.
» Sure. I appreciate that. Um the the
misconception is is that we leave the
water running all day long and that's
not the case. If I don't have any
customers show up that day because I
have too much competition and they're
going somewhere else. I don't use any
water at all. The only water that would
happen would be on the landscaping that
you're requiring us to put into it.
Otherwise, we don't use any water. What
we do do is we conserve water. And what
we're doing is we're taking it from your
residents that are washing their cars on
their driveway. They're running 100
gallons of water down the driveway into
the storm drains out to the ocean. What
we do is we conserve that water. We save
it by about 40%. We use about 60 gallons
of water and part of that most of that
is actually recycled water that we
capture from our car wash process. So,
we are in the process of recycling that
water, reusing it, and using it back on
our customers.
» Thank you,
» Commissioner Murphy.
» Go ahead.
» I was going to say, so if you're
recycling it, then does it go through a
filter system on the way around or
» Yes, we go through several settling
tanks within the that's underground in
our facility and it gets recycled, taken
out the impurities and it comes back
through osmosis into our car wash. Okay.
» Yeah, that's great about the the
recycling on the wastewater. Another one
of Mr. Duboce's concerns.
Is it going directly to the sanitary
sewer system? The discharge from the
site when you're can't recycle it any
further. Does it go directly to the
sanitary sewer system?
» That's correct. we will go back through
into the sewer system and it is recycled
at that point.
» Okay. So, some of the water eventually
leaves the the site, right? And so, does
that
» We can't capture all of it.
» Dorm drain, but does that go into this?
» Not the storm drain. That'll go into
your sewer line.
» Okay, that's great. Thank you.
» Any other questions? Okay. Thank you.
any other member of the public who would
like to address this item?
I I'll note that we did receive a public
comment via um uh email or
electronically and this was for the
previous item and this item as well
regarding uh traffic concerns um and
there have been questions and responses
to um that effect.
Okay. So, um, seeing no further public
comments, I now close a public hearing
and open it up for discussion.
If you want the architectural comments
first or after discussions
» After discussion. Okay. Thank you.
» Uh, no, I have nothing. Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, I think that the comments from
Cammy Pinsac are are important and it
sounds to to me like the city is is on
it and that that they will uh in
combination with the applicant do what
they can to to address the the traffic
concerns. um particularly those around
the the holiday season and make some
possible adjustments to traffic phasing
and and and striping and and signing.
So,
» I appreciate that.
» Yeah, I I did enjoy um all the
conversations on the traffic control and
that I feel they're going to keep an eye
on it and change as needed, you know,
once it gets into play. And I also like
to hear that the water is recycled and
going down through into the systems and
then it just becomes recycled water to
be used again throughout the city. So
that sounds satisfactory on both of
those issues.
» And it's my understanding that the the
conditions that were um some of which
were outlined
for the actual permit that um those can
be reviewed at future date. Even if we
we approve today, those conditions can
be modified to address any further the
future concerns.
Is that that's correct?
» Yes.
» Okay.
» Thank you.
» Okay. Um if there's no further
discussion, uh we will now hear from the
architectural review committee
» And we did review this and uh we are me
recommending approval on it. We liked
all of the variations on the ins and
outs and the roof lines and the
different materials used and there is
still going to be a question. It's going
to have to be watched on the traffic
that goes around, but that doesn't have
anything to do with the architectural
part of it.
» So, we um are recommending that that go
forward as is.
» And you did a question um you did not
include in your review a review of the
logo itself and
» No, we did not
» The placement and size. That's right. We
did wonder why the art requirement did
not exist for this when it did exist for
the application next door, the other one
that we reviewed tonight. But um this
facility will be further away from the
major viewsheds of of the streets. Um,
and also part of
the requirement for the first
application that we reviewed was to to
um get some some more earth tones, more
beiges and yellows and so forth in there
to to to help address the concern of it
that um those buildings being
essentially light and dark gray.
» Thank you.
Any questions for the committee? And one
of the other comments that staff made as
far as the art feature was that this
building had quite a lot of texture to
it and different types of materials and
colors that were throughout. So they
didn't feel that that also added into
not needing an additional art feature.
Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Is there a motion on this item?
» I'll make a motion to approve.
» Is there a second?
» I'll second.
Thank you. And um can you please call
for a vote?
» Commissioner Vanderm,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Murphy,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Edsil,
» Yes.
» Vice Chair Davidson,
» Yes.
» Chair Leone,
» Yes.
» Okay. And the motion passes.
Okay. Um and now our next item is a
black presentation.
» I get to step in now. So, um, at this
time of year, each year, we, um, we take
a moment to show our appreciation and to
celebrate the year that we had with our
chair. And, um, this year, it falls to
me to be able to, uh, present you with
that token of our appreciation. And as I
was um thinking about that today, I've I
was uh hearkening back to the to the
year and um sort of what defined your um
assuming the role of chairperson and and
it was grace was the word that came to
mind. And it was um as I thought about
the the moments of of maybe tension in
the room and things like that, it was
always your your grace and style and
kindness that um that always uh I left
the room appreciating. And uh you have a
way of making uh people on both sides of
an argument feel heard and respected and
um and and I believe that uh that will
be a legacy that um that each of us can
take. We're lucky to have a a very good
commission that gets along well and I
think that you are sort of an exponent
at the end of that equation that just
makes it that much better. So, um that
being said, um I would like to on behalf
of everyone u the city of Camaro and my
fellow commissioners present you with u
a gavvel recognizing your time and uh
showing our appreciation for all that
you've done.
» Thank you. Thank you very much.
Appreciate it. Thank you everyone.
Um, Vice Chair Davidson, I very much
appreciate your kind words. It's um,
very thoughtful and this has been this
year went by very quickly. Um, and I
very much appreciate the opportunity to
have served in this position. It's been
a privilege and I um, have my my
appreciation for the role of the
commission. Um, all of your volunteer
time as commissioners and the expertise
and work of the staff has only grown.
Um, and I've it's been a a learning
process for me as well. And I've I've
also uh really appreciated the role of
the community in contributing to our
discussions, bringing um opinions and
and thoughts and requests to us that add
to the richness of our our own
deliberations as happened here tonight.
So, um again, it's been a privilege and
I look forward to continuing to work
with you on the commission as I step
down from the role.
» Thank you.
Okay. And so now we get to reorganize
the commission. Um, and this consists of
a of a process for nominations for the
next chair and vice chair. Will the
secretary please explain the
reorganization process?
» Sure. The reorganization of the planning
commission includes selecting a new
chair, vice chair, and members to serve
on the architectural committee.
Nominations will be open for the chair
and vice chair. If more than one
commissioner is nominated, we will vote
in the order the nominations were
received. Once all nominations are
received, Chair Leone will ask for a
motion to close nominations and we will
proceed to a vote. If multiple
commissioners are nominated, we will
hold separate votes for each and the
commissioner with majority vote will
serve and the same process will be
followed for vice chair. Anyone who is
nominated but does not wish to serve may
simply decline the nomination.
After the chair is selected, the chair
will have the discretion to select
members of the commission to serve on
the architectural review committee.
Um, are there any questions?
» Any questions? No questions. Thank you.
Okay, we'll proceed with the um office
of the chair. Are there any nominations?
» Yes. I would like to nominate Rob
Davidson, our vice chair, to be
chairman.
» I'll second.
» Right. Any other nominations?
» Is we make a motion to close
close the nominations?
» Is there a second motion to close?
Second.
» Oh,
» Not really.
» I'll second.
Okay. We have a nomination of vice
chair, current vice chair Davidson, uh,
for chair. Will you please call for a
vote, Secretary?
» Commissioner Vanderm,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Murphy,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Edso,
» Yes.
» Vice Chair Davidson,
» Why not?
» Chair Leone,
» Yes. And the motion carries. And we now
have a new chair. Congratulations, Chair
Davidson.
» Thank you.
» Okay, we will now move on to the office
of vice chair. Are there nominations for
this position?
» I'll nominate Director Murphy. Mer
Murphy.
» I'll second that nomination.
» Any other nominations?
Is there a motion to close?
» Motion to close. I'll second.
» Great. All right, let's move forward
with uh uh Secretary, can you please
call for a vote?
» Commissioner Vanderm,
» Yes.
» Commissioner Murphy,
» Why not?
» Commissioner Edel,
» Yes.
» Vice Chair Davidson,
» Enthusiastically, yes.
» Chair Leone,
» Absolutely. Great. And that motion
carries. And so we have a new Vice Chair
Murphy. Thank you very much for
accepting.
I think you take it from here, don't
you?
» Yes. And now we we move chairs, right?
Like
» Do we
» Literally Yes, we literally move chairs,
I believe. Is that right? Because then
we proceed with the architecture
committee which is appointed by the new
» We can do review committee.
» Yeah.
» With the review committee.
» Oh, we have we still have to do
architectural review.
» Okay. But that's selected by the new
chair.
» Oh, okay.
» So that's you.
» Okay. I'll just stay here and we'll
we'll move.
» Yes. Okay.
» Our new chair will
» I'll assume the
» Yeah the the selection of
» The selection of the architectural
review committee is by the new chair.
» Okay. So is uh do we have any members
who first before um any selection do we
have anyone who is um interested in
volunteering to take on or continue in
the role on the architectural committee?
» Okay. Thank you for that and I would uh
I would absolutely support your
remaining on it. So, thank you for that.
Okay, there's one
» And I guess I can do it. Yeah.
» Okay, perfect. So, it sounds like we
have two architectural um committee
members selected and um so Commissioner
Vanderm and uh Commissioner Edsil will
make up that committee.
» Thank you.
» Okay. And the next um item is commission
uh director report.
» Uh the only item I had for you tonight
is just a reminder that we have the
planning commissioners academy coming up
on March 11th through March 13th in
Anaheim. So our admin team will be
coordinating with each of you um to
arrange your registration and um travel
for that. And then right after this
meeting is adjourned, we do have
refreshments uh just to uh say thank
you, Chair Leone, for your service and
then bringing on Chair Davidson as our
new chair.
» Very good.
» Great. Thank you.
» Thank you.
» Okay. And the next is commission
comments.
Well, I want to thank you for a year of
great service and lots of ideas and a
lot of knowledge that passed through
while you were here as chair.
» Okay.
» And uh looking forward to Rob filling
that seat next year or this year, I'm
sorry.
And um just I've enjoyed working with
all of you so much. You know, we're on
here and I'm always learning something
new.
» And then with staff, I mean, I can't do
without you at all. So,
» Always learning and always getting all
the information that I need and I
appreciate that.
I'd like to add to the the term grace
that Commissioner Davidson associated
with you and and the way I saw it
applied during the year was we became I
thought better interacted with the folks
that come up here and voice their
concerns about applications rather than
say thank you for your comments and and
not do anything about it. It seems like
you fostered a a more helpful group. And
by group, I mean not just the
commissioners, but legal counsel and
staff to um think about and discuss and
sometimes make changes to um the
application in the form of uh conditions
of approval or further um further study
input. And I saw you making um that
happen more than before. and you did
that with with grace and just being nice
and fair to to the people who come to
these meetings. So, I want to thank you
for that.
» Thank you, Commissioner Murphy. Vice
Chair Murphy,
» And I I echo those comments, too. And
you started over at the library and so
we got to move into the new building,
but um
seemed like this wasn't your first time.
you seem like you were a seasoned pro
and you know engaged the public and I
think a lot of times the smartest one in
the room on your you know your
background and the the detail you have
on the different items that came before
us and I enjoy working with all the
commissioners as well.
» So
» Thank you. Well that's all very very
gracious and kind of you to say I
appreciate it. as I was re reflecting on
I made a little a short list of some of
the many items that we uh reviewed and
made decisions on and it um really
varied. So from zoning ordinance
amendments including those pertaining to
offsale alcoh al alcohol establishments
to uh we learned about tasting licenses
with the the recent Albertson's license.
» Um we oversaw and re reviewed projects
increasing the number of housing units
in the city which we usually do. Uh we
reviewed a cup to allow for the use of
an indoor golf practice facility. Um we
reviewed um changes to the general plan
safety element and during that update
and then also reviewed and recommended
to the city council approval of the
first city climate action plan. So it
was it was pretty broad um diverse the
topics that we had the the pleasure of
um engaging on this year. So, um, again,
really appreciate all of your work and
commitment to our city and also to again
to our staff. So, um, and, uh, Chair
Davidson, I wish you a very, uh,
successful, um, year and thank you for
stepping up to to serve in the new role.
» Thank you.
» Okay, if there are no other comments and
we will adjourn.