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[0:33] Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to start
meeting with the pledge of the flag
[0:39] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
[0:44] stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:50] for all.
>> Um, thank you. Uh, thank you for
[0:53] notifications.
[0:57] Okay.
[1:02] Okay, we have
[1:06] » we have a consent agenda. The first
order is the consent agenda.
[1:13] » I'm going to ask that uh I'm going to
rewrite the uh financial
[1:20] um the numbers are correct as far as the
total receipts, the total dispersements,
[1:27] etc. I uh I just want to redo the
general ledger and put some money that
[1:33] was put in the general ledger in the
building department to show that
[1:38] contract. But uh the receipts of
96,13518
[1:44] that's correct and the dispersements are
correct. So I just want to get some
[1:50] money put in different pockets.
>> Okay. Anyone else have any issues with?
[2:00] » Okay. Can I get a motion to uh to
approve the consent agenda with the um
[2:05] correction that uh
[2:09] move?
>> Okay. We have a motion support to
[2:12] approve the consent agenda with the one
correction.
[2:15] » Support.
>> Support. Um all in favor?
[2:19] » I I should say roll call vote. Excuse
me. Roll call vote.
[2:23] » Anderson. Yes.
>> Yes. cuz I see
[2:27] still
>> Stephen check motion carries. Okay,
[2:30] citizens comments.
Anyone have any there's another citizens
[2:36] comment at the end of the meeting? So,
okay.
[2:41] First um item on the agenda is the um
[2:48] resolution 2026-01
annual meeting and public hearing for
[2:54] the 20 2026 2027 budget.
[3:04] » I make a motion to adopt resolution
2026-01.
[3:10] » Okay. We have support.
>> Support.
[3:12] » We have a motion in support to adopt
Casco Township resolution 2026-
[3:18] um 026-01
annual meeting and public hearing for
[3:23] the 2026 27 budget.
>> Any questions?
[3:29] All in favor?
>> I
[3:35] said I.
>> Okay. Motion carries.
[3:39] Okay. Second one is resolution township
resolution
[3:44] 2026-02
clerk salary. Um our clerk is asking for
[3:50] no raise for this year.
[4:00] I made a motion to go forward to approve
resolution 2026-02
[4:06] salary for $53,300.
I'll support.
[4:11] » Okay, we have a motion in support to
approve CO Township resolution 2026-02
[4:17] clerk salary for the um amount of
$53,300.
[4:23] Okay,
any questions?
[4:26] All in favor?
>> I I motion carries.
[4:31] » Okay. Casco Township
resolution 2026-03
[4:37] treasurally.
Um it's for the amount of uh 331,60.
[4:44] » I'll make a motion to approve resolution
2026-
[4:51] 03
>> support. Give a motion support to adopt
[4:55] Casco Township resolution 2026 Jeros 3
treasure salary for amount of $31,60.
[5:04] Any questions? All in favor?
>> I motion carries.
[5:10] Okay.
Okay. Item D, Casco Township resolution
[5:15] 2026
04 trustee salary. Um the amount is
[5:22] $1,000 per year with a pdeium of $83.33
[5:28] per meeting.
>> Make a motion to accept resolution
[5:33] 2026-04
trustee salary for $1,000 per year or
[5:40] $83.33
per day.
[5:44] Okay. A motion support to adopt Casco
Township resolution 2026-04
[5:49] trustee salary. This is for um Trustee
Goldson
[5:56] for an amount of $1,000 per year plus a
pdeium of $83.33
[6:01] per meeting. Any questions? All in
favor?
[6:04] » I motion carries.
>> Okay. This is for um Casco Township
[6:11] resolution 2026-05
trustee sharing for trustee Kazinski
[6:17] $1,000 per year plus a meeting per p
permium of $83.33.
[6:25] I vote to approve resolution 2026-05
trustee salary for um Gina Kazinski at
[6:35] $1,000 per year, $83.33
per de. Okay, we have a motion support
[6:42] to adopt Casco Township resolution
2026-05
[6:47] trustee salary this for trustee Kazinski
$1,000 per year plus a previne of $83.33
[6:55] per meeting. Any questions?
>> All in favor?
[6:59] » I motion carries.
Casco Township resolution 2026-06
[7:06] supervisor salary. This is for $28,551
[7:13] per year.
[7:17] » I vote for to approve resolution 2026-06
supervisor salary for $28,551
[7:26] per year.
Motion support to adopt Casco Township
[7:30] resolution 2026-06
supervisor salary for 28,551
[7:38] per year. Any question?
>> Roll call. No vote. I mean I roll call.
[7:42] All in favor?
>> I
[7:50] pilot.
[7:53] » All right. The next one is U Craas
invoice
[7:58] number 214168.
This is for the 10 um business standard
[8:04] at um $12.50 for 12 months for $1,500.
>> Did you call them and ask them how many
[8:13] of those that that we use?
>> No, I didn't call. I call in other
[8:19] words. Yeah. So,
>> but I could do that tomorrow.
[8:24] » I just I don't know how many of those.
I'm assuming that's for Microsoft.
[8:27] » Yes, I think you're right.
>> And it says we we have 10.
[8:32] » 1 2 3 4 5 6
7.
[8:38] [snorts]
[8:43] » That's beautiful. 1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9
[8:53] » What about
my kid?
[8:57] » I don't have microphone on.
>> I'll call.
[9:02] » Okay.
>> So, I don't know if we want to do like
[9:05] an approval based on what you find out.
>> Yeah, I think so.
[9:09] » I mean, if if we use all of them, fine.
If we don't return,
[9:14] » we'll ask for
[9:24] » Okay.
[9:28] » Motion.
>> I can make a motion to approve um
[9:32] invoice 214168 for Centurus for $1,500.
um
[9:39] based on what we find out from them.
>> Okay.
[9:44] » If if we use all 10, fine. If we don't,
then we'll adjust it down to
[9:49] » whatever it is. Fine.
>> If they'll allow that.
[9:53] » Okay.
>> I'm sure.
[9:58] » Okay. We have a motion support to um pay
invoice comparison invoice here. 214168
[10:07] for $15. With caveat, I'll check with um
um Centers tomorrow. And there's if we
[10:14] use less than 10, ask for um a rebate or
a refund. The ones we don't have. Okay.
[10:24] Any other questions?
>> Okay. Roll call vote.
[10:27] » Anderson, yes.
>> Kazinski, yes.
[10:31] » Stevens, yes. Motion carries. Okay.
[10:38] H emergency road funding $20,000. We do
this every year in case in this spring
[10:44] we have some sort of really bad road um
condition where it needs extra money
[10:51] from requesting that $20,000 be moved
into the general fund to cover
[10:58] in case of that contingency.
>> Make a motion to move $2,000 of
[11:03] emergency funds um into the general fund
to cover
[11:09] situations.
[11:13] Okay. Motion in support to move $20,000
into the um general fund to improve um
[11:19] for any road emergencies that may occur
during the um winter or spring months.
[11:26] Okay. Do we have to have a roll call
vote?
[11:27] » Who supported that?
>> Yeah. Do we have to do a roll call vote?
[11:30] I would.
>> Yep. Roll call vote. Anderson, yes.
[11:33] » Yes.
>> Kazinski, yes. Yes.
[11:36] » Stevens, yes. Motion carries.
Okay. Township sign.
[11:42] We We got the township signed by
sign fabricators and our clients.
[11:50] Um the sign has never worked since we've
had it. They've always had they built a
[11:56] cabinet, but the electronics was
supplied by a place over in White Lake
[12:00] called Works Direct. To get them to come
on out to repair the sign was near
[12:05] impossible, and they still didn't fix
it. So, we had Philip sign and Mount
[12:11] Clemens come. They got the sign running
again, but there's still parts of it.
[12:15] Some of the panels aren't working like
they should. One of the panels aren't
[12:19] working at all. Well, they investigate
into it and they found well when uh
[12:25] the sign that type of sign is not being
made no more and and Philip sign they do
[12:30] not have the software to support that
brand.
[12:35] » We paid what
>> I think 29,000.
[12:40] » Yeah, these and that was a low cost sign
that we chose. That was the lowest cost
[12:45] sign. Um I'm thinking we need to um do
legal action
[12:51] on the people we bought it from.
>> Absolutely.
[12:54] » Yeah. So this is just unacceptable. This
is a big thing and we've just getting
[13:01] knocked around with a ping pong from day
one. And I think that um
[13:08] so I'm gonna I want permission from the
board to contact our attorney to start
[13:14] legal proceedings on this.
>> This has been going on for a long time.
[13:18] » Yes.
>> I think you got it in 2022 maybe.
[13:21] » Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion.
[13:23] » Okay.
Okay. Do we have support?
[13:27] » I'll support.
>> Okay. a motion support to allow the
[13:30] supervisor to contact our uh township
attorney to start legal proceedings
[13:36] against
um significators among clemens over our
[13:41] site or non or
>> could you talk to Chris could you ask
[13:47] her what she estimates the cost would be
to take this on
[13:52] » see if it's a practical thing
>> what did you say sorry
[13:55] » I just asked to ask ask the attorney
what she estimates the legal costs will
[14:01] be to take this uh issue to court and to
settle it.
[14:05] » Okay.
>> All right. I'll do that.
[14:11] » And I would assume that we have all the
background documenting
[14:17] the calls that we made, the requests
that we made. We have all that
[14:22] » and we should be good to go. Okay.
>> All right.
[14:27] We need to vote on it.
>> I I would say that all right. So
[14:31] » you got motion and support.
>> Yeah. Move. We have motion support to
[14:34] allow supervisor to contact our legal
representation
[14:38] about the township sign. All okay. This
will cost money. So it's roll call vote.
[14:44] » Anderson. Yes.
>> Yes.
[14:46] » Present. Yes. Yes.
>> Stevens. Yes. Motion carries. Okay. This
[14:51] is the thing from Cintas
here. They we we modified our contract.
[14:58] Instead of paying it every week, we went
to um monthly. We asked them and plus we
[15:03] took some rugs away. We wanted to see if
that would reset our contract
[15:08] um that we signed two years ago whether
that would reset to another and it does
[15:14] not.
>> So,
[15:16] » did you already contact them and ask
them to change it to monthly or not yet?
[15:20] » Um yeah,
>> you did. So, when does that start?
[15:23] » Probably next month. So I'll I'll double
check.
[15:29] » So we don't have to do any action. That
was kind of
[15:47] okay.
[15:54] Okay. Um, budget amendments.
>> So, I have a few budget amendments. Um,
[16:01] you can take your revenue and
expenditure report that was in the
[16:05] packet earlier. You can follow along. Um
the first one I am taking
[16:11] $295
from the planning commission account
[16:15] number which is 10110179
and I'm moving it to the zoning board of
[16:20] appeals account which is 101101710.
[16:26] The next set is I am taking $3,1128
[16:33] from the planning consultant account
number which is 101 101816
[16:39] and I am moving it into the three
following accounts. The first one is the
[16:45] telephone account 101101850.
I'm moving $6216
[16:51] into there. The second is account number
101101752
[16:56] for supplies. I'm moving $253.98
in there. And then the last one is
[17:04] account 101101956
miscellaneous and I'm moving $2,796.14
[17:11] there which totals the $3,1128.
[17:17] The last set is I am moving $6,23942
[17:25] from legal fees account number 101
101826.
[17:29] I am moving it to two accounts. The
first is 101265752
[17:36] supplies. I'm moving $1,775.79.
[17:41] The second is account number 101265930
maintenance and repairs and I'm moving
[17:49] $4,46363
[17:52] which totals $6,23942.
[17:58] I did not touch the building department.
There are a couple. There's one,
[18:06] one, two, three, four accounts that are
over budget. So, you encourage me to sit
[18:12] down and figure that out.
>> Okay.
[18:26] Okay. All right. Um we just had the um
budget amendments listed. Um do we have
[18:32] a motion to
>> motion to approve budget amendments for
[18:36] 2025 26?
>> Okay.
[18:40] » Okay. Support for the budget amendments
for 2025 2026
[18:46] 2026. Okay. Roll call vote.
>> Anderson yes
[18:50] » yes.
>> Kazinski yes. Stove yes.
[18:53] » Stevens yes. Motion carries. zoning
administrator. Um I did what the board
[18:59] requested it. I added the code
enforcement into the zoning um
[19:04] administrator position. And in your on
the table tonight, you'll see another
[19:10] one at the bottom there's another um
thing we added and improved zoning
[19:15] requirements on building plans. I had
Shel look this over on Monday and that's
[19:20] where her adviser was. Good. Um,
>> that's what she needs to do for her job.
[19:25] » So, um, does anyone have any questions
on this?
[19:33] » Well, I have three people. Matter of
fact, one, um, gentleman came in today
[19:38] who has experience in township
government.
[19:41] » Um, I have a another one who was
recommended by he was a former a retired
[19:46] contractor in Lennox Township. He was
referred to me by their code enforcement
[19:51] official there. And I have a gentleman
who does the exact same job up virtual
[19:57] township who told me that he'd be
interested.
[20:02] So, um,
[clears throat]
[20:05] » and we're doing this as a zoning
administrator/code enforcement. Yes. One
[20:10] person.
>> One person. And then when if and when we
[20:14] approve this, we'll figure out like how
many days they're here, how many hours.
[20:19] » I'm thinking one day a week in house
here and do all this field work. Unless
[20:24] if there's more splits, I mean zoning to
be done, field work. You know, if they
[20:29] have to work more than one day, so be
it. Work one day, be in the office, and
[20:35] then be available by phone for the rest
of the week for
[20:39] me.
that zoning person is going to have a
[20:44] lot more work from the building
department than he will have the splits.
[20:51] The building department is booming.
And so
[20:57] to have one day a week he's here, he's
gone and I get three applications that
[21:03] need only we wait a week to get that.
>> Well, can we get them in the BPN like
[21:09] Katie has? And I think Shelly has one
that they can work from home if they
[21:13] need to. [snorts]
>> We could look into that.
[21:18] » I don't Does that cost us anything? I
don't know if it does.
[21:20] » I mean, well, the biggest thing like
Brenda says, it's going to be the actual
[21:23] fieldwork itself going out and measuring
the setbacks from that and u
[21:28] » right they're going to need the site
plan that the [clears throat]
[21:32] brings to us in the office. I would say
require them to work inhouse one day a
[21:37] week to be here physically here
preferably on Monday because they can
[21:41] work with the assessor on any split
issues and then be available if um and
[21:47] in case if they need extra fieldwork
doing um the zoning and that then
[21:53] » you just say as needed.
>> Yeah, as needed.
[21:57] whoever whoever gets hired just needs to
be aware that it could be
[22:01] » you know like an extra day or
>> and um and I told um the individual who
[22:06] came to my office today and code
enforcement we've done by complaint
[22:10] bases only so whoever so
[22:16] » when Matt was our only administrator he
worked a full-time job
[22:21] » so what we would do is take his
information to the door and he would
[22:26] pick it up. So, we can we can make it
work. But,
[22:30] » you know, they're going to have a I
mean, building department is been very
[22:34] busy.
>> Yeah. So, all three of them are familiar
[22:37] with zoning.
>> Nice.
[22:38] » Yeah.
So, okay. So,
[22:47] any questions on this?
>> Do we need to take any action on that?
[22:52] Well, I think we should approve the job
description at least tonight and then
[22:57] next week. Um, I guess to we should
reset a salary about I was thinking I
[23:04] was thinking um
about $26 an hour.
[23:10] » Did you like look at other areas around
here? What?
[23:13] » I did. Some one township near here is
$26 now. Another is $30 per hour.
[23:20] » So, Any
[23:25] question?
[23:29] Okay.
I'd like to get this um at least the job
[23:34] description approved this evening. Okay.
Well, with um the inclusion of number
[23:41] nine, which is what the assessor
um required requested.
[23:49] Um
I'll make a motion that we approve the
[23:54] job description for the zoning
administrator code enforcement
[24:02] » support. Okay, we have a motion support
to approve the zoning administrator code
[24:07] enforcement job description.
Um, any further questions?
[24:13] » If not, all in favor?
>> I motion carries. There's a second part
[24:18] to this. We just recently had some
things where
[24:23] we may have to write for a building
violation some misdemeanor ticket. We
[24:29] investigate this end until we get the
code enforcement official Chris Anderson
[24:36] recommend [clears throat] recommended
she go but asked the board to give be
[24:41] the authority to write a ticket so in
case if we have to process any kind of
[24:46] building violation
>> it' be a misdemeanor ticket.
[24:52] So these tickets will be written for
violations
[24:57] in
um electrical.
[25:02] » Yeah. Or mechanical or
>> mechanical.
[25:06] That's the scope of it.
>> Yeah.
[25:09] » And this would be done in cooperation
and coordination with the gentlemen that
[25:17] oversee those.
>> What? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. with our
[25:21] inspectors.
>> Yeah.
[25:24] » And Chris did recommend
township will send two letters.
[25:30] If there's no compliance,
she will send one,
[25:36] you know, and generally a letter from
the legal council triggers some type of
[25:41] reaction. If not, she'll send two. And
if there's no response, then because the
[25:48] court is going to want real detailed
background, how far did you go to work
[25:53] with these people to get compliance?
>> So, it's not going to probably happen.
[26:00] » Five letters, five letters, three from
us,
[26:05] » a minimum of four possibly five. Two
from us, two definitely from her. And
[26:10] then I guess it would be her discretion
whether or not if they you know if they
[26:14] offer compliance then you know another
letter to confirm that we've spoken and
[26:19] this is the understanding.
>> Yeah.
[26:21] » Chris Anderson serves in this way. She's
our prosecuting attorney. So she would
[26:26] submit the ticket with information
to um district court
[26:32] hearing. I guess I'm not understanding
why someone would hesitate to
[26:40] They're trying to build a house. They're
trying to get into this house.
[26:45] Why would they Why would they not comply
with what experts say is necessary to do
[26:52] that?
>> It's not always about building anything.
[26:56] It's not about construction. It's about
alteration, electrical alterations.
[27:03] So,
>> well, I guess you know what you're
[27:06] talking Well, we have
we have a circumstance right now.
[27:10] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. We may
[27:11] » and it's electrical.
>> Yeah. We may need to do this. So, I
[27:14] don't I'm just asking the board for to
be the temporary code enforcement to
[27:19] write tickets until we hire.
>> So, moved.
[27:24] » Okay. We have Do we have support?
>> So, hold on a minute. [clears throat]
[27:30] This should actually be separate items
on the agenda if we're doing two
[27:35] separate motions. I believe because we
already made a motion to move postpone
[27:41] this a month because it would take time
for the letters to
[27:43] » I don't think we need to postpone it. I
just need to know how to put it in the
[27:46] minutes.
>> Oh, that's interesting.
[27:48] » So, first, so we have have we already
approved the language for the zoning
[27:54] administrator code enforcement.
>> We just did that.
[27:58] » We've done that. So, so this is an
addition.
[28:02] » It should have been an addition to the
>> what we can do. If we have an incident,
[28:09] it's going to take time for letters to
go out.
[28:12] » So, if we don't, we could we could
revisit it at the
[28:17] » Well, I mean, I want to get the process
in. I don't want to hold up people
[28:22] getting into their houses. Well, the
first thing I what what I'm saying is
[28:27] there has to be four possibly five
letters. That will take some time.
[28:31] » That's probably three months.
>> Oh, before somebody before even be able
[28:37] I see. I see.
>> Okay. So, we could put it off till next
[28:39] month.
>> Yeah. Just do that.
[28:42] » We just sent our first letter.
>> Okay. Then just do that just because I I
[28:46] don't know how to
>> Okay.
[28:49] Okay. No problem.
>> All right.
[28:51] » So, yeah, jot that down. I'll put that
on the agenda for next month.
[28:55] » And the motion to tie for lack of
support.
[28:59] » Let's say
>> put to rest.
[29:06] » Okay.
>> Any citizens comments?
[29:10] » One quick question. Is there this job?
Is that a formal application to apply
[29:14] for the job or Well, we'll ask you um
for interested applicants, send in a
[29:20] resume. I was talking to you a couple
weeks ago. I said I was interested and I
[29:24] never heard that I had to do anything
above that.
[29:27] » Yeah. It's just that you know just we
understand like it's the code
[29:30] enforcement. Um I mean um Mr. Zenis I
can get you a job description for you to
[29:36] look it up.
>> Oh, but it didn't have it did not have
[29:40] the last number nine.
>> Number nine.
[29:44] » I've got it.
>> So did you get number nine?
[29:46] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[29:47] » Okay. All right. So you can come come
talk to me and I can describe it more in
[29:53] that in detail for you.
>> Okay.
[29:55] » Okay.
>> Anyone else has questions?
[30:01] » Um here's the um reports that I
requested
[30:05] from the Freedom of Information Act
regarding the accidents at
[30:10] intersections. And just to say this
isn't complete for the fact that each
[30:16] No, they're all separate. There's only
one copy.
[30:18] » Oh,
>> at the top of each one 2024 Meiser and
[30:22] Indian Trail.
>> Uhhuh.
[30:24] » 2025 Meiser. Now, this is why I'm saying
for no good. Look at the total
[30:30] incidents. They're exactly the same.
Wow.
[30:33] » So, I've been going back and forth with
u the St. Clair County Sheriff officer
[30:39] regarding it.
>> She says that it's it's normal. This is
[30:43] fine.
We know at the corner of Meisner and
[30:48] Palms that it's St. Clair County Sheriff
that shows up,
[30:52] » right?
>> You have to request information for
[30:54] exactly what you want.
>> So that's what I I did. I wanted St.
[30:58] Cloud Sheriff.
>> Well, as I'm printing these out, I
[31:01] realized if you look, it's Michigan
State um letter. So I again emailed her.
[31:08] The string of emails is just crazy. You
can't talk. Like I'm like then somebody
[31:14] needs to explain these reports to me
because how can this be and even the
[31:19] incidents within the total number is the
same
[31:23] » like reasons why the accident happened.
>> Um and when you voicemail you get a
[31:28] return email
>> like there's nobody to actually say come
[31:32] on let's go over these reports together.
Let's just say
[31:35] » the mission state police should call or
>> uh no St. Clair County Sheriff. So that
[31:39] now her answer yesterday was it's all
the same though, [clears throat]
[31:45] » but it wasn't the same when I were you
talking to a clerk up there. Were you
[31:49] talking to one of the um border patrol?
Um
[31:52] » um she's she's a um
I mean I have her name and everything.
[31:59] » Um but I want to say she's an officer,
but you know how some work at the desk,
[32:04] » right? Well, there's a there's um oh, I
forget his name. Who's a deputy who's in
[32:10] charge of the road patrol up there?
>> Up there.
[32:15] » This is her bottom of her email.
>> Okay.
[32:20] » So, I guess it doesn't say who she is.
What she is.
[32:23] » Okay. Captain patrol. I could get the
captain of the road patrol.
[32:29] [cough] You may have to after meeting
your contact information.
[32:37] And uh so I have an email back to her
saying, "Wait, something's not right." I
[32:43] didn't even look at these, but as soon
as I seen the state logo, okay, that's
[32:47] why the accidents are only five. If you
look at Meer Palms, this is a 24.
[32:52] » I believe though all like information on
that that the sheriff's department does
[32:57] funnel that to the state police and they
do a lot of
[33:01] » and that would be fine. If it is all one
total, that's fine, too. I don't care.
[33:05] The point is, I don't believe these
totals are correct. So,
[33:09] » all right.
really just I I went to the road
[33:12] commission meeting and I brought that up
today this morning and and one of the
[33:17] fellas um said that he had
I'm not sure exactly where he was from
[33:24] but but he he had gone down um Meister
and almost didn't stop at Paul's road
[33:33] and he thought it was because of the
roundabout traffic being deterred when
[33:39] they were putting that up and that's why
there were so many accidents cuz there
[33:42] was the people were unfamiliar
>> then that could very well be um I know
[33:48] cuz I talked to them before about a
four-way here and they're hesitant
[33:53] because Palms Road is a truck route.
>> Yeah.
[33:55] » Now they're more receptive when Church
Road gets paid from Norway Highway to
[34:01] Meisner a four-way stop there because
either Church Road nor Meer are truck
[34:05] truck routes. So, um, that's the one I
know that's going to be the thing that
[34:10] » they they did tell me they're going to
look into it.
[34:12] » Yeah,
>> because like the Indian Trail that's not
[34:15] in Castle. So,
>> I was just using that as another
[34:19] example.
That report actually says the same each
[34:23] year.
>> I would like to see a warway at Meer and
[34:26] the Palms. I think that didn't save.
>> Well, I mean, I I don't want that. I
[34:30] actually I would actually totally fight
that. I would be standing at that corner
[34:34] fighting it. Well, the the engineer was
there today and and she said she would
[34:39] look into it, too,
>> right? So,
[34:42] » um
>> we'll see.
[34:43] » There's just, you know, like I said last
meeting, I'm not for the one at church
[34:47] adviser either.
>> Well, why?
[34:50] » Because people are too busy in their own
heads anymore to pay attention. And the
[34:56] more things you have them pay attention
to, the less it's going to get paid
[35:00] attention. I bet though the people that
live in the area will disapp
[35:05] I live on a stop sign. I wish there
wasn't one there. Go
[35:12] on your way. Don't stop and squeal and
everything else that comes with living
[35:18] on a corner.
>> I mean, you guys don't understand what
[35:21] it's like living on a corner.
>> Yeah. Church in in Liz near the summit
[35:25] is going to be killed on that corner.
>> Well, somebody's going to jail.
[35:28] » I understand that. But that road they
used to they don't nobody pays attention
[35:32] on that corner.
>> No.
[35:34] » Yeah.
>> And there could be some issues there
[35:36] regarding when it used to be church road
had to stop or misner had to stop and
[35:42] church was the
>> drive. Yeah.
[35:44] » You know there's a lot of little changes
that happened and
[35:47] » well I I did that one years ago up on
Grasset where Grasset used to be the
[35:52] drive-thru for year. Okay. before we
stopped there at um Gratchet and W.
[35:58] Well, they Grashet was always the
drive-thru. Well, they changed it so at
[36:04] night there was a stop at Grath through
W and so wrong.
[36:09] » I I actually almost went through that
one night because I used to own a shop
[36:14] at the corner.
>> No, that's confusing.
[36:16] » That's a that area is that's a local
road.
[36:19] » It's a local
>> Well, it's a county road, I should say,
[36:22] » right? It shouldn't be that way that
that crash should not be the one.
[36:27] » I just had a few come in today. Um they
just did it up in Grant Township where
[36:33] they put one of these um the the for the
speed the the radar thing that shows
[36:39] that they say that actually lowers. So
I'm thinking hey maybe like on my road
[36:44] maybe a good thing. So I'm going to
investigate.
[36:47] » Amen. And then one other question
[36:51] that you guys just moved into the
general fund account. What happens and
[36:56] what constitutes an emergency and does
that money ever move back
[37:01] » to the general?
>> The road the road commission determines
[37:04] whether it's or somebody calls and says,
you know, we've got and it always
[37:09] happens usually by the overpasses.
it just crers out, you know, and um and
[37:18] or the road commissioner will tell us or
a resident will tell us then, you know,
[37:22] we're not going through that.
>> So every year we just automatically do
[37:25] 20 and it's always useful.
>> What it is then what they do there is
[37:29] they'll just put some limestone down.
They don't they don't come in grade that
[37:34] because when they do at that time,
especially in the frost, they'll just
[37:37] turn that into soup. So what they do is
they'll put some limestone down, level
[37:42] it off a bit to deal with and limestone
that stuff's cost.
[37:49] » Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[37:50] » And the prices are due to increase.
>> Okay. Any other questions? Yeah.
[37:55] » Any other questions?
>> Okay. Um board comments.
[37:59] » I have one. Um, I contacted the grant
program administrator from the MAMC
[38:07] um for our reimbursement for the ramp
and he said that it was included with
[38:16] our request was included with their
quarterly request to the MEDC. I don't
[38:20] know who the MEDC is, but he said that
he's hoping within the next two weeks
[38:25] he'll get word and then the checks will
be distributed. So, just following up on
[38:29] that.
>> Yep. So hopefully within the next month
[38:32] we should get some money back.
>> And the ramp project um we had a local
[38:35] contractor work on it. He did a good
job. It doesn't look finished cuz it's
[38:40] not he's waiting for the um the weather
the wood to age a bit and then he'll
[38:45] come and refinish it. So all right that
>> Okay, Gia.
[38:51] » Okay. So, I went to the road commission
meeting this morning and I found out and
[38:57] I don't know if that was just me that
didn't know because sometimes it is that
[39:02] electric cars don't pay tax
>> when they because they don't they don't
[39:08] get gas. So, they don't pay tax on gas.
>> So, they just charge.
[39:12] » So, they have to pay more for their
permits and stuff.
[39:16] » Okay.
>> I did not know that but thinking about
[39:20] it. Yeah. It's
>> weird. Mhm.
[39:21] » Yeah.
>> So, anyway, I found that out. Um,
[39:26] let's see. The stone the stone prices
are going to be available in February.
[39:31] And then there's an annual meeting. So,
you're going to get a
[39:34] » email and there's different times.
>> Yeah. We're always the road commission.
[39:38] We always meet with the road commission
in late February.
[39:42] » 17th.
>> Yeah. So, we'll um and we go up there.
[39:46] Board members want to come. We discussed
that give us the cost of what the
[39:51] limestone with the chloride's going to
be in different programs are doing.
[39:57] » Shame.
>> Okay.
[40:01] » Yeah.
>> So, Sanford Highway and Watams Road is
[40:05] going to get um round about
>> this year.
[40:09] » What? I'm sorry.
>> St. Highway and Watsams.
[40:12] » Oh, they're going to get a roundabout.
and Shay and Stargo.
[40:19] » Shay and Star.
[40:30] Did you see those big holes on the side?
>> Yeah, I didn't like that.
[40:34] » Wow.
[40:39] » Let's see what else.
[40:44] That's it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Dan.
[40:46] » Oh, but I have another question. I'm
sorry.
[40:50] » Okay. So, I got this I I don't know if
it was today or yesterday's m and and
[40:56] I'm looking at this for inside of
Lancing. So, the different um
[41:01] bills that were passed in December,
>> I don't know if that's going to include
[41:06] everybody in the whole state. landslits.
>> The first 10 acres
[41:14] » of a parent
>> tract is to divide it up to 10 parcels.
[41:18] » Yep.
>> Mhm.
[41:19] » 10 one acre.
>> Yeah. But how can how can that be in a
[41:25] rural community? I know
>> that depends on wells.
[41:29] » Yes. And septic fields. Yes.
>> Well, yeah.
[41:35] » Water.
>> Yeah. But we're protected by our
[41:38] » That's right.
>> our zoning.
[41:44] » Well, that's a good question. That's a
good question.
[41:49] » Yes.
>> But and if and if they are, are they
[41:53] going to supply us with water?
>> Right. I mean, that's
[42:00] » Well, it's interesting. Um folks, last
week I was looking at the minutes from
[42:06] 30 years ago and the planning commission
and they talked about our cases width to
[42:12] depth ratio for our lots is 20 to1. They
talked about making it 4 to one. But
[42:18] they their view at the time was having
the long deep lots would preserve our
[42:26] rural character because once you break
apart land it's hard to put it back
[42:31] together.
>> Developers like big undeveloped lots. If
[42:38] you go down 26 mile road, you see McCome
Township with those big side bars.
[42:43] » That's future grounds for subdivision
cuz 10 years ago, 20 years ago, that was
[42:48] on 23 mile road, those side cars.
>> So, and that's one and I was thinking
[42:55] that that was set back in the 60s, our
thing. And uh I said, "Yeah, that that
[43:01] would do that." So, Richmond Township,
they have a thing where they do
[43:05] agricultural preservation. They allow
development by the road smaller lots but
[43:09] behind them the bigger agricultural
fields are protected. So but that was a
[43:15] decision they made back at that time
too. So um yeah they knew development
[43:21] coming when 94 was put in in the early
60s through the township here.
[43:28] » Okay. Any questions?
>> Nope. network.
[43:32] » Um I got a little postcard in the mail
today um just as I was coming uh from
[43:39] St. Clair County. It says their new 2025
um updated platin. So I'm buying one for
[43:48] our house and I'd like to have one for
the township just to see it's have 25
[43:53] years of growth and that's and splits
and things like that.
[43:57] » So that'll be good. I have with me. So,
I'll um maybe put in an order tomorrow.
[44:02] I think the platin
mat itself is $45.
[44:09] So,
>> a new one.
[44:12] » Okay. And I read I read something else
in here and I can't find it now, but do
[44:15] they move the election to May?
>> No, there there's May is always set for
[44:23] an election if it's there's like a
school election or something. Okay.
[44:25] Yeah. It's not the
>> I haven't heard that we have anything.
[44:30] » All right.
>> Okay. Um Okay. I tal already talked
[44:34] about um right now the church road
paving right now. They're just they I've
[44:40] been getting a lot of calls because
they've been putting stakes and that
[44:43] what they're going to do some of their
surveying work. Um people have been
[44:47] asking when they're going to do the
paving. It's set for 2026 sometime. They
[44:52] haven't did the engineering work. Once
they do that and start to get some
[44:56] quotes, they'll know more. Um the road
commission did tell me the um director
[45:02] that we're going to be doing a double
chip seal on Springborn Lane, Mismir
[45:08] Lane, and Lindsay Lane. That's that new
surface preservation program. So that'll
[45:14] be what they're going to spend it on
this year. If the funding continues to
[45:19] stay, next year we'll do putty cut lane
and Sincler highway lane and [snorts]
[45:24] any extra we could put toward if Sincler
highway doesn't need it, we could put it
[45:30] toward our limestone hall, our main
limestone hall.
[45:33] » But they're just doing the first mile of
Church Road off of 26.
[45:39] » Uh, no, they'll be doing the um two
miles from Highway to Me.
[45:46] So, what do you prefer? What do you
think is going to happen with your truck
[45:49] traffic then?
>> Trust me, it's bad enough now on my You
[45:54] say that's not a truck route.
>> Yeah,
[45:56] » it's a truck route.
>> And it's not just tough trucking.
[45:59] [laughter]
>> Well, anyone that trucks that travel, it
[46:02] should be local that actually live in
the township or that. It's not a through
[46:07] um
>> Yeah, it's not to have a job.
[46:10] » It's not supposed to know. Well, that's
miser county road, but I could check
[46:14] into that.
>> West Highway when they posted that, that
[46:17] eliminated a lot of that. So,
[46:22] » Sler Highway is a local.
>> Well, that's what it's going to be.
[46:26] » No,
>> that's what it's going to be.
[46:29] » Are you serious?
>> I think so. 55.
[46:32] » It's 55 on Meer,
>> which I would like to see somebody 55
[46:38] on. Yeah, there there's nobody driving
unless you broke down the road. The
[46:44] » the speed limit on our um limestone
roads is 55 miles an hour unless posted.
[46:51] Yeah.
>> In order to go through that process,
[46:54] you would have to get
it's archer. You have to have the
[46:59] director of road commission um
representative from the sheriff's
[47:02] department representative from the state
police and from they do a study
[47:08] » and then you have somebody to enforce
it.
[47:10] » Yeah.
>> Copy.
[47:13] » Yeah. That's the thing. The sh um
residents on highway trucks. Okay.
[47:20] Engine brake. Instead of using their
regular brakes, they use the engine to
[47:23] slow it down. And you always have
>> Oh, is that what that means?
[47:28] Jake,
>> they would like a sign up. They have
[47:32] further one further down on Marine City
Highway near the roundabout. I mean
[47:36] Fredmore Highway near the roundabout at
lots. No engine break. Well, I talked to
[47:42] the road commission. They said, "Well,
you have to enforce it. It's on a county
[47:46] road. The sheriff's they sit there
parked a lot.
[47:49] » I think they have one on King Road
between 31."
[47:52] » So, the thing is that I'm going to press
for more on that.
[47:55] » Yeah. Because yeah, that's a problem.
Especially those folks, they're trying
[47:59] to sleep at night, the trucks come down,
>> that wakes them up from that.
[48:04] » We had a sign last year someone had
apparently there was a problem with uh
[48:08] idiots passing school buses instead of
stopping to let the kids go on and
[48:12] someone I don't know who it was, but
there was actually a trailer mounted
[48:15] light right on there for I think for the
summer.
[48:18] » Yeah. What happened is it was there on
my road and we got the sheriff's
[48:23] department to monitor that for a while
there because that there was people who
[48:27] was the bus was there fourway
>> and they passed it
[48:31] » really
>> I know somebody whose child was killed
[48:36] that way
>> off the bus is striking
[48:40] » yeah you know like someone said well
there's no house on your side but kids
[48:44] are impulsive
>> yes they are
[48:46] » you know they can even look at they
could be running
[48:48] » a lot of times I don't even see him.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's just
[48:52] » Yeah. But uh Okay. Anything else?
>> That was
[48:56] » okay. I think we're
>> um Thank you for the questions and
[49:00] Denny, thank you for your concern, your
safety. That is very well intended and
[49:05] appreciated. So,
>> okay, we're up to a journ.
[49:09] » Make a motion to adjurnn.
>> All in favor? I motion carries.
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