1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,720 I'll officially call to order the 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,240 regular meeting of Coachella Valley 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Water District Board of Directors uh 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,599 January 13, 2026 here in Palm Desert. 5 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,920 And uh would you please stand and join 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,320 me in the pledge of allegiance? 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,029 >> Good morning. 8 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,640 » I pledge algiance to the flag of America 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,960 and to the republic for which it stands, 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,000 one nation, indivisibley 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,920 and justice for all. All 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,910 right. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,559 And uh so prior to roll call, I would 14 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:37,920 like to make clear for the record of 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,360 this meeting and it should be reflected 16 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,040 in the minutes that at least a portion 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,360 of this meeting is being conducted 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,879 pursuant to California government code 19 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:46,879 section 54953 20 00:00:46,879 --> 00:00:49,360 in that director Aguilar is in Orlando, 21 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,840 Florida, and will be participating by 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,399 speakerphone. In accordance with the 23 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:56,399 Ralph M. Brown Act. The teleconference 24 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:58,000 location has been identified on the 25 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,320 agenda for this meeting. [snorts] Kirk 26 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,480 Bermudas, will you please call the role? 27 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,830 >> Yes. Good morning. And just a 28 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:03,840 » Yes. Good morning. And just a 29 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,360 clarification, he does have video. I 30 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,280 should have put teleconference, but he 31 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,360 does have video options on that. Uh, 32 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,479 President Pal 33 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:10,950 >> here. 34 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:10,960 » here. 35 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,070 >> Vice President Estrada 36 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:12,080 » Vice President Estrada 37 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,550 >> here. 38 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:12,560 » here. 39 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,590 >> Director Biano 40 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:13,600 » Director Biano 41 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:14,070 >> here. 42 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:14,080 » here. 43 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,830 >> Director Aguilar 44 00:01:15,830 --> 00:01:15,840 » Director Aguilar 45 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,469 >> here. 46 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:16,479 » here. 47 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:17,590 >> And director Nelson 48 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:17,600 » And director Nelson 49 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,070 >> here. 50 00:01:18,070 --> 00:01:18,080 » here. 51 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,429 >> Thank you. 52 00:01:19,429 --> 00:01:19,439 » Thank you. 53 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:21,030 >> I would now like to request that 54 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:21,040 » I would now like to request that 55 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Director Aguilar respond to the 56 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,560 following questions. one. Uh, Director 57 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,439 Agular, can you hear me well? 58 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:28,789 >> Yes, I can, John. 59 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:28,799 » Yes, I can, John. 60 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:31,429 >> Great. Yeah, I hear you, too. Um, were 61 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:31,439 » Great. Yeah, I hear you, too. Um, were 62 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:33,119 you able to hear our proceedings on this 63 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:35,360 end up until now? 64 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,230 >> Yes. 65 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:36,240 » Yes. 66 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,069 >> Do you have a copy of the agenda for 67 00:01:38,069 --> 00:01:38,079 » Do you have a copy of the agenda for 68 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,600 this meeting? 69 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,630 >> I do. 70 00:01:40,630 --> 00:01:40,640 » I do. 71 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,310 >> Have you posted the agenda at your 72 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:42,320 » Have you posted the agenda at your 73 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,680 location? 74 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,749 >> I have. 75 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:45,759 » I have. 76 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:48,000 Is your um location reasonably 77 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,079 accessible to the public that such such 78 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:51,520 that any member of the public could 79 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,439 participate in this teleconference from 80 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:55,360 your location if he or she wished to do 81 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,960 so? 82 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,469 >> Uh yes it is. 83 00:01:58,469 --> 00:01:58,479 » Uh yes it is. 84 00:01:58,479 --> 00:01:59,990 >> Is there any member of the public there 85 00:01:59,990 --> 00:02:00,000 » Is there any member of the public there 86 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 with you who would like to participate? 87 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,389 >> Uh not at the moment. 88 00:02:04,389 --> 00:02:04,399 » Uh not at the moment. 89 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:07,030 >> Okay. Well, just let us know. 90 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:07,040 » Okay. Well, just let us know. 91 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,109 >> Um 92 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:09,119 » Um 93 00:02:09,119 --> 00:02:11,430 >> great. As a reminder, all votes for this 94 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:11,440 » great. As a reminder, all votes for this 95 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:20,390 meeting must be taken by roll call. 96 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,400 I got two pages at the same time. 97 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,750 >> What if I read the next one? It would 98 00:02:25,750 --> 00:02:25,760 » What if I read the next one? It would 99 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,959 have been funny. Okay. So, uh, do we 100 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:30,640 have any additions, deletions, or 101 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,239 adjustments to the agenda? 102 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:34,710 >> No, sir, we do not. 103 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:34,720 » No, sir, we do not. 104 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,589 >> No, I don't think so. 105 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:37,599 » No, I don't think so. 106 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,440 Uh, is there anybody from the public 107 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,680 wishing to comment at this time? 108 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,080 non-aggenda items. 109 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,750 >> We we do have a couple just I'll just 110 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:47,760 » We we do have a couple just I'll just 111 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,599 note it for the record, not for uh 112 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:51,360 general public, but we do we will have 113 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,840 speakers for item 8A just so that the 114 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,040 board is aware. 115 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,869 >> Yes. All right. So, we will get those 116 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:56,879 » Yes. All right. So, we will get those 117 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:00,480 speakers at that time. And then um so 118 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,200 nobody with the public comment at this 119 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,800 time. We do have special presentations 120 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,879 and recognitions. 121 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:11,040 Uh and I will read for those who are 122 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,360 present. 123 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,519 Um, first of all, 124 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,599 with an anniversary, 125 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:23,120 John Van Winkle with 20 years. John 126 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Vaninkl was hired as a distribution 127 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,120 operator trainee and has worked his way 128 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,319 up to a domestic equipment operator all 129 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,799 while serving on the West Shores crew. 130 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:34,640 Despite working under several crew 131 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,400 chiefs over the years, he has 132 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,920 consistently remained a valued and 133 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,840 reliable operator for the Sultan Sea 134 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,440 area. 135 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,519 Sultan City presents unique challenges 136 00:03:43,519 --> 00:03:46,080 as water manes are located behind homes 137 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,879 and roads and roads wind in multiple 138 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,799 directions unlike other areas where they 139 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:52,319 typically run north, south, or east, 140 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,879 west. John's extensive knowledge of this 141 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,120 area makes him a major asset to the 142 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,879 team. From identifying problematic 143 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,599 locations to locating hard to find 144 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,439 isolation valves in alleyways and 145 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:04,959 backyards, 146 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:07,040 he knows to proactively check those 147 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,799 areas when reservoir levels start to 148 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:10,799 drop, often before customers report an 149 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:13,200 issue. John is a hard worker who 150 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,959 maintains a positive attitude and is 151 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:17,440 especially well suited to responding to 152 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,120 leaks around the salt and sea. 153 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Congratulations on 20 years of service. 154 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,520 And we'll come up after and do that. and 155 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,320 then retirement. Olivia Bennett, 156 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,479 non-potable water program manager with 157 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:34,080 23 years. When Olivia Bennett joined 158 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 CBWD in 2002 as a water quality lab 159 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,560 technician, she never imagined her 160 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,320 career would take her from running 161 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,560 atomic absorption machines to helping 162 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,320 transform some of Coachella Valley's 163 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,320 largest landscapes. 164 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,919 Born in Jacksonville, Illinois, Olivia 165 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:52,000 was a prevet major and received her 166 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,759 bachelor of science in biology from 167 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,520 McMurray College before moving to the 168 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,680 desert in 1997. 169 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Her early love of animals and science 170 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,840 guided her path, including time at 171 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,160 veterinary clinics in the Living Desert. 172 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,840 Her science background earned her a 173 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,759 position in the district's lab as a 174 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:10,880 technician, then as a lab analyst, then 175 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,639 an engineering technician in water 176 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,280 resources. Eventually, she stepped into 177 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,880 her longtime management position 178 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,720 overseeing recycled and non-potable 179 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,479 water operations. 180 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:22,639 Tom West, assistant director for 181 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,720 operations for sanitation, stated that 182 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,520 Olivia's always been ahead of the game, 183 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,080 taking the non-potable program from an 184 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,160 idea to the strong, successful program 185 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,160 that it is today. She's not just 186 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,759 professional and organized. She's the 187 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,160 kind of person who makes the world, the 188 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 whole team better with her energy and 189 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:41,919 kindness. We're really going to miss 190 00:05:41,919 --> 00:05:45,990 her. 191 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,463 It goes on. 192 00:05:48,463 --> 00:05:51,189 [laughter] 193 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,919 I will miss you a little later. Um, 194 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:56,080 they've always been changing my 195 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,680 responsibilities around, giving me 196 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,759 something new to focus on, which I 197 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,919 appreciate because it has been it has 198 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:04,560 kept my brain going, says Olivia. For 199 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,479 the last 15 years, Olivia has shouldered 200 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:09,280 CVW's non-potable water program, which 201 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,199 transitions golf courses, large 202 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:13,919 landscape properties and agricultural 203 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:15,600 irrigation from groundwater to 204 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,000 non-potable water. Under her leadership, 205 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,560 non-potable water use rose dramatically 206 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,520 with some sites achieving 100% recycled 207 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,880 water usage. Olivia now looks forward to 208 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,880 hiking, painting, quilting, and picking 209 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,680 up new skills like beekeeping, chicken 210 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,000 raising. guessing you're going to raise 211 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,680 eggs [laughter] 212 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,199 and gardening. She plans to enjoy more 213 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,600 time with her husband Rick, also a CBWD 214 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 retiree, and their pack of shorty bulls, 215 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Lugnut, Lauraai, Groucho, and Chicky 216 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,440 Blue, [laughter] 217 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,160 who rule the house. From nurturing 218 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,759 animals to nurturing landscapes, 219 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,160 Olivia's career has come full circle as 220 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,479 she prepares to trade fairways and 221 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:00,319 pumping stations for something closer to 222 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:03,360 her roots, acres of open land. 223 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,039 That was actually really well written. 224 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:07,680 And I would say um when we list the 225 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,520 dogs, the pets names, they have to be 226 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,039 cute like that otherwise we're not going 227 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:12,800 to read. [laughter] 228 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Those are wonderful names. Okay. So, and 229 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,680 then we also who are not here um Alberto 230 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,680 Rodriguez, building maintenance 231 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,720 technician with 20 years. Alejandra, 232 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,919 these are retirements, right? Alejandro 233 00:07:25,919 --> 00:07:28,319 Silva, fleet and equipment technician 234 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,319 two with 20 years. and Steuart Taylor 235 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:32,160 fleet and equipment manager with eight 236 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,960 years. So, congratulations to everybody 237 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,639 and we'll have the two present come on 238 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:56,869 up one at a time, right? [applause] 239 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:58,800 » Thank you. I really want to ask you a 240 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,039 bunch of questions. 241 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:19,430 >> All right. [clears throat] 242 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,720 It's up to you. 243 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,550 >> You meant a few words. 244 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,520 » You don't have to. 245 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,189 >> No, I'd rather not. 246 00:08:27,189 --> 00:08:27,199 » No, I'd rather not. 247 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:28,309 >> All right. 248 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:28,319 » All right. 249 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:30,895 >> Put my foot in my mouth. 250 00:08:30,895 --> 00:08:30,905 » Put my foot in my mouth. 251 00:08:30,905 --> 00:08:32,719 [laughter] 252 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:34,149 >> Thank you. 253 00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:34,159 » Thank you. 254 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:35,110 >> Great. 255 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:35,120 » Great. 256 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:35,670 >> Thank you. 257 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:35,680 » Thank you. 258 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:36,949 >> What about the questions? You had a 259 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:36,959 » What about the questions? You had a 260 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:37,680 whole bunch of questions. 261 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,829 >> Well, I mean, do you get to know people? 262 00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:39,839 » Well, I mean, do you get to know people? 263 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:41,430 >> Yeah. Well, I've lived out there since I 264 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:41,440 » Yeah. Well, I've lived out there since I 265 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,720 was 13, so yeah, like I've met a lot of 266 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,080 people and they usually come up and 267 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,480 start asking me before if they see if 268 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,360 they see me in the middle of the street 269 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,120 or something, they'll start asking 270 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,760 questions like what what we're doing and 271 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,839 all that. But, you know, or if they if 272 00:08:55,839 --> 00:08:57,279 we got the water off and somebody's 273 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:58,720 upset, if they see me there, they'll 274 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,000 come talk to me. I'm usually able to 275 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,640 smooth it over. 276 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,310 >> But it's been it's been a long it's been 277 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:04,320 » But it's been it's been a long it's been 278 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,000 a long ride, but it's been a fun ride. 279 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,231 >> I feel like I'm working for K. 280 00:09:08,231 --> 00:09:08,241 » I feel like I'm working for K. 281 00:09:08,241 --> 00:09:09,360 [laughter] 282 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:09,910 >> Thank you. 283 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:09,920 » Thank you. 284 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,509 >> If you were working for KSQ, you'd be 285 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:11,519 » If you were working for KSQ, you'd be 286 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:12,399 holding the camera, too. 287 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:14,150 >> That's right. 288 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:14,160 » That's right. 289 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:14,710 >> Thank you. 290 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:14,720 » Thank you. 291 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,269 >> Thank you. 292 00:09:15,269 --> 00:09:15,279 » Thank you. 293 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:16,710 >> Thank you. Stay out. 294 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:16,720 » Thank you. Stay out. 295 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:24,870 >> I will [applause] 296 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:46,221 for you. 297 00:09:46,231 --> 00:09:48,080 » [cough] 298 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,350 >> They forgot to say you have a great 299 00:09:49,350 --> 00:09:49,360 » They forgot to say you have a great 300 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,760 sense of you. [laughter] 301 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,150 >> I just wanted to say thank you to the 302 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:54,160 » I just wanted to say thank you to the 303 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,040 board for supporting the non-putable 304 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,519 program. 305 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,120 Um, and to my supervisors for trusting 306 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,360 me and giving me the freedom to do 307 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,519 whatever I needed to do. and to my crews 308 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,120 and my crew chief. I think you're 309 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,320 awesome and you can do anything. Um, 310 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,839 thank you to the customers for um 311 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:20,640 realizing the benefit to the community 312 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,640 and for using 80% non-potable water. Um, 313 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,160 thank you to my husband who I met here. 314 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,079 He retired five years ago, which we 315 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:32,560 still can't believe. [laughter] 316 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,440 Um, and ever since I started working 317 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,720 anywhere, I've wanted to retire. And um, 318 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,160 finally I'm eligible to do it. And I 319 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,760 cannot believe it's here. And it's 320 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,560 overwhelmingly joyful and um, scary all 321 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,440 at once. So, thank you so much. 322 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,342 >> Thank you. Appreciate it. 323 00:10:54,342 --> 00:10:54,352 » Thank you. Appreciate it. 324 00:10:54,352 --> 00:10:59,750 [applause] 325 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:20,550 » Stay healthy. Enjoy. Is this here? 326 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:23,600 Very nice. 327 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,990 >> Yeah, the non-potable program is kind of 328 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:26,000 » Yeah, the non-potable program is kind of 329 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,160 fundamental to what we do. It's 330 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,677 >> so amazing when people retire so early. 331 00:11:31,677 --> 00:11:31,687 » so amazing when people retire so early. 332 00:11:31,687 --> 00:11:32,470 >> [laughter] 333 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:32,480 » [laughter] 334 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,670 >> kidding, right? 335 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:33,680 » kidding, right? 336 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:34,389 >> Well, some do. 337 00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:34,399 » Well, some do. 338 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:35,430 >> It's hard to believe. 339 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:35,440 » It's hard to believe. 340 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,790 >> Then they go out and get another job 341 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:36,800 » Then they go out and get another job 342 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,440 somewhere else. 343 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,550 >> So young. That's what I meant to say. 344 00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:42,560 » So young. That's what I meant to say. 345 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:43,350 >> So again, 346 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:43,360 » So again, 347 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,470 >> yeah. Great. 348 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:46,480 » yeah. Great. 349 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,440 Our consent calendar consists of items 6 350 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,310 A through L. 351 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Is there a motion to approve the consent 352 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,000 calendar? 353 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,118 >> Yes. So move. 354 00:12:03,128 --> 00:12:04,640 » [clears throat] 355 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,430 >> I'll second your uh motion there. And uh 356 00:12:09,430 --> 00:12:09,440 » I'll second your uh motion there. And uh 357 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,160 all in favor or we are doing a roll. 358 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,190 >> Roll call vote, please. 359 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:13,200 » Roll call vote, please. 360 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,870 >> Yes. Uh President Pal, 361 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:14,880 » Yes. Uh President Pal, 362 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,590 >> I. 363 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:15,600 » I. 364 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,030 >> Vice President Estrada, 365 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:17,040 » Vice President Estrada, 366 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:17,509 >> yes. 367 00:12:17,509 --> 00:12:17,519 » yes. 368 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:18,790 >> Director Biano, 369 00:12:18,790 --> 00:12:18,800 » Director Biano, 370 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,269 >> yes. 371 00:12:19,269 --> 00:12:19,279 » yes. 372 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,030 >> Director Aguilar, 373 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:21,040 » Director Aguilar, 374 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,590 >> yes. 375 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:21,600 » yes. 376 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,790 >> And director Nelson, 377 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:22,800 » And director Nelson, 378 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,190 >> I. 379 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:23,200 » I. 380 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,350 >> Thank you. 5. 381 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:25,360 » Thank you. 5. 382 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,269 >> Passed. 5. 383 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:27,279 » Passed. 5. 384 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:31,120 under the action calendar 8A. 385 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,839 Sabrina is gonna Yes. Good morning. 386 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:43,030 >> The floor is yours. 387 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,320 » Is it green? Green is 388 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,310 >> green. Green is on. 389 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:46,320 » green. Green is on. 390 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,910 >> Green means go. 391 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:47,920 » Green means go. 392 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,829 >> Good morning. Um for the record, my name 393 00:12:49,829 --> 00:12:49,839 » Good morning. Um for the record, my name 394 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:53,279 is Sabrina, Sanji manager for domestic 395 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,200 water. Um that before you today is um 396 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,040 our recommendation to reject the bid 397 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600 from TBU Incorporated as non-responsive 398 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,959 deemed de Domin I'm sorry uh deemed 399 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:06,720 Dominguez General Engineering 400 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,480 Incorporated bid protest moot and 401 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,000 authorize the general manager to execute 402 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,839 a construction contract with Dominguez 403 00:13:11,839 --> 00:13:13,440 General Engineering as the lowest 404 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,360 responsive and responsible bidder in the 405 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,560 amount of $10,312,530 406 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,959 for the Sun City domestic water Sun City 407 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:23,120 Palm Desert water main replacement phase 408 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,639 2B project specification 2025-7 409 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,560 and approve additional expenditures in 410 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,590 the for a total request of 11,930,000. 411 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,399 Um the item before you today uh we did 412 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:40,639 receive a bid protest um which alleged 413 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,560 that um TBU Incorporated failed to 414 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:45,920 attach a notary acknowledgement to the 415 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,000 non-colision declaration. It failed to 416 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,320 provide authority for Jesus Nunees as an 417 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,560 estimator to bind TBU Incorporated to 418 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,000 the bid and it failed to provide the 419 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,480 required fleet compliance certificates. 420 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,040 Um we did review this with legal counsel 421 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,680 um independently CBWD review the bids 422 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,480 and also recommended um that the bid be 423 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,880 deemed non-responsive and I'd be happy 424 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,639 to answer any additional questions that 425 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:16,310 you may have regarding this item. 426 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,399 Is this the item where we have 427 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:19,990 >> Yes, we have public comments. 428 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:20,000 » Yes, we have public comments. 429 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,430 >> We do have I just wanted to 430 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:21,440 » We do have I just wanted to 431 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,430 >> for consideration 432 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:23,440 » for consideration 433 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,629 >> just want to make sure we get through 434 00:14:24,629 --> 00:14:24,639 » just want to make sure we get through 435 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:26,560 the presentation and then allow them. 436 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,030 >> All right. Are you do you have more 437 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:29,040 » All right. Are you do you have more 438 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,079 presentation? 439 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:31,590 >> Um no, unless there's any additional 440 00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:31,600 » Um no, unless there's any additional 441 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,320 questions. 442 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,829 >> Okay. 443 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:38,639 Well, my my 444 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:40,079 questions and comments were going to be 445 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:41,920 more along the lines of the letter that 446 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,959 was submitted by the contractor that 447 00:14:44,959 --> 00:14:46,560 submitted the protest and then there was 448 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,480 a response to that. 449 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,430 >> Correct. 450 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:49,440 » Correct. 451 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,110 >> So, I wanted to kind of hear more about 452 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:51,120 » So, I wanted to kind of hear more about 453 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,560 that, but I don't know if it's more 454 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,199 appropriate to wait after the comments. 455 00:14:57,199 --> 00:14:58,069 >> I would. 456 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:58,079 » I would. 457 00:14:58,079 --> 00:15:02,389 >> Yes. Is it is it normal that 458 00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:02,399 » Yes. Is it is it normal that 459 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:06,480 um when a company leaves a few of these 460 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,440 things out um uh to reject it? Or 461 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,350 >> is there a chance for the district to go 462 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:13,360 » is there a chance for the district to go 463 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,800 back to them and say, "Hey, your your 464 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,800 bid looks good, but you've missed a few 465 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,800 things." Do you have this do you have 466 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,240 this paperwork that needs to be 467 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 submitted along with your bid, or it's a 468 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,470 >> we can't do that under the law? There 469 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:26,480 » we can't do that under the law? There 470 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,000 are times um and and Jeff can um chime 471 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,360 in on this, but there are times when 472 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,440 there's administrative errors. Um in 473 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,000 this case, there were multiple um issues 474 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,079 with this bid. It's not one particular 475 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:40,880 item. It were several items. 476 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,710 >> It would it be against the law to allow 477 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:44,720 » It would it be against the law to allow 478 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,040 them to 479 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,639 show you the information that was 480 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,079 missing? 481 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,470 >> And I can answer that question. Um the 482 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:52,480 » And I can answer that question. Um the 483 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,279 yes uh the bids have to be submitted and 484 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:58,079 all material aspects have to be correct. 485 00:15:58,079 --> 00:15:59,759 If we were to go back to them and say 486 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,920 have just please give us give it to them 487 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,320 us now then there would be protest. In 488 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,240 fact there was a protest originally 489 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,320 submitted by the second lowest bidder to 490 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,800 outline these items. What the law says 491 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,440 is that you can't provide a the 492 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,120 opportunity for the lowest bid to go 493 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,839 back and change something or to clarify 494 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:19,920 something as that would be considered 495 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,000 under the law to give them an unfair 496 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,759 advantage over the other biders who 497 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,600 didn't make those requirements or met 498 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,560 those requirements. 499 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,680 What's the um what's the guidance that 500 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:38,160 we use or the standard um that 501 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,880 pushes us to rebid a project if 502 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,759 the next bid is substantially higher? Is 503 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:47,920 is there a guidance for that or are we 504 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,279 bound to accept the next 505 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:50,629 >> doesn't mount 506 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:50,639 » doesn't mount 507 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:52,550 >> are we bound to accept the next bid if 508 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:52,560 » are we bound to accept the next bid if 509 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,440 it's substantially higher? Yeah, I 510 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,560 believe that um the 511 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,670 >> unless there's a change in scope, 512 00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:59,680 » unless there's a change in scope, 513 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,230 >> unless we decide to change the plans or 514 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:02,240 » unless we decide to change the plans or 515 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,079 the specifications from the original 516 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:05,760 design, we can't just go out and ask 517 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,160 people to take a second shot at the same 518 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:08,720 thing. 519 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,470 >> Even if it's a million dollars more or 520 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:10,480 » Even if it's a million dollars more or 521 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,959 500,000, the amount doesn't matter. 522 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:14,789 >> Yes, sir. No, that's that's the rules. 523 00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:14,799 » Yes, sir. No, that's that's the rules. 524 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,750 >> So, we represent to the bidding world 525 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:17,760 » So, we represent to the bidding world 526 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,720 that this is the bid we would want to 527 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,880 receive bids and these things had to be 528 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,760 met. If we were to because of the price 529 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,400 difference just rebid the entire project 530 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,160 that would go against what our contract 531 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,919 documents say and that we're going out 532 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:34,640 to bid to get this project done as long 533 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,559 as the lowest bidder meets all of these 534 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,039 requirements. So it would be based on if 535 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,120 there was some misunderstanding of what 536 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:45,120 the project was or that we 537 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,440 underestimated the cost of the entire 538 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,200 project or something like that. But 539 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,000 other than that, going out to rebid a 540 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,080 project based on a price differential 541 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,919 would go against what we've represented 542 00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:59,360 to the public in our bid documents. 543 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,950 >> We could still decide not to do the 544 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:00,960 » We could still decide not to do the 545 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,039 project though altogether. 546 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:03,909 >> Yes, you can. 547 00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:03,919 » Yes, you can. 548 00:18:03,919 --> 00:18:04,950 >> Yeah, 549 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:04,960 » Yeah, 550 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,789 >> but that's exercising the contractor 551 00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:06,799 » but that's exercising the contractor 552 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:08,160 community. 553 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,830 >> Yeah. I mean, that's why we 554 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:09,840 » Yeah. I mean, that's why we 555 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,430 >> that's why we ask you if we can go out 556 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:11,440 » that's why we ask you if we can go out 557 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,320 for a bid first. 558 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,070 >> Yeah. We we actually have the board take 559 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:14,080 » Yeah. We we actually have the board take 560 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,827 action to go out and put it out to bid 561 00:18:15,827 --> 00:18:16,640 [clears throat] 562 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,720 with the idea that we're not going to be 563 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,400 exercising the bidding community. 564 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,350 >> Yeah. And I guess I I get all that. I 565 00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:23,360 » Yeah. And I guess I I get all that. I 566 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,559 don't know how much time we have to get 567 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,760 into the details of this protest and the 568 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,600 response to that protest to then make a 569 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,320 determination on 570 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,520 just the different things that are being 571 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,280 claimed because there's seems like 572 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,200 there's two sides to a story here. 573 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,430 >> The protest Yeah, the protest is moot 574 00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:39,440 » The protest Yeah, the protest is moot 575 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,360 though, right? So 576 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,190 >> I think protest. Well, that's the 577 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:43,200 » I think protest. Well, that's the 578 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,080 recommendation. 579 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,430 >> There was a protest from the second 580 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:45,440 » There was a protest from the second 581 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,440 lowest bidder to that outlined the 582 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,360 things that we as a staff had already 583 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,440 identified as making the lowest bidder 584 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,039 not responsive. 585 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,510 >> So, there were two bid two protests. One 586 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:55,520 » So, there were two bid two protests. One 587 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,679 was from the second lowest who is 588 00:18:57,679 --> 00:18:59,280 recommended to get the contract because 589 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,760 they had identified things that made the 590 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,919 lowest bid nonresponsible. But we had 591 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:06,880 already done that as a staff and legal 592 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,880 counsel. So that's why we're here today 593 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,039 receiving a letter from the lowest 594 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:16,160 bidder the uh to protest not getting the 595 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,919 contract. So I mean 596 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:20,950 >> so so what you're saying is that it it 597 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:20,960 » so so what you're saying is that it it 598 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,039 the protest letter was not what 599 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:25,440 initiated us to 600 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,160 deem the bid non-responsive. We we we 601 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,080 were already kind of doing that. 602 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,990 >> We had already made that determination 603 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:32,000 » We had already made that determination 604 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,280 if if I'm correct. 605 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,190 >> That's correct. But but my point in 606 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:35,200 » That's correct. But but my point in 607 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,320 bringing up that issue is that 608 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,080 there would be a protest there was a 609 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,840 protest of the second lowest bidder 610 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,160 identifying the very things that we have 611 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,960 already identified. So you had a protest 612 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,360 from the lowest bidder who's here to to 613 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,360 speak but also from the second lowest 614 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,679 bidder identifying things that if we 615 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:55,440 didn't comply with the contract would be 616 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,280 things that they would have raised or we 617 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,440 raised them initially. 618 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,510 >> So I it might be good to get 619 00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:01,520 » So I it might be good to get 620 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,990 >> the comments. All right. 621 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:04,000 » the comments. All right. 622 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,679 Right. Why don't we do that and then 623 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,679 maybe that'll lead to Yeah. some more 624 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:09,600 clarification or 625 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,310 >> Thank you. 626 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:10,320 » Thank you. 627 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,230 >> Sure. Uh first speaker I have is Brian 628 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:12,240 » Sure. Uh first speaker I have is Brian 629 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:25,029 Anders, please. 630 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:26,829 » Okay. 631 00:20:26,829 --> 00:20:27,679 [laughter] 632 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,909 >> Yes, ma'am. 633 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:29,919 » Yes, ma'am. 634 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:31,200 Good morning all. Thank you very much. 635 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,960 My name is Brian Anders. legal counsel 636 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,880 for TBU, the lowest bidder. Um, I'd like 637 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,000 to thank you for the opportunity to 638 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,520 address the issues here. Uh, there's 639 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,120 already been quite a bit of discussion, 640 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,720 touched on some key points here. Um, 641 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,559 ultimately the timeline on this, the bid 642 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:50,000 was timely submitted. Uh, admittedly, 643 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,720 certain aspects of it were omitted. It 644 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,039 doesn't mean that they weren't prepared, 645 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:58,559 created. They were simply omitted from 646 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:03,440 the scan that was sent. Um 647 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,679 the board here does have the power to 648 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:07,600 wave any minor or inconsequential 649 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,000 irregularities. Uh I would like to point 650 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,080 out that the the bid the scope of uh the 651 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,000 scope of work remained the same. There 652 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,360 were no material changes uh made at the 653 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,240 at the time of any corrective efforts on 654 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,039 December 3rd which I think the the there 655 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,559 was a reference to the TVU letter that 656 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,960 came in with the documentation and an 657 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,039 explanation there too. I also have the 658 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,799 principal Ted and uh Jesus with me today 659 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,480 who also will be speaking and kind of 660 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,880 sharing their series of events and 661 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,320 explaining the background on all of 662 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,120 this. Um ultimately the facts are the 663 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,120 facts. [snorts] The the scope of work 664 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:47,360 proposed was there were no issues with 665 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,559 the scope sorry scope of work proposed. 666 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,559 Um and the bid up from TBU came in at 667 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,480 $560,000 668 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,120 less than the next lowest bidder. um 669 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,280 taking the action taking the proposed 670 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,520 action of rejecting the lowest bid based 671 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,520 on what we perceive to be 672 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,679 inconsequential and immaterial grounds 673 00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:13,679 to the extent that nothing substantive 674 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:17,840 about the bid itself was changed uh 675 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,159 would carry an unnecessarily punitive 676 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:22,720 tone. um per the recommend and per the 677 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,640 recommendation will result in a net 678 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,280 increase of not just 560,000 679 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,080 but a total of over $1.6 million 680 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080 um [clears throat] 681 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,400 for the same scope of work and award the 682 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,880 contract to a company located over 90 683 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,760 miles from the job site. Uh in contrast, 684 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,600 TBU has offices in India. uh every they 685 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,679 they've got an office location and all 686 00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:49,520 staff that would be servicing this 687 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,880 contract located within 10 mile radius 688 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000 of the actual job site. Um [snorts] 689 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,400 not only that, TBU has an extensive 690 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,080 amount of experience not only in the 691 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480 region but with the city of Coachella 692 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,240 itself. 693 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,350 That's my time. Thank you. You 694 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:22,310 » Thank you. Uh next we have Jesus Nunes. 695 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,039 Hello everybody. 696 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:23,590 >> Morning. 697 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:23,600 » Morning. 698 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,350 >> Good morning. 699 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:25,360 » Good morning. 700 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,200 Um, 701 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,400 pretty much uh just going to go piggy 702 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,039 backing off of s Andrew's over here and 703 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,320 pretty much just saying same things uh 704 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,159 just not so technical in his certain 705 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:43,120 vocabulary. Um 706 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,600 given my newly appointed position, I you 707 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,720 know I've been I just now got uh 708 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,600 promoted to an estimator back in May, 709 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,559 early May. Um 710 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,320 with the guidance of our vice president, 711 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Charlie Wallen, and and my 712 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,440 superintendent supervisor, uh David 713 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,760 Eera, uh you know, we 714 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,120 you know, they've been working me. 715 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,440 They've been showing me the ropes of 716 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,960 everything of what it comes down to 717 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,559 bidding and you know bidding for 718 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,480 government funded projects. That's a 719 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,720 pretty big uh 720 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,200 it's a pretty big task at hand. You know 721 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,880 uh 722 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840 and you know I double check, triple 723 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,120 check everything, make sure everything's 724 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,720 all right. Uh these were errors that of 725 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,799 course were not intentional. I didn't, 726 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:32,880 you know, they were not meant to deceive 727 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,640 or to uh malinterpret anything on behalf 728 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,679 of TBU. Uh, 729 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,200 you know, they're [snorts] clerical 730 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,480 errors. Uh, 731 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,360 yeah, they uh 732 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,039 know they no man said nothing. You know, 733 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,080 I I like to do things uh right. I like 734 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,159 to do things fair. you know, ultimately 735 00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:00,640 you guys are sitting where you guys are. 736 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,640 You guys have the ultimate uh decision, 737 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520 you know. Uh but I just wanted to give 738 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,799 you guys my opinion, my side of the 739 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,520 story and everything. Uh 740 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,559 hopefully that helps me, my case, and 741 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,880 our company's case because we like he 742 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,640 mentioned, we're all local here. our 743 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,840 company, you know, I've been working 744 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,159 with the company for uh close to six 745 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:23,840 years 746 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,600 for my whole duration with the company. 747 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,960 You know, we've always been working 748 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,000 here, you know, of course, the valley is 749 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,880 a slowly but surely growing community. 750 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,640 Uh but we've always tried to stay busy 751 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,279 here and like uh like we mentioned 752 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,679 earlier, we've had opportunities to work 753 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:42,799 with numerous uh 754 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,679 agencies here and and and whatnot. So, 755 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,279 you know, we like to keep our people 756 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,120 local. what we always like to say, we 757 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,919 like to make sure we stay at home, not 758 00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,919 driving hours and end in the morning and 759 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:56,559 then driving hours afterwards. So, it'd 760 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,039 be a it'd be a pretty good project to 761 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,919 work on, you know, help out not just our 762 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,320 employees, but also our community with 763 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600 replacing uh 764 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000 possibly leaking, possibly uh damaged 765 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840 lines. So, 766 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,870 >> yeah. 767 00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:12,880 » yeah. 768 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,230 >> All right. Thank you. 769 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:16,240 » All right. Thank you. 770 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,269 >> Thank you. And then next we have Ted 771 00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:19,279 » Thank you. And then next we have Ted 772 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:26,310 Burton. 773 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,480 » Good morning. Uh my name is Ted Burton. 774 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,840 I'm the owner of TBU Inc. Um I've been 775 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,559 doing this kind of work for 37 years and 776 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,720 we have grown enough that we have 777 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,520 branched out and now we're in uh India 778 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,360 and we have a locally based office 10 779 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,919 miles from here. U my job is to keep 780 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:47,440 employees working and uh putting food on 781 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,919 the family's tables. Us being locally 782 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:52,240 based I think is a a huge advantage for 783 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,960 the the district to take in realization 784 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,120 that there are going to be emergencies 785 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,320 on this job and this job is going to run 786 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840 in well over a year. Um we always finish 787 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,000 our projects on time, usually early. Um, 788 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,679 I appreciate the board taking the time 789 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:13,760 to listen to our protest on everything 790 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,559 we did was legit. I mean, we made a few 791 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,640 clerical errors. We're all human. We all 792 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,120 make mistakes, right? I had to hire this 793 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,720 kid because we got busy out here to 794 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,240 start estimating. He's only been doing 795 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240 it for four months. Grabbed the wrong 796 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,039 paper, scanned it the wrong way, you 797 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,600 know, and that's the bottom line, you 798 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,279 know. I mean, we're a legit company. 799 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:34,960 We've been doing this a long time. I put 800 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,000 in miles and miles of pipe. Um, we have 801 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,720 25 based employees out here. I hired 802 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,360 Dave Herrera behind me. He runs our 803 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,000 India office. Um, he's been with me over 804 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,240 10 years. The longevity of the people 805 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320 that work for me shows the character of 806 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,840 how we run our company. And, um, I just 807 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,840 think that 808 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,880 it's going to be very advantageous 809 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,600 for the district to use a local 810 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,399 contractor. This isn't a two month, one 811 00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,159 month job. We know emergencies are going 812 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,240 to come up. You know, we're working in 813 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,600 the streets. It's not like we're working 814 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,679 in fields. We're going to have ponds 815 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,039 with traffic control. People are going 816 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,480 to run over the traffic control. There's 817 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720 going to be calls at night because 818 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,480 somebody ran into a ditch or somebody 819 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760 did something, you know, 820 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600 on characteristic. So, if you look at 821 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,600 that, you know, we're a 10 15 minute 822 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 response compared to depending on 823 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,520 traffic, two, three hour response. Um, 824 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200 so just appreciate you taking the time 825 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760 to listen to us and consider that, you 826 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,799 know, we use a local based sub on a on a 827 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,159 bid that was submitted correctly but 828 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:47,919 incorrectly because of a few 829 00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:49,760 unexperienced 830 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,880 um errors that he made trying to submit 831 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440 the bid. So, thank you for your time. 832 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,350 >> Thank you. 833 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,120 And that was the last speaker card that 834 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,559 I had. 835 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,350 >> Okay. Um, 836 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:05,360 » Okay. Um, 837 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,120 we don't have anybody from the um 838 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,630 other side. Domingus. 839 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960 » I guess I have a question that was 840 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 raised. I still feel like our hands are 841 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640 tied up. 842 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,110 >> Oh, you're right. God, it goes on and 843 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:25,120 » Oh, you're right. God, it goes on and 844 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520 off by itself. 845 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,360 It went back on without touching it. 846 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,559 Good for that. 847 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,070 >> But we did hear um from the first 848 00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:34,080 » But we did hear um from the first 849 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880 presenter, Mr. Anderson, 850 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440 that even though the bid differential is 851 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440 about half a million dollars, the actual 852 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,919 cost differential is more like $1.6 853 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:45,679 million. I don't understand how that's 854 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:46,559 possible. 855 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,549 >> Um perhaps he's referring to the 856 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:48,559 » Um perhaps he's referring to the 857 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,960 engineers estimate. Um for this project, 858 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480 we budgeted 11,930,000. 859 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,559 So, a majority of the bids did come in 860 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,240 significantly lower than what we 861 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,960 originally estimated. Um, and yes, it is 862 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,279 correct. TB's bid is certainly the 863 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,279 lowest. Um, but I think from [snorts] 864 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,440 the staff perspective, the bidding 865 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,039 documents are the first representation 866 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:10,640 of the contractor and if there's this 867 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,880 many inconsistencies, it does raise 868 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200 concerns for the project moving forward. 869 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,200 Um, because this is we have to hold 870 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,440 everyone accountable to the same level. 871 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520 Um, and since we did have a bid protest 872 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,440 that identified the same discrepancies, 873 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,720 in fact, missed a few that even we had 874 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,720 caught, um, I think it does raise some 875 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,320 questions moving forward on the setting 876 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,520 of precedents 877 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,430 >> just because they're the lowest, 878 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:33,440 » just because they're the lowest, 879 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,029 >> right? No, I understand. 880 00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:35,039 » right? No, I understand. 881 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,190 >> But our our hands are not tied, John. 882 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:37,200 » But our our hands are not tied, John. 883 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,120 They're not tied. I mean, it someone has 884 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,029 >> brought this to our attention, which we 885 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:43,039 » brought this to our attention, which we 886 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:44,320 already knew about. 887 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,549 >> It's our prerogative to to um disregard 888 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:48,559 » It's our prerogative to to um disregard 889 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,200 that. Now, we are risking that Dominguez 890 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240 would come back and sue us, but that 891 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,720 would be the power of this board. Uh, 892 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,960 the risk that we take. 893 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,430 >> And if I may, um, [clears throat] 894 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:01,440 » And if I may, um, [clears throat] 895 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,919 the reason that the other protest wasn't 896 00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:05,360 being heard is because we had 897 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,200 recommended that it be mute because we 898 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,360 had already made the same conclusions. 899 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,360 If it's the board wishes to not award 900 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080 the contract uh today or to award it to 901 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,000 the lowest bidder, we would have my 902 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,760 recommendation would be we be that we 903 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,080 come back because the recommendation was 904 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 not to go with TBU. So we'd have to 905 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480 reassess what that recommendation would 906 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,399 be and number two there there would be a 907 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:28,960 need to provide uh Dominguez the right 908 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,799 to to uh speak on their protest because 909 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,880 then at that point it wouldn't be moot. 910 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,200 So uh it' be a number of steps before I 911 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360 would recommend that we just go with the 912 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,799 lowest or do something else completely. 913 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,070 >> I guess I would like to know what um of 914 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:48,080 » I guess I would like to know what um of 915 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,000 all the inconsist inconsistencies with 916 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,919 the bid is Jeff for you to opine uh how 917 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:01,440 they fall into the category of material 918 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,799 deviations from the bid. In other words, 919 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,919 u you know, if they're nonmaterial, then 920 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,919 we could accept the bid, but how are 921 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:13,519 these issues uh material in terms of u 922 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,559 moving forward with this bid? 923 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,110 >> These errors deal with being held to 924 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:19,120 » These errors deal with being held to 925 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440 their bid. And even though it might not 926 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,399 be considered a large part of it by not 927 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:27,039 uh having these documents uh submitted 928 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,279 appropriately, the lowest bidder could 929 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,360 say that they're not legally bound to 930 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,720 their bid because they didn't provide 931 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960 the appropriate acknowledgement, didn't 932 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,039 provide the appropriate certificates. So 933 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,200 what the law says is that if the lowest 934 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760 bidder didn't make these these 935 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,720 representations or submit these written 936 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,320 certifications and they could have 937 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,840 gotten out of their bid because they 938 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,600 didn't because they're not bound to it. 939 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,880 I'm not saying they would do that 940 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,720 obviously, but that's what the law has 941 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,919 concluded that it may be missing an an 942 00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:57,279 acknowledgement, but it's something 943 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,919 that's deemed their bid that they're not 944 00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:01,840 legally held to it and they could have 945 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,120 gotten out of it. And because of that 946 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360 issue of being held to their bid, even 947 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,519 though it might be a document or two, 948 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:10,960 it's an acknowledgement that they're 949 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200 bound to their bid. And the law says 950 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,880 because they're not legally bound to 951 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640 their bid, that would have given them an 952 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720 advantage. I realize that may not be the 953 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,559 case here or that it doesn't make a 954 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,399 whole lot of sense, but from a legal 955 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,720 point of view, being bound to your bid, 956 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,399 if you're not bound to your bid, you can 957 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:27,760 get out of it. And that would have 958 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,440 provided an advantage if the lowest 959 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,679 bidder had decided not to move forward. 960 00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:35,679 So, it's being held to the bid legally, 961 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,919 which is the issue. 962 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,549 >> And yet here they are arguing that 963 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:40,559 » And yet here they are arguing that 964 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,880 they're they want to be held to the bid, 965 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,840 right? 966 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,669 >> Yeah. you know I think material 967 00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:45,679 » Yeah. you know I think material 968 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,950 >> I think what um you know just to provide 969 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:48,960 » I think what um you know just to provide 970 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960 an example because I mean we all look at 971 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120 the bid you know the bids that come in 972 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,919 right and 973 00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:58,880 overall there the next lowest bidder 974 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720 wasn't that much higher compared to some 975 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,519 of the other biders and I would say if 976 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:04,799 you know let's say that the lowest 977 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,120 bidder who may have had some some 978 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200 problems with with their bid being 979 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,520 accepted let's say they come in at 10 980 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,440 million and all the other bids come in 981 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,040 over 20. 982 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,389 >> I mean, that would give them an 983 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:16,399 » I mean, that would give them an 984 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,240 opportunity to look at and go, "Wow, did 985 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,560 we miss something?" Right? I mean, is 986 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,280 there is there maybe this is not good 987 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,760 for us and we wouldn't be able to hold 988 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800 them to that $10 million, which in that 989 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,879 example would be too low uh because uh 990 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:35,119 because they would have these material 991 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,919 or, you know, clerical errors that give 992 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,000 them legally the ability to back out of 993 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 it. I mean, it gives them a second look 994 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,679 or a second bite at the apple that I 995 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,119 think that Jeff's trying to 996 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:45,909 >> Yes, exactly. 997 00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:45,919 » Yes, exactly. 998 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,149 >> trying to The fact that these other bids 999 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:48,159 » trying to The fact that these other bids 1000 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,879 were not that much higher, you know, 5% 1001 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:52,639 or or whatever, 1002 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,790 >> um, makes that makes this example seem 1003 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:56,800 » um, makes that makes this example seem 1004 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560 maybe a little less clear-cut. 1005 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,030 >> Um, 1006 00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:03,040 » Um, 1007 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,720 I just feel that it's not very material. 1008 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,390 >> I feel the same. It's not it's it's it's 1009 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:08,400 » I feel the same. It's not it's it's it's 1010 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,320 a minor thing and and we're and I 1011 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,040 understand but I do think that 1012 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,520 we we have some some uh we can we can we 1013 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,400 can pivot. I think we can under under 1014 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,560 our authorization. 1015 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,160 I don't think it's as clearcut. This is 1016 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,200 a very m immaterial thing. 1017 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,550 >> Hey John, can I ask a question? 1018 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:30,560 » Hey John, can I ask a question? 1019 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,230 >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead John. 1020 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:32,240 » Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead John. 1021 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,349 >> Can you hear me? Okay. 1022 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:33,359 » Can you hear me? Okay. 1023 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:34,230 >> Yes. 1024 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:34,240 » Yes. 1025 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,910 >> Hey, I'm just curious just as a matter 1026 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:35,920 » Hey, I'm just curious just as a matter 1027 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,760 of information. I know it's not going to 1028 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,720 be a decisive uh matter, but I'm just 1029 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,680 curious about the the differences 1030 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,000 between the two firms 1031 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,720 and um whether or not they have any um 1032 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,280 disadvantaged business enterprises. I 1033 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,200 noticed that in I think in the staff 1034 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,560 report I read that Dominguez does not, 1035 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,359 but I'm curious about TBU. Can staff 1036 00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,040 answer that? 1037 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,589 >> Um I believe that both Dominguez and TBU 1038 00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:05,599 » Um I believe that both Dominguez and TBU 1039 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,160 did. I don't know if TBU Yeah, we 1040 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,079 attached the the form um for Dominguez 1041 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,079 in the bid package. It did identify that 1042 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,079 they they are DB and they attached their 1043 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,555 certificates as well. 1044 00:36:18,555 --> 00:36:19,599 [snorts] 1045 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,910 >> I'm sorry, that was for Dominguez. 1046 00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:21,920 » I'm sorry, that was for Dominguez. 1047 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,710 >> Yeah, Dominguez specifically and and TBU 1048 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:24,720 » Yeah, Dominguez specifically and and TBU 1049 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,400 and the audience confirmed that they 1050 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,760 have it as well. 1051 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,790 >> So, they both do, 1052 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:28,800 » So, they both do, 1053 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,069 >> correct? 1054 00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:30,079 » correct? 1055 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,990 >> Okay, great. Thank you. Then I have just 1056 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:32,000 » Okay, great. Thank you. Then I have just 1057 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,040 one one other minor question, John. If 1058 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200 if the board decides to go forward with 1059 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,000 the with um with Dominguez, 1060 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,560 um it seems awkward that we would 1061 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,160 u award a contract or somebody and then 1062 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960 um and then deal with their their 1063 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,400 protest. Wouldn't it be easier for them 1064 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040 just to withdraw their protest if 1065 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,000 they're awarded the bid? 1066 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,839 That's what the recommendation is is 1067 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:04,320 that the bid protest would be moot if we 1068 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,560 award it to Domingus, 1069 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,829 >> right? 1070 00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:07,839 » right? 1071 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:08,960 But if we're going 1072 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,349 >> in any event, I agree if if if we're not 1073 00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:11,359 » in any event, I agree if if if we're not 1074 00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,440 going to award this to Domingus today 1075 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520 that especially based on the public 1076 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,320 comment that was critical of Domingus 1077 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,320 and the fact that we've already 1078 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,320 published that their bid protest was 1079 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,400 moot. We need to give them a chance to 1080 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,920 come in and talk to us. 1081 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,950 >> Correct. 1082 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:30,960 » Correct. 1083 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,589 >> Yeah. I mean, we can't do this today. 1084 00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:33,599 » Yeah. I mean, we can't do this today. 1085 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,599 Mhm. 1086 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:36,630 >> Um, so, 1087 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:36,640 » Um, so, 1088 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,390 >> you know, I'd like to hear, you know, 1089 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:38,400 » you know, I'd like to hear, you know, 1090 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,920 how how bad they are because we heard 1091 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,760 today that they're pretty bad and I 1092 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,359 don't think that they may not be true, 1093 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:46,720 you know. 1094 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,710 >> So, the recommendation could be to table 1095 00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:48,720 » So, the recommendation could be to table 1096 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,119 this item to the next board [snorts] 1097 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,240 meeting or to a to the next board 1098 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,560 meeting that is practical 1099 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,480 uh to hear the protests of the second 1100 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,520 lowest bidder. 1101 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,800 I didn't I didn't hear that they were 1102 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,599 bad. 1103 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:04,950 >> Well, that they would their response 1104 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:04,960 » Well, that they would their response 1105 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,160 time would be um significantly longer. 1106 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,230 >> I think that that was just a 1107 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:10,240 » I think that that was just a 1108 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,150 >> I think that's a projection. They they 1109 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:12,160 » I think that's a projection. They they 1110 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,800 do not um they're not based out of here. 1111 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,480 Um they're I believe that they're based 1112 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,680 out of Orange County. Um and so TBDU was 1113 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,359 projecting that they wouldn't be as 1114 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:22,640 responsive because they're not based out 1115 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:22,880 of 1116 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,990 >> Well, I understand that, but I think 1117 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:24,000 » Well, I understand that, but I think 1118 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,599 they would have they should have an 1119 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,800 opportunity to tell us what their 1120 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,760 strengths are, too. So by having 1121 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,589 >> it's not a fair fight if one's here and 1122 00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:31,599 » it's not a fair fight if one's here and 1123 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:32,640 the other one's not. 1124 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,030 >> So by having this item table to the next 1125 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:35,040 » So by having this item table to the next 1126 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,800 meeting or the next available meeting 1127 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040 then we're not you're not considering 1128 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,280 the protest of the second lowest better 1129 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,040 moot. In fact you want to hear that 1130 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,079 protest before you make a decision. 1131 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,550 >> So let me interject here for a moment. 1132 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:48,560 » So let me interject here for a moment. 1133 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,839 Um this was an IFB an invitation for 1134 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:56,160 bids. It's not a request for proposals. 1135 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,800 So technically we're not able to engage 1136 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,040 in conversations 1137 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,560 um with the biders to allow them the 1138 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,240 opportunity to expand upon um what it is 1139 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,359 they submitted. An IFB an invitation for 1140 00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,359 bids is based solely on the submittal 1141 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:18,480 process. So if we allow Dominguez to 1142 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,400 come in and explain their position, 1143 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,160 you're kind of opening the door for 1144 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,920 everybody that participated in 1145 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,720 responding to do the same thing. And 1146 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,480 that's not what the process is intended 1147 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,720 to provide. Different for an RFP where 1148 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,160 you basically are soliciting uh a 1149 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,440 proposal and then there are 1150 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920 circumstances where you can engage with 1151 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,720 the proposers to clarify their bids. 1152 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,680 That's not true with the process that we 1153 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,320 used here. So, I'm I'm just providing 1154 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680 some cautionary advice that, you know, 1155 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,040 we're saying we're going to allow 1156 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,720 Dominguez to come in and explain 1157 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,440 themselves when 1158 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,310 >> that's not necessarily. So in in in 1159 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:00,320 » that's not necessarily. So in in in 1160 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,440 response to that, Jim, I I would say if 1161 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,599 the uh if we do this and Dominguez comes 1162 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,800 in that they should stick strictly to 1163 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,760 the issues of whether the 1164 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,790 >> um uh deviations are material or not 1165 00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:16,800 » um uh deviations are material or not 1166 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,200 material and 1167 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,920 yeah so so a couple things. One is there 1168 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,079 was a deadline for any bidder to submit 1169 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,160 a bid protest and that's expired. So 1170 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,839 this wouldn't be reopening to all the 1171 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:30,640 other vendors to come in. Number two, uh 1172 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,119 and this happens a lot is there's a bid 1173 00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,640 protest or two, the people who represent 1174 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960 those contractors can come and speak to 1175 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,599 the protest to Director Nelson's point, 1176 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,480 not to the response times or the quality 1177 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,599 of work or anything like that. So it's 1178 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,320 up to this board to award the contract. 1179 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,560 If there are protests, you have the 1180 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,800 right to consider those protests based 1181 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,960 on what those protests are in terms of 1182 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,920 the materiality or whatever they want to 1183 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,000 state say in their protest when they 1184 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160 come to present. It's it's not reopening 1185 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,040 the bid or talking about response times 1186 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,599 or history of the contractors. It's 1187 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,750 speaking to the protest. 1188 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520 » I just think we owe it to the rateayers 1189 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,160 to save the $600,000 and to use a local 1190 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,800 company. I just I think it that it's not 1191 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,960 material. So if this was a material 1192 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,440 thing, we've seen this before where 1193 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,119 we've had to go lower, but there were 1194 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,079 some big problems with the bid. Okay, 1195 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,280 big problems. This is a scanning issue. 1196 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,240 This is a few little some paperwork. So 1197 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,230 >> if I can clarify, it's not simply a 1198 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:38,240 » if I can clarify, it's not simply a 1199 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,319 scanning issue. There were multiple 1200 00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,000 discrepancies with the bid, including 1201 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,760 the bid information forms not being 1202 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319 completed. The nonclusion affidavit was 1203 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:50,079 signed by um the estimator, but the not 1204 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,240 notorized form was for a different 1205 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,079 person on two completely different 1206 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,960 dates. So, as we delve into it, and we 1207 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,400 didn't list every single thing that was 1208 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,319 wrong with the bid, but this isn't one 1209 00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:03,440 administrative issue. It's a bid that 1210 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,280 wasn't completed correctly, and I think 1211 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,079 TBU acknowledged that today in that, 1212 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,480 yeah, it it it's not clean, it's not 1213 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,119 tight, and we had a bid protest. And so 1214 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,520 to look past this and say, "Well, we're 1215 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,880 just going to award it based on the 1216 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,359 lowest fee," I really do think that's 1217 00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:20,800 going to set a bad precedence for us 1218 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,720 moving forward when there's other biders 1219 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:23,760 that are going to have the same 1220 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,760 situation presumably moving forward. 1221 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,319 This is not normal for us. We do not see 1222 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:30,079 this on our bids, particularly the 1223 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,560 lowest bid, and that's where our 1224 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,480 recommendation comes from. Um, and 1225 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,880 that's why we consulted with BBK even 1226 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,240 before we received the bid protest. 1227 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,150 >> Okay. Thanks for that. and and I you 1228 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:42,160 » Okay. Thanks for that. and and I you 1229 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,720 know 1230 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,400 Dominguez is going to have a pretty 1231 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,119 strong case I think 1232 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,760 because because we have a process that 1233 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,440 we've identified and and they followed 1234 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,960 it and the other ones didn't 1235 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,760 you know 1236 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,670 >> have we used Domingus before? 1237 00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:59,680 » have we used Domingus before? 1238 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,750 >> We have not um other agencies um 1239 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:03,760 » We have not um other agencies um 1240 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,160 Eastern's worked with them but not 1241 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,910 >> and we haven't used TBU before either. 1242 00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:07,920 » and we haven't used TBU before either. 1243 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,520 Um I don't believe directly but I 1244 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,280 believe they do developer work if I'm 1245 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,280 not mistaken. 1246 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,750 >> I think they're doing all the patina. 1247 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,480 » Yeah. 1248 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,550 >> Well, all right. Is there's I guess two 1249 00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:22,560 » Well, all right. Is there's I guess two 1250 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,119 different directions we can go here. One 1251 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,839 is we can take action 1252 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:32,160 and two is we can table it for a next 1253 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,359 for a future meeting. 1254 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,750 >> From a from my point of view as as legal 1255 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:35,760 » From a from my point of view as as legal 1256 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,200 counsel I think you have two options. 1257 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440 One is to award the contract to 1258 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,200 Dominguez or two to table the matter to 1259 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,720 bring it back for Dominguez to speak to 1260 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,720 their bid protest which is also in your 1261 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,069 packet 1262 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,790 » making a table. 1263 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,839 » So if Dominguez comes in they really 1264 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:01,920 can't say more than what they've said in 1265 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,760 their letter and you've already got the 1266 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,640 letter right. I think they can address 1267 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,280 the items that were brought up today. 1268 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,839 Couldn't they do that? 1269 00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,670 >> That those are not that deals with No, 1270 00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:15,680 » That those are not that deals with No, 1271 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,839 because the the protest is whether or 1272 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:20,240 not the bid was submitted under the law 1273 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,040 correctly. So they they can get up and 1274 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,880 speak about response times, but that's 1275 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,400 not something from a legal point of view 1276 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,760 that the board can take into 1277 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,200 consideration. It's whether or not 1278 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,520 there's a valid bid protest. And if you 1279 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,359 want to hear from the protester who was 1280 00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:35,839 the second lowest bid, then you have a 1281 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:37,119 right to do that obviously. 1282 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,870 >> Could could we hear more from you like 1283 00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:38,880 » Could could we hear more from you like 1284 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,520 in close session from other from um your 1285 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,760 other colleagues regarding this protest 1286 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,560 letter to the fact of the material 1287 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,400 deviation and getting more into that 1288 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,920 conversation? 1289 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,589 >> That was going to be my recommendation 1290 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:51,599 » That was going to be my recommendation 1291 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,119 at some point as well. 1292 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,710 >> Jeeoff, doesn't this get into 1293 00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:54,720 » Jeeoff, doesn't this get into 1294 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,680 responsiveness versus responsibility? 1295 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,109 >> Exactly. If you start going to 1296 00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:59,119 » Exactly. If you start going to 1297 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,440 responsibility, which are the issues 1298 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,599 that you're now asking Dominguez to come 1299 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,640 in and address, that's a whole process 1300 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,480 in itself, a whole different legal 1301 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,400 process. And that requires a public 1302 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,319 hearing and that requires um it's a very 1303 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,800 len it can be a very lengthy process. 1304 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,829 >> Well, and so there's two things. 1305 00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:19,839 » Well, and so there's two things. 1306 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,680 Responsiveness. 1307 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,160 Did you submit a bid that is responsive 1308 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,920 to all the requirements? 1309 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,240 what we're considering here that all the 1310 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,359 items were not submitted in complete 1311 00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:32,880 responsiveness to the bid, 1312 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,349 >> right? 1313 00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:33,359 » right? 1314 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:35,349 >> And responsible is if we think the 1315 00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:35,359 » And responsible is if we think the 1316 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,520 lowest bidder can't do the job, right? 1317 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,870 >> We're kind of in the middle here. It's 1318 00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:38,880 » We're kind of in the middle here. It's 1319 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,400 not that we're saying that they can't 1320 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,880 ultimately do the job, but we're saying 1321 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,960 it's not responsive, but they have 1322 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440 spoken to issues of how they would be a 1323 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,800 better contractor, which they certainly 1324 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,240 have a right to speak to, but it's not 1325 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,160 something you can legally decide on. 1326 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,750 >> Right. Right. So, that's why We are 1327 00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:55,760 » Right. Right. So, that's why We are 1328 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,000 addressing responsiveness. 1329 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,160 I 1330 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,030 >> I get it. And so the staff and the 1331 00:46:01,030 --> 00:46:01,040 » I get it. And so the staff and the 1332 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,640 protests both identified the 1333 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,359 nonresponsive 1334 00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:07,910 >> bid of TBU and I don't think that that 1335 00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:07,920 » bid of TBU and I don't think that that 1336 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,800 has been um argued today, 1337 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,750 >> right? And 1338 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:11,760 » right? And 1339 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,870 >> I think everyone agrees it was 1340 00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:12,880 » I think everyone agrees it was 1341 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880 non-responsive. So what so 1342 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,790 >> so what are we doing here? 1343 00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:16,800 » so what are we doing here? 1344 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,829 >> Well, exactly. Why? Then we need to go 1345 00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:19,839 » Well, exactly. Why? Then we need to go 1346 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:22,240 with staff recommendation because staff 1347 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,760 is saying the bid was nonresponsive 1348 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,319 and we are saying that we are 1349 00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,240 recommending to go with the second low 1350 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,920 bid. 1351 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,309 >> Right. 1352 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,240 » Again I want to remind everybody this is 1353 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,160 Sun City Palm Desert. This is an 1354 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,280 extremely important project. We are so 1355 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,720 fortunate that we got bids at the at the 1356 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,400 price that we got, right? 1357 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,230 >> Because we were expecting bids to come 1358 00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:50,240 » Because we were expecting bids to come 1359 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,359 in around 14 or 15 million. We're at 10 1360 00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:54,160 million. 1361 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,829 >> Yeah. Yeah. So So, and some did come in 1362 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:57,839 » Yeah. Yeah. So So, and some did come in 1363 00:46:57,839 --> 00:46:58,560 higher, 1364 00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:58,950 >> right? 1365 00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:58,960 » right? 1366 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,109 >> Yeah. So, uh, we have a motion to table. 1367 00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:03,119 » Yeah. So, uh, we have a motion to table. 1368 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,920 We do not have a second on that motion 1369 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,309 yet that I've heard. 1370 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,599 I I still wanted to hear more about I 1371 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,280 get your staff's recommendation. You've 1372 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,760 made a determination that um it's 1373 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,240 nonresponsive, 1374 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,240 but I'm I'm I'm still trying to figure 1375 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,480 out more the material versus immaterial. 1376 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,000 like what would be a an example of uh 1377 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,599 something that as staff you would be 1378 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,200 able to say, you know, we can kind of um 1379 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,390 >> an immaterial deviation. 1380 00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:36,400 » an immaterial deviation. 1381 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,150 >> Um 1382 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:38,160 » Um 1383 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,829 >> putting something on the wrong line, but 1384 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:39,839 » putting something on the wrong line, but 1385 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:41,280 the information is still there. 1386 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,480 Something like that. Right 1387 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,069 >> here, the information wasn't there. 1388 00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:44,079 » here, the information wasn't there. 1389 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:44,800 That's the difference. 1390 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,430 >> And signatures were different. 1391 00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:47,440 » And signatures were different. 1392 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,760 signatures on a notary versus the page 1393 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,079 that they were notorizing. 1394 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,390 >> Is immaterial immaterial 1395 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,359 go beyond the bid amounts that are that 1396 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:03,119 are on the bid form or is it or is it 1397 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,200 more so does it put attention on the 1398 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,359 actual bid items so that you 1399 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:08,390 >> material? 1400 00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:08,400 » material? 1401 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,390 >> Yeah. Like what 1402 00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:10,400 » Yeah. Like what 1403 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,630 >> it's the items that we've that we've 1404 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:12,640 » it's the items that we've that we've 1405 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,480 explained here. I mean it doesn't have 1406 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,000 anything to do with the numbers or the 1407 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,680 bid because those those um 1408 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,200 uh we didn't have an issue. So for 1409 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,440 example, the certificates for the fleet 1410 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,839 that the letter seems to have then kind 1411 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:29,359 of provided instead of well here's the 1412 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:30,720 searchs, 1413 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:31,190 >> right? 1414 00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:31,200 » right? 1415 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,790 >> You're you're considering that to be 1416 00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:32,800 » You're you're considering that to be 1417 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,359 material, 1418 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,190 >> right? Because that is a specification 1419 00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:35,200 » right? Because that is a specification 1420 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,440 requirement. That is a bid requirement. 1421 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,839 You submit these forms 1422 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,680 with the bid. 1423 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,589 >> I think too if we start allowing people 1424 00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:43,599 » I think too if we start allowing people 1425 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,160 to submit these documents post bid, at 1426 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,160 what point does that stop? Because what 1427 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,319 now to your point what's material versus 1428 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:53,040 immaterial? The bid was not complete. 1429 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,440 TBU acknowledges that. We have a bid 1430 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,280 protest that outlines everything that 1431 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,640 was incomplete. We have our own 1432 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,640 independent review that was reviewed by 1433 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,040 BBK that also acknowledges how 1434 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,839 incomplete it was. It's not one item 1435 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:07,680 that's a material immaterial deviation 1436 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,079 to your question, right? What is an 1437 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,319 often it's one item. We've seen that 1438 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:13,680 where it's been 1439 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,030 >> maybe a date. I think there was one 1440 00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:15,040 » maybe a date. I think there was one 1441 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,640 where it was supposed to be the 29th. It 1442 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,880 was the 27th. That was an administrative 1443 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,160 error. 1444 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,520 This is not. 1445 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,430 >> And to Jim's point, when you have a 1446 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:25,440 » And to Jim's point, when you have a 1447 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,920 request for bid like this, a public bid, 1448 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,559 we don't have discretion. 1449 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,000 You either meet the contract 1450 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,559 requirements or you don't. Versus with 1451 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,040 an RFP, that's where you have the 1452 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,800 ability to have some discretion and to 1453 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,079 negotiate. But if you start saying, "Oh, 1454 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,240 well, we'll let those certificates slide 1455 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,559 on this one." Well, that's being 1456 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,920 discreet. That's having discretion. 1457 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,119 And and then to Sabrina's point, what do 1458 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,280 we do the next time? We have to, you 1459 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,680 know, it's it's this moving target all 1460 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,160 the time. With bids, there's no moving 1461 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520 target. It is what it is. It's per the 1462 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,794 specifications. It's a public bid. 1463 00:50:07,794 --> 00:50:08,960 [laughter] Either they submit the 1464 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,910 documents properly or they don't. 1465 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,079 Well, 1466 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,829 >> I think it's fair to say it's not just a 1467 00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:15,839 » I think it's fair to say it's not just a 1468 00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:19,200 scanning issue. Correct. 1469 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,990 >> So, u we have a motion. At what point 1470 00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:22,000 » So, u we have a motion. At what point 1471 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,839 does the motion die for lack of a 1472 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:24,720 second? 1473 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,630 >> I'll second. We've never had this happen 1474 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:26,640 » I'll second. We've never had this happen 1475 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,359 before. All right. We have a second. So, 1476 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,839 the motion is to table this item. One 1477 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:35,440 one other question I have timing wise. 1478 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,280 If let's say it sounds like we may have 1479 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,319 um potential litigation here. Maybe this 1480 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,440 is something that we can help we can get 1481 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920 more explanation for in close session. 1482 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,790 >> Yeah, exactly. 1483 00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:48,800 » Yeah, exactly. 1484 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,230 >> I mean, if we do that, that would be at 1485 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:50,240 » I mean, if we do that, that would be at 1486 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,640 the next meeting, which would be take us 1487 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,200 to the first meeting in February for for 1488 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,880 further action. 1489 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,230 >> We open bids October 2nd, I believe. 1490 00:51:00,230 --> 00:51:00,240 » We open bids October 2nd, I believe. 1491 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,069 >> So, at what point do these bids expire? 1492 00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:02,079 » So, at what point do these bids expire? 1493 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,150 >> Uh, November 20th, 1494 00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:04,160 » Uh, November 20th, 1495 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,390 >> 60 days next week. 1496 00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:06,400 » 60 days next week. 1497 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,470 >> So, these bids will expire. Mhm. 1498 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:08,480 » So, these bids will expire. Mhm. 1499 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,710 >> So either we take action today or or the 1500 00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:10,720 » So either we take action today or or the 1501 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,000 whole thing just 1502 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,309 >> goes. 1503 00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:12,319 » goes. 1504 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:13,990 >> Well, we can go back and ask the 1505 00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:14,000 » Well, we can go back and ask the 1506 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,839 contractors to extend their bids, but 1507 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,240 that's a market risk. 1508 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,910 >> We don't know how we don't know what 1509 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,920 » We don't know how we don't know what 1510 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,760 their subcontractors are facing as far 1511 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,359 as material prices or 1512 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:26,630 >> if if we vote if we vote and the and the 1513 00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:26,640 » if if we vote if we vote and the and the 1514 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,960 vote fails to table, can we take further 1515 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,640 action and approve the stack 1516 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,599 recommendation today? 1517 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:32,710 >> Yes. Yes, of course. 1518 00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:32,720 » Yes. Yes, of course. 1519 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,390 >> All right. 1520 00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:34,400 » All right. 1521 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,920 and a close session uh to explain 1522 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,960 in graphic detail what the legal 1523 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,359 implications would be in this 1524 00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:47,040 recommendation of not going with the 1525 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,599 with the with the recommended 1526 00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,920 contractor. We could certainly do that 1527 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,920 before any action taken by the board. 1528 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,880 But I mean it's as I said before that I 1529 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,559 think it's been well explained what the 1530 00:51:58,559 --> 00:51:59,920 legal exposure would be. 1531 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:04,630 >> Right. I think it's significant. 1532 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,920 So, you've got a motion and a second to 1533 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,240 table. 1534 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,990 >> All right. So, are we ready for a roll 1535 00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:08,000 » All right. So, are we ready for a roll 1536 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,520 call vote? 1537 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,069 >> The action would be to mot the item in 1538 00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:12,079 » The action would be to mot the item in 1539 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,240 order to then consider the second lowest 1540 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,480 biders protest at the better future 1541 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,800 meeting. 1542 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,790 >> Are you okay to vote, John? On on the 1543 00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:18,800 » Are you okay to vote, John? On on the 1544 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,240 line. 1545 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:20,870 >> Yes. 1546 00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:20,880 » Yes. 1547 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,150 >> All right. All right. Let's go to the 1548 00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:22,160 » All right. All right. Let's go to the 1549 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,359 roll call vote then, please. 1550 00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:24,230 >> President Pal, 1551 00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:24,240 » President Pal, 1552 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,430 >> no. 1553 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:25,440 » no. 1554 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,790 >> Vice President Estrada? 1555 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:26,800 » Vice President Estrada? 1556 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,829 >> Yes. 1557 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,839 » Yes. 1558 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,270 >> Director Biano? 1559 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:29,280 » Director Biano? 1560 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,630 >> Yes. 1561 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:30,640 » Yes. 1562 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,390 >> Director Aguilar? 1563 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:32,400 » Director Aguilar? 1564 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,440 No 1565 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,470 >> director Nelson. 1566 00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:34,480 » director Nelson. 1567 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,270 >> No. 1568 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:35,280 » No. 1569 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,230 >> Okay. Motion failed. 1570 00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:36,240 » Okay. Motion failed. 1571 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,790 >> Okay. So, the motion failed 1572 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:38,800 » Okay. So, the motion failed 1573 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,079 and I'm going to move that we accept 1574 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,079 staff recommendation on this item. 1575 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,150 >> I would second that. 1576 00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:48,160 » I would second that. 1577 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,910 >> Okay. 1578 00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:49,920 » Okay. 1579 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,069 Any other discussion? 1580 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,760 Uh, roll call, please. 1581 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,630 >> President Pal. 1582 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:56,640 » President Pal. 1583 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,030 >> I. 1584 00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:57,040 » I. 1585 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,230 >> Vice President Estrada. 1586 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:58,240 » Vice President Estrada. 1587 00:52:58,240 --> 00:52:59,030 >> No. 1588 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:59,040 » No. 1589 00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,990 >> Director Biano. 1590 00:52:59,990 --> 00:53:00,000 » Director Biano. 1591 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,230 >> No. Director Aguular. 1592 00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:02,240 » No. Director Aguular. 1593 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:02,710 >> Yes. 1594 00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:02,720 » Yes. 1595 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:03,829 >> And Director Nelson. 1596 00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:03,839 » And Director Nelson. 1597 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:04,309 >> Hi. 1598 00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:04,319 » Hi. 1599 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:05,430 >> Thank you. 32. 1600 00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:05,440 » Thank you. 32. 1601 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,950 >> Pass. 32. 1602 00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:06,960 » Pass. 32. 1603 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,349 >> The rare split vote. 1604 00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:09,359 » The rare split vote. 1605 00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,670 >> I I I don't like that, but it is what it 1606 00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:11,680 » I I I don't like that, but it is what it 1607 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,880 is. 1608 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,750 >> Well, that's uh I appreciate the 1609 00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:15,760 » Well, that's uh I appreciate the 1610 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,599 contractors being here locally. 1611 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,349 >> So, thank you for your interest, and I 1612 00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:19,359 » So, thank you for your interest, and I 1613 00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:22,000 hope that you continue to [snorts] 1614 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,190 >> submit bids. 1615 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:23,200 » submit bids. 1616 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,510 >> Yeah. 1617 00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:23,520 » Yeah. 1618 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:23,990 >> Thank you. 1619 00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:24,000 » Thank you. 1620 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,510 >> Thanks for coming in. 1621 00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:27,520 » Thanks for coming in. 1622 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,390 All 1623 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,390 right. Where are we? The 1624 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,359 » This is the uh Kora Constructors, 1625 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:42,240 Armando 8. Good morning. 1626 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,829 >> Good morning, President Pow, members of 1627 00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:43,839 » Good morning, President Pow, members of 1628 00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,319 the board, audience, and fellow staff. 1629 00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:48,079 Uh my name for the record is Armando 1630 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,440 Rodriguez with the engineering 1631 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,839 department. Uh the purpose of this borch 1632 00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:53,599 action item is to award a construction 1633 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:56,079 contract to core constructors as the 1634 00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,520 lowest responsible and responsive bid. I 1635 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,280 got nervous saying that right now. 1636 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,870 >> Yeah, those words matter. 1637 00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:02,880 » Yeah, those words matter. 1638 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,270 >> Yes. Amount of 1,949,949 1639 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,280 by authorizing general manager to secure 1640 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,200 a contract for the construction of the 1641 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,280 station 5512 1642 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,240 um and lift station 8107 1643 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,760 upgrade project specifications 2024-12. 1644 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,559 We're also seeking soft cost um needed 1645 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,880 during the construction um and for CD 1646 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,599 project management 30 about 30,000 1647 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,119 engineering support services during 1648 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,079 construction about 127,000 and then so 1649 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,720 compaction testing with RMA group of 1650 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,359 about 20,000 and then we also had to pay 1651 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,040 for our ongoing inspection of the 1652 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,359 project of about 115,000. So the total 1653 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,680 request or in a contingency of about 1654 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,800 98,000. Uh so the total request today is 1655 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,910 $2,33644. 1656 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,160 Um what are we doing here? What what is 1657 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,680 it that we're trying to do with lift 1658 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,839 station 5512 which is right next to the 1659 00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,240 Home Depot at Jefferson Highway 111. And 1660 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:03,440 also what are we doing here with lift 1661 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,880 station 8107 which is above Avenue 402nd 1662 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,920 just south of Shadow Hills uh Golf Club. 1663 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,240 Well, we we need reinvestment uh of 1664 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,640 these two lift stations. Uh some of the 1665 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,200 order control and the liner are 1666 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,599 dilapitated. They're not actually 1667 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,920 functioning. And so we have to reinvest. 1668 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,760 These are infrastructure. These two 1669 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,280 infrastructure are more than 16 years 1670 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,440 old. And so we just need to be able to 1671 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,480 reestablish uh the resilency and 1672 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,880 reliability of both the um chemical 1673 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,240 order treatment and the wet well. The 1674 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,480 great thing as we do this uh we have an 1675 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,000 opportunity here to move away from 1676 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,599 chemical odor control. Um there is a 1677 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,200 better process more efficient process 1678 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,880 and that is to do biological treatment 1679 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,040 control and I think this is a great 1680 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,040 opportunity now that it has dilapitated 1681 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520 and it's aged out it's time to improve 1682 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,440 it. Um the project was duly advertised 1683 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,640 on November 18th uh through planet bids. 1684 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,079 The junior's estimate was 2.1 million. 1685 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,119 And on December 18th 1686 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,680 uh we received a total of four bids 1687 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,319 ranging of 1.9 million to about 2.9 1688 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,240 million. There's about a million dollar 1689 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,440 spread on those four bids. Uh stuff has 1690 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,440 staff has reviewed uh the lowest bidder 1691 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,200 core constructions. We have looked at 1692 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,119 their bid amount. Uh we found no 1693 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,599 material mistakes. Um or and uh so we're 1694 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,680 therefore recommending the construction 1695 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,240 to contract to core construction in that 1696 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:40,069 amount of $1,949. 1697 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,599 Um the project um it is budgeted within 1698 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,079 sanitation fiscal year budget of $2.1 1699 00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,079 million using PGO funding. We estimate 1700 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,920 that about 1.2 2 million will be spent 1701 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,400 this year and then the rest the other 1702 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,720 1.2 million will be spent uh for next 1703 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,119 fiscal year budget for next fiscal year. 1704 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,119 I'll pause here to see if there's any 1705 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:02,480 questions associated with this project 1706 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,720 that I might might answer. 1707 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,950 >> Thank you. 1708 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,640 » Make a motion to approve u another local 1709 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,839 contractor. 1710 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:16,870 >> Local contractor. Yes. 1711 00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:16,880 » Local contractor. Yes. 1712 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,829 >> Yeah. So, uh, happy one made it through. 1713 00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:19,839 » Yeah. So, uh, happy one made it through. 1714 00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:21,839 But, uh, yeah, they're they're great to 1715 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:23,760 work with. Um, 1716 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,440 good good presentation. 1717 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,950 >> Thank you. 1718 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,280 » Yes, 1719 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,030 >> that was a motion to approve. Is there a 1720 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:31,040 » that was a motion to approve. Is there a 1721 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,160 second? 1722 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,430 >> I'll second. 1723 00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:33,440 » I'll second. 1724 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,270 >> Second. Any discussion? 1725 00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:37,280 » Second. Any discussion? 1726 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,599 All of Oh, roll call, please. 1727 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,270 >> President Pal. 1728 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:41,280 » President Pal. 1729 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,829 >> I. 1730 00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:41,839 » I. 1731 00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:43,030 >> Vice President Estrada. 1732 00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:43,040 » Vice President Estrada. 1733 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:43,510 >> Yes. 1734 00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:43,520 » Yes. 1735 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,390 >> Director Biano. 1736 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:44,400 » Director Biano. 1737 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,789 >> Hi. 1738 00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:44,799 » Hi. 1739 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,230 >> Director Ailar. 1740 00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:46,240 » Director Ailar. 1741 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,750 >> Yes. [snorts] and director Nelson. 1742 00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:47,760 » Yes. [snorts] and director Nelson. 1743 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,150 >> Hi. 1744 00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:48,160 » Hi. 1745 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,670 >> Thank you. 50. 1746 00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:49,680 » Thank you. 50. 1747 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,549 >> That's 50. Thanks, Armando. On 8C, I 1748 00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:52,559 » That's 50. Thanks, Armando. On 8C, I 1749 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,520 have a a financial interest in this item 1750 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,440 and we'll be recusing and leaving the 1751 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,079 room. So, Vice President Estrada, it's 1752 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,040 all yours. 1753 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,990 >> All right. Interesting project. 1754 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:04,000 » All right. Interesting project. 1755 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,270 >> Yes. Good morning, um, President Pal, 1756 00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:07,280 » Yes. Good morning, um, President Pal, 1757 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,760 members of the board. Um, this morning, 1758 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,440 I'm requesting the board's approval of 1759 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,440 the water supply assessment for the 1760 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,789 ranch at Madison project. 1761 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:21,599 Here's a map of do uh project location. 1762 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,599 It is located 1763 00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,480 um on Monroe Street and Jackson from 1764 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760 west to east and between avenues 52nd 1765 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,440 and 54th north to south. Um the project 1766 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,119 comprises 1767 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,960 actually let me see here's the project 1768 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,760 plan and this is a very conceptual plan 1769 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,079 here that's proposing 85 uh residential 1770 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,280 units of low density and medium density. 1771 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,240 Uh a private short golf course and a 1772 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,480 clubhouse that will feature dining 1773 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,480 facilities and spaces for events and 1774 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,720 various sports and leisure amenities. Um 1775 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,079 and the breakdown are shown here. Um 1776 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,640 residential building areas comprised of 1777 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,359 44,73 1778 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,200 uh square feet 1779 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,910 >> acres 1780 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:11,920 » acres 1781 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,040 173.8 8 acres, not square feet. 1782 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,190 >> Oh, um, yeah, I was mentioning the 1783 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:17,200 » Oh, um, yeah, I was mentioning the 1784 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,000 non-residential building area, the 44,00 1785 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,470 >> Okay. 1786 00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:20,480 » Okay. 1787 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,549 >> Uh, 73 square ft and land areas of 1788 00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:24,559 » Uh, 73 square ft and land areas of 1789 00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,839 course is about 174 acres. 1790 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:32,160 Uh, projected total demand of this 1791 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,880 project is 66 about 669 acre feet per 1792 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,079 year. That's equivalent to 3.84 acre 1793 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,440 feet per acre. Um indoor residential 1794 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,200 demand is 10.47 acre feet per year in 1795 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,440 the indoor commercial and industrial 1796 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,000 demand is 18.42 1797 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,680 acre feet per year and the outdoor 1798 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,960 irrigation demand is 31.93 1799 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,440 acre feet per year. The outdoor 1800 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,079 recreation demand is 607.85 1801 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:05,760 acre feet per year and that's the bulk 1802 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,640 of the uh projected water demand of the 1803 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,119 project. 1804 01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,359 Um with that I would stop here for any 1805 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:15,040 questions or comments. 1806 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,109 >> Is the water use on the golf course how 1807 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:17,119 » Is the water use on the golf course how 1808 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,280 does that compare to golf courses that 1809 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,480 we have currently? So this is the factor 1810 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,880 that we use for project and as you know 1811 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,119 we have certain uh target towards um the 1812 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,000 incoming year on regulation of outdoor 1813 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,000 usage and um this is the factor that we 1814 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,160 use that's comparable to if not stricter 1815 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,680 than the current uh out uses. So, we 1816 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,359 look at the aggregate use of the 1817 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,440 project, not the specific parts of the 1818 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,960 project. And I think that's kind of 1819 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,440 where Director Biano was going is, do we 1820 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,920 have a way to compare the use on the 1821 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,000 golf course to other golf courses? If 1822 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,079 Olivia was here, she'd probably be able 1823 01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,839 to do that off the top of her head. 1824 01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:00,230 >> Yeah. 1825 01:01:00,230 --> 01:01:00,240 » Yeah. 1826 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,349 >> Yeah. We'll take [laughter] a look at 1827 01:01:01,349 --> 01:01:01,359 » Yeah. We'll take [laughter] a look at 1828 01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:04,000 that and we'll get back to you. You 1829 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,910 >> Yeah, I I have a question in kind of 1830 01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:05,920 » Yeah, I I have a question in kind of 1831 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,040 related to that. I I think the 3.84 is a 1832 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,680 is a metric that is a is a better 1833 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,040 metric. uh from a project by project uh 1834 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,990 uh analysis rather than the 660 1835 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,720 69 acre feet on the project. I mean I'm 1836 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,359 looking through all the other WSAs and 1837 01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:28,960 um you know there's some at you know 1838 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,480 5,000 uh acre feet. Um but to me it's 1839 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,640 kind assessment should be u you know the 1840 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,200 aggregate of the project and and so I 1841 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,480 look at the 3.8 84. And to me, that 1842 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,520 rings rather high in terms of what some 1843 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,000 of the others that we've seen uh come 1844 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,160 through. And although your list doesn't 1845 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,720 have the um per foot, which I I would 1846 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,599 like to get at some point, um but it 1847 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,760 just seems high to me and and I, you 1848 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,760 know, so that begs the question, is the 1849 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,000 golf course, you know, significantly 1850 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,480 impacting this whole project uh in 1851 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,960 there? And you know, I I'm struggling 1852 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,640 with that that amount. I thought our 1853 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,400 ordinances would bring the member in in 1854 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,359 the in the twos rather than the threes. 1855 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,119 So, 1856 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,280 I guess I'm, you know, I look at this 1857 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,040 project and I'm thinking, wow, it's 1858 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,480 pretty high water use. 1859 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,309 >> You um sometimes report the 1860 01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:32,319 » You um sometimes report the 1861 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:35,920 demand uh as a percentage of the 1862 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,390 >> the plan increases. Yeah, you 1863 01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:38,400 » the plan increases. Yeah, you 1864 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,349 >> that's the project is accounts for about 1865 01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:41,359 » that's the project is accounts for about 1866 01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:44,240 1.34 of the total plan increases. And 1867 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,480 you look at the attachment three, we 1868 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,880 have all the projects listed. And what 1869 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,920 is the p the percentage so far um of our 1870 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,839 total uh projected water use by 2045. 1871 01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:59,680 And if this project is approved, we're 1872 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,200 at 39% of the projected uh water use. 1873 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,990 >> Okay, that's a that's a very nice um 1874 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:06,000 » Okay, that's a that's a very nice um 1875 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,750 >> Yes. Nice table. 1876 01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:07,760 » Yes. Nice table. 1877 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,190 >> You all were curious. Oh, we keep 1878 01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:09,200 » You all were curious. Oh, we keep 1879 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,599 approving this WSA, but where where are 1880 01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,559 we on the percentage? Have we exceeded 1881 01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:15,760 that amount? 1882 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,430 >> So, we have a projection that takes us 1883 01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:17,440 » So, we have a projection that takes us 1884 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,960 to 2045. 1885 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,109 >> Yes. And right now, with all the 1886 01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:21,119 » Yes. And right now, with all the 1887 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,160 projects approved, we're at 39%. 1888 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,710 >> Is that projected demand? 1889 01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:26,720 » Is that projected demand? 1890 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,589 >> So, that Thank you for this um table 1891 01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:29,599 » So, that Thank you for this um table 1892 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:30,160 here. 1893 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,549 >> Of course, staff will continue to update 1894 01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:32,559 » Of course, staff will continue to update 1895 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,599 this table as we bring new WSAs for us 1896 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,520 for your approval. You can see what it 1897 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:38,160 is. 1898 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,870 >> That's what that is. Yeah, 1899 01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:40,880 » That's what that is. Yeah, 1900 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,119 that's currently 1901 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:44,960 I I was just a little concerned because 1902 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,039 that, you know, sitting on the golf and 1903 01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,640 water task force, there's a lot of golf 1904 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,799 courses that are spending a lot of money 1905 01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:53,039 uh ripping out turf to try and at least 1906 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:57,760 have some kind of desert landscape um 1907 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,640 incorporated into their golf course. And 1908 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,440 I didn't know how this compares to other 1909 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,160 golf courses. Is it green grass from one 1910 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,920 side or the other? Although that's not 1911 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,640 our I mean that's not where this board 1912 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,039 is elected to do is is decide that we 1913 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,119 all we decide is do you meet our 1914 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:18,799 criteria and 1915 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,789 >> obviously this meets our criteria or you 1916 01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:20,799 » obviously this meets our criteria or you 1917 01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:21,440 wouldn't be here. 1918 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,990 >> Right. And they also in included a plant 1919 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:24,000 » Right. And they also in included a plant 1920 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,280 pallet that's um desert friendly as well 1921 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,839 in the WSA. 1922 01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:31,589 >> Yeah. So just from the chart you have up 1923 01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:31,599 » Yeah. So just from the chart you have up 1924 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,920 here, it's 5.32 1925 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,880 acre feet per acre on the golf on the 1926 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,000 golf course. 1927 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,750 >> And I don't know how that compares 1928 01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:39,760 » And I don't know how that compares 1929 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,069 >> Yeah. 1930 01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:40,079 » Yeah. 1931 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:40,390 >> Yeah. 1932 01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:40,400 » Yeah. 1933 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:40,710 >> Yeah. 1934 01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:40,720 » Yeah. 1935 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,589 >> to others like 1936 01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:41,599 » to others like 1937 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:42,470 >> to others. Yeah. 1938 01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:42,480 » to others. Yeah. 1939 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,710 >> Yeah. I don't know if that's high or 1940 01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:44,720 » Yeah. I don't know if that's high or 1941 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,589 >> low or 1942 01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:45,599 » low or 1943 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,589 >> remember we had we had that chart they 1944 01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:47,599 » remember we had we had that chart they 1945 01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,680 gave us also at the 1946 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,349 >> Yeah. They broke down the the um acre 1947 01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:53,359 » Yeah. They broke down the the um acre 1948 01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:55,039 feet per acre of each golf course. I 1949 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:56,559 think is that what they're working on 1950 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,079 too? Yeah, they're mapping 1951 01:04:58,079 --> 01:04:59,990 >> Jim. 1952 01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:00,000 » Jim. 1953 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,750 >> Yes, I'm trying to pull up uh the last 1954 01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:03,760 » Yes, I'm trying to pull up uh the last 1955 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,789 >> sub that um 1956 01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:06,799 » sub that um 1957 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,549 >> yeah, on this project I mean the the 1958 01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:08,559 » yeah, on this project I mean the the 1959 01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:13,200 Gulf area um is 43% of the total project 1960 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,920 which so that 5.3 has a greater impact 1961 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,865 on on the total project. 1962 01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:21,119 » [snorts] 1963 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:25,990 >> She doesn't have this was uh 1964 01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:26,000 » She doesn't have this was uh 1965 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,599 Olivia's last for 2025. 1966 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,039 So I don't have the one for 20, but this 1967 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,880 is the acre foot per course and this is 1968 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,720 the acre foot per hole. So it doesn't 1969 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,710 >> So So Jim, you might want to mention 1970 01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:38,720 » So So Jim, you might want to mention 1971 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,640 whatever numbers you're looking at. 1972 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,760 Well, it's a table and it's got the ETO 1973 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,480 um the evapo transpiration and golf 1974 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,240 course water use for various months of 1975 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,760 2025. 1976 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,520 Um this is just the one I pulled up. It 1977 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,200 doesn't have November, December 1978 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,109 >> acre feet per you don't know the acres. 1979 01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:59,119 » acre feet per you don't know the acres. 1980 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:00,789 >> Yeah, 1981 01:06:00,789 --> 01:06:00,799 » Yeah, 1982 01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:02,870 >> but how big is a course typically like? 1983 01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:02,880 » but how big is a course typically like? 1984 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,789 >> So this would be 2024 because this year 1985 01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:04,799 » So this would be 2024 because this year 1986 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:07,440 is not finished, right? Total. So 1987 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,270 >> the total acre foot for course, she 1988 01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:09,280 » the total acre foot for course, she 1989 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,160 doesn't have a a total there or it is 1990 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,520 acre foot 1991 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,950 >> peru. 1992 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,799 » Yeah. She doesn't have the acreage of 1993 01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:19,920 the course. 1994 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,029 >> Yeah. 1995 01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:21,039 » Yeah. 1996 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,910 >> Yeah. To compare course. 1997 01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:23,920 » Yeah. To compare course. 1998 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,270 >> So not helpful at all. 1999 01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:25,280 » So not helpful at all. 2000 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,069 >> No. 2001 01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:26,079 » No. 2002 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,990 >> No. [laughter] 2003 01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:28,000 » No. [laughter] 2004 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,390 >> But it was a good try though. 2005 01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:30,400 » But it was a good try though. 2006 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,150 >> If she was here, she would 2007 01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:32,160 » If she was here, she would 2008 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:32,789 >> she would not. 2009 01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:32,799 » she would not. 2010 01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:34,789 >> Yeah. Well, doc staff can definitely put 2011 01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:34,799 » Yeah. Well, doc staff can definitely put 2012 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:36,160 something like this together for the 2013 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,200 future WSA approval so that you could 2014 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,119 see um how the project compares. 2015 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,910 >> All right. Uh there not any further 2016 01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:45,920 » All right. Uh there not any further 2017 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,359 comments, questions. Is there a motion 2018 01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:57,829 to approve? 2019 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,160 Asking for a motion. 2020 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,400 I think there might still be some 2021 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:10,230 reviews and thoughts. 2022 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,000 » I'm just concerned about the overall 2023 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,880 water use on it. Um I mean I know we 2024 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,359 don't we don't have I I think we have 2025 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,240 discretion on projects uh in terms of 2026 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,440 overall water use. Um I think this one's 2027 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,470 high. 2028 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,039 » Yeah, we have folks from the project 2029 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,960 that are here to answer questions you 2030 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,150 may have as well. 2031 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,319 I got something. I don't know why it's 2032 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:40,319 backwards. Golf course water use in acre 2033 01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:43,200 feet, but it's again not per acre. So, I 2034 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:48,390 guess that doesn't help either. 2035 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:48,559 I 2036 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:49,910 >> think we're getting somebody on the line 2037 01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:49,920 » think we're getting somebody on the line 2038 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,280 from the project team. 2039 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,510 >> We do have Frank on the line. Frank, if 2040 01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:55,520 » We do have Frank on the line. Frank, if 2041 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,039 you'd like to unmute yourself, if you 2042 01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,319 have any information you'd like to add 2043 01:07:58,319 --> 01:07:59,680 or make yourself available for any 2044 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,280 questions to the board, you can do so at 2045 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,119 this time. 2046 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,029 >> Hi. Yes. Can you guys hear me? Okay. 2047 01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:05,039 » Hi. Yes. Can you guys hear me? Okay. 2048 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,079 This is Frank Cahill with RTL. 2049 01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:10,630 >> Yes, we can hear you. 2050 01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:10,640 » Yes, we can hear you. 2051 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,750 >> Yeah. Uh, I'm afraid I I I probably 2052 01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:13,760 » Yeah. Uh, I'm afraid I I I probably 2053 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,319 can't answer as it were uh the 2054 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,960 comparison to other golf courses, but I 2055 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,520 I've um I could just reiterate that the 2056 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,799 the amount of the increase here is about 2057 01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:29,920 1% and and having um in the WSA it does 2058 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,679 uh clearly go through um the the the 2059 01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,080 potential for future dry years, a single 2060 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,480 dry year and then five dry years over 2061 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,199 the next 20 year period up to 2045. 2062 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,040 And it kind of uh it goes through and it 2063 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,080 explains how if any of those uh dry 2064 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,279 years were to happen uh how CVWD can 2065 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,400 still produce the water um uh for this 2066 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,440 golf course irrigation. And you you guys 2067 01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:56,719 are probably very familiar with this 2068 01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:59,679 from from previous WSAs, but um 2069 01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:01,679 basically I think the bottom line on the 2070 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:06,080 WSA was that um CVWD has the the the 2071 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,319 ability to to pump from the groundwater 2072 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:13,199 basin. um if any of those um dry years 2073 01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,159 do happen and the overall impact of this 2074 01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:18,400 particular project is about 1% of the 2075 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,319 increase. I think it's uh one and a 2076 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,159 half% of the increase between now and 2077 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,359 then. So that's all I could comment on. 2078 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,560 I I I don't know the the actual um acre 2079 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,799 feet per acre of other projects in the 2080 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:33,030 locality to compare to. Do do do do do 2081 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,189 do do do do do do do do do do do do do 2082 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,000 do do do do do we know um it is this 2083 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,920 actively farmed and do we know the 2084 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,600 comparison of the current water demand 2085 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,080 if this is being irrigated um in 2086 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,920 comparison to the projected water demand 2087 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,759 on this project 2088 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:49,590 >> it's going to be lower no matter what 2089 01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:49,600 » it's going to be lower no matter what 2090 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,510 >> it's going to be lower no matter what. 2091 01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:51,520 » it's going to be lower no matter what. 2092 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,590 >> Yeah. 2093 01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:53,600 » Yeah. 2094 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,430 >> So I that's a good thing right? 2095 01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:55,440 » So I that's a good thing right? 2096 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,510 >> Yeah. 2097 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,560 » I just don't know if we should 2098 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,880 just the we should look at 2099 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,350 >> what if if we table this does it have 2100 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:07,360 » what if if we table this does it have 2101 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,000 any sort of impact on your um on any of 2102 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,600 your other approvals with with the 2103 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,280 county or or does it have any sort of 2104 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,320 impact on that? 2105 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,950 >> Uh I think John is in the audience 2106 01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:18,960 » Uh I think John is in the audience 2107 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,320 there. He could probably uh comment on 2108 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,159 that better but but yes I think we were 2109 01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,480 uh hoping to get this done quickly so 2110 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,440 that we can move forward with the other 2111 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,440 approvals. But uh maybe John could 2112 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,600 comment on that. 2113 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,600 Hi John, would you please come up if you 2114 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,679 could answer that question? This is this 2115 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:37,199 completely independent of the county 2116 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,280 process or do you need this checked off 2117 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,000 or 2118 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,350 >> Yeah, this is 2119 01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:41,360 » Yeah, this is 2120 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:41,750 >> part of 2121 01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:41,760 » part of 2122 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,270 >> if we can have you come up to the podium 2123 01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:43,280 » if we can have you come up to the podium 2124 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,560 please. You can come up to this podium 2125 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:44,960 as well. 2126 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,470 >> The water supply assessment is part of 2127 01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:46,480 » The water supply assessment is part of 2128 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,360 their squa their environmental document. 2129 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,590 >> Um good morning John Gamlin with 2130 01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:51,600 » Um good morning John Gamlin with 2131 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,560 Discovery Land Company. Um I do have if 2132 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,360 you I'm sorry I do have the blue card if 2133 01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:57,679 you need it. 2134 01:10:57,679 --> 01:10:58,550 >> I'll take that after. 2135 01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:58,560 » I'll take that after. 2136 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,709 >> Okay. Um I I am a senior vice president 2137 01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:02,719 » Okay. Um I I am a senior vice president 2138 01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:06,880 of development for Discovery and so yes 2139 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,360 this is part of our environmental 2140 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,600 process. We're in the midst of uh it's 2141 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,120 imminent actually. We're submitting our 2142 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,480 administrative draft EIR to the county 2143 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,600 this week. Um so that will be in public 2144 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,080 circulation probably within we hope 2145 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,480 within six weeks. and the WSA is a uh 2146 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:29,360 requirement of the EIR. So, the 2147 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,760 information is in the EIR. 2148 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,360 Um 2149 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,159 I, you know, I'm sure we can probably 2150 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:39,280 resolve some of the the questions um 2151 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,679 with the engineer if you know if the if 2152 01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:43,679 the board isn't able to approve this 2153 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:46,000 today. I I think that my long experience 2154 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,600 in the valley, I think this golf course 2155 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,560 is is no different than any other golf 2156 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,840 course uh approved in the current um 2157 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,239 setting in terms of the regulation and 2158 01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:57,840 it's water demand. I know there are 2159 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,320 limitations on turf. I think it adheres 2160 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,239 to all the the ordinance 1302 2161 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:03,840 requirements. 2162 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,800 Um and then you know it is an aid plant 2163 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,000 pallet. So, um, and it does intend to 2164 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,560 use non-politable water sources that's 2165 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,719 on the property today. A question was 2166 01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:17,760 asked about farming. Historically, 2167 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,000 uh, of the 174 acres of the project 2168 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,159 site, all but uh, 19 acres has been 2169 01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,640 farmed in recent times. And in fact, 100 2170 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,840 acres have been in crops as recently as 2171 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,159 a year ago. So there is still active 2172 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,120 farming under leaseolds that um we have 2173 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,320 in place on the property. There's a 19 2174 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,400 acre date grove and about 100 acres 2175 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,320 that's in 2176 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,960 um vegetable production. There is 40 2177 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,480 acres that was followed that was in 2178 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:50,719 vegetable production a year or two ago. 2179 01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:53,040 But um I you know I mean our my intent 2180 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,960 and our our intent is always to design a 2181 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,520 very water efficient project 2182 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,400 um to the extent of you know how we're 2183 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,920 using water the type of water we're 2184 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,199 using whether it's you know portable or 2185 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,600 non-potable water sources and I think to 2186 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,600 the greatest extent possible our intent 2187 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,239 is to use uh non-potable water sources 2188 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,880 including canal water which is available 2189 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,320 to the site today. 2190 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,870 >> Thank you for that. I I have to the 2191 01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:18,880 » Thank you for that. I I have to the 2192 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,719 point to the point that you made about 2193 01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:23,840 the project meets all the regulations 2194 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,440 related to water efficiency and 2195 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:31,669 >> I guess that's a question for staff. Um 2196 01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:31,679 » I guess that's a question for staff. Um 2197 01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:34,159 when we talk about water efficiency does 2198 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:36,960 it does it incorporate all water use 2199 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,000 including non-potable um and domestic or 2200 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,600 is it only uh a domestic 2201 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,990 >> Say that again. I'm sorry. 2202 01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:46,000 » Say that again. I'm sorry. 2203 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,280 So our regulations for water efficiency 2204 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,870 >> are they only for domestic or are they 2205 01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:50,880 » are they only for domestic or are they 2206 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,719 all for all water use 2207 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:55,110 >> for all water use and we look at indoors 2208 01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:55,120 » for all water use and we look at indoors 2209 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,239 and out as well as outdoors. 2210 01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:02,709 >> So although this is using the acre acre 2211 01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:02,719 » So although this is using the acre acre 2212 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:05,520 feet per acre it met all those 2213 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,040 regulations otherwise it would have been 2214 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:07,520 denied. 2215 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,910 >> Correct. Correct. And to get back to 2216 01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:09,920 » Correct. Correct. And to get back to 2217 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,000 your question about how does this golf 2218 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,640 course proposed golf course compares to 2219 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,560 the curtain golf courses and we tracked 2220 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,280 down Olivia's um presentation to the 2221 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,320 water count uh water counts academy um 2222 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,000 and her average of uh 955 acre feet per 2223 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,520 year um on a golf course on larger cores 2224 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,520 it's about 1,400 acre feet per year. 2225 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,560 So to compare to this project, the 2226 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,000 demand here is 67 below the average. 2227 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,510 >> Yeah, it's hard because I think this is 2228 01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:41,520 » Yeah, it's hard because I think this is 2229 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,520 a shorter this is not a full 18, right? 2230 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,070 >> Short course. 2231 01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:48,080 » Short course. 2232 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,000 I just I just um you know this I've been 2233 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,320 kind of opposed to kind of restrictions 2234 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,400 on any of these things but times are 2235 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,719 changing a little bit and um I just want 2236 01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,880 to make sure that we're not we're not 2237 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,239 approving something that's going to come 2238 01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:02,960 back and 2239 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,030 >> I don't think it is 2240 01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:05,040 » I don't think it is 2241 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,800 I don't think it is. It's met all it's 2242 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,320 met all our regulations. 2243 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,630 >> Yeah. If I may just real briefly just to 2244 01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:10,640 » Yeah. If I may just real briefly just to 2245 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,120 to remind the board this is a WSA to 2246 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,040 determine whether there are uh 2247 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,360 sufficient water supplies during normal 2248 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,920 single dry and multi dry multiple dry 2249 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,159 years over a 20-year projection to meet 2250 01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,800 the projected demands. This is not a 2251 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,040 commitment to water service. This is 2252 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,000 part of a squa uh process being done by 2253 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,400 the land use agency and the applicant 2254 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,640 much like a traffic report or air 2255 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,320 quality or things of that nature. It's 2256 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,120 not a commitment to service. It is not 2257 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,000 it does not overrule the use 2258 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,400 requirements that this board and this 2259 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,600 district has now or implements prior to 2260 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,000 this actually being developed. So it 2261 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,440 doesn't limit or overrule 2262 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,719 the use limitations that apply at CBWD, 2263 01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:58,719 nor is it even a commitment to serve 2264 01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:00,880 water. It's part of the secret process 2265 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,719 at the applicants level. It's not 2266 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:05,199 binding on this board, nor does it 2267 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:08,080 change today or at any time what the 2268 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,920 water used to restrictions and 2269 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,679 conservation measures are in effect 2270 01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:14,400 today or may be in effect at the time 2271 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,239 they develop the property. 2272 01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:18,070 >> I I I get what you're saying, Jeff, but 2273 01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:18,080 » I I I get what you're saying, Jeff, but 2274 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,440 listen, [clears throat] that that is 2275 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:20,960 that that wouldn't be a nice thing to 2276 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,880 do. I mean, once we approve this, we're 2277 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,640 basically telling the project, you're 2278 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,800 good to go. I mean, for us to come back 2279 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,159 and say, you know what, things have 2280 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,560 changed. We're going to take that away. 2281 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,239 I wouldn't want to do that. We're we're 2282 01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,560 so far away from our projected water 2283 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,280 demand that this looks into like 20 20 2284 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,640 years ahead. We're at we're at 39%. 2285 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,630 >> We I mean I think I' I'd be more in 2286 01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:42,640 » We I mean I think I' I'd be more in 2287 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,800 agreement with trying to be more careful 2288 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,000 if we were like at 90% and we were 2289 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,280 reaching our kind of our our threshold, 2290 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,199 but we're we're we're so far we're so 2291 01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,199 far away from from it. And I mean this 2292 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,760 represents 1 point something% 2293 01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,600 of our projected demand. 2294 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,960 I was just more worried about the look. 2295 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,550 >> Jeff, when does when does u the right to 2296 01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:06,560 » Jeff, when does when does u the right to 2297 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,920 serve become verifiable and a promise? I 2298 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,760 mean, it's not during this process. It's 2299 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,000 a process. Is it the verification 2300 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,199 process that we have? 2301 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,350 >> No, it's it's whatever the application 2302 01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:17,360 » No, it's it's whatever the application 2303 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,159 process is to large developments to seek 2304 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:21,440 service. I that 2305 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:22,790 >> service application 2306 01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:22,800 » service application 2307 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,870 >> be a water service application process 2308 01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:24,880 » be a water service application process 2309 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:25,669 >> agreement. 2310 01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:25,679 » agreement. 2311 01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:27,189 >> Yeah. So when they come forward with 2312 01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:27,199 » Yeah. So when they come forward with 2313 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:28,719 plans and say we're going to build this 2314 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:30,640 and this is where we're going to put in 2315 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,280 then the you know staff says well this 2316 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,520 is how we need to have it built. This is 2317 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,600 how much water you can use. This is 2318 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,280 where the water goes. This is the water 2319 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,000 source. 2320 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,630 >> So that's when the uh the developers 2321 01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:42,640 » So that's when the uh the developers 2322 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,080 plans meet the district's ordinance at 2323 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:46,719 that point. 2324 01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:47,270 >> Correct. 2325 01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:47,280 » Correct. 2326 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:47,750 >> Right. 2327 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:47,760 » Right. 2328 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,270 >> Which we're not even to the point of 2329 01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:49,280 » Which we're not even to the point of 2330 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,960 them applying for service. 2331 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,590 >> Right. Right. 2332 01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:53,600 » Right. Right. 2333 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:58,480 And um Joanne, is our uh 2334 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,320 under our ordinance, do we have an 2335 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,120 overall acre feet per acre on that or is 2336 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,840 it just depending on the type of 2337 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,120 development? 2338 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,430 >> It's the type of development 2339 01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:09,440 » It's the type of development 2340 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:12,149 >> and of course like Jeff pointed out is 2341 01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:12,159 » and of course like Jeff pointed out is 2342 01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:16,480 that as our ordinance um get amended 2343 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,800 then of course we would be more 2344 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,640 conservative based on that ordinance. 2345 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,760 Okay. Well, I mean, I I'll make a motion 2346 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,719 to approve the water supply assessment 2347 01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:31,280 under the under the thoughts that, you 2348 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,760 know, times are changing and um uh I u 2349 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,600 and we are getting drier and this 2350 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,040 nonpotable water use to me means a fair 2351 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,840 amount of Colorado River water which is 2352 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,760 at risk and um and recycled water which 2353 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,360 is developing. So um and we are 2354 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,679 underneath our overall u water supply uh 2355 01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:59,600 outlooks but um I would say you know I'm 2356 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,920 making the motion uh with great concerns 2357 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,280 about the overall acre feet per acre in 2358 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,320 this project and that as we go forward 2359 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,480 and and approve these or or deny them 2360 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:15,520 that uh acre feet per acre is a a metric 2361 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,320 that is pretty important when we look at 2362 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,159 overall supply. So, I'll make the motion 2363 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:20,560 to 2364 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:21,590 >> I'll second. 2365 01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:21,600 » I'll second. 2366 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,430 >> So, we got a motion, a second, and I and 2367 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:23,440 » So, we got a motion, a second, and I and 2368 01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:25,360 I'll say if you could somebody from 2369 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,600 staff could or share the that table, 2370 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,400 Jim, so that we can gauge on how this 2371 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,440 compares to other uh golf courses. 2372 01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:33,990 >> Hi, sir. 2373 01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:34,000 » Hi, sir. 2374 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,590 >> That that'd be helpful. And uh 2375 01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:35,600 » That that'd be helpful. And uh 2376 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:36,790 >> we'll do 2377 01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:36,800 » we'll do 2378 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,750 >> uh so there's a a motion, a second u we 2379 01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:39,760 » uh so there's a a motion, a second u we 2380 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,679 have roll call, please. Uh Director 2381 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:43,920 Agar, you have any comments? 2382 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,430 >> I I do not. Thank you. 2383 01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:45,440 » I I do not. Thank you. 2384 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,430 >> Okay, we we can have a roll call. 2385 01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:47,440 » Okay, we we can have a roll call. 2386 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,990 >> Okay. Vice President Estrada. 2387 01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:50,000 » Okay. Vice President Estrada. 2388 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,110 >> Yes. 2389 01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:51,120 » Yes. 2390 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,630 >> Director Aguular. 2391 01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:52,640 » Director Aguular. 2392 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:53,430 >> Yes. 2393 01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:53,440 » Yes. 2394 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:54,550 >> Director Biano. 2395 01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:54,560 » Director Biano. 2396 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:55,189 >> Yes. 2397 01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:55,199 » Yes. 2398 01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:55,990 >> Director Nelson. 2399 01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:56,000 » Director Nelson. 2400 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,470 >> Hi. 2401 01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:56,480 » Hi. 2402 01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:57,350 >> Motion pass. 2403 01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:57,360 » Motion pass. 2404 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,110 >> Thank you. 2405 01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:59,120 » Thank you. 2406 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,870 >> And um 2407 01:20:00,870 --> 01:20:00,880 » And um 2408 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,390 >> I think we could get John. 2409 01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:04,400 » I think we could get John. 2410 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,790 >> You want to grab John? 2411 01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:06,800 » You want to grab John? 2412 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:07,350 >> Okay. 2413 01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:07,360 » Okay. 2414 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:16,229 >> Standing there waiting. 2415 01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:22,630 » Made it. Should put a surf 2416 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:23,920 less water. 2417 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,149 >> I know. [clears throat] 2418 01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:32,630 Okay. 2419 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,440 On to 9A. 2420 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:38,080 We did have the Was it just the one that 2421 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,400 came in 2422 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,350 >> for this on C? 2423 01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:41,360 » for this on C? 2424 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,669 >> I can't get my mic. Yes, that came in uh 2425 01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:43,679 » I can't get my mic. Yes, that came in uh 2426 01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:46,000 yesterday evening. So, I went ahead and 2427 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,000 added that on. It was distributed to the 2428 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,080 board and added to the blog. 2429 01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,709 >> All right. Thank you. 2430 01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:52,719 » All right. Thank you. 2431 01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:54,880 Board comments and request for future 2432 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,400 agenda items. General board comments. 2433 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,159 Director Nelson. 2434 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:03,669 >> Um, no, not too much. Just um, you know, 2435 01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:03,679 » Um, no, not too much. Just um, you know, 2436 01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:05,600 California has been declared drought 2437 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,800 free. How about that? Drought free. Um 2438 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,520 uh and we're and I guess Orville is 2439 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,280 releasing flood supplies uh with uh no 2440 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,920 opportunity to collect those as exports 2441 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,199 out of the Delta. So um I guess all is 2442 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,080 good in the world. Um 2443 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,239 um although Colorado River systems at uh 2444 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:32,880 80 no 66% of their snow pack and as you 2445 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,239 recall we had 100% uh snowpack with 2446 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:40,960 about a 75% runoff. So uh this is off to 2447 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,320 our driest year on the Colorado River 2448 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,600 basin in quite a number of years if not 2449 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,400 in all history. So, um, should be 2450 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,639 interesting, uh, how it affects the 2451 01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:55,199 negotiations going forward. Right now, 2452 01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:58,800 that's all I have. 2453 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,070 >> Um, Director Aguilar, 2454 01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:02,080 » Um, Director Aguilar, 2455 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,430 >> no, John, no comments. 2456 01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:03,440 » no, John, no comments. 2457 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:08,870 >> Okay, thanks. Vice President Estrada, 2458 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,750 no, no comments. 2459 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,639 I think I'm going to pass also. 2460 01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:18,159 Do we have any requests for future 2461 01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:23,669 agenda items? 2462 01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:25,280 » Hearing none. 2463 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,070 >> On to reports for meetings. We had um 2464 01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:28,080 » On to reports for meetings. We had um 2465 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,239 let's see the December 23rd special 2466 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,760 meeting. Those present were listed here. 2467 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,360 Um January 8th conservation commission. 2468 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,520 Director Biano. 2469 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,679 So this meeting was basically all about 2470 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:47,199 the burrowing owl. In October 2024, the 2471 01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:51,280 state uh has put a petition out to uh 2472 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,840 designate the western buring owl as 2473 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,000 threatened endangered. 2474 01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,719 And uh through our multiecies habitat 2475 01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:05,360 plan uh it was thought that uh in the 2476 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,760 Coachella Valley uh we had zero 2477 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,000 burrowing owls and we needed 15 uh 2478 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,520 groups. 2479 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,520 I'm not sure they kind of explained it 2480 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,040 but I don't know if I could fully 2481 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,960 explain it to you. It's it's a grouping 2482 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,560 of al so 15 groupings. Um, IID 2483 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,480 thankfully uh went out and uh spent $4 2484 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,239 million on a survey uh for the Imperial 2485 01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:34,480 Valley and the Coachella Valley. Uh and 2486 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:38,560 uh luckily we have 500 2487 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,560 uh of these uh pairs here in the 2488 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,440 Coachella Valley and the Imperial Valley 2489 01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:49,280 has over 7,800. 2490 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,080 So there is some caution and the caution 2491 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,679 is is that sometimes uh the data doesn't 2492 01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:59,600 drive decisions in Sacramento and that 2493 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,239 the word was to get it out to our 2494 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:06,880 elected to pass the word to uh everyone 2495 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,560 else that this you know this should not 2496 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:11,840 be a problem here in the Coachella 2497 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,000 Valley and that the Coachella Valley 2498 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,920 from here all the way to the Imperial 2499 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,199 Valley should be carved out of uh this 2500 01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:22,800 uh threatened endangered species. So we 2501 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,920 will see how things go. But I want to 2502 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,960 say thank you to IID for for this. This 2503 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,679 was this was a huge huge undertaking. 2504 01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:35,040 They had you know 80 to 100 people uh in 2505 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,000 the Coachella Valley that uh it took to 2506 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,880 actually go out and and walk uh these 2507 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,840 areas. Uh most of the areas are not in 2508 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,080 the agricultural areas. They're they're 2509 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,960 more uh in the foothills below Desert 2510 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,080 Hot Springs and Thousand Palms and then 2511 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,880 in Palm Springs. So, it was not not an 2512 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,679 easy task. There wasn't a lot of roads 2513 01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:00,639 like they have in Imperial Valley where 2514 01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:02,800 uh you could drive to and find these 2515 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,120 owls. So, which probably a good thing 2516 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,239 that there's not people next to them. 2517 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:11,440 Anyways, that's my update. 2518 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,030 >> Thank you. 2519 01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:13,040 » Thank you. 2520 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,639 Yeah. Know I need to learn more about 2521 01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:19,040 that buring owl. I have a a lot of owls 2522 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,400 around my house, but not those kinds. 2523 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,229 >> Weren't we going to Didn't we ask for 2524 01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:24,239 » Weren't we going to Didn't we ask for 2525 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,560 like an item to to come to us in close 2526 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,679 session maybe? Um I think at the last 2527 01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:31,040 meeting there was a comment on that. Is 2528 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,510 that being scheduled? 2529 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,360 » Current currently there are a lot of 2530 01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,360 moving parts at the state level. our 2531 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,600 representatives working with way crawl 2532 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,960 food office to address this issue. So, 2533 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,199 um we'll bring this back to the board in 2534 01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,199 February in close session. 2535 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:49,669 >> Thank you. 2536 01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:49,679 » Thank you. 2537 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:50,390 >> Thank you. Thank you. 2538 01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:50,400 » Thank you. Thank you. 2539 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,590 >> Yeah, of course. 2540 01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:51,600 » Yeah, of course. 2541 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,510 >> Okay. The the next meeting was January 2542 01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:53,520 » Okay. The the next meeting was January 2543 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,320 9th, Colorado River Board, Director 2544 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,840 Nelson. And actually, I made an 2545 01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,320 appearance there as well. 2546 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,629 >> Since they're were local, I couldn't 2547 01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:02,639 » Since they're were local, I couldn't 2548 01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:03,679 resist. 2549 01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:05,350 >> No, thanks for coming, John. Appreciate 2550 01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:05,360 » No, thanks for coming, John. Appreciate 2551 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,600 that. Um 2552 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,639 obviously we got our updates on on dry 2553 01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:13,840 hydrarology in the basin and then as uh 2554 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,760 we were meeting the Bureau of 2555 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,199 Reclamation uh released uh the draft 2556 01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:21,760 environmental impact station uh 2557 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,920 statement um EIS for the post2026 2558 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,080 operational guidelines strategies for 2559 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,480 Lake Pal and Lake me. Uh in this 2560 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,600 document there are five alternatives. Uh 2561 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,679 and we discussed those alternatives at 2562 01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:39,520 some length but not in um the degree uh 2563 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,239 that we could because obviously this was 2564 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,400 released during our meeting our CRB 2565 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,800 meeting. Um 2566 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,199 but uh there are five different 2567 01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:51,120 alternatives. Some go by the priority 2568 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,920 system and uh there are other 2569 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,120 alternatives in here that go to 4 2570 01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,000 million acre feet of reductions in the 2571 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,360 lower basin. Um as you know the number 2572 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,560 out there is 1.5 million acre feet of 2573 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,000 the entire lower basin offer with Mexico 2574 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,000 included. So 4 million is you know over 2575 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,199 double. So, uh there are some problems 2576 01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:20,560 uh with that obviously and uh uh this 2577 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,639 week uh we learned at the meeting that 2578 01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:25,840 this week uh uh the bureau has 2579 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:31,760 sequestered the principles in um in Utah 2580 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,880 uh the frigid air of Utah to uh try and 2581 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,360 hammer out some greater details on what 2582 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,880 a consensus u solution might be. Steve 2583 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,840 Abbott is um attending that for on our 2584 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,400 behalf. Uh 2585 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,199 and so we'll see what they come up with. 2586 01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:52,320 Uh the one of the alternatives is a 2587 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,360 hybrid of the upper basin, lower basin 2588 01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,320 potential consensus. Uh and there are 2589 01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,440 some uh problems with it. Uh but it does 2590 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,800 offer some uh storage opportunities as 2591 01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,920 well as dealing with uh current ICS that 2592 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:12,000 would be beneficial to Metropolitan. Um 2593 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,400 it seems to me like that that 2594 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,840 alternative if uh negotiated between the 2595 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,719 upper and lower basin would be uh 2596 01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:22,639 reasonable if we could get some 2597 01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:24,560 accommodations in that and some 2598 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,800 commitment from the upper basin to 2599 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,960 contribute. it it looks at um 2600 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,679 curtailments of between 1.5 which is on 2601 01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:35,920 the table of the lower basin and 2.1 2602 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,320 million acre feet. Um so another 600,000 2603 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,880 and uh I think the lower basin's 2604 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,440 negotiation strategy has been we'll 2605 01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:49,199 contribute 1.5 and then split something 2606 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:50,960 addition to that to the upper basin. So 2607 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,560 it seems to me like there are now some 2608 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,480 parameters out there that can be 2609 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,760 discussed and u hopefully agreed upon 2610 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,360 with that group. 2611 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,669 >> Can I ask you a question? So 2612 01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:01,679 » Can I ask you a question? So 2613 01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:04,149 >> is reclamation just putting they're just 2614 01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:04,159 » is reclamation just putting they're just 2615 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:06,880 worried about lower and upper but they 2616 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,040 they don't have any recommendations on 2617 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,600 how the lower basin would accomplish 2618 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,560 that. 2619 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,629 >> No, it's just the the the big number, 2620 01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:14,639 » No, it's just the the the big number, 2621 01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:16,560 right? So, so, uh, 2622 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:17,669 >> so there's still, so there's, 2623 01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:17,679 » so there's still, so there's, 2624 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:19,270 >> so there's still there's still lower 2625 01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:19,280 » so there's still there's still lower 2626 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,400 bas. 2627 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,990 >> So, there's a there's that negotiation 2628 01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:22,000 » So, there's a there's that negotiation 2629 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,520 and then there's another negotiation 2630 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:24,880 that will come later. 2631 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:25,350 >> Exactly. 2632 01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:25,360 » Exactly. 2633 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:25,750 >> Okay. 2634 01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:25,760 » Okay. 2635 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,430 >> Exactly. 2636 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:32,080 » Thank you. Um, other reports, actually, 2637 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,880 I have [clears throat] two. 2638 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,159 Uh, January 7th, we had the Coachella 2639 01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:41,520 Irrigated Lands Coalition meeting. 2640 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,390 >> Were you on that one? 2641 01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:42,400 » Were you on that one? 2642 01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,070 >> I was on that. Peter, Director Nelson 2643 01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:44,080 » I was on that. Peter, Director Nelson 2644 01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,639 also 2645 01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:48,400 um 2646 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,120 are really looking for some help from 2647 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,120 Rachel Johnson with the Farm Bureau and 2648 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,360 she's getting up to speed 2649 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,950 >> and I think she's going to be a 2650 01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:56,960 » and I think she's going to be a 2651 01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:01,040 tremendous help for us um to try to get 2652 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,560 things done at a more reasonable cost 2653 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,800 um otherwise there's consultants out 2654 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,719 there that'll do it for a lot more money 2655 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:11,760 and uh it's turning into a a bit of a 2656 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:12,560 burden. 2657 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,639 for the uh irrigators. 2658 01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:18,222 Don't know if you had anything else, but 2659 01:30:18,222 --> 01:30:19,040 [clears throat] 2660 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,870 >> that's how I view it. That's how I view 2661 01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:20,880 » that's how I view it. That's how I view 2662 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,159 it. All right. And then actually 2663 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,639 yesterday I had a Desert Valley Builders 2664 01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:26,560 Association 2665 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,719 meeting with our new executive director. 2666 01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:34,149 There was a board meeting and um 2667 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:37,840 there was talk I think it was true from 2668 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,600 our representative down in Imperial 2669 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,800 Valley that there's a plan for a 10 2670 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,719 billion dollar investment in a data 2671 01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:47,360 center. I'd like to learn more about 2672 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,960 that. 10 billion in Imperial 2673 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:51,669 >> in Imperial. 2674 01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:51,679 » in Imperial. 2675 01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:52,310 >> Yes. 2676 01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:52,320 » Yes. 2677 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:53,590 >> There's a lot of protest. 2678 01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:53,600 » There's a lot of protest. 2679 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:54,790 >> I know there's a lot going on down 2680 01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:54,800 » I know there's a lot going on down 2681 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,960 there. I know. I 2682 01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,320 do. Do we get news clips from the 2683 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,080 Imperial Valley Press? 2684 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,390 >> We do. 2685 01:31:00,390 --> 01:31:00,400 » We do. 2686 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,870 >> We do. Huh? I don't know if I 2687 01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:02,880 » We do. Huh? I don't know if I 2688 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,229 >> have time to read all those, but those 2689 01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:04,239 » have time to read all those, but those 2690 01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,480 are the ones I'd like to start reading. 2691 01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,390 >> I think the developer just sued some of 2692 01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:08,400 » I think the developer just sued some of 2693 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,278 the cities. 2694 01:31:11,278 --> 01:31:12,800 [clears throat and cough] 2695 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,110 >> Anyways, that's 2696 01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:15,120 » Anyways, that's 2697 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,600 apparently they have the power. 2698 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,679 Put it right on one of the transmission 2699 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,920 lines. 2700 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,719 That's all I had. Any other meetings? 2701 01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:29,120 I uh yeah, on January 9th um we uh 2702 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,679 hosted um 2703 01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:33,520 uh the water education for Latino 2704 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,360 leaders group that makes its way down 2705 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,000 here probably for the last 2706 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,360 10 plus years now. Um 2707 01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,440 they spend uh Friday, Saturday and 2708 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:46,400 Sunday here speaking with um various 2709 01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,480 folks. Uh I talked to them on Friday. 2710 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,719 Um Patrick from the SNC Authority talked 2711 01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:54,560 to them Saturday and Monica Deas who 2712 01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,159 used to be with Riverside County and 2713 01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,639 then USDA and I think now she kind of 2714 01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:01,440 runs her own um 2715 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:05,280 firm uh spoke to them also on Saturday 2716 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,800 and Director Nelson, you spoke to them 2717 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,760 on Sunday. 2718 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:08,870 >> Sunday. 2719 01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:08,880 » Sunday. 2720 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,390 >> Uh so uh I'll I'm I'm reporting on the 2721 01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:12,400 » Uh so uh I'll I'm I'm reporting on the 2722 01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,120 9th and the 10th. I was with them on 2723 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,199 Friday. 2724 01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:18,639 um talked about a lot of the things that 2725 01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:20,480 we're doing with um the disadvantaged 2726 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,719 communities and the expansion of water 2727 01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:24,320 and sewer infrastructure into the east 2728 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,120 valley and uh a little bit about the 2729 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,000 salt and sea and then I uh went with 2730 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,760 them uh to the salt and sea in the 2731 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,560 morning uh and spend uh the morning and 2732 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,040 the afternoon with them. 2733 01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,239 uh smaller group this year maybe they 2734 01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:43,199 have a total of 13 but only six of them 2735 01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:46,320 I think came down to the region 2736 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,870 >> and then they um they also have another 2737 01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:48,880 » and then they um they also have another 2738 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,679 visit they make to San Diego and then I 2739 01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:53,920 think one to like is it how you 2740 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,159 pronounce it to 2741 01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,550 >> Hatchip yeah so they go they go there 2742 01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:58,560 » Hatchip yeah so they go they go there 2743 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,120 too I I've never been to the other 2744 01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,040 locations but I'm I'm thinking I might 2745 01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,800 go to the San Diego visit it sounds like 2746 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,040 they actually get to see some of the 2747 01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,000 Tijuana River. Um I've never seen that 2748 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,199 in person. I hear it's a quite a sight 2749 01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,840 to look at that. So, um I think that's 2750 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:21,199 happening next month, but uh yeah, 2751 01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:23,120 that's two days I spent with them, a 2752 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,639 great group. Uh we do have someone's 2753 01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:29,199 kind of semi-local uh that joined the 2754 01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:31,920 group this this time and that's Martha 2755 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,120 uh Sai. How do you pronounce your last 2756 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:35,440 name? 2757 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:36,390 >> Sing. S 2758 01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:36,400 » Sing. S 2759 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,030 >> same 2760 01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:37,040 » same 2761 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,430 >> yes supervisor of Imperial County. So 2762 01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:39,440 » yes supervisor of Imperial County. So 2763 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,360 she she was she was with us this this 2764 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:42,480 weekend. 2765 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,550 >> Um was [clears throat] able to speak to 2766 01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:44,560 » Um was [clears throat] able to speak to 2767 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,560 her. So 2768 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,440 uh yeah that's that's it for me. 2769 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:50,550 >> Great. Any any 2770 01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:50,560 » Great. Any any 2771 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,950 >> Yeah, I was I was there on the 11th with 2772 01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:52,960 » Yeah, I was I was there on the 11th with 2773 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,080 well and um uh they have a great format. 2774 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,600 Um they they get all your bio and u all 2775 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,639 your introductory amount uh information 2776 01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,880 and they don't want to see a PowerPoint. 2777 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,560 they just want to have interviews. So 2778 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,120 they they're tasked with, you know, 2779 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,520 developing questions and they had some 2780 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,600 very good questions about Colorado 2781 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,239 River. And so I I they wanted to hear 2782 01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,600 about that process and uh how the 2783 01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,600 governance works within the state on 2784 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,440 Colorado River issues and how the 2785 01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:26,159 contractors like CBWD fit in. So, it was 2786 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:29,280 a it was a good interview and um I think 2787 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,159 that able to um get the uh information 2788 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:37,600 across to them u about Colorado River in 2789 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,480 a in a good manner there. So, good good 2790 01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:41,360 program 2791 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,590 >> and uh just want to say thank you to BBK 2792 01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:43,600 » and uh just want to say thank you to BBK 2793 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,560 also for always helping us with the some 2794 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,239 of the arrangements there. It's always 2795 01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:54,310 uh good to to count on you. 2796 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,960 » Any others? Director Aguilar. 2797 01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,870 >> No, John. I'm good. 2798 01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:58,880 » No, John. I'm good. 2799 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,870 >> All right, we're good. Do is there a 2800 01:35:00,870 --> 01:35:00,880 » All right, we're good. Do is there a 2801 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,040 motion to approve PDM for the meetings 2802 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,360 reported on? 2803 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,910 >> I'll make a motion. I'll second. 2804 01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:07,920 » I'll make a motion. I'll second. 2805 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,550 >> Roll call vote. 2806 01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:10,560 » Roll call vote. 2807 01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:11,430 >> President Pal, 2808 01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:11,440 » President Pal, 2809 01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:11,910 >> I. 2810 01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:11,920 » I. 2811 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,030 >> Vice President Estrada, 2812 01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:13,040 » Vice President Estrada, 2813 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:13,430 >> yes. 2814 01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:13,440 » yes. 2815 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:14,390 >> Director Biano, 2816 01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:14,400 » Director Biano, 2817 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:14,709 >> I. 2818 01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:14,719 » I. 2819 01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:16,149 >> Director Aguilar, 2820 01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:16,159 » Director Aguilar, 2821 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:16,550 >> yes. 2822 01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:16,560 » yes. 2823 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:17,990 >> And director Nelson, 2824 01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:18,000 » And director Nelson, 2825 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,669 >> I pass 50. 2826 01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:19,679 » I pass 50. 2827 01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:21,350 >> General manager report. Yes, there are 2828 01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:21,360 » General manager report. Yes, there are 2829 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,560 just a couple things um on the ID8 uh 2830 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,320 Mission Springs Water District has asked 2831 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,000 that we go out and do some outreach with 2832 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,400 the uh community council meetings. So, 2833 01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,080 we've coordinated with the supervisor's 2834 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,080 office and I'll be doing two of those 2835 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,800 today. Desert Edge and Sky Valley and 2836 01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,159 then India Hills will be tentatively on 2837 01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:45,199 the 27th. Um so, I think uh that we 2838 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:46,719 just go out and say a couple of things 2839 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:48,400 and answer some questions and see where 2840 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,639 that goes. That's all I've got. Thank 2841 01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:52,560 you. Council report. 2842 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,070 >> Yes. Uh SB827 went into effect the first 2843 01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:56,080 » Yes. Uh SB827 went into effect the first 2844 01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,080 of the year. It has two components. The 2845 01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,159 first component is as you know all board 2846 01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,639 members are required to do AB 1234 2847 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:05,760 training uh within one year of taking 2848 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,120 office and then every two years 2849 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,639 thereafter. 2850 01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:10,639 This bill changed that so that new 2851 01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:12,639 members of the board have to meet that 2852 01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,199 requirement in the first six months. But 2853 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,840 the other uh main part of AB 1234 is 2854 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,320 that it now applies to department heads 2855 01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,719 and administrative officers of the of 2856 01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:24,800 the district, not just the the elected 2857 01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,719 board of directors. 2858 01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:29,920 Uh the other part of SP827 deals with a 2859 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,760 new requirement for some additional 2860 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,520 training on financial training 2861 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:34,800 requirements and that will be the 2862 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,320 subject of your finance committee 2863 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,159 meeting and a future board meeting. Uh 2864 01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:40,159 so more to come on that. Thank you. 2865 01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:42,390 >> Thank you. 2866 01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:42,400 » Thank you. 2867 01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:43,840 Any department reports? 2868 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,629 >> Yes, sir. We have one uh two. Okay, we 2869 01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:46,639 » Yes, sir. We have one uh two. Okay, we 2870 01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:47,280 have two. 2871 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:47,990 >> Wow. 2872 01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:48,000 » Wow. 2873 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,830 >> Well, Joanne has asked first to 2874 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:49,840 » Well, Joanne has asked first to 2875 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:51,199 introduce a new employee. 2876 01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:54,310 >> Oh, great. 2877 01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:54,320 » Oh, great. 2878 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,709 >> Yes, we're very excited to have Kristen 2879 01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:56,719 » Yes, we're very excited to have Kristen 2880 01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:58,800 Thomas. She's our new environmental 2881 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,199 services administrator, water quality 2882 01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:02,880 and compliance, who should lead our 2883 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,080 water quality um monitoring and the 2884 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,000 laboratory team. 2885 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,910 >> Welcome. Great. Welcome. 2886 01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:09,920 » Welcome. Great. Welcome. 2887 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,310 >> Welcome. 2888 01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:12,320 » Welcome. 2889 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,109 >> Yeah. Thank you. have no words. Dan 2890 01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:15,119 » Yeah. Thank you. have no words. Dan 2891 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,270 >> and then Dan, 2892 01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:17,280 » and then Dan, 2893 01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,750 >> apologize to Jim. I didn't announce that 2894 01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:19,760 » apologize to Jim. I didn't announce that 2895 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,119 I was going to speak, but um 2896 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,189 >> it's okay. I saw your hand. 2897 01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:23,199 » it's okay. I saw your hand. 2898 01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,189 >> Uh so we have a little situation on the 2899 01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:25,199 » Uh so we have a little situation on the 2900 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:26,719 canal we're dealing with. I just wanted 2901 01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:30,080 to let you guys know. Um as you know, we 2902 01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,880 built a mid canal to get rid of half the 2903 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,840 clay area whereby we have cracking. We 2904 01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:37,360 have another five, six miles of 2905 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,480 cracking, four upstream, one downstream. 2906 01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:43,520 So I'm on the CCLP with San Diego. Uh we 2907 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,280 agreed to do an inspection. We did the 2908 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,600 inspection on Thursday after the rains. 2909 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,760 As we drew the water down, there was a 2910 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,159 there was a lot of water in the clay 2911 01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,480 behind some of the canal. So it did a 2912 01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,560 rotational slip like two or three 2913 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,080 hundred feet on one side and couple 2914 01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,360 sections a couple hundred feet in the 2915 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,080 other side. So we've been working uh to 2916 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,000 get the water down two feet deep. We've 2917 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,960 been pouring uh shot over rip wrap for 2918 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,800 the 14 hours a day, Friday, Saturday, 2919 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,440 and yesterday. So, we're just struggling 2920 01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:14,239 to um we're still pouring concrete at 2921 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:17,600 6:00 p.m. and we put water on it at uh 2922 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,239 at about 9:30. So, we're struggling to 2923 01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:21,920 get our orders for the next few days. 2924 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,199 So, I just want to give you a heads up. 2925 01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:26,639 We're trying to ask the users to prorate 2926 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:28,639 wherever possible or if it dates just 2927 01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:30,480 postpone a couple days to get our 2928 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,880 delivery down, float off the lake 2929 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,800 wherever possible downstream, stack the 2930 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,480 canal. But, it's going to be a struggle. 2931 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,159 Uh we hope to have this done by Friday, 2932 01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:39,760 but the next couple days might be a 2933 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,639 little light on orders. So don't yell. 2934 01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:44,800 It's all good. We got it under control. 2935 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,639 And in the end, um the inspection is 2936 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:49,600 going to be great because um once we 2937 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,520 have the GPS locations of where the 2938 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,080 cracking is actually taking place, uh 2939 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,239 we'll do a contract document. San Diego 2940 01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,080 and the San Louis Ray will pay for it. 2941 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:02,159 it'll likely uh be out to bid and in 2942 01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:06,320 like October of 26 uh hopefully awarding 2943 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,440 u by December. Just wanted to give you a 2944 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:10,560 heads up that we're going to be a little 2945 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,400 light the next few days that summer. 2946 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,229 >> We planned the inspection so that it was 2947 01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:16,239 » We planned the inspection so that it was 2948 01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:18,400 in this this time frame to be cool, but 2949 01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,719 we did not anticipate to have this 2950 01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:22,080 situation. 2951 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,430 >> Thanks, Dan. 2952 01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:23,440 » Thanks, Dan. 2953 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:23,990 >> Thanks. 2954 01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:24,000 » Thanks. 2955 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,590 >> Thanks. 2956 01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:25,600 » Thanks. 2957 01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,480 Any any L? Yeah, we got two. Might as 2958 01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:29,920 well do three. [laughter] 2959 01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:30,390 >> No, 2960 01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:30,400 » No, 2961 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:31,590 >> we should have all of the department 2962 01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:31,600 » we should have all of the department 2963 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,679 head. No, that's okay. 2964 01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:35,590 >> Well, thank you then. So, we do not have 2965 01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:35,600 » Well, thank you then. So, we do not have 2966 01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,719 a close session for today's meeting. And 2967 01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:40,719 so, with no further business, we are 2968 01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:43,719 adjourned.