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All right. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the February 2nd town council meeting. If everybody would join me for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you, Margaret. Would you call the role, please? Mike was well here. Mary Isaac here. Steven's play here.

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Bill Mecca, Anne Sather, Jennifer Winchell, Christina Larris, Richard Wolf, Jason Marsh, Anthony

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Dorsey, Ashley Gaudiano, Carl Massaro, John Foreman, Thomas Barotterick, Matt Dunn, Joy

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Cologne, Brian Walsh, Kevin Kelly Melozi, Tony Sinto, Jared Ferrari, and Nicole Satt,

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here. Thank you. We'll move along to approval of minutes of the January 12th town council meeting.

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Do I have a motion to approve those minutes? Nikki in a second. Thank you. Any discussion?

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All in favor of those opposed? Any abstentions? Okay. Thank you.

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We are going to do a recognition first and foremost.

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We are going to recognize Rob LeBrandi this evening, and I'm just going to read briefly

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about Rob's successes, and then we'll bring him up front real quick.

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In November, our town planner, Mr. LeBrandi, competed in the World Martial Arts Games held

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in Oslo, Norway.

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Rob competed in the men's heavyweight black belt breaking division.

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He received three gold medals and the Grand Champion Ultimate Breaker Award for most

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material broken by all the athletes.

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He is the only athlete to ever win the Ultimate Breaker Award in two different world games.

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Rob also served as the head coach for the U.S. New England team.

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The United States competed with 32 other countries and won the most gold medals of any country.

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So congratulations, Rob, on your successes.

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I know that I have had the pleasure of seeing you at competitions.

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My son does martial arts as well.

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And so we've gotten to see Rob in his gear in often working

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and really what a wonderful honor for you.

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So Rob, I don't know if you want to come up to the podium and share

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anything about that experience.

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And then we'll present you with a certificate.

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Rob Labrani, 22, Griswalt, planning a zoning commission.

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No, I don't know what to play.

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It's weird to be up here and not over there, but it's, I do appreciate thank you, Chairman Guariano.

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Thank you to our first selectman and all the staff.

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I do appreciate everything you do.

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I don't like to talk about Karate because it just makes me nervous.

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My wife is here.

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She laughs all the time.

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She's like his face is going to get red, but I do appreciate it.

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But this has been a long training experience.

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It's great for our school and for our town because we were the only training facility in the Northeast.

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We had a team of 25 individuals that they had to do tryouts.

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They came from as far as California to come try out.

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We had them from Vermont, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and a few other states as well too.

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So it was great to have a large amount of people that came to trial for the USA team here.

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Our delegation was around 25.

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All of them did amazingly well.

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I have one of my athletes here too, who was born and raised in trouble, Patrick Gerserney.

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He's a master belt here.

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I told him to wear his uniform, but he wouldn't, he wouldn't fall for that, unfortunately.

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But it was, it was great to represent the United States and the town of Trumbull and

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our state with something that doesn't involve politics or religion or anything like that.

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Just good time.

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We met so many great people from around the world who feel the same way we do, that it's

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all about love and working together and being better and making ourselves better, and that's

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what martial arts is all about.

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So I do thank the town and I just want to say a few things.

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It's our third anniversary at Trumble Academy of Karate, but the help of the town we've grown

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substantially. We have over 60 students now. We've been featured on ESPN, which is kind of crazy.

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If you look at our website, you can watch our video on ESPN. And we have amazing students.

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We don't make a lot of money, but that's not what it's all about. My goal is for the next year to

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have some scholarships for children that can afford tuition. That may be that we can press that

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and get that going hopefully soon. I would like to thank our sponsors, my landlord,

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The best landlord ever, he sponsored our team.

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And I do thank him, I do thank the town as well for all their support.

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And it's hopefully we get this thing going again, and we do his job

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and we did last time, so I do thank you so much.

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Appreciate it.

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Congratulations, Rob.

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Mickey, do you have anything?

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Do you want to come up?

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Sure.

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So I'm sorry.

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Do you want to-

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PEP.

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Welcome you.

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The girls too.

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Hi, man.

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Sorry.

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Oh, you're just, I sometimes, though.

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So I perhaps have to town.

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David, so much needs to have you and so many.

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Right here.

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Well, I think you can't be here.

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Also, as an employer.

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I'm a job for.

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We feel very safe.

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So just congratulations to you, just to your family, because you have a nice, well,

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Ben Chiu, on behalf of the town of Troma, a little bit certificate.

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And I know you really want this pen.

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Yes.

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Well, because that's one day that I'm out of my mind.

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So I want to give them another round of applause.

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He's crushed on that.

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right. So we are going to move along to public comment this evening since this is really

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the first meeting of the new town council session where we have a nice full audience.

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I am going to just read the rules regarding public comment. These are our town council rules.

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We welcome comment from the public on the agenda of each meeting of the town council period shall be set aside and designated during the meeting for an as an opportunity for the public to address the council on item scheduled to be considered on the agenda.

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The chairman, that's me at my discretion, may limit the time allotment for public comment and may limit individual comment to a maximum of two minutes.

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that speakers may not yield any portion of their time.

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Any citizen speaking should identify themselves by name and address.

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If the speaker is speaking for a group or organization, they may state that as well.

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Written statements presented by speakers during public comment can be included in the minutes of the meeting.

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Immediate replies to questions concerned are not expected.

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The town council will not permit any expression of personal complaints or

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defamatory comments about town council members nor against any person connected with the town of Trumbull.

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or any individual firm or corporation.

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And so this evening we are going to limit comments

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really to about two minutes, two and a half minutes.

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Please try and abide by that so that we can get through as many comments as possible.

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If you, you know, agree with somebody else and just want to echo your agreement,

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you're welcome to do so.

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And then again, just ask that everybody keep comments respectful this evening.

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So with that, I will grab the sheet and we will get started.

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Anybody

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who wants to speak, write their name on here.

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All right.

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First, we have Patricia Kelly.

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Patricia Kelly, 15 gives an avenue.

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Good evening, everybody.

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I'm here to speak in regard to the police commission.

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Not sure what the real reason is for replacing these three men that have given their all to

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this town and the department.

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I find it highly suspect that you suddenly relieve them of their positions without good reasons.

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I looked at the list of who you want to choose to replace them with, and it's not surprising

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you chose the same people you always do. You just pass them around from commission to commission,

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and they push your agenda. When the Republicans issued a statement in regards to this matter,

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the rebuttal invoked national news, very inappropriate, and absolutely a non-response.

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So thank you, Angela, Ray, and Christian, for always serving within integrity,

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and may it be a lesson for others in this room.

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Thank you, Ms. Kelly, Chris Petnella.

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Any trouble to our council?

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Chris Petnella, 69, Churchill Road.

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I just want to make one thing clear before it really starts.

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I stand in many of us behind me, stand with our law enforcement here in Trumbull, a hundred

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percent.

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But I am in strong disapproval of the sort of administration's choice to politicize the

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role of our police commissioners.

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I think it's actually undermining the trust that the public has with our town and our

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law enforcement.

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I like the town council members to not overlook the service of former first-selectman, veteran police officer, commissioner Ray Baldwin,

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business owner, and lifelong volunteer, Angelo Maglioco, and lifelong resident Christian, and commissioner of Christian trips.

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Typically, when someone's appointed commission, if you're doing a good job, you're reappointed, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, we've heard that one before.

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And if eight years you want to consider it lifelong, I just think we should think.

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about really coming from a person with maybe five years, almost 10 years of service.

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That's a little more than eight, but that's all right.

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If we look at other commissions in this town, we see vastly longer 10 years.

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According to town records, Inland Wetlands Commission has two commissioners, one with 15 years of service.

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Another with over 25 years of service, and then Parks and

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Red Commission has a commissioner with over 41 years of service.

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It don't get me wrong, I'm commending these folks for their service at a town.

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but you don't need like a law to agree to see the double standard there.

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If lifelong service is a problem, then it should be a problem everywhere.

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And if it isn't, I just think that it's not about tenure, it's actually about control.

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So all I'm asking is quite frankly, I think it's reasonable, is transparency.

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But going into the vote, don't forget that Tim Harps, when elected, he appointed Mr.

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Soreau to the Board of Finance after she ran against him and lost.

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So I think that's really what putting the town before politics is like.

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So the overpolitization of our law enforcement here is sad.

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And standard shouldn't depend on who's holding the gavel, Mr. Chairman, thank you.

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Thank you, and Mr. White, I believe you're the third name on here.

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Richard White, 169 Churchill Road.

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I'm glad that the town council is taking the time to reach out to the town about what they're looking for in a future senior center, community center.

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And I'd suggest including questions on an aquatic facility.

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I'd also suggest that you hold small group meetings with recent and past Trumbull Pisces Board members as well as representatives of the various neighborhoods you're considering.

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Although the survey questions were not included in the minutes, I hope that the town council will have a chance to review the actual questions before sending out the survey, that the survey results will be made available for public review before moving forward.

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It is not beyond doubt that our charter allows us to actually bond anything related to a senior center and community center, given the failed bonding referendum.

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That doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't move forward, only that it is dubious that we can bond these costs.

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It is my understanding that the town council is looking at four options on three properties, like new renovation or new structure of Priscilla Place.

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one of the existing plans for Grace Church properties or one of the existing plans for the hardy lane properties.

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Happy Groundhog Day.

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Each of these properties is spatially constrained.

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Normal planning and zoning setbacks that would have been strictly enforced for similar non-menaceable projects were ignored.

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Grace Church had structures, driveways, and parking that was within 20 feet of residential properties.

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Hardy lane had the main entrance roundabout being less than 10 feet from an existing residential driveway.

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And Priscilla Price has the often stated need to purchase up to eight residential properties.

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Each of these properties is environmentally constrained with wetlands and water courses on each of the properties and zero formal wetlands commission review.

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One of the properties looks to be built or rebuilt on a piped intermittent stream, something that has recently been denied to private developers.

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2. To the properties of but our town's most important natural resource and one of those

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properties is polluted and contaminated fill based on an incomplete study of hardy

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lane that needs to be greatly expanded in scope.

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Each of these properties is pedestrian traffic constrained.

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We have one traffic engineer and traffic report stating that, quote, if you're expecting three pedestrians or 30 pedestrians, you're going to need a metered crosswalk. When asked repeatedly for a state warrant granting the crosswalk, the neighbors were told zero problem, but that will happen later. Later, another traffic engineer and traffic report stated that there was zero chance the town would ever get a state warrant granting a crossroad on the exact same classification of road less than two miles away.

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Well, any of these properties be granted what a licensed engineered stated was a requirement for this type of project in a residential neighborhood.

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Finally, I'm disappointed that we continue to look at two small, environmentally questionable and traffic constrained properties.

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Please open up consideration to larger town owned properties, as well as vacant and available commercial space.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anybody here? Anybody else here this evening for public comment?

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Okay, seeing none, we will

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get to the resolutions this evening. We have a presenter online and so I would like

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to move to CC31-23 out of order. So if I could have a motion to take that out of order, thank

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Thank you, Councilman Cologne, and a second.

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Thank you.

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All in favor of moving that out of order?

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Any opposed?

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Thank you.

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All right, Mr. Bragic, would you bring TC31-23 to the floor, please?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Resolution TC31-23, be it resolved that the Sienna Research Institute

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is hereby designated as the consultant

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to conduct a survey of tremble residents

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to gather resident input that will inform evaluation,

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Planning and next steps are related to a potential senior and or community center.

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Thank you and do it.

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Second, thank you, committee report.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The committee considered hiring CNA Research Institute to survey residents on potential senior and community centers.

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The survey would cost $25,000.

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The survey aims to gather public input for planning future projects.

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the need to address the failing senior center and the importance of senior programming was emphasized.

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The Public Works Committee will work with Sienna on the survey and will present it to the full

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council. The council, as a whole, will determine how to handle the survey results and what should

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happen next. It was explained the resolution designates Sienna Research Institute as the consultant

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and would be funded by the one-year bond issue and authorization, not the general fund,

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unless it was decided it should come from the general fund. It was suggested to pass the resolution

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without recommendations since Sienna will be present at the full council meeting and further

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discussion is needed. Moved by Marsh, seconded by broad direct to pass without recommendation,

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vote motion carried by unanimous consent. Thank you very much.

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All right so on the Zoom screen this evening we have Megan Crawford who is with Sienna Institute.

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She has a presentation for us this evening and so I will turn it over to her in one second.

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Again, Sienna has entered into and Megan and Dan correct me if I'm wrong in the language,

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but Sienna Institute has recently entered into a strategic partnership with a company

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called Recon MR and so they are now the vendor of record for Sienna Institute and so we will

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need to amend this resolution to substitute Recon MR as the name instead of Sienna Institute.

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But everybody received a letter in addition to the proposal stating and explaining the

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need to change and substitute that name.

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I'm happy to wait to do that so that if there's any questions about that shift or that

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partnership between Sienna and Ricanna, we can ask that later.

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And so, Megan, what I think I'll do is turn it over to you to do your presentation.

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If she can get through her slides, we'll take questions.

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and then we'll do the motion to amend with the new name.

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So that's not good?

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All right, Megan, the floor is all yours.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you for having me this evening.

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My name is Megan Crawford.

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I'm the Director of Data Management

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at the C&R Research Institute,

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which is also now part of ReconMR.

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I will go ahead and share my screen.

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So I will be sharing with you a little bit about background

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of who we are, the C&R Research Institute

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and also a little bit about public opinion polling.

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So the CNR Research Institute is a public opinion

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and survey research center affiliated

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with CME University in Albany, New York.

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We were founded in 1980,

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and we focus on high-quality nonpartisan research

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on a wide range of topics.

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SRI conducts regional, statewide, and national surveys

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that measure public opinion, expert views,

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and social trends on issues such as economics,

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politics, politics, voter attitudes, business, health, education and social concerns.

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These surveys include both general public sampling and targeted expert polling.

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We are perhaps best known for political and public policy polling, for example, the

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CNN New York poll, which is a regular snapshot of voter attitudes across New York state,

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as well as other long-running indicators such as the New York state index of consumer sentiment.

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We also work on custom research projects for government agencies, nonprofits, businesses,

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and community groups.

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These can range from health and quality of life studies to economic and civic engagement

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research.

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As of the beginning of this year, 2026, SRI has entered a strategic partnership with a national

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polling firm, ReconMR, expanding our reach, analytic capacity, and operational efficiency,

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while maintaining our academic integrity and continuing to produce rigorous

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research. So we also have a lot of experience working in healthcare and

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medical industry with different regional hospitals located primarily in New

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York State. We also worked with a number of health departments within the state

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different counties also the State Department of Health in New York and in

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Maryland as well. We've worked in different support services such as the Community Hospice

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and different tobacco-free coalitions throughout the state of New York.

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So since 2013, SRI and the New York Times have collaborated to conduct and publish major

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public opinion polls branded as the New York Times Seattle polls. The first joint polls were

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for the 2013 New York City mayoral race. The collaboration expanded over subsequent elections

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to include national polling, including surveys of registered or likely voters across the United States and polls on presidential, congressional and other major races.

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In 2018, the partnership even launched real-time polling on key house battleground districts, sharing results live on the times and CNS websites, something that no major media organization had done before.

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The New York Times and SRI design field and analyze polls that measure voter preferences,

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approval ratings, attitudes on issues, and political trends. SRI does the data collection

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in statistical work, and the Times provides journalistic context, analysis, and publication

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through its website. According to poll aggregators like 538, the New York Times

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SRI have been among the most accurate and well-rated in the nation, often earning top statistical

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ratings for low-era and strong methodology compared to other major pollsters.

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So in addition, we've done a lot of community and municipal polling as well.

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For example, I'll focus a little bit on our work with Data Haven. Data Haven is a non-profit

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research organization based in the state of Connecticut that collects analyzes and shares data

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about local communities to help policymakers, nonprofits, and citizens make informed decisions

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about quality of life, equity, health, and economic opportunity.

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to conduct large, scientifically rigorous surveys

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that measure neighborhood-level

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and statewide community well-being.

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SRI carries out the surveys, handling the data collection

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by telephone and web interviews, sampling,

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and statistical waiting, so results are accurate and representative.

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In addition to specific experience in the state of Connecticut, we've conducted several small local municipal level surveys about specific initiatives and proposals.

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We've done a survey with a local fire district about building a new fire house and their bond vote.

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We've local leaders wanted to understand how the voters felt about this new fire house.

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We also conducted a poll to measure public opinion among local residents about the construction of cell phone towers.

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specifically whether residents wanted better cell coverage and which of two proposed

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tower sites they preferred.

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So I'll talk to you a little bit about polling. So what is a poll?

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A poll is a systematic way of measuring public opinion. It uses a sample to represent a larger

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population. A poll is not a guess or a show of hands. It is a structured measurement tool. Instead

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of asking everyone we ask a carefully selected group and use that to understand the whole

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population. Poles are used far beyond elections to shape policy, evaluate programs, and understand

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lived experiences.

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So why does polling matter? It gives voice to the public, it informs decisions

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in policy, and attracts changes over time. One polling provides scientific perspective using precision,

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reliability, and sampling theory to measure the unobservable. It gives social perspective,

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giving equal voice to the public

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and giving them all the chance to be heard.

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It provides a business perspective,

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understanding what people want,

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to help minimize risk,

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and make sure people's needs align

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with what is being offered.

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It provides a civic perspective.

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Pulling strengthens democracy

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by holding leaders accountable,

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prioritizing urgent issues

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and concerns,

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and informing citizens of diverse views within the community.

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Polling allows people who may never attend a meeting or contact an official to still be heard.

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Decision makers rely on polling to understand priorities, needs, and concerns.

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In a democracy, polling is one way leaders can listen systematically, not just to those with the loudest

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platform.

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Population versus samples. So the population is everyone you want to study. The sample is a

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a smaller group representing that population

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with the goal of being accuracy through representation.

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The population might be something

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like Connecticut voters or parents of school age children.

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Serving the entire population is usually impossible

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or too expensive.

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A well chosen sample can give us very accurate results.

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A sample is drawn so that every member of the population

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has a known chance of selection.

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Survey results are based on a sample, not the entire population.

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When residents or voters are selected randomly and

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representatively, a survey of about 400 people can accurately

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reflect the views of all voters regionally.

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So I like to use the analogy of tasting a spoonful of soup.

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You don't need the whole pot if the spoonfuls will mix.

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So the survey works a lot like tasting this pot of soup.

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You don't have to drink the whole pot to know whether it needs more salt.

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You just need one good spoonful that's been well mixed.

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In polling, that spoonful is a randomly selected group of residents.

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If the sample is chosen correctly, it can tell us a great deal about the whole community.

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So why not just interview people outside a grocery store?

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Because you've only catch people who shop at that specific time.

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You miss workers, homebound seniors, and others who don't happen to shop there.

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that is not a representative sample.

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Scientific polling cases diversity,

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it doesn't wait for it on the street corner.

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It ensures that demographics,

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such as age, gender, and education are balanced.

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The result is a mathematically accurate,

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mini-view of the community.

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So how samples are selected?

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Random selection is key.

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Representative NIS matters more than size.

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Random selection means everyone

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in the population has a known chance of being selected.

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Today, many surveys use a mix of methods

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to reach different types of people.

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A sample of 400 well-selected respondents

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is usually better than 10,000 poorly selected ones.

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The goal is not volume, it's balance.

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A survey of about 400 residents is a standard

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professional sample size for local government surveys.

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What matters is how these 400 people are selected,

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not the total population.

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Whether a town has 5,000 residents or 50,000 residents,

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a properly selected random sample of 400 can still be accurate.

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This works because statistics rely on probability, not volume.

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the right questions.

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You want to use clear and neutral wording,

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and you want to make sure there's one idea per question.

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Question wording can strongly influence responses.

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You want to avoid leading language or emotionally loaded terms.

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So for example, you wouldn't want to ask something like do you support the unfair tax

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hike?

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You'd want to make sure the question was neutral, something like do you favor or propose

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the proposed tax changes.

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You also want to make sure that there's one idea for question, you don't want to avoid

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a double barreled question, such as do you support the budget and the tax increase, because

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Because you don't know if people support it or oppose it, are they supporting.

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Both are they supporting one or they supporting the other? So you'd want to make that two questions to make sure that you gauge the support for the budget and also the tax increase. Response, response choices should also allow people to accurately express their views. You want to make sure that you have equal, you want to make sure if it's, you've got strongly favor in favor, you want to make sure you have opposed and strongly opposed as well. When wording is neutral,

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and options are balanced. This spoonful of soup remains pure. We ensure the results are fair

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and honest representation of the public's voice.

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So we use a mixed mode strategy when fielding our surveys.

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We use landline and cell phones and we call people on the telephone. We text them on their cell phone

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with a link to participate. If they don't respond, we follow up with a phone call.

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Other polling that we've done can also involve mailing out a survey or using online

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panelist or garner participation. Careful field work helps reduce bias. For our telephone

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calling, we will call people multiple times on various days and at various times to solicit

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participation. We want to ensure that we catch people when they are available and give them

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multiple avenues to participate.

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Waiting the data. Even strong samples rarely match the population

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perfectly. Wading adjusts for differences in age, gender, race, education, and

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region, for example. This helps ensure results better reflect the real

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population. So for example, maybe the sample you collect has 55% women and

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45% men, when in fact the true makeup of the population is slightly

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different. What we will do is ensure that the final results match the true

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demographic makeup of the population we are studying. If our sample has too many women and not

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enough men, compared to the census, we mathematically weight the data to balance it. This ensures the

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final result looks like the actual town, not just the people who answer the phone. Waiting is a

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corrective tool, not a way to manipulate outcomes.

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So margin of error. The margin of error tells us how

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precise the estimate is. A result of 45% support does not mean exactly 45%. It means it is likely a

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range. So the margin of error for example is if that's plus or minus 3%. If a poll says 45%

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with a 3 point margin of error, the true number is likely between 42 and 48%.

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So for planning purposes

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is like deciding whether there is a broad support or identifying priorities, the level

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of precision is more than sufficient. By increasing the sample size, you can decrease

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the margin of error. But in order to cut the margin of error in half, you must quadruple

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the work.

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So why is 400 enough? What matters is how people are selected, not total population

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relationship size. A properly selected random sample of 400 is accurate for a small region

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of 5,000 to say 50,000 residents. At 400 respondents, the margin of error is plus or

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minus 5%. This is sufficient for identifying community priorities.

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We use waiting to ensure

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that the final results will reflect the count's actual demographics.

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Public meetings typically

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you track those who are the most passionate. Surveys, reach seniors, caregivers, busy parents,

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and those with mobility challenges. A survey complements public input. It does not replace it.

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So you also want to make sure that you are a smart consumer of polls.

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Always look beyond the headline number. Transparency is a key indicator of quality.

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asking a few basic questions can tell you whether a poll is trustworthy. Who

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conducted the survey? How was the survey conducted? What were the questions and

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when was the survey done? A well-conducted public opinion poll will be fully

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transparent and supply all of those answers. We at the CNR Research Institute

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belong to APORE, the American Association of Public Opinion Research, with other

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well-respected pollsters like Gallup, Pew Research, Quinnipiac, Marist, and others.

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We subscribe to the Transparency Initiative, which requires that we supply all of these

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answers with every poll that we release.

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Polls are powerful tools when conducted and interpreted responsibly.

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Only doesn't rely on talking to everyone.

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It relies on talking to the right people in the right way.

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Okay, so this is my contact information if anybody would like to invite you in.

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Welcome.

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Well, we will circulate that contact information and certainly the presentation as well

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tomorrow.

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What I would like to do first and foremost is get this motion amended with the correct

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name.

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So if there are any questions around why we need to amend the resolution, feel free to ask

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But otherwise, I'd like to amend it, and then we'll go into discussion on the amended resolution.

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So, can I have a motion to amend to replace the name Sienna Institute with Recon MR?

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Thank you, Councilman.

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The original in a second.

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Thank you, any questions, any discussion on that?

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Okay, all in favor of that motion to amend?

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Any opposed?

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00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Okay, great.

455
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,940
All right, now we can do discussion on the resolution as amended.

456
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:16,180
Those questions for Megan, please feel free to ask.

457
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Councilman Cento.

458
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:21,340
Hi, how are you?

459
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,580
How many calls do you have to make to get one person on the phone?

460
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,400
More than we would like.

461
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,820
What's an example?

462
00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:36,360
Typically, you're talking several

463
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:41,050
hundred, usually.

464
00:36:41,050 --> 00:37:02,150
You know, our typical response rates vary, but we usually, our response rates are in the single digits, meaning that it's approximately, you know, five to seven percent of the people that we call actually complete the survey.

465
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,570
So in a survey like this, how many phone calls would you have to make to get the sample

466
00:37:10,570 --> 00:37:11,490
size that you'd like?

467
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:20,690
Yeah, the 400 probably in the neighborhood of 10 to 15,000 telephone numbers.

468
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,000
That's more than the whole town.

469
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:31,920
Yes.

470
00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:37,500
So we'll have to do multiple call back attempts.

471
00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:44,660
I did reach out to the sample provider. I don't have a number in front of me at the moment

472
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:50,740
to get counts of how many telephone numbers they had available for the town of Trumple.

473
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:56,310
It was sufficient enough to be able to garner the response that we needed.

474
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:57,250
Thank you.

475
00:37:57,570 --> 00:38:03,410
And Megan, that's part of why you will do both calls and texts, right, to be able to get

476
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:06,150
those numbers over and over and over until somebody responds.

477
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:11,950
We will make multiple attempts with the same telephone number a different times of day.

478
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:17,190
And we will also send text messages hoping to get people to respond.

479
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:20,530
And if they don't respond by a text, we will follow up with a phone call.

480
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:25,470
Councilman Dorsey, and then I saw some back row folks.

481
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:31,890
So just roughly, if you have to make 10 to 15,000 calls to get the 400.

482
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:37,710
roughly how long do you think that how long will it take for that to happen?

483
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:41,350
We typically like to be in the field no more than a week.

484
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,180
And what happens if you don't get to the 400, you just keep going?

485
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,680
We would keep going beyond that. I'm fairly confident just given our experience with the state of Connecticut

486
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:01,660
and when I was able to get from the sample provider that we will be able to get close to 400.

487
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:05,240
Yeah, I'm, you know, within a week.

488
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,380
Okay, just one final question for me.

489
00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:12,420
Has Sienna ever worked with the town of Trumbull

490
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:14,040
for any surveys in the past?

491
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,360
No, we have not.

492
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,740
Okay, thank you.

493
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,800
No, and their name came to me through data haven in my work

494
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,860
with data haven outside of the town.

495
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:27,040
They were a recommendation from them.

496
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:29,980
And there was in the proposal that was circulated,

497
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:33,380
there is a timeline laid out in there, or a proposed timeline.

498
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:39,320
A lot of that depends on how quickly we as a town council work with them to develop the survey,

499
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,760
right? They aren't going to develop the survey in isolation. That'll be a collaboration.

500
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,600
So some of that timeline is really going to require us to have some meetings ahead of time.

501
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Councilman Buzzhaw and then Councilman Winchel.

502
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,780
Hi, Megan, thank you.

503
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,480
Who would anybody be helping you with the questions that you would be putting on this survey?

504
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:07,040
for instance, would you be gathering any feedback from the town of Trumble, from the town council, or even more importantly, the building committee that is in place?

505
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:21,600
We would work with whoever it was on the town of Trumble's side who presented us, we would work collaboratively with whoever on the town of Trumble's side is responsible for writing the survey.

506
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:30,180
We would use best practices and offer our expertise as to how to word questions, make

507
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:35,340
sure that they're fairly balanced and written in such a way so that they're not biased.

508
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:45,340
But we would work with whoever it is on your side that has input into how the questions

509
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:46,180
should be asked.

510
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:48,200
Thank you.

511
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:55,320
And my intention is that this run, again, through the Public Works Committee, that the Public Works Committee be the one to develop this.

512
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:04,900
Certainly, there can be opportunity to speak with building committee architect for all of the people who have had lots of experience over the last many number of years.

513
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:09,120
But that the Public Works Committee will be the one to develop this survey.

514
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:11,840
Councilman Winchell.

515
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Thank you for coming this evening.

516
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:18,180
How long will the survey take to take?

517
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:25,440
Once you get all these folks lined up, how long is someone expected to work on that with

518
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:25,600
you?

519
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,320
Yeah.

520
00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:30,340
The survey itself, we generally don't like to do surveys that are too long.

521
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,880
We typically like to keep the survey to, at most, about 15 minutes on the telephone.

522
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,740
I believe that's what the timeframes that you're looking for.

523
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:46,520
Yeah, we try to keep the survey to know more than 15 minutes in length.

524
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,220
Okay, thank you.

525
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:48,440
Yeah.

526
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,560
We'll go Councilman Foreman and then Councilman Isaac.

527
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Thank you.

528
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:55,880
Megan, I, through your presentation there,

529
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,020
if I understand this correctly with the 400 respondents,

530
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:01,280
there's a margin and error of approximately five points or whatnot.

531
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:07,200
And then you use some sort of a waiting system as well to help maybe narrow that down to a degree.

532
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,480
If I understand that correctly, more importantly, can you talk to us a little bit more about this

533
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,280
waiting process?

534
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Yeah, absolutely.

535
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:19,440
So, you know, we will draw a random sample and we will survey the population.

536
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:24,520
But, you know, the census will determine, you know, the census says, you know, here's

537
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,680
the break-up, the demographic break-up of the town of Trumbull.

538
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:33,580
And, you know, it's got, I'm sorry, I did not brush up on my census on the town of Trumbull.

539
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:42,900
but maybe it's 52% women, 48% men, and say the survey that we developed after we finished with

540
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:48,780
our responses, say women tend to respond to surveys at a greater likelihood than men.

541
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:57,240
So maybe the survey that we have has a greater percentage of women than 52%, maybe there's 58%

542
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:03,380
of women and only 42% of men. So what we'll do is we'll weigh our data such that it represents

543
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:06,980
the actual demographic profile of the town of Trumple.

544
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,920
So what we'll do is we'll wait the women down slightly

545
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,860
and wait the men up slightly.

546
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,900
So the woman's responsible counts slightly less,

547
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:19,140
and a man's responsible counts slightly more.

548
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:20,940
That makes sense.

549
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:23,000
Another question.

550
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:27,400
Other than gender, are you going to have different sort of bins,

551
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:28,760
you know, based on age?

552
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:32,680
Is there any sort of even party affiliation that goes into your

553
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,400
research? Yeah I mean it'll it'll have to depend upon you know who are serving

554
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,820
our research I believe we're serving residents not registered voters so we

555
00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:49,080
will ask party either party registration or party affiliation we generally

556
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,980
don't wait by party affiliation we can't wait by party registration just because

557
00:43:53,980 --> 00:44:00,380
that's a known we will wait by typically it's you know your standard age

558
00:44:00,380 --> 00:44:10,060
gender, race, ethnicity, and education as well, just to make sure that we have a well-balanced

559
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,100
demographic makeup of the town.

560
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:14,180
Okay.

561
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:15,580
I'm just one other thing.

562
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,880
I just noticed that there's these research all given in English.

563
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:24,140
Is there a reason for no Spanish speaking included in this research?

564
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:28,820
That wasn't part of the proposal that I was asked to submit.

565
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:40,320
The Spanish is generally a higher cost as because of translation and also interviewing in Spanish is a little bit more expensive.

566
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:46,740
Just thinking about being fully representative of the population, but thank you.

567
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,820
Councilman Isaac.

568
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,060
Do you find a few send out, I don't know if you do this typically, through the towns that

569
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:59,980
they'll put a push out to say that the survey is coming out, that people are...

570
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:27,880
Any more prone to pick their phones up because they're aware, and then when the phone number comes in, is it identified as Sienna or Recon so that people know who it is or extent of sometimes things come up as a spam? Or would it be listed as Trumble? How does that work? Yeah, those are really good questions. We find any advanced notice that can be given is very helpful. Anything that can drive up people's participation and willingness to pick up the phone.

571
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920
It's one of the things that we battle on a regular basis.

572
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:36,480
The caller ID that's going to go out will likely just be state of Connecticut telephone

573
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,100
numbers.

574
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:43,160
And the reason that we have to do that that way is because when it's just one telephone

575
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:49,460
number that's gone out, the telephone companies have an algorithm, which we are not privy

576
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:49,700
to.

577
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:55,720
And if enough people flag it as spam, it that gets flagged as spam and we have no records

578
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:56,560
to change that.

579
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:04,940
So we will go out with the wide range of Connecticut telephone numbers, so as to not get flat as spam.

580
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:25,140
Thank you. And then also, if you are texting people, is there an option? If someone decides I'm not going to answer it for whatever reason, they didn't vote, they don't feel they know enough, or whatever the reason is that they can opt out at that point so you don't continue making multiple calls to someone that, you know, in order for

581
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:27,840
you know, that you're not going to waste time.

582
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
We will only send one text message,

583
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,280
which they can then reply, stop to,

584
00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:35,960
if they want to, but we won't send more than one.

585
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,520
We don't have a mechanism to respond to that text message

586
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,980
to then prevent a phone call,

587
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:46,120
but if we do call and they say they don't want to participate,

588
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:49,920
we will, you know, listen to that request

589
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,400
and not make any subsequent telephone calls

590
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,720
if they do not want to be called anymore.

591
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:54,740
Thank you.

592
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:55,900
You're welcome.

593
00:46:57,020 --> 00:46:57,920
Councilman Sather.

594
00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:59,960
Thank you.

595
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:07,100
So, as I hear you say, Connecticut phone numbers, and I very distinctly do not have

596
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,040
a Connecticut phone number.

597
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,360
What happens?

598
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:15,560
Like, because there's a lot of, I'm sure, I'm not the only one who moved in and never changed

599
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:15,980
their number.

600
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,260
Absolutely.

601
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:22,980
I know that's a very good question, but we, the sample provider that we use in addition

602
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:27,800
to numbers that are specifically within Trumble.

603
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,500
We also have a mechanism for being able to get numbers

604
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,700
that are out of the Trumble or Connecticut telephone number,

605
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:38,540
but that have migrated in.

606
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,880
We have a mechanism to be able to get that.

607
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:43,740
I can't guarantee that we have every possible number

608
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:46,340
of someone that has moved into the town of Trumble,

609
00:47:46,540 --> 00:47:49,720
but we have a way to get telephone numbers

610
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,800
and people who live in Trumple, who do not have

611
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,960
cannot get telephone numbers.

612
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:55,820
And then I'll follow up to that.

613
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:03,520
Is there a way to create a, like, you know,

614
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,500
I don't need my 13-year-olds getting a call either?

615
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,060
So is there a way to like,

616
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,200
arrange it towards likely voters

617
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,820
or people over the age of 18?

618
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,600
I mean, we will screen the survey that will look

619
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:18,540
in the introduction.

620
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:23,800
We will identify who we are, and we will make sure that the person that we're speaking to is over the age of 18.

621
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:34,000
There are instances where we do call children, but if they answer and they say, no, I'm not 18, that's it.

622
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,620
We terminate the survey right away.

623
00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:38,130
Councilman Wolfe.

624
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:47,050
Hi, just curious, after you take the survey, would we have access to the raw data, or at least raw data, minus names?

625
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:47,910
Yes.

626
00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:49,150
Thank you.

627
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:55,710
Yes, and I believe that's, I can't remember the transparency name, but that is part of

628
00:48:55,710 --> 00:49:01,310
working with Sienna is that all of those results have to be made public, that we will have to publish

629
00:49:02,070 --> 00:49:09,750
the raw data, yeah. And we will also, part of that is too, we can't cherry pick, we will let you

630
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:14,750
release one or two questions because you like the results. If you release one or two questions,

631
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:16,110
as you have to release all of them.

632
00:49:18,110 --> 00:49:18,810
Councilor Nellaris.

633
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,650
So to that end of questions and question design,

634
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:26,730
as we move forward, if we end up moving forward

635
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:28,990
with working and collaborating with you

636
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:33,810
and we're trying to get to a 15 minute block of time

637
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:35,970
to interact with a person on the phone,

638
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:39,230
is there any guidance you can provide now,

639
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:42,850
even though it's a little early in this planning stages

640
00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:50,610
of exactly how many concepts we could put before someone to open on because there are

641
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:55,890
lots of different things that have been talked about over a span of 10 years of possible options.

642
00:49:56,170 --> 00:50:00,750
So I think in the Public Works Committee and then in the Browdertown Council,

643
00:50:00,950 --> 00:50:04,230
they'll be and with all the expertise and all the planning that's gone on for over a decade,

644
00:50:04,450 --> 00:50:10,270
there will be lots of things. I'm just wondering if you have a sense of how much is too much to ask

645
00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:13,310
about in that 10 minute, 15 minute time frame.

646
00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:19,270
Yeah, we try to 15 minute surveys of approximately 35 questions.

647
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:26,530
And we'll work with you to try to phrase the questions

648
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:31,350
such that they're simple and easy to understand.

649
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:34,670
It's really, really hard when you've been working on something

650
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:41,410
for and you're so, you know, that this is, you know, your, be all, and all, you know,

651
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:47,410
your baby to really just have a lot to say about it.

652
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:52,050
So we'll work with you to try to streamline the questions and make sure that they're simple

653
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:53,710
and easy to understand for everybody.

654
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:59,050
So it's, so someone who's very, very passionate and really knows everything about this topic

655
00:50:59,050 --> 00:51:04,250
can answer the questions and someone who maybe hasn't really given it much thought, doesn't

656
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:07,470
know a whole lot about it, they can also answer the questions, too.

657
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:11,030
Councilman Foreman?

658
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:14,310
Just a follow on regarding the raw data.

659
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:18,430
What other sorts of deliverables come along with the raw data?

660
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:26,810
Is there an executive summary, key findings, a deck that calls out and puts the statistics into some sort of context for us?

661
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:36,270
Yeah, we will provide an executive summary and I believe there, I think we also said that

662
00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:40,590
there would be a presentation to the board also with the findings.

663
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:42,630
I believe that's correct.

664
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,280
It will just be key five recommendations or.

665
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,760
It would just be key findings.

666
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:56,380
Yeah, you know, the, you know, we can, we can, we would just be key findings.

667
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:03,520
You know, we're generally not in the business of making recommendations.

668
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:10,420
We can tell you what the data says and how people feel about specific issues, but as far as, you know,

669
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:16,620
Whether moving forward or not moving forward, that's that's not our decision. Thank you.

670
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:19,460
That's my wash.

671
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:27,760
Thank you. Do you have a rough estimate on how much more by lingual survey would cost? We talk about thousands tens of thousands?

672
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,240
I mean,

673
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:38,450
I'd have to, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, you're probably talking

674
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:41,550
at least another $10,000 if not more.

675
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,660
Additional questions, Councilman Isaac.

676
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:52,440
Just one question on the population.

677
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,160
You're not asking if someone is a registered voter.

678
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:02,520
And is that because you are thinking that perhaps this might be something that would, if they

679
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:08,680
are not a registered voter, they may register before the next election, or I mean, I don't

680
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,560
know if this is going to be at an election time, if it's going to be a summer, if it's

681
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,180
going to be at, you know, at one of our municipal elections.

682
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,960
So would you, would it make more sense to ask if people are registered to vote already?

683
00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:29,160
We, I mean, my understanding of the survey was wanting to know, understand what residents

684
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:35,320
feelings were on the proposed senior center. We will ask a demographic question whether

685
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:41,500
or not people are registered to vote or not and I would venture a guess that you're probably

686
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:46,240
going to get at least 80% of the respondents are going to be registered to vote.

687
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,980
Yeah, Mary, I'll just weigh in on that too. The point of doing this is not to

688
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,140
get us only those people who will vote at a referendum. The point is to gauge feedback from all

689
00:53:59,140 --> 00:54:05,440
those residents who live in town and then we will take this information and decide what's to come.

690
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:11,320
But the intention is certainly not to get information and then only look at those people who would

691
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,640
vote out of our friend of.

692
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,360
You're right. I was looking at backwards of why the referendum didn't pass.

693
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:25,040
So we're looking forwards at what people actually want overall. Correct. Additional questions?

694
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:35,860
We know a metric we're using for a senior is a what age group like 55 and older or 65 and older or that falls in or has that been decided yet?

695
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:47,600
I don't think that's been decided yet. I mean we'll ask age and we ask it in such a way that we'll you know we'll ask what your people were born so we can slice and dice the age category however you like.

696
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,020
Right, Megan, because you're going to get all of this data and then be able to cross-tab

697
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:58,200
and cross-walk all of these questions in whatever way we want to receive some information.

698
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:04,460
So if we're curious about a question and how many women who are 55 and older or 50 and

699
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:09,600
older feel about that question, we can get that cross-walk of data.

700
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:10,880
Correct.

701
00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:12,840
Yes, Anne.

702
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,320
One last question, how much is this, because I've definitely answered polls before.

703
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,540
Is it a live person that they're talking to, or are they going to be listening to AI

704
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:25,020
now?

705
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,700
No, we have experimented with that, but it's not good yet.

706
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,560
No, these will be all the live interviewers.

707
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:39,520
And even though we are partnered with ReconMR and they are based in Texas, I would say most

708
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,640
Most of this fieldwork is going to be conducted out of our call center in New York, in Albany, New York, so they will be residing there.

709
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:55,240
Some of it may be done by the call center in Texas, but most of it will likely be done out of our call center in Albany, New York.

710
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,480
Councilman Portman?

711
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:05,820
Just a question, kind of following on Councilman Ellaris' comments about multiple designs, so to speak.

712
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,580
Would your research include points of view to determine what elements of the various designs carried

713
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:18,120
greater weight, like, for example, a pool or smaller dimension, larger dimension, just trying to call

714
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,760
out where those key differentiations lie?

715
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:28,380
Yeah, I mean, we haven't started working on the questions yet, but that is kind of where we had

716
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:35,960
One of my thought process was to, you know, calling out different aspects of the senior

717
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:42,540
center and gauging support and opposition so you'd get a rank order of the different proposals

718
00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:49,540
different, you know, key pieces of the senior center and see which ones bubbled up to the

719
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:51,420
top, which ones were more popular than others.

720
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:59,100
And we've given Megan the referendum question, we've given her access, obviously everything

721
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:07,240
that's public information, pointed out the explanatory text, the FAQs, things around the pool,

722
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:14,520
right, the desire potentially for an aquatic center, but their job at this point was not to actually

723
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:21,020
craft survey questions. It was to tell us whether they could put together a survey on this issue and

724
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:26,300
then the Public Works Committee will help design that and highlight the things that we think are

725
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:27,520
important to get feedback on.

726
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,200
All right are there additional questions for Megan before we

727
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:36,560
take this to vote? Yep, Councilman Dunne.

728
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:43,540
Quick question in the demographic section. Is there any questions that cover

729
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:53,120
income and stuff like that? This will all be decided when we build a question but if that's a relevant

730
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,960
and demographic question that you want to learn about.

731
00:57:58,740 --> 00:58:00,460
It's generally one of the questions

732
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:02,200
that we ask in our standard demographics,

733
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,680
but that will just be decided when we design the questionnaire.

734
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:05,760
Thank you.

735
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,940
All right, anybody?

736
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:10,600
Just one question.

737
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,240
This is more for the council and not for Megan.

738
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,840
I see that the resolution is whether or not

739
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,900
we're gonna engage with, and that's fine.

740
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,300
We haven't talked about how we're gonna pay for this.

741
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:28,180
I presume that this is part of the bond, part of the $275,000 a bonding for.

742
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:29,320
That's correct.

743
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:30,160
Okay, thank you.

744
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:38,540
And again, I think you have taken all the questions.

745
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:45,040
You can get thank you for joining us tonight and we'll be in touch after today.

746
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:46,500
Glad to have.

747
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:47,440
Thank you.

748
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:48,620
Thanks so much.

749
00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:54,140
All right, are there any additional questions or discussion items related to this resolution?

750
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,960
Okay. Seeing none, let's take it to a vote. All in favor? Opposed?

751
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,700
Abstentions. All right. Thank you.

752
00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:10,710
All right. We will now go back in order of the resolutions

753
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:17,230
on the agenda. Starting with resolution TC31-20. Councilman Isaac, would you bring that to

754
00:59:17,230 --> 00:59:17,850
the floor, please?

755
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:24,250
Certainly. Resolution TC31-20. If you resolve

756
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:28,870
that the first selective and having recommended the appointment of blank as a member of the police commission,

757
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:35,730
blank B and the same is hereby appointed as a member of the police commission for a term extending to the first Monday of December 2030.

758
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:37,470
Thank you, second.

759
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:41,570
Councilman Braddrick and committee report.

760
00:59:42,550 --> 00:59:47,550
Moved by Metta, seconded by Winchel to amend by inserting the name Don Kentafio into the blanks.

761
00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:52,190
The chair explained these are sitting members that are up for re-appointment, their terms have expired.

762
00:59:53,230 --> 00:59:59,190
It was explained under the charter when a term ends, people continue to sit until the replacement is appointed and take the oath of office.

763
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,120
There were some extensions. It's within the purview of the First Selection to make a recommendation, and then it's up to the town council, whether to appoint. The First Selection has recommended, in this case, that Don Can Taffy overplace Ray Baldwin on the commission. His term expired last month, as some of the other members had terms that expired earlier, Mr. Trevz and Mr. Maglioco. They are stepping down. These resolutions fill the positions for the balance of those terms. Chapter eight, Section three, provides that the incumbent continues to sit until replaced.

764
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:35,280
It was confirmed that one term did expire in 2023 and that there is still a vacancy.

765
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,780
It was noted in the last term Democrats tried to put forward a police commission resolution for the agenda.

766
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:42,960
The Republicans had control of the council.

767
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,860
The resolution was not accepted.

768
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,860
It was explained that the appointees would have probably continued to serve.

769
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,720
The first selectman thought it was time to give other people the opportunity to serve.

770
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,980
It was noted all three appointees would be present at the full council meeting and

771
01:00:56,980 --> 01:01:00,500
I'd like to suggest that all three resolutions be passed to the council without recommendation.

772
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:10,960
Vote motion to pass resolutions TC-31-20, 31-21, 31-22, without recommendation as amended, carried.

773
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:11,960
4-2.

774
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:13,580
Thank you.

775
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:20,540
And since this resolution has blanks, the first thing we need to do is motion to amend to fill in the blanks.

776
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,780
So I'd like a motion to amend to fill in the blank of Don Cantafio.

777
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:34,160
a second. Thank you. All right. So we have that. I'd like to bring Ms. Cantafio up to the

778
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,440
front since she was not here the other evening. Don, if you would introduce yourself.

779
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:46,840
Madam Chair, we have to vote on the motion to amend. Apologies. Hold on, Don, one second. Can

780
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,480
Can we take a vote on the motion to amend?

781
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:50,360
All in favor?

782
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:53,080
Opposed?

783
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:55,000
Abstentions?

784
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:56,000
Okay.

785
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,740
Now, take two.

786
01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:58,800
Thank you.

787
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,000
I'm Dwan Contapio.

788
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,900
I reside at 72 Tate Road.

789
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,140
My party affiliation is Democrat.

790
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:09,150
Excuse me.

791
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:10,590
Oh, excuse me.

792
01:02:10,590 --> 01:02:10,670
Excuse me.

793
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:11,210
That's okay.

794
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:15,850
And Don, just tell us why you're interested in serving

795
01:02:15,850 --> 01:02:16,890
on this commission.

796
01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:17,310
Okay.

797
01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:26,330
I was asked by the first selectman to consider being approved for going on to the police commission.

798
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:30,630
My background, a little bit of background is I have eight years on town council.

799
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:33,890
I was chairman for council for one year.

800
01:02:34,570 --> 01:02:36,090
I served on the building committee.

801
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:38,270
I have been on there for 10 years.

802
01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:46,970
I was off when I resigned from town council but was voted back on by the town council.

803
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:52,190
So to resume my position on, and I'm Vice Chair of the Building Committee for the Senior Community Center.

804
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:58,030
Before that, I served on the Policy Advisory Committee for the Board of Education for many years.

805
01:02:58,030 --> 01:02:59,870
I was chairman of that for a while.

806
01:03:00,770 --> 01:03:05,690
I have recently been a moderator for the town of Trumbull during election season.

807
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:09,790
Any questions or any concerns?

808
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:11,310
Thank you, Dan.

809
01:03:11,590 --> 01:03:11,950
Thank you.

810
01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:13,650
Councilman Center.

811
01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:14,470
Yes.

812
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:14,590
Yes.

813
01:03:15,130 --> 01:03:15,650
Hi, Dawn.

814
01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:16,130
How are you?

815
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:16,570
Good.

816
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:18,390
Are you currently still on that committee?

817
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:19,870
On the building committee?

818
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:20,090
Yeah.

819
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:20,830
Yes, I am.

820
01:03:21,790 --> 01:03:23,130
Do you have to resign from that?

821
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:25,090
I don't know.

822
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:26,490
I can check.

823
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:29,710
I don't believe you do to serve on the police commission.

824
01:03:29,770 --> 01:03:30,190
Is that correct?

825
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:30,930
Attorney Shopek?

826
01:03:37,020 --> 01:03:37,820
Additional questions?

827
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,180
Councilman Dorsey.

828
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:40,180
Good.

829
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,660
How are you?

830
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:40,920
Good.

831
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:41,460
How are you, Tony?

832
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,620
Just what you're in, what would be your vision or intent while serving on the police commission?

833
01:03:47,620 --> 01:04:03,760
I work with the chief of police, and I know it's concerns as we've talked about on council with recruitment and retention, one of the things that I did while I was on council vote for the bring back the pension, and I think that that has been a positive.

834
01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:09,260
So it would really just be helping with whatever decisions need to be made on the commission.

835
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:14,620
And this you're replacing Ray Baldwin at least at least this is the resolution.

836
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:15,980
Okay.

837
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,700
I just have to ask what makes you more qualified than Ray Baldwin.

838
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,060
And I wouldn't ever say it was more qualified than Ray Baldwin.

839
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:26,180
I was just asked to serve on the commission.

840
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:29,960
Any other questions?

841
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:32,640
Additional questions from Ms. Kentafu.

842
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:34,780
That's been buzz well.

843
01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:49,400
I don't, do you have a background in law enforcement, whether it be your personal life, your work life, any family members, anything that draws you to law enforcement, do you have any sort of background to help tie into this?

844
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:51,820
I'm not a police officer now.

845
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,960
Okay, I didn't know if you had family members, or your work life, or anything.

846
01:04:57,380 --> 01:05:00,200
My background is financial and office management.

847
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:01,100
Thanks.

848
01:05:01,420 --> 01:05:01,760
You're welcome.

849
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:06,120
additional questions. Councilman Marsh.

850
01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:07,840
I don't know how are you.

851
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:15,380
Notwithstanding your lack of police involvement, are you a sane and rational person who can

852
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:19,300
listen and interpret and work cooperatively with people?

853
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,460
I believe I can. I think I've shown that. And I show up for meetings. I do my homework.

854
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:26,920
So hopefully yes, I'm insane as most.

855
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,540
Thank you. I just want to make sure you're qualified.

856
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:29,260
Thank you.

857
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,360
Additional questions.

858
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:36,600
Okay. Thank you, Don.

859
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:41,240
All right, any additional discussion on this resolution?

860
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,160
Councilman Centell?

861
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:45,280
Let's have a comment, you know mine.

862
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:49,770
I just want to, you guys hear me, okay.

863
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:54,110
I just want to raise concern about the recent Change of Police Commission.

864
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:58,610
The current Council majority has removed all but one of the sitting police

865
01:05:58,610 --> 01:06:00,810
commissioners and replace them with individuals.

866
01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:06,010
At this point, it appeared to have little understanding of the role and responsibilities of the commission.

867
01:06:06,010 --> 01:06:10,730
oversight of public safety is not an area where on the job training is acceptable.

868
01:06:11,090 --> 01:06:16,090
Additional, the one remaining commissioner has missed six out of the last 12 meetings,

869
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:17,650
a 50% absentee rate.

870
01:06:18,130 --> 01:06:24,150
That level absentee rate undermines the commission's ability to function effectively and weakens the public trust.

871
01:06:25,030 --> 01:06:29,110
Please commissioners are response for oversight, policy guidance, and accountability.

872
01:06:29,470 --> 01:06:32,250
These roles require experience, consistency, and commitment.

873
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:41,270
I urge the council to prioritise our qualifications, attendance, and continuity of repolitics when making appointments that directly affect public safety.

874
01:06:41,770 --> 01:06:41,990
Thanks.

875
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,760
Thank you. Any additional discussion?

876
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:49,300
Councilman Marsh.

877
01:06:50,480 --> 01:07:03,020
I appreciate Mr. Santos' condense, although I would point out that, as was noted in the committee minutes, that there was a resolution that was put forward

878
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:14,120
for the agenda in January of 2025 when your caucus controlled the council that would have addressed some of these issues.

879
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:21,660
And unfortunately, Chairman Massaro decided not to put that resolution on the council agenda.

880
01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:30,100
So, when you talk about politicizing things, I just wish you would take a more global approach with your comments.

881
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:37,520
The terms of the outgoing commissioners have expired, they have been expired for a while.

882
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,760
Per the town charter, this position is at the appointment of the First Elections,

883
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,700
her discretion has nothing to do with politics.

884
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,800
The commissioners have served ably and they have been thanked for their service.

885
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,620
And the First Elections and her discretion has determined as she wishes to put forward

886
01:07:55,340 --> 01:07:58,500
some new individuals and it's for us to decide whether they sit or not.

887
01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:03,870
Thank you. Anything else?

888
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:12,070
All right. Okay. Councilman Alaris. Just to make a point about whether a person's

889
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:18,370
has a professional law enforcement background or not, is not necessarily an important qualification

890
01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:24,490
for a civilian oversight board, right? I think the most important thing is the integrity of

891
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:31,690
individuals and their ability to understand issues at hand, collaborate with all parties

892
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:35,550
and all stakeholders and make sound decisions based on all that input.

893
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:39,700
Thank you.

894
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:49,960
Christine, my point earlier was not to question Dawn's background, but a lot of times people's

895
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:56,320
backgrounds draw them to positions like my father's or retired state trooper, or if I'm on the

896
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,040
Veterans Committee, my grandfather fought in World War II, so I'm passionate about that.

897
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,720
That was more along my comments and questioning somebody's background, whether they can serve on the volunteer committee.

898
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:06,480
Thank you.

899
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,380
Yes, Councilman Cullen.

900
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:15,600
Perhaps the last comment, but I agree with Mr. Buzzle, but I end with Ms. Alaris.

901
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,620
But what I'd like to say is what I like about people like Dawn serving and

902
01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:25,140
the many volunteers that come forward and I'll say it again, it's one of the most exciting committees out there.

903
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:29,040
because it's people that want to help our community, our town, where we live.

904
01:09:29,620 --> 01:09:32,240
And Dawn has shown that, and I'm so glad she's back to do so.

905
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:32,900
Thank you.

906
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,700
Thank you.

907
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:36,400
All right.

908
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,820
Anything additional on this resolution?

909
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:40,540
Okay.

910
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:42,760
We'll call this to a vote.

911
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,980
All in favor of TC31-20 as amended.

912
01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:48,750
Opposed?

913
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:50,770
Abstentions.

914
01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:52,350
That passes.

915
01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:54,570
Congratulations, Ms. Kentafio.

916
01:09:54,570 --> 01:10:01,710
So we will move along to TC31-21, Councilman Wolff, would you bring that to the floor, please?

917
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:12,220
Resolution TC31-21, it resolved that first selectman having recommended the appointment of blank.

918
01:10:12,980 --> 01:10:17,320
As a member of Chief Commission blank, be here and the same and hereby pointed.

919
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,120
As a member of the Police Commission for a term extending to the first Monday of December 20th, 2019.

920
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,040
Thank you.

921
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:24,420
Second.

922
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:26,820
Thank you.

923
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,480
Committee report.

924
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:33,860
Moved by Spalane, seconded by Mecca to amend by inserting John Walkley into blanks.

925
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,620
Vote motion carried for to two.

926
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,380
Thank you.

927
01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:41,740
And again, the first thing we need to do is amend this resolution to fill in the blanks.

928
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:45,240
So can I have a motion to amend TC31-21 to insert John Walkley?

929
01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:46,160
Motion to amend.

930
01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:46,800
Thank you.

931
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:47,300
In a second.

932
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:48,520
Second.

933
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:49,460
Thank you.

934
01:10:50,060 --> 01:10:52,140
Take a vote on the motion to amend.

935
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:53,360
All in favor?

936
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:55,200
Opposed?

937
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:56,840
Abstentions.

938
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:57,720
Okay.

939
01:10:57,900 --> 01:11:00,480
Mr. Walkley, would you join us at the podium, please?

940
01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:03,600
Thank you for joining us this evening.

941
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:16,260
If you could, you just like Don did, state your name, and your party affiliation, and then tell us a little bit about why you want to serve and perhaps your experience that will lend itself to this commission.

942
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:21,440
Happy to, John Walkley, my address is 124 Imperial Court.

943
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,220
My party affiliation is Democrat.

944
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,380
My wife and I have lived in Trumble for 44 years.

945
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,340
I've been active with my raising my children here.

946
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:44,640
In terms of background for purposes of the police commission, when I graduated from law school,

947
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:51,560
I went to work for a criminal justice agency in New Haven, was there for a few years.

948
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:57,840
I ended up being counseled to the South Central Chiefs of Police Association and also

949
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:03,820
work with the statewide Chiefs of Police Association, doing training and things of that nature.

950
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:10,860
I was also principally responsible for creating what was known and I believe is still known as

951
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:18,400
the Valley Street Crime Unit, a consortium of towns in the Valley so that they can share

952
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,060
services and resources and also do investigations that cross town lines.

953
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:32,820
After being at the Criminal Justice Agency for a short time, I became a prosecutor and

954
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:36,820
And I prosecuted for five years in the State Court in New Haven.

955
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:43,980
After doing that, I went into private practice for about 30 years.

956
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:54,920
And during that 30 years, I principally concentrated on representing people who are charged with

957
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:55,280
crimes.

958
01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:03,440
I did that for 30 years and then the last 10 years or so I was the public defender, the

959
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:09,640
Chief Public Defender in Danbury and then the Chief Public Defender in Milford representing

960
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,520
people who were indigent and again protecting their rights.

961
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:19,920
I did retire from my last position as a public defender in Milford and for the last year and

962
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:35,600
And a half I've been representing, I am the executive director of the Judicial Review Council in Hartford, a statewide council where I am investigating complaints made against judges, and I have to do those investigations.

963
01:13:36,460 --> 01:13:49,240
So it's in a sense coming back a little bit full circle for my time as a prosecutor to now representing or making investigative conclusions for the council.

964
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,860
so that they can determine whether a judge should be punished.

965
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:59,940
That's a little bit about my background, which I think is helpful in terms of sitting on the police commission.

966
01:14:00,980 --> 01:14:06,540
I don't come into this with any kind of agenda. I don't have a plan.

967
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:16,660
I have gone back and looked at the minutes of meetings of the police commission and tried to get an idea about the issues that come up before the commission.

968
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,740
and I can assure everyone that I'll do my best to keep an open mind about everything,

969
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:28,580
work with the chief in terms of what he has in mind and just consider the issues that

970
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:30,780
come up before the commission as they come up.

971
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,640
Thank you very much, Mr. Walkley.

972
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:36,500
Are there any questions this evening?

973
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,560
Councilman Centau.

974
01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:43,100
Oh, sorry.

975
01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:49,040
Are you able to make the meetings?

976
01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:50,040
I'm sorry.

977
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,160
You'll be able to have a good attendance record for the meetings.

978
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,740
Oh, you can be sure that unless there's illness that I'll be at every meeting.

979
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:57,340
Okay.

980
01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:59,780
And you're not on any other commission.

981
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,040
Questions right now on the table. Okay. Thank you.

982
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:31,210
Additional questions. Yes, councilman say there. Do you, and I don't, I'm just asking out of sheer curiosity, is there any, like, possibility of a conflict of interest with your state board and the commission? No, like, like, you know, not all, but like, ever, like, some kind of conflict. Right. So I may be doing some kind of investigation. It would interfere with my ability to be a police commissioner.

983
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:40,910
No, I mean, I just can't envision a complaint that someone might make about a judge that would then circle back.

984
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:44,090
Yeah, I don't think so.

985
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:47,850
Thank you.

986
01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:51,470
Additional questions, comments?

987
01:15:52,450 --> 01:15:54,510
Okay, thank you for being here this evening, Mr. Weekly.

988
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:55,210
Thank you.

989
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:58,230
All right, we need to take a vote on the motion as amended.

990
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:59,050
All in favor?

991
01:16:02,830 --> 01:16:03,790
opposed, abstentions.

992
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:05,530
Thank you.

993
01:16:07,570 --> 01:16:12,170
And that brings us to resolution TC31-22.

994
01:16:12,350 --> 01:16:13,990
Councilman Marsh would you bring that to the floor?

995
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:19,910
Certainly. Resolution TC31-22 be it resolved that the first

996
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:22,950
electman having recommended the appointment of blank as a member

997
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:26,870
of the police commission, blank B and the same is here by appointed as a member of the

998
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:30,390
the police commission for a term extending to the first Monday of December, 2028.

999
01:16:30,710 --> 01:16:31,490
Thank you, Second,

1000
01:16:33,650 --> 01:16:34,890
and committee report.

1001
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:41,290
Moved by four men, seconded by one shall to amend by inserting James Zigmont into the blanks.

1002
01:16:41,690 --> 01:16:43,310
Vote motion carried four to two.

1003
01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:46,330
Thank you, same as with the other resolutions.

1004
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:47,910
We need to fill in the blanks.

1005
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:50,830
Can I have a motion to amend and insert James Zigmont?

1006
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:51,950
Motion to amend.

1007
01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:53,710
Thank you, and a second, Councilman Winshel.

1008
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:56,090
All in favor of that motion to amend.

1009
01:16:57,730 --> 01:16:59,950
Opposed? Abstentions?

1010
01:17:00,650 --> 01:17:01,870
Do you get everybody Margaret?

1011
01:17:05,290 --> 01:17:07,730
Please remember to put your hands up to make Margaret's light easier.

1012
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:12,610
Mr. Zigmatt, would you join us at the podium?

1013
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,160
It's nice to see you this evening.

1014
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:25,880
Same drill, name, address, party affiliation, background why you're interested in serving.

1015
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:32,140
Jim Zygmont, 11 Pine Street, I can't follow that guy, that guy was pretty good.

1016
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:38,240
I lived in Chumble with my wife and my two children since 2001,

1017
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:43,420
became increasingly more active in the town, volunteered,

1018
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:48,340
medic capacities at my kids elementary school, volunteered in Rec Basketball,

1019
01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:52,100
which was proud to say that we did win a championship after three seasons.

1020
01:17:52,740 --> 01:18:06,900
Then I was appointed to the Fair Rent Commission in town, which I really enjoy being on given my background growing up in subsidized housing down in Stanford, so I can relate to that topic.

1021
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:16,440
And I'm just looking to become more involved, I spoke to the first select one, I spoke to the chief just to get an idea of what the expectations are.

1022
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:21,180
And at this stage, I'm just looking to become more involved.

1023
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:22,580
I'm a small business owner.

1024
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:27,100
I've been so since 2001 on a computer consulting business,

1025
01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:30,620
recovering the entire state and the trouble housing authority.

1026
01:18:31,060 --> 01:18:33,720
So I try to get as involved as possible.

1027
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,180
And this is why I'm interested in joining the commission.

1028
01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:39,830
Thank you.

1029
01:18:40,830 --> 01:18:42,470
Questions, Councilman Cologne.

1030
01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:44,950
Hi there, and your party affiliation again?

1031
01:18:45,070 --> 01:18:45,850
I'm sorry, we're probably in.

1032
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:46,290
Thank you.

1033
01:18:46,290 --> 01:18:48,570
Thank you. I was unsure if I missed that one.

1034
01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:52,490
Questions for Mr. Zigman, Councilman Cento.

1035
01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:53,970
Hi, I'm Warrior.

1036
01:18:54,190 --> 01:18:56,650
Good. Are you still on the fair rent commission?

1037
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:57,630
Yes, currently.

1038
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:58,970
Yes. Okay, thanks.

1039
01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:02,350
Additional questions.

1040
01:19:03,230 --> 01:19:03,930
Councilman Boswell.

1041
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:04,530
Hi, James.

1042
01:19:05,650 --> 01:19:09,690
Being a registered Republican, did you have any conversations with anyone from the TRTC

1043
01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:16,030
in regards to disappointment, sharing any thoughts that you wanted to join for our party?

1044
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:16,630
No.

1045
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:17,170
Okay.

1046
01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:21,270
Councilman Marsh.

1047
01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:23,450
Are you a member of the TRTC?

1048
01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:25,010
No, okay, thanks.

1049
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,700
Additional discussion, yes.

1050
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,040
Just as additional instruction,

1051
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:37,780
I would like to see if we can mend to reappoint Angel Maglioco.

1052
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:40,580
So that's a point of order.

1053
01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:42,820
Only the first electman can make an appointment

1054
01:19:42,820 --> 01:19:43,660
for this position.

1055
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:45,260
So that's, it's just out of order.

1056
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:46,760
I'm sorry, the recommendation for appointment.

1057
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:49,800
So I appreciate that, but it's an out of order.

1058
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:59,380
Okay, I just want to know as just as the Republican side of things, he's done a fantastic job, and we're proud of what he did.

1059
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,480
So I want to make sure that at least we, we mentioned that, give that up.

1060
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:04,560
Those comments are welcome.

1061
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:10,800
As Councilman Marsh said, the police commission is a first-selectman recommendation to the town council,

1062
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:16,500
town council appoints, and I would echo your sentiments on commissioners Baldwin,

1063
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:20,220
and Aglioco and Trev's and thank them for their,

1064
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,060
in some cases, decade of service to that commission.

1065
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,160
So comments are noted and will be reflected

1066
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,660
in the minutes of the meeting.

1067
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:27,040
Understood.

1068
01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:29,640
Councilman Cologne.

1069
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:30,300
Through the chair.

1070
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,640
I'm just such a stickler for procedure.

1071
01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:34,940
In another life, I'm definitely an attorney,

1072
01:20:34,940 --> 01:20:35,900
but right now I'm a teacher.

1073
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:37,760
But I just wanted to let you know,

1074
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:40,440
and the public know that no one has to belong

1075
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:42,060
to either party to be appointed.

1076
01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:44,120
So I know that question was asked.

1077
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:45,240
I just wanted to clarify that.

1078
01:20:52,080 --> 01:21:00,440
I think you and Mr. Walkley for both volunteering and stepping up and Mr. Walkley, your resume was very, very impressive.

1079
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:16,920
The only thing that we as a party or as a town councilman, we would have liked to see possibly Mr. Maglioco be able to stay on and possibly either one of these two individuals possibly fill in for that vacant role that I believe is still vacant.

1080
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,680
from Mrs. Thornton when she left.

1081
01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:23,480
So any vote against you two, either of you tonight,

1082
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:25,120
has nothing against you personally.

1083
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,400
We would have liked to see Angelo continue to serve.

1084
01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:31,040
Obviously, him being here still shows that he cares

1085
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,100
and I'm sure that he's hurt, that he's not coming back.

1086
01:21:34,940 --> 01:21:37,740
Thank you, and there is still a fourth seat open

1087
01:21:37,740 --> 01:21:41,000
and certainly happy to have conversations offline

1088
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,860
from this, not over email, but in person we can do that.

1089
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:53,040
And I'd like to add my thanks to Ms. Cantafio as well, all three volunteers who are coming

1090
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:59,160
on to this position are valuable and hopefully will contribute really great things to the

1091
01:21:59,160 --> 01:21:59,720
police commission.

1092
01:22:00,620 --> 01:22:02,100
Any further questions from Mrs. Sigma?

1093
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,540
Okay, thank you very much.

1094
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,320
We will take this to a vote.

1095
01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:09,000
All in favor?

1096
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:11,720
Opposed?

1097
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:13,300
Abstentions.

1098
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:14,760
Okay.

1099
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Thank you, again, thank you to the three of you, and thank you to our outgoing commissioners for your service.

1100
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:30,720
I know that we will see great things from our new commissioners and look forward to everybody getting up to speed with the chief and the police officers.

1101
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:36,580
We are going to move right along to TC31-24.

1102
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,420
This is our Board of Education Capital Improvement Plan.

1103
01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:45,980
And so first and foremost, I need a motion to wave the reading of the full text and incorporate

1104
01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:46,920
it into the minutes.

1105
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:47,760
Can I have that motion?

1106
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:48,740
Thank you.

1107
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:49,480
And a second.

1108
01:22:51,730 --> 01:22:53,130
Thank you, Councilman Winchell.

1109
01:22:54,010 --> 01:23:02,770
All in favor of waving the full resolution, the reading of that opposed abstentions.

1110
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:03,690
Okay.

1111
01:23:04,230 --> 01:23:06,690
Now we will bring that resolution to the floor.

1112
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:15,150
Councillor Buzwell, do you have that in front of you to bring Resolution TC31-24 to the floor?

1113
01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:39,200
Resolution TC31-24. Resolution appropriating 6,470,000 for the Trumble Board of Education Capital Improvement Plan 2026-2027 and authorizing the issuance of 6,470,000 bonds of the town to meet set appropriation and pending issuance.

1114
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:44,380
therefore the making of temporary barring for such purpose full resolution attached.

1115
01:23:44,780 --> 01:23:45,840
Thank you in a second.

1116
01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:46,400
Second.

1117
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,720
I'd like to wave the reading of the committee reports.

1118
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,000
Everybody good with that?

1119
01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:54,300
Okay.

1120
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:55,360
All right.

1121
01:23:55,740 --> 01:24:02,040
So the first thing we need to do and we did this in committee was to amend that number.

1122
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:05,740
So the number that's listed the 6.47 million listed

1123
01:24:05,740 --> 01:24:15,000
is the originally proposed capital plan number, and it needs to be the Board of Finance approved number.

1124
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:23,680
And so I'd like a motion to substitute in both instances the number 5,305,000.

1125
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,420
So moved.

1126
01:24:25,780 --> 01:24:30,540
Yep, 5,305,000.

1127
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,520
Did we get a second?

1128
01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:34,860
Okay, so all in favor of that motion to amend?

1129
01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:38,300
Any opposed?

1130
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:42,820
All right, we will,

1131
01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:49,250
we have some folks here. I haven't even looked up to see if we've

1132
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:54,850
got Mr. T on here. We have Board of Education Chair, listen to Tim Penelli here. You know,

1133
01:24:54,990 --> 01:25:00,950
I know that there were some questions out of committee. We will kind of quickly go through

1134
01:25:00,950 --> 01:25:05,590
school by school. I'm not going to ask for a presentation tonight. I will take any questions

1135
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:10,250
the council has of Mr. Dion regarding this.

1136
01:25:10,570 --> 01:25:15,690
And so, again, we will just jump into the schools in order starting with Madison.

1137
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:18,830
Are there any questions on Madison?

1138
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:23,340
Councilman Centreff?

1139
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:23,780
Yes, we can.

1140
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,520
Absolutely, Mike.

1141
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:28,720
Hey, how are you?

1142
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,940
Good, I know you kind of knew.

1143
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:39,460
You guys have maintenance records of every school and what's been done over the last five years on a day-to-day basis.

1144
01:25:39,460 --> 01:25:39,580
Yes.

1145
01:25:40,020 --> 01:25:41,300
We have a work order system?

1146
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:41,780
Yeah.

1147
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:42,280
Yes.

1148
01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:43,660
Can we get a copy of all those?

1149
01:25:44,580 --> 01:25:46,480
Every single one of them.

1150
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:46,680
Yeah.

1151
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,700
For the last five years.

1152
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:49,900
Sure.

1153
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:50,960
We can pull that out.

1154
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,140
It's quite a bit of information.

1155
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:52,380
Sure.

1156
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,600
And you're looking specifically for any work.

1157
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:55,740
We put work orders for maintenance.

1158
01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:57,520
I want to work order for everything.

1159
01:25:58,540 --> 01:25:58,800
Sure.

1160
01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:59,680
Thanks.

1161
01:26:00,820 --> 01:26:01,640
Especially the maintenance.

1162
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,220
Anything maintenance orientated?

1163
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:04,540
Anything.

1164
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:05,240
Right.

1165
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:07,720
It's going to be a work order of what was requested.

1166
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,200
Whatever it was completed, there would be no finance.

1167
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,760
The door handle fell off, anything like that.

1168
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:19,120
Mr. Zian, we can work on the best way to get those files to the council.

1169
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,820
I'm sure that Mr. Jain can help us with that.

1170
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,900
All right, we'll move from Madison to Middlebrook.

1171
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:30,740
Daniels Farm,

1172
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:33,970
Jane Ryan,

1173
01:26:38,530 --> 01:26:38,930
Booth Hill,

1174
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:43,680
Tasha,

1175
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:48,390
French Town,

1176
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:52,890
agro science,

1177
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:57,020
Trumbull High.

1178
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:57,480
No

1179
01:27:00,260 --> 01:27:04,060
questions? Long Hill and

1180
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:10,480
Fleet. We just made it through our list. Are there any

1181
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:17,160
questions regarding anything related to the Board of Education Capital Plan? I know

1182
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,020
that there was lots of information circulated. Thank you for getting back to us on all of

1183
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:26,920
the Drainage, the Trimble High Paving and Drainage Project. We appreciate that and that was circulated

1184
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,820
to the council today. Anything else?

1185
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:35,410
Okay. Mr. Dion, this might have been your easiest

1186
01:27:35,410 --> 01:27:42,270
meeting ever. I appreciate that. With that said, we need to vote on this as amended,

1187
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:52,550
all in favor of approving TC31-24. Opposed? Abstentions. Okay. Thank you very much.

1188
01:27:53,610 --> 01:27:59,790
That brings us to TC31-25, and again, I need a motion to waive the reading of the full

1189
01:27:59,790 --> 01:28:01,590
text and incorporate it into the minutes.

1190
01:28:01,930 --> 01:28:02,590
Motion to waive.

1191
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:05,230
And a second.

1192
01:28:06,090 --> 01:28:07,570
We were a little excited there.

1193
01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:16,250
Let's see, Councilman El-Aras, can you bring TC31-25 to the floor, please?

1194
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:16,850
Sure.

1195
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:20,470
Resolution TC31-25.

1196
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:48,970
Resolution appropriating $14,620,000 for the Trumball Town Capital Improvement Plan 2026 through 2027 and authorizing the issuance of $14,620,000 bonds of the town to meet set appropriation and pending the issuance thereof of the making of temporary borrowings for such purpose.

1197
01:28:48,970 --> 01:28:50,690
this full resolution attached.

1198
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,000
Okay, and can we waive the committee report reading on this as well?

1199
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:58,900
Any objections?

1200
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:00,580
Okay.

1201
01:29:01,460 --> 01:29:06,960
All right, so same thing, we'll go through this section by section before we go through section

1202
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:07,500
by section.

1203
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,060
Any general questions?

1204
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:09,940
Councilman citel.

1205
01:29:11,300 --> 01:29:12,460
This one's from Maria.

1206
01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:16,550
How are you?

1207
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:17,130
Good.

1208
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:36,500
These total, these two bonds are what, like 22 million, and we're, and we're retiring 13.

1209
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:37,380
13 million.

1210
01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:44,180
So we got 11 over what we're retiring, and we've been doing that consistently over the last two or three years.

1211
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:49,000
Well, you have a new school also, so the new school years, it's going to be a lot more.

1212
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:54,260
But this can this particular one is we're going to bond 10 million 11 million dollars more than we're retiring

1213
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:59,980
I don't think that's a good idea, but just want to know

1214
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:11,820
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any more general questions before we go through this? Okay. Hi, George. How are you?

1215
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:27,560
All right. We will start at the top and ask questions as we go. And George, if there's anything that you need to interject on, feel free to do so. We'll start with roadways,

1216
01:30:29,620 --> 01:30:31,240
aiming, anything there.

1217
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:36,770
Okay. Public facilities.

1218
01:30:36,770 --> 01:30:40,430
Is anything in that section?

1219
01:30:40,710 --> 01:30:41,630
Yes, Councilman Walsh.

1220
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:44,630
Through the chair, I'd like to make a motion

1221
01:30:45,170 --> 01:30:48,790
to remove the 275,000 from the bonded

1222
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:52,390
to in the capital plan for the senior center study,

1223
01:30:52,850 --> 01:30:54,510
move it to the general fund.

1224
01:30:56,730 --> 01:30:59,630
Okay, so let's try, so your motion is what?

1225
01:31:00,510 --> 01:31:06,190
To take the 275,000 from the senior center survey

1226
01:31:06,190 --> 01:31:10,870
Okay, and move it, take it from the bonding and move it over to the general fund.

1227
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:12,170
So the-

1228
01:31:12,170 --> 01:31:12,890
Take it out of the bonding.

1229
01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:24,130
At this point, the only thing you could do is ask us to zero to make a motion to zero out the senior center line or reduce it from 275 to whatever your proposal would be.

1230
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:27,130
We can't move things to different accounts at this point.

1231
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,480
Remove it, then a motion to remove it from the-

1232
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:37,260
Okay, so there's a motion on the floor to remove $275,000 from the senior center and

1233
01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:44,320
make that $0. Is that correct? Okay, can I have a second? Okay, discussion on that resolution.

1234
01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:49,350
The party that made that would be, yep, go ahead.

1235
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:55,130
I think the idea is that the concern is that we're bonding for a study, whereas bonding is supposed

1236
01:31:55,130 --> 01:31:59,850
to be used for things that will be like we're going to do the study and it's going to be done and

1237
01:31:59,850 --> 01:32:05,930
we'll still be paying for it 20 something ideas down the road. So I think the point is to move it

1238
01:32:05,930 --> 01:32:13,390
to the general fund, so we're more thoughtful about how we use our funds to study certain

1239
01:32:13,390 --> 01:32:20,400
things. That's my, that, I'm just not a fan of bonding something that's going to be

1240
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,120
done and we're paying for 20 years down the road.

1241
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:26,120
Additional discussion?

1242
01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:32,740
Councilman Isaac. I agree. I know the Board of Finance has done

1243
01:32:32,740 --> 01:32:35,880
that in the past, where they've moved certain amounts that they thought she came out of

1244
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,740
operating budget instead of the bonding, but it's also for items that are in the last 20 years

1245
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:46,040
or that exceed a certain amount, and this is a pretty costly expenditure to then be pulled.

1246
01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:54,020
Part of it is the study for the Sienna or whatever we are called, the Recon MR, but the rest is

1247
01:32:54,020 --> 01:33:00,380
for the facility as well. So I don't have a problem with that portion of it personally just because

1248
01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:02,000
as of the extent of the cost.

1249
01:33:05,810 --> 01:33:10,130
Additional discussion and maybe just for some clarity, right?

1250
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:12,330
Because in some ways, there's two issues at hand.

1251
01:33:12,510 --> 01:33:14,630
There's the issue of how the study is paid,

1252
01:33:15,090 --> 01:33:18,510
which is almost a separate conversation.

1253
01:33:18,510 --> 01:33:20,070
I understand that it's linked here,

1254
01:33:20,110 --> 01:33:22,770
but that's a separate matter and would require

1255
01:33:23,390 --> 01:33:25,410
a separate action through a supplemental.

1256
01:33:26,210 --> 01:33:28,930
And then George, maybe speaking at a really high level

1257
01:33:28,930 --> 01:33:37,830
to what that $2.75 is there for, and if I can add a second part to that or a reminder that

1258
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:43,330
we approve the capital plan at whatever level we approve, it doesn't mean we actually bond

1259
01:33:43,330 --> 01:33:49,930
those dollars immediately. So, George, I'll kick the first one to you. What's that $2.75, right?

1260
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:58,410
That's a bigger purpose than the survey. So the purpose of the $2.75 suggestion to consider the $2.75

1261
01:33:58,930 --> 01:34:08,290
is to begin the study, first of all, I believe, is this where the survey will be funded from?

1262
01:34:08,890 --> 01:34:12,550
The 25 of the 275, a fraction of it, yes.

1263
01:34:12,850 --> 01:34:22,070
So establishing what it is that the community actually wants and then the remaining funds will be

1264
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:28,830
to pursue, depending on what that outcome is, the sites that we control, which are the

1265
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:36,150
three sites, Priscilla, Hardy and Main Street, and then trying to develop a concept that

1266
01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:39,790
can be considered by the community for adoption.

1267
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,800
Does that help Councilman Dorsey?

1268
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:55,040
I understand that the purpose of it, again, it's worked that's going to be done, and generally

1269
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,580
We should be bonding, and I've been pretty consistent on this.

1270
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,240
Any surveys or plans, this should come out of a budget.

1271
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,340
It's just my recommendation, my thoughts, why the motion is on the floor.

1272
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:16,340
And to say we should be paying for this over 20 years versus just taking the money out and

1273
01:35:16,340 --> 01:35:21,520
finding a way to pay for the town pay for it is the purpose of the motion.

1274
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:22,260
Thank you.

1275
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:24,980
Thank you, additional discussion.

1276
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:34,760
Okay, so there's a motion on the floor to take the 275 in the senior center line, 275,000,

1277
01:35:34,820 --> 01:35:36,660
and zero that out entirely.

1278
01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:39,860
We need to vote on the motion that's on the floor.

1279
01:35:40,060 --> 01:35:40,640
All in favor?

1280
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:44,580
Opposed?

1281
01:35:46,340 --> 01:35:46,900
Abstention.

1282
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:49,800
Okay, that fails.

1283
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:52,560
You good Bill?

1284
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:53,440
Okay.

1285
01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:56,110
All right.

1286
01:35:56,110 --> 01:36:02,310
All right, so any additional discussion on public facilities?

1287
01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:08,200
Okay, moving along to parks.

1288
01:36:17,810 --> 01:36:20,990
So that's parks improvement, and then we'll go to fleet next.

1289
01:36:25,150 --> 01:36:26,230
Anything on parks improvement?

1290
01:36:26,650 --> 01:36:28,030
Okay, so fleet in equipment.

1291
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:31,690
This was where the bulk of our conversation was the other evening.

1292
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:40,050
Anything in fleet in equipment?

1293
01:36:44,910 --> 01:36:45,910
You need me to go slower.

1294
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:47,550
I apologize,

1295
01:36:50,940 --> 01:36:52,280
Councilman Sutton.

1296
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:55,340
I think we have a question regarding parks.

1297
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:05,100
The Ford F-550, I'm a little, and I hope this wasn't addressed in order to finance already,

1298
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:11,960
but I'm curious the difference because when I look at the Board of Ed budget and they're

1299
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:19,780
looking for the Chevy that's moving out with the plow attachment, I think that was only

1300
01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:29,640
like what 75K for each of those and then this is a $2,000 vehicle, $2,000, I'm sorry, $2,000

1301
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:36,160
were sold, $2,000 vehicle, I'm trying to figure out what is the expense.

1302
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:40,780
It's the size of the vehicle and the equipment that I'm going to defer to our fleet manager

1303
01:37:40,780 --> 01:37:42,380
so that he can give you specifics.

1304
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:54,260
So the material that the truck is built out of is mainly stainless steel, and it's just

1305
01:37:54,260 --> 01:38:03,060
much heavier duty, and it's got a much heavier GVW that gross vehicle weight, so it's,

1306
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:09,260
you know, in the summer it's going to be hauling soil and gravel and whatnot, and then through

1307
01:38:09,260 --> 01:38:12,420
the winter, it's set up as a sander and a plow truck,

1308
01:38:17,410 --> 01:38:21,850
4-F-550, and yeah, they're looking

1309
01:38:21,850 --> 01:38:24,990
for, I think, the 3-quarter ton truck.

1310
01:38:25,710 --> 01:38:26,070
Okay.

1311
01:38:26,730 --> 01:38:31,990
I am, I hate to be the bad person here, but I'm going to move to remove it tonight.

1312
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:38,510
I just think there's, we have so many other urgent needs, and I know you guys really need

1313
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:39,430
that second plow.

1314
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:50,050
So, I am going to motion to remove that line item, which is what, $199.550, I believe.

1315
01:38:52,870 --> 01:39:00,330
Okay, so there's a motion to remove the Ford F-550 at $199.550. Is there a second?

1316
01:39:00,810 --> 01:39:05,770
Okay, discussion on that. Questions, comments, concerns?

1317
01:39:06,650 --> 01:39:09,030
Yes. We'll start in the back and then work for it.

1318
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:13,750
I'm sorry, I'm trying to, there is a lot of pages, which is why we're

1319
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:16,570
who's the truck for? It's for the parks department.

1320
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:20,910
So if you're in the full, are you in the full packet?

1321
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:31,590
It is page 8 of 10 or 148 of 340.

1322
01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:35,790
Oh boy, yeah. Depending on, I don't know if you're on paper or computer.

1323
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:37,990
I'm on computer trying to scroll through.

1324
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:49,050
Yeah, if you go to 148, it is at the very bottom of that page far left says parks and then it far right is

1325
01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:55,890
$199.550. Yeah, it's to be true. It's fine. Thank you.

1326
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,240
I'm to be sure we really enjoy you.

1327
01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:05,940
Sorry that he's not here. Mostly when he's not here. Councilman Dorsey.

1328
01:40:05,940 --> 01:40:13,520
Just question, if this is voted know what's really all turn to plans.

1329
01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:22,660
I guess we would just kind of put in for the truck that we're trying to replace is a Chevy 3500.

1330
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,440
It's less than 20 years old.

1331
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,600
It's rotten beyond rotten.

1332
01:40:30,060 --> 01:40:32,500
I think we have some pictures of it.

1333
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:40,520
We're hoping that moving up to the next step, we'll get us more longevity on it.

1334
01:40:41,340 --> 01:40:46,560
Again, they're hauling salt all winter long and driving around with it.

1335
01:40:46,900 --> 01:40:52,000
And it just wreaks havoc on these mild steel bodies.

1336
01:40:53,420 --> 01:40:58,440
I'm assuming that the Board of Ed, it doesn't do that with, you know, these are,

1337
01:40:58,440 --> 01:41:04,200
they're buying their trucks for their service people, the HVAC and Carpenter

1338
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:10,060
electrician kind of a thing, but this is you know literally just filled with

1339
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:17,880
the gills with salt and driven around all winter long. I understand but this is

1340
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,080
such a heart obviously you know you've heard a lot of discussion already

1341
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:27,580
tonight and there's just so many other urgent needs and 200 grams you know

1342
01:41:27,580 --> 01:41:36,280
big ticket item. So next year, all behind it. Well, and I think very typically, we're on an

1343
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:41,440
alternating year schedule of snow plows. Is that correct, right? Two, one year, one, another year.

1344
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:50,400
And this leaving in the numbers as is would get you two, two years in a row, correct?

1345
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:57,720
correct, which feels with the 14 plus inches of snow outside, perhaps, like a really important thing.

1346
01:41:59,740 --> 01:42:01,900
Okay, Councilman Isaac, did you have your hand raised?

1347
01:42:03,140 --> 01:42:06,160
Okay, Mr. Estrada, did you have-

1348
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:15,440
I would, I just want to agree with that, at this time I think that the critical, your balancing needs and

1349
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:19,060
you're considering everything.

1350
01:42:19,340 --> 01:42:23,860
It's more important at this time to have the two plows

1351
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,720
than it is for this one part truck.

1352
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,600
We'll come back with the part truck next year

1353
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:29,520
and request that.

1354
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,960
These guys, I always call them our magicians

1355
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,000
because they keep everything going.

1356
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,880
Sometimes I have no idea how.

1357
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:41,260
So I'm gonna rely on them to continue the magic.

1358
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:48,220
But it is the priority really is if possible to consider the two ploughs.

1359
01:42:49,360 --> 01:43:05,120
One of the advantages of considering the ploughs this year as a double purchase is there's a new plow that will be coming out from the manufacturer in a year.

1360
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,660
here. Do you want to talk to that or do you want to reach you to talk to them?

1361
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:18,220
That's a mission space. So on the next year's models, the 2027 models, they're changing

1362
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:25,760
the standards for the diesel emissions, and nobody wants a first year model of anything

1363
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:32,660
that's just coming out. It's the standards are going way through the roof and the changes

1364
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:40,800
that they're making are going to be difficult to deal with, especially, you know, I'm nervous,

1365
01:43:41,180 --> 01:43:45,000
ask, because eventually I'm going to have to come up to you and ask you for more money for

1366
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:52,920
diagnostics software and more computer-based stuff to just take care of it. So we're trying to

1367
01:43:52,920 --> 01:44:04,920
stable off buying anything with that new 2027-based, you know, wait until it's 2028 and

1368
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:11,460
they've got a year in it and see how it's all working. So getting to this year is going

1369
01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:12,620
to put us in front of that.

1370
01:44:15,340 --> 01:44:17,820
Thank you. Yes, Councilman Walsh.

1371
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:25,940
I just had a quick question if the 195,000 is that included a plow with it or is it just a truck itself that's a full full fit out.

1372
01:44:26,180 --> 01:44:29,840
Yeah, okay, that makes a little more sense that a little high for a truck.

1373
01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:33,100
Councilional.

1374
01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:47,000
So the F-550, the B-3 helps plow the parking line or I mean it'd be funny to keep them in a stay for the sun truck, but I mean we're just trying to justify the F-550.

1375
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:59,400
That would be there, I think that they mainly and I'm not really sure they do all the facilities in town, the different buildings.

1376
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,680
And then the parks with these trucks.

1377
01:45:04,820 --> 01:45:08,980
Thank you. Councillor Dorsi. Just some clarity, because we've been throwing

1378
01:45:08,980 --> 01:45:20,400
them on plows and trucks. So, let's, I want to add some clarity. The motion on the floor now is to limit the cost of the 550. Yes. And then whatever happens

1379
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:29,120
that will take a vote. And then within the bonding is the purchase for two plows. The sure, correct. And if I heard the team is fine.

1380
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:34,820
I mean, if this does not pass, meaning the 550 truck is not included.

1381
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:41,110
Okay, I just wanted to clarify anything.

1382
01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:43,710
Go ahead, Councilor Washington.

1383
01:45:44,650 --> 01:45:48,130
So, if we postpone this for one year, then you buy the truck next year.

1384
01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:50,970
That's when you're going to be buying the new model year of the truck.

1385
01:45:51,110 --> 01:45:57,690
That is not the same emissions because of the size of the motor.

1386
01:45:58,610 --> 01:46:06,830
It's not going to change substantially as the heavier class, the class 7 and 8 trucks.

1387
01:46:07,870 --> 01:46:10,450
So like the truck that you're looking for right now.

1388
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:14,190
The 550, if we buy this 550, that wouldn't meet that.

1389
01:46:14,370 --> 01:46:15,770
That should not be in the requirements.

1390
01:46:16,150 --> 01:46:25,150
Emissions wise, those emissions standards, although they are changing the way they're going to

1391
01:46:25,150 --> 01:46:38,230
deal with that on the lower class of truck isn't going to change substantially so on the Ford 550 it's not going to be the big issue on the big freight liner trucks. It's going to be an issue.

1392
01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:45,090
I think your confusion is you're hearing plow and you're hearing 550 and you're hearing plow.

1393
01:46:46,410 --> 01:46:53,950
So my point is, if this truck that we were buying is, if we push it off the year,

1394
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:56,190
would be the first year of that model run?

1395
01:46:56,530 --> 01:46:56,710
No.

1396
01:46:56,810 --> 01:46:57,010
No.

1397
01:46:57,210 --> 01:46:58,070
We need the equipment for that.

1398
01:46:58,210 --> 01:46:59,190
The equipment is very expensive.

1399
01:47:00,470 --> 01:47:02,290
I think Sam, we work on our ambulances.

1400
01:47:02,850 --> 01:47:06,070
I understand that the repair costs are very expensive.

1401
01:47:06,690 --> 01:47:09,350
So it might be actually beneficial to buy the truck now.

1402
01:47:09,630 --> 01:47:12,310
But if it's not going to be that next model,

1403
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:12,830
Right.

1404
01:47:13,290 --> 01:47:13,630
I'm right.

1405
01:47:14,010 --> 01:47:18,950
That model that's changing significantly is the freight line or the large capacity plow.

1406
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:19,890
That doesn't mean anything.

1407
01:47:19,890 --> 01:47:20,850
That do the streets.

1408
01:47:21,490 --> 01:47:24,870
This, the 550 is more parks and parking lots.

1409
01:47:25,790 --> 01:47:25,950
Thank you.

1410
01:47:30,330 --> 01:47:31,590
There's a motion on the floor.

1411
01:47:31,870 --> 01:47:35,210
Any other questions on the motion to remove the $199.550.

1412
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:36,870
Okay.

1413
01:47:36,990 --> 01:47:37,830
We'll take a vote on that.

1414
01:47:38,190 --> 01:47:39,730
All in favor of removing that.

1415
01:47:41,230 --> 01:47:41,790
Opposed?

1416
01:47:42,890 --> 01:47:43,450
Abstentions.

1417
01:47:44,450 --> 01:47:45,010
Okay.

1418
01:47:45,010 --> 01:47:47,050
Okay, now we'll continue.

1419
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:55,320
So we did highways already, which had fleet in it, and then we went to parks that had

1420
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:55,860
fleeting it.

1421
01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:59,360
I want to make sure we're all set to continue past the highway fleet.

1422
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:02,480
All right.

1423
01:48:02,900 --> 01:48:06,080
That brings us to economic development,

1424
01:48:11,530 --> 01:48:12,450
engineering,

1425
01:48:17,060 --> 01:48:19,340
other projects, and

1426
01:48:22,380 --> 01:48:23,920
then last to WPCI.

1427
01:48:27,980 --> 01:48:28,180
Okay.

1428
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,740
Any other discussion before we get a new total from Maria?

1429
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:32,620
Councilman Centau.

1430
01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:35,540
Hi, Maria.

1431
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:44,940
I got your email. Thank you for the information. Just got a question for you. Just

1432
01:48:44,940 --> 01:48:53,720
make sure. So on the email that you sent, just one example is 2026. The principal, that's this

1433
01:48:53,720 --> 01:49:00,360
year coming up. The principal was 12 million eight six eight hundred sixty thousand. And on that,

1434
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,920
that we had to pay $5 million in interest.

1435
01:49:04,860 --> 01:49:06,240
Now is that just on that one bond?

1436
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:07,760
It was at the whole entire bond?

1437
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:08,900
Or that just a payment?

1438
01:49:09,020 --> 01:49:11,540
All issues that are still open.

1439
01:49:12,300 --> 01:49:16,220
So you with these, but the interest is on just 12 million.

1440
01:49:16,420 --> 01:49:18,240
And that bond was 12 million.

1441
01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:21,580
The principal payment was 12 million for the whole,

1442
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:23,940
all the bond issues that were due for that year.

1443
01:49:24,380 --> 01:49:26,500
OK, for that 2020, whatever year that was,

1444
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,280
that would be 2006.

1445
01:49:28,780 --> 01:49:29,560
Yeah, going back.

1446
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:34,920
Yes. Okay. So in 2006, so in 20 years we paid $5 million in interest.

1447
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,460
Additional questions before we get the new total.

1448
01:49:47,790 --> 01:49:49,610
Okay, Maria, you want to give us the new

1449
01:49:49,610 --> 01:49:52,790
total? Yes, the new total is 14,420.

1450
01:49:55,460 --> 01:50:01,040
That's adjusted for funding costs, bonding costs.

1451
01:50:01,820 --> 01:50:06,000
So 14,420? 14,420,000.

1452
01:50:09,550 --> 01:50:10,950
Okay, so we have a new total.

1453
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:17,950
Do we need to just vote overall or do we need to vote on the new total and then on the

1454
01:50:17,950 --> 01:50:19,010
whole resolution?

1455
01:50:20,910 --> 01:50:23,350
All right, great, even better.

1456
01:50:23,690 --> 01:50:32,970
So we have a new resolution total of 14,420,000, all in favor, opposed, abstentions.

1457
01:50:34,190 --> 01:50:39,330
All right, Margaret, does that get us all set with those two resolutions?

1458
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:45,730
I declare those two resolutions adopted.

1459
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:49,210
And with that, we are at the end of our meeting.

1460
01:50:50,050 --> 01:50:53,110
Can I have a motion to adjourn?

1461
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:55,430
Thank you, second.

1462
01:50:55,630 --> 01:50:55,770
Second.

1463
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:56,370
All in favor?

1464
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:58,430
All right.

1465
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:59,290
Have a great night, everybody.