There there was a
one of I don't know I got to get on with
this thing without getting too deep but
there was one of the sheriff deputies
that took the training program cost
$2,400 officers
And so I'm curious to know what those
trainings consist of that cost that kind
of money. We should have some sort of an
explanation.
The
I I guess the real one
you'll hear is
me at least.
There's a jail mandates jail maintenance
in detention painting
for $119,000.
Now I'm sitting there thinking we have a
maintenance department.
Surely some of those folks are capable
of painting.
$119,000
sounds like a lie. Somebody needs to
explain that stuff to me.
Maybe nobody else is in with that, but I
am. I looked at this stuff and I'm
curious to know why you see some of
these numbers but nobody's around to say
hey here's the reason for that.
So how how do we handle that situation?
I don't know. You just say well we're
not paying unless you explain can't do
that. That's not fair.
But I think it's fine for some of our
department heads
to take responsibility on some of this
stuff. We're the ones ultimately that
say, "Yeah, it's okay." And nobody's
here to to
answer the questions.
So, I don't know. It It's just It's just
mindboggling that some of this stuff is
going on and has went on for years.
Takes time to get a hold of it. I'm on
the internet. I believe down downturn in
revenues. This kind of stuff just can't
continue.
So that's my speech.
So do you know how many credit cards did
you all issue them there in clerk's
office or who they issued the cards?
>> Yes, we issued them from our office. I
believe there's 17.
>> That's all you put out? 17 cards.
one for each department.
So my second question is so Doug Blake's
here might be able to tell tell us where
they you know
>> yeah they redid all
>> stand up yet so green hall maintenance
uh they did a redid all the pod and that
was something that the jail did never it
was their project that they came up with
their
maintenance was not involved and they
stripped that all the
They came in and sand blasted that all
the way back down to original structure
and then they reprimedimed and the whole
thing and that still took then and then
and that was almost six seven weeks that
it took to do that with [clears throat]
I don't know the painting crew had seven
people and the sand blasting crew had
four people. So what is that 9,000 hours
man hours of labor where that's way out
of that would take our whole entire
department two months to do and you
would be able to go do anything else or
follow the other people that have a
disaster every day and we were not
involved in it. It was something that
the jail and the sheriff did on their
own.
Thanks. Okay.
And
how's how's Andre? Doing better. He's
walking. He says his leg feels a lot
better. Thanks. He was going to try to
come over, but
stay here all day.
So, Commissioner Stevens,
I along with others on the board, do you
go through accounts payable? Yes.
And one of the issues that come in is
at this point in time the work has
already been done and the items have
typically been purchased or procured
and they have made a commitment to pay.
I've notated the questions that you have
that are open questions
in that regard. Are there items on table
that you don't want to pay and the
information on the ultimate.
>> I I think I think payments need to be
paid. I'm just I'm just questioning the
fact
the detention center and we have we have
a maintenance.
» So I don't see a representative from the
SO here. So at the next meeting I'd ask
that sheriff's department be put on the
agenda for explanation of that meeting
that is
>> yeah yeah that's fine all I all I'm
asking for is an explanation why like in
the radios for instance they're all
parish radio according to what I've seen
here why the big difference I'm sure
there must be some special I don't even
radio I don't know but it would help
I I don't disagree with
Please.
>> Okay. So, you know, I'm curious to see
if it was in the budget. Probably was,
but we didn't.
>> Yeah. And then, you know, whether we are
taking bids on this big project any
two cents worth. Okay. So, we'll go
ahead and insert that on the agenda as
far as questions if we can. In addition,
uh we'd like to have the departments
that purchase the radios come forward at
the next meeting so we can fully have
the transpire
that acceptable.
>> That's fine.
Y
so with that being said placed on the
next agenda we go back to account
payable goal of 1,340,85284
other further discussion on this
accounts payable 3402
Thank you. Is [clears throat] there a
second?
Have a motion and a second. All
in favor?
>> Any opposed?
>> Thank you.
Uh, next
Billy P, please.
got [clears throat] an activity
list.
Um
just
starting to get
pretty much all roads open needed open
about a month ahead
still want to get that slush and put
snow on them off to dry it out. moment
finishing up.
The gun club had a lot of mud issues, a
lot of issues. We just kind of clean up
some stuff out there, brought in little
material, make it
walking in the land and stuff. Probably
get down out there and do some more
approach. last year. We'll put that
pipeline in to kind of mess up the drive
going in there. So, finishing that up
today
should be out of there.
Start start putting
place all the cattle bars out there on
dry pining. There's some wor out. So,
I'm going to try to get that done before
it gets more busy. I've got a drainage
issue at the golf course. So, I'm going
try to get that done.
Um
let's kind of branches up too right now
still with this land where there is
still bond ra
still blows I got a blade I'm sure up
there almost every day um
other than that you guys questions on my
activities
um
I got call the forest service um about a
large creek.
I don't know if a lot of you guys
remember here a few years ago. You know,
there's always been that last mile of
road
um from where ours
been to the for a mile of road.
We never could get that agreement with
that echo since Bob Herorth signed. So,
um that part of the road was really bad.
Well, the horse service contacted me and
they're going to do cell and stuff up
there. So, they're trying to get right
now on this half of the road. Bob her is
the other half. We never could get that
agreement
done. Um
talked to Bob Hering yesterday. Um the
force service guys been on me so I sent
him to Bob because it's kind of up to
them you know um
Bob's good with their agreement. Nobody
can get a hold of so the forest service
I left it in their part to try to work
out.
I guess my question is um Bob would
rather the county have them easement
through there than the forest service.
Um that part of the road needs a lot of
work. Um
I you know I've been talking with Forest
Service. They said they would homie up a
little bit because it's like pretty much
undrivable. It's like side by side and
um so you know because I have no for us
to rebuild that part of that mile roads
you know I have to haul everything to
pretty much and I start building the
only pit that's close there's a pit
right down there off of the barge creek
that Keith Hughes owns but he's pretty
much took all the material down for the
power plant down in Kimry so I'd have to
haul all that out of dry plant so you
but it costs quite a bit to rebuild that
part of the road. So, the Forest Service
said that I said, you know,
I have no problem doing a lot of the
work. Um, but I do know there's some
gravel pits on LeBard. So,
>> how do you do it? You know, it' be my
recommendation to the commissioners that
>> we're even if you guys even want these,
unless you just want the forest service,
but I think the land owners are going to
want the county to have it.
>> For service. So my thing was is I my
recommendation is you know the only way
we going to do the take the easement is
if they supply the gravel because there
is gravel pits up there that would say
you know couple hundred,000 in trucking
so anyway but I don't know if you guys
even want to mess with it. So that's I
told him I would ask today and move
forward.
So Billy uh can't do anything till the
Eckles gives in.
>> Yeah, because Eckles the way that
easement is, it's like it's like they
both own half the road,
>> right?
>> Bob, I talked to him the other day. Like
you said, he'd rather the county have
the easement.
>> I mean, back in the day, you know, we
thought it was all going to go and we
built the fence. So, it's been fenced
that extra mile cuz we jumped the gun on
that. But, um, you know, that last mile
of road is bad shape,
>> but there's not much we can do though.
>> There's nothing we can do till I mean,
Bob said he was signed to the county. He
don't know if he'll sign for the forest
service. He likes the idea of the
logging and stuff, but um he said he's
up and you know they'd have to really
talk to him to get it done. He he signed
with us that far right now, but we the
last time we had
it's really hard to get in touch with
them people.
they got to go through like all these
attorneys and and stuff and um so
honestly leaving that up to the forest
service but I know if they do I I guess
my question is is if you guys even want
the easement or if you want me to say no
forest service it's on you guys
pursuing sounds like quite a
nonre
to see something happen there if we can.
>> I have no problem doing anything. Like I
said, I I would like to the Forest
Service to pull me up the gravel, you
know, because there's
>> and that's basically this there's just
big there's no road. It's just big holes
and everything. So, it's going to take a
lot of native pit road, you know, to get
it
>> and get some drainage and stuff. And
they have pits up there and I I I you
know, I've been in contact with them and
they they say they'll you know, they're good with that.
>> You know, we'll see.
» Do you bring an estimated cost of that
place?
>> Well, like I said, the gravel was up
there. I mean it to get it to get it up
to you know where you can use them with
the vehicle you it you know if they
supply the gravel probably be
you know around 125,000
you know that's what I just estimated
but other I mean 100,000 just
such you know it's a long ways it's be
like 34 miles one way
So Billy, Mr. Chairman. So Billy, this
you would do yourself. You done hire?
>> Well, I would have to if because it it
take if we have to haul it out of our
pit. I might try Ping the heroin pit.
>> I'd have to hire trucks. Yeah. Because
it it just take it take us three years
to be able to grow up there. But there's
I like I said I
my opinion
I wouldn't do it I wouldn't even do it
unless the for surface let us use one of
them pits one of them old gravel pits up
there
the gravel
>> well it's just it's just native I mean
just to get you won't have to do nothing
it's it's nice stuff
um
>> you know then that would that would then
I wouldn't hire nobody. We could just do
it. The big thing just time that Miles
hauling it all the way, you know.
So without the
without E signing off, there's no way to
do it.
>> There's no way to do it. So that for
service is trying to work it. I mean,
they're even talking domain, you know,
and I I wasn't really for that. Um, but
I just think I do think I do.
But I just I hope for some see if you
guys were
even
you know okay if they do if all this
comes through they'd be the invest
Orange.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then where where the
county stops
there's that mile to the forest service
and it's it's like almost undrivable. I
mean
um they can't take horse trailers or
campers or anything spot. You know,
where we stop it be more or less that
bad trains
is a huge safety concern.
>> Oh yeah. From fire you access it
but there there you know and I kind of
think the forest service because there's
no way I mean there's we
you know we didn't get that far in the
conversation but there's no way you're
going to get lo trucks up there. So
they're going to have to they're going
to have to do some work on the on the
road to even get log trucks on it. So
they're you know they're going to have
to do something. So
chairman
just so everybody knows I'm not at all
against it. Steve Hoffman would probably
give everyone us a hug, you know, if we
did this, but the last time we took over
roads got roasted. Okay. So, you know, I
mean, I think we have put a little
thought into this
for a couple meetings or or what's
>> it take I mean I guess I mean it's going
to take a while back. I just he was just
wanted to know if um cuz like Bob Bob's
hold kind of tough with letting the
Forest Service have the easement. He'd
rather sign it over to us. So, I guess
we're just trying to figure out what
angle we need to try to work forward to.
So, if the foreign service was to get
over Monday, would the county have a
total easement or is it still going to
be a shared deal? you know that if
Eckles and Har were signing over to the
county, it would be our ement to and
then, you know, we'd have it would tie
in off of our other ement
on to to the force.
Okay. So, explain.
Okay, I'm kidding. the movement.
>> Um,
they
back in the day when we first started
doing this, there was some they went up
the Forest Service had done some, you
know, still motorized vehicles and stuff
and um
kind of blocked some of the areas they
used to like drive on and stuff up
there. And so it was kind of kind of a
not they were kind of feuding with the
forcers hero organicles and so
that we never could get that holes hung
with Bob. They were like, "Yeah, you
know, unless Forest Service back in the
day, Bob would sign it over and Edles
would sign it over to the county user
service use it." Well, we couldn't do
that. So, that's it just kept it just
kept going back and forth like that. And
then Eckles has said, "I I ain't signing
any anyone."
So, and then Bob was like, "No, I'm
done." So, it's just been a lot of years
now. And now Bob Bob's like, I you know,
he says, I think the county should have
that extra, you know, that last mile.
He's still not crazy about the Forest
Service, but he likes the idea of going
up there and logging and doing that
stuff. And he he really
said to me, you know, he wants the
public to be able to, you know, get up
there. that part of the road is so bad
that you know it's it's kind of
unpassable unless you side by side.
So he's kind of I think everybody's kind
of calm down. It's just really hard to
get a hold of. Um you got to you got to
call his attorney and and you never talk
to
family. You got to go through all their
people.
But the forest service, I guess what
they were want to know is that how they
what their next step is that the county
will um be willing to take the easement.
They'll try to give,
you know, get e to come to us and sign.
Um and then but then you know we'll be stuck with the maintenance on
the road you know once it's
proposed time to revisit this building
>> I it's going to take but it'll take the
forest service. I think it's quite you
know probably a few weeks a month
probably here for eles that's normally
the time frame there.
>> I can just keep you up you know informed
you know and we can make that decision.
>> Sounds good. Thank you.
>> Okay.
Um,
other than that, um, I know Eric's got
some updates and stuff. I was just
curious. We're doing everything. Um, I
know the bike path things come up. So, I
just wanted you you [clears throat] guys
want us to work on I mean, I did the
temporary fixes. I don't know how long
that'll last. Um, I don't know if you
want us to put numbers together and try
to, you know, fit it in with our chip
seal stuff, you know, because I was
planning on using the gas tax for the
some of that money to use chip sailing
and that and maybe we can put that in
with that. But I just was going to get
some what you guys think.
taking some really good pictures and
grab blank bats around the state to show
you these states.
>> Yeah.
I've seen some really nice rotoill
ones and stuff like we that one we did
that we tore out and did, you know, they turn out not bad. Um,
[laughter]
you know,
>> so is it still in the cards that we
fixing then gave them to the town? Is
that
>> Yes. Yes.
And Clayton could probably talk about
that a little bit. I know I know you got
all the agreements. It's just we just
got to get them up to par, right? Yeah.
If uh Mr. Chairman, um
Billy, as I recall, I think these guys
looked at it last fall and said, "We
don't want to spend the money." It was
like a million bucks.
>> Yeah,
>> I think that was what it was. It's about
a million bucks to bring all that stuff
up if I'm not if I'm remembering
correctly. And that that was a couple
years ago. So it's probably Mike it's
probably a little more
but it's all
>> but once we get them up then the town
will take theirs more will take theirs
big pine and then then we're we're done
with just the voice count.
I said if you want us to I know budget's
coming. I didn't know if you want us to
try to put numbers together.
Um because
there is some the stuff I did, you know,
it'll it'll last a little while, but I
don't have the same.
I think last year we we spoke about
continuing moving forward on it,
made that representation to a number of
people. So be prudent to get some cost
and say okay
it
>> okay or not
good dealates
just got some uh project updates starts
out
pulling out the old fence so they're
probably
remove the old bridge, get the piles out
so they can start excavating and start
installing that block. Hopefully the
roads only closed for a couple weeks,
but picked a good week to start. So, we
should get done before they want to turn
the water on. So, off to a good start on
that two days in, but no problems yet.
And then I sent you guys the quick
design that I done on rear and draw so
far. So, I'm still working on that one.
I finally got back to the supplier. The
way I designed it was to match the cover
that we had. So, we had to go with the
thicker plates. And since that structure
is so big,
just delivered it was $200,000 for that
structure. But if we go to the thinner
plates and put three and a half ft of
cover over the structure down to
159,000. So, that's the design going to
import more crutch base and ramp the
road over that box over. So, I'll get
those plans ready. We probably won't
we'll bid it and then have construction
after November. So, this year's
off, replace that possibly.
» I see you got it designed for like a 6'1
clearance underneath.
>> Is that going to be enough to get in
there and clean the stuff out? Uh, I
just tried to match what the excavation
that we did or what the how they cut it
out to where it is now. If we go bigger,
those costs are going to go up. So,
that's that's kind of what I did was
match what's there. It's cuz it it's so
flat that it will silt in,
but maybe a back truck can clean it out
a little bit easier. You get the center
and you can work in it. But yeah, that's
kind of so the gravel plate or floor
you've got under it, that's what's
required. You could of course see CM
under that or just
>> I mean that would be more expensive.
These pre-made plates that they come
with the usually it's the cheapest
option they have. You can do footers
where it's empty in between and then you
can cut in between. But then if there
ever is scour it undercuts those
foundations and you got to fix that. So
that's kind of why we usually do the
full full box.
Okay. And then the other thing is uh
when I get reared and done, I'll start
design on the uh cattle project. So I
just wanted to make sure that we still
wanted to go ahead with that. The four
we were looking at
was the industrial site, Pindel South,
Half Moon, and White Pine.
So those were the four we were looking
at getting done this year.
Talk about doing these in house.
change. Uh, we had mentioned we had
mentioned that I could look into what it
would cost to be have it'd be a separate
project to have Adams or somebody
pre-cast them and then have them on
supply, but same time when the county
goes to do it, they'd have to rent a
crane and schedule them. But I can
certainly
get prices on what it would cost for
Adams to pre-cast them and then get with
Billy to see what the feasibility is on.
Personally, I think it's worth looking
at after this last debacle out here and
the cost of those things. Let's see what
it cost in the house for pre-cast.
>> Yeah. Every year, the last two years,
they've been about 350,000. So, this
round would probably be around that
400,000 because they're a little bigger
for the half moon and white pine. We're
going to have to put detours in because
there's no way around
on those. So, that's kind of what we're
looking at.
But I can I can put numbers together to
see what uh just getting those
foundations poured and delivered would
cost and come back with you on that.
>> Okay,
>> Mr. Chairman. So, where's the one at
White Pine?
>> Just before White Pine. It's on the main
top.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, is that even necessary?
I mean, where they're not keeping cattle
up there anymore?
Uh I know when we did the project we
asked the forest service to pull a
couple of those and they said we had to
keep them. So but then that was a
federal project that so I think we need
double check on that because that's
absolutely doing nothing you know and
there's no fences. There's nothing out
there that I mean cattle is doing no
good because they go around if there was
something up there. So I mean
I can certainly reach out to him since
he was there maybe 50 years ago they
grazed up there or something but I think
that was very
>> I know when we did the bottom the first
portion of the skyline thought that fire
had gone through and the fences were
burned down and they they made us put it
in anyway and they put the fences back
>> but there's blow there. It's a different
deal. So, I don't know. I've always
wondered why the cavard's even there.
>> This is County Road. I can certainly
reach out to them and see what they say.
>> Well, I think that
that's pretty much all I have for you.
This may get pearl here, but your
engineering or your estimate on this
rear draw room is 385,000 or something.
[clears throat] doesn't have any
engineering estimate in it, which I can
understand why you don't send your
engineering estimate out to be because
>> I think those estimates what it's going
to cost for your guys' service, we ought
to be seeing
>> I we we typically put those those budget
estimates we include the 10% for
engineering and then 10% for
construction. So when we do the
estimates that we get
>> going to go through one here a little
bit fairgrounds are for the third time
and some of that scope changed and who knows if the engineering
changed I don't have any idea because we
have no in my mind no baseline where you guys was proposed to be at
>> I think there's a bit of a checkbook
here for you guys that I want to start
seeing all these bids before they go
out.
>> Yeah. Typically all we can do is good
rule of thumb is 10% for design and then
10% for during construction and we try
and stay we're typically under that if
that's usually the you see every every
bill that comes in engineering fee for
whatever the project might be and it
always well how much we paid on that how
much we have paid on that
we need more clear direction on you
guys' costing
Thank you. Thank you.
Back on the
cattle guards I did last year when when
I put that in that fix. I reached out to
the foreign service and asked them. They
told me there's no way to build that
vest and they're none of that.
>> So you worked on that category last
year.
>> Well, we Yeah, because it keeps sinking.
It's traffic, you know, hits it. So we raised it. Keep putting shims under
and raised it. I I'm just like you. I'm
like there's no fence. So I reached out
to them because I was gonna pull it and
they said no they're gonna have cows up there. They
said I got the fence picked
haven't seen cows.
>> I know me and [clears throat]
>> well I appreciate if you just run by
them again.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean because I think actually wasting
some money here right quick.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
So, Rim Road um got everything we asked
for the um 100 foot easement, the extra
roof turnarounds and extra areas to put
snow catchers. Um but Clay wants to hold
it because he's got some questions that
he wants to see if we can work out. So,
I was going to have
guys sign we're kind of hold off.
So
other than that um [snorts]
waste management it's it's good. Um
starting starting to pick up getting
busy. Um the the building's pretty much
done. Turned out really nice. So we did a lot of extra
middle Blakes spent tons of time with
the fire
system in there. Um and but then all the
construction
is almost done pretty much. They the way
we did the the building, you know, it's
like a building inside of building and
then sprinklers were in the roof and all
that. We kind of we kind of changed that
design a little bit where it had where
you could store stuff on top. We did
away with that. We made it sloped and we
put tin on in that so if we ever have
sprinklers go off again, it won't rot in
the break room and the offices and the
bathrooms and all that. Uh turned out
really nice.
Fire working good. Um so we're good
there. um golf course
and starting to go hot out there since
the ice line is starting to hel off.
We're out there doing stuff to fair
dragon picking up, you know, on debris
doing, like I said, probably later this
week, first part of next week, I got a
number eight. I got to put some drains
in. Um so, we'll get out there and get
that done. Um, just trying to get
everything going to be open.
» Mr. Chairman, I had a question. Golf
course. So, Billy, I got a couple of
letters here. Do you know about these
uh homeowners and the from the golf
course?
>> Oh, yeah. About the
dogs and stuff.
>> Yeah. I mean I just I mean I didn't know
anything about it till I got contacted
you know people that you know and
[clears throat] it's kind of surprise I
you know if I have knew they were going
out I' been more a little more prepared.
>> We we send letters out every year just
um since we've been there just because
every year we have um issues we have
stuff that arise. Um the big thing is is
when the you know they'll just come out
and start playing from whatever hole.
And so we just we just send out
reminders that they got to, you know,
let us know because that course is so
busy now that, you know, they they got
to let us know they can't just jump in
on a hole without us knowing, you know,
because we got, you know,
they they tee off every 12 minutes, you
know, so we start having a lot of
complaints about that. So, we just send
out a letter to all the homeowners just
letting them know, you know, remember to
call us and we make sure we have our
emails and stuff like that. And then
last year we had we had numerous dog,
you know, we had the big deal with, you
know, the guy getting bit stuff like
that and that was an ordeal going to be
with Clayton and Yeah. I mean, so we
just, you know, tell people to really
watch their dogs and that it's just kind
of a letter to
just remind them that, you know, what we
expect, you know, so we don't have
issues.
>> I have no objection to what the letter
what's in it has nothing to do with it.
Maybe if you'll just tell us next year
when you do, you know, because
>> Oh, okay. So, yeah,
>> I mean, it's kind of like anonymous.
There's no signatures on there whether
we sent it out or you sent it out or
>> Well, the one we sent out had, you know, the, you know, we we put,
you know, we sent it out to and we had
our, you know, logo and everything on
it.
So, this one doesn't
>> Oh, I think that was probably um
probably that they must just printed
that off the email or something because
some of them some of them we didn't have
mailing addresses. We just we just had
their email.
>> Okay. But like I say, I appreciate if
you know just let us know that you know
you're going to do that because you like
say I had I know you don't know who my
neighbor is. So,
>> Oh, yeah.
Uh, hey jumped out of stri that. So
>> yes,
>> thanks.
>> You bet.
>> On that, Billy. In addition, they came
back with a
appropriate rebuttal ladder on certain
items.
>> Yeah.
>> And
I would think that we need we should
address that and come up with some
options that are available. That's
having people come and walk through your
yard.
might be hard for some people and to
have people urinating in front of your
house with children is not acceptable,
>> right? Um, so there we may need to
come up with some different options that
we can utilize.
>> Well, anytime you know that we hear that or see that, you know,
we basically, [clears throat] you know,
make them leave the course, you know.
Um,
the
I mean it's like retrieving their balls.
I mean, the ones that have fences, you
know, um, you know, a lot of them don't
have fences and stuff. I mean, if if if
they call us and stuff, you know,
willing to do this, we can um,
you know, a lot of them like I read that
letter, too. A lot of them, you know,
the the walls in their houses and that,
you know, it's kind of up to them to put
nets up and stuff. I mean, a lot of it
is I mean, we can do what we can, you
know, but um they got to offer and let
us know. I mean, that some of that's the
first time I've ever heard that. I mean,
we got portaots out there. We got
bathrooms out there. Um, you know,
they just got to communicate with us and
we'll we'll help them as much as we can.
>> Great.
didn't bring that up and I'm sure it's
problem faced nationwide.
>> Yeah,
>> thank you.
» Please Shan Cooper
sorry
we need
stage. Thank you
and
Build
it.
Okay. Well, this is kind of the breakdown that I
sent out here last week to you. I hope
hopefully you received that and went
through it.
I guess first of all, um I apologize for
any misunderstanding during the last few
weeks as to what this total project's
going to cause
in the future. I'll make every every
effort to include this kind of as a
break time even when they're dealing
with bids and contracts. It's dealing
specifically with the work being done.
But Mr. gravity through loud and clear
on these projects. We'll make sure that
show us front end what we're estimating
as far as what you know design costs are
and construction in this just so
everybody understands the bottom line
what what is this cost. So
apologize for the you know successive
weeks of having to deal with this. Um I did break it out so you all understand
what this is going to cost. Um I did
have it kind of broke down like that. It
was I guess a little bit more messy
because of that whole project costs as
far as option A plus the base bid was
the base bid only. So that's where we're
at. Um I guess carrying [clears throat]
that further the shade contract I
reached out to Tangi let know our
situation that this meeting was going to
be happening Tuesday and they agreed to
stick with the same go that we've had
since January. So there's no adjustments
to that we had previously in January.
Um so the numbers all still you know are
indicated on this on this tab sheet. Um
and I understand
you know this what what I indicated
there was what we had into design
engineering which was has been the paid
board up through the end of life
and what
you know what we would have for a budget
we're dealing with as far as
construction goes to the close out
>> that 86,000 that been paid already.
>> Yes.
in the project.
I do have a signed agreement back from
teleractors for the $921,735.
Um, I did submit that agreement in the
entire project manual to uh Clayton's
office for review. Um, it did review and
hope to them. So,
questions.
>> I got one of them. I mean, so at one
time he's talking about the extra
supports for that roof that's brought
up. Is that all been talked about
covering
>> for the roof the the shade system?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So we've we've got we've got money
in Teletractor's account for having
because we're basically once we get the
engineering back from the shade company
and they say this is what we're going to
need for the sports we have got money in
the contract set aside for that 25,000
is part of the patellacctor's bid may
not need all of that that's basically
the set aside to account for extra
concrete work.
But with project getting a phase one
taken out of it or back
your $85,000 engineering fee that that's
adjusted down to the current project.
Yes.
this point in time, we're looking for
approval for denial of the
additional $200,000. We've approved the
last meeting um
and then $21,735.
Mr. Chairman, I made a motion patiently
looked at Skype about including the rest
of the costs. So after throwing out
there to approve this project 1 1,126,18
motion second have a motion and a
second. Any further discussion?
All in favor?
>> Oppos?
» We get two on that please. Motion pass.
Thank you, Commissioners.
priority.
» Hey, good morning, commissioners. How
are you? Good. Um, I'll be brief just to
try to get through the report, but it's
just my standard monthly report. you
guys have in front of you. Our budget's
about in alignment with the percentage
of year used with percentage of budget
expenditures. A little formula that ML's
done a great job to track down a couple
of grants to help pay for the wildland
fire um shelters that that we brought to
your attention a few months ago. So,
we're in the process of purchasing those
shelters as we speak. Um last month,
there were 16 calls total. You'll see
the breakdown in in each of the
stations. No open fire investigations,
uh, no public education, uh,
presentations presented in in February.
Our firewise programs continuing to go
strong. You can see all the activities
that that Josie has been working on. Uh,
no smoke detector installations last
month. Training is going strong. Our our
annual recruit academy is uh in full
swing. They they've been using the the
uh fire train facility basically over
the weekend.
a lot of other activities and trainings
going on down there. Um,
and focusing on hazmat first aid CPR
training. We did just finish every 5
years. Uh, we're required to complete a
uh structural assessment of the fire
training facility to make sure that it's
not uh, you know, falling down around
our ears basically and that it's safe to
uh, conduct live fire training in there.
So, we just completed doing that that
5year inspection. Uh everything came
back just fine. There's some some minor
maintenance issues, but uh no no no need
for budget or anything to address it.
Just a some minor paint touch-ups and a
couple of doors that weren't closing
correctly. It's minor issue there. Um
and then beyond that, just regular
voluntary service meetings and their
coordinator, local, state, and federal
partners and
just the the volunteer hours and the
additional activities the firef. So with
that, I'm happy to stand for any
questions.
I want to ask a question that I was
confused about earlier. sheriff leaders
about
curious
in the radios purchased in the last
couple of trips
also works all over the country search
and rescue for search and rescue had
five air radios 2546
fire had four of them 4270 so I know
there has to be a different so what's
the difference in the in the two two
sets radio.
>> Commissioner Bernard, I'm not prepared
to speak to that right now. I don't have
that invoice in front of me and I can't answer from memory what what the
exact invoice was. Um, I can I can tell
you that there's a uh a statewide
um uh what's the word? I'm looking for a
state
plate and there's here um there's a
uh shares what's the name of the the the
contract that L3 Harris signed
specifying the the lowest price
available in the state of Wyoming for L3
products
>> through RCS? Yeah. just a local vendor
price
long or a public service gets a a
discount um or the lowest price that
they can guarantee.
>> Yeah. And and Southern County receives
that that benefit for emergency
responders. So that they they are the
chosen vendor from from the manufacturer
from L3 Harris. The price that that we
receive um is is their their published
pricing for
radios.
I can't tell you, you know, what the
sheriff's been purchasing for his radios
and anything else. I can just tell you
that, you know, what we purchased, but
like I said, if um if you if you'd like
me to review the the invoice, I I
certainly can pull that invoice and come
back next time and speak to you. I just
want to say that we have this scheduled
for next meeting. So, we'll just
continue this path and move on to the
next line.
So we have it already on the next
agenda. We'll cover it at that point.
Thank you.
Further questions.
» Thank you.
I come to ask for some help. Um,
we live in the community or subdivision
out here on 351. We got some issues out
there with some people driving fast.
uh talked to Casey about it. He said
they could come out and they could give
a ticket, but then the county county
attorney would just throw it out. I need
to find out what we've got to do where
we can maybe enforce some of the laws
out there. Uh help us out out there
because this gentleman's he's a kid. Um
rides 505 mph down our road out there.
We've got families, young kids. stuff
like that. So, we're just asking for
some help from the county to find out
what we can do to get this taken care
of. We pay our taxes just like everybody
else does and stuff. And no one thinks
we should do the same
benefit I guess as everybody else does
except
we're looking for some help. What we're
looking for if you guys can give us any
Yes, sir.
Uh Clayton,
» which road is it? Mr. Mr. Chairman sir
road.
Just pass back off to the north.
» 351.
>> Yes, sir.
Oh, 351.
» Yeah.
>> Oh, I see.
[clears throat]
>> I'll have to look into potential
enforcing issues and I can touch base
with uh sheriff later and would circle
back. But yes, in the event that it the question does come up whether or not
you can enforce or not. Uh speed limits
are only enforceable on public roads
where there are speed studies that have
been conducted. I can't speak to what
this looks like. I I don't know. I'd
have to do some research and get back to
you. But in all likelihood, if it is a
private road and it is maintained as a
private road, uh there is no ability for
traffic enforcement on a private road.
Okay. So, what what do we have to do to
get some kind of enforcement out there
uh for this situation? I mean, you know,
we're stuck out there by ourselves. Um
we don't get nothing from the county.
It's private road. I take care of the
road most of the time. Um you know, so I
need what can we do to get some help out
there for the community and for our
little community out there. There's
quite a few folks out there that are
living there and stuff. Um and and you
know we kind of like where we're doing
where we're living at and stuff. But you
know again we get back to you know the
growth stuff's not the issue. It's the
being able to force a speed limit when
you got a man that we've asked numerous
times
to slow down to try to keep you know
from somebody getting hurt or a cow from
getting hit or a horse from getting hit
or something like that. But yet we can't
get no no no help from our our county or
our sheriff's department. That's kind of
ridiculous on my part. I think anyway,
you know, we pay taxes instead for for
this to live here. So, you know, Mr.
Chairman, sir, how about we have a
conversation after me to talk through
[clears throat]
exactly what this all looks like and and
some of those steps that you need to do.
Again, I'd have to do some research on
the plots and figure out exactly what
the status of the road is and everything
else before I can fully answer those
questions.
>> Sure.
I'd like to piggy back on that partic
also. It's not maintained by the county
and I recognize notably the county to
maintain it for me. I have to bring it
up to county specifications as a class
one road. Go through the expense of that
plus uh the appropriate easements right
away on the sides of the road. Um, and
in order for me to do that,
it would be up to the land owners to put
that cost. All the land owners would
have to give an easement to do that. And
once that's brought up, at that point in
time, I could have that road.
I experienced the same thing as as you
do. I lost a dog here several weeks ago
and the person speeding through and they
didn't even have the decency to stop.
So, I I recognize what you're going
through.
But if there were something that I could
do in regards to my role, I can't. But I
would share that with you if that makes
sense.
I pay taxes just the same as you and
everyone else on the road. And we're
just kind of those areas that there's no
solution unless we
purchased it that way and it wasn't
developed in the subdivision. That's
what we have to accept. Right.
>> And I'm not trying to be callous about
being nobody.
>> I understand that. But and I'm not
worried about the road. I'm not here for
the road stuff. I'm more worried about a
young young kid or something get run
over out there because some jack can't,
you know, slow down and obey the laws
and stuff.
I don't want that to happen. Period. You
know, I used to dig holes in front of my
uh yard there. So people would remorse
and slow down
as that seems
>> Mr. J.
>> So and I understand Marvin we've talked
about this and I goofed you up last time
remember on the meeting. Uh but you know
the sheriff's office will go onto
private property and do things you know
and I I'd like to know what the
difference is you know on your private
property or going on a private residence
to investigate something. So there has
to be some kind of coverage per say
hopefully
can work some out.
>> Well, and that's when I asking these
questions, you know, because we're a
lost out there, you know, and this has
been going on quite a bit. The young man
has since moved on, so it's not so bad
right now, but there for about a year
and a half, it was it was a problem, you
know, and I'm talking this this kid
running 50 55 mph. There should be 20,
you know, and so we need some help. We
do, you know, be more than happy to meet
with the county commissioner or county
attorney and see what we can do out
there on that, you know, we need some
help out there.
>> Can I say something please? the first
mile that JLE would you come to the mic
say
thank you
» from the highway down to to the first
mile
>> your name please
>> Bill Hawker
>> thank you
>> William
>> Hawker
the first mile of BLM is that considered
private or public
>> federal federal roads can be made uh so
they're maintained under
the regulations and maintenance.
>> I I was more referring to being able to
write a ticket and get it to stick.
» I was taking BLM road.
» Mr. Chairman, let me keep looking at
this. That would be that would actually
depend on the easement and whether or
not it's exclusive or not exclusive.
I don't know, but I'm happy to get some.
Thank you.
>> Thanks, guys. Thank you.
Good morning.
Um,
all right. So, I just have a few updates
here. I did receive an update from Andre
regarding the proposal for the
renovation of the Broom from
Jorgensson's. Uh, Jorgensson's came back
said it was at least going to be 50,000
including the data wiring that I had a
proposal done for as well. that was came
in at 10,000. So, a file room at the
attorney's office to renovate would be
at least 60,000.
>> Um, and in regards to the side size of
that room,
>> uh, the size of the room,
it's almost a lateral, right? I mean,
the one thing that we do get out of that
is we get room for me and my staff to,
but we're still limited on storage.
We're still limited on on a lab area and
that's something I'm already kind of
discovering in the office I'm currently
at. I have one little desk in there and
that's all you can fit that I can
utilize to troubleshoot peripheral
devices, um, reimage computers, things
like that. I guess what that limits me
to is I can only work on one thing at a
time.
with the lab area. I'm hoping that I can
work on we get a shipment of new
computers, things like that. I can
reimage five six of them at once. Also
working on some networking projects.
Um I think that would speed up my
abilities within the county to provide
better service to our to our to the
staff members within the county.
» I also wanted to follow up with the
gentleman regarding the uh the modular
trailer.
Uh the estimated cost is 82 $82,282.
Um I did add some skirting on it and
that brought it up a couple thousand
dollar. Um
additional cost for that would be the
hookups for power, water, sewer, and
internet.
I think those would be mitigated. The
only one that I didn't see that would be
a uh kind of an endeavor I guess would
be the the internet while the right
there it will be a recurring revenue or
a recurring fee excuse me
Mr.
So on that you'd have that 10,000 too,
wouldn't you put the stuff over there?
You send any we have to the county
attorney's office that extra fee for the
set of
>> Yeah. So would it be on top of that
price there you gave us on the trailer
and stuff?
>> That would be on top of that price.
>> I mean you added in
>> that's just the trailer. I haven't got a
price yet for the well actually I
it would be between 675 and 800 a month
for the internet connection for the
pointto point
and that that's based off of what I've
seen from union and every other
department and how they're currently
priced.
Guess the big difference. Now I can go
with the the smaller of the two which is
a 158
pointto-point pipe just for the internet
connection.
» Excuse me.
>> Yes. 10,000 to get wiring into that.
[clears throat]
>> Oh, into the into the filing room.
>> I think it's actually when I had the
trailer spec they will wire it for me.
So that's all included.
So then we're looking at 82,000 plus the
skirting. Is that the extent?
>> Yeah, that's
I realized that after our last meeting
probably wanted to cover the tires
that
>> um I know Road and Bridge has
volunteered some of their time. I talked
to Blake about the water hookups, things
like that. So I I believe we'd be able
to get Andre the assistance with
>> Yeah. totally cost.
>> So does that trailer
where it's all done and you're just
doing point of connection for sewer and
water?
>> That's that's my understanding sink has
to be plumbed. Every toilet has to be
plumbed. to my understanding is we just
have to hook up the plumbing
a little.
» Okay.
When could this
unit be up and functional?
>> They will have it ready. I placed the
order. They said they can have it ready
in 30 days.
>> Okay. When does time start?
>> Time starts April 1st.
Leila IL
what are you going to do with him
between April 1st and perhaps if this
comes in
>> Leila Illoway I need to speak to her
again. I was just waiting till after
this meeting but uh she had said that
she had a spare cubicle in the planning
and zoning office
that we would probably make his new home
temporarily.
Obviously, that's not a working solution
for a long time, but it would give them
a place to set up a computer, a phone,
and actually be able to do some work and store files.
Um, discussion on mov.
I've never been for the idea of the
trailers. I've seen schools use them set
up and they're just a problem. I mean,
it's not a permanent thing. Even what
sounds like it,
you know, that's going to take up part
of that parking lot. We call it those
people across the street, put our
maintenance vehicles over there, you
know, I mean, it's
that's all I'd like to say just and and
I recognize that and debating it. We
need to come out with an option because
again, no one has come forward with any
options. And in this regard, it goes
back three maybe four months. We've been
talking about shoot reality goes back a
year and a half when uh your predecessor
was instructed to hire an assistant in
24 and it was brought up again last
summer approved in her budget to hire
someone. Um
at that point in time both time periods
we had to cross the bridge of where to
put them
but we haven't done anything to resolve
that other than down the road we're at
the point where we have an individual
coming in
>> and can basically came to the can't go
any further. We need to do something as
a as a commission to do it and
But there's no viable options.
>> Well, the county's got possibilities. I
mean, I still think we need to pursue
say trailer is a temporary fix. They
never made to be a permanent fix and
it's going to cost more than projected
here to get it all hooked up instead of
the city. So, anyway, I mean, it's okay.
I'm against it, but I'm
>> and I recognize that the problem that I
have and I've been chasing this for
months is no one can come up with any
options for me. I'm going I'd love to
add um
Oh, out of Weeden Pest, see if we could
uh
put you out there in Steve Kips building
and make some adjustments.
and it's not big enough to share. I
don't think Billy has any room over to
his right
to be somewhere.
>> Correct. So, but that's what we're
looking at is and you're correct finding
other buildings but haven't been able to
locate it and then for the purpose of
the work
rest
over here in one of these small
buildings
to that I do I do agree with
Commissioner Bradley. I'd really like to
be centralized so I can provide better
support. I do I I understand the
logistics and and the struggles we're
having here at the same um
the
extension office that was the temporary
attorney's office years ago.
Um, it's a module. Same same thing I'm
looking at.
And I I know we're still using that, I
guess, is my point. But I I I know a
trailer is not the optimal solution for
this. But at the same time, I feel like
especially getting my first week under
me, that it's something that we need to
find a space that suits us so we can
succeed in this position and move
forward to a better IT department by
better service
and having opposite offices and confined
to a office the size of a closet.
It's not the right solution long term.
Granted, I'll I'll do whatever you guys
want me to do. Commissioner White hit
the nail on the head
courthouse
everyone in one facility
and that discussion
probably sooner than later but in the
interim it does not alleviate the issue
that you have probably
everything there that's pretty cheap
square you
Is there
» are you making a motion please?
» These other two take first.
>> Sure.
>> I think this is the best option we have
in front of us right now. So the mandate
that's going to get us through who knows
for how long that we're going to have to
do it.
There was some discussion
for the visitor center that went away
now. I thought that was something shant.
area.
>> Would
you
release?
No, I understand that. But I understood
Clayton said
she was going to move out there. Yes.
That's why I just ask
for
only being here for a short period of
time.
>> I know.
Sorry to interrupt, but I didn't know if
you had any opportunity to have a
conversation with the upstairs office at
the visitor center to find out the
status of that.
>> Um, I did on Friday and I just haven't
had a chance to relay it to relay it to
you. Um, that tenant is happy as a
client right there.
>> That accomplishes it. Thank you. Okay.
>> Appreciate it. That's all I need.
Yes sir.
>> Okay.
So
great question.
always knew that term
[clears throat] I don't know about the
trailer
agreement with commissioner Stevens
that thing bunch of issues
you set it up there first thing you're
going to have to screw it you're going
to have to go out
and all fit in together So at some point
we're talking 85 90,000 jumps up to 154
done and right now we're going to end up
if it's there we're going to end up with
folks that they parked in there
that's going to go
to that push
I guess
I'm not in favor of it from the
standpoint of think there's going to be
temporary for about that and then what
are you going to do after that you're
going to make that move again some place
it's going to have to be centralized
what's what's what are the options
or
squeeze closer together. I don't know.
Unfortunately, no one's come up with a
viable option and that's where we were
at this point.
[clears throat]
Well, there could be one other Mr.
Chairman, there'd be one other option
here in the courthouse.
This will get a lot of place
the break room that the employees have
there. We can downsize that
some place else there. There's a spot
too
all that opened up in conjunction with
the existing IT office substance.
I will see that
but it's right there. The move is where
it is. I mean then what we to one
individual or two how can we work with
the other 25
I don't know maybe we just have to come
to an agreement to get along with
someone instead of everybody having
their own way. That could be an option
too about the commission about that too.
» Yeah, we've
at a point where is it an option or not?
I make a motion
for a while to research.
>> I'm ready to move forward with this. So,
Mr. Chairman, I make uh I'll move to
approve Craig um to set this office
project up with a full cap of 110,000
should you have to go over 110,000 go
back and have a conversation with us
before anything else happens
motion and second is there any further
discussion
I have to look at it We ourel this
corner
we put ourselves in this corner. We had
been two years as our commission. We
haven't shame shame on us. Um
and
the IT position is
oh basically the heartbeat of what we do
is if that system goes down
the
activators can't get the bang for their
buck that they need from the offices
and everything.
Well, when I said moving in the break
room, I guess what I should say was
because the break room could still be
smaller, which it would be into the
current it
then would be bigger into the break
room, which it is, but I suspect until
there's better option other than the
trailer that could be
moved. is very large.
>> Thank you.
care to address that?
» Yes. Um
I I understand again the dilemma we're
in
this space the current state of the
county.
Break room. I know that's not going to
be a popular one. Number one. Number
two, it doesn't address the lab and it
doesn't address my storage issues. Every
communication room in the county is
bumped full of junk stuff that I'm
trying to get a plan to hopefully
do like a buyback program. I'm
understanding that they there are
companies that buy back retired
equipment. Something that I could
hopefully make some additional revenue
back to the county with while getting
rid of this stuff. Um, I I need a
storage area for that. I need it for an
inventory. It's It's a lot. You know,
there's what, 193 desktops in the
county. And at any time, I have probably
20 in that little office I'm in right
now. That's just the one I'm working on
that I'm inheriting. So,
the the storage is a big deal. The lab's
a big deal.
I understand the trailer as a temporary
solution, but I think that's for me.
I'll do whatever you guys want. I'll
happily do it. That that's the that's
the one that gives me the opportunity to
succeed in this.
Thank you. Thank
any further discussion
just to comment to [clears throat]
flip the break room to his office. Now,
you cannot put the sink in there.
There's no sewer in that corner of the
building. like where clerks in the
bathroom is, all that sewer runs out
through the sally port and then
everything in the jail and everything
else out runs out the other way. So that
little corner of the building where all
three buildings got tied together, there
is no sewer. It would be astronomical to
try to get a sink put in his old office
and flip the blank.
>> Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Mr. chairman tries to pay the comments.
I already measured that that trailer
bill. It's not going to block any of the
parking mess any of the
food trucks. It's it's in that back
corner over by the title place um where
the other trailer sat for I don't know
how many years I was there where the
attorneys were. It's um it it ain't
going to mess with any of Audrey's
parking or any of the deputies and the
detention where they park there. It's no
one parks where this is. Um also on the
trailers there's sealed bottoms so all
the all the water lines that are in the
floor. So long as you have skirting
around it burn
and I mean you can
off the state for many years. Um I just
want to throw that before you lay bill.
So and now hasn't been a problem this
year but for every year it's always
brought up and in the past it's how
everybody filed their snow exactly where
the trailer's going to be. hotel, you
have to haul it out. Now, what that's
going to be an issue down the road, that
trailer, where's that snow going to be
piled?
>> It's I mean, they're just going to have
to, you know, probably plow it on, you
know, on down.
>> I mean, the county puts snow there, too,
from that thought. You know, it's not
just that, but I mean, it's been an
issue brought up every year, but I think
snow
>> and we always haul it off. Yeah. I mean
they're they're gonna have you know
they're gonna have to I mean there is
quite a bit of space you know I mean um
but yeah I mean the snow you know
they're going to have to figure out it's
kind of hotel pushes all their snow
>> but everybody gets you know I'm just the
hotel talked about has to be hauled off
and stuff is our snow their snow right
it's all whatever piles
think we have to do all the snow at the
clubhouse. It will be a little bit of a
challenge, but really I think we just
flip the pile instead of putting it the
other corner and we can put it over by
the power pole on that corner so that
the cleaning crew can all still back
out. And if anything, you might just
have to come get snow a little bit more.
But you guys get snow so quick anyways
that it'll be a little bit the motel
will be the most affected which by right
they're supposed to keep their snow on
their property anyways.
>> So that'll be something we'll address
them and tell them they can't.
>> You can tell them they can't.
>> No, I'm just saying. I mean it's if it's
snowing it's a problem for us.
>> Yeah. I mean it it wouldn't I think
Harvard did that for him this year. I
mean, it wouldn't be that hard for him
to come down the alley and put it where
I think we're going to put the pile like
we always have. If you're still okay
with that, but we can make the snow
work, but we can't.
» Thank you, buddy.
>> Thank you, Billy.
» Okay, we'll close this to public
comment. Any further questions,
discussions in this regard?
have a motion in a second. Um
with the uh proposal as presented with
the cap of $110,000 to be fully
functional
further and close it to a question and
debate. Um, all those in favor of
I
>> IO name.
>> I'm going to go along with it, but I
really got reservations because I don't
see this staying with you very long for
very long. But I'm I'm going to tell you just like this other deal we got pretty
bad. The stuff I thought was 920,000.
We're thinking that's 110,000. I
guarantee you it won't be that. And what
will happen is we'll get into it, come
back and say, "Well, you know, it's only
going to cost another 35,000 and we're
already into 110." So, what option do we
have? We're going to okay it. So, if we
stick to it, guarantee it won't get done
at 110 as long way it works in this
world today. Unfortunately,
we found
challenged me accept.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Commissioner.
Quick. Uh, okay. So, our schedule is as
follows. Uh, quick break and we have
Mesa
And
uh we can bump the procurement policy
into the afternoon because of a time
we're have an 11:30 lunch commitment for
we're at the senior center the seniors
there for their
corn beef and cabbage I think
I'd like to see the senior citizens
while I'm down here and then um of
course what we want to do is u we have
the golf course restaurant prior to that
10 minute break back here in
11 at 10:48
is Mason. the caring please.
» Thank you chairman commissioners. My
name is Carla Cely. I've been the
director of Mesa for 14 years since its
inception. This is Aaron Casey. She's
also a board member. Um, and also in
with us we have Stacy Jones who's our
fair who's one of our little writers and
we have family here who's also part of
our Mesa Mesa program and Becky Crow,
sorry I didn't speak [laughter]
Becky Crow is also a new member of our
board and a volunteer.
Um, just a quick start, Mesa, we started
in June of 2012 um with some startup
funding given to us by the county. Um,
we've been a mobile operation from day
one. Um, we have spent our all of our
years bouncing around from private
property to private property wherever we
could could have lessons and who was
gracious enough to let us be there. We
have always pastured our horses on
private property as well as least. We
don't have anything of our own except
for our horse trailer and our truck. Um,
and people have been very generous to
let us let us do that over the years. Um
and and we had a pre program when we
were uh able to be down in Boulder River
Ranch there, but still technically we
were a mobile mobile operation. Um we
really appreciate that the rodeo grounds
and the fairgrounds have allowed us to
use their facilities. Um there have been
uh moments where we've been able to be
kind of gone from our programming type
of other community activities. Um and uh
there are times when um in our public
facilities that this
the the population that we serve,
there's some sensitivity to sensory
issues. And so if we are in like a
really busy days like the fairgrounds
are super busy, it's it's pretty
difficult to have um lessons sometimes
on those days because of the sensory
issues in the environment.
Um we have been sustainable financially
um from day one. We we got the startup
money and we still have um feel like
we've done really well. we're trying to
set aside some money so that someday
when we do get our own our own land or
our own permanent facility that we will
be able to build an indoor barn. Um but
with the rising prices of the land, we
just feel like we we can't find a
location near town that's affordable
right now. And with that, I'll go ahead
and let you talk.
>> Yeah. So, thanks Carla. I'm going to
talk a little bit about the process that
has led us to come before you today with
this request. So, I started volunteering
with Mesa shortly after I moved to
Pineale in 2022.
And in my first interactions with the
program, I was so impressed by what
Carla and the board have built, the
quality of the program that they have,
how much Carla has worked to prioritize
the safety and the learning of all of
the writers that we have going through
the program. And that led to some
conversation about some bigger questions
about how we could better serve the
individuals in our community throughout
Subway County who would benefit from
ecoin assisted services. And that led to
me facilitating a couple of meetings
with the board in January of 2024
where we talked about the strengths of
our program, some of the weaknesses that
we had, some of the opportunities that
we saw and different partnerships might
be able to form throughout the county.
in order to better fulfill our mission.
And after that meeting, we had a little
bit more clarity, but we realized there
was a lot of learning left to do. And so
Carla and I and the rest of the board
members really started thinking about
different models of ecoin assisted
services facilities throughout the
country. We've looked at some very
different models and really come to an
understanding of what it is that our
county needs and our writers need so
that we don't have to have a wait list
so that we can serve the individuals who
would benefit from our services but whom
we just don't have the capacity for
right now. And so that led us to just
kind of this journey of realizing that
what we really need is a permanent
facility where we can keep our horses
and offer lessons at the same location.
And Carla is going to share a little bit
about the specifics of how our program
runs and why that would be such a
gamecher for Mesa. But before I hand it
back to her, I just want to say how
proud I am of the board and of Carla for
continuing to prioritize just an
incredibly high quality safe program
that adds so much value to the lives of
our families.
>> Hi, should I say I missed your
>> I'm Aaron Hasty.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah,
thank you Aaron.
So the the greatest limiting factor for
Mesa is that we can only put four horses
in our horse trailer and where we are
riding right now, we can only ride two
week in Heinale. Um so that limits us.
We we adhere to the professional
association of therapeutic horsemanship
organizational standards and procedures
um to ensure that that we do uphold
safety and procedures and have a quality
program. Um with that, our horses are
only allowed to have three lessons a
day. So, if we can only have four
horses, three lessons a day, that only
allows us to provide lessons for 12
riders a day. So, we're really limited
in the capacity that what what we can
have. Um, if we had our horses at the
same location that we gave our lessons,
that would be a huge game changer. We
would be able to have 7 to eight head of
horses, we'd be able to ride up to 5
days a week at least, and we could
almost quadruple the number of people
that we could service with our lesson
program at that point. And by having a
permanent facility, we'd be able to keep
all of our tech
in one place, we'd be able to have
larger variety of saddles, bigger
courses, and and such. And I think we
would um be able to just really really
expand our programming and do more for
our community like we would like to do,
we've been wanting to do, but we just
really can't do it on the truck and
trailer anymore.
Um,
so we would like to ask the county if we
could have access to use the 20 acres
south of the 4 barn. We feel like that
is a really ideal property um,
locationwise. It's really important to
be close to the schools and close to
town for transportation purposes and um,
it would allow us to expand our current
adaptive riding program. Um we did just
open up our services to adults of small
adults because we don't have the
capacity to serve a larger um large
adults right now. Um we have started up
an ecoin assisted learning program. Um
that's something that we can get off the
ground. And another thing that I think
is really important. It's something that
I've been wanting to do for years and
years, but I feel like there's a huge
need in this community and is that that
is a um a workplacement program for the
young adults. um like such as Yian and
be able to provide an opportunity for young adults to be able to come in
and work at the barn, do chores, and I
think that's I I've heard a resounding
need for that within the community over
the years. And that's something that we
could we could add to our programming.
Um in email communications with uh I
believe it's Lindsay Dip, who was the
lawyer for Pure West, she agreed. I have
a email here that um Mesa does fit
within the deed restrictions of that
land and it would be a county
commissioner's decision from there on.
As a final thought, um we've been very fortunate to have such a generous
community and individuals that want to
keep Mesa Mesa going and they've been
working in the shadows. Um we've
survived on borrowed property, borrowed
land, borrowed horses, borrowed
equipment, and operating out of the home
office. And I think it's time that we
need to think about succession planning.
Um I'm not going to be here forever. Um
I've put 15 years into this program
right now and I don't want to see Mesa
go away when I go away. And so I feel
it's really important that we that we
start having our own permanent facility
so that we Mesa can continue on.
Um with that you guys have any
questions?
Are there any questions from the
individuals here?
» So with the permanent home with you, it
would allow you to have capacity for
bigger horses where we could get back to
where ocean the larger kids that would
be able to drive again.
>> Yes.
>> Question from online.
No comment.
So, um, what we're asking is to be able
to use that, um,
we'd like to ask the county, if this is
something that you'd be willing to do,
if you would the road into that area and
then we we would provide all the fencing
in the pastures, then most of our stuff
would be portable in case that somebody
some generous donor out there did want
to give us our own piece of property.
Um, we would be able to take everything
we had and move it along with us. Um but
we we would really like to be able to
have make this consider this a permanent
field um for Mesa. It would really be
important to I believe
no
there was a confusion
is
looking for an investment in the county
of $50,000.
>> That would be for improvements to the
property that the county would benefit
from if Mesa were to ever leave the
property. So that's for water, power,
and um the road improvements.
>> Am I saying this? So you're looking for
597,
>> right? Correct.
>> Is that people like it drawn to the
worst case scenario?
>> That's correct. And then pure west uh is
going to
give us approval of your being on the
property. I don't know how it works with
that but
so you must have that. I don't see it.
>> I do. I mean I have a copy here.
Great.
>> Thank you.
Sorry,
I did have a phone call from a Dennis
Schroer supporting everything that you
did. Um, actually requesting that one
time that puts to go up on top of the
hill
there.
I thought that was the right kind of
>> we accept that property. We sure would
[laughter]
meet.
» And I know this young cowboy right here,
what a great young man he is. Been out
to see me for past four years.
Does a great job. And he's actually
a great great figure. He has an example
of what you do. Everyone, thank you so
very much.
That's the purpose of of me
getting individuals that clearly was.
So, thank you.
» Questions, comments?
>> I got a comment. We've known you a long
time, Carl. Anybody has I know it's a
great, wonderful program. No problem
with that, but you know, it's all down
to money, okay? You know what I mean?
and we justify for the taxpayers the
50,000. Okay. And that's you know
that's the only thing that I see that
with
my biggest concern
and your concerns really good
questions.
I guess I couple things I've been
involved with this through the years
whether it's pasture horses are offered
an arena I think this group would thrive
and be able to grow and obviously offer
more services if they could just find a
landing spot
I struggle with 50,000 I' I' I'd like to
ask one more favor if this were to go
through there's some dirt work for an
arena and the road work I mean is that
something that the county could take on
we wouldn't add
Do you guys tell me do it? I'll do it.
>> I I'd rather support something like that
than throw out another
50,000.
>> Well, I'm sorry. And that proposal, the
way that is out, I guess that was our
intentions was that that most of that as
far as the road base and electricity is
pretty much there. Um, it's right there
by the 4 office. But as far as the dirt
work and all that, that is something
that really like the county already has
all the machinery and equipment and
operators to to do. So we feel like this
is what we are asking is only
improvement of that land that will
remain that way and it isn't won't ever
be taken away from your property. It's
just getting approved which I in our
minds it's a pretty reasonably
pretty reasonable request because we we
have um you know as far as like the
arena and things like that like we can
find donors and partial donations for that as well. Um can I talk for a
second?
U my name is Stacy Jones. Um yeah, and
it wasn't we weren't asking like you
guys to give us $50,000
that it would maybe take that if you
helped us put it into like fixing the
road and and doing those things and like
with the the water, the electricity.
Yeah. getting already that what's out
there, but over to where we could use
them. It's we didn't we didn't want you
to hand us $50,000. It just it might
would take some like that, but you know,
with help and and that to to get that um
to make the road in there a little bit
better, safer, you know, those things.
So, we didn't want a $50,000 check. We
just need that extra to help us make it
so it's usable for us. So yeah,
>> same
the question for develop case in regards
to liability insurance. I would presume
that you would need to or have something
namely as traditionally for liability.
>> Yes. And we've already do that with
fairgrounds as well. want to make sure
that we learn that they have
>> absolutely sure
» yes commissioner so have you got bids on
what the wel cost and the power company
is prohibited now rather you know where
they you're going to have to have your
own box out there probably junction box
you know where it comes from the other
place you can't have them both on one I
mean I've been hearing people they just
law and what they're charging to run,
you know, power lines and stuff, you
know, I mean, it's like four or 5,000
for the boxes, you know. So, and you
haven't done any bids on what the well
would be or what you know where you
would would be setting stuff. Have you
looked at it how you might set it at the
corral where they would be out there
now?
>> Yes. Yes, we have. Like, and that's part
of the drawing that's that's in that
proposal. It would just be well if I had
the shape that the the property is
shaped in like a long triangle and um it
would be the lower half of that pretty
much. and 237
>> and the only entrance would be there by
the 4 cuz that's you know we're going to
run into a problem there because we just
spent 100,000 on electronic gate you
know so you're going to have to
be problem with that gate and unless you
could put in a different entrance
somewhere else because but hey I just
hope you I'd like to see some bids of
what you can actually get that D
>> we can do
Um the last time we had a water well
drug um personally was a $15,000 well
um
>> I don't know if necessarily we have to
have a water well or if we could tie
into the water line for 4 office it's
already there
take so much of it
>> doesn't because all we really need is
stock water just for some stock takes it
doesn't have to be
We can do that.
>> So, so Mr.
and
so all
in
it's true
about that
when I look down at the total investment
instead in the center of one great
building
and that's the preparation of the ground
because from my experience
like this
that's going to have to go away or
should mostly especially where they
didn't have their facilities and that's
not an easy heal.
Well, Russian beat up
and you can't do that. But then when he
leaves stops everybody like this
and now we can
so
at that kind of situation I would be
normally for me
somewhere.
First thing I do beat that brush. But I
got to go in and kind of
stir it up so I can get reinstall
sometime
brush down there.
Then I've got to go back in and I'll see
if I don't even have a nice clean piece
of property. I don't know whether you've
talked 28 acres to just enormous but but
that certainly done that's not an easy
deal
when
I first heard something about this
there I wonder were you going to be able
to get the authorization to do so you
>> yes
>> that's what this letter is
I didn't see that.
So
now [laughter]
they just pass.
» So
couple years ago
three or something like that. I'd get
back up with the punch line.
I live with a young man young
business that I said he got out of that.
But he and I had come to an agreement
that hey if it's expensive project we
probably done that cost a lot of money.
I'm still inclined to do that in my
business.
I come to
whatever I can do to help on a
fancy project with the equipment that
I've got without going out and finding
something else. I'd certainly be
coming in and doing them, but
you're going to have to have things
what your product is going to look like.
where
all the way around.
So those things happen
but not tired of closure. At least I
haven't seen it.
>> No, that's that's it. Um it's going to
be the back pasture turnout and then
» yes.
>> Yeah. No, I see I see that. What I'm
saying is this is the 28.
>> No, it's just a fraction of the 28. This
is a very small portion and the rest
doesn't
have the balance 28. [clears throat]
» It's already fenced. I mean the
perimeter it would just be say this is
where the 4 office is and this is Hagen
science down here.
>> Yeah, but it's fenced. I'd have to go
look at again. It seems to be like the
expensive part
>> and I could be wrong.
>> That's fine.
>> No, it's not. If you got horses you want
to take care of, I can guarantee you you
can
>> burn your pastors.
I mean over time wonderful, but that's
what they're living in.
>> If you have that's fine if that's what
you that's what you want to do.
out of company horse.
>> We have to be pretty selective about the
horses we take. And one of that those
reasons is because we've had to pastor
them in a lot of different settings and
so they have to be respectful of a lot
of different types of fences.
» Anyway, I'm part of the project. I just don't want to
like a lot of projects quite you can
actually choose and not be able to
[clears throat]
get the project that you want then
back to the property Sam is that a sale
or lease to them how is that
>> so that that property the whole history
of that property was owned by QEP
>> yes
>> QP donated that property to the county
so county fully owns that property to
put a deed restriction on the future
that property would be used for the use
of sub. That's how that piece um reads.
Carl reached out to our our land
department as
well
um fall within that restriction that you
put on that property
and
yes it does.
>> But we own the property. There is
nothing
more. I mean, if we wanted to do
whatever we wanted to do with that
property, we could
know that there's a deep restriction on
reach out to us that their thoughts on
it
is required.
» Back in just a second.
>> Was my statement correct? We own that
property altogether. There is a deed
restriction. the deed restriction on
that property is that it should be shall
be used for the use of Salt Lake County
when it was given to the county by QEP.
Um Carla reached out to Pure West above
and beyond just to see if that was in
spirit of the way they read it. Pure
West response was yes that was within
spirit of that restriction but we own
that. There is nothing I mean if we
wanted whatever we wanted to do in the
county we could do. Is that the
restriction correct?
>> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White. Uh
yes, that is correct. And so the with
the restriction the dominant estate is
Q. So if Q is saying we're good with it
and we're fine with it, then yes, the
county has the authority to operate in
that space.
>> Okay. So let me ask this question also
in conjunction to that.
So
if I'm leasing the piece of property, so
to speak, I don't own it, but I lease
it. If anything I put in the ground
stays with that property, when I move
off, it stays there. If I want to take
it with me, it's got to be portable. So
I can scoot it around and they lift me.
Is there would there be a concern here
if they build a structure a program
structure that down the road if this
commission is not sitting there they say
hey you guys haven't done what we think
you should do we're going to boo you got
that property county
own the property is that correct or not
chairman Bernard commissioner Vicky uh
the way that that would work would be
depending in the language in the lease
itself. And certainly in the event that
the county were to authorize this use on
the property, uh we would certainly have
an agreement in place that detailed all
of that all of those details.
>> Okay. Yeah, fair enough there. But if
you've got something permanent in the
property, it's a little difficult to
take that.
>> It's Commissioner Bernard and
Commissioner Victory. Yes. But the
contract will govern that. And so, yes,
even a permanent structure can be uh can
be moved. Yes, it's harder. Uh but I do
believe they said they were going to try
and do stuff temporarily in case they
were able to obtain their own property.
But we would certainly make sure that it
was buttoned up, bells and suspenders so
that there was no questions down the
road in the event that a future
commission needed uh that land for
another purpose or in the event that
these folks voluntarily opted to to
renew themselves. Well, the only reason
I bring that up is because
she's invested what 15 years of this
program. Yeah, that takes dedication.
It's
her compliment.
So when you go,
the next person steps in there, are they
going to have that dedication there and
lies the issue?
>> Absolutely.
>> You you you think people dedication.
» Well,
>> we're already in favor of helping you
however we can. How's that?
>> Thank you. No, and we have started the
succession planning process. So we are
finding that person and we are
make sure that that makes it
organizational they can do that as well.
>> Are there any questions comments from
the board and further discussion? Let's
go. I'll
save mine. Um so when I look at this car
I'm from the future of Mesa. I'll be a
huge supporter of Mesa. Um when I when I
look back we just had a meeting a couple
meetings ago. We had another great
organization. There's lots of great
organizations, nonprofit organizations
come and ask us if we would file a road
all winter long so they can continue to
run their great organization which uh
benefits the county.
This I I look at it as you know what
this was something that the the 4 could
use the pony club could use every youth
that question thing could use. I look at
it maybe maybe I could get behind it,
but we're it's it's kind of to me feels
like we're picking the winners and
losers of all of the great organizations
within the county and using taxpayer
funding to pick those winners and
losers. Um like I said, I'm a huge
supporter. Don't get me wrong. I just
can't get behind
um us investing money to for this
organization as presented today. If this
was like I said something that included
all of the youth in sub county um had
access to a facility out there probably
kind of like the fairgrounds I probably
supported at that point but that's my
thoughts. Thank you. I can offer some
response to contextualization of that.
Um, so I think one of the the things
that is really important about our
program is that we do have to have a
little bit of control over the
environment. Carlos spoke some of the
challenges that we've had on a busy day
at the fairgrounds where because of the
populations that we're serving, it it's
just really crucial that we can provide
some sort of sensory boundary around
what our writers are going to
experience. And I would note that the 4
has operated an exclusive facility on
QEP property I think for well over a
decade at this point. If the county
commissioners wanted to build a shared
ecoin facility in the north end of the
county, I as a personal equestrian would
certainly be in big support of that. I
think if you want to have a facility
that could meet all of the different
needs of different youth organizations,
that's certainly up to you. But I think
that would be something that would be a
county choice and a county investment.
Um Mesa is asking for I think a pretty
minimal investment of improvements to
the property that will stay with the
property if we were to ever leave. And I
think that we would certainly be open to
discussions about how we could lease the
infrastructure that we're going to
provide to other youth equestrian
participants and with other
organizations if that was something that
they determined that they needed.
comments really good. Um I understand
your concern with um trying to serve the
biggest population serve all the kids.
Um I guess what we are also looking at
is a lot of these kids don't have that
opportunity to be part of they don't
have the opportunity to be part of um
hockey or ice skating or just because of
the disabilities that they do or may not
have. I mean, given my daughter, she
looks like, you know, she'd be part of
anything and she is very much a part of
everything, but there's a history behind
there like, especially with her with her
heart condition that she may not always
be able to participate in school sports
in all of these different activities.
And this is an opportunity and a a group
that is trying to serve that population
that is restricted from a lot of the
other offerings of the county and the
school districts. Um, so I can
understand that there's a concern that
we are just serving a certain
population, but it's a population that I
feel like we need to support because
they can be restricted in so many other
avenues within the county. I mean, we
try to be inclusive, but we are limited,
especially when it comes to dealing with
animals and getting out of the physical
work and having that opportunity. So, I
mean, I guess that's where I stand as a
parent and even as a member of I mean, I
drive the special ed bus right now. I
mean, this is a huge part of what I do
just as a parent and as a community
member. These are children and adults
now that we're offering a huge
opportunity that they do not get to
participate in a lot of different areas
like 4, like hockey, like what I've
said. So, I think it's well worth that
we kind of get behind this in some way
or another. I like what Aaron has
suggested. Even if there's a way that
we're providing and is providing the
structures, the infrastructures, the
fencing that maybe we can share that and
lease that with other
groups. But again, it's the priority if
we've provided that to give that safe
environment, that sensory free
environment. um you know that would be
taking some moving around and I think I
think the NASA is open to looking at
that but we do have considerations with
the population that they're trying to
serve.
>> Sure. And I get that right. I get that
uh
yeah like I said I'm a huge supporter of
Mesa and I get that there's a need for
it. Right. there's going to be 10 other
organizations showing up saying the
exact same story of why we won't find
some to land and let them build a
facility um where they can run theirs
too. So I'm worried about setting a
precedent for all organizations that are
involved in this county for all
different aspects of those
organizations. Like I said just two or
three meetings ago, we had a great youth
organization and wanted us to file road
winners so they could continue to use
that.
We at that time told them no. Um so I I
look at it more as
yeah we could come up with a plan that
allin
users use ecoin users an organization
use. I'll get behind it.
» Mr. Chairman, [clears throat]
so I'm not quite as restrictive as
Commissioner Light and I'll tell you
why. Because I earlier said,
I've watched the smiles. I've watched
the parents of the kids that are
involved in this program.
and granted sort of a specific thing
because of a specific need,
And
[clears throat] I I I see these
the advancement of some of the young
people that I've known has had some
issues and basic has brought them step up be more involved in the
community.
when you set a precedent,
that's what this is. And I don't think
that's what this is. I think this is
making something good happen in the
community.
We've got a lot of places in Southern
County for other horse oriented groups
to use
the fairgrounds. We've heard about
we've got the rodeo grounds up here.
I'll guarantee you we've got a lot of
kids use that facility. You may say
included in the past. There's two
different arenas up there. There's
places to park
and you're not being forced to move your
program to allow someone else. That's
because is I see one of the issues that
would become that would come here is if
it was spoken up because Mason is
specific.
You'd have to have and I watch the
budget from the outside
days when two kids show up, days when
six kids show up when they're in that
time slot.
And if that thing was opened up to where
you could have all horse groups use it,
those kind of time slots would just go
away. They would have to to to
address the other uses. So
I expect if I said it earlier
as a commissioner, I'll have to support
this.
as an individual I support it because
I've seen so
things that occur out of it.
So even
sitting next to one another he has a
cake we have
I think
outcome
very different way
I guess
I don't see Mesa
their own facility
being underest
I just don't see that happening if there
was never another place to go. I could
understand perhaps but but that's not
faculty
that can take care of some of those
other needs that we do
the city
for me at least I I'll support it.
» Are there questions? I'll just bring one
other thing doesn't mount anything else.
We all support 100%. You know that
there's not a question at all. But it's
like we got 60 acres there cemetery.
Okay. They need it. You know, do they
look at this and say, well, if you're
giving land away for other uses
property, you know, it puts us in a bad
position. Well, we have vacant property
and other things are needed. You know, I
mean, that's an important thing. And you
know, I don't I mean, it's this is a
tough one. I wish
had a little more time to think on it
cuz I uh
I don't I wish I knew kind of got the
estimates of what
50 if it's 23 or you know, some of those
things are kind of open-ended here, but
there's no question we all supported
100%. That's not the question here.
>> I'd argue a cemetery is a little more
permanent than what we're proposing.
It's needed. They don't have any spots
here. Okay. They're out of spots. So,
you know, maybe
that's a very important thing, too. I
mean, you're a long ways away from I'm
nice. You know, put my ashes up there
along the road with you. I don't know
just part of what things we face. Okay.
I mean,
so
>> I I guess I'd like to add that this
arenus is a pretty long size that we've
proposed. um that's within our budget
and able to enable able to do. Um and
again uh we've been very fortunate to be
able to to use the rodeo grounds. Um and
we share that with 4 and we share that
with public club and we share the
equipment up there with them. Um
nobody maintains that. Nobody takes care
of it. Nobody cleans up after
themselves. And so having a shared
facility uh go out there and I'd have to
go clean on the horse poop up prior to
us using the equipment and or being able
to use the arena. And uh so if we're
going to put the money into a into a
project like this and to have it be our
facility, it's going to be very very
wellkept and we're going to expect the
same high standards if we were able to
share it with somebody else. So we would
entertain being able to share this with
4 or pony club. equestrian groups
potentially, but it's going to be it
would be I guess under I would I would
ask that it could be under our control
and under so when we do have days off
then we could offer that open to to the
4 or the pony club um under our terms
where things are taken care of and kept.
I feel like that's a really really
important factor and and if you get into
where everything is, you know, similar
like fairgrounds, then you're going to
have somebody that's going to have to
take care of it. um as a group group
thing and I don't I don't feel like this
would be a situation where
I should have to take care of everybody
else's messes type of a deal if we were
given this opportunity to do this. But
um and this is an outdoor arena right
now constructed as an outdoor arena and
hopefully potentially we'd be able to to
build an indoor arena um cover that uh
which would be great if we had if we
were given the approval to do something
like that. But otherwise all the other
structures would be u portable including
the classroom office type of deal.
questions or comments
according to discussion
I'd like to make a motion to make this
happen but I'm struggling with our our
contribution to water how we want to
approach something like that
um I think that
what we have here
we hear that you're talking about
coming investment with
county equity being
brought into it. I suspect that
Billy has road base. Yes. Available and
then you'd be able to do the uh road
into it.
and we have water well and piping the
two stock tanks. That portion of it
uh would be a cost but the other items
well except for the electricity. So
based on this $15,000 would be covered
by counting the other two items of
$35,000
and open open.
So if you got you into this property and
therefore kind of move forward your
vision taking care of water and power
your sales.
>> Yes sir. Okay.
>> I think that would be something that we
would iron out in our discussions and
you know as Clayton said having
everything thought up um to make sure
that if we were to leave the property
that we were reimbursed for expenses
that we had inferred that would be
benefits to the property long term then
I think that's something we could
certainly figure out.
Okay.
This space
for you may offer service that isn't
available for these type of people in
these countries.
I make the motion
it makes it into this 20 acres
work that we can do.
have a motion.
I'll second a motion. Um, that's
slightly what you're asking for.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Bring that up. Have a motion that you
have a second.
Um,
further discussion.
Uh, I'll just bring up that gate again.
I mean it's something they're going to
have to that's
quite deal
when they 4 leaves and building it very
morning. So
but [clears throat]
um doesn't necessitate
precluding them from having theation of
that gate county or that it's not
doesn't belong with 4. Well, I
understand it, but you know, sure they
went through their security, not
somebody else's. You know, reason you
weren't here. You went through,
>> you don't know what we went through on
that little ordeal to get that paid. So,
I mean, I just wanted
My position is
approved since it's not 4.
I've dealt with them and they are only
concerned on their own.
So I don't see where it has to be. Well,
obviously
and then I watched the commission past
meetings and put $1.1 million for their
grounds in our facility that's only
going to use a couple weeks of the year.
that doesn't benefit the segment of our
population that needs
and it's full time
versus
that that's our battle with me that how
we could justify the expenditure and
then B will be $50,000 and B
motion second is there any other
conversation
>> um I had one to that. When we did our
budget last year, we consider that
because
the budget so that
okay,
>> but I'm just saying that, you know,
$25,14
doesn't make difference. We didn't have
it in the budget. So, this is something
when this comes along, it's going to
have to be an added expense that we did
plan on prepared.
Thank you.
Okay. Motion to second. Any further
discussion? Discussion's closed. All in
favor? I
>> I
thank you for your time.
16.
Next is we're going to move the
procurement policy to after lunch and
we're going to go to the golf course
restaurant. Please, please.
» Um, they've been sitting here all
morning and
I'm just pointing out I'm just
reminding.
>> Thank you. Yes, they'll still be very
[clears throat]
And from 11:30.
» Yeah. Military.
Thank you for your time and you know
this is enough to debug the microphone.
I'm sorry. This isn't our preferred
method to we
have a private meeting but
we prepared a couple statements.
>> Um we appreciate your time. When we put
the proposal into the golf course, we
were looking for a good working
relationship with good communication. We
were told the county wanted to bring up
the level of service, the level of food,
and the atmosphere. This is what we've
been providing and have gotten an
overwhelming positive response from our
customers. Being in a new location, we
were we were aware that there were going
to be obstacles that we were going to
have to overcome that like we had at our
location at Lakeside. Change was always
difficult. We realized that I poured
everything into this restaurant to make
it a friendly, welcoming, and a great
place to eat. In the middle of summer,
we met with both Sam and Billy to
express concerns that the golfers had.
We came up with the idea of the
discounts on the food and the beverages
from the members for the members to
enjoy year round. We continue to receive
good feedback from them. I spoke with
Mike, the head of the men's league about
setting up a meeting with all of the men
from the men's league who expressed
concerns to hear their feedback and see
what else we could do for them. Well,
Sam and Billy told us that they were
ecstatic about that meeting and were
happy to join if we could set that up.
However, none of them wanted to meet
with us. No reason was ever given. They
just didn't want to meet with us. Every
month since then, we would meet with
Billy to pay the rent. I asked him, "How
are things going? Are there any other
concerns? Is there anything else we need
to know?" Nope. Haven't heard anything.
Everything. Everybody seems pretty
happy.
Then we received an email from the
county which came as a complete shock to
me and my husband. We've had zero
complaint, zero communication
um was was given regarding any problems,
complaints or violations. What is what
happened to the communication? If there
are complaints, why didn't we hear about
them? How how do you expect us to fix
anything if we don't know anything is
wrong? Um, we never received any kind of
communication that there were any types
of issues. Since the beginning when we
took over, we made every effort to try
and accommodate the requests from the
golfers that have been given to us. This
in includes the discounts I mentioned as
well as special funds that we went out
of our way to put together for the
golfers.
Regarding all of the golf tournaments, I
went out of my way to ask them, meet
with them, work with their budgets as
best I can. the tournaments that got
alcohol from us. We barely charged a
little more than our cost for that. We
really made no money off of that. Um I
tried to accommodate one of the golf
tournaments in particular. We charge
them $10 for a 6 burger, all toppings,
all condiments, chips, and dessert. And
they told me that was unreasonable. That
barely covered my cost of the food and
my staff to be there. That's all we were
trying to do. I get having the I get
you're trying to raise money, but I I we
are a business and we do need to at
least cover our expenses.
I do wish we were in a place where we
could donate. Unfortunately, we're not
in the finan financial position to do
that. This is our first year at our
location and we're just trying to get
established.
Furthermore, this in particular staff um
from this tournament was demanding and
disrespectful towards me and my staff
because they were not getting their way.
This behavior was unacceptable and
unnecessary. They also damaged some of
our decor without so much as an apology.
To come into a business and to start
rearranging furniture and decor without
consulting me is unacceptable. All of
these tournaments that ordered through
for me through me were told that there
was a two week final food headcount. All
of them agreed completely fine with
that. So after those two weeks
to come to me and say we need to change
this. I don't want this. I don't want
this. I'm sorry. I've already ordered
food. I've already prepared food for
this. And then to complain to you guys
and to Billy about that I I think is was
inappropriate. Um,
I've never ever in my 26 plus years of
it being in this business have I ever
been told that I am difficult to work
for or that I'm difficult to work with.
If I'm so difficult, then why am I
getting additional caterings from some
of the people that run these
tournaments? Why is my staff that I have
that have all these restrictions and
can't work this time and can't work that
time, I'm able to accommodate that and
they're recommending their friends and
their fellow co-workers from previous
jobs to come and work for me because I
am accommodating. Why would I not
transfer that to our clientele? I've
always worked the best that I can with
everyone to try and accommodate special
requests. The ladies league always
communicated with me and I've always
accomodated them with all of their
special requests whenever they came in.
The last day of the golf season, I
provided I wanted to do something nice
for the golfers as a thank you for the
season. We put out a really nice buffet
for them. All complimentary to me. They
all seem to really enjoy that. Um, I do
know that the contracts for the
tournaments were changed so that the
restaurant had first rights for food
being refused that was offered. I do
know that the first tournament always
had food donated and I know that may be
something that they didn't want want to
deal with us. I don't see why they
couldn't have just come to us and said,
"Hey, you know, we've always had all
this food donated. We've always had all
of this. Is this something that we can
still do because it really brings in a
lot of money for our tournament?" And
absolutely, I would have accommodated,
but once again, nobody's communicating
with us. Nobody's giving us the
opportunity. Everyone is expecting the worst from us. We know that since we
got the lease, the previous tenants have
been have been trying to turn everyone
against us and trying to get us out
before we ever even moved in. There were
petitions against us from people we
didn't even meet before we even took
over. Not only did we have to overcome
the bad reputation and the bad food in
the atmosphere, but now we have to
overcome those things
that the the golfers that were happy
with.
Sorry, I just
now we have to overcome
those that were happy with how things
were operated by the previous tenants
because they got free food, alcohol,
made their own drinks behind the bar.
They were also allowed by previous Oh, I
already got that. Um, they came in
through the back entrance, came in
through the kitchen. Um, we continue to
have to guide these patrons away from
this behavior as it is an ongoing issue.
We can't run a business like that. These
are the same people that were
>> x-raying in the bathroom, in the men's
bathroom, in the trash cans and smearing
it all over the walls for my staff to
clean. That's disgusting and it's very
inappropriate.
I thought we were trying to change that.
We don't know them. They don't know us.
I had no idea that there was so much
hatred and so much judgment towards our
family from the people of Pineale,
probably most whom never got the time to
know us. We're not difficult people to
talk to or to approach. How can you
expect us to change things or make
things work when there is no
communication between the parties? We've
lived here for 5 years and have always
been law-abiding citizens who wants to
see this town to continue to grow and a
place for families to grow. To
personally witness the things we have
heard and seen from this community is
disheartening.
with what she said. [clears throat]
We would very much like to finish that
release. However, if your minds have not
been changed, the council's email stated
you're claiming that we are in violation
of release. [clears throat] The claim
that we are advent
to be serve us with a forceful entry
detainer, which we would then attend a
hearing with council. Um, obviously if
we win, we finish out our lease. If we
lose, our council would request a bond
from the judge which we would promptly
pay and then we would appeal which our
council informs us can be a long
process. A process I believe both
parties would like to avoid. So my
counter proposal is this.
Assuming you haven't changed your minds
about letting us see our currently
through to turn
is that you amend our contract to be
terminated.
on March 1st, 2027.
Cindy and I will sign this lease. This
would allow smoother transition for us
for use the city council and whoever you
find to be lease.
The tournaments could have option to
bring in outside food and beverage
without needing approval. However, if
they're not going to patronize us, we
ask uh to enforce policy of preserving
restaurant interior and patio seating
for paying customers. We have spare
tables and seats we would have to
provide for them to set up somewhere on
the lawn area.
And even though you as a council
approved our menus before signing the
lease, we will remove fine dining
options and go to a more simplified all
day menu. We will do our best to
accommodate requests made to you, the
city council, if they are made known to
us,
including beers we have available on
tap.
So we hope this second option is
acceptable if finishing out her release
is not
» I wasn't able to fully understand what
options were. I'm sorry you were talking
quickly and
>> sorry I don't know
but
>> so we we would like to finish up but we
understand
that
um
you guys may not have changed. So, um,
we're hoping to avoid the the the the
legal rigorous because we are repeating
that we're breaking our lease. So, my
last option was that you terminate,
you know, shorten our lease by year to
end on March 1st of 2027 of next year.
And if you guys make the requests that
were known to you of what they'd like to
see on our menu, what they'd like to
see, we will do our best to make that
happen. So if you want all Budweiser and
Kors on top instead of the micro brews
that we have, we'll do it. It's just
we'd rather be working with you and the
community than against you guys. This is
not something that we saw coming. We
wanted coming,
>> right?
>> We we we wanted time to transition to
>> if that's if that's the only option.
» Thank you.
Questions from the board.
questions, comments, statements,
the ability to sell all this
and this is what the complaints have um
just that they all first
and Cindy I mean they feel good about
paying and stuff. I've I've sat down
with them numerous times.
um from the very beginning
>> there's some of the transactions you
have start from the very beginning the
one thing the Google thing that really
bothers me is like you'll see on some of
them pages we get bad reviews through
the golf course because people send them
to the golf course and not to there
because they're two different web pages
so there's some um I mean
what the problems I've had
I met with these guys four or five times
before we ever did the lease because
we've gone down and we've just gone back
and just we had the other people that
were in there. We had a lot of
complaints. I did tell them from the
very beginning,
you got to make the golfers happy. It's
kind of a it's kind of a family out
there. And once once you
once that goes bad, then it's bad. And
um the the things the things where like
in the least that we've not
that have never been done. The breakfast
was a disaster. You guys knew that. We
were supposed to have grabb and go.
There's never been no grab and go. Um
there was never coffee. Um it it
were the things that really and then
like the beer. Um and
me and Sam guys a lot. Um the discount
was basically this same me with them but
basically the discount parts us telling
you that the golfers weren't happy and
we pretty much um said you had to do
that. Um, we know that was our batch of
>> that was ours. We met with Sam once. We
had a whole freezer full of burritos
ready to go. Here's here's the thing
that I've had. You guys You guys are
good. But we've taught you and I say,
"You got to make sure the golf team are
happy. You got to make sure it's all
about the golfers about the golfers."
The tournament thing is a big deal. We
have 16 tournaments this year. Not one
of them. You mean the Mesa people left,
but not one of them um want to deal with
the thing about the thing about
having them bring their alcohol and the
food. It's really hard on the greens for
us to just it takes a lot more personnel
to try to make this all happen. That
food and all that. That's why in the
lease
agreement we had in there that we had to
get all the alcohol and the food from the the restaurant. It's got to be
we've got to work together. And what's hard is um I'm I'm just telling
you I'm not trying to dump on you guys.
I'm just telling you when the golfers
have come to me. Um they close at 8:00
after a tournament. I have to have tons
and then you go through these. We sent
out a survey to the members and we can
read a lot. Um
the hours you know you guys you know the
cheap boys they complained about that.
Um I mean this this weekend I had two
complaints. I I get I get a complaint a
week. Um the bathroom Saturday 1:00 I
had some people call me said bathrooms
were disgusting. So I sent Debbie in
there to to um to clean. Um
and another one said the drinks I had
some people calling these people call me
and they turn me over to she see me on
the she see the my lean
food because she said that that your
all your drinks taste like cleaning
supplies. Um it isn't. Um it's just the
golfers think the prices. They don't
like the menu. Um they they they would
they love your pizza. They you can only
get pizza certain times. It's just
the golf has, you know, they have a
hold. I mean, I'm there to I want what's
bad is if the golfers ain't happy, then
they're not happy playing golf. So, they
go over there and they have a bad
experience and then then it's it's just
like a vicious circle. Not saying it's
anything, but I think they started off
wrong, you know, with with stuff. And I
mean I um
I just and you know I I have had Mike at
Lensley tell me you know he I think he's
got a something in there about he likes
to serve beer. He said he asked you guys
and you guys said nope. We brought in
gluten-free
and so that's the stuff I keep all the
golfers keep telling me it's it's you
know I other than that they're great to
deal with they pay the rent I you know I
haven't had any problems get the rent
from um I just don't think what they are
they're more trying to be fine dining
and that place just needs to be hot pops
some bar food And and and to get about
the lease, there's no legal there
because you didn't follow any of the
rules. And I mean, they you know, they I had the town call me and think
about serving alcohol. They know our
license does not it's got to stay on our
property and they work under our
license. So, they were selling at when
they were catering with our license and
that's that's automatic. And then also I
had to get down with the
RV park um call me last summer. Remember
they had one of the beverage park was
over in there. So I' I've had them
issues
» most of this conveyed to the lieutenants
you talked with.
>> I I'
I've told them they have to make the the golfers hadn't. Um, and I would tell
the golfers, try to talk to me. The
feedback I got all the time was they're
hard to talk to. Um, I I would always
just tell Cindy, you know, try to, you
know, because every time I'm older, it's
really slow and stuff. So, I was like,
you know, we got to try to get the
golfers to to come in. Um, I, you know,
I bought I bought a $6,000 barbecue for
real. How many times you guys use that?
I mean, that was several times. We did
barbecues,
>> but we did a hot dog pick out.
>> I mean, we were hoping the beverage was
going to be out there every week. It
maybe a couple times. Um, it's just
I know that I mean their food's good.
So, I'm not trying to I'm just saying I
just don't think
they they got on board with the golfers.
You know, they they
that's that's where we're at. And what's
bad is, you know, I got right now I got
memberships, you know, that they're
like, you know, I don't know if I want
to buy a membership because I don't want
to deal with that, you know. I mean,
believe it or not, I mean, it I know it
sounds silly, but them golfers, that is
a big
they they they want people to go in
there and have reasonable beer, you
know. Um I you know I had a lady call me
matter and he had because charge $18 for
her class name. Um I I just tried to you
know I kept because I know they were
trying to but I just think you know from
the very beginning what kind of makes me
mad is we four signs I met what four or
five and I kept saying
got to have you know we got to cater to
the golfers and I I think that's where
right off the bat we we went more into
this fine dining kind of thing instead
of making it just a hot dog
sell you sell burgers in salad.
>> Thank you.
» Okay.
>> So, several things. Um, again, we had
present our menus and to Billy and you
guys before we even signed police. Um,
so
shouldn't be a surprise of what our menu
offerings were. Um, we didn't subtract
anything from them. We've only added,
you know, smash burgers. Um, we extended
happy hour, which you can get a beer for
like $3. That goes till six, you know.
Um, like Cindy said with the ladies
league talked to us um for their when
they were there, we extended happy
houring through the evening for them.
Um, yes, we close at 8:00 during fall
and winter when golfers aren't there,
but we um stay open till 9:00 and we've
even stayed open till 10:00 if the
golfers were there drinking. Um,
sometimes even 11:00. Um, we've been
there pretty late if the golfers were
there drinking. Um, again,
some of the complaints uh from the
golfers were even before we took over
and you know, we feel like we've never
even been given a chance. Mike, yeah, he asked us for gluten-free beer. We
started bringing in gluten-free beer.
We've had golfers ask for highs. We
didn't have highs. We brought in highs.
You could ask all of our regulars that
come in, you know, that they they're
happy with us because we do listen to
them. Okay. They said, "One thing about
you guys is that when we suggest
something, you you guys try to
accommodate and put that on your your
menus."
Um, and again with my second proposal of
shortening the release by the year, um,
like I said, if you guys make known to
us what the golfers are saying to you,
which they aren't saying to us,
regardless of what they're claiming,
they're not talking to us, we will do
our best to accommodate those requests,
including beer on tap, including what's
on the menu. Um
we we you know we rather would this
would have been a discussion um
then I mean obviously you guys have a
slew of complaints uh sent to Billy. We have not we have not nothing was
brought to us. I I think Sydney would
like to say something.
I I wish all of these complaints would
have been brought to us. I I don't think
I'm not unreasonable. If if I were to
have been told, "Your menu sucks. We
don't like your menu. This is what we
want." I've changed my menu over and
over again to accommodate people. But
how can I change that if I don't know
anything? We we we've been told nothing.
So, how how how
can that fix anything? It's how could
any of these problems be fixed without
us being told this is exactly what the
golfers are saying. This is what they
don't like. This is what they hate. This
is what they want to see change. I I can
take criticism. I can take complaints. I
can take all of that. But I can't change
anything if I don't know what the
problem is.
And we've had we've had pots of coffee
that we've thrown away that nobody's
come in for as much as a single cup.
We've had freezer full of quick and easy
burritos to to warm up that we've
eventually got freezer burn, had to
throw away. We've had a lot of breakfast
product that we've had to throw away,
but yet we still stayed open. yet we
still uh paid employees to be there even
though none of the golfers
ever came in to have breakfast. We've
had breakfast sales but none of them
were ever golfers.
So,
um, again, it's it's very disheartening
for us and again, we'd rather be working
with you and the golfers for the the
next year, not even instead of, you
know,
doing
the [clears throat] alternative, which
would be, you know, us trying to fight
and appeal this
Thank you. Appreciate that.
Um, [clears throat] questions, comments
from the board.
Wait, is this a a voting item?
>> One more time.
>> This an item that we voted on.
>> Oh, voting. I think loading. Um, Mr.
Chairman, ultimately you all made a
decision prior,
>> correct?
>> And so, if you wanted to undo that
decision, you can. Um, but that's up to
you guys.
>> Wonderful. That's all I need to take. Is
there anyone that wants to make a motion
in regards to um
amending our prior action?
No.
The information that we had early on
indicated that it time to make a change
and stick with
[clears throat] okay. At this point in
time, the uh original
um
vote
um determination stands. No further
action will be taken.
Okay, at this point I will break
for lunch.
meeting back.
Up next is
[clears throat] the procurement policy
and
everyone has the latest
red line from
the individ Is that correct?
So going through we've had comments from
a
little I'm aware of
from fire
and then ver from Andre
here if you like to go ahead address
some of the findings that we have. That
will be done in
Mr. Chairman Commissioners. Thank you.
Appreciate the opportunity to uh discuss
the policy um as well. uh you all uh got
a copy of my email and I'm I'm willing
to answer any questions that you may
have um certainly
those sort of changes. I think the big I
think the biggest thing is um
feasibility especially with the vehicle
procurement policy um for speaking
specifically for the sheriff's office
and not for the county as a whole. Um, I
think that would and I'm not I'm not
gonna speak for Billy. He can speak for
himself, but I think this would be a a
tall task for him to undertake. No, no
doubt that he probably could do it, but
that's no cons considerable heartache
and uh and issues. But I really I
really, you know, if this if this policy
in effect is trying to be more fiscally
responsible, um I think we would be
going the opposite direction.
I said one of the
step back and look at this from the
beginning if we can share it there.
Yeah. Um when
doing a business is the number of people
do and they go out for basic services.
[clears throat] They go out and purchase
tires. They're a single owner shop and
they go out and we hire to have it done.
As my business grows, I hire employees
to work for me and with me. And as my
grows,
I'll eventually hire
to take care of my repairs, take care of
fires, take care of different things
like that. That makes sense. The purpose
for that is so I can have individuals on
call to address my needs. So I don't
have to book out weeks in advance.
And when I when they go out, this is
only restoration example. If you go out and purchase a tire for $300,
that's what I pay. It's $300. But if I
go to an outside source, that outside
source buys for 300.
I hope I have the same buying floor as outside businesses.
And then they have their markup on it, x
number of dollars.
And then they have their own mechanic,
tire changer that they hire
and they pay the hourly wage for them,
but then they have a markup on that
employee also. And at the end of the end
of the day, depending on the business
that's doing it, this markup's going to
be anywhere from 20 to 50% or greater
depending on where you business.
I'm using this as an illustration,
not negating anything that you said, but
county is needs to look at this as a
business and say we have
capability
on payroll to go out and purchase these
items. And then we have further the
employees, the equipment needed to make
the repairs, to make them changes.
And these are all at cost, if you will,
with no markup associated with us. And
so for
us to say,
well, we need to do business with
different county businesses.
And I agree with that to the extent of
if we have the resources to do it, then
we need to do it in house because
ultimately it saves every taxpayer
money. and we're not on a frivolous
basis. And I think that makes sense
there when it comes to the procurement
policy.
That's a different uh different topic
and I'd be interested in in further
exploring that.
>> Yeah, Mr. Mr. Chairman, um I understand
uh your concept and in a uh in a regular
business world, I think that makes
complete sense. However, I think we're
missing the mark here and I think we are
in in going to end up costing the
taxpayers more money um if we were to go
with the with the current procurement
policy as as defined. I would agree that
Billy has remarkable workers such as
county shop that they can work on
vehicles. However, they are limited. Um
right now um the uh the sheriff's office
has five different brands. Um, we have
Chevys, we have Fords, we have Jeeps,
and we acquired a Toyota here in Hub a
couple years ago. In order for Billy to
do the required updates or even the di
the advanced diagnostics on those
vehicles u would cost him and the county
tens of thousands of dollars to get the
specialized equipment needed to do that.
the majority interrupt you there don't
misunderstand but that's up to the billy
to be turning for us
>> I apologize I mean no disrespect
okay then I apologize for that then but
I would also say um that we have some
very specialized equipment uh that would
that require some specialized needs
which I I know that the county does not
have uh that we are required to use
vendors outside um of either the county
and the state of Wyoming
for for our
[clears throat]
and I appreciate that is a
possibility to say these are the things
policy from your perspective
and these are the items that we need to
use outside 4579
is
conversation
I don't know that in general.
>> So I guess I I guess I guess guess my if
I were to have an ask um
instead of creating policy
based on assumptions, I think we need to
have real numbers on what's it what it's
actually going to cost the taxpayers of
this county before we put it into a a
policy.
I think that I'm only speaking as an
individual
and again it's not directed towards any
department anyway but at the same time I
mean I see [clears throat] the reports
council table coming in and I perceive
the agent excess suspended
legislation that the tax managers are
accepted they're both on
not being able to be very
responsible in a judiciary manner with
that and engage the book at the time to
save taxpayer money. That's a
conversation that's been going on since
last budget year budget year before
that cost
and
if that's something that has not been
fully
embraced by different departments
will help them go back
because there are items on tables that
I don't view as
the individual department heads are not
able to come up with
a process where they go out and
incompetitive
on a regular basis then
they're doing a good job complete.
That's just my
>> Okay. I I guess as a as a department
head and also as an elective official, I
would have taken offense to that because
that's exactly what I tried to do with my fiscal budget every year for the
sheriff's office. I can I mean if that
is the case that you do feel that we are
spending exorbitantly then I think um we
need to as as the commissioners you need
to get the vouchers from the county
clerk go through and then we have that
conversation as to why you think that
that's overspending or not spending
wisely for with our taxpayer money.
>> I just gave you the illustration of the
tires and that's a basic one.
>> Sure. Um my rebuttal was um so now um
our deputies are all over the the
county. Some live in South County some
live in North County. Um the time for
them to take on their day off uh to
bring a vehicle in uh for tires, for
oil, is that going is that going to is
that going to be cost effective as to
what we're saving by uh buying a uh
a bunch of tires? And that's where I go
back to, you know, let's let's get let's
get the numbers first cuz I have those
and let's see what's going to be more
cost prohibitive.
I'd like to add a little I talked to one
case this weekend and we didn't discuss
tired but a simple oil change. He lives
down here and drop his vehicle off
service picked up when he's done goes
back on duty $90 oil change under it. He
figures if he has finally he'll get time
and half on these days off go over there
and wait for it to turn it into a $300
oil changer which is something I hadn't
thought of time paying him over time to
go over you know simple oil change for
South County
have gain money right here locally
so excuse
>> but is he not capable or the
deputy not capable
of leaving the vehicle in jail or with
Billy and taking another vehicle home.
So with our fleet currently, we don't
have vehicles that we can just provide a
deputy to take home for two days, three
days off. Um we have to have those
vehicles for our deputies that are on
the road that are working.
Did I answer your question?
I'm confused on that because if they're
off then they take the vehicle home with
them and it sits there for the few days
or stay.
>> So that's I guess that was I guess I'm
trying to clarify. So are you expecting
them to drive their personal vehicle or
have somebody pick them up and take them
home?
But back to the question that I was
asking on availability of units and
that's where we don't our our fleet is
diminished significantly uh because of
the you know no new vehicle or no new
vehicles for the past fiscal year. Um,
I've I've given my vehicle up. Um, our
patrol lieutenant has given his vehicle
up. Um, just so our deputies have a
vehicle uh that is safe and reliable for
them to respond the calls. We don't have a vehicle where we can
just give to um a county employee to
leave um their county vehicle to take
home and stay there uh for their two
days, three days off, then bring back um
to get their other vehicle.
» How many do you have to share? I don't
know the exact number.
Other questions, comments?
>> Well, I'd like to make a comment. I
can't
change for you if I can take this
for my personal deal.
I can call up and I can say, "Hey, I got
to get my oil changed." generator
that I use
go in there like there.
So would appear to be
kind of average on on oil change
have time after time after time
or ask hey can I get my vehicle back at
such and such a time yeah sure I sit
down read a book they give me the call
it's an hour or less and then oil change
so
I I'm looking at
why should it be much different than for
a deputy to call up and say if he's in
the county we make
a scheduled stop say hey I'm going to be
in town I'll be like be there at 10:00
can you get me chat I don't know I'm not
talking for Billy I don't know how they
are there all
for my personal
perspective. So my suspicion is they
could set up that also is in the big
deal. The old one or two is not but over
time it becomes one and [clears throat]
and we talk about
been underneath all
it's twice as much
for any of the county departments
later
twice
and that's a significant over time.
Those are the kind of things we can look
at and say, "Well, that's why that's in policy because
you guys
put us in a position of
do we care, do we not care? Do we listen
to the community say hey how come?" We
have an answer for the hey, how come?
Sometimes we don't because we don't know
why.
is it okay to spend 14 $1,500 on a
set of tires and you can do it for sale?
How do I answer that?
And an answer is truthfully
those are the things over time that
we're trying to slow down as far as the
vehicles go.
I know the specialized equipment is
something that could be a little
different, but I'll guarantee
that if I go out there and I try to find
four Ford Broncos or Ford Jeep
Gladiators or whatever it might be,
I can get them out fairly reasonable.
You can bring them back and go get up. I
guess that's a terrible
I don't think I'm talking about that.
What we're talking about is that the
vehicle gets set permanent policy allow
this case
to say okay we're going to go we get
fors and we get cheap we get what you
guys would like and we're going to put
it together so that when it's all said
and done it's a substantial savings
I've grown with that I think the people
of faith
our salaries expected or they should
and I think that's what this procurement
policy is designed to try to do is to
eliminate some overrun
things that
not necessarily
understand the concerns you got
understanding concerns and problem
but the primary concern should be are we
treating the taxpayers have been as
brutally as we should be or as we can
my perspective that's the ultimate goal
I'm not going to put you in a pink
scooter maker but I don't think you
needed a Cadillac there
your needs
satisfy somebody from outside and says
hey how come they're driving $100,000
in fact they know you drive 60 and all
this stuff
>> [snorts]
>> 30 40,000 unfair
and so those are the kind of things I
think we're looking at to try to
bring back if you would in perspective
and the little things amount to big
things just being forever so we can slow
down things
I think over trying to accomplish
policies intended to do and for myself
when we put this together. I said, you
know, I know there going to have to be
some give and take. We're going to have
to put back there and we're going to
give some some feedback from the bargain
and we're going to expand it and ex
say I don't know about this and that's
why you're here today so we can look at
some of these things figure out what's
overall for the community. I don't think
anybody
have a vehicle
to get the job done,
but you're going to be responsible for
putting on the extra stuff. And I know
there's a lot of it. I see.
So I think that for me it's it's it's
prudent to try to
tear down some of the expenses if we can
do so without
any department
policy. That's
[clears throat]
especially the fact that if everything
is appointed the way it looks like we're
going to be learning the downsides
so to speak that makes it some
I would prefer
matter of fact I will not touch the
salaries I will not touch the employment
of the factor
because those people need to make a
living too. But I doesn't bother me at
least cut out what I think might be a
little bit of a fluff here, a little
fluff there. And this time of year to
begin to see some of that all of a
sudden there's not just any one
department with most department. Wow.
Where'd that come from? It's a $25,000
some
heard of you. see a lot of that from now
to the next
budget session
and so that's stuff from my perspective
but for those
under the fluff that maybe doesn't need
to be involved.
That's what I'm going to look for quite
honestly. You didn't explain such
I'm going to look
I'm going to pick my guns in some
business cuz I don't think it's wise
charact
private business somebody
I don't think it's wise to spend if you
don't know what you're going to have
come in
doesn't make sense to me
well if I take more out of my saving
else
than I put back in it. After a while, my
savings accounts gone. That's the same
thing with reserves, accounting spend
over time. The amount of money we just
spend a million something here today in
two weeks.
So over time
the earth which looks huge
may not hear
policy update way start
maybe squeeze down
understand everybody says oh I can't do
without this that's okay let's try
that's my take
Mr. Chair, Mr. Commissioner, Chairman
Vicky. Um, so to answer some of your
points again, I think we're going back
to presumption. Um, and I I'm someone
that works in, you know, the facts. I
don't want to I don't want to create a
policy uh based on assumptions or
presumptions. And um I heard you say
that
by um
ordering uh a lot of tires and not
having to pay the taxes, not having to
pay the shipping and handling, not
having to pay um you know the up the up
cost in that that it's half of what
we're paying right now. Um I'd like to
see the real numbers on that unless you have those.
So, I mean, and I can also vouch I can
vouch for some of our local businesses,
too, that they aren't charging us any
more than they charge the public on an
oil change, on tire rotations, on the
purchase of tires just because we're the
county entity.
I personally know they would they would
not do that to us or or the county
because they're part of this community,
too. There are there
is
no problem was not saying we overcharge
the county versus the private investment
but I think that uh commissioner vry
made the statement that um that the uh
the cost goes up because of that that
they get charged um significant amount
percentage percentage amount
to the year to the year they're
reporting by their deputies
um get them oil changes, tire rotations
while they're on duty. We can do that.
But if you've received complaints, I've
received the complaints. If they see our
deputy on the side of the road that's
stationary for more than 10 minutes,
they're calling me and saying, "Hey,
what why isn't he why isn't he
responding to traffic? Why isn't he
stopping vehicles?" Now, we're going to
have deputies that are going to be
sitting um in a lobby in uniform.
What's the public perception going to be
there?
Well, if you're
want
to do that, I can. If I don't want to,
but I'm going to pay you right now.
Go around the county
and ask me
people, they'll say,
down here side by side wondering what to
do. I drive by I drive by up there,
customer time after time after time.
Two guys are set. They're going to face
the one way the other. I come by there.
They face one side, one the other. 65
miles an hour. Guy asking me in a hurry
to get in
mile and a half. I know he's going 80.
Why don't we
make any difference? I'm not the one
that's going to do it. I'm going to say
again
in this
but it happens
I I see
by the fish turn after time I travel
time after time after time and I know
they're doing their job
their lives
But I need to come back to the point in
order.
» Mr. chairman. Um I'll I'll be I'll be
brief and I'll end um but uh again I
appreciate the opportunity to at least
talk about it discuss I think I think
there's a lot of ed education that can
be done u on both sides and I may be
happy to sit down and listen to that as
well um because I'm not a
not an accountant and uh but I do you
know personally um I take it upon myself
to responsibly
budget every year. I can tell you for
the past decade um the word has been to
maintain or cut our budgets and I've
done that every year. My budget that I
had in two 2016 when I started is
probably more or equal to the budget I
have now. So it's government obviously
we're going to do less and we cut all
the time. Um and we have cut we cut
physicians uh within the department
through attrition instead of having to
let people go. Um I dismissed my under
sheriff uh just so we wouldn't have to
cut employees um no longer have that you
know that position uh to help out with
all of our departments. So I I
understand working in government. I've
done it long enough to know um that yeah
this is what we deal with. um we're not
a private entity where um you know we
can just create more money or money can come in and we have that
luxury but I also want you to know that
I'm not someone um that is um for fluff
or I feel that we allow our depending
what we need of our department to add
fluff um to our to our budget every
month. So with that and I appreciate
that that being said, do you think that
there would be the opportunity and
latitude to sit down and say what
commission is proposing
not ideal
and what I have maybe on the opposite
end of the spectrum and might have a
place in that we make this that
everyone's needs. Is that a possibility?
>> I I believe so, Mr. Chairman. Um the
thing is is um we've cut all the fat
that we can um with the increase in uh
taxes, prices. Um
inflation um it's uh it's difficult and
uh I'm afraid if we are going to cut um
it'll have to be personnel and I'm I'm
prepared for that. So
personality
I I app I appreciate that sentiment and
I think the ones that are on on the
online appreciate that sentiment too. still
and so it's not
how you do that
and think
and I understand the procurement policy
hasn't been broached before obviously
and so all you can do is take the best
yes approach at the onset and hope that
you come up with we'll be glad we're
able to give the departments of the
constru
other students. Yes, you're long. I know
this works, but you missed this. We save
money here. That's all we're trying to
do. Sheriff and I and I do and I think I
said that at the beginning and I
appreciate just the opportunity to talk
about it,
>> right?
>> I do have to Yeah. have to disagree with
some things and I'm happy to sit down
and discuss those. I think we actually
need to put dollars to dollars u to make
sure that we are saving the tax people
money. I really appreciate it.
We'll work together.
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr.
Anyone else?
I'm just
[clears throat] my issues. what I see
with the with room bridge is um I'm kind
of different than a lot of departments
because everything I do is a lot of
money you know um
I order fuel every 10 days that's always
over 35,000 and so the 35,000 is the the
bid I bid the fuel anyway um I guess my whole thing about the 7500 and the
35,000 is is everything I do. You know,
covers, you know, when I order them, I
do get I always bid every day, get
prices. Um, my biggest thing is, and
I, you know, I'm I'm an open book. I'll
bring you guys I'll talk to you every
two weeks on everything I do. Um, the
$7,500 thing uh to get approval and
stuff after that.
If if I heard if I have a motor grater
go down most time it's always over $7500
to get it fixed and that's the stuff I
just scares me a little bit. I'm afraid
um it's going to hinder. I mean, we're 7
days a week, you know, 24 hours 77 if we
have to. And I So, I I jump on getting
stuff fixed and and and everything. And
then like fueling and the sealed bin
thing, I I kind of don't know how that's
going to work. The time frames what
scares me on stuff. Um cutting edges,
you know, I I you guys see the invoices.
I spend $200,000 a year on that because
it's um a set of blades that I go
through probably three sets a year on my
order, you know, maybe 2,000 a set. Um
but a lot of it's availability, you
know. Um, I I watch on when I'm buying
these parts a lot of times, you know,
where I get my cutting edges and stuff.
They're, you know, they're 60 days out,
you know, 90 days out. So, if they're in
stock, I'll buy an extra set because I
know I'm going to use them. That's the
stuff that kind of scares me just, you
know, moneywise. Um, so you know, um, if
I had a way to come to a meeting to say,
"Hey, I need to, you know, I'm like I
just it it's just I'm afraid it's going
to slow process down a little bit for
me." Um, that like like the fuel like,
you know, every 10 days, like I said, it
just depends on fuel prices. You know,
fuel prices were lower. So I've been
about 38,000 every 10 days, but now you
know I'll be up to because the prices
I'll be more 40 50,000. Um so I guess
with me the number wise kind of affects
my operation.
Um
and and like I said, I'm an open book.
Um I've been doing the road bridge
budgeting since 2007.
Um I think I'm kind of like Casey. If
you look at some of my budgets, I'm way
lower than I ever have been um on stuff.
Um I mean, and I know this year's bad.
I'm not going to ask for any equipment,
any anything under the point of bare
bones, too. I mean, the only thing I can
cut more is is personnel. Um the thing
that scares me is like our equipment and
stuff is getting, you know, it's all
pretty much off warranty. I mean, you
guys know, we talked last year about
budgeting my motivators. You know, I
tried to get rid of them around 8,000
hours. You know, more than half of them
have right they're right there. Um, my
12 trucks, I mean, I know everyone says,
"Oh, bridge got new trucks." Almost
every one of them trucks are 25 years
old, you know, and so this winter I was
lucky. We didn't have a winner, so I
didn't I didn't have to push him. But
the things that things get I mean it's
fine. I keep on going but it costs more
money to fix and the stuff that's
breaking is more expensive. So that's
what scares me about this 35,000 stuff
now that you know I don't know how you
want me to do the parts and stuff like
that because you you see I mean I had
that dozer go down and you know that was just for one one little you
know motor hydro hydrostatic motor on it
and you know it was 46,000
um
so that's my you know I mean my problems
with it is just the dollar amount for my
operation, you know. Um, I do bid
everything out. I mean, I bid out all
the propane for all the buildings every
year. I estimate how much we're going to
use. Like I I So I I mean, I try to save
the county as much money as I can. Um,
on the tire, I I submit them forms every
year so we get the government discounts,
so we get them for half price. Um, so I do not try to just um blow my budget.
I really don't. Um, but on some things
like a seal bid over 35,000 is kind of,
you know, that's going to take a lot a
lot of effort to put in there, you know,
to make sure and we don't get ourselves
in trouble. And and I guess I don't know
how how particular you want to be on
them bids and stuff like that if we you
know um and a lot of it's just time and
availability with my with my department
um of getting stuff. So that's that's
all. So when you accumulate things and
then submit for government pricing.
>> Yeah. When you purchase a tire at one of
the outside vendors, are they also
subject to government pricing? No. You got to no local person can get
government pricing. You got to be a
government agency and you got to fill
out forms and everything and we got to
put, you know, all all our information
and stuff down. And then I have to sign
when when we get every every time I
every year I have to sign saying that
them tires will only be used on
government vehicles. So with that said
because I don't know we presume that you
could
pick up for the sheriff's department
also for his vehicle.
>> Correct. And we have so many times Case
Casey and Casey Casey could buy off of
this too. Right. Only through only
through river bridge. Yeah. Okay. So if
you happen to go XYZ out here
commissioner victory.
Yeah. You there's only you gota like
every year you get this you fill out the
thing you know like right now it's good
year stone is the government. You got to
use them brands. They're they're the
ones that got the government discount
that that to do that. And so you have to
buy those brands and you have to go
through this, you know, through like a,
you know, you got to be used for
government vehicles and um then you can get that that price and like
right now the only you know the you got
to you got to deal with dealers all
dealers. It's all the same price. dealer
can change prices, you know, because you
got the list from the the federal
government send you the list of what
they got to charge you for tires.
So like right now the only the two
suppliers that I that only selling
brands is tired and and commercial
tires. So that's why I get my tires
at 50%.
Is that correct?
>> Yeah. Yeah. And there's they're not, you
know, a lot of guys I've heard, you
know, they're going for seconds. They're
not. It's just they're, you know, they
they're it's just these these tire
companies
been on this
government discount, you know, they just
they're working in volume.
One of the statements made early in
earlier
um outside of today's meeting was that
by doing some of this they understood.
What's your what's your feeling there?
>> No, I'm not I mean right now I mean I
got plenty plenty of mechanics. We can
get them in whenever. Um,
you know, right now normally, you know,
they they like Casey said, his guys will
drop the vehicle off and on their days
off and we, you know, we we do all the
oil change and we rotate the tires and
then and everything and we just, you
know, then they pick it up on their days
off. Um like the like Casey is right
like we have we have your basic which we
have the same is most everybody in Pine del M you know computer wise to
plug in and they'll tell you kind of
what's going on with them. Um if it's
something major normally I just throw
them on the transport and I run you know
the toy dealer and get whatever needs
done done. That's what I do with my
trucks and other trucks. But that it
isn't feasible to try to keep up with
all the because they just the monthly
fees on the computer systems and that
are just unreal. You know, we did a
little bit. We we when when Casey had a
bunch of dodges, we did and I had a
bunch of dodges. We bought the dodge and
I think we paid back then like 12,000 a
year. And then every time you it looks
like every other month you had to
upgrade it. Upgrade it was 25 here, 2500
here, 25. So it's just it's more
feasible to just if you can look and see
what the problem is and if if it
most everything's electronics now and
stuff. So it's just easier just to haul
it down there and get it fixed and bring
it back.
>> Thank you.
Um, are you comfortable comfortable
going through this and identifying
different areas of work and seeing
mechanical?
>> Oh, yeah. I I just wanted to kind of let
you know where I'm at, you know. I mean,
and I'm like I said, I'm different in a
lot of departments and everything and I
seem to deal with this big numbers, you
know. Um,
you know, but I do try to I get pricing
on everything. The thing I do, I get
pricing. Um, when I buy pickups or
semiis or whatever or graders, I have my
spec and I send them out, you know, to
John Deere. I sent them out to
everything and and, you know, a lot of
them don't meet my spec. We have
certain, you know, like on some of the
snow, you know, I want I want my motor
graders to be versatile and some of them
you can't you can't run wings on and
stuff like that. So, that's how I
eliminate a lot.
But I do I do I do try saving the county
money and I try to do every opportunity
I can get to bid and do these government
um programs and that I do I do try doing
them all but I was just kind of worried
about the still did
7 to wait I mean if I can you know I'm I'll work however you guys want me
to do just if I can contact somebody and
you know with you guys or something over
$7,500 so I don't have to wait for get
stuff ordered or stuff like that you
know I'm I'm open for your individual
proposals on a different I can
do that because I certainly don't know
what you know Billy I can't presume to
put myself in the position so your
guidance okay
thank you Anyone
else please?
I'm sorry.
» Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, thank you
for letting speak on behalf of Chief
Cooper today. He sent you an email. Um,
I'm here to answer any questions you
might have on this email, but I do
encourage you to speak with Chief
Cooper, Sheriff Leer, Bill,
um, people that operate specialized
equipment
that, um, we can all get together and
have a working solution
to a positive procurement policy. Um,
I know for my years working with Sully,
um, I [clears throat] can honestly say I
have watched every penny that has been
spent through the sheriff's office when
I work there through fire. I know that
when Chief Cooper is working on a new
fire truck, it takes him weeks, to put together a spec sheet. um
precise. He's very thorough.
Um it doesn't come lightly to him. He
watches every penny as well.
Unfortunately, fire equipment is very
expensive such as road and bridge
equipment is very expensive. Um
if you have any questions,
I'll take them now. If not, I encourage
you rather than voting on this today to
table it and
work with Sheriff Leer, Chief Cooper,
and Billy and come up with a working
solution that works for every department
in Serge
has been sent to
if we were a different mindset, we would
have stayed clear,
>> but rather
your first step
and asking for assistance to establish
a body believe that I'm not going to
correct me wrong.
We think we can do better and every
dollar we save is not my dollar. It's
not your dollar. It's the taxpayers's
money.
>> Exactly. And our responsibility as
elected officials is to try to save as
much as possible and it's not attacking
department heads or different
individuals elected officials.
This is the nature of what we're doing.
That that's all it is. So this please
work with us and come up with something
that's workable for everyone. And if you
want to create an adversarial
occupation with us
to go
that's all we're asking please.
>> Okay. Did you have any questions on this
email?
>> I'll chat with Chad here in the next
week or so.
>> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Anyone else please?
» Hopefully all my questions get answered.
Right. Yeah.
>> Mr. Chairman, um just what I want to
touch base on is uh [clears throat]
definition of emergency kind of just
because like Blake and uh and with
maintenance, we're kind of the same, but
we got really expensive buildings.
Anything can happen at any time. And I
just don't want to be scared to pull the
trigger on some if we're out to do
for example um three weeks ago we had
fire alarm system dump fill system full
of water and that system um actually
goes outside on the north side of my
building and being 9° and 2:30 in the
morning. I have to call fire engineering
at 2:30 in the morning and get vehicles
rolling so we can get water out those
lines before they freeze and break. Um,
and that's usually over $7,500 when we
have to do that. Um, fire engineering is
our company um, countywide that takes
care of all of our systems. So, I guess
I don't know what that would look like
if that fell outside of your definition
of emergency. we going to start bidding
some of those services out to do price
comparison on that or if or if we're
needing to call for approval because I
don't think you guys want to hear from
me at 2:30 on Sunday morning for water
and fire system. Um so I just I just
want to make sure that the definition of
emergency for those kind of things we're
all on the same page. Um, and then the
same thing like if one of my wells go
down or something like that when I have
people on the fairgrounds. We only have
a couple different well drillers in the
county. Um, we have one that takes care
of this right now. So, I just
want to make sure that I just don't want
to make a decision on Saturday and be
fired on Monday kind of deal.
» Yes.
every day. [laughter]
>> Right. Right. Um I've been here since
2011, made a lot of decisions um since
then to um help with some of this and I
just
yeah just want to make sure that like
some of our definitions and I know they got some of the same concerns
probably uh just because some of the
equipment in our buildings are so much
more than that 7500
um so as always just moving up to you is
we can that that maybe worked out
between the two of us.
>> Sure. And it's pretty much like explain
to Billy P and sheriff.
Let's find something
to kind of come agree on and come and
start
moving forward. That's all.
Thank you.
>> Well, Blake, he answered all your
question. We don't need to hear from
you.
>> Okay. [laughter]
Do you have something like
commissioners? Uh I think they addressed
most of them. I mean I think mining and
Andre's biggest question was you know
going into budget like are we expecting
to have all of these things done? But it
sounds like we're going to move the ball
down the road. Um, which our budget's a
little bit different than the way Billy
is cuz, you know, he plans for his
projects and the engineers help him
decide what the cost estimate should be
and then later on when they actually do
the project, you bid it out where all of
the things that are usually in our
budget other than emergencies or that
are things that we want to replace that
are broke or that we know has to be
replaced like the air conditioners,
things of that sort. We all that's bid
out and we find the price and that's how
it gets put in the budget to start with
and so that's somewhat confusing in that
of about invoices of if it's already in
the budget because pretty much
everything it's a major component in
budget you have x number of dollars
you know that we have money set aside
why would you not call two or three
other vendors regarding what they're
pricing yet we've already turned
inventory, but maybe you can save,000,
$10,000 by quicker
shopping at that point. That makes
sense.
>> Um, it does, but most of those projects
we already got a bid from everyone and
the number that we put in the budget was
the lowest person
>> and then a lot of those things are
>> six months later.
>> True. But a lot of those things are
equipment where when the budget is first
passed, those people get their checks
and they order equipment and then it
gets installed later. So, you know, like
the air conditioner project at the
courthouse, perfect example, you know,
July 17th, the budget got passed, will
orders those. They don't even show up on
site until the end of December. And then
hopefully Steve gets some power this
week and we actually commission next
week. I mean it is there it is a
year-long pro I mean the whole entire
budget cycle just to get that one
project done. Um and then my other big
concern is
it has taken
and
Jay can attest to this. It has taken 15
years since I took over fire suppression
responsibilities which still not exactly
sure how I got that job but I got
[laughter] and I've done really good
tried really hard to save a lot of
money. So in 2011 when I took over it
was every department did their own
inspections. It was it was a mess. It
was a it took like two months 70,000
bucks between everyone. everyone spent
the $70,000 just to get in inspection
stuff. Nothing to do with actually
fixing deficiencies and keeping your
stuff running. And uh when Andy bestowed
that project upon me, you know, we bid
everything and it kind of came down and then I mean literally we
do time and materials now and last year
I mean with time and materials I got it
done for $31,000
like there's vast amounts of times when
time and materials is drastically
cheaper than the bid process. us because
when you're having people bid stuff,
they plan for every horrible disaster in
the world where which I wish there were
some oil field people here, but where
even the oil field most bad construction
and stuff now they do time and material
cuz they don't want all those people
putting a new motor grader tire on there
for the price of 12 grand when the motor
never broke down the whole time they did
the job where and maybe that's one of
those things that you were talking about
where there's certain things that time
and material is super super cheaper than
a big process and then
I get the pricing services
but the people at fire engineering know
not only did they build almost all of
our fire suppression in our buildings up
until independent living um
we have a great business relationship
with those people I can call one of
those people at 4:00 in the
when there is a disaster and they will
sometimes it takes a second phone call
but they will get up and answer the
phone and help me talk through our
problem so that our property is not
being more destroyed and get it to a
point where we don't have to do an
emergency service call at 2:30 in the
morning cuz
that starts at about 5,000 bucks to have
them roll the truck in the middle of the
night. um where when if we go to the
thing where every other every year it's
changing to someone different, those are
all those relationships are thrown out
the window. And uh the other good
example is was that two years ago when
you were out in the high school final
rodeo,
two [clears throat] days before the
rodeo,
Jay won and Jay's pipes break, which
pretty much have to shut the whole fire
system down. So nobody can be
technically in the a center. Kay calls
me. I get on the phone with fire
engineering and they're like, "Oh, it'd
be like Monday before we can build a
pipe before we can get the pipe built
and get back up there because the shop's
really busy." And uh
so I told the salesman, I was like,
"Well, I'll call James and I'll see how
busy the shop really is. I have great
rapport with the people in the shop." I
call the shop, tell James where we're at
and I really need this piece of pipe
made. James goes, "I'll get it done.
call the office back, tell them schedule
the people for tomorrow. James stays
late, builds a pipe, next day they're
up, put it in, and the high school rodeo
goes off without a hitch. Where if we
get rid of those relationships,
those kind of things will not happen.
And
th those people, we aren't paying extra.
It just they know that we are always
doing you know it's just give and take
where they know they are going to help
us where most fire companies only do one
thing like they do inspections but they
don't do service work and then it is a
mess because it'll be like 2011 where
you have the fire marshal standing there
telling you well I'm going to kick
everyone out of the courthouse because
you have deficiencies that aren't being
addressed and until you get them
addressed, nobody's going to be in the
building. And it really hard to get to
the point we're at where I just don't
want to go backwards because I've done
it as cheap as humanly possible. And I
really to all the department heads here,
I think we can all attest that they've
done a better job than anyone else. Like
they know how our stuff works.
That's about it.
>> Thank you.
for
the first step in the process.
Received your concerns and are willing
to discuss and come to um
different working options if available
and hopefully work together on this. But
the bottom line again is to address
the expenditure of the taxpayer dollar
and is not directed towards any
individual or any specific department of
the head or elected official.
It's hard to do anything
up next.
So just Mr.
funding
this certain modification in need. Do
you want to make any changes to the
recover policy at this point or is that
something you guys are going to think
about another day?
>> Well, I thought perhaps I wasn't clear,
but I requested the different department
heads to sit down and take a look at
what's printed here and see if there's
some viable options that they're capable
of working with. and that we can sit
down again and address them and
commissioners can
use that as a working model to see what
we can adopt and move forward.
>> Okay. So that'll be a different
discussion than today.
>> Correct.
>> Okay. Just thank you for that
clarification.
>> Okay. Welcome. Thank you. And is that
something that
the department has comfortable with two
weeks or do you need a month?
» Two weeks for two weeks.
And we're now
shar two weeks, four weeks, two weeks.
Thank you.
Again, next meeting.
Thank you.
Yes.
Um
up next is Malinkovich
for county commissioners bylaw
resolution.
>> I just have the resolution here to sign.
>> Anything else in addition to that?
>> That's all I got.
>> Yeah, I have an executive
session requested.
165.
» So, are you guys going to sign that
resolution before you executive session
or you do that after
this?
>> To approve the bylaws. Now you just get
a vote to approve the resolution and
then sign the resolution and that
resolution gets recorded uh in the
it gets recorded as part of the county
record as a resolution.
Is there a resolution number or is that
>> Yes, it's in the top.
Motion to approve resolution 25-1000519B
adoption of board of county commissioner
meeting votes.
>> Second
special action of county commission
meeting.
Is there any discussion?
All in favor?
Any opposed? I [clears throat]
in favor one opposed.
Four in favor, one oppos.
» Your new rules say you do.
>> I think that's what I'm saying.
It hasn't passed yet. So, I'm not saying
it has passed.
I tell you what, trouble's coming.
made a motion to go into executive
session 26
45
second
or nine. Did you say Roman at three or
did you say Robin at nine?
>> Three. You should say nine. Okay,
correction
» otherwise conf
» Okay.
>> Less less than 10 minutes.
>> Okay.
>> Probably less than five. Okay.
A few minutes, please.
up next.
Uh
please
» Oh, yeah.
to the chair if he called me. So,
we just stepped outside. Do you want me
to go get them? Is that who you're
speaking about?
>> I think Amaya or they question.
>> Well, you've also got public health. So,
if you wanted to because I think Jan I
think Jan is trying to get back to the
clinic.
>> She should.
[laughter]
» Sorry. from the gallery visiting the
rules. I apologize there
following the agenda.
[laughter]
>> Thank you.
» I thank you for letting us come. I have
a few updates that I wanted to go
through with you. I wanted to um
let some of my staff do the bulk of it.
So, you want to start? Sure. Okay. We'll
start with gambling.
Yeah. I'm Becky Crow. I work in suicide
and substance abuse prevention. I also
work where we get uh gambling funds. Um
the county does and that's what we're
bringing to you today that hopefully
you'll approve to receive these funds
into the county. Um, and thankfully
that's mostly when you see me it's about
approving funds that are convenient. And
so thank you for support of prevention
with this problem gambling. I did want
to give you a little information about
problem gambling in Wyoming and it's
increasing as the gaming industry
expands more and more into Wyoming. And
of course, they have to pay funds to
each county to try to offset the
consequences of problem handling. So,
here's a little information on that. Um,
our youth are at higher risk and I guess
that's hopefully a live and learn
moments for our youth, but also it can
turn into long-term problems. But it's
about almost to it's 29% for young men
and 26 per percent for young women 18 to
29 have reported in Wyoming reported two
or more gambling related problems. Um
problem gamblers do think have a higher
risk of suicidality
and individuals with a gambling disorder
face 15 times higher suicide mortality
than the general population. Um, but
problem gambling is preventable and
treatable and that's what we use these
funds for. In the past, I've used them
to uh create our prevention website, but
also to add um gambl problem gambling
information on there, resources
available to folks. Also, I put out uh
weekly almost social media information,
not always about problem gambling, but
all things prevention that goes out into
the community.
The funds have been used to train people
um in trauma-informed coaching that
includes financial responsibility and uh
so that's an impact. Hopefully, the
coaching impacts uh problem gambling as
well. And then just a few weeks ago, we
trained all middle school students a big
penny and financial mismanagement. That
includes uh problem gambling and we tied
it into suicide prevention as well. But
that's where these funds have been
spent. So um just encourage you to
continue to let us uh procure these
funds and use them in the calendar.
So when you say we talk, are you talking
about yourself or?
>> Yes. And I also for the middle school
students, I brought in someone from the
uh Prosper team we've been working with
for the past two years. We have them for
another year. They're through the
governor's initiative. Uh this
[clears throat] team is one of like a
hundred in the whole world that study
suicide and we've been fortunate to have
them in Sublet County for the past two
years. have been able to offer a lot of
trainings. This is one that we work
together on to tailor to our middle
school students because um we think it
is in our young people. That's where
we're hoping to see some changes um in a lot of things problem areas we have
in the county. But that's uh um yes, it
was a part of that along with praying
and the prosper.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome. You're welcome. And that
training was well received. Those kids
when these kids have been through a lot
and they like to have the opportunity to
share their experiences, but sixth,
seventh, and eighth grade and every hand
is raised that they've lost somebody to
suicide in big piny schools and that's
that just makes that's just shocking to
me that that our what our young people
are going through and we hope to bring
more things into the county as we can
because I can find more grant funs to
bring in the health votes as well. Um,
one other thing I'll mention briefly is
there was a survey I think sent to you
from the um the director of the Wyoming
County Commissioners Association. A
survey went out from Wyoming Department
of Health about as long as some
reporting on prevention in general at a
state level. Um, I do have have it in
print, but you should have gotten an
email And I'd love for you to look at
those reports. I do get you a county
report on a yearly basis on what the
work we've been doing on prevention. But
if this also has a survey that you can
complete to see what you would like to
if you would take the time to that would
help us and how to at the state level it
would help them to create those uh
reports you would like to see.
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» So, I have a letter of support. If
you're willing to sign that, we would
receive an additional $5,79520
next year under the gambling fund.
And I move to approve
[clears throat] the extra money.
Second motion and second release 5,000
$795.20
from the gambling fund.
Motion second. Any discussion?
All in favor?
Any oppose?
I have a question.
>> Commissioner
open it up for discussion.
>> Question now that we've approved it.
» It's okay. Go ahead. [laughter]
No,
it shows my inability I guess to pronounce a word
and so what is that word just I look at
it and say suicidality or something like
that what does that actually mean
>> higher risk of by suicide
>> why is it just suicide
okay That's all if you got
>> the other thing
>> I don't have one
>> commenting
the legislature
which eliminates
for gambling
the legislature
I think all of that
>> well I know I
bit of it like most of the bars and
[clears throat] I'm speaking of suffix
county have a what they call queen of
hearts I think what it is or susp
whatever and so you buy a chance and
they got all the cards up on most folks
are committing it seems you got all the
cards on the floor he's not familiar
with
[laughter]
>> so the deal is you play.
So the deal is they've got this
deck of cards and you buy a chance to
pull one and if it's a queen of hearts
and a whatever that is,
turn that card over and if you happen to
want it the right one, you win whatever.
But some of these stations go on and go on and they determine that
the gaming commission doesn't seem to be
getting anything out of it because the
bars are keeping the profits that are
derived from it. So therefore, let's
just eliminate it. And so that's what
they found. And I don't part that reach.
I'm sure there's other things out there.
No, I think the sports betting and all
the online stuff is probably exploding
right now as far as
>> Yeah, I'll just speak to that a minute.
I'm not sure how they can enforce that
change, but it is um it it is an online
gambling is expand it is rapidly uh
becoming addictive to many of our
seniors. You know, you can do it on your
phone and you see ads all the time. if
you're short on money, just download
this app and and you'll win all this
money, which we all know it's not how it
works. But it it's highly trying to they
really do a lot of marketing to try to
draw people in at that level. But where
we've seen problems in life is people
like losing their life savings. Like
they just keep betting and betting and
betting till everything's gone. And then
that's where it becomes a community
problem because you have people who who
are without resources.
That's that. And then as Jan mentioned,
the the sports gambling that happens
real time during games and things that
um people can bet on and it's easy to
get caught up in spend more than you had
to lose.
Thank you. Okay. Then I want to
introduce our new public health response
coordinator, Nadia Gen.
Started with us full time at the end of
last month and she's going to give you a
little update on our AED project.
>> Hello, it's nice to meet you guys. I'm
Nadia Gibin. um used to work patrol for
the sheriff's office. So I understand
the oil change issue.
Um Janet had done this great started
this great project with a first aid kits
that I try to help uh take over as well.
um thank you for the support from the
county commissioners to supply the AEDs
and first aid kits and we were able to
put them in 12 different county uh
buildings. And then um we also partnered
with emergency medical director DJ Mary
um and he provided a training for 30
employees on first state and life saving
basics and they're the employees that
are going to be uh point of contact or
in their and locally located in these
different buildings as well. so they'll
understand how to use the equipment. And
then um since they are accessible to the
public, I also wrote an form of
informative article for the Pineell
Roundup which will be posted in there um
their next article for their next
edition and I also sent it to the
Western Region Healthcare Coalition
which encompasses Sweetwater Sublet and
Teton County and just let them know the
project that we have been doing here in
our county. Um, and so in the
informative article I wrote for the Pine
Doll Roundup, I just addressed some
concerns that people um may have when it
comes to AEDs.
Um, so BJ Mary brought up a great point
like one of the biggest things is people
are concerned if they use an AED it may
harm somebody. So they don't even want
to use it um themselves. And I wrote in
the article, ADS, they are regulated by
the FDA. um those few minutes before
emergency help arrives, an AD can save a
life during those few minutes. Um when
you turn on an A, it'll clear clearly
tell you what to do once it turns on.
And then dispatch, they're also trained
to help cover um over the phone how to
do CPR, guiding the use of an AE,
administering NR can for opioid use or
other life- saving measures. And I did
double check with dispatch too that they
aren't able to do all of that over the
phone as well. And then um another
concern people have is if they interfere
that mean there's any a potential chance
for a lawsuit. So I also wrote in there
that Wyoming has a good Samaritan law. I
also had sent this and just made sure to
clarify with Clayton as well that um the
article was okay and I just quoted the
um statute book directly what the goods
maritime law states which is persons
rendering emergency assistance exempt
from civil liability any person licensed
as a physician and surgeon under law
with the state of Wyoming or any other
person who in good faith renders
emergency care or assistance without
compensation at the place of an
emergency or accident is not liable.
for any civil damages for acts or
emissions in good faith. So hopefully
that will address any fears people have
with potentially using the AED or
equipment as well. And then um the
public health department we're also
maintaining the equipment by replacing
expired VAS um pads and batteries. And
then um there's a point of contact for
each um AED and first aid cabinet. And
they're supposed to do monthly checks on
the AEDs as well. And then we check back
to make sure that those are getting
done. And then in November, a technician
will come out to test the AEDs to make
sure that they are working properly as
well. Um, and then what is inside the
AEDs and first aid kits is um Jenna was
smart. She um decided to use the same
AEDs as what our emergency services use.
So hopefully when they come, they won't
switch them out. They can still use the
exact same machine. BJ let us know that
they probably will just out of uh habit.
They'll probably place their own ones
on, but that's okay, too. Um, and then
the first aid cabinets, they contain uh
first aid kits, a stop with lead kit,
which has like a tourniquet, wound
compression, gauze, etc. a lifeback kit,
which is good for um like suctioning.
Like say for example, you can't do CPR
because it's a very large person, you
can't get your arms around them, you
could use something like a life back kit
to try and dislodge whatever is um
obstructing their throat. Um and then
also Narcan for any um opioid overdoses
as well. And then I also in the news
article for the roundup, I listed the
next upcoming CPR trainings and the next
one that's coming up is occurring at the
pack. And then the locations that they
are in are um circuit court, county
courthouse, road bridge, fairgrounds,
golf course, ice ring, both libraries,
both public health offices, Ronda View
Point Senior Center and the Southwest
Sublet Pioneer Senior Center in
Marbleton. And thanks again for um
supporting the project. I think it'll be
really beneficial for the county in case
anybody has an emergency and it's
accessible for the public to use as
well. So, thank you.
Do you have any questions from
>> Thank you.
» So, I think we're that project's pretty
well out the door and we had really good
turnout. So, thanks for your support on
that one. Okay, other updates I wanted
to let you know about. Um, the nurse I
had hired full-time resigned at the
beginning of this month. So, I um
need to request that we can fill that
full-time position. It is I'll remind
you it's a full-time state nurse
position. So, 65% of that position is
paid for by the state and 35% from the
county. So, no change really, but um but
we would be opening up that job again.
Um,
the other thing I wanted to update you
on is we have I have talked several
years about trying to get a women's
health project up and running. I found a
nurse practitioner, Stephanie Claudio,
that is um, willing to work one day a
week. She's Bob Claudianos from the fire
department, his wife, and she's done
women's health in the past. She works in
Jackson also, but we would be looking to
try to start that planning one day a
month doing women's health exams, apps,
tests, um just wellness ex wellness
exams mostly for people that are
uninsured and underinsured.
So, um I you guys had allowed a $12,000
line that I haven't spent any money out
of this year, but I just wanted to make
sure that we were good to go moving
forward as I work with Clayton and to
try to to get a nurse practitioner under
contract that we can start working
through all the pieces to try to get
that clinic up and running one day and
Monday.
and
I'll bring more of that to you at at um
budget time. But yeah, I really haven't
been able we haven't been able to build
and really prove that program yet and I
appreciate your support when we're here
to let us help it transit off the
ground.
Um
our last item is back to building
discussion for public
in regards to building public health. Um
what's your search going?
You want to give me the authority? I'll
do it. [laughter]
>> Tell me how much money we got.
look at several different options. Of
course, the different payments that are
available coming up uh too small,
etc. Um we're not under contract with
anyone at this point in time.
There are a couple of abilities that
have come
available in the recent
past couple weeks. I think
And if we continue to look at the
different options and when we got up
last week that
I think we're going a certain direction
and then you throw a curve at us so we
have to stop and get um I believe that
you brought up
half or
half of the town hall.
So, first I wondered if we got any
resolution on proactive building that
>> I'm just looking at.
>> No, I know I I know we never explored. I
know the hospital district threw that
out there that that the town might be
willing to lease half the building, but
obviously if they could have a permanent
location that's counting on that be
preference, but that's why I threw it
out there. It's just like nothing we
really explored. We we have an offer on
the table with you know that we'll
address in the next couple of weeks
to inter
what is
with that re Pinedale
talk about longevity or tenure
having the clinic there and you take a
look at prices today versus these We
could probably come up with something
longterm lease that's put which is there
10 20 years
a large cash all the way at the
beginning.
>> Okay. So, are you asking
like myself or me and Janess to go start
conversations
um or ask them to come to the table?
Take a look at if it um
gives you the space and
features that you need and the price of
it.
if that's something that is an option
that we get involved with other
properties
and it may not but we don't know
but I think they have that one ring over
there when they had one tenant that
» I know
[laughter]
that except
We're not sure what direction we're
going with
existing proposal at this point.
I think we're getting close to kind of
the resolution that makes sense and we
want to make sure that we're not keeping
ourselves saying
this also
next meeting
in
Absolutely.
» Yes.
Proactive
emails this morning. Okay. There is
correspondence in that regard for
proactive this morning.
Not a position to discuss it today
because we haven't been through
identify the different uh
pros and cons of that
comes with some advice. Keep that set
aside.
» Okay.
through right now. That's the question.
Okay. Thank you.
And anything else for you?
» Um,
okay. Scan
the Cambridge powers.
We have Christie
first as well.
>> Yep. Christy, I am the nut membership
coordinator for South County Chamber of
Commerce. Thank you guys for giving us
this time. A little taller than
[clears throat]
um so we're here today to talk about a
problem that we're seeing in our
community and how we are hoping to
address it. how we're hoping to get your
support. Um, so keeping Wyoming talent
in Wyoming, it's a strategic overload of
workforce retention and economic
development and what the chamber is
doing about it. So the problem that we
are seeing is that we are losing a lot
of our own people. Wyoming has a talent
retention crisis. We raise and educate
our young people and watch them leave in
their place. We import workers from out
ofstate and fill the jobs our own
residents could hold. The cycle drains
local wealth, weakens community ties,
and makes long-term economic growth
harder to sustain. Um, and then I have
some pretty like large statistics. And
then your last page is where those
statistics are from just because they
are large. So, I just wanted to make
sure you can go look for yourself if you
have any questions about them. So 60% of
Wyoming born residents leave before
their 30s. That's the highest rate in
the nation. Um two times the national
average how migrate rate which is young
adults leave Wyoming at twice the rate
as other states
and 66%
of UW graduates re relocate after
earning their degrees. More than
twothirds of the University of Wyoming
students surveyed said for their future
in Wyoming was a maybe or a no. For
every one new Wyoming resident gained,
five people were needed to compensate
for those leaving. And the majority
leaving are between 25 and 34, which is,
you know, your main workforce.
Um, Sublet County median age is 43.5.
Uh that is the highest in Wyoming and
above the median average of 38.9
um in the nation. The county's
population has declined 13% since 2010
and now sits at approximately 8,900
people. And I mean I'm sure some of that
is just movement with, you know, oil
companies or whatever, but that is a
large statistic of people who have moved
out since 2010. The 25 to 34 age group,
the very workers businesses need most,
represent one of the smallest population
segments in our county. Without
intervention, this trend accelerates as
older residents retire and fewer young
people remain to replace them. The cycle
we're stuck in. Young people living
leaving, jobs go unfilled, out of state
workers arrive,
local economy stagnates, and it repeats.
Um, and I've talked to a lot of people.
I There's a thought process here of that
everyone wants their kids to go. I have
kids. My oldest is 19 and then I have a
17-year-old and I don't want them to go.
I want them to stay. I think it's
important to see what's outside of where
you're from, but I think a lot of times
the grass is, you know, looks a lot
greener. Um, and there's a lot of
opportunities right here in Wyoming. And
I think that we are underelling
ourselves. Wyoming is built
for it's it's like it's on a growth
trend. Wyoming is not a hard cell. The
conditions for a strong locally rooted
econ economy already exist. What's
missing is the connection between our
young people and the opportunities that
are right here. Um in Wyoming is the
number one entrepreneur state in the
United States. 98.9%
of Wyoming businesses are small
businesses. There's 3,400ish
jobs that will be opening that opened up
in 20 2023 and 2024. Um, state income
tax and corporate tax are zero. Wyoming
is open for business. Highest
entrepreneurship entrepreneurship rate
in the nation. No personal or corporate
income tax. 120% increase in business
applications in 2019 to 2022
and 65% of Wyoming workers are employed
by small businesses. More than two job
openings for every unemployed person in
Wyoming.
But survival without support is hard.
20% of small businesses fall in the
first year and 50% of small businesses
close by 5 years. The lack of business
knowledge is a leading cause for this
failure. Rural communities face added
challenges. Fewer mentors and less
access to capital. Without a local
workforce pipeline, growth starts to
stall.
The chamber's role in breaking the
cycle. Sublet County Chamber of Commerce
is taking direct action on both ends of
this challenge. By connecting high
school students to local careers before
they leave and equipping adults with the
skills to build and sustain local
businesses, we are investing in
Wyoming's growing economy. One that
creates real reasons for our people to
stay, build careers, and raise their
families here. We have a jumpart program
um and that is actually starting
tomorrow. Uh it's for adult
entrepreneurship program. It's a free
8-week course held at Subletis covering
the essentials of starting and running a
small business. It's designed for adults
at any stage, whether they have a new
idea or an existing business that they
want to strengthen. It's a six-part
class series covering key small business
topics. Um, graduates compete for seed
funding. So, if you attend all of the
classes, uh, there is a competition at
the end. you get to present your idea
and your business um plan and the winner
receives $5,000 and second place is 2500
and there's several businesses around
town that have competed in this program
in the past and are still here um Cathy
on board um Faser
and who's the other one that me oh um
local books she does our shows does our
books but um and then we have a quote
here from Aaron and he completed the
jump start class. The jump start class
was the best thing my partner and I did
when starting our company. It helped us
build our business plan, get organized,
secure funding, and establish our LLC. I
would recommend it to anyone thinking of
starting a business and I would love to
see it continue so others are afforded
the same opportunity. Um, and the other
program we're running is called
Pathways. It's a youth workforce and
career exploration program and it's for
high school students in Sublet County.
Students complete a work preparedness
class at Sublet Boseis. Um and this just
teach them how to write a resume, how to
answer a phone, like etiquette, um
business etiquette, how to dress
professionally. Um and then they are
paired with a paid summer internship in
a field they are most interested in. The
goal is to show Sublet County students
that there are careers they want that
exist right here at home. Internship
opportunities across local trades and
industries, healthc care, energy,
welding, mechanics, and more. Um, we
have two that we've worked with the
hospital. So there will be one
internship in radiology and one in
nursing, which I mean that's great
opportunities for kids that are going to
stay, but possibly just to have that
opportunity to see if that's really
something they want to invest in before
they start college. Um the blue spruce
dry pine helium plant, we're we are in
the process of talking to them, seeing
if we can get some kids out there. Uh
the chamber covers 40% of the internship
wages so that businesses of any size can
participate. Employers provide a job
description and set a clear expectation
for students. And it's a 60-hour paid
summer internship. Um and so it's $600
and we pay 40 of that.
An invitation to invest in something
bigger. The Subwlet County Chamber of
Commerce is not just running programs.
We are building a vision. a a subwo
county where our young people see a
future here. Where locals start
businesses, fill jobs, and raise their
families in a community they grew up in.
Where economic growth is driven by the
people who belong here, not by an
endless cycle of importing
talent from somewhere else. This vision
is being driven by a volunteer board
that gives thousands of hours, not
because they have to, but because they
believe in Sublet County. We are asking
the board of county commissioners to
share in that belief and become a
partner in building it. We currently
offer all chamber programs free so they
are accessible to everyone in our
community and that means these programs
depend entirely on sponsorships to
exist. Without continued support, we
will not be able to keep them free
forever. County investment directly
funds this work on behalf of our
constituents and helps us keep this
promise. So to run pathways um would be
for 20 internships
that would be $5,000 and that would be
us paying the 40% of the 600.
And um and none of the money that we get
for these sponsorship goes to
administration. Um I mean I'm the only
employee but it my wages are paid
through membership. So this all just
stays within the program. it's not
being, you know, partially branched out
to pay administration's fee. And then we
actually do have um funding for
Jumpstart this year through BOSEIS. Um
but we still need $2,000 for that
program. And that is to cover because
next year we've applied for the grant
again through Boseies and we had to drop
it by 20%. That was just the ask of
going back into that grant. So we will
be losing money next year for that
program. Um the chamber does one thing
exceptionally well and that's promotion.
So if you decide to be a part of this
program, we will make sure and
let everyone know in every forum that we
have whether it's a flyer social media
post um having you I am on one of the
midday shows on the radio station having
you guys on the midday show to talk
about your contribution.
um we would make sure that everyone knew
that the commissioners supported and
funded this program because it's not
really a it's not really a donation.
It's a demonstration of leadership. So
the public county chamber of commerce
believes the strongest Wyoming economy
is one built by Wyoming people.
Jumpstart and pathways are our
commitment to this vision, creating the
conditions for our residents to build
careers, open businesses, and invest
their future right here at home.
Do you have any questions?
» I'd like I'd like to make comment.
>> Okay.
>> So,
we're here survival without supporting
about 20% fail in first year, 50%.
So, I've been around here quite a while.
Sometimes I take too long,
but I've watched
a lot of small businesses start up.
And usually the ones that make it
are the ones who know they have to do
the work, not hire somebody to go do it
for them. And and I think that's true in
any small business because if you're the
only one that's invested in them, you're
going to work harder to cut costs
wherever you can. The skills perform so
to speak. And so
I I think that needs to be where you're
putting on these
classes.
That needs in my mind that's number one
problem because if you're out there and
you say, "Well, we're gonna we're gonna
start up this business, but we got to
have two or three people to help us."
That's the first big drag on what you're
trying to do. In my opinion, I agree
with you.
>> I've watched it happen in some of the
counties on both ends of the county,
time after time.
Mom and pop will get together say,
"Yeah, we've been doing this and all of
a sudden, well, we got to have the kids.
We got out of this and that." very soon
the two men or two person operation
is five or six and it just can't sustain
it. So it takes a while to generate what
you've got to do to make it viable. But
that to me that's very important to be
able to start and go
and today
it's just worse than it would have been.
I had said that [laughter]
but but in reality
that's the thing I've seen.
>> I agree with you and I think no one's
ever going to care about your business
the way that you do. So, you know, if
you're not going to invest in it, nobody
else is going to either.
» Fantastic.
You were you and me or me?
» Absolutely. Especially drafted by you.
>> Yeah. So, you know, I don't the end of
the day for them, but I tell you what
to come in.
They're not suspect.
my way.
>> I appreciate that. Thank you.
» Anyone else?
>> Questions, comments?
>> Well, I really appreciate you giving us
this time and you know, I hope that you
decide to invest in us because we are
definitely here to invest in our
community. Thank you.
Is that page?
» I forgot in case public showed up and
needed handouts as well from the ones
that are attached. Um, good afternoon,
Chairman Bernard and commissioners.
Thank you for the time and opportunity
to speak. I'm Sage Price. I um I serve
as the Salt Lake County Chamber of
Commerce President. Um
I
thank you for putting us on the agenda
today. Um I just wanted to as the
petition for the um proposed 1%
um tax sales tax increase. Um I wanted
to give the public the opportunity to
speak with the officials. We've had town
council meetings both in Pinedell and
over here in um in Marvelton. And so I
just wanted to give if any of the public
wanted to speak or anyone had concerns
um that they would be able to bring them
to those who are going to be making the
decisions and spending the money if um
if it comes gets onto the petition or
onto the ballot and then voted in. So,
um I've attached some handouts that just
kind of overview of it. Again, a sales
um tax chart that shows what other
counties in the state are paying. Um so,
I don't know if we want to kind of do a
quick overview or if we just want to
jump into questions
if there are any.
ask questions or are we asking
>> both if you if you have questions again
a lot of it um but the attachments one
attachment was the um handout that you
all provided at the meeting um when it
was sent to a petition and then um an
overview just kind of that has been put
together of what the fifth penny is and
then the sales tax chart for the state
as well as um the town of Pindel
provided kind of where the spending
power is where from 2016 until 2026 and
showing that the the town of Pineell's
spending power has decreased. So
» Commissioner Brad question for you
please fishing that was going around
were you guys the sponsor of that or
what's the story about fishing? I
haven't seen or heard anything on a
thing.
>> So, we we do because the chamber is a
501c6,
we have instead of a lot of um
nonprofits or 501c3s
and because of our 501c6
business designation, we have a
representing interest of the local
businesses and community that affect the
broader economic um impact. So the
chamber is one of the only organizations
that can um put out the petition and um
hold meetings about it. So
>> So to begin with, I saw around a few
places.
>> Yep. It's still it's still in the same
Yep. It's they're still in the same
places. So there's one at um Kindle Town
Hall. I personally have one on me at all
times. There's one over at the rec
center in um over here in Big Piney.
There's one at Big [clears throat] Penny
Town Hall as well.
>> We're over we're over half.
It has to be done by the end of April to
get onto the ballot for August 19th. And
so just and we have not set up like a
Ridleys or anything like that. We've
kind of tried to not be super invasive
with it, but we do have over half the
signatures.
» What's the feedback that you're
typically receiving in regards to
>> um a lot of the questions are
with the industrial impact funding
coming in, why the residents should bear
the cost of it um with the increased
funding. And so explaining that that is
from Cheyenne that if we are to receive
the impact funding from the Blue Spruce
project that there has to be the fifth
penny enacted that that's not something
that the commissioners came up with.
That's not something that the town
councils came up with. It's not
something that the public came up with.
That is the the
stipulation to receive the funding out
of Cheyenne. And so we're just letting
the public know that if we want to
receive this impact funding that it has
to be the fifth penny has to be enacted.
Um, one of the big questions is what
happens if the large project changes or
does not fully materialize. And so I
guess that's one question from you all
is what if the impact funding if the
fifth penny is passed and for some
reason the blue spruce project does not
go through what happens with that impact
funding awarded from the state.
I don't believe there's any correlation
the 1% tax
fighting portion and the additional
pending tax independent of each other
the project fails 1% continues until the
next until the four years of being
>> so what happens if the um the impact
funding is awarded over 20 payments over
three years is that correct
>> right
>> so what happens if halfway through
something happens with the project. What
happens to the impact funds?
>> I would presume that there's a
project funding money
that um
with what you find CL
Mr. Chairman. Yes. So that is my
understanding is that if the project if
construction on the project were to
cease then the funding would also cease
in that circumstance. Correct. However,
it is DQ's uh uh position or
yeah position that that is a very low
risk that projects of this scale
generally do not stop
and the addition of one%
>> would continue for the four years. So,
um, that's another
>> question is the or another statement
that we've been hearing a lot is it
starts with 5% and then pretty soon it's
six or 7%. And um really the
understanding that it there is a sunset
clause in
the initiative or with the fifth penny
that it does it lasts for four years and
after that it has to go back on and be
voted by the citizens again. It doesn't roll over. So
>> renewal had nothing to do with any
additional percentage of taxes. Those
would individual
valid initially.
>> And then the last one is um how do the
communities so big Piny um Marvelton the
county um Pinedell the town. How do you
if it's passed and there's an increase
of the sales tax,
if it does not pass again in four years,
how do you balance your budgets again
once you've had the money and then it
potentially goes away? How are you going
to balance your budgets and when?
>> Just your budget cutbacks
and take a look at the budget process
that I will be going through in the next
couple of months. that's in the money
decreases you go through and make sure
that
expenditures don't exceed your income
and if the income's greater than
expenditures if that makes sense
>> and then also the understanding that it
goes into the general fund and it cannot
be earmarked or anything like that. I
think that's been a big misconception.
Um, and so the funds do have to go into
a general fund. And from there, and
again, in the commissioner's handout
from the the meeting where it was sent
to the petition, it outlines what the
counties are looking at and what the
municipalities are looking at using it
for.
>> And you're talking about sighting money
or the what?
>> The sighting money.
>> Sure.
money was determined by individual
entities within the county establishing
overall
attributed to the different departments
and from with that they created their
own budget as far as what they were
that's coming.
» Does that answer your question?
>> It does. Yep. And that's and again this
is for kind of the public to be able to
ask questions as well and if if anyone
has and just to get the answers the
chamber of commerce is putting the
information out there but we're not
making the decisions where it's funding.
So we want to make sure that we're
giving those elected officials that are
making the decisions regarding the funds
um the chance to answer the questions
and have the discussions.
>> Are there any line online questions?
>> I don't see any hints.
>> Pardon me. I don't see any hands.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
>> Do any of you have any questions or
anything that I can answer?
>> Well, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to just
make a little comment.
So, here on the first presentation says
the opportunity is built for this
income tax or corporate tax.
Zero.
So, so that in itself
brings
companies into the state
and we're going to bump up
another py tax
with our significant contributors
our economy. We see it
the additional 1 cent may then step back
and say then maybe we need to address
something different so that when
so that the county passes this 20 cent
rather than us having five cents in the
county we may go someplace else.
So that's part of the way in my opinion.
The second thing is I talked around I've
known a lot of people time
invar
you put up penny tax
next thing you got to do on pennies
night. They don't believe it. They
involve projects
that unless this extra tax is on,
they don't get completed. And so you get
something started, you got to complete
it.
Good, bad, and different. Then fear
factors out there. Well, we've already
invested all this. We may as well do it
again. And so instead of in my opinion
in a year or two or in four years
for sense here we could conceivably we
look at six or maybe more
has a tendency
put me in a little about
a little bit.
It's it's
what they're what they're doing here. I
think what they and I'm not certain they
is okay. I think I I think and and quite
honestly as an individual I don't like
the idea of another sick here. Just so
you know that as a commissioner I can't
make a statement. So what it looks to me
like is we're doing the old maiden track
system here. You guys go ahead and
give us a scent the penny we get all
this money. Well, it's not always it's a
significant amount for here, here, here,
and here. But unless it's been changed
and here's the thing that really bothers
me
when we get so much money but we don't
get that so much money in one pot it's
over 20 months unless they change that
and I don't think that's
so you take an entity that says yeah
we're going to get a million dollars and
let's divide that by 20 how much There's
no stud,000
got a project put a million dollars
towards it, but now we can't because we
don't have that. So what do we do? Go to
the town
say, "Hey guys, we know we're going to
get it. Do you mind back?" So we get a
project going. Those are the kind of
things that made me a little bit
about something like this. I'd feel a
whole lot better if all that money
coming from the box and the entities
could say, "Oh yeah, we've got a town.
Let's use it where we want it to go."
But over time, unless you put it in a
specific account,
let it go that it's going to be used and
all of a sudden you say, "What help?"
Well, we did, but you know what? we had
to spend some years because that one
sent and less time
the information I don't think I have it
that's not tied into a specific writer
you can use it wherever you want and so
therein lies an issue
over 20 months a project that looks good
today may not look that good so why
don't we take that money that we've got
in six months still and move it over
Here's we complete a little story. We
didn't war. So the caveats to me
are buyer beware of that.
That's that's what I think we're getting
ourselves set up for. And
there's a lot of ways to make it look
good, but there's just as many not good.
And you take folks on fixed income.
That's not much. Well, if you've got a
$900 a month income, that penny over
time is a big decent.
>> It can be. Yes. And there's um there's
over 50 exemptions for it. Um it doesn't
it the it doesn't apply to
prescriptions, groceries, fuel, and
diesel or um fuel and gasoline. Um
there's over 50 exemptions that it
doesn't apply to for the taxpayers. So um and yes I I agree
that the the 20 payments over the three
years is it's the impact fund you you do
receive it but that is a risk that is out there
>> and
so I think correct me if I'm wrong
because I certainly could be but my
understanding what the project now has
not been started
>> I don't know about
I talked to him and they said it was
still on plan for me.
>> Yeah, but there was also a company that
called some quotes that said they they
don't have to do anything until 27. So
that said we do a year.
It's one of those things that could
become a show. Now you see it, now you
don't.
>> And so that's that's the scary part is
if you get a community into these things
and look around the state and see what
they're going to tell you. Yeah, we got
this. We thought it was okay. Now Park
County, put it out there and then they
took it back off and they'll put it
back. So there's reasons for that.
>> So it does happen and there's only two
counties in Wyoming that don't have it.
County and Park County. Um
>> I don't mind being on the table.
>> Yeah.
If that's what the voters want. Yeah.
>> Well, there will be those
going to get all people travel through
the community. All the the
folks who are going to stay there
overnight. They're going to spend spend. Well, they might for two or three
months,
but the other nine months been paid out
the bill.
We are all of us not not just us but
each individual and so
on
I don't think
personally making
[snorts]
>> so one thing that I've learned um in
doing the research and having the
meetings um is that of the 4% sales tax
right Now 69% of it goes back to the
state and with the with the additional
1% so the fifth penny 99% of it stays
within the county. So
takes a long time
to build up much over
20 months
for me as an individual and say that's a
great income. But when you're talking
about municipalities in the county,
you know,
you say, "Okay, we're going to start
this project, we know the money's
coming."
Then by the time you get up there, the
cost of living and everything else is
increased to the point where what you
thought.
So there we are.
There's a lot of pitfalls that even
we've got we've got company individuals
coming into this company because we
don't have that extra penny. And so in
my mind we pass this many people
argue.
Why are we slapping those folks in the
face that have supported us for years
and years under for now?
I know every every time you add
something something
has to go away. something has to decide
>> and and so I [clears throat] see this
you know some companies going to say
this is going to cost us another like 50
60,000 if it would be expanded and now
we're going to offset that well we're
going to take part of expression we're
going to take old Sam and his crew and
we're going to let them go because
that's about what it's costing us
letting them go so that's I didn't mean
you personally I just
But there's some there's also pitfalls
that look good.
>> Well, and that's why I think these
discussions are so important, being able
to ask those making the decisions on how
to spend the money and what what our
budgets really are. having those
discussions and being able to answer the
questions that the voters have
and have have the hard discussions about the money.
>> Yeah. Well, it is, you know,
governments, including this county
commission.
Always look at it as, well, if we get
this, we should be able to spend more. I
mean, that's what government does. They
take in money and they spend more than
what they can against people from the
government.
They're not designed to make a profit.
They're designed to help the citizenry.
make that happen by taxation.
You get too much of a tax base in the
city. Say, well, wait a minute.
That's all I'm seeing it happen.
I'm I'm through Mr. Chairman. Thank you
for patience. Good morning.
Uh is there anything else that um
» are there any other online
>> any online?
» No.
Thank you.
» Up next, we have
monthly reports.
Yeah, I got a motion to approve bond
genie for recreation. So directly
motion pass
comment
anyone
online any comments or questions
we sign or
» um I'm not sure probably.
Um you can go ahead and I don't know the
answer to that question.
I don't have another copy here.
>> [laughter]
[snorts]
» I presume that these are copies because
[laughter]
anything from Leila
online. Emily online.
Haley
online.
Okay. Got motility to approve three
alcoholic beverage sales committee. One
for the Eagle bar for
one for Boulder store,
one for the B store for skiing.
Okay, we have a motion on three. Sorry.
Discussion
bring up
Right,
Mr. Chairman. Uh, Clayton has an
agreement that I printed and handed him
to him this morning for the WW
scholarship agreement.
>> You didn't.
>> Thank you.
>> This is the agreement that we've been
talking about
since she was a child.
Anyway, this is the agreement that we've
been talking about for quite some time.
Um, we had sent a version of this to the
University of Wyoming and we never got
it back signed and then they talked
about some issues they had with the
language that we had in it. So, we've
been trying to amend this for a very
long time, but essentially this is the
one where we lowered the GPA to get that
funding that we had already sent to the
University of Wyoming to be able to be
used by more students.
So, Clayton has reviewed it and if you
guys are willing to sign that, we will
get that one under our belt.
what Sam's looking at.
>> That's what Sam's looking
qualifications.
>> It was to re reduce them to get that. We
had sent $25,000
a number of years ago and I can't tell
you now that we're this far into the
game how much it's left, but they were
not getting that distributed as quickly
as you had hoped. And so we decided to
lower that to the same agreement that we
had with the other schools that you're
funding on an invoicing basis.
And while you guys review that, I got
you your your this year's Sublet County
School District number one and nine
applicants for the UWS scholarship.
That's the one that you can award three
scholarships
and across the entire county and we will
have that on the agenda for the April
7th meeting. So, you've got some time to
look at that. There was an additional
one that came and I'll use air quotes
for those who can't see came late. It
was postmarked timely, but it was after
I had prepared your packets. So there was one more from SL County School
District number one that we received
that was added later. So be sure to
include that. It was in a separate
envelope. You have any questions about
that, let me know.
>> Vaness on that.
Is that three new one renewal? one
renewal and I have the renewals the
applications the renewal applications
are due to me on March 30th. So you'll
select that renewal at a later date and
those students who received it last year
have all been notified that they are
eligible to apply again. But only one of
those three that you awarded last year
is eligible for gruel.
>> And do we pick three and one alternate?
>> You do pick three and one alternate on
April 7th.
And if they don't qualify or have it
selected
university,
» you could
offer it to a student and then if they
don't qualify the alternate could come
in. We won't notify the alternate in
advance that they've been selected as an
alternate. We'll only notify if they
become and you could select more than
one alternate. For instance, if you
chose two out of three students who
hadn't selected their school or hadn't
um notified you in their letters at
least that they had selected a Wyoming
school and then they you later found out
that they didn't select a Wyoming
school, you could have a couple of
alternates that you then fall back on.
>> Is this funding state? Sorry. It is it
is managed by the University of Wyoming
or any um
community college or university. And I
specifically asked cuz one of the
questions that you'll see in your packet
was about someone who was going for a a
specific course word to one of the
colleges. And I asked if that was
acceptable and they said as long as
they're a full-time student at at one of
those colleges. So you have that listed.
You have that email in your pocket that
shows which schools are eligible.
» Motion to approve this.
>> I make a motion to approve the
University of Wyoming Foundation
scholarship agreement selection
questions in this regard.
Um all in favor
motion pass. Thank you. Could I ask
question?
» Yeah. What scholarship question
would have anything to do? Are we having
a vote on this? Is no. Okay. Great.
Thank you.
Is there a reason
that this commission cannot decide their
own scholarship funding? Is there a law
against that?
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky,
the issue in the past when we did have
our own design was that the board was
not basing it on financial need.
In the last body of the board, it was
decided that you guys didn't want to be
looking at financial information.
Perhaps that's changed now and that
could be a topic of discussion.
But the only way you can award county
tax dollars is for financial need.
Therefore, you would need to be
reviewing people's financial
information. And that's the reason that
the prior board of county commissioners
decided we would rather the institutions
themselves review that through the FAFSA
and then notify us of qualifying
students. That way, you're not looking
at your neighbors
income information. Thanks.
>> Well, the reason I asked kind of
question because
for whatever reason
for the last however many years,
» it's not mandated how many you award to
any school district. only mandated that
you only award three inside the county
boundaries. So you can and have in the
past switched it to and one. Sometimes
you've just wasted on the applications
themselves without regard to which
school district they are in.
Theoretically we have three high
schools. We have Skyline Find a High
School and Big Piney High School.
Skyline. If there are any applicants, I can't tell you the answer to this, but
if there are any applicants from
Skyline, they would be in the school
district number one packet that you
received. But should you want to
equally diversify it by high school, you
could one and one.
>> Well,
I listen to the package last night till
they tell one:00.
>> Oh, no. Did you think it was today?
I was thinking it was for today when I
looked at those because I know all those
kids. I know their family background.
I'm thinking, you know,
if there was a way
the county could do it if it's on a
financial need, there's probably what I
read, what I know, probably half a dozen
those kids. Some of them are going to
have scholarships. They don't know how
to spend it all
and their family take care of any of it.
I'd like to be able to
do it based on financial need.
It'd be pretty easy for me to pick two
or three for their school.
>> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky. Um, as
long as they're going to a Wyoming
college, you sort of do that. So, we
have advised all of the colleges in
Wyoming that, you know, in past budget
years, of course, it's up for discussion
each budget year, but that you have
funded a line item for scholarships and
that they can review their enrollment
based on the student has to have
graduated within the last five years
from a sublet county high school. They
have to maintain full-time enrollment.
They have to have, I think, a 2.5 GPA.
And I think that's it. And if they have
students that meet those criteria and
also meet the financial eligibility
requirement, then they invoice us and we
send a payment to that school for them.
So you aren't making that decision, but
it is occurring
as long as you find that in your budget.
>> Well, it's always it's always, you know,
we talk about we just heard that
discussion here today about keeping the
youth dear,
etc., etc.
And
if we can't invest in the youth
and we're going to spend millions and
millions of dollars on stuff, okay?
And we're looking at not very much
compared to sold to send some of these
kids
out there
seem like a great investment.
Whereas some of the other stuff we do
very
» So there's two different scholarships
we're talking about, right? So one
commissioner that's the state requires
us to do.
>> So in theory like what Janess said,
every one of those kids that that are on
that list, every one of them can still
get a scholarship from us. They just
have to apply through one of the Wyoming
schools. we already fund that school so
they can get so everybody on that list
in theory can go to University of
Wyoming and or any other nonprofit
school within the state of Wyoming and
get funding from us that we fund at
every budget here. So they can also get
a a a scholarship from us and we're
already still
um financing that line item like Janess
said they'll still have that
opportunity.
word is not making the decision. We we
made the decision that every one of them
can get a scholarship. You just have to
go to to one of the colleges within the
state of Wyoming and you have to apply.
Does that make sense?
>> Well, that that makes sense. But I I
I'll tell you what. I'll bet you I'll
bet you most of the kids that applied
for this scholarship
don't understand that.
>> Mr. We tried to tried to do a lot of
education with the schools and on that
domestic and talk to them and make sure
that we are telling these guidance
counselors that this is an option. This
is way we funded it. This is how we're
doing it. Please apply.
>> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White, that
is absolutely correct. The difficulty is
they're applying for scholarships right
now, but you have not yet funded next
year's budget. So there's this time
frame in which I can't with assurityity
say the commissioners have funded this
budget line item tell your students to
go to their financial aid department and
school when they start because I don't
know that you're going to fund that
budget line item. And one more point of
clarification, Mr. Chairman, is that
this is not this does not what you'll be
deciding next week or next meeting does
not have any financial requirement. This
is whatever you your determining factors
are
according to statute. You know there are some statutory requirements.
>> So I think that correct me if I'm wrong.
So there's going to be a budget
transfer.
We do it for everything else.
>> Well, we already have a lot of money in
that. I I want to say we funded that
budget line item at about $45,000 for
this fiscal year and we I know we've
paid some to Casper College because they were the
ones who initially didn't do it but they
have
I can't tell you for sure which
organizations have contacted us and said
yes we have students that meet these
qualifications but it has been used
during this fiscal year by students.
There's still quite a bit left in that
budget. Why not?
>> If you wanted to, as we say, carry it
over to the next year, but but there's
been some issue with carryovers, too.
So, but yes, there is you could
theoretically not add any to
um the required mill levy because it
would still be in our cash available and
we could do it at the amount that's
remaining at the end of this year if you
wanted to do that. And then that
document that we missed on with the
partnership is we we said, "Hey,
University of Wyoming, you're not we we
don't feel like all our kids are having
access to that. We want to drop the
requirements that we put on it before
downloaded on GPA so more of some of our
current kids can have access to that. So
we just signed another document
encouraging more kids to be eligible for
that
reason that
makes no sense but
like say those things I think
there was three or four or five kids in
Pineville and for sure two or three down
here in my mind some of the backgrounds
and knowing the kids,
they're going to go to work if they have
that extra little bit of opportunity. At
least that's my take on it. No, I agree
with you. I think it it sucks that we
have to make that decision and we're
statutoily required only for three kids.
I think what we did in the background
with our system and our program
is way more beneficial to a lot more
students but statutoily require only
three kids but get the commissioner
scholarship is what they call it.
Yeah. No, I I can agree with that. I I
can't imagine them not understanding how
they could apply.
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, if
they do have a financial aid, it's
almost certain that they're going to
their financial aid office and the
financial aid department should be
notifying them of this option.
>> And Mr. Chairman, Mr. Rickley, if I may,
the practice of the organization when
they are trying to do this is they are
filling their back filling in so they
know which students apply. They know
which students are from Sel County.
Great. Next item. Okay.
>> Um, next to the podium, Mr. Chairman, is
a box of dates of the county. You're
welcome to take some out of that box. I
have boxes for each of you if you want
to get them distributed. You had
mentioned distribution has been a
problem in the past and that you wanted
access to them so you can distribute
them how you see fit. They are in the
suburban and I believe the invoice was
in your AP today
>> and I think the Tony Del Ronda and you
and other department have contributed
did a tremendous job on it. Looks great.
» It was mostly done but thank you
for doing it.
Um, I wanted to let you know that we did
receive confirmation of the close out of
the state and local fiscal recovery
funds. That was basically COVID money as
most people say. Um, that close out is
complete. Obviously, if they want to
come back and with their books, they
can, but that is all available. I
notified our auditor and Jessica Rice
and Emily Harcini that that close out is
complete. And I have those filed in my
office should anybody want to look at
those.
and the auditor basically has all of it
as well. It's it's all sent to him every
year.
Um
on the
after AP is done today, they will close
the month or the last quarter. They'll
close the last quarter essentially by
closing the month. So we are back to the
time of on the next meeting we can do
those um
budget analysis things again that we
said we were going to skip a quarter on.
So if that is still the will of the
board we'll make that happen um probably
in the same order unless somebody wants
to change something. So on April 21st it
would be ice and public health.
Everybody okay with that or does anybody
want to change? and skip it. We get
through this procurement policy see
enough through that.
I think again the [clears throat] end of
the year I mean we're keeping track of
the big spenders pretty pretty tight.
It's a a big benefit that they come in
and explain that yeah we spent 60% of
our budget and we're 60% of the year. So
think we're going to have a lot more
harder conversations when it comes to
process.
All agree with that discussion.
» So what was the outcome? I'm sorry. Are
we doing it or are we not doing it?
Okay. All right. Um, I just gave you a
little rundown on the website committee
and what's happening there. If anybody
has any questions, you contact someone
on the website committee or ask me. I
may or may not know.
>> Other than that,
>> there was a question pertaining um I saw
from someone here to the employee portal
maybe.
>> Okay. So,
we would need to talk about what needs
to be included in the employee portal.
Um, I the understanding I had was that was to stop emails from being sent
out. So, I would suggest let's pull the
employees and see if they will regularly
go on there and be looking at it or if
it will mean we'll miss getting
information to employees because they're
having to go look for the information.
We sent an email claim saying that all
information is available on the employee
portal
uh notification will no longer be
emailed other than a
update notification
network
update notification. I'm sorry I was I
missed that part of the discussion. The
employee portal is changing what?
>> Okay. So on an employee portal versus
having email sent out from HR, if we put
all the information into the employee
online portal
and
then
update the new update
that would be sufficient.
What information are we talking about?
chain creates an employee portals where
they can go in and review their status
where they're at for hours. Updates to
HR policy are changes in the Fed law.
>> Mr. Chairman Clayton, um it came up when
something was sent that was required, I
believe, by the federal government for a
change to employment law or something. I
don't know. Andrea sent something out
recently and she was required to notify
every employee.
I think if we're as long as we're
meeting that off the top of my head,
then I would have to follow up with with
Andrew.
But as if it's requiring notification
and we're providing notification, even
if it directs to the portal or if it has
the information contained in the
notification, I would anticipate that
we're good, but I would won't look into
that.
>> And perhaps because of our community,
they're not mandated to that. A couple
of things in that regard.
I'll make a note to follow with Andrea
to talk to her about it. Thank you.
>> Um,
we had the forest the fourth and final
well not final but fourth of four forest
collaborative meetings and got through
the voting process. I had contacted Matt
because he went to the third meeting and
kind of had the rundown of what we were going to
be voting on. So I asked him in his
opinion. We got through that process. So
they are preparing a finalized document
for that. They are also planning to have
at least two meetings each year so that
everything is kept um up to date. The
hope is that some of the things will
help move projects forward and move
funding forward for certain.
>> Was there anything they voted on? Wasn't
it
>> there? Everything that you had seen was
voted on. There was one that had a a
person who voted five. In other words,
they could not live with that. So, that
one will have an explan a written
explanation as to why they couldn't live
with whatever the topic was. And that
will inform future meetings, future
meetings that result in hopefully action
on the ground.
>> So where did this collaborative get
started? Is this something Yoshi started
or that?
>> No, it it started in 2017. The first
collaborative was in 2017 and then again
in 2021.
And that is what has sort of shaped in
larger measure the forest services
10-year vegetation plan.
and the Forest Service was is in the
collaborative. So they are they too are
voting many times they voted a two which
essentially meant that they could live
with it but they couldn't wholeheartedly
support it because and their reasoning
was that they um don't envision having
the resources to do it.
>> Oh yeah. But the hope is that by making
it a priority and in a collaborative,
it'll help funnel funds to some of these
things. So, we'll see. But in your
report in the red, it talks about how LA
the 10-year veg plan has been
implemented last year, this year, and
moving forward. So, just as food for
thought, that veg plan meeting is
tomorrow. We're meeting in the
conservation district. It the meeting is
actually in Jackson, but we're doing it
remotely from the conservation district
building.
» Okay.
tomorrow.
Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, you had
asked about the gambling legislation. I
don't know for sure if it's going to hit
the priorities, but tomorrow at 4:00 is
your WCCA legislative recap. It's a
virtual meeting where Jeremiah will go
through all the legislation that passed
and how it may or may not impact
counties. So, you that would be a good
one to attend.
Um, and then finally, we received
information about the funding summit
that the state of Wyoming puts on a few
years ago. It was the federal funding
summit. They brought in federal agencies
and local agencies and taught grant
writing the first two days and then
talked specifically on the next two days
about what federal grants were
available. They've kind of pivoted off
that. It's not. It's just now the annual
Wyoming funding summit and they are
doing a 4-day panel 4-day session again
with interactive panels on days threes
and three and four, not just federal
agencies. Last year when I got notified
of this, I asked you if you wanted me to
notify if it was okay if I notified um
those departments that are applying for
grants and you authorized it last year.
I don't know that anybody went but this
is a free event other than the room
report. So would you like me to
distribute this information to for
instance
fire who does their own applications
public health um urban bridge does some
of their own grant applications
public health must be pretty good at it
be changing now we won't have anybody
there that's
>> and Josie is applying for grants now
>> and right actually in the process of
renewing that Colorado River
sustainability campaign extending and
renewing that hopefully.
So,
but
» yeah,
it's beneficial for us. Um, the smarter
our
um employees are and more information
that they know that there's possible
grants out there and the better. So I
think any training available this is a
good one should be all
[snorts]
» are there any other departments Mr.
Chairman that you want me to send it to
besides maybe those three
>> just send it out. Okay.
All right Mr. Chairman that's all I have
questions.
>> Okay. So I got one more thing. So the
street talk and you know how that can be
the street talk is like a word on the
street.
[laughter] The street talk happened that
the fourth service was going to start
reconstructing
the road.
Anybody else heard anything about that?
>> They thought about it for 10 years.
>> They're going up over Union Pass.
>> This is this is B. They're gonna go.
Last I heard they only had no
funding,000.
» I think they got more fun though.
They're going to be part of Union Pass
and they're going to go from the bridge
13 miles to the green.
>> I'll be shocked.
>> Oh, but
I I think it's definitely going to
happen.
Yeah, we shall do
people up there.
Have you heard of it's going to be
schedule A or they going to involve us
or they involve some fetal
federal route
>> and two two outlets in Jackson most of
the works.
>> Mr. Chairman, I believe did Kate talk to
you about some kind of a schedule A
project? He said that there was a
possibility that they had some schedule
a project for um
by
>> is it Temple
>> Temple Creek.
>> Yeah. Some some stuff by family and
adviser to have an engineer would like
to have in the past and see they can put
that project together for us
or not.
which I remember schedule.
We're just not tying the federal
restrictions on those.
» Mr. Chairman, would the procurement
policy affect that? Would we be
we should keep that in mind?
I think we'd be trying our own hands on
something like that to get some of that
work done.
» Understand the question. I'm sorry.
>> Mr. Chairman, I was just asking if the
potential adoption if we were to adopt
the procurement plan or pro policy that
was presented today,
part of the advantage for the Forest
Service of the county engaging in these
schedule A's is we don't have the same
contracting requirements that they have
and I I don't think we would be limiting
ourselves extensively, but would we be
limiting our ability to engage in those
with our own procurement policy was the
question. I don't see any of selecting a
contractor to do the policy.
>> Do we se do we select contractors
for that fam or do we do we do the work?
I don't know the answer. I guess yeah
like Skyline we did select contractors
for it
lower
engineer
came back
>> the 1000
million
9 million changes
That
>> that's it for me.
>> Any questions for Janess
online? Questions?
>> No hands.
>> I have an update from Katie Rulan who
will be doing a presentation on the 23rd
of this month at the UK's
boardroom I think is where it's at. uh
pertaining to the uh economic
and future planning of the envelope
migration route along with um town sweet
water helicopter
or not
you cancelled the one that went to his
desk earlier and then he created a new
commission to uh create a new one.
We created a task force
of the task force that's on it. I
understand that they asking for the
counties to do a presentation on what
the potential
um changes with the analog corridor and
migration corridor would impact our
current land use policy. Right. Am I
right?
But they agreed to the last one is only
public not supposed to be private.
>> So that's be changed.
>> Correct. No, but the discussion does
have to in encompass private land. Um
it's saying
when it comes to the development of that
how do you feed the developer and what
are the what's the
impact on that
but it deals mostly because voluntary
it can't be mandated to do anything
other than say this is what we're
looking at kind of what we'd like to
have in effect and then it goes to
public federal land and that's where
they'll have the
basic rules and then they
bottlenecks where it comes to the
crossing the roads and
I
my thoughts I don't like the word
volunteer put in there Right. So then
you you take the mu deer um migration
um executive order and I think it was
bullet point 4 says nothing in this
order shall pertain to private plan. As
soon as you start adding that word
voluntary, you're going to have some of
our constituents that are going to read
that and publicly shame people and come
before us on what decision that we're
going [clears throat] to be making and
say, "Well, they should volunteer for it
because so and so down here volunteer
for it." And if they don't, that should
be a reason for you guys to deny this
rather than art or um policy and or
black and white rules that say, "Hey,
this pertains here anytime. I don't like
that in voluntary." That's my thoughts.
Excellent point.
Then of course they have the uh
fin
coming up the next meeting
that will get to the rest of the
conversation.
I know the first go round before the
governor said, "Look, I'm gonna form
this committee and put it out to this
committee to advise me on where we're
going to go with this." Said that
nothing in that would pertain to
existing development that's already
happened. It would only pertain to new
development outside of whatever fold or
sideboards that they put into that
development. For example, I think game
and fish um several times had said
um the upper boat dock or the lower boat
dock at Fremont Lake is a is a very big
tension point. That executive order
would say that there could never be any
kind of development there.
But there could be development within
the boundaries of the Pine Deline. As
soon as you step outside of the Pine
Deline, for example, and or anything we
got going through the south with blue
spruce or anything else, there would
have to be some discussions on what that
would pertain to the animal migration.
Something we definitely need to keep an
eye on.
>> I don't think our planning is personally
needs to be made to this. Well, no,
they're just doing the presentation as
far as how it ties to our comprehensive
plan.
>> So, our chairman volunteered himself to be leading this, but he's he's going
to do the presentation.
>> It's being led by
uh Commissioner Robert.
>> Yeah, Rob Slaughter is the chairman of
the But you're you're the one
representing
Busby. Yeah. And our our thing. So, good
luck.
» [laughter]
>> Thanks,
>> Mr. Chairman. Does it also I'm curious
on the private land on this new plan, if
they had to pull a state permit for
whatever reason, are they suddenly
subject to
regulations for
>> like
I don't know what the answer is on this
one.
We're not that far.
Well, that's a great question, right?
Because with the sage grass, as soon as
you have to any private development,
soon as they have to pull a state
permit, they're subject to buying
credits with any disturbed uh safe grass
habitat, which is a whole new ballax
because the pathfinder sold out and
they're the only ones within the state
of Wyoming that is a registered bank for
those credits.
and don't know how that's going to work
out with the new owners and how much
land is dedicated on that pathfinder
that's not already spoken for or tied up
through some sort of credit process.
some great questions and I've asked
several king and fish people have yet to
give an answer where that banking system
is going to go and how it's going to
work with other changes and anybody
else's mandated
>> well then there's also the fally
mandated revising
does a good enough job on protecting s
so there's als Start from
» Hey, we're at the end of the meeting. Is
there any public comment or question
from online?
>> No hands.
Oh business.
We got that.
Yeah. So whole business for you, please.
I've got old business. [clears throat]
[laughter]
So
I think well it is completely scrapped
with
the county involvement or anything at
this stage of the game. My father
grabbed it completely with it till they
carried the existing river. He held the
fence track where it was originally fine
and not temporary
showed up like that.
I see that thing. I see that thing
going to be two or three.
It's going to be another who knows how
much money
that money that we're going to save by
not doing it. Put it someplace else if
we
from our last meeting. He said he had to
rebuild a portion of it. He could hand
that his own budget,
>> but he doesn't have to build. We'll talk
to people down there. We'll talk to the
people down there back that used all the
time. Once the willows were gone,
>> right, that's that's the word I got.
>> That took that took care of the issues.
>> Susie was upset about it. We went in
[clears throat] her last week that
wasn't going to be done,
but it is
not
folks.
Dr.
I say no. I I think that you know the
people that use it down there.
I now tell me most of the time except in
summer travel four or five cars a day
maybe
pick up that season
but
I don't know that that's my take on it.
I just I just know I talked to a couple
of the guys said in fact they said great
job of not doing that. We don't need it
there. Doesn't need it.
Does anyone want to decide
bring it up at the next commissioner's
meeting and make determination?
He may already be well that could happen
that country down there
snow
it's prime to go get it done then we're
going to be talking
like building identif is working on it
and bring it up to the next meeting
just on the agenda.
I think we'll have enough information
today.
I'm not part of the project. Never was I
mean been on the road a lot. It's wide
open as this. I just think we've got
other roads in this county.
» We've heard about
the county go
at that point. That's all I
thought. My thoughts is
I'd like
the bill for it. Um said the engineering
was already done. We're we're already
paying those employees. So I don't know
like that really thought
that's engineering done. We've been
given a lot of
I just don't think I just don't blame
them doing that. This country is going
to open up and you're going to see Billy
have a lot of stuff.
>> So if you be kind enough to contact
Billy do that be and then pardon
>> I will have to be kind. I should call
him out and tell him we're going to
discuss it next meeting.
>> Okay. Please get started now.
This is what we're saying. Would you
that next year? What other business do
you have?
Any other
great
to got anything?
>> Thanks for coming.
>> So long since I saw you recognize why
I'm here tonight. I haven't been a
chance to come by and sit in on this and
we did have about 15 people the other
night in ourformational
meeting about any and so I just thought
I'd stop in case there was any of those
people come back. some a pretty good
crowd that just and really good
discussion
>> and what was their feedback on the
>> I think there's some of each
like Sandy said the chair lady said I
think there was some some good feedback
from and some some worries you know
about in the future and and through the
information knowledge about you know the
sunset laws and and where this money
went and it was even on the agenda where
they back in front
of the conversation.
It was good.
One other thing.
So,
and I think it's great that the red kids
here,
>> but I'm wondering
I think probably the Finale High School
basketball boys were involved in a I'm
guessing it's never happened before
overtime win for the consolation
championship. I'm wondering if it would
be appropriate maybe to really thought
it was.
>> If I may interject on that. Yes. Um
spoken with couple of people in
gymnastics specifically. Once we get
outside of these state titles, we open
up.
>> That is a state club.
>> Pardon? It is a state. Yeah, but it's
not number one.
>> I couldn't hear you.
>> But it's not number one.
>> Right. They've been placed first and
that's that's what
they
remind is fourth. It's not first
and second and second because if you
started giving them let me tell you
about first second third
of who you are how important it is just
place
first is not always don't always pass
excited about just getting some placeic
local%
And you're on friendly ears because I
we've had this conversation
suggested the recognition for two skiers
who placed number one at the state meet
but were not number one to all the
points.
» So what's happening with the with the
two seers?
>> You said no state champions
>> because they were points winners. They
were only they only won first at the
state meet.
>> Okay, that was
crazy. Then we had the uh
[snorts] women's hockey
state
» Okay. So So [clears throat] what about
So here we go. So we got kids on the
wrestling team. They didn't win the
state as a group, but they had
>> but the individuals did.
>> And we recognized those last year.
>> Yeah. Well, we still got some coming up
this weekend last week. Last weekend,
two or three out of the play saying,
"Hey, you guys are good. The last time
you second, third, and fourth." Well,
they place he's eventually a state title
which is different than any team title
they wrestle with.
That's why I always thought it was
pretty unique to go down there. I'm
guessing there's no team ever
with
play for
this case.
I'll tell you what, when you watch those
kids,
your [clears throat] excitement was
clear through the roof. You can't tell
anyone
ever said anything that it wasn't.
[laughter]
All in favor?
So, we'll get to
How are you? I'm ready. Perfect.