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» Meeting for Mark Lawson.

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April 6th,

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2026. Almost got me.

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Uh the first item is going to be a

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presentation, uh Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. President. Uh

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Schenectady had a long-term relationship

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with the Center for Technology and

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Government, which is the applied

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research unit at the University of

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Albany.

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And uh they're here tonight to uh

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talk on uh community asset tracker and

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working with our code enforcement.

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With that, I'll

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Eric's leading us off for the Yes.

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Thank you.

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So, I'd like to just

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uh walk through uh some of the brief

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history that we've had with

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You said 2026.

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People at home can't

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hear in this room.

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You want me to stand up? Just your

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camera so they can see who's talking.

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All right.

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It's for the people at home.

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This council's tricky.

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Uh brief history of the center working

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with the city. Um talk about our uh our

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community asset tracker innovation that

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we've been working on.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> And, um,

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currently working forward with Project

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Connecticity.

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Uh, so we have a nice long, you can see

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20, uh, 15. We started working with, uh,

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the city on, um, some urban blight

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projects. So, uh, the mayor came to the

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center and and,

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talking about, uh,

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information challenges around, um,

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finding the blight. And, uh, so we had a

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project that ran for a number of years,

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funded by the, uh, near the Department

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of State local government efficiency

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program.

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And that system was is, uh, a designed

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to give the code officers technology in

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the field, so the information could flow

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quicker. Instead of using, uh,

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clipboards to collect data for

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inspections and things like that, they

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have were given technology in the field

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that was linked with data back in the

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office,

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so that they could more easily collect

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data in the field, as well as look up,

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um, information that they needed while

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they're out on the site.

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That project also,

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uh, included a couple other city

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Cloverhill and Amsterdam in that project

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with, uh, similar technology, similar

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challenges.

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Um, and as a result, one of the other

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results of that was this, um,

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information sharing platform that was

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created called code to help similar,

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um,

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code departments across the state to

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share information about, um, different

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programs that they carry out and how

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they carry them out and the benefits of

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those,

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as well as the opportunity to share data

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amongst each other.

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So, at the center, we use, uh, workshops

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and interviews as ways to better

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understand the context of problems.

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And in this last project that I

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just described, we were meeting with the

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city and, um,

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there was a garbage truck driver at this

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meeting.

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We had, uh, some code officials there,

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also.

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The garbage truck driver knew so much

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about what was happening in the

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community just by the fact that he's out

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in the community doing his job.

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Uh, however,

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his responsibility was to drive the

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truck and make sure that, uh, the people

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working with him was safe. He didn't

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have the opportunity to share that

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information with the codes departments

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and other departments, uh, DGS

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departments that could use that

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information.

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And at that time, I

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think it as a computer scientist, maybe

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we can teach a computer to do this.

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Maybe we can teach a computer to help

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collect this information right along

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with the vehicle, in the vehicle, to

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collect that information so that it can

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be shared in, uh, with other

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departments.

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Taking advantage of the fact that

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they're in the field.

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And so that's what we have. We call it a

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community asset tracker.

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Um, there's a, we call it a sensor that

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goes on the vehicle that is already out

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in the field carrying out its, its, um,

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its work.

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And it, uh, is trained to collect

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information that, um,

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the code department or DGS department

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find deems important and necessary.

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that initial work is is also funded by,

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uh, SUNY technology

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grant.

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So, where we are today, um, we've been

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meeting with the mayor and, uh, some of

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his team,

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uh, for the past, uh, several months and

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understanding

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what types of objects and issues do they

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this system to be able to collect. What

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would be useful for their teams? What

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would enable some new efficiencies

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that, um,

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that we could, uh, explore with this

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technology. So, we've been developing

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that list and training our system. And

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we're in the process of setting up a

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pilot to give this a go, to give it a

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try, set it up, let it run,

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give the the, um, staff an opportunity

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to make use of this data and to see how

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it can be improved and measure its

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impact.

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so, this is, um, this is a system

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that's, uh, that we, have. There's many pieces to it, um,

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and since I've been talking kind of that

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in abstract about the work in the city

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because it's not together yet, I thought

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it would be good,

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uh, to show,

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um, an example. So, we have this

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technology,

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uh, being used by CDTA.

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And CDTA is very interested in, um,

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using this technology to

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monitor the cleanliness and safety of

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their bus shelters.

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Okay?

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And so we're piloting that with them and

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we've been doing that for about 2 years

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now, a year and a half, and

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we've got two buses on a single line,

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the red line goes from Albany to

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Schenectady. And so we've got a short

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list and of things that they wanted us

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to keep track of and that's trash,

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broken glass, graffiti, snow and ice,

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um, and, uh, one that's not on there is,

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uh, the garbage bin, is it full or not?

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And this is really to help, uh, they

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have, uh,

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380 shelters

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and they have a staff that is

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responsible for cleaning these shelters

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they need a way to help direct their

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staff to figure out, well,

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um, where should they go,

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um, at what point and how to manage, you

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know, they if they what they don't want

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to do is have, guys, just go on a

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regular schedule to shelters that are

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already clean

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and and then miss the ones that need

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attention. And so that's how they want

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to use this technology.

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So, what I have here is kind of an

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infographic. If we look in the top left,

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that is, uh, the side of the bus and

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that's where the sensor is mounted. The

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next one over to the right is a map in the long line is that's the bus route

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and the dots are where the stops are.

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So, as it goes by a stop,

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it knows that it's at a stop, it takes a

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picture and the AI looks at that picture

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and determines, hey, that garbage can,

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is it full or not? Um, is there any

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trash on the ground? How what are the

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other indicators that they're interested

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in monitoring?

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the So, that's what we see in the top

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right and the bottom left, um, we also

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see the shelter and we can see that, um,

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it's not meeting their standard for, um,

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cleaning up the snow between the shelter

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and the street. So, that's identifying

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that.

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Uh, what's on the right is, um, a piece

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of their dashboard and that shows the

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things in red are the things that, um,

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uh, they have different levels that they

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wanted to be notified about and so when

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it reaches a certain level, they're red

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and that's what we see there is the red

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items.

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And that gives the,

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um, the staff the ability to,

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validate. So, they can look at that

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entry and then

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look at the detail. So, they can see

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what they the computer was doing and

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then they can make an informed decision.

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Am I going to change my route and go

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take care of this or is, yeah,

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this is fine, I'll get to it later or

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I'll pass that on.

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So, this is a,

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um,

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you know, their their their example is

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much more simple than the city's. The

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city's example is is much more

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complicated, it's a lot more items and

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the, uh, the region is bigger,

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um,

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but the idea is the same. The the

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process is the same and the outcomes

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we're looking to do something very

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similar, uh, dashboard level,

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uh, of information for staff.

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So, where we are now, like I said, we're setting up the pilot. We want to

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continue this,

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um, and we want to build this out. We

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want to see this, uh, functioning and

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supporting the staff at

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in the city here.

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Um, mayor's team has submitted a,

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uh, Department of State grant, uh, the

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beginning of the year

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and the goal is to use that as a way to,

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um, build this out and include,

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um,

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other cities which were also in the

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application, Albany and Village of

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Richfield Springs.

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and the focus is, um,

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you know, OGS and code enforcement ex-

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exterior property maintenance type of

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issues.

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And, of course, like the past project,

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the goal is and and I think the mayor

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and his staff did well last time, too,

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in this project was

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being an example. They they're leaders

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in many regards and what they've done

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and learned here, they've shared and so

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we're looking to do something very

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similar here.

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So, thank you.

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Any questions or comments? Mr. Mayor,

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thank you for giving me the opportunity

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first.

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Again, this has been a long-term

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relationship that's evolving but one of

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the practical applications of it

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on the agenda tonight also is

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in terms of garbage collection to be

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able to

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size

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profile things that are on the curb for

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garbage collection and to incorporate

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that in an automated manner and also do

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it in a manner that

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would be reflected in the code so that

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it would improve our overall efficiency

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in terms of

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uh garbage collection, managing uh

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recyclables

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Now we're picking up more of the uh yard

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waste that's coming up. But there's an

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element of randomness in what we do and

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this would allow to be

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much more sophisticated in terms of the

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tracking and

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just improving [clears throat] the

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overall delivery of services.

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Thank you. Any other questions or

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comments? Mr. Chairs?

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With uh reading this uh looking at your

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presentation I got to look at a little

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bit earlier as well. I want to

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appreciate what you guys have already

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done in data collection along the way

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and I agree with the mayor on the way of

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it would help ease the concern as we

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talked about our last committee meeting,

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right? That

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our OGS workers don't know when there's

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bulk items that are going to be there.

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They can't prepare for the night before

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where technically your technology would

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allow us that opportunity to prepare the

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staff for what they can pick up so they

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can adjust their timing. Um one more

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question is I know we're getting grant

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funding for it now too with the pilot

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program. If the city was to implement

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this long-term, I believe it's going to

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be very successful. If you don't have

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grant funding, how much does it cost for

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the city to operate something like this?

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We don't know yet.

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So, we're we you know, we're piloting a

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single sensor.

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Um and we haven't figured out we don't

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have a model yet for well, how many does

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the city need?

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Um so, that depends on that. We don't we

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don't have a model yet for you know, how

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much data is needed to be collected.

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Uh so, that's what we're hoping to

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learn. You know, the pilot that we're

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this small pilot that we're doing is

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going to continue regardless of the

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grant. The grant is well, it would help

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speed things up.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions or comments? Mr.

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Doran? Yes, thank you. You mentioned

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that the mayor and staff had put

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together what might be useful for us

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here in the city. Can you elaborate on

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what what

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they're thinking the mayor [music] can

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say that what what it what what

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specifically are we working on here

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that's useful?

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>> Um okay, so like high-level categories

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of things well, exterior prop exterior

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property maintenance items.

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Um

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there was some like road infrastructure

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type of things um like uh street cuts

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and those kind of things um

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to alert OGS that hey, work is going on

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perhaps permitted or not permitted.

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I'd also like to thank the mayor and

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everyone else on our smart cities. I

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know he's looking into technology to

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help our staff and workers just move

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forward in an easier way making things

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easier for us to work. Move forward as a

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city. Thank you.

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Call up there any no further questions.

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Um I had two.

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The first one before I get into that

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definitely any considerations because

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this is very very exciting cutting-edge

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technology. I think Schenectady has

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always been on the forefront of these

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types of

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policy changes where we're turning into

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the fold with technology.

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And my question was about the

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data-driven improvements and we talked

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about some of the issues that the CDTA

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was identifying with its two sensors. Do

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you have any statistical findings

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speaking to just the improvements or

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cost savings or just time savings,

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anything just numerically?

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So, CDTA has not they don't have this in

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their hands yet. Their staff

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So, the dashboard that I showed you,

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that is

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going to be released to them next week.

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So, they're like I said, they're ahead

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but not that much ahead.

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And then the only reason why I mentioned

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that is that I think as you pitched this

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initiative to the city, I think we all

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grapple onto that and we're like, "Oh my

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gosh, this could really solve a lot of

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our issues." But really wanted to make

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sure we're realistically looking at what

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we can achieve especially if it's a

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single sensor model.

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Um my other question was you talked

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about how the device captures just the

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quote unquote issues that are

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identified. Is it able to capture those

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while the vehicle or apparatus it's

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attached to is in motion or does it have

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to be at a stop?

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Uh no, this works um up to 60 mph.

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So, we will not be driving that fast

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within the city.

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>> [laughter]

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>> That's right. Or shouldn't be. Or

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shouldn't be.

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That's the issue.

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Um

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and then Mr. Chairs spoke of a question

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but wanted to make sure if the city

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wasn't able to secure the grant for this

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are [snorts] we able to or are we

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confidently recommending this moving

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forward regardless, Mr. Mayor?

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We're going to continue to move forward

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on this. We're also this is one aspect

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of it. We're also working with Civil

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uh

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the company that primarily [snorts]

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focuses on

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street surface. So,

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their cameras point directly down.

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Even though they also have side view

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which will track uh other assets, street

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signs, uh fire hydrants,

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uh

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other municipal infrastructure.

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And it's how do you take the uh

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work that we're doing with Civil

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incorporate it with

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the uh platform that CPG is working with

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and then other data that we collect and

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maintain. And it's that

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just the work in the city of

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Schenectady. The real value is the

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ability to have a platform that would be

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uh implementable on a state-wide and

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nation-wide basis.

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Thank you.

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Uh if there are no further questions or

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comments, I think the I can at least

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speak for myself really excited to see

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next steps and what this could really do

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to beneficially impact uh just our

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ongoing struggles.

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Um thank you, sir. Thank you.

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Uh so, due to Mr. Murnane being out, I

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will call to order the Finance

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Committee.

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Uh we have five items on the agenda for

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discussion. The first of which is to

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award a bid contract for the Globe

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firefighting gear. Chief Burns, it looks

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like you're here. Just on vacations.

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Good evening. Hope everybody had a good

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Easter and good holiday.

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Um this is pretty straightforward. We

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put out the bid 10 sets of Globe turnout

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gear or for 10 sets of Globe gear.

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Um Garrison Fire and Rescue Corp came

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back with the uh the bid.

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Uh they were the only ones who got back.

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So,

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pretty easy bid budget for us this year.

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So, it's in our budget so nothing to

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worry about finding money.

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Um one thing Chief Burns did put in

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there, he's he's requesting that uh the

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council considers that we look at the

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option of

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adding another four years to this

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contract just to consider because we've

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been dealing with Garrison's the local

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supplier for Globe. Globe meets our

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standardization requirements in the city

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of Schenectady.

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So, it's just something for you guys to

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consider.

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Uh opening up for questions or comments.

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I think my only immediate question was

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have there been any previous issues with

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securing if we were not considered I

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guess proceeding with the yearly

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review?

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No, they

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This is uh so, we try to rotate

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how many sets we buy every year because

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it's pretty expensive. So, we don't want

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to

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hit hit you guys with a you know, we

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need 120 sets of turnout gear you know,

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every five years. So, we try to stagger

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it every 10.

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Um that's why we're asking for 10 sets

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right now.

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Okay.

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Uh at the four-year

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singular year

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and like allowing you to proceed with

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additional four one-year periods.

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Right. So, that's he's basically he's

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asking for a five-year contract with Garrison. That's what I think his

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intention is here with this.

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Got you. Thank you. Any questions or

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comments?

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Uh hearing none, um Corporation Counsel

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here?

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Yeah, does it need to be different or

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what?

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Put your time in here. I mean, the the bid

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did they have the four-year option in

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that bid? I know it wasn't really

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attached a lot of materials to that.

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>> I would have to look. Yeah, so I'll have

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to look. But in the short term, we can

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get by with the purchase of this

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you know,

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10 sets of firefighting uh

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jackets. Yeah, jackets. Jackets. And

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then we can take a look at

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you know, next time

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for options to extend that out. Okay.

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So, for the short term, I just recommend

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we award the bid one-year contract and

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then we can take a look at that

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the document if we need to or

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put it out again for the time period

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requested.

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Thank you.

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Any questions or comments? So, hearing

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none with that adjustment to just

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consider this one-year period, is there

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a motion? I'll move it. I'll second. All

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those in favor? Aye. Thank you.

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Uh moving to the next agenda item, it's

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a grant award 2025-2026

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Discover form.

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Uh Chief

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Oh,

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sorry. Chief Palombo.

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» Thank you.

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Good evening everyone.

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Here to present the 2025-2026

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discovery reform grant award.

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This is through the Department of

560
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,292
Criminal Justice Services DCJS

561
00:39:59,292 --> 00:39:59,400
>> [clears throat]

562
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,640
>> and Schenectady County received money

563
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,560
through this for discovery reform.

564
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,280
We ultimately came up with a memorandum

565
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,000
of understanding MOU with the county

566
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,720
that they are going to allocate $75,000

567
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,120
to the police department

568
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
to assist in this endeavor.

569
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,360
Ultimately, the money is going to go

570
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,720
um

571
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,080
to help us better for lack of better

572
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,320
explanation save space in the

573
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,760
department.

574
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Space is a premium. We're running out of

575
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,400
it especially with all the documents

576
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,120
evidence that we have to collect and

577
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,160
maintain over the years.

578
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,920
So in keeping with the times and

579
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,400
supporting compliance with the discovery

580
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,440
law requirements that were enacted in

581
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,120
2020

582
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:44,960
um

583
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,280
ultimately we're going to use this money

584
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,040
to and we're working with the IT

585
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,760
department to

586
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,080
get servers and a bunch of scanners and

587
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,240
other

588
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,720
tech items. Ultimately scanning and

589
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,120
preserving the evidence digitally so we

590
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
don't have to maintain a physical copy

591
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,480
of it. Again all in compliance.

592
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,240
So the breakdown would be $75,000 to the

593
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,520
department, $20,000 would go to the

594
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,960
digital storage and then $55,000

595
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,000
would go to overtime costs and labor

596
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,040
costs um

597
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,160
in

598
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,560
doing so and scanning everything in

599
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,360
digitally.

600
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,680
Thank you. I'll see any questions or

601
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,600
comments. Hearing none I'll entertain a

602
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,080
motion. I'll second. All those in favor?

603
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,160
I.

604
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Thank you.

605
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920
The next item is the Dury Community

606
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,040
Foundation ARPA funding recapture and

607
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:40,350
reprogramming. Ms. Carver.

608
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Good evening City Council.

609
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,360
I come before you today I had brought

610
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,800
this mentioned this earlier this year

611
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,120
about coming before ARPA reallocation

612
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
and reprogramming of the Dury Foundation

613
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,270
ARPA funds in the amount of $339,000.

614
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Um

615
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,040
we after review we realized that this

616
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,320
organization does not have the capacity

617
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,800
to manage the funds in a timely manner

618
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,680
so that they can spend the money by the

619
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,600
ARPA deadline.

620
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,560
I don't have the supporting documents

621
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,200
for my recommendation which the

622
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Department of Development is really

623
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,760
recommending that we use these funds

624
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,880
towards Central Park

625
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,560
for several reasons. It gives us more

626
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,000
control um to make sure that we spend

627
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,400
this money

628
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
on time versus putting this money out

629
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,400
into the community which will require

630
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,000
environmental reviews and just levels of

631
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,400
complexities that we don't have um time

632
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,950
for.

633
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,400
The Central Park project is to fill the

634
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,320
pool but on the old pool the old pool

635
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,440
sorry to fill the old pool in Central

636
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Park but the goal is to to handle those

637
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,800
issues so that we can create more family

638
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
friendly green space in the park. Picnic

639
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,720
tables, maybe single pavilions.

640
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,760
The possibilities are endless but we we

641
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,840
have to address the the the old pool

642
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,630
before we can move forward.

643
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Thank you Ms. Carver. Any questions or

644
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,800
comments?

645
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,000
I just like to comment that that we can

646
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,240
decide that now but on any given night

647
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,680
during the summer park is just full of

648
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,560
families and sometimes they bring their

649
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,440
dogs and they tie their dogs up to the

650
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,960
tree and they have barbecues and

651
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,400
very respectful of everything that's

652
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,400
happening but to the right of tiny tot

653
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,680
land it's like I don't want to say

654
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,000
overcrowded so I think this is a

655
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,120
beautiful idea to to fill in the old

656
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920
pool, put in a drainage system where you

657
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,120
need to to create more space for

658
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,360
individuals to enjoy the park.

659
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Yeah, thank you.

660
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,400
Ms. Chase. I I actually agree. I want to

661
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,720
thank Ms. Carver for getting this back

662
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,120
to us so fast.

663
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,440
We're looking through details so you and

664
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,880
your team thank you so much for doing

665
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,040
this and

666
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,240
I think that's a great project. I know

667
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:50,520
myself and the Council President had

668
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,240
talked about that space and where how it

669
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,200
can be used or developed properly to

670
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,359
something else that we can benefit the park as an entirety. So I appreciate

671
00:43:58,359 --> 00:43:59,240
the work you've done and getting this

672
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,200
back to us quickly. Thank you.

673
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,680
And then I'll Mr. Brian. Yes as Mr.

674
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Chairman and Ms. Carver I said regarding

675
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,480
the resolution since it's been

676
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160
reprogrammed back to the city and

677
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,480
recapture back to the city. Do you want

678
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,160
the resolution to say that that we

679
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600
reprogram for for for for efforts in

680
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,320
Central Park the

681
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Schenectady Central Park? Do you want to

682
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,560
delineate that now or just at this point

683
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,880
just

684
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,440
have it brought back for reprogramming

685
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,280
for this space?

686
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,680
>> to the council to make that decision. Uh

687
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Mr. Mayor.

688
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,395
We're working up

689
00:44:34,395 --> 00:44:34,520
>> [clears throat]

690
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,200
>> the actual costs on that

691
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,480
and so

692
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,200
if the council

693
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,560
wanted to move ahead with

694
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,840
tonight conceptually

695
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,200
we should have some better numbers by

696
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Wednesday or Thursday to

697
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,880
The engineer's estimate is about

698
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
$250,000

699
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,080
to fill in the old pool, put some

700
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,760
drainage in so we don't end up with a

701
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,880
marshy area there because that is a low

702
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,120
lying area.

703
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,960
So

704
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,760
they are working up to do a a bid a

705
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400
package for so it'll go out to bid. So

706
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,240
their estimate right now is around 250

707
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:12,120
to

708
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,080
280,000 dollars is their estimate.

709
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Got you. Thank you. Mr. Brian. Yes I

710
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,520
would I would just recommend that you

711
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,560
the resolution for the short term

712
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
recapture that money because we want to

713
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,000
get that money

714
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,320
into the city, recapture it and then in

715
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,920
2 weeks when those numbers are more

716
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,000
flushed out then that money that you've

717
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,400
recap captured in this upcoming

718
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,600
resolution can be then reprogrammed out

719
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,600
2 weeks out. At least this way you're

720
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,120
getting the money.

721
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,480
You're you're you're saying that that

722
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,000
project's not there but you're going to

723
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,359
put it there for reprogrammed use.

724
00:45:46,359 --> 00:45:47,840
And then definitely to note Mr.

725
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,066
Terrell's excitement.

726
00:45:49,066 --> 00:45:49,800
>> [laughter]

727
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
>> I would err on the side of caution. I

728
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,760
think to to Mr. Brian's point of seeing

729
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,160
those numbers um not reflective of me

730
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,200
taking a position um but also wanted to

731
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,760
make sure to consider there was another

732
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,200
program that reached out for

733
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,040
consideration of these monies as well.

734
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,720
Uh so I wanted to ensure that as we

735
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,920
receive like the formal recommendation

736
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,359
that it reflects the spirit of everyone

737
00:46:08,359 --> 00:46:11,200
that made an attempt to ask. Um what I

738
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,240
did want to point out though is

739
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,120
beyond appreciative to Ms. Carver and

740
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
her team for identifying this money and

741
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,800
although very remiss that we could not

742
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,720
use this for the Dury intended use

743
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:22,880
um I wanted to make sure it was noted

744
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,920
this is in no way a reflection of

745
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,880
Reverend Doctor Solomon sincerely just

746
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,359
recognizing the uh

747
00:46:30,359 --> 00:46:33,160
situation she walked into with Dury and

748
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,480
hands full immediately and identifying

749
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,800
some of the barriers or obstacles that

750
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,359
was before the church to be considered

751
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,040
of additional funding streams was not an

752
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,640
option moving forward.

753
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,040
So I appreciate the conversations that

754
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,359
you and your team had to ensure this

755
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:48,080
money was not lost and I I think in the

756
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,200
spirit of just addressing the

757
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,840
recapturing

758
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,760
um I would like to entertain a motion

759
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,720
but want to put out another any further

760
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,800
questions or comments.

761
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Um Ms. Toro. I would like to also agree

762
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,000
that we recapture it but

763
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,800
even without the numbers I would like to

764
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,040
at least specify that it'll be used in

765
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,510
Central Park

766
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,120
um

767
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,880
for that specific reason at this time.

768
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,720
>> It's up to the council.

769
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,120
>> Yeah I know it's up to us but again

770
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,200
there are individuals reaching out

771
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,480
whether they can meet anything within

772
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,640
the timelines for ARPA and we may as

773
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,359
well not you may as well but I think

774
00:47:24,359 --> 00:47:26,320
it's very efficient that we keep it for

775
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,880
ourselves for the benefit of everyone in

776
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,760
the community. You know and I don't

777
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,560
disagree with that. I think that we do

778
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,120
have time and the 2 weeks is not going

779
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,920
to negatively impact the the funding

780
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,240
availability. Is that correct Ms.

781
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:38,720
Carver?

782
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,359
>> Correct. Uh so I think just wanted to

783
00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:41,880
have the numbers in front of us. I think

784
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,800
it's

785
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,600
the but wanting to ensure that we're not

786
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,120
split in the understanding of

787
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,560
recapturing it. So we can agree on that

788
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,040
first and then proceed with the motion.

789
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,400
>> I've heard it so we can entertain a

790
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,400
motion to at least recapture the funds.

791
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,040
I'll make a motion. I'll second. All

792
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,960
those in favor? I.

793
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,320
Thank you Ms. Carver. Thank you.

794
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Uh the next item for discussion is the

795
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,000
revised green fees and rates at the

796
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Schenectady Municipal Golf Course.

797
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,080
That'll be discussed by Mr. Wong or Mr.

798
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,070
O'Brien.

799
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,359
How are you tonight? Pretty good.

800
00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:18,359
Uh what you have in front of you is the

801
00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:20,840
increase for the

802
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,200
green fees.

803
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,760
It is recommended that they increase the

804
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,200
9 hole by a dollar so

805
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,040
the 18 hole will be $2 for the time a

806
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,840
dollar for 9 holes.

807
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,920
$50 across the board for the seasonal

808
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,440
rates and there's a $2 increase for the

809
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,200
double cart cost for 18 holes. This will

810
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,359
keep this at a level

811
00:48:40,359 --> 00:48:41,920
based on regional

812
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,280
courses

813
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,800
and this will help cover the costs that

814
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,120
go up on a yearly basis at the course.

815
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,400
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

816
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,120
I'll make a motion. Um I know in these

817
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,120
instances we usually are uh

818
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,800
have the opportunity to see Mr. Daley. I

819
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,240
think both of them are on vacation

820
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,120
but I did get a chance to send Mr. Wong

821
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
a text that he answered on vacation and

822
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,560
they're both very confident in these

823
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
recommendations so I'll make a motion.

824
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,520
I'll second. All those in favor? I.

825
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,320
Thank you Ms. Carver. Thank you.

826
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
And the last item for discussion is the

827
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,280
Empire State Development Connectivity

828
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,320
Mobile Service Incentive Proposal for

829
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,790
approval. Mr. Cannon.

830
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:33,750
The sheet passed out.

831
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,870
Thank you.

832
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,350
very much.

833
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,320
» All right. So, I'm seeking approval for

834
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,320
the New York State Empire State uh

835
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Connect I'm sorry, development

836
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,480
ConnectAll mobile service program. This

837
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,360
builds off of the uh already smart city

838
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,320
initiative that we started, the digital

839
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,360
equity initiative, if you will.

840
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,200
Um this goes into the Bellevue

841
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,360
neighborhood so you can see as noted

842
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,360
there in the third bullet.

843
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,360
Um

844
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,760
demonstrates high demand and usage, so I

845
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,720
think this is something that we can all

846
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,960
agree that it can really go to that

847
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,080
other level once we get to the other uh

848
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,760
neighborhood here.

849
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,640
As for evaluation analysis, we're

850
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,600
addressing digital divide in the

851
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,160
low-to-moderate income areas. Um

852
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,880
expands access to education, health

853
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,160
care, workforce, job opportunities, and

854
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,280
reducing the cost of burden for mobile

855
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,600
data.

856
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,240
Um

857
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,360
it's a proven model, as you see there,

858
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,200
scalable, repeatable,

859
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,600
um using the infrastructure that we have

860
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,080
in place already.

861
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,760
Got community support, Bellevue

862
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,640
neighborhood, city school district, and

863
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,040
uh the Reformed Church, and local city

864
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,720
leadership.

865
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,160
Emphasis on quality of life, student

866
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,440
access, and equity. Now, this all comes

867
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,440
down to the grant that we did receive

868
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,960
from New York State, ESD, if you will,

869
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,360
uh 1.6 million. There is a city match of

870
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,360
180,900,

871
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,520
which is 10% of that over the 2 years

872
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,320
that we're going to be working here, so

873
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,680
full 1.8 million, and uh real slam dunk

874
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,120
in my eyes, but want to see what you

875
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,360
guys think.

876
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,760
Thank you. Uh any questions or comments?

877
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,760
Mr. Chair. Thank you for bringing this

878
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,040
to us, and uh ConnectAll obviously is a

879
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,560
proven model works well. We see it

880
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,960
downstairs as well. Right. I'm excited

881
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,560
that we are considering bringing it to

882
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,560
the city of Schenectady. You know, I

883
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,240
would sit on the Finance Committee. I

884
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,680
think the ability that you're putting in

885
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,200
the infrastructure of 70 miles of fiber

886
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,920
is outstanding. So, thank you. All

887
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,560
right. No problem.

888
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Mr. Chair. Thank you.

889
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Um what neighborhoods have been

890
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,360
complete? I've been over to the little

891
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Alamo over there with all kinds of

892
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,560
stuff going on, so Neighborhoods we have

893
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,600
to date, it's uh yeah, North Side,

894
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,920
downtown, we're into the Stockade,

895
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,080
um

896
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,000
Center State there that we got. So, test

897
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,080
my neighborhood knowledge in general.

898
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,920
Um

899
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,440
yeah, that's the lion's share there. I

900
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,000
think with you know,

901
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,840
uh

902
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,200
what's happening today, they're going to

903
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,840
be you know, beneficial to all the

904
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,360
residents in Bellevue area, so

905
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,480
thank you for what you're doing.

906
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Uh any other questions or comments?

907
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,640
I think my uh one question just came to

908
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,440
the uh accurate reflection of immediate

909
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,200
expenses. I know it said the application

910
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,480
fee was $250. Um I also recognize that

911
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,440
there was a 1% commitment fee and

912
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,880
expenses. Can you talk to us some of

913
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,520
those uh additional costs or what the

914
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,480
estimates could potentially be? I

915
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,840
believe the $250 will come out of my

916
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,640
department. Um

917
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
and yeah, any other fees that really

918
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,240
need to get reconciled, I'll

919
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,440
kind of probably take from my

920
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,720
department. All right.

921
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,200
Mr. Chair. Just as I'm thinking out

922
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,880
loud, I'm I'm very excited for Bellevue

923
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,000
getting it as there are the plans that I

924
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,400
heard you say that different areas

925
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,080
already have and you know, we're excited

926
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,680
to build we have.

927
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,360
Are there plans in ways to look toward

928
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Hamilton Hill and then to extend that

929
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Bellevue into Mount Pleasant as well? I

930
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,240
think that's the connection. Hamilton

931
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,960
Hill is covered

932
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,120
already.

933
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Into Mount Pleasant, so this is kind of

934
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,040
taking from downtown building out.

935
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,280
So,

936
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,760
Bellevue becomes the next

937
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,840
through

938
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,240
with this grant, and the last

939
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,800
section we do is Woodlawn.

940
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Okay.

941
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,640
And those lines don't quite

942
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,880
line up perfectly with the perceived

943
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,760
neighborhoods, but

944
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,520
trying to build it out. And again, this

945
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,080
has two platforms. One is the public

946
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,360
side, and then there's the secure side

947
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,440
that's used to support police, fire, and

948
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,120
other municipals

949
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,880
municipal services.

950
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,120
Thank you. And then just for clarity,

951
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,680
you said these uh those expenses I

952
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,440
mentioned, you should be able to use

953
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,040
your funds coming from your department,

954
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,760
correct? This will largely use up the

955
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,359
remainder of the smart city money that

956
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:54,480
has been budgeted in the past.

957
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,320
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

958
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,960
Uh if there are no further questions or

959
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,200
comments, uh may I entertain a motion?

960
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,760
I'll make a motion. I will second. All

961
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,160
those in favor?

962
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,440
Aye. Aye.

963
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,160
Are there any other items to come before

964
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,280
the Finance Committee? May I have a

965
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,760
motion to adjourn?

966
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,480
Motion. I will second. All those in

967
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,640
favor?

968
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,240
Aye. We are adjourned. Thank you.

969
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,070
We can turn off.

970
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,960
Perfect. I'd like to call to order City

971
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Development and Planning. We have 18

972
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,920
items for discussion.

973
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,600
The first of which is a call for public

974
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,720
hearing regarding the zoning of battery

975
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:37,070
energy storage systems. Ms. Carver.

976
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,760
Good evening again.

977
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,040
Uh we came before City Council in

978
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,640
December, and we did refer it to the

979
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,840
county. Uh we're asking to amend the

980
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,747
zoning code to include

981
00:54:50,757 --> 00:54:51,400
» [laughter]

982
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,320
>> battery energy injured battery energy

983
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,880
storage systems.

984
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,200
Forgive [laughter] me.

985
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,000
Uh today we're asking City Council just

986
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,760
to consider that addition um

987
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,720
to the code. And the attach was the

988
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,760
referral and the draft of the

989
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,080
legislation from my corporation counsel

990
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,240
for your consideration. Thank you. Any

991
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,320
questions or comments? Mr. Chair, once

992
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,640
again, Ms. Carver, thank you so much for

993
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,800
your for your team getting this back to

994
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,840
us super quickly. BESS is beyond needed,

995
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,160
especially as we see across the state

996
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,359
with what's going on with energy costs.

997
00:55:22,359 --> 00:55:23,480
Um everything's costs are going up, so

998
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:24,880
being able to have this, being able to

999
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,560
employ it inside those peak hours that

1000
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:27,760
we need it most in the city has been

1001
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,359
helping people with driving their bills

1002
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:30,720
back down.

1003
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,600
Um so, though I'm not on the committee,

1004
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,920
I vote for it. I mean, full support of

1005
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,120
being able to have that battery

1006
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,880
technology that we can use it as we

1007
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,720
need.

1008
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:40,390
Thank you.

1009
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,920
Mr. Chairman, just a follow-up. You just

1010
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,080
We seek a seeker resolution to go along

1011
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,359
as it's amending the zoning code.

1012
00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:49,240
The seeker it's a non

1013
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,000
non-listed action. So, that will be the

1014
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,680
companion piece of legislation, the new

1015
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,440
ordinance that's already been before

1016
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,720
you. It's been to the Planning

1017
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,160
Committee, it's been to the county, so

1018
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,920
it's ready for a final vote. Perfect. Uh

1019
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,200
if there are no other questions or

1020
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,960
concerns, may I have a motion? I'll make

1021
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,760
a motion. I will second. All those in

1022
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:05,800
favor?

1023
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,120
Aye. Aye.

1024
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,560
Uh the next item for discussion is the

1025
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,160
recognition of Arbor Day in the city of

1026
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,560
Schenectady. Ms. Carver. Um no longer

1027
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,200
still, each year we recognize Arbor Day.

1028
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,680
This supports our community partners

1029
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,120
that do the work um around preserving

1030
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,359
trees and green space within the city of

1031
00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:23,880
Schenectady. So, the recommendation

1032
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,880
today is um that City Council consider

1033
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,880
marking April 24th

1034
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,270
Arbor Day.

1035
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,400
Perfect. And I believe uh there's no

1036
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,000
ceremonial action that we need to take

1037
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,630
as a council, correct?

1038
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,000
Perfect. Okay. I believe they're looking

1039
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,240
to present it at another day

1040
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,560
with re-treeing

1041
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,920
some of the other

1042
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,760
activities. Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh

1043
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,840
if there are no further questions or

1044
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,440
comments, may I have a motion? I'll make

1045
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,794
a motion. I will second. All

1046
00:56:59,794 --> 00:57:02,560
[clears throat] those in favor? Aye.

1047
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,800
The next item for discussion, thank you.

1048
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,800
is award bid contract for the signage

1049
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,920
and wayfinding bid.

1050
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,800
The base bid and alternative number one

1051
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,120
to Grafton Data Systems Incorporated in

1052
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,950
the total amount of $218,482.50.

1053
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Mr. Falcone. Okay. Mr. Falcone is on

1054
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,560
vacation, so he's asked me to present

1055
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,880
this to you today.

1056
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Um

1057
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,040
the low bid will be awarded to the

1058
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,359
second bidder.

1059
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:28,880
Uh the low bid was an incomplete

1060
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,160
package, so it was rejected by um the

1061
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,359
Purchasing Department. The low bid will

1062
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:35,560
now go to um

1063
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,720
uh

1064
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,760
the data Grafton Data Systems in the

1065
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,750
amount of $218,480.50.

1066
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,359
And this is the um the design locations

1067
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:46,359
and the contents of the sign were

1068
00:57:46,359 --> 00:57:47,720
decided by the Finance Committee,

1069
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,960
including members of Metroplex, the SIC,

1070
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,000
the first meeting with the local

1071
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,120
business community for the areas around

1072
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,590
downtown, Little Harbor, and

1073
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,400
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

1074
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,720
Hearing none, may I have a motion?

1075
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,960
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1076
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,960
Thank you.

1077
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,440
The next item for discussion is a call

1078
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,359
for public hearing, amendment of section

1079
00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:12,440
9-2 of the Schenectady City Code. Ms.

1080
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,080
Brouse. Um

1081
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,560
Mr. Chairman, I'll take this one. Um

1082
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,880
this is a follow-up on the appointment

1083
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,480
on the resolution from a couple of weeks

1084
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,480
ago, snafu on my part regarding the names there, but as a follow-up to

1085
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,480
that,

1086
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,200
um

1087
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,160
in to conform with the the the

1088
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,480
amendments to state law, our ordinance

1089
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,880
needs to be changed as far as the

1090
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,640
membership amount and the membership

1091
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,560
um

1092
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,600
who are the membership should come from.

1093
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,280
You have a draft piece of legislation

1094
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,920
there. The underlying materials are the new language. No less than nine

1095
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,920
members, no more than 15 members,

1096
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,560
staggered over 3 years. 3 years is what

1097
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,840
our our city code has, and that goes

1098
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,040
into the next part of regarding the

1099
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,080
actual appointments. And then the new

1100
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,640
language uh

1101
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,040
um the deleted language was at least uh

1102
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,200
after the word "least", seven members of

1103
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,240
the committee must be uh

1104
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,640
the owners of uh property within the

1105
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,320
district and such and and or agents of

1106
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,840
such owners.

1107
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520
The uh law was changed and to say

1108
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,480
three-quarters of the then uh uh

1109
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,280
current complement of committee members

1110
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,840
shall be owners of assessable real

1111
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,480
property within the special assessment

1112
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,040
district or agents of such owners. So,

1113
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,960
we had to

1114
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,920
in order to conform with the state law

1115
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,640
changes, we're amending our ordinance

1116
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,760
accordingly. So, therefore, it has to be

1117
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,520
go for a public hearing regarding those

1118
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,640
changes to conform to the law.

1119
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,600
Thank you.

1120
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,480
Any questions or comments?

1121
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,200
Hearing none, may I have a motion?

1122
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,320
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1123
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,160
The next item for discussion is the

1124
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,480
appointments to the Board of Downtown

1125
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Schenectady Improvement Corporation, Mr.

1126
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,560
Mayor.

1127
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Again, this is being carried forward to

1128
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,480
comply with that change.

1129
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,160
The first name is forward and uh

1130
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,600
I don't know if this has to be called

1131
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,640
No, it doesn't. It's we we we

1132
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,120
just doesn't have to be changed. But,

1133
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,840
the the resolution will have the actual

1134
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,320
names. We can go forward with the

1135
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,640
appointment resolution.

1136
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,840
It includes the the the terms of their

1137
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,600
appointment and then we can have the

1138
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,040
resolution for the public hearing and

1139
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,800
then the ordinance can be amended, but

1140
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,760
that's later days.

1141
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,800
It's clear all those

1142
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,960
names are either residents in the

1143
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,520
district or representatives of property

1144
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,880
owners.

1145
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,480
Perfect. Thank you.

1146
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,360
Uh if there are no questions or

1147
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,720
comments, may I have a motion?

1148
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,600
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1149
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,920
The next item for discussion is the

1150
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,800
appointment to Civilian Police Review

1151
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Board, Mr. Mayor.

1152
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,600
Again, you want that held for

1153
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,360
2 weeks.

1154
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,840
Um so, I I think we can proceed with the

1155
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,280
SMHA

1156
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
uh SMHA

1157
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,400
recommendation. I

1158
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,080
had conversations with the NAACP. They

1159
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,560
are recommending someone and I think you

1160
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,560
might have that in your inbox right now.

1161
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,600
Um I was leaning towards um reaching out

1162
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,360
to the Sycamore Collaborative. After

1163
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,880
talking to uh Mr. Aldo, they have an

1164
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,080
individual in mind that they would like

1165
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,400
to proceed with.

1166
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,520
Um

1167
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:23,880
I don't know if there's an ex officio

1168
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,440
member that we could potentially put

1169
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,520
certain name.

1170
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,000
Uh

1171
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,880
Not her name.

1172
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,280
Miss Snear.

1173
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,000
And at least to get them on to the

1174
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,240
board. I think if you're in agreement

1175
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,480
with that, we could proceed moving

1176
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,200
forward.

1177
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,280
This point, your call. Move ahead with

1178
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,960
it, it's fine. We can hold it.

1179
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,280
All right. Um

1180
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,000
so, Mr. Mayor, if you're in agreement

1181
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,080
with us proceeding with the SMHA

1182
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,000
recommendation and then proceeding with

1183
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,560
the prior NAACP recommendation, moving

1184
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
them into the ex officio uh

1185
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,040
agency.

1186
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,560
Yep. All right. Uh Mr. Mayor, do you

1187
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,097
have any comments?

1188
01:02:01,097 --> 01:02:02,240
>> [clears throat]

1189
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,560
>> Um

1190
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,120
Is there a motion? Yeah, I'll make the

1191
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,000
motion. I will second. All those in

1192
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,560
favor? Aye.

1193
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,280
Uh the next item for discussion is a

1194
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,880
ceremonial resolution honoring the

1195
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,840
Ladies Ancient Order of Hibernians, Mr.

1196
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,360
Mayor. Yes, thank you. So, uh I think

1197
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,840
the staff put it on there. I think I put

1198
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,880
it in last 2 weeks ago. Anyway, the uh

1199
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,680
resolutions are done. I'll be presenting

1200
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,600
it

1201
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,200
um on April 18th down at the Edison. Um

1202
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,080
from what I understand, one of the uh

1203
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,080
highest members of Ladies Ancient Order

1204
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,760
of Hibernians from Ireland will be

1205
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,800
there. There's a mass at 5:00 at St.

1206
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,440
Luke's Church.

1207
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:40,360
And

1208
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,280
then followed by the uh a 1:00 mass at

1209
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,680
St. Luke's Church and followed by the

1210
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,280
celebration

1211
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,600
of 125 years down at the Edison Club.

1212
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:50,520
That's it.

1213
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,640
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

1214
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,360
Hearing none, may I have a motion?

1215
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,840
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1216
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,480
And then just to go back to the

1217
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,680
appointments to the Civilian Police

1218
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,040
Review Board, there was an individual we

1219
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,480
um inadvertently skipped over, Megan

1220
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,200
Hasek from the League of Women Voters.

1221
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,720
Um Corporation Counsel, we can include

1222
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,800
that.

1223
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,528
Okay.

1224
01:03:10,528 --> 01:03:10,720
>> [clears throat]

1225
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,120
>> As well. If we can have the the names in

1226
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,600
Yes, we can do

1227
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,800
So, Mr. Mayor, there's three names? Yes.

1228
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,600
Uh would you like us to move that as

1229
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,400
well? Um just amend the previous one.

1230
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,160
Move to amend the previously adopted

1231
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,480
resolution. Okay. Uh motion to amend the

1232
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,760
previously adopted.

1233
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,480
Yep. All right. So, I will second. All

1234
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,240
those in favor?

1235
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,600
>> Aye.

1236
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,360
Thank you.

1237
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,840
Uh the next item is going to be a

1238
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,760
ceremonial resolution recognizing Earth

1239
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,240
Day, Mr. Cheers. Uh yeah, so you know,

1240
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,320
Earth Day is a big national event. It

1241
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,400
was originally established in 1970 by uh

1242
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,440
Senator Nelson.

1243
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,840
We're going to be having a celebration

1244
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,120
at Central Park as well as there's

1245
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,800
cleanups scheduled all over the park.

1246
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,920
Also, they're all around the city of

1247
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,840
Schenectady for that day.

1248
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,840
Um we will be at the Central Park event

1249
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,200
and coordinate with them to present this

1250
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,040
resolution with them at the Central Park

1251
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,960
after the program in the morning.

1252
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Any questions or comments?

1253
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,880
Hearing none, may I entertain a motion?

1254
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,600
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1255
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,920
The next item for discussion is

1256
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,720
ceremonial resolution

1257
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,400
uh You, Me, and Poetry Festival,

1258
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,240
Literacy, Liberation, and Community, Mr.

1259
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,040
Cheers. As some of you know, that this

1260
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,200
is National Poetry Month and we do have

1261
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,880
our city and our local Schenectady Poet

1262
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,480
Laureate who's hosting an event. He was

1263
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,560
here at the other committee meeting

1264
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,240
talking about his event. It is a

1265
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,840
festival that goes spans over several

1266
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,000
days from April 29th to end of National

1267
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,240
uh Poetry Month to May 2nd, which is a

1268
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,760
Saturday. I'm looking to present him and

1269
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,359
the entire group that's been helping him

1270
01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:40,200
with the You, Me, and Poetry uh

1271
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,960
celebration at May 2nd 6:00 p.m. event

1272
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,390
at Proctors Theater.

1273
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Thank you.

1274
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,520
Any questions or comments? I entertain a

1275
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:52,520
motion.

1276
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,400
I will second. All those in favor? Aye.

1277
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,160
And the next item is going to be

1278
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,880
Excuse me. Call for public hearing

1279
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,800
adopting a community police hiring

1280
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,760
panel, Mr. Cheers. Uh those of you that

1281
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,040
know that Schenectady has put on the map

1282
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,520
by Mr. Will Rivas for his initiative

1283
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,160
with the new hire panel allowing for

1284
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,600
community residents and organizations to

1285
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,440
be a part of the hiring process for our

1286
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,240
new officers that come in transferring

1287
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,480
or want to get in to SPD. Uh this

1288
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,000
program has proven successful. It's a

1289
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,600
great partnership with the police force.

1290
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,320
I believe that myself and Chief Mason,

1291
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,680
our conversation we had, we'd like to

1292
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,960
see this continue to live on even if Mr.

1293
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,200
Rivas has to step away at any point. I

1294
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,359
believe that it gives the community a

1295
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:35,120
voice and opportunity to continue to

1296
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,280
work and see who's going to be

1297
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,920
protecting and policing their areas. So,

1298
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,640
with this public hearing, we'd like to

1299
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:42,960
amend the code to make sure that this

1300
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,000
continues beyond

1301
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,960
um just the initiative and becomes part

1302
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,280
of the city standard.

1303
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

1304
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,960
So, just to confirm, it was an

1305
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,240
initiative that was put forward by the

1306
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,000
council or by No, this individual had

1307
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,560
worked with the council in collaboration

1308
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,480
before 2020 to 2021. I'm starting it in

1309
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,320
multiple Two members of this council had

1310
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,120
sat on the new hire panel as well to

1311
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,640
various degrees, myself included when I

1312
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,720
was an NAACP member.

1313
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,520
Um and now we are looking to ratify this

1314
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:13,960
pretty much in to make sure that it

1315
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,000
continues to go forward. Okay.

1316
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,640
Uh Mr. Mayor.

1317
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,440
I incorporated that in the hiring

1318
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,760
review. You can't do anything to

1319
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,160
minimize my authority to hire police

1320
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,160
officers during the term of office. So,

1321
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,240
if you want to formalize this or do

1322
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,160
something that

1323
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,000
hinders that ability or puts a

1324
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000
restriction on it has taken effect in

1325
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:44,150
January of 28.

1326
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:44,880
And

1327
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,440
>> And I fully support this panel. We've

1328
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,200
brought it in. We've made it part of the

1329
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,640
process. It's been extremely successful.

1330
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,600
But,

1331
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:53,920
again,

1332
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,560
sometimes I disagree with the council in

1333
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,280
terms of where the lines are drawn in

1334
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,760
terms of the authority.

1335
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Mr. Mayor, I want to apologize to you

1336
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,840
that indeed did not intend to step over

1337
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,320
the line on this one in any way or to

1338
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,080
mitigate what's been done or currently

1339
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,680
in practice

1340
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,160
uh that we use right this second. So, I

1341
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,640
didn't look at it in a way of mitigating

1342
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,800
your power of hiring um because we use

1343
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,240
it right this second. So, I do

1344
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,160
apologize, but I would have no problem

1345
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,920
amending it if Corporation Counsel to

1346
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,760
take effect in 2028 if that's something

1347
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,920
that needs to be done. Or Mr. Brian. Uh

1348
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,640
members of the council and and and

1349
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,040
mayor,

1350
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,480
the mayor is the appointing authority

1351
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,120
pursuant to the city charter. So, any

1352
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,920
sort of changes in that will have to be

1353
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,600
amended by the city charter. So,

1354
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,320
however, this is a an an advisory

1355
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,760
committee, then and if and if you're

1356
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,040
looking as an advisory, but the mayor is

1357
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,880
still having his authority under the

1358
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,080
charter and it's just an advisory. In

1359
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,400
other words,

1360
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,440
taking what you have now, but just

1361
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,280
putting in the code would still giving

1362
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,160
leaving the mayor's authority the same.

1363
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,680
Um we would have to draft legislation

1364
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,400
that actually

1365
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,240
put that before you and then call for

1366
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,000
the public hearing if we're going to

1367
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,040
amend the ordinance. So, we need some

1368
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,080
time and Mr. Cheers, if you've got some

1369
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,280
language, we could do that and then look

1370
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,359
at what is currently being used, but

1371
01:08:12,359 --> 01:08:13,640
understanding that the mayor has the

1372
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,839
authority as for hiring and and firing

1373
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:18,640
pursuant to the city charter. And if

1374
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,799
it's just an advisory board in whatever

1375
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,160
context it's currently being used,

1376
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,520
that's what you're looking at. Is Is

1377
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,520
that That that is correct. So, we're not

1378
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,759
looking to to change what we have or to

1379
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,280
mitigate the mayor's authority in any

1380
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,600
way to make sure that this initiative

1381
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,359
doesn't disappear if Mr. Rivas chooses

1382
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:35,680
not to head it up right now. He's the

1383
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,759
top person on the new hire panel that

1384
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,520
runs it. We'd like to make sure it lives

1385
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,040
on past him if he chooses to step away

1386
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,120
at any point as we think it's a vital

1387
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,200
I rephrase my statement. As I believe it

1388
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,240
is a vital step in making sure that the

1389
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,719
community has the say in saying who's

1390
01:08:49,719 --> 01:08:52,759
coming in to police their area.

1391
01:08:52,759 --> 01:08:54,759
I at no point was trying to take

1392
01:08:54,759 --> 01:08:56,200
authority away from the mayor or

1393
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,719
supersede the code of our city charter.

1394
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,319
So, I'm perfectly fine with working with

1395
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,759
the mayor's office and you in creating

1396
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:03,319
language to make sure that his power is

1397
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,319
not mitigated and the advisory board

1398
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,280
remains and remains successful going

1399
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,719
forward past Mr. Rivas

1400
01:09:09,719 --> 01:09:10,520
if that makes sense.

1401
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,160
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

1402
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,280
And then if there are no further

1403
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,560
questions or comments, what I would like

1404
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,359
to add to that is I support putting in

1405
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,359
place just structured and legislative

1406
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,200
backing. I think everyone to the point

1407
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,680
of the conversation right now is in

1408
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,319
agreement, but as of now, it's just kind

1409
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,920
of ad hoc. There's no formal legislation

1410
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,480
beyond the desire to have this

1411
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:31,799
panel

1412
01:09:31,799 --> 01:09:34,240
staffed with willing and ready members

1413
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,560
of our community.

1414
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,520
So, I appreciate Mr. Chairs for taking

1415
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,920
the initiative to head this and look

1416
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,240
forward to seeing something included in

1417
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,080
the code that supports the mayor's

1418
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,720
authority but puts in a clear

1419
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,000
understanding so that the community can

1420
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,319
understand what this panel is charged

1421
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,880
with doing and how we ensure that it

1422
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,120
lives beyond any individual.

1423
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,200
Mr. Alston. Just a reminder of what Mr.

1424
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,880
Bryan said, can you

1425
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,320
provide our office with information that

1426
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,720
you'd like included so that we can put

1427
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,000
something together? I will certainly

1428
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,630
can. Thank you.

1429
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,320
So, at this next step recommendation for

1430
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,400
having this back.

1431
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:19,030
Can you solution?

1432
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,880
The next item for discussion will be

1433
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,640
discussion of city code chapter 161.21

1434
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,600
public collection and disposal of solid

1435
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,760
waste and next steps.

1436
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,320
Our last committee meeting we had

1437
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,960
very, very open and productive

1438
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,840
conversation of next steps

1439
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,240
for recommendations to Mr. Mayor and Mr.

1440
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,840
Lafond. I think at this time do not you

1441
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,200
have any of those findings to present to

1442
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,430
the council.

1443
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,510
And I do um

1444
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,360
And I did send a couple of questions

1445
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,000
over and

1446
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,160
sat down with some members of the

1447
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,520
waste department also the commission one

1448
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,360
and trying to come up with something

1449
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,000
that would make a little bit more sense.

1450
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,280
Um

1451
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,640
But the still the decision is going to

1452
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,640
be on the city council on that day. The

1453
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,880
current rate is $422.50

1454
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,400
per unit. That's what we're charging

1455
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,560
currently.

1456
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,440
And there is no limit on the amount of

1457
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,720
trash that's put outside for us to pick

1458
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,920
up.

1459
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,080
There is a 45 gallon limit on the cans

1460
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,160
that is currently in the

1461
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,920
within the bargaining and so we got

1462
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,920
entries from our staff.

1463
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,280
If you look at that and you make some

1464
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:31,960
arrangements, what my recommendation

1465
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,120
would be and again this is a

1466
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,040
recommendation, would be to stay with

1467
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,840
the 45 or possibly a little 50 gallon

1468
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,000
can trash. That would allow anywhere

1469
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,040
maybe 50 would allow maybe seven bags.

1470
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,680
45 you can really get five bags in

1471
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:44,709
there.

1472
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:45,040
>> [clears throat]

1473
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,360
>> Um at the rate that they're currently

1474
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,880
paying the $422.50.

1475
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,160
Um

1476
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,160
The question would become now again

1477
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,360
about 22,000 units. And that would

1478
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,400
equate to about 3.5 million dollars to

1479
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,760
purchase two cans, one recycle can and

1480
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,840
one trash can for every unit.

1481
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,680
Now the

1482
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,680
residents of the units that need two

1483
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,840
cans or three cans because they have

1484
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,440
larger families,

1485
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,080
um those are additional cans that would

1486
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,200
have to be purchased and they would have

1487
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,320
to pay for those cans just like an

1488
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,720
outside commercial person does. So, we

1489
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,840
provide one can. If you've got all bags

1490
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:18,840
of trash every week, you're going to

1491
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,040
need two cans. You're going to have to

1492
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,160
pay for that because it's additional

1493
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,000
trash and the city's currently paying

1494
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,070
for that $2.50.

1495
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,640
Bulk items

1496
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,960
and going back to cans again when they

1497
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,600
get damaged, we're going to have to have

1498
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,640
an inventory. So, you would probably

1499
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,200
think that if they are damaged, these

1500
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,720
are heavy duty cans. This is based on a

1501
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,800
$79 can.

1502
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,920
If you look at and research the cans,

1503
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,840
the weighted cans with the flip lid and

1504
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,560
the wheels even at 50 gallons will range

1505
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,720
from low range

1506
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,760
$60 to $155 a can. So, if you you put a

1507
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,880
bulk order and you get them for 125,

1508
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,560
you're talking about 5.something million

1509
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,480
dollars just in the available cans for

1510
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:03,840
the units we have. No additional cans

1511
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,640
for anybody who wants a third can or

1512
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,400
fourth can. And we would have to keep

1513
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,680
some cans in stock so when they're

1514
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,080
damaged, they can be returned.

1515
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,080
Bulk items which seems to be a a subject

1516
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,640
suspended right now. We did look at

1517
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,440
doing maybe one to two bulk items per

1518
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,080
unit once per month. If you did one,

1519
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,000
that's 12 bulk items a month. If you did

1520
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,200
two, that's 24. That's a lot of bulk

1521
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,360
items, okay? And that would be part of

1522
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:35,000
the the current fee structure $422 and 50 cents.

1523
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,560
And we would look at doing one bulk one

1524
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,720
bulk and then next month you put

1525
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,720
another.

1526
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,150
Um

1527
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,800
The two and three personal did talk to

1528
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,080
some of the residents,

1529
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,880
um some of the landlords.

1530
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,480
Um

1531
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,000
we could offer what we would call a

1532
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,600
premium service. So,

1533
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,320
rentals that we know people come in,

1534
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,720
they move.

1535
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,800
Landlord puts everything out. They have

1536
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,480
you know, they have furniture that they

1537
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,160
buy and then they don't want it. It all

1538
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,280
comes out on the curb. Landlord could

1539
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,400
purchase a premium service. It would be

1540
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,480
a fee that would be determined and that

1541
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:10,480
would be

1542
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,240
delineated by a different color can. So,

1543
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,520
if you had an apartment building with

1544
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,800
two units

1545
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,280
and you want us to take everything and

1546
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,000
there might be five bulk items that are

1547
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,440
there's a prepaid fee per year. Whatever

1548
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,600
it comes out to is it $590, $600 a year

1549
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,000
per unit. And then when those we know

1550
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,040
there's a

1551
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,680
green can there,

1552
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,120
we know those units are paying for that

1553
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,520
premium service and we'll pick up all

1554
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,840
the bulk items. So, that way it's

1555
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,920
understood. If you look at doing bulk

1556
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,200
items just once a month, anything out

1557
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,560
there, you're going to have the same

1558
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,800
problem you have now. Everybody and

1559
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:42,920
their brother's going to bring it all to

1560
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,680
their friends, relatives. They're just

1561
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:45,600
going to put it all out there because

1562
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,080
it's going for free. If you limit it,

1563
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,880
it's only going to be maybe one bulk

1564
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,640
item or two bulk items.

1565
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,560
Um

1566
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,160
The transfer station's already done.

1567
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,280
It's always available for us. So, if you

1568
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,080
clean out your garage and you got a

1569
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,320
bunch of stuff,

1570
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,720
you can go down to the transfer station,

1571
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,600
dispose of it. But there is a fee even

1572
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,240
on the transfer station because

1573
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,800
everything that goes to the landfill has

1574
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,120
a cost.

1575
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:12,510
You know, somebody's paying for that.

1576
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,200
And and

1577
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,640
I know it's not going to be decided this

1578
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,840
year. It would go on the 27 calendar

1579
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,280
where we could put the bulk items like

1580
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,920
we did with the white goods.

1581
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Certain a month we do white goods,

1582
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,680
another day a month we do the bulk items

1583
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,960
and you put two out, we take it.

1584
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,200
Um

1585
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,600
But again, there's an initial upfront

1586
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,200
cost. If you look at doing anything

1587
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,640
bigger,

1588
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,800
the cost on modifying the trucks gets

1589
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,440
really way up there.

1590
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,000
We have four trucks right now that have

1591
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,400
the hook on the back to pick up a can.

1592
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,880
Um but we typically put out about nine

1593
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,840
trucks. The other thing the bulk item

1594
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:50,600
would do is we can start to separate. We pay fees for yard waste. Yard waste

1595
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,960
season's started. So, we have a yard

1596
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,400
waste We have two yard waste trucks out

1597
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,000
there every day picking up just yard

1598
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,880
waste. We pay the county to dispose of

1599
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,880
that.

1600
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,720
We pick up trash. We pay a rate to get

1601
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,560
rid of trash. We have usually eight to

1602
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,680
nine trucks out with trash and we have

1603
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,440
recycle trucks out. We pay a higher rate

1604
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,400
to get rid of recycle. What we would do

1605
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:08,920
is put a truck out once a month to pick

1606
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,560
up the bulk items so we can now track

1607
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,240
what we're really picking up in tonnage

1608
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,600
for bulk items versus trash versus

1609
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,920
recycle versus yard waste.

1610
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,200
We'll have that data to make decisions

1611
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,950
in the future.

1612
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,600
But again, if you want to put a working

1613
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,440
group together to further do, discuss

1614
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:29,600
it.

1615
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,400
We have some time because these changes

1616
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,720
are going to take a while. And we do

1617
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,120
something with a can, it does prevent

1618
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,720
there's an one extra bag or two extra

1619
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,000
bags to get charged, be read a

1620
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,480
violation. It's in the can, the top is

1621
01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:47,510
down, that's what we take.

1622
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,440
Thank Mr. Lafond. Would you be able to

1623
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,280
supply that those recommendations to the

1624
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,000
council? Sure, I can present out the

1625
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,080
email to you.

1626
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,400
That's my cue.

1627
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,560
Um

1628
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,760
Before we get into questions and answer

1629
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,400
if you don't mind staying up front,

1630
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,840
I did have the opportunity to talk to

1631
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,640
Mr. Lund part of which is Mr. Toro and I

1632
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,360
attended the slick meeting where I

1633
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,360
wasn't able to stay for his

1634
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,040
presentation.

1635
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,840
But sincerely this scope of time, he

1636
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,080
said one of his recommendation

1637
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,280
recommendations at that was two-tier

1638
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,400
approach

1639
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,720
wanting to incorporate a lot of the

1640
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,680
feedback from the landlords about how do

1641
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,440
we continue if we love the

1642
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:24,960
ability to put everything out as

1643
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,400
previously. So, tier one if you can

1644
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,680
follow me is everything and that come

1645
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,920
with a cost. That would essentially be

1646
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,240
that premium program you're talking

1647
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,840
about. And then the tier two would

1648
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,640
incorporate a mixture of the 45 gallon

1649
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,120
cans and then two bulk items per pick

1650
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,040
up.

1651
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,160
Part of that was the assumption that

1652
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,360
this technology that we recently that we

1653
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,760
just were presented with has the ability

1654
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,920
to look at any households that are not

1655
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,480
meeting with the threshold of tier one

1656
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:53,800
or tier two.

1657
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,840
Um and then wanting to also include the

1658
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,320
potential to incorporate multiple

1659
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,200
pickups for our commercial

1660
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,400
uh commercial

1661
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,960
spaces as well.

1662
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,600
So, I know just put it on you right now.

1663
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,640
Um

1664
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,960
He was fairly confident that they could

1665
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,360
build that your department could build a

1666
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,800
fee structure with that in mind.

1667
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,920
Is that something that we take into We

1668
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,120
currently have a fee structure for what

1669
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,360
we'll call commercial which is four

1670
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,880
units or more. So, we do offer a

1671
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,480
commercial

1672
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:23,240
trash removal for apartment buildings

1673
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,480
with four or more.

1674
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:26,200
Um

1675
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,760
With the ones, twos, and threes, it's

1676
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,120
just typically the $422

1677
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,440
times one times two times three.

1678
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:34,440
But you know, we what we do is we seem

1679
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:36,800
to get the jackpots where we got an

1680
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,719
excessive amount of waste. And by doing

1681
01:18:39,719 --> 01:18:41,080
the premium package where people are

1682
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,600
paying in advance, we know we may get

1683
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,719
the excessive amount now and then if a

1684
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,040
tenant moves in or moves out, but the

1685
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,719
landlord is paying for that. So, we'll

1686
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:49,719
take that.

1687
01:18:49,719 --> 01:18:51,719
Uh and again, it's

1688
01:18:51,719 --> 01:18:53,560
I think it's more simplified if

1689
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,760
those accounts are just you know,

1690
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,120
delineated by a specific color garbage

1691
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,080
can. Our guys know if there's a red

1692
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,040
garbage can there, we're taking it all

1693
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,280
because they paid for it. Um

1694
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:05,640
Everybody else,

1695
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,600
it's you know, you're going to get a

1696
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,920
recycle can and whether it's a 45 gallon

1697
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,000
can

1698
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:10,719
um

1699
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:12,120
and it's easy to keep them the same.

1700
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,240
They put the sticker on it, that's a

1701
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,880
recycle can. The other one's going to be

1702
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:16,800
I think

1703
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,280
I'd like to look at a 50 gallon can and

1704
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,960
see if we can make arrangements that

1705
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,600
gives everybody a little

1706
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,440
couple bags extra. Um

1707
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:26,560
But that's it. The lids are closed.

1708
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,640
The you know, raccoons are out of it,

1709
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:29,920
the skunks are out of it, the cats are

1710
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,120
out of it. That's what we take. And it's

1711
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,360
going to [clears throat] take more time

1712
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,160
because by taking can on every stop, the

1713
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,520
can has to be put back on the curb.

1714
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,720
Where a lot of times you know you'll see

1715
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,560
our guys grab bags. They'll grab two,

1716
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,080
three, four bags at a time and they're

1717
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,400
going to the truck and throw them in.

1718
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,760
They don't have to go back to the curb

1719
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:45,600
line.

1720
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,440
So it will add

1721
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,680
cost, whether it's through manpower or

1722
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,880
extra time. It's going to take us more

1723
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,080
time to you know, to dump this trash and

1724
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,680
get it off the curb and return those

1725
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,880
cans. Because now you got Everybody's

1726
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,560
going to have at least two cans.

1727
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,280
Where right now there's just bags and

1728
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:04,680
you know, they're They're good at what

1729
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,280
they do. They work hard, you know, and

1730
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,360
uh they hustle.

1731
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,720
So it will add some time and may

1732
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,880
increase our labor, may increase, you

1733
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:14,680
know,

1734
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,200
um a number of different trucks on the

1735
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,440
road. Maybe we can't do it with nine.

1736
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,360
Maybe we got to put, you know, bulk

1737
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,720
trucks out.

1738
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Um but it's going to be a learning

1739
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,710
curve.

1740
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,680
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

1741
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,200
Mr. Sears?

1742
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,800
He's a good guy.

1743
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,920
Go ahead.

1744
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,040
Um so and I'm I'm really speaking more I

1745
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,720
think mostly anecdotally but

1746
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,920
the increasing for like say can size to

1747
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,280
50. I know we had talked last committee

1748
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,800
meeting right before the COVID last 45.

1749
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,360
Make sure is that something that the

1750
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,240
union would be okay with increasing five

1751
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,280
like five gallons per We have to discuss

1752
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,360
it with them. Okay.

1753
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,080
I think

1754
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,560
you know, it's it's there to so they

1755
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:52,880
don't get hurt.

1756
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,360
Um but if these cans are on wheels and

1757
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,280
they're going to wheel the can to the

1758
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,200
truck and just take the bags out, then

1759
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,480
maybe it's possible that we go up to the 50 gallon can.

1760
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,040
Um

1761
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,560
you know, and it gives the the resident,

1762
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:04,400
you know,

1763
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,400
a little more available space to put

1764
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,840
some trash in.

1765
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,520
Is there any way that we could get that

1766
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,120
number as well? I know you had got it at

1767
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,760
79 and it would have changed the amount

1768
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,440
of the the cash amount for the lower No,

1769
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:16,360
because again, you know, if you look at

1770
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,320
it, but there are a couple like I said,

1771
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,360
there depends on the kind of can you

1772
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,280
want. You You don't want a can You need

1773
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,520
a the flip top so it stays here. It

1774
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,280
won't roll away. You need a can that is

1775
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,320
weighted. So again, it's not a long day

1776
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,440
at the road. So

1777
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,880
again, you can go towards the lower end

1778
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,920
of the cans around $79 or less. And you

1779
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,200
go to the upper end, you can go to $155

1780
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,240
per can for a 50 gallon can. If you look

1781
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,920
at $155, if we did bulk let's say we got

1782
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,360
them for 130, 125, we're still talking,

1783
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,040
you know, 10 million just to get every

1784
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:48,960
We're talking 5 million just to get

1785
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,560
everybody two cans.

1786
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:52,960
You know, homeowners as well, I need the

1787
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,920
extra can and I'm willing to pay the

1788
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,640
additional charge for trash.

1789
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:58,600
You know,

1790
01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:59,920
who's paying for the can? Is that going

1791
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,840
to be a one-time thing? And we're going

1792
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,280
to need spare cans in case they're

1793
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,400
damaged or

1794
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,960
you know, it's a big capital investment.

1795
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,960
Mr. Mayor.

1796
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,440
Um so I guess I just want to clarify a

1797
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,000
couple points.

1798
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,920
How many trucks right now do we collect

1799
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,680
recycling with?

1800
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,920
Two, sometimes three. Okay. Depending on

1801
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:20,720
the

1802
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,800
If we were to push recycling collection

1803
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,520
to twice a month instead of every week,

1804
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,160
would that free up some of the resources

1805
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,440
to be able to collect garbage on the

1806
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:29,800
other

1807
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,440
weeks? Do we collect that much recycling

1808
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,040
that we need it every We do collect a

1809
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,720
fair amount of recycling. For the people

1810
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,680
who recycle. Yes, okay. Yes, and we do

1811
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,040
pay

1812
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,640
You know, like four years ago, five

1813
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,560
years ago, recycling was free. There was

1814
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,080
no charge for it. We actually pay more

1815
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,320
now to dispose of recycling than we do

1816
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,280
the actual trash. Okay. So.

1817
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,000
And I guess I said at the beginning

1818
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,480
April 1st or first work day of April, we

1819
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,120
start yard waste. And there's typically

1820
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,920
two trucks out for yard waste. What

1821
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,280
we've been trying to do now is to put a

1822
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,600
cardboard truck out because technically

1823
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,400
cardboard is supposed to be separated,

1824
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,720
not part of the recycle. It's supposed

1825
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,440
to be flattened and tied. And what we

1826
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,720
did find is we found an opportunity to

1827
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,560
remove the cardboard from the recycle

1828
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,960
stream because we pay per ton. Cardboard

1829
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,400
can get heavy. There's a lot of

1830
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,360
cardboard out because of, you know,

1831
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:16,960
um

1832
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,120
everybody getting home deliveries.

1833
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,000
Um so we are We did find a revenue

1834
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,720
source for cardboard. It's not much, but

1835
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,920
it's $20 a ton. So if we keep it out,

1836
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,240
we're disposing of that separately and

1837
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,320
getting $20 a ton. But if you think

1838
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,040
about it, it's also offsetting the

1839
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,920
hundred and some dollar per seventy some

1840
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,800
dollars a ton that we're paying to get

1841
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:35,840
rid of.

1842
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,440
So again, that's two more trucks. That's

1843
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,280
more people in more trucks. So

1844
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,280
everything we do to try and separate

1845
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,760
stuff, to keep it to separate trucks,

1846
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,440
um and Deputy Commissioner Lunn is

1847
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,520
looking at a grant right now.

1848
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,120
Um we possibly get what they call a

1849
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,000
split um box truck. You put recycle on

1850
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,920
one half, cardboard on the other. They

1851
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,520
dump separately. So we are looking into

1852
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,560
a grant to see if we could qualify to

1853
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,240
get a couple of those trucks.

1854
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,240
But that's going to be next year. So as

1855
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,880
decisions are made for next year,

1856
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,040
we'd be in a better place,

1857
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,080
more prepared for it.

1858
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,480
And just to follow up on that, you said

1859
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,120
that to modify current existing trucks

1860
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,840
is expensive. And then you said that

1861
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,080
four trucks we have right now were

1862
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,200
outfitted with the They do have a a book

1863
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,080
to hook on top of your can and to lift

1864
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,440
it. Just understand every time you do

1865
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,400
that, it's time.

1866
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:28,640
So if you went to a house that had four

1867
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,000
cans,

1868
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
you're going to lift one can at a time.

1869
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,320
At the speed of what that truck decides

1870
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:34,640
to lift it. And then put it down and

1871
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,000
pick up the next one.

1872
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,280
Um

1873
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,480
and that amount of time, our staff would

1874
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,400
probably be down another block picking

1875
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,400
up trash.

1876
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,000
Because it they're moving faster than

1877
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,360
that mechanical arm can pick that up on

1878
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,040
the back. It's not the one arm one you

1879
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,160
see up anymore. You know, this is right

1880
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:53,400
on the back with a hook. You got to hook

1881
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,600
it to the can, lift it up and dumps it.

1882
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,960
And it goes back down. You want to hook

1883
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,240
it hook another one manually. So.

1884
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,190
It's time consuming.

1885
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,280
Any other questions or comments?

1886
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,880
Uh so um in that same conversation I was

1887
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,840
having with Mr. Lunn, uh

1888
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,640
I think one of his recommendations was

1889
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,400
we have a sticker program where we are

1890
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,880
able to allow individuals that already

1891
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,440
have cans

1892
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:17,000
uh

1893
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,760
to ensure that as long as it had a lid

1894
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,680
attached to it, you could continue using

1895
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,120
that.

1896
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,000
So I think that could be

1897
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,600
Yeah. If we could have tried to

1898
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,040
accommodate it if we're going to

1899
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,840
standardize the cans

1900
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,840
again, you know, a flop lid and it has

1901
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,080
to be in the can and the lid is closed.

1902
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,400
And that's the amount of trash we would

1903
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,080
take.

1904
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,520
Uh so I think in the spirit of that,

1905
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,480
having options I think allows us to

1906
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:43,720
respond uh appropriately to anyone that

1907
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,840
prefers bags or people that prefer cans.

1908
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,880
I know it definitely is a

1909
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,280
um

1910
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,760
trash collection's impact varies between

1911
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,200
districts. Uh but needing to ensure that

1912
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,880
we are accommodating and not

1913
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,520
stereotyping any individuals is

1914
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,840
important to find that that balance. And

1915
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,840
I think with a tiered approach, I'm one

1916
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,240
vote. I think and we went to Slick.

1917
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,560
They're very open to maintaining and I

1918
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,280
can tell you from a a trash and just a

1919
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,440
presentation standpoint, I prefer the bin concept also. I do not prefer

1920
01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:16,240
the cost. Uh so I definitely recognize

1921
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:17,600
that is a big factor of it. But if

1922
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,680
people can incorporate what they

1923
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,000
currently do have with the expectation

1924
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,400
that some people will need to buy new

1925
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,880
cans,

1926
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,280
I think that we can realistically look

1927
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,760
at what that could look like and if you

1928
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,480
could build a fee structure for that.

1929
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:29,760
Mr. Mayor? Well, I was just going to

1930
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,680
follow up on that. Um

1931
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,680
I don't like the cost of having to buy

1932
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,640
bins. However, I think that

1933
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,040
if we were to move to telling homeowners

1934
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,360
that they had to have bins that with

1935
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,840
lids. Like I know with me specifically,

1936
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,080
I am getting ready to buy new garbage

1937
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,640
cans. So I'm going to buy the garbage

1938
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:47,560
cans that have wheels, that have the

1939
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,640
bins attached. So if we were to go to,

1940
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,040
you know, telling homeowners you're

1941
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,160
allowed two cans of that size,

1942
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,160
um

1943
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,320
I think that would be

1944
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,280
Only two cans is

1945
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,520
>> Yeah, but we're talking one one trash.

1946
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,840
Um

1947
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,760
but I do agree I'm not a fan of the cost

1948
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,080
of having to purchase bins for

1949
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,430
everybody.

1950
01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:11,280
And also one of the worries was as soon

1951
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,760
as we start allocating bins, this is not

1952
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,440
my thought, this is Mr. Mr. Lunn's and

1953
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:18,680
also Mr. Toro's, we are now required to

1954
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,600
replace them in X amount of years. So

1955
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,080
this cost does not go away and

1956
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,520
conceivably gets bigger as we

1957
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,200
continue to embrace this. So

1958
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,440
again, I think the the approach of

1959
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:30,960
leaning into homeowners, saying, "Hey,

1960
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,600
if you have a resource, you can use it

1961
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:33,960
if it's acceptable and if it meets the

1962
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,560
conditions." Um

1963
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,120
there was also the consideration of

1964
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,520
having the pickups be associated with

1965
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,520
white goods. And I think the worry was

1966
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,360
the volume could be too big and then you

1967
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:48,190
were then worrying about overtime.

1968
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,040
If If you do with the white goods again,

1969
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,520
you have to look at putting a limit on

1970
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,200
the bulk items because if there's no

1971
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,680
limit,

1972
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,760
you don't know what you're going to get.

1973
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,560
And And we know right now that, you

1974
01:27:58,560 --> 01:27:59,480
know,

1975
01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:01,240
it is an issue. People bring stuff in

1976
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,320
from outside and they they put it at a

1977
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,000
friend's or relatives'

1978
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,240
for bulk removal because it's free.

1979
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,320
So you you have to somehow

1980
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,120
limit it so it can't be done like that.

1981
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,040
By putting a, you know, a limit of one

1982
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,440
bulk item, two bulk items per month,

1983
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:17,800
you're not going to go to a house with,

1984
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,200
you know, six mattresses, a a dresser,

1985
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,200
you know, that came from three houses

1986
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:23,400
that somebody was paying at somewhere

1987
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,520
else. We run into that.

1988
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:26,840
Um this is why we started the sticker

1989
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,800
program to try and eliminate it. And

1990
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,480
I feel it did um because people, no

1991
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:33,680
matter what happened, if they brought it

1992
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,719
into the city, somebody had to put the

1993
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:37,080
sticker on it. Whether it was your

1994
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,160
family, whether it was a relative, it

1995
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,200
wasn't going to be picked up for free

1996
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,560
anymore.

1997
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,200
And if we do bags and we don't do cans

1998
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,400
or bins,

1999
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,240
when we get to a house that has bags,

2000
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,080
how many bags are we going to take?

2001
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,160
If we say what fits in a 50 gallon can,

2002
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:54,960
fits in 50 gallon can. That's all we

2003
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:55,880
take.

2004
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,719
If we say six bags and you go and

2005
01:28:57,719 --> 01:28:59,560
there's eight bags,

2006
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:00,840
we're going to send a code officer or

2007
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,440
nuisance officer to the site and we're

2008
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:04,000
going to pick it up.

2009
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,480
Where does it end?

2010
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:06,640
All right, I had nine bags instead of

2011
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,920
eight. We took eight last week. We don't want to take the ninth this

2012
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:09,800
week.

2013
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,680
If you have them measured them out,

2014
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,760
one can. And if And if it's the

2015
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:15,960
council's choice and you want them to

2016
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,400
have residents at Home Depot,

2017
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,720
Lowe's, wherever. You say you buy a 45

2018
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,680
or 50-gallon can, buy it yourself. And

2019
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:23,640
that's what we take. We're not going to

2020
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,040
take loose trash bags or anything else

2021
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,680
anymore like that. It's got to be in a

2022
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,120
can, and that's what we're going to

2023
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,400
take. And you're going to have be

2024
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,800
charged for

2025
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,320
that size can. And if you want to, you

2026
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,120
can be start charging for two cans. If

2027
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,320
you want three cans, you can charge for

2028
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,160
three cans because we're paying for

2029
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,520
that. Paying through time, paying

2030
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,590
through the tip fees.

2031
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,040
Mr. Just to follow up on white goods and

2032
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,080
bulk, would we be combining white goods

2033
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:50,720
with bulk so you would get one or would

2034
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,120
you still separate?

2035
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,080
I prefer not because white goods is

2036
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,840
different than than bulk. We have a

2037
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,920
metal truck that takes the white goods,

2038
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,600
which is typically washers and dryers

2039
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,600
and air conditioners. That's separate.

2040
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,040
It can't be disposed of with

2041
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,360
bulk items like mattresses, couches,

2042
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,360
chairs, ottomans, stuff like that. So,

2043
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:09,760
you have to keep everything separate cuz

2044
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,320
when you go to the tip floor, they're

2045
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:12,880
not going to take it. You can't dump

2046
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,800
white goods on the tip floor. That goes

2047
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,880
somewhere else. So, and then TVs is

2048
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,360
another truck we have. We have a TV

2049
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,200
truck out every day. It's TVs are

2050
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,720
separate. You can't mix electronics with

2051
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,000
any other waste.

2052
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,760
So, there's a fleet of trucks taking

2053
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:32,270
separate material on a daily basis.

2054
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,400
Thank you. Um

2055
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,160
So, one of my last comments was um

2056
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:38,960
wanting to make sure we don't move away

2057
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,480
too far from wanting to make sure that

2058
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,600
we address the jackpot issues. And the

2059
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,880
picture that we saw uh last session was

2060
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,480
indicative of someone just dumping their

2061
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:48,520
whole house that they recently

2062
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,760
purchased. And wanting to know if there

2063
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,280
is something we can put in place to make

2064
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,280
it a requirement, a mandate to purchase

2065
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,280
a dumpster moving forward. So, I think

2066
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:57,680
those are one of the issues we're trying

2067
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,280
to curb. I know that's an option on the

2068
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,080
city website, but I don't know if it's a

2069
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,000
requirement.

2070
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,440
It's not a requirement.

2071
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:09,070
Council has to make a decision on that.

2072
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:10,640
So, I think once we get to the like

2073
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,920
recommendation stage, which I think

2074
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,320
we're getting closer to, I think that

2075
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,360
should be a requirement.

2076
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,080
Mr. Engler. Uh I think that's something

2077
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,560
that we should probably address sooner

2078
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,880
rather than later just because with

2079
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,760
the um suspension of the sticker program

2080
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,120
not coming up fast, but as we're

2081
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,800
approaching that deadline, I think

2082
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,080
that's something that we should identify

2083
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,760
first. So, I think we should identify

2084
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,840
what we consider a jackpot. If it's a

2085
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,240
cubic foot, if it's two cubic feet,

2086
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,920
three cubic feet, whatever we decide it

2087
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,960
is, or if it's a mattress, two that,

2088
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,240
whatever.

2089
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,120
Um just so that the guys in general

2090
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,400
services know what to pick up and what

2091
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,120
not to cuz I think we all agree that the

2092
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,480
picture we saw last committee meeting

2093
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:49,120
was excessive. And we should not be

2094
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,560
asking our our gentlemen to pick up that

2095
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,320
much garbage. Mr. Engler, you can't

2096
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,240
leave it out on the street because then

2097
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:56,560
we have to go back another day to get

2098
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:57,760
it. And that just takes more time

2099
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,040
because now we're sending trucks

2100
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,440
you know, what we should have picked up

2101
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,200
today at the curb out tomorrow to go

2102
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,960
backwards. So, we don't you know,

2103
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,040
and I said it 100 times, it's the one

2104
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,800
service we have to do every day. It has

2105
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,560
to get done every day because it just

2106
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,120
blocks us down.

2107
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,360
You know, garbage can't be left on the

2108
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,360
street.

2109
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:16,200
Um

2110
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,200
so, usually the guys go through. If it's

2111
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,320
a jackpot, they're taking it. We used to

2112
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,080
try and cite everybody, take a picture

2113
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,720
of it, give it to nuisance, send out a

2114
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,760
violation, but we have to pick it up or

2115
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,360
we're going back tomorrow. So, we're

2116
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:28,840
sending an extra truck going backwards

2117
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,440
through a district we already went

2118
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:32,680
through yesterday.

2119
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,160
Again, if you have a specific number of

2120
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,920
cans and specific number of items on a

2121
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,520
monthly basis,

2122
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,280
there shouldn't be jackpots other than a

2123
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,960
land landlord is paying for the premium

2124
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,430
rate.

2125
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:50,960
Mr. Truss.

2126
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,880
Uh so, I think within the spirit of

2127
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,880
that, I think as we kind of purpose for

2128
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,360
what the budget will potentially look

2129
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,280
like moving forward, I know for me, uh

2130
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,600
we have newer council members, part of

2131
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,200
my hesitation was just a lack of

2132
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,560
confidence in our current system. I can

2133
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,560
tell you uh I'm leaning more towards

2134
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:06,720
that consideration for a tiered

2135
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:08,280
approach. Um

2136
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:09,960
what I can do, if you're in agreement

2137
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,400
Mr. Engler, cuz we're the only people on

2138
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,760
the committee, is can draft up a summary

2139
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:14,800
email

2140
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,440
um and then I can forward that to you

2141
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:17,800
and the mayor. And if you're able to

2142
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,680
build like a price um

2143
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,040
a uh like a price recommendation for

2144
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,120
both those tiers, also with the ability

2145
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,720
to prorate a second trash can. Um

2146
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,520
the question I'm also asking though is

2147
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,400
what is the true trick What is the true

2148
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:33,680
cost of our waste collection in the

2149
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,000
city? And I think we can identify these

2150
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,720
two tier approaches,

2151
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,160
what is the difference? Is that a number

2152
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,120
that you can tell us Oh, I think we

2153
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,440
presented that for the '26 budget. We

2154
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,960
gave you a full breakdown. We moved the

2155
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,760
appropriate seasonals that were in a

2156
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,240
different fund over to waste. So, we can

2157
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,360
pull that up um

2158
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,480
from last year because those those costs

2159
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,960
were given to you

2160
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,400
um as part of the budget. And we're

2161
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,520
going to know that those costs will

2162
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,120
slightly change because we're currently

2163
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,240
in negotiations with the union that

2164
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,040
picks up all the trash. So, they're

2165
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,200
still being paid the 25 rate. And those

2166
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,080
contract negotiations are currently in

2167
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,680
the process. So, that will change

2168
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,200
depending on

2169
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,800
negotiations. Great. So, in essence,

2170
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,400
it'd be new numbers because we didn't

2171
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,240
consider the tiered approach. We have

2172
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:23,600
new council members that weren't part of

2173
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,600
those discussions. And that balance

2174
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,000
would be different. Right?

2175
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,080
>> Well, the tier The costs are going to be

2176
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,120
the same. How you want to allocate the

2177
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,320
revenue would be different. Right. So,

2178
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:35,560
it'd be different numbers. So, we just

2179
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,360
need to see those new numbers.

2180
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,520
I can give you the new numbers and the

2181
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:39,920
costs and we can allocate what the

2182
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,240
revenues would change. Correct? Based on

2183
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,320
the tier recommendation. If you're in

2184
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,280
agreement with that. Mr. Engler. Yeah, I

2185
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,560
think that um getting those numbers back

2186
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,080
to us

2187
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,160
would be a great step in the right

2188
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:52,800
direction. But I also I just want to

2189
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,440
stress the fact that once the moratorium

2190
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,200
or the suspension of the sticker program

2191
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:58,840
ends in June,

2192
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,920
we're going to go back to picking up

2193
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:01,280
everything on the curb. So, I think that

2194
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,400
we definitely need to consider

2195
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:04,720
what we're going to do with bulk items

2196
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,000
cuz I know we keep talking about next

2197
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,280
year and how we're going to address it

2198
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,760
in the next year.

2199
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:10,840
And but what are we going to do from

2200
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,800
June to December is my concern Well,

2201
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,080
unless you change the city charter.

2202
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,160
We're not going to pick everything up on

2203
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,080
Yeah, that's my question is are we going

2204
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,640
to do something for those 6 months?

2205
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,560
Again, I'm only one vote.

2206
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:23,680
Um so, I think we definitely need to

2207
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,800
talk about that before we start talking

2208
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,480
about next year because that's the first

2209
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:28,640
thing our guys are going to be dealing

2210
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,640
with on a day-to-day.

2211
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,880
So, I like the two bulk pick up per

2212
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,400
site. I think that reads clearly for the

2213
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,320
staff to understand

2214
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,920
what is within their ability to pick up.

2215
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:42,200
And they have to pick up it regardless.

2216
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,720
So, I think it makes it clear how to

2217
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,000
kind of assess fees. Please correct me

2218
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,720
if I'm wrong on that. Um

2219
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:48,760
and then it's also easier for the

2220
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,160
community to recognize. I think one of

2221
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,600
the stipulations with the sticker

2222
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,600
program was it had too many numbers, it

2223
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,200
had too many labels, and you couldn't

2224
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,640
easily rip it off when you were talking

2225
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,400
to someone about it. It was let me take

2226
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,360
out this dictionary and figure out

2227
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,040
what item you're you're since you

2228
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:05,280
haven't paid for it. So, I think if we

2229
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,080
clean it up, give them one number, I

2230
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:08,720
think that makes it more feasible to

2231
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,960
manage. And then that is something that

2232
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,880
I would be prepared to vote on once we

2233
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,280
had numbers.

2234
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,160
Yeah, I agree.

2235
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,440
Great. Mr. Thank you. Um so, I I um I

2236
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,520
like the fact of um

2237
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,040
when you have a jackpot or more than

2238
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,920
your two items or money cleaning the

2239
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,320
house out after someone left,

2240
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,400
um you know, you call for a pick up.

2241
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,120
Whether we send the you know, we have a

2242
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,400
set rate. Again, what's a jackpot?

2243
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:35,480
Right now, it's going to be two more

2244
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:37,040
than two items.

2245
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:41,200
It'd be more than two items and we can't weigh anything anymore. Can

2246
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,200
we weigh anything? No. It gets weighed

2247
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,680
when the truck goes across the tip

2248
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,040
floor. But like the 3 by 3 by 3 is one

2249
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,240
cubic something or a couch or whatever.

2250
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:53,040
But can you get a a curb amount just by

2251
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,120
what's on the curb?

2252
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:59,087
Nobody builds it as a cube.

2253
01:36:59,087 --> 01:36:59,360
>> [laughter]

2254
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:00,880
>> It's not a cubic cube. Not going to

2255
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,360
build your garbage pile in cubic feet.

2256
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:06,760
Well, I I look at the curb like this by this.

2257
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:07,960
Um so, I'm wondering, you know, we have

2258
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,400
to have a I think a

2259
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,160
set of set price or we provide them with

2260
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:13,640
a dumpster at a certain amount at a

2261
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,600
certain cost. I I you know, Well, what

2262
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:17,400
and

2263
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,040
like I tried to say is

2264
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,800
the people who have, you know,

2265
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,280
apartments, the people who are moving in

2266
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,200
and out of more frequently, that, you

2267
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:26,160
know,

2268
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:27,440
they may be the ones that are generating

2269
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:29,520
more than a jackpot. They have the

2270
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,320
tiered approach. And you pay the premium

2271
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,000
service rate. If you want us to take it,

2272
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,280
whatever number it is, at $600 a year,

2273
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,160
we're going to take it. Okay?

2274
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,440
We know that. Okay? Um

2275
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,400
Who will the higher end service Right.

2276
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,480
And you know, if you if you have a

2277
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:45,840
two-unit or you have a three-unit, you

2278
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,920
that's what you pay for. You know?

2279
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,800
And schedule of pick up order.

2280
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:55,320
And the and the and the drivers and the staff would know if yeah, they

2281
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:56,680
go by the house and

2282
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,120
you know, it's allocated with a certain

2283
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,160
color can. We know this is the they're

2284
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,560
paying in a day. It's paperwork.

2285
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,600
Um and then lastly beyond that, I know

2286
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,600
as we talk about uh

2287
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,200
ways of incorporating new initiatives in

2288
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,360
the city, I really think composting is

2289
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:12,360
an area for consideration. Uh there's a

2290
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,440
company that is doing it and has

2291
01:38:14,440 --> 01:38:17,880
partnered with Solar Elementary and has

2292
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,960
a uh receptacle at the fair uh farm

2293
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,280
urban farm.

2294
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:23,360
Um

2295
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,680
if the council is open to that, I'd like

2296
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,400
to schedule a presentation.

2297
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,168
Um I think that is a low threshold

2298
01:38:28,168 --> 01:38:29,560
[snorts] cost for one of these devices.

2299
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,920
It costs about $20,000. They would allow

2300
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,440
them to expand their scope to another

2301
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,080
elementary school and potentially a

2302
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,080
couple hundred households in the city,

2303
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,880
100 additional households. And I think

2304
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,640
as we look at the cost of waste

2305
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,200
increasing, I think if we reduce the

2306
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,719
waste that our city generates, we can

2307
01:38:45,719 --> 01:38:47,600
not only make a huge environmental

2308
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,360
impact just for future generations, if

2309
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,280
not today, um but really get out some

2310
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,480
fiscal savings as well. So,

2311
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:54,640
Mr. Truss.

2312
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,520
So, as I'm just saying, one of the

2313
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:57,680
aspects of it, I think that's a that's

2314
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,120
the thing you do. Saving is also putting

2315
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,400
money back in your pocket right across

2316
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,320
the board. It's like making more Mr.

2317
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,880
Fund. And just as I'm sitting here and

2318
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,600
listening, and I keep going back to the

2319
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:06,600
one point you said that this is

2320
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,280
something we're going to cans So, I'm

2321
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:09,360
sitting here thinking that you talked

2322
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:10,719
about the place you can

2323
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:11,680
Yeah, no, I just want to make sure I'm

2324
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:12,720
clear. Now, I'm not talking about

2325
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:14,200
composting. I'm talking about the can

2326
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:18,310
part of it. I composted once.

2327
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,400
You know, I I heard you say that this is

2328
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:21,600
something we're going to have to revisit

2329
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,960
when we talk about replacing it and then

2330
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,480
as you're gathering numbers, is there

2331
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:25,720
any chance you can just give me an I

2332
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,080
know it's not going to be precise in any

2333
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:28,760
way, but I've asked before just an

2334
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,560
estimation of what it's going to be

2335
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,040
going forward, right? You can't control

2336
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:33,560
costs, but give me an idea of what it is

2337
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:34,720
because if we're talking about replacing

2338
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,520
cans, this is now going to be a budget

2339
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,160
line item over and over again go by 2030

2340
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:42,520
2031. We're now we have to build in

2341
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,640
replacing $5 million worth of cans

2342
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,240
inside of the budget. Right? As you're

2343
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,160
I'm using a very over the Yeah, number

2344
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,560
at the moment, but cuz you'll have to

2345
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:52,680
place them all at once. You can build

2346
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:53,840
them out of time, whatever you need to

2347
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,240
do, but is there any way that you can

2348
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:56,760
kind of get us those ideal numbers of

2349
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,600
what that would look like down the road?

2350
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,040
Replacement cans come off every

2351
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:03,880
What is your What would be your

2352
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,520
recommendation over replacing the can?

2353
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,000
Right, I'm going to I mean some of the

2354
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,400
cans we use right now that are broke,

2355
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,120
cracked, and with holes in them. Our

2356
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:15,470
people use them too, but To what extent?

2357
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:17,280
Um what would you say the recommended

2358
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,920
would be the replacement time frame? I'm

2359
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,480
going to rely on expertise with it. I

2360
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:21,880
also could implement that the you know,

2361
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,000
the residents have to purchase their own

2362
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,880
cans. It's like they do We have

2363
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,680
commercial customers water meters. We

2364
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,200
They're the responsible

2365
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:30,720
responsibility of the of the of the

2366
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,800
property owner to maintain those meters

2367
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,280
in good working condition. If they

2368
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:35,400
freeze or they break, they have to

2369
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:37,640
replace them, but you know, again, I can

2370
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:39,240
give you the numbers. Yeah, no, I'm just

2371
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:40,920
so because as I was saying so I'm just

2372
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:41,920
cuz I want to make sure I understand

2373
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,160
especially when we're talking about

2374
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,240
changing the code and all these little

2375
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:45,400
things.

2376
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:46,520
Um if we're going to do it, if we're

2377
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,120
going to replace it, if we break it,

2378
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,480
that same concept, right? I'm just

2379
01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:50,960
trying to think of like what that's

2380
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,160
going to look like. We need stock. We

2381
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:53,720
need all the things you said. So I'm

2382
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,600
just thinking of numbers out loud and I wanted to ask you while you're

2383
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:57,520
here if that's something you could

2384
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,240
provide. Yeah, we can do an estimate of

2385
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:00,880
how many we think we need on hand and

2386
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,480
how many we would be we would replace

2387
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:03,480
and

2388
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:05,640
you know, a manufacturer one normal use

2389
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,600
would probably be able to give us a

2390
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,640
you know, age from before replacement.

2391
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:11,840
Thank you.

2392
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,680
Yes, ma'am.

2393
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,000
These wide variants in the cans from you

2394
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,560
just get a standard can you're picking

2395
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,520
up in up at Lowe's or Home Depot or

2396
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,240
whatever or you can have ones that have

2397
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,720
an RFID chip put in it

2398
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,120
or you can have it coded with a barcode

2399
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:31,920
so that you know that it's coming from

2400
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,920
your house or my house which adds to the

2401
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,360
management tools that we have. But

2402
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,760
again, that increases the cost. Some of

2403
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,080
these things are integrated

2404
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:44,920
in [clears throat] with the technology

2405
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,640
that's being deployed with

2406
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,240
CTG

2407
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,240
where again,

2408
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,120
using the artificial technology AI they

2409
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:55,680
would uh

2410
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,360
artificial intelligence be able to take

2411
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,000
what looks like a random pile of

2412
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,240
debris at the curb and say that yes,

2413
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:04,480
that is

2414
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:09,360
2.7 cubic feet or it's 4.2 cubic feet.

2415
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,640
If they say that they can do that with a

2416
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,960
fairly high degree of accuracy over time

2417
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:17,400
and that's why they're collecting the

2418
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,000
data now and going forward we'll be able

2419
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,640
to narrow that down and again better

2420
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,320
manage

2421
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:25,960
relative to both sides to the

2422
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,160
customer putting uh

2423
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:29,840
something to the curb or what we're

2424
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,560
collecting and what we're charging.

2425
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,480
I'm a big big fan of having data. I

2426
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:35,880
appreciate the cap of the presentation

2427
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,040
that you brought in earlier today as

2428
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,400
well. So I mean, I would love to see it

2429
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,000
all come together and work perfectly. Um

2430
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,480
I I also

2431
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:44,000
I hope that it all works out as supposed

2432
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,560
to, but hope is not a plan. So that's

2433
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:46,640
why I asked the question I asked, but I

2434
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:48,480
appreciate you, Mr. Mayor.

2435
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:50,240
Um I think along that line similar to

2436
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:51,840
the like New York City license plates,

2437
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:52,840
it wasn't something that went into

2438
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:53,840
effect overnight. There was a

2439
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,280
transitional period. So I think if

2440
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,960
there's a preferred can for the city, as

2441
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,280
long as you get that information to the

2442
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,080
residents and that's the tier you are

2443
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,640
recommending to go with, if we continue

2444
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:03,760
with that,

2445
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:04,960
I think just giving people more

2446
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,440
information options is how we meet the

2447
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:09,000
varying needs of how people want to put

2448
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,920
out waste in this city and this country.

2449
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:12,560
Mr. O'Brien. Yeah,

2450
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,600
and members of the council, just

2451
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,480
following up on on your thoughts and and

2452
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:17,560
the mayor's comments.

2453
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,920
The the ordinance which you extended it

2454
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,800
the suspension uh

2455
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,280
wasn't signed by the mayor, but the

2456
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,400
effective date of that was March 20th.

2457
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,640
So 90 days from that is June 14th.

2458
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,840
So with committee cycles etc., what I'm

2459
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,680
I would recommend that

2460
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,600
uh Mr. LaFont is going to give you some

2461
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:38,680
more information next time and that you

2462
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,480
at that next meeting

2463
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:41,600
you

2464
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,520
give directions to Mr. LaFont and and

2465
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,680
then Mr. LaFont and our office the

2466
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,680
corporation counsel will have to go look

2467
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,440
at the code

2468
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:51,520
to get that where you want to put it

2469
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,960
into the code to make it effective.

2470
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,040
And then the best way would be to bring

2471
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:58,840
that draft ordinance back to you so you

2472
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,200
see it

2473
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,960
and then you can tweak it and then call

2474
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,120
for a public hearing 2 weeks after that

2475
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,800
and then that would

2476
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,520
give you the time that you need

2477
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,000
for us to draft it, to you review it, to

2478
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,720
have the public hearing, and to make any

2479
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,040
post public hearing

2480
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,800
amendments to the proposed ordinance

2481
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,800
that to get you to that June 14th date.

2482
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,080
So I think your next meeting you

2483
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,520
have to you know, vote on some di-

2484
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,600
vote on a direction so then we can start

2485
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,627
drafting legislation. I do some work.

2486
01:44:35,627 --> 01:44:36,040
>> [laughter]

2487
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:37,840
>> Um but I can't speak for Mr. Anger, but

2488
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,320
I think the spirit of this conversation

2489
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:40,840
how it's been going,

2490
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,520
I I'm very well prepared to make a

2491
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,040
determination once we have the financial

2492
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,880
considerations as well. I feel really

2493
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,320
good with how this conversation has

2494
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,840
continued with all of our conversations.

2495
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,120
So definitely looking forward to seeing

2496
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,360
what this looks like on paper with

2497
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,680
finances and your

2498
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,400
wisdom, sir. Mr. Mayor.

2499
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,800
And the widely variant item

2500
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,360
that's still out there is we collected

2501
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,000
the 20-some thousand dollars in revenue

2502
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,600
from the sticker program

2503
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,120
on its initial deployment.

2504
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,320
Jeff,

2505
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,280
everybody's talking about that figure,

2506
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,520
but we printed over 300,000 dollars

2507
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,440
worth of free stickers.

2508
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:26,360
So there's really no way to adequately

2509
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,680
say we only

2510
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,280
generated 20-some thousand dollars in

2511
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,000
revenue. If we hadn't put out 300,000

2512
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,800
dollars in free stickers, there might

2513
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,840
have been a much more significant uh

2514
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,000
revenue source in there. And so it's

2515
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,320
hard to put a value on that. If we go

2516
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:45,880
back to some form of sticker program or

2517
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,120
some type of can program,

2518
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:50,120
uh

2519
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,520
again, there's there is revenue there

2520
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,600
uh and it's just how do you approach it

2521
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:57,560
in how do you do it in a manner that's

2522
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,280
fair and gets broad-based buy-in from

2523
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,440
the people in the city.

2524
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:05,840
Uh now are you with that $300,000, was

2525
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,560
that the projected cost of people using

2526
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:08,800
those resources or

2527
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,640
>> that's what we printed stickers, we

2528
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,560
mailed them out. You know, people got

2529
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:16,160
free stickers. So that was the value of

2530
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,600
all those. Some of them of course were

2531
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,800
probably thrown out in the garbage.

2532
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,760
Other ones ended up on

2533
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,440
items and were picked up for free where

2534
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:27,870
they didn't have to buy them.

2535
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:30,080
Um I would definitely say the

2536
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,120
implementation of programs is definitely

2537
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:33,240
a consideration that always has to be

2538
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,080
taken to account moving forward.

2539
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:37,800
Um but I sincerely hope that I think

2540
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:39,320
this is the best step moving forward for

2541
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:41,160
our city. I think if you just look at it

2542
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,360
based on just the consideration for

2543
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:44,880
workers compensation claims, I know

2544
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,520
you're talking about the time, but I

2545
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,320
also heard the time of them hustling. So

2546
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:49,680
I think if we slow down and we're more

2547
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,400
considerate and if they have items

2548
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,440
bundled together better, I think that

2549
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:56,520
protects us medically and also ensures

2550
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,520
that our city looks the way that I feel

2551
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,520
that it is which is pristine on the

2552
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:01,520
rise.

2553
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:02,400
Um

2554
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,840
so if there are any further questions or

2555
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,840
concerns, I'll summarize this to ensure

2556
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,760
that it captures the spirit of this

2557
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:09,920
conversation. The expectation will be

2558
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,640
that you and OGS are able to provide us

2559
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:13,920
the cost breakdown for the two-tier

2560
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,040
approach.

2561
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,120
Um and then I'll include the question

2562
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,920
about the replacement cans and how

2563
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,720
often. Uh if I missed anything else,

2564
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:20,920
please let me know, but definitely

2565
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,240
getting very excited with how this

2566
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:25,360
conversation continues to unfold.

2567
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,360
Thank you, Mr. LaFont.

2568
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:28,600
And then due to the nature in which we

2569
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,040
talked, I think we kind of lumped it

2570
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,840
lump lumped in bulk trash sticker

2571
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,480
program also.

2572
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:35,840
Um

2573
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,200
so I think

2574
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:42,120
the remaining 1 2 3 4 5 items

2575
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,440
number 13 through 17 will be discussed

2576
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:46,640
in executive session. There was a

2577
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,760
component in the request for redemption

2578
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,600
that I'd like for us to discuss the fees

2579
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,240
associated with

2580
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:53,719
um

2581
01:47:53,719 --> 01:47:55,520
the putting the funds back

2582
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,150
to houses. Is that correct?

2583
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:01,960
Um yeah, it's on the agenda, but I um

2584
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,280
I'll meet you upstairs to get

2585
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,200
my sheet. I'll have to discuss that.

2586
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,040
Okay.

2587
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:09,200
Um

2588
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:10,680
in the meantime, I'd like to get that

2589
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:11,719
There was another item I was going to

2590
01:48:11,719 --> 01:48:13,760
add. Uh so I can buy you some time and

2591
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:14,560
I'll

2592
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,240
stretch. So you want to just so I'm

2593
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:17,360
clear so I know what I'm grabbing,

2594
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,719
you're talking about the spreadsheet?

2595
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:20,520
Yes, ma'am. That I gave you? Okay, good.

2596
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:21,600
Perfect.

2597
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:22,960
Uh in the meantime, there was an item I

2598
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,600
wanted to add on for discussion. That's

2599
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,280
the reappointment of the Board of

2600
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,000
Assessment Review member.

2601
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,920
Um previously this was brought up and

2602
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:32,600
expectation was either to reappoint the

2603
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,640
individual currently in place or provide

2604
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,960
a recommendation. I think to this point

2605
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,719
we haven't supplied any names for so the

2606
01:48:39,719 --> 01:48:41,840
recommendation is to

2607
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,520
reappoint Richard Jaeger

2608
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:49,470
for another just term.

2609
01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:51,080
We'll do it. What committee is it for?

2610
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,080
Uh the Board of Assessment Review. Wait,

2611
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,320
what's under city planning?

2612
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:59,430
Um this is the one I'm asking.

2613
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:00,560
Uh so if there's no discussion or

2614
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,120
comment, I know Mr. Anger just brought

2615
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:04,240
that up. I'll bring it back.

2616
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:14,990
I need to base you.

2617
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,440
» Mr. Anger, it's the second. Yeah. Okay,

2618
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:19,480
we're waiting on the second.

2619
01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:23,230
I make a motion.

2620
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,680
What's What is the current term of this?

2621
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,080
I think it's 2 years. Is it Is it a

2622
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,360
2-year term for

2623
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,880
Barsh? Yeah.

2624
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,360
I think I'm not sure of the law. Okay.

2625
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:35,800
Turn off the

2626
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,760
Just to confirm, do we have any terms?

2627
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,800
How many What is the length of the term?

2628
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,320
What's the length of the term for Barsh?

2629
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:44,560
I don't know the length of the term.

2630
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,000
Feel like 2 is the default. I would say

2631
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,360
3 years, but I'm not

2632
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,520
sure of

2633
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,400
Can we just say make a motion? Chairman,

2634
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,040
we'll we'll in the resolution we'll have

2635
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:54,960
the

2636
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,640
to the appointment. We'll put the term

2637
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,480
in the resolution for the time period,

2638
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:02,240
so everyone's on the same page. This is

2639
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,640
a new term and not a filling of a

2640
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:07,150
vacant seat.

2641
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,640
Uh so, right now one of the items I was

2642
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:12,000
going to add is us to reappoint Richard

2643
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,520
Jaeger to the Board of Assessment and

2644
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:14,680
Review.

2645
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,040
If there's no issues or concerns, may I

2646
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:16,560
have a motion?

2647
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,360
>> Yep. I'll second. All those in favor?

2648
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:20,680
Aye. Aye. And then we're just

2649
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,200
uh waiting for Ms. Barsh to return.

2650
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:24,920
So, for our last item

2651
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:25,960
Now, so we can

2652
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:26,800
Could I

2653
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,720
do the local 28

2654
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:30,480
Uh

2655
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:31,880
do we need to be in executive session

2656
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,120
for that?

2657
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:33,720
Uh

2658
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,960
well, okay. If you have any questions.

2659
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,000
Yeah, I think I think

2660
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,120
I would recommend that you know, if

2661
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:40,000
there's a

2662
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,480
questions or whatnot, there's any

2663
01:50:41,480 --> 01:51:16,270
further discussion internally. Okay.

2664
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:33,350
I'm over here.

2665
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:57,550
Thanks.

2666
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,470
I'm not sure what the deal is, but

2667
01:52:01,480 --> 01:52:06,510
So, we

2668
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,160
special motion.

2669
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,720
And once we confirm with Sigma Plotkin

2670
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,280
whether they have a person to just sign

2671
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:29,470
it over.

2672
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:32,920
You didn't fix the sheet. What is this?

2673
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:43,870
Can you say?

2674
01:52:43,880 --> 01:53:30,270
This is supposed to be brought

2675
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:31,800
Do you have a prediction for tonight's

2676
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:32,920
game?

2677
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:35,000
10 to 5.

2678
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:39,950
Let's see.

2679
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:41,760
They're playing playing

2680
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,400
in the NCAA.

2681
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,120
Either or. I'm feeling like it's busy.

2682
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,040
What does that mean? You're not going to

2683
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:47,520
rank it.

2684
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:48,840
But you

2685
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:50,280
Like all I'm doing is cheating on cuz

2686
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:52,560
anybody else is doing

2687
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,080
But no, I don't want to cheat.

2688
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:56,680
I am not

2689
01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:00,710
I'm serious.

2690
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:01,760
You got to

2691
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,280
do the whole

2692
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:04,640
I teach a boy to

2693
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:05,680
cuz I

2694
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:06,880
I'm not going to

2695
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:08,400
I think I know what's going I'm not

2696
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:09,560
going to

2697
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:11,600
We have a

2698
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:16,830
Me too.

2699
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,480
That's it. You got

2700
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:20,320
to have a picture of the

2701
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,960
I'm sorry.

2702
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,880
It's okay.

2703
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:25,000
20

2704
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,280
Like CPRB is 2-year old.

2705
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:28,760
2 years?

2706
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:29,880
Yeah, I don't see any other way to do

2707
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:30,560
it.

2708
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:37,550
The bar

2709
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:38,840
I'm not going to

2710
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,870
choose a bar.

2711
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:46,084
I'm going to say

2712
01:54:46,094 --> 01:54:57,030
» [clears throat]

2713
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:57,880
» Thank you.

2714
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:00,430
Can I drop it?

2715
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,760
I think you can take that back. No.

2716
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:04,640
I was in the packet. Oh, I didn't know.

2717
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,680
Is this a packet? It is a packet. Yeah.

2718
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:08,320
just in the interest of time I

2719
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,600
just printed a few. If you could just um

2720
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:12,120
who's going to take one sheet and pass

2721
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,840
it around. Oh, no, no.

2722
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:23,870
Okay, now one second.

2723
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:25,840
Um

2724
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:33,510
Yeah, can you pass one down and then

2725
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:35,200
You have it all, right?

2726
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:36,520
Uh

2727
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:37,480
No. Oh, I thought you had it. Okay, if

2728
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:38,880
you guys could just share.

2729
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,120
Thank you.

2730
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:41,080
This is something that you sent me

2731
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:42,960
digitally, correct? Yeah, I just printed

2732
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,600
a few, but I in the interest of time

2733
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,600
didn't print any.

2734
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:48,400
I pulled them out. Uh so, thank you, Ms.

2735
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,440
Barsh, for joining us first. Would you

2736
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:51,920
mind just kind of speaking to the spirit

2737
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:53,720
in which we have to consider this and

2738
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:55,160
then not go through every line, but just

2739
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,990
kind of summarize what this represents?

2740
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,960
Um so, it represents,

2741
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:02,560
as it's written at the top, the cost

2742
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,800
estimate considerations for foreclosing

2743
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,120
on a property

2744
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:09,000
and returning it to the former owners.

2745
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:13,280
It goes through estimated costs from

2746
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:14,640
uh law,

2747
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:17,840
from codes, OGS,

2748
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,520
receipts, assessors, mayor, clerk,

2749
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:23,360
council, and explains all the different

2750
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:26,920
estimations of time and costs that go

2751
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:28,520
into

2752
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,680
uh when the city forecloses on a

2753
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,480
property and then the city council

2754
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,600
chooses to sell a property back

2755
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:40,440
to the former owner. Uh this is

2756
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:42,080
the estimate of what I could come up

2757
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,630
with for the cost.

2758
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,200
And then uh was there a singular number

2759
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:50,400
or how I know you said per hour, so how

2760
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,960
does that taken into account?

2761
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:55,560
I mean, it's it's up to the council to

2762
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,280
determine what you want the final number

2763
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,480
to be.

2764
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:00,480
Uh I put here

2765
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,920
information for you to review. So,

2766
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,360
estimates of attorney time, of the cost

2767
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,680
of police, um

2768
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,800
considerations of what the council and

2769
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,520
the clerk spend in terms of time.

2770
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,080
I don't have an exact number. You can

2771
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,400
see from that these are estimations.

2772
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:20,320
Every case is different. Like if they

2773
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,800
don't have fire alarms or CO2 alarms,

2774
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:24,360
it's going to depend on how many rooms

2775
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:26,520
are in the house, how many we have to

2776
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,160
install. Um

2777
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:30,720
Many times, unfortunately, they don't

2778
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,320
have these alarms.

2779
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:32,880
Um

2780
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,760
so, I put an estimate of for for each if

2781
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:40,200
there's there's basement, bedrooms, um

2782
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,760
code enforcement should go out. Uh

2783
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,520
police and fire sometimes accompany

2784
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:46,480
them.

2785
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,120
As you can see, the law department does

2786
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,360
a tremendous amount of work um in

2787
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,560
foreclosing and then a tremendous amount

2788
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,440
of work in having to return it.

2789
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:58,600
Um as does receipts,

2790
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,719
uh our receipts department, um and then

2791
01:58:01,719 --> 01:58:04,200
other departments

2792
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,280
uh put in time as well, so it it adds

2793
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:07,480
up.

2794
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,600
That's true. So, I know that we had put

2795
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,160
a number on it before in our one

2796
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,719
committee meeting. Um $5,250 is what we

2797
01:58:15,719 --> 01:58:17,719
had generally said.

2798
01:58:17,719 --> 01:58:19,200
>> That was an estimation. I was very clear

2799
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:19,840
on that.

2800
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:21,800
>> I 100% I'm not holding you to a final

2801
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:23,719
number. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I'm going

2802
01:58:23,719 --> 01:58:24,560
to get to the final point of the

2803
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,719
question. Okay. So, I didn't mean to

2804
01:58:25,719 --> 01:58:26,960
interrupt cuz we were in closed before,

2805
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:27,920
but I just wanted to make sure everyone

2806
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,360
was aware of what we had said. Um

2807
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:31,880
So, looking at this, I understand that

2808
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:33,680
you broke it down for hourly. Is there

2809
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:35,440
any way that you can give us an average

2810
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,880
rate between the two? Say, as any would

2811
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:39,440
as you would for foreclosure, right?

2812
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:40,560
Yes. This is we're going to foreclose,

2813
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:42,920
it could cost you 3,500

2814
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:44,960
and Once you talk to somebody who's had

2815
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:46,240
to go through the process, is there a

2816
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:47,560
way that you And I appreciate this

2817
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:49,000
information greatly. I want to make it

2818
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,680
on record and saying that. Appreciate

2819
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:52,200
you putting this together.

2820
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:53,800
Um is there any way we can get an idea

2821
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:55,000
so when people are going through this

2822
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,719
process, hopefully they never have to,

2823
01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:58,040
right? Hopefully they can they don't

2824
01:58:58,040 --> 01:58:59,640
fall on hard times, life doesn't get

2825
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,480
bad. We don't have a crazy tear from out

2826
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,920
of situation that's robbing people of

2827
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:06,040
everything and dignity in their

2828
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,840
household. But since we connected we're

2829
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,080
fighting for them, we're protecting for

2830
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:10,760
them. And I want to make sure that they

2831
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:12,120
have the opportunity if they can find

2832
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:13,560
that money, right? We had a gentleman

2833
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:15,520
whose community rallied behind him. Good

2834
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,200
citizen, has a court order, all the

2835
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:19,040
things. And they rallied behind him

2836
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,800
helping him raise that money. I just

2837
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:21,880
want to make sure that people have the

2838
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:23,360
opportunity to know exactly what they're

2839
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:25,920
trying to raise or have an idea of that

2840
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,920
light is killing right now. Have an idea

2841
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,240
of of what they would have to get so

2842
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,480
they have the opportunity to to get that

2843
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:35,200
property back, right? Cuz as I know just

2844
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:36,320
being a resident of the city as I've

2845
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,800
been said my entire life,

2846
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,360
household income can be the make or

2847
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:42,080
break of an entire family, right? A

2848
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:43,640
matriarch or grandmother who fell on

2849
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:45,760
hard times and situation Mr. Toro had

2850
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,960
brought up and and in the situation that

2851
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:49,480
we had gotten went forward, the older

2852
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:51,680
woman her son came, had no idea what was

2853
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,400
happening, and had all the money

2854
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:57,600
instantly, right? To to purchase back instantly as in that that

2855
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,320
night but got it to you in a regular

2856
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:00,960
time that you needed. So I want to make

2857
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,360
sure that if we can possibly if it's a

2858
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,520
that we have that listed so people know

2859
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,320
what that could entail and cost wise on

2860
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:09,360
top of getting their taxes.

2861
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:12,000
Do you mean in each particular case or

2862
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:12,800
do you mean

2863
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,000
>> I I understand each case is unique, but

2864
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,560
from your sheet just an idea of an

2865
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,160
average of what it would cost for us to

2866
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:19,680
go through the legal process of going

2867
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:21,560
back, right? Same thing that we just do

2868
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:23,280
if you have to install the three alarms.

2869
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,640
We have this is the average what it

2870
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:26,920
looks like so they can have a total idea

2871
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:27,880
and there's going to be more, right?

2872
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:29,720
You've broken it down for them they know

2873
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:31,400
and their house that they got six alarms

2874
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,160
and they need all six replaced cuz the

2875
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:35,200
house is a mansion whatever it may be,

2876
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:35,880
then they know it's going to be

2877
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:37,240
different. But just an idea of an

2878
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:39,440
average cost or whereabouts, right? Just

2879
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:40,960
like you gave me an estimate of 5200

2880
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:42,640
even though that's not We know that's

2881
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:44,840
not the final number. If there's an idea

2882
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:46,600
it won't exceed

2883
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,680
$25,000 to buy your house back when you

2884
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,320
owe $400 in taxes, right? Like that's

2885
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,080
that sounds crazy to me.

2886
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:54,280
So

2887
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:56,000
all the information that I can provide

2888
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:00,760
is here. I reached out to

2889
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:02,720
every department that's

2890
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:04,720
affected by these cases.

2891
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,440
Um so I

2892
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:08,800
I'm a lawyer not a finance person.

2893
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,560
>> So

2894
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,680
And this is this is what they could look

2895
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:12,800
at.

2896
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:14,720
>> on you, let me be clear. I'm looking at

2897
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,440
just trying to make it simplified for

2898
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:18,040
people, right? As we just talked about

2899
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,360
like the sticker program of $300,000 and

2900
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,320
all the big like there's there's a

2901
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:24,720
85-year-old woman who is going to

2902
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,280
struggle maybe going through all this if

2903
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,160
she doesn't have assistance, right? And

2904
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:29,200
the community's trying to help her.

2905
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:30,640
Hopefully she can find someone or a

2906
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:32,760
young man or a grandson or whatever that

2907
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:33,960
can help her. I was just asking for if

2908
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:35,800
there was a more simple I'm reading this

2909
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:37,920
perfectly fine. I track with you, I do

2910
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:39,720
the legal side, I understand it. I was

2911
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:40,880
just saying if there was a way that we

2912
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,720
can have this a simplified version of

2913
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:44,320
this is what it could entail. That's all

2914
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,640
I was asking. And I'm not putting that

2915
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,240
solely on you cuz I know that doesn't

2916
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:49,520
fall directly on you either.

2917
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:50,680
Just saying if you have cuz I know

2918
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:51,880
you've done the legwork if that was a

2919
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:54,080
way that you could possibly just give me

2920
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,000
a roundabout. That was all. Sure. Um

2921
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:57,000
it's

2922
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:58,600
I can't provide anything further beyond

2923
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:00,160
this. I've

2924
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:02,880
put down all the numbers and estimations

2925
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:05,400
I can think of. The council is welcome

2926
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:06,480
to

2927
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:09,040
do the math and add them up and talk to

2928
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,040
the clerk and and and account for the

2929
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,080
council's time and

2930
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:15,760
get if you want further information from

2931
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,440
other departments you're welcome to uh

2932
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,320
This I spent a lot of time doing this

2933
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:22,960
and I I don't have anything further to

2934
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,960
add. It's it's all here.

2935
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,360
And uh

2936
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,160
I don't have anything further. This is

2937
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:30,160
very much appreciated. Thank you for

2938
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:31,360
putting it together. Thank you. But I'll

2939
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:32,800
just say as a point of clarity meaning

2940
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,120
to your previous point about

2941
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:36,600
not a mathematician, the council's not

2942
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:38,480
timekeepers. So without having an

2943
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:39,920
understanding of how many hours each

2944
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,760
department contributed to this,

2945
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,240
that is just a lot of numbers. And I

2946
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:44,640
know you said that you put a lot of work

2947
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:45,920
into this. I don't want to minimize that

2948
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,560
in any way, shape or form, but truly I

2949
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,040
think we need one number. If we

2950
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,520
recognize that that is not possible, I

2951
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,640
think having two tiers, one of there's

2952
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:56,840
an excessive amount of work that we're

2953
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:58,520
going to have to undo and redo, or

2954
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:00,680
here's a low threshold cost that we'll

2955
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:05,080
consider for a flight this amount. And I think if you can

2956
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,000
confidently say if this is ever

2957
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,840
challenged legally, I can justify those

2958
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,120
two numbers either way based on that

2959
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:14,080
breakdown. I can say as a council member

2960
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,640
that is what I was expecting. Um but to

2961
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:17,640
say

2962
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:18,560
um

2963
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,080
here's what the hourly expectations for

2964
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,600
each office are

2965
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,000
without the number of hours

2966
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:24,920
we would be guessing.

2967
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:27,000
>> But there everything Respectfully, Mr.

2968
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:29,080
President, it's all right here. The the

2969
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:31,880
hours are here, the amount of

2970
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,760
the estimated hourly rate is there. I I

2971
02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:37,160
don't have anything further. I I have

2972
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:39,800
I don't keep track of every single

2973
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:41,080
minute

2974
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,320
for every single property.

2975
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:43,880
Absolutely.

2976
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,320
>> It's not necessary

2977
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:49,880
and I don't do that. And I am

2978
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,920
I'm I'm not hired to

2979
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:54,960
do financial stuff. This is the best

2980
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,600
that I can give to you.

2981
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,000
I'm a lawyer. I put together every legal

2982
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:01,640
literally every single legal issue that

2983
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:02,840
I could think of and there's probably

2984
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:03,840
more.

2985
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:05,600
This is

2986
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:07,360
I reached out to every department. You

2987
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:09,680
can see all the emails. If they didn't

2988
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:13,360
respond, I came up with I I sat there

2989
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:14,720
and tried to figure out what an hourly

2990
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:16,480
rate would be. This has been a

2991
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:19,240
tremendous amount of work.

2992
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:21,000
And no, I don't have two different tiers

2993
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:22,320
of numbers.

2994
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:23,800
This is what you can get from the law

2995
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:25,200
department. You're welcome to do with it

2996
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:27,080
as you like. You're also welcome to

2997
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:28,440
reach out to other departments if you'd

2998
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:30,520
like. This is what I'm providing in

2999
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,520
reply to your original question.

3000
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,520
Interesting. So I appreciate that

3001
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,320
statement and what you're saying

3002
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:39,360
and breaking this all down

3003
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,120
very nicely for us.

3004
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:43,160
How often or how how I'll change my line

3005
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:45,320
of questioning. You've done the buyback

3006
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:47,000
process, correct? You've done the

3007
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,520
paperwork yourself.

3008
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:51,120
Um on a basic house, how long have does

3009
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:52,920
it take you to do the legal paperwork

3010
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:56,240
per per case? And overestimate, give me an extra hour, give yourself

3011
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:58,000
like days, takes you 4 days to do the

3012
02:04:58,000 --> 02:04:59,400
paperwork.

3013
02:04:59,400 --> 02:05:00,760
Okay.

3014
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:01,960
I'm just asking. I'm asking for

3015
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:03,360
>> but it's it's right here. No, no, I'm

3016
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:04,520
not asking this. I'm just asking for a

3017
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:06,000
point. How long does it normally take

3018
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,800
for as a lawyer to to do it? I don't

3019
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:08,600
know. I'm asking for

3020
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:10,560
>> But it's on it's on the sheet. That's

3021
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:11,920
what I'm trying to say. I

3022
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:13,200
Okay, we'll go through the sheet. I

3023
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,640
think that might be might be better.

3024
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:18,520
So when we do the foreclosure, I think

3025
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:19,960
that's going to be the only way to go

3026
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:21,080
through these numbers.

3027
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:22,000
>> you don't have to go through line by

3028
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,360
line. I'm I feel like you feel like I'm

3029
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:24,800
not coming after you. I'm

3030
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:27,160
>> No, and I I recognize that but I'm I'm

3031
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:29,800
you're asking a question that

3032
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:31,200
the answers are here. These are these

3033
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:33,560
are my answers. So won't supersede this

3034
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,800
bottom line number of the two hours like

3035
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:37,600
the breakdown of what you're saying

3036
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:39,680
on the sheet. This is this is I put this

3037
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,280
together specifically in reply to the

3038
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:45,200
question of what is what amount of

3039
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:48,880
resources goes into Right. So then I

3040
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:50,240
guess I'm confused. So if it's right

3041
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:51,560
here then why would it be so hard to get

3042
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:52,840
us a simplified number if you broke it

3043
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:55,120
>> Because I'm not a mathematician.

3044
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:55,480
I don't feel

3045
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:57,360
>> Okay, the foreclosure I'm not asking you

3046
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,320
to be a mathematician to if you have it

3047
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:01,840
broken down per hours. And I I was a

3048
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,560
teacher before this so I don't you know,

3049
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:04,680
forgive me.

3050
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:06,240
But if you have it broken down and

3051
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:08,000
you're saying this is the hourly rate,

3052
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,800
it takes you two hours to do this item, and I'm just asking for a

3053
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:13,840
base figure. I don't I don't feel like

3054
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:15,040
I'm asking to be a mathematician and I

3055
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:17,160
apologize if that's how it comes off. I

3056
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:18,440
was just saying to start this the

3057
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,440
original question was was there just a

3058
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:22,160
basic simple number that we could start

3059
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,080
with so people would understand and then

3060
02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:25,800
a top figure. I wasn't asking for two

3061
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:27,560
tiers, I wasn't asking for anything over

3062
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:29,960
the top. And I I like once again, not

3063
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:31,680
coming after you. I appreciate what it I

3064
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:33,680
look at numbers all day long. So I I

3065
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:36,280
understand this for myself. I was just

3066
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:39,200
asking if there was amount of time that

3067
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:41,560
a lawyer, even if it's not you, someone

3068
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:43,640
first year coming out, right? Fresh out

3069
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:44,360
of law school, if they were to sit down

3070
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:45,760
and do this

3071
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:47,360
you were assigned a new case. The mayor

3072
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:48,760
just hired this wonderful young lawyer

3073
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:50,560
out of law school. Awesome. It's going

3074
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,440
to take him six out her or him six

3075
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:54,680
hours. That was all I was asking for a

3076
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:57,000
number. If you feel you can't get that

3077
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,000
number, that's okay. I I understand your

3078
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,040
point. I just you just confused me when

3079
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:02,440
you said the other statements you made

3080
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:03,880
after that. I was good until you were

3081
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:05,720
like I'm not a mathematician and every I

3082
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:06,640
felt like I had asked something

3083
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:08,920
completely weird. Okay, so we can go

3084
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:11,720
through

3085
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:13,920
it and then you can add the numbers up.

3086
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:17,160
So it has to be

3087
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,440
We start with the foreclosure.

3088
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:23,320
We found this number by dividing.

3089
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:25,880
We have like a running amount of what

3090
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:27,560
the cost is.

3091
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:29,440
And then we have to also account for

3092
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:31,520
some of the other staffs and we

3093
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,360
estimated it at $1,700

3094
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:35,880
to foreclose. So you can take that as

3095
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:37,560
your first number.

3096
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:39,080
And then what you need to do is you're

3097
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,080
going to need to take fire alarms and

3098
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,240
CO2 alarms. Not every house needs them

3099
02:07:43,240 --> 02:07:44,680
and sometimes they need different

3100
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:46,200
numbers.

3101
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:48,440
So if you assume that each house needs

3102
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:49,880
four of each,

3103
02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:55,840
50 * 4 is 200 * 2 is 400. So 1,700

3104
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,719
+ 400.

3105
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:00,760
Then paralegal time for preparing and

3106
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:02,719
filing an ejection application for the

3107
02:08:02,719 --> 02:08:04,960
sheriff. That's 1 hour at the paralegal

3108
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,680
time of $82 per hour. However, many

3109
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,640
times the paralegal works on overtime to

3110
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:11,600
do the foreclosure matters. So if she's

3111
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,160
doing it on overtime it's time and a

3112
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:15,680
half plus

3113
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:18,160
the value of the benefits.

3114
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:19,920
Attorney fielding emails and calls with

3115
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,440
the former owner, their attorney and or

3116
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:24,200
council members, 1 hour. I estimated

3117
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:28,080
attorney time at $140 an hour.

3118
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,080
So it's $149.

3119
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:31,560
Attorney preparing and transmitting

3120
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:33,960
legislative requests, 1 hour. Again,

3121
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:36,800
attorney time $140 an hour. Paralegal

3122
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:38,120
emailing the sheriff and updating

3123
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:40,280
records for ejections, you have to add

3124
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:44,520
in 0.75 times paralegal time. And again,

3125
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:46,760
many times she works on overtime so that

3126
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:50,440
$82 an hour may be closer to 100.

3127
02:08:50,440 --> 02:08:52,640
Attorney preparing for pres-

3128
02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:54,120
presenting legislative requests and

3129
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:55,719
fielding related questions from council

3130
02:08:55,719 --> 02:08:59,200
members, half hour at $140 an hour.

3131
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:01,120
Attorney doing research,

3132
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:03,600
half hour at $140 an hour. Attorney

3133
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:06,640
drafting resolution, half hour at $140

3134
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:08,920
an hour.

3135
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:12,560
We skipped over the inspection costs.

3136
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:14,840
Um so I'm going to go back up here. I

3137
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:16,840
estimated that it would be 2 hours per

3138
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:18,840
inspection. I've never been on an

3139
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:20,280
inspection.

3140
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:22,360
Um I think that that's the amount of

3141
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:24,160
time it would take.

3142
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:26,800
Um and then you have to take fire at 2

3143
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:30,720
hours * $51 an hour.

3144
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:33,000
That was the number given to me as an

3145
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:34,840
average by

3146
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:38,080
uh Chief Burns. Codes,

3147
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:40,960
2 hours *

3148
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,520
So codes and OGS,

3149
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,120
if you look there's an email attached

3150
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:48,280
from um Deputy Commissioner Lund.

3151
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:50,480
He put a lot of effort into breaking

3152
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:52,880
down the costs that you'll you'll see.

3153
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,960
Um and I took the number from there,

3154
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,320
$978.51

3155
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,880
as a flat fee

3156
02:09:59,880 --> 02:10:01,320
uh because that's how he provided the

3157
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:03,880
information. So that has to be accounted

3158
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:05,200
for and you can look at what the

3159
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:07,600
specifics are from his email. So it's

3160
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:09,920
not that it's not that simple to be able

3161
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,240
to say, "Well, here's your perfect

3162
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:12,880
number." is what I'm trying to show you.

3163
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:13,840
have to do all of these

3164
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:15,480
calculations.

3165
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:17,640
Um

3166
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:19,080
And again, it's it winds up being an

3167
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:22,080
average. So we can go further down. Um

3168
02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:23,840
>> But again, I don't think we need to. I

3169
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:25,320
sincerely I think the spirit in which we

3170
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:27,760
recently had the conversation it was the

3171
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:29,440
number that the council was assessing in

3172
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:31,480
fees didn't adequately represent the

3173
02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:33,520
amount of work that it takes to re-give

3174
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:34,920
these properties back. Would you agree

3175
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:36,600
to that?

3176
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:37,960
the number didn't adequately

3177
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:39,160
represent? Is that what you're asking

3178
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:41,040
me? No, not not that number. Previously,

3179
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,120
I'm trying to draw a map of how we got

3180
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:44,800
here. So you're saying our $1,500 that

3181
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,360
we assessed was not adequately

3182
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:47,680
reflecting the work your department was

3183
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:48,560
doing previously.

3184
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:50,120
>> Right, it's obviously not reflective of

3185
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:51,800
it because just to do the foreclosure

3186
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:54,280
we're estimating $1,700 and that doesn't

3187
02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:55,440
even

3188
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:57,240
That isn't doesn't even start the return

3189
02:10:57,240 --> 02:10:58,080
process.

3190
02:10:58,080 --> 02:10:59,200
>> understand that. So we're still on the

3191
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:01,640
same page. I would say recently we've

3192
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,080
had a discuss a discussion of what does

3193
02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:06,240
that figure actually accurately reflect?

3194
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:09,480
And then we identified $5,250.

3195
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:11,000
It wasn't until your department came

3196
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:13,000
back and said, "I will not be able to

3197
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,520
legally support this if challenged."

3198
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,160
That is why we're here. So this was a

3199
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:19,920
question posed by your department so to

3200
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:22,040
the same conversation. I need to say

3201
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:23,480
this publicly for the fact that it could

3202
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:25,840
be misinterpreted. We are all here to do

3203
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:28,760
a job and if the job requires more,

3204
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:30,880
that is what we're here to do, to do a

3205
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:32,320
good service and to ensure that we're

3206
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:33,400
being responsive to the needs of the

3207
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,200
community. That is the expectation

3208
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:37,480
around this table. And if we acknowledge

3209
02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:39,120
that, we can't accept anything less than

3210
02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:41,200
that. And I think a basic conversation

3211
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:44,240
is I don't understand what is being

3212
02:11:44,240 --> 02:11:45,200
outlined because there's a lot of

3213
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,360
numbers. That comes from a spirit of

3214
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:50,120
genuine genuineness. But if it is met

3215
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:51,480
with resistance, we're not going to be

3216
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:53,720
able to put forth a good recommendation

3217
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:54,760
and you're not going to be able to

3218
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:56,760
legally support it if challenged.

3219
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,800
>> Mr. President, I never said I could

3220
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:00,600
legally support the number. That was not

3221
02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:02,600
at all what I said. I said it didn't

3222
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,840
adequately reflect the amount of time

3223
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:06,840
and the amount of cost. And I have now

3224
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:09,360
provided it to I am an attorney. I am

3225
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:12,360
not an accountant. I have gone and put

3226
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,160
together as much as I can for you. I

3227
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:17,080
have a license to practice law. I do not

3228
02:12:17,080 --> 02:12:19,240
have a license to be an accountant, to

3229
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:21,120
do anything in financials other than

3230
02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:23,280
manage my own. I would I would say if

3231
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:24,680
you were actually putting these numbers

3232
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:26,560
together, I'd be highly concerned. The

3233
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:27,880
expectation from me would be that you

3234
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:29,800
delegated and the number that you give

3235
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,040
back to the council represents something

3236
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:33,600
that you can confidently support as an

3237
02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:35,320
attorney representing the city. That is

3238
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:37,520
my expectation. And to come back with

3239
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:40,480
hourly rates with the expectation

3240
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:42,840
that the council identifies this,

3241
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:44,400
further contending that it is not your

3242
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:46,400
role and expectation to do this, that

3243
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,320
comes across very disingenuous to me.

3244
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,360
It's not disingenuous. I'm not licensed

3245
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,400
to do that. You can't ask me to go fight

3246
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:54,360
a fire. I'm not I don't have any

3247
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:56,360
training in that.

3248
02:12:56,360 --> 02:12:57,920
Do you want to ask the mayor to work on

3249
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:58,880
it?

3250
02:12:58,880 --> 02:12:59,200
Mr.

3251
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:00,480
>> If the council is to make a decision,

3252
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:02,000
the numbers are there. So you got to go

3253
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:03,960
over it. It's 5,000, it's 6,000, it's

3254
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:05,520
4,000.

3255
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:07,000
It's

3256
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:08,600
Uh Mr. Torello, Mr. Chair.

3257
02:13:08,600 --> 02:13:10,640
>> I I agree. I mean the numbers are here.

3258
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:12,680
It's up to us to decide from well, at

3259
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:14,720
least to get a baseline of everything

3260
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:16,280
that's been provided other than the fact

3261
02:13:16,280 --> 02:13:18,000
that the clerk and the council we've

3262
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,200
never put any mock numbers together for

3263
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:22,280
corporation council. Come up with those.

3264
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:24,040
We should come up with

3265
02:13:24,040 --> 02:13:26,600
um I don't know. It just So but to your

3266
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,320
question, not to cut you off. So for

3267
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:29,640
this item that we're going to discuss in

3268
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:33,080
executive session for 1333 6th Avenue,

3269
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:34,640
you have that number.

3270
02:13:34,640 --> 02:13:36,480
Where?

3271
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:39,240
I'm sorry. The request for redemption.

3272
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:42,280
In this specific instance regarding that

3273
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:43,360
chart,

3274
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,160
were you able to calculate what that

3275
02:13:45,160 --> 02:13:46,360
number looks like based on the

3276
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:47,640
information that you have?

3277
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:49,560
>> First of all, we we need the clerk's

3278
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:51,520
estimate of how much time you clerk puts

3279
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,000
into it and how much time we're sitting

3280
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:55,360
around here and what our time is worth

3281
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:57,480
doing it as well. I mean these numbers

3282
02:13:57,480 --> 02:14:01,600
going line by line by line and every department's provided the

3283
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:03,360
information. So now it's up to us to

3284
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,440
decide what we're going to put our

3285
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:07,880
baseline at well, our total because we

3286
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:09,960
can't do a high and a low. It's every

3287
02:14:09,960 --> 02:14:12,280
foreclosure has to have this number on

3288
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:14,120
it. So I'd say again to repeat my

3289
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:16,160
question, you would be able to based on

3290
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:17,520
the council's

3291
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:18,360
uh

3292
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:20,440
agreement to move forward with that, you

3293
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:22,320
feel confident taking that chart and

3294
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:23,800
coming back with a recommended number

3295
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:25,120
based on the information?

3296
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:26,960
>> Yes, taking the chart and coming back

3297
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,160
with a recommended number. Absolutely.

3298
02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:31,400
>> confident in your abilities to do that

3299
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:34,120
in this instance, for every instance?

3300
02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:35,600
Whatever number we come up with,

3301
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:37,880
absolutely. We just threw that $5,000

3302
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,320
out there. Um

3303
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:42,040
originally,

3304
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:43,640
it's definitely more obviously than

3305
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,800
1,500 because the foreclosure alone is

3306
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:48,880
1,700. I I'm sorry, I don't understand.

3307
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:50,440
I think I think we could put a number

3308
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:52,040
together with the with the facts that

3309
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:53,240
were given.

3310
02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:55,760
So when we get into this item, I would

3311
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:57,040
ask that you have that you would have a

3312
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:00,280
number prepared for us. No,

3313
02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:01,760
But you're saying you can have that

3314
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:02,960
number for us.

3315
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:05,040
>> council we can work towards this number.

3316
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:08,510
Mr. President, the

3317
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:10,800
issue as I understand it is to come up

3318
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:13,800
with a flat fee. Yes, so it's not going

3319
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:16,560
to be exact for everything. If you want

3320
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:17,440
to

3321
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:19,920
back off and so we do the internal

3322
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:23,520
accounting for every

3323
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:24,713
properties

3324
02:15:24,713 --> 02:15:25,760
>> [clears throat]

3325
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:27,520
>> interaction,

3326
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:29,760
it dramatically increased our costs just

3327
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:31,840
doing the accounting. What it is is to

3328
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:36,120
come up with some fee that is

3329
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:37,880
a fair

3330
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:39,400
reflection of what [clears throat] the

3331
02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:42,480
time and effort is. And we've put forth

3332
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:44,920
a series of numbers there where the

3333
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:46,600
council and the council can stay with

3334
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:48,920
the $1,500 fee if you want. You can go

3335
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:50,680
$5,000.

3336
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:52,880
Some of those are probably

3337
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:53,760
the

3338
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:56,080
higher end of it when you actually

3339
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:57,640
put all the time and effort that goes

3340
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:58,680
into it.

3341
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:00,320
But it's the council has to make a

3342
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:03,840
decision on what the number is.

3343
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:05,320
And it's

3344
02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:07,240
on some properties

3345
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:08,680
we might make a little bit of money on

3346
02:16:08,680 --> 02:16:10,040
it. Other ones we're going to lose a

3347
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:11,560
little bit.

3348
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:13,080
Uh Mr. Chair is then Mr. Inger do you

3349
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:15,080
have any ways?

3350
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:17,120
Same vote I I still want to thank Mr.

3351
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:18,840
Inger. Uh Ms. Barash, I just want to say

3352
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:20,720
thank you. Um I know that it's a

3353
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:22,520
tireless job and I really appreciate all

3354
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:25,800
the hard work you put in. Um

3355
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:28,800
I sat and did the math just because I'm

3356
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:30,640
a math guy. I have an accounting degree.

3357
02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:32,178
Thank goodness. So I

3358
02:16:32,178 --> 02:16:32,880
>> [laughter]

3359
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:36,200
>> I did the 1 hour the 1 hour the 1 hour

3360
02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:38,200
times the rate and I came up with the

3361
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:40,760
number that came up not including what

3362
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:42,559
the council and the clerk did. It was

3363
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:45,950
$5,653.51.

3364
02:16:45,960 --> 02:16:48,080
Um so if we want to assign a number

3365
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:49,719
based on the city clerk and the the

3366
02:16:49,719 --> 02:16:51,519
council and come up with a per hour, I

3367
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:53,160
can do the math for us and then give us

3368
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:55,400
a number. Um but based on the

3369
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:57,080
information that we were provided, I

3370
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:58,679
just did the math so that I understood

3371
02:16:58,679 --> 02:17:00,080
where we were standing. So again, I

3372
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:01,320
appreciate you.

3373
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:03,830
>> Thank you.

3374
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:05,040
So if there are any other questions or

3375
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:06,559
comments, then I'd recommend that we

3376
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,280
stay where we've been at the $5,250

3377
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:11,120
based on the logic that I do not think

3378
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,120
we should itemize the time of the

3379
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:17,549
council nor the mayor.

3380
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:19,995
Oh, the mayor is very valuable.

3381
02:17:19,995 --> 02:17:23,390
>> [laughter]

3382
02:17:23,400 --> 02:17:31,719
» So if there is no pushback to that and if corporation council and

3383
02:17:31,719 --> 02:17:32,920
understanding of that, then I would say

3384
02:17:32,920 --> 02:17:35,000
that that is our fee moving forward as a

3385
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:37,400
council whenever we are

3386
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:40,990
reviewing these types of instances.

3387
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:43,599
I felt this way before.

3388
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:45,440
Like your $5,250

3389
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:46,639
figure that you estimated out when we

3390
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:48,519
did the breakdown prior, I got a number

3391
02:17:48,519 --> 02:17:50,320
a little less than that. I know he's

3392
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:52,320
added some things and other closing

3393
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:54,160
costs or receipts to get to the 5,600

3394
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:56,599
number. But I appreciate Mr. Inger

3395
02:17:56,599 --> 02:17:58,480
putting that together quickly as well.

3396
02:17:58,480 --> 02:17:59,719
And Ms. Barash, I want to thank you for

3397
02:17:59,719 --> 02:18:01,240
your time as I did earlier in the email.

3398
02:18:01,240 --> 02:18:02,599
I appreciate that this was done and that

3399
02:18:02,599 --> 02:18:04,320
you put this out. Once again, I want to

3400
02:18:04,320 --> 02:18:06,360
reiterate my question was not in a way

3401
02:18:06,360 --> 02:18:08,599
of coming after you in any way. It was a

3402
02:18:08,599 --> 02:18:10,080
simplicity to make sure other people and

3403
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:11,760
residents of the city who don't have an

3404
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:13,719
accounting degree or don't work inside

3405
02:18:13,719 --> 02:18:15,599
the city center or wherever we may work

3406
02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:17,120
can also understand this that may fall

3407
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:18,559
on hard times. So I appreciate you

3408
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:20,040
entertaining the council and our

3409
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:20,599
questions.

3410
02:18:20,599 --> 02:18:24,509
>> Thank you. Uh Mr. Torello.

3411
02:18:24,519 --> 02:18:26,200
I'm just thinking if if you had these

3412
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:29,679
numbers prior, I don't want to say why I put her on the

3413
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:31,599
spot, but

3414
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:33,280
you knew what the numbers were. You all

3415
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:35,240
you had to do was add them. I mean, you

3416
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:38,080
know, I'm just stating a fact. So

3417
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:39,880
>> I I looked at the numbers. My question

3418
02:18:39,880 --> 02:18:41,920
of putting her on the If I excuse me.

3419
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:43,120
Mr. Chair, if I may.

3420
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:44,559
My question and reasoning was to look

3421
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:46,160
for a more simplistic number once again.

3422
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:47,280
It had nothing to do with my own

3423
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:49,040
personal understanding of it, right? It

3424
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:51,160
was to ask if we would have the ability

3425
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:53,000
to get us a baseline. It was not a

3426
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:54,719
coming after her, not a going anywhere

3427
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:57,240
way. I may understand it, does not mean

3428
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:59,200
that Sarah Mae Smith may understand it,

3429
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:02,280
right? So, that's all I was That was the reasoning of asking her

3430
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:04,400
questions. Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr.

3431
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:06,599
Chair. But again, Sarah Mae Smith isn't

3432
02:19:06,599 --> 02:19:09,080
going to see this breakdown. We are. So,

3433
02:19:09,080 --> 02:19:10,960
we put this break She put this breakdown

3434
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:12,920
together from all the departments. Here

3435
02:19:12,920 --> 02:19:14,320
it is, and we're going to come up with

3436
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:17,960
in a month, which is 5600 or 5250.

3437
02:19:17,960 --> 02:19:20,040
So, what Sarah Mae Smith asked us that

3438
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:21,639
number, excuse me.

3439
02:19:21,639 --> 02:19:24,000
I apologize.

3440
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,200
It was cold until this weekend. I was

3441
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:26,800
outside, so I'm trying not to get a cold

3442
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:28,719
and lose my voice now. We have this

3443
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:31,320
breakdown that you don't. You Are we

3444
02:19:31,320 --> 02:19:32,679
going Are each council member going to

3445
02:19:32,679 --> 02:19:34,320
individually go break this down for

3446
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:37,519
Sarah Mae Smith? No. Oh, cuz that's what That was the reason for the

3447
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:38,880
So, we have to come up with a Oh, we

3448
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:40,080
did. And we did that at the last

3449
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,440
committee. My My concern was making sure

3450
02:19:42,440 --> 02:19:44,000
that that number is available for people

3451
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:45,960
to see it. And understanding that this

3452
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:47,679
that why we are doing what we're doing

3453
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:48,840
is based on these numbers. And we can

3454
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:50,880
have this all listed out online. It can

3455
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:52,080
be there for them, but it was making

3456
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:54,440
sure that people understood how we got

3457
02:19:54,440 --> 02:19:56,320
to those numbers, especially when we're

3458
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:58,040
doing what we do here as a council. May

3459
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:59,920
I? Mr. Mayor, uh

3460
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:02,440
I just have a legal question. Um

3461
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:04,080
let's say we stick with the 5250. Do you

3462
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:05,240
think that you could justify that in

3463
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:07,560
court if it was ever challenged?

3464
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:09,360
Based on this information. It would be

3465
02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:12,040
based on this and based on the emails

3466
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:13,080
that are attached.

3467
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:15,040
>> Okay. That is

3468
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:16,960
the That is what I came up with as a

3469
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:19,160
good faith effort. And your good faith

3470
02:20:19,160 --> 02:20:21,880
effort to add them up and make um a

3471
02:20:21,880 --> 02:20:23,680
final number based on that. I think that

3472
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:25,440
would be defensible. It's not an

3473
02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:30,000
overcharge. Um it's about what it costs.

3474
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:34,190
Mr. Mayor, well, let me

3475
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:37,200
What you can do is set a fee.

3476
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:40,160
Our cost could be $1,000,

3477
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:41,640
and the council can set a fee of

3478
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:45,440
$10,000, and that's what it is.

3479
02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:47,640
If you're setting if you're looking for

3480
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:49,360
what the actual expenses are and we're

3481
02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:51,040
recovering

3482
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:52,920
the actual amount, then it's variable.

3483
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:54,720
But it's the prerogative of the council

3484
02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:57,000
to [clears throat] set a fee for this

3485
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:00,480
process. So, you can say it's

3486
02:21:00,480 --> 02:21:04,120
$1,500, it's $5,000, it's $10,000. It

3487
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:06,480
doesn't matter what our actual costs

3488
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:09,920
are. You can make money on it.

3489
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,000
Or you can lose money on it.

3490
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:13,800
But I I I don't think we can make money,

3491
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:15,600
but I think to Mr. Engert's point, it's

3492
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:17,760
just ensuring that

3493
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:19,160
Don't believe that's true. The council

3494
02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:21,440
has the prerogative. So, you know,

3495
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:24,200
it's a parking fee. You can say

3496
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,520
If I get a parking ticket out front, I

3497
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:29,600
pay for my parking, it's fine.

3498
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:30,560
You get

3499
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:33,600
It's $10,000.

3500
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:35,240
It's the council's prerogative to set

3501
02:21:35,240 --> 02:21:36,760
that fee that high. And people say, "Oh,

3502
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:38,120
that's terrible."

3503
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:39,720
But

3504
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:41,800
to some of it, you In fact, you do want

3505
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:42,720
to

3506
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:43,880
probably make a little bit of money on

3507
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:45,360
some and lose a little bit of money on

3508
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:47,320
another ones. But I thought with the

3509
02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:49,520
foreclosures, we can only recoup the

3510
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:51,400
administrative costs, and then anything

3511
02:21:51,400 --> 02:21:53,400
beyond that would be held in escrow for

3512
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:54,960
that designated amount of time, which is

3513
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:58,480
3 years. Is that correct? Um so

3514
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:01,360
This is

3515
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:03,040
This was taken in foreclosure, but then

3516
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:06,400
the council is choosing to sell it back.

3517
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:09,870
So

3518
02:22:09,880 --> 02:22:12,160
That law The new The law is relatively

3519
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:13,920
new in the state of New York. So, not

3520
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:18,040
everything has been tested yet, but

3521
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:20,600
I don't believe that

3522
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:23,320
those rules would apply

3523
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:25,040
because

3524
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:28,040
the council is literally selling it back

3525
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:29,680
to the former owner. And as the mayor

3526
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:31,680
said, it's the council's prerogative to

3527
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,040
set the fee.

3528
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:34,640
And the fee

3529
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:36,480
can be whatever And that's what I said,

3530
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:42,000
the council sets the number. So

3531
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,240
No, the money does not need to be in

3532
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:46,880
escrow to answer that question.

3533
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:49,640
And I don't think that

3534
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:51,520
charging a fee

3535
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:54,720
in the amount of $5,250

3536
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:56,680
um

3537
02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:58,360
I don't think that that would be a

3538
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:00,280
um

3539
02:23:00,280 --> 02:23:02,200
I think that would be reasonable.

3540
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:03,960
But what would happen in court, I can't

3541
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:06,240
100% say. I mean, everything in when it

3542
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:08,640
goes to court becomes a question. But I

3543
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:10,880
think that this is a reasonable number

3544
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:13,280
to go with. And um as the mayor said,

3545
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,560
the council has the prerogative to set

3546
02:23:15,560 --> 02:23:17,120
the fee.

3547
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:18,520
And the council is choosing to set it

3548
02:23:18,520 --> 02:23:20,920
based on the estimation.

3549
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:21,600
But

3550
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:23,320
I think it's taking the

3551
02:23:23,320 --> 02:23:24,760
previous recommendation, and now we're

3552
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:27,560
able to support it. And that is what I

3553
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:29,160
can say I feel more confident now moving

3554
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:30,120
forward.

3555
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:31,840
Um so, I think we

3556
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:35,120
beat this topic to a pulp. Uh if there

3557
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:36,160
are any other further questions or

3558
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:37,600
comments, I know there's a part of it

3559
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:39,120
that we need to discuss in executive

3560
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:40,360
session.

3561
02:23:40,360 --> 02:23:41,160
Um

3562
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:43,080
Do you have another question? Just lying

3563
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:44,840
going back to the council, Mr. Barash,

3564
02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:46,360
is still Is your recommendation still

3565
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:49,040
strong at the 55,250 for the fee? I know

3566
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:50,640
we had charged nothing before, and that

3567
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:52,160
was the process of the conversation of

3568
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:54,080
what the city's loss was. Do we still

3569
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:55,600
feel confident in that number as

3570
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:57,320
corporation counsel? Mr. O'Brien can

3571
02:23:57,320 --> 02:23:58,720
freely answer as well, so it's not just

3572
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:00,080
all on me. Mr. Barash, you should allow

3573
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:02,080
me cuz we spent all this time on it.

3574
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,040
Yes, yeah. Is it Does it come directly

3575
02:24:04,040 --> 02:24:05,440
back to us is what we're saying? No, I

3576
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:06,800
don't I don't want to I'll I'll donate

3577
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:10,800
my time. It's okay. Uh so

3578
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,400
we're kind of rehashing what we just

3579
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:16,840
went through uh respectfully.

3580
02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:18,560
This is what I'm providing to the

3581
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:19,880
council.

3582
02:24:19,880 --> 02:24:26,120
Mr. Engert was kind enough to make some uh to make a calculation.

3583
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:29,680
He came up with more than $5,250.

3584
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,360
This doesn't even include the city

3585
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:33,280
council's time

3586
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:35,000
in all of this, including the time we're

3587
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:36,640
spending here. It doesn't include the

3588
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:40,000
clerk's time. So, I think in terms of a

3589
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:43,240
reasonable estimation of what it costs,

3590
02:24:43,240 --> 02:24:45,360
I think that that is a reasonable

3591
02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:47,920
estimation. In terms of what fee the

3592
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:49,720
council wants to set, it's truly up to

3593
02:24:49,720 --> 02:24:51,960
the council. If the council is okay with

3594
02:24:51,960 --> 02:24:53,720
losing with the city losing money and

3595
02:24:53,720 --> 02:24:56,360
setting it at $1,500 or $1,000, whatever

3596
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:58,120
it was before, that's the council's

3597
02:24:58,120 --> 02:24:59,800
prerogative. If the council wants to set

3598
02:24:59,800 --> 02:25:01,680
it at $10,000,

3599
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:03,600
I don't think that that's

3600
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:04,360
um

3601
02:25:04,360 --> 02:25:08,840
not appro- not not allowed either. So

3602
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:10,400
I think you're asking me if I support

3603
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:11,960
the number. I think that that's a

3604
02:25:11,960 --> 02:25:13,840
reasonable number if the council wants

3605
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:15,240
to adopt that number. I hope that

3606
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:17,040
answers your question. It It has long

3607
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:18,150
been a day.

3608
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:18,760
>> [laughter]

3609
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:20,560
>> Thank you. Great.

3610
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:22,320
Um so, we're going to come back to this

3611
02:25:22,320 --> 02:25:25,360
item, all other remaining items in um

3612
02:25:25,360 --> 02:25:26,360
city development planning can be

3613
02:25:26,360 --> 02:25:28,200
discussed in executive session. Mr.

3614
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:30,720
Mayor. On a completely different topic,

3615
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:32,520
and and just as a footnote to

3616
02:25:32,520 --> 02:25:34,680
for for other other discussions, the

3617
02:25:34,680 --> 02:25:37,000
term uh assessment review is a 5-year

3618
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:40,280
term. Oh, thank you. 5-year term um is

3619
02:25:40,280 --> 02:25:44,840
not a temporary member, a 5-year term.

3620
02:25:44,840 --> 02:25:46,360
Oh, the board. Okay. Yeah, the Board of

3621
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:48,440
Assessment Review. There was a question.

3622
02:25:48,440 --> 02:25:50,800
And then going further back regarding

3623
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:54,480
the schedule for the garbage collection

3624
02:25:54,480 --> 02:25:58,280
issue. So, with the next meeting uh that

3625
02:25:58,280 --> 02:26:00,000
will be committee meeting will be April

3626
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:01,880
20th, at which time the committee the

3627
02:26:01,880 --> 02:26:04,480
council will come up with a framework in

3628
02:26:04,480 --> 02:26:06,640
which Mr. LaFontaine, the corporation

3629
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:08,400
counsel's office, can then work from to

3630
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:10,920
draft do a draft ordinance. Draft

3631
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:13,120
ordinance could be presented to you all

3632
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:14,760
on May 4th

3633
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:16,680
of And then

3634
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:19,680
um you can call for a public hearing uh

3635
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,600
for uh May 26th.

3636
02:26:22,600 --> 02:26:25,040
And then the next uh council meeting

3637
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:27,320
after that would be June 8th with a

3638
02:26:27,320 --> 02:26:29,800
committee meeting on June 1st. So, with

3639
02:26:29,800 --> 02:26:32,760
that cycle, you could make the June 14th

3640
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:33,880
deadline.

3641
02:26:33,880 --> 02:26:36,120
So, that's the way ahead as far as the

3642
02:26:36,120 --> 02:26:37,840
cycles.

3643
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:39,520
It just shows that we need to be very uh

3644
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:41,280
conscientious of time cuz we don't have

3645
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:42,760
any to spare. So, as long as we stay on

3646
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:44,960
the timeline, we should be good.

3647
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,520
Thank you for that breakdown.

3648
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:48,120
And Mr. President, what exactly are we

3649
02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:50,360
discussing in executive session?

3650
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:53,200
Relating to this?

3651
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:55,640
Uh the request for the redemption for

3652
02:26:55,640 --> 02:26:58,600
item 18, the recommendation from Mr.

3653
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:00,200
O'Brien was to discuss the union

3654
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:01,800
contract in executive session pending

3655
02:27:01,800 --> 02:27:03,560
questions, and then the rest of property

3656
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:04,880
sales.

3657
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:07,160
Okay, so it's not relating to this

3658
02:27:07,160 --> 02:27:08,920
spreadsheet.

3659
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:10,960
No. Okay. We had that back, and we

3660
02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:12,600
approved Well, we not We didn't need to

3661
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:14,120
approve it. We just needed to publicly

3662
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:15,720
discuss it.

3663
02:27:15,720 --> 02:27:17,680
Correct. There's no formal resolution

3664
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:18,880
for that figure.

3665
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:20,360
But we're not setting a We're setting a

3666
02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:22,520
fee. Do we have to No, no, you just This

3667
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:24,360
is when you're It's what you're going to

3668
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:26,480
consider when you're in these these

3669
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:27,800
cases.

3670
02:27:27,800 --> 02:27:29,280
And that's the support that you have.

3671
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:31,400
So, it's not a formal setting of a fee.

3672
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:32,640
This is

3673
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:34,200
It would If you're setting If they're

3674
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:35,640
going to set a fee,

3675
02:27:35,640 --> 02:27:37,560
but it's going to be on It's not a

3676
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:40,240
formal fee ordinances.

3677
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:43,590
But should it be?

3678
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:47,200
I think it should be, but it's up to the

3679
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:49,800
council if they want to set a fee.

3680
02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:51,840
Um that makes it Then there would have

3681
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:53,800
to be a public hearing and a

3682
02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:56,480
ordinance amendment. Right. So, if the

3683
02:27:56,480 --> 02:27:59,040
council would like to set it as a fee,

3684
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,440
council has to go through the ordinance

3685
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:04,040
process. If the council would like to to

3686
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:05,440
use it as

3687
02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:08,000
uh something that is considered during

3688
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,760
these cases, then it it doesn't need to

3689
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:11,360
go through that.

3690
02:28:11,360 --> 02:28:12,320
I would say what I find with these

3691
02:28:12,320 --> 02:28:14,560
instances, they're so unique and there's

3692
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:15,960
so many considerations, I think it

3693
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:18,080
protects us and gives us boundaries to

3694
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:19,680
function within. There's nothing to say

3695
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:21,320
that we can't choose to lower that

3696
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:23,080
threshold, but I think what we recognize

3697
02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:25,160
is that that is the ceiling. Um and

3698
02:28:25,160 --> 02:28:26,880
because there's so much variability, I

3699
02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:29,040
think if we can accept and acknowledge

3700
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:29,880
this as a group based on my

3701
02:28:29,880 --> 02:28:31,400
conversation, this is what the number

3702
02:28:31,400 --> 02:28:34,480
should reflect. I think rather than kind

3703
02:28:34,480 --> 02:28:36,120
of tying us into the city code where if

3704
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:37,600
we need to make any slight adjustment,

3705
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:39,320
it requires just so much legislative

3706
02:28:39,320 --> 02:28:41,480
paperwork, we just accept this moving

3707
02:28:41,480 --> 02:28:44,240
forward without any formal.

3708
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:46,870
If that makes sense.

3709
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:48,920
Mr. Engert. I would respectfully

3710
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:51,240
disagree. I don't think it 5250 is a

3711
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:52,640
ceiling. I think that that would be the

3712
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:55,080
minimum just based on the numbers that

3713
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:57,720
we were provided. So, I think that

3714
02:28:57,720 --> 02:28:59,560
making it an ordinance and letting it go

3715
02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:01,320
to a public hearing lets new members of

3716
02:29:01,320 --> 02:29:03,240
the public at least

3717
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:05,400
come out and voice their opinion and

3718
02:29:05,400 --> 02:29:08,000
then that holds us to it because I would

3719
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:09,920
hate for us to say, you know, it's 5250

3720
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:11,520
today and then in a few weeks it's a

3721
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:12,640
different number and then in a few weeks

3722
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:13,640
it's a different number. How is that

3723
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:14,960
fair to

3724
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:15,760
somebody that goes through the

3725
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,160
redemption process today or somebody

3726
02:29:17,160 --> 02:29:18,480
that goes through the redemption process

3727
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:21,640
in a few weeks. I wouldn't say that it

3728
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:23,040
is something we have to do, but I would

3729
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:24,400
say because the nature of the council

3730
02:29:24,400 --> 02:29:26,040
can change year to year, that will

3731
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:27,640
require just so much additional

3732
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:30,400
legislative just movement. I'm not

3733
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:32,520
shifting from anyway from that number.

3734
02:29:32,520 --> 02:29:33,880
I'm just saying it allows us to have

3735
02:29:33,880 --> 02:29:35,520
wiggle room should we choose to. And the

3736
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:36,680
one thing to recognize with these

3737
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:38,480
properties is taxes are the one

3738
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:40,480
expectation yearly. We're considering

3739
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:41,640
this because there's unique

3740
02:29:41,640 --> 02:29:43,200
circumstances. So, I think if we can

3741
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:45,880
agree as a collective to that number, I

3742
02:29:45,880 --> 02:29:47,440
think we hold ourselves to that. We have

3743
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:49,080
this discussion transparently in front

3744
02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:51,200
of the community so they recognize and

3745
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:52,760
we can if requested provide this

3746
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:54,400
breakdown to anyone that was questioning

3747
02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:56,720
it. But I think to go along the process

3748
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,080
of the city code, my recommendation is

3749
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,120
not to, but we have two other members

3750
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:02,480
that would like to weigh in.

3751
02:30:02,480 --> 02:30:03,480
Okay.

3752
02:30:03,480 --> 02:30:05,880
Mr. Mayor. I I I you know, what we've

3753
02:30:05,880 --> 02:30:11,200
been through with um with uh people wanting to buy their

3754
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:12,960
properties back

3755
02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:15,360
um and

3756
02:30:15,360 --> 02:30:17,200
different sets of circumstances for

3757
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:19,480
each, I don't think we should I think

3758
02:30:19,480 --> 02:30:21,320
the the the fee should be set at the

3759
02:30:21,320 --> 02:30:24,440
minimum of 5250 with a resolution and

3760
02:30:24,440 --> 02:30:25,840
that way there we don't even have to

3761
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:29,440
worry about dickering um as a council

3762
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:32,400
and taking in again um

3763
02:30:32,400 --> 02:30:34,000
you know, doctor's notes and things like

3764
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,960
that. It's my personal opinion.

3765
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:38,040
Mr. Chair,

3766
02:30:38,040 --> 02:30:39,080
once again I'm going to be honest. This

3767
02:30:39,080 --> 02:30:40,520
is the second time this first time we

3768
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:41,840
discussed it publicly, but we discussed

3769
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:43,440
it in committee prior. I'm fine with the

3770
02:30:43,440 --> 02:30:45,320
number $5,025

3771
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:47,200
>> that was recommended estimatedly

3772
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:50,080
recommended by the Virgin Council prior.

3773
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:52,600
Um and I I agree that, you know, having

3774
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:54,600
that number um

3775
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:57,200
doesn't harm us in anyway. I don't know

3776
02:30:57,200 --> 02:30:58,560
from Mr. O'Brien's standpoint if it

3777
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:00,880
needs to go to code or so we have to

3778
02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:02,560
change everything, but I I feel

3779
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:04,000
perfectly fine with setting a flat fee

3780
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,080
of $5,025

3781
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:07,680
um so people understand exactly what

3782
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:09,440
they're going to be coming to the city

3783
02:31:09,440 --> 02:31:15,070
hall to pay to purchase their property.

3784
02:31:15,080 --> 02:31:15,600
Mr. Mayor.

3785
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,360
>> a number that we'll review further if

3786
02:31:17,360 --> 02:31:18,960
these need to be codified. You have a

3787
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,680
number in in in in in the short term.

3788
02:31:20,680 --> 02:31:22,120
You have a number.

3789
02:31:22,120 --> 02:31:24,000
With that Unless the mayor wants to pay

3790
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,480
for people to have their house back, in

3791
02:31:25,480 --> 02:31:27,240
which case

3792
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:28,920
Mr. Rash.

3793
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:32,520
Um on a related note

3794
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:34,560
the foreclosure process

3795
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,480
um it it takes a long time until a

3796
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:38,480
property

3797
02:31:38,480 --> 02:31:41,320
is foreclosed on and

3798
02:31:41,320 --> 02:31:43,360
during the foreclosure process, there is

3799
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:45,840
a 6-month redemption period.

3800
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:48,720
It used to be 3 years. It was the state

3801
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:51,120
law changed um last I think a couple

3802
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:54,520
years ago um that made it 6 months.

3803
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:57,720
Perhaps the council can think about what

3804
02:31:57,720 --> 02:31:59,440
the council can do, what the city can

3805
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:02,360
do, but what can can the members of the

3806
02:32:02,360 --> 02:32:06,760
city council do to help the community

3807
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:09,390
um

3808
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:11,080
not get to the point where they have to

3809
02:32:11,080 --> 02:32:13,280
purchase it back because if they just

3810
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:17,560
pay during the redemption period, they pay um

3811
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,840
the tax the back taxes, they pay the

3812
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:21,120
foreclosure fee and they pay the

3813
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:23,920
interest and they redeem it as of right.

3814
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:25,280
They don't have to go through all of

3815
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,240
this, you know, requests and and closing

3816
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,600
and and and deeds.

3817
02:32:30,600 --> 02:32:32,440
It it gets withdrawn from the

3818
02:32:32,440 --> 02:32:34,400
foreclosure and and it's called

3819
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:35,720
redeemed.

3820
02:32:35,720 --> 02:32:36,880
And

3821
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:38,800
once the once the city gets judgment and

3822
02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:41,840
then takes title, it winds up being much

3823
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,920
more complicated and much

3824
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:46,560
um more expensive. So, perhaps the city

3825
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:49,160
council can think about what it can do

3826
02:32:49,160 --> 02:32:50,800
to help

3827
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,480
people not get to this point because if

3828
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:54,680
they came if they were able to to raise

3829
02:32:54,680 --> 02:32:57,080
the money now, if they had just raised

3830
02:32:57,080 --> 02:33:00,040
it during the redemption period, it

3831
02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:02,320
would have been a lot simpler for them

3832
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:02,920
um

3833
02:33:02,920 --> 02:33:05,720
and for for us, of course, and certainly

3834
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:08,880
probably um

3835
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:10,080
you know,

3836
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:13,320
better um for their circumstances. So,

3837
02:33:13,320 --> 02:33:15,440
perhaps it's just a recommendation,

3838
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:16,880
think about what what can the city

3839
02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:24,240
council do uh to help people um

3840
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,320
recognize the need to become current on

3841
02:33:26,320 --> 02:33:27,880
their taxes

3842
02:33:27,880 --> 02:33:30,080
and um

3843
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:32,520
at least redeem during the redemption

3844
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:35,040
period, which which tons of people do.

3845
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:36,720
Tons and tons of people do. It's it's

3846
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:38,120
great.

3847
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:41,520
But then there are a few that that don't

3848
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:42,560
and they wind up having to go through

3849
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:43,840
this much more complicated and more

3850
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:46,640
expensive process. So, um I just wanted

3851
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:48,400
to bring to your attention that there is

3852
02:33:48,400 --> 02:33:51,320
a redemption period and

3853
02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:52,440
um

3854
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:54,440
perhaps there's a way to get through

3855
02:33:54,440 --> 02:33:56,640
your voices get it out to the community

3856
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:59,240
during each foreclosure, you know, get

3857
02:33:59,240 --> 02:34:02,240
to city hall and and pay those taxes so

3858
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:04,040
that you don't wind up having to go

3859
02:34:04,040 --> 02:34:05,480
through this much more complicated and

3860
02:34:05,480 --> 02:34:07,600
expensive process.

3861
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:10,040
Mr. Couldn't agree more. I think part of

3862
02:34:10,040 --> 02:34:11,840
our extended dialogue, which is at the

3863
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:13,680
expense of all of us watching the NCAA

3864
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:15,680
game that's on right now, I think it's

3865
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:17,240
recognizing that

3866
02:34:17,240 --> 02:34:19,440
in these sessions is when I find the

3867
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:21,520
most value because we're getting to the

3868
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:23,520
weeds of the issue. I cannot agree more.

3869
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:25,160
I attended a session in our community

3870
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:28,600
where had a a presentation by BC9 and

3871
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:31,320
SNAP talking about the foreclosure

3872
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:33,280
resources that they provide to residents

3873
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:36,160
and even with those, the number is still

3874
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:38,360
far reaching. We are always chasing.

3875
02:34:38,360 --> 02:34:40,400
Um in the cases that we had come before

3876
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:42,960
us, a lot of it is fear. A lot of it is

3877
02:34:42,960 --> 02:34:44,120
did the information go to the right

3878
02:34:44,120 --> 02:34:45,387
person? And if the expectation

3879
02:34:45,387 --> 02:34:45,920
[clears throat]

3880
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:48,240
is you need to know as a homeowner, we

3881
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:49,360
need to make sure that all of our

3882
02:34:49,360 --> 02:34:50,800
communication that's public facing

3883
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:52,760
reflects that. So, I think we can always

3884
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:55,440
chase education and enforcement, but

3885
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:57,040
sincerely just because the city can do

3886
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:58,840
something doesn't mean that it should

3887
02:34:58,840 --> 02:35:00,280
and that could not be more reflective of

3888
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:01,520
the fact that we sit here as

3889
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:03,320
representatives of the community to keep

3890
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:05,040
our hands on the balance scale. And I

3891
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,480
know that sometimes it seems as though

3892
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:08,680
we are pitting the city against itself,

3893
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:09,840
that is not the case. It is just

3894
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:11,400
ensuring that we are taking into

3895
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:13,560
consideration those unique moments where

3896
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:15,760
truly the system did not support the

3897
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:17,480
resident. And then how do we improve our

3898
02:35:17,480 --> 02:35:18,880
systems moving forward to ensure that it

3899
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:20,880
does? And to your point earlier, this is

3900
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:23,400
not every case, but I do think in those

3901
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:25,360
singular issues, I could have been one

3902
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:27,600
of those six youth that would have been

3903
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:28,760
foreclosed on and their house wouldn't

3904
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:30,520
have been taken away.

3905
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:32,000
Anyway, it's good. So, I think it's

3906
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:33,280
truly important to make sure that we

3907
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:35,080
remain guided by the work and its impact

3908
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:37,720
on the community and uh I think set

3909
02:35:37,720 --> 02:35:39,280
ourselves up for success. So, I think

3910
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:41,320
education is key. I think in a special

3911
02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:42,760
meeting we can bring some presentations

3912
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:44,400
in place to understand what the work

3913
02:35:44,400 --> 02:35:47,120
looks like on the ground. Um but I truly

3914
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:49,680
I think this conversation, although was

3915
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:51,760
strenuous, I think we've clearly

3916
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:53,120
outlined to the community that this is a

3917
02:35:53,120 --> 02:35:54,520
variable process and we're doing our

3918
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:56,320
best as a city and with that difference,

3919
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:59,510
we can continue forward.

3920
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:01,360
Um so, there are no other questions or

3921
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:04,920
comments. I'll ask for a recess.

3922
02:36:04,920 --> 02:36:07,120
I see the open plane.

3923
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:08,960
So moved. I will second. All those in

3924
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:11,640
favor? I have a recess.

3925
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:14,360
I'd like to call um to order please. We

3926
02:36:14,360 --> 02:36:16,840
have one item on the agenda.

3927
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:18,960
Um we're going to Long Pond Village

3928
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:21,160
Apartments LLC.

3929
02:36:21,160 --> 02:36:26,270
Um it will be in executive session. Um

3930
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:29,680
Uh who's on that committee? Oh, yes.

3931
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:30,800
I got it right here. Dre, Hayden,

3932
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:33,360
Justin. Yes. I think the motion to go

3933
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:36,120
into executive session. Second. All in

3934
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:36,680
favor?

3935
02:36:36,680 --> 02:36:38,560
>> Aye. We're in executive session. All the

3936
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:39,920
members of the public would have to

3937
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:43,933
leave, please and thank you.

3938
02:36:43,943 --> 02:37:08,888
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