1 00:00:07,279 --> 00:00:09,840 Good evening and uh like to call to 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,639 order the village of Riverside Board of 3 00:00:12,639 --> 00:00:15,120 Trustees regular meeting of Thursday, 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,960 April 16th, 2026. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,199 Uh please stand as you're able and join 6 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:24,720 me in the pledge of allegiance. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,160 I aliance to the flag of the United 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,359 States of America and to the republic 9 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,559 for which it stands. One nation under 10 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:37,680 God, indivisible, with liberty and 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,030 justice for all. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,960 » Clerk Stenzel, please call the role. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,320 >> Trusty Marsha here. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,280 >> Trusty Gallaga. 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,160 >> Trusty CS 16 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:48,800 >> here. 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,840 >> Trusty Evans here. 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,960 >> Trusty Matteo here. 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,920 >> Trusty Fitzgerald 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,920 >> here. President Pollock 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,399 >> here, 22 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:56,320 >> manager Francis here, attorney pickroll 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:56,640 here. 24 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,440 >> Also, President Clerk Stenzel. 25 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,680 >> So, under president's report, we have uh 26 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,840 three proclamations. I will start with 27 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,439 the Arbor Day proclamation. 28 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,200 Whereas in 1872, J. Sterling Morton 29 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,119 proposed to the Nebraska Board of 30 00:01:13,119 --> 00:01:15,520 Agriculture that a special day be set 31 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,640 aside for the planting of trees. And 32 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,600 whereas the holiday called Arbor Day was 33 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,000 first observed with the planting of more 34 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,119 than a million trees in Nebraska. 35 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:29,840 And whereas Arbor Day is now observed 36 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,479 throughout the nation and the world. And 37 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:35,280 whereas trees can reduce erosion of top 38 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,400 soil by wind and water, purify the air 39 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,360 and water by reducing pollution, 40 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,079 and create plant and wildlife diversity. 41 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:46,399 And whereas trees have been shown to 42 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:49,360 reduce crime, increase property values, 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,280 reduce heating and cooling cost, and 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,399 conserve energy use. And whereas trees 45 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:56,720 can beautify our parks and streets, 46 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,399 improve the quality of our urban 47 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:01,040 environment, and carry on the tradition 48 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,360 planned by the inventive vision of 49 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,600 Frederick Lawstead. 50 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,680 And whereas trees wherever they are 51 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,840 planted are a source of joy and 52 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,040 spiritual renewal. Where and whereas the 53 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,200 village of Riverside plans to plant a 54 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,239 sweet birch and pecan tree at the Repton 55 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:20,640 South Coat triangle to celebrate Arbor 56 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,680 Day. Now therefore, be it resolved that 57 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,800 I, Doug Py, village president, proclaim 58 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,280 the day of April 24th, 2026 as Arbor Day 59 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,920 in the village of Riverside. And I urge 60 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,959 all citizens to plant and care for trees 61 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:38,800 to gladden the heart and promote the 62 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 protection and care of trees within our 63 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,560 community and woodlands. In witness 64 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,640 hereof, I have set my hand and fix the 65 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,800 seal of the village of Riverside the 66 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,790 16th day of April 2026. 67 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,680 We also have uh two other proclamations 68 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,440 which I would like to call on trustees 69 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,120 to read. The first is uh world migratory 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,560 bird day proclamation. Trusty Matteo. 71 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,280 >> Thank you, President Polly. Whereas 72 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,680 World Migratory Bird Day helps to focus 73 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,840 public attention on the nearly 350 74 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,519 species that travel between nesting 75 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:17,360 habitats in our communities and 76 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,440 throughout North America and their 77 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,200 wintering grounds in South America, 78 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,519 Central America, and Southern North 79 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:25,440 America. And whereas the village of 80 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,760 Riverside has celebrated migratory birds 81 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 as part of Global Big Day events since 82 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,159 2024. 83 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:33,920 Whereas Global Big Day is an annual 84 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,080 event organized by the Cornell Lab of 85 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Ornithology in which bird watchers from 86 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,000 around the world come together to 87 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,840 document as many bird species as 88 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,720 possible in a 24-hour period. And 89 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,720 whereas World Migratory Bird Day and 90 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,280 Global Big Day, both held annually on 91 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,200 the second Saturday in May, provide a 92 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,959 unique opportunity for people around the 93 00:03:52,959 --> 00:03:54,319 world to come together through the 94 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,560 shared love of birds. And whereas 95 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,480 migratory birds and their habitats are 96 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,040 declining throughout the Americas and 97 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,560 are facing a growing number of threats 98 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,480 on their migration routes and in their 99 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,879 summer and winter homes. And whereas 100 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:08,879 citizen scientists and bird enthusiasts 101 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:11,200 of all ages and abilities are encouraged 102 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,040 to participate in Global Big Day by 103 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,120 spending time observing and recording 104 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,280 birds in their local communities. And 105 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,120 whereas these collective observations 106 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,280 contribute valuable data to scientific 107 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:23,280 research, helping to monitor bird 108 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,759 populations, track migration patterns, 109 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:28,320 and identify conservation needs. And 110 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,400 whereas by participating, we foster a 111 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,479 deeper connection with nature and 112 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:34,000 promote the importance of bird 113 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,080 conservation. And whereas the 114 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,520 Displayplains River Corridor in 115 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Riverside is designated by the National 116 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,440 Ottabon Society as an important bird 117 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,600 area offering food and shelter to 118 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,160 migrating birds. Now therefore, be it 119 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,840 resolved that we, the members of the 120 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,479 village of Village Board of Trustees, do 121 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:54,720 hereby proclaim May 9th, 2026 as World 122 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,720 Migratory Bird Day in Riverside, 123 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,790 Illinois. 124 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,080 » Thank you. Uh and then we have a third 125 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,360 proclamation uh international dark sky 126 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,280 week proclamation and I would like to 127 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,680 ask Trusty Evans to read that 128 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,280 proclamation. 129 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:15,199 >> Whereas the aesthetic beauty and wonder 130 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:17,280 of a natural night sky is a shared 131 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:19,520 heritage of all humankind and a 132 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,440 foundational element of the village of 133 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Riverside's historic character. And 134 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,680 whereas the experience of standing 135 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,919 beneath a starry night sky inspires 136 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:30,080 feelings of wonder and awe, encouraging 137 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,080 interest in science and nature while 138 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,080 fostering a deep connection to the 139 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,360 natural world. Whereas light pollution, 140 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,440 excessive artificial lighting at night 141 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,919 that disrupts natural darkness has 142 00:05:41,919 --> 00:05:44,240 scientifically established consequences 143 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,160 impacting human health, the environment, 144 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,039 and the economy. And whereas Riverside 145 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:50,960 is situated within the Mississippi 146 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,039 flyway where hundreds of millions of 147 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:55,280 birds navigate by stars during peak 148 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,759 migration seasons and light pollution 149 00:05:57,759 --> 00:05:59,919 acts as a major disruptor to these 150 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:02,479 species and other nocturnal wildlife and 151 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:04,800 pollinators. And whereas the village of 152 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,479 Riverside has demonstrated its 153 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:08,400 commitment to sustainability through the 154 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,639 road to 2050 climate action and 155 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,360 resilience plan which prioritizes the 156 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,440 reduction of energy waste and the 157 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,400 protection of our local ecosystem. 158 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,800 And whereas Riverside is actively pursuing designation as an 159 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,280 international dark sky community joining 160 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,280 the global movement to implement best 161 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,120 practices and sustainable outdoor 162 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,000 lighting. And whereas International Dark 163 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,759 Sky Week is a global celebration 164 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:35,440 intended to raise awareness of light 165 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,919 pollution and provide education on 166 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:39,680 responsible lighting solutions that 167 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,680 protect the night sky while maintaining 168 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,720 safety and security. Now therefore, be 169 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,479 it resolved that we, the trustees of the 170 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:51,120 village of Riverside Board, do hereby 171 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,479 proclaim April 13 through April 20, 2026 172 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:57,039 as International Dark Sky Week in the 173 00:06:57,039 --> 00:06:59,599 Village of Riverside and encourage all 174 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:01,599 residents and businesses to join in this 175 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:03,840 observation observance by assessing 176 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:06,160 their outdoor lighting, using shielded 177 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,560 and downward-facing fixtures, and 178 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,199 turning off non-essential lights to help 179 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:13,520 preserve the beauty of our night's guys 180 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,240 for generations to come. 181 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,120 >> Thank you, Trusty Evans. Um, 182 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,680 one item uh before I get into upcoming 183 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,520 meetings, one item that I did want to 184 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,360 ask the uh trustees about uh it recently 185 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,199 came to my attention uh that one of our 186 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:35,039 restaurants in town, Choo Choo, was 187 00:07:35,039 --> 00:07:37,039 celebrating their 30th anniversary, 188 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:38,560 right? Mhm. 189 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,840 >> And uh I was asked, you know, should we 190 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,520 recognize that or acknowledge that? And 191 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,479 it got me to thinking about that in a 192 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:48,479 broader sense. And I would like to ask 193 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:50,560 the board if you're interested in 194 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,479 directing our economic development 195 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:55,919 commission to look into uh business 196 00:07:55,919 --> 00:07:58,160 anniversary recognition program. 197 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,560 >> Yes, I would. 198 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,240 So we will uh push that to the economic 199 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,599 development commission and we look 200 00:08:05,599 --> 00:08:06,560 forward to 201 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,919 >> longevity. Absolutely. 202 00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:09,840 >> Yeah. Yeah. They they can tell us you 203 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,879 know 1 5 10 whatever. 204 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,680 Leave leave the details up to that. 205 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,080 >> Great. 206 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,919 >> And let's not forget the milestone about 207 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:20,400 legalizing alcohol sales in restaurants 208 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,990 too. happens. 209 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,800 » Upcoming meetings include 210 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,360 >> I have a quick trustee report just um 211 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,520 sort of dovetailing on the um 212 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,159 >> Sure. Go ahead. 213 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,560 >> migratory birds and the dark skies. 214 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:37,120 Wednesday of next week is Earth Day 215 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,320 >> and the uh Riverside Community Garden is 216 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,320 having a Earth Day celebration, 217 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,080 familyfriendly. all kinds of 218 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,519 organizations from throughout the 219 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,240 village will be there with um activities 220 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,000 that are, you know, geared towards being 221 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,080 friendly to the planet. So that's at 3 222 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,640 PM at the Ascension Lutheran Church at 223 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 400 Nuttal Kitty Corner from Ames. So 224 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,720 hope to see you all there. 225 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,880 >> Great. Thank you. 226 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,480 >> Okay. So also the Knights of Columbus 227 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,120 will have their annual pasta night on 228 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,519 the 25th of April. That'll be at St. 229 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,920 Mary's from 4:30 to 8. And then uh Lions 230 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,680 will have the annual chicken dinner on 231 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,360 May 3rd, which is a Sunday here at 232 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Township Hall. And that'll be from 12:00 233 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,600 to 5:00. So when it comes to food, I I 234 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,279 hope people pay attention because I sure 235 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:21,760 do. 236 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,600 >> Great. 237 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,160 I I did want to announce upcoming 238 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,680 meetings. Uh that includes April 22nd, 239 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:31,360 Planning and Zoning Commission regular 240 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,600 meeting, uh Village Hall, 6:30 p.m. Uh 241 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,560 April 23rd, Police Pension Board regular 242 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,959 meeting, Riverside Village Hall, room 243 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:43,600 22. 244 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,839 It does 6:30 p.m. 245 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:47,920 >> for police pension. That's at 1:00. 246 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,560 >> 1:00 1 p.m. at Village Hall. Uh, April 247 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,959 27th, parks parks and recreation board 248 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:57,040 regular meeting at the Riverside Public 249 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,200 Library, 6:30 p.m. And uh, our next 250 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 meeting of the village board is two 251 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,959 weeks from tonight or three weeks from 252 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:07,200 tonight actually. Right. Anyway, it's 253 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,440 May 7th. Um, is our next re regular 254 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,360 meeting 6:30 p.m. here at the village 255 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,640 hall as as usual. Uh, are there any 256 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,200 additional trustee reports? 257 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,519 >> Yes. So, we've talked about World 258 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:23,360 Migratory Bird Day and Global Big Day 259 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,519 that are both happening on May 9th. That 260 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:27,440 may sound like a kind of odd thing for 261 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,920 the village to wrap its arms around, but 262 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,160 over the past 50 years, North America 263 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,880 has lost three billion breeding birds. 264 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,279 And that's because of loss of habitat 265 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:39,279 where they spend their winters, where 266 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,519 they spend their summers on their treks 267 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,000 north. Some some birds travel 12,000 268 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,760 miles one way to get to the breeding 269 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,839 grounds. So, they're they're very 270 00:10:47,839 --> 00:10:50,079 threatened. And so that's why we want to 271 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:52,480 document and conserve and celebrate the 272 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,560 birds that come through here and some of 273 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,279 them find Riverside their home for the 274 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:59,120 summer. Um there are a lot of activities 275 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,200 that are being planned for the 9th. I'd 276 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,880 like people to put it on their schedule 277 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,720 just carve out a little bit of time that 278 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,000 morning. I know it's a really busy 279 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,320 weekend. Parks and Recreation will be 280 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,120 the host at the Scout Cabin. We'll get 281 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,959 more details about what's happening, but 282 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:15,600 we'll have a bird walk starting at 9:00. 283 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Wings and Talons will be bringing birds 284 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,760 of prey for people to look at and learn 285 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,880 from. Brookfield Zoo and landscape um 286 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,800 advisory commission will be there with 287 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,600 materials. Um we'll have a raffle giving 288 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,160 away bird feeders donated by Wild Birds 289 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Unlimited. Um thank you to Laura and Mel 290 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Tracy who live in Brookfield, but also 291 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,320 appreciate Riverid's birds. Um there's 292 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,800 going to be a bug eating challenge and I 293 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,560 hope all of my fellow trustees will be 294 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,560 there to take on that challenge. 295 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,800 protein. It's good for the environment. 296 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,720 Uh there's going to be scavenger hunt, 297 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,880 arts and craft for kids, and a photo 298 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,880 opportunity. I understand a very large 299 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,200 nest with eggs that kids can sit in and 300 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,040 get their pictures taken. So again, May 301 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,040 9th in the morning at Scout Cabin. Hope 302 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,560 you can make it. If you can't make it 303 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,959 that day, and I'll be very brief here in 304 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:04,160 the future, there are other things you 305 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,680 can do to protect birds. You can turn 306 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,519 off your lights during migration, both 307 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,680 spring and fall. You can plant native 308 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:11,279 plants and so that the birds will have 309 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,440 food for themselves and for their kids 310 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,160 if they're breeding here. And finally, 311 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,160 touchy subject I know, but maybe next 312 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,240 year think about delaying your yard 313 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,560 cleanup by a few weeks. Allow some 314 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,160 insects to come out of the ground, come 315 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,160 out of the leaf litter again for those 316 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,920 birds. Just some ideas to put out there. 317 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,680 Hope to see a bunch of folks on May 9th. 318 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:30,160 Thank you. 319 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,120 >> Great. Thank you. 320 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,200 >> What time was May 9th? 321 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,040 >> The birdwalk is 9 to 11. Thank you for 322 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,279 asking. The other activities start are 323 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,760 from 10:30 to 12 again at the scout 324 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,320 cabin. So if you can come for 5 minutes 325 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,480 or come for 3 hours, you're welcome. 326 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,760 >> The other trustee reports 327 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,760 are good. Uh manager report, manager 328 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,480 Francis. 329 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,279 >> Thank you. I have a couple of um things 330 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:58,160 that I wanted to recognize. Uh this is 331 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,360 telecommun telecommunicator week. Um, so 332 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,639 I wanted to recognize our dispatchers 333 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:06,240 from West Central Consolidated 334 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,399 Communications Center and also our 335 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:09,760 executive director. So I'm actually 336 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,120 going to go really quick through their 337 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,480 names because I think it's important to 338 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,639 recognize them individually. So Tom 339 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,880 Perfect, our executive director, Greg 340 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Ryel, our communication operations 341 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,720 analyst, and here are full-time 342 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,000 employees. Gina Place Placia, Dena 343 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,480 Wetszler, Kizzy Smith, Kristen 344 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,680 Roasovich, Jacqueline James, Nelly 345 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,399 Santana, Steve Espinosa, Amanda 346 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,279 Phillips, Irene Luki, Michael Quan, 347 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:38,959 Nikki Mal Malusio, Christina Chavez, 348 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:41,519 Cheryl Renie, Lara, Selena Villa, 349 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:44,639 Jennerquila, Christine 350 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,279 Eujenowski, sorry if I pronounced it 351 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:51,120 incorrectly, John Fernowski, and Neri 352 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,240 para Francco. So, thank you to all of 353 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,560 their work. They are a huge lifeline to 354 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,600 our public safety personnel and um 355 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,399 because typically you never see them um 356 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:03,839 you know sometimes we want to make sure 357 00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:05,360 that they are recognized even more 358 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,120 importantly so for all their important 359 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,120 work that they do because they are the 360 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,440 ones that you talk to when you call 911 361 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,079 or are non-emergency. 362 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:16,399 Additionally, I wanted to recognize 363 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,680 Riverside staff members um that are 364 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,440 having some milestones in the month of 365 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,360 April and they include Janette Owano who 366 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,760 is our aerobics instructor and has been 367 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,959 for 24 years. Frank Koopa Krupa, our 368 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:32,880 code enforcement inspector, has been 369 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,440 with the village for four years. Um Mike 370 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Panic, who is a police sergeant, has 371 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,199 been with the village for 15 years. 372 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:42,160 Hunter Duzek, who has been with both 373 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,880 Riverside TV and as a full-time employee 374 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,000 in total for five years. Laura Burstein, 375 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 who's an admin assistant in the police 376 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,519 department, has been with the village 377 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:55,120 for two years. Michael Jeruski, uh, 378 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 public works maintenance operator, 13 379 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,240 years. Kevin Delgado, patrol officer, 380 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,959 three years. Joseph Vargas, police 381 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:07,040 officer, one year. and Ron Melchiode, 382 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,760 director of parks and recreation, 23 383 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,750 years. 384 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,839 » Thank you to all those employees. 385 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,639 >> And I have one final announcement um 386 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:20,800 with more information to come, but it's 387 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,199 important and I would equally like 388 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:25,199 residents to mark their calendars. We 389 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:27,680 will be doing an open house relative to 390 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,160 our public safety facility with Williams 391 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,480 on May 19th from 5 to 7:00 p.m. It will 392 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,199 be at station 2. And why is it at at 393 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:39,600 station two, you may ask? Because all 394 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,360 the other areas within 395 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,880 um the town hall are unavailable. And so 396 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,600 I think it is appropriately suited that 397 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,519 it would be in station I'm sorry, I 398 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,680 think I said station two. Station one. 399 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,000 Um and so everything will be set up in 400 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,320 station one. They will initially do 401 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,279 anformational program um explaining the 402 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,680 facility and other pieces and then they 403 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,880 will do different exercises and have 404 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,720 different groups um for gathering 405 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,040 community feedback on the facility which 406 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,199 will also include not just different 407 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:17,839 materials and finishes but also will 408 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:20,480 touch upon um different sustainability 409 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,160 items. So, we'll be beginning that 410 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,880 discussion. Ultimately, all of that 411 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,959 feedback will then be brought back to 412 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:29,279 the village board at a later date, but 413 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,279 May 19th 414 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,399 >> and station one being the fire station 415 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,120 adjacent to the village hall and police 416 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,079 offices. 417 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:41,040 >> Correct. Thank you. 418 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,759 >> Uh public comments, non-aggenda items. 419 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:45,680 Is uh this is the opportunity for anyone 420 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 in the public to address the board on a 421 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,880 non-aggenda item? 422 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,440 I see no one here to address the board 423 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,279 on the non-aggenda items. So, I will 424 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:58,240 move on. Uh, clerk Stenzel, please call 425 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,040 or please read the consent agenda. 426 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,519 >> Ratify voucher list of bills, April 2nd, 427 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:06,240 2026. Approve voucher list of bills, 428 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,280 April 16th, 2026. Approve village board 429 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,039 of trustees regular meeting minutes, 430 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:14,480 March 19th, 2026. Review and file board 431 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,160 and commission minutes. Planning and 432 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Zoning Commission, regular meeting 433 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,640 minutes, January 28th, 2026. Riverside 434 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,400 TV Commission, regular meeting minutes, 435 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,360 February 2nd, 2026. Preservation 436 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:26,640 Commission, regular meeting minutes, 437 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,120 February 12th, 2026. Parks and 438 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,559 Recreation Board, regular meeting 439 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:33,520 minutes, February 23rd, 2026. 440 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,679 Review and file department reports. 441 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:38,240 Community development January 2026. 442 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Community development February 2026. Uh, 443 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,990 community development March 2026. 444 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,679 Sorry. Uh, public works March 2026, 445 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:53,280 finance department, March 2026. 446 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,640 A resolution of the village of 447 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,799 Riverside, Illinois, waving competitive 448 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:58,559 bidding and authorizing the village 449 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:01,039 manager to execute an agreement with US 450 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,360 tennis court construction for a total 451 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,039 amount not to exceed $53,000 for the BLE 452 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:09,520 multi-use court project. 453 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,880 A resolution of the village of 454 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Riverside, Illinois, waving competitive 455 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,640 bidding 456 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,480 and authorizing the village manager to 457 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,280 enter into various purchase orders. Oh, 458 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,520 pardon. I skipped through two of them. 459 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,280 Motion to approve a resolution waving 460 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,720 competitive bidding and authorizing the 461 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,400 village manager to enter into various 462 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,640 purchase orders. a resolution 463 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,280 authorizing a $360,000 464 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,919 interfund transfer from the general fund 465 00:18:33,919 --> 00:18:36,720 and a $72,517 466 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,320 interfund transfer from the parks and 467 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,880 recreation fund to the capital projects 468 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 fund to fund capital expenditures. A 469 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,120 resolution authorizing a $250 470 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,360 uh,000 interfund transfer from the 471 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,880 general fund to the street improvement 472 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,720 fund for reimbursement of maintenance 473 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,120 expenses and an ordinance amending the 474 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,120 village code relative to crossing by 475 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:02,630 vehicles and amending a fee schedule. 476 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,240 » Do any of these items need to be 477 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,760 removed? 478 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,160 >> None. Um, could I have a motion and a 479 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,720 second to approve the consent agenda? 480 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,280 >> Second. 481 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,559 >> Motion and second. Um, clerk stenzel. 482 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:15,760 >> Trusty Marshauska. Hi, 483 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,840 >> Trusty Gallagh. Hi, 484 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,880 >> Trusty Evans. Hi, 485 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,919 >> Trusty Mattail. Hi, 486 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:20,799 >> Trusty Fitzgerald. 487 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:22,000 >> Hi. 488 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,240 >> Uh, motion carries. Consent agenda is 489 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,799 approved. Uh, we go on to department, 490 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:29,120 board, and commission reports. We have a 491 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,280 preservation commission report tonight 492 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,640 from Director Siren. 493 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,320 >> Thank you very much. I have two brief 494 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,240 updates uh for you from the preservation 495 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,559 commission. The commission recommends 496 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,080 that the village landmark the stone 497 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160 gutter in Harrington Park. This is the 498 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,440 last remaining example of the 499 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,039 construction of the Riverside roadway 500 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,440 system designed by Mstead and Box and it 501 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,960 exemplifies a design detail and 502 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,799 construction method conceived to achieve 503 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,880 a specific aesthetic intent while 504 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,160 preserving the structural and 505 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,000 operational integrity of the roadway 506 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,240 system. Unless the board objects, the 507 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,440 application will proceed to the 508 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,640 preservation commission for a public 509 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,039 hearing on June 1st and an ordinance to 510 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:04,880 designate the stone curb as a landmark 511 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,080 structure would be presented to the 512 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,200 board at a meeting this summer. 513 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520 >> Should we take that one first? Any 514 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,280 objection on it? No. Pardon? 515 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,480 >> We're not voting on it. 516 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,240 >> No, just direction to proceed. 517 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,080 >> Just direction as to proceed. 518 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,200 >> Yeah, I'm in favor of it. In 519 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,440 >> Okay, thank you. 520 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,520 >> I just was wondering how are we going to 521 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,760 preserve this from further erosion? 522 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,679 Is anybody ever anybody thinking about 523 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:34,000 that? It's going to erode. It's so It 524 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,360 looks very fragile. And 525 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,880 >> what are we going to do about that? I 526 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,760 don't think it's going to be around 527 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,640 forever. 528 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,720 >> It's a question that that needs to be 529 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,880 addressed, but it's been there for a 530 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,960 long long time. 531 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Um, but 532 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,480 take that under advisement. 533 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,480 >> I'll uh ask for research from the state 534 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,919 historic preservation office and see if 535 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:57,280 they have any guidance they can provide 536 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,120 to us and I'll report back to the board. 537 00:20:59,120 --> 00:20:59,760 >> Thanks. 538 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,799 >> Of course. 539 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,320 >> Then you had another one. 540 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,120 >> I do. I I had an update on the public 541 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,039 safety facility. Williams architects 542 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,640 presented the designs to the 543 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,919 preservation commission and asked for 544 00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:13,840 feedback on schemes one and two. Um they 545 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,880 also had schemes three and four 546 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,240 available to them and they reviewed 547 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,799 those as well. Uh generally the 548 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:20,799 commissioners felt that all felt that 549 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,320 seeing the proposed materials and colors 550 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,000 would really be helpful. They felt that 551 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,880 you know the buildings were a little 552 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,919 heavy without those. Um they all agreed 553 00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:30,240 on that. Regarding scheme two, uh the 554 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,000 commission did not express a clear 555 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,679 consensus in favor of scheme one or 556 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,679 scheme two. Uh they did note that scheme 557 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,440 two is more successful in connecting the 558 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,280 street to the river and that the area 559 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,360 near the river uh appears to be more 560 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,120 developed um and has potential as a 561 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,840 public amenity. Um they thought the 562 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,440 horizontal datams were more evident in 563 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,960 scheme 2 and that breaking up uh the 564 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,960 long horizontal surfaces they saw as an 565 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,600 improvement um as the uninterrupted 566 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,880 horizontal planes can feel overpowering. 567 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,159 Three commissioners expressed support 568 00:21:58,159 --> 00:21:59,760 for scheme three, noting it was the most 569 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,360 contemporary of the designs which they 570 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,200 supported. It was described as similar 571 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,799 to scheme one but more successfully 572 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,520 engaging the river. 573 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,440 Regarding the river elevation and 574 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,039 pedestrian experience, the commissioners 575 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,640 noted that many people will walk past 576 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,720 this building daily. Uh making the 577 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,159 relationship between the building's form 578 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:17,600 and the river one of the most important 579 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,280 design considerations for the building 580 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,320 and the site. 581 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,559 The river-facing facade, particularly on 582 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,080 the eastern portion of the building near 583 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,880 the swing bridge, was described as stark 584 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,280 and uninviting. Uh the sheer wall with 585 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,799 slit windows at the top were described 586 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,200 as unwelcoming for pedestrians. So the 587 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840 commission uh suggested ways to uh 588 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,440 soften the appearance of the building. 589 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,679 Um I think in using different materials 590 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:43,360 um and textures, understanding that they 591 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:44,559 can't have windows in that portion of 592 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,720 the building due to the operation of it. 593 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960 Um, the commission also uh suggested 594 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,919 ways uh to soften the river uh using 595 00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:53,360 plant materials or limestone 596 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:54,960 outcroppings that step down toward the 597 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,799 river and recommending researching 598 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,240 examples of pathways that actually 599 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 extend out over the water as an option. 600 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,640 Um they also suggested considering if 601 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,120 possible a way to improve the connection 602 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,559 between the pathway and the swing 603 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:07,520 bridge. They thought that was a little 604 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,039 awkward. When you exit the pathway you'd 605 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,400 have to go double back to get on the 606 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,840 swing bridge, though we're not sure if 607 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,840 there's a solution to that. And that was 608 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,840 the feedback from the commission. Thank 609 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,640 you. Any questions or comments from the 610 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,159 board? 611 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:23,679 Um so that information uh our architects 612 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,919 will take that under advisement 613 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:29,679 uh and after the open house uh they will 614 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:34,480 begin working on updates, revisions and 615 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,240 bring something back to us at that time. 616 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,240 Correct. 617 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,870 >> Thank you. 618 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,039 Next on the agenda under pending 619 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,120 business is discussion regarding 620 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,440 annually licensed food trucks. Director 621 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,159 Siren. 622 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:52,240 >> Thank you. The board has discussed this 623 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,159 several times and uh most recently on 624 00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:55,679 February 19th, the board generally 625 00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:57,200 agreed on a set of standards for food 626 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,200 trucks. Those are summarized uh starting 627 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,679 on page six of the agenda history sheet. 628 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:03,039 The board requested the planning and 629 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:04,240 zoning commission's input on these 630 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,000 standards, one of which is to require a 631 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 special use, which is a type of zoning 632 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,080 review, to allow food trucks to operate 633 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,760 as a licensed business in the central 634 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,159 business district. Uh the majority of 635 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:15,440 the commission, four out of the six 636 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,880 commissioners did not support allowing 637 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,559 food trucks in the central business 638 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,640 district even with a special use. Uh 639 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,120 they listed a few reasons for that. Uh 640 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,400 the community is trying to have more 641 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,760 transit oriented development which 642 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,200 includes more housing in the central 643 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,400 business district and it may not be 644 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,559 desirable for folks living uh in that 645 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,720 area to have a food truck and a parking 646 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,880 lot nearby. They felt that food trucks 647 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,080 would be inconsistent with the character 648 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,840 of the CBD particularly where a parking 649 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,080 lot is next to a residence which is uh 650 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,240 tied to the first point that the the 651 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,679 community is trying to promote brick and 652 00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,000 mortar uh businesses which food trucks 653 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,159 would not be. Uh there aren't any 654 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:49,679 pending requests for food trucks 655 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:51,919 currently. Um the village can reconsider 656 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:53,520 the issue if it receives many requests 657 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,960 for permits in the central business 658 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,559 district and a um a property owner could 659 00:24:58,559 --> 00:24:59,760 have a special event with a food truck 660 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,240 without a special use permit. Um they 661 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,360 just couldn't operate every day of the 662 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,480 week. So they think there's an 663 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,960 alternative option to getting a special 664 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,200 use permit. Uh the remainder of the 665 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,480 commission's feedback is included in the 666 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,000 agenda history sheet and I can review 667 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,960 those comments at your request. Um I 668 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,480 would like to note a few things. Um 669 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,840 there was an issue that was previously 670 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,440 mentioned by staff but not discussed by 671 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320 the board. Um the issue was whether the 672 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,480 owner of a multi-unit commercial 673 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,559 shopping center should be able to wave 674 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,320 the 100 foot separation requirement 675 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,480 between a food truck on their property 676 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,400 and a brickandmortar restaurant on the 677 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320 same property. So the one example of 678 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,840 this would be the Shining Smiles 679 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,799 shopping center. There's a location uh 680 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,559 on the property that would meet the 681 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,640 residential separation requirement. if 682 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,919 the property owner wanted to allow a 683 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,240 food truck. However, he would be unable 684 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,000 to because of the 100 foot food 685 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,240 separation of uh between the food truck 686 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,320 and the existing restaurant on site. So, 687 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,000 staff had mentioned this previously, but 688 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,520 it wasn't brought before the board for 689 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,520 specific direction. Um, if the board 690 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840 would like, we can uh have you wave that 691 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,360 requirement at the property owner's 692 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,799 discretion. So, they could wave their 693 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,400 own separation requirement. And again, 694 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,400 it would only apply to the Shining Smile 695 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,960 Shopping Center. Um, so that's I 696 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,640 included that as at the list that I'll 697 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,880 show you of uh your request for your 698 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,279 feedback. Um, 699 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,720 also following the board's discussion on 700 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480 February 19th, two additional amendments 701 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,919 were identified for the board's 702 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:22,320 consideration and those were listed in 703 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,799 the agenda history sheet. Very simply, 704 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,840 the first is the definition of f of 705 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,919 mobile food unit will need to be amended 706 00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:32,400 if the board wants to allow stationary 707 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,080 licensed food trucks to be able to sell 708 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,640 ice cream and other frozen desserts. uh 709 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,480 because you cannot currently sell ice 710 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,480 cream and other frozen desserts from a 711 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,480 mobile food unit in the village and 712 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,159 that's a long-standing issue in the 713 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,640 code. So if the mobile food unit is 714 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,480 stationary and licensed and would like 715 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,919 to sell ice cream, we would just need to 716 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:54,549 amend the code to be able to do that. 717 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:58,230 » I'm sorry. 718 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,760 » I don't don't remember but I don't 719 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,039 remember the language being uh ice cream 720 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,559 truck. 721 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,400 Oh. Um I think the the definition is 722 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,760 mobile food unit. 723 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,159 >> Yes. 724 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:11,039 Yes, that's correct. Um I'm sorry 725 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,760 if I misspoke. Um second, um if if the 726 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,840 board supports allowing uh bicycles or 727 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320 other non-motorized food units to 728 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,440 operize to operate as licensed uh excuse 729 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520 me, as mobile food units, uh staff 730 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,520 recommends uh recommends amending the 731 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,520 code to specify that. Uh currently the 732 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,240 definition of mobile food unit says a a 733 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,120 vehicle or other cart can be used and 734 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,640 it's not quite clear if you have a 735 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,279 bicycle with uh storage and you wanted 736 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,000 to use that as a as a uh mobile food 737 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,520 unit that you'd be able to do that. So 738 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,279 we could clarify that by just amending 739 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:44,880 the definition of mobile food unit in 740 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,480 the code to specify that you could use a 741 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,360 bicycle with storage. 742 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,200 Um, so staff is requesting that the 743 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,799 board provide feedback and direction to 744 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,000 the staff on the remaining items that uh 745 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,440 were remaining from the board's 746 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,960 discussion and the the items that I 747 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,559 mentioned tonight and any other feedback 748 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,120 that you might have. Um, one of the 749 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,640 remaining items that the board discussed 750 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,720 but didn't settle on were the operating 751 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000 hours. Um, staff initially suggested 7 752 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. to roughly align with 753 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720 the hours when construction is allowed. 754 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:21,269 Um, but there wasn't consensus on that point. Um, 755 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,520 » should we take this one at a time or we 756 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,640 talk about 757 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,880 >> We could take them one at a time. So, 758 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,200 the first question is, uh, should the 759 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,200 operating hours be 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 760 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,640 p.m. 761 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,600 >> And this is for is this both for special 762 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,559 event food trucks or just for 763 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:39,919 >> this business license? 764 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:41,440 >> This is just for licensed food trucks. 765 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440 >> Licensed food trucks. 766 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,000 >> Is it possible for them to Could you get 767 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,240 in? could you apply for? Is there a 768 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,919 process for getting an exemption? Again, 769 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,880 I use my exemption, my example of a 770 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640 coffee truck, like a coffee breakfast 771 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640 thing might want to start earlier than 7 772 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,440 a.m. 773 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,080 >> Um, 774 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,240 >> is there a process for saying, can we 775 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,710 open at five? 776 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,760 » Okay. 777 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,320 I was just want I mean there's no 778 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,600 reason to legislate for something that 779 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,640 doesn't exist yet but if somebody wanted 780 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,120 to say open at five 781 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360 >> could it maybe be an appeal process 782 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,919 where there it would come before the 783 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:21,600 board 784 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,200 special they could unless you know we 785 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,399 could have a standard with I mean the concern here with with time is is 786 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:30,480 >> traffic and other we could say it's like 787 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080 well this is something our our business 788 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,840 model it's we're going to be located 789 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,440 here and we're serving this type of 790 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,279 product which will not obstruct and they 791 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:38,960 can establish that our our overall goals 792 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,159 are being achieved so we can we can wave 793 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:43,919 that requirement upon a certain showing. 794 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:45,120 I'll come up with the right words for it 795 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,799 but we'd have to change the process. 796 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,799 >> Perfect. Then then I would be okay with 797 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,960 the 7 to9. 798 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,240 >> Any other comments on the hours? If not 799 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,480 they take that as consensus based on the 800 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,720 amendments uh suggested by trustee 801 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,480 costs. So number two, 802 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,080 >> number two is should the owner of a 803 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,600 multi-unit commercial shopping center be 804 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,960 able to wave the 100 foot separation 805 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,279 requirement from a brick and mortar 806 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,799 restaurant on the same property in our 807 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,480 example of Shining Smiles? 808 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,279 >> I think yes. 809 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:14,720 >> Also yes. 810 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,000 >> So does that take the the power away 811 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,279 from the restaurant? 812 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:20,559 >> Yeah. 813 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:21,919 >> If the owner if the owner of the 814 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:23,520 property allowed it, then the restaurant 815 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,720 wouldn't be able to object. That's 816 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640 correct. 817 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,549 >> I say no. 818 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,360 I would say yes if the brickandmortar 819 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200 restaurant agrees for each case. 820 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,880 >> I'd piggy back off that and say there 821 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,520 should be an appeal for the restaurant 822 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,520 as well. 823 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,559 >> I I agree with Trusty Mateo in that if 824 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,080 they obtain the consent of the business 825 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640 owner then they should be allowed to 826 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,320 receive. 827 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480 >> I I have a question for attorney 828 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,510 pickroll. 829 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,000 I I I don't disagree with the sentiment 830 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,440 of asking the the tenant, but on the 831 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,240 other hand, from our perspective as a 832 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,960 regulatory agency, does that tenant have 833 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440 agency? 834 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,039 >> Yeah, that I I was thinking the same 835 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,480 thing as we were talking about it with 836 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,559 this uh the um 837 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,799 you know, the idea behind the distance 838 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,000 requirement is that you don't want to 839 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760 have unfair impacts and you were trying 840 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,840 to address that. Um, and so, uh, what I 841 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,440 would like to do, I was thinking about 842 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,120 how I write this up, to create a series 843 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,039 of objective standards in which that 844 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,240 could be waved. And this would be, uh, a 845 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240 factor. I I would not want to seed 846 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,399 regulatory authority to any individual 847 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:45,840 to say up or down on on this. But the 848 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,760 impact on neighboring communities uh 849 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,279 neighboring properties rather as 850 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,880 evidenced by they can speak out about it 851 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480 can be a factor that we consider but I 852 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,840 think would ultimately be up to the 853 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,159 village board to approve it not the 854 00:31:58,159 --> 00:31:59,360 neighbor. 855 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080 >> Yeah. I it concerns me that we insert 856 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,240 ourselves 857 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,799 into a private contract between a 858 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,559 property owner and a tenant. 859 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,559 >> Right. Yes. 860 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,840 >> None of our business. And to me legally 861 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720 the the entity withstanding is the 862 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,679 property owner 863 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:18,080 >> right 864 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,120 >> ultimately. So if you could look more 865 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,799 sure and I can review it. I mean 866 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,720 ultimately what I sort of view this is 867 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,519 if you tell me what what your goals are 868 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,360 and I will provide you with options 869 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,960 about how to achieve those goals. They 870 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,799 may not perfectly align with that but 871 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,960 they can you know if if it's the 872 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,600 specific idea of waiver based on uh 873 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,279 permission is is an interesting idea. 874 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,600 But if the goal is if we could that we 875 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840 want to establish that there isn't harm 876 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,679 and that this this distance requirement 877 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,440 can be modified in light of a 878 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,440 demonstration of a lack of harm, I think 879 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,279 that is rational. So I I'll come with 880 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,279 something that if once I have clear 881 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,640 direction, I can come with something for 882 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,399 you to consider. 883 00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:57,919 >> Well, I guess in that case, I would 884 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,080 change my answer to no. I would not be 885 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,480 in favor of it and only because um the 886 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,200 person leased that space, the restaurant 887 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080 owner leased the space 888 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,559 with the expectation of it being a 889 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,000 certain way. And you know, if it's if 890 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,039 there's only one restaurant space in the 891 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,760 plaza and they've leased it, then they 892 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,360 have an expectation that they're going 893 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,360 to be able to operate in a certain way 894 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,399 without 895 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:29,120 >> direct competition. I mean, I I like the 896 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,360 idea of them being able to be consulted 897 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,320 and us being able to, you know, weigh 898 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440 that, I suppose. But, um, if it has to 899 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,440 be one way or the other, I would be a 900 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,519 no. I think that you're assuming though 901 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,799 that it would be competitive versus 902 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,880 mutually beneficial. For example, if you 903 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120 put a dessert truck or a cupcake truck 904 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,880 there, that could potentially drive 905 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320 business to the restaurant. If you did a 906 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,399 breakfast truck there, that wouldn't 907 00:33:58,399 --> 00:33:59,919 take away from the current restaurant 908 00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:00,399 that's there. 909 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:06,000 >> Takes away parking. I mean, putting a big truck of, you know, or 910 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,240 maybe even a small truck takes parking 911 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:08,879 spaces. 912 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,560 >> I just don't think we can assume that it 913 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,760 would be that having another food place 914 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,839 there. I mean, if you look at the models 915 00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:17,359 that are around, I mean, usually you see 916 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,440 a Burger King and a Chick-fil-A and an 917 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Arby's all right next door to each 918 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,320 other. And the reason why is because 919 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,879 when people go to place, people like to 920 00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:27,599 go to one spot. So they actually all 921 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,639 draw each other together. Um I don't 922 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,280 think that having multiple food places 923 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,679 will take away from each other. I think 924 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,440 it'll be mutually beneficial. I don't 925 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000 think we can assume that it would be bad 926 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,639 for business to have a food truck there. 927 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,000 >> I don't think that's a fair assumption. 928 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,440 You're you're looking at a very 929 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,079 discreet, finite parking lot. And you're 930 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,399 talking about taking up space within 931 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:53,040 that lot that is supposed to be able to 932 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,839 be used by all of the customers in the, 933 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,560 you know, all of the patrons for the 934 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,920 plaza 935 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,920 >> and taking taking that away and making 936 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,640 it more. 937 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,720 >> I I want to answer that question, 938 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,359 Aberdine, and ask uh planner siren. 939 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:12,720 Uh this is for licensed food trucks. So 940 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,920 someone 941 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,720 uh is operating a food truck, do they 942 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,200 not have to show that they still have 943 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,119 sufficient parking? 944 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,599 >> They need to demonstrate off they can't 945 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,040 occupy required parking spaces. They 946 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,599 have to be extra spaces. 947 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,839 >> There are no extra spaces in the lot 948 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:32,960 though. 949 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,560 >> But there are I think there probably 950 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,520 are. 951 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,720 >> I would have to count the spaces in 952 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,040 that. 953 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,359 >> We have to count. But if if that's the 954 00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:41,359 case, if there are no extra spaces, then 955 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:42,960 they can't have a food truck. You mean 956 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,359 extra on top of what's required? 957 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:47,760 >> Right. Right. 958 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,839 >> I just seem to remember when that plaza 959 00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:51,440 was developed, there were all kinds of 960 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,200 discussions about how difficult it was 961 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,560 to navigate the traffic. 962 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,079 >> That's a different question though. The 963 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,119 question is, okay, 964 00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,520 >> do they as a practical matter, do they 965 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,599 have enough parking? I don't know. But 966 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,160 as a legal matter, uh, do they have 967 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,760 enough parking to meet our zoning 968 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,480 requirements? And if they don't have 969 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,079 enough parking to meet our zoning 970 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,839 requirements, they can't have a food 971 00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:14,400 truck. 972 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,520 So from our perspective, the parking 973 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,119 will meet the zoning requirements 974 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,800 if they they put a food truck there. 975 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,119 They have to. So, the other thing I 976 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,599 would I was asked too, another way to 977 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:31,440 look at this is um 978 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560 take the Shining uh Harlem and Long 979 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,680 Common Shopping Plaza. Uh what if 980 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,359 another brickandmortar restaurant wants 981 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:41,280 to go into that plaza? Are we going to 982 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,720 tell them they can't because there's 983 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,800 already a restaurant there? Is that our 984 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,400 business? You've kind of had that 985 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,320 discussion before as well when 986 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,280 >> is that up to us to say now some tenants 987 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,160 will have in their lease that you can't 988 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,599 have another restaurant and that's a 989 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,680 private agreement between the landlord 990 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,440 and the tenant and that's gets to my 991 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,480 point of 992 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,440 >> I'm hesitant to insert ourselves 993 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,079 into that contract between the property 994 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,400 owner and the tenant by giving the 995 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,280 tenant veto power 996 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440 when maybe they don't have that because 997 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,880 it's not in their lease and there could 998 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,480 be another brick and mortar restaurant 999 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,320 right next door to them and they don't 1000 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,160 have veto power over that, but they do 1001 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,839 have veto power over the food truck. 1002 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:25,920 >> So, that seems a little inconsistent to 1003 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,880 me to do it that way. So, 1004 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,760 >> um I think I'd like to ask attorney 1005 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,440 pickrol to look into that. 1006 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,000 >> Yeah. 1007 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,520 >> And come back to us. Uh I like I said, I totally understand the sentiment of 1008 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160 trying to protect the existing brick and 1009 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200 mortar restaurants. It's a lot lot has a 1010 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,280 lot to do with why we've discussed this 1011 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,839 so much is we're trying to do that. But 1012 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:53,040 um but I want to make sure we're on fat 1013 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,640 sound legal ground. 1014 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,920 >> Can I say one more thing though? 1015 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,560 >> Yes, please. 1016 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,320 >> Um we spent a lot of time a lot of time 1017 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,440 talking about the guidelines um for the 1018 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,280 space between restaurants and food 1019 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,760 trucks and what we wanted and it was 1020 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400 based on what we heard from restaurants 1021 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,119 and it's just based on fairness. So, I 1022 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,480 don't know why. And I also think it 1023 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,079 would be complicated to ask the 1024 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,200 restaurant owner yes or no. Um, so I 1025 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,119 just think we should stick with what 1026 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,160 we've already decided instead of I don't 1027 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,640 know why we're reopening this 1028 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,160 discussion. 1029 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,960 Well, what we've already decided is that 1030 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,560 uh 1031 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,680 the Shining Smiles 1032 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,839 Shopping Center could not have a food 1033 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:40,240 truck because it would be within the 1034 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,320 separation requirement from an existing 1035 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,000 restaurant, 1036 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,359 >> right? Oh, did we? 1037 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:48,400 >> But the question is, is that is is that 1038 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,119 what we really want? And are you saying 1039 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,200 it is what you want or not 1040 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,079 >> or you're not sure yet? 1041 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,920 >> It is what? Yeah, 1042 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,599 >> but again, I go back to what you just 1043 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,000 said. If Q nails, god forbid, ever 1044 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,960 decided to leave that that shopping 1045 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,200 center. Seriously, can't don't ever do 1046 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,839 that. 1047 00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:10,480 >> Um, but if they ever decided to leave 1048 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,480 and they decided to put I know they 1049 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,079 can't do this, but like McDonald's in 1050 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,200 there, 1051 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,359 >> they could the owner of Shining Smiles 1052 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:19,200 can put another restaurant right next 1053 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,680 door 1054 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160 >> if it isn't if he's allowed. We don't 1055 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:22,320 know. 1056 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,599 >> Right. But I'm just saying. So, what is 1057 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,200 the difference between that and a food 1058 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,880 truck? A food truck is not a restaurant. 1059 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960 >> Again, I will I mean, I will continue to 1060 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,119 defer, and I've said this before when we 1061 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,320 were talking about food trucks, too. I 1062 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000 will continue to defer to the fact that 1063 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,839 I think that our business owners and 1064 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:40,960 property owners need to be able to do 1065 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440 things and be creative in order to make 1066 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,040 their businesses and their properties 1067 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,720 successful. And if this is something 1068 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,640 that they wanted to do, I think they 1069 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,790 should be able to do it. 1070 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,760 » Same here. EDC has recommended as well 1071 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,200 as the chamber. So I've heard from the 1072 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,630 business community 1073 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,960 » they recommended under 100 feet between 1074 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,359 food. 1075 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:04,720 >> They recommend having competition 1076 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,119 because they're in the they're 1077 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,560 >> talking about competition. We're talking 1078 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,839 about space 1079 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:11,200 >> which you don't want the competition 1080 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,280 from one restaurant to another or what 1081 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,320 from one food supplier to another. 1082 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,640 >> It's not about competition at all. 1083 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,280 >> How's it not? 1084 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,560 >> Yeah. You just said that was your whole 1085 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,720 argument. It's not fair to that existing 1086 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,480 restaurant. 1087 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,119 Well, we agreed that we want 100 feet of 1088 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,280 space and now we're saying, well, we 1089 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,280 might not if in this case or 1090 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,800 >> well, we're on the same property. It's a 1091 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800 different matter altogether. I think the 1092 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,520 point is so that it's more about the um 1093 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,440 rewarding the investment in the 1094 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,040 community, the long-term investment, 1095 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440 whether it be by purchasing space or 1096 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 whether it be by, you know, leasing the 1097 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,720 space, you know, long term and making 1098 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,040 capital improvements to that real 1099 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,960 estate, excuse me, to that real estate. 1100 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,960 You don't get that with a food truck. 1101 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,720 >> Yes. So I think we need to uh you know 1102 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,599 good points on both sides all sides of 1103 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,160 this issue but the bottom line is what 1104 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,560 is the legal standing here and I would 1105 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,880 suggest we kind of punt on this question 1106 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,319 for now. Uh let the process go ahead 1107 00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:17,920 assuming we get through these other 1108 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920 items. Let the process move forward and 1109 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,400 in the meantime attorney pickro can look 1110 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,000 into that for us. Yeah. And just to 1111 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,520 clarify, what you're looking for me to 1112 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,599 look into is if we establish a 1113 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,000 separation requirement, you look for the 1114 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400 process by which we can wave or amend 1115 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,760 that separation requirement in 1116 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,599 particular circumstances and the extent 1117 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,839 to which we can consider uh the the the 1118 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:41,359 other person who you're being separated 1119 00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,599 from, their opinion on the matter in 1120 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,680 terms of that waiver. Is that correct? 1121 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,640 >> I think so. Okay. 1122 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,800 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1123 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,240 >> Does that work for everyone? 1124 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:50,640 >> Yeah. 1125 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,040 >> Yes. 1126 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,119 >> Okay. Next question. 1127 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,040 Number three, should the code be amended 1128 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,640 to specify that stationary bicycles or 1129 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,480 similar conveyances can be allowed to 1130 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640 operate as a mobile food unit? And 1131 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,359 again, this would be a stationary 1132 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,119 in a spot unit. 1133 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,079 >> To be clear, this isn't riding up and 1134 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,200 down the street. It's 1135 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:09,520 >> Yes, 1136 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,359 >> they're station 1137 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:12,720 without a motor. 1138 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:13,200 >> Yes. 1139 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,960 >> Is is staff able to do all of the 1140 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,800 inspections for health and sanitary 1141 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,839 stuff that 1142 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,200 >> Yes. 1143 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,200 >> Well, then I'm I'm fine. OP it too. 1144 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,400 >> Everybody okay with that? 1145 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,079 >> It's greener than a food truck. 1146 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:27,520 >> Yeah. 1147 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,280 >> And then the last question is should we 1148 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,359 amend the code to allow the sale of ice 1149 00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:32,800 cream and other frozen desserts again 1150 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,040 from a uh stationary mobile food unit? 1151 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,720 So we wouldn't have a food truck in 1152 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,319 town, but they would 1153 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:41,200 >> be a licensed business. And so 1154 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,760 >> how is I mean how is that different than 1155 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,200 us not being able to say we can't 1156 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,720 dictate what kind of food you bring in 1157 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,839 on a food truck? 1158 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:48,480 >> Right. 1159 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,680 >> I don't think there is a difference. 1160 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,520 that co-currently prohibits the sale of 1161 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,920 frozen desserts from a mobile food unit. 1162 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,560 >> Oh, 1163 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,359 >> right. Oh, great. Okay. Now, I see. If 1164 00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,880 so, what we're trying to do is allow 1165 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,319 folks to do that if they want if you if 1166 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,079 you would like to need to amend the 1167 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:02,400 code. 1168 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:02,720 >> Yeah. 1169 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,319 >> Which I remember was more of a safety 1170 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:05,520 issue. They don't want kids running into 1171 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,680 it. That doesn't exist with a stationary 1172 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,520 truck. So, I'm okay with 1173 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:09,760 >> Yeah. 1174 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,480 >> clarifying that as well. 1175 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,480 >> I think it probably goes back to the old 1176 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,000 days of the Yeah. 1177 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,640 >> roving ice cream vendor. 1178 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,440 >> To be clear on that one, it could be a 1179 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,160 pizza truck that also sells ice cream. 1180 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,119 >> It could be a 1181 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,280 >> stationary mobile food unit that only 1182 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,599 sells frozen things. It's not placing 1183 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,680 further limits. It's allowing sale 1184 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,599 regardless of what else you're selling 1185 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,119 >> of ice cream. Yes. 1186 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:35,599 >> Thank you. 1187 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,280 >> Yes. 1188 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,359 >> Thank you for your direction. Um if the 1189 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:40,800 um if you would like us to move forward 1190 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,040 with um the proposed amendments, we 1191 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800 would uh draft amendments to the zoning 1192 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,880 code and then to the village code. Uh so 1193 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,240 the zoning code, we would need to amend 1194 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,800 the code to allow um mobile food units 1195 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,200 in the B1 district as a permitted use 1196 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,440 pending all of the the requirements and 1197 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,880 then to allow them in the central 1198 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,960 business district as a special use uh 1199 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,079 with those requirements and then we 1200 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,520 would amend the village code to include 1201 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,720 all the other standards that we 1202 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,160 discussed in the business license 1203 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,640 section of the code. Great. That would 1204 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,440 be the uh the next steps. But uh our 1205 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,040 planning commission will have a public 1206 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,640 hearing on the special use permitted use 1207 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,319 ideas. They could come back and 1208 00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,240 recommend something different if they 1209 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,240 wanted, but that's how we're proceeding 1210 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:27,280 with legal notices and everything else. 1211 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,040 >> Everybody on board with that? 1212 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,079 >> Yes. 1213 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:30,800 >> Excellent. 1214 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,599 >> Okay. 1215 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,079 >> Thank you. 1216 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,680 That might have been our shortest food 1217 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,640 track discussion, 1218 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,680 >> but not our last. 1219 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,119 >> We're getting there. We're definitely 1220 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,920 getting there. 1221 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,200 >> All right. Next, we have discussion 1222 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,359 regarding standards for outdoor dining 1223 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:51,119 areas. Director Siren. 1224 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,640 >> Yes. When the board discussed this on 1225 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,400 March 5th, the board expressed support 1226 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,839 for most of the proposed standards, but 1227 00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:57,359 there were a few remaining items for 1228 00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,839 discussion. namely a height limit for 1229 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,319 barriers, uh a transparency requirement 1230 00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,560 for barriers, and whether uh 1231 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,560 non-conforming outdoor dining features 1232 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,400 should be allowed to remain or whether 1233 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,680 they should be brought into compliance 1234 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,800 within a certain time period. The EDC 1235 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,920 and planning and zoning commission 1236 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,280 reviewed the proposed standards and 1237 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,640 provided feedback, which was summarized 1238 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,560 in the agenda history sheet. Staff 1239 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,760 reached out to the Chamber of Commerce 1240 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,040 to request feedback on the proposed 1241 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,400 standards and to the owners of 1242 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319 restaurants that have outdoor dining 1243 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,000 areas or that could have outdoor dining 1244 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,319 areas for their feedback as well. We uh 1245 00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:29,839 one owner responded noting that the 1246 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:30,960 standards are reasonable and that a 1247 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960 two-year compliance period uh for 1248 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,880 barriers is sufficient. They also 1249 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,800 suggested distinguishing standards uh 1250 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,880 for patios and sidewalks. Uh sidewalk 1251 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,400 dining areas must account pedestrian 1252 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,400 traffic, vehic ve vehicle safety and 1253 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,640 door egress and are typically temporary 1254 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,240 in nature with limited number of tables 1255 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,640 relative to the storefront whereas patio 1256 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,160 dining areas are more permanent and 1257 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,440 closed spaces with barriers, 1258 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,079 electricity, music and decor. 1259 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:55,599 So staff requests the direction on the 1260 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,520 proposed standards which were organized 1261 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,520 in the agenda history sheet based on the 1262 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,839 board's uh level of support. So the 1263 00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:03,119 first set of proposed standards were 1264 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,720 generally that ones that the board had 1265 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,359 supported um during the last discussion 1266 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:09,119 and then the second set of standards 1267 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:10,960 were ones that received mixed feedback 1268 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,680 and we need further direction on. 1269 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,280 Do you mind going to the slide? Okay. 1270 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,359 The first is a maximum height for 1271 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,599 barriers. So the question is should 1272 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,520 there be a maximum height requirement 1273 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640 and if so what might that be and when we 1274 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,839 first brought this to you the uh range 1275 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:29,920 recommended in other communities is 36 1276 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,880 to 42 in and staff recommended a 42 inch 1277 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,000 height as a starting point for 1278 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280 discussion and um we got some feedback 1279 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,839 uh the PCC and EDC seemed content with 1280 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:42,319 having a height requirement and the PCC 1281 00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:44,960 recommended that 42 or or 46 inch 1282 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,599 barrier may be acceptable um since the 1283 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,440 barrier will be transparent. So, since 1284 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,720 the bear is transparent, you've already 1285 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,400 got some visibility through it. So, the 1286 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,040 height is not as important. Um, and just 1287 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,200 as a reminder, um, the village attorney 1288 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,640 recommended including a provision to 1289 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,400 allow the board to approve barriers that 1290 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,240 exceed the maximum height in locations 1291 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,079 that may require additional privacy, 1292 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,680 such as hight traffic areas or areas 1293 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,480 adjacent to railroad tracks. Um, once we 1294 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,000 had some feedback from the board, I also 1295 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,760 went out and measured uh the barriers 1296 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,359 that were available. Um, La Asansia's 1297 00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:18,400 barrier is 49 in tall. Breakfast hosiend 1298 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,599 is 44 inches tall. Cubanito Express has 1299 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,240 a uh a barrier that has 42 inch height 1300 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,480 along the length of it, the majority. 1301 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,319 And then on the ends, they've added some 1302 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,720 um pieces of wood to provide I think a 1303 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,720 visual barrier from Harlem and the and 1304 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,800 the alley that are on either side that 1305 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,400 uh increase that 42 inches to 58 in. 1306 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,960 Uh so so those uh are considerations in 1307 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,960 determining um the maximum barrier 1308 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,880 height. Um also we asked about planters 1309 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,480 used as barriers having a maximum height 1310 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,920 but we might want to start with the the 1311 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,599 barrier height. 1312 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,270 >> Yeah 1313 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,560 being over 42 46 that that makes a lot 1314 00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,920 of sense to me. I mean, I 1315 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,119 >> Yeah, I like the um the provision to 1316 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:04,800 allow the board to approve a taller 1317 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,920 barrier when it's not adjacent to the 1318 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,520 street or public street or whatever 1319 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,599 because that could Yeah, I like that 1320 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:12,720 too. 1321 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,200 >> Um 1322 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,960 the I I'll just, you know, comment or or 1323 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,920 throw out some information. So 1324 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,800 the reason that uh from urban design, 1325 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,400 retail, uh downtown planning, 1326 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,400 um the height limit is usually based on 1327 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,680 you're sitting in a chair. You want that 1328 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,440 you want to be able to see and not have 1329 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,720 something blocking you at eye level. Um 1330 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,359 42 48 inches would do that I think. Um 1331 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:52,319 but and I don't know if 42 I I don't 1332 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,359 have a tape measure but that that's kind 1333 00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,599 of where that the the basis of that of 1334 00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:58,800 those numbers. They're not just 1335 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,400 arbitrary numbers. Uh they come from 1336 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,880 much research and experience in downtown 1337 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,520 uh retail planning, restaurant planning. 1338 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,960 >> So 48's what you've seen then? 1339 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,720 Well, the the the enclosure at Lost 1340 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,200 Stansi is 49 in. So, even if it was an 1341 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,720 inch shorter, even even if it were 1342 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,079 transparent or or, you know, half 50% 1343 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,880 whatever that number is, you could still 1344 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,720 have, 1345 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,680 you know, some blockage of sight lines 1346 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,240 and visibility. And the whole idea is to 1347 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,760 have open and you know barrier supposed 1348 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,640 to be more like a railing not not a 1349 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,160 screen. 1350 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,960 Uh that's the philosophy behind it. 1351 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,960 >> But would there be would So when we're 1352 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,520 saying that you could 1353 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,119 I'm sorry I forgot what the wording was 1354 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:56,480 like but like basically you would get an 1355 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,400 exemption if you had a specific 1356 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,000 situation railroad track something like 1357 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,400 that. 1358 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,640 >> Yep. Um, 1359 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:10,309 would you also be able to 1360 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,160 like for example I'm thinking like 1361 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,800 planters don't you can't see through a 1362 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,520 planter, right? So depending on how tall 1363 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,960 the planter is, you wouldn't have the 1364 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,280 transparency, 1365 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,200 >> right? So if there's a transparency 1366 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,520 issue and people are using plant I don't 1367 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,119 know 1368 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,119 I think I've talked myself 1369 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:32,720 >> is the concern that they people might 1370 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,480 try to exceed the transparency and 1371 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,079 height requirement by just making a wall 1372 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,119 of planters 1373 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:38,400 >> right like if you made 1374 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,599 >> right we can 1375 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,760 >> well so for example like let's say you 1376 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,440 I've seen places downtown do this where 1377 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,680 they do like a potted arborites 1378 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,319 >> which end up being like five or five or 1379 00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:51,680 six feet tall. I'm throwing a number out 1380 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,880 there. They're like five or six feet 1381 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,200 tall. 1382 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,760 That probably doesn't meet a 1383 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,440 transparency requirement. 1384 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,599 >> How's that how does that play into this, 1385 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:04,800 I guess, is my question. 1386 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,800 >> Yeah, I mean, and we can this would come 1387 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,200 into the description of the of the wall 1388 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,599 it of the of itself. I mean, and we can 1389 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,680 I can make sure we got a definition 1390 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,240 sections to say that it, you know, it 1391 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,240 cannot be more than X percentage. let's 1392 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,160 say 10% 1393 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,520 uh planters or something like that 1394 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,720 because some people I see they do put a 1395 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,160 walls and they put a nice little planter 1396 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,920 in there too and then they continue the 1397 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,960 wall along and if 1398 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440 >> if you want it to be 100% 1399 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,440 um wall we can do that. If you wanted to 1400 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,920 allow uh planters to be interspersed 1401 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,280 throughout we can we can create a 1402 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,480 percentage. 1403 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,520 >> Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how 1404 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,280 to not make it completely tedious where 1405 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,720 we're, you know, trying to figure out a 1406 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,119 transparency issue. And sorry, your 1407 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,040 arborite is too lush this year. So 1408 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,040 you're No, I mean, but seriously, like 1409 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,960 I'm trying to make it so that it's not 1410 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,319 you're not out there with like a light 1411 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,200 meter and trying to figure out trans I 1412 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,040 right like I don't want this to be just 1413 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920 a crazy ownorous situation to 1414 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,760 >> what I've saw in other communities is 1415 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,520 that they just have a a maximum barrier 1416 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,760 for planters. They just say it's 24 in 1417 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,440 and then they assume that within that 1418 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,680 area, let's say their maximum barrier 1419 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,760 height is 36 or 42 inches. They assume 1420 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440 that the plants they they put in there 1421 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,520 are going to be within that limit. 1422 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,440 >> Okay? So the plant is within that as 1423 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,559 opposed to the plant turf. 1424 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,480 >> They assume the planter they put a limit 1425 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,839 on the planter. They do not put a limit 1426 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:21,520 on plants or specify a transparency of 1427 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,119 plants. They just say this is the height 1428 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,280 of the planter and they accept that as a 1429 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,319 >> that makes a lot more sense 1430 00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:28,240 >> as a reasonable 1431 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,160 >> uh yeah reason. 1432 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,000 >> Long and short plant doesn't count. I'm 1433 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,319 sorry. 1434 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:34,000 >> The plant doesn't count as part of the 1435 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,520 >> I have not seen the plants regulated. 1436 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,520 That would be 1437 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,400 >> super fun for you. 1438 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,190 >> You're really hoping we'll do that. 1439 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,920 » Okay. 1440 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,880 >> And the other So staff is suggesting 1441 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,240 maximum height of 42 in. Um 1442 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,640 >> I thought it was 48. 1443 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,400 >> That was plan commission. 1444 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,480 >> Oh, planning commission. I started with 1445 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,760 a starting point of what other 1446 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,280 communities suggested. 1447 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,240 >> Um I think so we had just as a a range 1448 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,480 other communities do 36 to 42 inches as 1449 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,040 a thought. Um planning and zoning 1450 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,359 commission and EDC said 42 to 46 in 1451 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:14,640 should be sufficient given the 1452 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,119 transparency. And just as a reminder if 1453 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,000 we choose one of those some of our 1454 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,520 existing barriers would be according to 1455 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,520 not in accordance with that and may need 1456 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,520 to come to you for an exception if you 1457 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,200 would want to grant that exception. 1458 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,880 Okay. I have a question. So, we're I 1459 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,760 think focusing more on the maximum. Was 1460 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,800 there a minimum? That 1461 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,880 >> There was no minimum. The There's no 1462 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,079 minimum, just a maximum. 1463 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,000 >> Okay. 1464 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,720 >> Would you recommend doing a maximum 1465 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,200 height for barriers and a maximum height 1466 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,480 for planters? 1467 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,520 >> That's what I've seen in other 1468 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,520 communities. It makes some sense. Um 1469 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,880 because the assumption is if you have a 1470 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,119 24-in planter that the plants within 1471 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:56,079 that are going to be somewhat 1472 00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,000 transparent above that and achieve some 1473 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,030 sort of visual transparency. 1474 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,000 » So go ahead. 1475 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,520 >> So we're talking about a maximum height 1476 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,640 for basically fences 1477 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,119 >> and then a different possibly if we 1478 00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,119 wanted to different maximum height for 1479 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,119 planters. 1480 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,720 >> That's what I'm asking is like to those 1481 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:17,200 two. 1482 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,880 >> Okay. So should we talk about 1483 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,920 non-planters first? 1484 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,160 just to keep it I'm sorry I'm get I'm 1485 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,680 getting confused that's why I'm trying 1486 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,079 to separate it out 1487 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,160 >> so for for barriers we had a range 1488 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,640 >> okay 1489 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,160 >> other communities go from 3 ft to 42 in 1490 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:34,559 >> okay 1491 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,319 >> um some of our businesses currently 1492 00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:38,319 would exceed that if we selected that 1493 00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:40,480 the highest that we have is on the ends 1494 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,640 of community express just on the ends 1495 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,319 they go up to 58 in 1496 00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:44,800 >> okay 1497 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,599 >> in the center it's 42 um and then we've 1498 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,280 got two other barriers that I measured 1499 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,680 breakfast is 44 in and last is 49 in. 1500 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:54,000 >> Okay. 1501 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,200 >> So, we always have the option of 1502 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,280 selecting what the board thinks is a 1503 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,559 reasonable barrier and allowing 1504 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,720 restaurants to ask for an exemption 1505 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,280 based on traffic visibility, things like 1506 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,119 that. 1507 00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,040 >> I I mean just based on that, I would say 1508 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,839 46 in was what the 1509 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,200 >> um 1510 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,319 >> PCC 1511 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,440 >> Yeah. said 42 to 46. So, 46 being the 1512 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,960 maximum sounds reasonable. 1513 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,520 >> Okay. I think we need to go back to why 1514 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,839 we're having these discussions. We 1515 00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,599 currently don't have outdoor dining 1516 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,920 standards. We want to have some minimum 1517 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,240 standards. As President Pollock 1518 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,319 discussed, his life's profession. 1519 00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,559 There's a reason we have outdoor dining 1520 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,160 and standards to go. We want to make it 1521 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,920 inviting. We want people to go and say, 1522 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,760 "Wow, that looks really great." with 1523 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,079 their So I I I think this is we need to 1524 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,079 think hard about this this not just go 1525 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,559 with the maximum but what really is 1526 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,480 shoulder level for somebody in most 1527 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,240 seats sitting outdoors. I don't know 1528 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,920 what that number is. I also did not 1529 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,119 bring a tape measure but kind of wish I 1530 00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,160 had one right now. 1531 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,760 >> How did you come up with the maximum 1532 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,760 height of 42 in? 1533 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,359 >> That that was surveyed from other 1534 00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:04,960 communities. The other communities range 1535 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,960 from 36 to 42 inches is generally what 1536 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,280 they felt was a a good range. 1537 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,520 Then you said 48. So that's 1538 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,920 >> I said 48's too way too tall. 1539 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,680 >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said 48. 1540 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,760 >> No, I think 48 would clearly block your 1541 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,559 site. You know, would even though it's 1542 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,559 maybe transparent, you can have cross 1543 00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,640 beams and stuff and um I personally 1544 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,880 would keep it at 36 in. 1545 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,880 >> What's the cubinos? 1546 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,960 >> Kumudo is 42 in in the middle. 1547 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,160 G 42 in is probably the right one. And 1548 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,240 >> and I think there could be a carve out 1549 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,720 though, not only for plants, but for 1550 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:48,880 like corner pieces like you described 1551 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,760 that they have 1552 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,799 >> privacy 1553 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,559 >> design elements or something. Yeah. 1554 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:53,280 >> Yeah. 1555 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,480 >> So, as long as the m, you know, the vast 1556 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,720 majority is at that 42 in, I think 1557 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,240 >> 36 seems low to me. 1558 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:08,960 >> It may be. Yeah. I I'm good with 42 if the board is um if and given that the 1559 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,240 one is already at 42 and from limited 1560 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,280 times I've seen that it seems to be a 1561 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,640 >> well designed 1562 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,240 >> I've said a community toast and I think 1563 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,599 that 42 is 1564 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:21,599 >> it's just felt right so I only have that 1565 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:22,640 reference really 1566 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:28,400 >> that then yeah that makes good good yeah 1567 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,599 >> 42 yeah 1568 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,520 >> 42 42 1569 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,960 >> all right Okay. 1570 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,880 And then for planters, if you'd like to 1571 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,640 have a separate standard for planters, 1572 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,079 again, what I've seen in most 1573 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,400 communities is 2 feet. Um, and that 1574 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,839 allows room for plants and the 1575 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:44,720 assumptions there going to be some 1576 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,319 visibility in the plants. And 1577 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,599 >> how tall are the planters that are on 1578 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,480 Harlem Avenue right now? 1579 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,359 >> I don't know that I 1580 00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:53,040 >> And I I'm sorry. I don't know. I I order 1581 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,680 them, but that was like 20 years ago. 1582 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:56,480 >> What was the question? 1583 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:56,960 >> So, it seems 1584 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,319 >> how tall are the planters on Harlem? 1585 00:57:58,319 --> 00:57:59,920 Because those are those are huge 1586 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,960 >> on Harlem. 1587 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,920 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1588 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,280 >> Or like I'm thinking of the ones in 1589 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,440 downtown, you know, in the central 1590 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,280 business district. 1591 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,960 I think those are closer to 3 feet. It 1592 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,240 may be. I don't I don't know the answer 1593 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:12,799 to that. 1594 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:16,400 >> Probably 30 in. 1595 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,839 I think the assumption other communities 1596 00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,520 used is if you had, let's say, their 1597 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,640 barrier height was, you know, 36 or 42 1598 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,040 inches, allowing a 36 inch planner, that 1599 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,599 would presumably be solid was defeating 1600 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,440 the purpose of having a visibility a 1601 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,599 minimum transparency requirement. Okay? 1602 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,280 So, the planner would be solid. So if 1603 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,880 you assume that, you know, the this 1604 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,040 amount isn't really of interest visually 1605 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,440 to most folks anyway, you know, along 1606 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,880 that area and then you have some plant 1607 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,680 material with some space in between that would meet that transparency uh 1608 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,319 goal. 1609 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,319 >> So you said it was 24 or 36. 1610 00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,960 >> Most communities do 24 that I surveyed. 1611 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640 >> Okay. 1612 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,559 >> And I like the idea of having a maximum 1613 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,319 amount of wall structure that is devoted 1614 00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:00,000 to planters 1615 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,520 that can't have a whole wall with 1616 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,599 planters. I like that addition. 1617 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,280 >> Really? 1618 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,680 >> I don't think we want more green plants 1619 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,079 and 1620 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,160 >> Well, but it gets back to 1621 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:10,799 >> transparent, 1622 00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:16,720 >> you know, you know, 10 24 in 1623 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,680 pots with 5 foot tall arbor vidies in 1624 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,000 it. 1625 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,960 >> Well, no, I was just thinking 1626 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,160 >> defeated the whole purpose of it. 1627 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,440 >> I guess I was thinking about like fences 1628 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,880 that have the that have like 1629 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,160 window boxes. Is that what they're 1630 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,720 called? You can plant on the top. Yes. 1631 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,440 >> Yeah. 1632 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,960 >> Like if you had a whole row of those 1633 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,280 that I don't know. All right. 1634 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,640 >> I would think those are aesthetically 1635 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,680 pleasing as well. I never thought about 1636 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,359 that. 1637 00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:45,839 >> So, looks like staff suggested a maximum 1638 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,440 height of 24 in 1639 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,559 >> for planters. Yes. 1640 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,359 >> Yeah, that works for me. 1641 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:52,960 >> I'm fine with that, too, as long as 1642 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,359 there's also some just like I we talked 1643 00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:59,280 about with the one outdoor seating area. 1644 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,280 What? I forgot what which one was that? 1645 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,160 They had the 42 in which restaurant 1646 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,240 >> Express and the sides were taller. 1647 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,280 >> Yeah. We need to just craft some 1648 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,760 language that allows some exception to 1649 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,240 that 42 inch rule, whether it's a 1650 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,599 planter or whether it's a uh 1651 01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:18,319 >> 20 1652 01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:21,200 >> a corner pillar or monument of some 1653 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,599 sort. Um, and I'd like to just see staff 1654 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,599 and the planning commission figure that 1655 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,400 out for us because I think the we all 1656 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,880 agree that we we want it open for the 1657 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,280 most part, but we also like the idea of 1658 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,640 allowing some plants to to be there. And 1659 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,200 I think that can be, 1660 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,799 you know, I want to see the language and 1661 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:47,200 I think we can then agree on something. 1662 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,640 The planning and zoning commission were 1663 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,040 in favor of allowing the village board 1664 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,280 to wave the standards that they approve 1665 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,880 in in certain situations. So hight 1666 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,240 traffic areas, areas we need more 1667 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,760 privacy, 1668 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,160 >> they were in favor of a a general 1669 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,040 statement for that. 1670 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,000 >> That work 1671 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:04,960 >> works for me. Yes. 1672 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,520 >> Does pre-existing count as a reason 1673 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,359 itself? 1674 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:12,079 >> We'll get to that in a minute, right? 1675 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,280 When talk about uh non-conforming. 1676 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,799 >> Yes. Yes. So, um I think the Oh, yes. 1677 01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,599 Visual transparency. Thank you. So, the 1678 01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,359 board had discussed this before and 1679 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,280 there wasn't a consensus on the board of 1680 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,760 what the minimum transparency uh should 1681 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,599 be. It ranges from different 1682 01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,359 communities. I gave you an example of a 1683 01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:35,119 70% which is a pretty open to 30% which 1684 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,920 would would be the barrier at Labara is 1685 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,079 about 30% transparent. So to give you an 1686 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:41,200 idea of what that transparency 1687 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,799 requirement would would look like 1688 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,200 obviously Lost Stansia where and you 1689 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,319 know the boards are right next to each 1690 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:49,119 other would have no transparency. Um so 1691 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,720 the question is uh should there be a 1692 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,119 minimum transparency? Um the planning 1693 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,440 and zoning commission and EDC agreed 1694 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,920 that 30% would be an acceptable minimum 1695 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,400 transparency level. Um and so and then 1696 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,559 uh the other question is obviously um 1697 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,319 should the board be able to wave that in certain cases if they want more 1698 01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,920 privacy. 1699 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,520 >> I think we should have that say yes 1700 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,480 >> I think 30 1701 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,559 >> I think 30% is good. 1702 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,480 >> Okay. So 30% and the board is able to 1703 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,680 wave that requirement. Okay. 1704 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,720 >> Yes. 1705 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,280 >> Great. 1706 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,480 in the language there is that also staff 1707 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,559 can estimate what that transparency is 1708 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,000 without spending hours and hours and 1709 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,400 hours on it and I will work with Bob to 1710 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,960 craft that language 1711 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,960 substantially approximately will make 1712 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,760 avid use of work 1713 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,839 >> yeah this should not be a time consuming 1714 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:43,119 thing 1715 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,760 >> the the last item was non-conforming 1716 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,040 outdoor dining features that are 1717 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,559 existing so I think we I think generally 1718 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,000 heard board support but I just want to 1719 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,119 confirm that uh non-conforming features 1720 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,520 that and there are a couple of uh 1721 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,960 outdoor dining areas that have a couple 1722 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,720 of non-conforming features that would be 1723 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,839 less uh ownorous for the operator to 1724 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,520 correct. So, we've got umbrellas, 1725 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,359 lighting, decorations, and bus carts and 1726 01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,119 service equipment. Um, one of the 1727 01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,720 non-conforming features would be making 1728 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,920 sure that all the lighting is on the 1729 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,520 inside of the outdoor dining area. And 1730 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:14,640 we've got an outdoor dining area with 1731 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,760 some lights on the outside. So, that 1732 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,280 would be just flipping the lights to the 1733 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,079 inside. Okay. 1734 01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,480 >> Um, so I think I heard generally that 1735 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,599 the board was in favor of that. Just 1736 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:22,799 want to clarify that the board is in 1737 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:25,680 favor of saying that there is um that 1738 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,200 you would like those things to come into 1739 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,799 compliance when the when the ordinance 1740 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,559 passes without necessarily going through 1741 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,000 a specific time period. But if you would 1742 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,520 like a specific time period to come into 1743 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,640 compliance, we can do that, too. So, 1744 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,799 this would be specifically asking about 1745 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,079 umbrellas, lighting, decorations, and 1746 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,079 bus carts. If they're non-conforming 1747 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,000 when to the current standards when we 1748 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,760 pass that, do we want them to become 1749 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,079 conforming or should there be a a time 1750 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,520 period or should they just be allowed? 1751 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,839 And again, if they wanted an exception, 1752 01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:51,280 could they come to the board with that? 1753 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,390 >> If we write that, we can. Yes. 1754 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,680 » I mean, I Yeah, I think if if they're 1755 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,440 allowed to kind of petition and say 1756 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,880 this, this is our reasoning for 1757 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,640 being non-conforming 1758 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,520 then. Yeah. 1759 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,839 >> And typically there's we communities 1760 01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:11,280 will offer when somebody has something 1761 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,119 that's existing and it's non-conforming, 1762 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,960 they'll give a wind down. say you have, 1763 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,799 you know, a season or however long you 1764 01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:18,079 want to do it and then after that you 1765 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,400 can come back and petition. 1766 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:20,799 >> Okay. 1767 01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:25,990 >> But you don't have to. 1768 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,760 » I want to come back to the time period 1769 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,920 after you address the barriers. 1770 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,480 >> Sure. 1771 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,520 >> Because I think 1772 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,240 >> okay 1773 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,640 >> similar considerations 1774 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,400 >> and this is the same question. barriers 1775 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,319 being I think the highest value thing 1776 01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:40,160 that f aside from the furniture that 1777 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,599 folks invest in for these outdoor dining 1778 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,839 areas if they are non-conforming to do 1779 01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:46,400 height or transparency. Uh would the 1780 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,480 board like them to remain as they are 1781 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,920 until they reach the end of their useful 1782 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,760 life and are replaced? So basically the operator gets to decide when they're 1783 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,000 going to uh change out the barrier or 1784 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,160 remove it. Um or should they be required 1785 01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,839 to become compliant within a specific 1786 01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:02,640 time period, maybe petition the board to 1787 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,079 allow them to remain if they're existing 1788 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,240 and non-conforming? Um, so those are 1789 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,960 some options for you. 1790 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,720 >> We addressed that at the last meeting 1791 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,880 and we did not have unanimous consensus, 1792 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,839 but the majority of the board was at 1793 01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:18,240 that time was in favor of phasing it out 1794 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,839 or having a a time period by which they 1795 01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,960 have to be brought into conformance. Um, 1796 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,280 and the reason I wanted to take both 1797 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,559 items together was I heard a suggestion 1798 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,880 from a trustee this week that uh maybe 1799 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,039 we uh budget for 2027 1800 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,880 to reestablish our facade grant program 1801 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,160 or downtown building grant program. Mhm. 1802 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,839 >> And that we include uh uh grant 1803 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,400 opportunities for people to bring these 1804 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,640 things into compliance. 1805 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,480 >> Uh we pay for a good chunk of it. Uh 1806 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,079 either all of it or some of it. We can 1807 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,559 that'll can be hashed out. But of course 1808 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:03,760 we want to hear from economic 1809 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,160 development commission on that. 1810 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,119 >> And to me that informs what the time 1811 01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:10,160 period should be. 1812 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,240 >> Exactly. If we're saying if we're gonna 1813 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,200 have money in 2027 to budget for to to pay for 1814 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,119 a good part of that cost, then I my 1815 01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,839 feeling is by the end of 2027, let's 1816 01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:25,039 bring this into conformance. 1817 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,160 >> I think that sounds fair. 1818 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,000 >> You know, we're paying for it. 1819 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,720 >> Or, you know, it could be longer. I, you 1820 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,680 know, 1821 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,599 >> so they would have two seasons. 1822 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,160 >> They rest this year and and all next 1823 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,160 year. Yeah. And next year they could 1824 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,119 apply for a grant from the village 1825 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:44,400 >> or an exemption as well. 1826 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,720 >> Or an exemption. Yeah. Or both. 1827 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,559 >> After two seasons, I'd be fine with that 1828 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,359 as well. 1829 01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:52,319 >> Does that 1830 01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,720 >> work? So we would uh that's direction 1831 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,960 also to uh have the EDC start looking at 1832 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,079 a downtown grant program for next year. 1833 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,240 >> And can I ask another question? Um, 1834 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,599 we're talking about the useful life of 1835 01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:09,599 barriers. I'm assuming there's going to 1836 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,640 be something in this about 1837 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,799 um 1838 01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:16,960 if something's, you know, like starts to 1839 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,200 look bad, if it starts to all of that 1840 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,880 good stuff where maintenance and if it's 1841 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,319 not being properly maintained and things 1842 01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:23,200 like that. Okay, great. 1843 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,039 >> Our code currently addresses that. 1844 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,680 >> It does. We'll continue that in the 1845 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,880 code. But um 1846 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,799 >> our next steps for this would be we 1847 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,520 would need to amend a section of the uh 1848 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,440 the village code, not the zoning code be 1849 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,000 section 7414. So we could draft an 1850 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,839 ordinance uh with your direction and 1851 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:41,280 return to you at a future meeting with 1852 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,119 the the amendments to the municipal 1853 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:43,680 code. 1854 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,319 >> Great. 1855 01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:45,280 >> Yes. 1856 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,799 >> Okay. 1857 01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:49,990 >> Great. 1858 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,920 » Is that everything on that? 1859 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:52,400 >> That is. 1860 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,240 >> You're not done yet. 1861 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,359 This is a planner siren evening. 1862 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:03,039 So, next on the agenda is a discussion 1863 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,200 regarding DAX relative to building 1864 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,720 coverage. 1865 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:07,680 Director Siren, 1866 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,520 >> thank you. Genuinely excited to present 1867 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,559 this to you. This 1868 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,240 the planning and zoning commission 1869 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,319 recommends amending the zoning code to 1870 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:17,839 exclude decks and their associated 1871 01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:19,359 stairs from the calculation of building 1872 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:20,960 coverage. The commission further 1873 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,640 recommends amending the definition of 1874 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,960 building coverage to specify that stairs 1875 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,960 not associated with decks should be 1876 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,159 included in building in building 1877 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,560 coverage. 1878 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,319 Okay, I've been wrapped up in this and 1879 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:33,839 I'll repeat that again. Sole, I'm sorry. 1880 01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,480 This is um so decks currently are if 1881 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,920 they're over 12 inches in height like 1882 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,440 all other structures count towards 1883 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:40,560 building coverage. 1884 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:40,960 >> Okay, 1885 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,679 >> if they're under 12 in they don't. Most 1886 01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:45,279 decks are over 12 inches. So most count 1887 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,199 towards building coverage. The 1888 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:48,480 definition of building coverage says 1889 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,080 every structure that's over 12 inches in 1890 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,839 height counts towards building coverage. 1891 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:53,279 And it lists examples, but it does not 1892 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,279 list stairs. So when the planning and 1893 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:56,400 zoning commission discussed this, and 1894 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,560 I'll go into why this is recommended, 1895 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,719 they said, "We recommend that decks and 1896 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,799 the associated stairs that serve decks 1897 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,080 that go up to the deck should be 1898 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,080 excluded from building coverage." That 1899 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,040 would be a change to the code. We're not 1900 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,080 going to count towards building coverage 1901 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,279 anymore, regardless of the height of the 1902 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,080 deck. But what we do want to do is keep 1903 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,839 measuring the height of stoops and 1904 01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:15,920 stairs which are currently specified as 1905 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,359 a type of building coverage. The 1906 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:18,640 definition says building coverage 1907 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,880 includes stoops. It doesn't say stairs. 1908 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,719 So we're just clarifying. I said, "Do 1909 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:24,159 you want it to say stairs?" Just to 1910 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,159 clarify the code. They said yes. So if 1911 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:27,359 you've got stoops and stairs that go up 1912 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:28,560 to your house, that would be included in 1913 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,960 building coverage. The deck on the back 1914 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,239 of your house, they're recommending to 1915 01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,080 not include. And the reason for this, 1916 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,520 and by the way, Preservation Commission 1917 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,120 reviewed these amendments and have no 1918 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,520 objections. Um, these amendments are 1919 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,120 being proposed because in recent years, 1920 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,560 two residents found that they could not 1921 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,239 build a deck on their property per the 1922 01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,159 original plans they brought in because 1923 01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,159 the existing buildage coverage on the 1924 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,239 property met or exceeded the maximum 1925 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,960 coverage allowed. So, these specific 1926 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,960 requests were smaller lots in the R1A 1927 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,880 district, but several lots in the R2 and 1928 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,280 R3 districts along Burlington and Quincy 1929 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,719 uh already have the maximum allowed 1930 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,239 building coverage between their house 1931 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:03,840 and garage. So they just have a house 1932 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,040 and garage and those are the only 1933 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,640 structures on the property and they're 1934 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,560 already at the maximum allowab building 1935 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,320 coverage are above. So they came in to 1936 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,679 get a building permit for a deck and I 1937 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,920 said I'm so sorry we can't do that. In 1938 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,199 one case they decided not to move 1939 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,760 forward. In another case they lowered 1940 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,239 the deck which because the deck would 1941 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:23,040 have had been over 12 in to go out of 1942 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,520 their house on a level. So they uh had 1943 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:26,880 stairs going down to the deck and then a 1944 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,400 deck at 11 inches tall. That was the 1945 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,560 solution that they came up with. So 1946 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,840 that's why we're recommending these text 1947 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,360 amendments so that folks can have decks 1948 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,280 without having to request a variation or 1949 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,199 have a a short deck. 1950 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:37,920 >> I have a question. 1951 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:38,239 >> Yes. 1952 01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,560 >> Is there a max space for decks on a 1953 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,199 property? 1954 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:42,719 >> They did not recommend a maximum size 1955 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:43,440 for decks. 1956 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,640 >> So what's to prevent someone from having 1957 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,080 the entire backyard as a deck? 1958 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,679 >> They could cut if someone wanted to have 1959 01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,040 a large deck, they could have a large 1960 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,679 deck. Um I did a survey of the deck 1961 01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,400 permits from 2024 to 2025 and the 1962 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,040 average size deck was 15 feet by 16 1963 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,560 feet. So that's what most people choose 1964 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,560 to have in terms of a deck size. So we 1965 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,520 discussed that at the planning and 1966 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,840 zoning commission and they thought that 1967 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,440 practically speaking most people 1968 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,880 wouldn't want to have either due to 1969 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,719 expense or the use of their yard a deck 1970 01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:11,280 that was in excessive size. 1971 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,679 >> Yeah, most people but not everybody. 1972 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:14,480 >> It's true. 1973 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:15,360 >> Okay. 1974 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,679 >> It would have a deck has to be setbacks 1975 01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:18,320 though. Correct. 1976 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,679 >> They do have to meet setbacks. They 1977 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:21,440 can't be in the streetard and they can't 1978 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,120 be in the side setback. So they have to 1979 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,120 be a specific distance from adjacent 1980 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,520 property. Is there a rear yard setback 1981 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:27,840 too? 1982 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,280 >> There is. Yes. 1983 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,520 >> Is that the building setback or is there 1984 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,600 like a five foot or 1985 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,880 >> I believe it's 5T. 1986 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,600 >> Yeah. Okay. And 1987 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,480 related question. Uh are decks 1988 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,199 considered in the impervious surface 1989 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,199 coverage calculation? 1990 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,440 >> They are. They're definitely considered. 1991 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:48,880 They have to meet four standards to be 1992 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,880 considered pvious. One is you can't have 1993 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,400 anything covering the deck. Some folks 1994 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:53,600 have a permanent awning cover their 1995 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,360 decks. So, if water can't get through, 1996 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,520 then it's considered impervious. The 1997 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,040 second is that the deck boards have to 1998 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,480 have enough space between them to allow 1999 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,080 the water to trickle through. Most decks 2000 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,159 do. Uh, the third is that there can't be 2001 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:06,640 a catchment system under the deck. Um, 2002 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,080 again, to prevent the rain water from 2003 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,679 going through. And the fourth is that 2004 01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,199 the ground underneath the deck needs to 2005 01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,760 be pvious, so usually dirt or gravel. 2006 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,840 Almost everyone has that. A few folks 2007 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,679 don't, but we check that when we do the 2008 01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:19,360 inspections during the building permit 2009 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,600 finals and we note if they're impervious 2010 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,719 and then we would add that to their 2011 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,320 impervious surface coverage if they 2012 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,520 don't meet one of those standards. But 2013 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,440 otherwise, they are considered pvious. 2014 01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:33,440 >> Questions, comments? Uh, I'm okay with 2015 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,440 what the plan commission planning and 2016 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,040 zoning commission is recommending. 2017 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,280 >> Absolutely. I would ask them to do a 2018 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,640 little bit deeper dive into 2019 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,640 this question of, you know, are we 2020 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,199 really going to allow decks to cover 2021 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,600 everything except for that five-foot 2022 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,280 side and rear setback? Um, 2023 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,080 I I understand that it's not likely that 2024 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,520 someone would build a deck that big, but 2025 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,719 on the other hand, why not at least have 2026 01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:05,199 a instead of a 5-ft rear yard set back, 2027 01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,280 have a 20 foot or have it meet the 2028 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,159 building set back or something? I'm not 2029 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,800 opining on that, but I just want to 2030 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,560 would like if the board's in agreement, 2031 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,640 I'd like planning and zoning to address 2032 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,800 that a little bit further. 2033 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,159 >> But I think that's fair. You're taking 2034 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,920 away one constraint. the considering 2035 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,679 potential other ones. I think that's 2036 01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:24,880 good discussion. 2037 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,239 >> The next step for this, if you don't 2038 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:27,679 object, would be to schedule a public 2039 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:28,880 hearing on the amendments and we can 2040 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,000 discuss that during the public hearing 2041 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,280 and obviously bring forward their 2042 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,560 recommendation to you for the the 2043 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,360 organs. 2044 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,120 >> Did that work for everyone? 2045 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,679 >> Yeah. 2046 01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:38,080 >> Okay. 2047 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:38,719 >> Very good. 2048 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:39,679 >> Thank you very much. 2049 01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:40,480 >> Thank you. 2050 01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:44,149 Director Simon. 2051 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,080 » I love how excited she gets about these 2052 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,080 things. It's like contagious to be like, 2053 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,640 "Woo, look what we're doing." 2054 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:57,350 Welcome to the world of city planners. 2055 01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,920 So, okay, new business B, a resolution 2056 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,320 of the village of Riverside in support 2057 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,320 of affordable housing and municipal 2058 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,480 housing authority. Uh, a little 2059 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:12,960 background on that before I read the uh 2060 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,360 >> resolution Um, so as I think most 2061 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,920 everyone knows, the state of Illinois is 2062 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,040 considering uh legislation 2063 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,679 uh to promote affordable housing uh 2064 01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,120 throughout the state of Illinois. 2065 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,400 They've recognized and and I think this 2066 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,840 is is is absolutely true that there is 2067 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,239 an affordable housing crisis or 2068 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,800 situation in Illinois and throughout the 2069 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,320 country. Um, but the legislation uh has 2070 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,040 some good and a lot of bad in it as it's 2071 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,360 currently written in in my opinion and 2072 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,320 in the opinion of most municipal uh 2073 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,080 leaders. Um, it has funding for 2074 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,679 infrastructure to promote affordable 2075 01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:58,080 housing. That's a good part. The bad 2076 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,600 part is it would dictate zoning to all 2077 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,760 local municipalities, 2078 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,920 including uh a requirement that uh 2079 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,880 accessory dwelling units are permitted 2080 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,800 in every single family residential 2081 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,199 zoning district in the state. Uh and and 2082 01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,280 additionally it includes uh that any 2083 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,120 residential property of 2500 square ft 2084 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,520 is by right allowed to have four units 2085 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,320 have zoning for four units. 5,000 square 2086 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,800 feet they're allowed to have zoning for 2087 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:40,400 six units and at 7500 square ft uh the zoning would uh mandate by the state 2088 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,280 would be for eight units. Um that's 2089 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,960 obviously of great concern to 2090 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,040 municipalities throughout the state. 2091 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,920 I've been in touch with a lot of other 2092 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,040 uh uh village presidents, mayors, 2093 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,520 managers, etc. Uh there's a lot of 2094 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,199 movement uh on the with local municipal 2095 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:02,400 regional municipal organizations to to 2096 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,640 address this. Um my personal opinion is 2097 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,199 that uh we as I said we do have an 2098 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,760 affordable housing problem in the state. 2099 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,679 It needs to be addressed. We all need to 2100 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,920 accept some level of responsibility for 2101 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,159 it. But the answer should be crafted at 2102 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,719 the local level, not at the state level. 2103 01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,960 A one-sizefits-all 2104 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,360 uh will have unintended consequences and 2105 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,960 will 2106 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,960 negate the benefits of the affordable 2107 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,120 housing by threatening the quality of 2108 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,600 our communities. So, that was kind of 2109 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,199 the background of this resolution. Uh, I 2110 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,320 will um I don't know. Do I Do you want 2111 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,080 me to read it or I I guess I don't need 2112 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,760 to read it. You've all got it in your 2113 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,360 packet. It's been published in in uh in 2114 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,600 our agenda packet. Uh so uh as for 2115 01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,239 comments, questions from trustees. 2116 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:01,199 >> Trusty Evans. 2117 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:06,080 >> Um I wonder if we should 2118 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,199 edit the title a little bit. Um, so 2119 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:10,640 there's some distinction there because 2120 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,679 right now it reads as if we are in 2121 01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:16,960 support of the Build Act. It's sort of 2122 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,440 subtle, but um I'm not sure that people 2123 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:23,520 understand the what the content of the 2124 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,120 resolution is, which is that we support 2125 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,280 some parts of build but not um usurping 2126 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,360 the authority of the village. So if we 2127 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,800 can make a little bit more of a 2128 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,280 distinction in the title so people don't 2129 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:39,920 misunderstand 2130 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,159 >> title, right? And and I I completely 2131 01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,080 agree. you brought this to my attention 2132 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,280 before the the the board meeting and I 2133 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:52,480 think that uh uh what I would like to to 2134 01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,360 do is to change the title just to delete 2135 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,960 the words of affordable housing and or 2136 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,800 affordable housing and in other words 2137 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,440 the title would be a resolution of the 2138 01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,920 village of Riverside in support of 2139 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,719 municipal land use authority. Yes, 2140 01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:10,800 >> because that is really the point of it 2141 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,360 and and the title as written could be 2142 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,480 misleading 2143 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,960 >> to some people who would think that 2144 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,280 means we support the legislation that's 2145 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,920 pending and and I I 2146 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:22,880 >> don't think we do. 2147 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:23,840 >> Yeah. 2148 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:24,239 >> Yes. 2149 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,920 >> Uh one point uh municipal land use 2150 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,320 authority. It could be a misplaced 2151 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,920 modifier. 2152 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,320 >> Municipal land 2153 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,320 being the subject, but it isn't the 2154 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,880 subject. It's municipal authority. 2155 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,800 That's the subject. 2156 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,600 >> Municipal authority over land use or 2157 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:44,480 zoning. 2158 01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:45,280 >> Oh, I see. 2159 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,000 >> Something like that. I just I don't want 2160 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,400 to put the emperor 2161 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,000 anybody 2162 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,600 >> municipal authority to regulate land 2163 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,159 use. 2164 01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:54,560 >> Yes. 2165 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,480 >> Yeah. 2166 01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:58,080 >> Thank you. 2167 01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,199 >> Could you say that again? I couldn't 2168 01:18:59,199 --> 01:18:59,600 hear. 2169 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,600 >> Okay. It would read Oh, got it. I just 2170 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,600 forgot it. Okay. resolution of the 2171 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,480 village of Riverside in support of 2172 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,719 municipal authority to regulate land 2173 01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:09,280 use. 2174 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:09,679 >> Yes. 2175 01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:10,080 >> Perfect. 2176 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,920 >> Much better. 2177 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,120 >> Thank you for calling the attention. 2178 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,560 >> Any other questions, comments? 2179 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,920 >> Someone wrote that down. 2180 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,520 >> Uh if not, I would ask for a motion to 2181 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,679 approve the resolution as amended with 2182 01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:30,239 uh as as read by the attorney. 2183 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:34,080 >> So move second. Motion in a second. Uh, 2184 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:40,149 any discussion on the motion? Clenzel. 2185 01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:40,880 » Sorry. 2186 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,120 >> I'm sorry. Wait. We should have public 2187 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,960 comment on this. 2188 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,960 >> I'm sorry. You're absolutely right. Uh, 2189 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,640 there's no one in the audience, but I 2190 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,920 should call for it anyway. 2191 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:50,880 >> Yes. 2192 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,320 >> Other than our reporting. 2193 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:52,800 >> I mean, 2194 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,280 >> other than our landmark reporting, 2195 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,800 >> it's the formality of it. I feel like I 2196 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,320 should say okay 2197 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,960 >> and our staff. But uh is there anyone in 2198 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,400 the audience who would like to speak to 2199 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,159 this topic? 2200 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,000 >> Thank you. Clerk Stenzel, please call 2201 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,480 the role. 2202 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,520 >> Trusty Marsha. 2203 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:07,840 >> Hi. 2204 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:08,880 >> Trusty Gallagos. 2205 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,600 >> Trusty Cos. 2206 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:09,920 >> Hi. 2207 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,120 >> Trusty Evans. 2208 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,880 >> Just hi. 2209 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:13,920 >> Sorry, 2210 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,040 >> we may need to clarify. You said I 2211 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,239 >> He said I and then I said I. Yes. 2212 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:21,280 >> Trusty Evans. 2213 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:21,600 >> Hi. 2214 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:22,640 >> Trusty Mateo. 2215 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:22,880 >> I. 2216 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,920 >> Trusty Fitzgerald. 2217 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:24,800 >> I. 2218 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,560 >> Motion approves. Thank you. And I will 2219 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,080 be uh sending out a signed executed copy 2220 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,880 of this to uh Illinois Municipal League, 2221 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,960 West Central Municipal Conference, and 2222 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:43,189 our state representatives uh tomorrow. 2223 01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:45,679 And finally, a discussion of draft 2224 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:47,840 ordinance for public safety facility 2225 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,000 referendum. Manager Francis, 2226 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,920 >> thank you. So, I provided a brief 2227 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,480 summary and overview of how how we've 2228 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,320 gotten to this point and when all of 2229 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,960 these different pieces and the processes 2230 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,440 started of evaluating the villages 2231 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,120 facility because it was I thought it was 2232 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,360 important to give an overview because 2233 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,400 many of the board members though I know 2234 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,400 Trusty Matteo is very familiar because 2235 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,159 she was on planning and zoning 2236 01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,320 commission at at that point in time but 2237 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,880 the only board member that has been here 2238 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,040 from the start is actually President 2239 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,080 Pollock of the process of facilities 2240 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,880 evaluation up to this point in time 2241 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,960 related to the public safety facility 2242 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,360 referendum. And so, Attorney Pickel has 2243 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,960 crafted a draft referendum question for 2244 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,199 the board to discuss and review. Um, and 2245 01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,360 then additionally, as noted, we will 2246 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,719 have the open house on May 19th. This 2247 01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:48,320 particular question would not go before 2248 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,840 residents until um and I'm sorry I just 2249 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,520 want to also make note that there was a 2250 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,360 typo because we initially moving the 2251 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,960 dates for the open house. So on the 2252 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,040 agenda history sheet it does say May 2253 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,440 20th but it is actually May 19th and it 2254 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,760 is at station one. So just for the 2255 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,040 general public's reference. Um this 2256 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,120 would not go before the vote voters 2257 01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:13,120 until April of 2027. So, we do have time 2258 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,040 and attorney Pekrol can kind of walk us 2259 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,280 through the schedule and the timeline, 2260 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,120 but also more importantly, I know the 2261 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,960 board members had some general questions 2262 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,520 about what you can and cannot do 2263 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,440 relative to uh referendum. As I stated 2264 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:31,040 previously, when we staff compiles 2265 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,920 information, we can do public education 2266 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,360 and engagement. We cannot ad we cannot 2267 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,159 advocate we can only educate and that is 2268 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,320 our sole role and purpose. And so with 2269 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,719 the public engagement we are educating 2270 01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:46,560 we are letting residents know kind of 2271 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,920 where the project has um progressed over 2272 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,880 time why the facilities are needed so on 2273 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,120 and so forth. And so our engagement 2274 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,520 cycle will be from now until April of 2275 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,320 next year. So it will go for a year-long 2276 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,120 duration. Um, we will be creating a 2277 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,040 landing page with all the information 2278 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,040 that we've previously provided to the 2279 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,040 community, but it'll be a set landing 2280 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,520 page. We will be creating FAQs. The 2281 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,760 first step is really to get a handle on 2282 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,600 is this what what the board wants to see 2283 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,840 as the referendum question and then we 2284 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,199 would build out the FAQs on that basis. 2285 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,679 But we need a more of a starting point 2286 01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:30,480 um so that we know what residents are 2287 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,239 going what is going to be asked of them 2288 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,080 next year. You will not need to vote on 2289 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,239 this this evening. You will not need to 2290 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,920 vote on it next month. We have time. Um 2291 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,840 but I think it is important to make sure 2292 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,000 we're laying this out and answering any 2293 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,760 questions that the board members may 2294 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,440 have. It is worded um in consultation 2295 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:54,159 with attorney pick. It is worded um flex 2296 01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,040 in a very flexible manner. So then if 2297 01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,600 certain surpluses are derived or things 2298 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,000 come in under budget, then we can 2299 01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,880 accomplish other things that were beyond 2300 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,719 that 29.9 million proposal. So the river 2301 01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:12,480 path, if you recall, parts of it, you 2302 01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,080 know, the part that actually comes out 2303 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,000 of the back of the building is included 2304 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,840 in the scope, but the actual connecting 2305 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,960 path from Swinging Bridge to Swamp Pond 2306 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,000 is not. And that was estimated to be 2307 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,360 around $3 million. So if staff, you 2308 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,440 know, is able to secure grant funding 2309 01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,920 for pieces of it, things come in under 2310 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,760 budget, all these different things at 2311 01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,760 play, we want to make sure that the 2312 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,639 question is worded in a flexible manner 2313 01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:40,719 in which we can achieve the outcomes 2314 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:43,920 that the community is looking for. 2315 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,480 So I I'll turn it over to attorney pick 2316 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,639 to kind of outline what you can and 2317 01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:51,040 cannot do and provide a quick overview 2318 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,040 of the timeline. 2319 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,159 >> Uh thank you. Uh, and I I'll start with 2320 01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,320 the timeline. That one's fairly uh 2321 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,719 generous at this point. So, you the way 2322 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:02,000 when you have a referendum that you want 2323 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,480 to appear at a at an election, we're 2324 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,679 targeting the April 6th, 2027 election, 2325 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,520 you you start on that date, you work 2326 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,600 backwards to establish all the 2327 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,520 deadlines. Um, and the most important 2328 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,520 deadline for the village board is 2329 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,880 January 15, 2027. that by that date we 2330 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,360 would have to pass this resolution uh 2331 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,840 shortly or another version that the 2332 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,000 board agrees to but that is that is 79 2333 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,239 days before the election. It would have 2334 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,760 to be passed by that date. So still 2335 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,280 plenty of time to think about it but 2336 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,600 that's that's the first deadline within 2337 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,840 10 days after that we have to certify it 2338 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,080 send it over to the county and there's a 2339 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,239 series of deadlines that follow which 2340 01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:42,400 the county provides uh notice. We also 2341 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,000 have to provide notice, post it on 2342 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,719 village hall on the wall in village hall 2343 01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:48,880 and and and take a series of other 2344 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,199 steps. Beach one is 10 to 20 days 2345 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,440 following that original critical 2346 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:55,840 adoption date. Um which again is not 2347 01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,120 until January of next year. Um, in terms 2348 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,440 of what we can and cannot do as a 2349 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,760 village in terms of advocating for this, 2350 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,800 basically there's there's a um there's a 2351 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,960 basic principle that government money 2352 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,199 and government resources cannot be used 2353 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,280 to promote a yes or a no on a 2354 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,760 referendum. We can promote we can offer 2355 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,159 information, factual information, but we 2356 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,159 cannot advocate. And what does that 2357 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:21,600 mean? What are government resources? 2358 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,679 Well, I mean for some of the easiest 2359 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:25,679 ones we you know the village board 2360 01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:29,040 cannot advocate. Yes or no from the dis 2361 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,600 here. Uh if you're basically if you are on duty you should remain 2362 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,080 neutral about the resolution. Uh you 2363 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,920 should not use village resources, 2364 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,280 village computers, village email 2365 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:40,639 accounts. Anything that the village 2366 01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:42,639 provides you should not be used to 2367 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:45,280 advocate one way or the other. Uh what 2368 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,400 we can do is offer factual information 2369 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,199 as uh manager Francis pointed out. Uh 2370 01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,199 obviously 2371 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,120 factual there that can get a little 2372 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,239 murky sometimes. One is fat offering 2373 01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:01,120 facts um become advocacy and certainly 2374 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,000 attorneys take full advantage often when 2375 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,920 advocating in court for the very 2376 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,840 purpose. Uh often there are there are 2377 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,520 consultants who can assist with this and 2378 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,360 we should just be very thoughtful and 2379 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,679 judicious about the facts that we offer 2380 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:16,080 to ensure that they're accurate and that 2381 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,639 we are you know we could say it will 2382 01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:21,280 cost this much and it will you know uh 2383 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,280 be offered to be used to build this 2384 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,000 facility but we cannot characterize what 2385 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,840 it does. You know it's going to be 2386 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,159 really cheap and it will then you know 2387 01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,080 what a great facility. No, that that's 2388 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,760 the distinction. Um but having said all 2389 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,080 that u the fact that uh you are 2390 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,320 legislators and members of trustees does 2391 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,600 not mean that you have lost your first 2392 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,000 amendment rights. Uh you as individuals 2393 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,480 can advocate one way or the other. Uh 2394 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,960 you just cannot do so on company time or 2395 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,800 using company resources as it were. So 2396 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,719 we would suggest that anybody if you 2397 01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,560 have personal feelings about the 2398 01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,600 referendum uh you advocate it using only 2399 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,800 your uh personal uh devices only your 2400 01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,239 personal accounts and if you uh it is a 2401 01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:08,480 true fact that you are uh village 2402 01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:11,360 trustees uh but you know if that if that 2403 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,280 topic were to ever come up I would 2404 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,360 suggest clarifying that you are offering 2405 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,440 this in your individual capacity not as 2406 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,480 a trustee and and and always making that 2407 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:23,040 crystal clear. One thing too keep in 2408 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,960 mind um a lot of times uh discussions of 2409 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,120 referendums will just sort of naturally 2410 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,239 you'll be in a meeting at dinner party 2411 01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:31,600 or whatever you'll start talking about 2412 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,320 it and if two other trustees walk in and 2413 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,920 you're talking about it that implicates 2414 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,159 the open meetings act. So discontinue 2415 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,280 that conversation and um save it for 2416 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:42,719 another time. 2417 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:46,000 >> And I I uh there I would say those are 2418 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,000 general principles. There are a million 2419 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,480 little examples uh about can I do this, 2420 01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,639 can I do that? It's a little murky. If 2421 01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:54,239 you have any questions about anything, 2422 01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:55,760 shoot me an email, give me a call. I'm 2423 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,000 happy to walk through it with you. 2424 01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,840 >> Uh, just a quick question. Organizations 2425 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,760 that we might be a part of within the 2426 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,480 village. 2427 01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,080 >> Mhm. 2428 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,880 >> Would we be allowed to 2429 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,679 >> speak at within those organizations as 2430 01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:11,760 again not as trustee, but as an 2431 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:12,320 individual? 2432 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,520 >> As an individual. Yes. 2433 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:13,840 >> Okay. 2434 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,280 Like for example, I was at the 2435 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,960 Chamber of Commerce yesterday and I did 2436 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,400 talk about this as a topic that the 2437 01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,880 village would be discussing. um you know 2438 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,639 and how we need have a need for for a 2439 01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:23,920 new building and facilities and they 2440 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,880 were very very receptive to it. So um 2441 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,880 >> yes I said as long as you are clarifying 2442 01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,280 >> not on company time and as long as you 2443 01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,480 were clarifying that that is you are 2444 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,840 acting as an individual then that's 2445 01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,910 fine. Good. 2446 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,840 » Any questions, comments, discussion? 2447 01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,600 Very good. Thank you. 2448 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,400 >> Thank you. 2449 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,239 >> Um, we do have 2450 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,360 >> Yeah, I did want to check on um the 2451 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,440 question the way it's written. 2452 01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:53,760 >> Yes. 2453 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,320 >> I can't tell if it's legal ease or if 2454 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,159 possibly it's a typo. 2455 01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,400 >> Okay. So, let me pull it up here. 2456 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:00,880 >> Okay. 2457 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,600 I got it. of shell bonds in the 2458 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,880 amount of not to exceed is that 2459 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,880 >> that's intentional. It's okay. It's 2460 01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,480 legal ease. What we want to say is we 2461 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:13,520 want to offer the ability to issue a 2462 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,760 lesser amount of bonds if that becomes 2463 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,760 advantageous. We use the same language 2464 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,760 with the um the interest rates. uh let's 2465 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,600 see, you know, rate a rate not to 2466 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,320 exceed. Uh it's I accept that it's a 2467 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,159 fairly common phraseology in the legal 2468 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,040 world, but for all normal people, it may 2469 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,400 seem a little awkward. So, I can 2470 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,760 certainly try to rephrase that in a way 2471 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,520 that is a little more palatable. 2472 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,679 >> A rate of not to exceed. 2473 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,120 >> Yeah, just the word of. 2474 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:39,440 >> Yes. 2475 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:40,080 >> Right. 2476 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,679 >> It says, yeah, 2477 01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,159 >> the rate that is make sure that's not in 2478 01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:46,480 the actual um that's what it says. 2479 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,000 >> Rate not to exceed a rate of not to 2480 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:48,159 exceed. 2481 01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:49,920 >> Oh, wait. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. 2482 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,840 That is a type. Oh my gosh. You Thank 2483 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,080 you. 2484 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,600 Okay. Bonds on the screen correct issue 2485 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,440 bonds in in amount of not to exceed. 2486 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:02,639 Well, because that's there's an 2487 01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,080 interaction here because there is a 2488 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,239 statuto there's a statute that we have 2489 01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,159 to follow the exact language of one 2490 01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:11,360 moment please. Um and we have to follow 2491 01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,840 the format. 2492 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:19,430 Just one moment. 2493 01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:20,880 I mean, I know I just 2494 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,120 >> Well, we this isn't final, so no, 2495 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,560 >> you can let us know. 2496 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,040 >> It grammatically it 2497 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,560 >> grammatically it seems like it should 2498 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,560 read Shia Bonds in the amount not to 2499 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,960 exceed 29 million. 2500 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,080 >> Yeah. So, we we have 2501 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:37,840 >> same in the last sentence too, but if 2502 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,320 it's required legally, so be it. The 2503 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,920 language that the words we have to 2504 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,400 include in that sentence are shall bonds 2505 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,560 in the amount of blank. So we want to 2506 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:49,840 say that it's not going to exceed but 2507 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,000 the word of has to be there. 2508 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,800 >> So it could say shall bonds 2509 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,120 >> in the amount of 2510 01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,760 >> shall bonds not to exceed the amount of 2511 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:00,800 29 million. 2512 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,800 >> We can't use that. So the first the 2513 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,040 first five words have to be shall bonds 2514 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,520 in the amount of 2515 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,880 >> Well, it's better than the last one. 2516 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,600 Couldn't get worse. Yeah, I know. 2517 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,480 >> Much better. 2518 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,719 >> Does therefore need to be misspelled as 2519 01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:17,280 well? 2520 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,280 >> Yeah, it it probably doesn't need to be. 2521 01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,470 >> Where's therefore? 2522 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:25,360 » Isn't it there, too? 2523 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:26,239 >> I think that's illegal. 2524 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:26,960 >> No, the lower. 2525 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:27,600 >> Yeah, therefore 2526 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:28,560 >> bottom bottom corner. 2527 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:28,960 >> Bottom 2528 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,239 >> furnaces there, too. 2529 01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:30,800 >> Thank you. 2530 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,639 >> Gosh. 2531 01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:35,520 >> Welcome to 2532 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,800 >> Yeah. So that uh therefore is not a 2533 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,400 concluding therefore. It's more of a 2534 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,719 therefore for that object or purpose. So 2535 01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:46,080 we're listing um the public safe 2536 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,280 facility and all the various purposes 2537 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,920 and so that that that therefore is is 2538 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:53,040 correctly spelled. 2539 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,709 >> Thanks. 2540 01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:00,880 » Any other questions, discussion? If not, 2541 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,880 uh as I said, we do have a need for an 2542 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,199 executive session tonight. 2543 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:07,520 um to discuss probable imminent or 2544 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,000 pending litigation. Uh the board will 2545 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,080 not reconvene and no final action will 2546 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,480 take place. I would ask for a motion and 2547 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:16,560 second to adjourn to executive session. 2548 01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:17,840 >> Some move. 2549 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:18,880 >> Second. 2550 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,239 >> All in favor say I. 2551 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:20,719 >> I. 2552 01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:26,040 >> Any opposed? None. We are adjourned.