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» Mhm.

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» Mhm.

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» Good evening. I'd like to call to order

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the Schenectady City Council Committee

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for Monday, April 20th, 2026. The first

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item will be a presentation by the

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Cornell Cooperative Extension.

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So, I'd like to invite both of our

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guests up.

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We have a beautiful microphone.

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>> Fantastic. So, we also have to scroll on

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our slides. Is that okay?

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We want to

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We can share the mic. Do you want to

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bring it up here?

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All right.

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Are we good?

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Hello. Good evening. Thanks for having

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us today. We're really excited to share

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our project with you and talk a little

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bit about more about how we can

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incorporate the city into this. My name

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is Kayla Picarero. I'm the recycling and

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composting educator for Cornell

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Cooperative Extension in Schenectady

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County.

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I also run the Schenectady County Free

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Cycles program.

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And my name is Yarrow Bautista. I mainly

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oversee the actual system

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and do various education sessions

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through Sycamore Collaborative.

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So, we are going to hopefully scroll

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through these for you all.

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And talk a little bit about why

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composting is important and why we're

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here to begin with. So, composting is an

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essential part of the nutrient cycle.

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You probably all heard of composting.

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It's kind of that dirty gross thing that

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has to do with food scraps and soil and

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how they're connected. Essentially, what

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we can do is is take food scraps that

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are destined for the landfill where they

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will end up methane and create all sorts

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of air pollutants and not so great

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stuff. So, we want to avoid that by

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diverting everything from the landfills

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and sending it to compost instead where

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it creates nutrient-rich soil amendment

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where we can use in farms and we

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particularly use it on school gardens in

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the Schenectady City School District and

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we're really proud of that initiative.

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I'm going to scroll.

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Um so, compost can happen at various

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scales. A lot of what we do is at the

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community scale.

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but uh for all intents and purposes, you

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would be participating in compost at the

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municipal scale which is

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definitely the most effective

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way to have composting because it

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ensures that access is

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to people throughout a community rather

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than um

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rather than

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sectional things like

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commercial composting which is only

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accessible to those that are able to

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afford certain costs and fees or

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individual composting which is only

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accessible to those that have the

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or the or the physical ability to be

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question about how we do all of this.

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It's basically through the Schenectady

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Community Compost Project which is a

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partnership between six different

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organizations that are working together

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to bring composting to the residents of

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We are primarily focused on schools and

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community composting where most of our

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food scraps come from that we process on

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site at Fair Avenue Urban Farm in a

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composting system known as a static

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aerated pile or an SAP system or an ASP

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system.

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Our partners really quickly for you are

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[snorts] the Schenectady City School

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Soil and Water Conservation District,

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myself at Cornell Cooperative Extension,

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Schenectady County and then Sycamore

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Collaborative which is where Yarrow

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Our compost system for more details, our

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ASP is a solar-powered composting system

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that can process up to 1,000 lb of food

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scraps per week

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and it's capable of, you know, diverting

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all of that waste by these aerated

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systems that you can see on the screen.

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There's a 4-month turnaround time on

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that nutrient-rich material. And like I

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said, the majority of our food scraps

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come from Zoller Elementary School. We

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also compost at two other schools and

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other districts and we bring it there

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and we process it on site. Everything

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that's turned over either stays on there

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or it gets brought back to the schools

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for the school gardens so that

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everything is full circle

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and that the kids are able to kind of

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get their hands in the dirt. This is

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what our system looks like when it's

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full of food scraps and carbon material.

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and Water Conservation District standing

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on top of the pile and the handprints

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you see along the bottom are from the

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second grade class at Zoller Elementary

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School and they were able to come and

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put their handprints on and we dedicated

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it to them so that we could really

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incorporate the students. And then we

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bring the second grade class at Zoller

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every year to see the system and see

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where their food scraps go and and so

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they can understand exactly their their

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impact that they're having in the

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community which is really great.

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the actual composting system that we're

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managing over in the Fair Avenue Farm,

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but we also get input from the Sycamore

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Collaborative Food Pantry which is

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the destination for a lot is the biggest

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pantry in the in the region

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and it is where a lot of the regional

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grocery store pickups are destined to.

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reduce the the landfill input that is

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going in and instead take that over and

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compost it to shift that impact towards a positive impact

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rather than a negative impact. We also

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have community compost drop-off

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locations

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that are managed by Kayla

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in which we have over 110 families

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throughout Schenectady County that are

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able to divert their waste and they make

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an effort every single week to to do so.

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other occasional things like we support

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the fall and things like that.

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as of very recently, we have been able

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to divert over 100,000 lb of organic food scraps which I'm going

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to ask you to clap for that because

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» Um that kind of diversion is something

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that is unheard of for a community scale

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composting system. It takes a lot of

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effort and when you're considering that

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most of the things being diverted are

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diverted by kids from ages

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it just really brings in the context

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that this is something that is affecting

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those kids in extremely extremely

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positive ways because they not only feel

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empowered but they are also learning

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critical skills like understanding the

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difference between materials and

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understanding this is

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something that is organic, something

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that is going to break down, something

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that is going to be able to

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after breaking down feed my very own

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school garden and feed other places

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throughout the community. They're able

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to see that with their eyes and they

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have multiple ways to kind of make that

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connection between the food that they're

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consuming and the food that grows

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on land.

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on top of that, it really brings in a

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lot of

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benefit to Schenectady in general

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all of that material that would have

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that would have gone to

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places before it going out to the Seneca

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Falls landfill is now instead not

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producing methane and other

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and or and other greenhouse gases that

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are that would have been harmful to our

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communities and our and our state in

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and the grand

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instead we are able to

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divert the amount of energy that it

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would take 31 homes for an entire year

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to power their homes. So,

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for for context, we have also been able

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to even though this is a waste diversion

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effort to make sure that we're keeping

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as much food out of landfills as

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possible, we're also generating

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so much compost that again is then able

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to be utilized in various other spaces

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to bring nutrients those nutrients back

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to the community in community gardens

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and school gardens that are able to feed

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our kids, are able to feed

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and are accessible.

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consists of a lot. We do a lot through

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the community compost project with all

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of our partners. We go into schools, we

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do waste audits, we go into businesses,

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we do waste audits.

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programs which we're currently doing at

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right now in Scotia-Glenville doing that

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for another school. So, really excited

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to keep moving on and and trucking

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through and getting more schools on

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board.

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There's a lot more kind of buzz around

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the city school districts about what we

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can do there.

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community giveback days. Just did one on

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Saturday at Fair Avenue Farm where

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residents come in and make a compost to

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bring back to their houses. So, we try to make it

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kind of community full circle events. I

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don't know if anybody's ever heard of

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pumpkin smash, but it's a really good

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time in November

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where we bring in the community to do

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things like this.

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the waste. So,

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we have a full few weeks coming up of of

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educational programming for the kiddos.

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We're going to, you know, reach, you

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know, probably over 1,000 kids over the

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next few weeks, which is really

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exciting. So,

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we're really really proud of this this

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now we're finally at the part where why

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we're here tonight. So, where do we go

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We are looking to do just everything

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that we can to divert food scraps and

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increase awareness and education. It's

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for a few reasons, right? We all know

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there's trash problem, right? Our trash

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day is is crazy driving through these

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streets, but

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we can support that by taking the food

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scraps out of that equation. So, if

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we're able to take that out, that's

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reducing the weight of the trash that is

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being put out, right? That's harmful for

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our actual people who are physically

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picking up the bags. We're reducing that

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weight. We're reducing the methane

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output from the landfills. We're

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reducing the actual amount of trash

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that's just sitting on the streets

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during trash day that's being picked up.

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Instead, we're giving people a little

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bit more autonomy and ownership over

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what they can do with their with their

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waste. Um so, composting at the

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municipal the municipal scale

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reduces strain on the system. It's a

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point of pride, honestly. Our system as

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it is right now is is really impactful

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and we could increase that. We're

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increasing it tenfold every time we just

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get one more sign up, right? Um we're

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expanding Schenectady's sustainability

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reach. Um

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I know that it's like a goal of the

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city, so it'd be really cool to partner

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on something like that. Um

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what we're looking to do and what would

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have the greatest impact would be to

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replicate our ASP system, our static

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aerated pile system, elsewhere in the

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city so that we can do the program even

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more, right? So, what we have at Fair

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Avenue, we serve 110 families. If we can

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serve more if we're not servicing

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schools, so we could certainly service

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quite a few hundred households out of

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in a system like that.

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And we are kind of looking for spaces to

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do that. We're looking for funds to do

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that. And the idea right now is that,

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you know, there's some spaces at

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Steinmetz Park in that neighborhood that

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would probably be a great place to start

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looking for that. Another benefit of

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that is some of the students in that

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area actually go to Dolly. So, what

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they'd be doing at school, they could

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actually take home and then their their

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families could be composting at home as

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well, which would be really neat.

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And we're we're looking to expand that

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way. So, educational efforts would

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continue with residents in that

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capacity. And then, if we were able to

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get a structure on site, we would be

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hoping that we would have a compost

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coordinator to then maintain that site

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and hopefully expand. So, yeah,

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the system is in the grand scheme of

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things, it's not crazy, you know, crazy

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number cuz you figure looking at around

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$20,000 to implement something like

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that.

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And the impact would be a few hundred

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families in that immediate area. And

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then we could offer it up to anybody

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who's willing to drive to that area as

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well, of course. Um and we're hoping to

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expand expand the program to kind of hit

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those marks and

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bring composting to more folks in City

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of Schenectady where

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we'd love to be more involved.

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That's all we have for you. Thank you.

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Questions or comments?

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Uh hearing none,

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I definitely appreciate you coming out

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to speak. Sincerely, having this

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presentation offers to your point, how

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do we reduce the strain on the system? I

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know you mentioned a few hundred

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families. Can you speak to what what in

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realistic metrics are for how many you

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can anticipate if the city adopted

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something like this in the first year?

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That is a fantastic question.

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Yeah. Um right now we have 110 and we're

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increasing about 200

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lbs. So,

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less than 1,000 would be another five

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about 500 households

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theoretically, depending on, you know,

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every household's different.

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And then I know in our personal

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conversations you talked about the

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differences between pick up and drop

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off. Would you mind just expanding on

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that? Absolutely. So, right now we have

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only pick up at the schools because

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that's our capacity.

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We have drop off in Central Park. We

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have two locations right now. It's

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really really convenient. 24/7.

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They're really nice looking drop off

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systems, if I do say so myself.

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And people are able to access them

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through a locked code and then they go

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and drop off their food scraps. And

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you're all welcome to pick them up in

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the truck, bring them to our static

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aerated pile system, drop them off, and

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process them there.

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It would be highly beneficial

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if we were to look at maybe a pilot

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program like Troy's. They did a pilot

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program from 2021 to 2023

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where they serviced 250 households over

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that period of time. They had a free

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base pilot program.

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And they were able to partner with Food

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Scraps 360, which is a local composting

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business. And they did a pick up

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program, which for a lot of folks is

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more convenient, right? You don't have

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to leave your house to drop off your

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food scraps. You just put a bucket at

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the end of your driveway.

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And they were able to fund that with a a

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matched USDA USDA grant. And that was a

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really successful program. So, there's both options, really.

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And the Sorry. No. Uh the last would

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just be any stigma associated with it,

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the smell. Can you just talk about the

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technology and how

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that's not the case. I'd love to talk

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about that.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Would you like to share about how close

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our neighbors are at our composting

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system? Uh 100%. So, we have, I think,

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three houses that are directly directly

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bordering Fair Avenue Farm on just one

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side. And on the further side, we have

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another house that just has a small gap

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between it and the location. Um

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there have been zero total reports since

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the the start of the program over three

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years ago. Um

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and

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many people are operating in the farm

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space

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on a regular basis. And there have been

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no complaints regarding to the smell

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because

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if the process is done properly, there

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are biofilters

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with all of the material being covered.

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And it being a static aerated system

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means that

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it is

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only really

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allowing for

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It's only really allowing for heat

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loving bacteria, which are the positive

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bacteria that are generally not going to

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create as foul of smells as something

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like

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um

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uh like anaerobic bacteria, which is

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something like if that if you were to

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leave something inside of a closed

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bucket for a prolonged period of time

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and [clears throat] you open up, that

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would be where you would have negative

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smells as opposed to composting, which

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is actively reducing that.

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Thank you. Um Mr. Doran? Thank you.

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Whereabouts in Central Park are these

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located? Sure. So, the composting system

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itself is on Fair Avenue at our urban

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farm. And so, we do have a drop spot

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right there. And then we have a second

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drop spot at the Sustainable Living

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Center, which is CCE property.

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Whereabouts is that in? Next to the

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tennis courts. Oh, sure. Okay. And my

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next question is, how many

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pounds do you think do you have a

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poundage of what you've collected so

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far? So, we just recently hit 100,000

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lbs of food scraps through the system.

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>> Who's at the 103? Yeah. Yeah.

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It's been a really great program.

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The community has kind of taken it and

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run. I just got three more sign ups for

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the community compost this weekend,

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which is really exciting cuz people are

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waking up now. Yes. Great. Uh if there

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are no other questions or comments, I

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think sincerely what your efforts have

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been able to produce over the few years

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at the community level is very

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commendable. I appreciate you demanding

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that appreciation.

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But only imagining what we can replicate

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at a municipal level, even with the

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monetary consideration towards the

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$20,000 with respect to our total

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budget, I think sincerely as we later

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addressed the concept of just waste

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collection and reuse, it is becoming

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just a growing challenge, not just for

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our system, but for our workers.

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So, I think considering these types of

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opportunities, it is a requirement and

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expectation not just for us, but for the

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next generation so we're able to leave

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them something usable as a product.

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[clears throat]

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Um so, thank you for your time. I look

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forward to presenting something with

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some findings for consideration at a

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future meeting, but thank you again.

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Thank you all so much. Thank you.

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So, at this time, we will have public

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safety. Uh so, I'd like to call the

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public safety committee to order. We

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have one item on the agenda, the

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Statewide Targeted Reductions in

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Intimate Partner Violence Initiative,

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STRIVE in year two grant. Uh it's

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Senator Vavulish.

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Good evening, everyone. Senator Vavulish

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here to

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present the, as mentioned, Statewide

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Targeted Reductions in Intimate Partner

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Violence Initiative, otherwise known as

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the STRIVE grant. This is the second

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year running.

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Uh

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To give a quick back brief on it, uh

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the governor has allocated money to

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equip law enforcement agencies, district

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attorneys, municipal services provide

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service providers, and other agencies

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necessary funding, guidance, and

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00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,680
training to effectively respond to,

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00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,680
mitigate, prosecute intimate partner

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violence through evidence-based,

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survivor-centered, trauma-informed, and

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culturally responsive interventions.

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It's a mouthful.

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00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,280
Uh

542
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Ultimately, the county has been awarded

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a little over 1.1 million, which is

544
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going to be divided amongst uh our

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police department,

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uh district attorney's office, the

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00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,400
county sheriff's department, uh county

548
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probation, Rotterdam police, and the

549
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YWCA.

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Uh again, this money's coming from DCJS

551
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for a contract period between April 1st

552
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and March 31st of next year.

553
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So, [clears throat]

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,160
our portion, the Schenectady Police

555
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,360
Department, is going to receive

556
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,470
$338,433,

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00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,600
which will go to support two dedicated

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,360
detectives, one on days, one on

559
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,240
afternoons,

560
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,360
half the salary of one of our crime

561
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,560
analysts, and

562
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,670
other targeted overtime detail funding.

563
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,760
All right, are there any questions or

564
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,080
comments? Yes, Mr.

565
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Is this Is this part of the 2026 budget?

566
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,840
This is This is Can we account for this

567
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,440
in the 2026

568
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,760
Say that

569
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,160
>> Can we account for this in the 2026

570
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200
budget? Correct. The assumption was

571
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,160
there.

572
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,440
Thank you.

573
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,320
To my knowledge, STRIVE is going to be

574
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,760
similar to the Give Grants, and it's

575
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,920
just not going away in the in in the

576
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,480
foreseeable future.

577
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,270
So.

578
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Hearing no other questions, going to

579
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,520
have a motion to move this.

580
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,120
>> So moved.

581
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Second.

582
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,560
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

583
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,320
Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, not

584
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,950
you. Sorry,

585
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,600
Um

586
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,840
Second. Second.

587
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,960
All in favor? Aye.

588
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,600
If there is nothing else to fall before

589
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,280
Public Safety, I call for motion to

590
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,040
adjourn. So moved.

591
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,680
Second. All in favor? Aye.

592
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000
Thank you, we are adjourned. Um just for

593
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,920
clarification, the first quarter report

594
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,360
and finances being pulled. We'll have

595
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,000
this back at our next committee meeting

596
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,200
once Mr. Guptamok is available.

597
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:34,258
That's clarification.

598
00:41:34,268 --> 00:41:36,470
» [clears throat]

599
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,000
» I would like to call the Health and

600
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,720
Recreation Committee into order.

601
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:46,990
We have one item on the agenda.

602
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Um the updated

603
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Riverside Park

604
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,240
skate park funding.

605
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,360
Mr. Williams. Thank you. And I had the

606
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,920
opportunity to meet with Assemblyman

607
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Santabarbara last week. He's very

608
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,480
excited to hear that plans to receive

609
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,080
state funding are still progressing

610
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,640
forward.

611
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,200
I don't know what status the budget is

612
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,440
to date,

613
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,400
but Assemblyman wanted to kind of poll

614
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,960
the council. I know we have a few new

615
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,520
members.

616
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,880
This originally was considered in

617
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,080
December of last year.

618
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,080
And there was activities currently in

619
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,480
place.

620
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Park is not sanctioned, but there are

621
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,800
skateboard activities currently

622
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,840
underway.

623
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,320
I'm so taking it upon ourselves to

624
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,000
identify some funding streams that would

625
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,920
allow us to just renovate that space,

626
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,360
and then bring it up to code. And then

627
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,360
potentially as the city's inaugural

628
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,600
skate park,

629
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,400
was a

630
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,200
point of consideration that not only the

631
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,560
neighborhood association would

632
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,440
recognize and would appreciate, but also

633
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
the skateboarding community.

634
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,320
So, I think at this time, just wanting

635
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,520
to see if there's still that continued

636
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,400
sense of this collaboration with us

637
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080
continuing. I think the last thing

638
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Assemblyman Santabarbara would like to

639
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,000
do is get funding for a project that

640
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,390
nobody wants.

641
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,320
Any questions or concerns?

642
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Mayor.

643
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,520
Do you have any conceptual designs on

644
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,680
this, or what dollar value are we

645
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200
speaking of? We had a capital budget,

646
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,920
and the numbers internally looked at the

647
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,280
existing facility is about 18,000

648
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,000
square feet.

649
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,040
Uh replacing it with what's a concrete

650
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,560
structure,

651
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,560
uh

652
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,240
estimates run like $100, $110 a square

653
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,120
foot. So, that gets you to just under $2

654
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,080
million.

655
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,800
They also talked about

656
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
they want some type of restrooms there.

657
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Do you put them where the

658
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,760
current skateboard park is? The uh

659
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,680
full adaptive reuse of the old pump

660
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,840
station still hasn't happened.

661
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,359
And Stockade Association also has

662
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:03,200
requests in for funding for

663
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,400
a sidewalk replacement program. I don't

664
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,920
know if they are withdrawing that in

665
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,400
favor of this, or they're looking for

666
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
simultaneous funding, cuz the likelihood

667
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,280
of getting

668
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,960
those two projects funded is

669
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,359
realistically slim in any one fiscal

670
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:22,359
year.

671
00:44:22,359 --> 00:44:24,560
Okay, I completely agree. Um I think

672
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,440
it's not limiting ourselves just on just

673
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,520
the interpretations that we have

674
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,760
internally

675
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,200
with respect to just the design specs.

676
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,960
We did have a conversation with one

677
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,400
potential vendor.

678
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,920
I think

679
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,760
most of the agencies that support these

680
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
types of efforts do a design-to-build

681
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,920
component. Uh one of the individuals

682
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,680
was not able to provide us a design

683
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,560
without giving them the like a lot of

684
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,400
fee, which is between $15,000

685
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,520
but was able to secure a tentative

686
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,800
design, and that took into consideration

687
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,000
having a concrete slab report. The

688
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,440
estimates were around $100,000.

689
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Um based on the scale, I think they

690
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,280
projected at 20,000 square feet.

691
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,040
However, their recommendation was if you

692
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,480
build equipment on top of it, um there

693
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,600
are tremendous cost savings, especially

694
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,560
since their facility is able to manage

695
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,720
manufacture it internally. Um and they

696
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,440
were able to provide a scaled approach

697
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,040
of an investment of 100,000 to 300,000.

698
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Um and that was provided to the

699
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,080
neighborhood association and the

700
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,760
skateboarding community not as an

701
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,960
official like design, but just as a way

702
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080
to kind of conceptually move past just

703
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,560
our thoughts to seeing what it could

704
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,280
look like in reality. Um so, I think

705
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Assemblyman Santabarbara

706
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,960
had a consideration for around $300,000.

707
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,040
And one of the final points is in these

708
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,240
projects with municipalities, it is not

709
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,280
a far-fetched to have a scaled approach.

710
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,720
So, they often talked about how these

711
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,000
projects are multi-year and just to get

712
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
the process started. At the present

713
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,240
time,

714
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,040
no skateboarding activities should be

715
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,000
conducted, and there are. So, I think

716
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,080
how do we respect that they do exist and

717
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,520
allow them to function in a manner that

718
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,200
is both safe and accessible. And

719
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,240
truly final point was with uh

720
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,280
considerations to the restrooms, I think

721
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,000
in the interim having a port-a-potty was

722
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,920
something that everyone recognizes

723
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,400
better than people

724
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,000
just using the bathroom out by the

725
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440
trees. Um so, I think as long as we have

726
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,920
something projected down the line, that

727
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,359
the neighborhood association very much

728
00:46:22,359 --> 00:46:24,200
just recognized as long as we don't lose

729
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,120
sight of that in the future, they could

730
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,240
be amenable to just whatever we're able

731
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:36,470
to do with that.

732
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,680
If there's nothing further to discuss,

733
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,120
um Mr. Toro. Thank you, um could we get

734
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,680
a copy of those specs and costs sent to

735
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,920
me for the skateboard people and the I

736
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
would like to see it. I mean, if Mr.

737
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,720
Santabarbara

738
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,040
Angela

739
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,280
So, this is

740
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,240
Santabarbara can get I mean, the full

741
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,160
amount. I mean, you know, and and the

742
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,280
question always was is that really where

743
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,000
we really wanted it? I know during

744
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,080
the ARPA money, we we had a nice space

745
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,640
for them, but they kind of like there,

746
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,440
but so, I think it's a bigger discussion

747
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,720
as well, but I would like to see at

748
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,240
least what someone presented.

749
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:12,080
Right?

750
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,359
Um so, I think

751
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:18,000
part of the consideration was how do we

752
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,560
ensure that we're making the most use of

753
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,880
time. I think in all of my

754
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,120
conversations, I've been very

755
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,680
intentional saying I'm one of seven

756
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,640
votes,

757
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,080
but how do we ensure that we are

758
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,600
being amenable to the fact that we could

759
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,320
get this funding, that we could not. How

760
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,320
do we save time? Because essentially, we

761
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,160
can still use part of the 2026 year

762
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,040
the funding allows it if it

763
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,359
comes into place at the right right

764
00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:42,920
time. Um I can share those with the

765
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,560
council. I think just I move from a

766
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,720
space of just wanting to be very

767
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,359
cognizant of as soon as the city truly

768
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:50,840
touches this,

769
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,320
I think everyone can understand that we

770
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,080
are still liable for anything that

771
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,520
happens within that area, regardless

772
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,103
whether signs are up there or not.

773
00:47:58,103 --> 00:47:58,200
>> [clears throat]

774
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,680
>> Um so, I was trying to be considerate to

775
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,160
Mr. Williams' kind of work volume, but I

776
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,440
can absolutely share those. It's just

777
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,349
nothing official has started.

778
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:10,520
Mr. Abdellatif. Um so, you're looking

779
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,280
for a support a letter of support, or a

780
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,560
total for us to renew last year's

781
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,080
resolution?

782
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Mr. Williams. I don't think that's

783
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,520
necessary as long as the

784
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,120
council in its current form is still

785
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,880
amenable or in agreement [snorts] with

786
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,120
us continuing on.

787
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,720
So, with respect to Ms. Wiggins, Mr.

788
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,040
Chairs, and Mr. Inger, any of this

789
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,520
sounds as though something that you can

790
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,800
see us still proceeding forward with.

791
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Mr. Assemblyman Santabarbara was just

792
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,840
looking to kind of just re-engage with

793
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,710
that. Understood.

794
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,320
Mr. Mayor.

795
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,520
But again, in terms of the city's

796
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,920
priority, we still may need some money.

797
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,040
Had conversations with the state

798
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,200
legislators in terms of finishing some

799
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,520
of the paving and street work adjacent

800
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,280
to the swimming pool, tennis courts, and

801
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,520
greenhouse.

802
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,200
We may also need a little bit more money

803
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,200
to finish the conversion of the

804
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,160
casino

805
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,560
in Central Park, which was

806
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Santabarbara was uh very instrumental in

807
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,040
getting that. And then in this,

808
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,280
again, Stockade Association has reached

809
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,000
out looking for a sidewalk program. So,

810
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,550
I don't know which one

811
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,359
would take priority as opposed to

812
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:36,240
and this is a limited pot of money.

813
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,040
Mr. Chairs. Um folds, Mr. Brown, for

814
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,680
part that Mr. Williams had asked you

815
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,600
already. Just verifying for point

816
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,080
clarification, do we need to do an

817
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,160
actual renewal of the resolution as

818
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,960
>> No. Okay. It can just remain there. I

819
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,560
mean, you don't have to you know you

820
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,240
give it it's there. It probably asked

821
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,520
for that money.

822
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Okay. Just making sure that we're we're

823
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,200
in compliance and doing everything. I

824
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,880
know he's giving respect to himself and

825
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,720
to Ms. Wiggins, but I want to make sure

826
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,280
that if it needs to be done properly.

827
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Well, the the Assemblymember asked the

828
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Council President just to take a the

829
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,680
temperature of the the Council if

830
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,760
there was

831
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,760
if we're not in support of it anymore,

832
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,800
then we would have to rescind it. Um but

833
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,160
if we're if the sense of the Council is to keep

834
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,640
ongoing as it is, then

835
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,840
the Council that resolution is not that

836
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,000
old.

837
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,320
Four or five months old, so.

838
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,160
And

839
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,200
thank you. And uh Mr. Mayor, um just for

840
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,400
that I know we

841
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160
know what this grant is. I What is the

842
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,560
amount that you uh we've estimated for

843
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,840
the sidewalk replacement that they

844
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,160
originally asked for from the Stockade

845
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,720
Association comparable to the 300,000

846
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,080
grant that the Assemblyman is saying you

847
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,120
can get for the skateboard park.

848
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,520
I don't know what the number is for

849
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,560
sidewalks, what they're asking for.

850
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,280
Well, I would say they're probably

851
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,000
asking for all the sidewalks.

852
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,955
There is not enough money for that, so.

853
00:50:54,955 --> 00:50:55,520
[clears throat]

854
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Got you.

855
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:02,510
Thank you.

856
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,760
If there's nothing further to come

857
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,040
before the Health and Recreation

858
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Committee, I ask for a motion to

859
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,360
adjourn. So Second.

860
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,440
All Committee's adjourned.

861
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,400
All in favor. I

862
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,630
Committee's adjourned.

863
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,440
I just want to like to call to the uh

864
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,880
inter-order Committee of Government

865
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Operations.

866
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Seeing one item on the agenda, I'd like

867
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,840
to recognize Council President Carl

868
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Williams.

869
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,360
Thank you. Uh so this is sincerely a

870
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,880
continuation of a conversation that we

871
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,320
heard at I think

872
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,520
two previous Council meetings

873
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,280
uh with an individual, Mr. Sage, coming

874
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,600
up and asking the city to endorse a

875
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,360
project that will be coming through our

876
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,880
municipality.

877
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,800
This taking very intentional

878
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600
vantage point of the Underground

879
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,280
Railroad and how it will cross through a

880
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,240
segment of the city of Schenectady. Uh

881
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,800
this was a two-phased approach, um part

882
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,760
of which started and I believe Central

883
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,120
New York, and the second phase is going

884
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,400
to continue through uh the metropolitan

885
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,680
area and carry forth through Albany,

886
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Schenectady, and out west to connect the

887
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,040
two.

888
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Um

889
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,440
I I have never heard of a byway before,

890
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,640
um but I think if we have any

891
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,440
opportunity to preserve history and

892
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,480
culture, I think in a manner that just

893
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,680
allows us to um further highlight just

894
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,600
uh previous struggles and constantly

895
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,840
that type of just legacy with Harriet

896
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,880
Tubman and the Underground Railroad. I

897
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,840
think it is our the requirement as

898
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,480
municipality to really consider this,

899
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,520
and he's very intentional in saying that

900
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,080
these efforts from municipalities to

901
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,640
endorse this go a very long way. So, I

902
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,240
think they've already had 26

903
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,240
municipalities sign on. Um there's

904
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,080
nothing new, but sincerely our

905
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,160
investment would help

906
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,760
progress these efforts forward.

907
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,320
You've heard the resolution support the

908
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,600
Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad

909
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,600
byway in New York State. Any question?

910
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Thank you. So, I spoke to the gentleman

911
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,160
when he came that evening and

912
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160
steered him over to the library to

913
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,720
visit Harriet and and Mr. Seward.

914
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,400
He didn't know they were there. I did

915
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,960
ask him about I know like um whenever

916
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,080
you along the highway you see um

917
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Eisenhower, it's an Eisenhower highway.

918
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,320
There's a lot of funding that goes out

919
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,200
for it, and he said it would be the same

920
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,000
opportunity here.

921
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,200
Uh you know, there'd be funding and

922
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,800
grants uh to help with whatever needed

923
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,120
to be done. So, yes, thank you

924
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,080
for bringing it forward.

925
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,200
I think he said they acquired half a

926
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,760
million dollars, and I don't think they

927
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,440
have any other needs outside of that,

928
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,760
but very much I think just having the

929
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,390
support from local municipalities helps.

930
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Any other questions?

931
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,000
Seeing none,

932
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,760
do I

933
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,240
have a vote Excuse me, a motion on the

934
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,880
floor to support the Harriet Tubman

935
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,150
Underground Railroad?

936
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,720
Moved. So moved.

937
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,480
It's properly said moved by Councilwoman

938
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Wiggins, properly seconded by Council

939
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,280
President Williams. All those in favor?

940
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,520
I I

941
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Seeing no other items on the agenda, do

942
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,320
I have a motion to adjourn Government

943
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,030
Operations?

944
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,720
Second. All. So moved. It's moved by Councilwoman Williams, seconded

945
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,600
by Councilwoman Wiggins. All those in

946
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,920
favor? I. Government Operations is now

947
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,200
closed at 6:04 p.m.

948
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,160
I'd like to call to order Public Service

949
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,600
and Utilities. Tonight we have a

950
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,960
discussion

951
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,560
uh from Mr. Rowan about the city's MS4

952
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:28,430
program, Mr. Rowan.

953
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,480
Thank you.

954
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,440
Um

955
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,920
I came to you guys last year with an I'm

956
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,560
going to just want to push this button

957
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,520
now.

958
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,480
Sorry. Put this here. Thank you.

959
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Um

960
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,240
So, every year I have to come before you

961
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,320
and we talk about the city's MS4

962
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,000
program. Um the New York State passing

963
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,080
permit

964
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,240
two years ago, so we're in year three of

965
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,840
the new DEC general permit, which puts

966
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,440
requirements on municipalities such as

967
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,960
the city of Schenectady with regards to

968
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,440
stormwater quality review and

969
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,320
inspections. So, this is uh kind of an

970
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,680
annual update to the Council, the Mayor,

971
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,000
and then the city public at large.

972
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,840
Um just so everybody is aware, our MS 4

973
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,720
report, an annual report that's meant to

974
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:09,440
be kept public, it is on the city

975
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,960
website. It is currently on the water

976
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,800
department website, but the water

977
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
department website is probably the not

978
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,480
the correct spot to be. So, I just had a

979
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,680
meeting today with IT, and we're going

980
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,600
to be looking to make a new stormwater

981
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,400
page uh which we'll actually probably be

982
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,880
able to do it this week on the

983
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,440
Department of Engineering's website. So,

984
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,160
we're really trying to get all the

985
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,600
information that is required available

986
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,320
online. We're also going to probably

987
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,040
keep some of that information outside

988
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,760
here at the clerk's office just so

989
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,359
people are aware of illicit discharges

990
00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:42,560
and who they would call and the steps.

991
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Um we you know, we use the SeeClickFix

992
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,720
system. We can still use that, but it's

993
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,520
just getting the message out on how

994
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,280
people would report spills and what

995
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,520
information we have with regards to outfalls. So,

996
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,720
everything's online uh on the city water

997
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,120
department, and then later this week

998
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,320
it's going to be moved to the Department

999
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,600
of Engineering.

1000
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Um the city did have an audit with the

1001
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,400
DEC on March 24th. We haven't been

1002
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,600
audited in several years. The DEC comes

1003
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,680
in person for the day, and they meet

1004
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,280
with city staff,

1005
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,160
uh and they go through our report, and

1006
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,800
they make comments. We have not received

1007
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,800
their comments yet, but I'm anticipating

1008
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,960
them as they're still reviewing them. Um

1009
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,000
and then as part of that comment period,

1010
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,960
they also go with us to our Bureau of

1011
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,240
Service, which is our main area where we

1012
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:28,960
have, you know, our our trucks and

1013
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,680
vehicles, and they do inspections on the

1014
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,200
catch basins and means and methods to

1015
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,680
make sure that we have all of our

1016
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,600
catch basins are clean, our trucks are

1017
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,359
not leaking, things like that, cuz it's

1018
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,160
all about keeping the the work areas

1019
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,640
clean. So, we have we have that going

1020
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,600
on. Um one of the things is we've had a

1021
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,359
lot of construction in the past couple

1022
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:48,800
of years. Right now, we're actually at a

1023
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,920
little bit of a wall. So, anyone that

1024
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,920
disturbs more than an acre has to have a

1025
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,640
stormwater management plan. That plan uh

1026
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,760
usually starts with the planning

1027
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,359
department. That's where, you know,

1028
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,840
projects start. Then engineering reviews

1029
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,160
those plans, and we go through the DEC,

1030
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,960
and we handle the permits for anything

1031
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,200
over an acre. Um right now, we have two

1032
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,640
active. The two active permits we have

1033
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,640
are the YWCA expansion and the Stockade

1034
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,359
on Washington Avenue, and we have a

1035
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,280
storage uh company on Watt Street, which

1036
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,400
we old parking lot that is at the corner

1037
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,080
of Watt across from um

1038
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,080
uh

1039
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,359
an industrial building that's right

1040
00:57:28,359 --> 00:57:29,960
there by the bridge. So, those are the

1041
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,359
two active uh SWIPs that we have going

1042
00:57:32,359 --> 00:57:34,600
on, and the Development Department is

1043
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,800
working right now with GE Vernova on an

1044
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,800
exciting project on campus that will not

1045
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,359
only require one acre, but they're

1046
00:57:40,359 --> 00:57:41,600
looking to do with the Morris Turbines,

1047
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,440
so we're working with them on their

1048
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,040
multi-phase project on the GE campus.

1049
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,480
So, that's what's going on with regards

1050
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,760
to the SWIPs. Um

1051
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,080
Also, we are working with a consultant,

1052
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,359
MJ Engineering, and residents on the

1053
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,359
Hans Groot Kill and College Creek that

1054
00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:59,080
was brought up by Union College about

1055
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,560
water quality

1056
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,640
um in the GE plot on College Creek where

1057
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,720
it's open. Um that project's been going

1058
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,080
on for a little over a year, but it's a

1059
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,760
very intensive project requiring a lot

1060
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,680
of field work. Um we've been working

1061
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,320
with consultants and using in-house

1062
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,840
staff to dye test, smoke, make sure that

1063
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,400
the goal is trying to find any older

1064
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,920
homes that may have tapped into a

1065
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,160
stormwater uh storm water a storm line

1066
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,840
instead of a sanitary line, which

1067
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,000
creates that cross-contamination.

1068
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,080
Uh the city of Schenectady is very

1069
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,000
fortunate that we have two separate

1070
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,680
systems, but a lot of municipalities in

1071
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,120
this uh state do not. They have a single

1072
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,400
system, which is one of the things that

1073
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,160
everyone is trying to eliminate. And

1074
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,240
then lastly, as part of some of our

1075
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,560
requirements, we will be inspecting all

1076
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,400
of our city outfalls. So, the city

1077
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,040
outfalls is is kind of what it sounds

1078
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,720
like. It is where

1079
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,920
um the stormwater meets another body of

1080
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,120
water. It's where it it it it comes out.

1081
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,760
We used to have

1082
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,440
over 75 outfalls, but we went through an

1083
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,760
audit internally working with a

1084
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,080
consultant, and we narrowed it down to

1085
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,480
essentially 35 outfalls cuz we were

1086
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,600
counting outfalls on the same

1087
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,720
stream,

1088
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,840
and we

1089
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,320
you don't need to do that. An outfall is

1090
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,720
at the end of the stream where you have

1091
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,920
it where where it daylights. Um so,

1092
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,880
we're working on that. And then and then

1093
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,800
part of this, too, is really working on

1094
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,520
the mapping component. I'm sure you saw

1095
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,400
up in the news that we're working with a

1096
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,920
group called Civil

1097
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,200
on on pavement management and software.

1098
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,200
Part of the Civil package is working

1099
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,880
with GIS

1100
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,120
uh and the mayor's team with Matt

1101
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Douglass, and we are looking to um as

1102
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,000
part of the Civil package, uh what

1103
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,040
they'll be doing is not only collecting

1104
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,440
um data for the road conditions, but

1105
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,200
we're allowed two assets a year as part

1106
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,240
of that program. The two assets that we

1107
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,040
selected this year are curb ramps, which

1108
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,680
are required by the state for ADA

1109
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,920
compliance, and then we also selected

1110
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,960
catch basins. So, at the end of our

1111
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,440
civil audit, which Steve is working on

1112
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,681
this week, if you were ready, he's going

1113
00:59:54,681 --> 00:59:55,680
[clears throat] to be driving. They're

1114
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,800
going to uh process all the data, and

1115
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,720
we're going to get geo locations of all

1116
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,360
the catch basins in the city, which

1117
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,280
we're then going to collocate with some

1118
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,560
of the existing information we have to

1119
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,680
try to start building a 3D map of the

1120
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,160
stormwater system, which is actually

1121
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,520
part of what they want to see. They want

1122
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,720
to see that you know

1123
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,800
uh if you pour something into a catch

1124
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,720
basin, exactly where that water is going

1125
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,880
to go, and vice versa, if we go to an

1126
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,120
outfall, and we see a white or red or

1127
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,160
some kind of a shiny liquid, that we can

1128
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,800
actually trace that back and find the

1129
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,360
source. That's part of what the program

1130
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,000
is.

1131
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
So, um a lot of progress that we're

1132
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,720
making. Uh also in the budget is an MS4

1133
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,200
officer. Uh that's something that I've

1134
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,960
been working with Paul on, working with

1135
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,520
civil service trying to bring someone on

1136
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,720
to handle this because there's other uh

1137
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,360
paperwork items and things working with

1138
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,520
uh one of the things we have to do is

1139
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,000
document all treatment basins, and and

1140
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
that that's another thing that we're

1141
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,560
hoping to do via mapping so that we know

1142
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,600
where they are. You know, there's

1143
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,160
underground units, there's private

1144
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,480
units. We really have to make sure that

1145
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,160
they are being maintained and kept in

1146
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,000
working order. Um and that's a new

1147
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,240
requirement that we're going to start

1148
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,680
working on as well.

1149
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:03,680
So,

1150
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,240
that is my update as uh as we're kind of

1151
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,720
like I said, and as required. If anybody

1152
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,440
has any questions, I'll be more than

1153
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:10,960
happy to answer them.

1154
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,720
Mr. Williams. Um

1155
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,120
thank you for that uh

1156
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,680
briefing. I think my one question is

1157
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,880
actually around the civil package. Uh I

1158
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,440
was trying to recall, Mr. Williams, I

1159
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,320
don't know if you can help me on Was

1160
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,040
there any financial considerations that

1161
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,720
came before the council for that, or not

1162
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,600
needed at this time?

1163
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,800
No. No, this the about the the civil

1164
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,320
package we paid for with our fees for

1165
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,840
service lines, and through um some of

1166
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,320
our existing codes because the platform

1167
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,200
actually crosses so many departments

1168
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,760
that we were able to use uh fee for

1169
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,200
service lines that were in budget. It

1170
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,000
was uh not uh an exorbitantly expensive

1171
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,440
program. It was

1172
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,280
Thank you.

1173
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:53,320
Uh Mr. Chaires. For the MS4 officer that you were saying you need, um do we

1174
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,640
have a financial a financial number that

1175
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:56,840
goes with that, any kind of Oh, it's in

1176
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,640
the budget. Okay. It is a position that

1177
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,080
is budgeted, but we are working with um

1178
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,720
civil service right now because what we

1179
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,960
need to do is change the job

1180
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,320
description. The position used to be a

1181
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,360
little bit of a lower level uh like an

1182
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,480
assistant engineer type position, but we

1183
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,160
really want to do is make sure that it's

1184
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,160
written that the MS4 officer is the one

1185
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,760
that is responsible for the program, and

1186
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,080
is not someone that just is responsible

1187
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,560
for the program to me. I want really to

1188
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,120
make sure that the person uh knows that

1189
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,320
this is their program, that they are

1190
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,920
They're not an an assistant. So, there's

1191
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,320
a lot of little language in there that

1192
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,280
if you've ever read a job description

1193
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,760
that says something like shall assist or

1194
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,280
shall hire, it's it's We're trying to

1195
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,080
make it so when we hire someone, we can

1196
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,480
say that

1197
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,360
this is, you know,

1198
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,000
this is this is your primary focus to

1199
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,680
make sure And we have consultants that

1200
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880
we work with uh to help. So, we're not

1201
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,160
going to be putting somebody out there

1202
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,240
just, you know, like a babe in the

1203
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,040
woods. It's going to be something that,

1204
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:51,840
you know, we're we're going to give

1205
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,200
people resources to succeed.

1206
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,040
Um

1207
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,680
but I I just want to make sure that this

1208
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,240
is not a position that's solely written

1209
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,120
to be someone to help me, and then

1210
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,400
everything solely falls back to me.

1211
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,760
Mr. Thanks.

1212
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,120
Mr. Williams.

1213
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,680
What was being done before this grant

1214
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,920
came about?

1215
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,160
How was y'all conducting the data?

1216
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,480
Grant. Before before the MSG this whole

1217
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,040
thing that y'all doing, how was y'all

1218
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,920
keeping up with all of this stuff before

1219
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:18,360
that?

1220
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,840
>> So, we the MS4 program was always out.

1221
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640
It was always MS4s, excuse me. No, it

1222
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,080
was always it was always something that

1223
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,880
was out there, but this new permit that

1224
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,960
came out in 2024, they'd been working on

1225
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,400
it for a decade. So, what essentially

1226
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,440
what was happening was this all the

1227
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,000
municipalities DEC In a perfect world,

1228
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,880
the DEC would be fully staffed to

1229
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,440
100,000 people, and they'd be able to

1230
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,880
handle all these things on behalf of New

1231
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,680
York State. That's not what happened.

1232
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,680
So, what they started to do is push some

1233
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,280
of those responsibilities down on the

1234
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,440
municipalities. So, municipalities such

1235
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,840
as Schenectady became MS4s, designated,

1236
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,840
and it's our jobs to do essentially that

1237
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:56,960
effective rates. They passed

1238
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,359
legislation, we have to enforce

1239
01:03:58,359 --> 01:04:00,720
legislation. With the new permit, they

1240
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,200
even pushed it even farther to say,

1241
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,240
"Okay, you approved uh for example, um

1242
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,320
we'll just use like a a Home Depot. Go

1243
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,280
to the Home Depot over on the Crosstown,

1244
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,400
and you'll go in, and they'll have like

1245
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,960
a retention basin. You'll see like a wet

1246
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,280
area, right? That retains all the

1247
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,200
stormwater from the parking lot.

1248
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,400
Under the old, it's your retention

1249
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,880
basin, you know? And now under this,

1250
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,680
it's the city has to go and inspect that

1251
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,000
retention basin to make sure it's

1252
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,600
working properly. We have to make sure

1253
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,040
that if a city uh if if the Galesi

1254
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,760
Group, they have a vortex unit, which is

1255
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,040
called it's a giant underground

1256
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,200
in the ground. We have to go and make

1257
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,600
sure that that's been inspected and get

1258
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,560
records of that. They're pushing more

1259
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,280
requirements down. So, we used to do

1260
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,840
these things specifically just centered

1261
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,640
around development of this more than an

1262
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,160
acre, but now it's even more active.

1263
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:44,720
It's "Okay,

1264
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,280
you did that, but now that they've moved

1265
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,200
on, now you're still responsible for it.

1266
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,600
You have to make sure that they're still

1267
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,320
responsible for it." So, it's just it's more essentially unfunded mandates

1268
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,520
on the municipalities, which is why that

1269
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,680
position is now needed is because it's

1270
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,400
going to be annual letters, it's going

1271
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,240
to be annual inspections and things to

1272
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,840
really ramp up to make sure that uh that

1273
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,160
we're there. And, you know, in the

1274
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,960
suburban areas, they have more of this

1275
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,280
because they have more new developments,

1276
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,680
they have more new treatments. We don't

1277
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,680
have a lot of these type of treatments

1278
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,080
in the city, but we do have some. And

1279
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,480
so, that's part of the mapping is going

1280
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,800
to be to make sure we map where they

1281
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,520
are, and then come up with a a a

1282
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,520
strategy of how we're going to document

1283
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,760
that the people are cleaning them, and

1284
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,160
then they're in in working order. And

1285
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,560
then we have to do that as per the

1286
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,600
report. And that section of the report

1287
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,520
it says

1288
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,560
uh if you were to look through it

1289
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,000
online,

1290
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,080
it has all these first-year mandates,

1291
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,440
second-year mandates, third, fourth,

1292
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,120
fifth years, and and how you build your

1293
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,480
program. So, by the fifth year, you

1294
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,480
should have it all built out.

1295
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Thanks, Mr. Williams. Questions, Mr.

1296
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Williams? Yeah. Um you mentioned uh

1297
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,920
paying uh all through the fees for

1298
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,520
service. How much are you paying on

1299
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,920
civil on civil things to do this pothole

1300
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,800
program? The civil pothole program? It's

1301
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,440
uh approximately $20,000. $20,000. So,

1302
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,760
you mentioned uh

1303
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,000
it's a pothole project, but they're

1304
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,600
focusing on uh curb

1305
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,280
and the What is it? Drainage? The man No.

1306
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Okay. So, I'll I'll give you a You want

1307
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,160
to talk about civil for this one second?

1308
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:15,000
Okay. So, what civil is is civil is a

1309
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,720
essentially it's Google Street View for,

1310
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,200
you know, layman's terms. It's it's a

1311
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,800
Google Street View device with a lidar

1312
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,920
component, and lidar means uh it's

1313
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,200
essentially a survey device. So, um

1314
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,359
5 years ago, 10 years ago, a surveyor

1315
01:06:28,359 --> 01:06:30,240
would hold the device and have a laser

1316
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,960
and would shoot a point. All right? So,

1317
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,600
the point was from here to that point,

1318
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,520
and you would know the coordinates of

1319
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,520
that point. A lidar unit uses GI GPS,

1320
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,040
and it always knows where that component

1321
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,560
is because it's using satellites, all

1322
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,520
right? And then the component on top of

1323
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,720
the car, it spins.

1324
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,160
And as [clears throat] it spins, it's

1325
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,920
shooting out these lasers in a pattern,

1326
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,000
a huge pattern. So, as it's driving,

1327
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,120
it's actually sending out millions of

1328
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,160
points all around, and it's mapping the

1329
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,280
city.

1330
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,520
So,

1331
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,680
we're going to drive all 171 miles of

1332
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:01,600
the city, and we're going to take

1333
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,000
photographs, and those photographs are

1334
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,960
going to be with them with the laser

1335
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,280
group, all right? And we're going to get

1336
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,960
that back. Now, civil's main bread and

1337
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,320
butter component is that they focus on

1338
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,720
the ground. The data on the ground

1339
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,200
correlates with the cameras, and it uses

1340
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,760
AI to say, "That road looks like it has

1341
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,280
cracks. That data that is there looks

1342
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,760
like Yes, this is cracks. I can see a

1343
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,040
pothole is deeper than a normal." And it

1344
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,400
uses that, and it actually will make a

1345
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,920
color chart on the roadways of um

1346
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,960
distress. So, you'll be able to see the

1347
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,400
distress of the roadways. So, that is

1348
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,440
civil's bread and butter product. That

1349
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,080
is the base product. But, as a company

1350
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,680
that's also trying to make money, they

1351
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,880
came out and said, "Well, if we're

1352
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,840
shooting every point in the city, what

1353
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,400
else can we sell municipalities?" So, as

1354
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,400
part of that, they also allow you as a

1355
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,800
base package, and we're just getting the

1356
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,200
base package here, they allow you two

1357
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,280
assets a year.

1358
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,840
So, we have assets. An asset could be a

1359
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,359
fire hydrant, a sign, a tree, a manhole,

1360
01:08:02,359 --> 01:08:04,480
a water valve, a curb. So, they have a

1361
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,040
whole list. It looks like a menu of

1362
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,359
anything that you can see that you can

1363
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:09,000
shoot with these lasers.

1364
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,800
Um so, we decided, like I talked about

1365
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,440
earlier, that really for

1366
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,040
criticalness right now is ADA because

1367
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,040
the CHIPS program relies on ADA. We have

1368
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,839
to update ramps and keep a collection of

1369
01:08:20,839 --> 01:08:22,319
them. That's part of the principle. That

1370
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:23,680
changed about 10 years ago, if y'all

1371
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,600
remember. Our paving dollars don't go as

1372
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,080
far anymore because now we have to do

1373
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,000
ramps. 10 years ago, we didn't have to

1374
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,640
do ramps, so our paving dollars went

1375
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,640
farther.

1376
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,799
And then, it was the catch basins. The

1377
01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:35,520
catch basins just so that we have our

1378
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,560
map so that we can put that as a check

1379
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,040
mark towards the MS4 program. Next year,

1380
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,880
with those two baseline checks, we're

1381
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,240
looking to do um right now, I think

1382
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,160
we're looking to do fire hydrants

1383
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,160
and street signs.

1384
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,040
So, then that will have uh an idea of

1385
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,240
where all the fire hydrants are in the

1386
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,040
city, and then our condition of the

1387
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,319
street signs so we can do that. And

1388
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,280
everything then goes onto a map. And

1389
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:58,160
that's where we're talking. We're

1390
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,000
working then with another consultant

1391
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,400
who's trying to build out our GIS

1392
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,880
platform, and we're going to have

1393
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,520
hopefully a public-facing one that the

1394
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,960
public can see, and a work-site one that

1395
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,880
city employees can see to use for their

1396
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,440
daily work.

1397
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,000
Um and that's kind of what civil is

1398
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,520
doing. Um

1399
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,719
I'm very excited about it because right

1400
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,560
now, the older way to do it, which we

1401
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,240
used to do for pavement assessment, was

1402
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,560
every 2 years, 3 years, someone would

1403
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,000
drive the city, and you would we would

1404
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,040
hire them, and they would look, and they

1405
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,440
would say, "We think this road is a

1406
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:29,799
condition A." It's a zero to 10 system.

1407
01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:31,640
It's not really rocket science, but

1408
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,000
that's a That's how the system would

1409
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,640
work. And then you get graded on and we

1410
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,080
get a map and that's what we used to do.

1411
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,920
This system is going to be much more

1412
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,240
advanced than that. Also, we're allowed

1413
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,839
to drive the city as many times as we

1414
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,920
want. Now,

1415
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,040
you don't really need to drive it that

1416
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,279
much. So, what we're going to be doing

1417
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:48,520
is we're working with them and we're

1418
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,040
driving it now

1419
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,880
pre-paving. And we're going to get our

1420
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,080
baseline condition pre-paving. Then

1421
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,840
we're going to pave our roads with what

1422
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,800
we're talking about next. And then after

1423
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,480
we pave our roads in November before the

1424
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:01,520
snow comes, we're going to scan it again

1425
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,120
and we're going to use that information

1426
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,120
to pull together where our program is.

1427
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,880
And then we're going to work with Mike

1428
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,480
Serone, Chris Lunn, and OGS and we're

1429
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,160
going to track where potholes are being

1430
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,320
filled. We're going to plug that data

1431
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,320
into the AI and then we're going to use

1432
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,080
that to hopefully be able to [music]

1433
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,680
predict where the next roads are going

1434
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,880
to be that fail because we're using AI

1435
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,760
generated software.

1436
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,720
So,

1437
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,600
that's what I know now and I haven't

1438
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,000
even used the program yet. So, come to

1439
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,400
me in a year and I'll probably know a

1440
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,120
lot more. We're going to be working with

1441
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,360
them for a couple of years to really

1442
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,840
build this out.

1443
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,360
But, it's going to be a lot more

1444
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,960
transparent. You're going to be able to

1445
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,080
have a lot more information available.

1446
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,800
But, this this uh this

1447
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,720
So, this um

1448
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,840
this project will not include potholes

1449
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,000
this year

1450
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,440
and next year. This will what?

1451
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:50,600
>> This will not include include potholes

1452
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,320
this year. Well, never Oh, go ahead.

1453
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,400
Potholes is is a wrong Yeah, that's the whole concept.

1454
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,120
>> a pavement management system. With the

1455
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,200
whole idea is to prevent potholes. Okay.

1456
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,320
So, they should be better identifying

1457
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,080
where the pavement's going to fail

1458
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,840
and staying ahead of it in terms of the

1459
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,360
paving program or other than that

1460
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,600
maintenance techniques we can use. You mentioned base level. That's what

1461
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,320
we're paying $20,000. What what what's

1462
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,120
the cost for the next level

1463
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,760
if we can expand this project? Oh, so

1464
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,480
the base level means that you get all

1465
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,200
the data and then the two assets. So, as

1466
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,800
you go up you can buy 10 assets, but

1467
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,440
they charge you somewhere around $2,000

1468
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,280
somewhere more an asset. But, we didn't

1469
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,080
need the assets at this point. We really

1470
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,840
just want the paving data, which is

1471
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,720
included in the base. So, it's They're

1472
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,760
like add-ons. And you know, the other you know, powerful feature

1473
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,600
this has is you know, it it uses a query

1474
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,640
tool. So, you can put in there that you

1475
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,120
know, I want every road that shows this

1476
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,080
much percent of alligator cracking

1477
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,200
highlighted with a list and you can run

1478
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,960
reports and it'll actually give you

1479
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,240
written reports using uh the database so

1480
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,680
that we can see. Um I know it's I I I'm

1481
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,160
very excited to use it. Um but, I I I

1482
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,440
don't have it yet. I I don't think this

1483
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:07,800
is something that anybody should think

1484
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,520
is um you know, a waste of any type of money. I think

1485
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,160
this is one of the most exciting

1486
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,800
projects and programs I'm going to use

1487
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,160
and I think it's really going to help me

1488
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,400
because when people ask, "How did you

1489
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,600
select the road?" We're using our data

1490
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,800
at hand now and Mike Serone and people

1491
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,520
in the field. But, this is going to give

1492
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,320
us analytical software. We're going to

1493
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:27,640
be able to tell how we're doing on our

1494
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,720
roads and how our programs are going and we're going to be able to keep

1495
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,800
histories of what we're doing easier

1496
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,440
than we do now. I think it's going to be

1497
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:36,280
fantastic for everybody. Yeah.

1498
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,240
We would have spent more in past years

1499
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,280
sending somebody out of payroll dollars

1500
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,680
to do the evaluation, put a numeric

1501
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,480
value on it, have to key it in, and then

1502
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,480
do a less sophisticated analysis than

1503
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,400
what this is going to provide us.

1504
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,760
>> 100%. No, there's a reason why I asked if you go

1505
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,440
to the next level, you know, keep adding

1506
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,280
on as you as you as you go through the

1507
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,520
program in this year and if you want to

1508
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,200
expand, you should

1509
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,520
you know, if it's beneficial keep

1510
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:09,400
expanding. It gets going to sort of the the true purpose of helping us with

1511
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,960
managing our our streets.

1512
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,880
Yeah, I mean um

1513
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,960
I American can attest to one with the

1514
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,240
police department and GIS. We you know,

1515
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,760
the department of engineering has not

1516
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,120
scratched the surface of what we can do

1517
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,320
with GIS and the more we can, the better

1518
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,280
it's going to help everyone. Um and this

1519
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,080
is our really our our jump into the GIS

1520
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,640
uh for A. So, hopefully you know, we're

1521
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,840
lucky to have Matt here uh now at city

1522
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,560
hall because he's really an expert at

1523
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,560
it. Um so, I'm I'm looking forward to

1524
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,120
it.

1525
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,160
It's really good.

1526
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,560
Um Mr. Waller, could you help me

1527
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,200
understand why in November we paved the

1528
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,880
roads and we got to go through winter

1529
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,120
with the salt and uh and um plowing and

1530
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,680
all of that and then comes spring and um

1531
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,320
come the spring times, we have back to

1532
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,520
the potholes. I mean, I don't understand

1533
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,680
that. Could you help me understand that?

1534
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,200
So, we don't we we have a set route.

1535
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,800
Usually we pave try to do it by November

1536
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,440
15th. So, the paving season usually is

1537
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,600
April 15th to November 15th and we track

1538
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,960
what we're doing. So, right now we have

1539
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,480
a very rudimentary GIS database that you

1540
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:15,000
can go on. If you go on the department

1541
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,240
of engineering website, you can see

1542
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,200
everywhere that we've paved in the last

1543
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,000
15 years. We don't pave a road twice

1544
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,440
within a year. We actually because of

1545
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:24,200
bond law and everything,

1546
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,480
um it's every 10 years you're only

1547
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,320
allowed to pave a road every 10 years.

1548
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,160
So, we really have to try to stretch it

1549
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,680
because if you're going to use capital

1550
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,400
uh borrowed money, that's that's the

1551
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:33,640
rule for it. It goes the same with

1552
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,760
federal aid projects. So, we really have

1553
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,560
to track it so that we can see where

1554
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,520
we're going. But, the potholes usually

1555
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,440
99% of the time we're not paving a road

1556
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:44,080
and then filling potholes on that same

1557
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,680
road in that period. And the asphalt is

1558
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,200
not susceptible to salt. We do have

1559
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,120
issues with sometimes with concrete

1560
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,800
where we put down a concrete sidewalk or

1561
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,120
a ramp and then that property owner

1562
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,800
would salt it and we have an issue with

1563
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,760
that. But, have you seen areas where

1564
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,960
we've paved a road and then it's been

1565
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,920
Yes. Yes. Well, if you would let me know

1566
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,680
those areas, we keep 10% 5% of these

1567
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,000
projects for retainage to fix areas like

1568
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,200
that. Um so, we're holding that for last

1569
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,200
year's program. So, if anyone ever has

1570
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,080
areas that you think the you know, the

1571
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,240
workmanship hasn't held up like it

1572
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,640
should be, that's why we hold that 5%.

1573
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,200
And 5% might not sound like a lot of

1574
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,800
money. It's a multi-million dollar

1575
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,600
project. So, the number is usually

1576
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,600
around a quarter of a million dollars

1577
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,240
that we hold for up to a year to make

1578
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,560
sure that their work uh meets it. We did

1579
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,360
have uh some issues in some of those

1580
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,800
spots with like crack seal uh and we're

1581
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:37,760
working with that company now. They're

1582
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,440
coming back in the spring to fix that.

1583
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,000
Crack seal is kind of a finicky. So, uh

1584
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,320
usually asphalt we don't have that

1585
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,080
issue. Uh the other problem that we do

1586
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,560
have with asphalt just so everyone's

1587
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,000
aware is

1588
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,600
to try to keep up for the demands of the

1589
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,000
city, we are no longer doing full

1590
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,480
reconstruction.

1591
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,000
So, a full reconstruction would mean you

1592
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,320
go down 6 in.

1593
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,040
You hit the base. You make sure We're

1594
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,560
doing a lot of 2-in mill, 2-in

1595
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,640
replacement and the rule of thumb is for

1596
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,200
every inch you put on top, it's a year

1597
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,720
for the cracks to mitigate through. So,

1598
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,400
that's why the crack sealing program is

1599
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,560
important is that we really want to get

1600
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,240
a good wearing surface and then once the

1601
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:15,720
cracks come in, we want to address the

1602
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:16,960
cracks.

1603
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:17,640
Um

1604
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,800
So, I don't know if that answered your

1605
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:19,880
question. If you ever find something

1606
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,360
that we paved and then it started to

1607
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,950
deteriorate, please let me know.

1608
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,400
Anyone else? Any other questions?

1609
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:28,600
Oh. Oh.

1610
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,840
Uh thank you, Mr. Waller.

1611
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,120
Very

1612
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,160
informative this evening.

1613
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,600
Um I see a lot of people when they're

1614
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,040
pushing their knees down the catch

1615
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,560
basins. I usually stop and yell at them.

1616
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,560
Uh uh just because I'm I'm putting them

1617
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,600
out here in the city and then there's

1618
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,160
the backup

1619
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,880
>> Keeping them clean is is very important

1620
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,560
as well. Right.

1621
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:48,800
Um

1622
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,720
seeing no other questions, uh

1623
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,520
I'd like to close out

1624
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,280
public service and utilities. So

1625
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,400
Second.

1626
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,680
All in favor? Aye. Thank you.

1627
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,960
So, I'd like to call to order

1628
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,360
city development and planning. We have

1629
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,960
eight items for discussion tonight.

1630
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,240
First of which is the award bid contract

1631
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,920
for the Jay Street connector to Carver

1632
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,920
Construction Inc. in the total amount of

1633
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,190
$3,874,174.

1634
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,720
Mr. Waller. Thank you.

1635
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,600
Um this is a long time coming project,

1636
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:18,680
probably one of the most exciting

1637
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,720
projects uh in a long time in downtown.

1638
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,480
Um it was the um cornerstone of the

1639
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,920
city's DRI announcement years ago.

1640
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,520
Um if you were there at the the big

1641
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,800
black box when uh Governor Cuomo's sign

1642
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:31,800
was there,

1643
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,720
um this is to connect essentially city

1644
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,320
hall and Little Italy to the Mohawk

1645
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:36,840
Harbor area

1646
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,360
uh on a new Jay Street connector. Um the

1647
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,840
connector will run between the car wash

1648
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,600
and the Union College athletic fields

1649
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,560
and college campus.

1650
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,720
Um we have our agreements with Union

1651
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,320
College. We um have our environmental

1652
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,680
done with the DEC and then we bid the

1653
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,240
project. We did the seeker if you

1654
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,760
recall. Mhm. So, we put it out. Uh we

1655
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,960
had I think four bids. The bids were

1656
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:02,640
varied um but, we did get a low bid

1657
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,520
within the estimate from Carver at $3.8

1658
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:05,960
million.

1659
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,560
I will pass this out. I

1660
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,520
meant to include, but it was not but I

1661
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,960
did not want the paperwork to go.

1662
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,040
Um this is a bid analysis and

1663
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,680
recommendation. I will forward it to the

1664
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,080
clerk's office for inclusion in the next

1665
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,640
packet just to make sure it's available

1666
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,400
publicly. But, what this is is it's the

1667
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,640
just a recommendation that states that

1668
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,080
they they went through the bid and the

1669
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,719
items were um

1670
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:35,840
were within line. The big uh variance if

1671
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,440
you were to look was the environmental.

1672
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:41,760
Um we worked with and Metroplex and the

1673
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,120
DEC on this site. But, a couple of firms

1674
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,280
they had been

1675
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,200
in questions about the environmental so

1676
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:50,719
they put some big numbers there to cover

1677
01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:52,760
themselves, whereas Carver we've done a

1678
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,480
lot of work with the city and Metroplex.

1679
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:58,320
We believe they put in a more

1680
01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:59,280
um

1681
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,840
streamlined bid understanding that we

1682
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,200
have taken care of the environmental

1683
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,529
risks associated with the project. Um

1684
01:19:05,529 --> 01:19:07,520
[snorts] so, this is it. We're looking

1685
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,600
to start as soon as possible. We're

1686
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,880
hoping this project can get done by

1687
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,240
November because it is a very unique

1688
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,960
project where essentially it is a

1689
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,800
sandbox. They will be not working in

1690
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,480
traffic for 80% of the project. They

1691
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:21,760
will As you know, the road is closed so

1692
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,520
that they can work and build most of the

1693
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,160
roadway um without any interference from

1694
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,760
the public. And then the last 20% of the

1695
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,800
roadway um will be only affecting Union

1696
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,760
College and the car wash, and we have

1697
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,440
plans to then communicate that to all.

1698
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:36,960
So, we're hoping for a quick turnaround

1699
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,000
on this.

1700
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,400
Thank you. Questions or comments?

1701
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,000
Mr. Whalen. Thank you.

1702
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,920
Excuse me, thank you. Um as far as did

1703
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,160
Is it decided that the walking part of

1704
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:48,880
um

1705
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,840
Roger Hull Place would now be closed

1706
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,080
off? Is that part of this?

1707
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,840
So, part of the real estate uh

1708
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,480
transaction was that Union College would

1709
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:59,600
be transferred that property. However,

1710
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,280
Union College has not shown or proposed

1711
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:03,960
anything that closes that road at this

1712
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,840
time. It's not to say that they cannot

1713
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,840
in the future, but at this time they

1714
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,480
have not. So, it it's not a when this

1715
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,000
opens, that road closes. You know, they

1716
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,680
have a new president on board. They're

1717
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:15,960
going through, and I haven't heard

1718
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,640
anything about them officially closing

1719
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,800
Roger Hull at this time. Have you? Have

1720
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:19,760
you?

1721
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,040
No. Thank you.

1722
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,840
Any other questions? Mr. Whalen. Mr.

1723
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,440
Whalen, um this bid came in 6.5% below

1724
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:29,400
the engineer's estimate.

1725
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,200
Is that a concern? No.

1726
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,760
I I have I don't have any concerns with

1727
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,080
it. Um one of the reasons being is that

1728
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,600
when they do

1729
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,560
We have a couple of projects that

1730
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,080
usually go like this. Usually

1731
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,200
our numbers are usually 10% lower than

1732
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,840
the engineer's estimate. The reason

1733
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,360
being is engineer's estimates are based

1734
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,960
off of the New York State contract

1735
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,240
averages.

1736
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,800
Um that's how engineers at this level

1737
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,040
will estimate projects. So, that average

1738
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,080
is an actual statewide average. So, it's

1739
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,760
not only the Albany area, but it's

1740
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,960
Dutchess County, Orange County, Buffalo.

1741
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,640
And the prices tend to be a little

1742
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,280
inflated. Um so, that's where we have to

1743
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,240
kind of put in We had a project not

1744
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:12,880
similar to this in size, but it was a

1745
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,160
drainage project over on the north side

1746
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,840
of the city, Wyoming Lancaster. And the

1747
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,680
estimate came in at $800,000. And I said

1748
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,680
it's a $500,000 project. And they said,

1749
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,360
"Well, our number says $800,000." I

1750
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,320
said, "Well, your numbers are not

1751
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,400
correct. It's a $500,000 project." We

1752
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,880
went out to bid, it came in at $475,000.

1753
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,040
But it's just it's just

1754
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,560
DOT numbers are high. Over the last

1755
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,680
couple of years, how do you see your the

1756
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,400
change orders

1757
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,760
over the last couple of years? Okay.

1758
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,040
Have you seen a lot of change orders

1759
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,360
being requested or it's

1760
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,960
>> No. I mean, change orders are solely by

1761
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,520
would be solely by myself or or you

1762
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:49,440
know, if there's something were to come

1763
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:50,880
up. We don't do a ton of change orders

1764
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,760
on the paving program. Um a program like

1765
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,120
this um

1766
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,200
change orders would be usually only for

1767
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,000
something if you encounter in the ground

1768
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,160
that was unforeseen.

1769
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,760
But this project scope is pretty narrow

1770
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,240
and and tight. There's not really much

1771
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,360
that you can actually change. So, it

1772
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,400
would have to be something that was

1773
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,000
unforeseen.

1774
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,440
Okay. Thank you.

1775
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,600
Hearing no other questions or comments,

1776
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,600
is there a motion? So moved. Second.

1777
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,880
All those in favor? Aye.

1778
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,480
The next item is the award bidding

1779
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,280
contract for the crack sealing of city

1780
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:23,840
streets through

1781
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,080
2026 to City Mark Striping LLC in the

1782
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,000
amount of $183,750.

1783
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,240
Mr. Whalen.

1784
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,080
Uh this is our annual maintenance crack

1785
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,720
sealing program. Um

1786
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,120
we do this every year. It's the first

1787
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,160
line of defense against roadway

1788
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,720
deterioration.

1789
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:40,840
Um the list

1790
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:45,240
uh we had several people come out. The winning low bid was the group that

1791
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,640
we used last year, uh City Mark. We had

1792
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,200
no issues with City Mark uh

1793
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,000
on the project, and we have no reason

1794
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,040
not to recommend them.

1795
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,880
Thank you. Any questions or comments?

1796
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:56,680
Mr. Whalen.

1797
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,760
>> you mentioned we have used them before

1798
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,760
in the year last year. No. Was it Was it

1799
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,000
the first year that you used them last

1800
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,000
year? Last year was the first year we

1801
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,760
used this group. Okay. Um yes.

1802
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,400
Thank you.

1803
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,920
Hearing no other questions or comments,

1804
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,680
may I have a motion? So moved. Second.

1805
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,280
All those in favor? Aye.

1806
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,520
The next item is the award bidding

1807
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,600
contract for the 2026 City Chip Paving

1808
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,800
Program to Callanan Industries Inc. in

1809
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,430
the amount of $3,146,809.90.

1810
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,720
Mr. Whalen. Okay. This is our annual

1811
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,480
chip paving program. This program is

1812
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:30,240
solely paid through the Consolidated

1813
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,240
Highway Improvement Program. That's what

1814
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,000
the CHIPS acronym is.

1815
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,040
Um

1816
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:36,760
I wanted to award this last week.

1817
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,640
Typically, we have this awarded, but it

1818
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,320
is uh dependent on the state budget. Uh

1819
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,800
I did speak with um the mayor we're

1820
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,680
moving forward with just to talk about

1821
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,720
We want to move this forward. Uh this is

1822
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,320
not a signing of a contract, but we

1823
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,640
really need to get The bid came in 30

1824
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,560
days ago. We want to have this on the

1825
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,680
in in process because we're already a

1826
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,040
little bit behind. Like I said, we like

1827
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,040
to usually pave from April 15th to

1828
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,840
November. And um I'm hoping that the

1829
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,920
state budget gets passed uh as soon as

1830
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,560
possible because this is relying on

1831
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,800
state funding. From all uh the DOT

1832
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,160
sources that I have talked with, they

1833
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,440
have not heard about any cuts. This

1834
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,600
funding amount This does not anticipate

1835
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,360
any increases. This is if everything

1836
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,520
stayed at its current level.

1837
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,400
Thank you. Um would that be a more

1838
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:23,840
appropriate question for finance just

1839
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,320
any stipulations with us doing that

1840
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,840
ahead of the budget? I know you said

1841
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,520
that there are no impeding changes. Um

1842
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:31,723
it seems as though we're hedging

1843
01:24:31,723 --> 01:24:31,760
>> [clears throat]

1844
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,550
>> God forbid something happen.

1845
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,120
Hopefully, you'll move it ahead tonight.

1846
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,400
Get approval a week from tonight.

1847
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,160
Uh that's still subject to the final

1848
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,880
adoption of the state budget. So,

1849
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,120
they keep saying all the way who knows

1850
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,880
adopted. They've been doing extenders.

1851
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,320
Uh but this doesn't seem to be any point

1852
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,360
of contention. So,

1853
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,920
comfortable moving ahead with these

1854
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,280
numbers.

1855
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,070
And

1856
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,400
I just asked the council at this point

1857
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,040
to support it.

1858
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,720
Um Mr. President, you Uh Mr. Whalen,

1859
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,640
you're concerned about You want to award

1860
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,240
this because then you want these prices

1861
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,800
locked in at this rate at this point

1862
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,840
because it was put out to bid

1863
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,760
and open for over a month now. Correct.

1864
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,440
And I did speak with our purchasing

1865
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,320
director. It is possible that I could

1866
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,120
get a letter asking them to hold their

1867
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:27,640
pricing, which most likely they will

1868
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,560
because they want to work with the city.

1869
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:30,200
Um

1870
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,960
However, it also sets us back um with

1871
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,680
time, which I'm really not I'm I'm

1872
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,200
trying to buy any week we can to move

1873
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,560
forward.

1874
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,080
Thank you. Any other questions or

1875
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,280
comments?

1876
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,320
I'll move this. Second. Second. All

1877
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,880
those in favor? Aye.

1878
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,440
And last item for the Mr. Whalen, award

1879
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:49,760
bidding contract for the city police

1880
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,880
department generator replacement to S.W.

1881
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,520
Burke Electric LLC in the amount of

1882
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,120
$339,000.

1883
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,840
Thank you. Um as stated, our our police

1884
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,680
department has

1885
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,760
two generators, uh one functioning, one

1886
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,600
uh original to the building that is in

1887
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,000
place. They're both located in the

1888
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,640
basement. Um the generators uh require

1889
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,680
diesel fuel. The diesel fuel is in an

1890
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,960
underground tank outside of the building

1891
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,760
in the sidewalk. The tank has been uh

1892
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,040
flagged by the DEC for being removed. Um

1893
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:25,840
so, we are complying with that, and

1894
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,560
we're working on a removal program right

1895
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,800
now. We actually bid it, but the bids

1896
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,880
were um higher than what we would like.

1897
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,120
We only got one. We want to see uh if we

1898
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,080
can, you know, clarify that and get it

1899
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,720
out. We've been working with the DEC on

1900
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,800
this project. Um so, what we want to do

1901
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,680
is this is a multi-phase approach. What

1902
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,160
I've been going on is that the police

1903
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,360
department, you're going to be seeing me

1904
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:47,920
come in with a lot of requests over the

1905
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,080
next two capital seasons for

1906
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:51,440
improvements to the police department,

1907
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:53,160
which is still very much original to its

1908
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,640
1970s mechanicals. Um these generators

1909
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,960
are taking up valuable space inside the

1910
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,200
building. Uh I would like to utilize

1911
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,480
that space to replace the old electrical

1912
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,520
switch gear. So, what we're going to do

1913
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,200
is award install a new generator that is

1914
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,160
located outside of the building within

1915
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,320
an above-ground fuel cell, nothing in

1916
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,600
the ground. Um once this situation is

1917
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:16,880
installed and active, we're going to

1918
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,440
remove all the old generators, and then

1919
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:20,200
we're going to come in with an

1920
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:21,680
electrical

1921
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,680
uh capital request for next year to put

1922
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,560
in a new electrical system, and that way

1923
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,040
we can abandon the old electrical

1924
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,160
system, which is outdated. After the new

1925
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:32,960
electrical system is in place, then

1926
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,280
we're going to look to do some HVAC.

1927
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,400
But this is essentially the first domino

1928
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,520
that's going to fall inside the building

1929
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,440
to make room for the rest.

1930
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:45,160
Um and uh these generators are

1931
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,000
prepackaged units. We've been having a

1932
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,920
lot of success with them. Uh they'll be

1933
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,280
located outside uh the admin building

1934
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:52,760
near the children's garden with a little

1935
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,080
fenced enclosure.

1936
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,480
Mr. Whalen. Yes, thank you. Mr. Whalen,

1937
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:59,560
where is this funding coming from under

1938
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,560
the capital the 2026 capital um

1939
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,040
budget? Okay. Uh this funding is coming

1940
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,640
through a capital code called police uh

1941
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,120
HVAC and mechanical improvements.

1942
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,960
It it this is not a 2026. It's not a

1943
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,640
2026.

1944
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,040
>> No. The 2026 actually, you haven't seen

1945
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,520
any 2026 yet because I don't know if

1946
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,320
we've actually solved and are ready to

1947
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,680
move forward on. We have Right.

1948
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,520
This is This is old capital. So, this

1949
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,440
was budgeted under the 2025 2025 or

1950
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:32,800
earlier, yeah. This is These are

1951
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,680
projects that I'm trying to clean up.

1952
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,440
>> Okay. Yes. Thank you for clarifying. I

1953
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:38,080
thought it was a 2026, but it's not in

1954
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,560
here. I I have not even started on 2026

1955
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,840
yet. Okay. Thank you for that. Thank

1956
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,240
you. Any questions or comments? Mr.

1957
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,480
Chairs. Um so, this being the the lowest

1958
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,520
budget you received on April 1st, what

1959
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:49,560
were some of the hang-ups that you

1960
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,080
received from people that were proposing

1961
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,480
budget? Was it working with the DEC in

1962
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,160
compliance with the diesel from for the

1963
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,800
generator? What was the issues that you

1964
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,440
were seeing while we waited so long to

1965
01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:59,160
get someone to give you that? Cuz you

1966
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,640
said the numbers that you were receiving

1967
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,560
Oh, oh, you're talking about for the

1968
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:01,960
tank?

1969
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,160
>> Yeah, yeah. For the tank removal, we

1970
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,240
only got one bid. Okay. And we think it

1971
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,800
was because um we weren't fast enough

1972
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,760
with responding to questions about the

1973
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,760
bid excavation. So, what we're doing is

1974
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,240
we're putting all the questions that we

1975
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,120
were asked about the removals into the

1976
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,160
base bid, and we're putting it back out,

1977
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,920
and we're going to act Usually, we don't

1978
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,920
actively solicit to companies. Um we try

1979
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,880
not to We use Empire Bidnet and and

1980
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,520
other programs, but in this case, um to

1981
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,240
have a number come in that was above our

1982
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,960
estimate, and it only be one bid, it's

1983
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,560
very hard to recommend to the council

1984
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:34,880
something like that. So, we want to try

1985
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:35,600
again.

1986
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,920
Thank you.

1987
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,480
Any other questions or comments? Hearing

1988
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,680
none, may we have a motion? So Second.

1989
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,640
All those in favor? Aye. Thank

1990
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,600
you.

1991
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,880
The next item will be a discussion of

1992
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,840
the city code chapter 161-21,

1993
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,560
public collection and disposal of solid

1994
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,720
waste, next steps in the bulk sticker

1995
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,280
trash program.

1996
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,600
Um if you can all recall, we've been

1997
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,680
making a good headway in these

1998
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,200
conversations. Uh this meeting we will

1999
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,800
be having a update from Mr. Lunn I think

2000
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,240
with regards to restructure and next

2001
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:14,990
steps moving forward.

2002
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,080
Thank you, Mr. President. Um

2003
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,000
uh I took this one short notice, so

2004
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,400
forgive me. Uh Paul wasn't able to attend. Um we are

2005
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,480
coming up with some numbers that uh

2006
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,320
hopefully will be favorable to the

2007
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:37,240
council to make a decision on uh two-tier system of garbage. Uh you know, recommendations coming from

2008
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,840
the uh garbage uh we're going to say a

2009
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,640
45-gallon can is uh acceptable. Um we we

2010
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,680
like the two bulk items once a month uh

2011
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,680
per household.

2012
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,360
Uh the second tier uh looking at, you

2013
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,640
know, a

2014
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,680
uh possible take all on on the second

2015
01:30:55,680 --> 01:31:00,360
tier. Um and see what fits the best. Uh

2016
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,680
we also got to think and remember that

2017
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,200
when we implement the two-tier system,

2018
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,280
that we have to look at what our finance

2019
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,160
department is capable of and our

2020
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,960
taxation department with the uh

2021
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,640
we're currently

2022
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:20,640
uh only able to take one tax bill in at a time at a certain rate. When we

2023
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,120
change that rate per property,

2024
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,440
um we may have to look at getting a

2025
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:28,440
uh separate software system for OGS to

2026
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:32,560
implement that. Uh there's a RPS uh

2027
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,400
delay from the county that that pretty

2028
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,240
much lags us about 3 months.

2029
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:39,640
Um

2030
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,480
with the sale of a property, which would

2031
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,560
cause a problem if somebody didn't want

2032
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,040
the second tier moved into that and was

2033
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,400
getting taxed for it. So, um we're there

2034
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,800
is a few hurdles to look at, and uh you

2035
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:53,680
know,

2036
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,000
time

2037
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,280
timetables of when we can implement

2038
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,960
these systems.

2039
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,040
Um but I I think the the beginning is

2040
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,440
quantifying garbage and uh you know,

2041
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:06,720
starting at the beginning of

2042
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,800
uh what the expectations are from the

2043
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,040
council uh and the mayor of uh

2044
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,760
you know, how much garbage that

2045
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,080
we are allowed to create and and throw

2046
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,480
out. Uh and then the second tier. Uh

2047
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,400
looking at pre-numbers now, you know,

2048
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:26,080
we're at an eight-digit operation,

2049
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,000
uh currently looking at

2050
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000
uh downfalls, you know, possible

2051
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,840
shortfalls in the five-digit numbers uh

2052
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,760
you know, all we're looking at today.

2053
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,160
Um you know, that could go up, you know,

2054
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,520
if things don't change

2055
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:41,680
um

2056
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,160
ba- based on what we see, you know, from

2057
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,800
the data.

2058
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,320
Um and I'd be happy to answer anybody's

2059
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,480
questions that that you have.

2060
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:52,640
Uh thank you, Mr. Lunn, for being

2061
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,240
present. I'm definitely to be very

2062
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,680
honest, disappointed we don't have any

2063
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,240
numbers in front of us. I think at this

2064
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,480
stage very much expecting to have those

2065
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:02,920
to consider. I can very much understand

2066
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,840
um that we are compiling a lot, um but I

2067
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,320
think we we just need to make sure we

2068
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:08,920
have all the information in front of us

2069
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,400
to make the best informed decisions

2070
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,280
moving forward. Um with that being said,

2071
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,520
I would you mind taking the first

2072
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,120
question? Um just speaking to your just

2073
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:19,960
confidence in the two-tier system. I

2074
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,160
know you've said but let's make sure we

2075
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,040
have clear tangibles. Do you feel

2076
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,000
confident that the two-tier program or

2077
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,080
two-tier approach will work for the

2078
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,480
city? I I I 100% back a two-tier system.

2079
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:35,160
I believe it's the fairest way to go. Um

2080
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,080
it it does uh

2081
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,080
you know, there's there's pros and and

2082
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,120
cons to everything we do.

2083
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:45,000
Uh the system we now have uh is

2084
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,120
the easiest to enforce. Once we go to a

2085
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,640
two-tier system, we're going to have to

2086
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,600
look at using technologies, AI

2087
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,640
technologies of which property um you

2088
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,280
know, has uh

2089
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,080
the second tier and giving us the best

2090
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,560
efficiency. Um you know, in trying to

2091
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,160
keep it keep the uh

2092
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,040
sanitation department as efficient as

2093
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:10,040
possible. Uh it also uh promotes uh you

2094
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:11,920
know, doing a two-tier system like this

2095
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,320
promotes recycling, which we can't

2096
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,120
predict you know, maybe I would say uh

2097
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,000
half of the households that currently

2098
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,880
recycle in the city. Um we're going to

2099
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,120
see that increase because they don't

2100
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,160
want to buy a second can or, you know,

2101
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,880
make that that larger investment. With

2102
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,400
that, the

2103
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,280
uh recycling costs the city uh I believe

2104
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:38,320
$76 a ton versus $58 a ton for

2105
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,000
uh waste disposal. So, it costs us get

2106
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,360
more now to get rid of recycling than it

2107
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,160
does to uh get rid of waste. So, that

2108
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,000
will be numbers that that we'd have to

2109
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,480
we we don't have da- data on. We we

2110
01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:54,120
collect all our data Every All garbage

2111
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:55,920
goes in the one truck and it gets thrown

2112
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,240
away. We know uh

2113
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,600
what districts make what. Um we we can

2114
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,200
track that, uh but we can't track right

2115
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,720
now what households make, you know, how

2116
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,360
much weight. So, um

2117
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,800
having a dedicated fund where the

2118
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,720
uh if possible, revenue overflows go

2119
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,120
into uh for the the following year, you

2120
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,920
would then have a better idea after

2121
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,400
implementing the first year, um you

2122
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,520
know, how much you you overran, and then

2123
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,000
that could be credited to the year after

2124
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,360
and and balance it out. So, it is going

2125
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,280
to take a learning phase to get

2126
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,600
to a two-tier system,

2127
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,400
but I'm confident that we can get there.

2128
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,120
I I do think that it's going to take

2129
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,840
some time to implement, and it wouldn't

2130
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,960
be this year. Um

2131
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,960
but it would have to be looked at in the

2132
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,760
future. Um

2133
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,040
and larger conversations would have to

2134
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,960
be had between

2135
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,880
uh inter- you know, departments here in

2136
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,280
the city.

2137
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,920
Thank you. Question or comments, Mr.

2138
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,600
McGovern? Yeah, um prior conversation,

2139
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,440
uh we had talked about um

2140
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:04,560
50 gallons of container.

2141
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:09,360
How is that uh I know in terms of our employees, how is that with the

2142
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,160
union? Are they going to be, you know,

2143
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,160
Right currently it's a 40-gallon, 45,

2144
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:15,680
45-gallon.

2145
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:16,000
So

2146
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,680
>> So, can we ask him to ask him to go to a

2147
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,920
50-gallon? How is that sitting with

2148
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,510
them? Are they in favor of that?

2149
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,840
The current contract refers to says

2150
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,200
45-gallon, so that's what I asked be

2151
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:32,880
included in this.

2152
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:37,120
And our contract with Scotia

2153
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,240
says 90 gallons per

2154
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:45,240
but what it is, it's 45 for MSW, 45 for

2155
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:46,880
recyclables.

2156
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,680
Uh and that would just

2157
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,160
have a level of consistency across the

2158
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,950
board.

2159
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,640
Um the the code also says that

2160
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,880
we we accept anything from a 10-gallon

2161
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,440
to a 45-gallon. So, uh you know, if

2162
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:06,000
there is households that, you know, we

2163
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,120
can look at, you know, a smaller can for

2164
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:09,640
those people that

2165
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,520
uh are not able to uh you know, carry

2166
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:14,150
out that can.

2167
01:37:14,152 --> 01:37:14,160
» [snorts]

2168
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:15,920
>> You know, if they only make two bags of

2169
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:17,200
garbage.

2170
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:18,920
I do think that in the rules and

2171
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,640
regulations that we have to uh define

2172
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,960
uh you know, what we want in the can.

2173
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,560
You know, is it is it uh you know, with

2174
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,800
an attached lid? Um

2175
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,960
all garbage should be bagged.

2176
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,040
And you know, so forth.

2177
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,840
Those are some things I'm currently

2178
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,160
working on,

2179
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,680
modifications to the entire chapter

2180
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,200
161.

2181
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,000
Mr. McGovern. So, the proposal is that

2182
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,560
we're staying at 45 gallons, and I'm

2183
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,600
making it to go to 50 50 gallons. Uh

2184
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,240
we're staying at 45. I would recommend

2185
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:53,800
45. So, whatever can fit in that

2186
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:55,480
45-gallon

2187
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:56,880
container

2188
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,160
will get put out.

2189
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,320
And picked up. That's correct. Okay.

2190
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,040
Now, you mentioned something there um in

2191
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,680
terms of um

2192
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,719
money rolled over into the next year.

2193
01:38:05,719 --> 01:38:07,120
But you're saying here you know, you

2194
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,520
have to If you read the code, they have

2195
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:09,920
that there. It it's supposed to have a

2196
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,880
dedicated fund for any uh revenue that's

2197
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:14,640
going in there, and I think that should

2198
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:18,480
continue. Um so, if there is a you know,

2199
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:21,200
if if we if we make it too much, if we

2200
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,240
say

2201
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,680
uh to collect for that second tier is is

2202
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,400
way and and we overestimate it, uh based

2203
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:29,960
on we don't know exactly what each

2204
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,960
household's going to put out, um

2205
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,520
we can then take that money and figure

2206
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,480
out what what the correction is for

2207
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:40,080
those families in the years to come.

2208
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:41,360
No, no, no, I'm glad you brought it up

2209
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,760
because this is a good opportunity for

2210
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,800
us maybe to separate the um

2211
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,320
the waste budget like how we do with the

2212
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,240
um

2213
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:49,880
water and sewer, and to have a

2214
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,400
stand-alone

2215
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,400
waste collection um revenue budget um

2216
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,520
Which is what we've been trying to do.

2217
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:58,520
The

2218
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:00,680
fee uh we wanted to cover waste

2219
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,320
collection.

2220
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,960
Today, the waste fee is subsidized by

2221
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,240
the general fund.

2222
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:09,320
Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, this

2223
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:10,920
is what I'm saying. This is our plan.

2224
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,880
Talk about taking the surplus and

2225
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,760
carrying it forward. There is none. It's

2226
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,040
a structural deficit. Yeah.

2227
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,080
So, I think we need to look at that

2228
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,360
maybe in the next budget to separate

2229
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:23,720
the funding for

2230
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,680
ways. It would be an ideal idea to get

2231
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:26,920
it going. We're talking about this

2232
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,360
because he seems to be talking about

2233
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,520
ways over the last several years, but I

2234
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:31,920
think we need to So, we're talking about

2235
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:33,240
it, we need to address it and get it

2236
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,880
behind us. And maybe it's a good

2237
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,280
opportunity for us to have a separate

2238
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:37,960
funding

2239
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,840
source.

2240
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,200
Good morning, everyone.

2241
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:42,680
Uh Mr. Chairs,

2242
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,160
you had made reference to a shortfall of

2243
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:46,720
about five digit figures. Can you speak

2244
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,920
more to that? Uh I'm going to just say

2245
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:50,920
that we're we're probably looking at

2246
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,160
numbers that are in the red and we're

2247
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,320
going to be looking for revenue based on

2248
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,120
the current tipping fees

2249
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,760
and what we have collected. Garbage is

2250
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,040
not static. It kind of goes like this,

2251
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,640
so I can't say it's absolute.

2252
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,480
You know, everybody could stop throwing

2253
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:07,560
out, but

2254
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,920
what we've seen in the past is is a lot

2255
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,280
of people move in the summertime before

2256
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,760
they have their kids are in school,

2257
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:17,320
stuff like that. So, we we know that

2258
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,120
there's a heavy time coming also, so we

2259
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,320
can we can kind of predict that there's

2260
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,560
going to be some more

2261
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,160
garbage being thrown out than normal,

2262
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,480
you know, or or typical.

2263
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:30,920
And follow up to that, so you and you

2264
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,280
said there might be a need for a second

2265
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,360
software system through OGS to work

2266
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,040
everything out.

2267
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:37,840
And I'm thinking just from what we've

2268
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,880
done already, time frame wise, how long

2269
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,320
would it take you to implement start the

2270
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,720
implementation process of this two-tier

2271
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,640
system? Say if we were to pass it today,

2272
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,200
how long would it take you? Obviously,

2273
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:49,040
that's not what's happening at the

2274
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,680
moment, right?

2275
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,160
So, so we'd have to come up with the

2276
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,400
determinations of exactly what

2277
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,000
the department needs to operate.

2278
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,760
It's got to be efficient. It's got to

2279
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,120
take in

2280
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,360
It's got to offer the best services to

2281
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,560
the community

2282
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,080
and also use in what I think is going to

2283
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,720
be integrated the AI software program

2284
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,400
that identifies the properties that

2285
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,360
for my garbage men, how many, you know,

2286
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,440
is it a multi-tier or is it single-tier

2287
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:23,880
directly, so then we can absolutely send

2288
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,280
out notice of violation or no

2289
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,400
concern that that their garbage is out

2290
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,880
without you know,

2291
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,280
illegal now.

2292
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,200
And to finish this just cuz our time

2293
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,120
frame is we had said

2294
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,560
suspended the program till June. And you

2295
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:41,640
may not have the answer now, but if you

2296
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,400
could come back with a before you or Mr.

2297
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:44,760
LaFontaine, just a recommendation

2298
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,680
finishing out this year because as we've

2299
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,160
continued to have these conversations, I

2300
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:49,640
do believe it's productive. We're

2301
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,000
looking at realistically things that we

2302
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,360
can implement by 2027 for the year

2303
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,280
assuming, right? So, how can we finish

2304
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,640
out the last six months of this year

2305
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,840
that's going to work with OGS workers

2306
01:41:58,840 --> 01:41:59,960
and that the union's going to be okay

2307
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,120
with as well? Yeah, I apologize for not

2308
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:03,680
being able to actually give them up a

2309
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:05,800
time for the software system and all

2310
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,000
that comes,

2311
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,080
you know, with designers and you know,

2312
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,880
going out to bid. So, there's there's a

2313
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:18,400
lot of specs to go for for 2026, it's it's quantifying

2314
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,080
garbage. It's putting limitations on how

2315
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:24,400
much people are throw to be thrown out

2316
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,880
in bulk items. And then

2317
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,560
an educational program should be put out

2318
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:30,600
for

2319
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,760
what the expectations of the overflow of

2320
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,280
those bulk items and how the public

2321
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,080
should be handling them

2322
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,960
is what I would recommend.

2323
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,950
Mr. Lance, Mayor Mr. Mayor.

2324
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,560
The simplest approach would be getting

2325
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,720
the council to make a decision

2326
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,200
what the quantity is. So, if you go with

2327
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,200
the 45 gallon can,

2328
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,840
the first can we pick up under the

2329
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,680
current fee structure,

2330
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,160
you can still reduce that down to say

2331
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:04,880
that's [clears throat] going to be

2332
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,000
five or six bags 13 gallon or whatever,

2333
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,680
so we can still pick those up. People

2334
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,040
who want the additional

2335
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,840
service

2336
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,680
can be charged and then

2337
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,000
look at it as the simplest thing is

2338
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,400
today we pass out the stickers that go

2339
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,520
on the cans for recycling is we put out

2340
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,160
the sticker

2341
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,120
that designates the house is having a

2342
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:31,680
has paid the higher fee so that they

2343
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,200
could put out two cans that we would

2344
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,720
pick up.

2345
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,760
And again, as Mr. Lance talked about,

2346
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,120
there's still a lot of variables in some

2347
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,520
of that. What do you do with the bulk

2348
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,160
items? How do you handle that?

2349
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,920
But we could start to phase some of that

2350
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,600
in

2351
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:52,760
relatively quickly

2352
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,280
building in

2353
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,280
flexibility and then also having just a

2354
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:01,280
learning curve of how quick people adapt

2355
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:02,560
the

2356
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,760
process and

2357
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,680
again, as opposed to the city buying the

2358
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:11,040
cans, we say there's a designated can

2359
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,720
and work with

2360
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,720
you know, some of the local hardware

2361
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,680
stores where

2362
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,400
people want to go and buy it, they buy

2363
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:19,840
it.

2364
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,880
Again, have to set the standard on it

2365
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:23,520
for does it have the lid? Does it have

2366
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,800
the wheels?

2367
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,200
Other features that make it more

2368
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,480
functional for the crew in the street.

2369
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:34,240
I think before I think to that point,

2370
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:35,560
Mr. Engert was talking about those

2371
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:36,920
efforts as well. You want to take a

2372
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,400
moment? Yeah, so I think

2373
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:41,040
I definitely agree with Mr. Lance that

2374
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,520
we need to quantify garbage. I think

2375
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,240
at the last committee meeting we

2376
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:47,440
stressed that. I think we also need to

2377
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:49,640
stress for the remainder of this year

2378
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,400
after June like Mr. Chairs was saying,

2379
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,680
what are we going to collect for bulk

2380
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,560
because once that expires,

2381
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:56,840
we're going back to the sticker program

2382
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:58,080
where right now we're just collecting

2383
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,440
everything, which I think like you said

2384
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,280
is not sustainable.

2385
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,960
Um

2386
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,280
to the mayor's point about cans and

2387
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:06,720
working with local hardware stores, the

2388
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,560
city of New York,

2389
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,200
they partner with Home Depot

2390
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,240
to have the city seal painted on garbage

2391
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,240
cans that they sell in the store.

2392
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,480
There is data that we could do that and

2393
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:19,600
partner with them, but I think that's

2394
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,520
more of a long drawn out process that we

2395
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,480
can look forward in the future. But I

2396
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:25,040
think for the short term, we definitely

2397
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,920
need to focus on like you said,

2398
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:28,840
quantifying garbage, quantifying

2399
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,200
jackpots, and then, you know, if we talk

2400
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,080
about 2027, 2028, 2029, where do we go

2401
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,360
from there? So.

2402
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,800
And I'm a fan of Lowe's, so we have to

2403
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,760
Mr. Mayor. Yeah, so I have to be careful

2404
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:52,790
what I'm saying.

2405
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,960
Yeah, thank you. I'm glad that you

2406
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,120
brought it up and saying that because

2407
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,400
that's what New York City has and these

2408
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,720
hardware stores will supply the can with

2409
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:01,960
the seal.

2410
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,360
That's something that we can we can tap

2411
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,080
into when that comes to that.

2412
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,400
Actually purchase that at their cost and

2413
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:09,280
have them

2414
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,720
Um Mayor, you talked about

2415
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:13,320
track. How do we track these? If you

2416
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:15,200
were to go with this tier one, tier two

2417
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:17,600
system,

2418
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,520
are we going to be putting software

2419
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,760
technology in place to track show up to

2420
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,760
my place? How would you know that I am a

2421
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,680
tier one, tier two?

2422
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,680
You don't. My simple thing is you don't

2423
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,440
have a sticker on your can, you're tier

2424
01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:32,720
one. You have a sticker on your second

2425
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,080
can, you're tier two.

2426
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:35,400
>> So, then okay, so then you're required

2427
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,800
to have a sticker to identify your your

2428
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:39,720
level. So, that would be the simpler

2429
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,040
way. So,

2430
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,560
council puts a fee on the sticker that

2431
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,760
goes on the can so that you now qualify

2432
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,040
for twice the amount of garbage as the

2433
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:50,080
regular household.

2434
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:51,160
>> Now, the reason why I ask is because,

2435
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,240
you know, our staff are there. I mean,

2436
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,200
we cannot put more on them. They're they're hustling and bustling to

2437
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:57,960
get that can into the garbage and move

2438
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,360
on to the next house. To add more stuff

2439
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,960
to them is kind of like compounding

2440
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,880
already that they're taxing with. The

2441
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,680
Mr. Walls talked about

2442
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,400
working with Civil.

2443
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,160
The

2444
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:12,960
presentation was done in the cycle

2445
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,680
before with the University of Albany.

2446
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:16,040
It's using some of the similar

2447
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:17,680
technology

2448
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,840
and those two companies talking to each

2449
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,080
other

2450
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,960
to be able to process that. So,

2451
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:25,360
University of Albany is not just looking

2452
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,280
at the garbage at the curb, but looking

2453
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,120
at litter on the street, uh

2454
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,560
other maintenance and code violations

2455
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,440
that would be

2456
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:35,754
uh

2457
01:47:35,754 --> 01:47:36,400
>> [clears throat]

2458
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,430
>> people's front yards, how do you

2459
01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:42,280
automate some of those notices? What we

2460
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,080
found in the past is if we send out a

2461
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,920
notice for people who

2462
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,440
have

2463
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:52,080
bushes that aren't cut or long grass, we

2464
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,440
get a very high compliance rate with

2465
01:47:54,440 --> 01:47:56,120
just

2466
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:57,719
reminding people that they should be

2467
01:47:57,719 --> 01:48:00,240
doing it differently. And then it's how

2468
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,320
do you focus the resources on those

2469
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,560
problem properties or property owners

2470
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,120
who drive our costs because they're not

2471
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,560
picking the stuff up or they're cleaning

2472
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,440
the building out, putting the jackpot

2473
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,760
out there, so we're expecting us to pick

2474
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,280
up a couple tons of material uh

2475
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:20,920
once a month.

2476
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,400
And you Mr. Chairs.

2477
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:23,680
So,

2478
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,680
could you Did you have a question?

2479
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:26,680
Sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Did you have a

2480
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,520
follow up? Yeah, I do I do have a follow

2481
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:29,719
up if you don't mind. Yeah, Mayor, I'm

2482
01:48:29,719 --> 01:48:31,080
glad you touched on that because this

2483
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,520
ticket here that we had rolled out a

2484
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,440
couple years ago, this is a parent

2485
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:36,600
ticket to the police department. It did

2486
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,920
mention littering and over bulk of

2487
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:40,080
trash.

2488
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:41,600
Can we

2489
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,680
tap into Civic to work with the police

2490
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,760
in order for this for this ticketing

2491
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:47,760
system?

2492
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:49,840
That's part of the But that's part of

2493
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,280
the thing. How do you automate that and

2494
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,760
be able to get it generated

2495
01:48:56,760 --> 01:49:00,160
reduce the manpower so that you

2496
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,480
Everything still requires like a human

2497
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:03,520
review. [clears throat] So, somebody's

2498
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,360
got to sit and

2499
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,560
look at the photos, look at the stuff,

2500
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,720
but today we send one person out look at

2501
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:12,400
it, they write it down, they go to the

2502
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,120
next house. This year you can

2503
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,560
scan 100 houses,

2504
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,800
you know, in a very short period of time

2505
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:24,600
and identify those that are in need of

2506
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:25,800
color

2507
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,600
a polite reminder and then

2508
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,560
those that don't comply with that then

2509
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,120
we become more aggressive in our

2510
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:33,880
follow-up. Yeah, just to get address

2511
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,520
some of those first some of them right

2512
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:36,800
as highlights. So we just need to tap

2513
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,600
into the service

2514
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:42,480
so they can get the next one before I if you don't mind.

2515
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:43,960
So since we're look like we're moving

2516
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:45,720
forward in in a positive direction here

2517
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:47,720
in terms of addressing this verbiage,

2518
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,040
should we

2519
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:50,960
move forward in terms of

2520
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,480
rescinding the sticker program because

2521
01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:55,080
the timing we have to look at the timing

2522
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,440
also because June 2nd and we want to

2523
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,560
give ourselves enough time to what do we

2524
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,120
need to do? Public hearing? Do we need a

2525
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:03,000
public hearing to rescind that?

2526
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,520
And to bring that, you know, get that

2527
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,400
behind us and move forward into this new

2528
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:10,200
program. Mr. Ryan. Yeah, to answer that

2529
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:11,920
question, if you're going to rescind

2530
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,760
the, you know, any amendments to chapter

2531
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,960
161, they're going to have to be via

2532
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:19,360
public hearing. And and if you res-

2533
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,080
change anything,

2534
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:22,720
obviously you're amending the code so

2535
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,320
that requires public hearing. So the way

2536
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,680
ahead is really the question I was going

2537
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:31,040
to ask is that as as Mr. Ryan indicated,

2538
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:32,840
he's been working on sections of the

2539
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:34,680
code that are going to have to be

2540
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:39,320
changed and we can we legal office can work with Mr. Ryan on getting that

2541
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,280
done.

2542
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,320
Your moratorium or suspension expires on

2543
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,480
Sunday, June 14th regarding the sticker

2544
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:48,080
program.

2545
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:50,120
So I'm hearing here is a tier one

2546
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,800
program and a tier two program. When do

2547
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,280
you want to implement that tier one?

2548
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,400
When do you want to implement tier two?

2549
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:02,040
And what and and to your question, Mr. Ryan, you

2550
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:03,760
know, what do where does that leave the

2551
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,960
sticker program? Do we leave the sticker

2552
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,720
program phasing out at the end of the

2553
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,720
year or

2554
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:12,560
create, you know, what the guidance that

2555
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,560
the council has to give Mr. Ryan and the

2556
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,640
legal department at this point is what

2557
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,160
do you want to do? You want to do a tier

2558
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:21,560
one, tier two with an effective date,

2559
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,200
you know, January 1 of 2026 or an

2560
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:29,880
effective date before that and or you want to

2561
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:31,120
you know

2562
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:35,720
rescind the just out out rescind the the sticker program. But what are you

2563
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:37,680
going to put in its place and when do

2564
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:41,040
you want that phased in? So

2565
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,360
what we need from the council, Mr. Ryan

2566
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:46,960
and legal to in order to draft something

2567
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:48,600
up so at your next meeting you have

2568
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:50,280
something

2569
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,240
for in the code in front of you

2570
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:54,480
and then go through the public hearing

2571
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:56,080
process and I can go through that, Mr.

2572
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:57,720
Chairman, just

2573
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,480
regarding the timelines later on.

2574
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,920
But what we need is when you want that

2575
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,960
started under

2576
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,080
you know, tier one, tier

2577
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,320
two, what does that include? When does

2578
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,400
that start? And what what does that mean

2579
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,680
for the sticker program? Uh did you

2580
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,520
follow Mr. Ryan? Yes. So

2581
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,120
thank you. Thank you for clarifying

2582
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:20,840
that. So as we move forward and we're

2583
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,200
going to be adopting, hopefully, tier

2584
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,720
one, tier two. And as we rescind the

2585
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:27,680
sticker program, I think we should do

2586
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,800
both at the same time with Mr. uh

2587
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:32,560
Ryan

2588
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,160
and the finance team

2589
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,080
and corporation council's and our

2590
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,400
council is incorporate all at the same

2591
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,480
time because you're going to need a

2592
01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:40,800
public hearing

2593
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,360
to amend chapter 161 and at the same

2594
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,840
time you need to do all in one roll out

2595
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,720
one. So I I think we should do both at

2596
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,280
the same time rather than doing rescind

2597
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:52,280
one and then go back two weeks or four

2598
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,080
weeks and then have to go and amend it.

2599
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,040
So I think we need to

2600
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,360
put it all together and do one

2601
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,440
public hearing and amend it so that get

2602
01:53:00,440 --> 01:53:02,480
the language in at the same time. Thank

2603
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:04,360
you. Mr. Ryan. Yeah, and just to follow

2604
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:05,840
up on that, just to clarify so

2605
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:07,320
everybody's on the same page as far as

2606
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:08,680
the hearing schedule and when this has

2607
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,120
to roll out regarding the deadline.

2608
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:12,360
So

2609
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:14,200
you know, next committee cycle we'll

2610
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:16,720
work up a draft for for for for the

2611
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,040
council to take a look at. At the next

2612
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,440
committee cycle, which is on May 4th,

2613
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:23,720
you'll review the draft and then pass

2614
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:25,680
out a resolution calling for a public

2615
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:28,000
hearing for May 26th.

2616
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,120
That resolution calling for the public

2617
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:31,920
hearing will be on

2618
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,480
May 11th.

2619
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,480
And then at the next committee cycle,

2620
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,240
which is May 18th, you'll have a second

2621
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:40,160
look at the draft

2622
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:41,800
and then

2623
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,800
the after the public hearing, which will

2624
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,880
include the new language as well as the

2625
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,800
repealed language to be taken out if if

2626
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,040
that's what the council wants,

2627
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:54,680
it can all be part cuz it's all going to

2628
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:58,400
be part of one chapter 161.

2629
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,920
Then after the public hearing, there is

2630
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,840
a if there's a committee cycle after

2631
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,480
that on June 1, so based on the comments

2632
01:54:05,480 --> 01:54:06,720
you hear from the public, you'll have

2633
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:09,960
another opportunity to look at the the

2634
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,640
proposed order ordinance, pass it out

2635
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:15,440
committee. The next the next city

2636
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:18,320
council meeting is June 8th and that is

2637
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,720
before the deadline, which is on Sunday,

2638
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,560
June 14th.

2639
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,240
Thank you, Mr. Chairs.

2640
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:26,480
It's a lot.

2641
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:28,080
Possibly Mr. Ryan, you got a lot in

2642
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:29,640
right there. So first I I want to stay

2643
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,520
on point with that. With this looking at

2644
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,160
the timeline that Mr. Ryan just laid out

2645
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,320
for us, would your team be able to get

2646
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:36,920
the council those numbers that we're

2647
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,840
expecting today before May 4th

2648
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,440
committee cycle? So this way we can

2649
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,480
actually review those numbers as well so

2650
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:44,760
we can make if we're going to put it all

2651
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:46,960
into one public hearing cycle, I feel

2652
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,120
and I'm not speaking for council for

2653
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:49,800
myself, I would like to have those

2654
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,080
numbers so we can better review and

2655
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:52,240
understand that we are going to move

2656
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:53,840
into this tier two, make that decision

2657
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,600
that same day. I have no problem

2658
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:56,880
pressing forward and I want to make that

2659
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:01,000
informed conversation decision once we get to that point. So

2660
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,120
if that's something your team could do,

2661
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:06,400
I would be in favor with Mr. Ryan moving

2662
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,880
forward with the code change as well.

2663
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,920
I appreciate that question and

2664
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,880
my blunt answer is no. I really think

2665
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,840
that there has to be internal

2666
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,960
conversations with our taxation

2667
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:18,280
department

2668
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:20,920
of how this money is received and then

2669
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,840
build out. Currently,

2670
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:24,600
if somebody doesn't pay a bill, it goes

2671
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,640
onto the tax roll.

2672
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:29,200
Two-tier system you having municity and

2673
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,160
our software system limitations.

2674
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,160
Currently, I think we've got to get over

2675
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,480
that hurdle

2676
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,960
unless we rethink it and simplify the

2677
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,640
system of uh

2678
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:43,280
and modify the code later on.

2679
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:44,760
Also, that the

2680
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,720
161 chapter 161

2681
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:49,560
with the rest of the code is is a

2682
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:52,120
disaster, you know, it's it's old and

2683
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:54,240
hasn't been revamped. I want to put it

2684
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,480
together in in one orderly fashion that

2685
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:00,560
will last uh quite a few years and and

2686
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,080
this council can be proud of. So

2687
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:06,120
I would say it that timeline for me is

2688
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:08,920
unrealistic and I need to

2689
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,160
you know, further data from the

2690
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:15,240
council you know, on proposals for

2691
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,880
what I would like to do into

2692
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:19,320
what everyone wants to do in their

2693
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:23,680
chapter 161. Uh just for example, we had

2694
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:25,840
uh code enforcement administrative fees

2695
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,320
were raised last year but

2696
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,240
uh nuisance administrative fees

2697
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:33,760
still remain at $50 admin fee, which

2698
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:35,920
doesn't cost the cover

2699
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,240
operational costs. So there's things

2700
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:39,800
like that that I

2701
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:42,200
need to be considered. Would they be put

2702
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,640
in? Would they be approved and and then

2703
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:47,520
go forward from there? So I I think

2704
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,440
going a little deeper with the timeline

2705
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:51,440
would be more realistic and then

2706
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,280
implementation

2707
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,400
I think it would be

2708
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:59,000
2027. Okay. So how long projectively and

2709
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:00,680
I appreciate you being honest, thank you

2710
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:02,840
first off, would it take for your team

2711
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:04,280
because we are up against that timeline,

2712
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:05,960
right? June 14th in this room, we pushed

2713
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,840
this back. You all got a late start to

2714
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:09,560
this year anyway on top of everything

2715
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,320
else, the nonsense that we dealt with.

2716
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,120
So what can we what can we expect from

2717
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,760
you as a council timeline that's going

2718
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:17,160
to be realistic for you to put that

2719
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:18,520
together and I appreciate the fact that

2720
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:20,440
you want to help us put something that's

2721
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:23,600
going to be long standing in the city

2722
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:24,640
for code that I think hasn't been

2723
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,880
updated since like 1979. So it's like,

2724
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:27,840
you know,

2725
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,520
what what time frame would you need to

2726
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,200
get us those numbers? Um

2727
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:35,760
I I would say an extra 30 days would

2728
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,520
uh work wonders.

2729
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,640
I I would recommend that

2730
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:43,880
if it's if the sticker program, you

2731
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,800
know, has already been

2732
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:47,440
you know, extended 30 days, is that

2733
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,000
something there we could go forward and

2734
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,200
do another extension on and

2735
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:54,160
it's up to the what the council Mr.

2736
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:55,480
Mayor.

2737
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:58,800
Okay. What numbers are you looking for?

2738
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,960
My position has been the council has to

2739
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,560
make a decision on quantity.

2740
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,840
You seem to be moving closer to the 45

2741
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,800
gallons. If you can do that,

2742
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:10,520
we can move forward [clears throat]

2743
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,240
on a

2744
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:14,520
fairly simplified basis and still

2745
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,200
building some flexibility in it.

2746
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:18,760
The

2747
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,040
I'm not looking to buy the cans from the

2748
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:22,200
city.

2749
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:24,520
You know, we can say that here's the

2750
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,120
standard can, you can get it at Home

2751
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:29,000
Depot

2752
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,280
for city residents and Carl's Jr. and

2753
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,719
the discount at Lowe's just outside of

2754
01:58:33,719 --> 01:58:34,920
the city.

2755
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:35,920
But

2756
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:40,070
people can work from that and again

2757
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,360
commit to some level of flexible

2758
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:44,680
enforcement so [clears throat] that

2759
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,120
we're using common sense there. So if

2760
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:48,800
somebody goes a little bit over 45

2761
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,320
gallons, we're not giving them a hard

2762
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,200
time, but if somebody is putting out two

2763
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,800
tons of material,

2764
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,240
they've got to pay for it. Right.

2765
01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,640
So right.

2766
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:00,960
So if I can going to I'm sorry, but I

2767
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,440
think similarly, I think we sort of

2768
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:04,160
getting away and I appreciate the level

2769
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:05,640
of detail you are providing. I think

2770
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:06,880
it's clear to point out that there are

2771
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:08,680
two separate functionalities at this

2772
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:11,560
table. We as council members legislate.

2773
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,400
The mayor's office is responsible for

2774
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:15,640
operating. So, I think with this how

2775
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:17,000
this situation was presented to the

2776
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,040
council is the language in the city code

2777
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,320
is unclear for me to implement

2778
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:22,520
throughout the city.

2779
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,360
Is that accurate, Mr. Nick? Correct. So,

2780
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:25,800
as we are continuing forward in this

2781
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:27,000
conversation, I think we're getting

2782
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,200
closer and I think with tonight's

2783
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,320
conversation, my expectations as one of

2784
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:34,720
seven votes was to give you the go ahead

2785
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:36,240
out of our committee to start building

2786
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:39,840
that language for the potential public

2787
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:41,280
hearing later on.

2788
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:41,840
Um,

2789
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:43,960
I think my comment directly to you, Mr.

2790
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:47,000
Lund, is can you just simply build a fee

2791
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
structure for these two tiers

2792
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,000
and I understand how you implement it is

2793
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,600
going to be complicated, to say the

2794
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:55,200
least, but that very much is a

2795
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:57,840
consideration outside of the council.

2796
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,800
I'm confident we can come up with that

2797
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:01,680
in 2 weeks.

2798
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:04,200
yeah. Thank you. Um, any

2799
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,440
other questions or comments?

2800
02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:08,800
I do. Mr. O'Brien. So, we're talking

2801
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:10,480
about the 45-gallon that we're going to

2802
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,200
require that the homeowner purchases,

2803
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:13,840
that we're going to have to need to add

2804
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:15,040
Sorry, we're going to need to add that

2805
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,960
into 161. Yeah. Yeah, this is going to

2806
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,440
have to be amended. It's all It's all

2807
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,760
going to be forbidden. As Mr. Lund

2808
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:23,600
indicated, it's going to all be part of

2809
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:26,240
the whole big package. You know,

2810
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,600
obviously the [clears throat] the emphasis will be

2811
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:29,760
on

2812
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,280
the number of cans, etc. You know, the

2813
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:34,040
immediate but we're going to be working

2814
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,160
on that. So, yes,

2815
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:37,560
to answer your question, you will

2816
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:40,760
require that to be amended along with

2817
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,800
other items. And then in terms of if

2818
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:44,920
someone refused to purchase or not

2819
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:46,960
purchase, is there a violation? Will

2820
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:47,480
there [clears throat] be a fine attached

2821
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:50,240
to that as part of the I would, in the

2822
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:55,520
interim, do a conversion to bags so that

2823
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:57,320
we The ideal thing is that they have a

2824
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:01,480
45-gallon can out there, but if they put

2825
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,480
whatever the council decided, six or

2826
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:05,760
seven bags out, we would pick that up.

2827
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,720
Something that is close to the capacity

2828
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:12,550
of the 45-gallon can.

2829
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:13,920
So.

2830
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:15,400
you're you're not required to

2831
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,880
purchase a can with a lid? Not

2832
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:19,800
initially. Not initially? There'd be

2833
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:21,920
that phase-in to

2834
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,320
So, we'll we'll need to add that in

2835
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:26,440
also. We We can We can address it in

2836
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,560
tiers so that that phased-in as various

2837
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:31,640
parts of the the code are phased in. So,

2838
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:35,000
we can hear that over with Mr. Lund and

2839
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,280
Mr. Lafond on that, but we can tier that

2840
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,800
in. And I think for any violations, we

2841
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:41,800
already have that and that if that's

2842
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,600
what Mr. Lund was talking about about

2843
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:45,200
kind of upping, you know, for whatever

2844
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:47,120
reason that that fee was

2845
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:48,960
not in the part of the table of fees

2846
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:50,680
increased a couple years ago, so that

2847
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:52,800
can be dealt with as part of this

2848
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:54,880
omnibus package.

2849
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,840
Um, Mr. Wiggins. I have

2850
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:58,400
I I can talk a little bit if you need to

2851
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,600
increase the fee for the garbage

2852
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:02,520
section, right? But in terms of a

2853
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:03,880
nuisance, that's a different thing, but

2854
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,240
I remember when I was piloting a fee

2855
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:08,200
increase, I did reach out to Paul and

2856
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:09,240
team

2857
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,200
and asked to sit down and to meet as

2858
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,680
part of the budget team cycle where we

2859
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:16,840
increase the fee and nobody from OGS sat

2860
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,760
down with me. No, I said we did, but

2861
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:22,080
uh, code enforcement only.

2862
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:23,880
No, no, we talked about nuisance fees.

2863
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,120
No, we did not. We It was never It was

2864
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:27,640
never brought forward at all. We did

2865
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:30,000
talk about code enforcement. We did talk

2866
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,200
about police and all of that, but the

2867
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:32,640
fee was not

2868
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,040
directly nuisance You know, I don't I I

2869
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:36,920
don't think ever you should have a split

2870
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:39,480
different fee for one department than

2871
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:41,240
there's the other. It's based on the

2872
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:43,160
cost of operation.

2873
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:45,280
Why would the cost of operation for

2874
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:46,800
nuisance be any different than code

2875
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,520
enforcement? So, them being grouped in

2876
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:52,000
just because they're under OGS and and

2877
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,560
building department being all over here

2878
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:55,800
in City Hall

2879
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,520
is is uh

2880
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,120
Well, at that time we were doing Yeah.

2881
02:02:59,120 --> 02:03:00,760
At that time we were going department to

2882
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,760
department so to kind of

2883
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:04,840
look at the fees and

2884
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:06,000
correct them.

2885
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:07,960
So, we can do it. I reached out to you

2886
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:09,240
and we can we can come

2887
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:10,560
>> absolutely. And we did that for the code

2888
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,840
enforcement only. I

2889
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:14,640
And come up with a with a new fee

2890
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:16,080
structure for

2891
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:17,640
the ones that we missed Yeah,

2892
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:19,000
absolutely. the last 2 years and we can

2893
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,760
correct it. I I I think

2894
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:22,640
what I'm looking at is proposing an

2895
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:24,920
entire

2896
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:27,120
a tiered system for

2897
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:29,160
enforcement for, you know, hopefully

2898
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:31,240
that a you know,

2899
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:32,920
a first tier would be like an

2900
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:34,840
administrative fee, the second tier

2901
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,400
would be the administrative fee plus

2902
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,040
a fine on top, third tier, you know,

2903
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,520
each violation in the 18-month period

2904
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:46,680
would would would go up on a property

2905
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:48,640
that was not complying so we can

2906
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:51,880
actually start to gain compliance.

2907
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:53,560
Um, I see too many people come in and

2908
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,360
just pay the admin fees and and you

2909
02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:58,000
know, they know their tenants are doing

2910
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,640
wrong. We want them to manage their

2911
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:01,680
properties and that's we want good

2912
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:05,120
property managers out there. Um,

2913
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:07,560
and secondary to that, I see a lot of

2914
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:10,000
landlords that were um

2915
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:10,600
uh,

2916
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:13,560
issued violations for what their tenants

2917
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:16,800
put out. So, so they're they're the ones

2918
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,360
paying the violations for, you know, So,

2919
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:21,480
we we really have to have education for

2920
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:23,960
the landlords and you know, the

2921
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:26,360
single-family homes here in this program

2922
02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:28,560
to be successful.

2923
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,440
So, so let's let's discuss that and we

2924
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:31,520
can

2925
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:32,920
discuss that and then I'll bring it to

2926
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:34,880
the council and discuss and move forward

2927
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:36,760
with amending the fees for the Let's do

2928
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:38,840
some lunch. We can all sit down and have

2929
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:40,600
lunch. What time is it?

2930
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:42,400
That would be a great idea. Yes. So,

2931
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,120
I'll meet with you, Mr. O'Brien, Mr.

2932
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:46,160
Wiggins, and then Mr. Ingram.

2933
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,160
Um, I just think the language needs to

2934
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:51,000
be clear because summer is much shorter

2935
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:52,800
than winter and we do have a lot of

2936
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:53,960
seniors that have to put out their

2937
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,120
garbage. And we had a gentleman that

2938
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:58,480
just came to the council last week where

2939
02:04:58,480 --> 02:04:59,880
in the wintertime he can't get to his

2940
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:02,000
garbage cans. So, I think everything

2941
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,200
needs to be clear and followed so that

2942
02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:08,280
we're not only recognizing

2943
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:09,080
um

2944
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:11,320
our youth and middle age, we also have

2945
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:16,470
to consider our seasons.

2946
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,200
Individuals where they have to put their

2947
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:19,920
garbage out and be considerate of of

2948
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:21,840
them also. Yeah.

2949
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:22,880
Mr. Ingram.

2950
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:24,880
So, I think the the discussion has been

2951
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:27,440
very productive. I just think we've gone

2952
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:28,840
Not to your respect, Mr. Lund, we've

2953
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:32,120
gone way full circle. To well put.

2954
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:33,720
So, I think that, you know, for the

2955
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:36,000
remainder of the year past June 14th, we

2956
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,720
have to do something with bulk. We can't

2957
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:40,080
go back to

2958
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,600
like we are now collecting everything.

2959
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:44,080
So, if we were to implement a 45-gallon

2960
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:45,200
can,

2961
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:47,040
if that's, you know, 45-gallon can is a

2962
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:49,240
45-gallon can, that's what you get. You

2963
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:50,520
could put a smaller can out like the

2964
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:51,720
mayor said,

2965
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,040
but up to a 45-gallon can and then,

2966
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:56,360
you know, how whatever we decide on

2967
02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:58,640
bulk, if it's one, two, whatever, but I

2968
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:00,640
think for the rest of the the year, we

2969
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:02,880
have to decide that because

2970
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,160
like you said, it's not sustainable

2971
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:05,760
right now. And if we keep going down

2972
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:07,120
that road, it's just going to keep

2973
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:08,880
getting worse and worse and worse. So,

2974
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,680
then if we were talking in 2027 to make

2975
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:13,520
these radical changes, I think that's

2976
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,120
great, but I think for the the current

2977
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:18,080
time period and the schedule that Mr.

2978
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:19,960
O'Brien outlined, we need to make a

2979
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:21,600
recommendation for that just so that

2980
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:23,800
we're ready for June 15th after the

2981
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:24,920
deadline.

2982
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:27,640
Mr. And I currently apologize Mr. Turner

2983
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:30,080
for patiently waiting.

2984
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:34,150
for a chance

2985
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:35,920
I've said this before, we have one time

2986
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,800
to do it right and we're going to do it

2987
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:40,080
right. I I firmly believe that. So, I

2988
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:41,920
don't think we need any numbers in 2

2989
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,720
weeks and and

2990
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:46,120
I personally appreciate everything that

2991
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:48,320
you're working on and doing. It can't be

2992
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,920
easy on top of all your other

2993
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:53,600
jobs that you have to do. So, I I I

2994
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:55,120
think we need to just slow it down a

2995
02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:56,440
little bit if we're not even thinking

2996
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:59,640
about implementing anything until 2027.

2997
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,600
Get the numbers right

2998
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:03,240
once and for all. Do it once and for

2999
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:04,760
all.

3000
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:08,630
And again, I agree with Mr.

3001
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,280
Payton, yes.

3002
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:11,080
Um,

3003
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:14,757
the fact that we really

3004
02:07:14,767 --> 02:07:16,320
» [laughter]

3005
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:19,200
>> that it's not sustainable to pick up all

3006
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,680
this bulk moving forward and

3007
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,720
from June on, I don't think we should

3008
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:26,080
rescind it at any point

3009
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:28,040
for the rest of the year. We have time

3010
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:29,400
to talk about it how, you know,

3011
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:31,560
especially we need to address the bulk.

3012
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,440
So, we really need to

3013
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:36,040
besides the 45-gallon can and the two

3014
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:39,040
cans or even three cans should should

3015
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,760
different buildings want.

3016
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:42,120
Again, what they're going to pay for to

3017
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:44,480
pick it all up. So, I think we I don't

3018
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:46,760
think we should rescind that at all.

3019
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:49,040
Um, I know we'll have a lot of extra

3020
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,320
trash

3021
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:52,160
when we go to pick up cans that

3022
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:53,719
residents are using now and on

3023
02:07:53,719 --> 02:07:56,240
appropriate on the tops or whatever. And

3024
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:57,920
I know when one of my cans breaks, I

3025
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,480
always have to put a sign on it, "Please

3026
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:01,080
take the can." So,

3027
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:02,520
um, those are my just that, you know,

3028
02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:03,640
again, I I

3029
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:05,680
want to reiterate the fact that

3030
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,880
we want to do it right and and we're on

3031
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:11,200
a we're on a very clear path, I believe.

3032
02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:13,120
Mr. Ingram. I'm sorry.

3033
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:15,280
I assume the council has

3034
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:18,320
asked come to agreement on the bulk

3035
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:21,880
items of picking up two bulk items once

3036
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:23,080
a month.

3037
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,160
Is that

3038
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:25,360
That's what I heard.

3039
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:27,640
So, it's my concern with that is

3040
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:31,320
how do you communicate that to the public where we're now

3041
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:33,160
restricting it, putting it on certain

3042
02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:35,640
days, if there's a process for how we

3043
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:37,040
can properly inform the community

3044
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:38,800
because I imagine on top of not having

3045
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:39,760
that

3046
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:42,480
software, that CTG software, now CTG

3047
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:43,920
software now,

3048
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,480
that is

3049
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:47,240
on top of everything else burdening your

3050
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,600
staff more. So, could you even

3051
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,400
enforce that? Well, got to answer. I

3052
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:53,640
know confidently you couldn't. So, if we

3053
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,360
continue throughout the year limiting it

3054
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,640
to one per pickup, I think that

3055
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:59,920
streamlines it and then the new year we

3056
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:01,760
can roll out as aggressive as an

3057
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:03,480
approach. I I agree with that limiting

3058
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:05,720
it to two per month.

3059
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:07,720
Okay.

3060
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:09,720
I'm sorry. Go ahead. I I I was just

3061
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:11,280
going to say and and I don't know if

3062
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:12,280
this

3063
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:14,520
rolling around the thought here that our

3064
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:17,990
qualifying garbage

3065
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:20,680
and instead of in this year

3066
02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:22,600
we you know implementing the second

3067
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:25,080
tier, I don't know is it possible to

3068
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:27,080
open up the sticker program for the rest

3069
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:30,560
of the year to to address the additional

3070
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:32,520
bulk items

3071
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:34,040
for

3072
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:38,720
those properties and say hey, we've got a plethora of stickers to to

3073
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:41,120
give out and if it it would help us get

3074
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:42,920
rid of these stickers also. So, I don't

3075
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:44,920
know you know, that's

3076
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:47,680
an idea that anybody's welcome to

3077
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:50,000
Mr. Evans. I just think it is important

3078
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,840
to get the numbers because the council

3079
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:53,480
president asked for the numbers weeks

3080
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:56,000
ago. And I think that any department

3081
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,480
that we ask for numbers or anything

3082
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:00,520
from, I think the council deserves it.

3083
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:02,560
No, you're 100% right. I do apologize.

3084
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:04,920
The the numbers are in the budget. So,

3085
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:07,160
if you look at the budget is what we

3086
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:09,840
budgeted for and and the only numbers

3087
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:11,800
that really don't have is what we've

3088
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:15,360
spent this year. All right, so

3089
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,840
it it it's hard to quantify

3090
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,000
it it's all it's all fluid right here

3091
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,800
because we don't know what comes from

3092
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:25,400
your house, your house, your house, your house, right? So, we're

3093
02:10:25,400 --> 02:10:27,960
you're all charged the same. So, I can't

3094
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:32,040
say that I'm going to predict that

3095
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:34,760
30% are going to want this bulk item

3096
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:36,640
program. I don't know what that number

3097
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:39,840
is actually going to be, right?

3098
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,000
We don't collect data on everybody's

3099
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,240
household. So, it's hard to say

3100
02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:47,720
this is what the number's going to

3101
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:50,080
This is the exact number that you have

3102
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:54,360
to charge to the second tier.

3103
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:55,480
Do you understand? I understand what

3104
02:10:55,480 --> 02:10:57,320
you're saying, but just like a just a

3105
02:10:57,320 --> 02:10:59,360
little demo of something that you was

3106
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,160
going to get us in two weeks, that's a

3107
02:11:01,160 --> 02:11:03,120
start. I will give it to you. Thank you.

3108
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:06,390
Mr. Mayor.

3109
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:08,480
What numbers are you looking for? So,

3110
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:11,440
what if the one in can cost

3111
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:14,600
other factors and looking to how to do

3112
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:18,240
this as simple as possible starting off

3113
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:20,760
is to

3114
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:22,480
again the council has to set the

3115
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:23,840
quantity

3116
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,320
and whatever you do with the bulk items,

3117
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:29,400
is it one to two, whatever, but put

3118
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:30,875
those basic parameters in

3119
02:11:30,875 --> 02:11:32,600
[clears throat] place and then we're in

3120
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:35,960
a much better position to do some of the

3121
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:39,480
estimates and extrapolation in terms of

3122
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:43,400
actual cost and there is the factor

3123
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:45,480
ideally if everybody

3124
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,360
got the cans

3125
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:50,360
it does increase the amount of time

3126
02:11:50,360 --> 02:11:51,440
that's going to take to pick up the

3127
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:53,360
garbage because you got to go pick up

3128
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:55,600
the can, bring it to the truck and then

3129
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:58,400
bring it back where today with the bags

3130
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,200
they can bring it directly to the truck,

3131
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:02,280
drop it and then move on.

3132
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:03,120
And

3133
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:05,160
those numbers

3134
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:07,000
there's really no good way to do an

3135
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:09,720
estimate.

3136
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:11,560
But so let's say respectfully didn't

3137
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:13,800
send a few emails, one of which this

3138
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:16,320
morning just outlining the parameters

3139
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:19,000
where around the tier one, tier two cost

3140
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:21,120
structure, the amount of tonnage tonnage

3141
02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:22,800
that we expect

3142
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:25,640
and then the gaps and projections for

3143
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,520
fiscal year 2027. And unfortunately

3144
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:30,000
those were not received. Now, I think at

3145
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,480
these conversations we can either harp

3146
02:12:31,480 --> 02:12:33,360
on what we don't have or proceed forward

3147
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:34,440
with what we do. And I think the

3148
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:35,840
conversations tonight were still

3149
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,720
extremely valuable. I think being in the

3150
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:40,120
committee, not discrediting all the

3151
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:42,280
other voices, we do have to progress

3152
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:43,920
forward. This meeting does have to end

3153
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,120
tonight.

3154
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:47,720
I would say

3155
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:49,160
Mr. Lon, you've been incredibly

3156
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:52,040
detailed. I appreciate your time.

3157
02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:53,480
But I would say consider to just the

3158
02:12:53,480 --> 02:12:55,200
members of the committee

3159
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:56,920
what are we comfortable proceeding with?

3160
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:58,640
And I would say my recommendation is to

3161
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:00,800
Mr. O'Brien's earlier point building

3162
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:03,880
that draft language for consideration. I

3163
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:06,120
think building upon Mr. Muveran's point

3164
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:09,280
of also preparing to resend the bulk

3165
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,800
sticker program. Mr. Lon, I don't think

3166
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:13,160
that would fall favorably on anyone to

3167
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:14,520
extend it.

3168
02:13:14,520 --> 02:13:15,720
Even if we're trying to get rid of get

3169
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:17,040
rid of the stickers, that is my personal

3170
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:20,040
opinion. I'm welcome anyone else's. But

3171
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,920
sincerely, I believe the community is

3172
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:24,600
going to want to see what those cost

3173
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:26,480
projections look like

3174
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:27,840
regardless of our confidence and then

3175
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:29,000
because this is a consideration they're

3176
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:30,400
going to have to make.

3177
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,440
And then what that protects us with is

3178
02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:33,520
then for our future budget

3179
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:36,520
conversations, a lot of what has held up

3180
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:37,920
increases in fees has just been our

3181
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,000
confidence in the program. And if we can

3182
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:41,640
confidently

3183
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:44,560
renovate or update this policy, I think

3184
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:45,920
that then puts us in a better space to

3185
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:47,080
understand all right, what are the

3186
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:48,440
conversations going to look like in

3187
02:13:48,440 --> 02:13:51,800
October and November ahead of time.

3188
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:53,920
Mr. Muveran. Just to summarize and I

3189
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:55,920
appreciate uh the committee for this.

3190
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:57,400
So,

3191
02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:00,040
prior discussion we were talking about

3192
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:02,680
allow two bulk items per week

3193
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:03,640
or

3194
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:04,840
per month.

3195
02:14:04,840 --> 02:14:07,200
And then we talked about the manpower.

3196
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:09,360
So, if I were to put out across the city

3197
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:12,000
two items every household one time per

3198
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:14,040
month

3199
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,640
the manpower behind that versus putting

3200
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:19,440
in two items every

3201
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,400
pickup cycle

3202
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:23,000
wherever it is free.

3203
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:23,760
It's

3204
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,240
hard to say because bulk items are are

3205
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:28,800
so different, you know, from a couch to

3206
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,120
a vacuum cleaner, you know, and so hard

3207
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:33,200
to say. I think the

3208
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:34,920
mayor keyed on the

3209
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:36,960
a key point of

3210
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:38,480
garbage is going to slow down when we go

3211
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:41,000
to a dedicated can. With the 45 gallon

3212
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:43,600
can, they're heavier. My guys are used

3213
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:46,560
to winging bags, you know, and and

3214
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:48,640
throwing the bags in the lighter cans.

3215
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:50,520
And when we go to a heavier,

3216
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:53,280
more durable, more reliable can,

3217
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:55,000
we are going to see garbage

3218
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:56,640
slow down which is going to drive up the

3219
02:14:56,640 --> 02:14:59,560
cost of operation. So, well, how how

3220
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:01,280
long it's going to take extra, I don't

3221
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,240
know. How many more people we have to

3222
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:05,920
put on the route? But you know, these

3223
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:07,240
are all things that you know, are

3224
02:15:07,240 --> 02:15:09,360
variables that will lead into like I

3225
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:10,600
said it

3226
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:11,760
you know, having [snorts]

3227
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,280
shooting a reasonable number that that

3228
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,440
works for us and the public and then

3229
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:19,520
having a dedicated fund for those over

3230
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:21,720
you know, let's shoot a little high and

3231
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:23,760
then you know, if it's in the dedicated

3232
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:26,600
funds the money goes to rolls over to

3233
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:28,800
the next year to

3234
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:30,840
supplement that department.

3235
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:33,280
So, I'm good with that. So,

3236
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:34,840
we have the the agreement that we can

3237
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:37,760
move forward two bulk items per month

3238
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:38,760
and then anything over that is a

3239
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:40,600
violation. We're going to need to work

3240
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:43,240
with corporation council to what what

3241
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:45,280
that violation fee is attached to that

3242
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:47,680
at that point if you go over your two

3243
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:50,120
bulk item per month and then stick with

3244
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:54,520
a 45 gallon dedicated can and with with

3245
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:55,480
a limit.

3246
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:57,520
And I think on the tier one which is

3247
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,440
basic like we get charged right now,

3248
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,760
tier two is added charge. So, that's

3249
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:03,360
what they're focusing on the fee for the

3250
02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:05,920
tier the tier two. Tier one is my

3251
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:07,760
understanding that will be the basic

3252
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:08,920
fee.

3253
02:16:08,920 --> 02:16:11,440
Every year up or down this highway every

3254
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:13,440
week is. So, I think

3255
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:15,600
we need to narrow this down and simplify

3256
02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:17,280
the fee that we're asking for is tier

3257
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:21,000
two. And if we're going to agree to two

3258
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:23,520
bulk item per month and then if there if

3259
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,680
there's a violation on that then

3260
02:16:25,680 --> 02:16:27,520
we need to work with corporation council

3261
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:29,760
to agree on a fee and I you know, that

3262
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,560
could come from

3263
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:33,599
you based on you know, your field work,

3264
02:16:33,599 --> 02:16:34,760
how do you what you think is a

3265
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:36,719
reasonable fee in terms of that that

3266
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:39,760
violation and the administrative costs

3267
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,120
for that waste to collect. The best for

3268
02:16:42,120 --> 02:16:43,719
the public is you know, like I said

3269
02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:45,599
having AI technology [clears throat]

3270
02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:49,440
notify that that is a violation and we

3271
02:16:49,440 --> 02:16:51,240
pick it up at the time we see the

3272
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:54,519
violation. If we have to go back and

3273
02:16:54,519 --> 02:16:56,880
send a separate truck like we were doing

3274
02:16:56,880 --> 02:17:00,080
under the sticker program the cost of

3275
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:02,440
enforcing it goes Double cost, yes.

3276
02:17:02,440 --> 02:17:04,679
Doubles the cost. So, I agree with that.

3277
02:17:04,679 --> 02:17:06,200
Mr. Mayor.

3278
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:07,880
The other component I would submit to

3279
02:17:07,880 --> 02:17:11,719
the council for your consideration is

3280
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:14,240
to what what Mr. O'Brien outlined is

3281
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:16,280
changing the code and there's a it's a

3282
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:20,040
new more cumbersome process to do that.

3283
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:22,000
Within those changes and we've done it

3284
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,360
in other areas of the code

3285
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:27,200
where if you want to change the fee or

3286
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,080
change one item, you can do it by

3287
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:32,160
resolution.

3288
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,760
So, that the code

3289
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:38,400
99% of it is fixed in law and if you

3290
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:39,559
want to change it you got to do the

3291
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:41,200
public hearing, you got to do the public

3292
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:42,840
notice, you got to do it. But if you're

3293
02:17:42,840 --> 02:17:44,519
changing

3294
02:17:44,519 --> 02:17:47,200
one small component of it you can do

3295
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:49,200
that by resolution and it builds

3296
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:50,840
flexibility in it. So, if we get down

3297
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:52,639
the road, some of this you might want to

3298
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:54,200
increase the number or you might want to

3299
02:17:54,200 --> 02:17:57,320
decrease the number and to do it again

3300
02:17:57,320 --> 02:17:59,679
in the most expedited manner and one

3301
02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:02,599
that simple and straightforward.

3302
02:18:02,599 --> 02:18:04,599
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Sears, Mr.

3303
02:18:04,599 --> 02:18:07,719
Andrew. So, just quick based on what

3304
02:18:07,719 --> 02:18:08,639
I've heard the mayor say for the last

3305
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:09,920
two months and see what you guys would

3306
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,240
you guys be comfortable with the six,

3307
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:13,480
seven bags you would quantify that and

3308
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:15,280
that's I'm just me myself and you saying

3309
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,280
six or seven like that, but six or seven

3310
02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:18,760
bags

3311
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:20,599
would be manageable for you guys to get

3312
02:18:20,599 --> 02:18:22,440
that done as long with the two bulk

3313
02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:24,639
items and also Lon had spoke about the

3314
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:25,880
time bringing right you guys are the

3315
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:27,240
only ones that have to get the job done,

3316
02:18:27,240 --> 02:18:28,920
you don't get to come back the next day.

3317
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:31,160
Would that be manageable or do you feel

3318
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:32,960
that that would be

3319
02:18:32,960 --> 02:18:34,160
too much? Well, I'm just saying you

3320
02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:35,480
know, obviously everyone I agree with

3321
02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:37,559
putting out six or seven bags.

3322
02:18:37,559 --> 02:18:38,920
Thank you.

3323
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:41,080
Mr. Andrew. I am in agreement with you,

3324
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:42,840
Mr. Muveran. If we go to two bulk items

3325
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:45,440
a month in a 45 gallon can, I think

3326
02:18:45,440 --> 02:18:48,240
again if we stick to simple for now and

3327
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,120
then we can roll out

3328
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:51,240
the increased fee schedule by

3329
02:18:51,240 --> 02:18:53,960
resolution, that at least helps get our

3330
02:18:53,960 --> 02:18:56,080
guys on board. It starts the process and

3331
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:58,000
we can move forward.

3332
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:58,246
Yes.

3333
02:18:58,246 --> 02:18:58,880
>> [snorts]

3334
02:18:58,880 --> 02:18:59,555
>> Perfect.

3335
02:18:59,555 --> 02:18:59,880
>> [clears throat]

3336
02:18:59,880 --> 02:19:01,920
>> So, is that a motion?

3337
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,519
for what?

3338
02:19:04,519 --> 02:19:05,519
Well, not motion, but how we're going to

3339
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:08,200
proceed. So, Is that interpreted by Mr.

3340
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:09,880
Walsh?

3341
02:19:09,880 --> 02:19:12,280
It gives Yes.

3342
02:19:12,280 --> 02:19:14,480
The the commissioner

3343
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:18,440
and legal, the framework in which to start drafting

3344
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:19,599
the ordinance.

3345
02:19:19,599 --> 02:19:21,760
Perfect. Sorry. Expectation is to have

3346
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:23,559
that back at council for 2 weeks.

3347
02:19:23,559 --> 02:19:25,120
>> 2 weeks, we'll have a working draft for

3348
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:27,200
you. And at that point, you can tweak

3349
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:30,280
it, change it, and then at that time you

3350
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:32,040
can call for the public hearing for

3351
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,240
March 26th

3352
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,760
at the council meeting of March 7th.

3353
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:38,800
Perfect. Mr. Ingram? Just to add to

3354
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:40,920
that,

3355
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:42,160
other members in the committee, I think

3356
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:43,760
we should put in there has to have a

3357
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:46,559
lid. Um Kevin, must have a lid, yes.

3358
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:48,120
Must have a lid. The garbage must be in

3359
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:50,880
bags. The lid must be attached. Um I

3360
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:53,040
don't know how you feel about wheels.

3361
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:54,640
Um

3362
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:55,640
Well,

3363
02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:56,720
but

3364
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:58,720
most of most of these cans come with

3365
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:01,200
wheels, but sometimes accident may

3366
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:02,800
occur.

3367
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:03,960
But that I think definitely a lid

3368
02:20:03,960 --> 02:20:05,280
attached and definitely the garbage has

3369
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:09,510
to be in bags in the can.

3370
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:10,960
Yes. Also, that will be a grab. But

3371
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:12,320
whatever we're discussing here, this is

3372
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:14,680
only for one unit. So, if there's a

3373
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:16,440
two-unit, you're allowed four bulk

3374
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:19,520
items, two cans for garbage, solid

3375
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:21,560
waste, one for recycling. and two for

3376
02:20:21,560 --> 02:20:23,040
recycling. Correct. So, we might want to

3377
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,000
capture that in the in the drawing.

3378
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,320
Right. Yes.

3379
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:28,960
Perfect. There are no other questions. I

3380
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:31,440
think this is good.

3381
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:32,960
Heading in the right direction.

3382
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,160
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Walsh. Thank you.

3383
02:20:35,160 --> 02:20:36,680
sir. Yeah, thank you. Get her

3384
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:37,760
to sit down if anyone has another

3385
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:39,720
question.

3386
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:41,160
Thank you, Chris. Thanks, Chris. Thank

3387
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:42,400
you. I will will talk to you guys on the

3388
02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:43,880
fee structure.

3389
02:20:43,880 --> 02:20:45,640
The next item is a reminder to amend

3390
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:47,840
section 9-2 of this county code to

3391
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,720
increase the membership of the downtown

3392
02:20:49,720 --> 02:20:51,800
special the assessment district board

3393
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:54,160
from 9 to 15 members and to amend such

3394
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,800
membership qualifications. There will be

3395
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:59,920
a public hearing on April 27th, 2026.

3396
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:01,880
Any questions, comments?

3397
02:21:01,880 --> 02:21:03,120
Hearing none,

3398
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:05,600
uh the last two items, I believe, are

3399
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,200
for executive session. However, I do

3400
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:09,600
want to clarify item number seven just

3401
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:11,960
identifies proposed settlement. I just

3402
02:21:11,960 --> 02:21:13,680
wanted to expand that is a settlement

3403
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:14,960
involving

3404
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:17,840
um Andre Porter.

3405
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,600
Uh corporation counsel is not here to

3406
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:20,800
tell you and to explain that any

3407
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:23,440
further.

3408
02:21:23,440 --> 02:21:25,520
I mean, but that that is a settlement

3409
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:26,800
with Andre Porter.

3410
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:27,640
Is that

3411
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:32,870
executive session?

3412
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:34,440
Is there a motion to go into executive

3413
02:21:34,440 --> 02:21:36,040
session?

3414
02:21:36,040 --> 02:21:37,800
So, we're going to wait for them to

3415
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:39,680
validate that they can. Okay. So, at

3416
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:41,400
this moment, I'll entertain a motion to

3417
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:43,880
enter executive session. So Second.

3418
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:46,040
All in favor? Aye. Hearing

3419
02:21:46,040 --> 02:21:47,400
executive session, members of the public

3420
02:21:47,400 --> 02:21:55,088
will have to

3421
02:21:55,098 --> 02:22:05,633
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