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» It's fine.

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Good evening everyone.

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Thanks for coming.

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Glad to see everyone's doing well.

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» All right, we got to get started. Um,

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first thing, can everyone introduce

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theirel?

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» I'm Amanda.

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begin.

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>> I'm Amanda Yoda. I am a committee

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member.

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>> Monica Cook. I'm a real estate agent

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against city council, chair of the

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housing task force.

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>> M the city clerk,

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>> Carlen Andress,

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>> uh Lamar Council, originally from New

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York City and been here for a decade.

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Just trying to use my expertise to help

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out.

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>> Substance abuse counselor, choice

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recovery center, reintegration service

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coordinator.

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>> Sean Ryan, city assistant city operating

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council.

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» All right. I I'm I'm calling this

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meeting of the housing task house

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housing stability task force to order.

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I'm Kim Wiggins, chair. Thank you all

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for being here

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and for the work you do every day in the

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housing field.

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Okay, our agenda,

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we're going to recap over the April 10th

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um April 10th meeting

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reaffirming the expectations of this um

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meeting

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um professionalism

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and focused participation.

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Member assignment reports. Presentation

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of members updates including assigned

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focus areas. Key findings data and or

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identified challenges. Blend

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preliminary recommendations.

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Invite speaker

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identifying what we bring to the table

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next. Actions items and adjournments.

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Okay. We're going to start with um two

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members want to talk about

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the information that was

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[snorts]

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for my last meeting the assignment

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everyone had. Want to start with you?

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>> Okay. So this information I obtained

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from a current um

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child protective services worker who's

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worked there for 36 years and he used to

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do the after hours pager to place

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individuals who needed housing after

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hours and this was the information that

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he provided to me. Um, okay. So, hotels

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are typically used only after available

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placements at local facilities have been

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fully exhausted, such as the Skenctity

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Mission, which houses single males. The

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Booth Home um houses single women, and

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the YWCA houses women and children. Um,

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but it's the hotels in the area are not

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just specific to Skenctity County. Other

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counties can call in like Albany. um to

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see if area hotels have um vacancies for

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them and it's basically due to capacity

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um and they fill up fast. Um and the

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hotels that he provided he said the

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Imperial Motel is being used to house

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single males, occasionally couples and

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individuals with sex offender status.

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the Empire Motel, the Skenctity in, the

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Belvadier, and the Executive Inn are

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generally used um to accommodate couples

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with children, women with children, and

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single females. Um but he did indicate

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that definitely the Department of Social

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Services has more in-depth stats that

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they could definitely provide, but

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that's what he gave me on.

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questions that we we asked uh

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uh Brandy Hillard Balden about from DSS

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and I have my own questions. I wanted to

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know specifically because they were what

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the point was referenced here. What what

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were the basic reasons for evictions?

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and she told me the majority of

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evictions are non-payment. They also

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have landlords, she said that will call

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quote on themselves, which is new to me,

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uh in order to circumvent the eviction

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process. Um and she they would call po

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call because they had something that

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they knew code would not pass and then

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they would code would issue an order of

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vacate. That solved their problem. They

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got pretend to tell they didn't have to

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pay a lawyer and uh and then they would

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leave the apartment vacant. And I I for

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I neglected to say when we all were in

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shooting. So I own a property management

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company and my business is housing and

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leasing and working with tenants and

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landlords. So this is new to me that I

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had no idea this was done.

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prevalent. Um,

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I guess I want the better landlords than

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ever. [clears throat]

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play in the inspection of the

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facilities? And uh, Miss Helard Bolan

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told us that no role played. She said if

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there's an issue, we will notify them

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and they will come out when needed. This

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does not often happen often. So, I

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believe DSS must This still doesn't

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answer all the questions. How often does

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DSS go in there and actually do

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inspections themselves? That I don't

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know. Are there And I asked, are there

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ongoing periodic pest control treatments

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at these motel? She said, yes,

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that, but pointing to this

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terrific

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point of contract a contact for motel

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residents to lodge concerns or

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complaints? I'm referring I'm referring

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to residents who feel that they've been

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mistreated slash disrespected or that

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the level of customer service they are

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experiencing is not equal to that of

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someone who might check into a hotel on

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a self-pay basis. and she said yes, they

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have two investigators that go out

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weekly in the evenings to the motel

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hotels to touch base with the recipients

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and receive complaints/ concerns that

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they may not have been comfortable

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sharing with a hotel motel staff. And

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she said DSSM follows up on those

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concerns to touch base with the

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recipient to close the loop. And she

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said she follows this process closely.

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And those were my questions in addition

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to the ones that Kim had. And Kim,

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you've got your own stuff that you you

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asked her about the hotel utilized, the

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stay, the reasons for the causes of

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homelessness,

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who conducts the inspections.

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to be asked and to be answered.

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» I'm going come back around. Okay.

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>> Oh, you didn't have anything else?

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>> Go ahead. Okay. I got something else.

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>> I do. Are you ready?

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>> Oh, okay. Um I just want to, you know,

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just do a little summary of the eviction

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data I got from Princeton University.

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And um uh they said come back if you um

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need more data on the um eviction and um

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other legal uh case that's going on in

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the uh housing court. It's connecting

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city court. Um it covers uh cases from

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2017 through 2025. But um let's go over

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the key findings.

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Uh one of the key findings I found was

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the um high volume of nonpaint cases. Uh

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the most alarming figure in the uh sheet

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is from um December 2017

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uh which is um the cases were 1,122

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of non-payment cases which these are

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cold months and um Christmas uh holiday

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month. So that that was disturbing to me

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and it was um in 2022

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uh the numbers were around maybe two 300

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non-payment cases but came October it

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rises to 419

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and it just constantly rise and um just

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saw a pattern repeatedly um um exceeding

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200 cases of nonpayment.

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widespread issue of tenants unable to

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meet their rent obligations

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and um other legal uh proceedings were

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hold over cases

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hold over cases were substantial as

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well. Uh for instance in December 2022

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there were 151 hold over cases.

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>> What do you mean by holdover?

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tenants uh lease expires then um the uh

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landlord wants a possession of the uh

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property back sometime the tenants

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monthto month and um

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sometime one year lease uh from my

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experience they only give you month

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>> state is only supposed to land

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year leases

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um but a lot of depend month on month

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the tenant at any time.

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not familiar with that.

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sorry.

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>> Yeah. All right. In some months, the

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hold over cases reached uh over 100

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where the landlord wants his property

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back since the tenants lease it has

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expired and doesn't want to renew it.

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just um while I was looking over the

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data, the the volume of cases fluctuated

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but remained constantly high over the

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years, especially in 2023 and in 2024.

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The numbers remain high with monthly

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non-payments uh frequently exceeding 300

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and hold over cases often surpassing 80

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and um I saw in August 2025 which is

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last year's uh there was cases of 448

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nonpayment cases

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uh this is uh in August and you know

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children trying to get back to school

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and um that um you know affects the

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children and it's um housing instability

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for them as it affects their school

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enrollment attendance

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and uh even their learning

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and um most times it's the causes of

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widespread economic challenges affecting

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families such as unemployment, low

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income and further ex excavated the

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difficulties of children attending

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school and um there was other cases

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Whereas article 7D where the tenants um

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well was just a single margin not much

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cases cuz uh this is when the tenant

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could uh start legal proceedings on the

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land but not being a compliance with

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like not doing repairs

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maybe um um just rent heights for no

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reason and not updating the uh property

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and um any harassment. the tenant feels

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the landlord is doing. Uh there's been

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like um only maybe three, four, six

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cases. If you go look uh do out in here

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in the uh chart, that's probably because

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of tenants lack awareness of their

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rights, unable to afford uh legal fees

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or court course and um just not having

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um um a shortage of legal aid lawyers to

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defend them and don't have the money to

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or pay attorney. And just a recap what I

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just uh went over. Uh there was over

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100,000 nonpayment cases in uh 2017 in

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the month of December

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and um

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and monthly nonpayment cases just

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exceeded 300 which peaked over 400 in

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the months of u uh 2022 and 2023.

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Those years were uh for non-payment

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cases

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and and during those uh years you've

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seen several months peing over 400

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non-payment cases uh consistently uh

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present or over 80 hold over cases

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monthly indicate ongoing legal disputes

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and in August 2025 there was a 448

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nonpending cases when kids are about to

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attend school and just in Um these figures to be um there's a

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pressing problem with tenants and non

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with non-payment um uh situations and

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sketches and the volume of cases

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especially non-payment highlights

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ongoing economic and social um um excuse

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me uh struggles faced by tenants and

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underscores the urgent need for this

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policy intervention and support system

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to address housing insecurity and at

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this moment.

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» No problem.

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>> Yeah.

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Thank you.

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» And I had talk. Did you have anything

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you wanted to say or share?

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>> I got to this. I'm just I'm listening

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though. I'm have

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>> Okay.

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All right. I had spoke to the

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commissioner. I spoke to her and sent

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her some questions and these were the

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answers to my question. Um, I asked her,

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"What was the longest that a family has stayed in a hotel shelter

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hotel/shelter

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before getting housed?" And her response

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was, "The longest we have housed a

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family is 2.5 years and that was a

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family of nine. The second largest was a

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family of 10, and that was two years."

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And I asked what were the requirements

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towards housing stability and job

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placement

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or and her reply was all re all

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recipients of the THAA has to comply

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with the regulations as defined by OTDA.

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There is not a one-sizefitit all to the

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questions as not everyone who gets THAA

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temporary assistance and

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um temporary assistance to the needy and

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elig elig eligible families.

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And I asked the second question, another

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question, what goals are in place to

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help people

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help get the people the clients

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self-sufficient?

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And she says, um DSS set goals for

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clients to become self-sufficient. And

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we refer to job programming and case

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management for apartment searches.

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I asked I also asked you know what was

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some incentives and they don't have

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incentives.

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Um, and I asked like what was the cap? I

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wanted to know like what is the length

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that they give people to get their act

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together and move forward or to see if

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people making progress to want to move

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forward and she said she didn't

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understand the question. So, I'll get

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back to her on that. Wow.

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>> Well, the thing about it is the

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requirements are changing with the new

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administration in place, right?

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>> [clears throat]

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>> the six-month rule is going into effect

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for housing and for food stamp. So,

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OTAA, they have to meet those

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requirements now. So, that's something

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that's coming into play and a lot of

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these consumers

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are not may not meet the eligibility

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requirement to get the support they need

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through DSS and OTAA.

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that comes from that you know it change

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it will have some sort of effect and it

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will change the numbers

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>> and I think that goes into effect in

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June

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>> in June

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>> I think so many things are going into

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effect I'm losing track of what is what

384
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>> yeah they're also doing a cut with um

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the food stamps what people can buy what

386
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they can't buy supposed to be all

387
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healthy stuff no soda

388
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>> no sugary stuff

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>> no sugary yeah So, a lot's going to change.

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>> I have a question for you. If you were

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able to come across it with your data,

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did is there any way to tell based on

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these data how many of these tenants

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have been evicted multiple times like

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maybe they were evicted in 2018 then in

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2021 and now we 2021 would have happened

397
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because of the THE. But then it's

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hypothetically spike and then 2024 are

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these numbers are they repeated tenants

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that is because there are some just like

401
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the landlord is doing these things.

402
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There are some tenants that have these

403
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habitual behavior and they will pay the

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first month rent and the deposit get

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into the apartment and live there and go

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through the whole process not pay a

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dime.

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So,

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>> kind of like abusing the system and

410
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taking advantage as well. So, there's

411
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that double-edged sword.

412
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>> Well, possibly they just couldn't afford

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it. I mean,

414
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>> I I helped a client of mine. Um, he's a cook and, you know, they started

415
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out as with good hours, then all a

416
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sudden they just sliced down his hours,

417
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but he just couldn't make up the rent.

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And then he called me to see if I could

419
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reach out to Pedesta House. There's a

420
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lot of red tape. So, we used to high ups

421
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and they were able to pay us back on,

422
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but um started a new job at another cook

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place at another restaurant. Same thing.

424
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And this time he wasn't able to um you

425
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know get the assistance with Pedesta

426
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House or any other could say cuz didn't

427
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have the funds and um now he's just uh

428
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living with his friend now.

429
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>> Well, that's that's the thing, right?

430
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Because people are barely making ends

431
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meet, especially with the utility cost

432
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and every other things that's going up.

433
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If you're barely making minimum wage,

434
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how are you supposed to survive when

435
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your rent is double your salary? I

436
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>> I don't know where electric bill comes

437
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where it's a,000,000

438
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or more cuz coming from New York, we we

439
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only pay about 300 maybe not even less

440
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than $300 an electric bill.

441
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that nobody has a large besides the

442
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person who owns a large ambience.

443
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» It would be interesting though to know

444
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how many of these people

445
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>> are, you know,

446
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have been evicted multiple times.

447
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>> But that's now you're getting into names

448
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:03,600
and personal information. I will look it

449
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up.

450
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Still have that information

451
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>> and they they kept it and now then I

452
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believe in 2019 when everything tenant

453
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protection act was uh passed

454
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[clears throat] that stopped but that you could see that here's

455
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>> the Jones family whatever

456
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,679
>> have been I wasn't really looking for

457
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specific I was just looking for like an

458
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average figure.

459
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>> Yeah. I don't know where that exists.

460
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,400
>> I didn't know if that's something they

461
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checked in the stats.

462
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,840
>> Yeah. I don't think the eviction lab

463
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would have that like people name like

464
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she just

465
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>> still have to keep track of names

466
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ultimately to know who was repetitive.

467
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,400
>> Yeah. They just keep track of numbers.

468
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,520
>> Yeah.

469
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,039
>> Okay. I have some um information cuz

470
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Jacqueline wasn't able to be with us

471
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tonight.

472
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Um he did some

473
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talking to her, you know, the clients

474
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that comes to food pantry or whatever

475
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and got some information from them.

476
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And um she was supposed to get us

477
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information about the various hotels and

478
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what people thought. And um 27 State

479
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Street

480
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um hotel is um very drug infested.

481
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um blatant prostitution, drama, lights

482
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almost every day, not clean. The

483
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executive end 759

484
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state

485
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um hotel is very strict. They're doing a

486
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good job of keeping the drugs out and no

487
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visitors allowed,

488
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not cleaning them.

489
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Um,

490
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Empire Empire Hotel 1616 stage fe

491
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um people are told these rule told she

492
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said people are told these rules in the

493
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um they're saying that it comes from DSS

494
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which they know better. Um, women and

495
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children have to vacate

496
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from the property at 10:00 a.m. until

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100 p.m. so the hotel can be clean.

498
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Summer or winter makes no difference.

499
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
>> Is this the hotel across from the OTB by

500
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itself?

501
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,600
>> Yes.

502
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,320
>> Okay. So, this I see going by I see this

503
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and they are there after 1:00. They're

504
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there at 3:00 in the afternoon, 4:00 in

505
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the afternoon. Dead of winter. I've

506
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,520
witnessed this myself. I always wonder

507
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,120
why they were there.

508
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,679
>> Yeah.

509
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,760
>> But they don't have a community room or

510
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,870
somewhere.

511
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,520
» But has that been reported to DSS? This

512
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is where where I asked if there was a a

513
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,720
point of contact that someone could call

514
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
and and let them know that this is going

515
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on.

516
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,600
>> Well, see, then there's also

517
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,200
maybe an enforcement issue. How much can

518
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,720
DSS do? they're paying the bills, but at

519
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,799
the same time,

520
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,799
maybe this might not be within their

521
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,480
scope.

522
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,159
So, it might this is where code

523
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:13,440
enforcement comes in.

524
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,679
>> Well, the other side of the coin is if

525
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:18,159
I'm paying for a room and I can check in

526
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,480
at 11:00 a.m. to 4 in the afternoon and

527
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,720
check out at 11:00, then where would it

528
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,640
be written if I were a suffocate that I

529
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,760
had to leave,

530
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,080
>> right,

531
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,240
>> for four hours? I'm paying for that four

532
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,760
hours.

533
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,640
>> I six hours, whatever it was. I agree.

534
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,760
But then

535
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,919
>> they're justifying it behind cleaning

536
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:39,039
the room and because what we stay at a

537
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,520
hotel, we put up our historic sign.

538
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,360
>> We don't want our room to be clean,

539
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,320
>> right? But if

540
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,679
>> Yeah. But they don't have that.

541
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:48,240
>> DSS is paying for these

542
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:55,200
>> residents to be in living at that that's their home temporarily. So I

543
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,200
don't feel that they should be uprooted

544
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,039
from where that where they call that

545
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,159
room to for anybody to clean their room.

546
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:03,679
They should be given towels. They should

547
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,919
be given sheets and they clean their own

548
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,799
room especially in the winter time.

549
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,070
>> I agree.

550
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,799
» I don't know how much DSS

551
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,919
my question would be was how much can

552
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:22,399
DSS assist with?

553
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:23,919
>> They're paying them. They should be able

554
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,000
to some. We have to find out who

555
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,799
>> then they should be got

556
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,080
be there for them.

557
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,360
>> But that's why I was asking if they have

558
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440
a community room or something because if

559
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760
you're doing this and I get it, you

560
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,000
know, you want you have to spray for bed

561
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000
bugs or you have to clean the bathroom

562
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320
or something like that. And I I

563
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,919
absolutely get it because it's part of

564
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,960
the services that they need to provide.

565
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,679
>> You cannot put people out in the cold,

566
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:51,519
right? So if you then you need to find

567
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,600
an alternative place or you take a room

568
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,760
and you convert it because you're

569
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,600
cleaning one room at a time and you have

570
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080
a whole room over so that this family

571
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,559
can go in and wait until the room is

572
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,240
finished. You have to find a workar

573
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,950
around and I'm looking at the spaghetti.

574
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,039
I just don't understand like how are

575
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,799
they able to use the food stamp to

576
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,960
provide a meal for them? That's the part

577
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,039
like it's mindboggling and I know that's

578
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,840
an O to that issue. That's not a but at

579
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
the same time it's like

580
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640
none of this this whole thing doesn't

581
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760
make sense to me as to how people are

582
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,159
>> you're paying you're using your food

583
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:33,919
stamp.

584
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,880
>> I think this is fraud. That's what I'm

585
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,720
thinking. But I don't know how they're

586
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,600
able to use

587
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,679
>> noing facilities in your room and now

588
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,600
your food seats are not going to go very

589
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,000
far at the local convenience store.

590
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080
>> But they're charging the food stamp to

591
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,000
provide spaghetti meals.

592
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,840
>> Yeah, I don't understand.

593
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,919
>> You know, I get that the um they're

594
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,039
getting a voucher.

595
00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,000
>> We're going to move on. Um the skity end

596
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360
at 167. Um no, well, we just had that

597
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,080
conversation right there. Um the um

598
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,399
Skenctity N or 67 N Street. Um the hotel

599
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:14,320
is clean and is and is inspected two

600
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
times a year by DSS.

601
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,919
Um never put the kids out and there is a

602
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:23,840
8:30 curfew.

603
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,799
No food offer cash or food stamp shoes

604
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:32,230
for the restaurant or give toilet paper.

605
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,080
So they don't give toilet paper. I guess

606
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,679
they have to buy their own toilet paper,

607
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:38,080
buy their own food or whatever. And

608
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,799
housekeeping is there once a week. You

609
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,360
said once a week. Yeah. Housekeeping

610
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,039
once a week.

611
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,070
>> Mhm.

612
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,559
The state end 921 State Street, no

613
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:56,559
problems. Imperial end said it's said to

614
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,159
be the worst.

615
00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:02,640
>> Where is that? Then pero is um upper

616
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,760
stage upper stage state the family

617
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,760
dollar and the

618
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,480
>> libraries.

619
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,679
>> Oh, okay.

620
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,280
>> Um

621
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,560
state and twins is better.

622
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,000
Um, America's best executive end, bed

623
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,159
bugs, skinkity end, reports of bed bugs,

624
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,800
infested rooms so bad that the children

625
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
in the room get bit up so badly that the

626
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,240
parents have photos. Heavy drug use,

627
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:31,760
passing of drugs in front of the

628
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,240
people's rooms, random people banging on

629
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:41,510
the doors, prostitution and roaches.

630
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,280
Domest domestic violence reports, door

631
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,000
locks broken. When asked for repairs, it

632
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,359
takes too long or not done at all. Wear

633
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:54,320
wheelchair entrances are blocked.

634
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,480
um lack of toilet paper in the rooms as

635
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,160
well as towels and basic necessities.

636
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
People refuse housing because the motel

637
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,280
are so bad and they don't want their

638
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,839
children in that environment around

639
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,560
prostitution and people sleeping outside

640
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,359
the motel doors. Then they are denied

641
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,720
services and no and have nowhere to go.

642
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,720
Some staff target the mental ill.

643
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,920
Persons being persons being placed that

644
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
are females are vulnerable. A lot of

645
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,960
people complain that DSS are paying

646
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520
these motel all this money and that we

647
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,280
get treated so poorly.

648
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,640
>> Let me ask you who who came up with all

649
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,349
this the information.

650
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:45,119
And that people

651
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,119
>> I wonder where she got there.

652
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,960
>> Yeah.

653
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,040
>> She deals she deals with the residents

654
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,440
and everything that comes to the food

655
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,400
pantry, the community people. So she had

656
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,400
the conversation with several of them

657
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:06,150
and that was her report on all of that.

658
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,520
Okay. Um we have an invited speaker

659
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,280
here, Miss Latoya James.

660
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,760
That's all you can come stand up.

661
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:24,950
>> Standing here.

662
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,750
» Thanks for coming.

663
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,440
» I was asked to speak on my personal

664
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,280
experience, but before doing so, I just

665
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,480
want to address some of the things that

666
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,680
you guys spoke about to me. So, um, you

667
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760
asked where the information come from.

668
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,359
Um, I can speak firsthand that that is

669
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,320
the case in most cases. And I don't know

670
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,560
who you guys speak to in terms of

671
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,119
addressing these issues, but I can say

672
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,599
that they're not being addressed. when

673
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,800
you raise an issue of maybe the

674
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,480
conditions of where you're being asked

675
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,400
to stay, you're often uh belittled or

676
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,240
threatened that if you choose not to

677
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,000
stay there, your family will be, you

678
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,280
know, uh placed under CPS or, you know,

679
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200
so I feel like for most families, you

680
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,960
don't have a choice. You have a deal

681
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880
with those conditions with which they

682
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,240
won't address, they refuse to address.

683
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,320
And earlier you asked, how could it be

684
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,359
addressed? funding, not more funding,

685
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:27,839
lack of it. If you stop the flow to

686
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:31,119
these to these landlords, whether it be

687
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,079
uh um hotel owners or land slum lords,

688
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,760
whatever they are, if you if these

689
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,119
agencies stop funding them, if you stop

690
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,440
blowing money into their pockets, they

691
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,280
will be more less likely to do the

692
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,280
things that they are. But when when laws

693
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,560
are set in place where they can fall

694
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,400
through the cracks and take advantage of

695
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,400
the population and take advantage of

696
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,160
people in those situations, of course

697
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,320
they're going to do so. And when people

698
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800
are put in position to make change and

699
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,040
they don't, right? They don't. How can

700
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,480
change be put forward? Stop the funding.

701
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Stop paying them to mistreat the

702
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,200
population in which you pay them to take

703
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,400
care of.

704
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,560
>> Simple as that. I don't think it should

705
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,640
be like a big meeting or or or like it's

706
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,440
not rocket science. Stop funding these

707
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200
people. If they don't provide the

708
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960
conditions in which you give, it's fair

709
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,119
exchange because me as a tenant

710
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,280
personally, I felt that if I was paying

711
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,200
my rent on time every month, I was

712
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,760
entitled to repairs. I was entitled to a

713
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,680
healthy space. I was entitled to a

714
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,760
certain level of a certain condition of

715
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,400
life. And that's not the case. the

716
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,480
lawying provided with the cushman to

717
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560
make sure my landlord held up his end of

718
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,359
the bargain. So when these agencies are

719
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:46,640
put in place and they want to throw

720
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,880
their hands up and don't play their part

721
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,880
and makes it easier for these people to

722
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
victimize populations like ourselves and

723
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,839
more than 50% of the population is

724
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:58,320
connected are renters. meaning that you

725
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,000
give them a position to take care of to

726
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,599
take advantage of half of the population

727
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,839
whether it's you me your friend your

728
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:10,000
neighbor it affects all of us so we all

729
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800
effectively have to do something more

730
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,160
than meeting in these rooms and

731
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,160
discussing or saying I don't know how

732
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,440
you know how you don't know how because

733
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,599
you didn't experience it so I'm speaking

734
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,839
firsthand from someone that experience

735
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,599
it they're not concerned with the bed

736
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,880
bugs or the blood stains or the drug use

737
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,280
or the abuse of or the things that's

738
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,960
going on right side outside of the door

739
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,040
of the hotel or the conditions that

740
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520
their family is subjected to when you're

741
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,079
asking these agencies for help. It's

742
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,720
unfair. It's beindling. It's saddening.

743
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,359
Right? So, when you I I personally want

744
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:46,800
to know who are you speaking to when

745
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,079
you're getting these answers? Who are

746
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:49,680
you speaking to when they say they're

747
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,040
doing something or they're addressing

748
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
the issue? Each agency passes the

749
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240
responsibility to another.

750
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,720
when at any given time if anyone played

751
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,640
their role or did their job, we wouldn't

752
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,920
be sitting here meeting over these

753
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,670
issues.

754
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,760
» I agree with what you're saying. I hear

755
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,680
what you're saying because I feel like

756
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,737
you're just so directed. No, I'm not

757
00:40:11,737 --> 00:40:17,349
[laughter]

758
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:19,200
from

759
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,880
a lot of your questioning is from

760
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,480
ignorance. It's from lack of experience.

761
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,440
>> You do not know me.

762
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,880
>> No, no. respectfully. I'm not saying

763
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,960
that I'm speaking. Don't take it. Don't

764
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,440
take it.

765
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,160
>> It's not personal. Please, this is not that. What I'm saying a lot of

766
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,560
your questioning is coming from someone

767
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
who has not experienced this. So, I'm

768
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,000
giving you a personal insight of why

769
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,640
things are the way they are and possibly

770
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,200
how we can bring forth change. And I

771
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,480
understand where you're coming from, but

772
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,880
as our discussion with the last meeting

773
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,880
is something that I said like you

774
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,280
mentioned is the retaliation and then

775
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,200
the hotels were going to say we don't

776
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,119
want to participate with these agency

777
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,200
anymore. Their rules are too strict.

778
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,839
Where are these

779
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,280
>> why would they do that when these

780
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,599
agencies are the bulk of their income?

781
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:04,800
In fact, they wouldn't be able to

782
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,160
survive without the income of these

783
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400
agencies. Did you know that?

784
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,920
>> Did you know the right to not run their

785
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,240
rooms? Amanda, we're going to hold the

786
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,200
questions. We're gonna let her continue.

787
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,280
>> Go ahead, Latoya.

788
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,040
>> Um,

789
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,640
I lost track of thought, but um I think

790
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,040
it just basically boils down to a

791
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,240
necessity, a basic need for everyone to

792
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,079
work cohesively with the same goal,

793
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,280
right? Which is fair housing, fair law.

794
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,440
I mean, and and and above everything,

795
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,160
right? holding these people accountable.

796
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,599
It's about accountability on all parts.

797
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,240
Whether you're being victimized, whether

798
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,160
you're taking advantage of the system,

799
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,839
whether you're the landlord or taking

800
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,680
advantage of your relationships in the

801
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,200
business, whatever it may be, these

802
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,720
landlords seek particularly seek out

803
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,359
people in this population, seek out the

804
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:07,200
particular group in this population to

805
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,040
take advantage of. earlier when you

806
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,319
spoke about repeated offenders in terms

807
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:15,440
of um eviction. This this there there

808
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,839
may be numerous reasons for that but a

809
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,280
real reason would be just as he

810
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,960
mentioned struggle right cost of living

811
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,160
is increasing while race pay arm right

812
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160
most of us don't qualify for the housing

813
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,000
that the very little housing that there

814
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,040
is out there right we do not as you me

815
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,960
you mentioned yourself we do not make

816
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
two to three times worth what they're

817
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,920
asking in rent we do not have 750 credit

818
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,440
score right we do not have the landlord

819
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,280
rent because we may have experienced a

820
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280
slumlord

821
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,839
or a holdover eviction,

822
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:51,599
meaning you did nothing wrong. You paid

823
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,119
your rent, you did everything wrong, but

824
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,720
the landlord may have realized that he

825
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,839
could get twice as much for that unit,

826
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:00,240
whether it's from a paying person or a

827
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,520
program who is going to ignore every

828
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640
wrong that he does and allow him to

829
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,640
victimize

830
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,079
this particular person. Whether it's a

831
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,400
minority, what whatever

832
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,960
your situation may be, it is not right.

833
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,880
It should not be so. And we need to

834
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,710
address that.

835
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,319
Let me speak on for landlords. So, for

836
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:28,560
them and there is no excuse not to

837
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480
maintain your property. There is no

838
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,560
excuse. If you pay the rent and you've

839
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,359
got a leaky sink or a hot water tank,

840
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,520
I'm going to fix it. There's that. It is

841
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,000
a two-way street. But on the other hand,

842
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,720
when somebody goes through bad times and

843
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,040
they lose their job, that's awful.

844
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,880
However, the landlord still has the

845
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,760
mortgage to pay in many in there are

846
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,920
lots of good landlords and they are

847
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,079
running a business and you are their

848
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,720
customer. So, what is the answer for the

849
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,920
landlord when

850
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,480
you go into a store and you can't afford

851
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,680
the $300 dress and that's what they're

852
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400
charging? That's not a good example,

853
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,589
right?

854
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,599
» Contract and that you would pay X amount

855
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,359
of dollars and they would maintain the

856
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,800
property and now the rent is not coming

857
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,720
in and they still have to maintain. They

858
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,720
still have property taxes or perhaps

859
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,240
mortgage. What is the answer then to

860
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,079
having a meeting of the minds between

861
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,200
the landlord and Ken in that case?

862
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,760
I mean unfortunately like there that's a

863
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,880
case by case situation still

864
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,079
there's what he said was your your

865
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,400
friend who was a dishwasher and lost a

866
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,920
job and then another one was

867
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,440
>> unfortunately that's the situation for

868
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
most of us but again affordable housing

869
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,359
is the answer to that when when a rent

870
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:55,680
increases

871
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,800
>> 40 50fold over the last how many years

872
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,720
when incomes have not

873
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,520
>> I understand that

874
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,680
>> you understand what I'm And also as a

875
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680
landlord, you are, as you said, a

876
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,200
business owner. For you, you're in it

877
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,880
for profit. When we're all just trying

878
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,000
to survive.

879
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,800
>> Well, that's never

880
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,839
>> But I [clears throat] can tell you

881
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:15,680
mentioned national grid bills. One of my

882
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,119
landlords sent me his national grid bill

883
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,359
for two months was and he only has a

884
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:23,119
house meter, which is the outside

885
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,079
lights, was over $1,000. So, I'm looking

886
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,319
into that. Imagine

887
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,640
right when you don't repair the window

888
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,720
and my heating is going out of the

889
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,079
window right now. So DSS isn't going to

890
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,240
consider that. National Grid isn't going

891
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,520
to consider that. Right? But because it

892
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,079
passed the inspection, now I as a tenant

893
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,240
who already struggled to make ends meet,

894
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,400
I have to supplement for that. I have to

895
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,240
supplement for the $1,000 that's going

896
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,680
out the window every month because you

897
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,880
neglected your job as a [clears throat]

898
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,640
>> That's true. In some cases, brother

899
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,520
Shannon have to put plastic up because

900
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,760
it is. Yes, you're right. New windows

901
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,960
should be put in on time.

902
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,839
>> All repair.

903
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,079
>> I get shame on me because I assume that

904
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,560
if I paid my rent on time and you didn't

905
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,599
have a hassle out of me that I would

906
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,400
receive the same in return and have a

907
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,640
stable place, conditions where I didn't

908
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,400
have to complain about, conditions that

909
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
wouldn't cause um issues with my

910
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200
children's health. You know what I mean?

911
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,280
when I had when you know and for some

912
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,960
families you know the weird thing is for

913
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,800
some families you have to choose in

914
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
between living in those conditions and

915
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,960
going to DSS and living in those

916
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,839
condition that they would subject you to

917
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:38,160
that's the reality for most families you

918
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,160
have to deal with living with the

919
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,680
landlord that treat you like scum

920
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,599
right getting convincing co to come in

921
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,119
is a whole another story but convincing

922
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,640
them to come in and actually do their

923
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,800
job and hold that landlord accountable

924
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,400
That process in itself is is

925
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,800
challenging,

926
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,560
right? By the time they grieve the

927
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,960
relationship that they have and and use

928
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,720
extensions and you go through the whole

929
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,800
entire court process, you have subjected

930
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,160
yourself and your family and your

931
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,520
children to months, possibly years

932
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,040
of those living conditions.

933
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,520
And also when a tenant doesn't pay the

934
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,119
rent, the landlord is losing several

935
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,880
months of rent because it takes a long

936
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,880
time for the eviction process.

937
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200
>> So it's not a win-win situation for

938
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,240
landlord and tenant. And that's I think

939
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,760
that's why we're here to try to learn

940
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,400
how we can bridge the gap and make it

941
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,760
better for everybody.

942
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,440
>> Very true.

943
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,800
>> I think one you got to start by

944
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680
listening to concerns, right?

945
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,839
I'm sure you like as you mentioned you

946
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,720
have your issues but

947
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,960
you guys you have to start by listing

948
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760
like if I'm expressing what the issue is

949
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,760
you have to start there

950
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,280
I think you'll get a better quality of

951
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,720
um renters we have better to choose from

952
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,000
>> well the city was we were in a meeting a

953
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,000
couple years ago with the mayor trying

954
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,920
to create a program that there would be

955
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,359
landlords that

956
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,160
qualify, for lack of a better word, as

957
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,160
premium landlord. So that you as a

958
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,000
tenant would look through a list of

959
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,319
landlords that have a good reputation,

960
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,800
that are in compliance with code, that

961
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
are following the rules. So it's not

962
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,200
such a random search for a tenant, but

963
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,599
just say, okay, well, excellent idea.

964
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,480
>> You have some frame of reference.

965
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,319
>> I think the same should go for some

966
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,160
land, right? If there was more like um

967
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,680
cross communication amongst the

968
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,839
agencies, there would be less um

969
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:42,720
possibilities for some, right? If one

970
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,800
commun one agency was communicating to

971
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,319
the other like I was having an issue

972
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,880
with this guy, did he pass inspection or

973
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040
how do he do or what can I do or how can

974
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,000
we address this issue or and in at any

975
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,359
level then I think it would be less

976
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:00,000
likely for them to

977
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,000
you would have the option I'm quite sure

978
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,839
to find out if there was a rental or you

979
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:05,599
would if there was a rental certificate

980
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,920
on your property that you were if the

981
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,800
landlord had rental certificates on your

982
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,599
apartment. I can test if many of the um

983
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,599
inspections regardless of the agency are

984
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,950
superficial

985
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,119
on record saying that. So um I've

986
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,280
witnessed my landlord to repairs minutes

987
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,920
before the inspection

988
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
>> because they won't if if an apartment

989
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,079
doesn't pass inspection, they won't get

990
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,280
that remarkable certificate.

991
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,800
>> Yeah. But then where's the concern? Is

992
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,880
the concern for my well-being or for

993
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,440
your passing me inspection?

994
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,160
your for your wellbeing

995
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,240
and you would do it whenever needed to

996
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,680
be done and not when the inspector

997
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,280
showed up.

998
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,599
>> But isn't there a requirement for these

999
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,720
um inspections? The tenant has to be in

1000
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,760
the apartment.

1001
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,240
>> Yes.

1002
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,640
>> So it's like you can't do it beforehand.

1003
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,800
>> You can't do it on an empty apartment.

1004
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,359
>> No, you can do it. If I made a

1005
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:03,119
complaint, you can do typically they're

1006
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,920
given 30 days and then they're given in

1007
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,119
um extensions in some cases

1008
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:13,359
certificate. If I own an apartment

1009
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,839
building and I had a vacant apartment in

1010
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:18,160
and you were ready to move into I can

1011
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,000
only get the rental certificate on the

1012
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,319
one that's already got a tenant in it. I

1013
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,000
they're not going to inspect the vacant

1014
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,119
apartment. They wanted name associated

1015
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,200
that you got somebody living there

1016
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,960
>> and that's when they wanted to inspect

1017
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,040
it.

1018
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
>> That's the photo. You want to move on

1019
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,880
and continue to share with us your

1020
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,720
experience?

1021
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:45,920
Um so in my experience uh with my

1022
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,559
landlord in particular we went back and

1023
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:53,760
forth for over two years um

1024
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,920
with repairers I involved

1025
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,319
many of them as I said were superficial

1026
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:03,119
when done often they were um ignored

1027
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,319
which led to other issues but when he

1028
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:07,760
did do repair they were often

1029
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,960
superficial.

1030
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,599
or moments before um inspection came. It

1031
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,640
was just enough to pass inspections and

1032
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,280
regardless of my complaints, various

1033
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,240
agencies would say or refer, hey, well,

1034
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,880
it passed inspection. Although I would

1035
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,160
show videos or photos of current issues

1036
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,480
or things happening in real time,

1037
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,680
regardless to what my issue were, they

1038
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,760
just passed it off to other issu um to

1039
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,640
other agencies or gave suggestions that

1040
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,520
I should call other people or do other

1041
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,359
No one took it personal. No one took the

1042
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:46,160
help or well-being of my family and I

1043
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,800
personal. And it was disheartening to me

1044
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
that at the least no one felt the need

1045
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,480
to do their job. Right? I look I thought

1046
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,119
as I said earlier if I paid my rent on

1047
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,599
time and if I was a good tenant I will

1048
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,440
get those services in return. And that

1049
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,520
wasn't the case. And when I called on

1050
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,000
the agencies put in place to do so they

1051
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,079
didn't help me either.

1052
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,079
So it became it was on me and what I

1053
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,640
decided to do is started I I I I didn't

1054
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,119
call I started emailing and documenting

1055
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,480
and CCing and and writing letters to

1056
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,559
everyone that I thought that would

1057
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,599
listen. And it didn't help in my case,

1058
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,520
but I realized while speaking to others

1059
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,119
that my case wasn't

1060
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,800
significant. You know what I mean? It

1061
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,599
happened more often than not. And it's

1062
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,800
it hurts because it shouldn't, right? My

1063
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,119
family and I, we left living with mold

1064
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,440
for over two years. And we complained.

1065
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,760
We sent pictures. Agencies came in, they

1066
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,079
took pictures, they witnessed it and

1067
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,079
documented it themselves and did nothing

1068
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,720
about it.

1069
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,440
We had leaks that led to electrical

1070
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,839
fires and eventually, like you said, the

1071
00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:59,760
apartment was red taped. And I got I

1072
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,720
didn't even mention it during the

1073
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,200
meeting earlier. I noticed that was his

1074
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,280
intentions all along

1075
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,400
>> or to what

1076
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,000
>> to have coated and renate the apartment

1077
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,800
because I complained on another platform

1078
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
on how the agencies that I reached out

1079
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,200
to that I thought was put in position to

1080
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,920
do exactly what I was asking them to do

1081
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,640
didn't help. Someone said to me, you

1082
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,079
know, well, maybe Latoya, they were

1083
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,319
doing you a favor because had they did

1084
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:28,240
go into action or did they had they

1085
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,000
taken action, you and your family would

1086
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,160
have been homeless. Sad to say that did

1087
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,359
end up being the case. However,

1088
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,640
I feel like if at any given case dummy

1089
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,280
time any agency would have stepped in on

1090
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,839
my behalf. Anyone anyone would have

1091
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,640
advocated for my kids and I, it wouldn't

1092
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,880
have come to that.

1093
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,920
Maybe landlords would be less likely to

1094
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,839
take advantage of people in situations

1095
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,079
like myself because they know that they wouldn't get paid.

1096
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,720
And to me, that's the biggest threat.

1097
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,000
because that's the only thing you

1098
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,079
mention

1099
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,160
is the lack of income you won't receive.

1100
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,040
>> Right.

1101
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,440
>> Well, for a landlord in a business that

1102
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,640
is the fact

1103
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,160
I respect you for your business, but for

1104
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,240
many

1105
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,000
families, you understand what I'm

1106
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,200
saying? And yes, there are programs put

1107
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,839
into place to help. But then when they

1108
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:25,760
are not passionate about doing exactly

1109
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,079
that, that's not they they more likely

1110
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:29,440
to do more damage than anything. And

1111
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,040
that's that's that's what we're going to

1112
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,119
sit here today.

1113
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,800
When people don't step up and play their

1114
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,079
roles and do their parts, we end up in

1115
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,480
situations like this while we're

1116
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,720
explaining the obvious.

1117
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,280
Section 8, for instance, if a landlord

1118
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,440
doesn't pass section 8 and continues to

1119
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,440
fail, they have 30 days to correct a

1120
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,480
problem. Section 8 will cut the uh the

1121
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,400
landlord off. They won't pay.

1122
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,000
>> Yeah, but the inspections are done once

1123
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,559
a year. No, I I don't I don't know.

1124
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:01,280
Section

1125
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,440
>> section 8 inspection is done once a year

1126
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,280
and again it's superficial

1127
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,359
>> but us attendant can certainly cause

1128
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:08,480
section 8 and I

1129
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,079
>> and that's my experience. This is what

1130
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:12,640
I'm explaining to you and it's not until

1131
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,640
I started documenting CCing calling out

1132
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,960
names telling these people what my

1133
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,800
intentions were that I was going to

1134
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,200
obtain legal counsel. [snorts] I was

1135
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,800
going to take this all the way. And

1136
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,119
that's part of the problem here. I I I

1137
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,000
think a lot of tenants aren't aware of

1138
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,800
their rights. And that's a big issue.

1139
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,800
Community awareness.

1140
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,920
You know what I mean? That's something

1141
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,079
we need to address. Not just knowing

1142
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,559
your rights, but having an agency or

1143
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,400
someone put in place that will advocate

1144
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,079
for you. Because that's what I didn't

1145
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,920
have in my case. I didn't have an

1146
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,839
advocate. I didn't have someone to tell

1147
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,000
me what to do or what mistakes not to

1148
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,920
make or what to avoid or what to expect.

1149
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,839
Right? It's simply doing the research

1150
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:00,319
and and and I think that's the issue for

1151
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:03,359
most. It's resources. We lack resources.

1152
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:05,119
We're not aware of our rights. We're

1153
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,119
notware aware of what we're entitled to.

1154
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,359
And and furthermore, I think for

1155
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:13,280
landlords that are not doing their part,

1156
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,359
they should be held accountable. Yes,

1157
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:17,359
there should be a process, but a process

1158
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,839
in which a tenant has to wait years,

1159
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:22,799
maybe even, you know, for something to

1160
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,839
occur or happen, it is not right. And I

1161
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:27,839
think the only way that something could

1162
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:30,799
immediately happen if you stop the

1163
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:32,480
funds,

1164
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,000
when you stop the funds, there's no need

1165
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,440
for middlemen. There's no need for

1166
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,880
talking or conversations. I promise you

1167
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,640
if you stop the funding to these

1168
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,359
programs and to these as I call them bad

1169
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,920
lords right [clears throat]

1170
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,400
you you will have no issue I promise you

1171
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,240
because majority of their funding is

1172
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,760
coming from government programs.

1173
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,640
So if the government or the people put

1174
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,160
into place to protect these programs or

1175
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,400
the population in which they serve at

1176
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,480
any given moment put their foot down or

1177
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,720
put foot to neck to these landlords

1178
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,760
there will be no issue and if you are

1179
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,839
the exception to the rule I appreciate

1180
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:13,760
you but that's not what they discussing

1181
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,240
here.

1182
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,480
>> I think you're right. If the if the

1183
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,680
everything pays attention when the money

1184
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,880
stopped landlord tenant should all pay

1185
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,440
attention.

1186
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,280
>> Right. Right. Right. So when everyone

1187
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,960
asks what should we do? What can we do?

1188
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,359
power. You they either do the right

1189
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:30,799
thing or you stop the funding. There's

1190
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:35,750
no rarity. Period.

1191
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:52,390
I'm good.

1192
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,960
» So, what what are some of the resources

1193
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,960
that you use to help you out of your

1194
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,069
situation that you were successful in?

1195
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,920
» Um,

1196
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,920
Seriously, I um I reached out to SCAP,

1197
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,640
uh Donna and Kevin Zowski and Scap. They

1198
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,200
were great, but again, they don't

1199
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,880
although they they had good intentions,

1200
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,319
they don't have the resources, they

1201
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,240
didn't have the manpower. A lot of the

1202
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,040
advice and um things they gave me were

1203
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,559
in the middle of handling other

1204
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,559
situations. So, I just took the

1205
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,720
information they gave me and, you know,

1206
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:32,240
ran with it. But like I said, for most people, they're not

1207
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,799
they don't have the resources I have and

1208
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:36,480
they they don't have they're not aware

1209
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,000
of their rights. They're not aware of

1210
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,920
their the programs that's out there.

1211
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,359
They're not aware that they're even

1212
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:44,000
being violated in any way. And that, as

1213
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,160
I said, is concerning to me because why

1214
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,520
aren't these people being held

1215
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,720
accountable? I felt like I was screaming

1216
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,440
below water and no one heard me. But I

1217
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,119
know for a fact I contacted the right

1218
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,040
people because I did the research. You

1219
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,200
understand what I'm saying? So I I it's

1220
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,000
concerning to me the lack of compassion

1221
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,559
above everything. You know what I mean?

1222
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:08,710
The lack of uh

1223
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,119
it it's just a disservice, you know? I

1224
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,440
just felt like no one involved felt the

1225
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,680
need to do at the least their job, you

1226
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,480
know, or or or or the or

1227
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,400
to to do what they were hired to do and

1228
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,549
put in position to do.

1229
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,640
I think I felt like no one took it

1230
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,599
personal and for me it was personal. My

1231
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,520
family got suffered for like I said over

1232
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,440
well over two years and it was

1233
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,440
concerning because again why was he

1234
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,960
allowed

1235
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960
to get away with that and I and and like

1236
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,839
I said I know my story is not one

1237
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,160
it's saddening

1238
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,920
and I don't want my family suffer to be

1239
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,119
in pain. I I feel like, you know, above

1240
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,799
us meeting in this room, things need to

1241
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,359
be done.

1242
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,319
And tell me how, where, who I speak to

1243
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:10,559
because I'm willing to do that. I don't

1244
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,559
want to see another family go through

1245
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,480
what my family experienced.

1246
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,589
It's unnecessary.

1247
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,319
» Thank you, Lorie, for sharing.

1248
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,079
>> Appreciate you being here.

1249
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:31,349
Be sure.

1250
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:39,030
I know this.

1251
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,190
Okay. So,

1252
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,760
we have work to do. This It's a lot. It

1253
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,079
is a lot.

1254
01:00:52,079 --> 01:01:01,430
Muel, I see it. I want to hear it.

1255
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,200
» Like some people in it for the money and

1256
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,839
some people in it for a passion too, you

1257
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,240
know. Um

1258
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,880
I know for me I'm sorry for that.

1259
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,119
I think that what I what I'm getting

1260
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,079
from it is that it needs whoever's doing

1261
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,960
the funding needs to be here. That

1262
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,319
person needs to be here from ESS. uh to

1263
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:27,599
speak on their behalf. Uh also also um

1264
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,240
you know looking through I work with the

1265
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,839
homeless population and people with

1266
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:34,640
substance abuse. You know, I say uh last

1267
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,160
year we had 425 people coming home. Only

1268
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,559
163 of those people were placed, right?

1269
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,640
But 163 of those people were placed due

1270
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,799
to

1271
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:47,680
following the requirements that are

1272
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,640
given through DSS, whatever that may be,

1273
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,280
you know, woman to a woman's program in

1274
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,359
the city and coming back and being in

1275
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:58,000
compliance. Um but then I also, you

1276
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,240
know, um I also see

1277
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,799
the county sometimes goes to Veil

1278
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:10,319
Cemetery and they they get people who might need a park but they don't

1279
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:12,720
know how to live.

1280
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,160
>> You know, there's a big difference,

1281
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,720
right? And sometimes I see people who

1282
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,440
are struggling families and whatnot and

1283
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,480
you know, they're doing what they got to

1284
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,640
do. they're in compliance or whatever

1285
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,839
DSS is having them do and a person got

1286
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:27,599
we could send the person to a 20-day

1287
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:29,599
program and then they come out and got

1288
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,920
an apartment and then what happens is

1289
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,760
they they damage the apartment because

1290
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,880
they don't know how to live in the

1291
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,880
apartment and next thing that and that

1292
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,720
ruins it.

1293
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,799
>> So then I feel like at some at some

1294
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:42,640
point it's just like okay why am I going

1295
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,440
to continue to keep fixing this? But

1296
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,440
is is it I just feel like if a person is

1297
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,760
doing the right thing and being in

1298
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,400
compliance,

1299
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,880
>> they deserve to live.

1300
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,559
You know, it doesn't matter if they get

1301
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,960
DSS or whatever the case may be, right?

1302
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,000
They're human being,

1303
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:02,400
>> right?

1304
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,480
>> You understand what I'm saying? Um and

1305
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,920
housing is very important.

1306
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:06,319
>> Yes,

1307
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,319
>> housing is very important. But I do

1308
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,240
think that like, you know, all the

1309
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,520
information is right here, right? Like

1310
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,200
for the people that are still in hotels,

1311
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,440
right? They're saying what's going on.

1312
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,119
So maybe someone from the police

1313
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:23,829
department needs to come here as well.

1314
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:25,440
» Um

1315
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,960
yeah, I'm just processing everything.

1316
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,319
>> I'm a little bit familiar with New

1317
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:34,160
Choices and if I remember correctly, New

1318
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,559
Choices do do inspections for the

1319
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,079
apartment periodically, right?

1320
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:38,799
>> Yeah. So we have

1321
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:40,480
>> done like every three or six months. We

1322
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,640
have Yeah, we have a um we have three

1323
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,520
housing programs. We have shelter plus

1324
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,480
care,

1325
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,119
>> we have MRT housing, we also have um

1326
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,119
transitional housing.

1327
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:55,760
>> Um the transitional housing program is

1328
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,720
for those people who um may not have

1329
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,280
they might have been doing good, have a

1330
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,039
trade and so forth so on their credits

1331
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:05,440
all messed up, whatever. So we created a

1332
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,200
program where it gives them an

1333
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,480
opportunity to build renters's report um

1334
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,480
build their credit score back up and we

1335
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,319
support them for anywhere up to 18

1336
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:17,280
months a case by case situation. Um but

1337
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,280
I also do see that um I also do see that

1338
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,839
so I'm a I'm a I'm a very high I have a

1339
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:29,200
very high value of referrals that I send

1340
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,559
out for the sky county amongst all the

1341
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,880
other counties drug courts probations

1342
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,039
parole CPS

1343
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,240
um ATC courts um family treatment court

1344
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,760
they all contact me when they have a

1345
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,760
situation where someone needs to go away

1346
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,720
into treatment right and what I'm seeing

1347
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,000
what I what I see is that we have we

1348
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,319
have a lot of people in Skenctity County

1349
01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:56,079
that are not from Skenctity County,

1350
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:00,799
>> right? And and it goes it goes into

1351
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:03,280
saying is that

1352
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,559
Skenne County is the only county

1353
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:11,280
that basically it's easy to get an

1354
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,839
apartment out here. So a lot of people

1355
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:17,119
are coming out here just to get housing,

1356
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,599
right? And some people aren't ready for

1357
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,359
housing. But when you got someone like

1358
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:24,480
you sitting here, family, motivated and

1359
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,359
passionate, right? Unfortunately, those

1360
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:29,920
are the ones that suffer,

1361
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,839
right? But and also the good landlord

1362
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:33,920
suffer too,

1363
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,960
right? So, um,

1364
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,039
yeah,

1365
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,039
we'll have some stuff for you next time.

1366
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,119
>> All righty. Thank you for sharing.

1367
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,880
>> I appreciate you.

1368
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,520
>> Um, yes, this was a very, very

1369
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,480
interesting meeting. I'm excited to move

1370
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:58,230
forward and making some changes. Um

1371
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,200
so

1372
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,920
our hour is mere and um I just want to

1373
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,000
um out of everything that we've

1374
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,839
discussed today Monaco to get um more

1375
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:13,359
clarification

1376
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:15,599
on some things. What would what would be

1377
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,000
your pick from this?

1378
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,440
my pick from

1379
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,440
>> the conversations and the answers we

1380
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,280
need as far as um

1381
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,039
the fair housing laws, the um different

1382
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,920
programs. And

1383
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240
>> I would say that it would be nice to

1384
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,359
have the commissioner if she was I think

1385
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,799
that would be great. I feel that um was

1386
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:44,480
it Jaclyn that gave the sheep? Yes. I

1387
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,039
think that that's problematic especially

1388
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:52,160
the legal activity happening at the

1389
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,440
uh hotels. So, I feel like

1390
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,680
um having the conversation with the

1391
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,480
police, are they patrolling that? Are

1392
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,520
they doing things? I mean, it just kind

1393
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:04,960
of makes it seem like it's just

1394
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,720
happening all out in the open and

1395
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,480
everything goes. Um, but I do also agree

1396
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,839
about the funding um that when people

1397
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,760
aren't in compliance in terms of um if

1398
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,680
they're receiving money from DSS, if

1399
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,520
they have contracts, if they're

1400
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,559
receiving money from section 8, uh, you

1401
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,480
know, all of that, that funding should

1402
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,880
stop and they should be mandated to do

1403
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,799
things. I don't think it should go on

1404
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,599
for long periods of time. Definitely

1405
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,440
things have to change. that that's kind

1406
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,480
of like my out. It's [snorts] not an

1407
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,630
easy fix. But

1408
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,799
Amanda,

1409
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:47,839
>> there's so much. [laughter] It's like

1410
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,799
you can't focus on one thing. You have

1411
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:55,280
to just there's so many different

1412
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,839
things that's entwined with everything.

1413
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:59,839
So it's like having the commissioner

1414
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:02,079
here is not

1415
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,319
a bad idea but I also think we need to

1416
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:07,039
speak to someone in code enforcement. We

1417
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:08,880
need to understand

1418
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,920
what the policy is and how from the

1419
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,960
beginning to the end and what what the

1420
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,480
mechanism is in that sense from the

1421
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,799
landlord perspect what the landlords are

1422
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,040
obligated to do and even from like the

1423
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,759
tenants what are the tenants rights with

1424
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:37,590
regards to code enforcement.

1425
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,440
for me.

1426
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,279
>> You're right. It's a huge problem. Well,

1427
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,040
I think we kind of have to decide. Are

1428
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,120
we're going to focus on hotels, motel,

1429
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:50,000
or apartments? And I realize that that

1430
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,400
when people are at depths of despair,

1431
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,080
they're in the in these temporary

1432
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,640
housing. That definitely needs to be

1433
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,560
addressed because that is much different

1434
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,799
than than what we were told. That's why

1435
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,279
I asked about the point of contact than

1436
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,960
my email to her. Uh and if this was

1437
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,440
being dealt with on a a closed basis as

1438
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,839
they indicated, then some of these

1439
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:16,400
issues you would think would be resolved

1440
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,359
about the women and children being taken

1441
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:23,520
out for hours in a day. I mean

1442
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,759
I I would like to hear I agree with you.

1443
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:29,279
I would like to hear or Muel from

1444
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,839
someone from BSS to answer these

1445
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:34,239
questions

1446
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,239
if that that's where we started this

1447
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,759
conversation last week was the hotels.

1448
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:44,400
Um and then what I believe too is

1449
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,279
education on the local landlord and the

1450
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,279
tenants part on what the expectations

1451
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,440
are for each and how again we can bridge

1452
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:57,430
that gap. Um

1453
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,320
He was the

1454
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,840
commissioner told me about that

1455
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,400
gentleman Jeff Jackson who owns one of

1456
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,480
the hotel motel. She didn't tell me

1457
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:08,800
which one. She gave me his number. I

1458
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,760
will be happy to contact him. Yes. Who

1459
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,520
knows which one he owns. Um, but he

1460
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,600
also, what I was intrigued with is that

1461
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,920
he offers courses to those people that

1462
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,280
are temporary residents on how to get an

1463
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,679
apartment on what a landlord looks for.

1464
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:28,080
I was fascinated by that. I would like

1465
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,960
to know more about those classes he

1466
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,520
offers, how often, what does he cover.

1467
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,480
Um, so I think he would be an

1468
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,400
interesting guest if he would consent to

1469
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,080
that.

1470
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,760
I would follow up and find out more

1471
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,520
about North.

1472
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,040
>> That's awesome that he's provided that

1473
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,000
education.

1474
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,600
>> I said it's awesome that he's provided

1475
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,480
that education.

1476
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,760
>> Education. Yes. That that is amazing as

1477
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,199
a a hotel owner that's [clears throat]

1478
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:54,800
housing

1479
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,880
>> uh temporary residence that he would do

1480
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,590
that. That to me is passion.

1481
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:07,030
» Okay. Um

1482
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,280
and once I talk to him if he's agreeable

1483
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,719
I'll connect with you to find out what

1484
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,400
date you would actually want him to come

1485
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,159
if he would come.

1486
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,239
>> Okay. We have some tenative dates to

1487
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,159
see. I think there's also different

1488
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,719
segments of housing because I feel that

1489
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:22,800
yes, there there is a need for

1490
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,800
affordable housing and I think there are

1491
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,840
people that are gainfully employed but

1492
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,520
can't afford certain types of housing

1493
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,679
but I also feel that there's people that

1494
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:33,679
don't fit in the category where they can

1495
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:37,040
actually get into apartments. So that's

1496
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,400
why

1497
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,760
>> because

1498
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,640
>> I was made aware that

1499
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,320
when they speak about affordable

1500
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,360
housing, they're going by the county

1501
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,600
medium. They're not basing it on the

1502
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,800
city medium.

1503
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,920
>> So that's why we're in this situation

1504
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,239
also because the housing and stuff

1505
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,080
that's coming up now, people still can't

1506
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,640
afford it. It doesn't fit the criteria

1507
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,669
of our city

1508
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:07,679
» right.

1509
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:10,719
>> Okay. So, [clears throat] um

1510
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:14,560
really you got to reach out to Jeff.

1511
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,270
>> Okay. Um

1512
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,709
I reach out to these two here.

1513
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:26,880
Amanda, could you reach out to somebody

1514
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,630
from section 8?

1515
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,960
and we'll see if we can get them in and

1516
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,400
we'll use the day that um everybody

1517
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,600
based on after this.

1518
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,350
Um

1519
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,239
the education piece.

1520
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:51,280
Um, Muel, you can find out

1521
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,400
or you have somebody somebody that can

1522
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,840
come in and talk to us about the

1523
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,679
education piece of the housing

1524
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:00,719
or

1525
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:04,000
>> as far as um

1526
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,320
we're we're the resource somebody with

1527
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,280
resources who can answer some of these

1528
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,440
questions along with DSS and

1529
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,800
section 8 and

1530
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,199
Okay.

1531
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:20,960
Um,

1532
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,350
that falls under the

1533
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:30,310
» Lamar.

1534
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,320
» Where did you say you got the stats

1535
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:33,120
from?

1536
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,360
>> Um, the Princeton University eviction

1537
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,960
letter. Thank you. Do

1538
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,960
>> you need anything from there? No, I just

1539
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:49,669
want to go look. [laughter] Okay.

1540
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,360
Um,

1541
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,360
can you reach out to um somebody from

1542
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,560
section 8?

1543
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,350
>> Yeah, sure.

1544
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,520
» Get the commissioner of DSS to comment.

1545
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,040
>> Oh, yeah.

1546
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,199
>> I think I contacted her before. What?

1547
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,550
>> Okay. You contact the commissioner.

1548
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:20,950
» Okay. on the educational piece.

1549
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:26,870
without

1550
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,070
we need

1551
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,320
ask them see if they can come to our

1552
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,560
next meeting to talk about to to discuss

1553
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,280
the tenants responsibilities landlord

1554
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,040
>> responsibilities okay

1555
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,600
>> and how the inspections and things were

1556
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,830
no

1557
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Okay. I have um

1558
01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:23,350
three tenative dates.

1559
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,199
Okay. I have 512, which is a Tuesday.

1560
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:28,800
>> May 12th.

1561
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,000
>> Oh, May 12th.

1562
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:41,030
>> I have um May 15th, which is a Friday.

1563
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,520
» What's the other one?

1564
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:44,640
the 12th and the 15th.

1565
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,199
>> Oh, two days. Two days. No, I have I

1566
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,080
have 5:22 if there's a discrepancy, but

1567
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,280
I would like to come back in two weeks

1568
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,239
cuz time is getting near and going to

1569
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,800
have to pack all of this up into a

1570
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,159
report and I want to get start nailing

1571
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:03,199
stuff down.

1572
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:06,880
>> I prefer the 15th.

1573
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:15,910
I think country

1574
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,950
» I think I'll be in ad

1575
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,120
» that's a Friday.

1576
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,870
>> Yes, I will.

1577
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,800
» You could forward me your information

1578
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,480
and concerns

1579
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,750
before.

1580
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,600
Okay. So, we'll talk.

1581
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,520
>> Yeah, cuz you're going to be away.

1582
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,360
>> I'm going to be away. Yes.

1583
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,080
>> So,

1584
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,760
>> son's graduation.

1585
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,510
>> Nice. Nice.

1586
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,040
» Okay.

1587
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,679
That was a lot. So, the 15th at six.

1588
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,840
>> The 15th at six.

1589
01:16:51,840 --> 01:17:03,990
>> The 15th. 15th. That's six.

1590
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,520
I would like to say thank you for

1591
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,320
everyone that came out tonight. Um,

1592
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,239
keep up the great work. It's very

1593
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:16,960
appreciated. It's very needed. And um,

1594
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,400
see you in two weeks meeting,

1595
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:38,550
you know.

1596
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:48,229
Yes, that's fine.

1597
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:48,960
[laughter]

1598
01:17:48,960 --> 01:18:03,030
>> One second.

1599
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,070
Thank you so much.

1600
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,880
I don't know what I did, but