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» Just so everyone knows, there is a sheet

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at the podium when you go to speak for

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public comment, you may sign your name

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then. Thank you.

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» Good afternoon everyone. I'd like to

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welcome you to the May 20th Planning

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Commission meeting.

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Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

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Thank you. The agenda was posted in

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accordance with Nevada Open Meeting Law

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and all members are present. Thank you.

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If you could please stand and join me in

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the pledge.

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Our first item is public comment. As a

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reminder, this first public comment is

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for matters on the agenda tonight.

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There's a 3-minute time limit. I also

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want to remind the public that both of

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the items on the agenda tonight are

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public hearings, so we are required to

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open public comment under both of those

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items as well. So, um just due to time

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and um the number of people, we want

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everybody to have the opportunity to

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speak. So, there would um if you speak

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in the first open public comment and

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unless you have new points to make, we

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ask that you keep that be you do one or

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The first item on the agenda,

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so I will open public comment. Please

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come to the

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um stand and state your name for the

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record.

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I'll go first.

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And I write my name here, right?

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» Good evening, commissioners. Thank you

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for your time.

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My name is Amanda Knuckles and I have

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been a resident of Clark County the vast

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majority of my life.

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I am here tonight to urge the Planning

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Commission to reject the proposal for

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the 88.5 acre town site solar 2 AI data

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center.

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Boulder City has been a clean green

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oasis in the in the desert all of my

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life. A place I have fond memories of

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attending art festivals, car shows, gem

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and mineral shows, enjoying lunch,

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antique shopping, and the friendly quiet

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sanctuary of a town with clean air a

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short drive from my home in Henderson.

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Just the other side of the Mojave Valley

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where this project is being proposed.

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Boulder City has always protected the

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town's history, small town charm, and

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natural resources through measured

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deliberate growth.

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This proposal represents a massive

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irreversible shift in how Clark County

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uses our public land,

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bringing industrial scale strains that

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simply do not align with the values

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necessary in a desert environment.

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Looking at the sheer scale of what is

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being asked, this 170 megawatt facility

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would demand massive amounts of energy

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covering 88 and 1/2 acres of space. Even

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if the developer buys power from the

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Oakman market via the Mead substation,

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injecting this level of continuous high

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density demand into our regional

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ecosystem

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places an immense burden on an already

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strained power grid. All at a time when

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Southern Nevada is facing record summer

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heat and skyrocketing utility costs. My

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key point here is that we do not have

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the water for this, period.

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Finally, thousands of residents have

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already signed a petition against this

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project because it is agreed that this

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process is proverbial proverbially

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putting the cart before the horse.

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This coming November, the voters of the

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Boulder City will cast their ballots on

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question one to decide whether data

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centers should even be an approved land

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use in the valley.

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Forcing this specific 88 and 1/2 acre

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project through the land management

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process before the community has had the

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chance to democratically voice its

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stance on data centers is entirely wrong

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and undemocratic.

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Please, let's protect our resources,

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respect the upcoming public vote, and

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keep Boulder City true to its heritage.

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Please vote no on advancing this

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project. Thank you.

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Good evening, members of the Planning

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Commission. My name is Julie and I live

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right down the road next door in

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Henderson. I heard a statistic that for

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every constituent phone call that a

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representative receives, that call is

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counted as five calls. How much greater

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is the multiplier for constituents

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showing up in person to meetings or for

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those giving public comment? I would to

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look around and acknowledge that public,

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your constituents in this room today,

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represent a fraction of the number of

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people who feel the exact same way but

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were unable, unaware, or too afraid to

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speak up. I also recently heard a

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political candidate speaking about their

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role as a representative of us and their

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responsibility is to us to listen to our

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needs, learn what's important to us, and

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what we need from them. And then they

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must support policies which support the

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things for which we have asked. With all

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that in mind, I find it perplexing that

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the same conversation about data centers

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is on repeat, not just here in Boulder

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City, but across the state and this

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nation because in all conversations I've

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heard between friends, family, and

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neighbors, and the community members at

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town halls and candidate events,

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documentaries I've watched, I have not

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heard one regular person say they

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supported data center development not in

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our town, our state, or our country. So

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again, we the people are coming to all

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of you, our elected officials, to plead

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our case for not allowing this data

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center to be developed. You are being

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pressured by corporations who want to

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come in and build these data centers for

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their own greed. They don't care about

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creating jobs for the people or the

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damage they're doing to the environment.

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They are coming to you to take advantage

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of the nationwide environmental

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deregulation climate that has been the

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hallmark of the current regime in

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Washington.

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There isn't one scientific organization

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which says the AI data centers are good

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for the environment, the air we breathe,

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our water supplies, the health of our

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bodies, or our minds. AI technology has

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been pushed on all of us, not just

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locally but nationally and around the

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world, and there aren't studies or

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evidence that AI has a positive benefit

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to us as individuals or as society. On

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the contrary,

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it causes job loss, less educated human

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population, mental health crises, and

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let's not forget the push for mass

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surveillance. All these struggles we are

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facing today are taking us down the path

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towards being controlled by the few

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billionaires at the top. Data centers

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are a central piece of the groundwork

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being laid for real life dystopia

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similar to what exists in books like

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1984, The Hunger Games, and The

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Handmaid's Tale. There is no reason to

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put a data center in the middle of a

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desert during a multi-decade drought

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intentionally adding to the strain on

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our energy infrastructure. Towns that

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are solar should stick with their

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original plan to develop solar and

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battery energy storage systems which are

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in line with the current zoning for

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clean energy-related uses. When we take

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back our government from the billionaire

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dictators, let's not regret decisions we

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made during the most devastating time in

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American history with regard to the

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rolling back of environmental standards

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and goals. Just because we don't have

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responsible humans in Washington doesn't

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mean that we shouldn't show

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responsibility ourselves at the state

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and local level. What do you want to be

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remembered for during your tenure at the

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planning commission? Thank you so much

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Greetings, Planning Commission. My name

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is Adam Schultheis and I'm running for

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City Council.

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In fact, I'm the only candidate

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that is 100% anti-data center.

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I respectfully urge that you that you,

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the Commission, carefully reconsider

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approval of this closed-loop data center

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proposal due to its long-term impacts on

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infrastructure, sustainability,

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community character, and public

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accountability.

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closed-loop data centers as efficient or

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self-contained, the reality is that all

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these facilities can still place

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enormous burdens on local resources

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while providing limited benefits to the

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These projects are designed primarily to

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serve private corporate interests, not

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the long-term needs of the surrounding

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community, that is Boulder City. First,

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data centers consume extraordinary

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backup power for infrastructure, and

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because they recycle water.

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significant water input and chemical

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water-intensive

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industrial data centers sends the wrong

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message about responsible resource

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stewardship.

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Third, these facilities frequently

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generate less economic value than

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promised. This is really important.

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building a data center takes about 12 to

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18 months, but construction laborers are

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City. Let's be honest. Come on. I mean,

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data center, like the one that is being

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infrastructure capacity while producing

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limited local benefits should not be

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approved.

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>> What's it going to be, Planning

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» What's it going to be, Planning

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Are you going to sell your souls to the

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devil

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by approving this data center?

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Or are you going to do the right thing

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by shouting from the rooftops of Boulder

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City and for the people of Boulder City

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and say no to data centers?

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Hello. My name's Doug Smith. I thought

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I'd put some numbers on things. So,

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Hoover Dam normally puts out 2,005 MW,

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but because the water level's low, we're

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doing about a third less than that now.

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Um this summer, the water level's likely

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to get low enough they'll have to shut

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down

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shut 11 [snorts] generators, leaving

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seven. Then we're down to 300 MW.

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That's enough for Boulder City. We get

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20 MW from them. Um

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however, another problem is going to

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happen. The piping in

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in the dam does not have expansion

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joints like many do.

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When the water level reaches 76.8 the

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pipes will start to expand so much they

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might buckle they got to stop shut it

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down. That could happen this summer if

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we have a warmer than normal summer

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which I think we are. So that that's a

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problem. Uh

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At that point we get our electricity

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from the dam at low market rates.

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And if the dam shuts down

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then we have to buy it on the open

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market the same market as the data

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center. So

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I just estimate not including data

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centers that our rates will go up about

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about double here in Boulder City if

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that happens. Um water won't be a

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problem we're upstream of the dam and

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our withdrawal is way below the dead

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pool so water won't be a problem for us

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but electricity will.

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So I just thought I'd bring that. By the

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way I'm electrical engineer I got my

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first engineering license at age 16 back

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in 1963.

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And I've been engineer ever since then

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but I just thought I'd put some numbers

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on it but

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we're going to be short of electricity

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around here and it could happen as early

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as this summer.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Smith. Before

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anybody else approaches the

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stand Madam City Clerk do we have a

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caller on the line? Yes we do. Okay.

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Thank you for holding go ahead.

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Yeah I'm ready. Now the data center they

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could have solar panels as well.

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Yes they could have solar panels

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>> record sir?

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» record sir?

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David D A V I D Pitterman is spelled P

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as in penguin I T T E R M A N.

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Thank you.

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It's for the data center and they could

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have solar panels that look at to the

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factory Luz L U Z that makes solar

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panels as well.

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Mr. Peterman, this is public comment and

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we don't um have conversations or answer

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questions at this time.

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Yes, they could even have mirrors direct

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you sunlight to the solar panels as

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well, even windmills for during

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electricity.

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And the purpose of a data center is to

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make sure people behave themselves on

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the internet.

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Um

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Thank you for your comments, Mr.

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Peterman.

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I'll continue public comment. Is there

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anybody in the audience that wants to

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come forward?

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Okay, my comment's a little bit

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different. My name is Joanna Malloy. I

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have been a resident for 11 years.

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Um I'm giving you an analogy. So, and

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this is for item three.

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Um I worked in a pharmacy for a small

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town in two in the 2000s for almost 11

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years. It was a known fact that drug

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companies paid their reps well to not

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ask or share information uh with doctors

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that might affect their choice to

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prescribe a drug. Their job was to tout

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the virtues of the drug. It was also

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their job to sometimes incentivize the

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doctors to prescribe a drug.

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Fentanyl and Oxycontin were introduced

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this way. Reports have shown the drug

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companies were well aware these drugs

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were highly addictive, but they chose to

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push them anyway. Sometimes drug reps

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would take pharmacists out for dinners

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and gave them gifts um and they they

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used it as an opportunity to teach us

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about why we should um allow that we

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should accept these prescriptions and

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not question them. This later became

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against the law.

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Um doctors wrote the prescriptions,

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pharmacists filled them, and all seemed

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well until many people became addicted.

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They had been assured by the doctors the

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drugs were safe, so they used them. By

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the time they were addicted, it was too

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difficult to turn around. It was costly

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to get treatment, and in some cases it

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was just too difficult, and some of the

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people that I knew killed themselves

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because of it. Um this is what we see if

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it is recommended to the city council,

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not that we're going to kill ourselves.

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Um if it is recommended to the city

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council to accept the change to the land

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use to allow data centers. We are being

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told it may never be used this way, but

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the wooing is strong, and we do know

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that it is being pushed, and that there,

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you know, we have a we don't have a

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line. We have a a company that wants to

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build these

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build a data center, and we are in very

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much against it because of the um

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effects it'll have on the environment,

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and by the time it gets built, and it is

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pushed through, um

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there's not going to be anywhere we can

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do anything about it, and that's that's

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not okay. So, anyway, there you go.

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Good afternoon. I'm Carol Shultice. I've

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been a resident here for 35 years.

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I love Boulder City.

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And everybody's told me about the

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concerns so far that

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that they have regarding these data

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centers, and it it's not just about

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whether they're in the transfer zone, or

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they're right there on our border. We

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don't want them in all.

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And since I've been studying these data

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centers, I've also been studying the

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movements of what's going on behind the

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counters

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about about behind the scenes. I'm

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sorry, I'm nervous. I'm not good at

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speaking. That's why I try to call in.

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And that doesn't work for me.

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I just have a picture I want to show you

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guys and can you please maybe at the end

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of this address this because

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you have a ballot question for data

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centers.

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And this is a different data center.

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And then we see the land being groomed

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already for one up in Henderson on the

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border.

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And then I found this.

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On the internet.

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I don't know if it's a surprise to you,

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but it says it's zoned for the

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industrial.

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And it's in Henderson.

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But isn't that the Boulder City property

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that was annexed that you guys

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determined the use for?

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So are we fighting one, two, three, or

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four?

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It's just very upsetting because I love

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this town.

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I'd do anything to help this town.

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00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:36,710
Please don't do this to Boulder City.

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We'll take the caller. Oh, I'm sorry,

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00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,800
ma'am. You can come up after this

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00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,600
caller.

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00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,830
Public comment, go ahead.

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00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,430
Hello.

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Public comment, may help you?

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Hello.

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Hi. Hi, can you mute the

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00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,790
background, please?

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Your computer, we can hear it. Hi, if

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you can state your name and

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speak your comments.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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This is Jasmine Lazaro.

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I'm a family nurse practitioner.

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I treat patients in this community.

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And I'm

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I'm sorry. Hold on.

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Hi, is this Bella?

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Yes. My name is Jasmine Lazarro. I'm a

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family nurse practitioner.

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I treat patients in this community.

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And I'm calling in today because I am

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sick, but I wanted to make my voice

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heard because I know so many people who

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share the same sentiment.

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What is being proposed in Boulder City

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is not just a land use decision. It is a

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public health decision and the wrong

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one.

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Southern Nevada is already under Tier 1

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Colorado River water shortage

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restrictions.

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Lake Mead has dropped 160 ft since 2000.

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We are already rationing.

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We are already cutting.

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And projections indicate conditions will

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worsen.

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Data centers consume water at a scale

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that is difficult to comprehend.

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Facilities across Southern Nevada used

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more than 716

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million gallons in 2024 alone.

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One Google building in Henderson used

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352

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million gallons from the Colorado River

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from the same shrinking supply every

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household, every clinic, and every child

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in this valley depends on.

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And we have already seen what corporate

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self-regulation looks like here.

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Tesla was fined in Nevada for illegally

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discharging groundwater into storm

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drains, violating state water pollution

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law.

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These are not hypothetical risks.

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They are documented violations

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in our state.

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As a healthcare provider,

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I am trained to identify threats before

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they become crises.

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Dehydration,

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heat illness, sanitation failure

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in a desert city already under shortage

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restrictions,

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these are not distant outcomes. They are

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logical ones.

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Our water, our land, and our public

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investment belong to the people who live

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here,

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not to corporations storing data while

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our reservoir reservoir drains.

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No to data centers and yes to healthcare

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centers.

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No to data centers

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and yes to more educational centers.

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My name is Jasmine, and I'm asking you

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to choose people over data centers.

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Thank you.

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00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:34,630
You can come forward. Thank you.

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Just

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write my name.

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Hello, Planning Commission.

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My name is Kathleen McGarrity.

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00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,760
The McGarrity family have been residents

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in Boulder City for over 30 years, and I

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have personally permanently resided here

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00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,290
for over 12.

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» [clears throat]

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» Where to start in this, but I realize

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time is short

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00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,920
and it's a privilege to follow

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Carol and Jocelyn.

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00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,880
There is

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lengthy discourse online and this

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doesn't include the petition that has

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00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,800
close to 6,000 verified signatures

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that are against building a data center

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in Boulder City.

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00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,880
However,

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several of the line of the threads

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online have comments that are very

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insightful. Residents coming forward in

563
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,080
in large numbers and in in solid

564
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,160
expression

565
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,720
98% of it in opposition of data centers.

566
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,560
For example, a day ago someone wrote

567
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,280
about the removal of all elected Boulder

568
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,320
City politicians who in any way support

569
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,280
the development of data centers in the

570
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,640
drought-stricken Boulder City Lake Mead

571
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,800
area.

572
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,240
This is a message that must be sent loud

573
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,200
and clear. Exclamation point.

574
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,000
There is no case to be made for this

575
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,360
effort

576
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,120
except perhaps corporate greed.

577
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,000
We must protect the future of Boulder

578
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080
City and families. There is no water to

579
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,760
be squandered on data center efforts.

580
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,920
Greedy politicians spouting a bunch of

581
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,120
corporate sponsored talking points must

582
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,960
be stopped before they are even started.

583
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,280
So what I want to ask the commission and

584
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,200
I realize you're not answering questions

585
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
right now is

586
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,840
given the tremendous quantity of water

587
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,240
usage and the established knowledge,

588
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,000
public knowledge, that we are in a

589
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,080
drought crisis of which Secretary of

590
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,840
Interior Doug Burgum flew and had a

591
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,560
meeting with the various governors of

592
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,160
the southwestern states and incidentally

593
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,840
has has that information been made

594
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,640
available to the public?

595
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Given all of this

596
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,720
and the thought that the public is

597
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,000
thinking

598
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Now, again, this is just this is just

599
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
what the public is thinking. They're

600
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
thinking that this is moving forward

601
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,040
anyway, and this meeting these meetings

602
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,880
are perfunctory.

603
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,360
They're thinking that it's a legal

604
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,760
requirement to have these meetings, but

605
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
that it's a set and done deal, and that

606
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,880
their voices don't matter.

607
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
I was hesitant to come here and speak

608
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,640
up.

609
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,920
But a woman spoke with me today, and

610
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
while I am not putting myself by any

611
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,800
means in the category of the great

612
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,600
Martin Luther King,

613
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,840
she pointed out to me that at the time

614
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,960
he did not realize necessarily the

615
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,800
impact he might have

616
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640
regarding freedoms and the protections

617
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,200
that he fought for.

618
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,920
So, your constituents,

619
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,000
citizens who pay to elect the elected

620
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,880
officials in Boulder City and Henderson,

621
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,760
are speaking to you

622
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,960
by the thousands.

623
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,190
>> Ms. Garrity, if you could wrap it up in

624
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:00,200
» Ms. Garrity, if you could wrap it up in

625
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:00,800
your own time.

626
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,990
>> good. Very good. All that I would like

627
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:03,000
» good. Very good. All that I would like

628
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,640
to ask is in 3 to 6 months or 1 to 3

629
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,480
months, will it be announced that

630
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,360
there's a state of emergency regarding

631
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,840
water here?

632
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,200
And is this data center really going

633
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480
forward? Because I don't know how that's

634
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,000
justifiable. I don't know how you

635
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,520
juxtapose those elements together. Thank

636
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,387
you very much.

637
00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:25,950
>> [applause]

638
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,680
» We have a caller, so if if people in the

639
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,720
audience could just wait, please. Thank

640
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,920
you. Go ahead.

641
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,150
Public comment, go ahead.

642
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Good evening. For [clears throat] the

643
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480
verbatim record, Fred Voltz.

644
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,920
Item number two represents a

645
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,160
constructive addition to the community.

646
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,320
Limiting irrigation to drip systems

647
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,240
would be a worthwhile insertion to the

648
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,360
proposed wording.

649
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Regarding item number three, the

650
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,040
planning commission needs to reject

651
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080
adding the proposed data center to the

652
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,360
land management process.

653
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Despite changes to versions of the

654
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
sketchy proposal, Boulder City has no

655
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
factory-type installations of this size

656
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,520
and scope.

657
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,520
This project was sprung on residents as

658
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,160
a done deal beginning in late March

659
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,280
after 8 months of private discussions

660
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,080
between the city and the project

661
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,440
promoters.

662
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,080
The promoters spent some 5 and 1/2

663
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
million dollars by February 2026 to

664
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,040
arrange for a power connection to their

665
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,360
project when nothing had been approved

666
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,800
by the city.

667
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,760
The promoters have no experience running

668
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,320
data centers anywhere.

669
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,120
The two public meetings did not allow

670
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,440
those present to hear from the promoters

671
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,720
in a question and answer format before

672
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,320
all present, but carved up the public

673
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,200
into small groups who heard different

674
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,200
things from different people at

675
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,920
dispersed easel displays.

676
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,000
As drought continues to impact water and

677
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,960
electric supplies throughout the West

678
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,400
and Midwest, the power needs of this

679
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,160
data center will be competing with the

680
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,120
existing residents and businesses in

681
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,560
Boulder City for purchased power on the

682
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,240
spot market.

683
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,280
Hoover and Glen Canyon Dams can no

684
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,280
longer be relied on for most of our

685
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,880
low-cost power. Higher rates loom large.

686
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Disposal of spent coolant from the

687
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,320
proposed closed-loop cooling system

688
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,440
presents more challenges.

689
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,280
For a 400,000-gallon

690
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,520
cooling system to allegedly need only

691
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,800
2,000 gallons a year of blowdown does

692
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,880
not reflect chemical compounds that

693
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,280
naturally build up than the regular

694
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,640
addition of antifreeze blends, biocides,

695
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680
scale inhibitors, acidity-alkalinity

696
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,240
adjusters, oxygen scavengers, metal

697
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,320
inhibitors, stabilizers, and

698
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,880
surfactants.

699
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,360
How will this toxic liquid be remediated

700
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,680
before being dumped into our dated city

701
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,240
sewer system?

702
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,040
No plan has been presented.

703
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240
Other localities with ample power and

704
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,120
water plus a welcoming community, can

705
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,640
house such data centers. It is an

706
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,480
inappropriate land use in Boulder City

707
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:17,750
few people want. Thank you.

708
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,120
My name is Fred Dexter. I've been a

709
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,960
Boulder City as a resident property

710
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,880
owner for 25 years.

711
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,360
I'd like to um

712
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,760
approach this data center from a

713
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,480
slightly different angle than the other

714
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,360
people who have spoken.

715
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,320
I was very happy to hear the caller's

716
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,480
remarks just now, very well educated.

717
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,720
Why are we even considering it?

718
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,750
Money.

719
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,280
Eldorado Valley is our bank.

720
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,200
We can put other things there, more

721
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,000
solar panels,

722
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,600
that are not so controversial or

723
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,240
damaging.

724
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,560
We could save it a little bit for the

725
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,240
future.

726
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,840
We don't have to use it up all right

727
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,200
away.

728
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,080
But, getting a data center just so

729
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Boulder City can have more money

730
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,800
is a really bad idea, and nobody wants

731
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:15,070
it. Thank you.

732
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,280
Hello, thank you for letting me speak.

733
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,200
My name is Autumn McGrath. I moved here

734
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,840
5 years ago from Henderson. I lived in

735
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,560
Summerlin for 12 years, in Henderson for

736
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,400
12 years, and now 5 years in Boulder

737
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,400
City. And unlike some of the other

738
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,440
commenters, I'm not really crazy about

739
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,440
it, to be honest. I've been talking to a

740
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,240
lot of locals. I own a small business

741
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,560
here, and I know a lot of people.

742
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,120
The number one remark is how painful and

743
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,040
heartbreaking it is to be from here and

744
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,880
grow up here and watch it change and

745
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,560
watch all the people come from

746
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,120
California and ruin everything and

747
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,080
putting in, you know, needle exchanges

748
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,200
and

749
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,440
just they're losing the town that they

750
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,160
grew up in, but it's almost an equal

751
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,240
punishment to move here.

752
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,520
Um

753
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,520
because of things like this. Um

754
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,800
the average resident is busy, exhausted,

755
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,240
and understandably disengaged from local

756
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,960
politics. It is not laziness, it is not

757
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,960
a fault. It is a survival. People are

758
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,480
consumed with their immediate families

759
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,440
and needs. No one is interested in

760
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,960
combing through the minutes of a city

761
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,400
council meeting.

762
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,040
And the people that do come to these,

763
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,640
and the people that are involved in

764
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,400
local politics,

765
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,840
like most of the people in this room,

766
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,760
they really do exist inside of their own

767
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,880
echo chambers. All of their friends

768
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,000
think the same. The news doesn't spread

769
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
to the outside community. Um I was

770
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,160
watching a documentary about Abilene,

771
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,720
Texas, and the largest data center place

772
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,920
in our country, nobody knew when it

773
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,960
started. That's what every small town in

774
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,400
all of these documentaries, all of the

775
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,160
residents say the same thing. They

776
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,360
didn't know when it was starting. Nobody

777
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,640
knows.

778
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,280
It's always like behind your back.

779
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Um

780
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,560
Boulder City residents were not properly

781
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,800
informed about this massive project, and

782
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,600
the council failed its duty of due

783
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,160
diligence.

784
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,320
The social media post on Instagram

785
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,520
announcing that this process is

786
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,320
transparent after several protests and a

787
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,120
massive petition

788
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,160
uh started and had already gained over

789
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,320
5,000 signatures, that was pretty

790
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,480
cringeworthy.

791
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,000
You have been sold into an intoxicating

792
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,640
expert-level corporate sales pitch, and

793
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,920
as a MAGA America first person, I'm very

794
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,040
familiar with the sales pitch about

795
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,920
national security,

796
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,520
um the race

797
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,520
in AI against China, unleashing American

798
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,600
energy, removing restrictions, being

799
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,960
number one.

800
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,280
Um

801
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,640
the AI race with China, mass national

802
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,080
security, that stuff sells really well.

803
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,920
Uh

804
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,280
especially

805
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,600
Well, the grim reality will hit later.

806
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,720
Across the country, these data center

807
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,720
salesmen are taking advantage of easy to

808
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,160
roll over gullible small towns.

809
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,920
There will never be an end. They will

810
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,400
always want more.

811
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,440
This first project is just a foot in the

812
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,400
door door to turn Nevada into the next

813
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,280
Virginia. They build in clusters. They

814
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,720
will never build just one.

815
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:16,440
And then back the resources have been

816
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,520
touched on enough. So,

817
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,760
um water is more vola- more important

818
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,360
than a volatile AI industry.

819
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,000
We already suffer from summer rolling

820
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,200
blackouts and high utility rates.

821
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,390
>> up. If you could just wrap it up in the

822
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:28,400
» up. If you could just wrap it up in the

823
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,640
next couple seconds, please.

824
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,750
>> managed by inept office. This deal

825
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:31,760
» managed by inept office. This deal

826
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,400
grants long-term tax abatements to a

827
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,160
mega corporation while forcing residents

828
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,400
to foot the bill through increased

829
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,400
rates.

830
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,600
The promised 25 to 40 jobs will not go

831
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,920
to locals. They will bring in their own

832
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,080
people.

833
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,400
And then the rest of my comments

834
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,550
>> Your time's up. Thank you.

835
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:44,560
» Your time's up. Thank you.

836
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,830
>> about the wildlife.

837
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:46,840
» about the wildlife.

838
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Thank you.

839
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,040
We have somebody on the phone if uh

840
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,590
please

841
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,430
Public comment, go ahead.

842
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,640
Hello there. My name is Tommy Love.

843
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I'm a registered nurse and a community

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healthcare worker

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who loves Boulder City deeply.

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I am calling because this affects every

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person in the valley.

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And I'm using my voice to ask you not to

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approve the data centers in Boulder

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City.

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00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,200
The community is already living under a

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tier one Colorado River water shortage

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restriction,

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which means that it reduces Nevada's

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water consumption every year by 20,000

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acres per year.

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That's not sustainable already.

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Our neighbors are being asked to pull

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their grass,

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shorten their showers,

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and stretch every drop.

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And now we're being asked to approve an

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88-acre data center campus right next to

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the res- reservoir that supplies almost

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all of our drinking water.

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This infrastructure is not here to help

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people.

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It is here to monitor them.

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It exists to collect and store data on

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the very communities being asked to

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sacrifice their water for it.

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We should be putting this land towards

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resources that actually serve the people

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who live here.

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Affordable housing, community health,

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local jobs, and real accountability.

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These data centers are not for the

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community.

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They're for the corporations and the

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billionaires behind them who will never

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have to live with what they leave

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behind.

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They take the water, they use the land,

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and we have to pay and live with these

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consequences.

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Think of what we could build with this

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community land of 88 acres.

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Think of how many people we could help

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and the things we could accomplish.

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Boulder City and the Valley deserves

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better.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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Madam City Clerk, is there another

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caller?

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Go come forward, please.

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00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,400
Hi, my name is Brenda Delarmie, and I am

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respectfully asking you to reject the

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proposal for Town Site 2 in agenda item

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3. Um frankly, most of us are here

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because nobody wants us.

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We've heard from numerous politicians

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,040
who have come here to Boulder City to

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show their support for their hopeful

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future constituents. And I know you are

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not the council, but we are all

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,480
frustrated and curious as to why our own

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council who we elected are not listening

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to so many of their own constituents.

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Um the change.org petition I started not

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even 2 months ago has 5,911

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signatures as of this moment. And the

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city on their website and in talking to

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them and talking to the applicant,

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they've said things such as, "Well,

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they'll just go next door to Henderson."

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And well, I

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don't think data centers belong anywhere

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in Southern Nevada, in the Mojave

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Desert, in the second fastest warming

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region in the United States, and in the

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drought-stricken Colorado River Basin.

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Um well, to them I'd ask if everyone

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,160
else is jumping off a bridge, would you

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00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,160
do it? And Boulder City has never

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accepted that mantra and as one example,

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we're historic town at our heart and

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soul.

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And

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um one example of that is with respect

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to gambling. We've all said we just

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don't want it in this town, even though

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it's lucrative, it would bring a ton of

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money.

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And you can do it just right up the

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,080
street at Railroad Pass, a 5-minute

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drive away. We've said we don't care, we

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don't want it, bring it there. So, that

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would be my response to them on just

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that one issue. And

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I'll come back to speak at

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the actual public hearing. So, thank you

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all.

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Hi, my name is Cherabel Law.

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» So,

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I wanted to start by saying something a

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little bit different. We're going to

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00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,600
hear a lot of negativity tonight, and of

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00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,480
course we are. This is a very rough

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00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,760
subject.

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But, I want to start by saying just how

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proud I am of Boulder City and all of

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,160
its citizens. I have never seen people

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00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,080
come together on a bipartisan issue in

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00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,720
this way. We have thousands of people,

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00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,720
no matter their political positions,

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00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,480
coming together. People who I have seen

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,040
literally threaten each other stand side

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00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,800
by side on this issue saying no to data

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,440
centers. So, I'm so proud of our people.

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01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,720
I wish I could say I was proud of our

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01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,480
council, but I am very disappointed in

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01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,280
them.

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Please don't let me be disappointed in

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you guys.

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Um

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and sorry for my voice shaking. This is,

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,520
of course, a very emotional thing. This

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01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,880
is my home,

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01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,880
and it is heartbreaking what is

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,560
happening.

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And I've heard so many people from all

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around Boulder City say that they're not

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01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:25,480
going to come speak up and they're not

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01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,360
going to sign everything because they

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,200
feel like it doesn't matter because it's

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,520
a {quote} done deal because City Council

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,920
is brushing us off.

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,000
So, what I want everyone to hear is your

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,360
voice does still matter. It's not a done

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,480
deal, and complacency is where the real

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01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,440
issue lies on this. Come up here. Stand

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,160
up. Speak. Even if you only come up and

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01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
say your name and say say no to data

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01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,040
centers, that can be your entire speech,

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,920
and then you can go sit down.

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,400
Whether it's AC or water,

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01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,760
either one it's going to be damaging. It

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,480
is so much cheaper for these types of

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,880
industries to just dump it back into the

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01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,040
environment and pay a fee than it is to

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,520
properly get rid of it. It doesn't

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:15,080
matter whether it's Freon or water or

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01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,080
literally it could be root beer, and

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,520
they're going to figure out a way to

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,120
damage the environment with it. It's how

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,760
it always goes.

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,840
And it's going to damage tourism. I have

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01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,680
heard so many tourists come through our

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01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,240
town and talk about the beautiful views.

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,880
And we want to just wreck them with a

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,440
stupid center?

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,640
Why?

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,520
We're going to damage our long-term

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,240
money from tourism. We're a highway

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,360
town.

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,280
If we keep up with this, we're just

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01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,960
going to be a highway because there

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01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,360
won't be a Boulder City left because

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,520
everyone's going to leave because it's

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,240
going to be too expensive, it's going to

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,400
be too hot, and it will be a hellhole to

1012
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,240
live in. It is a beautiful town and I

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,080
love this place.

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,680
And I don't want it to see I don't want

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,520
to see it go down this route, but we're

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,960
going to. Our people should not be sold

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,600
for pocket change, our land shouldn't be

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,240
sold for pocket change, our health, our

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,200
water, our electricity. All of it

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01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000
shouldn't be sold for what is not going

1021
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,920
to be worth it.

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,280
And

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01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,320
it doesn't matter if Henderson tries to

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,000
build something. We can go over there

1025
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,320
and try to argue against Henderson, but

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,840
like Brin said,

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,680
we're not going to jump off a bridge

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,080
just because someone else is going to,

1029
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,520
and we definitely shouldn't jump off

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,720
first.

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,760
So,

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01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,760
if Henderson tries to put something

1033
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,600
that's out here, then they do, and we're

1034
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,880
going to fight it just as we're fighting

1035
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,640
this, and I hope we can be listened to.

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,158
Thank you.

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01:02:35,158 --> 01:02:49,070
>> [applause]

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01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,320
» Hello, my name is Vincent and I've been

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01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,880
a resident of Boulder City for 6 months.

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01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,240
A few months back, my mother came to me

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,040
with a song that she liked, and uh

1042
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,240
having just done some research, I

1043
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,760
immediately spotted it as a product of

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01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,320
AI.

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01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,880
Knowing buying that song would support

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01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,400
data centers like the one being proposed

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,320
now,

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,880
I explained and pleaded as much as a

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01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,600
17-year-old could that we should cease

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,120
all utilization of AI.

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01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,120
This includes ChatGPT, Siri, Apple

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01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480
Intelligence, or any generative AI.

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01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,800
This data center is primarily for it.

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,280
Despite years ago AI being heralded as

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,000
the future,

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,160
it has done a net negative on society,

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,320
and you can trust me on this as my

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01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,440
generation has abused it for social

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,080
media clicks, cheating on assignments,

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,400
and everything that is designed

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01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,040
to better society and increase our

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,080
intelligence, and it has done the

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,520
opposite.

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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,760
Between AI art commissions for my

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01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,600
friends and music for my family,

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,560
AI takes human creativity out of its

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,560
algorithm and produces slop as most

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,920
people call it.

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01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,680
At the height of AI use, a single AI

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,480
prompt could use up to 50 times the

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,000
energy for a Google search.

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,120
This data center will continue to

1073
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,920
perpetuate this problem. This should

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,480
bring even more pause to the residents

1075
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,760
of the city.

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,960
We are blessed to have the Hoover Dam, a

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,400
true testament of human creativity and

1078
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,880
ingenuity, and a true marvel.

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,320
And it is ironic that this data center

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01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,040
will leech off of it to make more videos

1081
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,360
and photos spreading misinformation and

1082
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,120
collecting and collating data for our AI

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,680
overlords.

1084
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,360
Now for the physical problems of this

1085
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,440
modern brick eyesore.

1086
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,080
I walk to work on Boulder Parkway, and

1087
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,480
on my lunch breaks it's cathartic to

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01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,680
look upon the view and the vastness to

1089
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,520
the west and see the mountains. With the

1090
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,400
solar panel field already a blemish in

1091
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,680
that view, the city doesn't need another

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,200
contemporary installation that's just a

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01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,360
glorified cinder block of energy and

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01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,920
water-sucking wastefulness.

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01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,120
How do you think tourists would feel

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,200
driving into Boulder City, historic

1097
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,360
Boulder City, and seeing that?

1098
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,680
Plain and simple, it subtracts from what

1099
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Boulder City is known and is praised

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,440
for.

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01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,760
Third and the simplest of my points,

1102
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,440
what does this center actually provide

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01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:49,920
for its citizens? I have not heard a

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,680
single single argument for why it should

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01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,040
be here for the

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,600
betterment of all 15,000 residents.

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,520
The only thing I've heard is that it

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,320
will generate 1.5 million for the city's

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,200
budget every year in addition to the 2.6

1110
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,680
million for the lease in its first year.

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,640
Boulder City gets 35% of its revenue

1112
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,680
from land leases, but I don't think it's

1113
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,920
worth it.

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01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,400
History repeats itself. The last time we

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01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,400
let outside big interests into Boulder

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,600
City, it was the school board and it

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01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:16,760
tanked the performance of our school

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01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,880
which were the best in the state at the

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01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,520
time.

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01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,880
Why do we want this power creep to come

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01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,040
up here? I can speak for a number of

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,560
people not even including those here at

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,000
the protest that we don't want this. The

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,480
consensus is no.

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,840
Finally, in the 1930s, there was a

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,160
checkpoint to get into Boulder City

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,400
instituted by the government to keep

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01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,280
outside elements out, certain

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01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,760
undesirable ones.

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01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:36,800
Now we don't have an official

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01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,480
checkpoint. We are the checkpoint.

1132
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,360
We don't want this data center.

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,440
The consensus is clear. Please vote no

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,960
and please do not let this Boulder this

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,800
disgusting data center be built in this

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:51,800
city.

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01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,625
Thank you.

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01:05:53,625 --> 01:06:01,030
>> [applause]

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01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,120
» Rosanne Raviola Milly

1140
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,600
and

1141
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,000
the question is very the issue

1142
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,040
is very simple.

1143
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,190
The issue is

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,600
the many

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,240
versus

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01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,400
the money.

1147
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,410
Now,

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01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:25,750
>> [clears throat]

1149
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:25,760
» [clears throat]

1150
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,750
>> if Boulder City's budget

1151
01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:28,760
» if Boulder City's budget

1152
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,750
is in such bad shape,

1153
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,520
I can show them a bunch of places,

1154
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,160
but nobody's interested

1155
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,160
in hearing what I have to say

1156
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,600
and that's why

1157
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,320
I lost a job as public information

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,240
officer.

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,400
The truth

1160
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,200
has not

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,720
been coming out.

1162
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,040
If I can talk

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01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,320
to three people

1164
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,950
who are representing

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,600
town city number 217,

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,400
what you call it, I don't care.

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,630
And they all give me different answers.

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Is this storage?

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01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Are we

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,200
having

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01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,920
a lease for storage,

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,480
energy storage,

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01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:41,110
or are we building data centers?

1174
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,640
All I have to say is

1175
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,560
no matter what you recommend tonight,

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,480
you know darn well

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01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,240
yes or no,

1178
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,720
it's going to the council.

1179
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,360
And what has to happen,

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,360
they have to understand.

1181
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,280
Is it the money? And I think they're

1182
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,880
getting really shortchanged,

1183
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,822
big time. Or is it the many?

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01:08:11,832 --> 01:08:22,590
» [applause]

1185
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,710
» Public comment, go ahead.

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01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,870
Hello.

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,990
Public comment.

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01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,480
Hello. My name is Jennifer Levin, and I

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01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,160
have been a resident here in Boulder

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,640
City for for about 10 or 11 years. Um

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01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,080
And of course, I'm going to be speaking

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,880
on the data center like so many. Um I'd

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,960
like to say to that young man who spoke,

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,240
well done.

1195
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,400
Absolutely well done. That was

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,359
outstanding. Um

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01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,359
You know, and just like so many of our

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01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,560
other constituents here, I'm obviously

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,480
absolutely against this data center.

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01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,839
You've heard and will continue to hear.

1201
01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:09,000
Of course, there's the common sense that

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,640
we already have limited water resources

1203
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,480
and the consideration of taxing them is

1204
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,920
absolutely, you know, taxing them even

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,640
further is absolutely absurd.

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,040
The damage by the forever chemicals.

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,040
I've spoken at the city council meetings

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,359
because I was an assistant project

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01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,480
manager for a different company that

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01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,520
used a closed loop system and I can say

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01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,960
unequivocally, it's not as simple as

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,480
they're saying that it is. Those systems

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01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:38,680
go down, they need maintenance, it's a

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,640
regular part of it otherwise they

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,720
wouldn't need a maintenance team on site

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,680
like all of them need. And those

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,759
systems, they they leech the chemicals

1218
01:09:48,759 --> 01:09:51,080
into the environment around us. We've

1219
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,680
heard about the destruction of children

1220
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,080
of wildlife. The poor people who live in

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,520
Nelson don't and they live so close.

1222
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,200
They don't even have a voice in this but

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,400
none of that's being considered.

1224
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,600
You know, when I think about this, it's

1225
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,160
an issue

1226
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,400
that, you know, just just like it's been

1227
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,520
said, the majority of constituents are

1228
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,280
coming out and they're saying absolutely

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01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,520
not.

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01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,720
Yet we're being ignored and told that

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,200
our voices don't matter, that there

1232
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,880
aren't enough of us speaking up and as

1233
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,720
the numbers grow,

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,160
I'm, you know, I wonder if about 6,000

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01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,840
people are enough voices yet. When these

1236
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,520
conversations are just being thrown by

1237
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,080
the wayside, when conversations quietly

1238
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,600
amongst citizens here, you know, it's

1239
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,000
it's under the consideration. It's been

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,320
researched and what the next step?

1241
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,360
Under the consideration of having the

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,480
entire city council removed, which is

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01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,000
our right and it may be the option that

1244
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,880
we as the constituents step into.

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Um, it doesn't need to be this

1246
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,720
ridiculous.

1247
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,000
I'm I'm grateful our public servants do,

1248
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,240
like you guys do what you do. But the

1249
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:58,960
reality is and it is absolutely

1250
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,360
undeniable that the majority of the

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,160
citizens and constituents in Boulder

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,800
City are absolutely and vehemently

1253
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,560
against this.

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01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,120
Um

1255
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,800
you know, we're not not one single

1256
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,520
community as so many of us has

1257
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,240
researched this. Not one community

1258
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,640
across the entire country has said,

1259
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,560
"This has made our community better.

1260
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,920
This has made our environment better.

1261
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,360
This has made the people healthier."

1262
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,720
We all know when it's undeniable that

1263
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,280
the exact opposite is true. And it

1264
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,160
doesn't matter if it's these {quote}

1265
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,480
{unquote} newer types, the situation is

1266
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,800
still the same and and I'm just

1267
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,200
absolutely aghast at the fact that

1268
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,560
anyone would sit down on this council

1269
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,760
elected or paid, right? Everybody in

1270
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,280
this audience on the phone and out in

1271
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,000
the air the one

1272
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,150
>> Lovett, your time's up.

1273
01:11:55,150 --> 01:11:55,160
» Lovett, your time's up.

1274
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,520
I'm sorry? Your time's up.

1275
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:58,960
Thank you.

1276
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,550
>> Okay. Thank you for your Thank you for

1277
01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:00,560
» Okay. Thank you for your Thank you for

1278
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,280
your comments.

1279
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,200
Okay, I just I hope that this

1280
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,280
destruction isn't the destiny you guys

1281
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,440
want cuz it's not the one we want. Thank

1282
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:08,760
you.

1283
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:14,990
>> Thank you.

1284
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,720
Hi, my name is Kendra and I'm a Boulder

1285
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,640
City resident. I went to the two open

1286
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,880
houses and I heard one thing, trust us.

1287
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,200
Trust us that we'll handle the

1288
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,360
wastewater appropriately. Trust us it's

1289
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,040
not going to make the environment that

1290
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,640
much hotter. Trust us it won't hurt your

1291
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,400
power resources.

1292
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:33,280
You know, there are three kinds of

1293
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,560
people who say trust me, con men, cult

1294
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,040
leaders and I guess corporations that

1295
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,440
build data centers. And in the past I've

1296
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,640
learned that anybody who says trust me

1297
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,920
should not be trusted.

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01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,320
I grew up over the hill in Henderson and

1299
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,520
throughout my childhood the corporations

1300
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,360
on Lake Mead were telling us, "No, we're

1301
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,120
not releasing chemicals into the air

1302
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,400
every night.

1303
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,760
You're just coughing constantly and

1304
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,480
being kept up for hours as a child

1305
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,160
because of not our fault. It wasn't us.

1306
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,920
Today we know that in fact they were

1307
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,840
releasing chemicals over that valley.

1308
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,960
People in Cadence can't plant fruits and

1309
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,160
vegetables in their backyards because of

1310
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,720
what happened over 20 years ago.

1311
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,520
I don't want Boulder City to become like

1312
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,040
that. I have a 10-year-old daughter.

1313
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,560
I don't want to have to sit up at night

1314
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,000
like my mother had to with me at 8 years

1315
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,800
old and watch me struggle to breathe

1316
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,080
because of what they were doing to our

1317
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,080
city.

1318
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,080
I don't want that to happen here and I

1319
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,480
don't think that the people of Boulder

1320
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:31,360
City do either.

1321
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,440
We've been dismissed. We've been told

1322
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,360
that we don't understand. We've been

1323
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,880
told that we just need to read the

1324
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,960
research. And yet we continue to say,

1325
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,040
"We don't want this." And I would remind

1326
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,440
the City Council, who I hope is

1327
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:46,200
listening to this, that we are your

1328
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,680
employers. We, the people sitting in

1329
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,920
this chair, the 15,000 souls who call

1330
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,400
this place home, are your bosses and

1331
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,400
we're telling you no.

1332
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,560
We don't want this.

1333
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,640
It's not worth the cost of our beautiful

1334
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,480
city. It's not worth the cost of our

1335
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:04,560
health.

1336
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,320
We all grew up here in Vegas or many of

1337
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,080
us have and we know what gambling looks

1338
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,480
like and we're not willing to gamble

1339
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,760
with the health of our community

1340
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,880
and with our loved ones. So, we ask you

1341
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,240
to say no. We ask you to decide not to

1342
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,920
do this because we don't trust them. We

1343
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,040
do trust though that they will always

1344
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,560
put profit over people every single time

1345
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,360
and that's not something we want. Thank

1346
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,116
you.

1347
01:14:29,116 --> 01:14:35,350
>> [applause]

1348
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,480
» Hello. My name is Amanda Farrar. I've

1349
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:42,400
lived in Southern Nevada for 26 years

1350
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,440
and I've been a resident of Boulder City

1351
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,160
for 5 years now. Um I left Las Vegas and

1352
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,320
moved to Boulder City uh seeking a

1353
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,640
different type of place uh seeking a

1354
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,680
smaller community where people make

1355
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,920
different types of decisions as a group

1356
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,080
for the betterment of the community. Um,

1357
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,600
I moved here to live in a place uh where

1358
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,400
the people running our town are

1359
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,400
concerned about uh keeping the small

1360
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,200
town character and charm and uh the the

1361
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,040
history uh of our place.

1362
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,360
And uh I think that's why the majority

1363
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,840
of residents of Boulder City who have

1364
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,240
moved here from other places uh came

1365
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,520
here in the first place.

1366
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,120
And uh when I see that uh we have a city

1367
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,040
council, I understand that is not you

1368
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,240
guys, but that we have a city council

1369
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,480
that seems to be disregarding um

1370
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:37,960
blatantly disregarding uh

1371
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:43,160
what from all I see is uh the severe um

1372
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,440
the extreme majority will of of the

1373
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:48,400
people of the residents of the town.

1374
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,640
Um, I I can't believe it. I'm I'm I'm

1375
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,680
really really surprised that this is

1376
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,760
happening in this place. I know that

1377
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,520
corruption exists everywhere, and I know

1378
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,600
that uh

1379
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,280
uh you know, there's a stereotype of

1380
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,200
politicians uh being bought off uh being

1381
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,360
bought out or uh you know, selling out

1382
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,920
communities um for

1383
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,400
uh for cash or whatever it is. And I do

1384
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,560
have concerns that that is what's going

1385
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,880
on here.

1386
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,000
Um, but another of the worst things

1387
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,120
that's happening is that none of us uh

1388
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,760
completely understand uh

1389
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,080
what the total ramifications of the

1390
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,680
building of uh a data center here uh can

1391
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,360
do over time, and I don't believe that

1392
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,920
it takes much time at all uh for our

1393
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,320
environment to be impacted uh severely

1394
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,440
by the construction of something that is

1395
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,480
this large of a scale. Um, I haven't

1396
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,000
done it yet, but I've been wanting to

1397
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,640
put together a map that shows the scale

1398
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,200
of the proposed data center overlaid

1399
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,120
over our historic district and our

1400
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,960
downtown area.

1401
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,240
Uh, I think it's, uh, from what I've

1402
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,840
read, it's, uh, very shocking, uh, the

1403
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,120
scale.

1404
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,440
And that it can, uh, dwarf areas of town

1405
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:09,480
that we think of as being large.

1406
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:12,120
Uh, I think that this decision is, uh,

1407
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,920
something that is, uh, best made with

1408
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,440
all of the information that is, uh, that

1409
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:19,960
is possible.

1410
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,120
Uh, if, uh, anybody were to do that,

1411
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,640
they would never make a decision. But,

1412
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,560
making a decision without information

1413
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,360
such as impact of, uh,

1414
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,600
impact on wildlife,

1415
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,680
uh, and

1416
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,920
actual impact of light pollution,

1417
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:42,280
and what it's going to do to our low,

1418
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,800
uh, quantity of drinking water, which is

1419
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,800
already at dangerously low levels. Ms.

1420
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,960
Ferrari, your time is up.

1421
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,230
>> Yes. Thank you.

1422
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:50,240
» Yes. Thank you.

1423
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,950
>> you. Thank you for your comments.

1424
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:51,960
» you. Thank you for your comments.

1425
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,030
>> you listening. Thank you.

1426
01:17:54,030 --> 01:17:54,040
» you listening. Thank you.

1427
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,000
Anybody else?

1428
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,880
Okay. Let this gentleman go first and

1429
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,560
then we'll do the phone. Come on up,

1430
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:10,750
please.

1431
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,400
Hey, good evening, commission. And good

1432
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:14,960
good evening res- residents of Boulder

1433
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,760
City. My Sir, you might you you only

1434
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,320
address the planning commission. Thank

1435
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:18,640
you.

1436
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,550
>> I appreciate it all the time. My name is

1437
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:20,560
» I appreciate it all the time. My name is

1438
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,760
Gabriel Cornejo. I'm running for

1439
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,040
Congress here in this district. And I

1440
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,600
wanted to present this idea because it's

1441
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,800
something that I learned long ago, that

1442
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:28,840
if you're not at the table, you're on

1443
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,000
the menu. And I got this idea reaffirmed

1444
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,680
having lived in 11 cities across two

1445
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,720
countries, including some very tal-

1446
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,360
small towns just like this where I saw

1447
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,160
the Walton family come in and decimate

1448
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,240
the local population, the small

1449
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:45,880
businesses, the towns because they were

1450
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,040
able to extrapolate their will on that

1451
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,240
community.

1452
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,040
And at this time

1453
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,280
this data center seems very emblematic

1454
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,240
of that moment. In fact, I built a

1455
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,760
company to take on Amazon because I saw

1456
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,760
that same trajectory of that same

1457
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,640
dynamic being able to take place.

1458
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,040
And so at this moment when a lot of

1459
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,520
people are feeling like they're on the

1460
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,600
menu and this data center is not of the

1461
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,560
will of the people

1462
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,960
but of the will of the wealthy.

1463
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,360
What are we doing at this very moment to

1464
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,440
listen to these people? What are we

1465
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,520
doing to not put these people on the

1466
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,280
menu? Because that's exactly what

1467
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,160
they're expressing having been out in

1468
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,200
these

1469
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,480
cities, in these towns, at these

1470
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:30,280
doorsteps, at these gatherings. A lot of

1471
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,880
people feel like

1472
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,680
if we do not make a course correction

1473
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,080
that we are not going to have the

1474
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,960
community that I know that you all want

1475
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,840
to be a part of.

1476
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,920
But it's very important at this time

1477
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,640
that we really consider what is the

1478
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,920
dynamic at play.

1479
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,080
Because we are putting our water, we're

1480
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,000
putting our energy, we're putting our

1481
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,600
well-being

1482
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,600
all up for sale. Seemingly, that's

1483
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:56,840
seems to be the sentiment because you

1484
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,880
guys are very popular today.

1485
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,400
I can't see an empty seat in the house,

1486
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,480
which is astounding.

1487
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,760
That tells you exactly what the young

1488
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,480
man iterated earlier that

1489
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:12,840
things are that dire here and people do

1490
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,480
not feel like they're being heard.

1491
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,080
And so I wanted to have you really

1492
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:18,400
consider

1493
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,840
your part in having

1494
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,240
compelled these people to feel like they

1495
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:23,960
are on the menu

1496
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,080
when you're supposed to be at the table

1497
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,240
for them.

1498
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:34,590
So, that's it.

1499
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,080
» Caller.

1500
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,390
Public comment, go ahead.

1501
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,480
Hello.

1502
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:45,760
Hi, my name is Thomas Remy.

1503
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,960
I'm 92 years old.

1504
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,240
I want to ask you not to approve data

1505
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:51,720
centers.

1506
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,440
We don't want them.

1507
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:56,225
Thank you.

1508
01:20:56,225 --> 01:21:12,230
>> [applause]

1509
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,680
» Hi, good evening. Thank you for having

1510
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,680
us today and allowing us to be able to

1511
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,080
speak. My name is Basia Torres.

1512
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,120
I'm with the Handmaids of Las Vegas. I'm

1513
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,040
here on supportive behalf all the

1514
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,880
constituents and citizens of Boulder

1515
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,200
City here

1516
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,200
um regarding the data center. You've sat

1517
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,640
and you've listened to everything that

1518
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,880
everyone has shown concern of. There's

1519
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,840
not really much I can repeat um that

1520
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,280
hasn't been said already. So, in the

1521
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,680
sake of repetitiveness, I just have one

1522
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,560
thing that I would like to address to

1523
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,880
you guys.

1524
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,120
And that would be Michael,

1525
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,560
Nakisha,

1526
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,840
Tammy,

1527
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:55,640
Steve, Steve, Tony, Maureen, Matt,

1528
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,240
Beth, and Kevin,

1529
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,000
shame on you.

1530
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,840
Shame on you for not listening to your

1531
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,760
citizens, for not listening to the

1532
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,560
people of Boulder

1533
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,360
who are concerned about their health and

1534
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,160
their well-being and the land

1535
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,600
and the community here.

1536
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,080
I came here over 20 years ago and

1537
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,920
Boulder City has been a a refuge for me

1538
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,440
cuz it reminded me of where I lived

1539
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:24,000
previously where my grandkids enjoy

1540
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,400
coming to the 4th of July water parades

1541
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,440
and to the Christmas electric light

1542
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,000
parades, and St. You know, all the

1543
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,600
different jubilees and things that you

1544
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,160
guys do here for the community. These

1545
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,080
things will be affected in addition to

1546
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,720
that, not only for the citizens of

1547
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,160
Boulder City, but also for the rest of

1548
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,440
Vegas and those that come here and are a

1549
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:48,120
part and bring revenue and bring

1550
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,360
our [clears throat] bodies here to come

1551
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,600
and help celebrate with you guys. So,

1552
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,000
I'm asking today

1553
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,400
vote no on data centers in Boulder City

1554
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,977
and in Nevada across the board.

1555
01:23:01,987 --> 01:23:12,510
» [applause]

1556
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,720
» Hello.

1557
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,760
My name's Terri Adamik and I came here

1558
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,840
to listen, but now I feel like I need to

1559
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,000
speak.

1560
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,680
Um I picked up the packet at the back of

1561
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,880
the room and I've been kind of glancing

1562
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,960
through it while you guys have been

1563
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,560
listening to all the statements and I

1564
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,200
have as well.

1565
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,000
But I noticed that there's three

1566
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,840
possibilities.

1567
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,520
Recommend approval, recommend amended

1568
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,480
approval, recommend denial.

1569
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:42,800
And I hope you choose recommend denial,

1570
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,040
but I also noticed that on the back of

1571
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,640
this page

1572
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,480
there's only one resolution and it's for

1573
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:51,640
approval. And I'm wondering why there's

1574
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,680
nothing here for denial.

1575
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,800
Another thing that I noticed when I was

1576
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,200
flipping through there is that there's a

1577
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,240
a plan to put in a water pipe that's

1578
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,960
carries, I think it was a thousand

1579
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,880
gallons per minute.

1580
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,960
They say that it's for extinguishing

1581
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,160
fires, but they also say that they're

1582
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,160
they're going to use fire retardants and

1583
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,920
foams and whatnot. So, why do they need

1584
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,520
such a large water

1585
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,720
pipe to go there if that's the case.

1586
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,720
And that's that's pretty much all I have

1587
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,440
to say. Just two things I noticed. Thank

1588
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:30,413
you.

1589
01:24:30,413 --> 01:24:38,270
>> [applause]

1590
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,720
» Hello everybody.

1591
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:41,960
God bless you guys. You are here

1592
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,560
listening.

1593
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,440
That's what you're doing, right?

1594
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,520
Okay. I'm My name is Nick Iriyadi.

1595
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,560
I'm a 38-year resident. I'm probably the

1596
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,440
first citizen to find out about the data

1597
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,400
center since I drew most of the

1598
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:54,880
conceptuals.

1599
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,400
I want to speak on behalf

1600
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,000
in favor of Mr. Lammers and Skylar

1601
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,400
Technologies being

1602
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,400
absolutely truthful. I've been working

1603
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,240
with them for better part of a decade,

1604
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:05,800
probably over a decade.

1605
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,040
Um

1606
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,040
They're The first thing Rick said to me

1607
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,440
is when this came came up about a year

1608
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,560
and a half ago or more was

1609
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,440
"Give it to me straight. Tell me

1610
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:17,680
anything you think that could be

1611
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,520
negative. Tell Tell me what's going to

1612
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,680
be negative.

1613
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,600
I want to make sure this the community's

1614
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,760
protected and this thing goes in without

1615
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,080
a hitch and everybody is happy. We want

1616
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,440
to make sure that the

1617
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:31,560
first off, safety. That's the most

1618
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,080
important thing." So, I told him, "Well,

1619
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,400
look, I am not going to support this if

1620
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,000
it uses water potable water. I flat out

1621
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,680
I do not want to use the potable potable

1622
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,520
water. We can't in the desert use

1623
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,080
potable water for that."

1624
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,440
There's a alternatives, which they

1625
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:46,400
That's what they did. They got a

1626
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,000
closed-loop system.

1627
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:48,760
I'm sure there's going to be a

1628
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,480
containment barrier so that if it has a

1629
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:53,400
spill, it's not going to get drained

1630
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,200
down to the lake. It's far from the

1631
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:56,720
city.

1632
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,320
We need to stay up with with with the

1633
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:00,880
technology. We got to keep pushing

1634
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,520
forward like we have been. Back when I

1635
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,440
was a young kid, they wanted to build a

1636
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:06,640
gas-fired power plant out there, right?

1637
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,200
Was it There People at the credit union,

1638
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,320
"Oh, it's going to pollute. It's going

1639
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,520
to do this. It's going to do that."

1640
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,520
It got built and I haven't seen a bit of

1641
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,200
pollution, right? It's a great It turned

1642
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:17,920
out to be a great thing for the city.

1643
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,480
All the solar fields I was involved in

1644
01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:21,720
every single solar field

1645
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,920
on the construction and all the leases

1646
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,080
from the very first one up into the

1647
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,760
latest ones. So, I just want to say that

1648
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,000
we have to be open-minded to this and

1649
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,760
you know, there Rick Lammers and Skyler

1650
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,160
opportunities is going to do everything

1651
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,560
they can to protect it. They're He He's

1652
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,240
trying to do it as if it was in his own

1653
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,440
backyard, which is not in our backyard.

1654
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,480
It's out in El Dorado Valley. It's miles

1655
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:48,390
away.

1656
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,400
Uh you know, I'm sworn to protect the

1657
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,000
public as a professional land surveyor

1658
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,600
with boundary lines.

1659
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,440
It's black and white, right? I'm not

1660
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:58,880
going to come up here and just lie for

1661
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,200
money. There's no amount of money that

1662
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:01,800
can get me to change the boundary lines

1663
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,320
of somebody's property. I You just can't

1664
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,120
pay me enough. I I've been offered,

1665
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,000
trust me. There's a certain Disneyland

1666
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,640
house in in town that

1667
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,200
I was offered, but I didn't take it, you

1668
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:11,440
know, it's like

1669
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,000
it's black and white. I can't do that.

1670
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:13,720
That's

1671
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,480
it's against my oath, okay?

1672
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,880
I just want I I know I actually I'm

1673
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,440
really uh

1674
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:21,680
I I really

1675
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,480
the the community here coming together

1676
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:27,360
and and their their conviction is is

1677
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,400
actually

1678
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,920
I commend them for that, you know,

1679
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,160
there's but there's a lot of false and

1680
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,960
misinformation out there. You know, this

1681
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,360
this isn't about a company trying to get

1682
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,480
rich.

1683
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:39,055
This is This is

1684
01:27:39,055 --> 01:27:39,910
>> [laughter]

1685
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:39,920
» [laughter]

1686
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,670
>> Hey, okay.

1687
01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:41,680
» Hey, okay.

1688
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:42,760
Okay.

1689
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,400
Audience, please. Is any business

1690
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:46,720
Is any business

1691
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:47,760
going to be profitable? If it's not

1692
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,080
profitable, it fails, right?

1693
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,040
So, let's just

1694
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,520
give it give it a chance to

1695
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,350
>> Thank you, Mr. Iriart. We appreciate

1696
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:55,360
» Thank you, Mr. Iriart. We appreciate

1697
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,150
your comments.

1698
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:59,880
If we could please be respectful of all

1699
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,640
speakers, um we'd appreciate it.

1700
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:03,760
Everybody should have the equal

1701
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:10,750
opportunity to speak.

1702
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,800
Okay. So, hi. My name is Jim Swan. I

1703
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,000
moved here last year, pretty early in

1704
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,080
the year.

1705
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,160
And I'd like to talk about how, you

1706
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:21,480
know, there's going to be serious

1707
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:23,200
economic and

1708
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:24,840
environmental repercussions from the

1709
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,880
building of this data center, especially

1710
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,360
in that, you know, what, 176 metric tons

1711
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,680
of e-waste that's going to happen.

1712
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:33,840
But what I'm actually going to talk

1713
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,000
mostly about is I moved here from the

1714
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,240
Gulf Coast. I've seen

1715
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,960
a lot of natural disasters. I've seen a

1716
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,280
lot of hurricanes. I was there in

1717
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,960
Galveston when it froze.

1718
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,400
A lot of that is from our failing grid.

1719
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,760
It's not keeping up with technology.

1720
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,480
And I was at a lecture just a few years

1721
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,760
ago where they were talking about how

1722
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,280
the grid's not keeping up with electric

1723
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,240
cars. It's

1724
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,480
just not. The grid keeps going down. We

1725
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:02,040
keep seeing rolling blackouts in more

1726
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,040
places that never happened before.

1727
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,960
A data center is only going to add to

1728
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,280
this.

1729
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,400
I've seen people die. I've seen people

1730
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,240
lose their lives. I've lost neighbors

1731
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,360
because of blackouts.

1732
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:18,606
Don't let that happen here. That's it.

1733
01:29:18,616 --> 01:29:22,590
» [applause]

1734
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,120
» How are y'all doing today?

1735
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,520
My name is Todd Sanford. Um Rick Lammers

1736
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,240
and Nick Gerardi are my partners.

1737
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,160
Um they asked me to speak today. I

1738
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,000
worked uh for US Robotics, 3Com,

1739
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,680
Megahertz for 15 years. Uh I was a

1740
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,320
developer of 3G wireless,

1741
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,600
4G wireless, 5G wireless.

1742
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,680
Been to 130 uh countries doing

1743
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,440
homologations.

1744
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:50,760
And the thing that I wanted

1745
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,040
to say is that

1746
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,960
technology is not invented anymore.

1747
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,400
It's It's It evolves.

1748
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,000
Um US Robotics,

1749
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,280
um Ericsson, Motorola, Intel, all the

1750
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:07,640
giants,

1751
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,200
we already know the technology. We

1752
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,920
already know where it's going, and it's

1753
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,960
a race to who gets the standard, who

1754
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:17,720
homologates it.

1755
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,280
And if you're not on the technology

1756
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,360
wave, you're off it.

1757
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,080
And I do understand there's pros and

1758
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,840
cons to being technology is has its doom

1759
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,840
scroll.

1760
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Hopefully, God will forgive me for that.

1761
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,560
But, um

1762
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,480
when things are developed, it's

1763
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:39,440
uh this is something that could be $2

1764
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:42,160
million a year for the our city, and

1765
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,560
it's safely located away. Um

1766
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,040
Rick Lemmers

1767
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,200
uh polished Nick and I quite a bit and

1768
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,560
taught us about how things work, and

1769
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,440
they go through such a thorough process.

1770
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:58,040
They check for ground, frackie, I mean,

1771
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,640
uh fractures, there's a a whole slew of

1772
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,400
things to protect the environment. When

1773
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,160
we're out surveying,

1774
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:07,760
we sometimes we can't even bring

1775
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,400
vehicles because of the turtles. And we

1776
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,960
have to follow all of those rules, and

1777
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,480
they will be. It's it's something that's

1778
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:18,840
neatly tucked away that will put us

1779
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,000
in the evolution and on the wave of

1780
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,320
technology. It's just something that

1781
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,440
it's it's uh when the men built America,

1782
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:30,040
Carnegie, J.P. Morgan,

1783
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,720
Rockefellers, they weren't bad people.

1784
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,680
They were competing against each other.

1785
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,120
The Pony Express got replaced by the

1786
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,960
railroad, and it's been just evolving,

1787
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,040
then steel, then AC

1788
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,360
was taken out, you know, oil, gas

1789
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,280
invented, all these things. This is an

1790
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,000
inevitable pass uh path that we need I

1791
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,520
think we need to be on. And I I I very

1792
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,720
much support this. And, um if you guys

1793
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,480
have any questions in the future uh

1794
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:01,400
about technology and how this process

1795
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,520
can work, we would love to meet and talk

1796
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,280
about that. Thank you for your time

1797
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,218
today.

1798
01:32:10,228 --> 01:32:19,070
» [applause]

1799
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,560
» Hello, my name is Josh Woods. I'm a here

1800
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,560
on as a representative IBW Local 357.

1801
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:25,960
That is the International Brotherhood of

1802
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,680
Electrical Workers.

1803
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,560
We represent 4,200 members in Southern

1804
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,720
Nevada. Um

1805
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,560
35 which of those families live right

1806
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,040
here in Boulder City.

1807
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,040
Um IBW jobs mean livable wages, wages

1808
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,240
you can raise a family on. It gives your

1809
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,480
family

1810
01:32:43,480 --> 01:32:45,800
and yourself health and welfare, and it

1811
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,480
gives you respectable pension plans

1812
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,960
so that you can retire in dignity.

1813
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,440
Um

1814
01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:54,200
for all these reasons, we support the

1815
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,400
data center here in Boulder City.

1816
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,999
Thank you for your time.

1817
01:33:00,009 --> 01:33:02,830
» [applause]

1818
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:04,480
» Anybody else wishing to speak in the

1819
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,320
initial public comment? Remember there

1820
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,520
is a public hearing

1821
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,760
where we will open um for public comment

1822
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:22,670
as well.

1823
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,320
Is this on? Yes. All right. Um good

1824
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:31,670
evening.

1825
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,480
All righty. Uh well, my name is Mary

1826
01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:35,600
Vanable. I live in Boulder City and I

1827
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,440
have since

1828
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,200
um 1982.

1829
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,440
Uh I have a few points that uh I have

1830
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:45,640
questions about. Uh and generally at

1831
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,720
this point, I'm against the data center,

1832
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,840
and my questions will

1833
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,880
demonstrate why.

1834
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,120
Um I know jobs is one thing that

1835
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,600
everybody is in favor of, but uh I I

1836
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,560
don't believe a whole lot of those

1837
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,360
uh temporary construction jobs or the uh

1838
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,080
how many, let's see, 25 to 40

1839
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,120
technicians might actually be Boulder

1840
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,680
City residents.

1841
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,360
Um I have some comments about the closed

1842
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,840
or questions, I should say, about the

1843
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,880
closed-loop system.

1844
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,840
Uh city's website says the heat

1845
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,840
generated by the servers is contained

1846
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,520
and managed inside the buildings.

1847
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:24,920
Um those buildings are going to be

1848
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,800
1,000° F pretty soon.

1849
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:29,480
I'm being facetious.

1850
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:30,680
Um but of course they're talking about a

1851
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,320
closed-loop system. Um

1852
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,360
a closed-loop system still rejects heat

1853
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,440
somewhere. Uh they're talking about the

1854
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:39,200
um

1855
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,040
air-cooled chillers that are typically

1856
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,360
used in large buildings. Um they do

1857
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,560
reject the heat to the outdoors. Um they

1858
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,480
just use an air system. The refrigerant

1859
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:48,520
goes

1860
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,960
uh is run over fans and the heat is

1861
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,960
rejected to the outside. So, the heat is

1862
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,920
not contained within the buildings. Um

1863
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:56,920
that's

1864
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,640
uh a misstatement that shouldn't be on

1865
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,440
the city's website.

1866
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,160
Let's see. Um

1867
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,320
it's those systems still use some kind

1868
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:06,520
of refrigerant and there are many

1869
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,080
different kinds of refrigerant, but uh

1870
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:10,360
uh they all have global warming

1871
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,440
potential. They all leak, as a previous

1872
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:14,960
speaker mentioned, they take

1873
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,400
maintenance. They all leak to some

1874
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,640
extent. And uh some refrigerants are

1875
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:23,040
poisonous, some are uh

1876
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,040
you know, they're toxic, they're

1877
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,040
flammable sometimes.

1878
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,480
Uh you know, we all use refrigerants, we

1879
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:29,920
have them all in our homes, but uh still

1880
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,160
there there is an environmental downside

1881
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,640
right there.

1882
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,760
Uh the fossil fuel uh backup generators

1883
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,720
also are supposed to use fossil fuels,

1884
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,080
which is detrimental to the atmosphere.

1885
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,440
And the environment.

1886
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:48,400
Uh the idea that

1887
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,200
the data center will not use our city

1888
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,360
electrical system also is is a little to

1889
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,880
me is misleading. They say they will buy

1890
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,080
their power on the open market. Um

1891
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,920
the city also buys its electricity on

1892
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,240
the open market for peaking power.

1893
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:07,600
And uh

1894
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,560
they will be competing with us big time,

1895
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:17,630
I believe. Rates will go up.

1896
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,480
Let's see. And uh I think that was all

1897
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:21,560
the points I wanted to make. So, thank

1898
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,440
you very much. Um I I think this is this

1899
01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:26,120
data center is

1900
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,000
a big thing that will change our clean

1901
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,120
green town forever. We have uh dodged

1902
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,040
that bullet in the past, but I I think

1903
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,920
this is another one of those bullets.

1904
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,771
Thank you.

1905
01:36:38,781 --> 01:37:04,750
» [applause]

1906
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,120
» Good evening, Madam Chair, commission,

1907
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,320
staff, ladies and gentlemen.

1908
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:10,560
Um

1909
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,000
I'm going to try and make this as brief

1910
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,160
and as to the point as possible. My name

1911
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,000
is Brandon Smith for the record. Thank

1912
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,800
you. Um

1913
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:19,600
tonight you've heard from

1914
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,160
probably our

1915
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,040
future mayor at some point from 17

1916
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,560
um up to a 92-year-old gentleman

1917
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:27,680
tonight.

1918
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,040
Um

1919
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,880
represents

1920
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,200
like best case scenario four generations

1921
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of

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Boulder City people.

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Um

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which is what's at what's at stake here.

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We're not talking about

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something that's going to affect us

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today, tomorrow, next week, next year.

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We're talking about a 90-year lease

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here.

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Um it's pretty clear what the uh

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consensus is as far as the country is

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concerned. Small towns right across

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America are being blindsided, decimated,

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and screwed up um

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over the

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uh effects of data centers that weren't

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readily revealed um before or during

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01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,960
construction. Um tonight you've heard

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from a roomful of people who

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uh outwardly reject this proposal. Um

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and unfortunately, we are here tonight

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01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,280
because our council did not have the

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01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,360
foresight to stop it

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in its first iteration. Um you've heard

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from a couple of gentlemen, three

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actually, who support this.

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Um all of whom um

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01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,520
directly benefit from uh it going

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forward. So, I would ask you to keep

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that in mind.

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Um

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The problem is here is I think this is

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being rushed through.

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Um

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» [clears throat]

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>> you know, we would have been here a

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» you know, we would have been here a

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01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,880
month ago if uh TS2 had have had its

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01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,320
way. Uh unfortunately, they were asked a

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,600
bunch of questions that they couldn't

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01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,160
give straight answers to, and I believe

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01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,200
that to still be the case. Um I attended

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both open

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um

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open forums, um and I've asked the same

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01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,160
question of a number of people um

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01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,600
of the representatives, and I was never

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01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:26,120
given the same answer twice. Um I think

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01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,640
in their packets uh again, very

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01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,840
um confusing, conflicting

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information.

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Um and I I asked um

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I asked you guys to really consider uh

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your motivation for moving forward here.

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You are our now second line of defense

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um for this matter. Um I think if we hit

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01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,760
the pause button and um take this out to

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01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,240
the constituents of of Boulder City and

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01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,080
let them speak and let their voices be

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,960
heard, whereas they have not been thus

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01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,720
far, um I think it would serve all

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01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,840
to really listen. Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Brandon.

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>> [applause]

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» [applause]

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>> Anybody else wishing to speak in the

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» Anybody else wishing to speak in the

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initial public comment period?

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Madam City Clerk, is there any Oh, come

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on up, ma'am.

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Hi.

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Barbie O'Quinn here. Good evening and

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thank you. I'm here to speak on the

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long-term well-being of Southern Nev-

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Nev- Southern Nevada, our shared water

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supply, our electric grid, and the

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sustainability of our region as a whole.

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The decisions made in Boulder City don't

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just affect one community, the entire

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01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,600
state, uh the entire valley will be

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01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,160
affected, and everyone who depends on

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01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,840
the same very limited resources.

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I truly believe that thoughtful

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leadership can shape a future where

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innovation and responsibility work hand

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in hand.

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01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,800
We have an opportunity right now to make

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decisions that protect our resources,

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01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,080
strengthen our communities, and set a

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01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:23,240
positive example for the entire state.

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01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,360
My concern is simple and hopeful.

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We should prioritize sustainability

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first. For that reason, I believe the

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01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,480
proposed data centers should not be

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01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:38,480
built here in the Boulder City area.

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Not because I'm against progress, but I

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want the right kind of progress and

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growth.

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The kind that strengthens our region for

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01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,960
the long term instead of stretching it

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01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,400
further.

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01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,520
However, if you are determined to move

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01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:58,960
forward, I

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01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,000
am encouraged by the fact that there are

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01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,040
strong responsible safeguards available.

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I respectfully ask that you ensure

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uh firstly, data centers pay the full

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01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,960
cost of the energy they consume,

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01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,200
including grid upgrades. Secondly, their

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01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,080
demand does not raise power rates for

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01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,240
Nevada families or businesses.

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Thirdly, they meet strict water

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01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,120
conservation standards. This is

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01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:33,320
appropriate for a desert region.

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And finally, that environmental and

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01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:39,600
infrastructure impacts are carried by

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01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,440
the companies, not the public.

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These protections are opportunities to

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01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,440
show that Boulder City leads with

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01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:51,640
wisdom, balance, and care for the

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01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,000
future.

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Thank you for your commitment to keeping

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01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:57,520
Southern Nevada strong,

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01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,280
sustainable, and full of possibility.

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And thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Ms. O'Connell. Is there a

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01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,670
caller? I will take the caller, please.

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Public comment, go ahead.

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01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,960
Hello, can you hear me? Yes.

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01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:17,200
Oh, good.

2051
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Uh my name is Neil Sedaka, and I wanted

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01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,560
to say that I strongly oppose this going

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01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,240
forward. I feel that the crux of the

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01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,440
Planning Commission's decision is in the

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01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:31,560
resolution itself,

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01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,080
where it's based upon

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01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:38,000
the data center being similar

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01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,560
to the adjacent uses of the solar uses,

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01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,200
I don't feel that's the same at all, and

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01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,200
I feel that's an appealable item to the

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01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,120
planning commit to the city council or

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01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,480
to the court. I don't feel that the city

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01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:55,920
planning commission has enough direct

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01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,480
information and is relying on what Mr.

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01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:02,440
Gambers and what the applicant wants to

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01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:03,640
occur.

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01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,040
There's the possibility that this

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01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,680
changes and it helps open the doorway to

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01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,200
other people once this starts. The

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01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,520
overall intent and the overall wording

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01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,880
deals with adding data centers, not just

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01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,040
Mr. Gambers data center. I don't feel it

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01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,480
addresses the tortoises adequately.

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01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:28,840
Um the planning commission is required

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01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,600
to weigh things in terms of the master

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01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,040
plan, and I don't feel this is at all

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01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,840
compatible with the master plan.

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01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,680
The planning commission is required to

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01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,440
listen to the public, which the planning

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01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:43,880
commission is now doing, but the public

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01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,960
is speaking so loudly, I can't see how

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01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,680
the planning commission could ignore

2083
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,680
this. But the crux of this, per your own

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01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,200
resolution,

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01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:57,360
is that the data center is not similar

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01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,480
to the solar fields, and that's an

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01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:03,000
appealable and a court should be looked

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01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,480
at matter.

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01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,360
I oppose this, and I hope the planning

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01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,440
commission realizes that they don't have

2091
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:12,360
the expertise to make a full decision on

2092
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:13,360
this.

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01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:19,110
Thank you very much.

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01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:20,960
Any other public comment from members of

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01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,680
the audience?

2096
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:28,950
I have a public comment.

2097
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,920
Hi. Thank you for your time. My name is

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01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:32,320
Karen Newcomer

2099
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,400
and I'm sorry that we were late. We got

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01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,360
off work and came directly here, but

2101
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:38,840
I don't have a I didn't have a prepared

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01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,040
speech. I just want to say I'm sure

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01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,120
people have already covered the concerns

2104
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:46,080
about electricity and water and

2105
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:47,840
I just want I'm not above begging.

2106
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,640
Please don't do this. It will hurt

2107
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,640
it will hurt so many people and help so

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01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:53,760
few.

2109
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,240
This These kind of data centers don't

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01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,120
increase employment a great deal

2111
01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:59,480
compared to what they cost the

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01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:02,430
communities.

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01:46:02,440 --> 01:46:04,560
I hope that you take this into account

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01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,520
that it's going to there will be jobs

2115
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,520
for while it's getting built. A lot of

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01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,240
those will come from out of state or

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01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,600
someplace else and after that it's going

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01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,560
to help very few people and it's going

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01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,920
to hurt many many people who will lose

2120
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,480
their jobs.

2121
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,320
So, I just hope that you take all those

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01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,040
things into account and please don't do

2123
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,040
this. Thank you.

2124
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:25,920
Thank you, Karen. Is there a caller,

2125
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:27,960
Madam City Clerk? I'll take the caller.

2126
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:36,030
I'm going to take the caller.

2127
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:37,200
The caller must have hung up. Is there

2128
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:38,880
anybody else that wants to speak an

2129
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,240
initial Oh.

2130
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,280
Did Put her on Tammy, put her on hold.

2131
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,680
Oh, sorry. Hello, my name is Savannah

2132
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,240
Beck. I'm a resident of Henderson, but I

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01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,600
care about all of Nevada. I'm currently

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01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,800
a medic and but I previously worked in

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01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,160
the technology industry for 18 years

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01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:57,800
before being laid off due to AI. Data

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01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,560
centers are detrimental to our

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01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,920
ecosystem, public health, and our

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01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,280
already extremely limited water supplies

2140
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,360
from Lake Mead. We have had to go from

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01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,040
cutting back on watering grass to

2142
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,200
removing grass completely to being told

2143
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,080
locals need to cut back and save water

2144
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,440
even more, but yet you want to allow a

2145
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:16,600
data center to be built that will no

2146
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,480
doubt cause us to run out of water for

2147
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:21,080
the people of Nevada to use. Also, data

2148
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,240
centers in other areas of the country

2149
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:25,800
are making it citizens sick. It is

2150
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,680
literally poisoning poisoning them.

2151
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,520
Just like so many other companies

2152
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,920
poisoning innocent people like DuPont,

2153
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,440
PG&E, Flint, Michigan. Their list goes

2154
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:38,760
on and on. I don't want to have anything

2155
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:40,760
built close to me, my loved ones, the

2156
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,960
elderly, children, strangers, or animals

2157
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,480
that will poison them. If you want the

2158
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:48,640
the data center so bad, go to move to a

2159
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,280
rural area that already has some and buy

2160
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,960
someone's house that lives right next to

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01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,120
it. Would you drink the brown water that

2162
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,320
is now coming out of their taps? Would

2163
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:58,920
you like to have the bright lights

2164
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,280
shining through your windows constantly

2165
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,120
and constant buzzing sounds from the

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01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,640
data center 24/7? There are tons of

2167
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:07,440
videos from people that live next to

2168
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:09,280
data centers that show what it's really

2169
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:11,600
like and how detrimental it is. Reno

2170
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,920
fought back against the data center and

2171
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,160
so are we. We are signing or you are

2172
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,160
signing a death sentence for all of us

2173
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,280
if you vote to allow the data center to

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be built here. Please say no to data

2175
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:24,120
centers in Boulder City, the surrounding

2176
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:25,920
areas, and the rest of the country.

2177
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,840
Please stop letting corporations and

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01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,040
billionaires ruin our beautiful country

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01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,760
and poisoning us. Thank you.

2180
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,880
Thank you, Savannah. It's Shoshana, come

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01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,710
on up.

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01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:41,160
Hello, my name is Shana and first of all

2183
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,320
I want to thank you guys for all

2184
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,440
patiently listening to everybody's

2185
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,600
comments. I am not in favor of this for

2186
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,800
many reasons that have been spoken.

2187
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:51,520
But I kind of want to apologize for the

2188
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,920
comment that was shame on you because we

2189
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:55,840
haven't even given you guys a chance to

2190
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,520
to voice your opinion. So, just thank

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01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:00,640
you for listening. Um I know each one of

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you are residents here. We're all here

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01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:06,120
for a reason and um again, thank you for

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01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,840
your patience and your time and we want

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01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,240
to give you guys the opportunity to

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01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:12,680
speak before anybody says shame on you.

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01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:13,920
Thank you.

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01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,680
Thank you, Shana.

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01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,320
Anybody else wishing to speak in the

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01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,320
initial public comment period?

2201
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,920
I'm going to hold for 30 seconds because

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01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,960
we do have a delay for those watching at

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01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:27,160
home. So, we'll give the people watching

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01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,160
at home this last 30 seconds to be able

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01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,000
to call in on the initial public comment

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01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,440
period.

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01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:35,120
Please keep in mind if you're listening

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01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,320
at home, once the public comment period

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01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,800
is closed, we cannot reopen it. You will

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01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:41,920
not have the opportunity to speak until

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01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,120
the next public comment period is open.

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01:49:44,120 --> 01:50:03,630
Thank you.

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01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,800
Okay, I will close the first public

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01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:07,800
comment period and move to item number

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01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,760
one for possible action, approval of the

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01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:14,080
minutes for the April 15th, 2026 regular

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01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,990
meeting. Do I have a motion?

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01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:19,680
I'll second. I have a motion and a a

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01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,680
second. All in favor say

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01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,640
I. I. Any opposed?

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01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:26,360
Motion carries.

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01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:29,600
Item number two is for possible action,

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01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,680
matters pertaining to a proposed zoning

2224
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,960
ordinance text amendment. This will

2225
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,000
include a public hearing. Staff.

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01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,440
Good evening, Chairman Crown, members of

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01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:40,240
the commission. Nakisha Lyon, planning

2228
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,280
manager with the community development

2229
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:44,640
department. Uh this item is for

2230
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:46,640
consideration of a request to amend

2231
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,680
title 11, chapter 13 of the city code.

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01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:51,880
This is to authorize the growing and

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01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:53,760
wholesaling of crops and other related

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01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,320
agricultural and horticultural

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01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,920
activities if such crops are grown and

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01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,440
harvested within an enclosed

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01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,600
environmentally controlled structure and

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01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:02,880
are grown without the use of any

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01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,680
pesticides, herbicides, or other

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chemicals sprayed or applied to the

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01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,920
crops other than natural nutrients. And

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01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:11,920
this is to add it as a permitted use in

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01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:14,160
the CM commercial manufacturing zoning

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01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,560
district. Uh earlier this year, the

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01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,760
applicant uh Boulder City Botanicals

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01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,240
Company LLC, with consent from the

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01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,480
property owner of a CM zoned lot,

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01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:26,000
applied for this zoning text amendment

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01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,160
to enable uh their property, if approved

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01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,280
by the City Council, to be used to

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01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,640
develop an indoor plant propagation and

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01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,000
cultivation operation within an existing

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01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,080
commercial building along Wells Road.

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01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,960
The text amendment, if approved by the

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01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,440
City Council, would apply to all CM

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01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:44,280
zoned properties in Boulder City, and

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01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:46,200
this is shown on the screen um on the

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01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,400
map. The area is indicated in red.

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01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:50,880
Currently, the CM commercial

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01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,840
manufacturing zone does not allow for

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01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,680
agricultural uses. The A1 special

2262
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:57,760
agricultural zone does permit uh for

2263
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,560
this uh use by right.

2264
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,760
Uh starting on page 24 of the agenda

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01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,080
packet, staff has provided um some

2266
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,400
additional context regarding how other

2267
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:09,320
uh Southern Nevada jurisdictions uh

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01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:11,080
permit similar types of agricultural

2269
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,640
uses within jurisdictions. Just to

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01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,800
summarize, indoor agriculture, crop

2271
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,880
production, market gardens, nurseries,

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01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:20,440
and other urban agricultural uses are

2273
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:22,360
permitted across a broad range of zoning

2274
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:23,840
districts, particularly within

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01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,160
commercial, industrial, agricultural,

2276
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,560
and certain uh mixed-use uh zoning

2277
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:29,960
districts.

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01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:31,760
Commercial districts frequently allow

2279
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,080
these uses either by right, a special

2280
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,600
use permit, or a conditional use permit.

2281
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,320
And then, industrial zoning districts

2282
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,920
like the CM zone within Boulder City are

2283
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:42,720
among the most permissive areas for

2284
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,280
these activities with indoor

2285
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,200
agricultural, uh hydroponics, uh plant

2286
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,200
nurseries, and agricultural processing

2287
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,000
often permitted by right in these types

2288
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,840
of zoning districts.

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01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,080
Uh most jurisdictions emphasize that

2290
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,400
indoor agricultural operations occur

2291
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,960
within an enclosed building and include

2292
01:52:59,960 --> 01:53:01,840
certain operational standards related to

2293
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,800
lighting, screening, parking,

2294
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,360
irrigation, wholesale and retail sales,

2295
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:08,080
and then uh compatibility with the

2296
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,800
surrounding uses.

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01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,760
So, based on the applicant's request,

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01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,320
the proposed amendment adds the use, and

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01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,280
that's subject to several conditions

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01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,680
within the proposed text amendment.

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01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,440
There's clarification that the amendment

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01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:24,920
does not permit the cultivation,

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01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:26,600
processing, distribution, and use of

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01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,320
marijuana, or sorry, sale of marijuana,

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01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:32,960
which is already prohibited by our code.

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01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,760
Outdoor growing areas would only be

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01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,560
allowed when they're incidental and

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01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,280
subordinate to the principal indoor use,

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01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,120
and would need to be screened from

2310
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,000
public rights-of-way.

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01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,040
And then retail sales would only be

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01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:47,920
allowed when incidental and subordinate

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01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,360
to the primary operation, as well.

2314
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:51,360
And then there are standards for

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01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,280
lighting associated with the crop

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01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:54,960
production indoors, which would be

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01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,240
required to be fully shield, downward

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01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,680
directed, and designed to prevent glare

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01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,720
or light spillover onto adjacent

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01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:05,160
properties or rights-of-way.

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01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,480
Chapter 33 of Title 11 provides for the

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01:54:07,480 --> 01:54:09,440
applicable standards and findings that

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01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:11,960
must be made for a text amendment, and

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01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,240
staff finds that the proposed zoning

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01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,840
amendment does not require amendment to

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01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,840
the city's adopted master plan, and does

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01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:20,200
not conflict with the goals and

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01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:23,280
objectives of this particular plan.

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01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,400
Impacts in regards to existing land use,

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01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,320
adjacent uses,

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01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,320
adjacent areas, utilities, noise,

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01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,400
drainage, and character of the existing

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01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,640
neighborhoods will be evaluated upon the

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01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,280
applicable permitting process related to

2335
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,400
this type of use on a specific property,

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01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:39,840
and they're not applicable to this

2337
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,440
general zoning text amendment at this

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01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:42,560
time.

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01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,280
During that applicable permitting

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01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:46,160
process, compliance with building code,

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01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,480
fire code, public works requirements and

2342
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:49,880
standards, and then other applicable

2343
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,200
provisions within Title 11 and the city

2344
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,720
code will be evaluated. The proposed

2345
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,360
ordinance language is subject to um

2346
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,680
change pending legal review, and then

2347
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:01,520
additional recommendations made by the

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01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,320
planning commission if any tonight.

2349
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,440
The item was noticed in conformance with

2350
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,120
city code. We haven't received any

2351
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:10,320
written public comments. So, the request

2352
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,120
before the commission tonight is to hold

2353
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,240
the public hearing, deliberate, and make

2354
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:15,960
a motion to either recommend approval or

2355
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,240
denial of the request using the draft

2356
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,600
motion language that is on page 33 of

2357
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,880
the agenda packet. Staff is available

2358
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:24,320
for any questions that the commission

2359
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,240
may have. We also have

2360
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,080
representatives, the owners of the

2361
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,200
Boulder City Botanical Pools company,

2362
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,680
Avi and Richard. They're here and they

2363
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:34,080
can answer any specific questions that

2364
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,960
you have. Thank you.

2365
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,520
Thank you, Nakisha. Does

2366
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:40,760
any of the commissioners have any

2367
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:45,070
questions for staff or the applicant?

2368
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:46,400
Go ahead.

2369
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,120
Is there any plan to limit square

2370
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,480
footage of these facilities so we don't

2371
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,000
have like a 100,000 square foot

2372
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,800
facility using a ton of electricity for

2373
01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:00,870
the Uh no, not at this time.

2374
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,440
Any other questions for staff or the

2375
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:04,360
applicant?

2376
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:07,040
Go ahead, Matt.

2377
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:08,800
Um this is, I believe, a question for

2378
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,200
the applicant.

2379
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:11,240
Um

2380
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,000
is there any estimate of the amount of

2381
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,480
water that and power that

2382
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:19,750
this facility will use?

2383
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:26,270
» [clears throat]

2384
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:29,000
» Uh my name is Ri- Richard Galvin.

2385
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,520
And I'm the

2386
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,560
co-owner of Boulder City Botanical

2387
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,480
Company. This is my business partner,

2388
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,000
Avi Muwas.

2389
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,120
Um

2390
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:39,000
the amount of water we we did a

2391
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:40,840
calculation is probably about 300

2392
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:42,840
gallons a day

2393
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:45,440
that we would use, but that's not

2394
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:47,560
counting cuz we're going to have

2395
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,440
air conditioning units that are going to

2396
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:51,560
take the humidity out of the air. So,

2397
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:53,280
it's we're going to contain a lot of

2398
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,200
that water back into the system. And

2399
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,480
then any waste water we have is going to

2400
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:01,000
We're still going to like we wash a

2401
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,880
tray, we're going to use that water to

2402
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:05,360
water plants because the whole idea is

2403
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:06,680
to

2404
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,880
the plants are small. It's all that is

2405
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:11,240
is vegetable plants. Fruit and vegetable

2406
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,080
plants for people to buy um for their

2407
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,200
gardens. So, everything that we grow is

2408
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:18,760
going to be small and it's going to be

2409
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,240
sold um

2410
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:21,200
to

2411
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,400
the to the community to to have more

2412
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,870
people growing food.

2413
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,480
Thank you, Mr. Galvin. Does anybody else

2414
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:31,880
have any questions for the applicant?

2415
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:33,680
Thank you very much.

2416
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:35,520
This is a public hearing. I'll now open

2417
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,880
the public hearing on item number two

2418
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,480
for this proposed zoning ordinance.

2419
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:44,640
Any members of the audience wishing to

2420
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:48,390
speak?

2421
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,280
Is there anybody on the line?

2422
01:57:51,280 --> 01:58:15,270
We'll wait for 30 seconds for the delay.

2423
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,280
Seeing and hearing none, I'll now close

2424
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,000
the public hearing and bring it back to

2425
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,360
the commission.

2426
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:27,230
Do I have a motion?

2427
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,200
I'll move to approve resolution number

2428
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:31,120
1283

2429
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,800
in conformance with findings.

2430
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:34,560
I'll second that.

2431
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,630
>> Second. I have a motion and a second.

2432
01:58:36,630 --> 01:58:36,640
» Second. I have a motion and a second.

2433
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,720
All those in favor say I. I. I. Any

2434
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:41,760
opposed?

2435
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,640
Motion carries.

2436
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:46,200
Item number three it for possible action

2437
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,600
matters pertaining to the 2026 land

2438
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,910
management process.

2439
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,280
Mr. Mayes.

2440
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:55,640
Good evening, Planning Commission

2441
01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:58,040
members. I'm Michael Maze, the Deputy

2442
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,320
City Manager.

2443
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,360
Boulder City is unique.

2444
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:03,840
A vast

2445
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,960
uh significant majority of the vacant

2446
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,880
land within our community is owned by

2447
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,440
the city.

2448
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,880
25 years ago, residents requested a

2449
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,080
transparent, informative process that

2450
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,920
would allow the public to know very

2451
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,000
early on uh

2452
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:24,120
about the potential sale and or lease of

2453
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:25,680
city-owned land.

2454
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,640
In 2001,

2455
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:30,160
the City Council amended the city code

2456
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:32,520
to respond to residents' concerns.

2457
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:34,360
This process is called the Land

2458
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,720
Management Process. I'll refer to it as

2459
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:39,720
the LMP for short.

2460
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,120
To start the LMP process, the applicant

2461
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,520
submits an application to the city.

2462
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:47,000
This is presented to the City Council at

2463
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
a regular meeting. If the Council votes

2464
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,880
to advance the application,

2465
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,200
it goes to the Planning Commission for a

2466
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,080
public hearing and their recommendation.

2467
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,640
Then the application returns back to the

2468
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,400
City Council to decide whether they want

2469
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:07,280
to add the application and use to the

2470
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,720
LMP list.

2471
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:12,200
Currently, there are 17 parcels, which

2472
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:15,880
is approximately 1,731 acres on the LMP

2473
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:17,640
list. You can see that on the screen

2474
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:19,640
here.

2475
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:23,760
The properties on the list uh are uh

2476
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,200
located throughout the community.

2477
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:28,920
Uh some of the properties are located in

2478
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,280
the uh Townsite Center,

2479
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,600
while others are located in the Eldorado

2480
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:35,560
Valley.

2481
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:37,560
It's important to note that just because

2482
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:41,080
a parcel is added to the LMP list, does

2483
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:42,960
not mean the property will ever be

2484
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:44,240
developed.

2485
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:48,280
In fact, city code says that if a parcel

2486
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:51,320
has not been sold or leased within 3

2487
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:54,480
years, it goes back to the city council

2488
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,200
for them to determine whether to keep it

2489
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:00,680
on the list or remove it from the list.

2490
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,840
Another misconception regarding the LMP

2491
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:06,720
process is it provides property rights.

2492
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:08,920
Adding a parcel to the LMP list does not

2493
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:12,120
confer any land use property rights or

2494
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:16,360
authorize any action for city property.

2495
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:18,400
It simply is the first step in a long

2496
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,960
process of city consideration.

2497
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:23,680
Another way to put it,

2498
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:25,520
the city is not opening the gate to

2499
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,600
allow a use, rather the city is peering

2500
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,160
over the fence to see what is behind the

2501
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:33,560
gate before we'd even consider opening

2502
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:36,160
the gate for that use.

2503
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:38,040
The property in question for tonight's

2504
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:40,640
PC consideration is located at the

2505
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:43,960
southwest corner of I-11 and US 95

2506
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:46,360
interchange.

2507
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,080
You can see it to highlight in blue on

2508
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:50,120
the screen.

2509
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:53,920
The site is 88.5 acres in size.

2510
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,480
Townsite Solar 2 LLC, which I will refer

2511
02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:59,800
to as TS2,

2512
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:02,360
currently has an option agreement to

2513
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:05,680
develop this site for solar and battery

2514
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:07,280
storage.

2515
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,000
Earlier this year, uh TS2 submitted an

2516
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,520
LMP application to the city to consider

2517
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,880
data centers on this site.

2518
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,720
In the community, there have been

2519
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:21,520
questions regarding the ballot question

2520
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:23,520
regarding possible data center uses in

2521
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:26,120
the Eldorado Valley transfer area and

2522
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:27,960
the rest of the community.

2523
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:31,800
City charter requires that for a use to

2524
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:33,520
be permitted

2525
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:36,360
in the transfer area, it must first be

2526
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:40,080
approved by the voters of Boulder City.

2527
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:43,840
As you can see with the attachment here,

2528
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:48,710
Ollie, I don't know if you can zoom out.

2529
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,920
You'll see the original town site in

2530
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,960
blue and the

2531
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,400
what I'll call a rose colored

2532
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,560
shaded area, that is the transfer area.

2533
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,600
So, just to be clear, this application

2534
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,160
is outside

2535
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:08,640
the El Dorado Valley transfer area,

2536
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:12,640
which will be subject to voter approval.

2537
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:16,360
Town site solar 2 has a presentation

2538
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:18,520
for the planning commission.

2539
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,640
In closing, it's important to note that

2540
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:24,160
even if this property is added to the

2541
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:26,840
LMP list for data center uses, there are

2542
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:31,000
many more steps involved in the process.

2543
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:33,920
City Council will decide if the city

2544
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,120
should seek request for

2545
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:39,560
proposals, RFPs, to solicit other data

2546
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:41,600
center use proposals

2547
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:43,480
or consider

2548
02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:45,520
an economic exception to directly

2549
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:50,120
negotiate for a lease with town site 2.

2550
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,840
Currently, the city does not have a

2551
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:54,880
zoning district that would even allow

2552
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:56,360
data centers.

2553
02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:59,400
Either a new zoning district would have

2554
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:00,800
to be

2555
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:03,920
proposed or

2556
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:05,960
a contemplated amendment, a text

2557
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:11,310
amendment to the existing energy

2558
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:13,520
energy storage

2559
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:17,560
zoning would be required. This process

2560
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:19,520
would require consideration by the

2561
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:20,880
planning commission and the city

2562
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,160
council.

2563
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:23,840
The city also would be required to

2564
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:27,600
obtain appraisals per state law

2565
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,000
and a new lease agreement would need to

2566
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,000
be negotiated with a developer and

2567
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:34,960
approved by the city council.

2568
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,720
We are in step one of this process

2569
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:40,120
which is why the city has not entered

2570
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:42,640
into any lease negotiations

2571
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:44,760
for a data center use with the

2572
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:46,440
applicant.

2573
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:48,920
TS2 represents in their presentation,

2574
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:50,920
which you will see in a moment,

2575
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:52,480
that this item will be considered by the

2576
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:54,920
city council on June 23rd.

2577
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:57,880
To be clear, the date of city council

2578
02:04:57,880 --> 02:04:59,720
consideration will be determined by the

2579
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:00,800
city

2580
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,160
and will be shared with the public once

2581
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:04,720
that's determined.

2582
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:06,040
And with that, I can answer any

2583
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:10,030
questions.

2584
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:11,640
Does any of the commission members have

2585
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:15,000
questions for staff?

2586
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,920
Go ahead.

2587
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:19,880
So, is it possible if we don't

2588
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,000
if if this if we don't get the data

2589
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,600
center, it could actually still be in

2590
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:27,550
the valley?

2591
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:30,920
The potential for data centers could

2592
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,000
occur in Henderson.

2593
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,120
Um Henderson has annexed 1,000 acres in

2594
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:37,280
the Eldorado Valley and that is zoned

2595
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,560
industrial. And so, it is our

2596
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:41,640
understanding that there has been

2597
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:44,320
proposed preliminary

2598
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:46,560
data centers for that area. That's my

2599
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,750
question. Thank you.

2600
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:53,240
Any other questions for staff?

2601
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:55,080
Thank you, Michael. Uh does the

2602
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:57,880
applicant want to come up and

2603
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:12,910
give their presentation?

2604
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:14,040
So,

2605
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:16,360
good evening, commissioners. Uh my name

2606
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:19,160
is Linda Bullen. Um I am an energy and

2607
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:21,920
environmental attorney from Las Vegas.

2608
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,960
Um I have had the honor of appearing

2609
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:27,160
before many of you before in this

2610
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:28,640
capacity,

2611
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:31,120
but perhaps not ever before in such a

2612
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:34,920
controversial and sensitive matter. Um

2613
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:36,480
So, we thank you in advance for your

2614
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:39,880
time and your consideration of the

2615
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:42,720
issues here before you tonight. And I

2616
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:45,280
frankly don't envy you.

2617
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:47,360
Um we're here today to talk about the

2618
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,200
proposed project and in particular to

2619
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:52,400
tell you about we we have been out in

2620
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,880
the community. We have heard the

2621
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:57,000
concerns of the community and we have

2622
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,520
responded to them. So, we're here to

2623
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:01,680
tell you about the modifications that

2624
02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:03,680
we've made to the project uh

2625
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,760
particularly in the area of water.

2626
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:09,200
Recognizing as a resident of Southern

2627
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:12,040
Nevada the importance of that issue.

2628
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:16,000
Um we want to also significantly clarify

2629
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:17,880
some misconceptions

2630
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:19,760
that are in the community about the

2631
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:21,440
project, perhaps data centers in

2632
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,160
general, but also this project in

2633
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:25,080
particular. And of course, we're here to

2634
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:27,480
answer your questions.

2635
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:29,960
In the end, of course, we will be

2636
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:31,560
hopeful and asking for your

2637
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:34,040
recommendation for approval uh to send

2638
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:36,480
this to the uh to the commissioner that

2639
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,400
city council with with the

2640
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:40,480
recommendation for approval.

2641
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:42,200
So, again, thank you in advance for

2642
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,120
listening. I'm here tonight with two

2643
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:47,240
gentlemen from um Skylar Capital, which

2644
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:49,480
is the lead developer for the Townsite

2645
02:07:49,480 --> 02:07:52,240
Solar 2 data center project. So, at this

2646
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:53,960
point I'll let them introduce

2647
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:55,360
themselves, but I'm going to turn it

2648
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:59,590
over to Gerald Balboa.

2649
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,240
Thank you, Linda.

2650
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:03,640
Uh planning commissioners, I'll just uh

2651
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:05,600
read out some some prepared statements

2652
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:06,880
uh that I think address a lot of the

2653
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:09,040
concerns tonight. Uh so, first of all,

2654
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,160
thank you all for your consideration of

2655
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:13,600
our proposed project. We hope that uh

2656
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:15,920
with thoughtful consideration,

2657
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:18,080
um you'll hear that we've answered a lot

2658
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:20,480
of the community's questions. Um again,

2659
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:22,440
my name is Gerald Balboa. I am the chief

2660
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:23,800
operating officer for Skylar

2661
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:26,360
Opportunities. We are the lead developer

2662
02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,280
and the lead partner in the Townsite

2663
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:31,440
Solar 2 project. We began this project

2664
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:34,480
as a solar plus storage uh project, but

2665
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:36,560
we've evolved it into a proposed data

2666
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:39,680
center project because that really is

2667
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:42,400
the highest and best value use for this

2668
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:44,440
particular piece of land.

2669
02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:48,200
Our firm first developed the 1,100 acre

2670
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:51,360
Townsite 1 solar project over 10 years

2671
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,600
ago. So, I have a long history of of

2672
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:55,560
working with Boulder City. Uh that

2673
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:57,280
project was sold to our current partner

2674
02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:59,160
in the data center project, which is uh

2675
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:01,040
a Rivian Energy.

2676
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,600
Should the project be approved, when

2677
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:05,640
combined with the revenues generated uh

2678
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:07,600
from that first project, Townsite 1

2679
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:10,760
Solar, we estimate that between Townsite

2680
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:13,000
1 and again, if this is approved,

2681
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:15,840
Townsite 2, uh we'd contribute over 12%

2682
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,840
of the city's annual budget. It's pretty

2683
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,160
significant.

2684
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:20,720
Hopefully, following today's

2685
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:22,240
presentation, you're going to come away

2686
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:26,000
with two things. One, satisfactory

2687
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:27,880
answers that give you all the assurances

2688
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:29,960
that you need to advance the Townsite 2

2689
02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:31,680
project through the land management

2690
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:34,320
process, and two, a working knowledge of

2691
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:36,680
the significant benefits to the city in

2692
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:39,760
terms of reliable, long-term revenues

2693
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,640
with little to no imposition on city

2694
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:42,920
services.

2695
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:44,240
So, what are we doing to advance these

2696
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:46,080
goals? Well, you're probably already

2697
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:49,040
aware that when we uh that we we first

2698
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,800
proposed converting our solar project

2699
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,800
into a data center um

2700
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,520
several months ago, the city uh staff

2701
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,840
pointed out right away, we have a

2702
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,520
specific process here called the land

2703
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:03,480
management process. That is step one.

2704
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:05,440
We're just at step one. Lots of steps to

2705
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:06,400
go.

2706
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:09,360
Uh we have taken steps to listen to, to

2707
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,360
adapt, and to ultimately to provide

2708
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,760
responsible answers to the community.

2709
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,200
We've hosted two open houses. We've

2710
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:18,200
communicated answers through the local

2711
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:20,360
newspaper, and we continue to host a

2712
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:23,480
website, ts2project.com,

2713
02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:25,520
that not only addresses the important

2714
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:27,360
community concerns that have been that

2715
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:29,200
have been raised, but also bring clarity

2716
02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:30,920
to some of the misconceptions about the

2717
02:10:30,920 --> 02:10:34,680
project. So, for tonight, um you've

2718
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:36,560
already heard about concerns, major

2719
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,720
concerns about water usage, about power

2720
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:40,560
demand, and all the other critical

2721
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,320
concerns from the residents and other

2722
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:44,160
stakeholders. Um we've heard these

2723
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:46,240
concerns, too. And we're pleased to say

2724
02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:48,440
that we've adapted the project to meet

2725
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:50,040
these concerns with hopefully

2726
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:52,840
satisfactory answers across the board.

2727
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:55,280
And I'll close with this. I I really

2728
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:59,120
applaud the uh the city, its staff, and

2729
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:01,000
the rigorous process in place within

2730
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:04,320
Boulder City for use of city-owned land.

2731
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,200
The process, including today's meeting,

2732
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:08,080
is transparent. It's open to the

2733
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:10,160
community, obviously. And we welcome

2734
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,400
that that input. And should this project

2735
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:14,800
advance, uh we plan to be good stewards

2736
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,920
of the land and that you would let us

2737
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:18,800
lease and be good neighbors to all. And

2738
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:20,920
by the way, I was reading your four-way

2739
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:24,120
test there, truth, fairness to all,

2740
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:26,360
building of goodwill, and benefits to

2741
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:28,560
all. We want to do that for you all. All

2742
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:30,120
right, thank you again for listening to

2743
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:35,910
me.

2744
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:37,520
Good evening. My name is Rick Lammers,

2745
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,480
and I'm project manager for the Townsite

2746
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:43,320
Solar 2 project. Can you hold the mic up

2747
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,680
for you? Uh and to advance the slides to

2748
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:47,080
Yes. How can I see that they're

2749
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:49,080
advancing?

2750
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:51,320
Okay. All right. Thank you.

2751
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:53,120
So, uh

2752
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:54,480
I'm here to present the project to you

2753
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,360
in a in a in a

2754
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:57,080
the

2755
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:59,560
uh a cohesive way to the best of my

2756
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:03,040
ability. Um the project is located on 88

2757
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:04,680
acres that's currently under a lease

2758
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:06,960
option for a solar plus storage project

2759
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:11,760
that up 30 MW PV up to 167 MW best

2760
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,520
project. The project has firm bilateral

2761
02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:17,920
transmission in place with SNWA that

2762
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:20,640
gives its firm transmission at 230

2763
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:23,040
kilovolts directly into the Mead

2764
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,360
Substation.

2765
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:26,400
And we estimate, based on our estimates,

2766
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,040
as you heard Mr. Mays say that we'll

2767
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:31,200
have to do new appraisals and we'll have

2768
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:33,080
to negotiate lease terms. So, this is

2769
02:12:33,080 --> 02:12:36,040
just based on our estimates. We based it

2770
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:38,400
over the proposed 90-year term of the

2771
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:41,400
lease, uh the the project would have

2772
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:44,440
over 330 million more benefits than the

2773
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:46,480
solar plus storage project on the same

2774
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:50,121
site.

2775
02:12:50,131 --> 02:12:50,640
» [gasps]

2776
02:12:50,640 --> 02:12:53,550
>> So, we began development of the project

2777
02:12:53,550 --> 02:12:53,560
» So, we began development of the project

2778
02:12:53,560 --> 02:12:56,880
in 2018. In 2023,

2779
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,120
uh in December of 2023, we signed the

2780
02:13:00,120 --> 02:13:02,480
lease option with the uh Boulder City.

2781
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:05,440
That In that same time period, we signed

2782
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:06,400
a

2783
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:07,520
uh

2784
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:11,200
we the BLM issued a separate uh

2785
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:13,120
right-of-way grant for a property that's

2786
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:16,280
to the west of this uh property, just

2787
02:13:16,280 --> 02:13:19,440
2,000 ft away, uh which is also the

2788
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:21,920
subject of an application with the BLM

2789
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:23,600
for a data center.

2790
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:26,680
Uh in September of 2024, we signed the

2791
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:28,520
SNWA transmission agreement, which I

2792
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:30,760
previously mentioned. In January, we

2793
02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:32,480
sent our application into the Boulder

2794
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:35,080
City as the first step of the process.

2795
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:37,760
And right now we're in the

2796
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:38,520
uh

2797
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:40,200
the planning commission meeting. The

2798
02:13:40,200 --> 02:13:42,080
next step would be to go to the

2799
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,360
commission.

2800
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:44,920
We've already spent over 12 million

2801
02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:46,462
dollars on this project.

2802
02:13:46,462 --> 02:13:46,710
>> [clears throat]

2803
02:13:46,710 --> 02:13:46,720
» [clears throat]

2804
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:48,430
>> 5 and 1/2 million, we paid for all the

2805
02:13:48,430 --> 02:13:48,440
» 5 and 1/2 million, we paid for all the

2806
02:13:48,440 --> 02:13:50,280
interconnection costs. So, the project

2807
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:53,760
will not not impact any of the uh

2808
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:55,600
transmission or distribution costs of

2809
02:13:55,600 --> 02:13:57,080
the city because the city won't have to

2810
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:58,480
pay for any of that. We've already paid

2811
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:00,880
for it. We've also pre-ordered the

2812
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:03,120
transformer, which today would take 3 to

2813
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:05,400
4 years to order in the open market. And

2814
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:08,360
that was at a cost of 5 and 1/2 million.

2815
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:10,160
And the high-voltage equipment has also

2816
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:16,430
been ordered.

2817
02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:18,440
This next slide just talks about some of

2818
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:20,560
our partners. Town Site Solar 2 is the

2819
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,160
owner. Skylar Opportunities is the main

2820
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:26,200
sponsor of the project. Uh Arivon, the

2821
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:28,440
owner of Town Site Solar 1, is also a

2822
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:30,440
partner of the project. Overwatch

2823
02:14:30,440 --> 02:14:32,240
Capital, who's represented here tonight,

2824
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:33,960
is our technical expert providing

2825
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:36,720
technical expertise on data centers. And

2826
02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:38,400
Marathon Capital is our financial

2827
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:40,880
advisor that would provide uh assistance

2828
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:42,360
with raising financing once the

2829
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:47,670
project's approved.

2830
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:49,880
I'm not going to spend too much time on

2831
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:52,440
this slide because I think Mr. Mayes uh

2832
02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:55,000
handled it well. But uh right now we're

2833
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:56,600
at the Planning Commission meeting. The

2834
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:58,760
the the the site is already zoned as

2835
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,320
energy resource. The 90-year lease that

2836
02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:04,400
that lease is a proposed lease. Uh most

2837
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,840
data center center owners prefer to own

2838
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:08,560
the land, and if they can't own the

2839
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,200
land, they prefer to have a lease as

2840
02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:12,320
long as possible. That's the only reason

2841
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:17,870
why we proposed a lease of that length.

2842
02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:20,960
The project design consists of 167 MW

2843
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:23,880
firm capacity into the main substation.

2844
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:27,360
Uh two That's at the 230 kV level. The

2845
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:30,160
The city's transmission is all at 69 kV

2846
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:32,760
and kilovolts and below. In addition,

2847
02:15:32,760 --> 02:15:36,080
the project will have a 65 to 70 MW uh

2848
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:37,960
battery energy storage system that will

2849
02:15:37,960 --> 02:15:40,680
help regulate the changes in load

2850
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,000
intraday and seasonal loads, as well as

2851
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:44,960
help regulate the voltages to keep them

2852
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:47,760
constant. In addition, the project will

2853
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:52,800
have 53 3.25 MW biodiesel generators

2854
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,000
that will only be used uh less than 100

2855
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:57,280
hours a year in accordance to local,

2856
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:06,310
state, and federal permits.

2857
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,840
We We initially were trying to figure

2858
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:11,200
out a way to use the effluent that's

2859
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:13,520
currently being discharged into the

2860
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:15,680
desert. I think it's close to 1.1

2861
02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:17,240
million gallons a day that's just being

2862
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:18,520
discharged.

2863
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:20,720
So, we were trying to find a solution

2864
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:22,520
that would not only provide a revenue to

2865
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:25,360
the city for that wasted resource, but

2866
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,000
see if we could use it in some sort of

2867
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:28,840
closed loop system.

2868
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:31,080
But, just touching that wastewater and

2869
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:33,480
trying to turn turn it into a

2870
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:36,760
a a revenue source and and actually put

2871
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:38,880
it to use, we chose not to do that

2872
02:16:38,880 --> 02:16:40,559
because one, there was a lot of

2873
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:43,320
opposition to using it.

2874
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:45,480
And secondly, we're not sure if maybe

2875
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:47,320
sometime in the future the city might

2876
02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:50,000
find another way to to push that water

2877
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:51,760
into Mead. Right now, the cost to get

2878
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,000
that water back to Mead is

2879
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:54,920
is

2880
02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:56,480
cost prohibitive,

2881
02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:58,080
hundreds of million dollars. And so,

2882
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:00,240
that's why that project has not gotten

2883
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:01,559
off the ground.

2884
02:17:01,559 --> 02:17:03,519
So, we we met with Southern Nevada

2885
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:04,559
Water.

2886
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:06,599
We asked them, "Is the effluent covered

2887
02:17:06,599 --> 02:17:08,599
in your your evaporative cooling?" Even

2888
02:17:08,599 --> 02:17:09,519
though we weren't going to use it in

2889
02:17:09,519 --> 02:17:11,120
evaporative cooling, we were we wanted

2890
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,519
to see if that was a problem.

2891
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:14,960
They they they couldn't give us a

2892
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:17,800
definitive answer. Based on that and the

2893
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:19,120
the feedback that we heard from the

2894
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:21,800
public, we pivoted to 100% air-cooled

2895
02:17:21,800 --> 02:17:24,679
system. It's a closed loop system. It

2896
02:17:24,679 --> 02:17:28,599
doesn't require any any type of

2897
02:17:28,599 --> 02:17:30,880
significant use of water other than a

2898
02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:33,200
one-time fill of 400,000 gallons. And

2899
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:36,440
even that water can be purchased already

2900
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:38,719
mixed with the glycol mixture. So, you

2901
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:40,040
don't even have to get that water from

2902
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:41,679
Boulder City. We can have it trucked

2903
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:44,360
from California, Arizona, or some other

2904
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:46,920
state already in the format that it that

2905
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:49,040
it it needs to be in to put it into the

2906
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:50,760
the data center.

2907
02:17:50,760 --> 02:17:52,960
How much water we talking about? 400,000

2908
02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:56,120
gallons is about 20 20 average-size

2909
02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:57,559
swimming pools.

2910
02:17:57,559 --> 02:18:00,440
The ongoing use of water is only for

2911
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:03,639
bathrooms and kitchens, to up to 2,000

2912
02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:05,679
gallons per day, which is based on the

2913
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:08,120
current average use of Boulder City, 200

2914
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:10,480
gallons a day per resident, that's about

2915
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:13,280
10 residents. So, this entire facility,

2916
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,599
which at the end of the day could be as

2917
02:18:14,599 --> 02:18:17,280
much as $4 billion, is going to use the

2918
02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:20,480
same amount of water as 10 homes in this

2919
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:22,240
in this city.

2920
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:24,080
I think that's quite impressive if you

2921
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:25,760
take a moment and and think about it.

2922
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:27,920
So, we're not going to have any impact

2923
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:30,160
on the wetlands, no impact on the water

2924
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:32,040
at uh uh

2925
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:35,559
uh Lake Mead, and no long-term use of

2926
02:18:35,559 --> 02:18:37,480
the effluent besides what the solar

2927
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:39,160
fields are already using it for dust

2928
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:44,870
control. We intend to do that as well.

2929
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:45,840
The other

2930
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,000
big

2931
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,480
misconception about the project is that

2932
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:51,639
we're going to blow up Boulder City's

2933
02:18:51,639 --> 02:18:53,040
power prices.

2934
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,400
Well, power prices are comprised of

2935
02:18:55,400 --> 02:18:57,960
several factors. One is transmission and

2936
02:18:57,960 --> 02:18:59,440
distribution costs, the cost of

2937
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:00,960
interconnecting into the grid and

2938
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:03,160
delivering the power to its proposed

2939
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:04,960
use. As I mentioned earlier, we're

2940
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:07,000
paying 100% of those costs, so none of

2941
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:09,240
those costs will ever be paid for by a

2942
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:11,920
citizen or resident of the city.

2943
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:13,679
The other key component is the cost of

2944
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:14,840
energy.

2945
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:16,280
Skyharbor is going to purchase all the

2946
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:19,280
energy, the 100 167 megawatts required

2947
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:22,040
for the project in negotiated bilateral

2948
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:24,320
contracts from the wholesale market.

2949
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:26,719
Someone like the city of Pasadena, city

2950
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:29,800
of Glendale, or a a solar project will

2951
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:31,519
come to us and say, "We've got excess

2952
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:33,240
power. We want to sell you this power

2953
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:35,800
for 5 10 years." Those contracts will be

2954
02:19:35,800 --> 02:19:38,880
negotiated, uh prices will be agreed,

2955
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:41,160
those prices will be fixed, the the

2956
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:43,360
those those contracts will be bilateral

2957
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:46,440
just between the parties of the project

2958
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:49,200
and the the seller, and and will have no

2959
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,320
impact on the price of energy for the

2960
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:53,560
for the city.

2961
02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:55,800
The other thing is

2962
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:57,960
what I heard is that the the project is

2963
02:19:57,960 --> 02:20:00,360
way bigger than the, you know, the

2964
02:20:00,360 --> 02:20:02,200
amount of power that can throw flow

2965
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:04,760
through uh, the Mead Substation.

2966
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:07,520
The Mead Substation is over 10,000 MW.

2967
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,720
So, we represent less than 2% of the

2968
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:11,720
total power capacity of the Mead

2969
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:13,360
Substation.

2970
02:20:13,360 --> 02:20:14,720
In addition

2971
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:16,400
to these

2972
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:17,880
these uh,

2973
02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:19,920
this structure were since we're in the

2974
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:22,480
city's service territory, we have to

2975
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:24,880
have the city serve the project in some

2976
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:26,880
manner in order to comply with state

2977
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:29,600
law. And our idea, our proposal for that

2978
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:31,720
is that we would install a meter at the

2979
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:33,960
point of delivery. The city we would

2980
02:20:33,960 --> 02:20:35,880
hire the city to read that meter and

2981
02:20:35,880 --> 02:20:37,920
handle the and administer the monthly

2982
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:40,160
billing. For that, we propose to pay the

2983
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:43,360
city a 50 cents a MW hour. That source

2984
02:20:43,360 --> 02:20:45,680
of revenue is around $700,000 for

2985
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:48,440
measuring the power and administering

2986
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:50,160
the the billing. What the city decides

2987
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:52,280
to do with that 700,000 is really their

2988
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:55,000
decision. But this this this benefit

2989
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:55,720
from

2990
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:57,360
uh, from this project from as a data

2991
02:20:57,360 --> 02:20:59,000
center would not occur

2992
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:01,160
uh, for the project if it were a solar

2993
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:06,590
plus storage project.

2994
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:10,280
We heard a lot of misconceptions and and

2995
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:14,200
uh, concerns about heat, sound, and air

2996
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:16,000
quality.

2997
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:18,760
One big benefit this project has is its

2998
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:21,360
location. It's nearly 2.8 mi from the

2999
02:21:21,360 --> 02:21:23,840
nearest resident of Boulder City.

3000
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:28,240
And it's 400 ft below the the uh, the

3001
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,600
the the residents of Boulder City. Those

3002
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:32,480
two factors work together to mitigate

3003
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:35,600
any impacts related to heat, sound, uh,

3004
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:38,200
or uh, particulate matter. Particulate

3005
02:21:38,200 --> 02:21:40,800
matter is already reduced because we're

3006
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:44,480
only allowed to uh, run the backup

3007
02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:47,280
diesel generators less than 100 hours

3008
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,280
per year and we can't run them in in

3009
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:51,760
excess of what our permit allows,

3010
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:54,600
uh, which will keep it at that level.

3011
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:56,600
So, bottom line is the heat will be in

3012
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:59,440
imperceptible but to any resident. Uh

3013
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:01,120
you won't be able to hear it. It It It'd

3014
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,080
be the same if I ask you, "Can you hear

3015
02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:05,800
the uh the rock quarry when it when it

3016
02:22:05,800 --> 02:22:07,480
mines the quarry?" Can anybody hear that

3017
02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:08,640
in the city?

3018
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:10,560
You're not You're not going to be able

3019
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,920
to hear this facility. Uh None of the

3020
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:14,440
residents are going to be able to hear

3021
02:22:14,440 --> 02:22:17,520
it. I I drove to the the Nova facility

3022
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,000
today, which is in North Las Vegas. It's

3023
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:23,200
an air-cooled just like ours. It's a I

3024
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:25,160
encourage all of y'all to go go go take

3025
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:29,160
a look at it. Uh it it's it's it You

3026
02:22:29,160 --> 02:22:30,640
can't hear the facility. I was right

3027
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:31,920
next to it. The only thing I could hear

3028
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:33,800
was the road next to it.

3029
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:35,520
And it's it's going to be using the same

3030
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:37,160
technology, the same air-cooled

3031
02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:38,600
technology that we're talking about

3032
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:41,350
using here.

3033
02:22:41,360 --> 02:22:44,560
We're We We always uh

3034
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:47,040
work very closely with city staff and

3035
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:49,600
the fire department to make sure we uh

3036
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:51,880
obtain their input early on in the

3037
02:22:51,880 --> 02:22:53,720
process so we design a system that

3038
02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:55,360
ultimately is going to be accepted by

3039
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:58,440
them and being able to be run by them.

3040
02:22:58,440 --> 02:22:59,920
And uh

3041
02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:01,600
we've already started having having

3042
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:03,480
those some some of those discussions. We

3043
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:05,400
know that there's been a recent fire at

3044
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:08,000
the Townson Townson solar facility.

3045
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,520
There's going to be some lessons learned

3046
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:11,200
from that fire and we're going to take

3047
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:12,960
those lessons learned and incorporate

3048
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:16,960
them into the design of our project.

3049
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:19,440
Data center tenants typically have two

3050
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,120
type of tenants, hyperscale tenants,

3051
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:24,120
colocation tenants. Both of them are

3052
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:26,400
excellent credits. We estimate that our

3053
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:27,600
power

3054
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:28,240
uh

3055
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,440
building will be cost around $2 billion.

3056
02:23:31,440 --> 02:23:33,680
These These tenants will put in another

3057
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:34,880
$2 billion

3058
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:37,600
worth of taxable uh

3059
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:40,920
basis in in terms of computer equipment

3060
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:42,520
and other equipment. So, at the end of

3061
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,720
the day, this could be a

3062
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:46,760
$4 billion in

3063
02:23:46,760 --> 02:23:48,080
facility

3064
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:51,440
just 2.8 miles from the city.

3065
02:23:51,440 --> 02:23:52,880
In terms of the benefits we've already

3066
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:56,680
talked about those quite a bit, but on

3067
02:23:56,680 --> 02:23:58,480
an annual basis first year revenues are

3068
02:23:58,480 --> 02:24:00,400
estimated at 3.6 million. Those are

3069
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:01,640
based on

3070
02:24:01,640 --> 02:24:03,720
appraisals that we did for the property

3071
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:05,440
as a data center.

3072
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:07,520
We use the same appraisers that we used

3073
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:09,440
for the solar field the Val Bridge and

3074
02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:12,360
Anderson. And

3075
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:14,560
so based on those leases the the lease

3076
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:17,640
revenue would be 1.5 million

3077
02:24:17,640 --> 02:24:18,720
higher.

3078
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:20,920
The electric bill administration fee

3079
02:24:20,920 --> 02:24:22,960
would be at 670,000

3080
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:24,200
and the property

3081
02:24:24,200 --> 02:24:26,640
sales tax would be about a million

3082
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:28,600
dollars higher

3083
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:31,480
per year based on the 2 billion dollar

3084
02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:33,240
project estimate.

3085
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:34,760
The project's also going to create a lot

3086
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:36,520
of jobs during construction permanent

3087
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:38,960
jobs not just any jobs but high-paying

3088
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:42,120
jobs $100,000 plus benefits. We're going

3089
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:43,920
to continue to draw on the resources of

3090
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,040
the city for facilities maintenance

3091
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:47,680
landscaping

3092
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:49,880
compliance different types of mechanical

3093
02:24:49,880 --> 02:24:52,040
electrical contract security and

3094
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:54,600
training. So I think a lot of those jobs

3095
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:56,200
could be sourced here in Boulder City

3096
02:24:56,200 --> 02:24:58,240
and it'll be our objective to source as

3097
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:03,470
many jobs as we can from Boulder City.

3098
02:25:03,480 --> 02:25:04,760
Lastly I just want to thank you for your

3099
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:06,480
time.

3100
02:25:06,480 --> 02:25:08,000
It's kind of late in my career. I didn't

3101
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:09,640
know I was going to have this exciting

3102
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:12,640
work to do so so late in my career, but

3103
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:13,960
it's been a pleasure working with the

3104
02:25:13,960 --> 02:25:15,720
city and its staff and we look forward

3105
02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:17,680
to addressing any concerns or questions

3106
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:19,360
that you have.

3107
02:25:19,360 --> 02:25:22,080
Thank you Mr. Lamers. Does do any of the

3108
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,640
commissioners have any questions for the

3109
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,040
applicant?

3110
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:29,510
Okay.

3111
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:31,360
Hi, my name is Beth.

3112
02:25:31,360 --> 02:25:32,920
Can you

3113
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:35,640
outline what the total revenue for the

3114
02:25:35,640 --> 02:25:38,320
company annually will be?

3115
02:25:38,320 --> 02:25:41,040
So related to the data center.

3116
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:42,960
So that's to be determined. It depends

3117
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:45,320
on what the lease rental rate would be,

3118
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:47,600
but typically There's gross revenue. You

3119
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:50,120
have to have estimates.

3120
02:25:50,120 --> 02:25:51,840
You wouldn't go into a project like this

3121
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:53,800
without some idea of what you're going

3122
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:55,200
to be making.

3123
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:57,240
Speak into your mic, please.

3124
02:25:57,240 --> 02:25:58,400
Thank you.

3125
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:01,080
You wouldn't go into a project like this

3126
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:03,320
without some idea of the gross revenue

3127
02:26:03,320 --> 02:26:04,920
that these data centers were going to

3128
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,840
generate. What I'm asking is what were

3129
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:11,000
those projections?

3130
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:13,440
The revenue consists of two components.

3131
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:15,400
One is going to be the the revenue that

3132
02:26:15,400 --> 02:26:16,480
from the tenants. You know, what are

3133
02:26:16,480 --> 02:26:18,680
they charge for cloud-based computing,

3134
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:21,240
IT type computing. We we don't have

3135
02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:23,120
anything to do with that that side of

3136
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:25,200
the equation. Our our revenue is going

3137
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:28,560
to be driven by the actual uh power

3138
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:30,400
shell building. And then that depends on

3139
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:33,160
what are we charging for uh the lease

3140
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:34,320
you know, what are we charging for the

3141
02:26:34,320 --> 02:26:37,440
space, what are we charging for for uh

3142
02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:40,000
the uh the power that that we're selling

3143
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,160
to them. So a lot of the factors Are you

3144
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:44,920
trying to tell me there's no revenue

3145
02:26:44,920 --> 02:26:48,200
projections for your company

3146
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:49,800
to build this building and lease that

3147
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:52,230
space?

3148
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:55,560
No, we we we we we base our uh

3149
02:26:55,560 --> 02:26:57,200
investment based on what we think the

3150
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,160
rate of return would be. And that would

3151
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:03,720
be what was the estimate? At least 12%.

3152
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:04,720
Of?

3153
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:17,110
The $2 billion investment.

3154
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:19,800
I have a question. Go ahead.

3155
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:21,280
I um

3156
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:24,840
just to give my background.

3157
02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:27,400
I'm a retired operating engineer. Spent

3158
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:29,280
40 years

3159
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:30,720
um

3160
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:33,040
operating central plants and high-rises

3161
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,480
in Las Vegas, New York,

3162
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:37,320
and uh

3163
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:40,640
my main thing was uh resource management

3164
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:43,080
and central plant operation.

3165
02:27:43,080 --> 02:27:44,880
And I see this

3166
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:47,840
closed Excuse me, this closed loop

3167
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,280
system uh air-cooled closed loop system

3168
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:54,360
requires up to 40,000 400,000 gallons of

3169
02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:58,240
potable water for a one-time fill of the

3170
02:27:58,240 --> 02:27:59,920
cooling system.

3171
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:00,960
Um

3172
02:28:00,960 --> 02:28:01,640
uh

3173
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:03,040
you know, I I want to be I don't want to

3174
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:05,320
be rude. I want to be respectful. But

3175
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:07,240
that is absurd.

3176
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:10,000
Um operating equipment like that, there

3177
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:13,160
are hourly blowdowns all over the

3178
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:15,120
equipment. Uh you're going to be

3179
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:17,600
constantly refilling the system.

3180
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,000
That's just the way That's just the

3181
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:20,560
nature of the animal. That's the way

3182
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:22,440
these systems work.

3183
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:23,960
And uh

3184
02:28:23,960 --> 02:28:24,960
like I said, I'm trying to be

3185
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:27,280
respectful, but if if you're putting out

3186
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:29,840
misinformation like this,

3187
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,760
you know, I the the financial side, I

3188
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:36,920
have no idea. Um she does. And uh if if

3189
02:28:36,920 --> 02:28:39,320
you're putting out this misinformation,

3190
02:28:39,320 --> 02:28:41,680
how can I trust anything else you people

3191
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:43,760
say? As a matter of fact, aren't you

3192
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,840
guys hedge fund managers?

3193
02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:48,160
No, we're a developing company that

3194
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:50,320
develops renewable energy projects. Call

3195
02:28:50,320 --> 02:28:51,920
it what you want.

3196
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:54,000
Scott, maybe we can have Scott come up

3197
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:55,440
here from Overwatch soon and we can

3198
02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:57,440
address your your question directly cuz

3199
02:28:57,440 --> 02:28:59,280
you're saying you're saying that there's

3200
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:02,080
going to be regular blowdowns. You're

3201
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:03,600
saying quarterly. Well, how often do you

3202
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:05,640
think the Hourly. Hourly.

3203
02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:08,510
>> to remove the total dissolved solids. Uh

3204
02:29:08,510 --> 02:29:08,520
» to remove the total dissolved solids. Uh

3205
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:10,440
the other thing is that the uh rust

3206
02:29:10,440 --> 02:29:11,960
inhibitors that have to be added to the

3207
02:29:11,960 --> 02:29:13,000
water,

3208
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:14,720
um the the the glycol that you

3209
02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:16,480
mentioned, a lot of these things are

3210
02:29:16,480 --> 02:29:19,080
forever chemicals. This water can't go

3211
02:29:19,080 --> 02:29:21,920
back into Lake Mead. It can't be, you

3212
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:23,640
know, it's it's going to end up back in

3213
02:29:23,640 --> 02:29:26,960
our evaporator ponds.

3214
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:28,560
Introduce yourself, Scott. Yeah, I'm

3215
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:29,880
Scott during with Overwatch Capital

3216
02:29:29,880 --> 02:29:31,200
providing uh you know, construction

3217
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:33,320
services for for the group. So,

3218
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:34,910
>> Sir, could you please um come a little

3219
02:29:34,910 --> 02:29:34,920
» Sir, could you please um come a little

3220
02:29:34,920 --> 02:29:36,120
bit forward and speak into the

3221
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:36,360
microphone?

3222
02:29:36,360 --> 02:29:37,910
>> It It is It is a closed-loop system, and

3223
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:37,920
» It It is It is a closed-loop system, and

3224
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:39,480
there is there is chemicals and it's

3225
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:41,160
treated. We're not using potable water

3226
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:42,320
cuz it would introduce too many

3227
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:44,720
contaminants. So, we get that pretreated

3228
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:46,880
water water from a from a service,

3229
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:48,120
right? That's That's critical for us

3230
02:29:48,120 --> 02:29:49,360
because it doesn't introduce any

3231
02:29:49,360 --> 02:29:51,600
contaminants. It introduces corrosion,

3232
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:53,040
so we have to make sure.

3233
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,960
And it is something we have to maintain

3234
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:56,240
often.

3235
02:29:56,240 --> 02:29:58,120
Um there's quarterly, monthly, and

3236
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:00,040
quarterly uh taps and surveys we have to

3237
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:02,120
do for the for the water. I'm sorry. I'm

3238
02:30:02,120 --> 02:30:04,080
sorry. I can't hear you. Oh, there is

3239
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:05,120
there's

3240
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,080
daily services that we have to do,

3241
02:30:07,080 --> 02:30:08,000
right? From a data center, there's

3242
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:09,280
redundancies in the data center that

3243
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,240
we're there every day maintaining that

3244
02:30:11,240 --> 02:30:12,480
space. That's That's part of the nature

3245
02:30:12,480 --> 02:30:14,600
of the data center. So, we are looking

3246
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:16,480
at the water and the and the uh

3247
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:17,680
contaminant levels of the water. If

3248
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:19,560
there's anything, if we have to replace

3249
02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:21,560
anything, it's with that solution again.

3250
02:30:21,560 --> 02:30:23,800
We can't just introduce potable water to

3251
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:25,040
it because

3252
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:26,880
it would introduce too many contaminants

3253
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:28,560
potential contaminants into the water.

3254
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:29,760
So.

3255
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:34,430
Thank you. Thank you.

3256
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:35,560
Anything else?

3257
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:37,280
So, uh

3258
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:40,440
I have a question about

3259
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:43,240
the uh 53 diesel generators. I live

3260
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:45,280
exactly a mile from where the airplanes

3261
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:46,840
do the run-up.

3262
02:30:46,840 --> 02:30:48,400
On a four-cylinder airplane, I could

3263
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:50,320
hear it loud and clear at my house a

3264
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:51,520
mile away.

3265
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:54,760
And you're telling me 53 generators

3266
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:56,200
diesel generators, you're not going to

3267
02:30:56,200 --> 02:30:58,400
hear 3 miles away.

3268
02:30:58,400 --> 02:30:59,760
I I just have a problem with that.

3269
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:02,430
>> of sound would be 7 decibels. I can We

3270
02:31:02,430 --> 02:31:02,440
» of sound would be 7 decibels. I can We

3271
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:04,520
all post a study on our website that

3272
02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:06,200
allow you to read. It's been done by

3273
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:07,800
Kimley-Horn, who's also here, a

3274
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:10,440
respected environmental

3275
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:13,160
consultant that that we we use quite

3276
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:15,120
frequently, that the industry uses quite

3277
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,680
frequently. But, it it'd be 7 decibels

3278
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:19,240
at 2.8 miles away.

3279
02:31:19,240 --> 02:31:20,590
>> Will you speak into the microphone,

3280
02:31:20,590 --> 02:31:20,600
» Will you speak into the microphone,

3281
02:31:20,600 --> 02:31:22,480
please? Thank you.

3282
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:25,960
The sound will be 7 decibels

3283
02:31:25,960 --> 02:31:29,240
a lot lower than that sound uh

3284
02:31:29,240 --> 02:31:30,760
at [laughter] at at the nearest

3285
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:32,360
resident.

3286
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:35,000
Have you thought about like past

3287
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:36,600
Nelson's Landing, that's still part of

3288
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:39,320
Boulder City.

3289
02:31:39,320 --> 02:31:41,160
You mean for an alternate place of

3290
02:31:41,160 --> 02:31:41,880
development?

3291
02:31:41,880 --> 02:31:43,430
>> Yeah, cuz we don't want to hear this

3292
02:31:43,430 --> 02:31:43,440
» Yeah, cuz we don't want to hear this

3293
02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:45,120
this noise.

3294
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:46,200
I I

3295
02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:48,240
Again, I I can share with you a study.

3296
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:50,000
What I'd like to do is post the study on

3297
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:52,560
our website, uh Mr. Smith, and then if

3298
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,040
we could engage after you've had a

3299
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:56,600
chance to review that study. Uh

3300
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:59,120
that study estimates that does the sound

3301
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:05,630
will be 7 decibels 2.8 miles away.

3302
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:07,160
Are you suggesting you'd like to

3303
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:09,720
withdraw this item until you can post

3304
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:11,640
the information? No, I'm not suggesting

3305
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:14,350
that at all.

3306
02:32:14,360 --> 02:32:16,320
How come it's not available for the

3307
02:32:16,320 --> 02:32:17,840
meeting where the decision about the

3308
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:18,880
land

3309
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:24,400
The the fact sheets do do state that the

3310
02:32:24,400 --> 02:32:26,800
that the residents of Boulder City will

3311
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:29,080
not have any perceptible

3312
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:32,120
feeling of heat or sound

3313
02:32:32,120 --> 02:32:34,320
living 2.8 miles far away. We've already

3314
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:36,400
said that it's on our website. This

3315
02:32:36,400 --> 02:32:39,400
study just further further supports that

3316
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:41,040
statement.

3317
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:45,030
Thank you.

3318
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:46,920
Just if I might just one thing further.

3319
02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:49,040
These are just emergency generators.

3320
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:52,160
It's not meant to be a full-time

3321
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:54,280
operating, you know, biodiesel

3322
02:32:54,280 --> 02:32:58,990
generator, just to be clear.

3323
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:00,560
Yeah, it it it's

3324
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:02,040
Who's who's to say that they're all

3325
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:04,240
going to run at a time? It it it Those

3326
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,480
generators basically react to unforeseen

3327
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:10,320
events. You lose grid. You you may not

3328
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:12,840
lose 100% of your grid. You may lose 10%

3329
02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:15,040
or 15%. That can be handled by the

3330
02:33:15,040 --> 02:33:17,320
battery. If you lose 50%, then you're

3331
02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:18,680
only going to be running half of them.

3332
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:20,720
So, to say that all 53 are going to be

3333
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:23,760
run, but even if all 53 are running,

3334
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:28,670
7 decibels to the nearest resident.

3335
02:33:28,680 --> 02:33:31,520
Yes, go ahead, Commissioner Red. So, how

3336
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,560
come you guys aren't just um building

3337
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:36,040
this out at USA Parkway or somewhere in

3338
02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:38,480
northern Nevada where it'd be

3339
02:33:38,480 --> 02:33:39,960
you would have to do no infrastructure,

3340
02:33:39,960 --> 02:33:41,520
everything's already there. They've

3341
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,320
already got 15 data centers out there.

3342
02:33:43,320 --> 02:33:46,400
Is it Is it pure economics

3343
02:33:46,400 --> 02:33:49,120
that by using Boulder City and our our

3344
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:51,000
inexpensive land that makes it more

3345
02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:52,880
attractive to you?

3346
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:53,760
Do you want to answer? Yeah, you can go

3347
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:56,640
ahead. Sure. Um so, the I think the

3348
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:59,120
question is why not somewhere else that

3349
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:01,000
is maybe already used to data centers,

3350
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:02,320
is that correct?

3351
02:34:02,320 --> 02:34:05,760
Yeah, so um we are developing many, many

3352
02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:07,680
other projects. This is This is one of

3353
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:09,360
about nine projects we're developing

3354
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:11,280
throughout the country. Uh we have

3355
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:14,640
looked at other sites in Nevada. Um why

3356
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:16,880
Boulder City? Why this particular piece

3357
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:18,840
of property? Um as we had originally

3358
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:20,440
studied this as a solar plus storage

3359
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:23,720
project, um it it it became obvious to

3360
02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:25,680
us that with the infrastructure that was

3361
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,440
already being put in place for a solar

3362
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:29,560
plus storage project, that it might be

3363
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:31,480
better to consider this as a data center

3364
02:34:31,480 --> 02:34:33,560
project, and hence we're here today to

3365
02:34:33,560 --> 02:34:35,760
to ask you to consider that.

3366
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:38,200
Uh infrastructure is in place.

3367
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:39,720
It it it and

3368
02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:42,240
it it it's we did we believe it is a

3369
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:45,480
higher value case for not only us, but

3370
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:47,360
for the city, and that's that's what

3371
02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:49,120
those numbers say.

3372
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,640
So, at 12% that's $480 million.

3373
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:55,720
Is your 12% and and

3374
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:58,200
so, we're going to get 3.6 for for our

3375
02:34:58,200 --> 02:34:59,800
of our revenue? Uh you're going to get

3376
02:34:59,800 --> 02:35:01,280
whatever these appraisals that are

3377
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:03,640
required by state law suggests and

3378
02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:05,600
whatever terms we're able to negotiate

3379
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:07,880
with the city council. I mean, if we're

3380
02:35:07,880 --> 02:35:07,960
going

3381
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:09,470
>> This is This is an estimate based on the

3382
02:35:09,470 --> 02:35:09,480
» This is This is an estimate based on the

3383
02:35:09,480 --> 02:35:12,440
appraisals that that we've we've we've

3384
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:14,160
done, and we just followed the same

3385
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:15,960
methodology that you use for the solar

3386
02:35:15,960 --> 02:35:17,800
fields. Would you be doing a

3387
02:35:17,800 --> 02:35:19,280
Would you be willing to do a profit

3388
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:21,760
share with us that uh you give us like

3389
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:24,160
6 8% of the profit?

3390
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:27,520
As as some city city staff knows, we

3391
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:29,960
have long ago proposed a public-private

3392
02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:31,560
partnership.

3393
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:34,080
Uh we'd be perfectly be willing to to

3394
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:35,880
work with Boulder City on that front.

3395
02:35:35,880 --> 02:35:37,240
We're doing that in other communities,

3396
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:39,120
by the way. So, this would not be new to

3397
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:40,400
Boulder City.

3398
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:41,000
Um

3399
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:42,960
you know, there there is upside benefit,

3400
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:44,720
of course. By the way, those numbers

3401
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:45,720
that you just came up with, those are

3402
02:35:45,720 --> 02:35:47,640
undiscounted numbers. So, to be fair,

3403
02:35:47,640 --> 02:35:49,240
we'd have to represent those in the

3404
02:35:49,240 --> 02:35:53,870
current value.

3405
02:35:53,880 --> 02:35:55,560
Thank you. Any other questions for the

3406
02:35:55,560 --> 02:35:57,920
applicant before I open the public

3407
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:00,400
hearing? Uh yeah, I have another one. Go

3408
02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:00,880
ahead, Matt.

3409
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:04,350
>> Um it was just um revealed that

3410
02:36:04,350 --> 02:36:04,360
» Um it was just um revealed that

3411
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:07,400
um your company has been negotiating

3412
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:10,400
with the city since 2017.

3413
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:11,400
Um

3414
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:13,480
why did we not hear about this until

3415
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:15,840
recently? And who were you negotiating

3416
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:19,160
with in the city? Which administrators?

3417
02:36:19,160 --> 02:36:21,800
So, uh to be clear, the negotiations I

3418
02:36:21,800 --> 02:36:24,000
believe you're referring to uh

3419
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,720
involved the solar plus storage project.

3420
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:28,600
I'm sorry. Involved Involved what? The

3421
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:30,760
solar plus storage project. Hence the

3422
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:33,720
name, when you hear Townsite Solar 2,

3423
02:36:33,720 --> 02:36:36,040
since we had developed Townsite Solar 1,

3424
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:38,120
we thought of this as the next potential

3425
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:40,480
phase as a solar project. So, when you

3426
02:36:40,480 --> 02:36:42,320
hear about those dates,

3427
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:44,080
um it was only very recently, in the

3428
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:47,000
last call it 6 to 9 months, that the

3429
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,480
concept of can this be used as a data

3430
02:36:49,480 --> 02:36:51,120
center?

3431
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:53,440
Infrastructure's there. Let's run it up

3432
02:36:53,440 --> 02:36:55,040
the flagpole, see what Boulder City

3433
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:56,280
thinks.

3434
02:36:56,280 --> 02:36:59,110
Thank you.

3435
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:00,880
So, the bottom line is

3436
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:02,760
the data center would be more profitable

3437
02:37:02,760 --> 02:37:04,160
than the solar that's already been

3438
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:06,520
approved out there.

3439
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:08,680
For us and and the city.

3440
02:37:08,680 --> 02:37:10,990
Correct.

3441
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:13,520
Thank you.

3442
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:17,240
Any other questions for the applicant?

3443
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:19,320
Okay, at this time I will open the

3444
02:37:19,320 --> 02:37:20,760
public hearing. This is a public

3445
02:37:20,760 --> 02:37:21,960
hearing.

3446
02:37:21,960 --> 02:37:24,000
Come on up, Shauna. I just like to

3447
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,880
reiterate, if you spoke in the first

3448
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:29,520
public comment, we just ask that if

3449
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:30,880
there are other people who have not

3450
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:32,880
spoken that they get the opportunity to

3451
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:35,720
speak if they would like to. Thank you.

3452
02:37:35,720 --> 02:37:37,440
Go ahead, Shauna. Hello, my name is

3453
02:37:37,440 --> 02:37:39,400
Shauna. Um

3454
02:37:39,400 --> 02:37:40,960
boy, that was a nice eloquent

3455
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:43,560
presentation, but they lost me at we've

3456
02:37:43,560 --> 02:37:45,960
already purchased equipment.

3457
02:37:45,960 --> 02:37:50,590
Like wow.

3458
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:53,280
They they if maybe I'm hearing it wrong,

3459
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:55,400
but they stated we've already purchased

3460
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:56,920
some equipment.

3461
02:37:56,920 --> 02:37:58,080
And

3462
02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:00,200
as eloquent as everything was, that to

3463
02:38:00,200 --> 02:38:02,720
me I think the word is presumptuous.

3464
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,920
Um and still not in agreement and even

3465
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:07,720
more not in agreement now.

3466
02:38:07,720 --> 02:38:13,950
Thank you.

3467
02:38:13,960 --> 02:38:17,000
All right. Brenda Lormie. Um

3468
02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:18,360
good point, but you know, they said

3469
02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:19,800
trust me.

3470
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:21,800
So, um

3471
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:24,400
that said, um I sat here in this room on

3472
02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:27,120
December 9th of last year.

3473
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:29,320
Uh they were here and they were asking

3474
02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:32,360
for a renewal on their their BES, which

3475
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:34,880
is battery energy storage system.

3476
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:37,120
And which we uh expired at the end of

3477
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:39,320
last year. So, that's what they were up

3478
02:38:39,320 --> 02:38:41,960
here asking for. It was

3479
02:38:41,960 --> 02:38:43,920
approved. We didn't think anything of it

3480
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:46,520
at the time, so we were obviously

3481
02:38:46,520 --> 02:38:48,080
shocked and surprised and we sat here a

3482
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:49,720
few months later

3483
02:38:49,720 --> 02:38:51,760
and they had pivoted to a data center

3484
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:53,080
company all of a sudden and then we

3485
02:38:53,080 --> 02:38:56,120
found out that's what every BES proposal

3486
02:38:56,120 --> 02:38:58,520
recently tends to become. So, everybody

3487
02:38:58,520 --> 02:39:00,920
just take note of that if you see BES

3488
02:39:00,920 --> 02:39:03,240
anywhere on an agenda, that's what's

3489
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:05,280
coming down the line. So,

3490
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,280
um and they've actually I think that

3491
02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:09,560
application, they were getting a renewal

3492
02:39:09,560 --> 02:39:12,000
of it. It had actually been approved

3493
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:13,840
originally, I think in Mar- in May of

3494
02:39:13,840 --> 02:39:16,520
2022. And this is data centers have just

3495
02:39:16,520 --> 02:39:19,840
become a more recent thing. And so, one

3496
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:22,560
of my questions is why the rush? And,

3497
02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:24,640
you know, big tech companies have have

3498
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:26,320
made it a rush because it's a supply and

3499
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:28,640
demand issue on their part. And I said

3500
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:30,600
this at the last council meeting,

3501
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:32,720
um, you know, lack of planning on their

3502
02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:34,920
part does not constitute an emergency on

3503
02:39:34,920 --> 02:39:39,360
ours. So, I have begged our city council

3504
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:41,680
to just hold back, wait for the November

3505
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:44,160
election. They've chosen not to do so,

3506
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:47,240
so I'm begging here, but uh

3507
02:39:47,240 --> 02:39:49,240
I'm hoping everybody read this

3508
02:39:49,240 --> 02:39:50,720
application. I'm sure you all did, but

3509
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:51,920
I'm hoping everybody else read their

3510
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:54,840
application carefully, their March 24th

3511
02:39:54,840 --> 02:39:56,720
application carefully, their December

3512
02:39:56,720 --> 02:39:59,040
9th application carefully, and poke

3513
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:00,520
holes in all of them because there's a

3514
02:40:00,520 --> 02:40:02,760
lot of holes you can poke in them.

3515
02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:04,040
Um, the

3516
02:40:04,040 --> 02:40:06,080
March 24th one, they misstated their

3517
02:40:06,080 --> 02:40:08,640
energy usage to a factor of 1,000 in

3518
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:09,920
their favor.

3519
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:12,120
Um, they said later that was just a

3520
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:14,840
mistake on their part. And tonight's

3521
02:40:14,840 --> 02:40:16,960
application, uh, I need to get my notes

3522
02:40:16,960 --> 02:40:19,520
out, but they they state their their,

3523
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:20,320
um,

3524
02:40:20,320 --> 02:40:24,000
their water usage, um, in three

3525
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,480
different where they're cooling in three

3526
02:40:25,480 --> 02:40:27,240
different ways. They state it under the

3527
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:30,120
cooling section six. Uh, they don't

3528
02:40:30,120 --> 02:40:32,400
state a number at all, but in section

3529
02:40:32,400 --> 02:40:34,960
three, I forget what that's listed, but

3530
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:36,600
in section three, I think they state it

3531
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:39,680
as 900,000 gallons per day. And then in

3532
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:42,200
section 10, they state it as 600,000

3533
02:40:42,200 --> 02:40:45,200
gallons per day. And they're acting like

3534
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:48,400
they say they pivoted away from a, um,

3535
02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:50,560
evaporative cooling system. And somebody

3536
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:51,960
else brought up there's a huge water

3537
02:40:51,960 --> 02:40:53,760
line going to there. Well, if they

3538
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:55,640
pivoted away from that, why is it listed

3539
02:40:55,640 --> 02:40:58,600
twice in their application for tonight?

3540
02:40:58,600 --> 02:41:00,320
I don't know. Those are two of the

3541
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:02,000
holes, and I've run out of time, so I

3542
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:03,880
won't go into the myriad other ones I

3543
02:41:03,880 --> 02:41:06,800
wrote down here, but just please read it

3544
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:07,880
and

3545
02:41:07,880 --> 02:41:10,600
um I just urge you again to please deny

3546
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:12,720
it. I had all my technical reasons, but

3547
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:14,240
I'll leave that to others. Thank you

3548
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:24,590
all. Appreciate you.

3549
02:41:24,600 --> 02:41:26,760
Commissioners, just two very quick

3550
02:41:26,760 --> 02:41:29,240
points. I know it's a lengthy process.

3551
02:41:29,240 --> 02:41:31,880
First, I'd like to thank Mr. Steve Rudd

3552
02:41:31,880 --> 02:41:33,720
for bringing up the mathematics of the

3553
02:41:33,720 --> 02:41:36,120
profitability for Boulder City, and I

3554
02:41:36,120 --> 02:41:38,400
would ask the commissioners to evaluate

3555
02:41:38,400 --> 02:41:40,960
and also Beth. I would ask the

3556
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:44,280
commissioners to really evaluate this.

3557
02:41:44,280 --> 02:41:46,760
To the citizens, it doesn't look like

3558
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:48,480
Boulder City

3559
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:51,720
is gaining something that equitably

3560
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:53,960
justifies

3561
02:41:53,960 --> 02:41:55,960
the objections that the that the

3562
02:41:55,960 --> 02:41:59,120
majority of residents here oppose.

3563
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:00,920
So, please, I thank you very much for

3564
02:42:00,920 --> 02:42:02,720
pointing that out and taking a careful

3565
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:05,080
look at that. As it's been said here,

3566
02:42:05,080 --> 02:42:07,440
it's it's been said that a a lease under

3567
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:09,600
these circumstances would have to be

3568
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:13,800
renegotiated. The second point is that

3569
02:42:13,800 --> 02:42:17,240
in the in the in the aspect of battery

3570
02:42:17,240 --> 02:42:21,200
storage for the transfer Eldorado Valley

3571
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:24,000
Transfer Area, that is something that

3572
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:26,480
has been noted in the Boulder City

3573
02:42:26,480 --> 02:42:28,600
Charter as acceptable.

3574
02:42:28,600 --> 02:42:31,160
However, in these instances, it then

3575
02:42:31,160 --> 02:42:33,800
becomes discerned down the road in the

3576
02:42:33,800 --> 02:42:36,960
process as it was here that data centers

3577
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:39,200
are more profitable, but I believe that

3578
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:41,680
the data center usage is not within the

3579
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:43,680
Boulder City Charter, and I would like

3580
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:46,280
to respectfully pose that I don't know

3581
02:42:46,280 --> 02:42:48,480
the legality of that, and perhaps you

3582
02:42:48,480 --> 02:42:50,480
all do, but I'd like to mention the

3583
02:42:50,480 --> 02:42:52,440
question of it here. Thank you very

3584
02:42:52,440 --> 02:42:53,480
much.

3585
02:42:53,480 --> 02:42:55,320
Ma'am, I didn't I didn't get your name

3586
02:42:55,320 --> 02:42:59,270
for the record. I apologize.

3587
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:01,040
Ma'am.

3588
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:01,880
No,

3589
02:43:01,880 --> 02:43:03,800
can you state your name? Yes, Kathleen

3590
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:05,840
McGarrity. Do I need to sign in again?

3591
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:11,510
No. Thank you.

3592
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:12,760
Okay.

3593
02:43:12,760 --> 02:43:14,320
Donna Mellor.

3594
02:43:14,320 --> 02:43:16,280
Just very briefly.

3595
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:18,240
I think that we've shown by everybody

3596
02:43:18,240 --> 02:43:21,240
here that and what you've heard outside

3597
02:43:21,240 --> 02:43:22,240
of here

3598
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:24,160
is that we are just completely against

3599
02:43:24,160 --> 02:43:26,040
these. We are not interested in hearing

3600
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:28,000
any more about it.

3601
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:31,760
We would really like you to consider

3602
02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:35,560
not passing on to the city council that

3603
02:43:35,560 --> 02:43:38,480
they should they should consider it.

3604
02:43:38,480 --> 02:43:42,200
We'd like you to just deny it. And

3605
02:43:42,200 --> 02:43:50,630
that's what I have to say. Thank you.

3606
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:53,000
Hi, my name is Cherabelle Lab.

3607
02:43:53,000 --> 02:43:54,480
And

3608
02:43:54,480 --> 02:43:57,520
I wanted to start off before responding

3609
02:43:57,520 --> 02:43:58,680
to some of the other things that were

3610
02:43:58,680 --> 02:44:01,040
brought up to what

3611
02:44:01,040 --> 02:44:03,400
our deputy city manager Michael Mace

3612
02:44:03,400 --> 02:44:06,360
said. Which is that these are just the

3613
02:44:06,360 --> 02:44:08,480
first steps. And

3614
02:44:08,480 --> 02:44:10,240
to that I ask

3615
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:11,800
would you want to take the first steps

3616
02:44:11,800 --> 02:44:14,160
towards a fire pit when you know that

3617
02:44:14,160 --> 02:44:17,200
the ultimate end goal is for you to fall

3618
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:19,000
down in it?

3619
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:21,200
Would you want to

3620
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:24,240
take the first steps towards a nuclear

3621
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:27,440
waste site? To a bed of spikes? To

3622
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:31,160
rabbit dogs? No. Cuz I wouldn't.

3623
02:44:31,160 --> 02:44:35,360
Um, and usually when you're taking steps

3624
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:37,160
towards something

3625
02:44:37,160 --> 02:44:39,640
it's because you're trying to get there.

3626
02:44:39,640 --> 02:44:42,080
So, trying to say that

3627
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:44,920
oh, well, we're just in the early steps,

3628
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:48,000
so it's not like we're doing this.

3629
02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:51,200
That's honestly quite silly to say.

3630
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:53,080
You're taking the steps. You're doing

3631
02:44:53,080 --> 02:44:54,680
the thing. If you're placing down wood

3632
02:44:54,680 --> 02:44:56,000
and hammering it in, that means you're

3633
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:58,560
building the thing. And right now, these

3634
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:01,320
are the steps. So, let's set down the

3635
02:45:01,320 --> 02:45:03,320
hammer because absolutely everyone has

3636
02:45:03,320 --> 02:45:05,960
said they don't want this. Let's just

3637
02:45:05,960 --> 02:45:08,080
not have the pit of spikes.

3638
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:09,240
So,

3639
02:45:09,240 --> 02:45:10,440
um

3640
02:45:10,440 --> 02:45:12,080
and let's not peer over the gates,

3641
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:13,360
especially when we know there's

3642
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:15,240
something bad on the other side. Uh

3643
02:45:15,240 --> 02:45:16,600
let's try to keep the eyes of Boulder

3644
02:45:16,600 --> 02:45:17,560
City

3645
02:45:17,560 --> 02:45:19,160
um

3646
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:22,160
and with the data centers,

3647
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:25,840
there have been many mistakes in the

3648
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:28,240
information they've put out. How many

3649
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:30,320
mistakes does someone, especially

3650
02:45:30,320 --> 02:45:33,120
company, get to make before the mistakes

3651
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:36,000
will be called lies or they'll be called

3652
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:39,440
a bait and switch? Um because it's also

3653
02:45:39,440 --> 02:45:42,480
interesting that they're up here saying,

3654
02:45:42,480 --> 02:45:44,160
"Oh, well, this is a very recent thing."

3655
02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:46,200
And yet, in other speeches, they're

3656
02:45:46,200 --> 02:45:47,960
saying, "We've thought long and hard

3657
02:45:47,960 --> 02:45:50,040
about this. We've put time into thinking

3658
02:45:50,040 --> 02:45:51,200
about this."

3659
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:53,040
It hasn't been really short or has it

3660
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:54,440
been really long? Cuz either you've

3661
02:45:54,440 --> 02:45:55,880
thought about this for a really short

3662
02:45:55,880 --> 02:46:00,000
time or really long time. And right now,

3663
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:01,760
we're not getting the same answer on

3664
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:03,080
that, but we're also not getting the

3665
02:46:03,080 --> 02:46:05,440
same answer on just about anything from

3666
02:46:05,440 --> 02:46:06,520
them.

3667
02:46:06,520 --> 02:46:08,400
So, with that, I would like to once

3668
02:46:08,400 --> 02:46:09,680
again say,

3669
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:10,720
please

3670
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:12,640
say no to the data centers. Not just you

3671
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:15,680
guys, but city council. I really hope

3672
02:46:15,680 --> 02:46:17,680
that our city council pulls through and

3673
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,560
that they can actually represent the

3674
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:22,480
city that they're saying they do because

3675
02:46:22,480 --> 02:46:24,760
right now, they're not acting like

3676
02:46:24,760 --> 02:46:26,920
they're here for our people. They are

3677
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:28,840
acting like they're here for them and

3678
02:46:28,840 --> 02:46:30,560
they're acting like the only chamber is

3679
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:33,080
an echo chamber and it's their voices,

3680
02:46:33,080 --> 02:46:35,640
not ours. We have thousands of voices up

3681
02:46:35,640 --> 02:46:36,720
here.

3682
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:38,680
I hope that thousands of voices are

3683
02:46:38,680 --> 02:46:42,960
finally enough voices. Thank you.

3684
02:46:42,960 --> 02:46:45,120
Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak

3685
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:47,640
in the public hearing.

3686
02:46:47,640 --> 02:46:49,400
Okay.

3687
02:46:49,400 --> 02:46:52,440
Say a little something. Barbara O'Quinn,

3688
02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:54,080
Barbie O'Quinn.

3689
02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:55,320
Um

3690
02:46:55,320 --> 02:46:58,400
the project manager, Rick, told us what

3691
02:46:58,400 --> 02:47:00,560
electrical upgrade

3692
02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:03,520
equipment they would or they have paid

3693
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:06,640
for already in detail.

3694
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:09,480
Um he did not say it was all the

3695
02:47:09,480 --> 02:47:12,320
electrical upgrades that would be

3696
02:47:12,320 --> 02:47:15,280
needed. So, my question to them would be

3697
02:47:15,280 --> 02:47:18,400
be what upgrades to the grid would still

3698
02:47:18,400 --> 02:47:21,760
be needed and who exactly would pay for

3699
02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:22,920
them.

3700
02:47:22,920 --> 02:47:25,680
Um my other

3701
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:29,200
comment is that he said that, rather

3702
02:47:29,200 --> 02:47:30,720
proudly,

3703
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:33,000
that they could truck water from

3704
02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:36,760
California or Arizona, but not this

3705
02:47:36,760 --> 02:47:37,880
area.

3706
02:47:37,880 --> 02:47:40,760
Much of our water comes from

3707
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:43,840
Colorado River, which we share.

3708
02:47:43,840 --> 02:47:44,840
We have

3709
02:47:44,840 --> 02:47:48,280
big agreements with Arizona, California,

3710
02:47:48,280 --> 02:47:52,800
Mexico. This whole area depends on our

3711
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:54,000
water.

3712
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:57,080
So, by trucking it in from California,

3713
02:47:57,080 --> 02:47:59,280
from Arizona,

3714
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:02,640
that's not helping us a bit.

3715
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,200
Um so, I'm sure you'd agree and I need

3716
02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:07,680
to I was supposed to sign in

3717
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:10,080
before, so I'm going to do that now. And

3718
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:12,830
that's all.

3719
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:15,400
Just have a lot of concerns.

3720
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:20,030
Thank you.

3721
02:48:20,040 --> 02:48:23,240
So, this is Adam Schultheis again.

3722
02:48:23,240 --> 02:48:24,480
And

3723
02:48:24,480 --> 02:48:28,240
I'm an educator, 36 years teaching.

3724
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:31,080
And I do my homework. Before I threw the

3725
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:32,800
my hat into the race for city council,

3726
02:48:32,800 --> 02:48:37,960
which was, by God, Friday 13th, no idea,

3727
02:48:37,960 --> 02:48:39,840
I did my homework.

3728
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:40,920
And

3729
02:48:40,920 --> 02:48:43,360
every paper I've read, and there are

3730
02:48:43,360 --> 02:48:46,200
hundreds of them. Hundreds of them.

3731
02:48:46,200 --> 02:48:49,480
University Chicago, Harvard, Yale,

3732
02:48:49,480 --> 02:48:51,040
Cornell,

3733
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,120
you name the top universities in the

3734
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:56,760
country and every single one of them are

3735
02:48:56,760 --> 02:48:59,200
anti-data. You know what's interesting?

3736
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:02,480
The only papers that are pro-data are

3737
02:49:02,480 --> 02:49:04,160
high-tech.

3738
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:07,160
So, you have the academics on the left,

3739
02:49:07,160 --> 02:49:10,520
you have high-data on the right.

3740
02:49:10,520 --> 02:49:12,160
So, we're talking

3741
02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:16,120
education, academics, fact,

3742
02:49:16,120 --> 02:49:18,560
and we're talking billions, billions,

3743
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:20,240
and billions.

3744
02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:23,680
Consider that. Don't sell your soul

3745
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:27,016
to the devil.

3746
02:49:27,026 --> 02:49:28,000
» [applause]

3747
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:29,590
>> We have a caller. We'll take the caller

3748
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:29,600
» We have a caller. We'll take the caller

3749
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:37,390
on the line, please.

3750
02:49:37,400 --> 02:49:40,480
Public comment, go ahead. billions Yes.

3751
02:49:40,480 --> 02:49:42,480
and billions.

3752
02:49:42,480 --> 02:49:45,520
You want to have money to bargain?

3753
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:48,440
I'm a registered voter here and my

3754
02:49:48,440 --> 02:49:50,200
question is how much fuel is going to be

3755
02:49:50,200 --> 02:49:52,040
stored there

3756
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:55,720
to per- to make those diesel generators,

3757
02:49:55,720 --> 02:49:58,400
you know, work in case the power goes

3758
02:49:58,400 --> 02:50:01,000
out is one of my questions.

3759
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,800
My other one is a statement and that is

3760
02:50:03,800 --> 02:50:06,360
every single one of you guys, anyone

3761
02:50:06,360 --> 02:50:08,120
that voted for this,

3762
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:10,080
my vote's going somewhere else. Thank

3763
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:12,790
you.

3764
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:16,670
I think we're not elected.

3765
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:18,720
Have another caller. Hi, sorry, it's me

3766
02:50:18,720 --> 02:50:21,040
again, the motormouth. I tried to fit a

3767
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:22,840
half an hour speech

3768
02:50:22,840 --> 02:50:25,160
into 3 minutes and I do thank you for

3769
02:50:25,160 --> 02:50:27,520
listening. Uh my name's Autumn McGrath

3770
02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:29,800
and I just wanted to do one quick

3771
02:50:29,800 --> 02:50:31,560
last part of my

3772
02:50:31,560 --> 02:50:34,680
30-minute speech here. Um

3773
02:50:34,680 --> 02:50:36,120
living in this extreme desert

3774
02:50:36,120 --> 02:50:38,200
environment gives us a strict

3775
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:41,000
responsibility to steward our lands more

3776
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:43,640
so than other other areas.

3777
02:50:43,640 --> 02:50:45,720
We should care so much more about our

3778
02:50:45,720 --> 02:50:48,560
wildlife and our lands than other areas.

3779
02:50:48,560 --> 02:50:51,400
This project sits directly in a critical

3780
02:50:51,400 --> 02:50:54,200
bird migration path. People don't know

3781
02:50:54,200 --> 02:50:56,920
this, but all of the wild bird species

3782
02:50:56,920 --> 02:50:59,520
of the western half of North of the

3783
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:01,840
North American continent pass through

3784
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:04,280
this area during migration,

3785
02:51:04,280 --> 02:51:07,280
a time when birds are most threatened.

3786
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:09,880
It's not only local wildlife at risk,

3787
02:51:09,880 --> 02:51:12,280
it's the entire western bird migration

3788
02:51:12,280 --> 02:51:13,920
pattern.

3789
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:15,360
Um

3790
02:51:15,360 --> 02:51:17,160
Uh there's

3791
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:19,480
there's so many birds. I think we're

3792
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:21,800
down to like the last few percentages of

3793
02:51:21,800 --> 02:51:24,480
bird species that we even have left.

3794
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:26,400
Like there's these there's book that

3795
02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:28,680
comes out every year about um the

3796
02:51:28,680 --> 02:51:30,960
western birds and every year it's

3797
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:32,560
smaller and smaller and thinner and

3798
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:34,240
thinner. There's like hardly any birds

3799
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:35,360
left.

3800
02:51:35,360 --> 02:51:37,160
Data centers are the current David and

3801
02:51:37,160 --> 02:51:39,520
Goliath story and small town residents

3802
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:41,480
are standing up against corporate greed

3803
02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:43,520
and sold out city councils all over this

3804
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:46,360
country. People are already stretched to

3805
02:51:46,360 --> 02:51:48,800
our economic limits limits by the cost

3806
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,080
of living. We are already traumatized

3807
02:51:51,080 --> 02:51:53,880
and exhausted by politics in general and

3808
02:51:53,880 --> 02:51:55,880
do not stab your hard working

3809
02:51:55,880 --> 02:51:58,520
constituents in the back for a

3810
02:51:58,520 --> 02:52:01,520
short-sighted underhanded deal. And

3811
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:04,240
those guys were really uh cringey.

3812
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:05,640
Um that was really cringey.

3813
02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:07,510
>> There'll be no personal attacks. Well,

3814
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:07,520
» There'll be no personal attacks. Well,

3815
02:52:07,520 --> 02:52:10,360
there was a lot of word salad Ma'am,

3816
02:52:10,360 --> 02:52:12,840
please make your point and do not

3817
02:52:12,840 --> 02:52:14,640
personally attack anybody. Thank you.

3818
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:15,920
Okay, you got it.

3819
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:19,200
I apologize for that personal part, but

3820
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:38,950
that was pretty corny to sit through.

3821
02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:41,040
» Hi, my name is Barbie Ruckle and I

3822
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:44,880
wasn't going to talk. Really nervous.

3823
02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:47,760
But I lived in Vegas since '82

3824
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,760
and I loved Boulder City

3825
02:52:49,760 --> 02:52:51,600
and I finally got to move here 3 years

3826
02:52:51,600 --> 02:52:52,680
ago

3827
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:55,120
and I just don't want to see it fall

3828
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:58,120
apart. It's such a beautiful little town

3829
02:52:58,120 --> 02:53:00,880
and nobody wants to see that break when

3830
02:53:00,880 --> 02:53:02,480
you're driving to town

3831
02:53:02,480 --> 02:53:03,920
and

3832
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:06,160
I just feel like they're giving us a

3833
02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:09,240
high school science fair show and it's

3834
02:53:09,240 --> 02:53:10,880
going to be yes, my rat's better than

3835
02:53:10,880 --> 02:53:13,800
yours and I just don't feel like they're

3836
02:53:13,800 --> 02:53:16,040
giving us the true information.

3837
02:53:16,040 --> 02:53:18,800
They're leading us down a false road and

3838
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:20,240
I just don't want Boulder City to fall

3839
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:22,440
apart.

3840
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:24,840
Thank you, Barbie. We'll take the caller

3841
02:53:24,840 --> 02:53:29,190
on the line, Madam City Clerk.

3842
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:30,840
What comment? I don't feel like they're

3843
02:53:30,840 --> 02:53:33,000
giving me the true information.

3844
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:34,520
They're leading us down

3845
02:53:34,520 --> 02:53:37,080
Hello.

3846
02:53:37,080 --> 02:53:38,320
You'll have You'll have to mute that

3847
02:53:38,320 --> 02:53:40,440
background. Go ahead. Got you. Got you.

3848
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:43,240
Hi. Hi. My name is Tommy. I spoke

3849
02:53:43,240 --> 02:53:44,520
earlier.

3850
02:53:44,520 --> 02:53:47,800
Tommy Love for the record. I heard all

3851
02:53:47,800 --> 02:53:49,680
of what they had to say

3852
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:52,040
and I have to say I didn't trust them

3853
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:54,640
before they spoke. Just the company in

3854
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:57,640
general and I definitely don't trust

3855
02:53:57,640 --> 02:53:59,880
them now after hearing

3856
02:53:59,880 --> 02:54:03,080
the presentation that I saw. And so I

3857
02:54:03,080 --> 02:54:04,520
hope that you guys can just really

3858
02:54:04,520 --> 02:54:07,040
consider not accepting these data

3859
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:09,320
centers here in Boulder City.

3860
02:54:09,320 --> 02:54:11,480
They told the room that they're

3861
02:54:11,480 --> 02:54:13,800
projecting a minimum and I want to

3862
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:18,400
emphasis emphasize minimum 12% profit

3863
02:54:18,400 --> 02:54:21,080
and what does the community really get

3864
02:54:21,080 --> 02:54:23,120
out of this? What they're really getting

3865
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:25,840
is more heat, less water

3866
02:54:25,840 --> 02:54:28,160
and just to kind of clear the confusion,

3867
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:30,280
as a registered nurse, I really I do my

3868
02:54:30,280 --> 02:54:32,640
background check. I make sure that we we

3869
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:34,320
have the facts. And the data centers,

3870
02:54:34,320 --> 02:54:36,600
they do produce heat. And in the valley,

3871
02:54:36,600 --> 02:54:38,720
this heat is already killing people in

3872
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:40,280
the summer.

3873
02:54:40,280 --> 02:54:41,880
And that's one of my biggest concerns in

3874
02:54:41,880 --> 02:54:43,200
general.

3875
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:45,160
But they are taking our water, and then

3876
02:54:45,160 --> 02:54:46,920
they're now contaminant or they will

3877
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:49,360
contaminate it further.

3878
02:54:49,360 --> 02:54:51,720
And this is not speculation. This is

3879
02:54:51,720 --> 02:54:54,360
actually what's been happening.

3880
02:54:54,360 --> 02:54:55,880
And the target They They target little

3881
02:54:55,880 --> 02:54:57,520
towns, beautiful little towns like

3882
02:54:57,520 --> 02:54:59,600
Boulder City, on purpose.

3883
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:02,240
Um some city towns like this, they need

3884
02:55:02,240 --> 02:55:04,920
the money, and I understand that, but

3885
02:55:04,920 --> 02:55:07,080
this is not how we should be going about

3886
02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:08,920
that in any form.

3887
02:55:08,920 --> 02:55:10,480
But I really do want to thank you guys

3888
02:55:10,480 --> 02:55:12,840
for hearing all of our concerns. I know

3889
02:55:12,840 --> 02:55:14,480
there's been a lot of amazing people who

3890
02:55:14,480 --> 02:55:16,720
spoke up tonight. And thank you for

3891
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:19,600
hearing us all out, because we need you.

3892
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,360
We really need you to hear us. Thank you

3893
02:55:21,360 --> 02:55:24,270
so much.

3894
02:55:24,280 --> 02:55:26,160
Thank you, Tommy.

3895
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,720
Any other

3896
02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:30,320
person wishing to speak during this

3897
02:55:30,320 --> 02:55:34,950
public hearing?

3898
02:55:34,960 --> 02:55:37,960
Torres, and I just have one observation

3899
02:55:37,960 --> 02:55:39,800
while they were talking. Um they were

3900
02:55:39,800 --> 02:55:42,480
talking about not um using potable

3901
02:55:42,480 --> 02:55:44,440
water, but having treated water that

3902
02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:46,840
they would be bringing in to use.

3903
02:55:46,840 --> 02:55:49,440
However, they did not clarify what they

3904
02:55:49,440 --> 02:55:51,560
would do if they had to replace that

3905
02:55:51,560 --> 02:55:53,800
water, the treated water. Where would

3906
02:55:53,800 --> 02:55:56,160
the other water go? Is it going to go

3907
02:55:56,160 --> 02:55:59,040
into our landfills? Is it going to go

3908
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:02,120
into the ponds, as you say, the back

3909
02:56:02,120 --> 02:56:04,480
ponds being pumped? So, that's

3910
02:56:04,480 --> 02:56:07,080
definitely something for them to

3911
02:56:07,080 --> 02:56:08,440
say that they're going to use treated

3912
02:56:08,440 --> 02:56:09,840
water, but they're not In order to

3913
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:11,320
replace it, they're not telling us where

3914
02:56:11,320 --> 02:56:12,320
they're going to put the water that

3915
02:56:12,320 --> 02:56:13,960
they've had to replace that, and where

3916
02:56:13,960 --> 02:56:15,960
it's going to be landing.

3917
02:56:15,960 --> 02:56:19,280
Hopefully not Boulder City. So, um thank

3918
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:21,800
you guys for listening, and for the

3919
02:56:21,800 --> 02:56:23,400
presentation

3920
02:56:23,400 --> 02:56:24,720
and um

3921
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,680
it's definitely a no still for the data

3922
02:56:26,680 --> 02:56:47,430
center.

3923
02:56:47,440 --> 02:56:50,080
My name is Barbara Paulson and my

3924
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:52,400
understanding is if the city were going

3925
02:56:52,400 --> 02:56:55,840
to sell any land over 1 acre, it would

3926
02:56:55,840 --> 02:56:57,840
have to go before a vote of the

3927
02:56:57,840 --> 02:57:00,960
citizens. Is that correct?

3928
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:02,600
Ms. Paulson, this isn't the sale of

3929
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:04,920
land, it's a lease and we can't answer

3930
02:57:04,920 --> 02:57:07,360
questions in public comment.

3931
02:57:07,360 --> 02:57:11,480
This is as important as selling land

3932
02:57:11,480 --> 02:57:13,200
and to make a decision like this, it

3933
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:16,160
should go before the voters. So, the

3934
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:19,920
voters vote and not have it decided by

3935
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:21,480
government body.

3936
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:25,173
Thank you.

3937
02:57:25,183 --> 02:57:27,990
» [applause]

3938
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:30,280
» Is there a caller? I'll take the caller,

3939
02:57:30,280 --> 02:57:38,790
please.

3940
02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:40,480
I've got a public side. Public comment,

3941
02:57:40,480 --> 02:57:43,630
go ahead.

3942
02:57:43,640 --> 02:57:46,800
Hello. Um this is Jennifer Lowe again.

3943
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:49,190
Um

3944
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:51,160
I'm I'm really grateful that you gave us

3945
02:57:51,160 --> 02:57:54,720
an opportunity to hear what was being

3946
02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:56,600
said. Um

3947
02:57:56,600 --> 02:57:59,120
and as I'm listening to them again,

3948
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:00,800
you know, I was a

3949
02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:04,400
I was an assistant to a project manager.

3950
02:58:04,400 --> 02:58:06,520
Um

3951
02:58:06,520 --> 02:58:08,520
I'm very familiar with this process and

3952
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:11,280
I and I'm going to say this with

3953
02:58:11,280 --> 02:58:13,480
as much heart as I can.

3954
02:58:13,480 --> 02:58:15,960
Um as I'm listening to them and and

3955
02:58:15,960 --> 02:58:18,760
truly listening. I felt like

3956
02:58:18,760 --> 02:58:20,320
it

3957
02:58:20,320 --> 02:58:22,600
It feels like this is a magical unicorn

3958
02:58:22,600 --> 02:58:24,560
presentation.

3959
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:25,800
Um

3960
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:28,480
like they are the unique exception to

3961
02:58:28,480 --> 02:58:31,040
the reality of the situations of data

3962
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:34,400
centers all across the country.

3963
02:58:34,400 --> 02:58:37,310
Um

3964
02:58:37,320 --> 02:58:39,000
It it seems like what they're trying to

3965
02:58:39,000 --> 02:58:42,760
sell us is an absolute one-off unique

3966
02:58:42,760 --> 02:58:46,320
exception to what has been a consistent

3967
02:58:46,320 --> 02:58:48,440
series of destruction of property,

3968
02:58:48,440 --> 02:58:50,120
destruction of health, destruction of

3969
02:58:50,120 --> 02:58:53,400
national resources. There's not been one

3970
02:58:53,400 --> 02:58:55,640
single community across the entire

3971
02:58:55,640 --> 02:58:57,200
United States

3972
02:58:57,200 --> 02:58:59,480
where having that data center has made

3973
02:58:59,480 --> 02:59:01,880
their situation any better. It's always

3974
02:59:01,880 --> 02:59:04,080
making the situation worse. This is some

3975
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:06,760
of the greatest man-made destruction

3976
02:59:06,760 --> 02:59:09,360
that has literally ever existed in

3977
02:59:09,360 --> 02:59:12,600
modern history. Yet

3978
02:59:12,600 --> 02:59:14,440
even with everything that they said, you

3979
02:59:14,440 --> 02:59:16,400
know, there were inconsistencies and

3980
02:59:16,400 --> 02:59:18,000
somehow

3981
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:19,920
this is going to be the magical one and

3982
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:22,040
only data center in the United States

3983
02:59:22,040 --> 02:59:24,120
that will

3984
02:59:24,120 --> 02:59:26,320
not cause problems and actually be a

3985
02:59:26,320 --> 02:59:27,920
benefit. You know, and they kept

3986
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:30,400
bringing up about this is out, you know,

3987
02:59:30,400 --> 02:59:33,400
X amount so far away, but

3988
02:59:33,400 --> 02:59:35,600
I was one of you know, and and

3989
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:37,720
until recent health event, I was one of

3990
02:59:37,720 --> 02:59:40,400
the people that used it that area,

3991
02:59:40,400 --> 02:59:42,120
whether it was

3992
02:59:42,120 --> 02:59:44,520
for hiking or when we used to be able to

3993
02:59:44,520 --> 02:59:46,640
off-road. Um

3994
02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:49,000
we have the canyons out there, the

3995
02:59:49,000 --> 02:59:52,560
petroglyphs out there. Um

3996
02:59:52,560 --> 02:59:54,640
And somehow the destruction is magically

3997
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:56,760
not supposed to happen and and I'm even

3998
02:59:56,760 --> 02:59:59,200
more against this than I thought I could

3999
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:01,480
have been. Um

4000
03:00:01,480 --> 03:00:03,520
You know, and they spoke about the Nova

4001
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:06,360
Center. So, while this was going on, I

4002
03:00:06,360 --> 03:00:08,840
researched it and the Las Vegas

4003
03:00:08,840 --> 03:00:12,160
Review-Journal says that

4004
03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:14,640
there are consistent quote unquote

4005
03:00:14,640 --> 03:00:17,480
consistent complaints

4006
03:00:17,480 --> 03:00:20,160
about high pitch noises coming from the

4007
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,160
Nova Center. So,

4008
03:00:22,160 --> 03:00:24,280
I'm I think I'm going to trust with the

4009
03:00:24,280 --> 03:00:26,560
people in the community who are

4010
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:30,440
complaining about this consistently

4011
03:00:30,440 --> 03:00:33,640
as to say instead of what we're being

4012
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:36,800
told because literally the only people

4013
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:38,800
who have stood up in

4014
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:40,880
support of this data center are the

4015
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:44,640
people who are directly financially

4016
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:47,480
gaining from the data center. You know,

4017
03:00:47,480 --> 03:00:50,120
and so my my ask is of you guys, and

4018
03:00:50,120 --> 03:00:52,880
again, thank you for hearing us. Um

4019
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:55,480
you know, if this is one more key to

4020
03:00:55,480 --> 03:00:58,600
destruction in our community, is that

4021
03:00:58,600 --> 03:01:00,320
really truly the destiny you want to

4022
03:01:00,320 --> 03:01:02,120
leave behind? Is that the most

4023
03:01:02,120 --> 03:01:04,110
>> Miss Levitt, your time's up. Thank you

4024
03:01:04,110 --> 03:01:04,120
» Miss Levitt, your time's up. Thank you

4025
03:01:04,120 --> 03:01:06,240
again for your comments. Okay. Thank

4026
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:08,200
you. Bye.

4027
03:01:08,200 --> 03:01:09,760
Any other

4028
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:11,440
person wishing to speak in this public

4029
03:01:11,440 --> 03:01:16,030
hearing?

4030
03:01:16,040 --> 03:01:18,120
Good evening again, Madam Chair,

4031
03:01:18,120 --> 03:01:20,920
commission staff, ladies and gentlemen.

4032
03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:24,160
Brandon Smith for the record. Um

4033
03:01:24,160 --> 03:01:29,240
I think it's it's important to highlight

4034
03:01:29,240 --> 03:01:31,640
the the series of presentations that

4035
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:33,120
have been pitched

4036
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:34,600
publicly

4037
03:01:34,600 --> 03:01:36,720
by the TS2 people.

4038
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:37,680
Um

4039
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:39,840
their their very first presentation

4040
03:01:39,840 --> 03:01:41,920
which was truly off by a factor of

4041
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:43,800
1,000.

4042
03:01:43,800 --> 03:01:45,560
Um it should have been shut down then

4043
03:01:45,560 --> 03:01:46,880
and there.

4044
03:01:46,880 --> 03:01:48,320
Um it wasn't.

4045
03:01:48,320 --> 03:01:51,320
Uh they continued to

4046
03:01:51,320 --> 03:01:55,080
I don't know, morph their their numbers

4047
03:01:55,080 --> 03:01:55,680
um

4048
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:58,120
every presentation. It started out as a

4049
03:01:58,120 --> 03:02:00,160
$2 billion project. Now it's a $4

4050
03:02:00,160 --> 03:02:03,000
billion project. They've spent $12

4051
03:02:03,000 --> 03:02:04,880
million by their own admission just a

4052
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:07,560
few minutes ago already anticipating

4053
03:02:07,560 --> 03:02:10,760
that this project is going forward. Um

4054
03:02:10,760 --> 03:02:11,920
you're right. They wouldn't have done

4055
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:14,800
any of this if they had not anticipated

4056
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:18,200
an overwhelming crazy amount of money.

4057
03:02:18,200 --> 03:02:20,760
We are talking trillions of dollars at

4058
03:02:20,760 --> 03:02:21,960
play here.

4059
03:02:21,960 --> 03:02:23,440
Um

4060
03:02:23,440 --> 03:02:25,840
and unfortunately, uh

4061
03:02:25,840 --> 03:02:28,960
their their data just isn't consistent

4062
03:02:28,960 --> 03:02:30,040
from

4063
03:02:30,040 --> 03:02:32,800
one set of data for the same thing to

4064
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:33,920
the other.

4065
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:36,960
Um Rick was up here talking about 167

4066
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:39,840
megawatts. Uh their proposal's for 300

4067
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:42,320
megawatts in two phases. Um they still

4068
03:02:42,320 --> 03:02:44,800
haven't come up figured out a way to to

4069
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:46,320
come up with the other half of the power

4070
03:02:46,320 --> 03:02:49,880
that they're needed. Um the you know,

4071
03:02:49,880 --> 03:02:54,200
the diesel generators and the amount of

4072
03:02:54,200 --> 03:02:55,360
power that they're going to need to

4073
03:02:55,360 --> 03:02:57,560
draw, they have to start those things

4074
03:02:57,560 --> 03:03:00,920
monthly just to keep them running. Um

4075
03:03:00,920 --> 03:03:02,520
you know, again, Rick would have us

4076
03:03:02,520 --> 03:03:04,120
believe that all this heat is just going

4077
03:03:04,120 --> 03:03:06,880
to float away and that it's advantageous

4078
03:03:06,880 --> 03:03:11,080
for the site to be 400 ft below what the

4079
03:03:11,080 --> 03:03:13,680
rest of the city is. Heat rises.

4080
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:16,840
Um if if I'm doing

4081
03:03:16,840 --> 03:03:20,320
my logic uh correctly, it would be more

4082
03:03:20,320 --> 03:03:22,640
advantageous to have it 4,000 ft in the

4083
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:26,040
air, not 400 ft below because it's just

4084
03:03:26,040 --> 03:03:29,360
going to come up and waft um into the

4085
03:03:29,360 --> 03:03:32,480
city uh unless the wind is blowing in a

4086
03:03:32,480 --> 03:03:34,360
very specific direction away from the

4087
03:03:34,360 --> 03:03:36,480
city. We're all going to feel it.

4088
03:03:36,480 --> 03:03:42,640
Um I I can't imagine a world where um

4089
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:45,080
we we're home to the seventh wonder of

4090
03:03:45,080 --> 03:03:48,320
the industrial world. We are small, but

4091
03:03:48,320 --> 03:03:50,280
we are mighty.

4092
03:03:50,280 --> 03:03:53,160
And let us be the city that says no to

4093
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:55,120
data centers when everybody else says

4094
03:03:55,120 --> 03:03:57,800
yes. So, when this all falls apart

4095
03:03:57,800 --> 03:04:00,120
somewhere down the line and lawsuits are

4096
03:04:00,120 --> 03:04:02,080
flying everywhere and data center

4097
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:04,240
developers are going bankrupt and trying

4098
03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:08,040
to sue everybody and us as citizens are

4099
03:04:08,040 --> 03:04:12,240
losing our health and our wealth. Um

4100
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:14,160
and we're suing

4101
03:04:14,160 --> 03:04:16,600
the the proponents of this,

4102
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:17,280
um

4103
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:20,120
the city will not be responsible because

4104
03:04:20,120 --> 03:04:27,830
we said no. Please say no. Thank you.

4105
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:33,110
I'll take the caller.

4106
03:04:33,120 --> 03:04:35,280
Public comment, go ahead.

4107
03:04:35,280 --> 03:04:37,160
Yes, again for the record, Fred Voltz.

4108
03:04:37,160 --> 03:04:39,000
I'd like to respond to some of the

4109
03:04:39,000 --> 03:04:40,640
things that were said both by the

4110
03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:42,800
proponents of the project and by the

4111
03:04:42,800 --> 03:04:44,840
deputy city manager.

4112
03:04:44,840 --> 03:04:48,080
Uh it is frequently a tactic used that

4113
03:04:48,080 --> 03:04:50,720
the public is considered to be full of

4114
03:04:50,720 --> 03:04:53,520
misinformation and misconceptions

4115
03:04:53,520 --> 03:04:55,800
uh to try and invalidate what the public

4116
03:04:55,800 --> 03:04:57,880
has to say and it's not a very

4117
03:04:57,880 --> 03:05:01,480
respectful way to treat people. Uh we

4118
03:05:01,480 --> 03:05:04,080
are able to read and analyze just as

4119
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:07,280
well as the experts. So, uh that is not

4120
03:05:07,280 --> 03:05:09,480
a good tactic to take.

4121
03:05:09,480 --> 03:05:12,120
Secondly, uh the quote that uh the

4122
03:05:12,120 --> 03:05:14,440
project is going to purchase power on a

4123
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:16,200
long-term basis from places like

4124
03:05:16,200 --> 03:05:20,240
Pasadena and Glendale completely defies

4125
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:22,360
the reality that California is very

4126
03:05:22,360 --> 03:05:24,640
short of electricity. It's very

4127
03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:27,720
expensive and the that's not really a

4128
03:05:27,720 --> 03:05:29,960
source. They will be on the spot market

4129
03:05:29,960 --> 03:05:32,720
with Boulder City competing against us

4130
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:34,800
and I do wish the project proponents

4131
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:37,240
would finally admit that rather than tap

4132
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:41,200
dancing around that very

4133
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:44,560
straight fact without any further

4134
03:05:44,560 --> 03:05:46,160
abracadabra.

4135
03:05:46,160 --> 03:05:48,880
Secondly, or thirdly, I'd like to say

4136
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:52,000
that it is very telling when proponents

4137
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:53,720
of a project have to engage two

4138
03:05:53,720 --> 03:05:55,400
different law firms and a public

4139
03:05:55,400 --> 03:05:59,160
relations firm to promote their project.

4140
03:05:59,160 --> 03:06:01,560
If it's so great, it should stand on its

4141
03:06:01,560 --> 03:06:04,240
own. They shouldn't need to have help

4142
03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:07,240
trying to shepherd it along and cajole

4143
03:06:07,240 --> 03:06:09,320
people into supporting it.

4144
03:06:09,320 --> 03:06:11,840
Again, nothing came up about their

4145
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:14,040
complete lack of experience running a

4146
03:06:14,040 --> 03:06:16,600
data center, so we don't know what sort

4147
03:06:16,600 --> 03:06:18,440
of operators they are. All we know is

4148
03:06:18,440 --> 03:06:21,520
what they say they will do. We cannot

4149
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:23,760
take that to the bank.

4150
03:06:23,760 --> 03:06:26,160
Uh there is no proposed remediation of

4151
03:06:26,160 --> 03:06:28,040
the injected chemicals into this

4152
03:06:28,040 --> 03:06:30,600
closed-loop system, and there was no

4153
03:06:30,600 --> 03:06:33,880
addressing of that issue on any

4154
03:06:33,880 --> 03:06:36,880
rational or specific basis. That is a

4155
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:39,080
real problem. There should be a

4156
03:06:39,080 --> 03:06:40,920
performance bond

4157
03:06:40,920 --> 03:06:43,760
in place so that if this company or the

4158
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:45,560
companies

4159
03:06:45,560 --> 03:06:47,400
cease doing business or create

4160
03:06:47,400 --> 03:06:50,320
environmental problems, we in Boulder

4161
03:06:50,320 --> 03:06:52,600
City have some sort of recourse. That

4162
03:06:52,600 --> 03:06:54,560
has not been proposed. That's not been

4163
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:56,040
discussed.

4164
03:06:56,040 --> 03:06:59,800
And finally, uh since the format uh

4165
03:06:59,800 --> 03:07:02,240
does not allow for the public to ask

4166
03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:05,120
questions and get answers, when will we

4167
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:08,080
have a workshop on this whole project

4168
03:07:08,080 --> 03:07:10,080
with city officials, with the

4169
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:13,320
proponents, where everybody gets to hear

4170
03:07:13,320 --> 03:07:15,680
the answer? That has not happened, and

4171
03:07:15,680 --> 03:07:17,920
apparently it's not going to happen the

4172
03:07:17,920 --> 03:07:20,040
way the two workshops were conducted.

4173
03:07:20,040 --> 03:07:21,200
So,

4174
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:23,280
none of what the proponents or the city

4175
03:07:23,280 --> 03:07:24,960
staff have said

4176
03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:27,320
give this public in Boulder City any

4177
03:07:27,320 --> 03:07:28,720
confidence

4178
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:34,070
that this is a good project. Thank you.

4179
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:35,280
Madam City Clerk, is there another

4180
03:07:35,280 --> 03:07:40,150
caller? Go ahead.

4181
03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:42,280
How about comment? Go ahead.

4182
03:07:42,280 --> 03:07:44,280
Hello, my name is Savannah Beck, calling

4183
03:07:44,280 --> 03:07:47,000
again. Um I was just calling to state

4184
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:52,200
that the um company is very trained in

4185
03:07:52,200 --> 03:07:55,400
PR and legal terminology. So, when

4186
03:07:55,400 --> 03:07:57,440
they're going over these points in their

4187
03:07:57,440 --> 03:07:59,960
PowerPoint, they're not giving us the

4188
03:07:59,960 --> 03:08:02,720
full information because they could be

4189
03:08:02,720 --> 03:08:06,000
held legally liable. Um that's why they

4190
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:08,440
contradicted themselves about

4191
03:08:08,440 --> 03:08:11,440
the pee water and when the commissioner

4192
03:08:11,440 --> 03:08:13,200
called them out about using that water,

4193
03:08:13,200 --> 03:08:14,640
they turned around and said, "No, we

4194
03:08:14,640 --> 03:08:16,280
didn't say that." But, they actually

4195
03:08:16,280 --> 03:08:19,240
did. Um so, you So, everyone really

4196
03:08:19,240 --> 03:08:22,080
needs to like listen to the specific

4197
03:08:22,080 --> 03:08:24,480
words that they're using because they're

4198
03:08:24,480 --> 03:08:26,760
not telling us the truth. And when

4199
03:08:26,760 --> 03:08:28,480
they're saying, "Oh, we actually got

4200
03:08:28,480 --> 03:08:31,480
approved for the storage facility, but

4201
03:08:31,480 --> 03:08:33,040
now we're going to change it to a data

4202
03:08:33,040 --> 03:08:35,520
center." When that wasn't the approval

4203
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:37,960
that they were given before, um that's

4204
03:08:37,960 --> 03:08:39,840
why we need need to push back on them

4205
03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:41,640
and keep telling them, "No, we do not

4206
03:08:41,640 --> 03:08:43,160
want this. They are not allowed to do

4207
03:08:43,160 --> 03:08:45,720
that to us. Please stop poisoning

4208
03:08:45,720 --> 03:08:48,120
our our water, our community,

4209
03:08:48,120 --> 03:08:51,560
everything." Um and quit lying to us.

4210
03:08:51,560 --> 03:08:57,830
And that's all I had. Thank you.

4211
03:08:57,840 --> 03:08:59,840
Is there another caller? There is. Go

4212
03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:01,640
ahead.

4213
03:09:01,640 --> 03:09:04,760
I've got a comment. Go ahead.

4214
03:09:04,760 --> 03:09:07,840
Hi, can you hear me? I can.

4215
03:09:07,840 --> 03:09:10,640
Hi, this is Jasmine Lazaro. I'm a third

4216
03:09:10,640 --> 03:09:12,640
generation Nevadan.

4217
03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:15,600
The applicants came in with polished

4218
03:09:15,600 --> 03:09:18,480
slides and the right words.

4219
03:09:18,480 --> 03:09:21,000
They told you the water would be

4220
03:09:21,000 --> 03:09:24,200
recycled, the environment protected,

4221
03:09:24,200 --> 03:09:27,040
contaminants monitored daily.

4222
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:29,280
And we're asking you to look at what is

4223
03:09:29,280 --> 03:09:31,880
actually happening, not the promises,

4224
03:09:31,880 --> 03:09:33,720
the record.

4225
03:09:33,720 --> 03:09:37,840
US data centers consumed 17.4 billion

4226
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:41,400
gallons of water in 2023 alone.

4227
03:09:41,400 --> 03:09:43,960
Equivalent to 160,000

4228
03:09:43,960 --> 03:09:46,200
American households.

4229
03:09:46,200 --> 03:09:49,080
That number is projected to quadruple by

4230
03:09:49,080 --> 03:09:51,320
2028.

4231
03:09:51,320 --> 03:09:54,160
And here is what they left out. Data

4232
03:09:54,160 --> 03:09:57,520
centers evaporate approximately 80% of

4233
03:09:57,520 --> 03:09:59,400
the water they draw.

4234
03:09:59,400 --> 03:10:03,120
Not recycled, not returned, gone.

4235
03:10:03,120 --> 03:10:05,960
Google consumed over 6 billion gallons

4236
03:10:05,960 --> 03:10:07,720
in 1 year.

4237
03:10:07,720 --> 03:10:10,800
One single Iowa data center used a

4238
03:10:10,800 --> 03:10:14,040
billion gallons, enough to supply all of

4239
03:10:14,040 --> 03:10:17,000
Iowa's homes for 5 days.

4240
03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:19,400
We are in Nevada, the driest state in

4241
03:10:19,400 --> 03:10:20,680
the nation.

4242
03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:22,440
More than half of our ground water

4243
03:10:22,440 --> 03:10:26,480
basins are already over-allocated.

4244
03:10:26,480 --> 03:10:27,920
When they told you water would be

4245
03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:29,360
recycled,

4246
03:10:29,360 --> 03:10:32,360
Microsoft pledged a 95% reduction in

4247
03:10:32,360 --> 03:10:34,680
evaporative water use.

4248
03:10:34,680 --> 03:10:37,000
They then changed their reporting method

4249
03:10:37,000 --> 03:10:39,560
methodology, so the numbers looked

4250
03:10:39,560 --> 03:10:40,680
better.

4251
03:10:40,680 --> 03:10:42,800
Google celebrated replenishment while

4252
03:10:42,800 --> 03:10:45,800
consumption climbed 28% in a single

4253
03:10:45,800 --> 03:10:47,000
year.

4254
03:10:47,000 --> 03:10:50,360
XAI launched a gray water project,

4255
03:10:50,360 --> 03:10:52,960
announced it would only cut aquifer use

4256
03:10:52,960 --> 03:10:57,480
by 9%, and put it on indefinite hold.

4257
03:10:57,480 --> 03:10:59,640
Indefinite hold. That is what their

4258
03:10:59,640 --> 03:11:02,560
promise looks like in practice.

4259
03:11:02,560 --> 03:11:05,560
Now, let me say what no one else will,

4260
03:11:05,560 --> 03:11:08,440
but also a lot of people know.

4261
03:11:08,440 --> 03:11:10,840
This is not just about data centers.

4262
03:11:10,840 --> 03:11:13,240
This is about billionaires deliberately

4263
03:11:13,240 --> 03:11:15,680
engineering a water shortage and

4264
03:11:15,680 --> 03:11:18,040
positioning themselves to profit from

4265
03:11:18,040 --> 03:11:20,720
it. The same executives building these

4266
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:23,640
facilities are investing in water rights

4267
03:11:23,640 --> 03:11:25,760
and water infrastructure.

4268
03:11:25,760 --> 03:11:28,320
They are not unaware of the scarcity

4269
03:11:28,320 --> 03:11:30,880
they are creating. For some of them, it

4270
03:11:30,880 --> 03:11:32,240
is the plan.

4271
03:11:32,240 --> 03:11:34,760
Secure Secure the ground water now,

4272
03:11:34,760 --> 03:11:37,000
control the resource, sell it back

4273
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:38,440
later.

4274
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:40,560
And while that happens, the federal

4275
03:11:40,560 --> 03:11:42,640
government, under pressure from tech

4276
03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:47,040
industry lobbying, moved in 2025 to gut

4277
03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:50,040
clean water act oversight and fast-track

4278
03:11:50,040 --> 03:11:52,840
data center permits. They are not just

4279
03:11:52,840 --> 03:11:55,520
taking the water, they are dismantling

4280
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:57,840
the laws that would make them answer for

4281
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:00,960
it. Our community is not a sacrifice

4282
03:12:00,960 --> 03:12:03,120
zone for someone else's investment

4283
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:06,280
portfolio. We are not against progress,

4284
03:12:06,280 --> 03:12:08,560
we are for accountability.

4285
03:12:08,560 --> 03:12:10,480
We are for binding transparency

4286
03:12:10,480 --> 03:12:12,920
requirements before a permit is signed,

4287
03:12:12,920 --> 03:12:15,880
not after. We are for our neighbors'

4288
03:12:15,880 --> 03:12:17,920
water still being here for their

4289
03:12:17,920 --> 03:12:20,920
children. We are for a future where

4290
03:12:20,920 --> 03:12:23,000
water belongs to the people who live

4291
03:12:23,000 --> 03:12:25,520
here, Ma'am, your time is up.

4292
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:27,990
>> that has never set foot in Henderson and

4293
03:12:27,990 --> 03:12:28,000
» that has never set foot in Henderson and

4294
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:30,000
never will. They came today with

4295
03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:31,360
promises and no

4296
03:12:31,360 --> 03:12:32,920
proof.

4297
03:12:32,920 --> 03:12:36,910
>> Thank you.

4298
03:12:36,920 --> 03:12:39,480
Is there another caller? Oh, thank you.

4299
03:12:39,480 --> 03:12:42,000
Hi, my name is Amanda Farrar. I'm a

4300
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:43,880
resident here in Boulder City, and I

4301
03:12:43,880 --> 03:12:46,440
spoke earlier in the meeting, and I'm

4302
03:12:46,440 --> 03:12:48,360
calling back with uh some further

4303
03:12:48,360 --> 03:12:50,960
comment and information, and I

4304
03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:53,120
appreciate you guys listening to

4305
03:12:53,120 --> 03:12:55,720
everyone's comments tonight. I did some

4306
03:12:55,720 --> 03:12:59,320
research on the size of the estimated uh

4307
03:12:59,320 --> 03:13:01,000
the estimated size of the data center

4308
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:04,000
buildings that are built on 88.5 acres

4309
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:06,120
of land, the size of the parcel we're

4310
03:13:06,120 --> 03:13:08,760
discussing, and also research on the

4311
03:13:08,760 --> 03:13:12,280
size of Walmart stores as a comparison.

4312
03:13:12,280 --> 03:13:14,200
And what we're actually considering for

4313
03:13:14,200 --> 03:13:17,240
the gateway to our beautiful Crane Town

4314
03:13:17,240 --> 03:13:18,840
that we're talking about starting with

4315
03:13:18,840 --> 03:13:21,360
two buildings, um but the word building

4316
03:13:21,360 --> 03:13:24,280
is actually a misnomer because the two

4317
03:13:24,280 --> 03:13:26,200
buildings that we're talking about

4318
03:13:26,200 --> 03:13:29,520
together, uh we can actually estimate as

4319
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:32,440
being the size of 14 regular Walmart

4320
03:13:32,440 --> 03:13:33,920
stores.

4321
03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:36,000
Or, because those stores come at

4322
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38,160
different scales, eight very large

4323
03:13:38,160 --> 03:13:40,520
Walmart Supercenters

4324
03:13:40,520 --> 03:13:44,400
or about 35 Walmart Neighborhood Market

4325
03:13:44,400 --> 03:13:45,840
stores.

4326
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:48,560
That is the scale of

4327
03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:52,160
what would be likely only phase one of

4328
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:54,840
the data center project uh that is being

4329
03:13:54,840 --> 03:13:57,480
discussed. And on top of having a

4330
03:13:57,480 --> 03:13:59,280
footprint

4331
03:13:59,280 --> 03:14:02,400
of the size of 14 Walmart stores, we are

4332
03:14:02,400 --> 03:14:05,000
talking about a monstrosity

4333
03:14:05,000 --> 03:14:07,520
um that is estimated to be about 40-ft

4334
03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:09,000
tall.

4335
03:14:09,000 --> 03:14:12,120
Um this is incredible. I remember

4336
03:14:12,120 --> 03:14:13,600
about 2 years ago, there was an

4337
03:14:13,600 --> 03:14:15,760
application by a local church for a

4338
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:17,960
senior apartment complex that was turned

4339
03:14:17,960 --> 03:14:19,880
down because of opposition by

4340
03:14:19,880 --> 03:14:22,160
surrounding neighbors who were concerned

4341
03:14:22,160 --> 03:14:24,560
about what poor elders would do for

4342
03:14:24,560 --> 03:14:26,560
their property values.

4343
03:14:26,560 --> 03:14:28,520
That project was not approved. It was

4344
03:14:28,520 --> 03:14:31,360
not built. Um it was my understanding

4345
03:14:31,360 --> 03:14:35,200
that the input um by neighbors was uh

4346
03:14:35,200 --> 03:14:39,080
was what stopped that project. So, I ask

4347
03:14:39,080 --> 03:14:41,760
why in the world would we recommend a

4348
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:45,040
massive eyesore that's intermittently

4349
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:47,760
noisy, creates light pollution, and a

4350
03:14:47,760 --> 03:14:50,760
town where our previous goal was to be a

4351
03:14:50,760 --> 03:14:52,920
dark skies area.

4352
03:14:52,920 --> 03:14:55,480
Uh it creates few jobs. It uses our

4353
03:14:55,480 --> 03:14:58,160
precious water supply. It gives off

4354
03:14:58,160 --> 03:14:59,560
heat.

4355
03:14:59,560 --> 03:15:01,440
It could put enormous strain on our

4356
03:15:01,440 --> 03:15:04,120
power grid uh which would likely raise

4357
03:15:04,120 --> 03:15:06,440
our power bills over time.

4358
03:15:06,440 --> 03:15:08,880
But, in addition to all that, a data

4359
03:15:08,880 --> 03:15:11,000
center is a massive liability for

4360
03:15:11,000 --> 03:15:13,400
Boulder City. Um I've heard that the

4361
03:15:13,400 --> 03:15:15,520
developers haven't done this before.

4362
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:18,080
There are red flags everywhere,

4363
03:15:18,080 --> 03:15:20,320
and I urge you guys on the planning

4364
03:15:20,320 --> 03:15:23,520
commission uh to listen to all the

4365
03:15:23,520 --> 03:15:25,960
concerns that have been expressed, and

4366
03:15:25,960 --> 03:15:28,200
to recommend against the data center

4367
03:15:28,200 --> 03:15:29,600
project.

4368
03:15:29,600 --> 03:15:33,190
Uh thank Thank for listening.

4369
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:36,480
Thank you. Is another caller go ahead.

4370
03:15:36,480 --> 03:15:39,710
Public comment go ahead.

4371
03:15:39,720 --> 03:15:41,880
Should I speak now or wait a moment? Oh

4372
03:15:41,880 --> 03:15:44,000
no, go ahead.

4373
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:46,360
Hello, my name is Carol Schultz as there

4374
03:15:46,360 --> 03:15:49,680
earlier. I did listen to the city

4375
03:15:49,680 --> 03:15:53,120
surveyor speak and he was talking about

4376
03:15:53,120 --> 03:15:55,280
technology and the way we're going and

4377
03:15:55,280 --> 03:15:58,240
we shouldn't miss the the boat. I just

4378
03:15:58,240 --> 03:16:00,840
wanted to say since all this started in

4379
03:16:00,840 --> 03:16:03,440
very short period of time ago,

4380
03:16:03,440 --> 03:16:06,480
I've become a studier of everything data

4381
03:16:06,480 --> 03:16:07,800
centers

4382
03:16:07,800 --> 03:16:10,760
and listening to absolutely everything I

4383
03:16:10,760 --> 03:16:14,200
can, reading everything I possibly can.

4384
03:16:14,200 --> 03:16:16,640
And from what he said, he's completely

4385
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:17,760
wrong.

4386
03:16:17,760 --> 03:16:20,000
The technology is going the direction of

4387
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:22,280
quantum compute.

4388
03:16:22,280 --> 03:16:24,640
And let me give you an example of that.

4389
03:16:24,640 --> 03:16:27,600
If you have an army of drones

4390
03:16:27,600 --> 03:16:28,720
and they're

4391
03:16:28,720 --> 03:16:31,240
out there on the war site and someone

4392
03:16:31,240 --> 03:16:34,080
drops a bomb, a dirty bomb inside your

4393
03:16:34,080 --> 03:16:36,200
country on that data at that data

4394
03:16:36,200 --> 03:16:37,200
center,

4395
03:16:37,200 --> 03:16:39,360
all the drones fall out of the sky. But

4396
03:16:39,360 --> 03:16:41,680
with quantum compute, they don't.

4397
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:43,600
That is the future.

4398
03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:47,240
And 18 to 24 24 months to build one of

4399
03:16:47,240 --> 03:16:49,160
these things, we're going to be that

4400
03:16:49,160 --> 03:16:52,440
much closer to quantum compute. That is

4401
03:16:52,440 --> 03:16:54,600
the way everything is going.

4402
03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:56,800
China's not building data centers.

4403
03:16:56,800 --> 03:16:59,520
France isn't building data centers.

4404
03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:00,600
You know,

4405
03:17:00,600 --> 03:17:03,360
this is just a probability thing going

4406
03:17:03,360 --> 03:17:05,760
on for these big companies.

4407
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:07,960
And we can find better ways to make

4408
03:17:07,960 --> 03:17:10,280
money out of our valley. Let's be more

4409
03:17:10,280 --> 03:17:12,240
creative.

4410
03:17:12,240 --> 03:17:13,920
But I encourage everybody that's there

4411
03:17:13,920 --> 03:17:15,360
on the commission

4412
03:17:15,360 --> 03:17:17,040
to fact check all of us who've been

4413
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:19,440
studying the facts from all of the

4414
03:17:19,440 --> 03:17:21,960
papers written by all the colleges and

4415
03:17:21,960 --> 03:17:23,920
all of the special tech companies are

4416
03:17:23,920 --> 03:17:25,680
saying one thing, but they never get

4417
03:17:25,680 --> 03:17:28,640
around to the specifics. And if you read

4418
03:17:28,640 --> 03:17:31,000
the 10-page Harvard paper yourself, it's

4419
03:17:31,000 --> 03:17:33,000
available online.

4420
03:17:33,000 --> 03:17:35,640
Maybe you can say, "This is no way." And

4421
03:17:35,640 --> 03:17:37,200
you can tell the city council, "These

4422
03:17:37,200 --> 03:17:39,480
people are right."

4423
03:17:39,480 --> 03:17:41,680
Thank you for your time. And I only had

4424
03:17:41,680 --> 03:17:43,720
to wait on hold for 30 minutes this

4425
03:17:43,720 --> 03:17:45,840
time. But, you know what? It's better

4426
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:47,640
than not getting picked up at all. Thank

4427
03:17:47,640 --> 03:17:51,830
you.

4428
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:53,720
Is there another caller? Uh-huh.

4429
03:17:53,720 --> 03:17:55,360
Go ahead.

4430
03:17:55,360 --> 03:17:58,080
Public comment, go ahead.

4431
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:00,280
Hi, this is Sharon Newby, Boulder City

4432
03:18:00,280 --> 03:18:02,920
resident. And um

4433
03:18:02,920 --> 03:18:04,600
I just I agree with everything that I've

4434
03:18:04,600 --> 03:18:06,920
heard tonight. And I probably know more

4435
03:18:06,920 --> 03:18:08,800
about data centers than I ever wanted to

4436
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:10,840
know. I never even heard of one before

4437
03:18:10,840 --> 03:18:12,320
all this started.

4438
03:18:12,320 --> 03:18:14,800
And uh just a couple of things that have

4439
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:16,320
stood out to me. The fact that they've

4440
03:18:16,320 --> 03:18:19,040
already invested 12.5 million in this

4441
03:18:19,040 --> 03:18:20,680
project, which they have no approval

4442
03:18:20,680 --> 03:18:21,840
for.

4443
03:18:21,840 --> 03:18:23,040
Uh the fact that they're going to get

4444
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,120
water from California or Arizona, that

4445
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:26,400
was the most ridiculous thing I've ever

4446
03:18:26,400 --> 03:18:28,040
heard. Cuz that we know that comes from

4447
03:18:28,040 --> 03:18:29,800
the Colorado River.

4448
03:18:29,800 --> 03:18:33,960
Um that they have the generators

4449
03:18:33,960 --> 03:18:36,760
and they're only going to do 100 hours a

4450
03:18:36,760 --> 03:18:39,880
year. Well, we just had winds up to how

4451
03:18:39,880 --> 03:18:41,880
much, you know, who knows what's going

4452
03:18:41,880 --> 03:18:44,440
to blow the dirt into these places and

4453
03:18:44,440 --> 03:18:46,800
cause problems all the time.

4454
03:18:46,800 --> 03:18:49,320
And uh the last thing

4455
03:18:49,320 --> 03:18:51,200
I want to thank uh

4456
03:18:51,200 --> 03:18:54,960
Beth and Matt and Steve [clears throat]

4457
03:18:54,960 --> 03:18:58,960
and Shanna and uh Kevin Smith for their

4458
03:18:58,960 --> 03:19:00,960
questions, which were good questions.

4459
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:03,320
Thank you. And um

4460
03:19:03,320 --> 03:19:04,240
I have so many notes here, I don't even

4461
03:19:04,240 --> 03:19:06,280
know where to go next.

4462
03:19:06,280 --> 03:19:08,720
Um [clears throat]

4463
03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:11,760
Kathleen McGarry, thank you. Thank you

4464
03:19:11,760 --> 03:19:13,880
all for coming and stating your

4465
03:19:13,880 --> 03:19:15,960
opinions. Thank you for listening,

4466
03:19:15,960 --> 03:19:18,560
planning commission. And I hope that you

4467
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:21,480
decide to deny this petition or whatever

4468
03:19:21,480 --> 03:19:27,150
it is. Thank you.

4469
03:19:27,160 --> 03:19:29,120
Is there another caller?

4470
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:32,950
Tony?

4471
03:19:32,960 --> 03:19:35,990
Public comment.

4472
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:44,663
Hello?

4473
03:19:44,673 --> 03:19:48,990
» [clears throat]

4474
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:51,080
» There's another comment. Okay. Public

4475
03:19:51,080 --> 03:19:53,200
comment, go ahead.

4476
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:55,120
Oh, hello. Thank you for taking my call.

4477
03:19:55,120 --> 03:19:57,240
This is Julie Kemp. I was also in there

4478
03:19:57,240 --> 03:20:00,080
earlier, and I had to leave, so I was

4479
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:01,240
listening online, and I heard the

4480
03:20:01,240 --> 03:20:03,440
presentation, and I just wanted to say

4481
03:20:03,440 --> 03:20:05,400
that, I mean, honestly, the presentation

4482
03:20:05,400 --> 03:20:07,000
was so

4483
03:20:07,000 --> 03:20:09,600
Let me turn off the computer. Um

4484
03:20:09,600 --> 03:20:11,560
Uh sorry, could you Do you need to

4485
03:20:11,560 --> 03:20:13,480
Should I repeat myself? No, we can hear

4486
03:20:13,480 --> 03:20:14,520
you.

4487
03:20:14,520 --> 03:20:16,000
Oh, okay. Okay, sorry.

4488
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:19,000
Um that the presentation was I mean,

4489
03:20:19,000 --> 03:20:20,800
honestly, it was sort of a joke. It

4490
03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:22,480
really did feel like I was listening to,

4491
03:20:22,480 --> 03:20:24,280
you know, kids in, um you know,

4492
03:20:24,280 --> 03:20:25,680
elementary school doing some kind of

4493
03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:27,760
project with It was just so

4494
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:29,280
unprofessional.

4495
03:20:29,280 --> 03:20:31,040
Um the other thing that comes to mind

4496
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:32,760
is, um so, my background is in

4497
03:20:32,760 --> 03:20:34,400
information technology, database

4498
03:20:34,400 --> 03:20:35,720
development, and I've also studied

4499
03:20:35,720 --> 03:20:38,280
cybersecurity. And so, I I handle cyber

4500
03:20:38,280 --> 03:20:40,400
awareness training at my company, and

4501
03:20:40,400 --> 03:20:42,360
one of the things that we talk about is,

4502
03:20:42,360 --> 03:20:43,600
you know, when someone calls you on the

4503
03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:45,360
phone, or, you know, you get some kind

4504
03:20:45,360 --> 03:20:46,840
of message on your computer, and and

4505
03:20:46,840 --> 03:20:47,960
they make you feel like this is an

4506
03:20:47,960 --> 03:20:49,400
emergency, you got to take care of this

4507
03:20:49,400 --> 03:20:51,040
right away, that's that's like the first

4508
03:20:51,040 --> 03:20:53,480
sign that there's something wrong. And I

4509
03:20:53,480 --> 03:20:55,080
feel like there's this such a sense of

4510
03:20:55,080 --> 03:20:56,600
urgency with this, like there's some

4511
03:20:56,600 --> 03:20:58,440
kind of emergency. Like, what are we

4512
03:20:58,440 --> 03:21:00,320
trying to fix here? I mean, if if

4513
03:21:00,320 --> 03:21:03,000
Boulder City needs a way to make money,

4514
03:21:03,000 --> 03:21:04,200
which it doesn't sound like there's like

4515
03:21:04,200 --> 03:21:05,840
some emergency, but even if there is,

4516
03:21:05,840 --> 03:21:08,000
hey, you want you guys want to make more

4517
03:21:08,000 --> 03:21:10,200
money, then great. Why don't you get the

4518
03:21:10,200 --> 03:21:13,120
community together, have a have a a town

4519
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:14,680
hall with the commissioners and the

4520
03:21:14,680 --> 03:21:17,320
planners, and the whole community make

4521
03:21:17,320 --> 03:21:19,600
sure everyone knows about it and have

4522
03:21:19,600 --> 03:21:21,560
have conversation and see what kind of

4523
03:21:21,560 --> 03:21:23,720
ideas the community has for bringing

4524
03:21:23,720 --> 03:21:26,640
different industry to Boulder City that

4525
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:28,640
fits more in line with

4526
03:21:28,640 --> 03:21:29,240
um

4527
03:21:29,240 --> 03:21:31,560
you know, energy sustainability. Um I

4528
03:21:31,560 --> 03:21:33,200
mean that's I thought the solar panels

4529
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:34,440
are great that would be something that's

4530
03:21:34,440 --> 03:21:37,200
wonderful for our community. We do we do

4531
03:21:37,200 --> 03:21:40,680
need sustainable energy um and and so

4532
03:21:40,680 --> 03:21:42,840
anyway, those are my thoughts and I do

4533
03:21:42,840 --> 03:21:45,040
hope that you just flat out say no

4534
03:21:45,040 --> 03:21:46,920
because there is some fake emergency

4535
03:21:46,920 --> 03:21:50,080
going on here and I mean I don't even

4536
03:21:50,080 --> 03:21:52,080
know we're hours into this meeting 3

4537
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:54,000
hours basically mostly of people saying

4538
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:57,800
no. So if you all vote yes, I I can't

4539
03:21:57,800 --> 03:22:00,400
even imagine why you would vote yes. It

4540
03:22:00,400 --> 03:22:02,000
really makes no sense. So thank you

4541
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:06,710
again for taking my call.

4542
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:09,240
Public comment, go ahead.

4543
03:22:09,240 --> 03:22:11,480
My name is Deal Snyder and I'm a 40-year

4544
03:22:11,480 --> 03:22:14,080
resident. I'm glad to hear the planning

4545
03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:16,800
commission asking such good questions.

4546
03:22:16,800 --> 03:22:18,720
If you look at the mechanics of this in

4547
03:22:18,720 --> 03:22:21,000
terms of the resolution,

4548
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:24,840
um Mr. I believe it's Lambers package

4549
03:22:24,840 --> 03:22:27,600
will be a chance to this as

4550
03:22:27,600 --> 03:22:29,880
part of the package. It's an addendum.

4551
03:22:29,880 --> 03:22:32,600
It's referred to and has become part of

4552
03:22:32,600 --> 03:22:35,400
it. I don't feel that a lot of

4553
03:22:35,400 --> 03:22:38,480
information is correct with warrants not

4554
03:22:38,480 --> 03:22:41,240
passing it. And if you look at the the

4555
03:22:41,240 --> 03:22:44,560
resolution itself, it's almost like a

4556
03:22:44,560 --> 03:22:45,800
counter where the

4557
03:22:45,800 --> 03:22:48,720
planning commission is very unfairly

4558
03:22:48,720 --> 03:22:52,040
driven down a course that leads to only

4559
03:22:52,040 --> 03:22:54,600
several different alternatives.

4560
03:22:54,600 --> 03:22:58,320
The passage of it is based on that this

4561
03:22:58,320 --> 03:23:01,400
data center is similar to

4562
03:23:01,400 --> 03:23:05,120
uh data the um solar fields. And we've

4563
03:23:05,120 --> 03:23:07,080
heard many many comments and including

4564
03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:09,840
from the applicant that shows this isn't

4565
03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:13,200
at all like the solar fields. So, to

4566
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:16,800
pass the resolution based on it being

4567
03:23:16,800 --> 03:23:19,680
similar to the solar fields,

4568
03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:22,160
I feel would be a mistake. And I

4569
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:24,240
appreciate all the comments. I agree

4570
03:23:24,240 --> 03:23:26,880
with everybody. And I want to note that

4571
03:23:26,880 --> 03:23:29,160
I've been here the whole time and

4572
03:23:29,160 --> 03:23:30,640
telephonically, just like a

4573
03:23:30,640 --> 03:23:32,160
councilperson

4574
03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:35,120
appearing telephonically, I feel that

4575
03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:38,080
I've been at the meeting if I raise um

4576
03:23:38,080 --> 03:23:40,600
any kind of appeal or other matter

4577
03:23:40,600 --> 03:23:43,040
relating to it. Thanks very much, and I

4578
03:23:43,040 --> 03:23:44,520
appreciate the comments of the planning

4579
03:23:44,520 --> 03:23:48,110
commission.

4580
03:23:48,120 --> 03:23:49,160
Another call.

4581
03:23:49,160 --> 03:23:50,080
Thank you. All right, we'll take the

4582
03:23:50,080 --> 03:23:54,910
next caller.

4583
03:23:54,920 --> 03:23:57,830
Public comment.

4584
03:23:57,840 --> 03:24:00,760
Hello. It's My name's Robert Green. I

4585
03:24:00,760 --> 03:24:02,240
just wanted to

4586
03:24:02,240 --> 03:24:04,160
say what I think

4587
03:24:04,160 --> 03:24:06,560
about the data center so far. I've

4588
03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:09,600
watched videos like news reports of

4589
03:24:09,600 --> 03:24:11,120
communities

4590
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:12,840
that place these in, and they're half

4591
03:24:12,840 --> 03:24:15,160
struggling with their water supply.

4592
03:24:15,160 --> 03:24:17,040
They're also struggling

4593
03:24:17,040 --> 03:24:19,640
with their water becoming dirty water.

4594
03:24:19,640 --> 03:24:23,040
What I think about this town so far,

4595
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:25,560
with their whole wanting to put this

4596
03:24:25,560 --> 03:24:28,240
data center in, it's going to absolutely

4597
03:24:28,240 --> 03:24:30,480
destroy our town

4598
03:24:30,480 --> 03:24:32,800
by sucking up the water. They tell

4599
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:35,000
people that they can't water their

4600
03:24:35,000 --> 03:24:37,560
plants, wash their grass within a

4601
03:24:37,560 --> 03:24:40,200
certain time because of a drought, but

4602
03:24:40,200 --> 03:24:42,400
they want to put in something that will

4603
03:24:42,400 --> 03:24:45,040
suck up our water. They'll They want to

4604
03:24:45,040 --> 03:24:46,800
put in something that has been shown to

4605
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:49,480
produce a bunch of heat. They want put

4606
03:24:49,480 --> 03:24:51,640
in something that has been shown

4607
03:24:51,640 --> 03:24:53,240
over and over

4608
03:24:53,240 --> 03:24:55,920
to ruin communities. That is the only

4609
03:24:55,920 --> 03:24:58,120
thing I wanted to say.

4610
03:24:58,120 --> 03:25:02,710
Have a good day.

4611
03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:07,030
Thank you. Is there another caller?

4612
03:25:07,040 --> 03:25:09,120
What?

4613
03:25:09,120 --> 03:25:13,670
You.

4614
03:25:13,680 --> 03:25:15,360
Anybody else wishing to speak during

4615
03:25:15,360 --> 03:25:26,750
this public hearing?

4616
03:25:26,760 --> 03:25:28,600
I came just to listen tonight. My name's

4617
03:25:28,600 --> 03:25:30,880
Anita Froystad. I came here just to

4618
03:25:30,880 --> 03:25:33,800
listen tonight, but I just felt I needed

4619
03:25:33,800 --> 03:25:36,600
to get up and say something.

4620
03:25:36,600 --> 03:25:38,360
Why are we putting it on our shoulders?

4621
03:25:38,360 --> 03:25:39,760
And maybe we should put it back on their

4622
03:25:39,760 --> 03:25:40,960
shoulders that they should come up with

4623
03:25:40,960 --> 03:25:42,880
a better product.

4624
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:44,040
And maybe they should spend some of

4625
03:25:44,040 --> 03:25:45,800
their money

4626
03:25:45,800 --> 03:25:48,360
on something that works a little better

4627
03:25:48,360 --> 03:25:49,920
that doesn't cause all the issues that

4628
03:25:49,920 --> 03:25:52,600
it is. And my other thought is

4629
03:25:52,600 --> 03:25:54,600
and I've lived here since I have owned

4630
03:25:54,600 --> 03:25:57,600
my home since '77.

4631
03:25:57,600 --> 03:25:59,280
If something comes up, and I love

4632
03:25:59,280 --> 03:26:00,840
Boulder City, I brag about it to

4633
03:26:00,840 --> 03:26:02,120
everybody.

4634
03:26:02,120 --> 03:26:03,560
Um

4635
03:26:03,560 --> 03:26:05,760
if something would come up where it

4636
03:26:05,760 --> 03:26:07,480
turns into a

4637
03:26:07,480 --> 03:26:09,080
a

4638
03:26:09,080 --> 03:26:11,680
health issue our property's going to go

4639
03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:12,800
down.

4640
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:14,600
It could just we could be a little ghost

4641
03:26:14,600 --> 03:26:15,800
town.

4642
03:26:15,800 --> 03:26:17,960
I mean, this is a big issue

4643
03:26:17,960 --> 03:26:19,960
as far as I'm concerned.

4644
03:26:19,960 --> 03:26:22,520
And I just think I just needed to say

4645
03:26:22,520 --> 03:26:23,960
that.

4646
03:26:23,960 --> 03:26:34,310
Thank you, Anita.

4647
03:26:34,320 --> 03:26:36,640
Hi, Karen Newcomer again.

4648
03:26:36,640 --> 03:26:39,640
Um I just wanted to say that

4649
03:26:39,640 --> 03:26:43,000
Boulder City is a lovely town now.

4650
03:26:43,000 --> 03:26:44,720
And it's it's listening to all these

4651
03:26:44,720 --> 03:26:46,960
people and their reasons and

4652
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:48,400
it just makes me

4653
03:26:48,400 --> 03:26:50,000
think that

4654
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,080
Boulder City should be continued to be

4655
03:26:52,080 --> 03:26:53,800
continued to be known as the home of the

4656
03:26:53,800 --> 03:26:55,880
Hoover Dam and not this town that

4657
03:26:55,880 --> 03:26:58,840
capitulated to this nightmare.

4658
03:26:58,840 --> 03:27:00,000
Thank you.

4659
03:27:00,000 --> 03:27:01,720
I guess.

4660
03:27:01,720 --> 03:27:03,800
Any other

4661
03:27:03,800 --> 03:27:05,920
members of the audience wishing to speak

4662
03:27:05,920 --> 03:27:10,150
during public hearing?

4663
03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:12,720
Any caller?

4664
03:27:12,720 --> 03:27:15,440
We'll wait for the 30-second delay to

4665
03:27:15,440 --> 03:27:17,920
give people at home a chance to call in

4666
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:34,990
before I close the public hearing.

4667
03:27:35,000 --> 03:27:36,920
You think it's up?

4668
03:27:36,920 --> 03:27:39,120
You think my 30 seconds is up? Okay.

4669
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:42,080
Seeing and hearing none, I'll close this

4670
03:27:42,080 --> 03:27:45,150
public hearing.

4671
03:27:45,160 --> 03:27:48,920
Okay. Prior to um opening up to the

4672
03:27:48,920 --> 03:27:51,040
commission, I

4673
03:27:51,040 --> 03:27:52,480
I want to make a couple points of

4674
03:27:52,480 --> 03:27:54,280
clarification.

4675
03:27:54,280 --> 03:27:56,080
Just based on

4676
03:27:56,080 --> 03:27:57,800
the numerous comment comments I've

4677
03:27:57,800 --> 03:27:59,320
heard. First, I want to thank everybody

4678
03:27:59,320 --> 03:28:01,600
for being here, staying 3 hours,

4679
03:28:01,600 --> 03:28:04,160
offering your input. Um it's very

4680
03:28:04,160 --> 03:28:08,240
appreciated. Um we we hear you. Um

4681
03:28:08,240 --> 03:28:10,160
that's part of the process. So, I

4682
03:28:10,160 --> 03:28:13,960
appreciate your passion and you sticking

4683
03:28:13,960 --> 03:28:15,720
this out. But, I do want to make a

4684
03:28:15,720 --> 03:28:18,040
couple points of clarification. Number

4685
03:28:18,040 --> 03:28:21,680
one is um just to remind everybody all

4686
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:23,840
of us up here are volunteers. We are not

4687
03:28:23,840 --> 03:28:25,560
paid anything. We're not paid for being

4688
03:28:25,560 --> 03:28:26,800
here, and we're certainly not paid by

4689
03:28:26,800 --> 03:28:28,880
any applicant. I want to make that very

4690
03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:31,560
clear. Um we are here because we care

4691
03:28:31,560 --> 03:28:33,960
about this community. We live here. And

4692
03:28:33,960 --> 03:28:35,440
you have to live here in order to be on

4693
03:28:35,440 --> 03:28:36,960
the commission. And if we didn't care

4694
03:28:36,960 --> 03:28:38,760
about the community, just like you, we

4695
03:28:38,760 --> 03:28:41,000
wouldn't be up here. Not only do many of

4696
03:28:41,000 --> 03:28:42,320
us serve on this commission, we do many

4697
03:28:42,320 --> 03:28:44,000
other things in the community because we

4698
03:28:44,000 --> 03:28:46,400
love it, just like you do.

4699
03:28:46,400 --> 03:28:49,680
I wanted to also reiterate what um

4700
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:51,360
Deputy City Manager May said about the

4701
03:28:51,360 --> 03:28:53,040
land management process. I heard several

4702
03:28:53,040 --> 03:28:54,720
comments regarding how the council did

4703
03:28:54,720 --> 03:28:57,080
not listen to you. And I just want to

4704
03:28:57,080 --> 03:28:59,280
make it clear that the council

4705
03:28:59,280 --> 03:29:01,040
forwarding the application to the

4706
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:02,880
planning commission is not approval of

4707
03:29:02,880 --> 03:29:04,520
the project. It's not support of the

4708
03:29:04,520 --> 03:29:07,480
project. What it does is the the land

4709
03:29:07,480 --> 03:29:09,600
management plan

4710
03:29:09,600 --> 03:29:11,360
does exactly what it did tonight and

4711
03:29:11,360 --> 03:29:13,480
that is give all of you the opportunity

4712
03:29:13,480 --> 03:29:17,480
to have input. It's whole purpose was to

4713
03:29:17,480 --> 03:29:20,880
give the public the opportunity to have

4714
03:29:20,880 --> 03:29:23,920
input before it was approved. So, this

4715
03:29:23,920 --> 03:29:26,280
whole notion and I'm not here to defend

4716
03:29:26,280 --> 03:29:29,520
the council's actions, but I'm trying to

4717
03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:32,920
um clarify the process.

4718
03:29:32,920 --> 03:29:35,040
The council forwarding it Well, first of

4719
03:29:35,040 --> 03:29:37,080
all, let me just back up.

4720
03:29:37,080 --> 03:29:38,520
The company

4721
03:29:38,520 --> 03:29:40,280
has been a great community partner since

4722
03:29:40,280 --> 03:29:41,880
the day they walked in city hall. I want

4723
03:29:41,880 --> 03:29:44,840
to reiterate that. They are um the

4724
03:29:44,840 --> 03:29:47,800
utmost professionals and them coming to

4725
03:29:47,800 --> 03:29:51,480
the city to say, "Hey, yes, we have this

4726
03:29:51,480 --> 03:29:53,880
land, but

4727
03:29:53,880 --> 03:29:55,760
here's an opportunity for the city as

4728
03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:58,640
well as us to to do something with it

4729
03:29:58,640 --> 03:30:00,560
that's different. That yes, it is

4730
03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:02,160
lucrative more lucrative for them. It's

4731
03:30:02,160 --> 03:30:04,400
more lucrative for us.

4732
03:30:04,400 --> 03:30:07,400
They had to The city couldn't shoot it

4733
03:30:07,400 --> 03:30:11,880
down before it came to you. You have to

4734
03:30:11,880 --> 03:30:14,360
operate in a public setting where all

4735
03:30:14,360 --> 03:30:16,400
the discussions and all the decisions

4736
03:30:16,400 --> 03:30:18,400
are made out in the open. That is the

4737
03:30:18,400 --> 03:30:20,600
purpose of this process. I hate to see

4738
03:30:20,600 --> 03:30:22,560
people thinking that the council's doing

4739
03:30:22,560 --> 03:30:24,880
something nefarious when they are doing

4740
03:30:24,880 --> 03:30:27,000
exactly what the city code has told them

4741
03:30:27,000 --> 03:30:29,720
to do and that's what we are doing as

4742
03:30:29,720 --> 03:30:32,680
well. This is your the whole the land

4743
03:30:32,680 --> 03:30:35,520
management plan was for us, the

4744
03:30:35,520 --> 03:30:38,200
citizens. So,

4745
03:30:38,200 --> 03:30:40,200
and and you

4746
03:30:40,200 --> 03:30:43,840
showed up. So, kudos to that.

4747
03:30:43,840 --> 03:30:47,910
Um

4748
03:30:47,920 --> 03:30:51,400
I'm going to

4749
03:30:51,400 --> 03:30:53,480
save I have a couple more comments but

4750
03:30:53,480 --> 03:30:55,280
I'm going to save them. I'll let other

4751
03:30:55,280 --> 03:30:58,600
planning commissioners speak.

4752
03:30:58,600 --> 03:31:00,440
I just want to address I think it's

4753
03:31:00,440 --> 03:31:02,360
great everybody came out. I've been on

4754
03:31:02,360 --> 03:31:04,360
the planning commission for going on my

4755
03:31:04,360 --> 03:31:06,480
eighth year and it makes it a lot better

4756
03:31:06,480 --> 03:31:08,200
when you guys come in and you interject

4757
03:31:08,200 --> 03:31:09,840
and you help. I think

4758
03:31:09,840 --> 03:31:11,720
you know, we are just the first step.

4759
03:31:11,720 --> 03:31:13,320
You know, the city council is the next

4760
03:31:13,320 --> 03:31:15,520
step where everybody needs to show up.

4761
03:31:15,520 --> 03:31:18,280
Um little disappointed we had we went on

4762
03:31:18,280 --> 03:31:20,160
for so long looking at the audience

4763
03:31:20,160 --> 03:31:22,160
we've lost half of the people

4764
03:31:22,160 --> 03:31:23,680
that didn't even stick around for the

4765
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:25,960
vote. So I know that everybody's

4766
03:31:25,960 --> 03:31:28,240
passionate they want to say something

4767
03:31:28,240 --> 03:31:29,640
but just listen to the people ahead of

4768
03:31:29,640 --> 03:31:31,560
you and make sure that we're just not

4769
03:31:31,560 --> 03:31:33,160
repeating the same thing over and over

4770
03:31:33,160 --> 03:31:34,520
and over

4771
03:31:34,520 --> 03:31:36,320
and and we want everybody you know, you

4772
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:37,560
get to sign a

4773
03:31:37,560 --> 03:31:39,320
petition. You show up. You show your

4774
03:31:39,320 --> 03:31:42,040
face but it's like I felt like we kind

4775
03:31:42,040 --> 03:31:44,600
of lost our momentum for you guys but

4776
03:31:44,600 --> 03:31:45,720
you know, the passion and everything is

4777
03:31:45,720 --> 03:31:47,880
there. We appreciate that and we

4778
03:31:47,880 --> 03:31:49,280
appreciate everybody taking time out of

4779
03:31:49,280 --> 03:31:52,360
their their schedules and researching

4780
03:31:52,360 --> 03:31:54,320
and everything else. So thank you guys

4781
03:31:54,320 --> 03:31:58,630
for that.

4782
03:31:58,640 --> 03:31:59,880
Any other comments from the

4783
03:31:59,880 --> 03:32:02,520
commissioners? Okay, I just I just

4784
03:32:02,520 --> 03:32:04,400
go ahead Steve. Yes. Yeah, I just want

4785
03:32:04,400 --> 03:32:05,920
to chime in

4786
03:32:05,920 --> 03:32:08,040
and again express my appreciation for

4787
03:32:08,040 --> 03:32:10,240
everyone that showed up tonight and and

4788
03:32:10,240 --> 03:32:12,880
this is the process, right? Having this

4789
03:32:12,880 --> 03:32:14,680
opportunity to come and let your voice

4790
03:32:14,680 --> 03:32:16,560
be heard and and it's the beginning of

4791
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:20,000
this process and what I would add is

4792
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:22,800
that I hope everyone recognizes that the

4793
03:32:22,800 --> 03:32:25,440
vote tonight is is not an endorsement or

4794
03:32:25,440 --> 03:32:28,880
a denial of of this project itself. The

4795
03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:31,640
authority of this commission is to

4796
03:32:31,640 --> 03:32:33,440
determine whether or not the applicant

4797
03:32:33,440 --> 03:32:36,000
has met the threshold of being included

4798
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:38,520
in the land management process.

4799
03:32:38,520 --> 03:32:41,600
And arguably that is a very subjective

4800
03:32:41,600 --> 03:32:43,760
threshold. It's a low one.

4801
03:32:43,760 --> 03:32:46,320
It's a low threshold honestly but it is

4802
03:32:46,320 --> 03:32:49,280
the beginning if you if you read the

4803
03:32:49,280 --> 03:32:53,120
Boulder City code and and and assistant

4804
03:32:53,120 --> 03:32:55,360
city manager Maze

4805
03:32:55,360 --> 03:32:57,800
referenced this, but the purpose is to

4806
03:32:57,800 --> 03:33:00,080
ensure effective and sound practices

4807
03:33:00,080 --> 03:33:02,000
surrounding the management of city-owned

4808
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,680
real estate. It is the first step

4809
03:33:04,680 --> 03:33:08,840
towards determining the viability of the

4810
03:33:08,840 --> 03:33:10,880
of the lease of city property in this

4811
03:33:10,880 --> 03:33:13,280
instance or the sale. In this instance,

4812
03:33:13,280 --> 03:33:15,720
it's the lease of city property. So,

4813
03:33:15,720 --> 03:33:18,960
again, this vote is simply to determine

4814
03:33:18,960 --> 03:33:21,600
whether or not this project goes on the

4815
03:33:21,600 --> 03:33:24,120
land management process.

4816
03:33:24,120 --> 03:33:26,440
It's not an endorsement. It It's It's

4817
03:33:26,440 --> 03:33:29,360
not stating that this project is even

4818
03:33:29,360 --> 03:33:31,880
going to be successful. Many of the

4819
03:33:31,880 --> 03:33:34,440
concerns, I believe, that were mentioned

4820
03:33:34,440 --> 03:33:36,880
tonight could be

4821
03:33:36,880 --> 03:33:40,360
reconciled contractually.

4822
03:33:40,360 --> 03:33:43,600
Who stands in in the authority to do

4823
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:45,840
that? The city. The city is the

4824
03:33:45,840 --> 03:33:49,560
landlord. The city can dictate the terms

4825
03:33:49,560 --> 03:33:52,960
by which this project has to adhere to.

4826
03:33:52,960 --> 03:33:55,040
And so, many of those concerns can be

4827
03:33:55,040 --> 03:33:57,200
resolved contractually. Some of them

4828
03:33:57,200 --> 03:33:59,680
will never be, granted. And and I

4829
03:33:59,680 --> 03:34:02,400
appreciate everyone for sharing those

4830
03:34:02,400 --> 03:34:03,960
feelings,

4831
03:34:03,960 --> 03:34:06,240
many of which cannot be reconciled by

4832
03:34:06,240 --> 03:34:09,960
this body at all. Some people will never

4833
03:34:09,960 --> 03:34:12,680
be convinced that a data center is good.

4834
03:34:12,680 --> 03:34:14,680
Some people will never be convinced to

4835
03:34:14,680 --> 03:34:17,360
the opposite. That's just how it works.

4836
03:34:17,360 --> 03:34:19,640
But, this is the process and I applaud

4837
03:34:19,640 --> 03:34:22,480
you for coming here, spending the time

4838
03:34:22,480 --> 03:34:24,960
to let your voice be heard, and I

4839
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:27,520
promise you that it is being heard and

4840
03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:31,000
the city council will hear it. But, it's

4841
03:34:31,000 --> 03:34:32,480
important to understand what this

4842
03:34:32,480 --> 03:34:37,070
process is and what it is not.

4843
03:34:37,080 --> 03:34:38,800
Thank you, Commissioner Morris. Does

4844
03:34:38,800 --> 03:34:41,040
anybody else have any comments?

4845
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:43,080
I just you know, at the end of the day

4846
03:34:43,080 --> 03:34:44,120
it was like we're

4847
03:34:44,120 --> 03:34:45,080
we're

4848
03:34:45,080 --> 03:34:46,720
voting on whether it's the proper use of

4849
03:34:46,720 --> 03:34:48,120
the the

4850
03:34:48,120 --> 03:34:50,160
land and we're we're going to change

4851
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:52,080
what it's going to be. And I think

4852
03:34:52,080 --> 03:34:54,000
everybody, you know,

4853
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:55,200
thought it was going to be for solar

4854
03:34:55,200 --> 03:34:56,720
battery storage and now it's going to be

4855
03:34:56,720 --> 03:34:58,320
for something else. It's kind of reminds

4856
03:34:58,320 --> 03:35:00,200
me of, you know, when the church came in

4857
03:35:00,200 --> 03:35:02,280
front of us and wanted to do something

4858
03:35:02,280 --> 03:35:04,960
besides a church. They wanted to do

4859
03:35:04,960 --> 03:35:06,600
low-income housing. It all sounds like a

4860
03:35:06,600 --> 03:35:07,920
great idea.

4861
03:35:07,920 --> 03:35:09,000
But

4862
03:35:09,000 --> 03:35:10,520
you know, basically we're we're voting

4863
03:35:10,520 --> 03:35:15,990
to change the use of that that property.

4864
03:35:16,000 --> 03:35:17,360
Thank you, Commissioner Red. I'll just

4865
03:35:17,360 --> 03:35:20,000
make one more comment and then we can

4866
03:35:20,000 --> 03:35:21,480
call for a vote.

4867
03:35:21,480 --> 03:35:23,200
Um

4868
03:35:23,200 --> 03:35:25,640
like Commissioner Morris said, our job

4869
03:35:25,640 --> 03:35:28,120
is determine if a data center would be

4870
03:35:28,120 --> 03:35:30,080
appropriate on that land. If there was a

4871
03:35:30,080 --> 03:35:32,720
data center, do I think that that land

4872
03:35:32,720 --> 03:35:33,720
would be the place to put it?

4873
03:35:33,720 --> 03:35:36,880
Absolutely. But with that being said,

4874
03:35:36,880 --> 03:35:38,760
also I want people to remember that it's

4875
03:35:38,760 --> 03:35:40,560
important that the city, regardless of

4876
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:42,200
you if you're very opposed to a project

4877
03:35:42,200 --> 03:35:44,160
or you are in favor of it, it's

4878
03:35:44,160 --> 03:35:45,520
important to consider, you know,

4879
03:35:45,520 --> 03:35:47,240
somebody said we need to be creative.

4880
03:35:47,240 --> 03:35:48,840
This is a process where people bring

4881
03:35:48,840 --> 03:35:51,640
their ideas forward and you can be

4882
03:35:51,640 --> 03:35:53,200
totally against them or all in favor of

4883
03:35:53,200 --> 03:35:54,240
them, but

4884
03:35:54,240 --> 03:35:55,880
that's what this, you know, this

4885
03:35:55,880 --> 03:35:58,640
company's trying to do. However, you

4886
03:35:58,640 --> 03:36:00,280
know, this is the hottest topic, one of

4887
03:36:00,280 --> 03:36:03,400
the hottest topics in the country

4888
03:36:03,400 --> 03:36:06,160
on top of our hottest topic is our lack

4889
03:36:06,160 --> 03:36:07,360
of water.

4890
03:36:07,360 --> 03:36:09,920
And regardless of how I personally feel

4891
03:36:09,920 --> 03:36:12,240
about the project or the applicant, this

4892
03:36:12,240 --> 03:36:15,320
town is not ready. It's not and I don't

4893
03:36:15,320 --> 03:36:16,800
I want to see the applicant be

4894
03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:19,400
successful and I want Boulder City to be

4895
03:36:19,400 --> 03:36:21,320
successful. I don't think that can

4896
03:36:21,320 --> 03:36:23,200
happen right now. I think there needs to

4897
03:36:23,200 --> 03:36:24,760
be

4898
03:36:24,760 --> 03:36:26,480
I think we need to be proactive by

4899
03:36:26,480 --> 03:36:29,320
creating policies, laws, codes,

4900
03:36:29,320 --> 03:36:30,560
whatever.

4901
03:36:30,560 --> 03:36:31,840
Um

4902
03:36:31,840 --> 03:36:34,640
so people know we're not just reacting

4903
03:36:34,640 --> 03:36:35,800
to and you know, the land management

4904
03:36:35,800 --> 03:36:38,000
process is transparent, but there should

4905
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:39,800
be

4906
03:36:39,800 --> 03:36:42,280
more structure, in my opinion. There's

4907
03:36:42,280 --> 03:36:45,280
several success stories out there

4908
03:36:45,280 --> 03:36:47,600
um with data centers operating all over.

4909
03:36:47,600 --> 03:36:49,120
You don't hear them because people

4910
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:51,240
aren't vocal about things that are

4911
03:36:51,240 --> 03:36:52,840
running smoothly. They're vocal when

4912
03:36:52,840 --> 03:36:54,000
there's

4913
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:55,200
they're afraid of changing their

4914
03:36:55,200 --> 03:36:56,960
community, something changing their

4915
03:36:56,960 --> 03:36:58,440
community, or

4916
03:36:58,440 --> 03:36:59,160
um

4917
03:36:59,160 --> 03:37:02,280
that type of thing. So,

4918
03:37:02,280 --> 03:37:05,000
I um

4919
03:37:05,000 --> 03:37:06,520
again, once again, thank you guys for

4920
03:37:06,520 --> 03:37:09,200
your input, and I will entertain a

4921
03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:13,350
motion.

4922
03:37:13,360 --> 03:37:16,200
I'll recommend I'll recommend denial of

4923
03:37:16,200 --> 03:37:18,400
resolution 1280.

4924
03:37:18,400 --> 03:37:20,480
Second.

4925
03:37:20,480 --> 03:37:22,000
All those in favor?

4926
03:37:22,000 --> 03:37:23,560
I. I.

4927
03:37:23,560 --> 03:37:26,080
Any opposed? Nay.

4928
03:37:26,080 --> 03:37:29,705
Motion carries.

4929
03:37:29,715 --> 03:37:37,110
» [applause]

4930
03:37:37,120 --> 03:37:37,575
» Uh

4931
03:37:37,575 --> 03:37:37,630
>> [applause]

4932
03:37:37,630 --> 03:37:37,640
» [applause]

4933
03:37:37,640 --> 03:37:39,510
>> item number four.

4934
03:37:39,510 --> 03:37:39,520
» item number four.

4935
03:37:39,520 --> 03:37:41,760
Item number four is um a monthly

4936
03:37:41,760 --> 03:37:43,720
allotment.

4937
03:37:43,720 --> 03:37:45,760
No report.

4938
03:37:45,760 --> 03:37:47,840
Thank you, Nakisha. And our final item

4939
03:37:47,840 --> 03:37:50,360
is public comment. This public comment

4940
03:37:50,360 --> 03:37:52,920
can be about any matter. I will now open

4941
03:37:52,920 --> 03:37:57,590
the public comment.

4942
03:37:57,600 --> 03:37:59,080
I am.

4943
03:37:59,080 --> 03:38:01,840
Two or three times, right?

4944
03:38:01,840 --> 03:38:03,360
Did you say right now is the public

4945
03:38:03,360 --> 03:38:05,760
comment for Yes, and it can be a on any

4946
03:38:05,760 --> 03:38:08,720
um topic. Okay. Johnna Malor. I just

4947
03:38:08,720 --> 03:38:10,200
want to say thank you.

4948
03:38:10,200 --> 03:38:12,680
Really. Thank you, Johnna. Have a good

4949
03:38:12,680 --> 03:38:16,230
night.

4950
03:38:16,240 --> 03:38:17,920
Cheryl Belob, and I just want to say

4951
03:38:17,920 --> 03:38:30,910
thank you to all of you who voted nay.

4952
03:38:30,920 --> 03:38:33,560
Kathleen McGarrity, I want to thank you

4953
03:38:33,560 --> 03:38:35,760
all wholeheartedly and I want to say

4954
03:38:35,760 --> 03:38:38,480
that many consider this a miracle.

4955
03:38:38,480 --> 03:38:39,640
So,

4956
03:38:39,640 --> 03:38:42,320
I am humbled to be wrong and I want to

4957
03:38:42,320 --> 03:38:44,840
apologize to you for my doubt and I

4958
03:38:44,840 --> 03:38:46,560
thank you wholeheartedly. Thank you

4959
03:38:46,560 --> 03:38:52,310
sincerely.

4960
03:38:52,320 --> 03:38:55,880
Adam Schultheis, what a joy. You didn't

4961
03:38:55,880 --> 03:38:57,600
sell your soul to the devil, accept

4962
03:38:57,600 --> 03:39:05,870
Steve Morris.

4963
03:39:05,880 --> 03:39:09,390
Any other public comment?

4964
03:39:09,400 --> 03:39:10,840
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And my

4965
03:39:10,840 --> 03:39:18,630
cousin in Milwaukee thanks you, too.

4966
03:39:18,640 --> 03:39:19,960
All right. I know you all want to go

4967
03:39:19,960 --> 03:39:21,640
home. Thank you. Have a good night. We

4968
03:39:21,640 --> 03:39:27,390
appreciate all you do.

4969
03:39:27,400 --> 03:39:29,320
Brandon Smith, for the record. Thank

4970
03:39:29,320 --> 03:39:32,160
you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, you guys

4971
03:39:32,160 --> 03:39:34,040
will be the commission

4972
03:39:34,040 --> 03:39:36,880
that goes on to um

4973
03:39:36,880 --> 03:39:39,760
set the bar pretty high going forward.

4974
03:39:39,760 --> 03:39:46,990
Thank you for your consideration.

4975
03:39:47,000 --> 03:39:50,990
I'll take the caller.

4976
03:39:51,000 --> 03:39:53,200
Public comment, go ahead.

4977
03:39:53,200 --> 03:39:56,200
Hi, my name is Tommy Love. Um, I just

4978
03:39:56,200 --> 03:39:58,240
wanted to say thank you for listening to

4979
03:39:58,240 --> 03:40:00,920
us and hearing us. Um, and I'm really

4980
03:40:00,920 --> 03:40:02,600
impressed that everybody got to spoke

4981
03:40:02,600 --> 03:40:05,800
up, but that is the point is even if we

4982
03:40:05,800 --> 03:40:07,360
are repeating ourselves, even if

4983
03:40:07,360 --> 03:40:09,040
multiple people are saying the same

4984
03:40:09,040 --> 03:40:12,240
thing, the point is to make sure that

4985
03:40:12,240 --> 03:40:15,200
our voices are heard as individuals.

4986
03:40:15,200 --> 03:40:16,680
Um, so I'm really proud of everybody's

4987
03:40:16,680 --> 03:40:18,200
for speaking up today, even though it

4988
03:40:18,200 --> 03:40:19,840
took your guys's time. Thank you so

4989
03:40:19,840 --> 03:40:27,830
much.

4990
03:40:27,840 --> 03:40:32,270
Any other callers, Madam City Clerk?

4991
03:40:32,280 --> 03:40:35,990
Oh, yeah.

4992
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:38,560
Public comment, go ahead.

4993
03:40:38,560 --> 03:40:40,440
I just want to say thank you guys on the

4994
03:40:40,440 --> 03:40:42,800
the Planning Commission um

4995
03:40:42,800 --> 03:40:45,680
for denying that and shame on those of

4996
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:49,000
you that actually said yes for it.

4997
03:40:49,000 --> 03:40:51,920
Ridiculous for those of you. Thank you.

4998
03:40:51,920 --> 03:40:53,110
>> Can you state your name for the record,

4999
03:40:53,110 --> 03:40:53,120
» Can you state your name for the record,

5000
03:40:53,120 --> 03:40:57,510
please?

5001
03:40:57,520 --> 03:40:59,973
Public comment, go ahead.

5002
03:40:59,973 --> 03:41:00,030
>> [laughter]

5003
03:41:00,030 --> 03:41:00,040
» [laughter]

5004
03:41:00,040 --> 03:41:01,630
>> Yeah, Neil Sonnenberg and

5005
03:41:01,630 --> 03:41:01,640
» Yeah, Neil Sonnenberg and

5006
03:41:01,640 --> 03:41:04,000
thanks so much for voting this down.

5007
03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:06,680
Everybody felt very strongly about it. I

5008
03:41:06,680 --> 03:41:08,680
just want to point out in operating the

5009
03:41:08,680 --> 03:41:10,920
Planning Commission because I did serve

5010
03:41:10,920 --> 03:41:13,240
as chair of the Planning Commission.

5011
03:41:13,240 --> 03:41:16,760
It's important that all understand the

5012
03:41:16,760 --> 03:41:19,640
mechanics of it. This wasn't about

5013
03:41:19,640 --> 03:41:22,320
whether to put it forward or not. The

5014
03:41:22,320 --> 03:41:24,080
only thing tasked to the Planning

5015
03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:27,640
Commission was to determine whether the

5016
03:41:27,640 --> 03:41:29,240
data center

5017
03:41:29,240 --> 03:41:32,720
was similar to the solar farm. That was

5018
03:41:32,720 --> 03:41:35,440
it. And I'm sorry that that was missed

5019
03:41:35,440 --> 03:41:38,480
and maybe a class could be held, but I

5020
03:41:38,480 --> 03:41:40,680
appreciate all of you in analyzing all

5021
03:41:40,680 --> 03:41:50,390
of this. Thanks very much.

5022
03:41:50,400 --> 03:41:52,373
Oh, I was already checked out. Sorry.

5023
03:41:52,373 --> 03:41:59,030
[laughter] Any other public comment?

5024
03:41:59,040 --> 03:42:02,950
Seeing any

5025
03:42:02,960 --> 03:42:05,040
Is there a caller? Seeing and hearing

5026
03:42:05,040 --> 03:42:19,990
none, meeting adjourned.

5027
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:24,710
» It's 12.

5028
03:42:24,720 --> 03:42:26,960
I'm sorry.