[0:00] for why we're interested in parking reform, why it's important and valuable [0:05] um to the city of Bellingham and then a little bit of background and timeline [0:10] just on some of the actions um over the last couple years related to parking for [0:15] reform and how we got here, some of those critical milestones. [0:21] Um then I'll just talk about yeah kind of the why behind why we're talking [0:26] about permanent regulations today as well as summarize what is in the [0:30] ordinance and what some of those proposed proposed changes are um to car [0:35] and bike parking and then we'll conclude with our staff [0:39] recommendation. Um then look forward to hearing from any [0:43] comments from the public as well as um continue discussion and feedback from [0:47] the commissioners. [0:51] So just to start off again might be a refresher but um just important to set [0:56] the stage of why we care about this part why we care about this topic of parking. [1:01] Um so as you may know a lot of the time parking requirements are often pretty [1:06] arbitrary as well as outdated um and have led to a gross overupp of parking [1:13] stalls in this country. Um and we know that removing parking can [1:18] also or removing the um requirement to have a minimum number of parking stalls [1:23] can remove a barrier to housing as well as provide other benefits specifically [1:29] um meeting our climate objectives, our housing goals, um our environmental [1:34] goals, especially the cost and availability of housing as well. Um, we [1:41] know that eliminating um, parking minimums can lead to a market driven [1:45] approach in which developers and others can rightsize the amount of parking they [1:50] provide rather than relying on mandatory city regulations. [1:56] And we've seen this happen across the country, across the world actually. Um, [2:01] so a lot of other cities have um also been engaged in parking reform efforts [2:07] and these um you can find out more information about that on the parking [2:12] reform network. That's a great resource. Um as well as just looking back at some [2:17] of the other council presentations. Um there's a lot of information um in those [2:21] if you want more background on parking reform theory. [2:25] For now, we'll move on to talk about what city of Belling City of Bellingham [2:30] has done with this regard. So, this kind of all kick started with um Mayor Kim [2:36] Lun's executive order in November 2024 in which she called for an interimm [2:41] ordinance removing um or eliminating the minimum number of parking stalls across [2:47] the city. And so, that was implemented in January 2025. [2:52] That's when the interim parking ordinance was first approved. So, it's [2:56] been in effect more than a year. And what happened um before it expired, we [3:02] went back to council in November 2025 and asked for an extension um for that [3:08] interim parking ordinance um with an adopted work plan. So, the reason for [3:13] that extension was that we wanted to have more time to evaluate the impacts [3:18] of eliminating parking minimums. We wanted additional time to see um what [3:24] commerce was going to recommend as far as guidance um on implementing and being [3:31] consistent with state legislation related to parking. And we wanted time [3:35] to develop the permanent regulations um as well as look at some parking [3:41] management strategies which were outlined in the adopted work plan. [3:45] So we had that time over the last six months to do that and that brings us to [3:50] today. Um as you may remember um in April we came back to planning [3:57] commission to give an overview of parking reform work. Um and we talked [4:02] about some options for moving forward and we did receive direction um to move [4:07] forward with the permanent regulations. Before we can do that as a next step, [4:13] actually we need another extension for the interimm ordinance because we did [4:17] the math and looked at the timeline for the type six process [4:21] um and having that be really tight. We will need some additional time to move [4:26] through the public review process. So that's not just planning commission but [4:30] taking this forward to city council. So we're proposing a second extension of [4:34] the interim ordinance just to get us through this type six process. Um the [4:39] new end date would be January 2027. So that gives us up to six months, but the [4:44] intention is not to utilize the full six months. We'll probably just need another [4:49] um month or two. And that all depends on how the conversations go um and the [4:54] direction we receive. So then yeah, that brings us to today's [5:00] public hearing, which is all about consideration of that permit, those [5:05] permit regulations. So that kickstarts that type six process [5:10] for the proposed code amendments. Um and just a little bit more background [5:16] on why we're now talking about the permit regulations. So again, we [5:20] recognize all the many benefits of parking reform. Um that I summarized um [5:28] we got that direction from planning commission. And we've also gotten [5:31] support from city leadership for all those good reasons um to move forward [5:35] with making what's in the interim regulations making that permanent code. [5:42] Um then we also know so state legislation has changed a lot in the [5:47] last couple years. So concurrent with Bellingham's parking reform work um a [5:53] number of significant pieces of state legislation were passed that relate to [5:56] parking. that's um significant limit how much parking we can provide regardless [6:02] of kind of that interim ordinance that we had in effect. Um so I'll talk a [6:06] little bit more about that um and the implications of the legislation. [6:12] Um and clearly city of Bellingham has shown a interest in going going above [6:17] and beyond state requirements towards a market driven approach um where we've [6:23] seen developers continue to provide parking um to various extent. So whether [6:29] um they're providing the same amount of parking as they did pre-interm ordinance [6:34] um or they're providing a little less, it's typically not less than what we [6:38] would have seen with a parking waiver. And it's pretty rare that we've seen any [6:42] projects um proposed with no parking at all, although of course that is a [6:47] possibility. So there's a whole mix of scenarios. Um but one of the main [6:52] positive impacts we've heard from our current planners is that not having a u [6:58] minimum parking requirements has um made it just so much easier to administer. [7:04] It's really allowed for an efficient and streamlined review process. [7:08] So, we've seen those benefits. Um, and we also know that we want to continue to [7:13] prioritize parking management work. So, that's existing and ongoing work across [7:18] the city. So, it's kind of a one city approach um to marking parking [7:23] management. And we know that we want to continue to do that in order to support [7:28] our MOHFI goals um and really make efficient use of the parking that we [7:33] have within the city. [7:40] Okay. So, just a little bit more on the legislation. Um, so like I said, [7:45] concurrent with the work that we were doing as a city on parking reform, um, [7:49] there are a significant there's a significant amount of legislation that [7:53] was passed, um, related to how much parking jurisdictions across the state [7:58] can require. Um, and that's based on construction methods or standards, [8:02] specific building uses, um, and building characteristics or location. So, I won't [8:08] go through all through all of these pieces of legislation. Um, but I will [8:12] highlight that there was also some changes to design requirements or [8:17] improvement standards specifically related to parking stall size. Um, and [8:22] those were integrated into our code updates as well to ensure compliance [8:26] with any of those state legislative changes. [8:31] Um, and then what I will touch on a little bit more is SB 5184, which is [8:37] known as the parking reform and modernization act. And this really has [8:42] some of the biggest wide-reaching implications across the state for [8:46] parking. Um, it has to be implemented by jurisdictions. [8:51] um like Bellingham bigger than 50,000 um with with a population greater than [8:57] 50,000 it has to be implemented by January 27th uh 2027 [9:03] and what this legislation does is it really limits how much parking can be [9:07] required for multifamily single family uses um and residential units under [9:14] certain size also um yeah known as dwelling units [9:20] Um it also limits parking for commercial spaces [9:24] and certain uses such as affordable housing, senior housing, child care, and [9:30] then those ground level non-residential spaces and mixeduse buildings. [9:35] Um so this is just to highlight how much is changing uh statewide in addition to [9:40] what city of Bellingham is proposing. [9:46] And then just quickly to touch on um [9:54] oh just to mention quickly also that commerce has um provided some draft [9:59] guidance for how to implement and interpret this legislation. And so we [10:03] were able to reference that as we were working on the code updates. Um it came [10:07] out in April. It was draft guidance so it's going to be changed. um and uh [10:12] based on feedback that was received and hopefully finalized in the summer. Um so [10:18] that was really helpful in um some of the questions we had of how to write the [10:22] permanent regulations. All right. So now to touch on the work [10:27] plan um just to say that this was an important part of our parking reform [10:33] work um in the last six months just exploring the feasibility and capacity [10:38] of various parking management approaches. So these were the five [10:41] different categories we looked at. Um and our conclusion is that there is a [10:47] lot of important work that can be done and continue to be done um across the [10:52] city by different departments and we want to continue exploring and applying [10:56] these strategies as needed to really make effective use of existing parking, [11:01] support our mode shift um and just recognize this importance alongside the [11:07] adoption of permanent regulations. [11:12] So now I'll review at a high level the proposed changes in the ordinance. Um I [11:19] will note that the ordinance is pretty lengthy. Uh and this is based on the [11:23] fact that parking is really addressed in many different code sections. So because [11:27] it pertains to so many different uses um you'll find it all across um BMC title [11:33] 20 as well as some other um titles in the code. [11:38] But uh the bulk of that is really a lot of consolidation [11:42] um removing redundancy bringing the code um to as much as possible one central [11:48] location. So it doesn't mean the length of the ordinance reflects the extent of [11:54] changes. It just speaks to how many different sections of code needed to be [11:58] edited in this process. Um so just to kind of yeah summarize [12:05] those main changes I those can be categorized as follows. So there's the [12:10] focus on making sure the code is updated to um eliminate any mention of those [12:16] minimum automobile um parking requirements. Um and that's specifically [12:22] number of parking stalls not design standards. Um it's updating our bicycle [12:27] parking requirements. Um other summary of changes looking at ADA parking and [12:34] then evaluating as well our EV charging requirements. [12:41] Um and I will just walk through each of these main categories [12:46] um and talk about some of those changes in each of them. So we'll begin with the [12:51] elimination of automobile parking minimums. Um, so like I said, this is [12:58] throughout the code. So, a lot of different um code sections to edit. Um, [13:02] the main place you'll find the the automobile parking requirements is in [13:07] BNC 20121. So, we really tried to centralize all [13:12] the requirements to this code section, remove redundancies like I mentioned. [13:18] Um, and the important thing that we're [13:21] retaining is general provisions, design provisions, and improvement standards. [13:26] These are all those requirements for parking that still apply if you are [13:31] voluntarily providing parking or in the um rare cases where parking would still [13:36] be required. So the elimination of automobile parking [13:41] minimums does apply citywide but we are proposing a few exceptions and that [13:45] would be for our existing development agreements. So that includes waterfront [13:51] um as well as Barkley and then we have any existing um planned [13:56] unit developments um and that an example of that would be Cordata master plan as [14:01] well as accepting our institutional master plans. So we have a few of those [14:06] and those for major institutions um uh our colleges that are local to us and [14:14] that's related to the fact that we know that those larger campus environments [14:19] have unique and specific parking needs and have a greater potential to push [14:23] parking demand into the surrounding areas. So we have an interest in [14:27] preserving parking um in those IMPPS until we have the opportunity to do some [14:33] further analysis and consideration and collaboration with those institutions [14:38] um for any other revisions. Um and then [14:44] yeah as I mentioned um yeah trying to centralize those [14:50] requirements and then also permitting the conversion of parking. Um, so when [14:55] you have existing parking lots or especially when you have an over supply [14:59] of parking, allowing that to be repurposed. [15:02] And the other thing worth noting is um that the removal of parking minimums [15:06] also implicates the need to repeal the Fair Haven Parking District since the [15:11] parking requirements um are no longer applicable there. [15:17] Um yeah, and consistency with state law. Again, there's just some minor tweaks um [15:23] to like parking stall size, improvement standards, things like that for when [15:26] parking is provided. So, you'll also find that in the amendments. [15:34] Okay. Now, I'm going to talk a little bit more about updating our bicycle [15:37] parking requirements. Um since this is a little bit um [15:43] yeah, this has more changes that weren't necessarily considered in the interim [15:47] ordinance. Um so for some background um our current bicycle parking standards [15:55] are fairly outdated. Um they were based on they were written more than 10 years [16:00] ago and they were largely based on current uh standards that Portland [16:05] Oregon had at that time. Um and this was before Portland updated their code in [16:10] 2019. Um and at that time the bicycle parking [16:15] was only applicable to the downtown and then it slowly expanded to urban [16:19] villages with our interim parking ordinance. Um we did make those bicycle [16:24] parking standards applicable citywide but we didn't take any look at [16:29] modernizing that code or making any other changes. Um so we saw this as an [16:34] opportunity to propose um some changes to that code. [16:39] Um and other important thing to note is that this is largely supported by um [16:45] multiple city documents that have goals, policies, and actions um to support [16:50] things like modernizing the bicycle parking requirements um due to our mode [16:56] shift goals, due to our um interest in reducing admiss emissions and increasing [17:01] safety. focusing on accessibility and secure [17:06] bike parking um meeting needs of larger bikes and just in general reducing [17:11] vehicle parking exchange for more um bike parking. So both the or the [17:17] Bellingham plan adopted in 2025, the multimotal transportation plan from 2025 [17:23] as well as the bicycle master plan from 2024 all speak to um goals and policies [17:29] that relate to um making some changes and improvements to our um bicycle [17:35] parking code. And we do have a 7% MOCH shift goal for the next 10 years and a [17:42] um 10% MOHIF goal for the next 20 years. So that's a big driver for why we're [17:49] looking at some of these changes. And what's being proposed is a new code [17:55] section which would distinguish the bike parking from the um car parking [17:59] requirements um and be codified in 201215. [18:05] Um, this would modify what we have in our interim um, parking regulations [18:13] and like I said would apply citywide, not just urban villages. [18:17] It intends to specify the circumstances under which bike parking applies and [18:22] allows for an administrative waiver process [18:26] um, for extenduating circumstances. The goal was also to expand some of the [18:32] bike parking categories or land use categories and update update the [18:37] required ratios. Um and those are that's based on research that was done into um [18:43] best practices um recommendations for bike parking as well as other codes. Um [18:49] Seattle and Portland were um two codes that I looked at specifically. [18:54] And then there's some minor facility design changes that relate to safety, [18:59] accessibility, and convenience of bike parking. Um, and I won't go into all of [19:04] those specifics. Um, but I'm happy to talk about those more if there's [19:08] questions that come up. [19:12] All right. So, moving on to ADA parking. Um, it's important to [19:18] know that there are some modifications from what was in the interim ordinance [19:22] that previously the ordinance we had required at least one accessible stall [19:27] for all new construction regardless of whether or not parking is provided. [19:32] Um, however, in looking into the state legislation and the guidance from [19:37] commerce, we've learned that requiring additional ads ADA stalls when no [19:41] parking is provided would require a variance from the state law. Um so what [19:47] we're proposing is consistent with what commerce has advised us to do um unless [19:53] we were to require variance which is to provide um or require ADA parking [19:58] consistent with those 2010 ADA standards and ratios. Um and the trigger for this [20:04] would be when parking is voluntarily provided on a site has to be in [20:08] compliance with what the ADA ratios and design requirements are. Um, and it [20:14] should be noted that there there's a possibility that they might be updating [20:19] the building code related to requirements for accessible parking [20:23] spaces. So, that's just something to monitor moving forward and see if we [20:28] will need to make any changes based on that. Um, so for now, this is what's [20:33] proposed. And then finally, EV EV for EV charging. [20:39] There's actually no specific changes in the ordinance. Um but this is just to [20:44] acknowledge that EVA EV charging will be required as before where it's really [20:49] contingent upon how much parking is provided. So kind of similar to ADA um [20:55] the requirements would apply when parking is voluntarily provided and we [20:59] can't go above beyond that um for the EV charging infrastructure. [21:08] Okay. Then I wanted to conclude with just highlighting a few um topics for [21:13] future discussion and just monitoring and tracking over time. So one of the [21:18] things that um the state legislation does allow us to do is to [21:24] require um temporary and timerestricted parking. So that would be things like [21:28] zones, drop off spaces, things like that. um that piece of legislation um [21:35] parking reform and modernization act allows us to do that. And so that might [21:40] just be something we want to monitor over time and potentially make changes [21:44] to um what's what's in our code right now for loading [21:48] spaces and um drop off zones and things like that. [21:54] Then the other topic would be kind of the tracking potential need for parking [21:58] maximums. So, this would involve establishing upper limits on parking to [22:02] prevent over supply and in some cases um could help reduce vehicle trips or help [22:08] with our MOHFI goals. So, that's something to keep in mind that we're not [22:12] proposing at this time, but could be future consideration. [22:16] Um, and then again, ADA parking since it's a little bit up in the air what the [22:21] building code might um look at in the future. Um, we should also just track [22:26] the supply and demand of ADA parking uh for both off- streetet and on street [22:32] parking context um and make sure that we have sufficient ADA parking in both um [22:37] the public and private contexts. [22:42] And that brings me to our staff recommendation um and just [22:46] acknowledgement of yeah the receipt of a combination of questions and comments [22:51] that were submitted from one person. um in advance of tonight's meeting um and [22:56] those should have been forwarded to the commission as well. These were mainly [23:01] clarification questions about some of the content of the ordinance and those [23:04] proposed changes as well as some specific comments about the implications [23:08] of the bike parking ratios for certain uses um with some concern that they [23:13] might not be adequate. And then to acknowledge [23:19] um that park yeah the parking ordinance is a welcome permanent continuation of [23:24] much of the intent and and content as well of our interimm ordinance. Our goal [23:29] was to ensure that um the ordinance establishes consistency with the state [23:34] law um also consistent with the goals and policies in the Bellingham plan that [23:39] was recently adopted. And therefore, we recommend that the planning commission [23:44] uh vote to approve the propos proposed amendments to the Bellingham Municipal [23:48] Code related to um automobile and bicycle parking. [23:53] And with that, I look forward to hearing um additional comments from the public [23:57] and discussion and feedback from the commissioners. [24:02] Thank you. >> Thank you. [24:06] Okay. Right now, I will take a public comment. So, if anyone came here to [24:10] speak on this topic, you can come on down and you'll have three minutes to [24:15] speak your case and please state your name for the record. [24:20] » Commission, my name is Jam Aosti. I am the one person Anya referred to um who [24:25] had some clarification questions and I just want to thank Steph and Anya and [24:28] Kurt for all their thoughtful work on a very detailed um important project here. [24:33] There's always a point in every public comment that I've ever watched where I'm [24:36] like, "Wow, people care a lot about really weird stuff and this is now my [24:39] turn to be the person that cares a lot about something very detailed." Um, I [24:43] first met I had coffee with Kurt uh three years ago about this topic um a [24:49] month before my son was born and my son's now two and a half and like speaks [24:52] full sentences to me. So, I'm very excited that we are implementing a [24:55] permanent ordinance. Um, I do think um adjusting ADA ratios is really important [25:00] for this project. If the city if private developers are going to be uh providing [25:05] less parking which is an intended outcome and hope hopeful outcome for [25:09] this ordinance um many other peer cities have implemented higher than federal [25:15] minimum ratios for ADA parking and I think that's something that's important [25:18] to consider um for this ordinance um on the parking reform. I do just want to [25:23] say that this it's great it should happen. It's time. Um the sky has not [25:26] fallen in the last year since we've had two interim ordinances and now [25:30] conveniently it's required by state law that we do it. Um on bike parking I do [25:35] have concerns with some of the ratios. I want to give some examples of what these [25:39] uh staff proposed ratios would look like. Um for the multi- family [25:43] short-term parking a 50bedroom building would require two URAKs [25:48] for a in theory up to 100 residents. a 120 bedroomedroom multif family building [25:54] would require three URAKs. Um those are not sufficient by five years ago [25:59] standards and and I personally and based on our comp plan and our multimotal [26:04] plans don't think that's sufficient for 20 30 or 40 years out into the future [26:07] which is the expected lif span for these buildings. Um, on retail eating [26:12] establishments, a 300 person restaurant like Texas Roadhouse, which was just [26:16] constructed with uh 8,000 square feet of dining space would require two long-term [26:22] spaces and two U racks for 300 seats in a restaurant. Those are really low [26:26] ratios, and I think those deserve a little more um thought. Um, the last [26:32] example I'll give is the Boardmill Block Hotel. Uh, 106bedroom hotel with 60,000 [26:37] square ft would require three U racks for a 106 per bed 106 room hotel room. [26:45] Um, uh, the we came in on many of these, as [26:51] you'll see in the staff memo, about the middle of the range between the [26:53] precedent between some of the studies in Seattle and Portland. Um, I think we've [26:57] set really lofty goals for Bellingham in our multimotal plans and in our comp [27:01] plan. We've set 7% mode shift goals and 10% mode shift goals several years out. [27:05] Those are ambitious and I don't think I think it we should be setting ratios [27:10] that match what we think are what we are aiming for for our mode shift goals and [27:15] not limiting ourselves to what Seattle has now, what Portland set seven years [27:19] ago and what some nationwide metrics um suggest and really looking at where we [27:25] should land on our mode shift goals. And um if you look at those ratios, even if [27:31] you're not getting 7% of, you know, if you were to look at u uh the restaurant, [27:37] uh seven 10% of of the seats at Texas Roadhouse would be 30 or would be 30 [27:42] bike racks. 15 bike racks that have two spaces each. I'm not even suggesting a [27:47] ratio that high, but more than three bike racks seems appropriate for a 300 [27:52] seat restaurant. Um uh and the last thing I'll say is that [27:57] in community surveys in Bellingham, the lack of secure bike parking is the [28:00] number one issue that folks raise when asked what [28:04] prevents them from traveling by bike more often. Thank you. [28:20] Alex Mlan. um in Happy Valley. Um [28:26] so uh when these proposals to to uh do parking reform [28:32] first arose, I was concerned because I was the uh previous president of Happy [28:37] Valley Neighborhood Association for 8 years. And one of the key things that uh [28:42] we were working on was trying to get trails and multimodal infrastructure and [28:48] uh sidewalks. Uh, Happy Valley is one of the largest neighborhoods in Bellingham. [28:55] It's uh, one of the densest. Uh, you can, you guys probably know the metrics [29:00] better than anybody. You've got that awesome uh, tool on the uh, planning [29:06] page now where you can actually scroll across and see how the population of [29:10] neighborhoods and how many uh, multifamily units etc. But we are also a [29:16] neighborhood that is notoriously uh underserved for infrastructure. Um [29:22] public works has acknowledged that we have the largest number of missing uh [29:29] pieces of sidewalk and crosswalks and you know hawk lights and um trail [29:34] connections etc. And uh beyond that uh Happy Valley is a [29:41] prime target for um kind of low entry density. There's a lot of college [29:47] students. There's not, you know, any historical landmarks. There's no areas [29:52] where developers are like, "Oh, you know, it's going to be a pain to to do [29:56] stuff here." So, we have seen proposals um [30:01] kind of dive in. And uh I was kind of disappointed because uh both staff and [30:08] uh the Watcom Housing Alliance had said, "Well, you know, developers will never [30:14] propose anything with zero parking spaces." Like that's that's going to [30:19] screw them up. It's going to screw their renters up. And we have had two [30:24] proposals with exactly zero parking spaces provided off street. We have a [30:31] third uh project. So those both of those are 20. One's 20 units and the other's [30:36] 25. Uh then there's a 45 unit proposal that is providing seven off- streetet [30:43] spots. Happy Valley doesn't have sidewalks. We [30:48] do not have ways for people to scoot around and get to retail and to get to [30:53] the college and to do uh you know easy commutes by bike. We need the [30:58] infrastructure first if we're going to get more density. And in this [31:03] neighborhood where uh you know, we have tried mightily. The two trail [31:08] connections that have occurred in the last 10 years have been because citizens [31:13] have built them. I actually had to sign a maintenance contract in order to get [31:18] public works to agree to allow us to build these trails. Um it's ridiculous. [31:24] I mean, the the communication, the amount of unnecessary conflict to [31:30] get really simple projects done in Happy Valley has been super frustrating. Um, [31:37] and yeah, I mean, little things like uh you're mentioning with the bike racks. [31:44] I'm not agnostic about bike racks, but you know, you can put 50 bike racks on a [31:49] building and if nobody can ride to get where they want to go, it's not going to [31:54] do any good. I mean, I I built nine bike racks for downtown. And uh even though I [32:02] have a really fancy bike, I don't ride it very much. And there's a reason for [32:06] that. So, I I would prefer if we had some guard rails up where it's like, [32:12] look at these neighborhoods. Are we getting more density in neighborhoods [32:16] that are already underserved? Maybe you pump the brakes on that [32:20] because those permits are going to sit there until the economy turns around and [32:24] then we're going to still have the same underlying issue and it's going to get [32:29] dangerous. So, thank you. Thank you for your time. [32:33] » Thank you. [32:37] Is there anyone on Zoom? [32:45] » Hello. Um, my name is Miles and I'm comment I'm a resident of the Cordata [32:50] neighborhood. I would like to first state my strong support for the for the [32:57] repeal of parking minimums for cars. Um the I live near the guide and um there's [33:05] too many parking spaces around around there. There don't need to be that many [33:09] parking spaces. So I'm it's good to see that changing and especially because [33:13] that makes housing easier to build which we need right now. Um inclined to agree [33:20] with Jamon on the short-term requirements. Consider increasing those [33:28] in Um because um again hopefully these [33:34] regulations will remain intact for decades. Um when I first saw the [33:38] long-term bike parking minimums, they seemed a bit high to me, but then I [33:43] thought about it. If public works does their job, they won't seem so high 20 [33:47] years from now. So strongly support those. Um, in line with the previous [33:52] commenter, um, I will say removing parking minimums does mean this means [33:57] that public works needs to make sure that they are being ambitious in [34:02] supporting safe streets projects to make sure people have these alternatives to [34:06] driving because um because this supports a move to that and [34:12] we need coordination on that. But yes, support I support this. Let's move [34:17] forward on this. Let's make that housing easier to build. Let's streamline the [34:22] municipal code. Let's make this happen. Thank you. [34:32] » Hi, my name is Jordan Sharer. I'm actually currently looking for a house [34:37] in Bellingham. I don't live here yet, but um I would like to state my emphatic [34:43] support for reducing or eliminating parking minimums altogether and also for [34:49] increasing bike infrastructure as that came up too. Um I don't like driving. [34:56] That's and I would like a cheaper house and with fewer parking minimums, houses [35:02] are cheaper. That's it. >> Thank you. [35:19] All right, I think that's it for the public comments. [35:24] Guess we can switch over to our discussion of the item. [35:31] What's everybody thinking? [35:38] Um, I can kick things off. Um, I particularly like so long-term bike [35:43] storage is like for residents like in inside the building like a locking door. [35:49] I think I like the security language around [35:53] that like the language around security and lighting and distance from the door [35:57] and all that. I think it's really important. Um, I have had numerous [36:01] multiple bikes stolen from long-term bike storage in downtown Bellingham. Um, [36:06] and the security is really, really important. Um, on the short-term [36:11] storage, I'm curious what the difference is between like the city putting in two [36:16] URAKs in front of a building in urban village or downtown, which I believe we [36:21] kind of proactively do. And so if you have a new multif family residential [36:27] building going in on a block downtown, is the aim of the short-term bike [36:32] parking requirement to like have the developer pay for those two [36:38] URAs, three URx, whatever. Um, and then is that basic does that become a public [36:44] amenity? And because I'm wondering like who fixes it when it gets damaged? [36:50] Uh, like if the city puts in two U-Racks and a delivery truck backs over one of [36:55] them, does it get replaced? If the prop building owner puts it in, like does it [36:59] become a city-maintained bike rack or is it just something that's going to get [37:02] knock could get knocked over and disappear? [37:09] Um I believe my understanding is that if it's required as part of a development, [37:14] it's the responsibility of the um developer to install and I would also [37:18] assume maintain. But um we also have yeah separate um program um that we [37:26] definitely want to promote more uh which is if you know business um doesn't have [37:31] adequate short-term bike parking, they can make a request to the city to [37:35] install that. Um, but I don't think there's anything that would preclude, [37:40] you know, a multif family buildings, short-term spaces that are in front of [37:44] that building in an urban village to be used by anyone. But the intention is [37:49] just that they're ensuring that based on the um number of bedrooms um or studios [37:55] that they are providing an adequate um number of racks or stalls for bikes to [38:01] begin with. Do you anticipate a lot of needing that [38:06] requirement happening in the public rightway? I guess I'm hoping we don't [38:10] create like if someone wanted to build a a theater downtown or new residential [38:15] multif family downtown, can they accomplish the rack [38:19] requirements in the public rightway or do they need to do a setback [38:24] to get it, you know, near the front door in the public in the in the lot of their [38:30] development? Um, I believe it can be provided in the [38:35] public right away. Um, I don't think it's I'm just looking at the specific [38:40] code. Um, how it was written before. [38:46] I can tell you just from past experience with the projects and stuff like that in [38:50] the downtown and other areas that those the bike racks are put in the rightway. [38:55] Um, because most buildings are built in the in those urban or those urban [39:00] settings. Most buildings are built to property lines. Um, and we have required [39:05] them to be in the public rightway. They just are reviewed to ensure that they're [39:09] u meeting ADA safety standards and such. And so there's adequacy for walking and [39:14] and things like that. >> Yeah. And that's specified in the [39:18] ordinance on lines 453 and 454 that it can be located within the public [39:24] rightway provided the location designer subject to public works department [39:28] approval. So that's been in our code. [39:39] » I had a question about parking. Uh we're talking a lot about new um projects and [39:46] that we don't have any requirements for parking for new buildings. Um but we [39:51] have a lot of existing buildings and existing parking lots. And if you have [39:56] someone who owns a building and has a parking lot, are these owners uh able to [40:03] say, "I want to remove my parking now because there is no requirement." [40:09] That was our intention um in the code is to make it clear that um because [40:15] [clears throat] there's no parking minimums that we would authorize removal [40:19] or modification of existing parking so long as it's still um complies with all [40:25] those design and accessibility standards. Um [40:29] so yeah, there's no variances, conditional use permits or um anything [40:34] like that required. Um it just would depend if there's some sort of specific [40:39] agreement like I mentioned the development agreements or the IMPPS [40:44] um or plan unit developments that are a bit of an exception to this. [40:51] I think one of the things that I'd add to that is that this is this is where [40:54] we've had this historic over supply of parking and you have so much of this [40:59] underutilized land out there and trying to make sure that we um efficiently use [41:04] our remaining land that that's one of the reasons that we we came forward with [41:07] this is and when we did a presentation in front of city council, one of the [41:11] pictures that we we like to show is the mall. The mall parking lot is massive. [41:16] There's so much parking out there. um you know maybe one or two days during [41:21] the year around Christmas time you see the relatively full but the rest of it [41:26] it's s it's empty and so it's it's that underutilized space um and so we really [41:31] wanted to make it clear that if you've got existing parking there and you want [41:36] to put a new unit in there you want to put an ADU you want to put something [41:40] else in there redevelop that this is a perfect opportunity to do that and you [41:44] don't have to maintain that parking that was required from long ago [41:51] question. So, just to understand the ADA part of it because it's kind of tricky. [41:56] Are we saying that if a developer voluntarily [42:01] uh puts in parking that triggers the ADA? Uh but if there is no parking, no [42:08] ADA spots are required. >> Yeah, that's correct. [42:12] » Okay. [42:18] And just to clarify that that's what existing code is now, right? So the way [42:22] that the building code is set up is it's based on the number that is provided, [42:26] not just an automatic number. [42:32] » And and maybe this is mostly anecdotal, but can you um speak to sort of the [42:38] comment that Alex McClean had where like what kind of projects how many projects [42:44] are we seeing that we would consider underparked or not providing any [42:49] parking? Um just trying to get a sense of um [42:53] how many developers are um maybe under imagining [43:01] what the need will be. [43:05] » Um yeah, I asked the current planners as as they're the ones who are reviewing [43:09] projects um and going um taking projects through pre-application discussion. Um [43:15] there have been a few outliers where there's no parking proposed. Um but we [43:21] haven't seen any actually go through the full permitting process or be developed. [43:25] So it's a little hard to know at that early stage is this just conceptual or [43:30] is this going to come to fruition. Um and obviously it really depends on the [43:36] context and location of where that those projects are being proposed. So, it's it [43:40] would look really different if you're in an area that's really walkable and [43:44] accessible to amenities or public transit versus if you're in in an area [43:48] where there's very little on street parking and you expect people to bring [43:52] cars. Um, so we have kind of yet to see the fruition of some of those proposals, [43:59] but that's my understanding. [44:03] I might have I believe I mentioned the last time we were here when we were kind [44:06] of introducing the the parking um our code currently allows for folks to ask [44:13] or seek waivers um for parking and that ranges between like 20 and 30% you can [44:19] seek a waiver and so the majority of the projects that we were seeing we had [44:23] waivers people were asking for waivers right um and that adds uncertainty to a [44:30] project when you're trying to design and develop hope they don't know if they're [44:33] going to get the approval for the waiver. Um, but what I've also when we [44:38] were kind of doing this research, we um reached out to some of the um the land [44:44] use consultants and and the developers and said, you know, hey, if we're going [44:47] to do this, what what do you what do you think you're going to do from a parking [44:51] perspective? And what we're seeing and what they said is no long they no longer [44:57] are having to seek that waiver and they're putting in about that about the [45:02] same amount. So what you know they were they were getting a waiver for 25% [45:07] um and that's about what they're putting in in most projects now. So but like [45:12] Anya said a lot of these things haven't been built yet. So we're not really sure [45:17] but we can anecdotally tell you what we've heard. [45:24] When you you say you seek the advice of commerce, who exactly is that? [45:30] » Uh so the department of commerce had been tasked with putting out some [45:34] guidance for interpreting and implementing um Senate Bill 5184 that [45:40] parking reform modern modernization act. Um so through my participation on um [45:47] sort of a task force um of various um people from different cities we had a [45:54] lot of conversations about um putting this guidance together and when they put [45:58] out the draft recommendations um we had the opportunity to comment and [46:04] ask questions and so I had a specific contact at the department of commerce [46:08] who was spearheading this specific guidance project. Um, so she was helping [46:14] with the interpretation of that um of the ADA parking was one of the questions [46:20] that I had. >> And then uh when we talked about [46:23] switching gears for bicycle parking and shortterm [46:27] uh and the the U's, we're talking about the upside down U's, is that when you [46:32] say one spot, is that one U that could accommodate two bikes, two different [46:37] bikes, >> right? Yeah, that would be two stalls [46:41] with a U rack. >> One U rack equals two two bicycle stalls [46:55] » and I didn't mention this in the presentation but one of the um intents [46:58] of the updates was also to have some more specific guidance um on dimensions [47:04] for bicycle parking spaces. So there's [clears throat] some there's a table of [47:09] minimum dimensions based on the configuration of the bicycle parking um [47:15] as well as some diagrams um that would show kind of the spacing [47:21] and hopefully help developers um understand [47:27] yeah making sure ex that the bike parking is also adequate to actually fit [47:31] the bikes. [47:39] Did you find when you were talking about the long-term bike um storage, is there [47:46] a specific verbiage that you found somewhere that said lighting and [47:52] » it's in there? Okay. >> Yeah. I was wondering about the long [47:57] term because it's a little bit more I don't know. It's it's covered. So, [48:01] you've got that aspect of it. And it I believe it doesn't say that it's allowed [48:04] to be in the ride ofway. Um, for those projects, I mean, in in a lot [48:11] of cases, you might just have like two parking spaces or it's not a huge number [48:15] in a lot of circumstances, but those would already be required in our urban [48:20] villages. Correct. Is that kind of where we've got that in our current zoning? [48:26] Yeah, we've had um bicycle parking requirements for short-term and [48:30] long-term bicycle parking and those have been um applicable to all urban [48:36] villages, but with the interim parking ordinance that then became applicable [48:41] citywide. >> So, I'm wondering for the long-term bike [48:45] storage, what are you seeing as like some of the typical solutions for that [48:49] since it does have to be more secure, more better lit, have cover? Um what's [48:54] kind of you know like do you know of of projects that you know let's just [48:58] suppose you've got two parking spaces are you seeing like just overhangs of [49:01] the roof or is it typically more of like a a standalone structure or is it just [49:06] really kind of run the gamut? >> Um I think it's typically been a wide [49:11] variety. Um what the change the ch one of the changes I was proposing in the [49:17] code has to do with um making sure that the space is restricted access lockable [49:23] um or an enclosure. Previously we had um it was a lighter touch. That was what [49:29] Portland's code had read that you could have an attendant or a security camera [49:33] for example. Um it has always required been required to be um protected from [49:40] the elements, protected from weather. So it has to be covered. But this change [49:46] would ensure just that there's some you know secure access and not just um a [49:51] cover with some monitoring. >> Yeah. So from the ordinance, it looks [49:58] like that the long-term is like if it's not residential, it's probably more [50:03] intended for people who work at the at the building, [50:08] » right? Yeah. The um purpose statement in the ordinance talks about the purpose of [50:12] long-term biking um or long-term bicycle parking being for employees, residents, [50:18] commuters, and others who stay at a site for longer than several hours. Um, so it [50:23] doesn't necessarily have to be um, yeah, residence. It could be. [50:28] » Yeah. I guess with the secure aspect of it, I'm wondering if you're not like [50:34] somehow like working there or something like it just seems like you it needs to [50:38] be secure. So it's not just you can't just go put your bike there. So I don't [50:43] really understand what would be, you know, typical process if you're like, [50:47] "Oh, I'm going to the library. I'm going to be here for six hours." You know, [50:49] like I need the secure parking. like what's what's that look like? How do we [50:53] keep it from being just like restricted and not used um by the people who who [50:58] might need it? Because it is going to be controlled, I would think, by the people [51:02] who who manage the buildings. >> For a typical residential, it's the [51:06] residence and there's a key like I've seen it. It's like a room in the parking [51:10] garage with the locking door. And for residents, it makes sense. You have a [51:13] key, it's the only people who live there. as you get into like a medical [51:17] office or theater, I guess it would only really benefit the employees and they [51:22] they would have a key or some other secure access. [51:25] » Um, and then the, you know, a guest of that business would be using the [51:29] short-term parking. >> Yeah, that's kind of what it seemed like [51:31] to me. I wasn't sure if there was some, you know, because of how it is written, [51:35] it just seemed like it's kind of written in such a way that it it almost sounds [51:38] like, you know, I'm going to be here for a while, so I need cover for my nice [51:43] bicycle. Um I mean I think the the the secure access means there's a key or a [51:48] code or some other you know secure access. So it sort of implies a [51:51] long-term relationship like employee or resident. [51:55] » So the terminology like long-term short-term maybe doesn't [52:00] » declinate it easily. >> Yeah I think that's generally correct. [52:05] It's, you know, kind of the distinguishing between visitors and [52:08] people who are um, you know, more established like employees or commuters [52:13] or residents at at a location. [52:27] So, um, with parking in areas like Cordata and the mall and places like [52:33] that, there's ample parking, you know, like you said, there's there's lots of [52:38] spaces and stuff, but um, how is this going to affect areas like, let's say, [52:42] Fair Haven where it's super congested and everything already, and I see a lot [52:47] of growth happening there. Um, how is it going to affect that? And has there been [52:53] any thought put into possibly doing like maybe another parking garage or [52:58] something somewhere similar to what they did on Mount Vernon that has um it's got [53:02] like 70 EV spots in it and some I think it's got like nine uh bike charging [53:09] stations. Um has there been any thought of something like that in areas that are [53:13] already congested? So we don't have any proposal for a new [53:19] infrastructure at this time to support um parking. It is all um yeah very [53:25] unique and elaborate science parking management and our public works [53:29] department does an excellent job kind of monitoring um through data parking usage [53:34] um utilization times of times of day um parking rate cost. So all of that um [53:42] kind of science goes into figuring out how to manage the public parking. Um as [53:48] far as the private parking um and kind of spill over, you know, we have some [53:52] residential parking zones. So those are adjacent to Western Washington [53:57] University. Um so that's one parking management tool. There's also our [54:03] parking management um parking management zones which are right [54:08] now just Fair Haven and downtown. Um gives the city authority to um either [54:13] provide timerestricted parking um limits on paid parking, parking garages, all of [54:20] that happens within those parking management zones. um and potentially [54:26] expanding those to other urban villages. Um and always kind of managing um yeah, [54:31] what our parking looks like over time as part of that parking management approach [54:36] that we currently do and will continue to do. Um [54:41] as well as with um kind of enforcement of parking residential areas that also [54:47] happens. Um so we have a lot of different tools to do that citywide. [54:53] I'll just add on a little bit to that. Um Blake Lion, director of planning [54:57] community development. The city did expand the paid parking areas in Fair [55:02] Haven to do exactly what Anya was talking about which to manage a slightly [55:06] broader perspective. But it also speaks a little bit to those mode shift goals, [55:12] you know, and trying to think about um opportunities and and [55:17] you know, if if there is a constrain resource, then maybe maybe somebody [55:21] makes an intentional choice to do something other than that. And so it [55:24] serves that purpose as well. [55:32] » I have a question. Anya, at the beginning of your presentation, [55:36] um, you brought up another six-month extension to study the parking. I [55:42] thought at the last meeting we had a motion and a second not to extend. [55:48] » Yeah, we talked about um moving. Yes, we talked about the goal of not extending [55:52] the interim parking ordinance and moving forward with the permanent regulations. [55:56] Um, and like I was mentioning in the presentation, the only reason we're [56:00] requesting an extension is to just allow for adequate time for this public review [56:06] process since the type six process um requires multiple public hearings with [56:12] planning commission as well as city council. if you were to have an [56:15] additional work session, if city council wanted, you know, several um [56:21] [clears throat] opportunities to talk about this topic further and wasn't [56:24] ready to vote. Um the time constraints are just pretty significant, too, with [56:29] how far out we have to notice some of those hearings. Um, so we just realized [56:34] in order to do um the process justice and not um yeah, rush through and make [56:42] sure we are checking off all the boxes, that's why we're asking for the [56:45] extension. But we don't expect it to take an additional six months. It's just [56:50] that's the standard um timeline for extending an interim ordinance. So it [56:56] gives us flexibility between when the interim expires at the end of July um [57:02] and when um yeah when we finalize those permanent [57:08] regulations so that there's not a basically like a gap where we have to [57:13] revert back to what was previously in code. that would have been more [57:17] challenging is to have the interim expire, have to go back to what was [57:23] previously in place and Anya mentioned a number of the state laws. So, we can't [57:28] really go all the way back to where it was and then to have this consideration. [57:33] So, extending that interim one more time gives us the bridge we need to get to [57:39] the permanent ordinance. So, we're not going to tow the full six months, but we [57:43] just needed that so it doesn't not bouncing all over the place. [57:46] Given where you're at right now, you think it's a few month [57:51] deadline, not a six month? >> As as Anya mentioned, I mean, this is [57:54] this is the start of the type six process. We've got the council timeline [58:01] already laid out, but we don't want to paint you or the council into a corner. [58:06] If you want time to talk more uh extensively about those things, we [58:11] wanted to make sure we had that opportunity for you to do that. [58:20] I think I was wondering just about ebikes and I see that we're putting like [58:25] 5% of the spaces that are in the larger projects where you'd have 20 long-term [58:32] bicycle parking spaces uh for electric sockets there. And [58:39] I'm just wondering like, you know, that seems like a kind of just a a number [58:44] that we just kind of pick out of a hat potentially. And you know, to me it [58:49] seems like that's getting pretty common, which then makes me wonder if you have a [58:54] development, you got 20 spaces, you got 5% of those 20 spaces for electrical, [59:01] then it I don't know, in in some ways it just seems almost like an inconvenience [59:05] to even have to provide any because you're only providing such a small [59:09] number. Um I don't know. I have a hard time with these things that are kind of [59:13] like we're providing just a little bit, but we're not really providing enough [59:16] for it to be more than just like one or two people. Um, by then increasing kind [59:22] of the complexity of any project of saying, "Oh, now I have to have one [59:27] giant parking space for a huge bike with a, you know, a a carrier in the front [59:33] and some electrical to this location that maybe I wasn't planning on putting [59:38] electrical." I know it's just like you can plan for stuff. you can design for [59:41] it. So, it's not like you can't make this work. But then I also kind of [59:44] wonder it's like what if you have two people with these big bikes, you know, [59:47] do they arm wrestle? Like how how does this work? So, I I have a hard time [59:52] sometimes with adding complexity to projects where I don't know that it's [59:55] really serving enough people. Um, so I I just curious what your thoughts are on [1:00:00] that. [1:00:04] » Um, yeah. Yeah. Well, the main impetus for this code change was um and this was [1:00:09] taken from um what Portland has in their code. Uh so good inspiration for how [1:00:16] they changed their code since 2019 um because of the acknowledgement of the [1:00:20] increased use of ebikes, cargo bikes, large bikes, things like that. So [1:00:27] um I mean this would only apply when you have at least 20 long-term bicycle [1:00:31] parking spaces. So I would also assume that the project is pretty um large that [1:00:37] it could accommodate some electrical that it's not um that it wouldn't be too [1:00:41] c too cumbersome because it wouldn't apply for some you know [snorts] a [1:00:45] project that had five stalls required but um [1:00:50] I think you know there's a lot to be seen for how [1:00:53] things move forward with the usage of cargo bikes ebikes and um things like [1:00:58] that but some consideration of it I think makes for a more accessible [1:01:05] um parking stall that or bicycle parking stall that accommodates more people and [1:01:11] of all abilities and ages and things like that too. So I think that's the [1:01:16] importance of it. Yeah, for me I just see it as kind of [1:01:19] being challenging to like feel like that it's not just like you got one person in [1:01:24] their hog in the one space, you know? It's like, dang it, Bill's always got [1:01:28] his bicycle there, you know, and I really need to charge and it just lives [1:01:31] there all the time. And it's like it's like, is it enough? You know, like in [1:01:35] some ways I feel like it might maybe should be more or not at all, you know? [1:01:39] It's like I don't know. It just seem it seems like kind of with the way that [1:01:43] we're going with that technology, it's it kind of seems low. [1:01:47] » I kind of akin it to um van stall spaces for ADA. So you right. [1:01:54] So so you have certain number of ADA spaces that have to have the additional [1:01:59] room to get out of those, but not all ADA spaces have to be. So we had to [1:02:04] start somewhere with this idea. We know that ebikes, we know that cargo bikes [1:02:08] and some of these largers are a smaller percentage of the bike fleet that's out [1:02:13] there. So, we felt like we wanted to take an attempt at accommodating those. [1:02:18] If the need grows and changes, we can certainly, you know, try to be adaptive. [1:02:22] But the idea was to accommodate what we anticipate right now and then monitor it [1:02:28] and see if we need to adjust moving forward. [1:02:33] on that point of monitoring like what is there a plan in place to monitor I think [1:02:38] both in terms of um parking in general um to see land use is slow and these [1:02:44] things take a long time um to see the impacts but is there a monitoring plan [1:02:50] in place so that we can evaluate the effectiveness of of the code changes [1:03:00] » um well as I mentioned with the parking management approaches that we looked at. [1:03:04] Um we've been in conversation citywide with other departments with leadership [1:03:09] about the importance of um continuing to implement those. So I think those um [1:03:16] parking management strategies really go handinhand with the permanent [1:03:19] regulations. But I do think it is important that we have future discussion [1:03:23] on not only the topics that I mentioned but also on um the impacts that we're [1:03:29] seeing uh with um vehicle parking with bicycle parking. We know that we have um [1:03:35] obviously a lot more code updates to do and especially as we consolidate um and [1:03:41] kind of restructure our code too. I'm sure there'll be future opportunities um [1:03:48] to make changes to um the proposed amendments that we have outlined today, [1:03:54] especially as some of the terminology even changes with, you know, our use of [1:03:58] single family or infill housing and all of what we tried to do was a code [1:04:03] cleanup without um kind of overhauling the whole code right now just to make [1:04:08] sure that we can get the permanent standards in place. Um, but I would say [1:04:13] that's kind of the next um the next step is making changes as [1:04:18] needed to the code and continuing to um implement all those parking management [1:04:24] approaches. >> I [clears throat] was thinking about the [1:04:27] um like the initial ADU codes and it was like after 200 units we're going to [1:04:33] re-evaluate and then that happened like way faster than we expected. Um, and [1:04:37] then like uh MFTTE is one where there was it was like evaluate as needed and [1:04:43] then it never got evaluated again. Um, so I'm wondering if there's any [1:04:50] any [clears throat] metrics to put in place that would make sense in terms of [1:04:53] like um to sort of ensure that monitoring is happening and that there's [1:04:58] a report that comes out so that it's um less just anecdotal people saying [1:05:04] like there's never any parking or um or my bike never fits in a spot. Um, so [1:05:10] just like curious if there's like anything we might explore in that area. [1:05:18] » I go back to what Anya said and what we've we've talked about this whole um [1:05:22] kind of process. It's a two-step process, right? And we want to get the [1:05:25] the minimums out there first and we need time to evaluate it. um we need projects [1:05:31] to go out there. And so that's always been our thought is let's not have this [1:05:37] two-year check-in because we don't know what's going to happen in two years. Are [1:05:40] we going to get enough development to actually be able to determine that or [1:05:43] you know is it should it be a one-year report? Well, we don't really know. So, [1:05:47] um I think knowing that parking management strategies is that next phase [1:05:52] and it's something that works handinhand with this. Um, I do believe that as more [1:05:59] projects are developed, um, and if they choose to put less parking in it, we're [1:06:05] going to hear about it, right? And so the people will be calling us if they [1:06:10] don't have parking. I mean, we still we get calls right now, I can't park in [1:06:15] front of my house. Um, [laughter] so, um, I I think that knowing that this [1:06:21] is a two-step phase, knowing that we need to have examples in place and in [1:06:27] the construction climate right now, um, things are slowing down a little bit, [1:06:31] right? Um, it's it may take more than two years. It may take three or five [1:06:36] years for us to have enough data to be able to see what the true impacts are. [1:06:41] Um, but it's something that I think we're committed to. Um, and codes are [1:06:47] they're dynamic. They don't have to be um they're forever. They take a little [1:06:52] they take a long time to change, but um they can change. I think it's also [1:06:58] important to allow for some level setting on some of [1:07:03] this stuff where you know you have a people uh inherently are creatures of [1:07:09] habit and we have our things that we like and a new project may come online [1:07:15] and disrupt that pattern or that behavior and all of a sudden you have to [1:07:21] establish a new normal. And so we we don't want to be so reactionary that [1:07:27] we're always trying to chase our tail around some of this stuff, but we do [1:07:31] want to we want to be responsive. We want to understand that kind of stuff. [1:07:34] Um, you know, some of us that have worked in other jurisdictions, myself [1:07:37] included, you know, have gone through big pendulum swings when it comes to [1:07:42] some of this parking stuff. And I think, you know, giving our ch ourselves the [1:07:46] chance to kind of think through what those are, see new projects come online, [1:07:50] let things normalize a little bit, hopefully continue to encourage that [1:07:53] mode shift and drive some of those, you know, kind of alternative choices and [1:07:57] behaviors will help us give a much more comprehensive look at the the issue. [1:08:04] Well, personally, it would be great to have [1:08:09] some data on like what is working and what is not. Um, so like if you're going [1:08:15] into a project and in a certain, you know, that's very neighborhood [1:08:19] dependent, but is how do I make sure our home buyers don't [1:08:24] have fist fights in the parking lot? [laughter] [1:08:28] Um and and I think the like parking management strategies is like a key [1:08:34] piece to that obviously. Um, but also like right sizing and um if developers [1:08:42] you we I like to think that they're all so smart that they're going to do the [1:08:46] right thing and do it perfectly, but like um how how can the city help to um [1:08:52] provide that the data resource for projects to to try and right size? [1:09:04] Well, as Ana mentioned, we we do do it for downtown and for Fair Haven. So, we [1:09:08] definitely have, you know, we're going back in and we're checking that. So, [1:09:11] from those perspectives, we do have data that can show um what our parking usage [1:09:16] is down there. Um and we have expanded our paid parking areas and our time [1:09:21] limited parking in response to those studies. So, there is information out on [1:09:25] those two areas. Um maybe >> there's conversation with our public [1:09:29] works department as Ana was alluding to looking at that extending out to the [1:09:33] different urban villages um and understanding. So I think we're building [1:09:37] that level of matrix that you're looking for um if there's areas of key concern. [1:09:43] I mean that was part of why uh we we took the direction of with the [1:09:47] institutional master plans because we knew those campuses had a more acute uh [1:09:53] demand for that. And so the thought was okay instead of just abolishing it [1:09:57] entirely, let's let that process when we go in and amend those institutional [1:10:01] plans, we can talk very intentionally and very specifically about those [1:10:05] particular topics. And so it's just be I I personally believe it's about being [1:10:10] intentional about some of this. It's helping people understand and create new [1:10:13] habits and then being intentional when we get to the point where we're doing [1:10:17] our analysis and driving it off real data. [1:10:26] What did you mean in your presentation when you said uh when it said repealing [1:10:29] the Fair Haven Parking District? [1:10:34] Um, so Kirk can probably talk about this a little bit more, but the Fair Haven [1:10:38] Parking District um is codified in um the Fair Haven urban [1:10:47] village code section, which I don't know off the top of my head, but there's a [1:10:50] map um and basically talks about the resolution that established that parking [1:10:54] district in which um people um yeah, funds were pulled um in order to help [1:11:04] support the creation of parking. But now that we no longer have any parking [1:11:09] requirements in Fair Haven um or minimum number of parking stalls um that [1:11:15] wouldn't be relevant anymore. Um so the intent is to repeal that with this [1:11:21] ordinance. [1:11:33] just from a functional way it works if and I you guys don't live in the code [1:11:38] the way we do but um you can go throughout our Bellingham municipal code [1:11:44] and you will see sections in there and it still has the numerical and then next [1:11:48] to it it says repealed. So this is not an uncommon practice as as these codes [1:11:54] evolve over the course of time. There are sections that when originally [1:11:59] written are no longer relevant and so we pull back on that stuff quite quickly. [1:12:03] » Yeah. I just didn't know there were funds collected for a special fair haven [1:12:07] parking district. >> Yeah. So, back in the early 90s is when [1:12:12] the first district was created, and it was um it was essentially the the [1:12:16] business owners getting together and um pooling some funds to pay for parking [1:12:21] upfront. Um and then when those property owners that had paid into that fund to [1:12:28] create that early parking, they received the benefit of not having to pay to [1:12:32] provide parking for their commercial developments. Um and so the our code has [1:12:37] allowed the creation of parking districts ever since then and the only [1:12:41] two that we really have been in Fair Haven. Um and the first one was really [1:12:46] to try and stimulate extra on street parking the creation of it. And the [1:12:51] business owners took it upon themselves to go ahead and do that. And the [1:12:54] trade-off was if you're going to create that extra parking, we're not going to [1:12:58] we're not going to make you put more parking in again. [1:13:01] » Yeah, >> that makes sense. Overall, this is just [1:13:05] a comment. I like you guys are taking the progressive approach um with parking [1:13:11] and it's all in direction of the the major goal which is more affordable [1:13:16] housing. And I realized that by adopting this, [1:13:21] it's not a one-sizefits-all. the guy that came uh Alex from uh Happy [1:13:27] Valley. I mean, when this gets adopted and those [1:13:32] developments get approved and it's most likely student housing and more people, [1:13:38] more cars on the street and Happy Valley has narrow streets and um ditches, no [1:13:44] sidewalks, it's going to be a mess. So, I'm sensitive to that that, you know, [1:13:50] it's it's for the good of the community and and to be able to push to uh provide [1:13:56] more affordable housing for people because that's what everybody's saying [1:14:00] they want, but it's going to negatively affect the neighborhoods. [1:14:05] One of the things we haven't really talked about extensively this evening, [1:14:08] but when you talk about the infill and and the middle housing approach, [1:14:13] um much of the frontage improvements are triggered as a result of that new [1:14:18] development. And so we've been spending uh what seems like an exhaustive amount [1:14:23] of time talking about those different requirements for uh improving that [1:14:29] frontage, making that walkability, making that connection. So, you're [1:14:32] right. There are certain neighborhoods throughout the city where there's a [1:14:38] little more work to be done. Uh, the roadside ditches are probably the most [1:14:42] um impactful piece for Happy Valley because you can't, you know, you're [1:14:48] going to have to think through storm water. You're going to have to think [1:14:50] through uh sidewalk creation. So, there's a maybe a bigger swing of the [1:14:55] pendulum that needs to occur there. But that's a conversation that we continue [1:15:00] to have very routinely with our public works folks f folks and with uh [1:15:05] developers as new projects come on board. Part of what's going into [1:15:08] consideration is um you know right now as it sits is there's a requirement to [1:15:14] do your own frontage in front of your particular project. Um as infill occurs [1:15:20] it's often a patchwork quilt. You know it's like here and there and a little [1:15:24] bit of all over the place. And so there's a discussion about what what [1:15:28] does that take to connect those pieces and not just end up with little [1:15:32] segments. And some of that may be public works projects. Some of that may be just [1:15:36] looking at stuff a little closer, but it's being intentional about and we were [1:15:41] just recently adopting the pros plan and looking at trail connections and all [1:15:45] these kind of different corridors. So it's really kind of a yes and approach [1:15:48] where we have to look at a lot of things and start to weave that all together. [1:15:53] Parking is one of those. uh and certainly helps facilitate that growth [1:15:57] and that growth will then result in more sidewalks and more walkability and [1:16:01] additional trails. And so it hopefully will all, you know, we're in that kind [1:16:05] of we always talk about it in that kind of early teen phase where we're feeling [1:16:09] a little awkward in our own skin, you know, and we've got to get a little bit [1:16:13] more critical mass and get a few of those connections really pulled [1:16:16] together, but that comes with the course time. Is there conversation uh in [1:16:21] planning? If a developer uh was looking and say he is development took up a [1:16:26] quarter block and he was responsible for improving his own frontage, would you [1:16:30] require then uh to say well you need to put sidewalks in all the way around the [1:16:35] block? Is it past the development property? [1:16:39] » Um it is the frontage for that particular property. there is a uh [1:16:46] discussion where if there is some environmental analysis, some sea [1:16:50] analysis that goes along with that, there's an opportunity to talk about [1:16:54] whether or not there's a need, but we have to have what's considered um a [1:17:00] nexus to ask for it. And we also have to have what's called rough [1:17:04] proportionality, which means it has to be commensurate with the size of the [1:17:08] project. I can't come in and say, "Hey, you're building an 8-unit project. I [1:17:12] need you to rebuild the I-5 interchange. Yeah. [1:17:14] » You know, so there has to be that kind of nexus where you're you're making sure [1:17:19] that it's corresponding to what the scope and the scale of the project is. [1:17:23] So yes, there are opportunities to do that. I don't want to mislead you. It's [1:17:27] not on every project. It's on certain projects that have impacts that we have [1:17:31] to look at a little bit. >> That's good. Thank you. [1:17:37] » I guess just a quick comment. I feel like um when we discussed this and I [1:17:43] don't know when was that May when we talked about this um previously answered [1:17:48] most of my questions. So um I think I just wanted to express support [1:17:53] for for this moving forward and appreciation for for all the work that [1:17:57] you've done. I don't know what the amendment process looks like. I wasn't [1:18:04] going to say this at all, but then actually um your comments about um code [1:18:09] taking a long time to change made me think, oh, maybe I should say this now. [1:18:13] Um but I I do think um that the the retail and the eating and drinking [1:18:20] establishments, the short-term biking requirements are a little low. like I [1:18:24] feel like I I bike everywhere and then I do already struggle to find places to [1:18:30] lock up, you know, outside of a brewery or in other locations now. So, if we are [1:18:35] expecting the the mode shift, that piece does feel a little low to me in ways [1:18:40] that maybe the other ones don't. Um, and I wasn't going to say anything cuz I [1:18:46] largely support all this moving forward expeditiously and that feels rather [1:18:50] small, but um, I'm not sure if we wanted to revisit the specific numbers and [1:18:56] taking it into consideration public comment and stuff. Does that derail us [1:19:01] taking this to city council and like what does those small tweaks kind of [1:19:06] process look like? >> Well, the commission has the ability to [1:19:09] make amendments to the codes tonight. So you could make a motion to amend and [1:19:14] give a spec specific number and then if the commission, you know, had a second [1:19:18] and then chose to amend that, then that would just go forward. So you have the [1:19:23] ability to make a motions and make changes as we move it forward instead of [1:19:28] coming back at a later time. You can do it tonight. [1:19:33] that amendment to up the I mean it's a pretty cheap requirement [1:19:38] to require a few extra use for short-term bicycle parking [1:19:44] » just to provide a little more comment on that. So, um, for context, we previously [1:19:49] had retail sales and service as one category. Um, and so the proposal is to [1:19:56] now separate eating and drinking establishments, which includes grocery, [1:20:01] to split that off from retail, sales, and service because in my um research of [1:20:06] what other jurisdictions have done and other best practices, those are often [1:20:10] separated. Um, in order to also increase eating and drinking establishments and [1:20:17] grocery, um, we recommend a one per 2,000 square foot ratio rather than a [1:20:23] one per 5,000 which it was previously um, which was consistent with yeah some [1:20:30] of the the guide um, the APBP and the BSA guide um, and change lab. So kind of [1:20:38] it seems like the numbers that I found hovered between like 1 and 2,000. Um so [1:20:43] that could obviously be increased if that was the desire. And the retail [1:20:47] sales didn't propose a change there because um because of the numbers being [1:20:54] pretty in line with the range um but also the range I found was like one [1:21:00] stall for 2,000 to 5,000. So, um [1:21:07] » I would just offer like you could make a motion to amend with concrete numbers [1:21:12] tonight or you could make a motion to like have staff research increasing [1:21:16] these and then they could bring that new direction to the city level [1:21:22] if you didn't have like exact figures in mind. [1:21:24] » You knew my next concern. Oh, no. I didn't count the number. [laughter] [1:21:28] No, Anna, super helpful how you laid this out showing what Seattle and [1:21:32] Portland's and then some of the national guides recommendations are for for [1:21:36] grounding and and context. So, um I think you've clearly done a lot of [1:21:41] research of of what is comparable and why did you arrive at um at these [1:21:46] numbers. I think maybe if I were to propose something, it would just be [1:21:49] going to the, you know, closer to Seattle or Portland's, which seem to be [1:21:55] a little um more dense. I'm sorry, I'm not thinking [1:21:59] of the right word, but more bikes per per square foot um or storage than the [1:22:04] than the national guides. Um so, I think maybe if I were to propose a motion [1:22:09] tonight, it would it would just be adopting one of those. That doesn't seem [1:22:13] that far. I don't know. Should I [laughter] [1:22:15] » should we do this? Um, so then would that just be for the [1:22:20] two for the retail sales and the eating and and drinking establishments? [1:22:27] What do what do others think? >> Retail's currently at one per 5,000 and [1:22:34] eating and drinking is one per 2,000 square feet. [1:22:39] » Or a minimum of two. Yeah. >> Yeah. [1:22:40] » And you were just talking about short term, was that correct? [1:22:43] » Yeah. per our conversation earlier, I feel like maybe the the long term is in [1:22:50] line with what the the other and the guides are saying is appropriate for [1:22:55] kind of the and they've obviously done way more analysis than I have on the [1:23:00] employee consideration. So, yeah, thinking more on the short term. If [1:23:04] people want to eat and drink at those establishments, they're, you know, [1:23:07] rolling up on their bike for a couple hours, [1:23:11] I think. Yeah. Um, [1:23:15] does anyone else have anything to say while I think about this for a second? [1:23:19] » No, I support it [clears throat] though. I think make the motion. [1:23:23] » Okay. So then if I were to do um to take Seattle's so then [1:23:30] that would for the eating and drinking establishments and grocery [1:23:35] that would move from the recommended one per 2,000 square foot to one per 1,000 [1:23:42] square foot. And then the [1:23:46] um the retail sales [1:23:51] um would move um from one per 5,000 square foot to one [1:23:58] per 2,000 square foot if we took Seattle's [1:24:03] for both of those two categories. So I guess yeah. Okay. is a motion to [1:24:10] amend the retail sales and service and the eating and drinking establishments [1:24:15] and grocery to adopt um the Seattle's um short-term spaces [1:24:25] numbers. [laughter] >> Would you like that citywide or just [1:24:29] urban villages or what's your do you have any thoughts on that? [1:24:36] question [1:24:39] weigh you have a thought >> I guess [1:24:42] » no I just wanted to make I I'm just thinking about our levels of density and [1:24:46] urbanity are still different than Seattle's at this point and so I wasn't [1:24:51] sure if that was my question for clarification if you were particularly [1:24:55] thinking about you know downtown waterfront urban villages um where you [1:25:01] have that higher uh walkability context or you know um because it may not be as [1:25:10] broadly applicable if you're talking about you know uh let's say sunset uh [1:25:15] square out you know out that way but >> this is the exact issue that I've been [1:25:21] struggling with in my head thinking about this is I love the idea of very [1:25:26] universal like one city and at the same and also like build it and they will [1:25:33] come attitude ude. Uh, and then at the same time, [1:25:38] I know there are areas where biking [clears throat] is very unfriendly and [1:25:42] people aren't going to do it. And if you put in those racks, they're just going [1:25:45] to sit there. It's not because there aren't bike racks that people aren't [1:25:49] biking. Um, so I'm I struggle with that with the context that it goes in. [1:26:00] I mean, the conversation of um Texas Roadhouse, you know, it's kind of like [1:26:04] it's it's a great idea to have lots of parking, bike parking out there, but is [1:26:08] that a spot where people are actually riding bikes? And so that, you know, [1:26:12] kind of gets into like our our biggest demand and largest some of our largest [1:26:16] spaces are going to be in locations where there's maybe less cyclists. But [1:26:23] at the same time, I feel like that we are, you know, we've got ebikes, we've [1:26:27] got all these things that are making biking even easier for more people to [1:26:31] get around and use that as a mode of transportation. That makes me kind of [1:26:35] want to shift towards like being outward looking and saying, "Well, if we do it, [1:26:39] then maybe we're on the cusp of kind of a a broader change and more people could [1:26:44] do it. If it it's kind of like if they build it, will they come?" Um, and it's [1:26:49] like, yeah, a lot of us probably wouldn't do it because we, you know, we [1:26:53] just don't think it's an option in some ways. So, it's like I I probably support [1:26:58] something that's pushing a little bit further because I don't I mean, I draw [1:27:02] these things and and you know, that's like part of what I do is like try to [1:27:06] figure out where to put these things on a project and it's like if you know [1:27:09] upfront and it's not a huge cost, it's not that big of a deal. Um, and it's [1:27:13] just spy rack, you know? It's like it's you can probably you can probably figure [1:27:17] it out. It's not going to like ruin the project. Um I I'll after this I'll [1:27:23] probably get into something that where I'm trying to get rid of something on [1:27:26] there, you know, but um for that I feel like it's kind of an easy lift. [1:27:30] » So for Texas Roadhouse there's like a 100 spare parking spots you could turn [1:27:34] into bike racks and there's no limiting factor there. My worry is again that the [1:27:39] downtown zero lot line and I just looked up on city IQ if my math is right. You [1:27:44] take like the new Limelight or Red Light or the Grand A right there on that [1:27:49] street. They're about 6,000 square feet buildings, usually one story. [1:27:54] The new proposal would be six bike racks at a drinking eating establishment. [1:28:00] 6,000 square feet. You could probably fit that on the sidewalk. [1:28:05] Is it six bikes and three racks? Okay. I've been [laughter] [1:28:09] » You could also fit it where a parkless is. You could fit it in one parking [1:28:13] spot. >> Well, three U rack seems great, [1:28:15] actually. So, >> I will I will [1:28:18] I did try to install a U bike rack into a parking spot and uh it doesn't stay [1:28:25] like people can just He-Man it right out of the out of the asphalt. Turns out, [1:28:30] didn't know that was possible, but it's true. [1:28:32] » They probably [laughter] bumped into it. It's [1:28:34] » no >> and this is not a universal statement, [1:28:37] but I would, you know, uh if you can envision in your mind the Mount Baker [1:28:42] Theater, right? And uh you've got the building that's all the way to the back [1:28:46] of sidewalk. You've got sidewalk. There are street lights. Often times the bike [1:28:52] racks can go in line with the street lights and other, you know, you know, [1:28:58] street trees and other things that are there. so you're not disrupting the kind [1:29:03] of pedestrian walkway experience and you can find opportunities. Um, oftentimes [1:29:08] there's parking meters in those areas and things like that. So, yes, there is [1:29:12] a competition for space, but if you think about the way that those racks are [1:29:18] installed and at, you know, at what position, you can often times get them [1:29:23] kind of in line with some of that other street furniture, if you will. [1:29:27] uh you know again still going to be competing for space but but there's [1:29:30] plenty of opportunities to do that in a kind of down in the downtown [1:29:33] environment. >> I guess in light of this conversation [1:29:37] and kind of the build it and they'll come mentality in addition to maybe [1:29:41] reducing administrative complexity since all of these others apply everywhere. Um [1:29:47] and given the low cost of installing this infrastructure, I guess I would say [1:29:52] to your question like um like a universal [1:29:55] » city >> citywide application [1:29:58] » and in large part our grocery stores are not as concentrated in urban villages. [1:30:04] So I mean you think about trying to ride to Trader Joe's as an example or one of [1:30:09] the you know the co-op that's out in Cordata, [1:30:12] you know that this would align with that line of thinking. [1:30:17] Just for clarification, I think we had a motion, but did we do we have a second? [1:30:23] » I second it for Okay, >> there's a motion for city one. [1:30:27] » Okay, we have a motion, a second. And do you all feel good about recording this [1:30:32] for what we've actually put out there? Okay. Okay. I guess uh yeah, let's take [1:30:36] a vote. Um so all >> I'm going to just re restate it. [1:30:42] » Let me that way I think we understand it. So there's uh the motion was to [1:30:48] change the retail sales and service uh category to one per two one per 2,000 [1:30:56] square ft and the eating and drinking establishment and groceries all to one [1:31:01] per 1,000 square feet citywide. Those were the two categories and those [1:31:08] that's both based off of these Seattle numbers that [1:31:11] » are provided on page 10. >> Yep. Exhibit B. [1:31:15] » Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? [1:31:22] » Is there any facility for a variance if a weird situation comes up that this is [1:31:28] impeding some part of the feasibility of the plan? We've had that for parking [1:31:33] requirements for a long time. We're sort of getting rid of parking requirements [1:31:36] and suddenly upping the the bike requirements. If we find ourselves [1:31:40] stuck, do you have the power to grant a variance? Um we did build that into the [1:31:46] code an administrative waiver um based on physical site constraints which would [1:31:53] prevent full compliance with the standards if there's no feasible [1:31:56] alternative location um within a reasonable walking distance or if um [1:32:03] alternative short-term or long-term biccope parking can be provided within a [1:32:07] reasonable walking distance that provides sufficient capacity um to meet [1:32:11] the demand generated by the use. Um, so there is that flexibility um for the [1:32:18] director to make some modifications. And I guess it should also just be noted [1:32:24] that the in thinking about the applicability of the bike parking, we [1:32:28] did want to be mindful of like change of use situations for existing buildings. [1:32:33] So, we tried to limit the bike parking applying for new construction or if [1:32:38] there's an addition to an existing building that's more than 25% of the [1:32:42] gross floor area, if you're c creating new dwelling units. Um, or if there's a [1:32:48] change of use that would result in increased bike parking demand of more [1:32:52] than 50%. Um so just trying to be mindful except especially for our urban [1:32:58] villages where things are really tight and um you know it's harder to in yeah [1:33:05] provide all that bike parking if it's already well established and a building [1:33:10] is constructed. That makes me really a lot more [1:33:14] comfortable with this change. >> I feel like we're moving in the right [1:33:18] direction. We're taking away the need for parking waiverss and implementing [1:33:21] bike wavers. [laughter] All [1:33:25] » [snorts] [1:33:27] » right, everybody ready to vote? Okay, if you're in favor, I [1:33:33] » I >> I [1:33:34] » I. Anyone opposed? [1:33:39] » All right. Thanks. Motion >> for one other thought just on the line [1:33:43] of what you were saying. I wanted you to vote first, but um the city also is [1:33:48] looking at reducing the speed tables across the city too. So that's going to [1:33:55] by default help to not only I mean I know the the [1:34:00] one question that comes up oftentimes is well how effective is that going to be [1:34:04] if you don't have enforcement tools but what it also does is it allows u the [1:34:09] city traffic engineering staff to think about roadway designs to design for [1:34:15] slower speeds too. So hopefully all of this again that you know duplicative [1:34:20] approach allows for people to feel more comfortable, more confident in riding in [1:34:24] more parts of the city especially when they don't feel like they're up against [1:34:29] the conflict of a speeding vehicle. in that regards all moving in the right [1:34:33] direction. [1:34:40] » I'm wanting to talk I guess a little bit about the large bikes and partially it's [1:34:45] I'm just trying to understand really where you're like what are the projects [1:34:50] that are going to have enough parking that are like that we would potentially [1:34:56] see on the horizon that would trigger that. And so I was just like looking [1:34:59] through all the lists of what we have here and it's like I know we're not [1:35:03] getting like a bunch of giant factories coming into Bellingham, but maybe maybe [1:35:07] we will. Um so then I'm like thinking like okay industrial might be one of [1:35:12] those where you know you get a a pretty large factory and all of a sudden you've [1:35:16] got long-term large bike parking. And so I'm like wondering is is that [1:35:21] applicable? I mean multif family seems like the one that's probably going to [1:35:25] trigger it the most. I mean, that's going to be kind of like that's the main [1:35:28] one. And I think that kind of makes sense, you know, and I guess Rose, you [1:35:32] probably deal with more multif family than most people. So, it's like I'd be [1:35:36] curious if you have any thoughts on like, you know, like I honestly don't [1:35:40] know a lot about these large bikes. So, I feel kind of like, you know, how [1:35:44] important are they for our our people um to to have long-term parking for them? [1:35:55] Well, I think it's I I think it's interesting and uh that we are shifting [1:36:02] from deregulating parking to regulating bike parking and yet we're trying to say [1:36:08] like developers are going to do the what's right for the market, [1:36:13] but bike parking they're probably not. And and and I think to some degree like [1:36:20] some of this has to happen over the course of time and we I you know like we [1:36:24] identify where the challenges are and that's part of that monitoring and like [1:36:28] coming up with best practices and being able to um evaluate over time if [1:36:36] people show up into their multifamily rental and they all have big bikes and [1:36:41] they you know trailers and the things and I mean they're they're very fancy [1:36:46] and they do very cool things and uh people will have to adjust what their [1:36:52] expectations are um both developers and and residents. [1:37:00] So I guess I'm saying let's not overthink it. [1:37:03] [laughter] [1:37:06] Do does anyone here feel like that there's a need to have large this is [1:37:11] long-term parking spaces for large bikes in anything other than multif family [1:37:19] because I like I don't know I think if you're working at a factory like ride [1:37:24] something else. I don't know that's just me. But [1:37:27] » a big warehouse like can't you just like store it on the shop floor? But we're [1:37:32] talking about a designated long-term bike space. I don't I mean I I guess I I [1:37:38] don't know. I think they have to have you have to meet all the criteria. It's [1:37:41] like >> um [1:37:44] » I guess I feel like I'm still supportive of it for employees because larger [1:37:49] bikes, cargo bikes, etc. make it so much more likely that somebody's actually [1:37:54] going to commute to that place of employment. Um, so I think yeah, I [1:38:01] second what Rose said of and earlier of just it's a place to start and then it [1:38:06] can be adapted later. So I feel like I'm fine with it as it is and then we'll [1:38:11] kind of see how it goes. But I I hear your points. Yeah, I guess I mean like [1:38:16] like a theater, a museum, you know, like with these different cases that you may [1:38:21] just have large square footage and now all of a sudden you've got to create a [1:38:24] secure space for one large bike. Like I don't know, seems [1:38:31] odd to me. I'm not going to push for it if people are kind of like h we're we're [1:38:35] good with it. I just look at it as being an annoyance when I'm doing a project [1:38:38] and being kind of like was it worth it? you know, and and maybe it was, but um [1:38:43] but I'm sure I'll I'll be, you know, angry about this in a year. [laughter] [1:38:51] » I will say that I have seen more large bikes that actually are designed for [1:38:56] children, you know, so you can have the children in the front. Oh, yeah, it's [1:39:02] on. So that the children can be like in the front and bicycle rather than having [1:39:07] the toe behind. So that could be where the multif family comes in because there [1:39:12] are a lot of large ones that are meant for transporting children, sometimes two [1:39:19] on a bike. So [1:39:23] » all right, I'm done. Thanks. [1:39:32] I'll just take this time to remind everybody thanks to Bellingham there's a [1:39:36] beautiful bicycle valet during downtown Sounds [1:39:41] » if you if you haven't ever checked it out it's really nice. [1:39:53] How about just regarding any other tweaks or adjustments to this ordinance [1:39:58] other than the one that we've passed? Okay. So, does anyone want to make a [1:40:04] motion to push it forward as amended? [1:40:12] I'll move to accept staff's recommendation for uh approval of the [1:40:17] draft ordinance with modification with the one one amendment tonight and [1:40:21] forward the draft findings and facts conclusions and recommendations to city [1:40:25] council. >> Any any discussion? [1:40:32] Okay. All in favor uh please say I. I. >> I. Any opposed? [1:40:40] All right, motion passes. Congrats, Jamon. [1:40:45] [laughter] >> Um, [1:40:52] » so one item that came up that um I know there's the shoreline committee. I [1:40:59] didn't know if this is this a good time to address that. Um, [1:41:07] » yes. who wants to be on it. >> I mean, I guess it it probably is. Um [1:41:12] because previous people who were on it, I mean, who who was on that? Um Heather, [1:41:17] do you know? >> It's Steve Krooks and Olly Taiishi and [1:41:21] Mike [laughter] [1:41:27] the M. So, we changed the I did a few shoreline committees when I was first on [1:41:31] the plank commission. At some point we changed it a few years ago to make it [1:41:35] much much less frequent and only if a project deemed by the chair is [1:41:42] of significant public enough interest to hold a shoreline community. Almost all [1:41:46] shoreline permits are like the port adding storm water to [1:41:52] like some part of their property and it's like very well done paperwork. Not [1:41:56] really worth the time. Occasionally something might come up of a major [1:42:00] private project where it be interesting and worthwhile to hold a shoreline [1:42:03] committee, but we need to have three people selected so that committee could [1:42:07] meet in the event that an email comes in. And currently I have to read all the [1:42:12] emails and I want Jed to read the emails. So [laughter] [1:42:16] what we should do tonight is Jed should appoint ideally himself and two others. [1:42:21] I don't believe we have to vote on this. It's just sort of the chair's [1:42:25] appointment. >> Yep. the chair gets to a point. So you [1:42:28] can raise your hand and say you'd like to and he can say yes or he can just [1:42:33] draw names out of hat >> and appoint you. [1:42:36] » Boy, >> I know the p the one power that you have [1:42:39] solely as the chair. [laughter] [1:42:45] » You get to work with Steve. He's the best. [1:42:49] » So >> do we have any [1:42:51] » No, I have so many committees. I have so many committees. I like the last thing I [1:42:56] need is >> you could put it on your resume and it [1:42:58] probably wouldn't even [laughter] meet. >> No, there's so many committees. [1:43:03] » So, who has the least committees? [laughter] [1:43:06] » Committees. >> Okay, [1:43:09] » I'll do it. >> Oh, you guys are the best. [1:43:12] » All right. Does this have to come up as a formal kind of motion or anything like [1:43:16] that? >> Okay. [1:43:19] » And you're appointing yourself as the chair. [1:43:20] » Oh, yeah. I'll appoint myself as chair. So just so everyone's for everyone [1:43:26] else's visibility occasionally a couple times a year an email will come to the [1:43:29] chair that's like is this project of enough public interest to hold a special [1:43:34] » planning comm mission meeting. It happens very [1:43:37] » so >> holding that meeting happens very rarely [1:43:39] but it is something that the chair does kind of behind the scenes [1:43:42] » something I mean I just heads up I'll I'll have a project that I'm working on [1:43:46] that'll probably come up as an email in the next couple weeks or month or so. So [1:43:52] like you know I I on occasion I may have to recuse myself from from that and [1:43:56] it'll have to go to one of one of you guys I would assume. [1:43:58] » Short thing. >> Yeah. [1:44:00] » Okay. Wow. >> Well as as vice chair Mike and Phil [1:44:05] unfort. [laughter] [1:44:12] » Okay. So do we have any uh anything else on the agenda? Director's report. [1:44:18] » No. Just to let you know that um coming up at your next meeting uh you may [1:44:22] recall a couple meetings back you uh we introduced the landmark tree ordinance. [1:44:26] Uh we'll be bringing that to you kind of as the first step in the overall [1:44:31] approval process. So you'll get a chance to see that in the coming days in terms [1:44:36] of advanced information in the packet and then we'll be in front of you on uh [1:44:41] the 18th. Um, and then just one little general plug. If you have not seen or [1:44:48] are not aware of the various different uh watch parties that are going on [1:44:52] around the World Cup, the city is sponsoring a number of those that are [1:44:57] being put on by many of the different businesses throughout the city. So, you [1:45:00] can go to bellingham.org org uh which is kind of the tourism portion of the [1:45:06] website and then uh the fan zone portion and there's a a wide range of different [1:45:10] opportunities to take in a number of the games and other things like that going [1:45:14] on during the six weeks of the World Cup. [1:45:20] » All right, thanks a lot. So I guess uh if there's nothing else we can adjourn [1:45:25] and everybody have a good evening. >> Thank you.