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to call this meeting to order. Um,

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welcome everybody to what feels like the

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first real day of summer. This is a

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joint study session between the council

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council and the planning commission.

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So with that, um, can we do roll call?

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>> Yes. Starting with council. Council

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member Walter present. Council member

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Hasco here. Vice Mayor Hufty

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» here.

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>> Mayor Taylor

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>> present.

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>> We have a quorum. And for planning

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commission, Commissioner Vatra

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Tark is absent.

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>> Vice Chair Kinsky

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>> here.

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>> Chair Brothers,

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>> I'm here.

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>> We have a quorum.

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>> Thank you.

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So, I'd like to remind everybody that

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there's no decisions being made tonight.

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we go through this is to give staff some

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direction. Um, and then staff's going to

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incorporate our comments from tonight,

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public comments up through June 30th, I

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believe, um, and then revise the

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document, bring it back to the planning

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commission, and then from the planning

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commission will come back to council.

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So, I just wanted to give people sort of

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like to open up oral communications. Is

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there anybody who wants to speak on

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something that's not on this agenda?

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Rita.

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» Oh, okay. Um,

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>> The point of order question this

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document that's part of the packet.

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coding, but I didn't see a key

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they mean, and what the color codes

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agenda. Um the first one is receiving an

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update from the resilience um planning

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town council ad hoc subcommittee. I

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back from us. I'm not going to go back

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half of it got was missing. So the whole

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some input and you can read it unless

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the pieces that are here. Um but it was

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safety and resilience list and there was

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safety and resilience list. So it

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resilience list was this is not a

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commitment on the part of the council or

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committees but the goal was to get

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safety related tasks in a place that we

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council to come up with a policy on how

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proposed policy here but that's not for

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general sense because I mean Judith was

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informed comments that are still

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meeting and you download the agenda. You

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e either direction will get you there. I

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discussion part. And so, I'll read

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literally what's here.

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plan is the overarching view of our

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approach to the town's safety

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priorities. The safety element when

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paired with a set of safety and

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resilient initiatives begins to address

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in a concrete way the significant safety

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two conversation. Thank you. Um, the

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safety and resilience list provides a

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more detailed oriented view. The safety

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element of the town of Portola Valley

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general plan was last updated July 28,

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2010. The first public draft safety

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element was circulated for public review

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in October 2022. The town received

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comments from the public key town

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committees including geologic safety

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reviewed and many have been incorporated

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final list will be available shortly.

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council meeting. So, that's the full

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commission to begin with and secondly

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worry about putting things on a piece of

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paper that raises expectations. The

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people to review. So again, the goal of

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policy, but the proposal was that

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annually a subcommittee reviews this and

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makes suggestions to the council for

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things that should be budgeted and g and

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basically given staff direction. And the

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part. This is a laundry list, if you

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lines on items. How does that fit into

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staff time implementing a safety element

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that's required by state law and will at

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that point have been adopted? I don't

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understand where the rubber hits the

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road on that intersection.

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>> Well, the things that are on here tend

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to be fairly detailed tasks and the

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safety element tends to be fairly broad

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and the goal was not to sort of reopen

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the safety element on an annual basis.

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The safety element's meant to be a

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document that lasts kind of five years

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to maybe even 10 years.

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So again, it's just a tool and council

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will decide on policy for you know

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implementing or not. I mean the council

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may decide not to do that.

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Other clarifying questions.

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>> Yeah, I have one.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um respectfully like obviously this is a

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extensive list

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15ish pages.

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Um can and as as I recall

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the original directive

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was to prepare a draft list and report

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back.

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So this is

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>> this is the draft list,

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>> right? And and like I said, because of

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the time constraints of this meeting,

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what's the reason that list is so long

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right now is we attempted to take

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everything every comment from the last

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safety element draft that was made and

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dump it into this list. Rebecca and I

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plan to go back through this list, ddup

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it, clean it up some before we bring a

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real draft back to the council. So I

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mean I I am concerned that it would then

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further slow down our safety element

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adoption.

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I

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>> I believe this is decoupled from the

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safety. This is not the same process.

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There's this not going to go into the

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safety element. This is a list that we

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maintain

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with some policy behind it or not. I

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mean again the c the council may decide

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not to have a policy not maintain

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but this is not the safety element. This

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is not meant to replace the safety

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element.

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>> With all due respect you might want to

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consider renaming it so that that's

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clear.

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>> Okay. So let's wait on comments. We're

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getting any other clarifying questions.

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Okay. So with that I'll open up to

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public comment. Is there any public

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comment Veronica online?

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There is one raised hand online from MJ.

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» Go ahead, MJ.

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>> Yeah, thanks. Um, yeah, I had a few

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questions. Um, first of all, when is the

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safety element do?

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» Okay, so right now we're talking about

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the safety and resilience list, not the

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safety. So, we will get to in the next

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agenda item, the safety element.

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Okay. But but the safety and resilience

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list, you're saying it's going to be

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like an addendum in the safety element?

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>> No, I'm saying it's No, I'm saying it's

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another list that the council still

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needs to review and create a policy for.

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>> Okay. Well, then so you only want

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questions right now about the safety and

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resilience list.

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I'm really just looking for public

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comment on the list and particularly the

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sort of the concept of the list.

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>> Okay. So, let me just ask this. I I've

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seen earlier drafts of the list. This

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table, this chart in here, is it the

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same list is just formatted differently.

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>> I'm not sure which

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>> the last version I saw was the one you

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guys passed around I think in March or

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February or March or something. So it's

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>> Yes. So it has a lot of the same things.

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>> Okay. But I would still need to read

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this whole thing to see how it differs.

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>> Well, this if the council agrees on a

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policy, this will be the list. There

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won't be yet another list.

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>> Yeah. No, I mean in reference to the

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list that I originally saw. That's what

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I'm asking. because you know the

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wildfire committee based its whole goals

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on the stuff that came out of that list.

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I just want to know if this list has

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>> been added to.

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» Well, it's definitely been added to, but

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I don't think in any way has

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>> subtracted from what wildfire

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preparedness is trying to do.

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>> Yeah. No, it's not the subtractions I'm

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worried about. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Thank you,

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>> Craig. I I had actually a question

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before you went to public comment. So, I

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>> can I finish public comment though since

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I've opened it and I'll come back to

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you.

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>> Well, it's a question for for the

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attorney. What is the right thing to do?

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>> Okay.

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» So, I I was in the process of looking at

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my list of questions and then Craig went

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to public comment. That's fine. But if I

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now have questions, do I just hold it

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till public comment's done? That's all.

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>> I would say discretion of the mayor

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whether to

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>> I'll wait.

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>> Yeah.

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Just because I think we can wrap

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up pretty quick. I'll go to you first.

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>> Yeah. Okay.

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>> Um, anybody else online?

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>> Yes. Two more hands. The first one just

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says Zoom user.

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Welcome Zoom user.

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>> Hi Dana Breen. Can you hear me? Is it

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>> We We can hear you Dana. Yeah, welcome.

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>> Um I I feel confused all of a sudden at

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the beginning of this meeting. I mean

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why is there a time con constraint on

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this uh on this meeting? What what is

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the the issue? So I mean I thought that

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we were talking about the the changes to

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the general plan. Um, anyway, I feel

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confused about what the process is here.

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>> And I also like to say because this is a

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change to the general plan, I'm so

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surprised that Ed Holland's committee,

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all these other committees have have not

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studied what came out. ASC didn't study

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it. So, I I hope we have an opportunity.

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I hope that there's going to be a lot of

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time here for us to study this stuff.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Dana. And again, I would

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remind people that the safety and

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resilience list is safety element, but

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we we'll get to it. Um, okay. Any other

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online?

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>> Yes. From Christie.

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» Go ahead, Christie. Welcome.

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>> Thank you. I think what MJ was saying

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earlier is of a concern. Anytime there's

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changes to a previous document, the

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public should see a red line of what was

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added and what was deleted so we don't

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have to compare them side by side. So

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that's of concern

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and uh

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and I agree with that all committees

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should uh get these things prior to

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maybe you're trying to get in the first

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read but we want the first read to be

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our committees and to put have input and

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then we want to look at the document and

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then present it. So something is odd

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with this process. I agree. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Already off schedule.

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>> Yeah, I'm doing the best I can.

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>> Understood.

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>> Friendly.

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>> Veronica, anybody else online?

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>> Uh, no, that's all the comments.

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>> Anybody in the schoolhouse? Rita,

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please.

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» Yes, I've used um project management in

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the past. you know, the different uh

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software where you are moving forward

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with your project and then you use

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different colors to show that you've

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done progress. And a lot of these items

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on here are in future tense. And

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I know from attending many many meetings

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that some of these things are in the

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process or they've been done but it just

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seems the way it's tensed that we don't

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have anything going on in our beautiful

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town and we we have to so um I just have

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a concern about this particular uh

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document and how it what it represents

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you know for our town for somebody from

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the outside looking in

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and a lot of these things cost money

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that we that we don't have, but they're

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kind of done. So, it looks like we don't

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have anything and we don't have money to

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do these things.

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That's my comment. Thank you.

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All right. Anyone else in the

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schoolhouse, please?

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Nan

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I see that.

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>> Yeah. So we're talking about your safety

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and resilience list which I take it is

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the lowest level of detail sort of

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project level which falls out from the

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safety element which goes goals policies

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and and then there's the no Linda says

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no the the uh list of implementation

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actions at the back of the safety

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element

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is still at a higher level than

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the safety and resilience list. So I'm I

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guess I'm confused between the

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implementation actions in the safety

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element and the safety and resilience

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list items.

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Okay. I mean I'm we're trying to do

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comments and not I don't I'm trying to

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be careful not to go too much into

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answering questions, but one is meant to

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be a general list of things that people

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are interested in potentially doing. The

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other is stuff that we intend to do as sort of policy. So they're different

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in that way,

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» meaning items that we can we think we

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can actually accomplish in the next, you

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know, discrete period of time rather

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than things we think should happen in

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some longer period of time or

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>> um where are we out of our time or what?

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>> That's our fine. Again, I'm we're

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getting bit into back and forth which

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I'd like to avoid because we're already

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kind of over time on this item. So, um

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but Nan, I'd be happy to talk to you

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more a afterwards.

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Okay. Um anybody else in the

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schoolhouse?

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All right. So, with that, I'm going to

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close public comment. I'm going to come

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back to Judith first.

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>> Yeah. So my my question is a little more

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procedural because

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um and I I will have comments as well

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but the question is more like this is a

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list. Are we supposed to be saying where

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we might have some concerns? Um, and

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will that be con like considered in the

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next draft or is it going to be assumed

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that we're we're not commenting

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substantively at all tonight and

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therefore we're free to make any comment

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at all when we next see it? So, I just

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want to know what we're obligated to be

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doing tonight versus if and when it

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comes back. Um what because I I have

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substantive questions and concerns but

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they might be beside the point if we are

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completely free to make any comments in

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the next time it comes up

545
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,919
>> and there's you know to be clear I I

546
00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:22,240
want there to be no implication that

547
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,919
there's you know a predisposed

548
00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:28,799
assumption of acceptance coming out of

549
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:29,520
tonight.

550
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,840
>> That is correct. So there's you are

551
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,840
going to be completely free when the

552
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,840
council takes this up in the future to

553
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,320
talk about the policy and the list. Um

554
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,400
the only reason we brought this up

555
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,880
tonight was we were asked to bring it up

556
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,480
because there are things that aren't in

557
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,400
the safety element, but that people had

558
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,320
made comments in a previous one and we

559
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,840
wanted people to know that they weren't

560
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,720
lost, that that information wasn't gone.

561
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,720
>> That's sort of the safety and resilience

562
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,400
list was sort of part of that. But it's

563
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,840
going to come back to the council and

564
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,440
the council can decide that this list

565
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,159
shouldn't exist. That's fine as well. So

566
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:03,120
there there's nothing

567
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,240
>> be modified, right?

568
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,760
>> Well, I mean it could be modified. It

569
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,600
could be decided that we don't want to

570
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,679
do it at all. I mean the process has not

571
00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:11,600
been decided. We were just saying look

572
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,600
here's the direction that the

573
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,679
subcommittee has been headed.

574
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:17,200
>> So that was it was just meant to be a

575
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280
report out to say this is the direction

576
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520
the subcommittee is headed.

577
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Okay. Um yeah, please.

578
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,799
So is the main motivation for this list

579
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,320
to be separate from the safety element

580
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960
itself the fact that the safety element

581
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520
is maybe difficult to modify and not

582
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,919
modified very often or is it these are

583
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:37,520
things that didn't make it into the

584
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,840
safety element we're trying to keep

585
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,919
track of them so kind of yes to all the

586
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,280
above. So the safety element is

587
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,799
something that you don't want to keep

588
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,159
modifying the general plan if you don't

589
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:47,360
have to and it's an element of the

590
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,919
general plan. Um, and the list was meant

591
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:52,080
to be if a committee has something that

592
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,600
they think's important that they don't

593
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,039
want to get lost, we should be able to

594
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,200
put it on there, it's not a commitment

595
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,440
by the council or the town or the

596
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,679
committee, but it when we review it

597
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:03,520
annually, we should say, "Oh, I wonder

598
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,520
if we should start working on this now."

599
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600
So, that was more what it was was just a

600
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,520
pl kind of a placeholder for ideas.

601
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,440
Okay,

602
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,880
other comments? been done.

603
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,039
>> I really want to be clear that this is

604
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,760
not part of the safety element.

605
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760
>> It's not required by the state law to be

606
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,760
in the safety element. It has not been

607
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320
reviewed or looked at by the planning

608
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,880
commission. We saw it just as soon as

609
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,799
you guys did. And um to kind of

610
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,600
correlate it to the safety element in my

611
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,520
mind, I guess the council can do what

612
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,080
they want to do, but it's not what the

613
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,640
law says. the element does have

614
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,120
implementation plans which can be laid

615
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:48,720
out on annual or weekly or monthly or

616
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320
decadily uh manners. So I think it needs

617
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,840
to be really clear that this is

618
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,760
something from a subcommittee from the

619
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,640
town council and not to be confused with

620
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,360
the topic of tonight which is the safety

621
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,039
element.

622
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,960
>> Thank you. Other comments?

623
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,799
So let me I'll go on this side then I'll

624
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,159
come back to you guys. Go ahead.

625
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:13,360
>> Yeah. Um yes. Um thank you for

626
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,840
everything. And just to be clear, we did

627
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,799
kind of it was the questioning period

628
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,640
was a little bit unclear as well because

629
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,559
it was more of the um

630
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,720
like the process question instead of the

631
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,880
question on the documents. I feel like

632
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,039
so I will echo what chair brother said

633
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,400
um in terms of the safety element has

634
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,679
very mandated aspects that need to be

635
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,760
included

636
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:50,159
um and so like you know there's been a long time request to get

637
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,320
the safety element out the door and I

638
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,159
think it's great that we have this other

639
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:57,039
laundry list to consider but I do hope

640
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,000
that we concentrate on getting while all

641
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,600
of us are together and we've started

642
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
early. I do hope that we can get to the

643
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,559
safety elements so that we can make sure

644
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,520
that we consider that deeply. Thank you.

645
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,440
>> That's where we're headed. All right,

646
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,520
Mary.

647
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,240
>> Thank you. Uh I do really like the

648
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,320
concept of the safety and resilience

649
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,279
list uh and as being a living document

650
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,400
that actually all of us can look at see

651
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,039
where we what whether our concerns are

652
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,799
actually on there and uh and amplify

653
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,720
them if they need to be or elevate them

654
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,400
if they if it as the interest of the

655
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,279
community and it's possible. So I think

656
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,600
it's a great a great tool that you've

657
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,159
developed. Thank you very much. Uh and

658
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,159
it certainly makes me more feel more

659
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:48,000
comfortable moving ahead with the safety

660
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,679
element. Um the relationship between the

661
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,480
list and the safety element does need to

662
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,760
be clarified eventually but not tonight.

663
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,799
And I think they this is a separate uh

664
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:05,039
presentation and should remain so. So uh

665
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,840
I'm pleased with the direction that

666
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,559
you're going.

667
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,039
>> Okay. Thank you, Judy.

668
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,039
Well, if you're looking for comments,

669
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,760
um, like holistic comments, not line

670
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,279
item comments, um, I do echo some

671
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:20,880
concerns. I mean, obviously a lot of

672
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,640
work done. It's great to have a

673
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,720
repository of potential items to pick up

674
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,480
in the future. Um, but a lot of these

675
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,640
have significant cost implications for

676
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,919
the individuals and for the town. they

677
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,880
um it's unclear what the costbenefit

678
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,240
would be and some of these are policy

679
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,960
decisions for the council. So I do

680
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
anticipate a robust discussion when it

681
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,039
comes forward again and from a personal

682
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,960
point of view um I am retaining all

683
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,039
rights to make any comments in a future

684
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,559
meeting. Um but but do think that it's

685
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,520
helpful they have a repository um to to

686
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,880
frame up. Okay, thank you Karen.

687
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,880
>> Um I feel a little out of place speaking

688
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,080
to this because I'm not a council

689
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,240
member, but I do think it needs a lot of

690
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,559
cleanup. Um there a lot of these goals

691
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,080
are extremely vague and about

692
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,000
communication and I'm not sure when

693
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,360
you'd ever know it was done,

694
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:19,840
>> right?

695
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,159
>> Or who would do it and I found 44 of

696
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,679
those and so um I would suggest a you

697
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,120
know a second draft.

698
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,880
>> Yeah. Did and which is definitely going

699
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,919
to be in progress. So Bonnie, any con?

700
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:35,679
Um yeah, I guess I I I feel like it that

701
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:38,559
the list is serving too many functions.

702
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,279
Um and it I think it's confusing. Uh it makes it confusing of what exactly

703
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:48,559
it's a list of. Um and yeah, it just is

704
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,559
very long. I I realize there's some

705
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,720
redundancy, but even after eliminating

706
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,080
it, just feel like it's going to be very

707
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,159
long. Like if we had a list of, you

708
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,799
know, these are the 10 20 things like

709
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,600
we're going to work on this year.

710
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,440
I guess it's not trying to serve it

711
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,799
seems like it's partially serving that

712
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,279
but then serving other things maybe

713
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,960
>> yeah it's not meant to serve the purpose

714
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,799
of this is what we're working that's not

715
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,279
the intent it was the intent was to

716
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,720
gather people's requests and that

717
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,960
annually those requests would be look at

718
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,799
decide if we would start working on so I think it's sort of a step back from

719
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,399
things that we're actually working on I

720
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,960
mean unless a committee or the council

721
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,279
decides to,

722
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,919
you know, act act on one of these. It

723
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:35,840
just sits on the list. That's its that's

724
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,120
its home. That's where it's going to

725
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840
live. It really is just a repository. I

726
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,679
think that's a good description of it

727
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:43,120
from Judith. I mean, that's it. It's

728
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,799
just a repository. It it has no

729
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,600
actionable unless somebody takes one of

730
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,039
those things and turns it into an action

731
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,880
item, it's it's just a repository.

732
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,440
>> Okay. If it's clearly I I guess maybe my comment is maybe it could be

733
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,240
more clear that that's what it

734
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,399
>> Okay, great. Thank you, Bo.

735
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,880
>> I guess I'd echo uh Karen's point. I

736
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,880
think it's a good idea to have this list

737
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000
and have the repository, there is

738
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,320
obvious overlap with the safety

739
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,799
elements. It's not clear which are

740
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,200
overlaps and which are not overlaps. And

741
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,960
I think as you work through this with a

742
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,919
draft and get a key and a glossery and

743
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:23,840
things are sorted out, then I think it

744
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,520
could be a very useful list. It's

745
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000
obviously confusing today. Yeah,

746
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,840
appreciate. Okay. All right. So, with

747
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,640
that, let me

748
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,600
>> Can I make can I make one comment?

749
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,120
>> Sure.

750
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,799
Oh, I'm sorry, Nicholas. Um, first of

751
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,679
all, welcome.

752
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:43,760
>> Um, so can I go to Nicholas?

753
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,640
>> Go to Nicholas.

754
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
>> You and I would ask it's already

755
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,760
>> discussing this.

756
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,240
>> We're already 15 minutes over. So, if we

757
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,840
can keep our comments super short at

758
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840
this point, um, because this was only

759
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,600
meant to say this is a thing we're going

760
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,440
to do in the future, not something to go

761
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,440
into detail. So, but Nicholas, please

762
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,720
make your make your comment.

763
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600
>> Cool. Uh, thanks so much and I apologize

764
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,240
for joining you uh late. Let me

765
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,279
recognize that. Um, I also appreciate

766
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,200
the amount of work that went into

767
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,919
creating uh the list. I found it uh

768
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,559
confusing. of the relationship of the

769
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:23,760
list to the safety element uh itself. Um

770
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,039
I think that I share many of the the

771
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,039
concerns that were stated. I'm not going

772
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,840
to repeat them in the interest of time,

773
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,840
but

774
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,279
I don't think it is an item I'm hearing

775
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,720
that it's not an item to be voted on,

776
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,190
nor is it an item that

777
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,799
represents an action plan,

778
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,880
but rather it's a you know, we all have

779
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,519
this document

780
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,679
in your desk drawer. Got a desk drawer

781
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:03,919
that it's like of the things that you do

782
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:06,000
if you actually find some money and you

783
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
got some time to do it. And I looked at

784
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,799
that and I think well maybe this is that

785
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,519
and is not entirely baked but they're

786
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,200
things that you might think about doing

787
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,679
at some point in time and clarifying

788
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,880
its status at that level. Not that we're

789
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760
gonna do it, but the interesting things

790
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,679
to think about maybe doing at some point

791
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:31,519
would be

792
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,279
uh the way that I would think about it

793
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,519
and feel comfortable

794
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:41,039
uh with it, you know, maybe go there for

795
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,360
good ideas and build it out, but you

796
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,919
know, it's both unclear what it is and

797
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:53,200
whether it should be done and how much

798
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080
money it would cost to do it and what

799
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
the bang for the buck is. But, you know,

800
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,200
there's like nothing obviously wrong

801
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,840
with it, but it just needs it needs it

802
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,919
needs to be clarified what it is and

803
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:11,200
where it is and how it might be used.

804
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,399
That's what I've got. Thank you.

805
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:15,039
>> Thank you, Mary.

806
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,440
My comment was going to be that uh it

807
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
answered one of the things that I have

808
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,679
been bothered by this whole process the

809
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,240
safety element process because yes there

810
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,600
are people who haven't been able to

811
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,799
speak to the safety element who we are

812
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,360
used to hearing from the safety element

813
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000
about the safety element like bicycle

814
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,320
pedestrian traffic committee like the uh

815
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,159
fire department etc. They they this is

816
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:43,679
really a process that's been going on

817
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:46,320
for five years. This is the same old

818
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,559
process. We've all commented and commented and commented.

819
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,039
We need to get a safety element done. Uh

820
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,760
and this repository is the opportunity

821
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840
to capture all the work of the last five

822
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
years that isn't able necessarily to be

823
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,600
incorporated in the safety element.

824
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,679
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. So, I'd like

825
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:10,000
to close 4A and move on to 4B, which is

826
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,679
receive an update and provide direction

827
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,879
on the 2026 draft safety element. So,

828
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:17,200
Sarah, believe you got the staff report.

829
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,119
Thank you. Good evening, town council

830
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,639
and planning commission. I'm Sarah

831
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,159
Cororus, the planning director with Town

832
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,079
of Cortto Valley, and I'm joined here

833
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,079
tonight with Aaron Fannensteel from

834
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,760
Atlas Planning. So, we're very excited

835
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,159
to be here tonight for a joint and also

836
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,320
very unique study session and very happy

837
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480
to have both groups here tonight for

838
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,480
very important discussion around the

839
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,399
2026 draft safety elements. So, we

840
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,960
already kind of got a quick update from

841
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,599
the town council subcommittee. We have a

842
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,280
short presentation we'd like to walk

843
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,879
through to give an overview of the

844
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,879
progress we've made so far. There is

845
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:52,960
opportunity for public comment after the

846
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,560
presentation and then the rest of the

847
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,800
time will be left for discussion

848
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,320
including questions and comments from

849
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,000
both commission and counselors and we'll

850
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
be here for that. So at this point I'm

851
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,430
going to pass it off to Erin.

852
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,480
» Thank you Sarah. Next slide please. So

853
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560
let's just briefly touch on how we got

854
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,880
here. Uh as uh I believe is a council

855
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520
member Hufty uh how you indicated we've

856
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,280
been doing this for five years. Um I

857
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,440
have been a part of this process for a

858
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,640
vast majority of that. Uh right around

859
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,880
the end of 2023

860
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,040
this project kind of took a hold but

861
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,040
prior to that a lot of work was done. We

862
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,040
had a lot of studies. We wrote a couple

863
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,359
of drafts. Uh there was a lot of

864
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,760
feedback and and input. Uh and then

865
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,720
things went on holds. Um staff around me

866
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,839
has changed. I haven't changed that much

867
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:46,240
since we started this process. A little

868
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,040
grayer though. Thank you. Uh, and but

869
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,800
we're back. Um, and this was really

870
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,960
again prioritized by the council that

871
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,960
you wanted to get this back on track.

872
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,400
And I'm sure it wasn't just the council.

873
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,160
I'm sure a lot of people want back on

874
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,160
track. So, that's what brings us here

875
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200
today. Uh, and the draft that we

876
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920
provided uh is really just that. It's a

877
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640
draft. Our uh proposed timeline at this

878
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,440
point is the rest of this month is open

879
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,560
for as much feedback as possible. So,

880
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560
tonight is not the only night that we

881
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,480
get feedback. We want to make sure you

882
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,880
have plenty of time. We wanted to also

883
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,440
set the tone for what it is that would

884
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680
help us the most in getting that

885
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,680
feedback so that way we can help focus

886
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,760
your efforts. We know you're busy. Uh

887
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,839
both Sarah and I have sat on the other

888
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:33,040
side of the DEAS as planning

889
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,200
commissioners. We understand what that

890
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,440
job looks like. Um we are not crazy

891
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,880
enough to actually sit on that side as

892
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,280
council members. No offense, but you

893
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,000
know, we're uh we understand uh what you

894
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
have as far as constraints. So this is

895
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,599
the the time frame that we've laid out

896
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,720
um with the intent that uh by July we'll

897
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,480
start looking and evaluating at all the

898
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,839
feedback that we received. We've already

899
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:57,119
started looking at a lot of what's

900
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,599
already come in. Uh working closely with

901
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,920
a lot of other external um agencies that

902
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,599
should be reviewing this like California

903
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,320
Office of Emergency Services, Califire,

904
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,440
and the uh California Geological Survey

905
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,599
uh with the hope that we could be back

906
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,760
uh sometime in September and October for

907
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,280
final review and approval by the

908
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,359
commission and council.

909
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:18,960
So, let me just briefly say what a

910
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,200
safety element is not. So, this is not a

911
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,800
document that focuses on immediate

912
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,119
actions. Yes. Oh, next slide. I'm

913
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,720
apologize.

914
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,680
I'm doing it on my my computer.

915
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Um, so this is not a document that

916
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,800
focuses on immediate uh safety element.

917
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,760
Um, if we go to the next slide, um, is it's a mandatory chapter of your

918
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,400
general plan. There are seven required

919
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,240
chapters as you can see on the screen

920
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,720
and then there's two additional required

921
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,720
chapters depending on the conditions

922
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,640
within your community uh, whether or not

923
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,160
you would qualify. Um, these chapters

924
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,480
focus on long-term actions that can help

925
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,040
address town safety needs. Um, there are

926
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,880
required pieces to it like background

927
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,280
information, maps, and then policies and

928
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,880
actions. And this chapter now requires a

929
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,480
little bit more update than some of the

930
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,119
others because of the legislative

931
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,720
mandates that have come down. Now, if

932
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,240
you go to the next slide or just click

933
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,200
the next button, what you'll see is you

934
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
have all of those chapters and then

935
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,960
some. So the ones highlighted in pink

936
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,520
are the additional elements that you

937
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,960
have created as part of your general

938
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,760
plan. That is perfectly acceptable. Um

939
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,359
you have to have the bare minimum which

940
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:31,760
is those seven at least. Um but you have

941
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,839
the freedom to make as many elements as

942
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:36,480
you want. Don't often recommend that you

943
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,280
go that route. Um but every community

944
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,200
can do you know address the needs of

945
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,880
their community whatever way they see

946
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,560
fit. And this is how it um came out when

947
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040
you put your last general plan together.

948
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,359
Next slide.

949
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:53,119
So, let's talk a little about what does

950
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,040
a safety element do? This is what the

951
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,359
government code says that you need to

952
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,119
have a plan that protects the community

953
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,440
from unreasonable risks associated with

954
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,119
seismically induced surface rupture,

955
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,280
ground shaking, flooding, tsunami, slope

956
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,200
instability, wildfire, etc. The four on

957
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,520
the bottom, those are not specific

958
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,520
hazards as much as conditions that you

959
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
also need to help address. The

960
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,280
interesting thing about that is three

961
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,960
out of those four have actually been

962
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
superseded by new legislation and new

963
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,200
mandates that have come down. If you go

964
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,440
to the next slide,

965
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
why are we updating the element? one

966
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,960
because you're now required to um when I

967
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,280
say you're required, there is no

968
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,880
statutory

969
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,320
um penalty in the way that you have

970
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,240
penalties for your housing element not

971
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,880
being up to date, but there is

972
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,040
legislation that indicates by certain

973
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,359
dates and through certain triggers, you

974
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,920
need to update your safety element.

975
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,400
In 20 uh 2006, AB2140 went into effect.

976
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,640
This is a voluntary item, but it's a

977
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,119
very very large um it has a very large

978
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:02,880
financial consequence if you don't do

979
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,359
it. We have opted to integrate that into

980
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,680
your safety element.

981
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Uh in 2014, wildfire hazards were

982
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,880
required to be addressed. This is when

983
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,640
the wildfire um hazard maps basically

984
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200
started to trigger CalFire review of

985
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,560
safety elements in 2017. Climate

986
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800
adaptation and how the hazards within

987
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,560
your community may be impacted by

988
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,480
climate change were required to be

989
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,200
addressed. That's SB 379.

990
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,720
2018,

991
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,119
this is when the legislature connected

992
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:36,720
housing elements and safety elements

993
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,480
together.

994
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,000
2019,

995
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,119
2021, and 2022 is when evacuation

996
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,920
analysis requirements went into effect.

997
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,720
SB99 focuses on the single ingress,

998
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,760
egress, and constrained parcels. AB747

999
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,320
and 1409 looks at an evacuation

1000
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
assessment and capacity, safety, and

1001
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
viability of your circulation network.

1002
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,599
And then in 2028 on January 1st, AB2684

1003
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,119
goes into effect, meaning you have to

1004
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,640
address extreme heat as part of your

1005
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,560
safety. So, this is the main culprit as

1006
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,880
to why we have been trying to update the

1007
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,880
safety element and we're here before you

1008
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,680
working with town staff as well as all

1009
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,920
of the appointed and elected officials

1010
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,000
to make sure that the safety element

1011
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,160
meets those statutory requirements. Next

1012
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,079
slide.

1013
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,359
So, your element as proposed really has

1014
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,520
three main

1015
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,000
sections. The safety element overview is

1016
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,520
really about your purpose, the

1017
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,680
relationship to other elements uh and

1018
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,280
plans within your uh general plan and um

1019
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,440
some other plans that you may have uh

1020
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,480
created um as well as how the plan the

1021
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,359
element is organized and the focus for

1022
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,560
the community. The next main section are

1023
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,319
hazard evaluations. Basically, what are

1024
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:57,119
the hazards of concern? Again, looking

1025
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,520
through the the lens of what does the

1026
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,079
government code require? Um, there are

1027
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,599
safety elements out there that you could

1028
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,200
address every single hazard you're most

1029
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
worried about. I will tell you the vast

1030
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,240
majority of those do not protect a

1031
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,400
community any better than an element

1032
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,839
that is meeting the statutory

1033
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,319
requirements. Uh and then safety goals

1034
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,720
and policies, which is really the

1035
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,079
toolbox that town staff will be relying

1036
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,800
on and commission and council will be

1037
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,640
using to ensure that projects that are

1038
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,960
being proposed meet the standards that

1039
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,359
you have set as a community. Next slide.

1040
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:38,079
So what we need from you,

1041
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,800
this is something that we um we we've

1042
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,040
discussed with staff, you know, here

1043
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,359
tonight. we're a and moving throughout

1044
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:46,480
the rest of this month, it's really

1045
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,480
about receiving that feedback from the

1046
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,920
public, from appointed elected

1047
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,800
officials, from interested parties. Um,

1048
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,640
we want to then identify the changes

1049
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,319
that are necessary to meet statutory

1050
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,599
requirements. Um, we also anticipate

1051
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,400
there will be changes that we may need

1052
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200
additional direction from council on uh

1053
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,119
to that are beyond those required

1054
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,599
changes. um and then ultimately get this

1055
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,880
plan and this element ready uh to have

1056
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,960
it reviewed by CalFire as well as other

1057
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,720
agencies. So we provided this you know

1058
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,440
how do how should we focus if you look

1059
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,920
at those three sections when we look at

1060
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,920
that first component of the safety

1061
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000
element have we missed official plans or

1062
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,599
references to relevant documents that

1063
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,119
you would be concerned about or want to

1064
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,680
get connected to the element we've also

1065
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
seen a lot of feedback already that

1066
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,920
there might be too much detail and we're

1067
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400
happy to go ahead and start to minimize

1068
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,920
some of that detail there are ways that

1069
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,200
we can that um so we really want to make

1070
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,920
sure it structurally works for the

1071
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
community. We went a little bit more

1072
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,720
versus less because sometimes

1073
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,480
communities like to see a lot of the

1074
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
detail. If yours doesn't, perfectly

1075
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
acceptable. At the end of the day, I

1076
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,079
walk out the door and you're stuck with

1077
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,520
the document. I don't want you to be

1078
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,640
stuck with something that you're not

1079
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,720
happy with. When it comes to the hazard

1080
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,400
evaluations, we need to know if we've

1081
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,040
used incorrect information from official

1082
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,280
and reputable sources. So, my friend

1083
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Doug said something happened two years

1084
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,800
ago is not a reputable source.

1085
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,599
unfortunately, unless Doug actually has

1086
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,359
a scientific study or some sort of

1087
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,359
analysis that they've done that has been

1088
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:23,359
vetted by the town or by another uh

1089
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:25,440
government agency. So, we want to make

1090
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,920
sure that what we're relying on is good

1091
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,839
quality information. If there's

1092
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:31,359
something we have missed, we want to

1093
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,040
make sure that it can be identified.

1094
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Part of the reason why we are going to

1095
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,520
send this out to other agencies for

1096
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,520
review is so that they can also help us

1097
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,480
with that. Uh and then the goals and the

1098
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,200
policy section is really about is there

1099
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,400
a policy or action that's missing or uh

1100
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,119
one that causes concern especially if

1101
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,960
there's one that's causing concern that

1102
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,560
may cost time, money, staff hours, and

1103
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,160
you want to make sure that this is the

1104
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,319
right decision for community. So those

1105
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:03,359
are the types of ways that your feedback

1106
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:08,160
will help us the most. Next slide.

1107
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,040
So, the next steps for tonight uh was to

1108
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,720
open things up for public comment. I

1109
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,160
know that was part of the agenda and

1110
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400
then bring this back down to uh both

1111
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,319
council and commission for questions and

1112
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:21,440
discussion. Uh at this point, we are

1113
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,839
done with the presentations. Happy to

1114
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,880
answer any clarifying questions uh and

1115
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,680
uh up to the mayor on how you would like

1116
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,200
to proceed with public comment from

1117
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,160
here.

1118
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,319
>> Thank you, Aaron. So, I'd just like to

1119
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,560
start with clarifying questions. Um, so

1120
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,400
are there any clarifying questions on

1121
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
the presentation? And we'll get to a

1122
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,880
more wholesome discussion. Doug, do you

1123
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,359
have anything? Not any. So, just sort of

1124
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:50,240
shake your head if you don't have

1125
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,240
anything and we can move on. But Karen,

1126
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,160
>> I have a lot of clarifying questions,

1127
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,240
but it might be more useful to make them

1128
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,119
as comments.

1129
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,720
>> Okay, great. Then why don't we wait?

1130
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,960
>> Um, what is LHMP section 2140? said it

1131
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,040
was a big deal and I don't know what it

1132
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:07,520
is.

1133
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,319
>> Apologies. Uh do you need me to go back

1134
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:11,680
to the slide or is it okay?

1135
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,400
>> Just tell me.

1136
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,599
>> The local hazard mitigation plan uh is a

1137
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,079
voluntary document that the city has

1138
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,520
adopted. You've actually adopted the

1139
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,839
annex to the multi-jurisdictional hazard

1140
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:25,520
mitigation plan that San Monteo County

1141
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,160
prepared. So, Sonteo County and a bunch

1142
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,119
of the participating uh cities and towns

1143
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,319
in the county all went in together and

1144
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:36,800
you now have one of those. We call it an

1145
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
LHMP, but in your case it's actually an

1146
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,960
MJHP. That's the acronym that

1147
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,200
>> Oh, that was referenced in the document.

1148
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Okay. Same thing. Um, for years we went

1149
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,200
back and forth on fire maps. Which fire

1150
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,520
map was actually used? What was the

1151
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,440
source of it? the latest fire hazard uh

1152
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,520
severity zone map that was produced by

1153
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,440
CalFire and release.

1154
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,800
>> Okay.

1155
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,359
>> Um

1156
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:06,480
now when you ask us what for the

1157
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,200
background what might be missing I don't

1158
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,680
feel like I have any point of reference

1159
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,720
to make any comments. So how would you

1160
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,240
suggest we react based on an inability

1161
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,960
to understand what we don't know?

1162
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,000
So I think the biggest thing that I

1163
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,079
would suggest if you don't if you feel

1164
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,000
like you don't know if you read that

1165
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,960
section and you feel like it makes sense

1166
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,119
then that's perfect. If you feel like

1167
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,839
I'm confused that means that if you're

1168
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:37,680
confused and you sit behind the deas

1169
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,960
people in

1170
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,880
>> will be confused. If you can highlight

1171
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,720
that we're more than happy to make sure

1172
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,280
that we can deconlict any of that

1173
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,000
confusion. Yeah, I mean this and my last

1174
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,280
couple of clarifying questions um

1175
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,319
derived from that which is

1176
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:57,280
there's no time for us to see it before

1177
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,280
it goes to the state. You're going to

1178
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,119
take all of our comments. There'll be a

1179
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,079
lot of comments we can make, but there

1180
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,880
is not another goaround so that we can

1181
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,040
double check there's nothing that's

1182
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,720
obviously missing before it gets

1183
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,960
submitted to the state. If I understand

1184
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,720
that correctly and that's what your

1185
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,760
slide said then

1186
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,839
um what is your experience on backing up

1187
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,480
like if once it's submitted to the state

1188
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,440
and all these other authorities if we

1189
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,319
say the cost benefit of that isn't

1190
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:33,200
reachable for us.

1191
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,640
Are we locked and loaded? Because

1192
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,720
that'll help frame the comments you hear

1193
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,760
tonight. like if we have to if we're not

1194
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,240
sure air on the side of get it out and

1195
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,720
we can add later because there's a lot

1196
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,559
in here that I see that I'm

1197
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,200
uncomfortable with. So how do how do you

1198
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,630
suggest we frame that discussion?

1199
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,400
» Uh as I think I was explaining this to

1200
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Sarah earlier today as well. Um,

1201
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,400
we have gone through this process with

1202
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,559
CalFire on three Sanato County elements

1203
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:07,839
that are actually going to the board of

1204
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:12,240
forestry next week. Uh, and so we're

1205
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,720
relying on a lot of the work that went

1206
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,240
into those to inform what

1207
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,000
recommendations we're providing to

1208
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,359
Portolo Valley as well. Uh the challenge

1209
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,680
you're going to run into is uh you're

1210
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,599
right as you start to review this if you

1211
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:32,319
are concerned um then how do we uh

1212
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:35,359
rectify that concern? The proposed

1213
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,079
schedule that we have we believe has

1214
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,640
enough time in it to to accommodate some

1215
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,040
of that. But again that was staff's

1216
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,960
proposed schedule. That doesn't

1217
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520
necessarily mean that we can't modify

1218
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,359
the schedule to accommodate some of the

1219
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:52,000
concerns of council and commission.

1220
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
>> Judith, may I ask a clarifying question

1221
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,720
on your question and answer? Uh were you

1222
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,040
talking about that other little substudy

1223
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,559
that you were asking about or the

1224
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,359
element is because the ending is the

1225
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,599
element is going to be rewritten and is

1226
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,440
coming back to the

1227
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
>> not before it goes to the state

1228
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,720
>> before it goes to the state

1229
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,280
>> or the authorities that review it and

1230
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,280
inform and then it comes back. It will

1231
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,480
come back is my understanding but

1232
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
>> if it goes out beyond

1233
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,079
valley in my in my view we're locked and

1234
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,880
loaded. you cannot back up. If you back

1235
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,480
up at that point, then we're against

1236
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,040
safety. So, I want to understand exactly

1237
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,319
how to frame this out if I have concerns

1238
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:37,040
about the cost benefit of something.

1239
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,359
Should I advocate tonight to take it out

1240
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,400
and we can evaluate it and add it later

1241
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,480
on the theory that they'll be happier if

1242
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,720
we add something later or you know what

1243
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,349
is practical?

1244
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,760
Uh, did you want me to to to address

1245
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,760
that now? Because I know it it sounds

1246
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,680
>> it's a study session. So, I don't

1247
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,520
understand how you go from a study

1248
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,440
session to submitting something without

1249
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,829
coming back to your a

1250
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,079
Judith, but I'm trying to understand the

1251
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:11,119
same thing you're trying to

1252
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:12,960
>> Yeah. I mean, we're aligned on the

1253
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,359
question.

1254
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,119
So, I'll reference a little bit where

1255
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,280
back in fall of 2025, there's direction

1256
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,280
from town council including budget and

1257
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,520
funding and ultimately a contract with

1258
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,240
consultants to work on a very specific

1259
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,559
scope to move the safety element through

1260
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,040
adoption. So, within that scope of work,

1261
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,640
it was identified to do this study

1262
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,640
session to hear feedback and to have

1263
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,640
this joint study session to address

1264
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,079
comments. However, if there are comments

1265
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,480
or things that we've received that might

1266
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,599
trigger more substantial changes, then

1267
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,680
there could be an opportunity, but it

1268
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,079
would change the timeline as well as the

1269
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,800
budget and scope of the project. If we

1270
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,319
find that there are more significant

1271
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,400
revisions, then there's an opportunity

1272
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,559
to do another public review draft. So,

1273
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,720
that is that was written in the scope of

1274
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,200
depending on how conversations happen. I

1275
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,880
think there is an opportunity to still

1276
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,720
potentially come to planning commission

1277
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,319
during this draft during that time

1278
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:11,599
period of uh external agency review

1279
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,520
where if there's other feedback that we

1280
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,920
can get before and then before it comes

1281
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,400
through in with uh through the adoption

1282
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040
process. But the idea too as well as

1283
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,880
going back to the timeline is that this

1284
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440
has been happening since 2021 and that

1285
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,599
the plan you see before you addresses

1286
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,359
all the previous comments that we have

1287
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:31,440
received. ones that aren't in the plan

1288
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,800
may have ended up on the safety and

1289
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,240
resilience list, but the ones that

1290
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,400
should be in the strappy safety element

1291
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,160
have been addressed and are there. So,

1292
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,839
this plan building on the previous

1293
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,440
version, building on previous comments

1294
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,760
and feedback gotten and is the best kind

1295
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,200
of approach that we're putting forward

1296
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,280
to you guys for feedback.

1297
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,040
>> Yeah. And please don't take my questions

1298
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,640
as criticism. They're really not

1299
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,800
intended. I have to do my job. You've

1300
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,240
done yours and you've done it well, as

1301
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,160
far as I can tell. So, I want to be very

1302
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,760
clear on that. Um, but you didn't answer

1303
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,680
my question, which is if I if I want to

1304
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,720
propose to take something out or like

1305
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,440
what is the best use of time for me to

1306
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,559
do tonight?

1307
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,559
>> For tonight, I think if you have

1308
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,119
specific comments or concerns about like

1309
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:18,000
a policy or an action, let's I have

1310
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,720
flagged those.

1311
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,920
>> Okay. Um, and even if it's not I want to

1312
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,680
dive into it, it's these are the ones

1313
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,000
that I'm most concerned about. Then if

1314
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,839
you want to follow up with here are some

1315
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:29,760
of the specifics regarding those

1316
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,440
concerns, that might be the most

1317
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,200
efficient use of everyone's time.

1318
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,680
>> Thank you.

1319
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,710
>> Yeah,

1320
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,839
Judith Mary clarifying questions.

1321
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:43,680
>> Yes. Uh I I specifically wanted to ask

1322
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,760
about uh fire following um following

1323
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,920
earthquake and why that shouldn't be

1324
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,359
presented as a separate hazard as being

1325
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:56,960
unique to Porto Valley, not unique, but

1326
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,640
our greatest hazard and that it should

1327
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,040
be a driving force in our safety

1328
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,079
element, not just a suggestion maybe on

1329
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:15,030
a on an on a that adjunctive list.

1330
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
» Well, I can't speak to what what it may

1331
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,079
be on any other list because I again I

1332
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,680
just want to also clarify too we have

1333
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,280
not been part of the safety.

1334
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,839
>> Right. No, I I'm specifically asking uh

1335
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,960
my question is how much trouble is it to

1336
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680
add another section because we have two

1337
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,640
kinds of fire. We have urban and we have

1338
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,160
wildfire. And we have another kind that

1339
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,200
has to do with earthquake that we all

1340
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,119
know that that you talk about those

1341
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,040
hazards, but no nowhere does it say

1342
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,400
specifically what we do about when we

1343
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,640
have a big earthquake and nobody knows

1344
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,040
what's going to happen next. So oftent

1345
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,920
times what we try to do um in all types

1346
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,200
of hazards planning is

1347
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,640
don't propose going down rabbit holes of

1348
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,920
the whatifs on top of each other. So

1349
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,000
when we talk about a hazard we try to

1350
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,960
break it down to its full component. We

1351
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,680
know that fire is a big concern. We want

1352
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,599
to make sure we can address fire. We

1353
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,119
also know that earthquake is a big

1354
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,839
concern. It's very very logical that the

1355
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:23,680
two of them together are an even bigger

1356
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,599
concern. And I think we can recognize

1357
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,720
that. What I'm uh what I caution a lot

1358
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,440
of communities is for them to say, well,

1359
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,040
I'm really worried about a traffic

1360
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,800
accident that turns into a hazardous

1361
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,400
material spill that turns into

1362
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,319
evacuation, right? And so what we want

1363
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:40,720
to do is we want to break our elements

1364
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,400
and and the the components of our

1365
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,640
hazards down to their kind of core

1366
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,920
components. So that way you can easily

1367
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,799
add them up as you're going through the

1368
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,799
emergency management planning process.

1369
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:56,799
Because what's best suited for the fire

1370
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,680
after an earthquake hazard is for you to

1371
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,559
actually have um an annex to your

1372
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,799
emergency operations plan that talks

1373
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:07,119
about after an earthquake, what are we

1374
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,079
doing specifically as an organization.

1375
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,480
We can definitely put a policy or two

1376
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,160
in, but you already should have the

1377
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,240
building blocks with the earthquake and

1378
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,559
with the fire policies. And if we miss

1379
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:19,760
something that you're concerned about

1380
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,880
from an earthquake and a fire

1381
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,440
perspective,

1382
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,640
>> I don't think you're answering my

1383
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,359
question.

1384
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:24,720
>> Um, okay. So then,

1385
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,359
>> how much trouble would it be to add that

1386
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:27,680
element?

1387
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,359
>> I I've already answered that question.

1388
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:31,599
It's not difficult to add more

1389
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,160
information or context about that, but

1390
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,400
trying to create a whole entire hazards

1391
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,880
discussion on that specific thing, I

1392
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,960
would not recommend.

1393
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,599
So adding a discussion under earthquake

1394
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,599
that we have to be concerned about fire

1395
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,240
after earthquake is something that we

1396
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,480
can add to the element if you want to

1397
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,359
also identify in the fire section. One

1398
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:57,839
of the largest uh vulnerabilities for

1399
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:00,000
fire is fire occurring after an

1400
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,520
earthquake. We can definitely add that

1401
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,440
to the if you want to create a whole

1402
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,680
entire new section. That's probably a

1403
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,359
little bit more work because now we're

1404
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:10,319
getting into that scenario planning that

1405
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:12,079
safety elements were never designed to

1406
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:12,480
do.

1407
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,839
>> Thank you.

1408
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:15,040
>> Great. So, I'd like to remind people

1409
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,119
it's six almost six o'clock. Let's try

1410
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:18,960
to keep this section just to clarifying

1411
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,079
questions. I feel like we're starting to

1412
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,160
dive into kind of process. So, if we

1413
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,720
just keep it to questions about the

1414
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,559
presentation, we're going to come back.

1415
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:27,920
You can still ask questions. This is the

1416
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,000
last chance to ask questions, but let's

1417
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,040
not sort of use all of this time up. So,

1418
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,240
um, Lind, did you have any clarifying

1419
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,480
questions?

1420
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,160
>> I have a clarifying question. I have

1421
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,839
oodles of comments. So, like you, I'm

1422
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:40,079
anxious to get to that, but you made a

1423
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,079
comment to the effect that this is not

1424
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:46,160
an action document. How do you read the

1425
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,319
state code that requires us to put

1426
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:50,480
implementation measures?

1427
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880
>> Those are actions. Those are specific

1428
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,280
actions.

1429
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,680
>> Yeah. implementation measure or actions

1430
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,440
but that's not an action that you can do

1431
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,400
tomorrow in some like putting a padlock

1432
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,400
on a fence and making sure that that

1433
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,559
gate cannot open or close I can do that

1434
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:06,480
tomorrow and somebody is a little bit

1435
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,880
safer the implementation actions in a

1436
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,960
general plan were never designed to be

1437
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,559
something that you can take on tomorrow

1438
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,799
check it off and and move on because

1439
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:17,599
we're talking about larger systemic

1440
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,520
issues that you have as a community

1441
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,960
understanding your hazards and then

1442
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,400
understanding how do you solve the

1443
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:22,960
problem

1444
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880
>> associ associated with those hazards. I

1445
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,400
understand but I think that's a much

1446
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,000
different thing than what you said to

1447
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,160
say that this is not an action enforcing

1448
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,240
document because those implementation

1449
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,960
measures are necessary

1450
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,720
>> of locations and those are specific

1451
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,200
actions

1452
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,599
>> put the implementation actions in I

1453
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,400
think maybe I misspoke and what I was

1454
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,119
trying to but this is not immediate

1455
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,040
action it's not something that happens

1456
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,680
immediately it will take time

1457
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,520
>> well no planning general plan element

1458
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,760
happens immediately. So that's why it

1459
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,520
was particularly disturbing. Thank you.

1460
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,720
That's my only comment.

1461
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,119
>> Thank you, Ellen.

1462
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,040
>> Great. Thank you.

1463
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,559
>> I do have a couple of questions. Um for

1464
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,599
those folks who, you know, who are super

1465
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,359
busy. Um, I didn't see an executive

1466
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:17,119
summary type uh

1467
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,720
situation in the front or any type of

1468
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,240
uh, you know, quick and dirty

1469
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,760
thing, you know, something that people

1470
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,559
could read in their three minutes

1471
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:29,680
situation.

1472
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,440
>> Most of the time, general planning

1473
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,599
elements do not have.

1474
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,160
>> Okay, that was what I wanted to know.

1475
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,280
Um, thank you. Next question. In terms

1476
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,200
um of I don't about the impact of sea

1477
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,640
level rise. Um I don't see anything in

1478
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,480
here about our wastewater infrastructure

1479
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,640
that is on the San Francisco Bay that's

1480
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,680
cited in the San Monteo County sea level

1481
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,880
rise vulnerability assessment of 2018.

1482
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,720
The Silicon It's the Silicon Valley

1483
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,720
clean water wastewater treatment plant.

1484
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Mhm.

1485
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,000
>> Is was that because it's not in the town

1486
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,559
boundaries? Like

1487
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,720
>> so oftentimes what we really are

1488
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,640
balancing is what do you have control

1489
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,319
over versus what you don't have control

1490
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,960
over. But I think we reference that sea

1491
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,280
level rise is still a concern because of

1492
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,200
infrastructure that the town relies on

1493
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,760
outside. So I think that's a a great

1494
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:22,720
thing you could add.

1495
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,079
>> Great. Thank you. Um, and also just to

1496
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,480
be clear about council member Hefty or

1497
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,559
excuse me, Vice Mayor Hefty, what um, in

1498
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,880
terms of the cascading effects, I take

1499
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,520
it that we don't have cascading effects

1500
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,359
because of the rabbit hole situation.

1501
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:40,640
So, fire with an earthquake, flooding,

1502
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,240
you do reference flooding with an

1503
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,200
evacuation route, but are those all

1504
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,760
usually saved for the annex crosswalk

1505
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,559
situation?

1506
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,640
>> That would usually be uh, you would want

1507
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,480
to use that from an emergency planning

1508
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,720
perspective. However, um we have

1509
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,559
incorporated some text in the past that

1510
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,440
talks about how ads are have cascading

1511
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,200
effects. I think it's very very

1512
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,480
appropriate to put an add.

1513
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,960
>> Great. Thank you. Um and then last

1514
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,720
question. I noticed that quite a few of

1515
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,359
the maps weren't it said would be

1516
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,720
updated. Um could you explain that

1517
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,839
situation?

1518
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,839
>> We're waiting on some additional data

1519
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,839
from the townologist apparently they

1520
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:21,920
were going to an update as well. So we

1521
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,400
wanted to time it to make sure once

1522
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,640
their maps were fully updated, we could

1523
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,960
then incorporate the data shouldn't or

1524
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,720
the map shouldn't change significantly,

1525
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,319
but we would just wanted to make sure

1526
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:34,400
that there was a footnote that there's

1527
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,680
potential for that.

1528
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,440
>> Okay, great. Those are my questions.

1529
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,480
Thank you.

1530
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480
>> Thank you, Nicholas.

1531
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,390
>> Yeah, EDIC. Uh, three questions. is

1532
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,599
are the uh elements that are included in

1533
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,400
here meant to be self-executing? There

1534
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,000
are words like enforce, ensure

1535
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,520
that our command things that need to be

1536
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,799
done. That is and that creates legal

1537
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:07,599
obligations both for residents and also

1538
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,720
creates an obligation and potentially a

1539
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,799
duty on the part of the uh town. And so

1540
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,119
if they're not performed then there's a

1541
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,000
question of what that means.

1542
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,440
>> Yes. Are the are the

1543
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,799
are those is that language meant to be

1544
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:28,960
self-executing

1545
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,599
>> the policies and actions when their

1546
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:35,520
account responsibility or account is

1547
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,680
trying to oversee uh or or uh prevents

1548
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,240
uh open condition. We're trying to use

1549
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,160
the right language to make sure that happens. Right? We will often have

1550
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,240
a policy says don't put homes in flood

1551
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,240
plane. So we want to make sure that

1552
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,160
you're enforcing flood regulations to

1553
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,440
make sure the homes don't get put in the

1554
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,160
flood plane. That policy should be kind

1555
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,319
of self-regulated. You would have

1556
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,160
essentially have somebody, you know,

1557
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,520
submitting an application to the

1558
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,920
planning department and their home is

1559
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,200
smack dab in the middle of the flood

1560
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,880
plane. Well, you can then reference that

1561
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,119
policy basically does not allow us to do

1562
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,280
that. You need to go home. So that's

1563
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,440
really the intent of of how the policies

1564
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,000
are written is really to help staff as

1565
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,640
well as appointing elected officials

1566
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,960
when they're getting projects across

1567
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,640
their debts that are not meeting the

1568
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,280
standard.

1569
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,520
That answer your question in part. Um so

1570
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,079
there are examples in which there said

1571
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:38,720
to minimize risk or to limit the

1572
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,960
potential of uh create a low-risk

1573
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,200
condition that are

1574
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,599
uh

1575
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,319
not uh that that are discretionary in

1576
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:55,839
nature. And it says that the town shall

1577
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:59,839
do this and that the residents shall

1578
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,880
presumably comply.

1579
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,119
So it looks like kind of a

1580
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,920
ordinance kind of direction being

1581
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,599
included in a am I am I reading that

1582
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,119
correctly or

1583
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,280
>> is regulatory

1584
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,200
>> but words like enforce and ensure

1585
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:21,760
>> right

1586
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,119
>> create specific obligations they are

1587
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:26,400
execut

1588
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,880
>> right and so we're we're saying force

1589
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,440
hopefully we we've uh captured that

1590
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,000
we're enforcing either an existing law

1591
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,640
that's on the books or in code uh or

1592
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,160
enforcing you know state statute uh you

1593
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,240
know and often times what we have to do

1594
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,720
is we have to understand that we maybe

1595
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,680
misjudged on the right whether it was

1596
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,559
informed or not um and so that's partly

1597
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:54,799
what we also would hope council member

1598
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:58,400
as you do your review doesn't mesh with

1599
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,480
the long standard that or or tradition

1600
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,520
that we've

1601
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,520
where we're not enforcing this. This is

1602
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,839
somebody else that enforces it. So, we need an outcome of it. So, um but

1603
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:10,400
yes, you're right. At some point when

1604
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,839
you say a word like require, you know,

1605
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:16,720
that is basically you've got skin in the

1606
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,000
game that you're making sure somebody's

1607
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,760
doing something or what they say.

1608
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,920
>> So, when you're using words and I and I

1609
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,400
apologize for the time. Uh so when

1610
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,720
you're using words like enforce, shall

1611
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,200
require.

1612
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,480
>> So it's like law.

1613
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,799
>> We that should refer to a that is law.

1614
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:41,760
But th those are that those that's

1615
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,480
regulatory language. But what you're

1616
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,440
saying is that should refer to a

1617
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,799
specific existing obligation or and if

1618
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:57,760
it has this kind of more nebulous to

1619
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,520
create a low-risk condition

1620
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,640
uh is without reference to any

1621
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,520
statutory. Is that supposed to be I is

1622
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,960
that should we be identifying areas

1623
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,559
where you're using executive language

1624
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,079
without referencing a statute?

1625
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,079
Um, in some cases you don't have to

1626
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,880
actually reference a set to apply that

1627
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,160
policy as a a rule, right? So

1628
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,720
>> to apply I'm sorry to apply it as a

1629
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:31,440
rule,

1630
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,720
>> a rule or a law or a requirement, right?

1631
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,280
So um if you're not going to allow homes

1632
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,039
in the flood plane, you can have a

1633
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,039
policy don't allow homes in the flood

1634
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,400
plane. Um, you can then also reference

1635
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,760
your flood management ordinance, but you

1636
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,559
don't have to reference the ordinance at

1637
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:51,440
the same time.

1638
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,440
>> There's language in here that seems to

1639
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,200
create obligations out of full clock.

1640
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,799
that are central for that.

1641
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:03,920
>> And and in that context, that seems like

1642
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,799
it's a self-executing

1643
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:11,680
direction that isn't in reference to any

1644
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,000
existing law. It may be a really good

1645
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,200
idea. I'm just trying to understand

1646
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,640
whether this Hey, Linda, please

1647
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,160
respectful

1648
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,960
is the qu the qu the question the

1649
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,640
question is is it

1650
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,440
is the language in here supposed to

1651
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,359
create new obligations on individuals

1652
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,319
and on the town

1653
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,480
>> on some cases. In some cases it might.

1654
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,760
Yeah.

1655
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,920
and and those obligations may be backed

1656
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,079
by changes to safe.

1657
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:46,880
>> Yeah.

1658
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,920
>> So do we have uh is is there is there

1659
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,720
inclusion of costs that are associated

1660
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:53,200
with this?

1661
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,520
>> So often times the safety element will

1662
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,680
not include the costs associated with

1663
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,520
that. That's partly why we wanted to

1664
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,960
have a study session that we could help

1665
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,000
you all get up to speed on what's in

1666
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,760
there and then you could start taking a

1667
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,160
look at it because there are some policy

1668
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,039
ramifications that you'll have to take a

1669
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:15,760
look at as a the governing body.

1670
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,239
>> Thank you.

1671
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,560
>> All right. Thank you. All right. So, I'd

1672
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,080
like to open it up for public comment.

1673
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,600
Then we'll bring it back. We continue.

1674
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,279
Again, this is a study session, so we're

1675
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:26,400
going to continue to have questions,

1676
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,199
discussions. Um, but with that, let me

1677
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,359
go online. So, the first one is Zoom

1678
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:36,789
user, which I think is still Dana.

1679
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,319
» Can you hear me? No,

1680
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,000
>> I can. Well, yeah, we can hear you.

1681
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,520
>> Good. Um, so I mean, I hope the

1682
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,400
obligations change as we learn more. I

1683
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,120
mean, I went to the geology meeting the

1684
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,839
other night and before we do anything, I

1685
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:53,759
feel like I need to understand what are

1686
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,960
the slip rates on the on the San Andreas

1687
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,839
fault on the peninsula. Nothing has

1688
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:02,560
changed in years and that needs to be

1689
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,960
studied and we need to understand that

1690
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,120
for our evacuations.

1691
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,520
I I still feel like we're in the total

1692
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,159
beginning of all of this and and I think

1693
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,759
that puts us in danger if we are not up

1694
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:18,159
to speed on all of this stuff. So, here

1695
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:21,520
comes our our own geology committee last

1696
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,719
week who puts forward this this talk and

1697
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,520
it was very compelling and upsetting.

1698
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,560
So, I hope that we um we look into all

1699
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,759
of this stuff, the the the uh the

1700
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:36,960
geology committee and I also think that

1701
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,319
the staff needs to hear from residents

1702
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,000
of the town because I don't think they

1703
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,719
have the institutional knowledge yet of

1704
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:47,759
what we what we understand about our

1705
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:51,520
safety. Okay. Thank you.

1706
01:09:51,520 --> 01:10:02,870
>> Thank you, Dana and Jay.

1707
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,239
Go ahead, MJ.

1708
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,040
>> Oh, okay. So, first of all, Erin, I

1709
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,360
think it's Erin. Uh, if you could speak

1710
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,920
into the microphone a little closer. I

1711
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,560
was really having trouble hearing you.

1712
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,560
Um,

1713
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,040
so my first question is when is the

1714
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,360
safety element due? I think you said

1715
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,760
that your your goal is to get it turned

1716
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,760
over. uh by September, October. But but

1717
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,640
is there actually a due date

1718
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,360
from the state?

1719
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,440
>> So NJ, this is your chance to comment.

1720
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,560
Um it's not a question period. So if

1721
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,320
>> other commissioners or council want to

1722
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,000
answer ask those same questions, but

1723
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,679
from you, I'm just looking for your

1724
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:44,960
general comments.

1725
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,360
>> Okay. So, um, one comment I have is that

1726
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,920
to review the safety element as a Brown

1727
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,920
Act committee, the wildfire committee

1728
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,400
needs to put this on our agenda for next

1729
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,480
Thursday. So I put a ad hoc subcommittee

1730
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,040
together but basically we only have 7 to

1731
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,400
10 days to review a thousand pages over

1732
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,679
seven documents because I have also told

1733
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:12,880
them that they need to look at the l uh

1734
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,000
Samontro County LHMP the local hazard

1735
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,040
mitigation plan that is currently under

1736
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,679
review on the Santo County website. So I

1737
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,760
kind of feel that the fact that this was

1738
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,800
given to us with such a short turnaround

1739
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,080
is almost like asking uh for just a

1740
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,600
rubber stamp or or complete uh ignorance

1741
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,040
from our committee. Uh another comment I

1742
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,199
have is that there are a ton of policies

1743
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,280
in this safety element. A lot of them

1744
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,920
are assigned to town departments and

1745
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,640
some aren't. I didn't understand why.

1746
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,520
And also I noted that only a few

1747
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,840
policies were actually assigned to

1748
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,719
responsible town committees and I think

1749
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:58,719
it would be nice, you know, we're here

1750
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,960
to serve you guys and if you guys give

1751
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,679
us responsibility for some of these

1752
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,239
policies, we would take that on. So I

1753
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:09,440
wanted to point that out. Thank you.

1754
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:14,400
>> Thank you, MJ. Anybody else online?

1755
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,320
All right. Going once, going twice. All

1756
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:17,440
right. So we'll go to schoolhouse.

1757
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,600
Anyone in the schoolhouse?

1758
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:26,229
Rita,

1759
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,960
thank you. Uh just a clarification in

1760
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,719
referring to budget, are we talking

1761
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:33,840
about the cost of contractors to revise

1762
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,360
the contracts to the paperwork or

1763
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,000
implementation of the things that are on

1764
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,600
the list? you know, uh I really hope

1765
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,440
that we have an opportunity, the

1766
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:46,560
different committees, the different

1767
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,040
residents have an opportunity to review

1768
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,000
the updated maps and updated

1769
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,840
information. When this process first

1770
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,800
started, that was during COVID. That was

1771
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,719
a different council. It was a different

1772
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:00,400
planning commission. You know, there

1773
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,199
weren't AI companies. There was it was a

1774
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,080
different life five years ago. And you

1775
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,159
know, people keep referring to different

1776
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,120
meetings in the past. We even have I

1777
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,159
think we're on our third or fourth um

1778
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,640
town manager.

1779
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,640
So, it's different people and I think we

1780
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,320
need to look at the current information

1781
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,440
that we have and uh we've been promised

1782
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,760
that this was going to be done every

1783
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,800
October for the past 5 years. Yeah,

1784
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,040
October. It's going to happen in October

1785
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,520
and promised and so it just seems a

1786
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,760
shame to rush it because it means so

1787
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,040
much to our town right now. You know,

1788
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,000
there was a what 7.8 earthquake the

1789
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,760
other day in one place, a 6.1 in Cuba

1790
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,239
that affected Florida.

1791
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,719
We're not prepared. And we were also

1792
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:53,840
promised that the safety element should

1793
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,320
have gone or was going to happen before

1794
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,960
the housing element, but instead all the

1795
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,360
resources of the town were put in for

1796
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,520
the housing element. And there are

1797
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,040
things there were lots of comments and

1798
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,480
we could have saved a lot of money on

1799
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,159
the housing element if the safety

1800
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:12,159
element had come first. And uh my other

1801
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:15,760
comment is about the

1802
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,840
uh section five that's talking about the

1803
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,800
storm drains. I've been part of a lot of

1804
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,120
the budget discussions on Zoom or in

1805
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,560
person and we're behind on getting that

1806
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,960
done that mandated item done because we

1807
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,360
don't have the money. But here it is in

1808
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,040
the safety element saying that we're

1809
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,080
going to do it. How are we going to sign

1810
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,239
off on things that we say are important

1811
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,080
to us that we're going to do and we

1812
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,120
can't even do them on a regular basis?

1813
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,239
So, I really hope that we take the time

1814
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,320
to review the document, have an

1815
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,239
opportunity for our committees and

1816
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,719
current residents because a lot of

1817
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,400
residents have changed in the past five

1818
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,920
years and help them understand why this

1819
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,920
is important.

1820
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:04,000
Thank you for listening. Thank you.

1821
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,719
>> Right. Anyone else in the schoolhouse?

1822
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:13,669
>> Kim, please.

1823
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:17,120
» Good evening everyone. Um, so like Rita

1824
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,360
was saying, new staff, new people.

1825
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,040
>> You might just introduce yourself.

1826
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:21,440
Sorry.

1827
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,360
>> Not everybody knows, especially people

1828
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:24,080
online.

1829
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,080
>> Sorry. It's Kim Giuli, division chief

1830
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,760
and fire marshall with Woodside Fire

1831
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:33,920
Protection District. So when I came on, on the 2023 draft and it

1832
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,400
towards the tail end of my predecessor

1833
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,320
and at that time there was a lot of back

1834
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,400
and forth on the safety element back

1835
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,960
then. It went to legal proceedings and a

1836
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,400
legal agreement was reached between

1837
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,679
Woodside Fire and the town staff to

1838
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:52,560
develop an agreement on a work plan. And

1839
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,000
it went to be called the work plan. Um

1840
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,320
13 key approaches to fire safety and

1841
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,640
seven requests of mitigations.

1842
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,199
And so with this draft of the safety

1843
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:05,280
element, I reviewed the entire safety

1844
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,040
element. I am happy to see the amount of

1845
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,560
progress and it makes sense that you

1846
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,600
used the Calires because in the language

1847
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,760
that was used, it made sense where it

1848
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,840
needed to. So, it's nice to see that was followed to some. But in

1849
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,239
Woodside Fire, we're very unique and we

1850
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:26,080
have a lot more ordinances and um

1851
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,239
Woodside Fire has a lot of blankets that

1852
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,400
affect all of the district, not just a

1853
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,560
part of it, and it's more restrictive

1854
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,320
than state law. So, I am submitting

1855
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,880
through the link that was provided um

1856
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,199
because I do have a long list of

1857
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,320
comments because I did um I did go over

1858
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,960
each of the 18 items. Some of the items

1859
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,600
were completely met in this reddraft.

1860
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,280
Some of them are partially met. They

1861
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,080
just maybe need some language addition,

1862
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,640
some um some things that maybe were not

1863
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,360
met. So, I will be submitting that for

1864
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,280
you all to review. I also have some

1865
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,159
recommendations on some rewrites as well

1866
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:06,080
as there is some information in there

1867
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,960
that I found that um was not accurate

1868
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,199
and maybe just needs to be revisited.

1869
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:12,719
So, just wanted to let you all know

1870
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,080
that's been completed and will be

1871
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,920
submitted today with the link.

1872
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,320
>> Great.

1873
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:16,880
>> Thank you.

1874
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,199
Kim.

1875
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:29,750
>> Great. Nan

1876
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,679
safety element. I've been working on

1877
01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:34,800
this for four years since June. Can you

1878
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,440
hear?

1879
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:35,920
>> No,

1880
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,040
>> you can't hear me

1881
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,000
>> there.

1882
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,239
>> Oh, okay. I've been working on this

1883
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:44,400
since June 2022. It has been four years.

1884
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,400
Um,

1885
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,600
I hope town council members and planning

1886
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,320
commission members that you

1887
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,400
agree with me that this is a document

1888
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,280
that's more than just check the boxes

1889
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,920
and turn it into the state to meet uh

1890
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,239
statutory requirements. This is a

1891
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,800
document that controls should be

1892
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,280
controlling what the town does to keep

1893
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,800
itself safe. It's it to me it's it's

1894
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,760
much more personal than just satisfying

1895
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:21,040
the state laws and you know putting in all the all the

1896
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,280
requirements.

1897
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,400
Okay, that said um I think that this

1898
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,520
draft in 2026 reads much more smoothly

1899
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,400
than the 2022 draft. So thank you for

1900
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,679
that. It's much much more readable. Um,

1901
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,080
I like it better just generally the

1902
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,040
organization is better. It's clearer.

1903
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,960
Um, I think a lot of that comes from

1904
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,719
taking the third level of detail, the

1905
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,960
implementation actions out of the

1906
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,719
document itself and putting them in the

1907
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:52,080
appendix. So that that was a good good

1908
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,239
call. I find that a lot of the comments

1909
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,080
we made in 2022 are in that list. So

1910
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,000
they're in the document, but you don't

1911
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,880
see them um in the body. That's fine.

1912
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,679
Um for the geologic hazard section in

1913
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:10,000
particular, um we've been going through

1914
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,679
it pretty carefully and we found um

1915
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:16,480
quite a few inaccuracies, misstatements

1916
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:19,040
which we will point out. So we're going

1917
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,120
to make some detailed

1918
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,719
um detailed comp comments.

1919
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:26,640
Uh we will note them and make

1920
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,440
suggestions for changes.

1921
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,920
Um,

1922
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,080
one thing I will mention is a set of

1923
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,719
geologic maps which I find, you know, I

1924
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:38,640
know those maps intimately, but I find

1925
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,199
going from one to the other very

1926
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:44,640
confusing. Um

1927
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,679
uh and you mentioned the LHMP, the local

1928
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:51,360
hazard mitigation plan that captures the

1929
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,320
seismic hazard of the town much better

1930
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,920
than

1931
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,360
um CGS or USGS. So um I would like to

1932
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,080
look um in more detail and have more

1933
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,719
detail from LHMP in the um in the safety

1934
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,199
element in the uh seismic hazard

1935
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,070
section.

1936
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,800
uh for cascading hazards. Yes. Uh you

1937
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,679
mentioned it once at least in geological

1938
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,400
hazard section, but it's so important in

1939
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,560
this town because all we have to do is

1940
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,719
have a large earthquake. Oops, I've gone

1941
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:30,320
over time. Sorry. Um we get a fire, we

1942
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,880
have to evacuate, we get landslides, we

1943
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:40,320
get liquefaction. It's it's a very real threat here and it's sort of

1944
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,880
glossed over and I would like to find a

1945
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,000
way to um to say more about that. I'm

1946
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,760
not sure how you do that.

1947
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,520
>> So Nan, I'm going to have to ask you to

1948
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:50,000
stop.

1949
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:50,480
>> Yeah.

1950
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:51,440
>> Great. Thank you.

1951
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:52,800
>> Thank you.

1952
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,280
>> Right. Anyone else in the schoolhouse?

1953
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,640
All right. So with that, I'm going to

1954
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,640
bring it back to the council and the

1955
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,960
commission. Um, Linda, do you wanna, you

1956
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,199
know, we've got roughly a half hour, so

1957
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,280
that means we have roughly three minutes

1958
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,800
per um do you want to run through your

1959
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,000
commissioners?

1960
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,120
>> That sounds good.

1961
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:13,600
>> Thank you.

1962
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,440
>> Uh, I'll go through them uh

1963
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:17,040
alphabetically, which means that we

1964
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:26,080
start with me. Um, I've I've written nations laws. I've written

1965
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,239
the nuclear waste laws that apply to

1966
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,760
this nation. They've all been challenged

1967
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,360
and they've all been substained. I've

1968
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,960
written hazardous waste loves and

1969
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,760
nuclear waste laws. And um my point is

1970
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,560
this is so far away from anything that I

1971
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,560
would like to see go on our code that

1972
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,480
it's hard to know where to start. I have

1973
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:47,360
comments on every single page where I

1974
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,679
think the language has been sort of

1975
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:52,480
careless or or inexact. And I think

1976
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,000
these are topics where you have to be

1977
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,000
very exact. There are some areas that

1978
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,440
are very exact but I mean for example

1979
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,199
the first line says it's an affluent

1980
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,880
community unnecessary. Who decided that?

1981
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,000
Why did you include it? Uh I can go to

1982
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,000
page uh and these may be details but

1983
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,840
it's it's it's a point that's made

1984
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,400
throughout the document. You have a page

1985
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,840
37 a table that says hazards safety

1986
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,480
risk. I always my eyeballs always pop

1987
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,960
open when I see a slash. It's a hazard

1988
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,840
list. I don't know why you called safety

1989
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,840
in there. It's just inexact. I don't

1990
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,480
know what the slash means. Just examples

1991
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:34,000
of situations like that. Uh I'm going to

1992
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,920
have a bigger comment here. Uh for

1993
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,920
example, I know the law requires you to

1994
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,360
mention military uh activities. Mention

1995
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,840
um and I could pull up the page uh

1996
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,400
Moffett Field. I'm not sure that Moffett

1997
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,239
Field is still functional to begin with

1998
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,080
in any way that's relevant, but in any

1999
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,679
case, then you add another paragraph

2000
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:53,679
about, well, maybe Muffetfield would

2001
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:56,960
help us to me that those kinds of

2002
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,760
comments make this very unfocused and

2003
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,840
very difficult for a user or the town or

2004
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,560
anybody else to evaluate it. Which

2005
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,800
brings me to my second comment. Um,

2006
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,800
I feel like you've missed the boat in a

2007
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,280
few major areas. I I just got back from

2008
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,880
a trip where we were on and off boats

2009
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,400
and I think of how you know when the

2010
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,080
boat's there and you step out and you

2011
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,239
hope the boat's not going to bounce away

2012
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,320
so you fall in the water. I kind of feel

2013
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,679
like you're close to falling in the

2014
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:28,239
water on a couple of things. The point

2015
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,639
here when you write a law or you write a

2016
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:33,040
rule or you write a brief is you figure

2017
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,520
out what your point is and then you make

2018
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,440
it and you can make a paragraph. The

2019
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,679
lovely thing about a computer is you can

2020
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:40,960
write that paragraph. Well, we're a

2021
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,280
bunch of guinea pigs here in a town

2022
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,239
that's got earthquakes, fire, every

2023
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,639
natural disaster you can imagine with

2024
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:51,280
only two roads in and out. And we're

2025
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:52,880
like the guinea pigs that are rolling

2026
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,560
around on the little wheel. But we're

2027
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,679
not going to be on the wheel. We're

2028
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,679
going to be stuck on the road. So the

2029
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:00,400
thing that really gets lost here is the

2030
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,719
fact that the most important thing for

2031
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:06,239
this town is your job to educate which

2032
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:08,800
is part of the safety element and your

2033
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,639
job to inform which is part of the

2034
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,960
safety element but then your job to set

2035
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,800
the goals and the implementation

2036
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,840
measures really only focus on one thing

2037
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,840
I'm overexaggerating to make my point

2038
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,520
which is evacuation. Um, so moving on,

2039
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,800
um, just a little bit from that point.

2040
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,320
Um, I love all the figures, but they all

2041
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,239
use a different base map. I can't even

2042
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,560
tell you where the town lines are.

2043
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,639
There's mistakes in the figures. I live

2044
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:39,679
in Porto Valley Ranch. It's not a county

2045
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:41,440
park. It happens to be private land,

2046
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,800
although other people might think

2047
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,840
otherwise. Um, I think there's a failure

2048
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,480
to make really important judgments.

2049
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,560
Let's look for example at figure two.

2050
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,360
And I I will I will stop in one more

2051
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,120
minute, Craig, but I just want to get

2052
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,120
the point across that my points that I

2053
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,760
have on every single comment. Figure two

2054
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,719
treats the the area I think it's where

2055
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:04,400
Nicholas lives over there in the upper

2056
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,360
left and the ranch the same way as it

2057
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,760
treats a culde-sac off of Westridge

2058
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,159
where there's one house. If you were to

2059
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:14,159
talk about evacuation, you need to

2060
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,280
figure out how to get the four the 200

2061
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,080
households at the ranch, which is 20% of

2062
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,159
the town's population, and these other

2063
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:25,360
ones over there off of Portola Road out

2064
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,280
of town. That's a whole lot different

2065
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,199
from getting two people who live on a

2066
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,360
street

2067
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:32,960
that that's the only house on the

2068
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,280
street. So, I think that the the failure

2069
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,520
to kind of do a more detailed analysis

2070
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,080
here to me is a missed opportunity. And

2071
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,920
then the final point I will make is that

2072
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,600
putting all these definitions in here

2073
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,440
are really nice, but you haven't used

2074
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:47,120
incorporation by reference. You haven't

2075
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,280
used appendices. Who needs to have all

2076
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:50,800
these definitions? What you really need

2077
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,400
is to get to the guts of it, which is

2078
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,960
your evaluation and your I'm out of

2079
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,159
time. I know, but uh uh I want to paint

2080
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,000
that picture. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2081
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
>> You're welcome. That was so hopefully

2082
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,679
you'll keep your Yeah, that was your

2083
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:04,880
five. And you're supposed to have

2084
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:05,760
minutes, right? You're supposed to have

2085
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,159
three.

2086
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:07,520
>> Oh, okay. Oh, I'm sorry.

2087
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,440
>> Yeah, we're down to three. So, if you

2088
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:09,760
could

2089
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,159
>> Ronnie will be next.

2090
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,199
>> Um, I I did send some comments to staff

2091
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:16,480
late last night. Did those make their

2092
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:17,840
way to you? Is that the best way to

2093
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:18,159
comment?

2094
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,480
>> Yeah, we I I already reviewed um your

2095
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,560
comments and I appreciate the the detail

2096
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:23,360
that you provided.

2097
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:30,800
>> Okay, great. Uh so, yeah, I guess the main kind of policy one I wanted to

2098
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,560
raise was this policy S3.2 two uh which

2099
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,480
is about construction

2100
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,800
um in a fault zone setback and

2101
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,360
specifically the San Andreas fault zone.

2102
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:47,280
Um the policy after that 3.3 is um about

2103
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,679
construction in in other fault zones I I

2104
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:52,639
think not outside of San Andreas and 3.3

2105
01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:55,360
kind of um allows for construction when

2106
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,880
there's you know uh uh studies and

2107
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,000
mitigation measures etc. But but 3.2 two

2108
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,560
in the San Andreas fault zone seemingly

2109
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,600
like completely disallows um

2110
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,600
construction and uh I mean I I believe

2111
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,040
that would be a significant change from

2112
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,040
what we currently have in place and you

2113
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,199
know we do have properties that are

2114
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:23,600
completely covered by um sort of these setbacks and so I I don't know if

2115
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,960
you want to briefly respond is is

2116
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,840
>> I read I read your comments uh and I

2117
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,199
agree that there is a little bit

2118
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:32,960
ambiguity. One of the things I want to

2119
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,199
do is I want to take a look at the

2120
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,360
previous element that um that's

2121
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,280
currently adopted just to verify that we

2122
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,600
weren't reusing language. We may have

2123
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,239
repurposed an existing policy and that

2124
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:46,239
might be where there's that inongruity.

2125
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:48,880
The other thing too is we also uh

2126
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,239
coordinating with the town geologists

2127
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:51,920
and making sure that the town geologist

2128
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,360
is comfortable with language. So, we'll

2129
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,040
bring up your comments as well with the

2130
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,400
town geologist just to make sure that um

2131
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,560
we're capturing that because I I do

2132
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,800
agree with what you're saying. It seems

2133
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,320
like we're using a different standard

2134
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,159
when one standard probably is more than

2135
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,760
adequate, but we want to verify with the

2136
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:08,880
town geologist.

2137
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,360
>> Okay. Okay. Great. Yeah. So the main

2138
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,920
comment is um you know I think we you

2139
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,159
know we want to disallow unsafe building

2140
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:18,960
but if there are studies and mitigation

2141
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,159
measures I think that we should you know

2142
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:24,159
accommodate that since we do have many

2143
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:26,239
faults running through the town.

2144
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:27,760
>> Um

2145
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,679
that was kind of the main substantial

2146
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,080
one. Um

2147
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,920
uh I I did um

2148
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,080
so me many of the policies like in 3.5

2149
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,840
and in 5.6 um are identified as being

2150
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,600
part of the public works department and

2151
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,639
maybe I just don't understand our what

2152
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,800
our public works department does but to

2153
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,960
me it seemed like they were outside of

2154
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,880
the scope of what I understood them to

2155
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,199
do. like for example

2156
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:59,840
kind of almost negotiating across

2157
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,440
utility companies, Woodside Fire

2158
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:03,840
Protection District, neighboring towns,

2159
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,239
etc. Um, maintaining development

2160
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:10,320
standards. Um, so yeah, I guess m maybe

2161
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,280
just review if the public works

2162
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,120
department is really the right agency or

2163
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,639
>> Yeah, planning and I are going to take a

2164
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,000
look at those comments and then we'll

2165
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,159
also touch base with public works.

2166
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,719
>> I'm sorry, but I'm got a gun to my head.

2167
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:27,120
That's four minutes.

2168
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,440
>> That That was three. Veronica, can I ask

2169
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:30,960
that you just put up the timer? That'll

2170
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:37,350
I think help everybody through.

2171
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,840
» Ronnie, Doug, going alphabetically here.

2172
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,480
>> Uh I will go under my time. Uh

2173
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,000
>> thank you.

2174
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,280
I just have a like a general question

2175
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,080
that that I think goes similar to Linda

2176
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,639
in the this seems daunting to me for the

2177
01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:59,280
town to accomplish all of this. Um, and

2178
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,239
so my general question is how does this

2179
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,560
compare to the minimum that the state

2180
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,679
requires and then what is being added on

2181
01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:09,760
in top of that because that's unique to

2182
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,320
our community and as then it relates to

2183
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,040
the implementation actions.

2184
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,360
It feels to me like there should be some

2185
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,880
prioritization

2186
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,280
of these because I think the chance of a

2187
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,239
flood is a lot less than a fire. And so

2188
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:27,920
maybe that's where we should be spending

2189
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,239
our time and directing our resources. Or

2190
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:32,000
maybe that's not a good example, but you

2191
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,159
get the idea. We as a community should

2192
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:37,679
decide on what our priorities priorities

2193
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,679
are and and realize that we have a

2194
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,679
limited set of resources to get those

2195
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:43,600
done and that should be reflected in

2196
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,320
this document somehow. And if I'm just

2197
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,320
clarifying when you say ad daunting, are

2198
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,080
you talking about the scope of all of

2199
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,760
the goals, policies, and actions that

2200
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,679
are in the element or the entire element

2201
01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:55,360
itself?

2202
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,320
>> Uh the goals that are within the element

2203
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,440
which then translate to Craigslist,

2204
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:03,840
which then becomes even bigger.

2205
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,159
>> Yeah. Uh and sorry to laugh when you

2206
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:10,159
said Craigslist. I was I went to

2207
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:12,080
>> sell everything. But to to answer the

2208
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,840
question from a priority perspective,

2209
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,679
the safety element is agnostic when it

2210
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:18,320
comes to priority. Not because one

2211
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,840
hazard is more or less important than

2212
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,679
the other, but because we want to give

2213
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:24,000
you as many tools as possible. What we

2214
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,760
want you then to be able to do as a

2215
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,320
community is that once it's adopted, you

2216
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,000
then decide which of the tools you want

2217
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,000
to pull out and start using the most

2218
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,120
because you have the greatest need. So

2219
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,920
with that, you we we're trying to give

2220
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,880
you as many ways for you to help your

2221
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,040
community with all of the various issues

2222
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,199
that we've identified.

2223
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:48,320
And then on an annual basis, that's when

2224
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,760
you're working with all of the town

2225
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,120
departments on what are some of the

2226
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,560
priorities and they're going to then

2227
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,560
look at the general plan implementation

2228
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,199
actions to to back and reinforce back up

2229
01:31:57,199 --> 01:31:59,360
and reinforce those priorities with oh,

2230
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,000
we have an action for this. we we we

2231
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,760
we're we're implementing this policy or

2232
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,000
action, you know, and that's that's what

2233
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,840
the the safety element is usually

2234
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,080
designed for. It doesn't mean that your

2235
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,679
community has to follow that. If you

2236
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:13,440
want to do something different, I know

2237
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,920
you have plans for an additional list or

2238
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,159
some other things, you have the the

2239
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:21,760
wherewithal to do that. So, but the

2240
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,320
safety element in and of itself is not

2241
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,920
intended to go ahead and start

2242
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,679
prioritizing things for you because we

2243
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:30,239
also know that communities issues change

2244
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:33,920
on an annual on a regular basis.

2245
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,840
So, the prioritization needs to come

2246
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,600
outside of the element. It needs to come

2247
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,159
as part of that annual process of upkeep

2248
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:41,679
to the elements.

2249
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:44,159
>> Okay.

2250
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:46,400
>> Uh, alphabetically, Nicholas, you're

2251
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:51,120
next. So building on those points and

2252
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,960
reverting back to the mandatory

2253
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,040
language, there are

2254
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:04,320
very many uh examples where the town

2255
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,159
shall do things shall will ensure will

2256
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,270
enforce

2257
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,600
placing obligations on the town. But I

2258
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,400
mean to your point,

2259
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,520
these aren't necessarily prioritized,

2260
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:26,790
but if there's a mandatory obligation,

2261
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,400
it um and if the language isn't as

2262
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:36,239
precise as it might be or could be, uh

2263
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:44,800
it feels as though there is a they're not policies to be implemented.

2264
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,719
But

2265
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:50,960
there are directions that we must take.

2266
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,920
But as you said, we don't necessarily

2267
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,920
want to take all of them because they

2268
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,400
may not be priorities. But if the

2269
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,719
language says that we shall do it or

2270
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:02,320
that we shall enforce it, it seems to

2271
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,400
cut against that. So I found that

2272
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,920
confusing.

2273
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:07,840
I also

2274
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,760
uh

2275
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,199
felt that a lot of it felt very

2276
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:13,920
bureaucratic you know and that's you

2277
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,080
know it's coming from a land use and

2278
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,120
environmental attorney

2279
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,920
but there's a

2280
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,480
operation and maintenance agreement that

2281
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,960
shall be enforced for vegetation

2282
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,040
management

2283
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,840
really. So, we're going to have for

2284
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,159
every new project or remodel, we're

2285
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:38,960
going to have an on andm agreement that

2286
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,560
is

2287
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,880
enforcable. It's like without

2288
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,440
description of what these things are and

2289
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,000
what the enforcement mechanisms

2290
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,840
very very very prescriptive.

2291
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,760
>> Some of it absolutely is prescriptive if

2292
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,159
I can jump in. Part of that, especially

2293
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,080
on the wildfire section, is because

2294
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:02,239
CalFire is looking for a lot of

2295
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:04,159
um or that they're asking for a lot of

2296
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:07,040
new requirements be incorporated into uh

2297
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,520
general plans as part of that uh CalFire

2298
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,840
review process. So like that operations

2299
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,600
and maintenance item that you're

2300
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,679
identifying, that's a CalFire thing.

2301
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:18,480
What they want to make sure is that you

2302
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:20,320
don't have a developer who comes in and

2303
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,440
says, "Hey, I'm going to build this

2304
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,840
development. uh we're going to do all

2305
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,920
this landscaping. Oh, and by the way,

2306
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,280
yeah, we forgot that we're not going to

2307
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:28,880
have set aside any money to actually

2308
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,199
maintain it. And so then what happens is

2309
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,960
because you don't have an operations and

2310
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,800
maintenance agreement, who gets stuck

2311
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,840
with the bill when that is overgrown and

2312
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,840
you're being told that it needs cut

2313
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,239
back? So that's the purpose behind that

2314
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:44,880
policy is that CalFire has learned over

2315
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,040
the years by not having that requirement

2316
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,960
on their own land that they want to

2317
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,960
start seeing a lot of cities in

2318
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,000
California that are under their program

2319
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
to start to incorporate that in as well

2320
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,760
because they've been burned as well.

2321
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,920
>> So they they have been burnt. the uh I I

2322
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,840
would just point out that rather than

2323
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,320
having prescriptive language or

2324
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,440
proscriptive language that one could

2325
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:13,120
have adopt an ordinance or consider

2326
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,159
adopting an ordinance to ensure the

2327
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,080
long-term

2328
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,400
uh sustainability

2329
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,679
and vegetation management to address

2330
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:28,560
fill in the blank rather than to have a

2331
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,560
mandatory new bureaucratic

2332
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,920
element that is

2333
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,360
using executive language in a general

2334
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,840
plan. And the problem we run into is

2335
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,840
unless that ordinance already exists and

2336
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,119
we haven't seen the comments from

2337
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,440
Woodside Fire Protection District, maybe

2338
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:49,040
they already have something that we

2339
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,360
could rely on. If we don't, you now have

2340
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,679
a gray area where you now basically have

2341
01:36:53,679 --> 01:36:55,199
something that you would want to

2342
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:56,639
enforce, but you have no way to enforce

2343
01:36:56,639 --> 01:36:58,239
it if you don't have a policy in your

2344
01:36:58,239 --> 01:36:59,679
general plan to allow you to. the

2345
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,760
general plan respectfully and I'm

2346
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,119
mindful of the time

2347
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:06,880
>> yeah thank you says that would be of the

2348
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,560
form adopt a ordinance that does

2349
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,199
something

2350
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:12,480
>> yeah we can definitely I mean

2351
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:15,119
>> rather than saying that this thing

2352
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,000
exists and the town shall implement it

2353
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,840
based on the GP itself

2354
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,840
>> it's a it's a it's an issue of the time

2355
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,360
lag if there's a concern about

2356
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:24,639
>> I think we need to move on

2357
01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:25,199
>> sure

2358
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:26,400
>> uh Karen

2359
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,480
>> yeah um my comments actually link

2360
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:31,840
Nicholas's is to nans and that I also

2361
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,119
found and I sent you 11 um comments and

2362
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:37,040
questions earlier um so I hope you have

2363
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:37,840
those and

2364
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:38,639
>> yeah we reviewed

2365
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:41,440
>> I will just go through these for the

2366
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,159
community here um because I found the

2367
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,639
language also confusing and that I

2368
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,960
wanted to know are we going to explore

2369
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,600
these particular things are we going to

2370
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,600
actually are we are we or are we not

2371
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,840
going to ever have an evacuation

2372
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,760
are we uh are we or are we not um going

2373
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,560
to explore widening Alpine Road. I know

2374
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:03,920
that would cost a lot of money, but I

2375
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,360
think that we need to consider that and

2376
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:06,639
I don't think that should be on the

2377
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:10,320
other list. Um and it could be not

2378
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:11,679
necessarily required, but we should

2379
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:13,920
explore these things. Um another thing

2380
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,679
that would not be that expensive is

2381
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:18,400
TFAS, temporary fire refuge areas. And I

2382
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:24,320
know that the priority has um would explore that with us. Um, and that

2383
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,119
would be in the cascading disaster that

2384
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,719
if we had an earthquake, the roads are

2385
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:31,040
closed, they're somewhere safe, um, if

2386
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,719
the fire fire goes out for the

2387
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:34,719
community. Um, do we have a sufficient

2388
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:37,280
reserve fund that if the roads are are

2389
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,080
broken that we have enough money to get

2390
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,760
them quit fixed very quickly? Um, home

2391
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,400
hardening um, expansion for both this

2392
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,800
building. Have we cleaned up the town

2393
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,480
center itself? Uh, what about

2394
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:52,000
businesses?

2395
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,199
Um, and this very small minor thing, but

2396
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,480
are the sewer pump stations um, will

2397
01:38:58,480 --> 01:38:59,760
they support a flood? Are we going to

2398
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,360
have a sewer sewer issue? So, these are

2399
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,199
all like are I'm not saying that we

2400
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:04,800
should necessarily do all these things,

2401
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,280
but I have no idea whether or not we are

2402
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,719
going to explore them. And I don't think

2403
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:10,080
that should be on the safety and

2404
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,440
resilience list. So, I'll leave my

2405
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,800
comments at that.

2406
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,600
>> Thank you. Um, one of the things you you

2407
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,280
did wrong and then I'll close off our

2408
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,960
comments, but I see Karen has a minute

2409
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,719
left. One of the things that I found

2410
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:23,520
very frustrating,

2411
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,600
>> but I would say you guys extra minutes.

2412
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:25,920
So,

2413
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,800
>> you've made you you've made Stamford's

2414
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,520
properties our problem. And my initial

2415
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,760
comment about us being guinea pigs here

2416
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,360
surrounded by problems. We're surrounded

2417
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,119
by property we don't own and we don't

2418
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:41,520
control. Midpen, Stamford, uh, all your

2419
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,360
stuff about water and creeks and the

2420
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,440
lakes, uh, that's all on Stanford

2421
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,280
property and they've done a lot of stuff

2422
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:48,880
on there. So, you've raised a lot of

2423
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,719
questions that you don't need to raise

2424
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:52,880
or you need to raise in a different way.

2425
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,600
Thank you. Um, respectful time. Sorry.

2426
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,360
>> Thank you.

2427
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,440
>> Sorry.

2428
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:00,800
>> All right. So, now I'm going to bring it

2429
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,880
back to the council for comments. So,

2430
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,000
Helen, why don't I start with you?

2431
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:12,000
>> Sure. Thank you. Um, a couple of quick comments. Um,

2432
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,560
uh, first, the military at Moffett does

2433
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,400
still exist.

2434
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,560
We get the our reserves are there for

2435
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,040
instance. Um, you get people folks in

2436
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,719
camo around Mountain View for instance.

2437
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:27,920
Um, that's just a side note. Um, in

2438
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,000
terms of sending it to the other

2439
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,400
committees, I'm very concerned that we

2440
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,920
have been working on this for five

2441
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,119
years.

2442
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,760
Um, obviously this is as a council

2443
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,719
member I'm new new newish new one of the

2444
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:45,280
newer members on this body. So this is

2445
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,920
my first bite at the apple but and I

2446
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,400
don't want to rush this but the town has

2447
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,719
been working on this for 5 years and I

2448
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:55,920
am very worried about scope creep and

2449
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,960
extended you know extending the cost. Um

2450
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,280
I appreciate that staff has left this

2451
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,080
open for a month for public comment. I

2452
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,800
appreciate that we are this body is

2453
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:11,119
meeting with the planning committee. Um

2454
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:14,320
so you know I I am very worried about

2455
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,239
scope creep. I would like to get this

2456
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:19,360
plan done um because then it allows us

2457
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,400
to apply for other grants that would

2458
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,119
help to keep us safe. Cuz for instance,

2459
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:27,440
as we go out for a grant for the

2460
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:30,480
evacuation route that they will ask on

2461
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:33,760
the grant application, is this named in

2462
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,320
a document in your safety element or a

2463
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:41,840
plan? Right. And so we so I want to tr

2464
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,159
personally I mean I am worried about

2465
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:45,679
trying to continue to take this

2466
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:50,159
elsewhere um uh the other committees. So

2467
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,679
I just wanted to be on the record for

2468
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:55,119
that. Um basically don't let the perfect

2469
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:59,920
be the enemy of the good. Right. Um

2470
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:03,760
so um there are and I appreciate having

2471
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,000
all of your eyes on this document. I

2472
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,000
really do appreciate like I love the

2473
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,920
idea of the temporary fire locations

2474
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,280
that was forgotten. Um I appreciate you

2475
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,080
know some of the um verbiage that you

2476
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,040
know that would help potentially to make

2477
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,840
sure the um tense is in the correct

2478
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,719
place. Um but I did want to you know

2479
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,360
make sure that hopefully we can uh move

2480
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,320
this document forward. Thank you.

2481
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,320
>> Thank you Helen Mary.

2482
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,520
Speaking of the devil,

2483
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,280
>> document. Am I the devil?

2484
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,679
>> No. No. The fire trucks are coming

2485
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:45,990
through the parking lot.

2486
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,239
» Call them, Kim.

2487
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:54,310
>> Are they coming to get you?

2488
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,679
» Well, uh I I have a question u that I

2489
01:42:57,679 --> 01:43:00,320
maybe know should know the answer to. Um

2490
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,239
but and it's been the thing I've been

2491
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:05,360
pursuing in this is what the obligation

2492
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:09,119
of the safety element is and uh what the

2493
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:12,400
safety element obliges the town

2494
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,239
to do in terms of quantifying the number

2495
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:20,320
of cars, people, disabled persons,

2496
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:25,119
animals, trailers, trucks, vans, etc.

2497
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,360
work. I know we we have a list of

2498
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,159
temporary workers. we have but the

2499
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:31,920
people who are actually here and who

2500
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,280
have to get out uh I feel there's a need

2501
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,040
to have those numbers and I don't think

2502
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,280
we have them um certainly accurately

2503
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,239
uh maybe that's maybe we can't get them

2504
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,719
but uh is that an obligation that the

2505
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:48,239
state is putting on us

2506
01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:50,080
>> it is not an obligation no

2507
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,320
>> it's not in at all okay

2508
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:53,840
>> no because again the safety element is

2509
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,679
for all people in the town so by us not

2510
01:43:57,679 --> 01:43:59,280
quantif ifying. You've covered

2511
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,360
everybody.

2512
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:03,520
>> Okay. Animals.

2513
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,760
>> It's It's for It's for everybody.

2514
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,600
>> For the town's resources, right? And

2515
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,480
residents, businesses, animals.

2516
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:11,280
Absolutely.

2517
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,920
>> Well, I I will go uh I think these are

2518
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:19,440
the eighth graders, by the way. They actually won't hurt us.

2519
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:20,719
>> Say that.

2520
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,199
>> I don't have one anymore.

2521
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:26,560
Okay. So, uh, the primary thing that I

2522
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,199
want to get back to is the unique

2523
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:33,360
situation of our, uh, risk, our wildfire

2524
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:36,639
risk following earthquake and why that's

2525
01:44:36,639 --> 01:44:40,400
important and why, uh, again, I don't

2526
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,080
want to be the person using the example,

2527
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,199
but we did have a LMA prieta earthquake.

2528
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,639
My children were one and four and it was

2529
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:50,800
very terrifying to have a major

2530
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,560
earthquake to be told you had to stay

2531
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,360
there and to know perfectly well that

2532
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,239
fire following earthquake is the nay

2533
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:01,840
number one thing and nobody

2534
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,920
answering any kind of emergency

2535
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:07,119
response. So I really feel you know we

2536
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,639
were basically told we had no

2537
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:10,800
electricity, no water, no way to take

2538
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,360
care of ourselves and we couldn't leave.

2539
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,840
Okay. So, that that's fire that's fire

2540
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,639
risk and that's real. And I have found

2541
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:21,199
that by far the biggest hazard I've ever

2542
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:25,360
faced. Uh and I really think that we owe

2543
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:26,880
ourselves

2544
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,639
having this in our element.

2545
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:31,920
>> Sure. Yeah. Again, I don't think uh

2546
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,239
incorporating language into the element

2547
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:35,840
is not a problem. If there's specific

2548
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,920
policies that you think would be helpful

2549
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,000
as well, we are more than welcome to.

2550
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,239
>> It's all about education. It's it's

2551
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:44,639
knowing that you're not alone and that

2552
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:47,040
you actually have to go help everybody

2553
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:48,560
else and have them figure it out.

2554
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:49,040
>> For sure.

2555
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,639
>> Thanks.

2556
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,520
>> Thank you, Mary Judith.

2557
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,000
>> Hey, I'm going to speak. Do not answer.

2558
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,960
I'm taking my full three minutes. Um,

2559
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,040
it's a great start.

2560
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,159
I feel strongly it must come back to

2561
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,880
council at a minimum and likely the

2562
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,000
planning commission and council because

2563
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:11,920
we don't know what comments you're going

2564
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:14,960
to get. We don't know if they're going

2565
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,480
to be consistent and we most importantly

2566
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,080
haven't had a lot of the policy

2567
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,960
discussions I feel are critical in order

2568
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,440
to send something to outside

2569
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,560
authorities. So I want it to come back.

2570
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,280
Um, I do want it submitted sooner rather

2571
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,239
than later, but done right. So, I'm not

2572
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:37,920
for eons longer. We have to figure out,

2573
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,920
pick a point in time where we're we're

2574
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,560
ready to go and life will continue

2575
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,080
changing. The state will continue

2576
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,239
legislating. There's nothing we can do

2577
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:47,840
about that. We got to get something

2578
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,880
done. But we're close. We just need to

2579
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,719
do it right. Um, I would in the future

2580
01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:57,360
like to see what is required by state

2581
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,679
law per your discussion with

2582
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:02,639
Commissioner Tar versus what is a policy

2583
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:06,480
decision that we need to um contemplate

2584
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,320
and weigh in because there's no point in

2585
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,960
us debating if it's required. We can

2586
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,080
work on the language. Um, all right. So

2587
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,239
then moving on to some of the general

2588
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:17,679
comments and I have a couple of

2589
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:20,800
anecdotal examples but um I have more

2590
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,920
and I can separately send in comments.

2591
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:27,440
One is some some of the items are seem

2592
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,600
at odds with the housing element uh

2593
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,920
restricting on street parking uh

2594
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,800
setbacks and fire hazard zones that kind

2595
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,320
of thing. And I don't know if that's

2596
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:38,480
correct or not. It's a question for you

2597
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:41,520
to think about. There's a lot of policy

2598
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,480
questions in here. um creating new

2599
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:47,040
developments outside of the the fire

2600
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,719
hazard safety concern areas. Well, good

2601
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:52,719
in principle, but we've got a housing

2602
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:55,920
element coming up in four years. Are we

2603
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,159
locking ourselves right now into

2604
01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:02,159
developing in areas that might not be on

2605
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,239
balance the right ones? It's a valid

2606
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,880
question. There are things that are am

2607
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,080
ambiguous. Um CWPP I don't think is

2608
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:13,119
defined. um these these are things that

2609
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,679
we can easily take care of. But what

2610
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:19,199
does to ensure something mean to me? It

2611
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:21,280
means to guarantee it will happen. I

2612
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,920
don't think we're have the budget to do

2613
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:28,239
that. Um in certain respects, uh the

2614
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:31,280
costbenefit analysis is the policy uh

2615
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,600
decision, but there are things about

2616
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,960
removing um invasives or dangerous

2617
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,119
plants in the right of way. Where is

2618
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,280
that? Is it along the evacuation route?

2619
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,280
No, it's somewhere in addition to that

2620
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,760
because it says including the evacuation

2621
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,400
route. We can't be spending money on

2622
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,960
clearing everything to be safe. We have

2623
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,360
to make sure the evacuation routes are

2624
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,480
taken care of. There are private um

2625
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,280
owner concerns. I think there if we're

2626
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,320
imposing assessments, we got to be

2627
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,679
careful to have those discussions. Um

2628
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:09,119
scope creep. there is some uh invasive

2629
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:11,360
species language. It doesn't seem safety

2630
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,119
oriented. Um and then

2631
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:17,920
um you know the requirement to enforce

2632
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:19,040
we always have a problem with

2633
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,560
enforcement in this town. We don't have

2634
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,480
we we almost don't have a sheriff that

2635
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,600
to help us enforce things. So it's it's

2636
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,760
a real question on how to rephrase some

2637
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,400
of that to be something we could Thanks.

2638
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,400
>> Thank you, Judith.

2639
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,880
>> Okay. Um, so I wanted to thank you for

2640
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,800
putting this together and I know it's a

2641
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,679
ton of work. Um, I have five general

2642
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:43,440
comments. Um, the first one's pretty

2643
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:46,159
minor, but the purpose has an order of

2644
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:48,000
sections and then the TOC has a

2645
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,159
different one. Um, I'd really like to

2646
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:52,480
see those line up and I sort of feel

2647
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:54,239
like the purpose one feel felt like the

2648
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:56,560
right one and the TOC kind of felt like

2649
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,480
maybe that's the state version, but it

2650
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:04,320
didn't really feel like it matched the town. Um the next thing is this the

2651
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,080
point that um Commissioner Tar was

2652
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,239
getting at which is this new obligation.

2653
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:09,760
I mean I really have a concern when I

2654
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,159
look at this. I can't tell whether we're

2655
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:16,719
creating B sort of soft ordinances

2656
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:18,480
indirectly. Like it's just really hard

2657
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:20,719
looking at this document which then

2658
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,480
leads me to sort of my third one which

2659
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:25,600
is sort of reviewing this before it goes

2660
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,840
to the state agencies. I agree with

2661
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,159
Judith. I'd like to see somehow

2662
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,239
highlighted, maybe it's colorcoded, but

2663
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:34,480
you know, what are policies that are

2664
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:36,239
council discretion that we need to

2665
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:38,239
decide on versus what are requirements

2666
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:40,080
that just have to be there for v various

2667
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,719
state reasons. So, I think that that's

2668
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:45,199
going to be important because again, if

2669
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:46,800
we have substantive changes and it's

2670
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,719
already gone out to the state agencies

2671
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:50,159
and it comes back, I I don't even

2672
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:52,000
understand the process of does it have

2673
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,360
to cycle back around like how many

2674
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,040
cycles do we have to do? So, I'd rather

2675
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,159
just cut that off ahead of time.

2676
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:01,040
Um, the other one is I do want to be

2677
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,960
mindful of budget. Um, you know, this is

2678
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,360
S Sarah's been working hard to to stay

2679
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,199
within this budget. So Sarah, I think

2680
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:08,560
you're probably going to come back have

2681
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,159
to come back with whatever additional

2682
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,080
budget you think you need to do this

2683
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,360
based on the comments. So that's I think

2684
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,320
that basically covers where I'm at. I

2685
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:19,920
would like to encourage everyone

2686
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,480
including all the committees to get your

2687
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:24,960
comments in. I personally would be okay

2688
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,560
if you extended the deadline for

2689
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,239
comments, but you know, I'm going to

2690
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,480
leave that to staff, but the important

2691
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:31,920
thing is that everybody get their

2692
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,400
detailed comments in. And you know,

2693
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,080
Commissioner Tar, if you can go through

2694
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:37,920
and point out the things that are, you

2695
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:39,760
know, like these are obligations that

2696
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,520
need to be discussed. The more we can

2697
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,000
help the consultant identify these

2698
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,599
things quickly, the less money we'll

2699
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:47,119
spend on the consultant trying to figure

2700
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:49,920
it out for himself. That would be great.

2701
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,520
On the other hand, you know, Erin, I've

2702
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:55,599
worked with you some in this process. I really value your time and expertise.

2703
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:57,760
So, I just wanted to say thank you for

2704
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,760
all the effort that went into this. Um,

2705
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:04,719
and I'm looking forward to seeing the next round.

2706
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:09,360
Okay. So, with that, it is 6:53. Um, I'm

2707
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,400
going to call for a motion to adjurnn

2708
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,400
since the council gets a little

2709
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,159
breathing room before we start a seven

2710
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:18,080
o'clock council meeting. So, do I have a

2711
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,400
motion to adjurnn?

2712
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:21,280
So moved.

2713
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,320
>> All in favor?

2714
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:24,560
>> I thank you everyone. Thank you very

2715
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:28,679
much for productive study session.