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Good afternoon, we're back on the record from the 430 PM closed session. City attorneys, anything to report.

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There was no reportable action from the two items on the 430 closed session at the special meeting.

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All right. We will now close the 430 session and start the 530 session.

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So again, the town of Los Alto sales. This is the regular meeting called the meeting to order.

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It is now 536 PM on June 18th, 2026.

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And Erica, can we please have a roll call?

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Yes, Mayor. Council member Monk?

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Council member Swan?

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Here.

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Council member Tonka?

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Vice Mayor Tyson?

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Mayor Vittasia.

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Thank you, Mayor. We have a call.

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So do we do the pledge of leisure now or do it?

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Thank you.

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So.

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At this time, the Council will receive public comments which is limited amount matters to the subject of the closed session.

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Please complete a speaker card on located on the back table and submitted to the city clerk.

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Comments are limited to two minutes per speaker speakers and members of the audience are reminded that public comments must comply with the towns rules of decorum for a fine language or destructive conduct is prohibited under the towns municipal code.

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Are there any members of the public present who wish to me public comment?

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Mr. Grady.

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Good afternoon.

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I'm aware that a group of residents living near the O'Keefe property have threatened to bring a suit for alleged brown act violations and have made certain demands of the town and reported settlement of those claims.

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Well, I don't believe that a brown act violation occurred.

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Even if it had the O'Keefe groups, so-called settlement demands is set forth in their attorney's March 30th letter, bears no relation to the supposed offense.

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Furthermore, I believe it would be a breach of this council's fiduciary duty for the town to agree to the O'Keefe groups demands.

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The O'Keefe group asks the council to declare that, quote, housing is not a public purpose, closed quote.

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That is simply absurd.

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The California legislature has made it very clear that housing is a public purpose.

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And the fact is that the best way for the town to meet its affordable housing arena is to use town-owned land, because the town can require development of land that it owns to provide the number of affordable units needed to meet its remaining need of affordable units.

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If the town relies on for-profit development of privately owned land, such developments typically yield only 5% affordable units and the rest market units.

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And so after the ADUs and SB9s, the town has a remaining need of 45-50 affordable units, assuming nothing comes through on the other currently designated sites, if that's possible.

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The town would have to rezone to make those 45-50 units based on a 5% affordable rate.

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The town would have to rezone 900 or more property to facilitate 900 or more affordable units, multi-family units, to meet 45-50.

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So I submit that the town should not accept not a seed to the demands of the Yokeef Group.

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Anybody else in the room?

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Anybody online?

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Yes, Mayor.

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General.

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Please unmute.

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I have done.

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Hello again.

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As I mentioned earlier, we're spending a lot of money on lawsuits and lawsuits that shouldn't really be happening.

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The city attorney has spent 140 hours and greater than $60,000 on the shield threatened lawsuit, and it hasn't even gone to a lawsuit yet.

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I've been discussing to try and avoid it.

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But why we don't know because nobody has even told us what this is all about.

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The only reason we know anything is from public records access.

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I believe it would be better if the council came forward and told residents what it is that they're being held or blackmailed for.

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In place, the goal was designed to stand having read it.

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Of the proposal on May 18th was as Mr. Grady has just said to get the town to declare housing not to be a public use, and then under the terms of the conference transfer agreement to invalidate the use of the Yokeef parcel.

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The only way the Yokeef parcel or any other town owned land can be used for multifamily housing is a vote of Los Altocittles residents in November.

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It is clear that the city council see codifying the green sheets as a higher priority than obtaining the use of town owned land to take control of our rena.

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It's also clear as might just point it out that if we don't have land which we can control the development, the town is going to have to zone many, many, many acres of land for public, that's all private development in order to get a house.

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In order to get a handful of lower income housing units.

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Number one, the city council should stop wasting money on shield and put O'Keefe and possibly other town owned land on the November ballot.

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Number two, in the event the city council does not do this.

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They should not.

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Okay, anybody else online?

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Do we want to.

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I mean, this is somebody else, I don't mind.

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We can allow Mr. O'Connor to finish if you are if the council is okay with that.

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Please let it know you could continue.

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Could you please come from item two?

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I'll just repeat number two since I'd almost finished anyway.

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In the event the city council does not put O'Keefe on the ballot.

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You should not on the any circumstances overwrite the ability of other residents to put it on the ballot by entering into an agreement with shield.

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That precludes the use of O'Keefe for multifamily housing and meeting the town's rena.

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Thank you Mr. Carl.

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I take it there. Nobody else online.

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All right. Well, then we will close public comment.

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And before we adjourned a closed session.

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Assistant attorney.

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Do you have any response to Mr. O'Connor's request to share more information?

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Is there anything that you feel is appropriate to share out in open session?

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The the latter that came in from the shield organization that.

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Essentially group of residents around O'Keefe is a public record.

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It has been provided to Mr. O'Connor and it's available to anyone who would like to see a copy of it.

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It does propose a resolution of their claims their alleged claims against the town for what they say or violations the brown act.

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The political reform act.

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As well as the public record act.

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As we have advised before we don't believe that those allegations are correct.

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But there is a proposal that they have put forward.

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And the council is considering that as part of the closed session.

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Because it's under the threat.

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They've threatened to file lawsuits on all of these.

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If they're not able to reach a successful resolution with the town.

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Thank you, Mr. Mattis.

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With that I think we can adjourn the closed session.

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Good afternoon.

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We're just returned from the closed session.

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So city attorney, do you have any reportable action from the closed session?

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Mayor, I do not have any reportable action from the closed session regarding the shield coalition matter.

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But I do want to report out the city council met on June 9th as part of a special meeting.

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And one of the items on that was a closed session that was entitled public employment for the city attorney.

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As part of that process, I had advised the council of my intention to retire from the position to resign later on this year.

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And the council graciously accepted that.

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I appreciate that.

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And the council also established a subcommittee of mayor,

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and council member Tonka to lead a process where the city would issue an RFP for legal services with the ideas.

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I understand it to find the next city attorney before I step down.

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And so with that I do want to thank the council.

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I want to thank the citizens of Los Alto seals for the opportunity to serve,

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but I wanted the council to be aware of kind of what my plans were and be able to assist in any way.

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I can as the council moves forward to your next city attorney.

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So thank you.

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We certainly appreciate the many, how many years of service has it been as the city attorney of our town?

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24.

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24 years.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much for your service.

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And any comments from the council?

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Anything you want to add?

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Well, just to say thank you for your steady hands and your steady demeanor in leading us through both good times and bad times.

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And we've been grateful for your support and for your help as we've navigated all these times.

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Anybody else?

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Stan?

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Thank you Steve.

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Send it just a tremendous job through all the good times and all the bad times we know that you are not perfect.

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But whenever you had a mistake, you always came back and you said,

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I mean, a mistake.

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And you told us about it, not everybody does that.

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So thank you for all your time, your effort.

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And hopefully you have a great retirement going ahead.

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I'd like to say thank you to you.

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You've been a very steady hand, very calm amid some of the turmoil that happens around town.

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And I appreciate that.

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We're definitely going to miss you.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate all those things.

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Then also your very responsive at all hours, which I guess is not helping our legal bill.

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But you can't blame me for that, can you?

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So I've always appreciated that as well as your steady hand and solid council.

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And speaking from myself, Steve, I've always found you to be the picture of economy.

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Never ruffled a feather, never lost your cool.

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I don't know how you do it.

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It's it's not an easy job.

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And I've also really appreciated the calm kind of perspective that you've given us on each issue.

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Some of the very difficult issues.

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And always said, this is the council.

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Here are the options for the council.

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We've never seen you try and sway us inappropriately.

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Always just given us the advice and ask us what we want to do.

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So really held yourself to a very high standard and I really appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Mayor and council members.

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I appreciate the comments and I think we've got about as far in the scope of report out of closed session as we can.

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Thank you.

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Moving along.

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When I came out of closed session, I laid my stuff on the back table and my pencil disappeared.

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So if anybody picked up a lab under colored mechanical pencil.

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If they could.

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Or if anybody would like to donate one to miss one.

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I like the one I had.

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But I can't find it so.

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I guess the next step is to reconvene as a regular meeting.

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And the meeting is both in person and zoom.

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City clerk comes Miller.

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Could you do a roll call please.

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We have a core.

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And Mr. Maris given that you're going to be retiring.

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Why don't you lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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That's the end of the call.

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And do not.

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We just say.

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One nation under guard.

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Individual.

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With liberty and justice.

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All.

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We would now go through an agenda review.

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Does anybody have any.

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Does anybody have any changes to the agenda.

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Anything you'd like to pull from consent or any other changes.

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Every my recommendation that we can move.

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Item six A.

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That has to do with Los autoses community fiber.

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The extension on their agreement to consent.

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Mayor.

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As the council recall.

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P. I believe it is on the.

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Tony, which one's your.

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Item K is an amendment to Cody's contract, which was recently adopted. It modifies his benefits in a net zero approach to have Cody pay more of the employees share of his purse contribution.

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At the same time, the council would contribute towards his non-purs retirement program. So it's a no cost item, but it is an amendment to his contract and under state law.

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Whenever there's a change to executive management contract provisions, we need to verbally report that it can stay on the consent agenda, but we need to report it into the record.

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All right. Any other changes we want to consider?

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No. Okay. So I guess we will move six A2 consent. Do we need a motion for that?

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Okay. There were a couple items that I had on on the council initiated that I've since deleted. So those are deleted in the latest agenda.

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All right. With that, we will move forward with the agenda as as recorded now and let's move forward to presentation appointments.

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Let's move.

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Okay. The first item is the appointment to the youth committee.

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We have five youth commissioners that are well five youth that are seeking appointment to the youth commission.

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Some of them are in person. Some of them are on zoom, but they except for some of them are traveling and couldn't be here.

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But they've all met the minimum qualifications, which are they've attended at least one meeting and they volunteered at different events, whether it be the pathway committee or the town picnic and some of them assisted at the leadership academy that we had a couple of weeks ago.

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So they've all met the qualifications and after if council appoints all five of these kids based on my records, we would have 17 youth commissioners.

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Okay. Good. And we, we're allowed to have up to 20 up to 20.

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Right.

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Very good. So can we call up the candidates?

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Oh, absolutely. So I know I have Calista. She's here. If you want to just go to the podium and just introduce yourself to council that will be perfect.

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Get a little bit down, bend it towards you.

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My name is Calista. I'm going to be your next year.

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Oh, we go. I can barely hear you as probably a reflection of my hearing.

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I'm trying to get closer to the microphone.

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I think I would be a good addition to the law's autos.

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I felt as youth commission because I'm very involved in my community.

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And I love volunteering at like town events and participating in school activities and clubs.

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I would love to be able to advocate for the problems of the other youth in my community who might not always have a voice.

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And I want to help people to feel heard and understood.

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I think that I'm patient and empathetic and good at listening and coming up with solutions and listening to people's problems.

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I am also responsible and good at saying organized.

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And I think that these qualities would make me a good addition to the law's autos youth commission.

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Thank you.

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Anybody have questions for?

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No, just to say thank you for putting a hand up and volunteering.

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It's not easy to come out here as speak and I think you'd be great asset.

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Thank you.

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And I would like to speak in support of Kalista.

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I can save having worked in the ice cream booth during the picnic.

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That she's very good at rainbow sherbet.

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I can think of no higher qualification.

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Okay.

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Well, I do see that you've volunteered and you've attended how many youth commission meetings have you attended?

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I think quite.

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Or maybe?

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Okay, good.

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And what, what greater are you in?

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I'm going to be a junior next year.

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Junior, very good.

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Well, I compliment you for wanting to do this.

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It's a very rewarding experience.

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I applaud you for taking the initiative.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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We get a more.

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I got some more people on.

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You want to do one at a time or do you want to do one together?

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Okay.

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So we, you are.

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We are asking you to unmute on Zoom.

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She's on Zoom.

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Hello.

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My name is Zoe.

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And should I turn on my camera or is it fun with my camera off?

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It's okay.

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Whatever you wish.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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I don't know if I can open it on my end.

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I'm.

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So I guess the main reason I want to join the Lots of the Hills Youth Committee is because

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just from being on it for the past year.

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I really loved helping out with the pathway run.

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I was able to see like a bunch of, a bunch of like the community members and families and volunteers.

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I'll come together and I also really enjoyed meeting a lot of the people of my community there.

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And a little bit about myself is that I love doing speech and debate.

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In fact, the reason why I couldn't join you guys in person today is because I'm currently at a speech and debate tournament.

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And I hope to be able to use my speaking skills to be a voice and an advocate for my community.

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And it's taught me that like communicating is about about how important communication is about how I can use,

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once again, use my voice to sort of connect to people, make others feel heard.

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And I want to bring that mindset to the Lots of Hills Youth Committee.

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And yeah, so I guess.

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My main goal is I want to help more students sort of learn about more students like my community learn more about the events that

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we have and opportunities and different ways that they can get involved.

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And I'm very excited to continue contributing to the Lots of the Hills Youth Committee.

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Thank you.

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Any questions or.

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Well, thank you for stepping up sounds like you've got a really good motivation to do this.

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I applaud you for wanting to participate in public service.

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All right, who's next?

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Mayor, I got some people on Zoom, but they're not, they don't have a name.

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So I don't know if it's one of the youth commissioners applicants.

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If you are, can you raise your hand on Zoom?

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If not, I know that some of them were traveling and couldn't be here tonight,

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but they are incredibly dedicated to the position and they are eager to join.

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They just couldn't be here tonight.

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So because I don't see any other hand raised.

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I'm assuming that none of them, the rest of them can make it tonight.

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Well, I've read all of the applications and I'm certainly happy to support all of them.

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Mr.

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I wanted to make a comment.

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So throughout your lives to the young people here, you will make friends.

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And some of the friends that you need are going to be when you're younger.

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Those friends that you meet today.

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And I'm sure that this is going to be important for all of us as well as adults and as youth.

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Those friends are going to be lifetime friends.

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You're going to look back 70 years from now.

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Going forward 70 years and looking back and you're going to say,

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I remember meeting that person in Los Alto's Hills at the Youth Commission.

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So again, congratulations for doing this.

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If I've well done, you're going to get a lot out of that.

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Thank you.

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Second.

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All right. Can I get a motion?

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I am moved that the candidates listed on the agenda be appointed to the Youth Commission.

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Second.

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All right. We get a roll call.

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House member Mark?

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Yes.

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House member Tonka? Yes.

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Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes.

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Mayor Patija? Yes. So congratulations to our five appointees.

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Aria Basker, Colester Shaker War,

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Preiti Wary, Theo Dupont and Zoe Lab.

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Congratulations.

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All right. Moving on to the planning commission.

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Okay. Next up, we have two expired terms on the planning commission currently and four applicants.

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All of them, I read all the applications, all of them are very qualified.

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Two of them have served two terms on the planning commission and all of them are asking to be appointed or re-appointed to the planning commission.

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I think one of them served one term.

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This is only done one term.

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I'm sorry.

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So two expired terms, one term, one two term, but all seeking appointment to the planning commission.

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Tonight for this item, I do have ballots in front of everybody that we could use to vote on this item, but I also have some public comments for this item as well.

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And do we have all four candidates here?

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I know. I see.

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Some people are online.

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I believe it was Dana Stolder and Katherine Frey with the other two.

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I don't see them online.

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Okay.

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Well, if the candidates are here, I'm happy to entertain a statement or if you want to say something.

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Hello.

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I'm Alyssa Brado. I need you all.

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No need by now.

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So I've been on planning commission.

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One term is as noted.

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And it really has been a whirlwind.

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I think before I joined SB 9 had just passed.

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And so I that was part of my motivation for becoming involved with that.

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I've been very involved with that with ADUs with housing element.

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You know all the things that we've been have had thrown at us.

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And it's been a real learning experience.

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I really enjoyed it.

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And I would like to continue.

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I have certainly appreciated the long hours involved.

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I attend some of them, but I don't state as late as you guys do.

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And I know there's a lot of technical decisions you have to make late in the night.

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So I really appreciate the service.

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Thank you for that.

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I am Rajiv Patel.

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Again, have been on the planning commission for two terms.

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Most of you already know what all challenges we have.

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And today we've added one more challenge to that list based on the announcement of our attorney,

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attorney retiring.

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So that's good to add to even the planning commission challenge.

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Because there are some ordinances which need to be resolved pretty soon.

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Having said that.

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Recently we also had one of our most senior planning commissioner.

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It's he Cooper's resigned.

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And so.

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One thing we got out of yet see was the deep knowledge and history that he brought to the planning commission.

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So as you build the planning commission in future.

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Keep that in mind that you need to have some history.

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As you get new people on board.

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So that's something you want to keep in mind.

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Thank you.

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Did you have any further comments that you wanted to share with us?

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I think you sent us an email.

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I will have comments on other topics.

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Okay.

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But right now I think.

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For this part which is the point lens I don't have anything else.

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Okay.

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I've seen the level of knowledge that you've brought and the.

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Insightful and incisive questions you've asked.

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And I applaud you for your many many contributions over the last two terms.

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Thank you for that.

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With that.

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Any other questions from council.

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Are we ready to make a motion.

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Oh.

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We thought about it right.

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But we have to take public comment first.

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But I just want to see if anybody else has questions first.

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Okay.

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Can we open it up for public comment?

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Please.

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I have Cheryl Evans.

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In the midst of.

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So very many housing mandate issues that very significantly impact our town.

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I strongly recommend that we reelect commissioners.

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And.

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Patel to the planning commission.

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They have the experience and understanding of these issues to move this forward.

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And I don't think that this is a time to bring unseasoned commissioners on the board.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sue Welch.

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And I respectfully request that you re-appointed both.

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Melissa and.

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Regeve to another turn to the plan on the planning commission.

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The State Housing mandate is the most important thing that we face right now, and they both have enormous

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experience in-depth working knowledge of housing elements, as well as the general plan, zoning

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laws, the standards, well on their way to the deep history. They've worked with unflagging energy

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and creativity to adapt the one-size-fits-all state regulations to our unique town.

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Their experience is an absolutely invaluable resource that the town should continue to utilize

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by re-appointing them. Again, absolutely invaluable in these times. I understand the value of rotating

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commissioners in normal times. However, in our current circumstances continuity of institutional

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knowledge is critical. Given the pressures and the complexities of the state housing

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mandates, an exception should be made to retain these skilled and knowledgeable commissioners.

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The State is not finished with us. New housing bills are rolling out as we stand here.

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Our town needs a strong experience, highly knowledgeable planning commissioner, commission,

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and we have two who are willing to take on another term. Please appoint a list of

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re-appointing, a list of breter one of the Chief Patel. Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Milch. I don't think I'm going to add a great deal to what has already been said.

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I completely agree with the past comments. I would just like to provide a perspective.

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I had a conversation with Jay, Mr Bradford this week, and we say it's a challenge.

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We have very, very few people in the planning department. We've got very few people that understand our code.

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People are growing into the job, but we have some planning commissioners that

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know our code pretty well. I want to specifically draw on the knowledge and experience that I've seen

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regime patelbring both in terms of state law, our code, and providing guidance to the planning

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department. So I really think although he's served two terms, particularly since we're all so

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losing commissioner washura, I think it really is important that we continue with the experience that

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is there. I'm not going to be critical, but if I was applying to be on the planning commission,

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I think I'd have been here tonight. I'd certainly have attended some planning commission meetings.

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So, on the one hand, we've got demonstrated track record and commitment, and let me tell you,

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I've stayed almost to the end of some of the meetings. So I really back up what everybody else has said.

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Please reappoint at least the breedow and regime patelbring for the planning commission. Thank you.

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Yeah, what everybody else said were fortunate enough to have two commissioners who are willing to

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sit for additional terms. They've shown themselves to be diligent, dedicated, and they're fully up

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to speed on the challenges and complexities of the housing element. The other two new

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applicants, one of whom, according to the application, hasn't attended a single planning commission meeting,

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and the other, the application indicates, has attended three of the meetings, presumably

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those three related to his own house project. This ought to be an easy one. The issues that the

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town is facing with respect to meeting the state's mandates are two complex. We've got experience people.

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It's a no-brainer reappoint regime and a list of thanks. Thank you. I don't see anybody else in the room.

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Is there anybody online? Not with their hands. We're here. All right. Thank you. All right, we will close public

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comment and bring it back to council. I would move to a point, Rajiv Patel and Alyssa Brado for another term.

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They've done tremendous work, but I guess we have to vote on it, right? Yeah. And I think you all all have

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a ballot. And if I'm not mistaken, it does require a signature. So hopefully you have your pencil or pen.

482
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I got a pen, but hey, my pencil's lost in space.

483
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Mayer, we have a unanimous decision for re-appointment for Commissioner Alyssa Brado

484
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:09,200
as well as Commissioner Reggie Patel. Congratulations. You know, get to spend many more late nights here.

485
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:26,720
I think we have another set of appointments to EPRC. Yes, Mayor. The first one is a reappointment

486
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,240
of Ben Geek. Ben Geek is. He served a term and his term expired and he is seeking reappointment.

487
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,480
He is a from everything I hear from the EPRC. He is a great addition to the committee.

488
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:45,600
And he is seeking another term. Okay. And I don't see him in the room. And then we also have another

489
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:53,520
application for Bill Latin. Yes. And Bill Latin right now is an associate member. And he is asking to be upgraded

490
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:01,840
to a full voting member for EPRC. Okay. I've been the liaison for the EPRC and both of these gentlemen have

491
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:08,720
contributed and participated very keenly. So I would certainly be happy to support him any anybody else.

492
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,800
I'm happy to move that vote to see here. Oh, I see his bill here.

493
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Oh, Bill, would you like to say a few words?

494
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,760
Well, the EPRC is supposed to focus on the worst of times.

495
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,840
It's true. So thank you all for considering me. I do believe in the EPRC in its mission.

496
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,680
I think, you know, this is a committee where I have a chance to get back to the town and not just to the

497
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,440
town, but also to the broader Los Altos Hills County Fire District for the record. I live in

498
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:57,440
unincorporated space. And I wish to thank the town and the council for opening up the EPRC to full

499
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:07,200
participation to folks who live in the LAHC FD. I've been on virtually every EPRC meeting. I've been

500
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:13,600
with a certain program forever. So I really believe in this mission. It's about emergency preparedness

501
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:20,240
and response. I think if you all are looking for helping the community in a positive way, this is a

502
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,440
great chance to do it through the start program or through the EPRC. And with that I'll stop talking.

503
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Thank you. Is there any public comment in the room?

504
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,560
No, anybody online? No, me here. Okay. All right. Then we'll close public comment and bring it back to

505
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,000
council. I would move to a reappoint these two gentlemen.

506
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,360
Four point and reappoint as it is. Second. Sure.

507
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Are you seconded? Yes. All right. So how is Miller? Can we take a roll call? Yes, Mayor.

508
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swan. Yes. Councilmember Tonka. Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes.

509
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Mayor Beteja. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Congratulations, Bill. And I don't see Ben here, but congratulations to

510
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him as well. Thank you again. All right.

511
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,160
The next item is me, too. Mayor is the Housing Element Implementation Committee of

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date. So staff just wanted to provide an update to council. The town has received fewer applications

513
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,360
than the number of vacancies available on the Housing Element Implementation Committee. So to encourage

514
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,640
additional participation and provide interest and provide interested residents with more time to

515
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apply. Staff recommends extending the application period through August 13th, 2026. And hopefully we

516
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could reappoint at the August 20th city council meeting. The extension will allow the town to continue

517
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,160
outreach efforts and seek a broader pool of applicants to serve on the committee. Council appointments

518
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will be scheduled following the close of the extended recruitment period if approved. Any comments?

519
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,840
It's a good idea. All right. And we open it up for public comment. Anybody in the room?

520
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,760
No. Anybody online? No, Mayor. All right. We'll bring it back. Are we okay to extend the talk?

521
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,400
I will that we extend the period. Second. Thank you. Will you roll call?

522
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,240
Councilmember Swine. I'm sorry. Looking at councilmember Mark and I said councilmember Mark. Yes.

523
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,320
Councilmember Swine. Yes. Councilmember Tonka. Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Mayor Beteja. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you.

524
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:48,160
I think next we have a report from the County Fire District. Ms. I see, Mr. Jay Logan here.

525
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Welcome, Mr. Logan. Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Vice Mayor, council staff and public.

526
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,440
Very happy to be here. I'm Jay Logan, the General Manager for Los Alto Hills County Fire District.

527
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,600
And with me tonight, I'd like to bring to the podium, Yajenea Woods. And she is our program planning

528
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,960
in grants manager for Los Alto Hills County Fire District. And I'd like to introduce you to the new

529
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,840
project that we're doing right now on I280. And Yajenea has some slides and we'll present that program to you.

530
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:28,240
We have a time allocation for this presentation. And then when she finishes, I'll give you a quick overview

531
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:34,160
of recent events that happened at the Board of Supervisors meeting this week on our budget. So thank you.

532
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Good, Jenny. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. And I do have some slides.

533
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:52,320
We could have as one second. We're pulling them up. Wonderful. So I'm here to give you an overview on the

534
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,320
I280 Shadefield Break Connectivity Project, which you've probably heard about in bits and pieces,

535
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:06,880
but we're thrilled that it's moving along. And I meet with Director Kim of your public works department,

536
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,360
every month. And he requested that I come and you know, present to the broader audience. And also we have

537
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:19,360
a communications plan to meet with each of your committees, four of your committees over the next coming

538
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,480
months to get more input for any questions concerns. And we'll have time at the end of the

539
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,080
presentation that I can also collect questions and concerns. So the things we're going to cover tonight

540
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,200
are the team, the timelines. And I'll give you some examples of the types of work that we plan to do

541
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:43,840
and the also the outreach plan, the visual impact assessment, which I know is of concern to multiple

542
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:55,520
you know, factions of the town. Next slide. Here's our team. I'm so pleased to hear the program's

543
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,600
project manager. We also have IE to Fairman, who some of you may know. She's a professional engineer.

544
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,880
This recently retired as the Director of Public Works from Los Altos. Many of you have met

545
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,960
Res Moriale, our finance manager. Of course, General Manager J. Logan. We have recently brought

546
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,640
on board a retired forester from Cal Fire to work with our national, national resources and outreach

547
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:28,480
liaison. Operations, county fires generously given us chief fortune to help with this and the field's group

548
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:34,560
program. We also have a drone firm. It's been working extensively with this program since 2021.

549
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:45,920
And then our engineering design firm. Next slide. So some of you may know or have heard that we

550
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,040
were the recipient of the Governor's Emergency Priority Project. We got the exemption through the

551
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,920
March 1st, 2025 exemption that he put out to accelerate wildfire projects across the state. There's

552
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:04,000
200 of them approximately so far and we're one of them. A few of them are on interstates and roadways.

553
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,440
So super excited that this is one of the bigger priority projects. The secretarial suspension allows

554
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,280
us to move through a much more quickly, sequence usually a 69-month process. It does give us some

555
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,600
requirements and it doesn't wave environmental protection. What it does is accelerate the analysis process.

556
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We still have to comply with the laws. We still have seven or eight pages of the program protection

557
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that they have put into place just for these priority projects. And one of those mandates is that

558
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work has to begin by this October and it has to be done by next October. And our future maintenance,

559
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:48,720
which you'll hear about as you get into the maintenance cycle over the next few years is not covered

560
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:54,880
under this suspension. It also compels us to work with the state agencies that are listed up there,

561
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:03,680
which we have been doing since last July when we were approved.

562
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Next slide. Here's our current timeline. We're in June, of course, right now, where we've received. We've put the RFP process out there. We received proposals. They'll be going through evaluations. Next month, we'll be in the contractor services agreement. And in July, we'll start the project kickoff meetings, which means that you'll hear more and more about all of this soon.

563
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:49,000
We would like to put boots on the ground so to speak and begin the contractor work in August. So we're really ramping up the RFP plan. Now currently, you're effectively one of the kickoffs, if you will, of our RFP plan. And then we'll work continuously until the rain puts us out of work and we'll start again in the spring. Next slide.

564
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Here's the project. I'm sorry, you have to squint at this. These are also in your agenda packets. We start down at St. Joseph Avenue, which is mid peninsula land right up. It's mid peninsula managed Santa Clara County Park's land right up against southern end of the district and we go all the way up to the page mill interchange. The three interchanges and circles have been pulled out. We put those into our regular evacuation route program.

565
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But the interstate itself remains in the connectivity project. Next slide.

566
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:42,000
So here's some examples of what we will be coping with. The lower right corner is underneath row where we'll let us underpass. You're looking up at the freeway median. You can see how the trees overhang at interstate lanes.

567
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And then you've got, sorry, squinting at it. And then on the left side, you've got some before you've got either side of over by the partial near a rastered arrow and per other some apart.

568
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:04,000
You can see from the residential road on the top. You can just see the gate. You can't see the interstate. Believe it or not, behind those trees is the interstate.

569
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Then the same picture on the lower is the interstate looking back towards that gate. Again, you can't see it at all. So these are examples of where we need to reduce vegetation because it's just one continuous stream of fuels.

570
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Next slide.

571
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:32,000
More examples of the same type of thing. You can see the freeway lanes are just overhang with.

572
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Oh, so you could lift us some pines and other types of things multiple different examples of where these trees were to catch fire or to fall onto the freeway like winter of 2023 where we lost a lot of vegetation.

573
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Lane's could easily be blocked and people would either be slowed down or would be able to get off the roadway at all.

574
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Next slide.

575
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:09,000
And we wanted to address a director, Kim, especially asking me to address the visual impact assessment. He knows that that is a concern for many folks here as you remove vegetation.

576
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What's going to be left and what are you going to see.

577
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:21,000
This was performed by due to environmental consultants services when we applied for the FEMA grant originally in 2022.

578
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And this is one of the requirements for cow chances as well because this is a scenic highway or eligible to be a scenic highway.

579
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000
So there's a lot of protection and concerns for the visual impact.

580
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,000
So this report they came out did feel surveys. They put together the report.

581
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And it's based on standards. It's not just one opinion. There's their standards for the federal highway administration of how you measure and what you measure.

582
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So we'll go through a few of the highlights of this report.

583
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Next slide please.

584
00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:01,000
So your current view shed is what they talk about when you have near and far views are near views are the grasslands, the Golden Hills of California, if you will.

585
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And then the far view sheds are the foothills. So what this report talks about what will happen as we remove remove some of the vegetation up close.

586
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,000
The presence of the grasslands and the Oakland lands up into the foothills.

587
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:28,000
The majority of the opinion in this report is yes you will have the near view shed change somewhat, but the far view shed will remain the same.

588
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Next slide.

589
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So after completion it talks about the visual character and this is an example of it. You'll see more guardrails.

590
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:47,000
You may see more things immediately behind the guardrail on the left side of this picture. You see there's a sound ball back there.

591
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,000
So you will have you will be seeing more sound walls.

592
00:49:51,000 --> 00:50:05,000
The way the sound balls are constructed in our district's area is they tend to block headlights and direct visuals of the interstate. So that's a benefit to all of you all of you.

593
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And we will be removing dead dying in diseased fuels. We will not be taking out very much live fuels, especially the ones that will be taken out with a ladder fuels.

594
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:21,000
So if there were to be a vehicle fired it would catch the grass. It wouldn't be able to reach into the crowns.

595
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This area again because it's a eligible scenic highway.

596
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Caltrans has a very strict rules about which species we can take out, what we can do, how far we can limit up.

597
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They effectively let you limit up over the roadway 17 feet. If you think about an engine a fire engine is 13. Six.

598
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Some of the other bigger trucks are higher than that. And then over dirt areas they let you limit up eight feet.

599
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,000
So they have a graduated look or they call it. Caltrans calls it feathering.

600
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Not just a stark you know we cut everything down to 12 inches and we limit everything up to 17 feet. It's a graduated look.

601
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:04,000
So yes there will be you know some places you can see through they'll tend to grow back within a year or two.

602
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:15,000
But the benefits to the fuel reduction and removing the dead and dying is expected to outweigh the change in the visuals.

603
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Next slide.

604
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Oh my lots of reading to do.

605
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:29,000
So these examples I've been out in the field lately with part of your maintenance staff and your public work staff is recently yesterday.

606
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
You're maintenance supervisor, Mike.

607
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:37,000
And these are some of the pictures and examples from right here that I wanted to walk you through.

608
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000
So the red lines in the pictures are your pathways or part of your pathway system.

609
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,000
And the blue line, the blue circles are areas where we want to reduce vegetation as an example.

610
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,000
So some of these pathways will be able to see the freeway a little bit more.

611
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
And vice versa the freeway will be able to see some of the pathways.

612
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:06,000
But you can imagine especially in the lower picture that's just all grasses and thistles and not just weeds mostly that effect your pathway users.

613
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:13,000
And the pathway users can also be a source of ignition inadvertently and it leads right up to the freeway.

614
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:23,000
There's a continuous amount of fuel from your pathway to the freeway advice versa a vehicle fire or sparks from chains can come right up to your pathway.

615
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000
So that's what these two examples help you notice.

616
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:34,000
And of course this is one of the many reasons pathways are not a great option for evacuation route alternatives.

617
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Being on foot if you were in a wildfire or vegetation fire is is overwhelming.

618
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
It's it's a path of literally last resort to get out somewhere.

619
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,000
So we just wanted to highlight why some of those things are here.

620
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:59,000
And then I italicized part of this excerpt so that you would be able to tell what the landscape effects from removed shrubs would be.

621
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Again, not a huge change in the view said.

622
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Next slide.

623
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,000
The next thing that we were asked to discuss a little bit was our public information and outreach plan.

624
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,000
So again, here we are today, and you're kind of our kickoff.

625
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:24,000
On a formal basis, we will be working with multi prong approach, including media releases.

626
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,000
We've already begun regional parking liaison meetings, monthly presentations.

627
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:35,000
And if we're right back to city council, our commission has been getting monthly presentations for quite a while.

628
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
We'll start working with the committees.

629
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,000
And then we also have four and two week planning notifications.

630
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Thank you for the construction firm calls those look ahead meetings.

631
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:53,000
And those will be very specific and operational, which lanes will be closed, who will be impacted, which exit ramps will be impacted, et cetera.

632
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,000
We will have set up mailing list for joint messaging for the impacted partners.

633
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
And we also have opt-in for emails.

634
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,000
We really want to make sure that we're communicating with all the people who, I280s of feed or two.

635
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
We're going to affect school.

636
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,000
We're laying closures.

637
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,000
We're going to affect getting to work on time with or not in the morning so much.

638
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
We're not expecting to work on the freeway until 10.

639
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,000
That's what usually the encroachment permits give us.

640
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Coming home and midday.

641
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,000
So there will be an extensive communications plan.

642
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Some of you may or may not know.

643
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,000
I also participated as a leadership when we did the SR-17.

644
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,000
You might recall that in Las Gatos from 2019 and 2020.

645
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
And we had an extensive plan there too.

646
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Caltrans requires an extensive communications plan in order to do the work and give us the encroachment permits to.

647
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000
And it involves everyone.

648
00:54:51,000 --> 00:55:00,000
The Sheriff's Office, law enforcement, PHP, both fire agencies that serve this area, etc.

649
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,000
And then for residents on the right hand side, there will be signs, flyers, mailers.

650
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Again, the opt-in to the email list.

651
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:17,000
And we will make sure that the media releases have two stages where we're working this week.

652
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
We're going to have a couple of weeks on deck for next week so you can plan ahead.

653
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,000
And then social media, sign up for all your social media sources.

654
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
And then you'll be able to reach and need directly as well.

655
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
Questions?

656
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,000
And we already have been pushing forward things in your town weekly in the news letters.

657
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:39,000
And we have, we press cross-amplify each other social media posts, so that will continue.

658
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
Next slide.

659
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How it will be affecting a traffic is this plan has been developed by licensed traffic control engineers.

660
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,000
That's what they do.

661
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,000
It's also approved by Caltrans.

662
00:55:52,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Caltrans says extensive amount of requirements around how you close lanes, closed shoulders, that type of thing.

663
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,000
The request in the encroachment permit is only for slow lane for your freeway closures.

664
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:11,000
The freeway will never be all the way shut down unless something unexpected happens like a tree where to come down, something like that.

665
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,000
And it's a rolling lane closure.

666
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:19,000
So it moves down the side of the freeway rolling along at about half mile, you know, start to finish.

667
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
And pathways we will be getting a town permit.

668
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
We've been working with your staff for that.

669
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
And there will be pathways sometimes that are completely closed.

670
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,000
And those will be noticed at least a week in advance.

671
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,000
And then we open again by the time we're off of the pathway.

672
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Unless something happens that we weren't expecting like tree fall,

673
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,000
or we're not able to remove all the debris and that are remain closed.

674
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:50,000
And we will have signage and workers because we know people tend to want to go around the layframes and things.

675
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:56,000
So we'll have escorts as well as signage that it's closed.

676
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Okay, next slide.

677
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
These are the types of signs that will be out there.

678
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,000
And this is the a little update on the.

679
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Magdalene interchange and the Magdalene East Brook project.

680
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,000
So Magdalene interchange is technically part of the I280.

681
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:22,000
Freeway project and at the same time we will be doing the Magdalene East Brook evacuation route maintenance.

682
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,000
This will be its third cycle.

683
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,000
And instead of impacting residents twice we're going to put these projects running simultaneously.

684
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000
So that the rolling link closers can happen all during the same two weeks cycle.

685
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,000
So we won't have two projects back to back effectively stretching out things into a month.

686
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
We decided run them concurrently.

687
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Next slide.

688
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,000
A little bit more information on the field operations planning for the Magdalene interchange.

689
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:01,000
So that again, the big benefits here are that will be two weeks worth of work instead of four weeks worth of work.

690
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
Next slide.

691
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:08,000
And here we are protect life property and community safety.

692
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,000
That's what we're all about why we're implementing this this large connectivity project.

693
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Here's my email.

694
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000
I'd love to have your comments concerns.

695
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:24,000
The goal is that we'll be assembling a FAQ section on our website and we'll just continue to grow as people.

696
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Bring forward the things that they want to know about the project and the things that.

697
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,000
The questions and ideas and things like that the scope of work is pretty much already finished and set.

698
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:42,000
It's been approved at the state level with the exemption and in the RFPs, but we'll do everything to make it.

699
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:51,000
Easier and understandable on all of the residents that it will impact and the people passing through our area on the University.

700
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,000
Give and report.

701
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Thank you very much.

702
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Appreciate that. Any questions from the council.

703
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Not really a question but this has been a long term time coming is a giant project.

704
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
I appreciate the efforts on outreach.

705
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,000
I think it's a great experience. You've gained from the Cloverley work that was done last year because we're working with Caltrans.

706
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,000
I think it's some experience helps.

707
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,000
And so I'm really eager to see this come to fruition.

708
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:29,000
Yeah. I think I brought this up five or six years ago and I'm glad it's finally going through and I was talking to somebody from Pacifica.

709
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,000
And they're interested in doing it too and I said well talk to us because you guys are doing it.

710
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,000
I told them we were paying for it and they weren't happy about that.

711
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
I said no count times I don't think it's paying for it.

712
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:46,000
But there's a lot of interest on up the peninsula about doing the same thing because it's a big issue along the freeway.

713
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
So thank you.

714
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Yes.

715
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,000
Welcome. Thank you.

716
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,000
And Caltrans is a huge contributor.

717
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:58,000
They are the largest in kind contributor with the encroachment permits, the traffic control and the debris removal.

718
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
So they're not writing a chat.

719
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,000
So I really appreciate the work that's gone into planning this and the focus and the coordination with

720
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:24,000
council trends. I'm sure this was not easy. I have a few questions. One is, so this fuel break along 280,

721
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:30,000
how long will that last? I mean, when do we have to do this again?

722
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:38,000
I like that you're planning it for maintenance. Very good. Our evacuation route maintenance projects.

723
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:45,000
We reach those every two years. There's some variables, of course, on a freeway. The strip is wider. The work is wider.

724
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:53,000
It depends on how much rain you get, how hot it is. You know, mother nature gets the vote here on how fast vegetation returns.

725
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:59,000
It hasn't been done before. So we don't have a specific maintenance cycle.

726
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,000
And of course, the impact of the budget will have something to do with it.

727
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:14,000
The SR-17 by the third year, we were finding a lot of ladder fuels that come back, broom, some small saplings, things like that.

728
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,000
And the cow trans came in and did some maintenance, not as extensive as a shaded fuel break at about five years.

729
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:29,000
And then Santa Cruz County did its side, and their maintenance happened at about between three and four years.

730
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:39,000
So I would say three to five year range. We really need to figure out how to keep the maintenance cycle going to keep to maintain the safety.

731
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:52,000
You mentioned evacuation routes. One of the other questions that has come up before, and I don't know if there's any update from your site on this is, you know,

732
01:01:52,000 --> 01:02:11,000
making sure that the pathways are also addressed as potential evacuation routes, because in our town, there are places where, because there is no alternative route, there's only a single route out that the residents may be using a pathway as an evacuation route.

733
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:17,000
So is there any effort to kind of clean up those pathways?

734
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Just started talking with a director, Kim, and the main supervisor of what kind of program that could look like.

735
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:33,000
But again, we're going to discourage the use of pathways as a very, very last resort.

736
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:44,000
It's just, if you've been imagined waking up at midnight in the dark can't find your glasses, you're trying to walk somewhere, and it's a very, very smoky and you can't see.

737
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:58,000
There is such a large chance that you will not get out, you will not know where you're going, even if the wildfire doesn't directly impact your survival, just being lost in the heat in the dark will impact your survival.

738
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:14,000
It's, it's very unlikely that pathways need to be, you know, in any of the top of the planning, and it's also draws down your fire response, because life is first, then property, and then environment.

739
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:19,000
So they're going to go looking for people that are on pathways, and they're not going to be fighting.

740
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:30,000
Let me give you an example of, of actual situations, so you're familiar, possibly with the saddle mountain area, there's only one road that goes into saddle mountain.

741
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:42,000
And if that road were somehow obstructed because of fire, there's no other way for people to get out safely, other than the studs pathway.

742
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:48,000
It was during a place inside a house with clean air is safer than wandering in the dark in spoken air.

743
01:03:48,000 --> 01:04:01,000
No, no question. I don't think anybody would voluntarily choose the pathway over the road, but the point is that if you only have one way out by road, and that's not available, then you're going to use a pathway.

744
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:09,000
But, actually, in that situation, you're incident commander will tell you, if those, if it's even viable, if it's easy.

745
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:28,000
Anyway, that's the source of the concern, is that there are certain pathways that we think merit, you know, closer review, because they are the only alternative in the event that a road that a single road that you know, exit is blocked.

746
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:36,000
And like I said, we have, I have started talking with your director of public works and your main and staff about what could that look like.

747
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000
All right, very good. We should that.

748
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
And I can say something about that.

749
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:53,000
I agree that evacuating early is your best solution, but if you look at the eaten fires and the Pacific Palace aids, there are blocks would not a single house survived.

750
01:04:53,000 --> 01:05:03,000
And so sheltering in place was not a good option, anybody who sheltered in place in that area did not make it. So it's hard to weigh what you should do.

751
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:09,000
First of all, get out of there, but if you don't in time, you know, I think we have to try to give them another way.

752
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Yeah, definitely use many alternatives as possible.

753
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:21,000
Okay, my last question has to do with my favorite topic is the H.I. Z, which I love that program.

754
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,000
I wish that everybody in town would get one.

755
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Folks, if you haven't yet gotten your H.I. Z, please get one.

756
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
It's free. It's very informative.

757
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,000
It gives you great input on how to keep your home safe and resilient for against fire.

758
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,000
But my specific question is, is the rebate still $3,000 or is it going to go up?

759
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Under discussion. Yes, it is still $3,000 and raising it is under discussion that has come up several times.

760
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,000
Okay, is there a timeline for that?

761
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:02,000
The county budget is our timeline in our guide or so I'm sure Jay has an update now or after the budget's approved.

762
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Thank you very much for all your work and for the presentation.

763
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Thank you.

764
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:14,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That's a good segue into my conversation of the two partnerships with the town.

765
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,000
And thank you all, Council for assisting us and being our partner in this I280 project.

766
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
You're a very important component.

767
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:27,000
And as you can see, we're working with a couple of your committees and commissions and also working with your maintenance staff.

768
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:35,000
So this collaboration is just really exciting when we meet in collaborative conversation every Wednesday with the office of the fire marshal.

769
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Jay Bradford in in in that community development and the lost out to the sales county fire district.

770
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,000
So we're very pleased for this this kind of cooperation.

771
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,000
The last three days we have been in budget hearings with the Board of Supervisors all day.

772
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,000
I will announce that back in April when I presented here.

773
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:03,000
We talked about the two partnerships, which is the enhancement to the HIZ program, which would be a tree hazard assessment.

774
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:12,000
For eligible for rebate and then also a shared services resource to work with the town on its emergency plan emergency preparedness.

775
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Those two have gone forward.

776
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:29,000
I went from the April meeting with this council to the commission then spoke with the commission and the commission was the fire commission was very supportive of those two programs gave me direction to follow through and to make progress.

777
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
And so I've spent that time doing that.

778
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,000
To make the tree hazard program work from a budget perspective.

779
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:47,000
We had to go back to the county with a budget modification for $109,000 to elevate the total amount of $600,000 in that program.

780
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:52,000
That just went in front of the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday of this week.

781
01:07:52,000 --> 01:08:04,000
It was not contested. It was not pulled off a consent. So it passed consent went to the Board of Supervisors today and about three o'clock and was able to make it through that round.

782
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:18,000
So at this point I can stand and say you're the first to know even the commission doesn't know this yet except for the two council members or commissioners that the $109,000 is now added to the modified budget for the district for the fire district.

783
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:25,000
That's the funding part. Now what I have to do staff has to do is go to the program part.

784
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,000
And so we're putting the program part is to how this tree hazard assessment program is going to work.

785
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:42,000
That will be part of the HIC advisory and part of a written memorandum to the commission and then ultimately up to the Board of Supervisors for approval.

786
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:52,000
So that's where we are with that program. So making progress a lot of steps we have to go through and it's that same rigor of steps for the shared services have to get a budget.

787
01:08:52,000 --> 01:09:08,000
It's not been approved yet but we've got to get a budget and then get a MOA memorandum of understanding with the with central fire the fire department as to how to make payment for the hours that are being logged right now for the town to help with the emergency management assessment.

788
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:18,000
So that's pretty much my update wanted to give you that and you're the first to know. I will be reporting this on to you see at the fire commission meeting. Thank you.

789
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:34,000
We certainly appreciate the support of the emergency management role as well as the enhanced tree rebate our trees program. So I really appreciate all of the efforts there any comments from the council.

790
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,000
Now just to say this extraordinary progress we've come a long way.

791
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:47,000
Yes, our residents for asking for this for a very very long time and it's the fact that it's approved it's huge. Yes, thank you so much. Thank you.

792
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Yeah, thank you. Appreciate your efforts. Thank you to your team. Yes, thank you.

793
01:09:52,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Okay, moving along. I think the next one is our proclamation recognizing the 250th Anniversary.

794
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:11,000
With Anniversary of the United States. That's one.

795
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:28,000
Thank you. As you all know, this is the 250th Anniversary, which is the sesquist Centennial. And so we have a population.

796
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,000
So I'll read it. Would you like to wear your hat with us?

797
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,000
So red white and low.

798
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Whereas the year 2026 marks the 250th Anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence and the founding of the United States of America.

799
01:10:52,000 --> 01:11:11,000
And whereas the United States semi-quince Centennial provides an opportunity for communities across the nation to reflect upon the ideals of liberty, self-government, equality and civic participation that has shaped our nation's history.

800
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:27,000
And whereas local governments are cornerstone of American democracy, delivering essential public services and providing residents with accountable, responsive, inclusive, ethical, and transparent governance.

801
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:41,000
And whereas the nation's smallest villages to the largest cities, local governments have played a vital role in the growth, prosperity and democratic development of the United States of America.

802
01:11:41,000 --> 01:12:04,000
And whereas the town of Los Angeles is incorporated in 1956, 70 years ago, has long been committed to preserving its unique rural character, fostering civic engagement and serving the public through dedicated elected officials, commissioners, staff and community volunteers.

803
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:14,000
And whereas the semi-quince Centennial presents an opportunity for the town and its residents to celebrate our shared history.

804
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Honor the contributions of past generations and inspire future generations through education, preservation and innovative and innovation, and whereas the residents of Los Angeles can commemorate this historic milestone to civic educational, cultural and community activities that strengthen appreciation for our nation's heritage and democratic institutions.

805
01:12:43,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Now, therefore, regime, battasia, mayor of the town of Los Angeles, together with Vice Mayor George Tyson, and Council Member Skavita Tonka, myself, Linda Swan and Stan Mach, do hereby complete proclaim, June 18, 2026, as a day of recognition and celebration of the United States's 250th anniversary in the town of Los Angeles.

806
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:26,000
We encourage all residences, businesses, schools and community organizations to participate in activities that commemorate our nation's 250th anniversary.

807
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:33,000
We reflect on our shared history and contribute to a stronger future for generations to come.

808
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:46,000
In witnessware of we have here unto set our hands on this 18th day of June 2026, celebrating the United States 250th anniversary.

809
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:05,000
And now I believe we have the poet laureate of the town is going to give a form for us.

810
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,000
Our first contribution from.

811
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,000
Will you mention we are asking you to unmute yourself. You are good to go when you're ready.

812
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:24,000
Okay. Hi everyone. My name is William and I just want to say thank you for giving me this opportunity to present my poem.

813
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,000
In celebration of the 250th anniversary of the U.S.

814
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:39,000
So I remember my poem basically it's called Flimphritum and I just wrote it basically about the U.S. and what I believe it's like core values are in just try to express it basically in a poem.

815
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Okay. So freedom of flame passed hand to hand, running bright through dark days.

816
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,000
Hope rises like the sun, living on rooftops, sparking on fields, the same first life for everyone.

817
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:59,000
A thousand hands sparked the same fire, a thousand different poems holding a single strand of hope that ties them all together tomorrow better than today.

818
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000
The Flimphritum.

819
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,000
No waves, red like the blood, fighting to keep the fire burning, while like the stars like guide our dreams, blue like the purpose, the every voice will rise and carry hope.

820
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:16,000
Freedom is not the end. She is a garden, tended to still weed's pulled, seeds sewn, season after season.

821
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:24,000
250 years later, and still the torches pass. Still hope rises, stubborn, golden, and free.

822
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,000
Okay, and that's my poem. Thank you.

823
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,000
All right.

824
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Thank the next item is presentations from the floor.

825
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:49,000
Persons wishing to address the council any subject not on the agenda may do so now.

826
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:55,000
Please complete a speaker card located on the back table of the council chambers and submitted to the city clerk.

827
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:03,000
Comments are limited to two minutes per speaker. California law prohibits the council from acting on items that do not appear in the agenda.

828
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:10,000
Upon resolution previously adopted by the city council, such items can be referred to staff or appropriate action.

829
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:18,000
Which may include placement on the next available agenda. Please come to the podium, stage your name and address for the record before your comment.

830
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,000
I see some people already lined up. Mr. Grady.

831
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Yes, Michael Grady. Thank you.

832
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:33,000
Last year, the town received an SV 330 development application for greater than 300 units on the Twin Ops property.

833
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:40,000
It's my understanding that the town has advised the applicant that the application was not complete.

834
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:50,000
But even aside from the issue of the completeness of the application, I've recently become aware of fact showing that the application is invalid.

835
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:58,000
The application asserts that it was authorized by an entity that purported to own the Twin Ops property.

836
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:03,000
But that entity did not in fact own the property.

837
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Take a look at California revenue and taxation code section two three three zero two sub paragraph D.

838
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:25,000
So I submit that it's appropriate and indeed, I believe the town has a fiduciary duty to reject the current SV 330 application as invalid. Thank you.

839
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:35,000
That's my servants.

840
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,000
Sure, let's.

841
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,000
For 25 years, Hills 2000 protected Los Alto Cills.

842
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:51,000
Now they've passed the torch to new organization operating under the banner of friends of the hills Los Alto Cills residence association.

843
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:57,000
They've planned to carry forward their legacy of preserving the character of the hills.

844
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Our mission is to keep residents informed connected and engaged.

845
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:12,000
We are neighbors who love this town and believe it informed engaged residents produce better outcomes than any individual advocate could alone.

846
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:20,000
We look forward to collaborating with the town on the complex issues that we are currently facing and we hope you will all join our organization.

847
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:33,000
In addition to our brochure, which I will hand out, I'd also like to provide each of you with a hard copy of it in the analysis we sent you today regarding the towns alternatives in closing the gap in our 2031 arena allocation.

848
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,000
They have very different implications for our town.

849
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:47,000
One leads to a little over 5% increase in homes and residents in population growth.

850
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
The other nearly 30%.

851
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:58,000
I urge the town to appoint members of the Housing, Element, Custian and Committee and let them get to work, finding solutions to protect our town.

852
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
Time is of the essence.

853
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:11,000
You can always add to the committee as new volunteers come forth and I'll pass this out to each of you.

854
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:15,000
Thank you, Miss Jones.

855
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:27,000
Good evening.

856
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,000
Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the council.

857
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,000
My name is Rose Morinam.

858
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:40,000
I live at 10869 more a drive and I've been living there since 2011.

859
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:51,000
I'm here tonight to bring to your attention an annexation issue that's been overlooked for far too long by the town.

860
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:56,000
And I hope you will take this matter seriously.

861
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:06,000
So back in 2000, when I was not living on more a drive, and the entirety of more a drive was in unincorporated county.

862
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:13,000
The town entered into sewer extension agreement with 28 property owners.

863
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,000
And I have a map that I would love to refer you to.

864
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,000
So you can visualize the location.

865
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
So yes, the dark yellow.

866
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,000
Thank you.

867
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,000
The dark yellow line is more a drive.

868
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,000
And if you could just orient yourself properly.

869
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:37,000
What I, the top of Mora, upper mora starts at the bottom of the map.

870
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,000
That's the top of Mora that butts up against Rancho San Antonio.

871
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
And then it goes down.

872
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,000
It's less than a quarter mile long.

873
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,000
Very windy, very hilly.

874
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,000
And then it ends at Eastbrook.

875
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:59,000
That's the only section of Mora that is at issue in my request tonight.

876
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:07,000
So back in 2000, the town entered into a sewer extension agreement with 28 property owners.

877
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:14,000
None of the properties were in muscle to sales since then in 2011.

878
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000
2012 upper mora was annexed.

879
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,000
And then and then five more houses.

880
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,000
But the pockets that still remain in unincorporated county.

881
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:32,000
Still remain the red outline sections and the two blue outline sections.

882
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:37,000
So I have provided a detailed email to all of you previously.

883
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,000
I hope you'll be that carefully.

884
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:46,000
And that we can complete the annexation as it was originally intended.

885
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,000
Thank you.

886
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Good evening council members.

887
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:06,000
My name's Bella and I am a property owner on Terry way.

888
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:13,000
So I respect my neighbors perspective but I would like the council to also consider the entrance.

889
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:41,000
This is our properties and made investment decisions based on the existing county jurisdiction.

890
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:47,000
Not on assumption made by prior owners more than two decades ago.

891
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:55,000
And my property is currently going through an active county review process that has required substantial time.

892
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:02,000
Expense and reliance on the existing regulatory framework.

893
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Well, I respect different opinions on a decision.

894
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:15,000
But I don't believe there's any urgent public health or safety issue requiring immediate action.

895
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:30,000
After more than 26 years it's reasonable to fully evaluate the impacts on current property owners and ongoing county applications before moving forward.

896
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:38,000
An decision should not disadvantage property owners who have acted in good face under the existing county process.

897
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Thank you for your time.

898
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,000
Thank you.

899
01:23:45,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to add to what Mr. Grady said earlier.

900
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:22,000
The SB 330 that was submitted in August of 2025 was for approximately 330 and change single family lots subdividing the 612.5 acre parcels.

901
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:33,000
The town's position and documentation from public records says that the SB 330 preliminary application was incomplete.

902
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:44,000
And it states that no vested rights have been obtained and the process that follows if it had been complete has not been followed.

903
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,000
Without going through all the back and forth occurred between August and January of 26.

904
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:58,000
On January of 30th, 2026 the town received revision one of what was called a complete application.

905
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:11,000
The significance of that is it was three weeks prior to the 180 day deadline required in order to go from a preliminary application to a complete application.

906
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Clearly the applicant still believes the SB 330 is valid and vested.

907
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:30,000
The town's position appears to be unchanged but it's less than clear.

908
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:40,000
The discussions with the town are to say the least not very responsive.

909
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:51,000
I have raised this issue with you in the last three months and I see no action whatsoever on the part of the town attorney to do anything about it.

910
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Stephen I have been in communication on it and I appreciate some of the points that is made as to needing more time.

911
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:09,000
But if we allow the applicant to continue to spend money on an application that the town believes has not got any vested rights.

912
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:21,000
I believe that is very poor judgment and could prejudices if we end up in court and as we went through today we seem to have a lot of legal things going on.

913
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:32,000
So I request the council to please get the town staff and town attorney to make the position clear one way or the other.

914
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,000
Thank you very much.

915
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:47,000
And by the way he has received the town attorney as received information from Mr. Grady and I did point out that a number of claims made by the lawyer that see where et cetera is exempt are incorrect.

916
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,000
So we're willing to put roll up our sleeves.

917
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,000
Thank you.

918
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,000
Hi.

919
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,000
My name is Beth most and I live at 26501 per cent.

920
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000
I miss most.

921
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,000
I think you're if I'm not mistaken your item is coming up later on the agenda.

922
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,000
This is for items that are not on the agenda.

923
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,000
I know you may be new to this, but that's.

924
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Thank you.

925
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Okay.

926
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Any public comment of.

927
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
No hands raised on the floor.

928
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
All right.

929
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:27,000
We'll close the presentations from the floor and bring that back to council now.

930
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:36,000
I think the next item is information items from on the disbursement report and the treasures report any anything reportable.

931
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,000
Nothing.

932
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,000
All right.

933
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,000
And then we'll move on to the consent calendar.

934
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:49,000
I think we've previously approved the contents of the consent calendar including the community fiber item.

935
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:56,000
I will need to recuse on one item because it's within 500 feet of my house.

936
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000
And that would be the.

937
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:07,000
I guess.

938
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,000
Is item G.

939
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,000
So how do we want to handle that.

940
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Mayor, since if it remains on consent, you can simply note your extension for the record and then the council can act on.

941
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,000
A motion that you can participate on for the consent agenda.

942
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,000
You do not need to step down when the items are consent.

943
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,000
Okay.

944
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Would anybody like to make a motion on the consent item?

945
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,000
I move that.

946
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,000
We approve the consent calendar.

947
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Do we need public comment on it first?

948
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,000
Sorry.

949
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,000
Good.

950
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Mr. Mocker.

951
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,000
I actually wanted to have some short report on the fiber.

952
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,000
On enrichment.

953
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:53,000
I don't know if this is possible, but got them is here to do.

954
01:28:53,000 --> 01:29:00,000
We could take that off of consent and have a make a two or three minute summation of what's going on.

955
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Is that okay?

956
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,000
Anybody can pull something from consent right?

957
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,000
Okay.

958
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,000
So we'll pull it from consent.

959
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Sorry.

960
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,000
Oh, we can just.

961
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000
Just take a comment from him.

962
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,000
Yeah.

963
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,000
Yeah.

964
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,000
I'm okay with that.

965
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,000
Let's just.

966
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
Would that be all right?

967
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,000
We just approve it under consent, but allowed Mr. Agrawaldis.

968
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,000
Doctor Agrawaldis.

969
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,000
Speak on it.

970
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,000
Please.

971
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,000
All right.

972
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,000
Well, then let's entertain a motion.

973
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,000
But I think we need public comment first, right?

974
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,000
Okay.

975
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,000
Any public comment on items on the consent calendar?

976
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Yes, sir.

977
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,000
This is on.

978
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:46,000
This is on item six C.

979
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,000
No.

980
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,000
Six is not on this.

981
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,000
Yeah.

982
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
I'm still.

983
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
All right.

984
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Okay.

985
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Anybody online?

986
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,000
No, me.

987
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
All right.

988
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Public comment on the consent calendar and bring it back to council. May I get a motion? Sure. I move that for you

989
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:12,000
approve the consent calendar. All right. Second, Mr. Miller, could you take a roll call please?

990
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Council member Mark. Yes. Council member Swine. Yes. Council member Tonka. Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson. Mayor Battasia. Yes. But the exception that I will not be voting on six. I'm sorry on five. G.

991
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,000
No, that's four zero on that one.

992
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:37,000
Okay. Now we move on to ongoing business.

993
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,000
I thought you were not allowed to go.

994
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000
Go to help quickly. I forget.

995
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,000
Doctor, I'll go well by apologies.

996
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,000
Could you guys have the document, my chance?

997
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,000
I see if she's running the show now.

998
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,000
Okay. Thank you.

999
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,000
All right. So.

1000
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,000
Just a quick update on the fiber project.

1001
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,000
So lots of good news.

1002
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:09,000
I'll go through stepwise what we're talking about here. What's left and then I can show you essentially what has been completed.

1003
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:16,000
There were three large tasks in the project. We'll call them task A, B and C.

1004
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:26,000
Task A was the portion that hooks cream on road up towards town hall area, which will lead to eventually town hall and further extension had to repeat that.

1005
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:33,000
That is completed permanent as closed everything done task and that was sort of the middle sized version of it.

1006
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Task B is the stone book section which is quite large and that was by far the most large amount of boring and stuff.

1007
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,000
That is also completed entirely.

1008
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,000
And then what we're left with is has C, which was kind of a coordination with foothill.

1009
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:57,000
Foothill was gracious enough to allow us to use some of their existing underground conduit to hook up our arc instead of having to dig through it.

1010
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,000
And by doing that, we also will a lot foothill to use the fiber network and stuff.

1011
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,000
So it was a kind of a partnership in win-win.

1012
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,000
But then we had to run through the administrative layer of foothill.

1013
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,000
That took a little longer than expected.

1014
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:15,000
You're expecting everything to be completed in terms of physical work by the end of the month by June 30th.

1015
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:23,000
However, technically to close those permits out, it may take a few more days and stuff for inspections and whatnot, but we're on track.

1016
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:34,000
And so that was the reason for the short extension not to complete any additional work, but to make sure administratively we took care of everything from what it sounds like lots of lots of stuff is.

1017
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:40,000
You know, if you can scroll down a little bit, I think I have a couple other updates.

1018
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,000
There, maybe to the next page.

1019
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,000
There we go.

1020
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:55,000
Okay, so I'm not sure if you can see this, but essentially the foothill project A basically passed around 30 homes.

1021
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:02,000
There are seven homes that are essentially signed up ready to connect or in the process of being connected, you know,

1022
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:08,000
that we're going to be signing up soon. So that's about 25-ish percent of the past homes are being connected.

1023
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:16,000
For Stonebrook, we've got about 14 total, give or take six of already committed committed and we've got eight more that are likely to commit.

1024
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:23,000
And in addition, both of those have each of them have spawned smaller other projects with additional five and additional five.

1025
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:30,000
So, you know, you're looking at what 14 plus seven is 21 plus another 10 31 houses, roughly speaking,

1026
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:38,000
with the project. So overall between 25-35 percent adoption rate and that's just out the gates, we think that'll eventually get higher.

1027
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,000
So, you know, all of this looks like it's been fairly successful.

1028
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Have any answer to any other questions or if there's any other details you'd like to know about it, please go ahead.

1029
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,000
Are you on budget?

1030
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Well, one thing to point out is, no matter what the cost was, the town would not pay a penny extra.

1031
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:04,000
So technically we're on budget. In reality, we went over and we absorbed some of the cost.

1032
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:09,000
So the town should not see a penny over what we agreed upon.

1033
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:16,000
There's a system work and if it does work, how does it work? Does it work fine?

1034
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,000
Or is it just muddling long?

1035
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:27,000
No, no, I mean, we haven't yet hooked up these folks, but when we hook them up, this will be, you know, you'll get 10 giga optical to the house.

1036
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:32,000
So, and one of the nice things about this, I'll just kind of tune a little horn here.

1037
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,000
It's very easy for us to move to 40 giga or 100 giga optical if we need to.

1038
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:43,000
So whoever does get this will have an absurd amount of bandwidth that they need it.

1039
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,000
Very good.

1040
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:51,000
So I think we've allowed for a six-month extension to complete the third task.

1041
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:56,000
I'm hoping it'll only be a few more weeks to get it in that.

1042
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,000
All right. I'll thank you for the for the great work.

1043
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,000
Thank you.

1044
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:08,000
Okay. Now we're going to move on to items under.

1045
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,000
I'm going, I'm sorry, public hearing.

1046
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,000
I know you were right the first time on this.

1047
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,000
I'm going business.

1048
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:23,000
And I do know there's some we move six A into consent.

1049
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,000
So we have six B and six C.

1050
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,000
If it make please the council, there are people waiting to speak on six C as you've seen.

1051
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Is it okay for us to move that ahead of six B any objection to that?

1052
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Is there anybody here to talk about six B?

1053
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,000
Yeah, I think six B is going to be a longer discussion potentially.

1054
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,000
Okay.

1055
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:51,000
All right. So with that, we'll move on to item six C,

1056
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,000
which is review of the town's code enforcement program.

1057
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,000
And I think we have a staff report on it first.

1058
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:01,000
Yes. Sorry for the delay here.

1059
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,000
The or reward.

1060
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Call me by surprise.

1061
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:20,000
Thank you, Mayor council members members of the public.

1062
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:27,000
We were asked at a prior council meeting to talk about our code enforcement program.

1063
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:34,000
And it's efficacy in resolving code enforcement violations.

1064
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:47,000
That conversation spawned a request to come back tonight with identifying gaps within the code enforcement program that the council could consider to add to the toolbox of

1065
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,000
remedies that the staff would be able to apply.

1066
01:36:50,000 --> 01:37:01,000
If, in fact, code enforcement violations do exist and persist longer than what some of the, I think, expectations for the town residents are.

1067
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,000
So with that today, we'll give you a review of the town's code enforcement programs.

1068
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:15,000
And also look at some of the existing programs in other communities that we could utilize here.

1069
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:23,000
And then give you a chance to discuss and give some direction to staff, which will ultimately if directed.

1070
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Resulting modifications to the ordinances that affect code enforcement.

1071
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:41,000
So as part of the town's existing code enforcement programs, we have notices of violations that are tied to new citizens within the town.

1072
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:50,000
And we also have an abatement process, we have similar criminal remedies and other misdemeanor prosecution that we can use for code enforcement.

1073
01:37:50,000 --> 01:38:01,000
Sometimes some of those later tools are a little bit more blunt than we need with the voluntary compliance, which is what we seek, often with education.

1074
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:08,000
First, and then support of the residents to be able to make sure they can work their way through processes.

1075
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:19,000
Most outstanding and long lasting code enforcement cases are related to those that often require additional regulatory review like approvals.

1076
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:35,000
So we do have a fairly robust program currently, but we do have some gaps in those middleing areas where if we don't get immediate compliance, that it does take a lot of staff time to be able to get through.

1077
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:44,000
So with that, you can see here that our code enforcement receives a complaint goes to investigation if a violation is identified, then it goes to a notice of violation.

1078
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:49,000
From that process, then the the results do vary.

1079
01:38:49,000 --> 01:39:02,000
Most often times we end up recording a notice of a violation with the county and the violation then does not go address until the property sales or some transaction happens with the property.

1080
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,000
So not very successful at getting compliance.

1081
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:14,000
So the programs now that we want to talk about that other communities have are the administrative cost recovery program.

1082
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:24,000
This is where if you found a violation then we would be able to start to build for staff time to help residents through that process.

1083
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:34,000
And that could come in the form of any number of tasks that staff may be able to to utilize.

1084
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:51,000
Certainly attorney time and other costs that the code enforcement program may generate using cost recovery mechanisms like this typically allow for the code enforcement program to generate some revenues to then offset the.

1085
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:59,000
What is typically a general fund subsidy because code enforcement right now is currently subsidized 100% by the general fund.

1086
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,000
The next option we have our administrative citations.

1087
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:10,000
These come in the form very much like a ticket and can have escalations.

1088
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,000
You can have.

1089
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:22,000
Penalties that are are by a currents of violation, which you can also have penalties that escalate by.

1090
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:29,000
The duration of penalty and so these are meant to be.

1091
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:38,000
First you know soft and then you know as you know potential delays occur start to ramp up.

1092
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:50,000
And these are tools that we don't necessarily plan on using immediately but we want to have them in our toolkit if in fact we do need to help motivate in some of these instances.

1093
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:56,000
Some of the reasons why the sorry.

1094
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:00,000
The citations are effective are are because of that escalation.

1095
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:11,000
But there's also another potential way to to get compliance using a similar form of which is not necessarily detailed within the staff report.

1096
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,000
This is an administrative compliance order.

1097
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:19,000
Very much like our new sense process.

1098
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,000
You receive a complaint you investigate.

1099
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,000
It didn't if a violation is identified.

1100
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:30,000
You set a compliance deadline and associated that with adhering.

1101
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:37,000
And so that hearing then allows for a hearing officer to apply similar penalties to the citation program.

1102
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:43,000
But can also order other types of activities and and their.

1103
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:49,000
When asked of our code enforcement attorney Lance Bear who works under.

1104
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:53,000
An authorization from redwood public law with us.

1105
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:58,000
CGS that this is probably one of the the better tools to use along with the citation.

1106
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:02,000
So if you're going to do anything and code enforcement first recommendation with citations.

1107
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:11,000
The next is then the administrative compliance followed by cost recovery and then a few other things that we'll talk about in the next slides.

1108
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Right now and you'll see in the budget conversation that we're going to have later.

1109
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,000
We have a current penalty of 10 times.

1110
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:30,000
In the budget process we're proposing the four times the penalty and also we do have a retain the misdemeanor authorities and the municipal code.

1111
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:43,000
The reason why the proposed four times permit is because in addition to other things that regulations that we have for fees and impact fees things of that nature.

1112
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:49,000
When you look at a violation typically there's some proportionality to the violation that is occurring.

1113
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:59,000
And so if if that exceeds the proportionality then there could be the thought that there's the the the the the fine or the penalty becomes a fee.

1114
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:10,000
And then there need to be a nexus so best practice and again our code enforcement attorney recommends also the four percent are the four times multiplier.

1115
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:23,000
Just as a general concern when in your in code enforcement it's due process but some of the things that may be interesting to council are underlined at the very end here which are things like.

1116
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:38,000
Consideration of caps for penalties or fines hardship provisions and other options like payment plans if if individuals do happen to occur a number of costs associated with the code enforcement problem.

1117
01:43:54,000 --> 01:44:20,000
There's in noise inshits is drainage lighting landscaping want to be able to have a framework spelled out within the municipal code that they can work with their neighbors to be able to get a resolution without maybe having to to tax the code enforcement program and use again general fund subsidies to be able to.

1118
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:35,000
Resolve neighbor disputes with that then there'd also be a potential for a policy related to civil disputes and the towns emphasis on.

1119
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:46,000
Our interactions with those types of requests from our residents so this would help set expectations for when the town will be involved and when the town won't be involved if a request comes to us.

1120
01:44:46,000 --> 01:45:00,000
Those were the the suite of options from a code enforcement perspective that other communities have that we don't currently have within loss out to sales staff would ask that you you you direct us to come back.

1121
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:23,000
We'll go back with ordinance modifications that include all of those, but certainly what you'll see here is the list in its, I'm sorry, this order is a slightly off here, so it would go 2, 3, 1, 4, 5, 6.

1122
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,000
That's in order of what you're proposing.

1123
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,000
Yes, that's more, most valuable to least.

1124
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:43,000
Well, so when we talk about effectiveness of these tools, our code enforcement attorney suggested the citation program is the one that really drives home a lot of the compliance and other communities.

1125
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:46,000
So you would move number one to under four.

1126
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,000
Under number three.

1127
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,000
Under three.

1128
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000
Correct.

1129
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,000
All right.

1130
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,000
And if it's helpful, I can make that modifications of the slide.

1131
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
Yes.

1132
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,000
Is that the end of your slide?

1133
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,000
That was the end of the slide.

1134
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,000
Any questions from council?

1135
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,000
Collaborations.

1136
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:09,000
So the major focus of this, what would you say is it regarding construction activities?

1137
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:19,000
Yeah, when we gave the report in May of the, going by memory here, roughly 60 code enforcement cases that were currently managing more than half of those.

1138
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:25,000
Were cases tied to to some level of work without permits.

1139
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:34,000
And if you, if you'll recall, looking at the distribution of time that those have taken to resolve, they were all over a year somewhere well over three years.

1140
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
Okay.

1141
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:47,000
Because when it comes to say things like grass and brush the fire department, then go through a process where neighbors are, they're inspected by the county fire.

1142
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,000
And then they're issued a notice.

1143
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:55,000
And my sense is it's a relatively organized and thorough process.

1144
01:46:55,000 --> 01:47:02,000
And in effect, once a property, let's say, refuses or fails to do their grass removal, then they're put on a list.

1145
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,000
And then they get a fee for three years.

1146
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:10,000
And that seems to be a strong disincentive or strong incentive for them to get off that list.

1147
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:14,000
And so I just seen as though I've found that to be effective.

1148
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,000
And frankly, you know, we're all here representing everybody in all capacities.

1149
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:22,000
I have a pet peeve a few properties away from me.

1150
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,000
I can't get resolved all of the, the wooden junk that's piled up there.

1151
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:30,000
That's just a noise, the noise, a lot, a lot.

1152
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
There have that.

1153
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,000
And so.

1154
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:40,000
So that's the end of my questions, but I'm, I'm quite interested in beefing this up.

1155
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:45,000
And also in particular for fire safety things that are not currently covered.

1156
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,000
Okay.

1157
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,000
Should we open it up to public comment right there for the questions.

1158
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,000
Mr. Mark, did you have something?

1159
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,000
Okay.

1160
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,000
All right.

1161
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,000
And that case we will open it up for public comment.

1162
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,000
I think I am.

1163
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,000
Yeah.

1164
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:20,000
So I'm one of the over three years issues involving landslides and undermining my property.

1165
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:24,000
So last month we had a little report on this.

1166
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,000
I won't go over the whole thing again.

1167
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
But well.

1168
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:38,000
The issue is that the town hasn't been able to enforce its codes on unpermitted work to mitigate a dangerous situation on our property edge.

1169
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,000
And it's significant compromise of a creek bed and conservation area.

1170
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:49,000
As Jay was explaining in some of these gap cases.

1171
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:56,000
LAH doesn't have the procedures in place to really enforce the codes involving unpermitted work.

1172
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,000
Thanks to our mayor and new manager.

1173
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:06,000
We were able to attend a meeting with the code enforcement attorney and land spare and code enforcement officer.

1174
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,000
Jamie Evoos and as well as Jay I'm Cody.

1175
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,000
Mr. Bay is bear is working with Jaime.

1176
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,000
Sorry.

1177
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,000
I said Jamie.

1178
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,000
But to see how LAH may adopt procedures.

1179
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:24,000
Similar to surrounding cities for enforcement.

1180
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:34,000
We encourage the council to support a normalized structure for handling significant violations and forcing codes and restoration.

1181
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:42,000
We're particularly interested in restoration since our hill is undermined and there's already been one landslide.

1182
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:52,000
This will preserve the town's culture and respect for one another's neighbors and open space guidelines to keep our hills beautiful.

1183
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,000
I just wanted to look.

1184
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,000
There's a long report.

1185
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,000
We presented last time.

1186
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,000
I don't want to go over it.

1187
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,000
But if we could just look at page 12.

1188
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,000
And.

1189
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
Two.

1190
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:10,000
These are some of that violation codes in page 12 13 and 14.

1191
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,000
There's three pages of them.

1192
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,000
And the point is merely that there's.

1193
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,000
A ton of violations here.

1194
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
So it's like a big deal.

1195
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:24,000
So we've made a list of ones that we think are being violated.

1196
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,000
Thank you for your time.

1197
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,000
We didn't get your name for the record.

1198
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,000
Please.

1199
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
Can you state your name for the record?

1200
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000
I'm sorry.

1201
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,000
I'll wait a minute.

1202
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,000
And two, six, nine, two, five.

1203
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,000
Next please.

1204
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,000
Hi.

1205
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,000
My name is Beth most.

1206
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
And I live at two, six, five, one.

1207
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,000
I'm a puristima.

1208
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:54,000
And I've had the pleasure of living in Los Alto Cells for 20 years.

1209
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,000
And I spoke last month about code enforcement.

1210
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,000
I'm greatly encouraged by the report and the proposal.

1211
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:04,000
Unfortunately, I feel like it's too late for my experience.

1212
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,000
And I'm just going to run through my experience.

1213
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:10,000
Again, just to remind everybody how difficult it has been.

1214
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:16,000
In October 2024, I reported an unpromoted pickleball court.

1215
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,000
That was constructed right next to my home.

1216
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,000
I waited patiently.

1217
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,000
Six months later, the town's own removal deadline passed with no action taken.

1218
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:33,000
Over a year later, I was still waiting for any sort of code enforcement.

1219
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,000
And I was becoming increasingly frustrated.

1220
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:42,000
And at that point, I felt I had no reports other than to hire an attorney to write a letter to the town.

1221
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:46,000
I was simply asking the town to enforce their own rules.

1222
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,000
I understand you're giving the town more tools.

1223
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:54,000
The town did have tools, in my case, but they chose not to use them.

1224
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:02,000
As a result of that letter, the town finally imposed deadlines that were subsequently ignored by my name.

1225
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:09,000
The town granted him extension after extension until 19 months later.

1226
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:16,000
After zero enforcement and zero penalties, he simply moved on to the planning commission.

1227
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:20,000
I'm assuming that he's going to sail through and be rubber stamp by the planning commission,

1228
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:24,000
because as the neighbor was impacted by this illegal pickleball court,

1229
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,000
I have not heard anything about what's going on.

1230
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:32,000
I'm leaving a handout with the full timeline and the violations for your reference,

1231
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,000
but I just still ask, how was this possible?

1232
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:45,000
And why did I, as a resident, why do I have to spend so much time, energy, and my own resources to try to get the town to enforce their own code?

1233
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:47,000
It's not right.

1234
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:55,000
And I'd also like you to consider what messages the town's sending to all the residents who abide by the rules and abide by the town code.

1235
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:00,000
Thank you very much.

1236
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:02,000
Hello.

1237
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,000
I'm Donna Grishinski and I live on Casimir Way.

1238
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:14,000
And I have a situation that has come about where a neighbor started grading the property.

1239
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,000
They're higher than I am.

1240
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,000
They're higher here.

1241
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:26,000
And they're sort of grading right next to my fence to put in a supposedly parking strip all the way down,

1242
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,000
which would have gone by my pool and my backyard.

1243
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:34,000
So that they could have parking for their big parties.

1244
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:40,000
This came about on a Saturday and they had three bobcats over there working.

1245
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:47,000
And Sunday morning and went over because the contract was there working on Sunday and I thought, well, they're not supposed to be working on Sunday.

1246
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,000
So I asked them what they were doing.

1247
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,000
They explained to me that the owner wants more parking for his big parties.

1248
01:53:55,000 --> 01:54:11,000
So he's going to put in this as it turned out to be a 1200 square foot gravel driveway all the way down by my fence past my family room living room master bedroom and pool and patio area.

1249
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:18,000
So I said, I called on Monday and told the town asked him if they had a permit.

1250
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,000
It just turned out they did not have a permit.

1251
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:30,000
So Jaime came out the code enforcement man came out on Tuesday and asked him to stop the project.

1252
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:35,000
Well, they took lunch and they came back and started again.

1253
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:47,000
So they went and I kept taking pictures and sending photos in to the town telling him they're still working, sending things to Jaime telling him he came out the next week.

1254
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,000
He told them again to stop working.

1255
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:56,000
Well, another lunch time went by and they kept on grading and working.

1256
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:00,000
This went on for almost four weeks.

1257
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:09,000
They have graded a huge amount of their property and they were supposed to go back and put it back into place.

1258
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:17,000
I was told they're going to put it back because they actually got refused for that particular situation.

1259
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:27,000
Okay, so anyway my concern is what can we do about getting something done quicker and something.

1260
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:35,000
So that I know there's only one code enforcement person but we really need to have something done so that they will stop.

1261
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:40,000
Thank you.

1262
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Hi, I'm Rajeev Patel speaking as a resident.

1263
01:55:50,000 --> 01:56:04,000
All you heard till now has been even longer process where a lot of residents over the years have come to the planning commission and complain.

1264
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:09,000
And we've heard so many cases. In fact, for the last two years.

1265
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:14,000
The planning commission has been asking for staff to do something about it.

1266
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:18,000
Now we know where the cloud is and who can get things done here.

1267
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Not the planning commission unfortunately. Anyway, I think this is a great initiative.

1268
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:28,000
It's long overdue code enforcement in our town.

1269
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:35,000
That maybe blunt is totally absent and it's been absent for decades not for last couple of years or so.

1270
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:44,000
So I would really like the council to take this as an important thing to fix because over the years.

1271
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:52,000
A lot of people who are violators have become more and more aggressive and egregious in what they've been doing.

1272
01:56:52,000 --> 01:57:08,000
And there is no systems in place in our town to cite them penalized them collect fees and lot of the towns budget is being used for no real valuable purposes.

1273
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:14,000
So please take this on and get it done.

1274
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:26,000
And if you need extra help, there are other committees which could provide you a lot more information because they've seen a lot more of this than probably you have.

1275
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:31,000
Thank you.

1276
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:37,000
Thank you again.

1277
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:49,000
I think there's obviously a lot of violations of the curve and we tend to take a perspective of it of fees and et cetera for this.

1278
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:59,000
And a lot of people that commit these violations, I don't think are necessarily bad people and the violations are not necessarily bad.

1279
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:05,000
But there are some people that commit violations and basically just ignore.

1280
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,000
You can say what you like.

1281
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:12,000
You can charge fees, probably won't pay them.

1282
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,000
Now councilor Tyson referred to the Weed Abatement Program.

1283
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:24,000
And I would contend that the actual being on the program for three years is an annoyance.

1284
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:28,000
Not really a motivator.

1285
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:32,000
But if you don't do it.

1286
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:41,000
What they do is they send out contractor to do it and they put it on your property taxes.

1287
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:47,000
And if you don't property taxes then you know you dealing with somebody else.

1288
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:57,000
Now I've got violations in letters from the town and John Chow is here and he sent one in 2010.

1289
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:01,000
Nothing's happened.

1290
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:17,000
So I would contend it's not the George Pelagos that is getting somebody to clean some dirt that's run over his driveway so that you can get Lee and Braised to come out and make the assessment that should be getting a fine of 5,000 bucks.

1291
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:22,000
And George hasn't paid me to say this and he doesn't really care.

1292
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:28,000
It shouldn't be people like that that are being picked on.

1293
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:34,000
But it should be people who are committing code violations if you've just heard.

1294
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,000
And don't do anything.

1295
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:43,000
And I think rather than fees put it on their get somebody to put it right and put it on their property taxes.

1296
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,000
Thank you Mr. Carl.

1297
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:53,000
Anybody else in the room?

1298
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:58,000
I don't have steam over in town.

1299
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:01,000
Anything you don't measure.

1300
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,000
Here, you can't control. And the fundamental problem that's gone on for years is that there's no reported about these. We don't know how many cases are outstanding. We don't know how long they've been outstanding. We don't know the characteristics of the cases that are outstanding. We're totally, we're totally blind. So we need to get some reporting on a regular basis. So that we have some idea whether there's a problem or there isn't a problem. Yes, we need more tools.

1301
02:00:30,000 --> 02:01:00,000
To be able to address these problems. And these people are absolutely right. The town needs to take action. We've got to that. But the council needs to have awareness of what the magnitude of the problem are, so that we don't have to be reminded by citizens that there's a problem in town. So my recommendation is you need to get on top of this with regards to some metrics that you can measure it and get it into various areas. I should also point out this topic is not on the work plan for this for this year. So you're going to have to amend the work plan if you want to spend

1302
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:04,000
any time working on it. Thank you very much.

1303
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,000
Anyone else in the room?

1304
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:20,000
Hello. I don't know whether it's my best interest to talk about this topic or not. But I would look at the code violation at a different angle as well.

1305
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:29,000
That is, when somebody violates the code, when they want to mitigate it, how we are helping that, right?

1306
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:38,000
But on the other side, what it is the reason that people are violating is do we have the right codes?

1307
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:48,000
Do we have the right process for people to put the permit? We had this conversation I talked about it last time there. We were discussing about the last city manager.

1308
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:56,000
And we got promised from the council that you would look at the codes that does seem unreasonable.

1309
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,000
Did we?

1310
02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:59,000
Thank you.

1311
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:03,000
I didn't get your name for the record. Please.

1312
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,000
It's Maggie Hamza.

1313
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:07,000
Thank you.

1314
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:10,000
Thank you. Anybody else in the room?

1315
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,000
Okay. How about online?

1316
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:14,000
No, me here.

1317
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:15,000
All right.

1318
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:18,000
Well, then we will close public comment and bring it back.

1319
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,000
The council.

1320
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:24,000
What do I think?

1321
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:28,000
This is for Jay.

1322
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:35,000
Can you give us some of those numbers and if you've given them to us before, can you just go over them again?

1323
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:40,000
What the metrics that I'm looking for are how many code violations are there?

1324
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:49,000
First of all, the nature of those code violations, the time that they've been in violation.

1325
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:59,000
And then lastly, I guess there might be some, oh, there you have it. Okay. Never mind. You got it.

1326
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:02,000
Thank you. Can you go over those please?

1327
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Thank you.

1328
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:15,000
Thank you. Yeah. So again, I think I'll just summarize. If you look in the bottom right hand corner, you see a total of at the time when we gave this presentation 58 open cases.

1329
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:20,000
If you go two lines up from that, you'll see the work without permits is 39 of those.

1330
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:28,000
And then if you move to the left, you'll see that most of those have been within the one to three year mark or three year plus.

1331
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:39,000
And then there's certainly another swell of those in the 180 to one year mark that are also probably going to be moving to that one to three year range year very shortly.

1332
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:43,000
The person decides to buy a property.

1333
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:48,000
And it's not a new property. Let's say it's like 60 years old.

1334
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:54,000
And they decide to do some work on it. And they look at the work that's been done already.

1335
02:03:54,000 --> 02:04:00,000
If it has not been permitted, does it grandfathered?

1336
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:12,000
So we do spend a lot of time within code enforcement and within our planning process looking at property owners rights and prior development of those properties.

1337
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:19,000
And so we do an assessment every time to be able to see if there was permitting activity.

1338
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:26,000
If there's not those repairs or those modifications are not grandfathered in per se.

1339
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:28,000
So the answer is now correct.

1340
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:37,000
So that means that if a person buys a property, they should actually have the city come out and take a look at it first.

1341
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:42,000
There are towns that do have real estate resale programs.

1342
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:47,000
And it's not necessarily one of the tools that we thought would be most successful.

1343
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:51,000
But certainly it's something the council could consider as well.

1344
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:58,000
And then you have programs to, let's say that a person has a house that has a whole bunch of unpromitted work.

1345
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:04,000
So there must be programs to get that property up to snuff.

1346
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,000
In other words, get a totally permitted.

1347
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:20,000
So we did during the building code process talk about administrative remedies that could use programs that would look at concealed construction.

1348
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:31,000
And then verify said construction based on the type of construction it is in first non-destructive methodology to evaluate it and then destructive methodology.

1349
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:37,000
If you'll remember, council did not move forward with any of the administrative portions of the building codes.

1350
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:50,000
So at this point in time, when we have code violations, we really are relying a lot on designers to be able to evaluate the work.

1351
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:54,000
And then be able to show compliance with codes and standards.

1352
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,000
With respect to non-compliant properties.

1353
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:00,000
How are those properties being brought to your attention?

1354
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:03,000
Are they by neighbors, are they by realtors?

1355
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:06,000
Are they by, I don't know, people from out of there.

1356
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:18,000
Yeah, I would say our code enforcement program is a reactive program for the most part, meaning that if a resident makes a request of the town to investigate, we will go out and investigate.

1357
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:28,000
If there is obvious violations, like some of the ones that we've heard tonight, mass grading, large structure is being built without permits.

1358
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:31,000
Those we tend to find ourselves.

1359
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:38,000
And then those are the instances of which we will go out and proactively enforce.

1360
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:44,000
So we're not necessarily looking for, you know, everyday kind of maintenance and things of that nature.

1361
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:51,000
If it's egregious, those are where we, and certainly if it's a danger to life health and safety, then we will act immediately.

1362
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,000
OK, thank you.

1363
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:55,000
Are you back by time to the bias?

1364
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:56,000
I have a question.

1365
02:06:56,000 --> 02:07:00,000
Why have we not been able to enforce a code to now?

1366
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:05,000
For example, a neighbor who builds this road for parking.

1367
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,000
Why not?

1368
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:11,000
Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the pathway to being able to get to resolution.

1369
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:18,000
So in the slides, I was showing before that there's the notice that there's a specific violation.

1370
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:22,000
Sometimes we can't get on these properties. They're very large. They're screened very well.

1371
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:24,000
That could prevent code enforcement.

1372
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:25,000
We go out maybe.

1373
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,000
But a neighbor has reported, it's not a question.

1374
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:32,000
You can't see it. I mean, there was another lady who said that the pickled walk court.

1375
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,000
I mean, there are two instances.

1376
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:35,000
What happened to that?

1377
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:37,000
Yeah, but we do need to verify that.

1378
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Sometimes we don't have necessarily access at the right time in place to be able to see or affect the violation that may be occurring.

1379
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,000
But what in this new code that you're proposing deals with that?

1380
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,000
I don't see anything.

1381
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:54,000
Well, those are tools and remedies that we've already had access to.

1382
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,000
They're typically first an inspection warrant.

1383
02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:02,000
And then then we would move forward with our notice of violations.

1384
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,000
From there, we would have orders to abate.

1385
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:12,000
And that's where the process starts to drag because then we may need engineers and plans and specifications.

1386
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:17,000
There may be multiple rounds of review by the reviewing agencies.

1387
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:21,000
And ultimately, the town is not in the best position.

1388
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:24,000
If it's a grading activity to then go do the abatement.

1389
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Those are significant activities that then we would have to rely on those same types of mechanisms to be able to do the work.

1390
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:42,000
And the town really is not in a position to do it abatement in that form, especially if it's a warrant hit through a warrant.

1391
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,000
So it leaves the the the the matter outstanding.

1392
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:51,000
And so what we've typically done is we've recorded a notice of violation on the property.

1393
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:54,000
And then we've left it.

1394
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:58,000
And how do you propose to address it going forward?

1395
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:04,000
I think we're still running into some of those access issues associated with gaining access to a property.

1396
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:15,000
And though what we're hoping for and this is kind of the broken window theory when you look at code enforcement right and you have one house that has a broken window on it.

1397
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:17,000
Okay, maybe not so much.

1398
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:21,000
But you start to get two three four five six because nobody's doing an enforcement.

1399
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:23,000
That's kind of where we're at today.

1400
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:32,000
So the fact that we have more tools the fact that we have and are starting to actively enforce and use things like inspection warrants and and to gain access.

1401
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:42,000
Those are the types of tools that will continue to to help and educate our residents that we have them and we're very built well worse that using them now, which we haven't been in the past.

1402
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:52,000
And that will help I think be able to stem the tide of these maybe overly egregious violations that we've been seeing.

1403
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,000
I don't know.

1404
02:09:54,000 --> 02:10:04,000
I have a question based on what Stan asks you at what point did codes come into force in Los Alto cells.

1405
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,000
What year?

1406
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Because we have a house that was the lambs divided like 1908 and so I assume that the house was built soon after that and there were no codes at that point.

1407
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:29,000
At some point codes came in but most of the house was probably built without codes and we've done you know we put in a furnace and there was a a permit but most of the house has no permits so at what point.

1408
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:32,000
To permits come in and you have to start worrying about whether or not.

1409
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
If you buy a house there were any permits.

1410
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:43,000
That could have been as early as the town in corporation now your specific question might be hitting on a specific code or a building code and that's been updated continually.

1411
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:50,000
So 70 years ago when the town was incorporated was at the first permit so anything built before that.

1412
02:10:50,000 --> 02:11:04,000
Yeah, we would think of those is legal done conforming structures because we wouldn't have records of those and from a construction perspective but certainly we would have other evidence of their existence whether it's county records.

1413
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,000
Prior to incorporation.

1414
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:22,000
I think to a certain degree of surety identify existing legal law and conforming structures.

1415
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:33,000
You know I'm getting the impression this per first off this is quite a complex subject and we have a very long agenda and so I just want to clarify.

1416
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:50,000
This is in effect a review of the program and so I believe what you're looking for a staff is some guidance or feedback from the city council on the direction that we might pursue given some of the things that we've heard about is the complexity of the number of items here.

1417
02:11:50,000 --> 02:12:02,000
And how to enforce some whether it's in our work plan what are the remedies that we could look at so I'm gathering I think what's achievable for us here tonight is to give you that kind of feedback.

1418
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:17,000
And so I will go ahead and say I'm hearing the feedback and I'm feeling it that I would like you to have the tools and put that in and consider things such as fees or whatever structure gets the enforcement would be helpful.

1419
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:19,000
Okay.

1420
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:26,000
So yes but you know what when I saw this I thought this is a big long list and I'm having trouble grasping it.

1421
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:47,000
Okay and so that's why I would say I would rather have it be narrowed down based on the feedback you're hearing from us tonight and from the residents who've taken their time to come and tell us their story which is really you know we tend to be rule followers up here and so it greats against me that people aren't following the rules they're just doing stuff.

1422
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:54,000
And so what is the best thing that we can do that's fair to most most parties to move this in the right direction.

1423
02:12:54,000 --> 02:13:17,000
Okay well I did not understand your answer to council member Tanka's question of what in these recommendations or potential recommendations that you have will allow you access to a property that you were saying previously.

1424
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:23,000
Was an obstacle to addressing the violation.

1425
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:25,000
So the access issue.

1426
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,000
Did you give me like a short answer to that?

1427
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:35,000
Yeah again these aren't going to fix access right but certainly if we have.

1428
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:40,000
As in some of these cases that we've heard tonight.

1429
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,000
On going.

1430
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,000
Activities.

1431
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:49,000
We have a much better chance at being able to catch those types of things.

1432
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:50,000
Okay.

1433
02:13:50,000 --> 02:14:02,000
But there are those instances where we may not have access and we may have to to wait till we do get access whether it's through a permitting activity whether it's through some other activity but we don't have a solution to that.

1434
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:07,000
All right well I think the technology committee might be able to help you with a drone program on that.

1435
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:10,000
What's out for that one.

1436
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:11,000
Yeah that's so.

1437
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:15,000
Mayor if I can add it to an in Jay's references earlier.

1438
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:19,000
There is a process for getting an inspection warrant.

1439
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:29,000
The threshold to get an inspection warrant is lower than for instance an abatement warrant which allows you to go in and actually correct the violation.

1440
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:37,000
But so there is a process right now that exists under the under the current codes for that to happen.

1441
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:41,000
What that requires is you first try to get voluntary access.

1442
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:48,000
You have to have some understanding that there's a potential violation on the property so it can't just be.

1443
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:51,000
We're just going to decide we're going to go inspect seven properties today.

1444
02:14:51,000 --> 02:15:00,000
You have to have some cause to go but if you have some cause then you go and you try to get voluntary access and if the property owner won't give you voluntary.

1445
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:13,000
There is a process to the courts where you can get an inspection warrant that allows the town or the town inspectors to go on to the property solely for the purpose of seeing whether or not there's a violation.

1446
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:26,000
So it doesn't allow you to fix the violation, but it does allow you to identify it. And one of the points Jay was making before is that, you know, when you're trying to get access, sometimes you'll have property owners are just going to refuse you access.

1447
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:42,000
But there is a court process where you can go in, get an inspection warrant, go on the property, then the code enforcement staff will actually see if there's no violation or see if there is a violation, and then they can take action from that afterwards.

1448
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:51,000
And you can certainly go on to a neighbor's property, like some of these people have had issues with their neighbors doing illegal stuff, right?

1449
02:15:51,000 --> 02:16:02,000
And you can certainly go into the neighbor's property and see the with with the permission of the neighbor's property, but the the code enforcement staff need to actually be able to observe it.

1450
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:12,000
So in the hypothetical that you have a line of sight, yes, but where the neighbor has a lot of screening and you can't see it, then you don't have that.

1451
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:18,000
Well, I mean, I think in several of these cases, these people have actually been able to see the pickleball court or see the illegal.

1452
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:25,000
I don't think there are parks and everything, so those cases certainly you already have the ability to address, right?

1453
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:26,000
Correct.

1454
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,000
I would say not address that, but I'm trying to understand.

1455
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:37,000
Yes, they have been addressed, but they're going through processes to be able to to determine whether or not they're compliant with our municipal code now.

1456
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:43,000
So they're going through a building permit or a planning permit process, which is what they would be required to.

1457
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:53,000
Anyway, and I would point out the reason why we have a code enforcement attorney now specifically is so that we can work through those processes to gain access to properties that we haven't.

1458
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:57,000
So that was the tool that really was useful to solve that problem.

1459
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:19,000
And it's not that the city attorney before wasn't capable in that instance, but to have someone dedicated that works with the criminal sought courts and things of that nature certainly helps to be able to show the reputation and the fact that when we are bringing code enforcement matters, we're not bringing things that are frivolous.

1460
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:28,000
If things that we have and think are very egregious and would warrant us to be able to gain access to a property.

1461
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:32,000
So I think what you're looking at your slide on the council direction.

1462
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:48,000
My, my inclination is to say, go ahead and come back with a specific program that you think would best help the town enforce the, you know, address the violations and do code enforcement effectively.

1463
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:59,000
But I also say, to other things, one is I think I think a couple of council members have pointed out that there is a kind of timeline aspect of this.

1464
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:08,000
So what was legal in 1960 is may not be legal today, but it's it's not conforming, but it's legal.

1465
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:10,000
I'm sorry, I use the wrong terminology.

1466
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:19,000
So it was conforming in 1960 may not be conforming to the, but because it was conforming in 1960 it is legal today, it's not a violation.

1467
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:20,000
Is that right?

1468
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:21,000
Correct.

1469
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:36,000
Yeah, and so I think that needs to be kind of, I think you're already going to factor that in, but the other thing I would say is if somebody comes forward and says, I have code violations, I want to address them.

1470
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:46,000
I would hope that that voluntary compliance initiative would not result in a violation that that town would say, okay, we'll help you make your property.

1471
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:48,000
Bring it into compliance.

1472
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:49,000
Does that make sense?

1473
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:52,000
Yeah, I believe that's how we would treat those individuals.

1474
02:18:52,000 --> 02:19:01,000
We haven't run into an instance like that, but it's also sometimes hard to tell whether someone's just completed work or not in some of these instances too.

1475
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:06,000
But if you have just completed the work, but they approach the town and say, we want to make it compliant.

1476
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:12,000
I would like to, you know, give them the allowance and encourage them to come forward, right?

1477
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,000
Agreed.

1478
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:27,000
And I think one of the, one of the members of the public referred to some of the town's rules are either owners or, in some cases, in my humble opinion, don't make sense.

1479
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:34,000
The favorite example is the deck, which, if your deck is wider than through six feet, it can't be more than three feet off the ground.

1480
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:39,000
You drive around Los Altersos and see tons of exceptions to that.

1481
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:43,000
And I don't see a reason why a deck needs to be less than three feet off the ground.

1482
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:48,000
So that's, that's why favorite example, but I'm sure there are lots of those.

1483
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:56,000
And I, I actually been working with a few architects and also with the art department on coming up with a list, which is, I think, overdue.

1484
02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:01,000
To, to help simplify and streamline some of the rules in town.

1485
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:07,000
I'll also then a comparison with Portola Valley, Woodside and Los Gatos to see how our rules compare with theirs.

1486
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:12,000
And I'd like to work with you and the planning commission, hopefully on that.

1487
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:25,000
But coming back to the council direction, I would like to offer that we make, I'd like to make a motion to ask staff to come back with a more detailed proposal.

1488
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:30,000
On exactly what you think would be useful out of this list.

1489
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:36,000
Maybe not all of them would be useful, but and also you have to think about how much effort it's going to take to administer these.

1490
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:39,000
So look at it from an ROI perspective as well.

1491
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:46,000
Yeah, part of what we are also looking for is to see if there are any walk away options up there, which it sounds like you're open to all of them.

1492
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:51,000
We've gone to advice from our coursemen attorneys that all these tools would be helpful.

1493
02:20:51,000 --> 02:21:01,000
So, hearing the potential motion on the floor, yes, that's what exactly come back, but what we said in the public is also going to be taking to consideration with our workload.

1494
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:05,000
So to do everything is not going to be able to be absorbed all at once.

1495
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:09,000
We may think of like a phase approach when I just piece it together one at a time.

1496
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:13,000
So that's what you could expect down the road.

1497
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,000
I think that's that's reasonable.

1498
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:29,000
So I would make a motion to say come back with a subset of this that you're willing to put in place, you know, over this next, next financial year.

1499
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:35,000
And and come back to council with that specific list.

1500
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:46,000
One of the reasons why we do have the code enforcement attorney is because they they do and have written these types of ordinances in the past and so if it would be helpful.

1501
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:56,000
I do think flushing out these programs with draft ordinances is is probably helpful to be able to understand the complexity that that may be as lost in some of the summary here.

1502
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,000
And if that would be amenable to council that would be what we would work on.

1503
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:04,000
So what you're saying is you'd come back with with the proposal for all of these.

1504
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:09,000
To some to some extent with with the advice from their code enforcement attorney.

1505
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:10,000
Okay.

1506
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:14,000
So I don't know how I should word my motion anymore.

1507
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,000
Direct staff.

1508
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:18,000
There's come back with the proposed motion that deals with.

1509
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:22,000
I believe it could be done not even with the motion in a vote.

1510
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,000
So much as.

1511
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:24,000
I provide.

1512
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,000
It's a very extra city of provide.

1513
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,000
Direction.

1514
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,000
The council can just provide direction if it's coming back.

1515
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:36,000
I would like to see it kept very simple.

1516
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:39,000
I would like to see AI highlights on this.

1517
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:42,000
So we're going to promote AI at this point in time.

1518
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:48,000
Like to see the highlights and then if you'd like to get more complicated and more detailed one death.

1519
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:50,000
You may do so you may do so.

1520
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:59,000
I think that this is a very complicated area and no matter when you but build or buy the house.

1521
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:01,000
Your laws.

1522
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:04,000
The other always going to be changing.

1523
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:12,000
So you could theoretically never pay in total compliance even after the day that you sign off.

1524
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:13,000
Okay.

1525
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:16,000
Also I was wondering you know.

1526
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:19,000
This very valid point about a lot of our codes being outdated.

1527
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:23,000
The balconies is one you know building on some other areas.

1528
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:26,000
But modern construction tools engineering.

1529
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,000
There's a lot more we can do.

1530
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:33,000
So why are we restricting the residents on what they can do with their properties.

1531
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:34,000
So I think maybe.

1532
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:39,000
Direct the planning commission to take a deeper dive into it because they see this all the time.

1533
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:46,000
And come back with realistic solutions and maybe a little bit of update on what more we can do to our properties.

1534
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:51,000
People are scared to go into town hall because they feel that we can do this.

1535
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:52,000
We can do that.

1536
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:56,000
Let's see more open about give them some leverage give them some flexibility.

1537
02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:01,000
We're harming our own property values by putting limits on what you can do.

1538
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:09,000
So I feel it's time to take a fresh look at our ordinances and see where we can do things which reflect the spirit of our town.

1539
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:12,000
I'm not talking about a regime change, but I'm just saying.

1540
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:19,000
Keeping our values but still allowing the residents do things given the modern engineering tools are available at our disposal.

1541
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:22,000
Should I be worried about regime change?

1542
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:26,000
I wouldn't mind a regime change in another level of government.

1543
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:27,000
Okay.

1544
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:31,000
Well that that input came from a former member of the Plan Commission.

1545
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,000
So I think that's very valuable and put so appreciate that.

1546
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:37,000
Should we close the site and move on?

1547
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:38,000
Okay.

1548
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:39,000
Thank you.

1549
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,000
Moving on to item six B.

1550
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:45,000
Which is the San Juan but just.

1551
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:47,000
Bathway.

1552
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:50,000
Is there staff report?

1553
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:54,000
Sorry, the one but just at the ends of trail.

1554
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:55,000
Oh.

1555
02:25:17,000 --> 02:25:20,000
Good evening on a real mayor and city council.

1556
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:23,320
In the Eonn law code he will appear from the 62

1557
02:25:23,320 --> 02:25:29,000
Roughlands once as in the last slogan by the last one of the city council.

1558
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:32,000
I will ask the KnoL and be associate engineer for the towns

1559
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:36,000
And I'm here with Mike Orlando he's the by share of the pathways committee and we're here to present this item.

1560
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:39,000
To for the designation of the one.

1561
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:44,000
The T. studiy, and so national historic trail.

1562
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:51,000
this item at last month's city council meeting, and we are here to follow up on that presentation.

1563
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:58,000
You can go to the next slide.

1564
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:06,000
So this is the map that Nick also presented last month, and it's the map of the National Park Service.

1565
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:13,000
It has on their website that shows the original route of the 1775 to 1776.

1566
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:21,000
Expedition by the Spanish Explorer and Military Officer, one of the Tista Danza.

1567
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:28,000
So the route that you see here spans 1200 miles from President Day, Mexico, and it goes through Arizona,

1568
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:35,000
and then along the Pacific Coast to the San Francisco Bay Area.

1569
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:38,000
Then you can go to the next slide.

1570
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:45,000
So to provide background on this item, the one Batista Danza National Historic Trail,

1571
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:51,000
commemorates the route of the Spanish Explorer, one Batista Danza.

1572
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:59,000
It's historically significant and it's founding of San Francisco and in California history.

1573
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:09,000
And in 1990, Congress designated the one Batista Danza Trail as one of the few National Historic Trails.

1574
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:20,000
And it is currently administered by the National Park Service, which works with local agencies to provide trail signs, historical interpretation,

1575
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:24,000
and as educational materials about the trail.

1576
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:29,000
Although the local agency, of course, they're the ones who manage the trails.

1577
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:39,000
And the Pathways Committee originally introduced the item for the trail designation to City Council in November 13,

1578
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:42,000
2023 at that City Council meeting.

1579
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:50,000
The Pathways Committee then established an ad hoc subcommittee in December of 2024,

1580
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:59,000
and then the last city council meeting introduced the two alignments for the proposed designation,

1581
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:04,000
which now might be Orlando by share of the Pathways Committee.

1582
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:06,000
We'll now discuss.

1583
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:09,000
Thanks, doctor.

1584
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:16,000
So I'm here next to and in pathways we kind of narrowed down two different alignments to possibilities.

1585
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:24,000
They each have their opponents and cons, and I think it's sort of staffs, you know, charge the council on that to the side, which one you want to adopt.

1586
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:27,000
This first alignment goes through the town itself.

1587
02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:32,000
It uses these kind of major on road paths.

1588
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:39,000
It goes down from the trailhead down that road and then on these various pathways all the way over to Aristodero.

1589
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:45,000
I've walked these paths many times and pretty major pathways going through town.

1590
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:49,000
And the proof is when it leads the trail through town itself.

1591
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:50,000
It's flatter.

1592
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:55,000
It's sort of easier for folks to access a lot of residents walk these pathways anyway.

1593
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:58,000
You know, I'm out there all the time I live near here.

1594
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:01,000
And so it offers those advantages.

1595
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:03,000
It protects those advantages.

1596
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:05,000
It does go through town.

1597
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,000
I mean, this could be a national store trail.

1598
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:10,000
I don't know how many people are going to make a special field trip to Aristodero.

1599
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:15,000
I don't know how many people are going to make a special field trip to Aristodero.

1600
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:18,000
But you know, it's going to publicize it more than it's publicized now.

1601
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:20,000
I'm going to switch the slide to alignment too.

1602
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:24,000
So this is an alignment that doesn't really go through town at all.

1603
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:29,000
It kind of goes over the top of black mountain and then back down to Aristodero through mostly.

1604
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:31,000
Mostly mid-pen land.

1605
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:33,000
I've hiked most of these trails too.

1606
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:35,000
This is considerably more rigorous.

1607
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:37,000
You know, I didn't do this today.

1608
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:39,000
This is a real commitment.

1609
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:40,000
I'm going to manage with this.

1610
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:44,000
It is more of exercise and you're going up black mountain and down it again.

1611
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:47,000
And it doesn't go through town proper.

1612
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:49,000
It goes around it.

1613
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:55,000
So it wouldn't, you know, whatever minor privacy concerns are kind of, you know, violated through alignment.

1614
02:29:55,000 --> 02:29:56,000
Wouldn't have those.

1615
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,000
You're going through the forest here.

1616
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,000
But it doesn't go through town.

1617
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:19,000
And, you know, I mean, I think pathways is slightly more, slightly more inclined to a one, because we really want to support our residents using the pathways and anything that can bring folks out there is, you know, something we support as pathways committee, but I think we leave it to council to kind of decide what the priorities are for the town as far as designated in this trail.

1618
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:37,000
So, at this June 18 city council meeting staff is looking for direction from city council to vote on the preferred trail designation for the one, but he's the dance trail.

1619
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:43,000
Additionally, we would also like direction on the four bullet points that you see there.

1620
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:51,000
One is to direct staff to notify residents for public hearing in August of formally designate the trail.

1621
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:59,000
The second would be to direct staff on researching the next steps for submitting to the national park service.

1622
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:13,000
The third is to direct staff on researching any potential seek or meet the implications, so that's the California and also the national environmental agencies.

1623
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:20,000
And then the last one is to recommend a public hearing for the formal local designation of the trail in August.

1624
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:40,000
So staff in the pathways committee will work on any minor modifications required for the trail alignment to prepare for the public hearing for whichever alignment, whether it's one or two that city council prefers and votes on today.

1625
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:57,000
And the general process for staff currently is to especially specifically for public hearing is to mail out notifications to the nearby properties within 500 feet of the proposed alignment of the trail.

1626
02:31:57,000 --> 02:32:03,000
So that would be a long the entire length of the designation we'd mail out.

1627
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:21,000
We would have mailers to properties within 500 feet of proposed trail designation and then we'll also publicize the hearing through social media as well as through the city manager weekly report.

1628
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:40,000
And as you see here, if depending on council direction, the public hearing would be scheduled for Thursday, August 20, 26, where city council would vote on formally designating the one but he's to dance a trail.

1629
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:50,000
That's the end of the staff report, all right. Any questions or clarifications from council.

1630
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:51,000
Yes.

1631
02:32:51,000 --> 02:33:03,000
Yes, in terms of the decision of the two pathways and I have a strong opinion, is there was there a it is a thought on what path was actually taken by the DNZ expedition.

1632
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:13,000
So the map that you saw on slide two that was the actual route taken by the by one but he's himself.

1633
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:32,000
However, it's not it's not only about 300 of the 1200 miles are actually trails today, but that's can be fine more information on the National Park Service website, but not all of it is designated trails currently.

1634
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:40,000
I'm not sure that exactly answered my question because frankly I'm picturing having been up black mountain a few times myself.

1635
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:47,000
No way would I take that trail if I were traveling to explore California in 1776.

1636
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:52,000
So I think the answer is that we don't know exactly where they want.

1637
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:55,000
Yeah.

1638
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:59,000
Okay, let's open it up to public comment anybody in the room.

1639
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:08,000
Hi.

1640
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:12,000
Good evening council and staff and everybody and anybody online.

1641
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:14,000
My name is Alice Mansel.

1642
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:22,000
I've been involved in the residential real estate business for over 50 years mostly in Los Altesales with my office in Los Altesales.

1643
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:37,000
But for some I've repaired in the city hall was more than 30 years ago to represent a real estate client who had a pathways committee wanting to run a multi use trail through his septic field on a steep slope.

1644
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:38,000
So.

1645
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:40,000
Been around on this.

1646
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:51,000
But I'm here today to kind of give you an expert opinion on the Anza trail because I've been working for more than a year with many groups including the National Park Service on this trail.

1647
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:56,000
So to answer your question, the first thing I'll do is I'll pat I'm going to go to a little show and tell her.

1648
02:34:56,000 --> 02:35:09,000
I'll pass around a National Park Service map that shows the actual Anza trail going to our area.

1649
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:16,000
And this is online on the jube as we call the one about one J you a n.

1650
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:22,000
About Tuesday, Anza that's how trail which is out of the National Park Service refers to this.

1651
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:25,000
Second thing is.

1652
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:31,000
Because this expedition happened in California mostly in 1776.

1653
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:34,000
This is a 250th anniversary.

1654
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:41,000
The whole point of this was to bring 30 families to California to create the San Francisco procedure and mission Dolores.

1655
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:47,000
Bunch of them also created the first Pueblo of the Spanish Empire and all the Californias that the San Jose.

1656
02:35:47,000 --> 02:36:00,000
So there's a huge marketing a campaign to get not just more auto route signs, but also off road dirt recreational trails, which is where some of the big National Park Service push on this.

1657
02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:03,000
So one of the things that I'm going to pass this right I want it back.

1658
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:14,000
Cute little postcard National Park Service gave out and they even have a special hopping pin for Anza to.

1659
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:15,000
You can see that.

1660
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:18,000
So the bottom line is.

1661
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:21,000
You're on the National Maps already.

1662
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:24,000
You're also on the Indian National Tourism Maps.

1663
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:27,000
There's a huge booklet that came out in 2025.

1664
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:31,000
You're on it because the trail does go through there.

1665
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:35,000
Well, I think we're over your time. Can you please wrap up.

1666
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:43,000
Right. So there were the actual trail that Anza took was basically somewhere between what we think is El Camino and Foto expressway.

1667
02:36:43,000 --> 02:36:47,000
So you could have National Park signs on Foto expressway.

1668
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,000
Work with low cellos.

1669
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:50,000
And then that's it.

1670
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:55,000
The black mountain route was done by Anza second commanded June of 1776.

1671
02:36:55,000 --> 02:37:01,000
He went up skyline to go from Monterey to the San Francisco Precidius site to build it.

1672
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:04,000
That's where they took the nine families going up there to make that.

1673
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:08,000
So that is actually also legitimate. So I would suggest that you work.

1674
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,000
Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

1675
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:13,000
Does anybody else in the room?

1676
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:17,000
All right. Anybody online?

1677
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:19,000
Yes, Mayor.

1678
02:37:19,000 --> 02:37:22,000
We are promoting them to speak.

1679
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:27,000
Hi. Can you hear me?

1680
02:37:29,000 --> 02:37:31,000
Just a little louder. Please.

1681
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:33,000
Okay. Sorry.

1682
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:36,000
I just had a question on map option one.

1683
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:39,000
It says it goes to rest area preserve.

1684
02:37:39,000 --> 02:37:40,000
But that seems to be Stanford land.

1685
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,000
It doesn't seem to be a rest area preserve.

1686
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:48,000
It's on the east side of 280 not the west side of 280 like a rest area preserve.

1687
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:52,000
So.

1688
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:56,000
Not sure if you can hear me, but just wanted to confirm.

1689
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:59,000
That seems odd.

1690
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:07,000
I don't understand the question.

1691
02:38:07,000 --> 02:38:08,000
Okay.

1692
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:14,000
So the for map option one, the one that went more through town.

1693
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,000
And ended at a rest area preserve.

1694
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:19,000
I don't believe it. That's actually a rest area preserve.

1695
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:23,000
That's not a rest area preserve where it's marked on map option one.

1696
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:26,000
If we can have that slide up again.

1697
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:29,000
You can look into that.

1698
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:31,000
Okay. Thank you.

1699
02:38:31,000 --> 02:38:35,000
Yeah.

1700
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:38,000
Either way, that's outside the town boundaries.

1701
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,000
Yeah.

1702
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:46,000
Yeah. I guess my point would just be if it's trying to connect to a known preserve for walking.

1703
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:49,000
That's not where that red dot.

1704
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:51,000
That's located there is is not.

1705
02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:54,000
Yeah. That is not a rest area preserve.

1706
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:56,000
I think she's right. That's not I think that's actually Stanford land.

1707
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:01,000
I mean, in case it's made to the town jurisdiction as it were kind of in right there on rest.

1708
02:39:01,000 --> 02:39:07,000
So it's whatever other open space that folks would naturally walk into from the pathways.

1709
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:08,000
All right.

1710
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,000
We can correct that and the alignment.

1711
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:12,000
All right.

1712
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:14,000
Thank you.

1713
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:15,000
Yeah.

1714
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:16,000
Specific mark.

1715
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:17,000
What are we.

1716
02:39:17,000 --> 02:39:18,000
Oh, we can already. Sorry.

1717
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:19,000
Anybody else online?

1718
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:22,000
Yes. Public Works Director Wu J. Kim has his hand raised.

1719
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:23,000
Yeah.

1720
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:24,000
Go ahead.

1721
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:29,000
I apologize.

1722
02:39:29,000 --> 02:39:31,000
My hand was not raised.

1723
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,000
Sorry.

1724
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:37,000
But I'm here for any questions and comments. Thank you.

1725
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:38,000
Thank you.

1726
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:39,000
Next up.

1727
02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:41,000
We have Joey.

1728
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:42,000
No, you just had to.

1729
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:45,000
Okay. Okay.

1730
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:47,000
We'll close public comment and bring it back.

1731
02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:48,000
Mr. Mark.

1732
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:52,000
Somebody has to talk to me about personal privacy issues.

1733
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:57,000
Because I think that if people are walking through my property that I don't know.

1734
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:00,000
I mean, it's not going to be my property.

1735
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,000
But we're going to be walking in areas that have population.

1736
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:10,000
So we can either pick the least populated route or the more populated route.

1737
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:12,000
One is more populated too.

1738
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:13,000
It's not.

1739
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:16,000
I'm just worried about the people that are living there now.

1740
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:21,000
Having more people come in the town or through town.

1741
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:23,000
And intruding upon your privacy.

1742
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:26,000
Because I think that's one of the things about loss out those hills.

1743
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:28,000
Which is very special.

1744
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:29,000
We have the one acre loss.

1745
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:33,000
And we do have our personal privacy when we want it.

1746
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:35,000
And what we're doing now.

1747
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:36,000
If we decide to do it.

1748
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,000
And so we.

1749
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:39,000
I haven't made a decision on this.

1750
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:44,000
So it has to change my mind or make up my mind on personal privacy issues.

1751
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,000
Is this okay or not?

1752
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:49,000
They're not walking through your property.

1753
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:51,000
Well, you're walking through the streets.

1754
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:53,000
They can still walk through the streets.

1755
02:40:53,000 --> 02:40:55,000
Yes, they can still walk through the streets.

1756
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:58,000
Just not like we're advertising it to everybody.

1757
02:40:58,000 --> 02:41:00,000
That's the thing.

1758
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,000
Okay, so I think there are two different issues.

1759
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:06,000
One is whether they have the right to traverse those.

1760
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:09,000
But those paths or streets.

1761
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:14,000
And the other is I think what you just brought up is how.

1762
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:15,000
How.

1763
02:41:15,000 --> 02:41:19,000
How well known is it that they can walk through and help up the size.

1764
02:41:19,000 --> 02:41:20,000
Is that path.

1765
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,000
Is that right?

1766
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:23,000
That's a generalized question.

1767
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:25,000
Anybody could answer that.

1768
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:26,000
Right.

1769
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:27,000
Okay.

1770
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:28,000
Yes.

1771
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:29,000
Yes.

1772
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:30,000
Well, this path.

1773
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,000
This.

1774
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:33,000
The answer pathway was established.

1775
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:36,000
36 years ago.

1776
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:40,000
And so I can't imagine that holds are all of sudden going to start walking this path.

1777
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:43,000
We have to 36 years if they haven't done it up to now.

1778
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:49,000
And once if they're on the pathway and it ends at Bruce Ridge and they come down.

1779
02:41:49,000 --> 02:41:55,000
They can look at their phone and see where they're supposed to hook up at a restaurant to zero preserve.

1780
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:57,000
And no matter what.

1781
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:59,000
Sting we pick what.

1782
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:00,000
Stanford.

1783
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:01,000
Stanford.

1784
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:02,000
Whatever.

1785
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,000
Over on a raster to their own.

1786
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,000
That's where they're heading.

1787
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:08,000
All the have to just look at their phone and say what's the most direct path.

1788
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:09,000
And they'll take it.

1789
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:14,000
They're not going to go 16 and a half miles out of the way.

1790
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:17,000
Just because there's no.

1791
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:18,000
Danza.

1792
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:19,000
Freil marking at that point.

1793
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:22,000
They're just going to walk across town anyway.

1794
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:23,000
And.

1795
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:27,000
I can't imagine there's going to be a lot of people doing us.

1796
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:29,000
Any comment from staff on this.

1797
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:31,000
Let's say that the answer is correct.

1798
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:38,000
It is a public right away so that the public can walk on our those paths for that question.

1799
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:43,000
And this did come up as a public comment in the prior meeting.

1800
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:45,000
That there was concern about.

1801
02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:48,000
No off road pathways and the proposed.

1802
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:51,000
One of the ones that were considered in the prior meeting.

1803
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:55,000
Did address that saying that they would not be going through off road paths.

1804
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:58,000
So we are on our main thorough fairs through town.

1805
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:01,000
The direction you're looking for from council today is.

1806
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:03,000
Are we going with option one or option two?

1807
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:05,000
Yes, so if you want to go to that slide.

1808
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:08,000
We can start working through the questions that we were looking for direction on.

1809
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:09,000
Yeah.

1810
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:10,000
We are.

1811
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:11,000
Well in this.

1812
02:43:11,000 --> 02:43:12,000
Hmm.

1813
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:13,000
Go ahead.

1814
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:14,000
Put it up.

1815
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:25,000
Well, the way I understood everything else follows from that decision of which one of the two options we choose.

1816
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:29,000
Everything else just follows not naturally from that design standard.

1817
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:32,000
Yes, we can take the first question so the preferred route.

1818
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:36,000
There were two routes presented as part of SaaS presentation.

1819
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:42,000
And actually I think the first question is do we want to establish a route.

1820
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:44,000
Well.

1821
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:48,000
We heard questions about should we be encouraging people to walk through our town.

1822
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:51,000
Frankly, I don't have an issue with that question.

1823
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:52,000
So I would say we could agree.

1824
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:54,000
Are we going to designate a route?

1825
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:55,000
Okay.

1826
02:43:55,000 --> 02:43:56,000
Yes.

1827
02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:58,000
All right.

1828
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:03,000
Well, can we go to the slide which talked about council direction?

1829
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:09,000
Yes, that was the last slide, Karen.

1830
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:10,000
Yeah.

1831
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:17,000
So what I saw from this is that you're looking for us to vote for the preferred trail designation.

1832
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:19,000
Is it option one or option two?

1833
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:23,000
And I think the concern that was raised earlier is do we want either of those or

1834
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:26,000
or neither of those?

1835
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:29,000
That's what I kind of heard from you.

1836
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:37,000
So I moved that we received with option one.

1837
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:39,000
Second.

1838
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:42,000
Council member Mark?

1839
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:43,000
Yes.

1840
02:44:43,000 --> 02:44:44,000
Council member Swan?

1841
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:45,000
Yes.

1842
02:44:45,000 --> 02:44:46,000
Council member Tanka?

1843
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:47,000
Yes.

1844
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:48,000
Vice Mayor Tyson?

1845
02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:49,000
Yes.

1846
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:57,000
Mayor, if I could to if the staff would understand that that motion incorporated all that list of setting the public hearing.

1847
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:58,000
That's what I meant.

1848
02:44:58,000 --> 02:44:59,000
Thank you.

1849
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:16,000
Okay, I vote we take about a tenant in brick, is that okay? All right. And I think one of our council members is celebrating a milestone today.

1850
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:24,000
So we have a little cake. Happy birthday. Council member Mark.

1851
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:35,000
Okay, we're back from our break. Many happy returns again. Council member walk.

1852
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:45,000
All right. We're going to move now to ongoing business. Let's see, we finished our main business. We're going to go to public hearings.

1853
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:51,000
So item seven A is the cost allocation plan development.

1854
02:45:51,000 --> 02:45:54,000
Yeah.

1855
02:45:54,000 --> 02:46:10,000
So I think we have to look at exparty discussions in connection with the green sheets and also in connection with the Martha Lynn tankhouse.

1856
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:14,000
Those are the two items and the density bonus ordinance as well.

1857
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:21,000
Thank you. Any exparty communications? Anybody would like to report?

1858
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:24,000
This one.

1859
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:30,000
A couple of residents have asked me about it, but I don't, don't even remember who I mean to just ask the question.

1860
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:34,000
I think Carol got leave and I talked about it about which one.

1861
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:36,000
Green sheets.

1862
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:38,000
That's a lot.

1863
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:42,000
I have an abstine cost allocation.

1864
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:48,000
Open space committee, the entire committee regarding green sheets.

1865
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:51,000
Would you like for me to name the committee?

1866
02:46:51,000 --> 02:46:53,000
No, that's fine.

1867
02:46:53,000 --> 02:47:01,000
I have talked with the FIC on the cost allocation plan development services free study.

1868
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:08,000
I haven't discussed the density bonus for anybody or the tankhouse.

1869
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:16,000
I'm sorry. The other one was the green sheets.

1870
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:20,000
So I have discussed the green sheets with a few people.

1871
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:26,000
I came up during the planning commission meeting.

1872
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:30,000
I also talked about it with Adam Epstein and a couple of other people.

1873
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:36,000
So with that, we can move on to 70.

1874
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,000
Is there a staff report?

1875
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:40,000
There is.

1876
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:44,000
Today we'll have our department analyst from the Community Development Department.

1877
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:54,000
There's an Edmund Badby provide the presentation with that.

1878
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,000
Good evening, councillors.

1879
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:12,000
My name is Bruce. I'm a bad fee.

1880
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:15,000
Analyst with the Community Development Department.

1881
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:19,000
And I will be here this evening to speak about the cost allocation plan.

1882
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:23,000
The user fee study and the master fee schedule.

1883
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:26,000
So thank you for your time to discuss this matter.

1884
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:28,000
I will begin.

1885
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:32,000
So just a little bit of an update to the work that we've completed so far.

1886
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:39,000
So this has been a month's long process of working with the contractor and BS on the cost allocation plan.

1887
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:43,000
As well as the user fee study.

1888
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:51,000
Um, staff and the finance committee as well as the city council of all met on multiple occasions to discuss this.

1889
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:54,000
Um, I believe we have presented this to there.

1890
02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:58,000
If I see about four times so far, and the second time at the city council,

1891
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:02,000
we appreciate all the feedback that we have received thus far.

1892
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:07,000
So today's meeting, we just want to review the methodology again.

1893
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:12,000
Address some of the questions and concerns that was brought up at previous meeting.

1894
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:22,000
Um, and today's discussion is going to be focused mainly on establishing those cost recovery targets of which we have presented those recommendations in the packet.

1895
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:30,000
Um, as well as the adoption of the master fee schedule and the local building valuation multiplier.

1896
02:49:31,000 --> 02:49:33,000
So, um,

1897
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:40,000
At the prior city council meeting last month, we have received direction from the council.

1898
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:56,000
Um, on some priority lists of which, uh, one of those was reducing the ADU permit fees to achieve a 80% cost recovery target instead of 100 to continue to incentivize ADU production and town.

1899
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:59,000
Um, we also for public safely related reasons.

1900
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:07,000
Didn't want to continue to promote unpermated work of which we've had plenty of discussion already tonight.

1901
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:14,000
Um, so for in cases of heat pump water heaters, which we already have a rebate program in place.

1902
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:17,000
Um, as well as HFAC systems.

1903
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:21,000
We'll also be achieving an 80% cost recovery goal there.

1904
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:28,000
Um, and at the previous meeting with FIC on June 1st, we also reviewed the methodology again with them.

1905
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:40,000
Um, there we walked through the methodology, the inputs, we presented additional information on the planning and engineering department fees,

1906
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:50,000
Um, and reviewed in detail and pretty with a fine tooth comb kind of all the subsidies and our reos cost recovery percentages.

1907
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,000
Um, historical percentages that we've achieved through the town.

1908
02:50:54,000 --> 02:51:09,000
Um, and particularly some members of the FIC talked about the implementation program and what we want to set out to achieve as well as given all due diligence and communication with afflicted applicants as well as contractors.

1909
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:13,000
Uh, next slide.

1910
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:22,000
Um, so staff presented a little bit of more detail since this ties in with our budget proposal, which is being presented today as well.

1911
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:33,000
Um, so we really want to highlight that particularly across the three divisions we've seen recurring and pretty large revenue gaps.

1912
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:38,000
Um, and we're not currently reaching those cost recovery percentages.

1913
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:41,000
Um, in the previous presentation, I presented last month.

1914
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:50,000
Uh, really kind of touched upon very briefly what those current cost recovery percentages look like for the respective departments.

1915
02:51:50,000 --> 02:52:01,000
Um, engineering is lagging and they haven't typically had fees or ways for them to recoup the revenue on work that they're already completely completing.

1916
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:10,000
Um, and then as well on planning as well as you know, we have a lot of work on long range planning housing element implementation that is currently not cost recoverable.

1917
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:13,000
Um, we're not able to build against those.

1918
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:19,000
Um, so today we want to to kind of present you with three options.

1919
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:24,000
Um, 100% 80% and 90% cost recovery targets.

1920
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:33,000
Um, staff believes through analysis that we completed that at a 90% or 100% cost recovery level.

1921
02:52:33,000 --> 02:52:36,000
Um, we're able to balance the budget.

1922
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:45,000
Um, if we do drop below that to 80% we do project a budget deficit for the upcoming fiscal year.

1923
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:58,000
The staff's recommendation is a 90% or above cost recovery target with those additional exceptions for ADU fees as well as heat pumps and water heaters.

1924
02:52:58,000 --> 02:53:08,000
Um, for each drop in 10% cost recovery target we anticipate about a $340,000 drop in overall revenue.

1925
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:14,000
So as you can see even small percentage differences can lead to a large gap in revenue collection.

1926
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:18,000
Next slide please.

1927
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:26,000
Um, following feedback that we received last time as well as through our meetings with the FIC.

1928
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:33,000
Um, we really noted that ADU policy is a area of strict.

1929
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:42,000
Um, kind of interpretation as well as is a very key goal for the council to continue to prove promote ADU development in town.

1930
02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:50,000
So as you can see right now I've broken down most of the fees that are expected to go into a sample build.

1931
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:58,000
Um, with this I use the assumptions of a $337,000 ADU.

1932
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:05,000
Um, which is roughly about 900 square feet that fits in line with the historical valuations and sizes.

1933
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:15,000
We've seen an ADUs so that 337 and 900 square feet is on average what we've seen over the past year of permit data in the ADUs a lot.

1934
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:20,000
Of course, I can extrapolate that out further, but just to kind of give us a range.

1935
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:25,000
We typically see about 30 to 35 80 use per year.

1936
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:33,000
And I've noted that at the specific subsidization levels 90 to 80% subsidization.

1937
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:44,000
Um, we would need about a up to $75,000 subsidization from the general funds and of the feedback with members of the public.

1938
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:52,000
We also rounded analysis on a 50% cost recovery target on 80 use to really promote.

1939
02:54:52,000 --> 02:55:05,000
Um, incentivization in town, but that would lead to nearly $200,000 subsidization per year on average if we were to go down to 50% level.

1940
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:15,000
So staff would not recommend that, but we wanted to present that option just for due diligence and for us to get all those options available.

1941
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:19,000
We also did do some review on the city of Los Altoss as well.

1942
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:30,000
Um, and we can confirm that on their side, they do not charge any fees for building permits, plan check or plan check admin for 80 use.

1943
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:36,000
So that is why they're able to keep their costs pretty low on the 80 you build.

1944
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:43,000
But I do want to know that they then charge a ton of money for single-family houses.

1945
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:59,000
They use a $577 per square for minimum valuation, whereas the anticipation for all level of work and analysis notes a $394 square for valuation for Los Altoss Hills.

1946
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:06,000
They also charge 135% plan check fee on single-family residences.

1947
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:20,000
And that in essence, we believe subsidizes the 80 you policy that they prescribe, but in terms of promoting and pushing forward a fiscally sound measure.

1948
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:35,000
And methodology, we believe our current paid valuation model and policy prescription of 80% 80 you policy would make money sense, not going down to the levels of 50% or zero.

1949
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:38,000
Next slide, bless you.

1950
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:45,000
So just kind of a summary, because I know the use of fee studies, a large document as well as the cost allocation plan.

1951
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:52,000
So I kind of wanted to condense the real through lines of these reports into the presentation today.

1952
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:59,000
So typically we completely use a fee study every three to five years as a recommendation.

1953
02:56:59,000 --> 02:57:08,000
The last one we had completed was in 2020, obviously in the economy and in life in general a lot has changed since then.

1954
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:16,000
So this is basically updating our fees in line with where our current costs and current operations lie.

1955
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:20,000
So we believe that these updates are going to ensure fairness.

1956
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:32,000
We think that our methodology is sound and we've got an acceptance from the FIC that the methodology and the numbers behind it are sound.

1957
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:45,000
So really we're just here today to kind of get a prescription and direction for what specific policy prescriptions you would like, particularly on those areas that we've kind of touched upon already.

1958
02:57:45,000 --> 02:58:01,000
We're also removing a ton of fees, MP fees, removing a lot of deposit changes and really streamlining our theme model to kind of be in line with the work that each department currently does.

1959
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:06,000
So we believe that the fees actually matched the true level of staff effort.

1960
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:11,000
We've been through multiple multiple rounds of review of the consultant.

1961
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:15,000
We've gone through line by line each revenue code.

1962
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:18,000
We've gone through line by line each fee that we charge.

1963
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:22,000
We've worked with the planners building officials to understand.

1964
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:27,000
A, what is the historical average of the work put in? B.

1965
02:58:27,000 --> 02:58:44,000
How much do we believe each of these projects really takes to complete and what as a result would be a fair allocation of prices that applicants and people would pay for the level of work that staff completes per project type.

1966
02:58:45,000 --> 02:59:09,000
So just to summarize, we received the prior direction from the last city council meeting and we staff believes we can handle the 80% cost recovery and 80 use will continue the 80% cost recovery targets on heat pump water heaters and hay track systems.

1967
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:14,000
Right now, we, we really just need kind of direction on.

1968
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:21,000
What kind of cost recovery percentage we want to follow for 80 use in particular and any other project types that might be of interest.

1969
02:59:21,000 --> 02:59:31,000
Except the cost allocation plan and the development services fee study and adopt the resolution that would approve the town of Los Artuses Hills.

1970
02:59:31,000 --> 02:59:37,000
Master fee schedule and the local building valuation multiplier.

1971
02:59:37,000 --> 02:59:58,000
That's all I had on my presentation. I have more notes if you wanted to go more in depth. We believe we have the consultant online as well to flesh out any details of the methodology of the work that they've completed and we are available for comments and questions. Thank you for your time.

1972
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:00,000
Any questions or clarification.

1973
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:08,000
Just a clarification, we don't charge any fees for ADUs currently. Is that correct? No, that's not correct.

1974
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:12,000
That's not correct. We do. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

1975
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:20,000
Los Alters does not charge. What do we, what do we charge? So right now we, for building permit fee would be the

1976
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:28,000
radio for ADUs. Could you bring up the table? Yes. So if you could go back to slide five.

1977
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:40,000
That one. Yes, so right now we charge the project fee as well as the building permit fee. And that is based upon the

1978
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:48,000
resolution methodology that we currently have of 0.9% of the valuation. And then moving forward, we're going to be

1979
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:56,000
adding the building plan check, admin fee to cover the cost of the admin related costs to town.

1980
03:00:56,000 --> 03:01:04,000
And then moving towards that tiered valuation model to kind of recalibrate the fees that each particular

1981
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:12,000
valuation type costs. So is the current percentage of recovery? So typically, historically, we've

1982
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:22,000
generally had a 80 to 90% cost recovery target. So currently you recover 80% only. No, that's our goal.

1983
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:34,000
But in terms of cost recovery and building, it's 53%. But overall, what's overall? Overall is about 42%.

1984
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:42,000
Overall, it's 53% cost recovery across the three departments. That's across all types of projects. Yes.

1985
03:01:42,000 --> 03:01:52,000
And so currently on this table, as of today, the subtoral for 80 of fees and impact is 12,

1986
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:58,000
1500 roughly. Correct. And it would increase to 15,200, according to this. Correct.

1987
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:06,000
That is with the assumption of 100% cost recovery. And I think what you're point earlier was that at 80%

1988
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:14,000
of the of these numbers of the proposed 26, 27, 700% number, we would be very close to what

1989
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:20,000
are cost today. That was a point you made earlier. Correct. Yes. And in the comparison with

1990
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:34,000
Los Altos, I think what you're seeing is that the number of their fees are zero. But I think because of the

1991
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:42,000
certificate of occupancy and address and so on. And the school fee is the same across the board, right?

1992
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:49,000
Yes. That's the joint school district. Right. But their total for the same

1993
03:02:49,000 --> 03:02:57,000
year to you today would be 5,000, so 5171. Yeah, all in cost. Yeah. And even with the 80% we would be

1994
03:02:57,000 --> 03:03:05,000
had more than double that. Currently, yeah. But if we proposed number, proposed number, yes.

1995
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:13,000
Yes, this is just almost three times, almost three times that number at 100%. Yes. Correct.

1996
03:03:13,000 --> 03:03:24,000
These fees, of course, we have a public policy here issue. And that is we need to do cost recovery.

1997
03:03:24,000 --> 03:03:31,000
So, so we and we can't do more than that. The whole idea is that this is cost recovery. We also though are

1998
03:03:31,000 --> 03:03:39,000
involved to encourage ADUs. And so my first question is, I noted the heat pump water heater

1999
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:49,000
and the HVAC that your proposal was to have that at 80%. And I was, I want to encourage that, but I'm not sure

2000
03:03:49,000 --> 03:03:56,000
what those fees, whether they're much of a driver. And those would tend to be fairly small. Do you have any sense for the size of those?

2001
03:03:57,000 --> 03:04:01,000
Yeah. Do we have a sample schedule that we could show? Yeah. I believe we had about 80,000

2002
03:04:01,000 --> 03:04:10,000
dollars in the fee study that was attributed to MMPs that you were describing. But that I need to turn that into

2003
03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:18,000
if I put in a water heater. How much is it? How much we cost me to put in a heat pump water heater or solar or

2004
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:28,000
a heat pump HVAC that's the nature of my question. And if it's a small number, then we don't need to worry about whether that one's 80% or 50%.

2005
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:37,000
Yeah. So right now, gas lines water heaters and other standalone building permits, the new fee would you show your screen?

2006
03:04:37,000 --> 03:04:42,000
Yeah. Yeah. It would be attachment for in the packet, but let me, okay.

2007
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:47,000
Okay. He's going to share that.

2008
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:53,000
I'm going to assume that that's a relatively small number in that we don't need to mess with that so much.

2009
03:04:53,000 --> 03:04:59,000
But I can tell you what I'm thinking is maybe I'm getting ahead of us is

2010
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:05,000
if we did something, if we did a better

2011
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:11,000
reduction for the ADU, let's say we focus on that and that's going to cost us in terms of our general fund.

2012
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:18,000
But if we took our standard and made it more like 93% just saying it doesn't have to be a 10% increment,

2013
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:22,000
we could make up for that difference and I'm wondering if there's some possibility in there.

2014
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:29,000
I like the, I don't know that I need to go toe to toe with Los Altos in terms of an ADU, but we want to make it an encouragement.

2015
03:05:29,000 --> 03:05:35,000
We don't need to make it zero because people need to have skin in the game. If they're going to go do something, they need to pay something.

2016
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:40,000
But if we make it less to encourage that, that is our larger goal.

2017
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:44,000
So, you're showing that there's a show me where to look here.

2018
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:47,000
So, so.

2019
03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:48,000
So, so.

2020
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:53,000
So, why in B-008 through B-0012,

2021
03:05:53,000 --> 03:06:02,000
show that the cost that would be the new fee attributed to the fee model within the study that we've just completed.

2022
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:09,000
Because Council had given us prior direction to consider 80% we did not do the calculation at 90,

2023
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:18,560
But then this would be at 80% what those costs would be and in a second I'll go to the fee study and give you what the the impact of the budget would be as well

2024
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:22,880
Okay, those numbers are higher than I thought they would be yeah

2025
03:06:23,760 --> 03:06:28,520
And in the italics below that you say will be charged at 80% cost

2026
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:34,760
So is that 80% of the 579 or is the 579 already reduced by 20%?

2027
03:06:34,760 --> 03:06:47,240
Yeah, the 579 is showing a 100% loss of the delivery and then the 80% that it's talking about of the cost that's of the new cost that was shown in the the new fee

2028
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:51,480
Roughly 50 bucks lower. Correct. Yeah

2029
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:59,960
I'm not gonna focus on that. I'm because the bigger issue with water heaters is I think people skip the whole process

2030
03:06:59,960 --> 03:07:04,680
Okay, let's and so we we we can monkey with that fee

2031
03:07:06,680 --> 03:07:12,000
And I don't know how much difference it will make so I'll just say I think I've gotten the information

2032
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:18,040
I want to know I was slipping into comments before at two early and so I'm gonna back off now and we'll get back to

2033
03:07:18,600 --> 03:07:20,600
All right

2034
03:07:20,600 --> 03:07:22,600
I have comments too about that because

2035
03:07:22,840 --> 03:07:28,840
With the water heater if you're putting in a gas water heater then that's fine, but I think if we're gonna do

2036
03:07:29,640 --> 03:07:35,560
The heat pump we ought to maybe think about going down or making it zero in the same thing with the 80 you

2037
03:07:35,560 --> 03:07:36,920
I'd rather see

2038
03:07:36,920 --> 03:07:40,280
100% cost for serve recovery on

2039
03:07:40,520 --> 03:07:46,120
Howls and zero on 80 use and so that it comes out. We have to you know not

2040
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:52,140
Charge too much not more than our class, but if we could make it a hundred percent so that we could all right

2041
03:07:52,840 --> 03:07:54,840
We're doing questions

2042
03:07:54,840 --> 03:07:56,840
I know I

2043
03:07:58,040 --> 03:08:00,360
I wanted to respond to what he said right

2044
03:08:01,000 --> 03:08:03,240
Do you have a question or should we go to public call it?

2045
03:08:03,480 --> 03:08:07,560
This is actually a question, okay, and it's a question for Thomas

2046
03:08:08,360 --> 03:08:10,360
So here's the question

2047
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:14,200
$360,000 in our general fund budget

2048
03:08:15,240 --> 03:08:21,720
What difference does it make to us Thomas how much is three hundred and sixty is is it a lot of money or not?

2049
03:08:22,600 --> 03:08:29,080
Not a large percentage of our budget and currently in the proposed budget that we attached to this agenda

2050
03:08:29,080 --> 03:08:30,360
The sit bus is about

2051
03:08:30,360 --> 03:08:38,280
500,000 that's down from the 700,000 that you saw in May 15th and primarily that was going from a hundred percent cost recovery to a

2052
03:08:38,440 --> 03:08:44,760
average of 90 percent cost recovery worth 80 percent for 80 use what it it is each that can heat pump okay

2053
03:08:44,760 --> 03:08:51,560
I'm walking between 90 percent and a hundred percent and I'm also a green with lender on the 80 use that we should

2054
03:08:51,560 --> 03:08:56,600
Reduce the charges for that as well as some of the others that those are comments

2055
03:08:58,600 --> 03:09:00,600
I lost my question

2056
03:09:02,760 --> 03:09:06,040
All right, so we open open it up for public comment

2057
03:09:21,720 --> 03:09:23,720
Is your mic on

2058
03:09:25,160 --> 03:09:35,960
Can you am in it? I attended the FIC meeting and I thought the report that you've just heard admitted some major things that we discussed

2059
03:09:37,400 --> 03:09:40,760
For a $50,000 project in Los Alta Cells

2060
03:09:41,720 --> 03:09:44,040
It's increasing by a factor of four

2061
03:09:45,400 --> 03:09:47,880
However, that's not the end of the story

2062
03:09:47,960 --> 03:09:51,160
It's

2063
03:09:51,160 --> 03:09:55,720
Plancheck fees because plancheck is based upon the permit fee

2064
03:09:56,280 --> 03:09:58,760
Are increasing also by a factor of four

2065
03:09:59,800 --> 03:10:03,080
Now if you're doing a bathroom remodel for 50,000 bucks

2066
03:10:04,040 --> 03:10:10,120
You don't have 80 pages of stuff in a plancheck fee you might have two pages in there

2067
03:10:11,720 --> 03:10:17,320
So they were given specific direction to go and solve the

2068
03:10:17,880 --> 03:10:24,040
Overcharge the ridiculous overcharging that this will create for plancheck fees on small projects

2069
03:10:24,920 --> 03:10:28,520
Wasn't even mentioned in the report alone anything done on it

2070
03:10:31,160 --> 03:10:33,160
The next thing we need to understand

2071
03:10:34,360 --> 03:10:39,240
Is we're not paying for the cost of the six people that are doing this permit stuff

2072
03:10:39,720 --> 03:10:41,960
We're paying allocated cost

2073
03:10:42,600 --> 03:10:45,960
They're costing 600 and some odd thousand a year

2074
03:10:46,200 --> 03:10:51,080
Person the allocated costs that are being allocated such as

2075
03:10:51,400 --> 03:10:56,360
Tertown manager and other administrative staff are pay for from the general fund

2076
03:10:56,920 --> 03:10:59,320
We pay property taxes to pay for those

2077
03:11:01,000 --> 03:11:03,000
So

2078
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:05,000
I hear you on the ADU

2079
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:07,800
But I think your opinion on ADUs would change

2080
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:11,960
If somebody says you need to go and do a study and

2081
03:11:12,280 --> 03:11:18,360
Determine whether or not all these ADUs that you're building are even going to count to you towards your low income rena

2082
03:11:19,400 --> 03:11:23,400
So deciding to just oh, let's grow go on ADUs

2083
03:11:24,200 --> 03:11:27,400
I would propose the following

2084
03:11:28,840 --> 03:11:34,360
I think we should look at the increase in the amount of the permit

2085
03:11:35,960 --> 03:11:38,360
We should take the reciprocal of that

2086
03:11:39,240 --> 03:11:49,320
We should add 25% and the answer can't be greater than a hundred percent and that should be the recovery rate and if you take that recovery rate

2087
03:11:50,280 --> 03:11:54,040
We will normalize well equalize that the

2088
03:11:55,560 --> 03:12:02,440
fees are going up by a factor of four will go up by a factor of two and the fees are going down

2089
03:12:03,240 --> 03:12:08,360
We'll have a recovery rate of a hundred percent because obviously we're lowering the fees

2090
03:12:08,680 --> 03:12:18,920
But I would not accept the report as being shown because I don't believe it summarizes correctly the FIC meeting this question. Thank you. Thank you

2091
03:12:19,880 --> 03:12:21,880
Anybody else in the room

2092
03:12:27,240 --> 03:12:30,440
Again, Roger you for tell speaking as at home resident

2093
03:12:32,680 --> 03:12:41,560
Being on the planning commission. I have a slightly better understanding of the topic in terms of what it takes to build in town

2094
03:12:42,760 --> 03:12:50,520
Okay, since I've not got too much time. I'm just gonna put it on the screen some of the topics that I want to talk about

2095
03:12:51,160 --> 03:12:56,520
And then if you have more questions please do ask because all of these are loaded issues

2096
03:12:57,320 --> 03:13:04,360
The justification for higher fees. I think for ADUs is because they're ministerial approvals

2097
03:13:05,160 --> 03:13:09,720
Where no committee support is there remember most of our towns

2098
03:13:11,080 --> 03:13:18,520
Work also is supported by a committee support the staff. So that part's missing

2099
03:13:19,640 --> 03:13:25,960
Again, because there's no support you need some time senior planners. They are more expensive

2100
03:13:27,320 --> 03:13:34,120
The time to review actually depends on a lot of things we don't control like sewer fire and other search services

2101
03:13:35,320 --> 03:13:45,320
And the ADU fees are higher as a placentage compared to the large homes because services whether you have a large

2102
03:13:45,320 --> 03:13:49,720
Or more a small home has the same impact. So

2103
03:13:50,680 --> 03:13:54,840
Though you may get a shock on the fee structure. This is just like the pathways

2104
03:13:55,160 --> 03:13:57,480
But even in the pathways there was a shock

2105
03:13:58,280 --> 03:14:05,560
As to how the pathways fees goes up so expect the fees to go up you need to figure out how to recover it

2106
03:14:06,520 --> 03:14:08,920
And I just put some suggestions here

2107
03:14:10,040 --> 03:14:14,600
Because just having too many ADUs is not gonna follow your rena problems

2108
03:14:15,240 --> 03:14:23,160
You need affordable ADUs and try and fix the affordable ADU fees not all ADUs

2109
03:14:25,800 --> 03:14:32,920
I'll wait here and see if you have any other questions. I'd like to understand more of what you have on this slide

2110
03:14:33,960 --> 03:14:35,480
Is that okay with the console?

2111
03:14:38,200 --> 03:14:43,400
Can I ask you what is it a affordable ADU versus regular ADU? How do you determine that?

2112
03:14:43,400 --> 03:14:48,600
So if you look at the broad brushes in our town

2113
03:14:49,560 --> 03:15:00,440
You have to remember that everything is based on the high property tax or high value of the land and the dog

2114
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:10,000
Aller per square foot that the valuation you get on your property, which means everybody wants the largest homes and the largest ADUs.

2115
03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:20,000
So if you come up with approaches where you go and build 1000 square feet, 1200 square feet ADUs, you don't get much benefit.

2116
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:34,000
But for rena, I'm talking about affordable housing. Even 800 square foot affordable means ADU, people will argue is not affordable by standards.

2117
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:46,000
But at least we should try not to have larger ADUs. So if you want to adjust the fee structure, incentivize smaller ADUs is one of my suggestions.

2118
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:56,000
Or I would say if you want zero fees, fee waiver. Let's see if anybody wants to build a deed restricted ADU.

2119
03:15:56,000 --> 03:16:05,000
Those are the ultimate affordable rena numbers that you can come up with. Just way fees for those type of ADUs.

2120
03:16:05,000 --> 03:16:14,000
So come up with some creative ways of incentivizing ADUs but the right kind of ADUs.

2121
03:16:14,000 --> 03:16:24,000
And you know, if you look at the ADUs, the fees. Okay. The other thing in town is we can't compare with Los Artos.

2122
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:33,000
Los Artos has all flat land. All the properties have good sewer, water connections. There's no fire issues, nothing.

2123
03:16:33,000 --> 03:16:50,000
Here, the amount of work, the planners need to do to work with the sewer, with the fire department and other PG&E water is way, way more expensive than other towns.

2124
03:16:50,000 --> 03:17:13,000
And then complexity of terrain, which means grading and drainage, all of these are factors that you have to realize not only increase the cost of construction, but also increase the plan check and the fees, which are required because it takes up more staff.

2125
03:17:13,000 --> 03:17:30,000
So I think what you're saying is, if we were to put in a fee waiver program for deed restricted ADUs, so those would be ADUs that are restricted to a certain rental value.

2126
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:40,000
deed restricted ADUs can only be sold or rented to affordable housing causes.

2127
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:53,000
So for example, when we do our multifamily housing, we will have some of those units to be deed restricted to make them affordable.

2128
03:17:53,000 --> 03:18:01,000
And this is similar. And your point is that if we were to do that, it might help us hit our renown numbers better.

2129
03:18:01,000 --> 03:18:06,000
It might. Now, having said that, let me, but it also is a good, good policy.

2130
03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:08,000
It's a good policy.

2131
03:18:08,000 --> 03:18:09,000
Yeah.

2132
03:18:09,000 --> 03:18:20,000
And you know, maybe nobody would take up this offer, but having it on the books is always helpful. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.

2133
03:18:20,000 --> 03:18:24,000
So all I'm saying is these are just ideas, right?

2134
03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:38,000
Once I'm sure that if you talk to others, many such creative ideas can be brought out, but keep them such that it is helping the town in some way.

2135
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:46,000
And right now, the biggest area which the town needs help is affordable housing in our renown locations.

2136
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:58,000
Do you have a couple other points on this, right?

2137
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:12,000
Well, the other thing is, it's, you know, again, it's interesting that fee structure, you know, discussions do not come to the planning commission.

2138
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:22,000
Though some of these land views issues, pathways was a good example before this, are best understood by the domain experts there.

2139
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:26,000
And they can provide you the best options and suggestions.

2140
03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:39,000
So in future, maybe that's another thing you may consider that any land use issues, just like the FIC reviews them, maybe should go to planning commission.

2141
03:19:39,000 --> 03:19:42,000
This is for the future.

2142
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:44,000
All right.

2143
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:48,000
Thank you very much.

2144
03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:51,000
This is Indico.

2145
03:19:51,000 --> 03:19:56,000
Hi, Brigitte Indico. I always love regimes insightful perspectives.

2146
03:19:56,000 --> 03:20:05,000
Anyway, mine's pretty simple. You know, we already have incentives right now for ADUs with giving away 800 square feet of MFA MDA.

2147
03:20:05,000 --> 03:20:10,000
That is huge incentive as a nest from market rate ADUs.

2148
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:14,000
And we also have the incentive with pathway fees being zero for ADUs.

2149
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:27,000
So I feel like when I see the building permits up there, but be it 12,000, 15,000, compared to the cost of construction is like a drop in the bucket in the sense.

2150
03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:42,000
Because any else that's all the PG anything. So I really don't have a strong feeling towards creating subsidy towards ADUs because they're being built regardless because I've got the incentives of the square footage which translates into real estate value.

2151
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:46,000
And also having, you already have an incentive with pathway fees.

2152
03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:51,000
I really like Brigitte Patel's suggestion about the affordable ADUs.

2153
03:20:51,000 --> 03:21:00,000
That makes sense. But the others don't make sense. And then also you got all the SB9s which are being treated as normal construction too, which they also counter to the arena numbers.

2154
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:04,000
I mean, that's just my perspective of it that I just feel like these fees.

2155
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:07,000
And we can't compare ourselves with the loss out does that's not really fair.

2156
03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:17,000
So these fees, compared to when you're having a construction project of a 330,000 or higher for an ADU, 15,000 is just the beginning.

2157
03:21:17,000 --> 03:21:30,000
You know, think architectural fees, PG&E fees, all that other stuff. So yeah, I don't know. I think it's more important that we allocate our money is very wisely here in town. And I really like receives idea. Thank you.

2158
03:21:30,000 --> 03:21:35,000
Thank you.

2159
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:40,000
Carol Gottlieb is speaking as an individual.

2160
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:55,000
However, my experience has been that so many of the ADUs are just an expansion of the house. They're not being used for anybody's rattles or anything.

2161
03:21:55,000 --> 03:22:03,000
That's the way to get the extra bedroom with a minor kitchen or two bedrooms in the house.

2162
03:22:03,000 --> 03:22:18,000
So I don't think we should be subsidizing those kind of ADUs. I do figure the idea of subsidizing an ADU if it's restrictive and it becomes a really low cost housing.

2163
03:22:18,000 --> 03:22:27,000
That that is a good way of increasing our low cost arena numbers.

2164
03:22:27,000 --> 03:22:40,000
Otherwise, we're going to be subsidizing ADUs that for most people are just an extension of their home.

2165
03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:45,000
Thank you.

2166
03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:57,000
And I shall call on speaking of arena numbers, which is like really it's about the junior ADUs that built in fire square foot.

2167
03:22:57,000 --> 03:23:08,000
It's for a sign. I never heard anybody say that that does not count towards Reno numbers like that counts towards them, right?

2168
03:23:09,000 --> 03:23:14,000
So if they do, that could be something to be looked at.

2169
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:20,000
Because that's super low hanging fruit. So in set device when people bring in a big home, I want to build this.

2170
03:23:20,000 --> 03:23:27,000
Well, including the JADU, if that counts towards arena numbers, wonderful.

2171
03:23:27,000 --> 03:23:35,000
Because that's really lowing. That's just a room, right? It's not a separate rental unit.

2172
03:23:35,000 --> 03:23:48,000
It's a it could be it's worth looking at it. Thank you.

2173
03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:49,000
Thank you.

2174
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:59,000
Now on Epstein, I'm the chair of the Finance Investment Committee, but I'm speaking as an individual at this time.

2175
03:23:59,000 --> 03:24:08,000
The overhead in town is just increased tremendously, 75% over over the years.

2176
03:24:08,000 --> 03:24:15,000
And as a result of that that's driven a lot of the increases that are necessary.

2177
03:24:15,000 --> 03:24:24,000
What you didn't see is an actual schedule of the current costs for all of the fees and the new costs for the fees.

2178
03:24:24,000 --> 03:24:36,000
And as Donald corner pointed out, some of them have gone up three or four times in terms of magnitude, which people may find as significant change.

2179
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:42,000
The comment I'd like to make about the overhead actually relates to the allocation to the sewer fund.

2180
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:50,000
In the budget document, you're going to see that there's $500,000 allocated to the sewer fund.

2181
03:24:50,000 --> 03:25:06,000
And for any of you that has spent any time looking at the sewer fund to think that the sewer fund encourages $500,000 of this town's expense is pretty, pretty inconceivable to, to believe.

2182
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:11,000
My last comment will be in support of John statement about the plan check fee.

2183
03:25:11,000 --> 03:25:16,000
We've we've we've we've we've changed the structure of the permit fee.

2184
03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:22,000
And since the plan check fee is just a multiplication times the permit fee.

2185
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:25,000
We've pushed the we pushed the cost down.

2186
03:25:25,000 --> 03:25:29,000
That is we've we've made small jobs cost more.

2187
03:25:29,000 --> 03:25:36,000
And as a result of that small jobs we're going to have plan check fees that cost more because it's to direct proportion.

2188
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:42,000
And I don't think that's really indicative of the cost associated with the plans.

2189
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:52,000
And I really feel that the town should take take a look at that to be sure that the plan check fees don't exceed the, you know, the cost of performing the work.

2190
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:53,000
So thanks very much.

2191
03:25:53,000 --> 03:25:56,000
Thank you.

2192
03:25:56,000 --> 03:26:00,000
Anybody else in the room? Okay.

2193
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:05,000
Take your response.

2194
03:26:05,000 --> 03:26:10,000
So I need to get the microphone.

2195
03:26:10,000 --> 03:26:22,000
The last meeting that you had you directed this to go to the FIC and for the FIC to go through this methodology for.

2196
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:32,000
And whether or not if you like how much the costs that will be in allocated based upon time, you ask the FIC to go through this.

2197
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:36,000
I I can't say it any other way.

2198
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:40,000
I feel the report you had tonight was not a reflection.

2199
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:47,000
The motion that was passed at the FIC was to go away and look at the recovery rates.

2200
03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:55,000
As a mechanism to avoid the extremely large increases that will be seen by some permits.

2201
03:26:55,000 --> 03:27:03,000
They were also given direction to go away and look at what to do about the plan check fee.

2202
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:07,000
And I don't feel that tonight's report did either of those things.

2203
03:27:07,000 --> 03:27:16,000
So I don't and unless town staff take this on board, just keep saying the town needs to look at it is doing well good.

2204
03:27:16,000 --> 03:27:18,000
Thank you.

2205
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:23,000
Any common from staff on what happened with the FIC recommendations?

2206
03:27:23,000 --> 03:27:29,000
Yes, so the proposal before you tonight was trying to meet the intention of the FIC.

2207
03:27:29,000 --> 03:27:39,000
There's one comment that stands out where in every time we went back to council and to the FIC we were providing clarity on the assumptions that were put in.

2208
03:27:39,000 --> 03:27:44,000
How much time per task was dedicated how the cap was built out.

2209
03:27:44,000 --> 03:27:47,000
And what we got to the point was there's no questions there.

2210
03:27:47,000 --> 03:27:51,000
We validated they went through a lot of the actions and they're on board.

2211
03:27:51,000 --> 03:27:54,000
But what the model was speeding out is where they had issues.

2212
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:59,000
And so one of the numbers of the FIC stated, you need to come with options.

2213
03:27:59,000 --> 03:28:04,000
You need to come where there's stop only defending it because we're with you.

2214
03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:07,000
But you need to come back or some possible changes to consider.

2215
03:28:07,000 --> 03:28:13,000
So that's what the proposal was before the council this evening where we looked back at it and without changing the model.

2216
03:28:13,000 --> 03:28:19,000
We were thinking how do you change the fees and give the council some options.

2217
03:28:19,000 --> 03:28:22,000
And that was the hundred eighty and ninety percent.

2218
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:29,000
And that's what's been presented this evening.

2219
03:28:29,000 --> 03:28:30,000
Okay.

2220
03:28:30,000 --> 03:28:31,000
Was anybody online?

2221
03:28:31,000 --> 03:28:35,000
Yes, I'm here Jim Mushara.

2222
03:28:35,000 --> 03:28:39,000
Yes, council are you able to hear me?

2223
03:28:39,000 --> 03:28:40,000
Yes, we can.

2224
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:42,000
Wonderful.

2225
03:28:42,000 --> 03:28:46,000
It seems like we're trying to do two things.

2226
03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:56,000
Largely balanced the budget, but also then to do that by trying to balance the fees between the small and the large types of projects.

2227
03:28:56,000 --> 03:29:08,000
I'd like to I'd like to agree with both Alan and John that the overheads in the town have just been dramatically increasing.

2228
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:16,000
And that whereas we're all talking about the top line trying to solve this problem by bringing revenue in.

2229
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:29,000
There's another way to solve this problem, which is to look at the costs associated with with providing these services and predominantly that is the overheads.

2230
03:29:29,000 --> 03:29:32,000
I think that that.

2231
03:29:33,000 --> 03:29:46,000
So the council members should try to internalize that fairly deeply to see how we might be able to address our overheads.

2232
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:55,000
If this if this subject sounds familiar, it's the same subject going on with the sheriff's contract debate right now.

2233
03:29:55,000 --> 03:30:00,000
And it seems like we're experiencing some of the same things that they are.

2234
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:27,000
I don't like the idea of quadrupling, tripling, quadrupling the fees on this, these projects. And I think, unless we can use our property taxes to pay for our city manager and pay for these other things so that they don't get allocated into these other fees, I don't see how we're going to be able to

2235
03:30:27,000 --> 03:30:44,000
do to square this circle. I do think that we have to consider the notion of using property taxes to pay for some things and not allocating them into these fees. Thank you.

2236
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:47,000
Thank you, Mr. Fisher. Anyone else on my?

2237
03:30:47,000 --> 03:30:49,000
No, Mayor.

2238
03:30:49,000 --> 03:30:56,000
Okay, we'll close public comment and bring it back to council.

2239
03:30:56,000 --> 03:31:02,000
No easy answers on this one.

2240
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:19,000
Getting back to my 90% or 100%. So let's take a house and rebuild it outright. So we're talking about maybe 55,000 or 60,000 dollars in terms of taxation per year.

2241
03:31:19,000 --> 03:31:33,000
I'll take you 11% of that. That's about $6,000 approximately just not exactly get that over the next 40 years. That's not too bad for the town, right?

2242
03:31:33,000 --> 03:31:46,000
What do we need to do to get that? We need to approve a building. We need to build the building. We need to make sure our cost is covered in some fashion.

2243
03:31:46,000 --> 03:31:53,000
But it doesn't, now I'm thinking it doesn't need to be 100% because you see, we're going to be getting all this revenue in the future.

2244
03:31:53,000 --> 03:32:05,000
And I see our town as sort of a real estate investment trust type of scenario where we take properties that have really low cost basis.

2245
03:32:05,000 --> 03:32:15,000
We develop those properties and then we finally get a cash flow generation device. In other words, we get money from not doing very much from it.

2246
03:32:15,000 --> 03:32:18,000
So the more we do this, the better off we are.

2247
03:32:18,000 --> 03:32:33,000
And that sort of answers my question, am I going to go 100% or 90%. I don't think I'm going to go 100% I was leaning towards that direction. 90% would give us a cost recovery.

2248
03:32:33,000 --> 03:32:36,000
I can even go 80% part of the way.

2249
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:48,000
But that 90% is good because we do have some costs in our town that we have to pay for and we don't have any other real source of revenue other than the real estate taxes.

2250
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:51,000
So, excuse me.

2251
03:32:51,000 --> 03:32:55,000
What was that?

2252
03:32:56,000 --> 03:32:57,000
Okay.

2253
03:32:57,000 --> 03:32:58,000
I don't think that doesn't matter.

2254
03:32:58,000 --> 03:32:59,000
You took me with me.

2255
03:32:59,000 --> 03:33:00,000
No, really.

2256
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:03,000
Somebody said something on Zoom, that was the problem.

2257
03:33:03,000 --> 03:33:05,000
Okay. You guys don't have to agree with me.

2258
03:33:05,000 --> 03:33:10,000
But what I've got to say here is that we have a real estate investment trust.

2259
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:13,000
We have to manage it properly for the long term.

2260
03:33:13,000 --> 03:33:16,000
And we can do that with property development.

2261
03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:23,000
And we can encourage somewhere that development by not charging the 100% on our developmental fees.

2262
03:33:23,000 --> 03:33:29,000
And I want to go back to ADUs again because I thought we would subsidize those.

2263
03:33:29,000 --> 03:33:34,000
And I'm going to waffle back on that because there are some good comments on that.

2264
03:33:34,000 --> 03:33:38,000
I'm seeing every single development that's out there has an ADU.

2265
03:33:38,000 --> 03:33:41,000
I don't think they're going to be written that stuff out.

2266
03:33:41,000 --> 03:33:42,000
Let me tell you.

2267
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:52,000
I think that the types of ADUs that we need in our town are those types of ADUs where our kids could go into and rent from us.

2268
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:57,000
It could be like that extremely low type of income people.

2269
03:33:57,000 --> 03:34:00,000
I think I may have some of those.

2270
03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:04,000
I think that that would probably work.

2271
03:34:04,000 --> 03:34:09,000
My two cents.

2272
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:11,000
Anyone else?

2273
03:34:11,000 --> 03:34:16,000
Well, what's in front of us here is to receive this cost allocation plan and development services fee.

2274
03:34:16,000 --> 03:34:21,000
And I'm trying to figure out how we can get to a resolution here.

2275
03:34:21,000 --> 03:34:29,000
And one of the things that strikes me is that we're hearing some some I think some useful thoughts about our overall structure.

2276
03:34:29,000 --> 03:34:39,000
And so it's I have caused my impression is shift during this meeting because the thought of really incentivizing ADUs.

2277
03:34:39,000 --> 03:34:49,000
I'm hearing some really worthwhile thoughts from other people that we already have a strong incentive and what's actually happening is people are building them as we said.

2278
03:34:49,000 --> 03:34:57,000
I did hear some serious concerns about the review of the FIC and what came from that.

2279
03:34:57,000 --> 03:35:02,000
And I would say, overall I'm my conclusion is.

2280
03:35:02,000 --> 03:35:12,000
We should make this close to revenue neutral so that there isn't a big deficit and the reason then is we can afford to fund our other town services.

2281
03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:25,000
I'm inclined to say I like the 90 to 95% for everything except for the 80% for the 80% and the and the electrification heat to features.

2282
03:35:25,000 --> 03:35:41,000
And I would also say I think it's worth directing staff because I think that might give us a little bit of a question to just take a look at the small project plan check fees and say let before we fully resolve this that we take a look at that because that seems to be the thing that stands out.

2283
03:35:41,000 --> 03:35:51,000
I think that sounds very reasonable that what you said because.

2284
03:35:51,000 --> 03:35:55,000
Except well JD have a comment on that.

2285
03:35:55,000 --> 03:36:10,000
Yeah, I think one of the things that that we're talking about in the the the fee schedule is the fact of its impact on the budget and if we continue to go back and analyze we continue to delay the the.

2286
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:20,000
The incentive that is the the cost that we would recover within the budget process and the more that we delay that the more impact that we will have to the budget.

2287
03:36:20,000 --> 03:36:23,000
Okay, so maybe we could go ahead and and.

2288
03:36:23,000 --> 03:36:26,000
Put this fees.

2289
03:36:26,000 --> 03:36:41,000
And then if we need to later on revise some of the smaller permit fees and look at that again later but go ahead and move forward so there are not.

2290
03:36:41,000 --> 03:36:44,000
I think we can just ignore that for right now, so that may be my.

2291
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:49,000
I would go with the 90% and the 80% for 80 years and take a fresh look to see how we can.

2292
03:36:49,000 --> 03:36:51,000
Make it easy for people to work.

2293
03:36:51,000 --> 03:36:53,000
You know, to have a.

2294
03:36:53,000 --> 03:36:56,000
I think.

2295
03:36:56,000 --> 03:37:10,000
I would go with the 90% and 80% for 80 years and take a fresh look to see how we can.

2296
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:15,000
You know, to have a lower fee on smaller projects later on.

2297
03:37:15,000 --> 03:37:16,000
I mean.

2298
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:20,000
Or not simultaneously that started working on it to see.

2299
03:37:20,000 --> 03:37:22,000
I mean, shouldn't hold this back.

2300
03:37:22,000 --> 03:37:23,000
All right.

2301
03:37:23,000 --> 03:37:24,000
Yes.

2302
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:31,000
I would like to have a review after we have this implemented and I would advise as soon as we possibly can.

2303
03:37:31,000 --> 03:37:36,000
I would like to have a review period after maybe one or two years.

2304
03:37:36,000 --> 03:37:45,000
So if we can build that in, I would be happy because there may be amendments that we have to make after that time period because we may have made.

2305
03:37:45,000 --> 03:37:48,000
Some misjudgments along the way.

2306
03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:51,000
We're not perfect.

2307
03:37:51,000 --> 03:37:54,000
That's news.

2308
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:55,000
Okay.

2309
03:37:55,000 --> 03:38:02,000
Well, I think where I'm at on this is I'm perfectly comfortable with the 100% on large projects.

2310
03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:07,000
I don't think we're increasing large projects significantly at all with this fee schedule.

2311
03:38:07,000 --> 03:38:12,000
And I'm perfectly okay with new new residences, you know, over the 100% recovery.

2312
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:15,000
I'd like to be at 80% for the 80 years.

2313
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:19,000
I think that seems to be the general consensus.

2314
03:38:19,000 --> 03:38:28,000
I do agree that for small projects we should be going back and looking at why the plan check fees are as high as they are.

2315
03:38:28,000 --> 03:38:29,000
Maybe they need to be lower.

2316
03:38:29,000 --> 03:38:34,000
I think one example was given about bathroom remodel or kitchen remodel.

2317
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:36,000
It's a small project.

2318
03:38:36,000 --> 03:38:39,000
You really shouldn't be doing that much plan checking on it.

2319
03:38:39,000 --> 03:38:43,000
So maybe we need to tweak the formula a little bit for those projects.

2320
03:38:43,000 --> 03:38:48,000
I'd also like to propose that for environmentally beneficial projects.

2321
03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:53,000
And I'm thinking specifically solar and heat pumps.

2322
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:57,000
Whether it's heat pump water heater or heat pump furnaces.

2323
03:38:57,000 --> 03:39:04,000
I'd like to drop that to 50% because I really want to make sure that people feel like we're encouraging that.

2324
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:10,000
So that's where I'm at.

2325
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:12,000
I like all that.

2326
03:39:12,000 --> 03:39:13,000
Okay.

2327
03:39:13,000 --> 03:39:15,000
Well then I'll make a motion.

2328
03:39:15,000 --> 03:39:22,000
I move that we go to 100% for large projects and by that I mean new homes.

2329
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:26,000
80% for 80 use.

2330
03:39:26,000 --> 03:39:30,000
Review the plan check fees for small projects.

2331
03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:35,000
Let's call those projects under 250k.

2332
03:39:35,000 --> 03:39:41,000
Or if you want to prefer a different number I'm okay with that.

2333
03:39:41,000 --> 03:39:43,000
That's a good number.

2334
03:39:43,000 --> 03:39:45,000
300.

2335
03:39:45,000 --> 03:39:46,000
300.

2336
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:47,000
Okay.

2337
03:39:47,000 --> 03:39:57,000
Then 50% for heat pump and solar.

2338
03:39:57,000 --> 03:39:59,000
Fire application.

2339
03:39:59,000 --> 03:40:02,000
What about just remodel projects that are not whole.

2340
03:40:02,000 --> 03:40:04,000
We didn't specify that.

2341
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:05,000
Okay.

2342
03:40:05,000 --> 03:40:10,000
We're going to review the plan check fee and see if we can reduce that.

2343
03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:12,000
This is just a plan check fee though.

2344
03:40:12,000 --> 03:40:16,000
We didn't specify the percent recovery for those non large projects.

2345
03:40:16,000 --> 03:40:17,000
Yeah.

2346
03:40:17,000 --> 03:40:18,000
Because you're not going to go home.

2347
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:20,000
You're going to be redoing existing home.

2348
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:21,000
Yeah.

2349
03:40:21,000 --> 03:40:28,000
I think the issue there was the formula that's being used for the plan check fees is sort of the plan check fee.

2350
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:29,000
Yes.

2351
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:36,000
Also just use a number for it instead of guessing that you said that for a large projects like a new home construction go with the 100% recovery.

2352
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:37,000
And I'm saying we have a gap.

2353
03:40:37,000 --> 03:40:41,000
We haven't said what if you add two bedrooms.

2354
03:40:41,000 --> 03:40:42,000
What is the number?

2355
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:48,000
And I would say all other projects 90% for the things that we didn't say.

2356
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:50,000
Can I just make it to complicated?

2357
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:52,000
I did not understand that.

2358
03:40:52,000 --> 03:40:54,000
Okay.

2359
03:40:54,000 --> 03:40:59,000
I think maybe another way to look at it is say anything under 500k you go at 90%.

2360
03:40:59,000 --> 03:41:00,000
There.

2361
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:01,000
Is that fair?

2362
03:41:01,000 --> 03:41:02,000
Okay.

2363
03:41:02,000 --> 03:41:03,000
Is that okay?

2364
03:41:03,000 --> 03:41:06,000
But what about the bathroom that's just 50,000?

2365
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:08,000
So you go at 90%.

2366
03:41:09,000 --> 03:41:10,000
Okay.

2367
03:41:10,000 --> 03:41:11,000
Anything.

2368
03:41:11,000 --> 03:41:12,000
Okay.

2369
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:13,000
But we're concerned about the plan check.

2370
03:41:13,000 --> 03:41:16,000
No, I'm saying anything under 500k.

2371
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:18,000
You go with 90% recovery.

2372
03:41:18,000 --> 03:41:19,000
Right.

2373
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:23,000
But we also had a question about the plan check fee for the very small.

2374
03:41:23,000 --> 03:41:26,000
I think a bathroom was a 50,000.

2375
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:31,000
So then we asked staff to look at smaller projects and come back to see what.

2376
03:41:31,000 --> 03:41:32,000
That's what I had said.

2377
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:37,000
But I think I heard from George that he wanted to use a number on that rather than.

2378
03:41:37,000 --> 03:41:38,000
No, I don't think so.

2379
03:41:38,000 --> 03:41:39,000
You agreed.

2380
03:41:39,000 --> 03:41:40,000
No.

2381
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:41,000
No.

2382
03:41:41,000 --> 03:41:42,000
We're talking percent.

2383
03:41:42,000 --> 03:41:43,000
We're talking percent.

2384
03:41:43,000 --> 03:41:45,000
Then we're talking.

2385
03:41:45,000 --> 03:41:47,000
We're talking about the dollars.

2386
03:41:47,000 --> 03:41:50,000
But then we're also talking about the plan check aspect.

2387
03:41:50,000 --> 03:41:51,000
That was.

2388
03:41:51,000 --> 03:41:52,000
That was.

2389
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:53,000
You want to vote.

2390
03:41:53,000 --> 03:41:54,000
The plan check.

2391
03:41:54,000 --> 03:41:57,000
And the percent for the smaller projects.

2392
03:41:57,000 --> 03:41:58,000
That's what I meant.

2393
03:41:58,000 --> 03:41:59,000
Yes.

2394
03:41:59,000 --> 03:42:00,000
Okay.

2395
03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:01,000
I did not pick up on that.

2396
03:42:01,000 --> 03:42:02,000
But thank you for clarifying.

2397
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:04,000
Can I get one point of clarification.

2398
03:42:04,000 --> 03:42:06,000
Did you mention solar?

2399
03:42:07,000 --> 03:42:09,000
There's a set by the state.

2400
03:42:09,000 --> 03:42:13,000
So I don't believe we can subsidize those.

2401
03:42:13,000 --> 03:42:18,000
We certainly can subsidize those and collect under what the state's.

2402
03:42:18,000 --> 03:42:20,000
Minimum maximums are.

2403
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:21,000
Sorry.

2404
03:42:21,000 --> 03:42:23,000
Could you say that closer to the mic?

2405
03:42:23,000 --> 03:42:32,000
So the state does set for solar projects, both for thermal and for photovoltaic.

2406
03:42:32,000 --> 03:42:37,000
It can be a bit of a feels to us that provide a maximum minimum that we can charge for those particular features.

2407
03:42:37,000 --> 03:42:39,000
We can just allow to a minimum minimum minimum.

2408
03:42:39,000 --> 03:42:42,000
So it allows for us to, to charge.

2409
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:44,000
For.

2410
03:42:44,000 --> 03:42:46,000
Cost that we incur up to a certain point and time.

2411
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:48,000
If we show that we are cost exceed that.

2412
03:42:48,000 --> 03:42:51,000
We can do a study to be able to exceed that but otherwise we have a maximum that we can charge.

2413
03:42:51,000 --> 03:42:54,000
Per, Per those projects we can still incentivize.

2414
03:42:54,000 --> 03:42:59,640
a study to be able to exceed that, but otherwise we have a maximum that we can charge per

2415
03:42:59,640 --> 03:43:03,960
those projects. We can still incentivize those. Still, though.

2416
03:43:03,960 --> 03:43:10,800
Okay, what is the maximum? There's a formula based on the number of kilowatts or the capacity

2417
03:43:10,800 --> 03:43:15,200
of the thing. We could find that for you here, but it's what you're saying. I think is that

2418
03:43:15,200 --> 03:43:22,800
the state says you based on the kilowatts, you charge a certain maximum fee. Correct. But we

2419
03:43:22,800 --> 03:43:26,160
can certainly charge less than that. That's correct. Okay.

2420
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:30,400
But you said something about a minimum fee. Is there a minimum fee, too?

2421
03:43:30,400 --> 03:43:36,880
It's a reason why I say maximum minimum is because in those instances, we're being told

2422
03:43:36,880 --> 03:43:43,600
what we can really charge for our services, unless we do those things. So it's not necessarily

2423
03:43:43,600 --> 03:43:50,040
a cost recovery. And that instance, so it's like we're really a minimum, it's a minimum value

2424
03:43:50,040 --> 03:43:56,040
for what the service actually is, but it's a maximum that we can charge.

2425
03:43:56,040 --> 03:44:04,120
All right. I would say, I don't know what the maximum is. Can you give us some idea? Like if I had a

2426
03:44:04,120 --> 03:44:07,080
time to bring a lot of people to give me, I'm like should we be talking?

2427
03:44:07,080 --> 03:44:14,520
If you say 50%. But we don't care. We could just say maximum. We don't need to know what the number

2428
03:44:14,520 --> 03:44:22,440
is, right? Well, if we are just going with the state number and the state number is $2,000,

2429
03:44:22,440 --> 03:44:29,640
I think we need to know that. I don't know what it is. But it doesn't matter if the state is mandating it,

2430
03:44:29,640 --> 03:44:35,080
then they're mandating the maximum that you can charge. Okay. So you may want to go lower.

2431
03:44:35,080 --> 03:44:43,880
Exactly. Okay. I can tell you what the state maximums are if you want. It's $450 for a residential

2432
03:44:43,880 --> 03:44:53,240
solar up to 15 kilowatts. And then I believe it's $7 per kilowatt over that. So that's for residential solar.

2433
03:44:53,240 --> 03:44:59,080
Sorry, that's $450 for 15 kilowatts. Yes, for 15 kilowatts.

2434
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:16,000
It's reasonable. It's for the record that was our consultant with NDS. Yes, I am. So I think for solar, I'm okay with the state number that you just, that we just heard. But for heat pump, I'd like to go with 50%.

2435
03:45:16,000 --> 03:45:28,000
Yeah. 50. And then I do want to clarify on the reduction based on valuation.

2436
03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:42,000
The implementation when it was one deviation related to the base tearing structure was fairly simple to implement.

2437
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:57,000
The more variations of the that tearing structure that you offer introduces complications that could cause staff to not necessarily always follow the practice.

2438
03:45:57,000 --> 03:46:11,000
Because it's difficult to then automate. How about this? How about you understand the intent here, is that for smaller projects, the fees seem to be disproportionately high.

2439
03:46:11,000 --> 03:46:18,000
Yes. And what would you suggest as a remedy for that? Excuse me. I move that we go past 10 o'clock.

2440
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:20,000
Thank you.

2441
03:46:20,000 --> 03:46:22,000
Let's take a vote.

2442
03:46:22,000 --> 03:46:26,000
Sure. Sure. That's my job. Yes.

2443
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:27,000
Yes.

2444
03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:28,000
I second.

2445
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:30,000
Councilmember Mark. Yes.

2446
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:33,000
Yes. Councilmember Slyne. Yes. Councilmember Tanka. Yes.

2447
03:46:33,000 --> 03:46:36,000
Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Mayor Patija. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

2448
03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:37,000
All right.

2449
03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:49,000
To answer your question, we would staff recommend. So I was writing down what you were with the numbers and percentages. So 100% for new residences. 80% for 80 use 50% for heat bumps.

2450
03:46:49,000 --> 03:46:59,000
For the portion about small projects, staff would recommend that we could come back with what could be feasible. So we could implement this.

2451
03:46:59,000 --> 03:47:08,000
And then we could come back at a time with revisions of the fee schedule with ways to address specifically. I know you were talking about projects less than 500k.

2452
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:16,000
There's going to be some issues as noted with basing it off evaluation. But we could figure out a way to address the intent of your comment.

2453
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:28,000
Right. So just one clarification. I did not exactly say 100% for new residences. I used new residences an example, but I was raising 100% of large projects.

2454
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:32,000
Keep you more specific to understand what that more than 500k.

2455
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:33,000
Okay.

2456
03:47:33,000 --> 03:47:34,000
Okay.

2457
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:37,000
And this solution.

2458
03:47:37,000 --> 03:47:43,000
I think helps with Jay's concern about if we sit on this, then we're losing our chance to.

2459
03:47:43,000 --> 03:47:54,000
And so the ones that are less that we're still delaying are going to be the smaller lower revenue projects.

2460
03:47:54,000 --> 03:47:55,000
Yeah.

2461
03:47:55,000 --> 03:48:04,000
So I think I think what I'm hearing that we approve these things and then they come back with the small projects and I'm saying that has less of an impact on our revenue.

2462
03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:13,000
So what do we do this right now? We do 100% for any project over 500k.

2463
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:14,000
You can.

2464
03:48:14,000 --> 03:48:16,000
That might have the same issue of evaluation.

2465
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:19,000
So I've both for now.

2466
03:48:19,000 --> 03:48:20,000
I don't know.

2467
03:48:20,000 --> 03:48:26,000
Well, that's what we were trying to describe throwing in the evaluation right now is going to cause implementation issues.

2468
03:48:26,000 --> 03:48:29,000
Well, you are basing your fees on evaluation.

2469
03:48:29,000 --> 03:48:30,000
Yeah.

2470
03:48:30,000 --> 03:48:40,000
So the way that that works though is that we build a table that mirrors this fee schedule within the database, right?

2471
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:47,000
And so every time that you want to then provide a discount for that, we're creating a new table that's 80% reduced.

2472
03:48:47,000 --> 03:48:54,000
And now what you're saying is that part of our table has to have a cost recovery reduction on it.

2473
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:59,000
Our system doesn't give us those types of options to be able to program into it.

2474
03:48:59,000 --> 03:49:05,000
So we need to either have the full tiered structure for that fee discounted.

2475
03:49:05,000 --> 03:49:20,000
Or we need to be able to then come up with very specific projects that fit in those tiers to then create just cost recovery targets for them specifically.

2476
03:49:20,000 --> 03:49:26,000
Because then we can change we can tie that fee table to those permit types to automate it.

2477
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:31,000
Otherwise, you're going to have a staff member picking every single time, which table they're supposed to pick.

2478
03:49:31,000 --> 03:49:36,000
And then make sure that it's the right table and I guarantee you we're not going to do it with all the value that we have.

2479
03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:39,000
And understand what we're trying to do, they can come back to us.

2480
03:49:39,000 --> 03:49:44,000
The problem is that they've come back to us in the past and we're still here.

2481
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:45,000
Yeah.

2482
03:49:45,000 --> 03:49:47,000
And we need to make a decision.

2483
03:49:48,000 --> 03:49:54,000
Actually, these are smaller projects as they are for now and at least implement the rest.

2484
03:49:54,000 --> 03:49:57,000
So then you're going to 100% for everything.

2485
03:49:57,000 --> 03:50:02,000
100% and we said 90% for 80 years, how much do we say?

2486
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:06,000
80. 80. 80 for 80 years. Yeah.

2487
03:50:06,000 --> 03:50:07,000
Yes, yes.

2488
03:50:07,000 --> 03:50:11,000
Question, what if it's like a $700,000 a year.

2489
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:22,000
If you're trying to break this into what you can do tonight versus what has to come back to you.

2490
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:23,000
Yes.

2491
03:50:23,000 --> 03:50:30,000
Then you can do everything, but the calculation that was based on less than 500,000, if you will.

2492
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:33,000
And so you could direct staff to implement all of that.

2493
03:50:33,000 --> 03:50:40,000
Now, and then as Cody was indicating come back to you with a recommendation about how to deal with that lower value.

2494
03:50:40,000 --> 03:50:41,000
Nice.

2495
03:50:41,000 --> 03:50:42,000
Let's go with that.

2496
03:50:42,000 --> 03:50:51,000
So I think based on that we're saying 100% recovery except for 80 users should be at 80%.

2497
03:50:51,000 --> 03:50:54,000
Heat pumps should be at 50%.

2498
03:50:54,000 --> 03:51:01,000
And you'll come back with a refinement on small projects below 500k or something like that.

2499
03:51:01,000 --> 03:51:02,000
That's fair.

2500
03:51:02,000 --> 03:51:04,000
So that's the motion.

2501
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:05,000
Second.

2502
03:51:05,000 --> 03:51:07,000
And also revisit it in a year.

2503
03:51:07,000 --> 03:51:08,000
Revisits the cuts.

2504
03:51:08,000 --> 03:51:10,000
It's a two years.

2505
03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:11,000
It's a very very.

2506
03:51:11,000 --> 03:51:12,000
Yeah.

2507
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:15,000
I've been through this two projects.

2508
03:51:15,000 --> 03:51:16,000
It's extremely complex.

2509
03:51:16,000 --> 03:51:23,000
I know this is out of order, but I saw Alan shaking his head violently back there.

2510
03:51:23,000 --> 03:51:27,000
That means that he doesn't agree with something that we're saying.

2511
03:51:27,000 --> 03:51:31,000
And if I could just ask him.

2512
03:51:31,000 --> 03:51:36,000
What he was shaking his head on, he may be able to describe it for us.

2513
03:51:37,000 --> 03:51:39,000
So a new way of running coastal meetings.

2514
03:51:39,000 --> 03:51:40,000
Okay.

2515
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:41,000
I understand that.

2516
03:51:41,000 --> 03:51:45,000
I apologize for shaking my head.

2517
03:51:45,000 --> 03:51:49,000
But George was right in terms of breaking up these two things.

2518
03:51:49,000 --> 03:52:00,000
We had the issue about the plan check fee, which is separate from or we're trying to make it separate from the permit fee.

2519
03:52:00,000 --> 03:52:05,000
Because the plan check fee right now is a percentage of the permit fee.

2520
03:52:05,000 --> 03:52:08,000
So we do want to be sure we separate those two issues.

2521
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:20,000
Because it was the plan check fee at the lower project level that was the that was the concern and the issue about setting the your your table.

2522
03:52:20,000 --> 03:52:22,000
I thought you already had the table set.

2523
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:24,000
So for instance,

2524
03:52:24,000 --> 03:52:30,000
The fee is X for up to $500,000 and then incrementally for each.

2525
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:32,000
$1,000 above that.

2526
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:35,000
Isn't that how the fee structure works now.

2527
03:52:35,000 --> 03:52:38,000
Isn't that how it's built.

2528
03:52:38,000 --> 03:52:40,000
Yes, you're correct.

2529
03:52:40,000 --> 03:52:43,000
So if they so if they pick a number that.

2530
03:52:43,000 --> 03:52:45,000
At one of those breakpoints.

2531
03:52:45,000 --> 03:52:50,000
It's relatively easy to implement because you just change the incremental rate.

2532
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:53,000
Or the base rate to make to effect.

2533
03:52:53,000 --> 03:52:55,000
Is that I would agree.

2534
03:52:55,000 --> 03:52:58,000
Yeah, so that's what I was shaking my head above.

2535
03:52:58,000 --> 03:53:05,000
If you pick the breakpoint at one of those those levels, then I think it's it's relatively easy for you to implement.

2536
03:53:05,000 --> 03:53:12,000
Yeah, yeah, so from from that perspective, but then as you go through when they were doing large small 80 years.

2537
03:53:12,000 --> 03:53:22,000
Yeah, then there was a different table for every single one of those types of permits at that point in time, which then could cause some complications again.

2538
03:53:22,000 --> 03:53:25,000
Well, you have one table for eight years.

2539
03:53:25,000 --> 03:53:26,000
Correct.

2540
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:28,000
One table for everything else.

2541
03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:29,000
Okay.

2542
03:53:29,000 --> 03:53:30,000
And with the everything else.

2543
03:53:30,000 --> 03:53:32,000
It's based on these tiers.

2544
03:53:32,000 --> 03:53:37,000
If you're below 500k, you have a different discount.

2545
03:53:37,000 --> 03:53:41,000
Okay, except for the two specialties, which are the heat pumps.

2546
03:53:41,000 --> 03:53:43,000
And there's our base.

2547
03:53:43,000 --> 03:53:45,000
Just the heat pumps.

2548
03:53:45,000 --> 03:53:49,000
Yeah, so I think it's I think it's real to be easy to implement.

2549
03:53:49,000 --> 03:53:51,000
Thanks for the extra time.

2550
03:53:51,000 --> 03:53:52,000
Great.

2551
03:53:52,000 --> 03:53:53,000
My apologies.

2552
03:53:53,000 --> 03:53:54,000
Near.

2553
03:53:54,000 --> 03:53:55,000
I don't know if that changes.

2554
03:53:55,000 --> 03:53:58,000
That was extremely helpful, actually.

2555
03:53:58,000 --> 03:54:04,000
I think that if I understand it right, that means that you can go ahead and implement it the way we asked.

2556
03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:05,000
Yes.

2557
03:54:05,000 --> 03:54:06,000
I was not expecting.

2558
03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:12,000
I was not thinking of it in that terms where the the variables would change associated with cost going through the table, but that would work.

2559
03:54:12,000 --> 03:54:13,000
Okay.

2560
03:54:13,000 --> 03:54:14,000
So then.

2561
03:54:14,000 --> 03:54:15,000
The.

2562
03:54:15,000 --> 03:54:16,000
Yeah.

2563
03:54:16,000 --> 03:54:17,000
It was actually.

2564
03:54:17,000 --> 03:54:18,000
Okay.

2565
03:54:18,000 --> 03:54:19,000
So 100% for projects.

2566
03:54:19,000 --> 03:54:21,000
So we're 500k.

2567
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:24,000
80% for 80 use.

2568
03:54:25,000 --> 03:54:27,000
50%

2569
03:54:28,000 --> 03:54:30,000
What was the percentage for below 500?

2570
03:54:30,000 --> 03:54:31,000
For what?

2571
03:54:31,000 --> 03:54:32,000
For below 500.

2572
03:54:32,000 --> 03:54:33,000
We didn't come up with it.

2573
03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:34,000
We didn't tell.

2574
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:36,000
50% for heat.

2575
03:54:36,000 --> 03:54:39,000
So for projects and the 500k, we go with.

2576
03:54:39,000 --> 03:54:40,000
We come up with it.

2577
03:54:40,000 --> 03:54:41,000
With 90%.

2578
03:54:41,000 --> 03:54:42,000
Let's do that.

2579
03:54:42,000 --> 03:54:43,000
90.

2580
03:54:43,000 --> 03:54:44,000
Okay.

2581
03:54:44,000 --> 03:54:45,000
90%.

2582
03:54:45,000 --> 03:54:46,000
I thought we had to go lower.

2583
03:54:46,000 --> 03:54:47,000
80.

2584
03:54:47,000 --> 03:54:48,000
Yeah.

2585
03:54:48,000 --> 03:54:49,000
Now.

2586
03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:53,000
It is it is just proportionally high.

2587
03:54:53,000 --> 03:54:55,000
Like like we've heard some of those.

2588
03:54:55,000 --> 03:54:56,000
It's a different portion.

2589
03:54:56,000 --> 03:54:57,000
Yeah.

2590
03:54:57,000 --> 03:55:02,000
One thing that I really want the council to know is we're knocking on the flag and understand what the impacts the budget are.

2591
03:55:02,000 --> 03:55:03,000
With all these changes.

2592
03:55:03,000 --> 03:55:05,000
It's being implemented right now.

2593
03:55:05,000 --> 03:55:06,000
Yeah.

2594
03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:07,000
Now.

2595
03:55:07,000 --> 03:55:10,000
So if you're going to ask us to approve a budget and we don't know what the surplus is.

2596
03:55:10,000 --> 03:55:12,000
That's going to be an issue.

2597
03:55:12,000 --> 03:55:13,000
Yeah.

2598
03:55:13,000 --> 03:55:14,000
We understand.

2599
03:55:14,000 --> 03:55:16,000
So if you want to go.

2600
03:55:17,000 --> 03:55:19,000
Lower percentage.

2601
03:55:19,000 --> 03:55:24,000
Then make that 100k or something because we're talking about bathrooms or something small.

2602
03:55:24,000 --> 03:55:27,000
500k is a major model.

2603
03:55:27,000 --> 03:55:28,000
That's that's not.

2604
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:29,000
I'm okay with that.

2605
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:31,000
200k and make it 50%.

2606
03:55:31,000 --> 03:55:32,000
50%.

2607
03:55:32,000 --> 03:55:33,000
50%.

2608
03:55:33,000 --> 03:55:34,000
50%.

2609
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:35,000
Yeah.

2610
03:55:35,000 --> 03:55:36,000
Okay.

2611
03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:40,000
Can I just show you guys what the values of where we're talking about these break points are on.

2612
03:55:40,000 --> 03:55:41,000
Yeah.

2613
03:55:47,000 --> 03:55:53,000
So we have in our projecting revenues for for all of our projects that are additions, remodel

2614
03:55:53,000 --> 03:55:56,000
sulturation's 80 us SB 9's whatever.

2615
03:55:56,000 --> 03:56:02,000
If it's under 50,000 dollars, we're expecting around 345,000 dollars worth of revenue.

2616
03:56:02,000 --> 03:56:05,000
So if you reduce that by 50% it's going to be half that number.

2617
03:56:05,000 --> 03:56:07,000
But you also increase the rest 100%.

2618
03:56:07,000 --> 03:56:12,000
Well, these are 100% cost recovery are already shown within this table here.

2619
03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:15,000
So this is going to be reduced.

2620
03:56:15,000 --> 03:56:20,000
Anything that you reduce is going to be a reduction to what we would expect for revenues in the budget.

2621
03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:25,000
So it is a $570,000 impact is what you're saying to the budget.

2622
03:56:25,000 --> 03:56:26,000
Correct.

2623
03:56:26,000 --> 03:56:27,000
Okay.

2624
03:56:27,000 --> 03:56:28,000
50%.

2625
03:56:28,000 --> 03:56:29,000
Yeah.

2626
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:30,000
You were recommending 90% of the rest.

2627
03:56:30,000 --> 03:56:31,000
And we said 100%.

2628
03:56:31,000 --> 03:56:33,000
So you have increased too.

2629
03:56:33,000 --> 03:56:34,000
Yeah.

2630
03:56:34,000 --> 03:56:38,000
The budget right now is based upon 90%.

2631
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:40,000
And 80% for 80 years.

2632
03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:41,000
Is that correct?

2633
03:56:41,000 --> 03:56:42,000
Yes.

2634
03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:43,000
Okay.

2635
03:56:43,000 --> 03:56:45,000
So when you take part of it and go up to 100%.

2636
03:56:45,000 --> 03:56:48,000
You can tell you exactly how much that adds.

2637
03:56:48,000 --> 03:56:49,000
Yeah.

2638
03:56:49,000 --> 03:56:51,000
You can tell you exactly how much if you take off the lower numbers.

2639
03:56:51,000 --> 03:56:52,000
Yep.

2640
03:56:52,000 --> 03:56:53,000
What the adjustment is.

2641
03:56:53,000 --> 03:56:57,000
We can get a very close approximation of where the budget is going to be.

2642
03:56:57,000 --> 03:57:00,000
Make it a recess to do that.

2643
03:57:00,000 --> 03:57:01,000
Okay.

2644
03:57:01,000 --> 03:57:04,000
I think we need to make a decision and move on.

2645
03:57:04,000 --> 03:57:07,000
We are in agreement in about 80% for 80 years.

2646
03:57:07,000 --> 03:57:10,000
We're in agreement on 50% for heat up heat pumps.

2647
03:57:10,000 --> 03:57:14,000
We're in agreement that for projects over a certain threshold.

2648
03:57:14,000 --> 03:57:16,000
And we'll have to figure out what that is.

2649
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:18,000
We're going to go to 100%.

2650
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:22,000
But we just have to figure out at what what point.

2651
03:57:22,000 --> 03:57:24,000
We offer a lower.

2652
03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:27,000
We offer a discount.

2653
03:57:27,000 --> 03:57:29,000
And what's threshold?

2654
03:57:29,000 --> 03:57:31,000
Those are the only two questions left.

2655
03:57:31,000 --> 03:57:34,000
I'd say 100,080%.

2656
03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:37,000
Any other thoughts?

2657
03:57:37,000 --> 03:57:38,000
Okay.

2658
03:57:38,000 --> 03:57:39,000
We'll be 30%.

2659
03:57:39,000 --> 03:57:41,000
Still very high.

2660
03:57:41,000 --> 03:57:43,000
400,000.

2661
03:57:43,000 --> 03:57:45,000
What's this?

2662
03:57:45,000 --> 03:57:46,000
What's this?

2663
03:57:46,000 --> 03:57:47,000
60%.

2664
03:57:47,000 --> 03:57:48,000
Maybe.

2665
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:49,000
Fine.

2666
03:57:49,000 --> 03:57:55,000
Because we all agreed that it would really disproportionately harm smaller projects.

2667
03:57:55,000 --> 03:57:58,000
So, you know, from 90% you come to 80%.

2668
03:57:58,000 --> 03:58:00,000
It's not that much for different.

2669
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:02,000
We're going to do a plan check, not the C.

2670
03:58:02,000 --> 03:58:03,000
Cost recovery.

2671
03:58:03,000 --> 03:58:06,000
We're confounding a couple of issues.

2672
03:58:06,000 --> 03:58:12,000
And that is we say that lower projects say they're the fees are higher than they have been.

2673
03:58:12,000 --> 03:58:17,000
Some element of that is because they ought to be because those smaller projects do cost more.

2674
03:58:17,000 --> 03:58:24,000
I think what we what we jipped it away from was the whole issue that plan check fee was a specific issue that would,

2675
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:26,000
we wanted some study.

2676
03:58:26,000 --> 03:58:32,000
And so, if we can find a way to just look at that specific thing and work that into our plan,

2677
03:58:32,000 --> 03:58:34,000
then I think we resolve that.

2678
03:58:34,000 --> 03:58:38,000
Because I think it's actually okay that smaller projects have higher fees than they used to.

2679
03:58:38,000 --> 03:58:39,000
How about this?

2680
03:58:39,000 --> 03:58:42,000
Up to 250k, we go at 80%.

2681
03:58:42,000 --> 03:58:45,000
And above that, you're at 100%.

2682
03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:51,000
Okay.

2683
03:58:51,000 --> 03:58:52,000
Okay.

2684
03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:53,000
All right.

2685
03:58:53,000 --> 03:58:56,000
That's that's the baby.

2686
03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:57,000
This one will stick.

2687
03:58:57,000 --> 03:58:59,000
So we agreed on everything else already.

2688
03:58:59,000 --> 03:59:05,000
Now the only other refinement is for 250k and below we're going to go at 80%.

2689
03:59:05,000 --> 03:59:07,000
Everything else is 100%.

2690
03:59:07,000 --> 03:59:10,000
And that should not create a budget problem.

2691
03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:11,000
I believe.

2692
03:59:15,000 --> 03:59:17,000
Is that correct?

2693
03:59:17,000 --> 03:59:19,000
Because we're getting 100%.

2694
03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:22,000
The numbers that J and I are looking through.

2695
03:59:22,000 --> 03:59:23,000
Yes, it would not.

2696
03:59:23,000 --> 03:59:24,000
We would not go into a deficit.

2697
03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:25,000
I can say that.

2698
03:59:25,000 --> 03:59:26,000
Yeah, better off.

2699
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:29,000
I think you'll actually come out ahead a little bit.

2700
03:59:29,000 --> 03:59:30,000
Yeah.

2701
03:59:30,000 --> 03:59:31,000
Yeah.

2702
03:59:31,000 --> 03:59:32,000
All right. So things are going on.

2703
03:59:32,000 --> 03:59:33,000
I was second.

2704
03:59:33,000 --> 03:59:35,000
How are I on basing that determination?

2705
03:59:35,000 --> 03:59:36,000
Yes.

2706
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:38,000
The budget was determined at 90% across the board.

2707
03:59:38,000 --> 03:59:39,000
Raise some.

2708
03:59:39,000 --> 03:59:40,000
You've lowered some.

2709
03:59:40,000 --> 03:59:41,000
Right.

2710
03:59:41,000 --> 03:59:43,000
So we've raised the big.

2711
03:59:43,000 --> 03:59:44,000
Yeah.

2712
03:59:44,000 --> 03:59:45,000
We've raised the big ones as.

2713
03:59:45,000 --> 03:59:46,000
Yeah.

2714
03:59:46,000 --> 03:59:47,000
Okay.

2715
03:59:47,000 --> 03:59:48,000
So do I have a second?

2716
03:59:48,000 --> 03:59:50,000
Can we get a vote please?

2717
03:59:50,000 --> 03:59:52,000
Yes, Mayor.

2718
03:59:52,000 --> 03:59:54,000
I'm sorry.

2719
03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:56,000
I just want to make sure I got the motion right.

2720
03:59:56,000 --> 03:59:57,000
I think I'm good.

2721
03:59:57,000 --> 04:00:00,000
You said everything above 250.

2722
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:14,000
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. 80, 80 percent. Yes. And 50 percent? You said the solar you want to do the state number. You were solar. We're going with the state number. That's right. Thank you. Okay. Wonderful.

2723
04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:29,000
Councilmember Moch. Yes. Yes. Councilmember Swine. Yes. Councilmember Tonka. Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Mayor Vittagia. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Oh, well. Thank you.

2724
04:00:31,000 --> 04:00:37,000
Okay. Let's see. I'm back at number nine.

2725
04:00:48,000 --> 04:00:59,000
Mayor. Next is the work force. Sorry. If I may just just for the the prior motion that the council just approved, you identified it all the numbers.

2726
04:00:59,000 --> 04:01:07,000
All the numbers we got that, but that report was also accepting the fee study report. Anything else?

2727
04:01:07,000 --> 04:01:22,000
Yeah. We need acceptance of the fee study, the cap study, and then with the approval of the fee schedule itself, the local valuation multiplier.

2728
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:35,000
Okay. So this moved. Yeah. If those are all part of your I would suggest that be a second motion. That finishes what you did. So you're you're giving complete direction. Okay. So moved.

2729
04:01:35,000 --> 04:01:50,000
I don't understand all that, but so it's there were other aspects of the staff report that were the underlying documents that relate to the to the allocations that you just talked about those documents need to be adopted.

2730
04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:55,000
Okay. All right. That was the second. Thank you, Stan. We get a vote.

2731
04:01:55,000 --> 04:02:03,000
As a member of Mark. Yes. Councilmember Sloane. Yes. Councilmember Tonka. Vice Mayor Tyson. Mayor Vittagia. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you.

2732
04:02:03,000 --> 04:02:09,000
Now we're on to the annual workforce, we can see recruitment and retention report.

2733
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:23,000
Good evening. Honourable Mayor and city council. So for this one for the purposes of time. I'm not planning to show a presentation, but yeah AB 2561 was effective January 1st, 2025.

2734
04:02:23,000 --> 04:02:32,000
It requires an annual public report on the status of job vacancies, recruitment and retention efforts and any obstacles in policies, the procedures that may handle hiring.

2735
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:42,000
It primarily impacts agencies that have bargaining groups as if they can seize exceed 20% for any bargaining group. You know, there's certain reporting that's required.

2736
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:47,000
The town of Los Altos Hills does not have any bargaining groups. So I'll just talk about the town as a whole.

2737
04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:56,000
We have 30 full time employees budgeted. We have two vacancies currently. One is a deputy city manager. The other one is an assistant planner.

2738
04:02:56,000 --> 04:03:01,000
This assistant planner is currently in recruitment and is the employees expected to start in August.

2739
04:03:01,000 --> 04:03:10,000
And then for the deputy city manager, the city manager, I thought plans to reclassify that to an assistant to the city manager once a budget is adopted.

2740
04:03:10,000 --> 04:03:18,000
You know, in July, he would begin recruitment for that position. So currently we have two vacancies, the deputy city manager and an assistant planner.

2741
04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:21,000
Any questions?

2742
04:03:21,000 --> 04:03:25,000
I thought we were also hiring a principal planner in my mistake.

2743
04:03:25,000 --> 04:03:32,000
Correct. We have begun recruitment for that. Although that position won't be approved until the budget is approved, but yes, we have begun recruitment for that.

2744
04:03:32,000 --> 04:03:36,000
Okay, so this is as of the current fifth financial year.

2745
04:03:36,000 --> 04:03:39,000
Okay, and you don't need a motion, I believe.

2746
04:03:39,000 --> 04:03:44,000
Mayor, this is a public hearing and the state law requires that you open and close public hearing for this one.

2747
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:47,000
Open the public hearing, take any comments, thank you.

2748
04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:52,000
Okay, we'll open it up for public comment.

2749
04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:54,000
Any in the room?

2750
04:03:54,000 --> 04:03:55,000
Any online?

2751
04:03:55,000 --> 04:03:56,000
No, mayor.

2752
04:03:56,000 --> 04:03:59,000
Okay, close public comment. And move on.

2753
04:03:59,000 --> 04:04:02,000
There's no motion, right?

2754
04:04:02,000 --> 04:04:06,000
I just received just a motion to receive the report.

2755
04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:08,000
I move, we would see the report.

2756
04:04:08,000 --> 04:04:10,000
Second.

2757
04:04:10,000 --> 04:04:12,000
House member Mark. Yes.

2758
04:04:13,000 --> 04:04:14,000
Yes.

2759
04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:15,000
Yes.

2760
04:04:15,000 --> 04:04:16,000
Yes.

2761
04:04:16,000 --> 04:04:17,000
Mayor Patasia.

2762
04:04:17,000 --> 04:04:18,000
Yes.

2763
04:04:18,000 --> 04:04:19,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2764
04:04:19,000 --> 04:04:20,000
Okay.

2765
04:04:20,000 --> 04:04:21,000
Item 7C.

2766
04:04:21,000 --> 04:04:24,000
That's just coming back to the budget now.

2767
04:04:24,000 --> 04:04:26,000
So.

2768
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:29,000
So I'll be sharing a brief presentation on the budget.

2769
04:04:29,000 --> 04:04:35,000
You know, we've met multiple times with the FIC and the city council in the months of May and June.

2770
04:04:35,000 --> 04:04:41,000
And so right now, I'll just focus on the changes since the May 15 study session, the joint city council FIC study session.

2771
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:50,000
So the main change since that study session was that changes to a fee revenues.

2772
04:04:50,000 --> 04:04:53,000
So this is about a $340,000 decrease.

2773
04:04:53,000 --> 04:04:57,000
This is assuming 80% cost recovery for 80 year water heaters.

2774
04:04:57,000 --> 04:05:00,000
H fact heat pump permits and a 90% for all fees.

2775
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:02,000
Obviously, we've had a really discussion.

2776
04:05:02,000 --> 04:05:07,000
So when we do publish the budget, we will update it with the latest recommendation from the city council.

2777
04:05:07,000 --> 04:05:10,000
We also did update allocations as well.

2778
04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:17,000
That was to update the allocations from the NBS support to align with actual costs in our budget.

2779
04:05:17,000 --> 04:05:24,000
And, you know, actual costs for service providers like city managers office, city clerk, city attorney, finance, etc.

2780
04:05:24,000 --> 04:05:26,000
Those costs have gone up every single year.

2781
04:05:26,000 --> 04:05:29,000
But it's a net zero impact across all funds.

2782
04:05:29,000 --> 04:05:32,000
It's really just transfers of money between funds.

2783
04:05:32,000 --> 04:05:35,000
And then the operating surplus was 700,000 in May.

2784
04:05:35,000 --> 04:05:38,000
Now it's about 500,000 in the budget.

2785
04:05:38,000 --> 04:05:42,000
You know, that was published in the agenda, but we will give updated numbers once.

2786
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:47,000
You know, we calculate the impacts of the fee schedule changes.

2787
04:05:47,000 --> 04:05:51,000
In the version that was published, yeah, the general fund revenues were $20.9 million.

2788
04:05:51,000 --> 04:05:58,000
General fund expenditures, $20.4 with a half a million dollar surplus, $5.1 million to what's capital projects.

2789
04:05:58,000 --> 04:06:03,000
And then 32 FTEs, that's an increase from the current budget of 30 FTEs.

2790
04:06:03,000 --> 04:06:09,000
That's an addition of a code enforcement officer, as well as the addition of a principal planner, which we've already begun recruitment.

2791
04:06:09,000 --> 04:06:13,000
And then the big driver in the budget, of course, is the sheriff's contract increase.

2792
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:21,000
You know, we're currently still negotiating that contract and have begun working on an audit with Vastez and company.

2793
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:26,000
Next steps for the budget, you know, adopted budget would take effect July 1st.

2794
04:06:26,000 --> 04:06:31,000
In December, 2026, you would see the actor, which is annual comprehensive financial report.

2795
04:06:31,000 --> 04:06:35,000
And you also see it FY2526 year and updates.

2796
04:06:35,000 --> 04:06:39,000
So you'll look at the, you know, year and status, surplus and deficits.

2797
04:06:39,000 --> 04:06:51,000
And then in February, 2027, you'll see a midyear budget review where we make any midyear budget adjustments and reflect on the status of the budget as of December, 2026.

2798
04:06:52,000 --> 04:07:02,000
And so I recommend that action is the proof of resolution adopting the fiscal year 2627 operating budget, as well as a five year capital budget and again appropriations limit.

2799
04:07:02,000 --> 04:07:07,000
And then also adopt the fiscal year 2627 salary schedule.

2800
04:07:07,000 --> 04:07:09,000
Thank you.

2801
04:07:09,000 --> 04:07:12,000
Okay. Any questions?

2802
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:16,000
All right. We open it up for public comment. Anybody in the room?

2803
04:07:21,000 --> 04:07:32,000
I don't know.

2804
04:07:32,000 --> 04:07:48,000
And on epsilon, first I'd like to thank the staff for all the hard work and nice budget document they put together because they really did work hard and put together a very good budget and it's integrated and and very very very comprehensive.

2805
04:07:49,000 --> 04:08:01,000
As I mentioned the overhead is the issue that the town needs to, you know, really pay attention to because the number I can find the right page.

2806
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:09,000
The overhead the overhead allocation for this year is 5.75 and 3.4 million dollars.

2807
04:08:09,000 --> 04:08:17,000
That's the administrative departments total. It's being allocated to the operating departments is how much five point.

2808
04:08:17,000 --> 04:08:19,000
Five point.

2809
04:08:19,000 --> 04:08:21,000
Am I right Thomas 5.75?

2810
04:08:21,000 --> 04:08:22,000
Yes, that's good.

2811
04:08:22,000 --> 04:08:23,000
Right.

2812
04:08:23,000 --> 04:08:25,000
5.75 million dollars.

2813
04:08:25,000 --> 04:08:26,000
Correct.

2814
04:08:26,000 --> 04:08:36,000
And you know, half a million of that is going to the sewer fund and then, of course, the rest is going out to the various other departments, which affects the fees.

2815
04:08:37,000 --> 04:08:46,000
I just want to call call attention to you that that's a very large number. It's increased 75% over the, you know, last five five five years.

2816
04:08:46,000 --> 04:08:49,000
But I think there's a good this isn't a good budget.

2817
04:08:49,000 --> 04:08:59,000
I think it represents what the costs are going to be based upon the decisions that the council and the staff have made and I support budget as proposed.

2818
04:08:59,000 --> 04:09:01,000
So thank you very much.

2819
04:09:01,000 --> 04:09:02,000
Thank you.

2820
04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:07,000
I just want to comment that in terms of yes that 5.8 is a reflection of the overhead costs in the current budget.

2821
04:09:07,000 --> 04:09:13,000
But NDS says fee schedule used a 3.7 overhead cost number.

2822
04:09:13,000 --> 04:09:18,000
That was based on, you know, an earlier budget of fiscal 2425.

2823
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:23,000
And also it doesn't include some of that cost related to the internal service funds.

2824
04:09:23,000 --> 04:09:31,000
So NDS says fee schedule and fully burdened hourly rate is based on a $3.7 million overhead cost.

2825
04:09:31,000 --> 04:09:35,000
Okay.

2826
04:09:35,000 --> 04:09:39,000
So that mean then that we're not getting 100% over.

2827
04:09:39,000 --> 04:09:40,000
Okay.

2828
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:42,000
Recovering.

2829
04:09:42,000 --> 04:09:43,000
We're not.

2830
04:09:43,000 --> 04:09:44,000
Correct.

2831
04:09:44,000 --> 04:09:45,000
Correct.

2832
04:09:45,000 --> 04:09:47,000
Yeah, because a fee schedule would be a point in time.

2833
04:09:47,000 --> 04:09:50,000
So they're using the best information they have about time.

2834
04:09:50,000 --> 04:09:56,000
And so for example, they would not have been able to incorporate this budget, you know, because that comes after they did this study.

2835
04:09:56,000 --> 04:09:59,000
And so their cap was based on the 2425 budget.

2836
04:09:59,000 --> 04:10:02,000
And then the fee schedule was based on the 2526.

2837
04:10:02,000 --> 04:10:05,000
Their fees are based on older data.

2838
04:10:05,000 --> 04:10:08,000
And that sort of gives me more confidence that the 100% numbers.

2839
04:10:08,000 --> 04:10:09,000
Okay.

2840
04:10:09,000 --> 04:10:10,000
You know, that's just where I was going.

2841
04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:12,000
Because we can't go over 100%.

2842
04:10:12,000 --> 04:10:14,000
This tells me we're not going to.

2843
04:10:14,000 --> 04:10:15,000
We're not going to.

2844
04:10:15,000 --> 04:10:16,000
All right.

2845
04:10:16,000 --> 04:10:17,000
Okay.

2846
04:10:17,000 --> 04:10:18,000
I don't see anybody else in the room.

2847
04:10:18,000 --> 04:10:19,000
Is anybody online?

2848
04:10:19,000 --> 04:10:20,000
No.

2849
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:21,000
Okay.

2850
04:10:21,000 --> 04:10:22,000
Well, we'll close public comment.

2851
04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:24,000
Come back to the council.

2852
04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:26,000
I have a few questions.

2853
04:10:26,000 --> 04:10:28,000
Can you put up your slides again, please?

2854
04:10:28,000 --> 04:10:29,000
Yes.

2855
04:10:38,000 --> 04:10:43,000
Just go back to where you had the revenue and expenditure numbers.

2856
04:10:43,000 --> 04:10:44,000
Hmm.

2857
04:10:44,000 --> 04:10:46,000
Yeah.

2858
04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:51,000
I'm always a little skeptical looking at these numbers.

2859
04:10:51,000 --> 04:10:52,000
I'll tell you why.

2860
04:10:52,000 --> 04:10:55,000
I think sometimes when you report these numbers,

2861
04:10:55,000 --> 04:10:57,000
they include allocations.

2862
04:10:57,000 --> 04:11:00,000
And allocations are what I would term funny money.

2863
04:11:00,000 --> 04:11:01,000
Because they're money.

2864
04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:04,000
You're getting from one department and pouring into the other department.

2865
04:11:04,000 --> 04:11:06,000
But it makes your total number look higher.

2866
04:11:06,000 --> 04:11:07,000
Correct.

2867
04:11:07,000 --> 04:11:10,000
Kind of like what inron might have done.

2868
04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:13,000
But my real question is,

2869
04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:17,000
how much money is the town actually receiving?

2870
04:11:17,000 --> 04:11:18,000
Hmm.

2871
04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:20,000
Excluding the allocations.

2872
04:11:20,000 --> 04:11:23,000
And how much are we actually spending?

2873
04:11:23,000 --> 04:11:24,000
Yeah.

2874
04:11:24,000 --> 04:11:27,000
So revenues excluding the allocations

2875
04:11:27,000 --> 04:11:29,000
that would be 16.6 million.

2876
04:11:29,000 --> 04:11:30,000
Excluding allocations.

2877
04:11:30,000 --> 04:11:31,000
Yeah.

2878
04:11:31,000 --> 04:11:32,000
16.1.

2879
04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:34,000
16.6 million.

2880
04:11:34,000 --> 04:11:36,000
And the expenditures?

2881
04:11:36,000 --> 04:11:41,000
15.5 million.

2882
04:11:41,000 --> 04:11:45,000
15.5 million.

2883
04:11:45,000 --> 04:11:47,000
15.2.

2884
04:11:47,000 --> 04:11:48,000
15.3 million.

2885
04:11:48,000 --> 04:11:49,000
That's right.

2886
04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:51,000
Okay.

2887
04:11:51,000 --> 04:11:55,000
Yeah.

2888
04:11:55,000 --> 04:11:56,000
Yeah.

2889
04:11:56,000 --> 04:12:00,000
So the challenge, of course, is now three and a half million out of that.

2890
04:12:00,000 --> 04:12:03,000
Out of the 15 is just going to go to the sheriff.

2891
04:12:03,000 --> 04:12:06,000
Whereas was two and three quarters before.

2892
04:12:06,000 --> 04:12:11,000
And then we also have private security on top of that.

2893
04:12:11,000 --> 04:12:13,000
In terms of public safety.

2894
04:12:13,000 --> 04:12:16,000
So our public safety expenses have gone up significantly.

2895
04:12:16,000 --> 04:12:18,000
Okay.

2896
04:12:18,000 --> 04:12:20,000
All right.

2897
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:22,000
I want to.

2898
04:12:22,000 --> 04:12:24,000
I want to want to acknowledge a couple of things.

2899
04:12:24,000 --> 04:12:29,000
I think as Alan said, this is a really well well done document.

2900
04:12:29,000 --> 04:12:31,000
I know you put a lot of work into it.

2901
04:12:31,000 --> 04:12:37,000
But I especially want to acknowledge the fact that you were able to unlike the previous year.

2902
04:12:37,000 --> 04:12:39,000
We were able to take it.

2903
04:12:39,000 --> 04:12:40,000
You were able to in your team.

2904
04:12:40,000 --> 04:12:42,000
We're able to take it to the FIC.

2905
04:12:42,000 --> 04:12:45,000
Review it multiple times and then bring it back to council.

2906
04:12:45,000 --> 04:12:49,000
And I really appreciate the fact that you were able to do that.

2907
04:12:49,000 --> 04:12:54,000
It gives us a lot of work confidence and and validates the work.

2908
04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:56,000
So thank you for that.

2909
04:12:56,000 --> 04:12:59,000
With that, I'll entertain a motion.

2910
04:12:59,000 --> 04:13:04,000
It's going to be staff recommendation that you do need to incorporate the changes to the fee schedule,

2911
04:13:04,000 --> 04:13:10,000
which you did in seven A in the motion when you're adopting the budget for this item.

2912
04:13:10,000 --> 04:13:12,000
Fine.

2913
04:13:12,000 --> 04:13:14,000
Just a comment.

2914
04:13:14,000 --> 04:13:16,000
And that mirrors your comment.

2915
04:13:16,000 --> 04:13:20,000
It's a tremendous amount of work, a lot of dedication, a lot of detail work.

2916
04:13:20,000 --> 04:13:24,000
And sometimes people don't get recognized for this.

2917
04:13:24,000 --> 04:13:26,000
So thank you very much.

2918
04:13:26,000 --> 04:13:30,000
Both of the FIC and for Thomas.

2919
04:13:30,000 --> 04:13:32,000
Actually, it rolls all of the partners too.

2920
04:13:32,000 --> 04:13:36,000
So well, it goes for everybody in the departments.

2921
04:13:36,000 --> 04:13:41,000
And I like the fact finally we have in the finance staff looking really well with the FIC.

2922
04:13:41,000 --> 04:13:42,000
Yeah.

2923
04:13:42,000 --> 04:13:43,000
Yeah.

2924
04:13:43,000 --> 04:13:44,000
So that's a huge achievement.

2925
04:13:44,000 --> 04:13:45,000
That's not easy.

2926
04:13:45,000 --> 04:13:47,000
That's not easy.

2927
04:13:47,000 --> 04:13:49,000
And difficult.

2928
04:13:49,000 --> 04:13:53,000
So maybe I'll make a motion to accept the budget.

2929
04:13:53,000 --> 04:14:00,000
But with the changes that are being proposed to the fee schedule.

2930
04:14:00,000 --> 04:14:02,000
Is that specific enough wording?

2931
04:14:02,000 --> 04:14:06,000
Because I was going to ask Thomas to put up that recommendations like, because it had some

2932
04:14:06,000 --> 04:14:07,000
Finance.

2933
04:14:07,000 --> 04:14:08,000
Yes.

2934
04:14:08,000 --> 04:14:09,000
We should product that sound.

2935
04:14:09,000 --> 04:14:10,000
That's right.

2936
04:14:10,000 --> 04:14:11,000
So see that.

2937
04:14:11,000 --> 04:14:12,000
Yeah.

2938
04:14:12,000 --> 04:14:14,000
All right.

2939
04:14:14,000 --> 04:14:26,000
A Prova resolution adopting the towns of financial year 2627 operating and financial year 2627 to 232331.

2940
04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:31,000
Five year capital budget and the financial year 2627.

2941
04:14:31,000 --> 04:14:40,000
Again, a Proparesions limit subject to the fee changes that were voted on earlier.

2942
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:46,000
And also a Prova resolution adopting the towns of financial year 2627 salary schedule.

2943
04:14:46,000 --> 04:14:47,000
Second.

2944
04:14:47,000 --> 04:14:48,000
Okay.

2945
04:14:48,000 --> 04:14:50,000
Thank you, George.

2946
04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:55,000
Council member Mark.

2947
04:14:55,000 --> 04:14:56,000
Yes.

2948
04:14:56,000 --> 04:14:57,000
Council member Swan.

2949
04:14:57,000 --> 04:14:58,000
Yes.

2950
04:14:58,000 --> 04:14:59,000
Council member Tonka.

2951
04:14:59,000 --> 04:15:00,000
Yes.

2952
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:10,000
Yes. Mayor Bateja. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. All right. We're going on to 7D. This is about the green sheets.

2953
04:15:10,000 --> 04:15:16,000
Do we have a staff report on this? We do. We're going to pull up the PowerPoint and then we'll do it.

2954
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:34,000
There we go. You can go ahead and go to the next slide, please. Thank you. So that the council is aware there is the initiative that's been drafted.

2955
04:15:34,000 --> 04:15:48,000
It's been narrowed down to these two issues that would be changes to the land use element. One is to put better definition on the types of domestic animals that are permissible within the within the town on residential property.

2956
04:15:48,000 --> 04:15:57,000
And the second one is to prohibit new industrial large scale or retail land uses on private property with certain limited exceptions for home base businesses.

2957
04:15:57,000 --> 04:16:09,000
And as the council recall, that also exempts out existing commercial uses like like three monials, which would just continue them in their status as a conforming commercial use. Next slide, please.

2958
04:16:09,000 --> 04:16:21,000
The council asks that the measure be presented to the commission and the committees and that has occurred the planning commission on June 8 heard this matter.

2959
04:16:21,000 --> 04:16:33,000
They made a procedural determination that the measure as drafted was internally consistent with the general plan that's a state law requirement when you're amending the land use element.

2960
04:16:33,000 --> 04:16:51,000
And so the commission did that. The commission also discussed the draft initiative measure and the commissioners, I'm sorry, it should say commissioners felt that if the town council was going to place a measure before the voters for consideration that the measures should include more substantive changes.

2961
04:16:51,000 --> 04:17:03,000
The commission was aware that the earlier version had included changes such as prohibiting vacation of pathway easements in certain circumstances.

2962
04:17:03,000 --> 04:17:20,000
The commission talked about some of those issues, but did not reach consensus on exactly what the substantive changes should be instead they were just saying they thought that a measure of this sort when you're going to the voters should effectuate really more substantive changes that were there.

2963
04:17:20,000 --> 04:17:42,000
Next slide, please. The pathways committee also took a look at this and recommended that the council to the council that the current green sheets ballot proposition move forward and there was also discussion about whether the pathways again should be included in as part of the green sheets. So those are the pathway provisions that we talked about before.

2964
04:17:42,000 --> 04:18:00,000
Next one, the EDPC also looked at this and they voted to add in the proposed pathway language to the measure and recommended the language shall not be changed or rescinded without voter approval. So that's essentially going back to the same language, sorry if you could stay on that one.

2965
04:18:01,000 --> 04:18:10,000
The again, this is just the slide to show the council the schedule from a practical standpoint, if the council does not act on this tonight.

2966
04:18:10,000 --> 04:18:24,000
You would likely have to come back in either in July but you'd have to take action before August 6 to place this on the ballot August 6 is the latest date that this could be considered and then the November 3rd date is the initiative language.

2967
04:18:24,000 --> 04:18:39,000
Next slide. So the next steps are the council can consider the comments that you've heard from the committees and the planning commission and any more comments from the public tonight and decide if there's any further changes you want to the initiative.

2968
04:18:39,000 --> 04:18:53,000
It remains the same initiative that you saw last time so if you wanted to stay as it was you can take action on it tonight. The council can act on the resolution tonight so you can vote to put it on the ballot tonight if you want.

2969
04:18:53,000 --> 04:19:07,000
If you do that then there's a portion of the resolution that allows the council to designate two council members to write a ballot argument in favor of the measure.

2970
04:19:07,000 --> 04:19:18,000
That would be either on behalf of the entire council if if that was the will of the council or it could just be on behalf of those two members of the council.

2971
04:19:18,000 --> 04:19:31,000
The initiative also allows those members to have additional people sign the measure but it wouldn't be additional council members so they would decide who else would sign the ballot argument.

2972
04:19:31,000 --> 04:19:41,000
And it also allows that same subcommittee if you created one to write a rebuttal argument if there was a argument against the measure written.

2973
04:19:41,000 --> 04:19:56,000
Under state law if the council writes a ballot argument the council has the top priority for the ballot argument if the council doesn't write a and doesn't authorize and write a ballot argument and there's a.

2974
04:19:56,000 --> 04:20:04,000
There's a there's a prioritization under state law that would allow different groupings of folks to write the ballot measure.

2975
04:20:04,000 --> 04:20:19,000
And again the council has until August 6 to decide whether to put this on the ballot if you want it on the November general election. Next slide believe that's it and so we're happy to answer any questions that the council may have.

2976
04:20:19,000 --> 04:20:22,000
But that's where it's at.

2977
04:20:23,000 --> 04:20:25,000
Any questions.

2978
04:20:25,000 --> 04:20:28,000
My question at the last meeting.

2979
04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:37,000
It was stated that we would have a poll in the city manager to report or or whatever in form or not an official.

2980
04:20:38,000 --> 04:20:49,000
That would go but I haven't heard anything about that but I we did also ask the pathways committee and EDCP and open space to look at it and I think they did that but.

2981
04:20:49,000 --> 04:20:52,000
I don't remember seeing anything about a poll.

2982
04:20:52,000 --> 04:20:53,000
I don't think there's been a poll.

2983
04:20:53,000 --> 04:21:02,000
No, there has not been a poll and I'm going back to the recap in the minutes I don't think that was captured in an action requested by staff.

2984
04:21:02,000 --> 04:21:07,000
But I could but to answer your question the city manager's weekly did not run a poll. Okay.

2985
04:21:07,000 --> 04:21:10,000
I got it.

2986
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:13,000
The other question.

2987
04:21:13,000 --> 04:21:20,000
I think our next city council meeting is August 20th is that correct. We skipped July.

2988
04:21:20,000 --> 04:21:23,000
So this August.

2989
04:21:23,000 --> 04:21:25,000
Doesn't work.

2990
04:21:25,000 --> 04:21:28,000
We have to do something tonight.

2991
04:21:28,000 --> 04:21:33,000
Do something before August 6th tonight is the only schedule tonight.

2992
04:21:33,000 --> 04:21:34,000
Yes.

2993
04:21:34,000 --> 04:21:53,000
So we'd have to reschedule the July meeting if we need another meeting because we would have to either reschedule the July meeting which is currently not going to happen or you just call a special meeting but you have to act on it before August 6th.

2994
04:21:53,000 --> 04:21:56,000
Okay. Should we open it up to public comment.

2995
04:21:56,000 --> 04:21:59,000
Anybody in the room?

2996
04:22:07,000 --> 04:22:09,000
It might microphone.

2997
04:22:09,000 --> 04:22:11,000
Hello again, Alice.

2998
04:22:11,000 --> 04:22:13,000
I'm so extremely brave.

2999
04:22:13,000 --> 04:22:14,000
So late.

3000
04:22:14,000 --> 04:22:22,000
Speaking with 50 years of experience with helping clients buy and sell residential property and sell to the sales I can't emphasize how important this is to enshrine your

3001
04:22:22,000 --> 04:22:30,000
green sheet principles in your ordinance because the pressure is always by people who want to make a quick buck.

3002
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:32,000
And if you don't do this.

3003
04:22:32,000 --> 04:22:42,000
Before I die this loss of those sales is going to look like the redwood city hills with dense pack housing, sky rises, apartments and condos everywhere.

3004
04:22:42,000 --> 04:22:51,000
But this gets it enshrined so it has some teeth and having the idea of having any big changes to this.

3005
04:22:51,000 --> 04:22:53,000
Have to go to the voters.

3006
04:22:53,000 --> 04:22:54,000
Even more teeth.

3007
04:22:54,000 --> 04:23:00,000
So thank you so much to everybody who worked on this and all the committee commissions and staff and council.

3008
04:23:00,000 --> 04:23:06,000
This is so overdue because the reason Los Alzos hills is so valuable.

3009
04:23:06,000 --> 04:23:11,000
And where that value comes from is this differences.

3010
04:23:11,000 --> 04:23:19,000
It's one of the last places like redwood city of like wood side that allows live stock and equines and all that and that's something you have to hold on to high.

3011
04:23:19,000 --> 04:23:34,000
Because there's always newcomers who will say, oh, we don't need that or we want sidewalks everywhere. So thank you very much.

3012
04:23:35,000 --> 04:23:36,000
Here I'll go.

3013
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:44,000
Since the people that were here that were going to talk to the green sheets because of the late nests went home.

3014
04:23:44,000 --> 04:23:52,000
But at the last meeting the pathway system was mentioned that we would like it included in this.

3015
04:23:52,000 --> 04:23:57,000
And I think the pathway system is one of our treasures.

3016
04:23:57,000 --> 04:24:03,000
And I have seen it in the past almost go down with the vote of the council.

3017
04:24:03,000 --> 04:24:13,000
We had to do a referendum to keep the easements and some of those easements turned into our most treasured pathways.

3018
04:24:13,000 --> 04:24:19,000
So I urge you to act to add to this the pathway system. Thank you.

3019
04:24:19,000 --> 04:24:37,000
I think the public has been misled.

3020
04:24:37,000 --> 04:24:45,000
The staff report has consistently said that the cost associated with this project was five to ten thousand dollars.

3021
04:24:45,000 --> 04:24:54,000
We have already spent twenty thousand dollars more and we go expenses and we're not even half way done.

3022
04:24:54,000 --> 04:25:06,000
We learned from the staff report that over your told was five thousand dollars in expenses and putting it on the ballot is forty six thousand dollars in terms of putting it on the ballot.

3023
04:25:06,000 --> 04:25:13,000
So I think we've been misled all along with regards to the expenses associated with this project.

3024
04:25:13,000 --> 04:25:28,000
Secondly, it's the project has been whittled down to being basically we're going to keep horses and we're going to prevent large, large retail activities.

3025
04:25:28,000 --> 04:25:41,000
I think the likelihood that a council in the future is going to do something that's going to preclude horses or make large retail happen in town is extraordinarily small.

3026
04:25:41,000 --> 04:25:50,000
And I think they're worthy to do that. There are options available to the citizens at that point in time to try to prevent that from happening.

3027
04:25:50,000 --> 04:26:03,000
So I think this measure is much too expensive or the likely benefit that it's going to provide the residents in town and by the number of people in this audience.

3028
04:26:03,000 --> 04:26:08,000
As you know, people turn out when they think something is important.

3029
04:26:08,000 --> 04:26:13,000
I don't think it's indicative of the interest of the public.

3030
04:26:13,000 --> 04:26:17,000
And if they wanted to go ahead with this, then I say do it as a real initiative.

3031
04:26:17,000 --> 04:26:21,000
Go out there and get the people to come out and put it on the ballot.

3032
04:26:21,000 --> 04:26:27,000
But don't shortcut it by getting three votes on the council. Thank you very much.

3033
04:26:33,000 --> 04:26:45,000
Okay, yes, so I have a different take that out.

3034
04:26:45,000 --> 04:26:51,000
I think the cost is relatively minor in the big picture.

3035
04:26:51,000 --> 04:26:56,000
I think it's still within the realm of what everybody envisioned.

3036
04:26:56,000 --> 04:27:11,000
I think it's a great way of getting the process starting because this is something's going to be on the ballot for the residents to actually fill in something about their town.

3037
04:27:11,000 --> 04:27:14,000
But it can actually think about it.

3038
04:27:14,000 --> 04:27:16,000
Lobby the neighbors.

3039
04:27:16,000 --> 04:27:21,000
This does a lot more to build community than you think.

3040
04:27:21,000 --> 04:27:26,000
I think it's super important as I said, yes, well, maybe get people to round about.

3041
04:27:26,000 --> 04:27:31,000
This is the anchor that this is what gets it in motion.

3042
04:27:31,000 --> 04:27:37,000
The rallying around that will come if three of you guys vote for this today.

3043
04:27:37,000 --> 04:27:42,000
And think about it like in half a year, two of you guys are gone.

3044
04:27:42,000 --> 04:27:46,000
And another two years after that, two or three of.

3045
04:27:46,000 --> 04:27:50,000
Reft is a whole different group of people here in a couple years.

3046
04:27:50,000 --> 04:27:53,000
And let just think about what happened with Sacramento.

3047
04:27:53,000 --> 04:27:56,000
Think about the state of some of the people and state senators.

3048
04:27:56,000 --> 04:27:59,000
Oh, yeah, I will love your community and all that.

3049
04:27:59,000 --> 04:28:02,000
Then they went there and voted as be nine as be ten.

3050
04:28:02,000 --> 04:28:06,000
All that nightmare that be followed us.

3051
04:28:06,000 --> 04:28:11,000
That was all nice people that said, oh, yeah, we will totally hear you.

3052
04:28:11,000 --> 04:28:13,000
We respect your community.

3053
04:28:13,000 --> 04:28:16,000
One money money talks.

3054
04:28:16,000 --> 04:28:24,000
And you can very easily end up with three people here that, you know, they don't care about the money.

3055
04:28:24,000 --> 04:28:27,000
So this is actually more urgent than you think.

3056
04:28:27,000 --> 04:28:34,000
So please kick this in motion and write a good write up.

3057
04:28:34,000 --> 04:28:37,000
And if you need a rebuttal, I'm sure.

3058
04:28:37,000 --> 04:28:41,000
Talent people and that feel for it will write the rebuttal.

3059
04:28:41,000 --> 04:28:43,000
Thank you.

3060
04:28:43,000 --> 04:28:44,000
Thank you.

3061
04:28:48,000 --> 04:28:50,000
Brigitte and I go private citizen here.

3062
04:28:50,000 --> 04:28:52,000
I'm just kind of weighing out this.

3063
04:28:52,000 --> 04:28:56,000
I think I would rather err on the side of caution as well.

3064
04:28:56,000 --> 04:29:01,000
Preserve what we have with the reason she's I just wish we would keep the pathways in it.

3065
04:29:01,000 --> 04:29:04,000
And give it a little bit more of it off to it.

3066
04:29:04,000 --> 04:29:08,000
So I don't mean to muddy your waters, but there you have it.

3067
04:29:08,000 --> 04:29:13,000
I support trying to firm up some of these things to protect for whatever else we don't know is coming down

3068
04:29:13,000 --> 04:29:14,000
in Sacramento.

3069
04:29:14,000 --> 04:29:17,000
And this is one way of doing it. Thank you.

3070
04:29:17,000 --> 04:29:18,000
Thank you.

3071
04:29:31,000 --> 04:29:33,000
Okay, John's one resident.

3072
04:29:33,000 --> 04:29:38,000
I've talked with his topics since pre 2020.

3073
04:29:38,000 --> 04:29:47,000
Way before SB 9 and the whole taking land use control away from the town.

3074
04:29:47,000 --> 04:29:51,000
It was decided by a majority of the council to not proceed.

3075
04:29:51,000 --> 04:29:57,000
That was a very flawed conclusion.

3076
04:29:57,000 --> 04:29:59,000
So what we have now.

3077
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:10,000
Is not protecting all the key pillars. But to second what Shell said, it's a start. And if people realize

3078
04:30:10,000 --> 04:30:18,000
that we want to preserve the rural environment, that's the key. And so I, I strongly encourage you, I'd like to

3079
04:30:18,000 --> 04:30:30,000
doesn't impact the timeline. I'd like to put back the pathway easements, the protect us because we came within one vote of removing all the pathway easements, which

3080
04:30:30,000 --> 04:30:34,000
that would have been a catastrophe. Thank you.

3081
04:30:34,000 --> 04:30:40,000
Okay, I don't see anybody else in the room. Is anybody online?

3082
04:30:40,000 --> 04:30:50,000
Yes, Mayor Jim Mochara. Hello council members. I wanted to alert you to the

3083
04:30:50,000 --> 04:31:00,000
supplement that I put in. We discussed this at the Planning Commission recently, part of me. And it came to light that

3084
04:31:00,000 --> 04:31:12,000
the amount of expenses and estimates of these costs only included going for the election and getting it on the ballot.

3085
04:31:12,000 --> 04:31:22,000
And that after that, there's a whole series of additional work that will be required by staff and by the legal and planning commission and city council

3086
04:31:22,000 --> 04:31:40,000
to actually redo ordinances and policies to implement this project. And so I just urge you to get a updated estimate of the grand total cost for the entire project so that you can

3087
04:31:40,000 --> 04:31:56,000
make your minds up based on the best information. And I concur that if these things could prevent us from being overblown by state mandates, I'd be all for it.

3088
04:31:56,000 --> 04:32:06,000
But of all of the concerns that I have heard about overdevelopment and other issues looking too much like Redwood City Hills,

3089
04:32:06,000 --> 04:32:24,000
this isn't going to do that. Those risks or those threats are coming by state coming from state mandates in the area of housing and it's not related to horses or to commercial development. Thank you.

3090
04:32:26,000 --> 04:32:34,000
Thank you, Mr. Shura. Anybody else online? Yeah, take up here.

3091
04:32:34,000 --> 04:32:50,000
Yes, we can. Sorry, you needed yourself again.

3092
04:32:50,000 --> 04:33:13,000
I keep getting a thing of mine. Can you explain me? Yes, we can. You see. Okay. Yes, Sacramento is taking away a lot of our democracy, but this is a small cost relative to what we quite lose.

3093
04:33:13,000 --> 04:33:28,000
If you can get some protection from this, get it while you can. It may not protect us all away. Sacramento may still override it.

3094
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:56,000
But we've been down this path before on a previous initiative. We narrowly escaped Sacramento's depredations because we passed the open space ordinance and our council members decided to pay attention to that.

3095
04:33:56,000 --> 04:34:09,000
We need to do that in these other areas, but this is in the perspective of history, not the next two years or five years.

3096
04:34:09,000 --> 04:34:23,000
In the next 20 to 50 years, if you can buy insurance, even though not be perfect, do it. Thank you.

3097
04:34:23,000 --> 04:34:32,000
Thank you, you see. No, no comments. No more. No additional comments. All right. Well, close public hearing. Oh, sorry. I did want to go ahead.

3098
04:34:32,000 --> 04:34:39,000
What into the record, council and person on you were correct. The motion from last meeting had three parts returned in June.

3099
04:34:39,000 --> 04:34:44,000
Go to the communities and commissions and conduct a prompt public survey via email.

3100
04:34:44,000 --> 04:34:49,000
It's not to knock it up. That survey.

3101
04:34:49,000 --> 04:34:58,000
Okay. Well, we all where we are. So back to council.

3102
04:34:58,000 --> 04:35:07,000
Question for Steve Mattis. We're guarding pathways. Is it possible to incorporate pathways into this?

3103
04:35:08,000 --> 04:35:15,000
It's legally possible to do a we had drafted the language for that previously. The measure that's before you tonight.

3104
04:35:15,000 --> 04:35:22,000
Doesn't have that. So if the if the council wanted to include the pathway language again.

3105
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:32,000
I would recommend one of to my primary recommendation would be that you just continue it to another date before August six and then it will come back to us a final measure.

3106
04:35:32,000 --> 04:35:37,000
And then if you wanted to do the survey, you could do that if the council wanted to move on it tonight.

3107
04:35:37,000 --> 04:35:46,000
I would ask that you move this item to later in the agenda for the final action would allow me a little time to bring back that other language.

3108
04:35:46,000 --> 04:35:49,000
That is out there if the council wanted to do that.

3109
04:35:50,000 --> 04:35:55,000
We drafted that language. It was in it was in the earlier version that the council saw.

3110
04:35:55,000 --> 04:36:02,000
When the council votes on this team, do you need to have three out of five or do you need to have five out of five?

3111
04:36:02,000 --> 04:36:06,000
No, the placement of the measure on the ballot is a simple majority of the council.

3112
04:36:06,000 --> 04:36:09,000
Thank three out of five.

3113
04:36:09,000 --> 04:36:13,000
Okay. Well, I think that we need to add the pathways to this.

3114
04:36:13,000 --> 04:36:18,000
It's always been important to have those three and we talked about it last time.

3115
04:36:18,000 --> 04:36:25,000
So anyway, I'd like if we need to move it to later than the agenda that's fine, but I'd like to make a statement.

3116
04:36:25,000 --> 04:36:29,000
How much are the pathways worth to the town?

3117
04:36:29,000 --> 04:36:40,000
The packet for September 18th, 2025 town council meeting contains a report from Matrix Consulting Group, which valued our current pathways.

3118
04:36:40,000 --> 04:36:48,000
At 91 million, 89, 91 million, 890,000, 362 dollars.

3119
04:36:48,000 --> 04:36:56,000
And the register of voters estimates the cost to place the measure on the ballot is 45,842.

3120
04:36:56,000 --> 04:37:03,000
This amounts to 5100% of the value of the pathways.

3121
04:37:03,000 --> 04:37:07,000
So that's what you're paying to reserve these.

3122
04:37:07,000 --> 04:37:12,000
5100% of 1%. Very, very small.

3123
04:37:12,000 --> 04:37:21,000
And that value doesn't include the intangible benefits to the paths to our health and our mental health.

3124
04:37:21,000 --> 04:37:29,000
And so most residents would not want to lose our pathways or any part of our rural environment.

3125
04:37:29,000 --> 04:37:38,000
And MS hasn't been noted before. We almost lost them before when the council voted to release the pathway easements.

3126
04:37:38,000 --> 04:37:43,000
So we don't want to be penny-wise and pound foolish.

3127
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:51,000
So I would suggest that we move it to later in the meeting because of already late anyway.

3128
04:37:51,000 --> 04:37:54,000
And then try to add the pathways to that.

3129
04:37:54,000 --> 04:37:58,000
So we don't have to have a separate meeting in July.

3130
04:38:07,000 --> 04:38:11,000
I understand what everybody's saying about valuing the qualities of this town.

3131
04:38:11,000 --> 04:38:18,000
I'm sure those. I'm spending time on the pathways virtually every day and enjoying the rest of the atmosphere here.

3132
04:38:18,000 --> 04:38:22,000
And in looking at, I'm going to keep myself and I hate to do that.

3133
04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:30,000
But when you look at the green sheets, it's got certain aspirational and visionary statements to it.

3134
04:38:30,000 --> 04:38:33,000
Some of which are relevant and some not so.

3135
04:38:33,000 --> 04:38:39,000
And I take a parallel of that to the declaration of independence where you don't.

3136
04:38:39,000 --> 04:38:45,000
You look at that as being your state and your vision statement and then that's not your governance statement.

3137
04:38:45,000 --> 04:38:52,000
And I take the same parallel to say, well, so how do we do our governance and that's to our general plan.

3138
04:38:52,000 --> 04:38:59,000
And the things that we're talking about which and it's difficult to change our general plan are already in our general plan.

3139
04:38:59,000 --> 04:39:07,000
It's like the Constitution then we've added amendments over the years to modify as things change.

3140
04:39:07,000 --> 04:39:11,000
But so so backing up here.

3141
04:39:11,000 --> 04:39:13,000
Any kind of activity we're looking at.

3142
04:39:13,000 --> 04:39:19,000
We have limited resources and I look to say, well, what's the benefit and then what's the cost?

3143
04:39:19,000 --> 04:39:26,000
And I went into this year thinking the things I really want us to work on are housing element issues and fire safety.

3144
04:39:26,000 --> 04:39:31,000
And I still feel like that way, like those are the things we should be focused on.

3145
04:39:31,000 --> 04:39:37,000
And so this whole issue about the green sheets and memorializing them in this ballot measure.

3146
04:39:37,000 --> 04:39:42,000
I find I found less compelling at the beginning and even more so now.

3147
04:39:42,000 --> 04:39:50,000
Because as we look and think hard about what are the issues facing us, are they the fact that people want to take away horses?

3148
04:39:50,000 --> 04:39:55,000
They are not that are they the fear that people are going to build large retail and town?

3149
04:39:55,000 --> 04:39:57,000
They are not that.

3150
04:39:57,000 --> 04:40:03,000
Are we in danger of losing our pathways and so we should value the calculated value of them?

3151
04:40:03,000 --> 04:40:04,000
No.

3152
04:40:04,000 --> 04:40:06,000
Those are not risks that we face.

3153
04:40:06,000 --> 04:40:13,000
And so then if something's not much value but it doesn't take much effort then that's another way to look at that.

3154
04:40:13,000 --> 04:40:14,000
Look at the effort.

3155
04:40:14,000 --> 04:40:21,000
We are hundreds of person hours beyond where we were a month ago with the study that we've made on this.

3156
04:40:21,000 --> 04:40:23,000
Those issues we talk about.

3157
04:40:23,000 --> 04:40:25,000
What's coming from Sacramento?

3158
04:40:25,000 --> 04:40:27,000
Let's direct our attention there.

3159
04:40:27,000 --> 04:40:28,000
That's the threat.

3160
04:40:28,000 --> 04:40:30,000
The threat is not large retail.

3161
04:40:30,000 --> 04:40:35,000
The threat is not what kind of animals we keep where.

3162
04:40:35,000 --> 04:40:38,000
The whole issue that's come up now about pathways.

3163
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:41,000
I see it's another red hearing in the sense of.

3164
04:40:41,000 --> 04:40:49,000
So now are there pathways segments that now it takes a photo of the people because to vacate it.

3165
04:40:49,000 --> 04:40:54,000
For certain instances we have pathways that frankly are not necessary that we keep that easement.

3166
04:40:54,000 --> 04:40:56,000
That's why we took it out before.

3167
04:40:56,000 --> 04:41:01,000
So I'm going to say I am most vehemently against proceeding with this.

3168
04:41:01,000 --> 04:41:05,000
The costs have gone up and we are just starting to see them.

3169
04:41:05,000 --> 04:41:18,000
And so the value and benefit proposition is way out of whack and I would rather have to focus on real issues facing our town.

3170
04:41:18,000 --> 04:41:26,000
So I do appreciate the vision and the commitment to the green sheets.

3171
04:41:26,000 --> 04:41:31,000
But my George said, you know, that is not a founding document.

3172
04:41:31,000 --> 04:41:32,000
It's aspirational.

3173
04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:37,000
Everything we're trying to achieve here is already embodied in our general plan.

3174
04:41:37,000 --> 04:41:43,000
And now when it comes to governance, state law, Trump's, you know, local law.

3175
04:41:43,000 --> 04:41:48,000
So this would not prevent Sacramento from making any decisions.

3176
04:41:48,000 --> 04:41:52,000
And I just could not support the Spanish version.

3177
04:41:57,000 --> 04:42:02,000
I'm in a difficult situation on this issue.

3178
04:42:02,000 --> 04:42:10,000
I was the one that that actually moved to put it on to consider putting on the ballot last time.

3179
04:42:10,000 --> 04:42:15,000
And in my conversations with various residents.

3180
04:42:15,000 --> 04:42:22,000
I've changed my understanding of the issue.

3181
04:42:23,000 --> 04:42:38,000
I do think that Sacramento is not going to be limited by what's what's in our ballot measure, even if assuming it passes.

3182
04:42:38,000 --> 04:42:41,000
I don't think that's going to.

3183
04:42:41,000 --> 04:42:46,000
I don't think that's going to save us from Sacramento.

3184
04:42:46,000 --> 04:42:51,000
I my concern was.

3185
04:42:51,000 --> 04:42:55,000
Is it possible for a.

3186
04:42:55,000 --> 04:43:01,000
I'm going to call it a rogue council to reverse.

3187
04:43:01,000 --> 04:43:07,000
These policies of no large scale commercial or retail land uses in town.

3188
04:43:07,000 --> 04:43:14,000
Or reverse pathways or or change the policies for domestic animals.

3189
04:43:14,000 --> 04:43:20,000
And I think that's going to be a pretty steep.

3190
04:43:20,000 --> 04:43:23,000
Hill for a council decline.

3191
04:43:23,000 --> 04:43:25,000
The fear is that they could vote on it.

3192
04:43:25,000 --> 04:43:33,000
It would pass and and then, you know, it's it would take too long to do a recall.

3193
04:43:33,000 --> 04:43:35,000
But.

3194
04:43:35,000 --> 04:43:38,000
But residents could.

3195
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:40,000
They could file a court motion.

3196
04:43:40,000 --> 04:43:44,000
They could they could file a lawsuit to prevent that.

3197
04:43:44,000 --> 04:43:48,000
And this is all in the unlikely event that.

3198
04:43:48,000 --> 04:43:53,000
You know, we get a council that that is of that view.

3199
04:43:53,000 --> 04:43:59,000
So that couple with the costs.

3200
04:43:59,000 --> 04:44:03,000
I have to say I am reluctantly.

3201
04:44:03,000 --> 04:44:06,000
I'm reluctant to kind of move forward with it.

3202
04:44:06,000 --> 04:44:08,000
I do love the pathways.

3203
04:44:08,000 --> 04:44:10,000
I hike on every week.

3204
04:44:10,000 --> 04:44:12,000
And I think they're a.

3205
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:14,000
I don't think they're worth 91 million.

3206
04:44:14,000 --> 04:44:16,000
I think they're worth one that.

3207
04:44:16,000 --> 04:44:17,000
Right.

3208
04:44:17,000 --> 04:44:20,000
But, but my challenges.

3209
04:44:20,000 --> 04:44:23,000
Is this a real threat.

3210
04:44:23,000 --> 04:44:27,000
That we're going to be confronted with.

3211
04:44:27,000 --> 04:44:31,000
And we really need to put in the the safeguards.

3212
04:44:31,000 --> 04:44:33,000
I think there are safeguards.

3213
04:44:33,000 --> 04:44:35,000
And I think there are measures that can be taken.

3214
04:44:35,000 --> 04:44:39,000
So I'm actually not in favor of moving forward at this point.

3215
04:44:39,000 --> 04:44:41,000
And I regret that.

3216
04:44:41,000 --> 04:44:43,000
It looks like I changed my mind.

3217
04:44:43,000 --> 04:44:47,000
But I do I do need to be honest about.

3218
04:44:47,000 --> 04:44:51,000
What I've learned and.

3219
04:44:51,000 --> 04:44:52,000
And.

3220
04:44:52,000 --> 04:44:55,000
And face the fact that just because I said so.

3221
04:44:55,000 --> 04:44:57,000
I had a position earlier.

3222
04:44:57,000 --> 04:45:00,000
I need to be open to.

3223
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:03,520
New information. And so I'm not favourable moving forward.

3224
04:45:05,520 --> 04:45:13,360
Okay. Well, just to get a vote down. I move that we go ahead with this ballot issue and adding the

3225
04:45:13,360 --> 04:45:21,600
pathways into it. And so that would be the virtual retail, the animals and the pathways

3226
04:45:22,560 --> 04:45:28,960
onto the ballot for the share. Okay. Your second. Okay. We have a motion in a second.

3227
04:45:30,000 --> 04:45:34,320
How's the member mark? Yes. How's the member swine? Yes. How's the member Tanka?

3228
04:45:35,520 --> 04:45:42,400
Vice Mayor Tyson? No. Mayor Beteja. No. Thank you, Mayor. The motion failed.

3229
04:45:46,080 --> 04:45:50,960
How about I proceed with the resolution? We have just seen in Washington DC over the last 10 years

3230
04:45:51,920 --> 04:45:58,400
professional norms. And the whole political process is up. Everyone keeps saying this is

3231
04:45:58,400 --> 04:46:05,360
unprecedented, unprecedented. And what amazes me is we're not learning from what happened in DC.

3232
04:46:06,000 --> 04:46:12,160
And we're playing dumb to say this will never happen here. I think it's incredibly short circuit.

3233
04:46:13,120 --> 04:46:22,960
Okay. We got a move on. Seven E. The Marta Lynn Tankhouse.

3234
04:46:27,840 --> 04:46:33,440
Thank you, Mayor. Council members. Today's presentation will be put forth by senior planner Jonathan Fox.

3235
04:46:33,440 --> 04:46:39,760
Jonathan, if you would. Thank you, Mayor and council members. We'll take me taking a look at the

3236
04:46:39,760 --> 04:46:43,280
Marta Lynn Tankhouse and the landmark designation application.

3237
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The city council approve conditional use permit 24 dash 0 0 0 2 for a new aquatic

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building at the free my health country club in 2024. As part of the conditions of approval,

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it includes a requirement for the for the club to apply for a landmark designation for the

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Marta Lynn Tankhouse. That condition must be satisfied before final close out of the building permit.

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The towns municipal code allows the city council to designate historic structures as the

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townline mark. And if the city council chooses to do so, it must make the three findings on screen.

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Staff has provided recommended language for those findings. And that's included in a test

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for one, the ordinance that is before you this evening.

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The club hired architectural preservation firm page in Turnbull to produce an evaluation report for

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the Marta Lynn Tankhouse and provide recommendations as relates to the landmark designation criteria in

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the town code. In summary, the report found that the Marta Lynn Tankhouse was constructed in 1906.

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It is historically significant to Los Heltos Hills and the Santa Clara County at large

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and it qualifies for the landmark designation under the town's adopted criteria. That full report

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has been included in your packet. And that's the picture of the Tankhouse there on the free my health

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country club property. That evaluation report was forwarded to the history committee and on February 17th

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of this year, the history committee voted unanimously to recommend to the city council

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that the Marta Lynn Tankhouse be designated as a historic landmark.

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The notice of this public hearing and the potential designation as landmark was notified to all

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properties within 500 feet of the club, as well as post being posted at three sites on the property.

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No public comments were received as part of this application. One public comment was received in

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2024 when the conditional use permit was up for discussion and it relates to the water tank. That same

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public comment from 2024 is included in your packet.

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So following the Blanton Mark evaluations report recommending designation of the Marta Lynn Tankhouse

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as landmark and following the history committee's recommendation for a landmark staff is

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recommending that the city council introduced an ordinance, attachment one, designated the Marta Lynn

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Tankhouse at 1-2-8-89 this game of place. The free my Hills country club as a historical landmark.

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As it is an ordinance, it'd be introduced tonight and would come back at a subsequent meeting for adoption.

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Here for any questions, thank you. Any questions?

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Okay, I'll show you up in a public comment.

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All about the speaking as the history of the history committee, I urge you to vote for the

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landmark. I think page and promo did a wonderful job. There's no doubt that it is the landmark and

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there is a person that was a former free my Hills member that was willing to go out and try to find

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raise to try to get the improvements done on the water tank. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Gottlieb.

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Anybody else? Anybody online? No, I'm here. All right, we'll close public comment, bring it back to council.

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I do have a question. If we designate this as a historical landmark, who gets to maintain it to be

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kind of consistent with the historical sort of appearance and standards, it would be the

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requirement of the property owner to maintain it. And if they didn't, if they didn't, it would be

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in violation of the designation and the town could look at enforcement of the ordinance.

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I agree. Do you have enough code enforcement mechanisms today, or would you be looking

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at the New Orleans? I think it might depend on the specific case of what is being in this hypothetical

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violated. Let's say they didn't maintain it. If it's a substantial change to the modification,

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yeah, that's going to be one way to consider it, but if it's minor, I think we could work with them and see if

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it's something that could be a fixed. If your question is more on the extreme side, I think staff

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need to convene and understand that situation more. Mr. Bradford, your thoughts?

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Yeah, so having managed historic structures in the past, certainly there's

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Department of Interior guides and guidelines as it relates to the maintenance and modifications

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associated with structures to be able to keep them historic. I think if we found activities

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associated with the water tower, either lack of maintenance, improper changes of materials, things of

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that nature, then we would have a reason to find the property owner in violation associated with the

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designation and the lack of maintenance associated with it, or if it was the removal or

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potential replacement of inappropriate materials. Thank you. All right, I think we need a motion as

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that, right? Yes, that's correct. I'm moved that we introduce an ordinance to designate the

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Martha Lynn tankhouse at 1, 2, 8, 8, 9, this guinald place as the historic landmark as

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noted in their building permit when they agreed to do this. Second. Okay, we have a motion in a second.

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Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swan. Yes. Councilmember Tonko. Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes,

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Mayor Petitja. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, moving on to 7F. This has to do with density bonus.

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Consideration of a waiver of reading and introduction of an ordinance adding

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article 17 to chapter 1, zoning of title 10, zoning and site development of the Los Altersville's

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municipal code to implement state density bonus law pursuant to housing element program B3.

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Mayor, I will make this presentation as well too if we could have that presentation come on.

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And if you could go to slide number two, there we go. Thank you. So, in terms of background,

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it's the council recall the housing element actually contains a program B3 that requires that the city

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amend the zoning ordinance to update the density bonus regulations to meet the updated state

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requirements. We are in our estimated timelines of compliance. It's a Q1226 timeline, but from a practical

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standpoint, the way density bonus laws written in California, the density bonus law, the state provisions

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apply right now anyway, but state law does require that each town have density bonus. It is important

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to understand density bonus applies to projects that are five or more units. So, the reason the

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Los Altersville's has not had a density bonus statute in the past is because you just

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through this housing element and the recent adoption of the multi-family zoning now create developments

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that are more than five units. The state density bonus law, California law, requires general

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law and charter cities to grant density bonuses, waivers and incentives to qualifying affordable housing

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developments or other eligible projects when we list some of those here. The basic premise of

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state density bonus law is that developers provide either affordable housing or land for affordable

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housing or housing for the elderly and there's also consideration for student housing and if they do that

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and their deed restricted, so this is not voluntary, this is a deed restriction, then they get

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additional density allowed and they also get what are referred to as waivers and

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concessions which I'll talk about more as we go through here. Cities are required to comply with the

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state density bonus law and they're also required to adopt local ordinances. I noted before,

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a next slide please. Again, just getting the basics of the law, this gives

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project proponents developers the right to seek and obtain a density bonus and other incentives

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are concessions and exchange for the types of categories that I just talked about. The density

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bonus is awarded based on a sliding scale so if you think about it, the more affordable the units are

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so you think very low-income versus low-income versus moderate-income, the more affordable the units are

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the earlier you get to the percentage increase in the base density and the higher percentages of

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increases you get and so that's the scale that works on and there's a very extensive set of state laws and

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tables that show what that is. Next slide please. A density bonus is calculated over the base density

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so so the first thing that you look at is what is the base density that's allowed

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under either the zoning, the specific plan or the land use element or the housing element if you

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will but it's the housing element feeds into the land use element and you select whichever one is the

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highest so for instance in Los Alto's fields right now we have a housing element that's part of the

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general plan that has the zoning for the multifamily sites and so that would be the controlling

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set of restrictions that in the land use element which the council recently adopted as well too.

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We now have zoning in place and if the zoning happened to have a higher density then that would be allowed but

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practically the way Los Alto's hills and most cities and towns operate the general plan sets the highest

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standard and then the zoning sometimes can strange that. If there is no base density then a developer

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can submit a base density study and the city is required to accept it as long as the study includes

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all of the applicable objective development standards this is a provision that is frankly a lot more

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applicable in other cities than Los Alto's hills. Los Alto's hills really has the three basic zoning

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categories now you have single family residential slash agricultural you have institutional which doesn't

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allow residential and then you have now multifamily zoning but other cities have many different categories many

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additional categories. Under state density bonus law all fractional all fractional numbers are rounded up to the

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next whole number so if someone's entitled to 6.1% density bonus you rounded up to 7% and the applicant

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needs to use the same set of affordable applicants can use the same set of affordable units to satisfy

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density bonus requests that they use to satisfy local inclusionary housing programs many other cities in

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California that have rental or for cell properties have a minimum inclusionary requirement which means

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that you can say like will approve residential but 5% of your residential units have to be

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and that's what's referred to as an inclusionary requirement many cities in California have that

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Los Alto's hills just not yet have that but this is saying that if you have an inclusionary and it

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gives you enough units to qualify for density bonus then you can apply you get the benefit of density bonus

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even though you're required by law

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Law to provide the affordable units. Next slide. That's a state law requirement. The

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density bonus law provides either additional units above the base density. That could be up to 50%

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could be up to 100%. But it also provides for what are called incentives and concessions and for

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waivers of development standards than it establishes parking standards too, which often

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equate to parking reductions or reductions in parking standards. So the incentives and

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concessions are reductions or elimination of standards that would lead to cost reductions

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for a density bonus project. So the developer has to provide some information to support

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that, but if they do, then you would grant them an incentive and a concession and I should

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back up a little bit. The number of incentives and concessions that a property owner developer

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would be entitled to is also related to the level of affordability that they do. So the more affordable

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the project it is, the more incentives and concessions they get. So what are incentives and concessions,

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the statute broadly defines them to include modifications and development, design and architectural

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standards. So you can think about things like setbacks, it's standards, et cetera. And again,

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this is state law, so the town can't override that anyway. And in some instances, some communities

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throughout California have high standards that have been adopted by the voters and state density

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bonus law allows you to override that as well too. The numbers of incessions and incentives

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I said is based on the percentage and level of affordable housing. It's a maximum of five

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incentives or concessions. And the town can not require a pro format to prove the cost reduction.

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Earlier versions of the density bonus law did actually allow that in towns actually required it,

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towns and cities did. And then this one of the many amendments to density bonus laws over the last

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10 years or so have taken away the town's ability or city's ability to require a pro format to

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prove the cost reduction. And similar to like the housing and accountability act in the builders,

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remedy laws, if the town were to deny a density bonus request, it has to make very specific findings

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of an adverse impact to historic property or a violation of law. So it's a very narrow set of circumstances

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under which a city can adopt a density bonus request. Next slide, please.

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The second part of it, so what I was just talking about was incentives or concessions,

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there's also what are referred to as a waiver of development standards. And this portion of

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density bonus law allows for the elimination of local standards that would physically preclude construction

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of a density bonus project. So again, think of things like setbacks, height restrictions,

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FAR requirements for a ratio requirements. These are broadly defined by statute and density

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bonus projects get an unlimited number of waivers. So there have been projects in California,

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but I've seen where developers have come in with 20 or so development standard waivers

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to make a project viable. The city must grant the waivers to allow for the project is designed

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by the developer. You cannot request the applicant to change or eliminate the need for a waiver.

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So again, this is state law really stepping in. The town must also make specific findings to deny a

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request. Next slide. State density bonus law also allows parking reductions and sets

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parking standards for density bonus projects. And you can see the standards on the screen right now.

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And then additional, this is not relevant to Los Altoes hills, but additional reductions are available

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for projects in your major transit stops. If you think of Redwood City by the countering station or

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Palo Alto by the countering station, you can actually have projects that have no parking requirements at all.

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Right now, it's very similar to what exists up in San Francisco right now.

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The next slide please. As should say, there was one little comment at the bottom of the last slide.

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You can, you can leave it on this slide, but some developers these days are actually using state

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density bonus law just to get incentives and concessions. They don't actually want to build the

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additional units and they're not under state law. They're not required to build the additional units,

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but they do sometimes provide a certain level of affordability and then they take advantage of the

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incentives and concessions and they don't build any additional units. That's becoming more common these days.

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There have been a number of state law changes over the last probably five to 10 years

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under state density bonus law. AB 2345 increased the maximum density to 50 percent

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lower to affordability thresholds for incentives and incentives reduce parking requirements and added incentives for senior housing.

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So a senior housing project right now qualifies for a density bonus.

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There for senior housing and student housing is a set percentage increase. It's 20 percent more.

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It doesn't work on a scale with affordability.

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SB 1763 extended expanded benefits for 100 percent affordable projects up to 80 percent density

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bonus, certain hiding creases and an eliminated parking requirements and some.

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And then SB 1227 one of the more recent ones added incentives for qualified student housing projects

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that are now in play and all of these provisions apply across the state. So they apply in

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less outdoors hills right now even if you don't adopt an ordinance. The next slide please.

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So the proposed ordinance right now is structured to have an ordinance that complies with state law

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but it does it by incorporating in a lot of state law provisions. The state density bonus law

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has changed many times almost annually over the last five plus years and cities used to adopt

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density bonus ordinances that were very specific to those cities but then the state kept stepping

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in and overriding what they did and so the better practices these days is really to incorporate in

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by reference to state laws because those are what are going to apply anyway and then that way you don't

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have to keep amending your ordinance every time the state changes the law. It does have different effects on

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you as they do change the state law but you're not having to go back and constantly update your

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density bonus ordinance which cities did have to do over the last few years. So the sections 10-1-17001-703

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implements the basic state density bonus law requirements that I've been talking about here and

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send of concessions, waivers, reductions. It does include an optional conditional use permit process

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for bonuses above state maximums and bonuses below state minimums. The some cities I'm

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familiar with this want to want to creeks done this they actually provided additional incentives

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that are beyond state law and they did that to try to promote even more housing opportunities. I will say

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when want to creeks adopted that a number of years ago that was before the state density bonus laws

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changed to further increase it because now you can get density bonus up to 50 percent on a number of

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I think you can actually get up to 100 percent on a purely affordable project and you can get up to 50 percent

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but the most recent changes to state density bonus law allowed developers to stack density bonus on top

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so you can get even above 50 percent of a density bonus. The section 10-1-17004 brings in and

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recognizes that you can get a density bonus if you provide a child care facility and 10-1-17005 just

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implement in the state parking reductions that I showed you earlier. The next slide please.

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17-06-1711 are just the procedural mechanisms state density bonus law when you do provide affordable

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units it does require deed restrictions and covenants and whatnot so these are deed restricted

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affordable for rentals for 55 years and so you need to have provisions to be able to administer those

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and then as I said earlier we did adopt this proposed ordinance does include some local flexibility

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which would allow the council through the discretionary approval not a mandatory discretionary approval

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of a CEP to potentially even provide a greater density bonus if you chose to.

3432
05:09:18,440 --> 05:09:27,320
Next slide please. The environmental review and consequences this ordinance right now is exempt from

3433
05:09:27,320 --> 05:09:32,600
seek with the adoption of this is exempt from seek. It's implementing part of your housing element.

3434
05:09:32,600 --> 05:09:38,040
Again this is a requirement of the housing element and the risk of non-compliance right now

3435
05:09:40,840 --> 05:09:46,200
if there's an assertion that the city is not compliant with state density bonus law the town has the

3436
05:09:46,200 --> 05:09:52,280
burden approved to show that it complied with the statute we also and I think more importantly we have a

3437
05:09:52,280 --> 05:09:58,120
policy B3 in our housing element which says we will adopt this and so I would recommend you know that

3438
05:09:58,120 --> 05:10:03,560
that be a driving consideration on the part of the city council. Next slide.

3439
05:10:05,080 --> 05:10:09,720
And so our recommendation is that the council wave reading and introduce the ordinance

3440
05:10:09,720 --> 05:10:14,120
of this ordinance was reviewed by the planning commission planning commission recommended approval

3441
05:10:14,120 --> 05:10:20,840
as it was as it is presented to you today and if the council were to introduce it tonight it would

3442
05:10:21,720 --> 05:10:27,160
come back at your next meeting for adoption and then we would as we do with all zoning ordinances we would

3443
05:10:28,440 --> 05:10:32,280
HGD would have an opportunity to look at it they don't have to approve it but they just have an

3444
05:10:32,280 --> 05:10:36,680
opportunity to look at it we'd be able to show that we have wearing compliance with one of our housing

3445
05:10:36,680 --> 05:10:42,280
element policies and with that I'm happy to answer any questions Jay's happy to answer any questions as well

3446
05:10:42,280 --> 05:10:50,680
take thank you as Mattis any questions from council. Is it too late? Well we have to adopt it.

3447
05:10:51,480 --> 05:10:57,320
I have a question where you say they could get undeveloped we could get unlimited waivers

3448
05:10:58,520 --> 05:11:03,960
that sounds ominous. It'd be defined I mean it's really unbelievable.

3449
05:11:03,960 --> 05:11:12,040
It's unlimited development standard waivers so so if you have a development standard say a setback

3450
05:11:12,040 --> 05:11:21,880
or a you know a height limitation they can seek waivers of those standards assuming they've

3451
05:11:21,880 --> 05:11:29,640
provided the required level of affordable housing and if they do that the council has to approve it.

3452
05:11:30,600 --> 05:11:37,720
Well what does that mean let's say the point of waiver on the height limit so can they go 50 stories

3453
05:11:38,680 --> 05:11:45,720
in theory it does mean that but in practice it generally does not work that way because the

3454
05:11:45,720 --> 05:11:52,520
cost of construction gets so much greater as especially as you go over Jay's better at answering this

3455
05:11:52,520 --> 05:11:57,800
question but I think the current level is if you get over seven or eight stories it's a different kind of

3456
05:11:57,880 --> 05:12:05,480
construction that has to come into play and so what has been you know what you see all up and down

3457
05:12:05,480 --> 05:12:11,560
El Camino right now are these four to five six seven story buildings which those are the ones that we're

3458
05:12:11,560 --> 05:12:17,320
affordable if you talk to developers right now again this is not a less alto skills issue but it is everywhere else

3459
05:12:17,960 --> 05:12:22,600
even those kinds of developments are not affordable right now so that's why you've seen such a slow down

3460
05:12:23,160 --> 05:12:28,600
in the construction of those because they're very hard to make economically fee so you know so there

3461
05:12:28,600 --> 05:12:34,600
is no height limit in that case is what you're telling me the limit is really purely economic

3462
05:12:35,400 --> 05:12:40,520
that's correct and there's the same thing applied to setbacks like can they go right up to the property line

3463
05:12:41,160 --> 05:12:45,000
they can get development standards to waive setback requirements as well too

3464
05:12:47,160 --> 05:12:50,600
okay I don't have any further questions anybody else no

3465
05:12:51,480 --> 05:13:00,360
can we open it up to public comment it's a long day anybody online not me here all right

3466
05:13:00,360 --> 05:13:05,400
well close public comment bringing back to council I assume you need a motion for us to

3467
05:13:05,400 --> 05:13:09,720
we need a motion to waive reading and introduce the ordinance and then if that gets approved it will come

3468
05:13:09,720 --> 05:13:19,080
back to the council for adoption at the next next regular meeting I can do it all right

3469
05:13:20,600 --> 05:13:25,720
I move that we waive the reading and introduce the ordinance as noted in item seven f

3470
05:13:26,680 --> 05:13:30,040
second okay we have a motion in a second

3471
05:13:32,040 --> 05:13:39,640
council member mark yes council member sworn yes council member tanka yes vice mayor Tyson mayor potato yes thank you

3472
05:13:40,600 --> 05:13:43,640
hey on to item seven g thank you council

3473
05:13:54,360 --> 05:14:00,760
thank you mayor we'll be looking at the wireless facility renewal at 26140 do ball way

3474
05:14:02,680 --> 05:14:08,600
here is the project site 26140 do ball do ball comes off of rubbleeter road to the south

3475
05:14:08,680 --> 05:14:14,040
the project site is west of 280 and is also the site for the religious institutions Saint Luke's

3476
05:14:14,040 --> 05:14:24,120
chapel in the hills photo of the wireless facility under consideration for the renewal

3477
05:14:24,120 --> 05:14:31,080
the scope of work is a renewal and propose amendments to the conditions of approval there is no

3478
05:14:31,160 --> 05:14:41,080
proposed modifications to the facility so draw your attention first to the three photos at the bottom

3479
05:14:41,080 --> 05:14:47,640
there are three separate wireless facilities at this one project site the only one up for consideration

3480
05:14:47,640 --> 05:14:53,000
this evening is highlighted yellow right there in the middle so starting from left to right on the left

3481
05:14:53,000 --> 05:14:59,080
there is a wireless facility that is hidden within the flagpole in the middle the permit under consideration

3482
05:14:59,080 --> 05:15:01,080
there is a wireless facility

3483
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,000
In the church steeple, and then on the right there is a cell tower that is designed as a tree.

3484
05:15:06,000 --> 05:15:14,000
So the church steeple facility was approved in 1997. That CUP requires renewal every three years.

3485
05:15:14,000 --> 05:15:22,000
It was last renewed in 2005. So it is expired. However, it has been in continuous operation since it's been constructed.

3486
05:15:22,000 --> 05:15:26,000
And that is the reason for the renewal requests this evening.

3487
05:15:27,000 --> 05:15:36,000
This was brought to the planning commission at its April 13 meeting of this year where the commission unanimously recommended that the city council approve the renewal and modifications to the use permit.

3488
05:15:36,000 --> 05:15:42,000
We'll take a look at those modifications to the conditions on the last slide.

3489
05:15:42,000 --> 05:15:51,000
The public notice for this CUP renewal was again published for the city council 500 feet to all the noticing radius with 500 feet to all properties.

3490
05:15:51,000 --> 05:15:54,000
No public comment was received.

3491
05:15:57,000 --> 05:16:00,000
And with that involved in the planning commission's recommendation for approval.

3492
05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:10,000
Staff recommends that the city council adopted resolution, the attachment one, making a categorical exemption determination under SQL, pursuant to section 15301 subsection B.

3493
05:16:10,000 --> 05:16:14,000
And approve the conditional use permit subject to conditions or approval.

3494
05:16:14,000 --> 05:16:22,000
Those two amendments that I referenced that the commission has already recommended approval of are to increase the renewal term from three years to ten years.

3495
05:16:22,000 --> 05:16:28,000
At ten year appeared more lines with the town's modern practices when it comes to CUPs.

3496
05:16:28,000 --> 05:16:41,000
And then also modifying the requirement for T mobile to produce a radio frequency emission report every year, changing that to add staff's direction, but no more than once per year.

3497
05:16:42,000 --> 05:16:44,000
But that I'm here for any questions. Thank you.

3498
05:16:44,000 --> 05:16:47,000
Okay. Any questions?

3499
05:16:47,000 --> 05:16:50,000
All right. Public comment.

3500
05:16:50,000 --> 05:16:52,000
Anyone online?

3501
05:16:52,000 --> 05:16:53,000
No mayor.

3502
05:16:53,000 --> 05:16:57,000
All right. Close public comment when you're back to council.

3503
05:16:57,000 --> 05:16:59,000
Anybody want to make a motion?

3504
05:16:59,000 --> 05:17:03,000
I can make it. We can just see I move that the.

3505
05:17:04,000 --> 05:17:11,000
Accept the staff's recommendation regarding adopting a resolution, making a categorical exemption.

3506
05:17:11,000 --> 05:17:19,000
Determination under SQL, pursuant to section 15301 B and approve the conditional use permit.

3507
05:17:19,000 --> 05:17:21,000
Subject to conditions of approval.

3508
05:17:21,000 --> 05:17:31,000
Increase renewal terms from three to ten years and modify RF emission testing from end requirements to add staff's discretion, but no more than once per year.

3509
05:17:33,000 --> 05:17:36,000
All right. We have a motion in a second.

3510
05:17:36,000 --> 05:17:37,000
Councilmember Mark.

3511
05:17:37,000 --> 05:17:38,000
Yes.

3512
05:17:38,000 --> 05:17:39,000
Councilmember Sly. Yes.

3513
05:17:39,000 --> 05:17:40,000
Councilmember Tanka.

3514
05:17:40,000 --> 05:17:41,000
Yes.

3515
05:17:41,000 --> 05:17:42,000
Vice Mayor Tyson.

3516
05:17:42,000 --> 05:17:43,000
Yes.

3517
05:17:43,000 --> 05:17:44,000
Mayor Vatija. Yes.

3518
05:17:44,000 --> 05:17:45,000
Thank you.

3519
05:17:45,000 --> 05:17:46,000
All right.

3520
05:17:46,000 --> 05:17:47,000
Moving to new business.

3521
05:17:47,000 --> 05:17:53,000
Discussion and direction regarding a potential Western community barn master plan.

3522
05:17:53,000 --> 05:17:56,000
I have a short presentation.

3523
05:17:56,000 --> 05:17:58,000
So this is going to.

3524
05:17:58,000 --> 05:18:00,000
It's a question of.

3525
05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:03,000
Council direction. So there's no motion or action that needs to be taken.

3526
05:18:03,000 --> 05:18:08,000
So a review of the current process of how staff addresses improvements at the barn.

3527
05:18:08,000 --> 05:18:11,000
Every year staff goes out and meets with the concessionaire.

3528
05:18:11,000 --> 05:18:15,000
And we compile list of all the items that we could potentially include.

3529
05:18:15,000 --> 05:18:17,000
It within two lists.

3530
05:18:17,000 --> 05:18:21,000
So as if you recall from the last meeting when we were discussing the VDE contract.

3531
05:18:21,000 --> 05:18:26,000
She does have a set of maintenance hours with our crew.

3532
05:18:26,000 --> 05:18:30,000
So within the two lists are the items that could fall with.

3533
05:18:30,000 --> 05:18:35,000
That could be addressed by those maintenance hours or ones that need to be put into a larger scale CIP.

3534
05:18:35,000 --> 05:18:38,000
And as a reminder, we did include a commitment in the VDE contract.

3535
05:18:38,000 --> 05:18:45,000
There is going to be an ongoing CIP in our budget anywhere from 50 K to 100 K.

3536
05:18:45,000 --> 05:18:49,000
So in this most recent year when we went to talk with Tory.

3537
05:18:49,000 --> 05:18:53,000
This is what the items that were identified and we've put them into the two lists.

3538
05:18:53,000 --> 05:18:59,000
So things that could be addressed under the normal maintenance hours have to do with some addressing.

3539
05:18:59,000 --> 05:19:04,000
So the road in activity and shed repairing erosion at the bottom of the hill.

3540
05:19:04,000 --> 05:19:08,000
And a general main main that's in clean up of a pasture.

3541
05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:15,000
But items that fall under a larger scale project include things from the place in the paddocks.

3542
05:19:15,000 --> 05:19:19,000
There's concerns about the barn doors, stall doors.

3543
05:19:19,000 --> 05:19:22,000
There's feeding pasture that may need to be built.

3544
05:19:22,000 --> 05:19:27,000
She addressed improvements that need to be made to the roof.

3545
05:19:27,000 --> 05:19:33,000
A possible removing of security wires with our bayon.

3546
05:19:33,000 --> 05:19:35,000
Security system that's up there.

3547
05:19:35,000 --> 05:19:42,000
There's a larger list of items and staff doesn't really have a good idea of the cost of these CIP items.

3548
05:19:42,000 --> 05:19:47,000
We estimated ones that we knew off the top of our head, but there's a lot of unknowns.

3549
05:19:47,000 --> 05:19:55,000
So the purpose of tonight is to discuss if there's a better way to handle these items that it continually come up year to year.

3550
05:19:55,000 --> 05:19:59,000
So option one is how we're doing it right now, a case by case approach.

3551
05:19:59,000 --> 05:20:02,000
Or as I mentioned, Tory comes and talks to us.

3552
05:20:02,000 --> 05:20:12,000
We identify certain things and we put it on the CIP, but it's really we're just picking what we think is the highest priority at the time using staff's best guess and Tory's best guess.

3553
05:20:12,000 --> 05:20:16,000
Another option would be to explore a master plan.

3554
05:20:16,000 --> 05:20:19,000
And we did this similar to the corp yard.

3555
05:20:19,000 --> 05:20:26,000
A master plan would take in with an external consultants expertise, everything that's happening at the barn.

3556
05:20:26,000 --> 05:20:33,000
All of the operations, the training, the long term capital improvement, prioritization, everything like that.

3557
05:20:33,000 --> 05:20:44,000
And it's acknowledging two things that staff is not an expert in barn operations and the concession area is not an expert in facility maintenance.

3558
05:20:44,000 --> 05:20:47,000
And the exit consider, this is not on the work plan.

3559
05:20:47,000 --> 05:20:52,000
We needed to go back out and see what this would actually cost.

3560
05:20:52,000 --> 05:20:57,000
There was a asked the public works director who has experienced in facility master plan.

3561
05:20:57,000 --> 05:21:03,000
He gave a range of around 60K to 130K given the scope of the contract.

3562
05:21:03,000 --> 05:21:08,000
There's no immediate impact on tonight's decision from the city council.

3563
05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:11,000
We're really just looking at is this something that you're interested in.

3564
05:21:11,000 --> 05:21:18,000
Should we consider a better way to handle the improvements at Westwood barn.

3565
05:21:18,000 --> 05:21:21,000
So that's the question that's before the council.

3566
05:21:21,000 --> 05:21:26,000
And staff could come back with if you're interested in learning more about a master plan.

3567
05:21:26,000 --> 05:21:30,000
We could come back with the cost impacts of the work plan and all of that.

3568
05:21:30,000 --> 05:21:34,000
We just wanted to see if this is not something you wanted to spend staff time on.

3569
05:21:34,000 --> 05:21:36,000
That concludes staff report here for questions.

3570
05:21:36,000 --> 05:21:38,000
Any questions from council?

3571
05:21:41,000 --> 05:21:43,000
Are we looking for comments?

3572
05:21:43,000 --> 05:21:44,000
Questions?

3573
05:21:44,000 --> 05:21:45,000
Disquestions.

3574
05:21:47,000 --> 05:21:49,000
No.

3575
05:21:49,000 --> 05:21:50,000
Any questions?

3576
05:21:50,000 --> 05:21:52,000
I've got a question.

3577
05:21:52,000 --> 05:21:58,000
What problem is this solution supposed to be addressing?

3578
05:21:58,000 --> 05:22:04,000
Is it things not working right now or why are we doing this?

3579
05:22:04,000 --> 05:22:09,000
It's admitting that we don't have a long term plan.

3580
05:22:09,000 --> 05:22:13,000
And we understood all of the issues that needed to happen at the facility.

3581
05:22:13,000 --> 05:22:14,000
We planned the mall.

3582
05:22:14,000 --> 05:22:15,000
We worked out the finances of them.

3583
05:22:15,000 --> 05:22:17,000
It was a more robust plan.

3584
05:22:17,000 --> 05:22:19,000
At the Westwood barn.

3585
05:22:19,000 --> 05:22:23,000
We don't really have that as I was trying to share with the process we're doing right now.

3586
05:22:23,000 --> 05:22:25,000
It's just a case by case year to year.

3587
05:22:25,000 --> 05:22:27,000
This is the funds we have.

3588
05:22:27,000 --> 05:22:29,000
We're asking toward what she prioritizes.

3589
05:22:29,000 --> 05:22:34,000
The question also came up because we heard that she thinks that the roof needs to be replaced.

3590
05:22:34,000 --> 05:22:38,000
But she also mentioned she's not a facility expert.

3591
05:22:38,000 --> 05:22:47,000
So it's all of these questions of, you know, what is the actual status in the integrity of these things around the barn?

3592
05:22:47,000 --> 05:22:49,000
And that's what we're trying to answer.

3593
05:22:49,000 --> 05:22:54,000
It seems like you can get a roof assessment for a lot less money.

3594
05:22:54,000 --> 05:22:59,000
And then because that's a major piece of money to fix that if it needs to be replaced.

3595
05:22:59,000 --> 05:23:03,000
But I don't think you need a whole plan to figure out whether or not the roof needs to be replaced.

3596
05:23:03,000 --> 05:23:10,000
But whether or not the roof needs to be, I don't know, it just seems like a lot of money that's not going to maintenance that.

3597
05:23:10,000 --> 05:23:11,000
Yeah.

3598
05:23:11,000 --> 05:23:13,000
That is one portion of it.

3599
05:23:13,000 --> 05:23:19,000
Another, as we're going through the VD contract staff also realized we're not an expertise in arena maintenance.

3600
05:23:19,000 --> 05:23:23,000
There was a lot of components to flipping, laser and replacing of equipment.

3601
05:23:23,000 --> 05:23:27,000
All of that, which we're not an expert in that either.

3602
05:23:27,000 --> 05:23:38,000
So we know that there are people that are and that really do know that the, how, what mean this is needed for those and how much duration you should have run for those types of arenas.

3603
05:23:38,000 --> 05:23:41,000
So there's all these unknown questions we don't know.

3604
05:23:41,000 --> 05:23:46,000
And we're just saying there is someone who does have that information and this is a way to get that.

3605
05:23:46,000 --> 05:23:56,000
But whenever the putting was installed in the arena is that you had a vendor and they probably have the expertise that can tell you what you need to do to maintain it.

3606
05:23:56,000 --> 05:23:59,000
And then wouldn't cost you anything.

3607
05:23:59,000 --> 05:24:07,000
So because if they install these all the time, they know exactly what it's going to take to keep it up over the years.

3608
05:24:07,000 --> 05:24:10,000
I just drew.

3609
05:24:10,000 --> 05:24:12,000
Anyone else?

3610
05:24:12,000 --> 05:24:15,000
All right, let's open it up to public comment.

3611
05:24:15,000 --> 05:24:29,000
Like council members swan said, I think it would be a mistake to spend a lot of money.

3612
05:24:29,000 --> 05:24:34,000
Trying to determine what's to be done as opposed to spending the money on getting the work done.

3613
05:24:34,000 --> 05:24:43,000
I think Tory has the expertise to handle the things outside the building, but I think with regards to the building structure itself.

3614
05:24:43,000 --> 05:24:46,000
I think she probably needs some assistance in that regard.

3615
05:24:46,000 --> 05:24:52,000
I agree if you need to, if you think you need a roof, you can get a roof or to come out and give you an estimate for free.

3616
05:24:52,000 --> 05:24:55,000
You don't have to actually pay for that.

3617
05:24:55,000 --> 05:25:02,000
But I do think it might be helpful to have someone take a look at the building and what things need to be done.

3618
05:25:02,000 --> 05:25:10,000
But I think that would be something in the 10 or 20 thousand dollar range, not something in the 60 to 160 thousand dollar range.

3619
05:25:10,000 --> 05:25:12,000
So I would say concentrate on the building.

3620
05:25:12,000 --> 05:25:16,000
See if there's something that needs to be done as far as the outside is concerned.

3621
05:25:16,000 --> 05:25:20,000
I think Tory has the expertise to determine what needs to be done in those areas.

3622
05:25:20,000 --> 05:25:24,000
And I think they're much kind of more obvious and important to do.

3623
05:25:24,000 --> 05:25:25,000
So that's my thought.

3624
05:25:25,000 --> 05:25:26,000
Thank you.

3625
05:25:26,000 --> 05:25:27,000
Thank you.

3626
05:25:27,000 --> 05:25:29,000
I just want to say one more thing though.

3627
05:25:29,000 --> 05:25:35,000
The town receives about a quarter of a million dollars from the operations of the barn.

3628
05:25:35,000 --> 05:25:45,000
Okay, so we've set aside 75 roughly 50 thousand dollars a year from the from the cell tower committed towards structural and other changes there.

3629
05:25:45,000 --> 05:25:50,000
But we also get a quarter of a million dollars a year from Tory from operating that barn.

3630
05:25:50,000 --> 05:25:52,000
We've just put that money into the general fund.

3631
05:25:52,000 --> 05:25:53,000
I'm not saying that's wrong.

3632
05:25:53,000 --> 05:25:58,000
I'm just saying some of that money couldn't could be used towards maintaining the barn.

3633
05:25:58,000 --> 05:26:00,000
So thank you very much.

3634
05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:01,000
Thank you.

3635
05:26:01,000 --> 05:26:02,000
Anybody else?

3636
05:26:02,000 --> 05:26:03,000
Nobody else?

3637
05:26:03,000 --> 05:26:04,000
Anybody on line?

3638
05:26:04,000 --> 05:26:05,000
No mayor.

3639
05:26:05,000 --> 05:26:06,000
All right.

3640
05:26:06,000 --> 05:26:09,000
We'll close public calling and bring it back.

3641
05:26:09,000 --> 05:26:12,000
Okay guys.

3642
05:26:12,000 --> 05:26:16,000
What we need here is something called a reserve study.

3643
05:26:16,000 --> 05:26:19,000
And what that does is it takes a look at a building.

3644
05:26:19,000 --> 05:26:23,000
It looks like at every piece of the building.

3645
05:26:23,000 --> 05:26:28,000
And then it determines how many more years it has left.

3646
05:26:28,000 --> 05:26:31,000
Now this is the expertise that you're looking for.

3647
05:26:31,000 --> 05:26:36,880
And then it determines what the replacement cycle is for each one of those items.

3648
05:26:36,880 --> 05:26:38,080
We don't have that.

3649
05:26:38,080 --> 05:26:45,760
And that barn, I mean, it needs somebody to look at it in that sense of the word reserve study.

3650
05:26:45,760 --> 05:26:59,000
But the barn was totally redone 20 years ago, so it's not like it's okay, so it doesn't have air conditioning, you know, it doesn't have a lot of...

3651
05:26:59,000 --> 05:27:07,240
No, no, no, no, in reserve study, they have this unit, whatever it happens to be, or let's say it's a roof, right?

3652
05:27:07,240 --> 05:27:14,440
You have a so many years on a roof, you have a lapse, like, let's say it's a 40-year roof and you've gone 20 years.

3653
05:27:14,440 --> 05:27:16,040
You still have 20 years.

3654
05:27:16,040 --> 05:27:20,280
So what you want to do is you want to fund for that rest of the 20 years.

3655
05:27:20,280 --> 05:27:27,720
And what this does for the city is that it gives them an idea of what needs to be replaced when,

3656
05:27:27,720 --> 05:27:30,600
when the maintenance items need to come.

3657
05:27:30,600 --> 05:27:35,960
And if we just keep up on that, what you'll get is something that's automatic.

3658
05:27:35,960 --> 05:27:45,320
It will come to the council, oh, this is what's happening with the barn, this is the money that we should place into the barn, because of this particular item.

3659
05:27:45,320 --> 05:27:50,280
Now, some items don't need to be replaced in the barn. Others do.

3660
05:27:50,280 --> 05:27:57,640
I'm not an expert in this area, but maybe that person that you're talking about, Cody, is an expert.

3661
05:27:57,960 --> 05:28:03,320
And he does know the appreciation, life spans of each component of the barn.

3662
05:28:06,280 --> 05:28:15,320
I like the, sorry, I'm looking. I like the idea of preparing for the future and having a systematic plan about

3663
05:28:15,320 --> 05:28:24,520
when these things will come up and having a plan on how to address them, but 100,000 esteem excessive.

3664
05:28:24,520 --> 05:28:30,760
And if that same money could be used towards actually replacing these things, I think it'll be better.

3665
05:28:31,880 --> 05:28:37,560
Could we come back to this? And maybe you can break it up in different segments.

3666
05:28:37,560 --> 05:28:41,720
And for example, the rules get a rule for if it's a building, get a contractor.

3667
05:28:41,720 --> 05:28:47,720
Maybe then we can make a domination of whether we really need a consultant and for a limited issue,

3668
05:28:47,720 --> 05:28:54,360
as opposed to just getting an overarching consultant for everything.

3669
05:28:54,520 --> 05:28:59,640
You know, earlier today, we talked about who's going to maintain that tank house or water tank.

3670
05:28:59,640 --> 05:29:04,280
And then we talked about the green sheets and what's important in this town. And I look at that barn.

3671
05:29:05,000 --> 05:29:12,440
And I think now that's a treasure. That's a treasure of this, and if I had a treasure like that, would I just do a,

3672
05:29:12,440 --> 05:29:17,160
if I've got it when something breaks, I fix it sort of approach. I say, no, I'd have a plan.

3673
05:29:17,160 --> 05:29:22,840
Now, I don't know that I like the $160,000 for a plan. And I'm just, I would say,

3674
05:29:22,840 --> 05:29:25,960
I think we should have a plan. We should look at it long-term.

3675
05:29:26,600 --> 05:29:32,200
Let's see if there's a way to do that, get for less money. We talked about who are the experts are.

3676
05:29:32,200 --> 05:29:39,640
And frankly, when I look down on the agenda for item 11 B on cherished loss out of those hills,

3677
05:29:39,640 --> 05:29:45,480
I'm thinking, if I were getting asking town residents to fund something to create a fund for that building

3678
05:29:45,480 --> 05:29:51,720
reserve, that's where I'd put it. And people would donate for that, I think. But I'm getting, I'm mixing

3679
05:29:51,720 --> 05:29:57,080
two subjects together. But my short message is, I like a plan that's toned, that's dialed down.

3680
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:08,000
I mean, this is the reserve that council member talked about is essentially a budgeting document.

3681
05:30:08,000 --> 05:30:16,000
So we need to say, okay, this is how much we expect to spend on each thing, each aspect of the project of the building.

3682
05:30:16,000 --> 05:30:25,000
And this is when we have budgeted for it. So whether it's, you know, termite work or whether it's a roof work or whatever.

3683
05:30:25,000 --> 05:30:30,000
Right, you, you have certain projected expenses associated with that.

3684
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:34,000
I think we're all in agreement that is a good thing.

3685
05:30:34,000 --> 05:30:41,000
So I support the master plan and I support creating this reserve budget.

3686
05:30:41,000 --> 05:30:44,000
It's a matter of how much you're going to spend on it.

3687
05:30:44,000 --> 05:30:53,000
And to me, 10K should do it because all you need is somebody to walk around like a building inspector to walk around and say, okay,

3688
05:30:53,000 --> 05:31:00,000
okay, these things need work and these things will probably need work in exures.

3689
05:31:00,000 --> 05:31:05,000
And that's it. So I don't, I think you're on the right track.

3690
05:31:05,000 --> 05:31:09,000
I just think that needs to be a zero removed somewhere.

3691
05:31:09,000 --> 05:31:11,000
So this is the direction we were looking for.

3692
05:31:11,000 --> 05:31:12,000
Perfect.

3693
05:31:12,000 --> 05:31:15,000
All right. So how are we done with that?

3694
05:31:15,000 --> 05:31:16,000
Yes.

3695
05:31:16,000 --> 05:31:17,000
Okay, great.

3696
05:31:17,000 --> 05:31:19,000
All right.

3697
05:31:20,000 --> 05:31:28,000
Next is the update on the alternative sites at our committee from Vice Mayor Tyson and myself.

3698
05:31:28,000 --> 05:31:32,000
If I could be promoted to presenter, I could share some slides.

3699
05:31:49,000 --> 05:32:13,000
Okay, I'm going to talk about we kind of introduced this a little bit last time.

3700
05:32:13,000 --> 05:32:23,000
And we can also give us some questions. We went back and looked at it some more. I'm going to let Vice Mayor Tyson kick it off.

3701
05:32:23,000 --> 05:32:32,000
Yeah, just in terms of background, I think it's important for people to realize without us sharing really too much information about the whole charter that we had.

3702
05:32:32,000 --> 05:32:34,000
And that was let's go out.

3703
05:32:34,000 --> 05:32:47,000
That's identified our souls of any interesting size and investigate property ownership and how amenable each property might be toward looking at being resumed to multifamily.

3704
05:32:47,000 --> 05:33:02,000
And we looked at things like topography distance from resources such as such as sewer and then also access to transit and I have to say one of the thing that's striking is we didn't get great response.

3705
05:33:02,000 --> 05:33:13,000
In fact, we had very limited response and and so the context of our continuing this work is we have an ongoing need to identify these sites and they're not rushing to to us.

3706
05:33:13,000 --> 05:33:30,000
So we have to find some way to how do we equalize this to and a part of it might be communication, but part of it might be some financial thing to sort of reduce that that overhead or that that barrier that keeps people from approaching us for that issue.

3707
05:33:30,000 --> 05:33:40,000
I don't know increasing the zoning of their property. So with that, I think I'll hand it back to the mayor and continue this.

3708
05:33:40,000 --> 05:33:50,000
Yeah, so just to reiterate that nobody came to us and said I want you to look at my property for our multifamily.

3709
05:33:50,000 --> 05:33:56,000
We actually went and we got lists from residents, we got lists from this the town.

3710
05:33:56,000 --> 05:34:13,000
List of vacant sites and so on sites with older homes and we went and actually talked to the owners and and we only got like a couple of people who said, yeah, I'm interested in discussing this more and now even even with that.

3711
05:34:13,000 --> 05:34:23,000
That they were that numbers also started to dwindle a little bit. So bottom line is it's really hard to find people who are willing to engage with us on this.

3712
05:34:23,000 --> 05:34:28,000
But there are like one or two.

3713
05:34:29,000 --> 05:34:43,000
So the question that we have is let's say we found somebody with was willing to have to entertain rezoning their their site their parcel.

3714
05:34:43,000 --> 05:34:48,000
What kind of support if any should the town provide?

3715
05:34:48,000 --> 05:34:57,000
And so one of the key point is if the town expense resources there needs to be a way to eventually recover those costs.

3716
05:34:57,000 --> 05:35:09,000
Or we have to get some kind of in kind benefit and the in kind benefit might be that we get you know affordable housing on that site because that's a real challenge.

3717
05:35:09,000 --> 05:35:21,000
And because you know fundamentally we don't want to do this with a large number of sites because we don't have the bandwidth to do it anyway there aren't even a large number of sites available.

3718
05:35:21,000 --> 05:35:36,000
You know we we when we're looking at candidate sites we have to look at terrain we have to look at evacuation we have to look at fire risk access availability of sewers and utilities impact of traffic.

3719
05:35:36,000 --> 05:35:47,000
All of that needs to be looked at so we have to kind of vet the sites before we can say okay we're going to maybe consider working with one of the owners on that.

3720
05:35:47,000 --> 05:35:54,000
So we have a proposed methodology that we'd like to share which is you know.

3721
05:35:54,000 --> 05:36:04,000
We recommend that the adult committee look at these candidate sites based on the factors that we just shared you know the suitability of that site.

3722
05:36:04,000 --> 05:36:10,000
And and then also share the information about that site with the housing element.

3723
05:36:10,000 --> 05:36:16,000
Implementation committee which of course is not yet formed but assuming is formed we would share it with them.

3724
05:36:16,000 --> 05:36:23,000
And then we would present the candidate site or sites to the full council of the public meeting you wanted to be a transparent process.

3725
05:36:23,000 --> 05:36:30,000
We don't want to make anybody feel like we're doing this behind you know closed doors one be completely open about it.

3726
05:36:30,000 --> 05:36:35,000
But with the neighbors being notified because then it's not transparent the people around don't know.

3727
05:36:35,000 --> 05:36:45,000
Well we would do it a public hearing how how much notification what kind of notification you want to do around that is absolutely valid question.

3728
05:36:46,000 --> 05:36:53,000
And so the council would then hear hold public hearings to get feedback on that site is a multifamily location.

3729
05:36:53,000 --> 05:36:55,000
So that's the proposed methodology.

3730
05:36:55,000 --> 05:37:04,000
So if the town decides that the site makes sense for multifamily housing the town can proceed with the rezoning.

3731
05:37:05,000 --> 05:37:15,000
Typically when when we're doing a rezoning it's up to the owner to bear the cost associated with the rezoning there's just a sort of normal process.

3732
05:37:15,000 --> 05:37:23,000
But because of housing element issues when we have to create sites for housing element we bear the cost of the rezoning.

3733
05:37:23,000 --> 05:37:37,000
So the council can elect to wave these rezoning costs and again it was only be done to a limited number of sites so the council could say we're only going to do this for two sites maybe.

3734
05:37:37,000 --> 05:37:49,000
But these sites would then become available for future housing element cycle needs and I'm going to share with you some information about future housing element cycles that I think is very important.

3735
05:37:49,000 --> 05:38:09,000
So the rezoning costs you know the the rezoning costs would be recoverable when the owner either sells the property or if they proceed with development we would say you need to pay back those rezoning costs.

3736
05:38:09,000 --> 05:38:19,000
So the town would give a waiver for the rezoning but then if if the development went forward or property was sold we would recover the costs.

3737
05:38:19,000 --> 05:38:33,000
We would also need language to recover the waived fees in the event the owner kind of walks up the aisle with us and leaves a standing at the altar and says you know I thought it was a great idea but guess what I'm not going to do it.

3738
05:38:33,000 --> 05:38:38,000
We would need to recover the cost at that point so they have to be an agreement in place.

3739
05:38:38,000 --> 05:38:51,000
So that's essentially the methodology that we're we're sir why you share with council but with that I want to share one other thing with the council that I discovered the aback meeting that I was at today.

3740
05:38:51,000 --> 05:38:58,000
And that is that the new cycle the new rena cycle is going to be pretty challenging.

3741
05:38:58,000 --> 05:39:02,000
So here are a couple of slides that were shared today.

3742
05:39:02,000 --> 05:39:18,000
In the past when each city considered the regional rate of housing like to determine whether it was affordable or or low cost they would look at rates of similar regions.

3743
05:39:19,000 --> 05:39:36,000
Going forward they're actually going to compare to the national rate which means that the what what is considered low cost be very different in you know basically be much lower.

3744
05:39:37,000 --> 05:39:51,000
And now they're actually going to include two additional tiers that were not there before before we had the low and very low income you know housing.

3745
05:39:51,000 --> 05:40:01,000
Now there's going to be an acutely low category and an extremely low category so two more categories of low income housing.

3746
05:40:01,000 --> 05:40:14,000
So what I'm trying to tell you with this is the demands of low income housing are going to increase and what is and and and the definition of low income housing is going to get.

3747
05:40:14,000 --> 05:40:22,000
Lower right so you're going to have you know even lower costs housing never going to need to provide.

3748
05:40:22,000 --> 05:40:26,000
So with that I want to throw it open to.

3749
05:40:26,000 --> 05:40:34,000
Council for any questions bring back the earlier slides.

3750
05:40:35,000 --> 05:40:38,000
How you ever going to make.

3751
05:40:38,000 --> 05:40:40,000
Building a building.

3752
05:40:40,000 --> 05:40:43,000
Possible with those kind of.

3753
05:40:43,000 --> 05:40:46,000
Low rental rates.

3754
05:40:46,000 --> 05:40:50,000
Zero to 15% you're going to charge them 200 dollars a month.

3755
05:40:50,000 --> 05:40:53,000
To move in and.

3756
05:40:53,000 --> 05:40:59,000
Who's going to build it if you don't have state the states going to have to build that that's not going to be a private development.

3757
05:41:00,000 --> 05:41:09,000
I'm just telling you what I heard today at a bag.

3758
05:41:09,000 --> 05:41:10,000
I mean.

3759
05:41:10,000 --> 05:41:14,000
This is what's coming down from each city.

3760
05:41:14,000 --> 05:41:23,000
I don't think they've been particularly concerned about how we're going to do what they're asking us to do they're just telling us what they need us to do.

3761
05:41:24,000 --> 05:41:29,000
We need a rebellion for that and it's just it's not going to work.

3762
05:41:29,000 --> 05:41:30,000
Yeah.

3763
05:41:30,000 --> 05:41:34,000
So any other questions.

3764
05:41:34,000 --> 05:41:38,000
Well, it's good to flag what's coming but there'll be many.

3765
05:41:38,000 --> 05:41:39,000
No recreation.

3766
05:41:39,000 --> 05:41:41,000
I mean there'll be many changes.

3767
05:41:41,000 --> 05:41:43,000
It's a lot many times before it's solidified.

3768
05:41:43,000 --> 05:41:48,000
So I think it's good to be a verified but I don't think we need to act on this right now.

3769
05:41:48,000 --> 05:41:55,000
Well, the question also is if we have somebody who's interested in proceeding.

3770
05:41:55,000 --> 05:42:00,000
Do we say no not right now, in which case it may not be available, you know.

3771
05:42:00,000 --> 05:42:02,000
We're seeding with what.

3772
05:42:02,000 --> 05:42:12,000
Oh, sorry with with waving fees for rezoning limited property for limited number of parcels and down.

3773
05:42:12,000 --> 05:42:13,000
That's the proposal here.

3774
05:42:13,000 --> 05:42:17,000
How much are those fees? What are we talking about in terms of numbers?

3775
05:42:18,000 --> 05:42:29,000
Yeah, it really depends on the the site, but you know roughly we've spent probably a hundred to two hundred thousand dollars on rezoning costs.

3776
05:42:29,000 --> 05:42:34,000
It depends how convinced we are because from us patterns.

3777
05:42:34,000 --> 05:42:36,000
The moment there's a public hearing.

3778
05:42:36,000 --> 05:42:39,000
We, you know, we don't follow through.

3779
05:42:39,000 --> 05:42:43,000
I mean, there has to be, I don't know.

3780
05:42:43,000 --> 05:42:50,000
It's tough. I mean, it's tough anyway, but what will happen is we give them a commitment.

3781
05:42:50,000 --> 05:42:54,000
And the rezoning costs only come in once has been approved.

3782
05:42:54,000 --> 05:42:55,000
So nothing happens.

3783
05:42:55,000 --> 05:43:00,000
So the town would wave the fees for rezoning.

3784
05:43:00,000 --> 05:43:08,000
And if the owner sold the property or developed the property, they would pay us back those fees.

3785
05:43:08,000 --> 05:43:15,000
No, and if they, if they went forward with the whole process and stop just before it got completely resumed.

3786
05:43:15,000 --> 05:43:16,000
And stay with that.

3787
05:43:16,000 --> 05:43:23,000
But because of the obstacle before that, it's having this approved in a public meeting with all the neighbors.

3788
05:43:23,000 --> 05:43:24,000
Right.

3789
05:43:24,000 --> 05:43:32,000
It gets derailed even before it gets red point and will the resident be okay being attacked by all the residents.

3790
05:43:32,000 --> 05:43:42,000
And we, we've actually discussed that with at least one owner and they have indicated they're okay with moving forward.

3791
05:43:42,000 --> 05:43:45,000
So in the event that they're okay with moving forward.

3792
05:43:45,000 --> 05:43:51,000
We've explained to them that there's going to be potentially acrimonious public hearings.

3793
05:43:51,000 --> 05:43:53,000
If it gets approved, I'll be okay with it.

3794
05:43:53,000 --> 05:43:56,000
The word is a low price to pay for, you know.

3795
05:43:56,000 --> 05:43:57,000
Here's your right.

3796
05:43:57,000 --> 05:44:02,000
We face residents issues and people are different levels of awareness.

3797
05:44:02,000 --> 05:44:15,000
And I think part of the, the wording here is to say, we're thinking long term and we're being proactive, which I hope would sell well with the housing people that are judging us in the mid cycle to say,

3798
05:44:15,000 --> 05:44:17,000
Here's something else we're doing.

3799
05:44:17,000 --> 05:44:24,000
We have the sites we need for this cycle and right now 2026 we're looking at the next cycle way before it's even set.

3800
05:44:24,000 --> 05:44:33,000
So I think we're kind of flinging out stuff people talked earlier in this meeting about being creative and trying new things and that's I think where we are to say,

3801
05:44:33,000 --> 05:44:43,000
Well, we can sit here and be moan our fate or think of what else can we do that's within our power and within our budget to at least per something and maybe that won't work.

3802
05:44:43,000 --> 05:44:46,000
But at least we know we tried something.

3803
05:44:46,000 --> 05:45:00,000
The real question is what are the financial impacts from the Sacramento mandates or if I don't know if these are mandates yet or they're proposing.

3804
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:07,720
However, there are going to be significant financial impacts. And I was wondering if anybody

3805
05:45:07,720 --> 05:45:18,320
mentioned no unfunded mandates at all. Because I could see that it's going to be really

3806
05:45:18,320 --> 05:45:25,600
difficult to develop these types of buildings. And there she has some of you just give the land

3807
05:45:25,600 --> 05:45:28,200
and the building, not just the land.

3808
05:45:28,200 --> 05:45:37,200
Well, the the town doesn't build. So we can only resume. And, you know, at the end of the day,

3809
05:45:37,200 --> 05:45:45,560
the the viability of a site or building affordable housing is an economic decision

3810
05:45:45,560 --> 05:45:54,920
that's out of our hands. So, you know, all we can do is follow the state law to make

3811
05:45:54,920 --> 05:46:00,760
available sites, identify sites and say these are the sites we've identified. We resound them.

3812
05:46:00,760 --> 05:46:07,160
And they're available for multifamily housing. What's on my mind is that we may need to issue

3813
05:46:07,160 --> 05:46:14,520
bonds as a town. Because we don't have enough money for the infrastructure for the sewer systems.

3814
05:46:14,520 --> 05:46:22,200
We don't have it for the roads. We don't have it to grade. We don't have it in the properties that

3815
05:46:22,200 --> 05:46:28,920
we have in town. We don't even we can't even get the land. So actually the criteria that we're talking

3816
05:46:28,920 --> 05:46:37,960
about here, we would be looking at things like availability of sewer evacuation, you know, the

3817
05:46:37,960 --> 05:46:45,160
ability of the road in that area to handle traffic and so on. So those would be criteria that we would

3818
05:46:45,240 --> 05:46:52,840
use. And in fact, you know, we are looking at those kinds of criteria. So that we only bring

3819
05:46:52,840 --> 05:47:00,680
sites to the council that pass those screens. Right? Really difficult. Yes, it is. That's why we need

3820
05:47:00,680 --> 05:47:06,840
the town as well. That's why we've only been able to find one or two of these. Yeah. But can

3821
05:47:06,840 --> 05:47:13,960
ask, how do you resume if you don't know what your housing requirements are? Do you resume at a 20

3822
05:47:13,960 --> 05:47:22,280
unit sprayer or 40 or 60 or 80? You know, how do you resume it if you don't know what your

3823
05:47:23,000 --> 05:47:31,080
rezoning for? I would assume that you could resume based on today's criteria and, you know,

3824
05:47:31,080 --> 05:47:39,320
when the new housing element comes along, you can change it. But at least you've locked in a site

3825
05:47:39,400 --> 05:47:46,920
now from a family housing. But if the residents agree, if the owner agrees, the residents are

3826
05:47:46,920 --> 05:47:54,120
around agree, that's just do it. I mean, $200 if all that goes through and it gets approved.

3827
05:47:55,160 --> 05:48:01,480
You know, I don't think there's going to be a grand slam here. I think it's going to be a range of

3828
05:48:01,480 --> 05:48:08,440
options. And so your question about not knowing how many it's going to be is a fair one. But I think

3829
05:48:08,520 --> 05:48:16,840
that relates to who are in charge of making sure we retain a certain character of this town

3830
05:48:17,560 --> 05:48:22,840
would say, well, whatever it is, we're not going to build 80 units to an acre, no matter what. And so

3831
05:48:22,840 --> 05:48:29,960
it's going to be how many sites do we need of this type to get to whatever number that is? So that number,

3832
05:48:30,920 --> 05:48:36,760
I think doesn't approach effect our approach nearly as much as our sense of what have we got now

3833
05:48:36,760 --> 05:48:44,600
in terms of say 16 to 24 per acre and how far can we take that? Yeah. I think what we're looking for is

3834
05:48:44,600 --> 05:48:51,960
a decision from the council about whether we can engage with a couple of such

3835
05:48:52,840 --> 05:48:58,840
property owners in town under the criteria that we've laid out. In other words,

3836
05:49:00,040 --> 05:49:05,880
they're on board. We would take it to the housing element implementation committee. We would bring it to

3837
05:49:05,880 --> 05:49:13,160
council. We would send out notifications to residents to neighbors and we would proceed with a possible

3838
05:49:13,160 --> 05:49:21,080
rezoning. And if after the council, after the public council meeting council says yes, we should go ahead

3839
05:49:21,080 --> 05:49:33,800
with this because it meets various criteria. Then we would proceed with a fee ever and with the recovery

3840
05:49:33,880 --> 05:49:39,960
options that I mentioned earlier. So what we're looking for from the council is whether we should

3841
05:49:40,600 --> 05:49:47,800
proceed with the owner owners that we have talked to so far on this basis. But if you

3842
05:49:47,800 --> 05:49:56,440
reason say for 20 units per acre and then we find we need 40 and you go back and you've said you've got to pull

3843
05:49:56,520 --> 05:50:01,240
a scab off again and go to all those residents that they will, you know,

3844
05:50:01,960 --> 05:50:07,400
but thought about before. I think I think the point earlier, I think that's about a point. But here's the thing

3845
05:50:08,360 --> 05:50:15,960
right now for the next housing cycle, we have nothing in terms of a new site. And what we're trying to do

3846
05:50:15,960 --> 05:50:23,000
is be proactive and find additional sites. So the problem of, as you were describing in dripping off the scab,

3847
05:50:23,640 --> 05:50:31,880
it's probably not as painful as as then trying to figure out if we still have availability of

3848
05:50:31,880 --> 05:50:37,560
those sites or not. It's kind of one of those strike while the iron is hard situations. If we have a

3849
05:50:37,560 --> 05:50:45,240
couple of people right now who say we're willing to reason should we use that or should we just sit back

3850
05:50:45,240 --> 05:50:50,840
and hope that maybe they'll be around in two years. That's the, that's the question.

3851
05:50:53,000 --> 05:51:01,640
I could just add one comment to just to remind the council when we went through the last housing

3852
05:51:01,640 --> 05:51:07,000
element cycle. One of the criteria that HCD looks at is the willingness of the property owner

3853
05:51:07,640 --> 05:51:15,000
to be a participant in this. And so this program also does bring forward potentially willing

3854
05:51:15,000 --> 05:51:19,320
property owners. It doesn't mean that there will be community consensus. You might have community

3855
05:51:19,320 --> 05:51:25,240
opposition. You might not decide to do it, but but this kind of program does also address one of the

3856
05:51:25,240 --> 05:51:32,200
issues that is of importance to HCD that you have property owner involvement and support for the change.

3857
05:51:36,840 --> 05:51:43,000
So I don't know if we should entertain a motion on this or just get council direction. I would

3858
05:51:43,000 --> 05:51:50,760
entertain a motion to if the council's desires to give the ad hoc committee the authority to

3859
05:51:50,760 --> 05:51:58,920
proceed with what you're seeing on the screen today. And there should be some council should give some

3860
05:51:58,920 --> 05:52:04,520
initial direction to the initial budget authority that you do that. So if you wanted to say up to $200,000

3861
05:52:04,520 --> 05:52:13,640
or something like that, you could do that as well. Okay. So I move. All right, we get a second,

3862
05:52:13,640 --> 05:52:20,840
second. All right. Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swine. Did you need public comment?

3863
05:52:20,840 --> 05:52:27,480
Oops. You can take. Sorry. Yeah. You should take public comment. Yes. Sorry. I'm the time of

3864
05:52:28,120 --> 05:52:35,080
that. Sorry. Sorry. I was hoping up public comment. Yeah, forget it. And to go speaking as a

3865
05:52:35,080 --> 05:52:42,920
private citizen, but you can beat our records to be honest with you. No, this is I feel like the housing

3866
05:52:42,920 --> 05:52:49,160
element implementation committee. That's what this is supposed to be about bringing it with them. I mean,

3867
05:52:49,160 --> 05:52:55,320
I know you're trying to strike a deal, but you know, if you act too quickly, you can end up in the

3868
05:52:55,320 --> 05:53:01,640
Sims dilemma that we were last year going through this whole development agreement and everything else.

3869
05:53:02,600 --> 05:53:07,240
I think you need to proceed cautiously. And you have a few different viable options through

3870
05:53:07,640 --> 05:53:13,960
between the friends of the hills. You get your cherished LAH. You've got the housing element,

3871
05:53:13,960 --> 05:53:18,760
an implementation committee that needs to get up and running. And I know you've got great candidates.

3872
05:53:18,840 --> 05:53:26,600
Just do it. Get them going. But for you to start negotiating ahead of even giving the public

3873
05:53:26,600 --> 05:53:32,840
committee's a chance. But we're actually sorry. We're actually not negotiating. We're just engaging

3874
05:53:32,840 --> 05:53:40,600
with owners and the ideas that we would then bring. Once we have vetted the owners. Well, you're talking

3875
05:53:40,600 --> 05:53:45,960
money and you're talking. No, we're not negotiating. No, no, we're not talking about it. Sorry,

3876
05:53:45,960 --> 05:53:52,120
Mr. Nicole, let me explain. We would just have a conversation with the owner and say, are you

3877
05:53:52,120 --> 05:53:56,840
interested? They say yes. We would take it at the housing element implementation committee, which is exactly

3878
05:53:56,840 --> 05:54:03,640
what you said. We would not spend a dime yet. We would then bring it to council. Have a public meeting,

3879
05:54:03,640 --> 05:54:09,720
assuming everybody's on board with that. And then we'd send notification to the neighbors. And at that

3880
05:54:09,720 --> 05:54:17,960
point, if the public meeting, the council says votes to go ahead, that's when we would start spending money.

3881
05:54:19,240 --> 05:54:24,840
Okay, I just want to make sure that you include all the powers that be that want to be helpful in this.

3882
05:54:25,560 --> 05:54:30,360
And I know you're trying to strike that. I don't know where it's hot, but that comes with a lot of

3883
05:54:30,360 --> 05:54:35,160
well, they're welcome. I mean, certainly, we would go with the with the town committee,

3884
05:54:35,960 --> 05:54:39,160
the housing element implementation committee is a recognized town committee. So,

3885
05:54:40,520 --> 05:54:46,280
recognized body of the town. We will engage with them and the friends of the hills or anybody else

3886
05:54:46,280 --> 05:54:53,320
is welcome to participate in public process. Again, if you're having a dialogue, I think Brigitte

3887
05:54:53,320 --> 05:54:58,040
brings up a very important point. The council made a decision that the council's subcommittee

3888
05:54:58,040 --> 05:55:04,280
would no longer be negotiating of doing this. It would be the residents of the town. I think we should

3889
05:55:04,280 --> 05:55:10,440
stop doing all of this. I think let's form it. Absolutely. We formed a committee,

3890
05:55:10,440 --> 05:55:15,000
appoint the members, let them do it. We said clearly, this should not be by the council,

3891
05:55:15,000 --> 05:55:19,880
this should be by the people for the people of the people of the people. I think we're taking control and

3892
05:55:19,880 --> 05:55:27,880
power. We're actually, we're all we're doing. Mr. Tanka is, all we're doing is asking,

3893
05:55:28,920 --> 05:55:34,040
asking property owners if they have an interest in this. But I think that's overreaching.

3894
05:55:34,040 --> 05:55:38,760
I think this is going to be my opinion, your opinion. My opinion is it's overreaching.

3895
05:55:38,760 --> 05:55:43,160
Just to ask them if they have an interest. Yes, because you made a decision that going forward is

3896
05:55:43,160 --> 05:55:49,560
would not be the subcommittee because the residents were upset. They didn't like the fact that

3897
05:55:49,560 --> 05:55:55,720
subcommittee was going ahead and doing this and excluding them. They wanted this to be something. Let me

3898
05:55:55,720 --> 05:56:01,880
finish. They said this, they wanted this to be something that the residents of the town decide

3899
05:56:01,880 --> 05:56:09,000
and explore for themselves and we decided to back out of it saying, yes, because anything we do

3900
05:56:09,000 --> 05:56:13,800
will be looked upon in a different light. So when the residents of this town

3901
05:56:14,680 --> 05:56:20,200
identified the properties, reach out to the owners, come to us and say, hey, how about giving this

3902
05:56:20,200 --> 05:56:26,360
the concessions? I think it will go down better than us bringing all of this to my opinion. And you know,

3903
05:56:26,840 --> 05:56:34,440
you know, my opinion, Carita is nothing will happen. Nothing will happen. And I will tell you

3904
05:56:34,440 --> 05:56:38,840
from having an experience. The residents will do it. Nothing will happen if you do it. I mean, I don't

3905
05:56:38,840 --> 05:56:46,520
think this is the decision that council need. So I mean, I fear who represents, who represents

3906
05:56:46,520 --> 05:56:53,320
the town and the interests. I mean, part of this will be a driving, let's face it, property owner is going

3907
05:56:53,320 --> 05:57:01,400
to face some tension with neighbors, which they may care about more or less. They also stand to have

3908
05:57:01,400 --> 05:57:10,680
a benefit in the value of their property through all of this. And for them to get to that point, though,

3909
05:57:11,560 --> 05:57:18,360
I think there needs to be more than just a town citizens calling up and saying, hey, you're interested

3910
05:57:18,360 --> 05:57:23,560
in doing this. So I will say from having been involved with this process, there is a certain

3911
05:57:23,560 --> 05:57:29,000
involvement to having somebody with some authority in the town. In other words, the subcommittee,

3912
05:57:29,000 --> 05:57:35,000
which you're saying shouldn't be doing things like this to go say, we, this would really help the town,

3913
05:57:35,000 --> 05:57:40,920
can we engage in a conversation? I think you're going to get that response and you're not going to get it from

3914
05:57:41,080 --> 05:57:45,880
subcommittee. There's a point that come back and tell us this, that hey, it's not working.

3915
05:57:45,880 --> 05:57:50,200
Maybe we need a council member to work with us because we also want your planning commissioner.

3916
05:57:52,040 --> 05:57:57,320
Thank you. That's finished. Sorry, let's finish the public comment. I'm sorry for interrupting.

3917
05:57:57,320 --> 05:58:02,280
No, no, I just had just one question there. Because I feel like if you're starting an engagement of a

3918
05:58:02,280 --> 05:58:08,440
conversation with somebody like a coal call, you know, either you can make a break it just for that first

3919
05:58:08,520 --> 05:58:14,040
initial meeting. And that's the part that I'm concerned about. Is that in first initial contact

3920
05:58:14,040 --> 05:58:21,320
point, can make a break? And I don't have an answer for you on that one. But I feel like you're already

3921
05:58:21,320 --> 05:58:26,600
bypassing the housing and implementation you're going to need. And I'll just leave it at that. It's late.

3922
05:58:26,600 --> 05:58:32,520
I'm trying to think clearly here for you, but just word a caution. That's all I'm saying. Next.

3923
05:58:39,080 --> 05:58:46,360
I think the two parties may not be understanding one another. I think what you're trying to say is

3924
05:58:46,360 --> 05:58:55,160
you're going to offer to this, to this property owner, the fact that you're going to wave the

3925
05:58:56,680 --> 05:59:05,640
internal internal fees. If the project is going to go forward, it's not that this,

3926
05:59:06,440 --> 05:59:14,280
these, the stuff that they add to our committee is promising to do that without the acceptance

3927
05:59:14,280 --> 05:59:21,160
of the of the town. What they're saying is, if you're going to proceed forward, the terms are going

3928
05:59:21,160 --> 05:59:27,960
to be that assuming this other committee finds this property acceptable and advisable to have the

3929
05:59:27,960 --> 05:59:33,240
development there, that will wave your fee. And that's the inducement to try and get the property

3930
05:59:33,240 --> 05:59:38,920
owner to want to come to want to come forward. They're not promising that the ad hoc committee

3931
05:59:38,920 --> 05:59:43,960
isn't promising that the project is going to go forward. They're just saying, if the project goes forward

3932
05:59:44,520 --> 05:59:49,160
that this is the, this is the, this is the concession that we're going to make. And the only thing I

3933
05:59:49,160 --> 05:59:56,920
guess I would add is, is, can we put any conditions on it? Because one of the concerns, of course, we have is that

3934
05:59:56,920 --> 06:00:00,120
they're going to overdevelop the property. So I don't know whether,

3935
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:11,000
If you stick to the 20 units per acre, then we'll provide this concession assuming the committee finds

3936
06:00:11,000 --> 06:00:16,000
this property to be an acceptable property. So I'm just concerned, you may not be talking.

3937
06:00:16,000 --> 06:00:19,000
And maybe I'm, maybe I'm misunderstood.

3938
06:00:19,000 --> 06:00:22,000
I can respond to it once you finish the comments.

3939
06:00:22,000 --> 06:00:24,000
I don't have a problem with that.

3940
06:00:24,000 --> 06:00:27,000
If we have public calling, anybody online?

3941
06:00:27,000 --> 06:00:28,000
No, Mayor.

3942
06:00:28,000 --> 06:00:29,000
All right. Go ahead.

3943
06:00:29,000 --> 06:00:32,000
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

3944
06:00:32,000 --> 06:00:38,000
My concern is the feedback we got from residents in the past has been that the subcommittee

3945
06:00:38,000 --> 06:00:40,000
has taken over this thing.

3946
06:00:40,000 --> 06:00:43,000
We would like this to come from the committee.

3947
06:00:43,000 --> 06:00:45,000
The committee should be doing all of this.

3948
06:00:45,000 --> 06:00:49,000
And again, when we do that, they might eventually come to the same conclusion.

3949
06:00:49,000 --> 06:00:55,000
But when we you start as a subcommittee of the council starts spearheading it, the open ourselves to suspicion.

3950
06:00:55,000 --> 06:00:56,000
Yeah.

3951
06:00:56,000 --> 06:00:57,000
That's my concern.

3952
06:00:57,000 --> 06:01:03,000
I hear your concern, but I believe you're conflating two very different things.

3953
06:01:03,000 --> 06:01:13,000
The residents did not appreciate it when the town engaged with the owner of Twin Oaks without public disclosure.

3954
06:01:13,000 --> 06:01:19,000
The residents also had concerns when council member Mark and I were in negotiations.

3955
06:01:19,000 --> 06:01:23,000
Even though we were very transparent with the public about it.

3956
06:01:23,000 --> 06:01:30,000
When the fact that we were negotiating, I think was something that the residents were concerned about.

3957
06:01:30,000 --> 06:01:33,000
We are not talking about negotiating now.

3958
06:01:33,000 --> 06:01:41,000
We're talking about identifying a candidate and bringing that candidate to the housing element implementation committee.

3959
06:01:41,000 --> 06:01:42,000
And that's it.

3960
06:01:43,000 --> 06:01:46,000
So does it really not get to identify them too?

3961
06:01:46,000 --> 06:01:49,000
The committees welcome to identify additional properties.

3962
06:01:49,000 --> 06:01:50,000
We're not getting in the way of that.

3963
06:01:50,000 --> 06:01:55,000
We're just saying, we've already identified a couple of candidates.

3964
06:01:55,000 --> 06:02:01,000
And we would like to bring those to the housing element implementation committee and say, look, here's an owner.

3965
06:02:01,000 --> 06:02:03,000
Here's where the property is.

3966
06:02:03,000 --> 06:02:06,000
This is what it looks like, these are the utilities.

3967
06:02:06,000 --> 06:02:09,000
Why don't you guys give us your input on it?

3968
06:02:09,000 --> 06:02:11,000
And that comes to council.

3969
06:02:11,000 --> 06:02:13,000
Then you have a public hearing.

3970
06:02:13,000 --> 06:02:17,000
So all of the all the ad hoc committees doing is saying.

3971
06:02:17,000 --> 06:02:20,000
Here's an owner who is interested.

3972
06:02:20,000 --> 06:02:23,000
That's all ad hoc committee would do.

3973
06:02:23,000 --> 06:02:26,000
And I don't see any underhandedness.

3974
06:02:26,000 --> 06:02:30,000
I don't see any lack of disclosure or anything with that.

3975
06:02:30,000 --> 06:02:33,000
The moment that the owner says, yes, I want to talk.

3976
06:02:33,000 --> 06:02:36,000
It goes to the housing implementation committee.

3977
06:02:36,000 --> 06:02:37,000
So I don't see it.

3978
06:02:37,000 --> 06:02:39,000
I don't see it the way you do it.

3979
06:02:39,000 --> 06:02:41,000
I just see it because perceptions.

3980
06:02:41,000 --> 06:02:46,000
I know that that committee that we appoint is going to get all right up.

3981
06:02:46,000 --> 06:02:48,000
It's already a point in.

3982
06:02:48,000 --> 06:02:50,000
We've already engaged.

3983
06:02:50,000 --> 06:02:53,000
Nobody has come forward and said, this is a terrible thing.

3984
06:02:53,000 --> 06:02:54,000
And the next.

3985
06:02:54,000 --> 06:02:58,000
All that if you told me that you already pointed a committee, you already.

3986
06:02:58,000 --> 06:03:00,000
We already have an ad hoc committee.

3987
06:03:00,000 --> 06:03:04,000
It was appointed committee's ad hoc committee's appointed.

3988
06:03:04,000 --> 06:03:07,000
That's what George and I are presenting to you.

3989
06:03:07,000 --> 06:03:09,000
No, no, I'm talking about the commission.

3990
06:03:09,000 --> 06:03:11,000
She's talking about the standing committee that we haven't appointed.

3991
06:03:11,000 --> 06:03:12,000
Talk about that.

3992
06:03:12,000 --> 06:03:14,000
What is your concern about that?

3993
06:03:14,000 --> 06:03:16,000
I just said.

3994
06:03:16,000 --> 06:03:20,000
We said the residents came to us and said there was a decision to be made last time.

3995
06:03:20,000 --> 06:03:24,000
Well, we have a committee of the council that will do all of this work.

3996
06:03:24,000 --> 06:03:29,000
Or will we have a committee of residents with the planning commission that will do the work.

3997
06:03:29,000 --> 06:03:34,000
A decision was made that we will have a committee of residents with the planning commission.

3998
06:03:34,000 --> 06:03:36,000
Who will do this work?

3999
06:03:36,000 --> 06:03:42,000
So when the subcommittee of the council starts getting re-engaged and bringing things to them.

4000
06:03:42,000 --> 06:03:46,000
My belief is that it will change their perception.

4001
06:03:46,000 --> 06:03:52,000
Well, I don't agree with that because all we're saying is here's a person who is interested in rezoning.

4002
06:03:52,000 --> 06:03:56,000
And you know, they're open to it.

4003
06:03:56,000 --> 06:03:57,000
And that's it.

4004
06:03:57,000 --> 06:04:02,000
So if people are suspicious at that level, we've got bigger problems.

4005
06:04:02,000 --> 06:04:05,000
So I don't see the same concern.

4006
06:04:05,000 --> 06:04:13,000
So I think I think to to Mr. Madison's point, we need a decision from the council.

4007
06:04:13,000 --> 06:04:20,000
Whether we should move forward and identify these property owners and bring them to the housing element implementation committee.

4008
06:04:20,000 --> 06:04:24,000
Or whether you want us to sort of quit.

4009
06:04:24,000 --> 06:04:28,000
My recommendation is we bring them.

4010
06:04:28,000 --> 06:04:33,000
You know, we bring them because they're going to give us additional sites.

4011
06:04:33,000 --> 06:04:35,000
Okay, we have a process.

4012
06:04:35,000 --> 06:04:41,000
The process is going to take multiple steps a lot of time.

4013
06:04:41,000 --> 06:04:51,000
And I think that there needs to be like a pipeline of people who have these properties to go to the implementation committee.

4014
06:04:51,000 --> 06:04:53,000
And if that's all you're doing.

4015
06:04:53,000 --> 06:04:59,000
I think I'm okay with that because we're not going to stop the process because we don't have the committee.

4016
06:04:59,000 --> 06:05:04,000
What we'll do is we'll lose the time and we don't have that much time.

4017
06:05:04,000 --> 06:05:09,000
Basically, I suggest we have a motion and a second.

4018
06:05:09,000 --> 06:05:12,000
And also, let's face it.

4019
06:05:12,000 --> 06:05:14,000
I said before, there's no silver bullet.

4020
06:05:14,000 --> 06:05:15,000
This may not work.

4021
06:05:15,000 --> 06:05:19,000
Let's let's keep trying other things to as we go.

4022
06:05:19,000 --> 06:05:27,000
But let's let's not sit here and be moan our our situation and say someday I hope some way will come up with a solution.

4023
06:05:27,000 --> 06:05:29,000
Here is an approach.

4024
06:05:29,000 --> 06:05:33,000
I think let's give it a try and that's why I seconded it.

4025
06:05:33,000 --> 06:05:35,000
All right.

4026
06:05:35,000 --> 06:05:37,000
Why me was a motion.

4027
06:05:37,000 --> 06:05:40,000
I made the motion.

4028
06:05:40,000 --> 06:05:41,000
I still move.

4029
06:05:41,000 --> 06:05:43,000
It was a second.

4030
06:05:43,000 --> 06:05:45,000
And then it was this.

4031
06:05:45,000 --> 06:05:49,000
This slide with 200,000 dollars.

4032
06:05:49,000 --> 06:05:50,000
Okay.

4033
06:05:50,000 --> 06:05:53,000
Well, 200,000 dollars.

4034
06:05:53,000 --> 06:05:54,000
All right.

4035
06:05:54,000 --> 06:05:56,000
So that's the motion and we have a second.

4036
06:05:57,000 --> 06:05:58,000
Yes.

4037
06:05:58,000 --> 06:05:59,000
Yes.

4038
06:05:59,000 --> 06:06:00,000
No.

4039
06:06:00,000 --> 06:06:01,000
I'm sorry.

4040
06:06:01,000 --> 06:06:03,000
Finish public comment.

4041
06:06:07,000 --> 06:06:08,000
I'm sorry.

4042
06:06:08,000 --> 06:06:09,000
We cannot hear you, Muscatly.

4043
06:06:09,000 --> 06:06:11,000
Would you like to come to the microphone?

4044
06:06:14,000 --> 06:06:18,000
Mayer, if I made that the council's action is simply establishing a budget.

4045
06:06:18,000 --> 06:06:19,000
Yes.

4046
06:06:19,000 --> 06:06:20,000
It's not.

4047
06:06:20,000 --> 06:06:23,000
It's not spending anything.

4048
06:06:27,000 --> 06:06:45,000
We heard a lot about the budget today and we're under budget and all of a sudden we have a council that's doing this is a volunteer.

4049
06:06:45,000 --> 06:06:48,000
You are pay also.

4050
06:06:48,000 --> 06:06:53,000
And now why are we spending $200,000.

4051
06:06:54,000 --> 06:06:56,000
So I think the.

4052
06:06:56,000 --> 06:06:59,000
Tell me about the housing element funds.

4053
06:06:59,000 --> 06:07:01,000
Where did those come from?

4054
06:07:05,000 --> 06:07:06,000
Operation.

4055
06:07:06,000 --> 06:07:07,000
Yeah.

4056
06:07:07,000 --> 06:07:09,000
So it was in previous buses.

4057
06:07:09,000 --> 06:07:12,000
A budget cycles part of a standing CIP.

4058
06:07:12,000 --> 06:07:14,000
But that has never been concluded now.

4059
06:07:14,000 --> 06:07:15,000
It's an operational budget.

4060
06:07:15,000 --> 06:07:18,000
So you would look into the planning department to see the expenses for that.

4061
06:07:18,000 --> 06:07:22,000
And we don't have anything planned or how much do we plan for the consultant.

4062
06:07:23,000 --> 06:07:27,000
Yeah, there's nothing in that kind of budget cycle.

4063
06:07:27,000 --> 06:07:34,000
So this is also not money that we're actually spending its resources that we're spending right.

4064
06:07:34,000 --> 06:07:36,000
So we're saying.

4065
06:07:36,000 --> 06:07:38,000
If, in fact, what would happen is if the.

4066
06:07:38,000 --> 06:07:39,000
If the.

4067
06:07:39,000 --> 06:07:44,000
Canada would come forward if the council were to agree to move forward that particular property.

4068
06:07:44,000 --> 06:07:51,000
And and the and the candidates said the the owner said yes we would proceed spending the resources.

4069
06:07:51,000 --> 06:07:58,000
And then if they backed out we would recover those dollars corresponding those resources.

4070
06:07:58,000 --> 06:08:01,000
Yes, and all of that wouldn't come into play until the project is approved.

4071
06:08:01,000 --> 06:08:03,000
So you still go through your public hearing.

4072
06:08:03,000 --> 06:08:07,000
Right. All of that in the council takes the motion at that point where it has the go ahead.

4073
06:08:07,000 --> 06:08:09,000
That's where the money starts to be.

4074
06:08:09,000 --> 06:08:13,000
So we're not even right now we're not even talking about a dollar figure.

4075
06:08:13,000 --> 06:08:18,000
We're just talking about a process to identify these candidates and bring them to the housing element and

4076
06:08:19,000 --> 06:08:21,000
So I don't think.

4077
06:08:21,000 --> 06:08:23,000
Mr. Senator city attorney.

4078
06:08:23,000 --> 06:08:26,000
I don't know that we have a budget issue here.

4079
06:08:26,000 --> 06:08:30,000
I think we're just talking about a process for the adult committee to.

4080
06:08:30,000 --> 06:08:34,000
Bring candidates to the housing implementation housing element implementation committee.

4081
06:08:34,000 --> 06:08:37,000
That that that's fine. If the if the council watches to.

4082
06:08:37,000 --> 06:08:42,000
If the motion maker in the second wish to remove the reference to the 200,000.

4083
06:08:42,000 --> 06:08:54,000
I agree with Cody and and Jay about the and and the mayor with regards to the allocation of staff resources, but ultimately, like if you consider a zoning amendment, you have to do a publish notice.

4084
06:08:54,000 --> 06:08:56,000
So that there will be some modest costs.

4085
06:08:56,000 --> 06:08:57,000
Right.

4086
06:08:57,000 --> 06:09:00,000
That's a direct cost that's associated, but that can be decided.

4087
06:09:00,000 --> 06:09:02,000
That's part of a future budget discussion.

4088
06:09:02,000 --> 06:09:03,000
All right.

4089
06:09:03,000 --> 06:09:06,000
So we have a motion in the second.

4090
06:09:06,000 --> 06:09:09,000
I agree to that change.

4091
06:09:09,000 --> 06:09:11,000
It was a change to the motion.

4092
06:09:11,000 --> 06:09:14,000
We're not putting the $200,000 number rates.

4093
06:09:14,000 --> 06:09:15,000
Correct.

4094
06:09:15,000 --> 06:09:18,000
Okay. And Stan, you need to agree to that change to as the motion maker.

4095
06:09:18,000 --> 06:09:19,000
I did.

4096
06:09:19,000 --> 06:09:20,000
Okay. Thank you.

4097
06:09:20,000 --> 06:09:22,000
Amanda and I agree to that.

4098
06:09:22,000 --> 06:09:24,000
And that is the motion.

4099
06:09:24,000 --> 06:09:25,000
Okay.

4100
06:09:25,000 --> 06:09:26,000
Council member Mark.

4101
06:09:26,000 --> 06:09:27,000
Yes.

4102
06:09:27,000 --> 06:09:28,000
Council member swine.

4103
06:09:28,000 --> 06:09:29,000
No.

4104
06:09:29,000 --> 06:09:30,000
Council member Tanka.

4105
06:09:30,000 --> 06:09:31,000
No.

4106
06:09:31,000 --> 06:09:32,000
Vice Mayor Tyson.

4107
06:09:32,000 --> 06:09:33,000
Yes.

4108
06:09:33,000 --> 06:09:34,000
Mayor Patasia.

4109
06:09:34,000 --> 06:09:35,000
Yes.

4110
06:09:35,000 --> 06:09:36,000
The motion passes.

4111
06:09:36,000 --> 06:09:37,000
Thank you.

4112
06:09:37,000 --> 06:09:39,000
Can we take a five minute break.

4113
06:09:39,000 --> 06:09:40,000
Sure.

4114
06:09:41,000 --> 06:09:51,000
Okay.

4115
06:09:51,000 --> 06:09:54,000
Okay. We're back on the record.

4116
06:09:54,000 --> 06:09:59,000
And moving on to item nine B.

4117
06:09:59,000 --> 06:10:10,000
So are our same dual of Vice Mayor Tyson and myself.

4118
06:10:10,000 --> 06:10:18,000
We're on a ad hoc committee to work on.

4119
06:10:18,000 --> 06:10:19,000
Service for the town.

4120
06:10:19,000 --> 06:10:22,000
So we've been working with town staff.

4121
06:10:22,000 --> 06:10:24,000
And we've actually come up.

4122
06:10:24,000 --> 06:10:28,000
We've worked together and developed a survey of 20 questions.

4123
06:10:28,000 --> 06:10:33,000
That pertain to planning and building experience in town.

4124
06:10:33,000 --> 06:10:35,000
And we don't have to go through all 20 questions.

4125
06:10:35,000 --> 06:10:37,000
I just want to give you a rough idea here.

4126
06:10:37,000 --> 06:10:39,000
We'll kind of project where you're doing.

4127
06:10:39,000 --> 06:10:43,000
When did you start this planning or permitting process.

4128
06:10:43,000 --> 06:10:50,000
You know, did you require site development permit or a variance or anything special like that planning commission hearing.

4129
06:10:50,000 --> 06:10:56,000
We ask about the experience with the town's planning and building process.

4130
06:10:56,000 --> 06:10:59,000
For the easy to understand how to submit a complete application.

4131
06:10:59,000 --> 06:11:01,000
So on.

4132
06:11:01,000 --> 06:11:04,000
What channels of communication you used.

4133
06:11:04,000 --> 06:11:08,000
You know, what stages your project act.

4134
06:11:08,000 --> 06:11:12,000
How long did this permitting process take.

4135
06:11:12,000 --> 06:11:15,000
What would with the requirements clear.

4136
06:11:15,000 --> 06:11:18,000
And so on a bunch of questions like that.

4137
06:11:18,000 --> 06:11:26,000
We asked for what aspect do you think needs improvement, including those that don't need any improvement.

4138
06:11:26,000 --> 06:11:27,000
And so on.

4139
06:11:27,000 --> 06:11:30,000
So about 20 questions altogether in the last one.

4140
06:11:30,000 --> 06:11:33,000
I'll ask a couple of them is what what was your role in the project.

4141
06:11:33,000 --> 06:11:36,000
Would you be willing to be contacted.

4142
06:11:36,000 --> 06:11:40,000
And if so, how and and that's pretty much the survey.

4143
06:11:40,000 --> 06:11:49,000
So this has been reviewed by the city manager by the community development director and we've worked on it.

4144
06:11:49,000 --> 06:11:51,000
We think it's ready to go.

4145
06:11:51,000 --> 06:11:57,000
So the city manager would would take the survey and send it out to residents.

4146
06:11:57,000 --> 06:12:00,000
We compile the data and bring it back to council.

4147
06:12:00,000 --> 06:12:01,000
That's the plan.

4148
06:12:01,000 --> 06:12:05,000
But we're not looking for any definitive approval.

4149
06:12:05,000 --> 06:12:13,000
But we're certainly open to comments and feedback.

4150
06:12:13,000 --> 06:12:16,000
Just a common will be low costs.

4151
06:12:16,000 --> 06:12:19,000
We're proposing full forms.

4152
06:12:19,000 --> 06:12:21,000
Advertising through the weekly.

4153
06:12:21,000 --> 06:12:23,000
Normal streams.

4154
06:12:23,000 --> 06:12:25,000
So we're keeping it economical.

4155
06:12:25,000 --> 06:12:27,000
Yeah.

4156
06:12:27,000 --> 06:12:29,000
Okay.

4157
06:12:29,000 --> 06:12:30,000
It's good.

4158
06:12:30,000 --> 06:12:31,000
All right.

4159
06:12:31,000 --> 06:12:33,000
That's the end of that item.

4160
06:12:37,000 --> 06:12:38,000
In talking.

4161
06:12:38,000 --> 06:12:39,000
Let's see.

4162
06:12:39,000 --> 06:12:45,000
We should go on to staff reports.

4163
06:12:45,000 --> 06:12:46,000
The city attorney.

4164
06:12:46,000 --> 06:12:48,000
Nothing to report, Mayor.

4165
06:12:48,000 --> 06:12:50,000
City clerk.

4166
06:12:50,000 --> 06:12:52,000
Just to quick update.

4167
06:12:53,000 --> 06:12:57,000
The next general municipal election will be held on Tuesday, November 3rd,

4168
06:12:57,000 --> 06:13:00,000
2026 to elect two city council members.

4169
06:13:00,000 --> 06:13:03,000
Each to four year terms.

4170
06:13:03,000 --> 06:13:07,000
The election period begins with the nomination period.

4171
06:13:07,000 --> 06:13:10,000
And the nomination packets can be picked up at town hall.

4172
06:13:10,000 --> 06:13:13,000
Between the days of July 13, 2026.

4173
06:13:13,000 --> 06:13:20,000
And the election qualifying period will close on Friday, August 7, 2026.

4174
06:13:21,000 --> 06:13:25,000
You can make an appointment with me by email, by call, however you want.

4175
06:13:25,000 --> 06:13:26,000
And we can set that up.

4176
06:13:26,000 --> 06:13:30,000
If you need any help with any questions, we are happy to help set those

4177
06:13:30,000 --> 06:13:35,000
appointments up as well as well as we extended the period for the housing

4178
06:13:35,000 --> 06:13:39,000
element implementation committee to August the 12th.

4179
06:13:39,000 --> 06:13:40,000
I think August the 13th.

4180
06:13:40,000 --> 06:13:43,000
So if you're interested in that committee.

4181
06:13:43,000 --> 06:13:44,000
Please fill out an application.

4182
06:13:44,000 --> 06:13:46,000
If you have questions, we're happy to help you.

4183
06:13:47,000 --> 06:13:53,000
But if we could just just any applicants, we're happy to help.

4184
06:13:53,000 --> 06:13:55,000
Thank you.

4185
06:13:55,000 --> 06:13:58,000
Mr. Bradford.

4186
06:13:58,000 --> 06:14:00,000
Thank you, Mayor.

4187
06:14:00,000 --> 06:14:04,000
I wanted to report and you heard a preview of this earlier.

4188
06:14:04,000 --> 06:14:07,000
We were going through the budget conversation.

4189
06:14:07,000 --> 06:14:12,000
The town has been recruiting for an assistant planner.

4190
06:14:12,000 --> 06:14:14,000
We've made an offer to an individual.

4191
06:14:14,000 --> 06:14:15,000
They've accepted it.

4192
06:14:15,000 --> 06:14:17,000
And they're going through background right now.

4193
06:14:17,000 --> 06:14:20,000
As I also was previewed.

4194
06:14:20,000 --> 06:14:23,000
We are recruiting for a principal planner position.

4195
06:14:23,000 --> 06:14:27,000
And then one of the other milestones I wanted to acknowledge here is more

4196
06:14:27,000 --> 06:14:32,000
that our our team has been doing as it relates to annual reports.

4197
06:14:32,000 --> 06:14:36,000
Certainly the council is aware of the general plan and the housing

4198
06:14:36,000 --> 06:14:37,000
plan.

4199
06:14:37,000 --> 06:14:44,000
We've also done reporting for solar for we low for the Department of Finance and also

4200
06:14:44,000 --> 06:14:45,000
for the census.

4201
06:14:45,000 --> 06:14:51,000
So I wanted to give you a total of how many hours of reporting that we've done for this year.

4202
06:14:51,000 --> 06:14:53,000
But it's a substantial amount.

4203
06:14:53,000 --> 06:15:00,000
And it's the last report for this year, which we're very happy to be able to move on to some other more.

4204
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:13,520
Thank you. Mr. Liu. So we welcome the new summer intern, Emily Zhang. She's a studying business economics

4205
06:15:13,520 --> 06:15:17,760
at New York University and she's been supporting the finance appointments through reconciliation,

4206
06:15:17,760 --> 06:15:23,280
audit and budget prep, compliance reporting and financial records management. We also preparing for

4207
06:15:23,280 --> 06:15:28,640
an annual audit with final field work scheduled in October. And then thank you for your supporting

4208
06:15:28,640 --> 06:15:33,760
the budget process. The printed budget books will be published and provided the council as well as

4209
06:15:33,760 --> 06:15:40,400
posted online over the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Thank you. I see we have a public work

4210
06:15:40,400 --> 06:15:46,160
structure online. I'm actually going to be giving that report. Okay. So for public works,

4211
06:15:46,160 --> 06:15:52,720
the first item is the summer health pathways program project. And back in February, the town submitted

4212
06:15:52,720 --> 06:15:58,320
an ADA memorandum to the county rows and airports requesting an exception to those requirements

4213
06:15:58,320 --> 06:16:03,520
for the pathways on summer Hill. And we just did not receive a response, but thanks to

4214
06:16:04,400 --> 06:16:10,000
council member Tyson reaching out to the county. We did get a response finally this week and they said

4215
06:16:10,000 --> 06:16:15,200
that the ADA requirements could not be waived. Now we were the justification, additional comments

4216
06:16:15,200 --> 06:16:22,400
behind that we are waiting for their formal response and with more pushing, we got a commitment that

4217
06:16:22,400 --> 06:16:26,960
they're going to give the full explanation by June 26. So I believe that's next week.

4218
06:16:28,240 --> 06:16:33,040
As for the heritage house, we have set a date for the ribbon cutting of the heritage house. It's going to be

4219
06:16:33,040 --> 06:16:38,080
on August 19th from 3 to 5 p.m. I believe we confirmed availability and set out some calendar

4220
06:16:38,080 --> 06:16:44,000
invites and we're now going to be advertising it on the city manager's weekly and update about the

4221
06:16:44,000 --> 06:16:53,200
Parks and Recreation remodel project. Yes, yes, staff is continually working with M designs and they're

4222
06:16:53,200 --> 06:16:59,120
going through and developing concepts right now or aiming to go to committees either in August or

4223
06:16:59,120 --> 06:17:06,800
September with conceptual designs for that building. Switching now over to the city manager's report,

4224
06:17:07,920 --> 06:17:12,640
I wanted to give an update on the private security patrol RFP that it was being conducted

4225
06:17:12,640 --> 06:17:19,920
over the last two months. The town had solicited bids from private security companies in the area.

4226
06:17:19,920 --> 06:17:26,800
We got five responses to our RFP. I formed a small committee of a panel to conduct those interviews of

4227
06:17:26,800 --> 06:17:32,400
neighborhood watch leaders, a person from the HOA in the quarry, just really active people that

4228
06:17:33,040 --> 06:17:38,000
were had to interest in the private security patrols. And what we really found was

4229
06:17:38,240 --> 06:17:45,520
there's no one doing what we are asking for the here in Los Alto's Hills. We were hoping to see if

4230
06:17:45,520 --> 06:17:51,440
there were the vendor out there that had the experience patrolling a vat like nine square miles. It's something

4231
06:17:51,440 --> 06:17:58,000
equivalent land territory of what we are asking for a palli-american do do here and no one's doing that.

4232
06:17:58,000 --> 06:18:04,080
And so we've decided to work with palli-american extent their contract for three months until September 30th.

4233
06:18:04,480 --> 06:18:09,600
Not increased the budget. There was available funds. I just extend the term of the contract

4234
06:18:09,600 --> 06:18:16,800
and try to work and fine-tune those issues of how to optimize the routes, include more reporting,

4235
06:18:17,360 --> 06:18:24,000
have GPS location for all the officers, all of those things that have been identified over the past few

4236
06:18:24,000 --> 06:18:31,040
years of palli-american. So we're committed to work with them. So you can anticipate, I would say at the

4237
06:18:31,040 --> 06:18:36,080
September City Council meeting either a decision to extend with palli-american or we're going to be pivoting

4238
06:18:36,080 --> 06:18:42,560
to another company. We'll provide rationale at that time. I was requested to give an update about the

4239
06:18:42,560 --> 06:18:48,160
speed feedback signs for just as a reminder some of the locations that we had the existing signs were on

4240
06:18:48,160 --> 06:18:54,480
Roblita, Altamont, Alena, Moody and Prisma, different locations. But since we've I last gave my report,

4241
06:18:54,480 --> 06:19:00,800
we've gone resident feedback that there are other roads such as Ninoela and other portions of Altamont

4242
06:19:00,800 --> 06:19:06,480
that really needed to have some help. So we moved the sign around to a few more additional locations,

4243
06:19:06,480 --> 06:19:12,080
and that's where we saw the most improvement on those new locations. So Altamont near Padre Court

4244
06:19:12,080 --> 06:19:18,000
and the location on Manuela. Other than that, the findings from the data of the speed signs is a

4245
06:19:18,000 --> 06:19:24,960
remaining stat. It has an improved or decreased and so we're going to continue to monitor it and I could come back

4246
06:19:24,960 --> 06:19:30,720
later with more information on that. A quick note about the Sheriff's contract as noted before

4247
06:19:30,720 --> 06:19:37,360
we have engaged with Vasquez and company to kick off their overhead assessment and the three

4248
06:19:37,360 --> 06:19:44,160
contract cities as of last night have all approved of the extension. It was all the same. Saratoga was on their

4249
06:19:44,160 --> 06:19:49,840
meeting last night. So this morning we all submitted our extension. The county has it and also now the

4250
06:19:49,840 --> 06:19:56,800
three contract cities, legal teams are meeting with Vasquez as well as we're meeting with the county.

4251
06:19:56,800 --> 06:20:02,640
So there's several reoccurring meetings now happening within this 12 week extension that was just implemented.

4252
06:20:03,360 --> 06:20:08,800
The last piece I wanted to talk about was the sound study. So I did say that we engage with the sound study

4253
06:20:08,800 --> 06:20:14,080
and through Genesis as the company that was conducting it and this was a project of the EPRC.

4254
06:20:14,720 --> 06:20:21,840
We got a first round submission of the sound study. They looked at 17 locations and gave their first pass

4255
06:20:22,800 --> 06:20:29,520
where the town could consider placing those audible alerts and working with now a subcommittee of the EPRC.

4256
06:20:29,520 --> 06:20:34,800
We're going to fine tune that with a nods that 17 is going to be financially infeasible to do all at once.

4257
06:20:34,800 --> 06:20:43,760
So they're going to be fine tuning that and coming together with a potentially a request for one or two locations and the specific prioritization of where we should look first.

4258
06:20:44,960 --> 06:20:46,960
And that concludes my report.

4259
06:20:47,920 --> 06:20:49,520
Okay, thank you very much.

4260
06:20:50,880 --> 06:20:53,120
Now I'm going to council initiative items.

4261
06:20:53,920 --> 06:21:01,840
So I've been talking with we get a lot of requests. This is item 118. We get a lot of requests for

4262
06:21:01,840 --> 06:21:07,520
proclamations and I was talking with the city manager and we thought we should ask the council.

4263
06:21:08,240 --> 06:21:20,160
If there is a approach or a policy that we should use in deciding whether or which items to use proclamations for.

4264
06:21:20,160 --> 06:21:26,080
Are there any kind of criteria that we should use and we may or may not want to do that but so if we should discuss that.

4265
06:21:27,280 --> 06:21:34,720
And to add more clarity there is a current policy what the is two step. As soon as we were not following is where every proclamation is first

4266
06:21:34,720 --> 06:21:41,280
first to come to the council and then the council as a whole approves it and then at the following meeting is put on that agenda.

4267
06:21:42,880 --> 06:21:46,800
Yes, and that was what it was a put into the agenda packet.

4268
06:22:05,040 --> 06:22:25,600
The information in advance I think is just way overboard and you have proclamations are okay for boy scouts eagle and golden eagle words but no girl scouts awards are allowed and it's not to be.

4269
06:22:26,800 --> 06:22:29,280
No, it's not included in what is allowed so.

4270
06:22:30,240 --> 06:22:51,840
Girl scouts are not are out of the picture is not to be used for celebration or events that are not local or regional in nature we just did one for us it was not that 250 vaniversy is not local it's a it's a nationwide thing so if we're going to use that it needs to be totally revamped because it's totally out of date.

4271
06:22:52,400 --> 06:22:59,280
Totally useless as far as I'm concerned I would rather just throw it out and just keep going like we have been.

4272
06:23:02,880 --> 06:23:03,360
And Mike.

4273
06:23:04,640 --> 06:23:10,640
We can agenda is it for discussion because this is just it seems that we can just stop to come back with a proposal.

4274
06:23:10,640 --> 06:23:16,560
Yeah, but he need to give them direction. Yeah, in terms of do we want only local to be on local and national.

4275
06:23:17,520 --> 06:23:21,840
Yeah, I didn't come forward with the recommendation I didn't want to provide a little bit of clarity.

4276
06:23:21,840 --> 06:23:41,200
I think you're only looking at the resolution portion our policy also has commendations and under eagle scouts it does say young men and women who are residents of the town of Los Atos Hills who become Eagle scouts or golden arrow scouts may be recognized by the town through a certificate of commendation so our policy splits it up into.

4277
06:23:41,200 --> 06:23:46,800
Proclonations come commendations and commemorations so there's three different sections.

4278
06:23:46,800 --> 06:23:48,720
Girls never become Eagle scouts.

4279
06:23:48,720 --> 06:23:51,840
Yeah, they do. What do you have to do? Oh, that's new. That's new. Okay.

4280
06:23:51,840 --> 06:23:57,840
It's been new for a while. It's been a while. Well, they combine with Boy Scouts but that's a Boy Scouts turn anyway.

4281
06:23:57,840 --> 06:24:02,480
It's called Scouts now. It's not like what Boy Scouts. So they finally the.

4282
06:24:03,440 --> 06:24:10,880
The barriers broken. Yeah, but anyway, and we just did one for national events, you know, that's it.

4283
06:24:10,880 --> 06:24:16,720
So I think I think to council member Tancos point, let's agenda is it.

4284
06:24:16,720 --> 06:24:30,560
With this recommendation and then we'll discuss that in the August meeting. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't want to underdo it. I don't want to overdo it.

4285
06:24:31,520 --> 06:24:46,240
Okay. And so I think so having some winnowing process because I believe right now all it takes is one council member goes in and approaches somebody next thing. You know, there's a proclamation in front of us and I think that comes from and then we could get dozens of them.

4286
06:24:46,240 --> 06:24:52,960
We definitely need to be a little more thoughtful and selective. And I think it's a great intern bench marking project.

4287
06:24:52,960 --> 06:24:54,800
All right. Oh, yeah.

4288
06:24:54,960 --> 06:25:05,520
Right. Okay. Moving on to item 11B. I have to give council member Mark credit for this. He is the one

4289
06:25:05,520 --> 06:25:14,320
came up with this idea of the at least he was the one told me about this idea that we should form a non profit for the town to enable some of our

4290
06:25:14,400 --> 06:25:27,600
wealthy residents to contribute to town to various town goals or needs. And so I just did what you said should be done.

4291
06:25:28,880 --> 06:25:39,280
Along with a couple other residents. And so let me just share with you. We formed this organization called cherished

4292
06:25:39,280 --> 06:25:54,480
Los Altos Hills. And it's say it's an IRS 501 C3. It's an nonprofit. And you know, we have initiatives around safety around preserving our environment and so on.

4293
06:25:55,200 --> 06:26:06,880
I'll give you a little bit more detail on that. These are the current officers. I think you know the first two may may not know Dominic grow. He's on the finance investment committee.

4294
06:26:07,360 --> 06:26:14,240
And then this is sort of our stated purpose. Let me bring that up.

4295
06:26:19,840 --> 06:26:26,800
This is what we consider we are our purpose is to promote public safety, wildlife preparedness,

4296
06:26:26,800 --> 06:26:32,160
environmental stewardship, community development, infrastructure improvements, social quality of life

4297
06:26:32,160 --> 06:26:39,040
technology for the benefit of the town of Los Altos Hills. So the idea is that,

4298
06:26:40,160 --> 06:26:47,200
you know, residents could donate. They could earmark their donation for certain purposes. Like somebody could say,

4299
06:26:47,200 --> 06:26:55,600
I want to donate, you know, this money for improvements to western bar or I want to

4300
06:26:55,600 --> 06:27:02,480
contribute towards the new parks and Rick building or or whatever, right? So they could donate from a tax

4301
06:27:03,200 --> 06:27:13,440
preferred tax exempt account. Like if they have a donor account, I think what are those called

4302
06:27:13,440 --> 06:27:23,440
donor documents. Thank you. Or 401k. They could donate from that in a tax preferred manner and the

4303
06:27:23,440 --> 06:27:30,240
organization would keep those funds give them to the town for that purpose as well in the town needed it

4304
06:27:30,880 --> 06:27:36,800
or the organization might do something on its own. So one of the things that one of the thoughts we have

4305
06:27:38,480 --> 06:27:46,080
the one meeting that I was in town that had more residents than any other meeting ever

4306
06:27:47,040 --> 06:27:56,160
was the one that talked about rodents mice in the house. That was the most widely attended meeting

4307
06:27:56,160 --> 06:28:05,680
in town. So one of the ideas is to get a deal on all boxes and make those available to residents

4308
06:28:05,680 --> 06:28:13,600
because that's a good environmentally safe way to address the problem. So that's one of the ideas.

4309
06:28:13,680 --> 06:28:21,040
Another idea might be that we might collect funds to provide for additional private security

4310
06:28:21,680 --> 06:28:28,640
because as I think we all know we don't get 100% coverage over the course of the year and so if we could

4311
06:28:28,640 --> 06:28:34,800
buttress that with a little more private security donated by residents that would be a good thing. So these are

4312
06:28:34,800 --> 06:28:41,280
some examples where we're not, this is still early days, we haven't yet sort of formed up what we will and won't

4313
06:28:41,360 --> 06:28:46,080
do but the ideas to collect these funds will make them available for the benefit of the town.

4314
06:28:46,640 --> 06:28:55,760
So I just wanted to share that with the council. Thank you. We really appreciate that that's probably

4315
06:28:55,760 --> 06:29:04,000
one of the best things that you've done for the town period. Just make sure you have a test ID number if we do

4316
06:29:04,000 --> 06:29:12,480
and a second early IRA contributions come into that really well and also appreciate it's stock.

4317
06:29:12,480 --> 06:29:20,160
Right. Which might be a little bit of that in town. Maybe a little bit but I need some from my

4318
06:29:20,160 --> 06:29:25,760
pickle box horse. Just to let you know. Thank you. All right. Sorry little you have a question.

4319
06:29:25,760 --> 06:29:31,760
I think it's a great idea. Thank you for getting this through. But I have a question on who decides

4320
06:29:31,840 --> 06:29:37,120
what projects get supported. Does it go to the town council and the town council decides or you have

4321
06:29:37,120 --> 06:29:44,560
a board of evaluates projects. So there are a couple different ways we haven't yet thought that through

4322
06:29:45,120 --> 06:29:51,040
to speak totally transparent. The ideas that have come forth on that are of course if people

4323
06:29:51,040 --> 06:29:57,200
designate the fund for certain purpose would be used for that. If they say I'm just going to give you

4324
06:29:57,200 --> 06:29:59,920
a donation and trust you to use it.

4325
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:29,000
We, there are a couple of different ways we could go. One is we could see, you know, what the public sentiment is. We could do a survey and say, you know, we have these funds, here are some possibilities. What do you, what do you prefer? Another way might be, you know, that we, if we, we may at some point have an advisory board, you know, we'll kind of probably people who are willing to donate.

4326
06:30:29,000 --> 06:30:37,000
They might say, you know, be, for example, if somebody said, well, I want, I really want to have a more community space in town.

4327
06:30:37,000 --> 06:30:44,000
And I'm willing to donate funds for you to buy a property in your town hall or somewhere else in town and build a community center.

4328
06:30:44,000 --> 06:30:50,000
This is very ambitious, but was giving you a kind of an idea on the other in the spectrum.

4329
06:30:50,000 --> 06:30:57,000
Cost a little bit point in the old boxes, but those are the kinds of things we might do.

4330
06:30:57,000 --> 06:31:04,000
But it's all centered around what's good for the town. What's what's the benefit of the residents?

4331
06:31:04,000 --> 06:31:12,000
Well, I want to apply to your efforts, I see that this could turn into a really great thing having been involved with nonprofits.

4332
06:31:12,000 --> 06:31:18,000
I hope you're thinking ahead to what kind of tax forms you need to file and who will manage that.

4333
06:31:18,000 --> 06:31:21,000
We've got some people with experience with that.

4334
06:31:21,000 --> 06:31:29,000
I should tell you, we haven't yet cashed a check for this, but we have gotten already a commitment for $100,000.

4335
06:31:29,000 --> 06:31:31,000
That's awesome. That's amazing.

4336
06:31:31,000 --> 06:31:32,000
That's really nice.

4337
06:31:32,000 --> 06:31:34,000
Way to go.

4338
06:31:34,000 --> 06:31:39,000
So that's all I have on that.

4339
06:31:39,000 --> 06:31:45,000
I think that brings us to the, okay, sorry.

4340
06:31:45,000 --> 06:32:02,000
Okay, I got to find the email on this.

4341
06:32:02,000 --> 06:32:06,000
Let's bear with me a moment.

4342
06:32:06,000 --> 06:32:12,000
Were you bringing up a presentation?

4343
06:32:12,000 --> 06:32:22,000
I'm trying to find the letter that we got requesting the letter support.

4344
06:32:22,000 --> 06:32:29,000
If it's at all helpful, I do have the letter that's proposed to send that I could share on the screen.

4345
06:32:29,000 --> 06:32:31,000
Okay. Go ahead.

4346
06:32:31,000 --> 06:32:36,000
Okay.

4347
06:32:37,000 --> 06:32:42,000
Yes.

4348
06:32:42,000 --> 06:32:49,000
Right. So I got an email from Alex Reep of openspace.org.

4349
06:32:49,000 --> 06:32:58,000
And the, the gentleman said that they're looking to get a letter of support for midmen's wildfire.

4350
06:32:58,000 --> 06:33:05,000
Well, I'm sorry, wildlandfire fuels reduction project in the cold creek openspace preserve.

4351
06:33:05,000 --> 06:33:09,000
And make a long history short.

4352
06:33:09,000 --> 06:33:18,000
They're looking for a letter of support to do that field reduction project in the cold creek area.

4353
06:33:18,000 --> 06:33:24,000
So who's jurisdiction is that?

4354
06:33:24,000 --> 06:33:25,000
County. Okay.

4355
06:33:25,000 --> 06:33:31,000
Because midfins been doing this on their land already.

4356
06:33:31,000 --> 06:33:38,000
So I guess the question is, is Council okay with sending the letter of support for that?

4357
06:33:38,000 --> 06:33:49,000
I can share the email that I got if you want to.

4358
06:33:49,000 --> 06:33:53,000
What my short answer is yes, this is very much like what we're doing within our own territory.

4359
06:33:53,000 --> 06:33:59,000
Right. So this was the, is the government affairs specialist at midmen.

4360
06:33:59,000 --> 06:34:07,000
And wants to see if we could support there efforts in the cold creek area.

4361
06:34:07,000 --> 06:34:09,000
Cold creek openspace preserve.

4362
06:34:09,000 --> 06:34:13,000
I, I'd support it there very experienced doing this kind of work.

4363
06:34:13,000 --> 06:34:15,000
So I think it would be good.

4364
06:34:15,000 --> 06:34:18,000
Do we need a vote? Motion.

4365
06:34:18,000 --> 06:34:19,000
Equino.

4366
06:34:19,000 --> 06:34:21,000
That would be fine.

4367
06:34:21,000 --> 06:34:22,000
All right.

4368
06:34:22,000 --> 06:34:28,000
So I would move that Council authorize a letter of support for this purpose.

4369
06:34:28,000 --> 06:34:29,000
Second.

4370
06:34:29,000 --> 06:34:30,000
Okay.

4371
06:34:30,000 --> 06:34:31,000
Are we going to vote?

4372
06:34:31,000 --> 06:34:33,000
Council member Mark.

4373
06:34:33,000 --> 06:34:34,000
Yes.

4374
06:34:34,000 --> 06:34:35,000
Council member Swine. Yes.

4375
06:34:35,000 --> 06:34:36,000
Council member Tonka.

4376
06:34:36,000 --> 06:34:38,000
Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes.

4377
06:34:38,000 --> 06:34:39,000
Mayor Petija. Yes.

4378
06:34:39,000 --> 06:34:40,000
Thank you.

4379
06:34:40,000 --> 06:34:41,000
Thank you.

4380
06:34:41,000 --> 06:34:44,000
That brings us to the very last item.

4381
06:34:44,000 --> 06:34:49,000
To have our, our vice mayor in waiting.

4382
06:34:49,000 --> 06:34:51,000
Sworn in as vice mayor.

4383
06:34:51,000 --> 06:34:54,000
I want to start by thanking.

4384
06:34:55,000 --> 06:34:57,000
Vice Mayor Tyson.

4385
06:34:57,000 --> 06:35:00,000
For is is.

4386
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:06,000
Great service and I've really enjoyed working closely with you as vice mayor.

4387
06:35:06,000 --> 06:35:10,000
You've been a source of.

4388
06:35:10,000 --> 06:35:13,000
You know, good advice and council and I appreciate that.

4389
06:35:13,000 --> 06:35:15,000
You know, it's been really nice to work with.

4390
06:35:15,000 --> 06:35:18,000
So thank you for that and with that.

4391
06:35:18,000 --> 06:35:21,000
We'd like to get your sword and I believe you have somebody here to,

4392
06:35:22,000 --> 06:35:23,000
thank you for everyone.

4393
06:35:23,000 --> 06:35:24,000
And you never would agree to it.

4394
06:35:24,000 --> 06:35:25,000
If you know, not time at once.

4395
06:35:25,000 --> 06:35:27,000
Thanks.

4396
06:35:27,000 --> 06:35:29,000
When we,

4397
06:35:29,000 --> 06:35:31,000
Sworn 15 list of records at the longest.

4398
06:35:31,000 --> 06:35:33,000
That's why,

4399
06:35:33,000 --> 06:35:35,000
but we've got a good one.

4400
06:35:35,000 --> 06:35:36,000
It's all,

4401
06:35:36,000 --> 06:35:37,000
Okay.

4402
06:35:37,000 --> 06:35:38,000
And now it goes until 2.

4403
06:35:38,000 --> 06:35:39,000
I've been here.

4404
06:35:41,000 --> 06:35:42,000
If all.

4405
06:35:46,000 --> 06:35:47,000
Okay.

4406
06:35:47,000 --> 06:35:50,000
Okay.

4407
06:36:20,000 --> 06:36:22,720
against all enemy sworn domestic.

4408
06:36:22,720 --> 06:36:25,520
If it's all enemy sworn and domestic,

4409
06:36:25,520 --> 06:36:29,200
I will bear two faith negligence.

4410
06:36:29,200 --> 06:36:31,920
Then I will bear two faith negligence.

4411
06:36:31,920 --> 06:36:34,560
To the Constitution, the United States.

4412
06:36:34,560 --> 06:36:37,040
To the Constitution, the United States.

4413
06:36:37,040 --> 06:36:39,680
And the Constitution, the State of California.

4414
06:36:39,680 --> 06:36:44,800
And the Constitution and the State of California.

4415
06:36:44,800 --> 06:36:48,160
I will take this obligation freely.

4416
06:36:48,160 --> 06:36:52,800
I will take this obligation freely without any mental reservation.

4417
06:36:52,800 --> 06:36:54,000
For purpose.

4418
06:36:54,000 --> 06:36:56,720
That being meant for all of those organizations and our purpose.

4419
06:36:56,720 --> 06:36:57,760
Of occasion.

4420
06:36:57,760 --> 06:36:58,720
But it is.

4421
06:36:58,720 --> 06:37:00,560
Now I will, well.

4422
06:37:00,560 --> 06:37:01,760
And faithfully.

4423
06:37:01,760 --> 06:37:04,560
And I will, well, be faithfully.

4424
06:37:04,560 --> 06:37:07,120
The judge, the duties of the office.

4425
06:37:07,120 --> 06:37:10,480
This guy is the duties of the office of councilmember.

4426
06:37:10,480 --> 06:37:13,760
A councilmember upon which I will talk to you.

4427
06:37:13,760 --> 06:37:19,440
You're not ready to dance, do you have one?

4428
06:37:19,440 --> 06:37:20,720
No, okay.

4429
06:37:20,720 --> 06:37:23,920
I'll find who it's I'm about to get.

4430
06:37:23,920 --> 06:37:29,040
I'm going to ask you one last time.

4431
06:37:29,040 --> 06:37:36,320
I'm going to ask you one last time.

4432
06:37:36,320 --> 06:37:38,320
I'm going to ask you one last time.

4433
06:37:38,320 --> 06:37:42,320
I'm going to ask you one last time.

4434
06:37:42,800 --> 06:37:46,640
I'm going to ask you one last time.

4435
06:37:46,640 --> 06:37:48,000
All right.

4436
06:37:48,000 --> 06:37:49,840
Congratulations, Linda.

4437
06:37:49,840 --> 06:37:51,840
Provise me.

4438
06:37:51,840 --> 06:37:55,440
And with that we will adjourn.

4439
06:37:55,440 --> 06:37:57,440
Wow.

4440
06:37:57,440 --> 06:37:59,440
Oh, we didn't make it to one.

4441
06:37:59,440 --> 06:38:01,440
Oh.

4442
06:38:01,440 --> 06:38:04,880
We did a couple of them.