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All right, welcome everybody.

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>> Welcome everyone. I'd like to call this

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meeting to order.

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So, let's start with roll call.

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Veronica,

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» Council Member Walter,

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>> I present.

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>> Council member Hasco,

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>> I present. [laughter]

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>> Council member Flynn,

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>> present.

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>> Vice Mayor Hufty,

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>> present.

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>> Mayor Taylor,

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>> present.

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>> We have a quorum. Great. Thank you.

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All right. So, the first thing on the

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agenda is presentations and

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proclamation. And our first proclamation

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is for Ethan Radford um and his

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appointment to the United States Naval

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Academy. So, unfortunately, well,

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fortunately for him, but um

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unfortunately for us, Ethan is on his

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way to the Naval Academy, so he cannot

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be here this evening. Um but we have

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siblings here that are going to

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basically accept it on his behalf. So,

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we have

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a beautiful proclamation. And normally

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what we do with these is we ask you to

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come up and the council comes up and we

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all take a big picture and then we'll

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send you the picture and then you can

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tell Ethan like you have a proclamation.

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He'll come back at Christmas or

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something. You can give it to him. So,

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okay. So, why don't we all just stand up

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here and

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» did you confirm that the that it is

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class of class of 2026?

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>> Classic.

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» Maybe I can just say as we're sitting

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this proclamation

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council.

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>> Sure.

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>> Oh uh I happened to go to Sam Licardo's

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uh presentation of his candidates at the

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Mafood field because we were discussing

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the safety element and whether we

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actually had and it was in our own

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response hanger. So I got to see where

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our response team is which I thought was

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very interesting. And then by God there

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we had our own person who got

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acknowledged with their very own name

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and I was so excited to have a real

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reason and a real representative. So

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thank you very much.

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>> Gave me a reason to go.

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» All right. So with that let's move move

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on to 3B which is a presentation from

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Sano County Mosquito and Vector Control

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District.

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We can we even have electricity here.

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>> Wherever you like it. Where where you

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comfortable. Either either place.

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Wherever.

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>> I can see the screen from here.

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>> Oh yeah. No problem.

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Yeah. So I'm Brian Weber. I'm the

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district manager at Sontel County

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Mosquito.

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I just want to thank the council for uh

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honoring mosquito control awareness week

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with us. We really appreciate it.

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» I have to say getting into the Naval

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Academy is not easy. That was a really

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impressive feat. So,

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ceremony, too. It was fun.

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>> Oh, is that right? Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Who knew that California could do

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that kind of stuff?

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so do I just say next slide? Okay, we'll

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go to the next slide. So, um I only have

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five slides. Uh real quickly, I think

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one of the important things about us

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coming and talking to you all is um so

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you're aware of our services. Uh, I was

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just telling your board representative,

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Robert, that I think one of the biggest

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things that we're always trying to do at

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these type of events and um all of our

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outreach efforts is just understand that

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the public knows we exist. That's number

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one. And that they can call us for any

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one of these services. That's that's one

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of the most important things. We're the

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experts in the county and we want your

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residents to reach out to us. Um, so I'm

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going to go down this list and just

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briefly describe

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um how we deploy these services. So

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mosquito control, believe it or not,

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we're one of the oldest organized

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mosquito control districts in the

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country. So we've been operating for

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about um almost 120 years. And uh it

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started when people wanted of course to

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develop the peninsula and they hired a

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professor from Berkeley who came over

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and came up with an integrated program

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uh to treat the mosquito larvae in what

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was um the salt marsh. So I think the

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biggest thing is um to have the council

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aware is we do in-house testing of

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mosquitoes for Westnile virus. Uh that

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is the only virus currently of concern

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in the Bay Area. there. Not too long

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ago, there was a lot talked about of

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deni and Zika virus, things like that,

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uh, that were in the media, but as it

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currently stands, we do not have those

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mosquitoes in Sano County. Uh, long

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story, we had them back in 2015, but we were able to gain eradication status.

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species called 80s Egypt eye, uh, they

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are in Santa Clara County and some of

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our surrounding counties. They do a

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great job at living uh and proliferating

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around people. So, we would expect that

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they're going to be back uh sometime

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soon. Uh mosquito fish. So, we breed

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mosquito fish on site. We have a rearing

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facility. Uh our mosquito fish, they

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only go into man-made containers, but

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residents can call us. They can either

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stop by the district and pick up a bag

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of fish like you would with a goldfish

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at a uh at a pet store or they can call

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the district and all our response time

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there over 20 years. I can't think of a

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time where we weren't able to respond in

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one business day. So, um they can call

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we can drop the mosquito fish into those

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man-made containers, ornamental ponds.

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a little fountain so um they can tell us

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the size of the feature and we even will

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um uh some homeowners they're not able

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to take care of their swimming pool

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anymore. We'll also put fish into the swimming pool and they reproduce on

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their own and they eat all the mosquito

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larvae. It avoids us having to use uh

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residents, uh, anyone can bring an

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insect or email, uh, an insect, no

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matter what type, to the district and

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we'll identify it for them. If it's an

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insect of public health significance,

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um, then we'll come out to the

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resident's home and do an inspection and

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advise them on how to get rid of those

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insects. We we're not going to do the

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control work like as we would mosquito

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control. However, um we'll advise them

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often give them a report if it's rodent

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or or raccoon skunk related and they can

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take that road map to a pest control

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operator or even do the work themselves

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that they need to do. Most of our

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residents in Santo County hire a pest

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control operator. But um in the instance

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of say our rodent inspections, we advise

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the homeowners on um our biggest thing

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is there are rodents in Sonteo County.

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concern is when they're getting into

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your living space. And so what our staff

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does is they go out and they recommend

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areas in your home that you need to fix

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or uh or shore up, put a put it put a

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new screen on. We'll give um just like

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with the insect ID, we'll give a roadmap

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on what to fix to keep rodents out of

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your house permanently. If they want to

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call a pest control operator following

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that, uh we'll actually come out and

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inspect the pest control operator's work

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to make sure that they did an

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appropriate job. Uh sometimes we'll even

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work with the pest control operator.

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we we'll ensure that they did an

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appropriate job. And you know everything

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we recommend does not involve the use of

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Yellow jacket control. You'll see on the

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next slide that um of the service calls

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we get in Portola Valley the biggest

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ones we get is for yellow jacket

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control. So yellow jackets 99% of the

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control work we do are the ground

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nesting yellow jackets. And I know you

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all have them here. You probably have

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the little traps up. But um if you know

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where the hole is in the ground, then

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we'll come out and we'll either

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depending on the situation, we'll either

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put a treatment in the ground or we'll

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dig it up and remove it all together.

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Community education, I spoke a little

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bit about that and in a moment I'll talk

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about our open house. It's occurring

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this Saturday. And um disease

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surveillance. So I talked about we do

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have a laboratory that can do in-house

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testing for Westnile virus. We also test

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for Lyme disease and um of the ticks we

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collect in Sontel County, the Lyme

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disease prevalence is about 1 to 3%.

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Okay. And just uh briefly, there was a

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note at the bottom that obviously we're

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paid for by uh by taxes, but there is no

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additional charge for us to come out.

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So, you know, um there are houses we've

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been to 10 times in a in a year. So um

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it we always tell if you have one of

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these problems please call us. So thank

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you. Next slide.

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So this is uh 2025 snapshot for Portola

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Valley and considering so we have uh

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we're approaching 200 service requests

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and what these numbers tell me

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considering they're only 45 you know

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approximately 4,500 residents is that

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the the town residents are well educated

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and aware of our services and we always

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know we could be we'd uh be doing better

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but um so we had 177 service requests

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you can see of those were just for

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yellow jackets as I spoke about 51 for

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rodent requests. So um you know mosquito

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service requests pretty small. So, as

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you can tell in this um in your town

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anyway, uh the bigger issues are people

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calling out rod ends. And I know you all

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have done a lot of work um with um with

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how you approach rodent control in the

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town. And so maybe some of that uh also

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prompted people to call us and look at

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alternative approaches instead of

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putting bait out there. That could also

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be happening. But um site inspections,

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those are water. So, our staff uses a

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geospatial database. Site inspections

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are associated with water sources that

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we know have already produced mosquitoes

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in the past. We keep those in a database

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till they're gone or dried out or

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removed. So, it could be anything from

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an impounded area like a a willow forest

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that is seasonal or a um a bucket in a

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resident's backyard. So that that's the spectrum of everything that we'll

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inspect and work with the homeowner on

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remove. But um in 2025, our technician

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visited uh 839 properties in Portola

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Valley.

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And one of the positive things, no

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Westnile virus positive.

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Next slide. Okay. And as I said, the the

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biggest reason that we're here and um in

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any way that the town can help out is

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just getting residents to call us if

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they're getting mosquito bites. Um once we know someone has received a

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mosquito bite, we come out to the

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property and we'll talk to the

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neighboring residents. What what we're

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doing is looking for the water source

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and trying to eliminate it. So, um

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that's that's exactly what we do. Our

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technicians take the time, inspect the

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neighboring properties and work with the

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homeowners to either um eliminate the

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standing water or treat it. Next slide.

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And again, this just I already mentioned

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a lot of this, but reporting dead birds

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is is big. Um, one of the ways that we

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are um that that we identify Westnile

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virus in an area is when someone calls

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in a dead bird. And um what we'll often

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do, we'll test the dead bird. If it's

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appropriate for testing inhouse, if it's

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positive for Westnile virus, we'll come

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out and set traps in that area

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overnight, collect those mosquitoes and

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test them for Westnau virus. If it's if

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those mosquitoes are positive for

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Westnau virus, that's when we have to

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determine whether we would do an adult

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treatment. We haven't done one in over

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five years, but it does happen. And and

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what that would mean is there's adult

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mosquitoes flying around with with

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active virus. If they bit someone, they

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could transmit that disease. Um I talked

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about people dumping standing water.

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That's a list of you know breeding sites that we find on

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residential properties. Next slide.

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And I talked about our open house. Um, I

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think anyone who comes out would be

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pleasantly surprised, believe it or not.

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I know it probably doesn't sound like

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the most exciting thing to do is come to

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a mosquito district, but there we have a

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lot of um cool equipment that we use.

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And um we we have our laboratory. We

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have a lot of different insect

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collections from around the world. And

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um all of our staff are really engaged

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and and happy to educate residents on

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anything I spoke about today. So that's

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actually this weekend on the 27th from

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12 to 4. And we we used to have it

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during the week, we moved it to the

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weekend to try and get more people to

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come. So um come visit our open house.

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I think that's it. Yeah. Was there any

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questions?

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Thank you, Brian. Questions for

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>> I have questions. I always love my my

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favorite organization, by the way. I I

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this is the closest I get to what I want

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in this town, which is the one health

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organization to dominate, which is that

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the community lives by the health of the

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environment and the health and the

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environment lives by the health of the

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people. So, and that's a CDC um project.

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Uh and this is a great organization. My two things with you guys is I thought

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you were just doing mosquitoes for the

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20 first 20 years I dealt with you. Uh

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and then you gave up my favorite job,

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which was that you clean the the creeks

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for us.

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>> That's right.

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>> So every year I remind you that if we

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don't clean the creeks, we're still

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going to we're still going to get

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flooding and we're going to get

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mosquitoes and we're going to get

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whatever mosquitoes. So I'm keep hoping

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you'll put that back on. No hope.

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Any hope? Can you will you help us again

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with the with the

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>> Yeah, with the creeks. Any anything we

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can do like that? We're happy to work

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with with any city, any town. Um staff,

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[clears throat] like I said, are really

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engaging if there's something.

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>> We were pretty much told last time last

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year that there was no creek happening

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because of fishing game.

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>> Uh oh. Well, yeah. So, within our

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abilities, right? So, I know depending

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on what exactly the work is, you might

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need a stream bed alteration permit.

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There's a fine line sometimes with that,

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but you know, I could always talk to

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Okay, manager.

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>> I'll call you. Okay.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Go ahead.

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>> So, thank you for the presentation. Um,

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I've heard of you guys, but I didn't

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know is everything that you've done. Um,

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so this is great to know about ticks.

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Um, do you guys do anything around it?

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Didn't say anything. So, this is just a

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question. like I've been seeing more

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rattlesnake issues. Um, so I know this

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is more vector like [laughter] vector

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and but pest management, right? Because

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people have been definitely I'm

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definitely seeing more posts about

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rattlers. So

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>> yeah. So if somebody called about

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rattlesnakes, we could certainly advise

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them, but no, there's no control work

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that's done. I do know there are

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services, paid services in the county,

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um, that you can have if you have them

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on your private property and you want

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them removed, you can actually pay

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someone to do that. You know, I think

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it's somewhere in the vicinity of $300

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to $500. But anything that's a nuisance

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to residents of the county, we'll we're

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always happy to work with them. And you

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know, I we've been on kitten calls under

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a building and sometimes when there there's, you know, the residents

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have nobody to call, we're happy to at

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least come out, show our face and try

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and work with them whether it's exactly

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in our wheelhouse or not.

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>> Great. Thank you. Okay. Um, and then the

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last one would be it's a little beyond

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but because of the rodent situation to

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use to helping the owl population to

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help with owl boxes. Have you guys done

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anything around that?

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>> I did um years ago. I know that there

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was a I presented at um something a few

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years ago. So we've done outreach um

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maybe it was in Woodside but um that was

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talking about the owl boxes and I had

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presented on rodent control without the

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use of rodentic side. Um so we do often

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talk about that. I know that owl boxes

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can be successful but they're they're

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really hit or miss. We have worked with

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the Boy Scouts on that before where they

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put up a bunch in Hillsboro and um

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different things like that. But

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certainly our staff are educated on uh

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raptors and um you know educate

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homeowners on on their success with with

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rodent control. And obviously they can't

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control rodents to a population level,

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but as I spoke about earlier, when we're

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talking about rodents in a household,

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usually that has nothing to do, you

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know, getting them out of that household

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isn't going to impact any raptors.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Thanks for what you're

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doing.

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>> Sure. Thank you.

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>> Other questions for Brian?

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>> Yeah, I do. um for for areas that have

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like a seasonal pond that's just sort of

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dead, you know, the end of winter, it's

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sitting there and it'll dry out

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eventually, do you come out and put the

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fish in or mosquito dunks or something

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or

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>> Yeah. So, we do have um and quite often

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it's necessary, you know, that's a

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perfect example where um if we know

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something's going to dry out, we're not

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going to put mosquito fish in there. But

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we do have a variety of biorational

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products that when you're treating

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mosquito larvae, they only kill the

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mosquito larvae. They don't even kill

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the other aquatic invertebrates in the

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water column. So, um that's why it's

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always important for people to call us.

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Uh you would think, you know, mosquito

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control can be complex and depend every

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situation is completely different. So

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that's why we always recommend someone

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coming out evaluating it and um we would

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uh we're going to resolve the problem

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one way or another and working with

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them.

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>> And if you put mosquito fish in a

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swimming pool that's no longer kind of

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in use.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Do you need to feed the fish?

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>> No.

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>> So what recommend [laughter] not feed

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the fish so that they continue to eat

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the larvae and they reproduce rapidly. I

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can say that there are some swimming

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pools where we only put 20 fish and by

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the end of the summer there were a

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thousand fish in there. So they

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reproduce rapidly and they'll control

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their own population. So you don't have

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to feed them depending on how much food

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is available. Their population stays

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about that size. But we recommend not

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feeding

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>> and a rain tank. Do you recommend a fish

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or the dunks

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>> in uh in what was that barrel? rain tank

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like a 30,000gallon rain

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>> like a 30,000galon tank. So the fish do

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need access um you know

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>> sunlight

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>> to yeah to sunlight right so in that

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instance yeah we would recommend the

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dunks

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>> oh and um you had said that 1 to 3% of

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the ticks do have Lyme disease um is

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that in specific areas you've found or

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is it completely random or

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>> Yeah. So I don't know. So we we do

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what's called tick dragging. It's just

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as it sounds where you have a piece of

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felt and you drag it along all the

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public trails around here, pick the

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ticks off and then um and then we test

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them. So those numbers do vary. Um but

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generally, you know, if if we had a

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really high number, we would notify that

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community. Um however, we we haven't

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noticing we've been testing for a long

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time now, so we don't always get to

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every trail every year. It might be

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every third year, but I can't stand here

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and say that there was a abnormally high

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number in Pacifica or Portolo Valley or

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it's usually just always right around in

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that range.

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>> Uh and then in terms of biting bugs

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besides mosquitoes, do you do you have

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any recommendations for that? Yeah, I

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mean we there are always repellents that

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we recommend

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depending on the repellent in the

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situation.

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There are there are only a few products

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that are uh recommended by the EPA. So

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it's picaridin and de and so obviously

539
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with the higher percentage of that

540
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320
material the more effective it is.

541
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,960
However um we often just recommend you

542
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,799
put that on your clothes. Wearing long

543
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:30,480
sleeves and long pants is always going

544
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,559
to be best in areas where you have

545
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,799
biting insects, especially of public

546
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,799
health significance. But um but yeah,

547
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,799
with with mosquitoes, if you add that

548
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:43,840
additional layer of repellent, even with

549
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,000
ticks, um a lot of those products can

550
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,600
repel ticks as well. So I know there are

551
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,480
some biting flies, not not to a great

552
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,400
degree in the county, but sometimes a

553
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,520
year that could be a concern as well.

554
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,720
Yeah,

555
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200
>> I just want to thank you. Um Oh, is it

556
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,600
my turn?

557
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,480
>> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I was

558
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,520
going to say go ahead.

559
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,120
>> I just want to thank you. I think it's

560
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,679
one of the higher value uh lower profile

561
00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:12,159
services that our government provides.

562
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,159
So, I do encourage the public to think

563
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:21,039
about availing itself of education and consultation. So, thank you.

564
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,320
>> Thanks.

565
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,080
>> So, and I had two quick questions.

566
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,919
something like glassywing sharpshooter.

567
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,440
Is that something you guys go after or

568
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,480
is that egg department?

569
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,520
>> That's the egg department.

570
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,200
>> Okay. Yeah, I thought it might be. Um,

571
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,559
and then just because you piqu my

572
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,960
curiosity, what happens when you have

573
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,440
adult mosquitoes that have Nile, West

574
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,240
Nile? Like, are you going to then, you

575
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,120
know, fog the area or what do you do?

576
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,240
>> Yeah. So, every situation's different.

577
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,120
We always say we want a minimum of two

578
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,960
pieces of scientific information to

579
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,640
confirm the result. Um, so we have

580
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,640
fogged before as I said the last time we

581
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,880
did was 5 years ago but you know in

582
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,880
accordance with the you know state

583
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,279
health department guidelines it is still

584
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,679
the only way to control adult mosquitoes

585
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,080
actively carrying virus right so we have

586
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,559
that extremely proactive larviting

587
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,080
program because you can use those

588
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,559
biorational products we have a database

589
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,360
with over 10,000 water sources that we

590
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:24,159
inspect on a regular basis to um to to

591
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:25,840
ensure we're controlling mosquitoes at

592
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,640
the larville stage. But yes, there are

593
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,360
instances where we where we would fog

594
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,760
and that is because we've determined

595
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,400
that the risk to the public is too great

596
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,559
that we we would have to do

597
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,039
>> Great. Thank you. Yes.

598
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,080
>> Sorry, but I have to follow up on that.

599
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,919
>> Can I ask whether you have anything to

600
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,799
do with the fogging at Jasper Ridge? Uh

601
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,240
because nobody asked the question. So

602
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,880
the

603
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,559
>> uh we're we're currently I've been

604
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,279
notified that we're fogging Jasper

605
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,679
Ridge. Have they had West Nile that uh

606
00:25:57,679 --> 00:25:59,279
they reported or

607
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,360
>> So Jasper Ridge what that actually is

608
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,600
it's not a fogging. It's it's using the

609
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,679
biorational larvides that I've talked

610
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:06,480
about.

611
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:06,880
>> Okay.

612
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,200
>> Being applied by a drone. It used to be

613
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,279
applied by helicopter. I think this is

614
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,080
going on the 23rd year that this type of

615
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960
application has occurred. But there is

616
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
as you know there are areas up there

617
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,320
large inexp inaccessible to our

618
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,080
technicians and it's such a great area

619
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,039
it requires aerial application. So we

620
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,279
have in the past three four years

621
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,400
transition to drone use. It's uh less

622
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200
disruptive but yeah it's just applying

623
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,039
the same product that we would put in

624
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,520
someone's backyard fish pond or anywhere

625
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,679
else. It's just on a greater scale.

626
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:42,799
>> Thank you. Sorry.

627
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,960
>> Yeah. No worries. So, I just wanted to

628
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,240
say thank you. This has been very

629
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,919
informative and hopefully we'll get some

630
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,120
of this information in our next

631
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,799
newsletter that we send out to everybody

632
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:51,760
in the town. Yep.

633
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,200
>> So, Brian, thank you very much for your

634
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,520
time.

635
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,320
>> All right. Thank you.

636
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,000
>> All right. With that, I'm going to close

637
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,039
3B.

638
00:26:59,039 --> 00:26:59,600
>> Thank you.

639
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,440
>> And move on to 3C.

640
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240
>> Uh, yeah, actually. Yeah, sure. We

641
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,440
always do that. Thank you for the

642
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,080
reminder.

643
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,919
>> Do I have to? Do we [laughter] have to?

644
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:11,279
>> Yeah, we have to. Come on.

645
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,720
>> How about you can do it?

646
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,840
>> Come on. Come on.

647
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:39,830
>> No.

648
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,110
One, two, three.

649
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,159
» Thank you. Thank you so much.

650
00:27:48,159 --> 00:28:05,430
Appreciate it.

651
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Okay. So, now we'll move on to a

652
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,789
presentation from PG&E.

653
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:17,909
» Welcome.

654
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,919
» Good evening. Thank you for having me.

655
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,440
I'm thrilled to be back in the hometown

656
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,080
of Pulla Valley. I am Marjgerie Ruizgo.

657
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,399
I remain your senior local government

658
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,159
affairs representative for Pug Genie

659
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:31,679
serving the county of

660
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,360
May I just say I'm I'm thrilled to be

661
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,559
talking about safety today.

662
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,080
That being said, um every meeting at P

663
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,399
Gen starts with a safety message and

664
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,399
tonight should be no different. So, I am

665
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:46,799
sure that everyone woke up this morning

666
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,600
to or you would have been awake before

667
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,760
to hear your cell phones buzz buzzing

668
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,440
from USGS's earthquake alert. And so, in

669
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,279
that spirit,

670
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,440
an emergency

671
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,440
is not the best time to be prepared. And

672
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,799
so, I'd love to remind the public that

673
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,200
being prepared is critical. And a

674
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360
disaster supply kit with food, water,

675
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,840
medications, emergency contacts can make

676
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000
a real difference when it matters most.

677
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,320
If you need any ideas, tips, learn more

678
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,120
at pg.comsafetyaction

679
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,919
center.

680
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:23,279
Please, it's okay. So, our agenda for

681
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:24,720
the night, where we're going. So, we're

682
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
going to learn about identifying and

683
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,320
reducing wildfire risk. We're going to

684
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,640
learn about enhanced power line safety

685
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200
settings, known internally as EPSS. P

686
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,720
Gen has all of the acronyms and then

687
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,279
we'll take questions at the end. So to

688
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,360
kick us off, let's discuss how we

689
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,120
identify and reduce wildfire risk.

690
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,039
As you can see from this map, more than

691
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,039
half of our service area is considered

692
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,240
high fire risk. So for P Gen, that means

693
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,799
we are laser focused on safety for our

694
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,200
customers and communities. We use this

695
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,919
map to help target our wild safety, our

696
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:00,640
wild fire safety efforts in the areas

697
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,159
that need them most. And so with that

698
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:03,919
context, I'll walk you through the

699
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:06,000
layers of wildfire protection that we

700
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,080
use which are designed to reduce said

701
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,230
risk and protect our customers.

702
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Thank you. So these are layers of

703
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,679
wildfire protection. Last time I was

704
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:18,799
here, I introduced the P Genie reported

705
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,120
app and mentioned our safety toolkit

706
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,880
which includes cameras, drones,

707
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,240
helicopters, and foot patrols. But

708
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,480
today, I want to expand further on this

709
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,679
topic. Each year we evaluate wildfire

710
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,919
risk and conduct safety work in these

711
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:34,640
areas. And so this safety work includes

712
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,799
as you can see situational awareness,

713
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,960
operational mitigations, resiliency

714
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,799
work. And these are the guiding

715
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,640
philosophies that help us do our work.

716
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,480
And sit so for example situational

717
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,880
awareness tools like meteorology. We

718
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,559
have an in-house meteorology team 247

719
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,799
release weather reports three times a

720
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,760
day. And these are the models that PG&

721
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,000
relies on when planning um resiliency

722
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,760
work, wildfire safety, EPSS settings

723
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,679
during storm season. We will use these

724
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,360
models to help inform us where we're

725
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,320
going to pre-stage crews, equipment,

726
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,320
anything to cut down that response time

727
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,919
and have everyone in position should

728
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,320
anything arise.

729
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,919
Now, our long-term resiliency work

730
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:20,480
includes installing stronger poles,

731
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,159
covered power lines, as well as the

732
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:24,480
undergrounding in the highest priority

733
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,679
power lines. I'm sorry, undergrounding.

734
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,080
It's a mouthful to get through these

735
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,320
undergrounding in high fire threat

736
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,760
districts. So, that's something else

737
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,840
that we do as far as resiliency work. We

738
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,399
also manage, you'll see our arborists in

739
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,240
your neighborhoods. I imagine you've

740
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,159
been seeing them here in Perola Valley.

741
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:45,200
We manage our trees, vegetation,

742
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,960
anything located near our power lines to

743
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440
help prevent outages and wildfires. We

744
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,440
also conduct additional inspections and

745
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000
we maintain greater clearances in those

746
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,960
areas that have fire threat districts,

747
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,200
high fire threat districts um when there

748
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,039
is an increased risk of wildfires,

749
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,399
especially with the context of the

750
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:04,320
weather. So, we don't just rely on any

751
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,320
single one of these. We do all of these

752
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840
cohesively.

753
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,840
For example, we'll install a stronger

754
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,840
pole. We will come in and prune trees

755
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640
and we manage these with cameras, with

756
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
drones, helicopters. We're constantly

757
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,840
inspecting all of our assets. A lot of

758
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,600
this is public. You can learn more about

759
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,279
this wildfire safety progress through

760
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,559
the years on our website at

761
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,590
pen.comwfiresafety

762
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,960
progress and you'll be able to track

763
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,919
what we do there.

764
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,919
Enhanced power line safety settings.

765
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:39,519
These are advanced protective settings

766
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,440
that make the electric system more

767
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760
sensitive to potential hazard. These

768
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,679
they automatically shut off power in

769
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,200
fractions of a second, sometimes within

770
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,200
an eighth of a second when a threat is

771
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000
detected to help prevent power line

772
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,230
related wildfire ignitions.

773
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,760
Let's talk about this map. This is

774
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,679
Portola Valley. You will see that white

775
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:02,240
boundary there. And Portola Valley is

776
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,200
fed by two circuits that come from two

777
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,159
substations them there. the Menllo 112

778
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:11,679
in green and the Woodside 111 in purple.

779
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:13,760
Both of these circuits, the entirety of

780
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320
these circuits are EPSS enabled. And

781
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320
what that means is that these EPSS

782
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
devices that detect anything foreign to

783
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440
the line live on those segments of the

784
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,279
line.

785
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,000
Slide, please.

786
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,029
So, let's walk you through a scenario.

787
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,960
A foreign object hits the line. the

788
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,039
safety settings turn power off quickly.

789
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,799
And so what that means is that and

790
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,720
council member Walter, you've you've

791
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,240
visited us so you'll you'll remember

792
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,519
this. The line reclosure will open. The

793
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,919
line reclosure lives on the line and as

794
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:49,760
soon as it detects any foreign object,

795
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,240
it'll automatically open and it will

796
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880
deenergize that line. It will try to

797
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,799
reopen and if it doesn't detect that

798
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,200
it's safe to do so, it will immediately

799
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,720
deenergize and trigger a patrol. And so

800
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,480
we'll come out here. We will inspect the

801
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,559
entirety of that line. Until eyes are

802
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,200
physically on it, I am not able to reize

803
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,679
that line. Now, these patrols also

804
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,679
inform the system improvement work we do

805
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,839
to prevent similar hazards from causing

806
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:18,399
future outages. We constantly monitor

807
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:20,480
wildfire conditions to determine when to

808
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,839
turn EPSS safety settings on or off. We

809
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:26,320
are in fire season, so right now all of

810
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560
these circuits in the town of Portulla

811
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Valley are enabled.

812
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,720
what in what guides us in turning on

813
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,040
these settings. So we examine low

814
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,320
humidity, dry fuels like dead leaves or

815
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
grass and greater wind speeds. Those are

816
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,240
the three ingredients that we are

817
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,320
looking for to turn on these EPSS

818
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,000
settings. EPSS is PG& developed

819
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,359
technology. It came about in 2021. It

820
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:54,720
has a 69 to 70%

821
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,040
um safety setting. I'm sorry, reduction

822
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,760
of ignition success rate. And it's it's

823
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,280
been so successive that we are

824
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,119
consulting on this in Maui, in the

825
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,240
Palisades, in Oregon. It's it's become a

826
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,680
lead safety instrument in the industry.

827
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,640
Next slide, please.

828
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Now, that being said, in the middle of

829
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,800
keeping everyone safe, we absolutely

830
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,400
recognize that losing power is

831
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,119
inconvenient and it is our priority to

832
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,200
keep in customers informed in the event

833
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,280
of a safety outage. Since the power

834
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,280
turns off so quickly, sometimes within

835
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,440
an eighth of a second, due to the

836
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,280
potential safety hazard, it is not

837
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,599
possible for me to notify in advance.

838
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,680
However, we are able to provide

839
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
customers with updates during and

840
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,280
following an outage through their

841
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
preferred contact method. This includes

842
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400
text messages, emails, andor automated

843
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200
calls. Once power is restored, we will

844
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,880
also send a notification to confirm

845
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960
power is back on along with information

846
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,240
on the outage cause if it is available.

847
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,480
We have not always been able to do this.

848
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,079
Um, we've not always been able to follow

849
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:03,839
up with a cause in the past, but we do

850
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,920
have a dedicated team internally that is

851
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240
working on developing and improving this

852
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,400
communication system.

853
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Slide, please.

854
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,839
And so, I'll take the opportunity here

855
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,200
to say P Gen is only able to communicate

856
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960
with customers based on the customer's

857
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960
communication preferences. So, if anyone

858
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,480
has any trouble, customers can see a

859
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160
step-by-step guide on how to update

860
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,240
their preferred contact method by

861
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,079
scanning that QR code on the screen or

862
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,960
by visiting pg.com/preferences

863
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520
guide.

864
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,839
Slide, please.

865
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:38,400
So, for more information in work taking

866
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,079
place in the area, we also have an

867
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,920
interactive map that lets you see

868
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,079
exactly where reliability work is taking

869
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,160
place on power lines serving you. And

870
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,640
this progress map can also be accessed

871
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,119
by visiting pgen.com

872
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,359
progress map or by scanning that QR code

873
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:59,670
there.

874
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,200
This was a brief but I think it I've

875
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040
introduced the mechanics of how EPSS

876
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,960
settings work. I'd love to take your

877
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,720
questions now. Um we might want to keep

878
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,960
up that presentation Darcy because I

879
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,240
might use it to explain a few things

880
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,589
depending on the questions.

881
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,839
from the council.

882
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:21,200
Becca,

883
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,960
>> uh, thank you so much for coming to tell

884
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,240
us all about this. Um, so we have two

885
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,480
circuits that control large parts of

886
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,160
Port all of Porto Valley.

887
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,400
>> Yes. You know, in the past I can

888
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,079
remember that when there were outings

889
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,560
outages that somehow my home was

890
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,720
frequently never got hit even though

891
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,000
there's these two circuits. Have the

892
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560
circuits changed in some way? So yes

893
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,720
actually we've sectionalized those

894
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,240
circuits as a method to improve so that

895
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,680
the entire line doesn't go down that

896
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,359
means no one the everyone else goes

897
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:54,880
down. So for example with site 1101

898
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,680
which is that purple circuit uh it has

899
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,839
it's been segmented or sectionalized 15

900
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,400
times and that circuit has 20 EPSS

901
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400
devices. That means I have more EPSS

902
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040
devices than segments.

903
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,359
That is how serious seriously we're

904
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:13,040
taking this. Menllo 112 has 19 segments.

905
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,280
I've sectionalized that line 19 times.

906
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,400
And what that does is it allows me to

907
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800
switch customers back and forth along

908
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640
the line. So that if one section of the

909
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,520
line is deenergized, I can shorten that

910
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,440
restoration time, move them somewhere

911
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,880
else on the line, and then switch them

912
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,160
back. So a MENLO 112 has 19 segments and

913
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,119
has 34 EPSS devices.

914
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:36,800
So yeah, that was my second question is

915
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,960
can you just switch people to a

916
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,800
different circuit if part of it is

917
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,920
damaged?

918
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,839
>> So yes,

919
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:45,920
usually that isn't always possible

920
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,920
depending on the extent of the damage.

921
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,440
So if it might there might be a

922
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
difference

923
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,000
encroaching on the line versus an entire

924
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,560
tree branch with the which the coast um

925
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,320
experiences with frequency like an

926
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,079
entire tree coming down on the line. at

927
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,400
that point the line is gone and it's not

928
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,480
safe for me to switch because I the wire

929
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,839
is down I wouldn't have a line to

930
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:07,520
switch. So it depends on what the nature

931
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,480
of the outage is. So I found the

932
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,119
communications that we get reasonably

933
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,400
helpful but what I always wonder is if

934
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,119
we can't know why an outage occurred

935
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,040
sooner than later. You know we don't

936
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,760
seem to find that out till if ever you

937
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,839
know until after it's all fixed. Is

938
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:31,680
there no way to as part of the um alert say a tree fell on it or a

939
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,599
squirrel got killed or you know whatever

940
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,359
just so we have a better sense of kind

941
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,200
of the magnitude of the problem.

942
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,440
>> So it's not always possible. I can let

943
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,520
me give you an example. If if I have the

944
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,520
right amount of wind speed, low humidity

945
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,560
and heat, it might be that the line is

946
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,160
detecting the wind

947
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,800
>> and it deenergizes until it's safe. And

948
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,480
so I there wouldn't be a cause there

949
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,920
available. Now I can't notify you

950
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,440
immediately because these lines are

951
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,160
quite long as all of them are. It comes

952
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,599
I also those triangles are the

953
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:04,880
substations that feed them. You can see

954
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,640
they're right near the 101. And so

955
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,119
it requires human eyes to see the line

956
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,960
before I can re-energize. And so the

957
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,720
line will detect well I'm sorry we'll

958
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,599
detect that the line has been

959
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,920
deenergized. Smart communications will

960
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,520
trigger and it'll start notifying

961
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,440
customers that are affected. But there's

962
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,040
no way for me to follow up with cause

963
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
until someone patrols the line.

964
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,760
>> So if that particular ESP sensor is

965
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,760
triggered, do you you still have to

966
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,920
inspect the entire green line or the

967
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,000
entire purple line or just that sort of

968
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,839
segment that was triggered

969
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,320
>> during normal weather conditions. So

970
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,960
let's say in February, February, we got

971
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,040
through most of the storms this year. It

972
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,880
wasn't fire season yet. So those

973
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,760
circuits were not EPSS enabled. When

974
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,480
EPSS circuits are enabled, we have to

975
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,079
patrol the line.

976
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,800
>> I see. And then my last question is, I

977
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000
know that PG& does offer battery rebates

978
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,920
for people who are affected a lot by

979
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,839
these. Is there And I've gone on the

980
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:05,680
website to see and I put in my address

981
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,599
and I'm confused about the information.

982
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,359
I just am not sure whether or not I

983
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,079
would qualify for um

984
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,280
>> So, you can always call 1800 PG5000 and

985
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
those are local customer service

986
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,720
centers. Those are Californians. They

987
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,240
are your neighbors. They're your

988
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,000
friends. They live right here. They can

989
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
help walk you through that, but I can

990
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,839
also follow up with more information.

991
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,599
>> Okay.

992
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,710
>> Yeah.

993
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,200
Um, what was the statistic since

994
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,119
2021?

995
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,000
69%

996
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,760
>> 69% of wildfire ignitions have been

997
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,800
reduced. So this is this is incredibly

998
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,839
successful

999
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,240
>> within your district or what what's the

1000
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,599
geography that that cover

1001
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,200
>> enterprisewide throughout our surface

1002
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,240
territory.

1003
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,160
>> Okay. And what are you looking to do to

1004
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,920
further improve? I assume you're always

1005
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,800
trying to improve.

1006
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,319
>> We're always trying to improve. So

1007
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,000
sectionalizing the lines were part of

1008
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,599
that.

1009
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,200
But it also depends on what you mean by

1010
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,520
improve. So for example, are

1011
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,119
deenergizing the line within an eighth

1012
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,839
of a second is a major improvement. So

1013
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,040
if if you mean that we're going to

1014
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,960
continue to cut down that line. Now if

1015
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,040
you mean restoration

1016
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,800
then I imagine we're going to continue

1017
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,960
yeah going through the process safety is

1018
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,520
the priority.

1019
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,359
>> I mean I imagine you have thousands of

1020
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,839
different technologies pull in and

1021
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:26,000
you're evaluating over time in a

1022
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,359
separate but um it sounds like this

1023
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,839
technology has been very successful.

1024
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:36,240
>> Yes. Okay. Um, we we monitor these every

1025
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,079
day, 24/7. We decide the safety setting,

1026
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,440
when they're on, when they're off.

1027
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,319
Obviously, right now, they're going to

1028
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,400
be on all through 24/7 until we get

1029
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,720
through fire season. And sometimes it's

1030
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,640
within an eighth of a second. Um, I know

1031
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
we have zero second. It immediately

1032
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,240
shuts down in some districts, in some

1033
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,359
areas. It it it it depends.

1034
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:55,599
>> Yeah.

1035
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,920
>> Thank you. Very very interesting.

1036
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
>> Qu Hope hopefully a huge subject, a

1037
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,000
quick question. We have 38 crossings of

1038
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,440
our evacuation route uh with overhead

1039
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:14,880
high power electric lines in a a high fire risk area and we have a

1040
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,680
standing undergrounding committee that

1041
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,560
has never made an inch of progress and

1042
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,920
I'm wondering uh if uh we could put the

1043
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160
spark in it so that we could start

1044
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,720
thinking at least put it on your radar

1045
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,599
that it would be a huge deal for us to

1046
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:32,720
actually get this done

1047
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,800
>> for that question. I promise you I'm

1048
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,920
your biggest advocate on this

1049
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,839
internally. But let's if we could Darcy

1050
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:39,839
put up that um put up Portulla Valley

1051
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:43,599
again please. So within that white shape

1052
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,880
boundary shape there are no high fire

1053
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,560
threat districts here. So it's not tier

1054
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,800
three. You have tier 2. It's a heavily

1055
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040
vegetated area. So for us the priority

1056
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,319
here until we can get to that

1057
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:56,560
undergrounding

1058
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,599
goal is vegetation management. Now,

1059
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:00,960
that's not to say that undergrounding

1060
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,480
isn't coming to some of these areas, but

1061
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,000
that that will be something that I think

1062
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,319
we can discuss down the road.

1063
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:07,760
>> And that's because we're so good at our

1064
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,160
vegetation control. Or is because we

1065
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,359
were right in the middle of what you

1066
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,280
showed us, the high fire district.

1067
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880
>> I think it's because you're adjacent to

1068
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,240
a high fire threat district. So,

1069
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,960
Woodside would be more of a tier three.

1070
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,960
You're not quite tier 2. And right now,

1071
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:28,550
we're prioritizing tier three per CPC.

1072
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,119
other question.

1073
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,960
>> Thank you. You're welcome, Ellen.

1074
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,440
>> So, thanks so much for coming. Super

1075
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,640
helpful. Um I love seeing where our um

1076
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,599
transmission lines are. Do we have

1077
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,200
redundancy considered redundancy here

1078
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,760
for the outages? Like when people are

1079
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,200
out, are the lack or is the lack of

1080
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,440
redundancy part of the restoration

1081
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,960
problem?

1082
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Council

1083
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,000
member, do you mean by redundancy, do

1084
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,440
you mean do I have the ability to move

1085
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,680
people up and down the line across the

1086
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,720
circuit?

1087
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,440
>> Um, I meant like the redundancy where

1088
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,440
one line goes down, but you have another

1089
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,040
line that occurs, right? So, is that

1090
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
moving them up and down the circuit? I'm

1091
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,640
>> Yes, that's Yeah, it's called switching.

1092
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,400
So, we we switch people, we back tie

1093
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,920
people, we we move them around to keep

1094
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,119
as many customers energized as possible.

1095
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:23,920
>> Okay.

1096
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,000
>> Um, could you also speak? Obviously,

1097
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,960
we're lower density than Bayside, for

1098
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,520
instance. Um, and how you prioritize

1099
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,960
um when there are outages. Um, are we a

1100
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,520
like a lower priority because we are

1101
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,040
lower density?

1102
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,000
>> No. No. So, multiple factors go into

1103
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,359
this. One of the first things that we

1104
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,280
look at are we have a critical customer

1105
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,560
list. So, we look at who on that line is

1106
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,240
a critical care customer. Maybe they

1107
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,800
need an oxygen tank. Maybe they are in

1108
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,680
hospice care. So we we have a great

1109
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,520
customer team that would reach out to

1110
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,200
that customer directly. Whether it's

1111
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280
phone, we try to get out here in person.

1112
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,400
These are one of the things that we

1113
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,800
measure. We also measure safety, the

1114
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,640
safety of our workers. So for example,

1115
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,880
during storm season, if it's not safe

1116
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,599
for me to put crews out there, then

1117
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,119
we'll we have to wait for the weather.

1118
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,119
It has to be safe for them to work. We

1119
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,119
have standards about the wind and who

1120
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:22,480
can get up on a bucket, who can get up

1121
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,119
on a pole given the wind conditions.

1122
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,920
It's usually about what are the most

1123
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,599
customers that we can restore and how

1124
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,680
can we mitigate the outage for as many

1125
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,599
people as possible. So sometimes you'll

1126
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,000
see outages where everyone's been

1127
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,520
restored and then there's one customer

1128
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,440
who's at the end of the line who will be

1129
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,040
out for the duration of the repair and

1130
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,400
we'll usually reach out to that customer

1131
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,560
directly, see if they need anything, if

1132
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,880
provide. Each outage is unique.

1133
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,920
>> Thank you. Thanks so much. Yeah,

1134
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,359
>> thank you. So, I had some questions. So,

1135
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:56,640
one of the things I was wondering is

1136
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,400
given that the San Andreas fault runs

1137
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,880
through Portola Valley, what are you

1138
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,240
guys doing special to deal with both

1139
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,680
electric and gas lines in a in an

1140
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,079
earthquake fault zone? I am not as

1141
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:11,440
intimately familiar at the moment with

1142
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,079
gas lines, but I can say that I'd love

1143
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,079
to follow up with you on that one. Now,

1144
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,599
internally, we have ways of shutting

1145
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,520
down the lines through SCADA, something

1146
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,800
called SCADA. Please don't ask me what

1147
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,480
the acronym stands for.

1148
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,319
>> I couldn't possibly remember at this

1149
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,839
point. So, we have ways of completely

1150
00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:28,000
deenergizing those lines.

1151
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,920
>> And this is an electrical line or

1152
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,760
>> electrical. Okay. Yeah. I can follow up

1153
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,119
with you with gas.

1154
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,359
>> Okay. Because obviously both of those

1155
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:36,720
are concerned during an earthquake.

1156
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,440
>> Yep. Um, and then I guess you answered a

1157
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,119
little bit about undergrounding and

1158
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,359
covering the lines. I mean, obviously,

1159
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:45,599
you know, in our western slopes here,

1160
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,160
you know, we have steep slopes, heavily

1161
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,359
vegetated. If a fire caught there, it'd

1162
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,520
be very similar to Oakland Hills.

1163
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:53,920
>> Yes.

1164
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,680
>> Um, so, you know, I think there's a lot

1165
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,000
of concern within the community to make

1166
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,319
sure that it's safe. And to the degree

1167
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,240
you can, I think being able to explain

1168
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,480
to people that they're pro protected

1169
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,200
with EPSS or EPS, I mean, whatever.

1170
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,720
>> You know, you had it right. EPSS.

1171
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,040
>> Yeah. So that they have a sense because

1172
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,720
I think right now it's a little bit

1173
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,880
voodoo magic. It's like, well, I don't

1174
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,480
know. They the lines all look the same,

1175
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,119
I think people say. And so maybe you can

1176
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,680
find a way to say, no, we've got your

1177
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,640
this segment segment covered this way. I

1178
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,319
think that might go a long way. and we

1179
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,400
have an emergency preparedness committee

1180
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,760
um that I think would be a great place

1181
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,119
to provide some of that information

1182
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,960
because then they could get it out.

1183
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,480
>> So, I'm hopeful that tonight's council

1184
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,559
meeting is a good starting point for the

1185
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,319
residents of the town of Pulla Valley,

1186
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:39,920
but I want to emphasize that the

1187
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
entirety of these circuits are EPSS

1188
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,760
enabled. So, to to Council Member

1189
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,760
Walter's point about redundancies, I

1190
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,680
have 19 segments on one circuit. I think

1191
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
it's 11:02. Yes, it's 11:02. And 34 of

1192
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,160
those EPSS devices live on those

1193
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960
circuits. So it's it's it's a crowded

1194
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
line of safety if if that makes any

1195
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,800
visual.

1196
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,480
>> Yeah. I guess what I didn't quite when

1197
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,760
Rebecca was asking the question I didn't

1198
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
quite understand that if one of them

1199
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,040
triggers does it take out the whole

1200
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,599
circuit or is it only the segment that

1201
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,359
it's responsible for monitoring? it'll

1202
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:15,119
take out that section. It and it and

1203
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,839
again it depends what if if the entire

1204
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,319
tree falls on the entirety of the line

1205
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,240
the then the entire line goes down and

1206
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,839
so everyone's out and we would try to

1207
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,200
switch everyone to the other circuit

1208
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,520
while we repair the line. It depends on

1209
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,480
the outage.

1210
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,960
>> Okay.

1211
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,000
>> Yep.

1212
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,760
>> Um and then the last one is on

1213
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,920
arborists. Um I think I certainly hear a

1214
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,800
number of complaints of PG just showing

1215
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,040
up and hacking. Like there doesn't seem

1216
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,960
to be an arborist involved. I mean, it's

1217
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,079
pretty clear they go, "Well, that's

1218
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,319
within 12 feet." And they just cut it

1219
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,520
without any concern for potential damage

1220
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
to the tree itself. So, I think calling

1221
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040
it an arborist might be like a little

1222
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,119
bit too strong. Or maybe you could find

1223
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,880
a better way of communicating with the

1224
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,880
residents so they understand that what

1225
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,559
they're doing is actually healthy for

1226
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,800
the tree as well as protecting the

1227
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,960
neighborhood.

1228
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,800
So vegetation management is the highest

1229
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,839
priority on the P Gen desk and it's a

1230
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,400
bit difficult to so that's why we have

1231
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,000
annual permits and I imagine that that

1232
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,720
notification pro process as inspectors

1233
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,839
come out it it gets a little murky but I want to just say at the risk of

1234
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:28,000
sounding cliche that our vegetation

1235
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,240
management folks are tree huggers in

1236
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,800
their off time they go and plant trees

1237
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,960
and they invite everyone at P Gen to

1238
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240
tree plant So that's a thought that's a

1239
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,920
very good note to take back to the team

1240
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,520
of how can we get it out there that

1241
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,839
actually our vegetation folks are doing

1242
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:46,160
the good work of the forest and you know

1243
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,800
working to keep trees as healthy and

1244
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,640
safe for the residents as possible.

1245
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,000
That's a good note, mayor. Thank you.

1246
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,599
>> And I and I'm thinking particularly the

1247
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,359
trees they're cutting. I mean it's great

1248
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:56,480
that they're planting other trees and

1249
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,240
they love trees. That's good. But sure

1250
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,079
often it just seems they're drawing

1251
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,640
their sphere around the line and cutting

1252
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,960
anything without thinking guy just

1253
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,040
climbs up and goes oh that one that one without actually at least from

1254
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
a resident's point of view saying look

1255
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,880
we carefully cut it at this place for

1256
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,240
this reason because keep the tree

1257
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,240
healthy. So I just think maybe a little

1258
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,160
more education on how they're going

1259
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,839
about the cutting not just what they're

1260
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:20,559
cutting.

1261
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,160
>> I understand but it's also important to

1262
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,119
remember that we don't set the clearance

1263
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,440
heights. It's it that's done by CalFire

1264
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,599
and so we have to meet that safety

1265
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:30,160
standard.

1266
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,680
>> Yeah. I'm not suggesting that you don't

1267
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,599
cut to the requirement. It's there's

1268
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,200
different ways you can cut a tree to be

1269
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,839
a healthy cut versus a hack

1270
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,319
>> and and right now the complaints I get

1271
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:43,760
is they're just hacked.

1272
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,160
>> Okay.

1273
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,680
>> So that's a good note.

1274
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,680
>> Yeah. So I mean this is great. Thank you

1275
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,240
for your presentation.

1276
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,920
>> Can I ask one other quick question?

1277
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,240
Yeah. So, um, there have been concerns

1278
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,319
in the town, maybe this isn't quite your

1279
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,240
department, but about how long it takes

1280
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,880
to get a permit, how long it takes to

1281
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,240
get a work, how long it takes to get

1282
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,680
connected to a grid when you're putting

1283
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,400
on solar or battery. Is there any kind

1284
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,119
of advice you can give or recommendation

1285
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,520
or for how that could be sped up or is

1286
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,040
there any kind of internal discussions

1287
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,839
about facilitating that so that we can

1288
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:15,280
get more solar connections and more

1289
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,240
batteries up faster? So, the number one

1290
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,920
thing that I'd like to emphasize is that

1291
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,839
everything starts with an application

1292
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,160
for service and and that runs in

1293
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,839
parallel to whatever permits any

1294
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:28,000
residents or business owners may need

1295
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,880
from the city. Our our process has its

1296
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
own timeline. And so the earlier, and

1297
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,319
this is my message across the county and

1298
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:36,079
anywhere that I am, frankly, whether

1299
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,319
it's a residence or it's a business or

1300
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:41,200
it's a developer, if you wake up and you

1301
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,800
think you're going to need service from

1302
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,400
PG, please file an application.

1303
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,119
So, or yes, that that that would be my

1304
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,160
number one suggestion. The second one I

1305
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,839
would have is we have a applicant

1306
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:56,480
journey map and you can see at each step

1307
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,400
of the process how much we estimate for

1308
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,559
something to take

1309
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,240
and I would recommend everyone go online

1310
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,480
to pg.com and you can type in customer

1311
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,000
journey map and you can see and you can

1312
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,880
estimate about how long it will take.

1313
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,760
Solar has been an experience. a lot of

1314
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,319
solar companies are going bankrupt or

1315
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:16,079
they stop operating from one day to the

1316
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,160
next and that that right now as of the

1317
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,480
last six eight six to eight months

1318
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,000
that's been the challenge that I've been

1319
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,599
hearing from constituents and your you

1320
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,440
know my customers your constituents is

1321
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,040
maybe they were midway through a project

1322
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,800
and their solar company went dark or

1323
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,280
they went under and and well that that

1324
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,119
brings about its own sets of issues

1325
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,880
unfortunately

1326
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,240
>> and the other you should look at is

1327
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,680
undergrounding I mean you know that

1328
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,960
we've had some permits that have taken

1329
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,960
like nine months to get approved

1330
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,480
for somebody who's trying to underground

1331
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,800
from the pole to their house. So, and

1332
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,800
that seems kind of excessive when you're

1333
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,400
trying to move move things along. So,

1334
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,680
it's just something an area you might

1335
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,559
look at look at.

1336
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,359
>> So, I so I each application like each

1337
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:55,040
outage is also unique. I would imagine

1338
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,720
that given the curves in the road, the

1339
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,800
lack maybe of public rideway that we

1340
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,720
have less room to work with here. It's rural. There are curves. I imagine

1341
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,800
that might have something to do with it.

1342
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,040
I would have to have an an example,

1343
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,960
mayor, so that I could truly speak to

1344
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,640
it. I think it's getting the engineers

1345
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,640
to look at the plan, but but let's not

1346
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,240
go into detail. We can talk later.

1347
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:14,720
>> We can.

1348
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:15,839
>> Yeah. Perfect. Thank you.

1349
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:16,160
>> Sure.

1350
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000
>> Appreciate it. Thanks for coming.

1351
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,599
>> Okay, with that, thank you. You're very

1352
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,480
welcome.

1353
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,880
>> Okay, so with that, I'm going to close

1354
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,800
3C and move on to the town manager

1355
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,510
report.

1356
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,599
» Darcy Smith, town manager. I don't

1357
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,200
really know that I can top that to be

1358
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,160
honest. mosquitoes,

1359
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,440
power lines, but do it my best. Um,

1360
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
town events coming up. One of my

1361
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,440
favorites, the Thursday night summer

1362
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,480
music series starting in July. Then

1363
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,040
August and September, PV Palooa, which

1364
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,400
is a little bit later this year,

1365
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,559
Saturday, August 29th. We have started

1366
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:01,119
the planning and the band rosters up.

1367
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,640
And last town picnic, Zots to Tutts. Be

1368
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,079
opening up registration [clears throat]

1369
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,079
for that soon. But make sure it's on

1370
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,720
your calendar for the fall. But if you

1371
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,960
don't have plans this Saturday or if you

1372
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,520
want to do something before going to the

1373
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,240
mosquito open house, we have our very

1374
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,640
own town emergency preparedness and

1375
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,760
safety day at station 8,

1376
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
10:00 a.m. to 3 pm. I'll be there and

1377
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,119
there's going to be some really fun

1378
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,440
presentations. Maybe not bug

1379
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,079
collections, but

1380
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,040
it will have WPBERT, the amateur radio

1381
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,670
club, etc.

1382
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,000
10:00 a.m. Yes, please come. You don't

1383
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,599
have to stay all five hours. You can

1384
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,599
just drop in.

1385
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,559
>> If I could just jump in. Um, for field

1386
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,680
day, if a member of the council shows

1387
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,520
up, they get extra points because

1388
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,680
there's there's a whole point system

1389
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,200
with a L um, when they do field day. So,

1390
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,960
I'm unfortunately out of town. So, if

1391
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,640
any of you are available, and I would

1392
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
suggest 10 to two, you know, by the time

1393
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,559
2 o'clock, depends on the weather and

1394
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,240
the frequency bands, how well they're

1395
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,920
doing. Sometimes things wrap up. So,

1396
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
don't show up at, you know, 2:55 because

1397
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,079
they may be wrapping up, but sometime

1398
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,760
between 10 and two it would be a great

1399
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920
time. So, any of you or all of you that

1400
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,839
would like to come, that would be great.

1401
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:23,119
>> Sorry, Darcy. Keep going.

1402
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,200
>> No problem. So, then some of you might

1403
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,640
recall I've announced in the past that

1404
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,880
we ran a community survey. It's titled

1405
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,599
the Cortell Valley conversation. Um,

1406
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,359
it's engagement with the town about

1407
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,680
protecting our emergency services, our

1408
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,680
financial stability, and looking at our

1409
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,920
town a

1410
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
recall we had a survey that was open to

1411
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,880
everyone. It was not selective. And I'm

1412
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,680
really happy to announce that we have

1413
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,240
published the rankings um for that

1414
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,200
survey. This is a lot to absorb. So this

1415
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,000
is on our website at the engagement web

1416
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,640
page and but more importantly we're

1417
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,440
working on our next Portell Valley Post

1418
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,359
and it will have this on the front page

1419
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:05,359
and this should be mailed out hopefully

1420
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,599
next week. So watch for this. We've got

1421
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,640
some great articles by the conservation

1422
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,319
committee about defensible space

1423
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:16,240
and we've got an article from the

1424
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,960
emergency preparedness committee and

1425
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,200
woodside fire and some sustainability

1426
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,760
tips and some trail tips. So, watch for

1427
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,839
this. But this community priority

1428
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:28,160
ranking was based on the priorities that

1429
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,280
were identified last year by our uh

1430
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,079
survey. Um, but you can see here the

1431
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,640
overwhelmingly number one ranked most

1432
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,440
important community priority is wildfire

1433
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,599
prevention services. That includes

1434
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,119
different services that the town and

1435
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,040
Woodside Fire does as well as homeowners

1436
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,960
can do themselves, but that's a huge

1437
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,119
priority. And then next up is 911

1438
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,559
emergency police patrols. And then maybe

1439
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,880
not as glamorous but still important,

1440
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,000
storm drains. and then preserving our

1441
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,960
autonomy and preventing what could be a

1442
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,720
potential county takeover of our local

1443
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,200
zoning land use. So, this is just a

1444
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,559
quick snapshot. We'll be talking about

1445
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,480
it more in the next few months, but I

1446
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,960
just wanted to share this this data that

1447
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,280
we analyzed and announced that the post

1448
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,880
will be mailed out next week. So, keep

1449
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,190
an eye out for that. Thank you.

1450
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,520
» Thank you. Any questions for Darcy?

1451
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,559
Yeah. On the survey, how many people

1452
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,000
does that reflect?

1453
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,640
>> Approximately 1% of our population.

1454
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,359
>> So 40 odd. Yep. Um and what is the

1455
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,359
purpose of it?

1456
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,400
>> The purpose of it is to inform the

1457
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,920
budget. So that's number one. We were we had this data before we finalized the

1458
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,200
budget. It's also important to inform

1459
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,359
the town about what the council

1460
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,599
priorities are. We already had our

1461
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,920
priority setting discussion and I think

1462
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,559
we we touched on all of these. Um, but

1463
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,160
it's also important to [clears throat]

1464
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,200
inform the community as we head into

1465
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,359
July and look at a potential ballot

1466
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:10,559
measure to identify revenue for the

1467
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:11,920
town.

1468
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,839
>> But this isn't to be confused with the

1469
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,960
polling that was done

1470
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,920
last year. Is it the one and the same or

1471
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,480
is it different?

1472
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,040
>> Different. They are different. The

1473
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,720
polling last year was very much a

1474
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,280
community focused poll around a

1475
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,640
potential ballot measure.

1476
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,240
>> Yeah.

1477
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,960
>> But we're not using statistics on how

1478
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,040
much this sample of 1% reflects the

1479
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:39,839
community.

1480
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,480
>> Correct. This is not statistically

1481
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,440
valid or stat scientific survey because

1482
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,960
it was open to everyone. anyone with a

1483
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,799
computer could participate

1484
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,440
>> and you have mechanisms to prevent

1485
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,760
double counting etc.

1486
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,400
>> Correct.

1487
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,920
>> I I have concerns of things like this

1488
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,760
being used as meaningful at that

1489
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,400
percentage. So I'll stay tuned and see

1490
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,920
how it plays out. Will you be giving

1491
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,480
reports periodically on numbers? Thank

1492
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,710
you. Yes.

1493
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,240
» Other questions for Darcy? Right. I will

1494
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,839
close out the town manager report and

1495
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:22,079
move on to oral communications. So, this

1496
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,319
is an opportunity for the public to me

1497
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:27,119
turn off the

1498
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,440
>> I'm trying. I I've turned it off a 100

1499
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,240
different ways.

1500
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,559
>> Okay. Uh [laughter]

1501
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,599
let's see who's trying to call Mary. So,

1502
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,200
oral communication. This is you can

1503
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,880
comment on anything that's come before

1504
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,200
presentations, town manager report, or

1505
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,599
anything else that's not on the agenda.

1506
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,079
So, is there anybody in the schoolhouse

1507
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,559
that has oral communications?

1508
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:57,109
So, I see no hands in the schoolhouse

1509
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:59,520
and

1510
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,160
I see two hands.

1511
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,720
So, a Zoom user

1512
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,549
might be Dana.

1513
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,400
» Uh, hi. Is PG& still there?

1514
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,640
>> No, I'm afraid she left

1515
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,079
>> because I had a hell of a lot of

1516
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,040
questions for her. Anyway, that's too

1517
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,160
bad.

1518
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,640
>> Yeah, my my apologies. That that would

1519
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,000
have been um

1520
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,280
>> I mean, they do a lot of things that are incorrect, especially with their

1521
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,160
trees, and it's and it's going to it's

1522
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,359
going to make fire danger worse. Okay.

1523
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:38,400
Thank you.

1524
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,680
>> Yeah. So, Dana, I did Dana, I did try to

1525
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,839
press her a little bit on that and maybe

1526
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:45,760
if you reach out to me, um, I can put

1527
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,520
you in touch with her and maybe we can

1528
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,280
get some of that information to her.

1529
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,119
>> Well, I think it would have happened a

1530
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,440
lot better in public

1531
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,079
>> had everyone heard what really happens

1532
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:59,040
with their street tree pruning. I

1533
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,040
>> I agree. That's what I was trying to

1534
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,160
pressure on as well.

1535
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,119
>> Thank you.

1536
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,280
Dana.

1537
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:18,150
Caroline, you're up next.

1538
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,079
Caroline, you're still on mute. There we

1539
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:24,230
go.

1540
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,680
» Can you hear me?

1541
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,440
>> We can. Welcome.

1542
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,839
>> Great. Thank you. Uh I was trying to

1543
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:39,040
raise my hand and I couldn't. So um I concur with several comments. Um

1544
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,400
PG&E has been a disaster, but I welcome

1545
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,880
the enthusiasm and the willingness of

1546
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,480
this young person who is trying to help

1547
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,440
Pulla Valley residents. Um I have

1548
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,960
several reports where staff has no clue

1549
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,079
what to do when there's a power outage.

1550
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,520
We have our own uh contacts and we have

1551
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,240
helped the town restore uh power outages

1552
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,240
for

1553
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,359
I'm I'm not involved because I have

1554
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,520
solar power but uh there's many

1555
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,720
districts in this area who suffer from

1556
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,880
power outages and luckily because we

1557
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,599
have our own local uh contacts and then

1558
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,839
they're willing to help us restore it.

1559
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,319
It's it's a shame that the staff does

1560
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:31,200
not know who to contact and I hope that

1561
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,640
they will take this person um and and

1562
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,319
provide contact information so we can uh

1563
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:41,520
build on a on a brighter future and and

1564
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,960
find solutions to uh bring reliable

1565
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,960
energy beh reliable energy to our

1566
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,039
community. Um

1567
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,960
so after this presentation from Pen I

1568
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,720
assume that you no longer are pursuing

1569
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,200
uh undergrounding

1570
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,839
um infrastructure

1571
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:08,559
and I advise you uh that might be best

1572
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:13,119
because Palmer Lane has had underground

1573
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,599
uh infrastructure and it has not helped

1574
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,000
because they don't maintain it. uh water

1575
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,039
goes in the lines and if PG&E doesn't

1576
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,640
maintain it um

1577
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,640
that's why we were forced even before um

1578
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,839
PCNE uh promoted uh their own energy uh

1579
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:39,039
solutions uh to have solar power because

1580
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,119
otherwise we would not function in Porto

1581
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,520
Valley and and and there's so many

1582
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,079
issues and I hope we can find people who

1583
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,920
are willing

1584
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,319
to come to uh common sense solutions

1585
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:57,920
because you continue to

1586
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,640
uh to rely on all these consultants

1587
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,760
planning and planning. if it it doesn't

1588
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,640
work, you have to come to real solutions

1589
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,359
uh because that will is the only way

1590
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:15,920
that you will keep residents happy in

1591
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,559
this town. Thank you.

1592
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,670
>> Thank you, Carolyn.

1593
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,430
» Patty, you're up next.

1594
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:35,190
Hey, good evening. Um

1595
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,839
good evening. Uh just another plug for

1596
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:40,480
the fair this Saturday. Emergency prep

1597
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,039
and safety uh wildfire preparedness

1598
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,440
committee will be there and we will have

1599
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,559
a booth that's focused primarily on

1600
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:52,000
firewise. We have a goal this year of

1601
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,839
covering Porto Valley 100% Firewise

1602
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:59,039
communities. We're 50% of the way there.

1603
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,599
If you'd like to stop by and wonder if

1604
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,240
you're covered, if you're not, if you'd

1605
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,480
like to know what it would take to be a

1606
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,599
leader or to be covered, we can help you

1607
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,400
um get awareness about what happens

1608
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,799
there. So, any kind of question about

1609
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:18,400
Firewise, stop by and see us. Thanks.

1610
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,119
>> Great. Thank you, Patty.

1611
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:24,480
All right. Anybody else in the room?

1612
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,599
Don't see any hands. Anyone else online?

1613
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,359
All right. I'm going to close oral

1614
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:31,200
communications and move on to the

1615
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,920
consent agenda. So, I will open the

1616
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,280
consent agenda up to public comment.

1617
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,680
Anybody in the schoolhouse wants to

1618
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,240
speak on the consent agenda? Don't see

1619
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,960
any hands.

1620
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,280
And Carolyn, I see your hand up the

1621
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,710
consent agenda.

1622
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,880
» So, once again, I would like to let you

1623
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,280
know that we cannot see whether our hand

1624
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,920
is up or not. that button doesn't

1625
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,319
function but thank you for allowing me

1626
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:02,960
to comment. Um, you got my public

1627
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,799
comment. Um, I have recused myself to

1628
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:12,799
participate in town council meetings and several subcommittee meetings

1629
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:15,920
because it's it's really it's it's it's

1630
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,039
draining. You know, you

1631
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,440
many of us have tried for over 20 years

1632
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,319
to find resolutions and and nothing gets

1633
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:27,520
done. So once again, I hope you will

1634
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:36,559
consider um what I the public comment I think I represent many owners in this

1635
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:39,760
residents in this community. Uh people

1636
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,480
have been silenced and so they wonder

1637
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,319
why they should speak up because nothing

1638
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,720
gets done. I hope you will reconsider

1639
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,000
that and provide us answer and really

1640
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,319
substantiate why you continue to work

1641
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:57,920
with an outdated contract, a contract

1642
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,039
that is so vague that does not allow

1643
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,119
accountability because you hold them

1644
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:04,640
harmless.

1645
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,839
And really, why do we need all these

1646
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,520
highly paid sheriffs when there's no

1647
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,000
crime, when there's no when they don't

1648
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,239
come out? when we report um

1649
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,679
illegal conduct. So really I think you

1650
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:24,799
have to resort to the data and then make

1651
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:27,600
your decision. So thank you so much for

1652
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,920
listening to me.

1653
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,839
>> Thank you Caroline.

1654
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,679
All right. Anybody else in the

1655
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:38,319
schoolhouse? Anyone else online?

1656
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,920
All right. Seeing none, I will close

1657
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,679
public comment, bring it back to the

1658
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:45,279
council. Um, are there any items that

1659
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,080
council members want to pull?

1660
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,400
>> I want to pull 6A just because I want to

1661
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,440
recuse myself and there's a one change I

1662
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,319
want to make to the notes.

1663
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:01,600
>> Um, and you need to abstain or

1664
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:02,159
>> Yes.

1665
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:06,000
>> Okay. Yeah. So, all right. So, so 6A for

1666
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,560
an extension. Got it. Any

1667
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,040
>> 6 D

1668
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,030
>> D is in dog. Okay.

1669
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:20,960
Anything else? Okay. And then um what I'm going to do rather than poll

1670
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,120
6A, I'm going to basically do the same

1671
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,080
thing with 6J, which is the Woodside

1672
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,239
Highlands Road Maintenance District. Um

1673
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:29,520
we're just going to have separate votes

1674
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,159
on that. And that way you can abstain on

1675
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:35,600
6A and I can abstain on 6 um J. I

1676
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,679
>> I also have a change I want to make make

1677
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:40,080
to the 6A. Okay. Then then we'll we'll

1678
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,080
pull it.

1679
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,480
Okay, why don't we start with 6A?

1680
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:47,279
>> So, I I think we should list Aaron

1681
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,759
Fannon Steel's full name instead of just

1682
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:52,880
listing him as Aaron at Atlas Planning.

1683
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,440
It's on page two

1684
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,840
of that minutes. So, his last name is

1685
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,148
spelled P F A N E N S T I E L.

1686
01:10:05,148 --> 01:10:14,390
[laughter]

1687
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,600
Okay. So, is that it? All right. Any

1688
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,239
other comments on 6A?

1689
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:23,520
All right. I would take motion for 6A.

1690
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,520
>> So moved.

1691
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,120
>> Seconded.

1692
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,840
>> A motion in a second. All in favor?

1693
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,800
>> I.

1694
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,840
>> Any nos? Any abstensions? One

1695
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,243
abstension. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Let's

1696
01:10:37,243 --> 01:10:41,110
[clears throat] move on to 6D.

1697
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,239
» Go ahead, Judah.

1698
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,199
>> Okay. So, I have a question um and then

1699
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,320
a a comment. I'll ask my question, which

1700
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,640
is I understand the intent is that we're

1701
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,239
approving

1702
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,560
the costs that are set out in the

1703
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:02,960
schedule B. I guess the intent is

1704
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,880
well, what is the intent? Are we

1705
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,920
agreeing to that for four years or is it

1706
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,880
the intent to be one year?

1707
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,320
Can you explain?

1708
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,239
>> Yeah, the intent is to just approved a

1709
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,440
budget for one year. We do not have a

1710
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,280
budget for future years. The contract

1711
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:25,920
stipulates that the county must pro

1712
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,239
provide the proposed rates to the town

1713
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:32,640
by April 1st. So, we will get those next

1714
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,239
year.

1715
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,600
So logically speaking, we'll get them by

1716
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,920
April next year, but we have to give

1717
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,840
notice not less than 12 months prior

1718
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,719
uh to a termination. So essentially,

1719
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,480
we're we're signing up for a year and

1720
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:52,709
three quarters at a minimum.

1721
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:55,120
There is another provision for

1722
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,320
termination um 5.3

1723
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,199
y uh allowing the town to terminate um

1724
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:07,360
based on the town's unavailability of funds by providing

1725
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,719
written notice to county as soon as

1726
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:10,400
reasonably possible after the town

1727
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,840
learns of said is said unavail un un

1728
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,320
availability of funding. I do read that

1729
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,760
as allowing another path for termination

1730
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,400
in the event that the county increases

1731
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,239
the rates

1732
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,880
significantly for the next fiscal year

1733
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,480
that the town would not be in a position

1734
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:31,440
to pay for the increased service or

1735
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,120
increase charges. But is the legal

1736
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,760
standard of unavailability meaning

1737
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,679
there's a dime in the bank and you have

1738
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:41,440
to pay the dime or is it a decision by

1739
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,560
the council that this is not a sensible

1740
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,280
budget? Like what is unavailable?

1741
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:48,960
And if you don't know, we should at

1742
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,960
least admit that we're signing up for

1743
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,760
possibly a year and three quarters, I

1744
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,239
think.

1745
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:57,040
>> Yeah. It it is uh not a defined term in

1746
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:57,920
the contract.

1747
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,480
>> Yeah. So, we'd have to argue what what

1748
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,159
that means if that ever happened,

1749
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,040
>> right?

1750
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,280
>> Um

1751
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,960
Okay. Um and Craig, if I just make the

1752
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,679
comment and then see I have comments on

1753
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:11,920
this.

1754
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,280
>> Yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

1755
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:13,840
Please.

1756
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,920
>> Yeah. I've said this before. This

1757
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,400
contract is a contract of adhesion as

1758
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,840
far as lawyers go. Um that means there's

1759
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,560
objectionable terms and we have no other

1760
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,120
choice. So, we are going to agree to it

1761
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,280
because we don't have another choice.

1762
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,239
Um, and we've tried to negotiate and see

1763
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,320
flexibility and there have been none. Is

1764
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,000
that correct, Darcy?

1765
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,440
>> That is correct.

1766
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,400
>> Yeah. So, I think, you know, I want to

1767
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,920
acknowledge the public's comments that,

1768
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:49,440
you know, this is a bad contract. It's one that's one-sided and the

1769
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,080
sheriff has sole discretion. This county

1770
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,880
has a huge amount of discretion. the

1771
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,600
allocation of costs that would normally

1772
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,640
in business be overhead and not

1773
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,320
chargeable or chargeable in part is uh

1774
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,920
not there. And I I do think we we all

1775
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,159
just ought to be acknowledging that for

1776
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:14,080
the public. And what that leads me to is

1777
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,760
a comment that the county at some point

1778
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,000
has to realize it's unsustainable for

1779
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,199
individual towns such as us and that

1780
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,360
there's got to be a better methodology.

1781
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,159
There's got to be a more transparent

1782
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:27,679
discussion. If the dollars are not

1783
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:30,400
there, they're not there. But this has

1784
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,640
been a very frustrating process and I've

1785
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,400
seen this for years. So, I I think we

1786
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,560
got to do what's right by the town to

1787
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,840
get some um support, but but I I just

1788
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,480
really want to express the frustration

1789
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,600
that I envision and really send a

1790
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,120
message that this is getting to the

1791
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,360
point of so much pain. we are going to

1792
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,800
be forced to evaluate and see what is

1793
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,600
the right level um relative to where we

1794
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,640
are today and what is it that we're

1795
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,440
going to be getting if we need to pair

1796
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:06,480
back given our financial situation. So

1797
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,880
um I might be saying the obvious but I

1798
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,440
do feel the need given the size of the

1799
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,320
contract and the proportion of our

1800
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,760
budget that it constitutes.

1801
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,159
>> Okay. Other comments on 6D?

1802
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:24,239
>> I I Yeah, go ahead. I do. Um

1803
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,239
yeah, I agree completely with what

1804
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:28,000
Judith is saying, but I also wanted to

1805
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,679
bring up, you know, I I felt the same

1806
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:31,440
that this contract is very vague and

1807
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,000
it's always in their favor. Um the

1808
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,440
overtime is um

1809
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,199
my theory about the overtime is that

1810
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:40,560
we're kind of being punished for the

1811
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:41,840
fact that they're unable to hire

1812
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,719
adequate staff. So they've taken the

1813
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:46,400
entire overtime and some people are

1814
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,600
making 700,000 a year because of over

1815
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,840
>> taken the entire sum and then subdivided

1816
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,880
it up per per you know per deputy and

1817
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,760
then voiced the cost on to to everybody

1818
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:58,960
regardless of whether they're the

1819
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,120
deputies that are actually patrolling us

1820
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,159
or generating overtime. Um and then the

1821
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,480
contract doesn't give us really any real

1822
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:10,719
details about how much time each deputy

1823
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,840
route is actually spending in our town.

1824
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,920
And instead it's the very contract

1825
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,440
starts at the very beginning with a

1826
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:21,840
comment about the fact that um

1827
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,880
the deputies routes do not necessarily

1828
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,440
just involve our town limit. that a

1829
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,679
deputy's route could very very clearly

1830
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,199
go through the middle of Menlo Park,

1831
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:32,800
then through Lera, then through us, and

1832
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,239
then through Los Trangos, and that would

1833
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,239
be their route for the day. And so, it's

1834
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,159
really unclear to me how much actual

1835
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,480
time we have for these people to be

1836
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,840
actually patrolling in our streets. And

1837
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,239
the one of the things that that I have a

1838
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,320
concern about is let me pull up the

1839
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,080
contract was um I think 2.5

1840
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,120
where it says that if a deputy if the

1841
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,640
sheriff determines that a particular

1842
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,880
deputy needs to work overtime

1843
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,199
o over and above their assigned route

1844
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:04,719
and they have to go overtime. But then

1845
01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:06,320
we would get charged an additional

1846
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,239
overtime fee on top of what the overtime

1847
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,760
we're already paying for these people,

1848
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,920
which is 30% of their actual salary. So

1849
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,880
to me, 30% of someone's annual salary is

1850
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,480
what,

1851
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,239
three extra months or something of

1852
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:25,520
overtime. It it just the numbers don't

1853
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,159
quite work out for us. And I know we

1854
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,480
have no choice about this, but uh right

1855
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,199
now today, but I think we still need to

1856
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:36,000
continue to explore options. And I know

1857
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,719
they've refused to cut it down, but in

1858
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,480
ter giving us options of having a little

1859
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:44,159
bit less deputies or whatever, but we

1860
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:48,400
have to continue to explore options.

1861
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,159
>> Thank you, Ellen.

1862
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,239
>> So, I appreciate my colleagues comments

1863
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,880
on this contract. Um, I would also note

1864
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,760
that we seem to

1865
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,159
ha be overstaffed and I'm I I worry

1866
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:05,360
about overtime for like zots uh zots to

1867
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,000
tats or zot right what's it I always get

1868
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,840
the name wrong z to tats

1869
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,199
>> zots tots zots tots thank you [laughter]

1870
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,040
um but then like pb puzza which is not

1871
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,320
actually a town event but we we are you

1872
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,560
know we might have to pay extra for PB

1873
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,760
Palooa. So I am concerned that the

1874
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,480
contract doesn't you know clarify our

1875
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,320
special events. We do have the an you

1876
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,400
know very much the same annual events

1877
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,000
every year. Um so that is of concern to

1878
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,760
me as well. So um thank you.

1879
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,120
>> Thank you.

1880
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,520
>> Any comments? Mary?

1881
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,280
>> Um so the only other thing I would add

1882
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,080
on is we do have a new sheriff. Um, and

1883
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,640
we do have a new senior staff under the

1884
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,560
sheriff. And that's not to say that this

1885
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,640
is a good contract. I'm not going there.

1886
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,960
Um, but I would recommend that we get

1887
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,199
our list of issues and we bring them to

1888
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,760
the captain. Um, I found him to be open

1889
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,760
and receptive. It's not necessarily that

1890
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,719
things are going to change tomorrow, but

1891
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,800
they're at least opening to listen. And

1892
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,480
before I'm not even sure they were they

1893
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,239
were such disarray that they they

1894
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,560
couldn't even do that. Um, I can also

1895
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,760
say that they get a lot of pressure from

1896
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,000
the county in terms of expenses. So, it

1897
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,760
is a complicated thing and I'm I'm not

1898
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,800
trying to justify it, but I I have met

1899
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,760
their senior staff now. Um, and it is a

1900
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,960
market improvement over so it gives me a

1901
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,199
glimmer of hope. So, I I just would add

1902
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:36,320
that to it. So, okay. Um, so I would

1903
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:41,030
entertain a motion to approve 6D.

1904
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,719
» I move to approve 6D.

1905
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:46,400
Second.

1906
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,120
>> Second.

1907
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,159
>> Motion in a second. All in favor?

1908
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,040
>> I.

1909
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,360
>> All right. Passes unanimously. Right.

1910
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,000
The next one is 6J.

1911
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,239
This is the road maintenance district.

1912
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,880
Um I'm I would entertain a motion for

1913
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,040
this. I need to abstain.

1914
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,880
>> So moved.

1915
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,239
>> Second.

1916
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:07,600
>> All in favor?

1917
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,400
>> I.

1918
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,560
>> Any opposed? Any abstensions? I abstain.

1919
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,960
All right. And mayor, if I if I could,

1920
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,199
um just to clarify, your uh vote would

1921
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,360
actually be a recusal uh because you

1922
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,440
have a financial conflict of interest.

1923
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,800
Um whereas uh Council Flynn's um uh vote

1924
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,960
on the minutes was an abstension because

1925
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,320
that was simply because she was not

1926
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,040
present at the meeting.

1927
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,719
>> I I recused myself from

1928
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:31,840
>> Thank you. And because this is on

1929
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,880
consent, that's why because as a consent

1930
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,640
item, um council members do not need to

1931
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,800
leave the room uh for those items.

1932
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:39,760
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1933
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:40,560
>> Correction.

1934
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,120
>> All right. Which leaves us with a motion

1935
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:47,120
for the rest of them, which is 6 B C E F

1936
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,960
G H I K L M N O.

1937
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,239
>> So moved.

1938
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:53,199
>> Second.

1939
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:54,800
>> Thank you. I have a motion in a second.

1940
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:55,840
All in favor?

1941
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:56,960
>> I.

1942
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,000
>> Any opposed? All right. As unanimously.

1943
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,480
All right. Close out the consent agenda.

1944
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,199
Move on to the public hearing. So, the

1945
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:11,199
first item is public hearing on the

1946
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:12,880
recreation fees and the master fee

1947
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,800
schedule update. Tony, you have a staff

1948
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:27,110
report.

1949
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,480
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening,

1950
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:32,550
members of council.

1951
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:54,709
Presation, excuse me.

1952
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,880
I do have a very brief presentation.

1953
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,520
This is a continuation of the first

1954
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:00,400
public hearing [clears throat] where we

1955
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,560
adopted the planning, building and

1956
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,560
engineering and administration fees and

1957
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,639
continued uh the recreation fees uh for

1958
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:11,440
to tonight's meeting. Um and we were

1959
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,840
also directed to work with the parks and

1960
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,840
recck committee uh to review the

1961
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,800
recommended fees. Uh we did meet with

1962
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,639
the parks and recck committee uh

1963
01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:23,520
representatives. Uh we did uh review

1964
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,120
some of the fees or we actually reviewed

1965
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,440
all the fees. Uh listen to their

1966
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,159
recommendations. One request that they

1967
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,600
have is that they want to have more time

1968
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,000
to uh do further analysis and study of

1969
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
the fees and possibly come back with a

1970
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,719
more formal uh recommendation either at

1971
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:46,159
midyear or for next year's budget. But

1972
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:49,920
to go through the um in your packet, you

1973
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,679
did receive um the amended fee schedule.

1974
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:56,000
Uh the red lines were the changes or the

1975
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,280
amended uh proposals. Um, but for my

1976
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:04,719
presentation, I'm going to review the fees that were changed. The first

1977
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:08,639
slide has uh the rentals for classes.

1978
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:11,040
Um, the first fee was a processing fee.

1979
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,320
The matrix had recommended $197.

1980
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,320
Uh, staff is recommending $45 and to be

1981
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,040
applied to only new instructors. Uh,

1982
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,400
existing instructors will be

1983
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,679
grandfathered in. Um, also an amendment

1984
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:29,040
is for the um, insurance at the town.

1985
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,639
>> Hey, Tony. Yeah, you might put this in

1986
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,000
presentation mode just so it's a little

1987
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,738
bit larger for people.

1988
01:23:34,738 --> 01:23:35,199
[clears throat]

1989
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:37,120
>> I did. Apologies.

1990
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:46,390
>> Yeah, no worries.

1991
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,320
Okay. So, uh going back um for

1992
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,960
insurance, uh if the town is purchasing

1993
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,199
the insurance, uh the applicant is

1994
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:57,840
charged carrier rate. Uh we will also

1995
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,719
include a $45 processing fee. However,

1996
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,320
if you are a new instructor, we will

1997
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,239
wave the $45 processing fee because

1998
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:05,920
you're already paying the processing fee

1999
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,400
when we um sign up with the initial

2000
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,400
contract. Um, and then for the rentals

2001
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,960
of community hall, there will be a

2002
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,760
application processing fee of $492,

2003
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,880
which is the matrix recommended uh fee,

2004
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,679
and staff agrees. And this will only

2005
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:25,760
apply to when you're renting out the

2006
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,040
entire hall. Um, if you're renting the

2007
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,800
Buckeye or Alder room, it'll be a $45

2008
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,880
processing fee. Um, and then another new

2009
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,080
fee is a cleaning fee. Uh this is a $25

2010
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,880
per hour fee and this will be applied if

2011
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,600
the town has to do additional cleaning

2012
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,000
uh after the rental period is over and

2013
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,480
it'll be reduced from the initial

2014
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,719
deposit. If the amount of cleaning

2015
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,400
exceeds the amount of the deposit then

2016
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,440
obviously the the applicant will be um

2017
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,840
charged for the excess.

2018
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,679
And then another new fee is the public

2019
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:05,120
agency fee. Um this is going to be a,028

2020
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,800
per event. Um, we do have several uh

2021
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,840
public agencies, the county being uh

2022
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,679
probably the largest user of our

2023
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:16,000
community hall and for sometimes they

2024
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,440
have events that last three or four

2025
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,719
days. Um, and they have like department

2026
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:24,800
well wellness uh or wellness benefit

2027
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,840
fairs. Um, and so they they take up

2028
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,280
parking, they take up the community

2029
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,440
hall, they take up uh the entire town

2030
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,000
hall area. Uh, so we'll be implementing

2031
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,440
a [clears throat]

2032
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:39,360
$1,000 28 fee for public agency rentals.

2033
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,679
And then we're also adding a key deposit

2034
01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,600
of $150.

2035
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,960
Um, matrix, oh, I'm sorry, I have that

2036
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,520
backwards. Matrix had recommended 140.

2037
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,639
We're recommending 150 as staff. Um, so

2038
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:54,960
that was for community hall rentals and

2039
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,840
for classes.

2040
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,000
>> And Tony, these are per day or per

2041
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,040
event.

2042
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,880
>> So if I have a three-day event, it's

2043
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,830
$1,000. Okay.

2044
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,840
And then [clears throat] moving on to

2045
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,760
the sport user fees. Um this was

2046
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,199
probably the item that had the most

2047
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:16,239
comments uh during the public hearing.

2048
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,320
Um after meeting with the parks and

2049
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,760
wreck uh committee members. Um the

2050
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,719
recommendation is to increase the fees

2051
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,719
by 10%.

2052
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:30,000
um still leaving the the local organized

2053
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,920
youth leagues like AYSO at $48 per

2054
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,120
person. Um and the local organized youth

2055
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:42,960
clubs go from 67 to 72. Um or sorry 74.

2056
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,920
Uh the local organized adult leagues 67

2057
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,280
to 74. Then the local organized adult

2058
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,040
clubs go from 100 to 110. Uh we have

2059
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,440
parsed out the town courts from the

2060
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:59,520
sport user fee uh category and uh

2061
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,120
adopted to not recommend a fee increase.

2062
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,400
So that fee will stay at $100 uh per

2063
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,440
person uh for picnic spaces of Little

2064
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,520
People's Park. We're recommending a $10

2065
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,760
increase uh to match with matrix

2066
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,480
recommendation. And then with the Ford

2067
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,800
field parking lot, uh there's a

2068
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,639
commercial rate that we're going to

2069
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:24,159
implement. It goes from 108 to $117.

2070
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,760
And um and I forgot to type in uh

2071
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,199
there's a staff consulting time fee. Uh

2072
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,080
the current rate was $65, but the first

2073
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,360
hour was free. Um and then the $65

2074
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,520
kicked in after the first hour was over.

2075
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,480
Uh we're implementing a $246

2076
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,960
fee, which is the amount of time it

2077
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,280
would spend for staff to spend one hour

2078
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,239
of consulting. So, the $246 will be

2079
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:52,480
applied as soon as the the first hour

2080
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,960
starts.

2081
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,120
So, that's a breakdown of the new fees

2082
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,800
in the uh recommended fee schedule for

2083
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,600
uh community hall rentals and park and

2084
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,239
field rentals. So, that concludes my

2085
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:07,840
presentation. Turn to back to council

2086
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:08,960
for questions.

2087
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,679
>> Thank you, Tony. Questions?

2088
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:14,719
Do you have any questions?

2089
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:16,159
Right.

2090
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,679
>> Um, thank you Tony and for uh these

2091
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:22,800
updates. Um,

2092
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,679
in terms of the

2093
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:29,679
uh per field per hour rate to simpler to

2094
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,719
bill versus the per user fee for field

2095
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:33,920
usage.

2096
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,440
>> Yeah, it's it's $48 per

2097
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,800
participant. Like so if a team has 10,

2098
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,000
it's $480. So it just it it works. So

2099
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,920
don't break it. But would it be easier

2100
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,480
to do a flat per field per hour kind?

2101
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:51,360
>> That's what the parks and recck

2102
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,520
committee wants to do with their

2103
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,719
analysis to actually look at whether to

2104
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:59,520
have a per hour rate or uh using the

2105
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,360
existing fee structure.

2106
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:01,840
>> Okay.

2107
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,280
>> But we just we didn't have enough time

2108
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,080
to complete that analysis because these

2109
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,920
need to be put into place by July 1st.

2110
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,880
>> Okay. Um,

2111
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,760
in terms of the Redwood Grove for group

2112
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,360
size, like you wouldn't want to do a a

2113
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,480
tier rate of like 25

2114
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:24,000
people, $50 for under 25 at $100 for 25

2115
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,280
and over kind of thing.

2116
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,920
>> Um, that would require more analysis,

2117
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,400
but again, it's something that we can do

2118
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,840
um for the next fiscal year. Um, and

2119
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,199
then what about the maintenance of a

2120
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,679
concrete? You know, concrete, I'm not

2121
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:42,400
clay, I don't know which is pickle ball

2122
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,520
court being

2123
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,840
lower maintenance than a field. So, the

2124
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,440
costs. So, for the budget this year, I

2125
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:54,400
did rearrange a little bit the parks and

2126
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,320
fields. I did there's a separate line

2127
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,120
item for court maintenance. Um and it's

2128
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:00,639
separate from parks and field

2129
01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:02,719
maintenance. But yeah, it's we want to

2130
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:05,600
keep track of the actual costs for

2131
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:06,880
maintaining the courts.

2132
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,080
>> So because right now pickle ball the

2133
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,239
court users pickle ball and tennis are

2134
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,159
charged the same as the field users. So

2135
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:15,840
at this point we don't know

2136
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:16,159
>> right

2137
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,639
>> the maintenance difference. Okay.

2138
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:22,560
>> Um let me and then um I saw for sport

2139
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,440
groups I saw locally organized youth

2140
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,560
leagues versus clubs. AYSO for instance

2141
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,159
versus club soccer, right? Um, but I

2142
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,480
didn't see little league. Where does the

2143
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:35,520
little league fit into?

2144
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,520
>> They would be the leagues, the local

2145
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:38,880
organized youth leagues.

2146
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:44,880
>> Okay. And I think that's my questions.

2147
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,239
Yes, that's all. Thank you.

2148
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,360
>> Thank you, Helen. Mary,

2149
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,120
>> I have a tiny question of $25 per hour

2150
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,719
for cleaning. Uh is that a how do you uh

2151
01:30:56,719 --> 01:31:00,400
how do you do that? Um, and why why

2152
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,199
>> I mean and and that does that cost cover

2153
01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:06,159
the cost for an hour of cleaning and and

2154
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:07,920
why do we not have it?

2155
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,719
>> It probably would not cover the cost of

2156
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:14,400
an hour, but we did it's again have the

2157
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,080
applicant with a little skin in the game

2158
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,719
to keep the facility clean knowing that

2159
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:20,719
they will have to pay extra

2160
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:22,080
>> if um

2161
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,040
>> why not make it meet the cost? I mean,

2162
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,159
the the incentive is there to uh to just

2163
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,480
let you guys clean it at $25 an hour and

2164
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:31,040
take the

2165
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:32,960
>> If you want us to charge the hourly rate

2166
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:37,360
or the rate it costs for the cleaning,

2167
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,120
then we can we can amend the fee

2168
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:39,600
schedule.

2169
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:40,639
>> What's wrong with that? Because then

2170
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:42,159
they clean up after themselves.

2171
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:43,360
>> Do that. We can do that.

2172
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,520
>> Well, that would be my suggestion.

2173
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,960
>> Okay.

2174
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,239
>> I would I would need I would need

2175
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:50,960
concurrence of council to do that.

2176
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,719
>> Is that something we can do? It seems

2177
01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:55,840
like too minor appointed, but it it

2178
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,480
jumps out at me because uh I'd be jump

2179
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:00,239
at the chance to get cleaning done for

2180
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:01,040
$25.

2181
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,920
>> But I mean it's we've we've the

2182
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,280
frequency of that happening is not it's

2183
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:11,199
been infrequent that um although we did

2184
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:12,480
have an example.

2185
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:13,520
>> Yeah. and and

2186
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:19,280
>> so but the the um the um we have not had

2187
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,840
to have additional cleaning after an

2188
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,320
event at community hall in quite some

2189
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,520
time.

2190
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,840
>> But can I just say the town contracts

2191
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,400
for our janitorial services and it's

2192
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,960
infrequent. So, I guess I would just be

2193
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,520
cautioner. I would caution you that we

2194
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,600
don't necessarily have a janitor a

2195
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,840
janitorial contract in place to support

2196
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,719
what you're describing or janitorial

2197
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:46,239
services are not daily. They're

2198
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:48,159
and we they're not necessarily available

2199
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,800
on call to do what you're doing.

2200
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,400
>> But it would staff would probably have

2201
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:52,960
to

2202
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,560
>> Yeah. And then staff would have to clean

2203
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,159
that. And that's not we don't really

2204
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,320
have this. We may not have the ability

2205
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,000
to do that from a staffing or

2206
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,360
contractual perspective.

2207
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:02,800
>> I don't get it. If you're if you're only

2208
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,120
charging $25 an hour for leaving it a

2209
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,360
mess, what kind of incentive is that for

2210
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,719
not leaving it a mess?

2211
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:12,639
>> Staff for being doing the work. That

2212
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:13,840
should be even higher.

2213
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,360
>> Yeah. I'd say if that if that's the

2214
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:16,000
case,

2215
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,400
>> we have the deposit though. That is what

2216
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,560
we use if someone leaves a unusual mess,

2217
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,080
>> which hasn't happened.

2218
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,000
>> I see what you're saying. Okay, I get

2219
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,440
it. I guess.

2220
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:31,760
>> And we are charging, you know, $2,777

2221
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,040
just to use the room. So,

2222
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,120
>> and we have a big deposit, right?

2223
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,880
>> And we have $1,000 deposit.

2224
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:43,440
>> Okay, I understand. Judith

2225
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:44,159
>> Mike.

2226
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:48,800
>> So I um just have a a framework question

2227
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,960
because the comments that were submitted

2228
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,639
by members of the parks and recck

2229
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:56,400
committee um you said that they want to

2230
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,320
do more analysis. So inherent in in that

2231
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,639
I think is we should not be adopting

2232
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:08,480
these without further analysis as as

2233
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:11,360
proposed by them and their comments or

2234
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:16,400
are we free to do that? Like what's the risk of considering them now without

2235
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:17,679
the analysis?

2236
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,800
>> Council can say we're not going to adopt

2237
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,120
these recommended fees. We're going to

2238
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:27,040
remain with the existing fees.

2239
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,040
But well, but some of these are new and

2240
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,639
they want to structure them differently,

2241
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,159
right? They're they're different dollar

2242
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:34,880
amounts.

2243
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,960
>> We want to implement new fees. Yes. But

2244
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,120
we also have existing fees that are

2245
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,120
being amended and adjusted.

2246
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:41,520
>> Yeah.

2247
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,800
>> Um if you you say no to this action

2248
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,040
tonight, then it's whatever the current

2249
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,760
fees are right now is what's going to be

2250
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:50,960
put in place

2251
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,320
>> for that item.

2252
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,520
>> Yeah. Um, I'm just trying to get to a

2253
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,199
point of is it practical to consider

2254
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:01,760
these now or should do I is I think

2255
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,679
forward because these are good ideas. I

2256
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,800
just don't know how to think about them

2257
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,719
six months or a year's time. It does

2258
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:09,840
seem like I'd be more

2259
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,480
>> a professional. We had a professional

2260
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:13,280
firm

2261
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:13,920
>> exactly

2262
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,920
>> review make recommendations.

2263
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,159
>> Yeah. and they've they've determined the

2264
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:19,679
actual cost

2265
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:22,400
>> for the town to perform that service,

2266
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:23,440
>> right?

2267
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:28,080
>> Um, you know, I I get the wanting the

2268
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,520
per hour.

2269
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,719
>> Um, that's more of analysis and and it's

2270
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:34,880
also they're going to look at more of

2271
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,120
the area, the the surroundings, which

2272
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,719
Matrix did.

2273
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:41,360
>> U, but um I mean, but they're the

2274
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,679
professionals. this is what they do

2275
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:46,800
>> and and this is the study is actually

2276
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,440
going to be more defensible than what

2277
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:53,520
the committee is going to come up with.

2278
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:59,600
>> Yeah. So that goes to the risk of our fees being challenged there.

2279
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,040
>> If we go with a professional

2280
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,120
recommendation, they're less subject to

2281
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,679
challenge. It's possible this committee

2282
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:08,159
can do an analysis that right helps us

2283
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:09,679
get more Okay, thank you. That's the

2284
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:12,159
framework I needed.

2285
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:13,840
And and you did incorporate some of

2286
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,360
their changes. I mean, some of the

2287
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:16,320
>> Oh, I did. Yeah.

2288
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,600
>> 10% increases.

2289
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,760
>> Yeah, they were, you know, just do a 10%

2290
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,480
increase. Uh they were also asking for

2291
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:25,440
the court maintenance to be separated.

2292
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:27,600
So, we did listen to what they were

2293
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,840
saying. Um but there's some fees that we feel as staff that we need to

2294
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:32,560
implement.

2295
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:33,840
>> Thank you,

2296
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,120
>> Rebecca.

2297
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,719
>> Yeah. I I wanted to clarify a comment

2298
01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:45,331
you made um about the agency event hall

2299
01:36:45,331 --> 01:36:45,520
[clears throat]

2300
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,080
>> fee of,028

2301
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,679
and I'm looking at um

2302
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:54,080
what was put in the packet and it says

2303
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,000
it's per day

2304
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,679
>> then I spoke.

2305
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:00,239
>> Okay, great. Because I was not in favor

2306
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:03,119
of five days for the same price of one.

2307
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:04,719
Um,

2308
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:07,920
okay. And then it seemed like that

2309
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,840
residents were not going to be charged

2310
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,760
at all.

2311
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,560
>> No, we're we're we're taking away

2312
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,239
resident fee, non-resident. We're just

2313
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:17,679
it's calling it rental fee.

2314
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,639
>> Okay. Okay. So then the rental fee

2315
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:21,920
whether they're resident or not, they're

2316
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,080
charged 277.

2317
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,320
Now I wasn't clear. Yeah. I think um

2318
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,560
Karen Asi in her comment also made the

2319
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,040
same comment about I wasn't actually

2320
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,280
clear what the full cost was going to be

2321
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,520
if somebody wants to rent the hall

2322
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:36,320
because you've [clears throat] got the

2323
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,280
2777 you've got the $1,000 deposit

2324
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,000
you've got the 150 key deposit and then

2325
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,600
there's some other charges that may or

2326
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,239
may not apply applications fees.

2327
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:48,800
>> Yeah. So

2328
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,320
what you have in front of you is our

2329
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,560
master fee schedule. It lists all the

2330
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,080
fees.

2331
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,119
That's its purpose. Karen was more

2332
01:37:57,119 --> 01:37:58,480
concerned about how's it presented.

2333
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,040
Well, that will be presented when we

2334
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,960
individual conversations with the

2335
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,040
applicant. This is how much it's going

2336
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,560
to cost and this is how much this is

2337
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,560
what your fee is going to cover. But we

2338
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,280
will have that conversation with the

2339
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,880
applicant and we're also going to have

2340
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,760
it on the web page. This is what your

2341
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,639
fee covers. So you're planning to have

2342
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:20,320
you have your master fee schedule will

2343
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,600
be one document [clears throat] and then

2344
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:22,639
you're going to have something on the

2345
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,320
website that'll say are you interested

2346
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,960
in v renting our community hall this is

2347
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,880
what it will cost if you're this kind of

2348
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,480
person. So you'll have all those fees

2349
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,000
listed so someone doesn't actually have

2350
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,360
to call in

2351
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:34,880
>> and ask right

2352
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,199
>> you want people to call in

2353
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:42,149
>> don't they get charged to do that though

2354
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:43,360
» regardless they're going to get a

2355
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,880
processing gap even if they do it

2356
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,360
online. No, but I mean I if I was

2357
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,040
planning a wedding, I'd want to know

2358
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,159
ahead of time how much it's going to

2359
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:51,520
cost. I wouldn't want to have to pay you

2360
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:52,639
to tell me how much.

2361
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:54,480
>> We also have to coordinate if they're

2362
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,080
doing a wedding. We have to coordinate

2363
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,360
with caterers, photographers,

2364
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,920
logistics of the area. So that's the

2365
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,600
part where the consultant time comes in

2366
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,000
with using staff and that's what Cindy

2367
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,000
has to do.

2368
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,679
>> I'm not quite following.

2369
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:10,960
>> Well, okay. If you're organizing a

2370
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,239
wedding and you're you want to have

2371
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:13,119
caterers, you want to have

2372
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:14,719
photographers, you have to have the

2373
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:17,040
logistics discussed at the community

2374
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,800
hall, you need to talk to somebody from

2375
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,080
staff. You can't just show up and do it.

2376
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,199
>> And you're saying that that logistics

2377
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,440
analysis

2378
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:30,080
will cost per hour a certain amount of

2379
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,920
fee. So if I were coming in to comparing

2380
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,760
prices from one place to the next for

2381
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,760
different venues to have a wedding,

2382
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,840
I I'm having a little trouble struggling

2383
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,803
to understand what the cost would be

2384
01:39:44,803 --> 01:39:45,679
[clears throat]

2385
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:48,000
at Portola Valley versus going to some

2386
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,520
vineyard where they probably just give

2387
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,280
me the price,

2388
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,320
>> right? But if you call them, ask them

2389
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,440
what's the price, what does that cover

2390
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:58,880
and then they'll break down this is what

2391
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,560
you get. You get the room for x amount

2392
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,199
of hours. You get use of these two rooms

2393
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:04,880
for

2394
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,800
uh your bridesmaids can use this room,

2395
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:08,239
the groomsman can use this room. you

2396
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:10,320
have access to the PL. I mean, you still

2397
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,119
have to have that conversation

2398
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:14,960
>> list. They may say it's going to be this

2399
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,239
is what it covers, but you're still

2400
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:18,239
going to have to talk to somebody to

2401
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:20,159
kind of go over all that to confirm it

2402
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,920
and to also schedule it with the the

2403
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:24,719
vendor,

2404
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:26,639
>> but they don't charge for that

2405
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:28,560
conversation. Are you going to be

2406
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,159
charging for that conversation?

2407
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:31,280
>> Some do.

2408
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,840
>> It's included in the cost because it it

2409
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,760
is their time that's that's going to be

2410
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,800
baked into the cost. We as a local

2411
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,679
agency have to spell out what our costs

2412
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:43,679
are.

2413
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:46,400
>> All right. Well, okay. I'm just hoping

2414
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,760
there'll be a lot of information on the

2415
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,560
website so that people don't have to use

2416
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,280
the staff time for just to find out that

2417
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,960
>> we'll have the same with planning and

2418
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,520
building and with planning and building

2419
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:58,800
as well.

2420
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,109
>> Okay. And then um [clears throat]

2421
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:05,760
uh so the for the court fees you you

2422
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,400
pulled it out into a separate line item

2423
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,480
because our professionals didn't

2424
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:14,960
actually look at the court fees.

2425
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:20,159
>> No, this was a request because the the comments that were being made is

2426
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:21,679
that the court fees were not included in

2427
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:24,080
the fee schedule. They were they were

2428
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,119
just included in the adult clubs.

2429
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,040
>> Okay. So that's the fees that were being

2430
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:32,320
used to charge the pickle ball users and

2431
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,119
the classes and the clubs for use of it

2432
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:37,119
was used. It was listed in the sports

2433
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,080
user fee category. All we've done is

2434
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,560
pulled it out and called it town courts.

2435
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,159
>> But the professionals looked at that in

2436
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,040
terms of grass fields or not or just

2437
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,880
>> they looked at maintenance across the

2438
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,800
board for all facilities.

2439
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,360
>> Okay. And then was there a reason why we

2440
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,199
decided not to have a different fee for

2441
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,600
resident versus non-resident?

2442
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,199
>> We just wanted to have one right now.

2443
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,800
But again, we'll do further analysis

2444
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:07,760
>> for next year. You're saying? Okay. Um,

2445
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,679
yeah, I guess that's those are my

2446
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:11,760
questions. Thank you.

2447
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,000
>> Thank you, Rebecca. And I'll just save

2448
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,800
mine for the discussion. So, is there

2449
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,600
any public comment on this item in the

2450
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,520
schoolhouse? Okay.

2451
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:24,960
And line.

2452
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,400
>> All right. We have one hand up.

2453
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,990
Christie,

2454
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,199
» welcome Christie.

2455
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:34,800
>> Yes. Hello. I was curious that you're

2456
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,080
going to charge parking lot from 108 to

2457
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:42,400
117. That is so low

2458
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,159
for

2459
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:47,040
Can you remind me how many acres our

2460
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,920
parking lot is for

2461
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:55,040
this? And we need to get our land value

2462
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,440
for

2463
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:01,119
parking each car. So, what does each car

2464
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:06,880
cost if we have 60 parking spaces and

2465
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,520
you're only going to charge 108 and

2466
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,440
you're going to up it to 117. That is

2467
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:17,760
not getting land values for our dollars

2468
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,119
in Porta Valley. So, I'm concerned with

2469
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:23,440
that.

2470
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:27,440
and the $25 for a cleaning fee. No

2471
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:31,679
cleaners charge $25 anymore. So, I agree

2472
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:34,560
with what was said earlier and I think

2473
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,199
we need to go with cleaning fees that

2474
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:43,430
are available now in this valley.

2475
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,360
And I'm going to leave it at that. Thank

2476
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:46,480
you.

2477
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:48,800
>> Thank you, Christie. Patty, you're up

2478
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,960
next.

2479
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,310
Hi,

2480
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,000
good evening. Um, I already submitted my

2481
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,040
comments, so I'll keep it short. Tony

2482
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,840
mentioned that the professionals

2483
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,080
um came up with most of the numbers that

2484
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,159
you're looking at. Keep in mind that the

2485
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:10,560
town directed matrix to develop the the

2486
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:15,040
uh fees. um as it relates to cost

2487
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,880
recovery.

2488
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,360
Um two things. Parks and Rec looked at

2489
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,872
it in terms of what are the competitive

2490
01:44:21,872 --> 01:44:23,840
[clears throat] rates because we truly

2491
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,840
believe that the people who use our

2492
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,480
fields and some of our facilities have

2493
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:31,040
options. Now the two are not just

2494
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,800
necessarily need to be you know at odds

2495
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,360
or separate. You can come up with both

2496
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,679
and compare them and reasonably look at

2497
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:42,400
them. But cost recovery and then

2498
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,239
deciding how you're going to subsidize

2499
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:47,840
it as you look at competitive rates was

2500
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,600
that parks and wreck wanted to um

2501
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,280
address.

2502
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,480
Second, um we did request that the court

2503
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:59,280
fees be pulled out separately and Tony

2504
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,880
complied. They are pulled out

2505
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,440
separately, but they're not different

2506
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,320
than the field fees. We asked for a cost

2507
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:11,119
recovery number on the um tennis courts.

2508
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,760
The town did not provide that, nor did

2509
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,119
matrix. So, they have no basis for the

2510
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:21,360
$100 other than it's what the fields.

2511
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,840
All we're asking for is look at it

2512
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,560
reasonably and say, should those be the

2513
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,600
same? We don't happen to think so. Um,

2514
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,199
we think [clears throat] parks and wreck

2515
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:36,080
can help over the next whatever year to

2516
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,440
move us closer to the type of rate

2517
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:42,480
structure that other towns are using,

2518
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:45,280
which is a per field, you know, per hour

2519
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:50,159
type of basis um versus the um per

2520
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:53,280
player cost recovery that the matrix and

2521
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:59,199
the town is proposing. Thank you, Patty.

2522
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:02,320
And can I add the the court user fee is

2523
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:06,880
actually $10 less than the adult club.

2524
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,239
There is there is a change.

2525
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,000
>> And presumably once you actually get

2526
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,840
costs then you may change it again.

2527
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,719
>> Yes.

2528
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:21,840
>> And in regards to the parking lot the value of the parking lot is based on

2529
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,800
the use of the parking lot and the other

2530
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,119
optional uses of the parking lot. The

2531
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:30,000
parking lot is only used for one and

2532
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,239
it's parking. And it's a dirt lot. And

2533
01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:34,320
the maintenance costs for a dirt lot on

2534
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:37,440
annual basis are not that expensive,

2535
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:43,030
which is why it's $117.

2536
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,080
» Okay. So, one last chance for public

2537
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,480
comment. I see no hands in the room. So,

2538
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,360
no hands on the line on the line. So,

2539
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:53,119
I'm going to close the public hearing

2540
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:56,239
and bring it back to the council.

2541
01:46:56,239 --> 01:47:02,870
Oh, final discussion on this item.

2542
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,440
» No, I think we need to get it passed.

2543
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:12,229
>> Okay,

2544
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:14,080
» Judah.

2545
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,560
>> Yeah. Um, you know, I would invite the

2546
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,960
parks and recck committee for the areas

2547
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,840
they want to explore further to do so

2548
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,119
over time. Um, you know, I think right

2549
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:28,320
now it's really important we approve new

2550
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,199
user fees so that we can start the next

2551
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:35,920
fiscal year or whenever they do apply um

2552
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,360
in a in a manner that's getting us uh

2553
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:42,000
better positioned to collect closer to

2554
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,280
value. Uh, so I'm pretty comfortable

2555
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,239
with this pretty much as it is, but I

2556
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,119
would be open to them coming back and

2557
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:52,800
looking at jurisdictions and seeing

2558
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,440
where we are in six months. Um, I'm

2559
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:57,280
really glad that we've done this and

2560
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,360
we're at the stage where we we have

2561
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,159
something to improve. Thank you,

2562
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:03,199
>> Rebecca.

2563
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,840
>> Um, in general, I do think we should

2564
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,840
move forward with this. I would raise

2565
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,119
the cleaning fees to probably $50 an

2566
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:13,040
hour just as a discouragement for

2567
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,119
leaving it dirty and also to at least

2568
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,840
recoup some of our costs. I would lower

2569
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,719
the court fees to probably $75 per

2570
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:26,080
person. Um and then yes, I think the um

2571
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,600
parks and recck should should continue

2572
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,760
to work on on more analysis so that we

2573
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,639
can uh understand the field versus the

2574
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:36,560
hour hourly rate versus the person rate.

2575
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,360
um and make modifications if it warrants

2576
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,440
next year.

2577
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:44,080
Otherwise, I think

2578
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,119
it is it is, you know, something we

2579
01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:48,960
should move forward with with just those

2580
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,840
couple changes.

2581
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,560
>> Thank you, Helen.

2582
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,719
>> Um thank you. I support in uh the

2583
01:48:58,719 --> 01:49:02,080
cleaning fee up to $50 an hour. Um the

2584
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:06,159
court fee seemed Yeah. $75 an hour. I

2585
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:08,719
support that. I actually would lower the

2586
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:11,440
cost for the rental hall

2587
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:12,960
um

2588
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,960
uh for residents.

2589
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:20,080
So, you know, um $500 or $1,000 less

2590
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,360
down from 2777.

2591
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,199
I think that it's a benefit to the

2592
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:29,280
community and to allow them um some, you

2593
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,400
know, to have community events here um

2594
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,280
at a lower rate. Um the parking lot, I

2595
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,119
actually agree. I would increase the

2596
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:42,880
Ford Field parking lot um to uh at least

2597
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,560
150

2598
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,360
uh per day. And I I get that's per

2599
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,360
that's not per car, right? That's just

2600
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:49,920
total.

2601
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,159
>> It's per day to

2602
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:59,846
>> per day. Total 150. If someone wants to

2603
01:49:59,856 --> 01:50:03,750
» [sighs and gasps]

2604
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,639
» So, so like if someone's having an event

2605
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:10,080
and they're going to have 30 cards there

2606
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:13,360
or whatever at Ford Field, as a

2607
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,679
resident, it's 108.

2608
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:23,669
>> Wow.

2609
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:25,440
» Again, I'll just emphasize it's really

2610
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:27,199
meant to be a camp, not a not

2611
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:29,360
necessarily a resident event. It's a

2612
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,840
special event fee for like a if we were

2613
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,280
to have a day camp teaching baseball to

2614
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,840
kids and they needed the parking in the

2615
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,320
field, it would be extremely rare that parking lot is rented.

2616
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:47,840
>> Got it. Okay. But are we So, but for

2617
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:52,960
instance, the um Alpine in so because

2618
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,880
they use it.

2619
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,440
>> Yeah. So they have a

2620
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:59,360
I'll say like grandfathered in

2621
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,320
short-term arrangement that would not be

2622
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:05,280
consistent with this fee schedule today

2623
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,840
>> and we are working on potentially a

2624
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,719
lease license agreement to

2625
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:13,679
uh get them a more formal arrangement

2626
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:15,840
>> and it's per day.

2627
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,840
It's 117 per day

2628
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,679
>> for

2629
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:21,360
the Ford fuel park.

2630
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,040
>> Yeah. But I want to emphasize it really

2631
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:25,679
is it is designed for a special event.

2632
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:26,239
>> Okay.

2633
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:26,960
>> Yeah.

2634
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,080
>> Don't think about it

2635
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,480
>> is mutually exclusive for

2636
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,080
>> Got it. Okay.

2637
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:36,159
>> Okay. Um and then the but the commercial

2638
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:40,000
is also at 108 or 117 now per day and

2639
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:40,639
commercial

2640
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:42,880
>> being 117 per day

2641
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,239
>> would be like a camp.

2642
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,159
>> Yes.

2643
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,639
and the the

2644
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:51,040
residential would be 108

2645
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:54,390
>> eight still.

2646
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:59,280
» Got it. Okay. Okay. Um

2647
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,599
>> can you clarify that if I wanted to have

2648
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,520
a baseball if I had a 10-year-old

2649
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,440
grandson who wanted to have a baseball

2650
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:09,040
party, I can call up and rent Fordfield

2651
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:14,080
and the and the uh parking for $107.

2652
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,960
parking lot would be $18 per day

2653
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:17,840
>> and the field

2654
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,560
>> field would be

2655
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,960
um

2656
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,520
it was a daily weight

2657
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,400
>> is that the special event permit?

2658
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:35,510
>> No,

2659
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,800
there's an informal group rate

2660
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:49,189
that's not that expensive. Um,

2661
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,960
so if you had 50 or fewer,

2662
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:53,360
>> yeah,

2663
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,920
>> it would be $100.

2664
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:58,159
And if you had greater than 50, I'm

2665
01:52:58,159 --> 01:52:59,440
sorry, that's the deposit. So local

2666
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:03,840
informal group, it's $3 per person

2667
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,760
with a

2668
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,400
if if it's 50 or fewer, deposit would be

2669
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,440
100. with greater than 50 or for 51 and

2670
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:19,830
more it would be $500.

2671
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,280
I don't know how you going to manage

2672
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:26,159
this. How do you manage this uh asset?

2673
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:27,199
Anyways, not my

2674
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:29,599
>> I know I actually I I actually would

2675
01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:32,960
push the commercial fee for to have Ford

2676
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,639
Field at least up to 135 per day.

2677
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:39,760
I just think it I think I know it's for

2678
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,560
camp, but I think that I think we could

2679
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,880
ask a little bit more.

2680
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,800
>> So, this is for the parking lot.

2681
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,960
>> Yes. For the commercial and 135 even

2682
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,080
seems low to me, but

2683
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,360
>> it sure does,

2684
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,159
>> right?

2685
01:53:54,159 --> 01:53:56,880
>> Yeah. Otherwise, the used car facility

2686
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,279
will be parking their car.

2687
01:53:58,279 --> 01:53:58,320
[clears throat]

2688
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,199
>> It costs the town less than $5,000 a

2689
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:03,280
year to maintain the Ford Field parking

2690
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,360
lot.

2691
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:06,960
Yeah, I mean thing I would add here is

2692
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,560
the reason we get a professional group

2693
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,679
to and and do a fee analysis is because

2694
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:13,920
we're not allowed to make profits on

2695
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:15,760
these things. So if we start just

2696
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,679
setting it like what we feel like

2697
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:18,639
>> well we can for

2698
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,040
>> I make some but but I mean the point is

2699
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,599
we're we're trying to recover our costs.

2700
01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:24,800
We're not trying to turn this into a

2701
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,400
profit center. And Tony's trying to make

2702
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,159
the point that a gravel parking lot

2703
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:29,679
doesn't cost very much. So there's not a

2704
01:54:29,679 --> 01:54:31,760
lot of cost to recover. So, I I think

2705
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,199
we're getting we're starting to get a

2706
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:36,080
little crosswired in the we think it's a

2707
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,440
super valuable place because you have

2708
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:39,040
the privilege of, you know, being next

2709
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:40,960
to our field, but if you're trying to

2710
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,960
recover cost, that's not quite the right

2711
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,280
lens.

2712
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,960
>> Um, so can I make my comments? Good. Um,

2713
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,840
so I'm good with courts at 75 and

2714
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,280
cleaning fees going to 50.

2715
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,679
Personally, I'd love to see the resident

2716
01:54:57,679 --> 01:54:59,840
um community hall be equal to the public

2717
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,280
agency. I really do think it's a

2718
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,520
benefit. I I won't go to the mat on that

2719
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:06,239
one this time. Um I'd like to see this

2720
01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:08,960
reviewed at mid midyear budget.

2721
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,599
>> Um because that'll give park and wreck

2722
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:13,280
time to do this and we can also just

2723
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,280
start to see kind of what our usage

2724
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:16,560
pattern is and what kind of complaints

2725
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,880
we get, right? Which I think will help

2726
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,040
us decide because I appreciate we're

2727
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:27,599
trying to move this along, right? We we need to have something in place. So, I think with those two and then the

2728
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:30,400
general comment, um, public comment that

2729
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,080
we read and it was my comment as well

2730
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,000
looking at this is it feels like we're

2731
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,480
nickel and dimming people. Like $150 for

2732
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:38,400
a key deposit, you know, it's like we

2733
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,719
already, you know, got a $1,000 deposit.

2734
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:42,400
It's like it feels like a few of these

2735
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:43,760
we should just roll them up into one

2736
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,159
thing. It's a deposit. I don't care if

2737
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:49,119
it's $1,000 or, you know, $1,200. It's a

2738
01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:51,679
deposit. and if you don't give us your

2739
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,679
key back, we're going to charge $150 is

2740
01:55:53,679 --> 01:55:55,440
a part of that. But it just feels like

2741
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,040
itemizing all of these. And I think

2742
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:58,400
that's what Rebecca was trying to get

2743
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,880
out a little bit, which is I would

2744
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,960
expect if I call the town that they can

2745
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:04,480
give me an estimate of what it would

2746
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,639
cost to rent this hall. It may not be

2747
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:08,560
down to the dollar, but it shouldn't

2748
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,639
cost me $250

2749
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:12,480
to talk to somebody to find out how much

2750
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:13,760
it's going to cost. Like, that feels

2751
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:14,719
wrong.

2752
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:17,040
>> We are we are held to a higher standard

2753
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,360
because of state propositions.

2754
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:23,360
So we really have to itemize our fees,

2755
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:24,239
>> right? But a deposit

2756
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:25,599
>> otherwise it could be considered an

2757
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:28,320
exaction or a tax and then require a

2758
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:28,800
deposit.

2759
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:33,920
>> So that's why we have the list as it's formatted. You can go to any

2760
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:34,719
other city,

2761
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:35,119
>> right?

2762
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:36,480
>> And you look at their master fee

2763
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,920
schedule, it's going to be formatted

2764
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,520
very similarly. They're going to have

2765
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:42,080
the costs spelled out individually.

2766
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,000
>> But can it be under the deposit? You

2767
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,520
have one deposit and then you have the

2768
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,239
fees associated with that deposit. if we

2769
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:50,719
don't have it listed under

2770
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:51,520
>> Okay. So,

2771
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:53,280
>> and someone could challenge it.

2772
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,760
>> So, maybe what you're saying is this is

2773
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,599
the messy version and what goes up on

2774
01:56:57,599 --> 01:56:59,920
the web will be something that says your

2775
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:02,560
deposit's $1,150.

2776
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,080
If you don't return the key, we're going

2777
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:06,400
to charge $150. If you give us all our

2778
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:07,199
stuff back, you're going to get your

2779
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:08,480
money back. And and and that's the end

2780
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,639
of it. And it's one line in the on the

2781
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:12,159
website, even though it's broken into a

2782
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:14,960
thousand little fees here. But I think

2783
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,280
the point I want wanted to get at is I

2784
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:18,719
expect somebody should be able to call

2785
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:20,159
up and have a 10-minute conversation

2786
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:22,639
with staff about renting a facility and

2787
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:24,320
not be charged $250.

2788
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:24,800
>> Right.

2789
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,400
>> Okay. So, is that but it's not clear

2790
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:27,440
from here. This

2791
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:29,199
>> the initial the initial call will not

2792
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:30,960
start the meter, but if they call back

2793
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,040
and say we want to have more

2794
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:34,719
consultations or we want to schedule a

2795
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:36,480
meeting with Yeah, then that's when the

2796
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,199
meter starts taking.

2797
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:38,400
>> I just wanted to be clear because that's

2798
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,080
it doesn't quite read that way. It's

2799
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:41,199
talks about initial

2800
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:43,040
>> and also a lot of times it's the the

2801
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,480
initial contact with town is an online

2802
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,239
application.

2803
01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:50,080
>> Sure. And that just assumes that on the

2804
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,080
website there's enough information that

2805
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,000
I can tell that it's going to cost me

2806
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,480
$3,500 or whatever to rent the town hall

2807
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,239
because it's not 2777.

2808
01:57:58,239 --> 01:57:58,560
>> Right.

2809
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,080
It's that plus all these other

2810
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,920
things. So, as long as there's some easy

2811
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:02,800
way to know

2812
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:03,679
>> Yeah.

2813
01:58:03,679 --> 01:58:05,520
>> what I'm, you know, getting into within

2814
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:09,040
a couple hundred bucks. Hey, but um we

2815
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:10,800
need to clarify some things here because

2816
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,320
you kind of brought up No,

2817
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:13,679
>> I got we're we're coming we're coming

2818
01:58:13,679 --> 01:58:15,040
back to that. We're we're coming back.

2819
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:20,870
I'm just finishing my comments. So um

2820
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:23,119
All right. So I I think I'm done with my

2821
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:27,599
comments. I would suggest that we amend

2822
01:58:27,599 --> 01:58:31,599
the fees to include $50 cleaning and $75

2823
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:34,239
court fee and leave the rest of it alone

2824
01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:37,760
for now. and then ask Tony to revisit

2825
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,960
this at mid-budget year review.

2826
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,719
>> Um, there was also a comment about

2827
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:44,880
reducing the the community hall

2828
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:45,599
facility,

2829
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:47,599
>> right? And and and I said I wouldn't go

2830
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:49,119
to the mat on that one. I'm I'm willing

2831
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:51,840
to wait until mid mid year, but if other

2832
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,199
people feel strongly, we could put it

2833
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:56,400
in. I I just trying to get us something.

2834
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,310
>> Yeah.

2835
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,679
I think there was a $100 versus

2836
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:04,719
>> Yeah,

2837
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:07,360
>> I think it's just a nod to we we believe

2838
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,199
it's likely going to be cheaper to

2839
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:10,719
maintain concrete courts, but we don't

2840
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,960
know yet. And that's Tony's putting in

2841
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,119
the mechanism. But but again, some of

2842
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:17,599
this is we're here as a town to service

2843
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:20,639
serve our residents. And so, you know,

2844
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:22,560
not nickeling diamonding from everything

2845
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,960
seems like a positive to me. So, that

2846
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:30,159
was sort of a nod toward that. Honestly,

2847
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:32,480
I think we got to keep in mind we have

2848
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,560
no money in this town and if we have to

2849
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,719
charge a little extra, it's not that

2850
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:38,639
much. So, I don't have a lot of patience

2851
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:40,560
for it, but I think I I could absolutely

2852
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,440
get comfortable with the $50 cleaning

2853
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:47,360
and $75 court. Um, and then course

2854
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:49,040
correct in six months.

2855
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,400
>> Yeah. And that's kind of why I left the

2856
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,320
community hall. We can always course

2857
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,239
correct.

2858
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:55,760
>> We can always course correct.

2859
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,119
>> Yes. Right. And and that's why I was

2860
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:59,360
suggesting if we do it mid-budget that

2861
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,440
rather than wait a full year. I think

2862
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,920
that would give us everybody a chance to

2863
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:04,719
weigh in.

2864
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:07,679
>> But okay. But I do think actually you're

2865
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:09,760
saying you want to give services to our

2866
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,360
community members, but you don't want to

2867
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,599
give a discount for the community hall.

2868
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:16,159
>> I think it's too big. I think that for a

2869
02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:17,840
big event, you're already spending I

2870
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,239
mean, people are spending 20, 50,

2871
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:22,800
$100,000 on their wedding. I I think a

2872
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,760
$1,000 difference, you know, is is

2873
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,760
pretty minor. So, I I would course

2874
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,599
correct that. I mean, I I wouldn't mind

2875
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,840
going there, but that feels like a more

2876
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,920
complicated if we're going to get into

2877
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:36,080
resident versus non-resident fees, that

2878
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,400
feels more like something we should do

2879
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,080
at our next course correction. So, I

2880
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,639
guess that's my thinking, but again, I I

2881
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:43,760
brought it up because I mean, if

2882
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,280
everybody else thinks that that's what

2883
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,360
we should do, then we we could include

2884
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:48,960
it. I'm just trying to get us to a

2885
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:51,679
resolution that we could give to Tony.

2886
02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:53,440
Not only do we need any resolution here?

2887
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,320
We just need to get Okay. So, yeah. No.

2888
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,800
So, but where where are people at in ter

2889
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:00,880
let's try to craft some some kind of

2890
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,199
motion dude.

2891
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:04,800
Comments on the community hall. I think

2892
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:07,280
that's the piece that's sticking out.

2893
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:08,960
>> Well, Helen, you had suggested taking it

2894
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:12,000
down 500 to a,000, right? For residents

2895
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,040
>> for 500. Yeah, I would do 500. So you

2896
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,360
would be 2277

2897
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:19,040
for residents

2898
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,440
>> and that's yeah just for that one

2899
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,199
>> I would be okay with that resident that

2900
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:27,840
and non-ren non-resident would stay.

2901
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,400
>> Any other comments? Um, one quick thing,

2902
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,480
it's sort of a process one. I notice

2903
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:34,800
every month with the warrants that for

2904
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,840
the parking for Rosadis, you're charging

2905
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,000
a $100 deposit and then you're refunding

2906
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,119
at the end of the month and then you're

2907
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:42,480
charging the deposit again the beginning

2908
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:44,239
of the funding at the end of the month.

2909
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:45,920
And is there some reason we can't just

2910
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:47,920
have one deposit that is carried over

2911
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:52,390
for the full year?

2912
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:55,679
» Well, we can. Um but part of the process

2913
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:59,199
why we do that is in the past checks for

2914
02:01:59,199 --> 02:02:02,560
being held, not being deposited

2915
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,840
and getting lost. So this is an audit

2916
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,239
trail. This is a record. So we can't

2917
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:10,800
have a applicant say

2918
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,840
>> we did not uh return a check or we

2919
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,320
didn't deposit a check

2920
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:18,400
>> being held for the full year. Then you

2921
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:20,639
deposit it once and there it is and then

2922
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:21,920
at the end of the year it gets

2923
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,840
>> right. It's it's basically a new record.

2924
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:28,000
You know, once once the rental period is

2925
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,760
over, if they rent, it's another rental

2926
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:31,119
period.

2927
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:32,960
>> And so, we want to have a record of the

2928
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,760
rental period plus deposit, return of

2929
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,159
the deposit, close out. Closes out. It's

2930
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:39,520
process.

2931
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:40,719
>> It's an audit trail.

2932
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:44,320
>> Can we get these people on uh the AC?

2933
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,320
>> So, entirely up to them.

2934
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,159
>> So, Rebecca, could I could we just put

2935
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:49,360
this on hold because we got a lot to

2936
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,159
cover tonight. So, um, if everybody is

2937
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:54,239
okay, I think a proposal that we could

2938
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:57,199
get a motion on is $50 cleaning fees,

2939
02:02:57,199 --> 02:03:00,480
$75 court fees, and $500 discount on the

2940
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:02,400
community hall. Is that

2941
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:03,840
>> for res? Thank you. For

2942
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,719
>> res how many resident bookings do we

2943
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:08,719
have per year? If I don't know that, I

2944
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:14,629
I'm not comfortable. So, I can wrote

2945
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:16,320
» Did anyone want to do anything about the

2946
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:18,719
parking lot as well?

2947
02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:20,719
>> No. Because that's a lease problem.

2948
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:24,239
>> It's a It's a problem.

2949
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:26,080
>> It's an unsolved problem.

2950
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,760
>> Well, it's a different problem. It' be a

2951
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,639
lease rather than masterpiece.

2952
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:31,520
>> Yeah.

2953
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:45,189
>> So, we just need to solve that.

2954
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:46,639
» Yes. So in urgent

2955
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:51,599
>> in 2025 we had 11 rentals.

2956
02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:54,719
>> Um but of the

2957
02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:58,400
community hall um we had I mean we do

2958
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:01,040
have a lot of rentals for nonprofits.

2959
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,760
>> We're we're not charging anything. Um

2960
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:08,000
but for big events we had

2961
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,280
six.

2962
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:10,880
>> So why aren't we charging anything for

2963
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,000
nonprofits?

2964
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:13,840
>> We are we are now. We weren't

2965
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:15,920
>> Oh. We're t Well, no, we're town

2966
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:16,880
sponsored. We're not.

2967
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:18,239
>> Oh, town sponsored or not?

2968
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:19,920
>> Which which does include the nonprofits?

2969
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,480
That's part of the whole

2970
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:23,679
>> Which which nonprofit?

2971
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:25,360
>> That's all part of the grants.

2972
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:25,760
>> Oh,

2973
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:26,800
>> they're planter grant.

2974
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:28,639
>> Yeah,

2975
02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:29,840
>> that's the that's the other component

2976
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,360
that we also have to comply with too.

2977
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:32,880
>> I thought it was over.

2978
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:34,800
>> No, we still have a couple more years.

2979
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:36,880
>> Getting close.

2980
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,560
>> Okay. So, again, trying to close this

2981
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:41,760
one out. I'm ask So, are would somebody

2982
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,599
be willing to make a motion? I'm com

2983
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:46,960
comfortable with moving ahead with your motion.

2984
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,119
>> Okay. All right. Then I'll make it as a

2985
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:52,719
formal motion that we

2986
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:54,800
increase the cleaning fees to 50, the

2987
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,520
court fees reduced to 75, and the

2988
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,440
community hall reduced by 500

2989
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:00,400
>> for residents.

2990
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,800
>> Four residents. Thank you for keeping me

2991
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,440
on the straight and narrow.

2992
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,239
and your the motion is to uh approve the

2993
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:10,080
revised fee schedule for the parks and

2994
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:11,440
fields and hall

2995
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:12,480
>> the rest of it as is.

2996
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:13,040
>> Thank you.

2997
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,840
>> And I'll second it.

2998
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,520
>> Okay, we have a motion, a second. All in

2999
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:18,800
favor say I.

3000
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:19,440
>> I.

3001
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:21,599
Okay, it's unanimous. All right,

3002
02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:23,360
we're going to take a So, I'm going to

3003
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:26,560
close this public hearing. We're going

3004
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:28,159
to take a fivem minute break and then

3005
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:29,520
we're going to open up the next public

3006
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,199
hearing. Thank you everybody. They have

3007
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:35,040
water.

3008
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:36,960
>> Okay, I'm gonna call the I'm gonna call

3009
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:39,760
the meeting back to

3010
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:42,320
>> gonna call the meeting back to order.

3011
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:44,800
>> Thank you.

3012
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,320
>> Okay. Um before we start, I was asked

3013
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,880
whether we think we're going to get to

3014
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,599
8D this evening,

3015
02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:56,000
which is receiving um an update and

3016
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,360
provide direction for the housing

3017
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:01,199
element. So, we have an option to put it

3018
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:04,239
off to next meeting or we could move it

3019
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:06,719
up because we have our two lovely

3020
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:08,320
planning

3021
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:11,280
um department members here and it seems

3022
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:12,880
like we' be nice to not have them have

3023
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,159
to stay until 11:30 at night. So, are we

3024
02:06:16,159 --> 02:06:18,400
okay either moving it up if we want to

3025
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,880
do the full agenda or postponing it now

3026
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,400
so they don't have to sit here?

3027
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,639
>> Okay, moving it up. I'm okay with it.

3028
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:28,000
Moving it up because you have three

3029
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,520
people here waiting.

3030
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:30,719
>> Okay.

3031
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:32,800
>> No, no, wait. So that just hang on. So

3032
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,639
all we're doing right now is finding out

3033
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:35,840
so that they know whether they're going

3034
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:36,880
to leave or not. I'm still going to do

3035
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:38,800
the public hearing. Going to finish that

3036
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,560
and then I'm going to potentially move

3037
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:41,920
this up in the regular agenda. I'm just

3038
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,079
using the break as a house some

3039
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,000
housekeeping here. So is everybody okay

3040
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48,159
when we get to the regular agenda if we

3041
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:52,800
move 8D up? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay.

3042
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:54,560
Great. All right. So, we're going to

3043
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:56,159
finish the public hearing on the charter

3044
02:06:56,159 --> 02:06:57,360
and then we'll get to you guys and then

3045
02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:00,880
you guys can go home. Okay. So, let's

3046
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:04,000
start with 7B. So, who's giving the

3047
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:04,560
presentation?

3048
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,159
>> Me, Darcy Smith, town manager.

3049
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:06,880
>> Thank you, Darcy.

3050
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,520
>> I'll be fast because frankly this is the

3051
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,159
second public hearing. You already had

3052
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,480
the first one and there's actually

3053
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:17,199
nothing really new here.

3054
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:19,840
So your council priorities again these

3055
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,840
are maybe different than what I shared

3056
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:23,440
earlier from the community conversation.

3057
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:26,480
These are your six priorities and the

3058
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,800
one of the most important ones is the

3059
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:30,400
financial responsibility and long-term

3060
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:32,480
viability of the town. So this item is

3061
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,960
related to that. Tony will talk about

3062
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:36,480
the budget later but you've seen this

3063
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,400
slide with the forecast and know that we

3064
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:41,440
are running out of money tapping into

3065
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,840
our reserves tonight with the budget

3066
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,679
item that's coming up. we have a

3067
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:50,480
structural deficit and this

3068
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,639
black line is going to keep going down.

3069
02:07:52,639 --> 02:07:56,079
In fact, it's going down even sharper.

3070
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:57,760
And so again, we've gotten community

3071
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:59,599
feedback from our survey that started

3072
02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:02,560
last September with the Godby survey

3073
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,679
that identified three priorities for the

3074
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:07,520
community. The disaster preparedness,

3075
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:09,920
preparing for wildfires, protecting the

3076
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,400
town autonomment. We autonomy. We heard

3077
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:14,000
from residents that they don't want the

3078
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:15,920
zoning and land use planning decision

3079
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,760
made by the county. Remaining an

3080
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:21,199
incorporated town with stable finances

3081
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:23,199
preserves our local decision-making

3082
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:26,719
authority and then longterm fiscal

3083
02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:28,880
stability. The residents have voice that

3084
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,560
they want to ensure the town can

3085
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,520
continue delivering our services.

3086
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:36,000
So right now, as you know, we're general

3087
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:39,199
law and we defer to state law even on

3088
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:41,840
municipal affairs and we c cannot adopt

3089
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:44,639
a real property transfer tax. So we're

3090
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:47,840
looking at the charter town. Um we're

3091
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:51,040
looking at it mainly to adopt a real be

3092
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:52,800
have the ability to adopt a real

3093
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:57,040
property transfer tax. Um, but it's just

3094
02:08:57,040 --> 02:08:59,360
also something that other cities do for

3095
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:00,880
other reasons, but for us, the main

3096
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:04,079
focus right now is that tax.

3097
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:06,800
About 26% of California cities have

3098
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:09,040
charters, so we're not unique in this.

3099
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:12,000
Um, and many of our neighbors have them.

3100
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:13,840
And the council direction back in April

3101
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:17,119
was to utilize a brief, narrowly focused

3102
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:20,239
charter similar to the St. Helina model.

3103
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,320
It authorizes the tax I mentioned while

3104
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:24,480
keeping us subject to the other state

3105
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:26,639
laws that govern us to keep the process

3106
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:28,239
and the charter very simple and

3107
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:30,880
streamlined and that let us remain on

3108
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,199
schedule. The charter can be amended in

3109
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:36,079
the future by the voters but simplest

3110
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:38,560
charter has let us move this forward on

3111
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:42,400
schedule and present it for you tonight.

3112
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:46,719
So we are moving forward. This is our

3113
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:48,800
second public hearing. As I mentioned,

3114
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,560
we are marching forward towards a

3115
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:53,199
deadline if the council decides to make

3116
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:56,400
a decision in July to place this charter

3117
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:58,239
and potentially a ballot measure on the

3118
02:09:58,239 --> 02:10:00,639
ballot. Um, and that would go before the

3119
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:02,880
voters in November. And in order to go

3120
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:04,800
in effect right now, the charter and the

3121
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,599
real property transfer tax requires a

3122
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:11,040
simple majority which is 50% plus one.

3123
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,480
So again, this is our second public

3124
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,000
hearing and you know, we followed the

3125
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,679
St. Helina model with a very simple

3126
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:18,639
brief charter. Um, we've researched a

3127
02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:20,480
few things and research that we

3128
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,000
determined the town does not need to

3129
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,320
specify the form of government in the

3130
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:26,960
charter. Um, the charter that you see

3131
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:28,400
attached, which is still in draft

3132
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,159
format, has not been finalized and we're

3133
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:32,960
not looking for any vote tonight. We

3134
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,480
just have to have this meeting for

3135
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:35,840
public review and comment, but there is

3136
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,440
a small red line in the charter that

3137
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:40,639
you'll see in your packet. Um, so this

3138
02:10:40,639 --> 02:10:42,159
is again a simple meeting tonight. We

3139
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,679
just want you to open and close the

3140
02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:45,199
public hearing, receive public comment,

3141
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:47,760
and then we will return in July for you

3142
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,599
to make a final decision as to whether

3143
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:52,960
to place the final charter on the

3144
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:55,040
ballot. And you can make changes up

3145
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,760
until July. Probably unlikely at this

3146
02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,280
point, but just important to note that

3147
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,920
there's no con this public hearing has

3148
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,079
no effect on whether the charter could

3149
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:05,679
still be amended in the future. That can

3150
02:11:05,679 --> 02:11:07,520
be done up until you consider placing it

3151
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:10,159
on the ballot, um, which would be

3152
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:12,000
scheduled in July.

3153
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:15,280
So with that, Katherine and I are

3154
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:17,280
available to ask questions. And I also

3155
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:19,440
want to give a thank you to a staff

3156
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:21,360
member, Lauren Tarp, who's also been

3157
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:22,960
part of our team and been extremely

3158
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:26,000
helpful. So we're grateful for her work.

3159
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,320
>> Thank you, Darcy. Are there questions

3160
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:32,159
for Darcy before we move on? No. No. No.

3161
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:34,480
Okay, great. Then let me open up the

3162
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:37,360
public hearing on 7B, which is the

3163
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:39,199
proposed adoption of a town charter. Is

3164
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:40,719
there anyone in the room that would like

3165
02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:43,040
to speak to the town charter? Okay, I

3166
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:46,239
see nobody here in the schoolhouse

3167
02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:49,280
and I see one hand online. Christy C, go

3168
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:54,470
ahead.

3169
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:58,239
» Can you please explain a charter city

3170
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:01,440
versus the city we are currently

3171
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:05,360
involved in? Thank you.

3172
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,199
>> Okay. Well, that was the slide that

3173
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:09,440
Darcy put up. Um, so they're the the

3174
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:14,800
slides are in the packet, but for us the main consideration here is it gives

3175
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:18,239
us the ability to raise a real property

3176
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:19,360
transfer tax.

3177
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:21,840
>> Can you explain to the public what this

3178
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:24,560
means?

3179
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,400
>> Um, okay. Okay. Well, I mean that's what

3180
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,920
the slides were Christie, but this is a chance for you to comment, not sort of

3181
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:30,719
a

3182
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:35,040
>> Well, you know, since we didn't have a a

3183
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:38,880
open session with our residents, I think

3184
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:42,560
this is the time to do it.

3185
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:49,189
>> Okay. Well, thank you for your comment.

3186
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:51,280
» So, any other comments that you would

3187
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:57,510
like to make?

3188
02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:59,520
Okay, I guess Christiey's muted, so I'm

3189
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,119
going to assume no. Is there anybody

3190
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:02,480
else who would like to comment on this

3191
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:07,430
item?

3192
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,440
All right, so is there anything um I'm

3193
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:12,000
going to close the public hearing? Is

3194
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,079
there anything else that you guys want

3195
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:17,199
to say about the charter that would help

3196
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:20,390
clarify?

3197
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:25,360
I guess I would um just uh refer um the

3198
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:26,960
council and the public to particularly

3199
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,360
page 218 of the packet which provides

3200
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,119
it's it's high level but provides the

3201
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:32,880
overview of the difference between a

3202
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:34,800
general law city which or general law

3203
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:37,119
town which we are right now versus a

3204
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:40,719
charter city or charter town. Um the

3205
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,560
different the key difference is that

3206
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:45,199
charter towns are are authorized to

3207
02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:48,000
exercise local authority over uh

3208
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,639
municipal affairs and municipal affairs

3209
02:13:50,639 --> 02:13:54,000
are defined in the constitution and also

3210
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:57,520
um case law determined by courts. Uh and

3211
02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:01,199
so there are specific uh powers uh that

3212
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,000
charter cities can exercise that general

3213
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,639
law cities cannot. Um the key one that

3214
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:08,719
we've been talking about is the power of

3215
02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:12,239
taxation and particularly the power to

3216
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:14,639
enact a real property transfer tax.

3217
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:17,679
There are other um other authorities

3218
02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:20,880
that charter uh towns may exercise. They

3219
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,960
are not however included in the current

3220
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,320
draft of the charter.

3221
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:27,040
>> Right. Okay. Great. Thank you for

3222
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:29,119
providing some clarity.

3223
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:31,119
>> All right. So

3224
02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:33,840
>> I I do think I mean this is a public

3225
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:35,440
hearing. that's the only reason we're

3226
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:37,119
having it. And if people aren't

3227
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:38,719
following

3228
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:43,280
um I get concerned. So if I if I my

3229
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:45,440
recollection is wrong, let me know. But

3230
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:47,280
when this first came up, the first

3231
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,239
hearing, we had a wholesome packet that

3232
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:52,960
actually, if I recall correctly, spelled

3233
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:55,199
out there's two types of towns. One's

3234
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:57,440
charter, one's general law. Here are

3235
02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:00,400
some of the differences. So, if Christy

3236
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:03,040
or others want to

3237
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,119
um have a more comprehensive

3238
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:08,239
presentation that exists and maybe we

3239
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,159
could follow up with her to send the

3240
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:16,560
date that that was first discussed and I do think it's important for public

3241
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,320
understanding

3242
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,440
um what it is and isn't and you know

3243
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:24,800
it's on us as well as them to engage to

3244
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:26,719
understand it. So that's my only

3245
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:28,159
comment.

3246
02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:30,608
>> And could I just ask also is there are

3247
02:15:30,608 --> 02:15:31,280
[clears throat] we putting something up

3248
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,040
on the website about this or is there

3249
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,119
going to be an FAQ or what what is the

3250
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:38,629
plan for that?

3251
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:41,119
Yes. So

3252
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:44,079
we I think we have an FAQ. I'll double

3253
02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:45,440
check, but yeah, we do have an

3254
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:47,040
engagement website that people can go

3255
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:50,000
to.

3256
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:52,239
And there is a description as Katherine

3257
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:54,800
mentioned in the packet in this packet

3258
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:56,719
as well. It's not as detailed I think as

3259
02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:59,280
the first one but there's definitely

3260
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,280
um you know charter town municipal

3261
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,719
affairs etc.

3262
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:05,840
>> Okay. Other

3263
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:06,880
>> yeah question.

3264
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:10,159
>> So um I just it is under engagement but

3265
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:12,079
and Darcy and I went through this

3266
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,320
earlier this week because I was curious

3267
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:15,920
about it. It's a little bit tricky to

3268
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:17,679
find. So, I'll just let you know it's

3269
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:21,119
under community under engagement. Um, so

3270
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:24,960
which to me is not an obvious link. So,

3271
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:29,440
it'd be nice to have it more prominent.

3272
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:34,319
um to be honest. Um

3273
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:40,000
so and in terms of charter to me just

3274
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,920
you know general law generally is

3275
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:45,200
everything by state law and then charter

3276
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:49,120
is uh a little bit more cities get to do

3277
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:51,920
a little bit differently then they get

3278
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,080
to expand

3279
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:58,319
more things than what state law just uh

3280
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:00,639
the guidance is.

3281
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:02,240
So,

3282
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:03,760
>> right, but in our case, we've sort of

3283
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:05,679
chosen to do charter city light, which

3284
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:09,040
is just ch basically take all of general

3285
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:13,280
law and change the taxation.

3286
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:13,760
>> Right?

3287
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,399
>> So, just for most people's simple

3288
02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:18,559
understanding is not much is changing.

3289
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:20,800
It's literally changing this taxation

3290
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:25,519
>> and right and then and that's um because

3291
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:29,439
July 22nd there will be on the agenda

3292
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:31,200
whether we put something on the ballot

3293
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,359
or not. There is that vote at that

3294
02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:36,870
point.

3295
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:38,399
» Right. That's when we're going to decide

3296
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,240
whether to put the charter city on and

3297
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,880
whether to put property transfer tax.

3298
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:44,639
>> Exactly.

3299
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:46,399
>> Other discussion on this one?

3300
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:49,840
>> Yeah. I I just wanted to ask what seems

3301
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:53,120
to be the obviously I am a advocate for

3302
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,840
the charter uh town and have have been

3303
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:59,599
for a long time because it helps us uh

3304
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:05,040
individuate ourselves uh as a town. Uh

3305
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:07,359
however, Charter Light doesn't do

3306
02:18:07,359 --> 02:18:09,920
doesn't perform that function. And so my

3307
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:12,479
question is always, do I have to go back

3308
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:14,160
all through this whole thing again? If

3309
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:15,760
we want to do another, if we want to

3310
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:17,519
actually make a robust charter, we're

3311
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:18,800
going to have to do these two public

3312
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:22,319
hearings. And uh and I mean, it's one

3313
02:18:22,319 --> 02:18:24,000
thing to come up with a good charter,

3314
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,439
but it's another thing to spend a whole

3315
02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:27,760
year trying to go through the

3316
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:32,639
bureaucracy of it. It's going to be it's time consuming. It's all get out

3317
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:37,840
and and staffing uh consuming but also

3318
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:39,040
late nights,

3319
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:40,880
>> right? But this is the decision we as a

3320
02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:42,319
council made which was just

3321
02:18:42,319 --> 02:18:43,920
>> right. But I'm asking the question of is

3322
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:46,639
it is it really just as arduous is this

3323
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:48,719
once you become a charter city do you

3324
02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:51,599
have to go exactly isn't there some like

3325
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:54,479
modificate modifying our charter city uh

3326
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:55,359
program?

3327
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:57,679
>> Um generally speaking no the amendment

3328
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:59,359
process is the same as the adoption

3329
02:18:59,359 --> 02:19:01,519
process. the two public hearings and

3330
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:03,920
then the placement on the ballot. Uh

3331
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:05,920
that said, I would say the the council

3332
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:08,000
is actually engaged in a much more

3333
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,960
robust discussion of of this particular

3334
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:13,519
proposal. I would say given that the

3335
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:16,479
council considered a range of options um

3336
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:18,240
over a course of several council

3337
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,960
meetings and so the the two public

3338
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:22,160
hearings are really I think just a

3339
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:24,479
portion of what this council did when it

3340
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:26,080
considered adoption of the charter in

3341
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:28,000
the first place. Um, so I I think it

3342
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,040
actually would be somewhat more

3343
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:30,960
expedited in comparison for an

3344
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:31,519
amendment.

3345
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:32,399
>> Thank you.

3346
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:34,639
>> And the finance committee also

3347
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:37,200
considered many many options over

3348
02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:41,349
several meetings.

3349
02:19:41,359 --> 02:19:46,319
» All right. Any other comments on 7B?

3350
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:48,640
All right. So, I'm going to close the

3351
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:49,920
Well, I guess I've closed the public

3352
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:51,359
hearing and now I'm going to close the

3353
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:53,600
agenda item 7B and move on to the

3354
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:57,439
regular agenda. So um as we agreed we

3355
02:19:57,439 --> 02:20:02,469
will move on to 8D

3356
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:05,910
excuse me

3357
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:08,160
you just need a comment right there's no

3358
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:08,960
resolution

3359
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:10,880
>> correct the no resolution tonight um it

3360
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:12,319
was just the public hearing

3361
02:20:12,319 --> 02:20:17,349
>> thank you

3362
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:18,560
» welcome welcome

3363
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,720
>> I'll just make a second to I don't think

3364
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:22,880
you've met Akoi

3365
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:26,240
Wilson our new senior your planner, but

3366
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,240
just for the record, she's an official

3367
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:30,399
staff member, not a consultant. And we

3368
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:32,160
are incredibly lucky to have such a

3369
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,880
talented individual with us.

3370
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:37,760
She formerly worked at Midpen, city of

3371
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,520
Half Moon Bay, and has a degree from I

3372
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:44,319
think Baylor environmental science and

3373
02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:46,319
is

3374
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:48,800
grew up in Colorado and but still loves

3375
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:51,040
California. So, we're lucky to have her

3376
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:52,560
here. And she's focusing more on

3377
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:54,080
advanced planning. So, this housing

3378
02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:55,520
element, the safety element, these are

3379
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:57,920
things she's working on in addition to

3380
02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:02,950
lots of other fun things.

3381
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:05,280
» Thank you for that introduction, Darcy.

3382
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,359
Uh, and then if I could be promoted to a

3383
02:21:07,359 --> 02:21:11,590
panelist to share the presentation.

3384
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:14,000
» And AOE, you see how I talk like I'm

3385
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,280
trying to get close.

3386
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:17,600
>> If you can't hear echo behind you, then

3387
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:22,389
you're not talking close enough.

3388
02:21:22,399 --> 02:21:24,240
What I find is if I put it in front of

3389
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:25,760
my mouth, even if it's a little farther

3390
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:27,680
away rather than to the side, it's

3391
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:49,349
significantly better.

3392
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:52,960
Hey, good evening, Mayor Taylor and

3393
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:55,520
council members. Thank you for having me

3394
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:57,840
tonight. Uh my name is Acoi Wilson. I'm

3395
02:21:57,840 --> 02:22:01,200
our senior town planner. Um and I will

3396
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,200
be presenting to you tonight on the

3397
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,280
housing element amendment. Uh

3398
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,200
specifically the second draft of the

3399
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:09,520
housing element amendment. Uh and we'll

3400
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,920
be seeking direction from the council

3401
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,399
tonight regarding next steps and

3402
02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:16,960
potentially the authorization to submit

3403
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:19,520
to HC.

3404
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:21,040
I'll first walk us through some

3405
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:23,760
background uh on the housing element and

3406
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:26,000
the draft housing element amendment and

3407
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,640
then I'll provide additional feedback on

3408
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:31,120
the content of the housing element

3409
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:33,920
amendment. We'll discuss HCD's comments

3410
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:37,280
that were received in March and uh the

3411
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,040
updates in the current draft of the

3412
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:41,200
housing element amendment in response to

3413
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,600
those comments.

3414
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:45,920
A bit of background on the housing

3415
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,840
element. It was first certified back in

3416
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:51,680
January 2024 uh and then was reertified

3417
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:54,880
in 2025. Around that same time, there

3418
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:57,040
were some discussions regarding one of

3419
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:58,560
the existing sites in the housing

3420
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:00,960
element and whether or not it was a

3421
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:03,520
feasible site to remain in the housing

3422
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:06,000
element. Uh which led to the housing

3423
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:09,200
element amendment to be drafted. Uh

3424
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:11,760
which we'll discuss how that's being

3425
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,560
addressed. uh and that was officially

3426
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:17,520
drafted around late 2025 and was brought

3427
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:21,920
to uh the council back in December 2025

3428
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,800
and then was officially submitted uh in

3429
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:27,359
January 2026 after receiving that

3430
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:29,920
direction from council earlier in

3431
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,479
January. Uh and then most recently we

3432
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:35,439
received uh comments on that draft from

3433
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:38,240
HCD uh back in March and since then

3434
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:41,200
we've been working on addressing those

3435
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:46,080
uh comments and updating a second draft.

3436
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,399
So, the previous draft amendments

3437
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,720
included the removal of the Dorothy Ford

3438
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:54,720
site and to accommodate the site the

3439
02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:56,720
units lost as part of removing that

3440
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:59,840
site, those units were reallocated to

3441
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:03,760
two new sites uh as well as one existing

3442
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:05,680
site that was revised with the draft

3443
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:09,439
amendment. The uh each of these three

3444
02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:12,319
sites were also updated to have a

3445
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:14,960
proposed reszoning to a mixeduse

3446
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:18,240
highdensity zoning. Uh all of this

3447
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:20,479
maintained our site inventory. Uh it

3448
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:22,479
just redistributed how they were, but

3449
02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:24,960
each category maintains the same amount

3450
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:27,280
of units as well as our overall reena

3451
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:30,000
number remains at 272.

3452
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,960
Um, and so none of that has changed with

3453
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:35,120
the draft and that remains the same with

3454
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:38,479
this draft as well.

3455
02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:40,960
HCD had five main points in their

3456
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:43,520
comment letter. Uh, three of these stood

3457
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:45,520
out and two others were a bit more

3458
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:48,080
administrative. Uh the first two

3459
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:50,319
involved the need for additional site

3460
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:53,840
analysis as well as um some research

3461
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:55,920
into the site constraints and

3462
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,160
infrastructure specifically relating to

3463
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:00,160
the skyline open space site which was

3464
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:02,080
one of the new sites. So that has been

3465
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,479
addressed through adding additional

3466
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:06,319
language into the housing element

3467
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:09,280
amendment as well as uh new conceptual

3468
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,040
site plans that we'll look at here in a

3469
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:12,240
moment.

3470
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:14,640
Uh the third item involved just a

3471
02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:16,880
reminder that staff will need to

3472
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:19,359
resubmit uh an electronic sites

3473
02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:21,040
inventory, though this should be

3474
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:22,720
relatively simple given we're not

3475
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:26,160
changing our site inventory. Uh and then

3476
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:29,920
their fourth point was they recommended

3477
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:32,240
that we consider following our analysis

3478
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,000
that we update the housing element

3479
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:36,880
programs um or add additional programs

3480
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:39,760
to address the need for or to

3481
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:42,399
accommodate additional housing uh and

3482
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:44,319
affordable housing throughout the town.

3483
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:48,080
Um and specifically consider allocating

3484
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:51,600
funds to the skyline open space site for

3485
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,479
a program to do so. Uh, and then lastly,

3486
02:25:54,479 --> 02:25:56,479
there was just a reminder that we'll

3487
02:25:56,479 --> 02:26:00,000
need to complete program 1-1B, which is

3488
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:04,319
the reasonzonings for the three sites.

3489
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:06,479
So, basically what I just shared on the

3490
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:08,319
last slide, but just reiterating that

3491
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:11,120
this draft just includes additional text

3492
02:26:11,120 --> 02:26:13,280
to sites that were already identified

3493
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:15,600
with the last draft. uh and just

3494
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:18,319
additional analysis for these sites to

3495
02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:21,200
describe the feasibility of housing and

3496
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,960
the number of housing units that were

3497
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:25,359
identified on each of the sites. Uh as

3498
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:27,280
well as conceptual site plans for each

3499
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,680
site. Um but just as a reminder, these

3500
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:32,479
are conceptual. So with the submittal in

3501
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:33,840
the future, these could certainly

3502
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:36,560
change, but the goal is to show that

3503
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:38,560
these sites could accommodate the number

3504
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:40,960
of units that are identified in our

3505
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:45,760
housing element. And then the main uh

3506
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:48,240
new addition would be a new program

3507
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:51,040
which is program 4-5. And this is

3508
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:53,600
committing the town to publishing a

3509
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:56,640
notice of funding availability or a NOA

3510
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:59,760
uh which will provide uh opportunities

3511
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:03,520
for applicants to come in and apply for

3512
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:07,040
affordable housing fund uh funds to

3513
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:09,520
build their sites within certain

3514
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:11,439
parameters that would be identified in

3515
02:27:11,439 --> 02:27:14,399
the NOA that we would have to we have an

3516
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:15,920
early draft of but would have to

3517
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:18,399
continue to work on and then publish

3518
02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:21,280
publicly.

3519
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:23,840
So the first site is the village square

3520
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:26,800
site. Uh this with a proposed amendment

3521
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:30,800
has uh identified 20 very lowincome

3522
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:33,280
units as well as five above moderate

3523
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:36,000
income units. Uh and so the conceptual

3524
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:39,280
site plan shows 25 units and this is a

3525
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:42,080
mix of one and twobedroom units. Uh the

3526
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:43,760
main site constraints that we were

3527
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:45,760
seeing with this site is just the Saucil

3528
02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:49,040
Creek setback in the rear of the site.

3529
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:52,399
uh as well as uh the goal to maintain

3530
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:54,800
the required parking for the existing

3531
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:56,960
commercial uses um as well as

3532
02:27:56,960 --> 02:27:58,720
accommodate parking for the new housing

3533
02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:02,479
units. And this site plan does uh

3534
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:04,880
include enough parking to accommodate

3535
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:06,560
both of those things within the town's

3536
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:09,990
code.

3537
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:12,160
The Christ Church site was a previously

3538
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:14,319
existing site that was updated with the

3539
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:18,000
last draft. It proposes 14 very

3540
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:20,800
lowincome units and one median income

3541
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:23,520
unit. Uh so a total of 15 units that

3542
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:26,720
you'll see on the site plan here. And uh

3543
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,680
it would be a twotory set to the far

3544
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:31,760
rear back of the site. It maintains the

3545
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:33,600
parking for the church as well as all

3546
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:36,720
the existing church uses. Um the main

3547
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,960
constraints on this site exist actually

3548
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:40,880
more towards the front of the site. So

3549
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:42,080
there were pretty minimal sight

3550
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:45,120
constraints when looking at where to uh

3551
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:49,280
propose the new units.

3552
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:52,479
And lastly, the Skyline open space site.

3553
02:28:52,479 --> 02:28:54,720
This was a new site added with the draft

3554
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:57,840
amendment. Uh it proposes 16 very

3555
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:01,200
lowincome units. Uh and for the

3556
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:03,920
conceptual site plan, we've included 16

3557
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:07,359
one-bedroom units. Uh this is to have a

3558
02:29:07,359 --> 02:29:11,120
more lowp profofile uh look of the site

3559
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:13,040
and considering that Skyline Boulevard

3560
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:16,240
is a scenic corridor. Um and it also

3561
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:19,280
accommodates the 200 foot scenic setback

3562
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:22,240
off of Skyline though uh there would be

3563
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:24,720
the potential for a 100 foot setback. So

3564
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:27,760
we've shown that as well. Um but we are

3565
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:30,080
going with the greater of the two. Um

3566
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,920
and so again these are one-bedroom

3567
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:35,600
units. Uh this is also uh to accommodate

3568
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:38,160
some of the infrastructure needs. Um so

3569
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:40,160
because of the limited utilities on the

3570
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:43,359
site uh there were discussions that um

3571
02:29:43,359 --> 02:29:45,120
there would need to be on-site

3572
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,040
wastewater treatment systems and it's

3573
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,840
best to accommodate these through uh

3574
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:53,200
smaller unit sizes. Um and so that's why

3575
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:55,840
we've gone with showing 16 individual

3576
02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:00,230
one-bedroom units on the site.

3577
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:02,479
The new program the language exact

3578
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:04,319
language is here if you want to take a

3579
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:07,840
moment to read it. Uh in summary it's

3580
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:10,640
would focus on establishing the NOA as

3581
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:14,319
discussed earlier um which would support

3582
02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:16,479
the development of 100% affordable

3583
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:18,479
housing projects and it would include

3584
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:20,720
incentives specifically for the housing

3585
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,840
element sites. Um, and these incentives,

3586
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:26,800
while they're not identified yet, um, an

3587
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:28,560
idea of it would be something like

3588
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:31,040
increase per unit subsidies over what

3589
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,920
some of the other affordable units might

3590
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:39,110
be able to receive or apply for.

3591
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:41,200
So, next steps, uh, tonight we're

3592
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,600
looking to receive direction from the

3593
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,880
council. Uh, and we'd like to ask the

3594
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:49,120
council consider by motion um

3595
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:51,680
authorizing staff to submit the draft

3596
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:54,640
housing element amendment to HCD. Uh,

3597
02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:56,560
the public comment period will remain

3598
02:30:56,560 --> 02:31:00,560
open through June 30th, 2026. So, um, we

3599
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:02,000
would not submit until that public

3600
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:06,000
comment period is closed. Um, and then

3601
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:08,240
following that, we would have 60 days

3602
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:10,240
that we'd be waiting to hear back from

3603
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:13,040
HCD. Uh and then we would receive a

3604
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:17,439
response from HCD as to next steps. Um

3605
02:31:17,439 --> 02:31:21,280
and then following that we would if HCD

3606
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:23,680
were to not have additional comments to

3607
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:25,280
address we would be bringing it forward

3608
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:28,160
to the town council for adoption. If

3609
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:29,600
there were additional comments we would

3610
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:32,640
be going through this process again. And

3611
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:35,200
lastly would just be implementation um

3612
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:37,359
which many of the items to implement the

3613
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:39,760
draft housing element amendment are

3614
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:44,399
already in draft um or complete.

3615
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:47,200
Thank you.

3616
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:56,309
>> Thank you. Clarifying questions.

3617
02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:57,920
» Um

3618
02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:00,800
okay. So I want to just confirm there's

3619
02:32:00,800 --> 02:32:02,560
nothing

3620
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:05,439
This is in response only to the HCD

3621
02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:08,160
comments that you listed. We're not

3622
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:11,520
trying to change anything else. And from

3623
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:13,600
your perspective, the changes are

3624
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:16,080
consistent with the prior housing

3625
02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:18,160
element, but updated like there's

3626
02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:19,760
nothing no surprise.

3627
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:21,680
>> Correct. Yeah. The only new addition

3628
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:23,600
would be that program. Everything else

3629
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:26,000
is just language that most of which

3630
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,680
would have already been discussed at

3631
02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:29,359
public meetings or a discussion of

3632
02:32:29,359 --> 02:32:31,359
establishing the sites. We've just

3633
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:34,479
bulked up the site analysis and content

3634
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:36,720
uh relating to each of the sites.

3635
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:41,590
>> So on page 126 of 407

3636
02:32:41,590 --> 02:32:42,319
[clears throat]

3637
02:32:42,319 --> 02:32:45,280
um it talks about mi mixed use zoning

3638
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:46,640
districts and there's a little more

3639
02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:49,680
redlinining in there than I thought was

3640
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:52,640
needed. Can you just confirm you were

3641
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:54,720
trying to clarify something there? It's

3642
02:32:54,720 --> 02:32:57,680
just above the site's inventory.

3643
02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:59,600
Um,

3644
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:02,720
it page six adequate site.

3645
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:05,840
>> Sorry, you said page 126.

3646
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:08,000
>> 126.

3647
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:11,600
Yes. Of 407. I'm clicking through the

3648
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:14,800
online link. So, I think that should be

3649
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:17,520
accurate. But it's a section entitled

3650
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:19,200
mixed use zoning districts

3651
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:23,200
>> or it's 119 if you're just looking at

3652
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:25,439
your packet. So Judith number is in the

3653
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:27,760
packet and it's 119 in the actual

3654
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:29,280
document

3655
02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:31,120
>> depending on which you're looking at.

3656
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,359
>> I'm in the actual document or I'm on the

3657
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:34,640
linked.

3658
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:36,319
>> Right. Well, the page number at the

3659
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:38,160
bottom of that page is 119.

3660
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:39,200
>> Yes. Yes.

3661
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:41,280
>> Even though I agree that PDF says 126.

3662
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:42,880
So I was just trying to help her

3663
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:44,240
depending on how she's trying to look it

3664
02:33:44,240 --> 02:33:46,240
up because she's got paper in front of

3665
02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:47,920
her. [laughter]

3666
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:49,520
>> I came prepared. I knew I was gonna have

3667
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:52,640
to screen share. Um so yeah the two the

3668
02:33:52,640 --> 02:33:55,040
mixed use zoning districts section.

3669
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:55,600
>> Yeah

3670
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:57,439
>> correct. Let me just give it a brief

3671
02:33:57,439 --> 02:33:59,280
look over.

3672
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:01,280
Yeah. So all of this language would have

3673
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:03,840
been related to the last draft. So we

3674
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:06,560
haven't altered this in in any way. It's

3675
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:10,560
really to address the

3676
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:14,000
uh updated mixeduse zoning um for each

3677
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,080
of these three sites. Um but nothing

3678
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:17,520
with that has changed since the last

3679
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:20,319
draft. Well, it's redlined.

3680
02:34:20,319 --> 02:34:22,319
So,

3681
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:23,760
thank you for asking that because it'll

3682
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:24,800
help provide some additional

3683
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:27,280
clarification. We did add um a

3684
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:31,200
supplemental document um online that

3685
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:34,720
highlights the version uh to try to

3686
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:37,520
differentiate between what red line is

3687
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:39,760
associated with the overall draft

3688
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:42,240
housing element amendment and the

3689
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:45,040
sections that were added as part of the

3690
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,680
uh this second draft if that makes

3691
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:50,560
sense. So just because it's red line

3692
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:52,319
doesn't necessarily mean we've added it

3693
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:54,160
with this current draft. We're

3694
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:56,399
maintaining the red line throughout the

3695
02:34:56,399 --> 02:34:58,560
entire draft housing element amendment

3696
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:01,280
while we're submitting to HCD. Uh just

3697
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:03,520
to ensure that there's clarity for them

3698
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:05,280
as to what's been updated from our

3699
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,160
original housing element.

3700
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:10,560
>> So it's a cumulative red line.

3701
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:12,640
>> Correct. Yeah. For the draft for the

3702
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:13,680
Yeah.

3703
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:16,880
>> Okay. Um, so there really isn't that

3704
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:19,600
much cumulative change. If I look at

3705
02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:22,640
this amount of redlinining, there's not

3706
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,880
it's very targeted. It looks like an

3707
02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:27,280
incremental red line.

3708
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:29,200
>> Yeah, the overall red line throughout

3709
02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:31,040
the document should be relatively

3710
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:32,560
minimal. You're going to see the bulk of

3711
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:35,120
it in terms of the housing the actual

3712
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:37,760
sites themselves um as those were

3713
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:39,760
deleted and updated. So there's a lot

3714
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:41,680
more red line there. But otherwise

3715
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,359
throughout the document, the red lines

3716
02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:46,479
would mostly be associated with the

3717
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:49,920
updated mixed use uh high density zoning

3718
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:52,240
and then um a little bit in the sites

3719
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:55,040
inventory just showing where some of

3720
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:56,800
those units moved around during the

3721
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:58,800
previous draft. But again, the sites

3722
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:01,920
inventory numbers remain the same as our

3723
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:04,080
original housing element.

3724
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,160
>> Okay. So this round you didn't make

3725
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:08,560
changes in that paragraph,

3726
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:11,439
>> correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you.

3727
02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:16,800
Becca. Um, so I I just want to clarify

3728
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:18,560
this redlinining situation because I

3729
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:21,520
looked at the link

3730
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:24,720
to the second draft version. So you're

3731
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:27,120
saying that the even if it's red line

3732
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:29,840
that doesn't distinguish what HCD has

3733
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:32,720
already seen.

3734
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:35,439
Correct. So the red line would have

3735
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:38,560
carry over would have carried over from

3736
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,640
the previous draft housing element

3737
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:45,040
amendment. So going back um to prior to

3738
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,080
January 23rd, 2026.

3739
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,720
Um so there's red line. If you have the

3740
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:53,200
document that's just redline that's the

3741
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,560
essentially clean in a way. Um that

3742
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:59,359
version is going to be anything that's

3743
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:01,200
been added to our housing element

3744
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:04,000
associated with the draft or deleted. Uh

3745
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:06,399
and then we added a version on the

3746
02:37:06,399 --> 02:37:09,200
website where staff went through and we

3747
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:12,160
added yellow highlight to anything that

3748
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:15,040
was added just with this draft.

3749
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:17,359
>> So how does HCD know whether or not you

3750
02:37:17,359 --> 02:37:19,760
responded to their question to their

3751
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:23,120
letter? We checked with HCD as to what

3752
02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,840
they wanted to receive and they wanted

3753
02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:29,280
the red line for the entire draft. So, I

3754
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:31,120
think they want to continue to see how

3755
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,760
it's cumulatively changing. Not that I

3756
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:35,920
can speak for them, but assuming they

3757
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:37,840
want to see what's cumulatively changing

3758
02:37:37,840 --> 02:37:40,000
from our original housing element before

3759
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:41,920
fully approving our draft amendment.

3760
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:44,800
>> Seems like more work for them, but who

3761
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:47,600
knows? They put it through AI anyway. I

3762
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:51,200
know that for a fact. Um,

3763
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:54,080
uh, so I had one substantive question

3764
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,560
and then I wanted, well, before I get to

3765
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:57,920
that one, I just wanted how do you want

3766
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:01,280
to handle typos and errors, the tiny

3767
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,680
little problems that I've seen in the

3768
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:05,680
document? How would be best to handle

3769
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:09,840
that? Because I have about 10 of them.

3770
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:13,040
I may defer to our town manager or our

3771
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:15,600
attorney, but I think if you wanted to

3772
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:18,000
provide those just in writing or in

3773
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,000
comments to us after the fact, we could

3774
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:23,200
go through and and fix any very minor

3775
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:24,720
typos.

3776
02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:26,560
>> Okay. So then my substantive one is

3777
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:29,359
related to this new total new program,

3778
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:33,680
the 45 NOA program. Um,

3779
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:36,319
how was the decision made to word that

3780
02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:39,280
so that it only accommodates 100%

3781
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:42,319
affordable housing

3782
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:45,280
projects as opposed to mixed affordable

3783
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:47,920
housing?

3784
02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:51,120
We worked with a consultant who has

3785
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:52,240
worked on these in several

3786
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:53,680
jurisdictions. this was their

3787
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:56,160
recommendation in terms of the NOA

3788
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:58,000
language but I think there could be room

3789
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:00,399
to discuss um if there is something that

3790
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:02,319
might better suit the town and our

3791
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:04,080
priorities. Did you discuss the idea of

3792
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:06,800
limiting of not having it for 100% but

3793
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:10,319
instead having it phrased so that the

3794
02:39:10,319 --> 02:39:14,319
funding would go to VLI and LI unit

3795
02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:16,479
regardless of whether or not the whole

3796
02:39:16,479 --> 02:39:19,280
project is 100% or not but because what

3797
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:22,880
we need is VLI units more so than 100%

3798
02:39:22,880 --> 02:39:24,640
affordable which could include moderate

3799
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:28,000
affordable as well um could even include

3800
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:31,120
100% um moderate affordable which is the

3801
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,080
last thing we need. So um was there any

3802
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:37,040
discussion of just spelling out that we

3803
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,359
you know this would be money for VLI and

3804
02:39:39,359 --> 02:39:41,680
LI unit?

3805
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:43,359
>> Not specifically.

3806
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:47,600
>> Okay. Um can I just jump in? I I think

3807
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:50,080
that could be reasonable though because

3808
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:52,880
I don't think this town has

3809
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:54,399
well

3810
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:56,160
affordable housing housing is new to

3811
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:58,160
this town. We don't know exactly what

3812
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:00,720
we'll get. But I think if you if you you

3813
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:02,319
look at what we're trying to accomplish

3814
02:40:02,319 --> 02:40:03,520
in the housing element, it's to

3815
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:05,920
accomplish very low and low income. And

3816
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:07,439
I think we just would be grateful for

3817
02:40:07,439 --> 02:40:09,040
any opportunity we have to provide

3818
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:12,150
assistance.

3819
02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:15,590
Um

3820
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:19,280
let's see. 47 page document.

3821
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:21,439
Um

3822
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:22,960
let's see. I have a typo. I have a

3823
02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:24,800
correction. Substantive. We talked about

3824
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:28,560
that. Um, so, um, what was HCD's advice

3825
02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:32,240
about correcting the document?

3826
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,640
Um, there's a lot of things that have

3827
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:37,200
changed since this original document was

3828
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:40,399
um, passed back in May or whatever, two,

3829
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:43,439
a year ago, two years ago. Um, and

3830
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:44,960
things that we've accomplished since

3831
02:40:44,960 --> 02:40:47,200
then. So, we've put in place all these

3832
02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:49,439
new zonings. We've done all this other

3833
02:40:49,439 --> 02:40:51,760
stuff that we committed to doing, we did

3834
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:53,600
it. Now,

3835
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,680
what was HCG's advice about kind of

3836
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:57,280
updating some of these things where we

3837
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,680
say we will do the redo the zoning in

3838
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,880
March of 2024 and now we've done it. So,

3839
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:07,520
they said not to just just to leave it the way it

3840
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,520
was or

3841
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:12,000
>> uh yeah, HCD didn't provide any comments

3842
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:14,800
on that um in their letter specifically

3843
02:41:14,800 --> 02:41:18,000
this time.

3844
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:19,600
>> Planning building director. So, one of

3845
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:21,359
the other things to look at is that this

3846
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:23,520
plan is a moment in time.

3847
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:26,080
>> Adoption date is the adoption date and

3848
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:28,160
we're tracking other progress outside of

3849
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:30,080
the plan. So, going back and amending it

3850
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:33,280
truly is look very specific amendments,

3851
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:34,640
you know, when we're doing the updates

3852
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:36,319
to the sites and then to address the

3853
02:41:36,319 --> 02:41:39,359
comments, but not to go back and, you

3854
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:40,800
know, have this as like a living

3855
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:41,920
document.

3856
02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:44,800
>> Okay. And then um we discussed a little

3857
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:47,600
bit about the the idea of going our our

3858
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:51,200
current multif family is a 20 to 23

3859
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:53,760
um and then we had a discussion a little

3860
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:57,120
bit about the 20 to 25. Um could you

3861
02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:58,800
talk a little bit about that that the

3862
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:01,280
decision to go to 20 to 25 as opposed to

3863
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:08,309
staying at the 20 to 20?

3864
02:42:08,319 --> 02:42:10,479
Um, so that was previous discussions

3865
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:11,920
with town council and planning

3866
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:14,399
commission that was decided upon and

3867
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:17,120
approved for the submitt of the last

3868
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:20,720
draft. Um, from my understanding.

3869
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:23,200
>> Okay. Okay. The rest of mine are all

3870
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:24,160
little typo things.

3871
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:26,560
>> I can add a little bit more on to that.

3872
02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:30,160
There still is a 20 to 23 in there and

3873
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:32,240
that's for our multif family. these

3874
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:33,920
sites are the only sites that are going

3875
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:35,760
to have the mixeduse high density and

3876
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:37,120
that's the only sites that are going to

3877
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:40,240
go up to 25. Um, and so I think that's

3878
02:42:40,240 --> 02:42:42,640
just to accommodate additional units

3879
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:46,399
that were necessary um to meet our arena

3880
02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:47,760
numbers.

3881
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:50,319
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

3882
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:54,710
very

3883
02:42:54,720 --> 02:42:58,800
» the NOA program is sort of new to me and

3884
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:00,960
can you help me just a little bit

3885
02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:05,200
understand whether there's any uh any uh

3886
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:07,600
point of pressure that the town actually

3887
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:10,399
has some ability to adjust where we see

3888
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:16,160
the NOA funds being done or is there any control or are we just

3889
02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:19,680
saying go for it with this? So the town

3890
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:22,080
would have

3891
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:23,040
essentially [clears throat] a document

3892
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:26,240
which would be the actual NOA itself. Um

3893
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,640
so the notice would contain uh

3894
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:32,479
provisions as to what can apply for the

3895
02:43:32,479 --> 02:43:34,880
available funding, what funding might be

3896
02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:38,240
available, how much of it you could

3897
02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:40,080
identify per unit, you could identify

3898
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:44,000
how much per um the affordability level.

3899
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:46,319
So there's a lot of things that the town

3900
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:48,720
would have control over in terms of what

3901
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:52,240
we would incorporate into the actual NOA

3902
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:56,240
itself. Uh and so that's the program is

3903
02:43:56,240 --> 02:43:59,760
not tying us to those exact provisions

3904
02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:02,240
other than maybe

3905
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:04,399
the 100% if that was direction we

3906
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:06,640
received. But having the program in

3907
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:08,479
there itself is really just committing

3908
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:11,439
us to at least publish a NOA. So

3909
02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:14,399
publicly developers that are interested

3910
02:44:14,399 --> 02:44:16,960
in building affordable units would know

3911
02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:18,720
that we have x amount of funding

3912
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:20,399
available and how much they might be

3913
02:44:20,399 --> 02:44:22,960
able to come in apply for. Um and then

3914
02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:25,520
we would be selecting if they could and

3915
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:27,359
how much they could receive. And so

3916
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:29,200
there's a lot of flexibility in there

3917
02:44:29,200 --> 02:44:30,800
still that we would be able to

3918
02:44:30,800 --> 02:44:33,680
incorporate in the physical NOA itself.

3919
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,880
So u I guess it comes under the heading

3920
02:44:36,880 --> 02:44:40,479
of can we show preference in the NOA as

3921
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:42,720
to location.

3922
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:46,319
>> Our understanding is yes. Um we can

3923
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:48,640
identify certain sites in our housing

3924
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:52,800
element that uh we would like to

3925
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:56,560
encourage or provide those funds to. Um

3926
02:44:56,560 --> 02:44:58,560
please correct me if I'm wrong,

3927
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:00,960
Catherine. Um, but my understanding is

3928
02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:02,720
yes, you can provide that as long as

3929
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:05,200
it's clearly laid out in the in the NOA

3930
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:06,479
itself.

3931
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:08,880
>> Thank you.

3932
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:10,960
Amazing. That it, Mary.

3933
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:11,359
>> Yep.

3934
02:45:11,359 --> 02:45:12,960
>> Thank you, Ellen.

3935
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:16,240
>> So, um, uh, I appreciate what you guys

3936
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:19,520
have done with the update um, and

3937
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:23,520
meeting HCDs around the infrastructure.

3938
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:25,600
um the NOA.

3939
02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:28,160
Um a couple of things actually before I

3940
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:30,640
get into the NOA. Um Council Member

3941
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:35,680
Flynn's comments about 100% versus um

3942
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:40,240
BLI, I did want to flag Santa Clara now

3943
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:42,720
County, San Monteo, I am not finding it,

3944
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:45,359
but Sam Santa Clara County also now has

3945
02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:48,880
acutely low income, which is 15%. Which

3946
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:53,120
I'd never seen before. Um so um I wanted

3947
02:45:53,120 --> 02:45:56,000
to flag that so because that's even

3948
02:45:56,000 --> 02:46:00,800
lower than extreme actually acute. Um so

3949
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:06,399
I you know um and I also I know

3950
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:08,479
sometimes developers have a hard time if

3951
02:46:08,479 --> 02:46:11,680
they don't have access to for you know

3952
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:15,120
all the different levels. So

3953
02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:19,200
just saying that um in terms of the NOA

3954
02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:22,160
is it similar to community land trust

3955
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:25,520
kind of idea but it's not

3956
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:26,800
like

3957
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:29,760
>> I'm not sure. I think if you could

3958
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:31,439
rephrase or add on to your question

3959
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:32,560
maybe that'll help or

3960
02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:34,319
>> Okay. Can you go to the slide about the

3961
02:46:34,319 --> 02:46:37,910
NOA

3962
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:42,080
the new program? Right. So an affordable

3963
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:45,760
housing trust fund. So this is through

3964
02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:49,120
um so community land trust is actually

3965
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:51,200
usually a separate entity but this is

3966
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:54,080
still managed by the town, right? This

3967
02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:56,000
affordable housing trust fund.

3968
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:57,040
>> This is our fund,

3969
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:57,439
>> right?

3970
02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:58,000
>> Yeah.

3971
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:01,200
>> Okay. Great. Okay. Just wanted to

3972
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:02,960
clarify that it was not a community

3973
02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:04,399
trust fund.

3974
02:47:04,399 --> 02:47:05,120
>> Yeah.

3975
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:06,800
>> Great. Those are my questions. Thank

3976
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:07,680
you.

3977
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:09,439
>> Thank you.

3978
02:47:09,439 --> 02:47:10,880
Um, I just had a couple of quick

3979
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:13,439
questions. Um, I it doesn't sound like

3980
02:47:13,439 --> 02:47:16,080
we have to define the NOA today, but I'm

3981
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:18,640
with Rebecca. I like the idea of a VLI

3982
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:21,680
and an LI rather than 100%. I I think

3983
02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:23,520
that the more we can do to help

3984
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:26,319
encourage people to build um the better.

3985
02:47:26,319 --> 02:47:29,680
So, I I would be in favor of that. Um,

3986
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:31,359
you said this would come back to the

3987
02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:32,880
council. Does it also go to planning

3988
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:35,359
commission when it comes back

3989
02:47:35,359 --> 02:47:37,520
>> for

3990
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:40,000
your in your timeline? It

3991
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:42,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. It comes back through. So I

3992
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:43,279
just you didn't have it there. I just

3993
02:47:43,279 --> 02:47:46,000
wanted to clarify that. Um and then

3994
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:48,319
finally on the subsidies um through the

3995
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:50,399
NOA this is going to be like prevailing

3996
02:47:50,399 --> 02:47:52,240
wage and things like I mean will will

3997
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:54,319
all that be whatever the requirements

3998
02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:56,479
are will those be defined because I know

3999
02:47:56,479 --> 02:47:58,080
when we were dealing with some other

4000
02:47:58,080 --> 02:47:59,840
low-income housing here we ran into a

4001
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:01,359
bunch of problems where we wanted to

4002
02:48:01,359 --> 02:48:03,040
help and then it was like oh well it's

4003
02:48:03,040 --> 02:48:04,399
didn't have prevailing wage and this and

4004
02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:08,000
that. So the NA clearly defines what you

4005
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,640
need to do to to meet the requirements

4006
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:12,640
for the funds in addition to what they

4007
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:14,080
could apply to.

4008
02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:14,640
>> Correct. Yeah.

4009
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,399
>> Got Okay, perfect. That's my questions.

4010
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:19,439
Thank you.

4011
02:48:19,439 --> 02:48:22,160
Okay. Um,

4012
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:24,399
so let me open it up for public

4013
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:25,279
comments.

4014
02:48:25,279 --> 02:48:27,120
>> Could I ask one more quick question?

4015
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:29,439
What kind of comments in the public have

4016
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:30,960
you heard in general? Have you gotten

4017
02:48:30,960 --> 02:48:32,720
anything submitted?

4018
02:48:32,720 --> 02:48:35,200
>> We've received one public comment. Uh,

4019
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:38,640
so far, uh, staff received it late this

4020
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:40,800
afternoon, so we haven't had a chance to

4021
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:43,439
really look much into it. Um, generally

4022
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:45,920
speaking, I would say it's relating um

4023
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:49,359
more to traffic flow, those kinds of

4024
02:48:49,359 --> 02:48:55,990
things.

4025
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,240
» All right. So, let me open up for public

4026
02:48:58,240 --> 02:48:59,600
comment. Is there any public comment in

4027
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:08,070
the room? Please come up to the mic.

4028
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:08,880
» Welcome.

4029
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:11,200
>> Hi. Thanks. Um, I'm not sure there are

4030
02:49:11,200 --> 02:49:12,479
comments or questions because I'm not

4031
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:14,080
sure exactly, but I can make them and

4032
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:14,880
they can be

4033
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:16,640
>> So, they can be

4034
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:17,920
>> Well, if you make them into comments

4035
02:49:17,920 --> 02:49:19,600
because this is public comment, that's

4036
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:22,080
always the best. Um, if they're

4037
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,080
questions that other council members

4038
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:26,000
feel would help enlighten a council,

4039
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:27,840
they can sometimes ask to get them

4040
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:28,479
answered.

4041
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:32,000
>> Okay. So, um, one of the comments I have

4042
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:33,760
is I'm confused when you talk about

4043
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,760
developers and

4044
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:37,279
>> and you probably want to be closer to

4045
02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:37,680
the

4046
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:39,200
>> Sorry, I'm confused with some of the

4047
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:41,279
comment about it's available for

4048
02:49:41,279 --> 02:49:44,640
developers, but there are specific sites

4049
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:46,479
listed and some of them are developers

4050
02:49:46,479 --> 02:49:48,080
themselves.

4051
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:50,800
So, is it related to those people only

4052
02:49:50,800 --> 02:49:53,359
or anyone could come to those sites even

4053
02:49:53,359 --> 02:49:54,800
though they're privately owned? So

4054
02:49:54,800 --> 02:49:56,319
that's a little confusing to me as to

4055
02:49:56,319 --> 02:49:59,359
what the relationship is between the

4056
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,760
generic term developers and the owners

4057
02:50:01,760 --> 02:50:04,640
of those particular properties

4058
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,000
because they're not really open to any

4059
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:11,110
developer if I'm not mistaken

4060
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:12,560
» through the mayor. Do would you like me

4061
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:13,439
to address [clears throat] that?

4062
02:50:13,439 --> 02:50:14,880
>> Uh if you

4063
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:16,479
>> I might suggest just so your time

4064
02:50:16,479 --> 02:50:18,000
doesn't run out that if you have more

4065
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:19,279
questions maybe you can go through all

4066
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:21,040
of them.

4067
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:22,640
If one of the sites doesn't move

4068
02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:23,760
forward,

4069
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:25,520
>> it's like the owner of that site decides

4070
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:26,880
they don't want to do this because it's

4071
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:30,000
economically not viable. How does the

4072
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,399
city get other sites since there's only

4073
02:50:32,399 --> 02:50:35,040
a very limited number?

4074
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:37,359
And we're now I know at one point

4075
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:38,640
someone had raised a question in a

4076
02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:40,000
different meeting that they called this

4077
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,240
low-income housing and they were

4078
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:44,240
corrected very vehemently that this is

4079
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:46,080
not as affordable housing. But by

4080
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:49,680
reading page 142, this is defined as

4081
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:51,520
very low-income, low-income, and ultra-

4082
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:53,359
lowincome. So, I think there might be

4083
02:50:53,359 --> 02:50:54,880
some misunderstandings in the community

4084
02:50:54,880 --> 02:50:57,359
that this is actually lowincome housing,

4085
02:50:57,359 --> 02:50:59,520
and we should be very open and honest

4086
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:01,680
about that.

4087
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:04,800
Um, and the NOVA, does that go to the

4088
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:06,640
buyers of the property or the developers

4089
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:10,319
of the property? And not sure clearly

4090
02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:13,760
how that was intended to work.

4091
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:16,560
Um,

4092
02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:18,240
in the proposal there were a couple

4093
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:22,479
comments about um changes to

4094
02:51:22,479 --> 02:51:24,080
environmental and other rules and

4095
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:25,600
regulations and specifically at the

4096
02:51:25,600 --> 02:51:29,200
village site that there would be um some

4097
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:31,040
very large trees that needs to get cut

4098
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:33,520
down. And my question is not specific to

4099
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:35,760
that but just in general does does this

4100
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:39,600
wave any requirements by developers in

4101
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:43,120
any of the sites to not follow all the

4102
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:44,560
environmental and other legal

4103
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:46,800
obligations they have or are there

4104
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:48,399
remedies that are available for them to

4105
02:51:48,399 --> 02:51:50,479
get around those?

4106
02:51:50,479 --> 02:51:51,840
So, it wasn't clear for me in the

4107
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:53,760
description. Since it stated that they

4108
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:55,359
would have to be cutting down trees,

4109
02:51:55,359 --> 02:51:57,840
that implies that that's an approved

4110
02:51:57,840 --> 02:51:59,439
>> decision since it's stated in the

4111
02:51:59,439 --> 02:52:04,550
document.

4112
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:06,080
» Those are sort of common questions.

4113
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:07,359
>> Those are my comment questions.

4114
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:08,960
>> Um, I don't know if you guys got those

4115
02:52:08,960 --> 02:52:10,800
or not. If if you want to answer them

4116
02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:12,479
now or the other thing we could do is

4117
02:52:12,479 --> 02:52:14,479
potentially look at the recording,

4118
02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:16,080
answer them and post them on the website

4119
02:52:16,080 --> 02:52:18,399
so that they're publicly available.

4120
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:20,319
>> Whichever you prefer. I could answer

4121
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:21,680
some of them now and

4122
02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:23,279
>> sure it yeah

4123
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:25,760
>> so relating to who could apply to the

4124
02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:28,160
NOA uh that would be something that

4125
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:31,760
would be laid out in our published NOA

4126
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:35,439
uh it likely some of the draft language

4127
02:52:35,439 --> 02:52:37,200
that we currently have would be it's for

4128
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:39,840
nonprofits for-profit organizations

4129
02:52:39,840 --> 02:52:41,680
limited liability companies you know the

4130
02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:44,800
list goes on so it could essentially be

4131
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:46,800
open to anyone who wanted to apply for

4132
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:51,359
that NA um The

4133
02:52:51,359 --> 02:52:53,439
second question, sorry I'm trying to

4134
02:52:53,439 --> 02:52:55,600
think through them all. Um, there's

4135
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:58,080
another question regarding uh their com

4136
02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:01,040
the commitment to the tree removals and

4137
02:53:01,040 --> 02:53:04,080
those kinds of things. Uh, nothing in

4138
02:53:04,080 --> 02:53:06,479
the housing element or the housing

4139
02:53:06,479 --> 02:53:09,200
element amendment is an approval of any

4140
02:53:09,200 --> 02:53:11,520
sort. So, um, any applicant that's

4141
02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:13,120
coming in, whether they're at a housing

4142
02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:15,439
element site or another site, would

4143
02:53:15,439 --> 02:53:18,000
still have to go through the required

4144
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:21,600
process, whichever is indicated. Um, if

4145
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:23,120
it's going through a discretionary

4146
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:24,640
review process, it would go through the

4147
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:26,160
appropriate discretionary review. If

4148
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:27,920
it's a streamlined ministerial approval

4149
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:29,600
project, it would go through that

4150
02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:31,279
ministerial process, but everything

4151
02:53:31,279 --> 02:53:33,200
would be reviewed with the town code and

4152
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:36,640
with state law. Um, I think I'm blanking

4153
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:37,920
on some of the other questions, but I

4154
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:42,319
hope that help. So, one of them was if one of the new areas didn't get

4155
02:53:42,319 --> 02:53:44,640
built, what are the consequences? And my

4156
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:47,040
understanding is if we zone it, it's up

4157
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:48,880
to builders to build it. It's not up to

4158
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:50,880
us to force anybody to build it.

4159
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:51,680
>> Yeah, that's correct.

4160
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:54,080
>> And the next cycle, we may have to then

4161
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:56,640
rethink this, but in this cycle, it's up

4162
02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:58,720
to a developer to decide to build it or

4163
02:53:58,720 --> 02:53:59,840
not.

4164
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:00,479
>> Correct. Yeah.

4165
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:02,560
>> So, I think we got generally your

4166
02:54:02,560 --> 02:54:04,560
questions. Is if there's more, please

4167
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:06,479
send them in.

4168
02:54:06,479 --> 02:54:08,640
Also you you asked about the private

4169
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:12,399
property rights versus a developer. Um

4170
02:54:12,399 --> 02:54:14,560
generally it's private property rights

4171
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:17,439
and they can work with a developer. They

4172
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:19,920
can develop it themselves. You know it's

4173
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:22,560
up to the property owner to how they

4174
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:24,800
would like to move forward. So for

4175
02:54:24,800 --> 02:54:27,520
instance thea church which is you know

4176
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:30,160
is working with habitat for humanity.

4177
02:54:30,160 --> 02:54:31,920
Something else about developers you need

4178
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:33,760
to be aware of is there are two types.

4179
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:36,080
There's at market rate and then there's

4180
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:39,040
affordable housing developers. So two

4181
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:41,359
different they get their capital stack

4182
02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:44,479
from different sources.

4183
02:54:44,479 --> 02:54:46,479
So generally affordable housing works

4184
02:54:46,479 --> 02:54:49,040
with affordable housing developers. So

4185
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:52,240
different sources of uh of affordable

4186
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:57,200
housing uh capital to get it built.

4187
02:54:57,200 --> 02:54:57,840
>> Thank you.

4188
02:54:57,840 --> 02:54:58,319
>> Thanks.

4189
02:54:58,319 --> 02:55:00,479
>> All right. Any other in the room? All

4190
02:55:00,479 --> 02:55:08,790
right. Then I'll go online. Christie.

4191
02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:11,920
» Yeah. I was wondering if you can just

4192
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:16,479
explain the differences between

4193
02:55:16,479 --> 02:55:19,920
different developers and how they

4194
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:24,550
perform housing.

4195
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:26,319
» He's asking different kinds of

4196
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:29,359
developers. So I mean sort of nonprofit

4197
02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:32,479
versus for-profit.

4198
02:55:32,479 --> 02:55:35,359
Can you make it a quick

4199
02:55:35,359 --> 02:55:37,359
>> Is that it, Christie?

4200
02:55:37,359 --> 02:55:38,160
>> Yep.

4201
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:39,680
>> Okay, great. I We just don't want your

4202
02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:40,880
timer to run out. Okay.

4203
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:42,960
>> So, yeah. So, Christie, I'll take this

4204
02:55:42,960 --> 02:55:44,640
one if that's okay. I mean, affordable

4205
02:55:44,640 --> 02:55:46,880
housing developers usually have five to

4206
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:52,000
nine sources of uh of places to of

4207
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:56,319
capital. Um they're, you know, 4%

4208
02:55:56,319 --> 02:56:00,560
um lowinccome tax credits, 9% low income

4209
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:04,240
tax credits, um a more the mortgage,

4210
02:56:04,240 --> 02:56:06,960
um the revenue from the rents that the

4211
02:56:06,960 --> 02:56:10,319
people pay, you know, so it's and then

4212
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:13,680
local the local funding sources from the

4213
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:16,880
local cities. there are five sources for

4214
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:19,200
and then sometimes I was at a ribbon

4215
02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:20,720
cutting a few weeks ago and they had

4216
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:23,279
nine sources you know sometimes the

4217
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:25,680
county comes in it just depends on the

4218
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:30,560
development um so um and that's how

4219
02:56:30,560 --> 02:56:35,600
these projects get built it and it's a lot of paperwork and a lot of

4220
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:38,160
tracking and a lot of administration

4221
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:39,359
over it

4222
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:41,520
>> so and I'm happy to talk to you

4223
02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:44,160
>> yeah the public needs to understand all

4224
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:48,240
this and so the more open sessions we

4225
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:51,600
can have to understand this please

4226
02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:54,080
provide it. Thank you.

4227
02:56:54,080 --> 02:56:56,479
>> Thank you Christie.

4228
02:56:56,479 --> 02:56:57,680
All right. Anyone else in the

4229
02:56:57,680 --> 02:57:00,160
schoolhouse? Anyone else online? All

4230
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:01,520
right. I'm going to close public

4231
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:03,359
comment.

4232
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:06,160
Bring it back to the council. So are

4233
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:08,240
there other um discussion points?

4234
02:57:08,240 --> 02:57:11,840
Otherwise, um we to consider authorizing

4235
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:15,279
staff to submit this um draft housing

4236
02:57:15,279 --> 02:57:18,479
element to this state HCD.

4237
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:23,590
So other comments before we

4238
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,560
» So I know we're dealing with a lot at

4239
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:31,120
the moment, but I I do have to say that

4240
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:34,399
having a 400page document to read on top

4241
02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:37,920
of 300 on top of whatever all in one

4242
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:40,160
meeting.

4243
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:42,319
I don't think it does the public the

4244
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:45,359
service they're owed and I don't think

4245
02:57:45,359 --> 02:57:47,920
it does the council

4246
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:50,960
well either because

4247
02:57:50,960 --> 02:57:54,160
it's so easily interpreted

4248
02:57:54,160 --> 02:57:58,080
as you know a rubber stamp or anything.

4249
02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:00,560
So, I just want to put that out there

4250
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:04,000
because we do have to figure out how to

4251
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:07,200
build in a process so people can feel

4252
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:09,600
like they're they're informed while

4253
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:11,600
moving things at a time that's

4254
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:12,880
difficult. So, I just want to

4255
02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:14,880
acknowledge that that's something we're

4256
02:58:14,880 --> 02:58:17,200
all dealing with and we should continue

4257
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:22,319
to think about how to stage that. Um, so

4258
02:58:22,319 --> 02:58:24,160
for something like this that's so

4259
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:25,920
important,

4260
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:29,600
um, I think you've done a nice job. I

4261
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:31,600
would have liked more time with it to be

4262
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:34,399
honest because it is so dense and the

4263
02:58:34,399 --> 02:58:37,200
redlinining for me was extra confusing.

4264
02:58:37,200 --> 02:58:39,279
Now you've you've done a great job

4265
02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:42,479
clarifying it today. So thank you. Um,

4266
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:45,359
but I do think it seems in good shape.

4267
02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:47,359
You've been thoughtful. I'm pretty

4268
02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:49,600
comfortable with it. So, I I thank you

4269
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:51,920
for all your efforts.

4270
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:53,840
>> Thank you,

4271
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:54,960
Rebecca.

4272
02:58:54,960 --> 02:59:00,000
>> Um, so my only um well, the main thing I

4273
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:03,040
have is the the NOA language. I really

4274
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:04,720
the reality is that Portola Valley

4275
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:08,000
doesn't need 100% affordable housing

4276
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,920
developments.

4277
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:14,080
um what we need is funding for VLI or or

4278
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:16,240
less or even acutely or extremely though

4279
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:18,479
I don't think we'll be able to support

4280
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:22,640
those that level of need but our housing

4281
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:24,800
you our housing element really requires

4282
02:59:24,800 --> 02:59:28,000
VLI that's where we have a big gap um

4283
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:30,479
and we've learned from uh Habitat for

4284
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:33,840
Humanity that it that developer even

4285
02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:35,760
affordable housing developers such as

4286
02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:38,560
Habitat for Humanity have tremendous

4287
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:40,560
expertise in building affordable housing

4288
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:44,160
units. They cannot pencil out VLIs. Um

4289
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:47,040
so it's very important that we would

4290
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:49,840
dedicate um our affordable housing funds

4291
02:59:49,840 --> 02:59:52,240
towards supporting the building of VIS

4292
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:54,080
and most of the developers that might

4293
02:59:54,080 --> 02:59:55,600
come into the town, even affordable

4294
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:59,040
housing developers um will need the

4295
02:59:59,040 --> 03:00:01,680
extra public support to put in some VLIs

4296
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:04,160
in addition to their other affordable

4297
03:00:04,160 --> 03:00:06,640
units. I mean, as a principal, my

4298
03:00:06,640 --> 03:00:08,560
personal preference, and I think it fits

4299
03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:11,920
much better into Portol Valley, is to um

4300
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:15,120
have mixed income

4301
03:00:15,120 --> 03:00:16,720
uh developments for multif family

4302
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:19,520
developments and mixed use to encourage

4303
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:22,720
mixed income units. Um I think it would

4304
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:26,319
fit much better into the town. Um so for

4305
03:00:26,319 --> 03:00:28,880
that, I would change that language to

4306
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:32,080
say to support the development of VLI or

4307
03:00:32,080 --> 03:00:35,680
LI units. I think VLI is broad enough

4308
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:38,479
term that it also includes lower even

4309
03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:41,680
lower levels. Um

4310
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:44,880
so that would be my main change to the

4311
03:00:44,880 --> 03:00:45,439
document.

4312
03:00:45,439 --> 03:00:47,840
>> One clarifying do does the NOA language

4313
03:00:47,840 --> 03:00:50,000
go to HCD or just that we'll have a

4314
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:50,880
notice?

4315
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:52,880
>> No, the NOA language is just done

4316
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:54,000
through the town's process.

4317
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:56,479
>> Right. So, I think we can fix that later

4318
03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:57,520
to get what cuz

4319
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:59,600
>> No, I I I want it fixed in the safety

4320
03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:01,200
element because I do not want it going

4321
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:04,160
to only 100% affordable projects. I want

4322
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:06,319
it to be able to go to we would this

4323
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:08,720
money would not be able to go to uh

4324
03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:11,279
Valley Fair uh village would not be able

4325
03:01:11,279 --> 03:01:13,520
to village would not be able to go to

4326
03:01:13,520 --> 03:01:17,359
Christ Church um

4327
03:01:17,359 --> 03:01:19,200
because neither of those are 100%

4328
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:20,319
affordable. So,

4329
03:01:20,319 --> 03:01:21,840
>> right, what I meant was the draft

4330
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:24,240
housing element doesn't have the NOA

4331
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:25,200
language in it. So,

4332
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:27,920
>> it does it has that particular that

4333
03:01:27,920 --> 03:01:30,080
little statement says it's the money

4334
03:01:30,080 --> 03:01:31,840
will be used for 100% affordable

4335
03:01:31,840 --> 03:01:32,479
projects.

4336
03:01:32,479 --> 03:01:34,960
>> I thought I just asked so is do we have

4337
03:01:34,960 --> 03:01:38,240
to update that in this amendment or

4338
03:01:38,240 --> 03:01:39,760
>> I think if it's if we don't want to

4339
03:01:39,760 --> 03:01:42,160
commit to 100% then I would recommend

4340
03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:45,200
that we modify the language. If I could

4341
03:01:45,200 --> 03:01:48,240
make a simple recommendation, I think um

4342
03:01:48,240 --> 03:01:50,640
we could also leave there were

4343
03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:52,640
discussions about this that we could

4344
03:01:52,640 --> 03:01:55,120
leave the program more general which

4345
03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:57,840
will give us more flexibility with the

4346
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:03,600
NOA itself. Um the caveat being um from

4347
03:02:03,600 --> 03:02:05,439
our understanding HCD does like

4348
03:02:05,439 --> 03:02:07,359
specifics. So, that could be something

4349
03:02:07,359 --> 03:02:08,800
that they might come back with

4350
03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:11,200
additional specifics, but we could go

4351
03:02:11,200 --> 03:02:14,000
more general and simply just strike out

4352
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:16,880
um the 100% and say to support

4353
03:02:16,880 --> 03:02:19,359
affordable housing projects. Um and then

4354
03:02:19,359 --> 03:02:23,120
the NOA itself would define the very

4355
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:25,200
low, really low, whatever we want to

4356
03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:26,160
define.

4357
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:28,080
>> I would be concerned that then we would

4358
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:30,640
have uh people who have moderate income

4359
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:32,640
projects wanting for to claiming that

4360
03:02:32,640 --> 03:02:34,640
they should also be able to get this

4361
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:36,240
money. That's why I would prefer to have

4362
03:02:36,240 --> 03:02:39,920
it just go to VI and LI and that's it.

4363
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:42,160
People know what to expect. VLI is a

4364
03:02:42,160 --> 03:02:44,399
term that considers the lower levels and

4365
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:47,359
LI, you know, is is would make an option

4366
03:02:47,359 --> 03:02:49,920
too. Um the NOA could then specify the

4367
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:52,080
VLI units would get a higher number

4368
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:53,760
higher amount of funding than an LI

4369
03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:57,439
unit. Um, but the actual document I

4370
03:02:57,439 --> 03:02:59,760
think should say VLI and LII because the

4371
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:01,920
reality is um there's a lot of funding

4372
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:04,720
available for 100% affordable housing

4373
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:06,160
projects.

4374
03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:07,760
>> The state has it the uh

4375
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:10,640
>> no, it's overs subscribed. It's really

4376
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:13,520
hard to get in this area because of our

4377
03:03:13,520 --> 03:03:15,840
cost of living. It's extraordinarily

4378
03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:20,399
hard to get. So and as we talk to

4379
03:03:20,399 --> 03:03:23,120
Habitat for Humanity, they can't build

4380
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:25,760
at those levels even if we support if

4381
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:28,399
you know like so this blocks out the

4382
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:31,520
potential potentially from more things

4383
03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:35,600
getting built. So I like more affordable

4384
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:38,240
housing in general. So, I agree that I

4385
03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:43,600
want to support VLI, but I'm really concerned by saying that it has

4386
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:46,640
to be VLI that we that developers are

4387
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:49,040
going to look at it and and they're not

4388
03:03:49,040 --> 03:03:52,000
going to be able to build it VLI or LI.

4389
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:55,200
>> Yes, both. So, I'm worried about that by

4390
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:58,479
limiting it. You know, I would recommend

4391
03:03:58,479 --> 03:04:01,120
personally what I would say is 100%

4392
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:02,800
affordable

4393
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:05,680
units, right? so that they could be in

4394
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:10,479
the mixed unit. Um and you know our like

4395
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:13,600
the state funds are

4396
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:15,279
hugely overs subscribed.

4397
03:04:15,279 --> 03:04:16,880
>> Yeah. But then if you look at a mixed

4398
03:04:16,880 --> 03:04:18,800
affordable development, there's no

4399
03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:20,479
funding. One there's absolutely no

4400
03:04:20,479 --> 03:04:22,240
funding for that type of thing. So you

4401
03:04:22,240 --> 03:04:24,160
can get a a private developer who's

4402
03:04:24,160 --> 03:04:27,840
willing to do some LI or VLI units. They

4403
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:29,279
just they'll never pencil out because

4404
03:04:29,279 --> 03:04:31,439
they can't get any support. Whereas if

4405
03:04:31,439 --> 03:04:34,160
you do a 100% affordable development,

4406
03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:36,479
you can at least apply even though it is

4407
03:04:36,479 --> 03:04:38,080
overs subscribed, you can at least apply

4408
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:39,600
for something. Whereas if you have a

4409
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:41,200
mixed affordable project, there's

4410
03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:42,960
absolutely no money you can afford. So

4411
03:04:42,960 --> 03:04:45,120
the reality in Port Valley is nothing is

4412
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:46,399
going to be built here at 100%

4413
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:48,319
affordable. There's it's just not going

4414
03:04:48,319 --> 03:04:50,319
to pencil out with the cost of the uh

4415
03:04:50,319 --> 03:04:53,200
the land. So if we have any hope of

4416
03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:55,279
having VLI units, we have to allow

4417
03:04:55,279 --> 03:04:57,120
market rate units for which we wouldn't

4418
03:04:57,120 --> 03:05:00,640
be subsidizing those units. But maybe a

4419
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:02,800
developer would put in a VLI unit if

4420
03:05:02,800 --> 03:05:04,000
we're helping to subsid.

4421
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:05,680
>> But that's when they get the

4422
03:05:05,680 --> 03:05:09,040
inclusionary like by state they there

4423
03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:13,200
are required inclusionary units that

4424
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:15,359
they can do with density bonuses.

4425
03:05:15,359 --> 03:05:17,760
>> They you heard the Habitat for Humanity

4426
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:19,840
guys. He can't pencil out a VLI.

4427
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:22,319
>> Not for two units.

4428
03:05:22,319 --> 03:05:24,640
>> No, he he can't. He He specifically said

4429
03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:26,880
he can't pencil out a VLI unit because

4430
03:05:26,880 --> 03:05:28,399
the the amount that they have to pay

4431
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:30,080
just in terms of property taxes, in

4432
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:31,760
terms of other things that they never

4433
03:05:31,760 --> 03:05:33,760
could pencil out without, you know,

4434
03:05:33,760 --> 03:05:35,680
pretty much public funding for it.

4435
03:05:35,680 --> 03:05:37,920
>> So, can we can we move this back to

4436
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:39,279
Rebecca? Why don't you finish up your

4437
03:05:39,279 --> 03:05:40,160
comments?

4438
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:41,760
>> Yeah, my comment is just to change that

4439
03:05:41,760 --> 03:05:43,600
to support the development of VLI and LI

4440
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:44,800
units and not to

4441
03:05:44,800 --> 03:05:45,200
>> Thank you.

4442
03:05:45,200 --> 03:05:48,240
>> specify it. Um the rest are just small

4443
03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:49,760
type of things pretty much.

4444
03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:51,680
>> Mary.

4445
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:53,279
>> Okay. Thank you, Ellen.

4446
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:58,319
>> So, um could I get like um

4447
03:05:58,319 --> 03:06:01,600
obviously 100% affordable is not always

4448
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:06,000
feasible. Um so could you I mean could

4449
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:11,200
we do it as VLI you or in units

4450
03:06:11,200 --> 03:06:13,600
inclusionary units or you know the 10 or

4451
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:14,640
15%?

4452
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:17,760
>> Yeah. Well, so

4453
03:06:17,760 --> 03:06:19,439
you have a lot of discretion when it

4454
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:22,319
comes to actually implementing your

4455
03:06:22,319 --> 03:06:24,560
adopted affordable housing fund policy

4456
03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:27,920
and deciding how to allocate the funds.

4457
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:30,640
HCD has a different interest and I

4458
03:06:30,640 --> 03:06:32,720
remember talking to HCD about this and

4459
03:06:32,720 --> 03:06:34,080
talking to the consultant. So I'll just

4460
03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:37,600
say that their view is that right now

4461
03:06:37,600 --> 03:06:41,439
the units are on the VLI units are on

4462
03:06:41,439 --> 03:06:44,160
town property and we would have the

4463
03:06:44,160 --> 03:06:46,560
ability for example to do what a lot of

4464
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:48,399
cities do which is make that land

4465
03:06:48,399 --> 03:06:51,120
available for free right and so there

4466
03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:54,319
remove the land cost I think HCD is just

4467
03:06:54,319 --> 03:06:57,359
interested in the town providing support

4468
03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:00,479
and funding to pro affordable housing

4469
03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:03,520
that's on now private property

4470
03:07:03,520 --> 03:07:05,680
So I would

4471
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:07,920
suggest that we follow Ako's

4472
03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:11,520
recommendation just remove the 100%.

4473
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:13,439
We can talk through it with HCD if they

4474
03:07:13,439 --> 03:07:14,880
have follow-up questions but I think

4475
03:07:14,880 --> 03:07:17,760
that the 100% could lead to a challenge

4476
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:20,319
in implementing our NOA.

4477
03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:22,080
So that would be my recommendation just

4478
03:07:22,080 --> 03:07:25,120
remove the 100% get it up to HCD and

4479
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:26,880
what we do when we submit to HD is we

4480
03:07:26,880 --> 03:07:28,240
offer to meet with them and talk through

4481
03:07:28,240 --> 03:07:31,120
things. we can talk through this and if

4482
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:32,960
they demand it, we will come back to

4483
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:33,520
you.

4484
03:07:33,520 --> 03:07:35,600
>> Great. Are you okay with that?

4485
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:38,399
>> Well, as long as the the NOA, the actual

4486
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:41,200
NOA goes out and it it provides funding

4487
03:07:41,200 --> 03:07:45,040
levels that only apply to VLI and LI and

4488
03:07:45,040 --> 03:07:48,399
not moderate, I'm fine with that.

4489
03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:50,080
>> Yeah, that's something I think we could

4490
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:52,240
accommodate.

4491
03:07:52,240 --> 03:07:55,600
>> I support that. Thank you. And the only

4492
03:07:55,600 --> 03:08:00,160
caveat I had, you could also say LI and

4493
03:08:00,160 --> 03:08:03,600
lower. I'm not sure how to phrase lower.

4494
03:08:03,600 --> 03:08:06,880
>> Um, there will be additional since I

4495
03:08:06,880 --> 03:08:08,479
went to the Abag meeting, there are

4496
03:08:08,479 --> 03:08:10,960
going to be additional lower, acutely

4497
03:08:10,960 --> 03:08:11,920
low

4498
03:08:11,920 --> 03:08:14,160
>> that come into the next housing element.

4499
03:08:14,160 --> 03:08:18,720
So, um, like limiting it to two bands,

4500
03:08:18,720 --> 03:08:21,040
we'll probably have to rethink that.

4501
03:08:21,040 --> 03:08:22,640
>> Yeah. And that's something I would say

4502
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:24,240
we could implement in the NOA.

4503
03:08:24,240 --> 03:08:24,720
>> Yeah. Okay.

4504
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:26,319
>> And just to clarify the facts right now,

4505
03:08:26,319 --> 03:08:28,560
Habitat Humanities project is low

4506
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:29,520
income.

4507
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,840
>> It's not moderate. It's not VLI. And

4508
03:08:31,840 --> 03:08:35,040
that's the only builder we're aware of

4509
03:08:35,040 --> 03:08:36,640
right now that is interested in building

4510
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:38,399
deed restricted affordable units in

4511
03:08:38,399 --> 03:08:40,160
town. So I think we're on a right path

4512
03:08:40,160 --> 03:08:43,990
to success here.

4513
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:45,040
» I'm good. Thank you.

4514
03:08:45,040 --> 03:08:47,359
>> Thank you. Right. I don't have any

4515
03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:49,120
comments. Do you feel like you've got

4516
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:51,840
enough direction?

4517
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:54,160
>> Yeah, just to reiterate the direction I

4518
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:56,319
think staff has received tonight will be

4519
03:08:56,319 --> 03:08:59,680
that we'll strike out pending the motion

4520
03:08:59,680 --> 03:09:02,399
would be to strike out the 100% on the

4521
03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:06,319
NOA language. Uh and then we'll receive

4522
03:09:06,319 --> 03:09:08,560
any additional comments relating to

4523
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:11,200
typos. We'll address those and then

4524
03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:13,359
we'll also be waiting for public comment

4525
03:09:13,359 --> 03:09:15,200
to see what else comes through.

4526
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:18,399
impending town council's motion tonight,

4527
03:09:18,399 --> 03:09:21,920
potentially be resubmitting to HCD if

4528
03:09:21,920 --> 03:09:23,439
that sounds correct.

4529
03:09:23,439 --> 03:09:25,359
>> And if you got more public comment,

4530
03:09:25,359 --> 03:09:27,120
would that cause you to change the

4531
03:09:27,120 --> 03:09:29,920
draft? Would it come back to us if you

4532
03:09:29,920 --> 03:09:31,200
decided to change? I mean, it seems

4533
03:09:31,200 --> 03:09:32,399
unlikely, but I'm just trying to

4534
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:34,240
understand the process.

4535
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:36,720
>> I I would say or I'll I'll let our

4536
03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:39,680
director speak.

4537
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:42,720
I think if there was public comment that

4538
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:44,560
warrants f, you know, additional

4539
03:09:44,560 --> 03:09:46,080
discussion or bringing back to town

4540
03:09:46,080 --> 03:09:48,319
council, that's a consideration. I

4541
03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:50,160
think, you know, like the one public

4542
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:51,680
comment we received so far. And also, I

4543
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:52,880
want to clarify that was through the

4544
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:55,040
public comment form online. It wasn't

4545
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:57,439
submitted as part of public comment for

4546
03:09:57,439 --> 03:09:58,960
this meeting. So, that's why it wasn't

4547
03:09:58,960 --> 03:10:00,880
in the packet, but um it will be

4548
03:10:00,880 --> 03:10:04,960
provided later. Um, but you know, the

4549
03:10:04,960 --> 03:10:07,040
goal is to hear the public comment and

4550
03:10:07,040 --> 03:10:08,479
if there was anything that really

4551
03:10:08,479 --> 03:10:10,720
warrants a a red flag, we we could bring

4552
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:13,439
it back to council, but we can um give

4553
03:10:13,439 --> 03:10:15,600
you an update to you guys, too.

4554
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:18,560
>> Okay. Just

4555
03:10:18,560 --> 03:10:20,160
>> All right. I mean, this sounds

4556
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:22,479
reasonable to me. Um, so I would

4557
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:26,710
entertain a motion.

4558
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:28,960
» So moved with the one change removing

4559
03:10:28,960 --> 03:10:32,309
100%.

4560
03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:32,880
A second.

4561
03:10:32,880 --> 03:10:33,840
>> Seconded.

4562
03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:35,600
>> Okay, we have a motion, a second. All in

4563
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:36,720
favor?

4564
03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:39,279
>> I I

4565
03:10:39,279 --> 03:10:42,080
opposed. You're good. Good. Just didn't

4566
03:10:42,080 --> 03:10:46,000
hear you. No, we're all good.

4567
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:49,279
>> Okay. Are are there abstensions?

4568
03:10:49,279 --> 03:10:51,920
>> Are you abstaining? Like

4569
03:10:51,920 --> 03:10:53,120
>> Okay.

4570
03:10:53,120 --> 03:10:55,279
>> All right. So,

4571
03:10:55,279 --> 03:11:00,399
four eyes, zero nazs, one abstension.

4572
03:11:00,399 --> 03:11:02,160
All right. So, with that, I'm going to

4573
03:11:02,160 --> 03:11:03,760
close

4574
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:06,080
8 D

4575
03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:08,240
and bring us back to 8A. Thank you,

4576
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:10,720
Tony, very much for patiently waiting.

4577
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:15,670
Um,

4578
03:11:15,680 --> 03:11:30,132
» thank you, Akoi. Great presentation.

4579
03:11:30,142 --> 03:11:30,800
» [clears throat]

4580
03:11:30,800 --> 03:11:32,560
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and good evening

4581
03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:35,760
again, members of council. Uh, tonight's

4582
03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:39,200
item is the culmination of

4583
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:43,520
about four months of work. Um,

4584
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:46,640
beginning with

4585
03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:54,710
March, the council study session.

4586
03:11:54,720 --> 03:11:59,990
priorities for

4587
03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:00,720
you.

4588
03:12:00,720 --> 03:12:10,150
>> No, no.

4589
03:12:10,160 --> 03:12:11,920
Again, these are the council priorities

4590
03:12:11,920 --> 03:12:13,920
as defined in our March study session.

4591
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:16,080
Since then, um there's been several

4592
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:17,600
check-ins by council during this

4593
03:12:17,600 --> 03:12:21,279
process. Um in one meeting we determined

4594
03:12:21,279 --> 03:12:23,439
the our council approved a 2 and a half%

4595
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:26,319
coal increase and salary schedule. Uh

4596
03:12:26,319 --> 03:12:29,680
the council also uh provided direction

4597
03:12:29,680 --> 03:12:31,840
on town committee funding and nonprofit

4598
03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:34,960
funding. Uh the town council also

4599
03:12:34,960 --> 03:12:36,720
reviewed the capital improvement plan

4600
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:39,600
budget and provided direction. And at

4601
03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:42,160
the last council meeting u council also

4602
03:12:42,160 --> 03:12:44,640
received a preliminary review of the

4603
03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:48,000
proposed budget. and tonight is the uh

4604
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:51,840
end result of that process.

4605
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:53,200
So again, these are the council

4606
03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:55,840
priorities as as defined by council. Uh

4607
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:57,840
we also have uh some community

4608
03:12:57,840 --> 03:12:59,439
priorities related to the PB

4609
03:12:59,439 --> 03:13:00,960
conversation that we discussed earlier

4610
03:13:00,960 --> 03:13:03,920
today and some of these items are in the

4611
03:13:03,920 --> 03:13:06,240
budget. uh wildfire prevention,

4612
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:08,800
vegetation and rust management,

4613
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:11,359
um these patrols and maintain town

4614
03:13:11,359 --> 03:13:14,880
autonomy. And uh but the one item that

4615
03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:16,800
uh we probably need to consider for

4616
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:19,600
future budgets is uh investing in our

4617
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:23,680
deteriorating storm drain system.

4618
03:13:23,680 --> 03:13:26,560
So in looking at general fund revenues,

4619
03:13:26,560 --> 03:13:29,600
uh we're estimating about 8.4 million in

4620
03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:32,319
general fund revenues. It's a $468,000

4621
03:13:32,319 --> 03:13:35,520
increase or a 5.9%.

4622
03:13:35,520 --> 03:13:38,000
Uh tax revenues are anticipated to

4623
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:41,120
increase about 310,000 and with the new

4624
03:13:41,120 --> 03:13:44,880
user fees adopted um

4625
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:46,239
we're looking about an estimated

4626
03:13:46,239 --> 03:13:51,349
increase of 158,000.

4627
03:13:51,359 --> 03:13:53,840
This chart shows the breakdown of our

4628
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:55,760
sources of general fund revenues. As you

4629
03:13:55,760 --> 03:14:00,000
can see, the majority of

4630
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:02,640
our revenue comes from property taxes.

4631
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:04,960
And we've had many discussions about

4632
03:14:04,960 --> 03:14:06,720
property tax and the limitations that we

4633
03:14:06,720 --> 03:14:09,359
have related to Prop 13. Our property

4634
03:14:09,359 --> 03:14:12,160
tax growth is as a result of either new

4635
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:14,960
home sales or uh redevelopment that

4636
03:14:14,960 --> 03:14:18,080
triggers a reassessment. Um then our

4637
03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:20,880
other tax revenues

4638
03:14:20,880 --> 03:14:23,520
um if you add them all up together

4639
03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:26,479
approximately 75 to 77% of our general

4640
03:14:26,479 --> 03:14:29,439
fund revenue. Uh sales and use tax is

4641
03:14:29,439 --> 03:14:32,880
4%. Um again and that's primarily driven

4642
03:14:32,880 --> 03:14:35,920
by uh we have one

4643
03:14:35,920 --> 03:14:38,239
business that generates about a third of

4644
03:14:38,239 --> 03:14:40,960
our sales tax revenue.

4645
03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:43,359
Um on the expense side we're looking

4646
03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:45,920
about 9.1 million.

4647
03:14:45,920 --> 03:14:48,800
um and resulting in a deficit of almost

4648
03:14:48,800 --> 03:14:51,520
679,000

4649
03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:56,399
um [clears throat] and um but the the

4650
03:14:56,399 --> 03:14:58,880
year-to-ate expense increase is um

4651
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:00,640
884,000.

4652
03:15:00,640 --> 03:15:03,279
Uh the largest increase is the serif's

4653
03:15:03,279 --> 03:15:06,160
contract which we discussed earlier. Um

4654
03:15:06,160 --> 03:15:09,279
about 488,000 is the sheriff's contract.

4655
03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:11,520
Um use of consultants has increased a

4656
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:14,800
little bit. Um again it's providing more

4657
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:16,560
support to bu planning and building

4658
03:15:16,560 --> 03:15:20,000
services. Also anticipating um cost

4659
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:24,399
increases related to um we did we are in

4660
03:15:24,399 --> 03:15:27,200
the process of completing um a review of

4661
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:30,399
new IT providers. Um so we did increase

4662
03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:34,479
the budget for IT website consultants um

4663
03:15:34,479 --> 03:15:38,239
as well in the budget.

4664
03:15:38,239 --> 03:15:40,720
So, looking at general fund expenses,

4665
03:15:40,720 --> 03:15:43,439
um, as I stated earlier, 9.1 million,

4666
03:15:43,439 --> 03:15:46,000
it's 10.8% increase. Sheriff's contract

4667
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:49,680
488,000, consultants 158,000, and then

4668
03:15:49,680 --> 03:15:53,680
salaries and benefits totaling 145,000.

4669
03:15:53,680 --> 03:15:55,760
Part of it is the 2 and a half% coal

4670
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:58,399
increase. Also, we're starting the year

4671
03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:01,680
with fewer vacant positions as we as we

4672
03:16:01,680 --> 03:16:04,560
did in the in previous years. So,

4673
03:16:04,560 --> 03:16:07,520
salaries and benefits will be higher. um

4674
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:13,349
in comparison to previous years.

4675
03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:15,680
So, the budget does support 15 full-time

4676
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:20,319
equivalent positions. Um this is a half a point decrease from the

4677
03:16:20,319 --> 03:16:22,800
previous year. We no longer have a

4678
03:16:22,800 --> 03:16:25,520
part-time uh associates working the

4679
03:16:25,520 --> 03:16:27,600
front desk. We have um we will be

4680
03:16:27,600 --> 03:16:30,000
filling one position, senior development

4681
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:32,239
review technician, building inspector um

4682
03:16:32,239 --> 03:16:34,160
that will be managing the front desk. We

4683
03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:36,800
also have uh some consultant support in

4684
03:16:36,800 --> 03:16:39,306
that area as well. Um and

4685
03:16:39,306 --> 03:16:40,720
[clears throat] then in finance, we'll

4686
03:16:40,720 --> 03:16:43,760
be recruiting for a finance manager and

4687
03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:46,640
an accountant one. Um but we will not be

4688
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:49,680
increasing the total number of uh

4689
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:53,590
personnel on staff.

4690
03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:56,880
So contract services and consultants um

4691
03:16:56,880 --> 03:16:58,399
for example the town attorney this

4692
03:16:58,399 --> 03:17:01,040
contract uh public safety we have the

4693
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:03,359
county sheriff Woodside fire also

4694
03:17:03,359 --> 03:17:06,399
dispatch services then consultants we

4695
03:17:06,399 --> 03:17:07,840
have planning and building with good

4696
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:10,479
city CSG in west and shootings code you

4697
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:12,800
pass their contracts tonight and then

4698
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:14,720
with information and technology as I

4699
03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:18,720
mentioned earlier um we we had six

4700
03:17:18,720 --> 03:17:21,439
proposals received for it uh we did

4701
03:17:21,439 --> 03:17:24,560
interview five firms. Um we've

4702
03:17:24,560 --> 03:17:26,880
whittleled it down to two or three.

4703
03:17:26,880 --> 03:17:29,279
We're in the process of uh determining

4704
03:17:29,279 --> 03:17:32,720
which um provider to go with. We should

4705
03:17:32,720 --> 03:17:33,840
have a selection in the next couple

4706
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:36,720
weeks. And uh the budget does assume a

4707
03:17:36,720 --> 03:17:38,479
$30,000 increase from the previous

4708
03:17:38,479 --> 03:17:42,309
provider.

4709
03:17:42,319 --> 03:17:45,120
So just a history of the county sheriff

4710
03:17:45,120 --> 03:17:49,200
contract, 2.5 million for 2627.

4711
03:17:49,200 --> 03:17:51,680
It's as per the contract it's an

4712
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:54,399
increase of 197,000. However, we've

4713
03:17:54,399 --> 03:17:56,640
discussed in previous meetings. Uh the

4714
03:17:56,640 --> 03:18:00,000
impact to the general fund is 488,000.

4715
03:18:00,000 --> 03:18:02,640
Uh and that is you know related to the

4716
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:06,239
190 $197,000 increase the expiration of

4717
03:18:06,239 --> 03:18:09,359
credits of 211,000 from the county. Uh

4718
03:18:09,359 --> 03:18:11,760
the use of ARPA funds of 100,000 and

4719
03:18:11,760 --> 03:18:15,840
then we were able to use $20,000 in in

4720
03:18:15,840 --> 03:18:18,640
COP's funding to because it was 58. So

4721
03:18:18,640 --> 03:18:24,080
we reduce it to 488. Um but um this was

4722
03:18:24,080 --> 03:18:26,640
an increase that had been deferred for

4723
03:18:26,640 --> 03:18:29,120
over the past three fiscal years. Um

4724
03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:31,680
that's finally uh come home to the

4725
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:34,950
general fund.

4726
03:18:34,960 --> 03:18:37,840
Our capital project budget is 1.45

4727
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:40,960
million with 986,000

4728
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:43,760
uh related to our streets. Our annual

4729
03:18:43,760 --> 03:18:46,160
street resurfacing project has started.

4730
03:18:46,160 --> 03:18:47,840
Uh we're looking for completion in the

4731
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:51,279
fall. Um and then uh post adoption,

4732
03:18:51,279 --> 03:18:52,560
we're going to still have some decisions

4733
03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:55,040
to make in regards to Fordfield bathroom

4734
03:18:55,040 --> 03:18:56,720
uh the Valley Oak Trail Bridges and the

4735
03:18:56,720 --> 03:18:59,040
Shauny Pass speed bumps or speed homes,

4736
03:18:59,040 --> 03:19:03,349
excuse me.

4737
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:08,479
So looking at all funds summary, um

4738
03:19:08,479 --> 03:19:12,960
looking at spending appropriation of uh

4739
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:16,800
12.4 4 million in total revenue, 12.38

4740
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:20,000
in total expenses. Um these numbers are

4741
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:21,359
a little bit different than what's on

4742
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:23,520
the resolution and that's primarily

4743
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:25,680
because the resolution appropriation

4744
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:28,239
includes use of reserves on both the

4745
03:19:28,239 --> 03:19:30,640
expense and revenue side. So um that's

4746
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:33,120
why the the re the resolution numbers

4747
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:34,479
are a little bit different than what's

4748
03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:36,720
being reported on the all fund summary.

4749
03:19:36,720 --> 03:19:38,399
But we need to have those numbers so

4750
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:40,560
that we can have the spending authority

4751
03:19:40,560 --> 03:19:45,120
and also the the the revenue authority.

4752
03:19:45,120 --> 03:19:46,800
So this is an update to the fiscal

4753
03:19:46,800 --> 03:19:49,279
forecast. Um

4754
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:51,840
so by the end of 2627 we're looking at

4755
03:19:51,840 --> 03:19:55,520
being at the 20% limit. Um and by fiscal

4756
03:19:55,520 --> 03:19:59,279
year 3031 being at zero and this is the

4757
03:19:59,279 --> 03:20:02,399
general fund reserve. uh being below the

4758
03:20:02,399 --> 03:20:06,000
limits um uh will create some uh

4759
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:08,080
challenges for the town. If there's a

4760
03:20:08,080 --> 03:20:09,680
natural disaster, there's a road

4761
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:12,720
failure, uh it could have some impact on

4762
03:20:12,720 --> 03:20:15,840
the town's autonomy moving forward. Um

4763
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:19,279
and uh without new local revenue, we

4764
03:20:19,279 --> 03:20:20,800
would be we would be looking at some

4765
03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:23,120
significant service cuts uh just to keep

4766
03:20:23,120 --> 03:20:26,239
us at the 20% level. Um [clears throat]

4767
03:20:26,239 --> 03:20:30,479
and as stated, this is the culmination

4768
03:20:30,479 --> 03:20:34,160
of um the last four months. I want to

4769
03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:36,160
thank the council for their guidance and

4770
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:39,040
direction. Um I also want to thank staff

4771
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:44,960
for their um input. Um we've had many meetings and discussions about

4772
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:47,520
where we need to go. Um and I also want

4773
03:20:47,520 --> 03:20:50,080
to thank the finance committee. um they

4774
03:20:50,080 --> 03:20:54,880
have uh been um an excellent source of

4775
03:20:54,880 --> 03:20:59,040
um guidance and um assurance in the work

4776
03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:02,720
that we are doing. Um but uh as I stated

4777
03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:08,319
the budget as presented is a snapshot of

4778
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:11,439
the town's current financial situation.

4779
03:21:11,439 --> 03:21:13,200
There is a structural deficit that needs

4780
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:16,319
to be addressed. Um and this is going to

4781
03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:18,560
be our issues moving forward. So with

4782
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:20,560
that, that concludes my report and I

4783
03:21:20,560 --> 03:21:24,239
give it back to council for discussion.

4784
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:27,040
>> Thank you, Tony. So clarifying question

4785
03:21:27,040 --> 03:21:30,239
on Tony's presentation,

4786
03:21:30,239 --> 03:21:31,520
>> Rebecca.

4787
03:21:31,520 --> 03:21:33,359
>> Um, yeah, thank you for the great

4788
03:21:33,359 --> 03:21:35,680
presentation. Um, could you just clarify

4789
03:21:35,680 --> 03:21:38,000
a little bit the 30k increase for the

4790
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:39,520
IT?

4791
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:42,399
Um, is that additional services or is it

4792
03:21:42,399 --> 03:21:44,160
pretty much what we what you have now?

4793
03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:48,000
>> Cost increase. Um all of the proposals

4794
03:21:48,000 --> 03:21:51,600
came in higher than what the previous

4795
03:21:51,600 --> 03:21:55,120
provider. We are getting more service

4796
03:21:55,120 --> 03:22:01,040
and um um also more of a a virtual CIO,

4797
03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:03,359
more strategic planning. Um they've all

4798
03:22:03,359 --> 03:22:04,720
pretty much stressed that. So yeah,

4799
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:06,000
there will be an increased level of

4800
03:22:06,000 --> 03:22:11,680
service uh with the new rates. And um

4801
03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:13,840
just to confirm, I know you've told us

4802
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:16,640
this in the past, this does not include

4803
03:22:16,640 --> 03:22:19,359
the potential extra VLF.

4804
03:22:19,359 --> 03:22:21,439
>> Yes, I do not I do not budget the

4805
03:22:21,439 --> 03:22:25,439
shortfall until I'm told it's coming.

4806
03:22:25,439 --> 03:22:26,800
>> That's it for me. Thank you.

4807
03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:33,190
>> Thank you. Good. Good. Mary.

4808
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:36,239
» So, as always, um, thank you for making

4809
03:22:36,239 --> 03:22:40,880
this, uh, clear and easy to understand.

4810
03:22:40,880 --> 03:22:43,520
So, a couple few questions. Um, could

4811
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:47,200
you talk about the trail rehabilitation

4812
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:50,080
and which pot of money that's coming out

4813
03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:51,520
of?

4814
03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:55,439
>> So, we have several pots of money. Um we

4815
03:22:55,439 --> 03:22:58,080
have in our 401 capital projects fund we

4816
03:22:58,080 --> 03:23:01,040
have about 20 25,000.

4817
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:05,920
Um we also have monies in gas tax and um

4818
03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:08,560
some of our measure A measure M measure

4819
03:23:08,560 --> 03:23:12,800
W money can be used in the right of way

4820
03:23:12,800 --> 03:23:14,640
um if it's related to any type of

4821
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:17,359
safety. Uh but it's predominantly the

4822
03:23:17,359 --> 03:23:19,840
capital projects fund and the gas tax

4823
03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:23,040
fund that we're funding um vegetation

4824
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:25,040
management and trail and trail

4825
03:23:25,040 --> 03:23:26,479
maintenance.

4826
03:23:26,479 --> 03:23:28,560
>> Could I follow on that? Just so how much

4827
03:23:28,560 --> 03:23:30,080
of that's coming out of the general fund

4828
03:23:30,080 --> 03:23:31,840
versus these other special funds?

4829
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,000
>> The 25 is coming out of the general fund

4830
03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:35,760
capital projects fund. The remaining is

4831
03:23:35,760 --> 03:23:37,840
coming out of um gas tax,

4832
03:23:37,840 --> 03:23:38,560
>> right? But the

4833
03:23:38,560 --> 03:23:41,200
>> and we also have the Woodside Fire

4834
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:43,439
component as well. So that's about a

4835
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:46,239
hundred. So yeah, general fund is

4836
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:50,160
Woodside Fire for vegetation management,

4837
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:52,800
trails maintenance and then we also have

4838
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:57,200
uh general fund for our gas tax for um

4839
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:00,710
vegetation management.

4840
03:24:00,720 --> 03:24:06,800
» Okay. Um in terms of uh salaries

4841
03:24:06,800 --> 03:24:11,359
>> um for staff um we don't seem to have

4842
03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:13,520
actual steps. We have a range.

4843
03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:16,000
>> We have salary ranges. Yes.

4844
03:24:16,000 --> 03:24:20,000
>> And what would it take to get steps and

4845
03:24:20,000 --> 03:24:22,080
like would we need to bring that back to

4846
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:23,600
council if we chose

4847
03:24:23,600 --> 03:24:25,600
>> any change to the salary schedule salary

4848
03:24:25,600 --> 03:24:28,479
structure would require council approve.

4849
03:24:28,479 --> 03:24:32,239
>> Okay. Thanks. Um

4850
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:35,840
uh could you talk about the 17,000

4851
03:24:35,840 --> 03:24:40,960
of first um council dues from 25 that

4852
03:24:40,960 --> 03:24:43,279
>> that was a

4853
03:24:43,279 --> 03:24:46,399
um that was a

4854
03:24:46,399 --> 03:24:48,880
an error. It should have been it was

4855
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:51,120
emergency services JPA was charged to

4856
03:24:51,120 --> 03:24:54,880
council instead of non-EP departmental.

4857
03:24:54,880 --> 03:24:55,840
>> Thank you.

4858
03:24:55,840 --> 03:24:57,760
>> But it was still a general fund expense.

4859
03:24:57,760 --> 03:25:02,000
>> Okay. Okay. Um

4860
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:06,239
uh in it looks like um can you explain

4861
03:25:06,239 --> 03:25:10,560
under town manager for that the um

4862
03:25:10,560 --> 03:25:13,359
salaries are supposed to go down to

4863
03:25:13,359 --> 03:25:15,439
713,000

4864
03:25:15,439 --> 03:25:17,359
from 797.

4865
03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:19,120
>> Yeah. That's related to the assistant

4866
03:25:19,120 --> 03:25:21,200
town manager salary being allocated

4867
03:25:21,200 --> 03:25:24,800
between town manager and finance whereas

4868
03:25:24,800 --> 03:25:28,399
in this fiscal year was 100% town

4869
03:25:28,399 --> 03:25:31,359
manager.

4870
03:25:31,359 --> 03:25:35,840
>> Great. Thanks for explaining that. Um

4871
03:25:35,840 --> 03:25:38,319
uh can you explain

4872
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:41,510
the

4873
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:44,160
um

4874
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:48,080
why the cafeteria plan is expected to go

4875
03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:50,319
down in 27

4876
03:25:50,319 --> 03:25:52,479
like 10,000? Like I just would expect

4877
03:25:52,479 --> 03:25:55,600
things to go up from 80,000 this year 26

4878
03:25:55,600 --> 03:26:02,630
to 70,000.

4879
03:26:02,640 --> 03:26:04,800
I don't have an answer. [laughter]

4880
03:26:04,800 --> 03:26:07,359
>> I stumped you. Sorry, I did not mean to

4881
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:08,640
stump you.

4882
03:26:08,640 --> 03:26:10,800
>> The only thing I think it's just I mean

4883
03:26:10,800 --> 03:26:13,760
it's just how it calculates. Um

4884
03:26:13,760 --> 03:26:14,720
>> yeah.

4885
03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:16,479
>> Okay. Sorry, I did not mean to stump

4886
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:17,439
you.

4887
03:26:17,439 --> 03:26:18,000
>> Okay.

4888
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:20,960
>> But it's they fluctuate year to year.

4889
03:26:20,960 --> 03:26:23,600
>> Okay. Part of it is also

4890
03:26:23,600 --> 03:26:25,520
the actual number of employees we have

4891
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:27,760
compared to what we don't have.

4892
03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:29,680
>> Yeah. I just would have expected it to

4893
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:31,279
go up. It's nice to see that it's

4894
03:26:31,279 --> 03:26:32,080
supposed to go down.

4895
03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:34,239
>> Well, okay. I'll tell you why. It was

4896
03:26:34,239 --> 03:26:36,479
because we had positions budgeted that

4897
03:26:36,479 --> 03:26:38,880
were not or that were not filled.

4898
03:26:38,880 --> 03:26:40,319
>> Okay, that makes sense.

4899
03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:48,479
>> Yeah. Um so we went from education and

4900
03:26:48,479 --> 03:26:53,040
training to from zero for fiscal 26 to

4901
03:26:53,040 --> 03:26:57,520
almost 13,000 for 27 for education and

4902
03:26:57,520 --> 03:26:58,640
training.

4903
03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:01,359
>> That's for one specific

4904
03:27:01,359 --> 03:27:03,680
department because overall development

4905
03:27:03,680 --> 03:27:07,120
is going way up from the previous year

4906
03:27:07,120 --> 03:27:08,319
>> because what's going way up?

4907
03:27:08,319 --> 03:27:09,520
>> Development training.

4908
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:17,349
>> Got it. Okay. Okay. Um

4909
03:27:17,359 --> 03:27:22,399
could and I'm just confused. Um for

4910
03:27:22,399 --> 03:27:25,600
town attorney expenses, fiscal year 26

4911
03:27:25,600 --> 03:27:28,800
is showing zero

4912
03:27:28,800 --> 03:27:30,880
>> and then some of the previous year

4913
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:34,080
reports were not picking up data.

4914
03:27:34,080 --> 03:27:36,160
>> Got it. Okay.

4915
03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:40,630
Um

4916
03:27:40,640 --> 03:27:43,990
okay.

4917
03:27:44,000 --> 03:27:47,520
Why does the Oh, you uh accounting and

4918
03:27:47,520 --> 03:27:50,239
auditing expenses

4919
03:27:50,239 --> 03:27:52,880
really fluctuates widely from

4920
03:27:52,880 --> 03:27:56,960
>> Right. Because in 23 24 and 22 23 we're

4921
03:27:56,960 --> 03:28:00,239
using Kish and company.

4922
03:28:00,239 --> 03:28:02,720
Then we stopped using them in 23 24.

4923
03:28:02,720 --> 03:28:06,239
>> Great. Okay. Um

4924
03:28:06,239 --> 03:28:10,239
and Woodside Fire Services

4925
03:28:10,239 --> 03:28:12,720
um looks like it would go down by about

4926
03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:16,160
50,000 from 330

4927
03:28:16,160 --> 03:28:20,560
to 270. I guess that's 60,000 something

4928
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:24,790
going down for 27.

4929
03:28:24,800 --> 03:28:28,160
That's on page 53

4930
03:28:28,160 --> 03:28:36,710
of the budget package packet.

4931
03:28:36,720 --> 03:28:47,190
Sorry.

4932
03:28:47,200 --> 03:28:49,359
It looks like maybe the fuel mitigation

4933
03:28:49,359 --> 03:28:52,399
program going down and the amount you're

4934
03:28:52,399 --> 03:28:53,040
spending on.

4935
03:28:53,040 --> 03:28:55,279
>> Yeah, we Yeah, we went from 80 to 60

4936
03:28:55,279 --> 03:28:55,840
days,

4937
03:28:55,840 --> 03:28:56,160
>> right,

4938
03:28:56,160 --> 03:28:57,680
>> for vegetation management.

4939
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:03,439
>> Okay. Cutting where we can. Um

4940
03:29:03,439 --> 03:29:20,070
Okay. Um,

4941
03:29:20,080 --> 03:29:26,229
and let's see. Um,

4942
03:29:26,239 --> 03:29:29,200
okay. the real property transfer tax

4943
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:31,200
that is being shown right now, that is

4944
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:32,800
from what we get from the county. Is

4945
03:29:32,800 --> 03:29:33,760
that correct?

4946
03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:35,760
>> That is what we're currently getting.

4947
03:29:35,760 --> 03:29:36,319
Yes.

4948
03:29:36,319 --> 03:29:38,000
>> Okay.

4949
03:29:38,000 --> 03:29:44,479
And then um I don't know if you'll know

4950
03:29:44,479 --> 03:29:47,840
this. Um you can get back to me if not.

4951
03:29:47,840 --> 03:29:50,399
I know measure A is aging out,

4952
03:29:50,399 --> 03:29:54,239
sunsetting out soon. Um, and what role

4953
03:29:54,239 --> 03:29:57,600
would Portrol Valley take in

4954
03:29:57,600 --> 03:30:00,640
re-uping that if possible?

4955
03:30:00,640 --> 03:30:02,800
>> Well, that's a sales tax, so that would

4956
03:30:02,800 --> 03:30:05,200
require a county vote.

4957
03:30:05,200 --> 03:30:08,000
>> Okay. Okay. Those are my questions.

4958
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:10,399
Thank you.

4959
03:30:10,399 --> 03:30:14,080
>> Thank you. Um, Tony, what's the VLF in

4960
03:30:14,080 --> 03:30:15,520
Lou? I know you don't include it in our

4961
03:30:15,520 --> 03:30:17,600
budget, but what what would we expect

4962
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:21,279
given hopefully the current budget

4963
03:30:21,279 --> 03:30:23,760
negotiations? Is it like 200,000?

4964
03:30:23,760 --> 03:30:27,439
>> Yes. Uh the So right now for 2223 and

4965
03:30:27,439 --> 03:30:30,239
2324 the total amount of the shortfall

4966
03:30:30,239 --> 03:30:32,800
for the towns about 405,000.

4967
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:35,120
Um my understanding is that there is

4968
03:30:35,120 --> 03:30:38,800
funding in place for the 2324 at 66%.

4969
03:30:38,800 --> 03:30:41,200
Which is about 300

4970
03:30:41,200 --> 03:30:42,720
um

4971
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:43,680
that amount is going to be about

4972
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:47,920
200,000. if there's there's they have

4973
03:30:47,920 --> 03:30:51,840
put in place funding for 2223,

4974
03:30:51,840 --> 03:30:54,479
but the governor still has to sign the

4975
03:30:54,479 --> 03:30:56,319
budget and he's got line item veto. So,

4976
03:30:56,319 --> 03:30:57,520
we don't know if that's going to be in

4977
03:30:57,520 --> 03:30:59,760
or not. Um, but if he does sign the

4978
03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:01,840
budget with those two amounts in there,

4979
03:31:01,840 --> 03:31:04,239
then yes, we we would be looking at an

4980
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:07,439
additional 400,000 in VLF,

4981
03:31:07,439 --> 03:31:09,439
>> right? And that would go directly to the

4982
03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:10,239
deficit.

4983
03:31:10,239 --> 03:31:11,520
>> Yep.

4984
03:31:11,520 --> 03:31:12,640
>> In in the general fund.

4985
03:31:12,640 --> 03:31:15,920
>> Yes. I would I would not come back with

4986
03:31:15,920 --> 03:31:18,000
a budget to say we're going to spend it.

4987
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:21,520
>> No. No. Yeah. Peace. I mean I I'm just

4988
03:31:21,520 --> 03:31:24,479
>> saying that I mean it seems like one of

4989
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:26,720
those passing is reasonably likely. Both

4990
03:31:26,720 --> 03:31:28,800
of them passing probably unlikely,

4991
03:31:28,800 --> 03:31:29,600
>> right?

4992
03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:32,000
>> But when people think about the deficit

4993
03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:33,680
hopefully we're at least thinking that

4994
03:31:33,680 --> 03:31:36,160
it's likely to be $200,000 or less than

4995
03:31:36,160 --> 03:31:38,000
what you proposed. So

4996
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:41,040
>> that was my point. So okay. Um, with

4997
03:31:41,040 --> 03:31:43,120
that, let me open it up to public

4998
03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:45,040
comment. Is there anyone in the room who

4999
03:31:45,040 --> 03:31:47,040
would like to speak? This is your

5000
03:31:47,040 --> 03:31:48,800
chance, Mark. Thank you for hanging in

5001
03:31:48,800 --> 03:31:49,120
here.

5002
03:31:49,120 --> 03:31:52,870
>> Oh my gosh.

5003
03:31:52,880 --> 03:31:55,680
» Very first public comment in any forum

5004
03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:56,960
ever

5005
03:31:56,960 --> 03:31:58,479
>> except on except on the finance

5006
03:31:58,479 --> 03:31:59,279
committee.

5007
03:31:59,279 --> 03:32:01,760
>> Except the finance. Is that is this on

5008
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:02,640
now?

5009
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:06,160
>> Okay. Um, so, uh, my name is Mark Wesar,

5010
03:32:06,160 --> 03:32:08,560
and while I serve on the town's finance

5011
03:32:08,560 --> 03:32:10,560
and audit committee, my comments tonight

5012
03:32:10,560 --> 03:32:12,800
are my own. A key element of the

5013
03:32:12,800 --> 03:32:14,560
committee's charter is to review and

5014
03:32:14,560 --> 03:32:16,560
recommend for adoption the town's annual

5015
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:19,359
budget. The committee met on June 2nd to

5016
03:32:19,359 --> 03:32:21,279
review the proposed budget, but we made

5017
03:32:21,279 --> 03:32:23,760
no recommendation. I would like to do so

5018
03:32:23,760 --> 03:32:26,080
tonight. Specifically, I recommend that

5019
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:28,319
the town council delay for two weeks

5020
03:32:28,319 --> 03:32:30,319
adopting a budget with a significant

5021
03:32:30,319 --> 03:32:33,040
deficit and instead request town staff

5022
03:32:33,040 --> 03:32:35,520
to prepare a six-month balance budget

5023
03:32:35,520 --> 03:32:37,920
from July through December. This will

5024
03:32:37,920 --> 03:32:39,840
get us through the November election, at

5025
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:41,920
which time the town council will be able

5026
03:32:41,920 --> 03:32:44,319
to adopt another six-month budget for

5027
03:32:44,319 --> 03:32:46,000
the second half of the fiscal year.

5028
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,640
Knowing the will of the town's voters, I

5029
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:50,239
believe a balanced budget may be

5030
03:32:50,239 --> 03:32:52,000
achievable for the next six months

5031
03:32:52,000 --> 03:32:54,000
without reducing the cost of the sheriff

5032
03:32:54,000 --> 03:32:56,640
contract. I highlight two possibilities

5033
03:32:56,640 --> 03:32:59,600
as examples using annual estimates.

5034
03:32:59,600 --> 03:33:01,200
First, the recent promotion of the

5035
03:33:01,200 --> 03:33:03,120
town's finance director, which by the

5036
03:33:03,120 --> 03:33:04,479
way, I think is tremendously

5037
03:33:04,479 --> 03:33:06,239
wellreceived. We are very lucky to have

5038
03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:10,080
Tony McFarland in our town. um that uh

5039
03:33:10,080 --> 03:33:12,160
it created a vacancy for the finance

5040
03:33:12,160 --> 03:33:14,640
director. Based upon the town's salary

5041
03:33:14,640 --> 03:33:16,960
schedule and associated benefits, the

5042
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:19,040
estimated cost of the finance director

5043
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:21,840
role is about a4 million. If the

5044
03:33:21,840 --> 03:33:23,840
assistant town manager continues in his

5045
03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:25,760
duties as finance director for the time

5046
03:33:25,760 --> 03:33:28,880
being, the town will save this amount.

5047
03:33:28,880 --> 03:33:30,720
Second, the current budget includes

5048
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:32,960
paying $272,000

5049
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:35,120
to Woodside Fire Protection District for

5050
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:38,080
fire services. The taxpayers of Portola

5051
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:40,000
Valley contribute over one-third of

5052
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:42,479
Woodside Fire's annual budget. Last

5053
03:33:42,479 --> 03:33:44,640
year, the district's revenues were $31

5054
03:33:44,640 --> 03:33:47,600
million and expenses were $26 million,

5055
03:33:47,600 --> 03:33:51,040
generating a surplus of $5 million. The

5056
03:33:51,040 --> 03:33:52,560
current cash balance in the fire

5057
03:33:52,560 --> 03:33:54,880
district's general fund is well over $30

5058
03:33:54,880 --> 03:33:57,200
million. There must be a way to

5059
03:33:57,200 --> 03:33:59,359
coordinate with Woodside Fire to provide

5060
03:33:59,359 --> 03:34:01,840
fire services in our community without

5061
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:04,560
charging the town's taxpayers twice.

5062
03:34:04,560 --> 03:34:08,800
These two items alone total two $522,000

5063
03:34:08,800 --> 03:34:10,720
for the year, which closes the proposed

5064
03:34:10,720 --> 03:34:14,319
budget gap for the general fund by 77%.

5065
03:34:14,319 --> 03:34:17,040
These are just two examples. If the town

5066
03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:19,359
council requests it, town staff can

5067
03:34:19,359 --> 03:34:21,200
prepare a balanced budget for the next

5068
03:34:21,200 --> 03:34:23,439
six months as a reasonable alternative

5069
03:34:23,439 --> 03:34:26,000
to the budget in front of you tonight. I

5070
03:34:26,000 --> 03:34:27,840
recommend the town council make this

5071
03:34:27,840 --> 03:34:30,560
request. Even if the town council

5072
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:32,319
ultimately adopts a budget with a

5073
03:34:32,319 --> 03:34:34,560
significant deficit, it should at least

5074
03:34:34,560 --> 03:34:36,080
compare it to a balanced budget

5075
03:34:36,080 --> 03:34:38,640
alternative. One of the town council's

5076
03:34:38,640 --> 03:34:40,960
priorities is fiscal or financial

5077
03:34:40,960 --> 03:34:43,760
responsibility. Financial responsibility

5078
03:34:43,760 --> 03:34:45,920
means timely audits and balanced

5079
03:34:45,920 --> 03:34:48,720
budgets. The town currently has neither.

5080
03:34:48,720 --> 03:34:50,560
I suggest we start with a balanced

5081
03:34:50,560 --> 03:34:52,720
budget for the next six months. Thank

5082
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:54,399
you all for your dedication and your

5083
03:34:54,399 --> 03:34:57,200
time in leading our community.

5084
03:34:57,200 --> 03:34:59,040
>> Thank you, Mark. And and just to

5085
03:34:59,040 --> 03:35:00,640
reiterate, those are your personal

5086
03:35:00,640 --> 03:35:02,080
comments rather than comments from the

5087
03:35:02,080 --> 03:35:03,920
finance committee, but I appreciate your

5088
03:35:03,920 --> 03:35:06,319
comments.

5089
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:08,560
Okay. So, anybody else in the room who

5090
03:35:08,560 --> 03:35:11,040
wants to raise their hand? I don't see

5091
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:13,200
anybody in the schoolhouse. Um, anybody

5092
03:35:13,200 --> 03:35:16,160
online?

5093
03:35:16,160 --> 03:35:18,960
I'll wait just a moment. All right. I

5094
03:35:18,960 --> 03:35:20,800
don't see any hands online, so I'm going

5095
03:35:20,800 --> 03:35:22,319
to close public comment and bring it

5096
03:35:22,319 --> 03:35:25,990
back to the council.

5097
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:30,550
Who would like to go first?

5098
03:35:30,560 --> 03:35:32,319
I'll just

5099
03:35:32,319 --> 03:35:37,040
>> follow up on Mark's um comment.

5100
03:35:37,040 --> 03:35:40,479
>> Don't we have to approve the budget this

5101
03:35:40,479 --> 03:35:41,600
week?

5102
03:35:41,600 --> 03:35:43,040
>> Yes.

5103
03:35:43,040 --> 03:35:45,920
>> And the ramifications if we don't are

5104
03:35:45,920 --> 03:35:48,800
>> we have no spending authority. So we we

5105
03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:51,520
can't spend a dime.

5106
03:35:51,520 --> 03:35:54,399
>> Can't spend a dime. Um,

5107
03:35:54,399 --> 03:35:58,080
so I don't know Tony if you have any

5108
03:35:58,080 --> 03:36:00,800
thoughts around I mean we could do it

5109
03:36:00,800 --> 03:36:02,720
the flip side which is approve it and

5110
03:36:02,720 --> 03:36:06,000
then see if we get we can push things

5111
03:36:06,000 --> 03:36:08,080
toward a balanced budget. Do you have

5112
03:36:08,080 --> 03:36:10,560
any thoughts on that

5113
03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:19,030
after the fact?

5114
03:36:19,040 --> 03:36:23,110
The

5115
03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:25,840
assuming or make keeping staying in the

5116
03:36:25,840 --> 03:36:29,040
role of the finance director

5117
03:36:29,040 --> 03:36:30,880
that is one option.

5118
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:32,560
>> Um

5119
03:36:32,560 --> 03:36:35,680
it's not sustainable. Um because you

5120
03:36:35,680 --> 03:36:40,319
know I do need to sleep. Um the um

5121
03:36:40,319 --> 03:36:44,960
sorry Mark um but um you know I I am

5122
03:36:44,960 --> 03:36:47,920
concerned about

5123
03:36:47,920 --> 03:36:51,600
finding a finance manager. Um, so I mean

5124
03:36:51,600 --> 03:36:54,000
it might be I'm going to be doing it

5125
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:58,239
anyway. Um, and we there there are some

5126
03:36:58,239 --> 03:37:00,319
other areas that we could look into as

5127
03:37:00,319 --> 03:37:01,279
well.

5128
03:37:01,279 --> 03:37:04,399
>> Um, depending on how things um certain

5129
03:37:04,399 --> 03:37:08,720
situations fall out. Um, but you know, I

5130
03:37:08,720 --> 03:37:10,960
think

5131
03:37:10,960 --> 03:37:13,680
there are certain areas that we can cut.

5132
03:37:13,680 --> 03:37:17,279
Um, but I mean I'm not prepared to do

5133
03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:18,000
them tonight.

5134
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:20,239
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally get that.

5135
03:37:20,239 --> 03:37:23,760
>> It's it's um

5136
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:27,200
>> Yeah. And I I'm not trying to make you

5137
03:37:27,200 --> 03:37:27,920
on your feet.

5138
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:29,200
>> Understand the understanding about

5139
03:37:29,200 --> 03:37:30,479
Woodside Fire.

5140
03:37:30,479 --> 03:37:30,800
>> Yeah.

5141
03:37:30,800 --> 03:37:33,040
>> It's just, you know, one element that

5142
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:35,920
always seems to be getting overlooked is

5143
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:37,840
>> if Woodside Fire wasn't doing it,

5144
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:39,359
somebody else would be doing it and we

5145
03:37:39,359 --> 03:37:40,720
would still be paying them to do it.

5146
03:37:40,720 --> 03:37:41,279
Okay.

5147
03:37:41,279 --> 03:37:44,239
>> It's it's it's you know, this is these

5148
03:37:44,239 --> 03:37:45,680
are our responsibilities.

5149
03:37:45,680 --> 03:37:46,000
>> Yeah.

5150
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:48,640
>> For the town. It's our right of way. So

5151
03:37:48,640 --> 03:37:50,800
it's not Woodside Fire's responsibility

5152
03:37:50,800 --> 03:37:54,000
to maintain our right of way.

5153
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:57,520
>> So um but we could probably still go

5154
03:37:57,520 --> 03:38:00,080
back to Woodside Fire and say, you know,

5155
03:38:00,080 --> 03:38:01,600
we can give them the same arguments, but

5156
03:38:01,600 --> 03:38:03,840
>> see see if there's flexibility in some

5157
03:38:03,840 --> 03:38:06,880
respects on that. Um and just because

5158
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:09,439
it's getting late, um Craig, is this the

5159
03:38:09,439 --> 03:38:12,960
comment period? So you want to hear

5160
03:38:12,960 --> 03:38:13,760
>> the discussion?

5161
03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:14,640
>> This is discussion.

5162
03:38:14,640 --> 03:38:17,760
>> Discussion. Okay. So, you know, from

5163
03:38:17,760 --> 03:38:20,080
where I'm coming from,

5164
03:38:20,080 --> 03:38:22,800
we're in bad shape. We we want to be

5165
03:38:22,800 --> 03:38:25,680
fiscally responsible. I think Tony and

5166
03:38:25,680 --> 03:38:28,479
team have done a a lot of work to get

5167
03:38:28,479 --> 03:38:31,286
things understood, moved forward.

5168
03:38:31,286 --> 03:38:32,160
[clears throat]

5169
03:38:32,160 --> 03:38:36,720
Um, and I think our role in approving

5170
03:38:36,720 --> 03:38:38,880
the budget tonight, because I do think

5171
03:38:38,880 --> 03:38:42,239
we need to, doesn't mean that we don't

5172
03:38:42,239 --> 03:38:45,600
continually look look at areas where we

5173
03:38:45,600 --> 03:38:48,560
can save. And I think we should do that

5174
03:38:48,560 --> 03:38:51,120
not necessarily waiting 6 months if

5175
03:38:51,120 --> 03:38:53,680
there's opportunities that come up while

5176
03:38:53,680 --> 03:38:57,520
staff and others are are looking at um

5177
03:38:57,520 --> 03:39:00,000
the more obvious sources of potential

5178
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:02,479
savings. So I don't look at it as we

5179
03:39:02,479 --> 03:39:04,560
can't do that and we're locked in for 6

5180
03:39:04,560 --> 03:39:07,120
months myself. There's a limit to how

5181
03:39:07,120 --> 03:39:09,279
efficient it is to keep looking at it.

5182
03:39:09,279 --> 03:39:12,720
But you know maybe maybe toward the fall

5183
03:39:12,720 --> 03:39:16,960
um onward we can look at um if anything

5184
03:39:16,960 --> 03:39:18,640
else has come up we'll know more about

5185
03:39:18,640 --> 03:39:21,920
the VLF for example and and might have

5186
03:39:21,920 --> 03:39:24,319
some comfort around that. We might have

5187
03:39:24,319 --> 03:39:27,040
some additional buffer there anyway

5188
03:39:27,040 --> 03:39:29,920
depending on what happens in Sacramento.

5189
03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:31,760
Um,

5190
03:39:31,760 --> 03:39:36,160
so I I'm pretty comfortable um generally

5191
03:39:36,160 --> 03:39:40,000
with with this budget myself. I do want

5192
03:39:40,000 --> 03:39:41,920
to caution it because part of your

5193
03:39:41,920 --> 03:39:43,920
presentation and I made the comment

5194
03:39:43,920 --> 03:39:46,319
earlier talking about community

5195
03:39:46,319 --> 03:39:49,680
priorities to me isn't the right thing

5196
03:39:49,680 --> 03:39:52,160
to do when we're talking about our

5197
03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:56,160
budget. If you're talking about 1%

5198
03:39:56,160 --> 03:39:58,880
response rate on a non-scientific and

5199
03:39:58,880 --> 03:40:01,680
non-statistically significant

5200
03:40:01,680 --> 03:40:04,640
um poll, if it becomes statistically

5201
03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:07,600
significant or if you want to disclose

5202
03:40:07,600 --> 03:40:10,319
what that actually represents, I think

5203
03:40:10,319 --> 03:40:14,000
that's fine. But as we go into a trustb

5204
03:40:14,000 --> 03:40:17,200
building exercise with the public, as we

5205
03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:20,000
move forward to the ballot measure and

5206
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:23,520
onward, um, we better be really firm on

5207
03:40:23,520 --> 03:40:25,520
what we're saying and our basis for

5208
03:40:25,520 --> 03:40:27,680
saying it. And I don't think we can be

5209
03:40:27,680 --> 03:40:30,000
saying that those are anything other

5210
03:40:30,000 --> 03:40:33,120
than choices that people can weigh in

5211
03:40:33,120 --> 03:40:36,399
on. Like that's the way I would um uh

5212
03:40:36,399 --> 03:40:39,840
phrase it because we do have a lot of

5213
03:40:39,840 --> 03:40:42,560
trust building to do. Any footfall from

5214
03:40:42,560 --> 03:40:44,800
here on in is is going to have

5215
03:40:44,800 --> 03:40:46,399
significant

5216
03:40:46,399 --> 03:40:49,680
um repercussions that

5217
03:40:49,680 --> 03:40:52,239
we don't need to take undertake because

5218
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:55,359
you and your team have done so much over

5219
03:40:55,359 --> 03:40:58,319
the last few years to set up as well as

5220
03:40:58,319 --> 03:41:00,720
we can within the constraints of the

5221
03:41:00,720 --> 03:41:04,960
auditor's backlog etc. So I I just urge

5222
03:41:04,960 --> 03:41:07,760
us all to be cautious about that. But I

5223
03:41:07,760 --> 03:41:11,200
do thank you so much for presenting and

5224
03:41:11,200 --> 03:41:13,520
answering the questions and and

5225
03:41:13,520 --> 03:41:16,800
exploring and um I don't I do want you

5226
03:41:16,800 --> 03:41:19,279
to get sleep. So I'm I I I don't want

5227
03:41:19,279 --> 03:41:21,439
you to feel any burden other than just

5228
03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:24,080
to have considered the question and and

5229
03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:26,399
we will all move on from my perspective.

5230
03:41:26,399 --> 03:41:29,200
So those are my comments.

5231
03:41:29,200 --> 03:41:32,319
>> Thank you, Rebecca.

5232
03:41:32,319 --> 03:41:35,040
Um,

5233
03:41:35,040 --> 03:41:40,319
uh, yeah, thank you again. This it's I'm continually impressed with the

5234
03:41:40,319 --> 03:41:41,600
quality that's coming out of your

5235
03:41:41,600 --> 03:41:44,560
department. Um, and I think your new

5236
03:41:44,560 --> 03:41:48,080
promotion is excellent. Um, it's

5237
03:41:48,080 --> 03:41:49,920
obviously not sustainable for you to be

5238
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:51,520
doing what's essentially now, I think,

5239
03:41:51,520 --> 03:41:55,520
three jobs. Um, so I I do have the

5240
03:41:55,520 --> 03:41:58,319
recommendation that the staff sit down

5241
03:41:58,319 --> 03:42:00,080
and really think about what can be

5242
03:42:00,080 --> 03:42:03,040
offloaded off your plate and performed

5243
03:42:03,040 --> 03:42:05,279
by either some of your the analysts that

5244
03:42:05,279 --> 03:42:08,880
we have on staff or as we think about

5245
03:42:08,880 --> 03:42:10,640
needing more help in the public works

5246
03:42:10,640 --> 03:42:12,720
department, you know, something in there

5247
03:42:12,720 --> 03:42:16,000
for project management. So um so that

5248
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:17,920
some of these projects that we have the

5249
03:42:17,920 --> 03:42:19,680
list of the capital projects for example

5250
03:42:19,680 --> 03:42:22,160
have you know someone else that's not

5251
03:42:22,160 --> 03:42:25,520
you dealing with them. Um and I think

5252
03:42:25,520 --> 03:42:28,640
that would help tremendously. Uh it

5253
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:30,080
would also give you more time to fill

5254
03:42:30,080 --> 03:42:32,239
the finance manager position because

5255
03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:34,399
some of the jobs that are also on your

5256
03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:38,880
plate would be taken off um for the for

5257
03:42:38,880 --> 03:42:41,520
the grant for the PCE grant and again

5258
03:42:41,520 --> 03:42:43,359
the library grant would be also part of

5259
03:42:43,359 --> 03:42:45,520
it. I really want to make sure that that

5260
03:42:45,520 --> 03:42:48,800
goes towards battery backup for the town

5261
03:42:48,800 --> 03:42:51,359
center and not towards new fixture light

5262
03:42:51,359 --> 03:42:53,200
fixtures. So I just want to put that out

5263
03:42:53,200 --> 03:42:55,760
there. Um the main thing is we we do

5264
03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:59,439
need to approve the budget today. Um I

5265
03:42:59,439 --> 03:43:02,000
of course we want a balanced budget of

5266
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:04,880
course and we want full staffing so that

5267
03:43:04,880 --> 03:43:07,279
our staff are not you know run off their

5268
03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:09,279
feet and not getting sleep. Of course we

5269
03:43:09,279 --> 03:43:11,279
want to be able to pay our staff you

5270
03:43:11,279 --> 03:43:13,840
know adequately so that they feel um

5271
03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:17,199
respected and appreciated. And we are

5272
03:43:17,199 --> 03:43:19,600
not able to do that because we do not

5273
03:43:19,600 --> 03:43:22,399
generate enough revenue in this town

5274
03:43:22,399 --> 03:43:24,160
because we are essentially a bedroom

5275
03:43:24,160 --> 03:43:26,399
community with very little commercial.

5276
03:43:26,399 --> 03:43:29,199
And I think the people in town have got

5277
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:31,680
to understand that and recognize that.

5278
03:43:31,680 --> 03:43:33,760
And right this minute, our staff is

5279
03:43:33,760 --> 03:43:36,640
bootstrapping and doing an incredible

5280
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:38,239
amount of stuff. If if anything, we

5281
03:43:38,239 --> 03:43:39,680
could just look at the last three or

5282
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:41,680
four town council meetings that have

5283
03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:44,960
been packed solid with so many things

5284
03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:47,279
that the staff on such a limited amount

5285
03:43:47,279 --> 03:43:49,600
of people are doing. And I actually

5286
03:43:49,600 --> 03:43:51,920
think that I mean, one, we have a

5287
03:43:51,920 --> 03:43:54,640
reserve for this kind of purpose of kind

5288
03:43:54,640 --> 03:43:57,760
of helping us get through. Um, but

5289
03:43:57,760 --> 03:43:59,680
second of all, I think by ending up with

5290
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:02,560
a deficit right now, that is one of the

5291
03:44:02,560 --> 03:44:04,640
best indicators to the town that we have

5292
03:44:04,640 --> 03:44:08,800
a very serious problem that has to be

5293
03:44:08,800 --> 03:44:11,040
solved in November with a revenue

5294
03:44:11,040 --> 03:44:13,520
enhancement measure. So, you know, I

5295
03:44:13,520 --> 03:44:15,120
think it's a pie in the sky to think

5296
03:44:15,120 --> 03:44:17,120
that we can balance a budget on the

5297
03:44:17,120 --> 03:44:20,399
backs of our staff or by, you know, not

5298
03:44:20,399 --> 03:44:23,199
trimming the trees for our evacuation

5299
03:44:23,199 --> 03:44:25,520
right away. You know, right as we're

5300
03:44:25,520 --> 03:44:27,920
going into, we just heard PG& talk about

5301
03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:31,279
how we are in a very high risk area for

5302
03:44:31,279 --> 03:44:34,239
wildfires um that PG& is so concerned

5303
03:44:34,239 --> 03:44:35,760
that they're going to be popping off our

5304
03:44:35,760 --> 03:44:38,080
electricity the minute it blows wind

5305
03:44:38,080 --> 03:44:40,640
more than 5 miles an hour. So, you know,

5306
03:44:40,640 --> 03:44:42,399
cutting at that point for that I don't

5307
03:44:42,399 --> 03:44:44,960
think is a good idea. So, my point is

5308
03:44:44,960 --> 03:44:47,120
that, you know, you know, we we it is

5309
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:48,880
what it is. We don't have the money. If

5310
03:44:48,880 --> 03:44:50,399
someone would like to give us half a

5311
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:52,160
million dollar, you know, donation,

5312
03:44:52,160 --> 03:44:53,520
we'll be happy to take it and we'll have

5313
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:56,080
a balanced budget at that point. Um, but

5314
03:44:56,080 --> 03:44:57,760
I think we do I think Tony's already

5315
03:44:57,760 --> 03:44:59,920
shown that he's working very hard to

5316
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:02,080
control costs that we're even with the

5317
03:45:02,080 --> 03:45:03,520
passing a balanced budget with the

5318
03:45:03,520 --> 03:45:06,239
700,000 deficit, we're going to continue

5319
03:45:06,239 --> 03:45:08,160
for the next six months working to find

5320
03:45:08,160 --> 03:45:09,760
where we can save

5321
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:11,359
and I think we're going to continue to

5322
03:45:11,359 --> 03:45:13,600
do that. So, that's where I'm at with

5323
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:16,479
this. Thanks.

5324
03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:20,950
>> Thank you, Mary.

5325
03:45:20,960 --> 03:45:23,439
» We've had this discussion before and

5326
03:45:23,439 --> 03:45:28,479
we're we're limping along. Um,

5327
03:45:28,479 --> 03:45:30,399
all council has been committed to having

5328
03:45:30,399 --> 03:45:33,359
a balanced budget, by the way. This is

5329
03:45:33,359 --> 03:45:36,000
what we tried to do. We've tried it

5330
03:45:36,000 --> 03:45:39,680
various different ways. Um, and we're

5331
03:45:39,680 --> 03:45:41,920
trying to solve problems

5332
03:45:41,920 --> 03:45:45,359
not that are not soluble actually with

5333
03:45:45,359 --> 03:45:47,920
unless we go ahead and do something that

5334
03:45:47,920 --> 03:45:51,520
generates more revenue. So, and we do

5335
03:45:51,520 --> 03:45:53,680
have to get this budget done and I'm for

5336
03:45:53,680 --> 03:45:55,199
going ahead with the budget because it

5337
03:45:55,199 --> 03:45:57,279
has to be done. That's as simple as

5338
03:45:57,279 --> 03:46:00,479
that. Uh, I was probably the person who

5339
03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:02,560
was strongest in the beginning of trying

5340
03:46:02,560 --> 03:46:05,040
to get this to be a a balanced budget

5341
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:07,760
and we put it out there. I think two

5342
03:46:07,760 --> 03:46:10,800
years ago, we succeeded in thinking we

5343
03:46:10,800 --> 03:46:12,160
were going to have a balanced budget and

5344
03:46:12,160 --> 03:46:15,600
it just doesn't work. So, we we just

5345
03:46:15,600 --> 03:46:18,640
slide back into where we are. Um because

5346
03:46:18,640 --> 03:46:20,560
we're we're being honest with what our

5347
03:46:20,560 --> 03:46:24,720
expenses are. So, anyway, good work.

5348
03:46:24,720 --> 03:46:27,040
Thank you. Keep it up.

5349
03:46:27,040 --> 03:46:28,319
>> Thank you, Mary Coen.

5350
03:46:28,319 --> 03:46:31,199
>> Um so, you know, thank you for bringing

5351
03:46:31,199 --> 03:46:33,279
it forward, right? It's always good to

5352
03:46:33,279 --> 03:46:36,640
consider other options. Um, if you can

5353
03:46:36,640 --> 03:46:38,960
send the comment too, I do better

5354
03:46:38,960 --> 03:46:41,279
visually than auditorially. So, I would

5355
03:46:41,279 --> 03:46:43,040
appreciate sending it just for future

5356
03:46:43,040 --> 03:46:45,199
reference. I think at this point because

5357
03:46:45,199 --> 03:46:47,920
of um, you know, we've got to be able to

5358
03:46:47,920 --> 03:46:51,520
pay staff. They um, and so we have to

5359
03:46:51,520 --> 03:46:57,120
pass it. Um, and uh, you know, I I and

5360
03:46:57,120 --> 03:47:01,520
our number one reason to have government

5361
03:47:01,520 --> 03:47:03,760
is to try to keep people safe. And so we

5362
03:47:03,760 --> 03:47:06,239
need to spend the money on Woodside Fire

5363
03:47:06,239 --> 03:47:09,760
and our right ofway. Um but I do it, you

5364
03:47:09,760 --> 03:47:12,880
know, it does annoy me and if you guys

5365
03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:16,000
are listening, Kim, you know, like um

5366
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:19,040
you know, they get 70 17 cents for every

5367
03:47:19,040 --> 03:47:21,120
dollar in taxes that we pay and we get 5

5368
03:47:21,120 --> 03:47:24,000
cents, right? Because usually most

5369
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:25,760
cities have other commercial

5370
03:47:25,760 --> 03:47:28,960
opportunities for taxation and we don't.

5371
03:47:28,960 --> 03:47:31,040
We get property taxes that are locked in

5372
03:47:31,040 --> 03:47:35,199
under Prop 13. Um so and that was you

5373
03:47:35,199 --> 03:47:36,800
know and that happens with special

5374
03:47:36,800 --> 03:47:40,880
districts and it's frustrating. Um so um

5375
03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:42,880
thanks to Tony for wearing multiple

5376
03:47:42,880 --> 03:47:46,479
hats. We want you to get sleep. Um and

5377
03:47:46,479 --> 03:47:48,880
thank you for what you've done. Um I

5378
03:47:48,880 --> 03:47:51,680
will vote yes on this budget. So thank

5379
03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:55,040
you for um for you know what you are

5380
03:47:55,040 --> 03:47:56,640
doing.

5381
03:47:56,640 --> 03:47:59,680
>> Thank you Helen.

5382
03:47:59,680 --> 03:48:01,840
>> So I echo my colleagues. Thank you,

5383
03:48:01,840 --> 03:48:04,560
Tony, for putting this together. Um, I

5384
03:48:04,560 --> 03:48:07,439
would not be in favor of having you

5385
03:48:07,439 --> 03:48:10,800
continue doing both jobs. I mean, I I

5386
03:48:10,800 --> 03:48:12,960
appreciate you've been doing it. I'm,

5387
03:48:12,960 --> 03:48:14,960
you know, thank thank you for your

5388
03:48:14,960 --> 03:48:17,600
service, but this is not sustainable,

5389
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:19,840
and I don't think not having an

5390
03:48:19,840 --> 03:48:22,239
assistant town manager is sustainable.

5391
03:48:22,239 --> 03:48:23,760
So, having you drop back to just being

5392
03:48:23,760 --> 03:48:25,040
the finance director, I don't think that

5393
03:48:25,040 --> 03:48:26,560
works either. I mean, we need a

5394
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:29,120
functioning town. Um, and you've been

5395
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:32,560
doing a great job at both, but I can see

5396
03:48:32,560 --> 03:48:34,319
when I meet with you, you're getting

5397
03:48:34,319 --> 03:48:36,720
more and more tired. So, I mean,

5398
03:48:36,720 --> 03:48:42,399
anything we can do to help you. Um, but please don't don't take hiring off

5399
03:48:42,399 --> 03:48:44,560
the table. Um, I I don't think that

5400
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:46,800
makes sense on the Woodside Fire. I I

5401
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:50,479
mean, are we down to just um right away

5402
03:48:50,479 --> 03:48:52,319
maintenance at this point? Is that there

5403
03:48:52,319 --> 03:48:53,600
other thing because I know for a while

5404
03:48:53,600 --> 03:48:59,189
there's some

5405
03:48:59,199 --> 03:49:01,600
It's they're it's what it's vegetation

5406
03:49:01,600 --> 03:49:04,960
management, the chipper program and um

5407
03:49:04,960 --> 03:49:07,199
education is part of their budget,

5408
03:49:07,199 --> 03:49:09,840
>> right? And the education we have I mean

5409
03:49:09,840 --> 03:49:12,319
that's like a contract we have. So I

5410
03:49:12,319 --> 03:49:13,680
mean that's something we have to pay for

5411
03:49:13,680 --> 03:49:15,120
at least for a while. At some point we

5412
03:49:15,120 --> 03:49:16,640
could decide to stop paying for that,

5413
03:49:16,640 --> 03:49:18,640
>> right? But we have to negotiate that

5414
03:49:18,640 --> 03:49:19,439
with the contract,

5415
03:49:19,439 --> 03:49:21,359
>> right? So I I think that's something

5416
03:49:21,359 --> 03:49:23,359
that we should potentially look at. And

5417
03:49:23,359 --> 03:49:25,439
the other question that the citizens

5418
03:49:25,439 --> 03:49:27,439
need to decide is, you know, chipping is

5419
03:49:27,439 --> 03:49:28,880
something we're doing for the public,

5420
03:49:28,880 --> 03:49:31,199
not a requirement of the town.

5421
03:49:31,199 --> 03:49:32,960
>> Um, unlike the rightaways, th those are

5422
03:49:32,960 --> 03:49:34,880
our responsibilities. So, I mean, that's

5423
03:49:34,880 --> 03:49:36,960
another thing that we could drop,

5424
03:49:36,960 --> 03:49:39,040
>> but I see that as an important service

5425
03:49:39,040 --> 03:49:40,399
and we said that, you know, and we've

5426
03:49:40,399 --> 03:49:42,319
seen it over and over again that, you

5427
03:49:42,319 --> 03:49:43,840
know, wildfire preparedness is an

5428
03:49:43,840 --> 03:49:46,319
important thing. So I'm I'm hardressed

5429
03:49:46,319 --> 03:49:48,319
to drop that even though I think

5430
03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:49,840
technically it's a

5431
03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:53,359
>> and they going to I mean it went from 47

5432
03:49:53,359 --> 03:49:54,560
I think to 35,

5433
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,000
>> right? And yeah, we've kind of reduced

5434
03:49:56,000 --> 03:49:58,960
it. Um so so I think we're you know

5435
03:49:58,960 --> 03:50:01,199
we've been working with Woodside. Um I

5436
03:50:01,199 --> 03:50:03,120
think the education is the this for me

5437
03:50:03,120 --> 03:50:04,640
the last one that's sort of hanging out

5438
03:50:04,640 --> 03:50:07,120
there that feels like they could cover

5439
03:50:07,120 --> 03:50:08,800
>> um with their budget.

5440
03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:11,920
>> Um the it the 30k I'm completely in

5441
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:13,520
favor of. You know, I've been sort of

5442
03:50:13,520 --> 03:50:15,199
trying to rally the troops. I mean, we

5443
03:50:15,199 --> 03:50:19,520
need reasonable it here because we're all paying that cost. The public

5444
03:50:19,520 --> 03:50:22,000
pays it every time. We can't do stuff in

5445
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:25,120
the room. Every time we have issues at

5446
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:27,680
town hall, we pay for it. So, so I think

5447
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:31,040
that's well um money spent. The one area

5448
03:50:31,040 --> 03:50:32,880
I would ask you to look at, I'm not

5449
03:50:32,880 --> 03:50:35,359
asking to change the budget tonight. Um

5450
03:50:35,359 --> 03:50:37,840
I was a little worried the accumulated

5451
03:50:37,840 --> 03:50:40,239
training costs. I mean, they do add up

5452
03:50:40,239 --> 03:50:42,720
and there's I don't know 50 or 60K in

5453
03:50:42,720 --> 03:50:43,760
there.

5454
03:50:43,760 --> 03:50:46,800
>> Given the issues that we have right now,

5455
03:50:46,800 --> 03:50:49,439
you know, that one feels I I believe in

5456
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:51,600
staff training. I think it's important.

5457
03:50:51,600 --> 03:50:55,600
Um I guess I would hope that staff for

5458
03:50:55,600 --> 03:50:57,439
the first half of this year would go

5459
03:50:57,439 --> 03:50:58,479
light on that budget.

5460
03:50:58,479 --> 03:51:00,720
>> Yeah. Um, so I'm I'm not asking for a

5461
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:02,080
change in it, but but I think that

5462
03:51:02,080 --> 03:51:04,319
that's the the one area that the

5463
03:51:04,319 --> 03:51:05,920
department heads could consider, you

5464
03:51:05,920 --> 03:51:08,160
know, just trying to stay late until we

5465
03:51:08,160 --> 03:51:09,920
get through to the midyear budget.

5466
03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:11,840
>> But just as a reminder, when we balanced

5467
03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:14,239
the budget in 2425,

5468
03:51:14,239 --> 03:51:16,080
development was not cut.

5469
03:51:16,080 --> 03:51:18,399
>> Yeah. No, I I understand. But but we

5470
03:51:18,399 --> 03:51:20,239
also had a balanced budget then and now

5471
03:51:20,239 --> 03:51:22,319
we have a deficit. So it's a slightly

5472
03:51:22,319 --> 03:51:25,040
different. So, um, anyway, that's a

5473
03:51:25,040 --> 03:51:26,720
request I'm making, you know, and and I

5474
03:51:26,720 --> 03:51:28,399
think I'm make making it mostly of the

5475
03:51:28,399 --> 03:51:29,920
assistant town manager who has some

5476
03:51:29,920 --> 03:51:32,800
influence. Um, but other than that, um,

5477
03:51:32,800 --> 03:51:34,080
thank you. I really do.

5478
03:51:34,080 --> 03:51:36,319
>> Reinstitute. It's not in the budget.

5479
03:51:36,319 --> 03:51:37,760
>> I'll reinstitute. It's not in the

5480
03:51:37,760 --> 03:51:40,399
budget. That was that was the mantra in

5481
03:51:40,399 --> 03:51:42,399
2425 is it's not in the budget.

5482
03:51:42,399 --> 03:51:45,040
>> There you go. Yeah. Perfect. So, um,

5483
03:51:45,040 --> 03:51:46,479
well, this is in the budget, but I'm

5484
03:51:46,479 --> 03:51:48,000
saying go go go light on it for

5485
03:51:48,000 --> 03:51:51,279
>> we'll we'll we'll monitor we'll look at

5486
03:51:51,279 --> 03:51:52,800
if things can be deferred in the second

5487
03:51:52,800 --> 03:51:53,359
half. [clears throat]

5488
03:51:53,359 --> 03:51:54,319
>> Exactly. That's

5489
03:51:54,319 --> 03:51:55,120
>> we'll do all that. Yeah,

5490
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:57,199
>> that's the request. Great. Perfect. So,

5491
03:51:57,199 --> 03:51:59,040
um, other than that, yeah, I'm in favor

5492
03:51:59,040 --> 03:52:00,560
that this budget as well. I appreciate

5493
03:52:00,560 --> 03:52:01,600
you putting it together.

5494
03:52:01,600 --> 03:52:03,120
>> And also, I just wanted to add the the

5495
03:52:03,120 --> 03:52:06,000
inner west contract will be for project

5496
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:09,520
management and public works assistance

5497
03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:14,229
specifically. So,

5498
03:52:14,239 --> 03:52:18,160
Okay. So, with that,

5499
03:52:18,160 --> 03:52:23,120
get back to my agenda here. Um,

5500
03:52:23,120 --> 03:52:25,520
so we need a resolution to adopt the

5501
03:52:25,520 --> 03:52:28,160
fiscal year 2627 operating and capital

5502
03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:29,359
project budget.

5503
03:52:29,359 --> 03:52:31,199
>> So moved. So moved.

5504
03:52:31,199 --> 03:52:34,080
>> Okay. I think I have motion by Helen,

5505
03:52:34,080 --> 03:52:36,399
second by Rebecca.

5506
03:52:36,399 --> 03:52:37,840
>> All in favor?

5507
03:52:37,840 --> 03:52:39,040
>> I.

5508
03:52:39,040 --> 03:52:42,160
>> Anyone opposed? Any abstensions? Okay,

5509
03:52:42,160 --> 03:52:45,279
passes unanimously. Thank you, Tony. All

5510
03:52:45,279 --> 03:52:48,479
right, closing 8A, moving to the very

5511
03:52:48,479 --> 03:52:51,920
exciting topic of resolution to

5512
03:52:51,920 --> 03:52:54,479
establish the GAN appropriation limit

5513
03:52:54,479 --> 03:52:58,000
for 2026 2027. Tony, this is yours as

5514
03:52:58,000 --> 03:52:58,399
well.

5515
03:52:58,399 --> 03:53:00,399
>> Yes. And I do not have a PowerPoint.

5516
03:53:00,399 --> 03:53:02,319
This is administrative. We have to adopt

5517
03:53:02,319 --> 03:53:03,760
it every year.

5518
03:53:03,760 --> 03:53:07,120
>> Thank you, Sarah. Good night. be uh

5519
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:10,239
taking last year's limit and m using

5520
03:53:10,239 --> 03:53:12,800
factors of the increase in CPI and the

5521
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:14,479
change of population in the county.

5522
03:53:14,479 --> 03:53:14,960
>> Yep.

5523
03:53:14,960 --> 03:53:17,600
>> Um so that's the number that came out

5524
03:53:17,600 --> 03:53:19,920
with the calculation. So we need a

5525
03:53:19,920 --> 03:53:21,120
resolution to pass.

5526
03:53:21,120 --> 03:53:22,399
>> Yeah. And and like I said, there was

5527
03:53:22,399 --> 03:53:26,560
just a typo in the packet on the point

5528
03:53:26,560 --> 03:53:28,720
0.3 versus 0.0.

5529
03:53:28,720 --> 03:53:29,439
>> It wouldn't

5530
03:53:29,439 --> 03:53:30,319
>> Yeah, it's okay.

5531
03:53:30,319 --> 03:53:30,640
>> Yeah.

5532
03:53:30,640 --> 03:53:32,319
Yeah. I figured it was probably a

5533
03:53:32,319 --> 03:53:34,239
rounding error, but just so you know,

5534
03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:35,920
everybody knows and we can just fix

5535
03:53:35,920 --> 03:53:38,399
that. So, are there any questions on the

5536
03:53:38,399 --> 03:53:40,080
GAN limit? I mean, this is really very

5537
03:53:40,080 --> 03:53:42,080
much a you know, turn the crank, come up

5538
03:53:42,080 --> 03:53:46,239
with a number. So, any K. Okay. So, any

5539
03:53:46,239 --> 03:53:48,399
comments from the public in the room?

5540
03:53:48,399 --> 03:53:49,920
Mark, are you good on the GAN limit?

5541
03:53:49,920 --> 03:53:52,399
Perfect. Thank you, sir. [laughter]

5542
03:53:52,399 --> 03:53:54,080
You know, listen, you got to respect

5543
03:53:54,080 --> 03:53:56,812
somebody's hanging in here until 11:30.

5544
03:53:56,812 --> 03:53:58,870
[laughter]

5545
03:53:58,880 --> 03:54:01,199
All right. Um, is there anyone online

5546
03:54:01,199 --> 03:54:02,560
that would like to comment on the GAN

5547
03:54:02,560 --> 03:54:13,110
limit? Christie, go ahead.

5548
03:54:13,120 --> 03:54:19,110
Christie, you're muted.

5549
03:54:19,120 --> 03:54:19,760
» There you go.

5550
03:54:19,760 --> 03:54:22,160
>> Claim what you were

5551
03:54:22,160 --> 03:54:24,319
referring to.

5552
03:54:24,319 --> 03:54:26,239
>> The GAN limit that's in the packet.

5553
03:54:26,239 --> 03:54:28,239
There's a full staff report on

5554
03:54:28,239 --> 03:54:32,560
>> I want to hear what the description is

5555
03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:34,640
for the public.

5556
03:54:34,640 --> 03:54:37,760
>> Okay. So, the reason we publish a

5557
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:39,600
packet, Christie, is so the public can

5558
03:54:39,600 --> 03:54:42,720
read it. Um, so I appreciate your

5559
03:54:42,720 --> 03:54:45,040
comment. You would you would like maybe

5560
03:54:45,040 --> 03:54:46,880
more information, but I think if you

5561
03:54:46,880 --> 03:54:49,520
read the packet, it describes it in

5562
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:51,920
detail.

5563
03:54:51,920 --> 03:54:54,800
>> I would like you to describe it now for

5564
03:54:54,800 --> 03:54:56,800
the public.

5565
03:54:56,800 --> 03:55:03,349
Thank you that I hear your comment.

5566
03:55:03,359 --> 03:55:07,359
So, um, with that, yeah, no, I it's she

5567
03:55:07,359 --> 03:55:08,800
can comment. So, that's her comment. She

5568
03:55:08,800 --> 03:55:11,199
would like more commentary, but I

5569
03:55:11,199 --> 03:55:12,720
believe we've got it in the packet and

5570
03:55:12,720 --> 03:55:16,319
it's well documented. So, um, with that,

5571
03:55:16,319 --> 03:55:19,279
I'm going to close public comment

5572
03:55:19,279 --> 03:55:21,040
and bring it back to the council for

5573
03:55:21,040 --> 03:55:23,199
discussion. Is there any additional

5574
03:55:23,199 --> 03:55:24,560
discussion the council would like to

5575
03:55:24,560 --> 03:55:26,160
have on this?

5576
03:55:26,160 --> 03:55:28,880
>> Tony, do you have a two sentence

5577
03:55:28,880 --> 03:55:31,520
description of the GAN limit? We are

5578
03:55:31,520 --> 03:55:34,319
here to be visible to the public and

5579
03:55:34,319 --> 03:55:37,760
asking them to read a thousand pages to

5580
03:55:37,760 --> 03:55:40,640
keep up with us is simply unfair.

5581
03:55:40,640 --> 03:55:43,840
>> The uh Right. But reading staff reports

5582
03:55:43,840 --> 03:55:45,600
if you're interested in it, I mean it

5583
03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:46,560
does.

5584
03:55:46,560 --> 03:55:48,319
>> This is my request of

5585
03:55:48,319 --> 03:55:50,160
>> Yeah, that's fine. I'm I'm good with

5586
03:55:50,160 --> 03:55:52,080
that. I can even read the background for

5587
03:55:52,080 --> 03:55:54,080
you if you like.

5588
03:55:54,080 --> 03:55:57,359
>> So the GAN limit resolution is required

5589
03:55:57,359 --> 03:56:00,479
by state law. It sets the appropriation

5590
03:56:00,479 --> 03:56:04,960
limit. So basically it sets how much tax

5591
03:56:04,960 --> 03:56:07,600
revenue we can generate and then how

5592
03:56:07,600 --> 03:56:09,680
much we can spend against the tax

5593
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:15,359
revenue. And for um as as long as our

5594
03:56:15,359 --> 03:56:18,160
appropriations subject to the limit are

5595
03:56:18,160 --> 03:56:20,239
below the appropriations limit, we are

5596
03:56:20,239 --> 03:56:23,680
in compliance with the GAN limit

5597
03:56:23,680 --> 03:56:25,520
>> and that is the case.

5598
03:56:25,520 --> 03:56:26,960
>> That is the case.

5599
03:56:26,960 --> 03:56:29,439
>> Thank you.

5600
03:56:29,439 --> 03:56:31,359
>> Okay. Any other discussion within the

5601
03:56:31,359 --> 03:56:34,080
council?

5602
03:56:34,080 --> 03:56:36,479
>> All right. Well, with that, I would for

5603
03:56:36,479 --> 03:56:38,560
a motion to

5604
03:56:38,560 --> 03:56:40,720
approve a res a resolution to establish

5605
03:56:40,720 --> 03:56:44,720
the fiscal 2627 appropriation limit.

5606
03:56:44,720 --> 03:56:46,560
>> So moved. Second.

5607
03:56:46,560 --> 03:56:46,720
>> Okay.

5608
03:56:46,720 --> 03:56:48,399
>> I have a motion in a second. All in

5609
03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:49,040
favor?

5610
03:56:49,040 --> 03:56:50,160
>> I.

5611
03:56:50,160 --> 03:56:52,399
>> Any opposed?

5612
03:56:52,399 --> 03:56:54,319
Any abstensions? All right. Passes

5613
03:56:54,319 --> 03:57:11,429
unanimously. Thank you, Tony.

5614
03:57:11,439 --> 03:57:14,640
All right. So, with that, we move on to

5615
03:57:14,640 --> 03:57:17,279
8C.

5616
03:57:17,279 --> 03:57:19,600
>> Yes. Hi, Darcy Smith, town manager. I'll

5617
03:57:19,600 --> 03:57:22,640
just make a brief oral presentation. So,

5618
03:57:22,640 --> 03:57:26,800
this is an item that is a consideration

5619
03:57:26,800 --> 03:57:29,520
to authorize and provide direction to

5620
03:57:29,520 --> 03:57:31,359
the mayor to complete the ballot. It's

5621
03:57:31,359 --> 03:57:33,760
for the West Ridge Architectural

5622
03:57:33,760 --> 03:57:37,600
Supervising Committee 2026 reinstatement

5623
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:39,760
of the protective restrictions,

5624
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:41,279
conditions, covenants, and agreements

5625
03:57:41,279 --> 03:57:44,960
for the West Ridge area, otherwise known

5626
03:57:44,960 --> 03:57:48,000
as restrictions or CCNRs. And this is

5627
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:50,399
before you because the t town owns a

5628
03:57:50,399 --> 03:57:53,439
piece of property in this restrictive

5629
03:57:53,439 --> 03:57:56,800
area on Escobar Road. I want to point

5630
03:57:56,800 --> 03:57:59,439
out it is unique property and that it's

5631
03:57:59,439 --> 03:58:02,239
considered steep.

5632
03:58:02,239 --> 03:58:04,160
I've heard it's unbuildable, but I guess

5633
03:58:04,160 --> 03:58:05,520
with enough money you can build on

5634
03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:07,600
anything and it was dedicated to the

5635
03:58:07,600 --> 03:58:09,439
town with the subdivision in the early

5636
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:10,960
'7s.

5637
03:58:10,960 --> 03:58:12,720
It appears to be dedicated as open

5638
03:58:12,720 --> 03:58:14,640
space. Um, but we'd have to do more

5639
03:58:14,640 --> 03:58:18,080
research on that. Um, so this ballot was

5640
03:58:18,080 --> 03:58:22,800
sent to us. It is due uh July 2nd and

5641
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:26,640
the council may consider either voting

5642
03:58:26,640 --> 03:58:28,960
yes to adopt it, no to adopt it, or just

5643
03:58:28,960 --> 03:58:31,359
to abstain. Um, the staff report

5644
03:58:31,359 --> 03:58:33,920
highlights what the changes were. This

5645
03:58:33,920 --> 03:58:35,920
is essentially the first major update

5646
03:58:35,920 --> 03:58:38,160
since 2008.

5647
03:58:38,160 --> 03:58:43,520
Um, as you can infer from the name, it applies to land use. So it has a

5648
03:58:43,520 --> 03:58:45,199
comprehensive set of land use

5649
03:58:45,199 --> 03:58:46,720
restrictions.

5650
03:58:46,720 --> 03:58:48,960
Um important to the town is that it does

5651
03:58:48,960 --> 03:58:52,000
impose fi new fire safety obligations

5652
03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:53,840
which include vegetation management

5653
03:58:53,840 --> 03:58:55,520
requirements

5654
03:58:55,520 --> 03:58:58,640
um removal of certain plants like poison

5655
03:58:58,640 --> 03:59:03,040
oak and other requirements. Um there's

5656
03:59:03,040 --> 03:59:06,239
also an increase in the assessment. It's

5657
03:59:06,239 --> 03:59:09,520
not maybe not significant. Um, but it

5658
03:59:09,520 --> 03:59:13,040
would go up a little bit. And so the

5659
03:59:13,040 --> 03:59:15,120
town's in a maybe a unique position

5660
03:59:15,120 --> 03:59:16,720
here, but I just want to emphasize that

5661
03:59:16,720 --> 03:59:18,960
the town has no regul regulatory

5662
03:59:18,960 --> 03:59:21,199
authority here. So you may have a lot of

5663
03:59:21,199 --> 03:59:23,840
concerns about the content here. You may

5664
03:59:23,840 --> 03:59:27,040
also question the legal authority. So I

5665
03:59:27,040 --> 03:59:28,640
want to tell you we did not review these

5666
03:59:28,640 --> 03:59:32,880
for any legal concerns at all. Um they

5667
03:59:32,880 --> 03:59:36,319
are again private property restrictions.

5668
03:59:36,319 --> 03:59:38,640
So the town's council's in a little bit

5669
03:59:38,640 --> 03:59:43,120
of unusual boat here. Uh and staff does

5670
03:59:43,120 --> 03:59:44,720
not make a recommendation. We can

5671
03:59:44,720 --> 03:59:47,680
certainly give you our input if you want

5672
03:59:47,680 --> 03:59:50,239
it. Um but with that I'll turn over to

5673
03:59:50,239 --> 03:59:53,920
the council for discussion.

5674
03:59:53,920 --> 03:59:59,590
>> Okay. Are there questions for Darcy?

5675
03:59:59,600 --> 04:00:01,520
» I have questions. Would you like to

5676
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:02,479
start?

5677
04:00:02,479 --> 04:00:03,520
>> No, you go.

5678
04:00:03,520 --> 04:00:05,520
>> Well, I I just occurred to me. Have we

5679
04:00:05,520 --> 04:00:08,000
ever voted on this before as the count

5680
04:00:08,000 --> 04:00:10,080
as a do you have any way of finding that

5681
04:00:10,080 --> 04:00:12,800
out? I suspect we never have.

5682
04:00:12,800 --> 04:00:14,560
>> Um,

5683
04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:16,880
>> we could not find any record.

5684
04:00:16,880 --> 04:00:22,309
>> Um, question for Darcy. Um,

5685
04:00:22,319 --> 04:00:24,880
no, I think I got it. Thank you.

5686
04:00:24,880 --> 04:00:25,520
>> And Mary,

5687
04:00:25,520 --> 04:00:29,600
>> and I am I I I'm I'm staying what I do,

5688
04:00:29,600 --> 04:00:32,710
right?

5689
04:00:32,720 --> 04:00:34,880
Yeah, I I understand that you were you

5690
04:00:34,880 --> 04:00:36,720
decided to recuse on this item given

5691
04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:38,399
that you reside in in the

5692
04:00:38,399 --> 04:00:40,399
>> So, I'm not even allowed to say what I

5693
04:00:40,399 --> 04:00:41,199
think about this.

5694
04:00:41,199 --> 04:00:42,880
>> Correct. If you're recused, then then

5695
04:00:42,880 --> 04:00:43,279
you

5696
04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:45,040
>> I do have a thought about what I think.

5697
04:00:45,040 --> 04:00:46,399
Anybody want to know what I think? I

5698
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:48,640
just thought of it. Okay. I'm not

5699
04:00:48,640 --> 04:00:49,920
>> I I would suggest

5700
04:00:49,920 --> 04:00:50,720
>> Don't go there.

5701
04:00:50,720 --> 04:00:54,080
>> Yeah. Um and we can we can um hopefully

5702
04:00:54,080 --> 04:00:57,600
call you back soon when this item is

5703
04:00:57,600 --> 04:01:02,479
Thank you, Mary. You got a bite too.

5704
04:01:02,479 --> 04:01:05,120
Get enough jack.

5705
04:01:05,120 --> 04:01:09,120
>> Well, there's there's still one.

5706
04:01:09,120 --> 04:01:09,520
>> Yeah.

5707
04:01:09,520 --> 04:01:11,120
>> Right. But yeah,

5708
04:01:11,120 --> 04:01:13,840
>> so the question.

5709
04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:15,439
>> Okay.

5710
04:01:15,439 --> 04:01:19,439
>> So I'm just trying to think if we take a

5711
04:01:19,439 --> 04:01:23,040
position on this at all,

5712
04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:26,880
it probably creates precedent. So we are

5713
04:01:26,880 --> 04:01:31,600
now appining and buying into in a way

5714
04:01:31,600 --> 04:01:35,279
the fact that this is all appropriate

5715
04:01:35,279 --> 04:01:37,760
and I'm just wondering like there's

5716
04:01:37,760 --> 04:01:39,760
overlapping jurisdiction on these

5717
04:01:39,760 --> 04:01:43,040
properties right on the one hand and

5718
04:01:43,040 --> 04:01:47,359
then the town has broader powers not not

5719
04:01:47,359 --> 04:01:51,279
regulatory within was but but it so if

5720
04:01:51,279 --> 04:01:53,600
we take a position

5721
04:01:53,600 --> 04:01:57,199
but later we develop velop some rules

5722
04:01:57,199 --> 04:02:00,800
that impact Wasque. Could that be put us

5723
04:02:00,800 --> 04:02:04,080
in a compromised position?

5724
04:02:04,080 --> 04:02:06,560
I'm not sure what this is, but I do

5725
04:02:06,560 --> 04:02:10,239
worry that there could be, you know, a

5726
04:02:10,239 --> 04:02:13,199
fire regulation that we want to adopt

5727
04:02:13,199 --> 04:02:15,120
that somehow at odds with whatever

5728
04:02:15,120 --> 04:02:17,840
they're doing here. Just one random

5729
04:02:17,840 --> 04:02:20,000
example. So, I I don't know if you've

5730
04:02:20,000 --> 04:02:22,800
thought that through. If so, what would

5731
04:02:22,800 --> 04:02:25,760
you know your your framework for looking

5732
04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:28,080
at that?

5733
04:02:28,080 --> 04:02:31,279
>> Um, so the council is sitting in an

5734
04:02:31,279 --> 04:02:34,640
interesting spot here. Um, this is not

5735
04:02:34,640 --> 04:02:37,840
unprecedented in terms of other, you

5736
04:02:37,840 --> 04:02:40,800
know, local governments have property in

5737
04:02:40,800 --> 04:02:43,920
um, areas uh, where they, you know, vote

5738
04:02:43,920 --> 04:02:46,720
on CCNRs and that kind of thing. Uh but

5739
04:02:46,720 --> 04:02:48,800
this is a quite a comprehensive, you

5740
04:02:48,800 --> 04:02:51,520
know, restatement of all of their rules.

5741
04:02:51,520 --> 04:02:53,600
Uh and so, you know, the council is

5742
04:02:53,600 --> 04:02:55,359
sitting in its in a seat as a property

5743
04:02:55,359 --> 04:02:58,640
owner here, but the the council

5744
04:02:58,640 --> 04:03:00,800
obviously acts as a regulatory body as

5745
04:03:00,800 --> 04:03:02,880
well. And so, you know, it is difficult

5746
04:03:02,880 --> 04:03:05,040
to separate those two roles. I I would

5747
04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:06,640
say I I can't really say that there

5748
04:03:06,640 --> 04:03:08,080
necessarily would be a precedent by how

5749
04:03:08,080 --> 04:03:10,080
you vote on this matter, but I think

5750
04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:11,920
that's worth considering uh those two

5751
04:03:11,920 --> 04:03:14,080
rules. and and the president said you

5752
04:03:14,080 --> 04:03:18,160
know basically you know what um uh yeah

5753
04:03:18,160 --> 04:03:19,359
what what would happen in the future in

5754
04:03:19,359 --> 04:03:20,479
terms of implementation.

5755
04:03:20,479 --> 04:03:21,520
>> Thank you.

5756
04:03:21,520 --> 04:03:24,080
>> That's all.

5757
04:03:24,080 --> 04:03:25,840
>> Did you have a comment?

5758
04:03:25,840 --> 04:03:27,680
>> Not a comment. Sorry question.

5759
04:03:27,680 --> 04:03:32,560
>> Yeah. No. Um can I get clarification on

5760
04:03:32,560 --> 04:03:34,160
um

5761
04:03:34,160 --> 04:03:36,640
the HO I was looking for I thought I

5762
04:03:36,640 --> 04:03:38,319
highlighted it but I can't find it right

5763
04:03:38,319 --> 04:03:41,520
now. the HOA versus

5764
04:03:41,520 --> 04:03:45,120
uh they call call themselves now here it

5765
04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:47,920
is um

5766
04:03:47,920 --> 04:03:51,600
uh an unincorporated association of

5767
04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:54,479
property owners like what's the

5768
04:03:54,479 --> 04:03:57,040
>> so they're yeah they're not an HOA

5769
04:03:57,040 --> 04:03:59,520
they're they have covenants between each

5770
04:03:59,520 --> 04:04:03,199
other rather than to an association

5771
04:04:03,199 --> 04:04:06,000
>> okay so legally

5772
04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:08,239
>> and they were never an HOA

5773
04:04:08,239 --> 04:04:10,640
And they could never at this point they

5774
04:04:10,640 --> 04:04:13,439
could never be an HOA.

5775
04:04:13,439 --> 04:04:16,790
>> Okay.

5776
04:04:16,800 --> 04:04:19,040
And it's grounding the committee's

5777
04:04:19,040 --> 04:04:21,920
authority and equitable servitudes

5778
04:04:21,920 --> 04:04:25,920
created by the original 1947 deed.

5779
04:04:25,920 --> 04:04:29,520
Okay. Is what it says.

5780
04:04:29,520 --> 04:04:31,760
Um [snorts]

5781
04:04:31,760 --> 04:04:35,439
okay. though and

5782
04:04:35,439 --> 04:04:38,319
we have no authority over their CCRs,

5783
04:04:38,319 --> 04:04:39,359
right? Just

5784
04:04:39,359 --> 04:04:41,279
>> correct.

5785
04:04:41,279 --> 04:04:44,080
>> Okay. Okay, that's my questions. Thank

5786
04:04:44,080 --> 04:04:44,960
you.

5787
04:04:44,960 --> 04:04:47,439
>> Thank you, Rebecca.

5788
04:04:47,439 --> 04:04:49,520
>> Um,

5789
04:04:49,520 --> 04:04:51,680
so it's an unincorporated association of

5790
04:04:51,680 --> 04:04:53,680
property owners with covenants between

5791
04:04:53,680 --> 04:04:55,840
the properties itself. So they're kind

5792
04:04:55,840 --> 04:05:00,239
of self agreeing to adhere to these

5793
04:05:00,239 --> 04:05:04,560
particular rules. Legally, however, um

5794
04:05:04,560 --> 04:05:06,319
do the individual properties have to

5795
04:05:06,319 --> 04:05:09,359
comply with state law if it's in

5796
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:15,990
conflict with what's in these CCRs?

5797
04:05:16,000 --> 04:05:18,160
» Uh generally speaking, yes. Um but in

5798
04:05:18,160 --> 04:05:20,080
some some respects, the CCNRs can

5799
04:05:20,080 --> 04:05:23,520
override um certain aspects of state of

5800
04:05:23,520 --> 04:05:25,760
state law. And so this actually was uh

5801
04:05:25,760 --> 04:05:27,920
was an issue with the accessory dwelling

5802
04:05:27,920 --> 04:05:32,800
unit law um uh where uh HOAs were

5803
04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:35,439
basically overriding uh uh members

5804
04:05:35,439 --> 04:05:39,920
abilities to uh develop ADUs and the

5805
04:05:39,920 --> 04:05:41,920
state legislature actually changed the

5806
04:05:41,920 --> 04:05:45,120
ADU law to prohibit that uh so that even

5807
04:05:45,120 --> 04:05:49,199
if the the HOA prohibits the ADU the

5808
04:05:49,199 --> 04:05:50,960
property owner can still develop one.

5809
04:05:50,960 --> 04:05:53,120
That is not the case with SB9 units as I

5810
04:05:53,120 --> 04:05:55,439
understand it. However, so in in the

5811
04:05:55,439 --> 04:06:00,399
context of SB9 units, um the HOA can

5812
04:06:00,399 --> 04:06:02,080
prohibit

5813
04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:03,359
uh

5814
04:06:03,359 --> 04:06:05,199
>> split and and my understanding,

5815
04:06:05,199 --> 04:06:06,720
>> this isn't an HOA,

5816
04:06:06,720 --> 04:06:08,239
>> right? My understanding is Westridge

5817
04:06:08,239 --> 04:06:11,600
doesn't think that the AU applies

5818
04:06:11,600 --> 04:06:13,600
because they're not an HOA. They have

5819
04:06:13,600 --> 04:06:16,640
these covenants. Do you know whether

5820
04:06:16,640 --> 04:06:19,520
>> these uh and again we did not do a

5821
04:06:19,520 --> 04:06:22,160
comprehensively review of this but I uh

5822
04:06:22,160 --> 04:06:27,279
but the restated CCNRs do address ADUs

5823
04:06:27,279 --> 04:06:30,560
and uh permit them with the conditions

5824
04:06:30,560 --> 04:06:32,000
included in in

5825
04:06:32,000 --> 04:06:33,920
>> but I'm saying they believe they can

5826
04:06:33,920 --> 04:06:37,040
create ADU rules rather than have the

5827
04:06:37,040 --> 04:06:40,399
state apply ADU rules to them is my

5828
04:06:40,399 --> 04:06:41,120
understanding.

5829
04:06:41,120 --> 04:06:41,520
>> Okay.

5830
04:06:41,520 --> 04:06:43,760
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, the CCRs say

5831
04:06:43,760 --> 04:06:45,840
that they can specify it's a

5832
04:06:45,840 --> 04:06:47,680
discretionary decision on the part of

5833
04:06:47,680 --> 04:06:49,600
their committee about I mean, you can

5834
04:06:49,600 --> 04:06:50,960
have an ADU, but it has to go through

5835
04:06:50,960 --> 04:06:53,120
their discretionary process. They they

5836
04:06:53,120 --> 04:06:56,080
they've focused on site and every and

5837
04:06:56,080 --> 04:06:58,160
design, which is not allowed in the law.

5838
04:06:58,160 --> 04:07:00,880
So, I'm unclear about whether this

5839
04:07:00,880 --> 04:07:07,040
overrides or not, but um regardless, the reality most of the CCRs don't apply

5840
04:07:07,040 --> 04:07:10,080
to this lot because it's not because

5841
04:07:10,080 --> 04:07:13,359
it's essentially not buildable. So, we

5842
04:07:13,359 --> 04:07:14,800
wouldn't be going through the process

5843
04:07:14,800 --> 04:07:16,479
because we're not necessarily going to

5844
04:07:16,479 --> 04:07:20,800
be building on the lot. But, um

5845
04:07:20,800 --> 04:07:22,080
I guess yeah, I guess those are my

5846
04:07:22,080 --> 04:07:23,199
questions. I'm starting to get into

5847
04:07:23,199 --> 04:07:24,239
discussion here. Sorry.

5848
04:07:24,239 --> 04:07:27,279
>> Yeah. Thank you. Um so my question is um

5849
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:29,199
what if we what would it take for us to

5850
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:31,199
abandon this lot because my concern here

5851
04:07:31,199 --> 04:07:36,000
is fire liability. Yeah.

5852
04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:38,319
>> U so I can provide a pretty high level

5853
04:07:38,319 --> 04:07:39,680
uh answer to that question. And I think

5854
04:07:39,680 --> 04:07:41,199
that's really a separate conversation,

5855
04:07:41,199 --> 04:07:47,120
but um uh jurisdictions can um sell or

5856
04:07:47,120 --> 04:07:49,760
abandon uh property, but there is

5857
04:07:49,760 --> 04:07:53,040
generally a process. Um the town needs

5858
04:07:53,040 --> 04:07:54,720
to be compliant with the surplus lands

5859
04:07:54,720 --> 04:07:56,399
act.

5860
04:07:56,399 --> 04:07:58,560
Um unless an exception applies and I'm

5861
04:07:58,560 --> 04:08:00,319
not we could do an analysis whether

5862
04:08:00,319 --> 04:08:01,439
there are any exceptions that would

5863
04:08:01,439 --> 04:08:03,920
apply here. If not, then there's a

5864
04:08:03,920 --> 04:08:06,080
process where um the town would need to

5865
04:08:06,080 --> 04:08:09,600
offer the parcel to a number of public

5866
04:08:09,600 --> 04:08:11,199
entities and affordable housing

5867
04:08:11,199 --> 04:08:13,120
developers before it can then go and

5868
04:08:13,120 --> 04:08:16,960
actually um sell the property.

5869
04:08:16,960 --> 04:08:20,080
Uh there may be other avenues um that we

5870
04:08:20,080 --> 04:08:21,359
need to research a little bit more what

5871
04:08:21,359 --> 04:08:23,680
kind of covenants I my understanding is

5872
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:26,080
there's some sort of open space easement

5873
04:08:26,080 --> 04:08:28,319
or very some sort of easement perhaps on

5874
04:08:28,319 --> 04:08:29,920
this property parcel and so we would

5875
04:08:29,920 --> 04:08:31,840
want to research that as well um to see

5876
04:08:31,840 --> 04:08:34,160
what kind of restrictions might apply

5877
04:08:34,160 --> 04:08:36,720
there but yeah surplus lands act would

5878
04:08:36,720 --> 04:08:37,920
guess be the biggest thing that we would

5879
04:08:37,920 --> 04:08:40,960
need to um address in terms of

5880
04:08:40,960 --> 04:08:41,199
uh

5881
04:08:41,199 --> 04:08:43,439
>> right and just so assume we went through

5882
04:08:43,439 --> 04:08:46,720
this process nobody wants to buy it. Um,

5883
04:08:46,720 --> 04:08:48,560
we put it up for sale, nobody wants to

5884
04:08:48,560 --> 04:08:50,640
buy it. Can I mean, I'm trying to

5885
04:08:50,640 --> 04:08:53,199
understand, can can you truly abandon it

5886
04:08:53,199 --> 04:08:56,000
given we're sort of the the public

5887
04:08:56,000 --> 04:08:58,399
entity that this land exists in? Because

5888
04:08:58,399 --> 04:09:00,399
it seems like this weird thing that we

5889
04:09:00,399 --> 04:09:04,960
have land, we're a property owner, but now we're getting restrictions put

5890
04:09:04,960 --> 04:09:07,120
on our property, not as a property

5891
04:09:07,120 --> 04:09:09,600
owner, but as the jurisdiction

5892
04:09:09,600 --> 04:09:11,680
underneath that owns all land that's not

5893
04:09:11,680 --> 04:09:14,399
covered otherwise. So, that was the

5894
04:09:14,399 --> 04:09:16,640
level I was trying to to get at in this

5895
04:09:16,640 --> 04:09:19,520
question is and and I'm I'm fine for us

5896
04:09:19,520 --> 04:09:21,199
to do more research. I don't think we

5897
04:09:21,199 --> 04:09:22,720
need to answer it all research there. I

5898
04:09:22,720 --> 04:09:23,680
mean, if it were a private property

5899
04:09:23,680 --> 04:09:25,040
owner, we would just stop paying taxes

5900
04:09:25,040 --> 04:09:26,560
and ultimately there would be some tax

5901
04:09:26,560 --> 04:09:27,600
sale and we would get rid of the

5902
04:09:27,600 --> 04:09:30,399
property that way, but um um I don't

5903
04:09:30,399 --> 04:09:32,000
believe we're taxed on this property and

5904
04:09:32,000 --> 04:09:33,600
so that would not be an avenue. So, we

5905
04:09:33,600 --> 04:09:34,960
would have to do some more research on

5906
04:09:34,960 --> 04:09:35,760
that question.

5907
04:09:35,760 --> 04:09:37,840
>> All right. Thank you. Can I actually ask

5908
04:09:37,840 --> 04:09:42,080
are we doing any fire mitigation in on

5909
04:09:42,080 --> 04:09:43,840
this property?

5910
04:09:43,840 --> 04:09:45,680
>> I'm checking with Woodside Fire, but

5911
04:09:45,680 --> 04:09:48,239
they didn't give me an answer.

5912
04:09:48,239 --> 04:09:50,800
But they are, as we recently reviewed,

5913
04:09:50,800 --> 04:09:53,199
they are responsible for fire mitigation

5914
04:09:53,199 --> 04:09:56,479
on town properties, town rightaways. But

5915
04:09:56,479 --> 04:09:58,319
they this

5916
04:09:58,319 --> 04:10:00,160
I have reviewed this property. I've

5917
04:10:00,160 --> 04:10:03,359
survey it survey surveyed it and it is

5918
04:10:03,359 --> 04:10:05,199
very thick. So I suspect they will

5919
04:10:05,199 --> 04:10:07,680
charge us an additional cost to clean

5920
04:10:07,680 --> 04:10:09,497
goats.

5921
04:10:09,497 --> 04:10:10,880
[laughter]

5922
04:10:10,880 --> 04:10:13,600
>> I don't I Yeah, it might be too thick

5923
04:10:13,600 --> 04:10:15,680
for goats.

5924
04:10:15,680 --> 04:10:17,359
>> Yeah, I guess my concern is that the

5925
04:10:17,359 --> 04:10:20,000
Woodside Fire is not the ones who are

5926
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:23,359
creating the um

5927
04:10:23,359 --> 04:10:26,960
the cleanup requirements. It's basically

5928
04:10:26,960 --> 04:10:29,040
this

5929
04:10:29,040 --> 04:10:29,920
unaffiliated [clears throat]

5930
04:10:29,920 --> 04:10:31,359
association, whatever the guys call

5931
04:10:31,359 --> 04:10:32,960
these guys, right? I mean, that's that's

5932
04:10:32,960 --> 04:10:35,279
my concern is that they are putting

5933
04:10:35,279 --> 04:10:37,680
restrictions on the town that that we

5934
04:10:37,680 --> 04:10:39,439
don't really have a say on on a piece of

5935
04:10:39,439 --> 04:10:41,840
property that's unbuildable. So, it has

5936
04:10:41,840 --> 04:10:44,160
no value to the town unless the open

5937
04:10:44,160 --> 04:10:45,840
space committee were to to come back and

5938
04:10:45,840 --> 04:10:47,680
say, "We think this is highly valuable

5939
04:10:47,680 --> 04:10:49,520
open space." But assuming that that's

5940
04:10:49,520 --> 04:10:53,199
not the case, then it's a pretty odd

5941
04:10:53,199 --> 04:10:54,640
situation. But we're starting to get

5942
04:10:54,640 --> 04:10:56,319
into discussion. You I think you

5943
04:10:56,319 --> 04:10:58,960
answered my question. Thank you.

5944
04:10:58,960 --> 04:11:01,760
Okay. So, there's nobody left in the

5945
04:11:01,760 --> 04:11:05,040
schoolhouse. So, let's get that. Um, and

5946
04:11:05,040 --> 04:11:08,080
there are two participants online. So,

5947
04:11:08,080 --> 04:11:12,080
I'm opening up public comments.

5948
04:11:12,080 --> 04:11:15,120
So, I don't see any hands up.

5949
04:11:15,120 --> 04:11:16,560
All right. So, I'm going to close public

5950
04:11:16,560 --> 04:11:18,160
comment

5951
04:11:18,160 --> 04:11:20,479
and bring it back to the council for

5952
04:11:20,479 --> 04:11:22,720
discussion. So I think the the issue

5953
04:11:22,720 --> 04:11:25,840
before us is

5954
04:11:25,840 --> 04:11:29,840
are do we want to authorize me as

5955
04:11:29,840 --> 04:11:32,319
somebody to vote and then are we

5956
04:11:32,319 --> 04:11:34,479
authorizing me to vote for it against it

5957
04:11:34,479 --> 04:11:36,960
or abstain?

5958
04:11:36,960 --> 04:11:39,600
>> I'd make a motion to abstain.

5959
04:11:39,600 --> 04:11:41,520
>> I'll second that. I don't think we

5960
04:11:41,520 --> 04:11:44,319
should I don't think we should weigh in

5961
04:11:44,319 --> 04:11:46,319
at this point.

5962
04:11:46,319 --> 04:11:50,399
>> Any discussion on the motion?

5963
04:11:50,399 --> 04:11:53,920
I I agree. I don't want to be on record

5964
04:11:53,920 --> 04:11:57,279
taking a position. We don't have enough

5965
04:11:57,279 --> 04:11:58,960
property there to make any difference to

5966
04:11:58,960 --> 04:12:01,040
the vote. So, I don't think we like if

5967
04:12:01,040 --> 04:12:03,760
we protest for whatever reason, I don't

5968
04:12:03,760 --> 04:12:07,120
even know what what I would say, but we

5969
04:12:07,120 --> 04:12:10,319
we'd be outnumbered. Um, and your point

5970
04:12:10,319 --> 04:12:13,199
about the liability and the costs that

5971
04:12:13,199 --> 04:12:16,640
we might incur, we we should look into

5972
04:12:16,640 --> 04:12:19,120
that in the future. It might be too much

5973
04:12:19,120 --> 04:12:21,520
of a burden for staff in the short run,

5974
04:12:21,520 --> 04:12:23,600
but those are valid points from my

5975
04:12:23,600 --> 04:12:26,160
perspective to be thinking about going

5976
04:12:26,160 --> 04:12:27,680
forward.

5977
04:12:27,680 --> 04:12:29,840
>> Okay. So, we have a motion. We have a

5978
04:12:29,840 --> 04:12:30,399
second.

5979
04:12:30,399 --> 04:12:33,600
>> But you asked if you're uh are we

5980
04:12:33,600 --> 04:12:36,160
letting you be the signatory on the

5981
04:12:36,160 --> 04:12:38,319
vote, which would be a vote to abstain.

5982
04:12:38,319 --> 04:12:39,920
Is that or what?

5983
04:12:39,920 --> 04:12:43,359
>> There there's only yes and no. We just

5984
04:12:43,359 --> 04:12:46,160
need if you take action to abstain, I'll

5985
04:12:46,160 --> 04:12:47,600
communicate back to them that we're not

5986
04:12:47,600 --> 04:12:48,080
voting.

5987
04:12:48,080 --> 04:12:50,720
>> So, no vote. Great. Perfect.

5988
04:12:50,720 --> 04:12:52,239
>> Okay. So, I have a motion. I have a

5989
04:12:52,239 --> 04:12:55,600
second. I think the discussion done. So,

5990
04:12:55,600 --> 04:12:59,439
all in favor of the motion, which is to

5991
04:12:59,439 --> 04:13:01,840
basically not vote.

5992
04:13:01,840 --> 04:13:03,439
>> I

5993
04:13:03,439 --> 04:13:06,000
>> All right. Great. Thank you. We get Mary

5994
04:13:06,000 --> 04:13:07,760
back and somebody go grab Mary and then

5995
04:13:07,760 --> 04:13:22,630
let's wrap this up.

5996
04:13:22,640 --> 04:13:22,800
a

5997
04:13:22,800 --> 04:13:26,790
>> leak.

5998
04:13:26,800 --> 04:13:28,560
» Who's that? Public works. We have a

5999
04:13:28,560 --> 04:13:34,790
public works volunteer.

6000
04:13:34,800 --> 04:13:37,600
» No, no, it's not about raining. It is.

6001
04:13:37,600 --> 04:13:45,830
There is a broken pipe out.

6002
04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:48,319
I mean, I think

6003
04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:50,479
>> it'll

6004
04:13:50,479 --> 04:13:52,479
get

6005
04:13:52,479 --> 04:13:54,000
>> Mary. Mary, sit down. We're been trying

6006
04:13:54,000 --> 04:14:01,349
to finish a council meeting. We got it.

6007
04:14:01,359 --> 04:14:02,560
» Yeah. No, I appreciate it. It's great.

6008
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:05,199
So, we got somebody on it. So, um All

6009
04:14:05,199 --> 04:14:07,520
right. So, Mary Mary's back from

6010
04:14:07,520 --> 04:14:09,920
recusing herself. So, we're moving on to

6011
04:14:09,920 --> 04:14:13,520
item nine, which is subcommittee leaison

6012
04:14:13,520 --> 04:14:15,920
and regional reports. Um, are there any

6013
04:14:15,920 --> 04:14:17,600
in addition to the ones that were listed

6014
04:14:17,600 --> 04:14:20,800
here, are there any oral reports?

6015
04:14:20,800 --> 04:14:21,359
>> Yeah.

6016
04:14:21,359 --> 04:14:23,120
>> Okay, Judith.

6017
04:14:23,120 --> 04:14:26,800
>> So, I went to the Abag meeting in San

6018
04:14:26,800 --> 04:14:30,800
Francisco. Lovely offices. Um,

6019
04:14:30,800 --> 04:14:32,720
the cycle

6020
04:14:32,720 --> 04:14:36,960
is starting next year. They are. Um, I

6021
04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:39,680
will be posting a more detailed report

6022
04:14:39,680 --> 04:14:42,080
for the next meeting in writing which

6023
04:14:42,080 --> 04:14:45,040
will in turn include some excerpts of

6024
04:14:45,040 --> 04:14:48,000
the PowerPoint that they presented and

6025
04:14:48,000 --> 04:14:49,680
links

6026
04:14:49,680 --> 04:14:52,080
um because it's a it's pretty dense

6027
04:14:52,080 --> 04:14:55,120
material and um people ought to take

6028
04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:56,560
time to absorb it

6029
04:14:56,560 --> 04:14:58,239
>> and and just to clarify this is the

6030
04:14:58,239 --> 04:14:59,359
Reena cycle that started

6031
04:14:59,359 --> 04:15:03,279
>> the Rena cycle starts in 2027.

6032
04:15:03,279 --> 04:15:06,640
Um there will be changes the some of the

6033
04:15:06,640 --> 04:15:09,199
very high level I'm not prepared to get

6034
04:15:09,199 --> 04:15:13,680
into it but um there there are going to

6035
04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:17,120
be including these new extremely low

6036
04:15:17,120 --> 04:15:19,520
income levels and there's going to be

6037
04:15:19,520 --> 04:15:23,040
more levels that are required.

6038
04:15:23,040 --> 04:15:26,880
They will in most likelihood

6039
04:15:26,880 --> 04:15:30,319
numbers per jurisdiction will go up. Now

6040
04:15:30,319 --> 04:15:32,399
they didn't say four-fold like last time

6041
04:15:32,399 --> 04:15:36,000
but they will go up. Um

6042
04:15:36,000 --> 04:15:41,279
there is a new uh statutory um ability

6043
04:15:41,279 --> 04:15:44,960
or requirement to consider wildfire and

6044
04:15:44,960 --> 04:15:46,800
certain other like there's a laundry

6045
04:15:46,800 --> 04:15:49,680
list of considerations that can go

6046
04:15:49,680 --> 04:15:52,720
toward you know the sighting but it

6047
04:15:52,720 --> 04:15:54,880
doesn't really give you relief from the

6048
04:15:54,880 --> 04:15:57,520
numbers. So, we all got to look at that,

6049
04:15:57,520 --> 04:16:02,000
think about what what exactly will do

6050
04:16:02,000 --> 04:16:04,720
those changes permit or not permit

6051
04:16:04,720 --> 04:16:06,880
because it sounds great on the one hand

6052
04:16:06,880 --> 04:16:11,040
they encoded what people have been

6053
04:16:11,040 --> 04:16:13,600
already referencing as wildfire risks,

6054
04:16:13,600 --> 04:16:16,640
but I'm not sure how legally it's

6055
04:16:16,640 --> 04:16:18,720
operational. So, we we all ought to look

6056
04:16:18,720 --> 04:16:24,560
at that. Um they are trying to get the

6057
04:16:24,560 --> 04:16:27,040
number allocations

6058
04:16:27,040 --> 04:16:29,439
reported out earlier because I guess one

6059
04:16:29,439 --> 04:16:33,439
of the last cycle challenges was people

6060
04:16:33,439 --> 04:16:35,279
didn't know what their final number was

6061
04:16:35,279 --> 04:16:37,600
before they already had to be like

6062
04:16:37,600 --> 04:16:39,840
producing quite a lot of work product.

6063
04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:42,159
So they're trying to get that number out

6064
04:16:42,159 --> 04:16:44,560
earlier. Whether they're successful or

6065
04:16:44,560 --> 04:16:48,080
not, I don't know. It did seem like

6066
04:16:48,080 --> 04:16:51,760
people in the audience really were

6067
04:16:51,760 --> 04:16:53,520
asking questions having learned what

6068
04:16:53,520 --> 04:16:57,760
this cycle was like to manage. And you

6069
04:16:57,760 --> 04:17:00,640
know, I do think there's been a learning

6070
04:17:00,640 --> 04:17:02,239
curve that will hopefully be

6071
04:17:02,239 --> 04:17:06,239
incorporated into um the process for for

6072
04:17:06,239 --> 04:17:10,800
this cycle. Um but I do, you know, I

6073
04:17:10,800 --> 04:17:13,359
don't want people to get

6074
04:17:13,359 --> 04:17:15,520
worked up yet. This is more of a notice

6075
04:17:15,520 --> 04:17:18,880
to check out the reports and keep um

6076
04:17:18,880 --> 04:17:23,760
current on the timelines for sure and

6077
04:17:23,760 --> 04:17:26,159
the inflection points where data is

6078
04:17:26,159 --> 04:17:29,840
going to be coming out and and we can

6079
04:17:29,840 --> 04:17:32,399
make our case um with the different

6080
04:17:32,399 --> 04:17:36,000
juris um bodies that weigh in on the the

6081
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:38,560
allocation. So, we really ought to be

6082
04:17:38,560 --> 04:17:40,720
vigilant early in the cycle is my main

6083
04:17:40,720 --> 04:17:43,120
point. And that means getting getting

6084
04:17:43,120 --> 04:17:45,760
our bearings on it over the next year so

6085
04:17:45,760 --> 04:17:48,880
we're ready when it starts to to execute

6086
04:17:48,880 --> 04:17:51,920
because if you just sit by and observe,

6087
04:17:51,920 --> 04:17:53,520
my impression is going to be you're

6088
04:17:53,520 --> 04:17:55,439
going to it it's going to be a very

6089
04:17:55,439 --> 04:17:57,359
reactive process

6090
04:17:57,359 --> 04:17:59,840
>> and there might be a window to get more

6091
04:17:59,840 --> 04:18:02,000
a little bit more proactive or at least

6092
04:18:02,000 --> 04:18:04,880
understand these changes earlier rather

6093
04:18:04,880 --> 04:18:07,680
than later. So, I'll I'll submit that

6094
04:18:07,680 --> 04:18:09,920
separately. It was just too detailed to

6095
04:18:09,920 --> 04:18:11,600
do it for this meeting.

6096
04:18:11,600 --> 04:18:13,359
>> Well, thank you. We'll look forward look

6097
04:18:13,359 --> 04:18:15,279
forward to your update.

6098
04:18:15,279 --> 04:18:16,960
>> Any other oral?

6099
04:18:16,960 --> 04:18:17,600
>> Yeah.

6100
04:18:17,600 --> 04:18:18,399
>> Okay.

6101
04:18:18,399 --> 04:18:21,600
>> Couple things. Um

6102
04:18:21,600 --> 04:18:25,840
uh Westbase Sanitary District um has

6103
04:18:25,840 --> 04:18:27,439
their meet had their meeting tonight

6104
04:18:27,439 --> 04:18:33,199
concurrently. They uh there um they had

6105
04:18:33,199 --> 04:18:35,600
repealed the five-year retroactive

6106
04:18:35,600 --> 04:18:37,840
billing to three years of retroactive

6107
04:18:37,840 --> 04:18:40,399
billing. Um

6108
04:18:40,399 --> 04:18:42,640
uh my boss

6109
04:18:42,640 --> 04:18:46,239
uh Josh Becker and Diane Papen now

6110
04:18:46,239 --> 04:18:50,800
submitted a letter of concern. Um, and

6111
04:18:50,800 --> 04:18:53,040
there is a threat of a class action

6112
04:18:53,040 --> 04:18:55,840
lawsuit to deal with these retroactive

6113
04:18:55,840 --> 04:18:59,439
billing situations with the ADUs um,

6114
04:18:59,439 --> 04:19:03,680
from a man who lives in Athetherton. Um,

6115
04:19:03,680 --> 04:19:06,080
so I don't So I'll try to keep you guys

6116
04:19:06,080 --> 04:19:09,040
updated on that. um letting you know how

6117
04:19:09,040 --> 04:19:12,319
the Howard Jarvis um ballot measure um

6118
04:19:12,319 --> 04:19:15,120
has not so there is uh a piece of

6119
04:19:15,120 --> 04:19:18,080
legislation I think it's 763 that was

6120
04:19:18,080 --> 04:19:21,840
proposed that would cap um transfer

6121
04:19:21,840 --> 04:19:24,880
taxes at 1.5%

6122
04:19:24,880 --> 04:19:28,239
um LA is I think it's I can't remember

6123
04:19:28,239 --> 04:19:31,199
it's bigger than that um so the Howard

6124
04:19:31,199 --> 04:19:32,800
Jarvis they were hoping that Howard

6125
04:19:32,800 --> 04:19:35,760
Jarvis would pull their ballot measure

6126
04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:39,520
off of um the ballot they Howard Jarvis

6127
04:19:39,520 --> 04:19:43,040
has until tomorrow to pull it off at

6128
04:19:43,040 --> 04:19:45,279
this point. They have not pulled it off.

6129
04:19:45,279 --> 04:19:48,080
The real litters also are now up in arms

6130
04:19:48,080 --> 04:19:50,000
about transfer taxes and they're coming

6131
04:19:50,000 --> 04:19:52,640
after the situation. So, um letting you

6132
04:19:52,640 --> 04:19:55,920
guys know about that. Um ebikes, there

6133
04:19:55,920 --> 04:20:00,319
are still nine um uh nine pieces of

6134
04:20:00,319 --> 04:20:03,040
ebike legislation floating around. Um

6135
04:20:03,040 --> 04:20:05,199
and we'll see what ends up. Um, if you

6136
04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:06,800
want a matrix, I can send you a really

6137
04:20:06,800 --> 04:20:10,319
good matrix. But definitely lots of uh

6138
04:20:10,319 --> 04:20:14,239
concern over ebikes. Um, commute.org.

6139
04:20:14,239 --> 04:20:17,680
Um, the it's such a great little um

6140
04:20:17,680 --> 04:20:20,239
board and organization up there um that

6141
04:20:20,239 --> 04:20:22,720
no one knows about. So, I'm talking um

6142
04:20:22,720 --> 04:20:25,040
an office of sustainability for the San

6143
04:20:25,040 --> 04:20:28,000
Monteo County is now looking at working

6144
04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:31,680
with um uh they just hired a

6145
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:34,479
transportation program manager to and so

6146
04:20:34,479 --> 04:20:36,479
they're talk, you know, they're looking

6147
04:20:36,479 --> 04:20:38,720
at transportation in San Monteo County

6148
04:20:38,720 --> 04:20:41,760
to try to manage and make it uh and

6149
04:20:41,760 --> 04:20:43,439
reduce greenhouse gases for

6150
04:20:43,439 --> 04:20:46,560
transportation. So, those are my report

6151
04:20:46,560 --> 04:20:47,199
outs.

6152
04:20:47,199 --> 04:20:49,920
>> Thank you. All right, I'll open up um

6153
04:20:49,920 --> 04:20:51,680
agenda item number nine to public

6154
04:20:51,680 --> 04:20:54,159
comment.

6155
04:20:54,159 --> 04:20:56,720
Don't see anybody in the room. I don't

6156
04:20:56,720 --> 04:20:59,840
see any hands online. So, I will close

6157
04:20:59,840 --> 04:21:02,720
public comment for agenda item number

6158
04:21:02,720 --> 04:21:05,600
nine and adjourn the meeting. Thank you

6159
04:21:05,600 --> 04:21:08,800
everyone. Good night.

6160
04:21:08,800 --> 04:21:11,040
She's done.