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All right, good evening everyone. I'd

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like to call this meeting to order.

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So, we don't have any remote, so we can

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just do this roll call orally. Okay,

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Veronica, roll call, please.

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» Council member Husco here.

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>> Council member Flynn,

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>> present.

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>> Vice Mayor Hufty

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>> here.

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>> Mayor Taylor,

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>> present.

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>> We have a quorum.

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>> Thank you.

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All right. So, for tonight, um, we won't

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do the sort of general oral

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communications on things not on the

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agenda until we get to the regular

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meeting. So, the first item on the

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special meeting is the closed session.

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So, I'll open that if there are any

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public comments on the closed session

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item. Now is your time to speak.

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So, anybody? No. Anybody online?

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» Veronica.

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>> Okay, great. All right. So Ben, I'd like

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to close the session. So

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this is your opportunity and then we'll

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come call you guys and and hopefully

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it'll be pretty quick. I would hope 15

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minutes or so, but um but but we'll come flag you down.

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» Okay. We're gonna we're going to call

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the council meeting back in session. Oh,

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Katherine, do you want to report on the

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close session?

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Uh thank you mayor. Yes, the council met

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in close session just before um this

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item to discuss uh the litigation county

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of Sonteo at all versus state of

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California. Uh the town and all of the

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cities and town towns in uh the Sanonteo

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County are parties to this litigation

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which is challenging the state of

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California regarding the what's known as

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the BLF shortfall. Uh, I have nothing to

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report out of close session. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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All right, let's move on to 5A.

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Do does the subcommittee want to present

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anything before I open it up to public

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>> Yeah, just a brief summary.

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>> Then you're up.

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>> Okay. Well, just to re refresh folks,

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um, our subcommittee was formed with a

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pretty direct task of identifying

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outside council other than our town

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attorney to advise us in connection with

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the Hawthorne's uh, property in town.

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council available should

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we have a need to confer and understand

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the town's rights with respect to MRSD's

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plans for the lowerbound project and

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historic complex. That's when the

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decision to

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uh seek alternate counsel was made. Um,

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we are, uh, we're happy to report out

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that we identified Bill Seligman, who is

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a veteran attorney. I think he's the

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town attorney for Campbell at this

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point, but also has a private practice,

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and he's very experienced in these these

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types of issues. So, we made the

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recommendation that we select Mr.

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Seligman as alternate counsel for this

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uh set of issues for the town where our

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current town attorney is conflicted out.

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So that's the setting here. Um I'll turn

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>> Great. Thank you, Judith. Um any

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clarifying questions for Judith before I

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open it to public comment?

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>> Uh yes. Um there's a budget associated

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with him. No more than $10,000 for is

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that for this fiscal year or or does

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that include some of the costs that

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>> Well, right now it's just to get him

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started with getting his bearings um to

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look at relevant documents that are

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has to come back and we have to

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>> Do you know how much has been spent to

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services to date.

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hang on. I might have jumped ahead.

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>> Yeah. Okay, never mind. my questions the

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I'll open it. Is there any public

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comment? So I see none in the

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» Linda Brothers, uh, a resident of the

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ranch. Um, I just wondered to what

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extent you've authorized this to bring

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any action or undertake any work. You've

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just chosen him. Is that correct?

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there's an agreement in place with a not

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to exceed number, but that's to get

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started. There's no decision or input

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specifically as to the next matter and

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with all due respect, why Katherine, who

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has an ethical barrier, is here.

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frankly, it's a cost issue. We didn't

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want him to spin his wheels essentially

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imagine that as time goes forward and if

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we approve additional amounts that that would be an appropriate

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question. is something that um I've

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considered uh in terms of you know legal

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advice that wouldn't generally be given

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confidential nature of it. So that would

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be another reason to not have Mr.

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Seligman here but ultimately that would

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be a council decision. Um, in terms of

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indicated in the staff materials and

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when my firm was hired, um, my firm does

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represent a pen, um, as well as post on

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a variety of matters. And so that is did

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create the the conflict uh, for this

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situation. Um, I did give some

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consideration whether I mean this was a

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carryover item from a from a prior

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meeting. Uh, my personal opinion is this

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is a procedural item um, as opposed to a

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substantive one. And so for that reason,

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make on the next matter and that

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next one isn't about legal matters. It's

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what we think a subcommittee should

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whether that should include legal

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matters but I'll wait till the next

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don't see any hands online. All right.

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Bring it back to the council. There any

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more comments for the sub committee?

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is this you? Great. Thank you.

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council ad hoc subcommittee to research

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options to work directly with the Mid

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Peninsula Regional Open Space District

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regarding the Hawthorne's property. And

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I'm Darcy Smith, your town manager. This

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is just a brief presentation, a simple

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background on the Hawthorne's property.

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It's a 79 acre site in the Pulla Valley

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town limits. It was gifted from post to

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midpen in 2011.

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submitted yet. So the town has not been

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formally engaged at this point. Um the

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town has been informed through

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conversations with the midpen staff and

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action by the midpen board directors

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that the SQA environmental review is

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anticipated to start this year. And the

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town is a SQA responsible agency. Again,

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um, also important to note the planning

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public access planning process led by

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was a public access working group that

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met in 23 24 and the last time the

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council had a session with MIDI pen was

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um October 2024.

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update on ad hoc subcommittees and what

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they're allowed to do under state law.

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include council members only. It can't

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the town council. There's no authority

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and no action of the subcommittee could

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bind the town. And the subcommittee must

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have a specific finite assignment of

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work. And for this rough estimate,

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assign to the subcommittee, I would

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estimate is about a two or three month

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duration where the subcommittee would

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work and then return to the council with

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a presentation similar to the one we

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just had by the other subcommittee. Um,

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and important to note that that

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subcommittee dissolves after that point.

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no formal action is required to dissolve

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it, but essentially like what you saw on

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the previous item, that subcommittee

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doesn't exist anymore. They're not going

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to do any more work. Uh so some options

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that were developed and in is in the

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staff report. So this is not any new

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information. Um, but some options

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the council agenda from a council

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request is there's some options to for

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the subcommittee. But I want to

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subcommittee would be doing. These are

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just options that the subcommittee would

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be studying more or analyzing and

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they're and then come back and advise

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the council as to which options these

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options may be other options that the

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council would want to um direct any

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examine and then they would report back.

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which is important consistent with the

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Brown Act. They're advisory in nature.

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They study these. come back and report

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again, that would likely be August or

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September. Um, so that the the things

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that I've heard in the community that

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might rise to the level of the

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subcommittee examining to whether they

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would want to move that forward. Again,

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separate action by the council would be

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community communications, potentially

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working with the midpen board at joint

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meetings or forming what is considered a

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Brown Act joint subcommittee. Important

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to note, it would not be this

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subcommittee. there' be a separate

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subcommittee writing a formal comment

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letter to Mid Pen, which again we have

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not done at this point because the

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comment letter would need to come before

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the council for a vote. So, we've had

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this body has had no formal

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correspondence with midpen staff or the

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board. Um, and there's some other

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options here, including working with

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Council Bill Seligman to study potential

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legal options.

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So, the council's consideration tonight

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is fairly simple. I would suggest you

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take this in two pieces. First, does a

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council want to appoint tonight

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a town council ad hoc subcommittee to

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research the options to work directly

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with midpen regarding the Hawthorne's

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property? And then if yes, what specific

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finite assignment or assignments should

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the subcommittee work on? And it's just

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really important that those are defined

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tonight so that we leave this meeting

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with a record of what the subcommittee

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is doing. Um and then you can the

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subcommittee would return back and again

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that estimate is two to three months. So

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August or September

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and that concludes my staff report.

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Happy to answer any questions.

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>> Thank you Darcy. Clarifying questions.

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» So just timeline I'm picking up figure

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one out of your submission. Um and it's

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pretty complicated. Um develop. So, I'm

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looking at where we are on this. It's 26

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27 and 27 plus. Uh, this is

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uh

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well, it's in the staff report, the the packet, and I'm wondering what the

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next step on that timeline practically

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is for the Hawthorne's MRSD. Is it SQA?

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like like how far out are we from them

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doing taking some action?

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>> Well, so there is a board meeting

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tonight where they would be approving a

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SQA scope of work and contract and

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budget. SQUA is slow.

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So I think when I last looked at their

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schedule, they were going to be working

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on the project description neck. Um, and

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that could be done later this year into

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next year.

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>> Mhm.

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>> And the the next milestone in the SQL

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process is that they send an official

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letter out. It's called a notice of

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preparation, official notice, and the

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town again as a responsible agency would

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get that notice and be able to comment

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on it. But my best guess right now is

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that would come later in the fall,

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>> assuming they approved tonight.

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>> Yeah, assuming they approved.

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>> Several many months away. several months

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away.

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>> Yes. Yes.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Another ignorant question. When does it

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do they submit for a cup? What is And

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>> well, I'll just say we do not know

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exactly what they're submitting for. So,

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just to correct you, it could be of a

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cop, it could be something else. We do

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not know at this time. The notice of

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preparation does list anticipated

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entitlements or discretionary approvals

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that they may seek again from other

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agencies or they may have to give

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themselves. Um, and that's a preliminary

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list. It would be refined through the

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SQL process, but we have no timeline of

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that. Again, my best educated guess is

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it's after SQA and SQA could probably

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take 12 or 18 months. So, it could be

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late 2027 or even 2028. But I just want

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to caution, we have not received any

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formal correspondence or statements from

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Midpen as to what they will be

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submitting or when. Can I just follow up

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because I think I have a slightly

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different angle on the same question

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which is we as a town

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have not yet been advised because we've

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only just appointed the town attorney

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for this set of issues um or the the

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interim whatever we want to call them.

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Uh Bill Sullivan has not had a chance to

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advise the council right now. So, you

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know, there's what MOSD thinks it needs

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and we have not yet come to a conclusion

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on what we need because we haven't had

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that advice um or a chance to explore

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that with our

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>> That's correct. That's well described.

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Yes.

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>> Thank you.

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» I I wanted to just clarify a little bit

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about Bill Sutherland not having

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provided us any advice. I got a report

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by email,

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a whole summary description. Is that not

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the background?

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>> If you're questioning my phrasing, my

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phrasing came about because

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a one-way transmission without an

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ability to engage and discuss isn't

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advice. It's a one-way transmission that

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needs followup. That's that's where my

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phrasing came from. I don't know if

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Darcy had different phrasing.

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>> Well, I'll just clarify for the council

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and public that there's not been a

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public

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distribution of information from Bill

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Seligman at this point. Nothing's been

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provided publicly.

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» Could I get further clarification on

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what the decision is we're making here?

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Um, if we decide to move ahead and

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appoint the subcommittee, that's yes or

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no. And then the finite assignment. Um,

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you gave us a list of things that the

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subcommittee is supposed to decide

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whether or not

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we that the subcommittee will work on

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these items. I'm just unclear on whether

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they're actually going to be working,

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for example, to draft a formal comment

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letter or is that something that I don't

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know the subcommittee is going to make a

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decision about whether that's important

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to do and then the staff would and

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attorney would then draft that formal

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comment letter. I'm just a little clear

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on unclear on how much

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>> it's the latter

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>> subcommittee will be doing. It's the

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latter that we're expecting the

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subcommittee to come back and say

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potentially we think that the council

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should draft a letter, but they're not

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going to draft that letter or submit

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that letter

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because the the idea is that they're

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going to come back at least that's this

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is my understanding is the subcommittee

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is going to come back and say, you know,

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here are our options for looking at this

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project and we the subcommittee

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recommend and to the council the

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following things that we think are

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probably the right path and then the

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council need to decide what path we want

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to take as a full council.

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>> But at this point, do we really need to

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give any additional feedback than these

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six items saying, you know, you should

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look at all these six items and decide

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if it's something to move forward with

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or should we be saying, oh, all right, now I think you should work on the

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form that you should maybe focus more on

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this comment letter. That's what I'm a

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little unclear of.

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>> Well, that's the discussion.

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>> I mean, I mean, I have some things to

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add to this list, for instance, that

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aren't on here.

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>> So,

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>> sort of to create a big list for them

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then to take away and decide whether to

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move forward with.

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>> Sure. Big is a relative term here, but

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yes.

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Anything on your side? Clarifying

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questions. We're not in discussion.

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>> Yeah, I have clarifying questions. No

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worries. Um

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so first of all does um does anyone know

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if Midpen wants to work with our

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subcommittee potential subcommittee?

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>> Uh

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clarifying question uh that is open is

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that has not been responded to as yet.

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>> So Midpen has not responded.

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>> Wait I I don't think the council's

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authorizing the sub committee to meet

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with Midpen. Right. But even even

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>> we could have that discussion.

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>> Well, it does say

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>> joint council and midpend board

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meetings, communic community

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communications like like and so I just

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want to clarify that this would only be

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a subcommittee from the portal of and

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not to talk to midpen or to talk to

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midpen.

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>> Well, I think like let's take number two

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just I can easily phrase it. They're not

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going to draft the letter. They're going

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to recommend that we draft a letter.

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They're not going to have joint planning

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meetings. They're going to recommend

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that we should have joint planning

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meetings.

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>> Okay.

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So, there there's no interaction

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between the subcommittee and midpen.

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It's they're going to go through and say

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here's what we think might be the right

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approach and then the council needs to

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decide how much we want to interact with

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midpen etc. Does that help?

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>> Yep, that does. So, um C, uh and could

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we I recognize that right now could the

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sub I mean right now we have

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extraordinarily limited staff

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so we don't have the staff to or the

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money to do this but in case in case

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there is money down the road um could we

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add for the subcommittee to potentially

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look at a parking management opportunity

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as Well, that because uh by having

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parking a parking management plan, it's

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a chess move

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which then you can point to Midpen and say

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this your parking plan doesn't match the

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town's parking plan and that's a

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problem. Could we potentially add

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another one?

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>> Yeah. So I think when we get to

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discussion that would be an example of

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something that we could add to the list

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that the subcommittee could

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>> Great. Okay, those are my questions.

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Thank you.

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>> Any other clarifiers?

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>> Is it possible to discuss the two

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questions together? Um because for me I

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don't know if I need a subcommittee

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until I've figured out

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whether any of those are, you know,

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something we should be engaging in at

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this moment. So I I I don't want to go

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sequentially myself, but if that's the

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way you need us to structure this, we

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can.

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>> No, you can you can have an alternative

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approach.

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>> Yes. Okay. Thank you.

547
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,000
>> All right. Any more clarifying questions

548
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,480
before I open it to public comment? All

549
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,200
right. So with that, um I'm going to

550
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,159
open up 5B to public comment. Who would

551
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:43,280
like to speak in the

552
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,320
What's up, man? Uh what's up is uh

553
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,799
I'm not comfortable with having a

554
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,320
conflicted council in in to issue public

555
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,840
comment on this because uh because if I

556
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,159
understand the concept of conflicted uh

557
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:05,760
council it means that uh we're not

558
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,559
speaking in we we are speaking directly

559
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,760
to to uh to MRSD and

560
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,600
through through council.

561
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,799
>> May May I

562
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:17,440
>> Yeah, please

563
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,640
>> have a comment. This is recorded. It's

564
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,520
public. There's no point in

565
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,679
>> I mean she can go look at it. Her her

566
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:27,520
colleagues who are working on it, I know

567
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,159
Katherine isn't can look at it. I mean

568
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,640
there there is body language. So I I

569
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,600
defer to you Mary, but do think about

570
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:35,919
>> Yeah,

571
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:37,600
>> I will go with wherever you want to go

572
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,080
on this.

573
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,960
>> Okay. So you're

574
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600
>> I I just noticed that it has a sort of a

575
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,600
queasy it has a little bit funny

576
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,320
feeling.

577
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,120
>> Okay. Well, I I doubt Katherine has a

578
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,240
strong view,

579
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:48,799
>> right?

580
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,480
>> Certainly don't. And I'm I'm happy to

581
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,400
step out for the conversation.

582
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,080
>> And I think my sense is we're we're not

583
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240
going to ask Katherine for advice, but I

584
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,480
don't mind her sitting here personally.

585
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,400
>> I don't either. It depends on whether

586
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,360
she's on,

587
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:04,880
>> but it's going to be a on the public

588
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,400
record. There's no confidence here. I

589
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,720
mean it's a recorded anybody in the

590
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,240
world can see this so there's no

591
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,559
confidence here. I mean at least as I

592
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,120
understand the question. So um this is

593
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,880
in close session. So um anyway I I don't

594
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,880
have a strong feeling

595
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,960
one way or another. I mean what's the

596
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,480
>> Katherine? Do you do you feel strongly?

597
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,120
>> I I don't but I think um I'm a big pro

598
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,600
I'm a big uh believer in optics and so I think it's best for me to step out and

599
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,360
you just come find me. Yeah. We're ready

600
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:33,919
to move on.

601
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:37,510
>> Thank you.

602
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,000
All right, with that I open up public

603
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,830
comment. Who would like to speak?

604
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,159
You can wait until she's fully out the

605
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:49,200
door if you want.

606
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,120
>> Okay, cool. Cool. Thank you, Catherine.

607
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,520
Um, I'm very glad that we have reached

608
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,120
this point. I have been patiently

609
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,919
waiting for today and it's finally here.

610
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:03,440
So, congratulations on getting this far

611
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,039
uh around. I have uh two perspectives to

612
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,919
offer. Um one is about the composition

613
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:12,799
of the subcommittee. Several years ago,

614
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:17,039
the finance committee um met and they

615
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,760
appointed a single member subcommittee

616
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,000
which at the time struck me as quite odd

617
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000
and unusual but proved its effectiveness

618
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,679
um and merit. And that idea um occurred

619
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:32,880
to me this week as I was looking at your

620
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,080
agenda. Um remembering that Nidpen has

621
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,679
thus far rebuffed all of our overures.

622
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:43,520
Um that we are and we and that we are in

623
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,440
very early days with our attorney. Um, I

624
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400
want to point out that in Judith Hesco,

625
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,679
we have someone who speaks his language,

626
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:55,600
thinks deductively

627
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,159
while keeping the strategic in mind,

628
00:25:58,159 --> 00:26:01,279
keeps focused, keeps her eye focused on

629
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,000
the clock, which will translate to a

630
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,919
concern I've heard a couple of times

631
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:08,880
tonight about cost management. So I

632
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,960
think that for the at least this first

633
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,919
step forward given we had six options up

634
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,559
there and were I one of you I wouldn't

635
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,640
have I wouldn't be able to deal with the

636
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,120
matrix of options because I don't have

637
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,840
the grounding information that you need

638
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,000
and so what if we took the best next

639
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,400
step forward with a single person I

640
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,039
think it would be highly efficient and

641
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,200
then come back to the council and decide

642
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,080
whether a supplementary member to that

643
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,960
uh subcommittee is valuable. or whether

644
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,360
it's it's equally valuable to turn it

645
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,720
over to the five of you. At least to me,

646
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,039
that would be very grounding and I would

647
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,640
like to see you um

648
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,320
get the information that you need to

649
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,640
make that decision going forward.

650
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,360
separately. Um I before leaving the

651
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,120
podium, I just want to call out a letter

652
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,480
that you all received this afternoon um

653
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320
that I got wind of this afternoon and

654
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,760
that that uh was posted by Nuna Cherello

655
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,240
with help from the town staff of course

656
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,279
and I thought it was really a turning

657
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,240
point in the conversation. Um and I

658
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,000
really look forward to talking

659
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
strategically with you when that's

660
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,640
what's on the agenda. uh because I was

661
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,200
very enthused and I I hope you to were

662
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,919
too for the pivot point that that that

663
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:30,640
letter represents. Um so for those

664
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,320
people in the audience that haven't had

665
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,279
a chance to see it yet, um take time to

666
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,039
read. Okay. Thanks so much.

667
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,120
>> Thank you. And and it is in the public

668
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,720
record.

669
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:50,230
Anybody else in the schoolhouse?

670
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,950
Uh, Linda, Linda Brothers. Um,

671
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,039
it's a little difficult to know where to

672
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,000
start here. As someone who practiced law

673
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,559
in this area, I've done over dozens of

674
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,840
projects that involved land litigation

675
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,200
and public groups. I was part of a group

676
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,279
that kept United Airlines flying. and I

677
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,960
was part of the group that got uh New

678
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Orleans back in action after the after

679
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,120
the Katrina. These are complicated

680
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,000
issues, but I took one look at this

681
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,080
after talking to some people about it,

682
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320
and there's a very clear legal approach

683
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,640
that you could take right now that runs

684
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,880
a significant chance of stopping this in

685
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,240
the water. Uh, and uh, I don't really

686
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,799
want to get into the technical details.

687
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,240
I'm more comfortable with Katherine

688
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,120
being absent, but uh because part of it

689
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,919
involves a little bit of legal work. It

690
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,320
should fit under the $10,000 that I

691
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,240
think you guys have allowed. And it

692
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,279
involves a a legal standard uh that

693
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,440
involves an element of surprise. I don't

694
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,200
want to go into it more, but it's a

695
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,120
no-brainer. It's like the first thing

696
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320
that came to my mind. So, number one,

697
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640
you know, I think that you're missing a

698
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200
huge opportunity by not getting on it

699
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,240
right away. It's the kind of thing that

700
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200
should cause midpin if they're well

701
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,080
advised to stop or slow down on this

702
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,159
project. Which brings me to your agenda

703
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,880
item. Uh

704
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,200
I think it's uh uh a big mistake to

705
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440
continue to study and study and study

706
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,039
this document. First of all, since you

707
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:30,960
are contemplating litigation because you

708
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,799
have hired a lawyer, all these things

709
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,559
that you say start to develop an

710
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,200
administrative record that will be used

711
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,520
and everything that you say that you're

712
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880
not well advised on that sounds really

713
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,520
good for one reason or another may be

714
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,679
the very thing that turns a lawsuit

715
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:50,159
against you. It may just be in the small

716
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,480
print in those documents. You know, we

717
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
read thousands of pages a day, lawyers,

718
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,559
and we see all those small print and and

719
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,240
you know, I wouldn't presume to be a

720
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,240
cardiac surgeon, Mary, but you know,

721
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,840
it's it's really important. So, I think

722
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760
I'm not I would not be in favor of a

723
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840
more steady groups. I would be in favor

724
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,559
of some really serious consideration of

725
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,559
what your legal arsons are. The thing

726
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:16,480
that I understand and know would work uh

727
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,320
would happen very quickly, have to

728
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,520
happen very quickly or you're going to

729
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,919
lose the window. Um, I agree with

730
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:24,799
Betsy's comment. Midpin has been here.

731
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,399
They came to the planning commission.

732
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,320
They came to the council. They didn't

733
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,559
respond to any of our comments. They

734
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,480
didn't respond in the moment. They

735
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,960
didn't respond any other way. And I were

736
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,559
I went to many of those working groups

737
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,000
that they had because it's right in my

738
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,840
neighborhood and they really didn't

739
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,760
respond to those. So, I think uh the the

740
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,679
final reason in all the work I always

741
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:48,000
did, we almost always had a a local

742
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,720
entity involved. Uh sometimes they were

743
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
on our side, sometimes they weren't.

744
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600
Sometimes they were giving permits. Uh

745
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,159
we would laugh at ourselves.

746
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:59,919
We would laugh when we were in the room

747
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:01,600
and the people on the other side were

748
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,799
two elected members of a body because as

749
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,720
much as you all love each other at some

750
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,200
level.

751
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
>> So Linda, I'd like to ask you to wrap it

752
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,440
up.

753
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,960
>> I'd like to finish my sentence if I

754
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,200
could. you all will bring different

755
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520
things to the table and a well-advised

756
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760
party on the other side is going to that

757
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,279
and they're going to splat splitting you

758
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,279
apart and that's not in the town's best

759
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,039
interest. Thank you for your attention.

760
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,840
>> Thank you.

761
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,669
>> Please.

762
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:35,919
» Hi, I'm Lana Norris. I live in Porta

763
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,240
Valley Ranch. Um,

764
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
>> I was really really pleased to see that

765
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,279
uh we've hired an attorney. I have felt

766
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,840
for a long time that it's the legal

767
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,159
arena where things are going to get

768
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:51,279
resolved and hopefully favorably to the

769
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:56,799
town. I have for a long time been very very concerned about Midpan totally

770
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,480
ignoring our town's values, its culture,

771
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,399
uh its its concerns. Uh, and I'm going

772
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,240
to give a little bit about my experience

773
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,240
over the last couple of years that has

774
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,399
led me to believe that Midpen's goal is

775
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,320
access, access access, access access for

776
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,919
the public and not carrying one wit

777
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:21,200
about our community. They're they are

778
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200
planning overdevelopment.

779
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,039
The parking lot is probably exhibit one

780
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,200
of the overdevelopment.

781
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,919
I have no experience with SQA. I have no

782
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:34,480
experience with land use. I have no

783
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,399
experience with any of that. I do have

784
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:39,440
an experience, a lot of experience in

785
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,279
contract law. I was an attorney. I

786
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:45,360
practiced for 40 years. I have drafted,

787
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,320
I have interpreted, I have enforced BOKU

788
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,679
contracts. I knew Max Gutierrez really

789
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,760
well. He was a colleague of mine, a

790
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,480
friend of mine. Max Gutierrez is the

791
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,919
attorney who represented Mr. Woods, the

792
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:02,480
original owner of the Hawthors.

793
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,360
It was Max Gutierrez who was making sure

794
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,480
that Mr. Wood's desires would be carried

795
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,080
out. I knew Max. I respected him. He was

796
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320
a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful man

797
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,279
and attorney. And he would do everything

798
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:19,600
to make sure that his client's wishes

799
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
were protected. I will say now, it is

800
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080
absolutely clear to me that Mr. Wood's

801
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,519
wishes are not being followed in what

802
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,360
Mid Pen is planning on doing with the

803
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Hawthornes. As you know,

804
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Mr. Woods left the Hawthornes to Post

805
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Peninsula Open Space Trust originally.

806
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,679
Okay. Then after some time, the property

807
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:52,240
was transferred by post to midpen.

808
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,679
Midpin has an absolute obligation

809
00:33:55,679 --> 00:34:00,159
to follow the terms of the conservation

810
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,799
easement that Max Gutierre has drafted

811
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,200
on behalf of Mr. Woods, the original

812
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,800
granter of the property.

813
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,240
The problem is not just mid pin. The

814
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:16,159
problem is also post.

815
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,240
Okay, post. And I'm speaking now

816
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,520
probably to the attorney I presume is

817
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,480
not here but the attorney we have hired

818
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,119
because here's the problem.

819
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,079
Midpen wants access as much as possible

820
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,359
to the hawthors. When midpen wants to do

821
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:37,919
something it goes to post because it's

822
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:39,839
post who has the legal obligation to

823
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:43,119
enforce the terms of the easement.

824
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,679
Now, a few times post said no to a few

825
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,240
things mid pen wanted to do. Most of the

826
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:48,639
time

827
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,079
>> I'm going to have to ask you to wrap it

828
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,000
up. The times are seated.

829
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,800
>> Uh, may I have your indulgence for just

830
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,720
a bit more, please?

831
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,320
>> Yes, we do try to keep them to three

832
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,680
minutes though. So, if you can wrap it

833
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,320
up, please.

834
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
>> I will try to wrap it up. Okay. Let me

835
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,240
tell you about post.

836
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,960
I spent

837
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,280
more time than I care to think trying to

838
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
get post to tell me how what MidPen is

839
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,839
doing complies with the easement. They

840
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,400
never did. I scheduled an in-person

841
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
meeting. Actually, it was by remote, but

842
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,800
I tried to get in person with the

843
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,040
president of Post and the attorney who

844
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,000
advises Post. I asked them specifically

845
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
how what Midpen is doing complies with

846
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,960
the easement. They couldn't tell me. All

847
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,720
I heard from Post attorney was well,

848
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,359
it's for public access. That's the

849
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,079
overriding concern. So what they are

850
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,520
doing, what Post is doing is subsuming

851
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
everything, everything, every

852
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,160
consideration to more and more public

853
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,000
access. Why are they doing that? I don't

854
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,960
know. But it's illegal. They it is

855
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,480
illegal what they're doing. They are not

856
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,240
enforcing the easement. And our attorney

857
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,920
needs to, I think, emphasize what post

858
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480
is not doing and not meeting its legal

859
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480
obligation. It's not just mid pen.

860
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040
>> Thank you.

861
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:23,589
>> All right. Who's next?

862
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,040
» Welcome.

863
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520
>> Hi there. Nancy Powella and I live on

864
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,599
Canyon Drive

865
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,560
and I've lived in town 46 years and I've

866
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,079
been an attorney for 50 years. Um, and I

867
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,960
joined with the my fellow council here

868
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,079
and I have to say the level of arrogance

869
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,920
that I've seen with MIDI pen is

870
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,320
astounding. And for those of you who

871
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,520
were also at the last um mid peninsula

872
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,720
board meeting where I spoke and I even

873
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,880
commented to the board on the level of

874
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
arrogance that I thought they had. One

875
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,880
of the concerns that I have is that I

876
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,520
want to make sure that we try to follow

877
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640
an aggressive approach like the pre two

878
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,280
previous speakers have suggested. I

879
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,760
think right now Cortola Valley has just

880
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,240
been sitting on the sidelines and Craig

881
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,240
with all due deference to your speaking

882
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,960
at that board meeting. You made it clear

883
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,280
to the Midpen people. In fact, I believe

884
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,520
your words were that the town wants to

885
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,359
work with them. We're all going to be it

886
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:26,240
was all a happy kumbaya thing. We are

887
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,440
past happy kumbaya.

888
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,000
And and to me, I mean, the question of,

889
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,200
well, why is Mid Peninsula trying to

890
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,160
promote this big parking lot and and

891
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
ignoring all of the rule and all the

892
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,960
guidelines of our town? To me, it's

893
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,200
pretty simple. They miss the boat in

894
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,040
setting up enough parking for mid for

895
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,440
the Windy Hill open space. What they

896
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,520
figure they can do is they can have this

897
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,599
big parking lot. They can suggest to

898
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,599
people they park there. They can walk

899
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,280
along Alpine Road. They can divert into

900
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,760
Sweet Springs Trail, loop around to Deer

901
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Path, connect around along Alpine Road,

902
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,359
and voila, they have an even longer,

903
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:08,880
lovelier loop than they thought they

904
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680
were going to have. So, to me, it's just

905
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,920
um there it's an offiscation of looking

906
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,520
to have a bigger windy open windy hill

907
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,440
open space parking lot. So

908
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560
since the issue before us I believe is a

909
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,480
subcommittee issue, what I'd like to

910
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,800
suggest is that the subcommittee be

911
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440
composed of people who are open to

912
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,599
looking at perhaps some the legal issues

913
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,480
that have been suggested or even

914
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,119
obliquely. And I think it needs to be

915
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,680
someone who is willing to stand up to

916
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,880
mid- peninsula open space. And perhaps

917
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,880
we do a perhaps in the good guy bad guy

918
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,280
framework. Craig can still be the good

919
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,839
guy and be the nice guy who wants to

920
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,320
talk and be kumbaya with mid peninsula

921
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,800
open space. But I think we need someone

922
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880
who's going to be willing to stand up to

923
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,240
mid peninsula and say we are not okay

924
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:11,280
with you ignoring our values.

925
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,280
ignoring ignoring the fact that they

926
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,160
have acquired a residential parcel of

927
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
property a residential parcel of

928
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,359
property. They are not entitled to do a

929
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,160
huge parking lot under that framework

930
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,880
and I've run out of time. So

931
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,119
>> thank you.

932
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:39,990
Who's next? Please

933
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,720
» welcome. Hi, I'm Leslie Crease. I live

934
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,480
at One Winter Creek in the ranch. Um,

935
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,720
and I'm here tonight because I'm very

936
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,000
concerned about this council's strength,

937
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,760
ability, and backbone to defend the

938
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,880
ranch in this situation. We are a

939
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
community of 200 and some homes, 200 and

940
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,720
some voters and I'm really concerned

941
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,200
that we are going to get run over by the

942
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Hawthorne because this group tends to

943
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,280
come across as a group who is

944
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,200
cooperative and wants to, you know, kind

945
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,079
of sing Kumbaya with with Midpen. And

946
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,160
Midpen, from what I've watched, does not

947
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560
particularly like you guys. They don't

948
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,599
dislike you guys, but um they're out.

949
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,839
They understand their mission and their

950
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:30,400
goal is to build their park and not to

951
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,720
worry about our residents. That's you

952
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,760
guys. And I'm worried about the ranch

953
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,800
getting run over from hikers on sweet

954
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,000
springs to people, you know, on trails

955
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,119
to dog doodoo in my yard to people with

956
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,680
kids jumping in the creek in my yard. I

957
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,800
cannot fence off my yard. Um, I cannot

958
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,200
do anything to keep people who let their

959
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,480
dogs through in my yard. I found people

960
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,470
with kids,

961
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,599
right? And um they're like, "Why should

962
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,359
we get out of your creek? It's public

963
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:13,359
land, your piece of the creek." Um, I

964
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:16,240
worry that this team is not going to

965
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,200
support us, not going to back us up, and

966
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,200
not going to protect us. Anyways,

967
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,960
thank you.

968
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,280
>> Thank you.

969
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,440
>> Anybody else in the schoolhouse? Yep.

970
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:37,349
Please.

971
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:40,079
» Welcome. Thank you. Um, my name is

972
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,240
Charles Moroni. I live in Portola Valley

973
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,440
Ranch. Um, I'm not an attorney, so I

974
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,520
can't give you any legal advice. I've

975
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,319
been going to these POG meetings for or

976
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:52,000
the first Midpen meetings for five

977
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,280
years. Um I live adjacent to the

978
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Hawthornes

979
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,160
and have been talking to Midpin board,

980
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,599
their POG, all the right people, all

981
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,560
their managers for the last five years.

982
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
They don't respond to anything. No

983
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,240
suggestion, no, hey, this doesn't look

984
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,400
reasonable.

985
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Something that's not reasonable that

986
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,800
they started from the very beginning was

987
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,920
the insistent on a 50 to 75 par car

988
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,359
parking lot. And if you look at our

989
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:30,640
adjacent um uh open spaces, Rostadero

990
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,359
and Windy Hill, they both have

991
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:37,440
approximately 40 to 50 car parking lots.

992
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,760
They both attract

993
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,040
180,000 visitors per year.

994
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,760
So now you're talking about something

995
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,640
that is 65 acres, has a mile and a half

996
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,760
of trails, and you want to put the same

997
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,720
size parking lot there. I've mentioned

998
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,640
this multiple times, and the response is

999
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,400
no parking lot, no project.

1000
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,040
So that's what you're dealing with from

1001
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,839
midpen. It's sort of a passive

1002
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,720
aggressive bully. So they have a vision.

1003
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,960
I don't know what's motivating them for

1004
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960
that vision. It may be what someone has

1005
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,480
already mentioned, but um it's really

1006
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,560
not what they're planning is not really

1007
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680
in the best interest of Valley. If you

1008
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,079
look at our general plan from many years

1009
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,480
ago, there are trails that go through

1010
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,240
and then connect to Sweet Springs and

1011
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,079
other places.

1012
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,880
They used that and said, "Hey, the town

1013
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,920
has already agreed to this, so we should

1014
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,040
attach our trails to these trails." That

1015
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,359
was when there that if you look at that

1016
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:46,480
document, there was one house on that

1017
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,680
property and the concept was to allow

1018
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,119
open space. There was also a plan to

1019
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,280
have other residential houses built

1020
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,359
there that the Woods had gotten approved

1021
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:00,560
when I moved in. something like h a

1022
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
dozen homes, right? There's a big

1023
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520
difference between a dozen people living

1024
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,560
in their homes utilizing all the trails

1025
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:14,160
and 180 thou 180,000 visitors per year.

1026
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,520
So that's the concern. That's why when

1027
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
they wouldn't listen to me at all, we

1028
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,760
went to the neighbors. We got

1029
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,599
195 signatures from uh Portola Valley

1030
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:31,119
Ranch residents. We've got one over 100

1031
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:36,079
of the 200 homes participated in that um

1032
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,480
petition to say, "Hey, we don't want the

1033
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520
connections to our trails. We don't want

1034
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,720
a 50 car parking lot next to us." That's

1035
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,119
never been the plan. that at least got

1036
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,680
their attention, but obviously they've

1037
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,319
continued to move through. So I I I

1038
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:54,160
think that's that gives you a vision of

1039
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,599
what you're dealing with or what your

1040
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,440
subcommittee is going to deal with. And

1041
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
I think at the end you're going to say,

1042
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,359
"Oh, they don't want to work with us,

1043
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:02,720
right? So I don't know what the

1044
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,079
alternative is after that, but I don't I

1045
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,280
think you're going to get a passive

1046
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,280
aggressive response is like, well, we'll

1047
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,599
move through. We'll finish SQA and then

1048
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,319
we'll come back to you." So thank you.

1049
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:17,680
>> Thank you. Anybody

1050
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,800
else in the schoolhouse?

1051
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,079
All right. Seeing no no other hands in

1052
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,040
the schoolhouse, let's go online. Ed,

1053
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:33,510
you're up.

1054
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,800
» Welcome, Ed.

1055
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,119
>> Hi. Yeah. Can you hear me? I'm using my

1056
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,119
phone and I'm not familiar with Zoom on

1057
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,440
the phone.

1058
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,560
>> Can you hear me?

1059
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,680
>> We can.

1060
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,680
>> Very good. Um, yeah, I was expecting

1061
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,920
this to be a little more of a practical

1062
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,240
discussion meeting uh rather than the

1063
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,040
legal discussion. Notwithstanding, I

1064
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,280
will certainly echo the comments I've

1065
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,040
had and experience I've had in the um

1066
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,960
difficulty and challenging communication

1067
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,680
we've had with getting any of uh the

1068
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
concerns or preferences

1069
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,720
um or local knowledge shared with Mid

1070
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,200
Pen or any feedback from them. Um so I'm

1071
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,359
definitely echoing uh what the prior

1072
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:16,160
speakers have said. What I will say is

1073
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,280
that in any further consideration

1074
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,599
um both the access to the site and the

1075
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,839
influence the sphere of influence on the

1076
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,079
remaining neighboring parts of Pongal

1077
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,640
Valley do have to be considered in terms

1078
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,440
of safety and so any working group that

1079
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,520
is established or is not um should

1080
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,839
include a very strong consideration of

1081
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:38,160
public safety and traffic safety. Um

1082
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,040
that's really my comment. Thank you.

1083
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,520
>> Thank you, Ed.

1084
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,109
Dave Cardinal.

1085
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,400
» Sure. Thanks. Um, I was kind of

1086
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,480
surprised by the tone this whole thing

1087
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,079
took. Um, for starters, I was hoping we

1088
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,079
had a town where not everything had to

1089
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:06,720
be a lawsuit. But um going back to the issue at hand um our general plan

1090
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,960
says that the reason we get to be

1091
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,920
special and not have all the things high

1092
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,319
density housing is because we are

1093
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:20,720
sharing our resources and the Hawthornes

1094
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,000
is a resource and people want to come

1095
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,720
there and it has a lot of acres and um I

1096
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,599
don't think we get well I hope we don't

1097
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,599
get to just say go away um leave us

1098
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,839
alone so that leaves us in into what's a

1099
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,520
responsible plan now I think from what

1100
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,640
I've been to lots of meetings I think we

1101
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,960
pull valley have what in curling has

1102
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,920
called the hammer and that they can't do

1103
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,880
anything without permits so I don't

1104
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,200
think we have to be I don't

1105
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,000
nashing of teeth about things. We can

1106
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,319
decide what we think is right. Um I

1107
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:09,520
believe their phase one plan is 30

1108
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,560
spaces for parking. I also believe the

1109
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,440
ASC has strongly recommended it be over

1110
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,760
by Los Tranos

1111
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,640
um for a variety of reasons. I think we

1112
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,119
can if those are both true and we can uh

1113
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,079
have the hammer. We should just like

1114
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:32,240
chill and negotiate those and put the

1115
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,640
parking at whatever size we think it

1116
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,280
needs to be wherever we think it needs

1117
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,640
to be. And um I don't know, you know,

1118
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,920
mid pen is a megalith and all that, but

1119
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,920
at the end of the day, we can hold firm

1120
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,559
and just say here's what we want and

1121
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,680
that's what a subcommittee or a lawyer

1122
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,079
or whatever could do. I don't um

1123
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,400
I don't think it's super complicated. I

1124
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,280
do think the connection to portal of a

1125
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,440
ranch is complicated because some people

1126
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,319
want it, some people don't. Um, the

1127
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,079
exact scale of the parking is

1128
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,319
complicated, but I'm pretty sure it

1129
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:14,559
could start small. I don't I think

1130
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,400
they've already scaled it back for a

1131
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,119
phase one. Um, and just say what we

1132
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,839
want. I mean, just spit it out and say,

1133
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,400
"We want you to be here or there or

1134
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,680
whatever." And I think we just don't

1135
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,160
approve the project unless they do what

1136
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,400
we want. Um, but we need to do something

1137
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,240
in keeping with the charter because

1138
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,720
people want to come here and experience

1139
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,800
our wonderful world and that's part of

1140
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,640
why we're who we are. So, thank you.

1141
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,359
>> Thank you, Dave. All right. Anyone else

1142
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:49,920
online?

1143
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,359
One last call. Anybody else in the

1144
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,760
schoolhouse? All right. I'm going to

1145
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:17,990
close public comment.

1146
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,400
I might like to go first.

1147
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760
>> All right, Mary, why don't you go first?

1148
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,440
>> That way, maybe I'll get two bites at

1149
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,280
the at the cake.

1150
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,400
>> How are you going to get a second one?

1151
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,200
This is it.

1152
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,040
>> I'm just telling you, I'll be as good as

1153
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,440
I can be. Uh, and I don't have a three

1154
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,040
minute limit.

1155
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,559
Uh I have been the leazison to MRSD for

1156
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:42,480
the last 18 months. I've taken this

1157
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:49,910
responsibility extremely ser

1158
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,400
» still off trying to make connection with

1159
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,720
uh with MROD in in many many ways uh

1160
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,200
including attending including bringing u

1161
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
multiple uh

1162
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,319
board members to the site including um

1163
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,880
writing letters asking for uh feedback

1164
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,240
back asking for specific information. Uh

1165
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:18,400
and uh of course they and I visited all

1166
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
the sites. I certainly heard all the

1167
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,280
stories that we've heard thus far. Um

1168
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,240
and including the story of um

1169
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,880
we two things there's no project if we

1170
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,280
don't have pro of parking and two uh we

1171
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,319
will not reconsider the historic uh

1172
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:44,079
project. So the position of MRST has

1173
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,079
very been clearly been from the very

1174
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,480
beginning that the Hawthorne's

1175
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,720
of historic district was not on the

1176
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,000
table for this conversation or for

1177
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
any foreseeable time from their point of

1178
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,280
view. So um that has led to considerable

1179
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,160
amount of frustration. The current

1180
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,040
status for me what my ask was uh is I

1181
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,520
have asked how many what their standard

1182
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,760
is for number of miles of trails per

1183
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,720
parking space. Uh and I'm still waiting

1184
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,359
for that number. I thought that was a

1185
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,960
reasonable number to ask and I I'm

1186
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,559
seeing shaking of heads and I don't know

1187
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,680
which of uh which of these are incorrect

1188
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,640
but uh I feel that I have done both the

1189
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,200
uh nice guy thing and I've been uh

1190
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,960
strong when I thought I needed to be

1191
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,920
strong with them. Uh and I've always

1192
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,079
only spoken as an individual. Um my uh

1193
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,440
hope is it first of all I think there's

1194
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,920
two things about this. Uh I was assigned

1195
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,480
to be the lison. I was honored and

1196
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,559
excited about it. I could have gone back

1197
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,559
and said and so what does it mean to be

1198
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,640
the lison and how hard do I have to

1199
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,800
work? uh and I uh would say that going

1200
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,599
forward the less on MSD needs to have a

1201
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,960
very specific limits to their authority

1202
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,520
and interest and not they have any

1203
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,720
authority but to the the an

1204
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:17,920
understanding of what the time

1205
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,200
commitment is is uh and what uh what

1206
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,359
they can do in the setting where all the

1207
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:27,040
meetings conflict the town council

1208
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,760
meeting. Um

1209
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:37,599
so that's one thing that I would ask. I have uh a specific ask that I have

1210
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,880
thought of over today actually which is

1211
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,000
that um

1212
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,880
that the leison

1213
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,680
uh continue as such and it could be me

1214
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,680
or it could be someone else but that

1215
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,960
there would be an agreement or request

1216
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,280
to MRSD that that person be allowed to

1217
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,040
meet weekly

1218
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,119
uh with MRSD and would report by monthly

1219
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:08,880
to the council as to what kind of

1220
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,359
information is coming coming back and uh

1221
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:17,520
that would make this job doable. Now,

1222
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,920
it's not something that I would have

1223
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,640
designed myself and I don't believe I've

1224
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,960
done that, but I've been darn close to

1225
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,760
it. Uh although I haven't reported back

1226
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,359
to the council uh but I try at least

1227
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:34,480
weekly to make a contact at MOSC.

1228
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,640
>> So So Mary, is this a

1229
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,440
>> comment?

1230
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,839
>> Well, right, but is this a you're making

1231
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:41,520
recommendation that the subcom

1232
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,920
>> I'm trying to inform you as a

1233
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,359
>> I understand, but I'm trying to keep

1234
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,559
this on the agenda item. So is this a

1235
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,720
proposal for the ad hoc committee to

1236
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:51,520
consider?

1237
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,839
>> I think this is just information. In my

1238
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:55,839
estimation, this is information that you

1239
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:58,640
need to have on making the decision

1240
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,880
about whether we need to have a

1241
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,559
subcommittee or not and whether there's

1242
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,559
room for a subcommittee to operate in

1243
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,319
this context.

1244
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:10,400
I personally believe that and I could be

1245
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
dissuaded by I'm looking forward to

1246
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
hearing all the comments of uh the rest

1247
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,599
of the uh committee the uh council but

1248
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,359
um

1249
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:24,000
I pretty much feel like it's not time

1250
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,079
for a

1251
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:29,270
subcommittee

1252
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,760
that isn't any help but I do think

1253
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,079
there's a t it's a time for us to have a

1254
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,880
clear mandate as to what the llays on is

1255
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,599
supposed to be getting out of MSD and

1256
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,839
that needs to be communicated to MSD.

1257
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:45,760
>> Okay.

1258
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,640
So,

1259
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,799
>> so what I think I'm hearing net netted

1260
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,960
out is you're not in favor of creating a

1261
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,440
so

1262
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,200
>> I'm not at this point because we're

1263
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,319
talking about a threemonth uh basically

1264
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:58,319
it's just going to stall us. We're not

1265
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:04,240
going to be able to do any of the big action things that we're talking

1266
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,160
about because we're we're not going to

1267
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,240
even return for till three months, which

1268
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,319
is the thing that happens. Nothing

1269
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:13,440
happens for three months. Um you get I'm

1270
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,119
talking about every two weeks you're

1271
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,680
going to hear back from the Lison what's

1272
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,160
happening when do we need a subcommittee

1273
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,960
now? Do we need to do have an action?

1274
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,119
But right now there's there's no there's

1275
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,359
nothing happening. We haven't gotten any

1276
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,960
of the basic communication lines set

1277
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,079
yet.

1278
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,400
>> Okay. Thank you. Who would like to go

1279
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,510
next?

1280
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:45,829
» How about you?

1281
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:47,520
» Um

1282
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,359
I actually have a question of staff

1283
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:52,799
first. Um and I know we were supposed to

1284
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:53,200
but

1285
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,319
>> Oh, good. Um, Darcy, I need to ask. So,

1286
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:59,200
for instance, if we requested a joint

1287
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,240
council and midpin board meeting, um, if

1288
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,520
we wanted to write a letter, it would

1289
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
not need to go through a subcommittee.

1290
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,119
Is that correct? Or

1291
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:15,680
I don't think you could request that as

1292
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,160
part of this agenda item because this

1293
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,079
agenda item is just to create this

1294
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:20,880
subcommittee.

1295
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,119
>> But I meant for down the line. down the

1296
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:23,920
line

1297
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,760
>> we can do it without a subcommittee

1298
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,799
right once it was

1299
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:29,200
>> agenda. So as you know there is a

1300
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,920
process for a council member to request

1301
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,799
through the town manager that an item be

1302
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,640
agendaized. That's essentially how we

1303
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,000
got here tonight. There's also the

1304
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,079
colleagues memo and for those of you who

1305
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,839
need a little more clarification that's

1306
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:43,440
an adopted resolution of the town

1307
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,760
council that lays out how a town council

1308
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,720
member can request an agenda item. So

1309
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,359
again, how we got here tonight, that

1310
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:53,440
would be an alternative

1311
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,160
to request, for example, that specific

1312
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,559
item that be on the agenda and then the

1313
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,359
council gave direction to

1314
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,319
tackle that discrete item. This item

1315
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,240
came about because there were lots of

1316
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,559
ideas out there and so agendaizing kind

1317
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,559
of each one of these separately or kind

1318
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,680
of in a group might be challenging.

1319
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,520
>> Okay, thank you.

1320
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,040
Um

1321
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,960
okay so a couple of things um I will go

1322
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,720
back to

1323
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,359
um I'm not you know I am concerned that

1324
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,520
what we can do it um you know I want to

1325
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,599
build good fences with our neighbors

1326
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,760
right um and our neighbors are mid pen

1327
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,079
however that said you know their annual

1328
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:44,160
budget last year was $94 million

1329
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,920
and um and you know

1330
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,200
10 times plus what our annual budget is.

1331
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,960
Um they are a large

1332
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,559
uh open space agency. I appreciate them.

1333
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,520
They do a lot of good work. Um but their

1334
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,440
mission is to provide open space access

1335
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,599
to to

1336
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:11,040
the you know to the anyone and everyone.

1337
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,000
Um, and I will also say that along with

1338
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,920
that, when I've talked to them about

1339
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,640
parking situations,

1340
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,760
they are all about driving

1341
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,440
like having big parking lots to provide

1342
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,920
free access. Um, and that, you know, um,

1343
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,160
and I have appreciated that, but also

1344
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:38,880
have been concerned by that stance. Um, so should you know

1345
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,640
and then the idea of the Los Tranco side

1346
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,559
which I thought seemed reasonable. My

1347
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,480
understanding is the Los Tranco side to

1348
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,520
do an access point at that is unsafe

1349
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,440
because of sight lines. Um, so how do we

1350
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,559
make this work with the town and with

1351
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,920
Midpin and what pressure points can we

1352
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,160
potentially apply? Right? Obviously

1353
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,000
litigation is one of them which um and

1354
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,559
then we would go to litigation that we

1355
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,160
don't have much money and we'd probably

1356
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,480
end up at the same point right if we do

1357
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,079
go to litigation potentially. Um so that

1358
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,799
concerns me also because of our limited

1359
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,480
financial

1360
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,400
um

1361
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,400
uh u situation.

1362
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,960
So, you know, obviously I would prefer

1363
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,359
something like a, you know, to do a

1364
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:38,000
formal letter to them to do a a the soft

1365
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,640
or um

1366
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,880
uh joint board meetings. I'd really, as

1367
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,680
you I keep beating a dead horse at this

1368
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,160
point. I'd really like a parking master

1369
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,880
plan because then what in my experience

1370
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,520
in dealing with mid pen is when there is

1371
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,839
something in print that you can point to

1372
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:01,200
that says this does not match this your

1373
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,240
idea. Um

1374
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,720
so so because you know I personally want

1375
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,680
a park a parking master plan. So, I'm

1376
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,640
not in I'm not in favor of an ad hoc

1377
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,640
committee because I think that we could

1378
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,400
do this just um the council can work on

1379
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,200
these areas without an ad hoc committee

1380
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,599
personally. So, that's my opinion. Thank

1381
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:26,160
you.

1382
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,319
>> Thank you, Helen.

1383
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:29,839
Rebecca.

1384
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:32,240
>> Um so, I've taken a bunch of notes while

1385
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,440
I've been listening to everybody's

1386
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,880
comments and thank you for coming to

1387
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,680
provide them. Um,

1388
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,520
I I guess I tend to agree a little bit

1389
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,119
with Helen in her last comment about the

1390
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,640
need and the necessity for a

1391
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,559
subcommittee to go away and explore

1392
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,839
these six options plus a few more um and

1393
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:56,480
then come back.

1394
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,960
>> Oh, what did you say? I said I agree

1395
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,400
with what Helen just said that the idea

1396
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,720
of having a subcommittee to go to one or

1397
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,799
two people from our group of five to go

1398
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,319
away and spend two to three months

1399
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,839
talking about whether or not we should

1400
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:11,920
move forward with these six plus three

1401
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,720
or four more items to me doesn't make

1402
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,200
that much sense. We're not talking about

1403
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,680
huge numbers of things. I mean, it seems

1404
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,680
like the five of us could just agendaize

1405
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,079
this um for the next meeting or whenever

1406
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:26,160
we have time on our agenda and talk

1407
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,079
about what we think the next steps might

1408
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,760
be. I've heard a lot of people saying

1409
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,799
that M uh MRS OSD has been very

1410
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:38,240
difficult to work with. They are huge um

1411
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,720
Goliath, if you will. they have a ton of

1412
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,760
public money. Um,

1413
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,040
and that it's difficult to get them to

1414
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,960
um,

1415
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,359
communicate with or to to listen um,

1416
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:56,799
>> answer questions, right? I mean, I

1417
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,640
haven't had that experience personally.

1418
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,520
I mean, I I have had um, discussions

1419
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,000
with some of the board members and

1420
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,599
they've been pretty open to things, but

1421
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,760
that was on other projects. So,

1422
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,440
>> so Rebecca, I'm just going to ask. We

1423
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,440
have less than 15 minutes to wrap this

1424
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,920
item up. Judith need to speak and I need

1425
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,200
to speak. So,

1426
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,720
>> how come I'm always the one that gets

1427
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,520
cut off?

1428
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,839
>> Because it's now 13 minutes till

1429
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:21,200
>> you should have said that, you know, two

1430
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,359
minutes, five minutes ago when Helen and

1431
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:24,240
Mary were talking.

1432
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,839
>> Okay. So, Rebecca, I thought I heard you

1433
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,319
say that you weren't in favor of this.

1434
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:29,920
And so, if you're not in favor of it,

1435
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,119
then I think we can move on because you

1436
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:34,799
sort of stated your position. So, I

1437
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:36,240
mean, finish up, but just understand

1438
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,520
that we're we're getting close to

1439
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,440
running out of time.

1440
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,359
>> Um, well, let me rethink my my thoughts

1441
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:50,549
since you interrupted. Um,

1442
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,720
I I think the subcommittee raises

1443
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,319
problems in the fact that we have a

1444
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:57,599
liaison, we have an alternate liaison,

1445
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,280
and now we're talking about adding

1446
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,440
having an subcommittee that may or may

1447
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,520
not include those two individuals. So

1448
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,880
now we're talking about possibility of

1449
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520
having four out of the five of us being

1450
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,760
somehow already involved with midpen. So

1451
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,720
in that respect, I don't um I I would

1452
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,079
say no. I'd say agendaize this as an

1453
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,559
item to come back and talk about it. I

1454
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,960
do want to mention one thing is I'm a

1455
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,960
little concerned about um Commissioner

1456
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,880
Brother's comments about there being an

1457
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,160
urgency in terms of our legal options.

1458
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,670
And so I think we need to understand

1459
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,839
What needs to happen for us to consider

1460
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:38,799
these options? Does the does Linda need

1461
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:42,640
to sit with the town staff and this town

1462
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,359
attorney to kind of discuss that to see

1463
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:46,880
what these are? Whether it is an option

1464
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,520
for us to discuss or you know what is

1465
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,200
the next steps for for kind of providing

1466
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,160
some urgency outside of our discussion

1467
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,280
on these items. So that's kind of one of

1468
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,480
my comments.

1469
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,200
Um,

1470
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,960
yeah. I mean, that's where I'm not in

1471
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,720
favor of it to be honest. I am in favor

1472
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,559
of

1473
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:14,309
come back to us.

1474
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:17,039
» Thank you, Judith.

1475
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,280
>> Okay. Um,

1476
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,599
preliminary comments. Um, this is

1477
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,400
extremely complicated given that we're

1478
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,160
getting out of the box on our own legal

1479
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,680
advice for the town and don't know

1480
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,240
exactly where that's going to lead. Um,

1481
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,440
this is a complex negotiation and I view

1482
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,319
it as a negotiation because they are our

1483
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:41,359
neighbors and they will impact us. Um,

1484
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:43,520
you have the woods intent, you have

1485
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,480
post, you have MOSD, you have many

1486
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,280
documents and and authorities with with

1487
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,079
which the town may be able to create

1488
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:53,760
leverage, but we do not know what they

1489
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,319
are yet. So I and I take the comment

1490
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,480
that every single thing we say in public

1491
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,480
right now is going to come right back at

1492
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,680
us if we're unwise in letting the scope

1493
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,799
of these discussions get ahead of our

1494
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:12,240
knowledge base right now. So for me it

1495
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,280
boils down to taking time to better

1496
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,520
define what do we want. The open space

1497
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,799
committee has has done a lot of work on

1498
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,359
concerns of what we don't want and we've

1499
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,680
got some thoughts on what we do want.

1500
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,960
What are our um leverage points? What are our legal points of of

1501
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,359
leverage? Even if you don't assert them,

1502
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,119
you you should know what they are before

1503
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,400
you engage in discussions with somebody

1504
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,039
else so you you don't waste time among

1505
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,559
other things. Um, and then how do we set

1506
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:49,200
up the best discussion with MOSD today?

1507
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,280
I can't say that forming a subcommittee

1508
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,599
is going to help. I think a lot of the

1509
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,240
comments that have gone on before make

1510
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,599
sense to me. Um, I want to I think we

1511
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,000
should come back. Um, I think the

1512
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,079
liaison should continue that role.

1513
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,720
There's no reason to disrupt it. I would

1514
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,960
caution that um being careful with what

1515
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,559
we say until we are well advised legally

1516
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,599
is critical. So we have to be very

1517
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,240
disciplined. Um so I would not form the

1518
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,599
subcommittee right now. I would once the

1519
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:25,920
council in whatever way it does gets

1520
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,079
their bearings on their legal rights

1521
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:34,960
visav that um uh parcel. Um, and I don't

1522
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,200
want it to take forever. We should

1523
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,760
reconvene and discuss because these are

1524
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,200
good ideas. They're just premature and I

1525
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,599
can't support them yet because I just

1526
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,440
feel like I'm supporting a a concept,

1527
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,039
not a strategy. So, I would wait on it

1528
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,359
myself.

1529
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:57,599
>> Thank you.

1530
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,480
Um so in listening both public comments

1531
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,160
and my fellow council members

1532
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,480
I actually still think the subcommittee

1533
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,799
is important to gather information and

1534
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:10,559
put it in a form that we can understand

1535
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:13,599
it. Um I not happy with two or three

1536
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,280
month that takes too long. I would like

1537
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,920
it to happen sooner than later. Um but I

1538
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,040
think it's important if we're going to

1539
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,319
move thought if we're going to move

1540
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,719
forward that we do it thoughtfully. And

1541
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,159
if we're going to do it thoughtfully, I

1542
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,319
think we need to gather the right kind

1543
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,640
of information. And one of the places I

1544
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,279
would start is we had a town manager

1545
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,759
committee that was working indirectly

1546
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:36,480
with the POG and they have a lot of

1547
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,159
correspondence that go back and forth

1548
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,799
with questions. We've got, you know,

1549
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,400
letters from the trails committee. We

1550
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:43,679
have letters from the open space

1551
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:46,400
committee. So I guess my hope was that

1552
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:47,679
we would have a subcommittee that would

1553
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:49,040
help sort of bring those things

1554
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,560
together.

1555
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,679
Come up with it. So that's one piece.

1556
01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:55,199
Come up with some timelines to really

1557
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,120
understand when are the important times

1558
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,040
that we need to weigh in. One of them

1559
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,199
may be Linda's point about you know

1560
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,199
there's an urgency. So maybe we need to

1561
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,440
do something with staff. then there's

1562
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,440
going to be some other sort of periods

1563
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:08,960
where we're going to need to make sure

1564
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,279
that if we're going to weigh in that we're there and sort of um dealing

1565
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,000
with it. The next one is, you know, what

1566
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,759
is post responsibility? Really

1567
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,199
understanding, you know, to that

1568
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,120
question, you know, what should Post be

1569
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,640
doing and should they really be

1570
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,359
enforcing this easement? Um I think some

1571
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,359
of us feel like maybe they're not. Um

1572
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:28,880
and then the last public comment I heard

1573
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,159
was, you know, should we consider what

1574
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,560
are the public safety concerns and

1575
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,480
getting those things

1576
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:37,359
put together in a more coherent package

1577
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,279
so that it could come to the council and

1578
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,600
we could have an informed discussion. I

1579
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,839
think it's important. I'm a little

1580
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:46,080
hardressed to see how that's going to

1581
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,480
happen by just us meeting and and

1582
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,640
chatting about it at the DAS. I I don't

1583
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,040
find that to potentially be a very

1584
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,520
successful. So I I think I'm hearing

1585
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,000
four nos and one yes, but but it still

1586
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,320
doesn't feel like the right answer to

1587
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,920
>> um

1588
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,280
so how do we get there? Um, we've done 2

1589
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,679
by two by one consults with experts

1590
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:09,920
before. I think we do that with the

1591
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,920
council members. I have a number of

1592
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,800
questions. I'm sure everybody else does

1593
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,080
so we can get our own thoughts clarified

1594
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,640
before we come together. If we do not

1595
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120
understand the legal framework, you

1596
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,199
reaching out and you're publicly talking

1597
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:26,640
with all these people. Getting

1598
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,719
information is one thing, but frankly, I

1599
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:30,400
feel like I've gotten information

1600
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,400
overload and I've been paying attention

1601
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,960
and I have a decent amount of feeling.

1602
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,040
That's that's why I'm not sure that

1603
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,520
effort is really worth it. And to

1604
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,239
Rebecca's point, I think four out of

1605
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,280
five of us being already engaged is

1606
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,600
probably unwise at this point. I would

1607
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,480
probably be open to it once I have the

1608
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,080
ability to consult and get a better

1609
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,159
understanding of the legal parameters

1610
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:57,600
we're dealing with and you know I would

1611
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,040
ask that attorney to give us a sense of

1612
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,800
you know what's appropriate public

1613
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,120
comment what where to be watching on

1614
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,600
your public comment um people need to be

1615
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,080
reminded of that and I would benefit

1616
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,360
from that from him so that's the reason

1617
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,520
um I'm not saying never I just think

1618
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,360
right now it's Not right.

1619
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,199
>> Okay. And I actually wasn't Can I

1620
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:20,640
actually finish my com?

1621
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,360
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

1622
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,880
>> No, that's all right. I I just, you

1623
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,159
know, No, no, it it happens. Um, so so I

1624
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:27,280
think there's some other important

1625
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,960
things here. I

1626
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,000
>> I think making sure that we follow the

1627
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,760
general plan and Midpen follows the

1628
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,520
general plan. I think it's important.

1629
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,199
>> I think I think what I'm hearing from

1630
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:39,360
you is understanding, you know, kind of

1631
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,560
what our legal leverage is with Midpen.

1632
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,159
you know, like if if we're going to go

1633
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:45,440
forward, you know, what approvals do

1634
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,120
they need from us? What are those

1635
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,120
situations? Um, so I think I appreciate

1636
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,480
all that. I also think that there are

1637
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:53,760
neighbors and I that's the other thing

1638
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,199
for us to remember. So I think that

1639
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,679
working hopefully with them, but I I

1640
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:02,159
mean I listen, I talked to them. I felt

1641
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,239
like they didn't really give my

1642
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,400
conversation much, but that's the way

1643
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:07,760
you still work with your neighbors. You

1644
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,120
don't just decide that you're going to

1645
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,120
attack them. You still try to work with

1646
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,400
them. That doesn't mean that you just

1647
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,920
say, "Oh, well, if you don't want to do

1648
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,080
what I want, I'm not going to do it."

1649
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,520
You can, we can press them. And I think

1650
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,280
we actually have a lot of leverage to

1651
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,360
press them. So, I'm comfortable. If we

1652
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,520
don't want to do the subcommittee now,

1653
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,719
I'm I think Judith, what I heard you say

1654
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,960
is when you say get your bearings, this

1655
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,960
is mostly legal bearings. Is that

1656
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,480
correct?

1657
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,560
>> Right now, yes. because I have been

1658
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,600
following it and I' I have a good sense

1659
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,320
um of you know the more social um impact

1660
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,480
issues the town is facing which aren't

1661
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:47,679
legal but they're important

1662
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:50,080
considerations for our residents.

1663
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,239
>> Okay. So, I mean, I guess from my point

1664
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:54,239
of view, I'd be comfortable if that we

1665
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:57,440
did that, but I'm still looking for

1666
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,199
pulling all the things that we have, you

1667
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:00,480
know, everything we got from the town

1668
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,000
manager, everything we've gotten from

1669
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,239
open space, get them in one place so we

1670
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,400
as a council can look at it in a

1671
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,920
consistent, informed manner. I think

1672
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,679
that that in my mind is critical. So,

1673
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:12,560
maybe this isn't the time, but I'm a

1674
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,440
little worried that we're going to get

1675
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:14,880
our legal bearings and then we're not

1676
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,159
going to do anything more and it'll be

1677
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,199
September or October before we actually

1678
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,600
>> get to it. Well, that's I don't know. I

1679
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,120
think we're saying that there's more

1680
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,440
urgency. So, I don't know. It it doesn't

1681
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,600
feel quite right to me, but I I think I

1682
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,040
get the the gist.

1683
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,960
>> I I have a comment. Um I feel like

1684
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,320
Craig, what you're asking for the

1685
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,320
subcommittee to do is different what we

1686
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,080
are being asked to talk about to form

1687
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,719
the subcom. I mean, my impression was

1688
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,080
that the subcommittee was going to go

1689
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,320
away and decide what the 10 five items

1690
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,960
that we think that that they want to

1691
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,960
recommend that the committee work on

1692
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,360
that the town council work on. And

1693
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,320
you're saying that you want the

1694
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,159
subcommittee to have a task of actually

1695
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:53,600
collecting all this information and

1696
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,600
putting it into one place and kind of

1697
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,120
creating a timeline and understanding

1698
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,520
where the important points are so that

1699
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,440
we know where there's urgency. That to

1700
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:02,960
me are two different things. So

1701
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,000
>> well I I think the

1702
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,400
>> scope is different but I think you bring

1703
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,560
that stuff together and then I would

1704
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,719
hope the subcommittee would say we look

1705
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:11,920
through this stuff here's our

1706
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,920
recommendation based on the information

1707
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,480
that we have of a way to move forward.

1708
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,480
the subcommittee is not in a position to

1709
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:20,159
make this decision. At most, it's going

1710
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,239
to recommend and yeah, I would expect

1711
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,360
them to give us the data and also give

1712
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,600
us an opinion. We don't have to take

1713
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,239
that opinion as a full counsel. So, so I

1714
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,120
guess I see both

1715
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,159
>> that's much more indepth than what my

1716
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,320
understanding is of what the

1717
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,080
subcommittee. So I don't have an issue

1718
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,679
actually with having the subcommittee go

1719
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:41,840
into that kind of depth and actually

1720
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
collect more information that you're

1721
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,239
saying, but I don't think it's useful to

1722
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:47,840
have a subcommittee just say, "Oh, let's

1723
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,600
come back. I think, you know, the top

1724
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,360
things we recommend is the letter and

1725
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,000
the the open space committee and the

1726
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,080
legal option." I mean, that to me is not

1727
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,239
useful. But if the subcommittee's job

1728
01:14:58,239 --> 01:14:59,840
was to go and collect all this

1729
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,920
information and make sure it's all

1730
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,320
contained and observed and and evaluated

1731
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,400
and reviewed, you know, that I would be

1732
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,800
okay with. It's a bigger job than

1733
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,480
>> Yeah. No, I mean there was no discussion

1734
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,120
until 10 minutes ago of this collection

1735
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,360
of information.

1736
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,199
I mean, I'm not sure how that how would

1737
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:22,960
a subcommittee make a recommendation to

1738
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,520
the council on what we should do if they

1739
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,520
don't do some research. So, to me,

1740
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,600
research is implied in gathering the

1741
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,440
information.

1742
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:31,920
>> Um,

1743
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,600
>> so in the back in the back, if I could

1744
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,440
just ask you guys because we can hear

1745
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,440
you up here. So, just we're almost done

1746
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:38,640
with this. Thank you. No, no, no

1747
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:38,960
worries.

1748
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,080
>> So, I mean, but let me just go back.

1749
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,560
Obviously, staff capacity is limited,

1750
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,640
but

1751
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,520
who where where does where do these

1752
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,520
correspondents live? I'm assuming in our

1753
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,640
archives, right?

1754
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,120
>> So, they live with the committees. So,

1755
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,960
we have open space, we have BPTs, um we

1756
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,840
have people in the town who were on like

1757
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,600
this ad, you know, the the town manager

1758
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,760
committee advising the POG. We have

1759
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,360
those people in town. they have that

1760
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,760
information. So I mean both in our

1761
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,000
archives and you know we have the

1762
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,080
resources here in the town to gather

1763
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,840
that and that was my only point is I

1764
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,920
just feel like we should be starting on

1765
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,840
that process because otherwise it's

1766
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,000
going to be November before we start

1767
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,360
thinking about it and that that was my

1768
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,800
concern.

1769
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,360
Well, I actually I mean Rebecca and I

1770
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,560
were elected after the last time Midpin

1771
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:40,719
presented and uh so like I am definitely

1772
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:43,679
feeling not up to speed. So I would

1773
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,679
appreciate that more background

1774
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:47,600
actually.

1775
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,239
So I don't know if a subcommittee would

1776
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:53,840
want to do that background research

1777
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,560
>> or if it's neat with Darcy. I I I just

1778
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,870
asked that question.

1779
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,280
» I think it depends on what the council's

1780
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,440
interest is. But I'll just advise you

1781
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,199
that the subcommittee needs to have a

1782
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,600
clearly defined task or tasks. That was

1783
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,760
the goal of this list. This is just

1784
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,000
ideas. But if there was a subcommittee

1785
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,560
for example to research

1786
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,239
past

1787
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,239
uh it sounds like town manager committee

1788
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,760
conversations

1789
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,400
meetings notes and gather that

1790
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,000
information together they could and then

1791
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,320
that I would envision that that that

1792
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,000
subcommittee would then come and present

1793
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,400
that back to the town council at a

1794
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,320
future meeting. So if the town council

1795
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,560
believes that that information would be

1796
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,640
helpful that could be the scope of the

1797
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,199
subcommittee.

1798
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:42,239
Personally, I feel like the most

1799
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:43,760
important thing is to explore our legal

1800
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,920
options with our our newly hired town

1801
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,800
attorney or the project attorney. I

1802
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,880
mean, that that's for me what I feel

1803
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,600
like is most important. But

1804
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:59,350
>> I don't know where that task lives.

1805
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,600
And and I should add that that should be

1806
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,159
not a public task. That should be a

1807
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:05,520
private task.

1808
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,870
>> Is it possible for me to call the vote?

1809
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,400
Can I make a motion? Are

1810
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,320
>> you sure you can make a motion?

1811
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,159
>> I mean, we we're definitely pressed for

1812
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:21,920
time and uh it seems that uh it the idea

1813
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,640
of doing a subcommittee

1814
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,239
I'd like to make a motion that uh we do

1815
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,520
not at this time make a subcommittee.

1816
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,320
I also would like him make a motion as

1817
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,480
part of that that the leazison be uh

1818
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:42,719
tasked to give a report every two weeks

1819
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:47,189
to the council.

1820
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:50,480
» Okay. Is there a second?

1821
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,760
>> I would second that.

1822
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,880
>> Okay. We have a motion and a second. All

1823
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,640
in favor?

1824
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,600
>> I

1825
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,320
>> Okay. Those opposed? Nay.

1826
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,159
>> Oh,

1827
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,480
I'm an I'm an I.

1828
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,120
>> Okay. So, passes four to one.

1829
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,360
>> All right. So, I think that closes up

1830
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,320
5B.

1831
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,120
>> Does it though? Can I just say I my

1832
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,960
direction here, my takeway is that I

1833
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,960
will agendaize a future item and I will

1834
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,440
coordinate two by two by one meetings

1835
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:26,719
with outside council Bill Celigman. I I

1836
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:28,159
don't know when this will come back.

1837
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:30,080
July is

1838
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,640
we're working on July agendas now. So I

1839
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,600
will bring it back for a more robust

1840
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,040
discussion and then you can provide

1841
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,239
direction to me if onto which items that

1842
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,080
you would want me to work on.

1843
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,719
>> Now u the the idea of being able to get

1844
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:47,199
on the agenda for my report. How does

1845
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:48,400
that happen?

1846
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,080
>> I think that comes under subcommittee

1847
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,239
leaison reports. Okay.

1848
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:54,080
>> Thank you.

1849
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,080
Okay. Thank you. With that, I'm going to

1850
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,400
adjourn the special meeting. Thank you

1851
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,400
everyone.