[1:52] I can hear it on the Okay,
>> we had the rim
[1:55] last week
[1:59] and he's you can see like all the smoke
is from the valley.
[2:04] Yeah, we came back from the second
launch the other morning that have a
[2:07] remark over the radio.
Oh yeah, we better turn to that.
[2:34] Um, and we won't stream it. We'll just
have it recording and then when the
[2:40] meeting's over, we'll we'll download it
and upload it to YouTube. Okay.
[2:44] » It'll just be done after the meetings.
Okay. No one's going to be able to
[2:48] » stream said airport meeting.
>> Hey, William.
[2:51] » How's it going, man?
>> Good. How are you?
[2:52] » Long time no see.
>> Yeah, it's been a while.
[2:54] » We'll fix it afterwards. Yeah, we just
can't get into that other But we're
[2:59] legal though.
>> Oh, yeah. We're fine. Okay. Yeah, every
[3:01] as long as it's recording, we are fine.
Awesome.
[3:03] » Thank you.
[3:09] » All right. So, let's get started.
[clears throat] It is uh
[3:14] » they can hear us. Sorry.
>> Can Rachel hear us?
[3:19] » You Oh, I didn't.
>> Yeah, I can hear you.
[3:27] So, uh, this is the, uh, Grand County
Airport Board. It's 4 o'clock on July
[3:33] 6th.
I'll call this meeting to order.
[3:39] First of all,
who's here? Randy, Jason, Dan, Jeff,
[3:47] Bill, Bill, Howard,
whatever that Steve [laughter]
[3:55] Steve,
>> we have Rachel.
[3:57] » Rachel's online.
>> We have a listener from the yard. So,
[4:01] » okay.
>> Enjoy.
[4:03] » All right. Any We do we have any
citizens to be heard?
[4:08] » They can't hear us. It's not streaming,
right? So, anybody online that wants to
[4:12] say anything?
All right.
[4:17] First order of business, uh, approve the
minutes from the June 1st, 2026 meeting.
[4:25] I'll make a motion to approve the
June 1st, 2026 airport board. I'll
[4:31] second.
>> Jason uh moves that we approve them as
[4:35] is and Howard seconds. All in favor?
>> I
[4:40] » I unanimous.
>> All right. I
[4:45] » Yeah. I
[laughter]
[4:49] » All right. Um,
Steve, you're up. Report director
[4:55] report. Okay, first off, um, let's talk
about the Sky West Airlines schedule a
[5:00] little bit. Most of you should have had
a chance to go through what they're
[5:04] proposing.
Um, which is, um, October 1st start to
[5:12] Salt Lake.
We're proposing an October 7th start to
[5:20] Denver. We are working really hard to
see if we can't eliminate that 7-day gap
[5:27] in another way. So, I've spoken with Sky
West about it. Um, they're looking for
[5:33] whatever way we might be able to keep
that keep that running so that we don't
[5:38] lose that week. Uh, but Salt Lake will
definitely start October 1st. Just to
[5:42] tell you what the issue is. Um because
DOT took so long in making this
[5:48] decision. United requires a certain
amount of training time and that's as
[5:54] fast as they think they can get it in.
We're petitioning them to see if we
[5:58] can't condense that down a little bit um
to make that October 1st date. So more
[6:05] to follow on that. I'm working with Sky
West closely with Sky West to see if we
[6:09] can't make that happen. Also, while
we're on the topic of Sky West,
[6:15] um, want to make sure that everybody
understands that what if, if you read
[6:19] their posting for the jobs, um, read
them closely because some of them say
[6:24] full-time positions with an S positions.
So, it's easy to get confused and think
[6:30] there's maybe one full-time person, two
full-time persons. Right now, they're
[6:34] proposing five full-time people. Um,
which is, I believe, Rachel can correct
[6:40] me if I'm wrong. I believe is what
Contour is doing as well. And then
[6:44] there'll be part-time positions along
with that. Some of this will be seasonal
[6:48] as it is with Concour. You ramp up uh
when it's busy and you slow down when
[6:54] it's not. Um, so
>> we don't have we don't have seasonal
[6:59] employees.
>> Oh, you don't? Okay. No,
[7:01] » I understood that you did, but that's
totally okay. Um, we're working with Sky
[7:05] West to I was saying that because I
thought Contour did that. Um, Sky West
[7:10] is not committed to doing that. So, we
are certainly going to try and get uh
[7:15] the we should have the exact same level
of employment. We're also working on
[7:19] making sure that they don't post a lower
wage um which they've posted. So, all
[7:24] those things are still in flux and we
are working hard to hold them hold their
[7:28] feet to that fire. So
>> great.
[7:31] » Just FYI.
Um the numbers from January and May.
[7:37] » One one question now the the winter off
peak no flies to Salt Lake.
[7:43] » Yeah.
Right now that is the plan. We'll see
[7:47] how but all of this can change depending
on usage. It's like
[7:52] » that's what Sky West did last time. They
didn't operate in the winter to Salt
[7:56] Lake.
>> Yeah. It it's like we're stopping the
[7:58] Phoenix flights now in in the winter
when the traffic goes down. It's just an
[8:05] off peak thing. If there's if there's
enough usage, of course, they'll keep
[8:10] flying it. So, some of that just depends
on how it turns out. The schedule can
[8:14] change as we find out who's using which
flights,
[8:18] » right? But they if they're not scheduled
flights, they can't book. So, we have no
[8:21] way of knowing. Right now they're
proposing it based on um past
[8:25] performance, based on what happened last
time they were here and also based a
[8:29] little bit on what contours Phoenix
flight was doing. So they're kind of
[8:33] trying to look at all of that, piece
together a schedule that gives us the
[8:36] most flights during the busiest times.
[8:42] » They shouldn't look too hard at the
timing of their flights. Are they good
[8:46] that it roll food to other?
>> Yes, they the the timing is to hit the
[8:51] hub to hit the hubs at the hub times.
>> Okay.
[8:54] » Now, the problem is there's a hub coming
and a hub going,
[8:58] » right? So, some of these were hitting
the hub coming and some of these were
[9:00] hitting the hub going. So, it's
when you got two flights a day, you can
[9:05] hit both. um when you get one flight a
day, you're either hitting the hitting
[9:09] the hub time to go somewhere go in the
middle or you're you're trying to get it
[9:14] somewhere in the middle so you can get
you know everybody everybody connected.
[9:19] » Yeah.
>> So yeah, that is also a topic for
[9:22] conversation with with them ongoing.
>> Okay.
[9:27] » Other questions before we get to
numbers?
[9:31] This
is what's out there now. It's not
[9:35] necessarily what's going to be
permanent.
[9:38] So, just FYI.
[9:44] » And last I looked, last I looked, we're
unable to book right now,
[9:49] » right? Yeah.
>> I haven't tried that. It was supposed to
[9:51] go online.
>> Well, it be this Saturday.
[9:55] » Oh,
>> I thought it was going to be I thought
[9:57] it was going to go online.
>> This coming Saturday. Yes,
[10:00] » I'll tell Cody and confirm exactly when
this will be live for booking. They
[10:05] waited for us to approve this schedule,
which I told him just get get it out
[10:09] there as quickly as possible. So, I was
on the phone with Cody today, but I did
[10:13] not ask that question. Cody from Sky
West. So, I will I will ask that
[10:18] question. When will it be able to be
blocked?
[10:25] And I will get that sent out to all of
you tomorrow.
[10:29] So you don't have to wait till the next
meeting. I'll have Sarah send out
[10:33] exactly what date we can expect it to go
live online.
[10:38] Um so you can see our our operations
again have have grown through May. Uh we
[10:45] expect they'll probably level June and
start bumping off in July and August.
[10:53] That seems to have been the pattern. Um,
days of the week, again, it's pretty
[10:57] consistent.
Not much talked about there.
[11:03] Visiting versus based aircraft, still
tracking that. Obviously, most of our
[11:08] most of our operations are from visiting
aircraft, much fewer than base.
[11:18] You see which way the wind's going.
We're uh doing a lot more on 21 than on
[11:24] 03
which
[11:28] seems like that should be bringing the
smoke to us
[11:32] and a little less smoke as kind of
anticipated.
[11:35] » Take off on 21.
That's more just a function of shaping
[11:41] the airport.
>> Yeah. No, for sure. You don't have to do
[11:44] as much taxing. If it's calm wind,
obviously you're able to
[11:48] » up like 10 knots the other way
>> or they're willing to make that long
[11:53] taxi.
>> Yeah. Notice even the airlines, they
[11:57] will also take off with a fair amount of
tails when it's cool, it's hot, they
[12:03] change, but
>> yeah. Yeah.
[12:06] um when landings uh basically kind of
the same information
[12:12] fuel flowage
I don't know that we're up over last
[12:16] year not by a ton we were up a lot more
in April than we were in May
[12:22] our fuel flow is still a little higher
than it was last year in May
[12:27] and then the painful one fuel flowage
jet A
[12:34] dramatically down from last year. Again,
a lot of this is a function of
[12:39] changeover of of airlines. Also,
employment's not growing quite as
[12:44] quickly um through this. Also,
a factor that I think could be the
[12:51] changeover of airline coming. People are
anticipating that um potentially not as
[12:56] much advertising rolling in as maybe it
was before and promotion. So, I'm not
[13:01] overly concerned with that being down in
May because I think it'll pick back up
[13:05] again after we have a more stable
airline situation at the airport that
[13:11] we're not in flux.
We'll talk about this, but I just wanted
[13:16] this picture. Did you all get this
picture?
[13:20] » That's up there. It's the first P as the
first aircraft to park on our new
[13:25] concrete
>> parking apron.
[13:29] Um,
>> Jud's going to give you a little more
[13:32] statistical relevance to that when we
get to the construction portion, but I
[13:36] just wanted you to see that was our it's
being used.
[13:39] » Thought you were showing us the smoke in
the background. [laughter]
[13:41] » Well, that too.
>> That too.
[13:46] » So, Steve, did you get any feedback from
the firefighting aircraft? I know a lot
[13:50] of them are flying out of the old
airport here in Moab.
[13:53] » Some of them aren't. And some of them
are also flying out of Monaceel.
[13:57] » Yeah. And Blanding. Yeah, they're kind
of just going they're going wherever
[14:00] they can go
>> to get close to the fire and to get
[14:03] close to water.
>> Okay.
[14:05] » Um
>> yeah,
[14:06] » you know, one of our issues is you can't
really fill anything up.
[14:09] » Okay.
>> I'm just curious why so many at the old
[14:12] airport versus the Canyon Lands airport.
Is it distance or is it
[14:16] » just to place the station?
>> Is there a fuel flow charges?
[14:20] » Typically they bring their own fuel,
>> right? So do they pay flowage at the
[14:25] airport? No, not you mean when
>> there's no difference to them at the old
[14:29] airport or at the
>> No, there shouldn't there shouldn't be.
[14:32] We typically have not charged a fuel
flowage fee.
[14:35] » Yeah. So, they're just doing it like
convenience then is closer to that.
[14:40] » Yeah. There are other fees we we might
look at charging them, but fuel flowage
[14:44] is not one of them.
>> Okay.
[14:46] » Yeah. It's it's mostly convenience,
number of people, proximity to
[14:51] other things um where they can go take a
shower and have a place to sleep.
[14:56] » I'm sure they're probably camping out at
the airport.
[14:59] » So, it's
>> we're just so far from like
[15:04] » a lot a good water source right now that
I I think that is part of it.
[15:08] » Okay.
But the ones that come out here like it.
[15:11] They they don't like the light placement
near our new hopefully helipad. But uh
[15:19] we'll discuss that at another time. J
and I are working through some ideas
[15:23] about that. So we'll get there. The next
thing that you have in your packet is
[15:29] the idea for the front entrance road.
>> You have slides on this or
[15:35] » um I can pull them up or they're the
ones in the packet for the road.
[15:39] get out of the pack.
>> Oh,
[15:42] not in the in the online packet there.
So, we can we can pull it up. Um,
[15:49] » the ones there.
>> Um, those are the ones I can
[15:53] » that's the first one. I think we they go
past that one and it gets a little more
[15:57] detailed.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[15:58] » So, we kind of show the scope of the
work and what what's going to be
[16:01] happening. The first thing I want to
tell everybody is I just made a
[16:04] unilateral decision that we're going to
wait and do this in July of next year.
[16:09] Um rather than do that while we're doing
a a changeover of an airline. And uh
[16:16] there's I think all of us at the airport
right now are uh it's a good problem to
[16:21] have. We've got a little construction
fatigue. Um there's just so much been
[16:26] happening um that we just think I just
think it would be better if we waited
[16:31] and tore up our entry road after we're a
little more established and we do it at
[16:36] a slow point
>> in the airport July rather than doing it
[16:41] at a busy time of the airport uh in
October right when we're right when
[16:47] we're having airlines.
>> I totally agree with you on that. Is
[16:50] there a chance for additional funding if
we wait till next summer at all? Is that
[16:55] part of the
>> I don't think so. In in fact, um if
[17:00] anything, it's going to depend on what
oil prices do. The price of the project
[17:04] could actually go up. Uh it's just it's
just a bad time, I think, for us to be
[17:10] shutting down the airport.
And so if we lose a little bit of the
[17:16] project,
uh we'll we'll choose the part we lose
[17:21] judiciously. Um but hopefully we can get
the whole thing bid and and paid for in
[17:26] July just as soon as we can here. In the
meantime, uh we're going to go ahead and
[17:30] kind of split it, I think, is what we
decided. And the engineering for it is
[17:33] going to be going forward so that we'll
be ready to rock. Um the intent is going
[17:39] out to bid January. that we mean
obviously we're we've been working on
[17:44] the intention of building it this fall
for the design aspects of it. Um we'll
[17:50] kind of back off and reallocate
resources and basically go for getting
[17:54] design finished by the end of the year
to go out to bid in January which is
[17:59] always a very good time uh for bidding
project. We'll just bid it with the
[18:04] intention of hey this is not going to be
a March 1st start date. is going to be
[18:08] probably the June July timeline for
construction
[18:11] » July August timeline.
>> Yeah. And this is something that can't
[18:15] be done in the winter because of the
asphalt.
[18:18] » So it's a seasonal correct the asphalt
plants are
[18:24] in the while it's not set in stone
November 15th to April 1st no asphalt.
[18:32] um they will either run it a little bit
later in the year or start a little bit
[18:37] earlier depending upon what those
schedules look like. But generally
[18:42] speaking, unless the contractor who has
the project is the one who's also making
[18:48] the asphalt, they will always open up
their asphalt plants if they can get
[18:53] work out of it, but they won't do it to
sub as much. If there's anyone that's
[18:58] going to get early work, they're going
to do it or asphalt manufacturers, which
[19:02] » isn't necessarily something you would
want anyway for curing and just doing it
[19:08] when it's cold. It just doesn't cure
properly. It'll crack. It's It's not a
[19:11] good time to do it.
>> Um, as far as Oh, I I skipped ahead to
[19:18] entry roads. I wasn't reading our agenda
very closely. Um, so we issued our first
[19:27] as far as I know, the first
written uh letter to someone for uh
[19:34] violation of rules. We're not going to
bring up who it was or publicly shame
[19:39] anyone, but just as a reminder to
everyone, when you stop, you must wait
[19:45] for the gate to close completely
before proceeding.
[19:52] We're not a sight airport, but we do
still have to follow those rules. If we
[19:56] were a side airport, it becomes
a pretty serious violation. Here we have
[20:02] some escalation clauses. You blow the
gate gate once, we're going to talk to
[20:06] you. You're going to come back in and
get retrained. You blow the gate twice,
[20:10] you're going to come back in, get
retrained, and get a formal letter
[20:14] written to you. And if you're employed
by someone, your employer, it's going to
[20:17] go to me, it's going to go to, you know,
whoever needs to see it. If it happens a
[20:23] third time, we start restricting gate
access for a period of time where if you
[20:28] work at the airport, that can be
pretty detrimental to your career. So,
[20:34] um we're hoping that this we can keep
this stuff under control and make sure
[20:39] everybody's obeying these rules. So,
that was our one real incident that we
[20:43] had um to report as far as I the board
wanted to it's sort of an incident
[20:49] accident report. Does it have repercuss
repercussions against the company if
[20:52] they work for somebody
>> or the
[20:54] » well their employee can't their employee
can't get in the door
[20:57] » right there's nothing like
>> oh because your employee did this we're
[21:00] going to restrict your access business.
>> We don't we don't do that. It's an
[21:05] individual issue and
everybody gets trained by the same
[21:10] people. So, everybody should know
exactly what the rules are. And
[21:15] [clears throat] yeah, we just had one
that was a repeat offender and we
[21:18] actually let it go
longer than we should have before
[21:23] writing a frontal letter. So, we've just
taken it to step two. As far as I know,
[21:26] it's the first time we've ever had to do
that. So,
[21:30] I think everybody's doing doing pretty
good. Usually just verbal warning and
[21:34] retraining gets it done. Um,
so that's it. Unless unless we have some
[21:39] questions. I'll talk some more when we
get down to the construction portion.
[21:45] Any questions?
[21:48] Just know that we're going to continue
to work with Sky Last um to try and make
[21:52] this change over as smooth as we
possibly can, but there's no way to do
[21:57] it perfectly smoothly. There's going to
there's going to be bumps in the road,
[22:00] but I'm working closely with Mark Ragio
in DC with Sky West uh to make sure we
[22:05] can make it as smooth as possible.
>> Hey, hey, Steve.
[22:10] » Yes.
>> I just wanted to clarify that on Sky
[22:12] West um web site for jobs, their career
page for their agents. It says this is a
[22:19] part-time position starting at $16 per
hour. their agents will be will be hire
[22:25] will be hired as part-time,
>> which is the conversation that Cody and
[22:30] I had today. He's got to go through a
little bit of a board process before
[22:33] they can start changing that. Um, but he
and I were on the phone together uh
[22:39] today for about an hour and that was the
major topic of conversation was to make
[22:45] sure that that um hourly rate is raised
to a living wage in Moab. I I need them
[22:53] to take what they did was just took all
their EAS
[22:57] airports and just kind of got something
out there as quickly as possible.
[23:00] They're now going out and reviewing that
because they do need to start training
[23:04] people. They do need to start. So, they
just kind of got something out there
[23:07] quick. Um but yeah, I'm still talking to
him about that. Um gave him some new
[23:12] numbers that we want him to shoot for
and I'll be talking to him again
[23:15] tomorrow.
>> Well, yeah, that I mean that's what they
[23:17] promised, right? Full-time positions and
and our wage.
[23:24] And so, yeah, we're definitely going to
hold them to to what they what they said
[23:29] they would do. Had that conversation
today
[23:34] and we'll continue.
Any other questions?
[23:43] Oh, okay. We're we're going to be
working also on uh what the contract
[23:48] looks like. We've got several examples
of Sky West contracts with other EAS
[23:53] airports. We've got several examples of
um contracts from Contour and Denver Air
[24:00] connections with other airports. They're
all public record because these are EAS
[24:06] federally funded. So, we're looking at
those and creating a matrix. I think you
[24:09] guys have the matrix already. We're
we're just going to see if we can pick
[24:14] the best parts out and make sure our
contract is good. Actually,
[24:21] » can they add that to the contract?
>> What?
[24:26] » Yeah,
>> if we can certainly try. It'll be it'll
[24:31] be what
I'll
[24:36] » You know, I'm just I'm just trying to
look out for my agents. They can't work
[24:39] part-time at $16 an hour. That it's just
not feasible.
[24:42] » No, I'm I totally am with you and I
understand that. And if we can get that
[24:46] into the contract, we definitely will.
Some things some things are governed
[24:51] more by uh the Fed and some things are
governed more by the airport and the
[24:56] airline. So, we're still working our way
through which is which. And um we're
[25:02] going to get everything into that
contract that we can to make sure we
[25:05] have a solid written document.
I also think contour or iOS going to re
[25:12] is realized pretty quickly when they
start offering people part-time work
[25:15] that they're not going to find people to
take. No.
[25:17] » No. Especially if you have if you have
to go home and come back for for a
[25:21] two-flight situation when we're so far.
>> I think there are a lot of things that
[25:26] they're that they're the person that put
it out on the web did not take into
[25:31] account, but I'm I'm dealing with them
at the vice president level and and
[25:35] we'll try and get those worked out. And
I've talked to a couple people that have
[25:38] interviewed who I I asked them like,
"Did they offering you part-time or
[25:42] full-time?" They were like, "No, it's
full time." So,
[25:45] » um, so I think that maybe it is a
weapon.
[25:48] » Yeah. I think I think they're got to get
that fixed as quickly as possible. But
[25:52] yeah, just know we're working on it
[25:58] » for your people, too, Rachel. We I I
want them to be taken care of, too. I I
[26:04] I don't want anybody getting hurt.
over this change.
[26:12] » That's it.
>> Okay, back to you, Bill.
[26:16] » Do uh why don't we let Bill go first and
[26:23] on your county?
>> Yeah, there's a lot going on in the
[26:28] county right now. We're in the middle of
the shuttle
[26:33] to the end of Arches process. That'll be
a big discussion tomorrow.
[26:38] We um I know there's been some side
discussions with um Mick and the
[26:44] liaison, which is Brian Martinez,
regarding the advertising that's coming
[26:50] up with Sky West. So, we don't have
anything rolled out yet, but I know that
[26:56] they're trying to um parallel some TRT
money alongside the
[27:02] Sky West money so that we can reach a
broader group there. And I think that
[27:07] they're also trying to pinpoint the slow
times of the year as well. So, that's
[27:13] going on.
[27:18] What else are we in the middle of? We
got all kinds of stuff going on, but I
[27:22] think that's mostly airport related. You
know, I do think that um with Sky West
[27:28] coming in here and the shuttle at the
same time, those two are both going to
[27:32] hopefully open up some doors to the
rental business at the airport. So,
[27:38] and and as well as the shuttle business.
So, we should see some change there. I I
[27:44] don't know. That's probably Howard's
realm, but curious to hear how the
[27:48] trains running and what's going on there
when we get to that point. So,
[27:54] but that's all I got.
>> Okay, Jason.
[27:57] » Um, so the city has has a ton of
projects that are out to bid, you know,
[28:03] um, such as continuing sidewalks, the
ball fields, um, roads, um, and
[28:11] some flood mitigation things. that we
have all these things that are just kind
[28:14] of we're waiting for for it to come
back. So, I think in the next couple
[28:17] months we're going to be super busy kind
of approving some projects, things
[28:20] going. Um, kind of the big thing that
we've had this month was um was what to
[28:26] do with with the fireworks situation and
the fire situation. So that was kind of
[28:31] a big deal we've been dealing with the
last two two two and a half weeks is
[28:35] coming up with the moratorum or whatever
you want to call it on the fireworks ban
[28:41] within the city limits which took a lot
of work to kind of get that done with
[28:46] with the state. So yeah got it done all
I have right now.
[28:56] It seemed like it was pretty good. I
didn't see any major
[29:02] issues with fireworks. Did you?
>> No. That night everybody was quite
[29:06] respectful. Actually,
>> I talked to some firefighters who said
[29:09] that they didn't even hear fireworks at
that idea.
[29:12] » I didn't either. I mean, I right here.
>> Yeah. And so I thought it was great that
[29:16] everybody kind of heated that.
>> Yeah. Me, too. Yeah.
[29:21] » I think that was a big deal because even
last year I can remember they were going
[29:25] all over.
>> Yeah. Now we just got to get through the
[29:29] the 24th.
>> I know. And I think that that's kind of
[29:32] we gota So the fire ban goes till July
30th, but it has to kind of be
[29:38] re-evaluated by the city for a few weeks
to see if that still can hold up, you
[29:44] know. So
>> that's it. That's all I have.
[29:49] » All right. How um kind of a lot of pro
projects underway including a lot of
[29:54] advertising. Obviously, we're waiting
for the SEC or the UDOT for the decision
[29:59] to announce Sky West. Um, I do recommend
even though we don't have a board
[30:05] meeting this month, that the travel
office gets a goes ahead and kind of
[30:08] gets things going as you said, Bill, and
we'll go ahead and approve that next
[30:12] month. I'm all waiting for it to happen.
Um, a report from the returns this year.
[30:18] Obviously, the county works in a
two-month debt um behind, you know, when
[30:22] the numbers come in, but it was the
first the first quarter of this year. I
[30:26] heard it was the first positive quarter
of growth of the county in four years.
[30:31] So, I'd like to say that um the role of
marketing being re-engaged as it has
[30:36] been in the last couple years has
impacted our visitation here. also
[30:41] caveat the fact that there was no snow
this winter and it'll be interesting to
[30:45] see how the second quarter results come
in. But certainly transient room taxes
[30:49] are trending way above the budgets.
Restaurant taxes on the other hand are
[30:53] actually quite a bit in decline. They're
about 34% down. We're doing a check in
[30:57] to see if the number reporting is
correct. It's seen as quite an anomaly.
[31:02] So, but so far so good. Um so things
seem to be gradually coming back into
[31:06] Moab and we're doing all we can to
continue that um progression.
[31:14] » All right. Anybody else want to
report except Jud? You want to take your
[31:19] you want to take do your
>> um is it possible? You should be able to
[31:24] share a screen. Correct.
>> Did you want me to back up?
[31:28] » Uh no. I'm sharing something else
that worked up this morning. kind of
[31:34] family vacation pictures. Yes,
[31:40] » you should be able to share.
>> Okay. Yeah. Um they're not.
[31:43] [clears throat] Okay.
[31:48] Um
really go since the road's going to be
[31:54] pushed. But basically just what we're
looking just as a very very quick
[31:59] preview. the road the entrance road will
be happening in phases. It will be a lot
[32:03] of signage a lot and this is why the
complication arises is um let me zoom in
[32:10] as much as I can.
Um you know on the first phase we have
[32:16] no overnight parking
in front of the terminal open parking in
[32:21] the large parking lot. No overnight
parking. The reason for that is you
[32:24] don't want someone to get on a plane, go
for a vacation for three weeks, come
[32:28] back and forfeit it between them and the
exit.
[32:32] » So, um just kind of that long.
>> How far south does that extend? Does it
[32:37] go in front of our ners or is it short?
>> Uh the project will hit all of the road,
[32:43] not necessarily parking spots, but the
road from property line to the automatic
[32:48] gate.
>> Right. So,
[32:50] » so will we have no parking for a certain
period?
[32:53] » For a certain period, so during this
first phase, no, you daily parking in
[32:58] front of the hangers, but um long term,
the only thing would be available
[33:03] terminal parking lot [clears throat]
for us.
[33:06] » The second phase will be very impactful.
Um
[33:13] the rental car area will basically be uh
in access
[33:20] for construction. Um, again, no
overnight parking. We'll work out the
[33:23] details, but possibly rental cars in
front of the main terminal building
[33:27] because there the rental car parking
right now will be the main thri for
[33:32] construction traffic. Um, and obviously
that road will be be completely torn up.
[33:38] So, no parking there. Pedestrians will
have to access through a temporary
[33:44] walking path for general aviation
businesses and u GA tenants um or in a
[33:53] longer walk over to the terminal
building.
[33:56] The third phase
uh we'll build a secondary kind of
[34:03] temporary dirt road right at the
entrance to go around while we do the
[34:07] main entrance portion. By this point,
we'd have access to the parking.
[34:13] Um, but by this point, be able to drive
in all the way up through the gate.
[34:19] » How much time is each one of those
phases? Roughly,
[34:22] » uh, roughly right now where we're at is
25 days phase one, 10 days phase two
[34:28] because there's some carryover. Um,
and 10 days phase three. So, 45day
[34:34] project. on will impact the the entry
gate so we'll have another way to get
[34:40] around um so that skydive can continue
to get people in and we'll have accesses
[34:47] with signage telling the access but
phase one is the longest one because
[34:51] that's the one where the hole is in the
front of u the fire building and we're
[34:56] going to have to go deeper there's a
little more it's a little more involved
[34:59] there
>> but it it's impossible to see on this
[35:03] resolution but we
This is addressing pedestrians
[35:09] u the commercial terminal or commercial
traffic vehicles of general aviation or
[35:15] airport businesses versus rental versus
um taking into account fire access
[35:21] taking into account EMS access for
getting care flights out uh fuel
[35:26] deliveries um there will be a portion
would actually have to utilize boot
[35:30] hills were most likely to escort same
way that the large asphalt trucks are
[35:34] delivering right now um to escort fuel
trucks up there.
[35:39] » Yeah.
>> Will we lose access to the fuel farm at
[35:42] some point?
>> Uh
[35:46] » no, [clears throat]
>> you might have to take you might have to
[35:50] take a different route, but you're not
going to do it, but I can always get to
[35:54] the tanks.
>> Always going to be able to fuel tank.
[35:56] » There might be some, you know, short
crossover times where the it might be
[36:02] » deliverable. That's the whole idea of
having this plan that we can then now
[36:06] we'll be
>> uh teasing out over the next 12 months.
[36:11] » Okay.
>> Yeah. Luckily, we have now plenty of
[36:13] time to revise and look at other ways to
do it. So,
[36:17] » yeah.
So, uh next is the uh
[36:24] this is the apron. I just kind of wanted
to give you an overview of what what was
[36:29] actually done out there. We're still
waiting on some test results to so we
[36:33] can work out getting contractor paid,
making sure everything meets passes all
[36:37] the long-term testing standards.
Obviously, not going to pay for
[36:41] something if it's bad. Um, but you also
saw that it took significantly longer
[36:46] than we had scheduled um due to some
problems with their paving. So the very
[36:53] first day ate a control strip and uh
then we ripped out two/3 but
[37:02] uh came up with different designs uh
then came back and paved another section
[37:08] as a control strip actually passed
enabled them to start going forward. Uh
[37:12] then did what we're looking at is it's
hard to tell but there's little dots
[37:18] here A through K 1 through 32. Those are
those 18 by 18 foot blocks of concrete.
[37:25] Um so started doing them in pairs.
Poured that one on our third pore. Then
[37:30] we ripped that out.
Um
[37:35] then had a really good I you know
thought we had a or they thought they
[37:38] had a good solution
and did that. Uh so then they came back
[37:44] did a smaller section made them rip that
out. When they ripped that out, they
[37:49] also broke part of the good part behind
it.
[37:52] » Um,
then they came back and filled in that
[37:56] original strip from the first day. We're
now by this point in time off the
[38:02] original schedule where they should have
been completed. Now they're getting back
[38:06] to finally finishing day one.
Um, next time build out the end,
[38:14] added in smaller portions, got things
paved, and I don't know if you saw this
[38:19] kind of very small portions paid on the
end, but that enabled the asphalt to be
[38:24] paid. So, this is all the concrete. The
asphalt is the darker gray that
[38:28] surrounds it. by doing these last final
sections that enable them to come back
[38:33] and do the asphalt paving
to try to get that make sure that's open
[38:39] before the current apron job is
happening. Um then they finally finished
[38:45] everything out. Um, when it was all said
and done,
[38:51] uh,
they did 10,300
[38:56] square yards of concrete and 11,000
square yards of asphalt. So, 21,000
[39:03] square ft. Biggest parking lot in Grand
County is City Market.
[39:08] And City Market is for just under 15,000
square yards. So, this is almost Imagine
[39:17] all city market just being concrete
where the cars are at where the overall
[39:21] projects 50% larger than the biggest
parking lot. And this is just that side.
[39:26] You know, this is the new expanded
parking. So, it really was a monumental
[39:30] project that will benefit the airport
lock.
[39:34] So, it might have been some struggles
and some uh difficulties for the tenants
[39:40] and recognize that. But you do have
something great at the end that will
[39:44] last for decades.
So do you think that we need to write
[39:49] into the specs that they batch on site
in future projects? I mean that is the
[39:54] issue is by the time that mud gets
>> the time was one of the biggest aspects
[39:59] and they
we can't tell them explicitly how to do
[40:06] that work. It's
>> it's way FA works is they you just have
[40:11] a spec. You can't tell somebody how to
meet the spec. They just have to
[40:15] guarantee they will meet the spec. That
recommendation was made to them multiple
[40:20] times. Um, and they didn't meet the spec
as a result.
[40:25] » I think that if they did it again, I
think they would put the batch plant in
[40:30] because was
monumentally unprofitable for them. this
[40:38] project.
>> Every one of those red blocks indicated
[40:40] an area where they paid they spent
hundreds of thousands of dollars on
[40:44] concrete and time and materials, then
had to rip it out, then put it back in,
[40:50] and they're only getting paid. So, they
paid
[40:52] » they paid
20 30% of the project twice at their own
[40:58] cost.
>> So, eventually, did they batch it out
[41:00] there?
>> Yeah.
[41:03] » Uh they started they changed how they
were running their trucks. So again, we
[41:08] can't tell them exactly how uh their
batch plant runs 8 cubic yards at a
[41:13] time. They started out with 10 cubic
yard doing 10 cubic yard loads to
[41:19] minimize how much many trips they needed
to make out. Well, that resulted out of
[41:24] the first 32 panels,
24 of them getting ripped out.
[41:31] Yeah. comp test sample because just the
carryover that going try to get that
[41:37] extra two cubic yards tacked on 10
minutes on each load 15 minutes on each
[41:41] load. So started coming back.
>> So what we can do though Bill is we can
[41:48] charge um damages
to people when they take too long. So if
[41:55] this happens you can build into the
contract liquidated damage.
[41:58] » Did we have LDS built into this?
>> Yes. And did they end up going into LDS?
[42:04] » Uh, it comes down to the whether the
county chooses to impose. Uh, but yes,
[42:11] yes, they did go into LDS. Um,
>> and what are the LDS daily?
[42:15] » I I can't remember if it's 1750 or 2250.
I think on this one it was 1750 a day
[42:24] to the tune of about 40 days.
But that's that is the only way we have
[42:29] kind of a holding fee to fire. So
[42:34] » that will be a discussion that we'll be
having with you
[42:38] and then in turn with them once we get
all of the final testing data back.
[42:43] » Do we have any projects coming up that
require concrete out at the airport in
[42:47] the f future in the next I don't care.
>> Not in the short term. No. So it's we're
[42:53] kind of over the hump on the concrete
for right now.
[42:56] » Yes. Anything that would would be minor
curb and gutter type stuff.
[43:00] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> That doesn't have to be
[43:04] » and taxi would still be asphalt. Any
anything any of the other airport
[43:08] pavements would be asphalt
[43:15] » for some time. It's not a concern one or
the other.
[43:20] And now we are fortunate I don't have
I'll stop sharing. Um
[43:26] we I don't I only have live pictures. I
forot I don't have any on my computer
[43:32] for the other project going.
>> You were going to bring those back.
[43:36] » I
Yeah, I thought they were on here.
[43:42] » So yeah, we've got the first phase is
done. Um we're waiting for the final
[43:48] test results of that. We got the first
round of test results and we're waiting
[43:51] for the finals. Um, they milled out the
other section today.
[43:57] » And you, if you didn't go out and watch
that milling machine work, you missed it
[44:02] now. It is It's hypnotic. It takes out
this much asphalt just as it's
[44:09] » wow
>> driving down and dumps it into a dump
[44:11] truck. It's
>> pretty incredible to watch. This
[44:14] project's been going really smooth,
really well. So, and we were able to
[44:19] with the the money we got from this is
what I wanted to point out. If we had a
[44:23] picture with with the with the money we
were able to get from the county to do a
[44:28] little closer to that 50ft section in
front of those buildings, we're able to
[44:32] get the worst of it. So, the most failed
asphalt, we're able to completely mill
[44:37] that out and replace it with 6 in of
asphalt. So, we got the worst of it
[44:42] taken care of.
It's not the full width of the hanger,
[44:47] but that was
>> No, it got the worst. It's the part that
[44:51] was unraveling.
>> Yeah. Moving on.
[44:54] » Yeah.
>> Um, that one's going well. Again, the
[44:58] road will rework for the entrance road
and then pay for maintenance to be
[45:02] later.
>> How we doing on time on the
[45:06] » the current apron job? Uh, I think we're
as of today, I think we're one day ahead
[45:11] of schedule.
Um
[45:15] depending on because they actually not
only mil everything but they actually
[45:19] have have to hold the uh gra the first
layer. Um it will be the similar process
[45:25] if you were there for the first phase
where they basically take they're taking
[45:29] the whole area that they've mil. They're
digging out 30 in deep. They will haul
[45:34] that away for right now. Then they will
dig out the rest down to 5t. Dump it on
[45:40] the other half of the project. get that
material worked in, move that section
[45:46] back on, work that material in, be ready
to go.
[45:52] » PSJ has been good to work with and uh
>> really good. It's been really some these
[45:57] guys are on top of their game.
>> What contractor is this?
[46:01] » TSJ.
[46:05] » Land was their sub for paving.
They did better paving than they did
[46:12] with the concrete, but not by much.
>> So, we'll hopefully have the we will
[46:19] have um the final testing stuff this
week from the phase one paving.
[46:28] » Do we want to talk about the light poles
or something?
[46:31] » No, let's I'll talk to you about it. Um
>> yeah, because we are getting questions.
[46:36] I know that
>> it's Yeah, we'll we'll we'll talk about
[46:42] it online.
>> Okay.
[46:47] » And yeah, that so that handles all of
the the past project or the current
[46:53] project and the next few project
maintenance and value.
[47:00] » Hey, Steve, I think it's back to you for
airport leases.
[47:03] » A couple of things to discuss about
airport leases.
[47:06] with the easiest ones. Um, just waiting
for Laurel to get her survey points in
[47:12] um for her first row of hangers that she
would she would like to build. So, she's
[47:17] got a surveyor. Um, she called me today.
I wasn't able to talk to her. Today was
[47:20] kind of a a crazy day, but I'll get with
her tomorrow and see where we're at. So,
[47:24] those are still moving forward, still
planned. Um, just need to get some
[47:28] survey markers in and some policy
decisions made and we'll be moving on
[47:33] that. One of the policy decisions is the
difference between 20 feet between
[47:38] hangers and 30 feet between hangers. Um
30 feet between hangers lowers the cost
[47:45] of construction
dramatically,
[47:49] but it takes up an extra 10 ft of space
where we could be putting hangers. Um
[47:58] I think there's two ways that we can
look at this and this will be something
[48:00] I will write up and we can have as a
discussion item uh or a vote item at a
[48:05] future board meeting. Uh we can say that
if we have joined hangers like
[48:11] condominiumized hangers like T hangers
that are all in a row, we're basically
[48:15] saving that 20 ft of space in between
each one of those if they were
[48:19] individual hangers. So, putting 30 feet
between those and the one next to them
[48:25] might be one way we can go with it
because if hangers are together, you're
[48:29] saving the space that you're losing. Uh,
for single hangers, we stick with the 20
[48:33] ft. Um, that's just one of the ideas I'm
floating as a concept. I'll have
[48:38] something more written up for you of how
it actually impacts the space um later.
[48:45] We're just kind of starting to look down
these things. So, that's first on
[48:48] leases. um still have some of those
pipelines still looking at getting some
[48:54] of those hangers done. Uh particularly
uh Skydive Moab um which
[49:00] should be moving dirt here pretty soon
to get that one started. Uh the other
[49:05] thing about leases is again one of these
things I'm going to have to write up for
[49:09] you so that we can have it as a
discussion item because I'm we're not
[49:12] ready to vote on it tonight and I don't
have the information for you but I want
[49:15] to give you a heads up. Um, some of our
leases are very vague and some of them
[49:22] are kind of all over the map as we go
through the leases uh as far as what
[49:25] people are paying and what people uh
what their terms are. Um, it's kind of
[49:30] everywhere, but the one thing every
lease has
[49:34] um in it is they are all subordinate to
the minimum standards and to the airport
[49:41] rules and rags. So, if we want to clean
up some of the leases, some of them are
[49:46] very long-term. The way we can do that
is through minimum standards um made
[49:53] statute at the county. So, these are
some discussions that we're going to
[49:57] have to be having here in the next
little while. The other part about
[50:00] leases as we dig into these things as we
find out that there are many sublet
[50:07] hangers around
uh we need to decide as an airport if
[50:11] we're okay with subleting. Right now it
looks like uh as an airport we are
[50:16] because it's been working out for pretty
much everybody. Um, one thing I would
[50:21] like to do, however, is make sure that
any hanger that is being sublet, we have
[50:25] a separate sublet agreement with the
subleases.
[50:30] One of the issues that we have is we
don't know who's in some of these
[50:33] hangers. I mean, we don't have any way
to contact them. Um, if there was an
[50:38] issue, we we uh don't do this. So, I
told you I came from two schools of
[50:42] thought. Provo, we just didn't allow
subleting at all. uh Reton, we did allow
[50:47] subleting, but the sublet agreement also
had to be signed by the airport so that
[50:53] we knew who was in there. So, you have
to have an agreement with the person
[50:56] you're subleting to. And we have to know
how much you're charging that person.
[51:02] Does that person also have insurance? Do
you have hangerkeeper liability
[51:06] insurance?
Um just some of these different things.
[51:10] And these are things we're just going to
have to come to policy decisions on
[51:14] where we want to go. And and when we
come to have that conversation, I'm
[51:18] going to I'm going to give you all
information on both sides of it so that
[51:22] we can all discuss it openly how we want
to proceed because that is something
[51:27] we'll build into the minimum standards.
If you are going to sublet your hanger,
[51:32] the minimum standard for being a a sasso
is what it's called, a a special air
[51:39] service operation. Hangarkeepering is
one of those operations and there is a
[51:44] specific set of rules that we can put in
place that you have to follow to do
[51:48] that. One of them is insurance u and one
of them is separate sublessie
[51:54] agreements. So, just an FYI, that's
we're a ways away from that yet. We're
[51:59] still working our way through it. I'm
just trying to identify areas of concern
[52:03] that we need to um start looking at
sooner rather than later. Um
[52:11] and again, it's more of a liability
issue for me. Need to know who's who's
[52:16] there. I know some of them, but um we
don't know all of them. We have
[52:18] agreements for some of them, um but not
all of them. Uh so I think it would be
[52:24] important that we that we put something
like that in place but again until I
[52:27] have something set up to do that with um
it's just a discussion item that we can
[52:33] have. Uh the just one question on on the
is this also going to encompass uh
[52:41] nightly or weekly rentals?
Is that lease subleasasing? What is
[52:45] that?
We're going to have to talk about
[52:51] that's that's another topic. Do we want
to allow someone to do a nightly sublet?
[52:59] If so, then that there should be a
minimum standard built in to do that. It
[53:04] should be addressed in our minimum
standards. You can do a nightly, but
[53:07] here's the process that you have to
follow to do that as a business. Um,
[53:14] » does that fall under our FBO at all?
nightly and weekly. Those short-term
[53:19] rentals, I would say, should be done
through the FBO because that's where you
[53:23] already have the blanket of coverage of
insurance coverage. Uh, that would come
[53:29] all of those people would come in under
that umbrella. If we try and do nightly
[53:34] sublets at every different hanger, it's
going to be almost impossible for us to
[53:39] keep track of who's here, who's not, um,
in the event of any issue of liability.
[53:44] In a sense, then you would be creating
competition for our revenue.
[53:48] » Exactly. [clears throat]
>> True. And I don't want to do that. We
[53:52] need to protect and that's going to be
one of the next things we're gonna talk
[53:54] about here. Um protecting revenue
streams for the FBO. As you guys have
[53:59] heard from me about a million times. Um
nobody comes into an airport and says,
[54:04] "Gosh, that airport director and staff,
they're really good." They they don't
[54:07] know we're even there if we're doing a
really good job. they they see our
[54:12] terminal and they see our FBO. So, it's
really important to have a good strong
[54:16] FBO. In order to have a good strong FBO,
you have to be able to protect some of
[54:19] those revenue streams um that that
FBOs's are beholden to because your
[54:25] minimum standards require your FBOs to
do a lot of different things for the
[54:31] right to sell the fuel. [clears throat]
So, we require a lot of them. And if
[54:37] we're not requiring as much of the
people who are coming in and competing
[54:42] with them, um, that is an unfair
advantage against the FBO. So that's why
[54:48] I want to tighten up those minimum
standards is to try to help protect some
[54:52] of those revenue streams that
traditionally should belong to the FBO.
[54:57] Is that making sense to everybody? There
are also some things with your FBO that
[55:01] you should do in my opinion
um to make the FBO more profitable and
[55:06] more able to
be strong. And one of those things is uh
[55:11] that's the only person or the only
entity on the airfield in my opinion uh
[55:16] that should have different lease terms
than
[55:22] the rest of the airfield. FBO and ASO.
If you are a if you are qualified
[55:29] minimum standard ASO, there are some of
those that we might be able to build in
[55:32] some some favorable lease terms. One of
those is a longer lease.
[55:38] So, if we give the FBO a little bit
longer lease, they have more ability to
[55:45] finance their operation because as
leases expire, you know, buildings
[55:51] » What's ASO?
>> Oh, sorry. Air service operator.
[55:54] » Do we have any of those?
>> Oh, sure. Skydive Mand service operator.
[55:58] » I get it.
>> Yeah. So, and there are [clears throat]
[56:02] more that are operating that.
>> Yeah. We have the balloon people and
[56:07] some others out there.
>> Yeah.
[56:10] » Well, there's some others that are doing
some other things that we don't have any
[56:13] minimum standards preventing them from
doing it. So, they're not having to meet
[56:17] the same qualifications as the FBO.
Anyway, it's it's tricky and it's
[56:21] complicated when you only have one FBO,
but we can't support more than one FBO
[56:26] at the airfield. We just don't don't
sell enough fuel. Um because you want to
[56:31] be careful
because it is a monopoly. You do have to
[56:35] build some things into your minimum
standards to make sure that you um kind
[56:39] of keep everything fair and above board.
And again, this is just the beginning.
[56:42] This is the opening of this
conversation. I think I've mentioned
[56:46] here before and Jed can back me up on
this. more airport directors have been
[56:49] fired over rewriting the minimum
standards than almost any other topic.
[56:54] Um, so it's a tough one. It's
>> looking to move on.
[56:58] » It's a tough one to move into, but it's
one I think that this airport really,
[57:03] really needs. Um, partly to protect the
FBO. Uh, in light of that, the current
[57:09] FBO uh lease was signed in 2023
um for all of their hangers. How many
[57:17] years is that for?
>> Well, what I'm saying is we're going to
[57:20] make those all 50.
>> I see.
[57:23] » From 2023 on, we're going to do 50-year
leases for the FBO. Now, what we do for
[57:29] the rest of the of the airfield, let's
talk and let's decide what's good. What
[57:34] we decided in Provo was 40, a 30-year to
5 years. Why? Because for tax purposes,
[57:39] that gives you the ability to depreciate
out the entire value of building. I
[57:43] believe that's still the case. But um so
for most people we do 40. For the FBO we
[57:50] do 50. Now we would build that in some
of these leases that are almost unending
[57:56] currently. We would build that in by
statute in the minimum standards and the
[58:02] rules and regs stating
no individual airport lease can exceed
[58:09] a period of this amount of time without
written consent from the count the
[58:15] airport sponsor. All right. So, I'm I'm
letting you know this is the direction
[58:20] that I'm hoping to move us and we will
have many many discussions along the
[58:25] way, but this is uh
kind of I've been here a year now. I
[58:31] have a pretty good feel for for what's
going on out there, for which direction
[58:35] we're going. Um, and so we're going to
be having these these tougher
[58:42] discussions and tougher votes over the
next coming months. And I I realize that
[58:47] that's going to be right while we're
also prepping for an airline changeover.
[58:50] But um we've just got to get started now
and we feel like we're in a position
[58:55] where where we can finally we got a
stable staff and um
[59:02] you know so we're working hard on that.
Um
[59:05] » Sarah Sarah's been doing a great job.
>> So as you build this idea, great idea.
[59:10] Uh we also need the financial part of
it.
[59:13] » Yeah.
>> Uh you know the I you know the rules and
[59:17] regs I mean you got to have this
insurance that insurance and all these
[59:19] other insuranceances. Yeah. We need we
need to really say well what's the
[59:23] impact of that? No. Like when the FAA
does something, they say, "Hey, when
[59:27] they do A tob, they say, okay, it's
going to cost10 billion dollars to to do
[59:32] that, you know, and it's going to you
need to know the effect of
[59:36] » for sure
>> of because if you add a bunch of rules
[59:40] and regulations, a bunch of
insuranceances, that means that
[59:43] » well, people are going to pay more to
rent a hanger."
[59:46] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. We need to understand the B.
[59:49] » No. Yeah, they will. if if we had that.
But but we're not um look, we don't have
[59:53] to reinvent the wheel on on this. This
has been done at a lot of other other
[59:58] places. And frankly, it's just a rule.
If you're hangerkeepering,
[1:00:03] the FBA wants you to have hanger keepers
liability insurance. I
[1:00:08] » sure. for [clears throat] those that
don't have it. Now, I think what Bill's
[1:00:10] point is we need to know is now the rent
on Bill Winfield's airplane going to go
[1:00:15] up 100 a month or 500 a month, you know,
so that they can adjust that.
[1:00:19] » No, I agree. I agree. That's why this is
going to be a discussion point. Minimum
[1:00:23] standards don't get rewritten over the
course of a month.
[1:00:27] » They they get rewritten over the course
of a year. I mean, these are discussion
[1:00:32] points and some of them are heated. You
have public comment time. and we let
[1:00:36] everybody at the airport um have input
uh so that we make sure that we get the
[1:00:40] product out of it that is going to work
for the airport. All of that will be
[1:00:44] part of it. Is um is hangerkeepers
liability insurance going to increase
[1:00:52] the cost of that subletter? Probably if
they don't already have it.
[1:00:56] » Yeah. the the the secondary thing the
other thing I would make sure that you
[1:01:00] add in this is the idea of
uh are these some of these
[1:01:07] insuranceances when we looked at this a
year or two ago
[1:01:11] » some of the insuranceances weren't even
available you couldn't even get them
[1:01:14] » so we don't want to write something in
you can't get
[1:01:17] » no no no and that that's all part of it
like I said we don't have to reinvent
[1:01:20] the wheel here it's been it's been done
at other airports so we just look at at
[1:01:26] what they've and to find out what the
what the liability should be. I mean,
[1:01:30] some some some people request so much
liability that you couldn't get it no
[1:01:36] matter what. So, of course, we want it
to be reasonable. Um, and we want it to
[1:01:41] [clears throat] be correct for our for
our airport. So,
[1:01:43] » well, and some of the contention when
all that was going on before you arrived
[1:01:49] was based off of trying to require
insurance that was similar to what the
[1:01:53] FBO carried. And so there you had all
kinds of people that own Hangar, Mr.
[1:01:58] Bird, Mr. Holly, a bunch of people like,
whoa, whoa, whoa.
[1:02:01] » Yeah. If you require hund00 million of
single li single liability insurance,
[1:02:05] you're pricing everybody out of the
>> out of doing it. And [clears throat]
[1:02:10] like I said, to to require that just
means somebody didn't understand the way
[1:02:14] airports work. Um, and didn't understand
that other airports
[1:02:20] have kind of dialed that in where it
should be. So that's the problem you
[1:02:25] find is as we went out and serve
surveyed airports, we found a pottery of
[1:02:30] this and this and this and this and
this. There wasn't there wasn't an there
[1:02:34] wasn't a standard or international
standard for the survey.
[1:02:38] » No, you go to um you go to specific
airports. Um when I was doing Provo, I I
[1:02:43] used Jeffco as sort of my sample because
at the time we didn't have commercial
[1:02:48] service but we're growing um as my
sample. For us, we would use a larger
[1:02:56] um commercial service airport and we
would look at those. We we want to
[1:02:59] compare apples and apples.
So, but you're right, as Jud has stated
[1:03:04] in this meeting, if you look at one
airport, you've seen one airport.
[1:03:08] Everybody does it a little bit
different.
[1:03:10] » Um but but there are ways to dial
within.
[1:03:14] » Great. So I I I just wanted to as as we
start the discussion on this, I think we
[1:03:19] just need to uh try to identify all the
issues and try to address them. That's
[1:03:24] all it was.
>> I agree. And let me just say right now,
[1:03:26] I don't think that anybody in particular
on the airfield is is abusing it or
[1:03:30] doing anything particularly wrong. I
just get worried about the liability of
[1:03:34] it. Sure.
>> And um if we're not doing our part, you
[1:03:39] know, we need just need to do our part.
Yeah. Any questions about that?
[1:03:45] » Yeah,
>> we're gonna have a ton. Oh, you had
[1:03:46] something. Oh,
>> I did send an email for contacts and for
[1:03:50] people to send in their insurance forms.
I've literally gotten two back from all
[1:03:55] attendants at the airport. Um, so if we
can, you know, if you guys know, you
[1:04:02] know, people talking to them that we
don't have all of this year's current
[1:04:07] insurance paperworks for it. I mean,
there's work people that have airplanes
[1:04:11] on the field. Um, and maybe you might
have a little bit more
[1:04:16] maybe information or ability to push,
but yeah, I've gotten I've gotten two
[1:04:20] back.
>> So, so remind people that we need that.
[1:04:23] Um, yeah, we don't have contact
information for people that are actually
[1:04:27] that have hangers, they've moved or or
uh um that as we go through these
[1:04:32] leases, we just we just find layer upon
layer of stuff that we that we need to
[1:04:39] dig into. and we're going to it's just
going to this isn't going to this isn't
[1:04:44] going to be a six-month process. This is
going to take a while. So, bear with us.
[1:04:48] But the starting point is um
find out how to contact everybody. All
[1:04:55] right? Um it's hard for them to have
input if I can't notify them of a
[1:04:59] meeting, for example. Um, so
anybody you know at the airport,
[1:05:06] uh, some of you are out there more than
others, just tell them, please send
[1:05:10] Sarah their contact info so that we can
move on with that part. We're not trying
[1:05:15] to go after anybody. We just need to
know who's out there.
[1:05:18] » Plus, with all the construction, I want
to make sure that everybody gets a fair
[1:05:21] chance to know what's going on. I'd be
surprised if they show up one day like,
[1:05:25] "Oh,
>> hey, the whole lamp's torn apart." I
[1:05:27] mean we say we try to go okay
>> we sent out we sent out a blanket email
[1:05:33] » or six months I think our emails are
probably fairly accurate. I think people
[1:05:38] just haven't prioritized uh
>> moving them up. I think our emails are
[1:05:43] accurate because we do hear back
>> from time to time from people. Um,
[1:05:49] » oh, the other thing, the website, this
isn't about Lisa's. Sorry, I should have
[1:05:52] brought this up during, uh,
director's report, uh, the website. We
[1:05:59] have found out AJ was going to comment
on this, but Sarah and AJ have been kind
[1:06:03] of working together on how we can update
our our web page, our airport web page.
[1:06:08] Um, do you want to tell them? So
according as a map the uh Grand County
[1:06:12] took all the I guess external websites
and have made it where they go directly
[1:06:17] to the county website. So we cannot have
our own external website as of right
[1:06:21] now. Um but we are kind of hand tied on
what we can put on there basically by
[1:06:28] the way the Granite County website is
built. So, we will be getting with Matt
[1:06:33] at some point in it to kind of like make
ours a little bit nicer and things that
[1:06:38] we have posted on, they aren't showing
up. So, we're going to get with him and
[1:06:41] make sure that we understand, you know,
the website well enough that we can put
[1:06:46] more stuff on there.
>> So,
[1:06:48] » yeah, cuz right now when we change
something, it doesn't show up.
[1:06:51] » Yeah.
>> On on the actual site. We'll make the
[1:06:54] change exactly as told and then it
doesn't show up. We'll try and put a
[1:06:57] picture in. Not nice.
>> It didn't show up. Yeah. not not getting
[1:07:00] there. So, we're working our way through
that. But the one thing we know and I
[1:07:04] understand this them bringing everything
under one umbrella makes sense. You want
[1:07:08] to you if you want to centralize your
branding so that everybody's not all
[1:07:12] over the map, but we've got to figure
out a way that we can that we can update
[1:07:17] some things a little a little easier and
and AJ is the one that's been working on
[1:07:21] that from this point. So, we appreciate
uh his help with that. So, that's it for
[1:07:26] me. I'm long- winded.
Hey, Steve. It's Rachel.
[1:07:31] » Um, I just wanted to say thanks for um
the work you're doing on those leases. I
[1:07:36] think that's had to have been done a
long time. So, the time you're taking to
[1:07:41] get everything done with those. Um, I
really appreciate it.
[1:07:45] » Well, well, you're welcome. But let's
let's give a big thanks to Sarah as well
[1:07:50] and Chrissy from
>> Legal.
[1:07:54] » Yeah. because they they have uh been
working together to get a lot of this
[1:07:59] sorted out. Uh so yeah, I appreciate
that. We're we're really trying to get
[1:08:04] on this. I have
>> to say I have to give Jess a shout out
[1:08:07] because I can really see where she was
putting stuff together before I came and
[1:08:13] where she got to and she did a lot of
work on it also. So I will give her
[1:08:18] credit for credit
>> getting everything organized. Jess was
[1:08:22] doing very well right in the middle of
it. Um, and so luckily Sarah was able to
[1:08:26] see exactly where that was and pick it
up and go.
[1:08:29] » Good job, team. Way to go.
>> Thank you.
[1:08:36] All right. Uh, on the airport entrance
sign, not a lot has happened. We found
[1:08:41] out that there is a ordinance that
prohibits uh electronic signs in the
[1:08:47] county.
Uh, and it's unclear. So, we're
[1:08:52] researching what that means. Uh, it's
the city has an exemption right now. So,
[1:08:58] they can have digital signs, but the
county can't. Uh, so we're also looking
[1:09:05] still looking for funds and ways to go
forward. So, if anybody has any ideas,
[1:09:10] uh, I'll leave it on the agenda and
we'll talk about it in the future. Yeah,
[1:09:14] I would love it if there was some kind
of a way we could at least have it on
[1:09:17] during the day. Um, but this fight has
been fought before and uh didn't didn't
[1:09:27] » I I need to know about the fight that
fought that was
[1:09:29] » Well, I heard that that that another
company tried to put the sign in to see
[1:09:35] if they could get a sign and this was
years ago. This is when this ordinance
[1:09:39] first came out.
>> How old is the ordinance?
[1:09:42] I'm not sure how old the ordinance is.
>> You know,
[1:09:45] » I don't
It's not It's at least two commissions
[1:09:50] ago.
>> Oh, yeah. It's long time ago.
[1:09:52] » It's a long time ago. And it's based on
it's based on dark sky. Uh
[1:09:57] » and and so that when they wrote it
though, it just says no. It doesn't say
[1:10:02] only a day or only a night.
>> And whether it's a battle we want to
[1:10:05] find technology has improved to the
point now.
[1:10:09] » Yeah. There's a lot of questions. So you
can get
[1:10:12] » is that a fight?
>> Is that a fight we want to get into or
[1:10:16] just have a nice concrete
>> sign?
[1:10:19] » Yeah. Or do we? Yeah. So that I think
that's that.
[1:10:23] » I would love it if we could if we could
do that where we could put more
[1:10:26] information about flights on it and um
it would it would be great, but we'll
[1:10:32] just have to keep going down that road
and see where it leads.
[1:10:34] » Yeah.
Yep. All right. Uh
[1:10:42] I think that's about it. Uh for the that
we do have an thing on here for
[1:10:48] marketing. I think we covered that
pretty well.
[1:10:50] » Yeah, Bill covered that really well.
>> Howard talked a little bit about that.
[1:10:54] » I think what Bill didn't mention is that
Melissa Jeffers, our economic
[1:10:58] development director, is also um in that
loop now with that marketing money.
[1:11:04] she's the one uh trying to combine it
with some other money so that we can
[1:11:08] maybe magnify it. So yeah.
>> All right. Now who who uh I did have one
[1:11:14] question that goes to marketing and that
has to do with u
[1:11:20] who is who is the point for if we have a
newspaper article or a a construction
[1:11:28] project that completed successfully or
you know we want to you know do an
[1:11:33] entrance
>> who who is the point for getting that
[1:11:36] » from now on it's me.
>> Okay. Jeffers
[1:11:41] » and I'll work with Melissa
and uh
[1:11:44] » for press releases and that kind of
thing.
[1:11:46] » Yeah. Work with Howard and you know
we'll work with all the different
[1:11:49] entities but uh the point person will be
from now on.
[1:11:55] » Okay. Uh so we probably ought to do
something as far as contacting all the
[1:12:01] press and tell telling them that
>> send a press release out oh about that
[1:12:06] that they should be contacting me
directly. Well, okay. About marketing
[1:12:12] things, we do have a PIO at the airport
now or not the airport, but at the
[1:12:17] county, which is Melissa Jeffers. So,
she's the point person on on news items.
[1:12:23] I I thought you were just talking about
the direct marketing dollars. And
[1:12:27] » no, I'm talking about the press
releases.
[1:12:29] » Press releases. We'll go through me, but
we'll go through Melissa.
[1:12:33] » Okay.
>> Yeah. And so I'm just saying the press
[1:12:37] needs to know all that. I've I've seen
some
[1:12:41] » varying articles that have actually
disinformation in some of the articles
[1:12:45] and that's a little bit concerning that
we don't get a
[1:12:48] » that's not the fault of
the fault. I'm not going to call out the
[1:12:53] newspaper. I'll keep them.
>> No, that's okay. I'm just saying we need
[1:12:56] to have a they need to know that hey the
we're going to release something they
[1:13:01] feel what they said.
>> It should be it should be clear to
[1:13:04] everybody at this time that our PIO is
Melissa Jeffers. At least all of the
[1:13:07] media knows that for sure.
>> Okay.
[1:13:11] Great.
>> Y
[1:13:15] does everybody have anything else? Okay,
we're done. Call the meeting close at
[1:13:20] 5010.
Thanks everybody.
[1:13:26] Wednesday.