1 00:00:05,239 --> 00:00:27,109 [music] 2 00:00:27,119 --> 00:00:30,775 Heat. Heat. 3 00:00:30,785 --> 00:01:16,625 [music] 4 00:01:16,635 --> 00:01:28,950 » [music] 5 00:01:28,960 --> 00:02:05,429 » Heat. Heat. 6 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,280 Monday, July 6th. 7 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,800 Um, I know it says that we have two 8 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,319 presentations. We are actually going to 9 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,319 remove the cancer screening, have that 10 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:15,520 postponed to a future committee meeting, 11 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,800 and we're going to proceed with the 12 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,750 audit presentation. Mr. Lup, 13 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,680 » good evening, council. I have uh Mr. 14 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,840 Talowski here with the Kuzac and Company 15 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 CPAs. Uh, before uh we start the 16 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,319 presentation, I would just like to thank 17 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,720 our accounting supervisor, Liz Nelson, 18 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,560 and also our accountant, uh, Eric 19 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Munchie over here in the corner. uh just 20 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,080 for the great work they do uh throughout 21 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,360 the audit process. Um John, pass the mic 22 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,270 to you. 23 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,720 » I just want to start off by saying thank 24 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,080 you to the mayor and the city council 25 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,920 for having me here tonight and also to 26 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,239 um echo Derrick's comments on all the 27 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:53,680 help we received during the audit. 28 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Everybody that we work with here does a 29 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,959 really great job. We're really pleased 30 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:59,599 with the results overall. Um, so our 31 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:01,680 ultimate responsibility during the audit 32 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,440 is to be able to issue an opinion on 33 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,879 your financial statement as to whether 34 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,560 they're materially stated and whether 35 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,760 they're in compliance with generally 36 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,120 accepted accounting principles, 37 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,360 otherwise known as GAP. So our audit 38 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,440 takes place in three main phases. So our 39 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,040 first phase is our pre- audit phase. 40 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,440 This takes place in December. So during 41 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,800 this time, we review the internal 42 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,800 control processes. We test those 43 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,360 internal control processes. We perform 44 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,200 uh variance and budget analysis. We 45 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,200 review the council city meeting council 46 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,680 city meeting minutes and we complete our 47 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,000 internal risk assessment procedures. Uh 48 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,200 the next is going to be our audit 49 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,799 fieldwork phase. This takes place in 50 00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:36,959 mid-March. Uh we use the information 51 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:38,720 gathered in the pre- audit phase to plan 52 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 our audit audit programs and to test our 53 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,720 account balances to verify if they 54 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,879 appear materially stated. And the third 55 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,640 is our reporting phase where we review 56 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,920 the financial statements prepared by 57 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,680 your senior accountant and report on the 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,680 final results. So the financial 59 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,799 statements that you have in front of you 60 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,599 are a 79page document overall and they 61 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:57,439 consist of several major parts. So the 62 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:58,799 first major part is going to be on pages 63 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:00,879 1 through 8. That's your management 64 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:02,480 discussion and analysis. This is a 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,480 required un audited section of the 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,400 financial statements which summarizes 67 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,000 operating results and other financial 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,760 highlights during the year. So if you're 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,879 unfamiliar with the financial 70 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:12,959 statements, this is an excellent read. 71 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:16,320 Uh pages 9 through 11 auditors report. 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,919 This is where we issue our opinion on 73 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:19,919 the financial statements. It is 74 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:21,280 important to note that your financial 75 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:22,960 statements are presented on the fund and 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,120 account group level only exclusive of 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,639 the non-current governmental asset 78 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:28,720 account group. Uh I am pleased to say 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,160 that we have once again been able to 80 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,919 issue an unmodified opinion on your 81 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:33,440 financial statements. So this is 82 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,800 considered the highest level assurance 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,400 we can give you. It's considered a clean 84 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,560 report. We had no report on issues and 85 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,120 no findings during the audit. On pages 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,560 12 through 14, these are the 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,080 governmental fund balance sheets and 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,520 statement of revenues and expenditures 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,440 and changes in fund balance. So 90 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,120 approximated operating results for the 91 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,080 year ended December 31st, 2025. 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,160 The general fund had a deficit of $5.3 93 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,880 million. Water fund had a surplus of 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:06,070 $2.3 million primarily due to the PFAS settlements from 3M. 95 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,919 Uh the sewer fund had a surplus of 96 00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:09,759 285,000. 97 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,360 Recreation fund had a deficit of 98 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,280 591,000. 99 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:14,960 Special grants and revenue had a surplus 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,919 of 178,000. and your capital projects 101 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:19,840 fund have a deficit of $11 million 102 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,080 primarily due to capital expenditures 103 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,759 which will be funded with bond proceeds 104 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:26,160 going forward. So some highlights of 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,400 your 2025 general fund activity and 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,320 these are approximated figures. Your 107 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,400 prior year tax collections exceeded 108 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,199 expectations by 1.5 million. Casino 109 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,120 revenues exceeded expectations by 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,840 192,000. Property sales fell low 111 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,199 expectations by 2.6 million. Sales tax 112 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:45,039 revenue exceeded your expectations by 113 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:47,360 1.6 6 million insurance recoveries. 114 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,360 These exceeded expectation by 1.4 115 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,680 million and adult use cannabis revenue 116 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,720 fell below expectations by $212,000. 117 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,039 The city did receive $1.3 million in 118 00:05:57,039 --> 00:05:59,600 budgeted AIM funds and federal ARPA 119 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 funds utilized for the year were $8.5 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,400 million, $4.6 million of which were 121 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,919 taken as lost revenue in the general 122 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:08,080 fund. Um overall, we feel that 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,680 management does a great job managing 124 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,080 your reserves. Total uh fund balance in 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,560 the general fund is 13.7 million. That's 126 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,560 6.2 $.2 million of restricted fund 127 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,240 balance. Uh the details of the 128 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,759 restricted and assigned fund balance are 129 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:22,560 going to be on page 55 of the notes. 130 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,039 Your band borrowing increased by $16.2 131 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:28,160 million to fund capital projects. 132 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,319 There was an increase of $10.5 million 133 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,319 in the city's net pension liability. 134 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,360 This is for the underfunded ERS and PFRS 135 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,319 liabilities at year end. $8.5 million 136 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:43,120 for ERS and $44.8 million for PFRS. 137 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,639 Um there was in an overall so for 2024 138 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:49,440 the city elected the section 384E 139 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,000 benefits for police officers um this is 140 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,720 over a 10-year period at $910,000 per 141 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 year balance as of December 31st 2025 142 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,120 was $6.2 million. Your total OPED 143 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,639 liability for other postemployment 144 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:05,199 benefits this increased by $37 million 145 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,880 to $278 million. The OPED and the 146 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,479 pension liabilities are for Gazby 147 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:12,720 statements 68 and 75. These are required 148 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,000 to be recorded for your financial 149 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,080 statements. These are considered um 150 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,680 paper liabilities for lack of a better 151 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,120 term. These are required to be part of 152 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,400 your non-current um liability account 153 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,960 group. Page 14, that's going to be your 154 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,199 custodial fund. Um this is required by 155 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,680 Gazby 84. The custodial fund represents 156 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,360 your property taxes which have been 157 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,720 collected but not remitted yet. Um pages 158 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,720 17 through 61 of your financials. These 159 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,000 are the footnotes of your financial 160 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 statements. What these do is they detail 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,840 the significant county policies of the 162 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,440 city and also the material account 163 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,800 balances on the face of the financial 164 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,000 statements. Pages 62 through 68, these 165 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,080 are your required supplemental financial 166 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,000 information. These are your budget to 167 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,039 actual reports, your ERS, PFRS, pension 168 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:56,800 assets and liabilities and also your 169 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:03,909 OPED detail and related ratios. 170 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:06,479 Um pages 69 through 79, this is your 171 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:08,479 federal single audit. Since the city has 172 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:10,160 expended more than a million dollars in 173 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,440 federal funds, we're required to have 174 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,360 what's called a single audit. Total 175 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,800 federal expenditures for the year were 176 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,560 for 14.5 million. So, we are required to 177 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,720 rotate your major programs every third 178 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,440 year. Um, the major pro, excuse me, 179 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,879 major programs for this year were the 180 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:26,240 community development block grant and 181 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,680 the ARPA funds. Um, we did note that 182 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,680 during the audit we had no findings, no 183 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,519 material weaknesses and we were able to 184 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:35,200 issue an unmodified opinion overall. 185 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,719 also is also considered a planning 186 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:38,080 report on the fails in the water 187 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,640 portion. Remaining ARPA funds that were 188 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,240 required to be obligated by the city by 189 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,880 December 31st, 2024 required to be 190 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,279 expended by December 31st, 2026 and the 191 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:48,880 city is in the process. They have 192 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,320 obligated all those funds and they will 193 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,680 be paid by December 31st, 2026. Um from 194 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,200 an overall control and accounting 195 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,959 standpoint, we feel that there are very 196 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:58,720 good systems at the city, very good 197 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,480 people in place overall and that your 198 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,959 controls are operating as designed. Um 199 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:05,040 the only remaining item for our 2025 200 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,680 engagement is going to be the federal uh 201 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,240 Census Bureau form. That's the SFSAC. 202 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,680 It's to be filed with the Federal Census 203 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,040 Bureau. That will be done once the 204 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,320 financial statements are complete and 205 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,959 accepted. Um as I said, the audit went 206 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:18,320 very well. I know we have, you know, 207 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,240 other meetings meeting agenda items. So 208 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,760 if there's any questions, I could take 209 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,160 them at this point. 210 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,839 >> Thank you. Uh questions or concerns? 211 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:26,959 Council member Baron. 212 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:29,040 >> Thank Thank you for the detail summary 213 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,200 there. Thank you for you know the work 214 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,680 that you do and your office and thanks 215 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,920 to our finance department for their um 216 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,720 support. Um going back to last year when 217 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,959 we when we invite you to our budget u 218 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:43,920 present um presentation uh we you 219 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,920 mentioned to us that you were going to 220 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,600 do um an audit of the CDBG and the ARO 221 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,200 was that 100% audit or was that sample? 222 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,959 >> Well that's part of the federal single. 223 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:56,800 So the community development block grant 224 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,560 was one of our major programs that we 225 00:09:58,560 --> 00:09:59,839 were required to test because of the 226 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:01,760 size of the program. If the program 227 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,800 expended more than $750,000 in federal 228 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,720 funding and it was considered a higher 229 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,399 risk program, we have to select that 230 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,560 program. So that program was selected as 231 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:12,399 part of that federal sum. What we do is 232 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,279 we do various sampling techniques or um 233 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:17,839 you know testing procedures over those 234 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:20,000 funds. So we're not testing 100% of the 235 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,920 balances of all the activity that in 236 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,600 those funds. what we're doing is a 237 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,839 representative sample of the more 238 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:27,120 material items. So, we're looking at 239 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,440 material items within that grant. We're 240 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,959 also looking at the controls within that 241 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:33,360 grant to see if they're operating um as 242 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,120 designed and if we see any major flaws 243 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 in the program. So we felt that overall 244 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,959 the controls were operating as designed 245 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:40,959 and they were they were designed to 246 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:42,720 support the risk level that we had in 247 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,240 the office. So we had no major findings 248 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,920 or any problems with any of the 249 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,640 information that we 250 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,320 another question regarding I mean we 251 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,560 talk about this every year um to fix 252 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,600 that. Yes. Um I think you know we keep 253 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,440 asking you know how we going to do it. 254 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,399 made we discussed last year to start um 255 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:03,839 you know creating a list of inventory of 256 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:06,240 the asset the fixed asset in the city. 257 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Is that something that we can start into 258 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,560 next year? The council would like to 259 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,959 appropriate the money to do that 260 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:16,800 inventory and do it but a lot of it 261 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,399 is like a water and sewer system unless 262 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,000 we're going to look to sell it. 263 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,720 spending time and effort putting a value 264 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,920 on it really becomes uh an esoteric uh 265 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,240 effort. You're not there's no practical 266 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,440 application of it. 267 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,880 >> But based on the statement there, we're 268 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,519 not in compliance because you don't have 269 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:40,480 a fixed asset. 270 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,640 >> No, you you are in compliance with the 271 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,760 financial statements as they're 272 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,120 represented. So they're represented on 273 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,519 the fund level and the non-current 274 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,680 governmental liability account group 275 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,519 only. So we do not include the 276 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:54,000 non-current governmental asset account 277 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,519 group which would include the fixed 278 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,680 asset and any of the long-term assets. 279 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,680 So though we just don't report that as 280 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:00,959 part of the financial statements. So to 281 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:03,760 be fully GAS34 compliant which would 282 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,440 require you to have essentially two sets 283 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,800 of financial statements within your 284 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,000 financial statements. You would have one 285 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,839 at the fund level, you would have one at 286 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:12,079 the full governmentwide level and that 287 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:13,519 would include all assets, all 288 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:14,959 liabilities, everything that the city 289 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:17,839 has. So we chose years ago just not to 290 00:12:17,839 --> 00:12:20,079 report that um fixed asset count because 291 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:22,079 we didn't really have a way to value it 292 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:24,079 from a historical cost basis standpoint 293 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:25,680 and you'd have to not only value it, you 294 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,200 have to depreciate it as well. So all 295 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,760 the buildings, infrastructure, roads, it 296 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,200 would be a bit a large undertaking and really not a cost effective thing. 297 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,800 So I think at the time it was more cost 298 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,880 prohibitive to do that because why spend 299 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,480 the money when it wasn't required. So I 300 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,519 think that was always kind of the 301 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:42,320 approach to to that that fixed asset 302 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,399 account group. So we have a historical 303 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:45,839 we have an insurance value on those 304 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,120 which we do report in the financial 305 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,560 statements not the actual number but we 306 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,560 do report that these are these do have a 307 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,720 value so you do know where things are 308 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,000 that are insured your property is 309 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,680 insured so that's not an issue from that 310 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:57,279 standpoint but for the financial 311 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:01,600 statements it's just something that we never did because of the cost. So, so 312 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,600 we can substitute the insurance of 313 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,079 previous value instead of a company. 314 00:13:06,079 --> 00:13:07,440 >> You could, you could not. No, you would 315 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,440 have to go from a historical cost basis 316 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,040 and then depreciate those items and 317 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,040 track them on a full inventory 318 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,639 valuation. So, you'd have to essentially 319 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,079 go through the entire city. You could do 320 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:17,760 that. There's companies that do that, 321 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,760 but the cost to do that would have to be 322 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,440 done every year and kept up. You'd have 323 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,040 to manage the database of all of the 324 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,200 assets of the city. Um, and not only the 325 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,480 assets of the city. I mean, we're not 326 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,639 just talking fixed assets, buildings, 327 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,040 furniture, equipment, also the roads, 328 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,800 bridges, things that the city owns and 329 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 takes care of. One more uh question on 330 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,990 page 78 331 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 liability. Um, you have a line that 332 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,040 says, but the line is u probably 333 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,040 $580,000 334 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,560 or 335 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,240 with a large number like this. 336 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,279 >> Say page 78. 337 00:13:53,279 --> 00:14:03,189 >> 78. No, sorry. Sorry. Page 35. 338 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:04,240 » Sage 35. 339 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:15,750 >> 35. 340 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,519 You have a line listed here 341 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:21,440 uh with a with a value of almost 342 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,040 580,000. 343 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,839 Should that be um itemized rather than 344 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:28,880 lump into one line? I can show you. 345 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,800 >> Yeah. I don't know if it's because of 346 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,279 the front back there. 347 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,279 >> Yeah. So, see that right there that says 348 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:39,839 represents asset related liabilities. 349 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:41,839 So maybe I kept like this one rather 350 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:43,279 than just 351 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,440 >> we we could I mean we could itemize 352 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,800 those if we wanted to but I think 353 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,399 overall we just didn't feel like that 354 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,160 was material enough to finance things to 355 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,160 break those out individually because the 356 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,839 vast majority of it is the seized asset 357 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:55,920 funds. 358 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,600 So those would be items that are are 359 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,920 previously in the the old trusted agency 360 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,240 funds but that change that and move 361 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,680 everything into the general fund. So now 362 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,040 that has to merge into that number 363 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,320 that's that's primarily what that's 364 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,760 going to be. 365 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,600 >> Thank you. 366 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Like any other questions or comments? 367 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,320 >> Just to note, one additional item you 368 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,519 will have in the audit packet is the 369 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:17,680 post governance letter. That letter is a 370 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,199 required communication at the end of the 371 00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:21,279 audit. Um what it does is it it would 372 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,120 let city council know if we had any 373 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,560 disagreements of opinion with your 374 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,480 staff, any issues that we encountered 375 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,079 during the audit. And I'm pleased to say 376 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:30,079 that we had no issues during the audit. 377 00:15:30,079 --> 00:15:32,639 It's really just a formality boilerplate 378 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:34,079 stock language letter that we have to 379 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:35,279 issue at the end of the audit. So you 380 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:36,399 will see that as part of the audit 381 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,959 packet going forward. Thank you. Did you 382 00:15:38,959 --> 00:15:40,160 have your hands raised? Council member 383 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,480 Dor um so I had some questions. Thank 384 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,839 you again for being present. I 385 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:47,040 appreciate the detailed um synapsis. Uh 386 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,720 I did have similar concerns to council 387 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,720 member Varant. I know during our 388 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,959 previous budget cycle we had a sticking 389 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:55,360 point around the CDBG and Oracle funds. 390 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,279 Um I wanted to ask separately from my 391 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:00,639 already uh written down questions. 392 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,040 Is there any instance where something 393 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,639 that raises to a heightened level of 394 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,079 concern for the council, would that 395 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:08,079 prompt you to have a more detailed 396 00:16:08,079 --> 00:16:09,600 auditing process? So, what I'm 397 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,920 referencing is for the CDBG funds, there 398 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,199 was significant delays in getting 399 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:15,360 information back to the council um weeks 400 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,240 over weeks. Um not identifying that as 401 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,000 an issue, but there were some just 402 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,800 concerns raised from the council. Is 403 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,800 there any indication that we can make to 404 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 request a more comprehensive evaluation 405 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,040 of that um major funding report 406 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,720 >> from our audit standpoint? So, a lot of 407 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,839 times you know people hear the word 408 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:35,120 audit and they think that we might be 409 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,199 digging into every single transaction or 410 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:38,720 everything that's going on with that 411 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,639 specific grant. Typically, we're what 412 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:41,920 we're doing is we're looking at it from 413 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,320 a materiality standpoint. Is this large 414 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,079 enough and material enough to sway the 415 00:16:46,079 --> 00:16:48,160 judgment of a reasonable user? So, is a 416 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,519 person going to look at the information 417 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:50,800 that we're presenting? Are they going to 418 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,040 be swayed by that information? So the 419 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,320 numbers that we're presenting, will that 420 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,959 mislead them in any way? So part of our 421 00:16:56,959 --> 00:17:00,399 audit test of the CDBG fund is that as 422 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:01,759 we're going through those grant 423 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:03,759 documents, we're looking at to see if 424 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,000 are they spending the money within the 425 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,919 reasonable time frame. So there's a lot 426 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:09,839 of different compliance aspects that we 427 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,439 go through and we're required to by the federal regulations. You know, 428 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:14,640 are you spending it within the proper 429 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,079 time period? Are you spending it on the 430 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,439 proper um the proper budgeted items? are 431 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:20,959 you spending it in the proper categories 432 00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:22,720 or proper approvals things like that we 433 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,480 go through you know as part of audit so 434 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,199 it's not necessarily the delays and you 435 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:28,720 potentially getting the information it's 436 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,559 more of you know are you submitting the 437 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:32,320 requests on time to take the draw down 438 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,400 the funds are you submitting the request 439 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,080 you're purchasing are you submitting the 440 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,840 checks properly are you following the 441 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,919 processes that are designed within the 442 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:43,360 city um that's more of our concern from 443 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,080 that standpoint 444 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,760 >> and I would say glad you brought that up 445 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:46,960 because as you were highlighting 446 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,120 verifying the controls one of issues 447 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,600 were the encumbrances and how when the 448 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,120 years were closed, there would still be 449 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,120 open items that we were identifying here 450 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,280 as a council. Um there was lost 451 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,919 opportunities to recoup a lot of um 452 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:02,799 potential federal dollars and I'm 453 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,320 hesitant to see that there was not a 454 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,240 greater detail into that aspect. Is that 455 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,600 anything you can talk to? 456 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,960 >> I don't I don't know know if it was 457 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,400 necessarily I mean I would without 458 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,919 seeing the full detail of it I don't 459 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:13,760 know if it's necessarily not recouping 460 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,919 federal dollars. We just I think the 461 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:18,320 main issue that was at the root of that 462 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,480 was when we had talked to December as 463 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,280 well was just that the money wasn't it 464 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,799 wasn't spended it wasn't spent 465 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:27,120 immediately. So you do have a long 466 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,799 period of time for these block grant 467 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,919 funds to be spent. So there is you have 468 00:18:31,919 --> 00:18:33,679 5 years to spend them initially with 469 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,600 another three a three-year period to 470 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,280 obligate those funds. So you have three 471 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,640 years to oblige them and then five years 472 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,799 to expend ultimately eight years from 473 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:42,640 the inception of that grant to the end 474 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,480 of the grant to disperse those funds for 475 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,160 their intended purpose. So if some of 476 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,840 those funds are ultimately never used, 477 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,600 they get cycled back into those fund 478 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,440 codes and then they can be reused in 479 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,120 later years for different projects. And 480 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,520 that was part of uh my audit when I 481 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,720 dealt with the development department 482 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,559 and interviewed the individuals that I I 483 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,240 sat with. We went through their systems 484 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,600 and they showed me exactly how it 485 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,799 worked. I went through walkthrough 486 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,880 examples. So it was going through a lot 487 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,160 of different examples of how do you do 488 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,760 this? How do you do that? And how do you 489 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,280 get how do you how do you get across 490 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,679 this issue with potentially not spending 491 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:13,039 the funds on time? But I think they had 492 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,280 a really they had they had a really good 493 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,000 um handle over what was going on overall 494 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,600 and and it's in and identifying those 495 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,760 funds and and expending them. But there 496 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,039 might have been a little bit of a gap 497 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:24,880 that concerned the city council, you 498 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,320 know, in the past, but that wasn't 499 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,240 something we're looking at a a period in 500 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,520 time which might not necessarily be 501 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,440 representative of the time period you're 502 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,200 looking at. So, I don't know if that 503 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,640 answers your question, but it's more of 504 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,360 I'd have to see the actual full detail 505 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:38,559 of what was going on. 506 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,160 >> Okay. Um, and then just a comment to 507 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,679 that last question. So, we would be able 508 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:43,840 to still send you kind of inquiries or 509 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,760 questions to review after this. Oh, 510 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,400 >> absolutely. Yeah. 511 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,240 >> Perfect. Thank you. Um, so final 512 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,600 question would be regarding the tax uh 513 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,000 consortios. It should be page 46. 514 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,960 Let's go there. 515 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,360 Uh it was in long-term debt continued 516 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,559 and it was just talking about how the 517 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,320 proceedings we're currently at 4.2 518 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,799 million give or take some thousands of 519 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:10,400 dollars. Um we appear to be receiving 520 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,080 more of those. We'll be discussing 521 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,799 another one tonight. Is there a balance 522 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:16,160 that you would recommend for a city of 523 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,919 our size and there should be like 524 00:20:17,919 --> 00:20:20,640 evaluation to understand equalization 525 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,960 rate within our city or is that anything 526 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,120 you 527 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,640 >> feel? I'm sorry. Are you talking about 528 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,640 the taxes receivable 529 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,960 >> uh concerns your proceedings? 530 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,640 >> Oh, okay. Um I mean is there if there's 531 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,919 a certain balance that I I don't know if 532 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:35,919 there's necessarily a certain threshold 533 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:37,440 that you reach because a lot of these 534 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,440 here, you know, these are these are just 535 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,600 our best estimate at the time. So your 536 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,440 financial statements incorporate the 537 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,159 entire aspect of estimates. So these 538 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:47,840 estimates are these these are the cases. 539 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,120 This is our potential settlement. 540 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,120 Whether that goes forward or not, we 541 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,720 really don't know at the time. So, we're 542 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,280 just putting our our best estimate forth 543 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,600 to try to capture that value of what we 544 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,880 think it's going to be going forward. 545 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,400 That that might change dramatically 546 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,919 going forward. You know, it could go up, 547 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:03,280 it could go down. It depends on what's 548 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,440 going on during the year. So, to really 549 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,720 I mean, I think that balance right there 550 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,679 is something that is definitely 551 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:09,200 something that we look at during audit. 552 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,720 We pull a sample of that and look at the 553 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,799 tax rates. We look at the documentation 554 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:14,480 that's coming through the department as 555 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,640 well. So, that is definitely an account 556 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,480 that we look at. 557 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,400 >> Thank you. Are there any other questions 558 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,480 or comments? All right, Councilman 559 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,480 chairs, can you just quickly like 560 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,400 briefly speak to the bond rate that we 561 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,440 received the A+ rating for um the serial 562 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,159 bond application? 563 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:31,840 >> Yeah, so those those ratings are put out 564 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,080 by the bond rating agency. So you have 565 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Moody's and then standard reports. They 566 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,159 put those out individually. So we obtain 567 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,880 a copy of that report um from finance 568 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,559 and they each have an individual report. 569 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,400 I think I might have these mixed up, but 570 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,960 I one was Moody's in 2021 and the most 571 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,559 recent one in I think I think it was 572 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:54,400 recent 2026. So, the uh other thing I was looking for 573 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,520 here and of course I couldn't find it 574 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,799 when I was reviewing a little earlier 575 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,640 for private investments and equitable 576 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,200 holdings. It says that I audit is not 577 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,039 required um through your Let me see is 578 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,720 I'm not I guess I misunderstood because 579 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,159 I know that at some point the state does 580 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,520 require an audit for any private 581 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,919 investment holdings for deferring 582 00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:15,280 payments or um pensions or liabilities. 583 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,600 So, I'm just confused why it's not 584 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,440 required and I was trying to find it 585 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,400 here to give you a page number and I 586 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:20,880 couldn't. 587 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,720 >> Yeah. No, if I knew exactly where you 588 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,840 were looking at, I could speak more to 589 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,880 it, but I don't know if you're talking 590 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,480 about view the Gazby liabilities, the pension liabilities for the RSC. 591 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,919 So, those valuations are actually done 592 00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:34,000 by New York State. So, those those 593 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,600 valuations are done by the actuaries at 594 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,960 New York State. We receive the reports 595 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,720 from them. So they're doing this 596 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,480 valuation on the entire pension system, 597 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,400 whether it's overfunded, underfunded, 598 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,919 and then your respective portion of that pension system. So you might be at 599 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:50,240 1% of the entire state's pension system. 600 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,039 But that's going to be your 601 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,120 representative liability should the 602 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,120 pension system theoretically fail, 603 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,799 >> right? And but for the city's part of it 604 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,480 for that's wondering for you. I know the 605 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,240 state does their own, but for us, right, 606 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,760 for going through process, making sure 607 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,840 that we don't have any unnecessary post 608 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,760 uh postemployment benefits going out 609 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,600 that shouldn't be. I was just confused 610 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,520 why we didn't look into that as well. 611 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600 >> That's not so the other post employment 612 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,280 benefits that's also an actuarial 613 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,799 evaluation that's done by an outside 614 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:16,559 consultant as well. So as part of our 615 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,159 audit, what we do is we're doing an 616 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,400 assessment on the use of specialists. So 617 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,400 whether that be New York State or um you 618 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,679 know any of the specialist that you're 619 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:26,559 using for your gas 75 reports, they have 620 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:28,320 a separate entire report that they do 621 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,919 and they those companies specialize in 622 00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:32,400 only doing those valuation reports. So 623 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,840 we're relying on the information that's 624 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,280 in there you know given the risk 625 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,720 assessment of that company. So they 626 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,200 these might be a very large company like 627 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,760 cornfairy or you know some plans like 628 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,360 pen flex things like that. 629 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,880 >> Appreciate you. 630 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,880 >> Any other questions or comments? Hearing 631 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,000 none. Thank you again for the 632 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,640 presentation. 633 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,360 >> Thank you. 634 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,799 >> There's any questions you have please. 635 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,720 >> Thank you sir. Mr. President will have 636 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,640 to move. We'll have to add an item on 637 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,679 the under finance to move it. 638 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,120 >> Uh the first committee call to order 639 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,520 will be finance. 640 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,440 >> Thank you. I would like to call the 641 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,200 finance committee to order. The first 642 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,200 item is a rescue one replacement 643 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:22,630 purchase chief. 644 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,919 » Good evening, Mr. President, council 645 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,080 members, Mr. Mayor Corporation council. 646 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,400 Uh before you tonight is the request to 647 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,200 replace Rescue One. Uh Rescue One is our 648 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,799 little leng I say little, it's our 649 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,559 smaller apparatus that has two 650 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,200 paramedics, does about 5,000 calls plus 651 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,200 a year. So it's is the busiest rig in 652 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,120 the city. It's also one of the busiest 653 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,919 rigs in the nation. Uh we bid this out. 654 00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:46,400 Uh the winning bidder was and the only 655 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,240 bidder was Premier Fire Apparatus 656 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Incorporated. Total cost is $235,500 657 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320 which we have capital uh expenditure 658 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,000 for. Um that includes two service 659 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,080 preventive maintenances a year and a 660 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,559 5year bumper-to-bumper warranty. It is 661 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,840 an F350 with a 10-ft box on it. Uh the 662 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320 current rescue one has 67,000 m on it. 663 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,120 usually replace it around 70,000 but due 664 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,039 to the length of time to manufacture 665 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,440 this uh I believe Premier said we get it 666 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,720 about March of 27 and then settling the 667 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,799 local 28 contract with two additional 668 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:22,960 members a day would be assigned to a 669 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,880 rescue rig we mean that rig a little bit 670 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,039 early. So rescue one will become rescue 671 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,120 2, rescue three that we have now will be 672 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,880 our backup rig for when something 673 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,640 unfortunately does break down and then 674 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,000 this new rig will be our rescue one. 675 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 >> Are there any questions? I'll move it. 676 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:38,640 >> Second. 677 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,840 >> Seeing none, may we have a motion to 678 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,640 move this? 679 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,120 >> Move it. 680 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:41,600 >> Second. 681 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000 All in favor? I. Thank you, J. 682 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,120 >> Thank you. 683 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,039 >> The next item is the bulletproof vest 684 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:54,310 partnership grant. 685 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,549 Good evening everyone. Good evening. 686 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,120 All right. Uh I'm here tonight to 687 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,520 present on our bullet bulletproof vest 688 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,640 partnership. Um, 689 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,200 it started in 1998 uh by the Department 690 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,200 of Justice. It provides critical 691 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,799 resources to state and local law 692 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,559 enforcement. Uh, this year we've been 693 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,710 awarded $19,32527. 694 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,440 Um, through the Bureau of Justice 695 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,600 Assistance. Um, there were 696 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,120 over 80 pages of awards, but if you uh 697 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,120 if you printed it all out, New York is 698 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,039 between page 50 and 54. Um, It's not 699 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:38,480 really an award letter. It's literally 700 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,080 just the city of Skenctity with the 701 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,120 award amount of 19,300. 702 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,880 Um, 703 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,279 so what this is going to go for is about 704 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,480 20 or so new vests. Um, how this works 705 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,520 is ultimately, uh, this covers about 50% 706 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520 of the vests. We cover the other half 707 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,360 and as soon as we pay the other half, 708 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,200 the state reimburs us for that amount. 709 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,960 So ultimately it's no dollars out of 710 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,840 pocket in the end. 711 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,760 >> All right. Any question? Seeing none, 712 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,200 may I have a motion to move this item 713 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,720 forward? 714 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,120 >> Second. All in favor? I. Thank you. The 715 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,600 next item is a gift grant. 716 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,390 >> Thank you. 717 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,440 » All right. And [clears throat] this is a 718 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,919 grant. I believe it is our 13th year 719 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:27,360 running. Um the Gun Involved Violence 720 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:31,360 Elimination Partnership. Um give it's 721 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,120 funded by New York State Criminal uh 722 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,039 Justice Services, DCJS. the grant 723 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,679 application. Uh it's a partnership 724 00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,240 between us, the county district 725 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,279 attorney's office, uh county probation, 726 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,520 and the county sheriff's office. The 727 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,559 total grant award is uh a little over 728 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,960 1.1 million. Of that, the Skenctity 729 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,799 Police Department is going to receive 730 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,310 46693 731 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,120 uh excuse me, $466,193. 732 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,960 Um 733 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 it if you remember from last year I 734 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520 think it only went up maybe like 10 or 735 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,120 $15,000 736 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,440 um approximate and that's just due it's 737 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,960 basically the same grant. It's just due 738 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200 to uh salary increases that they 739 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840 requested and this uh also has no 740 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,520 matching funds from the city. 741 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,360 Are there any questions? Seeing none 742 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,720 they have a motion to move this item 743 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,279 forward. 744 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,080 >> I'll move it. 745 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,559 >> Second. 746 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,600 All in favor? I the next item is 747 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,760 the SPD budget amendment. 748 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,600 >> All right. So, this one um is not a 749 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 grant. We are actually asking uh 750 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320 permission to make some modifications to 751 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,559 our current 2026 uh departmental budget. 752 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,120 Um the proposed adjustments pertain to 753 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,799 personnel allocations and position 754 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,960 related changes within the department. 755 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,200 Um just to accurately reflect our 756 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,840 current staff and operational needs. 757 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,960 One of them would be the field in the 758 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200 field services bureau FSB the assistant 759 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 chief would be uh moved to a deputy 760 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,080 chief in professional services bureau 761 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760 the deputy chief would move to a 762 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,039 lieutenant um and in the administrative 763 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,200 services bureau we are looking for an 764 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080 IPS4 position to move to a payroll 765 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,039 clerk. Uh all in all with these three 766 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:26,960 movements um there is a uh net savings 767 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,990 to the city that comes along with it. So 768 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,600 » do you have the dollar amount for the 769 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,799 net savings? 770 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,080 >> Um I 63 771 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,600 >> was it 63? I I have broad numbers here. 772 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,840 I don't think these are specific but 773 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,440 >> two numbers J. one that would be the 774 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600 savings this year and then on an 775 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,720 annualized basis 776 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,960 or 63,000 777 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000 >> I can get it uh I can get it to you but 778 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,679 I know the general amounts uh the 779 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:03,279 assistant chief to deputy chief it's 780 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,320 about $4,500 savings. I think it's just 781 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,520 a hair less than that. It might be 782 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,120 around 43. Um the deputy chief to 783 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880 lieutenant it's going to show an 784 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,840 approximate savings of about 40,000. 785 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Um, and then 786 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720 this current year only 20 cuz we're more 787 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,799 than halfway through. And then the IPS 788 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,480 board to the payroll clerk uh is about a 789 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,399 10,300 790 00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:29,200 savings. 791 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,640 >> Okay. Thank you. If you don't mind, you 792 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480 can share those numbers with us. 793 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,960 >> Getting the specifics. Yes, of course. 794 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,039 >> Are there any other questions? Go ahead, 795 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:37,440 please. 796 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,279 >> Thank you. So, are there individuals I 797 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:40,640 need to know who are there individuals 798 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,960 that are in these positions now? 799 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,279 So how this uh how this kind of broke 800 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,159 down, I can give you the the the broad 801 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,799 cliff version is uh as far as the 802 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,799 assistant chief moving to a deputy chief 803 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,000 on under chief Clifford uh he ultimately 804 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200 wanted the staffing levels to look like 805 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,039 this having a chief, an assistant chief 806 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,240 and then three deputy chiefs. Um 807 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,399 we did some analyzation within chief 808 00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:11,360 football doesn't see the need to have um 809 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,799 he thinks resources could be better 810 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,640 spent elsewhere. So we don't see the 811 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,399 need to have that third deputy chief. So 812 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,559 he wants to reduce it down to one chief, 813 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:19,840 one assistant chief, and two deputy 814 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,181 chiefs. 815 00:31:21,181 --> 00:31:21,360 >> [snorts] 816 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,240 >> Um, as far as the professional services 817 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,960 bureau, um, the position originally was 818 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080 held by a lieutenant and we don't see 819 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,159 the need for it to be held like there 820 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:35,919 was a captain in there who was promoted 821 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:37,679 to deputy chief. We don't see the need 822 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,200 for it to be held anywhere higher than 823 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,120 the lieutenant. It can be handled at the 824 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,120 lieutenant level. 825 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,000 Um, and 826 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,279 as far as the IPS4 goes, um, currently 827 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:50,799 we have a person in the position. 828 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:55,279 There's no IPS4 list. The person is 829 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,840 pretty critical part of our department. 830 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,159 Um, they unfortunately failed the test 831 00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,799 twice and due to the rules, they can no 832 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,880 longer hold that position as an IPS, 833 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,799 right? So, we're asking to knock it back 834 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,399 down to a payroll clerk given the fact 835 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,640 that there's no uh there's no active 836 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,399 list. So, thank you. Go ahead, 837 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:14,960 >> please. 838 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,320 >> And I think it's worth noting, I know 839 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,000 you're not chief liberal, but sincerely, 840 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,519 one of the concerns that I had with the 841 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,760 individual assuming these duties as in 842 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880 chief of the police in the sky was the 843 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,480 financial budgetary constraints that 844 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,519 were outlined. Um, and truly up to this 845 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,519 point of the year, he's been very uh 846 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,440 innovative and open-minded to how we can 847 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,840 work within the means. And I'd like to 848 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240 at least make clear I appreciate that. I 849 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080 know it can imagine it's very 850 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960 challenging. Um, but due to the [cough] 851 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,159 concerns throughout the community, I 852 00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:45,440 think he's been able to do that rather 853 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,039 well. So, 854 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,360 >> I'll pass that along. Thank you. Are 855 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,600 there any other questions? Seeing none, 856 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,880 we have a motion to move this item 857 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480 forward. 858 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,960 >> Second. 859 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,039 All in favor? I thank you. Uh, 860 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,480 >> the next item is home ARP 861 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,159 substantial amendment. 862 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,399 Perfect. 863 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:14,630 It's all yours. 864 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,399 is 865 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:20,000 on uh Alexandria Congress. She is out 866 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,240 this week. She asked me to stand in. So 867 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,559 we are proposing a substantial amendment 868 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,919 to our consortium our home consortium 869 00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:32,000 home arc American rescue plan funding 870 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,519 uh based on the needs that we have seen 871 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,320 over the past few years that there's a 872 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,440 greater need for funding for non non 873 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,679 congregate shelter activities than there 874 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:45,919 are for some of these other activities 875 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:49,039 and we are we are looking to reassign 876 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,760 funding from one category to another 877 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,519 category. We're going to we would like 878 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,120 to reallocate $344,224 879 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,880 from tenant based rental rental 880 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200 assistance to non- congregate shelter 881 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640 activities. Uh 260,000 from supportive 882 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,480 services to non- congregate shelter 883 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960 activities. And 884 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,119 last year we received an amended home 885 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,520 award of $5,729. 886 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,399 Apparently, HUD decided to make a they 887 00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:19,839 made a mistake originally a few years 888 00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:23,280 ago and gave us another $5,729. 889 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,879 We'd like to reallocate all three of 890 00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:28,079 those to the non- congregate shelter 891 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:34,310 activity. 892 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,639 Are there any questions regarding this 893 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,310 item? 894 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,839 » See, may I have a motion to move this 895 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:43,679 item forward? 896 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,679 >> So, second 897 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,760 Hold on. Since this is a substantial 898 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,119 amendment, do we need to call for a 899 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,800 public hearing on this? 900 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,760 >> Um, do they have a uh does HUD require a 901 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,320 public hearing? 902 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960 >> We will, right? This is anticipation of 903 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,760 I'm assuming. 904 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,560 >> Oh, okay. So, next next Monday's 905 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,920 >> All right. So, you're calling for a 906 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,560 public hearing call for the substantial 907 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,079 amendment. Okay. 908 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,920 >> So, a motion to call for public hearing. 909 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,280 I'll move it. Second. 910 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,960 >> All in favor? I. 911 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,040 >> Thank you. Thank you. 912 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,230 >> Thank you. 913 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,359 The next item is review amending section 914 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:20,880 186-25 915 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,800 Central Park tennis court fees and 916 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,000 reservation system. Mr. 917 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,320 >> Yes, thank you. Um, tennis court fees 918 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,680 have been a matter of discussion for a 919 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,839 number of weeks um at the council. Um, 920 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:33,520 it's definitely something that leaves a 921 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,440 lot of our organizations impacted and a 922 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,680 sense of worryment. Uh, we heard from a 923 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,200 very impactful community just 924 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,880 identifying some of the issues with the 925 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,839 current proposed fees. I can speak for 926 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:45,599 the conversations that I've had. Uh it 927 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,480 definitely appears that um there's a lot 928 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,280 of apprehension to any increases beyond 929 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,359 the 2022 930 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:55,119 um adopted fees which haven't been 931 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,599 collected on. Um so at this point I 932 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,160 think it's abundantly clear that we do 933 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,119 not have a consensus any which way. Um 934 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,720 so I'd like to pull the rest of the 935 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,560 council. Uh I think at this point my 936 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,720 recommendation would be to allow the 937 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,040 current fees to stand and see what 938 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,079 adjustments we need to make to 939 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,079 incorporate the gates uh if anything 940 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,400 else um and allow those to be collected 941 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,640 on. I want to wait to hear any comments 942 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,160 or questions but also would like to get 943 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,760 an update from the mayor corporation 944 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,680 council on the status of the signed 945 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,630 contract. 946 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:28,800 I'm 947 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,720 >> ready to sign it. So 948 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,760 >> you can sign it. 949 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,520 That was easy. 950 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:48,470 There's your 951 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,190 sorry 952 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,760 go ahead please. 953 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,230 >> I'm looking at you guys. 954 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,480 » No. So with that, so still don't have a 955 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,079 signed contract, but I think definitely 956 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,920 giving the perception of what direction 957 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,440 we'd like to move as a council. I think 958 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,800 rather than having just a continuous 959 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,040 circular conversation, I know we all 960 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,200 received an email from the USA just 961 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,160 outlining some of the learned lessons 962 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,240 throughout the first month. I think 963 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,839 there's a lot of room for improvement. 964 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:22,000 So I think rather than kind of placing a 965 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,240 greater burden on the city beyond the 966 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,520 individual that's currently maintaining 967 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,599 that system and implement in inputting 968 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,440 accounts I think it is definitely more 969 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,760 responsible just to continue in a pause 970 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,320 setting but recognizing that there are 971 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,839 fees that currently exist in the code is 972 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:40,400 allowing those to continue and then once 973 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,000 the contract is signed then we can 974 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,310 collect 975 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,520 any 976 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,880 Go ahead, please. 977 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,640 >> For um as we discussed from the last 978 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,560 committee meeting and council meeting 979 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,400 and the mayor has made all that we're 980 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480 able to adjust those fees as we need to 981 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,079 correct based on the system that we 982 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,200 would be signing into. So current fees 983 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,800 would stay inside the structure that you 984 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,119 already put in place back in 2022. And 985 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,040 if the council makes the choice to make 986 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,880 the amendment later this summer, we're 987 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,720 still able to make that adjustment to 988 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,280 the fees as we so see with legislation 989 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,280 collaboration with your office. And I 990 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,560 quite understand what you're saying. 991 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,400 There's a fee structure on the books. 992 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,359 You have to 993 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,280 >> right adjust that if you want, 994 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,079 >> right? But we're 995 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,520 >> And then there were recommendations made 996 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560 over the weekend, too, which may build 997 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:35,520 in some free play and it reflects the 998 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,920 uh demand cycle where there's periods of 999 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,560 time during the day that the more people 1000 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680 there. And so to balance that out, 1001 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,440 that's when the fee structure would be 1002 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,280 put in place. and it's slower and 1003 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,760 there's not that level of utilization 1004 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,160 that it would basically be free. 1005 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,000 >> You answer. Thank you. 1006 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,240 >> Go ahead, please. 1007 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:05,040 >> I'm So, Mr. President Williams, please. 1008 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,599 So, right now we're on pause. You want 1009 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,359 the pause to continue throughout the 1010 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:13,040 year? No. or start right away with the 1011 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,200 2022 fees for non-residents 1012 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,760 and residents alike. 1013 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,720 >> Go ahead, please. 1014 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,400 >> You start after the contract signed, 1015 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,470 >> right? 1016 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,230 » I I 1017 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,960 was hoping to to look forward to uh what 1018 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,800 we got from Amber this weekend on the 1019 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,720 USA. Um because I was always open to 1020 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,359 some free time. um which I think is 1021 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,280 important for young families and and 1022 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,280 individuals to come out. But um I I you 1023 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,800 know and her fees were that she 1024 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,520 recommended. I don't know if any members 1025 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,280 um outside of the council and the mayor 1026 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,880 and corporation council received them, 1027 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,400 but I I thought they were pretty 1028 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,119 reasonable for what she wanted to do uh 1029 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,800 what she recommended. But um if you'd 1030 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,880 like to go ahead 1031 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960 with the piece from 2020 after the 1032 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,880 contract signed. 1033 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,800 >> Yes. 1034 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,920 Oh, go ahead. 1035 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,320 >> So, it's not that I I would choose to 1036 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160 neglect her words and comments. I think 1037 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,440 every email we've gotten, I've 1038 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,320 definitely followed up with those 1039 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,000 individuals. I appreciate all the input 1040 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000 we've received regarding this topic. I 1041 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,760 think it's acknowledging that the reason 1042 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,599 why we continue to hear and get these 1043 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,680 emails is because there hasn't been any 1044 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,920 switches or incorporating their feedback 1045 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,400 into our direction. So, I'm hedging that 1046 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,960 there will be no four votes any which 1047 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,520 way. And if not, just giving a clear 1048 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,920 message to all users of this facility 1049 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,520 that should we not be able to reach a 1050 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,000 consensus, the fees stay the same. And 1051 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,680 then as soon as the contract is signed, 1052 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,040 then the mayor will be able to collect 1053 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,680 on those. But I'm all open to any 1054 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,119 comments or opinions. I'm just going to 1055 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:51,839 vote. 1056 00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:57,270 >> I'd like to hear from 1057 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,400 say I mean I understand what you're 1058 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,839 saying. I I want to be very clear in 1059 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,599 saying that I would be perfectly fine as 1060 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:02,720 we continue to bring in that 1061 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,839 information. I thought it was a very 1062 00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,000 helpful email and another suggestion as 1063 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,839 well to take into account of the fee 1064 00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,560 structure. Um I was on record asking the 1065 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000 mayor if he was okay with holding the 1066 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,560 pause up uh excuse me maintaining the 1067 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640 pause that he put in place um for the 1068 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,079 fee structure as we continue to work 1069 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,160 through this. Um I'm sure he would hate 1070 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,480 to do such but I would have no problem 1071 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,839 continuing as we work through it so we 1072 00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,280 can kind of come to a final resolution 1073 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,190 on this situation. 1074 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,599 » Go ahead please. Um, I think that we 1075 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,119 should move forward with the 2022 1076 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,480 amounts. You know, they were put in 1077 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040 place by previous council members. And I 1078 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,240 think that while we continue to go 1079 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,359 around and around in a circle, um, I 1080 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,920 think that at least it lets 1081 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040 the um, we can make the adjustments to 1082 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,640 the code like Mr. O'Brien had outlined 1083 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,400 and then we can always change the fee 1084 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,190 structure by resolution. 1085 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,839 » RD, any other questions? 1086 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,520 Okay. 1087 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,079 So, this is this is going to be put on 1088 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,359 pause until 1089 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:09,280 is that what you're recommending for 1090 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,800 that? 1091 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,319 >> I'm not recommending we do anything. So, 1092 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,160 if there's no clear direction that the 1093 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,000 council's willing to take, um I continue 1094 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,880 to make myself like available not just 1095 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,880 um in person, but also by email and 1096 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,640 phone just to ensure that this community 1097 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,480 feels that they have a strong advocate 1098 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,880 and not minimizing any actions any other 1099 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,480 council members are taking, but I think 1100 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,760 we have to be very honest and 1101 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,040 transparent whether the council is going 1102 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,880 to make a direction. Um I'm always 1103 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960 willing to take in any feedback to 1104 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,640 ensure that our actions don't negatively 1105 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520 impact like our users, our end users of 1106 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,839 our determinations. Um and it's apparent 1107 00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:44,720 that proceeding with the recommendations 1108 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,720 um beyond the code is going to have a 1109 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,640 financial impact 1110 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040 barring people from not only using these 1111 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,640 facilities but also still being members 1112 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,079 of these organizations and that's 1113 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,800 something I am not in agreement with. Um 1114 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880 my opinion initially was to withhold any 1115 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,040 fees for um but knowing that that has 1116 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,599 less consensus around it. Uh, I think at 1117 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,200 this point this is just acknowledging 1118 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,359 that if we're going to continue on this 1119 00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,864 path, I would like to hear a 1120 00:43:11,864 --> 00:43:14,069 [clears throat] 1121 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,800 I'd like to to hear a strong opinion 1122 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,240 that people are going to be interested 1123 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,400 in swaying beyond their initial 1124 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,200 opinions. If not, I would prefer that we 1125 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,960 stop kicking this can down the road to 1126 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,119 Councilman Inger's point and just allow 1127 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,000 this to continue on. 1128 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,079 >> Are any other question, comments, 1129 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,560 concern about this item? 1130 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,480 Okay. The next item um I have to add is 1131 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,319 to under the finance committee accept 1132 00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:43,119 the 2025 audit. May I have a motion to 1133 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:47,119 accept the 2025 audit? 1134 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:47,839 >> Move it. 1135 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:48,160 >> Second. 1136 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,680 All in favor? 1137 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,880 >> I. Thank you. A motion to adjurnn on 1138 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,520 finance committee. 1139 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,200 >> Move it. Motion to 1140 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,119 >> second. All in favor? 1141 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,480 >> I thank you. Council, can you call to 1142 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:10,390 order the publication? Sure. Thank you. 1143 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,200 » I'd like to call Health and Recreation 1144 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440 to order. We have one item on the 1145 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440 agenda. 1146 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,240 Central Park Pool illumination project 1147 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:34,069 old pool list. 1148 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,359 Good evening. Um, so I was requested to 1149 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:39,680 come. I don't I know we brought this 1150 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,839 forward to award 1151 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,599 um the session before was not awarded. I 1152 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:46,960 don't know if you have any questions on 1153 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,800 the pool, what we're going to do in the 1154 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,359 pool. I know I did get an email to ask 1155 00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,079 if there were some um bacteria in the 1156 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,560 current pool. 1157 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,040 is just a black top 1158 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,119 sweep. Um, years ago it was a mud pond. 1159 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,760 It was a swimming hole. It was rain. It 1160 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,400 was black put on the bottom. City water 1161 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560 put in. Now it gathers water. It's 1162 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,160 lowest spot in the park. So it will 1163 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,440 gather rain water, snow melt. Um, as 1164 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,920 that water sits there, animals, 1165 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,400 creatures, turtles, bucks are notorious 1166 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,520 geese, they're in there. um whatever 1167 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,079 other animal you know is on the edge 1168 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,599 rainwater washes and whatever their 1169 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,400 droppings are on goes into that water. 1170 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,280 So is it contaminated? I don't like the 1171 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,839 word contaminated. Is it got some things 1172 00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:39,680 in there we don't want to swim in or 1173 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,599 Yes. So there is you know 1174 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,000 some area of concern with regards to 1175 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,319 it's just a 1176 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:51,359 it's a trap for water and any other you 1177 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:54,160 know animals who want to go in and leave 1178 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,400 their deposits. So, um, again, I don't 1179 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,839 know. It' be a long question whether or 1180 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,359 not we can move forward with awarding 1181 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:04,319 the bid. Time has elapsed. I don't know. 1182 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:05,440 You know, we had a substantial 1183 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000 completion date. Obviously, we wouldn't 1184 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,680 meet that completion date. So, I don't 1185 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,119 know if there would be an amendment to 1186 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,400 the contract. I don't know if we have to 1187 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,240 rebid it. We have to rebid it. It's 1188 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,440 going to go out on the street for a 1189 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,720 couple of weeks. It's going to go 1190 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,480 through another cycle. We'll be well 1191 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,319 into September by the time we start or 1192 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,880 August uh by the time we award and get 1193 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,839 all the paperwork to insuranceances. So, 1194 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:28,240 I'm here to answer any questions uh on 1195 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,119 what you want to do with the pool. Um 1196 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,720 it's your decision. 1197 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,680 >> Anyone questions, Mr. Le? 1198 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,839 >> Uh thank you, M. Stan for that analysis 1199 00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:40,880 on the the contamination report. Um can 1200 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640 you speak to whether the contracts had 1201 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,319 that understanding in mind when they're 1202 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:45,839 submitting their bids and are there any 1203 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,240 health concerns with us having 1204 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,640 individuals using that space as a 1205 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,200 recreational? No, I mean the the 1206 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,800 contamination and like I said, I don't 1207 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,480 like, 1208 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,079 you know, there's obviously going to be 1209 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,880 feces in the water from the geese. We 1210 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,560 had to close down before we built the 1211 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,240 new pool. How many times we closed down 1212 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,440 the old pool because of geese? Um, it's 1213 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,760 going to happen. So, the water is going 1214 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,160 to get pumped out. Um, if you look at 1215 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,839 Duck Pond now, the same thing's 1216 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,200 happening in Duck Pond. You still have 1217 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,800 turtles, fish, animals. You have 1218 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,119 everything that's in there. Um, you 1219 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,800 know, the pond, the hopeful will be 1220 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,079 pumped out. there's not a lot of water 1221 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,440 in it, it'll be filled. Um, it's not a, 1222 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,040 you know, it's not a contaminated site. 1223 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,599 It's not a super fun site. Um, you know, 1224 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:35,910 it's a stagnant pond. 1225 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,319 » But it's a it's a runoff. So, in a 1226 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:40,960 similar fashion, it ran off. You 1227 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,640 couldn't close down the green space. Or 1228 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,160 am I just not understanding? 1229 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,920 >> When it when it's filled, you know, that 1230 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,480 level will come back up. There is um an 1231 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,240 underground system that will go in just 1232 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,760 like You know, like we see on the 1233 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,920 streets, I mean, you have dogs, you have 1234 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,119 everything else on the street. Things 1235 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,440 end up in the storm drains. Okay, there 1236 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,280 will be a storm drain there. The pump 1237 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,960 will still remain just to take out any 1238 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,560 excess water, you know, if the water 1239 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,480 gets, you know, if if the ground gets 1240 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,520 too central. But just like any other 1241 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,280 part of the park, I mean, it's it's 1242 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,680 going to be a green space. You know, the 1243 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,359 pond will not be there anymore. It'll be 1244 00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:14,880 filled in appropriately. It'll be 1245 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,119 compacted. There'll be some um some 1246 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,560 drainage systems put in, a couple of 1247 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,880 catch basins um to catch any water that 1248 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,040 will go there because naturally you 1249 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440 still have the road and you have um the 1250 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000 sea diamond and the you know the tenant 1251 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,800 or the uh courts are still up high. So 1252 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,400 water will still come down in that area, 1253 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,079 but it comes down in the area anyway. 1254 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,760 We're going to be right now there's no 1255 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680 drainage. It's a blackout. So the water 1256 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,200 has nowhere to go other than just sit 1257 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,119 there and every time it rains it gets a 1258 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:48,710 little bit deeper and you know it'll be managed. Um, 1259 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:49,680 yes, Mr. Williams. 1260 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,359 >> And a follow-up question. Part of my 1261 00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,520 hesitation with funding this project was 1262 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440 with respect to other ARPA uh 1263 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,680 conversations uh and projects as they're 1264 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,079 coming to their close, 1265 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,599 you know, um I don't know if there's 1266 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,559 representative from the 1267 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,000 uh planning and office of planning and 1268 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,359 development kind of speak to the status 1269 00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:09,280 if they just leave. [laughter] 1270 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,359 All right. Um, so I think I would have 1271 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:14,400 no issues with uh 1272 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,000 continuing with consideration. I just 1273 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,599 want to ensure that the other is here. 1274 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:20,400 Oh, 1275 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,040 >> no. 1276 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,559 >> I would say that if this was moved out 1277 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,160 of committee, just wanted to have just a 1278 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,559 degree of confidence from Miss Carver 1279 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,160 with respect to any other outstanding 1280 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:36,309 projects for consideration. 1281 00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,480 » Any other questions? 1282 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,599 >> Mr. Okay. So, if I may, we we're okay to 1283 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,800 move forward with this item as is. Is 1284 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040 that what I'm hearing? 1285 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,760 >> Mr. Williams. 1286 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,680 >> So, I'm not on this committee, but one 1287 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,400 of my concerns was are we considering 1288 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,280 this in totality like the other ARPA 1289 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,079 projects um now that they're coming to a 1290 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,960 close um I know Miss Carver is not here. 1291 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,559 Um but if she can give us the great 1292 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:03,920 confidence that those projects are 1293 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,160 coming to completion uh there are no 1294 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440 larger scale items. 1295 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,119 >> Mr. Mayor chair you have to remember the 1296 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,800 talk about some of the other projects 1297 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,720 which were 1298 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,040 uh different organizations there was 1299 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,559 different funding sources uh different 1300 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,559 scenarios with it where ARPA was a 1301 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,440 component. The city swimming pool was 1302 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,680 100% ARPA. 1303 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,079 We built it and this is completing that 1304 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,800 project. It's filling in that space and 1305 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,240 eliminating the negative potential from 1306 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,040 discontination and it's creating green 1307 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,079 space which the park needs. The 1308 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,319 utilization of that park has grown over 1309 00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:48,160 the last several years and it's because 1310 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,160 of the investment that the city council 1311 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,599 has made in terms of uh a diamond. Uh 1312 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,760 you look at the work the rose garden has 1313 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160 their the greenhouse, the tennis courts 1314 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,839 now. Uh I don't know when we're going to do some upgrades to basketball 1315 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:06,240 courts, but there's something there for 1316 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,480 everybody in the park and it's a great 1317 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,559 story. And so to leave this, 1318 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,920 you know, unfinished and this is solely 1319 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,800 a city project solely funded with ARPA, 1320 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,400 I just think it's a mistake and I would 1321 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,319 ask the council's favor favorable 1322 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,960 consideration to move forward with this 1323 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,520 and filling it. 1324 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,800 >> Mr. Williams, 1325 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,960 >> uh, I completely agree. I think just 1326 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,359 there were a lot of deviations. I think 1327 00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:35,280 one that's glaring is the fact that the 1328 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000 pool was 100% over budget and we had to 1329 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,680 consider that. So it was originally 1330 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,839 projected at 5 million. That was not the 1331 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:43,839 case as we completed that project. So I 1332 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:44,800 think some of those financial 1333 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,240 considerations need to be taken into 1334 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,240 account. I know it's the crown jewel of 1335 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,160 this the city of Skenctity, but everyone 1336 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,200 doesn't go there. So I think we just 1337 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,079 need to be considerate. Um I am going on 1338 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,400 record as being a meetable to this 1339 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,240 project, but I want to make sure that it 1340 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,559 is not coming at the expense of other 1341 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,559 considerations with AR funds. 1342 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,119 >> Let me be clear. The swimming pool did 1343 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,359 not double in budget. The swimming pool 1344 00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:10,000 had a cost. It's all the peripheral 1345 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,839 around the pool. It's the splash pads, 1346 00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:14,079 the other improvements that we made that 1347 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,480 added the additional cost to it. And we 1348 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,599 ended up with a project that is 1349 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,480 uh a huge success. The problem today is 1350 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,520 we have to turn some people away because 1351 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,000 it's overly successful. 1352 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,240 >> Mr. um chairs, 1353 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,079 >> uh Mr. I appreciate just saying awesome. 1354 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:33,520 That was a great compliment to the prior 1355 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,040 council on the work that they did making 1356 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,559 it happen at Central Park and being such 1357 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,839 a success. Um Mr. Fond if you could that 1358 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,599 information if you can just put that in 1359 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,920 the email. I had requested um during the 1360 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,119 council meeting that I wanted just get 1361 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,720 an idea of what that looks like even if 1362 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,200 it's a small report. Um cuz I know when 1363 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,800 we fill in any kind of a building, 1364 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,040 property, building land, we have DEC 1365 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,319 reports that are supposed to come in and 1366 00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:57,280 it's been raised by um upper Union 1367 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,960 Street Association and other resident 1368 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,760 members of that issue of runoff. I'll 1369 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,280 use a different word, not contamination, 1370 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,200 but you know, things that we don't want 1371 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,839 in that area to make sure that us 1372 00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:10,000 filling this in will then not destroy 1373 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,000 the other land around it, the wildlife 1374 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,079 land, cause more issues going forward 1375 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,839 and allow for that low point to then 1376 00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:17,520 begin to deteriorate the other green 1377 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,960 spaces that we've already invested so 1378 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,720 much in. 1379 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,880 >> I don't know what DEC report we would 1380 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,400 have to have a sweater because we would 1381 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,839 disturb more than an acre and that's 1382 00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:27,760 about it. We do have a a consultant on 1383 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,200 board who did the plans, who did the bid 1384 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,960 specs, so they're very familiar with it. 1385 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,319 They've done a lot of projects for us 1386 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:35,119 and big projects. So, um, whatever you 1387 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,680 need, I mean, I feel our consultants 1388 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,880 going to follow through and make sure 1389 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,720 it's done correctly. Um, so if they can 1390 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,160 share that information with me and I 1391 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,280 feel more comfortable with 1392 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,559 >> I'll see what they have and I'll get it 1393 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:47,440 to everybody. 1394 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,559 >> Thank you. 1395 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:52,800 >> Questions? Um I I can just say that um 1396 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,520 as far as completing the pool project, 1397 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,800 uh when we started the pool project, the the inground pool, um which warms my 1398 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,960 heart. I'm sure everyone's been there. I 1399 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,960 bring my granddaughter there. I see the 1400 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,960 people waiting in line. And I usually 1401 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,960 say, "Come on, let's go. Let's have 1402 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,880 somebody else go to the splash pad, get 1403 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,079 someone else in line." Um it's just a 1404 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,720 huge um 1405 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,720 benefit 1406 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,520 to the adults and children in our city 1407 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,240 who a lot of times we know we have a lot 1408 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,800 of rental properties there children 1409 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,960 don't have access to a hose to cool off. 1410 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,359 So it's very important. Uh one of the 1411 00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,280 things about the old pool was the flight 1412 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,839 pattern. Why we didn't put the new pool 1413 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:38,000 uh in in the position where the old pool 1414 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,680 was the flight pattern of the geese 1415 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960 coming in. Um, so we moved the pool, but 1416 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960 I think at this point it's been three 1417 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,040 years. Um, the pool, as you stated, was 1418 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,440 drained three, four, six, 10 times a 1419 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,640 season and cleaned out because of the 1420 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,359 contamination in there so people so the the the residents couldn't get in 1421 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,280 there. I think it's time we just move 1422 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,680 on. As far as ARPA, um we've heard from 1423 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,319 Miss Carver and and with no disrespect 1424 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:09,680 several times, we're talking 377 some 1425 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,240 odd thousand. Uh we were blessed to have 1426 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,440 the Hamilton Center get a um a grant 1427 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:21,119 from from Angela Santa Barbara from the state as well as the um other 1428 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,359 uh the co-op which we were considering 1429 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,599 uh issuing some money to. So, at this 1430 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,880 point, um, barring anything else, I'd 1431 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,400 like to move this on the agenda. 1432 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,000 >> Madam Chair, just a question for your 1433 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000 clarification. Um, the bid spec bid 1434 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,079 price expires on July 11th, but you've 1435 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,640 got it. You've got something to extend 1436 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,778 that price for the council's action. 1437 00:55:45,778 --> 00:55:46,079 [clears throat] 1438 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,079 >> We don't have nothing because nothing 1439 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,799 was approved. So I don't know if we can 1440 00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,559 do an amendment to the contract to 1441 00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,200 extend the um substantial completion 1442 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:55,599 date. 1443 00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:56,079 >> No. 1444 00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,680 >> Or we have to go out to bid again. 1445 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,640 >> Yes. 1446 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,240 >> Okay. So what we'll do is take the same 1447 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,400 bid specs and we'll keep our fingers 1448 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,640 crossed if the prices didn't go up 1449 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,960 because it's a substantial the 1450 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,160 substantively date is a substantial 1451 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,640 aspect of the job based on you know the 1452 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,000 other uh biders and contractors lining 1453 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,480 up their subcontractors etc. So that's a 1454 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,040 substantial aspect of the the bid. 1455 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,599 >> And what's the date there to award by 1456 00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,799 >> the my understanding is on May 27th the 1457 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,119 bid was over. They have 45 days to hold 1458 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,599 that bid price open which expires on 1459 00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:37,040 July 11th. They can they can agree to 1460 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,119 extend that pending action by the 1461 00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,119 council. However, if the council doesn't 1462 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,680 take any action on it, then it we've 1463 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,000 rejected all bid in effect rejected all 1464 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,520 bids and the matter will have to go out 1465 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,319 to the out. So if I'm correct, then we 1466 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,720 would need a letter from the low bidder 1467 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,079 that day 1468 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:55,520 >> at this point. 1469 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,640 >> Pricing until their pricing right now is 1470 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,960 only good until July 11th, which is 45 1471 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,200 days pursuant to the bid specs after the 1472 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,400 bid was open. 1473 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:04,720 >> Okay. 1474 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,559 >> So I if they don't if they have not 1475 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,000 agreed to that then it's 1476 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,359 >> that is correct. 1477 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:12,960 >> So you you would need action from us. 1478 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,720 I'm sorry chair. You need action from us 1479 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,559 this evening with the July 11th date 1480 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,319 being before our next 1481 00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,240 >> committee contingent upon the date being 1482 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,040 extended. 1483 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,440 >> Well, council everybody's going to be 1484 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,240 here Friday night for summer night. It's 1485 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,760 called for a special meeting to come in 1486 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:34,470 and vote it through. That's the 10th. 1487 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,559 » Uh so I will not be here on that Friday. 1488 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:37,760 Uh but I just want to make a point of 1489 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,799 consideration. This is one of the 1490 00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:40,720 reasons why I really appreciate Mr. Seca 1491 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,319 and what he's identified as some just 1492 00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:44,640 learning lessons and the role he's 1493 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,920 fulfilling right now as the parks 1494 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,839 director. He's highlighted that just as 1495 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:50,000 we put these types of projects to bid, 1496 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,160 we fail to incorporate maintenance costs 1497 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,160 and we fail to incorporate other just 1498 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,640 tangibles that impact just funding for 1499 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,160 these new and improved areas throughout 1500 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,839 the city. And I I think that is an 1501 00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:01,920 important consideration. 1502 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,200 When the project for the pool was 1503 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,839 initially presented, it was $5 million. 1504 00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,520 And although we added other amenities, 1505 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,200 when you add more, it costs more. But 1506 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,559 truly it then doubled in cost and I 1507 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:13,920 think that is a point to make sure we 1508 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,240 recognize and had this initiative of 1509 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,160 filling the pool been included the pool 1510 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,000 would have been filled by now. So we are 1511 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,640 adding in more elements and then just 1512 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,799 referencing Mr. Masea I think as we 1513 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:26,160 start to plan and think of strategy 1514 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,920 moving forward for the city we need to 1515 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,680 do that in totality so that we are not 1516 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,680 peacemealing these efforts together and 1517 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,839 then putting the council at the expense 1518 00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:35,359 for just improper planning at the 1519 00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,280 beginning. So again, I'm confident that 1520 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,880 we'll be able to move, especially with 1521 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,040 his leadership in that role. Um, but 1522 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,799 that is an important consideration. If 1523 00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:43,920 it wasn't incorporated, it would have 1524 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,480 been done. 1525 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,640 >> Thank you, Mr. Williams. Mr. Chairs, 1526 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,240 >> appreciate council member's statements. 1527 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,520 I just want to go back to that point and 1528 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,480 I appreciate the mayor's um volunteering 1529 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,960 of the council's time on Friday. So, we 1530 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,799 need to make a vote for this now so they 1531 00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:59,280 can go back out to bid before the 11th 1532 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,359 regardless if they choose if the lowest 1533 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:02,720 bidder chooses to give us the extension. 1534 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,280 Correct. If if a lower bidder gives the 1535 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,440 extension then we can this will be on 1536 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,599 council on Monday night. If the bidder 1537 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,280 does not agree to give the extension 1538 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,319 through that that period then then you 1539 00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:16,480 know you know the action the last 1540 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,839 council meeting means that the there was 1541 00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:23,599 no no award. But by the same token if if 1542 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,359 you you would have you would still have 1543 00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:27,599 to pass it if you had a special meeting 1544 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,200 on Friday you would still have to pass 1545 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,400 it with four votes. 1546 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,920 If you have a special meeting, in other 1547 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,359 words, if you have it on the 10th of 1548 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:38,319 July, special meetings, if he doesn't 1549 00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,240 want to extend it, but you still want to 1550 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,480 award the project, that's the other 1551 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,280 alternative. You 10 July, have a special 1552 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,640 meeting to accept the award. [snorts] 1553 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,240 >> I think the first step then is to see if 1554 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,359 they'll extend the um the price. 1555 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:53,839 Correct. 1556 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:54,640 >> What's that? 1557 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,960 >> So, the first thing is to reach out and 1558 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,200 see if they'll extend the the price. 1559 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,000 that would extend 1560 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,520 >> the correct quote to us 1561 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,680 >> right if they would extend it briefly to 1562 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,760 extend the quote if not then then this 1563 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,799 action on 10 July or the action at the 1564 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:12,480 last council meeting means that all bids 1565 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,750 were rejected 1566 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,599 » yeah the council can choose a different 1567 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,240 date before the 10th if you would like 1568 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:22,799 to 1569 01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:25,680 >> so 1570 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,359 can we can we move it out of the 1571 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,359 committee contingent upon was um 1572 01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,599 reaching out to see if they can uh give 1573 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:33,680 the letter of extension. If not 1574 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,160 tomorrow, 1575 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,000 >> if not, we can then um call for a 1576 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,920 special uh meeting Thursday, this 1577 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,359 Thursday, and pass this item. 1578 01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:45,670 >> Sure. 1579 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:46,400 » You can do that. 1580 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,920 >> Yeah, we can do it. 1581 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,119 >> It's 3 days, 1582 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,680 >> but that's up to the rest. So, that's my 1583 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,079 recommendation. The rest of four others, 1584 01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,599 >> but is that that's not 3 days? 1585 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:00,319 >> I'm sorry. It's not 3 days. 1586 01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,000 >> Oh, three Wednesday, Monday, Tuesday, 1587 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:12,390 >> Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 1588 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,720 » Tonight, this 1589 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,480 >> the notice would have to go out this 1590 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,640 evening. 1591 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,200 >> Factor in into Thursday. 1592 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,440 >> If it's tomorrow, the notice gets out, 1593 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,520 then it's Friday. But if you recess 1594 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,280 instead of adjourn, couldn't you just 1595 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,559 have the meeting? 1596 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,119 >> Just cancel the meeting if the 1597 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,599 contractor agrees to go to the 1598 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,839 extension. 1599 01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:37,839 >> Yeah, you could recess it. I don't see 1600 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:43,829 why not. That's another idea. 1601 01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:47,280 So, at this point, we'd like to make a 1602 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,440 motion to move it out of committee 1603 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,160 >> to move it out of committee 1604 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,040 with clarification from the contractor 1605 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,960 that he would honor that they would 1606 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,920 honor the bids past 1607 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,119 uh July 11th. 1608 01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:01,599 >> Okay. 1609 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:06,160 >> And Mr. Chair gets a letter from 1610 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,520 uh the Weber saying the DEC doesn't need 1611 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,280 to get involved. Any questions? 1612 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,799 >> And if the if we don't receive the 1613 01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,280 letter from the contract, then we'll 1614 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,559 have to call for a special 1615 01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:19,920 >> then we'll call for a special meeting 1616 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,920 for the DEC. 1617 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,319 >> Um do I have a motion to move it? 1618 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:27,280 >> So move. 1619 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,640 >> Second. Second. All in favor? I motion 1620 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,520 approved. 1621 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,789 >> Thank you, Mr. 1622 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:39,760 Good evening. 1623 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,599 Uh, seeing nothing further in health and 1624 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,559 recreation, I make a motion to close. 1625 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:45,440 So, 1626 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,200 >> second. All in favor? I 1627 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,240 >> I 1628 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,200 >> Health and Recreation is closed. 1629 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,480 >> Like to open committee on government 1630 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,680 operations, 6:31 p.m. Only one item on 1631 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,359 the agenda, ceremony resolution for 1632 01:02:57,359 --> 01:02:59,760 March for Jesus 2026. It's connectity 1633 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,000 church's 21st year. In doing such, this 1634 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,839 resolution just recognizes the efforts 1635 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,280 that are put together by a faith-based 1636 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,119 community to unite all our communities 1637 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,520 across the city of Skenctity. 1638 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,359 I have a motion to carry the CR. So, I 1639 01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:14,960 second it. All those in favor. 1640 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,559 >> I motion carried. Seeing all the items 1641 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,319 on the agenda, government operations is 1642 01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:23,280 closed at 3:31 p.m. So, I'd like to call 1643 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,720 to order city development and planning. 1644 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,400 We have three items on the agenda for 1645 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,920 discussion. The first of which is to 1646 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,440 award a bin contract for the 1647 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,680 construction of two concrete foundations 1648 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,920 to Jerson Construction Group LLC in the 1649 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,319 amount of $219,100. 1650 01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:40,400 Mr. Wall, thank you. Um, the city is in 1651 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,640 the process of constructing or 1652 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,039 assembling two different facilities. The 1653 01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,000 first is a dog kennel at our wastewater 1654 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,680 treatment plant, 300 Anthony Street, and 1655 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,400 the second is uh two new production 1656 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,039 green houses at Central Park greenhouse 1657 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,880 area. Um the both the kennel and the 1658 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,920 green houses were procured material-wise 1659 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,839 through state contract and they are 1660 01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:05,839 ordered and on their way. The 1661 01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,520 foundations however need to be 1662 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,680 constructed uh so that they can sit on 1663 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,280 them. So we decided since they were very 1664 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,880 similar work that we would bid the two 1665 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,760 together. Um we put out the bid for the 1666 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,599 two foundations. We received six bids 1667 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:19,280 and a low was seen from juris 1668 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,880 construction. Um, so just for your note, 1669 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,720 the reason that these are itemized is 1670 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,640 because each will be charged against its 1671 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,680 own budget code. The dog kennel uh will 1672 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,400 be essentially $60,000 to the dog kennel 1673 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,799 project and the concrete foundation 1674 01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,359 green houses uh will that'll be to the 1675 01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:38,960 greenhouse project. The greenhouse 1676 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,920 project was the capital project that was 1677 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,720 moved in the budget from capital to 1678 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,200 CDBG. So just so you're aware of that. 1679 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,760 So that would be a CDBG code and the dog 1680 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,559 kennel is a facilities code along with a 1681 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,200 grant that the PD did get. 1682 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,599 >> Thank you. Any questions or comments? 1683 01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,839 Hearing none. Is there a motion? 1684 01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:00,720 >> I'll move this. 1685 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,480 >> Second. 1686 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,839 >> All those in favor? 1687 01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:04,240 >> I. 1688 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,760 >> Thank you. 1689 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,599 >> The next item for discussion is the 1690 01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:08,880 planning commission recommendation 1691 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,760 regarding Boulevard. Uh for everyone 1692 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,680 it's not up to speed in this area. This 1693 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,520 is where there was a determination made 1694 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,880 by Judge Valto regarding interpretation 1695 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,200 of the zone code um in the absence of 1696 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,520 there being a drive-thru definition. Uh 1697 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,680 so at this current point, I would like 1698 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,240 to request uh that we receive a 1699 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,359 recommendation from the planning 1700 01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:32,000 commission uh to help us as we consider 1701 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,839 an amendment to that zoning code. 1702 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:35,440 Specifically is looking to have an 1703 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,599 established working definition for what 1704 01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:40,240 a drive-thru is. Um I've spoken to Mr. 1705 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,799 Brian more than I have 1706 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:44,480 this entire year. So, thank you for your 1707 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,240 time. Um, but if there's any 1708 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,440 clarification, 1709 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,319 >> no, no problem. Uh, uh, Mr. uh, Mr. 1710 01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:52,000 President, just to follow up on your on 1711 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,359 your thoughts and it was was just for a 1712 01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:57,760 correction. That was Judge uh, it was 1713 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,520 Judge Pers, sorry. 1714 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,920 >> Yeah. And in and in his decision, he he 1715 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,000 clearly states the city code does not 1716 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,599 define drive-thru or drive-thru 1717 01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:08,559 establishments. So therefore, our zoning 1718 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,480 code needs to get those definitions. I 1719 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,559 spoke with Mr. Connelly and the planning 1720 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,359 department and uh he reached out and got 1721 01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:17,119 def, you know, working definitions from 1722 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:18,799 the city of Troy and city of Albany 1723 01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,799 regarding that. They're somewhat similar 1724 01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,520 but also different. So, uh, our 1725 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,000 recommendation is that you, uh, pass a 1726 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,760 resolution that this matter is referred 1727 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,599 for the definition out to the planning 1728 01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,839 commission, uh, for their review and 1729 01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:33,520 their recommendation back to you by the 1730 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,240 first, uh, with their with the cycles of 1731 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:37,760 your cycles and the cycle of the 1732 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,359 planning commission. You'll have a 1733 01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,799 recommendation by the first committee 1734 01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:47,981 meeting in September. 1735 01:06:47,991 --> 01:06:49,680 [snorts] 1736 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,440 >> Thank you for that clarification, Mr. 1737 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,760 Brian, um just another additional point. 1738 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280 I know that there was consideration at 1739 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,720 least for myself of wanting to put in 1740 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,599 place a moratorum. The challenge there 1741 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,520 is uh is that without a working 1742 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:02,640 definition of what we're going to 1743 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,440 restrict, we can't restrict it. Uh so 1744 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,359 unfortunately, we're unable to pause any 1745 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,680 pending or incoming projects, but very 1746 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,000 much confident uh that everyone touching 1747 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,520 this issue understands the matter of 1748 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,200 urgency. And I think September is a 1749 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,359 timeline that's not too extended. So, 1750 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:24,799 any questions or comments? 1751 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:27,039 Hearing none, uh, may I have a motion to 1752 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,520 move that resolution forward request? 1753 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,079 >> Second. 1754 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:30,960 >> All in favor? 1755 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,160 >> I. 1756 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,400 >> And the last item for discussion is the 1757 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,839 appointment of Hillary Snare to the 1758 01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:39,039 Civil Police Review Board. Um, 1759 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:40,400 I can turn over you, Mr. Mayor, but I 1760 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,240 think the consideration was at previous 1761 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,240 meetings, uh, this individual was 1762 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,079 brought forward, um, just to fill one of 1763 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:48,880 the absent vacancies for the NAACP 1764 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,119 organization. um with further 1765 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:52,799 conversations. Uh there wasn't 1766 01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,000 necessarily a reach out to that 1767 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,440 organization to see if they had an 1768 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,039 additional 1769 01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,640 individual that they themselves would 1770 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,960 like to push forward. Um in my personal 1771 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,119 conversations with mayor uh who's trying 1772 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:04,880 to identify another pathway for this 1773 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,359 individual to still sit on the CPRB. 1774 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:10,559 However, in my four or five years of 1775 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,640 being on the council, never has the CPRB 1776 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,120 been fully uh fully uh haven't 1777 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,120 representative supported. Uh so 1778 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,400 unfortunately at this point in time 1779 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,400 there is not a potential landing spot 1780 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,560 for this individual. Truly all other 1781 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,239 positions would be uh supported. Um so 1782 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,799 at this present time there are 1783 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,120 considerations from the NAACP for their 1784 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,400 representative and also from I think uh 1785 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:37,679 the Sycamore Collaborative for their 1786 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,719 representative. And the knowledge that 1787 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:42,159 we had from our previous conversation 1788 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:44,960 was that the mayor um would move those 1789 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,120 items if we officially had a response 1790 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,679 for this individual. I although I'm not 1791 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,120 in agreement with that. We didn't move 1792 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,880 it. I don't know why we need to 1793 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,040 intentionally not move it. Um but please 1794 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,319 correct me if I'm wrong. Corporation 1795 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,000 Council, I think we're just here to 1796 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,359 formally not accept this nomination. Is 1797 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:02,560 that correct? 1798 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,120 >> If there's no vacancy, is that is that 1799 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,640 what the issue is here? here I mean is 1800 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,880 there there are no vacancies regarding 1801 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,679 that 1802 01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:11,199 >> there is a vacancy 1803 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:11,920 >> okay 1804 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,679 >> scenario until fill that vacancy is 1805 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,600 changed 1806 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,679 >> in what manner 1807 01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:20,319 >> uh other names have come forward 1808 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,239 >> so it's withdrawing that nomination 1809 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,319 >> at this point I get that 1810 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,159 >> so it's before the council 1811 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,960 >> right they can either vote to accept it 1812 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,199 or vote to decline it and then we'll 1813 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:31,839 move on 1814 01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:33,279 >> the person has not withdrawn their 1815 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:34,560 nomination correct 1816 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,400 >> correct 1817 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,719 uh council chairs. Um I think at this 1818 01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:40,799 juncture and this delay this comes back 1819 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:43,040 to almost March when we originally seen 1820 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,600 this name the first time. Um I'm not on 1821 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,920 this committee. I would um 1822 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,719 pursue it to my colleagues to 1823 01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:55,040 vote this nomination down so we can take 1824 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,520 in the actual recommendations of the 1825 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,280 organization whose committee seat that 1826 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,719 this actually is that they're trying to 1827 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,640 fill. since that organization has 1828 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,320 reached out to myself and other council 1829 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,640 members that they do have someone and 1830 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,920 multiple names that they would like to 1831 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,920 put forward to actually fill their 1832 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,920 vacancy. 1833 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,520 So delaying it further I think at this 1834 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,400 point is uh once again as you know to to 1835 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,640 still councilman ingerts going in 1836 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,239 circles over and over again when this 1837 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:21,679 should have been an easy we took no 1838 01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:23,440 action and let that organization 1839 01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,840 actually fill their respective seat 1840 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,120 council. So there is one vacancy if I'm 1841 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,480 getting this right correct there's one 1842 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:35,280 vacancy on the civilian police board and 1843 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,000 that um vacancy belongs to the NAACP. 1844 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,600 >> So there are two vacancies one for the 1845 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,360 NAACP and one for the Sycamore 1846 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,520 collaborative at both times as we were 1847 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,920 looking to identify a spot for this 1848 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,400 individual to represent both those 1849 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,080 individual both those organizations came 1850 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,360 forward with representatives that 1851 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,199 embodied their similar their 1852 01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,280 organizations. Sorry. So 1853 01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,760 >> this this person before us here is this 1854 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,080 person filling the vacancy associated 1855 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,920 with NAACP. 1856 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,000 >> That was the mayor 1857 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,310 >> pending. 1858 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,920 » Mr. Chairman, just to clarify, so the 1859 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,880 NAACP has not formally endorsed this 1860 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,560 person, 1861 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,239 >> correct? 1862 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:19,679 >> Right. I would say there was similar 1863 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:21,120 considerations made to reach out to 1864 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,320 other organizations. Um and that was not 1865 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,199 presented to the NAACP. Once it was, 1866 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:28,960 they supplied a different name. 1867 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,229 >> Okay. 1868 01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,880 » So again, if an item is not moved out of 1869 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,640 committee, that is in fact us voting it 1870 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,320 down and it just 1871 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,310 >> before the council then 1872 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:46,640 » Williams. 1873 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,159 >> Oh, I'm sorry. council. 1874 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,800 >> Thank you. So, did the NAACP knew they 1875 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,800 had an opening at Sycamore 1876 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,400 Collaborative? Did they know they had an 1877 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,120 opening to fill? 1878 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,719 >> I would say the challenges like the 1879 01:11:58,719 --> 01:11:59,520 matter of timing. 1880 01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:59,920 >> Sure. 1881 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,760 >> And again, once this individual is 1882 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,600 brought forward and once the 1883 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,199 conversation was intentionally had with 1884 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:06,640 the organization that they were trying 1885 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,440 to fill that representative for them, 1886 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:11,440 that is when just I think the skies 1887 01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,679 parted and individuals are now more more 1888 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,920 available than not. Um but I do think it 1889 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,080 is very intentional for us to ensure 1890 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,679 that people sitting in these roles 1891 01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:22,400 supporting these organizations embody 1892 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,040 what these organizations respect. So 1893 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,600 >> and Sycamore their position was filled 1894 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,360 because there were 1895 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,040 >> they have a name and I apologize I 1896 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,320 thought that was going to be forward to 1897 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,760 the council this cycle. So 1898 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,800 >> oh okay so that's that will be filled 1899 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,120 forwarding right there. So, two 1900 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,960 recommendations. I think another 1901 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,600 impending one coming um for Miss Paler 1902 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,440 and the I think it's legal woman's 1903 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,630 orders. 1904 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,400 » Council or councilman chairs. Yeah. 1905 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,880 >> So, just just for clarification um to 1906 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,199 our council just cuz I feel like we've 1907 01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,440 done this before. Should this committee 1908 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:00,880 take the opportunity right now to 1909 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,880 formally vote it down 1910 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,640 >> so we can move forward 1911 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:04,960 >> exactly 1912 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,640 >> with actually doing what we need to do 1913 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,320 to fill this ending before 1914 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,760 >> getting the resolution signed so we 1915 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,280 don't keep delaying people that want to 1916 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,280 do the volunteer organization of boards 1917 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,760 for us because this civilian board is a 1918 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,760 huge part of his volunteer and we've 1919 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,000 made a very stingent concept about it's 1920 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,679 hard to get people to volunteer for 1921 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:23,040 items in the city which is the mayor's 1922 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,960 exact words for different things that we 1923 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,800 have in boards so I don't want us to 1924 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,080 continue to delay 1925 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,080 I just want to make sure that we need to 1926 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,560 vote this down right now so we can go on 1927 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,440 with with our 1928 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,760 >> because right now you you've as a 1929 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,000 council president said that you're 1930 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,400 looking for individuals for the spots 1931 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,880 but they have not endorsed this 1932 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,280 individual for that spot. So therefore 1933 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,120 pursuant to the ordinance people have to 1934 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,800 come from their you know as a primary 1935 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,840 and the secondary uh representative for 1936 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,520 the organization. This person has not 1937 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,320 received that. So at this point you 1938 01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,400 based on that you can vote you know vote the committee can vote it down and 1939 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,640 then pending any other full you know 1940 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,719 further nominations by by the mayor. 1941 01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,239 >> Now would you prefer we do that by way 1942 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:09,280 of resolution or 1943 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,800 >> No you just have the committee just take 1944 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,840 a vote. He accepted he accepted you know 1945 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,960 accepted the nomination yes or no. And 1946 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,800 based on the fact that the individual 1947 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,719 does not have the nomination does not 1948 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,520 have the uh endorsement of of an 1949 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,360 organization for that particular uh area 1950 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,520 or that particular slot for the pursuant 1951 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,199 to the ordinance. You would say that 1952 01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:33,679 based on that it's 1953 01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,280 um you're not going forward the 1954 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,840 nomination. Uh so before I call on that 1955 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,560 vote definitely had all the um 1956 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,840 confidence that we would be able to work 1957 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,360 with the mayor to identify another spot 1958 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,440 that unfortunately did not hold true and 1959 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:48,719 today I actually made an attempt to 1960 01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:50,640 reach out to Miss Hillary Snare who I 1961 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,480 hope is not reading into this too much 1962 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,480 as though we are taking aim at her. It's 1963 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,400 just ensuring that these organizations 1964 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,400 have the individuals that are members of 1965 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,239 their organizations and can put forward 1966 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,800 their ideals in the appropriate manner. 1967 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,440 Um, so with that, I'll ask for a vote on 1968 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,040 whether we are going to consider this 1969 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,560 appointment to the CPRB. 1970 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,440 Um, Councilman Anger, 1971 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,159 >> I guess I'm confused voting 1972 01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:19,520 into you can make you can vote it down. 1973 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,199 You can make make a motion saying voting 1974 01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,440 down the individual does not represent 1975 01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,920 any of the named organizations 1976 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,520 endorsements and now you see the 1977 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,440 endorsements of your organization as 1978 01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:30,880 necessary. 1979 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,760 >> Right. Yeah. I'm still confused on what 1980 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,520 so voting yes would be to accept the 1981 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,040 nomination. Voting no would be to 1982 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,120 >> No, no, you're voting the resolution is 1983 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,120 formed by it is saying you're voting 1984 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,640 down the nomination. 1985 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:48,070 >> I don't think there's been a motion made 1986 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,520 either making a motion for or making a 1987 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,640 motion against but either way you're 1988 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,679 making a mo a motion. 1989 01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:53,760 >> I'm making the motion for 1990 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:54,960 >> to accept the nominee. 1991 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,350 >> Correct. 1992 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,000 Is there a second for that nomination 1993 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,360 for that motion? 1994 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:04,880 >> I will not second anything. So 1995 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,040 >> make a motion against motion that 1996 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,560 >> so 1997 01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,280 that you 1998 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,040 can add 1999 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,719 solidify and make a motion against and 2000 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:15,920 just put it on record. I think that's 2001 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,360 the easiest way. So we don't have word 2002 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,719 play anymore. My apologies for speaking 2003 01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:20,080 out of turn, but this is going on too 2004 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:20,400 long. 2005 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,080 >> Nope. I I would have to agree with 2006 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,600 councilman chairs. I think having that 2007 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,520 point of clarification beyond any 2008 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,520 assumption is important. So, Mr. 2009 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,040 Councilman Mirin, would you mind making 2010 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,480 a mo motion voting this down? 2011 01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,560 >> We did. We We did pass it. 2012 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:35,840 >> I would say it can be interpreted that 2013 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,360 way. I don't think we need to do any of 2014 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,120 this. However, this feels very 2015 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:40,320 performative right now that we're just 2016 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,840 delaying action. So, if you wouldn't 2017 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,560 mind Mr. Mudarin making a motion that 2018 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,360 we're voting this out. 2019 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,640 >> I mean, that's why it takes you 2020 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,480 the motion didn't it doesn't get out. 2021 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,719 The committee has acted. Yes, they did 2022 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:53,840 act. 2023 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,080 >> My understanding is we did that in March 2024 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,239 and the mayor held true to his opinion 2025 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,159 and we still that's why council Williams 2026 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,000 has said the conversation was that they 2027 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,000 were going to go back to the table have 2028 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,440 the conversation because it was voted 2029 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:06,719 down and never passed committee the 2030 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:07,280 first time. 2031 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,600 >> We didn't act on it. 2032 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,920 >> So that's not what happened the first 2033 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:14,960 time. Correct. 2034 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,800 >> So we didn't act on it. So it remained 2035 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,159 there as a table for us to act on it. So 2036 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,199 what we did right now we did actually 2037 01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:24,560 committee that's said 2038 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,960 >> I apologize for my extra cautious but 2039 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,320 >> so I don't think there's anything else 2040 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,239 that we need to do at this point in time 2041 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:31,679 the motion 2042 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:35,360 >> okay so just to maintain um decorum at 2043 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,280 this point in time when can we expect 2044 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,199 those recommendations Mr. Thank you. 2045 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,760 >> So on again apologize they're going to 2046 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,000 be for tonight so we'll have to put it 2047 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,159 on the next cycle. 2048 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,480 >> Thank you. Are there any other questions 2049 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,960 or comments? 2050 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,640 Hear none. I believe there are no other 2051 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,000 items that are coming before city 2052 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,360 development planning. Ask for a motion 2053 01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,080 to adjurnn. 2054 01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:58,640 >> So move. 2055 01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,520 >> Second. 2056 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,679 >> All in favor? I. We are joined. 2057 01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,760 >> Mr. President just before the committee 2058 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,800 uh the council breaks up. I've had a 2059 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,960 followup conversation with Mr. Gman. 2060 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,199 They did have a uh open comment period 2061 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,600 regarding my budget for the uh change in 2062 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,760 the home art money. So we don't need a 2063 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,679 public hearing. We'll just straight 2064 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:19,520 resolution. 2065 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,520 And just to clarify the business 2066 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,800 regarding the the pool, the pool was 2067 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,040 voted out of committee pending the 2068 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,800 information that council member chairs 2069 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,600 want and pending a letter from the 2070 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,679 holding open possibly the the the bid uh 2071 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,239 amount until regular council meeting. 2072 01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,560 failing that there'll be a a special 2073 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,880 council meeting on Thursday of this week 2074 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,880 and that that meeting can always be 2075 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,120 cancelled and that the notice for the 2076 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,040 council meeting for Thursday the 9th 2077 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,480 will go will go out pending 2078 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,280 confirmations from the uh the bidder. In 2079 01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,040 other words, if the bid is if he agrees 2080 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,520 to hold it until next week or what then 2081 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,520 you can have in your regular meeting. 2082 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,239 Thank you for that clarification. 2083 01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,719 >> Thank you. I think the Dakota order 2084 01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,360 claims. Um, we need to do that in 2085 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,400 executive session. 2086 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,360 >> I'm actually pulling the matter. 2087 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:17,679 >> Whoops. 2088 01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:19,920 >> I'm actually pulling the matter. 2089 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:36,390 >> Oh, okay. So, um, I'd like to close. 2090 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:47,440 Welcome. Best recommendation there. 2091 01:19:47,450 --> 01:20:03,510 [music] 2092 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,520 Hey,