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Good evening. We'd like to call the

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meeting to order.

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So, with that, can we do roll call? And

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Mary Hefty's missing, but we're we think

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she's coming, so we'll get her included

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once she gets here.

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>> Council member Walter,

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>> present. Council member Hasco

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>> here. Council member Flynn

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>> here.

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>> Mayor Taylor,

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>> present.

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>> We have a core out.

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>> Thank you. All right. So, we have no

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presentations this evening. So, then the

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next item up is the town manager report.

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Mercy.

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>> Yeah. [laughter]

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Sorry.

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» Sorry. Was I

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>> I've got orders to move along. In my

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>> defense tonight, Hel me to task.

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>> Asking Vice Mayor Hufty where she is.

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Okay, hold on. I have a beautiful

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PowerPoint because there's a lot of

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exciting things happening in town.

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Excellent.

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>> Starting with the Hold on. The music

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series which will be

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Thursday night. Hold on. I have a great

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graphic that shows you who's playing.

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It's a fancy guitarist.

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Steel guitar, I think. Hold on.

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>> Yeah, should be fun.

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>> Yeah.

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Here we go.

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Okay. Darcy Smith, town manager. Yes.

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So, excitement summer concert series

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start this week on Thursday with Dennis

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Johnson and we'll have two more nights

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and then many of you know we also have

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the PB Palooa on August 29th. The lineup

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has been announced and town members were

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sent a lovely postcard with details.

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More excitingly, we had the town

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emergency preparedness and safety day

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which was well attended. Here's some

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photos.

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and count Vice Mayor Huy and I attended

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as well as council member Flynn and we

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successfully made ham radio contact. I

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talked to someone as far away as

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Nebraska or maybe it was South Dakota.

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Yeah. So, thank you to all who helped

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the fire department, Epic, WPB ready,

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WPBERT, and the town emergency

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preparedness committee.

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Next, some of you hopefully received the

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Portolla Valley Post, which is our

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quarterly printed newsletter, which was

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delivered to residents this week. And as

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part of this year's budget process and

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last year's evaluation of potential

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fiscal stabil stability measures, we've

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engaged our residents to identify the

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town's services, needs, and priorities.

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post. And this is an extension of the

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scientific survey conducted last

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September. We relaunched this Portella

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Valley conversation to ensure that we

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could hear from all residents on these

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important matters and again that

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information is on our website.

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So last our public works completed some

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nice projects around town. They

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completed some or sorry the fireart

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district completed some valuable tree

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removals and then our staff in completed

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a sinkhole repair and they replaced you

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might have noticed some very old rotten

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wheel stops that were crumbling and

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people were they were a little bit of a

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hazard. So we have these beautiful new

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wheel stops and also nice handicapped

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parking signs. So, thank you to our

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public works team, Justin Scott who work

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really, really hard and then the

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Woodside Fire Protection District. So,

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that's all for my report. I hope to see

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all of you on Thursday night at the town

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center.

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>> Thank you, Darcy. And thank you show for

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showing up at the radio. I mean, I know

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it's appreciated that you were there.

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credit for, you know, a town official

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showing up. So, thank you. I was out of

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town. All right, with that, we'll move

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on to oral communications. Is there

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anyone that would like to speak on

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issues not on the agenda? So, I see no

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one in the schoolhouse

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and I don't see any hands online

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and I see Mary. Yay.

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Hello, Mary.

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» Wish am I saying hello? [laughter]

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the podium. So, all right. So, yeah, no

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worries. So, we we just finished up oral

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communications. We're going to move on

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to the consent agenda. Yeah. Helen gave

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me Helen said, you know, you need to

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move this meeting along. So, we're

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moving it along. So, all right. So,

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consent agenda. Is there any public

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comment on the consent agenda? So, I see

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none in the schoolhouse. Is there

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anybody online that would like to

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comment on

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consent agenda? I don't see any hands.

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council. Are there any consent items

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that anybody wants to pull?

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meeting minutes unless they've already

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been corrected.

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meeting minutes cons.

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>> Okay. So, I think I've heard 6A, 6B, and

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the loan remaining consent agenda item 6

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hearing? None. Um six approved. All

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right. Why don't we start with 6A?

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that um Darcy and Veronica. Uh I was

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recused on 6A, excuse me, on this on the

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item for the special meeting minutes.

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that I am recused even I was stuck in

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traffic for five minutes and then I was

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recused as well due to my day job. So,

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thank you.

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reposted.

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is Okay, great. All right. Um, if you

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guys don't mind, why don't we just go

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unless they're substantial, we'll we can

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just approve all of them at the same

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let you know that there's three

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indications where the vote is listed as

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um for uh recusal and then against. And

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it just needed to be listed as four,

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against, and then either recusal or

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absent. So, the three votes were listed

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incorrectly.

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bit more of the history of this. It

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sounds like everybody's in the county

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signs up to this, but I there are some

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strings attached in the underlying

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documents. So, I wanted to understand

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the context here. What's the benefit?

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receive grant money. I'm not sure for

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what. Uh, if somebody could give me a

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highlevel non-detailed

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sense of that. Yeah. So, we'll have

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Sarah course building director

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answer that question. She's done some

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great research on this.

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Sir, plan bailing director. So, thank

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you for that question. Um, so this

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agreement, as you know, this is an

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amendment to a previous agreement that

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the town has entered into with county of

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San Monteo. So, this amendment really

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why it's coming forward is there's just

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a couple updates around HUD's own

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policies and one of the policies was

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around the renewal requirements or how

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this agreement gets renewed. So really

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it can only get renewed so often and

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then you have to come forward for um I

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guess a full renewal of the agreement

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itself instead of the auto renewal. So

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it's really the auto renewal policy and

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there few other bullets they called out

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um that are kind of the main things for

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this agreement amendment. And then with

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us entering into this, there's about 16

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other jurisdictions that are less than

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50,000 people or have a population of

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50,000 or less that have chosen to enter

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into this agreement with the county. And

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so my understanding is that funding

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comes in, I don't have an exact number,

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today. I thought it was anywhere between

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like four and six million that is coming

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in that's allocated to different

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programs and grants that's distributed

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throughout the county. They mentioned

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things like meals on wheels and some

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other programs to support um housing and things like that. So I have I do

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have a list unfortunately that wasn't

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distributed to town council but um there

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are a variety of things that this goes

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towards that um can also be of benefit

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to the town and the surrounding

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community.

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watered under the bridge on this to be

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clear. Um, there are some costs we might

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incur by complying with a cooperation

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agreement. Um, we've got to commit to

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adopt and enforce certain certain

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prohibitions on excessive force, which

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uh are restricted from applying for

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certain grants independently. That kind

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of makes sense. Um, but then affirmative

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action uh requirements. And my my my

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issue isn't with these line items. It's

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with have we looked at and confirmed

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that the costs of continuing cooperation

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are reasonable in light of the revenue

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that you say we're going to get.

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related to cost. It really was just

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looking at the amendment language. Mhm.

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future, we ought to just make sure since

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we're in cost monitoring slashminimizing

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mode uh that we understand what we where

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our costs are here and and just confirm

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a little bit more formally next time um

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where they are. But these amendments

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explanation. But next time around, I'll

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>> Could I ask just another quick question?

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um if we do get one of these grants

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because I was a little bit under the

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impression that we probably wouldn't

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qualify anything, but um would we then

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have to have incur these updates to

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ordinances and what have you or is it

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just in general we have to

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um have all these things set up already?

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>> So, I'm not sure if I can answer that.

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>> I think we're committing to do these

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things regardless of whether or not we

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get grants. I don't know if that helps.

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That's that's what I'm questioning. And

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I don't know that now is the moment to

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dive into this, but next time around

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I'll want a more wholesome understanding

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of that.

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>> I'm going to I have affirmative action

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in our code. We have

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>> maybe beside the point. I agree.

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>> Okay.

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Thank you.

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>> So with that, I'll motion to approve

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60D.

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>> Okay. So I'd like to do but let me just

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ask a quick question before we go there.

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Yeah. Um, so Katherine or Darcy, do you

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have any more to add? And no is an okay

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answer. I just wanted to follow up.

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>> I'll just add that we've been under this

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agreement for a long time

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>> and the is a long-standing agreement and

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we haven't to my knowledge incurred

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substantive additional costs.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay, great. Okay, so with that, um, if

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you wouldn't mind 6 A, B, and D that we

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just get them all done.

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>> So I would accept a motion for that.

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So moved. A

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>> second.

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>> Thank you. I have motion a second. All

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in favor say I. I.

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>> I.

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>> Any opposed? I hear no opposition. All

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right. So that one consent agenda is

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approved. So moving on to regular

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agenda. Thank you, Sarah.

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U moving on to regular agenda 7A. Tony,

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I assume you have a staff report for us.

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» Yes, I do.

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» [clears throat]

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» So tonight we are accepting

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having council consider acceptance of

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the fiscal year 2223

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audited financial statements and other

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related reports.

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So uh the audited results are we did

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receive an unmodified or a clean opinion

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and that means the the financial

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statements re within reasonable

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assurance reflect the financial

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condition of the town of portola valley

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for fiscal year 2223.

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Uh just some brief um highlights total

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net position decreased by 1.6 million.

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uh general fund balance decreased by

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1.26 million and then there was a new

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finding in the memorandum of internal

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control. Uh the chart you see is some of

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the um variance are the changes in some

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of the balances from 2122 to 2223.

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Um our financial statements are in

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regard and when you look at the gazsby

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adjustments we are minimal. we only have

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uh the you know we have to do an

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adjustment for compensated absences our

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pension liability and our oped

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liability. Uh so um those are what's

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being reflected in excuse

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[clears throat] me in um this table.

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This chart this actually was requested

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by the finance committee. Um just an

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update of all the findings from previous

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years and the status um of where we are.

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As you can see, as we're getting closer

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and closer to uh current fiscal year, uh

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we are um making those corrections,

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implementing council or the the

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auditor's recommendations

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and but [clears throat] like I said, the

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uh the the 2223 there was a new finding

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and it was untimely renewal removal of

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uh authorized signers on the bank

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accounts um primarily due to um the the

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amount of staff turnover between 22 23

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and 23 24 that we didn't keep up with.

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But at no time was there a situation

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where we did not have an authorized

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signer on staff. So, we were not

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completely um out of compliance, but uh

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the auditor just thought it was a

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finding and a comment uh that this is

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something that we need to stay on top of

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with with staff separation, especially

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with authorized signers like town

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manager or assistant town manager or or

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finance director.

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>> Tony, could you just clarify how to read

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that table because yeses and nos and

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reds and green. So in 2021, yes, means

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it was a finding. Um, and that's why

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it's colored red. It's not good. Um, and

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then the end is it's no longer a finding

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and it's green. So, which is good. Um,

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2526 we will probably get a finding for

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uh timelit

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because we will be behind. Um, but um

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but as I as I stated, we are in the

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process of catching up. We're

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implementing the changes and

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recommendations that the auditors um had

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uh suggested in their memorandum of

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internal control.

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Uh other reports that you were given was

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the report on the GAN limit measure A

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and measure W. Uh the auditor reported

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that we're in compliance. We are

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compliant with all the requirements for

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the GAN limit, measure A, measure W, Required communications. is

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there were no disagreements between

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staff and the auditor.

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Um the finance committee did review the

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financial statements at its last meeting

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on June 30th and did recommend that

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council accept the audited financial

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statements as presented. Um

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with that that clears up my report and I

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turn it back to council for questions.

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>> Thank you Tony.

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>> Questions for Tony? Clarifying questions

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on the audit.

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Rebecca

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and no iss okay answer. This is just

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questions and then we'll go to public

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comment and come back. So, just

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checking.

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>> Um I I just had some really minor

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questions because I had some

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used about some of the phrasing of some

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of this stuff. Um

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just um

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so page 53 of the packet.

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I don't you probably don't have it right

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in front of you.

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Um, page 53 of the packet. So it said

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the beginning fund balance for the

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general fund was restated by 368,000

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due to accounting entry errors from the

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prior year that resulted in overstating

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current liabilities

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and general government expenses.

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>> Yes. So when I read that,

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I read it as if you're overstating your

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liabilities and your expenses.

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To me, that says that you have more

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money. But when I look at the tables,

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it's shown that 368,000 is shown as a

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negative.

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>> So yes, so when you look at the basic

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accounting equation, you have assets

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equals liabilities plus fund balance.

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The issue was that the 22202

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or 2122 financial statements, we did a

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prior period adjustment and how I booked

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it and how the auditor booked it, they

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increased the liability, but we were

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actually reducing the liability. So even

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though the net effect was zero on the

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right hand side of the equation, um

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liabilities were overstated, fund

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balance was understated. So we had to

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make that correction in 22 the 23 24 I'm

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sorry the 22 23

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>> because you had made some kind of

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correction the year before.

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>> Yes. But if you were looking at

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liabilities and fund balance you know

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those two together add up to assets that

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the we were still in balance. However

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liabilities were over fund balance was

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under.

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>> Okay. But it was still the net effect

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was zero. But we had to make the

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correction because they are two separate

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components in the same equation.

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>> Okay. I I think I kind of understand a

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little bit. Um

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and then there was a bunch of situations

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where I consider it to be kind of a

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double negative way of these are just

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minor minor things but I was confused

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and might as well get it clarified. um

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statements that said find an example.

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Well, it said something like decreased

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by minus whatever.

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>> So to me that's a double negative. But I

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think the way when I look at the numbers

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it just meant so decreased by minus 3.1

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million when it's fact it's in English

484
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for me it would have been decreased by

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3.14 million. You see, but every time

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there's that little minus stuck in

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there, which I found very

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>> This is pretty standard language.

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Financial statements.

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>> Okay. Well, I haven't experienced it

491
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that way, but maybe government does

492
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everything a little little weird. And

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then I noticed that we have a

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outstanding liability that we've loaned

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something or someone money or a minor

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amount. What was

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>> the road maintenance districts?

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>> Oh. Oh, okay. So they they pay it's

499
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$13,000 each year for 10 years. It was

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about 131,000 total.

501
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>> Okay.

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>> And that was in 2122, I believe.

503
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>> Um and then I kind of got confused with

504
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the unassigned fund balance. The number

505
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kept changing from one page to the next.

506
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And I kind of think it was due to the

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library 20,000

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uh payable liability there that kind of

509
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was sometimes included, sometimes wasn't

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included when you listed the unassigned

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fund balance.

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>> Right? So if you're looking at the

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there's the statement of net position,

514
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which is all funds plus the Gazsby

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adjustments, and then the next section

516
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is the fund financial statement. So the statement in deposition the

517
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unassigned would include anything

518
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related to the gazsby adjustments which

519
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are not in the fund financial statement.

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So those numbers are going to be

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different.

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>> Okay. And then I was found it odd that

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um page 65 last year we had a general

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government I have notes here that I

525
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don't have complete that was only

526
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$660,000

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>> and then the next this year we're

528
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dealing with 6 million and something.

529
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What adjustments related to pension

530
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because we had a significant reduction

531
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in the previous year that was showing up

532
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in the deferred outflows and deferred

533
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inflows. Well, those get recognized in

534
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this year. So, it's a constant back and

535
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forth, but it's related to the Gazsby

536
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adjustments.

537
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>> Okay. Um,

538
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and we didn't have any SBITA liabilities

539
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for that new software as a service

540
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,600
thing.

541
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,159
>> We we did have we do have

542
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um speed of receivable or uh payables

543
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with our subscription based, but it was

544
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immaterial because we didn't exceed the

545
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threshold of $300,000.

546
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>> Okay. And I assume that will be

547
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,880
different for this year when we get to

548
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,600
2020.

549
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320
>> No, but it has to be 300,000 per

550
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,600
subscription.

551
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,320
>> Oh,

552
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,039
>> so yeah. So that and the the previous

553
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,600
year was loans. It was the same

554
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,520
>> it was the same threshold where each

555
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760
loan had to be over 300,000 for us to

556
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,919
recognize it. But we have such a small

557
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:38,559
volume.

558
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:39,279
>> Oh, okay.

559
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,200
>> We won't be recognizing. And then I just

560
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,360
happened to notice that our audit for

561
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,640
2022, the report was dated August 11th,

562
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,200
2025. And then this audit for 2023, it

563
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,960
said they made a comment, the audit

564
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,480
auditor made comment about the documents

565
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,159
not being provided until miday 2026.

566
00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:00,559
So do you have some sort of explanation

567
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,240
for what happened and why it took so

568
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,080
long? Part of it was the $300,000

569
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,080
>> variance and um it was in May where we

570
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,000
finally came to a resolution.

571
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,400
>> Okay. So, they kind of a little

572
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,840
misstated that.

573
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320
>> Yeah. I see. Okay. So, we won't

574
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240
hopefully won't encounter that.

575
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,760
>> Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

576
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,880
>> Thank you.

577
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,400
Rebecca. Judith, do you have

578
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,840
any questions?

579
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,919
Um if you just go back to the chart that

580
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:30,320
the finance committee

581
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,230
asked for

582
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840
out of the thing I mean the bottom line

583
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,360
is out of the things that are remaining

584
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,240
to be worked on are those

585
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,919
do you anticipate any significant

586
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:49,600
impediments

587
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,120
in correcting those in the remaining

588
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:58,880
audits or going forward from here on.

589
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,400
>> Yeah, the third slide there.

590
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,080
>> Anticipate

591
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,640
um any impediments in resolving these

592
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,240
issues.

593
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,159
>> So, we've got all the processes and the

594
00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,880
people that we need to right

595
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,000
>> staff is um

596
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,159
each year staff's getting more and more

597
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,760
knowledgeable.

598
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Um, so they're they're catching it as

599
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,520
they're entering it as as you know as it

600
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760
is as as it's going in. So

601
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,200
>> what's actually being entered into the

602
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,080
system the first time is clean or done

603
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,600
what hadn't done in the pri the prior

604
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,200
years.

605
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,520
>> Okay. And the one

606
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,360
that is a blank you're

607
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,200
just going to have to wait and see.

608
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,080
Yeah. About that.

609
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,480
>> Yes.

610
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,279
>> Okay.

611
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,840
That's it. Thank you. Thank you,

612
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,600
Mary.

613
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,360
>> Thank you.

614
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:58,960
>> Hi. So, uh, first, thank you.

615
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,679
This is, um, you know, this town has

616
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:03,440
been waiting for this for a long time. I

617
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,960
know this is not comments, so quick

618
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,440
couple quick questions.

619
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,360
>> Um,

620
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,360
I didn't have as much time as I normally

621
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,720
do, so just um, bear with me. Total

622
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,600
revenues increased from 66 million to

623
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,600
9.3 million. That was just sales of

624
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
houses, right? Differences, but well,

625
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,559
it's all funds, not just general funds.

626
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,799
So, we did have some significant with

627
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,320
measure A, measure W. Um, we also had

628
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,120
investment earnings. We had positive

629
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,480
investment earnings where the previous

630
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,400
year we had losses.

631
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600
>> Great. Um, and the total expenses, you

632
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,919
know, to go from

633
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:47,520
6.1 million to 10.9. That was the year.

634
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Remind me that was the year.

635
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,039
>> That was the the Gazsby adjustments that

636
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,080
I alluded to with council before,

637
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080
>> right? Okay.

638
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Um, just making sure.

639
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:12,070
Hang on. Let me go. Um

640
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,399
I was just a little bit confused on

641
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:17,840
segregation of duties. Um found that the

642
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080
def uh deficiencies had not been

643
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,240
mitigated as of June 23. Therefore they

644
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,559
are deemed to be the current year's

645
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,799
significant deficiencies. Is that s

646
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,799
current year being 23?

647
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:33,679
>> Yes.

648
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:34,159
>> Okay.

649
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:36,159
>> Yeah. Because that it's a finding from

650
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,440
the prior year. So all the all the

651
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,159
memorandum all those findings is for

652
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:44,000
fiscal year 2223.

653
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,159
>> Right. Se segregation of duties at the

654
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,200
time there was only two members of the

655
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,159
finance staff. So you can't have

656
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:55,039
segregation of duties with two. So now

657
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,640
we have three and actually four. Um so

658
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,679
we have we have uh alleviated or

659
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,679
mitigated that finding.

660
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:07,200
>> Great. Thanks. Okay. Um and in terms of

661
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,679
the timely deposit of checks that was a

662
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,559
problem. Um, you know, there were

663
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,960
stories of checks getting lost and is

664
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,559
there now a more clear process for

665
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,720
tracking and deposits and

666
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,600
>> every check that's received is logged,

667
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,120
scanned,

668
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,600
deposited within 7 to 10 days.

669
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:49,190
>> Excellent. Thanks. Okay. Um.

670
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,399
that might be it. Um,

671
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:56,480
okay. Uh, let me just double check.

672
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,880
Yep, that's it. Thank you so much.

673
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,880
>> Thank you. All right, let me open it up

674
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,840
for public comment. Um, is there any

675
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,080
public comment on this item? See no one

676
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,760
in the schoolhouse? Is there anyone

677
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,200
online that would like to comment on the

678
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,870
audit? See Rita's hand. Rita, go ahead.

679
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000
» Hi. Uh, thank you for taking my comment.

680
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:24,240
And you know um as we applaud the 22 23

681
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,520
audit moving forward uh we still have to

682
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,080
acknowledge that today is uh July 8th

683
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,080
2026 and we have a we have a ways to go

684
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,320
and I just hope that with all the moving

685
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,039
parts that we have that um be before we

686
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:49,279
put something on the ballot that uh the rest of them are are caught up so

687
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,919
that the town residents can have a

688
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,080
clearer picture of what our finances

689
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,679
are. Thank you for taking my comment.

690
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,600
>> Thank you, Rita.

691
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,669
There any other public comments?

692
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,760
All right, I don't see any other hands

693
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,240
up online. So, I will close this

694
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320
item public comment and bring it back to

695
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640
the council for discussion. Any further

696
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,230
discussion?

697
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,760
» Thanks, somebody. I just wanted to thank

698
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,760
you for incredibly hard work that's gone

699
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,640
into this. I know cleaning up accounts

700
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
that you had nothing to do with and had

701
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,080
having to try and find uh missing

702
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,760
information, lost checks and all that

703
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,399
stuff. Put in place all sorts of new um

704
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:41,120
processes was a huge amount of work and

705
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,039
you definitely have my gratitude. Thank

706
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,230
you.

707
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,679
Yeah. Uh I have this similar statement.

708
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:51,279
Um

709
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,840
you and your whole staff and you know

710
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
the auditors working on this have not

711
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200
had a simple task. So while it looks

712
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,360
nice and tidy and short here, I know

713
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,120
that's not a reflection of the

714
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,559
complexity that you've been dealing

715
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,080
with. Um,

716
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,399
in terms of

717
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:13,200
not a granular level of detail, but an

718
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
overarching

719
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840
setting of expectation on the future

720
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
audits, my general sense had been this

721
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,320
is a super tough one, but once this is

722
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,720
kind of put in line, the others should

723
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,559
be a fraction of some nature of the

724
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,399
future ones. So, if you could just

725
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:34,559
comment directionally on how to think

726
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,480
about that, that would help me. Y

727
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,320
>> um yeah, this is this one was getting

728
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,720
over the hump.

729
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,760
>> 24 23 24

730
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,600
um

731
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360
is

732
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,279
pressing 24 25 26 um should um there

733
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,279
should not be any issues in regards to

734
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,039
providing information. Um and u they

735
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,360
should be done relatively uh

736
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,360
I don't want to say short manner but um

737
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,480
it'll be um

738
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,919
quicker than the previous audits.

739
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:15,679
And I guess the only since this is

740
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,000
discussion, the only request I have is

741
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,679
as you work through with the auditors,

742
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:23,519
obviously the the public comment

743
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,440
regarding the ballot measure is

744
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,120
something that's on all of our minds,

745
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,519
and I'm not asking tonight for granular

746
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,200
detail, but it this is a request for

747
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,679
updates from over the next several

748
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:38,080
months on where we are and what what's

749
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
realistic and expected. So, you don't

750
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,720
have to answer that now. There's not

751
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,799
something to go after there, but

752
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,559
>> we will have an update at the next

753
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:47,360
council meeting.

754
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,630
>> Great. Thank you.

755
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840
» I just wanted to share the enthusiasm

756
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,760
for the work you're doing and I really

757
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,840
appreciate it.

758
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Glad to see that we're getting onto the

759
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,159
slope and and heading down the slope to

760
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:07,279
get to the finish line. So,

761
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,839
>> thank you. Good luck.

762
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:13,200
>> Yeah. Um, can you remind me when you

763
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,079
what month and year you started?

764
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,839
>> May 2020.

765
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,679
>> Yeah. So, here you are having to

766
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,000
reconstruct

767
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,760
what other people left and you've put

768
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,560
done a great job. I know it's taken time

769
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,320
but you know good things take time and

770
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040
you did a really so kudos joining my

771
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280
colleagues and thank you for what you're

772
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,200
doing it is appreciated.

773
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,159
>> Thank you

774
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,599
>> and ditto I mean thank you Tony I mean

775
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,440
yman's work that you're doing we really

776
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,879
appreciate it and I'm looking forward to

777
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,440
the update at the next meeting.

778
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,839
All right, with that I'm gonna close 7A

779
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,159
and move to 7B,

780
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,639
which is Tony again.

781
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:57,040
>> Yeah.

782
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,359
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Um, if we need

783
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:03,599
>> I make a motion to accept the

784
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,119
>> audited financial statements.

785
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,200
>> Thank [clears throat] you very motion in

786
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,960
a second. All in favor say I.

787
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,160
>> I.

788
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,400
>> Any opposed? I hear no opposition. All

789
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,800
right. Now,

790
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
thank you. We'll move on to 7B.

791
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,359
>> Okay. Tony Tony gets a little break

792
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:22,400
first. We're this was really a team

793
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,599
effort, but I want to emphasize a budget

794
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,599
conscious team effort. So you're you're

795
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,680
looking at the team. We have only one

796
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,119
other person who's not here, Lauren

797
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,200
Tarpe, who's assisted us. Um, but I want

798
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,800
to emphasize because I think there was a

799
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,000
public question about, you know, has

800
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,599
this been expensive? Will it be

801
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,040
expensive in the future? And I just want

802
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,599
to emphasize we've we have done a lot of

803
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,880
work on this um to minimize the cost. we

804
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,720
don't have some expensive consultant

805
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,440
working for us it's it's rolling up our

806
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,240
sleeves and doing the work and when I

807
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,240
look to the future would this in incur

808
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,640
more cost for the town I don't see any

809
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,079
um we became a charter town so we here

810
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,880
to talk about sorry the uh review of the

811
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,760
draft ordinance presented potentially to

812
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,079
the voters that decision is not tonight

813
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,599
so this is essentially just a study

814
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,200
session no decisions are made um and we

815
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,720
have been working on this item for a

816
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,960
long time. It's tied into the audits,

817
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,599
but we the council's top priority this

818
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,400
year and last year is working on our

819
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,079
financial responsibility and long-term

820
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,839
viability. So, we've been doing a lot on

821
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,000
that. We've been doing

822
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,640
leading this backlog of audits, as you

823
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,160
heard, financial consultant best

824
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,920
practices. We got the user fee study and

825
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,720
adopted the master fee schedule done and

826
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,640
is being implemented. So, great work on

827
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,280
that. Um, and we're here tonight to talk

828
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,200
about a very key part of this fiscal

829
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,040
responsibility plan, which is the

830
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680
development of a town charter and real

831
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520
property transfer tax ordinance, which

832
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,200
would be placed on the November ballot

833
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200
should the council make that decision at

834
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,680
a future meeting. So, you've all seen

835
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,680
this many times.

836
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,000
It's the infamous black line. We already

837
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,760
know we have a structural deficit

838
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,839
because the council approved this fiscal

839
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,880
year budget with one. um and things are

840
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,680
just looking grim. So that's essentially

841
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,280
what we're trying to solve for. Um as I

842
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,119
mentioned in my town manager report, we

843
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,520
have had the portal valley conversation

844
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,359
starting last year with the scientific

845
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:28,240
survey and more recently with community

846
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,079
surveys and they've identified

847
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,920
priorities. I don't think this is

848
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,760
anything new to the the community that

849
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,680
we prioritize wildfire prevention,

850
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,520
emergency,

851
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,760
we want to preserve our town autonomy

852
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,599
and we want to focus on infrastructure

853
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,599
and Tony will present a little bit about

854
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,920
that. There's a lot of infrastructure

855
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,280
needs in this town that have been

856
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
neglected.

857
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,400
So, back in April, council directed this

858
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,359
team to prepare the charter and you

859
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:57,440
reviewed that in May and June. So, we've

860
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,280
completed the public hearings on those.

861
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,440
So, thank you very much. Um, I just want

862
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,960
to revisit it because it does tie into

863
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,160
this ordinance that you're reviewing

864
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,720
tonight. And the charter will lay the

865
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,280
groundwork for this revised ordinance by

866
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,040
converting the town from a general law

867
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,480
to a charter town. It's really important

868
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,200
um because without that, the town cannot

869
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,119
enact this ex um

870
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,440
real property transfer tax ordinance.

871
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,359
Really important to note this this

872
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,200
source of revenue goes entirely to the

873
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,359
town. Um and so we've finished the work

874
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:34,480
on the charter and just important to

875
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,800
note then this is this charter will

876
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,200
allow the town to adopt this real

877
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,280
property transfer tax beyond the state

878
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400
approved minimum. So right now there is

879
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,680
an existing tax we receive 55 cents per

880
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
thousand. Um and we have been collecting

881
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,160
that since we think 1967. Yeah. So our

882
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,839
current ordinance is that old. Um, and

883
00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:59,839
so if you look at the red line of the

884
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:00,960
ordinance that was attached to your

885
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960
staff report, it amends our existing

886
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,320
chapter 3.12 to eliminate and our

887
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,960
current existing documentary transfer

888
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,760
tax and we would replace it with a new

889
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
real property transfer tax. The amount

890
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,680
is not in the ordinance at this time

891
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,119
because we're not here to talk about the

892
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:18,960
amount tonight. I just want you to re

893
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,400
looking for you to review the ordinance.

894
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800
We'll be talking about the rate later.

895
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Um but I want to talk a little about bit

896
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,720
about exemptions because we got a public

897
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,640
comment on um and there's been some

898
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,160
questions that this ordinance approach

899
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,280
that we've presented is simple um and we

900
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,440
don't recommend any changes to the

901
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,800
current exemptions in the ordinance

902
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,440
which are consistent with state law.

903
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560
They are complicated exemptions and I I

904
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,800
guess I want to pause these are very

905
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,320
different than exemptions that you might

906
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,400
have heard of about related to like Prop

907
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,960
13. So, you know, like when properties

908
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,359
trans transferred from parents to

909
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:57,520
children or you move out of the county.

910
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,160
These are specific exemptions and

911
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,520
they're nothing new. Again, we've been

912
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,560
applying them since 1967.

913
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,079
Um,

914
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,599
the one that is most commonly used is if

915
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,599
there's a community property division on

916
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,320
a dissolution of a marriage or legal

917
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,720
separation. A lot of these other ones

918
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,240
are very rare and we either never use

919
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,720
them or would very rarely use them. Um

920
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,560
like for example, if the town were to

921
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,720
acquire property, we would not pay the

922
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,040
transfer tax. Same with other

923
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,599
governmental agencies. So I just want to

924
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,440
pause because we have had an interest in

925
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,880
these exemptions and I think they're

926
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,960
easily confused with like you know a

927
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200
senior exemption for a partial tax

928
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,839
measure or a Prop 13 exemption. These

929
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,359
are very different and they're in state

930
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,920
law and staff's recommendation right now

931
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,599
is to keep these simple, base them on

932
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,119
state law because we can always come

933
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,440
back and amend later. The amendments to

934
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,960
these exemptions are under council

935
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,640
control. So that would not need to go to

936
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,800
the voters. But throughout this whole

937
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,400
process, I've talked about keeping it

938
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,480
simple, keeping it streamlined, you

939
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,640
know, not and that ties in with

940
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,800
minimizing our upfront costs. Um, so I

941
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,000
mentioned that we're not here to talk

942
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,599
about the rate, but I just want you to

943
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,920
be aware that that will be presented at

944
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,880
the next meeting on July 22nd. But I

945
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,119
just want to pause um so that we don't

946
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,640
get distracted by the rate to just

947
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,280
mention important piece which is that

948
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
the council in this ordinance there is

949
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,200
language that allows the council to

950
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,160
reduce or repeal the rate without voter

951
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,000
approval. We have that currently from

952
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400
the for the UUT. I believe it has been

953
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,560
exercised. So, I just want to make sure

954
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,839
you're aware of that because that is

955
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,520
language here that you'll be reviewing

956
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,800
tonight and giving us feedback on. Um,

957
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,280
so we're marching towards the November

958
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,880
ballot. So, tonight's our meeting to

959
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,400
have your preliminary review of this

960
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
ordinance and then at the next meeting,

961
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760
we will give you a resolution to

962
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
consider to place this on the ballot

963
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,240
with the election being November 3rd.

964
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,240
And why are we doing this now? We are up

965
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,400
against a filing deadline of August 7th.

966
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,839
Important to note that this ordinance

967
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,800
and the charter would take effect if

968
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,800
approved by the voters. Um there's a

969
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,160
little bit of a distinction I just want

970
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,119
to mention with the effective date. It

971
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,359
would take effect 10 days after the

972
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,079
council certifies the election results.

973
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,640
If in fact it's passed the charter takes

974
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560
effect when the town files it with the

975
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,319
secretary of state and we should get the

976
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:31,030
election results on December 3rd.

977
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,760
So, and now we have a presentation by

978
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,349
Tony.

979
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,680
» So, I will be providing some additional

980
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640
context for your discussion.

981
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,990
Um,

982
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,560
this could be more related to what are

983
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,359
some of our long-term needs in relation

984
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:57,349
to uh council priorities.

985
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,880
Not looking for any direction or

986
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,319
decision tonight. This is just adding

987
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,720
some additional context um for your

988
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:15,910
discussion tonight.

989
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
So, here's the council priorities. Um

990
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,640
financial responsibility, long-term

991
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,480
diversity. Um these are what the budget

992
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,560
was um developed with uh in mind. Um the

993
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,640
you know we've identified these

994
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,079
priorities these they've been our

995
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,480
priorities uh for the past couple fiscal

996
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,359
years. We've added um community uh for

997
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,280
2627

998
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,640
um and you know but you know we've said

999
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,160
these are our priorities but what are

1000
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,480
the strategies that are going to be

1001
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,160
implemented with these priorities in

1002
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,520
mind. Um so you know when you say

1003
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,040
financial responsibility long-term

1004
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,440
viability what exactly is that? Um, so

1005
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,119
for the town, historically, the town has

1006
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,839
not had a long-term uh financial

1007
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:07,920
spending plan. Uh, we haven't

1008
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,680
prioritized

1009
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,760
uh we haven't identified what's what's

1010
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,400
going to be coming down the road. Um,

1011
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,720
and also we haven't prepared for a rainy

1012
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,680
day. Uh, if there's any type of economic

1013
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880
uncertainty or if there's any type of um

1014
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,400
natural uh disaster or emergency. Um and

1015
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,560
you know just with that in mind this

1016
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,599
winter we're anticipating in El Nino. Um

1017
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:35,440
so u but other policy uh questions that

1018
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,560
council will have to uh discuss is you

1019
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,079
know the reserve level is currently at

1020
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,599
20%. Um it was reduced from 60%. So the

1021
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,359
question will be is the reserve at 20%

1022
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:49,839
acceptable is it or do we do we want to

1023
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:51,839
increase reserves? if we want to

1024
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,440
increase reserves and we're gonna have

1025
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,280
to build in surpluses in the in future

1026
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,400
budgets. Um also there's been discussion

1027
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,040
at finance committee as well um about

1028
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
pension funding whether we want to make

1029
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,240
additional contributions to lower our

1030
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,760
pension liability. Um and you know these

1031
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,359
are like I said we're just identifying

1032
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,040
these. We're not we don't have a dollar

1033
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,599
amount um associated with them but these

1034
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:18,960
are things that will be further you know

1035
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800
developed if council does get that

1036
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,119
direction. Um and looking at safety

1037
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,880
obviously our sheriff contract that's

1038
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,040
going to increase every year. Um but

1039
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,400
every three to four years there's going

1040
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,800
to be a spike with labor when they go

1041
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,599
through labor agree or negotiations.

1042
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,960
um wildfire res resilience and um

1043
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
evacuation planning and implementation

1044
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,800
of the evacuation plan. We do have an

1045
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,359
evacuation plan, but we do not have the

1046
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:46,160
funds to implement that plan. Uh

1047
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319
wildfire resilience, we do have Woodside

1048
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:51,760
Fire Vegetation Management. Um it has

1049
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,880
been 80 days per year. However, last

1050
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,440
year we reduced that to 60 days and we

1051
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,760
we're keeping it at 60 days this year.

1052
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,520
But, you know, we would like to have

1053
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,440
some additional funding to increase

1054
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,000
those days because, um, having the town

1055
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400
resilient to wildfire is very important.

1056
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Um, also, emergency backup power and

1057
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,800
cooling centers. Um, our backup our

1058
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,760
power issues with the town have been at

1059
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,240
the forefront the past few months uh,

1060
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,000
with with the theft of copper pipe,

1061
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,240
copper wires, but we've also had just

1062
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,400
power outages. And when a power outage

1063
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,319
does hit the schoolhouse and that the

1064
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,720
schoolhouse is down for a significant

1065
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,359
amount of time, we lose the

1066
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:34,880
functionality of the equipment that's

1067
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,599
here. Um, also we do have a backup

1068
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,440
generator, but it's one, so we probably

1069
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,440
should uh consider some type of

1070
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,880
redundant backup system. Um, operational

1071
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,160
efficiency and effectiveness. Um, our IT

1072
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,280
infrastructure is aging. Um, and that's

1073
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,079
well documented. Um, we have aging

1074
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,720
equipment. We are in the process of

1075
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,160
selecting a new IT service provider. Um

1076
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,119
and um but again significant investment

1077
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,400
is going to be needed in our IT

1078
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,839
infrastructure. Um and that also

1079
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:11,119
includes our GIS systems. Um also

1080
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,119
increasing our customer service uh

1081
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,520
training our employees, retaining our

1082
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,040
employees um is uh essential for the

1083
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,119
town to be operationally efficient and

1084
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,640
effective. And we do and when we redo

1085
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,200
review some of these CIP projects that

1086
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000
uh we need to consider funding uh we

1087
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,200
need to have some grant writing

1088
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,359
capability uh which we currently do not

1089
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:37,440
have on staff at the moment.

1090
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,319
looking at community uh looking at town

1091
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,960
center facilities including Ford Field

1092
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,440
uh the town courts uh we do have some

1093
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,800
CIP projects impacting those areas that

1094
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,880
um quite frankly we might not have the

1095
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,560
funding for but we do have some grants

1096
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
available um we have talked

1097
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,280
significantly about storm drain master

1098
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,119
plan u the last one was done in 1970 uh

1099
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,880
three months after I was born um and

1100
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920
with the storm drain master plan uh is

1101
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,440
going to identify some repairs and those

1102
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,560
repairs are going to be in the millions

1103
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,960
of dollars. Um and because we we we have

1104
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,319
a good idea of the external parts of the

1105
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:19,920
storm drain because we can visibly see

1106
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,480
those. But the internal part of this of

1107
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960
the storm drain system, the the the

1108
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,119
corrugated metal or the corrugated

1109
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,960
steel, the PVC, we don't know the

1110
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,200
condition. We don't know if there any

1111
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:38,160
significant corrosion. Um but I mean the the master plan needs to be done. Uh

1112
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,240
and also we talked about you know

1113
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,119
modernization for greater resilience for

1114
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:44,480
power outages extreme heat and

1115
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
everything. Uh and then on the

1116
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,040
sustainability side developing a climate

1117
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,680
action plan implementing that plan. Um

1118
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,630
those are going to cost funds as well.

1119
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,079
So looking at the capital improvement

1120
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,160
program again with the evacuation plan.

1121
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,240
One of those was widening of Alpine

1122
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,240
Road. Um that is going to be north of a

1123
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,880
million right there. Uh we have streets

1124
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,839
and roads maintenance effort. Um we are

1125
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:13,440
required

1126
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,079
um to uh the general fund needs to

1127
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,680
contribute at least $350,000 per year

1128
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,240
into our streets and roads and that's

1129
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,680
where we have our street resurfacing

1130
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,880
program, our pavement management

1131
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,200
program. Um we have not been uh

1132
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,119
maintaining that effort in the last two

1133
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,920
fiscal years and we are subject of

1134
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,119
possibly having our SP1 funding uh

1135
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,240
withheld and that's about $125,000.

1136
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,119
Um and that's for transportation

1137
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,960
um and for other road improvement

1138
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,680
projects. Um again the Ford field

1139
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,319
bathroom and concession stand um those

1140
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:52,079
costs are going to exceed what the grant

1141
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,680
amount is that we have. Um and then also

1142
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,839
uh the town courts and just the other

1143
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:01,760
items that we've identified um that um

1144
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,839
you know we that council will need to

1145
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,640
consider uh moving forward should the uh

1146
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,640
if we do receive if the revenue measure

1147
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,880
does pass. But if it does if it does

1148
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,200
pass then these are uh conversations

1149
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,960
that we're going to need to have not

1150
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,160
just with the council but with the

1151
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,520
community as well. um just what um what

1152
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,960
services are they going to expect from

1153
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,309
the town.

1154
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:25,760
So these are some of the strategic

1155
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,440
investment priorities and we'll keep

1156
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,079
this chart up as we uh go through your

1157
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,280
discussion. Um and that concludes my

1158
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:39,349
report and give it back to council.

1159
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:41,760
» Okay. So there's kind of two parts to

1160
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,000
this. there's sort of our needs um and

1161
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,680
sort of potential revenue from RPTT and

1162
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,200
then there's the actual ordinance

1163
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,040
itself. Given it's going to be very

1164
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,800
clumsy to switch back and forth between

1165
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,040
the two presentations, why don't I

1166
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,559
suggest that we start with Tony's

1167
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,760
because it's up we ask any questions.

1168
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,319
I'll open it to public comment um and

1169
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:07,920
then we can come back and discuss this

1170
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,640
and move to the ordinance sort of do the

1171
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,400
same thing. I think that'll just keep it

1172
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,880
the most streamlined. So with that on

1173
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Tony's presentation, are there

1174
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:23,270
clarifying questions?

1175
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,760
» Yeah.

1176
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,359
Go ahead, please.

1177
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:29,280
>> Um, so thanks for that. Um,

1178
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,040
>> my my understanding of

1179
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,480
the intent behind this um is to remind

1180
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,079
us of what's at stake if we don't

1181
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,720
enhance the revenues and get to a place

1182
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,319
where we're more fiscally viable. So is

1183
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:51,200
it correct that these are

1184
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,480
really examples taken both from the

1185
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,200
public input but also our prior our

1186
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,040
prior discussions on we can't do that we

1187
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,880
can't do that it would be great to do

1188
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,079
that we need to do that um but it's not

1189
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,839
like a a throughz listing of everything

1190
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:11,520
is my interpretation

1191
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,280
>> but it's items that need to be

1192
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,440
considered uh moving forward and the

1193
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,920
alternative being Without the revenue

1194
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,720
measure, I'm going to be the finance

1195
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,240
director or the assistant town manager

1196
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:26,000
bringing a budget. That's going to be

1197
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,800
draconian.

1198
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,440
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and these are things at

1199
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,240
stake,

1200
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,119
>> right?

1201
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,000
>> If we don't somehow get to a better

1202
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,359
financial position,

1203
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,880
>> right? Specifically with the the

1204
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,599
evacuation plan, we're we have no

1205
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,880
funding for that. Mhm. Mhm.

1206
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,119
And that's not to say that we won't also

1207
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,960
seek grants for some of these things.

1208
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,599
These are we have degrees of freedom is

1209
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,079
my interpretation if we have more

1210
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,920
revenue to spend or to seek grants or do

1211
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,200
have a different playbook.

1212
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200
>> Right. And with grants there's there's

1213
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,440
still the matching component that will

1214
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,040
be coming out of the jungle.

1215
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,119
>> Yeah. Yeah. And if I could just so the

1216
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:08,400
other thing I think I heard from Judith

1217
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,480
is was the the sort of a couple of

1218
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,800
slides before this that that you showed

1219
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,559
those are just some examples like that

1220
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,079
wasn't an exhaustive list right that was

1221
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:17,599
just part a partial list

1222
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:18,960
>> including but not limited to

1223
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,800
>> yeah fine perfect okay yeah that's what

1224
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,079
I understood

1225
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,440
>> but I just want to because it's an

1226
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,079
important discussion and you know

1227
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,599
there's going to be a lot of work going

1228
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:33,040
forward is my sense to refine these to pick and choose but that's not

1229
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,280
today's task. today is to say

1230
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,359
>> this is just giving you context.

1231
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:37,839
>> Okay,

1232
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:39,280
>> because that you know you're going to be

1233
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,599
discussing the ordinance. The next

1234
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,839
>> conversation is the rate and it's based

1235
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,079
on what what do we need?

1236
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,839
>> Okay. All right. Those are my questions

1237
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,000
for Tony. Thank you.

1238
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,280
>> Thank you Rebecca. Do you have

1239
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440
questions?

1240
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,760
>> I guess just from a legal question legal

1241
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,000
standpoint when this list of things for

1242
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,599
example

1243
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:06,800
um falls into sort of the general expenses, right? General

1244
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,400
operating expenses.

1245
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,359
>> The general fund

1246
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:13,040
>> general fund expenses, right? Okay. Um I

1247
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,880
think that's it. That's pretty seem very

1248
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,160
clear. All the the extreme needs.

1249
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Thanks,

1250
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,359
>> Mary. Question.

1251
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:26,160
>> My question is u a higher level. As you

1252
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,319
move into uh this next phase, are you

1253
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:31,760
feeling like you've gotten to the bottom

1254
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,319
of the barrel of the problems or do you

1255
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:37,119
feel like there's another layer that I

1256
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,079
mean is there another infrastructure

1257
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:43,359
issue that we're looking at or is there

1258
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,119
do you do you see do you have a sense

1259
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,280
that you've actually accomplished you've

1260
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,760
dug all the way in?

1261
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,319
Yeah, I I believe storm drain is the

1262
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:55,440
highest priority. Our infrastructure, I

1263
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,640
mean, we do we do have funding for our

1264
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,680
streets. Um those are our two largest

1265
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,520
infrastructure u and trails. Um in

1266
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,839
regards to volume, the miles of roads

1267
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:11,040
and the miles of storm drains and um

1268
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,960
that you know, we have two people in

1269
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,359
public works that kind of keep an eye on

1270
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:18,559
these things for us. Um but the only

1271
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,280
other areas would be just our facilities

1272
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,839
itself. Uh the buildings that we're in

1273
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:26,000
are over 20 years old except I mean it's

1274
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,400
older than that. But

1275
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,160
you know we've been deferring

1276
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,599
maintenance on our facilities as well.

1277
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:35,280
uh that if we start looking more and

1278
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,000
more into it that yeah we might have to

1279
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,960
look at but for me the biggest concern

1280
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,400
is the storming

1281
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,680
>> and that's the most recent two the HVAC

1282
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,440
etc we're all old

1283
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,480
>> right

1284
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,319
>> okay the one the one thing that has

1285
00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:54,559
never um shown up on this is the idea of

1286
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,599
undergrounding the uh

1287
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,119
wires

1288
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:00,720
as a capital improvement

1289
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,839
>> that yeah that's that that would be the

1290
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:06,319
absolute uh looking down the barrel of

1291
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:06,880
the gun.

1292
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,880
>> Yeah, we're nowhere near

1293
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,599
>> having that.

1294
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,760
>> Thank you. That's that is my

1295
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,520
>> And I I think again these are examples,

1296
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,359
but I think the reason is undergrounding

1297
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,319
is prohibitively expensive. It's like $2

1298
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:19,680
million a mile.

1299
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,400
>> Like five five million a mile

1300
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,799
>> is now okay. I keep you know I remember

1301
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:26,160
the days it used to be a million dollars

1302
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,240
a mile. So if you probably have better

1303
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,400
data than I do, but the point is you you

1304
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,839
can imagine that that you know

1305
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:35,119
everything else we've talked about here

1306
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:36,640
would be dwarfed if we decided to

1307
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:37,119
underground [clears throat]

1308
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,520
>> I just wanted to know whether he had a

1309
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,079
sense that he was coming getting to the

1310
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,480
bottom of the

1311
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,280
cleanup

1312
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,960
>> can't can't get more bottom and storm

1313
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,799
drink [laughter]

1314
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:50,799
>> oh yeah there's the septic there's the

1315
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,960
septic

1316
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,040
there's sewer and septic Ellen

1317
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000
>> so um question

1318
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,470
obviously

1319
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,319
Um,

1320
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,400
obviously if if this if we were to vote

1321
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,720
and put this on, if we were not to if we

1322
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,440
were to vote against it, we would still

1323
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,680
have, for instance, the ongoing cost

1324
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,079
plus our pension liability.

1325
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:21,040
>> Correct.

1326
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,760
>> And could you talk speak to the pension

1327
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,280
liability issue that we're facing in

1328
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,880
town? um our our liability is about 2

1329
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,319
million and that's the difference

1330
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:35,280
between our our net li our total

1331
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,040
liability and our market value of

1332
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,760
assets. Uh the market value of assets

1333
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,000
fluctuates from year to year. Investment

1334
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,799
returns, contribution rates and all that

1335
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,400
other uh stuff. When it's good

1336
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,280
investment return year, it shrinks but

1337
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,640
it also expands and when they don't meet

1338
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,839
uh the goal um it's not going to go

1339
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:59,119
away. Um, you know, it's it's we're

1340
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:04,559
contractually obligated. Um, but um,

1341
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,599
you know, regardless of if it passes or

1342
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,520
not, we're still going to have to pay

1343
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,119
it.

1344
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:13,760
>> And that is that 2 million

1345
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,359
>> that's also including

1346
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,799
>> the U as well.

1347
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:18,880
>> And that's annually.

1348
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,440
No, what is that? So, so what what PERS

1349
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,920
does is they take the the pension

1350
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,920
liability and advertise it over a

1351
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,480
rolling 20-y year

1352
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,640
um cycle. And so we actually pay an

1353
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,480
additional

1354
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,720
I think it's going to be 190,000 this

1355
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,839
year on top of what we payroll

1356
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:43,359
deductions

1357
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:45,359
um in the budget.

1358
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:47,119
So, for instance, if we were to go

1359
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,359
bankrupt and the county were to take us

1360
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:53,680
over, they would need to find $2 million

1361
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,200
somehow to long-term from our assets.

1362
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,480
That is a legal conversation. There's

1363
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,280
been court cases. Uh there's no example

1364
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,000
of that happening, so I can't really

1365
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,839
answer that question, but it would be a

1366
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,520
legal kurfuffle.

1367
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,640
>> Hypothetical. I wanted to uh unwrap

1368
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,000
that.

1369
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,559
>> Okay.

1370
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,040
>> Leave that as a term legally.

1371
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,559
>> Okay. So, but we have an some Yes.

1372
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,960
obligation, contractual obligation.

1373
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:31,349
Correct. Okay. Great. Um,

1374
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:33,520
thank you. That's my questions. Thank

1375
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,000
you.

1376
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,319
>> Thank you, Helen. Um, Tony, this last

1377
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,319
slide that you put up, um, could you

1378
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:41,119
speak to this a little bit? So, is this

1379
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,119
your recommendation or staff's

1380
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,799
recommendation on various ranges? And

1381
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:47,119
>> yes,

1382
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,160
>> are you asking council to sort of weigh

1383
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,880
in and and sort of discuss some of these

1384
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,319
different because I mean obviously the

1385
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:55,839
sheriff's contract is, you know, we know

1386
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:58,160
what that is. It's 1.4 million and it's

1387
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,359
roughly an additional 200 to $250,000 a

1388
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:01,760
year.

1389
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,640
>> Correct.

1390
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,240
>> Just we know that until we get to a

1391
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,000
next, like you say, the next contract

1392
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,480
with the deputies. Um, but like the CIP

1393
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,520
fund, are you looking for us to weigh in

1394
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,200
on sort of do we go leaner or richer?

1395
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,480
And the same thing with ongoing

1396
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,480
expenses, do we go leaner or richer? Is

1397
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,000
that part of this discussion?

1398
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,480
>> Um, yes, but I mean it's more of a

1399
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,200
range.

1400
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:23,920
>> Okay.

1401
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,760
>> But the, you know, with with the sheriff

1402
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,720
services, I mean the 1.4 is basically to

1403
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,000
recover the cost increases over the last

1404
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,200
three to four fiscal years. uh CIP fund,

1405
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,319
you know, I my recommendation would be

1406
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:40,079
750,000

1407
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,640
uh per year. Um but you know, again,

1408
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,079
that's council has to give that

1409
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,359
direction. Um and that's, you know, 750,

1410
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,839
but minus 350 for roads, so that leaves

1411
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:53,520
400 for the CIP projects. Um but yeah,

1412
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,880
there could be some years where we

1413
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,200
invest more. Could be years where we

1414
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,520
actually just do the 350. uh other

1415
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,240
ongoing expenses. I mean that's going to

1416
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,599
fluctuate. Um the you know because

1417
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,680
there's personnel costs built into that

1418
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,799
increases with our medical um but you

1419
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:13,280
know there could be one time cost

1420
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,440
increases got to do another element

1421
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,559
update or um there's some other

1422
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,160
significant unfunded mandate that we

1423
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,559
have to take care of. Um, but this was

1424
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,160
just to kind of give you a range of

1425
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,359
between 2.3 and 3 million of the revenue

1426
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:30,480
needs that we're going to need uh just

1427
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,119
for ongoing operations and capital

1428
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:36,480
improvements.

1429
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,799
>> Okay. So, so the the goal of tonight is

1430
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:40,400
just to give us roughly an idea what the

1431
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,559
range is so that under next meeting Yes.

1432
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:43,920
>> when we're setting the rate, we can

1433
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,640
think about whether the rate gets us

1434
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,520
>> right

1435
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,839
>> a a annual revenue that we need. Is that

1436
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,359
okay, Got it. Okay. Great. Perfect.

1437
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:54,480
Thank you. Um, yeah, I think that's all

1438
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,640
my questions. So, let me open it up to

1439
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,240
public comment. So, I don't see

1440
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,440
>> Mayor I think it's fine to do public

1441
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,960
comment now. I just I did just want to

1442
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,520
flag that um you would probably want to

1443
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,000
do it a second time if Oh, you are going

1444
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:08,319
to do

1445
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,599
>> Yeah. My plan is to do public comment on

1446
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:10,000
Tony.

1447
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:10,880
>> Public comment twice. Okay.

1448
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,240
>> And then we'll do discussion on Tony's

1449
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,839
part and then we're going to go back to

1450
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:16,000
the ordinance and we'll do questions on

1451
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,680
the ordinance and public comment and

1452
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,640
then discussion.

1453
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,839
>> Okay. Okay, we sort of broke it into

1454
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:21,280
two, but because the slide,

1455
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,040
>> this is Yes, it's one agenda item. So,

1456
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,319
normally we would just do one public

1457
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,319
comment, but uh discretion of the

1458
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,079
council to do multiple public comments.

1459
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:29,760
>> Yeah, I think it's just that that'll let

1460
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,599
people comment on parts that they care

1461
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:33,359
about. Um because otherwise people going

1462
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,079
to potentially, you know, the council's

1463
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,280
going to want to bring up the other deck

1464
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,200
and then we'll spend minutes doing that.

1465
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,839
So, okay. So, with that, let me open a

1466
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:46,079
public comment on Tony's slides. So, I

1467
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:47,839
don't see any hands in the schoolhouse

1468
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:51,920
um online. I see Rita. Rita, go ahead.

1469
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
>> Hi, thank you for taking my comment. Um,

1470
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,760
I I just I have one simple one. Uh, what

1471
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,520
if this stuff doesn't pass in November?

1472
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,640
Uh, what becomes of us and uh there was

1473
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,680
a recent article in uh about Brisbane

1474
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,599
and their housing element and some other

1475
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,880
things and we were mentioned in it. Um,

1476
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,559
you know, how how does all of this

1477
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,359
affect us if if this doesn't pass? Thank

1478
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:19,520
you.

1479
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,319
Okay. Um Tony, do you want to just

1480
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:24,400
provide a a quick answer to I I know

1481
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,599
you've sort of said it already, but you

1482
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,760
want to just remind

1483
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,119
the public to get this. So

1484
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,720
>> So the you know it would be we're we're

1485
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
then bound by the policy of maintaining

1486
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,720
the 20% reserve. So and that would be

1487
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,799
done on the expense side.

1488
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:41,200
>> Okay.

1489
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,680
>> And um we really can't do anything with

1490
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,839
the sheriff's contract.

1491
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:48,240
um we can reduce the use of consultants,

1492
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,760
we can further reduce uh wildfire

1493
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,079
um mitigation. Uh but it would come at

1494
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,359
the on the back so staff um to balance

1495
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:00,240
the budget,

1496
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,920
>> right? So I think like all the long-term

1497
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,440
needs you just showed us, we'd do none

1498
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,799
of those.

1499
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,160
>> We wouldn't put any money into our

1500
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,359
capital fund

1501
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,119
>> and we would cut staff. I think that's

1502
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:10,960
>> and we would lose our SB1 funding and

1503
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,319
we'd lose

1504
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:12,640
>> Yeah.

1505
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,480
then we would be going back into

1506
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,319
where we were four or five years ago,

1507
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:18,960
>> right? Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, any

1508
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,720
other public comment on Tony's.

1509
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,039
>> All right, going once, going twice. All

1510
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,359
right, I don't see any hands. So Tony,

1511
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:28,799
thank you very much. Um, that's really

1512
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,240
helpful and I think it's going to help

1513
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,160
inform our discussions at our next

1514
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,039
meeting. So with that, Darcy, can we go

1515
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:36,480
back to your slide deck?

1516
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,520
>> I thought I'm sorry.

1517
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,480
>> I thought we were gonna

1518
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,599
>> We're just I'm sorry. I I apologize. I I

1519
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,079
get confused by separating this as well.

1520
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,480
So now can I'll bring it back to the

1521
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,559
council for discussion on Tony's part

1522
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,000
and then we'll go to the next part. My

1523
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,480
apologies.

1524
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,319
>> The finance committee will be discussing

1525
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:57,280
this on Tuesday as well. Great.

1526
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,960
>> Thank you. Okay. Yeah. And thank you

1527
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,359
Judith. Okay. Go ahead.

1528
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:03,599
>> Um All right. If you want me to go

1529
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,480
first. Um,

1530
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,880
so the the question on leaner or richer,

1531
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,359
um, I mean I to do this all properly

1532
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:18,559
probably takes five to 10 Tony's over

1533
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,920
three years. Not no offense intended.

1534
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,559
Um, and so I think for myself, I find

1535
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,319
those ranges and those parameters very

1536
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:32,960
helpful to think about. So, I I do think

1537
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,920
they're really helpful context, but I do

1538
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,160
think that I'm personally not prepared

1539
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,960
to say, "Well, that one ought to be 750

1540
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,440
or eight." Like, I think the range that

1541
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,760
you suggested for me, I'm not going to

1542
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,359
second guess because I don't I don't

1543
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:50,880
find that a useful um endeavor and I

1544
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,319
think it's a little bit outside of

1545
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,400
what's practical tonight and that's just

1546
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,280
speaking for me. Um the other thing is

1547
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,039
there are two aspects of the question.

1548
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,160
what if it doesn't pass? One is um you

1549
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,720
know severe reductions, right? Um but we

1550
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,240
haven't said you know a backup plan for

1551
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,880
additional revenue enhancements going

1552
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,760
forward. So, tell me if I'm wrong, but

1553
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,799
to me,

1554
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:24,079
among other things, and I defer to staff

1555
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,960
and and council on this, you could be

1556
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,119
looking at a special election and a

1557
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:30,559
different approach for revenue

1558
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,480
enhancement in March at some cost. Like,

1559
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,559
tell me if that's wrong. But but I do

1560
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,280
think the public has to understand

1561
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,520
while we're trying here our best to do

1562
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,480
what's right in one shot.

1563
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,160
It would be some more likely some

1564
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,720
combination of severe cutbacks and

1565
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,720
trying again with something else.

1566
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,240
>> Right. We'd have to declare a fiscal

1567
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,319
emergency immediately.

1568
01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:56,960
>> Yeah.

1569
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,359
>> To be on the March

1570
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:00,880
>> ballot.

1571
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,640
and but yeah, there would be some

1572
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,280
significant cost because, you know,

1573
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,039
we'll probably be the only one having a

1574
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,799
special election in March or fewer uh

1575
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,799
towns would have items on the ballot.

1576
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:14,319
So, there'll be a higher cost for that

1577
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:15,200
election.

1578
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,240
>> Yeah.

1579
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,200
>> Um but yeah, and it would be what other

1580
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,520
revenue uh options um would we consider?

1581
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,000
>> Yeah. And I'm not saying I advocate for

1582
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,079
that. I just think people have to

1583
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,920
understand there's tools out there and

1584
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,839
you know they're not our preferred route

1585
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:35,599
but there are tools out there to

1586
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:38,079
consider in real time as we go forward

1587
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:39,440
because there's no guarantee

1588
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,079
>> right

1589
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:40,400
>> okay

1590
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,000
>> and Jude if I could just add to that I

1591
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,280
mean the finance committee also

1592
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,640
discussed some of this and there are

1593
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,280
other options like a lease back

1594
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,839
>> where we basically you know the the

1595
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:51,839
county you know takes our buildings and

1596
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:53,440
we lease them back from them. I mean,

1597
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,039
none of them seem like great options,

1598
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,640
but right, you know,

1599
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,680
>> I think those options though take effect

1600
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,680
as your reserve gets lower and lower. I

1601
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,599
mean, so I mean that obviously we still

1602
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:04,960
have a reserve and we can still use it

1603
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,200
for a while, but at some point we need

1604
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,920
to keep enough for an absolute emergency

1605
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,280
and we need to keep the lights on. So, you're absolutely right. I mean,

1606
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,119
there's some combination, but they all

1607
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:16,960
seem pretty drastic. So,

1608
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,040
>> and for what it's worth, I've been in a

1609
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,880
lot of the finance committee meetings

1610
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,040
and we did discuss at a couple years ago

1611
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,719
at a council meeting whether or not to

1612
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:29,759
declare a fiscal emergency. So, we as a

1613
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:33,199
council have had these concepts floated

1614
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,839
in the past. We would have to take that

1615
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:38,159
out, dust it off again, and figure out

1616
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,560
what if anything

1617
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,719
um as a game plan. Okay. Thank you.

1618
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:44,560
That's it.

1619
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,480
>> Thank you, Judith. Becca, do you have

1620
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:51,669
any comments?

1621
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:54,960
» So, I would say that the range that

1622
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,199
you've provided, that staff has provided

1623
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:00,560
is pretty realistic. Um, I mean, we

1624
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,199
really need to face reality here. We've

1625
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,440
been delaying our maintenance for

1626
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:08,480
several years. Um costs have been going

1627
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:12,400
up everywhere. Whether it's um

1628
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,159
insurance, health insurance, the

1629
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,239
sheriff's contract, we know that's

1630
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:20,239
getting to be crazy. Um

1631
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,600
staff costs. Um we haven't been paying

1632
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,880
staff enough to keep up with the market.

1633
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,080
Um we we just know that to have a stable

1634
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,319
and resilient community, we have to pass

1635
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:42,319
some type of revenue measure. So, I I I

1636
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,839
feel like the numbers that that have

1637
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:45,839
been provided, the the lists of

1638
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:48,319
potential things that we've delayed not

1639
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,719
doing, that we really need to be doing

1640
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,799
to secure the town, to make the town

1641
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:54,880
safe, so that we don't have a blowout in

1642
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,719
our storm drain, so we don't have so

1643
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:59,360
that we have better evacuation

1644
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,120
uh routes, so that we have better

1645
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,520
clearance of our brush. These are all

1646
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,640
critical for the working of the town. Um

1647
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,239
and that includes also supporting our

1648
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,080
staff. Um having a full staff that uh

1649
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,760
can handle all the responsibilities that

1650
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,080
we have enough bandwidth to deal with

1651
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,520
anything that happens whether it's an

1652
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,239
emergency, whether it's uh the new new

1653
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:25,840
laws that come down every year. Um so I think the range is realistic. I I

1654
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,418
might

1655
01:10:27,418 --> 01:10:28,880
[laughter] I mean the finance committee

1656
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,080
will play around with the numbers as

1657
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,400
well and try to kind of give us some

1658
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,640
recommendations I guess in terms of

1659
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,760
where they fall out but you know I would

1660
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,280
probably put us in the middle of that

1661
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,080
range or maybe a little bit bit on the

1662
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,880
slightly lower side and go out with that

1663
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,440
and then you know depending on how the

1664
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,640
market is, how the sales go um we'll be

1665
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,960
able to kind of um gauge how well we're

1666
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,159
doing and how well um the money that's

1667
01:10:58,159 --> 01:10:59,600
coming in through this through a

1668
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,840
potential transfer tax covers our needs.

1669
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,080
Um and it at least will give us a

1670
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,560
several years of of being able to be

1671
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,560
more stable and solve some of the

1672
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,239
problems, some of the unmet needs. Um so

1673
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,440
that would be my where I'm at with this.

1674
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,159
>> Great. Thank you.

1675
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,120
>> Can I go next?

1676
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,159
>> All right. Thank you.

1677
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,880
>> Sure. Um,

1678
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,600
so, uh, first of all, I just wanted, you

1679
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,440
know, we've had some comments about the

1680
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,360
question on parcel taxes. So, I'm

1681
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,960
backtracking a little bit because I want

1682
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,960
this publicly on the record. We did have

1683
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,040
the conversation on, you know, about

1684
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,320
whether to move forward with the

1685
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,320
transfer tax or parcel tax. So, I'm just

1686
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,960
reminding the public that we did um,

1687
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,960
vote 5 to zero to move forward with the

1688
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,360
transfer tax um because, you know, we

1689
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,520
all decided that that made the most

1690
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,679
sense. um because of the ongoing lots of

1691
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,920
ongoing cost of living and this would

1692
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,080
increase proportionally over time

1693
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,840
continuing

1694
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,760
um in terms of uh where we should come

1695
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,400
in on the amount is kind of what I'm

1696
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,320
hearing. There's been a statewide

1697
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,080
conversation because of the Howard

1698
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,440
Jarvis um ballot measure about the

1699
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,480
amount um and whether you know whether

1700
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,560
or not and what we pulled at at 1% is

1701
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,239
exactly

1702
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,719
allowed. We could go higher, we can go

1703
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:30,560
less, but 1% is what we pulled at. And

1704
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,920
that was, you know, we can go up to 1.1

1705
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,600
or 1.5 is what is what just happened to

1706
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,920
get Howard Jarvis to pull it off the

1707
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,480
ballot. Um, [clears throat] so, you

1708
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,440
know, at 1% what we pulled at is exactly

1709
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:51,600
we are in the complete uh sweet spot for

1710
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,199
that. Um, I know like state of Hawaii

1711
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,239
does 7 and a half%. It's insane for

1712
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,560
people who live out, but state of

1713
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,640
California with Howard Jarvis pressuring

1714
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,560
like this is we are in the sweet spot of

1715
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,159
what we can do. Um, so I just wanted to

1716
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,600
state that. Um, and then the exemptions.

1717
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,840
Um, what no one asked about is the

1718
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,440
comments and I'm sorry to bring this

1719
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,199
back up. That's later. Okay. Okay. Um,

1720
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,840
so those are my comments. Thank you.

1721
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,040
>> Thank you, Mary.

1722
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,480
Well, um just in a general sense, I'm I

1723
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,199
feel that the value of our our community

1724
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:36,080
is it is in its stability. Um and uh

1725
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,719
without financial stability, uh the

1726
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,320
value of our properties, the value of

1727
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,080
our town is greatly diminished. And uh

1728
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,000
this is something we have to do. Um, and

1729
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,960
this we've put a lot of thought and and

1730
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,280
care into making sure it was done in a

1731
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,679
way that was as painless and as

1732
01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:00,320
effective as possible. Um, and of course

1733
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,880
I'm fully supportive.

1734
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,560
I also think u that

1735
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,960
I believe we pulled at 10% but at any

1736
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,320
rate the uh

1737
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,440
>> No, it's $10 per thousand which is one%.

1738
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:18,719
Thank you. That helps me. um the uh

1739
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:21,360
that we we need to we need to actually

1740
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840
make sure that we get our reserve back

1741
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,520
up to what we considered safe before in

1742
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,679
less risky times. We're now in more

1743
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:32,000
risky times, more climate instability.

1744
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,120
We have more need for reserve, not less.

1745
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,520
And uh and I think the value of our

1746
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,120
community is diminished by not moving.

1747
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,280
>> Thank you, Mary.

1748
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,800
So, I just wanted to say thank you. I

1749
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,239
thought the the list was helpful. Um, I

1750
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,520
think it's worth noting that this isn't

1751
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,800
a sort of shopping list of all possible

1752
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,719
things we could spend money on. This is

1753
01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:59,760
already clearly a paired down list. So,

1754
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,280
the range you're proposing doesn't fund

1755
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,600
all the needs that you listed. And the

1756
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,280
things you listed were only some of the

1757
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,920
examples. So, you know, our long-term

1758
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,600
needs are probably much greater than

1759
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,520
this. But I think we as a town have

1760
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,239
always been fiscally responsible um and been a low tax. So and so I think

1761
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:21,600
we're balancing the serious needs, storm

1762
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,800
drains, wildfire, evacuation,

1763
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,320
those things feel like things that need

1764
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,840
to get funded and we need to find a way

1765
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,840
to fund it. So but I just wanted to be

1766
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,199
clear that there are a lot of things

1767
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,360
we'd like to do that aren't on this list

1768
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,600
and aren't going to get done.

1769
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,440
And the other thing I would add is we

1770
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,360
also have the option as this once we

1771
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,120
figure you know if we figure out sort of

1772
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,600
roughly the revenue and roughly the rate

1773
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,040
based on the ordinance we'll get to in

1774
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,320
this next section. We also have the

1775
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,360
ability to adjust those if we were

1776
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,840
collecting too much money. So that's the

1777
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,440
other thing I feel comfortable with that

1778
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,560
range. Um so with that um I'm going to

1779
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,320
close this section but thank you. I

1780
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,159
think this was very helpful and I look

1781
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,000
forward to the finance committee next

1782
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,510
Tuesday.

1783
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,800
Okay. Now, now that I've split one

1784
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,719
agenda item into two parts, can we go

1785
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:12,400
back to the first part of the agenda

1786
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,760
item? Um, are there any questions for

1787
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,070
Darcy and Katherine?

1788
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:20,640
» Yep.

1789
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,679
>> Okay. Start with you, Judith.

1790
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:27,040
>> Sure. Um, and some of these are

1791
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,679
reflected in a public comment as well,

1792
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:33,120
and I think it's helpful to get people

1793
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,159
oriented to ask them anyway since they

1794
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,560
over overlapped in part with mine. And

1795
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,640
the first area,

1796
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,760
and I don't really have a great sense of

1797
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,960
them. Obviously, the concern is the

1798
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,480
exemptions swallow the upside. So, I

1799
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:55,120
want to make sure I understood. Um, the

1800
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,960
first one, exemption instrument to

1801
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,800
secure debt. That would be we're not

1802
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,800
taxing a mortgage. Is that essentially

1803
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,960
it? But, but somebody, even if someone's

1804
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,679
buying a house with a mortgage, the

1805
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:09,760
purchaser and the seller still have to

1806
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,520
come up with the money. We're just not

1807
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,840
going after the banks providing the

1808
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:14,480
mortgage.

1809
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:15,679
>> That is correct. Or if someone just

1810
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:18,560
refinances, um, they would not be, you

1811
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:19,920
know, they would be exempt from paying

1812
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,400
taxes. This is again this is an existing

1813
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,440
um exemption. Um since 1967 the town of

1814
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,600
Portulla Valley has had this exemption

1815
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,840
um and all of the ones actually almost

1816
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,199
all of them there a couple of that were

1817
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,520
amended in 1987. Uh but these have been

1818
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,440
on the books and so the proposal is to

1819
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,840
keep those in place with no changes.

1820
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,120
>> Yeah. And apologies if I'm raising old

1821
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,920
and cold, but I do want to understand

1822
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,080
because there's a proposal for

1823
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,960
considering other

1824
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,560
while we're looking at it that I

1825
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,159
understand. The other one um that I had

1826
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,480
a question

1827
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:00,960
about was um the continuing partnership.

1828
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,280
Again, this has to do with um the way a

1829
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,199
property is held, but does this take out

1830
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:14,080
of the applicability of the tax anything

1831
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,239
held in a partnership? Like it's pretty

1832
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,320
tough to read and I want to make sure

1833
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,320
that we're not creating loopholes where

1834
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,800
people can hold things in a certain way.

1835
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,560
It's unlikely, but I just want to ask

1836
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,000
that question. Yeah. Yeah. This I you're

1837
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,000
right. This exemption is quite dense.

1838
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,360
Again, this is based on um state law and

1839
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,440
um is also one of those that's been in

1840
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,600
place for a long time. The idea behind

1841
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,199
this one is that when partnership

1842
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,800
interests um change hands, the property

1843
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,640
held by the partnership is not taxed. Um

1844
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,560
but when the partnership terminates, the

1845
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,199
property it owns is taxed, but no more

1846
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,560
than one time.

1847
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,840
>> Okay. Okay. And the public comment had

1848
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,920
said, you know, maybe there's an

1849
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:03,360
exemption for people who incur these,

1850
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,520
you know, a buy and a sell within a

1851
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,120
certain period of time. And I'm sure

1852
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:12,400
this is old, you know, trotten path that

1853
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,239
one of the downsides of creating that

1854
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,719
type of exemption could be that we're

1855
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,960
kind of encouraging flipping and and

1856
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,400
also we don't know if this is even an

1857
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,400
issue in town. So, let me know if

1858
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,239
there's any background here or framework

1859
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:30,159
to apply as as I consider my view on

1860
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:31,360
that.

1861
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,480
>> I I'll just note yes, I did um notice

1862
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320
that comment as well. And you know, the

1863
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,640
count big picture, the council does have

1864
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,120
discretion to add additional exemptions

1865
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,840
either now um before it goes to the

1866
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,800
voters or if passed um the council

1867
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,320
retains that discretion to add

1868
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,120
additional exemptions. Um, you know,

1869
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,400
Darcy and I have looked at a lot of

1870
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,679
other um, ordinances. Um, probably a

1871
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:58,480
dozen different, you know, or ordinances

1872
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,760
by charter towns and cities and and some

1873
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,640
of them do add additional exemptions.

1874
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,159
Um, again, we're not um recommending

1875
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:10,159
that at this time, but the the council

1876
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,400
retains that discretion. Yeah, I mean

1877
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,640
I'm all in

1878
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,280
keeping simple is good, but also um

1879
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,440
making sure we're like streamlining.

1880
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,560
But my question is if we did want to

1881
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,239
create another exemption, does that is

1882
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,640
that a vote or is that an ordinance that

1883
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,239
the council has the right to change? Uh

1884
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,239
so so the council would have the right

1885
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,400
to change that. So if if it goes to the

1886
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,159
vote, let's say you added that exemption

1887
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,960
in this um you know in this and decided

1888
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,560
to change your mind later, the council

1889
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,320
could make that make that change.

1890
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,040
>> Okay.

1891
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,920
>> And can I add on or

1892
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,360
>> so

1893
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,679
>> I understand we could add an exemption

1894
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:56,000
to basically protect people if they sold

1895
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,159
within a certain period or something.

1896
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:00,480
But presumably you can't make an

1897
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,840
exemption that would actually increase

1898
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,400
the tax. Is that correct? Without a

1899
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,920
vote.

1900
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,400
I mean, I just I mean, just think

1901
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,120
probably somewhere in this legal

1902
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,800
framework, something that would prevent

1903
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,120
us from like if we deleted all of these

1904
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,880
exemptions,

1905
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,040
>> then that would have an increased tax

1906
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,560
consequence and presumably we couldn't

1907
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,000
do that. Is that correct?

1908
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,679
>> That would require some legal research,

1909
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:25,360
I would say. Um,

1910
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,719
>> I'm not thinking we would do that. I

1911
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:28,159
think we're I would be happy with this,

1912
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,760
but I was just trying to understand.

1913
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,640
Yeah. that I'm guessing that we are

1914
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,440
talking about decreasing tax burden, not

1915
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:36,159
increasing tax.

1916
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:37,679
>> Correct. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. And thank

1917
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:38,400
you, Judith. Go ahead.

1918
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,920
>> Yeah. No, that that's fine. That's a

1919
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,600
good good flip side of what I was trying

1920
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:46,719
to get at. And the um the costs of

1921
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:48,800
operating in the city like this isn't

1922
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,360
quite this. It's a different but I think

1923
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,440
Darcy in your presentation you kind of

1924
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:56,400
were covering if I understood correctly

1925
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,960
that the costs of operating under this

1926
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,840
framework there's no anticipated

1927
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,239
significant addition once we get through

1928
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:05,920
something

1929
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,719
operationally.

1930
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:09,760
>> That's correct. Okay. Thank you.

1931
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:14,229
>> Uh let me just click through.

1932
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:16,320
» No, those are my questions. Thank you.

1933
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,159
>> Thank you.

1934
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,840
Becca, you want to go next?

1935
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,800
>> Um, I guess I asked this privately to

1936
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,719
the town manager, but um,

1937
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:29,600
in terms of ballot language, we would

1938
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,350
just

1939
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,320
in the actual ballot language. So, we're

1940
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,080
not going to or would this exhibit A

1941
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,159
actually show up somewhere in the

1942
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,400
booklet or or or how how does that

1943
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,600
actually work? Um yeah, the um that will

1944
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,239
be decided at the next meeting. Um but

1945
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,080
the council would have discretion to

1946
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,840
print the entire text of the ordinance

1947
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,960
in the ballot pamphlet. Um and I I I

1948
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,560
will just double check. I I there may be

1949
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,480
an extra additional cost for that. So

1950
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:01,679
we'll actually might want to run that

1951
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:04,719
run down um the costs for printing the

1952
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:07,520
entire um ordinance for for for next

1953
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:12,550
time. Yeah,

1954
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,080
» I don't have other questions. Thank you.

1955
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,080
Mary. Questions?

1956
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,080
>> Well, uh I I

1957
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,679
suppose I I maybe we've done this, but I

1958
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,560
suppose I'd like to ask what we think

1959
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,800
what the council thinks about Bill

1960
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,080
Urban's suggestions for exemptions

1961
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,600
and whether you can say anything about

1962
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:34,719
that or not.

1963
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:36,639
>> So whether the the council will discuss

1964
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:38,320
it when we get to council discuss that

1965
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,840
did you mean to ask what the council

1966
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:40,719
thinks?

1967
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:41,199
>> Staff

1968
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,719
>> or ask the staff.

1969
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:43,600
>> Oh, yes. He said,

1970
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:44,480
>> "Okay."

1971
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,280
>> Is that wrong?

1972
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,719
>> No, but you said you're asked what

1973
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:48,320
council thought. No, you meant what

1974
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:49,600
staff.

1975
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,880
>> Got it. Oh, our attorney.

1976
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,880
>> We have an attorney who is a counsel.

1977
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:53,199
Sorry.

1978
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:54,639
>> Yeah, it's a it's a confusing use of the

1979
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:58,962
word then. No problem. I understand.

1980
01:23:58,972 --> 01:24:00,239
[laughter]

1981
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,880
>> So, uh I I would want to research that a

1982
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:08,239
little bit more um in in terms of the

1983
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:09,760
whether that would have any impact. I

1984
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,040
guess work with Tony actually to see

1985
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,800
what kind of impact it might have on

1986
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,159
revenue uh projections. U adding that

1987
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:19,040
additional exemption. Uh and I'd want to

1988
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,960
look at I guess other other samples.

1989
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Like I mentioned, we've looked at

1990
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,159
probably a dozen other um RPT ordinances

1991
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:29,520
and I haven't seen this one. Um so I

1992
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,280
would just want to, you know, make sure

1993
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,880
it could be implemented. Um yeah, and

1994
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,600
we're feasible. I don't have a policy

1995
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,120
leaning one way or the other about

1996
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,800
whether it's a good or a bad idea, but

1997
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,400
those are those are my thoughts. There

1998
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,800
was also a comment that was in that same

1999
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,360
um and forgive me if you're not asking

2000
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,760
about this, but about the operative

2001
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:50,960
versus effective date.

2002
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,080
>> Yeah, I was going to ask about that one.

2003
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,400
The 30 days versus 30 days.

2004
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:55,760
>> Yeah, I'll go ahead and answer that one,

2005
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,000
too. So, uh, staff's, you know,

2006
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,360
recommendation has has for quite a while

2007
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,280
been to, you know, if passed, get this

2008
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,800
on the books and going as soon as

2009
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,960
possible for two reasons. One is the

2010
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,639
town needs the money. The other reason

2011
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:11,199
is that the Howard Jarvis measure going

2012
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,000
to be on the same ballot and um it was

2013
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000
basically a race to see which one would

2014
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,320
go into effect first because there was a

2015
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:19,840
grandfathering prison provision in the

2016
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,760
Howard Jarvis measure. Um now that um

2017
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,080
that is no longer the case there's still

2018
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,560
the the first reason is you know I think

2019
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,880
from staff's and I really Darcy and Tony

2020
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,440
speak to this more more readily um the

2021
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,679
sooner the better in terms of revenue

2022
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,520
generation is generally the staff's

2023
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,600
perspective but I will say you know in

2024
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,800
looking at the dozen or so ordinances um

2025
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,600
there are some that actually do choose a

2026
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,719
date certain um uh even potentially a

2027
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:51,360
few months later to have like July

2028
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,719
uh to have the tax go into effect. So

2029
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:55,920
that would be a council decision.

2030
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,760
>> And if I could follow up because that my

2031
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,159
question was I mean given that the the

2032
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,679
election is early November and it gets

2033
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:06,880
certified a month later and then we

2034
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,960
enact it 10 days after that. There

2035
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,639
actually is 30 days plus 10 days from

2036
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:15,840
the time it goes on the ballot. So, I I

2037
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,719
appreciated the public comment in the we

2038
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:20,080
don't want somebody to have entered into

2039
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,560
a transaction and then gone, "Oh, I had

2040
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,000
no idea this was going to happen." But

2041
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,600
at this point, I mean, it's going to be

2042
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,520
over 30 days where they're know it's

2043
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:28,960
they know it's on the ballot. They may

2044
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,560
not know the result because we won't

2045
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,560
know the result, but I would say from a transaction, if I were in one of those

2046
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,719
transactions, I would be assuming that I needed to think about that. So is that

2047
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:42,480
a reasonable way to think about that

2048
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,120
part of the the sort of public comment

2049
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,120
which it was sort of a fairness the way

2050
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:47,679
everybody was

2051
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,360
>> yeah I I would say so I mean you know if

2052
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,960
the council put puts this on the ballot

2053
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,480
in two weeks then there would be you

2054
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:53,920
know notice that this is a possibility

2055
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,679
and then as you say um you know

2056
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:57,440
basically the election results you can

2057
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,920
you know are ascertainable within within

2058
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,760
about a week of the election

2059
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,520
>> right even though it's not official.

2060
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:04,400
>> Even though it's not official.

2061
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,520
>> Perfect. Thank you.

2062
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,520
>> Okay Mary other Thank you. I didn't mean

2063
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,239
to

2064
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:12,080
>> No, it's fine. I I uh it's a lot to take

2065
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,360
in and and I appreciate the discussion.

2066
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,080
>> No questions.

2067
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,760
>> Okay, Ellen.

2068
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:23,040
>> Um I do have some questions. So um

2069
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,360
uh does staff have an opinion on the

2070
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,280
three years versus the five years

2071
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,159
exemption idea?

2072
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,560
>> So I'll just say I don't recommend we

2073
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,719
add any exemptions. Our mission this

2074
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:36,880
whole process has been keep it simple,

2075
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,760
keep it streamlined.

2076
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,120
We've presented you with our

2077
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,080
recommendation and the other factor is

2078
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,480
that we we've been working on modeling

2079
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,120
you know the fiscal anal impact and the

2080
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,080
minute you start adding in exemptions

2081
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,320
you're muddling with that. My advice is

2082
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,000
just what we said earlier, which is that

2083
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,320
we recommend we exemptions that are in

2084
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,639
our current ordinance. Don't make any

2085
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:08,000
changes. We can certainly entertain any

2086
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,960
changes in the future, but I think we're

2087
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,560
just getting a little ahead of ourselves

2088
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,480
right now.

2089
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:14,880
>> Okay.

2090
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,639
>> Just caution you not to.

2091
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:19,840
>> Right. And in terms of the partnership

2092
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,800
exemption, obviously under IRS it looks

2093
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,960
like, but my understanding is like

2094
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,800
Disney has used it to avoid. Right.

2095
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,400
>> Well, and again, we can look at that's

2096
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,080
another thing we could look at if we

2097
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,520
need to. I would also emphasize that,

2098
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,840
you know, this tax is in effect in over

2099
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,159
500 counties and right now, and their

2100
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,080
ordinances largely mirror what we have

2101
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,920
right now. the minute we start getting

2102
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,480
unique, you start confusing realators

2103
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,960
who work across the entire state and I

2104
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,560
just wouldn't recommend that. Um, but

2105
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,800
yeah, we if we do have issues and it's

2106
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,639
important to note that we can amend this

2107
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,960
ordinance

2108
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,040
quickly if we need to. I mean, you need

2109
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,520
introduction adoption, but that could be

2110
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,760
done a month in a month if we need to.

2111
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,080
>> Okay. Um

2112
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:14,480
what about Proposition 19 and the you

2113
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,360
know transfers from

2114
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:18,880
>> Yeah. Again so as I said earlier

2115
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,400
Proposition 13 tax implications those

2116
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,320
are completely separate from this. So

2117
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:24,880
that has

2118
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,760
>> I said proposition 19 not 13.

2119
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,400
>> Well but 13 and 19 are very similar

2120
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,120
where they relate to your property taxes

2121
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,600
and this is completely separate than

2122
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,920
that. But um so for instance under a

2123
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,880
qualified real estate transfer

2124
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,960
um uh when people will transfer property

2125
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:52,000
to to significant others for instance

2126
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,639
how like I what I'm confused about is

2127
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:57,040
like how does the transfer tax work on

2128
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,480
those situations?

2129
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,320
>> Well there's still a transfer of title

2130
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,159
right and a and it's the same. Yeah.

2131
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:04,719
>> Got it.

2132
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:06,000
>> Yeah. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to

2133
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,800
confuse Prop 13 all but this is very

2134
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,880
different than property taxes

2135
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,960
>> and Prop 19 deals with the assessed

2136
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:13,360
value

2137
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,560
>> the assessed value

2138
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,880
>> that they can transfer best value

2139
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:17,920
>> from property

2140
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,520
>> right and except for

2141
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,679
>> the transfer taxes still get

2142
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:24,000
>> there and there are exemptions within

2143
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,840
Prop 19 for like if the per if a child's

2144
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,400
living on the property etc so that's

2145
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,199
where I'm

2146
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,159
>> still related to the assessed value

2147
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,400
of Basically, whatever the assessed

2148
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,960
value was when property transferred,

2149
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,080
they can transfer to the new propert.

2150
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,719
>> Got it. Okay. And then that would still

2151
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:46,639
trigger it property.

2152
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:49,120
>> Well, the transfer tax would still be

2153
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,719
assessed at value.

2154
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:51,600
>> Got it. Okay.

2155
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:52,480
>> Of the trans Yeah.

2156
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:53,199
>> The transfer.

2157
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,600
>> Remember, it's a property or it's a real

2158
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,159
property transfer tax. So, if there's a

2159
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,000
transfer and there's a real property and

2160
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,440
there's a sale, a dollar amount,

2161
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:04,560
>> then there's a tax.

2162
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,239
>> Got it. Okay.

2163
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:09,360
>> And but so even if there's not a sale,

2164
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,159
but there's a transfer,

2165
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:13,760
>> right?

2166
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,120
>> But again, yeah, unless there's an

2167
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,719
exemption. Yeah. But you could transfer

2168
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:20,159
it for $5 to your son,

2169
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:22,080
>> right? Got it. Okay. Just curious how

2170
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:23,760
that would work. Okay. Thank you.

2171
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:24,239
>> Yeah.

2172
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,639
>> Thank you. All right. And I think my

2173
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:28,080
colleague have asked the questions I was

2174
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,239
going to ask. So let me open it up to

2175
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,719
public comment. So let's start with Dave

2176
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,800
Cardinal.

2177
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,000
Go ahead Dave.

2178
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:42,639
>> Yeah, sure. Thanks. Um I think this is a total no-brainer honestly and I just

2179
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:46,239
want to put my support in. I don't think

2180
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:49,679
um like messing with the UT is I don't

2181
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:52,320
like Tidly Winks or something. that's

2182
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,840
not

2183
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,080
a reliable source of revenue because we

2184
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,679
don't even know what our utilities look

2185
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:01,280
like in the age of the internet. Um, and

2186
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,520
I don't see another way we can do

2187
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,760
anything. So, I I just want to lend my

2188
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,400
full support to

2189
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,719
uh the idea of an RPP RPT and the

2190
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:18,800
charter city and I would support

2191
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:28,320
whatever rate we need and can afford or can get past. So, thanks. That's my thought.

2192
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:37,110
>> Thank you, Dave. Betsy,

2193
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,480
welcome, Betsy.

2194
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,880
>> Yeah, sorry, I was waiting to be waiting

2195
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,000
to be unmuted. Thank you. Um,

2196
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,400
>> I too I mean the town absolutely needs

2197
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:51,040
to raise um money uh in order to to to

2198
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,920
survive. And so um I'm in favor

2199
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:58,480
generally. I have a specific um point um

2200
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,000
and question about the council

2201
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,149
amendments. That would be 3.12.130

2202
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:09,440
regarding B, which I prefer to A. Um and

2203
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:11,840
I prefer it because the council would

2204
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,840
seemingly be more likely to reduce a tax

2205
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,120
rate that was collecting more money than

2206
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,920
needed. were they less cautious around

2207
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,480
creating a future potential

2208
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,960
insufficiency were they to take that

2209
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,000
action and so I'm in favor of incenting

2210
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,159
a council to reduce rates um where

2211
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:38,400
whenever possible as I read A then I

2212
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,880
guess my question is isn't that

2213
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,360
redundant isn't it one over the other

2214
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,480
and the other question regards C which I

2215
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:48,800
straight out didn't track I couldn't

2216
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,440
follow what it was trying to get at. Um,

2217
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,960
so perhaps that's um because I'm late in

2218
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,800
the night or perhaps it could be stated

2219
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,480
more clearly or you could explain it

2220
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,440
now. Thank you very much.

2221
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,679
>> Thank you, Betsy.

2222
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:06,800
Um, Katherine, do you want to quickly

2223
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,639
respond to those? I mean, that seem

2224
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:09,520
pretty those seem pretty

2225
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:10,320
straightforward.

2226
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,120
>> I I'd be happy to. Um, so, uh, this

2227
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,280
refers to the, uh, section of the

2228
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:16,800
ordinance that expressly allows for

2229
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,280
council amendments so long as the

2230
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,840
amendments do not increase tax rates.

2231
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,960
And there was a question about, um, uh,

2232
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,440
subsection B, well, subsection A, I

2233
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:28,960
would just say, um, allows the council

2234
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,760
to repeal or reduce the tax. Subsection

2235
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,719
B allow says that the council may reduce

2236
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,639
tax rate and later restore the tax rate

2237
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:38,159
to a rate that does not exceed the tax

2238
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:41,120
rate approved by the voters. And um

2239
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:42,400
there is a question about well isn't

2240
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,800
that redundant with a and I I certainly

2241
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,639
see that point and um maybe there would

2242
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:48,159
be a way to make this a little bit

2243
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:50,560
tighter but the idea is that the council

2244
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,520
could increase the tax rate if it is

2245
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,120
simply to restore it. So if it the

2246
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,600
council takes an action to reduce it in

2247
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,480
year one and then in year five uh

2248
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,719
decides oh wait we've actually need the

2249
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:04,639
money now and so we need to increase the

2250
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,400
tax rate. It's basically this is just

2251
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,080
saying that the council can increase the

2252
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,400
tax rate after a previous reduction of

2253
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:11,520
the tax rate.

2254
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,400
>> Right? But a the way I read a is it's

2255
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,080
not quite the same in the sense the

2256
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,199
council could decide because you know

2257
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:21,120
the public has asked for it that it be

2258
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,440
permanently and irrevocably reduced

2259
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,040
>> uh completely repealed.

2260
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,960
>> Well repealed or reduced but we could

2261
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:29,679
reduce it.

2262
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:30,320
>> Yes.

2263
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,239
>> And reduce it in a way that it could not

2264
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,800
be raised back up. Is that possible or

2265
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,280
is it just a we can either revoke it or

2266
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,199
we have this sort of up and down?

2267
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,440
>> Uh so given the right to repeal it, I

2268
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:42,719
believe the council could actually just

2269
01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:44,560
repeal the tax. Yeah.

2270
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:45,199
>> Altogether.

2271
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:46,400
And [clears throat] then not

2272
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:47,520
would not be able to restore it at a

2273
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:48,320
later date,

2274
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:52,960
>> right? Could we reduce it? I mean, let's just say we picked the $10 per

2275
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,040
thousand. Could we reduce it to five and

2276
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,440
say we're doing we're going to five

2277
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:59,679
permanently and the only way to raise it

2278
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:00,960
back up would be to have another

2279
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,719
election. Like if that's what we were

2280
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:03,280
being

2281
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,719
>> you could Yeah, I I see what you're

2282
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,080
saying. But no, you you couldn't do

2283
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:06,800
that. Um

2284
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,960
>> No, it's either repeal or it's the we

2285
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,840
can reduce with the potential. Okay,

2286
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:12,400
thank you.

2287
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:13,520
>> Otherwise, you'd be tie in the hands of

2288
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,040
a future council for what this council

2289
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,040
to say future coun that. So

2290
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,600
>> fair enough.

2291
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:18,719
>> Um and then there's a question about

2292
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:20,800
subsection C which would allow for

2293
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,320
clarifications.

2294
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:23,920
Uh and that's really just to give the

2295
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,480
council some leeway and flexibility to

2296
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:29,520
clarify language that may not be crystal

2297
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:34,480
clear. um with with over o you know um

2298
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,639
overarching restriction though is that

2299
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:38,159
the council cannot increase the tax

2300
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:40,639
rate.

2301
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:42,880
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Is there any

2302
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:47,030
other public comments?

2303
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,199
Wait just a minute. All right. So I

2304
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:51,520
don't see any hands online. So I will

2305
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:52,719
bring it back to the council for

2306
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:58,390
discussion. Who would like to start?

2307
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,679
Judith. [laughter]

2308
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,040
This is your night to start first. Thank

2309
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,080
you.

2310
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,040
>> Go in. Go in first. Um, I like the idea

2311
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,280
of keeping this simple, being in the

2312
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,000
range of what other jurisdictions

2313
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,199
are as long as they're

2314
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:15,199
reasonably applicable to us. And I don't

2315
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,679
view it what I've read here is something

2316
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:22,480
that requires tailoring to us. Um, I

2317
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,679
think it's important for us to have

2318
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:28,400
flexibility. So the council amendment

2319
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,960
section to me

2320
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,320
uh you have to read them in the

2321
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,639
alternative or

2322
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:36,719
being applied sequentially or whatever

2323
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:40,800
other than the repeal. Um so I I find

2324
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,119
and I read these for a living. So you

2325
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:45,600
know I I found it pretty clear. So, I'm

2326
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,600
not sure I would find the need to

2327
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,800
clarify it unless somebody were looking

2328
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,840
at like could say in this particular

2329
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,480
instance something bad could happen.

2330
01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:00,000
Like I I think these are all uh tools we

2331
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,520
might want. And I just my interpretation

2332
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,520
of C is that, you know, if there's a

2333
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,000
certain type of

2334
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,560
ownership structure that isn't clearly

2335
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,239
within the ordinance as it exists today,

2336
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:18,000
we could go, oh yeah, something new

2337
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,199
happened, so let's extend these

2338
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:22,960
principles and here's how that would be

2339
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,280
treated. like it's kind of like we don't

2340
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,800
know what it's about, but as long as

2341
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,679
it's not increasing the tax, we could do

2342
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:32,320
that without a a new vote with the

2343
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,320
public, which is a big hurdle and a big

2344
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,159
expense for us. So, to me, all all that

2345
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,520
makes sense and I like the targeted

2346
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:45,920
edits that you've made. Uh so for me

2347
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,080
I I'm in uh this has been very helpful

2348
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,600
to have the preview of it this week. Um

2349
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,560
so that we can all go away think about

2350
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,239
any other questions for the next time

2351
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,560
around. But uh thank you for preparing

2352
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,960
this and providing the examples and

2353
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,440
going and doing the research on the 12

2354
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,600
jurisdictions. So that's it.

2355
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,920
>> Thank you. You'd like to go next? Mary,

2356
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,600
you ready?

2357
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,360
Oh,

2358
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,679
>> I'd say I have to say as real estate

2359
01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:16,239
documents go, this is very clear and

2360
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:18,239
it's very understandable [clears throat]

2361
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:22,800
and simple. Uh, and uh, and I'm I'm

2362
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,639
fully in support.

2363
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:27,040
>> Okay. Thank you, Rebecca.

2364
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,960
>> Um, I agree that keeping it simple right

2365
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,280
now makes the most sense. Um, I'd like

2366
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,560
the amendment where um you're able to

2367
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,080
reduce the tax. If we find that somehow

2368
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,960
we we're huge numbers of sales of very

2369
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,679
expensive homes happened and we we're

2370
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:50,000
raising much more than we we kind of

2371
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,719
need to operate safely, though probably

2372
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:54,239
initially we'll we'll need to put some

2373
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,000
of that money into reserves and into the

2374
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,639
storm drains. Um, but it gives us a lot

2375
01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:01,119
of flexibility for future. And I also

2376
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:03,440
appreciate the addition of being able to

2377
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:05,040
kind of tailor the ordinance, whether

2378
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,639
it's for exemptions or whether it's for

2379
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:09,199
the implementation if we do discover

2380
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:10,880
that, you know, there's some sort of

2381
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,639
issue with how how it's working out. Um

2382
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:16,719
sort of unintended consequences that we

2383
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:21,679
haven't predicted. So I I think it's well done and I appreciate the all

2384
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:24,639
the effort that's gone into crafting it.

2385
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:25,440
Thanks.

2386
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:28,800
>> Thank you, Ellen. Yeah, just echoing

2387
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,760
what my uh colleagues have said. Um I

2388
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,920
appreciate this. It's a strong flexible

2389
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,639
document that gives you know that gives

2390
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:41,119
on-ramps and offramps later which I

2391
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:44,880
appreciate. So um I support this draft.

2392
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,159
Thank you.

2393
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,719
>> Thank you. And I would echo the same

2394
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:53,040
thing. Um, keeping it simple I think is that was the direction we gave you

2395
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,639
and I think you've done an excellent job

2396
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:58,239
of of following our direction. I like it

2397
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,800
because I think if there are unintended

2398
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,560
consequences, we have the ability to

2399
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,679
either adjust the tax or we could also

2400
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,679
adjust UT. I mean there there are

2401
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:10,239
multiple ways that we can adjust this if

2402
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:12,800
the town ends up raising more money than

2403
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,199
we need, which at the moment is is sort

2404
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,199
of hard to imagine, but I I can believe

2405
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:18,560
it. you know, I mean, we could get there

2406
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,880
and and I appreciate that people are

2407
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,239
sensitive to that and I'm sensitive to

2408
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,480
it as well. So, I like the fact that

2409
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:26,880
we've got some knobs that we can turn to

2410
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,719
adjust that so we're not overcolcted

2411
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:29,760
because that's definitely something

2412
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,199
that's important to me that we don't end

2413
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,840
up creating a mechanism that just

2414
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,760
collects taxes [snorts] that we don't

2415
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,280
know what to do with. Like that's that's

2416
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,280
not good public policy. So, so I think

2417
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,119
that's great. I would also say the same

2418
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,520
thing about the exemptions. I like that

2419
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,360
it's simple. I would not make any

2420
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:49,199
additional exemptions and I think we can operate and you know after six

2421
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:51,040
months or a year if we find that wait a

2422
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,199
minute I mean this really does seem

2423
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:55,360
ownorous then we can bring it back to

2424
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,360
the council and pretty quickly we can

2425
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,679
add the exemptions as appropriate but I

2426
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:02,400
think I'd rather see those exemptions as

2427
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,080
something that's needed rather than try

2428
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,159
to second guessess and and add more

2429
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:09,360
complexities to document. So I I very

2430
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,760
much appreciate that. Um and I I think

2431
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,760
this is definitely the you know the

2432
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,560
right direction for us to be going. So

2433
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,119
thank you. Thank you for all the work um

2434
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:20,639
both in finance department, legal

2435
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:22,719
department in the administration. Um

2436
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,440
this this has been great. All right. So

2437
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:27,199
with that I'm going to close this agenda

2438
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,199
item

2439
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:33,520
and try to find my

2440
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,430
agenda.

2441
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,960
All right. So, moving on to

2442
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,920
agenda item number eight, which is

2443
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,239
subcommittee liaison and regional agency

2444
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:50,000
reports. Um, there's one ASC liaison in

2445
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,400
the packet. Thank you, Mary. Um, are

2446
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:56,080
there any other oral um reports?

2447
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,080
>> I I just wanted to say that I have

2448
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:59,920
signed up for the League of California

2449
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:03,679
Cities annual conference in September.

2450
01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:07,520
>> Okay. and they actually have um

2451
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:08,639
uh you know they have the general

2452
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,080
assembly so that you can actually

2453
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,800
present a motion that you would like to

2454
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:14,320
have covered. So if there's anything

2455
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,199
that the town council would like to have

2456
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:19,040
presented, we do have to get I think

2457
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,440
several other municipalities to join in

2458
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:23,679
with us. But if there's some pressing

2459
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,840
need that you feel that the the League

2460
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:26,960
of California Cities should be

2461
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,520
addressing, then please think about it.

2462
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,320
I think the deadline is coming is coming

2463
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,639
up in the next month maybe.

2464
01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:36,880
>> So just give it some thought if there's

2465
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:41,040
some burning issue that we need to do to

2466
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,480
encourage Sacramento to kind of be a

2467
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:46,719
little more reasonable, if you will.

2468
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:47,760
Anyway,

2469
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,840
>> okay. Thank you. All right. Any any

2470
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,080
other oral reports? Helen,

2471
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,560
>> so I have a um I wanted to talk about

2472
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,360
ebikes for a second. Obviously, I poked

2473
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:01,600
a bear this week. um kind of on purpose,

2474
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,600
but to try to let people know what's

2475
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,480
going on with the ebike situation. Um I

2476
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,239
did want to do one correction because

2477
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:10,639
I'd been telling people that uh we will

2478
01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:14,239
have some laws probably in January, but

2479
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:17,840
um the education and the manufacturing

2480
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,639
situation, um those will not go into

2481
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:22,800
effect if they pass, which I'm assuming

2482
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:28,800
they will pass until 28 and 29. Um so um

2483
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,719
letting you know the manufacturing you

2484
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:33,360
know you need to let manufacturers

2485
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,760
uh

2486
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,199
put you know figure out how to put

2487
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:42,239
headlamps on and and to put on um

2488
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,560
speedometers and the other things that

2489
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,280
are in the bill so that they're um and

2490
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,920
the second one uh for um the education

2491
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,080
to create curriculum and get that into

2492
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,239
schools you know kind of idea that's

2493
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:58,159
going to take some time. So, I wanted to

2494
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:00,480
correct that for the record. Um the

2495
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:02,080
other

2496
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:06,239
uh so that's ebikes. Um I still think

2497
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:08,480
you know we're we are still all going to

2498
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,400
need to work on ebikes with the parents.

2499
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,040
So I'm that I don't see this changing to

2500
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,800
be honest. But um the other one I wanted

2501
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,360
to report about is I'm not sure that you

2502
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,600
guys and I'm on the I'm the leazison to

2503
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,080
the utility committee. Um, so this is a

2504
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,239
utility committee that hasn't been

2505
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:30,239
meeting um for uh I wanted everyone to

2506
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:32,560
know that AT&T

2507
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:37,280
uh went to the FCC because the CPU had

2508
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,520
said that they cannot end their

2509
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,040
landlines.

2510
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,920
Um but the FCC 3 days ago came out and

2511
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:48,239
said that AT&T can no you know can end

2512
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:49,760
landlines.

2513
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,760
Um, so that will, uh, so there's still a

2514
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,520
lawsuit and other things, but I wanted

2515
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,199
to make sure that you all were aware of

2516
01:45:57,199 --> 01:45:59,920
that. Um,

2517
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,639
uh, and then lastly, I had a question

2518
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:08,639
about the ASC 501 wayside. Um, uh,

2519
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:13,280
motion for continuence. Um, this 501

2520
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,639
wayside continuence, isn't it under the

2521
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:19,520
housing accountability act? They only

2522
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,600
get five bites of the apple.

2523
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:24,639
>> Just curious.

2524
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:27,520
>> I I'm not actually super familiar with

2525
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:33,590
this application, so I would

2526
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,440
» under the Housing Accountability Act,

2527
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:37,199
you usually only get five bites of the

2528
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:39,920
apple of a public meeting,

2529
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,320
>> right? Um, yeah, I probably don't want

2530
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,000
to get too into I'm not sure this is

2531
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,560
agendaized, but the there there is and

2532
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,080
this came up with the Stanford project

2533
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,960
actually. Um, under SP 330, there is a

2534
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:55,119
five hearing rule. Um, and so, you know,

2535
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:56,560
that that is something to be mindful of

2536
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,320
in terms of housing development

2537
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,400
projects. This doesn't apply to other

2538
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:01,840
types of approvals, but for housing

2539
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,440
development projects specific, there is

2540
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:04,800
a five hearing,

2541
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:07,199
>> right? Well, I was gonna say, can can

2542
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,040
you guys work with our attorney on this

2543
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:10,800
because this isn't agendaized, but but

2544
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:11,920
why don't you have this conversation

2545
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:12,880
with our attorney?

2546
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,159
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. So, the two of you can meet with the

2547
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,600
>> Well, it is on.

2548
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,280
>> Okay. Well, this was on the leazison

2549
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,280
memo and I wanted to check in about the

2550
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:27,760
five bites of the apple. Okay. So, so

2551
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,000
those are my questions. Thank you.

2552
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,990
>> Thank you.

2553
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,080
» Okay. So, now I'd like to open it up for

2554
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:41,109
public comment. Rita, your hands up.

2555
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:41,600
» Yeah,

2556
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,960
>> welcome. Um, I just wanted to comment uh

2557
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,960
on the just on the ebikes. You know,

2558
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,040
maybe this isn't the right time, but I I

2559
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,600
really hope that our town along with the

2560
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:55,280
parents and the school system can uh can

2561
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,440
really do some education because uh

2562
01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,920
everyone wants to talk about the kids,

2563
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,239
but these kids are not purchasing these

2564
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,239
bikes themselves and they're not paying

2565
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,719
for the electric bill. So, I I really

2566
01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:09,119
hope that um with our committees or with

2567
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,440
the council that we can do something. So

2568
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:14,320
thanks for bringing it up Helen.

2569
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,480
>> Thank you Rita. Is there any other

2570
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:20,639
public comment on the reports?

2571
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,840
All right seeing none I will bring it

2572
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,760
back. Is there any further discussion

2573
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,639
from the council? Okay. So with that we

2574
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,639
move to number nine. I would accept a

2575
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:32,719
motion for adjournment.

2576
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:34,320
So moved

2577
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,400
>> and a second. Gosh.

2578
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,520
>> All right. All in favor? I I. Excellent.

2579
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,400
Thank you everyone.