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7:00 p.m. allow us to call the meeting

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of the town of Chevy Chase Town Council

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to order.

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Please rise for the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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We have a fairly straightforward program

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for everyone this evening. As usual, we

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will begin with general business. That

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includes a financial report, the town

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manager's report, and public comments.

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And may I remind everyone that those

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public comments should not regard either

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of the public hearings that we're

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holding today that follow the public

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comments. And those hearings are about a

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variance request from the residents of

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7011 Hillcrest Place, as well as an

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ordinance to amend the ADU regulations

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in the town.

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And finally, we will conclude the

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evening with council discussions and

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actions regarding a grant request from

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Rosemary Hills Elementary School, as

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well as

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a discussion of an ordinance to amend

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front yard hedge regulations. So, let's

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begin. I'd like to turn it over to the

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treasurer for our June financial report.

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>> Thank you very much.

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So, [clears throat] June is the end of

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the fiscal year. So,

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we finished the year in very good shape.

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we received 110%

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of the budgeted revenue for the fiscal

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year. So, that's

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5.5 [clears throat] million.

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We had budgeted 5 million, so we

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overachieved there.

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On the operating side, we spent 96% of

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our budgeted operating expenditures.

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So, that's 3.8 out of about $4 million.

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um

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it underspent, which is a good thing.

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And then on the capital side,

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>> [clears throat]

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>> we spent 78% of what we had budgeted for

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the year.

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So, that's expenditures of 665,000

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against a budget of about 853,000.

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So, as we had been reporting for many

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months now, we completed the fiscal year

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comfortably within our budget.

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A lot of details are available in the

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packets that were sent around, but glad

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to address questions if there are any.

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I want

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Um I'm curious either

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Carlo or Todd answer, how come we

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underspent on our capital expenditures?

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It looks like we did on street and

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roads.

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What happened there to cause us to spend

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less than we anticipated?

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>> We actually This doesn't represent a

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This This is just a snapshot. We we

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still have a lots of invoices coming in

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specifically for capital improvements.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um so, this doesn't by any means

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represent final. That won't be obviously

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until the audit's performed. There are a

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lot of expenses that will need to be

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accrued that we're getting invoices for

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and after after July 1st that will be

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accrued to the prior fiscal year. We

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have some outstanding invoices for

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capital work, street and road repair,

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concrete and and asphalt. Um so, this is

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a snapshot of where we were as of the

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end of June, but it doesn't account for

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invoices that we're receiving for

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expenses incurred in FY '26 that will

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need to be accrued back to that fiscal

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year.

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>> So, do you think at the end we'll

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probably be closer to our budget number?

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>> Yeah, we just got invoices today for the

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work we did on 27 and some springtime.

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>> Okay.

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>> All right.

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8,000 plus year.

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>> So, that brings Okay. But, we'll still

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have a very healthy surplus for the year

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then even if we do spend as we debate.

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I'm always a little concerned if we

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grossly underspend our capital budget

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cuz [clears throat] you guys are careful

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in estimating what needs to be done.

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And I'm concerned whether something that

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should have been done wasn't done. So,

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>> I brought it to your [laughter]

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attention cuz they bill us on time and

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for the uh

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>> You mean you call them up and say,

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"Please, pretty please, will you bill us

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as fast as possible?"

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>> We have until the end of August. Yeah,

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you you usually the end of August is

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this is the uh

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cut off for accruing expenses to the

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prior fiscal. So, we have a long way to

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go to make sure that all appropriate

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expenses are accrued to the prior fiscal

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year.

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>> Okay. Thank you. That was my question.

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» But, that concludes uh

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the financial report. Let's move over to

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the town manager's report. Todd?

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>> Thanks, Joy. I'll report on some uh

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highlights, some initiatives undertaken

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by town staff over the last month. Um

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The I'll try to be brief and uh I'll let

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you ask questions if you want more

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information on any of these. The staff

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communicated with Purple Line and

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Transportation officials

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about the shielding of of several lights

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on the Capital Crescent Trail adjacent

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to the town. Specifically, two lights uh

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that are on the ramp from Elm Street

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Park up to the bridge that crosses the

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Um [clears throat] these are not

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currently shielded. They're not They are

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currently energized, but not

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illuminated. And we feel they're going

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to be disruptive to the adjacent uh

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residents. Um we've been dealing with

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this matter for quite some time.

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We heard recently and dispositively

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from MTA

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uh that shielding will need to be done

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in conjunction with the the

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once the county takes ownership of the

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Capital Crescent Trail.

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the county in turn

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uh has said that they want to wait until

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the lights are illuminated um to

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determine how disruptive they may be,

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what the impact may be, and what what

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solutions there may might be effective

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um once they take ownership of the

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simultaneous to the trail opening, but

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that is still not certain. And there's

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follow about submitting a permit to be

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reviewed. And understanding that might

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that process might take a long time,

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we've reached out to our contacts at the

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Department of Transportation

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asking for their cooperation in in

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determining a solution now uh that can

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be implemented immediately after the

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county takes ownership and the lights

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are illuminated. Uh and our county

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contacts said that they would review the

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matter and the plans and specifications

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and get back to us about the process and

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options. And so we are waiting to hear

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from them as to whether they're willing

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to work with us now to find some viable

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solutions that can be implemented

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immediately after they take ownership

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and the lights are illuminated.

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Uh the staff also continued planning for

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our automated speed camera program.

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Automated speed enforcement program.

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Uh we're continuing to look into options

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and alternatives for uh

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the town's access to this national

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database of driver and vehicle records

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so that citations can be issued to the

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owner of record uh for a violation of

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our speed camera that's to be uh

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installed on Bradley Lane.

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We're also looking into the review

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process on our end and who that must be

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done by and how that process will work.

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Um and I will give you updates as that

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proceeds through the summer as we

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develop those plans and find out what

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logistics and protocols we need to

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follow.

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Staff also met with Corso officials to

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discuss and coordinate uh mobilization

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efforts, tree removal, and construction

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activities on the site.

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The construction management firm is um

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now moving forward going to provide

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weekly updates um on their website and

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directly to the town in the format that

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I provided to the council this week. Um

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we have we're distributing those

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notifications to neighboring residents

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uh or residents adjacent to the Corso

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site and we're also posting them on our

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Staff, Dave in particular, oversaw the

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completion of the CCST, the Capital

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done for all intents and purposes except

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a few minor details that need to be

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included the phase two work also

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included some of the additional

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improvements Dave wanted to make to

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sidewalks and concrete over there. So,

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uh we're happy that we were able to

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coordinate with the county to make that

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happen while they were doing these

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improvements.

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that phase three will begin this summer

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and phase three consists of constructing

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the connection from the improvements

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they've done on 47th Street uh and Elm

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Street Park to the actual Capital

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Crescent Trail um under um

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at the at the mouth of the park.

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improvements that are going to take

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place, which include multi-generational

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um retaining walls, berms, um and those

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plans were reviewed and uh by by

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residents and the community and the town

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council uh number of years ago.

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Uh the staff communicated with the State

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Highway Administration about the

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maintenance of the medians on

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Connecticut Avenue, which are looking a

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bit messy.

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the status of Bradley Lane striping or

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restriping to effectively shift the

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lanes farther away from the sidewalk and

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to the south.

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We were told that work would be done in

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June, uh which it wasn't.

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was a bit arcane,

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um but he said that he's trying to work

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with the department doing the work to

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stripe or restripe without having to

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eradicate any lines at this time.

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soon as he's able.

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I don't know how they can restripe and

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effectively shift the lanes away from

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the sidewalk with without restriping

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or without at least re- eradicating the

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existing lines. So, I'm going to need

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more information and get more info from

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him [clears throat] about what their

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plans are, and he said he would provide

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me details when he has them.

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Um the town awarded uh we rebid our tree

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maintenance and

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landscape services contracts this past

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spring, and we've just awarded those uh

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those contracts to uh the most

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responsible and responsive bidders,

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which happen to be the ones we currently

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have.

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We've also increased stop sign

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enforcement throughout the town

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um based on resident uh complaints and

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comments.

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We've completed our inventory of street

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signs for our town-wide replacement

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project, and that might

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bear pausing here for a second. We Dave

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sent out an email to the council this

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week asking for your feedback on the

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design of these signs. At a previous

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meeting, I think it was two meetings

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ago, we had indicated um that we wanted

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to use the new signs at Easton Leland

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that were fabricated there to as a

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template as the model for all the street

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signs for this this town wide street

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replacement project. Uh, but they then

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sent out an email to the council this

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week asking for concurrence on the

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design whether it should include the

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logo, uh, all caps,

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sans serif fonts,

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um, borders and colors and things like

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that. Um, I think the majority if I'm

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not mistaken Dave and you can correct me

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came back and said

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they liked the

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lettering and the fonts and everything.

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I think the issue and they I believe the

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majority also wanted the logo, um,

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put on the new street signs.

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And

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one of the reasons why we're using the

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font we're using the sans serif font is

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because it is the standard, um, of the

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manual on uniform traffic control

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devices.

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Uh, that's the national bible if you

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will for, uh, street signs and

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everything related to traffic control.

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So we're using what the standard bearer

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is there as a sans serif font. It's more

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legible, it's easier to read. It's, um,

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and we're using all caps which we

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currently have except on the serif font.

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Um, we're using the border, um, and the

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only issue I wanted to raise with the

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council is the logo.

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Um,

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our recommendation is not to include the

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logo even though a majority of you have

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indicated that you'd like to use it and

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my my reasons are, uh,

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mult I have multiple reasons for, uh,

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first of all I if the logo is currently

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allowed illegible. You can't read it.

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You don't know what it is or what it

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says. The font is about as big as a

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refrigerator magnet and the font I think

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there's a 12 point font and a 10 point

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font. No driver is ever going to be able

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to see what that is or recognize what it

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is when they're driving 20 miles per

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hour throughout town. It's also a bit

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distracting to the primary purpose of

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street signs, which is for navigation.

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We [clears throat] don't really have a

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branding need in the town other than for

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goodwill purposes. We don't have an

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economic development component. But I

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think I go back to the fact that

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even if you can't read it, I wouldn't

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make it any bigger because I still think

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that logo is a bit distracting to the

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primary purpose of of the signs, which

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is for navigation.

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And so our recommendation was to go with

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the exact sign that's located at this

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intersection of East and Leland, but

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it's completely up to the council to

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make that decision. And so I'll leave it

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at that unless you want to have a larger a longer conversation about

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that and to see in which direction we'd

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like to go.

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The town continued our overgrown

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vegetation management program. We are

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definitely seeing progress and

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compliance

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based on the letters we sent out the

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original batch of letters we sent out.

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We are addressing one issue in

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particular, but all the rest have have complied, which we're happy to see.

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Another very small batch of letters

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recently went out

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about some minor encroachments,

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primarily overhead encroachments, and so

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that program is actually going very

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well.

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The town submitted our closeout report

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for our ARPA grant, so that's done.

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And we've completed our application for

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the balance of program open space funds

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for for open space improvements, and

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we're hoping to use those for the

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improvements we're currently making to

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the Thornapple Path.

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Speaking of which, we've completed

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hardscape modifications to the path

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to address ADA accessibility issues, and

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we've ordered a new ADA compliant gate.

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The existing gate's there to prevent

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bicycles and skateboards and things from

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uh blowing through there for the time

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being, but that gate should be installed

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hopefully in the next month or so.

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Uh we've continued to research

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relocation of Bradley Lane fire

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hydrants, and we've authorized a

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topographic survey to be completed on

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that to identify the locations of all

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the existing improvements and the

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boundaries of properties.

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We procured a sprinkler system for

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Zimmerman Park. We haven't had to use it

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yet because we've had pretty good rain,

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and the turf looks pretty good, but we

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have that ready to deploy as needed. We

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also procured a new sound system for

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town events, which I understand went uh

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was was

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uh um

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well received at the July 4th event. And

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we provided project support to town

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committees.

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There's one other issue I want to raise

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with you tonight that's sort of last

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minute. It's an issue that Chevy Chase

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Village has has approached us about. Uh

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they are looking uh apparently a number

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of their residents have

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um [clears throat] have commented on how

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successful and our our entry restriction

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signs are how effective our entry

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restriction signs are along Connecticut

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Avenue um along all the intersecting

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streets of Connecticut Avenue. All of

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them have a do not enter 7:00 to 9:00

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a.m. restriction on them.

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And [snorts]

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many [clears throat] residents comment

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uh in the village commented on how well

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ours worked, and they wanted the village

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to consider the same entry restrictions

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there.

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Um

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and the data that we collected in our

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2020 study that was collected in 2019

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pre-pandemic did suggest that they

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worked pretty well. Um things have

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changed obviously since that time, and

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the village wanted to know if we would

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be interested in a small cost sharing

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arrangement since this study would

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benefit not only them but us in so far

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as we could determine where we would

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want to uh deploy police or focus police

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attention on those streets where um

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violations of the entry restriction were

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worse or are were

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greater than others.

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Um

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I told Shayna that I would address this

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with the council tonight. They're

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looking at likely

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undertaking the study

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as soon as school

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re- begins and they, you know, want to

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move forward with awarding a contract to

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get the contractor prepared to start

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work as soon as as soon as school

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reconvenes.

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I do think it would be beneficial for

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the town. The cost of the study is

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$12,500.

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Um so if we split it 50/50, it would be

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60-6250

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max the town would contribute but there

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could be any cost split that we we'd

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like to entertain.

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But I do think it would be beneficial

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for the town in so far as we could

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target enforcement. It wouldn't be for

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the purposes of making spot changes to

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our traffic control

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and entry restriction

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signs because that's not what we want to

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do any longer is to make spot

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improvements. We want to do it

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holistically.

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» [snorts]

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>> But it would be primary primarily for

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the purpose of

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targeted enforcement of those areas

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where the violations are the worst.

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And I think it would be helpful. It

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would also be a very helpful to have

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additional data.

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You know, there are some claims often

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that we don't have enough data and so

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having that data

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updated from 2019 would be very helpful

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to refer to when a new study or any new

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studies are done. And so I would

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recommend that we the council approve a

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50/50 split of that amount up to a up to

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a maximum of 6250. And if you'd like to

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do that tonight, you can entertain a

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motion to do so as a supplemental

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appropriation.

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Um but that concludes the staff report.

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» Thank you, Todd. Um I'd like to get some

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input from my colleagues on that last

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proposal regarding the conduction of a

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traffic study.

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Rich, do you have anything to say about

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that, Mr. Transportation?

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>> No, I I actually support it. I think it's for

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the

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6,000 little and change,

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we get data to show how effective those

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turning those uh

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do not turn signs are. Um

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And and and we have received complaints

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that it's not working. So, I I I I think

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just having data would be useful for us.

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Um

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and as Todd said that

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anything else in the future, we could

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always use that that could be a part of

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something that's already been done and

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we wouldn't have to pay for it again.

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So, uh

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I think that, you know, for $6,000, I

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think

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compared to what we paid for the last

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traffic study is it's a it's quite a

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deal. So,

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I would [clears throat] I would endorse

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we go ahead and

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do, you know, let the

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village go ahead and do the data

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collection.

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» Anyone else?

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>> No, I think it makes sense.

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>> Sure.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Okay.

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Tamar?

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>> Is Rich offering a motion?

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>> Uh well, we didn't hear from Tamar.

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>> I I support it, too, but I do wonder

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what is the nature of the data

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collection? Does it compare to what was

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done before? I mean, what would explain

558
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,040
the difference in cost?

559
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320
>> Uh we we did a town Am I on mute? No,

560
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,200
I'm not. We did a town-wide study

561
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,960
before, Tamar. It was it was all about

562
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,280
cut-through traffic and and and and

563
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,680
traffic calming, but it was uh it was

564
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,000
town-wide. Uh it wasn't just about the

565
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,480
entry restrictions off Connecticut

566
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,360
Avenue.

567
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:53,800
And [snorts] um on second thought, we

568
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,360
don't need a supplemental appropriation.

569
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,320
This ma- nominal amount of money can be

570
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,880
taken up our out of our consultants and

571
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,440
engineers accounts under streets and

572
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,640
roads. So, there's no need for a

573
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,960
supplemental.

574
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,160
>> So, we don't need a motion, either?

575
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,800
>> You don't. If you could just approve the

576
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,714
work of uh uh um

577
00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:10,760
>> [clears throat]

578
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,960
>> But I do think we all agree that this is

579
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,200
worth doing.

580
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,960
Thank you, Todd. We will accept your

581
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,160
recommendation. So, please proceed with

582
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,640
the cost-sharing arrangement with the

583
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,920
village uh to conduct a traffic study

584
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,760
along Connecticut Avenue.

585
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,560
>> Will do. Thanks.

586
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,920
Do you Would you like to discuss the

587
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080
town street signs? I think probably

588
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,760
Dave, would you Can you inform the

589
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,520
council as to when that project will be

590
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,040
underway and when we need a decision

591
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:41,590
about the design of these signs?

592
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,680
» Yeah, I mean, uh there isn't really a

593
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,720
timetable for it. Um I was hoping to get

594
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,040
it started probably in the fall um and

595
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,680
finish it in the spring.

596
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,840
Um but we can certainly do all the prep

597
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,360
work and then it's just a matter of

598
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,760
ordering the signs and having them

599
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,400
installed. So,

600
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,800
um I'd like to keep it moving just cuz

601
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,120
I've got a little momentum on it, but

602
00:21:59,120 --> 00:21:59,840
there's no

603
00:21:59,840 --> 00:21:59,960
>> [clears throat]

604
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,280
>> deadline.

605
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,720
>> Maybe we can have some email back and

606
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,440
forth to resolve this question of the

607
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,000
logo.

608
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,840
>> Yeah, why don't we do that? Um and then

609
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,200
we can move on with this. But yeah, our goal then is to have this ready for

610
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,400
you, Dave, so that by the fall you can

611
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,000
move ahead.

612
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,240
>> Yep. Sounds great.

613
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,190
>> Okay.

614
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,560
Oh. Please, go ahead.

615
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,920
>> Todd, thank you for the report. And

616
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,440
couple questions, the um

617
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,240
trail-related. So, the phase two work

618
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,800
that is almost done,

619
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,320
when will that be put in service? Do you

620
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,320
have a a date for when that

621
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,160
is going to be available for public use?

622
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,640
>> The

623
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,840
uh yes, I the the plan now is to put it

624
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720
in service this fall.

625
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720
Whether the county takes ownership of it

626
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,640
simultaneously is uh

627
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,440
not an answer I have.

628
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,720
Um but it is to be put in service, a

629
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,880
portion of it is to be put in service

630
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,160
this fall.

631
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,600
Specifically, the portion between Elm

632
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,720
Street Park and

633
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Barney, do you recall where it ends,

634
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,480
that portion where it will stop?

635
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,960
>> I don't. I don't. But I want to make

636
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,520
sure you're addressing

637
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,680
>> No, that was going to be my second

638
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,240
question.

639
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,960
>> I think he was asking specifically about

640
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,240
that little stretch on 47th Street

641
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,120
because there's still a a fence around

642
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:20,680
>> site.

643
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,080
>> Yeah.

644
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,520
>> Oh, I see what you mean. I still think

645
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,040
it's this

646
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,640
>> has been done. It all looks fine, but

647
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960
you can't access the trail there.

648
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,240
>> I I believe it's still Yeah, this fall.

649
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,960
It will that that entire stretch along

650
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,920
47th and the connection they're building

651
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
this summer likely will all open in

652
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,480
order to connect to the CCT and the ramp

653
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,400
and the bridge this fall.

654
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,560
>> But the section between Willow and

655
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,200
Elm.

656
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,400
>> Yeah.

657
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,680
>> That work is done.

658
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,480
>> Why not take out

659
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,840
>> Why why are they leaving the fences

660
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,920
there so you can't use it? I just

661
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,720
>> Dave may know. Dave's overseeing the

662
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,800
work. Dave, do you know why the fences

663
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,080
are still there or what they're

664
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,200
continuing to do? Do you know? We can

665
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,960
ask, certainly, but

666
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,960
>> I I assume the parks department wanted

667
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040
to wait till the grass got was growing,

668
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000
but it's still in that. So I I have the

669
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
same question Carl has. Why not take up

670
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,720
the fence and allow people to,

671
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,120
you know, it's it's unsightly for one

672
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,160
thing, but it's also inconvenient.

673
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,600
>> Right.

674
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,160
>> I think they did the road striping. Um

675
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
they probably want to get all of those

676
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,760
in before they actually open it up to

677
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,680
make sure the crosswalks are safe.

678
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,080
Um which should be done probably the

679
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280
beginning of next week. Uh but I'll find

680
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,600
>> Find out and I'll check on it.

681
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,160
>> out

682
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,360
all the details and

683
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,120
>> Okay.

684
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,840
Yeah, and then to the um question

685
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,560
that you were answering just that so I

686
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,520
can be clear.

687
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,800
Uh what I recall Let me

688
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,680
give some context. What I recall from

689
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,480
the

690
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,840
uh county announcement about the phase

691
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240
three is the work, as you said, would

692
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,960
start this summer, but I think it was

693
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,320
scheduled to be finished next summer.

694
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,040
So that's when the connection to the

695
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,840
bridge would be complete.

696
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,200
And then I was wondering whether they

697
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,880
would open

698
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,560
the trail on the other side of the

699
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,880
bridge

700
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,640
ahead of the bridge being having a place

701
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,240
to land.

702
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,000
That's

703
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,840
if I'm being clear. I'm not sure that I

704
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,670
am.

705
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,600
» Uh

706
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,480
DBC, I'm opening the season I'm opening

707
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,440
a CCST phase reconstruction notice right

708
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,680
now.

709
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,280
And it says it's

710
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,840
the project will connect the existing

711
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,480
bike lane network in the intersection of

712
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,360
Bethesda Avenue and Wisconsin Avenue to

713
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,360
the northbound portion of the CCST,

714
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,680
which is part of the proposed Purple

715
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840
Line project.

716
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120
Phase three includes the project includes construction of

717
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,960
phase three A, a surface trail

718
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,320
connection at Elm Street Park to the

719
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,080
future Capital Crescent surface trail

720
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,560
near near the Air Rights building. In

721
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,840
phase three B, the construction of the

722
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,360
recreational improvements to Elm Street

723
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,520
Park.

724
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,560
Uh this includes but is not limited to a

725
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,920
playground, fitness equipment, and

726
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,120
playground resurfacing.

727
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,470
Um

728
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,520
My Sorry, this is only work.

729
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,870
Construction to begin summer 2026.

730
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240
It doesn't give a time frame for

731
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,440
completion

732
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,280
on this notice.

733
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Um

734
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760
but I'm not sure Can you rephrase the

735
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,720
question or re

736
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,440
>> Yeah, so I I

737
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,160
My recollection is the announcement I

738
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,800
received in the mail

739
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,360
>> Right.

740
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,440
>> said that that work would start this

741
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,240
summer and finish next summer.

742
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920
And as I understand it physically, until

743
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,160
that work is finished,

744
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,600
you can't get across You can't use the

745
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,120
bridge.

746
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,120
So, I'm wondering if if the trail is

747
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,120
going to be open

748
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,120
on the north side of the bridge ahead of

749
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,000
it

750
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
being able to connect to the bridge in

751
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,560
the phase three work that we're

752
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,880
discussing.

753
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,960
>> I don't know the answer to your

754
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,150
question, but I can find out.

755
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,720
» Follow up. Let me ask a follow-up

756
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,960
question to that.

757
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,440
I had not seen that notice you just

758
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,880
referred to, Carlos, so thank you for

759
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,680
mentioning it. Um, what separates 3A

760
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,680
from 3B?

761
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,240
Um,

762
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840
I would be really surprised if 3A,

763
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,600
meaning just that

764
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,600
100-yard connection

765
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280
from the corner of Willow and Elm to the

766
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,680
portal

767
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,640
would take 12 months to do.

768
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960
That would really be pretty surprising.

769
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,520
It's not impossible this county could

770
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
take that long, but I'd be surprised.

771
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240
And if that were to be the case,

772
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,920
then that

773
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
completely blows away

774
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
all of our efforts to try to get that

775
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,680
bridge open this fall

776
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,360
uh, because that's what we wanted for

777
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,960
the kid our kids to be able to walk to

778
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,480
BCC

779
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,720
more on a more more on a more direct

780
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,680
path and without without going out to

781
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Wisconsin. Um, so I think trying to get

782
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,040
clarity on whether that 12-month

783
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,120
period is for

784
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,800
just 3A, or does that really also

785
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080
include 3B, meaning the development and

786
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320
the construction of the three different

787
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,640
recreation areas, uh, playground areas.

788
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,640
I 12 months for all of that is plausible

789
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680
to me, but I would like to think that

790
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,190
they could do 3A

791
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,600
within a couple of months. I mean, it

792
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800
didn't take them very long, well, longer

793
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,960
than it should have, but they're still

794
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,720
within a couple months they built the

795
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,400
link along 47th Street and

796
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,800
3A is a shorter distance.

797
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,080
So, is that something you could track

798
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280
down, Todd, and try to hone in on that

799
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,160
or just what they wrote? Because

800
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400
otherwise there's a huge disconnect

801
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200
in all of our discussions about trying

802
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
to get that bridge open this fall, and

803
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,120
now having an announcement that they

804
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,960
won't finish it till next summer.

805
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760
>> Yeah, happy to.

806
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,794
>> Okay, thank you.

807
00:28:53,804 --> 00:28:57,630
» [laughter]

808
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,640
» Never a dull moment.

809
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Okay, let's move on to public comments.

810
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Um, we're happy to take comments from

811
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,920
anyone here in the room or online. Uh,

812
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,160
but

813
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920
please hold your comments if they regard

814
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
either the variance request for 7011

815
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Hillcrest Place or the ordinance on ADU

816
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,560
regulations. Do we have any public

817
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,910
comments?

818
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,120
Going once.

819
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Going twice.

820
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,800
No public comments this evening.

821
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Okay, let's move on to the second part

822
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
of our program. And the first item on

823
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,920
the agenda is a public hearing for the

824
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520
variance request of 7011 Hillcrest

825
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Place.

826
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Um, I'm going to turn this over to the

827
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320
town attorney, Ron Bolt, to introduce

828
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,000
this for us. Thank you.

829
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,680
>> Thank you. Yes, this is the application

830
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,520
of Kevin and Mary Love for a FAR, floor

831
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,720
area ratio, variance of 100 square feet

832
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,320
to accommodate a second story addition

833
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,440
in a

834
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720
rear screen porch to be built on an

835
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
existing deck.

836
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,640
The hearing will begin with the

837
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
applicant's case, and the applicant can

838
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520
please note that the council has had the

839
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560
opportunity to review your materials in

840
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,720
advance, so you don't need to restate

841
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,680
everything in there, but please feel

842
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,880
free to address what you'd like.

843
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,360
After that,

844
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
the council members will ask their

845
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,480
questions of staff and/or the applicant.

846
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,080
Following that, if there's anyone else

847
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,480
attending the hearing tonight that wants

848
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,640
to make a comment or ask a question,

849
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,960
you'll have the opportunity to do so.

850
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Then the applicant will be be given a

851
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,000
rebuttal period if necessary.

852
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,720
The record will then close and the

853
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000
council will deliberate and entertain a

854
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,440
motion directing me to prepare a written

855
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,440
decision either approving or denying the

856
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,520
request. Please note that if the request

857
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,680
is approved, it's not final until it's

858
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,520
been written up and that's usually a

859
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,760
process that takes about a week or two

860
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,760
and you can't get your permit till

861
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,960
that variance decision has been issued.

862
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040
Before anyone speaks, we ask that you

863
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080
please wait until you're identified by

864
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040
the mayor for purposes of the recording

865
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,520
so that we don't have multiple people

866
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,400
speaking at once.

867
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Please identify yourself by name and

868
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,360
address

869
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
and I'll note for the record that we've

870
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
received two letters in support of the

871
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,920
request.

872
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,560
One from Beth Tomasello and David Keto

873
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,880
who are confronting neighbors across the

874
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,760
street and another letter from Ashley

875
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,160
McIntosh. I do not know where she

876
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
resides but perhaps Miss Love can let us

877
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400
know if she knows. And then we also got

878
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,440
a call in support from Stephen Canter on

879
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Sycamore.

880
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560
And those are in the record. So with

881
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,760
that, turn to the applicant. Now please

882
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920
come up to the the microphone stand if

883
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,800
you would.

884
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,332
Yes, thank you.

885
00:32:08,342 --> 00:32:09,240
» [clears throat]

886
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,240
>> All right. So Mary Love, I'm the uh

887
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,720
the the the one of the two people for

888
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,240
the application and essentially what we

889
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,560
are trying to do is create a master

890
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,280
bath. I see Carlos a tall man over

891
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,080
there. My husband is a tall man and our

892
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
current master bath is under a gambrel

893
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,480
roof so he cannot stand upright in our

894
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120
shower. So we felt like after

895
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,720
two or three years in in house, we're

896
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,200
going to uh

897
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760
give us more than a 5 by 5 ft shower

898
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,520
that he might be able to stand upright

899
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,040
in. And so, what we're planning on doing

900
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,000
for our

901
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120
hopefully our construction,

902
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,480
and it's okay that we won't get this for

903
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,200
a week because we have paused on

904
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,240
engineering until we get your blessing,

905
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,720
is our first floor has a bathroom that

906
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280
was added, I think, in the '70s. So,

907
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,480
essentially what we want to do on the

908
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,280
second floor is build a bathroom

909
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,120
directly above that. I wouldn't call it

910
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,280
extravagant or large.

911
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400
You know, it'll be a shower, a toilet, a

912
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,840
vanity for both of us. And then, we have

913
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,240
an existing porch in the back of our

914
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,000
house. And so, our goal was always to

915
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
screen it in. Just I'm sure you guys

916
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,960
have been outside today. I think the

917
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,200
mosquitoes have come out with a

918
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,520
vengeance.

919
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,560
My poor children are covered in bites.

920
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Our thought is, you know, we want some

921
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,800
sort of outdoor living space that we can

922
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,560
actually enjoy during the summer. And

923
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,000
then, the last thing we're going to do

924
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,440
with this project, I I don't know if it

925
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,440
even needs to be addressed, but our

926
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,480
front stoop is failing after a mere 100

927
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,920
years. So, we're going to give that a

928
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,470
bit of a face-lift.

929
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,480
» Thank you.

930
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Does anyone have any questions for Mrs.

931
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,630
Love?

932
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Do we have any comments from anyone here

933
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360
in the room or anyone online regarding

934
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,430
this variance request?

935
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
» Guys, I have a microphone. I want to

936
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,639
talk a little longer. Now, I'm just

937
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,173
kidding.

938
00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:10,760
>> [laughter]

939
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120
>> I I just unmuted, but I don't know if

940
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,280
it's my turn to speak.

941
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
>> It It is. Could you please identify

942
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,399
yourself and your address?

943
00:34:19,399 --> 00:34:22,800
>> Yeah, hi. My name is Brian Steel. My

944
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,720
wife, Jessica, and I recently purchased

945
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,399
4104

946
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:30,200
Sycamore Street, which is immediately

947
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,120
adjacent to the north of the Love's

948
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,440
property. So, we're at the corner of

949
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,399
Hillcrest and Sycamore.

950
00:34:37,399 --> 00:34:38,679
And

951
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,960
we're So, we're familiar with the layout

952
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,679
of that end of the street. And I think

953
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,960
that this modification would

954
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
be a meaningful enhancement to the

955
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Love's home and entirely in keeping with

956
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,159
what else has happened and is happening

957
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,800
in that area.

958
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,320
Um in in all respects. Um so, we are

959
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,720
supportive of their plans and

960
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,680
look forward to Mr. Love being able to

961
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400
stand up straight in the shower.

962
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,360
>> Thank you, Brian.

963
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,160
Thank you for that comment. Do we have

964
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,200
any other comments or questions about

965
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:25,110
this variance request?

966
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,790
Do we have any comments from staff?

967
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,880
Would the council like to deliberate

968
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,320
about this variance?

969
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,560
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

970
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,920
variance.

971
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,120
>> Second. [clears throat]

972
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,800
>> All in favor.

973
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,529
>> I.

974
00:35:42,529 --> 00:35:42,920
>> [clears throat]

975
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,320
>> Wonderful.

976
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
>> Thank you.

977
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
>> Were you expecting a more more drama?

978
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,079
I'm sorry to disappoint you.

979
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:55,830
>> [laughter]

980
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,480
» Brian, would you please the app Please

981
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,280
advise the applicant of what comes next.

982
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
>> Yes, so now I'll draft the decision and

983
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,160
I'll circulate it to the council for

984
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,680
approval. And once that's been signed by

985
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,400
the mayor, you can get your permit and

986
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,720
usually about a week or two to to get

987
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:18,150
that decision written and approved.

988
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,440
And then Dave will let you know once the

989
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,400
decision's ready and you can get your

990
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,390
permit.

991
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,480
» Right. All right. On to the discussion

992
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,680
of and the public hearing.

993
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,160
>> Excuse me, may I make a quick comment?

994
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:31,520
>> Yes.

995
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,280
>> Um

996
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,960
as a liaison to the land use committee

997
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,680
this coming year, um

998
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,160
there are a number of issues in our code

999
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,440
that uh like to have taken up and I'm

1000
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,600
talking to Dave about. And I'd like to

1001
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480
add this to one as to sort of the

1002
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,280
question of whether a screened-in porch

1003
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,760
should be counted as part you know,

1004
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440
inside the FAR. Uh and I think that's a

1005
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,160
legitimate question for us to ask and

1006
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,800
I'd like deliberation because uh

1007
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,760
I and I many, many years ago I pushed

1008
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,440
hard to change our code so people could

1009
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,760
build by right a front uh

1010
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,320
a front porch out 9 ft instead of only 3

1011
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,040
ft. I felt that was reasonable.

1012
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Uh and and uh we also learned that that

1013
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,920
only applied to the porch floor but not

1014
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,840
the porch roof seal the ceiling for the

1015
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,400
porch. So, anyway, there are going to be

1016
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,160
a number of issues that we want to take

1017
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
up. Uh I might add also the one that we

1018
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,600
dealt with last time dealing with the

1019
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,240
restriction on

1020
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,320
um retaining walls having to be 2 ft

1021
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,520
back and whether that should be scaled

1022
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600
so that a low wall doesn't have the same

1023
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,800
requirement as a high wall would. So,

1024
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,240
anyway, we'll be taking up a lot of

1025
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,560
these issues over the course of this

1026
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,680
coming year and hopefully coming back to

1027
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,960
the council for the discussion.

1028
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,680
>> Terrific. Timbrook.

1029
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600
>> With there also um was there also the

1030
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,480
issue of the roof over the the stairway

1031
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,480
to the basement, the outdoor stairway to

1032
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:51,800
the basement?

1033
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,800
>> was another one. Thank you for

1034
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,040
mentioning that. Is that on the on your

1035
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,461
list? It's on the list. Okay.

1036
00:37:57,461 --> 00:37:58,240
>> [laughter]

1037
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,320
>> Great.

1038
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,560
You sound like the character from the

1039
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Mikado. What's the you know, the has the

1040
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120
list of all the people in

1041
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
>> He's got a little list.

1042
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Um okay, ordinance to amend the ADU

1043
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,840
regulation. Um this is a open public

1044
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,440
hearing. Um Ron, I'm going to turn to

1045
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,200
you again to

1046
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,480
start us off on that.

1047
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,320
>> Yes. So, as everybody is aware

1048
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,760
in the General Assembly regular session

1049
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,880
for 2025, a law was passed

1050
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,160
providing that local jurisdictions,

1051
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,920
including the town,

1052
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,840
have to promote accessory dwelling units

1053
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,200
by affording them the same setbacks as

1054
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,440
other accessory buildings. So, that law

1055
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,640
provides you cannot impose on an

1056
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,440
accessory dwelling unit like a you know,

1057
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,480
granny pod or the like, a setback that's

1058
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,880
larger than what you require for sheds,

1059
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,840
detached garages, and other accessory

1060
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,960
buildings. The town code currently has

1061
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,280
different setbacks for different types

1062
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,200
of accessory buildings.

1063
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,160
And so, this ordinance would eliminate

1064
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
the stricter setback for detached

1065
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,600
accessory dwelling units, and it'll

1066
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
apply the same setback to all accessory

1067
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,440
buildings.

1068
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,080
There is currently in the code the

1069
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200
setback modifier that is similar to the

1070
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640
county's. So, where an accessory

1071
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,040
building is taller than 12 ft or longer

1072
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,480
than 24 ft,

1073
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,480
an additional setback applies for each

1074
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
additional foot over those thresholds.

1075
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:44,600
So, the proposal is to rely on that existing setback modifier to uh

1076
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,360
prevent the looming of accessory

1077
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,840
buildings over the neighbors.

1078
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Uh the state law provides that we have

1079
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,280
to adopt the law before October of 2026.

1080
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Uh this is why we are doing it now. And

1081
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,320
the ordinance has already been

1082
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,320
introduced, and as the mayor noted, it's

1083
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
on the docket tonight for a public

1084
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,920
hearing. And following the public

1085
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,320
hearing, if the council so wishes, there

1086
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:18,350
can be a motion to adopt that ordinance.

1087
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,120
» Do we have any discussion of this

1088
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:26,190
particular ordinance?

1089
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Do we have any comments from the public

1090
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,240
either online or here in the room

1091
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:37,630
regarding the ADU regulation?

1092
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,840
» Hi, this is D. Harris.

1093
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,880
Is this time for

1094
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,760
>> Yes, yes, we

1095
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,280
>> speak briefly?

1096
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,800
>> Thank you. You can comment about this.

1097
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,400
D, what is your address, please?

1098
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,270
>> Yeah, 4428 Ridge Street.

1099
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,560
» Go ahead.

1100
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,160
>> Yeah, I just

1101
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,800
the adjustments to the regulations look

1102
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,480
eminently reasonable to me and I'm glad

1103
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
that the town is taking care of this on

1104
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,200
a timely basis. My only request is to

1105
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200
I don't know whether this can happen in

1106
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,080
tonight's discussion or not, but I think

1107
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
it would help to

1108
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,400
um

1109
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,880
clarify somehow

1110
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,280
uh

1111
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
when I read through the proposed um

1112
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,960
ordinance, there was discussion of the

1113
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
ability to

1114
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,320
um

1115
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,440
maintain,

1116
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480
uh modify, and I can't remember the

1117
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,240
exact words, but maintain, modify, and

1118
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,280
um

1119
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,760
>> repair there you go,

1120
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,640
existing buildings. Um and I was

1121
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440
interested out whether there's any

1122
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,320
adjustment or where one can find out

1123
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,200
information about what kind of

1124
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880
permitting is necessary in order to

1125
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,840
repair, modify, or

1126
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,440
uh you know, all of those things. That's

1127
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,320
just more more of a question than a

1128
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,160
comment, but it seemed relevant to

1129
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,520
um

1130
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:17,870
make sure that people know.

1131
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,870
Just yes.

1132
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Yeah, Dave can correct me if I'm wrong,

1133
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,840
but I believe no permit is needed for

1134
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,600
ordinary repairs either at the town or

1135
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,400
the county level.

1136
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Um, but if you are

1137
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480
and let's say ripping off the siding and

1138
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,280
putting on new siding, then a permit is

1139
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160
required in order to confirm compliance

1140
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,440
with with setbacks, but yeah, Dave can

1141
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,870
correct me if I'm wrong there.

1142
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,160
» Yeah, the yeah, the short answer is

1143
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,320
there's

1144
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,320
you know, some discretion or that needs

1145
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,560
to be applied as to when a repair turns

1146
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920
into a replacement. Um, so, you know, I

1147
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,200
can certainly meet you out there to take

1148
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,880
a look at it. Um,

1149
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
if you have a specific question and

1150
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,760
generally as long as the

1151
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,480
three-dimensional shape of the building

1152
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,960
is not changed and it's maintained

1153
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,280
during the course of the construction,

1154
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,440
um, we consider that to be a repair

1155
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,360
and does not require a permit.

1156
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,000
>> And new doors for example on on a

1157
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,920
dilapidated building is not a is is just

1158
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,920
a repair, yes?

1159
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,680
>> That is just a repair, yeah. Yeah, new

1160
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,760
siding can go up. Um, you know, if the

1161
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,720
roof rafters are are rotten, as long as

1162
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,480
the structure itself is maintained and

1163
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,560
they're replaced in the same dimension,

1164
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,200
that's a repair, so so we're pretty

1165
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,120
flexible.

1166
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,600
>> Okay, great. Thank you thank you very

1167
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,550
much.

1168
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,680
Do we have other comments or questions

1169
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:54,230
regarding this ordinance?

1170
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,800
I think it's a worthy effort. We need to

1171
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,520
be in compliance with county law.

1172
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,360
Um,

1173
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,920
this probably doesn't materially change

1174
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,520
the existence of any other dwellings in

1175
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,680
the town.

1176
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
So, Ron, at this point, is it up to us

1177
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,840
to make a motion to approve this

1178
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,360
>> Yes.

1179
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:11,800
>> ordinance?

1180
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,760
>> That's right. Yeah, and then the

1181
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,920
ordinance will take effect on

1182
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480
August 7th, 2026.

1183
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,360
Uh we were required to give the County

1184
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Council notice, which we did.

1185
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,240
Under state law, the county has the

1186
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,360
opportunity to provide comments

1187
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,920
on our building regulations. They did

1188
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,670
not provide any comments.

1189
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,880
» Very good. Do we have a motion?

1190
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,200
>> I'll move [clears throat] approval of

1191
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,280
the ordinance to amend the front yard

1192
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,255
hedge regulations.

1193
00:44:42,255 --> 00:44:43,680
>> [laughter]

1194
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,600
>> This is for the accessory dwelling units

1195
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,830
ordinance.

1196
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,080
Sorry. I I was still I'll move approval

1197
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,320
for the accessory dwelling unit

1198
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,110
regulations.

1199
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,400
» All in favor.

1200
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,670
>> I.

1201
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,440
» Thank you very much. Now, we're moving

1202
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,800
on to the third part of our program this

1203
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,080
evening, and that is council discussions

1204
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,360
and actions.

1205
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,880
And we're going to start now with a

1206
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,960
discussion of

1207
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,120
the ordinance to amend front yard hedge

1208
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,400
regulations.

1209
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Over to you, Ron.

1210
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,160
>> Okay.

1211
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,320
So,

1212
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,160
the council will recall that

1213
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:35,680
there's a strange result from application of our front yard hedge requirement, which

1214
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,240
prohibits

1215
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,680
hedges in a front yard exceeding 3 ft.

1216
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,280
And it was noted that with respect to a

1217
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,320
particular property,

1218
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,440
that resulted in an overly restrictive

1219
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400
situation because the grade of that

1220
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,400
property is lower than the street, and

1221
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160
so you can and you could have a 5-ft

1222
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,600
hedge that's completely not visible from

1223
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,240
street level, but because we say they

1224
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,520
can be no taller than 3 ft,

1225
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,240
uh those hedges would be prohibited. So,

1226
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,560
this ordinance would amend the

1227
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,480
regulations to provide that we're going

1228
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,800
to measure the height of the hedge from

1229
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,960
the surface of the grade of adjoining

1230
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,720
ground or the grade of the nearest

1231
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,880
public sidewalk

1232
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,920
or the curb or edge of the street you

1233
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,240
know when in circumstances where that is

1234
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,400
uh

1235
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,680
higher

1236
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,600
than the uh actual elevation of the

1237
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,270
yard.

1238
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,950
And so, this has has

1239
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,870
Let's see.

1240
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,880
» Was that the tool public hearing in May?

1241
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,280
>> Okay, thank you. Yeah, I couldn't

1242
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,720
remember why we're in discussions

1243
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,920
instead of public hearings. Thank you,

1244
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,280
Todd. Yeah, so we've already had the

1245
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,400
public hearing on this one. This one is

1246
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,880
ready for

1247
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,360
a motion to adopt unless there are

1248
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,960
discussions or amendments.

1249
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,640
>> I gave this to [clears throat] the

1250
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,080
council, so.

1251
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,680
>> Notice was also given

1252
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,680
>> I'm sorry, Todd.

1253
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,280
>> Notice was also given to the county and

1254
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,760
they had no comments.

1255
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,920
>> Yes, thank you.

1256
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,840
>> Okay, so

1257
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,360
do we have a motion?

1258
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,520
Do Are we Is there any more discussion

1259
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,200
on this matter?

1260
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,840
>> I just wondered, are we supposed to open

1261
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,560
it up for discussion from the public? Is

1262
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,280
this a public hearing?

1263
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,320
>> We had the public hearing. We had the

1264
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,600
public hearing already and we didn't

1265
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,920
have the appropriate notice period to

1266
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,600
the county, which is why we

1267
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,800
this time are you know why we shifted

1268
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,760
the vote to this meeting.

1269
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,160
>> Right.

1270
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,160
>> So, if there are no other discussions

1271
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,240
or comments from the council regarding

1272
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,070
this ordinance, do we have a motion?

1273
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,400
» I'll start.

1274
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,400
All in favor?

1275
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,310
>> Aye.

1276
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960
» Very good. Um

1277
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Finally, uh

1278
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,600
Katie,

1279
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,560
we are ready to hear

1280
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,720
a presentation from the PTA the Rosemary

1281
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,640
Hills Elementary School PTA regarding a

1282
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
grant request that they made last year

1283
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,160
for

1284
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,200
the Rosemary Hills Elementary School

1285
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,600
outdoor classroom project.

1286
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
>> Hi everyone.

1287
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,670
Hello south.

1288
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,240
So I don't want to be repetitive, but I

1289
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,000
can give a brief summary of where we

1290
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,760
started and where we are if that's

1291
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,600
helpful. I'm Katie Bale.

1292
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,640
I'm the executive vice president now at

1293
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
the Rosemary Hills PTA

1294
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,840
and I'm still stewarding this along

1295
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,120
after a long year of discussion with the

1296
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,800
county and waiting. Um

1297
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,280
and I'm grateful for

1298
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,000
the interest and support here. So the

1299
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,800
where we started was with a proposal

1300
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,440
that I did

1301
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,640
researching and talking to companies

1302
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,920
about costs and um what we thought as an

1303
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,000
estimate would be of the work and at the

1304
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,400
time the main consideration was increased

1305
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880
shade for the space which I know you

1306
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,440
went and I think you went and saw

1307
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,960
recently. Rebecca told me that you made

1308
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,560
a quick little visit. Thank you for

1309
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,120
doing that. Um

1310
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,680
and to reduce maintenance. So up front

1311
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,960
it cost a little bit more in order to

1312
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,080
put some pavers in and get rid of some

1313
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,240
of the mulch and so our original idea

1314
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,000
was to get some sort of shade sail back

1315
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,880
there to allow for children to be out

1316
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,440
there without being roasting cuz there

1317
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,200
really isn't shade back there and then

1318
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,240
to kind of get rid of these big beds

1319
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,280
that required a lot of mulching where

1320
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,960
the PTA was spending thousands of

1321
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,160
dollars just to get it weeded.

1322
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,560
And so

1323
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,560
we brought this to the principal. She

1324
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,720
brought it to the district. We finally

1325
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,720
got up in the queue for uh discussion

1326
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,640
and um

1327
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,800
met with them in the spring and they had

1328
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,600
some really great suggestions about how

1329
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,880
to modify the project to both make it

1330
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,160
more cost-effective and also just easier

1331
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,360
to

1332
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,120
um maintain long-term. Like for example,

1333
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,680
a shade sail is lovely, but

1334
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,520
if it were to rip or break, it's just

1335
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,440
it's a onerous both financially um

1336
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,360
and just uh

1337
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,880
for the county to deal with. So, having

1338
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
the umbrellas with the tables and

1339
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,160
getting a tree installed that's going to

1340
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,720
grow into a big shade tree would be more

1341
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,480
cost-effective and just easier to

1342
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,200
maintain, which really is aligns well.

1343
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,720
And we've had really great discussions

1344
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,240
with the county on this. They've been a

1345
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,520
great partner in seeing what we wanted

1346
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,960
to do, providing us input on what other

1347
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,520
schools have done.

1348
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Um and so that's brought the cost down,

1349
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,560
which [clears throat] is great. So,

1350
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,640
we're kind of closer to about 50,000 as

1351
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,680
opposed to 65,000,

1352
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,120
which uh is on account of

1353
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,920
the shade sail not being in there and um

1354
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,400
the tree that will go in. They have a um

1355
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
partnership with a local nursery where

1356
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,120
we can get free trees and they've

1357
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,560
already done that up

1358
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,720
on the um

1359
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,920
the playground side, which is lovely cuz

1360
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,640
we also don't really have shade on the

1361
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,360
playground. So, at recess, even when

1362
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,800
it's only like 75 out, it can feel quite

1363
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,800
warm. So, they've planted a bunch of

1364
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,960
river birch trees along the perimeter

1365
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,040
there

1366
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,320
um that will grow fast and provide more

1367
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,200
shade for the kids when they're out

1368
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,120
there for recess.

1369
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,160
Um

1370
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,560
So, that

1371
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,840
Now, we have approval from uh the

1372
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,680
district. We have a approved contract um

1373
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,120
and they've started clearing the space.

1374
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,920
We received our $10,000

1375
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,480
um commitment uh from Section 5 this

1376
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,080
week that came in the mail. Uh Section 3

1377
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,600
is having their meeting tonight and

1378
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,520
she's going to get the signatures on

1379
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,920
that check.

1380
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,720
Um and so, we're very We're in very good

1381
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,280
shape to make this happen and be

1382
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,680
completed um by the time school starts,

1383
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,360
which is really exciting. So, right now

1384
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,200
the main project is um

1385
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,720
clearing the space and getting it ready

1386
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,360
uh and that will be done in the coming

1387
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,000
weeks and they'll be out there watering

1388
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,600
the sod and uh taking care of that. And

1389
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000
then the second part uh will be

1390
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,320
purchasing some of the educational

1391
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,960
items. So,

1392
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,520
um that's kind of where we are. I can

1393
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,280
talk more specific if you like, but um

1394
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,760
you know, just again incredibly

1395
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,920
grateful. And I also just want to say

1396
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,040
thank you again uh for that opportunity

1397
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,840
to come because when I spoke last year,

1398
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,720
it resulted in a in a different donation

1399
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,720
cuz I also talked to you about our food

1400
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,040
pantry and we got a $2,000 donation from

1401
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,000
um a resident who has a family

1402
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,920
foundation and has supported the BCC

1403
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,160
food pantry. And so, this year we were

1404
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,280
able to have

1405
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,840
I think six or seven um market days and

1406
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,600
had about 15 families each time and the

1407
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,800
money that we received from them

1408
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,240
enabled us to replenish it throughout

1409
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,800
the year and really had a lot of

1410
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,840
community buy-in. And so, now we have a

1411
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,960
plan next year to do more and um engage

1412
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,880
our families on participating in um

1413
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
contributing toward it. So, it's really

1414
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,280
exciting and we have a teacher who's um

1415
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,800
son is going to start there next year.

1416
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,960
She lives over in section five and she's

1417
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,160
going to be sort of like our in-house

1418
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
liaison to enable people to sort of go

1419
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,760
more on demand. Um so, I just I really

1420
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,040
thank

1421
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,440
the opportunity not just to talk about

1422
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,360
the outdoor classroom, but other ways

1423
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,640
that we ended up helping the community.

1424
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,760
So, thank you so much. I really

1425
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,040
appreciate it. Um I'm happy to answer

1426
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,480
question.

1427
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,520
>> Certainly, go right ahead, Bonnie.

1428
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,200
>> Yeah, thank you. Um

1429
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,120
when we made [clears throat] this

1430
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,120
appropriation, we gave 10,000 outright

1431
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,560
and we'd give another 10,000 if matched.

1432
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:22,920
>> Yep.

1433
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,080
>> We made it clear that we the match would

1434
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,480
not apply to governmental sources of

1435
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,440
fund funding.

1436
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:28,720
>> Yep.

1437
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,560
>> But, we also made clear that the match

1438
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,240
would apply for donations otherwise from

1439
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:34,440
anywhere. It didn't have to be from

1440
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,840
within the town.

1441
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,960
Um and so, I really like a little bit of

1442
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,440
clarification here regarding your your

1443
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,800
comment in your memo that the PTA can

1444
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,520
complete the match.

1445
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,160
>> We would

1446
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,920
>> Is that effectively from other donations

1447
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,000
from families and individuals?

1448
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,920
>> We have enough money in hand to do that.

1449
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,800
We wanted to contribute a part

1450
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,760
to it as well and I

1451
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,840
I'm been the treasurer and we've had a

1452
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,160
really strong year of

1453
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,640
fundraising again, probably more than I

1454
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,720
thought and part of that is we had an

1455
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:09,480
incredible

1456
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,920
uh response to our food drive in the

1457
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,480
fall and we received

1458
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,000
$12,000

1459
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,080
from the community to provide food that

1460
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,560
I thought we were otherwise going to

1461
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,920
have to do out of our own PTA budget.

1462
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,160
So, we both provide food and uh gift

1463
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,480
cards. So, we um we didn't have to pull

1464
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,600
into our money as much. So, we

1465
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,280
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Let

1466
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,360
me Let me clarify. So, uh when you're

1467
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,040
suggesting if we could use the PTA

1468
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,520
contribution as part of the matching

1469
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,920
that would draw the additional money

1470
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,080
from our office.

1471
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,920
>> If you were amenable to

1472
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,280
>> is that where does that where does that

1473
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,000
PTA money coming from?

1474
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,360
>> That comes from just our donations.

1475
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,240
>> Donations from families to the PTA.

1476
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:54,680
>> right. That's right.

1477
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,080
>> okay. So that not from

1478
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,440
>> the auction or no, no, no. It's not from

1479
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,440
It's not a match from the I'm sorry. No, no. It This is because

1480
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,280
like I said, I thought we would be more

1481
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,360
encumbered and helping cuz we had 30

1482
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,120
families that we were planning for and

1483
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,680
then we had 60 and I thought, okay,

1484
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,440
well, then we're really going to have a

1485
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,000
lot more to spend there, but between

1486
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,360
community donations and um

1487
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,680
other things, we were able to cover

1488
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,760
that. So we have a little bit more than

1489
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,320
I expected in funds that came

1490
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,560
from our annual fund, spirit wear sales,

1491
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,880
rhino run, all things that are

1492
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,520
contributed from the community.

1493
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,840
>> I need to know. Okay. Um so the other

1494
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,000
question is this. In terms of the

1495
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,920
budget, you are still looking to get

1496
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,560
um

1497
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440
your base I'll round it up to 50,000,

1498
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,200
right? Okay. And

1499
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,240
to get to the 50

1500
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,000
what I see here is 13 from section 3, 10

1501
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,760
from section 5

1502
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,160
are committed 10. So that's 33,000.

1503
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,720
Another if you count if you're only at

1504
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,360
the 2788 and only count of that, that

1505
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,520
would yield

1506
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,280
and then we would match that. Okay. So

1507
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,200
that's another 5,500 or thereabouts. So

1508
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,560
you're only at around 38,000.

1509
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,440
On the other hand, if we permitted the

1510
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,360
PTA match to be included then the town

1511
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,280
would put in a full additional 10, you'd

1512
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,000
have that other 10.

1513
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,960
So then you would have

1514
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,400
13 plus 10

1515
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,840
plus 20 from us plus another 10.

1516
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,160
So 13 23 Um

1517
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,760
uh

1518
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,080
53. you're much closer to actually what

1519
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,520
you need. Is that I

1520
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,080
>> That's right.

1521
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,400
>> Am I correct in those numbers?

1522
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,520
>> That's That's right. That's right. We

1523
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,920
We're coming in where we're in a very

1524
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,720
strong position and any overage, I have

1525
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,640
a commitment from section three to

1526
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,960
um

1527
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,440
provide that if something were to come

1528
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,800
up unexpected. Um and so I feel very

1529
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,200
confident that we can

1530
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,120
um put it all together. I mean, the the

1531
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,000
money that we have

1532
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000
>> Sorry to interrupt, but I just want to

1533
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,080
be clear. It seems to me that

1534
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,880
if my colleagues are comf- comfortable

1535
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,040
with this, permitting the PTA donation

1536
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,280
to count against as as matching funds,

1537
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,480
which therefore would allow us to raise

1538
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,480
our contribution to the full 20,000,

1539
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,840
actually is really important in terms of

1540
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,840
you being able to get the budget.

1541
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,720
>> No, it it it is, but we

1542
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,240
also

1543
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,960
have a plan where with what we have now

1544
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,040
and what we contribute, we can get the

1545
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,160
maintenance done and then if we needed

1546
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,360
to

1547
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,320
piece out, you know, buying the

1548
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,640
educational board, we could do that um

1549
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,400
in the year as we're fundraising,

1550
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,080
uh

1551
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,400
whether it's like I said through the

1552
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,680
annual fund or

1553
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,440
whatever it is that we get. Um my family

1554
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,000
typically does a $10,000 match. So maybe

1555
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,920
instead of that, we would

1556
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,760
give to this. So it's it's um it is

1557
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:05,390
fluid, but I mean, we're close.

1558
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,000
» Um I was also a little confused. I'm

1559
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,440
going to play back what I think I

1560
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,120
understand from this and tell me if I've

1561
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,760
got it right.

1562
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,480
So your original estimate was 65,000.

1563
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:14,880
>> Yep.

1564
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,390
>> You've trimmed that down to 49,400.

1565
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,600
Plus 3,000 for the umbrellas or does

1566
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,840
that include 3,000 for the umbrellas?

1567
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,800
>> So

1568
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,160
>> It's just a yes or no. We I know

1569
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,480
>> I'm just waiting cuz I have to use um

1570
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,440
district-approved

1571
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,440
contractors. So, you know, they ballpark

1572
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,720
things for me, but then I need to go to

1573
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:37,920
it.

1574
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,560
>> Is the total project now 49,400 or is it

1575
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,880
52,400?

1576
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:43,960
>> It's 52,400.

1577
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,360
>> Okay, so 52,400.

1578
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,880
>> That's what I would say is what I'm

1579
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:47,280
looking at.

1580
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,320
>> you hope to get.

1581
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:48,760
>> Yep.

1582
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,040
>> You already have

1583
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,880
33 in

1584
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,680
hand including our 10,000.

1585
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,680
If the PTA

1586
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,760
comes up with 10, we come up with 10,

1587
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,400
you've got all the money you need.

1588
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,800
>> Yeah.

1589
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,760
>> Very close.

1590
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,506
>> Yeah.

1591
01:00:04,506 --> 01:00:04,560
>> [laughter]

1592
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:04,840
>> Right.

1593
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,760
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1594
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,640
>> Yeah.

1595
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
>> And most immediately

1596
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,120
you need this 39 to cover the work

1597
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,920
that's already begun, right?

1598
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,360
>> And I have 23 of it. Like I've got the 10

1599
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,560
from

1600
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,000
um

1601
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,320
from section five and like as of tonight

1602
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,160
I'll have the 13 from from section

1603
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,600
three. So, I we're good to start. I

1604
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,800
mean, we wouldn't have started if we

1605
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,320
didn't think

1606
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,320
we knew you know, didn't think we had

1607
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,640
the funds

1608
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,320
to cover that.

1609
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,200
>> Is there a Is there a special account

1610
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,680
that's been set up

1611
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,080
for this project, a dedicated account?

1612
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,960
>> It's not a dedicated account. It's a

1613
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,480
line item

1614
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,080
uh but

1615
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,880
>> Line item in what in whose budget?

1616
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,520
>> In our budget. Yeah, I mean but

1617
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,040
>> It meaning the PTA's budget?

1618
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,800
>> PTA budget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,

1619
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,120
there's a line for it, but it's not if

1620
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,280
you mean like did we set up a separate

1621
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,240
bank account? No, but

1622
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,160
>> Okay. I just want to make sure I

1623
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:00,040
understood.

1624
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,360
>> Yeah, yeah.

1625
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,480
>> Just in terms of tracking our donation.

1626
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,280
>> Yeah, no, I

1627
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,320
So, everything that came in with that

1628
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,520
gets tracked to

1629
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,720
a specific number in QuickBooks. So, all

1630
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,600
of that is tracked. So, when I sent that

1631
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,200
from Todd, you know, that was everything

1632
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,240
that came from from

1633
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,520
that request, the 2788, and that's

1634
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:31,000
marked when we run the report on that, that's

1635
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,840
everything marked to that specific link.

1636
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,080
It's

1637
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,640
the 7,000 is from our general fund

1638
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,560
though. Like if we were to do the

1639
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,600
remaining match, that's just PTA general

1640
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:44,200
fund.

1641
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,680
>> Right. Okay.

1642
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,590
>> Does that make sense?

1643
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,040
» Okay, so I have um so thank you, Katie.

1644
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,440
Um I have some questions for for you all

1645
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,600
and and for Todd in terms of how we

1646
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,000
would do this. So, in the past when

1647
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,360
we've given other grants and and we have

1648
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360
done other grants to nonprofit

1649
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,040
organizations that serve town residents,

1650
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,440
um

1651
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,560
we

1652
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,040
write the check to the organization. So,

1653
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,080
let's just start with the 10 grand that

1654
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,640
we

1655
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,720
committed. Um and then how have we ever

1656
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,600
done matching funds? And if so, how

1657
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,600
would we verify that those matching

1658
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,360
funds were actually collected for this

1659
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,030
purpose?

1660
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,640
» Oh gosh.

1661
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,160
>> Well, I Oh, sorry.

1662
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,600
>> Yeah.

1663
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,440
>> Todd. Go ahead.

1664
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,440
Todd.

1665
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,600
>> Off the top of my head, I don't know if

1666
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,840
we've done any done anything like this

1667
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,400
in in a matching way, but I don't have

1668
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,120
total recall right now over the past

1669
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,280
20-some years to know if we've ever done

1670
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,670
this, but not that I can recollect.

1671
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,913
» Yeah, I haven't either.

1672
01:02:48,913 --> 01:02:49,200
>> [clears throat]

1673
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,680
>> This was an

1674
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,800
off-the-cuff idea and how to try to

1675
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,880
>> I have I mean, I have from because it

1676
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,960
was um primarily people giving through

1677
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,200
um online donation. Like I the list that

1678
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,840
I produce comes from Stripe, and I can

1679
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,040
produce more evidence of it being a real

1680
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,200
transaction if you need, but that that

1681
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,800
comes from people clicking on a specific

1682
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,760
link that only goes to the outdoor

1683
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,080
classroom funding. So, I was really

1684
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,440
intentional about tracking it

1685
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:24,600
>> Correct.

1686
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:25,880
>> that way.

1687
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:26,480
Um

1688
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,600
so,

1689
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,760
I feel really and I'd be happy to open

1690
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,360
up the books to Todd, to anyone to to

1691
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,360
see the back end of Stripe of, you know,

1692
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,840
the verified transactions

1693
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,920
that have happened, you know, um

1694
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,800
if that would make you feel comfortable.

1695
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,200
>> Yes.

1696
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,280
>> And then um for us, I mean,

1697
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,440
we would probably if you allow the PTA

1698
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,840
to do it, we would probably give a check

1699
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,160
or I don't know what we would have to

1700
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,720
show, a check or something set aside.

1701
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Maybe I would

1702
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,880
pay to that link

1703
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,400
from our bank account, you know, to show

1704
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,520
the money from the PTA went or

1705
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,960
something. I'm trying to think of how we

1706
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,560
would maybe pay ourselves on that link

1707
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,880
so that you could see

1708
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,920
that. And so, we have the address and

1709
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,240
name and contact information of

1710
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,880
everybody. Yeah, yeah. And then they would be us.

1711
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,400
>> Okay, so I think we can work out with

1712
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,640
the town manager an appropriate way

1713
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,600
>> I can definitely get with you the

1714
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,760
nitty-gritty of it. Um

1715
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,840
but that those are that's how we went

1716
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,560
about it and part of the reason we did

1717
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,440
that specific link through Stripe, which

1718
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,800
is our payment processor, was

1719
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,360
to keep all of that separate from,

1720
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,040
you know, spirit wear, whatever, you

1721
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,680
know, all the other little things that

1722
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,920
we do. So, that was only for that.

1723
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,480
>> Okay. Okay.

1724
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,840
>> And we may we could also ask for a

1725
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,960
post-project report how the funds were

1726
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,160
used uh to ensure that our auditor has

1727
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,259
everything that they need to

1728
01:04:59,259 --> 01:04:59,600
>> [clears throat]

1729
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,160
>> ensure that

1730
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:00,760
>> Okay.

1731
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,600
>> So, absolutely they're kidding me if

1732
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,320
they can't be provided a report on

1733
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,560
>> you need.

1734
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,030
All right. Very good.

1735
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,640
And that I've been the treasurer, so

1736
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,720
I've been the one also like I'm

1737
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,200
going into a different role, but I've

1738
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,280
been the one handling all the

1739
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,040
transactions, so I feel really

1740
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,480
comfortable like that everything is in

1741
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,160
good order.

1742
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,600
>> I was going to suggest that

1743
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,920
in addition to whatever detail Todd

1744
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,200
thinks is necessary,

1745
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,280
just a letter that is a certification,

1746
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,880
you know, we have an approval that we

1747
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,240
took a few months ago.

1748
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,280
And you know, something from the PTA

1749
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,800
that certifies that they've raised money

1750
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,840
in accordance with

1751
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,240
how we approved it, so we can match. So,

1752
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,600
just have that as a

1753
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,520
single document and then

1754
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,480
I'd leave it to Todd as to how much

1755
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,680
verification beyond that he feels is

1756
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:57,840
necessary.

1757
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,240
>> No, that makes sense. We can do

1758
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,680
something that um is similar to the

1759
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,600
acknowledgement from the district and

1760
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,120
sort of

1761
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,240
puts all of that in a piece and you can

1762
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,000
have exhibits that show both, you know,

1763
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,200
the district approval, the approved

1764
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,920
contract, and the maintenance

1765
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,400
contract that we have with the you know,

1766
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,520
with the district.

1767
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,520
But we're very excited cuz it's going to

1768
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:27,390
make the space more usable. So, we're we really do appreciate it.

1769
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,520
» Very good.

1770
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,040
So, Todd, what is the next step for us?

1771
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,120
Do we need to make a motion to approve

1772
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,920
the grant? Um

1773
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,160
from what I understand though, the the

1774
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,160
$10,000 grant was that already approved

1775
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:39,840
last year?

1776
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:40,600
>> Yes.

1777
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,760
>> Okay. So, that grant was approved.

1778
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,520
>> There were conditions to it though.

1779
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:44,880
>> Yeah.

1780
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,280
>> Which have to be met including the

1781
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,000
contract and some other items. Todd, you

1782
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,960
may recall the specifics of it.

1783
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,640
But yes, there were some conditions. It

1784
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,680
was It was an outright grant of 10,000.

1785
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,640
>> Right. Okay. And so then the contract

1786
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,800
has at least for the for the phase one

1787
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,160
work of the outdoor classroom has been

1788
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,160
presented with Katie's materials. And so

1789
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,400
then the only thing that needs to be

1790
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,120
done is as Carlos suggested a

1791
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,680
certification that other funds have been

1792
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,320
raised.

1793
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,080
>> do we I think the the question is what

1794
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,000
is the size of the matching grant?

1795
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,400
>> Right.

1796
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,080
>> Uh and are we comfortable that the PTA

1797
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,560
contribution could count against the

1798
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,360
match? If we are,

1799
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,160
then if I understand Katie's point, we

1800
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,800
would then be providing an additional

1801
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,000
$10,000

1802
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,520
rather than only the additional 20 788.

1803
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:31,520
Um and

1804
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,680
>> And if you're if you decide that you're

1805
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,000
not

1806
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,320
>> We would need a motion for that.

1807
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,720
>> Yeah.

1808
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,360
>> Um but we have a plan still even if you

1809
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,760
were to not approve that. We will still

1810
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,720
put up money from the PTA and we just

1811
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,160
didn't have, you know,

1812
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,840
50,000 to do on our own, but we always

1813
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,760
plan to commit money and um if you don't

1814
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,360
think that that's an appropriate way cuz

1815
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,080
I really wasn't sure. I asked Todd. I

1816
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,480
was like, I don't even know if that is

1817
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,840
allowed to say, you know, the PTA would

1818
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,480
get the match from their funds, but I'm

1819
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,840
prepared to go back to section three and

1820
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,160
they will assist me. I I'm confident of

1821
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,680
that.

1822
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,839
>> Okay, so then

1823
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:18,200
>> By the way, I think

1824
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,400
>> Todd, go ahead.

1825
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,839
>> Yeah. Uh a PTA is a non-governmental

1826
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:25,160
source. It's it's a 501c3. So I I that

1827
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,799
would be eligible for a match from the

1828
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:27,880
town.

1829
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,040
Yeah, in in

1830
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,359
um

1831
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,759
June of 2025, uh there was a resolution

1832
01:08:34,759 --> 01:08:36,319
that was submitted to a public hearing

1833
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,600
for this support. Um obviously the

1834
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,520
contribution was subject to conditions

1835
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,720
being met.

1836
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,759
Uh they have been met according to your

1837
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:48,640
discussion this evening. Um and there

1838
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,759
was a commitment to provide that support

1839
01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:52,400
on those conditions. So tonight would

1840
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,240
just be a motion for a supplemental

1841
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,359
appropriation for the entire amount of

1842
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,080
what you decide to contribute.

1843
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,560
>> I see. So we're voting on or we're

1844
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,560
proposing a resolution to approve the

1845
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,480
match.

1846
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:07,359
>> Yes.

1847
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,200
>> Because the council's already approved

1848
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,920
the grant that was $10,000.

1849
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,359
>> not not exactly. They didn't approve it

1850
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,920
was a resolution to support it with

1851
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,960
certain funding levels if conditions

1852
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,799
were met. So, it was a conditional

1853
01:09:19,799 --> 01:09:21,680
support or commit conditional

1854
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,480
commitment. Tonight you would do a

1855
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,880
supplemental for the entire amount of

1856
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,720
the contribution.

1857
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,759
>> I see. Okay. So, we're comfortable that

1858
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:33,160
following the resolution that was made

1859
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,680
last year for the $10,000 commitment

1860
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,759
that we would approve that

1861
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:41,359
payment to the Rosemary Hills PTA.

1862
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,160
>> I mean, I suggest the wording as follows

1863
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,040
that we

1864
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,160
make an appropriation tonight of

1865
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,910
uh

1866
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,120
20,000 Well, let me let me say it in two

1867
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,480
pieces. Appropriation of 10,000

1868
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:01,320
plus another 10,000 upon evidence

1869
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,040
acceptable to our town manager of a

1870
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,200
matching amount of 10,000.

1871
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,640
And that we accept that the PTA

1872
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,600
contribution will count as part of that

1873
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,480
match.

1874
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,680
With what we know tonight, that

1875
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,760
effectively means that we'll be

1876
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,760
appropriating $20,000.

1877
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,640
>> Thank you.

1878
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:20,480
Well said. [clears throat]

1879
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:21,160
>> Okay.

1880
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,150
>> I'll second.

1881
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,440
» All in favor.

1882
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:27,720
>> I.

1883
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,840
>> Thank you again. Maybe if you have time

1884
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,320
when we're finished, we'd love to have

1885
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,400
you come see the space. We would really

1886
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:33,920
appreciate that.

1887
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,720
>> before the beginning of the school year?

1888
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,440
>> It should be the the um maintenance part

1889
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:41,800
is definitely the ordering of some of

1890
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,920
the um

1891
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,640
of the educational materials is sort of

1892
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,600
like dependent, but they'll still be

1893
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,560
able to use it and enjoy it um right

1894
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,040
away in in the fall, which is really

1895
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:55,680
nice.

1896
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,080
>> Right.

1897
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,520
>> Thank you so much.

1898
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,560
>> Okay.

1899
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,200
>> Thank you.

1900
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,520
Do we have any other items for

1901
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,320
discussion this evening?

1902
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,280
>> Uh I think the only other one if I can

1903
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,720
offer one which Rich and join an absent

1904
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,520
conversation about because of dealing

1905
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,080
with traffic but obviously we've all

1906
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,800
seen the not large number of notes in

1907
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,720
the list serve

1908
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,600
regarding the parking policy. And um

1909
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,560
the uh

1910
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,400
I I've I think that the

1911
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,160
what's happened in the past in this and

1912
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:28,880
I've I'm not just speaking about Rich

1913
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,560
has been the most recent liaison to the

1914
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,560
public services committee but I was the

1915
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,320
liaison when we last really took up this

1916
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,920
issue with a deep dive a couple of years

1917
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:36,880
ago.

1918
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,000
And the PSC does really great work but

1919
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inevitably only the people who are

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directly involved in the issue in hand

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end up knowing much about it. So I think

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one of the things that's really starkly

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evident from reading these list serve

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posts is how little people know about

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the policy. Uh I you you would come to

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think that somehow we we we grant

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certain streets a privilege of having

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permitted parking

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uh for the purpose of being able to park

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as close as possible. That's the

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which obviously is not the way the

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policy works

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uh and nor obviously the intent.

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Uh so uh my thought was that we ought to

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put out some kind of

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notice um

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to really in allow people to understand

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not only what our policy is but why it

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we have policy we have and get into some

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of the issues that in fact have been

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grappled with in the past. Um and and um

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and

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one way I was thinking of doing this was

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through a Q&A

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that we could eventually put out as a

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town crier which we know it then be

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picked up on the list serve as at least

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a first effort to on on mass address

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the questions. Uh and to give one

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example that we drilled down on before,

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but is pertinent, uh

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clearly there are residents who feel

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that some number of of residents who

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have parking permits abuse the privilege

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and not only park on the street they

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live, but when they want to go to Trader

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Joe's or somewhere over near Bethesda,

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they park over on the eastern edge of

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the town. Uh and the western edge of the

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town. Um and I sure there is some of

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that. I don't know how much, but

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let's grant that it happens. Um the PSC

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considered that issue very carefully

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with the view that the only way you

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could really solve it would be actually

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to go to kind of zonal parking. And and

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the streets closest to the west edge of

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the town would have their own zone.

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Um but, you know, on reflection, the

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committee felt and the council that I

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was on at the time agreed

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that that's becomes problematic. First

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of all, it just means people who want to

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get close to Bethesda park on the edge

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of whatever zone they're allowed to be

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in. So, the situation moves back from

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46th Street to 45th Street or whatever,

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you know, wherever you put it. And then

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you also get caught up with families

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that live right at the border

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and who may be seeking to park and now

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find that they're parking in the wrong

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zone and are you know, liable for for a

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citation

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because they strayed across the line and

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they're parking in the wrong zone. So,

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at the end, the the committee and

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ultimately the council said, look,

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for all those reasons, leave things the

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way they are, but let's again try some

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moral suasion.

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And we did have some more

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you know, town criers and other messages

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saying, please, essentially, don't abuse

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this. This is still allow you to park

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near your homes conveniently

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and [clears throat] to hold back the

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number of other people who'd be parking

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near your home so you can. Uh but don't

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take this as a license to park, you

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know, on 46th Street. So, anyway, that was what we did and obviously all

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that has been either wasn't fully

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understood, appreciated, or communicated

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well. Could be our fault, but I think

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given the spate of these listserv

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notices, it's worthwhile our making an

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effort to, as I you've often heard me

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say, rerun the commercial and at least

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lay it out and and then obviously there

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could still be more commentary and we

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may have to grapple with it again, but

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at least people should go into the

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discussion with more information than

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thinking that that we set up a permit

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system and arbitrarily

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we and the council make decisions about

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this and that somehow it's a privilege

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to have a permit.

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>> Thanks for the background on that,

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Bernie. It is really

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it's a fraught issue. I remember last

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time I was on the council we talked

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about parking many times, but it it does

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bear repeating. So, thanks

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and thanks for your input on working on

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that FAQ document.

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>> And I'll I'll I'll engage Rich as well.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Claude does pretty good work, Joy. Thank

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you.

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>> [laughter]

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>> I'm sorry.

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Oh, Claude does pretty good work, yeah.

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Whoever Claude is.

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>> Whoever Claude is, indeed.

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All right, if we don't have any other

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issues, we will adjourn this meeting.

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>> Okay.