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» Are we being recorded? All right, it's
our uh what is today? July 14th study

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session on downtown capital improvement
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prioritization. I'll turn it over to
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» Thank you, mayor. And thanks. We do have
a Zoom audience tonight watching us. Um

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we're going to dive in. So, uh why why
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you know, I think this is actually a
really exciting uh conversation because

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it's spurred on by this council and
previous council. Some of these projects

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have been have been on the docket for
many many years. Um, the real momentum

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we have in our downtown and the real
desire to invest in some transformative

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capital improvements that could reshape
um downtown for for generations to come.

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I think what's also really exciting
about all those projects that we've been

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talking about for years is that they
really hit all of council's goals. They

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hit parks and green space. They hit
economic development and they could

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support affordability in terms of
affordable housing. Um so that's the

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awesome part. There's no der of great
ideas and great opportunities in the

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downtown core of Milwaukee. The sort of
reality check part is that resources are

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limited. Um because these are all in
that downtown core. they all potentially

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compete for urban renewal um area
dollars. We're very excited and happy to

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see that the tax increment in the um
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It is growing, but it's a finite pool of
money as well, and it cannot cover every

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single thing we might want to do on the
capital front downtown. We also um have

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a wonderful staff, but we don't have uh
unlimited staff. And and these projects,

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I kind of jokingly call them the
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big and they're some of them are going
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require a lot on the design front, the
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community engagement front and um we're
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apply staff to that. We also have a
finite amount of space. So you do a lot

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of construction in an area, you got to
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to do that. So we have to think about
construction staging and we also have to

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think about construction impact. It's
really um easy to think about how great

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it's going to be when projects are done,
but there's that painful middle. No one

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likes construction. And we've built such
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with um thriving small businesses that
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construction can cause.
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to do and those reality check
constraints, uh it's very important, I

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believe, that we prioritize and we make
sure staff are aware of how you as

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council want us to prioritize these
major projects so that we can deliver

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this transformative change, but in a
sustainable and strategic way.

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Okay. So, what are the projects we're
actually talking about tonight? I'm

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going to see if I can collapse this.
move it.

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I love Okay, it's going to stay there.
Um, the first one we're talking about is

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our main street enhancements project
that is uh highlighted there for you on

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the map in blue. This project is
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plan that's in the adopted budget. Uh,
that plan had design occurring in fiscal

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year 28, construction occurring in
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project is about $7.6 6 million and this
is an integrated project. So it has URA

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funding um but it also has
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storm water and SQC funds because all of
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addition to the streetscapes that we
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two is Milwaukee Bay Park. This is
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design uh slated for 2027 and
construction slated for 2028. again in

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the adopted CIP. We're going to talk a
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project, the total estimated cost if we
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existing trolley trail grant for the
project would be $13.6 million. If we do

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get those, even if we don't um get the
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million.
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» Can you show that again?
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the plans for that part, the 50%, we're
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about a million dollars invested there.
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» The funding that's already allocated in
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URA.
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question was to your comments about the
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» Yes. So, in the agreements that we've
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aware, I'm sure, of the SDC's we're
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asking for. There's also a grant that
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Park for the trolley trail segment. We
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we are building that project, we would
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assigned to us because it's already
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for any other purpose by NCR. So there's
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difference she's saying if we
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don't get that grant and the
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on the plans. I just don't look at trail
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be used for anything else.
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assigned to the city the correct
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feel feel more comfortable about that
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money coming. So that's that's my
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that we saw when this was first design
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if I'm wrong here, Peter. Is it is it
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and just applying that to the raw
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that crayon is going to have to be
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planning figures. Yeah, I we we did have
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say October of 22 where the you know the
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studios or or two and and their GGC
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fine-tuning those estimates and we have
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the construction drawings being at sort
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doing there they were they were
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opportunities to reduce cost based on
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materials and things like that. So at
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numbers and as council Massie said we
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Seattle construction cost index and and
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you said at the end of our budget
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gloom as possible and [clears throat] my
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there a chance that we're going to have
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those numbers so we have built in some
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if we get the plans from and what assign
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construction documents are still a
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related to code that we need to do,
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types of things that have changed over
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recognized those things. So, I think we
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uh it it still is an estimate. So, but
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additional swimming access. It does it
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that community shortage that were but
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with some of our other numbers here but
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we don't get agreement on the IGS
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» I think we shouldn't write off the SDC.
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your deck, but are you going to talk
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enhancements look like? Because I can
close my eyes. I frankly can't do that

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for main street.
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not design, but it really is um
improvement from Washington all the way

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just past city hall.
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compliant as far as the sidewalk goes
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» new water um infrastructure that could
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» electricity. Um
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whole thing.
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the way through.
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watering hanging baskets.
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for the sidewalk. That's
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with with new tree wells, ADA
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» uh you know, we're going to overlay or
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» So there's some beautifification.
That's a really water.

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» Yeah, beautifification and
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this upper side.
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water. The other the other there are
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section of the city has probably some
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weren't using it, but we found it when
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» I even the Romans use masonry stuff.
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» part of the ramen district. the TIFF
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have this positive impact with Milwaukee
Bay Park. Like I'm resp much more

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familiar with it. It's much more Sorry,
I'm much more invested than that. But

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walk me through a good f like what is
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with mainstream enhancements? What is
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a project to invest?
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but I think I think it's more in direct
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plan. Are you I agree with you on the
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improvements or benefit, but that's not
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the water?
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somewhat simply
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the like increasing park space I guess
increasing green space actually

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increased.
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as we move forward and you can say the
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affected as well but obviously we want
in the end it's about increasing access

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dollars
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» I should also say it's not very sexy but
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Oregon means the Jason property owner is
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there is some rideway in downtown that
is bad it's it's there It's wonky. It's

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all this stuff. We and at at my
direction, I'm really appreciative. Our

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public works crew went out and did a lot
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going to have to delay Main Street even
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direction. Um, and that frankly was done
like in as a good faith demonstration to

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our business district that we know we we
don't we don't want to saddle all these

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folks with code compliance issues like
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kind of investment in some ways could be
seen as subsidizing those adjacent

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property owners um and not saddling the
business community with um doing those

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upgrades to improve access um and safety
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agree?
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this is a great idea to kind of level
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the same time, I I I get concerned about
the the business owners having an

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expectation that the city is going to
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» Sure.
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» And so I I you know, I just want us to,
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point, you know, we say, "Okay,
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Is it the property owners that have to

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maintain it or is it the tenants?
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train? Um I think that there is an
assumption on the part of property

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owners when a URRA is put into place
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that tax funding will result in some
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to say excuse me that's not yours.
Um an argument to be said uh that

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there's this is not it's not a perpetual
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know a sunset. Um, the piece I would add
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entries to many of the stores that are
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» And so there continue there continues to
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building owners to align during this
construction to make sure that those are

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compliant. While the city is upgrading
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still upgrade some of the private
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» Sure.
>> I hope that that's a part of the

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dialogue with the business owners.
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h have we engaged with I mean to me it's
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it. The main street enhancements is a
real favor of doing for our local

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business community by improving the
street for them and it has additive

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lovely appeal and benefit there. But as
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community, they've been very insistent
that we should build big park. Yes.

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» Have we proposed these two and
>> so I'm gonna I'm gonna put a I got to

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get through the full breadth of what
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veering into sort of prioritization
conversation with where we got to go.

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But let me think the whole thing. Can I
ask one last main street question then

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as we are having development on our
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Jefferson and Maine.
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their development new sidewalks or
bringing that up to code or yes

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» is it helpful for them to have a like
model main street to build towards or

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are they building towards the standard
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» We have that already work standard. So
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as far as that goes,
>> nutri wells.

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» Yeah. And that solar cells that'll go in
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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» Yeah.
>> It's okay. They're exciting. I know.

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They're exciting. Okay. But just to wrap
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price tag. In terms of money, you've
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million of general fund which is a combo
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bit from um climate and natural
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several grants. We've applied for a big
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think probably get the number wrong.
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we've obviously got the metro um
community choice um grant as well.

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Kellogg. So Kellogg is currently in the
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little bit finger in the wind. The total
estimated cost of the project is 113

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million plus in terms of what the city
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We have 1 million of URRA. This is a I
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because we don't have sewer money. We
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That is something we want.
That's something we want to affirm

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tonight. We do not have wastewater money
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project funded by project partners
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is unaccounted for. So, this is again
kind of my bearer of potential

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harsh financial news is that Kellogg is
such a cool project,

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» but it creates a big green space for us
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» Acres
>> and I think it's logical to not assume

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our parks district will be maintained.
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» Yeah. Um I will say I mean they on the
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for an earmark, right? No,
>> no, no.

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» I was told that when I was in DC, they
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million earmark or 3.5 or something.
>> They haven't they have not

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» really?
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Was it for the or just in general?

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» No, similar is what I was told.

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» Okay. And then these next two, they're
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are not in our CIP. So, the first is the
Harrison and Main lot. Metro owns half

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of that lot. Um, I think kind of maybe a
new piece of information and don't spend

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the lead on this these conversations,
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» they did. You're right. [clears throat]
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» 5 million or 3.5
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» 3.5.
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Harrison and Main lot. Um when our um
DDA with Toho um ended, we did um staff

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to staff explore Metro's potential
interest in that property. Um Joseph,

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you're supposed to interrupt me when I
say things that are wrong, but my

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understanding is that they are not
interested in a land swap. However, they

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are interested in or willing to have
conversations about us buying them out

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of jail capital property, which I
believe is a a change from the past. Um,

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we don't have a hard number on that. Um,
they are working on some appraisal

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figures.
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between 500 to 7.
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sounds like a bargain.
>> Add that to the town. Well, tell me that

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does sound like
you are also on the record. So, I just

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want to take
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» Well, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong that
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uh I don't know. [clears throat]
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what they paid for it when they bought
out the Texico city.

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» I don't I don't
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» I think it's it's it's what the market
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I mean, if you if you figure in the
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and and and
the potential bokei for for that at, you

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know, half a million,
>> like a pretty good deal

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» to control the full lot.
>> There's a lot to be

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» and and you know, we um have only had
very preliminary conversations about a

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vision for that lot. Um, at the time we
had that conversation with Metro, you

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you guys were articulating priorities
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included green space, included still
potential housing development. So, I

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don't want to, um,
represent that we have some clear this

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is what that would be, but we but I
think there is interest there has been

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interest in this council and previous
councils in talking about that as a

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development opportunity. Um similarly,
COO, not currently the CIP. Again, not

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really a capital project. We've always
kind of envisioned that as something

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that we would um advance through public
private partnerships. Um the we we

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control most of that site except for the
corner um which is owned by private

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owner. Um we could explore
acquiring that which would have

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financial.
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that
we would probably be looking at three

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between a visioning process, deciding

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what we want to do, an RFP process, etc.
>> I think that is a very fair. Yeah, maybe

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I think three would be
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» Which property are you talking about?
I I would say that you probably go

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faster with the coho if
>> because yeah and if if housing is still

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the goal in that then yes be faster but
if there's other ideas that's why at

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this point
>> the other thing is coho has its um I

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guess not perfect but it has its
mainstream frontage whereas yeah

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» redone was done to the new standard sort
of to the standards of the south

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only partially not completely done.
>> We have an asphalt section.

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» I'm going to give this
>> We were waiting for that.

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» We were waiting for that because they
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» and pay. Yeah. I respect that we're only
on the first slide, so it might. But the

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ongoing maintenance estimates for
Kellogg and for Milwaukee Park, assuming

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our pros district decides not to
maintenance,

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» what would that look like on a
year-to-year basis if we had to guess?

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» Kellogg is very hard to estimate. I'll
let Peter share a number if he wants,

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but actually next week we're going to be
talking some Chromeberg concepts and I

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think it really ranges and and I would
also say well I think we can expect what

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MCPRD might say. They are still our
parks operator and we should still ask

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them to assume maintenance of that.
Milani Bay Park I think we have a

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clearer sense. I believe MCPRD is
spending about $60,000 on maintenance a

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year. That's with current design. So you
had a splash pad and bathrooms and more

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trees.
>> Yeah. Plus, I mean, we would more than

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likely start off contract contracting
that out. I think the numbers that we

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were looking at was about $1,000 a year
for maintenance for just, you know,

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walking park.
>> Uh, you know, the the space uh in in in

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the Kellogg and Palmet area, the full 13
acres, a lot of that's still sort of

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water space. A lot of that a lot of it
doesn't require like intense

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maintenance, but there's still some
maintenance work that needs needs to

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happen and we're working with the
project team to sort of develop what

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that looks like. But, you know, I would
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probably need 50 to $60,000 a year at
least there. And then when you look at

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Kronberg and if there's potential
amenities associated with the Kellogg

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Dam project that we'll be talking about
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having to take care of that space. We're
probably at least another 100

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probably looking at about $100,000 a
year for the killer space. Uh in terms

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of in terms of maintenance personnel
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» well, especially given what we heard
about the amount of time the underpass

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will be underwater, what it'll take to
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year, every winter
>> and some of that as well. And then, you

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know, that grows because
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looking probably combination of at least
like $200,000

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between the two long-term starting off
and then grow

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» and that's not something we have
budgeted future budget. So that 200k

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would be whatever our

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» general fund and storm water would be
utilized. But I think these estimates

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are sort of
what I would call good steward

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estimates. You know, in other words,
you're trying to do everything right.

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» What I also say is that, you know, we
all deal with the household budget and

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we do we can afford.
>> Sure.

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» You know, and it may not be that high
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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. So that's the the five projects.

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Things when you're when you're thinking
about all these projects that I I think

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would be bouncing around in your mind
are, as I said, they're all great

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projects. They all support um a council
goal, if not multiple council goals. Um

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I think we should think about funding
availability and assignment. So some of

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those I showed you already have budget
in your CIP. Some of them don't. Um some

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of them uh have grant dollars that we
secure or are trying to secure, some of

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them don't. Um alignment with adopted
plans. U some of them are kind of

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preconceptual in Harrison in Maine. Some
of them um are like we mentioned the

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Main Street is been in the CIP for a
while and is in the five-year action

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plan. We're going to ask you tonight
about some appetite for debt financing

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because doing it all will absolutely
require us to to acquire debt. Um impact

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on downturn commerce. I already talked
about this construction the end goal the

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end results great but living through it
sucks. Um community expectations and

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clarity of scope and priorities. Again,
I think you can chart all of those five

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on a spectrum of how solid the design is
versus how um maybe conceptual or still

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engagement we'd have to do to really pin
down a design. And then project controls

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and dependencies. So, some of them are
fully in our control, some of them are

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partly in our control. Um some of them
are in our control, but doing it adds an

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end cost. You guys, we've already
started talking about a lot of these

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things. So, what was in your packet? um
was three scenarios that we are going to

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ask for your thoughts on tonight. Um and
this again is really staff trying to

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strategically look at what could be
realistic.

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There is one scenario where you give us
direction to prioritize the main street

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projects primarily the main street
enhancements um which again is fully

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funded in the CIP. we've got um designs
almost or designs working like we're

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we're we're we're grooving. Uh it
supports economic development. I think

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if we did that, we could also begin coho
and Harrison and Maine planning um

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alongside that work. It's kind of
actually nice that we're doing

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engagement with the downtown
stakeholders to maybe uh find some

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synergies there. Um, this would also
because this really is also

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depprioritizing construction of
Milwaukee Bay Park, it might give us a

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little more time to talk about parks
governance and plan for those O andM

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costs. And as I mentioned, it aligns
with the URA 5-year action plan

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considerations. Um, it's disruptive to
Main Street. It's going to be

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» whenever you do it,
>> whenever you do it, it's going to be

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disruptive to Main Street. Um, you do
have a lot of new businesses opening, so

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it might be disruptive in the very near
term, but yeah. And then I it looks like

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very few bullets, but I don't want to um
undersell how big this bullet is. It

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delays that waterfront redevelopment
that has already been delayed for so

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long and is so desired.
>> Well, okay. And my question about that

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one from this from what you in the
packet

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» is it sounded like you weren't moving
that up from 2029. If you're moving that

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up and starting that next year,
>> I think that's worthy of a conversation.

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If you're not moving it up from 2029,
>> you mean Main Street?

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» Why on earth would we to do it?
>> You mean Main Street?

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» Yeah.
>> I don't think we could move it up.

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» Yeah, we don't. We I mean, we're we the
way that we've programmed those dollars

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and it's the
the the bulk of the three the three

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million and the euro and the other uh
util the other utility work is not

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available until

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» the next budget. Yeah. So,
>> I guess unless you're stealing some of

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the Milwaukee Bay Park URA funds.
>> Well, I I I think

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funds,
>> but I I guess that

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» borrowing. Sorry.
I guess as I was writing as I was

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helping that staff report together the
prioritization was

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on but we're talking about mainstream
keeping it on at the same time not

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pushing keeping it on the same time but
>> but I mean that means we're talking

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about Milwaukee Bay Park in 2031
>> well and that's and I I think that's why

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we're saying that because we would have
to take those dollars

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to from your
>> So let's talk about this this this

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middle scenario. So I think also the
last I think when we went through our p

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our budgeting process mayor we were
optimistic we were going to sign some

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IGA and we were going to have a real
good chunk of speed money and I think we

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are way less optimistic than than we
were. So that's that's what's really

415
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:15,840
forced this question. We can still
deliver Milwaukee Bay Park on a very

416
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:19,760
near-term timeline, but to do so is
going to take reallocation of URA

417
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:23,039
dollars to make that happen. And that
reallocation of URA dollars would be

418
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:27,279
from the main street project, which
would push that up. So that's I think

419
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,440
why
why it was sort of why you don't get the

420
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:37,279
benefit of the main street jumping up
was the big change is the lack of the

421
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:40,559
NCP funding. Um that not coming in. If
that had come in, I think we'd be in a

422
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,159
different situation. We could actually
do the advanced boat maybe without debt

423
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,760
financing. But
>> yeah,

424
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:52,640
» um so the Milwaukee Bay Park, obviously
it makes good on a long-term vision, um

425
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,240
supports multiple goals, sustains
momentum, and I think the faster we

426
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,799
move, the less time you're going to have
to spend on any kind of redesign because

427
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:05,919
that scope and vision is still as fresh
as it can be eight years later. Um, we

428
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:10,399
still have a funding gap to close
though, even with the reassignment of

429
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:16,879
the URA dollars. Um, we've talked about
this contract piece from NCPRD as a as

430
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:23,040
an unknown. I do think we would want to
delay big visioning around and um, Main

431
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:28,639
Street a bit. I think we could maybe do
some, but I think it's um I think it's a

432
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:34,240
little more challenging than if we're
really just focusing on that main street

433
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:39,359
core. Um, we would also, you have a
million dollars for Kellogg in the DRA.

434
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:42,480
I think if you really tell us it's
Milwaukee Bay Park, get Milwaukee Bay

435
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:47,919
Park done, we would advise you
reallocate that. That then provides less

436
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:53,200
flexibility if and when the Kellogg
funding comes through.

437
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:57,920
Um, and it is saying we are prepared to
assume those onm

438
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,240
advancing both. Again, I love all these
projects and I am always up for a

439
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:07,760
challenge. But if we want to do it all
and we want to do it all on the timeline

440
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,440
that we were hoping in this CIP and we
don't get these NCP or DIGA signed,

441
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,920
we're going to have to do some debt
financing from the URA. Um, we would

442
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:21,200
both have to do debt financing and then
you'd also have to

443
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:27,359
to pay for that debt service do less in
the way of URA programs and grants. Um,

444
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:31,920
I think in that scenario, if we're doing
both those projects, Main Street and

445
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:38,800
MVP, I think we have to be honest. COO
and Harrison and Maine are probably put

446
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:42,560
off for 30 years. Um,
again, that less flexibility. We're need

447
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:47,280
every dollar. And so, if Kellogg
suddenly comes up, we're going to be a

448
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:52,839
little bit in a pickle. Uh, and that's a
lot of construction activity to sequence

449
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,839
and manage.

450
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,560
So, what we I will shut up because I
want to hear you guys. We would love to

451
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,560
hear what option you're leading towards.
I know you're put we're putting you in a

452
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:07,280
bit of a tough position here, but um we
want to make sure we are putting the

453
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:13,200
dollars, the staff time, the energy in
the places you'd like us to do that. Um

454
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:18,480
if if the consensus is leaning towards
the advanced both um we'd like to know

455
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:24,720
uh
if we'd like to make sure you understand

456
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:29,920
that debt financing requirement. Um and
then the Kellogg question.

457
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:33,920
So again the current financial
assumptions are that we are not we have

458
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,839
no financial outlay in the CIP for the
sewer location. we have held that $1

459
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,599
million of URA funding and we are
talking depending on how you want to

460
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:47,920
move forward if it's the Milwaukee Bay
Park scenario. We would propose that we

461
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:52,079
reallocate that um
knowing that that puts us maybe in a

462
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:58,000
bigger bind if and when Kellogg funding
comes comes forward. Um

463
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:02,000
I also would love to just make sure we
are still moving forward consistent with

464
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:07,520
your direction on the sewer piece. We
continue to get some pressure on that.

465
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:10,640
But the direction I've given the staff
who have were working great with the

466
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,760
project team and try to be great
partners is the city is not funding the

467
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,880
sewer relocation. The city does not have
the funding set aside to fund the sewer

468
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:22,720
relocation.
So I I need to reaffirm that meeting

469
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,440
tomorrow about the sewer.
>> Is that been bubbling again?

470
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:30,800
» It it it's always simmering and
bubbling.

471
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,599
» Well, we have another come to meeting. I
thought we had a come to God meeting.

472
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:36,400
» So that's I just need to affirm that
that is still there is no change in that

473
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:39,359
direction.
>> No change.

474
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:44,400
» Okay, that one's easy. That's the easy
question of the night.

475
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:47,119
» Well, and that's why they went for an
>> Can you help me understand? There are

476
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,480
two things that I don't really have
clarity on. With the main street

477
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:56,720
improvements, there's $3.3 million URA
funds that we could reallocate to um

478
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,680
Milwaukee Bay Park.
>> Yep. Yep.

479
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:05,040
» What would happen to the other $4.2 2
million in storm water funds. Would that

480
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,079
mean that we're able to do half of a
main street improvement? Would that be

481
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,560
given back rate payers? Would that be
reallocated to other storm water

482
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,400
projects?
>> Well, and that's not all storm water

483
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:20,560
money. So, there's only
storm water. So, those transportation

484
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:27,040
wastewater dollars and SDC dollars, we
would need to reallocate those to grass

485
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:32,800
other projects. Uh, one of the things we
were utilizing the URA for in in this

486
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:37,680
case was also all of the waterwork that
we were going to do downtown because we

487
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:43,440
have some really large water needs for
really elsewhere

488
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:47,920
costs. Uh so that's going to defer that
work all of this work downtown and as

489
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:54,480
you said we we'll have to reallocate
those uh to other projects and perhaps

490
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:59,520
there's a project uh that we have that
we pushed out a little bit further that

491
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:07,000
we can reallocate those into the next
Log for example maybe that one was up

492
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,000
north perhaps

493
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:15,680
» I appreciate you mentioning defos here.
So, I guess I'm just trying to think

494
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:20,000
through this as if we take all the UR
funds out of the main street, are we

495
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:24,160
still able to do half the project? Are
there components that were obligated to

496
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:28,079
do like PAS work and waste or water
>> downtown or we would the whole we would

497
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,520
not touch main street?
>> It would be dispersed elsewhere. No,

498
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,760
» it' be dispersed elsewhere or or remain
in the reserve for a delayed start of

499
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Main Street.
>> Correct. We'd still have to come through

500
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,760
and do the water work at some point,
just so you know, because those are

501
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:46,400
probably lead joints and so all that
needs to be removed by 2037.

502
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,160
» This is part of
>> 37. So

503
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,000
» part of the weighing of of the issues
and the challenge that staff has had too

504
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:58,960
is there's work that has to be done. So
you do water work on Main Street with no

505
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:03,040
improvements or
>> tear the street up

506
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,079
and plus it's like what are you what are
you all doing?

507
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,200
So I don't think we're saying we push
off Main Street forever. We push it off

508
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,720
for
>> No, we probably re the next budget

509
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,160
cycle, right? We would reallocate when
those like I might change when Logas and

510
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:24,160
when
>> Well, there's a cascading effect.

511
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:28,079
» Also, it's really hard to scale these
projects geographically when you're

512
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,920
dealing with contractors that have given
you bids [clears throat] on an entire

513
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:38,079
stretch. there's like an economy of
scale that you know if you if you bring

514
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:43,839
a whole team in like um the best example
would maybe be like when new buildings

515
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,680
are constructed it's a buttload of money
to bring a crane in.

516
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,920
» Yeah.
>> You're not going to want to do that

517
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,960
twice.
>> So you need to be able to make sure that

518
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:58,480
the project in its fruition takes place
as it's con as it's designed.

519
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:03,440
» Yeah. I I I would the one thing I would
add to also because you know we did when

520
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,920
we if you put the CP together we had a
discussion this past past year

521
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:12,880
developing the budget and developing the
CIP we used a a prioritization matrix

522
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:21,359
and when you actually look at the main
street project it scores higher than

523
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:24,880
uh and the reason why that is because of
the waiting related to regulatory

524
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,440
requirements there's some ADA
accessibility things that we need take

525
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:35,040
care of downtown and also sort of a
fiscal stewardship to the public. We

526
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:40,319
have some really old assets that that at
the end of their money cycle that we

527
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:45,280
replace. So like water stewardship
things like that. So it scores higher in

528
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:50,400
that respect
but this is helpful. I feel like I

529
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,200
understand what's better. The one
outstanding question I asked us with Bay

530
00:41:52,560 --> 00:42:02,000
Park, I don't understand how that gets
us to where we need to go for 3.6 or

531
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:09,040
12.2. I'm seeing that we have in our CIP
right now, we have $2.6 million. We add

532
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:13,440
3.3 to that plus one. We're at 4.3 plus
that 2.6.

533
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
» We've applied for about $4 million of
grants.

534
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:19,440
» Okay.
>> So, we continue to apply for grants. We

535
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:25,520
would do private fundraising. Um, and we
would fight for our SDC's.

536
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:30,960
» Yeah, I was just think
>> Yeah. I mean, we we we got 1.75 million

537
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:33,839
in metro grant that was just awarded in
the last month, but we've got

538
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:38,640
» I don't think we told you that we got
the 1.75 metro capital. I mean, Adam

539
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:45,040
kind of hints at that, but
>> and then we have the we've applied for

540
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:51,440
the LGP grant federal grant
>> and we're applying for the federal grant

541
00:42:46,720 --> 00:43:00,240
in in the fall WCF water conservation
fund grant. So, but that 13.6 six. That

542
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:06,560
number there represents uh the cost of
if if we don't get the contracts

543
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:12,240
assigned and we have to redesign the
the the project uh and we don't get the

544
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:16,640
Charlie signed. So that's like worst
case the worst case number of what we

545
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:22,400
think we would have to come up with. Uh
and then the gap is dependent upon those

546
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:28,160
other grant resources. Are we going to
get them or not get them? Right? So

547
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:34,720
» I have a question for Rebecca.
As the business development,

548
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:41,040
which project do you think
juices business development more,

549
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:44,015
Milwaukee Bay Park or the Main Street?
>> Robert, [laughter]

550
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,720
would you like me to repeat the
question?

551
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,760
» No, I'd like you to rephrase the
question.

552
00:43:51,040 --> 00:44:01,359
» It is. It's very hard to compare these
two projects in the scope of what fuels

553
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,599
economic development because the main
street enhancements are really a

554
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:12,160
response to deferred.
And so it's the main street enhancements

555
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:17,920
are a necessity so that when people are
coming here they are not tripping and

556
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,280
you know falling and hurting themselves.
>> But they're already here

557
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:28,079
» right? But that that would assume that
they're already here. Um we I would I

558
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:34,160
would counter that by saying they're
trickling in. There's there more and

559
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:40,960
more and more people coming and visiting
our economic hubs including downtown. Um

560
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:48,480
I think that there's a certain amount
that of that that will just grow

561
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:51,440
regardless of what we do. Um I think
it's really difficult. Well, these are

562
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,920
like apples and oranges that mainstream
enhancement in the Milwaukee Bay Park

563
00:44:53,359 --> 00:45:02,880
because Milwaukee Bay Park if developed
of course is like a huge boom to our

564
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:10,240
economic development that supports the
businesses. It supports our

565
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:16,079
our city as a destination. It supports
um [sighs] a huge amount of very

566
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:21,839
accessible green space, even more
accessible um than it has been. So,

567
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,920
um,
but the the problem is that we would

568
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:30,720
still be
dealing with aging and failing

569
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:36,319
infrastructure.
So,

570
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:41,280
so when you ask me what spurs economic
development, Milwaukee Park, because

571
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,520
infrastructure maintenance doesn't spur
economic development unless you're

572
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:53,760
talking about the aesthetics of, you
know, the street tree wells all matching

573
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:58,960
or street trees staying relatively above
grade.

574
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:04,079
» New firebox, new new venture, all of
that.

575
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:12,319
that they contribute to a sense of place
and that that definitely in in um it in

576
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:19,440
improves people's experience when
they're here, but the infrastructure

577
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:23,240
itself I don't think brings people in as
much as a

578
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,960
» I enough

579
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:36,960
But I do think I on the on the counter
to last they'll lose businesses if

580
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,319
infrastructures are the services that
they Right.

581
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:47,119
» Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give an example.
Our our business I'm not personally

582
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:53,119
responsible for the ent the grade of the
entrance to our main shop, but it's not

583
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:58,240
ADA accessible and we hear complaints
about it all the time. the property

584
00:46:55,839 --> 00:47:03,599
owner is probably not going to fix that
in the immediate future. Um maybe not in

585
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:10,560
alignment with the time frame of Main
Street enhancements. I don't know. But

586
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:14,800
if we continue to get complaints about
that accessibility issue and it starts

587
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,359
to impact our business, we might look
for a different location.

588
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:29,119
It's just I mean there are like
there the aging infrastructure in terms

589
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:34,480
of buildings and their lack of of being
retrofit to meet the needs of today's

590
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:39,839
communities. That's that should be a
concern that um that should be

591
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:44,640
highlighted.
>> We might be missing businesses because

592
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:50,720
of that. Sure.
But that's not the city's project so

593
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:55,119
much as what the private
group should do.

594
00:47:53,040 --> 00:48:01,200
» The
what I'm hearing

595
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:05,920
I'll just say I'm leaning towards the
prioritizing Milwaukee Bay. My heartburn

596
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:10,240
or like challenge here is I worry that
we're signing up for something that we

597
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:15,680
can't afford. like it's like choosing
between to me Milwaukee is clearly the

598
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,800
better option but we have $6 million
more or less in URA that we would be

599
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:24,240
able to give to that one million in
general fund. Who knows what happens to

600
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:28,960
our general fund going forward. Um we
are finding an additional

601
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:33,200
5 million like I I didn't quite I'll be
honest I I didn't quite pick up mind all

602
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:38,000
the grants you laid out but an
additional $7 million in grants to

603
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,680
protect us there
>> like I just

604
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:46,000
» I'm not sure where the six million in
it. We don't have that much.

605
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,720
» The six million is take our existing
contribution, take all the money from

606
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:56,720
Main Street and Kellogg, it totals to
about 6 million. It's 5.5,

607
00:48:53,599 --> 00:49:00,640
» but then you have about $1 million in
general fund that we've given it, which

608
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,119
who [clears throat] knows what happens.
>> Most that's met local share. So, it's

609
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:10,880
safe.
>> It's met local share.

610
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:15,920
Um what's Yeah. So then is it grants and
then what do we know what the gap is

611
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:23,680
still the fundraising gap? Well, I I
think you know if we're able to cover

612
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,280
the you know the was it the 4.3 4.5
million from

613
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:32,079
» NC
>> NC par uh and and we're getting the

614
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:36,880
trolley trail the trolley trail grant
>> and we're utilizing the we're utilizing

615
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:41,440
the if we're able to cover that with the
dollars we're and we get the grants that

616
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:48,160
we're sending for we're in good shape
right if we don't get those other grants

617
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:55,200
and we have that that gap.
>> So basically is is Milwaukee Bay Park

618
00:49:52,400 --> 00:50:02,160
does the development of the park hinge
on any money from NCRD.

619
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:05,280
» Well, they're trying to
if we prior because it still feels like

620
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,800
there's a huge gap.
>> Like I I would want to prioritize

621
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Milwaukee Bay Park, but there's a lot of
unknown still that we don't know about.

622
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,160
We don't know how much the operation and
maintenance is going to be yearly. It's

623
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,480
not just a oneshot
$13 million payment and we're done.

624
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:25,119
There's a lot of other factors as you
can see listed there that we really have

625
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:29,920
to consider. Um,
>> so we're looking at

626
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,000
» Sorry, I'm pulling up Adam's
spreadsheets.

627
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,599
» I don't feel comfortable making that
decision without knowing a little bit

628
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:40,160
more about finances.
>> So, I think they said I think Peter said

629
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:45,240
it was 100 his estimate was 100,000 a
year, right? of them,000.

630
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,520
» So,

631
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:55,680
and Peter, I hope I'm looking at the
right spreadsheet for

632
00:50:52,079 --> 00:51:02,079
» plan B. Um, so the city's contribution
would be $7.6 million, which is a

633
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:07,839
combination of metro local share, city
general fund, 250k, which we already

634
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:12,559
have in the budget, um the 1.65 65 of
urban renewal already in the budget and

635
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,240
an additional 4.9 that he right now has
financed bond or raise. I think we can

636
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:23,680
cover most of that through reassignment
the UR reassignment. We this is assuming

637
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:30,480
we get the 658 trolley trail from NCPRD.
Um and then we have applied or will be

638
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:36,960
applying for 4.62 million of grants and
we right now have we estimate 93,000 in

639
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:40,160
combined donations. So that funds the
project.

640
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:42,800
» So
four million then we got the claw back

641
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,720
from the
>> No, no, because we would be reassigning

642
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,559
that from other URA.
>> I was going to say though I mean we we

643
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,839
would have the assurance that we have
the URRA money and so that would be our

644
00:51:53,599 --> 00:52:01,920
budget to start but we could still
parallel track be working on getting our

645
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:07,520
SDC's back whatever happens in in the
NCPD dialogue in the next year. Um, you

646
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:10,480
know, I Yeah, we're not going to give up
those SEC's without a fine.

647
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,720
» No, I know. That's what I'm saying.
There's there's still a lot up in the

648
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:18,160
air. Doesn't it doesn't
reallocate? If they come in, we

649
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,200
reallocate that.
>> The four you were describing is not

650
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,000
connected to NCPRD. It is money that
could be supplanted by NCPD, but it's

651
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,359
not connected. So, we don't have to
worry about that.

652
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,720
» Exactly.
>> Yeah. That's what we would have thought

653
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:34,720
of saying,
>> right? And they're saying that the city

654
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,400
when you say city significant park cost
that's just building park.

655
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,240
» Yeah. Building and maintaining it.
>> Yeah.

656
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,720
» What how governance question is left
unanswered. So that's the thing. I don't

657
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,319
I think just looking at obviously you
want to prioritize the law. I just don't

658
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,760
know if it's that simple of an answer
just saying yeah go ahead do it because

659
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:58,559
there's so many other variables.
>> None of this is simple. Well, I mean, if

660
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:02,160
you look at it, it's fame is the main
street because it's already first of

661
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,520
all, it's been sitting for five years or
it was actually was part of the five

662
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,440
company, right? [clears throat] So, we
already have the that's already kind of

663
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,960
been and it's more than it's more about
it's accessibility too,

664
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:18,319
» but with the Milwaukee Bay Park, you
still have a lot more questions left.

665
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:23,680
» Even if we started, when do you think
shovels would be better if we did

666
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:28,559
like based on what we have? But don't
don't forget if we get SDC if we get

667
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:32,319
» I think if we if you gave us if you gave
us clear direction tonight it's build

668
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:36,559
Milwaukee Bay Park as fast as possible I
think we could get it done in calendar

669
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:43,440
year 28 FY 29
>> we're we're probably getting it um in 21

670
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,680
» with with what we have now we can build
it by 2020.

671
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,839
» Yeah.
>> We don't need any money from NCPD or

672
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,920
anything else. This is what I'm saying
>> for the trolley trail.

673
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,960
» That's what I'm saying. like with what
we have in our hand right now.

674
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:58,319
[clears throat] I when I go buy
something, I'll buy it based on what I

675
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,960
get. I buy it with what I have in my
hand.

676
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,880
» So, in our hand right now on deck, we
can build this.

677
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:09,520
» Well, no, because there's some grants.
>> Yeah. I think and that's where there's

678
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:14,480
this little gap. There's about $2.7
million of grants that we don't have

679
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:20,480
confirmation that we that they've been
award that we would have to make up with

680
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:23,599
other reallocation some additional
reallocation.

681
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,400
» But these are the same grants that NCPRT
had.

682
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,040
» Yeah, we're saying a lot of numbers out
loud. I thought I heard $4.6 million

683
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,400
grants, but now I'm hearing we have 2
million already and an additional 2.7

684
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:39,839
outstanding.
>> Exactly. So, it's it's it's 4.6 6 if we

685
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:44,400
get the state then federal and then we
already know the federal

686
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,800
» but we've applied for the state we'll be
applying for the federal they were

687
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:50,559
already awarded
>> the metro local share is not being

688
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:52,960
double counted as general fund and grant
it's two

689
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:55,760
» no two separate this is metro nature
neighbors

690
00:54:54,240 --> 00:55:02,559
» I'm going to bring up an issue that's
not

691
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:06,720
number related and uh I I think that
that we went to the community and said

692
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:11,200
you know what we've been talking about
all all the time for the past few years

693
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,880
since we walked in New Park. We're just
going to set that aside. Maybe replace

694
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,800
some sewers on Main Street.
>> Yeah, that's not going [laughter]

695
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:24,720
» that's not going over well.
>> Yeah, that's reality, right? But reality

696
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:28,240
is also money. The numbers understand
you right. I just asked you the $100,000

697
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,040
maintenance. Where's that going to come
from? You said, you know, I don't know.

698
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:37,280
Do you think do you not think that I
mean it is your job but I mean it is

699
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:40,000
good um right I think I think people
would want to be would would want to

700
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:43,280
know that and if we got to take debt out
for some of this stuff I think that

701
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,040
would change some people
>> so it's not as easy as saying you know

702
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,040
what we've been saying that for over a
decade

703
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:53,520
» and that's the reality check
conversation I'm trying to have with you

704
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,720
as your city manager is I don't think we
I think we've been operating a little

705
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:01,440
bit and we thought we might get these
agreement that would have changed the

706
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:07,119
the landscape But with where right now I
feel comfortable

707
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:10,160
advancing option A or option B. Option C
scares me. Yeah.

708
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:13,520
» But I serve a direction.
>> But you're comfortable with option B.

709
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:16,319
» I am comfortable with option B. Doesn't
mean that that that I don't think

710
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,880
there's still questions I'm going to be
bringing towards you about how we fund

711
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,599
Park Zone M and what that means in terms
of governance of the park district.

712
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,440
» I think that's a pretty big question.
Well, we're going to have that

713
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,040
conversation that
>> no matter what

714
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,720
» we're going to be having
>> because because I it's kind of what I

715
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:35,520
daylighted at the last regular session
too, Adam, that this is the challenge of

716
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:39,359
having a parks and green space when we
don't have our own parks department. So,

717
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,480
it there's a lot of success stories
here. You guys have helped you in the

718
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:47,520
community have helped secure seven
nature and neighborhoods community

719
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,400
choice projects. My fear, that's great,
you guys. And you said last week, let's

720
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,319
go accept all of those. We want to do
all these projects. They're awesome. All

721
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:58,079
of those will come with an on and an
operations and maintenance for a day

722
00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:01,599
because I truly do not operate on
security. We'll continue maintaining

723
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,599
those parts. So we have to ask this
question

724
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,640
about it's not just about Milwaukee
parks. Okay. So if that's 100 grand,

725
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:12,960
what's those other projects?
>> We're working on we're working on those

726
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,200
those
>> you guys see the trajectory,

727
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,599
» right? It's headed towards our own parks
district and that's a much larger and

728
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:25,359
expensive conversation to have
>> then because what do we do if we're

729
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,440
going to take on all these projects?
Where is that going to?

730
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:34,000
» So we just and I know I'm I'm pushing
you guys in uncomfortable ways, but

731
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:40,640
tonight we're talking downtown CIP. We
are going to talk on August 18th about

732
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:43,599
parks on that's how I'm gonna call I'm
not gonna call parks. We're gonna talk

733
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:48,160
about parks operations maintenance.
>> We should have that conversation.

734
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:52,160
» I hear you. But I also feel here's why
why I put this on the agenda is I feel a

735
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:55,440
little bit like I'm talking out of two
sides of my mouth. We're putting in

736
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:59,520
grants for Milwaukee Bay Park because we
have been beating a drum. It's Milwaukee

737
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Bay Park. It's Milwaukee Bay Park.
It's it's stressful to have $2 million

738
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:09,680
in grants coming from Metro if actually
we're going it I need to check in

739
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:16,079
because if you guys said no it's no long
you know unfortunately things went bust

740
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:19,920
in this IDA negotiation so we've changed
I need to know that sooner rather than

741
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:24,720
later because it changes where I put
staff resources and it changes where we

742
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,960
put capital with funders.
So, I know I'm I know I'm asking a lot

743
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:33,359
of you and I can't give you the full
crystal ball, but I I I'm coming

744
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:36,359
honestly to say it can't all be a
priority

745
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:46,680
» and Peter,
if we don't prioritize the main street

746
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:46,680
projects, what fails first?

747
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:53,680
» Well, I mean, I I think you we already
have some things that are starting to

748
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:58,400
fail, like our sidewalks, right? You see
those? We've gone out there and and done

749
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:04,240
some maintenance on those. Uh, you know,
we have some old water bes we may we may

750
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:09,680
we haven't had a lot of water breaks
downtown, but we may start to place them

751
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:15,119
and we'll have to do repairs. Um, you
know that those water mansions are there

752
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:22,079
some of the oldest water in the city.
Uh, they're almost 100 years old. Uh, so

753
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,839
that would be the the place that I think
of right now. the P there's some paint

754
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,559
failure that that occurs.
>> Are they generally in the street or

755
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:33,920
under the sidewalks? The streets under
the water.

756
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:41,359
» But I I think those are the things that
we would see that we see problems with.

757
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:45,440
» We have some storm water that is on our
main lot. Um that'll have to be that

758
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,000
that's part of this project is to move
it into the street into the rightway. So

759
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:56,520
you could do something on that property
along with storm water along the whole

760
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,520
stretch to be providing

761
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:04,319
or that
it's being done in parts right we're

762
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:08,480
pieced together. Um the tree
infrastructure really I mean that's part

763
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,839
of the reason why this has also come to
us is because we've said no they're not

764
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:17,520
taking out trees and now we're like wait
there's we don't have the proper tree

765
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:22,079
wells and trees in our downtown to
support that infrastructure. So maybe

766
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:28,319
that
>> and if and if business association

767
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:31,319
partners want to do things like light up
downtown

768
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:40,400
we've gotten lots of
>> requests and flower basket things like

769
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:47,079
that right to put along this
>> I mean a lot of those things come with

770
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,079
the infrastructure of like benches

771
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:56,160
» bike racks Councelor
Koserati, there are two things I share

772
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:59,599
your like, okay, how do we make this
pencil out? And I think [clears throat]

773
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:02,720
it is comforting, Emma, that you say you
feel like we could deliver an

774
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,000
opportunity to prioritize Milwaukee Bay
Park in this option we chose. There are

775
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,559
two things that I think of that help me
feel better about choosing that. The

776
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:14,000
first is um [clears throat] you
mentioned like there's upward

777
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:17,440
trajectory. I think if we choose option
B or frankly option A for that matter,

778
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,359
we're doing compressor valve that is
hard to do. you were saying we're not

779
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:24,240
going to do something
>> any trajectory towards us eventually

780
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:30,640
having our own parts which you know is a
very expensive this I believe talk about

781
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:36,000
» this I think is true and we're
continuing to push

782
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:42,000
more costs into our general fund deficit
that we are going to base in next budget

783
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:48,400
which is like it is nebulous money but
it is deeply concerning to me that we

784
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:52,640
just keep piling money into that hole
The the other number that I think makes

785
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,079
me feel better about option B, the mayor
was kind of alluding to this was the

786
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:02,400
delta in time frame of delaying these
two projects. The delta between doing

787
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:07,280
Main Street in 2029
construction versus 2020 2032

788
01:02:04,372 --> 01:02:12,720
[clears throat] construction is 3 years
versus the delta of doing Milwaukee Bay

789
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:17,680
Park in 2029 versus sometime in the
future is much longer and it makes me

790
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:23,599
feel more comfortable. The delay that
we're seeing to me feels more manageable

791
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:30,319
and much be an option. But I do still to
your point this O and M general fund

792
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:34,160
toll like what scares me about option B
is not committing to Milwaukee big park

793
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,040
is the how big of a deficit are we going
to face next year

794
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:41,920
» and I and I should just point out that
that O and M class which scares me too

795
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:46,640
would have been the case if we signed on
IDAS if NCPAS

796
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:50,000
but when you guys authorized me to sign
that we were already saying we we were

797
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:52,880
prepared to absorb
>> right we didn't have to absorb the

798
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,520
entire cost.
>> Exactly.

799
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,200
» That was the trade-off. At least we're
getting three million

800
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:05,288
» in terms of construction cost.
>> So, it actually veins out. This doesn't

801
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,920
even This is 13 million amps.
[clears throat]

802
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,720
» Right.
>> I I I would say though what we're we're

803
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,319
still it's just we're reallocating
capital dollars and it's not operational

804
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:19,520
dollars. So, we're looking at dollars
that were done with these other capital

805
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:25,520
that we going to spend. So in this case,
main is it main street versus

806
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:32,640
reallocating those dollars to Milwaukee
Park. I I I I agree on that future

807
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:35,839
trajectory that I know is there
what that looks like. Yeah.

808
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:41,200
» Like what are those what are those
long-term possible as you know Emma

809
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:48,480
mentioned that IGAS that we drafted? We
were we were basically agreed to take on

810
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:54,720
that cost of the walk and we had we were
starting to do some of that program

811
01:03:51,119 --> 01:04:01,599
» and I and I I I don't have all like we
have to have this parks conversation

812
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:04,720
option A be yours. It's got it's coming.
You know that because we're following

813
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,400
the the
>> obviously I just wish they had more.

814
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:11,680
» I hear I've been knowing how much
Milwaukee pays Milwaukee base is going

815
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:15,760
to cost. I I don't know what everything
else is going to cost. And the problem

816
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,880
that I'm having is I'm trying to look
five years ahead, right? Because I don't

817
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:23,280
want to put the city in the same
position NCPRD is in right now

818
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:25,359
» or put future council in position in
there because we have so many other

819
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,079
budget issues.
>> Yeah.

820
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:31,920
» That we're looking at. So my thing is
this, eventually we say, "Oh, sure. We

821
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:34,319
have some funding to do some on."
>> Yeah.

822
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,039
» Well, that funding eventually is going
to get more. Is it going to run out and

823
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,960
not be enough?
>> Yeah.

824
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,359
» At some point, we're going to be back
here asking ourselves the question, how

825
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:46,960
do we pay for it? Now,
>> there's going to be two options.

826
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:50,079
» Our own parks district or a tax
increase. Either way, you're going to

827
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:56,240
get a tax increase or a bond or some
sort of increase. That's what I'm that's

828
01:04:52,240 --> 01:05:00,160
where I'm seeing this going is
it's going to keep going up until we get

829
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:03,680
to that point because at some point the
cost is going to get more. We all know

830
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:07,039
that. We're not we're not oblivious to
that.

831
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,559
» So then what?
So I that's the thing I don't want to

832
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,160
make it like I I hate to make a decision
based on right now

833
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,039
» and based on public f I'm pissed too
about

834
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,680
» but that doesn't mean I'm pissed enough
to make a decision that's potentially

835
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,440
going to put us in a financial bind
that's going to hurt us later on down

836
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:25,200
» sure
>> because the goal is also to not make our

837
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:30,079
city more expensive
>> right is that part is that goal

838
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,160
» so that should be considered and that's
the thing it's hard to make a decision

839
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,720
when I don't even have a ballpark of
what that whole picture is going to be

840
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,680
Sure.
>> And [clears throat]

841
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:44,319
I hate to pile on the doom and gloom
because I'd like to but I'm gonna I'm

842
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:49,119
gonna pile on if we are trying to solve
$6.7 million budget in the first year of

843
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:54,000
the benium. Add on to that a hundred
million or $100,000. Add on to that

844
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:58,319
whatever other ongoing general fund
obligations we commit to. It feels like

845
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,319
the presumption is we have to go out for
a property tax increase which I do not

846
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:05,039
like operating as if we have to go to
voters asking for them to raise taxes. I

847
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:10,880
want to find
>> difference is how high

848
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:16,160
» and it is yes and I have no sense of
this deficit that we have how high we

849
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:19,520
would have to ask to go like there is so
much unknown there that makes me deeply

850
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:25,440
uncomfortable and it feels
>> I so so there's an option D which is

851
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:30,720
nothing but I think I need to know I
think the staff need to know like

852
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:34,559
» we we can't operate under move
everything forward

853
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:38,720
» so you're getting a little bit of the
wake up call where we've all been

854
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:42,960
sitting with. I completely deeply
respect and really appreciate as your

855
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:46,400
administrator that you guys care about
the budget and you care about balancing

856
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:51,280
it and you care about all that.
>> It's it's a little chicken and egg. Like

857
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:55,599
it's hard for us to get a ton of
financial clarity until we know your

858
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:59,280
priorities, but I understand it's hard
for you to name the priorities until we

859
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,599
provide some financial clarity. So,
we're trying to give you as much as we

860
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,839
can when we can, but I do think it's
helpful to I mean, we have been very

861
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:13,680
consistent on this Milwaukee Bay Park.
That is what we are trying to affirm.

862
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:18,720
And we we can't it's it is you have like
I'm giving you the I think A or B or C

863
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:24,079
option B and do nothing are all
justifiable defensible paths that I will

864
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:27,920
back you up to the hilt on, but I we
need some direction.

865
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:34,960
» Well, let me uh let me throw in
some already money situation in that you

866
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:38,880
know I've heard you know about parks and
so you know that gets into the whole you

867
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:42,480
know the whole governance thing which is
I really don't want to go too far in

868
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:47,520
that because I think this you know black
hole talk about but you know I think

869
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:51,839
that when we talk about taking on all
these these

870
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:58,480
responsibilities
still meet in the district you know you

871
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:03,119
know our 54 cents you know levy is of
the parks district. And so we don't have

872
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,359
we don't have a lot of control there.
You know, it's going in there and then

873
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:10,720
they're saying, "Well, we're not going
to maintain this." So to me, in many

874
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:14,799
respects, that's the worst possible
situation to continue on. But that's

875
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,120
kind of the road we're on right now is
that, you know, we're taking on O&M

876
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:27,120
responsibilities without being able to
tap that 54 cents. you know uh at least

877
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:34,640
if you go the government's route at some
point at least you can tap into that

878
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:38,080
» without the we could do I'm not saying
this what are we maintaining right now

879
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:42,159
what are we maintaining on our own right
now what parks are we maintain our own

880
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:50,239
what maintenance are we
>> well we do storm water storm water

881
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:54,400
» in Milwaukee Bay but we also do what
little gets done I guess outro island

882
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:59,199
right
>> maybe more is done there

883
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:04,159
» we take care of our infrastructure
which is expensive and you know we don't

884
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:09,040
get obviously we don't get utility fees
from Milwaukee Bay Park to maintain the

885
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:15,279
utility infrastructure out at Memphis
Park or to use our sewer system from the

886
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:23,839
aquatic center so
>> so I will say um

887
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:30,960
you know six months ago I was like let's
you know we were in negotiation let's

888
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:35,679
get things to J's side um and you know
the governance question and the future

889
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:40,560
of the parks district you know will come
I think the things have piled up over

890
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:45,359
the last six months with the county
starting to talk about a levy the county

891
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:49,679
starting to talk about um all of that
and in the last two meetings for I know

892
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:56,719
most of you watched them but for those
who didn't watch in the last the June

893
01:09:53,040 --> 01:10:01,873
24th board meeting and the DAC meeting
last week a lot of people seem to want

894
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:07,360
us to leave.
[laughter]

895
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:12,719
Um, so, um, I do think that conversation
about the future, I mean, and frankly,

896
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:16,960
the county commissioners
could

897
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:21,360
short circuit all of it by just deciding
to go out for a new structure, right, to

898
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:26,239
reform the district. They would make
that would make us have to opt in or

899
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:30,320
out. That would make the litigation kind
of irrelevant. That would, you know,

900
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:34,719
that would change the thinking in a
fairly short order. Um, are they

901
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:39,120
thinking of doing that? I I have no
idea. Um, they focused on a levy because

902
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:44,080
that was the easy thing, easiest thing
to do, but then they decided, you know,

903
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:50,080
they're polling to a levy shouldn't go
this year. All of that to say, I mean, I

904
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:55,120
hear what you're saying about lack of
clarity and lack of, you know, what

905
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:58,640
we're getting into. But that's true
either way.

906
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:05,040
That's true. You know, whether we
prioritize Milwaukee enough or not. And

907
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:10,320
to the points that councelor Massie made
um about Yeah. What what does the public

908
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:15,120
say when we say when we decide to put
walking bay park behind street

909
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:20,960
improvements on main street?
Yeah.

910
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:28,400
Yeah. I I can't see saying that. And and
again I think we start the convers I

911
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:33,600
mean you know we start the conversation
about how we get our STCs. we file a

912
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:40,000
petition or whatever for dedication of
SDC's to this regional asset within the

913
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:47,199
occupant park. We figure out the process
for trying to get those independent of

914
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:50,080
the IGA if the are going to take that
differently.

915
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:55,520
» Well,
I I think the I think the meeting was

916
01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:01,920
clarifying. I think there may be a
slightly different playing field just

917
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:06,080
yeah I I think the DAP meeting on August
12th will be very interesting. We

918
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:10,080
strategically put our conversation about
funding and governance on the 18th of

919
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:15,199
August so we can kind of see where that
comes from. we're doing some financial

920
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:21,440
analysis um that keeps the prism of
affordability and that people sense but

921
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:25,840
um it
to where what councelor Masky was saying

922
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:30,840
it is hard for me right now to see the
financial upside of the unit

923
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:38,640
just with the direction they seem to be
going

924
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:45,440
and the capital improvements you all
want to see. Yes, of unlocking B, but

925
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:52,360
other parks. I don't see a future that
we aren't assuming we're O and M without

926
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:52,360
the revenue if we stay.

927
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,560
Okay, I'm I'm going to kind of looking
at time and I'm gonna I I think Yes,

928
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:05,760
Joseph.
>> Can I

929
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:10,960
think maybe it's clarified, maybe it's
not. Um,

930
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:15,600
I think the problem that we're trying to
get with prioritization is with every

931
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:21,440
project, all these projects to a certain
extent, we're starting to like put

932
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:26,400
assigned dollars, no matter how low or
like we're putting portions of our

933
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:31,520
budget towards those things. And so one
project is is staying static for a while

934
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:37,440
and and also holding those dollars
tapped while maybe another project is a

935
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:40,560
little bit more has more wheels as
energy to actually get done. So you have

936
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:45,199
we start spreading out these dollars and
we have a bunch of projects that are

937
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:48,320
kind of just stasis. So I think what
we're trying to do right now is that's

938
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:52,640
how that's not how we've been operating
because we've been putting a little bit

939
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:56,960
of resources towards almost everything
and it's kind of locking us up because

940
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:01,440
we're not going you know what there's
five projects let's move four into this

941
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:04,480
one and actually get it done. So I think
that's what we're trying to look at. I

942
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,159
know we're going to get kind of bogged
down with a lot of the numbers because

943
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:13,120
again these numbers are are they're not
good and I just got comped for I just

944
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:18,320
got comped for Harrison and May and I'm
off. So sorry it's going to be between

945
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,719
probably 800 to
that would be

946
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,199
» why you take that other house coming
together

947
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:28,880
» exactly
>> today

948
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:31,600
the list of sales so
that's so

949
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:35,840
» I thought that was smarts come from
metro

950
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:41,199
» no they do not this is this is our
um anyway so I I add that to the mix for

951
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:44,480
why we're why we're trying to prioritize
and get some direction because these

952
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:48,800
things do you
>> think deliver really cool stuff but we

953
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,400
want to get it done and we I think that
was a really well so I mean one way to

954
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,679
think about the question still was a
Joseph question but if we're not just

955
01:14:54,400 --> 01:15:01,360
don't think about the money for a minute
like how would you prioritize context I

956
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:09,840
know but I just I think that that that
>> I will tell you it does not give me

957
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:12,080
heartburn to put Harris and remain off
not give me heartburn to do that

958
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,960
» right
>> um And I liked the point that Joseph

959
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:22,560
made earlier that
um COO could still go

960
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,679
because we prioritized it as housing. If
somebody came in and wanted to do

961
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:30,960
housing, pick that up
>> and you know, so I like that, you know,

962
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:35,040
I think that that's that's com there's
some comfort in that. Um, but between

963
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,040
the two apartment buildings going up
now, the, you know, complaints we're

964
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:44,239
already hearing about parking and
everything else, I have no hearts over

965
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:49,280
leaving Harrison and Maine to be
discussed in three years.

966
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,702
» Let's start there. I have differences of
opinion. [laughter]

967
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:59,120
» I would agree. I think auction be um is
passively built along the park. I think

968
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:05,120
we have the ability to do that. The two
things that I will say again surplus

969
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:08,560
things. We canled our contract with co
on the assumption at least that I have

970
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:14,800
that we were going to quickly look for a
new RFP start that process again and we

971
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:20,000
have not done that yet and that at the
very least doing what we can to engage

972
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:24,400
partners to me seems like at least that
was my understanding of what we do. I

973
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:28,080
wish at this point that we kept the
offer frankly because it seems like

974
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:33,679
we're not be able to do that but I
might. The second thing is council

975
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:39,760
body's claim. I'm deeply worried about
our the court bill that we're running up

976
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:46,800
on our general fund starting
and I have no sense how we build that

977
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:50,640
bold if it is a property tax increase.
I'm curious about when compression kicks

978
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:55,600
in if we're near that, especially with
all the other fun measures that are the

979
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:59,440
ballot. I'm curious about if the funds
are able to cover this large of a gap.

980
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:03,440
I'm curious if we add on other things
like parks district and that's able to

981
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:08,320
that is beyond our scope. Like there is
just such a large bill that we do not

982
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,280
have the capacity to pay and I see I
feel no confidence that we're going to

983
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,400
be able to pay it and that is
uncertainty that is most scary to me and

984
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:19,360
we should talk about that when we talk
about parks on pen. should talk about it

985
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:24,159
frankly more often.
>> So you won't priority you're gonna

986
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:30,719
prioritize be scared of death.
>> I think to be to take Robert's uh

987
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:35,440
council Matthew's point this is $100,000
year over year that we are committing to

988
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:39,920
in a worst case scenario operations and
maintenance. I think that the concerns

989
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:45,760
that I have about the credit card bill
are far larger than just the $100,000

990
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,040
that we're going to be adding here. And
that uncertainty I have is frankly with

991
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:55,159
all the other things that might be added
to that bill like a parks district, like

992
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,159
all these other

993
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:06,480
» I'm skipping.
You guys can come back. [laughter]

994
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:12,800
If you can abstain, you can come back to
>> I'm going to change my vote from I want

995
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:17,360
to hear everybody's Yeah, I I
you know I

996
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:23,199
I I share all these concerns. I hear I
share your concerns. I really do. Um but

997
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:29,840
I think that we need to prioritize
Milwaukee Park.

998
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:35,920
We've invested a lot of effort in it for
way too many years. I think that there's

999
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:42,719
a I think there's a way forward. I don't
I I think this is basically what Peter

1000
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:48,000
and and and Emma and and Joseph have
laid out is it's doable, but it's also I

1001
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:53,520
think it's the worst case scenario. And
I'm not so sure that that that will play

1002
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:58,080
out. I think that there's still avenues
for us to,

1003
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:06,640
you know,
get some of the NCPRD SDC's regardless.

1004
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:10,960
And I will also remind people that when
they when the the DAC voted and

1005
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:14,719
supposedly, you know, the the county
board says, "We want to hear from the

1006
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:19,120
DAC." Well, the DAC was tied with two
extensions. Okay? So that's not a

1007
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:23,120
foregone conclusion that the DAC is not
going to go back to the county board and

1008
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:29,120
say sign the IGA. That's not a foregone
conclusion. Okay. And so uh I think that

1009
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:34,480
you know we I think it would be really
hard to explain to the residents you

1010
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:39,760
know this this this decision. I share
share Rebecca's concerns about you know

1011
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:45,360
deteriorating infrastructure. There's no
great answer but I think Milwaukee Bay

1012
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:49,920
Park is a better answer than the other.
That's all. All

1013
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:55,760
» and I would add that, you know, I mean,
the most troubling thing to me about

1014
01:19:52,400 --> 01:20:01,120
delaying the streetscape is the sort of
ADA accessibility issue. But I do think

1015
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:06,960
we have to remember that Milwaukee Bay
Park brings ADA improvements and equity.

1016
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:10,000
I mean, there are equity elements to the
Milwaukee Bay.

1017
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,880
» You got to sell me. I know.
>> Pardon?

1018
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:18,159
» You got to sell me, mayor. I know.
Well, say this general

1019
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:22,320
say it's a pre-cooling center for
>> That's right. But the cooling element of

1020
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:30,640
I mean people say all the time that you
know splash pads are equity tools and um

1021
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:35,280
or treat and place where people can cool
in the heat of summer all of that. Um so

1022
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:38,159
I don't
>> need all 24 spouts.

1023
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:41,840
» I [laughter]
don't want us to lose sight of that. Uh

1024
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:46,640
Yes,
>> that's an inside

1025
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:54,560
Kia wanted to value engineer the number
spouse and splash down.

1026
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:58,480
» Okay. Um Adam, you want to wait?
Rebecca's watching.

1027
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:06,051
» I'd like to hear from the business.
>> Sorry, Savage. Everyone's everyone but

1028
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:11,000
I just came back to my computer.
[laughter]

1029
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:11,000
» We're building a new city hall.

1030
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:22,719
Okay. So, so to pack you up, we got
debated pie choice.

1031
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:28,320
» Exactly. You actually consensus has
already indicated a support for option,

1032
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:34,159
but we would like to hear the poll.
>> I I held off system.

1033
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:36,159
» Well, I can't represent. I mean,
>> no, but you're a business owner on

1034
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,456
mainstream.
>> I Yeah.

1035
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,476
» So, you do have that perspective.
>> [laughter]

1036
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:52,400
» Um, okay. So, the things that I was
going to take when you were talking

1037
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:59,520
about affordability.
Um, is that

1038
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:05,920
we it's really really hard if not
impossible to maintain the current state

1039
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:12,639
of affordability in the city. And you
and I have had conversations about what

1040
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:18,320
has to happen to accommodate the the
growth that we don't have any control

1041
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:22,560
over, but how we like supplement some of
that. How we put more incentives in

1042
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:28,719
place, put more assistance in place, and
how,

1043
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:34,080
you know, I think we have to we have to
have the conversation about how

1044
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:38,239
Milwaukee grows.
Um,

1045
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:44,480
and I don't I think that we can have
that discussion and not be at odds with

1046
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:48,960
building. Uh, so I was really I was
hearing what you were saying earlier

1047
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:58,000
that really hit my heart, you know,
because you have been a really uh wrong

1048
01:22:52,560 --> 01:23:02,639
woman advocate and unwavering
advocate, but we're in that spot where

1049
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:08,960
it's like we're going to have more
growth. It's going there are going to be

1050
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:13,679
unaffordable units that pop up across
our city. There are market demands that

1051
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:21,120
are just going to make that happen. The
the like really um

1052
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:31,639
sick lining of that is that you know an
increase in the disposable wealth income

1053
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:31,639
that would be in the city or the um

1054
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:37,679
or the property tax that comes with
those that's going to help us in our

1055
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:43,679
general fund to do a better job to
protect residents that are struggling.

1056
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:50,920
Um, so I I want you to hear that that is
like I hear that

1057
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,920
» and there are a lot of conversations.

1058
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,840
» Um,
so and I also hear a really big urgency

1059
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:06,000
from a lot of the folks that are on Main
Street and beyond around Milwaukee Park.

1060
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:11,360
It's I mean it's like reaching a
deafening level. Um there are a lot of

1061
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:20,239
people who really want that to be built
out. Um it's an investment that is um

1062
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:28,080
visible and the mainstream investments
are not as visible. Uh we're also really

1063
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:31,840
good at duct taping things, but that
doesn't mean that we should always duct

1064
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:36,800
tape things.
So,

1065
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:42,880
um I think that puts us all in this
really

1066
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:46,760
impossible situation. Um,
and I think that

1067
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:57,840
I think that if I I I don't think
advancing both makes sense uh with our

1068
01:24:53,760 --> 01:25:02,560
current capacity and unless we have um a
a release valve for some additional

1069
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:08,800
capacity and if that means you know
putting funding into additional staff or

1070
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:11,920
um consulting or you know something
along those lines unless there's a magic

1071
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:16,080
way to do that.
>> If I could just say one thing, I I think

1072
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:21,600
in terms of staff capacity, the way that
we've planned in the CIP, we have that

1073
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:24,320
capacity to do both purchases or the
full financial capacity.

1074
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:28,480
» We'd have to take that.
>> We'd have to go and pay up

1075
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:32,880
» and and then we're assuming we're not
designing a lot of sewer, right? That's

1076
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:36,960
they are taking that off. That's where
that's where we don't have the CIP did

1077
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:40,800
plan to have staff on both of these
projects

1078
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:43,440
do this. So we have FTE.
>> Yes.

1079
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:49,440
» But what is the mental strength of
taking on you know two aligning two

1080
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:54,560
» I think worried about
>> I'm more worried about proximity of

1081
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,760
walking be park and main street if you
did both of those at the same time.

1082
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:03,280
» Yeah.
>> I think the businesses would kill us and

1083
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,159
be to be honest like I don't but that
would be a strength because they be like

1084
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,920
what are you doing? You've got that tore
up and this tore up. Like where where

1085
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:14,639
are people go? Where's the contractors
staging? Where is, you know,

1086
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:18,159
» and if if we hear that people have a
problem with parking now, just wait

1087
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:23,520
until there are a whole bunch of
contractor vehicles taking out parking

1088
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:29,600
spaces. in town. So co sorry
>> which co is the right place for

1089
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:38,000
» I was say
and um the dam will be very handy to

1090
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:45,120
» um okay so and I also think that we've
been caught in this like

1091
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:49,360
quagmire for way too long um where we've
been struggling with these decisions and

1092
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:53,440
struggling with forces outside of our
control and it would be really nice and

1093
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:55,440
refreshing to just say, you know what,
okay, we're going to do this.

1094
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,679
» Yeah.
>> And we're going to move forward and and

1095
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:04,960
we can all rally behind that, which I
think we all just need to rally around

1096
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:10,639
something right now. Um the things that
I hear and well, let me let me do this.

1097
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:16,400
Uh I've been on Main Street as a
business owner very long. It's like less

1098
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:21,679
than two years. Um but I've talked to
main street businesses for more than two

1099
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:26,480
years. And the margin on what makes a
good month and what makes a month where

1100
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:32,719
you think you're gonna have to close
your doors is so much thinner than

1101
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:39,520
anybody ever imagines. Uh I mean I think
like I go back a lot and think about how

1102
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:43,600
frequently I went into businesses that
you know I had connected with and I was

1103
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:49,280
like oh yeah I bought this book and then
I didn't go back for like two months or

1104
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:55,679
something. that's not enough and we
can't we can't live on this amount of

1105
01:27:53,040 --> 01:28:00,400
foot traffic. It's just not it's not
feasible. Um, we have a lot of

1106
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:05,280
businesses that are coming online and I
think that they are starting now to

1107
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:11,520
realize some of the things that you
don't even know when you're like, "Hey,

1108
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:16,719
start a business downtown and you don't
think about the hidden costs or the

1109
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:21,760
emergencies or things, you know, like
you burn through your your reserve a lot

1110
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:25,840
faster than you could ever imagine."
Okay, so

1111
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:33,040
cut to the chase, right? I think that we
should prioritize theme park. I think

1112
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:40,960
that that is it's a catalyst project. I
think it is something that unifies a lot

1113
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:46,560
of different groups and I realize that
um it's going to put additional strain

1114
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:50,320
on the timeline for the mainstream
projects and the infrastructure there.

1115
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:56,400
But I also really hope that we're able
to come through with some like very

1116
01:28:53,199 --> 01:29:01,840
creative placemaking that can make it
can make that lift forward a little bit

1117
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:06,560
better. It'll also give some of the
businesses that are on the south side or

1118
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:12,159
the north side of downtown an
opportunity to get their stability

1119
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:18,320
because even with Milwaukee Fest, you
know, the the road was closed at Jackson

1120
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:23,440
and the North downtown businesses, they
didn't get anything. They I mean, it was

1121
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:28,560
not a Milwaukee fest for the north
businesses unless you were drinking

1122
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:33,199
beer, watching soccer at the food carts.
Um, but there are small businesses that

1123
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:37,320
need to we need to give them some time
for their roots to take hold.

1124
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,199
» That was really long ago.

1125
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:51,120
» No, no, actually it's exactly what you
know

1126
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:55,280
I'm I'm not against prioritizing people.
The only point I'm trying to make is

1127
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:59,280
that um
it's more than just that decision,

1128
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:02,320
right? Because as you said, things are
going to get more expensive, right?

1129
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:06,480
» And and I think everybody understands
that. I think that's part of the

1130
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:10,480
problem. It's like what does it stop?
We don't have to add to it, right? I

1131
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:16,480
like, oh, they're charging this we
should. And I'm not saying that, but at

1132
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:21,760
the same time, my thing is that the very
little that we do control when it comes

1133
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:25,920
to what we make affordable
is precious,

1134
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:34,159
right? It's very, very precious and it's
limited. So we shouldn't just bat an eye

1135
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:37,520
to it and say well it is as it goes
because this [snorts] is our

1136
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:43,600
responsibility.
We have this responsibility to the

1137
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:47,280
residents whose money this is. So that's
the only thing that I want to that that

1138
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,719
I'm trying to highlight that it's not as
easy as saying go ahead and prioritize

1139
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:55,360
Milwaukee because sure everybody's going
to be happy. I want it done, too. But

1140
01:30:52,800 --> 01:31:00,159
there's other conversations coming. And
what I don't want to see is is

1141
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:04,320
these wealthy people and these higher
taxes then pushing out the people that

1142
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:08,080
can no longer. That's what I worry
about. Because then who are we building

1143
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:12,960
to?
the people who have paid most of their

1144
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:16,800
lives into it or the people who are just
going to come because they have the

1145
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:20,400
money to buy their way into our
community

1146
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:24,880
and enjoy what everyone else is now
pushed out to

1147
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:28,239
last thing and I want to deliver
Milwaukee Park and I'm going to I'm

1148
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:32,239
going to agree with all of you to
prioritize. I just want us to keep these

1149
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:37,600
things at the forefront. I'm going to
ask all of us to now push even harder on

1150
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:41,440
this affordability. I don't really want
to hear that. Well, I don't know how

1151
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,560
much we can do or what can we help
because if we can build this thing for

1152
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:48,040
13 million, we better save these people
some damn money.

1153
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:55,600
» Thank you, counselor. So, let me recap.
Think we've got clear direction that

1154
01:31:53,199 --> 01:32:01,840
we're moving with kind of option B. So,
that's going to involve um delaying the

1155
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:08,639
Main Street enhancement CIP project,
reassigning the URA dollars that were

1156
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:13,600
dedicated to that. I want to um get some
head nods. We will also reallocate the

1157
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:18,000
URA dollars that work for Kellogg to
Milwaukee.

1158
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:21,120
Knowing that we may there's a crystal
ball. There's so many crystal balls out

1159
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:24,719
there, but there's Kellogg crystal ball.
And if funds come forward for Kella,

1160
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:29,159
we're going to have to come back and
talk um about

1161
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,920
» an application in today, right? Did it
go into?

1162
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:38,159
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1163
01:32:35,679 --> 01:32:41,920
So, we will work on the mechanics behind
the scenes of how we do a budget

1164
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:47,360
adjustment to to reallocate the UR
dollars to Milwaukee Park and continue

1165
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:52,400
to be full steam ahead on grants. Um, I
also think if with your permission, even

1166
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:57,040
while we're in limbo land, I think we
would like I'd like to start pushing a

1167
01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:01,760
little bit on um asks to MCPRD about the
contract transfer and the trail grant

1168
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:07,520
transfer.
>> Okay. Um, second thing I heard I think

1169
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:11,440
consensus domain we're not talking about
for three years.

1170
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,280
» Well, I think we're not talking about it
for now.

1171
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,960
» We're not talking about
>> Well, there's the other side of this

1172
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:20,560
coin. Metro
is still gonna have some opinions about

1173
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:23,600
what we should do there.
>> Metro might not want to just sit on

1174
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:27,199
their
>> That's why I said what I did.

1175
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:32,000
» Okay. Okay. But so we you are not asking
staff to actively work on any visioning

1176
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:38,320
or planning work around Harrison Bane.
We will see what our partners in.

1177
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:42,159
» Well, I can also tell them we're not
gonna move forward with any kind of

1178
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:48,000
submission for purchase.
>> Yeah. Um,

1179
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:51,679
I appreciate, council president, I think
I and Joseph, tell me your thoughts. I

1180
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,960
don't think I had that clarity of
direction that it was going to be an

1181
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:59,360
immediate turnaround on a new RFP that
we need to actually have a conversation

1182
01:33:56,239 --> 01:34:03,920
about RFP goals and everything. But um
to the very wise words council council

1183
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:09,840
question white have said about ensuring
affordability is important. Um we have

1184
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:14,400
an action item in our affordability goal
to really come back with you all and pin

1185
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:19,280
down our next steps on affordable
housing within that goal. I wonder if in

1186
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:25,040
as part of that we can also talk about
the the coho 2.0 plan.

1187
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:29,760
» I think it would be useful for us to
know. Yeah, I think we should have a

1188
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:36,000
conversation around COO, how we move
forward. Um, if it's could be just let's

1189
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:40,000
take those old goals and let's update
them. Uh, we want to get affordable

1190
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:47,600
housing there. Um, I would like to have
a better understanding about the what

1191
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:52,000
the Clomar told them about how hard it
was going to be to build what they were

1192
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:57,120
trying to build and is is that pointing
us towards something smaller? Uh yes,

1193
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:02,320
» I would like to have a conversation.
Yeah. Around sort of how an RFP would

1194
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:06,480
look different based on what we know
from the process.

1195
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:10,320
» Absolutely.
The last

1196
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:13,600
» could you put a little more meat on that
about smaller what how does that

1197
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:18,400
» I I think to summarize what you're
saying mayor is that we learned a lot of

1198
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:23,679
things the last six years with goho
>> y and I think the mayor is saying what

1199
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:29,440
we learned can we right size the RFP
because that RFP might be reducing the

1200
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:32,320
size of the cast like the of how many
units we can get there because maybe

1201
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,480
it's more realistic instead of having
200

1202
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:39,520
» is that because KO was going further
into The co was very large.

1203
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:43,920
» Yeah. Yeah. And the weight but basically
it was going

1204
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:50,239
» much they had to prop it up. What it
took to support

1205
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:54,159
» plane piles you'll need more you build
and the bigger you build right

1206
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:57,920
» more deeper those have to be and things
like that. That's expensive. So that's

1207
01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:01,440
why those kind of that's why they needed
that sixth floor is to help pay for the

1208
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:07,920
offset of
>> we can absolutely lessons learned and

1209
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:13,280
and maybe changes to how we can Yeah.
Okay. Um and then the last piece, but

1210
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:18,320
it's it's arguably the most important
because it's the surrounding context.

1211
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:23,679
It's that continued financial modeling
about general fund sustainability. We

1212
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:28,239
were very clear with our in our budget
process that that's the work for this

1213
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:33,520
bianium is our strategy for making a
general fund solvent. That has only

1214
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:39,360
gotten more acute for a variety of
reasons. Um not least of which is this

1215
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:44,159
parks um on M conversation that we have
scheduled for the 18th. So you have my

1216
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:50,080
commitment that we're working on on
that. It is only July 14. It's just our

1217
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:55,440
budget, but we will be bringing we'll
bring that forward um to you to budget

1218
01:36:52,480 --> 01:37:01,440
committee and um provide as much
modeling data and strategic thinking to

1219
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:06,159
help you make the best strategic
decisions going forward. But I have to

1220
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:12,719
say this is so incredibly helpful that
the clarity from tonight, your staff

1221
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:17,600
deeply thank you. It will make so many
things more

1222
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:22,880
just drive for us.
>> Absolutely.

1223
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:27,440
» Final thoughts from my team CIP.
>> Just appreciate that the conversation

1224
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:31,679
and and the clarity. So that's really
helpful.

1225
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:36,920
» Final questions from council.
Thought it was a good conversation. I

1226
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,920
also appreciate

1227
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,920
» Do we have um council reports on this
agenda or should I just hold them for

1228
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:48,320
next week?
>> You should hold [laughter]

1229
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:53,600
I don't have a council report. There's
something I really do want to say though

1230
01:37:50,159 --> 01:38:00,239
and I want to commend the public works
department and Damian on their awards

1231
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:04,639
that they received.
So, Peter, why don't you just high give

1232
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:12,520
us the highlights again? So, uh I I I
think I put it out in our five week.

1233
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,520
Uh I read it

1234
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:20,480
has been uh we've been participating in
the strategic energy program with the

1235
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:28,480
energy trust uh since I've been here and
we uh were awarded a silver award and a

1236
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:34,159
roads award silver for the electrical
and the bronze for the natural gas and

1237
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:42,159
we were in the out of I think 95
uh participating organizations we were

1238
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:47,440
in top five in electrical savings and
performance is being part of that and I

1239
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:54,159
think top five as well the natural gas.
So, wow.

1240
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:58,239
» We we consistently see savings through
the things that we've been doing to, you

1241
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:03,040
know, solar the solar work that we did
over JCB, but the controls work that

1242
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:08,159
we're doing here uh that we just
finished up here at city hall. Uh we're

1243
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:13,360
able to better control the cooling
system and make sure that they're

1244
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:19,280
turning they need to turn on turn off
need to turn off. So, uh, it's it's a

1245
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:25,760
continu continuous ongoing process that
that we participate in. Not just Damian,

1246
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:29,600
it's Mike and Carly
Clarison

1247
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:33,920
are intimately involved in the program.
So, they do a great job.

1248
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:37,679
» It's a whole long list of a lot of small
things that add up. It

1249
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:42,080
» is.
And do does that report we get it

1250
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:45,520
emailed to us, but does it get put on
the website?

1251
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:49,600
No, we don't we don't put the B label
for the website. It's more of just an

1252
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:52,800
internal document that we share just
talking about what we're doing as a

1253
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:56,239
compiler. So,
>> well, something like that should

1254
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:59,920
probably be in the co-pilot or
something.

1255
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:06,080
» Storytelling
>> storytelling and support of our climate

1256
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:10,000
goals that goes up this week. So, I'll
thank you.

1257
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:14,239
» Sure.
>> Anything else reports? I do have a

1258
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:23,199
couple council reports and I'll be
quick. Um, one is um and uh kind of it

1259
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:29,840
relates to the parks questions is um you
know uh NCPRD was asking has been asking

1260
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:36,000
for a government rate for utilities. So
there is a mayor's uh email lister for

1261
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:40,960
the Oregon Mayor's Association and
people throw out questions. So I threw

1262
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:44,960
out that question. um who has uh does
anybody does any city have government

1263
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:51,280
rate for other for their school
district, for fire district, whatever.

1264
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:58,639
And um I got about a dozen or so
answers. And um a couple of of a couple

1265
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:05,040
of cities have a reduced
uh water rate for their schools or water

1266
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:09,440
in their fields because they have a
agreement that those fields are open to

1267
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:15,840
the public. when school's not using
them. Otherwise, universally, no

1268
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:21,840
government utilitar. So, it was very
interesting and informative to get that

1269
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:27,840
kind of reality check. Um,
the regional transportation plan, uh,

1270
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:32,480
some folks prevent that's like the metro
region TSP. They do it, but they do it

1271
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:39,119
every five years. Thank god we have to
do the TSP every five years. um that

1272
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:44,080
they're starting off now from the 2028
update. They came and met with Jennifer

1273
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:48,719
and I yesterday. I have their little
handouts if anybody's interested. The

1274
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:53,679
council president also has them in the
C4 packet for tomorrow because they're

1275
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:58,960
going to be the same. Uh same thing
there. The only real important thing

1276
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:03,199
about that process is 2027 and
Jennifer's going to be already updating.

1277
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:07,679
We've had a lot of projects in there.
the Harmony Road intersection, the

1278
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:15,280
railroad bike path. Um she's going to
update what's already in there. Um 2027

1279
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:20,800
is our window to put it. So we will have
a conversation since 2027 about whether

1280
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:25,520
there's anything we want to add to the
RTP which does have to relate to our

1281
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:29,760
updated TSP. We can't just throw
anything in there.

1282
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:36,320
Well, and and there was an interesting
issue that came up about

1283
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:40,639
» it on their financial constraint list.
>> It has to be on our financial.

1284
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:44,000
» I did not know and I don't that was the
case last time. So, I made that change

1285
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,840
this time.
>> And that's going to be a bit of a

1286
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:52,800
conundrum when you talk about the
Harmony Road intersection. It is not on

1287
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:58,000
our conra.
Um,

1288
01:42:54,719 --> 01:43:05,920
so, uh, I'm going to send you guys
around two documents from, uh, the that

1289
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:12,000
the MMC, well, I sent you around one doc
the MMC sent around because I'm not the

1290
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:17,600
other one, but uh, SHS table has been
kind of testy lately and, uh, there's a

1291
01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:23,199
lot of dissatisfaction with, uh, the way
Metro is running the process. um not

1292
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:28,880
just from the the mayors, but there was
a lot of it there was a sort of tense

1293
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:35,520
meeting last week. Um the mayors have
asked for we're in the process of of

1294
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:39,600
setting the goals and the um KPIs, the
performance indicators. The mayors have

1295
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:45,040
put in a request for a key performance
indicator to address uh sheltered

1296
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:52,080
houselessness uh that there's some
resistance to. Um, I will share that

1297
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:57,920
letter you guys just so you know. Um,
it's going to be an interesting few

1298
01:43:53,679 --> 01:44:03,679
months ahead. Uh, the mayor's also
there was a letter uh in support of

1299
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:10,639
Mayor Wilson in trying to get his
council to fund the

1300
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:16,159
uh the upgrades to the modus center. I
was the MOA center was a thing that I

1301
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:24,639
was sort of not I was not uh sure where
I felt what I felt about that but I in

1302
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:30,800
the end I actually felt good. Um so um
anyway uh yeah so

1303
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:36,960
big
motor center has a has an economic

1304
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:43,760
driver for the region
the loss of pretty solid consensus that

1305
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:46,960
the loss of the blazers would be ahead
for the region.

1306
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:53,920
» There resistance by Portland city
council. Oh yeah. Yeah.

1307
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:58,239
Yeah. That's what the letters about.
>> Um so I think that's it for

1308
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:04,880
» anybody else.
>> I have one in the

1309
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:09,199
» Could you pass this picture?
Um,

1310
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:13,672
» tell you a short story as they open this
afternoon.

1311
01:45:11,652 --> 01:45:13,672
[laughter]

1312
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:21,280
» Um, the morning of Milwaukee Day,
[laughter]

1313
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:28,719
» Milwaukee Fest.
>> Um, it there was there was the buzz of

1314
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:32,800
excitement on Main Street. Kids were
filling the street

1315
01:45:31,302 --> 01:45:40,440
[laughter]
as we were bustling around trying to get

1316
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,440
happening [laughter] again.

1317
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:51,639
» We were I got a phone call.
>> Very very sweet.

1318
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,639
» This is the port.

1319
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:59,920
» I've always wanted one of those.
These little port potties are for Emma

1320
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,880
and Joseph.
>> Thank you.

1321
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:07,440
» And Dan Harris, who I really hope is on
vacation now. [laughter]

1322
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:11,840
It's such a huge lift to put on an event
like that. And it was so much fun for

1323
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:17,600
everyone. And
you it's really hard to do that and then

1324
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:24,639
immediately switch into the tough
conversations of Monday. Um but

1325
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:30,960
everybody involved had to do that. Um,
and one conversation that you didn't

1326
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:34,400
have to have on Monday was why the
portaotties were on one side of the

1327
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,960
street and not the other side of the
street.

1328
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:44,400
» And next year they will not be on this
year. They will not be because we pushed

1329
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:49,248
portaotties across Main Street
with rude strength

1330
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:54,000
» and grave determination.
[laughter] There was a whole cost

1331
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:58,639
benefit analysis of like if it spills in
the entire kids area,

1332
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:01,679
you know, as a biohazard,
>> we have ruined Milwaukee best, but if we

1333
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:05,679
don't,
>> we have ruined the relationship. It's a

1334
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,920
very important business owner. And so we
pushed pushed me

1335
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:15,448
» and and as I was closing, I was
physically standing between two of the

1336
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:18,800
portaotties. And then Rodney walked up
[laughter] and I was like, "Oh, you

1337
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:21,800
really have to go to the bathroom, don't
you?"

1338
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:29,360
» We all made it. And so they're add that
to your decoration.

1339
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:33,199
» Well, they were still there this
afternoon.

1340
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:37,760
They were earlier like around two
o'clock today.

1341
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,049
» I don't know. I'm gonna push them down
to our place. [laughter]

1342
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:50,219
» Thank you. Those are cute.
>> Monopoly.

1343
01:47:48,199 --> 01:47:50,219
[laughter]

1344
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:54,119
» Monopoly.

1345
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:06,159
» That is such a hard thing to follow up
with more bureaucratic business. Can I

1346
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:10,880
ask one little report kind of thing? Um,
and this is here to say, but I heard a

1347
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:18,000
rumor, fellow city manager, that the
county's TSP includes zero projects on

1348
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:21,920
county roads in cities.
>> It's only not incorporated,

1349
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:28,560
» of course.
>> So, I just So, the um development agency

1350
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,920
has been doing all of the projects on
city,

1351
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:34,000
» okay,
>> roads, but I hear that that funding is

1352
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:38,560
going to dry up here soon.
>> Okay. Just as the city manager I was

1353
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:42,880
talking to I think has a lot more
concern. Well, I was gonna say we don't

1354
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:45,880
have as much, but like Oregon City has a
ton

1355
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,040
» Yeah, I've heard that.

1356
01:48:55,679 --> 01:49:04,080
But the other complaint I heard about
>> by your bootstraps over here,

1357
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:12,639
» the mayor of uh Sandy called out that
the county tsp only has 1% of going to

1358
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:18,280
Oregon or further east.
So um also not funding hard

1359
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:33,199
street I
>> had an event I went to

1360
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:39,040
there are a lot of businesses that are
closed along the 26th really I haven't

1361
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:42,880
been out there a while I I just I'm just
thinking did the snow affect that many

1362
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:48,239
businesses I mean there are just a lot
of empty places on Welch just wrote a

1363
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:51,600
bedroom that they're really really
poured out.

1364
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:54,600
» Yeah, it's horrible.
>> Horrible.

1365
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,880
» Thanks.

1366
01:50:03,785 --> 01:50:07,960
[laughter]
Oh,

1367
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,960
» we are journed.