1 00:01:15,730 --> 00:01:37,590 The July 21 general session meeting, the city clerk previously took roll call. At this time, Jason Kilibrew will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Immediately following, Pastor Rick Darden, friends community church will lead the invocation. Please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance and remain standing for the invocation. Ready begin. 2 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:35,670 For the many citizens who are very interested and involved in the well-being of our city. 3 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:42,910 God in the days to come, we pray for wisdom, we pray for your favor and protection, and 4 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:48,830 we pray for unity as we continue to be grateful for this place in which we live. 5 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:51,570 So thank you for tonight, thank you for each person here. 6 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:58,090 And we're grateful for this time of year, time to maybe have different schedules and time 7 00:02:58,090 --> 00:03:03,030 to enjoy the outdoors more, but Father, most of them were grateful for this opportunity to 8 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:03,510 be here. 9 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:04,790 and thank you for it. 10 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:06,470 Jesus name we pray. Amen. 11 00:03:07,130 --> 00:03:07,750 Thank you. 12 00:03:09,130 --> 00:03:12,190 Next, I'd like to invite senior community service leader 13 00:03:12,190 --> 00:03:14,510 of Day Camp, Chase Kiddelsen, 14 00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:17,030 Lifeguard Instructor Cohen Sankville, 15 00:03:17,390 --> 00:03:20,290 and senior community services leader for sports, 16 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,790 Nick Tosta, to receive a proclamation 17 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:25,290 for Parks Make Life Better Month. 18 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Whereas Parks and Recreation promote physical, 19 00:03:43,300 --> 00:03:45,060 emotional, and mental health and wellness 20 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:51,420 through organized and self-directed fitness, play, and activity, and whereas Parks and Recreation 21 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:56,740 create memorable experiences through youth sports and enrichment activities, teen and 22 00:03:56,740 --> 00:04:02,080 senior programs, adult fitness and enrichment programs, community events, and beyond. 23 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:08,080 And whereas Parks and Recreation foster social cohesiveness in communities by celebrating 24 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,720 diversity, providing spaces to come together peacefully, modeling compassion, promoting 25 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,860 social equity, connecting social networks and ensuring all people have access to its benefits. 26 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,960 And whereas parks and recreation support human development and endless learning opportunities 27 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,600 that foster social, intellectual, physical, and emotional growth in people of all ages and 28 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,080 abilities. 29 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:39,400 And whereas parks and recreation sustain and stewards of our natural resources by protecting habitats 30 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:55,980 and open space, connecting people to nature and promoting the ecological function of Parkland and whereas parks and recreation supports safe, vibrant and attractive communities like Brea by providing positive recreational opportunities that enhance the quality of life. 31 00:04:55,980 --> 00:05:01,200 Now, therefore, I, Cecilia Huff, mayor of the City of Braya, on behalf of the Braya City 32 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Council, recognize the importance of access to local parks, trails, open space, and facilities 33 00:05:08,170 --> 00:05:14,980 for the health, wellness, development, inspiration, and safety of all brands, and do hereby proclaim 34 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:19,420 July, 2026, as parks make life better month. 35 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:22,900 Okay. 36 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:34,510 Sorry, I was not prepared to say anything, but yeah, we use parks. I've been here for 37 00:05:34,510 --> 00:05:39,890 eight years with the city. We use many of the different parks around Brea, and it's 38 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:45,950 definitely given a good space for all the kids to just enjoy each other, make friendships. 39 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:51,130 It's definitely a relief for me to get out of the building to be with the kids in the sun 40 00:05:51,130 --> 00:05:54,890 and kind of just play around and it's just been amazing 41 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:59,290 having that access here in Brea. 42 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,260 From the sports end, we see kids coming back 43 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:15,300 and joining our programs. 44 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,140 We have ages from start from around four. 45 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:20,200 This summer we went up to 11. 46 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,700 So it's just great being able to see 47 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:26,040 these kids rejoin our program on the youth sports side 48 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,440 and with the dole sports side we have teams that just keep them back so we 49 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,500 like to see people we like to see new faces but on the other end we also like 50 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:40,900 seeing people enjoying our programs and coming back so it's an honor to be 51 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,160 able to accept this. 52 00:07:21,730 --> 00:07:25,330 Okay next city manager Griffith will provide a report on 53 00:07:25,330 --> 00:07:26,950 on our prior steady session. 54 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,240 Thank you, Mayor. 55 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,640 On item 2D, Council designated Mayor Hub as a voting delegate for 56 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:43,180 the League of California City's annual conference and expo on September 23rd through 25th. 57 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,700 And Mayor pro-tim Siminoff as the alternative. 58 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,420 For item 2E, city attorney contract and lease agreement discussion, 59 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:53,580 Council directed me to follow up with RWG and 60 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:55,500 bring it back to a future council meeting. 61 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:56,100 Thank you. 62 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:56,840 Thank you. 63 00:07:57,460 --> 00:07:59,640 Okay, next we'll have community announcements. 64 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:01,320 Laura, would you like to start? 65 00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:07,730 The Fall Bray Align Newsletter is now available on the City website. 66 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:12,910 Learn about the latest classes, upcoming City events, activities and news. 67 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:14,610 Not yet subscribed. 68 00:08:15,150 --> 00:08:21,130 Visit the City website to sign up to receive the Fall Bray News newsletter straight to your inbox. 69 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:26,500 Spend a summer evening at our concerts in the park. 70 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,660 These concerts are free and family-friendly. 71 00:08:28,660 --> 00:08:36,120 Head over to City Hall Park on Wednesday nights and until August 5th and enjoy concert music starting at 6.30 p.m. 72 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:51,460 The next featured band is Soul 360 which is tomorrow night playing pop and soul hits from the 1960s featuring songs from Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, and the Jackson 5 and unfortunately I remember all those groups 73 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:59,020 Seating will be at City Hall Park, will be on the lawn and we encourage you to bring your dancing shoes, blankets, lawn chairs and enjoy the show. 74 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:07,740 There will be food and drink vendors selling barbecue tri-tip, popcorn, nachos, and for more information, please visit the City website. 75 00:09:10,850 --> 00:09:20,430 You are invited to our most appetizing event of the year, Brea Fest. Join us on Friday, August 7th at the Brea Civic and Cultural Center here at 6.30 p.m. 76 00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:26,990 Guests are invited to sample delicious food and beverages donated from local restaurants while enjoying live entertainment. 77 00:09:27,550 --> 00:09:34,750 Admission is free and taste tickets are available for purchase on the day of Brayafest for $4 a ticket. 78 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:37,410 For more information, visit the City website. 79 00:09:38,170 --> 00:09:38,670 Thank you. 80 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:45,090 Just as a reminder, the City of Bray recently launched a limited-term pilot short-term rental program. 81 00:09:45,510 --> 00:09:49,570 Interested property owners may submit a short-term rental license application. 82 00:09:49,570 --> 00:09:55,830 Now until Friday, July 31st, after this period, applications will be accepted on a rolling 83 00:09:55,830 --> 00:09:58,470 basis as licenses become available. 84 00:09:58,830 --> 00:10:03,890 To qualify, applicants must complete a home inspection, provide proof of insurance, and 85 00:10:03,890 --> 00:10:05,350 hold a valid business license. 86 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:09,830 For more information and all program requirements, visit the city's website. 87 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:20,560 Next assistant, assistant city manager, community development director Killebrew and public 88 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,760 development public works updates. Thank you Mayor. It's a good evening I would like to share 89 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,580 a few updates that are related to the community development department. So talking about entitlement 90 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:39,800 reviews, a new entitlement application is under planning review that was received for 915 Imperial 91 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:47,620 Highway where the St. Jude Medical offices are, the former ECCU campus. The proposed project is 92 00:10:47,620 --> 00:10:53,560 in amendment to the Brea industrial specific plan and looks to facilitate the demolition 93 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:58,700 of three existing office buildings keeping the main building as you come in on the main 94 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:04,300 entrance for the construction of 237 four-cell residential units. 95 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:11,540 In addition, Binihana is coming to downtown Brea and will occupy the ground floor of the 96 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:13,600 former Buffalo Wild Wings building. 97 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:43,580 The city recently received a new submittal for the rooftop, which is looking to propose an SDK restaurant rooftop and both projects will continue to be under review as well as the permitting process under construction and update for the green buyer residential project construction continues on the site where a recent building permit has been issued for the utilities including water sewer storm drains as well as street improvements to support the next phase. 98 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,300 days of development. 99 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:53,940 In addition, construction will begin at 424Berry for a new warehouse, demolition, grading, 100 00:11:54,220 --> 00:11:57,980 building, landscaping, and accessory structure permits have already been issued. 101 00:11:59,020 --> 00:12:04,660 And lastly, for new businesses that are coming to town and opening soon, located at the Rhea 102 00:12:04,660 --> 00:12:11,200 Gateway Center, a boot barn at the former Wright Aid, is projected to open sometime later 103 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:18,100 this month, and then also more updates for the Brayomall, the highly anticipated opening 104 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:25,160 of Dinh Tai Phung is projected to open sometime in August. Those are my updates for the evening 105 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,680 related to community development. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I have a few updates to 106 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:33,720 share from the Public Works Department. The streets division is currently working throughout 107 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,700 the city on a slurry seal project that started this week. There are two neighborhoods in this 108 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:43,760 project. The first neighborhood is south of Imperial Highway to Elm Street and within 109 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:49,960 Braille Boulevard to State College. The second location is in the Corsican villas on 110 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Tanglewood and Kerwood streets. The process includes crack ceiling application of oil base 111 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:02,320 and then the type 2 slurry is laid down. The fresh slurry needs the cure for about 8 to 10 hours 112 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:08,380 depending on the weather. This process prolongs the usefulness of the asphalt and the project is 113 00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:12,540 estimated to be completed by early August. If there's any area that the city 114 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:15,960 would or any of the residents would like us to look at please contact the 115 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Public Works Department at 714-990-7691. Thank you Mayor and those are my 116 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,780 updates. Thank you. Now we'll move on to public comment on agenda items. This is 117 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:33,480 your opportunity to make any comments relating to general session items. 118 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:37,920 Comments related to non-agenda items will be heard at the designated public 119 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,120 comment period for non-agenda items. Please submit a speaker card to the city clerk, 120 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:48,580 raise your digital hand now or dial nine on a telephone to indicate that you wish to speak. 121 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:54,060 When it is your turn to speak please begin by stating your name and city of residence and limit 122 00:13:54,060 --> 00:13:59,380 your comments to five minutes. I will first call on members of the public participating in person 123 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:05,040 followed by remote participants and remember if you're speaking in person tonight to speak 124 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:11,520 into the microphone. Thank you. Do we have anyone wishing to speak? Anyone remotely? 125 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:14,540 Okay, I'm going to close public comments. 126 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:23,980 Okay. And I'm going to ask Mr. Boga to report on our. 127 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:30,620 Certainly, Madam Mayor. Item 4C on the consent calendar is an employment agreement amendment 128 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:36,200 with the city manager. If this is approved it will provide a 2.5% salary increase this fiscal 129 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,440 year and a 2.5% salary increase next year. Consistent with the action the council took 130 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,680 at the last meeting for the other executives. Thank you very much. Now we'll move on 131 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,500 to the city council consent calendar. Do I have a motion to approve items 4A through 4K? 132 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:51,880 Move. 133 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:53,580 Do I have a second? 134 00:14:53,580 --> 00:14:54,160 Second. 135 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:54,780 Okay. 136 00:15:04,180 --> 00:15:14,260 Motion passes 5-0. Okay. Now we'll move on to the city's successor consent calendar. Do I have a motion to approve item 5A? Move, move, move. Do I have a second? 137 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Motion passes 5-0. Okay. Now we'll move on to public comment on non-agenda items. This is your opportunity to make any comments related to non-agenda items. Please submit a speaker card to the city clerk. Raise your digital hand now or down nine on a telephone to indicate that you wish to speak. 138 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,760 When it is your turn to speak please begin by stating your name and city of 139 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,760 residence and limit your comments to five minutes. Again I will call on members 140 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,700 of the public participating in person first followed by remote participants. 141 00:15:58,230 --> 00:16:02,950 Okay the first registered speaker I have is Jean Chung followed by Andrea 142 00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:03,290 Strom. 143 00:16:08,770 --> 00:16:13,850 Jean Chung City of Brea. The citizens who elected you have come to the City 144 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:18,190 Council meeting since they were made aware of the Costco deal that was taking 145 00:16:18,190 --> 00:16:19,590 in place behind closed doors. 146 00:16:20,290 --> 00:16:22,510 Since December, numerous speakers 147 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:24,970 have stood before this group with questions 148 00:16:24,970 --> 00:16:27,190 regarding all aspects of this deal 149 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:30,390 from location and environmental concerns 150 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:34,050 to finances and the long impact, long-term impact 151 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:36,990 of the revenue sharing plan with the developer. 152 00:16:37,650 --> 00:16:40,350 We have yet to hear responses to these questions. 153 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:44,550 When I spoke here last, I shared how the city of Diamond Bar 154 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:47,890 had solicited input from all the citizens of the city. 155 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:53,050 The banners they had placed around the city were compared to the signs that had been 156 00:16:53,050 --> 00:16:58,450 posted on the Beckman Lot announcing that Costco had applied to place a warehouse on 157 00:16:58,450 --> 00:16:59,090 that property. 158 00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:01,470 How does that solicit input? 159 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:08,190 Where are the informal meetings where all parties can share information and questions can 160 00:17:08,190 --> 00:17:08,770 be answered? 161 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:15,170 In an interview with the Orange County Register, the developer of this project was quoted 162 00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:21,830 as saying, and I quote, the council and school board are voting on things that they personally 163 00:17:21,830 --> 00:17:23,230 have no idea about. 164 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:30,190 They are 100% dependent on staffs who have their own agendas end quote. 165 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:36,590 If that is the case, isn't it time that you met with your constituents and did your own 166 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:37,050 research? 167 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:37,210 which? 168 00:17:37,450 --> 00:17:38,350 Thank you. 169 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:46,740 The next registered speaker I have is Andrea Strom, followed by Linda Criner. 170 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:54,510 New setups since I was here last. 171 00:17:56,670 --> 00:17:59,770 Brea for all has been derided as an imbece. 172 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:05,370 I hope you know by now that the city's own words and actions have ignited something much 173 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:05,730 bigger. 174 00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:10,330 That's why we're still actively engaged and well ahead of the EIR. 175 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:15,150 Whatever happens with the Costco project, we want to see change at City Hall. 176 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:18,550 In the last meeting, you were asked 12 important questions. 177 00:18:18,970 --> 00:18:21,430 One was answered and the other 11 were not. 178 00:18:22,090 --> 00:18:23,590 They are not new questions. 179 00:18:24,050 --> 00:18:25,250 You've known them for months. 180 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:30,470 Immediately after the meeting, you were sent detailed footnotes to the city records supporting 181 00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:31,290 each question. 182 00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:36,470 The developer is starting to answer some of the questions himself. 183 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:40,690 The questions are directed to the city, not him. 184 00:18:40,690 --> 00:18:48,570 He is not an elected official, and he has 77 million reasons to make a favorable sounding case. 185 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:52,590 We're still waiting for the city to answer our questions. 186 00:18:53,290 --> 00:18:56,250 In closing, I'd like to take a moment to stand up for my husband. 187 00:18:57,030 --> 00:18:59,730 I understand when people disagree on a topic. 188 00:19:00,330 --> 00:19:05,130 But I find it disturbing how quickly the comments in this forum and 189 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:09,170 especially on social media have turned into personal attacks. 190 00:19:09,170 --> 00:19:12,630 It should be beneath everyone to do that. 191 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:19,190 I believe we can only make progress when we get thoughtful and unbiased answers directly from the city. 192 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:33,090 So as mentioned in previous meetings, lights organize an open forum with the city council to specifically address those 11 remaining questions and whatever other questions spray a citizens might have. 193 00:19:33,490 --> 00:19:34,430 Thank you for your time. 194 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:35,450 The 195 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,200 next registered speaker I have is Linda Criner, followed by Gail Nita. 196 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,520 I've Linda Criner, I've lived in Brayas since 1979. 197 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,840 I am very concerned about the Costco project in our city. 198 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:09,860 The effect on the quality of life for the residents of 300 plus homes and east just closer. 199 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,640 Okay, sorry. 200 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:22,350 The effect on the quality of life for the residents of the 300 homes in East Brayas is extremely negative. 201 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:29,770 The traffic generated by the Colleges Costco in the state with its 40 gas pumps would be in nightmare. 202 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:37,930 There would be probably 10,000 cars on weekdays and 14,000 on the weekends driving on 203 00:20:37,930 --> 00:20:39,410 Kramer and Birch. 204 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:51,610 A bigger issue for the entire city, not just those of us that live near the Costco, is the 205 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:57,170 made with the developer. The developer gets the majority of the sales tax revenue from 206 00:20:57,170 --> 00:21:07,730 the Costco for 30 of the 50 years of the deal. There are 11 questions that mark email to 207 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:14,690 you. Question one, did the city have a positive financial objective for putting a Costco in 208 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:24,090 What's the, question two, why did the council not receive or ask for an annual analysis 209 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:27,110 of the general fund impact before voting? 210 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:34,750 Question three, did the council receive a task or ask for a benchmarking of the Costco 211 00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:37,630 deals compared to other municipalities? 212 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:44,570 Were you surprised that there is nothing in California or the United States that is as favorable 213 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:47,910 to the developer as the Brea Costco project. 214 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:53,150 Question four, for one of the most consequential deals 215 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:56,010 in Brea's history, why didn't the city 216 00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:59,130 conduct an independent financial analysis? 217 00:22:00,370 --> 00:22:03,370 Question five, on multiple of occasions, 218 00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:05,610 why did the Council build consensus 219 00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:09,910 with the developer and make decisions out of public view? 220 00:22:10,690 --> 00:22:13,430 On October 16th, 2025, 221 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:23,410 Why did the community developer redirect a report to the developer that nobody wants to have all homes on that whole site? 222 00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:31,950 Question 6, there are questions about giving the developer 40% of the future sales tax increase. 223 00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:38,630 Question 7, the seniors benefit has been talked about a lot but it's a shell game. 224 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,300 question eight. The city staff conducted project strategy sessions with the 225 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:53,780 developer's legal council rather than with the developer. Question nine. When 226 00:22:53,780 --> 00:22:57,840 communicating with the developer is it appropriate to refer to the 227 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:06,200 concerned citizens as the opposition? Question ten. Why was the narrative for the 228 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:12,480 December public hearing. So this is the first time it was public, carefully 229 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,100 crafted, yes, fundamentally misleading, as to what the vote meant that 230 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:23,460 occurred in the seven previous months. Question 11, why did the community 231 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:28,380 development director disavow that he had substantive involvement in the 232 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:35,800 Heinz property bidding process? What was the city's role? All of these questions 233 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,680 to serve serious answers in an open, two-way forum. 234 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,400 You pledge transparency and accountability 235 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,620 when you campaign. 236 00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:47,840 Will you act upon that? 237 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:48,920 Thank you. 238 00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:56,730 The next register speaker I have is Gayle Nita, 239 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:58,070 followed by Michael Burns. 240 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:20,110 Good evening. 241 00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:22,170 My name is Gayle Nita. 242 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:27,370 On June the 2nd, I was able to meet with council member 243 00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:34,870 Seminoff, Mayor Huff, and Jason Kilibrew to have my questions regarding the 244 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:42,310 Cusco parcel answered. My major concerns are the impact of traffic on 245 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:50,510 Birch and Kramer. Jason showed me how the traffic would flow into the area of 246 00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:56,090 gas pumps as shown here. Coming up or down from 247 00:24:56,090 --> 00:25:02,510 Kramer, going in here on this road, coming around this way, and here would be 248 00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:10,750 the gas pumps. Then they would exit this way back out to Kramer. However, on 249 00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:18,570 Kramer, if you look at it, and if we go south on Kramer, there is another 250 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:28,490 street and it has also a signal like there and so there's such a short distance to make a 251 00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:38,930 left to try to go down to Imperial Highway. Therefore most people who are busy usually would 252 00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:48,170 take the fastest way to get out of the Costco. So most of them would probably take a right and 253 00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:57,930 go up to Kramer and also at Kramer, they would either go west or they would go east on Kramer. 254 00:25:58,470 --> 00:26:11,390 I mean, on Birch. Another way to get out of this parcel is to go on Ranger. Go up Ranger to Birch. 255 00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:21,690 And again at Birch you could go west or you could go east making it very, very busy street. 256 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:29,710 We know that already we have a lot of traffic on Kramer and Birch. 257 00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:38,170 And now with Costco coming in there is even more traffic that we have to deal with. 258 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:44,990 Now, maybe you don't live in this area here, so it doesn't concern you too much. 259 00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:51,330 But for the people that live in this area, I wish that there would be more transparency 260 00:26:51,990 --> 00:27:02,710 on the City Council because it really impacts, I feel that you should be asking the people 261 00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:11,670 here, the people that are impacted by this Costco coming in, what their feelings are before 262 00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:19,930 you make any decisions. And I really would appreciate that you do that because that's 263 00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:30,090 part of the thing that's really lacking from this city council. Anyway, on another different 264 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:30,890 topic now. 265 00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:45,870 I would like to invite everyone to our Ali Open House on Saturday, August 8th, 266 00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:57,090 2026. We are located on the campus of Cal State Fullerton. Ali is a non-profit organization of 267 00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:08,090 semi-retired and retired individuals who love to learn and to socialize. Some classes include 268 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:27,070 arts, music, languages, science, and technology to name a few. Open House will be at the Ruby 269 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:37,630 August 8, 2026. I have some flyers here and I would like to invite you to come and see 270 00:28:37,630 --> 00:28:52,110 what kinds of things that we do at Oli. So these flyers, okay, these flyers will let you remember 271 00:28:52,110 --> 00:29:01,530 I remember that I think on the 7th you said you have the Braille Fest and on the Saturday we have this open house. 272 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:06,210 This also is a little Jason, this also. 273 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Anyway, I thank you for your time and I appreciate for your listening, a year. 274 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,180 Thank you. 275 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:28,330 The next register speaker, I have is Michael Burns, followed by Nancy Clifton Hawkins. 276 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:39,810 Hi, I'm Michael Burns, and I think everybody knows me, Madam Mayor and 277 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:41,210 distinguished council members. 278 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:48,650 I keep looking at this and I keep canvassing all over the place, be at the city park for the 4th of July, 279 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:53,630 the church in Andrew Murray, Chief Evie Frey, which is now floored in, which is right on the border. 280 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:57,950 And then I was at the Brea Mall, probably for 20 hours in the last month. 281 00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:59,810 And it's still running about nine. 282 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:28,440 Number one, on four Costco versus against, and in fairness to Linda and Mark and everybody else, we agreed to disagree, but we all come back to the same thing. At least I do revenue. How are we going to make up the revenue if Costco weren't here? And there's no way that you can bring this kind of revenue into the city unless we do have the Costco. And we need the revenue because in the future, you have fire and police going on a retirement, you have pensions that we already have to pay. 283 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,580 And by the way, the Burns family is own property here in Bray this is 1976. 284 00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:41,720 So I think that's important that everybody has to say and everybody gets to agree to disagree 285 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,500 if they want to. 286 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:47,100 But at the end of the day, I've asked Linda, I've asked Mark, well, if you don't want the 287 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,080 Costco, then what are you proposing? 288 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,260 And they haven't come up with the thing yet. 289 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:56,580 So I would just remind everybody that at the end of the day, we have to pay for everything. 290 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,420 everything's going up revenue is going down so it's a simple thing of math thank you for your time 291 00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:11,730 next registered speaker I have is Nancy Clifton Hawkins followed by Craig Ferris 292 00:31:15,890 --> 00:31:27,010 Good evening mayor city council members city staff Jason members of the public I'm Nancy Clifton Hawkins and I've been a resident of Ray for the past 30 years 293 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:34,790 A few months ago, I stood before you with a simple request that the city, Costco, the 294 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:39,070 developer, come into our neighborhood and talk with the people who will be most directly 295 00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:41,050 affected by this proposed project. 296 00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:45,530 Since then, a project sign has been installed, 297 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:52,060 a sign is not community engagement, a sign 298 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:59,260 forms but conversation builds trust. Assign cannot answer questions, it cannot 299 00:31:59,260 --> 00:32:03,700 explain what is being proposed, and it cannot help residents understand how 300 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:06,100 this development may affect their daily lives. 301 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,570 More importantly, assign only 302 00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:14,010 works if people can read it and understand it. 303 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,640 Our neighborhood is wonderfully 304 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,880 diverse. We have neighbors who speak primarily Chinese, Korean, English, among 305 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,000 others, and many of them still have no idea what is being planned outside their 306 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,540 neighborhood, or how this project could affect traffic, noise, construction, and 307 00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:35,460 quality of life. 308 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:43,690 Transparency is an achieved by posting a sign. Transparency is 309 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:48,750 achieved when every neighbor understands what is being proposed and has an 310 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:54,830 opportunity to ask questions in a language they understand. That's why our 311 00:32:54,830 --> 00:33:00,370 neighborhood is extending an invitation. Instead of asking our neighbors to come to 312 00:33:00,370 --> 00:33:06,870 City Hall, we're inviting you to come to our turf. To come into our neighborhood to meet 313 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:12,210 our neighbors and hear directly from the people who will live with the results of this project 314 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:13,030 every day. 315 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:23,300 Please join us, believe it or not, on Saturday, August 8th. From 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. 316 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:34,420 So there's wiggle room, the location is included on invitation that I'll be providing to each of you Jason there right here if you don't mind passing the amount I'd appreciate it. Thank you. 317 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:49,980 Come share the history of the project, explain what is being proposed, answer questions and listen to concerns and please come prepared with information and interpretation in our local threshold languages. 318 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:56,780 So that every resident has a meaningful opportunity to understand this project and participate in the conversation. 319 00:33:57,860 --> 00:34:01,000 This invitation is offered in the spirit of partnership. 320 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:11,080 We believe good projects begin with good communication and good communication means it begins by meeting people where they are. 321 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,640 After all, being a good neighbor is measured by the size of a project sign. 322 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,220 It is measured by the willingness to have a conversation. 323 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,100 We sincerely hope that you'll accept our invitation. 324 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,000 Thank you. 325 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:34,990 The next registered speaker, I have is Craig Ferris, followed by Keith Follington. 326 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,760 Good evening, Mayor, City Council, residents that are in attendance tonight. 327 00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:51,000 My name is Craig Ferris. 328 00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:55,560 I've lived here since 1971, which is longer than 50 years. 329 00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:57,820 I've watched this city grow. 330 00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:16,420 and tonight I prepared something that I'm going to read rather than every time I've spoken which I speak in favor of the developer, the development, the Costco, but I've wanted to collect my thoughts and I wanted to make sure that I myself am accountable to myself as well. 331 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:19,120 So I wrote something down that I wanted to share. 332 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,520 And we have a common theme all of us tonight. 333 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,440 I mean I respect that every resident has the right to express an opinion whether they 334 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,940 support or oppose a project. 335 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:38,760 However I believe our community benefits the most when those opinions are based on direct 336 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,700 conversations with the people who are involved in the project. 337 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:52,420 To my knowledge, there are many, some posting on social media, that have not met, I myself, 338 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:59,100 it took me quite a long time, about a month, to do some outside research, do some investigation, 339 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,080 meet with the city, and then I actually picked up the phone and I called and I met with 340 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,540 the developer. 341 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,060 And I asked a series of questions. 342 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:10,660 and the city was extremely transparent to every question that I had. 343 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,580 The developer was extremely transparent to every question that I had. 344 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:23,000 I feel that we here in Brea were very fortunate to have that opportunity. 345 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:29,880 And I'm not sure 100% if everyone that views or opposes the development 346 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,880 and it's not necessary, I don't think the take is on the Costco 347 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:45,200 So as much as just they don't want it by their house or they're afraid of the traffic or they're afraid of planning or they caught caught by surprise and things of that nature. 348 00:36:50,640 --> 00:37:01,440 But I would encourage those that have not reached out to reach out to the city developer are in the city planner and ask those questions like I did. 349 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,720 and things became more transparent. 350 00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:09,040 Pick up the phone and call the developer. 351 00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:16,440 Things became extremely transparent for me on that. 352 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,100 One point I'd like to make of importance 353 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:20,820 is being fully informed 354 00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:25,080 before making public positions of a project 355 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,180 that is this significant, I think, to the city. 356 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:36,240 this is almost as significant as the development of the Brea Mall, the development of the Brea Plaza, 357 00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:42,800 the development of certain key benchmarks that are anchored throughout this city, and this will 358 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,620 be another one. 359 00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:52,420 I understand that Mr. Dwight Manley has openly offered to me and has been available 360 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:55,640 to anyone who's interested in the proposed development. 361 00:37:56,140 --> 00:38:00,500 I believe that that is an admirable level of transparency 362 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:02,100 within itself of the developer. 363 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,760 He's going above and beyond probably what he needs to do. 364 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:08,520 When the opportunities like that are made available, 365 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,600 I encourage anyone. 366 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,860 I myself have spoken to Mr. Manley and said, 367 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:15,780 I would like to walk through the property 368 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:17,260 and understand things even more. 369 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,400 And I encourage everyone to take advantage 370 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,520 of understanding the total scope from both sites. 371 00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:26,900 Speaking directly with a developer, 372 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520 the city staff provides a much better understanding 373 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,400 in the facts than to rely on assumptions 374 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:38,200 and register articles and where those come from, 375 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:41,500 let alone, it still dumps me as a business owner 376 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,300 who could purchase some land and a development 377 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,500 that is earmarked for what is going into the area. 378 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:58,420 and I get the opposition but yet the I don't feel right about appearance of a 379 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:03,700 shady deal or a deal that's long-term I look at it a long-term deal can 380 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:10,440 benefit long-term the city. So I do respect the people that can reach out 381 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,740 and reach for themselves different conclusions and after reviewing the facts 382 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:21,420 However, I believe our community is best served when opinions are formed after taking the time to ask the questions. 383 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:25,860 Here are the answers and understand the project in detail. 384 00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:30,900 If someone chooses to oppose the project without taking advantage of those opportunities, 385 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:36,960 I believe residents should recognize that there was an open invitation to become better informed 386 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,800 before reaching to a final conclusion. Thank you for your time. 387 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,820 The 388 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,800 next register speaker I have is Keith Bullington. 389 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:43,230 I'm so used to coming to this microphone with the podium that just didn't seem right. 390 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:46,370 Anyway 391 00:40:49,150 --> 00:41:00,060 it's good to be here tonight and I have a few matters or issues that I would like 392 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,700 to just briefly mention, 393 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,340 I think that 394 00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:12,820 the City of Brea 395 00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:20,820 needs to have many, many, many 396 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:23,440 more downtown events. 397 00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:37,970 If money becomes a problem, hey, charge a fee for all those who attend. 398 00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:43,480 That's how you collect your funds. 399 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:52,510 Another issue, 400 00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:55,870 the program all 401 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:10,200 in my opinion needs to be renamed the Wayne-Wadeen Mall. 402 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,660 If you have any questions, see me. 403 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:17,360 I 404 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:29,760 mentioned the downtown events sorely needed. 405 00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:45,970 One of the things that need to be held downtown is an event where there's fifties and sixties 406 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:46,490 music. 407 00:42:49,090 --> 00:42:51,930 Bray, I have a lot of seniors whether you know it or not. 408 00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:56,370 I happen to fall into that category. 409 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,560 I can't just automatically go back forty years. 410 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:09,760 So anyway, please give that some thought. 411 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:19,320 Costco, 412 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,900 not sure why we would even debate it. 413 00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:38,850 City of Brea can use the funds that it would generate. 414 00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:45,910 Dwight Manley is 415 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:49,370 not a good businessman. 416 00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,290 He's an excellent businessman, 417 00:43:55,460 --> 00:44:00,840 and he deserves a unanimous goal for it. 418 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,520 The 419 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,740 funds that, like I said, that would be generated would help the city of Braia. 420 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:19,490 The location is ideal and 421 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:31,730 the traffic that would be generated would be pretty scattered and 422 00:44:34,610 --> 00:44:36,730 the city could easily handle it. 423 00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:41,600 Those are my thoughts. 424 00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:47,070 Thank you. 425 00:44:47,350 --> 00:44:47,570 That 426 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,440 concludes all our preregistered speakers and as of right now, we do not have any on Zoom. 427 00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:34,730 Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I heard a few comments related to to Costco as well as transparency, communication, as well as process. So a couple of things I do want to clarify, which I do think some in some prior city council meetings, I verbally ran through, you know, in a nutshell, the summary of what the process is. And so first thing I want to address is the intention of the sign that is there. 428 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:38,570 is merely to inform, so that is a correct statement, 429 00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:40,950 but it also is to connect. 430 00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:44,190 And so there is contact information that is there, 431 00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:48,410 and like Mrs. Strong said, you can be ahead of the process 432 00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:52,910 in asking your questions, submitting comments, 433 00:45:53,370 --> 00:45:56,510 submitting even information to our city planning division, 434 00:45:56,830 --> 00:46:00,050 and that all gets incorporated into the analysis, 435 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:02,350 as well as the public record moving forward, 436 00:46:02,350 --> 00:46:04,570 as that project is further evaluated. 437 00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:06,950 That project from a planning standpoint 438 00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:09,670 as well as a California environmental quality standpoint 439 00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:11,890 is in its very infant stages. 440 00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:16,370 And one of the major milestones that would occur 441 00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:18,610 is what's called a scoping meeting. 442 00:46:19,090 --> 00:46:20,770 And so in that scoping meeting, 443 00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:23,430 that is where generally so I can tell you 444 00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:25,990 for other projects we have actually gone into the community 445 00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,350 and had scoping meetings in the community. 446 00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:31,130 And what that scoping meeting is 447 00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:43,090 This is an open form that connects our technical experts, our city consultants, as well as city staff with the community to hear, it's just comments. 448 00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:57,890 We just hear comments about the project, we hear concerns about the project, and that is yet to be scheduled because the project is still being evaluated from a standard standpoint. 449 00:46:57,890 --> 00:47:12,030 And once that kind of is set in a preliminary way that can move forward in a way that can actually be looked at, reviewed, and then commented on, that's when the scoping meeting would be scheduled. 450 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:23,010 Another comment was related to just making sure, you know, with diversity that we're accessible in any which way we can from a language standpoint. 451 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:31,530 point. So, again, the sign there links to the city's website. In the city's website, 452 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:38,170 we have what's called a projects and process. The entire city website is translated, there's 453 00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:45,670 actually a translation, but on the website, and in the majority of the languages that were 454 00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:50,590 expressed in the letter. So, that is an effort that we do, and then ahead of time, if we do 455 00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:59,390 you know that we have a desired language, we do offer translation, especially as meetings 456 00:47:59,390 --> 00:48:07,910 like school meetings. Appreciate the invitation. I personally would be happy to join. I don't 457 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:13,590 mind adding an extra day of commuting into the city of Braya, but I do want to, and maybe 458 00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:19,890 the city attorney can open on this as well, but I just want to clarify that the project itself 459 00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:22,430 will still have to go through its process. 460 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:25,330 I'm not the decision maker in that process. 461 00:48:25,830 --> 00:48:29,310 And so I'm allowed to actually get into a conversation, 462 00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:35,610 provide information, even though information at this point is fairly limited because we haven't gone through 463 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:39,430 the sequel process and done all of the different analysis. 464 00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:41,470 But I'm happy to do that. 465 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:47,590 I would say appointed and elected officials would strongly be discouraged from that. 466 00:48:47,590 --> 00:48:55,650 that because that potentially could preclude them from actually considering that project when it comes before them so although the application itself 467 00:48:57,170 --> 00:49:12,050 unless appealed only goes to the planning commission if appealed and I would bet my cards that it would be appealed on either side regardless of the decision that most likely will come before the city council and so to give the 468 00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:14,950 the deference to the process itself. 469 00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:24,990 That's where you most likely would not have a appointed or an elected official in an engagement of a project ahead of its consideration for approval. 470 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:30,470 A lot of conversation about traffic and so we don't know. 471 00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:34,490 We don't know what those traffic metrics are going to be. 472 00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:40,210 We don't know what the traffic analysis outcome and conclusions will be because that has yet to occur. 473 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:47,670 So I just want to put that out there that that is part of the California environmental quality act environment impact report process. 474 00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:53,410 And one question was brought up about behaviors, right? 475 00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:58,290 And so that is something that traffic impact analysis do look at is distribution, 476 00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:03,570 behaviors, vehicle trips, congestion, all of those things will be evaluated. 477 00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:33,350 So, again, a little ahead of it, we don't have that information at this time, but that information is forthcoming, and I've made this commitment back when I explained the process that we will be there, we will be engaging, we don't necessarily are going to require you guys to come to us, but there is that opportunity, and that's why the information contact information, is there if you do have questions in the meantime, and we will do our best to address. 478 00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:38,150 So that was my comments mayor in response to the matter from the audience comments. 479 00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:40,390 Okay, thank you for the clarification on that. 480 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:46,550 I've been asked to open the public speaking for one speaker that we missed. 481 00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:52,110 Yes, I'm told that we had a speaker that was registered. 482 00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:53,430 Do I eat mainly? 483 00:51:03,850 --> 00:51:04,290 Thank you. 484 00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:06,610 I'm not sure what happened, but I did sign up in advance. 485 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:16,270 I wanted to try to clarify, because in a way this is a game of whack-a-mole. 486 00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:23,890 But I think that every effort to speak here makes things a little bit clearer for people, even if it's one person at a time. 487 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:33,930 On the comment about $77 million going to the developer, I totally understand the 488 00:51:35,710 --> 00:52:01,130 The thought of that number and just seeing that, but underneath that $77 million over 50 years versus the $140 million cost upfront, I just did quick math with my phone $140 million at 6% over 50 years is $2.5 billion. 489 00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:04,330 It's over two and a half billion dollars. 490 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:07,910 So the compounding of money and how all that works. 491 00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:13,950 I know you can, with semantics and statistics, make things look frightening. 492 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:19,730 And it seems like some people are using that to hammer against the developer or somehow the city. 493 00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:27,390 But the math is incredibly transparent and real. 494 00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:40,490 And it's an incredibly low rate of return, all things annually over 50 years that no other developer was willing to even come close to doing a deal like that. 495 00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:53,310 It's because I love Brea, it's because I think this is a great thing to have in Brea, the last thing that we don't need to ever have to leave the city to give this a go. 496 00:52:53,310 --> 00:53:00,710 to say okay, I'm going to put my money up for years and then decades to hopefully make this happen. 497 00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:10,070 As far as reaching out, Jason knows and staff knows I reached out to Mark Strom directly. 498 00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:19,450 I reached out to Steve Franks directly or actually through a school board member and said, I'm here to meet, I'm happy to meet. 499 00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:28,350 I was rejected repeatedly, country hills, board members, neighbors, happy to meet, after 500 00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:32,830 sticking against the project, I've met them personally, I've met them on the site, 501 00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:37,710 I've walked the site, I've spent hours with them multiple times to their neighborhood, 502 00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:43,070 and it's gone really well, really appreciative of what the facts are. 503 00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:49,390 And just like Craig said, there are things I won't publicly say, but I'll share things 504 00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:53,330 things in private that make this very understandable. 505 00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:59,530 I don't think it takes college education because I don't have one to understand what's 506 00:53:59,530 --> 00:54:00,230 going on here. 507 00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:09,220 But in life and in communities, growth is a necessity to be able to succeed. 508 00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:15,980 In this city, I made a list while I was sitting up there, the high school farm has changed. 509 00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:22,920 The high school has changed, the mall has changed, downtown has changed, the Bank of America 510 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,660 Building is changing, the Unicall Research Center has changed, the Imperial Golf Course, 511 00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:35,380 it's changed, it's gone, Alinda School has changed, South Brea Boulevard has changed, 512 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:42,980 Brea Hospital, gone, changed, the Christmas Tree Farm, gone, changed, all-state Mercury 513 00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:52,320 insurance building changed. Change is inevitable, quality change is important, I agree. We don't want 514 00:54:52,320 --> 00:55:01,960 to have high rises all over the place. This thing could have been a lot of density, something either 515 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:10,280 a lot of people crammed in there or some kind of high occupancy or busy FedEx kind of a center or 516 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,400 something like the Amazon and something that actually benefits the majority of the community 517 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:21,280 or anybody that shops there is a good thing for this city. 518 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:31,080 And most importantly, the repeated comment about the senior center contribution of 5% annually 519 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,500 being pre-baked or some kind of whatever. 520 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:38,160 I have spilled that out on the Facebook page where I've also said I would meet. 521 00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:45,360 That came from a lunch I had with my lender that I bounced it off of him because I've 522 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,960 been repeatedly asked what happens when you die for the seniors and I said I have a solution. 523 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,880 Make this permanent no matter what. 524 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,140 Alive or dead property owned or not, those seniors are going to have that Christmas party 525 00:55:59,140 --> 00:56:03,580 and all those benefits every Friday dollar lunch and so on forever. 526 00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:06,100 And that's how it happened, thank you. 527 00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:06,940 Thank you. 528 00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:09,500 Okay, did we miss anyone else? 529 00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:12,870 No, okay. 530 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:17,550 All right, are there any city manager or city attorney announcements? 531 00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:19,410 Madam Mayor, yes, one quick comment. 532 00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:23,950 I would like to reiterate Mr. Kilibru said earlier about due process rules and 533 00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:29,510 limitations on the ability of elected officials and appointed officials to comment on matters publicly. 534 00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:33,310 When those matters, a project is coming before them in a public hearing setting. 535 00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:36,730 There are strict rules that the courts have imposed. 536 00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:41,010 And if the wrong thing is said, it's perceived as a pre-judgment of the matter, 537 00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:42,830 then the officials can be disqualified. 538 00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:45,850 So it is something we would absolutely discourage the council and 539 00:56:45,850 --> 00:56:47,390 public planning commissioners from doing. 540 00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:50,210 I'm sorry, just clarify that. 541 00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:54,810 So you're saying that not to say anything, but 542 00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:58,090 there's no reason I can't go and have a cup of coffee with the neighbors, is that correct? 543 00:56:58,090 --> 00:56:59,430 Correct, thank you, correct. 544 00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:02,230 Okay, thank you for the clarification. 545 00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:05,390 Are there any council requests or announcements? 546 00:57:06,430 --> 00:57:07,970 I have something to say. 547 00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:12,290 Yes, Keith Fallington brought up Wayne Woodene. 548 00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:15,930 And Wayne Woodene came out with a new book about two months ago. 549 00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:18,410 It's called The Braia, Dividend. 550 00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:22,050 A city manager's story of vision, growth, and connection. 551 00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:26,950 And it's fascinating little book, and it's a quick read. 552 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:32,110 But anyway, he addresses in the front part of it about the lectern here. 553 00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:37,870 He specifically said that it's higher than the staff and the City Council, 554 00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:45,330 which is meant to give the citizen and send a signal that the citizen is above us and above staff. 555 00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:51,370 So I have asked at the last meeting, what is the purpose of the delineators, 556 00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:53,890 and can we have them removed? 557 00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:55,930 Can we at least have a discussion about it, 558 00:57:56,490 --> 00:57:59,070 about why we're blocking the public 559 00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:01,270 from coming down to the lectern, 560 00:58:01,470 --> 00:58:05,030 that Wayne Wadine designed for participation 561 00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:09,430 and of the citizens. 562 00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:12,290 I'll add that at the last May or May or Pro-10 meeting, 563 00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:14,310 we had a discussion with the city manager 564 00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:16,130 and there'll be more information coming. 565 00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:17,530 Perfect, thank you very much. 566 00:58:18,730 --> 00:58:19,250 Anyone else? 567 00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:29,950 I'm sorry, one other thing is that upstairs in the study session we had a presentation on a potential lease agreement and a new contract for the city attorney. 568 00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:42,210 And in that discussion, there was some progress made on the contract language that is beneficial to the city. 569 00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:48,850 However, there's still an outstanding debt of $200,000 in travel expenses that was not authorized 570 00:58:49,390 --> 00:58:52,550 and is still outstanding and is not going to be addressed. 571 00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:55,890 I think that I would like to continue that discussion. 572 00:58:55,950 --> 00:59:03,490 We'll have a discussion on that on August 18th, but I just think it's wrong that we keep on going back to the city. 573 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:08,450 The people and the business, I'm talking to the people, the business community. 574 00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:13,210 The outside council indicated that you were wrong, and that's a contingent. 575 00:59:13,630 --> 00:59:31,150 Outside council, as a matter of fact, said that I was right, and that the billing for travel time is inappropriate, and it's no longer in the contract, as a matter of fact, which is a validation that it should have never been put. 576 00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:42,890 She also stated that our former city manager left that go and there was culpability on both sides and the chances of us prevailing in a lawsuit are very, very slim. 577 00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:49,030 So would you have us waste the community's money in a fruitless lawsuit? 578 00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:56,030 I'm going to add, the fact that you wanted to brag to us that you sued the city prior and that you could do it again? 579 00:59:56,270 --> 00:59:57,510 I'm sorry. I mean, you're wrong. 580 00:59:57,810 --> 00:59:59,270 I never said that I'm going to sue the city. 581 00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:59,970 I've decided... 582 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,880 So the city prior, why would you bring that up? We don't need to get into it. We're going to have the discussion further. My point is, is that we keep on going back to the citizens and increasing their rates. We go to the business community. We go to the business community increased their rates. Steve, we have not raised rates on the community. Okay, we're adjourned.