1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,080 I make a 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,400 >> Okay, 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,000 >> I'll make a motion to approve me or the 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,480 notes. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,280 >> Second. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,960 >> Okay. All in favor say I. 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,160 >> I. 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:25,269 >> Okay. Minutes are approved. 9 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:27,519 Thank you. I did something right over 10 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:29,599 there today. 11 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:31,760 Okay, our first case tonight is case 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,670 2026-5. 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,879 This is a 14 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:42,160 variance to reduce a setback at 2898 15 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:45,120 Washington Boulevard. 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,920 Do we have the petitioner Nicholas 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,000 Garcia here tonight? Would you like to 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,440 come up and just introduce yourself and 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,480 explain to us what you're doing? 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,680 >> Yeah. Um, so I'm Nicholas Garcia. I'm 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,000 actually the project manager on this uh 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,359 redevelopment project that we have 23 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,240 going. Um, at that location, it's the 24 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,600 old Redhanger laundromat. Um, basically 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,119 what the concept is is that we're 26 00:01:11,119 --> 00:01:14,000 building out a 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,840 like a basically a business center for 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,600 entrepreneurs. They can come together. 29 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,159 So, it's a a group of entrepreneurs that 30 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:22,159 bought the building. Um they're going to 31 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:23,840 use it for basically personal business 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,840 space where they can hold meetings, 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,119 small gatherings. Um and then we are are 34 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:31,439 putting in a addition for like a pickle 35 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:33,759 ball court for private use basically on 36 00:01:33,759 --> 00:01:37,119 the site um on the 37 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:38,799 see the south side of the building. And 38 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:40,240 that's where we're coming into the issue 39 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,240 with with some of the setbacks is 40 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,520 meeting the city code for uh parking 41 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,240 stalls um to basically make up the 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,439 amount of square footage that that 43 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,439 addition would bring it up to. 44 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:59,920 >> Great. Great. Do we have any questions? 45 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,000 >> We don't have any questions at this 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 time. We'll allow the city to tell us 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,280 what their findings were. 48 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,319 >> Okay. Thank you. 49 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:14,949 >> Thanks. 50 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:17,040 » Hello everyone. 51 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,599 This uh is a request for variance to 52 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,239 reduce the east or the rear yard setback 53 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:25,920 in the regional commercial zone of CP3 54 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,270 at 2898 Washington Boulevard. 55 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,040 This is uh there are three parcels 56 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,760 and this is located in the east central 57 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,640 community plan. This is the location map 58 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,040 of where this is at. So it's the 59 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,480 northeast corner of Washington and 29th. 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,319 And the applicant is requesting a 61 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:52,879 variance to reduce the rear yard setback 62 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,920 from 10 feet to 5 feet on the east 63 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,640 property line located at that address. 64 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,360 Under the com regional commercial site 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,760 development stand standards, there are 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,519 no front or sideyard facing a street uh 67 00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:12,080 setbacks. 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,560 But if there's a parking lot, they are 69 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,920 required to maintain a 15t sideyard 70 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,720 facing a street setback. 71 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,760 The same is uh for the rear. There isn't 72 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,080 a setback unless there's a parking lot 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,760 at wi in which case um a 10- foot 74 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,120 landscape buffer is required because the 75 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,200 site is adjacent to the R2EC 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,030 residential zone. 77 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,280 These are the three parcels that will 78 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,599 need to be combined before any permits 79 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:49,280 or um 80 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,750 reviews are issued. 81 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,280 The building was built in 1954 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,120 and was the former Redhanger building. 83 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,599 It's been vacant since about 2019. 84 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:08,720 The existing canopy, you can barely see 85 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,400 it in that picture, but there's an 86 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,560 existing canopy that will be demolished, 87 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,920 and this will be for private office uh 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,150 building space. 89 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,749 When we're looking at the 90 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:28,560 criteria for variance, we're looking at 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,400 Utah State Code 109A72. 92 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:38,070 And these are the five criteria. 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,560 This is a picture of the proposed site 94 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,960 plan. 95 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,320 The literal 10-foot rear yard setback 96 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,759 would create an unreasonable hardship by 97 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,320 eliminating those nine parking stalls on 98 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,960 the east side. 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,280 Uh these nine spaces are needed to serve 100 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,759 the proposed use. 101 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,400 The location of the existing building 102 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,320 restricts the amount of usable space on 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,479 uh both those areas to the south and the 104 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:11,919 east. 105 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:14,479 Because of the foot 15 foot sideyard 106 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:17,199 setback that's required along 29th 107 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,840 Street, there isn't enough room for 108 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,960 parking and maneuver maneuverability of 109 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,400 that. So the parking is being moved to 110 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,440 the east side. 111 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,840 Reducing the rear yard set back from 10 112 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,199 to 5 feet would provide sufficient space 113 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,919 for parking stalls as well as that 114 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:41,110 maneuvering. 115 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,199 The 10-foot 116 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:48,000 setback is required to provide screening 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,840 and to mitigate the impacts of 118 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,360 development adjacent to residential zone 119 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,800 property. 120 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,199 This setback is intended to reduce 121 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,919 effects of lighting, noise, privacy 122 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:03,199 concerns, visual impacts, and access 123 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:06,000 restriction. 124 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Because the applicant is requesting to 125 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,120 reduce the required setback from 10 to 126 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,120 5t, installation of a solid wood, vinyl, 127 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,680 or masonry fence is required along with 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,280 a densely planted landscaped area. This 129 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,160 is a picture of the residential directly 130 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,319 adjacent to the red hangar location. 131 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:34,160 This is an example of what that uh 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,759 buffer could look like. Uh I chose the 133 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,759 solid wood fence, but they have the 134 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:43,199 option to do either vinyl or masonry and 135 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,960 then evergreen planting along that side. 136 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,199 As you can tell, uh the picture on the 137 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,840 right shows a closeup of that parking 138 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,400 that will be located on the east side. 139 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,440 This will need to have curb and gutter 140 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,479 because that'll keep everything in its 141 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:03,599 place and provide a parking stop for 142 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:09,909 those parked cars. 143 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:14,000 This former Redhanger site has existed 144 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 for quite a long time. 145 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,560 and has been vacant for almost as long 146 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,880 since 2019. 147 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,759 The reuse of an existing building 148 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:27,680 presents challenges and special 149 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,840 circumstances that others in the same 150 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,240 zone do not have. The existing location 151 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,960 of the building on the site is a special 152 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,000 circumstance attached to the property as 153 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,720 this limits compliance with the current 154 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:48,469 zoning ordinance. 155 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:50,560 When we're looking at all the different 156 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,479 types of criteria that we have to look 157 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:54,160 at, we want to make sure that the 158 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 general plan 159 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,479 that the variance is consistent with the 160 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:02,479 general plan and is 161 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:05,680 not contrary to public interests. 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,960 The general plan because it facilitates 163 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,840 the occupancy of adaptive reuse of an 164 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,960 existing vacant commercial building as a 165 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,360 private office is consistent with the 166 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,919 goal of for found in the general plan 167 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:22,319 14B8 168 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:25,919 which is to encourage the preservation 169 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:28,800 and reuse of vacant buildings whenever 170 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,240 possible. And this will be one of those 171 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,159 reuses. 172 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,959 The produ proposed reduction to the east 173 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:39,519 side rear yard setback will continue to 174 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,080 provide that landscape buffer between 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,440 the commercial property and the 176 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,200 residential property. The solid wood 177 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,480 vinyl or masonry fence will provide that 178 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,920 screening that's required along this 179 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,200 property line. In addition, the 180 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,320 redevelopment of the vacant building 181 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,240 and the site will promote ongoing 182 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,000 maintenance 183 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,600 investment in the property and this is 184 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,240 not contrary to public interests. This 185 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,920 is exactly what we want. 186 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,560 The spirit of the zoning ordinance is 187 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,200 observed because the reduced setback 188 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,279 still require still provides that 189 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,560 required buffer and the screening and 190 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:26,640 substantial justice is achieved by 191 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,279 allowing reasonable not uh modification 192 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:32,000 of the site development standards 193 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,440 for the re regional commercial zone. It 194 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,519 maintains the intent of the setback 195 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:40,160 requirement and supports the productive 196 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,630 reuse of vacant property. 197 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,560 Therefore, staff recommends approval of 198 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,399 the variance to reduce the required 199 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:51,519 10-ft rear yard setback buffer on the 200 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:54,240 east side to 5 ft for a private office 201 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,000 located at 2898 Washington Boulevard on 202 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,080 the following condition. 203 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,399 that they install a solid wood, vinyl, 204 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,040 or masonry fence along the east property 205 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,279 line and the five- foot setback to 206 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,279 include dense planting of evergreen 207 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,839 shrubs, trees that will create that 208 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:14,320 buffer for the adjoining residential 209 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,200 neighbor. Are there any questions? 210 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,519 >> I just want you mentioned that you're 211 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:23,360 putting the curb in as a curb stop so 212 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,279 the cars don't roll over. you the curb 213 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,760 you the the hood of a car or the fronts 214 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,959 of cars will still go into the 215 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:32,880 landscaping though. Will you actually 216 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,120 have a curb stop a little before the 217 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 >> There there might be that requirement. 218 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,870 >> Okay. 219 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,399 » And that'll be done through the site 220 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,829 plan review. 221 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:48,160 » So I'm fine with the east side of it. 222 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,560 The pickle ball court itself is going 223 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,880 out on the corner where that porch 224 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,360 basically is. So, if we look at the 225 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,839 proposed addition that's located in the 226 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:01,600 south part of that site, that's where 227 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,600 the court will go. 228 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,440 >> And the the five foot setback is from 229 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,959 the curb or I mean, excuse me, from the 230 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:07,839 sidewalk 231 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:10,800 >> from the east property line 232 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,440 >> is the five foot setback. This court is 233 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,720 sitting how close to the sidewalk. So, 234 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,600 there's no requirement for buildings to 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,680 have a setback for the front or the 236 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,160 sideyard. Only the parking lot requires 237 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,399 a setback in that regional commercial 238 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:26,959 zone. 239 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:28,240 >> Okay. So, we still have a pickle ball 240 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,480 court on this corner, though. That's 3 241 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,240 feet from the sidewalk. 242 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,040 >> Mhm. 243 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,440 >> And there's a fence up on that. 244 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,399 >> Um 245 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:37,680 >> I mean corner, you can't have a fence. 246 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:38,480 So, it's got to have some 247 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,959 >> It'll be enclosed. Pardon me. It'll be 248 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:42,000 enclosed. 249 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,279 >> It's going to be enclosed into the 250 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:43,839 building. 251 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:53,829 >> Yes. 252 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:56,079 So, there's no setback requirement for a 253 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:58,880 solid building on a corner lot. 254 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,360 >> No, there 255 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,160 >> off that. Okay. 256 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,920 I was big as sure was inside or outside. 257 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,279 I was like, that seems odd, but okay, 258 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:05,839 great. 259 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:07,760 >> Yep. It if you were to look in the 260 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,880 report, um I did provide some elevations 261 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,880 of what that will look like. So that 262 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,200 taller section of the building will be 263 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,639 the uh sports court. 264 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:19,839 >> Excellent. 265 00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:23,519 >> Great. Any other questions? 266 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:29,509 >> Thank you. 267 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,360 » Are there any interested parties that 268 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,839 would like to speak regarding this? 269 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:36,000 >> Mr. Chair, you could only have the 270 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,680 applicant speak and other people. 271 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,440 >> First mistake. 272 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,600 >> Yeah. Okay, great. Okay. Uh, do we have 273 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,230 any motion? 274 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,560 Well, I I'm morally opposed to pickle 275 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,839 ball, but I'll I'll move [laughter] 276 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:57,519 that we approve the variance and find 277 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:59,680 that the literal enforcement of the land 278 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,120 use ordinance would cause an 279 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,360 unreasonable hardship, that there are 280 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,440 special cons circumstances attached to 281 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,600 the property, that granting the variance 282 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,360 is essential to the enjoyment of the 283 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,120 substantial property right possessed by 284 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,639 other property in the same zone, that 285 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:14,639 the variance will not substantially 286 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:17,040 affect the general plan or be contrary 287 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,959 to the public interest, and that the 288 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:20,880 spirit of the zoning ordinance is 289 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,040 observed and substantial justice is 290 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,120 done. Uh along with the condition uh 291 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,959 proposed by staff that a wood fence and 292 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,600 landscaping uh be placed in the 5- foot 293 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,079 setback area. 294 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:36,800 >> Great. 295 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,000 >> I'll second the motion. 296 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,720 >> Second. So, we have a motion to approve 297 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,279 by board member Lance Evans 298 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:48,720 and a motion to and a second by board 299 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,949 member Scott Lson. 300 00:13:52,959 --> 00:13:53,839 » Roll call. 301 00:13:53,839 --> 00:13:55,279 >> Chair Caspersonson. 302 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:58,790 >> Yes. 303 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,560 » Board member Evans. 304 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,120 >> Yes. 305 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,399 >> Board member Larson. 306 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:03,199 >> Yes. 307 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:08,000 >> Okay, you're good to go. Thank you. 308 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,959 Okay. 309 00:14:10,959 --> 00:14:14,639 Our second item of business is 310 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:18,079 case 2026-6. 311 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:21,040 And this is a variance to allow outdoor 312 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,639 storage on an adjacent lot at 1877 West 313 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,680 2800 South for Connect. Do we have the 314 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,360 petitioner? 315 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Please come forward and just tell us 316 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,959 exactly what you're doing. give us your 317 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,680 name. And 318 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,600 >> good afternoon. My name is Matthew Brown 319 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,480 and I'm representing Connect LLC today. 320 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Um, we're an internet service provider 321 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,920 and we're bu building fiber optic 322 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,760 infrastructure and we're building Augen 323 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,040 City currently, which you guys might 324 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,639 hate us for that, but but um and we have 325 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:56,560 over 100 employees. The majority of 326 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,959 those employees actually currently um 327 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:02,399 working in Ogden City right now. Um, 328 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:04,399 this is actually our our new 329 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:05,760 headquarters. We're trying to make it 330 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,199 our new headquarter location. Um we're 331 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:12,079 leasing space that um across multiple 332 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,720 parcels. So our our headquarters office 333 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,399 space, you know, and then there's the 334 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,800 yard and then there's an annex building. 335 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,560 And so we're essentially leasing 336 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,600 property across four contiguous um 337 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,320 parcels. And that's where the issue is 338 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,279 arisen from a site plan standpoint. And 339 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:32,240 so this is just a a narrow request. 340 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,079 We're not requesting a zoning change, 341 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:36,959 new construction, or a new use. We are 342 00:15:36,959 --> 00:15:38,480 requesting relief from the application 343 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,160 of OMC 15-23-5 344 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,279 uh B1 so this longestablished industrial 345 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,040 site can continue operating without 346 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,279 requiring additional parcel 347 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,040 consolidation. 348 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,759 It's essentially the gist of it. 349 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:55,519 I just wanted to say thank you though to 350 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:58,399 the board and also for Jennifer the 351 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:01,440 staff here at Aug City for the help that 352 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,040 they've given us in getting this 353 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,360 application submitted and getting to 354 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,880 where we are right now. So thank you for 355 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:07,519 your time. 356 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:09,920 >> Great. You have any questions for me 357 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:10,720 before? 358 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,600 >> I don't I don't have any questions. 359 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,560 Okay. Thank you. The city like to give 360 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,030 us our findings. 361 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,199 » All right. So, our second item is a 362 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:25,519 request to allow outdoor storage in the 363 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:28,560 front yard of an adjacent lot for 364 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Connects LLC 365 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,560 at 1877 West 2800 South. 366 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,160 There are three lots um that Connects 367 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,360 will be using for outdoor storage. The 368 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,240 property is located in the Ogden 369 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,440 commercial industrial park zone and the 370 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,360 parcel that they are requesting the 371 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,440 variance on is approximately 1822 West 372 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,120 29th Street. This is what it uh on the 373 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,519 location map it's pointing pointing to 374 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:07,029 that particular parcel. 375 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,280 The request for the variance is to allow 376 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,919 outdoor storage in the front yard se uh 377 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:15,120 front yard of an adjacent lot without 378 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,919 requiring additional parcel combinations 379 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:22,549 or subdivision action. 380 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,559 This is a picture of the proposed layout 381 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,480 of where they're going to be placing 382 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,720 their storage. This is marked in red. 383 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,679 So that parcel 0014 384 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:37,679 shows the two areas that they're going 385 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:40,480 to be storing. And then in the rear of 386 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,880 that property is the um annex building 387 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,750 or the storage warehouse type building. 388 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,360 The green indicates uh where landscaping 389 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,240 will be required. 390 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,720 uh connects as a fiber internet service 391 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,240 provider 392 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,080 for the surrounding area and the 393 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,960 proposed use is classified as a general 394 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,240 contractor use in accordance with Ogden 395 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,600 MUN municipal code section 15235B 396 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,120 where outdoor storage is permitted. It 397 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,840 is it must be located either to the side 398 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,360 or the rear of the principal building. 399 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,360 Outdoor storage must not exceed the 400 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,320 height of a the required screened fence 401 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,760 which is seven feet tall. 402 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,120 And the 403 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,160 uh height of the fence must be screened 404 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,600 to minimize potential negative impacts 405 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,240 from views of the rightway. So, as 406 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,440 people are driving down 1900 West or 407 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,720 2900 South, they're not seeing that 408 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,029 outdoor storage. 409 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:03,120 The shed building was approved in 2002. 410 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,480 This is the three parcels. 411 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,520 So the three parcels are owned by 412 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,559 different railbrite members 413 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:15,200 and they don't wish to consolidate 414 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,520 because the site already functions as 415 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,470 one industrial site. 416 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,880 This structure that was approved back in 417 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,480 2002. 418 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,799 Uh this is the site plan for that 419 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,559 approval. 420 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,360 And at that time they were supposed to 421 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,799 put in the 20ft set sideyard facing a 422 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,840 street setback. So that's 2900 south on 423 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,600 the south side. That was supposed to be 424 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 um the setback that was supposed to have 425 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,600 landscaping. 426 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,440 This was never done. So this would be a 427 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,919 requirement for the approval of the 428 00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:57,830 variance. 429 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,160 When we're looking at those requests for 430 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,960 variances, we have to look at Utah State 431 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,440 Code 109A702. 432 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:12,070 And these are the five criteria. 433 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,600 The applicant's operational needs 434 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,000 require the storage area to be located 435 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,799 on the adjacent parcels 436 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:24,400 and strict application of the ordinance 437 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440 would prevent the use of that land as it 438 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,000 is leased area. 439 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Granting the variance would allow for 440 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,640 that outdoor storage 441 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,200 and would allow the property to be used 442 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,400 in a manner that is consistent with the 443 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,159 surrounding industrial and commercial 444 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:43,679 areas 445 00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:45,840 while maintaining the intent of the 446 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,080 ordinance. 447 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,960 So this is a picture of what that fence 448 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,240 looks like right now and the storage. 449 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,520 This will have to be moved um and 20 450 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,240 feet will have to be measured out from 451 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,919 that fence because that's where the 452 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,559 property line is. That will have to be 453 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,880 landscaped and the fence would have to 454 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,480 have privacy slats. This will be uh a 455 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,200 way to mitigate that outdoor outdoor 456 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,669 space. 457 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:21,120 So, as we're looking at the three 458 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,159 contiguous parcels that are being used, 459 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:28,400 ConX rents the uh or leases the building 460 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,760 up on the northeast corner and then they 461 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,000 have used the storage of parcel 11 in 462 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,360 the back for some of their equipment. 463 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,720 and they're requesting the sto outdoor 464 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,710 storage for lot 0014. 465 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,640 The property is relatively flat and it 466 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,799 has a standard rectangular 467 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:58,159 configuration. It's not um doesn't 468 00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:01,840 really have this physical constraints. 469 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,799 The accessory storage shed is located at 470 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,679 the rear of that parcel and the 471 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:11,280 remainder of the parcel remains vacant. 472 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,559 The applicant currently leases all those 473 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,760 areas that are shown in red. 474 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,159 Um the requested variance would allow 475 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,679 that outdoor storage. 476 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:26,480 Although they're separate legal lots, 477 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,280 they do function together. 478 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,240 This is the unique circumstance attached 479 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,200 to the property 480 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,440 uh that 481 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,240 limits the applicant's ability to have 482 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,760 outdoor storage if literal enforcement 483 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,760 of that 484 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,159 ordinance were to be enforced. 485 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:53,200 So by allowing that storage in the front 486 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520 set back that um that would allow them 487 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,159 to utilize that property 488 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:03,679 in the best way possible 489 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:06,240 even though the site doesn't contain a 490 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,320 principal building. The outdoor storage 491 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,640 standards would effect effectively 492 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,720 prevent the applicant from using the 493 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,159 parcel for outdoor storage. They require 494 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,799 quite a bit of outdoor storage and they 495 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:25,270 need this amount of space. 496 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Despite it functioning as an overall 497 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,200 industrial site, the 498 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,960 um 499 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,280 the outdoor storage standards would 500 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,280 prevent the applicant from using it the 501 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,559 way they need to. 502 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,600 The purpose of the Ogden 503 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,760 commercial industrial park is to provide 504 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,440 attractive and safe environments for 505 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,000 manufacturing enterprises, research 506 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,640 laboratories, warehousing and 507 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280 distribution wholesalers. 508 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,679 The zone is intended to maintain a 509 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,559 unified and coordinated appearance for 510 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,240 development 511 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,360 uh visible from public streets. So this 512 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:11,120 is a view of from 1900 west. 513 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,520 Um it's a little hard to see but there 514 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,400 is no screening on that side that faces 515 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,440 2900 south. 516 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,159 So the 20ft sideyard facing a street 517 00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:25,600 setback would be required as well as the 518 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,400 privacy slats for this use. 519 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,960 Another 520 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,159 factor that needs to be considered is 521 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,960 the fact that these three parcels are 522 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,400 separate. Therefore, they would require 523 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440 a cross access easement. So, this is an 524 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,520 easement that is recorded that allows 525 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,000 legal it's a legal agreement between 526 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,440 property owners to allow shared access 527 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480 along property lines. So this would 528 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,400 allow them to cross those property lines 529 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,240 and ensures uh that it is recorded and 530 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,520 permanent access rights are in place. 531 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,279 So rather than having a potential 532 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,240 buyer for one of those separate parcels 533 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,679 and they don't want to give access to 534 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:27,120 that to conx or connects um by recording 535 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,000 those cross accessments 536 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,360 we're ensuring that that gets um 537 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,159 recorded and make sure that that's in 538 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:40,710 place. 539 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,559 Staff recommends approval for the 540 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,799 variance to allow outdoor storage in the 541 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:50,310 front yard parcel of 15-109-000014 542 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,799 on the following conditions. The 543 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,520 required 20ft sideyard facing a street 544 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,480 setback be densely landscaped and the 545 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,039 fence be fitted with privacy slats to 546 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,520 minimize the visibility from the public 547 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,279 way. And then the second is to record 548 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,080 cross-axis easements for all three 549 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,840 parcels with Weber County. 550 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000 Are there any questions? 551 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,159 >> Yeah. So will Rights are hold going to 552 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,320 keep retain ownership. This is a lease 553 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,320 situation. Is there access from the 554 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,640 south or is it only from the north? 555 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,559 >> There is access from the south. They're 556 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,720 not going to be using the access to the 557 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,279 south. If you were to look in the lower 558 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,000 souththeast corner, there is an approach 559 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,480 there. 560 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,039 >> Okay. 561 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,279 >> So, that's a possibility, but 562 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:40,640 >> but not planning on it. 563 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,400 >> They're not planning on it. They're 564 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,159 >> the current the current fence is not 20 565 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:45,760 ft back. So, they need to replace the 566 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,440 fence or move the fence. 567 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760 >> Um the fence is right on the property 568 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,880 line. So, that would need to be have 569 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520 privacy slats on it. So the 570 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,400 >> behind it, yeah, behind it would be the 571 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480 20 foot setback that would have the 572 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,440 landscaping. 573 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,120 >> So they could do landscaping in front of 574 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,720 and behind the fence. 575 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,880 >> There is landscaping already in front of 576 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,720 the fence. There's some 577 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,440 >> questionable 578 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,400 >> some Yeah, there are some trees there, 579 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,480 but not enough to screen the outdoor 580 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,760 storage. 581 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,440 >> So the requirement is for them to 582 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,000 install more landscaping. Ex. 583 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,120 >> Yes. 584 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,400 >> Okay. 585 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,919 So, the current fence can stay where 586 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:26,559 it's at and have the slashes put in. 587 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,919 >> Yeah. Okay, 588 00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,120 >> that's correct. 589 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:29,679 >> Great. 590 00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:32,400 >> Does that make sense? So, the the fence 591 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960 will have privacy slats and then behind 592 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240 it there will be some more um 593 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,440 landscaping. Landscaping is required in 594 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,750 all setbacks. 595 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,039 How long uh will the I mean this is 596 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,400 going to run with the land, right? This 597 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:52,960 variance. 598 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,679 >> This will run with the land. Yes. 599 00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:58,000 >> And so they have a lease between all 600 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,440 three property owners. 601 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,240 >> Mhm. 602 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,919 >> They'll have an easement with all three 603 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:03,360 property owners, but we're not going to 604 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,520 join the parcels together. 605 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,559 >> They do not want to. And this was the 606 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,039 option that was 607 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:11,679 >> okay 608 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,640 >> was what they took. And if when if 609 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,159 connects goes away, they'll maintain 610 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,240 this right to just keep using this as 611 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,320 outdoor storage. 612 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,480 >> Um 613 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,590 probably 614 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,120 » it's in perpetuity. Really doesn't mean 615 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,559 it has to stay there forever. 616 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,960 >> Well, they'd have the right to keep it. 617 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,360 So we're we're granting the right in 618 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,159 perpetuity. 619 00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:40,310 >> Yes. 620 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,559 » Thank you. They do have to have a 621 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,880 business here in Ogden. They can't just 622 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,919 use it the the parcel for storage. If 623 00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:51,279 they go somewhere else, that that's got 624 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,159 to have some sort of connection to the 625 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:58,000 business. And this is, you know, just 626 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,960 using the site as it is normally being 627 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880 used. 628 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,600 >> It's how it's being used today. Yeah. 629 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,760 >> Thank you. Anything 630 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,960 else from the petitioner? 631 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,240 >> I'm trying not to get stuck on the 632 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,360 principle of it. 633 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,440 >> One thing I wanted to I mean she kind of 634 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,200 talked about it already, but talking 635 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,799 about how the south there was an 636 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,520 entrance or on the southeast corner. 637 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,520 It's not even hard surface coming in. So 638 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,120 it's actually never really even been 639 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,200 used in a network 640 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,520 which I think kind of supports the the 641 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240 continuous parcels and the integrated 642 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,480 you know side of the entire all the part 643 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,399 combined together that kind of supports 644 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,720 that was our intention when we we did 645 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,600 this oh this is perfect 646 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,960 just to point that out it doesn't even 647 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,720 have a hard hard driveway coming into 648 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,480 >> the approach the approach doesn't exist 649 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,320 necessarily the right to use is there 650 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,159 but no approach 651 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:57,679 >> we just kind of thought, "Oh, that is 652 00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,200 the backyard, you know, kind of thing." 653 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760 But when it came down to the the 654 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760 specifics, then that's when it came up 655 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,320 that was front yard. 656 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,840 >> Maybe not that all that pertinent, but 657 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,279 what kind of lease are you signing with 658 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,960 them time frame wise? 659 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,720 >> Okay. 660 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,919 >> With right to renew or 661 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,360 >> Yes. 662 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,669 >> Right. Okay. 663 00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:25,679 Any other questions? 664 00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,720 Anybody want to make a move? 665 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,840 >> Well, if we want to roll back to our 666 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,230 five criteria, I'm happy to make a move. 667 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200 » All right. I propose that uh based on 668 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,240 the uh to grant the variance based on 669 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,720 the literal enforcement of the land use 670 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,159 ordinance would cause an unreasonable 671 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:47,679 hardship for the applicant. That is not 672 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:48,960 necessary to carry out the general 673 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,120 purpose of the ordinance. Two, there are 674 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,799 no spe there are special circumstance 675 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,159 attached to the property. do not 676 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:55,520 generally apply to other properties in 677 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,840 the same zone. Three, granting the 678 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,679 variance is essential to the enjoyment 679 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:01,279 of a substantial property right 680 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:02,720 possessed by other properties in the 681 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,120 same zone. Four, the variance will not 682 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,640 substantially affect the general plan 683 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,399 and will not be contrary to the public 684 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,159 interest. And five, the spirit of the 685 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:11,679 zoning ordinance is observed and 686 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,919 substantial justice is done along with 687 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,799 the caveat of uh the two uh uh 688 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,120 guidelines from staff that there is a 689 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:25,919 20ft uh um setback with the um densely 690 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:28,480 landscaped uh privacy being put in there 691 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,799 and the privacy slats into the fence as 692 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,120 well. The cross access easements for all 693 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,360 three realight properties be in place 694 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080 and recorded. 695 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,480 Do I hear a second? 696 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,440 >> I'll second. 697 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,120 >> Okay. 698 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,200 Motion to approve has been made by board 699 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,399 member Larson and a second by board 700 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,399 member Evans. 701 00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:51,840 >> Chairperson. 702 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,679 >> Yes. 703 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,509 >> Board member Evans. 704 00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:58,640 » Yes. 705 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,399 >> Board member Larson. 706 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:04,559 >> Yes. Okay. You're good to go. It's been 707 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,760 approved. Thank you. 708 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,240 Okay, our 709 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,360 third one today is 710 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960 case number 2026-7. 711 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,080 Variance from the business exchange 712 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,600 historical parking lot setbacks for the 713 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,159 >> Exchange building located at 600 West 714 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:27,760 Exchange Road. 715 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,760 >> Is the applicant here? Would you like to 716 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,590 tell us what you're doing? 717 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,519 » State your name, please. 718 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,240 My name is Thane Fischer and I am the uh 719 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,399 developer for the acting developer for 720 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:44,559 the exchange building. Uh and we are 721 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,960 basically trying to get parking has it 722 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,519 historically represented in the building 723 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,360 uh and have the access public access to 724 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,519 the front of the building as well as our 725 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,640 handicap and ADA access to the front as 726 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760 well. And so currently the setbacks do 727 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240 not allow that. Uh for us to give a 728 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,240 public access to the building without 729 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 putting public access around the side or 730 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,679 the back which it has never historically 731 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,480 been the primary access point. Uh we are 732 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,039 making this request. 733 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,760 >> Great. Thank you. 734 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,320 Any questions? 735 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,960 >> No. 736 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,943 questions. You're good. Perfect. 737 00:33:26,943 --> 00:33:32,630 [laughter] 738 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,679 All right, this is an exciting project. 739 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,840 I'm sure all of you are familiar with 740 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,200 the Exchange building 741 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,640 and this is located at approximately 600 742 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,919 West Exchange Road. 743 00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:52,480 The building was built around 1931 744 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,480 and the site is about 1.8 of an acre. 745 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,640 The building will have approximately 746 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,679 16,800 square feet. It'll be a two-story 747 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:03,760 building restored. 748 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480 It's currently vacant, but it will be 749 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,679 restored as office space. And this is 750 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,030 the location map to the right. 751 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,679 The applicant is requesting a variance 752 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,960 to reduce the business exchange historic 753 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,200 setbacks to 10 ft for the site. 754 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,480 The um exchange building is locally 755 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,399 significant. 756 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:33,760 Uh it's a historic resource that is 757 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,159 associated with our livestock in 758 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,200 industry and it's contribution to our 759 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,879 economic 760 00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,839 uh development for Ogden City. This 761 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:47,839 building is a art deco design 762 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:50,240 and the building f features brick 763 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:55,440 veneer, cast concrete and terracotta. 764 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,800 The detailing reflects the prominence 765 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,320 that the Ogden Union stockyards and its 766 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040 role on the livestock industry. This is 767 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,280 a picture of what that layout looked 768 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,000 like. So, in the front there was 769 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,680 landscaping 770 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,040 um and then a driveway and then the 771 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,440 parking in the front and to the east 772 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,160 side and then the stock yards are 773 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,800 located in the back. 774 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,320 Um 775 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,560 the business exchange historical zone is 776 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,800 a special district. 777 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,839 It's surrounded or the main focal point 778 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,800 is the business exchange building. This 779 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,240 is a historic resource that creates the 780 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,920 opportunity to preserve that history 781 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000 of the area while allowing for 782 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,760 developments and compatible uses such as 783 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,960 industrial research like manufacturing 784 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,119 and the like. And the district is 785 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,200 intended to interpret the history of 786 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,670 earlier developments of the area. 787 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,960 the proposed redevelopment to restore 788 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,480 the building's historic character while 789 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,560 adapting it for office use. The This is 790 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200 what it looks like. It's probably in 791 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,079 worse disrepair than 792 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,160 this picture. [laughter] 793 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,160 Uh last time I checked it had more 794 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160 crumbling to it. 795 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,839 Um the building is currently vacant and 796 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,800 the pro proposed site plan includes 797 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,960 about 96 95 parking stalls 798 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,760 with minimal landscaping. 799 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,200 Uh the parking layout will uh require 800 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,920 revisions to its layout. The picture to 801 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,800 the left shows where they're proposing 802 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,400 parking and the additional parking to 803 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,400 the east and to the north. 804 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200 So, in this drawing, they did not 805 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,960 address the ADA. That will have to be um 806 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,079 included in the site plan. 807 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,079 Um 808 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,000 for that number of parking styles, it 809 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,400 would require about four ADA parking 810 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,829 spaces. 811 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:22,960 When we're looking at the 812 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,440 granting of a variance to reduce that 813 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,520 setback 814 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,400 to 10 ft for the front and the sideyard 815 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480 facing a street, we have to consider the 816 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,720 five criteria. 817 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,800 And these are the the five criteria 818 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:45,030 listed in 109A72. 819 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,160 The literal enforcement of the 25- foot 820 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,720 front yard setback and the 20 foot 821 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,680 sideyard setback would create an 822 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,880 unreasonable hardship by eliminating 823 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,599 substantial um functioning parking area 824 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,560 along the exchange road frontage. 825 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,240 Historically, parking has been located 826 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,640 in the front of the building and along 827 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,880 its east side. 828 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,880 Due to the location of the historic 829 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,800 building um on the site and the required 830 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,160 setbacks, opportunities to relocate that 831 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,880 parking to other areas of the property 832 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,520 are limited. 833 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,400 A factor that has to be considered is 834 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,880 historically there has been landscaping 835 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000 also in front uh of the building. So 836 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480 right up next to the to the front facade 837 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,720 of the building there has always been 838 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,200 landscaping. 839 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,040 The 840 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,359 as a condition of approval for the 841 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,960 variance to reduce those setbacks. 842 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,079 staff is recommending that a 10-foot 843 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,839 landscaped area be installed in front of 844 00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:01,359 the building and on both sides of the 845 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:03,440 front of the stairs. So, if you look at 846 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,599 this picture, you can see the stairs 847 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,400 that lead up to the front three glass 848 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480 panes. There's um landscaping on either 849 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,480 side of that. 850 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,440 So, we're requiring a reduction of that 851 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,960 and having at least a 10-foot setback 852 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160 that will provide that landscaping in 853 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,150 addition to that parking. 854 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,800 With that landscaping, 855 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,760 the modification of the parking lot 856 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,119 would have to be done. 857 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,200 This is an example of what it could look 858 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,760 like. So, we have two approaches going 859 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,040 in towards the front and some parallel 860 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,400 parking stalls in front of the 10-ft 861 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,520 landscaped area. The areas shown in 862 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,240 green show where landscaping should be 863 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,320 installed. 864 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560 And this is just a a general 865 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:06,480 um possible revised parking lot layout. 866 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,320 the um 867 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,119 when looking at the other criteria, we 868 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,560 want to really focus on the general plan 869 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,560 chapter 4 and that's community identity. 870 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,960 This is ensuring and encouraging the 871 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,680 appropriate preservation, protection, 872 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,720 enhancements, and rehabilitation of the 873 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,440 sites and the districts. 874 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,560 A lot of people don't put uh value in 875 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,599 the landscaping, but landscaping can be 876 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,560 an extension of that architecture. 877 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,000 It creates a space that tells a story. 878 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,480 It's an opportunity to tell the story of 879 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200 the history of the building. 880 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,880 That's why we are recommending 881 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,390 that that be put in place. 882 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560 The 883 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,640 goal of the G Oh, the goal of the 884 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,400 general plan is that community identity. 885 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,520 Ogden City's historic buildings are the 886 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,160 city's greatest assets. 887 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,720 The exchange building is the focal point 888 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,240 of the business exchange historical zone 889 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,480 and the rehabilitation of the building 890 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,680 provides a great opportunity to preserve 891 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,920 that history and building and its 892 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,640 enhancements. 893 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,760 The important part of that architectural 894 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,640 design is its enhancements. 895 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,480 This includes the landscaping. 896 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440 Um, 897 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,440 as a condition of approval, we're going 898 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560 to request that 899 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,000 10-ft landscaping. The design preserves 900 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,119 the historic parking pattern 901 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,119 associated with the property while 902 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,160 incorporating the additional landscaping 903 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,160 improvements that enhance the 904 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,119 architecture of the building. It better 905 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,440 aligns with the current site design 906 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,200 standards 907 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,400 and the proposed modifications provide a 908 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,240 balance between those 909 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,560 uh preserving the historic character of 910 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,560 this building 911 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,880 and creating a functional site that 912 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,680 meets contemporary development 913 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:29,270 requirements and expectations. 914 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,760 Therefore, staff re recommends approval 915 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,760 of the variance to reduce the front and 916 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,400 the sideyard facing a street setbacks to 917 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560 10 ft to accommodate parking in the 918 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,640 front and the east side of the exchange 919 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,599 building on the following conditions. 920 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,440 Provide a 10-ft landscaped area along 921 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,680 the front of the exchange building 922 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,000 adjacent to its facade. So, right up 923 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,160 against the building. 924 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560 modify the parking lot in the front and 925 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,400 the sideyard facing a street to 926 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,079 accommodate the required landscaping. 927 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,030 Do you have any questions? 928 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,160 » Um, is the landscaping an issue with the 929 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,829 applicant at all? 930 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:17,119 » Um, 931 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,400 >> is that just something you guys have put 932 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,839 in? Are they not wanting to put it in? 933 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:21,520 I'm just curious. 934 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,560 Yeah, the original site plan didn't have 935 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,119 any landscaping 936 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,720 and we are trying to 937 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,520 put back what was historically there. So 938 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,079 the parking was historically there but 939 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,640 also the landscaping. 940 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,560 It's a part of the general plan. It 941 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,359 complies with those goals of community 942 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,359 identity and preser preserving that 943 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,960 history. 944 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,839 And we think we feel it's a it's a good 945 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:54,790 balance between the two. 946 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,640 » Excuse me. Did do you want to say 947 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,079 something about the landscaping? 948 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,440 >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. 949 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,670 >> Okay. 950 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,960 » Thank you for the opportunity to make 951 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,720 comments. Uh is it possible to go back 952 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,640 to the plan that you had proposed with 953 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,880 the landscaping? So, one of the 954 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,839 challenges we're having uh with the pro 955 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:20,000 uh with the parking also is the the 956 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,680 number of parking stalls that we will 957 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,119 need for the end user. This project 958 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,680 really only works with the end user. Uh 959 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,920 and it's very fluid project. We have a 960 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000 lot of entities from landmarks from 961 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,079 planning uh really trying to make this 962 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,240 all work. We do have an updated plan 963 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,160 showing our handicap use. Uh we will put 964 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,240 as much landscaping as we can as long as 965 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,640 we can meet their requirement for their 966 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,760 parking. Uh and then we're also trying 967 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,839 to put you know one of the things when 968 00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:53,040 we ask for the RDA on this project is 969 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,760 they wanted to have that lobby open to 970 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,480 the public uh so the public could you 971 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,240 know still come in and look at the 972 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,560 historical use. The end user of this 973 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,599 building is a um like a a military 974 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,200 defense contractor. It's an engineering 975 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440 company, but their main client is the uh 976 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,040 military, the DAD, DoD. And so we've 977 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,680 worked with them to allow that to happen 978 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,839 where we will have the lobby available, 979 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:20,160 but we will need more of the angle 980 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040 parking that we have shown as well as uh 981 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,839 and then we we can make the four ADA 982 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:28,960 requirements which would be to the front 983 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,319 uh lower side of the entry. It will also 984 00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:35,760 we put our handicap there uh that will 985 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,640 meet the required ADA requirements uh 986 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,760 with slope uh as well as you know uh we 987 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,599 also have a delivery area so we can 988 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,680 bring packages up through there. So 989 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,720 there are some um requirements that are 990 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,720 the endusers requirements that we're 991 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,880 trying to address obviously stay uh 992 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,960 within the historical 993 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,240 uh shipo fed and uh landmarks 994 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,280 requirements uh as well as landscaping 995 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,480 requirements. So, it's a little bit of a 996 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,440 Rubik's cube, but we would ask that um 997 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,040 we can uh meet with planning and staff 998 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,640 in order to uh achieve a common 999 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,119 agreement on that. But there is a pretty 1000 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,920 hard number of parking stalls that we 1001 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,720 have to give them that uh would not 1002 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,960 include the public. So, we feel we can 1003 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,800 do that by putting the public where 1004 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,480 we've asked, but we do need it at an 1005 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,599 angle an angle process. Uh and I think 1006 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,200 on this one you can see that we do have 1007 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,440 a ramp there. We are landscaping the 1008 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,319 front uh very similar to what it was. Uh 1009 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,960 and we're also putting landscape to hide 1010 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,880 uh the ADA uh access point as well. Uh 1011 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,480 and we have updated drawings that we're 1012 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,640 more than happy to provide. Uh 1013 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,240 you know we're going to show them 1014 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,319 tomorrow at landmarks. Unfortunately the 1015 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,640 architect is traveling. I stepped in for 1016 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,359 him today. Uh and these plans are very 1017 00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:00,720 fluid. So we'll have them available 1018 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:01,280 tomorrow. 1019 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,800 >> So you're talking about having landscape 1020 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,560 in the front though. You said landscape. 1021 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,520 >> Absolutely. Yeah. 1022 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,880 >> Do you have a problem with the 10 ft or 1023 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,760 you're just saying we need to get the 1024 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,640 angled back in there? 1025 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,079 >> We need to get the angle. We putting 1026 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,680 parallel parking to the front. We need the angled parking to 1027 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,800 accommodate that many stalls uh one for 1028 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,880 the as mentioned for the uh handicap but 1029 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,200 also giving public access to that front 1030 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,240 lobby. This is where we feel is the best area. we won't be able to bring 1031 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,359 them uh the public will not be able to 1032 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:34,720 enter from any of the other uh uh 1033 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,960 locations. So the rear exit as well as 1034 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,119 the side will not have public access 1035 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,800 because they'll be going into a secured 1036 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,839 site. So the lobby we are planning right 1037 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:45,760 now and if we can uh get approval 1038 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,280 through the historical uh agencies uh we 1039 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,119 will have that where you will be able to 1040 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:52,720 see it they'll be able to access it see 1041 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,720 the historical lobby but there'll be a 1042 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,880 glass wall that will require badge 1043 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,400 access uh to get back and so trying to 1044 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,480 keep the public ADA everything in the 1045 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,319 front of the building we do require the 1046 00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:05,839 angle parking 1047 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:06,640 >> you need all 10. 1048 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,079 >> Yeah. So really the out of the two 1049 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,839 points, the first point is fine. It's 1050 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:11,839 just we need a little bit of latitude 1051 00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:14,880 and flexibility with the landscaping uh 1052 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,680 as far as the rest of the uh of the 1053 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,160 project to get the the a number of units 1054 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,839 that number of parking stalls that we 1055 00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,319 need and then also having our parking 1056 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:26,240 public parking in the front along with 1057 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,359 the ADA uh a access to the ADA ramp. 1058 00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:33,599 What is your proposed generally 1059 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,880 landscaping in the front of it if it's 1060 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,480 not because the template setbacks too 1061 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,280 much is what you're saying? 1062 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,280 >> No, it's that really the setbacks is so 1063 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,800 that we can have access because 1064 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,240 currently we have the access point 1065 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,680 that's right in the middle on the south 1066 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,319 part or the the the the end the bottom 1067 00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,040 part of the screen. Uh but we also are 1068 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,599 putting a uh we would go in, we'd have a 1069 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,599 oneway where people could park in the 1070 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,559 front and then they can exit to the to 1071 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,920 the west side. Uh and so that is uh what 1072 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,559 we are uh you know that would be new and 1073 00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,640 that setback would uh reducing that 1074 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,800 setback would allow us to have a drive 1075 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,480 uh drive um lane there uh and then 1076 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,720 maximize the number of parking stalls 1077 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,359 for ADA and public to have access to the 1078 00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,200 building as well as the lobby. 1079 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,720 >> So you guys can make it worth of the 10 1080 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,000 foot the 10-ft landscape buffer there. 1081 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000 Yeah, we can we we just need we need to 1082 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,680 be able to have a drive lane that goes 1083 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,200 in there with the parking as far as the the landscaping in the front of the 1084 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,720 building. Uh there is area between where 1085 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,960 we have proposed the curb and the 1086 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,839 building itself for landscaping on the 1087 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:40,720 west side of the entry point. uh we are 1088 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:42,319 actually designing because that's going 1089 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:45,359 to be mostly uh a uh there'll be a 1090 00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,119 sidewalk that will give us access to the 1091 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,760 public but there'll also be an ADA ramp 1092 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,960 and that is where we're looking to do 1093 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,800 the ADA ramp and that will be our only 1094 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200 location for ADA 1095 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:55,760 which will be 1096 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,720 >> Oh, that's your double stack right 1097 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,440 there. 1098 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,280 >> Exactly. You can see so it' be basically 1099 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,359 behind there's the stairs that come up 1100 00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:03,119 those uh we have to relocate those 1101 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,200 stairs a little bit to the uh to the 1102 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,280 west and then uh but you'll see that's 1103 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,960 where our ramp is as well. Okay. 1104 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,640 >> So, it's a little bit of a Rubik's cube 1105 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,079 for us. We're trying to I mean, if we 1106 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,559 had uh a little more flexibility, we 1107 00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,079 would accommodate. We have We love 1108 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,160 landscaping as well, but we have some 1109 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040 requirements that are put onto us by not 1110 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,880 only several different agencies, but 1111 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,630 also the end user. 1112 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,319 » So, we would request that we keep our 1113 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:35,190 angled parking. 1114 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,839 » Thank you. 1115 00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,359 >> Any other questions before I turn 1116 00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:38,000 around? 1117 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,680 >> Questions? Sorry to walk off the last 1118 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,280 one. No, you're fine. Thank you. 1119 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,520 >> All right. Thank you. [clears throat] 1120 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,440 Any other comments or concerns 1121 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:47,760 or 1122 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,200 >> I I just the staff's condition? 1123 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,880 >> Well, yeah, let's let's hear from 1124 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,829 Jennick. 1125 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:01,359 » So, when we're looking at parking 1126 00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:04,160 requirements for an office building, 1127 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,640 it's usually one space per 300 square 1128 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,640 feet of building. 1129 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,079 Um, typically with the amount of 1130 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,720 proposed square footage, they would only 1131 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:21,119 need around 54 stalls. So 95 96 spaces 1132 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,280 is quite a bit more than what would be 1133 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,800 required. 1134 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,589 Um, 1135 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,160 so I I I think this would be a good 1136 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,800 compromise between those. Uh, six 1137 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,400 parking spaces for the public. That's 1138 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,280 more than adequate for 1139 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,359 anybody that would be going into that 1140 00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:48,079 building for a visitation. I I would 1141 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,599 imagine. 1142 00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,710 Um, 1143 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,920 so it it's basically up to you. But of 1144 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,760 those six that you have or seven you 1145 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,200 have up there, you're suggesting four of 1146 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,839 them have to be ADA. 1147 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:04,000 >> So we really have I mean three at that 1148 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,240 time for for general public. 1149 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,760 >> Correct. 1150 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,559 >> At the front door. 1151 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,559 >> Yeah. Which well 1152 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,680 >> and really you know that I don't 1153 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,240 understand why it couldn't be located 1154 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,480 off to the side with the path to the 1155 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,640 front. Um there's more space over there 1156 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,640 for ADA parking. Uh we typically require 1157 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,160 van size ADA parking stalls which 1158 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,079 require either eight ft for the stall 1159 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,720 8ft access aisle 1160 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,319 um or the 115 formation 1161 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,599 and I believe there would be more room 1162 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:51,910 off to the side on the east side. 1163 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,400 What's What's past the west? Is a 1164 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,480 What's past their west property line? 1165 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,800 >> You can't go there. 1166 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,920 >> It's a no man's land. No person's land. 1167 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,760 >> No, it's a common area. 1168 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,280 >> It's a walkway. 1169 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,000 >> Yeah, it's just a walkway. 1170 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,960 >> Okay. 1171 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,280 >> Building. 1172 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,160 >> Yeah. 1173 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,599 >> Not sure you can see that on that. 1174 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,240 >> Okay. So, there's no chance there. Okay. 1175 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:23,349 Just had to ask question. 1176 00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:24,559 You know, part of me goes back to like 1177 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:26,960 Sky Blue or Bloom or even Weber County 1178 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,960 transfer station. 1179 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,640 I, you know, there's not a whole lot of 1180 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,480 vegetation or buffer there. I mean, up 1181 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,079 at the actual transfer station clear 1182 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,599 back behind the scale house, there's 1183 00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,440 some greenery, but that's nowhere near 1184 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,000 the road or screening or anything of 1185 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,400 that nature. So part of me is like in my 1186 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,079 mind in that area, are we really 1187 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,760 requiring that from other people as far 1188 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,760 as that landscaping buffer? 1189 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,960 Well, in my my brain's going to I would 1190 00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:00,960 recommend to to grant the variance and just word it not as specific as the 1191 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,040 10-ft landscape strip is shown here, but 1192 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,720 as as staff uh can work out and whatever 1193 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,480 compromise they can make. I don't know 1194 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,680 how much you guys have been doing 1195 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,480 already, but you know, 1196 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,000 >> today's question is should they get a 1197 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,119 variance for this? 1198 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:15,599 >> Yes. 1199 00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,240 absolutely. And and staff and other 1200 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,160 boards can work out exactly that. It 1201 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,079 seems like there's an opportunity to put 1202 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,800 some more uh even if you just took out 1203 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,520 one space next to the front entrance and 1204 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160 had small landscape islands or something 1205 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,680 that you know there's there's 1206 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,079 opportunities there and they can move 1207 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,079 forward with the variance if we just 1208 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,280 modify that number one a little bit. 1209 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,280 >> Yes, you can do that. You can modify 1210 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,160 your your conditions. 1211 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,839 >> Okay. 1212 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:48,720 >> Thank you. Would you like 1213 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,790 >> Sure. 1214 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,920 The building side is 1215 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,920 the end user will be using the entire 1216 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,240 building including the basement. Uh 1217 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,160 well, it's more of a garden level. So, 1218 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,240 it's not true basement. So, the the the actual square footage is just under 1219 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,520 24,000 square feet. So, based on that, 1220 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,280 that'd be more than 75 uh roughly 72 to 1221 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,240 74. Uh but they again they are an 1222 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,680 engineering company and will uh you know 1223 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,000 they have some open space for cubicles 1224 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,319 etc. They will maximize this is their 1225 00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:26,480 headquarters for the the next 20 years 1226 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,960 if it can be done. So this isn't just 1227 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,480 something they're looking for for a five 1228 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,880 to 10 and they're looking to expand into 1229 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,040 this space uh and making it their 1230 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,680 headquarters uh for the long term. So 1231 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,520 the the parking is definitely uh kind of 1232 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,240 a hard a hard line for them on on on 1233 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,559 their side. So again, I just wanted to 1234 00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,200 clarify that it's not 16,000, it's 1235 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,920 24,000 square feet is the building size 1236 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,480 that would then up the parking uh based 1237 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,520 on that equation. 1238 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,520 >> They're planning on using the 24,000 ft 1239 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,319 is what you're saying. Oh, 1240 00:55:58,319 --> 00:55:59,760 >> they're using the whole building. It's a 1241 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000 single occupancy tenant and it does have 1242 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,680 a 20-year lease. It's 1243 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,000 >> fantastic. That's actually fantastic. 1244 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,640 >> Thank you. Any 1245 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,480 other comments? Okay. 1246 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,480 Do I hear a motion? 1247 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,760 >> We got to discuss a little bit. 1248 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,599 >> Okay. 1249 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,880 >> I mean, I I think we're number one, the 1250 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,240 building's fantastic. It's an awesome 1251 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:22,640 building. 1252 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,119 >> It is. 1253 00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,280 >> We're watching it for decades do 1254 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,000 nothing. So, I I think the opportunity 1255 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,799 for it to become something is fantastic. 1256 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:32,319 It's great for the economy as well, 1257 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,960 having a long-term tenant. Um, but I I 1258 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,599 think the question is how do we how do 1259 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,200 we word it to say, "Hey, you know what? 1260 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,240 As you go through, you're still going to 1261 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,640 have to work with planning and 1262 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,480 get all your your permits and everything 1263 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,000 pulled right." That we're not we're not 1264 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,079 pigeon hoing them into you got to have 1265 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,680 this. 1266 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,119 And I think for me, it's just that front 1267 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,520 landscaping, that front parking area, 1268 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,150 right? 1269 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,839 » Yeah. 1270 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:04,000 I I think we just I would recommend 1271 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,480 modifying the condition when the staff 1272 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,440 has it just to provide a landscaped area 1273 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,160 along the front and as approved by other 1274 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,359 boards and staff 1275 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:16,720 >> that work 1276 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,000 >> well does that 1277 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,559 >> is that grant enough and then you guys 1278 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:21,839 got flexibility to work out the 1279 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:23,119 >> who's got power to tell me I'm doing 1280 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,400 something wrong that's part that's what 1281 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,400 it comes back to here. 1282 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,119 >> Yeah. I mean it it's this is why we have 1283 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,000 you guys make these decisions. Um yeah, 1284 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,960 you can make what you proposed. We would 1285 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,799 understand that condition. 1286 00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,720 >> I think we make the proposal then on 1287 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,440 item one there that that landscaping 1288 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,599 exists 1289 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,400 um in some fashion allowing the parking 1290 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,520 to be there and meet the needs of 1291 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,720 the building as it were 1292 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,280 would get us there 1293 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,680 subject to their enviral approvals. 1294 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,200 >> Yeah. I mean, they have 1295 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,640 >> because you do have Landmark Commission 1296 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,559 to sign off on stuff, too. And 1297 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:03,920 >> you got a lot of people and Landmark 1298 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,280 wants it done for sure. 1299 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,599 >> Well, let me try this. Um, 1300 00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,359 I move we find the literal enforcement 1301 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:14,799 of the land use ordinance would cause 1302 00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:16,319 unreasonable hardship, that there are 1303 00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,079 special circumstances attached to the 1304 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,240 property, that granting the variance is 1305 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,920 essential to the enjoyment of a 1306 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,000 substantial property right possessed by 1307 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,920 other properties in the same zone, that 1308 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,520 the variance will not substantially 1309 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,680 affect or the general plan or be 1310 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,839 contrary to public interests, and that 1311 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,520 the spirit of the zoning ordinance is 1312 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,680 observed and substantial justice is done 1313 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,400 for the following reasons. 1314 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,079 uh 1315 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,160 well that that it meets all those 1316 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,760 criteria. Uh and we and I move and move 1317 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,920 to grant the variance with the following 1318 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,440 condition. 1319 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,720 Uh that 1320 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,520 a landscape that the applicant provide a 1321 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,359 landscaped area along the front of the 1322 00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,359 building adjacent to the facade of the 1323 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:03,280 exchange building or similar area as 1324 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,760 approved by city staff and other city 1325 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,920 boards. and to modify the parking lot in 1326 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,599 the front and side yard facing street a 1327 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,680 street to accommodate the required 1328 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,240 landscaping. 1329 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,240 >> Do we drop the two off there though? 1330 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,230 >> You want to just drop two? 1331 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,559 » Well, we can still discuss here. So, 1332 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,599 >> modify the parking lot in front. 1333 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,040 >> I mean, I guess the modification of the 1334 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,599 parking lot is to still just to meet the final need. 1335 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,799 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's how we'd word that. 1336 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:45,920 >> All right. Amend that motion to um 1337 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,200 instead of number two just to say 1338 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,760 modify the 1339 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,559 parking area to accommodate 1340 00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,799 I'm not sure what well because we're not 1341 00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:58,400 saying you have to modify it. I mean 1342 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,319 modify it as needed, 1343 01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:02,240 >> you know, to to have. 1344 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,000 >> We're going to modify it as needed to 1345 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,599 meet number one, you know, 1346 01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,000 >> or drop it. Well, I think number one is 1347 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,520 talking about the landscaping has to be 1348 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,880 in front of the building. I think that's 1349 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,880 important and that the details can be 1350 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,440 worked out. Uh and then the same I don't 1351 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,960 >> sure leave it then because we're just 1352 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,960 making the parking lot work. 1353 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,799 >> Yeah, it's just modify the parking lot 1354 01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:23,760 in front and side 1355 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,119 to to well to accommodate 1356 01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:27,599 landscape. 1357 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:28,640 >> Yeah, because it's not we don't have 1358 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,799 that required the 10 feet. I'm just 1359 01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:33,359 >> I don't want to get get stuck in the mud 1360 01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:34,559 there. 1361 01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,559 Number two would be modify the parking 1362 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,359 lot in the front and the side yard 1363 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:42,000 facing a street to accommodate 1364 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960 additional landscaping 1365 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,440 >> that works 1366 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,440 >> and provide park 1367 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,200 >> works for me. [cough and clears throat] 1368 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,760 >> Okay. A motion has been made by chair by 1369 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,079 board member Evans to approve. It has 1370 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,680 been seconded by board member Larson. 1371 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,589 >> Okay, I'll second that. 1372 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,040 I thought you seconded it. 1373 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,200 >> Yeah, well, I'm there. It's a work in 1374 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,319 progress. We're working through this 1375 01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:11,920 together. 1376 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,119 >> Chair Caspersonson. 1377 01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,040 >> Yes. 1378 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,520 >> Thank you. Board member Evans. 1379 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,240 >> Yes. 1380 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,440 >> Board member Larson. 1381 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:19,920 >> Yes. 1382 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,400 >> Thank you. 1383 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,160 >> Okay. Hope that works. 1384 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,799 >> Thank you. Appreciate understanding of 1385 01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,480 this amazing project. 1386 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,390 >> It's going to be awesome. 1387 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,799 Okay. 1388 01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:39,119 The only other business we had was to 1389 01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,319 decide on a new chairman. 1390 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:43,520 >> Oh, we're not doing that today. Can I 1391 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,799 ask a question? Okay. Since we're have 1392 01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:47,599 discussion times, 1393 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,520 comments from other interested parties 1394 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,200 if applicable is something we can 1395 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,880 discuss. And you mentioned there we 1396 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,359 don't invite other people besides the 1397 01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:56,799 petitioner or applicant 1398 01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,400 >> in a for a variance you're prohibited by 1399 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,400 law to have a public hearing on a 1400 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,200 variance. You can accept written 1401 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,960 testimony which is what we do. We send 1402 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,960 out the notice and say you can provide 1403 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,040 written testimony but 1404 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,960 >> so we can discuss it at that point if it exists. 1405 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,880 You can you can talk with the applicant 1406 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,359 and if the applicant has some like an 1407 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,680 expert that they want to testify on 1408 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,200 their behalf, they can. But 1409 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,079 >> okay, 1410 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,920 >> unfortunately [sighs] 1411 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,040 the legislature pulled that ability from 1412 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,160 neighbors to be able to testify on a 1413 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,680 variance 1414 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,319 >> which is a good 1415 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,079 >> in person. They can do it with grand. 1416 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,680 >> No, I'm curious because you're not 1417 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,040 getting any unless they're presenting 1418 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,400 facts. they're presenting facts, 1419 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,119 >> motions, 1420 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,799 >> then then they can put it in writing 1421 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,040 ahead of time. Otherwise, it's just 1422 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,960 clamor and we don't want to muddy the 1423 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,880 waters of what we can and can't do. 1424 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,440 >> Okay. 1425 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,359 With no further business, do I hear a 1426 01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:54,720 motion? [clears throat] Have we done 1427 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,720 everything right? 1428 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,359 >> Yes. 1429 01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:00,559 >> Okay. If you want to do it, chair. 1430 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,400 >> Well, I guess. 1431 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,839 Do we want to wait till we have more 1432 01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:08,240 people here? 1433 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,400 Are we making the Stephanie Nicks the 1434 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,520 chairperson right now? 1435 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,880 >> Three's pretty good. 1436 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,400 >> I'll put a motion for Stephanie. She 1437 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,839 should have showed up. Um, 1438 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:20,880 >> are you done? 1439 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,200 >> I'm done. Well, I don't 1440 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,910 >> You're tapping out. [laughter] 1441 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,599 » You know, I would be happy to stay on 1442 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,559 for another few months. The only reason 1443 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,599 I'm moving to West Haven. 1444 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:36,240 >> Oh. 1445 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,599 And see, 1446 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,920 >> you haven't told me this yet. 1447 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,079 >> I'm sorry. [laughter] I'm telling 1448 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:43,680 >> you tried. You just kept interrupting. 1449 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,799 >> What? 1450 01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,680 >> Yes, but I'm moving in probably January. 1451 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,319 So, 1452 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,079 >> okay. 1453 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,200 >> So, 1454 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,319 >> are you going to keep your house as a 1455 01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:52,960 rental? 1456 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,119 >> No. 1457 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,599 >> I don't [laughter] I'm not a landlord. 1458 01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:01,920 So, all those in favor of adjourning say 1459 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,200 I. Did I do that right? Yeah, we can we 1460 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,319 can 1461 01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:08,079 >> do we have a motion to adjurnn? 1462 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:08,960 >> Motion to adjurnn. 1463 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,359 >> Okay. 1464 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:10,240 >> So moved. 1465 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,240 >> So all in favor say I. I. 1466 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:12,720 >> I. 1467 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,079 >> Okay. 1468 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,440 >> I think you'd make a fantastic chairman 1469 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,480 if you're replacing someone. 1470 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,240 Chairperson. 1471 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,440 >> You interested? 1472 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,200 >> What are you talking 1473 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,720 >> Yeah. We don't need to