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I'd like to call the order of the regular session of the city council, the city of St. Charles, Missouri, did it Tuesday, August 4, 2026, Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

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Yes, sir, Tom Brooning.

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Justin Faust.

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Michael Galva.

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Here.

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Brian Gould.

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Bart Haber Stroke.

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Here.

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Mark Hollander.

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Steve Hollander.

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Chris Kyle.

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Here.

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And Vince Ratchford.

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Here.

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There is a quorum.

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You please join me for our moment of silence and our pledge of allegiance.

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Mr.

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President, can I request that item be under presentation in awards and proclamations

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be moved to report of the mayor?

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Thank you.

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So, presentations, awards and proclamations?

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I guess I could go ahead and do that, or unless you want to.

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So tonight, if it's okay, I just want to announce that my Assistant City Clerk, Emily Golanowitz, recently received her certification from the Missouri City Clerk's Finance Officers Association.

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It's a great honor to have received that certification and police worked very, very hard to do so.

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And so tonight, we have a representative from our Eastern Division Association here to present Emily with her certificate and recognize her for this achievement.

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We're very, very proud of her in our clerk's office.

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Good

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evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

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My name is Tracy Williams, I'm the City Clerk in the City of Flint Hill.

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And I'm here also with Dorothy Matthews,

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she's the City Clerk in Handley Hills, and of course Emily.

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We're on here on behalf of the Missouri City Clerk's and Finance Officers,

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Association to recognize your assistant City Clerk Emily Glentowitz

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for an outstanding professional achievement.

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The MOCCFOA is dedicated to advancing the education and professional development of city clerks

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and findings officers, helping members stay current with their ever-changing laws and regulations

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that impact local government.

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Emily has earned her MRCC, the Certificate, the Certification reflects her commitment to the

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professional excellence through education, training, and experience.

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her dedication to continue to continue as learning, but if it's not only her career, but also the

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city of St. Charles in his leadership and its residents. On behalf of the Missouri City

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clerks and Finance Officers Association and especially her colleagues in the Eastern

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Division, congratulations Emily. We are proud to present you with the certificate of

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of appreciation and recognition of the outstanding accomplishment.

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And I would like

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to say thank you for supporting me through this journey.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Ratchford.

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I just want to say, you know, I think I can probably speak for the rest of the council.

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But we're very lucky to have the staff and leadership we have in the clerks office.

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Thank you, congratulations, Emily.

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Well done.

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All right, presentation.

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We're headed to the overview of the Board's and Commission's application and vetting process.

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I ask for that to be moved after public comment.

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Move to the mayor's.

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My apologies.

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No problem.

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All right.

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Time for public comments.

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Yes, sir.

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The public comment portion of the meeting is an opportunity for the city council to listen to the comments from the public.

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It is not a question and answer session.

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The mayor and city council will not respond to comments or answer questions during this period.

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The mayor or the City Council may refer any matter brought up to the director of the administration

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or the City Clerk if action is needed.

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A notification will sound when three minutes have elapsed, all persons who desire to provide

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public comments shall complete a speaker's card in its entirety and presented to the City

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Clerk prior to the scheduled start of the City Council meeting.

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Madam Clerk, do we have any speakers?

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Yes, I do.

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The first speaker up is Leslie Beck and she's here representing Eagle Pines and speaking against

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J.S. S. Development.

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Thank you. I'm Leslie Beck.

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And the only thing that we want to,

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I want to personally to ask the

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console tonight, is that the

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development that they're planning at

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965-Hemstad Road, it

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doesn't actually fit in our neighborhood

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footprint. We've got Tuscany

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Bias. We've got Ashley Woods.

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We've got Hampton Place, which is a

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very, very nice development.

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So, it was suggested that we speak with JSS and talk to the developer about our concerns,

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which we are going to do, because we're not opposed to all the development, but to

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cram 39 homes in that area will cause traffic problems, it will cause water problems for

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subdivision. So if we had five or ten nice high end homes

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This is in that area and make it like the Hampton's, make it secluded, make it available, where we could still get the property development in that area and not congested.

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Me, my opinion, I would not be opposed to it, but cramping in all that 39 homes in that area is very, very, with our water system, the way it is on our lower end of our Eagle Spur Court, if anybody's familiar with it, is very low land and we are fearful that our water system is fragile now that it will actually overload it.

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And that's what I just wanted to ask the board to consider those issues with the development if they continue with the 39 homes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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It's best.

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Okay.

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So next.

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I have Carl Schoenick.

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And Carl, I just want to make sure what you're here to speak on.

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Is Carl here.

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Hi.

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So I have you listed under public comment regarding two council bills.

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Would you like to speak relative to those?

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And then I also have you listed over here under public hearings for our.

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So you can go ahead and you have three minutes under public, under public comment and then you'll be called again under the public hearing.

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Under the.

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Excuse me. Hello, my name is Carl Shainicky with civil and environmental consultants and I'm just here to represent for the two record plats that are on for a new town.

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that are later in the agenda.

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My name is Carl Sheneke with Civil and Environmental Consultants, and I'm here to represent

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the two record plats that are on the agenda tonight for a new town.

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I don't really have a presentation for them or anything, but we're just shrinking.

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The lots are getting bigger on those two plats, so we're losing a couple lots on each

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plot. So if you have any questions during the bill portion, I'll be here for that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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I have no further public comments.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk.

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You're welcome.

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Okay.

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For the report of the mayor.

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No.

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No.

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Excuse me.

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Hold on just one second.

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You all feel that speaker cards to speak during the public hearing portion of our council meeting.

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We are not public hearing portion of the council meeting yet.

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Your name will be called when we get to those items.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Report of the mayor.

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Thank you.

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I'd like to begin my report with a correction.

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As a matter of record, at the last council meeting, activist Arnie Dinoff and Councilman

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Ratscher objected to my appointment of Mr. Lisa Alexander, a resident of Winsfield, Missouri

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to the St. Charles City County Library Board.

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Point of order, I made no such objection.

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Thank you.

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Do you want to retract that?

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I'll retract it.

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Thank you.

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They stated that Ms. Alexander was not a St. Charles City resident and as such was ineligible

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to serve on the St. Charles City County Library Board.

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Mr. Ratchford, then again ask for a system of authentication and validation of proposed candidates.

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Let me stake for the record that appointees to the Central City County Library Board must be residents of a library district,

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comprised of the boundaries of St. Charles County and not necessarily the City of St. Charles.

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Ms. Alexander's resident of Winsfield, Missouri, as far as authentication and validation

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of candidates.

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I'm going to ask my executive assistant, Ms. Amy Mills, to give a brief presentation

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as to the process and her modification of it to ensure accuracy at every level.

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Amy,

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Chadwick.

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There we go.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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My name is Amy Mills, and I serve as the executive assistant to the mayor.

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Tonight I'd like to provide a brief overview of the Board's and Commission's application and vetting process used by the mayor's office.

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Over the past several months we've implemented improvements to standardize the application process, improved documentation,

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and ensure applicants are reviewed consistently before appointments are presented to Council.

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Applications are accepted year round through three methods.

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Our new online fillable application, a downloadable PDF, or a paper application.

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One of the improvements we've recently implemented is the new online application, which

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guides applicants through all required fields and requires a resume before submission.

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As a result, we receive more complete and consistent applications, allowing staff to begin

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the review process more efficiently.

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Once an application is received, I conducted initial review and contact the applicant if any

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additional information or clarification is needed. I then verify qualifications based on the

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requirements of the specific board or commission. Because not every board has the same eligibility

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criteria, the verification process varies depending on the applicable city ordinance or

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Missouri statute governing that board. Verification may include residency, voter registration,

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taxpayer status, professional licensure, or other board specific qualifications.

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When there is a question regarding eligibility or interpretation of our requirement, I consult

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with the legal department before moving forward.

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Council members have asked how applicants are vetted before appointments come before Council.

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In response to those questions, I reviewed the appointment process to identify ways to better

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communicate the information provided with appointment recommendations.

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As a result, I have developed an appointment qualification verification form that will serve

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as the cover sheet for every appointment presented to Council.

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The form documents, the applicable ordinance requirements,

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how those qualifications were verified,

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and the source is used during the review process.

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It provides a consistent record supporting each appointment

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and gives Council a concise summary

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of the applicant's eligibility before considering the appointment.

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Moving forward, this formal accompany every appointment packet

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presented to Council for consideration.

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In addition, following questions raised

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At the last Council meeting regarding the vetting process, I applied the same verification

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process to every current member serving on the city's boards and commissions.

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Because a standardized verification process had not previously been documented, I completed

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a comprehensive review to verify and document each member's eligibility under the applicable

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governing requirements.

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The results were compiled into an internal verification spreadsheet and provided to administration

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an illegal department for additional review. Based on the information reviewed, the current members

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meet the eligibility requirements for the seats they currently hold. Because the spreadsheet

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contains personal information, it was not...

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Not included in the council packet. However, it is available to any council member upon request.

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After verification, qualified applicants are presented to the mayor for consideration. Following the mayor's interviews and selections,

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a complete appointment packet is prepared for council, which will move forward include the appointment memo, application, resume and qualification,

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verification form to be sent to Council no less than seven days before the appointment is proposed

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at a city council meeting. Upon approval, the candidate is introduced to the staff liaison

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for the board, sent their certification of appointment, and once signed and attested the process

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is complete. While the application and vetting process has been improved, the administration of

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boards and commissions remains largely a manual process. Appointment tracking, attendance,

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monitoring records management and historical research currently rely on multiple spreadsheets,

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files, emails and paper records. And since recently an attendants history question has been

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raised, I wanted to very quickly share something that we have been working on that I think will

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be a massive improvement. Over the past couple of months, I've been working with our IT department

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to develop a long-term solution that better supports the city's needs. After evaluating

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available options. We determine that no existing system fully met are requirements.

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As a result, we're developing a customized SharePoint-based records management system

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designed specifically for the city's boards and commissions.

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The system is intended to serve three primary functions. First, it will provide staff

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liaison with a centralized workspace to record meeting attendance, access member contact information,

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and maintain board records in a single location, reducing reliance on emails and multiple

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file locations.

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Second, it will provide an executive dashboard for the mayor's office, administration,

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and the legal department, displaying current vacancies, appointments, approaching expiration,

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members with consecutive absences, and other key information requiring administrative action.

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The goal is to move from a reactive manual process to one that provides timely information,

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improves administrative efficiency, and supports more proactive management of the city's boards and commissions.

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The third function is to create a centralized record for every board and commission.

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Instead of searching through multiple files, emails, spreadsheets, et cetera,

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staff will be able to access everything related to a board, a member, or an apartment,

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an appointment from one location. While the system is still under development, we're currently

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building the historical database, developing the dashboard and automation tools and exploring

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opportunities to coordinate records management with the city clerk's office.

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Up to this point,

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the administration of the city's boards and commissions has largely been manual relying

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on institutional knowledge and the transfer of information from one staff member to the next.

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Without a documented administrative framework, practices are varied over time, resulting in some

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inconsistencies and record keeping and administrative procedures. To address that, I'm developing

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a comprehensive, standard operating procedure in collaboration with administration and the legal

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department. The SOP is based on the city's ordinances applicable policies and the administrative

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practices established through this project. The goal is to document the current processes,

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and provide future staff with a reliable road map that can be adapted as the city's needs evolve.

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Rather than starting from the ground up, future administrations and staff will have a solid foundation to build upon while retaining the flexibility to refine the processes as ACFIT.

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Ultimately, these improvements are intended to protect the integrity of the appointment process, provide better information for the Council's decision-making,

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reduce administrative workload and preserve the city's institutional knowledge for years to come.

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Any questions?

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Shrikaya?

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I had your light on. Did you have a question?

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No, that was for council.

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Mark, that was for council.

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Any questions?

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Mr. Ratchford.

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Ms. Mills, thanks very much for your presentation.

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Well done. I think that's definitely on the right path.

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So thanks for telling us how you're putting that together.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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continue my report. At the request of Councilman Chris Kyle, I have scheduled an Eden Village

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Town Hall at the Founder Yard Center at 6 p.m. on Thursday, August 26. The Councilman

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wants to present the Eden Village concept to his warred residence and allow them to share

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their input. Mr. Nage Slider of Eden Village has agreed to again come to St. Charles

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for the meeting. All Council members are welcome to attend. Next in the spirit of inclusion,

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And I want to inform the council of my efforts to investigate ADUs, accessory dwelling units.

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These small independent units are on the same land as a single family home either as units

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attached to or attached from the main property.

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The phone, they function independently and have their own kitchen, bathroom, and sleeping

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areas.

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Although they are separate units, they are considered part of the larger parcel, meaning

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they cannot be sold separate of it.

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This concept has been gaining popularity because it allows for more efficient use of space

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provides cost-effective housing opportunities to aging parents

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Care givers are even children returning home. They also address the affordable housing shortages and affordability gaps

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They can also increase property values and provide alternative income. My research is just started and I intend to add this to the new community services persons purview

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On another subject I have been approached by our NS1 Irish sister city group about their desire

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to erect a replica of the ancient cross of Donagh, somewhere in the city.

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It was mentioned that in conjunction with the Maybomb monument, maybe the sister cities

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could have a section of front to the park to display the Maybomb, the Donagh cross and

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a French and eventually Spanish monument, I have mentioned this to Parks Director,

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merely Britain for further consideration.

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I'm eating with Boeing again regarding their involvement

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with the potential Space Museum

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and Grissam Center moving to St. Charles.

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They've expressed their interest in shared artifacts,

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STEM programs, and possible funding.

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I'm working with staff for museum space

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and possible layouts.

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Staff is reaching out to vendor firms

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to do a feasibility study of the project.

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There has been considerable media interest

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and coverage, too.

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The Steamboat Arabia owners have contacted me

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reference to their eminent Kansas City Least Termination and St. Charles interest in having the museum here.

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As you know, I have a keen interest in bringing the museum to St. Charles. The ship's captain, who is the owner, is buried in St. Charles and still has legacy relatives here.

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I believe the Arabia has a lot of shelf life left and could be a steady tourist revenue contributor.

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You may question my strong desire to acquire these historical entities to St. Charles. Let me share this.

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We have gone from three or four festivals over to over 552 per year.

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They are primarily one to three day events to generate a spike in.

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I'm interested in fixed tourist attractions. You're on attractions that draw consistent crowds over the course of the year. Attractions that add to our festival revenue, plus the revenue of longer stays. Attractions that draw from a radius of 100 plus miles with the attendant increase in per person revenue of over 500%. It is said that the average date represents about a hundred dollars per person, and the person from over 100 miles that stays longer spent between two years.

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$200 and $1,000 per person, which is an substantial increase in revenue.

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These attractions often come with an upfront investment, but have a demonstrated history

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of long-term rewards.

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Wordwalks, I provided a date and start scheduled to the council, actual starting locations

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and routes will be determined by input from residents up to the actual date.

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Word 1 went well and gave me a close look at elements of the word that I was not familiar

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with.

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It was attended by three citizens and ran approximately two miles.

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Or 10 will be at 8 a.m. on Monday, August 10th, starting in McNair Park,

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it will be approximately 2.5 miles. Again, all council members are willing to join in.

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At the suggestion of councilman Google, I will be adding a Council Carter page to the STC now magazine.

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It will replace the photo information page currently on the outside back of the magazine,

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which will now be used for event promotion.

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I'm reviewing the structure and layout with communications director Jamie Null and advise you of that outcome.

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Thank you.

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That completes my report.

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Questions from Mayor?

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Announcements from Council members.

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Mr. Kyle.

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Yeah, a few things going on and this month at Ward 1, I believe this Saturday is the corn festival,

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which is at the farmer's market down on North Main Street that evening will have hot summer

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in French town, noted it will be moved to the further end of French

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on closer to the roundabout. So if you're looking forward, it's not going to be in the same

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location, it'll be moved down by our bench racers, which is the Ashweter facility down there.

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First Friday's is in the Foundry Arts Center is this Friday, and then a Dan Erby

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spoke of, but we will be having a town hall for Eden Village.

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All are welcome.

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This is just a word one thing, but it is being held in

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Ward 1, and Mayor Dan will be there along with the

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Eden Village Director, Corrector, to help talk about that.

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Lastly, we want to thank all of our staff that were involved in

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supporting our request or plead to create the two-way traffic lane on

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Second Street.

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Thank you.

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I heard from a lot of the community, and the business is down

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We spoke about it a lot in our staff made that happen so thank you guys for coming

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through on that.

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Ms. Mitchell.

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I just wanted to congratulate Council Member Mark Hollander.

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He was elected as a director for the St. Charles County Municipal League.

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And I want to thank you for staffing up and serving.

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Mr. Faust.

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Yes, I would like to thank Moda.

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They did not get a lot of thanks during snow season.

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and grass season and all that, but I put an email together about a week ago asking them to

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restripe some bell in case springs overpasses. And within, I think, a couple hours is

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a supervisor from Striping Mode.Call me and said that there will be on their way ASAP.

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And that was done within five days. So thank you to Mode. Thank you to our staff, Alenean

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on them. It makes a huge difference, the safety and everything, and that's the second time

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MoDOT has came through with one of our requests.

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The signal lights, they put a shield on it

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to help that. So that area is going to get safer. And if you see something, reach out

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to your councilperson, especially if it's not my award, call all your councilpeople. But it

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makes a difference. So thank you, MoDOT.

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any other comments? Questions?

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Okay, on to our public hearing. Public hearings are an opportunity

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for the City Council to listen to input about a particular topic or item being considered

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by the Council. It is not a question and answer session and the City Council will not respond

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to comments or answer questions during this period. A notification will sound when five minutes

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have a lapse. All persons speaking at a public hearing shall complete the speaker's card in

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and authority and presented for the City Clerk prior to the scheduled start of the City Council meeting.

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Mental Clerk.

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Mr. Hollander? Mr. Ratchford.

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I'd like to make a motion to bring forward item seven aye.

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Resoning, case number z-2026-18.

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Are those all those in favor?

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All in favor?

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Motion carries.

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Okay,

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so I'm going to go to letter I, case number Z-2026-18, Vax Engineering.

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This is an application to rezone a 5.85 acres more or less tractive land.

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Known as 936-940-948, and South Road from C-2 General Business District to be P-D-C

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Plan Development, Commercial District, the subject property is located in Ward 4, and this

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referencing Council Bill 1, 4127.

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Good evening, Mayor.

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Members of Council.

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Before we tonight as indicated by the city clerk is a

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rezoning request for an existing office

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development.

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There's some additional vacant ground on this property.

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The developers looking for some additional flexibility for

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some new use base.

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As indicated, there is office warehouse on site currently.

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They're wishing to construct additional on two additional

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lots.

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Additional office warehouse as well as offer a what's called a car condominium

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So basically if if you have some classic cars or one and you running out of space

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This is a space that's available to you. It's an interesting concept

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But before you this is what they're proposing. This is requesting a planned development

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So they're also as a preliminary development plan. There's a touch showing the layout in the proposal

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This did go to the planning and zoning commission at these Alight 13th planning and zoning meeting

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where the applicant spoke, and there was one speaker from the public who had some general questions on stormwater.

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Ultimately, the Commission did forward a recommendation of approval on this item, unanimously, eight in favour of zero opposed, and with a couple of attach conditions.

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With that, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have, and I believe the applicant is here as well.

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Questions for staff?

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Seeing none, we have any speaker cards?

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Not on this item.

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I make a motion to approve.

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Thank you.

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Public hearing, and received the staff report to have the appropriate legislation presented for consult consideration.

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Second.

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Rol call, Justin Faust.

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Aye.

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Michael Galba.

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Aye.

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Brian Gould.

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Mark Hollander.

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Aye.

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Steve Hollander.

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Aye.

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Chris Kyle.

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Aye.

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Denise Mitchell.

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Vince Ratchford.

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And Tom Bruning.

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Okay, that passes.

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We'll motivate back up to the front of the line.

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Okay, this is public hearing seven A, case number C U, 2026-12 for Tiffany Ruby, truth be told tattoos and cosmetics.

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This application has actually been withdrawn and no consul actions required on this item.

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There is no cards on that as well.

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Moving forward to case number C U, 2026-15, the B Gardens Center LLC, Greg Stenson, an application for a conditional use permit per section 400.480.

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for a temporary retail sales use for seasonal garden produce and food trucks within the

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C--1 neighborhood business district located at 749 South Dushan Drive. The subject

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property is located in Ward 9 and there was an RCA attached.

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This is a fixture of the city of St. Charles the B garden facility there on Dushan across

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some of the old schnooks. The applicant had purchased the property a number of years ago and

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are looking to make an expansion on their project

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in addition to their seasonal sales that they offer.

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They're looking to also introduce a couple of food trucks.

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They're on their location to accommodate some of their customers.

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Staffed it had some concerns of this going through the process.

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However, we are able to work through some of those details,

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and we have, you'll see a number of conditions,

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probably a little more than we usually do have.

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But we feel with those conditions that this use could operate

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in conformance, not cause any issues.

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But I would like to point out, a particular one condition you're not used to seeing.

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We have a request or at least a staff in the planning and zoning commission recommended that this be a year approval.

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To kind of evaluate and make sure there's no traffic issues or any other issues with the neighborhood.

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If everything goes okay, they can come back and reapply through the same process as before.

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And ask for an extension or for a much longer time period like our typical conditional uses which run with the land.

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With that, the P&C Commission did considers that their July planning meeting, the applicant

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did speak.

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There were no speakers from the public on this item, and a recommendation of a

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favorable recommendation was forwarded by the Planning and Zoning Commission, seven in favor,

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one opposed.

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I'd be happy to answer any questions that the council may have.

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Mr. Habeshru.

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John, John, is these food trucks with this being all year round?

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It is, I believe it is, partially all year round, there are a number of conditions, let me make sure I've got those correct.

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There are time limited, it was sunset or basically sun up the sunset, it was the timetable, they didn't want them in the evenings.

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As far as the season alley on it, I have to double check my notes real quick.

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June 2 November, thank you, I know I had read that.

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Good clarification.

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So

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you, the applicant,

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can you come up and speak to it

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first of all?

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I want to, I want to come in you.

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I want a great job you do over there, especially,

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you know, with the seasonal B center.

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Thank you very much.

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I think it's pretty excited.

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I just, you know, I think there's some concern about,

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you know, how much traffic is going to be there.

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Right.

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And the hours that you're, you're...

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Yeah.

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It's something we thought about.

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I mean, Nicole and I've been running it now.

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It's been 10 years, and we've never really taken into consideration anything like this.

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You know, Tammy, who might speak after myself here, you know, is one of the folks that

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came up who shops with us and kind of said, hey, I do this thing, you know, I'd be interested

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in using your property, and I was like, maybe, you know, we'll talk about it later, and

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this is kind of the year we kind of started with it, but the business has grown a little bit,

472
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:26,250
quite a bit, but like we bring 20,000 people on the property in those two months that

473
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:30,690
operate every year and like with our industry it's just so weird it's kind of like fireworks or

474
00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:36,150
Christmas trees where it's like 80% of all of the garden sales are done in like eight weeks.

475
00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:40,530
So there's not a whole lot of meat left on the bone outside of that so for Nicole and I is like

476
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:45,130
you know our quality of life which he was not to sit out in the heat and just kind of do nothing

477
00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:50,410
to it or thumbs. So we've always kind of taken some time to think through like what could be a lightweight

478
00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:56,090
thing that could use that space at a little life to the neighborhood. We've never like put anything

479
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:59,870
forward, you know, we kind of waited to see if anybody would come to us with produce stands

480
00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:04,310
that used to be there with Falkaro's or something different, but that never came, but

481
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:08,550
someone like Tammy and a few other folks have approached us looking to see if they could use

482
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:13,570
this space for something that they do. And they're existing business owners in the neighborhood too,

483
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:17,710
so they kind of know what they're doing, but I'll let her kind of answer to some of those questions

484
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:22,510
about her own business. Well, thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you, guys.

485
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,600
Mayor Board, Mayor.

486
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:27,500
Thank you.

487
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:33,300
I was the dissenting vote at P&Z on the food trucks, and I have no objection to this

488
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:36,980
gentleman's proposal and being passed on that.

489
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,240
But what I want to caution the council on is, I have a very active economic development

490
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,420
department that is out trying to bring restaurants and other businesses as a thing

491
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:45,840
Charles.

492
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,860
It's pretty difficult to talk somebody into spending a million dollars on a building to open

493
00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:55,400
restaurant and man it with the kind of staffs they have to. If there's a food truck next door

494
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:01,520
and I'm seeing this type of business proliferate to the point where it has become somewhat of a

495
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,980
concern. I mean like I said I can't get somebody to do bricks and mortar and then have food trucks

496
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:13,460
all around them. So I just hope you consider that in your future considerations of food trucks. Thank you.

497
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:16,780
Any further questions?

498
00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:22,820
Any speaker cards? I do have one speaker card for Tammy Bota. She's here

499
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:26,660
representing Deeter's frozen custard and speaking in favor of this application?

500
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:36,930
Hi there. My name is Tammy Boda. I'm super excited for the opportunity to possibly have

501
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:43,950
a food truck over there. We did have a brick and mortar business for several years and the

502
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:49,470
landlord was ready to sell the building and all tenants had to leave. So that was a bummer.

503
00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:54,130
we took some time to think about maybe going to a different brick and mortar, something like

504
00:36:54,130 --> 00:37:01,090
that, nothing quite fit, and then after talking to Greg and getting a food truck, I would

505
00:37:01,090 --> 00:37:06,650
love to have it. I mean, it's within five minutes for my home. We've been shopping at the B for

506
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:14,530
years and years, so it feels like home already, so it would be super exciting to serve the community

507
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:20,270
in a way, like so much closer to home, but also in a way that maybe is kind of missing right now,

508
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:27,090
since that's an empty lot for so much of the year, and Frozen Custard is the thing that I do,

509
00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:29,970
so I would hope it would fill a good little...

510
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Gap that's there, and that we could pick right up where the Beagarden Center leaves off. And when some are kicks off, we jump in. Thanks.

511
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,660
Thank you very much.

512
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,560
No further speaker cards on this item?

513
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,300
Okay, Mr. Habeshram.

514
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:58,500
I moved to conclude hearing and a public hearing and improved the conditional use within conditions, allow bind staff, on my outline by staff.

515
00:37:58,780 --> 00:37:59,080
Second.

516
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:08,620
Okay, roll call, Michael Galba, Brian Gold, Bart Haverstrom, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris

517
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:15,580
Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Brooney, Justin Vows, that passes.

518
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:25,920
Next up is case number CU-2026-18, Good Day Farm, Reagan Ethridge, an application for

519
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:34,140
As you will use permit, per section 400.2300C1A, for in vehicle sales slash service, a marijuana

520
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:40,020
dispensary drive through within the C--3 highway business district, located at 301 Little

521
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:44,880
Hills Expressway. The subject properties located in Ward 1 and there was an RCA attached.

522
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:55,900
Council may remember, in May of this year, that you guys had approved an ordinance to allow

523
00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:00,120
call from some of the past meetings, any drive-through use within the city of Saint

524
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,460
Charles also has to have a conditional use for guardless of the use.

525
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:08,440
So before you tonight, based on that ordinance change by this council, you have an existing

526
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,060
entity good day farms located up there at Little Hills, the old dairy queen location, who

527
00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:17,800
is looking to utilize the drive-through facility for their business.

528
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,780
This application did go through the planning and zone of commission at the July meeting.

529
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:28,960
The applicant spoke on behalf. There weren't no public speakers on this item in this item was forwarded to you with a favorable recommendation unanimously

530
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,680
8 in favor zero post. I'd be happy to answer any questions questions for staff

531
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:42,400
Seeing none you speak her cards map. No, sir

532
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,940
Mr. Kyle

533
00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:49,900
I moved to conclude the public hearing and approved the conditional use with the conditions as outlined by staff

534
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:51,280
Second,

535
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:54,770
roll call, Brian Gold.

536
00:39:55,270 --> 00:40:02,870
Mark Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Tom

537
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:08,610
Brunning, Justin Faust, Michael Galba, that one passes.

538
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:20,430
Next is case number CU-2026-19, Octaveo, Rua's excuse me, El Hushashi LLC, an application

539
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:27,490
for a Conditional Use Permit, Persection 400.220C1A, for liquor sales associated with a meeting

540
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:33,610
facility within the C-Dash2-WHP, General Business District, and within the well-head

541
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:39,470
protection district, located at 3823 Amstreet, the subject properties located in Ward 7,

542
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:41,550
and there was a RCA attached.

543
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:45,330
Hello, Gave is an existing business that has changed locations.

544
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:50,170
Some of you may or may not be aware that they're at a new standalone facility that you

545
00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:51,750
in the Strip Center just next door.

546
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:57,250
They've retained rights to that Strip Center location that that was their previous location

547
00:40:57,250 --> 00:41:01,970
where they would like to have meeting facility for events, birthday parties.

548
00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:06,770
This is a conditionally used within the city of St. Charles, and it does require this approval.

549
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:11,390
So she with that, the planning and zoning commission did hear this at their July meeting.

550
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:15,530
There were no speakers from the public on this, and this also received a unanimous approval

551
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:18,450
forwarded to this council from the P&Z Commission,

552
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:20,090
eight favored zero post.

553
00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:21,930
I'd be happy to answer any questions.

554
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:23,550
Questions for staff?

555
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,340
Mr. Goul.

556
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,860
I just really quickly before we move on it,

557
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:32,380
they have a like liquor license.

558
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:34,040
This is conditional use, not liquor license.

559
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:34,500
That's correct.

560
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
They actually have a liquor license for their new facility

561
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,820
and they retain their liquor license

562
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,280
for their pass location,

563
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:42,980
which is subject property for this item.

564
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:47,200
Any speaker cards?

565
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:48,320
No speaker cards.

566
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:49,080
Mr. Goul?

567
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,040
I move to conclude the public hearing and approve the conditional use with the conditions

568
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,360
as outlined by today.

569
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:54,760
Second.

570
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,380
Roll call, Bart Haber Stroke.

571
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,460
Mark Hollander.

572
00:41:59,600 --> 00:41:59,740
Hi.

573
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:00,660
Steve Hollander.

574
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,960
Chris Kyle.

575
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,320
Hi.

576
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Denise Mitchell.

577
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:04,120
Thanks.

578
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:06,060
Tim Browning.

579
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:07,440
Justin Faust.

580
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:08,740
Michael Galba.

581
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:09,820
Brian Gold.

582
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:10,600
Okay.

583
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:11,340
That passes.

584
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:15,100
Ace number Z.

585
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:16,600
2026-10.

586
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,100
Fox investors LLC.

587
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,000
I'll note that this application was withdrawn.

588
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,020
there's no council action required on this item tonight.

589
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:30,780
Following that is case number z-2026-17-10 for Haney, an application to annex and establish

590
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:37,120
the zoning for 0.35 acres more or less, located at 1020 metal lane from St. Charles County

591
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,840
R1E single family residents to the city of St. Charles R-1E single family residential district,

592
00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:48,060
the subject properties located on the east side of metal lane in south of veterans memorial

593
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:53,620
Parkway. The subject property will be located in Ward 6 upon annexation and references Council

594
00:42:53,620 --> 00:43:00,380
bill 1418. As indicated, this is an annexation request also with the establishment of

595
00:43:00,380 --> 00:43:04,940
a zoning. We're bringing in worth the same like zoning that the county had for this property,

596
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,940
which is single family R1E, the intent of this property owners to access utilities by the city

597
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:16,160
the same Charles. This did get you by the Planning and his own commission. It received a unanimous

598
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,980
in favor of recommendation, eight in favor, zero post. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

599
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,120
Questions for staff?

600
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:28,000
Seeing none. Any speaker cards, ma'am?

601
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,680
I have no speaker cards. Mr. Faust.

602
00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:32,760
Oh, what's one of my done?

603
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:33,820
Conditioning use.

604
00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:39,390
I moved to conclude the public hearing and prove the conditional use with the

605
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:42,130
conditions outlined by a staff. That's that one. What? Not that one.

606
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:42,730
which one?

607
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:43,590
The Resonemite.

608
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:46,910
I move to conclude the public hearing to receive the staff report and to have the appropriate

609
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:48,690
legislation presented for council consideration.

610
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:49,550
Second.

611
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:49,970
Thank you.

612
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:51,370
That's all right.

613
00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:53,210
Roll call, Mark Hollander.

614
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:54,450
Steve Hollander.

615
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:54,670
Aye.

616
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:55,550
Chris Kyle.

617
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:56,650
Denise Mitchell.

618
00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:56,890
Aye.

619
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:57,730
Vince Ratchford.

620
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:58,190
Aye.

621
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:59,050
Tom Brooding.

622
00:43:59,730 --> 00:44:00,730
Justin Faust.

623
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:01,590
Michael Galba.

624
00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:02,670
Brian Gould.

625
00:44:02,830 --> 00:44:03,030
Aye.

626
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:03,930
Bart Haberstrow.

627
00:44:04,570 --> 00:44:05,690
That one passes.

628
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:15,380
Next is case number Z-2026-11JSS land development LLC.

629
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,820
I will note, and Mr. Boyer can further embellish on this, but it's my understanding

630
00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:23,260
this application was withdrawn today.

631
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,340
That is correct.

632
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:30,140
We received requests from their illegal representative that they wish to withdraw this application.

633
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:36,300
Their intent is to take note of comments that they received from the Planning and

634
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,500
on a commission also, the residents and there may be an application in the future, but in

635
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,460
that's the case, they'll have to start back over public hearing process through the planning

636
00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:48,300
and zoning commission, submit to our public hearing standards, and eventually end up

637
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,900
here at City Council, if and when that does happen, but at this point, this application

638
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:56,480
has been withdrawn, and it's the same for the next, but I'll let the clerk.

639
00:44:58,540 --> 00:44:59,980
Do we move on to speaker cars?

640
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,020
And then, as well, since the application was withdrawn.

641
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,020
Yes, but I don't have any speaker cards on that item.

642
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:19,870
There's that big deal.

643
00:45:32,590 --> 00:45:35,350
All right, sorry about that.

644
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:41,890
So we are on G, case number Z-2026-11 that was as Mr. Boyer indicated with drawn today.

645
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:45,690
And I don't have any speaker cards on that one.

646
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,880
No council action.

647
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:51,420
Go ahead and read the next one.

648
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:53,660
Okay. So then we'll move on to H.

649
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:57,920
This is case number Z-2026-12, JSS land development LLC.

650
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,620
Again, this application was withdrawn today.

651
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,460
No console action is required.

652
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:07,810
OK, no speaker cards on that as well.

653
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:11,910
However, what?

654
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,220
So because that application was withdrawn, there's no public hearing,

655
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,300
so we won't have speaker cards on that one.

656
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:29,780
Correct.

657
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:36,320
However, as you might have noticed, I had a very large speaker stack

658
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,400
of cards for one of the other items on the public hearing and there was a public speaker card

659
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,760
included in there that should have been called under public comment. So if it's okay

660
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,680
with you right now I'd like to go back and call that person for a public comment. Please.

661
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,380
And that is Alvin A. Reed and he's here speaking relative to the space museum in

662
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:56,380
Grison Center.

663
00:46:58,870 --> 00:47:03,630
Good evening. I'm Alvin Reed, resident of Kirkwood, Missouri and you may be wondering

664
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:11,870
Why am I here? Well, I'm a space kid and I grew up watching the space program and I was

665
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:17,010
riveted to it and to this day I still have a dream that maybe one day too I will get to

666
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:22,670
go up in space. Well I've always noted this and I've said this I'm on a television program called

667
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:26,630
Dining Brook that comes on a channel 9 and that's not very important but behind me on the mantle

668
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:33,030
is a friendship 7 spaceship and I bought that and I put it on that mantle because it's always been

669
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:38,790
part of my life, but St. Louis's then forgotten its recognition for its importance to the space

670
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:45,430
program in part because St. Louis has never sought recognition for its importance to the space

671
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:52,210
program. And any time you see a kind of a black and white film of Mercury or the early days of

672
00:47:52,210 --> 00:47:57,030
Apollo, St. Louis is very involved in that. And we just haven't reached out and graphs the opportunity

673
00:47:57,030 --> 00:48:02,830
and take an advantage of it. I remember the night that Gus Grisson was killed, an

674
00:48:02,830 --> 00:48:07,290
Ed White and Roger Chaffey. I remember watching the news late into the evening on

675
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:13,610
that. And in my six-year-old heart, I really did think, don't stop. Well, they didn't

676
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:19,510
stop. And one small step for man and one giant lead for mankind later, Neil Armstrong

677
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:24,270
was walking on the moon, and I watched it, and I watched every second of it. So every

678
00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:28,850
opportunity I have to share with young people, and some of you all weren't alive when the

679
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:33,630
ill-armed stock walked on the move, but the mayor was, and I was, and this opportunity

680
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:38,830
is one, I think you guys should really grasp and take advantage of, because you may ask,

681
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:43,410
who's going to come to see it? Well, that kid from Kirkwood who's like me is going to come

682
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:48,610
to see it, and who's going to appreciate it? Well, those of us that are dreams and our

683
00:48:48,610 --> 00:48:53,610
aspirations weren't really tied to the space program, but I can't do spirit that is a company

684
00:48:53,610 --> 00:49:00,450
me through my life is part of that too. The will to do things, start it when John Kennedy

685
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:04,310
said, let's put a man on the moon. We put it a man on the moon. I've always thought,

686
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:08,110
well, first thing I do is decide you're going to do it. And I think if you decide to do

687
00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:13,310
this, it will pay off for the city of St. Charles. Well, I'm not arrested in the St. Charles,

688
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:18,390
my daughter is. My daughter has a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and a master's

689
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:23,010
degree in electrical engineering from the University of Missouri. She was hired by Boeing in

690
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:29,310
spring. And she works on sensitive fighter jet material and I'm very proud of her, but really

691
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:36,270
inside my legacy is that I'm really proud that she is now part of the company that was part

692
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:43,270
of the company that was part of the space program and put a man on the moon. We could put a man

693
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:49,310
in the moon, let's put this space museum here in St. Charles, and I for one will come visit it.

694
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:51,310
Thank you very much for your time to see me.

695
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:52,910
Thank you, Mr. Reed.

696
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:57,890
Make sure you give me your contact information before you leave.

697
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,060
Madam Clerk.

698
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:07,920
Yes, sir.

699
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,380
Thank you for your patience with me tonight and all of these speaker cards.

700
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:22,380
I have found and going through the stack of cards that there were a couple of cards for public hearing items that you all have already addressed and closed the public hearing on.

701
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:30,480
So the small Joshua will go ahead and explain that process, but we're going to have to open back up those public hearings and then call these folks up that they wish to speak.

702
00:50:32,380 --> 00:50:36,260
I think basically explained it. I think that's okay. That was perfect.

703
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:44,440
I think if you want to reopen the public hearing, we can allow those folks to speak if the conclusion that changes your mind on the decision that you made,

704
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,020
then we can do a motion to reconsider that and go down that road at that time.

705
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:58,650
Okay, so with that, I would entertain a motion to open up the backup, the hearing on

706
00:50:58,650 --> 00:51:03,990
case number C, 2026-18 for good day farm, Reagan-Ethridge.

707
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:06,290
So moved to Reagan?

708
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:07,010
Sorry.

709
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:11,390
I guess even first, we may want to ask if that person is still here and still wishes to speak.

710
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:13,170
Reagan-Ethridge, the applicant?

711
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:15,710
Say no.

712
00:51:16,930 --> 00:51:17,810
You can say no.

713
00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:22,370
I don't know, I don't know what you're going to say no.

714
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:23,770
Should have thought of that first.

715
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:28,090
I'll withdraw that motion.

716
00:51:28,290 --> 00:51:30,530
I made speaking over someone a moment ago.

717
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:33,230
Next, John Rennfro.

718
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:37,090
Would you like to still speak on your items, sir?

719
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:37,690
Sure.

720
00:51:37,690 --> 00:51:37,990
Okay.

721
00:51:38,350 --> 00:51:42,310
So with that, Mr. Rennfro was here to speak on seven F,

722
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:44,730
which is case number Z-2026-17.

723
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:49,150
And that was the application to annex and establish the zoning

724
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:57,390
for the 0.35 acres, a 10-20-metall lane, so I need a motion to open that up again.

725
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,280
One second, hold on one second, sir.

726
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:04,380
Sir, a motion to reopen that public hearing.

727
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:05,120
And second.

728
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:07,940
Okay, time and second.

729
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:08,600
Second.

730
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:09,400
A Mark Collinger.

731
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:10,720
Thank you very much.

732
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:12,680
So that public hearing is open again.

733
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:16,400
And I have Mr. John Renfrow here to speak well with you to that, Kim.

734
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:25,260
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm okay. Take a vote on that. Thank you.

735
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,620
Steve Hollander. Chris Kyle. Denise Mitchell.

736
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:33,260
Thank you.

737
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:33,320
Thank you.

738
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:39,140
Michael Galba, Brian Gold, board, Haber Stro, Mark Hollander, that passes.

739
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:40,540
So that's back open.

740
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,220
And Mr. Renfero, I promise you this time, you can start to speak.

741
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:44,920
Okay.

742
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:45,220
Okay.

743
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:46,120
Thank you.

744
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,040
My name is John Renfero.

745
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:57,200
I live in Ward 4 and I've been a proud resident of St. Charles since 2005.

746
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:03,680
I work as for the Department of Natural Resources at the first Missouri State Capital State

747
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Historic Site, which I think you all should visit sometime and I'll give you a real good

748
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,040
tour.

749
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:22,980
I really am very concerned about the development at the corner of Hamaset and Reno Parkway, as

750
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:30,040
as the traffic, I'm really happy to see the new lights there at the corner of Hamzaath

751
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:37,680
at Arena Parkway. But I think my chief concern is that there might be some gridlock, especially

752
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,100
during rush hour, because there's another traffic light, not more than a hundred yards away.

753
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:52,720
And I feel like this is going to block access from Hamzaath to Arena Parkway.

754
00:53:52,980 --> 00:54:01,460
which is already difficult, and I consider it a little bit of a traffic hazard because people

755
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:09,220
really come flying around the band, they're on a renal parkway, and when they encounter

756
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:20,900
that traffic, I worry for the safety of the people driving at that point in time.

757
00:54:21,740 --> 00:54:25,120
Thank you all for this opportunity to speak.

758
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

759
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:33,620
It's been a great pleasure living in St. Charles for the last 25 years.

760
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
And I plan on it to stay that way.

761
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:40,100
Thank you very much.

762
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,880
Thank you, Mr. Murren Fro.

763
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:47,800
Okay, and with that, I'd like to get a clarification from the speaker on the card that they filled out.

764
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,680
So I could make sure we're calling them up under the proper portion of our agenda.

765
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,000
But is Krill Brown here?

766
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,340
I'm sorry.

767
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:56,620
Is this for the same item?

768
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:57,300
I'm sorry.

769
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:58,900
All right.

770
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,940
We need to go ahead and re-close this public hearing.

771
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:02,640
Sorry, Holly.

772
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,300
You're good.

773
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:06,660
Motion to close this one.

774
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:07,320
Four.

775
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,000
If I need to re-read.

776
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Okay.

777
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:10,740
I'll get this one right.

778
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:11,200
I think.

779
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,540
I moved to conclude the public hearing

780
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:13,460
to receive the staff report

781
00:55:13,460 --> 00:55:14,720
and I have the appropriate legislation

782
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,580
presented for council consideration.

783
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:17,980
Second?

784
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Okay.

785
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:20,700
All right.

786
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:28,500
Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Brooney, Justin Faust, Michael Galba,

787
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:32,920
Brian Gould, Mark Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, and Steve Hollander.

788
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,860
So seven of us are finished, Krill Brown.

789
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:39,500
Sir, are you here to speak?

790
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:47,320
You said on Council Bill 1222, 1-4122, that's the annexation, and then also the other

791
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,000
to rezoning. Are you wanting to speak on that relative during the public hearing

792
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,400
comment? Or did you intend for that to be during the public comment portion of the agenda?

793
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:03,100
This one? Okay, so we're good for now. I just wanted to make sure I was clear on where he would

794
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:10,600
like to speak on those items. So we are done with F, G was withdrawn, H was withdrawn, we did I already.

795
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:17,320
So, now we're moving along to case number Z-2026-19, back's engineering.

796
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,100
I will note that this application was tabled at the July 13th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting

797
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:27,540
until the August 10th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting.

798
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,620
I just need a motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z-2026-19 open

799
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:38,220
until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

800
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:42,510
What's one of those?

801
00:56:43,310 --> 00:56:44,290
Some of them.

802
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:45,220
That guy.

803
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:48,770
Roll called Denise Mitchell.

804
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:51,250
I've been scratched for Tom Brooening.

805
00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:52,510
Justin Faust.

806
00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:53,630
Michael Galba.

807
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:54,810
Brian Gold.

808
00:56:55,310 --> 00:56:56,230
Bart Haberstrow.

809
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:57,570
Mark Hollander.

810
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:58,790
Steve Hollander.

811
00:56:59,350 --> 00:57:00,090
And Chris Kyle.

812
00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:01,190
Okay.

813
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:07,910
Next is no speaker cards on that.

814
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:10,490
What was the one that last person said they wanted to

815
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:24,460
The next one is case number Z, 2026-13, Mike Bercart, B.E. Design Management.

816
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,080
This application was also tabled at the July 13th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting until the

817
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,080
August 10th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting.

818
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:35,640
I entertain a motion to hold the public hearing open.

819
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:38,500
On case number Z, 2026-13.

820
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:44,940
open until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

821
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,940
Mr. Beerning, I'm moved to table.

822
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,000
That fence?

823
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:52,080
No, there's an Mr. Beerning.

824
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Okay. We're good.

825
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:56,960
This is the hold at open, no, right?

826
00:57:57,300 --> 00:58:00,840
So hold it open until the August 18th regular city council meeting.

827
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,340
Sir, second.

828
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:03,580
I'll second.

829
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,480
Thank you, Denise.

830
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:12,280
The roll call is Vince Ratchford, Tom Bruning, Justin Fowse, Michael Galba, Brian Goulds,

831
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,940
Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, and Denise Mitchell.

832
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,940
Okay, next is case number Z-2026-14, Larson Development LLC.

833
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,960
This is an application for the annexation and establishment of zoning of an overall 5.7-acre

834
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:40,360
For a less tract of land, located at 1704 Mughi Road from county R1E, single family residential

835
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,400
district to city R-1E, single family residential district.

836
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:50,400
The subject property will be located in ward 5 upon annexation and references, council

837
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,640
bill 1-4-1-2-3.

838
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,740
There are a number of applications for you tonight concerning this development.

839
00:58:56,860 --> 00:59:01,180
This is the first of three public hearings and there are four bills for introduction associated

840
00:59:01,180 --> 00:59:07,120
this application. The first one before each night is associated with the annexation of a portion

841
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:12,920
of this development, the 5.73 acres in the establishment of its zoning. Currently, this property

842
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:18,720
is owned R1E in St. Charles County. The adjacent property that is within the city of St. Charles

843
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:26,880
is owned R-1E, it's the same zoning essentially, just difference between county and city. This

844
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,460
this item alone is just going to handle the establishment of zoning as I said, there's a

845
00:59:30,460 --> 00:59:34,540
additional applications after this, we'll talk about those specifically under those public hearing

846
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:34,940
items.

847
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:40,920
But this specific item for annexation and the establishment to R1E, for this portion of the property,

848
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:44,660
went to the Planning and Zoning Commission at the July meeting.

849
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,460
The applicant did speak.

850
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,040
There were nine total speakers on this item, with general concerns concerning stormwater,

851
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:57,420
traffic, trees, and the overall or the end rental use of the overall project.

852
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,740
There was also six letters that were attached.

853
00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:59,980
Thanks for watching.

854
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,580
Members' seat, there's also included in your packet before Council tonight. Ultimately, the application was forwarded with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission, six in favor, one opposed and one abstained. Again, this is just the first item of this development. For establishing and rezoning of annexation, I'd be happy to answer questions.

855
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,540
Questions for staff?

856
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:28,530
Seeing none? OK. I do have speaker cards tonight.

857
01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:33,550
place. Mr. Where if I can ask for your assistance. I have Speaker Bill Norton, but he needs

858
01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:37,670
a handheld mic. He cannot make it up to the podium. So, this is Bill Norton. He's

859
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:41,310
here speaking relative to this application and this council bill.

860
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:46,710
It's going right. Oh, we got it. She's got thanks for joining me. Okay. Very good.

861
01:00:47,650 --> 01:00:53,790
You can start, sir. Whenever you're ready. Thank you. My name is Bill Norton, and I'm 25

862
01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:59,470
of your resident of St. Charles as well. I live in Ward 5, and I'm on the north side of

863
01:00:59,470 --> 01:01:04,470
this property. So, hence, my concern. So, and I say it's appropriate that this

864
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:09,470
public hearing is on election day here in St. Charles County. That election that has spurred

865
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:15,510
a new six-month moratorium on new apartment construction and unincarparated areas of the

866
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:21,950
county. Clearly, taxes crime and new apartments are the big three-focus areas today. And

867
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:28,250
Dr. Pose attacks as taxpayers, mostly single family homeowners, are tired of more density

868
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:29,450
and more development.

869
01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:36,830
We didn't move from St. Louis County 25 years ago, just to watch St. Charles and St. Charles

870
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:39,510
County be turned into another St. Louis County.

871
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:43,350
We don't want to change the dynamics of where we live.

872
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:46,710
Schools are becoming more congested.

873
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:53,870
aging infrastructure is over-stressed, and the immediately road traffic is already ridiculous.

874
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:57,350
It's dangerous, and it's overcrowded.

875
01:01:58,150 --> 01:02:05,850
A recent study that I read showed that a spike to 41 percent of new residential construction

876
01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:08,970
in St. Charles County were rental apartments.

877
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:15,550
Now it's a given that this proposed luxury rental townhouse development

878
01:02:15,550 --> 01:02:23,130
is much nicer than your average apartment complex, but it is still very much out of place

879
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:31,650
in this mostly single family owned subdivision area of St. Charles. It would be much better

880
01:02:31,650 --> 01:02:41,470
place and a more suitable location. I respectfully propose that council members take into under

881
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:49,710
advisement, the concerns of the constituents here and not the developers, and consider passing

882
01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:55,630
a moratorium on new apartments construction in the city of St. Charles as soon as possible.

883
01:02:56,190 --> 01:03:03,890
Let's put the long-term homeowners and constituents concerns first again. And thank you for

884
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:04,710
your consideration.

885
01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:07,190
Thank you, sir.

886
01:03:09,730 --> 01:03:10,030
Okay.

887
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:14,570
Our next speaker is Crill Brown from 1710 Muggy Road,

888
01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:16,810
and here's speaking relative to this application.

889
01:03:23,610 --> 01:03:24,870
In Mayor and Council.

890
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:27,510
My name is Crill Brown.

891
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:32,150
I live at 1710 and 1712 Muggy Road.

892
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:37,190
I bought this property in 1974.

893
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:41,470
I carved out three acres from a farm.

894
01:03:41,470 --> 01:03:51,830
my dream. At the time, Mughi Road was a two-lane asphalt road with grass ditches, not even

895
01:03:51,830 --> 01:04:00,710
ditches, the grass ditches. I have watched Greystone develop in stages to approximately

896
01:04:00,710 --> 01:04:11,210
389 homes, then St. Charles crossing up by the gas station, and it was approximately 61 homes.

897
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:27,170
Spring mills, next with development, using about 100 acres with 147 homes, followed by 2 one-way street villas on either side of the property, adding approximately 40 homes.

898
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:36,690
Totally and approximately 587 homes within the proximity of the property that you're considering.

899
01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:40,370
These are all changes just very close to the property.

900
01:04:41,170 --> 01:04:51,930
Compared to the aforementioned number of homes, an addition of 50 homes is like a drop in the bucket to add to what is already been developed.

901
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:54,290
It would about a tenth.

902
01:04:55,330 --> 01:04:57,430
Whether you watch your home fresh built,

903
01:04:58,490 --> 01:05:00,510
or you are the third, fourth, third,

904
01:05:01,310 --> 01:05:03,210
whatever owner of that home,

905
01:05:04,650 --> 01:05:08,210
your house has contributed to the loss of a green space

906
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:11,590
and added to the traffic on a newbie road.

907
01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:14,910
I'm sure you're glad that it's there though.

908
01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:18,810
I'm glad that I'm there.

909
01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:25,310
Grace don't mill spring mill and Grace don't may say that they have a considering the traffic port portion

910
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:28,470
They may say that they have a light

911
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:30,660
allowing them to get on the movie road

912
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:37,270
A light is yes, but once you make that left a right turn on movie road

913
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:42,280
You are part of the traffic just like everyone else along movie road

914
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:45,970
You've added years to it. I

915
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:47,150
Like the thanks console

916
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:52,070
for listening to me, the mayor, for listening to me and knows that are here in attendance.

917
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:54,070
Thank you very much.

918
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:55,550
Thank you, Mr. Currell.

919
01:05:57,110 --> 01:06:02,410
Okay. Next up is Mike Simmer, and he is also here speaking relative to Larson Development.

920
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,300
Thank you.

921
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:15,320
I've got some prepared comments. I actually sent a letter to Mayor Dan and Councilman Mitchell in July 6.

922
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,420
I like to read that to the council, because I think it has some merit to this situation.

923
01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:25,620
Again, my name is Mike Seamer, I reside in my wife and I reside in Springnil, a community

924
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:29,940
across from the proposed Larson for eight acre development on Miki Road.

925
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:34,560
I've reviewed the proposed development, and I'm strongly opposed to such development.

926
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:42,800
The density is far too high for a community, and as a proposed rental community is likely to deteriorate over time.

927
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:50,560
My company is an owner developer of 10,000 apartment units all over the country and I have

928
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,500
great experience in this area.

929
01:06:53,440 --> 01:07:00,520
As primarily a single family community, our strength comes from ownership and care about

930
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,240
an individual's property.

931
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:08,980
Additionally, traffic on Migi Road is already very congested during the rush hour and

932
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:14,460
safety and of ingress and egress is very questionable. I've read the traffic

933
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:20,280
studies that contradict this position but I live here and I witness this

934
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:26,760
the congestion, the speed and the accidents. Furthermore, the density of the

935
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,300
the most community for the burden of the school system.

936
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:29,980
I just

937
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,000
It's recently learned that the average cost to educate a child in our committee is $17,000 per student.

938
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:44,700
Well above the implicit real estate tax paid on a unit. This project is beyond the bounds of

939
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:52,060
bonus. I find no benefit for the folks who live here. My question for your consideration,

940
01:07:52,980 --> 01:08:00,600
who benefits? Larsen will likely develop, stabilize the community, sell and exit.

941
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:07,920
The sellers will likely achieve the maximum price for their property. The folks who live here

942
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:16,220
Let's call this what this is, a profit maximization strategy for the landowners and developers.

943
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,860
The local folks suffer the consequences.

944
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:27,240
This project, as proposed, does not play out well for the mayor's office, are the council.

945
01:08:28,900 --> 01:08:35,940
The neighboring communities are greatly opposed, as well as the numerous neighbors that I personally discussed this issue with.

946
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:40,700
There are no conditions for ongoing maintenance of the rental community, post-development.

947
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:47,000
As a developer, I'm supportive of growth, I've built all over the country, billions of

948
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,380
dollars.

949
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:52,360
I know what I'm doing, I know what this looks like, I know what the impact is going

950
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,400
to be for a community.

951
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:00,880
This eight acre partial should be made available to a developer with the intention to build

952
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,140
single family homes.

953
01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:09,060
Our town homes are reasonable density, support the long-term viability of the community and to keep

954
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:13,660
our Saint-Charles strong with ownership and care for our community.

955
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:15,460
Thank you.

956
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:15,840
Thank you.

957
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,740
Next up is, next up is John Black and he's a homeowner in Bogey Hills and he's here

958
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:26,860
speaking against the Larson applications.

959
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:40,020
My name is John Black and in the last several weeks I've done a lot of research on

960
01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:48,560
and Larson development group, and they actually have very good reviews across the country.

961
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:58,500
That being said, this project is going to contribute traffic, traffic on Mugie Road with

962
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:06,460
no stoplight there, because the graystone stoplight is 60, 70 yards down the hill.

963
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:15,680
So, what Larsen development does, and if you look up their web page, they build single family rental homes,

964
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:31,080
communities typically two to 300 units, they, it says, we build, lease up, stabilize, and sell off to REITs, real estate investment trust.

965
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:39,380
Another page on them, which just says, we build, lease up, stabilize, and sell off to

966
01:10:39,380 --> 01:10:40,540
REITs.

967
01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:48,600
So, no matter how good they are, whoever the REIT that comes in may not enforce all of

968
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:59,560
the same things that Grarson wants to do, but 50 homes with two car garages, 100 cars, and it's

969
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:07,800
probably going to be a couple of people far more living in these because $4,000 a month

970
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:14,420
rent is quite a bit for one person. Also, I've heard conflicting reports about whether

971
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:20,140
there's parking on the streets. I've been told there's no parking on the streets. I've

972
01:11:20,140 --> 01:11:26,660
told there's parking on the streets. Either way, when holidays come around, that is going

973
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:35,460
to be an absolute mess, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, when people come to visit these people.

974
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:42,140
That the parking in there will be awful, they'll be parking in the other neighborhoods

975
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:47,040
because they're just as not room in this development for any parking.

976
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:59,990
I haven't heard from any people that live in the area that are appreciative of this project

977
01:11:59,990 --> 01:12:02,010
and what it can do for St. Charles.

978
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:08,190
Like Mike Seer said, it is going to be a mess.

979
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:18,390
And if we, the people, are to be heard from this committee, you've got to put this down

980
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:19,930
and have something reasonable.

981
01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:25,010
It's just too many cars pulling out with no stoplight.

982
01:12:26,130 --> 01:12:27,510
Thank you for your time.

983
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:28,910
Thank you, Mr. Black.

984
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:34,940
Speaker is Ted Glosher,

985
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:38,100
and he's here speaking against the Larson Development.

986
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,880
Good and repetitive, so I'll try to keep it short.

987
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,080
My name's Ted Glosher.

988
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,260
I'm here representing my two daughters,

989
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,540
their families that built their dream homes at 1723

990
01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:03,560
and 1733, Maggie Road.

991
01:13:05,220 --> 01:13:08,280
Like many residents in this surrounding neighbor,

992
01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:11,320
hers were strongly opposed to this proposed development.

993
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:16,620
Traffic on Maggie Road has already exceeded what anyone could have ever anticipated,

994
01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:22,900
speeding congestion and safety concerns have been serious issues for the families living

995
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,080
along that corridor.

996
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:29,800
I respectfully ask that you do not make these problems worse by approving

997
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:35,860
of the development that will place even more vehicles on an already overburden roadway.

998
01:13:36,860 --> 01:13:42,080
This proposal is not compatible with the existing Lose-Incity character of this surrounding

999
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:42,720
neighborhoods.

1000
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:48,460
You are not obligated to approve this type of a development simply because it's been proposed.

1001
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:55,640
You have the authority to deny it, and your constituents have spoken with overwhelming opposition.

1002
01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:01,020
We're also concerned about adding more rental housing to the area.

1003
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:07,020
While many renters or good neighbors, rental properties generally do not foster the same

1004
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:14,700
long-term investment and pride of ownership that owner occupied homes provide, which is important

1005
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:17,740
and maintaining the care and stability of our community.

1006
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:24,920
I ask that you represent the will of the residents who elected you and vote to deny this

1007
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,000
education. Thank you.

1008
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:40,420
Next up is Jean Moodry, and she is here representing herself and would like to speak in favor of the Larson development.

1009
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:43,560
Hello, my name is Jean.

1010
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,540
I did submit this letter to the St. Charles Planning Division.

1011
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:53,300
My family owns the property at 1704 Musi Road.

1012
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:59,620
My grandparents, Julius and Susie Selantutor purchased this property in 1945.

1013
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:07,560
If 81 years ago, my grandmother was a teacher at Lincoln School in St. Charles and my grandfather worked

1014
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:14,740
at the St. Charles Foundry when it was still a railroad manufacturing facility. I am 60 years

1015
01:15:14,740 --> 01:15:21,560
old and I was raised on this property. When it was considered out in the country, you

1016
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,880
He wrote was a quiet, two-lane road, and my brothers and I took every opportunity to

1017
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,520
just let down its hills when Francis Hall declared a snow day.

1018
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:37,580
The land that is now graystone, Hampton Place, and Springmill, was our family's playground.

1019
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:42,920
We rode horses through the roads, played in the creeks, built forts, and enjoyed the freedom

1020
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,320
of going up in the country.

1021
01:15:45,180 --> 01:15:51,080
As each subdivision was developed, we watched more of the woods in open land that had

1022
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:59,280
part of our childhood disappear. As these neighborhoods grew, our quiet country road changed,

1023
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:06,840
traffic increased, and the city required our family to sell a portion of frontage to allow

1024
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:13,160
Mugi Road to be widened. While we understood the need, it was not something our family wanted

1025
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,200
or chose.

1026
01:16:16,780 --> 01:16:22,060
Today, many of the people who enjoy living in these neighborhoods in traveling on widened

1027
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:29,140
road oppose our family's opportunity to develop the property we have owned for more than eight decades.

1028
01:16:29,980 --> 01:16:34,080
We respect their concerns but we hope they also appreciate our perspective.

1029
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:42,840
After 81 years of caring for this land, our family is simply asking for the same opportunity others have had.

1030
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,960
The proposed development complies with the city's density guidelines.

1031
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:58,420
The traffic study shows minimal impact and the high-end home homes will complement the surrounding neighborhoods while adding value to the community.

1032
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:05,320
Our family has watched this area transform from countryside into thriving neighborhoods.

1033
01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:16,940
We respectfully ask that after 81 years of stewardship, we be given the opportunity to move forward with a development that is consistent with the city's plans

1034
01:17:16,940 --> 01:17:19,280
and beneficial to the community.

1035
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:21,160
Thank you for your consideration.

1036
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:23,360
Thank you Ms. Mudri.

1037
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,280
Next speaker is Karen Black, and she's here speaking

1038
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,560
against Larsen Development.

1039
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:39,060
Hello, my name is Karen Black,

1040
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,800
and I've lived in St. Charles for about 20 years.

1041
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,800
I'm amazed at the number of people

1042
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,160
who are born here and live here their entire life.

1043
01:17:50,740 --> 01:17:53,340
It's a remarkable thing about this community.

1044
01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:01,420
It says a lot. My husband John Black is one of those people. My concern with the proposed

1045
01:18:01,420 --> 01:18:08,340
Larson Development is first zoning it for rental multifamily living and what that will

1046
01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:15,540
mean for a long term. The additional vehicle traffic, the growing road noise and the direct

1047
01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:22,480
impact on the neighborhoods on either side. I've lived off the Mugikord or since moving here.

1048
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:25,980
first in bogey village and then in bogey estates.

1049
01:18:26,940 --> 01:18:30,840
When my husband John built the home and built a bogey village,

1050
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,320
mucy was a quiet, two-lane road.

1051
01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:36,500
It is now a bustling, four-lane road.

1052
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,760
You either wait an extended period of time

1053
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,800
to make a left turn safely,

1054
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,800
or it's used like a drag strip.

1055
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,260
I don't know much about traffic studies

1056
01:18:48,260 --> 01:18:50,500
and I understand the traffic study

1057
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:54,060
that Larson has done meets St. Charles standards.

1058
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,060
If that's the case, I think we should reconsider our standards.

1059
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:08,800
We sold our home in Boogie Village in 2019, because we could no longer enjoy the back yard

1060
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,240
or the sunroom because of the road noise.

1061
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:19,860
John and I found out firsthand that road noise reduces home values about 10%.

1062
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:25,860
We then moved into bogey estates and made sure we moved further away from Mewgey.

1063
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:33,200
The eight plus acres for the proposed development are in a wonderful location, no doubt.

1064
01:19:33,940 --> 01:19:42,060
The land would be ideal for a dozen free standing homes, 25 villas that are owner occupied.

1065
01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:46,140
Keeping the integrity of our area.

1066
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:55,560
The Muggy corridor is home to some of the nicest neighborhoods in 6303, and I think it's important to keep that.

1067
01:19:56,220 --> 01:20:04,860
With the new townhouse development at Muggy and Old Highway 94, the wonderful upgrades that it for Wappelhorse Park.

1068
01:20:05,620 --> 01:20:09,920
It all has me very concerned of how much more Muggy can handle.

1069
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,860
I don't want to see it turn into a residential Manchester Road.

1070
01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:20,740
I think we need to be very selective on how we move forward.

1071
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:30,980
I'm asking the council to have faith in our community and faith that we will find the right project for that area.

1072
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,520
We don't have to say I do to the first developer that asks.

1073
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,600
Thank you.

1074
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:50,430
Next speaker is Catherine Moore and she's here representing as an applicant representative speaking in favor of the application.

1075
01:20:52,290 --> 01:20:59,750
Good evening members of the Council Mr. Mayor. I'm here on behalf of Larson Development and I have a presentation for you.

1076
01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:09,390
I spoke to Mr. Boyer and we thought perhaps he would go through the staff's introduction of all three of the public hearings and then I could give it at the end and answer any questions.

1077
01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:12,390
unless you'd rather me. Give it now.

1078
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:14,450
Go ahead. Go ahead.

1079
01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:15,690
Okay, you'd like it now.

1080
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:38,280
Thank you.

1081
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:41,270
Okay.

1082
01:21:42,150 --> 01:21:42,770
Good evening.

1083
01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:44,090
Good evening.

1084
01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:48,570
So this is your public hearing for all three of them combined.

1085
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:50,290
I have only one presentation.

1086
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:50,630
Okay.

1087
01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:52,790
That's fine. I just want to make sure on time we were fine.

1088
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:53,990
So for five minutes.

1089
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:57,890
I think since she's doing all three that up to 15 if needed would be appropriate.

1090
01:21:58,590 --> 01:22:00,650
My presentations under seven.

1091
01:22:00,650 --> 01:22:06,910
Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you. You may begin. Thank you.

1092
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,260
So my name is Catherine Moore.

1093
01:22:11,380 --> 01:22:16,300
I'm here on behalf of Larsson Development to introduce the council and the mayor who's already

1094
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:23,240
seen a presentation at Planning and Zoning Commission to the Stone Maasville Project. Larsson

1095
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,140
Development has been in business for over 20 years. They're headquartered in St. Louis but they

1096
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:29,960
great nationwide. They're very

1097
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,680
Workout of the work they do, especially in the residential market, and they're excited to have an opportunity

1098
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:41,360
in the city of St. Charles. They have another successful, beautiful, high-end project in Lake St. Louis.

1099
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:46,140
So this is another local opportunity we're happy to bring forth to you.

1100
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:54,600
As Mr. Boyer mentioned, we have three public hearings, but four bills on the council's agenda tonight for first reading.

1101
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:04,160
And those involve the annexation of a 5.75 acre portion of our 8.3 acre parcel to be annexed into city limits and then

1102
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,220
rezoned with the contiguous zoning, which is R1E.

1103
01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:16,220
Then we also have the application, which you're going to have a public hearing to follow this on the rezoning of the entire site to R3A.

1104
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:20,840
And that's not for a multi-family land use, it's for a single family land use.

1105
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,480
However, with attached villas such as these, working with your city staff and the city

1106
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:30,560
planning department, we were advised that that was the most appropriate category to

1107
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:31,560
move forward with.

1108
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:37,680
And then lastly, a rezoning to the planned district residential designation, and that also

1109
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,840
has the preliminary development plan for the Stone Moss villas with it.

1110
01:23:42,340 --> 01:23:49,820
So what we're trying to do here is bring a new residential high-end luxury villa community

1111
01:23:49,820 --> 01:23:55,780
to Miyuki Road and the City of St. Charles. It will fit a need for maintenance

1112
01:23:55,780 --> 01:24:01,960
reliving and it is absolutely in line with the city's comprehensive plan and other

1113
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:07,320
developments seen in the area. Here is a color version of the preliminary

1114
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:08,460
development plan.

1115
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:14,960
Since having this project site under contract,

1116
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,320
Larson Development has communicated with the city,

1117
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:21,980
has communicated with the neighboring property owners non-stop.

1118
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:26,740
So the version before you tonight reflects a condition we worked with,

1119
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,480
with staff with the neighboring Hampton Place community,

1120
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:33,120
and with planning and zoning commissions to add a condition

1121
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,420
that we relocate some of the amenities to make the neighbors happier.

1122
01:24:36,820 --> 01:24:40,020
So we relocated the dog park to the center of the site

1123
01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:43,180
and in doing so it allowed us to change our grading plan

1124
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:47,940
and save additional trees along the perimeter with Hampton Place.

1125
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,140
So I like this slide.

1126
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,660
You can see the new landscaping that their substantial buffers

1127
01:24:53,660 --> 01:24:57,000
surrounding the project from adjacent residential communities.

1128
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,700
Also the layout and then one new access point off of Muggy Road.

1129
01:25:05,710 --> 01:25:09,670
As part of a plan district, the outdoor spaces are very important.

1130
01:25:10,570 --> 01:25:13,390
So again, the amenities here are the dog park.

1131
01:25:13,390 --> 01:25:20,570
We have dog waste stations, a pavilion, garden areas in the significant common ground, along with

1132
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:23,750
those heavily landscape buffers and common ground areas.

1133
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:29,970
There's new streets, new sidewalks on both sides, and new infrastructure is planned for

1134
01:25:29,970 --> 01:25:32,350
this project, which I'll touch on a little more later.

1135
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:36,130
That's not an amenity, it's just a benefit to the site in general.

1136
01:25:36,830 --> 01:25:40,270
The entire property will be landscaped,

1137
01:25:40,510 --> 01:25:42,410
sodded professionally, and have irrigation.

1138
01:25:43,230 --> 01:25:46,730
And that is because it'll be managed by a professional management company.

1139
01:25:47,150 --> 01:25:51,130
This is a high-end luxury villa product for maintenance free living.

1140
01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:55,590
So a standard of excellence will be required here,

1141
01:25:55,590 --> 01:26:00,290
and as such frequent inspections to make sure all of the exterior maintenance

1142
01:26:00,290 --> 01:26:02,710
is being handled are part of the plan.

1143
01:26:03,730 --> 01:26:11,350
The homes are a luxury villa product attached in groups mostly with a few singles.

1144
01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:16,110
There are three different villa products that are going to be offered here, a ranch, a

1145
01:26:16,110 --> 01:26:17,890
a story and a half, and a two story.

1146
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:25,470
So they all vary in what they offer from main floor master bedroom to just main floor living

1147
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:31,090
in those ranches to also having entertainment space and just open floor plans for those

1148
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:39,050
home offices that people are are desiring and large gourmet kitchens. All homes will be

1149
01:26:40,050 --> 01:26:46,150
modern, modern floor plants open, what the market wants. All have two car attach garages,

1150
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:48,430
all have full basements provided.

1151
01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:53,510
There's going to be six unique elevations offered here,

1152
01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:59,650
two for each type of home, the ranch, the story and a half in the two story. And all of the homes

1153
01:26:59,650 --> 01:27:07,150
included in stone moss villas will have high end features, granite quartz, masonry elements,

1154
01:27:07,470 --> 01:27:12,830
architectural shingles, and the like. This is intended to be a high end community, and

1155
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:14,610
it will be built as such.

1156
01:27:17,390 --> 01:27:22,450
Here are some sample elevations just to show you. This is by no means

1157
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:26,870
all of the offerings that will be built, all the homes that will be built in this community.

1158
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:27,910
So,

1159
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:36,460
touching on storm water, we had the public hearing at planning and zoning and they

1160
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:41,760
did recommend approval of this project as does your staff report, but a lot of the

1161
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,700
neighbors were concerned about storm water from this project.

1162
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:51,380
In our experience in real estate development across the board, bringing infrastructure

1163
01:27:51,380 --> 01:27:56,780
to a site allows you to install storm water management facilities, allows you to bring

1164
01:27:56,780 --> 01:28:01,020
in storm sewers, bring in detention basins, properly grade the site.

1165
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:02,880
Here, none of that has occurred.

1166
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:06,360
So any runoff, neighboring properties could be experiencing

1167
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:07,920
from this site.

1168
01:28:08,060 --> 01:28:09,200
This will help that.

1169
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:12,360
You have to control your own water, clean it,

1170
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,200
and get it into the storm water system appropriately,

1171
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,480
in a timed fashion.

1172
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:21,020
So that won't only help storm water related concerns

1173
01:28:21,020 --> 01:28:22,280
that are stemming from this property.

1174
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,260
Other properties in the area, however,

1175
01:28:24,260 --> 01:28:26,280
we wouldn't have much control over.

1176
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,380
All of the stormwater infrastructure will meet the city's code,

1177
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:34,340
the city's standards, 100%, and be professionally maintained,

1178
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,840
just like all other exterior features of this community.

1179
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:44,480
The other main topic of concern from the neighbors

1180
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,860
is traffic, traffic along New Year Road.

1181
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,540
So this site, this project, was of a low enough density

1182
01:28:53,540 --> 01:28:58,780
and small in nature and didn't meet the markers to require a full traffic impact study,

1183
01:28:58,780 --> 01:29:07,540
like you would for a strip center or a drive through or a Costco, or a 300-home, large residential

1184
01:29:07,540 --> 01:29:12,900
community. We didn't meet the markers. However, we did hire, lock-neular group, and our traffic

1185
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:20,580
consultant is here, to do an traffic impact analysis or an assessment, which was quite thorough,

1186
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:25,520
more so than is required for our application in the middle on this project and the findings

1187
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:34,500
were that the impact of stone moss villas on muby will be marginal if it all that it will

1188
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:39,420
not create a major impact and that was presented in the staff report detailed in the staff

1189
01:29:39,420 --> 01:29:44,460
report that you should have and explained to the planning and zoning commission as well.

1190
01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:48,560
So we're happy to talk you through that should you have any questions about how the traffic

1191
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:55,700
was reviewed. Also, as it sits today, there's three homes with three curb cuts on Muggy

1192
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:59,660
rope. We will be eliminating two curb cuts.

1193
01:30:00,110 --> 01:30:07,930
Putting in one, a roadway built to city standards, even though we'll be privately maintained by the community, by Larson Development.

1194
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:15,110
And that will change by having one more efficient curb cut bit built to city standards.

1195
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:21,130
We are not creating a detriment to Muggy Road. We're lessening the amount of curb cuts.

1196
01:30:21,130 --> 01:30:30,110
and traffic counts, site distance and location have all been reviewed and all meet your city's code and your city's standards.

1197
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:37,770
We have complied for this project with all of the city's planning documents.

1198
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:43,310
The annexation is called for in this area. This is a growth area in the city's comprehensive plan.

1199
01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:50,170
The residential development, the Villa Project, is in line with the density and with the

1200
01:30:50,170 --> 01:30:51,990
development you've seen in this area.

1201
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:55,650
It fully complies with the requirements of your city code.

1202
01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:00,690
And it is in line with the development patterns that you have seen in this area.

1203
01:31:01,170 --> 01:31:02,850
There are adjacent Villa communities.

1204
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:05,950
There are residential communities in this area.

1205
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:08,110
A commercial use wouldn't go here.

1206
01:31:08,210 --> 01:31:10,870
This is the type of land use that is appropriate here.

1207
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:15,370
And it satisfies the intent of a planned district zoning district.

1208
01:31:16,130 --> 01:31:17,210
It's got efficient planning.

1209
01:31:17,630 --> 01:31:21,250
It's prioritizing tree preservation and common ground.

1210
01:31:21,770 --> 01:31:23,590
Prioritizing community amenities.

1211
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:28,610
And bringing infrastructure, bringing an aesthetic,

1212
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:31,390
and bringing a high-end luxury community to the city.

1213
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:38,630
And I will be happy to answer your questions and discuss any of the concerns

1214
01:31:38,630 --> 01:31:44,290
that we have heard from some of the public speakers, should you have any, because I don't

1215
01:31:44,290 --> 01:31:49,850
think you want me to use this time on that unless I'm mistaken. But to finish this part

1216
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:55,830
of my presentation, this is a consistent project with what the city wants to see, which is

1217
01:31:55,830 --> 01:32:01,630
high-end luxury development, residential development. The staff report highlights how our

1218
01:32:01,630 --> 01:32:08,130
density here for the Stone Moss Villas is less than other communities in the area, and within

1219
01:32:08,130 --> 01:32:11,110
the range of what would be anticipated on this property.

1220
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:16,010
The architectural elements and amenities are in line with what you attract in a planned

1221
01:32:16,010 --> 01:32:23,770
district development, such as this, and the city staff did a deep-diver view and they found

1222
01:32:23,770 --> 01:32:28,750
compliance with the city's governing documents and recommended approval as did the planning

1223
01:32:28,750 --> 01:32:29,830
and zoning commission.

1224
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:36,630
So we are here asking the city council to likewise look at this amazing residential project,

1225
01:32:36,630 --> 01:32:44,390
see how it complies, see how it will improve this property from an infrastructure standpoint and bring quality

1226
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:51,150
residents to the city and frankly allow people who want maintenance free living and already live here to stay.

1227
01:32:51,650 --> 01:33:00,550
There is a need for this type of development and we strongly appreciate your open mind and your consideration.

1228
01:33:00,550 --> 01:33:02,890
and we understand the rental concept

1229
01:33:02,890 --> 01:33:05,870
throws some people off and we've heard the criticism.

1230
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:10,330
But any single family home can be rented long-term.

1231
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:14,630
There is no prohibition against any of us renting out

1232
01:33:14,630 --> 01:33:17,850
our home in St. Charles to long as it's over a year lease.

1233
01:33:18,530 --> 01:33:22,770
Airbnb, VRBO, those can be prohibited by homeowners associations

1234
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:25,610
and often are and by cities and counties.

1235
01:33:25,610 --> 01:33:30,710
but anyone who owns a property has the right to rent it.

1236
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:32,830
And there's many reasons for that,

1237
01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:36,310
to be able to travel, to be able to have the maintenance free living,

1238
01:33:36,810 --> 01:33:40,050
to move for a new job and not be familiar with your career,

1239
01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:41,710
but want to hire and standard.

1240
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:43,710
These are four professionals.

1241
01:33:44,050 --> 01:33:46,730
These are for Boeing, these are for MasterCard.

1242
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:49,670
These are for empty nesters.

1243
01:33:50,150 --> 01:33:53,770
Who want to know how home will be maintained and be maintained professionally

1244
01:33:53,770 --> 01:33:56,930
while they're traveling while they're in Florida for three months.

1245
01:33:57,350 --> 01:34:05,970
That's the market here, there is no crime, there's no concerns such as a low quality

1246
01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:13,570
resident, not that I think any municipality no matter how hard we try can determine that in advance.

1247
01:34:14,110 --> 01:34:19,630
So what we're doing is bringing you a luxury product at a luxury price point and a great

1248
01:34:19,630 --> 01:34:22,770
area that will be beautiful and beautifully maintained.

1249
01:34:23,650 --> 01:34:27,490
And we appreciate your consideration and we're here to answer your questions.

1250
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:30,690
Any questions for the applicant?

1251
01:34:36,020 --> 01:34:36,740
Seeing none.

1252
01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:37,160
Thank you.

1253
01:34:37,860 --> 01:34:38,560
Thank you.

1254
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:39,380
Okay.

1255
01:34:39,900 --> 01:34:44,580
So the next several cards I have are, they're noted on here that they're here to answer questions

1256
01:34:44,580 --> 01:34:45,060
if needed.

1257
01:34:45,220 --> 01:34:46,680
So I'll just call those folks up.

1258
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,960
And if you all have any questions for them or if they'd like to speak, they can do that.

1259
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:56,740
The first one is Carl Shnooniki, and he is here representing CEC Incorporated.

1260
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:08,620
All right.

1261
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:10,260
Yeah.

1262
01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:10,520
What else?

1263
01:35:11,380 --> 01:35:11,940
Here you go.

1264
01:35:16,810 --> 01:35:19,090
I'm here for the new town later in the meeting.

1265
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:20,970
But I am also the engineer of record.

1266
01:35:21,170 --> 01:35:21,710
Thank you.

1267
01:35:22,010 --> 01:35:23,190
Just don't miss well as.

1268
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:23,430
Yeah.

1269
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:24,890
Representing two things.

1270
01:35:25,170 --> 01:35:26,190
Thank you.

1271
01:35:27,090 --> 01:35:30,150
Instead of sending two people, I got them both.

1272
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:31,130
Excuse me.

1273
01:35:31,490 --> 01:35:35,630
But as I said, my name is Carl Shnooniki, and I'm with CEC civil,

1274
01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:41,890
and environmental consultants located here in the city of St. Charles down in the street St. Charles

1275
01:35:43,570 --> 01:35:51,710
complex and I'm the engineer of record on this and as stated I mean we're looking they're looking

1276
01:35:51,710 --> 01:35:57,910
to go high in development here and the storm sewers are going to meet or exceed the city requirements

1277
01:35:58,430 --> 01:36:03,830
as far as attention and run off and we're trying to fix some of the issues with the way that water is

1278
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:07,790
currently running, because there's no controls on it.

1279
01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:11,910
As far as the access, we meet the city standards

1280
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:15,970
and for site distance going north and south.

1281
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:20,170
And really I'm just here to answer any questions you would have,

1282
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:22,770
whether it be now or at a different portion of the meeting.

1283
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:25,940
Questions?

1284
01:36:29,290 --> 01:36:30,410
Seeing that, thank you.

1285
01:36:30,810 --> 01:36:34,310
Next is Max Lode, and he's also here representing the applicant

1286
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:37,350
and is available to speaker answer any questions?

1287
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:45,350
Good evening. I'm Max Ladden. I'm with the developer. Thank you for hearing our proposal and I'm here to answer any questions you might have.

1288
01:36:45,670 --> 01:36:46,350
Thank you.

1289
01:36:47,130 --> 01:36:48,210
Any questions at all?

1290
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:51,300
Very good.

1291
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:52,880
Thank you.

1292
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:54,160
Michelle Romain.

1293
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:57,720
She's here representing Lockmieler Group on behalf of Larsson.

1294
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:06,700
Hello, good evening. I'm Michelle Romain, a licensed professional engineer in the state of Missouri and a professional traffic operation here on behalf of Lockmieler Group.

1295
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:09,960
I'm here to help answer any questions that you may have with respect to the traffic.

1296
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:13,180
Who's virtual?

1297
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:20,460
Um, I don't know if this is a question for you or staff, but when you were looking at the

1298
01:37:20,460 --> 01:37:24,280
traffic patterns, the cars coming in and out,

1299
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:29,970
were you looking at speed, the speed rate of the-

1300
01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:46,880
So, the speed is typically taken into consideration for the site distance, whenever you place the access drive, you want to make sure it's in a safe spot. The site distance has been evaluated both by CEC as well as the city staff and it was determined that adequate sites this since was made for the speed of the roadway.

1301
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:49,500
Okay, was that minimum standards?

1302
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:55,960
Yes, and as well as the design speed, which is five miles above the posts, it's be them at two.

1303
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,540
Thank you.

1304
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:03,140
Thanks. You have a question?

1305
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:04,460
Mr. Holler.

1306
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:08,300
Yeah. Can you explain, I was at planning and zoning.

1307
01:38:09,700 --> 01:38:12,960
And your traffic study, what was the traffic volume

1308
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,900
that was projected from this development

1309
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:19,080
both during the morning hours in the evening return?

1310
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:21,720
Yes. So the anticipated traffic development

1311
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,220
or generation would be 14 trips in the morning peak hour

1312
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:27,800
and then 21 trips in the evening peak hour.

1313
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,000
These are the typical commuter peak hours along Mugie Road,

1314
01:38:31,260 --> 01:38:32,140
when it's a busiest.

1315
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,520
These numbers are based on the Institute

1316
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,160
of Transportation Engineers' Trip Generation Manual.

1317
01:38:37,340 --> 01:38:39,700
They're based on calculations from studies

1318
01:38:39,700 --> 01:38:42,960
well over 25 studies on both peak hours.

1319
01:38:44,580 --> 01:38:48,620
So out of the number of houses are units that are there,

1320
01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:50,660
you know, there's somewhere around 50 cars

1321
01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:52,300
or you're only thinking 14 or leaving

1322
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:53,660
in the peak time in the morning.

1323
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:55,120
That's in the peak hour.

1324
01:38:55,340 --> 01:38:57,560
So each house to give a little bit more background

1325
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:02,920
over the course of a full day. So 24 hours of the day would generate about six to seven trips.

1326
01:39:03,580 --> 01:39:07,240
So think about your house and your family. You know, if you have a two-car garage, two people

1327
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:13,580
leaving to go to work, that's four trips. And then you have another two to three trips. If you were to go to the grocery store,

1328
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,580
take your kit to soccer, it's a reasonable amount of trips or at the course of a day.

1329
01:39:18,060 --> 01:39:22,780
That said, these trips are spurred out all throughout the day. Not everybody has the same work schedules.

1330
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:26,540
some people are retired, some people work from home.

1331
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,900
They don't all occur within one hour.

1332
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:31,740
They happen pretty consistently throughout a day.

1333
01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:34,220
And as noted during the peak hour, when you

1334
01:39:34,220 --> 01:39:36,200
get noticed the busiest, it would be anticipated

1335
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,120
that there would only be about 21 trips in the PN that's

1336
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:39,420
the highest.

1337
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:41,620
That's one trip every three minutes.

1338
01:39:41,860 --> 01:39:44,640
That's not a significant, you know, almost in consequential.

1339
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:48,560
And then I think the other issue that came up planning

1340
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:55,700
zoning was the site distance they're going up the hill. Have you looked at other

1341
01:39:55,700 --> 01:40:01,680
opportunities for a different location of the entryway into it to kind of

1342
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:08,580
alleviate that site concern? Yeah, so the location of the access drive is

1343
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,680
CEC's working on that. I know that there is another location. They've been

1344
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:17,740
working with city staff. If you do have a specific question, Coral, would be

1345
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:26,440
Well, but there is another location, and it's my understanding that the applicant is open to moving to that location if it's preferred sight distance was met at both locations.

1346
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:32,180
Okay, I think behind you wants to speak to that issue.

1347
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:44,920
Hi, yes. Again, we've been very communicative with city staff and Carl R. Engineer has looked at some options.

1348
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:50,940
And there's only really two potential options here, both of which meet the city standard.

1349
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:59,360
So we still wish to move forward with the presented plan because there weren't any major benefits from the other alternative.

1350
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:05,580
But if there is an alternative plan that if that's the city's preference, we'll entertain that.

1351
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:14,900
But from our review of the city's comments and Carl's review, we didn't see there was much benefit to move it.

1352
01:41:16,100 --> 01:41:18,980
But we're open if that's the council's preference.

1353
01:41:23,140 --> 01:41:26,020
Yeah, yes. So has the engineering looked at that alternative?

1354
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,260
I mean, do we know?

1355
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,380
Uh, we sent a, oh great.

1356
01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:41,460
Yeah, I'm Nick Galler for everyone in the audience.

1357
01:41:42,140 --> 01:41:43,720
I'm the assistant to City Engineer.

1358
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,020
And yeah, we did take a look,

1359
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:50,320
a preliminary layout that looked at shifting the entrance further to the south,

1360
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:53,600
which would allow for even more side distance.

1361
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:58,820
So, as they mentioned before, the current layout that they have does meet our minimum

1362
01:41:58,820 --> 01:42:04,160
criteria for both 40 mile an hour, which is the postage speed, and 45 miles an hour.

1363
01:42:04,820 --> 01:42:10,560
As you move further to the south, you kind of get to the crest of the hill, and at some

1364
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,500
point, you're able to see much, much further.

1365
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:21,400
So the plenary layout that we've crucially, you know, initially reviewed that intranslocation

1366
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,160
would exceed our minimum standards.

1367
01:42:23,460 --> 01:42:26,000
You'd be able to see much farther than the minimum.

1368
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,740
So with that said, would you prefer that other locations?

1369
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:37,780
Does it provide a greater sight distance or, I mean,

1370
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,180
you just looked at it pulling on, you know,

1371
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:42,500
just, yeah, correct.

1372
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:45,820
From a sight distance standpoint and from a transportation standpoint,

1373
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,200
you would be a safer benefit

1374
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:54,540
and there'd be more improvements for having the entrance shifted further towards the south

1375
01:42:54,540 --> 01:43:00,440
because you'd be able to see much further and it gave drivers more time to react to

1376
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,240
turning movements coming in and out of the subdivision.

1377
01:43:03,980 --> 01:43:04,520
Thank you.

1378
01:43:06,670 --> 01:43:07,330
Mr. Bradford.

1379
01:43:08,890 --> 01:43:10,190
So I mean I wanted to ask that same thing.

1380
01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:15,130
So you're saying this secondary proposed entrance location is safer.

1381
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:16,630
Would be safer in your opinion.

1382
01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:19,250
Yes, it exceeds our minimum standards.

1383
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:24,110
the currently out that they have does meet our current standard, but the shifted entrance would

1384
01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:24,910
exceed those.

1385
01:43:24,970 --> 01:43:28,310
Okay, able to see further down the road.

1386
01:43:28,810 --> 01:43:28,830
Good.

1387
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:29,590
Thank you, Nick.

1388
01:43:29,730 --> 01:43:30,110
For that.

1389
01:43:31,170 --> 01:43:35,690
So, you know, that's a concern that I think made sense from a lot of residents who spoke

1390
01:43:35,690 --> 01:43:40,310
tonight because New Year Road is not a bubble.

1391
01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:42,590
People with the speed on it there?

1392
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:45,090
Forty miles per hour is the post of speed.

1393
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:45,570
Okay.

1394
01:43:45,630 --> 01:43:49,230
And I think the traffic study said, we think people

1395
01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:51,150
might go five miles over, right?

1396
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:53,350
OK.

1397
01:43:54,190 --> 01:43:56,550
That's what our traffic engineers have to look at.

1398
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:58,150
That's what they look at to decide.

1399
01:43:58,810 --> 01:44:03,050
And what I'm suggesting is real world people are going faster than that.

1400
01:44:03,170 --> 01:44:03,510
I don't know.

1401
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:05,850
We used to have signs out there.

1402
01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:09,610
Do we have records that people do go faster than five miles over?

1403
01:44:09,650 --> 01:44:10,170
We do.

1404
01:44:10,810 --> 01:44:11,410
We do.

1405
01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:16,110
You know, I don't know if there's something we can't just look at it in a

1406
01:44:16,110 --> 01:44:20,350
and say, well, 50 homes is 14 in the morning, 21 in the evening, so we don't need a traffic

1407
01:44:20,350 --> 01:44:20,630
study.

1408
01:44:21,050 --> 01:44:27,090
Is there something we can do to broaden that look at the impact and what it would be on

1409
01:44:27,090 --> 01:44:27,290
Muggy?

1410
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:27,930
I don't know.

1411
01:44:28,170 --> 01:44:29,370
Is there something we can do?

1412
01:44:29,650 --> 01:44:35,770
Yeah, what I would say is right now, at a four lane section, Muggy today, our average daily

1413
01:44:35,770 --> 01:44:41,630
traffic is about 20,000 cars per day, and with that type of a roadway, it's essentially

1414
01:44:41,630 --> 01:44:44,670
able to handle up to 40,000 cars per day.

1415
01:44:45,170 --> 01:44:51,170
So, that is a four lane section that's interceasing and that's what a four lane road can handle.

1416
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:58,130
So, the additional development with 50 units, any amount of cars, six to seven trips per day,

1417
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:59,970
that's in line with what we see at others.

1418
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,580
We're looking for developments for residential units, the amount of traffic that you're talking about per day is between, you know, 200 to 500 cards max.

1419
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:15,520
So the amount of volume during the day would be almost negligible in comparison to the volumes that we see on Muggy today.

1420
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:24,560
So what I would say is that we don't anticipate or expect any major traffic impacts based on this development.

1421
01:45:25,060 --> 01:45:29,560
The additional traffic that could be generated is really for their access in and out of the subdivision.

1422
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:33,820
The volumes that are coming in and out does not warrant a traffic signal.

1423
01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:36,660
That would probably add for more congestion on MIGI.

1424
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:39,640
So staff would not be supportive of a signal at that location.

1425
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,760
So the amount of traffic is just one way in and out of that subdivision.

1426
01:45:43,820 --> 01:45:47,240
It's not connected to a graystone or other side streets.

1427
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:52,940
So the traffic problems that makes this for that development is isolated to that development.

1428
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,020
their struggles coming in and out of the subdivision, because the volumes are high on

1429
01:45:57,020 --> 01:46:00,980
Miyagi would be the users of that development.

1430
01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:03,520
Right, and that makes sense to me.

1431
01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:07,760
You know, if you choose to rent there, you're going to have to deal with getting out.

1432
01:46:08,580 --> 01:46:14,080
What I'm trying to get at is the existing conditions on Miyagi are not people going to speed limit

1433
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:14,900
plus five.

1434
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:17,180
They are people going faster than that.

1435
01:46:17,180 --> 01:46:23,360
So, you know, in approving this, are we creating an unsafe condition?

1436
01:46:23,660 --> 01:46:27,660
We know people speed there, you know, I mean, because there were records, right, Ms.

1437
01:46:27,780 --> 01:46:28,000
Mitchell?

1438
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:34,960
Of the average speed of the vehicle in this area is 47 to 49 miles per hour.

1439
01:46:35,900 --> 01:46:35,920
Right.

1440
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:36,080
Yeah.

1441
01:46:36,180 --> 01:46:43,140
So, it's called like the 85th percentile, which is the amount of traffic, most drivers are

1442
01:46:43,140 --> 01:46:49,320
probably driving like Miss Mitchell said between 45 and 50 miles per hour. So the site

1443
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:54,360
distance that they looked at on their original one, where we require five miles per hour

1444
01:46:54,360 --> 01:47:00,140
over the post is element, knowing that, you know, almost all circumstances, people are driving

1445
01:47:00,140 --> 01:47:05,300
faster than this post is element. That's what they met on their original location. With the

1446
01:47:05,300 --> 01:47:11,540
shifted location, they're able to see at 55 miles an hour or plus. Besides distance, it hasn't

1447
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:15,560
that much to where they can see much further down the road.

1448
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:20,900
So not only for the 85th percentile, but even the extreme speeders, if they shift the entrance

1449
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:26,560
further to the south, they'll be able to see much further than they would be at their

1450
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:27,420
proposal occasion.

1451
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,860
I mean, that's my biggest concern is creating a safe condition for anyone who travels on

1452
01:47:32,860 --> 01:47:32,960
you.

1453
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:37,540
Whether they are moving into a new rental or they live there or they're just using it to

1454
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:39,320
work from another neighborhood.

1455
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,140
Nick, I hate to catch off, guard.

1456
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,980
Is there a chance you could show us on Google Maps?

1457
01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:47,820
What I'm most interested in seeing,

1458
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:50,540
it may be someone else would be better prepared to do that.

1459
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:56,360
I'd like to really understand the three curb cuts going to one,

1460
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:01,340
John, if you could show us that and where

1461
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,800
the proposed from the applicant entrances,

1462
01:48:06,380 --> 01:48:09,300
And then where the secondary proposed one might be?

1463
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:18,470
I'm just going to work off Google Maps as the fastest thing I can get to if that's okay.

1464
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:21,270
I've partnered our GIS guy, so I'd love me to use their map.

1465
01:48:21,770 --> 01:48:21,990
Okay.

1466
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:31,200
Maybe you can see it over there.

1467
01:48:53,790 --> 01:48:55,390
Well, I'd like to be able to see it, too.

1468
01:49:04,820 --> 01:49:04,980
All right.

1469
01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:11,870
So today there are three existing driveways, essentially, on this property.

1470
01:49:12,530 --> 01:49:15,090
So there's a driveway. Can't remember where my mouse cursor is today.

1471
01:49:16,610 --> 01:49:18,630
Here. I believe here and here.

1472
01:49:19,170 --> 01:49:28,590
So, these three driveways will come to one roadway standard entrance on the property.

1473
01:49:30,670 --> 01:49:36,490
Their proposed plan today is somewhere in this area, with their entrance, a shifted entrance

1474
01:49:36,490 --> 01:49:38,590
would be closer to this driveway here.

1475
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:43,830
As you look towards the south, towards the bottom of the screen, you basically can see over

1476
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:44,770
the crest of the hill.

1477
01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:49,030
So you'll be able to see much further down the roadway on the shifted entrance.

1478
01:50:01,770 --> 01:50:03,370
We're able to do that with staff, sir.

1479
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:06,470
We're able to do that with staff or the applicant.

1480
01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:08,050
We're working that with.

1481
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:12,700
Because that's part of the public hearing, sir.

1482
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:18,110
Are you suggesting I shouldn't be able to ask a question of staff?

1483
01:50:18,910 --> 01:50:20,670
So I can understand how I should vote.

1484
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:26,070
That's not part of the public hearing, sir.

1485
01:50:26,710 --> 01:50:27,730
I appreciate your comment.

1486
01:50:27,730 --> 01:50:37,810
And this is part of the discussion here where we are asking questions directly of staff to get details back for us to be able to provide information for us to be able to vote.

1487
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:42,010
It's a staff member.

1488
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:53,710
Okay, so the secondary proposed location obviously has better visibility.

1489
01:50:54,290 --> 01:51:04,430
It exceeds our minimum, which personally I think exceeding the minimum on a road like this where people drive faster than they should.

1490
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:09,810
should probably be the goal. I would think. So thanks for bringing that up on

1491
01:51:09,810 --> 01:51:11,650
short notice without the warning Nick.

1492
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,940
This is Mitchell. Hi, Nick.

1493
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:20,760
The PD

1494
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:26,820
weigh in on if this location changes further south is that help with backup

1495
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:33,510
is possibly a great stone or spring melt that they weigh in. Does it what it

1496
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:38,510
up at either location, if someone was coming in or out of that neighborhood, on

1497
01:51:38,510 --> 01:51:39,170
Miuqi?

1498
01:51:39,370 --> 01:51:40,050
Traffic congestion.

1499
01:51:40,750 --> 01:51:48,550
Like, did PD weigh in and say, propose location one or propose location two

1500
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:55,850
to the south would be more safe as far as cars backing up or not?

1501
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:59,250
I have not talked to police department about the ship to the entrance yet.

1502
01:51:59,250 --> 01:52:08,950
Okay. But either either location still safety risk with the speeding, just better visibility

1503
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:16,730
at the, if it was moved, okay. Correct. So then my question is, let's say we close all

1504
01:52:16,730 --> 01:52:25,090
these public hearings. Is it staff that speaks to the applicant about, a changing the

1505
01:52:25,090 --> 01:52:29,970
entrance or do we need to amend that or ask them to.

1506
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,340
And then that tonight before we close the hearings.

1507
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:37,040
My understanding is they have a proposal out that they're able to provide tonight that they

1508
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,280
could show you a concept plan.

1509
01:52:39,980 --> 01:52:41,000
That is accurate.

1510
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:41,920
That is accurate.

1511
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:47,210
It would be best and proper.

1512
01:52:47,230 --> 01:52:48,650
Probably from your personal position.

1513
01:52:48,770 --> 01:52:49,170
I'm sorry.

1514
01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:54,950
We think it would be proper for you to probably continue the public hearing so that way all

1515
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:57,190
of your department heads can look at the alternative.

1516
01:52:57,990 --> 01:53:01,290
And then we can come back and conclude the public hearing at your next meetings.

1517
01:53:01,290 --> 01:53:06,270
And so that way, you don't feel like you're rushing anything unless you have a better perspective.

1518
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:10,510
But we have hard copies for all of you of the alternative entrance.

1519
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:19,240
From the community development standpoint, the planning side, shift in the entrance may

1520
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:23,720
solve one problem, but we still have to verify that with all the moving, the moths around,

1521
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:28,500
that that's not causing other issues of minimum compliance when it comes to the PD or the Zones

1522
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:33,120
stance, which we have not had an opportunity to fully vet out, so we would need some time to

1523
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:46,560
Okay, so if you're wanting to keep the public hearing open for staff to review that, are you

1524
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:52,300
asking for all of the public hearings to be left open or just one?

1525
01:53:55,780 --> 01:54:00,720
Well, for an annexation in recent meetings in preliminary plan approval, we want them all

1526
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:07,940
the same track anyway. So you can keep them all open or you could close, you know, the annexation

1527
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:13,440
and the first rezoning and only keep the PD1 open. It's up to, I mean it's up to you,

1528
01:54:13,500 --> 01:54:18,140
but we wouldn't want one approved without them all being approved on the same agenda eventually.

1529
01:54:20,910 --> 01:54:25,550
I guess I'd want something from staff. What do you think? We should be doing here.

1530
01:54:27,540 --> 01:54:32,900
I mean, it's their application. It's their proposal. They can have a request to you just

1531
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:38,020
like before we had an applicant with draw their application that is their right, I'm not suggesting

1532
01:54:38,020 --> 01:54:38,840
that here or anything.

1533
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,360
I'm just using that as an example.

1534
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:50,020
It's possible you could leave certain public hearings open and close the others from a technical

1535
01:54:50,020 --> 01:54:50,480
standpoint.

1536
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:52,660
The public hearing will still be available anyways.

1537
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,860
I think it's just a question of preference by maybe the council and the applicant,

1538
01:54:56,860 --> 01:54:59,840
whether they prefer to leave all of them open or only some of them.

1539
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:05,180
It might be a little messy to close a couple and keep others open.

1540
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:09,220
Probably keep them open, but how much time would the applicant need?

1541
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:11,600
Or the staff need?

1542
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:13,460
Well, we'll start with the applicant first.

1543
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:24,920
We have the hard plan, and we actually already had sent a PDF to staff, but your council packet

1544
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:31,120
had already gone out. And we didn't quite know this was a strong preference from the engineering

1545
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:34,660
department. I've never spoken to your engineering department. So hearing their perspective,

1546
01:55:35,420 --> 01:55:42,700
I think we're ready to submit and have it evaluated by staff. So continuing the planned district,

1547
01:55:43,380 --> 01:55:49,040
public hearing, and perhaps closing the rest if you agree, John, we're open to staff,

1548
01:55:51,640 --> 01:56:02,340
but we wouldn't want any action taken on the other bills until the plan district was right for discussion and potential approval.

1549
01:56:16,140 --> 01:56:20,260
So it sounds like the easiest way to make the most sense is leave all the public earnings open.

1550
01:56:20,660 --> 01:56:22,020
Let's go through the time.

1551
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:25,780
If we're ready to go on the next council meeting, we'll put it on the agenda.

1552
01:56:25,780 --> 01:56:29,540
but John saying that they should be able to get through it this week.

1553
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,680
Okay, so when would we be wanting to leave them open to?

1554
01:56:33,740 --> 01:56:36,960
To the next council meeting, which is the 18th, 18th.

1555
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:39,400
Okay.

1556
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:42,380
Okay.

1557
01:56:44,140 --> 01:56:47,980
We would provide a supplemental RCA with, you know, our findings,

1558
01:56:48,140 --> 01:56:50,700
whether it's still compliant or if there are any issues, obviously.

1559
01:56:51,860 --> 01:56:56,780
Are we still just on the first case?

1560
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:57,260
Yes.

1561
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:58,520
We're on L.

1562
01:56:58,980 --> 01:57:04,820
And if I may, it may be able, it also allows some of the residents that want to rebut some

1563
01:57:04,820 --> 01:57:09,220
of those to be able to come back, review that, and be able to come back at the next meeting,

1564
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,040
and be able to participate, and share their thoughts as well.

1565
01:57:14,570 --> 01:57:14,970
Mr. Bernie?

1566
01:57:16,150 --> 01:57:20,390
I may share my thoughts on the word rental.

1567
01:57:21,850 --> 01:57:31,050
When you think of Villa, I think of a luxury style, independent living, I don't necessarily think of rental, but I will say this to you.

1568
01:57:32,150 --> 01:57:36,470
I live in a Villa community, mile and a half from this location.

1569
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:46,670
We have 23 villas where I live, and we send on nine acres of these 23 villas.

1570
01:57:46,670 --> 01:57:53,950
And the one thing I can tell you about the residents and my bill of community, we won't have a traffic problem on Muggy if we were there.

1571
01:57:55,250 --> 01:58:00,030
All of their group and I live in those villas with myself, our average age is 75.

1572
01:58:01,110 --> 01:58:03,070
Their old folks like the mayor and myself.

1573
01:58:04,570 --> 01:58:13,490
And there's very few trips per day because only four of the toll 23 folks even have employment that they leave.

1574
01:58:13,490 --> 01:58:18,710
So, the word rental is not the word that fits the word villa.

1575
01:58:19,390 --> 01:58:28,030
Villa is a luxury independent living, and on that basis, I would say the proposal does not

1576
01:58:28,030 --> 01:58:32,750
merit the consideration of the word villa.

1577
01:58:33,410 --> 01:58:38,310
Now, if you can do what you want to do with that thing, but at the end of the day, consider

1578
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:48,390
this fact, and 6301 and 6303 for the last 12 months. There have been eight luxury

1579
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:56,550
villas that have sold. And 6 of the sold, the list sold in a day and a half, the average

1580
01:58:56,550 --> 01:59:04,330
list to sale price was 101%. So when you look at the statistic of what happens in villas

1581
01:59:04,330 --> 01:59:10,910
And St. Charles, they're actively purchased, they're actually purchased by older folks.

1582
01:59:11,910 --> 01:59:16,250
They're soft users of the infrastructure, and they're just great neighbors.

1583
01:59:16,490 --> 01:59:18,470
They don't make a lot of noise, they don't make anything.

1584
01:59:18,710 --> 01:59:20,130
They're just kind of, they're just there.

1585
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:26,770
Of the 15 years I've lived where I am, 14 of my neighbors have passed away.

1586
01:59:27,970 --> 01:59:30,530
You talk about soft users, those are soft users.

1587
01:59:31,170 --> 01:59:36,090
So I'm recommending that the Council consider this not to be the proper use of this property.

1588
01:59:36,870 --> 01:59:37,470
Thank you.

1589
01:59:47,450 --> 01:59:48,830
Name Ms. Mitchell, near Tina Motion.

1590
01:59:49,650 --> 01:59:49,810
Okay.

1591
01:59:50,030 --> 01:59:51,270
Oh, I'm sorry.

1592
01:59:51,610 --> 01:59:51,970
This is a foul.

1593
01:59:52,410 --> 01:59:52,810
No, I'm done.

1594
01:59:52,810 --> 01:59:54,750
Yeah, real quick, I want to.

1595
01:59:54,750 --> 01:59:56,430
I came up with a talk book.

1596
01:59:56,670 --> 01:59:56,970
Yes.

1597
01:59:57,190 --> 01:59:58,050
Okay, thank you.

1598
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:59,830
So...

1599
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:59,970
I've got...

1600
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,860
I have to miss Mitchell about this briefly, and I've listened to all the residents. I know a lot of them. Many residents and miss Mitchell's words since ours, but up to each other. I have five to six subdivisions off of New Year Road. The number one issue is always been congestion, traffic, her and I have worked closely with Lieutenant Jones to put those pedometers there. The speedometers have helped. Should you have faster going? I get a lot of, when I even travel down there, I get

1601
02:00:29,860 --> 02:00:35,560
slow down and shows what it should be. It helps but it's not, it's never going to be

1602
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:42,980
solve the issue of the traffic on Mugi Road. And this usage of right here I just don't

1603
02:00:42,980 --> 02:00:48,220
think it helps. Right now traffic lights alone is one of the biggest issues in my word

1604
02:00:48,220 --> 02:00:53,980
that we have to just some prior yearly because the different traffic each year more traffic is going

1605
02:00:53,980 --> 02:00:57,240
from 70 to 364, and you know,

1606
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:58,940
you wrote the busy road.

1607
02:00:59,740 --> 02:01:02,800
Spring gardens, since I've been elected,

1608
02:01:03,700 --> 02:01:05,500
still wants that place to be 25 miles an hour

1609
02:01:05,500 --> 02:01:06,180
on making a road.

1610
02:01:06,420 --> 02:01:07,360
That's not gonna happen.

1611
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,920
But adding more cars does not help the issue.

1612
02:01:12,220 --> 02:01:13,640
I believe the Solon Shooter family,

1613
02:01:14,380 --> 02:01:16,760
I've known, it was your brother, Mike.

1614
02:01:17,380 --> 02:01:20,900
Yeah, I really looked at the Mike, you know, he's missed.

1615
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,580
And I know how much you guys value that property

1616
02:01:23,580 --> 02:01:30,220
very, very much, and I used to talk about all time. So, I get it, not all development is

1617
02:01:31,260 --> 02:01:37,860
perfect for every location. So, even if you go to, is it off-graced on the next option?

1618
02:01:39,140 --> 02:01:43,460
There's no other option. No, the entrance? No, they were talking about further,

1619
02:01:43,460 --> 02:01:49,400
further towards the 1990s. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay. So, you get wrote. This is something that I'll take

1620
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:54,980
all the consideration the residents of obviously this is a big turnout but I appreciate

1621
02:01:54,980 --> 02:01:59,580
Larson presenting but I will tell you what it's going to be a hard pill to swallow at this

1622
02:01:59,580 --> 02:02:04,400
type of density and there we've had infrastructure needs problems already with the latest

1623
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:11,000
big storm how does that look with our storm motors system how does that look going forward

1624
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,980
so I consider all that information and I appreciate you guys coming out tonight by one of the

1625
02:02:15,980 --> 02:02:18,480
Please let you know where I stand, so thank you.

1626
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:24,440
This is Ventil.

1627
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:28,680
OK, I'm going to make a motion to hold the public hearing.

1628
02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:31,820
I'm case, we read the case.

1629
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:40,180
Z-2026-14 open until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

1630
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:41,480
Second.

1631
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:42,940
All right.

1632
02:02:45,110 --> 02:02:46,070
All just in fouls?

1633
02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:46,350
Aye.

1634
02:02:47,470 --> 02:02:47,910
I'm sorry.

1635
02:02:48,670 --> 02:02:49,630
Roll call, Tom Brunning.

1636
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:50,070
Aye.

1637
02:02:50,670 --> 02:02:51,570
Just in fouls.

1638
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:52,290
Aye.

1639
02:02:52,290 --> 02:02:57,650
Thank you, Michael Galba, Brian Gouldt, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander,

1640
02:02:57,910 --> 02:03:04,350
abstain, abstain Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle,

1641
02:03:05,950 --> 02:03:09,750
no, I, okay, thank you, Denise Mitchell, I, Vince Ratchford,

1642
02:03:10,290 --> 02:03:15,370
okay, that passes, that'll be held open until the August 18th regular city council meeting.

1643
02:03:16,770 --> 02:03:20,170
Next up is case number z-2026-15.

1644
02:03:20,170 --> 02:03:23,150
This is Larson Development LLC, an application to

1645
02:03:23,150 --> 02:03:25,950
Resone and 8.39 acre more or less.

1646
02:03:26,130 --> 02:03:31,030
Tractively and located at 17, 04, 17, 10, and 17, 12

1647
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:35,290
Muggy Road from R-1 E Single Family Residential District to

1648
02:03:35,290 --> 02:03:38,290
R-3A Multiple Family Residential District.

1649
02:03:38,490 --> 02:03:43,450
Subject property located in Ward 5 and referencing.

1650
02:03:43,870 --> 02:03:44,590
Excuse me.

1651
02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:47,450
Council Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 4.

1652
02:03:48,190 --> 02:03:50,910
As indicated, this is kind of the second step in this development.

1653
02:03:51,010 --> 02:03:55,670
This is a technical step in order to get to the PD before you get to our plan district,

1654
02:03:55,830 --> 02:04:00,950
which is the next public hearing, the zoning that proceeds it is used to establish uses,

1655
02:04:01,330 --> 02:04:06,270
densities, setbacks in order to either provide flexibility or not flexibility through the PD.

1656
02:04:06,730 --> 02:04:08,970
So the multi-family here is a technical step.

1657
02:04:09,250 --> 02:04:14,930
Their intent is attached, single-family, not rental, which would be permitted by right,

1658
02:04:14,930 --> 02:04:18,250
obviously within the R3A multi-family use.

1659
02:04:18,530 --> 02:04:21,370
This item was at the Planning and Zoning Commission on July 13th.

1660
02:04:21,370 --> 02:04:22,170
The applicant spoke.

1661
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:24,450
There were nine speakers as I indicated before.

1662
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:26,450
With general questions and concerns,

1663
02:04:26,850 --> 02:04:30,250
stormwater traffic, trees, and the rental use of the overall project.

1664
02:04:31,090 --> 02:04:32,430
Ultimately, in addition to either,

1665
02:04:32,430 --> 02:04:34,530
there were six letters from the public that was also included.

1666
02:04:35,110 --> 02:04:37,210
Ultimately, the application was for it with a recommendation

1667
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:39,770
by the P&Z Commission, six in favor,

1668
02:04:40,330 --> 02:04:41,910
one opposed, one abstention,

1669
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:45,370
I'd be happy to answer any more questions on this one.

1670
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:48,280
And further questions.

1671
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:50,500
Ms. Mitchell.

1672
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:54,950
R2A versus R3A.

1673
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:56,070
There's no R2A, I'm sorry.

1674
02:04:56,130 --> 02:04:56,790
There isn't.

1675
02:04:57,490 --> 02:04:59,910
Just written down from R1 to R3A.

1676
02:04:59,970 --> 02:05:04,750
We have R2 as far as the analysis.

1677
02:05:05,150 --> 02:05:09,530
I don't recall the full analysis on the R3.

1678
02:05:09,530 --> 02:05:16,670
The R2 has, you know, maybe the applicant can provide some more insight here too as well.

1679
02:05:17,050 --> 02:05:24,530
R2 does have some stringent requirements as far as setbacks, lot sizes, that they may have been trying to,

1680
02:05:25,450 --> 02:05:30,490
I don't want to say the word avoid, but move into a district that would be more beneficial to what they were trying to achieve.

1681
02:05:31,050 --> 02:05:34,870
R3A was done that, as far as it gives them the attached town home.

1682
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:39,830
can still allow single family, but ultimately R2 was chosen by the applicants.

1683
02:05:41,010 --> 02:05:46,290
I can confirm with Aaron, she's back there, but I don't believe R2 was chosen by the applicant.

1684
02:05:46,630 --> 02:05:46,950
That's correct.

1685
02:05:47,070 --> 02:05:52,170
But R2 would allow multi-family attached with a single law.

1686
02:05:52,630 --> 02:05:53,770
Not multi-family.

1687
02:05:55,010 --> 02:05:55,910
It's a very technical...

1688
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:56,990
Types though.

1689
02:05:56,990 --> 02:05:57,750
Dplex, correct.

1690
02:05:58,010 --> 02:05:58,530
Or Villa.

1691
02:05:59,110 --> 02:05:59,750
Dplex or Villa?

1692
02:05:59,770 --> 02:06:02,330
There were not more than two connected in a law.

1693
02:06:02,330 --> 02:06:09,150
That's correct. Which is what is being proposed. Right. They are proposing single homes or

1694
02:06:10,730 --> 02:06:11,930
town homes

1695
02:06:11,930 --> 02:06:16,370
two stories attached with a single wall with two units.

1696
02:06:17,690 --> 02:06:20,710
So why would why would R2

1697
02:06:21,290 --> 02:06:23,230
not be

1698
02:06:23,230 --> 02:06:30,230
considered versus R3? I cannot give you that. Yeah, I can't keep you that answer tonight. It's just more intense is what I'm you know

1699
02:06:30,230 --> 02:06:37,350
Yes, but I think it would fit under R2, so I'm just trying to understand why the higher intensity.

1700
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:39,310
I'd have to review that real quick.

1701
02:06:39,390 --> 02:06:41,310
I don't know if the applicant had to put you on the spot.

1702
02:06:41,790 --> 02:06:43,610
But while you're speaking, I can look too as well.

1703
02:06:45,130 --> 02:06:46,190
It's a good question.

1704
02:06:47,450 --> 02:06:48,330
Pardon me.

1705
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:53,910
I've reviewed the staff report and detail.

1706
02:06:54,750 --> 02:06:59,170
And in the staff report, you'll see that they kind of looked at all the villa communities,

1707
02:06:59,170 --> 02:07:07,030
kind of in the general area and this was the zoning district that the more recent ones went

1708
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:13,710
with is the underlying and we were just advised that it was the more appropriate one for the land

1709
02:07:13,710 --> 02:07:18,810
use here and then the PD that the preliminary development plan once that's approved that's all you

1710
02:07:18,810 --> 02:07:25,400
can build so the the zoning was really secondary because the plan that gets approved is all you're

1711
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:29,700
to do with it. So staff kind of guided us a little bit in this direction.

1712
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:40,400
Okay. I just am still not under staff. I'm not understanding why we're doing a higher and since she's if it would fit under art too.

1713
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:49,480
I want to give you my gut answer on it. I think the reasoning was, I could probably pull up the staff report.

1714
02:07:49,820 --> 02:07:57,860
There is some R3 in the area. You're seeing as a comparable to what was already there, and from a zoning standpoint, we don't like to reintroduce.

1715
02:07:57,860 --> 02:07:59,360
not saying that R2 couldn't be.

1716
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:02,040
However, those are owner occupied and not rental.

1717
02:08:02,580 --> 02:08:03,500
And there's a difference.

1718
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:06,380
And so if you're R3 in your rental,

1719
02:08:06,460 --> 02:08:08,760
that could also introduce apartments down the road.

1720
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:09,380
This is true.

1721
02:08:09,580 --> 02:08:12,020
So that's why I'm asking why the higher intent

1722
02:08:12,020 --> 02:08:14,260
you use if it could qualify for R2.

1723
02:08:14,580 --> 02:08:18,680
Again, R3 would also allow an individual owner occupied as well.

1724
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:19,980
It's not just rental.

1725
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:21,860
It does allow a Howard density.

1726
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:23,960
It's 18 units per acre over the R2,

1727
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:26,240
which I'm not going to do the math here.

1728
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:35,520
But yeah, you're right, it's a higher density and the R3 I think was just chosen primarily looking at the map, zoning map R3 is in the area.

1729
02:08:36,500 --> 02:08:37,240
Maybe staff could.

1730
02:08:38,380 --> 02:08:39,120
We certainly could do that.

1731
02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:39,820
We certainly could do that.

1732
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:45,780
Maybe staff could look into the reason is the underlying.

1733
02:08:55,020 --> 02:08:55,680
Yeah, but still.

1734
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:57,240
I mean, those are owner occupied.

1735
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:58,880
It's not, it's not the same.

1736
02:08:58,880 --> 02:08:59,900
It's not apples, apples.

1737
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,260
In my opinion, but okay.

1738
02:09:01,260 --> 02:09:05,940
have a dictate ownership. Yeah, I understand. I understand. But it is higher

1739
02:09:05,940 --> 02:09:10,920
than 10. All right. Anybody else have anything? Thank you. Any other questions?

1740
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:19,760
Ms. Mitchell. Motion to hold the public hearing on case Z2020. Oh, sorry.

1741
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:23,620
Hold on one second. I do have speaker cards. Oh. There were some folks that

1742
02:09:25,420 --> 02:09:39,120
So if I may call the first one Ted Gloser, I understand he spoke, but he filled out that he wanted to speak relative to L, M and N, and we're on M, so if he'd like to speak on M, he can.

1743
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:40,040
He's not here.

1744
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:40,820
He's gone.

1745
02:09:42,260 --> 02:09:46,920
John Black, also the same thing, Mr. Black, filled out a card for L and N.

1746
02:09:48,020 --> 02:09:48,500
You're good.

1747
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:49,360
Thank you.

1748
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,400
And Karen Black, same thing.

1749
02:09:51,400 --> 02:10:02,140
All right. Thank you very much. And then with that being said, I also do have the same representatives from behalf of the applicant that also filled out their speaker cards for M.

1750
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:11,860
So that's max Michelle and Carl with any of those folks would like to come up to the podium this time to me do so. If not, then I'll go ahead with your motion.

1751
02:10:11,860 --> 02:10:24,700
Okay, thank you motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z2026-15 open until the August 18th,

1752
02:10:24,980 --> 02:10:27,080
2026 regular city council meeting.

1753
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:27,560
Second.

1754
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:35,980
Okay, roll call to hold that open until August 18th, 2026, Justin Faust, Michael Gallbert,

1755
02:10:36,140 --> 02:10:39,240
Brian Gold, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander,

1756
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:50,480
We've all under Chris Kyle Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Browning, thank you, I got you, and Tom Browning, that passes.

1757
02:10:51,120 --> 02:11:07,540
Next is case number zz-2026-16, Larson Development LLC, an application to rezone an 8.39, acre more or less tract of land located at 1704, 1710 and 1712 Muggy Road,

1758
02:11:07,540 --> 02:11:14,580
from R-3A, multiple family residential district, to PDR, plan development, residential district,

1759
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:20,620
for a proposed 50 unit attached town home development, subject property located in Ward

1760
02:11:20,620 --> 02:11:23,220
5, referencing Council Bill 1, 415.

1761
02:11:24,620 --> 02:11:28,820
As indicated previously, this is the last component of the proposal for you for this development.

1762
02:11:28,940 --> 02:11:35,400
This is moving from the standard zoning districts into the plan districts for the intended

1763
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:40,640
development that was provided to you, attached to this rezoning application for the planned

1764
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:43,760
district, there is a preliminary development plan, which is required by rezoning.

1765
02:11:43,880 --> 02:11:47,080
That's the site layout showing what this development looks like.

1766
02:11:47,460 --> 02:11:51,940
This was at the Planning and Zoning Commission on July 13th, the same as the others, where

1767
02:11:51,940 --> 02:11:55,900
the applicant spoke, and there were still nine speakers from the public who are against

1768
02:11:55,900 --> 02:12:00,680
this item for the items which I had said before, which I'll re-enter a general questions concerning

1769
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:06,220
stormwater, stormwater, excuse me, traffic, trees, and the rental use of the overall project.

1770
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,600
There were also six letters that were attached to it were included as I indicated previously,

1771
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:16,460
and ultimately the planning is on a commission recommended in favor, five in favor, two

1772
02:12:16,460 --> 02:12:18,880
opposed in one abstention for the application.

1773
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:20,700
I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1774
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:23,380
Questions for staff?

1775
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:25,580
Seeing none.

1776
02:12:26,180 --> 02:12:26,240
Okay.

1777
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:31,160
Again, I have a couple speaker cards, John Black, and Karen Black also indicated on their

1778
02:12:31,160 --> 02:12:33,800
speaker cards to speak relative to this public hearing.

1779
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:36,200
May come forward at this time if you need to.

1780
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:37,240
All right.

1781
02:12:37,620 --> 02:12:41,220
So then we are good, except the applicants are here too as well.

1782
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:41,620
Anybody?

1783
02:12:42,060 --> 02:12:43,060
Need STEM for anything?

1784
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:43,920
Miss Mitchell.

1785
02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:54,420
Motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z, 2026-16, open until the August 18th, 2026 regular

1786
02:12:54,420 --> 02:12:55,500
city council meeting.

1787
02:12:59,270 --> 02:13:15,210
Okay, roll call, Michael Galba, Brian Gold, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Rattford, Tom Burning, Justin Faust, that passes.

1788
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:28,890
Okay, the last public hearing on the agenda is case number TA-2026-0303 City of St. Charles, an application to amend chapter 400 zoning code of the code of ordinances,

1789
02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:34,450
specifically to permit recreational vehicle storage within the C-2 general business district.

1790
02:13:34,450 --> 02:13:37,570
This is referencing council bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 3.

1791
02:13:38,770 --> 02:13:42,810
This is an item that was generated from some staff discussion internally and eventually we brought

1792
02:13:42,810 --> 02:13:44,850
it forward to the planning and zoning commission.

1793
02:13:47,290 --> 02:13:52,890
In the, this is concerning a property that's in the C-2 right now, there's an end user who

1794
02:13:52,890 --> 02:13:59,530
looking to utilize some additional storage for specifically for a recreational vehicle.

1795
02:14:00,110 --> 02:14:04,850
The way that our code is set up right now, recreational vehicle storage, only first appears

1796
02:14:04,850 --> 02:14:11,630
at C3, and then carries forward to I1 and I2, it's a pyramid-type layout, the way our

1797
02:14:11,630 --> 02:14:12,830
zoning code is set up.

1798
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:18,740
When we were approached by an applicant to say, hey, what do I need to do?

1799
02:14:19,140 --> 02:14:23,200
We indicated that, hey, this could be done at C3, however, for the property they were looking

1800
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:26,240
we didn't believe C3 would be an appropriate land use.

1801
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:27,440
It sits off the highway.

1802
02:14:28,180 --> 02:14:30,020
It would be entertaining additional uses,

1803
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:31,740
which we didn't believe were essentially appropriate.

1804
02:14:32,360 --> 02:14:34,160
And also getting to look at the use itself.

1805
02:14:34,620 --> 02:14:38,220
We believe that, at least, staff believed that the storage

1806
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,740
of recreational vehicle trailers are these.

1807
02:14:42,420 --> 02:14:44,080
Generally, it was a low-intense use.

1808
02:14:44,380 --> 02:14:45,880
There's not a lot of in and out traffic.

1809
02:14:46,220 --> 02:14:48,220
Yeah, you're going to come in on the weekend to pick up your trailer

1810
02:14:48,220 --> 02:14:49,800
to go to your trip or whatever.

1811
02:14:50,620 --> 02:14:51,860
But compared to other uses,

1812
02:14:51,860 --> 02:14:56,400
it's a fairly low output, they're actually the use that's in general right now, it's

1813
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,960
got it for storage, for a vehicle state, a vehicle state.

1814
02:15:01,340 --> 02:15:29,740
So, in order to move this forward, a text amendment, there are three entities, as you may recall. I know we have a newer council member, but I'll go ahead and interrate that. There are three entities that can initiate text amendments to the zoning ordinance. City council, conduct staff, planning and zoning commission, conduct staff, or staff can bring things forward that, hey, we see these things. Hey, let's bring this forward to P&C Commission and have a discussion on this item. This was brought forward by staff. We identified this.

1815
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,120
I think this makes sense to us.

1816
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:35,460
P&Z Commission did discuss this initially at a planning zone

1817
02:15:35,460 --> 02:15:36,240
in commission meeting.

1818
02:15:36,660 --> 02:15:39,020
It got an unfavorable recommendation from that.

1819
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:41,940
We were requested by the Mayor to bring this forward.

1820
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:43,560
I think he had some clarifying questions

1821
02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:46,040
that he wanted to have discussion with the Planning

1822
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:46,780
and Zoning Commission.

1823
02:15:46,980 --> 02:15:48,840
He came back to the Planning and Zoning Commission

1824
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:51,000
at that July meeting where that discussion occurred.

1825
02:15:51,460 --> 02:15:53,780
In the ultimate, we did receive a recommendation,

1826
02:15:54,540 --> 02:15:56,440
unanimous recommendation from the Planning and Zoning

1827
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:59,220
Commission to amend the text, to allow this.

1828
02:15:59,220 --> 02:16:04,320
used to be a conditional use. Sorry, I didn't point that clear fire out earlier. A conditional

1829
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:10,280
use in C2. So move it from C3 down to C2 as a conditional use where it could be ruled

1830
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:15,280
on, by a case-by-case basis, and attached conditions as necessary to make sure a use can

1831
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:20,120
be compliant depending on the unique circumstances that may occur at that specific location.

1832
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:26,040
Again, this was a public hearing. There were zero public speakers from this item and the planning

1833
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:30,740
his own commission moved forward with a recommendation eight in favor zero against I'd be

1834
02:16:30,740 --> 02:16:36,940
happy to answer any questions. Questions at all for staff. Mr. Ratchford. Yeah, thanks

1835
02:16:36,940 --> 02:16:44,460
for clarifying that on the PNZ. I was surprised that it was unanimously against and then

1836
02:16:44,460 --> 02:16:54,680
a month later as unanimously for. I don't know if Mayor Nank can speak to if you

1837
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:56,460
And I discussed it after that vote.

1838
02:16:56,900 --> 02:17:01,720
And he felt like, I don't know what words is in his mouth, but he thought that the presentation

1839
02:17:01,720 --> 02:17:06,080
made by staff was in his comprehensive as it should be, or clear as it should be.

1840
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:09,520
And I think one said opportunity was provided for a clear explanation.

1841
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:13,240
Everyone understood the change and nobody had a problem with it.

1842
02:17:13,300 --> 02:17:14,900
So I would agree with that statement.

1843
02:17:15,400 --> 02:17:17,620
It certainly appeared to me that there may be some confusion.

1844
02:17:17,960 --> 02:17:21,440
I don't want to say people work in fuse, but it's just from my staff's perspective that

1845
02:17:21,440 --> 02:17:25,180
look like may have gotten missed and the mayor asked if I would bring it back forward.

1846
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:33,400
And there are a lot of RV storage businesses beating down the doors, just the only one.

1847
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:36,500
We do get these from time to time.

1848
02:17:36,660 --> 02:17:40,760
I think the most that we've seen are more up in the Northern area around 370.

1849
02:17:42,480 --> 02:17:43,920
That's, for most of them are located.

1850
02:17:44,020 --> 02:17:48,440
I'd say some of the other ones that are located more south in the city are probably older ones

1851
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:49,880
that have been there for a very long time.

1852
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:57,500
New ones are generally go up north because we have open available I-1 and I-2 ground in which they're they're going on

1853
02:17:57,500 --> 02:17:59,200
So it's

1854
02:17:59,720 --> 02:18:05,320
an easier process. Okay, but we're not turning people away. We want to store our views and see-2

1855
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:10,780
This is probably the first one. This one was brought up. Yes, okay, and

1856
02:18:10,780 --> 02:18:13,380
Tell me about screening required to store

1857
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:17,040
vehicles and see-2. So

1858
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:19,860
Fencing is required along the front-age on public hearing front-age.

1859
02:18:19,860 --> 02:18:22,500
It has to be an opaque, so you can't see through it.

1860
02:18:22,740 --> 02:18:24,380
Six foot, at least a six foot tall fence.

1861
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:26,040
You need landscaping.

1862
02:18:26,380 --> 02:18:28,540
Now, depending if there are residential uses to the rear,

1863
02:18:28,640 --> 02:18:30,700
there are landscaping buffers that are required.

1864
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:34,980
That also includes fence screening, landscaping,

1865
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:35,940
distance limitations.

1866
02:18:36,860 --> 02:18:41,440
Those things are required as a minimum within the zoning code

1867
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:41,960
as it's structured.

1868
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:45,760
And what sort of vehicles are currently allowed in C2?

1869
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:54,060
C2 allows for car sales, so if you have an automobile, use car automobile, new car,

1870
02:18:54,300 --> 02:18:59,000
automobile location, that's already available within C2 currently.

1871
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:02,180
I mean specifically for storage in C2.

1872
02:19:02,940 --> 02:19:06,040
Cars for storage for use.

1873
02:19:07,420 --> 02:19:09,580
Usually that's accessory to something.

1874
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:12,980
If you're going to go into an actual physical storage or something,

1875
02:19:12,980 --> 02:19:24,640
Generally you're moving up into that I want to ride to generally and what kind of landscaping are we talking about tall landscaping or shrubs or bushes or what so our initial standards are for bushes

1876
02:19:24,640 --> 02:19:33,220
It could be you know five gallon bushes you know 18 inches tall or so trees are two and a half inch collopters are minimum standard evergreen is six foot on

1877
02:19:33,220 --> 02:19:42,520
initial Okay, so if we thought about the idea that RVs are a lot taller than a six foot fence even if you make that fence sightproof this was considered yes

1878
02:19:43,140 --> 02:19:47,960
And our bees are taller, I mean, we're going to know what's behind that fence, even though it's site proof.

1879
02:19:48,060 --> 02:19:48,600
This is true.

1880
02:19:50,420 --> 02:19:51,880
All right. Thank you. You're welcome.

1881
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:53,780
Further questions?

1882
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:56,840
Seeing none.

1883
02:19:57,160 --> 02:19:57,680
Speak regards?

1884
02:19:58,280 --> 02:19:59,760
Those speaker cards on this item.

1885
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:00,720
All right.

1886
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:05,240
Your files?

1887
02:20:14,700 --> 02:20:14,980
Okay.

1888
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:18,980
I'm going to conclude the public hearing and receive the staff report and to have the appropriate legislation

1889
02:20:18,980 --> 02:20:20,920
presented for council consideration.

1890
02:20:21,740 --> 02:20:21,960
Second.

1891
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:30,940
roll call, Brian Gold, Barbara Stroke, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise

1892
02:20:30,940 --> 02:20:38,780
Mitchell, Vince Frachford, Tom Brunning, Justin Fowd, Michael Galba, that one passes,

1893
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:41,660
and that concludes our public hearings.

1894
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:43,640
I'm through consent agenda.

1895
02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:49,820
Motion to approve the consent agenda.

1896
02:20:53,430 --> 02:20:59,370
Oh, Barbara Stroke, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell,

1897
02:20:59,370 --> 02:21:05,490
Ms. Ratchford, Tom Brunning, Justin Faust, Michael Galba, Brian Gold.

1898
02:21:08,050 --> 02:21:13,130
Seeing you know items removed from the Senate General or Resolutions, bills for final

1899
02:21:13,130 --> 02:21:15,350
passage, you move on to bills for an introduction place.

1900
02:21:15,550 --> 02:21:22,470
Yes, and I'll just make a note that Council bills 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1,

1901
02:21:22,470 --> 02:21:27,430
1, 4, 1, 2, 0, 1, 2, 0, 1 with drawn by the applicant this evening, so I will read the remainder

1902
02:21:27,430 --> 02:21:29,250
of the bills for introduction tonight.

1903
02:21:29,690 --> 02:21:29,990
Thank you.

1904
02:21:30,050 --> 02:21:30,810
Those for introduction.

1905
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:37,390
Bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, and ordinance amending ordinance number 25-086 by amending certain revenue,

1906
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:41,910
expenditure, and fund balance accounts for the budget for the fiscal year, 2026, budget

1907
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:42,950
amendment number 10.

1908
02:21:43,250 --> 02:21:44,370
Sponsor, Bart Habershow.

1909
02:21:44,810 --> 02:21:50,610
Bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, and ordinance amending section 125.2, 4, 0, related to the composition

1910
02:21:50,610 --> 02:21:55,090
of the Greater Saint Charles Convention and Visitors Commission by increasing its membership by one

1911
02:21:55,090 --> 02:22:00,670
commissioner, Sponsor, Mark Hollander. Bill 1, 4113, an ordinance submitting chapter 400,

1912
02:22:01,170 --> 02:22:08,670
the zoning code of the code of ordinances, specifically sections 400.220 and 400.230 to permit

1913
02:22:08,670 --> 02:22:14,110
to permit recreational vehicle storage within the C-2 general business district. This sponsor

1914
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,100
Rals, Plat 17A, a subdivision of the city of St. Charles, Missouri, sponsor Michael Galba, bill 14116, an ordinance approving the record

1915
02:22:39,100 --> 02:22:49,060
plot for the new town at St. Charles Plat 17B, a subdivision of the city of St. Charles, Missouri, sponsor Michael Galba, bill 1117, an ordinance

1916
02:22:49,060 --> 02:22:55,720
and exing, certain adjacent, contiguous, land into the city of St. Charles, Missouri, and assigning the land to a designated

1917
02:22:55,720 --> 02:23:01,480
Board of the City, being petitioned for annexation by 10-20 metal lane LLC of approximately

1918
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:07,940
0.35 acres more or less of land known as 10-20 metal lanes, sponsor Justin Faust.

1919
02:23:08,460 --> 02:23:14,340
Bill 14118, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district R-1E, single family

1920
02:23:14,340 --> 02:23:19,280
residential district, from St. Charles County zoning district R-1E, single family residential

1921
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:25,500
district, a 0.35 acre more or less tractive land located at 10-20 metal lanes.

1922
02:23:25,500 --> 02:23:34,400
in the next several bills are withdrawn, brings us to bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 2 and

1923
02:23:34,400 --> 02:23:38,120
ordinance annexing certain adjacent contiguous land into the city of St. Charles

1924
02:23:38,120 --> 02:23:42,920
Missouri and assigning the land to a designated ward of the city being petitioned

1925
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:48,040
for annexation by Steve Celen Shooter as trustee of the Roger Lee Celen Shooter

1926
02:23:48,040 --> 02:23:52,420
Revocable Living Trust Agreement dated December 29, 1988.

1927
02:23:52,420 --> 02:23:56,320
of approximately 5.7 acres overall, more or less of land,

1928
02:23:56,660 --> 02:24:00,280
known as 1704 Muggy Road sponsors Denise Mitchell.

1929
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:04,740
Bill 1413, an ordinance resounding to St. Charles city zoning district,

1930
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:09,020
R-1E, single-family residential district from St. Charles County,

1931
02:24:09,260 --> 02:24:12,580
zoning district, R-1E, single-family residential district,

1932
02:24:12,700 --> 02:24:16,180
and overall 5.7 acre more or less tract of land located

1933
02:24:16,180 --> 02:24:20,640
at 1704 Muggy Road sponsor Denise Mitchell.

1934
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:29,440
Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 4, and ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district 3-3A, multiple family residential district,

1935
02:24:29,820 --> 02:24:38,500
from St. Charles City zoning district, R-1E, single family residential district, and overall 8.39 acre more, less tract of land,

1936
02:24:38,780 --> 02:24:44,880
located at 17, 0, 4, 17, 10, and 17, 12, Muggy road, sponsored Denise Mitchell.

1937
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:54,520
The 1-4-1-2-5, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district, PD-R, planned development residential district, from St. Charles City zoning district,

1938
02:24:54,600 --> 02:25:01,800
R-3A, multiple family residential district, a tract of land of approximately 8.39 acres overall, more or less.

1939
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:09,940
Notice 17, 0, 4, 17, 10, and 17, 12, Nuky Road, and approving the preliminary development plan for the Stone Mossville's development,

1940
02:25:09,940 --> 02:25:16,640
in connection there with Sponsor Denise Mitchell. Bill 14126, an ordinance authorizing the acquisition

1941
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:21,380
of right-of-way and easements required for the first capital drive improvements from this street to

1942
02:25:21,380 --> 02:25:26,960
King's Highway Street project by purchase, donation or imminent domain, and authorizing and providing

1943
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:32,160
for continuing authority to execute all documents necessary for the acquisition of said right-of-way

1944
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:38,400
and or easements. Sponsor is Mark Hollander. Bill 14127, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles

1945
02:25:38,400 --> 02:25:44,760
City Zoning District PD-C planned development commercial from St. Charles City Zoning District

1946
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:51,340
C-2 General Business District, a track of land of approximately 5.85 acres overall more

1947
02:25:51,340 --> 02:25:57,960
or less known as 936-938-940 and 948-HimSatth Road, and approving the preliminary

1948
02:25:57,960 --> 02:26:01,980
development plan for the HimSatth Business Park and Connection therewith.

1949
02:26:01,980 --> 02:26:08,300
bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 8, and ordinance amending section 2, 4, 5, 0, 2, 0 of the code of ordinances

1950
02:26:08,300 --> 02:26:11,420
related to the permissible hours for the collection of garbage.

1951
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:13,200
Sponsor is Mark Hollander.

1952
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:15,680
Ms. Mitchell.

1953
02:26:16,500 --> 02:26:18,060
Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 5.

1954
02:26:18,100 --> 02:26:25,320
Do we need a table that since it was not part of the public hearing, but it is part of the other

1955
02:26:25,320 --> 02:26:27,740
three applications that we held open?

1956
02:26:28,460 --> 02:26:36,640
I was just suggesting that John, as we go at next meeting, we'll get these in order and get them all straight now, so that we have the process going.

1957
02:26:37,880 --> 02:26:38,420
I don't understand.

1958
02:26:38,940 --> 02:26:41,100
Do we need a table that or not? No.

1959
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:42,420
One, two, one, two, five.

1960
02:26:42,500 --> 02:26:43,600
They're all for intro, though.

1961
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,440
They're all for introduction. There's no final.

1962
02:26:47,860 --> 02:26:52,320
So instead of finally, next time, we'll take what then with the public hearing.

1963
02:26:52,860 --> 02:26:53,820
We'll take the final.

1964
02:26:54,100 --> 02:26:54,320
Yeah.

1965
02:26:55,120 --> 02:27:01,320
Okay, or look at the public hearing and we'll get it sorted out by then.

1966
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:10,320
And as John mentioned, I'll just add there will be supplemental RCA's and everything attached to all of your items for the next August 18th meeting.

1967
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:16,620
No emergency ordinances, no action on table bills, no hours for council action.

1968
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:18,420
Do we have a reason to go into closed session tonight?

1969
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:19,020
Yes, sir.

1970
02:27:19,980 --> 02:27:25,820
Yes, I need a motion to go into close session relative to leasing purchase or sale of real estate

1971
02:27:25,820 --> 02:27:29,000
where public knowledge of the transaction might diversely affect the legal consideration

1972
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:35,480
there for RSMO610O212 and also sealed bids and related documents until the bids are opened

1973
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:40,520
and sealed proposals and related documents or any documents related to a negotiated contract

1974
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:46,740
until a contract is executed or all proposals are rejected RSMO610O2112.

1975
02:27:46,740 --> 02:27:49,020
I'll move. Thank you.

1976
02:27:49,440 --> 02:27:52,320
Very roll call to go into close session. Mark Hollander.

1977
02:27:52,480 --> 02:27:56,260
Steve Hollander. Chris Kyle. Denise Mitchell.

1978
02:27:56,720 --> 02:28:02,560
Vince Rashford. Tom Brooney. Justin Faust. Michael Galba. Brian Gold.

1979
02:28:03,020 --> 02:28:03,860
Bart Haverstrow.