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25th meeting of the 146th Council of the

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Corporation of the City of St. Thomas uh

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is tonight and thank you to for all

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being here for our August meeting. It

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seems like a whole month since I've seen

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you because it's been a whole month

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since I've seen you. Um disclosures of

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interest from any of the members.

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Seeing none, we'll move on to minutes.

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Thank the minutes of the meeting held on

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July 13th, 2026 be confirmed. Moved by

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councelor Herbert, seconded by councelor

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Bvin Sans. questions or comments on the

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minutes? Seeing none, all those in

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favor? Are there any opposed? That's

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carried. Now, we're going to do a little

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bit of a change in our agenda. Um, we

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have uh our auditor here tonight rather

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than make Christine sit around for

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hours. Um, that's not true here at St.

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Thomas, but we're going to let you go

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first tonight.

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John, do we have to change do a change

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of the agenda that way?

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>> Yes, your worship. Just if council

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supports, I just have a motion that

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council suspend section 4.2 to the

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procedural bylaw on August 10, 2026 and

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adjust the order of business on the

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agenda to consider the 2025 audited

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financial statements first followed by

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the letter related to the minor baseball

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and the Mleyfield grandstand. If I can

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just get a mover move by councelor Riml,

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seconded by councelor Gibson.

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>> All right, questions or comments on the

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change of the procedural bylaw? Seeing

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none, all those in favor? Any opposed?

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Carried. Take it away.

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>> All right. Thank you. All right. Right.

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I'll go through the financial statements

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uh page by page as I normally do. Please

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don't hesitate to ask me any questions

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if you have them. Um it uh they are

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dated. Uh the Canadian auditing

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standards require council to approve

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them those charged with governance. And

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so once they are approved, we will

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finalize them. There's also an FIR that

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will get filed to the ministry which is

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a requirement of the ministry um based

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on these financial statements and so

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they uh will follow uh closely. So they

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are dated as of today's date. It is

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what's called a clean audit opinion,

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which means that we did not find

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anything materially incorrect.

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Materiality for the city of St. Thomas

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is 2.7 million. However, that does not

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mean we only look at transactions over

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that amount. Every revenue and

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expenditure that flows through,

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including payroll is eligible for

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statistical sampling that we uh perform

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and test the controls within the city.

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based on those tests and those results,

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we can then clarify that we are issuing

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a clean opinion. So all of that

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preamble, I'll start through uh the

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financial statements. So the first

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statement that I'm going to go through

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is a consolidated statement of financial

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position, better known as your balance

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sheet. And those of you who have heard

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this spiel before, I'll just I'll I'll

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continue on that. So I come down to the

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net financial asset number. So about

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threequarters of the way down the page.

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So you'll see last year it was 1.4 4

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million. And again, I'm running my

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numbers. And this year, it's 24 uh

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million this year. So, that's an

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increase. That would be the amount of

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money that you would have in the bank if

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everybody paid you what they owe you and

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you paid off all of your liabilities,

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which obviously wouldn't happen at any

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one point in time, but it just allows

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you to see where you're at at the time.

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Everything below that line are assets

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that you need to have in place to

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continue providing the services the city

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provides. And obviously you're not able

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to sell those assets and still provide

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those services. So they're down below

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the line obviously not a liquid asset

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what we would call. And so some

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indicators I look at when I looking at

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these financial statements. One is where

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your debt levels are at which you're

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decreasing in that area. Um your net

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financial assets have increased and then

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you've also reinvested in your capital

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assets above your amortization. The

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amortization being the using up of your

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assets. And so you can see there we do

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have significant uh increase in the

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assets but that also um obviously

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requires significant investment going

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forward. And so although these are all

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good news stories uh just keep in mind

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we'll get to a note 20 which is a year

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commitments going forward.

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coming down to an overall surplus of 945

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million. And as we see when we get to

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the note on this uh surplus, the

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majority of that is invested in those

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tangible capital assets.

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Any questions on the balance sheet

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specific numbers?

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» Seeing none.

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>> All right. We'll now go to the revenue

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and expenditure. This statement of

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operations. So again, this is the

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operations of the town of the city. And

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so I just uh make a couple comments

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here. So the budget does not include

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your investment in um both the health

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unit and the Elgenary water primary

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water system. Uh and so those numbers uh

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are in the actuals for both 2025 and

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2024.

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And as well within the expenditures as

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you'll remember we have amortization and

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in 2020 the amortization costs for the

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total city were just over 20 million. So

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when I look at the budgeted expenditures

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of 175 million and I get to the 207

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actual spend, that does not mean the

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city over spent by that amount. 20

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million of that is amortization as I

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mentioned as well as the pickup of the

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health unit costs, your share of those

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costs, uh, which is 19.78%

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and then your pickup of the water system

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as well. And so those numbers are in

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there. The other increase that's both in

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the government grants and in the social

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and family services is the increase in

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the what I call the quelk. So that's the

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child care funding that changed if uh

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you're familiar with that that the um

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total funding formula changed in 2025

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and so the cost and the revenue

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proportionately increased for those

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changes.

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So coming down to the excess of revenue

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over expenditures again 7.2 2 million uh

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in 2025 and a negative number. So about

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a $10 million swing there. And the

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majority of that is uh some hookups

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charges that we had that again uh flow

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through to the reserve fund. So they're

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not for operating um purposes.

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either capital or other investments that

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you have and so not consistent from year

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to year. You can see that we uh the city

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only budgets three of those numbers.

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Obviously the pickup in the Integris

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that we own, the shares that we own in

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Integris and the um pickup in the uh

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east or sorry uh Elgen area water system

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uh are not not budgeted for because we

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simply don't know those amounts

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coming down. So that other revenue and

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expenditures again deals with capital or

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other investments not for operations

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coming down to your total surplus at the

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end of the year again of the 945

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million.

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Any questions on that statement at all?

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Again I know I'm doing at a high level

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so I'm happy to answer anything

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specifically.

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» Councelor Herbert. Thank you worship.

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under the uh revenue when we have

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government grants. I see we budgeted 68

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million and actual 77. Is that because

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some grants come in later and we right

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up front?

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>> The big piece of that is because the

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health unit is almost 100% funded

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outside of your municipal shares that

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fund it by government grants. We pick up

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our proportionate share of those. So

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about $7 million of that was was the

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health units grants. You're welcome.

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else? Again, these are operating grants.

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These would not be the capital grants

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in that number. The next statement is

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required because of the health unit

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investing in a derivative towards their

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debt. And so that's the next statement.

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It's just your share of that derivative.

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So they are hedging uh their interest

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rates on their debt.

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So then we get to the consolidated

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statement of cash flows. A lot of these

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numbers I've talked about, but I'm going

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to just uh uh indicate a couple that

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I've already uh talked about. Obviously,

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the first one, the second line down is

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amortization. That's the 20 million that

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the acquisition of capital assets plus

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the increase in capital work in

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progress. So capital work in progress,

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it just means that it's projects,

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capital projects that are in progress at

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the end of the year, not yet uh

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completed and so not yet amortized. And

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so you can see there the significant

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increase there of 132 million almost 133

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million of new assets.

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debt. So last year if you recall we

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issued new debt for about 10 mill we did

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issue debt for $10 million. And so this

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year we don't have that new debt and we

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just have the repayment of the debt.

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coming down to your cash and cash

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equivalents at the end of the year. And

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again, there's a decrease there, but if

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you remember on the uh statement or the

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balance sheet, there was an increase in

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accounts receivable. So, it's just a

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timing of uh organizations owing you

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money and then your um having it in your

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bank account. And again, the majority of

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those accounts receivable if you notice

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the increase on the balance sheet uh

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have been received subsequent to your

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end. So we do do testing on that to

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ensure that uh those receivables are uh

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received in a reasonable amount of time.

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The next statement is your statement of

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c changing net financial assets. So this

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really drills down into your capital and

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again I've already talked about all

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these numbers and as you can see this flows through to that net financial

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assets number on the balance sheet that

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financial statements. I'm just going to

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highlight a couple of them uh for you.

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Note number 1 C is where we talk about

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what's consolidated in these financial

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statements. So again, the health unit

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which the percentage did not change. We

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did pick up uh 1.25% on the Elgenary

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water system and then the uh shares that

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you have in Integris. So those are all

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consolidated into these financial

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one is accounting policies. Note number

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two, um if you didn't understand these

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financial statements before, we now are

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having uh significant changes again in

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2027. So that's something to look

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forward to. Uh note number three is your

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trust funds, excuse me, [clears throat]

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which are included in your package as

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well and not a much big change there. Um

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note number seven are employee benefits

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payable. So these are benefits that are

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uh present valued into today's dollar of

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uh postretirement benefits that you will

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be paying out on certain of your

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employees.

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Note number eight is a breakdown of

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deferred revenue. So your various um

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obligatory reserve funds uh which have

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to be spent according to what they were

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raised for, not at council's discretion.

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Note number five, note number nine,

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sorry, is your long-term debt note,

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which shows that you're a decrease of

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debt there. And then note number 11 is

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the note that I wanted to discuss the

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most. So this is the breakdown of your

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accumulated surplus. Um, you can see

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there that there only operating surplus

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is the $51,000

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of the uh DDB. I know there is a part of

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this motion of a deficit for uh the city

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for 2025 which will come from the um

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which has been reflected here and come

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from the um reserve

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and then reserve fund balances, reserve

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and reserve fund balances as well as we

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broke out the reserve and reserve funds

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that belong to those consolidated

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entities which would be the health unit

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and the water system. Um just to show

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you where the city sits and again um

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most of this reserve that's there

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reserve funds most of that is uh water

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wastewater which is required to be

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retained separately and then the um

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reserve increase is uh a lot of that is

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already spoken for for funding future

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projects.

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Next notes uh just deal with the

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integris investment. Um and then I'm

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just going to flip forward to note

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number 20

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which is the uh note commitment which

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I've kind of referred to throughout this

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presentation on u making sure that we

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keep this in in mind as we're going

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forward that even though this is a good

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news story, we still have lots lots of

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things ahead of us to that we are

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committed to.

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And that's my presentation. The last two

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schedules, one is the first one is the

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breakdown of the capital assets by uh

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type of asset. Um and so as you can see

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there, the infrastructure uh assets are

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your the majority of your assets as you

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would expect. And then the last schedule

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is it's on a angle [clears throat] but

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uh the last schedule is the breakdown of

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the revenues and expenditures on the FIR

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functions. Uh to break this down. So

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this is the segue between these

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financial statements and what we file

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with the uh the ministry.

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And then we come to the trust fund

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financial statements. And I don't have a

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lot to say on this. The one trust fund

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that was within uh the library board has

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been moved over to their operations to

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help fund the project that they're

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currently undergoing. Uh so you can see

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that that is now gone. So the only fun

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trust fund that you will have left going

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forward is the value view which is the

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really the what I call their pocket

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money. Residents are allowed certain

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percentage of their funds to go into an

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account where they pay for things like

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hairdressing and and and things like

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that. So at the end of the year there's

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$22,774

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in trust fund monies.

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And that's my presentation on the

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statements. I did have a couple of other

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comments I wanted to make if that's all

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right.

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>> Please do.

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>> Okay. First of all, I want to thank the

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treasurer and his staff uh for all their

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help uh getting this done. Uh there's a

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lot of activity going on in the city and

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so I really appreciate all of their

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help. Um it's been it's been a really

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smooth audit and I appreciate as I said

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that both of them both of them being the

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treasur and the deputy treasure. Uh the

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second thing I wanted to say, I know um

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your treasurer [clears throat] has

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reports coming uh after me on just uh

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setting up reserve fund policies,

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investment policies. So I know you're

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headed in that direction. So that's I

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just want to uh reiterate that that's

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great as well that Great Plains is uh

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going to be archaic in the next three

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four years. Uh so just keeping that in

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mind that we will need a new operating

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system uh for the G of General Ledger.

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And then the last thing was uh and I've

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mentioned this at several of my clients

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uh the province is behind in reconciling

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yearly uh child care reporting and

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valley view your home for the agent

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reporting and so uh we've acred what we

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believe to be the right amounts but the

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province has the final say and so those

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numbers may change and adjust be

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adjusted in the in the future years. uh

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they are just finishing up 22 right now

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and so we're still uh we've got a few

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years to get done yet.

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» And that's my report.

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Happy to answer any questions.

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>> Pastor WKY.

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>> Thanks your worship. Um, so thank you

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very much for that. And and in the end,

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what I'm looking for from you is just in

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kind of kitchen English, non-accounting

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English. Um,

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>> I could do that. You know, you you deal

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with a lot of municipalities and of

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course we're just our own municipality.

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So we don't see things from the same

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lens that you see things and you've

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mentioned a few of these in your closing

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remarks but for our benefit and the

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benefit of the public when you look at

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different municipalities and you look at

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us like what would be an example of say

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one thing you think is going

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particularly well relative to our our

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you know neighbors say or your other

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clients I should say and one thing say

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that you think you look at us and say

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like you know this isn't in my

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presentation but you know if some

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counselor asks me I might want to tell

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them blank. Um, if you're comfortable

427
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doing that, I'd love to hear just a

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really general thoughts on how you see

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us doing relative to other

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municipalities that are clients of

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yours. Thank you.

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>> Sure. Well, you have an unusual problem

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in the in the note number 20, which I

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I've talked about. So, you you've got a

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lot of upcoming capital expenditures

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that are going to be made and so just

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making sure you keep your eye on that

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ball um would be the thing that I would

439
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caution you about. the the thing that I

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think you do well um your treasurer and

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his staff all understand the importance

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of internal controls and so that's in

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place and and they understand the

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importance of reporting to council on a

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regular basis. So I think that's like a big benefit and just also keeping in

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mind that you have other um capital

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assets that need to be replenished and

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maintained outside of what uh the large

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project is. And so just making sure that

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uh you don't forget about those capital

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projects that need to be re um repaired,

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re redone, um torn up, taken down. Um

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those all still have to be maintained.

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And so just keeping your eye on that as

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well and and and in order to do all of

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that, obviously making sure your

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reserves are healthy.

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» Further questions?

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Christina, thank you. I think in my

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whole time here, this is as early as

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we've had the final statements. So,

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>> it is. And I I'll just say too, I I know

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there may be some of the counselors

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sitting around this table that may not

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be here. Just want to thank uh

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especially the mayor for all their

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support over these uh last few years.

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So, thank you.

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>> Uh council Riml, I'm sorry I missed your

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hand. You have to wave more viciously.

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Okay. Yeah,

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>> that's great. Anyway, thank you. And and

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thank you, Christine. I really find I I

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really like your presentation how you go

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through everything. It's very clear and

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I I really appreciate that. And I just

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wanted to ask a question on page 18. It

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might be more for the treasure. Uh the

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integris it said that there was the um

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uh the extra 500,000. Did we decide to

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put that on our internal debt or what

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did we decide to do with that? So the

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2025 budget had you not make not making

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that reduction in this year because of

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other commitments that you had on the

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tax rate. Okay.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Further questions?

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Seeing none. Is there a motion that we

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Yes. Okay. Councelor got balls and fans.

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Then we'll go to the motion.

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I was moving the report and then I have

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a

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question if I could.

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>> Go ahead. Go ahead with your question.

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My question is going back to the

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original and it's more of a statement

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and it's the sixth bullet that was put

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forward and I would like to thank the

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treasurer for ensuring that the um for

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the people at home and for the people

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around the table that council approve

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100,27

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for community center reserve and I'm

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very pleased to see that in this report

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and look forward to engagement in the

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future of this council meeting. Thank

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you.

509
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Thanks worship. I'll just read the

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motion here. So I've got a mover in

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councelor Bobin Sans, but the motion

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reads that report TR2126 relating to the

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2025 audited financial statements be

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received for information. And further

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that council approved the draft

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consolidated financial statements for

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the year ended December 31st, 2025. And

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further that council approved the draft

519
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financial statements for the city of St.

520
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Thomas trust funds for the year ended

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December 31st, 2025. And further that

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council authorized the mayor and clerk

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to carry out any administrative acts

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necessary to complete the audit. And

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further that council approve the

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transfer of 748,675

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from the infrastructure reserve to

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offset the 2025 deficit. And further

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that council approved the transfer of

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$1,217

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related to bingo revenues in excess of

532
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300,000 to the community center reserve.

533
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And further that council approved the

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transfer of $540,484

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relating to the 2025 water operating

536
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deficit from the water reserve. And

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further that council approved the

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transfer of 1,227,437

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from the 2025 wastewater operating

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surplus to the wastewater reserve. And

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further, the council approved the

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transfer of 26,759,245

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from the 2025 operating surplus to the

544
00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:49,520
industrial servicing reserve for the

545
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,880
purpose of contributing towards the

546
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,200
Dalewood water reclamation facility. So,

547
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,000
I've got a move by councelor Bobin Sans,

548
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,159
seconded by councelor Herbert.

549
00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:00,720
>> Further questions or comments?

550
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,559
Seeing none, all those in favor? Are

551
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:09,029
there any opposed? That's carried.

552
00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:13,029
Thank you.

553
00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,400
» Thanks, worship. And just in keeping

554
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,919
with our a little bit of out of order

555
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:17,679
here, we're going to move to the under

556
00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:19,520
communications the St. Thomas Minor

557
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,640
baseball field grandstand. Uh, a letter

558
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,320
has been received by Derek Brooks, St.

559
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,919
Thomas Minor baseball, regarding the

560
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:28,240
Emily Field Grandstand. Uh, I have a

561
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,520
motion that the letter received from

562
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,280
Derek Brooks, St. Thomas Minor baseball,

563
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,880
regarding the Emily Field Grandstand, be

564
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,240
referred to the parks and recreation

565
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,400
department for a report. Moved by

566
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,240
councelor Clark, seconded by councelor

567
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,000
Riml.

568
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,320
>> Questions or comments? Councelor G or

569
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,520
Baldwin Sans.

570
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,679
>> Thank you. When this report comes back,

571
00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,520
because of the conversations that I've

572
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,600
been having with people involved with

573
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,840
this, I want to see some clarity in

574
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,520
there that there is no demolition

575
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,559
scheduled to take place. That also the

576
00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,679
loyalty that we've had for Bob Emley. um

577
00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:01,840
not just as a baseball player and an

578
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,400
umpire in our community, but how he has

579
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,039
used that area especially for

580
00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,600
encouraging not just youth baseball, but

581
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,159
also golf in that area and archery in

582
00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:15,039
that area. And that is why we named the

583
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,760
grandstand in his honor. And I'm hoping

584
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,360
that uh whatever how this moves forward

585
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,919
is that we still respect that and the

586
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:26,159
memory of Bob Emley and what he did for

587
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:28,400
the youth of this community and the

588
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,159
integrity of that is maintained.

589
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:34,799
>> Councelor Herbert then councelor Clark.

590
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,280
>> Thank you worship. Welcome to everybody

591
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,200
from minor baseball up there. It's great

592
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,440
to see so many people. I I recognize

593
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760
some of the ones up there. I see Phil

594
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,000
Ambrose. I see Neil. Neil used to pitch

595
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,039
for the pretty good pitcher in his day.

596
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:50,640
I probably he didn't probably like my

597
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,320
umpire as much, but I knew he was a good

598
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,360
pitcher. So, thank you everybody. This

599
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,760
is a great report for us. I mean, even

600
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,320
my myself when I I played there, coached

601
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,720
there, ired there, and I go back to

602
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320
probably one of your first presidents,

603
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,320
Ron Baldwin. He was one of our coaches,

604
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,000
Ron and Jack Armstrong. And uh so that's

605
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,559
how far back I go with minor baseball.

606
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,440
But when this first came to us, I I I

607
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,919
don't I don't think we we realize just

608
00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:20,480
how important that to keep the uh the

609
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,000
grandstand there. And you people are

610
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,520
telling us how important it is to keep

611
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,240
the grand stand there. So we really have

612
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,240
to take a good look at this. I

613
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,760
understand there was a meeting a few

614
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,600
weeks ago with a group of people and

615
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480
this is the end of the report and and I

616
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,679
don't have a problem with your uh uh

617
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:40,000
recommendation of trying to renovate it

618
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,799
at a cost. uh you people are obviously

619
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,760
going to work to try to do it and I I

620
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,080
don't know what council if we can do in

621
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,600
the end with budgeting or something or

622
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,320
maybe a grant but whatever uh I think

623
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,960
it's a great thing

624
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,200
and of course we talk about Emily he was

625
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,760
an umpire too back in way back before my

626
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600
time but uh

627
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,000
>> oh I know you're worship [laughter]

628
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,080
>> but anyway it's great to see the support

629
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,960
I mean this is what it's all about you

630
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,640
say council doesn't listen we're

631
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,000
listening

632
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,720
and and I I I'm going to support the the

633
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960
second one when it comes to a vote if it

634
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720
comes to a vote and we'll try and make

635
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,120
it work out. So anyway, congratulations

636
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,640
on your support up there. Thank you very

637
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,200
much. So and I see Neil sit or Phil

638
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,520
sitting up there. We were Japan buddies

639
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,679
for a week.

640
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:31,520
Anyway, thank you very much. That's my

641
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,360
comment. I'm happy for this. So thank

642
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,360
you. Just wanted to note Council Herbert

643
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,640
doesn't have very many friends, so when

644
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,080
a bunch of them show up, he's quite

645
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,960
pleased. Uh, councelor Clark.

646
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,279
>> Uh, before I make my remarks about the letter, I'd like to congratulate

647
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:46,960
Councelor Herbert on the improvement of

648
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,640
his eyes for

649
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,520
>> Yeah. No,

650
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,039
>> as an umpire, at least he could

651
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,120
recognize Phil and Neil, and I'm not

652
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,880
sure he knows which is which from that

653
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,840
distance, but uh,

654
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,960
>> you've been talking to Neil, haven't

655
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,200
you?

656
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,960
>> Yeah. Um uh the letter is uh

657
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,679
wellreceived and and it's it's sparked a

658
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,600
lot of interest over the last few weeks

659
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,360
of the debate about Emily Field and

660
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,080
that's great because it's generating um

661
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,799
it's generating community interest and

662
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:15,840
that's what we want to hear as

663
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,960
counselors and I I would just like to uh

664
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320
ask u staff as they review the letter

665
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240
and report back to us that they might

666
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640
have a conversation with minor baseball

667
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,360
on their feelings about bringing back um

668
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,320
an inner county team or now uh it's

669
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,840
called you know the Canadian Baseball

670
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240
League and while they're starting to

671
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,880
canvas or or look at interest in

672
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,400
fundraising if we were to refurbish the

673
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,559
uh the grand stand and that was the the

674
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,120
decision that was made perhaps through

675
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,640
their research we could find out what

676
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,720
kind of interest there would be in

677
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,039
through um individuals through industry

678
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,480
whether or not there would be any kind

679
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,400
of support for bringing back inter

680
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,000
county baseball. If we're going to have

681
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,520
a large grand stand, it'd be nice to see

682
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
it full of baseball fans. So, perhaps

683
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,600
that could be incorporated in the

684
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,799
report.

685
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:07,360
>> Great.

686
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,200
>> Councelor Kohler,

687
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,960
>> thanks worship. I I want to echo the

688
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,480
comments by my colleagues, but also

689
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,559
mention uh that I appreciate the

690
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,120
dialogue that had taken place prior to

691
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,520
this and I certainly support this motion

692
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,919
and look forward to it. But the what I

693
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:24,000
thought was really positive is that it

694
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080
wasn't the dialogue wasn't criticism.

695
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000
was how we can find and help find a

696
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,840
solution and from what I understand

697
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,679
minor baseball has committed money and

698
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,279
actually showed up with a check today

699
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,600
too. So that's uh definitely showing

700
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,279
commitment towards this and I think

701
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,360
that's what uh makes St. Thomas such a

702
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,520
great community is that when people are

703
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,240
looking to uh move something forward is

704
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,840
that they come forward with a solution

705
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
rather than just criticize about it.

706
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,559
>> Great. Councelor Wy did I see your hand

707
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:51,039
too? Yes.

708
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,799
>> Thank your worship. I just want to say

709
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,679
that, you know, we get a lot of requests

710
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:57,919
from a lot of groups, right? And there's

711
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,039
a lot of people that say they're going

712
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:04,640
to fundra and and provide money, but my experience over the over a decade

713
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,480
I've been around here is that baseball

714
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,760
is one of the groups that actually shows

715
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,559
up with the money.

716
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:09,279
>> Y

717
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,159
>> and and so there's some people I might

718
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:13,520
have some doubts with, but I think this

719
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,919
group up here, they they do it. And uh

720
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:19,360
that helps that's helps us support you

721
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,600
knowing that you guys in the past have

722
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320
come through and did what you said you

723
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,400
were going to do. So that's kudos to

724
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520
your group because that helps us help

725
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,919
you. Thank you.

726
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:35,120
>> Further questions or comments? John, is

727
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,039
there a motion?

728
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,400
>> Yeah, the motion was just that the

729
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,039
letter be referred to for a report.

730
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,039
>> Okay. And we have a mover and seconder

731
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,279
on it. Okay. Great. Further questions?

732
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,480
Councelor Blandstead?

733
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,559
>> Mine is just a further comment. Back in

734
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,240
when this was originally discussed back

735
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,919
in November and December, I also

736
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:53,840
requested that the parks and rec

737
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240
department look at other ways to bring

738
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,080
people to that band stand, right?

739
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,120
>> Whether it be events, whether it be um

740
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,559
some of the programming that we do

741
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,240
there, but also looking for

742
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,840
sponsorships. Now, we've got a great

743
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,919
group up there that has come forward,

744
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,520
but there are also groups in the

745
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,360
community that I've discussed with some

746
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,200
of the members of this organization that

747
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,679
they would like to see others step up

748
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:18,240
and step forward as they have done to

749
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,399
look at sponsoring and looking at

750
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:22,399
partnering and looking at creating

751
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:26,080
something amazing at once again at that

752
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,799
park and it goes back to what councelor

753
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,720
Herbert was saying that many years ago

754
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,440
there were so many things there and I'm

755
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,600
very proud of what my family has

756
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,919
contributed in the past to that and

757
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,159
would like to see it to continue. Thank

758
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:40,880
you very much.

759
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,919
>> Great. Thank you, counselor. Further qu

760
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:45,760
further questions or comments? I've got

761
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840
a new set of lips today, so we're

762
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,279
working them in. Seeing none on the

763
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,360
motion, all in favor? Are there any

764
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,360
opposed? That is carried unanimously and

765
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120
we thank you for your help moving us

766
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,240
forward on this.

767
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,559
John, find out where we are in the

768
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,240
agenda and get us back there, please.

769
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,760
>> Thanks, your worship. We'll return to

770
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,840
sort of the regular agenda here. So, uh,

771
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,200
council will now resolve itself into

772
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,399
committee the whole to deal with the

773
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,159
following business. Uh, the first

774
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:13,760
committee is strategic direction and

775
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,679
development and the first item is, uh,

776
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,640
residential lands, land needs 2021 to

777
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,399
201.

778
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:23,279
I have a motion that report PD4526

779
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,919
relating to residential land needs 2021

780
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:28,640
to 201 be received for information and

781
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,480
further that council accept the report

782
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,399
residential lands needs to accommodate

783
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,240
the 30-year housing forecast 2021 to 201

784
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360
by Dylan Consulting Limited. Moved by

785
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,960
councelor Gibson, seconded by councelor

786
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Kohler.

787
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,950
>> All right, questions or comments?

788
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,320
Michelor Taylor, you're up.

789
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,559
Thank you, your worship. Um, just a

790
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,200
quick question. I know this is a a huge

791
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,039
major report. Took a bit of reading to [clears throat] try to understand it,

792
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,559
but I'm just curious as to I had to

793
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,230
convert this.

794
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:18,789
Maybe I'll just wait a second.

795
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,080
Okay,

796
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,919
>> thank you. I just had to convert this

797
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:23,679
into acres because as an old farmer

798
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:25,919
that's better than I understand more

799
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,080
than hectare hectars, but uh we're

800
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960
talking about 700 gross acres that we

801
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,799
might need for future development. I'm

802
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,440
just curious uh in the report whether it

803
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,120
actually took into consideration other

804
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,919
development that's happening in our

805
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:42,799
neighboring municipalities or is this on

806
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,000
top of does St. Thomas needs 700 acres

807
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,840
by I forget the year now. Uh 20 is it

808
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,039
201 or is the 700 acres also um let's

809
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,279
say the neighboring municipalities pull

810
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,440
in 350,000

811
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,279
350 acres is that on top of the 700 that

812
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,679
St. Thomas needs or is that part of the

813
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,919
St. 700 that we're talking about here? I

814
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:10,000
think we're not an island. I'm just

815
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,520
wondering what our other municipalities

816
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,440
are doing to to help uh our development.

817
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Thank you. Does that make sense?

818
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,640
>> Sure. Uh so through your worship uh to

819
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,399
councelor Taylor. So this is just us uh

820
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,480
the growth analysis forecast did look at

821
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,320
the growth of those adjacent

822
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,039
municipalities and looked at um their

823
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,760
and uh indicated you know that looked at

824
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200
our growth um relative to that growth.

825
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,279
um those municipalities have undertaken

826
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,360
their own growth analysis, determined

827
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,679
locations for their growth, but this is

828
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,840
what St. Thomas needs um for St. Thomas,

829
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,919
separate from Central Alga and separate

830
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:53,909
from South Bold.

831
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:55,519
» Further questions or comments? Council

832
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,159
Herbert, thank you. worship through the

833
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:03,039
um under the policy number 2.1.3

834
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,600
it states sufficient land shall be made

835
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,120
available accommodating an appropriate

836
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,240
range and mix of land uses. So when you

837
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,799
say mix of land are you saying there's a

838
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,640
certain percentage has to be set aside

839
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,640
for commercial or that type of thing. Uh

840
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,399
so through your worship um that means uh

841
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,159
yeah a set amount of land needs to be

842
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:26,159
set aside for employment commercial

843
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,559
residential the city's undertaken um

844
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,640
studies to look at how much employment

845
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720
land we needed um and it ended up being

846
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
about 19 hectares commercial land was 24

847
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,279
hectares in addition to the land we

848
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,840
already have. Um so when the province

849
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,279
looks at an official plan when it comes

850
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,279
to the province for approval they look

851
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:44,559
to make sure that we're accommodating

852
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,360
all of those growth needs. So um they

853
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,880
look at the studies we've done and they

854
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,799
look to make sure that all that land is

855
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,679
being accommodated um and that uh well

856
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:56,000
all that population and employment

857
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,919
projections are being accommodated. And

858
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,720
what Watson um or sorry what Dylan has

859
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,760
done is they've taken that population

860
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,840
and housing needs and looked at

861
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
realistically how much land do we need

862
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,159
to accommodate it in a realistic way and

863
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,440
that's what's in the residential land

864
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,880
needs report.

865
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
>> Carry on through worship. So is there

866
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,760
any ever discussion with schools like a

867
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
school being built on some of this land

868
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,600
that we're taking or is that something

869
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240
that we don't do they would approach us?

870
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Temps Valley would approach us.

871
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,519
>> Yeah. So through your worship Temp's

872
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,200
Valley and London Catholic District

873
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,360
School Board they undertake their own um

874
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,919
analysis about where schools are needed.

875
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,000
Um they're apprised of all of our work.

876
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
They're very aware of it. Um and then uh

877
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,320
you know as development and development

878
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,320
applications move forward um they're

879
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,760
constantly planning and determining

880
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,039
where they need various school

881
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,549
locations.

882
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,159
» Councelor Clark,

883
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:55,440
>> thank you. In their methodology, do they uh discount certain areas in

884
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,159
terms of our potential to provide

885
00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,480
services to an area? So, for example, if

886
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,919
there's an area where um you know, we

887
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:06,799
would incur increased costs because we

888
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,200
can't get the sewage to run uphill and

889
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,720
we've got to put an extra pumping

890
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:15,440
station or um you know, it's isolated or

891
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,720
I guess even um you know, any of those

892
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,280
types of factors or or and and that's

893
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,760
the first one. The number the number two

894
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,720
is whether or not um they rely on

895
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,280
probably a lot of your figures as u

896
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,440
inputs. Did was there any uh

897
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,800
disagreements in terms of how certain

898
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,359
things got discounted in terms of land

899
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:41,919
being available for use um through your

900
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,919
methodology as opposed to what they

901
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,200
thought and how did [clears throat] you

902
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,280
resolve any of that?

903
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,760
>> Yes. So through your worship um under

904
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,760
the provincial policy statement and the

905
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,679
provincial planning framework which we

906
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,399
have to abide by um the cost and

907
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:58,160
feasibility of development if it's de if

908
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,640
it's land within our boundary that could

909
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,480
accommodate development that would be

910
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000
appropriate for that type of

911
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,119
development. It's something that we

912
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,160
would need to look at. um we couldn't

913
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,480
just uh discount it because it's um

914
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,079
challenging to service because this is

915
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,160
supposed to be for um you know a matter

916
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,400
of 30 years, right? So it's a much

917
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000
longer term plan and longer term

918
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
horizon. You know, ideally we want to

919
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,520
make sure that we have land that's

920
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,599
feasible um can feasibly and cost

921
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,520
effectively be serviced and it's

922
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,200
something that we'd want to take into

923
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,440
account um you know when making

924
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,079
decisions about uh sort about servicing

925
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,560
and about where where and how we grow.

926
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,160
But from a provincial planning

927
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,240
perspective, um the ministry when they

928
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,480
look at a document uh coming from the

929
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,280
city, if we were to say um you know that

930
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,400
we have uh land but it's really

931
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,760
challenging to service, there's no

932
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,520
provincial policies that would make it

933
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,320
so that um we would just be able to just

934
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,760
exclude that land when we don't have any

935
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,320
other land available.

936
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,079
So um yeah I mean we have worked with

937
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,000
this consultant extensively had a number

938
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,599
of um discussions about that and about

939
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,400
um just this provincial policies and

940
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040
it's not a matter of um you know there

941
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,400
are definitely certain areas that are

942
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,079
preferable for growth and we would be

943
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,400
looking to grow first but um over that

944
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,720
longer term horizon uh there's nothing

945
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,240
in provincial policy that allows us to

946
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,160
exclude land um that's suitable for

947
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,520
development. you know, if it was natural

948
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,200
heritage or something of that nature, we

949
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,440
could. But, um, if it's feasible for

950
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,240
development, um, even very at a very

951
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,760
expensive cost, uh, we're not able to

952
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,960
exclude it.

953
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,480
>> Okay. More go.

954
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,320
>> Just part two is, um, you know, the the,

955
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,445
uh, the 700 acres, I guess, right?

956
00:36:43,445 --> 00:36:46,480
[clears throat] Old school. Um, is do

957
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,480
you concur with that? Was there any

958
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,320
discussion whether it was too high, too

959
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
low in terms of where you thought we

960
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,079
might end up, where the department

961
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,160
thought we might end up or are we pretty

962
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,640
well on and and accepting the report as

963
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,560
it's written?

964
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
>> Uh so through your worship, Councelor

965
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Clark, uh we have had some back and

966
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,280
forth with the developer and we're

967
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,720
comfortable with uh the number that

968
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,800
they've arrived at. U we've run our own

969
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,359
calculations and uh we're comfortable

970
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:14,480
with the figure um that it uh it

971
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,750
represents what we would need.

972
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,720
Mr. Pompilly. No, I'll just add through

973
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,240
your No, I'll just add to that Michelle

974
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,800
is is is accurate every every comment

975
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,200
made. This was a long process with um

976
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,880
with with the consulting company. Some

977
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,240
we we had a lot of back and forth

978
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,520
particularly it does get a little

979
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
difficult to kind of determine within

980
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,560
our own boundaries like what what we can

981
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,480
anticipate from intensification that that can be sometimes a bit of a

982
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,760
wild card. So, there was a lot of back

983
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,760
and forth and analyzing that, but but

984
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,680
otherwise, um, we're in agreement with

985
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,599
the recommendation here and and and the

986
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,920
number that we landed on.

987
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Okay. Further questions or comments?

988
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,560
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

989
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,760
opposed? Carried.

990
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,359
Thanks, Shisha. The next item is

991
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:05,839
requested zoning bylaw amendment for 417

992
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,960
Wellington Street and 275 Hy Drive. I

993
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520
have a motion that report PD 4626

994
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440
related to requested zoning bylaw

995
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920
amendment 417 Wellington Street and 275

996
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,280
High View Drive be received for

997
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,440
information and further that a public

998
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,800
meeting be scheduled for Monday,

999
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
September 14th, 2026 in accordance with

1000
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,920
Ontario regulation 54506 as amended.

1001
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Moved by councelor Rimol, seconded by

1002
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,480
councelor Gibson. Questions or comments

1003
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,800
on the report?

1004
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Councelor Herbert.

1005
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
>> Thank you worship. I I I found it

1006
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,440
interesting when I read that there was a

1007
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,359
concern about the airport being involved

1008
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:48,000
here that um I I'm just say and

1009
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000
obviously you've done the planning uh

1010
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,760
and it right now it's not going to be an

1011
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,920
issue but say what happens in 15 20

1012
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,920
years the airport decides to grow their

1013
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,720
runway and bigger planes come in would

1014
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,560
they would that have an effect on this

1015
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,560
project that's

1016
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,079
would there be an issue with it at any

1017
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,880
time?

1018
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Uh so through your worship uh the city

1019
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,760
um including the airport have developed

1020
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
the airport zoning bylaw which talks

1021
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,839
about uh the permitted heights um how

1022
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,079
they inter or how they uh work with the

1023
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,000
flight path to make sure that we do have

1024
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,079
that safe travel to and from the

1025
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,839
airport. um you know should there be

1026
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:27,680
some changes operationally to the

1027
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,280
airport in the future they would need to

1028
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,920
you know account for um various

1029
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,400
developments um but uh that um and

1030
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,839
that's something that it would happen in

1031
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:39,200
any municipality.

1032
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,240
>> Very good. Thank you.

1033
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,720
>> Quest further questions or comments? I I could maybe clarify for those at home

1034
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,560
and those in the gallery. This is an

1035
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,599
application uh uh pertaining to the

1036
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,880
Elgen Center and the this council a

1037
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,640
number of years ago gave them approval

1038
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,200
of about two apartment buildings on on

1039
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,160
the pad there and this is the now moving

1040
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,950
forward of that process.

1041
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Further questions

1042
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,040
seeing none all those in favor? Any

1043
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,280
opposed? Carried.

1044
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Thanks for worship. Next item relates to

1045
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,720
an application by Shawside Development

1046
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,079
Limited for temporary removal of

1047
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,560
partlock control on townhouse dwellings

1048
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,079
block 38 on plan 11m274.

1049
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,800
I have a motion that report PD-5226

1050
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,800
relating to the application by Shawside

1051
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Development Limited for temporary

1052
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,400
removal of partlock control townhouse

1053
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,520
dwellings block 38 plan 11M274 be

1054
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,599
received for information and further

1055
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,200
that the application by Shawside

1056
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,480
Development Limited relating to the

1057
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,240
passing of a bylaw to temporarily remove

1058
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,480
part control for townhouse dwellings

1059
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,240
block 38 plan 11m274 be approved and

1060
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,839
further that council authorize staff to

1061
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,240
prepare a bylaw pursuant to section 57

1062
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,400
of the planning act which provides that

1063
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,760
subsection 505 of the planning act part

1064
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,839
lock control does not apply to block 38

1065
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:03,359
on plan 11 M274.

1066
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:04,960
Moved by councelor Riml, seconded by

1067
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,240
councelor Taylor.

1068
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,560
>> Questions or comments?

1069
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

1070
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,720
opposed? Carried.

1071
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,200
Thank item relates to an applications

1072
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,040
for draft plan of subdivision and draft

1073
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920
plan of condominium approval for 96, 98,

1074
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
and 100 more street. I have a motion

1075
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,720
that report PD 4726 relating to

1076
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,079
applications for draft plan of

1077
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,119
subdivision and draft plan of

1078
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,480
condominium approval 9698 and 100 more

1079
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,760
street be received for information.

1080
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,280
Moved by councelor Clark, seconded by

1081
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,800
councelor Riml.

1082
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680
>> Questions or comments on the report?

1083
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,599
Councelor Riml.

1084
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,800
>> Just a question as to um what does this

1085
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,960
mean for tenants? you know that someone

1086
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,200
that's uh got into the building and is

1087
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,359
renting and now they plan to change it

1088
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:53,839
to a common condominium status. Just

1089
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,440
what does that mean?

1090
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,160
>> If if I'm not correct, but I'll I'll try

1091
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,079
first. We have a number of buildings

1092
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,359
that now are condominium in the sense of

1093
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,119
how it works with their mortgage and

1094
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,560
stuff, but they're not individually

1095
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200
owned by the tenants or offered for sale

1096
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,920
to the tenants. So, am I correct in this

1097
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,920
case that that's still the same

1098
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,200
>> through your worship? Yes. In our

1099
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,319
discussions with the applicant, nothing materially is going to change

1100
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:20,400
with this in terms of the approvals that

1101
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
have been given the the structures that

1102
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,400
have that that have been uh built or

1103
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
planned to be built. This is strictly um

1104
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,880
a mechanism for assisting the developer

1105
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,880
with financing the project so that they

1106
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,800
can move forward with their their third

1107
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,000
building hopefully soon.

1108
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,480
>> Yeah.

1109
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,520
>> Further questions or comments on the

1110
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,280
report?

1111
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,599
Seeing none, all in favor? Any opposed?

1112
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,440
Carried.

1113
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,800
Next item relates to a community

1114
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,400
improvement plan project at 180 118

1115
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,240
center street grants. I have a motion

1116
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,800
that report PD 4926 relating to

1117
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,400
community improvement program grants for

1118
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,560
118 center street be received for

1119
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480
information and further council directed

1120
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,160
a bylaw be prepared to enter into a

1121
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,599
community improvement program grant

1122
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,520
agreement with fresh start support

1123
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,680
services relating to CIP application

1124
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,319
2023-17.

1125
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,079
Move by councelor Balvin Sand second by

1126
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,240
councelor Kohler. questions or comments?

1127
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,400
Seeing none, all in favor? Any opposed?

1128
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,560
Carried.

1129
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,400
>> Next item, uh, community improvement

1130
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,119
plan project, Heiho Rentals Limited, uh,

1131
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,079
for 43954 Southdale Line. I have a

1132
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,400
motion that report PD50-26

1133
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,760
relating to a community improvement

1134
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,160
project by Heiho Rentals Limited for

1135
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,800
43954 Southdale Line be received for

1136
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,720
information and further that council

1137
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,720
approve a residential grant and loan for

1138
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,280
application 20268

1139
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,119
as submitted by Heiho Rentals Limited

1140
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,400
for 43954 South Dale Line and further

1141
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
that council directed by be prepared to

1142
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,680
entered into a residential loan

1143
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,359
agreement with Heiho Rentals Limited

1144
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,240
relating to a CIP project at 43954

1145
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,079
Southdale Line.

1146
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,680
moved by councelor Wookie, seconded by

1147
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,720
councelor Taylor.

1148
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,760
>> Questions or comments? Councelor Rhiml,

1149
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,000
>> I have a question and it um I have no

1150
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,880
concern with the application or or um

1151
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,720
that at all. Just a general question

1152
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,319
about CIP and I recognize it's a great

1153
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,560
uh program and the different incentives

1154
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,119
that are there, but I just is there a

1155
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,400
concern with the city becoming uh

1156
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,400
lending loans that you know we have to

1157
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560
track the payments? they have, I think,

1158
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,240
seven years in order to pay. What if

1159
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,839
someone defaults? Um, does the program

1160
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:34,079
do we need to look at different other

1161
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,800
types of incentives or is the loan piece

1162
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,119
still working?

1163
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,800
>> Mr. Pompilly, please go ahead.

1164
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,240
>> Yeah, through your worship. No, that's

1165
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,400
that that's a great question. Um, the

1166
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,240
experience that we've had to date with loans has been has has has been

1167
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,760
very effective. that there's been a lot

1168
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,599
of uptake on. It's been a positive

1169
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,319
result to help um u to help give that um

1170
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,800
you know last bit of incentive for um a

1171
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,599
proponent to go forward. That being said

1172
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,000
um we are in the process of looking at

1173
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,079
our CIP program um and and looking at

1174
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,680
its effectiveness and maybe some

1175
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,760
amendments that we can make to it. And

1176
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,560
during the course of that review, we

1177
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,160
we'll look at all the incentives that we

1178
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,079
offer and just ensure that they are

1179
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,839
functioning appropriately and providing

1180
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:23,839
the incentives that they're intending to provide.

1181
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:24,240
>> Go ahead.

1182
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,800
>> And so that's another uh as far as the

1183
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,520
loan the um looking after the the

1184
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
repayment that's another uh task for

1185
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,240
Treasury. Then the Treasury has to look

1186
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:38,079
after that. So it's just you know just you know they got a lot on their

1187
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,960
plate you know right now is that become

1188
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,160
you don't want things to become too

1189
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,440
ownorous. So yeah thanks

1190
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,400
>> further questions or comments

1191
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,160
>> seeing none all those in favor any

1192
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
opposed carried

1193
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,000
worshipership. Next item relates to

1194
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480
community improvement plan project uh by

1195
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,960
101523556

1196
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,440
Ontario Inc. for 52 more street. I have

1197
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,240
a motion that report PD 5126 relating to

1198
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,839
a community improvement project by

1199
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:08,160
10001523556

1200
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,480
Ontario, Inc. for 52 Mor Street be

1201
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,400
received for information. And further

1202
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,079
that council approve a heritage facade

1203
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,240
and building improvement grant and loan

1204
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,480
heritage design grant and building and

1205
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,440
PL planning and building fees grant for

1206
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,640
application 2026 167 as submitted by

1207
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,800
101523556

1208
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,599
Ontario, Inc. for 52 More Street. And

1209
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,200
further that council directed by be

1210
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,800
prepared to enter into a heritage facade

1211
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,880
and building improvement loan agreement

1212
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,680
with 101523556

1213
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,079
Ontario Inc. related to a CIP project at

1214
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,720
52 more street. Moved by councelor

1215
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,119
Taylor, seconded by councelor Herbert.

1216
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,560
>> Questions or comments?

1217
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

1218
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,200
opposed? Carried.

1219
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,960
>> The next four items are notices from the

1220
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040
committee of adjustment. Uh first up we

1221
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
have a notice relating to 56 to 62 and

1222
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,960
64 to 70 Sandy Mount Parkway. Notice of

1223
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,640
a public meeting to take place by Zoom

1224
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,359
on August 13th, 2026 at 10 a.m. has been

1225
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:08,240
received from the committee of

1226
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,160
adjustment regarding an application for

1227
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,079
minor variance by landrise developments

1228
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,319
to permit driveway widths and areas of

1229
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:18,319
68.5% for interior and 53.5% for

1230
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:20,000
exterior townhouse dwellings. Whereas

1231
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,839
the maximum permitted width and area

1232
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,720
coverage is 50% for two town houses

1233
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,920
including eight units at 56 to 62 and 64

1234
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,119
to 70 Sandy Mount Parkway. Uh, next

1235
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:32,960
notice, uh, notice for a public meeting

1236
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,359
to take place by Zoom on August 27th,

1237
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,680
2026 at 10 a.m. has been received from

1238
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,680
the committee of adjustment regarding an

1239
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,680
application for minor variance by Jolie

1240
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,839
Newfeld to permit an additional

1241
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,000
residential unit on private services,

1242
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,160
convert an existing detached garage into

1243
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,240
an additional residential unit, and

1244
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,160
construction of a new detached garage in

1245
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
the front yard with a height of 4.28 28

1246
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,400
m and a floor area of 112 m. Whereas the

1247
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,640
maximum height shall not exceed 4 m and

1248
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,119
maximum floor area shall not exceed 67

1249
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,359
square m. And this is for a property at

1250
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:08,560
40979 major line.

1251
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Remaining notices notice of a decision

1252
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,760
has been received from the committee of

1253
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,079
adjustment to permit lot coverage of

1254
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,839
37.4% 4% whereas the maximum is 35% and

1255
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:20,800
to permit a threeseason sun room 5.76

1256
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,559
mters from the rear lot line whereas the

1257
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,760
minimum rear yard depth is 7 m and this

1258
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,960
is for a property at 85 Benjamin Parkway

1259
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,640
and finally notice of a decision has

1260
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,599
been received from the committee

1261
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,280
adjustment to sever two lots for the

1262
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
purposes of facil facilitating separate

1263
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
mortgage financing for the threetory and

1264
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,880
five-story apartment dwellings at 57 and

1265
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,599
65 Walnut Street.

1266
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:44,800
Unless there are any items from the

1267
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,240
members under this committee.

1268
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,240
>> Councelor Riml,

1269
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,240
>> I just wondered given the committee of

1270
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,559
adjustment if if we could perhaps have a

1271
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,480
future report about the committee of

1272
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
adjustment. Like my concern is or not

1273
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,160
concern is just to be aware of um how

1274
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
much the planning you know participates

1275
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,160
in those to make sure that we're not

1276
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,319
setting precedent you know because when

1277
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:09,839
someone's asking for something that's

1278
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,319
more and then once that's done then you

1279
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:13,920
know someone else comes in and says well

1280
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,000
that's a precedent so maybe just a

1281
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,400
future report as to what the committee

1282
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,720
adjustment does and how the process uh

1283
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,599
works would be helpful. I know at some

1284
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,359
point through this term of council we

1285
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,280
did look at committee of adjustment even

1286
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,880
looking at whether a member of council

1287
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,720
would sit on it too but I think if if

1288
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,720
that's not too ownorous for us to answer

1289
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,119
councelor Rhymer's questions can we put

1290
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,920
that under unfinished business and and

1291
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,880
you know how the CEO is about making

1292
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,839
sure all that stuff gets done so

1293
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:47,440
John

1294
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,520
>> worship just if to direct report if I

1295
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,920
can just get a a motion that that staffy

1296
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,760
director to prepare that report. I have

1297
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,760
a I have a mover and councelor Riml if I

1298
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
could just get a seconder.

1299
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,119
Councelor Clark.

1300
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,040
>> All right. Discussion on it. Seeing

1301
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,040
none. All in favor? Any opposed?

1302
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,559
Carried.

1303
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,800
See how fast we can do that if we

1304
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480
worship. Unless there any further items

1305
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,240
under this committee, we will move into

1306
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,480
community engagement and services. Uh

1307
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,559
first item this evening is the 2026

1308
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,720
Elgen St. Thomas age friendly community

1309
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,880
strategy. I have a motion that report

1310
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,720
CMO 5626 relating to the 2026 Elgen St.

1311
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,480
Thomas age friendly community strategy

1312
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,800
be received for information and further

1313
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,319
that council reaffirm the city's

1314
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:31,520
commitment to maintaining its

1315
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,760
designation as an agefriendly community

1316
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,359
and supporting initiatives that enhance

1317
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:37,119
the quality of life inclusion and

1318
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,440
participation of older adults and

1319
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,119
further that the Elgen St. Thomas Age

1320
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,200
Friendly Strategy 2026 update be

1321
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,720
recognized as a resource where

1322
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:46,800
appropriate to inform municipal planning

1323
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040
programs and service delivery. And

1324
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,720
further that an annual contribution of

1325
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,280
$2,000 to support the activities of the

1326
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Algen St. Thomas Age Friendly Committee

1327
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,240
be included as part of the city

1328
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,920
manager's office operating budget

1329
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,240
beginning in 2027.

1330
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,000
Moved by councelor Gibson, seconded by

1331
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,240
councelor Baldwin Sanss.

1332
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,880
>> Questions or comments?

1333
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Wow, a group a group question and

1334
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,800
comment. Councelor Baldwin Sands, you're

1335
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,520
first.

1336
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,119
>> Thank you very much and I would like to

1337
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,119
thank very much for this report to

1338
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,480
Taylor. I like to keep that conversation

1339
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,640
going that we have with our seniors in

1340
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,440
our community, not just at Valley View,

1341
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,440
but also at the library and the senior

1342
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,280
center. So, I was hoping that Taylor

1343
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,200
could provide a little bit of a verbal

1344
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,200
update on what's happening and what sort

1345
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,000
of engagement is happening in our city

1346
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,240
facilities in regards to keeping seniors

1347
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,079
engaged in this community. And that's my

1348
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,200
first question. Thank you.

1349
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,440
>> Great. Hey Taylor, about 15 or 20

1350
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,440
minutes worth of [laughter]

1351
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,200
>> not quite but thank you worship through

1352
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,520
you to councelor Baldwin Sans. Um yeah

1353
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,520
so as you explained in the report and

1354
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,920
through the strategy um many city staff

1355
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,160
members sit on this committee. Um and

1356
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,839
through that process we were able to

1357
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:58,480
develop this um strategy using those

1358
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,720
members as expertise and also getting

1359
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,599
them to bring um the information and

1360
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,160
data collection back to their groups um

1361
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,400
at Valley View, at the library um at

1362
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
social services based on the community

1363
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,400
members that they're serving. Um so

1364
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,000
there's a lot of engagement that way and

1365
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,520
then also just through their individual

1366
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,680
programs and services that the city

1367
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,160
participates in and provides to seniors

1368
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,520
and older adults in the community. Um,

1369
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,760
so we're very thankful for those

1370
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,920
different groups to come together and

1371
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,839
um, hopefully with this strategy we

1372
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:31,359
we'll continue that momentum going

1373
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,359
forward and be able to come back uh,

1374
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,680
with some solid updates to council on

1375
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,319
what that work looks like.

1376
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,160
>> Carry on councelor Baldwin Sans.

1377
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,319
>> Thank you. And that goes to sorry

1378
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:43,839
councelor wiki to steal your thunder

1379
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:45,760
about having a report and letting it see

1380
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,240
and collect dust on a shelf which this

1381
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,359
report is obviously not doing and it is

1382
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,280
still engaging and it has a level of

1383
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,800
engagement with members of our

1384
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,880
community. So my next question is what

1385
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,559
levels are you using to track um and see

1386
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,440
how the progress is going and is there

1387
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,079
an attendance model that is doing it or

1388
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,640
an increase of engagement on a social

1389
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,440
media? What sort of

1390
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,359
uh templates do you use in order to keep

1391
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,440
track? Thank you. Then I have a last

1392
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,480
question.

1393
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,480
>> Yes, thank you. Um so the initial first

1394
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,000
step here is to get council's

1395
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,760
endorsement of the strategy. This also

1396
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,040
went to Algen County Council for

1397
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,720
endorsement and we'll go to Southwestern

1398
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,960
Public Health's board for endorsement as

1399
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,040
well. Um so once we have those

1400
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,040
endorsements in place, the next steps of

1401
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,119
this process um after completing the

1402
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,440
strategy are to develop those monitoring

1403
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,680
and performance metrics. So I will say

1404
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,880
at the current time I don't have

1405
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,880
anything um currently to bring forward

1406
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,160
but that's the next steps for the

1407
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,880
committee is to develop those. Um it's a new strategy um for the

1408
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,720
committee. So that work needs to still

1409
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,280
take place. Um but we will be coming

1410
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
back to council I would expect on an

1411
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,640
annual basis to report on what metrics

1412
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,520
um we've evaluated in the past year and

1413
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,440
probably set some performance targets

1414
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,200
that way as well similar to what we do

1415
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,400
for our own strategic plan. Um, and

1416
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,640
especially with the requests for the

1417
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,240
financials, I think it's important that

1418
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,640
we do have those reports come forward if

1419
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,000
we're not only council but for the

1420
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,319
community to see what work is being done

1421
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:18,640
um through this committee.

1422
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,440
>> Go ahead.

1423
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,520
>> Thank you. My last questions are about

1424
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,200
Southwest Public Health, their level of

1425
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,040
engagement, the conduits they use to

1426
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,119
educate and communicate out because one

1427
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,680
thing that really um stood out for me in

1428
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,640
this report was how caregivers were

1429
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,200
involved and how caregivers are feeling

1430
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,520
some of the stress. So, it's not just

1431
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,079
the active healthy seniors etc., but

1432
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,960
you've also done a focus on caregivers

1433
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,440
etc. that are companions to a lot of the

1434
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,920
programming that goes on. So if you can

1435
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,839
provide some comment on that and again

1436
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:52,319
thank you for the report.

1437
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:54,400
>> Yes, thank you. Um so yeah it's outlined

1438
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,720
in the strategy quite well um the stress

1439
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,720
and the burden on caregivers in the

1440
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,400
community. So we feel that through the

1441
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,319
recommendations of this report if a lot

1442
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:03,839
of these things are implemented it will

1443
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:05,440
not only support seniors and older

1444
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,200
adults in the community but the people

1445
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,800
that are caring for them as well

1446
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,319
alleviate some of those stress and

1447
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:13,040
pressures.

1448
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,680
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, I have councelor

1449
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,359
Gibson, then councelor Clark, then

1450
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:20,160
councelor Taylor, councelor Riml's on

1451
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,640
there, too. Okay.

1452
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,800
>> Thank you, Taylor, for the uh for the

1453
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,559
report. Uh, I'm on three or four I'm on

1454
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:32,240
actually three committees that really um

1455
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,640
really represent in this age group. And

1456
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,040
I just and to include the parks and

1457
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,599
recreation for being very inclusive with

1458
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,839
some uh activities that have just come

1459
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,599
out. the walking soccer. I love that

1460
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,000
idea. And the pickle ball and a few

1461
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,599
other sports that are geared to our

1462
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,440
seniors.

1463
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,520
This is wonderful news because this just

1464
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,960
indicates it's going to be another

1465
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,599
fabulous place to live. Like wow, this

1466
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,400
is very the the inclusiveness of seniors

1467
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,280
in the past I would say 12 years has

1468
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,839
grown so much and I'm really pleased at

1469
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:06,240
seeing this. You go to the sen, you go

1470
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,720
to the senior center, you go to their

1471
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,280
parks, you go to our swimming pool, JC's

1472
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,319
pool, they have um aquatic there,

1473
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,160
exercise program. I mean, we never had

1474
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,839
that until last year. I think was our

1475
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,359
first year. And I mean, kudos to our

1476
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,920
parks and racks. This is really a good

1477
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
report. And um I just have one question.

1478
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,920
The 2000 contribution, what account does

1479
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,319
that come from? Thank you. And again,

1480
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,480
thank you, Taylor.

1481
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,400
Um if approved, it will be put in the

1482
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,799
city manager's ongoing operating budget

1483
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:39,760
annually. Um and that contribution from

1484
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,240
the county and public health will also

1485
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,799
um be put into that uh budget line as

1486
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:47,599
well.

1487
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,280
>> Councelor Clark,

1488
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,200
>> thank you. Worship. Uh it was

1489
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,640
interesting to see the number of

1490
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,319
different community partners that were

1491
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,960
involved in the um in the study and I'm

1492
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,640
just wondering if part of the process

1493
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,280
will be to to identify who's going to

1494
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,280
take the leadership on on the

1495
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,960
recommendations. I think it goes back to

1496
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,520
kind of what councelor Baldwin Sans was

1497
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,720
u was getting at is um to make it a

1498
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,720
living document um and to move it

1499
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,359
forward, somebody's got to um take the

1500
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:17,520
bull by the horns and and run with it.

1501
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,400
And so I'm just hoping as um as you

1502
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,280
report back to us, you could let us know

1503
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,200
which of these different groups are

1504
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,599
going to take the lead and and who in

1505
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,440
that organization is taking the lead so

1506
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,760
that when people come to us with direct

1507
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,760
questions, uh we'll be able to steer

1508
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,079
them in the right direction as to who's

1509
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,640
working on what. And my second comment

1510
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,160
would just be uh it's interesting to see

1511
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,400
um and not surprising that caregivers

1512
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,640
are highlighted again. So again, the

1513
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,119
need for the adult day program at Valley

1514
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,920
View to expand, I think, is is again

1515
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,240
being highlighted. Thank you.

1516
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,839
>> Yes. Thank you, councelor clerk. We'll

1517
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,799
definitely um as part of the performance

1518
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,319
metrics and the action plan going

1519
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:01,440
forward, make sure that there's

1520
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,760
responsibilities assigned to the um

1521
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,440
recommendations in the report and make

1522
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,280
sure that those come back to council.

1523
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,920
And I'm in agreement with the um

1524
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,440
expansion and support of the adult day

1525
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,640
program and we're looking forward to

1526
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,559
bringing that to AMO next week.

1527
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,960
Councelor Taylor,

1528
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,480
you okay? I think you are too. Councelor

1529
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Ry,

1530
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,480
>> just a comment that um it's great

1531
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,559
information. It's great for future

1532
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,720
planning and just going forward, I

1533
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,520
guess, with your plan is to uh to have

1534
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,920
an effective communication strategy. You

1535
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,520
know, how are you going to communicate

1536
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,040
all these things? you know, people

1537
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,280
there's reduced vision, reduced hearing,

1538
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,119
and not everybody has a cell phone, so

1539
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,040
you can't text someone or give them a QR

1540
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,000
code to get information. So, um I guess

1541
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,160
that'll be part of the next step is to

1542
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,400
um you know, your communication plan is

1543
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,799
how you're going to get these this

1544
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:56,160
information out there.

1545
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,760
>> Yeah. Thank you, Councelor Riml. And

1546
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,400
that um $2,000 contribution from the

1547
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,559
three partners will especially help with

1548
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:04,640
communications. um part of the strategy

1549
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,160
and the engagement that we heard from

1550
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,000
people. Like you said, people aren't a

1551
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,359
lot of people aren't online as part of

1552
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:10,960
this demographic. So having printed

1553
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,680
materials is very important to um

1554
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,280
provide information out. So um that

1555
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,440
$6,000 total will definitely contribute

1556
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
to printed materials and promotions,

1557
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,720
etc.

1558
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,240
>> Council Herbert, thank you, Worship. Uh,

1559
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,400
if I might make a suggestion, and I

1560
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,160
don't know if it would qualify, could we

1561
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,319
take the 2,000 out of grant? We give

1562
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:36,319
grants every year out and not have to

1563
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,480
put it into the budget.

1564
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,319
>> If someone put forward a grant request,

1565
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:41,040
that would be a way.

1566
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,520
>> Oh, I would put it forward if I had to.

1567
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,040
>> Then I put it forward. Then we take it

1568
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:45,680
out a grant.

1569
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,040
>> Well, there's some forms that you'll

1570
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,480
need to get to the treasurer on the

1571
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,680
grant request, but is that possible?

1572
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,799
>> Yeah. Would that just a suggestion?

1573
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:55,520
>> I'd make that motion.

1574
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,040
>> Not against your suggestion. Just

1575
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,960
looking for your paperwork and maybe the

1576
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,541
signature on a checks. No.

1577
01:00:02,541 --> 01:00:03,680
[clears throat] I'm just trying to be

1578
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,079
age friendly, Jim.

1579
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,640
>> You are. [laughter]

1580
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Further questions or comments? But I I

1581
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,559
see that as another natural thing that

1582
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,400
could happen. It'd be a place where the

1583
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,280
grant process could work.

1584
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,839
No further questions. All in favor? Any

1585
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:23,750
opposed? Carried.

1586
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,599
» Thanks, worship. Next item relates to

1587
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,319
the 2026 Orange Shirt Day flag raising

1588
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,240
road closure request. I have a motion

1589
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,359
that report ES4526 relating to the 2026

1590
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:34,960
Orange Shirt Day flag raising road

1591
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,240
closure request be received for

1592
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,079
information. And further that council

1593
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:39,839
approve the temporary closure of Talbert

1594
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:41,119
Street from White Street to St.

1595
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,960
Catherine Street and Mondaman Street

1596
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,720
from Talbet Street to Curtis Street from

1597
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,440
11:00 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. and Curtis

1598
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Street from Mandaman Street to St.

1599
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,960
Catherine Street from 8:00 a.m. to 3:00

1600
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,920
p.m. on Wednesday, September 30th, 2026

1601
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,079
to allow for the Orange Shirt Day flag

1602
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,400
raising. Moved by Councelor Baldwin

1603
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,880
Sans, seconded by Councelor Gibson.

1604
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,359
Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

1605
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:07,200
in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

1606
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,280
>> Next item relates to the 2026 railway

1607
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,680
city road race uh 2026 road closure

1608
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,520
request. I have a motion that report

1609
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,480
ES4626 relating to the railway city road

1610
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,720
race 2026 road closure request be

1611
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,640
received for information and further

1612
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,400
that council authorize the road closures

1613
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,160
as outlined in report ES4626

1614
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,160
moved by councelor Wookie second by

1615
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,160
councelor Riml.

1616
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,880
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none. All

1617
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,319
in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

1618
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:38,319
>> Next item relates to the accessibility

1619
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,280
2026 openhouse free transit request. I

1620
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,680
have a motion that report ES4826

1621
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,839
relating to the accessibility 2026

1622
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,599
openhouse free transit request be

1623
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,520
received for information and further

1624
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,520
that council wave the transit fair for

1625
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,960
riders traveling to and from the

1626
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,640
accessibility openhouse at the Joe

1627
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,319
Thornton Community Center on Tuesday

1628
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:00,319
September 26 22nd 2026

1629
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,000
moved by councelor Gibson seconded by

1630
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,200
councelor Taylor

1631
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,160
>> questions or comments seeing none all in

1632
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,000
favor any opposed carried

1633
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,520
>> unless there are Any further items from

1634
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,920
the members under this committee? We

1635
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,599
will now move into infrastructure and

1636
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,760
civic operations.

1637
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,760
Uh first item this evening in this

1638
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,280
committee relates to the transit master

1639
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,040
servicing plan public engagement

1640
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,359
summary. Uh we have Dennis Carr here

1641
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:27,200
from Dylan Consulting in attendance to

1642
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,880
present the transit master servicing

1643
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,200
plan round one engagement summary. Uh

1644
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,720
then following the presentation I have a

1645
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:50,950
motion.

1646
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,799
Welcome. Did they tell you how to set it

1647
01:02:52,799 --> 01:03:00,950
all up?

1648
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:08,390
Look at that.

1649
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,760
» Okay, just testing. You can hear me.

1650
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,079
Perfect.

1651
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:11,200
>> You're all right.

1652
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
>> Okay. Um, thank you everybody for having

1653
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,119
me here today. Uh, once again, my name

1654
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,039
is Dennis Carr with Dylan Consulting.

1655
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,079
I'm the project manager um for the

1656
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,760
transit study that we're conducting for

1657
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,599
the city of St. Thomas. So, thank you

1658
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,079
for having me here today. Uh so today

1659
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,480
I'm just here to present uh an initial

1660
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,079
part of the study that we're working on

1661
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,160
which is uh the round one of engagement

1662
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,160
that we conducted and the engagement

1663
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,599
that we conducted was very

1664
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,160
comprehensive. It involved posting the

1665
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,720
study on the city website providing

1666
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,280
multiple opportunities for uh residents

1667
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520
and stakeholders to participate. and

1668
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,039
involved a number of in-person

1669
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,599
activities, you know, focusing on both

1670
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:51,520
communitywide engagement and online

1671
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,400
survey uh with paper versions available

1672
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,920
along with a number of focused

1673
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,559
engagement with key sort of stakeholders

1674
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,880
within the community. Uh so I'm here

1675
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,039
today to present some of the outcomes of

1676
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,720
this engagement and some of the key

1677
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,520
themes that we heard about, you know,

1678
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,760
what's working well uh with the existing

1679
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,280
transit service and what are the key

1680
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,480
areas for improvement that we're seeing.

1681
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,880
Uh so the first part of the engagement

1682
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,240
uh that I want to talk about is really

1683
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,400
the focus engagement and and this talks

1684
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,599
about um a lot of you know a number of

1685
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,559
the key stakeholders that we uh talk to

1686
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,319
and again you'll hear some very

1687
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:30,640
different uh perspectives on what's

1688
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:31,920
working well and what are some of the

1689
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,319
priorities for transit that individual

1690
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:35,920
stakeholders want to see based on their

1691
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,559
perspective and how they use the system

1692
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,720
or how their constituents use the system

1693
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,119
as well. And some of the key overarching

1694
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,440
themes that we've heard uh throughout

1695
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,839
this process uh that you'll hear me talk

1696
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,319
about is one the need for, you know,

1697
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,400
what's working well is, you know,

1698
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,559
friendly drivers. You know, um some some

1699
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,520
in many cases a reliable service. Uh but

1700
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,960
one of the things that people want to

1701
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,280
hear more of and see more of is extended

1702
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,680
service hours. So, and that was a

1703
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,200
consistent theme that we heard

1704
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,760
throughout uh improving the reliability

1705
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,960
of the service. uh and also extending

1706
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,799
the service particularly within the

1707
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,799
city. So extending the coverage in the

1708
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:18,640
areas in which the service provides

1709
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,640
particularly with a growing city. So uh

1710
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,480
I'll go through some of these and I'll

1711
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,079
you know there's a lot of detail that

1712
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,000
has been identified in this slide and

1713
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,400
again I'll just identify some of the key

1714
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,160
themes that we heard from each of the

1715
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,960
focus areas. Uh so when we when we spoke

1716
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,359
to senior care workers through a focus

1717
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:39,920
groups uh a lot of the key themes that

1718
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,880
we heard uh was you know the

1719
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,200
affordability of the system was good but

1720
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,599
there's some reliability issues the need

1721
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,000
to extend hours and again a key theme of

1722
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,400
what we heard uh and you know making

1723
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,599
sure bus stops are close to uh key

1724
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:57,920
important uh destinations uh

1725
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,680
particularly uh key shopping areas. Um

1726
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,039
when we spoke to Fanshaw College again

1727
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,599
you'll you'll see some consistency in

1728
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,119
some of the themes that we've heard and

1729
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:12,559
some new systems as well. Uh you know

1730
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,880
based on the existing classes and the

1731
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,839
hours of service the services typically

1732
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:20,559
unable to meet um a lot of the demand

1733
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,640
for student trips particularly in the

1734
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,839
later evenings. Um the on demand system

1735
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,000
doesn't always adhere to scheduled

1736
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,160
pickup times. Uh and there was some

1737
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,079
discussion about the benefit of a a

1738
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,480
universal transit pass to increase the

1739
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,960
affordability for students. Uh again

1740
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,680
some of the key themes that we heard uh

1741
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,160
for power co um ma major employer moving

1742
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,920
more frequent service more nighttime

1743
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,400
service and connections to London. So

1744
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,079
that idea of more regional connection uh

1745
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,440
particularly to to draw from an employer

1746
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,000
draw from a larger array of employees as

1747
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,559
well as new jobs are coming into uh the

1748
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,880
city were some of the key themes that we

1749
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,480
heard. Uh we also talked to the

1750
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,240
supervisors and the drivers that

1751
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,319
currently operate the service and again

1752
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:12,319
just reiterated some of what we saw

1753
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:14,319
looking through the data identifying

1754
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,000
some of the busiest routes in the system

1755
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,880
with Talbot you know being the busiest

1756
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,400
uh some of the challenges of night

1757
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,200
operations uh and the challenges of

1758
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,960
continuing to operate the on demand with

1759
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,319
demand uh being uh uh demand growing for

1760
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:33,520
the ondemand service for other major

1761
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,440
employees. employers that we spoke to.

1762
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,520
Again, transit schedule and frequency

1763
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,359
not always aligning with shift times and

1764
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:41,599
when you're operating at hour at hourly

1765
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,000
service, that can be a challenge to

1766
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,839
align an hourly service with various

1767
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:47,119
different shift times throughout the

1768
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,079
city. Uh routes that don't connect to

1769
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,079
different points of the city uh and the

1770
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,240
need to, you know, ensure some of those

1771
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,119
connections uh and improve frequency as

1772
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,760
well. Uh in terms of connecting

1773
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,480
agencies, we had a sort of a group of

1774
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,160
other connecting agencies including

1775
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,520
London, Middle Sex, Elgen uh uh and

1776
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,520
again just providing some feedback into

1777
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,839
the overall study. The need for improved

1778
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,319
industrial coverage uh the need for

1779
01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:17,359
weekend service uh improved improved

1780
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:18,960
payment options were some of the key

1781
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,679
themes that we heard uh from from this

1782
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:23,920
group as well

1783
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,920
uh in terms of planning and economic

1784
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,159
development. So speaking with staff

1785
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,640
again that kind of theme of providing

1786
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,600
more access to new areas particularly uh

1787
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,199
new industrial developments that

1788
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,279
necessitate transit expanding some of

1789
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:42,239
the transit including the on demand and supporting intensification along uh

1790
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,400
of transit or or supporting uh expanded

1791
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,000
transit along intensification corridor.

1792
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,600
So where there is new development,

1793
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,440
making sure we're pro providing transit

1794
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:54,239
there to provide those connections uh as

1795
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:56,960
well as uh transit to uh other regional

1796
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,199
destinations such as Londy and London

1797
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:02,640
and Port Stanley. Uh our conversations

1798
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319
with the accessibility advisory

1799
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,799
committee uh talked more about the

1800
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:09,839
parallel transit service uh and with

1801
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:12,560
weight times getting worse uh and what

1802
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,239
are some of the potential ways we can

1803
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,920
improve uh that. um some of the

1804
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,759
challenges passengers are having in

1805
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:21,600
terms of booking trips ahead and getting

1806
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,319
the ride that they need. uh and also

1807
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,359
when using the conventional service uh

1808
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,359
ensuring that there's accessible ways to

1809
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,640
pay for fair uh and also looking at uh

1810
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,520
stops as well

1811
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,880
uh in terms of social services again uh

1812
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,839
some key themes around providing uh

1813
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,920
enhanced travel options to places like

1814
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,319
London where there's specialized needs

1815
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,159
uh that may not be available in St.

1816
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,679
Thomas. So having those connections

1817
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:51,920
available and linking transit to

1818
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,640
recreational youth programming and the

1819
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,960
need to align transit schedules uh with

1820
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,840
that which which can be difficult uh

1821
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,199
when operating hourly service.

1822
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,040
Uh in terms of high school students, we

1823
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,719
did make our way into a couple of high

1824
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:08,560
schools and did had some engagement

1825
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,120
directly with students uh where they

1826
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,239
were able to um you know identify how

1827
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,000
the existing transit system is working

1828
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,679
and draw some maps about what they would

1829
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:20,000
like the service to look like. So uh

1830
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,440
that was sort of a really good

1831
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,840
connection and with students uh again

1832
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,640
interest in regional destinations uh and

1833
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,400
establishing direct connections and

1834
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,560
dedicated loops between high schools,

1835
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,199
Fchaw College and other key retail or

1836
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,679
other destinations in the city uh was

1837
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:38,239
something that was prioritized.

1838
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,640
And then of course uh in early counselor

1839
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,960
workshops that we had uh with members of

1840
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,600
council uh some of the key themes that

1841
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,960
we heard was um more efficient service

1842
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,600
frequent and reliable transportation uh

1843
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,360
particularly recognizing that growth

1844
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,880
that's happening in the city including

1845
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,679
growth in employment investing more into

1846
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:00,000
our service while also thinking about

1847
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,760
how we increase our overall cost

1848
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,159
recovery with that investment. So it's

1849
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:05,920
about effective investment in our

1850
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:12,400
service. Uh improving the reliability or reliability reliably servicing shift

1851
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,920
workers um was identified as a key pri

1852
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,400
priority. Identifying more capacity for

1853
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,440
our parat transit uh customers as well.

1854
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,440
Exploring regional partnerships. So as

1855
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,920
we're exploring these sort of trips

1856
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,000
outside of St. Thomas and and those

1857
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,280
connections, what do those regional

1858
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,360
partnerships look like? and ensuring

1859
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,800
that we have that integration with

1860
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,800
active transportation as well. So it's

1861
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,400
not just about the service but how do

1862
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,560
people get to and from our bus stops.

1863
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,960
So when it come when it came to sort of

1864
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,920
overall community and what we heard uh

1865
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,520
through both the popups and the

1866
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,400
community survey again a lot of the key

1867
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,719
themes came out through the two popup

1868
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,480
sessions that we had both at the St.

1869
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,719
Thomas home show and and a library

1870
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:59,520
drop-in session. Uh we heard a lot of

1871
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,239
strengths about you know uh highlighting

1872
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,719
about the um the positive feedback

1873
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:07,920
regarding the drivers and schedules

1874
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,640
uh and uh them specifically liking

1875
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,800
routes three and four in terms of the

1876
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,640
convenience and and the connection to

1877
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,440
the Walmart. But those opportunities for

1878
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,400
improvement focus on expansion uh both

1879
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,199
with regional transit expanded service

1880
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:26,320
within St. Thomas as well including uh

1881
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,920
and and sort of adjacent areas uh and to

1882
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,280
industrial areas as well. Uh again key

1883
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280
theme that we heard was later evening

1884
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,840
service uh particularly as we start to

1885
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,040
see more of these sort of shift work uh

1886
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,719
opportunities. If we can accommodate a

1887
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:44,480
daytime shift but not an evening shift

1888
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,640
that limits the opportunity to use

1889
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,920
transit uh and more frequent service uh

1890
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,159
what were all sort of identified as sort

1891
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,320
of key areas and and of course you'll

1892
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,159
see here a lot of sort of detailed

1893
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:58,159
things about the use of smart cards,

1894
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,880
fairs, shelters. These are all things

1895
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,880
that we take into consideration sort of

1896
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,960
when developing uh when we're going to

1897
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,679
develop a plan in the future. And again,

1898
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:09,679
just to re reiterate from the online

1899
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:11,840
survey, a lot of similar themes that we

1900
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,480
heard. We had over 200 responses back

1901
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,120
from our online survey. Again, the key

1902
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,960
themes around extending service hours.

1903
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,560
That was sort of a major theme that we

1904
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,440
heard as a priority for transit. uh

1905
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,840
followed by the reliability of service,

1906
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,560
increased frequency and and and ease of

1907
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,120
use were sort of the major themes that

1908
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,360
came out in terms of what's important

1909
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,360
when looking at overall um transit. So

1910
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,199
again, I'm not going to get into each of

1911
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,440
these uh specific points. I'm just

1912
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,080
recognizing uh the time that I have, but

1913
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,320
I hope this provides a good summary of a

1914
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,159
lot of the key themes that we heard. I'm

1915
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:49,760
happy to answer any questions that you

1916
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,400
may have.

1917
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,480
questions. Councelor Wookie then

1918
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:55,840
councelor Herbert.

1919
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,000
>> Thanks your worship. Uh just one quick

1920
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,320
one. I saw that on one of the slides

1921
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,560
issues of co-mingling between on demand

1922
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,440
and parallel. What was the expression of

1923
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:07,199
the concern with that one if you could

1924
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,990
just uh let us know. Thank you.

1925
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,159
» Uh through your worship uh some of the

1926
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,199
issues that we hear around comingling uh

1927
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:19,679
really have to do with um not

1928
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:23,199
understanding what co-mingling is. Uh so

1929
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:24,880
uh someone that's a parallel transit

1930
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,600
registrant may be on board a vehicle and

1931
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,080
someone who is not a registrant may get

1932
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,679
on that vehicle at the same time and

1933
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:34,080
there's sort of that misunderstanding of

1934
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,800
why why are they on that same vehicle.

1935
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,040
Uh so that's sort of the major concern

1936
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,920
and and sometimes when it adds to if

1937
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,320
there's not enough service uh it may add

1938
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,040
to the number of trips that may be

1939
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,360
denied in the service. But that was

1940
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,280
there was a couple comments on it. It

1941
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,679
wasn't too significant from what we

1942
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:55,120
heard. Council

1943
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,199
>> Herbert

1944
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,360
worship. Well, thank you very much. This

1945
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,640
is something this has been a priority

1946
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,199
for council for the last six months to we know transportation has to be

1947
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:10,080
improved in in the city and um it's it's

1948
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,000
you had so much information in this I

1949
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,480
had I had to get printed copy because I

1950
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,640
wanted to make some notes on it. So, but

1951
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,840
we know a lot of these things it's it's

1952
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,320
going to be budget time. Uh do we need

1953
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,480
more buses? We had an opportunity to

1954
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,239
meet the minister of transportation out

1955
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:29,520
on Highway 3. Uh and he talked about

1956
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,199
transportation joining the cities. In

1957
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,920
fact, council Taylor and Council Riml

1958
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,560
and Council Core was the acting mayor

1959
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,159
that day and we had a good discussion

1960
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,080
with them about transportation and they

1961
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,400
all they're very excited about how we're

1962
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,920
going to improve transportation. But for

1963
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,040
inside the city, uh this is good for us.

1964
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,400
Uh I know someone had talked to me about

1965
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,560
sometimes routes change and they don't

1966
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,080
tell anybody. They go to the bus and

1967
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,600
know all of a sudden the bus stop's been

1968
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,239
moved. So stuff like that we we need to

1969
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:02,960
be we need to improve on. So no, this is good. We we know these are all

1970
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,040
budget items. Do we need three more

1971
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,239
buses? Do we need 10 more operators?

1972
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:09,840
This is something we have to sit down

1973
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,640
discuss because implement a lot of these

1974
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,719
suggestions is difficult. I mean you

1975
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:17,920
want to increase time lengths and 101

1976
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,000
which we agree like power co is going to

1977
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,520
want people running bus out there 10

1978
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,920
maybe 11 12 at night but we need staff

1979
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,840
to do it. So that's the other side of

1980
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,480
the coin. Great suggestions but we have

1981
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,400
to make it work with within our existing

1982
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,159
budget. So but anyway thank you very

1983
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,560
much. I I you really did a good job

1984
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,400
touching bases with almost everybody

1985
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:41,520
that I can see. So, thank you, Councer.

1986
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,880
>> Thanks to your worship. It's great to

1987
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,560
see how uh we're progressing through

1988
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,480
here and the public feedback that is

1989
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,360
coming coming back with this too. Now,

1990
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,159
like just a couple comments too with the

1991
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:54,159
from what I see, especially with the

1992
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:55,760
question that councelor Wookie talked

1993
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,520
about with the on demand and and that

1994
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,960
being mixed is that there's a lot of

1995
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,880
confusion. And I think some of it's

1996
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,360
being portrayed by the provider because

1997
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,040
they're telling people that their rides

1998
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,360
are being cancelled because of the on

1999
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,840
demand. So somebody on paratransits

2000
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,040
booked something and then they're being

2001
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,880
told by the provider that their route

2002
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,719
was canceled because on demand came on,

2003
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:18,960
which I've been assured by staff that does not happen. So somehow we got

2004
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,320
to get that communication out that

2005
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:21,840
that's not happening because that's a

2006
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,320
consistent complaint that I keep getting

2007
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,120
from this and and it's it's a

2008
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,120
misconception. And then I don't know if

2009
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,560
we we how much we delve into policy here

2010
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,080
because lately what's been I've been

2011
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,840
getting especially with the paratransit

2012
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,840
is that they're telling me that there's

2013
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,520
a policy which I haven't had a chance

2014
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,520
yet to talk to staff that they're not

2015
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,239
allowed to bring their grocery carts on

2016
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,080
the paratransit bus. They got to take it

2017
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,440
apart but meanwhile it's full of

2018
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,360
groceries and people are going there.

2019
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,600
So, I found that quite strange and I'm

2020
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,679
hoping that that actually isn't a policy

2021
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:56,400
because uh it's I've been getting a few

2022
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,400
calls with that and I I just haven't had

2023
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,840
a chance to talk to Scott, but I didn't

2024
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,120
know if those type of comments are

2025
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:06,709
coming through these surveys or not.

2026
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:08,400
» Kevin,

2027
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,000
uh through the mayor to councelor

2028
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,600
Kohler, thanks for for raising those.

2029
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,360
We'll I'll take that back about the

2030
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,400
grocery carts on buses.

2031
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,400
>> Councelor Baldwin Sans, will you finish?

2032
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,400
Councelor Kohler and councelor Balden

2033
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,080
Shans and councelor Ry.

2034
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,520
>> Thank you. Just a couple of brief

2035
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,120
questions on the level of engagement

2036
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,120
that you introduced to us. Were you

2037
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,480
pleased as a consultant with the number

2038
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,960
of engagement pieces that you've been

2039
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,040
able to do? You had several public

2040
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,280
consultations. You've had the 200 that

2041
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,080
you mentioned online. So, were you uh

2042
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,719
pleased with the outcome with the number

2043
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,400
of people that we have in our community?

2044
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,600
Does it give you a good snapshot

2045
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,679
and what you presented back to us? Thank

2046
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:50,480
you.

2047
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,800
>> Yeah. Uh through through your worship as

2048
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,199
with sort of any engagement uh you know

2049
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,880
the level engagement we receive is

2050
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,480
always going to vary depending on what's

2051
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,280
going on and how people prioritize it.

2052
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,320
You know what I am pleased about is the

2053
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,159
amount of different tactics that we use

2054
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,239
to engage uh with the public through the

2055
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:09,840
various different focus groups going

2056
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,239
right into the high schools uh through

2057
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,719
the the the two inperson sessions as

2058
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:17,199
well as the uh the in-person surveys.

2059
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,040
So, you know, combined with with

2060
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,640
everything, I think we got a fairly good

2061
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,800
snapshot of what the community is is

2062
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,199
thinking. Um, you know, always open to

2063
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:27,600
hear more from from individuals, but I I

2064
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,679
think we got a decent snapshot of sort

2065
01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:31,600
of what's going on and and what we're

2066
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,520
what people like and and would like to

2067
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,669
prioritize seeing improved.

2068
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:41,280
» Any further questions or comments?

2069
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,440
Seeing none all those in oh Joan

2070
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,320
councelor Riml

2071
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,199
>> sorry just um I thought it was wonderful

2072
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,120
information and you really did capture a

2073
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,760
lot of detail just and so and and so one

2074
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,199
of my questions will be like what are

2075
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:57,360
your next steps you know as for the in

2076
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,080
the plan and then in the next steps will

2077
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,120
you then also give us some ideas um

2078
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,880
looking at dollars and cents you know

2079
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,960
comparing um St. Thomas to other like

2080
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,400
size cities you know as to what um you

2081
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,040
know how do we rank you know are we are

2082
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,199
we funding enough you know for the for

2083
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:20,239
the thing and the other thing is too I I

2084
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,480
think it's really critical and it's in

2085
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:24,239
there too as far as looking at the

2086
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,000
payment option for all groups no matter

2087
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,440
what age you know when you're trying to

2088
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:30,159
get on the bus parallel transits may be

2089
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:31,440
booked and so you're trying to use the

2090
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,239
regular service and you're older and

2091
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:35,679
you're trying to maintain your balance

2092
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:37,440
you don't want to become a false

2093
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,920
statistics in the age friendly uh

2094
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,960
report. So uh I think looking at the uh

2095
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,080
a payment you know some kind of and

2096
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,840
without having an iris scan for

2097
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,520
everybody you know is there with all the

2098
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,280
agent technology there must be something

2099
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,719
we could simplify that with but

2100
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:56,640
>> uh through through your worship. So yes

2101
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,640
there there's a number of next steps uh

2102
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,719
this engagement process provides sort of

2103
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,400
one level of input of what we're going

2104
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,360
to look at uh we we also looked at sort

2105
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,120
of the existing performance how it's

2106
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,159
operating. We we looking at uh your

2107
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:12,159
peers and and the level of investment

2108
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,000
and the level of writership compared. So

2109
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:14,960
we're going to take all of that

2110
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,159
information uh and start to develop uh

2111
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:20,880
some strategies and sort of recommended

2112
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,400
options. Some of those will be around

2113
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,280
roots. Some of those will be around uh

2114
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,000
the extent of service, the frequency,

2115
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,840
fair payment, fair technology is

2116
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:30,880
something that we're going to look at.

2117
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,880
Are there different technology options

2118
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,960
that should be prioritized? And again

2119
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,840
thinking about you know uh you know

2120
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,760
given the level of investment that you

2121
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,080
have what should you prioritize to help

2122
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,320
you achieve your goals around around

2123
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,400
transit. Uh so we're going to sort of

2124
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,320
take all of that information and and

2125
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,640
present it back to you at a future date.

2126
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,760
>> Okay. Just

2127
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,520
>> I didn't turn this off. Sorry. One just

2128
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,880
one last thing. I'm not sure whether

2129
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,600
it's for you or will we be looking at

2130
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,080
the current transit station? you know,

2131
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,679
is that the best use of um that

2132
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,600
building, you know, to house the buses,

2133
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,520
you know, is that could they be at a

2134
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,440
different location and and repurpose

2135
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,360
some of that space? Anyway, it's just I

2136
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,480
didn't know whether that would be part

2137
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:25,430
of the whole transit package.

2138
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:28,239
Further questions or comments?

2139
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,320
Seeing none, thank you for your help

2140
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,600
tonight. All in favor? Any opposed?

2141
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,159
Carried. Mr. Clerk,

2142
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:36,560
>> I just have

2143
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:37,600
>> Is there even a motion?

2144
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,520
>> There wasn't a motion yet. I just have

2145
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:40,639
to read the motion here. So,

2146
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:42,880
>> just apply what we just did.

2147
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,280
>> So, I have a motion that report ES5026

2148
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,040
relating to the transit master servicing

2149
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,719
plan public engagement summary be

2150
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:50,639
received for information and further

2151
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:52,239
that council acknowledge the key themes

2152
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:53,679
and findings outlined in the what we

2153
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,199
heard engagement summary as

2154
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:56,800
representative of the feedback received

2155
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,159
during phase one of the public

2156
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:00,560
consultation process. and further that

2157
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,239
the what we heard engagement summary

2158
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:03,600
together with the comments and direction

2159
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,199
provided by council during consideration

2160
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:08,239
of report ES-5026 be incorporated into

2161
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:09,920
the preparation of preliminary service

2162
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,320
concepts and potential system changes

2163
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,840
and further that staff report back to

2164
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,360
council following the second phase of

2165
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,360
public consultation summarizing the

2166
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,960
development and components of the draft

2167
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,719
transit master servicing plan for

2168
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,960
further consideration.

2169
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,880
Moved by councelor Wookie, seconded by

2170
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,800
councelor Taylor.

2171
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,440
questions or comments further?

2172
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,600
Seeing none, all in favor? Any opposed?

2173
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,360
Carried.

2174
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,880
>> Thanks, worship. We'll next move on to

2175
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,560
the school crossing guard location

2176
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,400
review. I have a motion that report

2177
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,080
ES4726

2178
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,520
relating to the school crossing guard

2179
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:42,880
location review be received for

2180
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,719
information and further that council

2181
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:46,320
authorize the deployment of a school

2182
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,920
crossing guard at the intersection of

2183
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,679
Edward Street and Balaclava Street

2184
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:53,040
relating starting in September 2026.

2185
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,639
Move by councelor Baldwin Sand, second

2186
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:56,480
by councelor Gibson. questions or

2187
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:58,880
comments on this? Councelor Balden Sans.

2188
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,280
>> Thank you. As someone who uses this

2189
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,480
intersection frequently, I strongly

2190
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,880
support what is recommended by staff and

2191
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,560
thank them for this report.

2192
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,159
>> Okay,

2193
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,040
further questions or comments? All those

2194
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,199
in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

2195
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,040
>> Next item relates to the fingle line

2196
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,719
servicing RFP 202621 award. I have a

2197
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:25,199
motion that report ES4926 relating to

2198
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:28,560
the fingle line servicing RFP 202621

2199
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,719
award be received for information and

2200
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:34,320
further that council award RFP 202621

2201
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,880
to CIMA plus in the amount of 437,500

2202
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,360
excluding HST

2203
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,960
move by councelor Riml second by

2204
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,800
councelor Gibson

2205
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,159
questions or comments

2206
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:49,920
seeing none all those in favor any

2207
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,149
opposed carried

2208
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,920
Last item under this committee is

2209
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,760
relates to the Yarmouth Yards Earthworks

2210
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,320
and servicing phase 5 tender award. I

2211
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,800
have a motion that report ID0626

2212
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,639
relating to Yarmouth Yard earthworks and

2213
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:06,560
servicing phase 5 tender award be

2214
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,480
received for information and further

2215
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:10,080
that the tender submitted by network

2216
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,840
sewer and water main limited in the

2217
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,669
amount of 3,524,334

2218
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:20,400
and30 excluding HST be accepted.

2219
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,000
Move by councelor Riml, seconded by

2220
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,520
councelor Clark.

2221
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,750
>> Questions or comments.

2222
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,600
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

2223
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,639
opposed? Carrie?

2224
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,320
>> Unless there any further items from the

2225
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,030
members under this committee.

2226
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,360
» Oh, sorry. Councelor Kohler.

2227
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,800
>> Thanks, your worship. uh the harvest

2228
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,440
court parking strategy has been

2229
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:51,040
implemented and uh I think 98% of the

2230
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,840
people are extremely happy. Uh I had the

2231
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,520
opportunity to talk to a couple people

2232
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,000
that aren't upset. It's just they were

2233
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,600
hoping that we would go a little bit f

2234
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,440
further and they have addressed this

2235
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,960
through the customer service uh program

2236
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,440
and um they followed through the process

2237
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:10,239
and it's been closed off and uh it's

2238
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:12,960
just um kind of been left at where it's

2239
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,120
going to where it's going to stay

2240
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,760
because of council's um direction for

2241
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,840
the the report. So, what I'm hoping for,

2242
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,000
and I'd like to actually uh move a

2243
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,440
motion, hopefully there's a seconder

2244
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:26,239
that we include parking, no parking

2245
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,960
signs in front of 19 and 21 Harvest

2246
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:34,639
Court. So, when we've come around the um culde-sac there, there's those

2247
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:36,960
two houses there, and we don't have

2248
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,320
signs, but the way their frontage is, if

2249
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,560
you try to park in those areas, they're

2250
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,520
too small and they extend over the

2251
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,199
driveways. Like, they're illegal parking

2252
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:48,960
spots anyways. you would be ticketed

2253
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,880
based on our bylaw is you have to have 3

2254
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,760
ft on either side. So, but what's

2255
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,360
happening because we've gone no parking

2256
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,040
on that side, people are now just

2257
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,800
parking there and it's actually blocking

2258
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,800
them into their their laneways. I know

2259
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,239
they've talked to some other counselors

2260
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:03,840
too, but I've had the opportunity to go

2261
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,920
over there and actually park there and

2262
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,600
seeing what's happened. And my fear is

2263
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,239
if we don't do something uh with this

2264
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,159
because he was actually trapped inside

2265
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:13,600
his lane. We trying to get to his

2266
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,040
afternoon shift and couldn't get out

2267
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,960
because somebody was parked there. Once

2268
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,440
school starts, if people do that and

2269
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:20,960
they're going to be forced to that side,

2270
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,560
I think they're going to be these people

2271
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,520
at 19 and 21 will be hampered with that

2272
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,199
the whole school season. So, I was

2273
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:30,400
hoping that we could uh have a motion or

2274
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,639
accepted motion that we install two

2275
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:35,199
signs, one in front of 19 and 21 Harvest

2276
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:38,000
Court. And I I'm sure that can be taken

2277
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,840
care of in the operating budget. But

2278
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,470
thank you.

2279
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,800
Are you looking for a seconder?

2280
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,120
Councelor Gibson. Good. Now we can have

2281
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,520
discussion.

2282
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,880
>> I'm thinking Kevin's going to take care

2283
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,159
of it by the look on his

2284
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:55,840
>> I was thinking I saw him writing

2285
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,120
feverishly, but you know,

2286
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,800
>> Kevin want input.

2287
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,159
>> Yeah. Through the mayor to councelor

2288
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,560
Kohler. Um that's something uh I can

2289
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,000
easily take away and have installed.

2290
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,280
>> Okay. Then we do we do not need to vote

2291
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,679
on the motion then

2292
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,600
staff has already picked it up. Clerk

2293
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,040
>> you are sure. We can still have a motion

2294
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,639
just that staff be directed to install

2295
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:20,639
no parking signs in front of 19 and 21

2296
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,480
Harvest Court. I have moved by councelor

2297
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,400
Kohler. Second by councelor Gibson.

2298
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,400
>> Great. Just as easy to say. No further

2299
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,239
comment. All those in favor? Any

2300
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,800
opposed? Carried. Great. All right.

2301
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,199
Councelor Clark, did you have more?

2302
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:36,239
>> Yes. Um I had a couple calls with regard

2303
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:40,560
to um Shawside and um when the roads are

2304
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,800
going to be assumed by the city and I

2305
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,159
was just wondering I know we're going

2306
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,159
through that process with a number of

2307
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:47,920
subdivisions and just wondering if we

2308
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,560
could get an update on the timelines for

2309
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,159
the Shaw Valley one.

2310
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,199
Kevin, you got some help or you you want

2311
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:58,800
to get back to us on this one or

2312
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,800
>> No, I I can give you an update uh

2313
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,520
through the mayor to councelor Clark.

2314
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,280
our our dev development uh um team has

2315
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,679
been working on going back in history,

2316
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:11,600
going back in time to find out, making

2317
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,840
sure that we are crossing our tees and

2318
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,280
dotting our eyes on all of our

2319
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,280
subdivisions and discovered that we need

2320
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,719
to go a little bit further back than

2321
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,760
2017 uh in order to make sure that uh we

2322
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,360
assume those properly. So, it's taking

2323
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,600
us a little bit longer. Uh we're hoping

2324
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,679
to bring a a report into council in

2325
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:29,840
September. Uh we were targeting this

2326
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,080
council meeting uh to do that but it's

2327
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,840
just taking us a little bit more time.

2328
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,320
Uh so um that's our status update.

2329
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,560
>> Okay.

2330
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,520
Anything else under this topic or this

2331
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,000
committee? I mean

2332
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,600
>> seeing none.

2333
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,800
>> Thanks for worship. We'll move into

2334
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,120
corporate governance and administration.

2335
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,400
Having already dealt with the financial

2336
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,320
statements, we'll move on to Yarmouth

2337
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,320
Yard's financial plan. I have a motion

2338
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,800
that report TR 2026 relating to the

2339
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,400
Yarmouth Yards financial plan be

2340
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,480
received for information.

2341
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,000
Moved by councelor Wookie, seconded by

2342
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,360
councelor Rhiml.

2343
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,320
>> Questions or comments or Mr. Treasur?

2344
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:14,070
Would you like to go first?

2345
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,239
» Uh certainly I can introduce the report

2346
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:17,760
at least. Uh so we've been speaking

2347
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,840
about the Yarmmouth Yards uh development

2348
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,920
for some time but mostly in generalities

2349
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,480
right we all understand that uh we have

2350
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:26,480
this large upfront investment and it's

2351
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,400
going to pay off in a significant way in

2352
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,000
the future but how do we manage the

2353
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,320
interim so the purpose of this report is

2354
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,159
to get a bit more specific in that

2355
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,719
regard and outline a kind of like a

2356
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:38,960
budgeting context uh for how we're going

2357
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,280
to handle this moving forward. And so

2358
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,360
the report goes through uh a number of

2359
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,159
items. It it specifies what our unfunded

2360
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:48,400
portion of Yarmouth Yards is. That'd be

2361
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,719
167 million, but also highlights the

2362
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:52,239
opportunity that we have received over

2363
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,960
$800 million in in grants and subsidies

2364
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,800
and private u private agreements.

2365
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,679
Uh it then tests um you know, can can

2366
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:04,400
the city afford that 167 million if we

2367
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,560
were to debt finance it? And so the

2368
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:07,760
report goes through a number of

2369
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,600
assumptions that leads us to the opinion

2370
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,000
that yes yes we can um without kind of

2371
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,840
uh doing things like deferring capital

2372
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,000
or increasing taxes any of those

2373
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,600
extraneous measures that would apply

2374
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,199
pressure to the the tax base. Uh then we

2375
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:24,719
took that set of assumptions and we kind

2376
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:26,480
of tested it uh with some different

2377
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:28,880
adverse scenarios to see you know to

2378
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,560
just stress test the model to see if

2379
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,800
things don't go quite as as we intend

2380
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,679
them to uh do we then have to increase

2381
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:39,120
taxes or defer capital or take on take

2382
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,159
extraneous measures. And generally the

2383
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:46,480
answer is no. But we do we do um specify

2384
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,639
in the report that this is all based on

2385
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:50,560
a set of assumptions that could change

2386
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,280
as we move forward. It's also uh it also

2387
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,600
notes that if several adverse u

2388
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,760
conditions stack upon one another then

2389
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,000
the city could be in some trouble in

2390
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,000
that situation. So it does recommend a

2391
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,280
set of uh risk management uh initiatives

2392
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,239
that we can take at most being no cost

2393
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:10,719
at all to the to the taxpayer and those

2394
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,960
are recommended through that this report

2395
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,040
uh for council's consideration in future

2396
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,719
budgets.

2397
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:19,920
>> Great. having the report attached and

2398
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,040
that summary to begin with. Are there

2399
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,719
questions or comments of the treasure?

2400
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:26,239
Councelor Wiki.

2401
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:29,199
>> Thanks, your worship. Um, comprehensive

2402
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:32,239
reports like this uh help lower our

2403
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:35,120
blood pressure because I think for both

2404
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,120
us currently and the next council and

2405
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,960
the next council after that, this

2406
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,520
provides us with a really good road map

2407
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,120
of what is both uh possible, reasonable,

2408
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,840
and prudent to do. And that's what we

2409
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,600
need. That's what we as elected

2410
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,199
officials need is we need a road map

2411
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:53,120
like this. So for me, when I take a look

2412
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,000
at some of the the um the charts, thank

2413
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,880
you. Uh graphs, counselors love graphs,

2414
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,679
and um and see that the debt repayment

2415
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:04,080
is reasonable. and seeing that the

2416
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,480
available cash flow what the what the

2417
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,679
kind of uh road ahead looks like for

2418
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,639
that it provides us with a framework

2419
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:15,360
where we can frame our own expectations

2420
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:16,800
about what's going to happen over the

2421
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,280
next 8 years. Um, this is one of those

2422
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,520
ones where it's sort of like a few of

2423
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,280
these graphs I'd like to have up in the

2424
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,560
counselor's lounge like really large uh

2425
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,719
and uh you know framed and you know make

2426
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:30,800
sure we can see those every week when we

2427
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,800
walk in kind of thing because documents

2428
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,360
like this are great guiding documents

2429
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,080
for us uh Adam. So thank you. when I

2430
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,120
read this, I uh um you just you just

2431
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,480
feel like you have a better grip on

2432
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,159
what's what's going on and what's ahead

2433
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,239
and so there's no question just a uh

2434
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:48,560
appreciation of how this guides us going

2435
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,600
forward. Thank you.

2436
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,199
>> Thanks,

2437
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,719
>> Council Riml. Then councelor Kohler.

2438
01:33:53,719 --> 01:33:53,760
[clears throat]

2439
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:53,920
>> Okay,

2440
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,040
>> I have a couple of questions, but uh I

2441
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,199
appreciate this very much.

2442
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:02,320
and and uh response to councelor Wookie,

2443
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,000
I think we should have one of Justin's

2444
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,239
charts, you know, on the wall, you know,

2445
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,320
with all the timelines and the great big

2446
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:12,639
thing because um to me um this project

2447
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:14,639
is I would think it's the city's number

2448
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:17,440
one project. It's it's it's the one we

2449
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,760
need to really keep focused and I am

2450
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,239
concerned that we don't have a currently

2451
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,719
we don't have a a um a re not a revenue

2452
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:30,000
a reserve fund set up not I know we're

2453
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,320
trying to do the development charge um

2454
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,480
project and that will come but we could

2455
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:38,239
set aside right today uh a I don't know

2456
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:41,520
how to call it DWRF anyway reserve fund

2457
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,840
where we start to you know we have to be

2458
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,000
mindful that we have the sock money away

2459
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,560
in there for this this project. We can't

2460
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,199
wait till all of a sudden it's it's done

2461
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,120
and then say, "Oh, we didn't save any

2462
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,440
money." So, I you know, I'd like to see

2463
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,280
some visible

2464
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,120
markers that we've got something set

2465
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,679
aside. And with all the things that the

2466
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:04,239
treasurer has written about the um

2467
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:06,320
mitigation things like he's recommending

2468
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,639
these things, well, how do we make them

2469
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:10,400
actually happen? You know, how can we

2470
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:14,239
make all these Yes. Okay. you know, um,

2471
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:17,199
all the things that he's suggested, we

2472
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:19,199
should say yes, you know, we want them

2473
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:22,080
all to happen. Uh, and including the

2474
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,880
reserve fund, you know, something today.

2475
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,679
I'm I'm concerned about the um the

2476
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:31,679
ARIRL, the um the funding, you know,

2477
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:33,679
like we're planning, I think it's 9.7

2478
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:35,199
million, you know, that we're going to

2479
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:39,199
be able to um incur every year. But just

2480
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,440
for instance, like we just recently

2481
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:43,920
increased our reserve last council or

2482
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,920
last meeting 7.4 million because we had

2483
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,159
um depleted our reserves like what would

2484
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,560
a 7.4 million um hit like that due to

2485
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,600
that ARIRL and is that effective like

2486
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,639
for one year or does that effect does

2487
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:02,719
that effect go on you know for

2488
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:05,120
subsequent years?

2489
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,280
>> Mr. Treasur,

2490
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,920
thank you. Yeah. um it it would affect

2491
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,320
us as long as the debt is active. So our

2492
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,679
airl is based on our annual repayments.

2493
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:17,679
So once our annual repayments against a

2494
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:20,080
dementure stops are we re recapture some

2495
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,880
of our debt capacity. So you're right uh

2496
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,560
the debenture we just decided to issue

2497
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,760
will take up um additional debt capacity

2498
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,600
space. That being said, you can see from

2499
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,199
the graph that there is ample space

2500
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:32,719
available. We just have to be a little

2501
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,440
cautious going forward that um we

2502
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,360
exercise discretion when we're going to

2503
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,199
issue debt and we also have to be aware

2504
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:40,880
of the fact that our debt capacity can

2505
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,600
also be proportionately used by uh

2506
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,520
entities that we proportionately own

2507
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:49,750
such as the water board.

2508
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,600
So I think we just have to be really careful and really mindful when

2509
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,679
people you know and and three years some

2510
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,199
point it seems like a long time but

2511
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,520
everyone wants a project you know but we

2512
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,360
have to be very careful that we have to

2513
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,239
start saving up and and having some uh

2514
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:10,080
funding. We don't want to uh um get in

2515
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,679
big trouble with this because we're

2516
01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:14,080
trying to look at operational, you know,

2517
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,760
we've got staff and we're trying to grow

2518
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,280
the city and everybody wants their

2519
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,520
streets plowed early and their garbage

2520
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,360
picked up. So, we've got so many

2521
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,719
pressures on there, but this uh uh fund

2522
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:29,119
um this project is is critical. It's

2523
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,960
critical to the growth, but it's it's an

2524
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,000
expensive project. Um, how did we make

2525
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,159
out with the grant request that we did

2526
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:39,280
back in April? Was it 172 million? Did

2527
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,360
were we successful in that?

2528
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,520
>> Well, sorry, city manager. Go ahead.

2529
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,280
>> Sure. Thank you. Rush three to council

2530
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,360
Ryal. We have not heard the results of

2531
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:48,880
that grant funding. However, we have

2532
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,159
been in contact with the federal

2533
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,320
ministry that's administering that grant

2534
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,560
and we are continued to be uh up for

2535
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,159
consideration of receiving that funding.

2536
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,239
So, we're quite hopeful. However, we

2537
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:00,480
know there is a lot of competing capital

2538
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:02,080
infrastructure projects across the

2539
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,000
country and we are just one of many

2540
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,159
applications.

2541
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:08,159
>> Okay. So, just back I' I'd like to, you

2542
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:09,920
know, suggest that we set up some kind

2543
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,760
of reserve fund like at least get some

2544
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,239
kind of marker on the wall and say,

2545
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:15,679
okay, you know, we're going to start

2546
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:17,679
putting money in this pot so at least

2547
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:20,719
it's visible.

2548
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:23,040
And I would expect that the budget

2549
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,320
season coming up upon you. Um is a great

2550
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,280
time to really analyze all of that. Mr.

2551
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,400
Treasur, um should can we do it now or

2552
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,360
is it a part of our fiscal

2553
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:36,960
responsibility over the next little

2554
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,080
while?

2555
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,239
>> We'll have to establish uh a reporting

2556
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,239
framework that is number seven in those

2557
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,800
risk mitigation uh items I recommend in

2558
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,560
the report is to establish an ongoing

2559
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,800
financial monitor monitoring framework.

2560
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,320
We'll have to decide exactly how that

2561
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,080
looks. I'm certainly open to council's

2562
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,920
opinion or preferences on on what that

2563
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,159
may look like. Uh we can include as part

2564
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:58,639
of our quarterly budget monitoring

2565
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,639
process or we could do a standalone uh

2566
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:02,320
item. I think we'll take that item back

2567
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,840
as staff and kind of develop it and

2568
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:04,880
bring it back for council's

2569
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,080
consideration.

2570
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,679
>> Okay, great. And and I agree, Mr.

2571
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:12,320
treasur. The addition of our quarter

2572
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,199
quarterly reports to council now have

2573
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:17,520
given us a far greater piece of

2574
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,320
knowledge on

2575
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,400
some of these larger projects we have

2576
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,800
going on too. Uh what you don't I'm

2577
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,400
going to councelor Kohler then councelor

2578
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,480
Clark.

2579
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:33,840
>> Thanks your worship. Uh I uh told the

2580
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,520
treasurer this already that in my short

2581
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,040
time on council, this is probably one of

2582
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,440
the most important reports that I've

2583
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:42,400
ever dealt with. And uh I think when we

2584
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,159
look at this and it shows the the

2585
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:46,719
planning, I think it proves to the

2586
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:49,360
people that we can

2587
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,600
focus on

2588
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,760
industrial and commercial growth without

2589
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,600
forgetting the long-term residents here.

2590
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,280
And I think this this report should give

2591
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:00,159
them uh some comfort in that. And I I I

2592
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:02,000
just want to point out the the the one

2593
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,080
paragraph that's in here that should

2594
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,320
reassure everybody. It's a based the

2595
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,000
based on the assumptions adopted by

2596
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,840
staff. The forecast indicates that the

2597
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,760
city is not expected to exceed cash

2598
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,920
flows constraints that would require

2599
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,000
interimm capital project deferrals or

2600
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,480
increases to property taxes or utility

2601
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:20,880
rates to meet annual debt servicing

2602
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:27,119
obligations. Rather, the annual projects accumulated surplus and cash

2603
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:28,960
flows in the forecasted period. So, I

2604
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,600
think we should all we all know that the

2605
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,119
next four years are going to be tough in

2606
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:36,320
the fact that we're not going to have

2607
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,960
that money to throw throw around, but

2608
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:40,639
this should give everybody the the

2609
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:43,440
comfort that if we if we continue to go

2610
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,040
through the financial plan and we make

2611
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:46,719
sure that we're prudent, we don't

2612
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:49,760
increase spending or on unbudgeted items

2613
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,520
that we can make it through here and get

2614
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,119
to the point where we start realizing

2615
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:56,159
that tax uh repayment from the projects

2616
01:40:56,159 --> 01:40:58,080
that we're investing in. So, I I really

2617
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,480
appreciate this this report, how it's

2618
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:02,560
laid out. It's nice and simple, but it

2619
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,239
should give everybody comfort that if we

2620
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:05,679
maintain what we're doing and we

2621
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,920
consistently continue to go through and

2622
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,600
monitor what we're doing that we can get

2623
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,520
through it without impacting the

2624
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,159
long-term residents.

2625
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,080
>> Dr. Clark,

2626
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,679
>> thank you. The um the report mentions

2627
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:22,960
that uh part of the funding will be land

2628
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,239
sales from the Armouth Yards um complex.

2629
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:30,639
I'm just wondering um whether the 167

2630
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:34,880
million of debt uh has taken all the

2631
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,560
sales of that land in into the

2632
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,679
calculations or or what percentage of

2633
01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:43,679
the lands you know we've sold some we

2634
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:46,639
haven't sold the others. Just wondering

2635
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:50,719
whether the 167 could be less um if more

2636
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:53,360
land is sold or where how you've used

2637
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:57,280
that um future land sales in this

2638
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,159
report.

2639
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:03,840
>> Yeah. So part of the 800 million um that

2640
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,400
is funded for the project includes uh

2641
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:07,920
some land sales that have already

2642
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,760
transpired. Um if we were to generate

2643
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,440
additional land sales, those could be

2644
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,080
applied similarly against that uh

2645
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,760
unfunded portion which is slated to be

2646
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,520
debt funded right now. That would be an

2647
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,080
option council has. you you could either

2648
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,400
apply it against the the project to to

2649
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:28,400
avoid debt or you can hold it for some

2650
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,239
of those high risk years to just make

2651
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,000
sure that um we're going to be able to

2652
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,159
make those debenture payments without

2653
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,080
increasing taxes or utility rates if you

2654
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,000
wanted a little bit bit of extra

2655
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,000
assurance. Uh that's something that we

2656
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,560
could discuss uh as a council as those

2657
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:48,149
land sales uh transpire in the future.

2658
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:50,320
» Please go ahead. So just for

2659
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,600
clarification then the the land sales if

2660
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,639
we were to apply if we decide to take

2661
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,400
the land sales and apply it against the

2662
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,520
short-term debt the 167

2663
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,400
could is not taking into account future

2664
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,320
land sales

2665
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,960
or sorry it yeah

2666
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,159
>> that's correct we value the land that's

2667
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:14,159
unsold out at Yarmmouth Yard somewhere

2668
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,080
around a quarter billion dollars. So,

2669
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,760
it's it's possible that if we had a

2670
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,760
bunch of land sales, you could apply it

2671
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,600
against the the unfunded portion of the

2672
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,560
project to significantly avoid debt,

2673
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,480
>> but it'd be reliant on those land sales

2674
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:27,440
happening.

2675
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,760
>> Sure. But the good news is we have the

2676
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:36,880
land. It's not going away. And so, it's it's not as scary as the 167, you

2677
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:41,830
know, may appear to be.

2678
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,320
» Councelor Taylor, then councelor Wiki.

2679
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,080
>> Thank you, your worship. I had a similar

2680
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,199
uh question in regards to the um annual

2681
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,320
repayment limit that we've set at 80%.

2682
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,280
Um I'm just maybe thinking that maybe

2683
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,880
and that's a maximum. Is there a way to

2684
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,600
limit that? Because when the world

2685
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,719
pandemic hit in 2020, no one in their

2686
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:06,800
financial plans or in their strategic

2687
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,239
plans had any idea that a world pandemic

2688
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:11,520
is something we should think about.

2689
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,280
Believe me, I don't want to even see

2690
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:14,560
something like that happen. But let's

2691
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:15,760
just say that there's some sort of a

2692
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,960
world catastrophe that happens. I'm just

2693
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,159
wondering uh if Treasury has uh reviewed

2694
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:25,760
the fact is that a a maximum or should

2695
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,040
we be looking at other numbers like 70%

2696
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,560
or 60% as being our annual uh repayment

2697
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,400
limit rather than setting Yeah, that's

2698
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,480
our max. But is that where we really

2699
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:38,239
want to go or should should we be

2700
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:41,840
looking just in case because the sky is

2701
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,440
falling? I'm never going to say that,

2702
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:45,600
but I don't want to be in that position

2703
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,000
when it does, if it ever does. But

2704
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,159
anyway, just wondering about that 80%.

2705
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:53,360
Is that really the number we want to set

2706
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,159
today? Thank you,

2707
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:59,199
>> Mr. Treasurer.

2708
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:01,360
So, uh, it is best practice for council

2709
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,679
to adopt what's called a debt management

2710
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:06,159
policy where you define that level. I

2711
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:07,679
would suggest you don't want to use your

2712
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:09,520
whole ARIRL. If you've done that, you've

2713
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,440
done something wrong. I've suggested in

2714
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:13,520
the report that we use up to 80% of it

2715
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,239
to leave some room for the unknown as as

2716
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:18,400
suggested by the counselor, but it is

2717
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,639
completely within council's ability and

2718
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:23,040
right to determine where that line uh

2719
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:28,470
may be.

2720
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:31,119
» So, we have councelor Taylor down for

2721
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:34,390
less.

2722
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,639
» Yes, councelor Wiki.

2723
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:39,360
>> Thank you. This is a a question for the

2724
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:41,199
city manager and the communications

2725
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:43,440
team. And the challenge here is going to

2726
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:45,520
be as councelor Cer said, this is one of

2727
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,840
the most important reports we've had in

2728
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,320
many, many years. And how do we how does

2729
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,280
this get condensed, simplified, so it

2730
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,119
can be digestible for the public because

2731
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,360
I want to be able to when we talk to the

2732
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,520
public to say, "Hey, on Speak Up St.

2733
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,280
Thomas, there's an article on this. You

2734
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,199
can read it. It's right there. It'll

2735
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:04,800
take you five minutes and you'll have an

2736
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,639
idea of what we're going through and

2737
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:10,080
what we're talking about. Um, so to the

2738
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,320
city manager, I think you've got a

2739
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,679
challenge because this is not going to

2740
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:16,239
be a real simple one, but it's a very

2741
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:18,560
important one to be able to point out to

2742
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,560
people what's going on. I I just I guess

2743
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,520
what's the how do you see this getting

2744
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,679
out to the public and on in on what

2745
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:28,080
avenue? Because it's it's not uh having

2746
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,840
it as a social media post is kind of

2747
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,639
doesn't do it justice. Um but it that

2748
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:34,000
might be the start of it. So just a

2749
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,840
question for you. Thanks.

2750
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,199
>> Go ahead, city manager.

2751
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:38,880
>> Uh thank you councelor Wiki and through

2752
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,600
to or through the mayor to council. Um

2753
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,280
our communications and public relations

2754
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,600
coordinator has been working on a robust

2755
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,920
communications strategy. Uh the first

2756
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,080
step in this process was this council

2757
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,239
report. So making sure we get that out.

2758
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:54,000
The mayor did some media work today with

2759
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,920
CTV to try to kind of elaborate more on

2760
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,000
these concepts. Uh a lot of the work

2761
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,480
involves utilizing our beehive. So kind

2762
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:02,800
of breaking down various aspects of this

2763
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,960
into kind of nice consumable videos. So

2764
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,199
we appreciate the partnership of the EDC

2765
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,199
in putting that out. It's also doing

2766
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:11,040
some social media work using our new

2767
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,960
engagement platform and making sure that

2768
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,719
we communicate this in all of the

2769
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:16,800
different ways. So there is a a strategy

2770
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,440
and a plan, but it it works kind of on

2771
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:21,440
uh because it is so complex and a lot of

2772
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:23,040
people don't want to read a 12-page

2773
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:24,639
council report. It's making sure that

2774
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:26,880
it's consumable to the average citizen.

2775
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,159
So there there is a plan and it's

2776
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,280
rolling out this fall.

2777
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:34,320
Don't 11

2778
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,239
council Herbert. No. Did I have any? No.

2779
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:40,560
Council Herbert. Thank you, worship. Um,

2780
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,239
thank you for the report, Adam. I mean,

2781
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:44,400
this really helps me understand what's

2782
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,040
going on. And yet I I was a little bit

2783
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,639
confused when I was reading through it

2784
01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:50,800
where under your consolidated statements

2785
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,199
of operations accumulate surplus income

2786
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:56,080
statement you say that we have reflect

2787
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,920
an operating deficit of 748,000

2788
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:01,920
and then in the next statement you say

2789
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,760
however we have an surplus of 134,000

2790
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,560
and then you list a bunch of uh uh

2791
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,440
budget line items. Are those if you

2792
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,199
total those budget line items, would

2793
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:15,840
that make the difference between the we

2794
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,760
go from a deficit to a surplus? That's

2795
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,119
how we get to the surplus by adding up

2796
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:22,880
what you're suggesting there like

2797
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,560
industrial development activities and

2798
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,950
non-cash accounting adjustments.

2799
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,520
» Yeah. So that um that question is in

2800
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,280
reference to the audited financial

2801
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,800
statements. Um

2802
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,119
yes we we with respect to that we

2803
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:42,080
incurred a budget deficit uh that we

2804
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:45,040
required to draw from the uh a taxf

2805
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,840
funded reserve to resolve we but on the

2806
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,040
financial statements we had a large

2807
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,360
surplus that was in relation to Yarmouth

2808
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,520
Yards as I just mentioned we secured

2809
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,960
over $800 million in uh grants and

2810
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,880
private sector agreements and so that's

2811
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,520
why the financial statements both show a

2812
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,000
budget deficit and a very large surplus

2813
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,560
plus for the city simultaneously.

2814
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,320
>> So they offset each other. Is that what

2815
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:09,360
you're saying?

2816
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,119
>> Uh they're just used for different

2817
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:12,960
purposes. The the money for Yarmouth

2818
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,719
Yards is for Yarmouth Yards. It's not to build a road or pay staff.

2819
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:21,119
It's just very specific purpose. Um the money that is used for general city

2820
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:23,199
operations, we did have a modest deficit

2821
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:24,960
as reported in Q4.

2822
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:27,600
>> Okay. Thank you.

2823
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:31,119
Our questions, comments,

2824
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:33,360
Mr. Treasur, again I'll I'll say it

2825
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,440
again. The information flowing from your

2826
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:37,920
department has been exceptional on big

2827
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,719
things like this and even where what we

2828
01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:42,560
need to do next. And there's a lot of

2829
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,600
large large amount of gap between last

2830
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,840
message to this message which makes it a

2831
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,920
little easier for us to as counselor

2832
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,880
Wiki says um answer the the questions of

2833
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,280
the of the taxpayers of the city and

2834
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,719
what is it you're doing. I think this

2835
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,880
was a excellent document. It got out

2836
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,440
there with the agenda this this week and people read it. people had great

2837
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:05,600
questions on it and there'll be more

2838
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,520
following up and the as you say the

2839
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,639
communication uh plan on it is to be as

2840
01:50:10,639 --> 01:50:12,639
straightforward as we can against the

2841
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:14,880
information that we now know to be and

2842
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,840
the risks that are in the report.

2843
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:22,310
So thank you.

2844
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,880
Any further questions or comments?

2845
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,800
Seeing none all those in favor? Are

2846
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:30,159
there any opposed? Carried.

2847
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:31,920
>> Thanks worish. Next item relates to

2848
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,080
community grant requests intake 4. I

2849
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,480
have a motion that report TR226

2850
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:37,920
relating to community grant requests

2851
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,239
intake 4 be received for information and

2852
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:41,760
further that council decline all

2853
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,760
applications under the 2026 community

2854
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,880
grants program intake 4.

2855
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,400
Move by councelor Riml

2856
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,560
seconded by councelor Gibson.

2857
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,880
>> Questions or comments?

2858
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,040
Seeing none all those in favor? Any

2859
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:00,000
opposed? Carried.

2860
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,360
>> Membership. The next item relates to the

2861
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,440
2026 municipal election accessibility

2862
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,840
plan. I have a motion that report CC

2863
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,239
1526 relating to the 2026 municipal

2864
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,159
election accessibility plan be received

2865
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,320
for information and further that council

2866
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:14,159
adopt the 2026 municipal election

2867
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:16,159
accessibility plan for the 2026

2868
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:18,239
municipal election.

2869
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:19,840
Move by councelor Gibson, second by

2870
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,639
councelor Riml. Questions or comments on

2871
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:27,440
the uh election accessibility plan?

2872
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:30,480
Mr. Deputy Clerk, is there you you want

2873
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,159
to share any of the information on this

2874
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:35,510
or you

2875
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,280
» worship? Similar plans to previous

2876
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,040
years. Again, with council supporting

2877
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,520
the uh online and telephone voting,

2878
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,400
anyone can vote from anywhere. Um all

2879
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,800
the technology is is available for

2880
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,520
assistive u screen readers. Lots of

2881
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,599
accessible technologies can utilize the

2882
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:53,760
online voting. Um, and we're just

2883
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,679
finalizing voter assistance centers

2884
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:57,520
right now within that two-eek window

2885
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,679
that you can vote. Um, and they'll all

2886
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:01,760
be fully accessible as well.

2887
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,159
>> Super. Councelor Herbert,

2888
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:07,679
>> question to John through the mayor. Uh,

2889
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:10,880
are you having more than two sites or

2890
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,800
because people have asked me I know we

2891
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,440
had I think two last year's library and

2892
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:19,599
Mo Arena, but they're asking me other sites.

2893
01:52:19,599 --> 01:52:21,040
>> Thanks. And through the council. So,

2894
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,520
right now we will likely be uh two dates

2895
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,599
at the Elgen Center, uh the senior

2896
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:27,840
center, and the library. So, three

2897
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,920
different locations across four dates.

2898
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,480
Uh we're looking to include a Saturday,

2899
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:37,360
evening hours, uh and daytime as well.

2900
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,280
>> Further questions or comments? Councelor

2901
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:40,080
Taylor,

2902
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:41,440
>> I'm not sure if this is the right Thank

2903
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:44,239
you. worship spot to say thank you to

2904
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:47,360
city staff. have been out at the Horton

2905
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,199
Market a number of weekends, a number of

2906
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:51,760
Saturdays promoting get out and vote.

2907
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,440
So, congratulations to that work that

2908
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:55,840
they've done. Thank you.

2909
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:58,080
>> Have Have you all checked that you're on

2910
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,199
the that you're eligible to vote? I

2911
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:03,119
spent some great time fighting with it

2912
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:05,040
one night, but I got it, so it works. I

2913
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:08,560
can vote this week or this year. Further

2914
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,440
questions or comments? Seeing none, all

2915
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:15,119
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

2916
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,119
Thanks worship. Next item relates to the

2917
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:19,520
council staff relations policy. I have a

2918
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,159
motion that report CC 1326 relating to

2919
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:23,840
the council staff relations policy be

2920
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,599
received for information and further

2921
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:27,280
that council adopt council staff

2922
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:30,239
relations policy GAO4 as presented and

2923
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:31,920
further that a bylaw authorizing the

2924
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,520
adoption of council staff relations

2925
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,920
policy GA4 be presented to council for

2926
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,440
enactment.

2927
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:39,360
Moved by councelor Gibson or sorry

2928
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:40,800
councelor Herbert, seconded by councelor

2929
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,080
Taylor.

2930
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,280
>> Questions or comments?

2931
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,040
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

2932
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,400
opposed? That's carried.

2933
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,080
>> Last item under this committee relates

2934
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,119
to the St. Thomas Municipal

2935
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:54,880
Accessibility Advisory Committee terms

2936
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:56,560
of reference. I have a motion that

2937
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,119
report CC1 1426 relating to the St.

2938
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:00,800
Thomas Municipal Accessibility Advisory

2939
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,480
Committee terms of reference be received

2940
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,320
for information. And further that

2941
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:05,760
council authorized the preparation of a

2942
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,360
bylaw establishing the St. Thomas

2943
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:08,719
Municipal Accessibility Advisory

2944
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:10,080
Committee in accordance with the

2945
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:11,520
Accessibility Frontarians with

2946
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,040
Disabilities Act 2005 as amended. No by

2947
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:16,639
councelor Gibson, second by Councelor

2948
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:17,520
Rhyme.

2949
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,719
>> Questions or comments?

2950
01:54:20,719 --> 01:54:22,400
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

2951
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,280
opposed? Carried

2952
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:26,400
your worship. Unless there are any

2953
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:27,920
further items from this committee from

2954
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,080
the members.

2955
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:31,920
Uh council will now reconvene into

2956
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,599
regular session. I have a motion that

2957
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:34,960
the recommendations, directions, and

2958
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,320
actions of council and committee of the

2959
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:37,840
whole as recorded in the minutes of this

2960
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,360
date be confirmed, ratified, and

2961
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:43,360
adopted. Moved by councelor Bowwin Sans,

2962
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:44,880
seconded by councelor Wookie.

2963
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,119
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

2964
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:50,960
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

2965
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,719
>> Uh, next we move into reports of

2966
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:54,560
committees. Uh, a couple items this

2967
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:57,360
evening. Uh, we have report chief 2026

2968
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,280
24 of the police chief to the St. House

2969
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:00,960
police services board relating to the

2970
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:04,159
crime severity index values for 2025. Uh

2971
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:05,440
this is included for the members

2972
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,320
information.

2973
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:09,599
>> Councelor Wiki.

2974
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:11,119
>> Thanks your worship. I just like to ask

2975
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:12,560
Chief because he's here just to talk a

2976
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,000
little bit about the highlights of of

2977
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,840
that and what it means for the citizens

2978
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,320
of St. Thomas. Thank you,

2979
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,639
>> Chief. Great to have you here tonight.

2980
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:22,080
>> Thank you for having me. Well, good

2981
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,400
evening uh council. I'm pleased to be

2982
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,639
here this evening to uh to report to you

2983
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,639
and provide information on purposes of

2984
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:32,239
the 2025 crime severity index results um

2985
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:34,800
which demonstrates that St. Thomas uh

2986
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,199
remains a safe city and that the

2987
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:39,599
strategic investments by the city and

2988
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:41,520
the police services board are producing

2989
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,400
measurable results. As you all know,

2990
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,000
I've attended here the last three years

2991
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,000
as the chief of police to report on the

2992
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,159
crime severity index.

2993
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:52,560
Crime severity is separated into three

2994
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,719
primary uh measures. Overall crime

2995
01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:56,560
severity index, non-violent crime

2996
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,719
severity index and the violent crime

2997
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:02,320
severity index. We saw reductions in all

2998
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,560
three measures. This is a significant

2999
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,080
notation

3000
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,000
uh and provides a clear evidence that

3001
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,920
the strategic investments made are

3002
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,639
producing tangible and measurable public

3003
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:15,920
safety outcomes. Of note, overall crime

3004
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,840
severity decreased 6.1% in 2025 and by

3005
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,199
10% since 23, while violent crime

3006
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:26,719
severity fell by a significant 17% over

3007
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:29,599
the past year and is averaging a 6%

3008
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:33,119
reduction since 2023.

3009
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:36,400
Notably, we saw homicides decline 50%,

3010
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,840
robberies decline 33%, and elicit drug

3011
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:44,719
offenses decline 6%. The nonviolent CSI

3012
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:48,719
held steady at a reduction of2%

3013
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:51,199
representing 12% average reduction since

3014
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:52,719
2023.

3015
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:54,639
I would be remiss not to mention the

3016
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:56,719
very promising results from our

3017
01:56:56,719 --> 01:56:58,960
downtown. Social and health related

3018
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,119
disorder issues in the downtown core

3019
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:03,280
have been a primary focus of our police

3020
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,080
service. As you know, since 2021,

3021
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:08,080
unwanted persons in the downtown core

3022
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:11,280
have decreased by 75%.

3023
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,280
Complaints involving drug use, behavior,

3024
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:15,520
or activities in the downtown core have

3025
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:20,239
decreased by 84% since 2021.

3026
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:22,000
These are major reductions, and I

3027
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,520
commend the police services board and

3028
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,199
the city council for providing the

3029
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:27,520
financial resourcing to provide a safe

3030
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,199
city.

3031
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:30,560
This council and the police services

3032
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,560
board made deliberate investments over

3033
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,159
the last couple of years to address

3034
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:36,000
emerging risks and strengthen

3035
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:39,119
organizational police capacity. These

3036
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:42,239
investments were wise and necessary and

3037
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,239
they are working.

3038
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:45,760
What they have done is increased

3039
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,400
frontline capacity. They've targeted

3040
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,199
intelligenceled enforcement.

3041
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:53,280
They provided a community resource team

3042
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,040
which is now comprised of 10 special

3043
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,599
constables. Strengthened street crime

3044
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,320
and our property crime units.

3045
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,480
It has provided the creation of a crime

3046
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,360
analysis unit. It has provided a second

3047
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,080
police services dog team. It enhanced

3048
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,920
forensic identification and digital

3049
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:14,000
forensics capacity and it has uh

3050
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,239
provided the strategic deployment of

3051
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,080
uniform resources where we need them

3052
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,440
most and the creation of a of a of a

3053
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,760
deployment uh and deployment of a

3054
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:28,070
critical incident response team.

3055
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,320
While these results are encouraging, I

3056
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:31,840
do want to note, and it's important for

3057
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,080
me to note, that there are rising

3058
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:37,920
incident volumes this year.

3059
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,360
We are at 1,000 incidents over where we

3060
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,080
were last time this year. Uh so we're

3061
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,840
looking at what is causing the community

3062
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,040
to need the police 1,000 more times in

3063
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:52,400
26, more than 25. Is that what growth

3064
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,599
looks like? Is this our new normal? uh

3065
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,440
and you know we can manage these

3066
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,119
incident volumes. It's just the

3067
01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:01,440
complexities we have to look at. And

3068
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,400
that by complexities I'm referring to

3069
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,719
violent and non-violent recidivism,

3070
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,880
intimate partner violence, which notably

3071
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:12,880
rose 30% in 2025, community disorder and

3072
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:14,480
calls for service, high-risisk and

3073
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,880
prolific offending, investigative and

3074
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,760
frontload frontline workload, population

3075
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,560
and municipal growth, and member uh and

3076
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:26,000
organizational resilience and wellness.

3077
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,440
So, those are the areas we're looking

3078
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,199
at. I do want to take this opportunity

3079
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:30,960
to thank council for your continued

3080
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,679
prioritization of public safety uh and

3081
01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:35,119
for the men and women of the police

3082
01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:36,639
service that serve this community every

3083
01:59:36,639 --> 01:59:40,639
day. Um the results and the work we're

3084
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:42,480
doing together are working. So subject

3085
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,719
to any questions, I I yield back.

3086
01:59:44,719 --> 01:59:47,520
>> Okay, Council Herbert on the crime

3087
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:48,159
severity.

3088
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:49,760
>> Thank you, Worship. I don't really have

3089
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,280
a question for you. It's just going to

3090
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:54,800
be a couple good positive comments. Uh,

3091
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,679
I know when I when I ran for election my

3092
01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:00,239
first term, one of the things I had

3093
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,320
highlighted was a satellite office

3094
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,560
downtown for the police department.

3095
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,560
Well, look where we are now. Your

3096
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,239
special constables. I'm going to brag

3097
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:10,880
about them. They know everybody on that

3098
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,880
street. They take care of everybody and

3099
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,040
it gives your officers an opportunity to

3100
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,040
do police work around the city and not

3101
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:19,440
be dragged down to Jenny. So, kudos to

3102
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:22,080
you in that. Your key findings. We want

3103
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:24,000
to promote St. Thomas, a safe place to

3104
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:26,880
live. Read this. You know, I mean, it

3105
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,719
never going to be perfect, but we're in

3106
02:00:28,719 --> 02:00:33,520
the downward stuff and that's great. So, you have a a great staff and team and

3107
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,599
so I always get excited. I always follow

3108
02:00:35,599 --> 02:00:37,360
these reports along pretty good. So, you

3109
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,440
did it. Who if you did the report?

3110
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,199
Perfect. You did a great job in putting

3111
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:42,960
it all together, especially the diagrams

3112
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:44,719
and stuff. Very good. Thank you very

3113
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:46,800
much. Appreciate it. [snorts]

3114
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:48,639
>> If I did the report, councelor Herbert,

3115
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:49,760
I I did the report.

3116
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,639
>> Yeah.

3117
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:54,239
Further questions or comments? Councelor

3118
02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:55,360
Riml,

3119
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:58,159
>> just I I appreciate the report as well

3120
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,480
and uh it's one thing, you know, when

3121
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,800
you get the funding, it's how to

3122
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,040
strategically manage it and to be

3123
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,920
flexible and to constantly uh maneuver,

3124
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,760
you know, strategies and, you know,

3125
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,480
you're looking at um the national rate

3126
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:16,480
is 75. London's up to 65.95.

3127
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,560
So, you know, you're you're doing a

3128
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,040
tremendous uh tremendous job, a very

3129
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,520
progressive um department, and we're

3130
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,119
very fortunate in the city.

3131
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:28,080
>> Yeah. Councelor Clark,

3132
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,320
>> just wondering about the domest domestic

3133
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,199
violence and whether or not that um is

3134
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:36,159
triggered by anything that you're seeing

3135
02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:39,199
locally or is it a nationwide trend

3136
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:41,920
after the pandemic or whether it's a

3137
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,520
reflection of the economy? and just

3138
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,159
wondering why in one year we're seeing

3139
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:51,510
such a change

3140
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,360
» through your worship to c to council

3141
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:55,840
counselor Clark. Um it is these

3142
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,239
statistics for intimate partner violence

3143
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:01,840
are up nationally. Um so we're looking

3144
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,000
at ways that we can address that. We

3145
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,800
have received provincial funding to come

3146
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:09,920
up with proactive, not just the reactive

3147
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:12,480
pieces, but the proactive ways to

3148
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:16,080
identify uh problematic family disputes

3149
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:19,520
um uh gender-based

3150
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:22,000
violence before it occurs. Um, if we

3151
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,599
have an argument, we now send a social

3152
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:24,960
worker who's embedded in our police

3153
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,760
service to the to the residents or if we

3154
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,679
make an arrest, we have the social

3155
02:02:29,679 --> 02:02:31,840
worker meet with the accused and the

3156
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,639
victims so that uh we can we can stop

3157
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:36,880
the cycle of of violence and knock down

3158
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,679
this 30% rise. But we are still

3159
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,599
analyzing why it's happening, but it is

3160
02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:44,560
happening nationally. There will be some

3161
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:48,560
relation to the second order effects to

3162
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,320
the pandemic, the government's

3163
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:53,920
responses, all of our responses to uh to

3164
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:56,880
the to the pandemic in terms of

3165
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:58,400
resources. Are they not available any

3166
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:04,239
longer? Um have we closed doors to some some important social resources

3167
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:07,360
that once were there to to prevent this?

3168
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,920
We're looking at uh all of that, but uh

3169
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:12,960
the 30% is a real number. Um, and it's

3170
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:16,239
uh it's concerning.

3171
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:17,920
>> Wiki,

3172
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:19,360
>> thanks. Your worship. I have a couple

3173
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,840
questions. One comment about what you

3174
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:24,239
just talked about in partner violence.

3175
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:27,840
I'm hoping that part of it is that we as

3176
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:29,520
a society are getting more comfortable

3177
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,960
talking about it. So perhaps it is that

3178
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,040
more is being reported, you know, that

3179
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,719
might not have been reported. And I

3180
02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:37,920
don't so I'm not trying to phrase this

3181
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,679
as a positive thing but if if people are

3182
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:41,199
more comfortable talking about it and

3183
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,440
reporting it you know we are helping to

3184
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,840
deal with the problem. Um two questions

3185
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:47,440
and they're both I don't want to get

3186
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:48,880
your blood pressure up chief but I know

3187
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:50,800
these are both hot topics because I've

3188
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,520
heard you talk about them many times in

3189
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,560
terms of arson and how it fits into the

3190
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:02,320
crime severity index. How does the the whole topic of arson fit into this

3191
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:05,199
um into these into the graphics here?

3192
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:10,310
That's my first one. Thank you,

3193
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,800
» Councelor Wookie. Um, the arson would

3194
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,199
fit into the nonviolent

3195
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:18,000
um crime severity measure. We've tal

3196
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,159
we've spoken about this in the past. Um,

3197
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:23,760
I would submit to you that arson. Um,

3198
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:26,480
they've used they've used fire as the

3199
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:28,480
weapon and it can have devastating

3200
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,360
effects. We all know uh the results are

3201
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,119
in recently and we put a statement out

3202
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:35,360
on on the sentencing of the individual

3203
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,679
that uh dropped the historical building

3204
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:40,560
in our downtown core. Um and that was a

3205
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,080
significant

3206
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:45,679
um uh sentence. Keep in mind that

3207
02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:48,480
sentence issued in 2025 will have a

3208
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:52,080
direct impact on 26's crime severity for

3209
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:57,520
the nonviolent because crime severity is weighted on the sentences that are

3210
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,760
issued in the year that that they occur.

3211
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:04,480
So we will see um the arson sentence of

3212
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:06,639
five years uh for that individual

3213
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:10,159
reflected in 26 is crime severity. again

3214
02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:11,760
uh and I didn't get into this but we

3215
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,320
can't take the crime severity results uh

3216
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,679
alone. They have to be uh looked at on a

3217
02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:20,560
whole host of of of things that are

3218
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,400
affecting our community public safety.

3219
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:25,840
But they these results coupled with um

3220
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:27,679
other quantitative results are showing

3221
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:30,320
that we have a very safe city and it is

3222
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:32,719
uh it can be attributed to the the uh

3223
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:34,639
the resources the financial resources

3224
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:37,440
that this council has provided me.

3225
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,239
>> Next question. Uh, the second one,

3226
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:42,159
reoffenders.

3227
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:44,400
Now, I I'm wondering if there's been

3228
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,239
analysis done, not asking for it to be

3229
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:47,920
done, but I'm going to guess your

3230
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:49,679
analytics people can take a look at and

3231
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:53,679
say if you [snorts] know x% of these

3232
02:05:53,679 --> 02:05:55,360
serious offenders who are let out on

3233
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,760
recgnissance or whatever conditions were

3234
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,840
not let out and we can take a look at

3235
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,080
the uh crimes they committed when they

3236
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,719
were let out, what would the crime

3237
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:07,599
severity index kind of look like for us?

3238
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:10,080
Um, just some general comments. I'm not

3239
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:11,360
asking for that to be done if it's not

3240
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,360
been done, but I'm guessing that it

3241
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:14,800
would be a very interesting set of

3242
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,320
statistics

3243
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,239
if you took a look at who's doing the

3244
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,320
offending, you know, because we have a

3245
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,000
crime severity index, but it'd be

3246
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:24,159
interesting and take a look at like, you

3247
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:26,639
know, are there eight individuals who

3248
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:29,280
are responsible for 30% of this index,

3249
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:30,560
things like that. So, just a few

3250
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,960
comments from that would be uh great I'd

3251
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,239
be grateful for that.

3252
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:35,760
>> Great

3253
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:40,000
chief. Certainly um

3254
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,639
recetiv recetivism is a is a real thing.

3255
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:45,040
Um we work on the premise that repeated

3256
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:49,119
mistakes or choices. Um and so uh the

3257
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:50,960
federal government as you know just

3258
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:55,119
released um Bill C14 which is an act to

3259
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:59,920
amend um bail. Uh specifically uh I'll

3260
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,599
speak to the reverse onus and repeat

3261
02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:04,560
violent offending uh failure to failure

3262
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:11,040
to appear um and just um shity uh it's

3263
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:14,079
strengthening uh who becomes a shity and

3264
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:17,119
who doesn't. Um

3265
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:19,199
councelor Wookie uh recidivan has has

3266
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:22,400
been a big issue for for us in in uh

3267
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:25,199
recent years. fail to comply offenses

3268
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:29,760
are committed by a disproportionate few.

3269
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,840
Um, and so, uh, we're working to reduce

3270
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:37,679
those those numbers considerably.

3271
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:39,119
In answer to your point about the

3272
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:42,320
reporting up read the gender-based, uh,

3273
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:44,079
gender- based intimate partner violence,

3274
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:47,440
you are correct. We have been advocating

3275
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:50,480
and campaigning publicly about reporting

3276
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,719
and trying to reach victims and

3277
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:55,360
survivors of of IPV and gender- based

3278
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,679
violence. And I think that that also has

3279
02:07:57,679 --> 02:08:00,239
a result, Councelor Clark, as well on

3280
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:02,079
why our numbers nationally have been up.

3281
02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:04,000
There's been an enhanced focus na uh

3282
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:06,639
proincially and nationally on on trying

3283
02:08:06,639 --> 02:08:09,119
to end that. It's become an epidemic and

3284
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,040
we're trying to end that. So the

3285
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:14,159
increased resources put towards that

3286
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:17,360
specific crime complexity

3287
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,520
um

3288
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,480
results in some u increased numbers in

3289
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:25,360
those areas. So

3290
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:26,880
>> further questions or comments on the

3291
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:29,679
crime severity index. Seeing none, all

3292
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:33,119
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

3293
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:35,840
Chief, you have a second report.

3294
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,440
>> Thanks. Yeah, another report under

3295
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:38,880
reports of committee report. Chief

3296
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:40,880
202628 of the police chief to the St.

3297
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:42,400
Thomas Police Services Board. This one

3298
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:44,719
relates to tactical readiness vehicles.

3299
02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:46,239
As there's a financial component, I do

3300
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:47,920
have a motion ready that council support

3301
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:49,840
the proposed acquisition of two tactical

3302
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:53,360
response vehicles at a cost of 159,900

3303
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:55,040
plus applicable taxes and necessary

3304
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:56,719
transfer costs funded from available

3305
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:59,119
police services development charge

3306
02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:00,880
reserves.

3307
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:02,400
Moved by councelor Wilkey, second by

3308
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,960
councelor Gibson.

3309
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:07,840
>> Questions or comments? Councelor Rhymel

3310
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,320
>> just the um development charge reserve

3311
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,800
fund report is a very handy report there

3312
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:15,520
to have so anyway but I I know that you

3313
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:17,199
do

3314
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:20,400
not try you do uh contain any vehicle

3315
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,800
costs in your operating which I don't

3316
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,800
know how you do it so um this is a seems

3317
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:28,880
to be very reasonable amount and we've

3318
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:30,800
got the you you know you have the

3319
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,480
reserve fund and we can't use it for

3320
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:34,320
anything else like we can't take it and

3321
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:36,960
give it to planning so Um, it's there to

3322
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:39,440
be used and this seems like a good uh a

3323
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:41,599
good use of it.

3324
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:43,440
>> Councelor Herbert,

3325
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,679
>> thank you. Worship. Well, you know,

3326
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:48,239
Mark, this was my first term board. This

3327
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:49,760
was a discussion at that time with you

3328
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:51,760
and Chris and your worship was on the

3329
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:54,480
board. We'll get this and it just wasn't

3330
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,040
in the cards at that time. Uh, your plan

3331
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,119
was, I believe, was to contact London if

3332
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,840
you needed uh that type of service. But

3333
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:03,840
now, so this is this is great here. I

3334
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,639
mean, I'm I'm happily supporting it and

3335
02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:08,800
uh I don't know what uh uh when you

3336
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,079
finally get them if you're going to be

3337
02:10:10,079 --> 02:10:11,679
able to offer your service maybe to

3338
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:13,440
Elmer. I don't know how that works, if

3339
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:15,440
that's a possibility. But my question is

3340
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:18,239
not capital. I mean, your reserve fund,

3341
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:19,920
your worship will remember we had a big

3342
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:21,440
debate about the reserve fund for the

3343
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,760
police services board and we ended up

3344
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:25,520
letting you keep your money in police

3345
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:27,440
services board. So, my question is

3346
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:28,960
operational.

3347
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:33,840
Do you have to hire more officers now to man these? You have to train officers

3348
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:35,599
for this special. Do you have to buy

3349
02:10:35,599 --> 02:10:38,320
special equipment? Bigger gun? I don't

3350
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,960
know. I say bigger guns, but is is that

3351
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:42,239
something that would come out of a

3352
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:44,480
reserve hunt or is that not necessary?

3353
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:46,639
You just have certain you just take two

3354
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:51,199
officers on a shift and put them in the tank and away you go. Is that the

3355
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:52,719
way it works? I'm just not sure. I'm

3356
02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:53,760
just wondering if there's any more

3357
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:56,320
operational costs that are going to pop

3358
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,159
up here. So, that's my question. Thank

3359
02:10:58,159 --> 02:10:59,599
you,

3360
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:01,199
>> Chief.

3361
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:02,800
through your worship worship to

3362
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,639
councelor Herbert. Um the police service

3363
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:06,239
has been transitioning from a

3364
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,159
containment team that we developed two

3365
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:11,840
years ago to a tactical team in 2027.

3366
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:13,679
What these vehicles will do is they will

3367
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,520
provide further readiness. We're not

3368
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,440
quite there but we are getting ourselves

3369
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:19,440
there for the arrival of Power Cole

3370
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:23,199
which is a requirement. Um,

3371
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:26,239
in terms of the upscaled uh

3372
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:28,800
qualifications of this team, they are 12

3373
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,719
individuals that are highly trained to

3374
02:11:30,719 --> 02:11:35,599
deal with very serious violent crisis um

3375
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:38,400
matters. Uh, front line has some of this

3376
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:40,560
training, but not near what these

3377
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:44,079
individual officers have. Uh, yes, it

3378
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:45,840
is. is these vehicles are equipped with

3379
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:51,679
vaults for rifles uh for all of those um

3380
02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:53,840
critical incidents that we are

3381
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,480
legislated to uh to be ready for and to

3382
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:01,189
provide.

3383
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:03,360
Counc.

3384
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,079
>> Thanks, Worship. Uh, typically

3385
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:08,239
police budget items don't come to us.

3386
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:11,199
And so I just wanted clarification on

3387
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,239
the the development charge reserve fund

3388
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:17,920
is our fund, right? It's not the part of

3389
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:20,880
the police budget as you described,

3390
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,520
Council Herbert.

3391
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:27,760
So, so this is an ask outside of the

3392
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:31,280
budget that we've we've established that

3393
02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:33,840
we're asking to be approved tonight.

3394
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:34,639
Just clarification.

3395
02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:36,719
>> I think I'd like our treasurer to give

3396
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:39,440
us just a little further explanation on

3397
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:40,960
where this came from.

3398
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:41,920
>> Thank [clears throat] you.

3399
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,440
>> Thank you, your worship. That was an

3400
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:46,400
accurate description. Um, we see this as

3401
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:49,119
a a ask extraneous to the budget process

3402
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:51,040
between the police services board and

3403
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:53,280
the city. Um the use of the development

3404
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,520
charge uh police police development

3405
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,920
charge reserve fund is at the city's

3406
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,920
discretion. It's not an area that the

3407
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:03,280
police board could um forcibly transfer

3408
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,520
out of. Uh but that being said, we did

3409
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:06,960
encourage the chief to come to the

3410
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,480
meeting tonight. We're supportive of the

3411
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,800
request and ultimately these DC funds

3412
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:13,040
were set aside for the purposes of what

3413
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:15,440
is being proposed uh through his report.

3414
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:17,599
So we are supportive of uh him coming

3415
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:19,840
here tonight and um approval of the

3416
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:23,350
request.

3417
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:26,079
Okay.

3418
02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:29,440
Right. I just um

3419
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,440
we had a a large increase in our in our

3420
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,079
budget this year driven by the fact that

3421
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:38,560
the province didn't give the police the

3422
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:41,599
grants that they typically get and now

3423
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:45,760
bec now we're uh transitioning from

3424
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:50,639
um to a tactical unit. Is there

3425
02:13:50,639 --> 02:13:53,840
is is is all this on the taxpayers's

3426
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,840
back or does the province when you move

3427
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:58,639
from a containment unit to a tactical

3428
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:01,360
unit is there new provincial dollars

3429
02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:04,079
that we didn't get recently that could

3430
02:14:04,079 --> 02:14:09,350
be applied to this situation

3431
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,119
» councelor clerk we're always looking for

3432
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:14,000
ways to offset uh expenses through

3433
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,639
provincial revenues um I don't know of

3434
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:20,400
any stream that would offset that uh

3435
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:22,880
this this fits into the community safety

3436
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,040
and policing act. It's a regulation that

3437
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:28,800
if the the city needs a tactical unit,

3438
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:32,079
they are uh financially uh responsible

3439
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:37,199
to to operationally fund that. Um and so

3440
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:40,480
again, this is as a result of growth uh

3441
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:44,239
where we're going with crime severity um

3442
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:46,880
uh with the arrival of Power Co. There's

3443
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,040
a number of reasons why we need to move

3444
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:51,360
ourselves to a tactical response team

3445
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:54,079
that is working. We reported out in the

3446
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:58,400
annual annual report in June. We have um

3447
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:02,400
involved this team 94% more than we did

3448
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,679
in uh 2025.

3449
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:08,480
We didn't have a team in uh completely

3450
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:11,119
formed in 2024. So, it's relatively a

3451
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:13,520
new team. Uh there are operational

3452
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,119
expenses that we've been chipping away

3453
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:17,040
at trying to get there over about a

3454
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,280
three-year period for the arrival of

3455
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:21,840
Power Co next September. And this team

3456
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:26,239
is required uh as a level two legislated

3457
02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:30,239
team. Um and it it does fit the growth.

3458
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:32,639
It is a requirement of growth. Hope that

3459
02:15:32,639 --> 02:15:35,840
answers your question.

3460
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,350
Further questions?

3461
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,159
Thanks, Chief. Um, there was a motion on

3462
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:45,840
the floor. So, I'll say all in favor.

3463
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:48,079
Any opposed? Carried. Chief, thank you

3464
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:49,840
for coming, sharing with us on both of

3465
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:53,119
those topics tonight.

3466
02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:54,480
>> Thanks, worship. We'll now move into

3467
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:56,239
communications. First item relates to

3468
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:58,239
the fetal alcohol spectrums disorder

3469
02:15:58,239 --> 02:16:00,480
awareness. Uh, it's a September 9th,

3470
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:02,560
2026 proclamation, jumbo lighting, and

3471
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:04,320
bell ringing. I have a motion that the

3472
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:05,679
council of the city of St. Thomas

3473
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:08,159
proclaimed September 9th, 2026 as fetal

3474
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:10,239
alcohol spectrum disorder awareness day

3475
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:12,719
in the city of St. Thomas. And further

3476
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,719
that the jumbo monument be lit in red

3477
02:16:14,719 --> 02:16:17,599
from September 5th to 9th, 2026. And

3478
02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:19,199
further that the bells at city hall be

3479
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:21,679
rung nine times at 9:09 a.m. on

3480
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,159
September 9th, 2026.

3481
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:26,000
Moved by councelor Kohler, seconded by

3482
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:27,119
councelor Herbert.

3483
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:29,679
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

3484
02:16:29,679 --> 02:16:33,200
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

3485
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,120
Next item relates to the international

3486
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:36,800
day for the eradication of poverty,

3487
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:39,120
October 17th, 2026 proclamation and

3488
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:41,120
plague raising. I have a motion that the

3489
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:42,399
council of the city of St. Thomas

3490
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:44,960
proclaim October 17th, 2026 as

3491
02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:46,639
international day for the eradication of

3492
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,800
poverty in the city of St. Thomas. And

3493
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:50,160
further that the coalition to end

3494
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:52,559
poverty flag be flown on October 17th,

3495
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:54,160
2026.

3496
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:55,840
By councelor Bobin Sand, seconded by

3497
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:57,519
councelor Gibson.

3498
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,840
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

3499
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:02,719
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

3500
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:04,399
Next item relates to Ontario Public

3501
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:07,679
Library Week October 18th to 24th, 2026

3502
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:09,920
proclamation and flag raising. I have a

3503
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,040
motion that the council of the city of

3504
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:13,200
St. Thomas proclaim October 18th to

3505
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:16,240
24th, 2026 as Ontario Public Library

3506
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:18,319
week in the city of St. Thomas and

3507
02:17:18,319 --> 02:17:19,920
further that the green libraries for

3508
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,960
life flag be flown for the week. Moved

3509
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:24,800
by councelor Riml, seconded by councelor

3510
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:25,760
Gibson.

3511
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,160
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

3512
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:31,840
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

3513
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:33,840
Next item relates to the foster family

3514
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,559
appreciation week October 19th to 25th

3515
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:39,519
2026 proclamation flag raising. I have a

3516
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:40,800
motion that council of the city of St.

3517
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:43,280
Thomas proclaim October 19th to 25th

3518
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:46,240
2026 as foster family appreciation week

3519
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:48,000
in the city of St. Thomas and further

3520
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:49,519
that the family and children services

3521
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:52,000
flag be flown for the week. Moved by

3522
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,760
councelor Taylor, seconded by councelor

3523
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:54,319
Clark.

3524
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:56,559
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

3525
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:59,599
those in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

3526
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:01,359
Uh, next item relates to a request to

3527
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:03,519
permit the keeping of backyard hens. A

3528
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:04,960
letter has been received from Daniel

3529
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:07,519
Zeniga, 26 Welch Court regarding the

3530
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:09,439
keeping of backyard hens in the city.

3531
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:11,200
Uh, as noted on council's agenda, a

3532
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:12,800
motion was lost to permit the keeping of

3533
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:15,040
backyard hens in 2025. Should council

3534
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:16,399
wish to change that direction, a motion

3535
02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:19,439
to reconsider would be required.

3536
02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:21,280
>> Councelor Kohler,

3537
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,200
>> thanks your worship. I I thought that

3538
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:25,040
report actually had something in it that

3539
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:26,800
they would

3540
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:28,559
keep monitoring this and then report

3541
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,399
back later because I know that most of

3542
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:34,479
council had a serious um concerns with I

3543
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:36,719
think aviation like the bird bird bird

3544
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:38,319
flu at that time and they were looking

3545
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:40,719
at different ways for for doing that. So

3546
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:42,639
I wasn't sure if that was built into

3547
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:45,040
that but um

3548
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:45,679
>> obviously

3549
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:47,760
>> still require a rec reconsideration

3550
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:48,319
vote.

3551
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:50,160
>> Okay. So I guess that's where I was

3552
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:51,840
mistaken. I thought it was just left on

3553
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:54,399
there that it was uh put for further

3554
02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:57,840
review, but okay. So, I guess um we'll

3555
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:00,639
let that individual know that that has

3556
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:05,840
to take place prior to that, but okay.

3557
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:07,280
>> Thanks, Worship. Uh we already dealt

3558
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:09,200
with the Emily Field Grandstand. So,

3559
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:10,800
next item under communications, the

3560
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:12,639
Catfish Creek Conservation Authority

3561
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:14,800
2027 draft budget and municipal levy

3562
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,719
aortionment. A letter has been received

3563
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:18,559
from Dusty Underh Hill, general manager,

3564
02:19:18,559 --> 02:19:20,080
secretary treasurer for the Catfish

3565
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,519
Creek Conservation Authority regarding

3566
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:23,679
the authority's 2027 draft budget and

3567
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:27,760
municipal levy uh portionment.

3568
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,599
That's for council's information. Uh

3569
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:31,599
next item relates to the Eastern Lake

3570
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:33,359
Erie Regional Conservation Authority

3571
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:35,920
amalgamation. A joint statement has been

3572
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:38,000
received from Morgan Griffin, chair

3573
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,559
Catfish Creek Conservation Authority,

3574
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:43,120
John Chalinor, II, chair, Grand River

3575
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,200
Conservation Authority, Todd Noble,

3576
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:46,559
chair, Kettle Creek Conservation

3577
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,200
Authority, and Doug Brunton, chair

3578
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,120
Longpoint Region Conservation Authority,

3579
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:52,800
regarding the appointment of Samantha

3580
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,040
Lawson as project executive to chair the

3581
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:56,640
regional transition committee and

3582
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:58,960
inaugural CEO for the Eastern Lake Erie

3583
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:01,520
Regional Conservation Authority. again

3584
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,600
for council information. Next item

3585
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:05,280
relates to the Ontario Provincial

3586
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:07,680
Conservation Agency Regional Transition

3587
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:09,600
Committees. A letter has been received

3588
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:12,319
from Hassan Basset, CEO, Ontario

3589
02:20:12,319 --> 02:20:14,160
Provincial Conservation Agency,

3590
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:15,600
regarding members appointed to

3591
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:17,280
transition committees to support the

3592
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,200
implementation of regional conservation

3593
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:21,439
authority consolidation.

3594
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:23,120
And the last item on the agenda under

3595
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:26,080
communications from the Obudsman Ontario

3596
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:29,120
uh relating to the 2025 annual report. A

3597
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:30,479
letter has been received from Barbara

3598
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:32,720
Finlay, acting OMBbudsman of Ontario

3599
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:35,840
regarding the 2025 2026 annual report.

3600
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:37,680
The report is available electronically

3601
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,720
on the OMBbudsman's website.

3602
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,800
Uh unless there are any items under

3603
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,120
communications or unfinished business or

3604
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:47,840
new business of council.

3605
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:51,280
>> Council Herbert. Thank you, worship. Uh,

3606
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:53,439
I'm glad the fire chief is in attendance

3607
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:55,280
tonight because I have a question for

3608
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:57,520
him. If you notice in the paper a few

3609
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:59,439
weeks ago, there was a big fire in

3610
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:01,359
Strathroy and when the fire department

3611
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:04,880
got there, it was magnesium on fire and

3612
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:08,640
I don't know uh if they had they had to

3613
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:10,800
get some special

3614
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:12,800
stuff to put on it. I don't know if they

3615
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,200
had it on and I don't know is it

3616
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,840
dangerous for the firefighters to to

3617
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,920
come on a site with magnesium. And the

3618
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:22,080
third part, do we have magnesium in the

3619
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:23,680
city? So those three questions for you

3620
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,800
there, Mr. Gregory. Thank you,

3621
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:31,359
>> Chief. How's your magnesium knowledge?

3622
02:21:31,359 --> 02:21:32,640
>> Your worship is great.

3623
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:35,120
>> All right. So you your worship to

3624
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,000
councelor Herbert. So a great question.

3625
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,080
Um I read about that and I saw some of

3626
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:43,439
the um media stuff over that. Yes, we

3627
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:46,000
have magnesium in the city. Um, a lot of

3628
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,520
the, uh, shops that do, um, tool and die

3629
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,560
work and, uh, specialty shops like that,

3630
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:55,120
they do carry magnesium. We are prepared

3631
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:58,160
for any of those fires. Um, we carry a

3632
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:00,160
special extinguisher on our trucks

3633
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,319
that's designed just for that. You can't

3634
02:22:02,319 --> 02:22:05,040
put water on it. Water intensifies

3635
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,439
magnesium fires. Um, it just creates

3636
02:22:07,439 --> 02:22:09,680
heat. Magnesium fires burn around

3637
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:11,680
anywhere between 3,000 and 5,000

3638
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,359
degrees. it is dangerous to the

3639
02:22:13,359 --> 02:22:17,120
firefighters but during initial um you

3640
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:19,520
know indications through alarms and

3641
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:20,560
whatever and I think through the

3642
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:22,000
building code and the fire code if

3643
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,840
anybody has magnesium in there is they

3644
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:25,600
have to put in specialty systems that

3645
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:27,280
are integrated into their sprinkler

3646
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:28,640
systems or whatever they have it would

3647
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:31,760
be a chemical uh area where it's stored.

3648
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,160
Um and also one of the other things if

3649
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:36,720
you don't have enough uh agent applied

3650
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,560
you can put sand on it and we carry

3651
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,960
abundant amount of sand will put it out

3652
02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:45,359
too. So it's a matter of smothering the magnesium to put it out and we have

3653
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:46,720
that all day long and our training

3654
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,319
officers here too. So that's some of the

3655
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:50,479
thing that uh we train our firefighters

3656
02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:54,960
in different aspects to mitigate.

3657
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:58,640
>> Great council Riml say Chief Gregor just

3658
02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:00,640
stay there.

3659
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:03,280
So when you're talking about uh um

3660
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:05,439
Stroth anyway I have a fire question.

3661
02:23:05,439 --> 02:23:07,120
And I just wondered if you could give an

3662
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:10,640
update on the vacant um building um

3663
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:12,319
registry that we're going to do. Just,

3664
02:23:12,319 --> 02:23:14,319
you know, there was a house that blew up

3665
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:17,520
in London. You know, it was vacant and I

3666
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,280
just wondered where we are in that

3667
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:21,120
process because that's a concern. And

3668
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:23,439
just another piece of that, do we need

3669
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:25,920
some type of listing of new businesses

3670
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,960
because um I don't think we have a not

3671
02:23:28,960 --> 02:23:31,439
to have a building permit or whatever,

3672
02:23:31,439 --> 02:23:34,000
but just some listing that uh fire

3673
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:35,600
police, everyone's aware that here's

3674
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:37,120
this new building and maybe they're

3675
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:38,880
holding propane tanks, maybe it's full

3676
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:42,000
of magnesium, who knows? But and then we

3677
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:43,439
could also give them a little welcome

3678
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:46,080
wagon, you know, with uh stuff about the

3679
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,560
city. But just as two pieces, do we need

3680
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:50,319
a a listing of building and where are we

3681
02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:53,120
at with the vacant uh building

3682
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:55,600
>> through your worship to council Raml? So

3683
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:58,160
Kim and I uh fire prevention officer

3684
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,319
Destin and I are working uh towards

3685
02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:02,080
that. We have to set up a meeting with

3686
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,000
uh Lou and his team to put it all

3687
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:05,760
together. We don't like and like we said

3688
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:08,160
before uh we don't want to do this, you

3689
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:10,000
know, piece it together. We want to make

3690
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,840
this spectacular. Uh there's some other

3691
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:13,760
ones out there. uh other municipalities

3692
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,439
have reached out to us and said you know

3693
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:18,640
great idea how can we you know look at

3694
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,960
this and what can we do to help you so

3695
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:23,280
this will be big um the second part of

3696
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:26,160
your question as uh indication of new

3697
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,080
businesses I know our fire prevention

3698
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,720
team meets with new businesses go in and

3699
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:32,399
uh say it's a restaurant or whatever it

3700
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:34,880
is they go through the fire safety plans

3701
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,800
they look what they have they uh

3702
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:38,720
register they're in our crisis system at

3703
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:41,520
work uh through our dispatch u they have

3704
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,000
a list of the owners, what the contents

3705
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,080
are, and what their fire safety plans

3706
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:48,080
are, too. So, anything that's new, our

3707
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:50,000
fire prevention team go into those

3708
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,840
buildings, check out those buildings,

3709
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:53,760
and do all the means of egress, whether

3710
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:55,200
they have the right amount of uh

3711
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:57,359
extinguishers, lighting, and all those

3712
02:24:57,359 --> 02:25:02,000
processes are done before that they're given access to open as a a new

3713
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,200
building.

3714
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:05,760
>> Just just a qu So, do we have a formal

3715
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:07,920
listing where where new businesses

3716
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,680
register somewhere? like how do you know

3717
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:11,920
that a new business has has come to the

3718
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:13,040
city?

3719
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:14,800
>> So they reach out to usually through I

3720
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:16,080
think it's through planning that we get

3721
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:18,399
it and other departments that we get an

3722
02:25:18,399 --> 02:25:19,920
idea that something. So if somebody's

3723
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,359
building a new restaurant, they have to

3724
02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:22,800
go through us. So we'll get a building

3725
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:25,120
permit. It'll come to us first and

3726
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:26,479
building permit and then we do the

3727
02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:29,120
followup of of stuff like that.

3728
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:30,800
>> Okay. So it just might be a thought if

3729
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:32,399
we know that new businesses are coming

3730
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:34,640
just is that a way we could communicate

3731
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:36,479
things you know a little package about

3732
02:25:36,479 --> 02:25:38,880
the city is you know things to help them

3733
02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:41,439
with their their you know planning

3734
02:25:41,439 --> 02:25:43,040
around the city. But anyway thank you

3735
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:43,920
very much. I just

3736
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,760
>> back to the old days like welcome wagon

3737
02:25:45,760 --> 02:25:47,359
where we used to get a little basket.

3738
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:48,479
>> Yeah we're just worried about that

3739
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:51,520
building blowing up you know.

3740
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:52,000
>> Thank you.

3741
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:55,439
>> Great. Other new business or unfinished

3742
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:58,319
business questions? It's been a very

3743
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:00,960
busy summer for a lot of people in our

3744
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,920
community, but um looking forward to the

3745
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,560
rest of August and into Labor Day before

3746
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:08,880
we're back together as a team. So,

3747
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:12,399
perfect. Councelor Herbert, I'm just I'd

3748
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:14,319
like to thank the our customer service

3749
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:16,800
department there. I've had three people

3750
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:20,080
call me and I've said I'll forward me

3751
02:26:20,080 --> 02:26:21,600
the information. I'll send it on to

3752
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:22,880
customer service. That's what's

3753
02:26:22,880 --> 02:26:25,120
happened. Two of the people got back to

3754
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:26,720
me and said that they had a response

3755
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:29,200
from customer server who with a detailed

3756
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:31,280
thing. I thought that was pretty

3757
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:33,439
impressive. So anyway, thank you to the

3758
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:34,240
customer service.

3759
02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:36,240
>> It is the right route and I I hear from

3760
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:38,960
almost all of the council now that

3761
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:42,319
that's the referral. So it's perfect and

3762
02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:46,160
lots of good result because of it.

3763
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:48,720
Nothing else under unfinished or new.

3764
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:50,560
Moving on.

3765
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:52,399
>> Thanks worship. No public notices or

3766
02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:54,479
notice uh no public notices this

3767
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:56,080
evening. We do have a notice of motion

3768
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:58,399
previously from councelor Baldwin Sans.

3769
02:26:58,399 --> 02:26:59,520
I have a motion that's moved by

3770
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,760
councelor Baldwin Sans. Whereas the city

3771
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:03,359
of St. Thomas is positioned to

3772
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:05,280
experience and capitalize on significant

3773
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:07,439
regional growth. And whereas the city

3774
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:09,359
provides a breadth of services to its

3775
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:11,040
growing community including parks and

3776
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,520
recreation. And whereas at its March

3777
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:15,760
9th, 2026 regular meeting, council

3778
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:18,399
received report PR726 from the director

3779
02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:20,640
of parks and recreation relating to the

3780
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:22,319
community and aquatic center feasibility

3781
02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:24,960
study final report. And whereas report

3782
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:26,479
PR726

3783
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:28,080
noted in part that the appended

3784
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:29,840
consultant report does not provide the

3785
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:31,439
depth of analysis that staff would

3786
02:27:31,439 --> 02:27:32,880
regard as sufficient to support

3787
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:35,280
implementation at this stage. and

3788
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:36,720
further that until a broader growth

3789
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:38,080
related financial framework is

3790
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:39,600
established, staff are not in a position

3791
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:41,280
to appropriately assess the financial

3792
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:43,040
feasibility of the proposed aquatics

3793
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:45,359
center. And whereas council passed the

3794
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:47,680
resolution associated with report pro

3795
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:49,760
726 that council shall have the ability

3796
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:51,680
to provide direction on further action

3797
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:54,000
relating to the study. And whereas the

3798
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:55,760
town of Axbridge has proceeded with a

3799
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,200
similar project and associated

3800
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:58,880
guidelines that appear to align with the

3801
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:00,880
intent of a future city related

3802
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:03,040
community and aquatic center project.

3803
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:04,800
Now therefore, be it resolved that staff

3804
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:06,479
be directed to investigate and report

3805
02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:07,920
back on alternatives to the community

3806
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:09,760
and aquatic center project that consider

3807
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:11,840
and integrate where possible the

3808
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:13,840
formulas, methodology, and objectives

3809
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:16,160
associated with Bridg's project

3810
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:18,319
approach. Again, I have move as

3811
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:21,040
councelor Baldwin Sans seconded by

3812
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:23,200
councelor Gibson.

3813
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,160
>> Questions or comments? Councelor Riml

3814
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:28,000
then councelor Baldwin Sands, it's

3815
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:29,439
yours. I'll let you go first and then

3816
02:28:29,439 --> 02:28:31,200
I'll go to councelor Raml.

3817
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,880
>> Thank you. Just to add a little more

3818
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:36,640
context is that what Oxbridge is in

3819
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:39,520
currently building and the process is 13

3820
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:42,479
months rather than years away is an

3821
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:45,040
eight lane 25 meter pool with a full

3822
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:47,760
community center which is three gyms and

3823
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:50,240
in one of the gyms is also a performance

3824
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,880
stage. All of that is being done

3825
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:55,600
underneath an umbrella of $16 million

3826
02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:58,800
and those are current numbers and they

3827
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:02,640
received 50% provincial funding in order

3828
02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:04,880
to move this forward. So the community

3829
02:29:04,880 --> 02:29:08,160
of Axbridge is a population of just over

3830
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,399
22,000

3831
02:29:10,399 --> 02:29:12,960
and they are putting this program

3832
02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:16,160
together and it is um to be completed

3833
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:18,560
very very soon. So that is what I'm

3834
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:20,800
hoping for today and I am grateful that

3835
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:23,600
someone seconded that we do develop more

3836
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:26,399
of the framework rather than that what

3837
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:28,399
was in the consultant report about 6

3838
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:31,600
months ago and have the city investigate

3839
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:34,880
freely this type of option and bring a

3840
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:40,630
full community center to this community.

3841
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:43,439
» Councelor Riml questions or comments? I

3842
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:46,319
just had a comment that um the expert

3843
02:29:46,319 --> 02:29:49,840
just the concern that the actual pool is

3844
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:51,840
not built yet. It hasn't, you know, I

3845
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:53,439
know it's in the process. They've

3846
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,760
started some site preparation, but it

3847
02:29:55,760 --> 02:29:57,680
hasn't been built and it hasn't been

3848
02:29:57,680 --> 02:30:00,479
tested as far as how is the dome uh

3849
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:02,319
going to work with the humidity because

3850
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,640
humidity and pools are a big uh issue

3851
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:07,520
and especially with the uh cold weather.

3852
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:10,479
So, it's just a concern that to try and

3853
02:30:10,479 --> 02:30:12,000
um

3854
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:13,840
investigate a project that hasn't

3855
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:19,030
actually been established is a concern.

3856
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:21,680
I think the question and during my

3857
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:23,760
investigation of this and attending

3858
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:27,760
several workshops on what was available

3859
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:29,680
uh over the last few months is that

3860
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:33,200
there is a 25year warranty that comes

3861
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,840
available with this type of program and

3862
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:38,160
there is uh extended warranties that are

3863
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:41,200
also available. So, there is a 25-year

3864
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,240
warranty on the that dome. And when it

3865
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:46,319
comes to what it can accommodate,

3866
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:48,399
usually a lifespan of a pool of this

3867
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:51,680
sort is about 25 years, but you do hope

3868
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,920
that there is a longer lifespan for it

3869
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,560
as some pools have been in existence for

3870
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:58,640
longer. But I do appreciate the question

3871
02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:00,960
because yes, there um that is something

3872
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:03,120
that people do bring up, but it comes

3873
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,280
with a very extensive warranty. And

3874
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:06,880
that's why I want the city to

3875
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:08,960
investigate, city staff to investigate

3876
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,040
and bring a report back.

3877
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:14,000
>> If if I can just ask that of you're

3878
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,160
asking our parks and recck department to

3879
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:18,240
do this research. Is that what the

3880
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:21,359
motion reads? Okay. Councelor Wiki.

3881
02:31:21,359 --> 02:31:27,040
>> Thanks, your worship. Um I'm okay with this certainly happening,

3882
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:29,280
but for me it's a it's a matter of staff

3883
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:31,120
capacity. And then I have one other

3884
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:33,359
comment. So, if this is like I guess I

3885
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:34,800
mean there's lots of councelor Balden

3886
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:35,920
Sans says has an amount of information

3887
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:39,359
available and if this is a a say I'm and

3888
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:41,280
I'm just I don't have any idea like if

3889
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:43,280
this is a 20-hour project for staff

3890
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:45,120
that's one thing. If it's a 100 hour

3891
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,040
project for staff that's a whole other

3892
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:49,280
thing. So, if this can be done in a a

3893
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:52,319
reasonable amount of time, um I'd be

3894
02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:54,399
pleased to hear from this because the

3895
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:57,439
challenge is like and I and councelor

3896
02:31:57,439 --> 02:31:58,800
Baldin stands and I talked about this is

3897
02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:02,080
not a secret like um if we had the

3898
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:03,760
sprung and mirth of people come here,

3899
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,920
it's not it's less information. It's

3900
02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:06,640
informationational but it's an

3901
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:08,720
infomercial. If we have our staff doing

3902
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:11,200
it, I think we're getting a more of a

3903
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:13,920
third party look at this, which I'm all

3904
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,800
in favor of. Right. Um, so I guess that

3905
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:19,600
is um I've satisfied my second part

3906
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:21,520
about the it not being an infomercial

3907
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:24,640
and I just I'm looking for information

3908
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:28,800
uh perhaps from um the parks director in

3909
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:30,720
how much time she thinks something like

3910
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:35,120
this would take to do properly for us.

3911
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:37,280
Thank you.

3912
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:39,280
>> Go ahead. But I'm going to go to the to

3913
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:40,479
the people are going to have to do the

3914
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:41,439
work. So go ahead.

3915
02:32:41,439 --> 02:32:44,080
>> Absolutely. there is templates that are

3916
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:46,240
there and that's one of the things that

3917
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,960
I have done with the XBridge project and

3918
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:51,520
what I've been looking at um the best

3919
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:53,439
way to describe it is it's a program in

3920
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:55,920
a box so here it is here it is this is

3921
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:57,520
what you need this is what you have to

3922
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:02,399
do etc all of the materials are provided

3923
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:04,240
has just gone through it the Oxbridge

3924
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,040
staff have just gone through it the city

3925
02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:09,200
council has just gone through it and the

3926
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:12,319
local MPP was very actively involved as

3927
02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:14,960
well. So, all of the pieces are there.

3928
02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:18,640
is I understand that there is no

3929
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:20,880
um

3930
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:23,120
hiccups that could happen with having to

3931
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,200
use something else that is already there

3932
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:27,439
because those templates do exist and

3933
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:29,840
they're ready to go. And I thank

3934
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:32,160
Oxbridge if we can able to do this. And

3935
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:34,960
then I actually do want to hear from the

3936
02:33:34,960 --> 02:33:37,200
staff how long they think this um

3937
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:38,960
investigation would last. Thank you.

3938
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:40,720
>> Okay. I have a couple of questions. If

3939
02:33:40,720 --> 02:33:42,800
you don't, can I jump in, Gary? Cuz

3940
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:44,560
first off,

3941
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:46,399
Oxbridge is under construction, so we

3942
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:47,840
certainly could get them from them, and

3943
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:49,359
we certainly probably have friends we

3944
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:51,680
could probably do that with, but we're

3945
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:55,520
talking about a a structure that I don't

3946
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:57,439
need to see a new one. I need to see a

3947
02:33:57,439 --> 02:34:01,520
25-year-old one. Who's got one? The

3948
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:03,280
motion only asks us to go look at a new

3949
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:06,000
one under construction.

3950
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:08,479
Do you know where else Sprung has built

3951
02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:10,640
say in the last 10, 15 or 20 years that

3952
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:12,800
we could go ask them how is it holding

3953
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:14,960
up? How did it do? How do how were they

3954
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:16,560
to work with? Because I don't want to

3955
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,319
expand your motion, but I don't want to

3956
02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:20,560
make I'm not sure going and looking at

3957
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:22,880
another brand new project gives us much.

3958
02:34:22,880 --> 02:34:24,479
But go ahead.

3959
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:26,160
>> It is a very good question and I

3960
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:28,080
appreciate it. There has been some

3961
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:30,640
others that have been done and one of

3962
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:31,760
the things that I have been

3963
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:34,319
investigating is one particular one that

3964
02:34:34,319 --> 02:34:36,000
was put in a few years ago was not

3965
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:37,680
maintained properly during the COVID

3966
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:41,040
years. You uh drain the pool. If you

3967
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:42,479
have a backyard pool, you don't drain

3968
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:44,000
your pool unless you're going to

3969
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,640
completely replace the liner. Um, I've

3970
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:49,040
been working on pools for especially

3971
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:52,880
backyard pools for a very long time and

3972
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:56,000
do appreciate that there is some

3973
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:57,840
questions that need to be investigated

3974
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:00,880
by staff and I strongly support staff to

3975
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:03,439
do that type of investigation, but I do

3976
02:35:03,439 --> 02:35:05,520
have a strong feeling that it's going to

3977
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:07,520
come back in a very positive manner.

3978
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:09,200
>> Super

3979
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:11,920
Adrian [laughter]

3980
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:13,600
and then I'll go back to you council

3981
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:15,680
clerk. Thank you, your worship. Uh

3982
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:18,080
through to council, we'll do our best to

3983
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:21,040
bring back a report that is, you know,

3984
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:24,000
sourced from consultants and um I do

3985
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,840
know of another municipality that has

3986
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:27,600
used this product so we can reach out to

3987
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,399
them as well um and and make sure that

3988
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:32,080
we're cognizant of time. So just

3989
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,880
bringing back some facts um for council

3990
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:37,280
to decide if that's a further

3991
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:39,359
exploration that we want to do

3992
02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:41,120
>> to look into that product.

3993
02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:42,720
>> Mr. Mr. Baldin sense I'm considering

3994
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:45,040
this an addition to the pool report we

3995
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:47,040
already have the community center report

3996
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:48,960
we already have. You want this as an

3997
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:51,840
addendum to it or an addition to it

3998
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,319
>> as an addition because that's what we

3999
02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:58,160
want to see is not just the expansion of

4000
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:00,479
what we were given in that report. the

4001
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,240
framework that we were given was not

4002
02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:03,920
enough to include this type of

4003
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,479
investigation and to have those pieces

4004
02:36:06,479 --> 02:36:09,040
to investigate I think will be to

4005
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:11,359
benefit not just to the department but

4006
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:13,200
to the citizens of this community.

4007
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:15,920
>> Yeah. So what I just suggested that's

4008
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:17,280
what you're thinking too. Okay.

4009
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,280
Councelor Clark you had a question.

4010
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:21,680
>> Thanks. Yeah, Mike, you have raised the

4011
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,880
my issue was the looking at not just

4012
02:36:24,880 --> 02:36:26,800
Oxbridge, but I'm sure the company has

4013
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:29,600
dealt with other other municipalities in

4014
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,479
Ontario with our weather and our u

4015
02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:34,319
similar factors and so I'd like to hear

4016
02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:37,680
from some of those as well. Thank you.

4017
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:38,960
>> Go ahead.

4018
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:39,920
>> I do [clears throat] understand that

4019
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,439
there are two other municipalities that

4020
02:36:41,439 --> 02:36:43,600
are currently doing the same Oxford

4021
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,600
project as part of theirs and they're

4022
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,080
very quick and they are also almost to

4023
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,319
completion as well. Yeah, but but again,

4024
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:52,080
as I suggested, I'm not looking for one

4025
02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:54,240
that's happening right now, brand new.

4026
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:55,920
I'd like to know what it looks like 10

4027
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:57,600
years down the road or 15 years down the

4028
02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:58,960
road because I understand what they're

4029
02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:02,800
saying to us. So, let's uh let's let uh

4030
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:04,960
you have a fairly good indication of the

4031
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:07,040
direction you're being given if this

4032
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:09,840
motion was to pass. Okay. Further

4033
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:13,920
questions or comments on the motion?

4034
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:16,960
Seeing none, all those in favor?

4035
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:20,800
Passes. carries. Great. Did Did I'm

4036
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:23,280
sorry, Lori. Sorry. [snorts] Councelor

4037
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:25,600
Baldwin says, did we have a a kind of

4038
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:28,800
requested back date in your motion

4039
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:32,800
as soon as possible or by certain dates?

4040
02:37:32,800 --> 02:37:34,800
>> I believe that would be up to staff, but

4041
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:36,640
we would want to see it during this term

4042
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:37,439
of council.

4043
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:42,389
>> Yep. Okay. Perfect.

4044
02:37:42,399 --> 02:37:43,920
» Thanks, your worship. At this time,

4045
02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,200
there is a need to go into close

4046
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:47,040
session. I have a motion that this

4047
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:48,720
meeting be closed to deal with proposed

4048
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:50,960
or pending acquisition of land queso

4049
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:52,800
corridor. A proposed or pending

4050
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:54,800
disposition of land, sale of land,

4051
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:56,960
Yarmouth Yards. A position, plan,

4052
02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:58,640
procedure, criteria, or instruction to

4053
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:00,319
be applied to any negotiations carried

4054
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:02,319
on or to be carried on by or on behalf

4055
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:04,720
of the municipality, municipal facility

4056
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:06,640
planning, and a trade secret or

4057
02:38:06,640 --> 02:38:08,479
scientific, technical, commercial,

4058
02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:09,840
financial, or labor relations

4059
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:11,840
information supplied in confidence to

4060
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:13,680
the municipality or local board, which

4061
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:15,120
if disclosed could reasonably be

4062
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,600
expected to prejudice significantly the

4063
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:19,200
competitive position or interfere

4064
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:21,359
significantly with the contractual or

4065
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:23,200
other negotiations of a person, group of

4066
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:25,280
persons, or organization relating to

4067
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:31,120
Southwestern Public Health at 7:38 p.m.

4068
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:34,560
>> Questions or comments? Um, no, we need a

4069
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:36,319
>> Sorry, I get a mover. Move by move by

4070
02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:38,399
councelor Herbert, seconded by councelor

4071
02:38:38,399 --> 02:38:39,359
Riml.

4072
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:41,520
>> Okay, for all of you here before I call

4073
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:43,359
the vote, I'll let you know we're going

4074
02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:46,000
to go into close session. when we rise

4075
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:47,760
from close session to come back, we'll

4076
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:49,600
vote on

4077
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,680
um certainly the bylaws from today's

4078
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:53,920
meeting and anything that might come out

4079
02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:56,319
of the close session meeting. So, I want

4080
02:38:56,319 --> 02:38:57,920
to thank all of those that joined us

4081
02:38:57,920 --> 02:38:59,920
tonight in the gallery and for all of

4082
02:38:59,920 --> 02:39:02,720
you following us at home uh for a fairly

4083
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:05,120
long, but it's a one one month meeting

4084
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:08,160
or one meeting month. So, uh all those

4085
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:10,800
in favor of going to close. Any opposed?

4086
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:14,000
That's carried. See you in a bit.

4087
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:15,520
Uh, at this time I have a motion to rise

4088
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:17,120
from close session. So I have a motion

4089
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:19,200
that council now rise from close session

4090
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:21,200
at

4091
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:23,920
time here sorry 9:08 p.m. And further

4092
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:25,359
that staff proceed as directed on the

4093
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:26,640
close session items dealing with the

4094
02:39:26,640 --> 02:39:28,399
queso corridor sale of land Yarmouth

4095
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:30,240
yards municipal facility planning and

4096
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:32,560
southwestern public health. Moved by

4097
02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:34,640
councelor Herbert.

4098
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:36,960
Seconded by councelor Taylor. Questions

4099
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:40,479
or comments? Seeing none. All in favor?

4100
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:43,040
We're rising.

4101
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:44,399
Thank you worship. We'll now move into

4102
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:45,920
bylaws. I have a motion that lead be

4103
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,399
granted to bring in the bylaws. Moved by

4104
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:50,800
councelor Baldwin Sans.

4105
02:39:50,800 --> 02:39:52,479
Second by councelor Herbert.

4106
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:55,680
>> Questions or comments? Hearing none. All

4107
02:39:55,680 --> 02:39:59,439
in favor? Any opposed? Carried.

4108
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:00,800
>> I have a motion moved by councelor

4109
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:02,640
Bobman, second by councelor Herbert that

4110
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:04,160
the bylaws be now read a first time,

4111
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:05,280
referred to council and committee the

4112
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:07,840
whole and read a second time.

4113
02:40:07,840 --> 02:40:10,160
>> Questions or comments?

4114
02:40:10,160 --> 02:40:13,040
Hearing none. All those in favor? Any

4115
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:16,160
opposed? Carried.

4116
02:40:16,160 --> 02:40:18,000
>> Okay. First bylaw.

4117
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:19,680
>> First by this even this evening is a

4118
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:21,040
ballot to confirm the proceedings of the

4119
02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:22,560
council meeting held on the 10th day of

4120
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:24,160
August 2026.

4121
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:26,479
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4122
02:40:26,479 --> 02:40:30,880
in favor? Next bylaw.

4123
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:32,960
>> Sorry. Second bylaw is a bylaw to

4124
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:34,319
temporarily remove certain lands from

4125
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:36,160
partlock control. This relates to block

4126
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:39,040
38 on registered plan 11m274

4127
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:41,439
of the McGregor farm phase 2A.

4128
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:43,760
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4129
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:46,479
in favor? That's passed. Next by

4130
02:40:46,479 --> 02:40:48,080
>> third bylaw is a bylaw to appoint a

4131
02:40:48,080 --> 02:40:50,240
property standards uh bylaw officer and

4132
02:40:50,240 --> 02:40:52,479
noise control officer. Uh and this

4133
02:40:52,479 --> 02:40:54,319
individual is Shira Wiggins.

4134
02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:56,880
>> Questions or comments?

4135
02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:58,000
>> Yes.

4136
02:40:58,000 --> 02:40:59,920
>> Sorry. Are these full-time positions or

4137
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:04,230
part-time?

4138
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:06,479
two new staff or

4139
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:08,080
>> uh through your worship to council. This

4140
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:09,760
is a full-time property standards

4141
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:12,479
officer position.

4142
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:15,120
>> Any other questions or comments? Seeing

4143
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,680
none, all in favor? That's passed. Next

4144
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:19,200
bylaw.

4145
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,120
>> Next by a bylaw to adopt official plan

4146
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:22,960
amendment number 118 to the city of St.

4147
02:41:22,960 --> 02:41:25,120
Thomas official plan. This is to permit

4148
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:26,960
clinic, business office, and residential

4149
02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:29,680
uses at four Morrison Drive and 358 Elm

4150
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:33,040
Street relating to file number 30226.

4151
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:35,600
Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4152
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:38,160
in favor? That's pass.

4153
02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:40,000
>> Fifth bylaw is a bylaw to amend bylaw

4154
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,000
50-88 being the zoning bylaw for the

4155
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:43,680
city of St. Thomas. This is to permit

4156
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:45,280
clinic, business office, and residential

4157
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:47,600
uses at For Morrison Drive and 358 Elm

4158
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:51,200
Street relating to file number 2-08-26.

4159
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:53,439
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4160
02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:56,160
in favor? That's passed. Next,

4161
02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:57,680
>> six bylaws. a billet authorized the

4162
02:41:57,680 --> 02:41:59,359
submission of an application to Ontario

4163
02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:01,200
Infrastructure and Lands Corporation for

4164
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:03,040
financing of certain capital works of

4165
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:04,240
the corporation of the city of St.

4166
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:06,240
Thomas and authorized the long-term

4167
02:42:06,240 --> 02:42:08,720
borrowing for such capital costs uh

4168
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:10,160
through the issue of debentures to

4169
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:11,760
Ontario Infrastructure and Lands

4170
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:12,800
Corporation.

4171
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:15,280
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4172
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:17,280
in favor? That's passed. Next,

4173
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:18,640
>> the seventh bylaw is a bylaw to

4174
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:19,920
authorize the mayor and clerk to execute

4175
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:21,680
and fix the seal of the corporation to a

4176
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:22,560
certain agreement between the

4177
02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:24,240
corporation of the city of St. Thomas

4178
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:25,840
and the trustees of the Central

4179
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:27,280
Congregation of the United Church of

4180
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:29,200
Canada. This relates to the affordable

4181
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:31,600
housing grant program at 135 Wellington

4182
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:32,240
Street.

4183
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:34,560
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4184
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:37,120
in favor? That's passed. Next.

4185
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:38,479
>> Eighth bylaw is a ballot to authorize

4186
02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:39,840
the mayor and clerk to execute and fix

4187
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:41,359
the seal of the corporation to a certain

4188
02:42:41,359 --> 02:42:42,720
agreement between the corporation of the

4189
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,200
city of St. Thomas and the YW.CA St.

4190
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:46,960
Thomas Elgen. This relates to the

4191
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:49,120
affordable housing grant program for 53

4192
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:50,319
Hayawa Street.

4193
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:52,800
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4194
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,200
in favor? That's passed. Next.

4195
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:56,800
>> Ninth bylaw is a bylaw authorized the

4196
02:42:56,800 --> 02:42:58,240
mayor and clerk to execute and fix the

4197
02:42:58,240 --> 02:42:59,520
seal of the corporation to a certain

4198
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:00,800
agreement between the corporation of the

4199
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:02,720
city of St. Thomas and Eastwood Housing

4200
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,240
Corporation. This relates to the

4201
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:06,160
affordable housing grant program at 200

4202
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:07,280
Burwell Road.

4203
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:09,680
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4204
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:12,560
in favor? That's passed.

4205
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:14,319
>> 10th bylaw is a bylaw to establish the

4206
02:43:14,319 --> 02:43:15,760
St. Thomas Municipal Accessibility

4207
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:17,120
Advisory Committee.

4208
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:19,359
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4209
02:43:19,359 --> 02:43:21,600
in favor? That's passed. Next

4210
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:23,520
>> and the 11th and final bylaw is a bylaw

4211
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:24,960
to authorize the adoption of a council

4212
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:28,000
staff relations policy policy GAO4.

4213
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:30,399
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4214
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:33,840
in favor? That's passed. I rise and

4215
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:35,840
report the successful passing of 11

4216
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:38,560
bylaws.

4217
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:40,000
>> Your worship, I have a motion that the

4218
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:41,200
report of council and committee of the

4219
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:42,479
whole on the following bylaws be

4220
02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:44,160
received and adopted. The same be read a

4221
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:45,840
third time and grow signed by the mayor

4222
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:47,600
and clerk, sealed and numbered. It's

4223
02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:49,120
been moved by councelor Baldwin Sand,

4224
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:51,200
seconded by councelor Herbert.

4225
02:43:51,200 --> 02:43:53,279
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4226
02:43:53,279 --> 02:43:55,200
those in favor? Any opposed? That's

4227
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:56,720
carried.

4228
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:58,240
>> And finally, I have a motion for

4229
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:00,319
adjournment that we do now adjourn at

4230
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:03,359
9:13 p.m. Moved by councelor Kohler,

4231
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seconded by councelor Baldwin Sans.

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>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, all

4233
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those in favor? Any opposed? That's

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carried.