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Wow. [clears throat]

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All righty, Madam Clerk. Are we clear?
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» All righty. Good evening, everybody. We
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we'll begin the evening with a moment of
silence where you can pray, meditate, or

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just enjoy a moment of silence to
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Thank you. If you'll please join me in
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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Uh, thank you.

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» [laughter]

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» All righty, moving into the public
comment portion of our evening. We have

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two people signed up. Uh, first person
sign up is Mr. Joe Black. So, Mr. Black,

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you want to take the stand? I know you
know the drill, but uh, set your name,

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your address, and your three minutes
will begin when the clerk is ready. and

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just be sure to speak clearly into the
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» My name is Joe Black live 340 Howard Gap
Road. Uh we'll speak about the dam under

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the bridge on 25 Can Creek. Um if we
were able to remove that, it may have

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fish migrate up downstream. Um bushes
along 25 special end of hired gap need

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to be trimmed. Uh impedes view of
traffic. Uh I've been to other place

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they got blow bushes or trees on side
road are trimmed way up where you can

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still see cars coming.
Uh parking in the fire lane at the Engle

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store
um can be a problem sometimes people to

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park there for a few minutes they say
and so on. Um and phones while driving

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it's not improving.
Um, do we need to put also ever

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intersection say here's a citation?

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Anyway, that's it for me. Uh,
uh, the mural. Yes, we're coming off the

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mural. I understand. Uh,
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my memory is not very good. Sometimes I
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Well, uh,
>> thank you. It's my list. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Mr. Black.
All righty. Mayor, if you want to later,

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I can give I think I've emailed you an
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» yeah, if you want me to mention under
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» That'd be appropriate.
>> All righty. The next person we got

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signed up is Miss Julia Fogle.
>> So, just set your name, your address,

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and your three minutes will begin when
the truck's ready.

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» Good evening. Uh, my name is Julia
Fogle, and I live at 49 Overton Place.

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Um, and I do indeed my I'm going to read
this to you all just so as you know I

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serve on the planning board but I'm here
tonight speaking strictly as a local

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resident and a commercial property owner
owner and taxpayer on the highway 25

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corridor. Our property was originally
6098 Hendersonville Road and now our

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property address is listed at on the GIS
as Overton Place. There are two entry

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and exit points on Highway 25 from our
property and our property is off

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opposite Blake Street Advanced Auto
Parts and the Seasons at Cane Creek

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Apartment Complex. To give a bit of
history, um more than 8 years ago, I did

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reach out to the NC DOT directly to
request a traffic light. Uh since there

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was traffic concerns even at that time,
our request was denied at that time.

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Today, that evaluation is completely
obsolete. Um, and on our side, we have

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our primary home, a rental house, and
four active commercial RV lots. Thanks

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to you all. Thank you. Opposite us, a
new coffee shop, more apartments opening

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soon, and eventually a planned multi-use
commercial space to be built in the not

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tooistant future, hopefully. Um, and
currently, when exiting Overton Place

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onto Highway 25, we are trapped by
general traffic traveling. It seems

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often well over 45 mph, which does
include large 18-wheelers. At the same

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time, we must compete with heavy cross
traffic emerging from Blake Street, the

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auto parts store, and the existing
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We also deal with drivers who seem to
use the center turn lane as a third

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travel lane just to merge into traffic.
Um, to make this quarter more dangerous,

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the land across the street is actively
changing. While the front multi-use

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commercial space is not broken ground
yet with buildings, it has been graded

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and the newly built apartments appear to
be almost completely done. Um they

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they've recently added a a paved road on
that property and that runs right into

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Highway 25.
Hi. And so as a result, you know, I just

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noticed during a recent storm, all the
water from that road that they've

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recently put there that they've paved,
um it went all into 25. I don't know if

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y'all went through there, but it was it
was a lot of water. Um, so it was um

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it's a lot of storm water that's running
right to Highway 25 in front of the

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coffee shop in the existing apartments.
And you know, I've lived here most of my

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life, grew up in Fletcher, and I've
never seen that much water on Highway 25

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at that time. I know there was a large
rainstorm, but still it usually would

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clear. Um, so I'm just very concerned
about that as well. So, um, basically

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the NC DOT may review Highway 25 as a
regional quarter, but the dynamic

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completely breaks Fletcher's plans for a
walkable town center and a vibrant

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community. We cannot build a safe,
walkable downtown on a high-speed

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commuter raceway. I asked this council
to formally petition NC DOT for an

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updated traffic signal warrant analysis
and a speed zone study to drop this

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quarter to 35 mph which to immediately
conduct a code enforcement investigation

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into the developer storm water
management. Thank you for your time

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consideration.
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» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank [clears throat] you.

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» And we could perhaps talk about that a
little bit later as well. Some valid

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points there. Um, do we have anybody
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Anybody else that wishes to speak in the
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Okay. Hearing and seeing none, we'll
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we'll move on to the approval of
minutes. Uh, council any corrections,

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additions, or deletions to the minutes
presented.

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If not, is there a motion to the uh uh
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» No, I'll make that motion.
>> Okay. A motion to approve the minutes as

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presented. Is there a second?
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» Okay. A motion and a second to approve
the minutes. Any discussion hearing?

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None. All those in favor of approving
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» I.
>> Those opposed. Okay. The motion carries

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and the minutes are approved. Moving on
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any updates.

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All righty. Hearing and seeing none.
Moving on to the consent agenda. Four

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items there. I will remind y'all we have
item number five. Item number six by the

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purchase of a garbage truck and a street
sweeper. Any questions, comments,

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concerns?
All right. We have a motion to approve

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the consent agenda.
Make a motion. There a motion to approve

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the consent agenda. Is there a second?
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approve the consent agenda. Is there any
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor

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of approving the consent agenda. Say I.
>> Those opposed. Okay. The motion carries

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and the consent agenda is approved.
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the public evidentiary hearing for the
special use permit review for focus plus

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academy. Uh we have a screen. Okay. We
will now open the evidentiary hearing

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for the focus plus academy. The
applicant has requested a special use

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permit on the property located at 50
Library Road. The decision we made by

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some majority vote of the board. This
hearing is a quasi judicial evidentiary

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hearing. That means it is like a court
hearing. State laws and specific

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procedures and rules concerning how this
board must make his decision. The

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board's discretion is limited. The board
must base his decision upon competent,

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relevant, and substantial evidence in
the record. The quasi judicial decision

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is not based on public opinion. It must
be made in accordance with the standards

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set forth in the ordinance and grounded
in the evidence presented. If you plan

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to speak as a witness, please limit your
comments to relevant facts and

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applicable standards rather than
personal preferences or opinions.

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Participation is limited. This meeting
is open to the public. Everyone is

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welcome to watch. Parties withstanding
have rights to participate fully.

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Parties may present evidence, call
witnesses, and make legal arguments.

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Parties are limited to the applicant,
the local government, and the

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individuals who can show that they have
that they will suffer special damages.

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Other individuals may serve as witnesses
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General witness testimony is limited to
facts, not opinions. For certain topics,

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this board needs to hear opinion
testimony from expert witnesses. These

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topics include projections about impacts
on the property values and projections

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about impacts of increased traffic.
Individuals providing expert opinion

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must be qualified as experts to provide
factual evidence upon which they base

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their expert opinion. Witnesses must
swear or affirm their testimony. And at

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this time, we will administer an oath
for all individuals who intend to

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provide witness testimony. So, anybody
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Tyler,
anybody else that's going to speak?

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Good. All right. Right hand.
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the

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evidence you shall give to the board and
this action shall be truth, the whole

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truth, and nothing but the truth?
Welcome.

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All right. Thank you.

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All righty. The parties to this case are
entitled to our impartial board. A board

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member may not participate in this
hearing if he if she or he has fixed has

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a fixed opinion about the matter, a
financial interest in the outcome of the

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matter or a close relationship with an
affected person. Does any board member

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have any partiality disclose or refusal
to offer? None. Okay.

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The parts of this case have rights for
any exparte communication to be

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disclosed. Exparte communication is any
communication about the case outside the

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hearing. That may include site visits as
well as conversations with parties,

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staff, or the general public. Does any
board member have any site visits to

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disclose?
No. Okay. Does any board member have any

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conversation or other communications to
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No.
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from the board concerning the partiality
or exparte communications, does any

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board member Does any member of the
board or any party to this matter have

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an objection to our board members
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Okay.
Then the planning is only director Tom

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will introduce this hearing. Before you
start, please confirm that you were

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sworn at the start of the hearing. Mr.
Tyler was sworn and if not we'll

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administer this vote now. Tyler was
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» Thank you Tyler.

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You got it. There's a new monitor for
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You got it. Yeah, you got it. Thanks.

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we go.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Uh members of
town council, I would like to formally

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submit my staff report and my
presentation into the official record.

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Uh the town has received an application
for a special use P permit from the

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Focus Plus Academy.
Subject property is located at 50

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Library Road and is an existing uh
church. It's the Fletcher uh or United

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Methodist Church. Uh the 3.9 acre
property is on C1 General Commercial.

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The applicant proposes to operate uh
Focus Plus Academy within two existing

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classrooms as a small middle and high
school with a maximum enrollment of 25

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students. No exterior changes to the
building, parking or site are proposed.

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Uh as the mayor mentioned, this is a
quasi judicial review. The decision must

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be based on competent evidence presented
during the hearing and the standards

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established in the land development code
including compatibility, traffic, uh,

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parking, utilities, public safety, and
impact on the surrounding properties.

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Uh, the property and the surrounding
commercial corridor are all zoned C1.

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Uh, residential zoning is located
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Uh the site is also part of an
established civic area that includes the

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church, uh Fletcher Library, Kate and
Peaks Park. Uh schools are an allowed

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special use in C1. So therefore, no
reszoning is required.

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Uh the top left image shows the existing
interest um on the west side of the

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building that will be utilized by the
proposed school. Uh the top right image

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shows the rear parking area that will be
utilized by teachers, parents, and

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visitors associated with the proposed
school. Uh the bottom left image shows

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the existing uh park located adjacent to
the church providing a nearby

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recreational or open space amenity um if
needed by the school. And then lastly,

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the bottom right image shows the
existing signalized intersection that

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will serve as the primary access point
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So moving moving into the plan and the
site plan um provided for this project.

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The school will occupy approximately 700
square ft of existing classroom space

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within the um church. No additions,
grading, new impervious services or

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infrastructure improvements are
proposed. Student drop off and pickup

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will separate um we'll have a separate
circulation pattern from the preschool

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with staggered schedules to minimize
conflict conflicts. uh 15 parking spaces

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are allocated to the school exceeding
the minimum requirement of just two

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spaces. A traffic impact analysis is not
required because the project is not

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expected to is is only expected to
generate about 60 daily trips. School

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hours be Monday through Friday 8:15 to
3:45 with an early demiss dismissal at

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1:45 on Fridays.

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Uh the proposal supports the land use
plans um goal of expanding local

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educational opportunities while making
efficient use of an existing community

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facility.
Um although the property is within the

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town center business designation of the
heart of Fletcher. Um Heart of Fletcher

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design review is not required because
there are no exterior improvements,

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additions or substantial renovations
proposed with this project.

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Uh lastly, the planning board reviewed
the special use permit request at their

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July 21st regular meeting and voted 8 to
nothing to recommend approval of the

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special use permit.
I'm happy to answer any questions you

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all may have. And Jill Patterson with
Folks Plus Academy is also here and I

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believe she has a presentation to
provide y'all as well.

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Do we have any questions for Tyler
>> here in CO? Thank you, sir.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. We will now welcome the

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applicant to come up and present
evidence in support of the request. As a

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reminder, evidence and arguments must
focus upon the applicable standards. And

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then just before you begin, just state
your name and your address for the

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record and your relation to the case.

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I did this.
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» Yeah, take your time. You're you're all
good.

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» Yeah, no worries. I'm Jill Patterson. My
address is 1025 Brush Creek Road in Fair

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View

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and my IT department will get us online
here shortly. [laughter] Thank you for

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your patience. I appreciate it.
>> And then what's your relation to the to

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the case? So, I'm myself and my husband
Steve Patterson were the founders of

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Focus Plus Academy.
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» Thank you.
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do this way.

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» Hang on. I don't know why it's in.
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All right. Like I said earlier, I'm Jill
Patterson. my husband Steve Patterson

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with the founders of Focus Plus Academy.
And first I just want to say thank you

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very much for allowing us to be here
tonight, share a little information

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about the school, share some information
about our permit application, and answer

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any questions that you might have. So,
first I'd like to start with a little

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information about the school.
We are creating this school for students

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like our son and other students like him
who struggled in traditional classroom

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settings.
These are students that typically find

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success and feel confident when the
school's built for them and set up to

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support them. Specifically,
the kind of students that we're going to

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be serving, they're bright and they're
capable.

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Many of them have ADHD, executive
functioning challenges, or autism.

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And what this looks like in a classroom
are the kids who struggle to get

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started. They struggle with
organization, managing their time,

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completing their work. When they get
their work done, sometimes they just

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can't even get it turned in. It's just
hard.

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Some key details about our school. We
plan to be a low studentto staff ratio,

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five students to every one staff.

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When we launch in August, we plan to
open for grades 6 through 9. And then

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we're going to thoughtfully and
intentionally grow to grades 6 through

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12.
And on day one when we open, we're

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already approved by the state to accept
the North Carolina scholarship funds for

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both the opportunity scholarship, which
is the scholarship for financial need,

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and the ESA plus, which is based on
disability. We can accept those funds

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from day one, which if you're not
familiar with those, those scholarship

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funds when they're awarded to families,
it helps them pay for private school

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tuition and other services. So if if
families have been awarded those, in

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some cases either their tuition can be
completely paid in full by those

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scholarship funds or significantly
reduced. So that just opens up our

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school to that many more families and
makes it available and accessible to

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families who really need it.
How we plan to support students for

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success. Our school is designed to be a
strength-based approach school. Our

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teachers will be trained in positive
teaching techniques and that's across

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the board. They'll all be certified in
the same techniques so that no matter

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which classroom the students in, they
all hear the same language and they're

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worked with in the same way.
Supports built into their school day.

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Core academics are aligned with the
North Carolina grade level standards.

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Executive functioning skills are taught
and practiced and not just expected. And

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life skills will be part of our
curriculum.

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how we plan to be compatible and low
impact with the community.

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We're going to have a maximum plan size
at this location of 25 students and up

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to six staff. If enrollment, if people
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that, we're going to cap at this
location. So, we won't go over that.

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We'll be utilizing approximately 700
square ft of existing space in the

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church. We're not anticipating any
adverse noise, glare, odor, or other

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negative impacts on the surrounding
properties.

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We've completed our boat, both the fire
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We're projected to have low traffic
volume and we've scheduled our drop off

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and pickup times to avoid overlap with
Sunshine Preschool. So, there'll be a

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full 15 minutes between ours ending and
their starting for any kind of pickup or

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drop off minimum.
If you look at our site plan for that we

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um submitted with our application,
our circulation plan will completely

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avoid anything that Sunshine Preschool
is planning to use. So on the map here,

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Sunshine Preschool is operating in the
front of the church and it's in red and

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they use that front circular drive for
any kind of circulation that they use

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for pickup and drop off. We're proposing
to to use the back of the church. So,

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our traffic will go all the way around
to the back to drop off and pick up

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there and then come back out. So, it
completely avoids that area.

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And we want to take a minute to go
through the requirements for the nine

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special use permit criteria.
If you look at the ingress and the

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egress, we're planning to use the
existing driveway and the signal at the

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intersection. Traffic's limited and
scheduled and our operating times are

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staggered with the preschool for parking
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The 15 parking places that are available
to us in the back completely exceed what

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we need at this location given the
amount of students we plan to have there

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ever.
Utilities. We're using existing

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utilities, existing buffering. We're not
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We're using existing spaces,
landscaping, and accessways. So, the

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outside recess time is going to be on
church property.

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Buildings and structure. We're not
proposing any changes. Our hours of

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operation are weekday daytime operations
and we've submitted our required site

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plan.
So, Focus Plus Academy feels that this

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is consistent with the current Fletcher
land use plan. And if you look at the

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first goal of that being providing the
citizens of Fletcher with a quality

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environment for living, leisure,
activities, and work, you can see that

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through the fact that we're bringing in
local jobs. will create jobs and

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employment as enrollment grows.
It's a new educational option for the

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families of the community. We're
accessible to as many families as

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possible by already being approved for
the state scholarship program and being

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able to accept those funds. And this is
an efficient reuse of space, making

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productive use of existing classroom
space with no new infrastructure.

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Also, we're not anticipating any adverse
impact on the community. You can see

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that there are limited size
utilizing in existing infrastructure

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staggering our operations with the
preschool completing our inspections, no

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exterior site changes. And based on
these factors, we feel like the proposed

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use is not expected to adversely affect
nearby residents, employees, public

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welfare, surrounding properties or
public improvements. So given that we

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feel that our why this makes sense is
that our proposal combines a needed

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community resource with smallcale
operating plan that's compatible with

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the property and the surrounding areas.
So with that we respectfully request

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that the city council approve our
special use permit. We thank you for

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your time and we're happy to answer any
questions.

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» Sounds good. Do we have any questions?
>> Very thorough.

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» Yeah. Well done. Thank you. Thank you.
>> All right. Does anybody else have any

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additional questions for the the
witness? Any party withstanding?

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Do you all want to call anybody else to
speak on your behalf? I'm assuming no.

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All righty.

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Does the board have any more questions
for the parties or the witnesses before

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we move into deliberation?
No. Good. All right. Does any board

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member have personal knowledge of
additional facts relevant to the case

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that should be entered into the record?
No. All right. Hearing no additional

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questions or presentation of relevant
facts, the board will now begin

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deliberation. The evidentiary hearing
remains open. So the board may ask

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clarifying questions if needed. As a
reminder, this board is tasked with

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deciding if based on the evidence
presented, this this proposal meets the

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applicable standards. This decision
cannot be based on the personal

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preference of board members rather is
based on standards and evidence and

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board members are encouraged to
reference the applicable standards and

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specific evidence in a deliberation. For
this particular case, the board is asked

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to decide does the record include
competent, relevant and substantial

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evidence that the development is
consistent with article 15.10

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and that all nine required criteria for
the issuance of the special use per

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permit. All right. Now we need to make a
motion to vote and board members just be

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sure to use the suggested motion for
approval or denial of suggested

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approval. Um that part of you written by
staff. Okay. I make a motion. I move

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town council approve the special use
permit association with the

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petition finding that the proposed
development is consistent with article

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15.10 10 to all nine or all nine
required uh criterias for the issuance

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of a special use permit has been met. Uh
the development shall be constructed in

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accordance with the approved site plan.
Okay, we have a motion for approval. Is

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there a second?
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» Okay. Motion and approve. A motion and
second for approval. Is there any

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discussion hearing? None. All in favor
of approval say I.

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» I.
>> Those opposed. Okay. The motion is

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carried and staff will draft and I will
sign a final written decision to reflect

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the vote and reason for his decision.
That written decision will be provided

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to the applicant and other parties with
a right to such notice. Parties have 30

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days to approve this decision. Approved.
Congratulations.

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All righty. Then moving on to discussion
item number eight, the report on

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performance measures. I know we went
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» a very high high level.
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uh progress on our 6 months of activity
under established uh performance

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measures and this is something that was
established about a year and a half ago

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and it been some time since we had an
update on it. So I wanted to uh

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basically went through summary data from
all departments and you know unless you

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have any other questions on it. I I know
there was a couple follow-up things. Um

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I think on one of the performance
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fleet being completed, repairs on fleet
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um
and that was back on uh 90% of the fleet

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repairs being completed within 3 days of
work orders submitted. We've had no

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problem achieving that. You see it was
99%. I did have a conversation with our

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um public works director and it's we
feel still an attainable goal at this

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time or does not put an undue hardship
on them u meeting that and if that

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changes you know we'll let you know and
these will continue to be things that

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are um updated u and revised and again
the whole point of this is just to stay

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on task to um maintain a high standard
of performance in these services um that

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that our departments provide uh to the
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um and I think that was it
any highle comments any questions

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comments very well done
>> thank you yeah and I I commend them uh

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again back to some of the comments I
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maintain a high standard of service and
this is just to kind of um stay on task

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but also demonstrate um uh some of the
things that are happening in an

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efficient you know effective way. So and
we'll continue to monitor this and

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revise it as needed and also feedback
from you all and the public.

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» All right, sounds good. Oh, well done
everybody on that. Uh, moving in to our

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final discussion item, the update on the
Kang Creek Greenway extension project.

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Okay. So, last week I went over the uh
revised timeline that Miguel Associates

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had provided and again uh we're going to
be extending the greenway trail um

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leaving the park going west
uh coming across the Fernle Leaf

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property and then going um under uh the
Highway 25 bridge and coming up around

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and then continuing west along the Cane
Creek. So on the that south side of the

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Cane Creek, um they've completed the
concept on this. We're a little bit

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behind on some of the milestones to get
this get through environmental review

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and design and then ultimately get this
to bid. We've got the funding sources in

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place. Um but in order to do those
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finalize some of the um either easement
or property. And just just a quick

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update on that, we're we think we're
pretty close with the uh we're trying to

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work on an acquisition piece with the
Charlie Owen property. It's titled this

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Sorco property. So that's the the one
right before the section of land that

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the town owns there across from Cumins.
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the uh I just sent back the final
version. We had a whole bunch of

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comments suggestions from our
engineering firm on it, but it's it's a

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little less than 3 acres of land. It
will um keep an easement on there so

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that Mr. growing can get access to that
for as long as he farms the rest of the

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property there um that that is being
farmed. Some of it's in a kind of

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industrial use at that south end of it.
Um so we're hoping we're very close on

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that. We we got to get that finalized
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And so that's what's holding this up a
little bit. It just takes time going

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back and forth negotiating on this. But
we think we're we're pretty close. I'm

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hoping in next if he's fine with that
and there's no other changes maybe in

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next month coming back with some type of
action about acquiring um that track

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that we need. Uh and then on the um
Fernley side um talked to the

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administrator Mr. up low and they seem
comfortable with it as it's surveyed

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right now and we'll be seeking an
easement across there. Um, this first

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part of the project just uses that
section across Fernle Leaf as a bid

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alternate. So, if our bids come in good,
we have about an 800,000 budget right

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now. We'll try and do that section, but
that may be done at a later time. We'll

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be getting that center section on the
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completed if bids come in fine all that.
Um, and then on the schedule it once we

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finalize that, we're looking to get the
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later than October
um final design by into the March

426
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:54,079
realistically, excuse me, realistically
probably into the November, December to

427
00:35:50,800 --> 00:36:04,160
finalize design, get that ready to be
let for bid end of the year, first of of

428
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:11,119
um of 2027 or January have that um bid
out and then if you're comfortable with

429
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:16,079
the final lowest responsible bid um we
would move forward somewhere in the

430
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:22,560
February March hopefully starting work
on it and it shouldn't take a terribly

431
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:28,480
long uh period of time to do it. It's
fairly straightforward forward work of

432
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:34,320
just establishing the trail and base.
There's no paving. This is a soft trail

433
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:39,839
at this point or gravel. And then the
goal is to come back and ultimately with

434
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:43,520
additional paving pave the whole area.
So So that's that's kind of where we're

435
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,160
at. I don't know if there's any
questions about it.

436
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:51,119
» We have any questions for more comments?
Sure.

437
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,880
» Well, thank y'all for for working on
that and especially with such

438
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,000
emergencies grant monies and you said
we're safe with that. So,

439
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,800
» and and we'd like to we're trying to
move this along as quickly as possible.

440
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:08,079
I I know that the timeline I submitted
to y'all previously. We're we're behind

441
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:11,599
on that and you know this is a suggested
timeline

442
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:17,200
» by our engineer that's probably
realistic. Um, but anything we can do to

443
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,680
accelerate or condense that down, we're
trying to

444
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,119
» move that forward cuz longer it takes,
nothing gets cheaper

445
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:27,760
to business.
>> Well, excellent work by y'all. So, we

446
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,480
appreciate it.
>> Thank you.

447
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:35,599
» All right, moving on to your town
manager report.

448
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:41,359
» Okay. Um, I mentioned last week on the
Town Center project,

449
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:47,599
uh, with Lewis Real Estate Group, um,
they want to engage a a land planner to

450
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:53,839
rea re-evaluate the site. They've
started that process. They're work, um,

451
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:58,960
they're working on getting a quote and
then a budget and timeline for that. And

452
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:04,320
we'll come back and present that to
staff. And then at that point, we would

453
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:10,079
be talking to you all about it if you're
comfortable. Probably have them present

454
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:13,680
to you. Um because if you do, if you
move forward with that, we've got some

455
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:19,839
other interests I'll talk about in a
second here as well. Um, we'd probably

456
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:25,440
have to do some type of at least formal
engagement with them since they'd be

457
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:31,599
expending a fair amount of money to
basically update the uses and market,

458
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:37,520
you know, likelihood for for the
different things we'd like to see done

459
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:42,320
on the property. Um, so they said in the
next two weeks they have that together.

460
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:47,520
So, we'll review review review at the
staff level and then get that to you as

461
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,480
as soon as we can.
So, I don't know if there's any

462
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:59,040
questions on that. And then we we've got
a couple other entities um evaluating

463
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:05,760
the site that I've mentioned. Um we're
meeting with one Wednesday that wants to

464
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:11,440
talk about a potential site plan. Uh and
then another group um that's they

465
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:16,240
haven't set up the meeting but they're
and it's one that's got a like an anchor

466
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:21,599
large anchor tenant but they they're
trying to site plan all of our property.

467
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:28,079
Remember it's 49 acres that we that's
including the tract on Highway 25. So

468
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:35,599
those are out there and we want to give
them the shot to compete on this as you

469
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:40,160
know we feel comfortable with concept
and what they may need from the town and

470
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:47,680
what they think they can do on the
property. So um we'll keep these moving

471
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:49,520
forward to you for your evaluation.
>> Sounds good. Thank y'all for work on

472
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,880
that.
>> Yeah. Yep.

473
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:58,320
Um and then uh I was last week I
mentioned something about the library

474
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:03,760
project and our efforts to you know
re-engage with the county on it. Um

475
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:09,599
again we're trying to work closely with
them for a joint project to get this

476
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:13,839
built on the town center property. Uh
they have I've talked to you about a

477
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:18,960
memorandum of understanding that they're
working on. I'm waiting for that back

478
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:25,440
from them. It it is in process.
Um, I'm anticipating receiving that any

479
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:32,240
time. They also have sent out a request
for qualifications for an architect for

480
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:36,560
the project and uh later this week I'll
be meeting at a meeting where they'll be

481
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:42,079
evaluating proposals that have been
submitted. So, that's in process. That's

482
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:47,359
good. We're making some progress there
and um I'll keep you updated on that.

483
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:55,119
Um,
I know I mentioned last week a a traffic

484
00:40:50,240 --> 00:41:01,200
safety improvement issue. Um, the uh
intersection there where Old Airport

485
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:08,319
Road comes into 25 and the left turn
movement into the Engles parking lot.

486
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Um, in the past we've had a lot of
accidents there when it was just the

487
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:16,480
flashing yellow. I don't know if we had
any solid green movement. I think there

488
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:22,720
was some some parts of the day a couple
years ago sent him a bunch DOT a bunch

489
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:28,640
of traffic data on that accident data to
the police department put together

490
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:36,800
um that helped to give at least a
dedicated block of time where it was um

491
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:42,240
use the incorrect traffic term for it
but like a dedicated

492
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:50,000
» um movement there solid green arrow as
we would know But um that's helped but

493
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:57,280
it's still as as we all know a difficult
intersection to navigate and at times

494
00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:02,400
dangerous. So um we've re approached
them again the traffic engineer there.

495
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:07,680
They had asked for any more traffic
accident data. Um police department has

496
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:13,760
put that together and sending that to
them or have sent that to them. um and

497
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:19,680
you know waiting for their evaluation. I
mean our preference for just public

498
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:24,000
safety reasons would be to have that as
you know dedicated

499
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,880
» solid green. I mean there may be parts
like late at night. Sure.

500
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,760
» You know really early in the morning
where it's safe with the flashing yellow

501
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,480
but
>> there's quite a few other times it's

502
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:39,200
just
>> the line of sight issues are are tough

503
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:42,720
to navigate there and the speeds. So,
um, so that's what's going on with that.

504
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:51,520
And we just I know the police had just
put that together. Um, and let's see,

505
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:58,160
couple other things. The, um, y'all
approved the, um, stream bank repair

506
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:03,599
monies to try and fix that section that
runs really close to our greenway there

507
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:07,680
at the park. Um, the contractor has
mobilized the site. If you've been in

508
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:14,800
the park just recently, you can see all
the rock that's there and they've fenced

509
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:19,839
off the area. They had a um I wasn't at
the meeting, but some of our staff was

510
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,520
there last week um for like a
pre-construction. They think once they

511
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,960
get in there and start it, which I
thought it was going to be this maybe

512
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:33,200
the rains thrown it off and the water
levels, but um about a week roughly to

513
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:38,560
get that done. So, um, looking forward
to getting that complete.

514
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:42,160
Um, and then I didn't have this on the
list, but in light of some of the

515
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:48,079
comments, I'll just mention on the mural
project. I think I emailed you all about

516
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:53,760
this, but I talked to Karen E. Bane with
Steep, the agency that's taking the lead

517
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:59,599
on facilitating this.
Um, she's had some communication with

518
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:05,440
the land owner of uh the feed and seed
building.

519
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:11,040
um initially interest on it there. Um he
does have some concerns about potential

520
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:19,200
damage to the building
uh if you you know attach even a vinyl

521
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:26,480
um mural to it. So she's trying to um
have a expert or someone she's used with

522
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:32,000
brick and mortar to basically try and
ensure that it can be done in a way not

523
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:39,599
to damage the building and and preserve
that. Um so she's trying to facilitate a

524
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:46,160
meeting about that. Um and also just
talking to anyone that you know can

525
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:51,760
garner support for this. So that is in
process with some communications with

526
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:58,160
the land owner. Um and then the other
site the by the foam and fabric. Um

527
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:05,200
Karen has talked to the property owner.
They're out of town. Um they had some

528
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:11,599
interest but they wanted her to talk to
the owner or operator of the phone in

529
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:16,160
fabric building itself or the business.
and she's in the process of

530
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:23,440
communicating with them or trying to
meet with them to um pitch the project.

531
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:29,920
Um it it it is I don't know if you all
remember it does encroach um public

532
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:35,520
works was able to verify that that wall
is at least part of it in DOT right

533
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:41,680
away. There is a way to get that done.
initially were no, but you can appeal

534
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:46,319
that up the chain of command there. She
had uh Karen's dealt with that with

535
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:52,480
another project with DOT and was able to
get that through and I I just offered

536
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:58,880
any way the town can help and um
submitting that up through DOT that we

537
00:45:55,839 --> 00:46:03,680
would do that. Um so that's kind of
where we're at. Um

538
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:08,160
again, anyone you know knows our
property owner there at the feed and

539
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:11,040
seed that um can speak to the merits of
considering this is helpful.

540
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,240
» Yeah.
>> Um so same thing over at the phone

541
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:20,319
fabric. That's that's their biggest
challenge in getting these things done

542
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,160
and off the ground is
>> making sure the property owner is

543
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:30,079
comfortable with it and they feel you
know that their property is not damaged

544
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:35,839
at all or enhanced too. I mean it it
will be should be a nice you know

545
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:39,599
aesthetic focal point type of thing.
>> Yeah.

546
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:44,000
» And perhaps in the event that neither of
those locations work out we might ought

547
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:47,599
to just have some other there's not a
lot of other locations.

548
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:51,599
» Not a lot. We had one I had someone
suggest one the other day that maybe it

549
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:55,680
might be a possibility.
>> Okay. Yeah. Maybe just keep that back of

550
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:02,079
them on in case
>> or we put up a new building.

551
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:05,359
» Yeah. building a mural building. Um,
>> but yeah, that's kind of where we are.

552
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:09,119
» Okay.
>> What questions do we have for Mark?

553
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,200
» I appreciate your work.
>> Yeah, thank you.

554
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:18,160
» I, you know, kudos to Karen Karen E Bane
is working hard on this. So, and I

555
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,800
appreciate her follow I I had on my list
to contact her and she called me first

556
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:27,200
last week.
And then I'll just ask you in in

557
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:31,520
reference to what Miss Balo brought up.
I I didn't see any I didn't drive over

558
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,079
there so I missed a runoff or whatever
it could be. But that very well could be

559
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,520
the case. But I do know some years ago
we did try to reduce the speed limit

560
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:44,400
coming through here, didn't we?
>> We did.

561
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:50,560
» I bring that up again with DOT. Uh it it
and it you know it was in support of our

562
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:57,040
town center efforts and we did all the
uh streetscape or highway highway 25

563
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:02,800
corridor lighting and redoing the
sidewalks and brick and bringing the

564
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:06,720
lanes in. Um and we asked at that time
to consider

565
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:12,400
uh lowering the speed limit. We were
kind of put off by DOT and I

566
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:15,760
understandably with I26 all opening up.
>> Yeah.

567
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,599
» Um so maybe they're in a place to be
considering this again. So that's Yeah,

568
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,480
I know. One of the things and I know
there was storm water runoff. We can

569
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,200
bring that
>> Yeah.

570
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,960
» to all the things that were brought up
though are do D do D do D do D do D do D

571
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:32,319
do D do D do D do D do jurisdictional
>> it might be worthwhile to bring up some

572
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:37,440
of those items. How does everybody feel
about the speed limit piece? Do we have

573
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:42,240
strong feelings about that?
I I would be okay with a 35 justific.

574
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,240
» Yeah. For this section, just thinking
about our town center project, I mean,

575
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:50,160
it it's going to happen eventually. They
want to be safe as possible. So, I'm not

576
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,200
opposed to making that.
>> Yeah. I I think when I approached him

577
00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:02,000
years ago about it, like trying to go
down to 35.

578
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:06,160
» Yeah. Um, and I know it it's a bit of a
hardship or pain for, you know,

579
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,079
commuters coming through here, but you
know, we're going to do this and do it

580
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:13,119
try and do it as safely as possible,
encourage

581
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:17,280
» a higher level of comfort. Of course, if
there's additional improvements done on

582
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,920
25 that
>> make that safer, like rounded bouts,

583
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:28,960
things like that,
>> um, that helps. But no, we we've I I

584
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:33,040
requested that of them several years
back.

585
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:38,480
» Sure. Um and then the last piece on that
was there any traffic study done when

586
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,559
the new apartments and the pending
commercial piece on the front of the

587
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:46,880
property?
>> I don't know. I we can check with DOT,

588
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:53,200
but I if it was required, it would be
done. Yeah, it's based on the number of

589
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,119
trips that are generated to the site.
And I know it's an estimate.

590
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:01,920
» Sure.
>> Um once it goes over that threshold,

591
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:07,280
then DOT requires a traffic impact
analysis to be done. So I don't they

592
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:11,680
might had to do one for the apartment
building.

593
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:16,079
» Okay. Um at this point
probably not for the we have the cough

594
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,480
the
>> yeah

595
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,359
coffee but
>> I mean I know the rest there's a lot of

596
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:29,119
other mixed use in there then that can
trigger it but the one by itself

597
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,000
probably I mean I I doubt it. I'm
looking at Tyler, but I I would Yeah.

598
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,599
» Yeah,
>> I would doubt it.

599
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,960
» The trigger is normally like 3500 trips.
>> Okay. So, there's near an interchange,

600
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:48,160
that's a trigger. If it's 3,500 trips or
more, that's a trigger. And also, if um

601
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:53,280
you're near a stiff project, a bridge,
that's also a trigger that would not be

602
00:50:50,800 --> 00:51:00,720
close enough
to trigger a tone for that size.

603
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,960
» Okay. And even and I may be misspeaking
on this, but even apartment complexes

604
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:10,240
don't
>> it's not constant. I mean, you'll have

605
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:15,839
some peak periods of, you know, like
rush hour

606
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:19,280
» not as much as kind of the
>> conjures up some of the comments out

607
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,480
there. So,
>> sure.

608
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,720
» All right.
>> I agree if we acquire about the 35 mph.

609
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,920
» Yeah, I think we can at least inquire
about that. Just give me a couple more

610
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,345
seconds to dash out in front of
somebody.

611
00:51:30,325 --> 00:51:32,345
[laughter]

612
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,839
» All righty. Any other questions,
comments?

613
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:41,200
» All right. Any other business from
council? All right. Do we have a motion

614
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,880
to adjurnn?
>> Motion.

615
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,240
» Okay. Motion to adjurnn. Is there a
second?

616
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,760
» Second.
>> Okay. Motion a second to adjourn. Any

617
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,480
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor
for journey say I. I. Those opposed.