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Our tonight's planning and economic development board meeting here at the medway middle school

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school committee room. It's Tuesday, August 11, 2026. The meeting is being recorded by medway

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cable access. There are no members participating remotely. Everybody's here.

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Are there any

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agenda. All right, hearing none. We'll move to our first public hearing, which is scheduled

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for 7 PM. It's zero R and 12 Waterview Drive. It is continued from July 14th, 2026. This

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is an application of a site plan review for exempt uses. The applicant has asked for a

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to August 25th, 2026 at 7 p.m. at here at the middle school, middle school, is there

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the motion to continue?

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The move.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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We've got a second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Okay.

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This is continued from June 23rd, 2026.

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This is an application for modification of a previously approved definitive subdivision plan,

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which proposes the construction of a new way in creation of three billable lots.

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The applicant has submitted a request to extend the deadline for the board to take final action

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to November 2nd, 2026. Is there a motion to grant an extension of the deadline for the final

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action to November 2nd, 2026?

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Yes.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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We got a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none? All those in favour? Please say aye.

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The applicant has also requested to continue the public hearing to September 8. Is there a motion

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to continue the public hearing to September 8th, 2026 at 7 p.m. at the middle school.

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They'll move.

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We've got a second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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All those in favor.

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Please say hi.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Okay.

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49 all district.

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This is an application from East Hill Associates LLC for property located at 49 all

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state, the assessor parcel number 63-005 in the West Industrial Park Zoning District to modify

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a previously approved site plan involving major site plan review to expand an existing

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storage yard.

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Good evening.

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Good.

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You want to give us an overview?

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Sure.

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Jeremy, would you be able to bring up sheet C1, please, the overall site layout?

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My name is David Feist, I'm the Project Civil Engineer with CMG.

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We're here tonight with Keith Lawrence of East Hill Associates, also Lawrence Waste Services.

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As you remember recently, we developed a property next to our 39-alters street.

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With that, again, there's sort of a victim of their own success.

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And they want to explore the option of expanding their existing 49-alters street property

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at an additional about 36,000 plus or minus square feet of outdoor storage area.

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Properties permitted back in 2012 and 2014 originally, and the property they've been operating

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there since then.

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What we're proposed would they like to explore, we're also working with conservation, given

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the area we're proposing to expand into, they didn't go after before, because there's

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a riverfront in buffer zones and wetlands in the back of the property.

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So, as you look at the plan view, there are two areas, a dark gray in the center of the property.

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It comes back up.

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Is an area that's of existing gravel that has been there, has existing drainage associated with it.

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There's approved and installed back in 2014.

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They'd like to pave that area just because it takes a little bit of a beating over the years.

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And again, the compact gravel that's out there is virtually impervious.

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Again, from a drainage perspective, has a curve of number on 96, whereas pavement's 98,

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by paving the middle portion of the site that's already developed,

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will actually result in cleaner runoff because we won't have to deal with the silk

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in sediment. So, the area to the right, the light gray that has the box around it,

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is the area that light to explore expanding into. And we're basically just proposing

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expanding the existing gravel yard, keeping it out of the setback areas to avoid the tree

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We're also keeping it outside of the riverfront zone and outside of the groundwater protection zone.

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Again, we're in the process of working through notice of intent with conservation commission.

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Again, we've designed stormwater drainage for this area and compliance with the mass DEP stormwater standards.

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And I'd be happy to answer any questions and might have.

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Anybody have any questions?

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Okay.

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Any staff comments?

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Jeremy, anything?

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Well, they're going to have jurisdiction on storm water on this.

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So there's no buildings or anything.

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So we wouldn't let the expecting from us in terms of, you know, approval.

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It's really just okay as long as the concomps, okay with it.

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It seems.

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So do you have a timeline that would that you need action from us on?

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Um, not in particular.

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I mean, I guess it's up to you.

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I guess if you make a subject, conservation, or hail stretches of modification of the 2014

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site plan.

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Yeah, but I think just making sure we include a reference to that decision.

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I don't think there's any risk for us on approving anything.

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We're approving the touch deck review.

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So we will get technical comments.

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But it seems like a pretty benign process and application.

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Well, you have a majority of review of the stormwater

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and the river fund area of concentration.

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Any comments on the public?

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Any questions?

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Can I make a motion?

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Do you approve that touch track budget estimate in the amount of $5,850?

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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There's a second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none?

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All those in favor?

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Please say aye.

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Okay. Is there a motion to continue the public hearing to get a date?

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Oh, actually, the conservation meeting is continued to September 3.

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So part of the question would be after that.

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Okay, that would be correct.

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Okay, I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing to September 8th at 7 p.m. at the middle school.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Have a good evening.

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Thanks for building in Medway.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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120 Main Street.

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This is an application from the town of Medway for property located at one

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120 Main Street, assessor parcel number 39-069, within the central business, commercial

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business, zoning district for major site plan review, land disturbance, permit, and special

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permits.

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The applicant proposes the construction of a new municipal complex intended to serve the police

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department, fire department, and town hall staff and operations.

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The proposal also includes associated parking areas, access drives, fire apparatus, circulation

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areas, storm water, management facilities, and landscaping among other site amenities.

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Hello.

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That's okay.

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Take care.

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Mr. Chairman, I remember the board, but even for those that don't know me, I'm Michael

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Voint, I'm a town manager.

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And beside me is an outstanding design team that has been working now for a better part

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of 10 months on this project for those that aren't aware in the fall of 2022, the town

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of Midway purchased the former Midway block property for some $4.5 million dollars.

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It's eight acres of land at 120 Main Street and it was a site of a former concrete block

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manufacturing facility that had been there for the better part of 75 years or more.

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The town went through a process of identifying we knew that there was a historic oil leak that was on the site hydraulic oil from the manufacturing facility.

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So the town did a couple of different things. One we had identified a need to clean that up.

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And we went through over the last year and a half to go through a process of actually removing that.

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But simultaneously there was a building study committee chaired by Mr. Harris with a number

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of town residents as part of that committee that identified, excuse me, for the community,

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that we have some significant space issues, we have some significant operations issues in

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a number of our facilities, the police station, the fire station, and town hall specifically.

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And quite frankly, the space conditions in those buildings are deteriorating day by day.

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So two years ago, in the fall of 2024, after a public outreach campaign, the town went forward and presented to the fall of town meeting a plan to actually design a new municipal complex at that site.

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7.9 million dollars was authorized in the fall of 2024.

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For us to begin this process of actually commencing a full on plan for the public safety needs of the town as well as the long term needs of the community.

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We did a number of things as part of this process.

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One, we took into consideration the first and foremost point

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was the master plan.

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And the master plan spoke about the creation

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of a downtown concept from Edway.

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And this was a fantastic anchor on the westernmost point

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of what otherwise be considered a downtown.

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The second thing that we did, once we got a design

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firm on board, we have first identified

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we brought on board, a known as project manager,

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Collears is our owner's project manager, Phil Palombo is here with Luis Rodriguez from

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Collears.

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And we then went through the process to select an architect and we were very happy to bring

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on board, Doran Wittier, Don Walters, the principal of Doran Wittier along with Chip

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High Camp.

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They have brought on Lang and there site folks and they'll speak to you tonight as well.

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But what we did was right after we got the design team on board.

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So we conducted a public outreach session.

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So we had the warehouse for an evening and we had a better part of 90 to 100 people at the

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warehouse that night to talk to us about what their needs were, what their thoughts were

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in the concerns were about a facility of this size located at that location at 120

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Main Street.

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Essentially on the corner of Main and Fond Street.

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The meeting was largely attended by residents of the area, a butters, in many cases, and they

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a number of things. Number one, they talked about trying to shield their properties as much as

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possible from the existence of this facility. We've done that. They've talked about not wanting

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to see a public entertainment venue. They didn't want to see a lot of cars parked there with a

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lot of noise there and cars parked up along the streets. I think we've done that as well. They

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talked a lot about pedestrian improvements and safety on pond street. In this plan, we'll include

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decide to walk along the western side of Pond Street all the way up to Han Circle.

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Everything that we've tried to do from the day that we brought our OPM on board and we brought

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Collears on board was to consider the needs of the community, especially the needs of the folks

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that live close by, and I think you will see from this design that a lot of those objectives have

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been met in this plan. This is an exceptionally robust plan. This is the largest project

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that the town of Medway has ever done or likely will ever do short of building a new school.

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We have seen some dramatic cost increases over the last eight years, especially since 2019

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when we commence construction on a BPW garage.

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So this facility will in and of itself be the most expensive thing that the town has ever built.

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But without getting into all of those specifics, we believe we have a plan.

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What's before you tonight is the site plan, is to take a look at this facility from the concept of how does it work both on the site, how does it work for the neighbors and how does it work in collaboration with other development initiatives that are proposed for the area.

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We even went so far as to hire the same traffic engineer that heritage used so that we could collaborate and understand each other's potential projects and how it would impact mainstream traffic.

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nothing, no stone has been left unturned on this, and I can't say enough positive things about

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the work of the building committee.

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The 13 members of the building committee were down to 12, one of the members has moved

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out of town, but we have an incredible cross-section of residents in the town and met

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way with incredible experience, and yes, I know two of you were on that committee, but take

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a pat on the back because the work that the committee has done has been phenomenal.

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And behind the scenes, working with this design team, we have an amazing group of department

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heads and staff that have been working not just on the exterior components that you

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will see, but working is...

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Well, with the interior functionality of the facility, it is an extremely exciting opportunity for

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that way. And the last shout out is the design review committee, because one of the things

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that we wanted the design to ultimately do is reflect what the wants of the community is through

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the efforts of the design review committee. And I think that they've also achieved that.

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So, Mr. Chair, remember the board? I'll stay along to answer any questions, but I'll turn it over

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I guess you're going to take it and start with it.

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Thank you, Mike.

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Great.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Thank you for having us here tonight.

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Dawn Walter, Principal with Dawn Woodier.

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And as you know, we're here to discuss major site planning review

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and land disturbance permit.

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But just want to give you a little more background,

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which led us to where we are today.

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As Michael said, we've been working for 10 months with the building committee

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with the DRC and the users, the users are extremely important because this is a program

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driven design. We're making sure that we're accommodating the spaces that need to occur

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in all three of the facilities that we are building as one complex. So basically what we're

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doing is creating a town center by building a municipal complex on the site. In fact, linking

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all three the town hall police in fire together with the town hall being the really the centerpiece

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of it all. Some of the images you see up here are architecturally. We're taking a lot of our

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cues from medway, historic medway, New England vernacular. We were charged with the term Yankee

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frugal and we take that very seriously with the design and symmetry but also the relates

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cost, and working very hard to keep the costs under control and affordable. So, at the end,

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we'll show you some images of the building, just so you get a sense for how it's been

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progressing, but the next slide is some of historic, and then some of the cues taken from

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the, from the fair home set in the building that we developed. And we tried to make a look

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like, it's a campus's been developed over time, right? So, if you go to the next slide,

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the existing site just to orient everyone, obviously, I say obviously. Main street down below to the south,

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pond street going up from bottom to top from south to north on the west side, the former concrete block site.

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What's really interesting about this site, when you stand on Main Street and you look across that site, like, oh, nice big flat site.

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not so much. It actually slopes from from from bottom to top, south to north about

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20 feet right from 20 feet from south to north. And it slopes a little bit from

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east to west too. So we've been working with Langon with a civil and a landscape

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architects to craft what we think is really exciting solution. Go to the next slide.

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And just just to give you an overview on the right, you'll get a sense for just

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how many diagrams we went through, before we landed on where we are today.

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We went through a number of iterations with the way the buildings were configured,

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the way they were organized and adjacent to each other to what you see on the left.

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Again, Main Street to the south pond up to the west or the left side.

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start on Ponds Street with this formal drive entrance to Town Hall police and the primary

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driver for this was not only put the town hall in the middle but to have the residents

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come to the buildings that they might visit the most off of a less major thoroughfare,

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right, Ponds Street being a choir to street easier to get in and out of and as you enter

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the site you get a nice view of town hall in the police with all the parking kind of pushed

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up to the north side. And John and Rachel will get into this boat. This is not all flat

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around. We've created berms and trees and plantings to try to obscure the site, but not hide

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the building. So we're doing in a way to make the parking lot less obvious from the street and

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who buffer the residences up to the north, which is hugely important.

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There are a number of mature trees up here now, some native, some invasive.

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So we're working with conservation on what trees we would be saving,

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what trees that we would be eliminating as invasive.

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And we've created a berm up here to help visually block and block sound

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from coming from the building.

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Not that there's buildings making modern noise to walk the sound from emanating out into

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the residential area.

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The other important frontage is on Main Street.

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And as you can see, fire department is down here with their apparatus, egress in apron,

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fronting on Main Street.

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Primary driver for that is response time.

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With fire stations and fire department deployment, you want to minimize the amount of time

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that you're on the road going to a call.

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We're as police, generally, are patrolling the community, fire station, are stationary and they move out on to Main Street to deploy out to the scene.

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So fire station, which will have a very nice presence on Main Street, is located here, and there would be some public parking right off the Main Street for that.

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The last thing I'll point out just as the overview is that there is also a loop road that we've built around the site.

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So this is for authorized personnel only, this is not a public access or a townway.

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So if you come in for fire station business, you try to go right back out Main Street.

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If you are coming in as either someone who works in the fire station or a town hall or works

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in the police department, you would park out behind a little bit to the north of the police department

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building.

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This loop row would be for town hall employees to come and go and for police personnel to deploy or to ingress back onto the site.

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So with that, I'm going to turn over to John who can get into some of the details of the actual application.

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Thank you, John Perry from laying in a civil engineer for the project with new Rachel Gilfoil,

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also from laying in landscape architect, and a few other far team members here as well.

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So I'm going to talk a little more about this site, some technical aspects, and then hand over to Rachel and then talk a little about traffic as well after that.

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So not to reiterate too much, but just a few notes here.

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So at any point, three acre site, 120 main street,

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as we mentioned before, the new building.

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Footprint will be 41,000 square feet, and it's a multi-depth footprint, so it's a multi-story building.

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As you can see, they're in white with fire, town hall, and police all connected.

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I'll talk about grading in a minute, but there's a step between fire and town hall police.

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So there's a corridor through here with a ramp, based on the site grading, we're trying to limit the amount of export material that we need to take off site.

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So as Dawn mentioned before, there'll be connection on Main Street with the Fire Apparatus.

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All staff will park on the Eastern Lot here.

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So if it's a fire fire staff or town hall staff will park there, there are a few visitor spots here in the southern portion of that lot as well.

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There'll be a secured gate entrance for the police park.

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So this will only be for police here.

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So there'll be a gate here at this intersection and another gate up top as well.

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And then all visitors to the site, you know, public resident visitors, except for those

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couple of here, will park off of Ponds Street.

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So there's 62 visitor spaces here, there's 40 police parking spaces in the police only

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parking area, and then there's 38 staff parking spaces in this lot with the five right here.

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So for a total of 145 total parking spaces on site.

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And in our application materials, there is a waiver request

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for the number of parking.

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I don't get into all the technicalities,

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but if you calculate out the required number of parking spaces

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based on the square footage of the building,

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based on zoning, you come up with a hundred.

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And if you're, what you're proposing isn't exactly

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what your calculation is, this is a waiver request.

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So we've requested that waiver.

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So essentially, we have the 100 spaces that it worked out nicely,

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but then plus the 40 plus or minus police parking spaces

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dedicated just for the cruisers.

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We will have seven accessible stalls on site.

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Most of them, approximate to the town hall and police

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department, public entrances, with a few in the staff parking

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as well. And we will have 16 EV electric vehicle spaces with 14 EV ready spaces for future as

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well. You saw the existing conditions slide before. We don't have that up. And you saw

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just how much existing concrete and asphalt and old buildings were on this site. There used

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to be out of the 8.3 total acres. There used to be 6.4 acres of impervious area.

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And the proposed plan has four and a half acres of impervious areas.

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So it's a reduction of about two acres of impervious areas.

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So we're adding two acres of vegetated green space to the site.

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Which you can obviously see, I think, in this color, color rendering of a half year.

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Beyond that, we meet all of the zoning requirements for a dimensional requirements as well.

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Setbacks, everything else.

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So quickly here, the site, as you see in the label here on the corner of Pond and Maine, is in the commercial business district, it's a great spot as kind of a corridor and a thoroughfare into the center of town here.

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We took a lot of inspiration guidance from the zoning requirements as well as the DCR regulations,

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some of the images on the bottom are straight from the DCR design guidelines and we really

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tried to hone in on those, where we put parking, trying not to have parking in front of

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the building, trying to have it on the side or behind, and really take consideration to having

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a nice frontage and experience for pedestrians

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either walking up on or all along the Main Street.

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Thanks, please.

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In a lot of what I just mentioned,

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it applies to this slide as well.

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So you can kind of see proximity to the rest of the town.

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Quickly to hit on stormwater in drainage.

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Currently on site, there's one existing underground

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in storm water system on the site which handles a small portion of the site. We are proposing

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to put in new underground infiltration chambers in the under the apparatus bay. It will

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be concrete chambers to detain storm water and then to new surface infiltration basins

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kind of a long pond street here, which we'll fit in nicely with some of our berms and landscaping.

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They'll be aesthetically pleasing as well as functional.

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And that's in order to meet all of the state and local requirements for storm water.

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We're reducing peak flow rates. We're infiltrating to the extent we can.

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This is technically a redevelopment project because we have less in previous area.

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So we are meeting the local redevelopment request on water requirements, which is 80% total suspended

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solid removal in 50% phosphorus removal.

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Those orange dots we have in the plan there represent water quality treatment devices.

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So we have multiple water quality suspended solid treatment devices, and then also one here,

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It's a storm filter, so it's a filtration device, and that's to clean the water for phosphorus.

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Okay, next.

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And lastly, utilities, just to show where our intended utility routing will be for the majority,

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where getting new utilities off of Main Street as you can see in orange,

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will be the Telcom. Blue will be the new water service and that's going to loop out to

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Paul and Street. That's been coordinated with public works.

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Suer will have a connection into Main Street as well and there's no gas proposed here, so

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there'll be all electric and there is a geothermal system proposed as well for the site.

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Thank you, John. I'm Rachel Gillesville and landscape architect Lange. So I'll just go a little

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bit more into some of the site amenities, as well as looking at some of these sections that

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we pulled so we can get a better idea of what this site will actually look like down

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on the ground level, not in plan view.

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So as Dawn mentioned, there is a lot of great change on the site, again, it doesn't look like

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that when you're out there, but it's about 20 feet from...

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From this top corner, down to pawn street. So we're really balancing a lot of things here as we're laying out the site, as we're laying out these driveways, meeting the apparatus bay on Main Street where it needs to be and then meeting these driveways on pawn street.

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And I'm a landscape architect. I want to keep existing trees whenever there are large existing trees on site.

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We also want to be really good neighbors to these neighbors to the north here, right?

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So, what's great about this existing site, there is a 75 foot buffer, those existing

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a zoning buffer that has actually existing in the top right here in corner here.

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There are some really mature, healthy, native trees that are existing here.

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It kind of fins out in the middle and then over on pond street.

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In the corner, again, there are some really nice, very old existing trees that do create a really nice visual buffer.

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Again, it's like 75 feet wide that it really almost feels like a true wooded area back there.

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So a big focus was how can we keep these trees on site?

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How can we kind of beef up the buffer where there aren't those existing trees on site?

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So, for the Northern Buffer, our plan here was to keep the existing trees where we could,

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where it made sense, where they were healthy, where they made a lot of impact, and beef up

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the understories.

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So, we're doing a lot of plantings under these existing, very tall canopies that will prevent

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more at eye level, will block some of the views and some of the sounds.

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where there aren't a lot of existing trees on the northern buffer, we are going to, as

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Dawn was alluding to, we're going to burn an earthen berm as much as we can there and

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plant on top of it, a very dense mix of mostly evergreen trees, all native trees, fast

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growing trees, something that will create a buffer quickly and then hopefully preserve

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these trees in this corner as well and same thing plant the understory and we'll get into

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those sections and on pond street. Here, this is a much more roadside condition when we're

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talking about any existing vegetation here. It's a lot of invasive, it's mostly invasive even

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when there are native trees, they're kind of infested by invasive and in order to eradicate

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the specifically the Japanese not weed that exists along this road in a way that we feel

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comfortable and as confident as possible. It involves a lot of over excavating and taking

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out a lot of soil, they're really tough, they're really horrible. So here we are proposing

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new plantings and taking a lot of the soil that otherwise would be exported off the site and creating

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a series of berms in this large-screen area here that creates a really nice pedestrian experience

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as well as creating a slight residential buffer for these here, while also preserving views

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and framing views of the brand new town hall and police department.

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So if you want to go to the next slide.

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So these sections show the pond street sections, so on the top left here you can see these three

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lines. That's what we're looking at here. So these on the left-hand side is

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palm street where these cars are. You can see here we burn up from palm

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street. And then back down this is a showing this walkway that goes that meanders

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through these berms. We have lots of plantings here and then here is the parking

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lot. You can see this is an example of one of the buyer retention

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that we have on site here is the Town Hall Plaza and the Town Hall building would be here and then here is another berm.

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So this is just to get a good idea of the scale of these berms that we're talking about get a good idea of the planting scheme that would go on and what that again would feel like as a pedestrian on the site.

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Next slide.

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And the needs sections are cut.

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You see these red lines here.

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They're looking east.

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We're focusing here on that northern buffer.

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We were talking about so this top one here is this.

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So these large existing trees that I was alluding to on the site.

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Again, we want to preserve those.

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They're doing a wonderful job of buffering the existing

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and we would leave up that understory plantings and plant new plantings as well.

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Here you can also get a good scale of the distance between the metostreat and the proposed building.

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And then here where there aren't really any existing,

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or maybe a couple trees existing in this area here.

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This is where we would be planting a berm or building a berm rather and then planting on top of it to get that same.

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buffer. And then here on the bottom, this is an elevation. This is as if you're standing

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on Pond Street. So this up here is where metal road would be over on the right hand side

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down here. It is where main street would be. This is as if we're standing on Pond Street looking

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at the new development. So this gives you a good idea of the entry drive here where you

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see this vehicle driving away from us is entering the site and how the driveway and how

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have graded the series of firms and by retention basins, how we have done so to frame the town hall building as you're driving up.

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And then here we get a little more into the planting scheme.

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So we're trying to do a lot of things here.

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We're trying to balance a lot of things as we think about planting on this site.

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So we're thinking about it in zones, so I'll go through each of those zones.

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But overall, the planting palette is fully native.

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It is drought tolerant.

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Once established, we are thinking, first and foremost,

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about maintenance.

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We want this to look good when it's installed.

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We want it to look good five years, 10 years, 15 years

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on the road, and we don't want it to be a nightmare to maintain.

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So that is all top of mind when we are thinking about how

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00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:50,010
to plant this site.

448
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:53,150
So the first zone entry gateway planting these are

449
00:36:53,150 --> 00:37:01,990
the driveway entrances at the pedestrian entrances, they really establish a sense of a rival.

450
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:09,330
They're more structured planting, a little more full that creates a good first impression

451
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:13,710
as you enter onto the site. Streetscapes and parking lots, pretty self-explanatory here.

452
00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:23,110
We want to plant really salt tolerant heat tolerant trees that will do well in the parking lot.

453
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:29,670
that will provide a lot of shade plants on the ground that will be hardy.

454
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:55,860
And our salt tolerant. We have snow storage areas. If we have another winter, like we did, this last winter, I think it scarred all of us and snow storage is top of mind. Here, we're doing a lot of plantings that will provide seasonal interest for, you know, the other 10 months of the year that we don't need it for snow storage, but then we'll also survive if we do have to pile feet and feet of snow on top of it.

455
00:37:55,860 --> 00:38:02,180
The plaza in the front of the town hall, here is the most garden-like planting that we would have

456
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:12,360
here. We would have a series of these, you can see these stone walls, which I will also talk

457
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:18,060
about in the next slide. That this came directly from the Design Review Committee with something that

458
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:23,120
they wanted to see as we talk about the New England vernacular and talking about historical landscapes.

459
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:39,300
There are a lot of boulders that exist on the site, there's old abandoned stone walls and very large boulders that we are hoping to reuse on the site strategically, which will create a really nice landscape feature.

460
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:49,660
Existing tree transition, this is a zone, they're talking about if we can keep the large tree canopy and plant an understory under it that will provide a buffer.

461
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:56,620
And then you hear these naturalized berms along Pond Street, and then the northern Burm Buffer.

462
00:38:56,780 --> 00:38:59,100
We want to keep that northern Burm Buffer as mentioned.

463
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,460
A lot of evergreen trees, fast growing trees.

464
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,420
Things that will fill in and will create a nice buffer for the neighbors to the north.

465
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,280
And then our stormwater and bio-retention areas.

466
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:12,900
These function is more than just stormwater areas.

467
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360
They provide habitat for pollinators for natives.

468
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:24,320
They are a great example of low impact design, where we can create a beautiful landscape

469
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,620
while handling the site, storm and water infrastructure.

470
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:29,120
Next slide.

471
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,680
And here we go into a little bit again.

472
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,700
This was a great suggestion that came from the design review committee as we're talking about

473
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:44,620
the vernacular of the site, wanting to see a lot of just these very classic

474
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:50,840
Massachusetts, New England, Phil Stone Walls. So we are providing a series of these walls

475
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,260
along Main Street that will provide a nice entry along Main Street and an opportunity if

476
00:39:57,260 --> 00:40:04,580
desired to have signage on these walls. Some of them will be retaining where we can plant behind them.

477
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,980
And then here in yellow, this is where the town hall plaza will be the main gathering area for

478
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:20,320
for visitors will be a series of these stone walls that are at seating height will provide

479
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,540
a lot of seating as well as a really nice structure to the area. Next slide.

480
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:35,180
And then lighting, we do hit all of the required, all of the zoning requirements for

481
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:43,820
there's no trespass along across the property lines and we are in terms of lighting

482
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:52,020
fixtures, we are keeping to that same historical, very civic, very municipal language.

483
00:40:52,520 --> 00:41:02,260
We are proposing the standard, medway, main street, street lights, and then a matching, but

484
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:05,860
more site-scaled, site life for most of the site.

485
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:23,210
Good evening, members of the board.

486
00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:26,370
My name is Stefan Zates, and I'm from Venassin Associates.

487
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:33,510
As Mike mentioned, we are working on the heritage on main project, and part of our task

488
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:38,270
is to make sure that while we're producing this new complex, we're also kind of having

489
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:40,390
a cohesive mainstream.

490
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:55,870
So with this we did provide a traffic study that we that it was submitted and we did design the conceptual first look at what an emergency signal system would look like on Route 108.

491
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:58,890
Route 109, sorry.

492
00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:04,470
Of course, this is kind of a context of what our traffic study entailed.

493
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,930
we looked at the two most adjacent intersections on Route 109 being

494
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:13,710
on street and then the signalized intersection down a medway place and looking

495
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:17,750
at all of our driveways and what traffic impacts will be there.

496
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:27,470
For a traffic study, kind of the biggest thing that we're taking away from this is

497
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:29,090
what our trip generation is.

498
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:35,310
We use the standard Institute of Transportation Engineers, IT trip generation manual.

499
00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:45,010
In this case, it's kind of a different land use code than what you're used to, but we estimated our trips based on what's called the government office land use.

500
00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:48,970
It's typical for state offices or local offices.

501
00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:54,770
With that, we developed that based on our employee count.

502
00:42:55,070 --> 00:43:01,490
We were told that we had approximately 70 employees between town hall, police and fire department.

503
00:43:01,490 --> 00:43:09,050
So that brings us to our total of approximately 500 daily trips during a day.

504
00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:15,370
Our weekday morning trips are about 72 total trips with 53 entering 19 exiting.

505
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:21,130
In the afternoon we have 46 total trips, 10 entering 36 exiting.

506
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:29,130
There's a couple of notes to include when we're talking about the trip generation and how much traffic this is actually going to be developing.

507
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:36,990
first we did not take any we didn't take any credit for the existing use in a lot of traffic

508
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:42,710
studies something like the medway block we would say that that produced some type of trips

509
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:49,410
and that we would credit that as a net difference we didn't do that in this case another thing

510
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:55,730
is that 72 trips total might seem daunting or 53 entering trips might be daunting but this is

511
00:43:55,730 --> 00:44:02,410
up between three different driveways. Obviously a majority of these are going to be town employees

512
00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:08,430
going to work or police department. But that will be split between several driveways.

513
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:12,530
So that turns out to be one car every couple minutes.

514
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:19,320
We talked a lot about access, but kind

515
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:26,440
of just covering it from a traffic perspective. As we kind of discussed, the main visitor entrance

516
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,480
is going to be on Pond Street with the one way and one way out.

517
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,740
The right most on Main Street is going to be for the town hall employees and police

518
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:41,220
department and then we have two access points for the fire station.

519
00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:47,040
With that we did note that we're providing more pedestrian improvements.

520
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:52,180
We have our paths that are going to both Pond Street and Main Street and those are going

521
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:55,400
be connected to new pedestrian improvements for the project.

522
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,340
So as part of this, it was pretty important that we all know Route 109 is dense, it's pretty complex.

523
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:12,480
So we need to kind of put pen to paper what a signal system or how the fire station would actually

524
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,520
interact with Route 109. See if I get this to work? Okay.

525
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:26,460
So what we have here is we're proposing two separate mass alarms, one here and one closer down towards

526
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:33,500
the first fire station entrance, what would be happening is this signal would be actuated

527
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:41,980
from two different methods, most police cruisers or fire station trucks, they do have

528
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:47,620
emitters, right? And that is the op-to-com preemption. Each of these driveways, all three of

529
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:54,160
them, are going to be equipped with those emitters that are pointed up the driveway so that

530
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,700
then a fire station call does come in.

531
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,540
That signal is actuated traffic on Route 109 stops

532
00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:02,300
and that all the vehicles can leave.

533
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:05,200
With that because it's going to be visual,

534
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,080
what happens is as soon as that truck leaves

535
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,000
and there's no other calls, the signal goes back.

536
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,080
So that time can vary significantly.

537
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,340
If it's just one truck, it could be 20 seconds.

538
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:21,540
We didn't know that we did a kind of a conservative analysis

539
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:28,220
saying, hey, if this signal was closed for 60 seconds and most of the vehicles were to leave,

540
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:34,500
what would that do to root 109 in our study? We saw that we'd have maybe a queue of about

541
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:41,420
500 feet, but that queue would dissipate pretty quickly when considering that root 109

542
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:48,980
moves pretty freely. Another thing to note, and this is something that a lot of new fire stations

543
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:56,480
have is a actual hard wire into the fire station, so what happens is when the call comes in

544
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,720
you know, before they leave they push a button and that starts the process for stopping traffic,

545
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:08,960
so it kind of gives more of a better response to know you can leave the station quicker, so that

546
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,360
will be located inside of the station.

547
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,760
One other thing to know and obviously this is being coordinated

548
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:24,380
right with a heritage on Maine. With that project they were looking at restriping of Route 109

549
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:29,700
to make sure that was cohesive with the project and we've kind of taken that even further to say,

550
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:35,540
you know, how do these two projects really meet together? So what we have here is part of our

551
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:40,400
plan we showed that this is actually the residential driveway for the heritage on Maine and it

552
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,660
does line up with the emergency driveway here. So both of them are going to be signalized.

553
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:50,660
And whenever a vehicle is coming down here,

554
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Route 109 stops this driveway would get a red light

555
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,900
and then the other driveway, this other side of Route 109,

556
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,140
they'd all get a red light.

557
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,560
So that we made sure that if we had a system like this,

558
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:05,840
it would work.

559
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,140
And just one other thing is that going back to the restriping,

560
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,540
so we would have a dedicated left turn lane

561
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:24,900
that would be able to go into the police department and the town hall driveway, and there would still be a left lane to allow for the residential driveway to turn in.

562
00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:34,480
If if a car was still there, what would end up happening is a 3109 would stop right about here, and these cars would quickly move to make the turn,

563
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,740
making sure that in front of the station is always clear before truck leaves.

564
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:43,600
So the residents can take lefts at that light.

565
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:51,600
So, there's going to be no, basically the traffic stops right here when they're moving westbound.

566
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:54,480
So, once the light and then they can turn left.

567
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:54,820
Yes.

568
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880
So, there'd be no one coming down, they would notice.

569
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,940
And one other thing that we've included, there are typically strobes on top of the mast arms.

570
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,040
So, everyone knows, right, that this signals on.

571
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:11,140
And if there is a call at the same time, the residents still has a red light.

572
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:13,810
This driveway?

573
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:14,970
Yes.

574
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:27,940
One thing we got from feedback was about pond street and acknowledging, you know, is can a

575
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:34,100
signal be built for pond street, knowing that it is a difficult drive to pull out of

576
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:35,860
and get on to Route 109.

577
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,460
From a traffic perspective, we have what's called a signal warrant analysis is pretty

578
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:47,340
much of federal standard that goes through nine different warrants to say, well, does it meet

579
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:54,180
it for vehicle traffic, does it meet it for pedestrians? So we went through that process and

580
00:49:54,180 --> 00:50:00,760
that was actually just after the traffic study. So we did do additional traffic counts and

581
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:08,220
I believe that was an April of this year where we did traffic counts on a typical, typical

582
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:15,080
weekday during school, and that's for 12 hours, with the worn analysis, we're looking at

583
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,280
the highest gate hours of volume.

584
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,680
So, those extrapolated numbers based on prior studies?

585
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:30,280
So that was a brand new, brand new set of traffic counts, because our team conducted the actual

586
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,200
counts.

587
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,700
So with that, we had to look at a couple of conditions.

588
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,700
First, obviously, the existing conditions,

589
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,760
doesn't meet the warrants for a traffic signal today.

590
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:47,220
The big, decide it really is how much traffic

591
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:48,600
this pawn street produce.

592
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,240
If pawn street produces,

593
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:54,740
some amount of vehicles in eight consecutive

594
00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:57,420
eight hours within a day,

595
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,640
then it would warrant one of them,

596
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:07,560
We weren't one, which is typically our mass, mass doc considers the warrant that should be

597
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,740
met before any other is met.

598
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,340
In this case, it did not meet any of the vehicle volume warrants in the existing conditions,

599
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,200
so then we looked further and said in the future, in the no-build condition, let's say,

600
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,780
just the heritage on Maine was built with this warrant.

601
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,620
It did not warn a signal then and then even with this project knowing that it would

602
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:35,160
do additional traffic on on-street, wouldn't meet that warrant, and it did not.

603
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,620
So, let's try to take both projects into account.

604
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:43,200
And can you describe the no-build what that means to the public?

605
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,780
So, that would mean the no-build would essentially mean getting the future as traffic continues

606
00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:55,940
to grow in the surrounding area, but this project, this specific project of the municipal

607
00:51:55,940 --> 00:52:01,300
complex is not moved forward but everything else does. So it takes into account some traffic

608
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:07,640
growth, some annual traffic growth, and any other background projects in the area.

609
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:16,460
So that traffic growth is millis, you know, Franklin, it's perimeter wise, it's not necessarily

610
00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:22,060
anything related to these two projects or this specific project.

611
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:29,960
As part of that, it was worth for me kind of doing some digging and looking into-

612
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:43,840
So I was able to get a copy of that corridor project and they went through the same exercise and going through the signal warrants.

613
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,100
Back in that study was done in 2011, they said the signal wasn't warranted.

614
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:59,620
It's interesting that between about 15 years, the traffic on Pond Street really hasn't changed significantly to kind of warrant any need for a traffic signal.

615
00:52:59,620 --> 00:53:01,120
based on volume.

616
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:11,030
Can you go back to coordinated signal on number six?

617
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:13,090
It says yes.

618
00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:14,150
What does that mean?

619
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:23,270
So with that, the coordinated signal warrant means if it would benefit knowing that there are other signals in the area.

620
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:29,990
So it doesn't take in a consideration an actual signal at pond street.

621
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:33,910
It's just that what's like peripheral tube on.

622
00:53:34,330 --> 00:53:34,870
It's both.

623
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:36,270
It's both.

624
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:40,070
So we can go into the detail of all these warns.

625
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:42,850
This is looking at both the volume.

626
00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:48,230
I think what the public is thinking, they want a signal at Ponstrate.

627
00:53:48,910 --> 00:53:55,590
Does that answer yes that we see up there mean that that it should get a signal?

628
00:53:56,330 --> 00:54:03,370
Based on what Mazda is saying for signal warns, it would not, because it wouldn't meet the volume warn.

629
00:54:04,170 --> 00:54:07,630
The warrant one is pretty much the overarching one.

630
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:14,830
Even if you can meet other warns, they still recommend you should be meeting warrant one before considering it.

631
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:18,010
So that's a gate you have to go through.

632
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:23,950
Mr. Chairman, that's an excellent point, because this comes up frequently not just with this location,

633
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:28,250
but other locations in town, and why don't we put a signal in, because at the end of the day

634
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:31,850
the town does not have the authorization in and of itself to put signals.

635
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:35,630
We do all the roadway, both roads, main street, as well as pond street.

636
00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:39,110
But we have to have state approval for that.

637
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:44,690
In fact, one on nine project actually went through a full analysis that included the level

638
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:46,050
of build-out going forward.

639
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:53,930
We would have to go back to the state with the full traffic study and say, this is what we

640
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:58,930
but the ultimate decision is to whether or not to allow a signal in that location is mass

641
00:54:58,930 --> 00:55:03,490
dots, not the town of Edwards. So even though we may find that it satisfies something

642
00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:10,670
by saying yes to the signal, it doesn't warrant it to be allowed by the state because we don't

643
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:16,690
meet warrant number one with enough traffic. Correct. In fact, they would look at it more as,

644
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:23,350
even though we could identify it as a true convenience benefit or even a marginal safety benefit

645
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:27,590
by putting it in, the state could look at and say the unintended consequences are that you've

646
00:55:27,590 --> 00:55:31,870
created an unsafe condition on Main Street by having too many signals or having them

647
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:38,790
too close together as well. So this is fresh in my mind from the 109 project. When we were

648
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:41,970
looking at the various locations for signals and turning movements, etc.

649
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:44,630
Sorry. Thank you.

650
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:54,160
Lastly, we wanted to cover some of the off-site improvements that was discussed from public feedback.

651
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,500
this was more about the pedestrian connectivity.

652
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:02,160
Obviously we discussed about restriping Main Street in front of the project.

653
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:07,460
Also with the pedestrian crossings, two places that we saw as key places,

654
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,540
to provide improvements would be at this pond street near the dry bridge intersection.

655
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:21,600
This is very close to where our entrances, but today there's no signage that really shows you

656
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,500
it's a crossing, so as you're approaching from farther away, you may not even realize it.

657
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:31,620
So we would be adding some new signage here and refresh the markings.

658
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:37,180
At the Main Street and Pond Street, one thing that we could implement, knowing that there

659
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:43,200
are pedestrian hybrid beacons in other parts of Route 109, because it's a four-legged intersection.

660
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:50,480
It isn't as appropriate, but we can install rectangular rapid flashing beacons, RRFBs,

661
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:57,440
across Main Street, so that when someone is moving east or west here, they will get that flashing

662
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,500
notification for someone trying to cross.

663
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,840
I think for the public, that's similar to what you would see at Chote Park.

664
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:20,480
synchronizing the signals, especially in the method, the attribute, so.

665
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,820
Okay, just, I know that realizing it is a state road and what that process would be

666
00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:25,640
off to the possibility.

667
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,780
So with our emergency signal, it's a little bit of a different scenario when it comes only

668
00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:36,940
because it's primarily actuated by an emergency vehicle.

669
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,640
The good news is that the other intersections on Route 109 do have that preemption so that when

670
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,800
a fire when an emergency vehicle is coming down and enters root nine, as long as that line

671
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,860
of sight is there, you know, that's going to get triggered down at medway place.

672
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:58,180
And the same thing near Winthrop Street, as long as the line of sight can be seen, then

673
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:01,660
that green is given for that emergency vehicle to keep moving.

674
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:05,420
In the cycle, this goes back to its normal cycle left.

675
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:16,640
What about the sequencing or timing of the lights in general between the Plaza and Winthrop Street or Milford Street?

676
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:34,370
So we possible that they are aware of what's happening with the traffic and that they give longer greens to the east-west traffic when things start to queue up too long.

677
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:43,370
It's something that I'd have to look at in terms of what's specifically in those cabinets but it's something that could theoretically be done.

678
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:47,470
It depends on the hardware that's inside of the cabinets.

679
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:52,310
Is that something that's a bolt-on or clip-in?

680
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:53,790
It's more of a...

681
00:58:53,790 --> 00:58:55,290
Are we going to take the whole thing out really?

682
00:58:55,290 --> 00:59:00,110
Yes, sometimes it's more of just like the controller kind of the computer that's built in.

683
00:59:00,110 --> 00:59:06,410
So without knowing what's exactly inside of those actual cabinets, it'd be tough to say.

684
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,360
Thanks to time.

685
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:13,660
So in closing,

686
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:18,960
we have a couple of images to share with you.

687
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,100
As mentioned earlier, we spent a lot of time with the DRC, and we actually had a lot

688
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:26,700
of detailed drawings that follow this in the interest of time.

689
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,840
We thought we'd dream a little bit, and we backed off and said, let's do something

690
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:39,000
just trying to show design intent without being too specific, too literal.

691
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,520
And so this is taken from pond street, looking up the entry drive, and you can see town

692
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:51,040
hall and police, and you can see kind of the back of fire to the right.

693
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:57,360
And what's really important about this image is that there is a berm to the right, which actually

694
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,980
helps to secure the back of the fire station.

695
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:07,260
Because that is a little bit of the back of house, although we're going to keep it neat and tidy. It's the back of house.

696
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:28,160
So we're trying to obscure that a bit. And then the detention base into the left, before we get to the berm, further to the left, helps to create this frame view for the, for town hall and police, while the berm obscures the parking from the public view.

697
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:34,680
So, the plantings are still being worked on, Rachel and her team are doing a terrific job

698
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:42,120
working on that with the town and the building committee, but we just love the presence

699
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,740
that you see here on Pond Street.

700
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:52,580
If we go to the last slide, we have a similar view of the fire station from Main Street with

701
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:57,840
its entry drive and some of those stone walls that Rachel mentioned on Pond Street.

702
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,360
So it gives you a sense for what's going to be coming without being

703
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,620
be literal in our presentation tonight.

704
01:01:05,660 --> 01:01:11,560
One thing that I think is important, some folks may ask, why is this a giant complex?

705
01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:15,880
Why is this one big giant building, so to speak, instead of smaller buildings or separate?

706
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:21,840
Because it's 2026 and one of the things that we identified very clearly early on, I think

707
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,280
I mentioned this at the beginning, is that the current facilities that we have don't work and

708
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,680
And they're no longer working, and we're doing the best we can within those existing setups,

709
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,780
hoping that this becomes a reality.

710
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,460
But what we did by utilizing the site and utilizing the design that's before you is that

711
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:42,620
we also save money, and that we save money on infrastructure.

712
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:49,400
We save money on utilities, on HVAC type systems, tell data systems, and importantly, we're

713
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,080
able to function with space.

714
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:55,980
So instead of a fire station with its own large training center, and a police station with

715
01:01:55,980 --> 01:02:00,460
on large training center, we consolidated those training centers in the one spot on the third

716
01:02:00,460 --> 01:02:05,320
floor of town hall. That's the training center for both police and fire. It also doubles

717
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:11,840
as an emergency operations center. So we know based on winter or weather conditions here

718
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:18,240
that we will utilize emergency operations functions in these facilities. It's New England

719
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:24,380
and we wanted everything under one roof and the ability to be able to do that on one

720
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:28,780
is fantastic. It is absolutely fantastic and it's efficient.

721
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,520
That concludes our presentation.

722
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:42,500
Does the berm on the right hand side is your entering that is obscuring the back of a fire station?

723
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Does it obscure the back of three unit plos of that's there on the corner?

724
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:51,600
Oh yes. Yeah.

725
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,760
More so because that's at a lower elevation.

726
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,120
Yeah.

727
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,320
One question on the rise for one,

728
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,580
by the standpoint of looking through this wall,

729
01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:05,720
the digital and the snippet of that.

730
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,600
You guys develop it, your full elevation that shows that.

731
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:08,900
We will.

732
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:09,180
Yeah.

733
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:14,580
And actually what's nice about that particular section.

734
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:17,020
I think we can get back to that kind of.

735
01:03:18,220 --> 01:03:22,600
We have to talk to you because the site is so open from south to north,

736
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:30,280
towards the neighborhood because of the cuts that we are doing in there to maintain our floor

737
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,140
elevations, where are we up here?

738
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:36,840
There we go.

739
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:43,060
So you can see that the site of the municipal complex is down quite low.

740
01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:49,800
So the berm is actually higher on the municipal complex side and a little lower up on the

741
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:57,940
resident side. You can see it here also. But what that does is this burn does the same thing

742
01:03:57,940 --> 01:04:03,020
is adding a high burn on the resident side, right? It still skewers and creates a noise

743
01:04:03,020 --> 01:04:09,760
barrier. And then as was talked about doing the plantings, the dense plantings, the taller

744
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:14,860
dissiduous and kind of protrusion and having some of that understory, we'll create that

745
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:17,100
visual barrier that we're looking for also.

746
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:23,000
This is a great graphic right near which shows the vehicles and you know, we have the headlights would be

747
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:29,580
Yeah, directing driving you at the ground. You can see this right. Perfect of that. Yep, to pick up on that noise point also

748
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:35,420
The noisyest part of this complex would be the fire station with apparatus coming and going back up alarms, et cetera

749
01:04:35,420 --> 01:04:40,600
The one of the earlier concepts that we looked at had that emptying out onto Pond Street

750
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,460
By moving that the main street you've taken all of that noise factor and moved it that much further away from any residences

751
01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:48,280
that are existing today?

752
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,680
I have a question about the fire station when you're going,

753
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,920
I'm sorry, when you're going in and out of the fire station.

754
01:04:57,140 --> 01:05:00,640
So say they're coming back from an emergency call.

755
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,240
Did they have a way to turn around and put their vehicle

756
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,960
without doing, you know, one-on-one?

757
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:06,760
Yeah.

758
01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:09,340
Absolutely.

759
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,740
The apron in front of the building is deep enough

760
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:15,300
that you can come in and turn and then back in.

761
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:17,140
No issues whatsoever.

762
01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:20,580
I would also point out that there are double sided base.

763
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,680
They're not full through base.

764
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,380
For that reason, we had to allow that.

765
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:25,000
I appreciate it.

766
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:27,440
Thank you.

767
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:31,520
One more question.

768
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Go back to the traffic study.

769
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,640
You know, as a fall-up to the existing blocks,

770
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:38,800
and if there is a solution or a fix,

771
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:40,560
do we get sink those lights up?

772
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,040
Better I think they'll be helpful as well.

773
01:05:43,340 --> 01:05:45,880
Think I'd identify whatever in those boxes

774
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:53,420
in their capacity and what risk needs to be mitigated or cost associated with upgrading

775
01:05:54,800 --> 01:06:01,120
so that we know. Also, what's the timeline for a project like this?

776
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,840
When do you expect us to be able to start?

777
01:06:07,650 --> 01:06:15,130
We are planning to go out to bid early December and then we will like the plan would be

778
01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:19,250
spring of 2027, spring early summer, we'd be breaking ground.

779
01:06:20,790 --> 01:06:26,530
Is there any type of plan for how to move when it's happening and how the public

780
01:06:26,530 --> 01:06:31,110
might expect to deal with the construction that might be ongoing?

781
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:35,150
There will be logistics plans that will be developed for sure, yeah.

782
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:42,190
I know, basically, we work with, basically, as well, where the construction manager

783
01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:43,410
on the projects are there.

784
01:06:43,410 --> 01:06:48,410
So at some point the public will know and I'm sure you'll be communicating in a Facebook video.

785
01:06:49,150 --> 01:06:50,410
And a special targeting?

786
01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:51,290
Yes.

787
01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:58,030
So the expectation is that in concert with their design timeline and Consequently's

788
01:06:58,030 --> 01:07:03,750
bid time, Consequently's the other part of this team, I'm not sure is only from Consequently with us to know.

789
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:06,370
So Consequently's our Construction Manager.

790
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:08,630
This is a Construction Manager at Risk Project.

791
01:07:08,810 --> 01:07:10,250
It's not a design bid build.

792
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:12,110
Can you explain what that means for the public?

793
01:07:12,110 --> 01:07:17,430
Sure, a design bid build is the old traditional way that these guys would sit there and put all their plants together

794
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:23,090
somewhat in a vacuum. They will do that. They will put the specs together, and then bid it

795
01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:29,970
You will get contractors then we'll commend general contractors. We'll do the bids. They will work with wild subbeds and then they will put

796
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:39,780
The board of mind together, a bid package. At that point in time, they get inundated with request for information, potential change orders, things that come along.

797
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:50,360
The committee at this point in time, for this project, decided because of the size and scope, it was necessary and essential to do a, what's called, a construction manager at risk project.

798
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:56,920
The CM at Risk Project allows the designed team to work directly with the selected GC,

799
01:07:57,220 --> 01:08:01,980
so the town of Medway working with the design team as well as the OPM and the building committee

800
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:08,020
selected a construction manager. That's consigly out of Milford. They are a very large company.

801
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,960
They came in and one of the presentations they made to the committee at the time of this election.

802
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,020
was exactly that, and he was a proposed construction plan.

803
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,600
So the CM actually sits in on the design,

804
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:24,700
works with all of the design team folks,

805
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:28,920
and provides key information, key recommendations,

806
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,660
so that it really cuts back the expected to be cuts back

807
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:36,960
on all of the potential change orders or unknowns

808
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,320
or variables that happen as we start to move in the construction.

809
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:41,860
It's a two-year construction window.

810
01:08:41,860 --> 01:08:47,280
So if they actually, to Sarah's point, the expectation would be a special

811
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:56,060
town meeting for this one topic on March 1st, followed by a special election that is scheduled

812
01:08:56,060 --> 01:08:58,500
to follow Tuesday on March 9th.

813
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:05,400
We will spend a whole lot of time in different forms talking about the financing and how

814
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,660
this proposes to be funded and what the potential impacts to the community would be.

815
01:09:09,660 --> 01:09:11,160
We're still developing that.

816
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,680
We've got a pretty good handle on it, but again, all of the numbers is still estimates, but

817
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,760
as the final bid package, it just starts to come in, we'll have a better, much better flavor

818
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,660
for where that's going.

819
01:09:21,420 --> 01:09:22,680
We're optimistic right now.

820
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:29,780
So, break ground, hopefully in the late spring, early spring, let's say, of 2027 calendar year,

821
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:34,380
and if this is successful, we've got a ribbon somewhere in the middle of the 29th.

822
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:39,900
The only thing, if I could have, would add, is you get the benefit, like Michael said, of

823
01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:44,360
constructability and working with the contractor at a time while all your trades are still

824
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:49,500
publicly bid. So you still get competitive competitive bidding market while working

825
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:53,620
getting the constructability piece with the contractor, which is a nice ad.

826
01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:01,780
Well, you also get the benefit of starting in the spring as opposed to the fall, which leads

827
01:10:01,780 --> 01:10:08,060
right into winter. So you can get a lot of your out of the groundwork done before. So that's

828
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:18,520
I think it is important to note there has been an awful lot of talk discussion and there will be a lot of discussion as this project goes forward about traffic.

829
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:29,280
I do want to recognize and thank the development team from Heritage because they were able to provide their traffic engineer with a lot of the legwork that was already done to the town.

830
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:35,620
And that did two things. One it obviously allowed for a great amount of coordination knowing what's being proposed across the street.

831
01:10:35,620 --> 01:10:39,140
And the second thing it did was it saved us a lot of money, a lot of money.

832
01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:45,890
One other thing to add to my opinion, you had most of it.

833
01:10:46,030 --> 01:10:46,530
I like that.

834
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:53,110
CMT Risk Approach is really an opportunity to control the cost, right out of the gate with the

835
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:57,950
influence and collaboration between gocholiers and door and witty or into sickly.

836
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:59,150
So you were ahead of that.

837
01:10:59,190 --> 01:11:02,510
And what I call it back and go in after door redesign for 15 times.

838
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:04,050
We're working together.

839
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:09,110
that teams are working together selecting appropriate systems and materials to control that

840
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:09,330
class.

841
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:13,390
That's probably the single biggest image to this portion, yeah, that we have.

842
01:11:15,690 --> 01:11:21,570
Yeah, I just want to say for the record, I thought this was a spectacularly thoughtful

843
01:11:21,570 --> 01:11:30,090
presentation, very unique design perspective, focus on sustainability, not just environmentally,

844
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:36,250
but for the future infrastructure, fiscal health, of medway.

845
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:39,510
And I can only assume that planning board chair,

846
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:44,970
rudder, and building committee chair Harris had a lot to do with that.

847
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:51,130
And the fact that you have already got a lot of comments from the DRC,

848
01:11:51,130 --> 01:11:57,150
just really propelled this initial design to where we're at.

849
01:11:57,150 --> 01:12:05,590
I had many pages of notes, and you hit just about everything, obviously, there are lingering

850
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:16,110
traffic questions that I have, but in some technical stuff, but nothing to belabor here at this opening session.

851
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:19,250
Sarah, one of the things through you was to chair, one of the things that's really important.

852
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:20,670
You hit a keyword future.

853
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:25,810
Everything that's been put into this plan is not designed to put 2029.

854
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:29,250
This is designed for 2059 and 2079.

855
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:32,530
This is a at least 70-year project.

856
01:12:32,690 --> 01:12:34,310
This is probably a hundred-year project.

857
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:37,490
The town of Medway, based on the way this committee has

858
01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:41,170
forward thought, the way the design team is forward thought on this,

859
01:12:41,490 --> 01:12:44,250
will not likely be coming back 30 years from now and saying,

860
01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:45,450
hey, we need to do something different.

861
01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:46,710
We need to change this.

862
01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:50,150
Every bit of this was built with the future in mind,

863
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:52,790
whether it's regional services, whether it's dispatch,

864
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:58,670
fire, town hall services, training, meetings, meetings, meetings, meetings, everything was built

865
01:12:58,670 --> 01:12:59,130
for the future.

866
01:12:59,430 --> 01:13:03,750
So some of those traffic counts weren't necessarily just on the number of employees that

867
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:04,350
exist today.

868
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:08,670
But they asked us to look forward and say, do a bill, though, how many employees potentially

869
01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:11,770
could you have at 2038 or 2040?

870
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:12,690
And we did that.

871
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:17,690
And we, in quite frankly, were well-staffed today, but we had some level of potential growth,

872
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:19,910
particularly in police and fire, and those were identified.

873
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:25,250
And the buildings themselves are designed to accommodate all of that as of day one.

874
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:33,350
I also think it's important to recognize that Doran, where do you, you know, they conducted

875
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:40,870
meetings of at the, their house where the community participated in a lot of the feedback.

876
01:13:41,610 --> 01:13:48,890
I think it's important that architects listen and I mean clearly you did as we look at this

877
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:54,570
And you interloved on the DRC meeting last fall, right?

878
01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:56,530
One of those members did.

879
01:13:56,690 --> 01:13:58,790
They have been paying attention all along.

880
01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:02,730
Thank you for paying attention.

881
01:14:03,710 --> 01:14:06,990
Anybody else have any more questions before we go to the public?

882
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:10,330
Anybody have any questions from the public?

883
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:10,950
Paul?

884
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:18,110
Yeah, why don't we have you line up with the microphones,

885
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:19,710
whichever is closest to you,

886
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:26,230
And we'll just one question at a time, and we'll move through this as quickly as we can.

887
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:28,710
And I will try and speak quickly.

888
01:14:29,070 --> 01:14:31,650
Paul York is seven independent slain.

889
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:35,110
These are questions for your traffic.

890
01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:44,930
You indicated in the presentation that there are 484 proposed trips.

891
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:59,890
Did you take into consideration that the movement and consolidation of all of these town services, which is very important, will actually create more trips than based upon

892
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:02,460
The history of trips.

893
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:13,810
Yes. So with our trips, we're looking at not just employees, but based on the size of number

894
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:21,090
employees, how many trips does a town hall or state office create? So it's not just looking at the employees

895
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:28,390
totally, but looking at based on employees, what size building does that create? What size trip does that create?

896
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:32,430
That's kind of the, what these trip generation

897
01:15:32,430 --> 01:15:34,050
main use codes do.

898
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:38,010
So I think what Paul's asking that was if the police station generates a

899
01:15:38,010 --> 01:15:43,970
100 trips and the fire station is 300 and town hall is 100 that

900
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:49,230
total number aggregated into one place is that any different or is that something

901
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:52,290
that needs to be calculated differently?

902
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:53,070
Is that what you're asking?

903
01:15:53,250 --> 01:15:58,210
Well for an example, we're meeting right now at a middle school.

904
01:15:58,210 --> 01:16:07,370
When this building with this complex is built, my assumption, perhaps incorrect, is that there

905
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:14,290
will be an appropriate meeting location at that facility, has that kind of activity

906
01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:21,190
been taken into consideration when you are thinking about your traffic counts.

907
01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:22,470
That's my question.

908
01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:24,970
Yes, we do take that into consideration.

909
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:32,670
Okay, my next question is do you have a representation of the traffic signal that you referenced?

910
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:36,080
Representation.

911
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,320
Your a graphic representation of it.

912
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,220
You're talking about an emergency signal that's going to stop traffic.

913
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:46,040
Is that an overhead signal?

914
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:48,180
Is it on each side of the street?

915
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,400
What's it look like?

916
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,500
So that's shown on our conceptual plan that's included in the plan set.

917
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:58,500
that does include mass-arms across Route 109.

918
01:16:59,380 --> 01:17:00,380
It's overhead, Paul.

919
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,560
It is overhead in both directions.

920
01:17:03,380 --> 01:17:05,040
Thank you.

921
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,760
That's all I have in Nepal.

922
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:08,240
Last question.

923
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:09,740
No, no, I've got some more.

924
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,740
Well, then go to the end.

925
01:17:10,940 --> 01:17:12,520
We've got people here that talk.

926
01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:13,880
Everybody wants to ask questions.

927
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:17,820
But I think my questions are as important as anybody else's questions.

928
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,000
I understand, but the rule is one question.

929
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,860
The Paul, just please, can you follow the rule?

930
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:28,220
Ask a question, go to the end of line.

931
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:29,260
Well, that's somebody else's ask.

932
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,380
Maybe they want to go home.

933
01:17:32,730 --> 01:17:38,050
The pedestrian crossing on red pond street.

934
01:17:39,470 --> 01:17:43,190
There's a senior housing on pond street.

935
01:17:43,870 --> 01:17:47,550
We know that there is an increase in housing

936
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:49,550
that's going across the street.

937
01:17:49,550 --> 01:18:10,390
You, members of this board have raised a question about signalization at Ponds Street, and the town administrator has addressed it, is there a plan for a pedestrian signal at Ponds Street that can be activated by a pedestrian?

938
01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:17,770
That is for the rabid beacon that we mentioned, so that will, you push a button and lights

939
01:18:17,770 --> 01:18:22,430
will show for RR109, a learning driver, so it is a form of signal.

940
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:24,090
Thank you very much.

941
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:30,420
Dorothy Robinson, 25 points straight.

942
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,780
First, I want to tell you, there has been an increase in traffic on Pond Street over the

943
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,240
left through years, and they travel at about 50 miles an hour.

944
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:44,580
They have police have come out and put a sign up to control the traffic dip, it's so bad.

945
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:49,540
But my big question is, how are the fire trucks coming out on Main Street?

946
01:18:50,820 --> 01:18:54,600
They're going to come out on Main Street, make a right, and then make a quick right.

947
01:18:55,420 --> 01:18:57,860
Again, into porn street, they won't fit.

948
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:02,920
It'll be like the senior housing of the senior center where they had to redo the whole driveway.

949
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,840
That corner right now.

950
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,880
All right, hold on, we'll get an answer for that.

951
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:09,500
Have you looked at the turning movements?

952
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,500
We have.

953
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:15,380
We looked at the turning movements at the driveway coming in

954
01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:18,520
and out of the apparatus driveway, both of them

955
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,140
and going down.

956
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:21,380
So turning on is a common thing.

957
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,500
I, on one street, I have a row, which is not a big car.

958
01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:28,660
And when I go around that corner, if this car is parked there,

959
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,920
I just have enough room to get around that corner, just enough.

960
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,680
They're confident that the attorney movements and the fire chief isn't going to allow the

961
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,680
thing to move forward if they can't return.

962
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:39,960
I know, right.

963
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:43,500
If they can't fit, but if they did it, the seniors said, did they had a driveway that

964
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,080
the fire truck would make a turn into?

965
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,200
I can't speak to that, but this guy is telling me and testifying here that the attorney

966
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,560
movements work and he's going to have to satisfy the fire chief too.

967
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:58,480
And then, because there's going to be traffic lined up there because of the light.

968
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,440
So there's going to be traffic lined up on point.

969
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,520
We had emergency lights going.

970
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:06,180
We can submit a graphic that shows that too.

971
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,620
Thank you.

972
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,300
There's turning movement.

973
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:16,880
Plan sheet in the package, which shows the turning movements within the site and on to Main Street.

974
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,560
But he's going to submit an additional submission that shows the positive.

975
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,840
Can you tell her the sheet number?

976
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,220
That's what I've concerned about.

977
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:24,900
Is that corner?

978
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:25,620
It depends.

979
01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:26,840
It's very narrow.

980
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:28,920
T101.

981
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,280
Is Domino is going to be there?

982
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,480
Yes, did you hear what she just said?

983
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:35,180
I did not.

984
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,360
She number TM101.

985
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,940
So you can go on to the town's website and see it.

986
01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:43,140
M101.

987
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:43,580
Thanks.

988
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:44,180
I'm sorry, man.

989
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:44,660
Go ahead.

990
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,620
Thank you.

991
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:46,600
Meg Ray, I'm 19.

992
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,600
I just want to make sure my understanding is correct.

993
01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:53,660
We authorize that town meeting for the planning of this project.

994
01:20:54,340 --> 01:20:55,660
And the work that's been done so far.

995
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,220
But you need to go back to town meeting.

996
01:20:57,220 --> 01:21:01,800
correct. So if this doesn't get funded, it doesn't go forward.

997
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,380
Correct. So everybody here would have the chance to vote if on the

998
01:21:05,380 --> 01:21:09,980
end project. And can I ask of all other people? Everybody else has.

999
01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:16,860
I think we approved you said 7. something million for the planning. I was just

1000
01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:19,460
wondering how much is left in the budget because it didn't look like there

1001
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:25,240
were full building designs yet. So the projected budget right now is just

1002
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:31,300
under 6.9, so the expectation would be that whatever is left in that design, funding allocation

1003
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:34,760
could then be a funding source towards the new project as well.

1004
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:35,680
Okay, great.

1005
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:36,320
Thank you.

1006
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:42,740
Phil, Jane Garra, 24 green valley, I have four comments you don't have to answer them.

1007
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,620
They're allowed to first.

1008
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,300
They're fast.

1009
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:49,240
Paul, did you hear a cover grass for police cars?

1010
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:53,180
Will you be able to use the stormwater for watering the grass?

1011
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,240
What will be in the garage, are you going to place solar panels?

1012
01:21:58,820 --> 01:22:00,600
Oh, and what happens to the three existing buildings?

1013
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:02,160
Okay.

1014
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:03,900
I just want them on the record.

1015
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:04,880
Sorry.

1016
01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:06,020
Through you.

1017
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:06,340
Yep, please.

1018
01:22:06,740 --> 01:22:09,200
Okay, so let's go the last one first.

1019
01:22:09,740 --> 01:22:13,460
We actually just conducted an appraisal on the three existing facilities.

1020
01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:19,160
And there is an estimate of just over $5 million, just under $5.1 of value.

1021
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:25,740
The expectation would be to put each of those alpha private cell for the purposes of helping to fund this project

1022
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,980
So that's one option relative to those each of those

1023
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:39,160
All things would require millions of dollars of upgrade or upkeep if we were to move forward or keep those. So sales seems like a better option.

1024
01:22:41,860 --> 01:22:52,600
I'll let these guys talk about the stormwater piece, but there is a covered canopy in the back of a police station for the cruisers, the shift cruisers that would be responding out.

1025
01:22:52,600 --> 01:23:02,640
And before, when I missed two, I guess there will be solar panels on the facilities, each of the buildings has no right now.

1026
01:23:02,860 --> 01:23:03,440
Fire state.

1027
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:04,300
Yes.

1028
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,380
Fire and town hall.

1029
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,820
All three have all three buildings have a solar right.

1030
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:10,380
Yes.

1031
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:15,160
And then I don't know if we can water the grass with the storm water.

1032
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,680
There is no need for our storm water use in you.

1033
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,220
It's about all of our current current.

1034
01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:25,180
Correct.

1035
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,900
The new plans we're trying to avoid lawn mowers.

1036
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:31,860
So big y'all, so the question is about what's in the garage.

1037
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:33,280
And there is a view.

1038
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,600
There's an extra garage space for the vehicle impound.

1039
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,940
Potential overflow there on the rest of it is mostly seasonal.

1040
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,240
Seasonal equipment that would be rotated in and out of fire

1041
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,900
and the police has needed.

1042
01:23:48,900 --> 01:24:00,600
So for vehicles that would not necessarily be utilized on a daily basis, so the boat, one of the police departments, ATVs, or UTV, they might be in that extra space out back.

1043
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:06,380
So it's intended to be a really utilitarian type building.

1044
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:15,300
It's not intended to be a work zone or a work site. It's just for a storage of those items that otherwise would take a valuable space inside the existing stations.

1045
01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:28,640
And so for example, she see S-101 that actually has the sort of floor plan configuration, because I was most interested to see what the Sally port configuration was going to be.

1046
01:24:29,380 --> 01:24:34,780
And I took that plan out, saw it in and out, not straight through.

1047
01:24:37,450 --> 01:24:37,670
Okay.

1048
01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:39,690
Charlie Myers, courtesy.

1049
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:47,290
I appreciate that the folks from Heritage shared their data on 109 with the Medway team on that.

1050
01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:48,190
I do have a question.

1051
01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:54,410
I want to go to the Ponstryed Intersection and I want to clarify, based on the online traffic

1052
01:24:54,410 --> 01:25:01,950
study report, that's rated as a level of service, F is in Frank currently on the report.

1053
01:25:02,110 --> 01:25:07,310
When you were doing the turns and studies and everything for Ponstryed, sliced and diced several

1054
01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:12,730
two hour periods of turn traffic, but not a continuous eight hour period, which you confirmed

1055
01:25:12,730 --> 01:25:16,070
when you were showing your warrant list, it doesn't, you haven't done the warrant

1056
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:22,850
one test yet on that, but I wanted to ask, when you did your synchro analysis of activity

1057
01:25:22,850 --> 01:25:31,070
on 109 and then took a look at your cues for the traffic when the fire emergency signal triggers

1058
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:34,490
and stop traffic in both directions, so the trucks can come out.

1059
01:25:35,870 --> 01:25:39,910
the syncroanalysis would determine the queue whether it's eight vehicles, ten vehicles, or

1060
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:41,490
20 vehicles based on the flow.

1061
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:43,750
So there's two base numbers you can use.

1062
01:25:43,870 --> 01:25:48,570
You can use the base number which would be without the heritage project or you could use a base

1063
01:25:48,570 --> 01:25:50,470
number that includes the heritage project.

1064
01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:55,570
So my question is which base number did you use in the syncro model when you were looking at

1065
01:25:55,570 --> 01:26:00,130
your queueing studies because that has a bearing on completely blocking pond street and

1066
01:26:00,130 --> 01:26:02,150
exacerbating the level of service F?

1067
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:11,550
In our traffic study, we report our cues for all existing, the no-build, the future condition and then future with projects.

1068
01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:16,610
Do you're confirming the heritage numbers of the four and five hundred vehicles were included in your central?

1069
01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:26,890
Yes, so in our traffic study, what we call our no-build condition, it does include the volumes that were portrayed in the heritage on main traffic study.

1070
01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:27,890
It does not.

1071
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:29,050
It does.

1072
01:26:29,370 --> 01:26:29,410
It does.

1073
01:26:29,410 --> 01:26:29,730
He does.

1074
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:35,430
It only excludes this project as the no build.

1075
01:26:36,190 --> 01:26:37,750
What other things are being built?

1076
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:38,870
So including the hearing.

1077
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:45,870
The question, the Qing is an important part of the puzzle because if the Qing of the apparatus

1078
01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:50,370
is more than one minute because frequently you see the ambulance go out and then later

1079
01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:56,450
you see the fire truck go out on call and so that Qing can double the backup distance and

1080
01:26:56,450 --> 01:27:01,770
If you get to an 800 foot mark on the westbound direction, you actually queue across the

1081
01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:09,590
midway place shopping district and even at the 300 to 700 range, you're on the eastbound

1082
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:14,690
direction, potentially queueing across pond streets, so you're blocking pond street and

1083
01:27:14,690 --> 01:27:19,870
there's no provisions for marking or exceeding there, but a traffic light almost becomes

1084
01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:24,350
necessary where the people from pond street could take 10 minutes before they can come out

1085
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:25,650
of the study just based on time.

1086
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:27,010
That's why I asked the questions.

1087
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:30,290
I think your study said eight seconds in 20 seconds, right?

1088
01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:36,450
So I think what he's talking about is one of emergency signals, what that cue looks like,

1089
01:27:37,470 --> 01:27:38,710
and in the middle of the rest hour.

1090
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:43,770
In the middle, yeah, in the middle of the peak hour, one thing that the will look to confirm

1091
01:27:43,770 --> 01:27:48,130
is that we did kind of a conservative approach, 60 seconds.

1092
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:52,670
And I think what we'll do is we'll talk to the fire chief and say, does this sound right?

1093
01:27:52,670 --> 01:27:58,410
It should have been more to make sure that that queue is, you know, what we really think is going to happen.

1094
01:27:58,890 --> 01:28:06,290
I would be stunned if that queue of that timing to get the apparatus out of the station is longer than 27.

1095
01:28:06,610 --> 01:28:08,410
I think it would be stunned.

1096
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:10,730
I read that in the report.

1097
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:20,570
I think part of the questions that I had about that is very important question because it's already frustrating to go from

1098
01:28:20,570 --> 01:28:25,250
laws through downtown as it is, right?

1099
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:28,570
So what happens when there's those emergencies

1100
01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:31,230
during the peak commuter hours.

1101
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:37,390
And sort of, I guess maybe a little adjacent to what

1102
01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:41,010
Charlie is saying is what type of, maybe,

1103
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:44,670
communications can be, or communications,

1104
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:48,770
medications can be implemented as part of it, like when

1105
01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:55,490
year jammed up at Shaws or even before Shaws to get through downtown.

1106
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:59,730
I'm going to, when we actually have a downtown, I'm going to stop doing her quotes.

1107
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:10,330
But I guess it's the perception of being jammed up for 5, 10 minutes.

1108
01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:16,110
But maybe in reality, it's really only taking like 2, 2 and 1, half minutes to get through town.

1109
01:29:16,110 --> 01:29:37,230
But I think we could, if we looked at technology, whether it's cameras or, you know, radar, infrared, whatever technology there is that's out there, recognizing that there is a long queue, runs a longer green cycle on the main road to clear everything quicker.

1110
01:29:37,230 --> 01:29:42,250
So that technology must exist and knowing what's inside of our boxes.

1111
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:49,450
I'm continually frustrated at Holliston Street when you're at coffee street and it's like

1112
01:29:49,450 --> 01:29:51,290
queuing all the way up.

1113
01:29:51,670 --> 01:29:57,950
So I know that that's something that can be fixed if we know and obviously have the money.

1114
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:59,930
Well, it's really like this.

1115
01:30:00,980 --> 01:30:12,360
Let's put it into like real life terms for a second. We just went through one of the most chaotic periods in the last 15 years, in terms of construction, all at the same time in the town.

1116
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:19,840
We've got Hollis and Street shut down. We had some of Street completely shut down. We were doing work in the square. There's also lots of stuff happening. So what did we do?

1117
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:25,200
So we actually took all of Route 126 and we shut down 126 because of the paving operations.

1118
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,280
million and then pay it while milling was at night, paving operations and we sent everybody

1119
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:33,740
down Adam Street. You know we did the traffic came down Adam Street and it started backing

1120
01:30:33,740 --> 01:30:38,080
up because the traffic took a ride on the wind trip street to get out to Maine and immediately

1121
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,480
encountered the light. So what did we do? We tried to fix that. We put a police officer in that

1122
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:47,020
intersection to stop waving his arms to the traffic on a wind trip street. Most of it was going

1123
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:51,160
left to go westbound because it had already come off a summer street and you know what it did?

1124
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,220
immediately got to the next traffic light and then stopped.

1125
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,960
So then we had to put somebody up there.

1126
01:30:56,300 --> 01:30:59,640
The reality was that the delay, from most anybody

1127
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,840
that was involved in that, was about six minutes.

1128
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,640
Six minutes and an inconvenient spot.

1129
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,820
I've seen it with Main Street Eastbound in the morning.

1130
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,820
Main Street at Franklin Street in the morning

1131
01:31:11,820 --> 01:31:14,140
will back up from time to time, and it will back up

1132
01:31:14,140 --> 01:31:15,300
back to its country lane.

1133
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:18,040
And it seems like you're sitting there for 15 minutes

1134
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,240
to get through the light, and you're looking to see what I've got.

1135
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,900
It's about four and a half minutes.

1136
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,940
And just tonight coming over here because of the massive accident on 495,

1137
01:31:26,860 --> 01:31:29,300
everybody decided to leave 495 at Hartford Ave.

1138
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,500
And the traffic on Hartford Ave was backed up from maple street all the way back.

1139
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,180
And I said, I'm not going to get it.

1140
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,180
I know there's a lot of concern about traffic.

1141
01:31:38,740 --> 01:31:40,960
There's a lot of concern about traffic lights and killing.

1142
01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:45,040
About 20 seconds tops to get the fire apparatus and the ambulance out.

1143
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,000
Usually it's one ambulance and one truck and they're right behind one another when they go out.

1144
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:53,260
So the second thing is, we hear all about traffic on one-on-one-nine today.

1145
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:58,140
Can you imagine the fun that we would have by putting yet another traffic light on one-on-one-nine

1146
01:31:58,140 --> 01:32:01,960
on regular movements, not just considering what would happen with this books?

1147
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:06,280
I think it's important that these guys get your questions answered and they bring some additional

1148
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:18,980
data back, but in real life of what we deal with right now, we're in that situation that

1149
01:32:18,980 --> 01:32:22,240
And how do you make that a little bit better?

1150
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:23,280
Thank you.

1151
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,140
How have you done?

1152
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:27,240
I just wanted to add to that.

1153
01:32:27,860 --> 01:32:31,400
Because I feel like some people in the audience

1154
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,440
are feeling like, well, when we have busy intersections,

1155
01:32:35,820 --> 01:32:38,460
we need traffic lights because they're busy.

1156
01:32:39,820 --> 01:32:42,220
Go try to walk through Westwood

1157
01:32:43,180 --> 01:32:44,460
to get to work.

1158
01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:47,060
That is the biggest traffic area

1159
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:50,140
because they have a light wherever it's busy.

1160
01:32:50,380 --> 01:32:52,340
And it's the light's causing the traffic.

1161
01:32:52,980 --> 01:32:57,000
So I think what is appreciated here

1162
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,760
is when somebody says, no, don't put a traffic light there.

1163
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:03,760
You really don't need it.

1164
01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:06,460
And this is why I really want to listen to that

1165
01:33:06,460 --> 01:33:10,320
because I don't think that just throwing traffic lights

1166
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,480
at every busy intersection is going to help anybody.

1167
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,060
I think it's going to make things worse.

1168
01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:18,200
And when you have drivers that are frustrated, they become dangerous.

1169
01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:19,680
Or stop signs?

1170
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:20,200
Yeah.

1171
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:21,580
Stop signs.

1172
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:23,400
Follow up.

1173
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:25,340
Dr. Roberts, 25 months later.

1174
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,800
Does anybody look at the beyond-constery

1175
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,100
in this section at Cottage where they make a left turn?

1176
01:33:33,060 --> 01:33:36,200
Because if they stop there, it's no way to get by.

1177
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:38,900
If it's a cement truck, or whatever, going down to valiant.

1178
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,420
And I know people, including my husband that was raided there,

1179
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,320
going at the car was only going at 30 miles an hour, and his truck that

1180
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:54,640
raided and was demolished on the back, and there's no way you're getting through.

1181
01:33:54,820 --> 01:34:01,180
So if you have the cars in a line on Main Street and somebody stops, it's just going to

1182
01:34:01,180 --> 01:34:07,000
create, I thought it backed up to Miller's name, all the way to Miller's, I'm not kidding you.

1183
01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:08,920
That's just normal bad driving.

1184
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:11,780
Someone with you.

1185
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:12,260
Someone with you.

1186
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:17,220
You're allowed to make a left hand turn on one or nine on the part of the street.

1187
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,100
Because of the traffic there, they're not seeing it.

1188
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,680
According to table two, when the crash study I read,

1189
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,140
it said, most accidents are occurring in daylight, clear conditions,

1190
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:31,000
which, to me, indicates that the traffic is the problem,

1191
01:34:32,540 --> 01:34:33,340
not anything.

1192
01:34:33,340 --> 01:34:36,400
The operator, especially when it's, you know, stop.

1193
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,420
And most of them are re-rendered crashes.

1194
01:34:38,620 --> 01:34:40,100
That's what the crash is in medway.

1195
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:40,780
I'll re-rendered.

1196
01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:50,660
It's a bad situation here too, and that this does exactly exist.

1197
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:56,240
Okay, is there any other, like online people or any questions?

1198
01:34:58,730 --> 01:35:05,870
Again, one last comment, because again, it bears repeating why this location is so critical,

1199
01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:09,210
because it is essentially the geographic center of the town of Medway.

1200
01:35:09,210 --> 01:35:13,830
In addition to those points, we were making earlier about the future of the downtown and that type of thing.

1201
01:35:14,110 --> 01:35:21,810
But from an emergency response perspective, you can't get a better location to respond to emergencies in the town of Medweit than on 20 Main Street.

1202
01:35:22,590 --> 01:35:29,270
So that's one of the main reasons that we invested in purchasing this property four years ago.

1203
01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:31,570
Thank you. Anything?

1204
01:35:31,570 --> 01:35:35,450
on line. Okay. All right.

1205
01:35:35,530 --> 01:35:36,290
Your chair? Yeah.

1206
01:35:36,290 --> 01:35:38,750
I mean, I make a motion to approve the

1207
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:44,290
TETROTEC plan review budget estimate in the amount of 24,038 dollars.

1208
01:35:45,390 --> 01:35:46,170
Through a second.

1209
01:35:46,990 --> 01:35:47,550
Second.

1210
01:35:48,110 --> 01:35:49,890
We've got a second. Any further discussion?

1211
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:53,270
Hearing none. All those in favor, please say aye.

1212
01:35:54,050 --> 01:35:54,210
Aye.

1213
01:35:59,440 --> 01:35:59,440
Aye.

1214
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:00,040
You know the motion?

1215
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,900
I'm going to make a motion to continue the public hearing to.

1216
01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:06,740
What do you think?

1217
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:12,040
That's what we have to do.

1218
01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:13,780
Oh, yeah.

1219
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,280
So peer reviews probably going to take a few weeks.

1220
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:17,560
They've got the data, right?

1221
01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:19,870
Second.

1222
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:21,850
They've gotten the data.

1223
01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:24,090
The peer reviewer?

1224
01:36:24,110 --> 01:36:25,970
I think they've got the data.

1225
01:36:26,730 --> 01:36:27,170
Yeah, no.

1226
01:36:27,330 --> 01:36:29,510
So now they can start and they're usually three weeks.

1227
01:36:30,830 --> 01:36:31,430
So September 8th.

1228
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:39,300
So you get a reviewer?

1229
01:36:39,340 --> 01:36:41,520
Can you do the September 22nd?

1230
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:52,790
Yeah, I think that works, and if they're delayed for any reason, then we can just, you know, adjust if needed, but I think that's reasonable to shoot for that.

1231
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:54,310
It's a little bit of marginal safety.

1232
01:36:56,030 --> 01:37:03,150
Then I'll make the motion to continue the public hearing to September 22nd at 7pm at the middle school.

1233
01:37:03,650 --> 01:37:03,890
Second.

1234
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:05,650
Any further discussion?

1235
01:37:06,710 --> 01:37:09,150
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

1236
01:37:09,770 --> 01:37:09,910
Aye.

1237
01:37:11,170 --> 01:37:11,570
All right, great.

1238
01:37:11,710 --> 01:37:12,390
Thank you guys.

1239
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:14,390
Thank you, Michael.

1240
01:37:15,070 --> 01:37:15,470
Thank you.

1241
01:37:23,740 --> 01:37:23,880
Thank you.

1242
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,860
Can I get a motion for a waiver?

1243
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,200
The reading of the public hearing notice for 10719 Main Street, 103 L Street.

1244
01:37:36,940 --> 01:37:44,000
So move. This is pray that you can ride the Santa Trump in the bag and deliver them to the town.

1245
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:51,360
Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that?

1246
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,000
Why do we need it all? Since we've already opened it.

1247
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:00,000
Okay, all right, so is there a motion?

1248
01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:01,320
Second?

1249
01:38:02,140 --> 01:38:02,500
Second?

1250
01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:04,440
Any further discussion?

1251
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,220
Hearing none?

1252
01:38:05,820 --> 01:38:07,400
All those in favor, please say aye.

1253
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:14,400
I'm sorry.

1254
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:18,980
Welcome to Multitasking.

1255
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:21,640
Okay.

1256
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:25,490
Good evening, gentlemen.

1257
01:38:26,890 --> 01:38:27,310
Leave it.

1258
01:38:27,850 --> 01:38:30,010
Just before we get going,

1259
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:36,320
I'm going to take a risk and not read all these rules.

1260
01:38:40,780 --> 01:38:41,220
Good.

1261
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:48,450
Good.

1262
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:53,520
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1263
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,940
For the record, Jonathan Silverstein.

1264
01:38:56,300 --> 01:38:57,700
Council for the applicant.

1265
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:09,240
You're going to hear primarily tonight on the issue of traffic, which I know is a particular

1266
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:17,320
issue that people are interested in and Jeff Derrick from VAI is here to discuss his analysis.

1267
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:21,980
I know we've also received a peer review from Shrapel.

1268
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:27,620
I don't believe we responded in writing yet, have we?

1269
01:39:27,900 --> 01:39:27,960
Oh, we did?

1270
01:39:28,180 --> 01:39:28,940
No, we have.

1271
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:29,600
We have.

1272
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:36,320
But I think Mr. Derrick will be able to sort of touch on some of the high-level issues raised

1273
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:46,080
We've also been doing quite a bit of work on the design and architecture of the project.

1274
01:39:46,700 --> 01:39:49,500
We were in front of the design review board last week.

1275
01:39:50,980 --> 01:39:59,060
I know that's not the primary focus of tonight's meeting, but I think Maxwell's going to walk you through some of the changes on that as well,

1276
01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:04,020
which we think are responsive to a lot of the comments that we've heard.

1277
01:40:04,500 --> 01:40:10,540
And I guess with that, unless the board has any preliminary questions, I would turn it over to you, Jeff.

1278
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:12,380
Great.

1279
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,440
Good evening Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

1280
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,000
Now for the record, my name is Jeffrey Durk, I'm the managing partner with Vanessa and Associates.

1281
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,380
And we are the transportation consultants for the project.

1282
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,020
And also on the prior project you heard before you.

1283
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,720
I'm not going to answer a lot of questions as a relates to the prior project.

1284
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,720
However, needless to say very close coordination

1285
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:33,820
between the two projects.

1286
01:40:34,380 --> 01:40:36,800
And I think is what you heard in this initial presentation

1287
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,520
on the public safety complex,

1288
01:40:40,180 --> 01:40:41,800
there's some coordination still going on.

1289
01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:44,480
So we talk about this project as well.

1290
01:40:44,820 --> 01:40:47,760
What you'll see is kind of an involving nature of really

1291
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,420
talking about how the two projects interact with each other.

1292
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,340
And I think important is we're looking at the context

1293
01:40:53,340 --> 01:40:55,880
of not only the traffic that we're talking about

1294
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,600
along the corner, but I think what we heard

1295
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:03,480
from the board as well as from the residents as this idea of connectivity for pedestrians

1296
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:04,000
of bicycles.

1297
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:06,200
So we are going to talk about moving traffic.

1298
01:41:06,420 --> 01:41:08,120
We had a lot of discussion about that.

1299
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:13,260
But also, as we look at the context of where this project located, it's perfectly located

1300
01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:18,200
for having dense, multifamily residential because of all the amenities we have in the area.

1301
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:23,180
But really our goal is traffic or transportation professionals is to reduce auto-mobile

1302
01:41:23,180 --> 01:41:23,820
reliance.

1303
01:41:23,900 --> 01:41:27,340
So these connections and safety, these connections are very important.

1304
01:41:27,340 --> 01:41:34,380
So, as you think about kind of the interaction between these two projects, the important thing we're looking at is not only moving traffic safely,

1305
01:41:34,380 --> 01:41:39,800
but it's also about how to safely have pedestrians and bicycles be able to use the corridor in the area.

1306
01:41:40,460 --> 01:41:40,780
Next slide.

1307
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:46,890
So I think as Jonathan mentioned at the outset, we did have the benefit of peer review.

1308
01:41:47,050 --> 01:41:50,190
peer review is from our standpoint, always makes projects better.

1309
01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:54,310
And we think from the standpoint of the transportation peer review is the same thing.

1310
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:58,550
A lot of what they've done is consistent with what you heard the resident saying.

1311
01:41:58,550 --> 01:42:03,550
What they're doing is basically asking us questions to test our analysis, test our assumptions

1312
01:42:03,550 --> 01:42:08,430
to make sure that if we're off, if there's more traffic than what's expected in our

1313
01:42:08,430 --> 01:42:11,550
traffic study, that the transportation system still functions.

1314
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:15,930
So they're kind of poking and prodding around the edges and testing some of our assumptions

1315
01:42:15,930 --> 01:42:18,110
as well and we'll be responding to those comments.

1316
01:42:18,890 --> 01:42:22,530
So I'm going to provide just a high level overview of the transportation analysis that was

1317
01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:23,110
done.

1318
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:27,990
I can get into any of the facts or figures to the extent that you want to, but as I said,

1319
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:32,150
So we're going to just kind of give a high level overview of the study and then its findings.

1320
01:42:33,150 --> 01:42:37,930
So first and foremost is the study needs that be conducted in accordance with accepted practices

1321
01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:42,410
in the Commonwealth of the Department of Transportation since those standards for us.

1322
01:42:42,650 --> 01:42:48,110
So they establish what we need to do in terms of looking at specific intersections, how we collect our data,

1323
01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:50,870
looking at seasonality of traffic council.

1324
01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:55,290
That's something that we make sure that the study was done in accordance with those accepted standards.

1325
01:42:55,910 --> 01:43:01,210
most importantly is that we work with the town so that we understand what is evolving in terms

1326
01:43:01,210 --> 01:43:07,630
of development projects in the area, the complex across the street, of course, as a part of this study area,

1327
01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:13,510
but also other projects that may be happening in this community as well as in adjacent communities.

1328
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:19,230
Now as we look at the overall impact of the project, what we did find in terms of looking at the analysis,

1329
01:43:19,230 --> 01:43:29,830
We've had discussions about moving a traffic along 109 intersections delays queuing on the court or when we look at conditions before and after the project being constructed

1330
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:41,030
We didn't find any significant impacts and when I'm mentioning what those impacts are what we're looking at is increases in delay and how those delays translate into backup or queuing at intersections

1331
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:46,690
So if you looked at the conditions today on the court or before and after we construct this project

1332
01:43:46,690 --> 01:43:51,570
what we showed is that delays didn't go up by any more than 16 seconds, and any specific

1333
01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:55,890
intersection, and that if you look at the backups that are happening at the intersections,

1334
01:43:56,030 --> 01:44:01,590
what we showed is that the backups in terms of car stacking didn't go up by any more than four

1335
01:44:01,590 --> 01:44:06,970
vehicles. So again, if you look at how you interact with the mainstream quarter, what we're saying is

1336
01:44:06,970 --> 01:44:14,050
you will experience no more than 16 seconds of added delay, and that if there's six cars or 10

1337
01:44:14,050 --> 01:44:16,190
cars in front of you today at an intersection,

1338
01:44:16,990 --> 01:44:19,530
they'll be four additional cars in front of you.

1339
01:44:19,650 --> 01:44:20,750
So that's what we're talking about.

1340
01:44:20,890 --> 01:44:22,470
And then those four additional cars,

1341
01:44:22,810 --> 01:44:24,910
getting through a traffic signal translates into

1342
01:44:24,910 --> 01:44:28,690
16 seconds of additional delay to get through that traffic signal.

1343
01:44:28,690 --> 01:44:31,010
So that's how we quantify the impacts.

1344
01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:34,250
As we look at the project driveways,

1345
01:44:35,170 --> 01:44:38,110
and we look at how motors exit the project site.

1346
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:39,810
Now, is your familiar with the site?

1347
01:44:40,490 --> 01:44:41,950
There's five driveways.

1348
01:44:42,170 --> 01:44:43,690
One, it has the benefit of a traffic

1349
01:44:43,690 --> 01:44:45,550
signal and that's where the mobile station is located.

1350
01:44:46,010 --> 01:44:47,790
The rest of them are on signalized driveways.

1351
01:44:48,230 --> 01:44:49,870
So I think consistent with what you experienced,

1352
01:44:50,090 --> 01:44:51,890
what you've heard from the residents, is that if I'm trying

1353
01:44:51,890 --> 01:44:53,790
to get out of the on signalized driveways,

1354
01:44:54,230 --> 01:44:55,170
I'm going to experience the way.

1355
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:56,910
Especially if I'm trying to make a left-hand turn,

1356
01:44:57,570 --> 01:44:59,770
we do have the benefit of having multiple driveways.

1357
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:59,970
So, more.

1358
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,080
We'll have some opportunity to choose a driveway. But if you're going out during the peak hours and you're trying to make a turn, you're going to wait.

1359
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:12,660
What's important to us is not so much how much that wait time is, because we already talked about we're not installing traffic signals one to quarter.

1360
01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:22,660
So there is going to be delays. What's important is that when we look at the queueing on the driveway, is that if there are vehicles backed up on the driveway, we need to make sure a fire truck can get in.

1361
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:29,280
So that's what you heard in the discussion with Ponds Street. So as we've designed the site, we've made sure that if we have one or two vehicles,

1362
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,180
on the driveways, which is about what the maximum queue is.

1363
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:34,680
You can still get a fire truck or ambulance into the site.

1364
01:45:35,140 --> 01:45:36,400
That's the most important thing.

1365
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:40,580
It's not about the delay, but it's about as those vehicles stack in the site,

1366
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:42,700
we need to still get emergency apparatus in.

1367
01:45:43,220 --> 01:45:46,360
So we've made sure that that is something that can be accommodated.

1368
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:47,220
Next slide, please.

1369
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:50,620
Now, independent of the project.

1370
01:45:50,900 --> 01:45:53,140
Discussion about motor vehicle safety.

1371
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,900
So as we're looking at safety, there's two things that we're looking at,

1372
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:56,860
as it relates to the project.

1373
01:45:56,860 --> 01:45:59,500
It's crashes that are happening on the roadway and then

1374
01:45:59,500 --> 01:46:00,000
cycline.

1375
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,180
So this first parameter is looking at crashes.

1376
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,100
As we look at the crashes tree at the intersections,

1377
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:08,620
and we'll talk about the intersections that we looked at,

1378
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,540
there were two locations that had a disproportionate number

1379
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:15,500
of crashes, meaning that the number of crashes that are

1380
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:17,580
occurring at the intersection in relation

1381
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:20,220
to the volume of traffic that's actually being processed

1382
01:46:20,220 --> 01:46:22,420
by the intersection is disproportionate.

1383
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,640
So we'd expect less crashes based on the volume of traffic

1384
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,220
that's going through the intersection that are actually happening.

1385
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,320
So they have a high crash rate at those locations.

1386
01:46:32,540 --> 01:46:34,540
There's another parameter that we look at as well,

1387
01:46:34,660 --> 01:46:35,840
which is a severity index.

1388
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,300
So there's one thing of looking at how many crashes happen

1389
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:41,460
based on the volume of traffic going through the intersection

1390
01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:43,120
and looking at that metric.

1391
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:44,560
But then there's also severity.

1392
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:46,720
So how many personal injury,

1393
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,560
how many property damage crashes,

1394
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:49,700
are there any fatalities?

1395
01:46:50,260 --> 01:46:54,280
And the way that that's done is you give a score

1396
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:58,400
based on the severity, so like a fatal crash is worth 20 points.

1397
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,720
A personal injury crash is 10 points and a personal injury.

1398
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,000
I'm sorry, a property damage would be 5 points.

1399
01:47:04,340 --> 01:47:07,200
So now you do a waiting of the severity of the crashes.

1400
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,760
There's no high crash locations based on severity.

1401
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,940
We do have two locations that have a disproportionate number of crashes,

1402
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:17,260
based on the volume traffic and those two locations.

1403
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,180
The signalized intersections at Main and Milford and Franklin

1404
01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:26,060
and then main in Halson Street, so the two signalized intersections basically on either end of the

1405
01:47:26,060 --> 01:47:31,240
study area that we looked at. So while talking at the end of the presentation about some

1406
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:35,500
things that we've discussed or that your peer reviewer suggested that we'll be looking at

1407
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:40,860
both of those intersections. We did do a parking analysis for this project and the parking that's

1408
01:47:40,860 --> 01:47:45,600
being provided. It exceeds what's required by zoning for the mix of uses we have. We also

1409
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,880
looked at industry standard data, so going beyond the zoning is actually looking at what is the

1410
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:55,220
demand for parking based on the uses that are there, and the number of parking spaces

1411
01:47:55,220 --> 01:48:00,420
that are provided also is greater than the actual demand that's expected for the mix of

1412
01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:00,900
uses.

1413
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:07,760
And then lastly, the safety parameters, site lines, at the driveways, relatively flat level

1414
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:12,120
roadway with no site obstruction, so the site lines are perfect one, the roadway, the far

1415
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:17,080
exceeds what's required for the actual speed of traffic traveling on the roadway.

1416
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:28,540
And then lastly is a self-serving comment is that as you look at the peer review, one of the things I talk about kind of the methodology and the facts and figures, the peer review took a no exception with those.

1417
01:48:28,820 --> 01:48:35,900
So the numbers I'm going to mention tonight about impacts in terms of delay in queuing in intersections, how much traffic are we going to generate?

1418
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:39,080
How is that traffic arriving departing at the project site?

1419
01:48:39,480 --> 01:48:46,420
The reviewers taken to look at all of those parameters and said they take no exception to what we've done as a part of the study.

1420
01:48:46,420 --> 01:48:54,840
So our presentation as well as your reliance upon those numbers is something that the peer reviewers said that they're comfortable with you relying upon our analysis.

1421
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:56,440
Next slide.

1422
01:48:57,100 --> 01:49:01,100
So now I'm going to go into a little bit more detail in terms of what we've evaluated in the study.

1423
01:49:01,420 --> 01:49:08,540
So what this slide shows here is the project site in yellow and then where you see these orange circles, that's our study intersection.

1424
01:49:08,540 --> 01:49:18,040
So, as you look at the Main Street Quarter here, this is the Highland Street Franklin Street Intersection at this end, and then it's all of the intersections and the major intersections.

1425
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:24,580
We've added the Winthrop Street Intersection, that's a new intersection that was a comet that was asked that we include that.

1426
01:49:24,620 --> 01:49:31,420
So, what is we respond to comments that's going to be a part of the updated traffic study, the Pond Street Intersection.

1427
01:49:31,420 --> 01:49:35,740
Then we have the five drive-ways for the project site with the mobile drive-way being at the

1428
01:49:35,740 --> 01:49:39,780
location here with the Nilford shopping center and then the Hollistern Street intersection.

1429
01:49:40,060 --> 01:49:45,160
So all of those intersections as well as the entire roadway segment is a part of the study area that we

1430
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,600
evaluated as a part of the project.

1431
01:49:47,260 --> 01:49:52,540
I'm going to show a slide in a few minutes that shows the distribution of traffic, so where the traffic is from the site.

1432
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:58,480
Where's it coming from and where's it going to and so that will more or less explain why these intersections are selected.

1433
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:02,900
pretty obvious in terms of I think that's what you'd expect us to be looking at, but that distribution

1434
01:50:02,900 --> 01:50:09,020
of traffic also defines a study area next slide. So this slide is a little bit more granular

1435
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:13,520
in terms of looking at the study area. So what we've done on this slide here, as I mentioned,

1436
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:18,640
it's important that as we talk about the project, we're talking about transportation, so it's

1437
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:23,000
all mode of travel. So as we're looking at these alternative modes of transportation being

1438
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:27,360
pedestrians and bicycles, we need to understand what the existing infrastructure is in the area

1439
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:32,620
there for those modes of transportation and what the slide shows here is the entire

1440
01:50:32,620 --> 01:50:37,100
mainstream quarter each of the intersections and what it's showing you with the orange

1441
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:42,240
lines is that's where there are sidewalks where you see the blue lines is maybe difficult to

1442
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:46,840
see here that's where there are crosswalks at the intersections you can see all of the signalized

1443
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:56,640
intersections have crosswalks that are part of the traffic signal system and then lastly as we

1444
01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:02,440
invested money in upgrades to Main Street and part of those upgrades include the addition of bicycle lanes out there as well.

1445
01:51:02,700 --> 01:51:11,040
So, as we look at this, what this means to us is that this is an opportunity to do that offset of encouraging these alternative modes of transportation.

1446
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:17,820
Looking at a site design that as sidewalks that connect up to the infrastructure, making sure that we have on site bicycle amenities.

1447
01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:26,360
So again, these are opportunities to us to be able to design a project and a manner that does that offsetting of use of alternative modes.

1448
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:27,860
Next slide.

1449
01:51:29,700 --> 01:51:32,520
So this slide looks at the traffic characteristics of the project.

1450
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,440
And the project really has two distinct components.

1451
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:37,720
We have a residential component, multi-family.

1452
01:51:38,140 --> 01:51:40,420
And then we have a commercial component of the project site.

1453
01:51:40,820 --> 01:51:43,780
So the commercial component has various uses.

1454
01:51:43,900 --> 01:51:48,040
So we have a restaurant, use, bank, and then a convenience store with fuel and facility.

1455
01:51:48,820 --> 01:51:51,400
What's important as well as we look at this is the board very well.

1456
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,080
And those, this is not a vacant site.

1457
01:51:54,220 --> 01:51:56,940
It is a site that has commercial uses that are already there.

1458
01:51:56,940 --> 01:52:03,760
These numbers here are what we expect to be the amount of traffic that the project and its entirety is going to produce.

1459
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:09,740
A portion of this is already out there. The mobile station is already there. There is a small convenience store. There is a car wash.

1460
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,480
There are the commercial commercial uses on the property itself.

1461
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:18,920
So there is also an offset to this. So these aren't all going to be new trips on the roadway network.

1462
01:52:19,700 --> 01:52:23,700
But what I'm showing in the far right hand column is what we've termed external trips.

1463
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:28,160
So, after the project is completed, there's going to be a portion of the trips because

1464
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,880
of the, for at least the commercial component.

1465
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,580
That we're expecting is going to draw traffic from Route 109. That's what's known as pass by trips.

1466
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:42,220
An example of that would be the mobile station that, as you're driving along Route 109 and you need to get gas.

1467
01:52:42,820 --> 01:52:50,580
You turn it to the project site, you get gas, and then you continue home, work, wherever you happen to be going. You'd be driving along 109 or Main Street, anyways.

1468
01:52:51,380 --> 01:52:56,520
But because of the gas stations on the site, you're going to come into the site, purchase the fuel, and then leave the site.

1469
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:03,820
of the same might happen with a bank so that you drive in there as you're on your way to or from work as well.

1470
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:13,740
So those trips are trips that are already on the roadway and they're going to visit the site and then continue on to the roadway wherever the trip was destined.

1471
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,060
It's a new trip to the driveway.

1472
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:18,680
So I think importantly as you look at it, it doesn't.

1473
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,980
you get away from the site, it's not new, but at the dry boy, it's a new turning movement.

1474
01:53:23,020 --> 01:53:26,480
It's a new left turn because you're not turning there today because the use isn't there.

1475
01:53:26,860 --> 01:53:31,960
So I think that's important as well to consider, but focusing on the yellow portion, this is

1476
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,040
what we're expecting for net new traffic.

1477
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:40,980
So we're expecting on the daily basis is about 3,140 vehicle trips, so that's over 24 hours.

1478
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:46,240
And that will be half of that will be going in half is going out, that's not two ways.

1479
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:50,440
don't double that number. You cut in half and half and half out. This is the total

1480
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:54,640
letter to arrive at over the entire day of the project. Looking at all of the drive

1481
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:59,420
voice, that's what you to arrive at. During the morning peak hour, we're predicting the project

1482
01:53:59,420 --> 01:54:07,720
would generate 269 new vehicle trips. It's 114 angst entering and 155 exiting from the project site.

1483
01:54:08,620 --> 01:54:15,900
During the evening peak hour, there's 274 vehicle trips expected. It's 154 in 120 out.

1484
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:23,060
the 4,292 that's a Saturday number again half and half out and then during the Saturday midday

1485
01:54:23,060 --> 01:54:29,840
peak hour we're predicting it would generate about 356 vehicle tricks 185 in 169 out.

1486
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:38,180
What I've shown in the bottom here is those peak hours. So as we look at 269 274 and 356 that's

1487
01:54:38,180 --> 01:54:44,160
over a one hour period of the day and those one hour periods in the morning it's 715 to 815 that's

1488
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,220
in the traffic on Route 109 peaks.

1489
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:52,040
We'd add 269 vehicle trips during 715 to 815 period.

1490
01:54:52,780 --> 01:54:55,620
During the evening, the peak hours five to six in the evening.

1491
01:54:56,620 --> 01:54:59,620
274 vehicle trips would be added during that one hour period.

1492
01:55:00,140 --> 01:55:02,940
And then the Saturday peak hours between 11 and 12.

1493
01:55:03,060 --> 01:55:05,400
So that represents kind of the shopping peak

1494
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:05,980
that happens.

1495
01:55:06,020 --> 01:55:08,460
The project would add 356 vehicle trips.

1496
01:55:08,460 --> 01:55:14,260
for you. Do you adjust the trips to account for alternative routes at all or are these

1497
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:14,840
gross numbers?

1498
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:20,100
So these are gross numbers. Gross numbers in two respects. It doesn't account. It would

1499
01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:26,360
say purely auto centric looking right at the project site. Every trip that's made at the

1500
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:31,980
project is, is an auto of the trip. No use of pedestrians or bicycles. The second thing

1501
01:55:31,980 --> 01:55:37,560
is there's no deduction here for the existing uses. So that's a key thing as well.

1502
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:43,760
So the mobile station existing traffic the car wash existing traffic none of that has been deducted from these numbers

1503
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:45,520
So it's kind of a worse case

1504
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:49,500
We'll look at what the impact of the project would be on the roadway network itself.

1505
01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:53,660
These numbers reflect traffic on mainstream or one-on-one only correct

1506
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:56,100
I have a question as well

1507
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:59,560
When you're looking at you're saying you're not deducting

1508
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,560
The existing traffic that's going in and out of the car wash

1509
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:27,220
But, you know, good amount of those businesses as we know are closed, so if that area were not developed as an excuse with residential, with a large residential component, but was rather developed as a purely commercial area, do you think that that would be more traffic or less traffic?

1510
01:56:27,220 --> 01:56:30,620
I mean, obviously, the peak hours would be affected

1511
01:56:30,620 --> 01:56:35,020
because peer commercial use would be more like what

1512
01:56:35,020 --> 01:56:38,200
between 8 and 9 or 9 and 10.

1513
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:39,260
But it becomes correct.

1514
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:41,220
So it would be more intensive.

1515
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,220
If you tell us, let's just say, if you took the apartment

1516
01:56:44,220 --> 01:56:46,760
component out and built everything and there was commercial,

1517
01:56:47,460 --> 01:56:49,760
or even if you reoccupied all of the spaces there

1518
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,380
with viable devices that we visited today.

1519
01:56:52,380 --> 01:56:53,480
Never in a checking business.

1520
01:56:53,820 --> 01:56:56,460
Be more traffic and then what we're estimating

1521
01:56:56,460 --> 01:57:00,140
for the project. The other thing I would say is it creates, as you said during the peak hours,

1522
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:05,460
we call it pile-on. Because you do as you have a commercial corridor that you're adding

1523
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:10,340
more commercial traffic to. So, it just piles on top of the peak traffic flows that are

1524
01:57:10,340 --> 01:57:16,320
already out there. Whereas, you look at a mixed use, there's a relationship between uses

1525
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:21,430
on the site. There's an opportunity for those offsetting loads because people from the

1526
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:51,350
There weren't symbiotic. Correct. Yeah. And you get this different peaking that happens. Yeah. So we would end up with more traffic. It was purely commercial and you would superimpose the peak on top of the peak. Just given the nature of the commercial quarter that is a state. Okay. So mixed mixes uses a benefit. And then just to add on to that with the mixed use obviously you have some additional things like transportation vehicles buses is this weekday morning.

1527
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:59,670
peak hour considering, you know, additional bus stops and traffic that's caused by that from

1528
01:57:59,670 --> 01:58:00,570
school buses.

1529
01:58:01,110 --> 01:58:01,830
So, so it does.

1530
01:58:02,030 --> 01:58:06,050
And I think this is a similar, so it's school bus traffic would be any numbers.

1531
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:11,690
One of the ways to look at this is, you know, we're talking about a lot of statistical analysis

1532
01:58:11,690 --> 01:58:16,270
and but the basis of those statistics is actually pretty simplistic in that the way these

1533
01:58:16,270 --> 01:58:19,110
numbers are derived or comes at actual part of communities.

1534
01:58:19,770 --> 01:58:23,790
And so what they're looking at is everything that we serve as a residence or community.

1535
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:29,430
So in the case of apartments, not only is it school bosses or in the numbers, but it's also

1536
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:36,950
FedEx UPS, Amazon, DoorNAS, these numbers are relatively new and that the data was published

1537
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:37,490
last year.

1538
01:58:38,410 --> 01:58:44,090
So the data that we're showing is basically everything that we currently have in our lives

1539
01:58:44,090 --> 01:58:46,650
in terms of servicing of residential communities,

1540
01:58:46,830 --> 01:58:48,210
so it's good that it's in there.

1541
01:58:48,430 --> 01:58:50,210
Impact, as ever, is like school bus

1542
01:58:50,210 --> 01:58:51,550
is stopping on Main Street.

1543
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:54,870
That's not necessarily going to be a part of the analysis.

1544
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:57,730
Any more than, like we were talking about,

1545
01:58:57,890 --> 01:58:58,710
emergency signal.

1546
01:58:59,270 --> 01:59:01,810
We can estimate what that is, but generally,

1547
01:59:02,350 --> 01:59:03,770
at least along a signalized quarter,

1548
01:59:04,150 --> 01:59:06,230
it happens during a very distinct period.

1549
01:59:06,830 --> 01:59:08,130
There's a backup when it happens,

1550
01:59:08,650 --> 01:59:11,330
and then it cycles itself.

1551
01:59:12,210 --> 01:59:20,870
So you might have a time where maybe for the next few minutes after the bus leaves you're going to have congestion, but then it's slowly kind of normalizes.

1552
01:59:21,190 --> 01:59:24,710
So the same thing happens when you notice the signal, that's kind of the same type of average.

1553
01:59:25,390 --> 01:59:31,710
It stops everything and then it flows and it may take one or two signal cycles for it to catch up, but it catches up.

1554
01:59:35,150 --> 01:59:38,830
So as I talked about the trip generation for the project, I talked about our study area.

1555
01:59:38,830 --> 01:59:59,910
It's important because as we look at these numbers, and of course they're large numbers, and everyone sees well, you know, it's 270 vehicles, 300 vehicles during the peak hour, and then you think back to what I had said at the beginning, which is the impact 16 seconds of that delayed for additional vehicles in Q, one of the reasons why the impacts of the project aren't significant.

1556
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,640
As because of what we're going to show, he's next to slides, which is known as trip dispersal. So, the traffic, as you imagine, it's very concentrated that the site, it's concentrated that the driveways, but then when it gets out from those driveways, some of those vehicles are going left or right.

1557
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:23,880
And as I get further away from the projects, right now, it's that's a peel off to individual intersections. So, you don't have a concentrated 300 vehicles going through a specific intersection.

1558
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:30,960
It's split up among the driveways and then as we get away from the site, it further distributes itself to each of the roadways we looked at.

1559
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:37,200
So what I'm showing in the slide here is the dispersal of those trips for the residential component of the project.

1560
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:43,880
So what you see on the slide here is what we look at the site is 55% of the traffic is heading toward

1561
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:50,360
the number 3 probably heading towards 4.95 to get on the interchange there. We have 45% heading

1562
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:55,220
to and from it will be the northeast on the slide here. And then you can see how it disperses

1563
02:00:55,220 --> 02:00:59,520
itself. Once it gets to the hall of some street, once it gets down to Franklin Street and

1564
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:03,640
the number 3, how it distributes it up to those intersections there. So again, it's really getting

1565
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:08,360
away from the concentration of traffic as we get away from the site. The way that we develop

1566
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:13,240
this distribution is we start with U.S. Census data. So if you're a resident of the town,

1567
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:18,740
you report that you live here, you also report where you work, and so we can look at that

1568
02:01:18,740 --> 02:01:22,400
census data for the town's specific for the residential component and say these are going

1569
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:27,720
to be residents of the town, we expect that they will generally work in the same general area

1570
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:33,180
as existing residents. So we can look at how do you get from the project site to each of those

1571
02:01:33,180 --> 02:01:37,840
employment centers and what is the best travel route? It's very simple when you think about it,

1572
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:42,880
you just go to Google, Google Earth, Google Maps, you put in, okay, how do I get to Boston or

1573
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:48,600
or wherever from this exact point, it will send you out and show you what the travel route is.

1574
02:01:48,860 --> 02:01:52,560
Not only does it do that, but it also tells you like, okay, here's alternative routes.

1575
02:01:53,620 --> 02:01:57,100
So, as there's congestion on the roadway, because that's one of the things we look at.

1576
02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:59,020
It may send you in a different route as well.

1577
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:00,400
So we look at those parameters.

1578
02:02:00,900 --> 02:02:02,280
That gives us a starting point.

1579
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:04,940
And then what we do is we look at our actual traffic counts.

1580
02:02:05,340 --> 02:02:10,540
So as we're doing our traffic counts during the morning and evening peak hours when people are going to work in the morning

1581
02:02:10,540 --> 02:02:16,240
or coming home in the evening, we can then take that Google Maps information and then look

1582
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:20,020
at how is that actually being related to traffic counts.

1583
02:02:20,260 --> 02:02:22,020
So that gives us another way of developing.

1584
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:25,220
So that more counts for localized, well, traffic.

1585
02:02:25,420 --> 02:02:28,480
And so that's how we develop the distribution you see here.

1586
02:02:28,740 --> 02:02:29,740
Next slide.

1587
02:02:30,540 --> 02:02:37,540
I've mentioned that in words, depending on peak, commute time.

1588
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:38,040
Correct.

1589
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:43,980
Right, and some of that's built into it because as you know you're if you're using ways or anything like that

1590
02:02:43,980 --> 02:02:51,020
It's it's accounting for the things that happen on the roadway, but also those congested periods and so as we're looking at it

1591
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:57,780
They said it will give you if you say all right if I start at the project site, and I need to be in Boston by 8 a.m. or something like that

1592
02:02:57,780 --> 02:02:58,880
You put that in there

1593
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,140
It generally will look at over the course of the month

1594
02:03:02,140 --> 02:03:05,960
You know what has been the best way to get the Boston if you need to be there right certain time

1595
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:12,660
So we look at those parameters as we're doing our mapping, but again, the traffic counts also tell us how people are actually using the worldwide.

1596
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:14,540
Use data from ways.

1597
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:15,660
We do.

1598
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:16,280
Sturgle that.

1599
02:03:16,980 --> 02:03:17,060
Yeah.

1600
02:03:17,260 --> 02:03:18,960
It's a very good source of data.

1601
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:26,620
So this trip dispersal is for the commercial component of the project, which is going to be different than the residential components.

1602
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:35,260
So the commercial trips given the nature of the uses with the gas station, the bank, and the restaurant use on the site.

1603
02:03:35,260 --> 02:03:37,700
A lot of those trips, as we said, are going to be pass by trips,

1604
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:40,760
so we're expecting to drive a lot of traffic

1605
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:44,300
from the existing flow of traffic along 1-09 Main Street.

1606
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:46,120
And so we look at existing traffic patterns,

1607
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,000
which are full portion of the traffic from the roadway.

1608
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:51,160
And so if we look at existing traffic patterns,

1609
02:03:51,220 --> 02:03:53,640
this is generally how that distribution lays out.

1610
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:56,960
And I think if you look at this in relation to the residential,

1611
02:03:57,220 --> 02:04:01,400
which is pretty 50-50, because that's the way the traffic flow

1612
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:03,780
is actually working along the quarter itself.

1613
02:04:03,780 --> 02:04:08,840
So that's kind of what you see here for the trip distribution pattern for the commercial piece of the project.

1614
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:11,360
So we've estimated the traffic.

1615
02:04:11,580 --> 02:04:13,580
We've dispersed the traffic under the roadway network.

1616
02:04:13,860 --> 02:04:17,980
We looked at the impacts of the project and then we, you know, developed recommendations.

1617
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:21,140
As we looked at the impacts of the project,

1618
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:26,260
a very spoken nozzle about the 16 seconds of delay before vehicles and queue,

1619
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,120
not changes the results of the project.

1620
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,100
What is important also is, as we talked about,

1621
02:04:31,100 --> 02:04:34,720
I think you heard it with the public safety complex, as well.

1622
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,560
We do have conditions out there where we have specific movements.

1623
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,220
None of the intersections over our failing.

1624
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,000
We do have specific movements that are operating at our over capacity.

1625
02:04:44,740 --> 02:04:45,800
So that's an important thing.

1626
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:47,740
So the pawn street approach you heard.

1627
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:50,020
If you're trying to get out of pawn street or lm street,

1628
02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:52,360
for that matter, we have conditions

1629
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:54,720
there where it's operating at our over capacity.

1630
02:04:55,340 --> 02:04:56,940
And so that translates into queuing.

1631
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,180
The queuing that we've seen on pawn street was about anywhere

1632
02:05:00,180 --> 02:05:02,520
from four to five vehicles during the peak hours,

1633
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:04,280
depending on the time of day there.

1634
02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:09,060
The signalized intersections are generally overall operating

1635
02:05:09,060 --> 02:05:12,860
in a good, they're operating at a good level of services,

1636
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,020
we term it, so what we're saying is that overall,

1637
02:05:15,260 --> 02:05:17,540
if you look at the delays overall, the intersection,

1638
02:05:18,060 --> 02:05:20,760
it's generally on the order of about 35 to 40 seconds

1639
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:22,740
until everybody on average.

1640
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:26,140
But each motorist or each approach experience

1641
02:05:26,140 --> 02:05:27,140
is it differently?

1642
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,360
The way the signals are set up is

1643
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:34,060
It means street operates very well, but the way that we get the traffic to flow well

1644
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:38,680
along Main Street is we hold the traffic on the side streets and so holding that

1645
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:42,460
traffic on the side streets means that left-turn movements from the side streets

1646
02:05:42,460 --> 02:05:47,420
at the signal as intersections are generally at or over the pass and say there's only

1647
02:05:47,420 --> 02:05:51,980
one move and I think that's over capacity, the rest of them are at their design capacity.

1648
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:56,500
So one of the things that we look at is, you know, can we do better?

1649
02:05:56,500 --> 02:06:00,620
And that's one of the things that your consultant is asked us to look at.

1650
02:06:01,100 --> 02:06:04,580
So we are looking at an opportunity to retime those traffic signals.

1651
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:10,420
Our initial review is you can eliminate those over-capacity,

1652
02:06:10,420 --> 02:06:12,560
or at capacity conditions, whether it's timing.

1653
02:06:13,540 --> 02:06:18,640
The reason that we've seen that that can take place is because one of the other parameters we look at

1654
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:21,240
is the volume of traffic in relation to the capacity.

1655
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:24,260
So it's called a volume to capacity ratio.

1656
02:06:24,260 --> 02:06:27,180
And what that is, as it tells us, is the movement.

1657
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:29,860
If it's operating at its design capacity,

1658
02:06:30,340 --> 02:06:32,720
is there additional capacity that can be accommodated

1659
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:34,240
by just getting more green time?

1660
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:35,920
It doesn't have to be a lot of time.

1661
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,600
It could be a few seconds, but a few seconds

1662
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:39,160
gets a moving vehicle for an intersection.

1663
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:41,240
So none of the intersections,

1664
02:06:41,620 --> 02:06:43,180
if we look at the volume good capacity,

1665
02:06:43,180 --> 02:06:45,900
a volume good capacity of one or greater means

1666
02:06:45,900 --> 02:06:48,020
that you can't put in more cars through there,

1667
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:50,060
there's no movements that are operating

1668
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:51,920
with a volume to capacity above one.

1669
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:54,300
some of them are operating with volume to capacity.

1670
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:56,380
They're only using like 30% of their capacity.

1671
02:06:56,980 --> 02:06:58,820
So what that says is that there is this inefficiency,

1672
02:06:58,820 --> 02:07:01,100
very inefficient operation of the signals.

1673
02:07:01,700 --> 02:07:04,160
So that gives us that opportunity to retime the signal.

1674
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:07,600
And move that green time around to get more cars through.

1675
02:07:07,940 --> 02:07:10,020
So we can get rid of some of those ease and apps

1676
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:11,120
that are happening at the signals.

1677
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:13,740
So we're going to be looking at that as a part

1678
02:07:13,740 --> 02:07:15,160
of our reanalysis.

1679
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:17,360
Is that something that can be dynamic?

1680
02:07:18,220 --> 02:07:18,560
Yes.

1681
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:29,980
And I think that this is kind of a step back and something that we will be doing since we're working on both projects is how do we get that dynamic operation to work.

1682
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,640
We're working a manner that works with what's happening across the street.

1683
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:40,260
Now, what's happening at time, for a commute, in the reverse?

1684
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:48,900
There's some significant opportunities here that I think that can be leveraged as a result of this project,

1685
02:07:48,900 --> 02:07:52,500
but as well as what's going across the street, to have that dynamic operation.

1686
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:59,900
So you can have the signals operating in a dynamic fashion that will take into account some of these things that you've been asking about.

1687
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:05,060
what about the fire preemption, dynamic operation allows for those kind of things to be

1688
02:08:05,060 --> 02:08:09,960
accommodated by the signals and, you know, not to be seen like long cues.

1689
02:08:11,860 --> 02:08:14,840
So the cliche thing of course we all know is AI.

1690
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:17,220
So that's what we do with these signals.

1691
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,840
And also a modern signal system is an AI system.

1692
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:23,820
And the AI system, it's not going in search of the internet for stuff.

1693
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:28,060
What it's doing from the standpoint of the traffic signals is it's measuring in

1694
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:35,780
So what it does is it looks at the intersection and it measures how many cars are arriving and then how many cars were not.

1695
02:08:36,140 --> 02:08:41,980
So if it says if I have 100 cars arriving but then on the other side of the intersection I only put 75 through

1696
02:08:41,980 --> 02:08:45,120
then mathematically 25 cars and get through the signal.

1697
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:58,040
So then what it does is it recalculates its free time to give more time because it knows I didn't

1698
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:03,380
measure. You put sensors. You were talking about radar sensor. It's what it does.

1699
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:08,520
Yeah, it's about putting more sensors out there to be able to measure info and outflow.

1700
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:13,860
So a normal traffic signal you measure info. So you want it to know. Is there a car waiting for a

1701
02:09:13,860 --> 02:09:19,300
green light? But if there is, I want to give it a green light. When you do the dynamic operation,

1702
02:09:19,540 --> 02:09:25,640
you put a sensor on the other side. So not only do I get input, but I get outplayed. And it tries

1703
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:27,080
the balance of those two things.

1704
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,640
It can also do the balancing to account for a diversity vehicle.

1705
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,500
So it knows, OK, I was interrupted,

1706
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:35,940
because the diversity vehicle went through.

1707
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:37,520
Now I get cars that didn't get strict.

1708
02:09:37,660 --> 02:09:38,940
So now I'm going to try to catch up.

1709
02:09:39,580 --> 02:09:41,140
Can you put sensors?

1710
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:47,060
Does it, like, you can have sensors at the signals for sure.

1711
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:51,220
But I think what is bothering a lot of people

1712
02:09:51,220 --> 02:09:55,080
in town is like, I'm on Lincoln Street, taking a left

1713
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:59,300
out of Lincoln Street, it's getting harder and harder and harder to do, and part of the

1714
02:09:59,300 --> 02:10:05,380
reason is because there are openings, but they're never at the same time. So you kind

1715
02:10:05,380 --> 02:10:09,820
of rely on people to be nice and see that you've been waiting for a while and like, maybe

1716
02:10:09,820 --> 02:10:17,600
you want them to let you go, but it's between these two lights that if they were stopping traffic

1717
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:23,780
more synchronized, then maybe they would be a whole, like people kind of take their left turns

1718
02:10:23,780 --> 02:10:30,100
a little bit more often. Is there such thing as sensors that can go on like those side streets to kind of like

1719
02:10:30,100 --> 02:10:35,900
let the two signals know that there's a whole bunch of people back and up on side streets trying to take turns and they can't get out.

1720
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:37,660
You could have students. Yeah.

1721
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:42,440
Right. So kind of a suggestion. I'll be discussing this with me. My colleague as well as the

1722
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:48,860
pond street situation. Yeah. Because you can do things where you can put a sensor that would say if

1723
02:10:48,860 --> 02:10:53,700
somebody's been waiting for two long because of something that it would cause a change in one of

1724
02:10:53,700 --> 02:10:58,340
in the case of traffic signals to serve a driveway or a side street, so that what does

1725
02:10:58,340 --> 02:11:00,180
this break up a little long means for you.

1726
02:11:00,300 --> 02:11:02,080
It doesn't have to be long, but just enough.

1727
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:03,680
Just enough things to get people out.

1728
02:11:04,100 --> 02:11:05,320
By the break in the traffic.

1729
02:11:06,460 --> 02:11:06,500
Yeah.

1730
02:11:06,500 --> 02:11:07,860
So you could absolutely do that.

1731
02:11:08,340 --> 02:11:11,200
And pond street is a situation where you could absolutely do that.

1732
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:15,120
And this sensor can also be dealing with the emergency vehicles as well.

1733
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,380
So there's a lot of opportunities here.

1734
02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:19,820
And I think because of the folks throwing up lights everywhere.

1735
02:11:20,620 --> 02:11:27,380
Yeah, and so what it does is it meets the demand when it's needed, but you don't have things

1736
02:11:27,380 --> 02:11:31,900
where, you know, a coin car comes up, you stop all the traffic on the streets with that car coming from up.

1737
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:37,040
But it makes sure that, hey, if the delays are beginning getting a little excessive, we do something with the signals.

1738
02:11:37,420 --> 02:11:41,620
Or if there's an emergency vehicle, we do something with, we signal with that intersection.

1739
02:11:42,100 --> 02:11:47,400
So that we're able to kind of synchronize the lights, but also create these opportunities for a great size size.

1740
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:52,080
Does it require monitoring, or is it all dynamically adjusted?

1741
02:11:53,820 --> 02:11:53,840
It's not.

1742
02:11:54,420 --> 02:11:55,380
It stands off.

1743
02:11:55,740 --> 02:11:58,300
I mean, there's central monitoring that happens.

1744
02:11:58,620 --> 02:12:02,040
So when you buy this software, there's a company you have to buy a maintenance

1745
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:02,600
description.

1746
02:12:03,300 --> 02:12:05,460
Yeah, but this is made to the hands-off.

1747
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:10,100
And so it's more or less something where once it's fine-tuned,

1748
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:12,680
it's collecting data, and then there'll be an adjustment

1749
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:15,620
period after that, but then the system is often running.

1750
02:12:15,620 --> 02:12:20,060
And you only go back as if there's something there's an issue with it self-correct.

1751
02:12:20,500 --> 02:12:23,640
Yeah, and Master OT, this is what they install on most quarters.

1752
02:12:23,660 --> 02:12:25,340
You start to see this is being installed.

1753
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:30,400
Any place where you've got dynamic traffic flow, where you need to kind of vary the traffic patterns.

1754
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:33,600
But it's also something where you don't have to constantly go out there retime the signals,

1755
02:12:33,820 --> 02:12:35,660
because there's a new project across the street.

1756
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:37,740
This is taking care of all of that.

1757
02:12:38,920 --> 02:12:39,600
Next slide.

1758
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:43,840
So as we've gone through the analysis, we have recommendations.

1759
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:46,860
the first set of recommendations is what we call site access

1760
02:12:46,860 --> 02:12:48,160
recommendations and circulation.

1761
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:52,020
I would say as you look at these these this is things that you

1762
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:54,380
was a board would expect on any good site plan.

1763
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:56,980
So it's talking about signs is talking about pavement markings

1764
02:12:57,420 --> 02:12:59,560
where stop signs should be.

1765
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:03,760
If we have no left turn at one of the driveways I think we have

1766
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:05,380
data one of our.

1767
02:13:05,380 --> 02:13:09,940
With a computer store is again this is all good site planning things

1768
02:13:09,940 --> 02:13:11,720
that you would expect to see on a good site plan.

1769
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:13,480
So I don't think there's anything unexpected here.

1770
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:17,380
Just a couple of things I want to point out is really, as we talked about the sightlines,

1771
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:18,100
they're excellent.

1772
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:23,620
But we've got a very robust landscaping plan I'm assuming, just making sure that we

1773
02:13:23,620 --> 02:13:28,840
design that in a way that we're not placing obstructions with real sight triangle areas.

1774
02:13:29,400 --> 02:13:32,500
One of the things is, as you look at your peer review comments is they said, on the

1775
02:13:32,500 --> 02:13:34,040
sight plans for all the sight triangles.

1776
02:13:34,500 --> 02:13:37,200
Because what they want to see is that you can look up a plan.

1777
02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:41,320
There's no trees or shrums in those sight triangles, so we will be doing that.

1778
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:45,350
This slide is really just intended.

1779
02:13:45,570 --> 02:13:46,590
I think you've seen this report.

1780
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:50,610
Just showing it's really out of date, but what it's showing is just our consolidation

1781
02:13:50,610 --> 02:13:51,550
of the driveways.

1782
02:13:52,050 --> 02:13:55,730
So we are reducing the number of driveways associated with the projects of that.

1783
02:13:55,870 --> 02:13:59,490
Reduce is the number of conflict points out on Main Street, which is a good thing.

1784
02:14:00,050 --> 02:14:01,630
So we're reducing the number of drivers.

1785
02:14:01,870 --> 02:14:05,770
Also coordinating a sign of pavement, marking plan for Main Street to make sure

1786
02:14:05,770 --> 02:14:07,810
recognizes where the electrons are.

1787
02:14:08,010 --> 02:14:11,850
This will be updated and coordinated with fire station because it hasn't been updated yet.

1788
02:14:11,850 --> 02:14:13,410
So we're kind of working that through.

1789
02:14:13,850 --> 02:14:18,010
And we are also looking at the proper location for our crosswalk,

1790
02:14:18,510 --> 02:14:21,050
which that we're also doing with the public safety complex

1791
02:14:21,050 --> 02:14:23,990
as to see where do we want to have a crossing of Main Street

1792
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:27,230
to be able to make sure that people get to the new public safety

1793
02:14:27,230 --> 02:14:29,790
complex, town hall, but also across the street

1794
02:14:29,790 --> 02:14:31,810
to where the shopping opportunities are as well.

1795
02:14:31,870 --> 02:14:34,770
So that's a work and progress that we're looking at.

1796
02:14:36,490 --> 02:14:38,510
So the recommendations and off-site,

1797
02:14:39,110 --> 02:14:40,130
so the safety enhancement.

1798
02:14:40,130 --> 02:14:44,870
And so I had mentioned we have two locations that have a disproportionate number of crashes

1799
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:47,390
in relation to the volume of traffic, going through the intersection.

1800
02:14:48,230 --> 02:14:52,290
What has been suggested is that we coordinate with the town to undertake what's known

1801
02:14:52,290 --> 02:14:53,410
as a road safety audit.

1802
02:14:53,630 --> 02:14:58,670
So you may have heard of those, but what they are as basically, it's a design show at where

1803
02:14:58,670 --> 02:14:59,970
we did together with town officials.

1804
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:08,420
And we talk about, especially, please fire planning as well to talk about what's happening in terms of, you know, where are the crashes happening at the specific intersections?

1805
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:13,180
And then talk about what can be done to fix those crash patterns at the intersections.

1806
02:15:13,400 --> 02:15:22,140
Because at that signal as intersections, generally what comes out of that is signal returning, which is something that we're going to be evaluating, signs of pavement markings as well.

1807
02:15:22,280 --> 02:15:25,260
We'll also be some of the recommendations that will come out of that.

1808
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:28,880
So that's one of the things that your peer reviewer does to look at.

1809
02:15:29,020 --> 02:15:30,880
What's not in here is the signal retiming.

1810
02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:33,520
So we are actively doing that to see if there's opportunities

1811
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:36,200
to improve the flow of traffic along the quarter.

1812
02:15:37,060 --> 02:15:37,380
I'm sorry.

1813
02:15:38,460 --> 02:15:40,020
Transportation to be in management measures.

1814
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:42,380
So this is a part of the project and these are things

1815
02:15:42,380 --> 02:15:44,880
that we will be doing to encourage the residents

1816
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,020
and also the employees to potentially use

1817
02:15:47,020 --> 02:15:48,460
alternative modes of transportation,

1818
02:15:49,220 --> 02:15:50,920
walking, biking, public transportation,

1819
02:15:51,740 --> 02:15:53,320
or all opportunities we want to make sure

1820
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:56,080
they're all aware of what these opportunities are.

1821
02:15:56,120 --> 02:15:58,020
And then, of course, as we look at the design of the site,

1822
02:15:58,080 --> 02:16:01,100
to make sure it's designed to accommodate access

1823
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:02,400
to these modes of transportation.

1824
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:04,280
Definitely, can I interpret again?

1825
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:08,380
Can you make any connections with Gatra?

1826
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:09,060
Yes.

1827
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:09,280
OK.

1828
02:16:09,660 --> 02:16:09,980
Thank you.

1829
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,140
I think that that's very important for us to do that.

1830
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:14,200
We've done that on a few projects.

1831
02:16:14,460 --> 02:16:16,100
And they've been open to doing it.

1832
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,780
They do have some requirements in terms of if they were

1833
02:16:18,780 --> 02:16:21,140
to establish a bus stop of what they want to see.

1834
02:16:21,140 --> 02:16:26,160
So we just generally is we want to cut out for a bus stop because we don't want the bus stopping on Main Street

1835
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:31,460
We want a little pull off, but that's something they used to have a stop at driverage crossing. Yes.

1836
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:32,540
Thank you.

1837
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:33,020
Thank you.

1838
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:37,740
I just looked down there and we're being generally showing the middle school and the middle school.

1839
02:16:37,780 --> 02:16:38,280
Oh, that's right.

1840
02:16:38,460 --> 02:16:39,600
Do you move through here?

1841
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:41,120
Um, post office.

1842
02:16:41,420 --> 02:16:42,340
And then our folks.

1843
02:16:42,700 --> 02:16:44,580
Or you can't reach out to us.

1844
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:45,800
Or you can reach out to us.

1845
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,160
Or you can reach out to us.

1846
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:53,780
So they basically carpool to the transition in March.

1847
02:16:54,380 --> 02:16:55,880
That weighs on M.P.T.A.

1848
02:16:55,880 --> 02:16:58,980
Yeah, you can park here and then get picked up.

1849
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:01,720
And then get to the training center.

1850
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:03,340
That's a section that more of a transition.

1851
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:06,400
Yeah, I think it's the, you know, having dense multi-family

1852
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:08,080
at this location is something that obviously

1853
02:17:08,560 --> 02:17:10,420
it's a lot of riders in one location.

1854
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:11,940
That might give them an opportunity

1855
02:17:11,940 --> 02:17:14,140
to be able to make it offset some of the costs.

1856
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:16,840
I know they've been, I think it's fair free.

1857
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,240
And it's very extreme June of the 27th, yes.

1858
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:22,840
So it's certainly an opportunity for them

1859
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:24,820
to get more ridership as well.

1860
02:17:25,900 --> 02:17:28,360
So next steps in terms of what we need to do,

1861
02:17:28,380 --> 02:17:30,500
we need to respond to the peer review letter.

1862
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:33,460
One of the things, so we're actively doing that,

1863
02:17:33,480 --> 02:17:35,520
as I mentioned, one of the things that they'd ask is,

1864
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:37,220
or actually the town it asks as well,

1865
02:17:37,540 --> 02:17:39,020
that we look at that additional intersection.

1866
02:17:39,640 --> 02:17:41,120
So we have to undertake traffic counts,

1867
02:17:41,260 --> 02:17:42,700
which have all been done at that intersection,

1868
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:43,840
and we're analyzing it.

1869
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:49,580
We're expecting that next week, we will issue that letter, so we'll have all of the information

1870
02:17:49,580 --> 02:17:54,640
I talked about tonight, updated, respond to all of the comments that were provided as a part

1871
02:17:54,640 --> 02:17:58,560
of the peer review, including adding that intersection, looking at retirement, the traffic

1872
02:17:58,560 --> 02:18:03,480
signals, and then delivering, it'll be an updated traffic study with a response letter and that

1873
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:09,620
will come in next week, so I think as you're thinking about next meetings, hopefully that will

1874
02:18:09,620 --> 02:18:13,820
get a time for the peer review to digest what we submitted and then be able to report back

1875
02:18:13,820 --> 02:18:16,660
to open it that we've cleaned up all of your outstanding items.

1876
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:17,600
It's not.

1877
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:17,800
It's not.

1878
02:18:17,800 --> 02:18:17,940
It's not.

1879
02:18:18,940 --> 02:18:19,240
Yes.

1880
02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:20,060
Yes.

1881
02:18:20,060 --> 02:18:23,840
And that's why it's, again, great to have another professional on your side

1882
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:24,820
that's looking at it.

1883
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:28,060
So you can ask me questions, but also ask them questions on it as well.

1884
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:30,120
We're going to have the public ask question.

1885
02:18:30,700 --> 02:18:31,580
You're ready for that.

1886
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:32,020
Absolutely.

1887
02:18:35,500 --> 02:18:36,360
Do you mind that?

1888
02:18:36,500 --> 02:18:40,080
Do you prefer to maybe go through the remainder of the presentation?

1889
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:47,140
Let's do traffic first while everybody's got their brain on.

1890
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:50,620
I'm sorry.

1891
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:56,920
I want them to address it first.

1892
02:18:58,040 --> 02:18:58,520
Okay.

1893
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:01,120
I want you guys introduce yourselves.

1894
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:08,420
So Patrick Bradley, the chat wants you there.

1895
02:19:08,580 --> 02:19:09,040
Just for the record.

1896
02:19:09,500 --> 02:19:12,060
So we did submit the traffic view letter.

1897
02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:14,540
Jeff kind of touched upon a bunch of the points.

1898
02:19:14,540 --> 02:19:17,460
Do you guys are our consultants who we have on that?

1899
02:19:17,880 --> 02:19:17,920
Yes.

1900
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:18,440
Yes.

1901
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:18,840
Do you?

1902
02:19:18,860 --> 02:19:21,780
Does this matter be the letter that I'm being addressing?

1903
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:22,600
So, okay.

1904
02:19:23,380 --> 02:19:26,200
So, you were hired by Tetra Tech?

1905
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:27,280
Yes.

1906
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:28,320
Yes.

1907
02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:31,840
I'm sorry.

1908
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:34,440
I just want to give everybody context as to who you are.

1909
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:36,720
You represent the town's interest.

1910
02:19:37,320 --> 02:19:37,720
Yes.

1911
02:19:37,860 --> 02:19:37,940
Yes.

1912
02:19:37,940 --> 02:19:38,400
We're interested in you.

1913
02:19:38,400 --> 02:19:39,940
We're interested in you.

1914
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:41,120
Yes.

1915
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:46,720
basically evaluate what they're saying, give feedback and then make sure that we're protected.

1916
02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:48,960
So we review the study.

1917
02:19:49,180 --> 02:19:50,320
You know, we compare it to industry standards.

1918
02:19:50,980 --> 02:19:52,080
You know, check their math.

1919
02:19:52,320 --> 02:19:54,220
I don't want to know what standards that is.

1920
02:19:54,380 --> 02:19:58,440
So mass DOT guidelines for truck reporting.

1921
02:19:58,880 --> 02:19:59,700
It's mostly a lot.

1922
02:20:00,060 --> 02:20:00,080
Yeah.

1923
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:00,760
And they know it.

1924
02:20:00,900 --> 02:20:08,500
But the people here, we want to make sure they understand that you know what you're doing and that you represent us.

1925
02:20:08,500 --> 02:20:08,680
Yeah.

1926
02:20:08,820 --> 02:20:09,140
Of course.

1927
02:20:10,300 --> 02:20:22,860
So I can do a quick run through, he kind of went through a lot of the points that we did in our report and we obviously don't have the review letter from them back for their responses, but I can kind of go through real quick just to not.

1928
02:20:23,060 --> 02:20:25,340
You concerned about your hit those.

1929
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:35,860
Yes, so one of the main concerns was some of the crash data that was noticed at some two intersections, the main street at Milford Franklin and Hawkson, they already said they were going to look into

1930
02:20:38,020 --> 02:20:43,280
as well as recommended RSAs for those locations as well, just to look and to see if there's

1931
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:46,140
anything that can be done to mitigate some of those crashes.

1932
02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:51,780
One of the other main points was with some of the background developments.

1933
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:55,960
So they looked at some background developments, one of which being the municipality project across

1934
02:20:55,960 --> 02:20:57,280
the street from their project.

1935
02:20:58,180 --> 02:21:03,260
At the time of the study, they indicated that traffic from that site would be minimal and

1936
02:21:03,260 --> 02:21:07,860
was not included within the study, but since the location is directly opposite of one of

1937
02:21:07,860 --> 02:21:11,640
the driveway, especially the residential driveway, and with the potential implementation

1938
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:16,980
of a signal that can stop traffic in that area, we would just want to have that also included

1939
02:21:16,980 --> 02:21:22,920
in the analysis. The traffic from that site as well as any mitigation from the site, including

1940
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:28,620
any signals that might stop traffic along Main Street. We would want that to be included as well.

1941
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:34,560
Winthrop Street was also another one that original location was not included with the study.

1942
02:21:34,980 --> 02:21:39,640
They're now they got data for there. They're doing analysis. So we want to take a look at that as well.

1943
02:21:40,380 --> 02:21:44,360
To go through that, just to make sure that there's no issues in terms of level service.

1944
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:49,700
And as well as the distribution of traffic, see if there's any traffic that would be disputed on to Winthrop.

1945
02:21:49,940 --> 02:21:52,340
Now that they have data for that intersection.

1946
02:21:54,500 --> 02:22:00,020
And then, yeah, just mostly looking at single timing changes for some of the signals, as they

1947
02:22:00,020 --> 02:22:05,940
noted that some, especially like, Millford Street had high cues for turning left off of

1948
02:22:05,940 --> 02:22:08,900
Millford Street, so looking at that intersection to see if there's any changes that can be done

1949
02:22:08,900 --> 02:22:09,780
or signal timing changes.

1950
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:13,900
So, a lot of the points that they had already brought up in the presentation here are points

1951
02:22:13,900 --> 02:22:14,940
that we had made up in our study.

1952
02:22:15,620 --> 02:22:22,020
So, once we get their study comments back, we can provide more context and more analysis

1953
02:22:22,020 --> 02:22:22,640
on our end.

1954
02:22:23,500 --> 02:22:23,640
Okay.

1955
02:22:23,980 --> 02:22:24,220
Great.

1956
02:22:24,400 --> 02:22:24,840
Thank you.

1957
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:25,060
Yeah.

1958
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:25,340
Thanks.

1959
02:22:26,140 --> 02:22:26,640
I got a question.

1960
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:27,840
Sure, go on.

1961
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:29,960
For earlier tonight when we talked about-

1962
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:38,580
The deployment of a traffic signal. We talked about there were criteria. I think we called them Warrens. Yes. And then the approving body was, I think, nasty OT.

1963
02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:54,420
So the, because so nasty OT sets criteria. I mean, I think that's what the chair was kind of asking as well as what is the criteria. So we followed the standards that the Department of Transportation sets.

1964
02:22:54,420 --> 02:23:00,380
This is a town road, even though it's a state number of the route, so it is under town control.

1965
02:23:00,900 --> 02:23:11,320
Mass DOT's guidance says that they prefer and their preferences that you need signal warrant 1 in order to warrant a signal on a state highway.

1966
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:15,640
This is a state number of route, but it's under town jurisdiction.

1967
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:22,240
So as you're looking at those criteria, we have warranted signals that don't need warrant 1.

1968
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:26,900
So one, as you saw, is one of nine warrants that are looked at.

1969
02:23:27,580 --> 02:23:30,680
It's the most stringent of all of the nine warrants.

1970
02:23:30,860 --> 02:23:32,200
It's the most difficult to meet.

1971
02:23:32,380 --> 02:23:35,760
And so what they're doing, as you heard, is that they don't have signals everywhere.

1972
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:38,640
So warrants, one, is the most difficult warrant to meet.

1973
02:23:38,860 --> 02:23:42,320
And you basically have to have a certain volume of traffic in the case of pondsry.

1974
02:23:42,740 --> 02:23:45,080
You have to have certain volume of traffic coming down pondsry,

1975
02:23:45,260 --> 02:23:50,500
for a continuous eight hours of the day in relation to the volume of traffic on Main Street.

1976
02:23:50,500 --> 02:23:55,780
That is a very hard standard to meet, especially when it's residential or senior.

1977
02:23:56,340 --> 02:23:57,680
It's not generating a lot of traffic.

1978
02:23:58,340 --> 02:24:01,440
You have to pump every hour for eight hours of the day.

1979
02:24:01,620 --> 02:24:03,440
There has to be at least 100 vehicles.

1980
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:06,840
Every single hour for eight hours coming down that street.

1981
02:24:07,500 --> 02:24:08,780
It does not have that volume.

1982
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:11,780
So it's not going to meet more of one.

1983
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:16,780
It may meet some of the other words that you saw on the slide that was there.

1984
02:24:16,780 --> 02:24:20,640
So, when we're not, you take those all in a consideration.

1985
02:24:21,240 --> 02:24:22,380
So, it's not hard and fast.

1986
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,700
D-O-Mask, D-O-T says we want you to need warm one.

1987
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:27,700
But there may be instances where a signal is needed

1988
02:24:27,700 --> 02:24:29,160
for one of those affords.

1989
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:33,980
As long as you need a warrant under federal criteria,

1990
02:24:34,280 --> 02:24:35,800
you can install a traffic signal.

1991
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:37,900
Mask D-O-T just says, if you're on a state highway,

1992
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:41,400
warm one, you're not going to say no, we have met other warts.

1993
02:24:41,580 --> 02:24:44,220
We've met warrant two, which means you only have to meet

1994
02:24:44,220 --> 02:24:45,980
that volume for four hours of the day.

1995
02:24:45,980 --> 02:24:51,880
and it happened to be for a facility that was generating a large number of track-to-trailers.

1996
02:24:52,460 --> 02:24:57,620
And so we made the argument of saying, this is a public safety issue because having a track-to-trailer

1997
02:24:57,620 --> 02:25:02,900
trying to make a left-hand turn from an unsignalized intersection across four lanes of traffic going

1998
02:25:02,900 --> 02:25:07,980
50 miles an hour, nobody wants that, but we don't meet more at one, but we do meet more at two,

1999
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:13,620
being signal, the signal was installed. So it's preferred, as you meet more at one,

2000
02:25:13,620 --> 02:25:20,980
But you need to look at all the warrants, and there may be a safety reason why a signal is justified for one of those other warrants, and you make the case for that.

2001
02:25:21,500 --> 02:25:21,520
Okay.

2002
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:22,240
Thank you.

2003
02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:24,760
Relative to the signal timing.

2004
02:25:25,340 --> 02:25:27,260
I was wondering if there's criteria for that.

2005
02:25:27,460 --> 02:25:31,540
And also I think we talked about what I would consider maybe like a technology enhancement.

2006
02:25:31,540 --> 02:25:38,600
If you were to use like dynamic capabilities to assess traffic, is there criteria associated with that?

2007
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:52,080
So, the signal timing you can do any time, it's recommended that it's done every year, and you're supposed to review the signal timing to have the volume of traffic and see if there's a need to make the adjustments of the signal, but no department transportation has money to do that.

2008
02:25:52,500 --> 02:26:03,680
So they really, in, in, at least the commonwealth, they rely upon private development projects like this. You go in, you add traffic. You should look at the signal timing to see if it accommodates the increased volume, but also change in traffic patterns.

2009
02:26:04,360 --> 02:26:09,880
There's no real criteria, you know, it's good practice that you review the signals to see if they're needed.

2010
02:26:10,540 --> 02:26:17,140
In terms of adding dynamic operation, it's really a cost-related item.

2011
02:26:17,320 --> 02:26:22,960
So it's really is there a benefit that outweighs the cost to installing the dynamic system.

2012
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:24,920
And so that's really a cost-benefit analysis.

2013
02:26:26,020 --> 02:26:29,720
A modern traffic signal controller, you can, you can re-time it.

2014
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:32,860
You can put the appropriate sensors and have it operate appropriately.

2015
02:26:32,860 --> 02:26:37,740
When you start looking at dynamic operation, dynamic operation, really, you look at that

2016
02:26:37,740 --> 02:26:41,580
on quarters that experience significance fluctuations of traffic.

2017
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:46,680
So you look at that, like a quarter that is a shopping center on it, or something where

2018
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:49,360
you've got, you know, a traffic going to the beach.

2019
02:26:49,540 --> 02:26:55,080
So we have dynamic systems, any place that does a shopping center generally on the major quarters

2020
02:26:55,080 --> 02:26:59,600
like going to, you know, if you're in any of the beach communities, because you don't want

2021
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:04,440
time the traffic signals every time it's summer time or for the Christmas season. So the dynamic

2022
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:10,580
operation allows that to adjust without having to go out and intervene. So it can be done

2023
02:27:10,580 --> 02:27:15,780
here. You can either be in enhanced traffic signals here or we could go or it could be a full

2024
02:27:15,780 --> 02:27:18,320
dynamic system where you are doing full AI.

2025
02:27:18,760 --> 02:27:20,220
Okay, thank you.

2026
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,580
Yeah, one quick fall off. So this study along with the previous study from here on your

2027
02:27:28,580 --> 02:27:34,540
colleagues. Corporate's both projects being complete and fully occupied at some point as a baseline.

2028
02:27:34,940 --> 02:27:35,360
Is that correct?

2029
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:44,140
So the study you heard presented tonight before this one includes both projects. This study that when we respond to the comments will include both projects.

2030
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:50,240
So the initial response before we were on board for the safety complex was we don't know what's going on over there.

2031
02:27:50,340 --> 02:27:55,480
We know it's a safety complex may not generate more traffic than the one percent growth that we use.

2032
02:27:55,480 --> 02:27:58,880
Now we know the actual traffic, the 1% growth is not appropriate.

2033
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:03,020
When you know there's a specific project, it's right across the street.

2034
02:28:03,340 --> 02:28:06,300
You know, it's traffic is going to generate, you add that traffic's project.

2035
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:09,880
The 1% growth is supposed to take into account things you don't know about.

2036
02:28:10,760 --> 02:28:14,300
So that was going to be my full question on the growth factor.

2037
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:20,360
Talk about Accompletion, fully occupied, fully up and running, fully staffed.

2038
02:28:21,400 --> 02:28:23,040
Is it 1% growth per year?

2039
02:28:24,340 --> 02:28:36,460
So the way that we were developing on ADIS, it's compounded annually and so the way that we look at the numbers we started in our case it was the year 2025 was our existing condition because that's when we did the study.

2040
02:28:37,060 --> 02:28:44,540
So then we grow those numbers 1% per year 7 years into the future. So in the case of our study we're looking at the year 2032.

2041
02:28:44,540 --> 02:28:51,700
So we grow 20, 25, 1% per year for seven years, and then we add traffic from any projects

2042
02:28:51,700 --> 02:28:54,360
in the area on top of that one percent growth.

2043
02:28:55,300 --> 02:28:56,860
So it's really 1% growth.

2044
02:28:56,880 --> 02:29:01,560
This was to account for external development, not developing this happening within the study

2045
02:29:01,560 --> 02:29:01,840
area.

2046
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:03,400
It's supposed to be just to account for it.

2047
02:29:03,460 --> 02:29:08,320
Typically, describe it as, you know, if we look at right now someone that lives with

2048
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:12,500
you is 12 or 13 and maybe seven years they're going to have the driver's license.

2049
02:29:12,500 --> 02:29:17,120
more than likely, well, to have a car, they're not driving today, but they would be in the future.

2050
02:29:17,320 --> 02:29:21,500
So the 1% growth accounts for that because if you don't approve any more projects, you're still

2051
02:29:21,500 --> 02:29:26,840
going to have an increased automobile people driving. So that's what the 1% growth accounts for

2052
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:31,280
things like that. But we also need to account for projects. So if we know this project, you've put

2053
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:42,460
that number in. You know, as of today or the reason. So the final, the final study will be,

2054
02:29:43,900 --> 02:29:49,400
The state sets our horizon at seven years, it used to be five years, so it looks at seven years,

2055
02:29:49,580 --> 02:29:54,680
and the reason it was adjusted and it counts for going through this process, getting approval

2056
02:29:54,680 --> 02:29:59,600
two years the build, and then when we're talking about improvements, it gives it five years of life.

2057
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,040
So, they used to just do five years and they said, nope, two years for permitting construction. And then five years to make sure any improvements last at least five years.

2058
02:30:09,300 --> 02:30:09,880
Thank you.

2059
02:30:13,800 --> 02:30:15,400
The questions on we,

2060
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:20,700
how about on the computer?

2061
02:30:22,180 --> 02:30:23,180
Probably not good.

2062
02:30:23,660 --> 02:30:25,260
All right, does it probably do you have please go ahead?

2063
02:30:26,320 --> 02:30:31,460
Meg Ray-Rauer, 19-Garzy Street. Can you, how much, what was the total ADT for the whole project?

2064
02:30:38,220 --> 02:30:44,280
So, the new traps will be 3,000, or 140 on a weekday, and that's half on half out.

2065
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:49,820
So, have you done an analysis under Mayba, if you have any requirements for filing under the state, or permitting there?

2066
02:30:50,120 --> 02:30:56,860
So, right now we don't have any. There's no from a traffic or a traffic or a traffic or a traffic or a traffic, because we're on a local roadway.

2067
02:30:56,980 --> 02:31:00,680
There's no state action. So, that's a state road, isn't it?

2068
02:31:00,760 --> 02:31:03,300
It's a state number route. But it's not a state route.

2069
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:06,240
But it's not under DOC jurisdiction. So, there's a distinction.

2070
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:10,040
So as we're looking at you, but you have to have a state action correct.

2071
02:31:10,380 --> 02:31:14,700
Yeah, so the state action, at least from a transportation perspective, it would be a mass

2072
02:31:14,700 --> 02:31:15,380
DOT permit.

2073
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:22,600
But the other thing is, as I mentioned, is the sort of 3,000, 140, you did adopt a traffic

2074
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:24,920
from the excuses that are on the site, so that number...

2075
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:26,180
Really, are there any...

2076
02:31:26,180 --> 02:31:27,220
Well, they're all...

2077
02:31:27,220 --> 02:31:28,920
I mean, there's other excuses that are on the site.

2078
02:31:29,080 --> 02:31:30,060
There's a car wash.

2079
02:31:30,140 --> 02:31:30,700
Just a chair.

2080
02:31:32,180 --> 02:31:34,940
I don't want to step on your car.

2081
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:42,320
We have questions and director board and then you direct your response to the board.

2082
02:31:43,560 --> 02:31:52,340
So the other question I have I brought this up at the last meeting, the rules do require that the board finds some sort of mitigation efforts with their impacts on neighbors.

2083
02:31:53,500 --> 02:32:00,040
The way the traffic flows, they're flowing most to the closest neighborhoods to the project.

2084
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:05,120
And so are there other mitigation other than just a signal for those neighborhoods?

2085
02:32:05,420 --> 02:32:07,660
Could we get signs that say local traffic only?

2086
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:10,440
Some sort of mitigation to help the neighbors.

2087
02:32:12,060 --> 02:32:15,180
So I think that's a discussion that we can have with the board as well.

2088
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:18,600
Things that might be appropriate to address kind of neighborhood impacts.

2089
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:21,400
I'm confused by the question now.

2090
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:26,420
It's one of the sort of signs at the end of each side street that comes in on one or

2091
02:32:26,420 --> 02:32:33,600
to limit the traffic that may have a ways route that takes them down, perhaps.

2092
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:38,500
This is all the in-out traffic for this particular project, off of 109.

2093
02:32:39,860 --> 02:32:42,280
And then it flows down 109 to the other side street.

2094
02:32:42,540 --> 02:32:46,200
She's suggesting that it only be local traffic,

2095
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:50,880
allowed to take a right or a left off of 109.

2096
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:54,310
Is it am I wrong?

2097
02:32:54,410 --> 02:32:55,350
That's what I'm suggesting.

2098
02:32:58,950 --> 02:33:10,730
I'm confused as to how this project would add extra traffic to those local roads.

2099
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:12,830
I think on my slides is actually really helpful.

2100
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:14,570
Please finish speaking.

2101
02:33:15,490 --> 02:33:17,630
Nope, I was in the middle of the word.

2102
02:33:18,990 --> 02:33:26,030
So, when you are going in and out of this site, you're all going in off of one-on-one.

2103
02:33:26,210 --> 02:33:31,490
There's no ins and outs as a site going off to local roads, correct?

2104
02:33:32,490 --> 02:33:40,750
So, if it was a commercial space, which it is now, and people were going in and out of there, that's the same thing.

2105
02:33:41,310 --> 02:33:47,370
I don't think this is a public destination, people live there that are local, and they may want to use the roads.

2106
02:33:47,370 --> 02:33:49,110
I mean, the world's a public infrastructure.

2107
02:33:49,790 --> 02:33:52,790
I generally don't agree with the premise that you're signals.

2108
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:53,890
No, I don't agree with it.

2109
02:33:53,950 --> 02:33:56,990
Well, there's 3,000 new trips that are going to be on 109.

2110
02:33:56,990 --> 02:34:02,310
One of these slides shows that I think it was 45% of them

2111
02:34:02,310 --> 02:34:06,450
start trickling down the side streets as it's close to the project.

2112
02:34:06,490 --> 02:34:08,550
So people don't keep going down 109.

2113
02:34:08,930 --> 02:34:10,490
They go down the side streets.

2114
02:34:12,810 --> 02:34:15,650
I mean, the area is zoned for commercial use.

2115
02:34:16,470 --> 02:34:17,310
So if it's being...

2116
02:34:19,230 --> 02:34:23,210
But it's near an area that's used for commercial use.

2117
02:34:23,490 --> 02:34:24,410
So if it's...

2118
02:34:24,410 --> 02:34:27,270
I think it becomes an enforcement issue anyway.

2119
02:34:27,490 --> 02:34:28,930
You can't just stop a car.

2120
02:34:30,650 --> 02:34:33,370
I'm just asking for some sort of mitigation.

2121
02:34:33,710 --> 02:34:34,290
That's possible.

2122
02:34:35,130 --> 02:34:37,190
I'm trying to work with the project here.

2123
02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:44,300
Dorothy Robinson 25 pawn street.

2124
02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:48,100
I agree with this Clifford that the more light you have,

2125
02:34:48,340 --> 02:34:49,780
the worse the traffic's going to be.

2126
02:34:50,420 --> 02:34:53,200
I would be very happy to have a pedestrian light

2127
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:55,900
that the pedestrian can operate at the end of the country.

2128
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:58,300
That would suffice getting across there.

2129
02:34:58,920 --> 02:35:01,880
The crosswalk is useless.

2130
02:35:02,620 --> 02:35:04,460
I've come across and had Cosby bat me

2131
02:35:04,460 --> 02:35:05,980
because somebody's coming up on the right.

2132
02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:09,200
But my question is, and I think Mr. Harris answered it,

2133
02:35:09,240 --> 02:35:10,300
but I just wanted to clarify.

2134
02:35:11,420 --> 02:35:16,200
The report I had said that the related volume increases

2135
02:35:16,200 --> 02:35:28,780
related to 2032 no build. The increase was 18 to 67 vehicles or 2.1% to 5.6% during the peak

2136
02:35:28,780 --> 02:35:33,760
hours. That seems like a big margin. I just would like that explained a little bit.

2137
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:40,380
So through the chair, so those volume increases that she mentioned is we're looking at specific

2138
02:35:40,380 --> 02:35:45,320
points on the roadway in comparing what is the net increase in traffic. The project represents

2139
02:35:45,320 --> 02:35:50,900
over the no-built condition, as you mentioned. So she mentioned, I think it was 2 to 5% or something.

2140
02:35:51,260 --> 02:35:53,820
0.1 to 5.6 in like a big margin.

2141
02:35:54,220 --> 02:35:59,980
So what I would say just in terms of putting those numbers in context is that between Monday and Friday,

2142
02:36:00,020 --> 02:36:05,400
if we measured volumes on a Main Street, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

2143
02:36:06,180 --> 02:36:11,580
the volume of traffic on that wordway will fluctuate by 10%. So that's one way to put those

2144
02:36:11,580 --> 02:36:16,660
numbers and context and that, as you drive on the roadway, Monday is going to be a low traffic

2145
02:36:16,660 --> 02:36:23,800
morning day. Fridays are generally very well. Thursday's absolute worst traffic, driving anywhere.

2146
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:29,880
So as we look at traffic each day, it fluctuates by about 10% if we measure it. So sort of

2147
02:36:29,880 --> 02:36:37,880
put in context that 2 to 5% is within weekly fluctuation traffic points. And then I want to

2148
02:36:37,880 --> 02:36:44,960
know on weekends, we're visited and put into the traffic study coming in and out of the project

2149
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:49,880
because that would create more traffic to people visiting coming and going from the project.

2150
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:56,020
So through the chair, it does and as I mentioned, the data that we use is based on actual

2151
02:36:56,020 --> 02:36:58,280
traffic counts out in the apartment community.

2152
02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:00,260
So it measures visitors.

2153
02:37:01,800 --> 02:37:02,080
Charlie.

2154
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:04,480
Charlie.

2155
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:04,880
Charlie Myers.

2156
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:08,540
Thank you for putting that you were going to do the RSA.

2157
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:10,220
I was looking for that part.

2158
02:37:10,300 --> 02:37:14,840
My focus is going to be on the Hollis Institute intersection in the addition of

2159
02:37:14,840 --> 02:37:16,880
Qing that's associated with it.

2160
02:37:17,260 --> 02:37:20,740
The number of cars you're probably looking at 100 to 150 feet of additional

2161
02:37:20,740 --> 02:37:25,720
Qing on there and an additional high percentage of left hand turn lanes.

2162
02:37:26,160 --> 02:37:29,840
It's not straight anywhere close for Qing as it sits right now.

2163
02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:29,960
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

2164
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:59,980
Markings on it, but having driven through that intersection almost every time I come through the center of town for, oh, that to go to anywhere, including Shaw's, my comment would be during the school morning hours, in particular, that traffic backs up past the golf course, the driving range on it. And that's not necessarily captured. I don't believe in all of the numbers here. And so it's something that desperately needs to be looked at in terms of the volume of traffic that that interests me.

2165
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,560
section is going to see in addition.

2166
02:38:02,380 --> 02:38:06,140
Now we talk about the, somebody brought up the additional side roads on it.

2167
02:38:06,280 --> 02:38:09,280
I'm going to add an intersection on it that's going to pick up on traffic.

2168
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:13,120
Coffee and Hollister Street and Lovering right there.

2169
02:38:13,300 --> 02:38:18,800
That stop area, we've talked about stop signs, four ways we've talked about lights.

2170
02:38:19,060 --> 02:38:21,060
We've talked about blinking lights over the years.

2171
02:38:21,160 --> 02:38:22,760
All sorts of things at that intersection.

2172
02:38:23,360 --> 02:38:25,940
If we're going to add another 50 to 70 cars,

2173
02:38:25,940 --> 02:38:33,240
going through that intersection of those that turn left, coming from this project, that's going

2174
02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:33,560
to overload.

2175
02:38:33,700 --> 02:38:37,120
It's going to have an impact on that intersection from a safety and traffic.

2176
02:38:37,660 --> 02:38:45,740
Hall of the street is already at 5% in the state for the highest traffic accidents at 109.

2177
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:54,120
We're going up in the percentile from 0 up to 8 to 0.81 for risk factors and other things

2178
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:58,360
that intersection so it's going to be a major major overall and I think you really need

2179
02:38:58,360 --> 02:39:05,340
to spend some extra time looking at that to see what the solutions are or what the

2180
02:39:05,340 --> 02:39:09,700
problems are and then I think you need to clip the follow on intersection because that's

2181
02:39:09,700 --> 02:39:14,060
the Montgomery school pick up and drop off that's a crossing guard there and then it's

2182
02:39:14,060 --> 02:39:18,340
the additional traffic in the rush hour on it. So those will be my additional comments.

2183
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:22,240
Anybody else?

2184
02:39:23,940 --> 02:39:26,220
Bill Jean Garrett, 24, Green Valley.

2185
02:39:28,200 --> 02:39:30,740
I'll do the same kind of form I did before.

2186
02:39:32,140 --> 02:39:36,200
Did you take into account the residents walking across one or nine to the plaza?

2187
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:39,980
Because they're going to have to get across a very busy street.

2188
02:39:40,220 --> 02:39:41,700
He talked about the beacons.

2189
02:39:42,060 --> 02:39:42,480
Excuse me?

2190
02:39:42,820 --> 02:39:44,660
He talked about the beacons, signaling.

2191
02:39:46,540 --> 02:39:47,780
There will be people walking.

2192
02:39:48,460 --> 02:39:48,600
Yeah.

2193
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:51,680
They push a button, not the lights flash.

2194
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:55,260
But in a traffic study, that stops traffic both ways.

2195
02:39:56,500 --> 02:39:59,120
That's important, because that's going to, that's going to be a key one in the

2196
02:39:59,120 --> 02:39:59,160
car.

2197
02:39:59,740 --> 02:40:00,920
Yes, with the simple idea.

2198
02:40:01,460 --> 02:40:07,580
And also, they're proposed 267 apartments, most units will likely be dual income

2199
02:40:07,580 --> 02:40:11,280
no kids, which probably means both people will be working.

2200
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:14,800
I'm surprised you limited it to about 250 cars.

2201
02:40:14,800 --> 02:40:20,600
I would expect it to be more like 500 cars going to work 500 cars coming back.

2202
02:40:21,660 --> 02:40:23,920
It seems like two of these 50s wait to low.

2203
02:40:24,120 --> 02:40:25,420
Can I address that real quick?

2204
02:40:25,900 --> 02:40:32,160
If we look at the apartments that were proposed, many of those apartments are actually one

2205
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:33,080
bedroom apartments.

2206
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:34,600
Yeah.

2207
02:40:35,180 --> 02:40:35,220
People.

2208
02:40:35,220 --> 02:40:36,240
There are two people.

2209
02:40:37,180 --> 02:40:38,980
And they're probably no kids.

2210
02:40:39,260 --> 02:40:39,580
Probably both kids.

2211
02:40:39,580 --> 02:40:39,940
Okay.

2212
02:40:40,040 --> 02:40:41,460
I thought you said with kids.

2213
02:40:41,580 --> 02:40:41,900
I don't know.

2214
02:40:42,020 --> 02:40:43,100
Without kids.

2215
02:40:43,100 --> 02:40:51,320
with kids, maybe one person will stay home, but with no kids, most couples that have no kids,

2216
02:40:51,460 --> 02:40:56,680
they both work. So you're going to get a lot more traffic. See that in your study.

2217
02:40:57,380 --> 02:40:59,820
I don't know what you've made on the points, kids. So that will both, I have to start

2218
02:40:59,820 --> 02:41:05,400
getting used to it through the chair. So the easiest way to explain it is that not everybody

2219
02:41:05,400 --> 02:41:09,960
leaves at the same time to go to work. And so the numbers we were talking about during those

2220
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:19,840
It's only a portion of the residents that are leaving between 715 and 815, some are leaving before 715, some are leaving after 815.

2221
02:41:20,120 --> 02:41:22,820
So there's more traffic that happens over the course of the day.

2222
02:41:23,160 --> 02:41:29,840
When we're talking about the numbers I was mentioning, that's during that one hour of the day 715-815 in the morning.

2223
02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:30,880
Is that example?

2224
02:41:34,250 --> 02:41:40,630
I don't have a question, but I did want to acknowledge that these questions about the traffic

2225
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:47,910
studies are really really good and so any of the folks that left probably due to the time

2226
02:41:47,910 --> 02:41:53,530
of night, we appreciate you coming and if you're watching on the replay and you have some questions,

2227
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:58,790
please feel free to email them right to the department, okay?

2228
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:59,190
Okay.

2229
02:42:00,250 --> 02:42:00,670
Go ahead.

2230
02:42:01,350 --> 02:42:01,810
Appreciate it.

2231
02:42:02,250 --> 02:42:04,490
Stephanie Morton, former mayoral street.

2232
02:42:04,810 --> 02:42:09,150
I'd like to just second what the gentleman from Curtis Street said as part of the

2233
02:42:09,150 --> 02:42:10,590
resident of the Brentwood neighborhood.

2234
02:42:11,150 --> 02:42:15,250
I would be greatly appreciative of consideration for that cut through.

2235
02:42:15,470 --> 02:42:19,610
That's happening in the neighborhood along Lovering Street that cuts through where

2236
02:42:19,610 --> 02:42:20,510
coffee is.

2237
02:42:21,010 --> 02:42:27,130
The back up that occurs before Holiston Street, particularly as mentioned before by the board member

2238
02:42:27,130 --> 02:42:33,230
here, Mrs. Reposa, that happens around Shaw's is significant, and I'm certain that the

2239
02:42:33,230 --> 02:42:38,150
consideration of what's happening from a ways standpoint and people cycling through

2240
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:44,390
that particular neighborhood that is significantly inhibited by young families, which

2241
02:42:44,390 --> 02:42:49,810
children would be an important consideration for this entire community as well as the board

2242
02:42:49,810 --> 02:42:52,550
as well as the folks who are considering this development.

2243
02:42:52,850 --> 02:42:54,730
I thank you for the opportunity to share that.

2244
02:42:54,730 --> 02:42:56,690
Thank you.

2245
02:42:57,130 --> 02:42:58,090
Anybody else?

2246
02:43:03,780 --> 02:43:06,400
Kevin Cronin, metal road, which is off pond.

2247
02:43:07,560 --> 02:43:11,580
People that live off a pond, they don't use pond street to go to one of nine.

2248
02:43:11,820 --> 02:43:17,120
I don't know if that's used in the study to where those people actually go to get out of the

2249
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:17,560
neighborhoods.

2250
02:43:18,220 --> 02:43:23,020
They go down to levering the Hollister to Main Street mostly.

2251
02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:27,620
They don't use pond because it's too dangerous and maybe that should be studied.

2252
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:32,720
Anybody else?

2253
02:43:36,570 --> 02:43:50,390
I guess one thing I want to say is that dynamic aspect of managing this traffic seems like it would be a significant cure to a lot of the problems that we heard here.

2254
02:43:51,150 --> 02:44:00,710
In that the more traffic we can move on 109 faster, the more likely we are to minimize any traffic that hits the side streets,

2255
02:44:00,710 --> 02:44:10,900
prevent people from feeling like 109's a clogged artery, and seeking alternative routes.

2256
02:44:11,350 --> 02:44:18,030
I agree more direct if you can just move through there, and during those times when the traffic is steepest,

2257
02:44:18,270 --> 02:44:27,850
perhaps there's a collaboration that could occur between the developer and the community to make your project more palatable

2258
02:44:27,850 --> 02:44:30,450
and really

2259
02:44:32,750 --> 02:44:39,590
alleviate some of the pain that the community feels as it relates to more growth

2260
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:41,550
and development that occurs in time.

2261
02:44:42,890 --> 02:44:53,290
I hope between the consultant and the other guy on the Yadakube, you guys can resolve some

2262
02:44:53,290 --> 02:44:57,370
of these issues and make some really good recommendations to the town.

2263
02:44:57,370 --> 02:44:59,970
It'll be cohesive, we'll make sure that it's a bit mad.

2264
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,440
Let's just up together. Anybody else have anything to add?

2265
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:12,700
I don't want anything about traffic. But I do want to bring up something that I mentioned

2266
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:19,460
at the last meeting that I wanted to see if I could get a little bit of consensus with

2267
02:45:19,460 --> 02:45:25,260
the Board members on. And that was about the possibility of fiscal impact analysis.

2268
02:45:25,260 --> 02:45:34,460
And my hypothesis was that it was going to show that this development would be positive

2269
02:45:34,460 --> 02:45:43,720
to the town, also looping in the development agreement with administration acknowledging

2270
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:49,160
the payments over time for particular impacts,

2271
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:58,640
not to tie it to necessarily any decision on the

2272
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:07,360
project, but to the forthcoming discussion about the waivers for affordable units.

2273
02:46:08,440 --> 02:46:11,080
That's where I think that I might have.

2274
02:46:11,080 --> 02:46:17,140
So in other words, if there's a better or greater economic benefit to the town, you would be more inclined.

2275
02:46:17,860 --> 02:46:31,680
Well, I would be grant away, I would be more information that feeds into why the planning board ought to grant or deny the waiver for the affordable units.

2276
02:46:31,740 --> 02:46:31,980
Okay.

2277
02:46:35,450 --> 02:46:37,690
Just tapping away, so I'm guessing he's hearing.

2278
02:46:38,970 --> 02:46:44,630
How many, sorry, can you remind me of how many affordable units do they have now?

2279
02:46:45,590 --> 02:46:46,810
I might not get off the topic.

2280
02:46:47,690 --> 02:46:52,770
And by affordable, we're saying around what rent per month.

2281
02:46:55,480 --> 02:46:58,680
What the affordable rent would be?

2282
02:47:00,160 --> 02:47:07,420
I mean, that's determined based upon the number of bedrooms, I don't know that we've done

2283
02:47:07,420 --> 02:47:09,520
in a calculation, but we can certainly present that.

2284
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,220
I mean, it just be good to note,

2285
02:47:11,220 --> 02:47:15,280
because it is relative to what your other apartments

2286
02:47:15,280 --> 02:47:17,080
are being rented as, right?

2287
02:47:17,080 --> 02:47:21,640
So, by affordable, it means less expensive than those units,

2288
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,660
but if you have a luxury complex,

2289
02:47:25,340 --> 02:47:27,540
there's a different definition of affordable for everybody.

2290
02:47:28,180 --> 02:47:29,560
Do you have anything to say about that?

2291
02:47:29,560 --> 02:47:29,780
Right.

2292
02:47:30,180 --> 02:47:31,520
The median inc.

2293
02:47:31,760 --> 02:47:32,800
Barbara, what's the formula?

2294
02:47:34,620 --> 02:47:41,380
So each year, housing and urban development, the federal government comes out with their

2295
02:47:41,380 --> 02:47:42,740
AMI.

2296
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:54,300
This is very immediate income and then you take 80% of that and that is that becomes the maximum

2297
02:47:54,300 --> 02:48:00,300
amount that a person can make in order to rent that affordable unit, then you have to calculate

2298
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:06,840
based on that, how much can they afford to pay in rent, which is 30%, and then you have

2299
02:48:06,840 --> 02:48:12,380
the back-out utility allowances. We just go through this every year with half-on apartments.

2300
02:48:13,320 --> 02:48:14,460
So there's a whole formula.

2301
02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:18,100
And they basically hire a consultant that's specialized.

2302
02:48:18,480 --> 02:48:23,620
Right, they'll have to hire a consultant in my case. I mean, I don't, they can tell you

2303
02:48:23,620 --> 02:48:28,180
what that would be today. They can't tell you what that's going to be two years from now.

2304
02:48:28,180 --> 02:48:32,800
But that could at least give you an idea of, you know, what we're talking about, yeah.

2305
02:48:32,860 --> 02:48:33,560
I mean, what are you trying to do?

2306
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:40,200
I think it would be helpful because I'd like to know, like, how many of these units are truly

2307
02:48:40,200 --> 02:48:46,260
rentable by people in this area, in people that work and live in this area.

2308
02:48:46,380 --> 02:48:49,540
Are you asking for the affordable or the market where you need it?

2309
02:48:49,660 --> 02:48:50,460
The affordable?

2310
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:54,800
I mean, before we grant a waiver on affordable units, because we're saying you can have less.

2311
02:49:02,500 --> 02:49:07,140
to get a number of data on time and subdivision methods.

2312
02:49:11,320 --> 02:49:12,760
Of like.

2313
02:49:14,780 --> 02:49:17,260
Of all of Metro Boston.

2314
02:49:22,220 --> 02:49:22,940
Okay.

2315
02:49:23,780 --> 02:49:27,440
So maybe that feeds into how we prep for when we get to that discussion?

2316
02:49:30,380 --> 02:49:30,960
I think so.

2317
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:41,740
And I think it would be helpful for, you know, just knowing because these aren't, I don't know that that's one of the criteria for granting a waiver.

2318
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:45,980
Because we're, we're looking at having less units.

2319
02:49:46,260 --> 02:49:47,700
Are reduction on the affordable units?

2320
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:48,740
Reduction of the units.

2321
02:49:48,740 --> 02:49:52,300
What the cost is is not germine.

2322
02:49:53,980 --> 02:49:57,500
We're happy if it helps, we're happy to provide that information.

2323
02:49:57,500 --> 02:50:11,340
And I will say that maybe it's relevant to the extent of I can tell you that a lot of these

2324
02:50:11,900 --> 02:50:17,840
developments, the affordable units, go on rented for a long time because of the bureaucratic

2325
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:24,280
hurdles that you have to go through just to get those units rented a lot in the cost.

2326
02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:26,800
in the corner of the person of the renter.

2327
02:50:26,940 --> 02:50:32,320
The cost to the developer isn't...

2328
02:50:32,320 --> 02:50:33,480
It's not significantly...

2329
02:50:33,480 --> 02:50:36,280
Or even primarily the Delta in the renter.

2330
02:50:37,300 --> 02:50:44,540
It's the cost of administering the lottery dealing with HLC,

2331
02:50:45,540 --> 02:50:49,700
the monitoring agent, months or years, sometimes

2332
02:50:49,700 --> 02:50:51,420
of these units going on renter.

2333
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:58,720
And, you know, some social inefficient system.

2334
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:03,380
It is, and it's, it's obviously it's a significant cost

2335
02:51:03,380 --> 02:51:05,860
into your point that development agreement

2336
02:51:05,860 --> 02:51:12,740
we sort of try to build in some of that benefit to the community

2337
02:51:12,740 --> 02:51:20,380
that is maybe a little less precisely targeted at Medway

2338
02:51:20,380 --> 02:51:25,340
When you just do it through the inclusionary drawing units.

2339
02:51:27,460 --> 02:51:28,080
Okay.

2340
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:29,300
Of course.

2341
02:51:31,620 --> 02:51:31,920
Go ahead.

2342
02:51:32,020 --> 02:51:33,460
I just want to say something there.

2343
02:51:34,520 --> 02:51:35,630
Can you just say a name?

2344
02:51:37,540 --> 02:51:37,720
Sorry.

2345
02:51:38,260 --> 02:51:38,860
Being video.

2346
02:51:39,300 --> 02:51:41,340
I was at the Design Review Committee.

2347
02:51:41,560 --> 02:51:47,040
And I just want you people to know that these gentlemen work really hard to assess

2348
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:50,520
And to look at what the community wanted.

2349
02:51:51,020 --> 02:51:53,080
And I think tonight, the questions that were asked,

2350
02:51:53,280 --> 02:51:55,820
I think they're willing to do the same for the traffic

2351
02:51:55,820 --> 02:51:56,320
and everything.

2352
02:51:56,540 --> 02:51:59,860
I really would like to thank them in public for it,

2353
02:51:59,860 --> 02:52:03,260
because they're really working hard to coordinate with the town.

2354
02:52:03,420 --> 02:52:03,820
Thank you.

2355
02:52:04,440 --> 02:52:04,780
Thank you.

2356
02:52:05,080 --> 02:52:07,340
As I develop a lawyer, I don't hear that a lot.

2357
02:52:07,580 --> 02:52:10,380
So I think it's a wonderful segue

2358
02:52:10,380 --> 02:52:12,620
if the board does want to get it over.

2359
02:52:12,640 --> 02:52:13,080
Oh, my God.

2360
02:52:14,040 --> 02:52:14,280
Yeah.

2361
02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:16,680
Patrick Hope, 10 Man Street.

2362
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:28,840
Jeanine, I just wanted to add something to what you had just said, and that I don't know if people who live in Medway can currently afford to live in Medway.

2363
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:34,920
I've been doing a bunch of research when this came out and looking up the average housing

2364
02:52:34,920 --> 02:52:44,220
prices versus sort of the average rent prices in Medway. And I'm seeing that the average

2365
02:52:44,220 --> 02:52:54,450
house comes in right around $750,000, which gives a value of, if you look at that 30%, you

2366
02:52:54,450 --> 02:53:01,610
have to be making about $240,000 to purchase your average house in Medway.

2367
02:53:02,370 --> 02:53:06,750
Right now, the cheapest house that is a very traffic question?

2368
02:53:07,130 --> 02:53:11,070
No, this was in relation to our housing cost.

2369
02:53:11,790 --> 02:53:14,350
Okay, well, when we get to that waiver, we can have a lot of trouble.

2370
02:53:14,350 --> 02:53:18,430
We're not going to read that right now, so, but I appreciate you.

2371
02:53:18,430 --> 02:53:19,750
I just, are we speaking out?

2372
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:25,450
We have, and we're approaching Tana Clock, and they still only have way done.

2373
02:53:30,900 --> 02:53:31,920
Different meeting?

2374
02:53:32,500 --> 02:53:39,740
What they're taught, what he's, well, the question that was asked was about affordable housing

2375
02:53:39,740 --> 02:53:42,360
and the cost because of a waiver.

2376
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:45,680
The waiver isn't going to be discussed for a long time.

2377
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:48,700
We got to get much closer and further down the road.

2378
02:53:48,700 --> 02:53:57,700
The waiver was on a particular ask that they had because the planning board has the ability

2379
02:53:57,700 --> 02:54:03,700
to waive certain things in a development of this type.

2380
02:54:04,200 --> 02:54:06,960
We're not talking about it tonight, even though we have been.

2381
02:54:07,880 --> 02:54:09,020
It's not on the agenda,

2382
02:54:11,180 --> 02:54:16,820
and these guys have another portion, which is the design review committee

2383
02:54:17,560 --> 02:54:22,460
effort that has gone into making changes to what it looks like on Main Street.

2384
02:54:22,980 --> 02:54:24,580
So that's what we're going to try to get to.

2385
02:54:24,900 --> 02:54:31,880
And I know sometimes it seems like aggressive to shut down discussion, but I have to control the meeting,

2386
02:54:32,300 --> 02:54:36,060
stuff that it moves on time and respect people's time.

2387
02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:37,820
So thank you.

2388
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:39,440
Sorry, bud.

2389
02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:41,220
Good.

2390
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:43,900
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2391
02:54:43,900 --> 02:54:47,140
So that really was a great segue.

2392
02:54:47,580 --> 02:54:52,220
The other item we really wanted to just at least give the board an overview.

2393
02:54:52,500 --> 02:55:00,000
We haven't submitted a full redesign, you know, our architectural set, but Axel's been

2394
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:06,500
working really hard and I think, you know, got some good feedback at DRB, so we thought

2395
02:55:06,500 --> 02:55:12,560
it would be good to just share the new designs with the board so you can see the direction

2396
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:14,040
to go peek into the hood.

2397
02:55:14,340 --> 02:55:14,780
You got it.

2398
02:55:16,520 --> 02:55:16,540
Yeah.

2399
02:55:16,540 --> 02:55:18,480
All right, so yeah, that is a good segue.

2400
02:55:19,380 --> 02:55:21,340
I will do my best to just kind of be brief

2401
02:55:21,340 --> 02:55:23,080
and give us a high level overview.

2402
02:55:24,680 --> 02:55:27,560
To summarize, as concisely, as I can,

2403
02:55:28,120 --> 02:55:35,180
given the extent of comments and the genuine philosophical alignment

2404
02:55:35,180 --> 02:55:37,080
that we had with delivering the best project we came

2405
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:40,200
with the town, we essentially redesigned the entire project.

2406
02:55:40,200 --> 02:55:47,760
Now, the performance, the programmatic nature of the site, those are things that kind of are

2407
02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:49,840
the way that they need to be for the site to work.

2408
02:55:50,520 --> 02:55:56,720
So the comments that we addressed and strove to make clear our commitment to bettering

2409
02:55:56,720 --> 02:56:02,660
the community with were primarily the architectural nature, the character of it, the presence

2410
02:56:02,660 --> 02:56:07,300
of the architecture on the street, the public place making how the filtration through the site

2411
02:56:07,300 --> 02:56:09,040
is complemented by that architecture,

2412
02:56:09,340 --> 02:56:12,560
and how this architecture will also establish a direct dialogue

2413
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:15,160
with the project across the street, the municipal complex.

2414
02:56:16,320 --> 02:56:19,100
So I'll just run through some of the high level overviews,

2415
02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:22,160
but I can just summarize the DRC's comments last week

2416
02:56:22,160 --> 02:56:24,080
as just very favorable overall.

2417
02:56:24,540 --> 02:56:26,160
They did request that we come back in September

2418
02:56:26,980 --> 02:56:31,600
with new materials to just kind of get into the details

2419
02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:33,360
of some of the renderings that I'll show you here tonight.

2420
02:56:33,360 --> 02:56:37,700
But overall, it was a very positive discussion last week.

2421
02:56:38,320 --> 02:56:42,360
So I'll just recap for you what the overall idea was here.

2422
02:56:43,380 --> 02:56:45,960
So this is the presentation that I gave to them last week.

2423
02:56:46,500 --> 02:56:49,640
And so the first, we just kind of ran through the previous design,

2424
02:56:49,800 --> 02:56:53,620
which we all know was universally not the direction the town wanted to go,

2425
02:56:53,960 --> 02:56:58,500
which we took the heart and considered very seriously as we went back to the drawing boards.

2426
02:56:58,940 --> 02:57:00,500
So I'll just flip through these.

2427
02:57:00,500 --> 02:57:02,360
I don't need to spend too much time going through these.

2428
02:57:02,360 --> 02:57:04,820
we all know what it looked like and what we didn't like.

2429
02:57:06,620 --> 02:57:11,400
So to summarize, there were a vast quantity of comments

2430
02:57:13,440 --> 02:57:17,060
that we heard not only in this meeting, but in the first

2431
02:57:17,060 --> 02:57:18,600
DRC meeting as well.

2432
02:57:19,500 --> 02:57:21,820
And so last week, being our second DRC meeting,

2433
02:57:22,040 --> 02:57:24,860
we really wanted to make sure that we communicated what we heard.

2434
02:57:25,900 --> 02:57:27,700
The impact of those comments on the design.

2435
02:57:27,900 --> 02:57:29,260
And so that's all summarized here.

2436
02:57:29,260 --> 02:57:32,920
I will just kind of narrate through the main ones.

2437
02:57:34,440 --> 02:57:41,020
Everybody felt that the Main Street elevation of the multi-family building was just too long and felt too flat and unbroken.

2438
02:57:41,900 --> 02:57:49,300
Overall, the roof lines also felt that they were too flat without enough variation in forms, slopes, setbacks, textures, heights.

2439
02:57:50,580 --> 02:57:57,380
Overall, the architecture wanted the DRC wanted to see more horizontal emphasis of the architecture,

2440
02:57:57,380 --> 02:58:01,460
So that's emphasizing the base, the middle levels, and what we call the cap.

2441
02:58:02,220 --> 02:58:07,440
We also wanted to reevaluate the architectural materials palette to infuse more of the

2442
02:58:07,440 --> 02:58:10,380
local vernacular of masonry, shingles, shakes.

2443
02:58:10,760 --> 02:58:14,640
Collaborates were already a very primary part of the material palette before, but what we've

2444
02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:19,860
done is added additional colors and textures to that clabber design, as well as different

2445
02:58:19,860 --> 02:58:20,980
to weather exposures.

2446
02:58:20,980 --> 02:58:25,160
So that's the width that you see exposed to view of the clabbered themselves.

2447
02:58:27,640 --> 02:58:36,860
All of this is along the theme of injecting more of that New England village theme into the project.

2448
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:48,760
There was also a number of comments we received about the fourth floor and how the perception of that fourth floor is experienced from the street and from the public.

2449
02:58:48,760 --> 02:58:53,760
The zoning allows the fourth floor, and so it's still zoning compliant, but there were a lot of comments about

2450
02:58:54,340 --> 02:58:57,980
softening the urban edge created by the previous design on Main Street.

2451
02:58:58,820 --> 02:59:02,480
So that was something we took to heart and looked at very seriously.

2452
02:59:02,840 --> 02:59:13,520
There was also a comment about the idea of the projecting balconies creating a spot for resident belongings to potentially accumulate and create an undesirable aesthetic.

2453
02:59:13,520 --> 02:59:17,100
So you'll see significant revisions to the balconies.

2454
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:20,220
There was also a request for a lot of emphasis

2455
02:59:20,220 --> 02:59:21,640
of walkability on Main Street.

2456
02:59:21,900 --> 02:59:24,140
So that's been, you know, the story

2457
02:59:24,140 --> 02:59:27,200
has been illustrated much, much more here.

2458
02:59:28,860 --> 02:59:31,500
And then everybody got a rise out of the tree trunk

2459
02:59:31,500 --> 02:59:34,300
and canopies at the gas, at the gas feeling pump.

2460
02:59:34,460 --> 02:59:35,720
So those have been removed.

2461
02:59:36,680 --> 02:59:38,840
And the prototype, the brand of that story

2462
02:59:38,840 --> 02:59:41,580
has been more aligned with the New England vernacular.

2463
02:59:42,100 --> 02:59:44,140
So, that's what we'll see.

2464
02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:48,900
These were kind of the primary areas of concern, just what the previous model looked like.

2465
02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:53,740
We wanted to zoom in on the vignettes and just kind of highlight what the areas were that

2466
02:59:54,080 --> 02:59:59,980
we're not generally supported by the comments, so roof lines, flatness, walkability.

2467
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:02,000
The long main street balconies, materials.

2468
03:00:04,220 --> 03:00:08,700
So these were some good precedents that we both took from the

2469
03:00:08,700 --> 03:00:14,380
zoning, sorry, from the design guidelines, but also from similar scale projects around the area and

2470
03:00:14,380 --> 03:00:20,700
one thing we wanted to make clear was that a lot of medway itself is comprised of single and

2471
03:00:20,700 --> 03:00:27,040
two-story, New England Village projects. These are, this is a different type of archetype, which

2472
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:32,640
doesn't really exist yet in midway, but there are many examples of being done successfully

2473
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,260
around the surrounding area.

2474
03:00:35,900 --> 03:00:39,200
So this was overall where we landed with the new approach.

2475
03:00:39,920 --> 03:00:42,740
It is a much more New England-inspired theme.

2476
03:00:43,460 --> 03:00:47,220
The fourth floor has been completely redesigned to incorporate man's art groups, cable

2477
03:00:47,220 --> 03:00:49,020
reform, stormers for the windows.

2478
03:00:49,980 --> 03:00:54,620
We've completely re-avaluated the window proportions, the window types, ground floor

2479
03:00:54,620 --> 03:01:00,240
Storefronts have been added to give the appeal of that commercial space that people wanted

2480
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:06,820
to see more of a long main street and so we'll just go through some case and point comparisons

2481
03:01:06,820 --> 03:01:10,960
of what the before views look like and then from the same view.

2482
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:16,940
So this is from Main Street looking southeast towards Pond Street and then here is that

2483
03:01:16,940 --> 03:01:19,360
same view rendered with the new design.

2484
03:01:20,300 --> 03:01:25,680
So, and I'll get into some of the specifics of the changes, but I just wanted to kind of prep

2485
03:01:25,680 --> 03:01:30,560
Prime everybody's palate with the overall themes and changes made to the overall architecture.

2486
03:01:31,060 --> 03:01:36,960
So, this is of the corner entry feature, immediately across the street from the new fire station of municipal complex

2487
03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:40,440
And here is that same corner rendered with the new architectural theme.

2488
03:01:44,390 --> 03:01:49,130
Okay, and so to zoom out give us a few more examples, so this is from the building southeast corner

2489
03:01:49,130 --> 03:01:52,590
in, within the site looking out towards Main Street.

2490
03:01:52,750 --> 03:01:56,890
Again, you can see the previous flatness that people commented on.

2491
03:01:56,950 --> 03:01:58,710
Even though there were ongulations in the buildings,

2492
03:01:59,050 --> 03:02:01,270
still the simplistic nature of the materials palette,

2493
03:02:02,270 --> 03:02:03,630
and the more commercial nature of windows

2494
03:02:03,630 --> 03:02:05,410
made it feel too flat.

2495
03:02:05,610 --> 03:02:07,990
So here it is rendered with the new approach.

2496
03:02:09,270 --> 03:02:11,410
And we'll go through the same views.

2497
03:02:11,590 --> 03:02:14,710
So this is Southwest Corner, looking north towards the commercial

2498
03:02:14,710 --> 03:02:17,650
Plaza across the street and same corner right there.

2499
03:02:19,410 --> 03:02:22,350
So, these are where we can get into some of the details.

2500
03:02:22,790 --> 03:02:31,550
So, one of the comments, several of the comments talked about the walkability in the perception of the architecture from the street and the urban edge created by the building mass.

2501
03:02:32,230 --> 03:02:35,630
So, this is looking at the main entry into the common area of the previous design.

2502
03:02:36,690 --> 03:02:39,070
And so, you can see some of these projecting balconies here.

2503
03:02:39,150 --> 03:02:42,130
We had some projecting forms to add undulation to the facade.

2504
03:02:42,710 --> 03:02:45,090
But overall, it was just felt too modern.

2505
03:02:45,090 --> 03:02:49,630
And so here we see the revised street approach.

2506
03:02:50,710 --> 03:02:52,790
So some of the additions or the changes made here

2507
03:02:52,790 --> 03:02:55,410
were the addition or incorporation

2508
03:02:55,410 --> 03:02:59,670
of more commercial ground floor appropriate storefront systems

2509
03:02:59,670 --> 03:03:01,910
at the common areas and amenities to really create

2510
03:03:01,910 --> 03:03:07,790
that view through the building to the atmosphere inside

2511
03:03:07,790 --> 03:03:09,710
and increase the idea of porosity.

2512
03:03:10,470 --> 03:03:13,470
You can also see from here just how different the roof lines

2513
03:03:13,470 --> 03:03:19,490
are now experienced from the ground, and looking at this image, we'll focus in on that for a

2514
03:03:19,490 --> 03:03:19,610
little bit.

2515
03:03:19,730 --> 03:03:23,070
So this is a little bit of an elevated view taken from about the same spot on the ground

2516
03:03:23,070 --> 03:03:23,470
plane.

2517
03:03:24,250 --> 03:03:29,270
So again, you can see here there was the flat parapet wall with some bump ups at feature

2518
03:03:29,270 --> 03:03:31,930
areas, and now here's that same area.

2519
03:03:32,890 --> 03:03:37,170
So what has been done is those projecting balconies have all been turned into Juliet balconies.

2520
03:03:37,550 --> 03:03:43,290
We've incorporated a true Mansard roof, so that helps soften the appearance of the fourth floor

2521
03:03:43,290 --> 03:03:47,970
from the ground level. We've also injected the cornus line here, which also serves as the

2522
03:03:47,970 --> 03:03:52,590
gutter access, and so that collects all of the roof discharge into downspots, which we're

2523
03:03:52,590 --> 03:03:58,330
trying to coordinate with undulations in the building plan. You can see that we've now also

2524
03:03:58,330 --> 03:04:03,530
incorporated the shingles to the cladding in the architectural language of the roof, which you

2525
03:04:03,530 --> 03:04:07,850
now see from the ground before you didn't see the roof, because it was all flat roof profile with

2526
03:04:07,850 --> 03:04:12,750
middle roof edge, and to add variation to the material palette of Main Street.

2527
03:04:12,930 --> 03:04:17,450
We've also, at certain feature areas, proposed the use of standing scene, that will

2528
03:04:17,450 --> 03:04:21,310
which intersects nicely and contrasts the shinglestatic.

2529
03:04:24,770 --> 03:04:29,850
And so now here, just looking at the retail buildings, so this was before looking at the

2530
03:04:29,850 --> 03:04:34,930
commercial retail building, and again, it was kind of more nationalistic in its

2531
03:04:34,930 --> 03:04:43,090
A labor generic intended to appeal to a broad range of brands, and so now here is that same concept rendered with the more New England village style.

2532
03:04:43,870 --> 03:04:51,830
This was the restaurant and same themes applied here, and keep just going through here.

2533
03:04:55,820 --> 03:05:06,560
Here is the old country store experience from Main Street looking east, and so here we can see those canopy tree trunks which generated a lot of lively discussion.

2534
03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:14,020
And so here is that concept re-aligned with the overall unifying architectural theme of the development.

2535
03:05:15,080 --> 03:05:19,560
And here is that same building rendered from Main Street now looking towards the west.

2536
03:05:20,660 --> 03:05:29,660
And so one other thing we added in a comment we wanted to take to heart was how this building engaged with Main Street and the idea of creating a place making element here.

2537
03:05:29,660 --> 03:05:38,780
So, the operator has agreed to incorporate a ice cream pick-up window, some sort of village gathering area there, and we've also discussed with the DRC.

2538
03:05:39,140 --> 03:05:49,160
The idea of utilizing this plaza for a display for the operators locally grown produce, so something like a farmer's market, a local farmer's market, things like that.

2539
03:05:49,160 --> 03:05:51,020
Are we square feet of those etiquette?

2540
03:05:51,640 --> 03:05:55,760
This is $5,554 for the farmers market area.

2541
03:05:58,320 --> 03:06:00,560
I forget the number off the top of my head.

2542
03:06:01,580 --> 03:06:03,380
The card in the front?

2543
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:05,560
Yes, I'm getting there.

2544
03:06:08,980 --> 03:06:10,140
The, what's that?

2545
03:06:10,920 --> 03:06:13,320
Yeah, so here's the site plan of that area.

2546
03:06:13,340 --> 03:06:17,940
It doesn't render that yet, but we have plenty of space to work with.

2547
03:06:17,940 --> 03:06:22,340
you'll see a couple of the renderings. We, in one scheme we pose, you know, a landscape

2548
03:06:22,340 --> 03:06:26,960
area with an enclosure and several picnic tables here just to kind of be conducive to

2549
03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:32,300
the use of the ice cream function. In another, there's also enough space here to work with. And

2550
03:06:32,300 --> 03:06:36,100
we also have flexibility with where the building is located on site. So there's plenty of space

2551
03:06:36,100 --> 03:06:39,100
to work with here to get a vendor or key asking there.

2552
03:06:43,100 --> 03:06:46,440
So this is an overall area of the previous

2553
03:06:46,440 --> 03:06:52,080
design composition looking west from Main Street, and here's that same view now rendered

2554
03:06:52,080 --> 03:06:53,080
with the New England aesthetic.

2555
03:06:53,320 --> 03:06:57,360
So you can see that the unifying link which has been applied with a broad stroke across

2556
03:06:57,360 --> 03:06:58,700
the entirety of the development.

2557
03:07:00,440 --> 03:07:04,840
And now here is from the west end of Main Street looking east.

2558
03:07:05,340 --> 03:07:09,420
So again, here's that corner feature right across the street from the future municipal complex.

2559
03:07:09,420 --> 03:07:15,720
And now here's that same view with the new architectural language applied phase.

2560
03:07:20,550 --> 03:07:26,010
This is just one overall elevation, again, based on the previous conversation with DRSC,

2561
03:07:26,190 --> 03:07:29,970
you know, we believe that we're at the point where we can prove it.

2562
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:37,460
All the rest of the technical elevations, but what we wanted to showcase here was just the maintenance of compliance with the zoning.

2563
03:07:38,380 --> 03:07:52,640
So with the previous design, we had the average roof set at 42 foot 9 above the highest first floor level, which important to note is where that is relative to what we are calling the average grade plane around the building.

2564
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:57,860
Which is fine that got her so people don't think it's a 292 foot tall building sure

2565
03:07:57,860 --> 03:08:03,740
So so the first numbers you see here are above sea level heights. That's what we use in the spot grades and

2566
03:08:03,740 --> 03:08:10,820
the survey and then the numbers in parentheses you see here you see here are the elevations that we are using

2567
03:08:10,820 --> 03:08:13,600
specific to this project relative to a benchmark

2568
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:20,800
So the benchmark that we're using for the project which we'll call zero zero is the highest level of the first floor

2569
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:25,500
and it's important to note that this site does increase in the height close to 25 feet over the

2570
03:08:25,500 --> 03:08:32,000
length of it. So the building does step as you work along Main Street. So we have typically

2571
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:37,640
10 foot, three floor to floor heights. And the average roof plane is a function derived from the

2572
03:08:37,640 --> 03:08:43,360
average grade around the building. And so that average grade is calculated by the heights of this

2573
03:08:43,360 --> 03:08:46,780
of the grade around the footprint of the building taken to a dimension six feet away from the

2574
03:08:46,780 --> 03:08:53,100
We go up to the average roof plane and that is determined as the average height of the highest roof surface.

2575
03:08:54,720 --> 03:08:59,960
So what we wanted to showcase here is that by changing the architecture, we actually

2576
03:08:59,960 --> 03:09:05,200
help lower some of the average heights of the roofs being calculated in certain areas.

2577
03:09:05,820 --> 03:09:07,600
But we still achieve the same.

2578
03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:14,400
We're still well within the height limitation and we're able to achieve a much different

2579
03:09:14,400 --> 03:09:18,780
architectural vibe, which hopefully, well, according to the DRC's conversation last week,

2580
03:09:18,780 --> 03:09:20,560
did respond to a number of the comments,

2581
03:09:23,940 --> 03:09:25,840
and I'll just kind of breeze through these retail

2582
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:27,800
elevations, get to the pretty picture.

2583
03:09:28,940 --> 03:09:35,580
So here we see the corner feature across from the municipal complex rendered, and so what we

2584
03:09:35,580 --> 03:09:41,240
wanted to showcase here was just the walkability created by the light scape, the planting

2585
03:09:41,240 --> 03:09:46,180
gave a long main street in how this kind of height and storefront, which is a design guideline

2586
03:09:46,180 --> 03:09:50,620
criteria, helps the appeal of the overall project from the street.

2587
03:09:51,180 --> 03:09:54,100
And here's that same view rendered from a nighttime perspective.

2588
03:09:56,610 --> 03:09:59,350
This is a view looking at the retail building.

2589
03:10:01,270 --> 03:10:05,650
And here is the restaurant building, and on the site plan, we do have a patio area set

2590
03:10:05,650 --> 03:10:10,290
aside here, which will develop further once we've gotten past this meeting.

2591
03:10:10,290 --> 03:10:15,370
And here's the section which Jonathan was eager to see again.

2592
03:10:15,890 --> 03:10:17,230
So this is definitely one possibility

2593
03:10:17,230 --> 03:10:20,730
for how we can utilize the site and the sidewalk in that area.

2594
03:10:25,970 --> 03:10:28,090
And so we wanted to call out a few areas of the,

2595
03:10:28,090 --> 03:10:30,150
you know, one of the comments several of the comments

2596
03:10:30,150 --> 03:10:32,950
just asked about how we were using this project

2597
03:10:32,950 --> 03:10:36,250
to positively contribute some impact to the community.

2598
03:10:37,110 --> 03:10:39,350
So not only does the country store also

2599
03:10:39,350 --> 03:10:41,950
serves a natural gathering point for a lot of the,

2600
03:10:41,950 --> 03:10:46,830
kind of younger demographic in the area, which we heard through a number of comments, but we definitely

2601
03:10:46,830 --> 03:10:52,670
see this as an area to create place making. This same amenity also exists behind this building,

2602
03:10:53,050 --> 03:10:58,790
so we have two areas at this specific site to utilize to our advantage. There is also a pocket park

2603
03:10:58,790 --> 03:11:05,850
which we've incorporated along Main Street. We stepped the building back. This is the multi-family

2604
03:11:05,850 --> 03:11:10,270
building that we see right here. And there is a retaining wall which has always been part of the

2605
03:11:10,270 --> 03:11:14,970
object since Main Street rises, again, close 24 feet over the length of the run.

2606
03:11:15,650 --> 03:11:20,090
But this is a courtyard which we are intending to be utilized by public, you're just seeing

2607
03:11:20,090 --> 03:11:24,610
some initial concept renderings of what the vibe is there, but this is definitely part

2608
03:11:24,610 --> 03:11:28,590
of the porosity we're hoping to create through the site via pathways.

2609
03:11:30,310 --> 03:11:36,670
So here's the overall site, again, rendered from the air, and just to recap, I think it's

2610
03:11:36,670 --> 03:11:37,090
pretty clear.

2611
03:11:37,090 --> 03:11:39,550
The architectural revision here has been significant.

2612
03:11:39,910 --> 03:11:41,210
We really went back to the drawing board

2613
03:11:41,210 --> 03:11:42,770
to make it clear that we were responding

2614
03:11:42,770 --> 03:11:45,370
to the comments and that we heard the desires of the community.

2615
03:11:47,690 --> 03:11:50,870
And again, the reaction last week was very positive.

2616
03:11:51,550 --> 03:11:53,380
So we just felt like we would want to give you

2617
03:11:54,150 --> 03:11:54,870
this summary.

2618
03:11:56,410 --> 03:11:58,330
And Mr. Chair, I believe you were the one who requested

2619
03:11:58,330 --> 03:12:01,830
that we add the telephone light poles into the renderings.

2620
03:12:02,130 --> 03:12:05,290
So this is looking at what this architectural vibe would look

2621
03:12:05,290 --> 03:12:07,450
with the overhead power lines intact.

2622
03:12:07,570 --> 03:12:09,370
Thank you.

2623
03:12:09,690 --> 03:12:12,530
We talked with the fire department about access.

2624
03:12:13,810 --> 03:12:17,670
That is something we're actively putting on to our critical

2625
03:12:17,670 --> 03:12:19,270
path list of coordination.

2626
03:12:20,910 --> 03:12:21,390
Amazing.

2627
03:12:22,310 --> 03:12:25,490
How are they going to get to those windows with fire apparatus?

2628
03:12:26,190 --> 03:12:28,370
Yep. All that will be part of the conversation.

2629
03:12:31,570 --> 03:12:33,330
There will be a plan.

2630
03:12:33,330 --> 03:12:34,430
Thank you for considering.

2631
03:12:34,910 --> 03:12:36,530
And thank you for listening to the community.

2632
03:12:37,210 --> 03:12:37,890
And you're very welcome.

2633
03:12:38,230 --> 03:12:39,650
It was our pleasure to all I feel about it.

2634
03:12:41,010 --> 03:12:42,730
So, how are you feel, God?

2635
03:12:44,930 --> 03:12:48,930
I didn't see the design review committee meeting.

2636
03:12:49,290 --> 03:12:54,650
I just saw the renderings in our new packet for this meeting.

2637
03:12:54,970 --> 03:12:57,670
And I thought this is a substantial change.

2638
03:12:57,830 --> 03:13:02,450
So I appreciate you walking us through it in the attention

2639
03:13:02,450 --> 03:13:10,050
to detail, you know, certainly it's still a massive building, but the architectural features

2640
03:13:10,050 --> 03:13:17,810
that you're incorporating does help with the visual buffering and I think having the benefit

2641
03:13:17,810 --> 03:13:24,110
of the rendering for across the street, it's telling a better story.

2642
03:13:24,590 --> 03:13:24,990
Yeah, definitely.

2643
03:13:25,170 --> 03:13:29,110
I mean, we wanted to really make sure we were looking at the human scale and the rhythm

2644
03:13:29,110 --> 03:13:34,750
of the facade, and the overall intent behind the composition of this building now is to look

2645
03:13:34,750 --> 03:13:39,830
like a collection of buildings that have been constructed over time, the way many downtown

2646
03:13:39,830 --> 03:13:46,330
New England villages feel. You see the rowhouses, you see all the three to four story masses

2647
03:13:46,330 --> 03:13:52,490
kind of juxtaposed tightly together. So staying within the means of the economy and the way we

2648
03:13:52,490 --> 03:13:57,430
have to construct it, we definitely wanted to make sure we were looking at the parts in the kit

2649
03:13:57,430 --> 03:14:04,370
and utilizing those to our advantage to bring the scale is down to the human level as much as we could.

2650
03:14:04,470 --> 03:14:05,830
I'm interested in the Virginians.

2651
03:14:06,050 --> 03:14:09,670
I really appreciate the changes that were made.

2652
03:14:09,790 --> 03:14:15,390
I know that there's not much you can do about the massing of a large scale residential building.

2653
03:14:15,970 --> 03:14:20,990
There are just, but I think that I agree, it looks like different building.

2654
03:14:21,170 --> 03:14:27,310
Breaking it up to look like different buildings that are close together was definitely the right way to go.

2655
03:14:27,310 --> 03:14:29,690
I really appreciate the changes to the roof lines,

2656
03:14:30,230 --> 03:14:31,250
and all the other buildings,

2657
03:14:31,470 --> 03:14:33,790
I think it's starting to have that aesthetic

2658
03:14:34,550 --> 03:14:38,610
that really speaks to being like a modern farming town,

2659
03:14:38,610 --> 03:14:42,950
community, and I think that it's, you know,

2660
03:14:43,150 --> 03:14:44,730
hopefully appreciated by the public,

2661
03:14:46,070 --> 03:14:49,010
and I do appreciate all the extra detail

2662
03:14:49,010 --> 03:14:51,710
of focusing in on these areas

2663
03:14:51,710 --> 03:14:54,690
where the public are touching it at a human level.

2664
03:14:54,750 --> 03:14:55,750
The farmers market,

2665
03:14:56,270 --> 03:14:59,970
probably something that you can work out much more in deed.

2666
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,800
But focusing on it now, I think is important for this particular project because we want to see how we're going to feel next to it.

2667
03:15:10,620 --> 03:15:20,920
And even though that feels a little granular for where you guys are in entitlements, it's important. So I really commend you focusing on those details.

2668
03:15:20,920 --> 03:15:29,320
I had one question about the residential component, the programming for that on the interior,

2669
03:15:29,940 --> 03:15:37,000
first floor space, are you incorporating any sort of public engagement opportunity in that space?

2670
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:42,420
Are you going to put any sort of retail or public gathering space in there?

2671
03:15:42,600 --> 03:15:46,900
I think that that might be one thing that I think people are still asking for

2672
03:15:46,900 --> 03:15:57,640
because I completely understand the ROI and maintaining a space like that, but I think what

2673
03:15:57,640 --> 03:16:03,920
people have a hard time with these large scale residential buildings is engaging with

2674
03:16:03,920 --> 03:16:09,220
our neighbors that live in them. And I think that that moment is kind of important on a big

2675
03:16:09,220 --> 03:16:16,840
commercial corridor like this. And the desire for like feeling like we have a place to meet

2676
03:16:16,840 --> 03:16:25,620
there has still been expressed, you know, whether it's a coffee shop or maybe it's like

2677
03:16:25,620 --> 03:16:26,300
a muffin house.

2678
03:16:26,540 --> 03:16:32,620
Like, well, if you go to the muffin house, there's a little impromptu meetings conducted

2679
03:16:32,620 --> 03:16:38,660
at the very busy muffin house, but, I mean, amongst many people, like different groups

2680
03:16:38,660 --> 03:16:44,020
all meet there, and I do notice that like a lot of people just to get out of their house

2681
03:16:44,020 --> 03:16:46,320
sometimes go there and just like do, you know,

2682
03:16:46,440 --> 03:16:50,060
or on their Wi-Fi trying to like do like work from home there,

2683
03:16:50,340 --> 03:16:53,480
like I'm wondering if there's an opportunity here

2684
03:16:54,020 --> 03:16:57,660
that then also allows people to engage with the people

2685
03:16:57,660 --> 03:16:59,200
that are living in this building.

2686
03:16:59,880 --> 03:17:02,440
And then we feel like they're still infiltrated

2687
03:17:02,440 --> 03:17:09,000
in our community, less like an island of residential units,

2688
03:17:09,220 --> 03:17:10,980
that we don't know anything about these people,

2689
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:12,780
so we just make assumptions, you know?

2690
03:17:12,780 --> 03:17:16,840
So I think that along this quarter, there's still a desire for that.

2691
03:17:16,980 --> 03:17:19,500
So I'm wondering if that's something that you've got to have considered.

2692
03:17:21,740 --> 03:17:25,000
So Ty and Axel might want to jump in.

2693
03:17:25,260 --> 03:17:31,700
The difficulty with adding in commercial space in a residential building

2694
03:17:31,700 --> 03:17:34,880
is that it completely changes the code requirements.

2695
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:41,080
It's not as simple as just taking part of the first floor

2696
03:17:41,080 --> 03:17:43,520
and putting a coffee shop in there.

2697
03:17:43,840 --> 03:17:46,440
I think you've seen a real attempt

2698
03:17:46,440 --> 03:17:50,340
to sort of make the commercial element

2699
03:17:51,080 --> 03:17:57,740
of this development more unified with making it,

2700
03:17:57,740 --> 03:17:59,660
feel like a unified development,

2701
03:18:00,160 --> 03:18:03,820
putting that courtyard park, pocket park in,

2702
03:18:04,300 --> 03:18:05,660
that retaining walls there,

2703
03:18:05,760 --> 03:18:07,980
but what you didn't see is that it's,

2704
03:18:08,040 --> 03:18:11,000
you're on the same grade as you walk along the path,

2705
03:18:11,000 --> 03:18:20,940
the pedestrian pathways to the commercial part, so it's not like it's hidden from you, but I don't

2706
03:18:20,940 --> 03:18:26,080
think that challenge you to look at it a little bit and I totally get what you're saying from a

2707
03:18:26,080 --> 03:18:33,880
code standpoint but there are like if it's something very small that can make a big impact like a

2708
03:18:33,880 --> 03:18:38,180
coffee window or coffee shop or whatever that you're just popping in and saying hi to somebody

2709
03:18:38,180 --> 03:18:45,080
meeting them in the lobby, grabbing a coffee or whatever. There are, like, ways to do that,

2710
03:18:47,460 --> 03:18:54,360
not to, you know, overstop, but I work at hospitality. So we do a lot of commercial mixed use

2711
03:18:54,740 --> 03:19:01,600
just in general, because you've got assembly spaces, and you can have an accessory space that is

2712
03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:08,720
So, you know, a certain square footage that doesn't have to have, like, a complete fire wall around it.

2713
03:19:08,900 --> 03:19:15,500
So, there are ways to incorporate that, just like we do lobbies with the little coffee shop, like a Starbucks and a hotel lobby,

2714
03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:17,720
and then everything, all the rooms are residential.

2715
03:19:18,400 --> 03:19:20,820
So, this is the same kind of use group.

2716
03:19:21,040 --> 03:19:27,020
So, I would, you know, maybe look into it a little bit and see, because it could be something really, really small,

2717
03:19:27,160 --> 03:19:28,980
that makes a very big impact to just.

2718
03:19:30,380 --> 03:19:38,400
We'll re-evaluate internally, another large challenge with it is the liability, the second you open up to public.

2719
03:19:39,400 --> 03:19:48,020
So now that there's a much larger liability component with the entire interior of the structure, when it becomes a public structure.

2720
03:19:48,600 --> 03:19:50,020
So that's challenging.

2721
03:19:50,200 --> 03:19:54,560
I know that Axel worked really hard on the exterior to try to, even though it's not

2722
03:19:54,560 --> 03:20:00,700
retail, appreciate the components of the exterior building to make it look that way.

2723
03:20:01,380 --> 03:20:07,500
We tried to really incorporate the country store with that window, and we'll let that action

2724
03:20:07,500 --> 03:20:13,060
transition to actual mobility throughout the site with using that window to try to incorporate

2725
03:20:13,620 --> 03:20:18,000
that feel that we're kind of looking for, but I'll definitely take it and

2726
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:24,120
I think the public would appreciate it just because it's still an ask that's been floated out there.

2727
03:20:25,260 --> 03:20:33,440
And while we're talking site, Matt Merva with Boller, we just wanted to share this slide at the end here,

2728
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:35,380
and probably would have been a good one to start with.

2729
03:20:35,620 --> 03:20:41,800
But it shows our property in context with the new proposed municipal complex,

2730
03:20:42,020 --> 03:20:43,280
which I think was an ask.

2731
03:20:43,280 --> 03:21:04,160
But if not of this board of the DRB to see how the pieces start to fit together and to start to look at some of the connectivity, both a long main street, but the porosity through our site, and then the establishment of kind of these little moments a long main street that relate to our site.

2732
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:06,840
We highlighted a couple of them early on.

2733
03:21:07,020 --> 03:21:10,220
We talked about adding another one outside here

2734
03:21:10,220 --> 03:21:14,180
at the DRB meeting that would be a little seating area

2735
03:21:14,180 --> 03:21:17,360
for the public up at the street level.

2736
03:21:18,240 --> 03:21:20,620
Not down, this one's down a little lower down

2737
03:21:20,620 --> 03:21:21,920
at this parking lot level.

2738
03:21:22,540 --> 03:21:26,040
So providing one here makes it more part of the building,

2739
03:21:26,340 --> 03:21:28,840
part of the streetscape, but very much public

2740
03:21:28,840 --> 03:21:32,700
and very much inviting people to stop and sit

2741
03:21:32,700 --> 03:21:39,360
meet with their neighbors. But now we've got a few stops along the way here so that it breaks

2742
03:21:39,360 --> 03:21:45,260
up the longer facade. What's that dotted blue line? Is that a trail? This is a potential

2743
03:21:45,260 --> 03:21:54,300
future proposed trail connecting. I think the road ahead through that you should like show them a

2744
03:21:54,300 --> 03:21:59,500
little bit more about that because I think that's still trying to figure that all out. We've got

2745
03:21:59,500 --> 03:22:01,800
work with conservation commission on that.

2746
03:22:02,220 --> 03:22:03,980
There's a couple of wetland crossings

2747
03:22:03,980 --> 03:22:06,660
that we need to do to get through here.

2748
03:22:07,120 --> 03:22:10,140
So it's dashed because we can't promise it yet.

2749
03:22:11,320 --> 03:22:13,980
But it is something we'd like to try to explore

2750
03:22:13,980 --> 03:22:17,480
and have this connection through four

2751
03:22:17,480 --> 03:22:20,140
for the surrounding neighborhood.

2752
03:22:20,920 --> 03:22:23,400
If we go to this office, a leadership, I think,

2753
03:22:23,540 --> 03:22:24,920
within the Kelly Street community

2754
03:22:24,920 --> 03:22:28,240
to possibly reach out to to talk with, sure.

2755
03:22:28,240 --> 03:22:29,980
Well, absolutely sure there are

2756
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:45,920
On board. So any, I just wanted to put some of that in context and your comments or heard, and we certainly want to try to make this as interesting along the street as we can. So we're working to do that for sure.

2757
03:22:45,920 --> 03:22:46,040
Okay.

2758
03:22:49,700 --> 03:22:50,100
Anybody else?

2759
03:22:50,180 --> 03:22:50,840
I'm going to have a comment.

2760
03:22:51,140 --> 03:22:51,340
Yeah.

2761
03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:51,980
Just like that.

2762
03:22:52,100 --> 03:22:53,100
It's a tag tie in the team.

2763
03:22:53,280 --> 03:22:55,620
You guys have a long way to show up here at the time.

2764
03:22:56,260 --> 03:22:59,960
Have listened to us as a group to the DFC, the Board.

2765
03:23:00,400 --> 03:23:00,940
Members of the public.

2766
03:23:01,540 --> 03:23:03,220
You know, the efforts to truly appreciate it.

2767
03:23:03,260 --> 03:23:04,060
Come on, way.

2768
03:23:04,900 --> 03:23:05,360
Take it to that.

2769
03:23:05,760 --> 03:23:06,080
You're welcome.

2770
03:23:07,780 --> 03:23:10,140
Is the public have any comments or questions?

2771
03:23:10,760 --> 03:23:11,740
Just cue it.

2772
03:23:11,900 --> 03:23:12,400
The microphones.

2773
03:23:13,260 --> 03:23:14,580
It's closest to

2774
03:23:17,940 --> 03:23:18,060
you.

2775
03:23:18,360 --> 03:23:20,260
Carol Johnston, 41 Maple Street.

2776
03:23:20,260 --> 03:23:24,800
My concern is, what is the setback for the apartment building?

2777
03:23:25,080 --> 03:23:32,600
It seems as if it's right on 109, is how much setback are you going to go so that there's

2778
03:23:32,600 --> 03:23:39,700
no danger of accidents going into the apartment, also on the country store.

2779
03:23:40,200 --> 03:23:42,720
That seems to be right on 109 as well.

2780
03:23:43,300 --> 03:23:49,620
If you do it in line with, if you pull that slide back off, you'll see that the restaurant

2781
03:23:49,620 --> 03:23:56,700
to set back. That seems to be a nice amount to be set back off of 109, wondering if the apartment building

2782
03:23:56,700 --> 03:24:00,700
can be pushed back? I mean you have a lot of property there, so it shouldn't be a problem

2783
03:24:00,700 --> 03:24:01,420
for them to push back.

2784
03:24:01,420 --> 03:24:03,040
The issue, I think, is the wetlands.

2785
03:24:04,020 --> 03:24:05,600
So that's driving a lot of it.

2786
03:24:05,900 --> 03:24:08,820
Does the project comply with set back?

2787
03:24:10,700 --> 03:24:10,800
Okay.

2788
03:24:11,280 --> 03:24:11,500
Right.

2789
03:24:13,380 --> 03:24:16,100
So they have to work within the constraints of the property, right?

2790
03:24:16,100 --> 03:24:22,240
So, that's a concern for me, is that the country store seems to be right on the street.

2791
03:24:22,420 --> 03:24:25,600
And if you're going to put out something for people to sit down and have ice cream,

2792
03:24:26,140 --> 03:24:29,180
who wants to have a car for me to not take them out, right?

2793
03:24:30,220 --> 03:24:32,300
So, hit them by a hit by a car.

2794
03:24:32,780 --> 03:24:38,700
So, that's my concern, as I think that the setback needs to be further for the country store

2795
03:24:38,700 --> 03:24:40,320
and also the apartment complex.

2796
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:42,240
Just received a few reasons.

2797
03:24:42,940 --> 03:24:44,460
Okay, thank you.

2798
03:24:46,300 --> 03:24:51,800
So, I totally agree with you Jeanine that this project would benefit from additional commercial.

2799
03:24:53,040 --> 03:24:57,820
I do think there's challenges with putting it in that residential building under the zoning,

2800
03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:00,540
it would change some of the setbacks and other requirements.

2801
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:04,600
So, but if it was located somewhere else on the site,

2802
03:25:04,720 --> 03:25:10,500
I think that would help residents, or not residents of this building, but

2803
03:25:10,500 --> 03:25:14,500
residents, take this project a little bit easier.

2804
03:25:16,560 --> 03:25:20,820
The commercial that's there now was described as being more incidental.

2805
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:26,580
It's places you stop when you're driving by and you have a need like a gas station or convenience store.

2806
03:25:27,940 --> 03:25:40,480
And in the next part of the presentation, it was explained that this was what the

2807
03:25:40,480 --> 03:25:44,100
particular mix of retail and residential.

2808
03:25:45,660 --> 03:25:48,560
So I would just want to note that the Central Business District

2809
03:25:48,560 --> 03:25:51,060
is meant to be developed in accordance with the Medway Master

2810
03:25:51,060 --> 03:25:56,780
Plan, which once made street to be developed for a small town

2811
03:25:56,780 --> 03:25:58,440
feel for all of the residents.

2812
03:25:58,600 --> 03:26:03,920
And I think these improvements really help both in the appearance of it

2813
03:26:03,920 --> 03:26:05,160
and in the walkability.

2814
03:26:05,420 --> 03:26:06,640
So I do appreciate that.

2815
03:26:06,640 --> 03:26:09,920
But I think there's more that could be done,

2816
03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:13,120
and I think there's a limit.

2817
03:26:13,360 --> 03:26:17,020
It's very limited with the commercial uses, so I'd like to see more.

2818
03:26:17,840 --> 03:26:18,980
Sorry, excuse me.

2819
03:26:19,540 --> 03:26:22,460
And I understand why the applicant doesn't want to add more meaningful commercial

2820
03:26:22,460 --> 03:26:26,440
spaces, why their lender will finance those free to help spaces.

2821
03:26:26,980 --> 03:26:31,220
But this board has been asked by the town to implement the midway master plan and not

2822
03:26:31,220 --> 03:26:33,060
whether to approve a financial project.

2823
03:26:33,060 --> 03:26:39,340
So the town came here and said, it's financing is completely separate from the project that was presented today.

2824
03:26:39,440 --> 03:26:41,720
They have to go to town meeting to get their finances.

2825
03:26:42,780 --> 03:26:47,560
That same here too, it's not up to the board to decide whether the project is financeable.

2826
03:26:48,780 --> 03:26:56,940
So I think that it's important to keep them the Midway Master plan in mind and increase the commercial uses as much as possible.

2827
03:26:57,980 --> 03:26:58,280
Thank you.

2828
03:26:59,590 --> 03:27:02,050
Do you have the comments or questions?

2829
03:27:08,210 --> 03:27:13,550
I was glad to see the decision of a path going to Kelly Street.

2830
03:27:14,110 --> 03:27:18,330
I was wondering, I'm on the way and the only place it looks like maybe Henry Street.

2831
03:27:19,110 --> 03:27:24,210
There might be a possibility of putting a spur out so that I could go without having to always go back,

2832
03:27:25,230 --> 03:27:30,010
east to Halls and Street and go around to get to go west.

2833
03:27:30,010 --> 03:27:34,010
So, it's, you know, I'm not sure I follow you.

2834
03:27:36,650 --> 03:27:37,910
Where's your home?

2835
03:27:38,330 --> 03:27:40,450
Well, if you know what, Roy Street is,

2836
03:27:42,370 --> 03:27:44,210
Henry Street connects to Roy Street,

2837
03:27:45,130 --> 03:27:48,610
and then it's pretty close to where the path goes by

2838
03:27:48,610 --> 03:27:50,650
connecting to Kelly Street.

2839
03:27:51,130 --> 03:27:54,250
The footpath, I guess it's going through wetlands.

2840
03:27:54,470 --> 03:27:57,690
So, if you say spurs, you can get out of your driving, you can make it.

2841
03:27:57,690 --> 03:28:08,170
Just to get out, just to connect to the trail like a spur on the trail to connect, like a trail, like they call the spur, you know, just like a little

2842
03:28:08,170 --> 03:28:10,790
You're going to be a lot to drive from Kelly's screen.

2843
03:28:11,130 --> 03:28:12,830
We have this on to mainstream.

2844
03:28:13,110 --> 03:28:15,470
Let's just not get that out there, right?

2845
03:28:15,670 --> 03:28:19,130
I think they're saying is that they're still, and I didn't like the answer.

2846
03:28:19,150 --> 03:28:20,770
I like to go to Walker, you know.

2847
03:28:20,770 --> 03:28:25,550
possible bike but maybe just you know walking trail just to connect to the trail without

2848
03:28:25,550 --> 03:28:29,210
me having to walk all the way down and all the way around you know.

2849
03:28:29,210 --> 03:28:34,630
I think they're saying that they're still looking at that with with yeah the

2850
03:28:34,630 --> 03:28:42,710
conservation commission commission committee sorry but I think you know we'll get into that

2851
03:28:42,710 --> 03:28:48,870
if they get to that point but I was yeah yeah I was just I really like the idea of having

2852
03:28:49,430 --> 03:28:55,090
I think that might be the community engagement that people are looking for so really like

2853
03:28:55,090 --> 03:28:59,990
like they zeroed in on the farmers market, they zeroed in, zeroed on that next because that

2854
03:28:59,990 --> 03:29:03,930
will continue to push things forward, I think positively.

2855
03:29:05,370 --> 03:29:07,710
Because I used to be able to walk through a couple of fields.

2856
03:29:08,590 --> 03:29:12,590
And it was so much closer and then everything got private property and there was no

2857
03:29:13,250 --> 03:29:18,890
footpaths installed and any of those, it's like 137 houses and there's no footpaths from

2858
03:29:18,890 --> 03:29:22,650
like apples in all the way to Kelly and all the streets in the, there's nothing to

2859
03:29:22,650 --> 03:29:26,550
footpath to connect anyone to the rest of the town and it's always, they go, take the

2860
03:29:26,550 --> 03:29:30,030
long way around, you know, it's twice as long if maybe more.

2861
03:29:31,610 --> 03:29:39,750
Any other comments or questions? Anything wrong mind? Okay. Do you guys have anything else

2862
03:29:39,750 --> 03:29:41,510
I want to present tonight.

2863
03:29:43,170 --> 03:29:44,170
Do you have one question?

2864
03:29:45,170 --> 03:29:46,450
Do you just come up to the microphone?

2865
03:29:49,870 --> 03:29:50,050
Yeah.

2866
03:29:50,590 --> 03:29:51,410
How street?

2867
03:29:52,170 --> 03:29:54,130
Just the actual apartment building.

2868
03:29:55,170 --> 03:29:57,510
Kind of trying to get up to speed on this whole thing.

2869
03:29:57,710 --> 03:29:59,970
Is that design finalized where it just runs the life?

2870
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:13,140
I mean, sure, is there ever been a consideration of trying to do like multiple buildings to maybe not make it look like that kind of like island feel that you talked about and make it more like if you're going to do like a downtown like it just kind of feels like like block there.

2871
03:30:13,640 --> 03:30:15,140
And I don't know if we where they are.

2872
03:30:15,220 --> 03:30:17,320
I've been going on for four years.

2873
03:30:18,580 --> 03:30:18,600
Yeah.

2874
03:30:18,600 --> 03:30:18,660
Yeah.

2875
03:30:18,660 --> 03:30:19,660
I mean, it started out.

2876
03:30:20,120 --> 03:30:20,280
Yeah.

2877
03:30:21,560 --> 03:30:22,740
I've been here a few years.

2878
03:30:23,060 --> 03:30:24,140
I've been trying to get up to speed.

2879
03:30:24,440 --> 03:30:24,600
Yeah.

2880
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:27,540
It's kind of an iterative process.

2881
03:30:27,540 --> 03:30:39,560
It's been going on for a long time, and they bought some additional land, and it just has been morphing and evolving.

2882
03:30:40,260 --> 03:30:48,400
Yeah, not necessarily in front of the board, but they've been dealing with some neighborhood, like the Kelly Street neighborhood,

2883
03:30:48,400 --> 03:31:00,480
And there was some negotiation between them and themselves over not building out in the back at Kelly Street so they pushed everything up.

2884
03:31:00,480 --> 03:31:03,400
That's how we got to what we have here.

2885
03:31:03,400 --> 03:31:04,480
10.

2886
03:31:04,900 --> 03:31:06,760
Your next desire is a committee meeting.

2887
03:31:07,120 --> 03:31:07,420
2.

2888
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:10,460
That was probably a good one.

2889
03:31:11,060 --> 03:31:11,160
2.

2890
03:31:13,040 --> 03:31:15,020
So just for clarification, we don't.

2891
03:31:15,020 --> 03:31:15,160
Yeah.

2892
03:31:15,520 --> 03:31:15,720
I'm sorry.

2893
03:31:16,780 --> 03:31:17,880
I'm just going to go.

2894
03:31:18,440 --> 03:31:19,800
When is your next desire?

2895
03:31:20,020 --> 03:31:20,980
Are you giving me a chance?

2896
03:31:20,980 --> 03:31:22,020
What do you get there on?

2897
03:31:22,720 --> 03:31:23,620
I've all died.

2898
03:31:25,400 --> 03:31:27,940
If you are seeing this about our second meeting.

2899
03:31:46,300 --> 03:31:53,720
You can sign up for a gender for any town board meeting, or I think my wife has signed up for

2900
03:31:53,720 --> 03:31:54,760
She just forwards them to me.

2901
03:31:54,780 --> 03:31:55,600
So she's right here.

2902
03:31:55,780 --> 03:31:57,220
My wife is signed up for him.

2903
03:31:57,700 --> 03:32:00,460
So she said to me, so I try to stay like in touch with that.

2904
03:32:00,480 --> 03:32:01,840
And then I guess the last thing probably

2905
03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:03,800
should have come up during the traffic piece,

2906
03:32:04,480 --> 03:32:05,740
but I'm assuming we've all considered it.

2907
03:32:06,540 --> 03:32:07,760
But don't we just kind of see the risk

2908
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:09,680
of putting an apartment building right

2909
03:32:09,680 --> 03:32:13,100
by where the fire, like fire department is going to be the fire trucks.

2910
03:32:13,200 --> 03:32:14,800
I know the lighting, the traffic,

2911
03:32:14,960 --> 03:32:16,020
that they're going to try to put there.

2912
03:32:16,500 --> 03:32:20,400
But there's obviously concerns about the R.E. congestion on Main Street,

2913
03:32:20,860 --> 03:32:22,260
and then you're putting an apartment building

2914
03:32:22,260 --> 03:32:26,140
with a lot of in and out, and I know that there's the data and they've kind of showed that,

2915
03:32:26,780 --> 03:32:31,440
but there's still just kind of that cause of concern that you can look at data, but you have

2916
03:32:31,440 --> 03:32:35,840
to so factor in that there could be things that could happen where delays of fire truck or

2917
03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:42,160
an ambulance or whatever it is from getting somewhere, you know, a fire can, you know, take over

2918
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:47,560
in a couple minutes and if you get hung up on Main Street. I don't know if that's really a question

2919
03:32:47,560 --> 03:32:51,660
or just more of a speaking it out loud. Yeah, it's just a concern.

2920
03:32:53,800 --> 03:33:07,080
to accommodate the risk, and the fire department comments on their project, and if there's a concern, it's going to get brought up, and we'll address it as these meetings continue.

2921
03:33:07,280 --> 03:33:18,040
I mean, this is really our second meeting as a board on this. This will probably get pretty intense on, you know, if you thought traffic was boring tonight.

2922
03:33:18,040 --> 03:33:21,360
like some of the other stuff is no offense either.

2923
03:33:22,120 --> 03:33:22,880
I

2924
03:33:25,470 --> 03:33:31,230
happen to be interested in everyone.

2925
03:33:32,290 --> 03:33:35,910
So it's not that sexy as beautiful architecture.

2926
03:33:37,930 --> 03:33:48,110
But regardless, we're going to be working on this thing as quickly as we can to be mindful of the development community.

2927
03:33:48,110 --> 03:33:53,790
but also working on it as diligently as we can because we represent the community.

2928
03:33:54,690 --> 03:33:54,890
Right.

2929
03:33:54,990 --> 03:34:02,570
And I think it's a good sign. I hope we'll sign that you're able to pivot as much as you did with the original.

2930
03:34:02,730 --> 03:34:05,210
I read my doubts, but you shined, man.

2931
03:34:05,510 --> 03:34:12,210
I mean, that's not really good for us to be whispering to each other while you're giving your presentation.

2932
03:34:12,210 --> 03:34:22,430
but we were a little gaupsmacked with the amount of additional improvement that were made in the short amount of time.

2933
03:34:22,690 --> 03:34:29,410
So I think that will continue to see some along the way, because to your point at the massing,

2934
03:34:29,730 --> 03:34:35,490
it does break up the visual impact, but maybe there's a little bit more that can be done over a minute.

2935
03:34:35,890 --> 03:34:39,310
Special thank you for doing so much work and such a short time.

2936
03:34:39,310 --> 03:34:46,790
hoping that that helps restore a little bit of the faith in the process that you know.

2937
03:34:46,790 --> 03:34:47,630
We've probably been walking.

2938
03:34:49,290 --> 03:34:51,090
I was just a little bit.

2939
03:34:55,170 --> 03:34:57,110
All right, anything else?

2940
03:34:57,690 --> 03:34:58,410
Thank you.

2941
03:34:59,690 --> 03:35:00,370
Can I have anything?

2942
03:35:01,790 --> 03:35:02,330
Mary Jane?

2943
03:35:03,390 --> 03:35:04,030
Okay.

2944
03:35:05,830 --> 03:35:06,810
What do we need?

2945
03:35:06,830 --> 03:35:07,750
We've got a date.

2946
03:35:09,450 --> 03:35:15,750
Well, let's see when people have been ready and the other things we need to discuss as well.

2947
03:35:32,200 --> 03:35:34,460
So yeah, we'll be ready to respond next week.

2948
03:35:34,700 --> 03:35:37,060
And then the gentleman will want to do whatever they want.

2949
03:35:37,780 --> 03:35:38,340
They will be easy.

2950
03:35:38,600 --> 03:35:39,080
You have the sunshine.

2951
03:35:39,780 --> 03:35:40,620
We can do it.

2952
03:35:40,740 --> 03:35:40,900
Yes.

2953
03:35:41,140 --> 03:35:42,180
We'll use a couple of minutes.

2954
03:35:44,980 --> 03:35:46,600
So what about some of the other issues?

2955
03:35:46,600 --> 03:35:49,200
One of these you'll have a revised side points,

2956
03:35:49,300 --> 03:35:52,300
and then you'll get some re-reachings from conservation.

2957
03:36:06,840 --> 03:36:07,960
One of the meeting dates,

2958
03:36:08,040 --> 03:36:09,880
we should be looking at the 25th.

2959
03:36:09,880 --> 03:36:15,160
On the 25th, we have September 8th,

2960
03:36:16,660 --> 03:36:18,880
and September 27th.

2961
03:36:29,500 --> 03:36:30,420
On September 8th.

2962
03:36:33,790 --> 03:36:35,070
On the 25th, September 10th.

2963
03:36:36,030 --> 03:36:36,950
On the 25th, September 10th.

2964
03:36:39,690 --> 03:36:42,890
Okay, and what will you have ready on September 8th, traffic?

2965
03:36:42,890 --> 03:36:45,130
and no hands?

2966
03:36:45,130 --> 03:36:45,490
Yes.

2967
03:36:45,970 --> 03:36:46,790
They need to have that.

2968
03:36:47,070 --> 03:36:47,750
They need to have that.

2969
03:36:47,990 --> 03:36:48,490
They need to have that.

2970
03:36:48,490 --> 03:36:48,810
They need to have that.

2971
03:36:51,070 --> 03:36:53,510
We're ready to start talking about some special permits.

2972
03:36:53,870 --> 03:36:54,530
Do you question?

2973
03:36:55,730 --> 03:36:56,430
That's a new job.

2974
03:36:58,660 --> 03:36:59,240
Sure.

2975
03:37:00,660 --> 03:37:05,350
In terms of just running through the criteria and how we satisfy it.

2976
03:37:06,740 --> 03:37:07,000
Okay.

2977
03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:10,160
This is not reason not to do concurrently.

2978
03:37:12,320 --> 03:37:12,520
Okay.

2979
03:37:12,520 --> 03:37:18,500
I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing to September 8th at 7 p.m. here at the Middle

2980
03:37:18,500 --> 03:37:20,260
School of Presentation Room.

2981
03:37:20,480 --> 03:37:27,300
Sir, second, second, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

2982
03:37:29,000 --> 03:37:29,300
Okay.

2983
03:37:29,640 --> 03:37:29,880
Great.

2984
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:31,660
Thank you very much.

2985
03:37:34,410 --> 03:37:39,310
Vote to approve committee appointment for open space committee, Andrea Hunter.

2986
03:37:40,990 --> 03:37:46,410
I'll make a motion to appoint Andrea Gunther to a two-year term on the open space committee.

2987
03:37:47,710 --> 03:37:48,310
Second.

2988
03:37:51,580 --> 03:37:51,580
Second.

2989
03:37:52,040 --> 03:37:57,400
Okay, we've got a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none? All those in favor? Please say aye.

2990
03:37:59,240 --> 03:37:59,560
Okay.

2991
03:37:59,560 --> 03:38:05,500
we're not going to talk about bond reliance. Okay. Preview of potential fault time

2992
03:38:05,500 --> 03:38:11,380
meeting warrant articles. Can we, hey, can we clear the wrong please?

2993
03:38:13,650 --> 03:38:20,550
So, Mr. Chairman, you should have in your packet, it proposed 2026 fault time meeting

2994
03:38:20,550 --> 03:38:25,910
schedule. You know, it's late, so I won't go through it, but it's just important that we

2995
03:38:25,910 --> 03:38:30,970
set the date for the public hearing. I'm suggesting that we set it for our total

2996
03:38:30,970 --> 03:38:34,610
13, that will give us time to get everything done.

2997
03:38:35,070 --> 03:38:38,550
You will notice that we need to submit our warrant articles

2998
03:38:38,550 --> 03:38:40,590
with a select board by September 8th.

2999
03:38:40,810 --> 03:38:43,190
So we only have a couple meetings to do this.

3000
03:38:43,410 --> 03:38:44,830
So that's the only reason I want to do that.

3001
03:38:44,930 --> 03:38:47,870
Should we take up sub-division control?

3002
03:38:48,510 --> 03:38:50,730
We do all that?

3003
03:38:51,090 --> 03:38:51,570
No.

3004
03:38:53,770 --> 03:38:56,750
Well, I noticed you did have a couple of chains.

3005
03:38:57,150 --> 03:38:57,450
A little edits.

3006
03:38:57,670 --> 03:38:59,770
But why do you need to make that?

3007
03:38:59,770 --> 03:39:03,510
Yes, given we're not in the little bombs at that.

3008
03:39:04,030 --> 03:39:04,050
Yes.

3009
03:39:04,070 --> 03:39:05,190
State not comments every now and then.

3010
03:39:05,230 --> 03:39:05,450
Right.

3011
03:39:05,870 --> 03:39:09,850
So the only one to be had so far are some housekeeping items.

3012
03:39:11,290 --> 03:39:12,890
Something about the trail signs.

3013
03:39:13,530 --> 03:39:15,110
And then the zoning amendments that are going to be

3014
03:39:15,110 --> 03:39:17,690
required by the new state laws.

3015
03:39:18,170 --> 03:39:19,630
But we can go over all this at the next one.

3016
03:39:19,810 --> 03:39:22,570
I really wanted to kind of get it on the.

3017
03:39:22,650 --> 03:39:26,970
Well, it sounds like we have a break between this.

3018
03:39:26,970 --> 03:39:31,710
meeting you know when this meeting is over the next meeting we can work on it but we can't

3019
03:39:31,710 --> 03:39:36,310
probably after that until we just put both of those big practice and it's a two very

3020
03:39:37,530 --> 03:39:42,970
right we just got to get it all done by. I think we put it up Jeremy.

3021
03:39:45,390 --> 03:39:51,470
One twenty made. No it's twenty second. Yeah one twenty is on the twenty second.

3022
03:39:55,510 --> 03:39:55,990
The

3023
03:39:58,410 --> 03:40:06,530
I'm here the eighth, but the following week I'm not, so if we have to have a special meeting, I think I'm not going to be around.

3024
03:40:06,630 --> 03:40:08,090
We're going to be a special meeting.

3025
03:40:08,110 --> 03:40:12,010
All right, so I'll put this on for next week for the next meeting.

3026
03:40:13,210 --> 03:40:18,310
But what we can take a vote to set the point, yeah.

3027
03:40:18,310 --> 03:40:27,070
On my commotion to approve the planning and economics development board, public hearing date for the fall town meeting for October 13th, 2026.

3028
03:40:27,310 --> 03:40:28,030
Sir, second.

3029
03:40:29,510 --> 03:40:30,470
Any further discussion?

3030
03:40:31,510 --> 03:40:33,630
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

3031
03:40:33,710 --> 03:40:34,150
Aye.

3032
03:40:34,990 --> 03:40:36,470
No construction reports.

3033
03:40:38,550 --> 03:40:43,450
And we're not going to consider these meeting minutes until the next meeting.

3034
03:40:43,910 --> 03:40:46,710
Is there any other business that may become before the board?

3035
03:41:10,780 --> 03:41:20,600
I want to say I did put a couple of sticks together because I did want to take them

3036
03:41:20,600 --> 03:41:26,840
moment to thank you, Dermany, for your three years of service to midway first as our coordinator

3037
03:41:26,840 --> 03:41:33,000
and then that was our planner. Your research, diligence, attention to policy, and data,

3038
03:41:33,180 --> 03:41:39,400
and commitment to process have made a real difference. And you obviously elevated the position

3039
03:41:39,400 --> 03:41:44,480
during the time you're attested by your promotion. And I think that's really working with

3040
03:41:44,480 --> 03:41:49,240
our growth. It's really prepared you well to step into leadership role as the

3041
03:41:49,240 --> 03:41:59,840
of planning department. And so I just wanted to say that all of your contributions, planning,

3042
03:42:00,280 --> 03:42:06,180
economic development, design review, and a thousand other things have really served the

3043
03:42:06,180 --> 03:42:08,520
I don't think you're here.

3044
03:42:08,560 --> 03:42:08,820
Yes.

3045
03:42:10,500 --> 03:42:11,320
It's dropping.

3046
03:42:11,940 --> 03:42:14,300
If Foxboro drives you nuts, you can come back.

3047
03:42:19,040 --> 03:42:20,160
No, no, no, no, no.

3048
03:42:20,160 --> 03:42:20,840
Well said Sarah.

3049
03:42:20,860 --> 03:42:21,900
Say hi to Mr. Krabs.

3050
03:42:22,680 --> 03:42:22,980
Mr. Krabs.

3051
03:42:22,980 --> 03:42:23,040
Mr. Krabs.

3052
03:42:23,380 --> 03:42:23,660
Mr. Krabs.

3053
03:42:23,720 --> 03:42:23,800
Mr. Krabs.

3054
03:42:23,800 --> 03:42:24,440
Mr. Krabs.

3055
03:42:24,500 --> 03:42:24,840
Mr. Krabs.

3056
03:42:26,920 --> 03:42:29,420
Yeah, he has some crossing going to shore.

3057
03:42:29,900 --> 03:42:30,320
Yeah.

3058
03:42:30,320 --> 03:42:32,300
He's down in Farksboro a lot.

3059
03:42:34,380 --> 03:42:35,420
Thank you, Jeremy.

3060
03:42:36,340 --> 03:42:37,880
I'll miss you.

3061
03:42:38,300 --> 03:42:38,980
Thank you, Jeremy.

3062
03:42:38,980 --> 03:42:42,900
You're the end of another end of Jeremy at Farksboro, but they've been looking

3063
03:42:42,900 --> 03:42:43,960
before you do it though.

3064
03:42:44,320 --> 03:42:44,420
I'm sorry.

3065
03:42:44,880 --> 03:42:45,220
I'm sorry.

3066
03:42:46,220 --> 03:42:46,860
I'm sorry.

3067
03:42:49,640 --> 03:42:50,580
T-stations.

3068
03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:55,640
Yeah, you probably see our group too, maybe not me, but.

3069
03:42:55,640 --> 03:42:57,420
All right, is there a motion to adjourn?

3070
03:42:58,440 --> 03:42:59,060
Is there a second?

3071
03:42:59,980 --> 03:43:00,920
Any further discussion?

3072
03:43:01,780 --> 03:43:04,240
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

3073
03:43:04,380 --> 03:43:04,820
Aye.