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How are you?

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As bad as it sounds

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for a while.

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There's not

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Yes.

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All right, perfect. Hey, welcome

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everyone. Thanks for coming to our

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meeting tonight for our business

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meeting. If you could please rise and

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join us for the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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[clears throat] Well, welcome everyone.

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Thank you for showing up to our monthly

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business meeting. And uh Mr. Campbell,

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let the record reflect that all three

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trustees are present. Even Mr. Becker

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who had a little health scare. So glad

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you could be here with us. I'm glad

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you're doing all right.

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>> That's fine.

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>> The uh before we get into things, I'll I

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always like to go over this so everyone

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knows. Uh here in just a moment, we're

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going to have public comments and public

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comments uh are you have comment cards

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back there and that's for you to talk

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about anything that you want. You get

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five minutes to talk to the board and

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things that are on your mind. If you're

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here for a couple of the zoning cases,

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which I'm betting some of you probably

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are, uh I would suggest holding your

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comments until we get to that zoning

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case because basically you're going to

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have to repeat yourself twice. Uh if

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that makes sense. So,

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>> [clears throat]

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>> um for the sake of that, I would say

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wait till we get to that zoning

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resolution case. Uh but uh if you have

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anything else on your mind here in just

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a moment, you want to grab a public

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comment card back there, fill that out,

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and then we'll come by and grab that uh

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here in just a moment. Uh so, Mr. Mr.

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Campbell, are there any correspondents

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for tonight?

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>> Yes, sir. I have two. The first one is a

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liquor permit. Uh, this is a new permit

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for Amy's FNB LLC,

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uh, doing business as scramblers. 4375

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Ferguson Drive, Sweet C, Cincinnati,

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Ohio 45245.

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police department says I have no

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objections and Mr. Flowy has sent over

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the corresponding zoning and it is

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permitted in that use.

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Uh second, I've got a um a letter from

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the Cincinnati Snapdragons

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uh thank you card. Really says to our

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friends at Union Township, thank you

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again for all your support of the

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Snapdragons.

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Our athletes had fun playing baseball

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this season.

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Please accept our donation as gratitude

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for all you do. The Cincinnati Stop

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Dragons.

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That concludes the correspondence. Good

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job, Mr. Campbell. Appreciate that very

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much. And uh Okay, personnel actions

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tonight. And uh Mr. Taylor, they are

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both for you. So, I will throw the floor

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over to you and I'm going to let you

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introduce the first candidate, sir.

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» Thank you, Mr. uh Dills. Uh oh. Stand in

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front of the podium.

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>> To the podium.

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other side.

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>> Well, we're the ones that got to vote on

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you. So, [laughter]

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>> We're going to we're going to use this

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>> Thank presenting to the board of

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trustees Eric Lenslogger for

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consideration of employment with the

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Union Township Service Department. Mr.

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Lens Slogger is a resident of Claremont

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County.

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Mr. Lton Slogger has uh an extensive

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background in construction, concrete,

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and blacktop, having spent many years in

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the private sector as well as the public

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sector. Uh Mr. Louden Slogger has

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successfully completed all

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pre-employment phases for the

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maintenance worker one position. I would

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like to request that the board appoint

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Mr. or will Eric Lens Slogger to the

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position of maintenance worker one in

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accordance with the collective

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bargaining agreement at the two-year

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rate. Mr. Lton Slugger start date would

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be September 2nd, 2026.

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>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chiller. Uh Mr.

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Becker, anything for Eric?

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considering Union Township for

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employment. You sound like you are

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qualified for the position.

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>> Thank you.

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Mr. Luke, sir.

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>> Uh, hey, no, just we're looking forward

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to welcoming you to the team. We have uh

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so much trust and respect in uh uh your

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boss, Mr. Taylor, and so we know anyone

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that he brings forward is uh uh going to

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be a great asset to to support him and

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the team. So, we're looking forward to

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having you. Thanks.

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>> The uh Eric, yeah, you you got your

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family here?

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>> I did not.

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>> No, it's okay. No sweat. The uh uh

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Claremont County resident, fantastic. A

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lot of asphalt experience. uh you you'll

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definitely be a good fit for the team.

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Uh service department is a great group

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of guys. You're going to love them. So

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they'll have your back. Everyone's

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teammanship mentality. Uh so you you'll

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love it. So um yeah, welcome to the

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team. So uh give me just one more minute

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and then by the way, after we get done

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voting, if you could uh hang out to the

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side just for a minute and then we got

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one more in the service department, then

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we'll grab a picture with you before you

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go. Okay. Perfect. Yeah, no sweat. So uh

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gentlemen, I'll entertain a motion for

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the approval of the hire of Eric

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Lenslagger. That's not German, is it?

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>> To the position of maintenance worker

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one at the step three two-year rate

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consistent with the collective bargain

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agreement with effective date of

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September 2nd, 2026 pending successful

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completion of physical examination.

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>> So move second.

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>> All right. Any discussion? Mr. Campbell.

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Roll call.

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>> Mr. Becker.

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>> Mr. Lo.

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>> Mr. Dills.

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>> Yes.

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>> Motion carries.

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>> Congratulations, Eric.

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Eric.

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>> Congratulations.

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>> He's new here.

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>> Congratulations.

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>> Congrats. Welcome aboard.

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>> Congrats, Eric.

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>> And there just hang out real quick.

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>> Either way. Yeah. the uh do whatever you

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>> Mr. Taylor, sir, I will throw the floor

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right back over to you, sir.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. Uh tonight, I

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would like to present an employee for

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consideration of promotion. I would like

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to present John Cascaden for the

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position of maintenance worker 2, Mr.

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Cascaden. Cascaden has been a service

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department employee since 2006. During

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his tenure, Mr. Cascaden has worked in

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all facets of the service department. He

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has also became a certified playground

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safety instructor and has also received

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a certification in parks and recreation

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management from the NR NP.

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Mr. Cascaden also has an associates

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degree in business administration and

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has successfully completed all facets of

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the promotion

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>> and tested for his weight. [laughter]

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So, um, no, we're we're thrilled that you continue your service

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with us. Uh, so thank you for that.

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John, you got your family here, right?

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>> Let me please point them out. Point

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[clears throat] them out, please.

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» Yeah, I saw I saw

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>> our dispatch. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Well, good. Good. The uh uh John,

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good people, man. 20 years you've been

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with Union Township. Appreciate you very

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much. And uh no doubt you're a leader

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within the team. And uh I know Mr.

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Becker has. I have. We've seen you

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downstairs at the gym many many times

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getting out after 12:00 noon for

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lunchtime like clockworks. So uh but you always step up and help help uh the

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whole team whenever needed. So

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appreciate you very much. Also I've

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heard Mr. Taylor said you went back and

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got several certifications education

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while you've been here for the past 20

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years. Appreciate you very much. So uh

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no doubt we want you to stay here and

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retire with us. So you're doing a great

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job. So appreciate you very much. Yeah

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absolutely. So uh gentlemen I'll

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entertain a motion for the approval for

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the promotion of John Cascaden Jr. to

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the position of maintenance two worker

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maintenance worker two at the step five

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5-year rate consistent with collective

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bargaining agreement effective date

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August 12th 2026

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okay

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» all All right. And by the way, s they're

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going to clear off for a second. If

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anyone has a public comment card, Miss

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is going to be walking around right

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there. If you could hand that to her.

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This is not for zoning cases. Just just

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public comment. She's going to grab

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those.

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Anyone? Oh, it looks like looks like

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Jude's got one. Perfect.

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All right.

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Perfect. Perfect. Thanks, M.

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Okay. Got a few of them. No sweat. All

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right. No particular order. Uh, all

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right. First one. Uh, is it Mark? Is it

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Blackham? Did I say that correct? Mark.

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See, sir, come on up. And then, uh, just

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do me a favor. You got five minutes and

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whatever's on your mind, just state your

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name and address for the record. But you

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are good to go, sir.

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My name is Mark Blackham. My address is

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4257

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Court Ohio

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trustees.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Uh come before you to uh just express my

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concern about the license plate readers

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that have been placed. Um I work in IT

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and uh concerned about information that

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is gathered. Um how it's used

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and the access to that information.

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I don't know if there are any um

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procedures

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and policies that are in place that

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would protect the citizens of their

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people.

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And the other point that I have is that

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one of the cameras was was placed in the

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property.

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>> Okay.

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>> And concerned about the privacy.

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>> Sure.

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>> So it's kind of pointing in towards my

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backyard. So

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>> Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. The uh

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Anything else, Mr. Black? What's that?

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>> Is there any

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policies or procedures that we have

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citizens?

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Now, the now there are other agencies

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that are allowed access to our cameras

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if we allow them. And the best way I can

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explain that to you is if another

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department in another state is looking

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for a stolen car that they believe might

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be in Ohio, specifically Union Township,

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they may ask for permission to access

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our camera system to see if that

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particular plates's been through Union

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Township. And we would typically grant

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that.

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>> And how often does that happen?

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Typically,

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>> quite quite quite quite frequently. that

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we have other departments around the

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country request access to our cameras,

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but that doesn't mean that they have

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access to every still shot of every car

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that's been through Union Township. That

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just means that they are allowed to see

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if the plate or the car they are looking

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for has been through Union Township.

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Sir.

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>> So in in short,

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the positive side of that is criminal

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activity

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that could be associated with a plate

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is what is looked for via like an

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algorithm,

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>> right? I mean, I don't know how much you

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know about the cameras, sir, but they're

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not they're not surveillance in in the

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respect of there's an officer sitting at

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the station watching the cameras and

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it's a live feed. They strictly take

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pictures of cars as they go by. So it's

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a imagine a still shot of a vehicle with

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a license plate on the back.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Does it even maintain visual images or

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does it essentially

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strip the license plate so that like

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>> strictly a picture of a car? If if your

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officers or another entity is looking to

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find a license plate number that that's

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the only license plate number that's

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going to hit if it hits because it came

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through that camera.

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>> If if they give us a license plate

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number. Yeah.

348
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>> So is this camera in a in a neighborhood

349
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or is it on a main drag?

350
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>> It's on um

351
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>> Okay. Because because there are HOA

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cameras that are not controlled by by

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the township.

354
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>> These are township cameras. Okay.

355
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» Yeah, I believe I know the camera you're

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talking about. Those cameras, they're

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not positioned. We don't have any in in

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neighborhoods. They're usually along

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Thorough affairs. However, I can't

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guarantee the the camera that's aimed at

361
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a thoroughare doesn't catch a house or

362
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two in your neighborhood. I think I know

363
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the camera you're talking about, though.

364
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>> Is that one of ours or is that an HOA?

365
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>> That's one of ours.

366
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>> Okay.

367
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>> Yeah.

368
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>> Okay.

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our our cameras are only that that the

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township leases are only on thorough

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affairs. Think old 74 125 uh Mount

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Carmel Tobasco Road. They're not back in

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neighborhoods on on on township streets.

374
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>> Okay.

375
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>> Yeah. Well, and so what is the retention

376
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period on that?

377
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>> 30 days.

378
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>> Yeah. Th So those those still shots that

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are taken are captured for 30 days. So

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if you drive by by one today, you're

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placed captured for 30 days. Then the

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camera overwrites it. So we have 30 days

383
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a 30-day look back period on those.

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» Correct. Correct.

385
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» So is there any reports on

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the destruction of that information?

387
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>> They're strictly wrote over. I I'm sure

388
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that if we did a breakdown, we could

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tell what plates for what period of time

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were captured in our system if we did an

391
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audit on it. But we trust that the

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system overwrites it every 30 days. And

393
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it's a pretty easy check. I mean, we can

394
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check if we if we've looked for a

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certain license plate on a certain date.

396
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If it's still in there 30 days after 30

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days from then, then we'll know the

398
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system's not working correct.

399
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» I just have concern in general about it.

400
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>> Sure. gathering information about our

401
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citizens. You know, I I would expect

402
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that, you know, if I was in a prison or

403
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incarcerated, but in our environment, I

404
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don't expect that, you know, to be

405
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something that our government would be

406
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gathering information about the citizens

407
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and those types of things. I

408
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frankly,

409
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you know, probably looking at this

410
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you know investigations and stuff

411
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criminal activity uh our area is very

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low you know crime area that's one of

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the reasons why I live here and you know

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having that extra surveillance as a

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citizen something I don't really expect

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to have here

417
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» I completely understand hear your

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perspective on it and I'm definitely

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open continuing to hear, you know, your

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type of concern, uh, community's

421
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perspectives as well. Um, I I agree with

422
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you too from your own individual

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perspective as we live in a safe

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community. Um, I guess I have somewhat

425
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firsthand experience where uh, my wife's

426
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car was stolen out of our driveway,

427
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middle of the night, and the license

428
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plate hit on flock cameras that were

429
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along Beachmont Avenue somewhere. I

430
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think it's Beachmont Avenue. Don't cite

431
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me to that specific fact. It was

432
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somewhere east of here through Anderson

433
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Township. Um, and between that and

434
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having a locator on the car that I

435
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thankfully had uh with some other

436
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possessions in the car, um, it it made

437
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it so that the team was able to recover

438
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that car within five hours since it was

439
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stolen. Um, which was miraculous. But

440
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that do recognize when you're in that

441
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you know,

442
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criminal activity comes to your

443
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doorstep.

444
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» Yeah.

445
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» Me either. And I'd chat with you as long

446
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as I could too on I carry this in my

447
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pocket, right?

448
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I carry this in my pocket like pretty

449
00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:04,320
much everybody else here. And

450
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,520
this has a camera, microphone,

451
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,480
everything

452
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>> you choose to take with you.

453
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,760
>> Yeah. With you. It's not

454
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>> right.

455
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>> I'm just telling you I I I hear you and

456
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completely understand. And that that's

457
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type of technology that has been

458
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[clears throat] accessible to be able to

459
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um

460
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outside of our jurisdiction. That's all

461
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I can say. Yeah.

462
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>> Mr. Black, I'll just say this and then

463
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uh and then I I I'll be good. But um it

464
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solved a lot of crime very fast, very

465
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quickly. If we if we do the old school

466
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way, that's fine, too. We can absolutely

467
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do that and pull them down. I don't have

468
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a problem with that at all.

469
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>> [snorts]

470
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>> Um, if if someone was to break into your

471
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car, uh, and you capture a a black

472
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Toyota Camry, but that's all the

473
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information you have at 11 o'clock at

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night, we can run that data, type in

475
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black Toyota Camry, and from 11:00 to

476
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11:15 or 11:30, if it pass any of those

477
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cameras, we can narrow it down and just

478
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help the detectives. Oh, there's the

479
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license plate. Let's track the address.

480
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,799
Let's go knock on a door. Um, it would

481
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:08,159
help solve crime, it does help solve

482
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crimes a lot faster. However, uh if if

483
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the community of Union Township feels

484
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like it's it's they don't like them,

485
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they don't want them, um that's that's

486
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fine. We can we can take them down. Um I

487
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don't think that's a sort of any one of

488
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us is going to die or who any of us is

489
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going to die on. I'll tell you, um

490
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>> I just don't want to make a knee-jerk

491
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reaction because I'll tell you, all the

492
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surrounding police forces have them for

493
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the most part. For the most part. And we would be the only ones that

494
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didn't. Then then the question goes,

495
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well then do you want us to access if

496
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your house or car got broke into or

497
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someone hit skip and they left, do you

498
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want us to access flocks and Anderson,

499
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Miami, Hamilton Township to try to track

500
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down the criminal or is that unfair?

501
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Should we not do that because we took

502
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ours down? So those are questions that

503
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we need to ask. So I don't want to make

504
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an reaction, but I will say if the

505
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community of Union Township solely feels

506
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that this is a violation and it

507
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violates, you know, our Fourth Amendment

508
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rights, then um roger that. We'll pull

509
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them down. Um, however, however,

510
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,880
um, we cannot complain when it takes

511
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three, four, five weeks to solve a

512
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simple break into a car when it could

513
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have taken two hours. You know, and the

514
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biggest example I can give is the Mason

515
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shooting that happened. Guy got 22

516
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bullets put in him and it was because of

517
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a flock camera and tracked down the guy

518
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on 275 and he got him real quick. Um,

519
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,320
would have happened that fast if they

520
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,799
didn't have flock cameras to to when that car passed that plate. Uh, so

521
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questions we all have to just think and

522
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ask ourselves, but uh, but I I for me,

523
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I'll speak for me, it's not a hill I'm

524
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willing to die on. If the community

525
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doesn't want them, we'll pull them down.

526
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However, I will say it does help solve

527
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crime pretty quickly. Um, so but but but

528
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all good, you know, I hear you loud and

529
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clear though. Yeah.

530
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>> Yeah. No problem. Thank you, sir.

531
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Appreciate you.

532
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>> Yeah, good question.

533
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:52,000
>> Okay, now Mr. Chair, looking at this

534
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one, this one might be for you, just so

535
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,159
you know. So, you might want to take

536
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:55,760
down this name and address. Uh, I got a

537
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,440
Scott Shielman and hopefully I'm

538
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,480
pronouncing your name right. Shean

539
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Shielman.

540
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» 2016.

541
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,200
» Oh, I see your case number. Yeah. Yeah,

542
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,240
you're good. I I don't need this thing.

543
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,520
You're fine. Yep. Never mind. You're

544
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,279
good. [snorts] Okay, perfect. Sorry. The

545
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,720
uh Okay. Uh, let's see here. Uh, John

546
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,559
Hunt.

547
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,480
>> Mr. Hunt.

548
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,080
>> Oh gosh. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

549
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,559
So, yeah.

550
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:23,840
>> Yeah. You're good. You're good. No

551
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,919
sweat. Oh, our good friend, Mr. Dit.

552
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:37,269
Jude, come on up.

553
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,159
» Mr. Dit, you you know protocol. You go

554
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:43,990
on ahead. The floor is yours.

555
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,559
» Good evening, gentlemen. My name is

556
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:53,669
Jude, 392 Banks Road.

557
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:57,679
Um, I just wanted to congratulate all of

558
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:01,200
you, including the police chief, for a

559
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,400
wonderful police night out. It was

560
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:04,799
great.

561
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,000
>> It was

562
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,799
>> um I was helping with the food and

563
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,200
around the back of the concession stand

564
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,240
down at the bottom of the hill.

565
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,440
It was Now, I know that that was all

566
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,279
reworked this year. That land was re

567
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,320
It needs some smoothing. It needs some

568
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,039
It still needs a little bit of work. We

569
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:35,840
had trouble walking down the hill. Um

570
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,279
people with small children were the kids

571
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,720
were tripping. Um

572
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,159
it it just needs some some rework. So I

573
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,159
just wanted to let you know about that

574
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,960
and I will be back in the spring to

575
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,120
remind you to have done.

576
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,039
>> Which part of the park specifically?

577
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,039
>> Behind the concession stand.

578
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,640
>> No, gotcha. Gotcha. Michelle, are you

579
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,919
good on that?

580
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,812
>> We got you, Mr. Good call. Yeah. Yeah.

581
00:26:04,812 --> 00:26:05,679
[clears throat]

582
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:09,279
>> But that was really the only problem I

583
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:13,110
saw.

584
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,240
» But I just let you know. I'll be back in

585
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,760
the spring.

586
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,533
>> Yes, ma'am.

587
00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:22,159
>> [clears throat]

588
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:25,760
>> But we had fun and it was all really

589
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,720
well done.

590
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,200
>> No,

591
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,240
>> thank you so much.

592
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,440
>> I appreciate the kind words and

593
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,720
encouragement. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

594
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,679
>> Thank you for volunteering.

595
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,039
>> Thank you.

596
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,360
>> The uh

597
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,440
>> Okay, last call. Is there any other

598
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,120
public comments at all? Anything on your

599
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,400
mind?

600
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720
>> All right, seeing none, we'll close

601
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,640
public comments

602
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,960
and all right, department reports. Uh

603
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,640
let's start with our fire chief. Uh,

604
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,799
Chief Clemens, sir, floor is yours.

605
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,400
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. Uh, real quick,

606
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,000
just an update on today's storm that

607
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,159
came through. Uh, I know a lot of a lot

608
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:57,600
of residents are currently without

609
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,919
power. Uh, notification from Duke is

610
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:01,919
that 40,000 residents within Claremont

611
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,000
County are currently out. Uh, could take

612
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,960
up to 24 hours to get everybody back up

613
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,640
and running. So, just an update on that.

614
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,600
We handled about 25 to 30 emergency

615
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840
calls with trees and wires down within

616
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
that hour of the storm. So, it was a

617
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,520
pretty busy day for the fire department.

618
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,279
Um, so in the month of July, the fire

619
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,600
department responded to 231 fire and

620
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480
service calls, 667

621
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,880
EMS calls, which totals 8uh 98 total

622
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,279
calls, which was average of 29 calls per

623
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,320
day. Made patient contact with 604

624
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,039
patients and transported 489 of those.

625
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,400
uh completed 808 hours of training, took

626
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,520
part in 13 public education details,

627
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760
hosted ride time for EMT paramedic

628
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,880
students in a total of 78 hours, uh

629
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,159
completed 48 life safety inspections and

630
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:56,559
16 inspections in conjunction with

631
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,480
Claremont County Building Department.

632
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,640
And that concludes my report.

633
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,440
>> Thanks, Chief. Mr. Becker.

634
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,360
>> Um I'm good. Okay,

635
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:10,230
>> Mr. Luke, sir.

636
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,679
Chief, if anyone's having uh uh

637
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,919
pain in their jaw, pain in their left

638
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:22,000
arm, um chest tightness, sweating, uh

639
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,080
what should they do and how fast should

640
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,799
they do it? Yeah, all of those are some

641
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,279
serious uh symptoms uh which our

642
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,600
recommendation is to to call 911 as fast

643
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,360
as possible and get somebody get a

644
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,440
professional on scene to mitigate the

645
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,039
situation of transport.

646
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,320
>> Well, nobody told me that.

647
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,279
>> Okay.

648
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,399
>> Um [laughter]

649
00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:42,640
should should should uh someone in that

650
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,279
condition uh then also drive themsel to

651
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,840
the hospital?

652
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,880
>> I'll leave that. You don't have to

653
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,000
answer that. You don't have to answer

654
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,360
that. I'll leave it at that. I'm good.

655
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,159
Thanks, Chief. [laughter]

656
00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:55,600
I didn't expect. That was pretty funny.

657
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,480
>> That was funny.

658
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,880
>> Yeah.

659
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720
>> Good opportunity to ask this fire chief

660
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,039
some questions.

661
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,640
>> You're good. You're good. Thank you,

662
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,799
chief. And then, uh, our police

663
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,279
department, uh, Chief Reese, sir.

664
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,640
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. In the month of

665
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,440
July, the, uh, communications section

666
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,200
handled 5,332 calls for service. Our

667
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,720
record section processed uh 572

668
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,640
court related documents for juvenile and

669
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,080
adult court. We processed 148 uh court

670
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,919
notices requiring an officer's

671
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:31,120
appearance in court, handled 173 records

672
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,440
requests, and redacted 36 body camera

673
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
videos. In the area public relations,

674
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,880
officers conducted uh or took part

675
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,880
participated in six events, including

676
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,360
two active shooter response trainings

677
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,120
for area businesses. We participated in

678
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,279
the Fourth of July parade parade in

679
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,520
Shaylor Crossing, hosted a bike bicycle

680
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240
safety event in the polar fields, and

681
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,840
participated in a quarterly outreach

682
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,159
program with Eastgate Walmart, and we

683
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,000
conducted one safety talk at a senior

684
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,520
living facility. In the area of

685
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,080
operations, our officers took 367

686
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,480
incident reports, 100 crash reports,

687
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,480
made 554 traffic stops, issued 176

688
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,919
citations, 354 warnings, made 98

689
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,559
criminal arrests, 91 traffic arrests,

690
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,159
and served 83 criminal warrants. In the

691
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:19,840
area of training, our officers attended

692
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,720
80 hours of training uh in the month of

693
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,039
July. Currently within the police police

694
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,880
department, we have three open police

695
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,159
officer positions and a open dispatch

696
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:33,200
position. Um, I just want to close by

697
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,919
thanking our residents. Uh, as Miss Dit

698
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,000
had noted, was another great police

699
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,480
night out. Uh, probably the highest

700
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,960
attendance we've had. And I also want to

701
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120
thank, uh, my fellow department heads,

702
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,000
uh, Mr. Taylor and Chief Clemens. Um

703
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,559
just the touch of the the uh tower truck

704
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,960
and the flag uh helping with air care

705
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,240
landing. It it really it's the police

706
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,600
night out but it's really a township

707
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,279
event and I just appreciate the help of

708
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,520
all the other uh departments and making

709
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,120
it a success. And lastly um to echo

710
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,679
Chief Clemens comments today was an

711
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,919
absolute mess. Um I stopped in our our

712
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:10,240
dispatch center and I'm really proud of

713
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640
our dispatchers. They handled a really

714
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,880
tough time incredibly, including one

715
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,559
dispatcher who literally got a phone

716
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,000
call while I was in there that a tree

717
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,880
came down and totaled her garage. Uh we

718
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,480
had extra help on today. She didn't

719
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
leave. Uh she stayed there. Uh and I

720
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
heard her tell her fellow dispatchers

721
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,080
she wasn't going to leave them in that

722
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,720
mess. So just so proud of of all our

723
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,320
people. They they work really hard for our township residents. That

724
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,320
concludes my report. Thank you.

725
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,039
>> Thanks, Chief Reese. Uh vice chair.

726
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,880
>> Uh yeah, a couple things. So, first off,

727
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200
um, kudos on on police night out. It was

728
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,440
a once again a great event. Uh, on the

729
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,519
callout reports there, there was one

730
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,440
particular case I want to ask you about.

731
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,840
It was a child in dangering would occur

732
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,279
on July 14th. A little girl,

733
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,799
two-year-old, severe burns. So, two

734
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,559
questions.

735
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:08,159
How is she? What's her condition? Is she recovered and or or not? And and

736
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:10,399
what happened? Yeah. So, this was a

737
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:14,080
young girl in this this case you're mentioning. Uh she had

738
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440
seconddegree burns. Long story short, no

739
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360
criminal, no neglect involved here. This

740
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,200
was an apartment complex. The family

741
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
just moved in. Um this is a younger

742
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,600
child that got into the bathtub, turned

743
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,000
the water on, and the maintenance

744
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
unfortunately had the the water heater

745
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,760
settings very high. Um she the the

746
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,600
girl's doing fine. We we got her to the

747
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,200
hospital, treated her for the burns, and

748
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,000
she's okay.

749
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,960
>> All right. Good. Yeah.

750
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
>> Yeah. That that's that's easy to happen.

751
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That's all I

752
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
have. Chairman,

753
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,919
>> Mr. L.

754
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:48,559
>> Hey, quick question, Chief, with um

755
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,399
again an interest to hear from the

756
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:53,120
community and and and and just really

757
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,120
keep the pulse with that. Uh like like

758
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Trusty Dills said, um

759
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,399
cameras, um if the community wants them

760
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,720
or if the community doesn't want them,

761
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,320
um fine either way. uh would it be

762
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,679
impactful or difficult in the reporting

763
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,000
if if you know I'm not sure if there is

764
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,279
a count of when a flock camera's use in

765
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,720
the preceding 30 days like benefited

766
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,480
solving

767
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,360
a crime or apprehending someone or like

768
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,799
>> there's probably nothing ever positive.

769
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,200
I know maybe historically too now

770
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960
there's a lot of discussion about flock

771
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,120
cameras and people are looking where

772
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,120
things are at and I understand there's a

773
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,440
police perspective of criminals

774
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,120
avoid

775
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,799
those cameras as they can. Um, so I I

776
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,120
don't know how much of that

777
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,279
help is is is positive for the

778
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:54,480
discussion to hear from the community,

779
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,840
but yeah, as far as just a count of

780
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000
utilization, is that something that

781
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,399
>> Yeah, good question. And we're trying,

782
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,080
we're doing a much better job now

783
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,799
because this is such a polarizing topic

784
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,040
of tracking our success stories. I can

785
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,440
tell you these cameras are used every

786
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520
day from minor misdemeanor shopliftings

787
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,440
where they get take off in a car to

788
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,359
major felonies. You know, we are solving

789
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,359
real crime every day with these cameras

790
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,359
and I wholeheartedly believe that the

791
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,960
township is much safer because we have

792
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,679
these cameras, but I do understand uh

793
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,079
the the effect and and the impression

794
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,399
that they leave on the community. Um

795
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:31,839
we're solving crimes every day with

796
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:33,200
them.

797
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,560
>> Is is there is there ability to to Yeah.

798
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,159
to have uh utilization.

799
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,280
>> Uh you do

800
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,720
>> you want like a hard number of how many

801
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,639
crimes we're solving monthly with them

802
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,119
>> to just just consider if that's if

803
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,440
that's a value ad to the discussion or

804
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,359
if the residents would want to would

805
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:54,079
want to know it um or or see it at a

806
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,320
trustees report. I don't know if Becker

807
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,200
or Dells would have something to add to

808
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,760
that concept, but it's just a question.

809
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:08,880
So, um I don't have a metric to say go find now, but if you're open to

810
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,800
seeing if he comes up with something or

811
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,760
hey, here's how it's a pro or a con and

812
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,839
or this utilization rate of the flock

813
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:16,880
cameras.

814
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,560
>> It's used every It's used Yeah, it's

815
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,480
been used 30 times in the last 30 days

816
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,760
and solved 30 crimes.

817
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,440
>> It would be interesting to see the the

818
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,760
crimes that have been solved. Um

819
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,359
especially I mean I think of the what

820
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,119
with the Venezuelan nationals that were

821
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,720
knocking off a sheriffax I think three

822
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,079
different times they got busted all

823
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:32,720
three times

824
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:33,680
>> with flockers

825
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
>> with flocks. I mean that's great stuff

826
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,480
and there's more and more stories like

827
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,480
that and I think a compilation of those

828
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,320
kind of stories is is great for the

829
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,760
community that want to hear that.

830
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,400
>> Yeah.

831
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,000
We can certainly do that.

832
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,800
>> Imagine the data pool's got to be be by

833
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,640
that auditor that investigative

834
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,760
sergeant. Yeah.

835
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,839
uh if it does not put too much of a

836
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:55,440
stress or bandwidth on the police

837
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,040
because you are three officers short

838
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,040
right now. Uh I say absolutely I'd like

839
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,640
to have those stats but if you can't you

840
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,720
can't I understand as well. So

841
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,240
>> that's we can do that for sure.

842
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:05,040
>> Thank you.

843
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,599
>> Thanks.

844
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,000
>> Great question for you. Uh Chief I'll

845
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,280
say uh I'm looking here total calls

846
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,119
5,484

847
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,680
total calls to your dispatch center. Uh

848
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,280
that is a record for the year. It's the

849
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,960
most we've had uh was in July. Um, and the the the the stat I always like

850
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,079
to look at is how many traffic stops we

851
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,640
had. We had 554 traffic stops.

852
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,240
Obviously, those are variable for

853
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,720
running a stop sign to to, you know,

854
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,560
getting pulled over doing, you know, 85,

855
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,760
right? Um, but citations was 176, but

856
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,320
warnings was 354, you know. So, that's I

857
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,280
just I love that fact that we try to uh

858
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,119
not be hardline police officers and

859
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,040
understand, you know, things happen and

860
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,560
we let people off with a warning. I I

861
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,720
like that. So, But I but I will say I

862
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,320
agree with uh you and uh both you and

863
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Chief Clemens and um Mr. Taylor, which

864
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,240
you're coming up next, but uh all three

865
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,320
of you, your team did a great job uh

866
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,839
preparing the lands, the landscape, and

867
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:03,200
the parks to get ready for police night

868
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,480
out. That's our biggest night of the

869
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,640
year. Great job to your team. And then

870
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,160
both of you both, I mean, I think you

871
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,000
all had just about equal amount of staff

872
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
there. So, uh, um, your firefighters and

873
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,200
police officers were greeting everybody

874
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,520
nicely and smiling and out and just, uh,

875
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,960
giving them tours of their trucks and

876
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,280
equipment and everything and, um, yeah,

877
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,800
just really awesome night. Great job.

878
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,880
You handled yourselves, uh, top-notch.

879
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,160
So, good job both of you. Appreciate it.

880
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,640
>> Thank you, sir.

881
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,839
>> Yeah. Well done.

882
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,920
>> The, uh, M. Taylor, your service

883
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,520
department, sir, you were up. Floor is

884
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,320
yours.

885
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. In the cemetery

886
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,920
division from July 1st through the 31st,

887
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,000
16 burials were performed generating

888
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,349
$29,552.

889
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:46,079
18 resident crays were purchased for

890
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,000
$36,000.

891
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,240
Two column barium niches were purchased

892
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,400
for $6,000.

893
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,960
Uh nine foundation orders uh were

894
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,599
purchased for $2,934.

895
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:58,960
The total amount generated for the

896
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,640
period was 75,986.

897
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,520
In the parks division, uh weekly mowing

898
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,079
and trimming and landscape continues on

899
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,720
uh all township buildings and within our

900
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,760
parks. And in the roads division, the

901
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,079
road department patched a total of 96

902
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,839
potholes over 13 township streets and a

903
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,000
total of 23 work orders were completed

904
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,200
on multiple township roads. And that

905
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,200
concludes my report.

906
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,440
>> Great. Good job. Mr. Becker, sir.

907
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,320
>> Yeah. How

908
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,760
>> Mr. Lo? I'm good. Thank you. Uh Mr.

909
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,280
Taylor, your team's doing a good job.

910
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,440
And then uh um I think Mr. Cascaden, 20

911
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,760
years is well overdue for promotion. So

912
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,960
good night for him. I'm glad to hear

913
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,680
that.

914
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,800
>> The uh Okay, Mr. Flouty. Planning and

915
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,240
zoning director, sir. The floor is

916
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,280
yours.

917
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,240
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. the inspection and

918
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,560
violations. This month, there were a

919
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,839
total of 38 inspections, 18 complaints

920
00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:59,920
received, three of those complaints

921
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,760
being unfounded, eight [clears throat]

922
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
warning citations issued in the month of

923
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800
July, three 15-day non-compliance

924
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,760
letters with one 30-day violation

925
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,800
letter. There were a total of 10

926
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,800
resolved with and without action

927
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,880
complaints, 496 illegal signs removed,

928
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,040
12 miscellaneous issues resolved for a

929
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,200
monthly total violation of 19 and one

930
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,599
nuisance filed within the month of July.

931
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,320
The activity we had one change of use,

932
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,680
seven signs issued, one temporary sale.

933
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200
We had seven single family homes issued,

934
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,560
five additions, four decks,

935
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,200
eight accessories, and 11 pools and

936
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,320
fences for a monthly total of 44 permits

937
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,280
and a total revenue of $8,225.

938
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,079
And that concludes my report.

939
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,680
Mr. Vice Chair, I'm good. Mr. Lo,

940
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,200
>> good. Thank you, Mr. Flood.

941
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,119
>> Mr. FY, great job. You're busy. Nice

942
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,839
job. Uh, all right. Lastly is our

943
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:10,160
township administrator, Mr. Wright. Go

944
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,800
ahead, sir.

945
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,160
>> Thank you, sir. I'll be brief with the

946
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,800
zoning hearings. We have uh not much to

947
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,977
provide on the old 74

948
00:40:16,977 --> 00:40:17,040
>> [clears throat]

949
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,440
>> uh schoolhouse to block box and sidewalk

950
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,240
systemic safety grant. Stage one plans

951
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,240
have been submitted to ODOT and that's

952
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,880
in process. Uh we have applied as I

953
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,720
mentioned previously for transportation

954
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,520
alternative funding for the Icult

955
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,440
expansion. is basically from Walmart

956
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,079
kind of getting us down to Ivy Point in

957
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,880
that I expect we will do well on the

958
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,119
scoring but OKI canled their August

959
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,119
meeting so we'll have to wait for good

960
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,000
news until September hopefully

961
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,400
uh when they score those projects. Uh

962
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,720
unfortunately, ODOT did not approve our

963
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,480
systemic safety grant application for

964
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,160
some road, but again we uh I am

965
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,240
relatively stubborn. So we are going to

966
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,960
reapply as they like the project, but

967
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,599
there was a lot of need. Um we did

968
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,880
however receive about $150,000 in CDBG

969
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,240
funding to advance a portion of

970
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,760
sidewalks on uh Somerside Road. So uh

971
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,280
we'll be working with the county through

972
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,480
that process. 2026 road rate road

973
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200
resurfacing projects are underway. Uh

974
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,720
roads you'll start to see milling and

975
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,040
filling activities. Uh the bulk of the

976
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,400
activities to date have been curb

977
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,240
replacements throughout the county. And

978
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,640
again we we save a lot of money through

979
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,040
this program. Uh so a little bit of

980
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,440
delay is worth it because we are able to

981
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839
stretch our paving dollars further every

982
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:39,040
year. Um work continues on the safe

983
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,680
routes plan. Uh Mr. Woodruff and Mr.

984
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,920
Flouty are all over that. I do have news

985
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,319
on the OPWC project on Elmont. All of

986
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:47,680
the easements have been secured. We're

987
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,079
waiting on utility relocations and the

988
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,000
county will be bidding that out. There

989
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,760
will be a separate sidewalk addition

990
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,800
that's not included in the OPWC grant

991
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,480
because of the way that they score those

992
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,240
projects. If you put a sidewalk in, they

993
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,720
penalize you. I don't understand why,

994
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,200
but anyway, we'll be bringing that to

995
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,160
the board for that when uh we get closer

996
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,280
to a bid award or a bid a bid award uh

997
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,319
number there. Um just a couple other

998
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:18,560
items. Uh we we are um we will be

999
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,359
bringing a Jed 9 expansion to you to add

1000
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:24,240
an additional uh facility to that. Um

1001
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:25,599
and we have a couple of nuisance

1002
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,040
resolutions for the board and uh the

1003
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
hazard mitigation plan. Just a couple of

1004
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,920
late ads. We did have a uh then a

1005
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,200
certificate for uh park uh water usage

1006
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,240
and uh we also added uh uh we have an

1007
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,119
OPWC joint application authorization

1008
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,839
with u Miami Township for slide repairs.

1009
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,520
The countyy's not doing slide repairs

1010
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,760
unfortunately this year. So if we ban

1011
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,440
together with another organization, we

1012
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560
tend to score better. Um

1013
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,920
uh we're looking specifically at

1014
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,280
Baldwin. Um,

1015
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,119
last item, there's an item on on the

1016
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,440
agenda to transfer a fire truck uh

1017
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839
disposed property to the CIC for

1018
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:08,880
economic development purposes. And, uh,

1019
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,359
that is something if you recall, we use

1020
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,920
the CIC to acquire equipment, but we

1021
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,200
also use it to dispose of equipment. So,

1022
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,839
uh, that really concludes my report.

1023
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:21,839
>> Thank you, sir. Uh, vice chairman.

1024
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,560
>> No, I'm good. Mr. Loen,

1025
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,200
>> I have nothing.

1026
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,680
>> You're good.

1027
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,800
>> Okay. That's right. Good. Good job.

1028
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Thank you for the report. Uh, okay.

1029
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,800
Public hearings.

1030
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,400
Now, there's four of them. I'm betting

1031
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,160
you are most here for two of them out of

1032
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,720
the four. Uh, so we put the two easiest

1033
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,160
ones first so we can knock them out and

1034
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,520
those folks can go home and then

1035
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,160
obviously the latter two uh the end. So,

1036
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,640
all right. Public hearings. Okay. And uh

1037
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,240
public hearing case, Union Township

1038
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,599
overlay case 3-26-

1039
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,400
Oscar. Uh, Mr. Flouty, would you like to

1040
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,599
go and explain that one, sir?

1041
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,760
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Dills. This

1042
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,960
application is located at 1118 Ferris

1043
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,079
Road. The applicant is Mike Shabbesta,

1044
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,119
and he is requesting approval from the

1045
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,760
Union Township Board of Trustees for an

1046
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,920
overlay district plan consisting of five

1047
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,880
new structures. One of them being a 2500

1048
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,920
twostory structure for a shop and office

1049
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,560
use, while there'll be four additional

1050
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,200
lean to/additions to the existing

1051
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,079
structure. The applicant is additionally

1052
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,960
seeking relief from the 10-ft and 20

1053
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,079
foot M1 zoning district minimum setbacks

1054
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,920
per article 6 to have the minimum rear

1055
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,440
and sideyard setbacks be at 3'6 in and

1056
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,400
this project is located in the Bach

1057
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,200
Buckton Road commercial corridor. Some

1058
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,839
background information, the primary

1059
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:50,240
principal structure site was constructed

1060
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,880
around 1988. Since that time, the main

1061
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,599
building has primarily housed DFS

1062
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,920
business entities and a variety of other

1063
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,240
light industrial uses. They were

1064
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,040
recently here in 2025 with another

1065
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,319
accessory structure that was approved.

1066
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:09,359
Some staff review and analysis. This

1067
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:11,920
proposal meets the proposed intent of

1068
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,079
both the adopted comprehensive land use

1069
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,599
plan and the overall overlay district

1070
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,800
regulations. The plan proposes the

1071
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,480
expansion and/or addition of

1072
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,280
pre-existing structures or uses such as

1073
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,160
warehouses, stoages, and office [snorts]

1074
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,800
spaces. No new lighting is proposed at

1075
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,599
this time. When the time of permitting

1076
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,599
comes, we'll need it subject to article

1077
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,680
14 of the zoning resolution. And any non

1078
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,680
enclosed structure generally used for

1079
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,760
storage should be efficiently screened

1080
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,000
from the main road via landscaping or

1081
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,119
fencing to maintain maintain a cohesive

1082
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,960
level of visual cleanliness.

1083
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,720
The action required tonight is in

1084
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,480
accordance with section 1310 of the

1085
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,480
zoning resolution that the board of

1086
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040
trustees is to enter a motion to approve

1087
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,760
as submitted, approve with modifications

1088
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,560
or deny this focus area overlay district

1089
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,839
application as pres presented in Union

1090
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:13,599
Township zoning case 3-26-.

1091
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,839
There are five recommended modifications

1092
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,680
should the board choose to grant

1093
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
favorably upon this application. The

1094
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,240
first one being that the applicant shall

1095
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,480
comply with the requirements of all

1096
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,839
federal, state, and local agencies. All

1097
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:31,359
future lighting shall meet the adopted

1098
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,680
article 14

1099
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,880
regulations of the zoning resolution.

1100
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,079
Any monument signage shall be compliant

1101
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,800
with the 2030 land use plan. The

1102
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,400
applicant shall provide additional

1103
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
privacy fencing and screening for

1104
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,640
materials should any fall within out of

1105
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,960
the completely enclosed building. And

1106
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,920
lastly, the applicant shall review shall

1107
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
be subject to review of the buildings

1108
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,599
containing the number of structures,

1109
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,760
square footage, location, and materials

1110
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,440
subject to administrative review and

1111
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,760
approval. And that concludes the report

1112
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,990
for the overlay case 3-26-

1113
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,079
» Mr. F. Do do we have any pictures of

1114
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,280
what these future buildings are going to

1115
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,000
look like?

1116
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,160
>> Uh, we do not have any pictures of what

1117
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,560
the actual architectural renderings, but

1118
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,319
>> the applicant can speak better on this,

1119
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:28,400
but it would match the existing

1120
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,480
buildings. It would be a metal metal

1121
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,599
construction. Uh, since this is in the

1122
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,680
M1 district and the surrounding

1123
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,720
buildings are in

1124
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,240
>> Hold on one second, sir. Hold on. I'll

1125
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,000
sir, I'll call you up in just one

1126
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
second. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Um,

1127
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,200
>> okay. Fair enough. Um, Mr. Becker, any

1128
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:45,599
questions?

1129
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:46,319
>> No.

1130
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:47,520
>> Mr. Logan, any questions?

1131
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,240
>> Not currently.

1132
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,640
>> Okay. Um, [snorts]

1133
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,640
Mr. Poly for future.

1134
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,240
>> Um,

1135
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,400
I get it. I I want pictures of what the

1136
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,599
future buildings are going to look like

1137
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,119
from now on. So, tell the applicants

1138
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:00,560
from now. I'd like to see those. Okay.

1139
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,480
just some kind of what they're going to

1140
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,960
look like, not just, you know, not this.

1141
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,520
>> Okay.

1142
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,000
>> For for any new building. I would like

1143
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,119
to see an actual,

1144
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,160
>> you know, picture what it's going to

1145
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,599
look like. So, okay, fair enough. No

1146
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,240
worries. Uh, okay. Uh, gentlemen, uh,

1147
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,520
I'll entertain a motion to open this

1148
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,920
public hearing case, Union Township, uh,

1149
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,559
overlay case 3-26-

1150
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:23,200
Oscar.

1151
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,319
>> So, move. Second.

1152
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:27,200
>> Any discussion? Mr. Kimber, roll call.

1153
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,920
>> Mr. Becker?

1154
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,400
>> Yes.

1155
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,200
>> Mr. Lo,

1156
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:29,839
>> yes.

1157
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:30,720
>> Mr. Mr. Dills.

1158
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:31,200
>> Yes.

1159
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680
>> Public hearing is opened at 6:48.

1160
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,480
>> All right.

1161
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,240
>> Public hearing is open. All right. So

1162
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,480
now, sorry, forgot to follow protocol.

1163
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,079
So, sorry. The I'll go and call you up.

1164
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,680
So, first thing, well, first thing, just

1165
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,280
so I'm going to I'll call anyone up that

1166
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,960
is a proponent of this case, and then

1167
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,720
I'll uh here's how I'm going to do this

1168
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,240
with all zoning cases tonight. Just so

1169
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,680
you know, there's four of them. I'm

1170
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
going to call up usually the the person

1171
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,920
that would like to have this passed. Uh

1172
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,280
and then I'll call up anyone that's

1173
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,599
against it. And then I'll then I'll call

1174
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,680
up again. So, the developer, whoever's

1175
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
purchasing the property, wants to do the

1176
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,599
project to basically kind of counter any

1177
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,040
answer any questions for those that are

1178
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,720
against uh the case. Just, you know,

1179
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:07,520
that's how I'm going to do it for the

1180
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,200
every single case tonight. So, uh but

1181
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,400
just do me a favor. I got to swear you

1182
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,319
in and uh go ahead and raise your right

1183
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:13,280
hand if you could.

1184
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,480
>> Do you swear to tell the truth, the

1185
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,839
whole truth, nothing but the truth. So,

1186
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:16,800
hope you be God.

1187
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,280
>> I do.

1188
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,400
>> Okay, great. And then just state your

1189
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,324
name and address for the right.

1190
00:49:19,324 --> 00:49:19,680
[clears throat]

1191
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,720
>> Mike Shabbusta. Our business is located

1192
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,760
at 1118 Ferris Road, Amelia, Ohio 45102,

1193
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,459
I1 Anderson Township,

1194
00:49:30,459 --> 00:49:31,680
[clears throat] Fireside Drive.

1195
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,720
>> Perfect. Yeah.

1196
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,720
>> Uh the floor is yours. Whatever you like

1197
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,839
to say. Yeah.

1198
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:40,079
>> So, it turns out it's a very expensive

1199
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,319
process to even start to think about

1200
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,960
building a building. So, in this case, I

1201
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,960
failed to put the two side pieces on

1202
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,640
last year when I put the first building

1203
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,960
in.

1204
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,040
>> Yeah. So on this particular drawing, all

1205
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,800
the way to the corner there next to

1206
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,760
Dave's driveway, the white strip,

1207
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,279
without

1208
00:49:59,279 --> 00:50:01,839
[clears throat] your approval, nothing

1209
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:04,240
can happen. After that, you're looking

1210
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,040
at $6 to $8,000 for a water management

1211
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,160
study.

1212
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,880
>> Uh it's, you know, you could spend 10

1213
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,440
$15,000 before you could even ask the

1214
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,920
architect to draw something.

1215
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,440
So uh you're the first step. In this

1216
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,559
particular case, I had an agreement with

1217
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,720
Mr. Food's pro uh predecessor that I

1218
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,000
would show all my future plans. So the

1219
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,920
yellow things are things that we may do

1220
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,960
down in the future. Each one of those

1221
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160
would require the initial zoning

1222
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,839
application for that particular

1223
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:40,400
structure.

1224
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,200
>> Sure. So this is strictly to get the

1225
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,400
dimension on that proposed structure now

1226
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,680
and with the water management issues. Uh

1227
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,359
the chances get slimmer every day

1228
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:52,960
there'll ever be built.

1229
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,480
>> Okay.

1230
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640
>> Uh the building has to come out far way

1231
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,440
into the detention pond. And even though

1232
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,640
there's never I won't say never this

1233
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,400
week proved it. Uh I've never seen water

1234
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,520
above the grass in the detention bond. M

1235
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,960
>> there was two feet in there because

1236
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,359
Ferris Road backed up and filled the

1237
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:16,000
depend our detention pond on that end of

1238
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,880
the building.

1239
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:17,920
[clears throat]

1240
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,790
>> A little further complication, the dock

1241
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,200
at the corner of the yellow was the

1242
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,200
original detention pond, but the

1243
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,920
contractor builder didn't tell us that.

1244
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,680
>> So it more complicated. So, I'm simply

1245
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,040
trying to get this side

1246
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,559
uh corrected on the east side. I'm doing

1247
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:42,400
the west side so I don't have to come

1248
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,400
back next year and waste your old time.

1249
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,559
>> Sure. Got it.

1250
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,960
>> Any questions about the process of the

1251
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,720
approach or anything?

1252
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:51,440
>> Vice Chairman?

1253
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,640
>> No. Okay,

1254
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,599
>> Mr. Luke.

1255
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:54,640
>> No, this time. Thank you.

1256
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,559
>> Uh, and you might not know this, Mr.

1257
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,880
Flouty. um currently cuz I heard you say

1258
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,800
what was what's the current setback and

1259
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,160
then what's the setback that they're

1260
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,040
asking for?

1261
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,559
>> So there is the side setbacks of 10 ft

1262
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,920
and then the rear set back of 20 and

1263
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,760
overall they're asking for three 3T six

1264
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,240
inches. So it's a reduction of it's like

1265
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,200
16. Yeah.

1266
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,160
>> Okay. Okay.

1267
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,559
>> The back is already done last year. So

1268
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,240
we're really talking the two sides

1269
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,680
>> three not worried about it. Okay.

1270
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,119
Perfect. And then total of five

1271
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,280
buildings. Five buildings total.

1272
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,440
>> Okay. Can you describe uh first what kind of business are you at?

1273
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,960
>> Uh and then what

1274
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,599
>> I do commercial real estate and I'm a

1275
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,720
systems engineer so I do uh IT stuff.

1276
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,400
>> Do well I guess are do you plan what do

1277
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,119
you plan on doing with the buildings?

1278
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:47,119
>> I rent out the 95% of the building to

1279
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:48,160
Keep Electric.

1280
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,720
>> Okay.

1281
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,440
>> They're the neighbor to this side.

1282
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:51,839
>> Sure.

1283
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:53,440
>> They've expanded that. We've kind of

1284
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,760
joined the two properties. So, we've

1285
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,760
probably created

1286
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,839
I don't know 75 jobs there.

1287
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,359
>> Fair enough.

1288
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:01,920
>> Yeah.

1289
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,119
>> You know, parking is an issue. I I have

1290
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,319
60 spaces and it's still not enough. So,

1291
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:09,839
>> that's a good bad problem. The uh Well,

1292
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,359
Mr. Shvevesa, appreciate you investing

1293
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,680
in Union Township. Uh you're growing. I

1294
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,200
appreciate that. Thank Thank you for

1295
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,240
that. And uh um yeah, all good. That's

1296
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,520
all the questions I have for you. So,

1297
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,640
appreciate you very much. Thank you,

1298
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,359
sir.

1299
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:23,839
>> Thank you. Uh, is there any other

1300
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,839
proponents to this case? Anyone that is

1301
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:27,920
for this case?

1302
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,440
Oh, please come on up. Yeah, the floor

1303
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,839
is yours, please. And by the way, just

1304
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:33,359
so everyone knows, every zoning case,

1305
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:34,800
when you want to come up and speak, I

1306
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,559
got to swear you in every time. All

1307
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,280
right, come on up, sir.

1308
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,720
And then uh just raise your right hand.

1309
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,000
And then, sir, do you swear to tell the

1310
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,200
truth, the whole truth. I think the

1311
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,079
truth be to God.

1312
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:44,640
>> I do.

1313
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,160
>> Great. Uh, state your name and address

1314
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:46,640
for the record.

1315
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,400
>> My name is Dave Flourish. I own the

1316
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,960
adjoining building 1120 Ferris Road.

1317
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,599
>> Perfect. I also live in Anderson. Mike

1318
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:54,960
and I discussed this.

1319
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,280
>> Yeah.

1320
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,119
>> He got me on board with what they wanted

1321
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,920
to do. And um it's also in my also my

1322
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,000
best interest also to have that setback

1323
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,559
change.

1324
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:03,200
>> Yeah.

1325
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,480
>> Uh my ingress into my place if that

1326
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,400
building has to be set out 20 ft from

1327
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,640
that line is going to really limit the

1328
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,160
size of building that I can build.

1329
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,040
>> Got it.

1330
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,960
>> Perfect.

1331
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,000
>> I'm on board.

1332
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,280
>> Fantastic. Well, I appreciate the

1333
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,319
testimony. Yeah. Thank you.

1334
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:18,559
>> Thank you.

1335
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:19,599
sir. Appreciate you very

1336
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,280
much. [clears throat] Okay. Is there

1337
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,880
anyone else that is a proponent of this

1338
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,119
case? I see none. Is there anyone that's

1339
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,559
against this case? Opponent.

1340
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,079
Last call. All right. No sweat. Okay. Um

1341
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,160
All right. Uh gentlemen, honor a motion

1342
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,079
to close public hearing case uh 3-26-

1343
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:38,720
Oscar.

1344
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:39,280
>> So moved.

1345
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:39,760
>> Second.

1346
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,960
>> Uh Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

1347
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,760
>> Mr. Becker?

1348
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,720
>> Yes.

1349
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:45,680
>> Mr. Lo?

1350
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,160
>> Yes.

1351
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,040
>> Mr. Dills?

1352
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,000
>> Yes. The public uh portion of this

1353
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,960
hearing is closed at 6:54 p.m.

1354
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,960
>> Okay. Uh gentleman discussion. Mr.

1355
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Becker.

1356
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,400
>> Yes.

1357
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,800
>> Fair enough. Mr. Log, any issues,

1358
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,000
concerns?

1359
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,559
>> I have none.

1360
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:02,880
>> No. Okay. Good. Uh likewise. Uh

1361
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,240
gentlemen, I'll entertain a motion for

1362
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:05,839
the approval of Union Township overlay

1363
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,760
case 3-26-

1364
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,720
Oscar uh for the approval uh with

1365
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,480
modifications as recommended.

1366
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:12,960
>> So move.

1367
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,520
>> Second.

1368
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,359
>> Mr. Any further discussion? Mr.

1369
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,440
Campbell. Roll call. Mr. Becker,

1370
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:17,839
>> yes.

1371
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:18,559
>> Mr. Lo,

1372
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:18,800
>> yes.

1373
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,599
>> Mr. Jills,

1374
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:19,920
>> yes.

1375
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,800
>> Motion carries.

1376
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,240
>> Congratulations, Mike. You're

1377
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:25,589
>> good.

1378
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,480
All right.

1379
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,040
>> Oh, you got it. No sweat. The uh

1380
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,000
>> they're working together.

1381
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,240
>> Oh. Oh, it is. It's the same the same.

1382
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,559
Got it. Got it. I mean, Huh. Maybe I'll

1383
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,119
change my mind on this one. The uh just

1384
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,640
the uh Okay. Uh Mr. Flouty, sir. Overlay

1385
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680
case 4-26- an Oscar. I don't anticipate

1386
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,599
this taking too long. You go ahead, sir.

1387
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,559
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. This is property

1388
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,880
located at 1120 Ferris Road. It's

1389
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,599
directly behind Mr. Abesta's property.

1390
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,200
The applicant is special touch

1391
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,440
landscaping, and they're requesting from

1392
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480
the board of trustees

1393
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960
an overlay district plan consisting of

1394
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,359
two enclosed storage structures. The

1395
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:10,240
first being a total of 10,000 square ft

1396
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,280
with the second being 6,000 square ft.

1397
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,599
The applicant is seeking relief from the

1398
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,559
20 foot setback in the M1 district to

1399
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,480
have a setback of 3'6 in in the M1

1400
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,640
district located in the Bach Buckston

1401
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,160
corridor.

1402
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,640
The subject property sits on 4.77 acres

1403
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,119
and again is zoned M1. The principal

1404
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,000
primary structures were

1405
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,920
constructed around 1991 and 92 and the

1406
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,359
applicant intends to improve the

1407
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,200
property by constructing the additional

1408
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,680
structures for storage as noted for the

1409
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,400
existing landscaping business. Uh staff

1410
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,000
review and analysis. It is this proposal

1411
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,480
meets the intent of both the

1412
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,640
comprehensive land use plan and the

1413
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,599
overall district regulations surrounding

1414
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:05,119
properties are M1 industrial and it is

1415
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,359
consistent with supporting the goals and

1416
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:10,319
recommendations of the Box Bach Buckton

1417
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:13,040
Road commercial corridor. Again, if any

1418
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,799
new lighting is proposed, it'll need to

1419
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:17,680
be in accordance with article 14 of the

1420
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,400
zoning resolution in any detention

1421
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,799
proposed for the site containing any

1422
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:25,599
water from any additional proposals on

1423
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,559
the property. The action tonight that is

1424
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,640
required is in accordance with section

1425
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,280
1310 of the zoning resolution that the

1426
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,119
board of trustees is to enter into a

1427
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,359
motion to approve as submitted. Approve

1428
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,240
with modifications or deny this focus

1429
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,799
area overlay district applications as

1430
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:46,880
presented. In case number 4-26-

1431
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,040
there are five recommended modifications

1432
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
should the board grant favorable

1433
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,799
consideration to the overlay

1434
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,960
application. one that the applicant

1435
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,880
shall comply with the requirements of

1436
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,079
all federal, state, and local agencies.

1437
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:03,520
The future lighting plan shall be with

1438
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,400
the requirements of article 14. If there

1439
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,880
are any proposals of signage, it shall

1440
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,440
be monument style signage. The applicant

1441
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,240
shall provide additional privacy if

1442
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,440
there is any visual outdoor storage

1443
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,240
areas to the main streets. and the

1444
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,920
applicant shall be subject to review of

1445
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,520
the buildings containing the number of

1446
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,520
structures, square footage, location,

1447
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,520
and material subject to administrative

1448
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,680
review and approval. With that, that

1449
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,839
concludes the report for overlay case

1450
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:35,109
4-26-

1451
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,880
uh vice chairman.

1452
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,599
>> No questions,

1453
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,000
>> Mr. Lo.

1454
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,480
No questions.

1455
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,319
>> Yep. Okay. Gentlemen, I'll entertain a

1456
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:45,440
motion to open public hearings case

1457
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,920
overlay case 4-26-

1458
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,680
Oscar. So moved.

1459
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,400
>> Second,

1460
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,079
>> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

1461
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:52,960
>> Mr. Becker?

1462
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,359
>> Yes.

1463
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:54,160
>> Mr. Lug?

1464
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:54,480
>> Yes.

1465
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,359
>> Mr. Dills?

1466
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:56,000
>> Yes.

1467
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,559
>> Public hearing is open at 6:58 p.m.

1468
00:58:58,559 --> 00:58:59,760
>> All right. We start off with the

1469
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,359
developer landowner. You're more than

1470
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:02,880
welcome to speak. I got to tell you, I

1471
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,839
have a gut feeling you're not going to

1472
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:06,559
have any problems, but it's uh uh you're

1473
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:07,920
more welcome to come up here and speak.

1474
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,599
Now, since this is a separate case, I

1475
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:10,640
got to swear you in for this one as

1476
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,359
well.

1477
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:14,789
>> All right.

1478
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:15,920
You swear to tell the truth, the whole

1479
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,359
truth. By the truth, self be God.

1480
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:18,799
>> I do. Great. Name it and address for the

1481
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:19,680
record.

1482
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,280
>> 1120 Ferris Road. My name's Dave Flour.

1483
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,880
Um,

1484
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,400
been there since about 91 92.

1485
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,319
Mike helped me out a lot when I moved in

1486
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,799
because I had no water, no electric. So,

1487
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,440
we've been buddies ever since. Uh, when

1488
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,280
he did his building and he told me about

1489
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,200
the change in the setbacks, I got really

1490
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,280
excited because it greatly changes my

1491
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,760
ability to make my building bigger. When

1492
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,760
you start setting your stuff back from

1493
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,640
the fence, it kind of crowds things in

1494
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,040
there.

1495
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,599
>> Okay.

1496
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,240
>> So, that's why I'm here.

1497
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,760
>> Yeah, fair enough. What What line of

1498
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,400
business are you in?

1499
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,440
>> A lot of landscape.

1500
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,920
>> Oh, fantastic. Okay. So, no, appreciate

1501
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,599
you investing in Union Township and uh

1502
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,359
we're just happy to help. Uh sorry it's

1503
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:03,280
a little bit of a process, but uh but

1504
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,319
no, appreciate you invest in our

1505
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:05,920
township. Uh Mr. Becker.

1506
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:06,559
>> No, I'm good.

1507
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,319
>> Mr. Log, I'm good. Thank you. Yeah,

1508
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:09,359
appreciate it. Thank you. You're all

1509
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,359
good. Appreciate you, sir. All good. And

1510
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,599
then uh uh is there anyone else that's a

1511
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,680
proponent of this case? Okay, seeing

1512
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,599
none opponent.

1513
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,040
All right, let's go and close it. Uh

1514
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,400
gentlemen, entertain a motion to close

1515
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,079
public hearing overlay case 4-26- Oscar.

1516
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,040
>> So move second.

1517
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,319
>> Mr. Campbell, roll call.

1518
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:27,200
>> Mr. Becker,

1519
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,160
>> yes.

1520
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:28,960
>> Mr. Log,

1521
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:29,280
>> yes.

1522
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,079
>> Mr. Jules,

1523
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:30,640
>> yes.

1524
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,200
>> Public portion of this closed at 7 p.m.

1525
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,079
>> All right. Uh any discussion, gentlemen.

1526
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,880
See none. Okay. Uh, I will gentlemen I

1527
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,720
will entertain a motion for the approval

1528
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,480
with modifications as recommended for

1529
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,440
Union Township overlay case 4-26-

1530
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Oscar.

1531
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,559
>> So moved.

1532
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:47,359
>> Second.

1533
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:48,880
>> Uh, Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

1534
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,680
>> Mr. Becker.

1535
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:50,000
>> Yes.

1536
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:50,799
>> Mr. Lou.

1537
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:51,119
>> Yes.

1538
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:51,920
>> Mr. D.

1539
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,319
>> Yes.

1540
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:53,200
>> Motion carries.

1541
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,799
>> Congratulations, Dave. The uh Okay. So,

1542
01:00:56,799 --> 01:00:59,359
what we'll do before we get to uh both

1543
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:01,280
zoning cases, uh they're both kind of

1544
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,599
similar kind of. uh at 8 o'clock I'm

1545
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:04,960
going to have a hard cut off so we can

1546
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,720
take a at that point a two-hour break

1547
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,960
which is in one hour uh and then I will

1548
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,720
break for five minutes you know whatever

1549
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,680
five seven minutes uh also I want to say

1550
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,640
this for those that are against the case

1551
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,799
uh in the event hypothetically it is

1552
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:20,720
approved I would like for when you you

1553
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,720
don't have to but I would like for you

1554
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,200
to speak on maybe something you would

1555
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,040
like this is now your opportunity

1556
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,640
assuming it's approved it might not be

1557
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,559
approved but if it is approved this is

1558
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,240
your chance to negotiate

1559
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,000
For example, in the past, what I've done

1560
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,839
is I've had the developer over here and

1561
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,000
I've had residents say, you know, I want

1562
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,160
a a landscaping buffer. I would like a

1563
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,480
white uh vinyl fence, 6 foot high vinyl

1564
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,599
fence so I don't have to see these

1565
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,119
houses or I don't have to see whatever.

1566
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:46,640
I would like this or that and I'm going

1567
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,680
to tell a developer, hey, I'm going to

1568
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:48,880
put this in here if you want me to prove

1569
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,240
it, you know, kind of thing. This is our

1570
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,400
chance to negotiate where both sides

1571
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,000
win, both sides lose a little bit and

1572
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,240
it's compromise. Or you don't have to at

1573
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,760
all. That's up to you. So when you

1574
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,119
speak, that's your opportunity to say,

1575
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,880
"Hey, if it is approved, I would like to

1576
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,520
see this, this, and this." Okay. Uh so

1577
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,079
um with that being said, and by the way,

1578
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:11,119
um the uh um the floor is yours. You're allowed to talk, you know, as

1579
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,760
long as you want. Just just know even if

1580
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,280
we're in the middle of this case, in one

1581
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,880
hour, I'm going to call a timeout, five

1582
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,880
minute break, and then we'll come back.

1583
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,079
So Okay. Just everyone knows. Um okay.

1584
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:23,920
Uh gentlemen, oh no, let's not open it

1585
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,599
yet. Uh Mr. Flowy, sir. Uh, zoning case

1586
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:29,920
3-26-Zenzula.

1587
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Go ahead and introduce that, sir.

1588
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,920
>> Thank you, Mr. Dells. This is a request.

1589
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,240
The name is the Oaks at Ridge Point

1590
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,119
subdivision. The applicant is Chris

1591
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:44,400
Hener at 1062 Kluff Pike. The action

1592
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,440
requested is for a total of three

1593
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,559
parcels totaling 23.63 63 acres to be

1594
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,319
reszoned from R1 single family to an R4

1595
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:56,880
single family variable residential

1596
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,599
district in order to allow for a

1597
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,520
proposed concept plan subdivision

1598
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,720
developing development consisting of 58

1599
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,839
lots for single family dwelling units

1600
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:11,280
landscaping elements entry monument sign

1601
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,079
and open spaces. Some land use and

1602
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:16,400
zoning characteristics in the general

1603
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,359
vicinity is residential uses with the

1604
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,480
exception of instit institutional uses

1605
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,440
such as Club Pike Baptist Church in the

1606
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,480
West Claremont High School to the south.

1607
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,799
In relation to the 2030 comprehensive

1608
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:33,119
land use plan indicates that the

1609
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,520
proposal is not located within any

1610
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,400
designated corridor. However, the use

1611
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,480
itself would be supportive to single

1612
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,799
family residential character in this

1613
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:45,440
area of the township. A single family

1614
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,359
residential development goals stated

1615
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:50,079
within the plan calls for a single

1616
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,240
family dwelling densities up to four

1617
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,960
units per acre, which this proposal

1618
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,559
achieves with a gross density of 2.5

1619
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,240
2.45

1620
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:06,079
units an acre. Moving on to some of the

1621
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:09,599
background information. This area has

1622
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,000
been in the R1 single family zoning

1623
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,520
district since the institution of

1624
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,599
zoning. Since then, the properties have

1625
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,440
been used for agricultural and/or

1626
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,880
residential uses

1627
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,200
according to the auditor site. Some

1628
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,359
staff review and analysis. Wanted to

1629
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:27,760
note that the staff comments have been

1630
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,280
revised since the zoning commission

1631
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,160
recommendation from the June 24th

1632
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,839
meeting with relation due to the road

1633
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:39,119
layout. The new lot configuration shows

1634
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,400
seven homes being ended in a culde-sac

1635
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,559
off of Ridge Point Drive and an

1636
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,680
additional 51 homes being accessed off

1637
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,760
of Kluff Pike to be ended in a

1638
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,559
culde-sac. This differs from the

1639
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:57,280
previous plan which included a through

1640
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,599
street through Ridge Point and there was

1641
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,200
talk back and forth with the zoning

1642
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,079
commission on whether or not to

1643
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,520
have it a through street have a lock

1644
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,440
knock box for emergency services. And as

1645
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,559
we went through the process with the

1646
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:19,200
developer, uh, they came up and we came

1647
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,240
up with this idea of doing the culde-sac

1648
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,680
to complete the street in the

1649
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,280
subdivision back there off of Ridge

1650
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,680
Point with seven homes in a culde-sac

1651
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,079
and then the 51 additional off of Ridge

1652
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,599
Point. Some additional information

1653
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,559
with this application is the proposed

1654
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,480
street and trees are throughout the

1655
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,039
subdivision with additional plantings

1656
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,039
being provided.

1657
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:44,640
Uh some of the lots have changed with

1658
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,680
the new proposal since the total amount

1659
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,640
of lots have gone from 60 to 58. Some

1660
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,400
street lighting has been proposed. The

1661
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,760
lighting shall be consistent with

1662
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,039
article 14. An entry monument sign is

1663
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:00,799
proposed. consideration should be taken

1664
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:02,480
for the site distance clearance onto

1665
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,520
Clark Pike.

1666
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,359
Lastly, going back to the zoning

1667
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,200
commission, they recommended five

1668
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,599
modifications.

1669
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,839
The fifth modification was the sample

1670
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:16,160
proposed home facades. The applicant, we

1671
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,559
have a proposal from them to pull up

1672
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,079
with the proposed homes. So lastly, the

1673
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,559
action required tonight is in accordance

1674
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,039
with section 650 through 659 of the

1675
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:28,960
zoning resolution that the board of

1676
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,880
trustees is to enter into a motion to

1677
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,640
approve as recommended by the zoning

1678
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,559
commission. Approve with additional

1679
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,280
modifications or deny this zoning map

1680
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,280
amendment in accompanying concept plan

1681
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,680
as permitted in Union Township zoning

1682
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,190
case 3-26-Z.

1683
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,880
Staff has made additional

1684
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,359
recommendations due to the new road

1685
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,240
layout and lot configuration that per

1686
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,839
the Horizon 2030 plan to add a

1687
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,480
pedestrian connectivity between the

1688
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,319
established and existing Ridge Point

1689
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:02,160
subdivision drive to the new

1690
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,119
development. And lastly, efforts to

1691
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,680
maintain the same pre previous

1692
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,839
preservation areas which appear to have

1693
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,400
changed slightly to have them labeled as

1694
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,200
pre preserved and to pay attention to

1695
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,640
the screening to the existing

1696
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,640
residential areas from the proposed

1697
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,039
development. With that, that concludes

1698
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:26,549
the report for case number 3-26-Z.

1699
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,240
» Thank you, Mr. Flouty. Uh, vice

1700
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,839
chairman, any questions?

1701
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,240
>> Yeah, I do have one.

1702
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,839
So, Mr. Flowouty.

1703
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:35,839
>> Hypothetically,

1704
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:38,400
>> if we were to approve

1705
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,240
changing the zoning from an R1 to an R4

1706
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,760
>> and the developer, for whatever reason,

1707
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,760
it could be any number of reasons,

1708
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,640
>> may choose not to build anything at this

1709
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,839
time. Mhm.

1710
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:57,280
>> could several years from now, new board,

1711
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,000
maybe a new developer, maybe not, choose

1712
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,640
to build apartment buildings on this

1713
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,799
property.

1714
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:07,119
>> Yes. I That would be a hypothetical that

1715
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:08,319
could potentially

1716
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:12,000
>> not R4. Not not R4. It's got to be R3.

1717
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,599
>> PD is apartment.

1718
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:14,720
>> Oh, yeah. So,

1719
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,000
>> what does R4 allow then?

1720
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,759
>> Sorry.

1721
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:18,239
>> Single

1722
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,839
>> condos. So if you're you're asking if

1723
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:24,080
you approve this to an R4,

1724
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,839
>> they come back. Yeah, sorry I

1725
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:28,640
misunderstood the question. So this

1726
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,719
development what the R4 variable

1727
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:32,000
structure

1728
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,239
>> does is it creates a formal plan. So

1729
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,719
what you are approving is the concept

1730
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,199
plan in front of you. If there are to be

1731
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:41,359
any changes to that, you have to come

1732
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,000
forward, the applicant will have to come

1733
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,120
forward with a new set of plans and have

1734
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,480
a new set of approvals to do any changes

1735
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,400
from this. That would be adding a lot,

1736
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,120
changing from single family to attached

1737
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,679
single family. That that would trigger

1738
01:08:57,679 --> 01:08:59,920
coming back to this board. If they were

1739
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,839
to approve, if you were to approve the

1740
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:04,400
R4 tonight, the development has to be

1741
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,560
per this plan in front of you tonight.

1742
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Okay. So if we

1743
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,520
so so if we approve this tonight and

1744
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,480
then you know the for whatever reason

1745
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,400
they can't or choose not not to go

1746
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,719
forward five years from now

1747
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,400
>> they they decide they want to come up

1748
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,040
with a new plan. Does it revert to R1

1749
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,239
between now and then?

1750
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,040
>> It it would it would not but a new R4

1751
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,880
plan would have to go before the board.

1752
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,040
>> Okay. And then so how different could an

1753
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,000
R4 plan be if it's not this one that's

1754
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,319
before us?

1755
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,960
The hypotheticals can can range, you

1756
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,199
know, depending on what what would bring

1757
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,880
in. But if they would go from this plan

1758
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,400
to

1759
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,120
attached, if they would go above the 58

1760
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,880
number, you know, it again it's variable

1761
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,719
structure. So the possibility to change

1762
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,719
is you know,

1763
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:00,320
>> basically what I'm if they change from

1764
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,600
this plan, it's got to come back to the

1765
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:02,000
board.

1766
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,199
>> Correct. Yes.

1767
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,679
>> Yes. It could be a future board is my

1768
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:07,199
several years from now is my point.

1769
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:08,239
That's all I have.

1770
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,920
>> Yeah.

1771
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,159
Mr. L, any questions?

1772
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,719
>> Uh, just a [clears throat] little bit is

1773
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:16,480
uh

1774
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:20,800
Mr. Becker, is the concern about

1775
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,920
action tonight and then developer not

1776
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,239
being able to to move forward or

1777
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:27,679
>> I guess I'm just confused about the

1778
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:29,760
concern of the I want to make sure hear

1779
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,640
his concern.

1780
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,679
>> We're not debating this right now. We're

1781
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:32,320
asking Mr. Fl.

1782
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,520
>> Okay. I just trying to understand his

1783
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,480
question. No, I don't have a question

1784
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:35,600
for Mr. Flatty.

1785
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,159
>> U Mr. Flatty. So on basically let's look at this property as an

1786
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:41,360
overhead there

1787
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,679
>> and uh so uh

1788
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,199
I'm going to say up because it's not

1789
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,920
north, it would be south. But so so uh

1790
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,719
up from the property or I should say to

1791
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,159
the left, let's do the left. Left of the

1792
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,560
property of the of the square. What is

1793
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,480
the average

1794
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,159
um lot size? Um right right there on the

1795
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,960
left on the left through here left

1796
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,320
>> outside the property the existing

1797
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:06,880
properties

1798
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,480
>> these these through here.

1799
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:09,520
>> Well so they range

1800
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:10,800
>> in the community to the left. So just

1801
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:11,440
the ballpark the

1802
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:15,600
>> ballpark. So they range you know along Kluff here we do have larger lots

1803
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,679
those were cut out previously you know

1804
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:20,640
as Kluff developed through and then all

1805
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,199
along so the existing community back

1806
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,679
behind the existing subdivision

1807
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:27,280
especially you see where ridge point

1808
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,800
that is R2. So, the existing lots within

1809
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,000
the R2, there's a minimum of 20,000

1810
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,719
>> 10,000 square feet. So, you're roughly

1811
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:39,360
>> a little bit below a quarter of an acre,

1812
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,800
but you might as well just say a quarter

1813
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,440
of an acre.

1814
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:45,840
>> So, those lot sizes uh on the bottom

1815
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,440
roughly are are quarter of an acre

1816
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:48,400
ballpark.

1817
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,120
>> The ones where my cursor is at here,

1818
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,840
they're around a quarter of an acre.

1819
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,360
>> Okay. Ballpark, give or take a little

1820
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:55,600
bit.

1821
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,080
>> Yeah.

1822
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,400
>> All right. And then uh what about to the

1823
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,760
left?

1824
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,520
>> These they vary. They're going to be a

1825
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,719
little bit larger as they're cut out.

1826
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:08,000
>> I would say half an acre to quarter of

1827
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,199
an acre.

1828
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:09,920
>> Okay.

1829
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,880
>> One acre.

1830
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,840
>> All right.

1831
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,440
Okay.

1832
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:16,880
Uh that's all the questions I got for

1833
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,880
you. Thank you. Oh, do do you have any

1834
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,320
pictures of what these houses are going

1835
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:20,960
to look like?

1836
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,719
>> Yeah, let me pull up their presentation

1837
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:23,679
here.

1838
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:25,280
>> And by by the way, I might be stealing

1839
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,560
their thunder. if they want to show

1840
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,440
theirs.

1841
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,790
>> We got

1842
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,320
Okay. If this Are they going to be going

1843
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,360
through their PowerPoint? Is that their

1844
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:35,600
plan?

1845
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:35,840
>> Yes.

1846
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,520
>> Okay. Never mind. I don't want to steal

1847
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,640
their thumb. I'll let them do that. But

1848
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,640
I I every single time we have a building

1849
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,440
though, I want to see a picture of what it potentially is going to look

1850
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,679
like. Uh I don't care if it's a shed or

1851
01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:48,480
if it's a massive complex. So, okay.

1852
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:51,600
>> Uh fair enough. Okay. Um any more

1853
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,360
questions for Mr. Flowy? Good. Let's

1854
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,960
open this case. Uh, gentlemen, I'll

1855
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,080
entertain a motion to open Union

1856
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,960
Township zoning case 3-26-Z in Zulu.

1857
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,159
>> So move second.

1858
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:01,920
>> Any further discussion? Mr. Campbell,

1859
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:02,560
roll call.

1860
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:03,440
>> Mr. Becker.

1861
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:03,920
>> Yes.

1862
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:04,719
>> Mr. Lug.

1863
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:05,120
>> Yes.

1864
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:05,840
>> Mr. Dills.

1865
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,320
>> Yes.

1866
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,960
>> Public hearing is open at 7:12 p.m.

1867
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,640
>> All right. Good. Good. Uh, same thing.

1868
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,760
Like to start off with the developer.

1869
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,679
They're here and uh or so their

1870
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:17,520
spokesperson. And uh

1871
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,440
and then uh

1872
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:20,800
>> we'll have you come through. Perfect.

1873
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,080
And then you saw what I had to do. So,

1874
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,679
let me can I swear you in?

1875
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:23,920
>> Yes.

1876
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:24,960
>> All right. Raise your hand. Do you swear

1877
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,239
to tell the truth? The whole truth about

1878
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:27,120
the truth. Help you God.

1879
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:27,600
>> I do.

1880
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:28,880
>> Great. Please uh state your name and

1881
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,320
address for the record.

1882
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,800
>> My name is Doug Smith. I'm with Abraine

1883
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Associates, the civil side engineer for

1884
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,000
the project. The address is 811 Chevy

1885
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,560
Road 200 [snorts] Cincinnati, Ohio

1886
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,320
45247.

1887
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,520
>> And then uh

1888
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,040
>> Good evening, gentlemen. Uh, also here

1889
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,320
with me tonight is uh

1890
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,440
Brian Henny and Paul Mezer with Arbor

1891
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,679
Homes will be the builder uh in this

1892
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:55,840
proposed development. And then also in

1893
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,000
the back row next throwback is Ed Fuia

1894
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,000
with Beaver Creek Site Management.

1895
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,440
They're the developers for the project.

1896
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,239
So I'll be here to answer any questions

1897
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,640
you might have. But um I'd like to first

1898
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,840
off and state that um we're excited for

1899
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,560
this development and we think it'd be a nice addition to the township, provide

1900
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,840
nice housing. Uh you know, the R4 uh

1901
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,679
provides an advantage to allow us to

1902
01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:23,840
preserve some of the natural features.

1903
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,719
uh the the the existing pond that's on

1904
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:30,000
the site as well as the uh the stream

1905
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,736
that's to the I want to say

1906
01:14:31,736 --> 01:14:33,440
[clears throat] to the south I guess is

1907
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:35,440
uh and the woodlands along it will be

1908
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,280
preserved in open space. We have three

1909
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,760
open space areas meeting the 20%

1910
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,040
requirement. Um you know we we we're

1911
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360
excited about it. It's it's a similar

1912
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,920
lot, similar product as as the adjacent

1913
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,560
residence as well as the Magnolia Trace

1914
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,400
development that uh is just down the

1915
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,560
street off Shaylor. This will provide

1916
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,560
the same type of housing which we think

1917
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,800
is all very successful and it's done

1918
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,320
well in the township. Um I can say that

1919
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,679
during the um zoning commission meeting

1920
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:08,719
there was concern about access. We had a

1921
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:11,199
through street uh Craig I don't know if

1922
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,840
you could pull up the old plan. Yeah.

1923
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:27,910
Let's see.

1924
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,320
So, this is the plan we presented at the

1925
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,320
zoning commission that had a through

1926
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,560
street from Pluff Pike to Ridge Point

1927
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,679
Drive. uh the residents in in the on

1928
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:39,360
Ridge Point Drive had a lot of concerns

1929
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,120
about the through traffic and and the

1930
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,600
cut through at that time we proposed to

1931
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,120
gay some you know ballards or some

1932
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,682
things of that nature. Um so

1933
01:15:49,682 --> 01:15:51,920
[clears throat] basically uh Mr. Wright

1934
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,320
Mr. cloudy. Our team met with the county

1935
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,120
engineer. We discussed our options and

1936
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,159
based on the public input and and and

1937
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:01,600
what we felt was going to be best for

1938
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,840
this development, they developer reduced

1939
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,560
the lots by two lots. We went from 60 to

1940
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,560
58 units. Um and then we uh terminated

1941
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,280
Ridgeoint Drive in a culde-sac to to

1942
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,440
eliminate that through traffic that uh

1943
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,360
was you know acceptable through the

1944
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:25,360
county engineer and uh you know that's uh how we kind of

1945
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,239
ended up the plan we have today. We do

1946
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,320
have water sewer availability. There's

1947
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,920
water and sewer available to serve the

1948
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,040
development. Um I can have Mr. Penning

1949
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,280
or Mr. Mezers talk about the product if

1950
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:38,560
you like. if you'd like to know more

1951
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,440
about the housing product.

1952
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,520
>> Oh, one sec. Uh, Mr. Wester, any

1953
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,080
questions?

1954
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,800
>> Uh, no, but I do want to say that my

1955
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,880
prior question, you know, about

1956
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,400
potential apartments and what the

1957
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,560
develop could do. It had nothing to do

1958
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,239
with any of you in this room. It was

1959
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:55,760
really just a hypothetical in my own

1960
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,239
mind about zoning in general. So, no

1961
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,000
offense was intended. The the only

1962
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,733
comment I might add to that is is

1963
01:17:01,733 --> 01:17:03,520
[clears throat] uh and Craig, correct me

1964
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,560
if I'm wrong, that u the R4 it's a

1965
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,320
variable type housing, but it's it's

1966
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,800
single family type housing. It's it's

1967
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,840
not multif family or you know the R4 is

1968
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,560
a single type single family residential

1969
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,000
type housing. It's just whether it's

1970
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,440
single family or attached is my

1971
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:20,159
understanding.

1972
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:21,679
>> The multif family would have to be in

1973
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,120
the PD district.

1974
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,480
>> Yeah.

1975
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,480
So, so no matter what it would be a

1976
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,159
single single family residential

1977
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:29,040
product.

1978
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:29,440
>> Yeah.

1979
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:30,800
>> I don't have any questions.

1980
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,600
>> Yeah. One sec, Mr. Luke.

1981
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,400
>> No,

1982
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,920
>> thank you for presentation on it.

1983
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,760
>> Uh, I'm going to ask a few questions,

1984
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:38,640
but I don't know if it's going to be

1985
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,719
necessarily for you or or Arbor the

1986
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:43,679
builders um

1987
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:47,040
or it might even be for uh the Fuja

1988
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,360
family. But uh question, first question

1989
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,360
is if you can't answer it, that's okay.

1990
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,719
I'll go through and you can answer with

1991
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:54,080
first question. How long was the

1992
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,000
property on the market until you you all

1993
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,080
bought it? Now, that's a probably a Fuja

1994
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,840
question, but uh Okay, so the um

1995
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,600
>> what's the average ballpark price of

1996
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,199
these homes? Ballpark.

1997
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:06,159
>> That would be an Arbor home,

1998
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,880
>> right? Roger that. All right. Um are you

1999
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,199
all willing to

2000
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:15,840
add any to work with the residents again

2001
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,120
we approve this? If we don't, then this

2002
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,560
is null and void. But are you willing to

2003
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,000
work with the residents if they come up

2004
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,560
and say, "Hey, we would like a white

2005
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,040
vinyl 6ft fence to put up there so I

2006
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,280
don't have to see any new homes." Are

2007
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,560
you willing to put up maybe some rolling

2008
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,560
hills that or whatever? Are you willing

2009
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,800
to work with the residents on that to

2010
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,320
create buffers?

2011
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,000
>> I can't speak on behalf of that on

2012
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,960
behalf of Mr. Fuier. I know that uh yes,

2013
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,239
we'd be willing to work with the

2014
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:41,440
residents. We've already been in

2015
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:42,880
discussion with some of them.

2016
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,640
>> All right, fair enough. And then uh what

2017
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,400
about traffic count? Did did you all do

2018
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,280
a traffic count study?

2019
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,360
>> We did. We did a traffic count study.

2020
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,440
We've prepared a traffic impact study

2021
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,040
and we presented that to the county

2022
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,120
engineer and it's currently in in review

2023
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,880
and being processed.

2024
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,239
>> Do do you have any more information on

2025
01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:58,560
it?

2026
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,360
>> Yeah, it uh it it basically says that no

2027
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,360
turn lanes are warranted on Club Pike.

2028
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:04,880
No improvements are required to Club

2029
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,760
Pike and the development is, you know,

2030
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,320
the the surrounding roadways are

2031
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:11,600
adequate to serve the proposed

2032
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,960
development with no improvements.

2033
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,520
>> Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Uh, Mr. Smith,

2034
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,640
that's all I got. Appreciate it. Thank

2035
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:17,600
you. Thank you.

2036
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,400
>> And then uh uh and then any other Yeah.

2037
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,360
You part of the development team? Yeah.

2038
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:21,920
Come on up, please.

2039
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,199
>> I'll swear you in.

2040
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,560
>> All right. Please swear your hand. Do

2041
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:25,520
you swear to tell the truth, the whole

2042
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:26,960
truth? I the truth. Help you God.

2043
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,679
>> I do.

2044
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:28,640
>> State your name and address for the

2045
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:28,880
record.

2046
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,120
>> Uh Edwin Fujia. Address is 7861 East

2047
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,800
Keer Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45249.

2048
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,719
Please go ahead. um to address the

2049
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:41,920
couple questions you had for us. Um as

2050
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,520
far as how long the property's on the

2051
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,760
market, I don't know. We typically get

2052
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,199
things before they hit the market. Um

2053
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,679
>> and then as far as buffering goes, we

2054
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:53,679
are happy to help. Um whether it's

2055
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:57,600
landscaping or a you know artificial

2056
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:58,960
buffer like a fence or something like

2057
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,120
that in place where it's needed, we're

2058
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,199
always open to that. We want to be good

2059
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:04,000
neighbors.

2060
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,640
>> Fair enough. Uh but uh before we I

2061
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,159
always allow my vice chair to go first.

2062
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:08,960
Vice Chairman, do you have any

2063
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,000
questions?

2064
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,679
>> Mr. Lo, the uh uh ballpark. Uh now I

2065
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:14,800
know this is probably an Arbor question

2066
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,640
because y'all are building, but uh uh do

2067
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:17,840
we know the average price of the homes

2068
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,040
yet? Ballpark?

2069
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:19,840
>> I'll let Arbor.

2070
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,719
>> Okay, one more. Um

2071
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:24,239
I'm sure you you probably footed the

2072
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:25,840
bill for the traffic count. Can can you

2073
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,440
give me any more insight on that? cuz

2074
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,560
I'll tell you I'll tell you what you're

2075
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,159
going to hear tonight and it's probably

2076
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,880
no surprise to you is uh during rush

2077
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,040
hour times I drive Kluff every single

2078
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,040
day so I can personally say uh there's

2079
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,880
times where Kluff's fine. Cluff's fine.

2080
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,159
It's not a problem. Then there's times

2081
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:41,679
where Club Pike is a disaster and you

2082
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:45,040
avoid at all cost. However,

2083
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,400
whether you all like it or not, that's

2084
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,080
actually a county road is not. We don't

2085
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,280
own that road. That's a county road

2086
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,920
which they really need to uh expand it

2087
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,760
probably make it four ways. But uh

2088
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,600
anyways, regardless, their concern is

2089
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:00,560
going to be uh the traffic count and and folks trying to turn left on Kloff

2090
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,719
at 7 8:00 in the morning. Uh I can

2091
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,000
guarantee every single person is

2092
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,880
probably going to come up here and say

2093
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,679
that. So any thoughts or suggestions on

2094
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:08,239
that?

2095
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,960
>> So I don't know the exact counts off

2096
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,440
hand. Um however, what I do know about

2097
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:16,159
the study is we used a 10-year time

2098
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:18,719
period for the study at that with the

2099
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:20,400
traffic counts they generated. The way

2100
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,120
the traffic study works and you all may

2101
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,280
know this. So they submit our engineer

2102
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,280
who's doing the traffic study submits a

2103
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,040
memorandum of understanding to the

2104
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:29,520
county.

2105
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:29,920
>> Yeah.

2106
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,320
>> The county agrees this is what we're

2107
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,960
studying. Uh after that there's a volume

2108
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,880
submitt and we our engineer submits you

2109
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,239
know says these are the volumes that

2110
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,800
we're going to use. The county says okay

2111
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,480
we agree with those volumes. They can

2112
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,640
either increase the volumes decrease the

2113
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,679
volumes. um with Claremont County and

2114
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,600
our experience that they typically like

2115
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,159
to increase the volumes um as a

2116
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:55,679
conservative matter.

2117
01:21:55,679 --> 01:21:58,639
>> Um so we got approved on the volumes. We

2118
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,480
did the traffic study. There was no

2119
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,880
using the 10-year period. There was no

2120
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,560
um

2121
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,400
>> traffic there was obviously there's

2122
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,400
impact but there was no improvements

2123
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,920
deemed necessary. Uh currently they are

2124
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,600
asking us to stretch that out instead of

2125
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,679
10 years to 20 years. This was just as

2126
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,320
of I think a couple days ago.

2127
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,159
>> Um so that's what we're working on right

2128
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:21,040
now. See

2129
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,400
>> all it's all I can ask for is you get

2130
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:23,760
you got the factual data. If they say

2131
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:28,719
it's it's good then it's and that's all we got. So um I think that's

2132
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:30,560
all I got. Appreciate you. Thank you.

2133
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,239
Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Yeah. And

2134
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,800
I assume the builders. Yeah.

2135
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,560
>> All right. Raise your right hand and do

2136
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:37,600
you swear to tell truth? The whole

2137
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:38,800
truth. I want the truth. Hope you got

2138
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:38,960
it.

2139
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,159
>> I do. Brian. Yeah. Brian Hending. 9050

2140
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,239
Center Point Drive. got paper copies if

2141
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:45,679
you guys want any.

2142
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:49,120
>> Um but yeah, uh so average price is

2143
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,520
going to be 360,000

2144
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,520
to 550,000.

2145
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,000
Um these homes are very customizable by

2146
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,239
the kind of home buyer. So it really

2147
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,360
depends on what they select ultimately.

2148
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,159
One thing on traffic is this will be a

2149
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:10,320
kind of 55 plus targeted community. All homes are ranch homes. So there

2150
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,239
might just be a little less traffic

2151
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:13,679
coming out of this neighborhood than

2152
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,719
versus a you know a typical suburb

2153
01:23:16,719 --> 01:23:18,719
suburban neighborhood with families you

2154
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:20,639
know taking kids to soccer practice and

2155
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:23,760
all that. Um we've got five floor plans.

2156
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,840
Each floor plan has different uh five

2157
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,719
different elevations. Um they can pick a

2158
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:31,120
variety of colors. We have a anti-

2159
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,560
monotony policy where essentially no uh

2160
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,520
house next door or across the street is

2161
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,600
allowed to have the same elevation or

2162
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,320
floor or color scheme. Um so essentially

2163
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,480
that just kind of keeps kind of a a

2164
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:47,040
design rhythm that um you know takes

2165
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,159
away the monotony essentially. So yeah

2166
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:51,440
that's about it. I don't know if you

2167
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,760
guys have any questions for us. Happy to

2168
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,440
go through kind of our company history

2169
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:57,760
or anything else you guys

2170
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,600
>> want to say Mr. Mr. back or anything?

2171
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,080
>> No.

2172
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,400
>> Mr. Luke,

2173
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,320
>> I like that destination line. It's

2174
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,040
interesting.

2175
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,120
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's nice. A lot of lot

2176
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,280
of communities are looking for that 55

2177
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,120
plus housing type thing.

2178
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:18,239
>> Okay. So, so just recap the uh so your target market to sell these homes

2179
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:19,920
is 55 plus age range.

2180
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:20,320
>> Yep.

2181
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,120
>> Uh price range is ballpark 360 to

2182
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,159
550,000.

2183
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:26,400
>> Y

2184
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,719
>> and they're all ranch. So, uh,

2185
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:29,920
basements, no basements.

2186
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,080
>> Uh, so the customer can select a

2187
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:32,800
basement, but

2188
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,080
>> Okay. Well, basically, they're not going

2189
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,360
to be two stories. It sounds like

2190
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:35,920
they're all right.

2191
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,080
>> No, they could be. So, essentially, uh,

2192
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:41,520
a customer can either select, uh, to

2193
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,080
have a basement or a second story. It

2194
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,800
won't like these are the elevations of

2195
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,159
the home. The second story is

2196
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:50,480
essentially almost like half story.

2197
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:50,800
>> Got it.

2198
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,920
>> Um, so yeah.

2199
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,400
>> Okay. Okay. And then uh assuming

2200
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,639
hypothetically if it is approved, when

2201
01:24:56,639 --> 01:24:58,480
are you all planning on breaking ground?

2202
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,800
>> Uh that would be the developer, but uh

2203
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,800
we would say as soon as possible. I

2204
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,950
would I would guess spring.

2205
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,280
» Okay.

2206
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,280
>> We we are constantly pushing these guys

2207
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:09,760
to

2208
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:10,880
>> That's okay. That's okay. All right. All

2209
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,880
right. That's uh I think that's all I

2210
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,800
got. Okay. And then uh and then hey I

2211
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,159
would uh

2212
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,400
>> once the folks come up and speak I would

2213
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,000
uh be prepared to just answer any

2214
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,440
questions they or concerns they might

2215
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:22,880
have for whoever is best suited for that

2216
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,440
one. So okay thank you. Thank you sir.

2217
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:28,320
>> Um okay. And is there anyone else that

2218
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,480
is a proponent of this case that is for

2219
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,120
this case that would like to talk?

2220
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,199
>> Okay. Anyone that's an opponent? Yeah.

2221
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,480
Come on up. So and by the way I I don't need cards for this one. Uh so

2222
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:39,600
you're okay. That's just for public

2223
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,920
comment. So uh but go on. Come on up.

2224
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,679
Dave, I'll swear you in.

2225
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:43,920
>> Okay.

2226
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,199
>> All right, sir. Do you swear to tell the

2227
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:46,480
truth, the whole truth? But the truth,

2228
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:47,120
shall be God.

2229
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,639
>> So, help me to God. I do.

2230
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:49,920
>> Name name and address for the record,

2231
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:50,320
sir.

2232
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:55,040
>> David E. Muse. Uh, 1071 Cluff Pike.

2233
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,880
Sounds like I need to get in the golf

2234
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,600
cart business because if it's 55 and

2235
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,360
older, that's what's going to be driving

2236
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,600
in that community over there. You know

2237
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,080
what I mean? I got to start selling golf

2238
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:06,400
carts.

2239
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:07,600
>> I think so.

2240
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,320
>> Okay. Thank you to the board of trustees

2241
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,320
for having this opportunity for the

2242
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,880
community to speak before you. Cast your

2243
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:20,000
votes on the zoning change from R1 to R4

2244
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,639
for the subdivision to be known as the

2245
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:25,840
Oaks at Ridge Point. My name is David E.

2246
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,314
Muse and I am with the Union

2247
01:26:28,314 --> 01:26:29,920
[clears throat] Township Republican

2248
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,040
Central Committee. I represent voting

2249
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,400
precinct T. Yes, it's true. Only

2250
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,320
Republicans voted me in this position in

2251
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:44,159
our last primary. I told John Becker,

2252
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:46,800
who asked me to join and run for

2253
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,600
election, that I would listen and try

2254
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,480
and help with concerns that all voters

2255
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,520
in precinct had, no matter what

2256
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,360
political party they did or not belong

2257
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,719
to. And now here is my first

2258
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:05,600
representation for Union Township Voting

2259
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,560
Precinct T. I or no one wants to stand

2260
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,840
in a land owner's way of selling their

2261
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,520
land and providing for their family. But

2262
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,760
what we do ask is for them to think

2263
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,239
about the neighbors

2264
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:28,159
they had while growing up and the person

2265
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:33,120
that gave you the land and how they

2266
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,360
loved Kluff Pike. They called home for

2267
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,440
many years.

2268
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:42,320
I first off want to speak about Kluff

2269
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,199
Pike between Shaylor Road and McMahon

2270
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:48,400
Road. It is one of the busiest and

2271
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,440
dangerous stretches of road in Union

2272
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:55,280
Township. This section is at its peak

2273
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:59,520
congestion during school bus pickup in

2274
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,960
the morning and workers going to work at

2275
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,159
it starts all over again when all

2276
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:09,199
schools let out and workers are going

2277
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:15,040
home. This will make it impossible

2278
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:19,040
for those wanting to leave from Oaks at

2279
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,000
Ridge Point subdivision.

2280
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:27,120
That traffic will not let them out. We

2281
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:31,440
on Pike know because we cannot get out

2282
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,320
of our own driveways.

2283
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,280
I ask our police chief

2284
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,719
here today. You remember trying to get

2285
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:43,920
in and out of the old Glenn Estie High

2286
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,120
School in the morning and when school

2287
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,560
let out. A police officer was needed to

2288
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,760
direct traffic and that is what will be

2289
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,520
needed to help those at the Oaks at

2290
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,400
Ridge Point get out of their

2291
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,400
subdivision. A police officer five days

2292
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:08,560
a week, two times a day. That may be

2293
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,639
what that part of club might need. Might

2294
01:29:12,639 --> 01:29:14,400
be good.

2295
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,280
But with how the police and Union

2296
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,440
Townships budget is stretched as it is,

2297
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:25,120
we must come up with another answer.

2298
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,560
The only solution for the entrance to

2299
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,920
the oaks at Ridge Point subdivision on

2300
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,159
cloth pipe could only be used as an

2301
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:41,199
enter only heading to Shaylor Road and

2302
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,840
when leaving the subdivision only

2303
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,920
turning right on Clough Pike heading

2304
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,560
toward Shaylor Road. The real answer is

2305
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:58,239
to put an entrance

2306
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:02,639
to the subdivision on Shaylor Road.

2307
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:05,920
The developer had concerns about the

2308
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,560
creek at the zoning meeting. Upon

2309
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,239
observation

2310
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:17,600
and Apple Maps, there is enough land to

2311
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,719
make the needed entrance for the

2312
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:25,199
subdivision. An estimated 500 ft before

2313
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:29,120
the creek. More than enough needed. This

2314
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:33,120
is the best time to tell the developer

2315
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,400
that they must put the main entrance to

2316
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:41,199
the Oaks at Ridge Point subdivision

2317
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:44,000
there because they will have to pay for

2318
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,159
it now and Union Township will not have

2319
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:52,639
to pay for the mistake later.

2320
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:55,040
Just think

2321
01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:00,560
58 homes, mom and dad have cars.

2322
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,560
One car for the children. That's

2323
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,639
180 cars trying to get out on pipe in

2324
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:11,679
the morning going to work and school.

2325
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:15,679
The traffic will not let them out

2326
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:18,320
because they've got to be someplace as

2327
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,600
well.

2328
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,520
So that's

2329
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,480
180 cars backed up in the new

2330
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:29,520
subdivision that was not planned well.

2331
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,360
The developer wants to change R1 to R4.

2332
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,159
The Woodmont subdivision that will be

2333
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:39,920
behind it, including Ridge Point Drive,

2334
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,080
is R2.

2335
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:49,590
Why not change R1 to R2 and not R4?

2336
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,239
Mr. Trustees, before we leave here

2337
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,239
today,

2338
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:57,360
I would like to uh

2339
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,440
end just a few concerns of those about

2340
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,560
Bluff Pike. They would like to see, this

2341
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,719
is my constituents that have gotten with

2342
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:10,000
me, and they would like to see a right

2343
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:14,560
turn on the red light as a three-way

2344
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,159
light

2345
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:19,760
uh at McMahon and CL. They would like to

2346
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,520
see no turn on red. That would give the

2347
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,440
subdivision a chance to get out

2348
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:30,960
and uh that would cut down on the road

2349
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,480
rage.

2350
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,960
There's quite a bit of road rage there.

2351
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,199
Uh the cars when they try to get out of

2352
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:40,880
their subdivision there, cars are upset

2353
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:45,040
and they ride their bumper and they toot

2354
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,440
all the way down.

2355
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:50,320
Another thing would be great is to

2356
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,040
change the speed limit from 40 miles

2357
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:58,560
hour to 25 or 30 miles per hour in that

2358
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,080
stretch from light to light. I hope I've

2359
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,239
presented all of my constituents

2360
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:08,639
concerns of voting prect well. We want

2361
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:10,880
to work with the trustees and the

2362
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,880
developer on this project. We feel that

2363
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,159
the matters that we have put before you

2364
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:21,440
are not out of this world and can be

2365
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:25,679
done where all can be happy. President

2366
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,440
Ronald Reagan was once asked about his

2367
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,199
deal making

2368
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:34,239
and how he went about it. He stated,

2369
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:38,320
"Both sides must come away feeling they

2370
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,040
came away with something.

2371
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,719
If only one gets everything, then the

2372
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:48,080
next time you sit down across the table

2373
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:54,080
with that person, they will remember."

2374
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,120
And uh, Mr. Trustees, before you cast

2375
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,960
your vote on changing the zoning from R1

2376
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,639
to R4, I'd like to speak for 30 seconds

2377
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:08,480
before you cast that vote.

2378
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,880
>> Uh, that's not really how it works

2379
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,760
though, Mr. So this mean meaning this is

2380
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,840
your time to talk right now. I call up

2381
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,600
other people. Uh so it all comes down to

2382
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,400
safety for our community and for our new

2383
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,440
neighbors that will arrive when the oaks

2384
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,800
at Ridge Point subdivision is completed.

2385
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,360
That's all we want from our trustees and

2386
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,639
the developer. If both parties will not

2387
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,800
work with us to achieve these goals,

2388
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,199
which I know our trustees are wanting to

2389
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:44,159
work with us, and the trustees okay to

2390
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:48,560
the zoning change from R1 to R4,

2391
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,990
then we

2392
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,520
do

2393
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:58,000
have uh uh then we must do as the law

2394
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,159
permits. that we have been working on

2395
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:06,719
as a group in precinct T is called a

2396
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:09,120
zoning referendum.

2397
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,080
Once we have our needed signatures on a

2398
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,760
petition, the matter of keeping the

2399
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,480
properties at R1 or R4 will be voted on

2400
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:25,199
the 20 26 November election and be voted

2401
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:28,800
on by the people.

2402
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,639
So

2403
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:32,239
that

2404
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:37,199
will hold up your ground baking

2405
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:39,520
development

2406
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,080
not happen.

2407
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,320
>> Thank you. Mr. Muse,

2408
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,800
Mr. Flouty, can you throw up a a good

2409
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,000
overview picture so I can see the uh

2410
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,159
houses, you know, on on either side and

2411
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:53,600
then also the roads it's on.

2412
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,199
>> Yeah. You want a little wider one? I I

2413
01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:56,480
just have a feeling we're going to be

2414
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:01,120
referencing uh the map quite a bit.

2415
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,800
>> You you had one in your presentation

2416
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:11,030
that was good.

2417
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:14,310
» Um

2418
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,159
» yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that one's fine. Can you maybe just Yeah, that's fine.

2419
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,400
That's fine. Okay, perfect.

2420
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,800
Okay. Uh All right.

2421
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:24,480
Uh, is there anyone else that'd like to

2422
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:25,760
talk on this project? Yes, sir. I see

2423
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:33,990
you in the back. Come on up, sir.

2424
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,600
All right.

2425
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,560
>> No problem. Yeah, you're okay. And then

2426
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,000
just raise your right hand. And sir, do

2427
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,120
you swear to tell the truth, the whole

2428
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:42,320
truth, and they both the truth? So hopey

2429
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:42,800
God.

2430
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:43,280
>> I do.

2431
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:44,400
>> Great. And then just state your name and

2432
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,520
address for the record.

2433
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,239
>> My name is Scott Shean. My address is

2434
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:53,199
1069 Ridge Point Drive in Betavia.

2435
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:53,920
>> Go ahead.

2436
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:54,239
>> Yeah.

2437
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:57,360
>> Good evening, gentlemen. Lisa,

2438
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,920
>> um,

2439
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:01,679
starting off, I hate I hate to just be

2440
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:04,560
an opponent for everything. I I was

2441
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,800
against the uh the new subdivision going

2442
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,840
through to Ridge Point. So, accolades

2443
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,400
for the the solution of of having a

2444
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,520
culde-sac. I think that solves uh at

2445
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,239
least one of my concerns. So that that's

2446
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:23,920
on a positive note. Thank you. Um

2447
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,920
concerns that I have uh are several. Um

2448
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,400
if we can we is there another

2449
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,800
>> Let me shoot this up to you guys and you

2450
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,560
can pass. Can I bring approach

2451
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:37,360
>> this one? This one

2452
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:38,000
>> the table.

2453
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:45,990
>> Yeah. Cool.

2454
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,159
That's okay. Craig, give me a give me a

2455
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,960
better picture than that.

2456
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,960
>> The the one Yeah, was fine.

2457
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,199
>> I just want to be able to reference it.

2458
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:57,360
>> That's perfect. Yeah. Okay.

2459
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,600
>> All right. The first the first thing I I

2460
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,880
would want to talk about is the

2461
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,119
um

2462
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:07,520
in the culde-sac having the seven seven

2463
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,199
times. Um, couple things come to mind

2464
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:15,280
here. Uh, the first one is and and my my

2465
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:20,320
house is uh next to lot 52. I don't know

2466
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,199
whether it's that's my house right

2467
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:27,840
there. And lot 52 is right here. Lot 52

2468
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,880
is uh one of the smaller lots. It's got

2469
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,880
a 58 foot frontage. uh according to the

2470
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,280
uh design requirements, you have to have

2471
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,679
five feet on each side of the of the

2472
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:42,960
home, which means it's a 48

2473
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:48,239
uh it's 48 ft wide maximum. Um and and

2474
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:52,080
uh if you look at the uh geology and the

2475
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,719
topography of the of the land, the the

2476
01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:59,360
water from this area here flows down

2477
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,000
this way toward where you have a a

2478
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,880
retention pond slammed and um it the

2479
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,000
creek starts probably just to the back

2480
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,360
of my house uh on on the on the edge of

2481
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:17,440
the property. Uh, in fact, I would say a

2482
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:20,239
little bit on on my property and and

2483
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:24,400
maybe 10 or 15 feet into lot 52. And it

2484
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,280
comes down as kind of a wedge that uh

2485
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:32,239
culminates uh maybe 40 feet behind uh my

2486
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:35,760
house in a in the beginning of a creek.

2487
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,239
And my concern is is if you look at the

2488
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:41,119
topography of the land, it it all slopes

2489
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,960
on 52 from the CF site

2490
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,760
uh down toward my property. And I don't

2491
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,840
know how you would ever build uh a

2492
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,280
foundation to a house uh without pushing

2493
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,920
the dirt around in in a manner that

2494
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,119
would move the water towards my house

2495
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:02,560
and my property. So that is that is a a

2496
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,480
major concern

2497
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,840
uh of a of water issue. You can't walk

2498
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:13,760
through that area without waiters. Even when it's uh even when it's dry out

2499
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,440
uh as you get down it uh further down

2500
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:20,480
from my house, you do need

2501
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,639
>> heavy galashes to walk through that

2502
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:26,880
area. Um, the other concern I have is

2503
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:32,480
you do have seven homes in that area in that uh culde-sac. We have covenants

2504
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:35,840
that we had to sign uh uh in order to

2505
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,760
get title to the to our property.

2506
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,880
Everyone on Ridge Point, whether they

2507
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,199
live up to them or not, had to had to

2508
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:47,280
sign uh that uh the covenants as as part

2509
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:48,080
of the neighborhood

2510
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:49,280
>> for the HOA,

2511
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:49,679
>> please.

2512
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:51,920
>> For for the HOA, is there an HOA in your

2513
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:52,239
neighborhood?

2514
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:56,639
>> There there there is no formal HOA.

2515
01:40:56,639 --> 01:40:59,360
>> So that and that whole thing needs to be

2516
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,600
rationalized and and normalized because

2517
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,199
you're going to be adding seven houses

2518
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:06,639
into an area that has defined covenants

2519
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:09,840
that that uh someone could legally take

2520
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,880
uh a neighbor to task on it because they

2521
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,679
signed off on it. And and then and then

2522
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:17,520
the the uh

2523
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,840
>> my neighborhood's like that. There there

2524
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,280
are things such as what even what fences

2525
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,320
can be used in that HOA in I'm sorry in

2526
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,440
the covenants and and normalizing those

2527
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,600
is is really important otherwise it's

2528
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,280
going to be real messy going down the

2529
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:37,119
road. Um,

2530
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,310
the

2531
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,360
last item is and and you can see it

2532
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,040
better on the thing that I passed out

2533
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,239
there is my driveway is is on the side

2534
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:51,760
right toward uh lot 52.

2535
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,920
I for the life of me I don't know how

2536
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,080
you would build that culde-sac or or

2537
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,719
anything without blocking my blocking me

2538
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,679
and and I'd like to understand how you

2539
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:06,080
would manage that because uh um you know

2540
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,520
I I can move my car down a little bit uh

2541
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,239
but I'm I'm not 40 years old. It could

2542
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:14,800
be that I need a life squad. the people

2543
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:18,400
next to us uh uh have had the life squad

2544
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,080
at their house several times and and uh

2545
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,159
we we just can't block off that end of

2546
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,719
the street while things are being built.

2547
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,880
There could be and let me let me propose

2548
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,960
a suggestion, you know, instead of

2549
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,000
everything just being uh what you can't

2550
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,119
do. Um the culde-sac could be designed

2551
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:40,080
and pro the preliminary design and built

2552
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,920
coming in off of Kluff. Um lay it all

2553
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,159
out and then when you finally get it all

2554
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:49,040
laid out uh then you know before you put

2555
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,719
the the the curb and the the final

2556
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:55,119
street in that's when you switch it back

2557
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:59,440
to Ridge Point and and and manage it uh

2558
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:01,199
manage it properly. I think I think

2559
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:03,520
that's a a way to do that with

2560
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:10,480
minimizing the the the pain and agony to the three or four houses down at the

2561
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:12,960
end of the street. So, that's that's

2562
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:18,000
kind of uh where I'm at. My concern is the water

2563
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,840
uh how you would manage that water with

2564
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,719
a 48 foot frontage on on a house with

2565
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:25,280
five feet on either side in the in the

2566
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,159
midst of of uh the beginning of a a

2567
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:29,760
creek.

2568
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,440
um the covenants and uh my driveway.

2569
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:35,360
That's that's it. Anyone have any

2570
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:36,000
questions?

2571
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,760
>> Mr. Sheman. She right.

2572
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,600
>> She

2573
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,360
sir vice chairman. Any questions?

2574
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,159
>> No.

2575
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:43,360
>> Mr. Lug?

2576
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,040
>> Uh not currently.

2577
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,600
>> She miss Sheman. By the way, by the way,

2578
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:48,080
>> please. [clears throat]

2579
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,000
>> I I [snorts] want to commend you because

2580
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,520
not I don't want to say all the time.

2581
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,040
That's a blanket statement. But [snorts]

2582
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:00,080
more often than not, typically residents

2583
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:05,520
will come up no no no no. Right. And and

2584
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,280
you have come up here with a positive

2585
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:14,719
attitude with uh other concessions and also um you know solutions. And so I

2586
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:16,239
wrote everything you just said down. And

2587
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,400
so I just wanted to say appreciate that.

2588
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:23,040
Um because I am I'm I'm a pro liberty

2589
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,639
kind of guy. I mean, if it's your land,

2590
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:25,520
do whatever you want. You want to sell

2591
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,320
it, sell it. You want to develop it, As long as it meets, you

2592
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,880
know, the the township rules. And so, uh

2593
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,400
I just appreciate you you doing that. By

2594
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,560
the way, um can can I can I keep this

2595
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:35,760
for the time being, please?

2596
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,280
>> Sure. I've got it on my computer.

2597
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:38,480
>> And then developers, whoever's going to

2598
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:40,320
talk, y'all need to plan because he's

2599
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,560
100% right. I'm looking at this and I'm

2600
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,719
looking also at lot number 58 across the

2601
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,639
street from you, which would be category

2602
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,119
to your left. Um, I I need to hear a

2603
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:51,360
plan and what you plan on doing because

2604
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:52,639
I will not have this man be

2605
01:44:52,639 --> 01:44:54,880
inconvenienced whatsoever. Um, I need to

2606
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:55,920
make sure that's crystal clear and

2607
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,520
addressed and for the the lot across the

2608
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,960
street from him. Um, and and and uh the

2609
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,520
reason why you do R4 is so you can not

2610
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,280
have every lot size the same size

2611
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:06,960
because that makes things difficult. So

2612
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:08,960
R4 is actually a good thing when it's

2613
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,719
used properly. And I think these

2614
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:11,920
builders are trying to do it properly.

2615
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,520
However,

2616
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,320
that is a small lot size and I do not

2617
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,800
want dirt or water or you to be or your

2618
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,960
driveway to be blocked at all. Period.

2619
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,639
So, I have your back on that 100%. I

2620
01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:23,840
know these two guys will as well. So,

2621
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:24,960
I'm just speaking on their behalf right

2622
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,320
now. For what it's worth, thank you for

2623
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:27,760
pointing that out. So, I appreciate that

2624
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,000
and um and that'll give these guys some

2625
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,679
times to prep for a response to that

2626
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:33,119
because we're not going to allow that.

2627
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:34,480
I'm not gonna allow that. So, for what

2628
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:35,520
it's worth, thank you for your time. So,

2629
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:36,880
thank you, Mr. Appreciate it very much.

2630
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:37,920
Thank you.

2631
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,440
>> The uh Okay. Uh, anyone else that is a

2632
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:44,239
uh uh what's the word? Not proponent.

2633
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:46,719
Uh, against this against this opponent.

2634
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,239
Geez, what is wrong with me? The

2635
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:50,560
opponent of this case, please.

2636
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,800
>> All right. All right. Will you please

2637
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,760
raise your right hand? Do you swear to

2638
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,040
tell truth, the whole truth, nothing but

2639
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,400
the truth. So, bey God.

2640
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,440
>> Great. Uh, name and address for the

2641
01:45:57,440 --> 01:45:58,000
record, miss.

2642
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,760
>> My name is Susan Dudak, and I live at

2643
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:01,520
1087 Gwood Drive. C,

2644
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,119
>> can you say your name one more time?

2645
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:04,320
>> Susan Dudak.

2646
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,360
>> Dudak. Okay. Susan. Okay. So, a lot of

2647
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,480
us here were at the uh previous zoning

2648
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:13,040
um meeting where this was all discussed

2649
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,400
and oftent times the question came up,

2650
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,080
what is the difference between R1 and

2651
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,080
R4? It's it's it's hard for most

2652
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:21,840
homeowners to understand that and most

2653
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,040
don't. Um and we come to those meetings

2654
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,880
so we can get facts. That's what we

2655
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,199
count on you guys for. So, I can tell

2656
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:32,719
you that the um description of R1 versus

2657
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:34,800
R4 that was given by the zoning

2658
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,159
commission was extremely misleading and

2659
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:41,440
highly biased. Okay? And let me give you

2660
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:44,880
an example of what they said. In R1,

2661
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,880
typically the houses would be on cookie

2662
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,119
cutter halfacre lots. Now, every time

2663
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,199
they spoke about R1, they use the word

2664
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:54,239
cookie cutter. But with R4, we are

2665
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,000
allowed to vary the size and shape of

2666
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,840
these lots. Some can be smaller, some

2667
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,000
can be larger, there can be fluctuation,

2668
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,400
there can be diversification rather than

2669
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,560
just this cutout subdivision that we

2670
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:08,480
used to see all the time. Um, in an R1

2671
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:10,480
traditional neighborhood, the lots are

2672
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:12,880
cookie cutter and variable means the

2673
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,000
lots can fluctuate in size. Now, our one

2674
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,480
neighborhood, example, Shante Clear

2675
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:21,040
Woods, Crystal Creek, drive into one of

2676
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:22,560
those neighborhoods, do you see cookie

2677
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,840
cutter? Do you see unvaried lot sizes?

2678
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:29,679
It has nothing to do with that. Um, you

2679
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:31,360
want to see cookie cutter, drive into an

2680
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,520
R4 neighborhood, drive into Weatherbe

2681
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:38,000
Farms, drive into um Magnolia Trace,

2682
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,760
nice houses, but boom boom boom lots.

2683
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:48,719
So, the um zoning commission said they said specifically, we are trying to

2684
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:51,119
encourage our force.

2685
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,920
They kept referring to the Horizon 2 TW

2686
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,679
uh 2030 as backing up this um ability to

2687
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:00,000
build our force. And let me read you

2688
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,480
from that report because I'm sure that

2689
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:04,080
most people don't even know it exists,

2690
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,080
let alone have read it. So there is a

2691
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,000
section in there called land use

2692
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,880
recommendations residential development.

2693
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,760
And the report specifically says, "This

2694
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,320
comprehensive land use planning document

2695
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:19,119
shall continue to recommend single

2696
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:22,080
family large lot residential development

2697
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,639
as the guiding principle for new family

2698
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:26,320
development throughout the majority of

2699
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,040
Union Township. Now, it goes on to talk

2700
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,360
about little pockets where there might

2701
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,520
be the possibility that higher densers

2702
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,159
might be appropriate, but this is not

2703
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:39,840
one of those pockets. And even in the

2704
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:43,040
documentation that I received here today

2705
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,960
um where the zoning commission is saying

2706
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,159
further adjacent land uses use use

2707
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:50,960
characteristics nearly mirror the

2708
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,199
proposed development plan. Well

2709
01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:58,159
take a look at the township zoning map.

2710
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,800
What do you see? You see yellow and

2711
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,119
yellow outside of the development for

2712
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:10,560
businesses R1 and R2. There are very few R4s here. I mean it's so that's

2713
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,040
not true. Uh their description of our

2714
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,159
winner, they're clearly biased. So who

2715
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,840
here is to stand up for us? Because

2716
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,280
that's not what the community wants. Um

2717
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,159
so that's my first comment. Okay. My

2718
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,719
second thing, I'm a real estate agent.

2719
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:30,880
So when I heard when I hear about a new

2720
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,639
builder that I've never heard of before,

2721
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:35,360
I'm I'm going to do my homework. So, at

2722
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,760
the last zoning meeting, they said that

2723
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,199
the price range for this neighborhood

2724
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,440
was going to be in the $600,000 plus

2725
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:44,239
price range. I see they've ded that

2726
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:47,760
down. So, did anybody ask, does Arbor

2727
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,679
Homes build $600,000 houses, let alone

2728
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:54,480
$600,000 neighborhoods? So, I started

2729
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:56,080
with AI, Google, you know, because

2730
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,400
that's where you start, right? I said,

2731
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,320
"What kind of homes does Arbor Homes

2732
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,360
build?" And it came back. Arbor Homes

2733
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,760
builds affordable stickuilt single

2734
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,320
family ranch and two-story houses

2735
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,199
featuring open concept layouts tailored

2736
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,280
for firsttime buyers and growing

2737
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,920
families. Their properties range from

2738
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,080
budget friendly starter options to

2739
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,800
larger plans with semicustom structural

2740
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,920
choices. I'm like, okay, that doesn't

2741
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,480
sound real. So, I I got more specific. I

2742
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:29,360
said, does Arbor Homes build $600,000

2743
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,320
plus houses? And the answer came back,

2744
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,119
no. Arbor Homes does not build houses

2745
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:37,920
priced above 600,000. Their business

2746
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,960
model focuses exclusively on affordable

2747
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,679
entrylevel and mid-range production

2748
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:46,000
houses, maxing out well below that

2749
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,600
threshold.

2750
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,840
Talks about their target demographics.

2751
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,239
Arbor Homes intentionally develops an

2752
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,560
outer suburban rings where land costs

2753
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:57,760
are lower, utilizing tax incentives to

2754
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,719
specifically keep homes attainable for

2755
01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:04,000
firsttime or moving up buyers.

2756
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,000
So now I'm getting a little concerned.

2757
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,760
So like let's go to their website,

2758
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:09,840
right? What what does their website say?

2759
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,679
So, if you go to their website and you

2760
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:13,920
look at their mission statement on their

2761
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,239
website, this is their mission statement

2762
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,560
to increase home ownership for those

2763
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,840
that didn't think they could afford it.

2764
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:23,520
Now, I'm getting kind of worried about

2765
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,840
this subdivision. So, I thought, okay,

2766
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,239
let's let's let's take a look at where

2767
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,000
they are in Ohio and what have they what

2768
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,000
have they done or they built? So, they

2769
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,080
are building in about 20 neighborhoods

2770
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,480
uh in Ohio so far. And it really is

2771
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,239
true. They're in very outer suburban

2772
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:42,320
rings. They're in places like Washington

2773
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:43,920
Courthouse,

2774
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,119
uh, Plain City, Lethopoulos, Belf

2775
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:51,199
Fontaine, Vandelia, Tip City, Peekqua,

2776
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:54,960
New Carile. Okay. Um, and then I looked

2777
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,560
at, and this is all information from

2778
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,480
their website. I looked at what are the

2779
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:01,119
starting prices in these neighborhoods.

2780
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:06,960
Here they are. 250, 370, 240, 230, 260,

2781
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:12,560
320, 240, 230, 240, 280, 270, 350, 270,

2782
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,159
330, 280, 300, 270.

2783
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:19,679
Now, in none of these neighborhoods are

2784
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:21,599
you going to be able to build a $600,000

2785
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:23,119
house because you're not going to you're

2786
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:24,800
not going to start at 300 and put

2787
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,360
$300,000 into upgrades. I mean, that just doesn't happen. So I said,

2788
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:30,560
"Okay, well, you know, they're

2789
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,320
headquartered in Indianapolis. So let me

2790
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:33,360
look at what they're building in

2791
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:36,159
Indianapolis." So they have 31 home

2792
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:39,199
sites in Indianapolis and only two of

2793
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:43,440
them start above 300,000. One at 300,000

2794
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:46,239
and one at 350. They have nine home

2795
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:48,800
sites in Louisville. None of those home

2796
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,159
sites start above 300,000.

2797
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:53,280
So

2798
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:54,400
>> Okay. Can I ask you a question without

2799
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:55,119
interrupting you?

2800
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:56,480
>> Yeah.

2801
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,239
I don't if you ever shop for a new home

2802
01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:01,119
like a to build from scratch. So if you

2803
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:04,480
ever This goes back to a uh Mr. Flouty

2804
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,080
issue because you know all those garbage

2805
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,760
signs that those home builders put up at

2806
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,000
all the corners of busy intersections

2807
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,080
and you see the illegal signs that are

2808
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,760
removed in his report. A lot of those

2809
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,599
are like those home builders, right?

2810
01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:17,840
Which we hate. We all hate. Uh but it'll

2811
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,599
say homes starting at 300,000. Well,

2812
01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:21,440
that's literally like a a bare bones

2813
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,320
home. But once you add the countertops,

2814
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,320
the special floors, the special, you

2815
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,760
know, finished basement or whatever,

2816
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,360
then the price ticks up to four, five,

2817
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,679
600,000. So Mike, I'm not I'm just

2818
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:33,760
asking you that question. Is is is it

2819
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,840
say starting at bu building or are these

2820
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:36,960
homes currently built and they've been

2821
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:38,480
on the market and I'm just curious for

2822
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,239
that because you know, is it the starter

2823
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:41,360
package?

2824
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,800
>> Well, I looked into these neighborhoods

2825
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,800
and the homes were priced around that.

2826
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,360
Now, even if you get into a $300,000

2827
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,520
neighborhood, there's no way you're

2828
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,840
going to put $300,000 in upgrades into

2829
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,080
that house. True. It just doesn't

2830
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:55,840
happen. And one of the ways that

2831
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,880
builders keep their prices low is they

2832
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:02,000
use standardized flow plans. They have

2833
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:03,679
volume discounts that they get from

2834
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:05,679
their contractors and their providers so

2835
01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:07,520
that their quality is pretty much all

2836
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,360
the same. That's how they make their

2837
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:14,000
dollar here. So, it's extremely

2838
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,920
far-fetched for me to think that this is

2839
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,639
going to be a $500,000 neighborhood. And

2840
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:20,560
then on top of that, they want tiny

2841
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:24,000
little lots that are not um like

2842
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,320
anything else that's around it. I've got

2843
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,960
a real concern now. Is this the kind of

2844
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,639
neighborhood that's going to add value

2845
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:33,679
to this area? And and and how do you

2846
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:36,719
guarantee that?

2847
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:39,360
Is is is that really your question to

2848
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:40,000
us?

2849
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:40,480
>> Yeah.

2850
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,840
>> To to require the board to

2851
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,159
require a higher value

2852
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,400
>> well higher dollar builder to build

2853
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,159
here. I just want to make sure I get the

2854
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:51,520
question.

2855
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,679
>> We all want a neighborhood that adds to

2856
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:55,920
the value of the community and not

2857
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,880
detracts from it. And so from what I'm

2858
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:02,800
hearing so far, I'm not seeing this

2859
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,960
>> proposal as the type that is going to

2860
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,679
add to this community. So I'm very

2861
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:09,520
concerned and I think you should be very

2862
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,199
concerned as well. And I know that's why

2863
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:12,320
we're all here.

2864
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:13,520
>> Right. Got it. Right.

2865
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:14,960
>> So we're not opposed to building a

2866
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:16,239
subdivision there. Right.

2867
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:18,000
>> But let's make it the right one. And I

2868
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:19,360
mean it starts with you and you

2869
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:22,320
approving R1 to R4. That's a big step

2870
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,639
here that that just isn't reflective of

2871
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:27,199
the community.

2872
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:29,040
So, I would like you to ask you to take

2873
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,040
that into consideration

2874
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:31,599
and then

2875
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:33,599
>> and I would speak on the uh Kluff Pike

2876
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:35,679
thing, but I think you have enough

2877
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:36,960
information on that.

2878
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,719
>> The uh and I don't want to interrupt you

2879
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,000
again. I'm sorry. Sorry. Are you

2880
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,440
finished? Okay. Are are you finished or

2881
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:46,639
No. Um, I just want to say that with the with the cluff um, entrance

2882
01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:49,119
kind of thing,

2883
01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:50,880
>> I think Union Township is getting a

2884
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,119
reputation for letting builders come in,

2885
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:55,440
build whatever they want, forget about

2886
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,280
what impact it has on the surrounding

2887
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,119
areas. And of course, when you bring

2888
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:00,480
that up with the zoning commission, you

2889
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:01,920
know what they say? Oh, not our problem.

2890
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:03,840
That's a Clare that's a Claremont County

2891
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,239
thing. But it is their problem and it is

2892
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:07,840
your problem because you are approving

2893
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,639
these subdivisions. So, you have a great

2894
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:14,000
opportunity in this this instance to ask

2895
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,520
the builder to step up. It's going to

2896
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,040
cost him a little bit more money. That's

2897
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,040
why he doesn't want to move the the

2898
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:20,960
entrance to Shaylor, but it's going to

2899
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,280
cost us a lot less money in the long

2900
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:25,360
run. So, you can do that. You can say,

2901
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,280
"Hey, Mr. Builder, go back and change

2902
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,080
that entrance, you know, and make the

2903
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,320
builder, when possible, step up and take

2904
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,719
a little bit of responsibility for the

2905
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,560
impact, the negative impact that he is

2906
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:42,239
having on the community. Let's have builders that do that.

2907
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:44,560
>> The um

2908
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:45,199
Are you finished?

2909
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:45,520
>> I'm finished.

2910
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,000
>> Okay, interrupt you. I'm sorry. So, um

2911
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,239
>> by the way, uh you don't think about

2912
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:52,320
things until they're brought up, right?

2913
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,480
So, this board had no idea. We just

2914
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:55,920
didn't think about it. For example, uh

2915
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,760
do you remember when we voted on the

2916
01:56:57,760 --> 01:56:59,360
truck weight and you couldn't have a

2917
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:00,639
commercial vehicle

2918
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:02,639
>> in your parking driveway?

2919
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:04,159
>> Silliest.

2920
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:08,000
And I'm using I'm and I'm using uh imag

2921
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:09,280
like to use a different word, but I'm

2922
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,159
saying silliest rule that we had in the

2923
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:13,040
township.

2924
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,480
>> You have a minivan legal. You slap a

2925
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,080
company sticker on the side of it.

2926
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,360
Illegal. You couldn't park in your

2927
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,000
driveway. And I'm like, what? Are you

2928
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,239
kidding me? And so we we changed that

2929
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,000
rule to where, hey, if you want to start

2930
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,280
your own company and have a pickup truck

2931
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:28,239
and now you want to start your own

2932
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:29,920
plumbing company, slap your logo on it,

2933
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,599
you should be allowed to do that. Now,

2934
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:32,719
can you have dump trucks and

2935
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:34,719
semi-truckss parked in your drive? No.

2936
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:36,080
Uh, but we didn't know that till it was

2937
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:37,119
brought to our attention and we

2938
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:38,480
immediately as this board rectify it

2939
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:40,000
changed it so there we allow folks to

2940
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,360
have more liberty and freedom to start

2941
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:42,880
their own company or whatever, right?

2942
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,159
Um, but we didn't know that till brought

2943
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,880
to our attention. Um, so I did not know

2944
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,040
that folks thought the the the wording

2945
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:51,520
and the explanation of R1 to R2 to R3 to

2946
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,960
R4 um was trickery or plain favorites at

2947
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,360
all. I don't I don't want that. So, uh,

2948
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,440
this Mr. Flowy's lane. So, Mr. Flouty,

2949
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,360
can you can you make a note? Let's let's

2950
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,239
try to bring it up to to look at that of

2951
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:06,320
the wording of the differences between

2952
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,719
R1 to R4 and and make sure it's

2953
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:10,000
clear-cut and I don't want it to seem

2954
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,840
biased whatsoever. Let's just let's just

2955
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,360
check check it out and look at it if

2956
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:15,920
that's okay. And then I'll tell you this

2957
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,280
uh M Dubac Mr. Becker voted no on it.

2958
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:22,400
Mr. Flo voted yes on a uh a housing

2959
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:26,080
development project. And uh it's uh it

2960
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,560
was funny because those houses were 5 to

2961
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:30,400
600,000 and it was from a different

2962
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:32,960
builder and they they they are they have

2963
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,480
um continuity. They have history of

2964
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:38,080
building 5 to600,000 homes. Him and I

2965
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,239
got chastised because wait hold on we

2966
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:41,840
can't. They're like this community

2967
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,760
doesn't want 500 to $600,000 homes. We

2968
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:45,599
want more affordable homes like two to

2969
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:48,480
400,000. We we got ri ripped for this

2970
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,560
and we're like okay. And then [laughter]

2971
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:54,159
now and so and so and so uh and so you

2972
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:57,199
know if it is 350 so the the argument we

2973
01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:58,880
heard the la the last this couple months

2974
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,360
ago was guys this is Union Township.

2975
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:02,800
This isn't Indian Hill or Terrace Park.

2976
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,040
We don't want $600,000 homes. We're like

2977
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,280
okay and then now and now you're you're

2978
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:08,639
saying see so you know you know it's you

2979
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:09,920
know what's tough and I I get it. This

2980
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:11,599
is what we signed up for. It's tough

2981
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:13,760
because we made that decision. And you

2982
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,040
might have liked that decision because

2983
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,320
those homes are going to be half a

2984
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:18,239
million dollar plus and and

2985
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,280
hypothetically if these homes are not

2986
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,320
600,000 they are more 350 to 550 that's

2987
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,560
going to make you unhappy and so it's

2988
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,599
like geez no matter what we do I mean I

2989
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:31,280
don't know that they're going to be 550.

2990
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,440
So they referenced Magnolia Trace which

2991
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,199
is right down the street right

2992
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:37,840
>> now Magnolia Trace has not been able to

2993
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:40,800
sell new construction over 600. Okay.

2994
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:42,719
There's one house, I think, out of 60

2995
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:46,000
that sold over 600. Now, this is Dre and

2996
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,400
Brookstone Homes. Brookstone,

2997
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,560
>> they build half a million dollar houses.

2998
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,560
They build million-doll houses in

2999
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,719
million-doll neighborhoods. They have a

3000
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:56,400
background and they have an

3001
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,040
infrastructure to support that. They

3002
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,199
can't even build that high a level of

3003
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,040
house. How is somebody like Arbor

3004
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:04,400
Holmes, who doesn't have any

3005
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,159
infrastructure to support that, who's

3006
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:08,320
never done it before, how are they going

3007
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,960
to do it? So, I question I know there's

3008
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:12,560
not much you can do about the quality,

3009
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:14,239
but you can do something about the

3010
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:17,520
zoning. Make the lots larger, you know?

3011
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:19,119
I mean, what's wrong with minimum

3012
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:21,920
setbacks? You can't The only thing wrong

3013
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:23,599
with it is you can't stuff as many

3014
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:24,800
houses in there.

3015
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:25,119
>> Yeah,

3016
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:26,000
>> that's it.

3017
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,560
>> The uh I understand the uh you you you

3018
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,199
made one comment about I wrote it down

3019
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:33,840
about some of the tax incentives. Um I I

3020
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:35,840
don't know why I don't get on Next Door

3021
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,960
at all. Uh but but uh folks tell me

3022
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:40,560
about it and people will say, "Oh,

3023
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:41,840
another tax incentive. Another tax

3024
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,800
incentive." We have never given out a

3025
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:48,320
tax incentive um uh to home builders or

3026
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:49,760
businesses. Uh that's just not something

3027
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,480
that we do. But for some people have in their brain that that's

3028
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,320
happened. These folks are not getting

3029
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:55,679
any incentive from us. I know that. So

3030
02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:56,639
just so you know. So

3031
02:00:56,639 --> 02:00:58,159
>> yeah, I understand that. But you do give

3032
02:00:58,159 --> 02:00:59,840
out tiffs. You give out tiffs to

3033
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,360
apartment buildings and all sorts of

3034
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,080
stuff like that,

3035
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,480
>> which which uh conversation for a

3036
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,400
different day. And and I'll tell you

3037
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:08,880
that that it keeps the money in house so

3038
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:10,320
it doesn't have to go outside the

3039
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:10,880
township

3040
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:12,560
>> but it keeps that away from people like

3041
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:14,400
that.

3042
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:15,760
>> You wouldn't believe it or not. That's

3043
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,760
exactly how they've survived subsidizes

3044
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:18,560
the

3045
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,159
>> have kept those alive have kept them

3046
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:20,960
alive.

3047
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:23,679
>> The tiff cannot cannot can go to the

3048
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:25,920
physical building but it can't be used

3049
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,960
for salary.

3050
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:30,880
So let's let Mr. Wright but that's

3051
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:32,854
another

3052
02:01:32,854 --> 02:01:35,280
[laughter] fair. Fair time and and the

3053
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:36,880
record of multif family

3054
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:38,749
>> time out. So So a tiff just

3055
02:01:38,749 --> 02:01:39,679
[clears throat] 30 second elevator.

3056
02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:41,840
>> 30 second ele Okay. The tiff freezes the

3057
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:43,440
property value at the base prior to the

3058
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,119
improvement. All the improvement goes

3059
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:47,760
into it's basically a separate pile

3060
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:49,599
instead of the pie being split up 50

3061
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:51,280
different ways. It gets it all comes to

3062
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:53,840
the township. We have obligations to

3063
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:55,840
either make the schools whole or provide

3064
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:57,760
alternative compensation depending on

3065
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:00,480
what they want. We do both. Aside from

3066
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:03,599
that, we have the ability to deploy the

3067
02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:06,400
TIFF revenues specifically in support of

3068
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:09,520
safety services. And my May 26 work

3069
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,239
session presentation demonstrated that

3070
02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:15,760
we provide more than three million, was

3071
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,199
it three million? 3 million annually in

3072
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,920
safety services funding from our tiffs

3073
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,280
throughout the township. And we're

3074
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:24,960
permitted to do that.

3075
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,800
>> It's our largest expenditure from the

3076
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:29,520
tiff aside from debt obligations. that

3077
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,199
support things like this building and

3078
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:33,679
other public projects and our compensate

3079
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:35,280
compensation to the schools.

3080
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:38,480
>> Can TIF money be used for policemen or

3081
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:39,679
firemen salaries?

3082
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,920
>> It they can it's technically they can

3083
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,080
>> Yeah, you can use it for you can you can

3084
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:46,320
use it for salaries and capital

3085
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:47,679
indefinitely for police capital

3086
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:49,840
expenditures. We typically use it for

3087
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,480
capital expenditures to offset the hit

3088
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:56,320
on their levied funds which are police

3089
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:00,639
9, 10, and 20 because with the salaries

3090
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:02,960
you have to keep track of that and then

3091
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,440
eventually you basically there's some

3092
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:08,719
you have to basically refund it and then

3093
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:09,520
it's

3094
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,360
>> because I read that the tiff funds

3095
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:12,719
cannot be used for those.

3096
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:17,040
>> You're looking at post 2005 post 2005

3097
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:18,560
tiffs. So,

3098
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,000
>> those are typically tiffs that are

3099
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,520
adopted. Uh, 57097

3100
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,280
I actually just sent this to somebody.

3101
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:28,310
570973

3102
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:30,560
C tiffs, which are I call them area

3103
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:32,880
tiffs, not district or parcel tiffs.

3104
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,159
That's what I call them. Partial tiffs

3105
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:37,119
are specific projects. Area tiffs are

3106
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,679
larger residential uh they're actually

3107
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:41,840
called residential incentive districts.

3108
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,119
We don't have any post 2006 residential

3109
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:45,840
incentive district

3110
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,760
>> tiffs. We only have we have 2003s and

3111
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:51,360
2005s

3112
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,280
>> and all of those are eligible to fund

3113
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,840
police and fire expenses out of that.

3114
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:56,719
>> Okay, good.

3115
02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:59,280
>> And then the 570973b

3116
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,520
tiffs which are the commercial tiffs

3117
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,320
which apartments are taxed commercially.

3118
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,639
>> So they pay a higher effective millage

3119
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,719
rate than a residential property does. I

3120
02:04:08,719 --> 02:04:09,920
believe in West Claremont the

3121
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,080
residential effective rate is about 56

3122
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:15,920
mills and the the commercial rate is 67

3123
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:18,880
or 68 mills. So commercial properties

3124
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:21,760
pay a higher effective millage rate. Uh

3125
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:23,840
for example, I've seen multif family

3126
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:29,199
values as high as 155 to $156,000

3127
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:32,560
per door. So a 200 unit apartment

3128
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:34,320
complex could be appraised as high as

3129
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,599
$30 to $35 million. I think the union

3130
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:39,920
was generating more than was it more

3131
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:42,480
than half a million almost 600 700 th000

3132
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:44,480
don't quote me I got to look it up but

3133
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:47,679
it's a lot of money and from that 55%

3134
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:50,080
goes to the schools the township retains

3135
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:51,920
the other 45% of that

3136
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:55,040
>> under a typical makehole agreement and

3137
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,040
those are used specifically to backs

3138
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,239
stop safety services and to keep the

3139
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:02,880
amount and the levy requests lower

3140
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:04,639
through that economic development

3141
02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:06,639
funding. Well, that's great and thank

3142
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:08,880
you for that information. And that's the

3143
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:11,520
kind of information that we look for

3144
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,599
when we come to zoning meetings, when we

3145
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:15,440
come to this to get the correct

3146
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:17,119
information. So, thank you for that.

3147
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:18,239
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you.

3148
02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:18,880
>> And I'm done.

3149
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,679
>> Good. Good job. By the way, the uh um

3150
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:22,800
Oh, you're good. You're good. The uh

3151
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,119
Okay, it's 8:07. All right. Let me call

3152
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:26,800
for a quick recess. Uh gentlemen, I'll

3153
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:30,719
entertain a motion to recess at uh 8:05.

3154
02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:31,920
>> So, second.

3155
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:33,679
>> Uh any discussion, Mr. Campbell, roll

3156
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,440
call. Mr. Becker.

3157
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:35,760
>> Yes.

3158
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:36,480
>> Mr. Lo.

3159
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:36,800
>> Yes.

3160
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:37,520
>> Mr. Dills.

3161
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:37,920
>> Yes.

3162
02:05:37,920 --> 02:18:37,910
>> For recess at 8:05 p.m.

3163
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:39,519
All right. Uh, Mr. Campbell, I will

3164
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:40,880
entertain a motion or gentleman

3165
02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:44,000
entertain a motion to exit recess. So

3166
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,319
move

3167
02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:46,880
>> second.

3168
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:50,559
>> Mr. Camp roll call.

3169
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:52,000
>> Mr. Becker.

3170
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,040
>> Yes.

3171
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:53,920
>> Mr. Lo.

3172
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:54,559
>> Yes.

3173
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:55,359
>> Mr. Dills.

3174
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:58,800
>> Yes. We're back in session

3175
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:00,559
at 8:18 p.m.

3176
02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:03,040
>> Got it. Perfect. Okay. Uh, thank you,

3177
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:04,800
Miss Dubac. We'll move on. Is there

3178
02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:06,160
anyone else that would like to speak

3179
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:08,559
that is against uh this this uh

3180
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:09,920
development? Sir, come on.

3181
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:11,599
>> And will you please bring your cards up?

3182
02:19:11,599 --> 02:19:13,519
I know I know Mr. Dill said didn't need

3183
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:15,120
them, but I that helps me because I'm

3184
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:16,639
trying to keep notes and keep

3185
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:18,639
>> I apologize. Mr. Campbell needs to write

3186
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:19,840
down your name and address for the

3187
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:21,826
record. The cards help him. So, I

3188
02:19:21,826 --> 02:19:23,040
[snorts] I apologize for that. That was

3189
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:24,639
my mistake. And the reason we do that is

3190
02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:26,160
if there's followup or something, we

3191
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:28,000
need to get back with you. We got your

3192
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,679
name and number. Thank you.

3193
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:31,679
>> Please accept my apology wrong.

3194
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:33,519
>> No, thank you. No, thank you.

3195
02:19:33,519 --> 02:19:34,800
>> All right. Do you swear to tell the

3196
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:36,160
truth, the whole truth, and the truth?

3197
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:36,880
Hope you got it.

3198
02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:37,920
>> I do.

3199
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:39,040
>> Say your name and address.

3200
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:42,639
>> My name is Alex Lambro. I live at 1069

3201
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:44,719
Club Pipe.

3202
02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:47,200
I'm the only resident on Club Pipe that

3203
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:50,000
didn't get a notice

3204
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:51,956
on this development. It doesn't

3205
02:19:51,956 --> 02:19:53,359
[clears throat] matter because I got

3206
02:19:53,359 --> 02:19:56,240
enough information.

3207
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:58,880
I [snorts] recognize the reality

3208
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,359
that people have the rights to develop

3209
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:04,720
the properties. However, when they

3210
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:07,280
purchase the property, regardless of how

3211
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:11,910
they obtained it,

3212
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:15,439
they they knew it was an R1 property.

3213
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,880
They're asking for an R4, which is

3214
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:21,359
legally their rights.

3215
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:26,017
But how it was done is what concerns me.

3216
02:20:26,017 --> 02:20:26,560
[snorts]

3217
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:29,520
Notifications were sent out. Some people

3218
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:32,800
got it, some people didn't.

3219
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:36,560
The association didn't get it

3220
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:40,150
on the development.

3221
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:42,800
And when they made the presentation last

3222
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:44,800
month,

3223
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:48,560
they had none of this information.

3224
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:52,880
Different designs, different completely.

3225
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:55,840
They put the notices out.

3226
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:59,680
Did everybody get them? I didn't.

3227
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,240
Did they put signs out? They put one

3228
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:06,960
sign out in the woods

3229
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:12,389
in the subdivision. Nothing on Club.

3230
02:21:12,399 --> 02:21:15,920
Nothing on Saber.

3231
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:20,160
How will people know what's going on

3232
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:23,840
if they didn't notify the people?

3233
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:26,080
And when we attended the meeting, the

3234
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:29,920
zoning meeting, the people were pretty

3235
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,760
nice. The whole board sympathetic,

3236
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:38,319
but whatever the citizens brought up,

3237
02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:41,439
you don't get to see it. No record

3238
02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:45,830
whatsoever.

3239
02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:49,280
Now today we're coming over brand new

3240
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:53,270
designs

3241
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:55,760
brand new everything. We don't know

3242
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:58,080
nothing.

3243
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:01,840
How can we come up here

3244
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:03,760
and ask for something when we don't

3245
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,479
know? It was never presented to the

3246
02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:09,439
people.

3247
02:22:09,439 --> 02:22:12,399
And if you look at your own forms, we

3248
02:22:12,399 --> 02:22:15,200
all took an oath at one time and another

3249
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:18,080
to serve and protect.

3250
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:21,359
We're serving the public. The public

3251
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:26,240
don't know what R1 is, M1,

3252
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:28,560
whatever.

3253
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:30,160
They don't know what it is, what the

3254
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,240
rules are.

3255
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:36,479
My main concern between R1 and R4 is the

3256
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,280
spacing between

3257
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:41,439
the houses,

3258
02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:44,720
particularly in the backyard. R4 allows

3259
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:50,710
you to only have five feet for backyard.

3260
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,080
What are you going to do? Shake hands

3261
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:55,920
with your neighbor every morning.

3262
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,479
You know, those things need to be in

3263
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:01,280
writing.

3264
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:02,960
It was a complaint about the

3265
02:23:02,960 --> 02:23:04,640
subdivision.

3266
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:08,720
That subdivision road is only 24 ft.

3267
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:13,510
It's not wide enough, [snorts]

3268
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:16,640
you know. Now you change the rules. I

3269
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:21,120
can't identify the problems now

3270
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:24,640
on it. R4 changes. Once you take a vote

3271
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:26,800
here,

3272
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:29,760
if any changes is done, it doesn't come

3273
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:32,720
back to you.

3274
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:37,270
One person makes a decision.

3275
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,760
It's not that comes back to the board

3276
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:42,479
and the board votes on it for the

3277
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:44,000
changes.

3278
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:48,160
Your own bylaws says one individual does

3279
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:52,319
it and they will notify the board. It

3280
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:54,000
doesn't come back and start all over

3281
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,200
again for a new. And if you look at your

3282
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:03,270
paperwork,

3283
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:11,330
I'm sorry.

3284
02:24:11,340 --> 02:24:31,670
[snorts]

3285
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:34,720
Okay. If you look at your paperwork on

3286
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,040
326Z

3287
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:40,080
part 4, the township zoning commission

3288
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:42,399
and the township trustee may request

3289
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:44,399
other county, state, and federal

3290
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:47,120
agencies such as the Claremont County

3291
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:49,680
Planning Commission, county engineer,

3292
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:53,040
water and soil conser conservation,

3293
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:54,880
Claremont County Water and Sewer

3294
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:57,760
District, and Ohio PA to review and

3295
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,760
comment on submitted [snorts]

3296
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,680
plans.

3297
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:06,720
Okay. At the meeting, we asked

3298
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:11,600
for storm sewer because on Clap Pike, it

3299
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:15,280
does not work. And I guarantee you that

3300
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:18,640
you can drop a gallon of dye in front of

3301
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,720
our houses

3302
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:24,000
and you can dump water

3303
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,160
and let a storm and it ain't going

3304
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:30,596
nowhere. The storm sewers do not work at

3305
02:25:30,596 --> 02:25:35,270
[snorts] all.

3306
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:37,760
Sewer system. You got an eight 8 in

3307
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:41,349
sewer system

3308
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:44,720
on clock pipe.

3309
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:49,830
60 years old.

3310
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:53,280
You got the creek back there with two

3311
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:56,399
natural ponds. Do you have an EPA

3312
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:59,200
report? We hear a lot of reports coming

3313
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:02,160
in. I came to your office to look at

3314
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:08,150
them. I can't find them.

3315
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:11,680
It's all here. I have to see everything

3316
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:14,800
in writing. What I recommend is because

3317
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:18,560
the way the process was done, send it

3318
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:22,399
back and give opportunity to people to

3319
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:25,120
look at the new designs.

3320
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:27,600
I can't even talk about it because I

3321
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:31,439
don't know. This is totally different

3322
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:35,680
of what we saw two weeks ago.

3323
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,000
How can we make recommendations? How can

3324
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,560
we ask for stuff when we don't know?

3325
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:44,000
They didn't have no pictures of houses.

3326
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:45,840
They told us they're going to build us

3327
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:50,640
to 6,000 square foot homes on a 9,000

3328
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:55,030
square foot lot.

3329
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:56,720
Look at the

3330
02:26:56,720 --> 02:26:59,520
>> watch it on TV, on YouTube. It's too

3331
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:02,800
many unanswered questions, stuff that

3332
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:05,120
people ask for.

3333
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:06,800
You, the board, don't get to see them

3334
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:10,000
because nobody wrote it down. They

3335
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:12,240
thought it was a big joke about the

3336
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:14,960
gate, which is the dumbest thing I ever

3337
02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:20,550
heard. You're going to put a gate there?

3338
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,399
Ain't no fence. What's the sense of

3339
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:24,479
having a gate

3340
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:26,560
just to block the street? They drive

3341
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:32,230
around it.

3342
02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:35,359
It's too many unanswered questions to

3343
02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,760
the public. They're so fed up and they

3344
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:40,640
just don't trust you. That's the

3345
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,319
reality.

3346
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:44,240
I recommend

3347
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,880
send it back. Give the people an

3348
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:48,399
opportunity

3349
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:52,319
to digest it. see what they need and

3350
02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:54,960
then come back. We got plenty of time.

3351
02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:57,840
They already admitted that they won't do

3352
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:01,680
nothing till next year.

3353
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:03,120
>> Mr. Do you want me to address a few

3354
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:03,760
things you talked about?

3355
02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:04,800
>> Yes, please.

3356
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:06,479
>> Just, you know, they're not 6,000 foot

3357
02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:07,840
homes. That would be like an Indian Hill

3358
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:09,760
style home. That'd be a monster home.

3359
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:12,240
Just just not 6,000.

3360
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:15,439
Um this is the first well zoning was

3361
02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:17,280
first and then then it comes here and

3362
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:19,200
the county won't take a look at it

3363
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:22,240
unless the township says yes they they

3364
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:23,840
approving this in their that goes for

3365
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:25,600
all of Claremont County. So no matter

3366
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:26,640
where you're going to build in the

3367
02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:27,439
county

3368
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:28,640
>> if the township's not going to approve

3369
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:29,920
it and vote it down the countyy's going

3370
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:31,200
to look at it to begin with. So the

3371
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,960
first step is here that's the first step

3372
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:35,280
and then and then uh the engineer and

3373
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:36,800
the county [snorts] those folks look at

3374
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:39,920
it after that. Um just you know the uh

3375
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,399
so when when they approached the zoning

3376
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:44,479
>> um they they came with their plans and

3377
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:46,160
then they heard you know the residents

3378
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:47,920
talk and they had the zoning board's

3379
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:49,600
recommendations. That's why they changed

3380
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:52,399
it to accommodate what everyone with the

3381
02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:54,560
feedback they got to give us these plans

3382
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:55,920
that that's why they did that. So the

3383
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:57,600
gate you're talking about they did that

3384
02:28:57,600 --> 02:28:59,600
for those two guys over there for safety

3385
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,880
services but then but then they got got

3386
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:04,240
approval but they didn't need the gate.

3387
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:05,760
So the gate was actually to help for

3388
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:07,920
safety services, you know, for for that.

3389
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:09,359
And then then they did away with the

3390
02:29:09,359 --> 02:29:10,880
gate because they realized they didn't

3391
02:29:10,880 --> 02:29:13,600
need it. Uh so they actually thought the

3392
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:16,000
uh the adjacent neighborhood didn't want

3393
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:17,359
the gate at all. So that's why they put

3394
02:29:17,359 --> 02:29:18,880
an end culde-sac there instead of having

3395
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:20,880
a gate drive through. So therefore

3396
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:22,319
>> therefore the road doesn't go through

3397
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:24,399
the neighborhood to the right. Uh so

3398
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:26,000
they just put an end culde-sac there.

3399
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:27,920
was a gate, but from my

3400
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:29,120
understanding the feedback they got was

3401
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:30,479
from the residents that live in that

3402
02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:31,520
current neighborhood. They didn't want

3403
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:33,840
the gate and so they they basically cut

3404
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,280
it off. That's why that's why the plans

3405
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:38,080
are different tonight than they were. So I mean

3406
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:40,240
>> you could say you don't trust any of us

3407
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:42,399
up here on this board. But no no you say

3408
02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:43,680
you don't trust any of us. What I'm

3409
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:45,600
saying is they send the plans first to

3410
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,600
zonings. Zoning makes recommendations

3411
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:49,520
then they modify them to bring them here

3412
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:51,760
and that's what they're doing now. So I

3413
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,600
mean that so far everything they've done

3414
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:54,640
whether you like them or not is

3415
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,160
irrelevant. They've done everything

3416
02:29:56,160 --> 02:29:57,920
correctly up to this point. That makes

3417
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:59,120
sense.

3418
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,439
It's as I stated before, it's not a

3419
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:04,640
matter if they did, you know, the

3420
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:07,600
corrected problems or the issues. You

3421
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:10,720
had over 30 concerns

3422
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:14,880
at that meeting. Not a one of them made

3423
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:17,439
it to your report that you got in front

3424
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:22,080
of you. Who are we serving?

3425
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:24,720
When you met with the contractor, you

3426
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:27,600
met several times. Your guideline itself

3427
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:30,240
says that you met with a contractor

3428
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,080
several times. Okay? You send a notice

3429
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:37,200
out to the people that you're going to

3430
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:39,840
do it, but you don't give them any

3431
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:42,640
information, any kind of information of

3432
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:49,270
what their rights are.

3433
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:51,840
Nothing,

3434
02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:54,560
you know. And what happens is they say

3435
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:57,600
they attend the meeting and the I tell

3436
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:00,160
you very simple

3437
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:03,120
the only thing everybody got very clear

3438
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:07,439
if you don't follow our recommendation

3439
02:31:07,439 --> 02:31:08,960
what we're going to do we're going to

3440
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,200
strip the land

3441
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:14,080
and put houses on it.

3442
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:16,399
Well

3443
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:19,120
you don't blackmail people. He's from

3444
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,359
out of town. He's coming in here to make

3445
02:31:21,359 --> 02:31:23,520
a profit.

3446
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:25,520
There's nothing wrong with it. He has

3447
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:29,760
the rights to. It's his land.

3448
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:31,680
But if he wants something changed, he

3449
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:33,680
has to cooperate.

3450
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:36,479
You know, we ask how the houses look. We

3451
02:31:36,479 --> 02:31:39,040
didn't have no pictures

3452
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:42,800
of see what kind of house you do.

3453
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:45,680
How can we have input on it if we didn't

3454
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:48,960
know? How can we prepare for it? It's an

3455
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:53,280
unfair. Now, the bottom line is the

3456
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:56,880
reality is you can make a choice and you

3457
02:31:56,880 --> 02:32:00,240
got a hard choice to make today. Either

3458
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:02,880
send it back, vote for it, or turn it

3459
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:06,309
down.

3460
02:32:06,319 --> 02:32:08,240
You know, that's your choice. And I

3461
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,000
wouldn't want to be in your shoes right

3462
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:14,000
now. But the difference is these people

3463
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:16,880
don't know what to do next because

3464
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:19,280
you're not providing that information.

3465
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:23,200
Don't you think you should have a piece

3466
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:25,680
of paper guideline

3467
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:28,880
for every citizen to look at it says

3468
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:31,120
okay they're going to do this but I have

3469
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,840
the option of doing that

3470
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:38,080
you know to protest it or support it.

3471
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:42,710
You're leaving them out in the cold.

3472
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,760
It's very simple.

3473
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:49,680
Union tells you precinct t the last

3474
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:55,359
election for governor, you had 61 people

3475
02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:58,560
voted for the governor. Either way,

3476
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:01,359
whichever party it was, there was 601

3477
02:33:01,359 --> 02:33:03,680
people voted.

3478
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:07,280
According to your own township rules, to

3479
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:12,399
put a referendum in requires 8%

3480
02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:16,640
of that vote. That's 47 people.

3481
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:19,920
Okay? People should know that that

3482
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:23,600
that's all they have to do is get 47

3483
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:26,479
registered voters to participate to put

3484
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:28,960
it on the ballot.

3485
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,840
Now, this is where you come in. Would

3486
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:35,600
you assist the people to put it on the

3487
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:39,600
ballot if you vote yes on it so they can

3488
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:42,160
meet the the language? They got 30 days

3489
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:44,640
to do it. Would you provide that service

3490
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:50,240
to the public to put a referendum in

3491
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:52,960
>> that I think that I think that I

3492
02:33:52,960 --> 02:33:55,359
completely understand your p completely

3493
02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:57,120
understand your your your perspective in

3494
02:33:57,120 --> 02:33:58,479
question there and yeah you're

3495
02:33:58,479 --> 02:34:00,640
absolutely right that there's a legal uh

3496
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:02,800
path for referendum

3497
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:06,160
>> u but I also believe that that probably

3498
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:11,120
stretches beyond the limit of

3499
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:12,399
the government here I'm going to ask

3500
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:14,319
that Because hold on.

3501
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:15,120
>> Yeah, I understand.

3502
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:16,800
>> Is it? No, here's a question. Like

3503
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:18,880
here's the very black and white question

3504
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:21,600
with that. You be asking if township

3505
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,439
resources can support or oppose a ballot

3506
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:28,399
item. And that's a very dangerous

3507
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:31,280
slippery hill. That is an issue.

3508
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:33,597
>> No, I'm not asking for that.

3509
02:34:33,597 --> 02:34:33,680
[clears throat]

3510
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:36,640
>> I'm not asking whatsoever of that.

3511
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:40,080
>> What I'm asking for the res legal

3512
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:44,160
language that you need specifically

3513
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,920
for Union Township precinct T

3514
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:51,359
exclusively to vote on this one to

3515
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:54,080
remain R1

3516
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,960
or to change to R4.

3517
02:34:56,960 --> 02:35:00,399
That's all I'm asking is to provide the

3518
02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:03,359
proper language. clean referendum clean

3519
02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:07,040
referendum language for so yeah and also

3520
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:09,280
probably another item there is I don't

3521
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:12,880
believe it's just uh to to precinct t

3522
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:15,359
>> I think it's a you'd have to collect

3523
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:17,600
signatures

3524
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:21,840
uh for the total was it 35% in the last

3525
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:23,920
gubernatorial for the township

3526
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:25,840
>> no no no it's not the township

3527
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:27,439
>> I'm not I'm not here to legisl I'm not

3528
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:29,200
here I'm not here to litigate that I

3529
02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:29,840
just

3530
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:31,520
>> what I'm trying to say yes.

3531
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:34,000
>> I've I've looked at that previously as a

3532
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:36,399
as an issue for for residents.

3533
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:38,000
Absolutely understand

3534
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:40,240
>> and absolutely have shared that in the

3535
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:43,280
past that referendum is a right that

3536
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:46,319
residents have. Absolutely. And to make

3537
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:47,200
it clear,

3538
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:50,640
>> basically what you're trying to tell me

3539
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:54,319
if I come in as a businessman,

3540
02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:57,520
okay? And I want something from you.

3541
02:35:57,520 --> 02:35:59,439
You're going to bend over backwards like

3542
02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:01,920
you did with them. You sat down. You had

3543
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:04,240
meetings with them. You didn't charge

3544
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:06,399
them for it.

3545
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:09,760
Okay? You turn around and wrote wrote up

3546
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:12,960
all the designs and the paperwork.

3547
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:15,359
Okay? and you didn't charge him

3548
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:17,040
anything.

3549
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:20,080
And now the citizens that be paying your

3550
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:23,280
taxes, and most of them are retirees on

3551
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:26,258
a fixed income,

3552
02:36:26,258 --> 02:36:29,600
[clears throat] asking you to represent

3553
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,399
them and provide them with the necessary

3554
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:34,560
tools

3555
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:38,240
to defend what they will guarantee when

3556
02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:41,200
they purchase their properties.

3557
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:45,920
And now you want to change the rules

3558
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:49,040
and you know it and I know it. Senior

3559
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,920
citizens can't afford to fight you. The

3560
02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:54,319
only thing they can ask is put it on a

3561
02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:55,040
referendum.

3562
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:56,399
>> I'm not I'm not looking for a fight from

3563
02:36:56,399 --> 02:36:57,920
anybody and I'm not trying to change any

3564
02:36:57,920 --> 02:36:59,520
rules with anybody.

3565
02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:01,520
>> I'm not asking to change the rules. I'm

3566
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:05,120
asking you to use equal rules

3567
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:08,319
>> to both sides.

3568
02:37:08,319 --> 02:37:12,160
You leaving one side the taxpayers

3569
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:15,520
on the coal and you open the roll the

3570
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,479
carpets out on the other side. Make it

3571
02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:20,080
even.

3572
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:23,120
That's all. And I hope you consider my

3573
02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,920
position and

3574
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:27,200
>> you go from there.

3575
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:28,080
>> Thank you, Mr.

3576
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:31,040
>> Do you have any questions for me?

3577
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:33,280
>> No. No. No. Thank you. Thank you for

3578
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:36,399
your time. Appreciate you. Uh Miss Come

3579
02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:39,429
on up.

3580
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:42,399
All right, just raise your right hand

3581
02:37:42,399 --> 02:37:43,680
and then do you swear to tell the truth,

3582
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:44,880
the whole truth. Nothing but the truth.

3583
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:45,920
So hope you got God.

3584
02:37:45,920 --> 02:37:46,479
>> I do.

3585
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:47,680
>> And then just do me a favor. Say your

3586
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:49,840
name and address slowly so Mr. Campbell

3587
02:37:49,840 --> 02:37:50,319
can grab.

3588
02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:53,920
>> There's a card that I turned in.

3589
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:54,640
>> Someone has

3590
02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:55,439
>> What was your first name?

3591
02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:56,080
>> Margaret.

3592
02:37:56,080 --> 02:37:57,840
>> Got it right here. You're good. We still

3593
02:37:57,840 --> 02:37:59,040
need it for the record. Go ahead and say

3594
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,200
it. I think I just put Margaret Zidan,

3595
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:03,040
but legally it's Margaret Richardson

3596
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:07,760
Zan, 1088 Ridge Point Drive, Davia 451.

3597
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:08,720
>> Yes, ma'am.

3598
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:12,399
>> Um, this isn't really opposed or for

3599
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:13,760
more comments and questions.

3600
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:14,800
>> Yes, ma'am.

3601
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:16,399
>> Um,

3602
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:19,600
first I'm grateful for the culdeac

3603
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:21,760
because my big my big concern living on

3604
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:24,240
Ridge Point was a road coming through

3605
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:25,760
with maybe a hundred and whatever number

3606
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:28,240
more cars trying to get through that.

3607
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:31,439
>> Yeah. Um, I do want to I do want to make

3608
02:38:31,439 --> 02:38:33,840
one comment because some of you up there

3609
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,720
probably agree with me. Um, I'm still

3610
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:38,880
very active and I drive a lot. Just

3611
02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:40,479
because I'm a senior doesn't mean I

3612
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:44,465
drive any less. I just want you to know

3613
02:38:44,465 --> 02:38:45,760
[laughter]

3614
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:47,439
and my neighbors are in and out of their

3615
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:49,439
houses all the time just as often as the

3616
02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:52,560
young folks with little kids. I'm sorry.

3617
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,240
>> Sorry. I don't need my I don't need a

3618
02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:54,960
golf cup.

3619
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:56,080
>> I appreciate that.

3620
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:57,920
>> I just want you to know. Thank you.

3621
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:00,960
Okay. So the um the water issue was

3622
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:02,319
already brought up. It's on both sides

3623
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:04,640
of that culde-sac. So I think seven

3624
02:39:04,640 --> 02:39:07,359
houses is going to be a big issue um to

3625
02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:09,359
take care of that so that that doesn't

3626
02:39:09,359 --> 02:39:13,040
impact. I'm concerned that if because

3627
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:17,359
I've seen this even on cloth just across

3628
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,120
a little later, you know, just just

3629
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:21,520
across shaller

3630
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,760
um when they put in uh into a new

3631
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,359
subdivision there, they really raised

3632
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:27,920
the ground. I certainly don't want the

3633
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:31,520
ground raised in a way that's going to

3634
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:34,160
shed water into either other people's

3635
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:36,640
yards or homes or the like the Cluff

3636
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:39,280
Pike residents right now who the water

3637
02:39:39,280 --> 02:39:41,760
doesn't drain.

3638
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:45,120
I'm extremely concerned

3639
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:48,880
about another road coming off Cloth Pike

3640
02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:51,359
and the short distance of a light the

3641
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:53,359
distance of maybe a house and a half and

3642
02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:56,160
the exit we now can take to get out onto

3643
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:59,760
cloth. Maybe there's only about 10

3644
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:03,200
houses between us and the next light

3645
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:05,200
just just to kind of give you an idea.

3646
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:08,720
And somewhere in there, another

3647
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:12,000
entrance on the cluff. I I just think I

3648
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:15,280
I'm concerned. I think that's dangerous.

3649
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,120
I just think it's dangerous. If there's

3650
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:20,000
a way of doing shallor or shayaylor,

3651
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:22,080
however it's pronounced, that would make

3652
02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:24,640
a little more sense to me. It doesn't It

3653
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,200
seems to have a little more room without

3654
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:28,800
some of the difficulty that we're

3655
02:40:28,800 --> 02:40:31,439
already having. And wherever that new

3656
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:33,359
one goes in, there's not a left turn

3657
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:34,960
lane.

3658
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:38,160
Um, so if they want to turn into their

3659
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:40,160
subdivision from there, it's going to be

3660
02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:42,399
extremely difficult

3661
02:40:42,399 --> 02:40:44,560
um to do that, especially if that's the

3662
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:48,800
only way in or out for them. Um,

3663
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:51,439
so I'm not too I'm not certain. There

3664
02:40:51,439 --> 02:40:54,000
are times getting in and out is is

3665
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:57,359
really difficult and it and we really

3666
02:40:57,359 --> 02:40:59,200
depend on those lights. I think someone

3667
02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:01,760
mentioned about not having a right turn

3668
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:04,000
on the red

3669
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:07,120
there. Um because we really depend on

3670
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:09,280
those two red lights so that we can get

3671
02:41:09,280 --> 02:41:11,520
out even to make a right turn without

3672
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:13,920
having and times you're still kind of

3673
02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:16,960
gunning it a little bit currently just

3674
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:19,920
to get out safely and I know there have

3675
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:24,319
been a few accidents right there but um

3676
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:26,800
I think that's it. I didn't have major I

3677
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:28,319
somebody answered the question about the

3678
02:41:28,319 --> 02:41:30,640
housing. Um, I certainly wouldn't want

3679
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:34,720
houses lower than, you know, 350

3680
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:37,520
just because of what we just got the new

3681
02:41:37,520 --> 02:41:39,920
evaluations on what ours are.

3682
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:40,960
>> I know. I know.

3683
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:43,920
>> And so that's a pro. And then and then I

3684
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:45,439
also have concerns about they only have

3685
02:41:45,439 --> 02:41:48,479
to put five feet between houses for me.

3686
02:41:48,479 --> 02:41:50,720
That's a big concern as well.

3687
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:52,640
>> Um, that's that's not a space enough

3688
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:56,800
space between houses. It really isn't. and I

3689
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:58,880
grew up and was born and raised in

3690
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:01,680
Detroit. Um, I know what close houses

3691
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:04,319
look like and I know also what a hazard

3692
02:42:04,319 --> 02:42:07,280
it is if one of them catches fire, how

3693
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:09,680
quickly that spreads if you've only got

3694
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:13,760
five feet or less between buildings. So,

3695
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:15,359
my biggest concerns are the cluff pike

3696
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:18,319
and that that glad he mentioned the

3697
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:21,280
water and the other and that's it.

3698
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:22,720
>> Yeah, I I didn't get your last name so I

3699
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:24,160
can't but thank you, Miss Margaret.

3700
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:25,120
Appreciate you very much.

3701
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:26,800
>> Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Mer, any

3702
02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:27,040
questions?

3703
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:27,359
>> No.

3704
02:42:27,359 --> 02:42:28,080
>> Any questions,

3705
02:42:28,080 --> 02:42:28,880
>> Mr. Lo?

3706
02:42:28,880 --> 02:42:30,080
>> No. Thank you.

3707
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:32,560
>> Thank you, miss. Appreciate you.

3708
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:33,680
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to

3709
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:41,110
speak here? Please come on up, sir.

3710
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:41,840
» Perfect. Perfect.

3711
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:43,200
>> You got it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate

3712
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:43,840
you.

3713
02:42:43,840 --> 02:42:45,760
>> Then I'll swear you in.

3714
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:47,920
>> All right. Do you swear to the truth,

3715
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:48,800
the whole truth? Are they both the

3716
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:49,600
truth? So help God?

3717
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:50,640
>> I do. Great.

3718
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:53,680
>> Yours name and address for the record.

3719
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:56,160
>> My name is Doug Schaer. I live on 1060

3720
02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:59,920
Kluff Pike and um

3721
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:01,760
I have the house right there that's

3722
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:05,280
affected by all of this. The house right

3723
02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:08,080
there where the entrance is at.

3724
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:08,800
>> So I've got

3725
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:10,160
>> Oh, right. right right there.

3726
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:10,479
>> Yeah.

3727
02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:11,439
>> Okay. Right there. All right.

3728
02:43:11,439 --> 02:43:13,920
>> Yep. I've got the uh the house that is

3729
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:15,520
physically affected by all of this.

3730
02:43:15,520 --> 02:43:17,520
Yeah. Which is fine. I just want to say

3731
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:19,520
I truly support all this. I think this

3732
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:20,720
is a great

3733
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:23,359
>> great thing. And the last the May 24th

3734
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:25,359
meeting, uh, we were talking about

3735
02:43:25,359 --> 02:43:27,840
plenty of green space. The the this is

3736
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:31,600
new. The prior plans had much more green

3737
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:33,439
space, which would have been really

3738
02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:35,920
nice. Um, there's a ton of green space

3739
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:37,840
back there, but there's a ton of

3740
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:41,200
wildlife back there. Um, I'm not too

3741
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:42,399
thrilled about having a road right

3742
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:44,319
beside me, but I know what it is. It is

3743
02:43:44,319 --> 02:43:46,240
what it is. But we also have to consider

3744
02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:48,080
what what's the safety of the people

3745
02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:50,319
that are back there. Uh, we're all

3746
02:43:50,319 --> 02:43:52,319
concerned, all of us people at the

3747
02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:56,319
Bridge Point, one word, Ridge Point is

3748
02:43:56,319 --> 02:43:58,479
concerned about drainage. You I'm sure

3749
02:43:58,479 --> 02:43:59,920
you guys hear this all the time. I'm not

3750
02:43:59,920 --> 02:44:01,439
even going to bring that up anymore.

3751
02:44:01,439 --> 02:44:03,840
Drainage is an issue. But to me, the

3752
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:06,880
real issue is is the the traffic on

3753
02:44:06,880 --> 02:44:09,760
Kluff opposed to the traffic on Bach

3754
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:13,359
Bucks. It we've all driven both down

3755
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:16,319
both of them. Um during school hours,

3756
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:18,399
traffic on Kluff is insane. you can't

3757
02:44:18,399 --> 02:44:20,960
get out. If it's

3758
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:23,439
if you're if it's 7:45, good luck.

3759
02:44:23,439 --> 02:44:25,439
Somebody might be nice enough to stop

3760
02:44:25,439 --> 02:44:27,279
short of you. You've got about a

3761
02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:30,560
football field before Shaylor at my

3762
02:44:30,560 --> 02:44:32,720
house and then the new street's going to

3763
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:35,760
be right there. Um so you've got to gun

3764
02:44:35,760 --> 02:44:38,399
it and hopefully nobody's coming. I've

3765
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:39,840
almost been t-boned there plenty of

3766
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:42,640
times. I mean, dozens of times. My kids

3767
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:46,160
have also too. Um, every time, this is

3768
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:48,479
just during school hours. U when we

3769
02:44:48,479 --> 02:44:50,960
first moved there 27 years ago, it was

3770
02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:53,680
just a a stop sign. They raised up the

3771
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:57,200
land. They they took all of our shrubs

3772
02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:59,600
and trees that were blocking the view. I

3773
02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:01,600
replanted another 40 plus shrubs and

3774
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:04,479
trees out there. Now, with this new

3775
02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:06,720
layout, they're going to have to widen

3776
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:08,240
the road because people are not going to

3777
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:10,080
be able to turn in and out safely. It's

3778
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:12,880
a hazard the way it is now. with this

3779
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:15,439
plan. The only solution that I see is

3780
02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:17,200
going back to the old plan. Is it

3781
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:22,309
possible we could pull up the old plan?

3782
02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:23,840
So,

3783
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:28,160
the old plan it has you have two exits.

3784
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:30,640
If you want to go south towards 125, you

3785
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:32,640
have to turn left out of my house or the

3786
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:35,120
new subdivision.

3787
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:38,880
Good luck with the school. Like I said,

3788
02:45:38,880 --> 02:45:41,920
TW 27 years ago, Glenn and Ameilia,

3789
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,319
they're miles away. Now that school's so

3790
02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:46,560
close that we can hear the the metronome

3791
02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:48,000
clinking every time the band's playing,

3792
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,399
which is great. Fully support it. But

3793
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:52,479
the reality of it is Bach Bucks has less

3794
02:45:52,479 --> 02:45:54,800
traffic than than Cliff Pipe.

3795
02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:56,720
>> My solution is either gun it or you turn

3796
02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:58,479
right on the Shaylor. You turn right on

3797
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:00,240
the Buck Bucks and you're going past

3798
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:04,000
that subdivision anyways. So the only

3799
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,399
solution is to go through the

3800
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:08,880
subdivision and then you can turn right

3801
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:12,080
onto Bach Bucksen and go towards 125.

3802
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:14,160
And that way the the people in the new

3803
02:46:14,160 --> 02:46:16,319
subdivision, the 60 homes there will

3804
02:46:16,319 --> 02:46:18,080
have an alternative route besides

3805
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,960
turning left and towards 125. They can

3806
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:23,359
turn right out of out on a Bach Bucksen

3807
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:24,880
which has less traffic. If you're

3808
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:26,319
turning right out of that subdivision,

3809
02:46:26,319 --> 02:46:28,880
you have a quarter mile towards Shaylor.

3810
02:46:28,880 --> 02:46:30,560
You got another quarter mile before the

3811
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:32,140
next traffic light. You don't have

3812
02:46:32,140 --> 02:46:34,960
[snorts] 300 feet before the before the

3813
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:36,479
traffic lighted trailer like it is at my

3814
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,880
house. I know no matter what happens,

3815
02:46:38,880 --> 02:46:43,200
I'm still have to turn right and turn right. But I'm advocating

3816
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,200
for the new people and all the realators

3817
02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:47,120
that come in, all the contractors that

3818
02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:48,800
come in, all the minivan bombs that come

3819
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:51,600
in, they're going to need to safely pull

3820
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:53,279
out of their own subdivision. I don't

3821
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:55,600
mind it. I'm a wild man. I'll gun it and

3822
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:57,760
get it. You can ask the people that live

3823
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:01,359
there, but it's a reality of it all.

3824
02:47:01,359 --> 02:47:04,319
Um, I just don't get the understanding

3825
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:05,680
of it's going to be a slight

3826
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:08,479
inconvenience. Uh, and I understand the

3827
02:47:08,479 --> 02:47:10,160
inconvenience. All of the traffic is

3828
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:13,200
going past my house. All of it. And I've

3829
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:16,399
had our land got reduced once already.

3830
02:47:16,399 --> 02:47:17,760
It's going to end up getting reduced

3831
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:19,955
again. So, that's another inconvenience.

3832
02:47:19,955 --> 02:47:21,520
[clears throat] Whatever. Which is fine.

3833
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:24,080
Whatever. We still support it. But the

3834
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:25,439
only solution that I see for the

3835
02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:26,880
residents, the new residents for this

3836
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:28,800
new subdivision is to be able to exit on

3837
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:30,560
the back side of Bucks and to turn right

3838
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:33,840
up to 1.5. That's all that I got.

3839
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:36,000
>> Mr. Becker, any questions?

3840
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:37,920
>> Mr. Lo,

3841
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:40,240
>> questions for you guys. What are your

3842
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:41,840
thoughts between the traffic from Bach

3843
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:46,000
Boxing and Club Pike? Which one's worse?

3844
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:47,840
You don't have to even talk about it

3845
02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:49,359
because I know that there's reports and

3846
02:47:49,359 --> 02:47:52,240
this that and the other, but you don't

3847
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:53,200
have to talk about it. I just want to

3848
02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:54,080
give you something to think about,

3849
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:54,399
right?

3850
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:55,600
>> Yeah,

3851
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:58,800
>> I see it every day.

3852
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:00,160
>> It's a loaded question. I know.

3853
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:02,080
>> Uh, no. Well spoken, you know, and thank

3854
02:48:02,080 --> 02:48:03,279
you.

3855
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:06,240
>> And then, hey, hey, uh, Mr. Flatty, keep

3856
02:48:06,240 --> 02:48:08,479
the old plan handy because I'll probably

3857
02:48:08,479 --> 02:48:09,760
reference it later on tonight.

3858
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:10,800
>> Y,

3859
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:14,319
>> uh, M. Schaefer, first off,

3860
02:48:14,319 --> 02:48:16,800
>> fantastic attitude given the fact that,

3861
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:19,279
yeah, I think out of

3862
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:21,040
almost everyone, you're probably the

3863
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:23,439
most affected. Uh especially since the

3864
02:48:23,439 --> 02:48:25,200
main entrance is going right by your

3865
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:25,680
house.

3866
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:27,200
>> Yeah. And we still support the

3867
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:28,560
subdivision. We love it.

3868
02:48:28,560 --> 02:48:30,240
>> I think the homes that you guys have

3869
02:48:30,240 --> 02:48:31,600
presented, I think they're wonderful

3870
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:33,279
homes and they're somewhat affordable

3871
02:48:33,279 --> 02:48:35,279
for this economy.

3872
02:48:35,279 --> 02:48:36,640
>> Um sorry to interrupt.

3873
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:38,720
>> No, no, no. You're okay. I I just

3874
02:48:38,720 --> 02:48:42,720
appreciate your attitude. And uh do you

3875
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:44,640
hypothetically, maybe it's shot down,

3876
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:48,000
but if it is upheld to be voted for, is

3877
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:49,840
there anything you want specifically for

3878
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:51,920
them to do on your property?

3879
02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:53,439
>> Well, I've I'm already building a fence.

3880
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:55,279
I got a permit to build a fence a couple

3881
02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:56,640
months ago. I'm building shadow box

3882
02:48:56,640 --> 02:49:00,720
fence, the the good neighbor fence. Um

3883
02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:02,800
>> I'm taking I'm being proactive on this.

3884
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:05,279
Um, but if they do this other they do

3885
02:49:05,279 --> 02:49:06,720
this other subdivision where they're

3886
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:08,720
because we're bending the knee to the

3887
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:10,960
fine people at Ridge Point. I might, you

3888
02:49:10,960 --> 02:49:12,399
know, I don't know. I might just buy a

3889
02:49:12,399 --> 02:49:14,080
bunch of junkers out there and put put

3890
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:17,202
it behind my house. Why not?

3891
02:49:17,202 --> 02:49:17,359
[laughter]

3892
02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:18,160
>> Yeah,

3893
02:49:18,160 --> 02:49:19,120
>> I'm joking.

3894
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:22,441
>> No, no, I'm laughing. I'm laughing. It's We We have to try to make

3895
02:49:22,441 --> 02:49:23,760
[laughter] light of life sometimes. No,

3896
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:25,279
it's good. Okay. Um

3897
02:49:25,279 --> 02:49:26,560
>> Um, they said they're already going to

3898
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:28,240
put shrubs and trees out there. That's

3899
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:30,240
about all they can do. Um,

3900
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:31,520
>> do do you want me to ask them for

3901
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:33,200
anything else? I'll put it

3902
02:49:33,200 --> 02:49:34,720
>> if they want to pony up for some of the

3903
02:49:34,720 --> 02:49:36,319
fence. I'd be fine with that, too. But

3904
02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:38,240
and I'm installing all this. It's It's a

3905
02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:40,560
beautiful fence.

3906
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:41,760
>> More than welcome to look at it,

3907
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:43,760
whatever. But

3908
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:45,520
>> Okay, fair enough. The uh

3909
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:46,640
>> Yep. I don't have a problem with it at

3910
02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:48,479
all again, but I think it's a safety

3911
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:49,439
issue.

3912
02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:50,479
>> Yeah, I understand. Thank you. Thank

3913
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:52,640
you, sir. Appreciate you very much. Um

3914
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,240
Okay. Is there anyone else that is

3915
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:55,760
Please come on. I saw you first, sir.

3916
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:58,160
Then then I'll get you you next. Come on

3917
02:49:58,160 --> 02:50:00,240
up, sir.

3918
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:01,359
>> Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Please bring that

3919
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:02,960
up. Yeah, appreciate that. Helps out Mr.

3920
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:03,600
Campbell a lot.

3921
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:03,760
>> Okay,

3922
02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:04,960
>> then I got to write it.

3923
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:06,560
>> Oh, it's it's okay. Just just talk slow

3924
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:07,760
so Mr. Campbell can get you. Okay.

3925
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:09,200
>> Oh, talk slow. Okay. So, I tell you

3926
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:10,720
verbally. Great.

3927
02:50:10,720 --> 02:50:12,720
>> You verbally this this nice gentleman

3928
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:13,120
right here.

3929
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:14,240
>> You look quite nice.

3930
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:15,920
>> Yeah. So, you look like a nice Let me go

3931
02:50:15,920 --> 02:50:16,800
swear you.

3932
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:17,520
>> Absolutely.

3933
02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:18,640
>> Do you swear to tell the truth, the

3934
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:19,600
whole truth? Are they both the truth?

3935
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:20,240
So, be God.

3936
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:20,640
>> Yeah.

3937
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:22,640
>> Great. And then just state your state

3938
02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:23,840
your name and address for the record,

3939
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:24,640
but

3940
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:25,680
>> I know it's a long night. Everyone's got

3941
02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:26,640
the giggles.

3942
02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:28,080
>> Mr. Campbell can write it [laughter]

3943
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:28,720
down.

3944
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:32,640
>> Mr. Campbell, it's Ivon Delgado. I V A N

3945
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:36,479
D E L G A D like dog O.

3946
02:50:36,479 --> 02:50:38,160
>> Got it. And then your address, sir.

3947
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:41,200
>> 1122 Forest Run Drive. Feel free to

3948
02:50:41,200 --> 02:50:43,520
visit.

3949
02:50:43,520 --> 02:50:44,479
>> That's a joke.

3950
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:47,359
>> Yeah,

3951
02:50:47,359 --> 02:50:50,800
>> I think there have been tremendous

3952
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:51,840
solutions [clears throat] raised to the

3953
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:52,800
issues proposed. I don't want to

3954
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:54,399
reiterate those. The traffic, the

3955
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:55,760
drainage, the people whose homes are

3956
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:57,359
directly affected. I came here to be

3957
02:50:57,359 --> 02:50:59,840
mainly informed and I certainly was and

3958
02:50:59,840 --> 02:51:00,880
I think everyone's spoken very

3959
02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:02,880
eloquently on those issues. I'm in full

3960
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:04,880
support of the solution proposed the

3961
02:51:04,880 --> 02:51:06,399
entrance to Shayaylor etc. very

3962
02:51:06,399 --> 02:51:08,160
intelligent solutions. There's just one

3963
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:10,479
perspective I want to add from the point

3964
02:51:10,479 --> 02:51:14,080
of someone who owns no property. Now

3965
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:18,319
don't be uh misguided by the spring

3966
02:51:18,319 --> 02:51:22,560
chickens behind me. All right? But I

3967
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:24,319
unlike them who are concerned of their

3968
02:51:24,319 --> 02:51:26,080
property and of their existing value as

3969
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:27,760
they should be. It is their property.

3970
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:28,800
>> Sure.

3971
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:31,200
>> I myself will one day hope to be in a

3972
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:32,800
position like them where I concerned of

3973
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:35,760
my own property. Right now I rent a home

3974
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:38,880
at the address I mentioned with four

3975
02:51:38,880 --> 02:51:40,240
other people. There's five of us. And

3976
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:42,720
yes, it's legal. Five of us in one

3977
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:44,800
place.

3978
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:46,720
We've tried many, many times to buy a

3979
02:51:46,720 --> 02:51:48,160
home, but because of the prices of the

3980
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:49,600
economy, which I know the trustes can't

3981
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:51,359
control. We're outbid every time. We

3982
02:51:51,359 --> 02:51:52,479
pulled together our money. We have a

3983
02:51:52,479 --> 02:51:54,240
handsome down payment. I get a nice

3984
02:51:54,240 --> 02:51:55,439
corporate job. That's why I'm wearing

3985
02:51:55,439 --> 02:51:56,560
the shirt. It's not for you guys,

3986
02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:58,319
unfortunately.

3987
02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:01,680
But outbid cash every time. Now, this is

3988
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:03,600
not necessarily a request of a developer

3989
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:04,720
or anything like that. I understand the

3990
02:52:04,720 --> 02:52:06,080
prices were lowered. This is just a

3991
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:07,600
general sentiment that out of all the

3992
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:08,720
solutions you've heard today, I think

3993
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:10,399
all of them are valid. I just want to

3994
02:52:10,399 --> 02:52:11,840
throw in my two cents that I think one

3995
02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:13,120
solution that won't solve anything is

3996
02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:15,279
raising the prices. I know some people

3997
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:18,720
think ah they were 600,000 before

3998
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:20,399
and some as you mentioned not to make

3999
02:52:20,399 --> 02:52:21,760
your head spin some people want higher

4000
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:24,399
prices some people want lower prices.

4001
02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:26,479
If I had property in this existing area

4002
02:52:26,479 --> 02:52:28,319
perhaps I'd want higher prices but I

4003
02:52:28,319 --> 02:52:29,359
want to bring the perspective of

4004
02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:30,960
somebody who one day dreams to have

4005
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:32,960
property in this area to build a life

4006
02:52:32,960 --> 02:52:34,800
here with my friends in Union Township

4007
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:37,840
where I intend to stay.

4008
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:40,240
As you enter hypothetically the

4009
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:42,880
negotiation phase after this, the one

4010
02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:46,080
thing I request for you to weigh is of

4011
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:47,439
course the traffic, of course the

4012
02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:50,800
drainage, but raising the prices back to

4013
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:52,560
600,000

4014
02:52:52,560 --> 02:52:54,240
is not something I think would solve any

4015
02:52:54,240 --> 02:52:56,160
of the problems brought here today and

4016
02:52:56,160 --> 02:52:57,520
not something that would benefit people

4017
02:52:57,520 --> 02:52:59,600
like me and my friends who want to

4018
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:02,640
establish a future life here.

4019
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:03,600
>> That's all.

4020
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:05,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Dion. Appreciate it very

4021
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:05,840
much.

4022
02:53:05,840 --> 02:53:08,399
>> Thank you very much. eloquently spoken.

4023
02:53:08,399 --> 02:53:09,600
Thank you, Mr. Belgado.

4024
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:12,080
>> Okay, Mel, did you you want to come up?

4025
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:14,479
Okay, Mel, come on up, sir.

4026
02:53:14,479 --> 02:53:24,710
Mr. Camp, do you have Mel Mr. Dean's uh address memorized?

4027
02:53:24,720 --> 02:53:27,040
» All right, Dit. Mr. Dit, sorry. Do you

4028
02:53:27,040 --> 02:53:28,240
swear to tell truth? The whole truth. I

4029
02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:29,279
think the truth.

4030
02:53:29,279 --> 02:53:31,359
>> I do.

4031
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:34,479
>> Melvin Dit 3902 Banks Road. Yes,

4032
02:53:34,479 --> 02:53:37,600
>> sir. I've heard uh many uh things here

4033
02:53:37,600 --> 02:53:41,920
tonight and I want to just restate that

4034
02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:45,680
your first purpose here is to protect

4035
02:53:45,680 --> 02:53:47,840
the residents

4036
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:50,160
and that means in all their general

4037
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:52,640
safety, their property

4038
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:56,880
and that is your duty.

4039
02:53:56,880 --> 02:53:59,840
I disagree with uh one of the statements

4040
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:04,160
that somebody made. It's not you,

4041
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:07,600
this board here, that are trying to

4042
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,080
change the rules.

4043
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:12,880
It's the gentlemen back here that are

4044
02:54:12,880 --> 02:54:17,840
trying to change it from R1 to R4.

4045
02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:21,359
Now, sometime in the past, there's been

4046
02:54:21,359 --> 02:54:24,399
many many people that have looked over

4047
02:54:24,399 --> 02:54:27,279
and figured out how to zone these

4048
02:54:27,279 --> 02:54:30,880
various areas. Why they did that, I

4049
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:33,279
don't know, but they thought that they

4050
02:54:33,279 --> 02:54:36,880
were good. And for you to change, excuse

4051
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:40,319
me, I stated that wrong. For somebody to

4052
02:54:40,319 --> 02:54:42,399
try to change those in the middle of the

4053
02:54:42,399 --> 02:54:46,080
road is wrong. If they need to be

4054
02:54:46,080 --> 02:54:49,040
changed, they need to be changed. But

4055
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:52,479
before something like this comes up, not

4056
02:54:52,479 --> 02:54:55,600
in the middle of the game.

4057
02:54:55,600 --> 02:54:58,240
That's about what I have to say.

4058
02:54:58,240 --> 02:54:59,600
Thank you, Mr. Dwood. Appreciate you

4059
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:06,230
very much. Thank you.

4060
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:07,520
I was taking notes. Okay. Uh, is there

4061
02:55:07,520 --> 02:55:09,439
anyone else that like to speak tonight?

4062
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:12,720
Come on up, sir.

4063
02:55:12,720 --> 02:55:17,269
Oh my gosh.

4064
02:55:17,279 --> 02:55:17,840
» Howdy.

4065
02:55:17,840 --> 02:55:19,279
>> All right. Perfect. And then uh All

4066
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:20,880
right. Raise your right hand. You swear

4067
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:22,000
to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

4068
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:23,200
they both the truth. So hopey God.

4069
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:23,600
>> I do.

4070
02:55:23,600 --> 02:55:24,960
>> Great. And then just say uh your name

4071
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:26,160
and address for the record, but slowly

4072
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:27,359
so Mr. came and grabbed it.

4073
02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:32,560
>> My name is Jacob Dom. J A C O B.

4074
02:55:32,560 --> 02:55:35,520
Last name Dom. D as in dog. A as in

4075
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:40,381
apple. U is in unicorn. M as in mother.

4076
02:55:40,381 --> 02:55:40,880
[snorts]

4077
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:43,200
>> Got it. Please. Yeah.

4078
02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:46,960
>> I am the second owner of a 72year-old

4079
02:55:46,960 --> 02:55:49,680
house. I'm proud that I was able to buy

4080
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:52,720
that house. I'm 25 years old. I bought

4081
02:55:52,720 --> 02:55:55,520
that house three years ago. Most people

4082
02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:57,760
my age, most my contemporaries are not

4083
02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:00,960
capable of being able to buy a house.

4084
02:56:00,960 --> 02:56:03,120
And if I say I didn't compromise, that

4085
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:07,200
would be a lie. It is a project house as

4086
02:56:07,200 --> 02:56:09,200
an understatement. Certainly, a lot of

4087
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:11,520
work has to be done to it. That house

4088
02:56:11,520 --> 02:56:15,040
was built after the Second World War.

4089
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:18,479
It was built for a family who bought it,

4090
02:56:18,479 --> 02:56:20,640
who raised their three daughters in it,

4091
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:23,520
who lived in it, died in it, had a whole

4092
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,720
life in it. It's like a an 1100 square

4093
02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:30,479
foot house. The profound amount of what

4094
02:56:30,479 --> 02:56:32,479
is being built today, not just here, but

4095
02:56:32,479 --> 02:56:34,560
all across the country, is homes that

4096
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:36,800
are way larger than that, don't fit the

4097
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:39,760
scale of that, are much bigger, often

4098
02:56:39,760 --> 02:56:42,479
double the size, and because of that,

4099
02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:45,200
are also way more expensive relative to

4100
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:48,080
people's incomes. It is not generally

4101
02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:52,000
possible to be able to be a a father

4102
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:54,560
with a stay-at-home wife and a child

4103
02:56:54,560 --> 02:56:56,720
anymore and own a house. It's just not

4104
02:56:56,720 --> 02:56:57,920
functionally possible. You have to at

4105
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:00,960
least have a two parent income and then

4106
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:03,200
all of the uh extra problems that come

4107
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:05,200
with that like having to afford child

4108
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,600
care and plan around that and all the

4109
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:09,200
other stuff around that just to be able

4110
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:12,240
to raise a family.

4111
02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:16,720
And so my problem with this proposal

4112
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:20,560
wouldn't be that they're

4113
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:27,680
not expensive enough, but they're too expensive really. Uh, I'm very much in favor of the diversity

4114
02:57:27,680 --> 02:57:29,439
of the free hand of the market. Let

4115
02:57:29,439 --> 02:57:30,960
developers build. If developers

4116
02:57:30,960 --> 02:57:32,640
somewhere want to build expensive homes,

4117
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:33,600
let them build expensive homes. They

4118
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:34,880
want to build cheap homes. Let them

4119
02:57:34,880 --> 02:57:37,520
build cheap homes. But certainly as as a

4120
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:39,279
community, if if the goal of the

4121
02:57:39,279 --> 02:57:42,880
township is to bring in and retain the

4122
02:57:42,880 --> 02:57:45,439
youth to have a literal future because

4123
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:47,760
eventually all the older people in the

4124
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:49,600
back are going to die off and you won't

4125
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,640
have a tax base if they're all dead,

4126
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:54,640
>> right? You better be careful.

4127
02:57:54,640 --> 02:57:56,319
>> You're going to need people like me who

4128
02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:58,800
are willing to set up a set up a life

4129
02:57:58,800 --> 02:58:01,439
here and live here and pay taxes here

4130
02:58:01,439 --> 02:58:04,399
and grow the community. And it's very

4131
02:58:04,399 --> 02:58:06,880
much so impossible to do that when

4132
02:58:06,880 --> 02:58:09,359
there's nothing that you can afford. And

4133
02:58:09,359 --> 02:58:12,399
when the houses like mine that are fixer

4134
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:15,279
uppers that someone who was 96y old died

4135
02:58:15,279 --> 02:58:18,640
in are very rare to find.

4136
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:20,720
when when it's impossible to start that

4137
02:58:20,720 --> 02:58:23,200
future, it makes why would you live in

4138
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:25,200
Union Township? Why not go live

4139
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:27,200
somewhere else? Why not rent an

4140
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:29,200
apartment in downtown Cincinnati? I if

4141
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:30,640
you're going to not be able to own a

4142
02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:33,600
house anyway, like why bother trying?

4143
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:36,800
So, I think I would encourage the

4144
02:58:36,800 --> 02:58:39,520
trustees here to consider and favor

4145
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:42,240
development plans that include smaller

4146
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:44,960
lot sizes, that include lower price

4147
02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:47,520
housing, that include smaller houses.

4148
02:58:47,520 --> 02:58:50,000
And also, you have to consider when the

4149
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:52,399
only stuff being built and developed is

4150
02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:54,880
big houses on big lots, you're telling

4151
02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:56,640
people essentially, if you want to own a

4152
02:58:56,640 --> 02:58:58,960
house, you have to mow this much yard.

4153
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:00,720
If you want to own a house, you have to

4154
02:59:00,720 --> 02:59:02,800
vacuum this much floor. Some people

4155
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:04,479
would rather like to have a smaller

4156
02:59:04,479 --> 02:59:06,319
house and not have to pay the extra

4157
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:07,920
heating and cooling costs, pay the extra

4158
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,560
energy bills and do the extra

4159
02:59:10,560 --> 02:59:14,240
maintenance, but that that lower end

4160
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:16,240
diversity in the freehand of the market

4161
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:19,200
is quite lacking. And that's not just

4162
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:22,240
because of zoning restrictions, which in

4163
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:26,160
of themselves are already quite crazy

4164
02:59:26,160 --> 02:59:28,399
restrictive to be able to build smaller

4165
02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:30,640
stuff, but also because of other people

4166
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:33,120
who already own stuff who are worried

4167
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:35,439
about their own

4168
02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:38,720
housing values going not up enough and

4169
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:40,880
then usually often later complaining

4170
02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:42,720
when the precipitous increase of

4171
02:59:42,720 --> 02:59:45,600
property taxes also occurs.

4172
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:49,520
So, I would I would encourage you all to

4173
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:52,319
consider and encourage developers to

4174
02:59:52,319 --> 02:59:55,200
build more affordable homes for young

4175
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:57,760
families that can build and start a

4176
02:59:57,760 --> 03:00:00,160
future here. And maybe we can actually

4177
03:00:00,160 --> 03:00:03,279
revitalize America, one small township

4178
03:00:03,279 --> 03:00:05,120
at a time. Thank you for your time.

4179
03:00:05,120 --> 03:00:06,240
>> Thank you, Mr. Jones. Appreciate

4180
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:08,080
>> you, Jacob.

4181
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:09,920
>> Jacob, have you have you spoke have you

4182
03:00:09,920 --> 03:00:11,439
come up to this podium before for

4183
03:00:11,439 --> 03:00:13,439
something recently?

4184
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:15,040
>> I have not. This is the first time I've

4185
03:00:15,040 --> 03:00:17,439
attended a township trustee meeting, but

4186
03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:19,520
I've lived in the township for six years

4187
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:19,920
now.

4188
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:21,279
>> Okay. I thought I was recalling that

4189
03:00:21,279 --> 03:00:24,240
you've uh uh spoken spoken before.

4190
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:24,560
Anyway,

4191
03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:26,399
>> we might have met before.

4192
03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:27,840
>> Eloquently said, "Thank you, Jacob.

4193
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:30,880
Thank you. Appreciate it."

4194
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:33,200
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that's in

4195
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:35,135
opposition?

4196
03:00:35,135 --> 03:00:35,520
[clears throat]

4197
03:00:35,520 --> 03:00:38,000
>> Okay, Mr.

4198
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:40,319
builders, developers, I'll bring you

4199
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:46,309
back up and uh

4200
03:00:46,319 --> 03:00:49,279
please and uh I have sworn you both

4201
03:00:49,279 --> 03:00:50,640
already in. So, you guys are both good

4202
03:00:50,640 --> 03:00:53,040
to go and then uh you guys can tag team

4203
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:55,200
or whatever you like to do. No problem.

4204
03:00:55,200 --> 03:00:57,680
>> Wow. Well, hopefully we got it uh some

4205
03:00:57,680 --> 03:00:59,200
of it down and some of we can answer

4206
03:00:59,200 --> 03:01:02,160
some of these questions. Um I'll start

4207
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:04,720
off with um the connection to Shaylor

4208
03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:11,600
Road. Um the terrain is very steep. Uh it's the property really drops down.

4209
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:16,000
It's about 12 to 15 feet from the uh

4210
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,680
property down to Shaylor Road. It's a

4211
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:21,040
very steep uh grade to Trevors and it

4212
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:22,720
wouldn't be practical to put a road to

4213
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:26,640
Shaylor Road. Um secondly, if we did do

4214
03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:28,319
put a [snorts] road to sh if it was

4215
03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:31,359
possible to put a road to Shaylor, u the

4216
03:01:31,359 --> 03:01:33,279
creek does come I think it's on the

4217
03:01:33,279 --> 03:01:34,960
north side of Sher and it does cross

4218
03:01:34,960 --> 03:01:39,600
over that that uh that proposed street

4219
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:41,600
would be approximately the same distance

4220
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:43,840
we have it from the intersection now on

4221
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:46,319
club. It would be about the same

4222
03:01:46,319 --> 03:01:47,680
distance from the intersection from the

4223
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:49,520
light. But the main reason is not to go

4224
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:52,080
to shers is due to the steep terrain is

4225
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,720
the main reason. So that's why we uh we

4226
03:01:54,720 --> 03:01:57,279
propose not to go to uh to Shaylor Road.

4227
03:01:57,279 --> 03:02:02,080
Okay. Um I guess with Mr. Sheman uh with

4228
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:03,920
his concerns

4229
03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:07,359
um I'd like to say that um construction

4230
03:02:07,359 --> 03:02:09,680
entrance would come off of cloth and

4231
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:11,840
just as he stated we would build the

4232
03:02:11,840 --> 03:02:14,640
subdivision u you know everything would

4233
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:16,640
come in off of cloth. The only things

4234
03:02:16,640 --> 03:02:19,279
that we would do uh would be the sewer

4235
03:02:19,279 --> 03:02:21,920
and water tie in onto Ridge Point and

4236
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:24,800
then the paving and curb construction

4237
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:28,080
would be uh coming off the ridge point.

4238
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:30,640
Um but like he said, the main heavy

4239
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:32,640
lifting of the earthwork and things of

4240
03:02:32,640 --> 03:02:34,160
that nature, we would bring a

4241
03:02:34,160 --> 03:02:36,960
construction entrance in off club Pike.

4242
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:41,200
Uh his water issues. Um,

4243
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:44,319
I'd like to, um, I guess the best thing

4244
03:02:44,319 --> 03:02:46,160
to do is if I can, can I approach the

4245
03:02:46,160 --> 03:02:47,600
board and just show them our thoughts

4246
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:49,439
real quick on this on the plan? Be

4247
03:02:49,439 --> 03:02:53,670
easier to discuss.

4248
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:59,110
So,

4249
03:02:59,120 --> 03:03:00,960
» so

4250
03:03:00,960 --> 03:03:04,160
this is lot 52. Here's the call to say.

4251
03:03:04,160 --> 03:03:05,840
There's a ridge high point that comes

4252
03:03:05,840 --> 03:03:08,479
this way. Water drains. You can see the

4253
03:03:08,479 --> 03:03:10,080
finger. It drains down into here into

4254
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:12,880
this pond. This point drains this way.

4255
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:14,479
There's this finger he's talking about

4256
03:03:14,479 --> 03:03:16,800
that runs across his property. This is

4257
03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:19,680
it's a natural natural drain. All the

4258
03:03:19,680 --> 03:03:22,000
impervious area would be collected by

4259
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:24,240
the storm sewer run down this way. The

4260
03:03:24,240 --> 03:03:26,560
only thing we we can do a side ditch

4261
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:28,160
down here and we can put a catch basin

4262
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:30,319
in here, pick this up, take it to here

4263
03:03:30,319 --> 03:03:32,000
and then we would eliminate that that

4264
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:34,399
flow from going across this property. So

4265
03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:36,240
that would answer that question.

4266
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:56,790
>> Got it. Perfect. Okay.

4267
03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:00,240
Let's see. Um,

4268
03:04:00,240 --> 03:04:01,840
I'll let you talk about covenants and

4269
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:05,120
restrictions on the HOA.

4270
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:07,359
Um, I guess the only other point I'd

4271
03:04:07,359 --> 03:04:09,359
like to make is is you know, property is

4272
03:04:09,359 --> 03:04:13,439
currently zoned R1 and um, you know, the

4273
03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:15,279
property could be developed as R1.

4274
03:04:15,279 --> 03:04:17,760
Access would come could be uh, come

4275
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:19,840
right off CL. It would tie it could tie

4276
03:04:19,840 --> 03:04:24,319
into Ridge uh, Ridge Point Drive and no

4277
03:04:24,319 --> 03:04:26,160
approvals are required. There's no

4278
03:04:26,160 --> 03:04:27,920
approvals required. Only approval

4279
03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:29,680
through this board. I'm sorry. an

4280
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:31,920
approval through this board or these

4281
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:33,680
residents would now have an input on

4282
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:35,520
what kind of road would be built from

4283
03:04:35,520 --> 03:04:37,120
Cluff Pike to Ridge Point because it's

4284
03:04:37,120 --> 03:04:39,120
zoned R1. It's approved. They could a

4285
03:04:39,120 --> 03:04:41,439
developer come in tomorrow and build a

4286
03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:44,479
road from Kluff Pike to Ridge Point and

4287
03:04:44,479 --> 03:04:46,880
develop R1 lots on it and and the

4288
03:04:46,880 --> 03:04:48,640
access. So, what I'm trying to say is is

4289
03:04:48,640 --> 03:04:51,279
the access is really independent of the

4290
03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:54,960
zoning. We're asking for R4 zoning

4291
03:04:54,960 --> 03:04:57,680
to build again, as the two young

4292
03:04:57,680 --> 03:04:59,840
gentlemen say, a more affordable

4293
03:04:59,840 --> 03:05:02,000
housing. We're trying to take the

4294
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:04,960
natural character of the land and uh and

4295
03:05:04,960 --> 03:05:08,000
preserve the ponds, create create a

4296
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:09,439
community, create an environment that

4297
03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:11,840
would people want to live in, you know,

4298
03:05:11,840 --> 03:05:16,160
and so um you know, in my opinion, the

4299
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:19,920
uh the access could be that road

4300
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:22,160
connection could be built tomorrow. you

4301
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:24,960
know, so I just I just wanted to bring

4302
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:28,880
that up to your your attention.

4303
03:05:28,880 --> 03:05:32,389
Um,

4304
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:34,479
oh, with regards to the traffic impact

4305
03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:36,560
study, there was a mention of 180

4306
03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:39,520
vehicles per day or we did the traffic

4307
03:05:39,520 --> 03:05:41,040
counts are as such. The [clears throat]

4308
03:05:41,040 --> 03:05:44,399
AM peak trips are 47 and the PM peak

4309
03:05:44,399 --> 03:05:46,479
trips are 60. Those are minimal. They're

4310
03:05:46,479 --> 03:05:48,640
small amounts of traffic with relation

4311
03:05:48,640 --> 03:05:52,000
to the the overall roadway system. So, I

4312
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:53,600
just wanted to make you aware that it's

4313
03:05:53,600 --> 03:06:00,389
not 188 or or whatever was referenced in earlier.

4314
03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:04,550
Um,

4315
03:06:04,560 --> 03:06:07,439
the rear yards are 30 feet. They're not

4316
03:06:07,439 --> 03:06:09,120
five feet.

4317
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:11,520
And, uh, the other op comment I think I

4318
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:13,920
had was is there will be side

4319
03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:15,760
>> yards, but ballpark. Yeah. Sideyards.

4320
03:06:15,760 --> 03:06:17,200
Ball. Ballpark. say what's I know

4321
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:18,640
they're different because it is R4 but

4322
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:19,359
what's what's the

4323
03:06:19,359 --> 03:06:21,600
>> we're proposing 5 foot of sideyard 10 ft

4324
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:23,200
between houses and that's consistent

4325
03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:28,950
with what was done at Magnolia Trace

4326
03:06:28,960 --> 03:06:30,479
» I think unless you guys got any

4327
03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:32,240
questions for me I'll let Ed take care

4328
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:34,399
of uh some of the comments that he's

4329
03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:39,269
going to address.

4330
03:06:39,279 --> 03:06:42,720
Um, so I don't want to repeat everything

4331
03:06:42,720 --> 03:06:46,240
that Doug said, but um, when it comes to

4332
03:06:46,240 --> 03:06:48,800
the gentleman who lives at the end of

4333
03:06:48,800 --> 03:06:50,560
Ridge Point Avenue, right, Ridge Point

4334
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:53,200
Drive right now, we're not going to

4335
03:06:53,200 --> 03:06:55,120
block his driveway as mentioned. We're

4336
03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:57,359
going to be um, coming in off of Cloff

4337
03:06:57,359 --> 03:06:59,840
Pike with our construction entrance. If

4338
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:02,800
when we go to tie in that sewer, um, I

4339
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:06,000
believe that sewer is on the side of his

4340
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:10,240
driveway. Um there are ways for us to

4341
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:13,600
tie in without blocking his driveway. Um

4342
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:15,600
we can have no parking for our

4343
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:17,359
contractors on Ridge Point Drive. I I

4344
03:07:17,359 --> 03:07:20,319
know it's a public street. Um but we can

4345
03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:22,960
require that of our contractors. Um and

4346
03:07:22,960 --> 03:07:25,200
then when it comes to the covenants and

4347
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:26,960
restrictions, I guess that were filed

4348
03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:29,600
for his their neighborhood. There's no

4349
03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:31,279
HOA, but I guess they had to sign off on

4350
03:07:31,279 --> 03:07:35,359
some things. um for those seven lots.

4351
03:07:35,359 --> 03:07:37,040
We would be happy to review those

4352
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:40,399
covenants and have our homeowners sign

4353
03:07:40,399 --> 03:07:44,160
off to adhere to those covenants. um if

4354
03:07:44,160 --> 03:07:47,520
they're, you know, if if as long as it's

4355
03:07:47,520 --> 03:07:50,720
not related to um you know, some sort of

4356
03:07:50,720 --> 03:07:52,319
square footage requirement that they're

4357
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:54,880
trying to meet or a building material

4358
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:58,000
that uh Arbor Homes isn't pro proposing

4359
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,439
um as far as maintenance of their

4360
03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:00,800
property and things like that, we'd have

4361
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:03,680
no problem uh having our homeowners sign

4362
03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:06,960
off on that. Um, but other than that, I

4363
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:08,880
will let uh I'll let Ar unless you guys

4364
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:10,640
have questions. I'll let Arbor Homes

4365
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:14,080
kind of take it over with the pricing

4366
03:08:14,080 --> 03:08:15,279
and things like that.

4367
03:08:15,279 --> 03:08:16,720
>> We'll definitely have questions for

4368
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:18,000
because you all are I'm going to say you

4369
03:08:18,000 --> 03:08:19,760
all kind of one. So, I might have you

4370
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:21,680
all three come up, but yeah, please come

4371
03:08:21,680 --> 03:08:23,465
on up.

4372
03:08:23,465 --> 03:08:26,389
[clears throat]

4373
03:08:26,399 --> 03:08:27,840
» Oh, I'm sorry, gentlemen. I just did

4374
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:28,800
you, the one of you have questions for

4375
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:29,439
those guys?

4376
03:08:29,439 --> 03:08:31,040
>> Sorry. Okay, please go ahead.

4377
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:34,160
>> Yeah. Uh so we do have a a mission

4378
03:08:34,160 --> 03:08:38,000
around affordable home ownership. Um so

4379
03:08:38,000 --> 03:08:40,240
this this home series, the destination

4380
03:08:40,240 --> 03:08:42,479
series is our higherend home. We have an

4381
03:08:42,479 --> 03:08:45,040
arrival series that we came out with in

4382
03:08:45,040 --> 03:08:47,760
the last few years. Starts in the low

4383
03:08:47,760 --> 03:08:51,200
200s. Um it's pretty sweet, frankly, in

4384
03:08:51,200 --> 03:08:52,960
my view. I think the the two gentlemen

4385
03:08:52,960 --> 03:08:55,040
in the back might might be a fan of

4386
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:57,040
those kind of projects. Uh that's not

4387
03:08:57,040 --> 03:08:59,600
what we're building here. Um, once

4388
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:02,560
again, we so we're we're owned by

4389
03:09:02,560 --> 03:09:04,000
Clayton Homes, which is owned by

4390
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:06,720
Berkshire Hathway. So, we, you know, can

4391
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:08,800
borrow money at a lower rate than most

4392
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:11,279
home builders. Berkshire Hathway owns a

4393
03:09:11,279 --> 03:09:12,960
bunch of different like building

4394
03:09:12,960 --> 03:09:15,200
material companies. So, we can buy in

4395
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:16,880
bulk from them. There's many different

4396
03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:19,600
ways that essentially we can bring

4397
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:22,319
efficiency to the process and cost

4398
03:09:22,319 --> 03:09:24,960
effectiveness because of our scale that

4399
03:09:24,960 --> 03:09:27,359
allows us to build a quality home for a

4400
03:09:27,359 --> 03:09:30,160
decent price for American families and

4401
03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:33,359
that's what we're here to do. Is there

4402
03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:35,120
anything any questions you guys have

4403
03:09:35,120 --> 03:09:37,600
specifically about the homes?

4404
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:38,560
>> No.

4405
03:09:38,560 --> 03:09:39,840
>> Mr. Becker, anything?

4406
03:09:39,840 --> 03:09:41,439
>> All right, Mr. Look,

4407
03:09:41,439 --> 03:09:43,600
>> sounds very

4408
03:09:43,600 --> 03:09:47,200
>> uh I do I want I want to ask you so so

4409
03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:49,200
the number 600 was tossed out at the

4410
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:50,000
zoning case.

4411
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:50,240
>> Yeah.

4412
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:51,840
>> And tonight that number was not tossed

4413
03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:53,920
out. So what what are the prices

4414
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:55,040
ballpark of these homes?

4415
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:59,359
>> Yeah. 350 to six uh 550, excuse me. Uh

4416
03:09:59,359 --> 03:10:02,720
we have two um so Arbor's at Grandon

4417
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:05,600
Pond is a subdivision up in uh South

4418
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:09,040
Lebanon. It's our um Arbor series which

4419
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:10,720
is different than the destination but

4420
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:13,840
similar more similar than the arrival

4421
03:10:13,840 --> 03:10:16,800
and that's an average of 450 460 right

4422
03:10:16,800 --> 03:10:17,359
now.

4423
03:10:17,359 --> 03:10:19,840
>> The John Charles Estates in Forest Park

4424
03:10:19,840 --> 03:10:23,120
is averaging around 450 460. We're about

4425
03:10:23,120 --> 03:10:28,000
to open a um a first destination series

4426
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:32,319
uh community in um Lebanon proper um

4427
03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:33,520
basically next year.

4428
03:10:33,520 --> 03:10:36,720
>> Yeah. And so we don't have, you know,

4429
03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:38,960
sales figures for that product here.

4430
03:10:38,960 --> 03:10:42,399
>> Okay. The uh I'm going to have questions

4431
03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:44,240
for all three of you. So if you want all

4432
03:10:44,240 --> 03:10:45,439
three want to come up, that's fine. So

4433
03:10:45,439 --> 03:10:47,359
no, no, no. Go go go and stay put. But

4434
03:10:47,359 --> 03:10:50,880
uh Okay. So question is is uh

4435
03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:53,600
um

4436
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:56,240
Okay. If we if we leave it R1, which

4437
03:10:56,240 --> 03:10:58,880
would put you at a half acre, h how many

4438
03:10:58,880 --> 03:11:00,399
houses could you fit there? And then can

4439
03:11:00,399 --> 03:11:04,160
you just jack the price up? Honestly, I

4440
03:11:04,160 --> 03:11:05,520
couldn't tell you that right now. I'd

4441
03:11:05,520 --> 03:11:07,520
have to go back, talk to our marketing

4442
03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:10,160
team, see what the market could support.

4443
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:11,120
I'd have to talk to the engine.

4444
03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:12,160
>> Well, I'm gonna ask you to give me an

4445
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:13,600
educated guess. I'm not trying to come

4446
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:15,680
across too strong, but it's kind of now

4447
03:11:15,680 --> 03:11:17,359
or never tonight. So, so if we kept it

4448
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:18,479
the same at R1,

4449
03:11:18,479 --> 03:11:19,120
>> yeah,

4450
03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:21,600
>> u ballpark. Um, just we could do some

4451
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:23,040
math real quick. Ballpark, how many

4452
03:11:23,040 --> 03:11:24,240
homes could you

4453
03:11:24,240 --> 03:11:27,120
>> cram in there? Yeah, that would be R1.

4454
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:29,520
Uh, give you halfacre lots. And then can

4455
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:31,680
you just can you just rub the price up a

4456
03:11:31,680 --> 03:11:33,840
little bit to make up the difference?

4457
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,520
>> I could not tell you that because I

4458
03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:36,880
don't know what the R1 standards are.

4459
03:11:36,880 --> 03:11:38,720
>> Uh Mr. Dales, I do have that.

4460
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:39,279
>> Thank you.

4461
03:11:39,279 --> 03:11:41,277
>> So R1's halfacre standard. So go ahead.

4462
03:11:41,277 --> 03:11:41,840
[clears throat]

4463
03:11:41,840 --> 03:11:44,960
>> So it's a calculation if you take

4464
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:45,760
>> 51 homes.

4465
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:46,560
>> 51.

4466
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:47,439
>> Yeah.

4467
03:11:47,439 --> 03:11:49,520
>> That's flat

4468
03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:52,960
>> just taking the acreage of

4469
03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:55,840
>> 23.63 63 divided by the minimum square

4470
03:11:55,840 --> 03:11:58,880
footage of an R1 lot, which is 20,000.

4471
03:11:58,880 --> 03:12:00,160
That yields 51 homes.

4472
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:01,120
>> But they couldn't do that much because

4473
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:02,479
you have to make way for roads for

4474
03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:05,439
roads. So you're looking at 40

4475
03:12:05,439 --> 03:12:08,479
>> 45 44 45 homes after.

4476
03:12:08,479 --> 03:12:11,200
>> Is there a lot width minimum that you

4477
03:12:11,200 --> 03:12:12,080
guys?

4478
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:13,680
>> Yes. Yep. 100

4479
03:12:13,680 --> 03:12:14,640
>> 100.

4480
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:15,200
>> Okay.

4481
03:12:15,200 --> 03:12:19,359
>> Yeah. We I mean I Yeah, we don't build

4482
03:12:19,359 --> 03:12:21,680
on 100 foot wide lots. The development

4483
03:12:21,680 --> 03:12:22,640
cost is too much.

4484
03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:26,560
>> Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Okay. The uh um

4485
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:28,800
I know the terrain is not the best uh

4486
03:12:28,800 --> 03:12:31,040
but the these folks you you hear them

4487
03:12:31,040 --> 03:12:32,240
loud and clear.

4488
03:12:32,240 --> 03:12:35,120
>> Uh and actually it's really not

4489
03:12:35,120 --> 03:12:37,040
>> it's really not their concern or my

4490
03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:38,800
concern. The concern is the the

4491
03:12:38,800 --> 03:12:40,160
residents that are going to be moving

4492
03:12:40,160 --> 03:12:41,120
into there.

4493
03:12:41,120 --> 03:12:42,720
>> Uh it's going to be difficult for them

4494
03:12:42,720 --> 03:12:43,760
to get on a cloth.

4495
03:12:43,760 --> 03:12:44,080
>> Yeah.

4496
03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:45,120
>> Um

4497
03:12:45,120 --> 03:12:47,040
>> I think you can hear everyone avoids

4498
03:12:47,040 --> 03:12:50,640
cloth if we can avoid worst part is it's

4499
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:53,200
a county road. we can't do anything to

4500
03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:55,120
that road even if we wanted to. Um, and

4501
03:12:55,120 --> 03:12:56,399
really they need to put a center lane

4502
03:12:56,399 --> 03:12:57,760
there. At least put a center lane there

4503
03:12:57,760 --> 03:12:59,120
so people can turn left, get in the

4504
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:00,160
center lane, then merge over to the

4505
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,880
right. At least do that. Uh, but but

4506
03:13:02,880 --> 03:13:04,319
regardless, that's that's a that's a

4507
03:13:04,319 --> 03:13:06,080
conversation for our county, not for

4508
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:07,040
Union Township.

4509
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:11,120
>> So my question is is uh

4510
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:14,399
what can you do to make Shaylor happen

4511
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:16,399
to put put the entrance and exit there

4512
03:13:16,399 --> 03:13:17,680
and reroute this plan?

4513
03:13:17,680 --> 03:13:18,080
>> Yeah.

4514
03:13:18,080 --> 03:13:18,960
>> To make it happen.

4515
03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:20,000
>> I'm going to turn that over. That's why

4516
03:13:20,000 --> 03:13:21,680
I said maybe all three of you can all

4517
03:13:21,680 --> 03:13:22,080
come up

4518
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:24,399
>> because I

4519
03:13:24,399 --> 03:13:27,840
is there is there is there

4520
03:13:27,840 --> 03:13:30,399
>> emergency response.

4521
03:13:30,399 --> 03:13:32,399
>> All right. So appreciate it if nobody uh

4522
03:13:32,399 --> 03:13:33,520
caused any problems because obviously

4523
03:13:33,520 --> 03:13:34,960
our chief of police isn't here so you

4524
03:13:34,960 --> 03:13:37,279
know don't don't beat us up. Um but okay

4525
03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:40,640
so hey uh I can you can you um

4526
03:13:40,640 --> 03:13:42,399
>> is there any chance you can still make

4527
03:13:42,399 --> 03:13:44,720
your money do what you want to do? I

4528
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:46,960
know the train's a little rough but make

4529
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:48,800
it happen to exit out of Shaylor. Is

4530
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:50,319
that possible? And can the can the

4531
03:13:50,319 --> 03:13:51,760
township work with you folks to make

4532
03:13:51,760 --> 03:13:56,199
that happen?

4533
03:13:56,209 --> 03:13:56,880
[cough]

4534
03:13:56,880 --> 03:13:59,120
>> It's not cost effective to go that way.

4535
03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:00,160
Just

4536
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:00,880
>> okay.

4537
03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:02,560
>> The terrain's just too steep. And

4538
03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:04,800
secondly, there's a 12 in public water

4539
03:14:04,800 --> 03:14:08,319
man that runs along the up on the

4540
03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:11,120
ridgetop there. That would and require

4541
03:14:11,120 --> 03:14:13,600
more cost uh to relocate that water

4542
03:14:13,600 --> 03:14:14,080
line.

4543
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:17,680
>> Got it. Got it. Um

4544
03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:21,760
All right. So to go back to

4545
03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:23,439
in the reason why you adjusted your old

4546
03:14:23,439 --> 03:14:25,520
plans to your new plans now, is that

4547
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:28,640
because uh the folks in the neighborhood

4548
03:14:28,640 --> 03:14:30,080
basically didn't want drive-through

4549
03:14:30,080 --> 03:14:31,279
traffic? Is that is that correct?

4550
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:32,160
>> That's correct. Okay.

4551
03:14:32,160 --> 03:14:34,239
>> But we lost two lots.

4552
03:14:34,239 --> 03:14:38,239
>> Yeah. Is there is there a way?

4553
03:14:38,239 --> 03:14:39,600
All right. No, fair enough. Okay. All

4554
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:43,520
right. Got it. Um Okay. What what I went

4555
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,040
done and y'all may want to talk about

4556
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:46,560
this before we vote and give us give us

4557
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:49,439
your opinion is for the front house. So

4558
03:14:49,439 --> 03:14:51,040
Mr. Schaefer, he's the one that owns the

4559
03:14:51,040 --> 03:14:52,080
nice beautiful house in the front of

4560
03:14:52,080 --> 03:14:56,000
your house there on Kluff. Um

4561
03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:58,000
the I would like for you all to take

4562
03:14:58,000 --> 03:14:59,920
care of his fence. Okay. Can you all do

4563
03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:02,399
that?

4564
03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:04,880
>> Yes. I was actually I meant to talk

4565
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:06,720
about Mr. Schaefer when I was up here,

4566
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:07,840
but yeah, happy to work

4567
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:09,840
>> out of everyone. Now, the gentleman next

4568
03:15:09,840 --> 03:15:11,920
to lot number 52 is affected big time,

4569
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:14,160
but out of everyone, everyone is

4570
03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:16,160
entering and exiting by his house. He's

4571
03:15:16,160 --> 03:15:17,439
the one that's affected the most. And

4572
03:15:17,439 --> 03:15:18,800
honestly, I can't believe how positive

4573
03:15:18,800 --> 03:15:20,960
he was because if it was me, I would be

4574
03:15:20,960 --> 03:15:24,720
100% against him if I was him. So, um I want you to take care of his fence.

4575
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:26,800
Can you can you do that? The second part

4576
03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:29,920
is is uh

4577
03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:36,469
um

4578
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:38,239
all right here's the part where you may

4579
03:15:38,239 --> 03:15:39,200
not like it and I need you all to

4580
03:15:39,200 --> 03:15:42,880
discuss this part. So how how wide is

4581
03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:45,439
lot 52 which is the one closest to uh

4582
03:15:45,439 --> 03:15:48,720
Mr. Sheman right there at the end

4583
03:15:48,720 --> 03:15:49,760
ballpark do you have a

4584
03:15:49,760 --> 03:15:51,279
>> it's 60 feet wide.

4585
03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:54,389
>> Okay.

4586
03:15:54,399 --> 03:15:56,880
Yeah. And then how how how wide is lot

4587
03:15:56,880 --> 03:15:58,960
53, the one right next to it?

4588
03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:00,080
>> I know. I know.

4589
03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:02,720
>> If you're asking me if I can get the lot

4590
03:16:02,720 --> 03:16:05,600
next to Mr. Sheman a little wider, I I I

4591
03:16:05,600 --> 03:16:07,200
can we can do that. We can accommodate

4592
03:16:07,200 --> 03:16:08,239
that.

4593
03:16:08,239 --> 03:16:10,479
>> I mean, do you want me to go to 65 ft? I

4594
03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:12,640
can make it 65.

4595
03:16:12,640 --> 03:16:14,880
What I would do I would increase the

4596
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:17,680
setback on the culdeac a little bit

4597
03:16:17,680 --> 03:16:20,399
>> and and and was able to shift those lots

4598
03:16:20,399 --> 03:16:24,080
around and and and pull some distance

4599
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:25,359
out of the lots in the back of the

4600
03:16:25,359 --> 03:16:28,000
culdeac and make Mr. that lot next to

4601
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:29,840
Mr. Sheen wider.

4602
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:34,479
>> Well, and and uh I'm surprised that the homeowner by lot number 58's not

4603
03:16:34,479 --> 03:16:36,720
here. So, I don't want those two

4604
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:39,439
residents affected at all.

4605
03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:41,439
Yeah, he he I mean his lot's a little

4606
03:16:41,439 --> 03:16:42,880
wider now. Anyway, I can tell you how

4607
03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:44,080
wide his lot is.

4608
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:46,399
>> But I I do not want these two residents

4609
03:16:46,399 --> 03:16:48,880
affected at all. At all. Zero. None.

4610
03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:51,520
Non-negotiable. So, uh I I don't want

4611
03:16:51,520 --> 03:16:53,680
any dirt in their land. Don't affect

4612
03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:55,680
their property. Any drainage at all. No

4613
03:16:55,680 --> 03:16:57,520
dirt. I don't want it. So, and I'll tell

4614
03:16:57,520 --> 03:16:59,680
you, our our zoning inspector, people

4615
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:04,319
either love him or hate him. Uh but he he he will be on this. And so, uh,

4616
03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:05,920
um,

4617
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:08,479
can you eliminate lot number 52 and

4618
03:17:08,479 --> 03:17:10,399
still make do and only put seven homes

4619
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:14,389
or six homes around the culde-sac?

4620
03:17:14,399 --> 03:17:16,239
» I don't want to.

4621
03:17:16,239 --> 03:17:16,960
>> Yeah,

4622
03:17:16,960 --> 03:17:19,840
>> obviously. We've we've sacrificed two

4623
03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:20,560
lots.

4624
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:21,439
>> Yeah.

4625
03:17:21,439 --> 03:17:24,720
>> From our initial plan,

4626
03:17:24,720 --> 03:17:27,040
I mean, I I would prefer to keep the lot

4627
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:35,429
obviously and work with the homeowners.

4628
03:17:35,439 --> 03:17:38,630
Okay.

4629
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:42,080
» You can make it 65 ft.

4630
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:48,309
>> Okay. The uh

4631
03:17:48,319 --> 03:17:53,030
foot. Okay. The uh

4632
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:54,479
I think that's all the questions I got.

4633
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:56,319
Uh

4634
03:17:56,319 --> 03:17:57,439
Mr. Becker, you have anything for these

4635
03:17:57,439 --> 03:18:05,670
guys? Mr. Loie, anything else?

4636
03:18:05,680 --> 03:18:09,520
So, um I I like the questions you're

4637
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:11,840
asking, Mr. Dills, as far as uh you

4638
03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:13,279
know, the sacrificing of additional

4639
03:18:13,279 --> 03:18:18,800
lots. I was just pondering the previous plan and the road all the

4640
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:20,319
way through and the sacrifice of those

4641
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:21,920
two lots that you're talking about, but

4642
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:26,720
I think that on total more homeowners in

4643
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:32,000
Ridge Point would not be happy with a road going all the way through,

4644
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:33,600
but it sounds like it alleviates more

4645
03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:37,120
traffic concerns that uh Mr. Schaefer

4646
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,279
shared. So, I thought that was a pretty

4647
03:18:39,279 --> 03:18:43,600
valid point um for the traffic concerns

4648
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:46,640
that everyone has and the concern that

4649
03:18:46,640 --> 03:18:49,120
you have about eliminating two lots or

4650
03:18:49,120 --> 03:18:50,880
so and them not wanting to eliminate

4651
03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:54,000
four lots in total. So, I'm saying on

4652
03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:55,520
balance

4653
03:18:55,520 --> 03:18:58,080
a road going through and instead of

4654
03:18:58,080 --> 03:19:00,399
eliminating four that he's asking for,

4655
03:19:00,399 --> 03:19:01,840
just eliminate those two that are

4656
03:19:01,840 --> 03:19:03,920
closest to

4657
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:06,319
uh Mr. Sheetman and and the other

4658
03:19:06,319 --> 03:19:08,399
gentlemen.

4659
03:19:08,399 --> 03:19:12,160
Um, so that was just a a thought. Happy

4660
03:19:12,160 --> 03:19:15,600
to hear any anyone's comments on that. I

4661
03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:17,520
don't know if you even you crack

4662
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:20,080
tracking that you like that concept.

4663
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:30,253
>> Uh, lot 58. How how wide is that one?

4664
03:19:30,263 --> 03:19:31,680
[clears throat]

4665
03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:36,710
>> As they're looking at that,

4666
03:19:36,720 --> 03:19:38,880
it's got a radius so it's impossible.

4667
03:19:38,880 --> 03:19:42,960
It's 35 ft wide in the back and it's

4668
03:19:42,960 --> 03:19:44,960
probably if you measure it across the

4669
03:19:44,960 --> 03:19:49,349
front about 62

4670
03:19:49,359 --> 03:19:51,279
» at at the setback

4671
03:19:51,279 --> 03:19:55,279
>> it's it's 70 ft but what we do is is

4672
03:19:55,279 --> 03:19:57,520
>> the house is approximately 60 ft deep.

4673
03:19:57,520 --> 03:19:59,600
So at the rear of the house we maintain

4674
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:01,359
the minimum 60 foot. Good.

4675
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:04,239
>> So if you go 60 ft back we're we're at

4676
03:20:04,239 --> 03:20:05,120
60 ft.

4677
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:08,000
>> Okay. So, uh, again, we could work with

4678
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:12,399
the setbacks on lots 54, 55, 56, and 57.

4679
03:20:12,399 --> 03:20:13,920
Make those a little larger. Make those

4680
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:16,080
lots a little pull them in a little bit

4681
03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:19,040
and and get some additional uh space for

4682
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:22,239
lots 52 and 58 and make them 65 ft each.

4683
03:20:22,239 --> 03:20:23,279
We could do that.

4684
03:20:23,279 --> 03:20:24,640
>> Okay.

4685
03:20:24,640 --> 03:20:26,399
Fair enough. Yeah. Go ahead,

4686
03:20:26,399 --> 03:20:28,560
>> M. I mean, that's that's another that's

4687
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:30,479
another answer to the same question. So,

4688
03:20:30,479 --> 03:20:30,800
>> all right.

4689
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:34,309
>> Um,

4690
03:20:34,319 --> 03:20:36,880
» I don't have any other questions.

4691
03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:38,319
>> Just just there's a couple things from

4692
03:20:38,319 --> 03:20:39,920
the community that was was brought up.

4693
03:20:39,920 --> 03:20:42,399
Um, and that was following following the

4694
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:44,720
rules or changing the rules mid middle

4695
03:20:44,720 --> 03:20:47,554
of the game. Um,

4696
03:20:47,554 --> 03:20:48,080
[snorts]

4697
03:20:48,080 --> 03:20:51,279
Ohio Revised Code 519.12.

4698
03:20:51,279 --> 03:20:53,760
I essentially gives you guys the the

4699
03:20:53,760 --> 03:20:56,239
ability, any land owner, to amend or

4700
03:20:56,239 --> 03:20:57,680
bring forward plans like you're bringing

4701
03:20:57,680 --> 03:21:00,880
forward today. Um, so that is kind of

4702
03:21:00,880 --> 03:21:04,399
the rule book that that as land owners

4703
03:21:04,399 --> 03:21:09,200
and everybody has that right. Um,

4704
03:21:09,200 --> 03:21:11,600
>> um, has the township covered any of your

4705
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:15,279
expenses given you have we given any tax

4706
03:21:15,279 --> 03:21:16,319
abatements?

4707
03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:16,640
>> No.

4708
03:21:16,640 --> 03:21:18,880
tax baitments. We do we have we ever

4709
03:21:18,880 --> 03:21:20,000
given any tax abatements?

4710
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:20,640
>> No, I've not.

4711
03:21:20,640 --> 03:21:22,960
>> No. Okay. I just just to clear up things

4712
03:21:22,960 --> 03:21:24,479
in the community because a lot of res a

4713
03:21:24,479 --> 03:21:27,200
lot of residents rightfully so place a

4714
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:32,000
lot of frustration and anger with with taxes and and their costs and

4715
03:21:32,000 --> 03:21:35,840
associate it to poor judgment decision-m

4716
03:21:35,840 --> 03:21:39,840
that maybe goes on um that they perceive

4717
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:42,479
anyway and other communities and and and

4718
03:21:42,479 --> 03:21:45,200
so we have to try to be clear about what

4719
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:46,960
it is that we're actually doing. So no,

4720
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:49,040
we've not covered any of your costs, not

4721
03:21:49,040 --> 03:21:51,439
giving you any tax incentives. We're not

4722
03:21:51,439 --> 03:21:53,439
giving you any tax abatements.

4723
03:21:53,439 --> 03:21:54,640
>> Um,

4724
03:21:54,640 --> 03:22:00,239
>> and you're following state code and we are following state code by hearing

4725
03:22:00,239 --> 03:22:01,120
from you.

4726
03:22:01,120 --> 03:22:02,319
>> Okay, I'm good. Thank you.

4727
03:22:02,319 --> 03:22:04,319
>> Was was so the traffic count was done.

4728
03:22:04,319 --> 03:22:05,520
Was any of it done during the school

4729
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:07,359
year? Because I'll tell you this West

4730
03:22:07,359 --> 03:22:08,640
Claremont's not too far from your

4731
03:22:08,640 --> 03:22:10,160
location.

4732
03:22:10,160 --> 03:22:11,920
This is why everyone's right now it's

4733
03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:14,319
not awful on cloth. It's not great, but

4734
03:22:14,319 --> 03:22:15,920
it's not awful. But when school opens

4735
03:22:15,920 --> 03:22:18,399
up, gosh, is it next week or this week?

4736
03:22:18,399 --> 03:22:21,279
Next week. Next week.

4737
03:22:21,279 --> 03:22:23,439
We hate Kluff Pike. We hate it. We hate

4738
03:22:23,439 --> 03:22:25,439
No one wants to drive on it. So, so when

4739
03:22:25,439 --> 03:22:27,359
was the traffic study done and and was

4740
03:22:27,359 --> 03:22:29,120
the school taken into account?

4741
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:30,960
>> The school was taken into account, but I

4742
03:22:30,960 --> 03:22:32,479
cannot tell you when the traffic I was

4743
03:22:32,479 --> 03:22:33,840
not the traffic engineer for the

4744
03:22:33,840 --> 03:22:35,359
project. So, I cannot tell you when it

4745
03:22:35,359 --> 03:22:38,319
was done. I I if I had to say, I'd say

4746
03:22:38,319 --> 03:22:40,720
it was not done during during schools in

4747
03:22:40,720 --> 03:22:43,279
session.

4748
03:22:43,279 --> 03:22:45,279
>> Okay. And West Clara doesn't have busing

4749
03:22:45,279 --> 03:22:47,200
at the high school. No.

4750
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:52,080
>> So more cars if they use like a average.

4751
03:22:52,080 --> 03:22:53,600
>> Okay. Okay. Perfect. I think that's all

4752
03:22:53,600 --> 03:22:54,720
the questions that we have. Anything

4753
03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:55,920
else?

4754
03:22:55,920 --> 03:22:57,439
>> Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Thank

4755
03:22:57,439 --> 03:22:58,960
you, gentlemen, very much.

4756
03:22:58,960 --> 03:23:02,870
>> Thank you. Thanks, guys.

4757
03:23:02,880 --> 03:23:04,560
» Okay. All right. Last call. Is there

4758
03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:05,680
anyone else that like to speak on this

4759
03:23:05,680 --> 03:23:07,439
before we we discuss and vote? Okay.

4760
03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:13,990
Come on up, sir. Please. Go ahead.

4761
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:16,319
All right. Do you resto tell the truth,

4762
03:23:16,319 --> 03:23:17,600
the whole truth and about the truth? So

4763
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:18,160
hope you got it.

4764
03:23:18,160 --> 03:23:18,800
>> Yes, I do.

4765
03:23:18,800 --> 03:23:20,160
>> And then just uh clearly state your name

4766
03:23:20,160 --> 03:23:21,200
and address for the record.

4767
03:23:21,200 --> 03:23:25,040
>> Uh Chris Miller, 1072 Rid Point.

4768
03:23:25,040 --> 03:23:26,960
>> Um one thing I wanted to bring up just

4769
03:23:26,960 --> 03:23:29,600
real quickly is um we're talking about

4770
03:23:29,600 --> 03:23:32,160
how the traffic is bad on club. Um I

4771
03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:34,160
exit out of Buck Buckton, out of our

4772
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:36,560
neighborhood all the time. And it's just

4773
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:39,279
as bad during school when people it's

4774
03:23:39,279 --> 03:23:42,080
lined up all the way past Shaylor. Uh

4775
03:23:42,080 --> 03:23:43,520
people going in and out of the the

4776
03:23:43,520 --> 03:23:45,279
neighborhood. you can't make a left turn

4777
03:23:45,279 --> 03:23:47,200
out of there. Same thing with rush hour

4778
03:23:47,200 --> 03:23:50,319
in the morning. So, um, as far as the

4779
03:23:50,319 --> 03:23:52,960
traffic being, um, you know, heavier on

4780
03:23:52,960 --> 03:23:55,200
Cl or heavier on Buck Buckton, I think

4781
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:56,960
it's equal because I drive that road

4782
03:23:56,960 --> 03:24:00,640
every single day during rush hour and

4783
03:24:00,640 --> 03:24:03,439
it's extremely busy and backed up. I

4784
03:24:03,439 --> 03:24:05,439
mean, you can be backed up all the way

4785
03:24:05,439 --> 03:24:10,239
to Cleer on rush hour. Okay? So, um, I

4786
03:24:10,239 --> 03:24:11,680
just want to let you know that, you

4787
03:24:11,680 --> 03:24:14,080
know, having this plan there. I like

4788
03:24:14,080 --> 03:24:17,040
this plan with the court. You're having

4789
03:24:17,040 --> 03:24:18,800
at least seven homes there that are

4790
03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:22,000
exiting out our Buck Buckton way and the

4791
03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:23,439
rest of the people will be exiting out

4792
03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:26,000
of club. Now, it is tough both ways

4793
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:27,680
during the course of the day.

4794
03:24:27,680 --> 03:24:29,439
>> Just want to make that point, make that

4795
03:24:29,439 --> 03:24:31,279
point clear because I I know we're not

4796
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:32,880
talking about Buck Buckton much, but

4797
03:24:32,880 --> 03:24:35,200
it's just as bad on Buck Buckton during

4798
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:35,920
the school day.

4799
03:24:35,920 --> 03:24:37,600
>> Fair enough. Yeah. Appreciate you. Thank

4800
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:41,030
you, sir. Thank you.

4801
03:24:41,040 --> 03:24:43,200
Okay. Is there anyone else?

4802
03:24:43,200 --> 03:24:45,760
>> You you you want to talk or no?

4803
03:24:45,760 --> 03:24:48,960
>> Oh, okay.

4804
03:24:48,960 --> 03:24:51,680
>> No sweat. Okay.

4805
03:24:51,680 --> 03:24:53,600
>> The uh it's okay. Is there anyone else

4806
03:24:53,600 --> 03:24:56,640
before I close public hearing?

4807
03:24:56,640 --> 03:24:58,399
>> Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. No, you got to

4808
03:24:58,399 --> 03:25:03,429
come to the podium, please. Come on.

4809
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:05,359
» How can we do a traffic study and nobody

4810
03:25:05,359 --> 03:25:06,800
knows what it said?

4811
03:25:06,800 --> 03:25:08,000
>> Well, we know what it says. We just

4812
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:08,800
don't know what time of the year they

4813
03:25:08,800 --> 03:25:09,840
took it.

4814
03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:10,160
>> July.

4815
03:25:10,160 --> 03:25:10,960
>> I mean,

4816
03:25:10,960 --> 03:25:14,800
>> July this month. Okay. July. Okay.

4817
03:25:14,800 --> 03:25:17,200
>> And And I mean, really, we're asking

4818
03:25:17,200 --> 03:25:18,560
questions about the traffic study and

4819
03:25:18,560 --> 03:25:19,760
they're like, "Well, we don't know. We

4820
03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:21,840
don't know. I just think we should have

4821
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:24,640
more information on that."

4822
03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:26,880
>> No. Yeah. I I I get it. I get it. They

4823
03:25:26,880 --> 03:25:29,040
Yeah, I I understand. So, Mr. Phil, so

4824
03:25:29,040 --> 03:25:30,960
>> there's not a lot of information there.

4825
03:25:30,960 --> 03:25:33,359
>> So, with the traffic study, no one in

4826
03:25:33,359 --> 03:25:35,200
this room is a traffic engineer,

4827
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:37,279
>> right? The county engineer is the

4828
03:25:37,279 --> 03:25:39,680
traffic engineer. The county engineer

4829
03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:42,560
has looked at the traffic study. So they

4830
03:25:42,560 --> 03:25:44,160
have a certified traffic engineer that

4831
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:46,880
provides the county with a study. This

4832
03:25:46,880 --> 03:25:48,560
is how it typically goes. The county

4833
03:25:48,560 --> 03:25:49,840
looks at it. They look at the

4834
03:25:49,840 --> 03:25:52,000
assumptions. They look at the volumes.

4835
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:53,680
Sometimes when they do a traffic study,

4836
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:55,840
they will take actual numbers and then

4837
03:25:55,840 --> 03:25:57,840
they will take background traffic

4838
03:25:57,840 --> 03:26:00,239
volumes and they have those counts. They

4839
03:26:00,239 --> 03:26:02,479
pull from OKI, they pull from ODOT, they

4840
03:26:02,479 --> 03:26:05,359
pull from local county counts. And then

4841
03:26:05,359 --> 03:26:07,200
they make assumptions based on the

4842
03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:10,239
behavior of the existing traffic and

4843
03:26:10,239 --> 03:26:12,640
then based on the proposed traffic and

4844
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:14,800
then they forward that to the county

4845
03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:16,239
engineers office. County engineers

4846
03:26:16,239 --> 03:26:18,319
office looks at that and makes a

4847
03:26:18,319 --> 03:26:20,000
determination as to whether additional

4848
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:22,560
improvements are needed or not needed.

4849
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:25,200
And that usually there's a threshold

4850
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:28,640
depending on existing traffic, existing

4851
03:26:28,640 --> 03:26:31,120
subdivision u whether it makes a

4852
03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:32,880
connection or not. the traffic

4853
03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:34,399
assumptions that are that are coming

4854
03:26:34,399 --> 03:26:36,080
from the new development and that's

4855
03:26:36,080 --> 03:26:37,520
where they make a determination as to

4856
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:39,600
whether additional improvements are

4857
03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:42,800
required specific to that project.

4858
03:26:42,800 --> 03:26:44,239
>> And so they said no addition

4859
03:26:44,239 --> 03:26:46,560
>> the county said this configuration

4860
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:55,349
results in no additional improvements.

4861
03:26:55,359 --> 03:26:57,200
» Hold up. Mr. M, you got to come up here

4862
03:26:57,200 --> 03:26:58,640
and talk if you want to talk.

4863
03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:00,720
>> It's okay. How come there was never a

4864
03:27:00,720 --> 03:27:01,840
counter on the road?

4865
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:03,760
>> Well, so a couple of reasons. So the

4866
03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:07,279
county already has counts related to

4867
03:27:07,279 --> 03:27:09,680
Bach Buckton and Shaylor because they've

4868
03:27:09,680 --> 03:27:12,479
had to study all this area for the Bach

4869
03:27:12,479 --> 03:27:14,640
Bucks and Shaylor roundabout projects

4870
03:27:14,640 --> 03:27:17,680
which are supposed to hopefully let

4871
03:27:17,680 --> 03:27:20,000
in 27. And I think there's been public

4872
03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:22,640
comment period. They've had that open

4873
03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:24,000
for public comment. I know the county

4874
03:27:24,000 --> 03:27:26,399
asked us about some fire and AMS

4875
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:28,319
concerns about that project, about

4876
03:27:28,319 --> 03:27:30,640
access and whatever. So, they're working

4877
03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:32,640
through that federally prescribed

4878
03:27:32,640 --> 03:27:35,439
process. So, the county has counts. They

4879
03:27:35,439 --> 03:27:37,200
have existing traffic counts. They take

4880
03:27:37,200 --> 03:27:38,880
traffic counts throughout the year. When

4881
03:27:38,880 --> 03:27:40,800
I work for the city of Leland, they had

4882
03:27:40,800 --> 03:27:41,600
traffic counts,

4883
03:27:41,600 --> 03:27:42,880
>> but not on that stretch.

4884
03:27:42,880 --> 03:27:44,800
>> No, no, no. They have traffic counts on

4885
03:27:44,800 --> 03:27:47,520
all parts of the road. They have a very

4886
03:27:47,520 --> 03:27:51,359
sophisticated data set. The county looks

4887
03:27:51,359 --> 03:27:54,160
at traffic all the time. They count it.

4888
03:27:54,160 --> 03:27:57,600
OKI counts it. ODOT counts it. County

4889
03:27:57,600 --> 03:28:00,960
engineer counts it. The And the other

4890
03:28:00,960 --> 03:28:02,239
thing is the counters. Are you thinking

4891
03:28:02,239 --> 03:28:03,279
about the little strips?

4892
03:28:03,279 --> 03:28:03,680
>> Yeah.

4893
03:28:03,680 --> 03:28:05,279
>> They don't use those anymore. They use

4894
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:07,063
camera counters. They're like laser

4895
03:28:07,063 --> 03:28:07,439
[clears throat] beam

4896
03:28:07,439 --> 03:28:08,640
>> counters cameras.

4897
03:28:08,640 --> 03:28:10,319
>> You wouldn't see them. They're very

4898
03:28:10,319 --> 03:28:11,359
small.

4899
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:12,960
>> Very small.

4900
03:28:12,960 --> 03:28:15,120
>> They don't use Those are old school. I

4901
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:16,800
I'm with you. When I see those, those

4902
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:18,560
are old traffic counters. I tell you

4903
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:18,800
what,

4904
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:20,479
>> the strips,

4905
03:28:20,479 --> 03:28:22,319
>> my grandparents have owned that house

4906
03:28:22,319 --> 03:28:26,080
that I live in since I was 14 years old.

4907
03:28:26,080 --> 03:28:28,960
I sit on that porch.

4908
03:28:28,960 --> 03:28:31,760
Well, pardon me, since I was 12.

4909
03:28:31,760 --> 03:28:35,680
I'm 64 years old. I can do any traffic

4910
03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:39,359
study better than any of you.

4911
03:28:39,359 --> 03:28:42,399
[clears throat]

4912
03:28:42,399 --> 03:28:45,840
And that is the most dangerous

4913
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:50,870
stretch of road I've ever seen.

4914
03:28:50,880 --> 03:28:54,229
And

4915
03:28:54,239 --> 03:28:57,760
uh I've never seen a camera. I have

4916
03:28:57,760 --> 03:28:59,600
never seen a leprechaun out there

4917
03:28:59,600 --> 03:29:01,279
counting.

4918
03:29:01,279 --> 03:29:02,960
Okay.

4919
03:29:02,960 --> 03:29:07,200
And looking up at this, you only got one

4920
03:29:07,200 --> 03:29:09,600
way in off cluff,

4921
03:29:09,600 --> 03:29:16,080
no way out. you let a uh a gas leak or

4922
03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:18,640
something and that subdivision needs to

4923
03:29:18,640 --> 03:29:22,960
get out of there quickly. Best of luck.

4924
03:29:22,960 --> 03:29:26,790
There's no way to evacuate.

4925
03:29:26,800 --> 03:29:29,680
And he says, "Oh, I've got to cut 12

4926
03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:31,200
feet.

4927
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:34,880
Uh shave it down." I thought he was an

4928
03:29:34,880 --> 03:29:37,439
engineer.

4929
03:29:37,439 --> 03:29:38,720
>> I'm not being sarcastic.

4930
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:41,520
>> It's okay. That's okay. He's got 12 feet

4931
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:43,439
to cut down

4932
03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:46,399
>> to go on Shaylor. I mean, I'm getting a

4933
03:29:46,399 --> 03:29:48,160
little upset here.

4934
03:29:48,160 --> 03:29:51,279
>> I got 11 grandb babies.

4935
03:29:51,279 --> 03:29:54,080
We got people on that street.

4936
03:29:54,080 --> 03:29:57,120
That's dangerous.

4937
03:29:57,120 --> 03:29:58,720
Chief,

4938
03:29:58,720 --> 03:30:01,920
I hope you get two two officers out

4939
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:03,840
there like you did at Glenn Esby High

4940
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:07,750
School because we need [clears throat]

4941
03:30:07,760 --> 03:30:12,950
» Okay. Is there any other discuss

4942
03:30:12,960 --> 03:30:16,790
right

4943
03:30:16,800 --> 03:30:20,239
now people with this being 350 ft from

4944
03:30:20,239 --> 03:30:21,920
the traffic light they're blasting

4945
03:30:21,920 --> 03:30:23,200
through there they're trying to make the

4946
03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:24,720
traffic light

4947
03:30:24,720 --> 03:30:27,279
>> in both directions 50 55 it's like

4948
03:30:27,279 --> 03:30:28,960
pulling out on a 32

4949
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:29,760
>> when

4950
03:30:29,760 --> 03:30:32,800
>> so you're exactly right if the speed

4951
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:35,520
lower a little bit

4952
03:30:35,520 --> 03:30:46,070
as dangerous

4953
03:30:46,080 --> 03:30:49,600
Okay. All right. Is there anyone else?

4954
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:50,880
Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. All

4955
03:30:50,880 --> 03:30:58,319
right. The uh Hold on. I lost my agenda. All right. There we go. Okay.

4956
03:30:58,319 --> 03:31:01,359
Uh, gentlemen, entertain a motion to

4957
03:31:01,359 --> 03:31:03,439
close the public hearing for zoning case

4958
03:31:03,439 --> 03:31:04,960
3-26-Z

4959
03:31:04,960 --> 03:31:05,680
and Zulu.

4960
03:31:05,680 --> 03:31:06,479
>> So moved.

4961
03:31:06,479 --> 03:31:07,359
>> Second.

4962
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:09,040
>> Mr. Campbell, roll call.

4963
03:31:09,040 --> 03:31:09,920
>> Mr. Becker,

4964
03:31:09,920 --> 03:31:11,200
>> yes. Mr. Lo,

4965
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:11,680
>> yes.

4966
03:31:11,680 --> 03:31:12,479
>> Mr. Dills,

4967
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:13,200
>> yes.

4968
03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:16,399
>> Public hearing session is closed at 9:31

4969
03:31:16,399 --> 03:31:16,960
p.m.

4970
03:31:16,960 --> 03:31:19,600
>> All right. Uh, gentlemen, is now time

4971
03:31:19,600 --> 03:31:21,760
for trustee discussion. Uh, vice

4972
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:27,990
chairman, sir.

4973
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:28,880
Mr. Chairman, I

4974
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:34,630
>> already know.

4975
03:31:34,640 --> 03:31:37,120
» He knows what I'm going to say.

4976
03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:38,640
>> I guess I'm a broken record. I've been

4977
03:31:38,640 --> 03:31:42,950
saying it for five years.

4978
03:31:42,960 --> 03:31:44,880
I have

4979
03:31:44,880 --> 03:31:49,520
never voted for a housing development.

4980
03:31:49,520 --> 03:31:51,920
And there's a couple of reasons for

4981
03:31:51,920 --> 03:31:54,960
that. One of which a lot of what we

4982
03:31:54,960 --> 03:31:57,760
heard tonight, a lot of the grievances,

4983
03:31:57,760 --> 03:32:02,319
it's all part of it. Part of it also

4984
03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:07,120
is I value our zoning that is er that's

4985
03:32:07,120 --> 03:32:09,840
um estate residential.

4986
03:32:09,840 --> 03:32:12,239
Was that minimum two acres? I think

4987
03:32:12,239 --> 03:32:16,239
estate residential and R1

4988
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:21,040
and I don't want to see that diminished.

4989
03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:24,399
So unless there's a compelling reason,

4990
03:32:24,399 --> 03:32:26,560
I've never said no never to a zoning

4991
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:28,960
change, I've never said no never to a

4992
03:32:28,960 --> 03:32:31,760
housing development.

4993
03:32:31,760 --> 03:32:33,120
But in my mind, there's got to be a

4994
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:36,880
compelling reason for me, I guess, to go

4995
03:32:36,880 --> 03:32:39,920
against those values that I hold, the

4996
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:43,040
values many of you all hold, and the

4997
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:44,800
platform I ran on when I ran for this

4998
03:32:44,800 --> 03:32:48,160
job five years ago.

4999
03:32:48,160 --> 03:32:50,479
>> Beautiful. Um

5000
03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:51,279
what's that?

5001
03:32:51,279 --> 03:32:52,880
>> Nothing. Go ahead.

5002
03:32:52,880 --> 03:32:55,439
>> So um you know with that, Mr. Chairman,

5003
03:32:55,439 --> 03:32:58,479
I I intend to vote no on this.

5004
03:32:58,479 --> 03:33:00,960
>> Mr. Lucer,

5005
03:33:00,960 --> 03:33:05,520
um heard a lot of uh

5006
03:33:05,520 --> 03:33:08,000
eloquent speakers. Uh tonight I've got

5007
03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:10,880
four pages of notes.

5008
03:33:10,880 --> 03:33:13,840
um try to balance

5009
03:33:13,840 --> 03:33:17,680
uh the state code

5010
03:33:17,680 --> 03:33:20,720
of what land owners are able to do with

5011
03:33:20,720 --> 03:33:22,560
their land

5012
03:33:22,560 --> 03:33:26,239
and bring that forward. Um

5013
03:33:26,239 --> 03:33:30,000
you know, I know we've been asked to

5014
03:33:30,000 --> 03:33:33,520
basically deny based off of um the

5015
03:33:33,520 --> 03:33:35,840
pricing. It's nothing we can set. We

5016
03:33:35,840 --> 03:33:37,920
can't determine the pricing. Uh we can't

5017
03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:39,840
pick and choose.

5018
03:33:39,840 --> 03:33:44,000
uh winners and losers. Um I believe in

5019
03:33:44,000 --> 03:33:48,160
American values and uh free market and

5020
03:33:48,160 --> 03:33:49,760
uh you know what I what I see what's

5021
03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:52,560
presented before us is

5022
03:33:52,560 --> 03:33:55,600
um a land owner choosing to do with

5023
03:33:55,600 --> 03:33:57,520
their land uh and trying to work with

5024
03:33:57,520 --> 03:34:04,239
the community uh where they can um where community members live on their

5025
03:34:04,239 --> 03:34:09,120
land. And uh we've seen great um I think

5026
03:34:09,120 --> 03:34:11,680
interaction commentary by like Mr.

5027
03:34:11,680 --> 03:34:16,319
Schaefer uh very very impacted uh by

5028
03:34:16,319 --> 03:34:22,000
this right there on Cliff Pike. Um

5029
03:34:22,000 --> 03:34:24,960
and the developer

5030
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:27,520
wanting to work with with Mr. Schaefer

5031
03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:30,319
uh for that screenage and and and and

5032
03:34:30,319 --> 03:34:34,399
the fencing. Um and uh you know as Mr.

5033
03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:37,120
right eloquently spoke,

5034
03:34:37,120 --> 03:34:39,120
uh, we are not the traffic engineers. We

5035
03:34:39,120 --> 03:34:40,960
don't have the engineering authority.

5036
03:34:40,960 --> 03:34:44,720
That is not something that is in our

5037
03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:46,720
jurisdiction and power to to be able to

5038
03:34:46,720 --> 03:34:56,640
do. Um, other residents here uh may agree or disagree with perspectives,

5039
03:34:56,640 --> 03:34:59,359
you know, shared tonight and absolutely

5040
03:34:59,359 --> 03:35:02,560
right. there is a statutory

5041
03:35:02,560 --> 03:35:06,000
uh pathway to to to follow to referendum

5042
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:08,319
any type of vote and and hear from the

5043
03:35:08,319 --> 03:35:10,960
community and I'm all for that. Uh it's

5044
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:14,560
exactly why I was elected and am in in

5045
03:35:14,560 --> 03:35:17,200
the position to try to balance the fine

5046
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:19,840
art of governing which is not just black

5047
03:35:19,840 --> 03:35:21,680
and white and you don't get to just be

5048
03:35:21,680 --> 03:35:23,040
black and white when you're trying to

5049
03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:29,439
govern. Um it is um complex at times. Uh

5050
03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:33,200
I wish it could just be very simple. Um

5051
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:35,840
same rate I wouldn't want to just give

5052
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:39,359
the land owner a very easy way to come

5053
03:35:39,359 --> 03:35:44,000
sue the township and earn costs. That is

5054
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:48,800
also right also taking care of being

5055
03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:51,040
conservative values for you the

5056
03:35:51,040 --> 03:35:54,319
residents and where time and resources

5057
03:35:54,319 --> 03:36:00,479
go. Um so with that it's pretty clear uh

5058
03:36:00,479 --> 03:36:03,680
that there's a plan that is

5059
03:36:03,680 --> 03:36:07,200
ready to move forward uh tonight um that

5060
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:09,680
has been presented. So I think that's

5061
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:13,520
last of my my my comment uh to it.

5062
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:16,560
>> Mr. Dills. All right. So

5063
03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:19,279
Mr. Mr. Mayor, one one question is uh so

5064
03:36:19,279 --> 03:36:20,479
Bridge Ridge Point Drive that that

5065
03:36:20,479 --> 03:36:21,600
neighborhood right there and then all

5066
03:36:21,600 --> 03:36:25,840
the houses to the south of that picture

5067
03:36:25,840 --> 03:36:27,600
based off what you said you would you

5068
03:36:27,600 --> 03:36:30,239
would vote that down as well. So half

5069
03:36:30,239 --> 03:36:31,680
these folks in this room wouldn't have a

5070
03:36:31,680 --> 03:36:33,680
home if you were their trustee because

5071
03:36:33,680 --> 03:36:36,479
those those uh lot sizes are the same

5072
03:36:36,479 --> 03:36:38,080
size and actually they're a little bit

5073
03:36:38,080 --> 03:36:40,080
smaller than the culde-sac. Now, the

5074
03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:41,760
rest of the homes are a little bit

5075
03:36:41,760 --> 03:36:43,520
equal, maybe a little bit more, but the

5076
03:36:43,520 --> 03:36:44,960
culde-sac ones are actually a little bit

5077
03:36:44,960 --> 03:36:46,720
more than the rest on Rich Point as far

5078
03:36:46,720 --> 03:36:49,680
as uh land area. So, you would have

5079
03:36:49,680 --> 03:36:51,760
voted all those down to the right to the

5080
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:53,200
south based off your logic.

5081
03:36:53,200 --> 03:36:54,160
>> Yeah, they would have vote they would

5082
03:36:54,160 --> 03:36:55,840
have built it on R1 instead.

5083
03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:57,840
>> True. Yeah. Which would they have been

5084
03:36:57,840 --> 03:36:59,359
able to afford it at the time based off

5085
03:36:59,359 --> 03:37:03,200
that because obviously more land, more cost. So, um

5086
03:37:03,200 --> 03:37:05,439
>> more parking on the street.

5087
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:11,200
>> That's true. Yeah, that's true. the uh so I'll say uh I've said this uh

5088
03:37:11,200 --> 03:37:12,479
almost every time we have a housing

5089
03:37:12,479 --> 03:37:14,399
development come in whether it be multif

5090
03:37:14,399 --> 03:37:15,920
family or in this case single family

5091
03:37:15,920 --> 03:37:18,560
residential um uh one thing that when it

5092
03:37:18,560 --> 03:37:21,040
comes to housing uh Mr. Becker and I and

5093
03:37:21,040 --> 03:37:23,279
of course Mr. We we all agree that we we

5094
03:37:23,279 --> 03:37:27,439
do not like multif family. We don't we don't unless it's a a mixeduse

5095
03:37:27,439 --> 03:37:29,040
and there's only one apartment that I've

5096
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:30,640
voted yes on. It was because it was

5097
03:37:30,640 --> 03:37:32,800
mixed use meaning first floor retail and

5098
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:35,040
second floor apartment buildings. Um

5099
03:37:35,040 --> 03:37:36,399
that's the only way I would ever be

5100
03:37:36,399 --> 03:37:38,560
considerate uh right now at this point.

5101
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:42,000
And so um you know when we got elected

5102
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:44,000
residents said we need more middle class

5103
03:37:44,000 --> 03:37:45,600
single family residential homes. That

5104
03:37:45,600 --> 03:37:47,920
that's been clear. Um and it sounds like

5105
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:49,040
there isn't really that many people

5106
03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:50,560
against this development. It's just the

5107
03:37:50,560 --> 03:37:52,160
fact that it exits out on Kluff Pike,

5108
03:37:52,160 --> 03:37:53,920
which I happen to agree with everyone

5109
03:37:53,920 --> 03:37:55,520
because I drive Kluff Pike twice every

5110
03:37:55,520 --> 03:38:01,510
day myself. Uh so, um

5111
03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:04,319
yeah, and it's unfortunate because with

5112
03:38:04,319 --> 03:38:07,439
pre precoid, uh 200 to 250,000 was your

5113
03:38:07,439 --> 03:38:09,200
average middle class nice house and that

5114
03:38:09,200 --> 03:38:12,720
250,000 has now become gosh 450 500,000.

5115
03:38:12,720 --> 03:38:15,680
So, um but this isn't going to attract

5116
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:17,840
riffraff. the I mean, you're not going

5117
03:38:17,840 --> 03:38:20,640
to buy a $500,000 house and cause

5118
03:38:20,640 --> 03:38:22,239
problems in the township. You're just

5119
03:38:22,239 --> 03:38:25,120
not. This isn't affordable housing, uh,

5120
03:38:25,120 --> 03:38:28,239
meaning section 8. Uh, it's it's it's,

5121
03:38:28,239 --> 03:38:31,439
uh, it's a good development. I I do hate

5122
03:38:31,439 --> 03:38:32,880
the fact that it's on cluff. I hate

5123
03:38:32,880 --> 03:38:34,640
that. Hate it. Capital H. Hate it. I

5124
03:38:34,640 --> 03:38:37,680
don't like it at all. Um, but it is a

5125
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:40,239
good development. Uh, so, uh, gentlemen,

5126
03:38:40,239 --> 03:38:41,760
I both want you to hear this. As far as

5127
03:38:41,760 --> 03:38:43,279
this, uh, I'm going to need, uh, I'm

5128
03:38:43,279 --> 03:38:44,560
going to put in here my contingencies

5129
03:38:44,560 --> 03:38:47,200
that Lot 52 and lot 58 need to be 65 ft

5130
03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:49,040
wide. I'm also going to include that,

5131
03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:50,720
uh, they need to pay for Mr. Schaer's

5132
03:38:50,720 --> 03:38:53,040
fence, uh, incomplete, uh, completely.

5133
03:38:53,040 --> 03:38:55,120
So, just so you know, doesn't affect

5134
03:38:55,120 --> 03:38:56,880
you, Mr. Becker, but just, so, you know,

5135
03:38:56,880 --> 03:38:57,920
um, [clears throat]

5136
03:38:57,920 --> 03:38:59,520
>> well, the motion would

5137
03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:01,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Say it again.

5138
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:08,469
>> When you wrap up one comment question,

5139
03:39:08,479 --> 03:39:11,680
» Yeah. That's all I got.

5140
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:14,000
Mr. Wright, is there a pathway for the

5141
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:15,920
developer to pursue a special assessment

5142
03:39:15,920 --> 03:39:18,560
on these homes? I don't know if it would

5143
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:20,239
generate enough for traffic improvements

5144
03:39:20,239 --> 03:39:22,800
on Cliff Pike, but

5145
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:25,520
so the answer is maybe. Um, you know, it

5146
03:39:25,520 --> 03:39:28,319
all has to do with the amount of the

5147
03:39:28,319 --> 03:39:31,120
construction cost and I know there have

5148
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:32,720
been other neighborhoods where a special

5149
03:39:32,720 --> 03:39:34,080
assessment district has been formed.

5150
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:36,239
Again, for the benefit of the audience,

5151
03:39:36,239 --> 03:39:38,080
a special assessment district means the

5152
03:39:38,080 --> 03:39:39,600
people in the development are paying

5153
03:39:39,600 --> 03:39:42,560
extra. They're paying more into a

5154
03:39:42,560 --> 03:39:44,800
special assessment district over a

5155
03:39:44,800 --> 03:39:47,040
period of time to either backs stop

5156
03:39:47,040 --> 03:39:50,000
bonds or reimburse expenditures or to

5157
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:52,800
provide funding for future improvements.

5158
03:39:52,800 --> 03:39:57,359
And so there is that mechanism. Um,

5159
03:39:57,359 --> 03:39:59,120
>> do we do that before and after? It's an

5160
03:39:59,120 --> 03:39:59,920
after the fact.

5161
03:39:59,920 --> 03:40:03,040
>> It's after the fact. It's it would not

5162
03:40:03,040 --> 03:40:06,319
be really germanine issue, but there are

5163
03:40:06,319 --> 03:40:08,960
>> there are avenues if if the developer

5164
03:40:08,960 --> 03:40:10,479
wanted to do that.

5165
03:40:10,479 --> 03:40:11,760
>> Um, okay.

5166
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:13,680
>> Road improvements are very expensive. I

5167
03:40:13,680 --> 03:40:15,760
will just tell you they're

5168
03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:17,520
>> I I

5169
03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:19,040
don't remember the number for the lock

5170
03:40:19,040 --> 03:40:20,160
bucks and roundabouts, but they're

5171
03:40:20,160 --> 03:40:21,920
creeping up on $12 million.

5172
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:25,120
>> So, that gives you an idea. So,

5173
03:40:25,120 --> 03:40:27,200
um, what I will say before we wrap up

5174
03:40:27,200 --> 03:40:30,239
is, uh, I I don't want one single

5175
03:40:30,239 --> 03:40:31,920
complaint from the two neighbors living

5176
03:40:31,920 --> 03:40:34,960
next to lot number 58, lot number 52,

5177
03:40:34,960 --> 03:40:37,520
uh, at all. Uh, I appreciate you putting

5178
03:40:37,520 --> 03:40:39,120
the culde-sac in. I think that appease

5179
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:42,960
the folks at Ridge Point. Um,

5180
03:40:42,960 --> 03:40:46,080
yeah. Okay, we good. Okay. All right,

5181
03:40:46,080 --> 03:40:47,200
gentlemen. I'll entertain a motion for

5182
03:40:47,200 --> 03:40:48,640
the approval of Union Township zoning

5183
03:40:48,640 --> 03:40:52,080
case 3-26-Z is in Zulu uh with

5184
03:40:52,080 --> 03:40:54,880
modifications as recommended including

5185
03:40:54,880 --> 03:40:58,479
uh lot 52 lot 58 uh 65 ft wide and a

5186
03:40:58,479 --> 03:41:00,960
fence fully paid for for Mr. Schaefer.

5187
03:41:00,960 --> 03:41:01,600
>> So moved.

5188
03:41:01,600 --> 03:41:02,160
>> Second.

5189
03:41:02,160 --> 03:41:04,160
>> Uh any further discussion? Mr. Campbell.

5190
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:04,880
Roll call.

5191
03:41:04,880 --> 03:41:05,600
>> Mr. Becker.

5192
03:41:05,600 --> 03:41:06,640
>> No.

5193
03:41:06,640 --> 03:41:07,600
>> Mr. Log.

5194
03:41:07,600 --> 03:41:08,479
>> Yes.

5195
03:41:08,479 --> 03:41:09,279
>> Mr. Dills.

5196
03:41:09,279 --> 03:41:09,840
>> Yes.

5197
03:41:09,840 --> 03:41:11,200
>> Motion carries.

5198
03:41:11,200 --> 03:41:13,760
>> Okay. Uh moving on to our second zoning

5199
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:16,560
case of the night. Uh, it'll be Union

5200
03:41:16,560 --> 03:41:19,439
Township zoning case 4-26-ZOU

5201
03:41:19,439 --> 03:41:21,920
and uh, Mr. Flowy, you're up. Go ahead.

5202
03:41:21,920 --> 03:41:23,439
Oh, we'll wait to wait till they folks

5203
03:41:23,439 --> 03:41:25,518
exit.

5204
03:41:25,518 --> 03:41:30,710
[clears throat]

5205
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:33,200
» Okay,

5206
03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:34,800
get ready for round two.

5207
03:41:34,800 --> 03:41:35,920
>> Okay, I think that's good. Okay, go

5208
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:36,800
ahead. Go ahead, Mr.

5209
03:41:36,800 --> 03:41:39,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Dills. This is for a

5210
03:41:39,279 --> 03:41:43,120
zoning map amendment for 4-26-Z.

5211
03:41:43,120 --> 03:41:45,600
It's called Bishop's Grove subdivision.

5212
03:41:45,600 --> 03:41:47,040
The applicant has submitted an

5213
03:41:47,040 --> 03:41:49,040
application requesting that two parcels

5214
03:41:49,040 --> 03:41:52,960
totaling 4.77 acres be reszoned from R2

5215
03:41:52,960 --> 03:41:55,040
single family detach residential

5216
03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:57,520
district to the R4

5217
03:41:57,520 --> 03:42:00,080
family variable residential district in

5218
03:42:00,080 --> 03:42:02,160
order to allow for the proposed concept

5219
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:04,160
plan subdivision development consisting

5220
03:42:04,160 --> 03:42:07,760
of 18 lots for single family dwelling

5221
03:42:07,760 --> 03:42:09,920
units, landscaping elements, greening,

5222
03:42:09,920 --> 03:42:13,040
entry monument signage, and open spaces.

5223
03:42:13,040 --> 03:42:14,560
Some land use and zoning

5224
03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:16,880
characteristics. The current land uses

5225
03:42:16,880 --> 03:42:19,520
in the vicinity are are mostly

5226
03:42:19,520 --> 03:42:22,800
consistent of residential uses with the

5227
03:42:22,800 --> 03:42:25,279
exception of some institutional uses

5228
03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:27,040
such as the church across the street and

5229
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:29,600
Crocker auto parts the west. All

5230
03:42:29,600 --> 03:42:31,840
adjacent parcels consisting of the R2

5231
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:35,439
family detached residential in the area.

5232
03:42:35,439 --> 03:42:37,359
The adjacent Willowbrook and Shepardwood

5233
03:42:37,359 --> 03:42:39,920
subdivisions consist of lots with an

5234
03:42:39,920 --> 03:42:44,399
average width of 70 ft and a depth of

5235
03:42:44,399 --> 03:42:48,640
130 ft. With the horizon 2030 land use

5236
03:42:48,640 --> 03:42:50,720
plan indicates the proposed development

5237
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:54,399
is not located in a designated corridor.

5238
03:42:54,399 --> 03:42:56,800
However, the R4 district allows for

5239
03:42:56,800 --> 03:42:58,479
creative design yielding the greatest

5240
03:42:58,479 --> 03:43:00,640
green space in retaining vegetation

5241
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:05,200
compared to the traditional zoning. The

5242
03:43:05,200 --> 03:43:07,600
square the single family dwelling

5243
03:43:07,600 --> 03:43:11,680
densities are up to four units per acre

5244
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:13,760
and the proposal readily achieves that

5245
03:43:13,760 --> 03:43:16,399
through a density of 3.77

5246
03:43:16,399 --> 03:43:18,640
units an acre.

5247
03:43:18,640 --> 03:43:20,479
Moving with some background information.

5248
03:43:20,479 --> 03:43:24,399
The subject properties have been located

5249
03:43:24,399 --> 03:43:26,640
in the R2 districts since the

5250
03:43:26,640 --> 03:43:29,279
institution of zoning in 1959. The

5251
03:43:29,279 --> 03:43:31,920
principal structure was built in 1937

5252
03:43:31,920 --> 03:43:33,600
according to the auditor's site and has

5253
03:43:33,600 --> 03:43:35,760
several nonconformities. In addition,

5254
03:43:35,760 --> 03:43:38,160
these properties have been in violation

5255
03:43:38,160 --> 03:43:40,800
of the zoning resolution multiple times

5256
03:43:40,800 --> 03:43:43,680
in the recent past and has been resolved

5257
03:43:43,680 --> 03:43:46,080
by the zoning inspector. Some staff

5258
03:43:46,080 --> 03:43:48,880
review and analysis of the application

5259
03:43:48,880 --> 03:43:51,920
shows that the proposal yields the

5260
03:43:51,920 --> 03:43:54,399
zoning map and conceptual plans are

5261
03:43:54,399 --> 03:43:56,000
consistent with the R4 district

5262
03:43:56,000 --> 03:43:58,000
regulations and adopted single family

5263
03:43:58,000 --> 03:44:02,880
use recommendations. The there are 18

5264
03:44:02,880 --> 03:44:08,000
single family housing lots located on

5265
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:10,160
located within this subdivision with a

5266
03:44:10,160 --> 03:44:13,359
width of an average lot of 50 ft at the

5267
03:44:13,359 --> 03:44:16,720
building lot setback line and 100 ft in

5268
03:44:16,720 --> 03:44:19,279
depths. Some of the open space there are

5269
03:44:19,279 --> 03:44:21,120
four additional lots to be dedicated

5270
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:24,399
totaling approximately 1.39 acres or

5271
03:44:24,399 --> 03:44:28,560
29.2% 2% of the total site to be

5272
03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:31,040
maintained by the HOA.

5273
03:44:31,040 --> 03:44:32,880
Uh landscaping, buffering, screening,

5274
03:44:32,880 --> 03:44:35,520
and pedestrian access is included with a

5275
03:44:35,520 --> 03:44:38,960
36 inch high mound consisting of white

5276
03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:42,080
and white and pine trees and has been

5277
03:44:42,080 --> 03:44:44,000
proposed along the adjacent properties

5278
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:46,399
to the north and south.

5279
03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:51,120
The areas that have been in indicated

5280
03:44:51,120 --> 03:44:54,000
here as uh with vegetation should be

5281
03:44:54,000 --> 03:44:56,000
labeled as preserved. The installation

5282
03:44:56,000 --> 03:44:58,160
of a sidewalk should be along both sides

5283
03:44:58,160 --> 03:45:02,080
of Bishop's Way and along the Shephard

5284
03:45:02,080 --> 03:45:05,279
Road as consistent with the 2030 plan

5285
03:45:05,279 --> 03:45:07,680
goals. Some lot configuration and

5286
03:45:07,680 --> 03:45:10,399
orientation. A minimum setback should be

5287
03:45:10,399 --> 03:45:13,199
set for the proposed lot to ensure

5288
03:45:13,199 --> 03:45:15,120
enforcement with the zoning is

5289
03:45:15,120 --> 03:45:17,279
consistent throughout and a signage

5290
03:45:17,279 --> 03:45:18,960
package should be submitted so the

5291
03:45:18,960 --> 03:45:21,520
proposed monument signage can be in

5292
03:45:21,520 --> 03:45:23,600
accordance with article 9 of the zoning

5293
03:45:23,600 --> 03:45:25,520
resolution.

5294
03:45:25,520 --> 03:45:27,680
The zoning commission recommended

5295
03:45:27,680 --> 03:45:30,880
approval for the site with seven

5296
03:45:30,880 --> 03:45:33,279
modifications. This was unanimous in

5297
03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:37,279
case number 4-26-Z

5298
03:45:37,279 --> 03:45:39,199
and the action required tonight is in

5299
03:45:39,199 --> 03:45:42,160
accordance with section 650 through 659

5300
03:45:42,160 --> 03:45:44,399
of the zoning resolution that the board

5301
03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:46,479
of trustees is to enter a motion to

5302
03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:48,800
approve as recommended by the zoning

5303
03:45:48,800 --> 03:45:50,479
commission approve with additional

5304
03:45:50,479 --> 03:45:53,199
modifications or deny the zoning map

5305
03:45:53,199 --> 03:45:55,920
amendment in accompanying concept plan

5306
03:45:55,920 --> 03:45:58,880
as presented in Union Township zoning

5307
03:45:58,880 --> 03:46:01,439
case 4-26-Z

5308
03:46:01,439 --> 03:46:03,840
And that concludes my report.

5309
03:46:03,840 --> 03:46:07,120
>> John, Mr. Floody. Um, by the way, for

5310
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:08,479
all all you folks that have been waiting

5311
03:46:08,479 --> 03:46:10,960
for this zoning case, just apologies um

5312
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:12,399
for the delay as far as how long it

5313
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:14,640
took. But no matter what, I like to get

5314
03:46:14,640 --> 03:46:17,520
every single person a chance to voice

5315
03:46:17,520 --> 03:46:19,520
their thoughts. Uh, so for what it's

5316
03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:23,279
worth. Uh, okay. Uh, uh, vice chairman,

5317
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:24,800
any questions for Mr. Flouty?

5318
03:46:24,800 --> 03:46:25,520
>> No. [clears throat]

5319
03:46:25,520 --> 03:46:26,640
>> No, I'm good.

5320
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:27,279
>> Mr. Lo,

5321
03:46:27,279 --> 03:46:28,319
>> no, I'm good. Thank you.

5322
03:46:28,319 --> 03:46:30,160
>> Uh, Mr. Flouty, you mentioned HOA. Is

5323
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:31,520
that a new HOA or is it going to be a

5324
03:46:31,520 --> 03:46:33,520
part of the existing neighborhood there?

5325
03:46:33,520 --> 03:46:35,520
>> It would be a separate HOA for this

5326
03:46:35,520 --> 03:46:37,439
subdivision alone. It would be created

5327
03:46:37,439 --> 03:46:40,960
in the deeds and covetants for for these

5328
03:46:40,960 --> 03:46:43,120
two properties in in whole.

5329
03:46:43,120 --> 03:46:46,720
>> Perfect. And then uh the the houses to

5330
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:48,720
the left and houses underneath ballpark.

5331
03:46:48,720 --> 03:46:51,120
What are those average uh on on those

5332
03:46:51,120 --> 03:46:53,439
lots?

5333
03:46:53,439 --> 03:46:56,399
>> The the existing homes, those are in the

5334
03:46:56,399 --> 03:47:02,960
R2. So they would be around the quarter of an acre lot. Yes. Correct.

5335
03:47:02,960 --> 03:47:05,760
>> All right. Got Okay. That's all I got.

5336
03:47:05,760 --> 03:47:08,880
Okay. Uh gentlemen entertain a motion to

5337
03:47:08,880 --> 03:47:11,840
open up public hearings zoning case uh

5338
03:47:11,840 --> 03:47:14,160
4-26-Z is in Zulu.

5339
03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:15,279
>> So moved. Second.

5340
03:47:15,279 --> 03:47:17,359
>> All right. Any discussion? Mr. Campbell.

5341
03:47:17,359 --> 03:47:18,479
Roll call.

5342
03:47:18,479 --> 03:47:19,680
>> Mr. Becker.

5343
03:47:19,680 --> 03:47:20,960
>> Yes. Mr. Lo.

5344
03:47:20,960 --> 03:47:21,279
>> Yes.

5345
03:47:21,279 --> 03:47:22,080
>> Mr. Dills.

5346
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:22,560
>> Yes.

5347
03:47:22,560 --> 03:47:25,199
>> Public hearing is open at 9:47 p.m.

5348
03:47:25,199 --> 03:47:27,040
>> All right. And first thing is we usually

5349
03:47:27,040 --> 03:47:28,479
have the proponent up. So to be the

5350
03:47:28,479 --> 03:47:30,399
developer, uh, if you'd like to come on

5351
03:47:30,399 --> 03:47:32,399
up

5352
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:35,920
and then I will swear you in. All right.

5353
03:47:35,920 --> 03:47:36,960
You swear to tell the truth, the whole

5354
03:47:36,960 --> 03:47:38,080
truth, nothing but the truth. So help

5355
03:47:38,080 --> 03:47:38,319
God.

5356
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:38,720
>> I do.

5357
03:47:38,720 --> 03:47:40,080
>> Great. Uh, name and address for record,

5358
03:47:40,080 --> 03:47:40,479
sir.

5359
03:47:40,479 --> 03:47:43,120
>> Tyler Gibbs, Maddox Development. Address

5360
03:47:43,120 --> 03:47:45,279
is 4026

5361
03:47:45,279 --> 03:47:49,279
Bach Buckston Road, Matav, Ohio 45103.

5362
03:47:49,279 --> 03:47:50,239
>> Michigan. Would you get all that?

5363
03:47:50,239 --> 03:47:50,720
>> I got it.

5364
03:47:50,720 --> 03:47:51,680
>> Perfect. Okay, go ahead.

5365
03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:53,600
>> Oh, I do have a card. If you

5366
03:47:53,600 --> 03:47:56,080
>> I'll take that, too. Um, I'll give it to

5367
03:47:56,080 --> 03:47:56,720
you after.

5368
03:47:56,720 --> 03:47:58,479
>> Okay.

5369
03:47:58,479 --> 03:48:00,000
>> So, Maddox, a little bit history of

5370
03:48:00,000 --> 03:48:01,279
Maddox Development. Maddox Development

5371
03:48:01,279 --> 03:48:03,600
is local to Union Township. Uh, we're

5372
03:48:03,600 --> 03:48:07,040
located on Bach Buckton Road. Um, own

5373
03:48:07,040 --> 03:48:09,600
several commercial properties uh in this

5374
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:11,359
township, including the building that we

5375
03:48:11,359 --> 03:48:13,040
worked out of in the Kennedy Land, the

5376
03:48:13,040 --> 03:48:16,479
shops at Kennedy's Landing. Um, Maddox

5377
03:48:16,479 --> 03:48:18,160
Development is also responsible for

5378
03:48:18,160 --> 03:48:21,920
building several truly affordable houses

5379
03:48:21,920 --> 03:48:25,920
in this township in the last since 2018.

5380
03:48:25,920 --> 03:48:28,080
Um, some of those houses are on their

5381
03:48:28,080 --> 03:48:31,680
second owner. Um, and they sold for 335.

5382
03:48:31,680 --> 03:48:34,640
We sold them for 315. Um, Maddox

5383
03:48:34,640 --> 03:48:36,319
Development is not the the builder in

5384
03:48:36,319 --> 03:48:39,120
this case. Uh, we are developing it for

5385
03:48:39,120 --> 03:48:40,880
other builders.

5386
03:48:40,880 --> 03:48:42,640
Um, so what Maddox Development looks for

5387
03:48:42,640 --> 03:48:44,880
is they look for we look for infill

5388
03:48:44,880 --> 03:48:48,479
lots. Um, you know,

5389
03:48:48,479 --> 03:48:50,080
for example, we did on traction lane

5390
03:48:50,080 --> 03:48:51,600
over by Speedway on Traction Lane,

5391
03:48:51,600 --> 03:48:53,040
there's an infill lot there. We split it

5392
03:48:53,040 --> 03:48:55,199
into two and put two houses on it. We

5393
03:48:55,199 --> 03:48:59,920
also look for um

5394
03:48:59,920 --> 03:49:01,359
uh troubled properties, I guess you

5395
03:49:01,359 --> 03:49:02,640
could say, houses that may have burnt

5396
03:49:02,640 --> 03:49:04,720
down that we can tear down, rebuild, and

5397
03:49:04,720 --> 03:49:06,000
redevelop. So, that's kind of our

5398
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:09,520
specialty. Um, and so this particular

5399
03:49:09,520 --> 03:49:12,800
lot came up. We I let it be for sale. It

5400
03:49:12,800 --> 03:49:18,239
was for sale for two weeks before I looked at it. Um,

5401
03:49:18,239 --> 03:49:19,520
it was still available. So, we looked at

5402
03:49:19,520 --> 03:49:21,600
it and this particular lot fits all of

5403
03:49:21,600 --> 03:49:26,479
our requirements that we looked for in a development. It is the house is is

5404
03:49:26,479 --> 03:49:28,880
abandoned. There's nobody living in it.

5405
03:49:28,880 --> 03:49:31,199
As Craig said, there's been several

5406
03:49:31,199 --> 03:49:33,760
zoning uh issues with this lot in the in

5407
03:49:33,760 --> 03:49:34,800
the past few years that have been

5408
03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:37,840
resolved. Um but

5409
03:49:37,840 --> 03:49:40,080
uh you know that this is what we look

5410
03:49:40,080 --> 03:49:41,840
for. We we look for these kind of lots

5411
03:49:41,840 --> 03:49:45,040
and clean it up a little bit. So um we

5412
03:49:45,040 --> 03:49:46,560
came up with a pretty decent site plan.

5413
03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:48,560
I you know if you ask me I might be

5414
03:49:48,560 --> 03:49:52,880
biased. Um 18 lots. It is currently

5415
03:49:52,880 --> 03:49:55,680
zoned R2. So the density is a quarter

5416
03:49:55,680 --> 03:49:58,560
acre per lot which in this case would be

5417
03:49:58,560 --> 03:50:02,960
20 houses or so. Um and so we hit 18.

5418
03:50:02,960 --> 03:50:06,399
And we also um were able to design this

5419
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:08,000
to have green space all the way around

5420
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:11,920
the entire perimeter there, the backside

5421
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:14,399
and the uh I believe that's the west

5422
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:16,239
with a mound.

5423
03:50:16,239 --> 03:50:17,840
We have a green space in the middle with

5424
03:50:17,840 --> 03:50:20,399
a gazebo um obviously a monument sign.

5425
03:50:20,399 --> 03:50:22,080
We have two retention ponds and one

5426
03:50:22,080 --> 03:50:24,479
detention pond um to help with drainage

5427
03:50:24,479 --> 03:50:27,040
in the area. It's a relatively flat lot

5428
03:50:27,040 --> 03:50:29,920
and um and so Carl Hartman, he could not

5429
03:50:29,920 --> 03:50:32,160
be here tonight. he fell ill earlier

5430
03:50:32,160 --> 03:50:36,160
today and uh but he he has drawn up a a

5431
03:50:36,160 --> 03:50:38,239
very good site plan for this uh for this

5432
03:50:38,239 --> 03:50:41,120
lot. So um that's all I have for right

5433
03:50:41,120 --> 03:50:44,000
now. Want to answer some questions?

5434
03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:44,960
>> Mr. Fresher.

5435
03:50:44,960 --> 03:50:50,389
>> No, Mr. Lugs.

5436
03:50:50,399 --> 03:50:51,199
» Mr. Gibbs. Uh

5437
03:50:51,199 --> 03:50:53,920
>> Maddox is my middle name. the uh

5438
03:50:53,920 --> 03:50:56,319
regardless how the vote turns out uh you

5439
03:50:56,319 --> 03:50:57,680
know appreciate you investing in the

5440
03:50:57,680 --> 03:50:59,199
township as because you own Kenny's

5441
03:50:59,199 --> 03:51:00,560
Landing and also your other business is

5442
03:51:00,560 --> 03:51:01,840
located here as well, right?

5443
03:51:01,840 --> 03:51:03,920
>> Yeah, we uh we're located on Bach Bucks

5444
03:51:03,920 --> 03:51:05,199
and we also own the building that we're

5445
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:06,960
in on Bucks, the old KUP electric

5446
03:51:06,960 --> 03:51:07,359
building.

5447
03:51:07,359 --> 03:51:08,960
>> Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your

5448
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:10,160
investment here in the township. Yeah.

5449
03:51:10,160 --> 03:51:11,680
Thank you very much. But uh no questions

5450
03:51:11,680 --> 03:51:12,880
for me at the time. Appreciate. Yeah.

5451
03:51:12,880 --> 03:51:13,920
Thank you, sir.

5452
03:51:13,920 --> 03:51:15,040
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that's a

5453
03:51:15,040 --> 03:51:17,840
proponent of this case? Uh for this

5454
03:51:17,840 --> 03:51:18,239
case?

5455
03:51:18,239 --> 03:51:18,479
>> Yes.

5456
03:51:18,479 --> 03:51:19,520
>> Oh, please. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

5457
03:51:19,520 --> 03:51:24,950
Please come on up. Yes.

5458
03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:29,189
All right. Got it.

5459
03:51:29,199 --> 03:51:31,040
» All right. Appreciate it.

5460
03:51:31,040 --> 03:51:31,359
>> Thank you.

5461
03:51:31,359 --> 03:51:33,840
>> Appreciate you. All right. Let me let me

5462
03:51:33,840 --> 03:51:35,920
go swear you in.

5463
03:51:35,920 --> 03:51:37,040
>> All right. You swear to tell the truth,

5464
03:51:37,040 --> 03:51:37,920
the whole truth. Anything about the

5465
03:51:37,920 --> 03:51:39,439
truth. So have you got I do. Great.

5466
03:51:39,439 --> 03:51:42,640
Lor's yours, sir.

5467
03:51:42,640 --> 03:51:46,000
>> My name is David Lamb. Uh my address is

5468
03:51:46,000 --> 03:51:47,920
1192

5469
03:51:47,920 --> 03:51:50,080
Emery Ridge Drive. That is a Bavia

5470
03:51:50,080 --> 03:51:54,080
address. Uh I am speaking tonight um

5471
03:51:54,080 --> 03:51:56,080
from the perspective of the family

5472
03:51:56,080 --> 03:51:58,720
trying to sell the property.

5473
03:51:58,720 --> 03:52:03,359
So I am the son of one of six siblings

5474
03:52:03,359 --> 03:52:05,040
who inherited the property when my

5475
03:52:05,040 --> 03:52:08,319
grandmother died in 1995.

5476
03:52:08,319 --> 03:52:11,680
>> We have been through about 10 years of

5477
03:52:11,680 --> 03:52:14,160
probate complications.

5478
03:52:14,160 --> 03:52:17,359
We just reached the point this winter

5479
03:52:17,359 --> 03:52:20,000
where we could list the property. the

5480
03:52:20,000 --> 03:52:22,239
family is not in a position to maintain

5481
03:52:22,239 --> 03:52:24,399
the property. We are aware that the

5482
03:52:24,399 --> 03:52:26,960
house on that property is an eyesore,

5483
03:52:26,960 --> 03:52:28,800
that some of the other debris on the

5484
03:52:28,800 --> 03:52:31,120
property is is not only an eyesore, but

5485
03:52:31,120 --> 03:52:32,720
it's a safety hazard if anybody

5486
03:52:32,720 --> 03:52:35,359
trespasses. We know that for the good of

5487
03:52:35,359 --> 03:52:37,920
the community, this property needs to

5488
03:52:37,920 --> 03:52:40,640
move on. The family's not capable. Um,

5489
03:52:40,640 --> 03:52:43,760
so from a sellers's perspective,

5490
03:52:43,760 --> 03:52:47,439
we're looking for support in moving this

5491
03:52:47,439 --> 03:52:49,680
property and letting everybody in that

5492
03:52:49,680 --> 03:52:55,590
community move on. Um,

5493
03:52:55,600 --> 03:52:57,840
two weeks ago was the zoning committee

5494
03:52:57,840 --> 03:52:59,760
hearing. We heard a number of different

5495
03:52:59,760 --> 03:53:02,239
concerns from the local the neighbors of

5496
03:53:02,239 --> 03:53:05,520
the area. One of them was traffic. I

5497
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:07,920
think this this uh the trustees have

5498
03:53:07,920 --> 03:53:10,080
established the traffic concerns are

5499
03:53:10,080 --> 03:53:13,520
more in the county's area. So I would

5500
03:53:13,520 --> 03:53:15,359
say, you know, any concerns with traffic

5501
03:53:15,359 --> 03:53:17,040
kind of be deferred. I would, you know,

5502
03:53:17,040 --> 03:53:19,520
I'd hope they would go. The other

5503
03:53:19,520 --> 03:53:23,040
concern was related to the use of the

5504
03:53:23,040 --> 03:53:25,279
property. One of the things I learned in

5505
03:53:25,279 --> 03:53:27,199
the zoning and and it's funny, we've had

5506
03:53:27,199 --> 03:53:30,960
a lot of conversation about R1, R2, R4.

5507
03:53:30,960 --> 03:53:33,199
These are things that are foreign to any

5508
03:53:33,199 --> 03:53:34,800
of us, you know, that don't deal with

5509
03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:36,160
properties.

5510
03:53:36,160 --> 03:53:37,279
>> One of the things I learned in the

5511
03:53:37,279 --> 03:53:39,840
zoning committee meeting was

5512
03:53:39,840 --> 03:53:42,000
that the plan that the developer has

5513
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:44,560
come up with actually meets the density

5514
03:53:44,560 --> 03:53:47,680
requirements for I think it's the R2

5515
03:53:47,680 --> 03:53:49,199
rating, the current rating. So, even

5516
03:53:49,199 --> 03:53:53,279
though they're applying for R4, the the

5517
03:53:53,279 --> 03:53:54,960
density rating when you factor in the

5518
03:53:54,960 --> 03:53:57,760
green space actually still meets the

5519
03:53:57,760 --> 03:54:00,720
current uh zoning for that property. And

5520
03:54:00,720 --> 03:54:02,560
I I can defer to the zoning committee

5521
03:54:02,560 --> 03:54:04,880
for clarification on that. I'm by no

5522
03:54:04,880 --> 03:54:10,160
means an expert on that. So what I'm is from the seller's

5523
03:54:10,160 --> 03:54:13,520
perspective is, you know, we have a need

5524
03:54:13,520 --> 03:54:15,920
to move the property. We're looking for

5525
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:18,239
improvements for everybody on Shepard

5526
03:54:18,239 --> 03:54:21,760
Road and that as long as the density

5527
03:54:21,760 --> 03:54:23,120
requirements, the zoning requirements

5528
03:54:23,120 --> 03:54:25,199
are are met, we're hoping there's no

5529
03:54:25,199 --> 03:54:28,319
obstruction to selling this property.

5530
03:54:28,319 --> 03:54:31,120
One last point I want to make just just

5531
03:54:31,120 --> 03:54:35,040
noting it. I believe I assume that a

5532
03:54:35,040 --> 03:54:36,800
petition that was turned into the zoning

5533
03:54:36,800 --> 03:54:40,319
committee with about 125 signatures

5534
03:54:40,319 --> 03:54:44,239
um was pulled together by one of the

5535
03:54:44,239 --> 03:54:46,640
competing biders. We also learned in the

5536
03:54:46,640 --> 03:54:49,040
zoning committee meeting that the

5537
03:54:49,040 --> 03:54:50,960
information that was given to a lot of

5538
03:54:50,960 --> 03:54:52,880
the signees at the time, not

5539
03:54:52,880 --> 03:54:54,960
intentionally, but because of a

5540
03:54:54,960 --> 03:54:57,520
misunderstanding of zoning, a lot of the

5541
03:54:57,520 --> 03:54:59,199
people that signed that petition may not

5542
03:54:59,199 --> 03:55:00,720
have gotten accurate accurate

5543
03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:03,840
information on the zoning rules.

5544
03:55:03,840 --> 03:55:06,479
But my concern is is that the person

5545
03:55:06,479 --> 03:55:08,960
driving that petition

5546
03:55:08,960 --> 03:55:11,040
could be using that to keep the sale

5547
03:55:11,040 --> 03:55:13,680
open and prevent the sale to the current

5548
03:55:13,680 --> 03:55:16,000
developer. With that, I'll close.

5549
03:55:16,000 --> 03:55:18,399
>> Fair enough. Yeah. And then did you have

5550
03:55:18,399 --> 03:55:19,359
any questions for Mr. Lamb?

5551
03:55:19,359 --> 03:55:20,319
>> No.

5552
03:55:20,319 --> 03:55:21,359
>> Any questions for Mr. Lamb?

5553
03:55:21,359 --> 03:55:23,199
>> Uh, not apparently.

5554
03:55:23,199 --> 03:55:24,560
>> Appreciate you speak. And by by the way,

5555
03:55:24,560 --> 03:55:27,199
uh, sorry for your grandmother in her

5556
03:55:27,199 --> 03:55:29,680
passing, by the way, Mr. Lamb. The, uh,

5557
03:55:29,680 --> 03:55:31,359
Okay. Is there anyone else that is for

5558
03:55:31,359 --> 03:55:33,600
this case that is a proponent. All

5559
03:55:33,600 --> 03:55:35,040
right. Seeing none, I can kind of tell

5560
03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:38,080
where the room's at. So, [laughter]

5561
03:55:38,080 --> 03:55:41,279
the Okay. Yeah. Uh is there is

5562
03:55:41,279 --> 03:55:42,640
>> wedding

5563
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:44,960
>> the uh if anyone that that is an

5564
03:55:44,960 --> 03:55:46,319
opponent of this case that is against

5565
03:55:46,319 --> 03:55:48,239
this case uh you please come on up sir.

5566
03:55:48,239 --> 03:55:52,229
Yeah.

5567
03:55:52,239 --> 03:55:55,670
And uh

5568
03:55:55,680 --> 03:55:57,680
this is right.

5569
03:55:57,680 --> 03:55:58,560
>> Yeah.

5570
03:55:58,560 --> 03:56:00,399
>> Thank you.

5571
03:56:00,399 --> 03:56:01,760
>> Oh yeah.

5572
03:56:01,760 --> 03:56:03,600
>> Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth,

5573
03:56:03,600 --> 03:56:04,720
the whole truth, and both the truth

5574
03:56:04,720 --> 03:56:05,439
shall be God?

5575
03:56:05,439 --> 03:56:05,920
>> I do.

5576
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:07,279
>> Great. And then go and state your name

5577
03:56:07,279 --> 03:56:09,439
for that. Uh, excuse me, Justin Burch,

5578
03:56:09,439 --> 03:56:13,120
997 Shepardwoods Court. Um, first things

5579
03:56:13,120 --> 03:56:15,199
first, uh, I just want to say, uh, thank

5580
03:56:15,199 --> 03:56:17,920
you, Mr. Dills, for allowing everybody

5581
03:56:17,920 --> 03:56:19,760
to come up and speak. I know it's late,

5582
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:22,160
pushing 10:00. Um, I have been getting

5583
03:56:22,160 --> 03:56:24,399
texts, uh, Mr. Wright, saying they were

5584
03:56:24,399 --> 03:56:28,399
hearing you uh, ask Mr. Dills to wrap

5585
03:56:28,399 --> 03:56:31,199
this up, which you responded. It's their

5586
03:56:31,199 --> 03:56:32,880
right. So, thank you for that.

5587
03:56:32,880 --> 03:56:36,160
>> Absolutely. Thank you, sir.

5588
03:56:36,160 --> 03:56:37,840
>> Uh, good evening. I'm here tonight to

5589
03:56:37,840 --> 03:56:40,239
voice the collective concerns of many

5590
03:56:40,239 --> 03:56:43,199
residents regarding the proposed zoning

5591
03:56:43,199 --> 03:56:45,920
uh reszoning from R2 to R4 on Shepard

5592
03:56:45,920 --> 03:56:47,520
Road.

5593
03:56:47,520 --> 03:56:49,040
While we understand the need for the

5594
03:56:49,040 --> 03:56:52,000
growth, development development must be

5595
03:56:52,000 --> 03:56:53,680
harmonious with the established

5596
03:56:53,680 --> 03:56:57,840
character of our community. One concern

5597
03:56:57,840 --> 03:56:59,760
is the unprecedented increase in

5598
03:56:59,760 --> 03:57:02,319
density. Currently the small private

5599
03:57:02,319 --> 03:57:05,040
areas along Shepard Road average just

5600
03:57:05,040 --> 03:57:08,000
four homes each. So when you off

5601
03:57:08,000 --> 03:57:10,800
Tealtown all the way down it's about

5602
03:57:10,800 --> 03:57:14,160
four homes on each one of the offshoots

5603
03:57:14,160 --> 03:57:17,520
of that if that makes sense. It does.

5604
03:57:17,520 --> 03:57:20,479
>> Uh this proposal calls for new 18 home

5605
03:57:20,479 --> 03:57:22,399
development. This isn't just a minor

5606
03:57:22,399 --> 03:57:25,920
increase. um myself and those back on

5607
03:57:25,920 --> 03:57:29,600
Willowville um and many residents down

5608
03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:32,160
Sheperwood's Court uh it will feel like

5609
03:57:32,160 --> 03:57:34,399
a mini Brooklyn dropped right in our

5610
03:57:34,399 --> 03:57:36,479
backyard

5611
03:57:36,479 --> 03:57:38,399
uh which is completely out of step with

5612
03:57:38,399 --> 03:57:40,319
the existing neighborhoods down Shepard

5613
03:57:40,319 --> 03:57:43,600
Road. Another major concern is the loss

5614
03:57:43,600 --> 03:57:45,760
of privacy right now. lot of mature

5615
03:57:45,760 --> 03:57:48,239
trees, natural brush, provide a buffer

5616
03:57:48,239 --> 03:57:52,080
between our homes, this property,

5617
03:57:52,080 --> 03:57:54,160
um, and the Willowbrook community behind

5618
03:57:54,160 --> 03:57:57,040
us. This development would remove most

5619
03:57:57,040 --> 03:58:00,080
trees and a three-foot tall burm around

5620
03:58:00,080 --> 03:58:02,479
the perimeter. This burm simply will not

5621
03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:04,880
replace decades of mature trees that

5622
03:58:04,880 --> 03:58:07,359
currently provide any sort of privacy

5623
03:58:07,359 --> 03:58:10,319
for residents all around.

5624
03:58:10,319 --> 03:58:13,199
Uh approximately 21 existing homes

5625
03:58:13,199 --> 03:58:16,800
including 12 on Locust uh Grove Court,

5626
03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:19,040
seven on Sheperwoods Court and two on

5627
03:58:19,040 --> 03:58:21,840
Sheper Road, we'll see our privacy

5628
03:58:21,840 --> 03:58:24,319
significantly decreased

5629
03:58:24,319 --> 03:58:26,640
with this potential to reszone to R4

5630
03:58:26,640 --> 03:58:28,479
allowing more flexibility of homes on

5631
03:58:28,479 --> 03:58:30,399
their respective lot. these new new

5632
03:58:30,399 --> 03:58:33,279
homes um won't have to adhere to the

5633
03:58:33,279 --> 03:58:36,000
setbacks of the 30 feet uh 30 feet and

5634
03:58:36,000 --> 03:58:39,840
10 feet respectively uh per the zoning

5635
03:58:39,840 --> 03:58:42,319
documents that are online potentially

5636
03:58:42,319 --> 03:58:43,840
putting new homes even closer to our

5637
03:58:43,840 --> 03:58:45,520
existing properties diminishing the

5638
03:58:45,520 --> 03:58:48,319
privacy that is already in danger.

5639
03:58:48,319 --> 03:58:50,640
Um we're also worried about traffic and

5640
03:58:50,640 --> 03:58:52,560
safety. The road leading to this

5641
03:58:52,560 --> 03:58:55,600
development is narrow, has no sidewalks,

5642
03:58:55,600 --> 03:58:58,560
and there is only one entrance and exit.

5643
03:58:58,560 --> 03:59:00,479
Um, one note that I do have, I've

5644
03:59:00,479 --> 03:59:02,880
already had to spend over $200 uh

5645
03:59:02,880 --> 03:59:05,600
because my wife was forced off the edge

5646
03:59:05,600 --> 03:59:09,040
of the road um years ago hitting a trash

5647
03:59:09,040 --> 03:59:11,040
can that was out there because it was so

5648
03:59:11,040 --> 03:59:11,520
narrow.

5649
03:59:11,520 --> 03:59:12,800
>> Is it is that on Shepard?

5650
03:59:12,800 --> 03:59:16,560
>> That's on Shepard Road. Yes.

5651
03:59:16,560 --> 03:59:19,520
Um, and a side note with that, many

5652
03:59:19,520 --> 03:59:22,319
times we're constantly pulling over to

5653
03:59:22,319 --> 03:59:26,710
allow cars to pass.

5654
03:59:26,720 --> 03:59:29,439
Um

5655
03:59:29,439 --> 03:59:32,399
so family, children, walkers, cyclists,

5656
03:59:32,399 --> 03:59:34,319
we all use this road. Uh increased

5657
03:59:34,319 --> 03:59:35,760
traffic creates additional safety

5658
03:59:35,760 --> 03:59:38,880
concerns. Uh we also need to consider

5659
03:59:38,880 --> 03:59:42,239
the impact of the consider uh excuse me,

5660
03:59:42,239 --> 03:59:44,800
consider continued residential

5661
03:59:44,800 --> 03:59:47,040
development on the West Claremont School

5662
03:59:47,040 --> 03:59:49,600
District. It seems there has been a

5663
03:59:49,600 --> 03:59:51,199
recent shift in Union Township toward

5664
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:53,279
fitting as many residential communities

5665
03:59:53,279 --> 03:59:55,680
as possible into smaller pieces of

5666
03:59:55,680 --> 03:59:58,319
property. But if we stop to consider the

5667
03:59:58,319 --> 04:00:01,520
cumulative impact impact of that growth

5668
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:04,160
on our schools, 18 additional homes may

5669
04:00:04,160 --> 04:00:06,160
seem like a small number when considered

5670
04:00:06,160 --> 04:00:08,880
on their own, but when combined with

5671
04:00:08,880 --> 04:00:10,880
other new developments, these homes mean

5672
04:00:10,880 --> 04:00:12,399
additional students to the West

5673
04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:14,880
Claremont School District. This affects

5674
04:00:14,880 --> 04:00:16,720
class sizes, classroom space, staffing,

5675
04:00:16,720 --> 04:00:18,479
transportation, and other school

5676
04:00:18,479 --> 04:00:22,000
resources. We urge the the trustees to

5677
04:00:22,000 --> 04:00:24,160
deny the reasonzoning request. We're not

5678
04:00:24,160 --> 04:00:26,479
against the development, bar none.

5679
04:00:26,479 --> 04:00:28,399
Period. Full stop. We're not against it.

5680
04:00:28,399 --> 04:00:32,319
What we're against is shoving 18 homes

5681
04:00:32,319 --> 04:00:36,960
into a 3.7 acre lot

5682
04:00:36,960 --> 04:00:40,000
on a already narrow road to bring if

5683
04:00:40,000 --> 04:00:43,279
there's 18 at least two cars for

5684
04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:46,479
husband, wife, partner, spouse. Now

5685
04:00:46,479 --> 04:00:48,800
you're up to 36. They started having

5686
04:00:48,800 --> 04:00:51,120
children. You're you're climbing way up

5687
04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:53,680
very quickly. Again, on a very narrow

5688
04:00:53,680 --> 04:00:56,960
road already. Um, and I would like to

5689
04:00:56,960 --> 04:00:59,760
just say during snowstorms, plows don't

5690
04:00:59,760 --> 04:01:01,520
really come down Shepherd Road very

5691
04:01:01,520 --> 04:01:04,399
often. Um, there are some low spots,

5692
04:01:04,399 --> 04:01:06,880
there's a lot of ice,

5693
04:01:06,880 --> 04:01:09,199
it it it gets uh pretty dangerous at

5694
04:01:09,199 --> 04:01:11,199
times, and I'm not just trying to

5695
04:01:11,199 --> 04:01:14,640
exaggerate that either. Um, we we do

5696
04:01:14,640 --> 04:01:16,399
agree that the the current property is

5697
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:19,520
an eyesore. Full stop. We we we agree

5698
04:01:19,520 --> 04:01:24,160
with that. Um, but again, it feels like

5699
04:01:24,160 --> 04:01:26,960
the goal is just to cram as many uh

5700
04:01:26,960 --> 04:01:29,199
homes as possible. Um, I'm sorry, I

5701
04:01:29,199 --> 04:01:31,760
misspoke. I said 3.7 earlier. Um, as

5702
04:01:31,760 --> 04:01:34,319
many homes as possible into a 4.7 acre

5703
04:01:34,319 --> 04:01:37,040
property to maximize the profits of the

5704
04:01:37,040 --> 04:01:38,640
developer that doesn't live in the

5705
04:01:38,640 --> 04:01:40,239
community.

5706
04:01:40,239 --> 04:01:42,560
Um, current currently there is a privacy

5707
04:01:42,560 --> 04:01:45,199
fence, a sixoot wooden privacy fence.

5708
04:01:45,199 --> 04:01:47,840
Um, that is

5709
04:01:47,840 --> 04:01:48,239
C.

5710
04:01:48,239 --> 04:01:49,520
>> Craig, can you pull up a better picture

5711
04:01:49,520 --> 04:01:51,760
of that? Yeah. On the aerial. Thank you.

5712
04:01:51,760 --> 04:01:55,439
>> Um once you turn into well to the if

5713
04:01:55,439 --> 04:01:58,319
you're staring at Bishop's house, which

5714
04:01:58,319 --> 04:02:01,040
is the top right corner, um little white

5715
04:02:01,040 --> 04:02:02,800
building to the right of that, there is

5716
04:02:02,800 --> 04:02:05,520
a 6-ft wooden privacy fence that is

5717
04:02:05,520 --> 04:02:08,720
constantly falling down, uh currently.

5718
04:02:08,720 --> 04:02:12,080
So, uh, one thing that we

5719
04:02:12,080 --> 04:02:13,760
are worried about is what's going to

5720
04:02:13,760 --> 04:02:17,120
happen with that fence all the way down,

5721
04:02:17,120 --> 04:02:19,040
uh, that privacy fence. It then turns

5722
04:02:19,040 --> 04:02:22,239
into barbwire fence that comes down my

5723
04:02:22,239 --> 04:02:23,760
property,

5724
04:02:23,760 --> 04:02:25,760
neighbors property, another piece of

5725
04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:28,399
property, and then around to the private

5726
04:02:28,399 --> 04:02:30,080
drive.

5727
04:02:30,080 --> 04:02:32,239
Who's going to take care of that? Is

5728
04:02:32,239 --> 04:02:33,920
there going to be another fence? What is

5729
04:02:33,920 --> 04:02:35,600
that going to uh what's that going to

5730
04:02:35,600 --> 04:02:36,000
look like?

5731
04:02:36,000 --> 04:02:37,600
>> And all this, Mr. patrol this fence

5732
04:02:37,600 --> 04:02:38,479
you're talking about is that on the

5733
04:02:38,479 --> 04:02:39,279
existing property right now

5734
04:02:39,279 --> 04:02:40,880
>> that is on the existing property that's

5735
04:02:40,880 --> 04:02:41,199
correct

5736
04:02:41,199 --> 04:02:43,279
>> all right

5737
04:02:43,279 --> 04:02:45,359
um

5738
04:02:45,359 --> 04:02:47,920
in the

5739
04:02:47,920 --> 04:02:52,960
last couple things I do want to say um

5740
04:02:52,960 --> 04:02:55,279
we have spoken with people that know the

5741
04:02:55,279 --> 04:03:00,239
developer they're even against it um and

5742
04:03:00,239 --> 04:03:02,640
uh we also know people personally that

5743
04:03:02,640 --> 04:03:06,160
have put bids in on the property um that

5744
04:03:06,160 --> 04:03:07,600
were denied

5745
04:03:07,600 --> 04:03:10,080
whatever it doesn't matter. Um, I just

5746
04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:12,000
want to say or have that on the record

5747
04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:14,399
that other people are bidding on this

5748
04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:16,319
that they were just going to have it as

5749
04:03:16,319 --> 04:03:18,479
a single family lot. They were going to

5750
04:03:18,479 --> 04:03:20,960
use it for green space. They were going

5751
04:03:20,960 --> 04:03:23,359
to build a home on it. Um, not turn this

5752
04:03:23,359 --> 04:03:27,120
into again a mini Brooklyn.

5753
04:03:27,120 --> 04:03:29,279
Um, and then

5754
04:03:29,279 --> 04:03:31,908
the really the only question that

5755
04:03:31,908 --> 04:03:33,920
[clears throat] I have

5756
04:03:33,920 --> 04:03:36,640
is, uh, what are the setbacks on the

5757
04:03:36,640 --> 04:03:39,600
home if this hypothetically did get

5758
04:03:39,600 --> 04:03:43,590
reszoned to an R4?

5759
04:03:43,600 --> 04:03:45,199
» Mr. F, you want to answer that one?

5760
04:03:45,199 --> 04:03:48,000
>> Yeah. So, looking at the plan, let me

5761
04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:51,920
pull out the report here.

5762
04:03:51,920 --> 04:03:55,439
The setbacks for the holes would be the

5763
04:03:55,439 --> 04:03:57,120
minimum fret yard setbacks of all

5764
04:03:57,120 --> 04:04:00,640
proposed lots should be 25 foot. The

5765
04:04:00,640 --> 04:04:02,560
minimum rear yard setbacks of the

5766
04:04:02,560 --> 04:04:05,760
proposed lot should be 15 ft. This

5767
04:04:05,760 --> 04:04:08,319
combined with a landscape buffer. So the

5768
04:04:08,319 --> 04:04:11,279
landscape buffer to the rear of this. So

5769
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:13,920
you can see that along through there

5770
04:04:13,920 --> 04:04:17,199
makes a combination for roughly 30 feet

5771
04:04:17,199 --> 04:04:22,309
in combined setbacks.

5772
04:04:22,319 --> 04:04:24,640
So from the very the the property line

5773
04:04:24,640 --> 04:04:27,040
to the house would be 30 ft.

5774
04:04:27,040 --> 04:04:30,319
>> So if you're looking at it here, this

5775
04:04:30,319 --> 04:04:32,880
would roughly be

5776
04:04:32,880 --> 04:04:35,840
keep it contingent with 15. So you have

5777
04:04:35,840 --> 04:04:39,279
15 roughly and another 15 to get 30 in

5778
04:04:39,279 --> 04:04:41,120
there. And then the front would be

5779
04:04:41,120 --> 04:04:45,120
combined to have a standard of 25 ft.

5780
04:04:45,120 --> 04:04:46,960
>> What about Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean

5781
04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:48,800
to cut you off. So you can kind of see

5782
04:04:48,800 --> 04:04:51,840
within this plan how all the setbacks

5783
04:04:51,840 --> 04:04:55,279
vary those dash lines. We just keep a

5784
04:04:55,279 --> 04:04:58,239
standard setback there of 25 ft from the

5785
04:04:58,239 --> 04:05:00,720
front, 15 from the rear with the

5786
04:05:00,720 --> 04:05:03,279
additional 15 ft in the back to make a

5787
04:05:03,279 --> 04:05:06,000
total of 30 in. Sorry, what was your

5788
04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:08,720
question? Uh what about the lots that

5789
04:05:08,720 --> 04:05:11,040
are smaller on the right hand or excuse

5790
04:05:11,040 --> 04:05:12,479
me on the lefthand side around the

5791
04:05:12,479 --> 04:05:14,960
culde-sac and then also on the far right

5792
04:05:14,960 --> 04:05:18,640
hand side heading back towards that

5793
04:05:18,640 --> 04:05:35,030
>> I can't see

5794
04:05:35,040 --> 04:05:38,399
they've got So, this one here,

5795
04:05:38,399 --> 04:05:43,520
the mouse, we've got 30 feet. Here we've

5796
04:05:43,520 --> 04:05:54,800
got 25 ft, 20 ft, 25 ft, 20 ft. So, roughly, and then you

5797
04:05:54,800 --> 04:05:58,640
have the buffering of

5798
04:05:58,640 --> 04:06:01,760
the mound throughout here. What about on

5799
04:06:01,760 --> 04:06:04,479
the side where the the burm is on the

5800
04:06:04,479 --> 04:06:06,720
far right side? See a little strip and

5801
04:06:06,720 --> 04:06:08,479
then

5802
04:06:08,479 --> 04:06:10,640
>> Yeah. So, this one's

5803
04:06:10,640 --> 04:06:15,359
10 15 and then the mound in between

5804
04:06:15,359 --> 04:06:16,319
there.

5805
04:06:16,319 --> 04:06:19,680
>> And how how wide is that mound?

5806
04:06:19,680 --> 04:06:23,760
the mound would be so we know it's 36 in

5807
04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:29,840
high and then it would roughly be um

5808
04:06:29,840 --> 04:06:32,640
it would roughly be let's see here I

5809
04:06:32,640 --> 04:06:34,880
would say what four four feet in width

5810
04:06:34,880 --> 04:06:37,040
to offset you know you can't have it too

5811
04:06:37,040 --> 04:06:39,120
steep otherwise yeah it just erode

5812
04:06:39,120 --> 04:06:41,840
through there so

5813
04:06:41,840 --> 04:06:45,840
>> so about either 14 to 19 feet from the

5814
04:06:45,840 --> 04:06:48,239
burm or from the the property line where

5815
04:06:48,239 --> 04:06:50,800
the burm would

5816
04:06:50,800 --> 04:06:54,080
end for that development to the back of

5817
04:06:54,080 --> 04:06:57,120
the house of a of one of the developed

5818
04:06:57,120 --> 04:06:58,080
homes.

5819
04:06:58,080 --> 04:07:00,399
>> Am I understand that correctly? It' be

5820
04:07:00,399 --> 04:07:06,469
between 14 and 15 ft on that side.

5821
04:07:06,479 --> 04:07:09,279
» Yes, it looks like it's 10 feet and then

5822
04:07:09,279 --> 04:07:11,600
the width which is Yeah, I would say

5823
04:07:11,600 --> 04:07:14,160
roughly around 10. So, we'd be at 20 at

5824
04:07:14,160 --> 04:07:18,080
20 feet 20T around there. Yeah.

5825
04:07:18,080 --> 04:07:21,600
Thank you. That's one second. Mr. B, Mr.

5826
04:07:21,600 --> 04:07:22,399
Becker, any questions?

5827
04:07:22,399 --> 04:07:25,520
>> I do. Uh, and Mr. Flouty might want to

5828
04:07:25,520 --> 04:07:28,720
chime in on on this as well. So, I'm

5829
04:07:28,720 --> 04:07:30,800
very familiar with Shepherd Road. I've

5830
04:07:30,800 --> 04:07:32,880
even picked up garbage along it the

5831
04:07:32,880 --> 04:07:35,120
whole stretch all the way down. Now, as

5832
04:07:35,120 --> 04:07:36,560
the chairman pointed out, the area is

5833
04:07:36,560 --> 04:07:41,199
zoned R2, but is it my imagination

5834
04:07:41,199 --> 04:07:44,880
or are even though it's zoned R2,

5835
04:07:44,880 --> 04:07:47,520
most of lots are much larger than a

5836
04:07:47,520 --> 04:07:50,960
minimum for R2?

5837
04:07:50,960 --> 04:07:54,239
Do they know the answer to that?

5838
04:07:54,239 --> 04:07:54,800
>> Yeah.

5839
04:07:54,800 --> 04:07:57,439
>> Yes. These these lots are smaller than a

5840
04:07:57,439 --> 04:08:00,560
typical R2. What's made up with this?

5841
04:08:00,560 --> 04:08:02,560
>> I'm talking about the current Sheepard

5842
04:08:02,560 --> 04:08:03,040
Road

5843
04:08:03,040 --> 04:08:05,120
>> hubs. Yeah, Shepard Road. If you look at

5844
04:08:05,120 --> 04:08:07,520
the zoning map, the properties around

5845
04:08:07,520 --> 04:08:08,800
are R2.

5846
04:08:08,800 --> 04:08:11,596
>> Yeah, but that wasn't my question.

5847
04:08:11,596 --> 04:08:13,120
[laughter]

5848
04:08:13,120 --> 04:08:14,479
>> Are you saying the lots around it are

5849
04:08:14,479 --> 04:08:16,000
smaller, bigger? Is that your question?

5850
04:08:16,000 --> 04:08:20,080
>> I'm saying although they're zoned. So, you know, prior to this, I was

5851
04:08:20,080 --> 04:08:22,160
spending some time looking real hard at

5852
04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:24,399
the at the schematics of of, you know,

5853
04:08:24,399 --> 04:08:27,199
the the the property sizes. It appeared

5854
04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:30,479
to me, although it's R2, a lot of these

5855
04:08:30,479 --> 04:08:32,399
properties are much larger than the

5856
04:08:32,399 --> 04:08:34,000
minimum for an R2.

5857
04:08:34,000 --> 04:08:35,680
>> Mr. Becker, if I could, I' I've been

5858
04:08:35,680 --> 04:08:37,279
here a while.

5859
04:08:37,279 --> 04:08:42,399
>> Uh, I've looked at probably

5860
04:08:42,399 --> 04:08:44,399
300 subdivision plats in my career,

5861
04:08:44,399 --> 04:08:45,920
minimum.

5862
04:08:45,920 --> 04:08:48,399
So, those lots, that's Shephard Road. If

5863
04:08:48,399 --> 04:08:50,800
you look at the yellow there, and then

5864
04:08:50,800 --> 04:08:52,560
uh you kind of see the curve where the

5865
04:08:52,560 --> 04:08:55,120
lots sort of uh they sort of line up,

5866
04:08:55,120 --> 04:08:56,960
they don't line up there. You can kind

5867
04:08:56,960 --> 04:08:58,399
of see Shephard there. And you see the

5868
04:08:58,399 --> 04:09:01,120
frontage there. Those lots to the south

5869
04:09:01,120 --> 04:09:03,199
there. Those are approximately with the

5870
04:09:03,199 --> 04:09:05,840
exception of that one weird shaped lot.

5871
04:09:05,840 --> 04:09:08,399
You guys see it? There's two larger lots

5872
04:09:08,399 --> 04:09:10,000
and then kind of a

5873
04:09:10,000 --> 04:09:10,800
>> I don't even know.

5874
04:09:10,800 --> 04:09:12,319
>> So, put put your put your mouse on the

5875
04:09:12,319 --> 04:09:12,880
curve there.

5876
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:15,040
>> Yeah. So, those are probably those two

5877
04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:17,120
lots there next to it are probably

5878
04:09:17,120 --> 04:09:18,640
somewhere between a third of an acre and

5879
04:09:18,640 --> 04:09:20,640
a half an acre. And then that weird

5880
04:09:20,640 --> 04:09:22,720
little you see that one that looks sort

5881
04:09:22,720 --> 04:09:25,760
of squareish with the corner cut off of

5882
04:09:25,760 --> 04:09:28,399
it. That might be a little over between

5883
04:09:28,399 --> 04:09:30,239
a quarter and a third. And then those

5884
04:09:30,239 --> 04:09:31,840
lots along the frontage to the south,

5885
04:09:31,840 --> 04:09:33,680
those are quarteracre lots. Those are R1

5886
04:09:33,680 --> 04:09:35,840
lots. The lots in Blackberry and all

5887
04:09:35,840 --> 04:09:37,920
that, those are are R2 lots. I'm sorry.

5888
04:09:37,920 --> 04:09:41,040
We got We've talked R1, R2, R4. I'm are

5889
04:09:41,040 --> 04:09:41,760
I'm

5890
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:43,520
>> all the ones there on the curve are are

5891
04:09:43,520 --> 04:09:45,120
R2 which are quarteracre lots.

5892
04:09:45,120 --> 04:09:46,560
>> Yeah, those small lots on the bottom of

5893
04:09:46,560 --> 04:09:48,479
the picture there on the bottom right.

5894
04:09:48,479 --> 04:09:51,840
Those are quarteracre lots.

5895
04:09:51,840 --> 04:09:53,120
>> You don't see it very clearly.

5896
04:09:53,120 --> 04:09:54,720
>> I I feel like the maybe I'm wrong. I

5897
04:09:54,720 --> 04:09:56,319
feel like the question was about how

5898
04:09:56,319 --> 04:09:58,000
many houses per acre.

5899
04:09:58,000 --> 04:10:00,080
>> Yeah, it's four R2 is four units an

5900
04:10:00,080 --> 04:10:02,080
acre. And he asked what size are the

5901
04:10:02,080 --> 04:10:04,239
lots on Shepard? And I think the answer

5902
04:10:04,239 --> 04:10:06,960
is it's all over the map. You have large

5903
04:10:06,960 --> 04:10:09,199
lots, you have small lots. Yeah. In this

5904
04:10:09,199 --> 04:10:10,960
particular area, you have some you have

5905
04:10:10,960 --> 04:10:12,800
some quarter acre lots, and then

5906
04:10:12,800 --> 04:10:14,399
literally across the street got two and

5907
04:10:14,399 --> 04:10:15,439
three acre parcels.

5908
04:10:15,439 --> 04:10:16,560
>> And I think that's what I was looking

5909
04:10:16,560 --> 04:10:17,600
for. It's all over the map.

5910
04:10:17,600 --> 04:10:18,319
>> Yeah.

5911
04:10:18,319 --> 04:10:19,199
>> All right.

5912
04:10:19,199 --> 04:10:21,040
>> Above the minimum.

5913
04:10:21,040 --> 04:10:22,160
>> Yeah. Mr.

5914
04:10:22,160 --> 04:10:23,040
>> Because they're building above the

5915
04:10:23,040 --> 04:10:23,439
minimum.

5916
04:10:23,439 --> 04:10:23,920
>> Yeah.

5917
04:10:23,920 --> 04:10:26,080
>> Uh Mr. Look, any questions for Mr. M?

5918
04:10:26,080 --> 04:10:26,479
>> No.

5919
04:10:26,479 --> 04:10:29,279
>> I I'll tell I'll say this to you and I I should have probably said this the

5920
04:10:29,279 --> 04:10:32,399
previous one, but it didn't come up. You brought up uh West Claremont

5921
04:10:32,399 --> 04:10:33,920
schools. Y'all can bring up West

5922
04:10:33,920 --> 04:10:36,399
Claremont schools. We however are not

5923
04:10:36,399 --> 04:10:37,920
allowed to. Now in our brain we can

5924
04:10:37,920 --> 04:10:41,600
think whatever we want but we cannot

5925
04:10:41,600 --> 04:10:44,080
speak about making a decision based off

5926
04:10:44,080 --> 04:10:46,080
anything and take the schools into

5927
04:10:46,080 --> 04:10:47,680
account that's out of our purview. We're

5928
04:10:47,680 --> 04:10:50,000
not allowed to. So we might think it.

5929
04:10:50,000 --> 04:10:50,239
Yeah.

5930
04:10:50,239 --> 04:10:52,160
>> And but but regardless we cannot talk

5931
04:10:52,160 --> 04:10:53,439
about oh overcrowding the schools

5932
04:10:53,439 --> 04:10:54,880
therefore I'm going to vote no. I just

5933
04:10:54,880 --> 04:10:56,560
broke the rules and I can't do that.

5934
04:10:56,560 --> 04:10:58,720
Just just so you know. So you all can

5935
04:10:58,720 --> 04:11:00,479
but we cannot. So for what it's worth.

5936
04:11:00,479 --> 04:11:03,199
So Mr. Burch good job. Appreciate you

5937
04:11:03,199 --> 04:11:04,800
very much. Yeah. Thank you. And then uh

5938
04:11:04,800 --> 04:11:06,720
hey uh Mr. Taylor, will you take note

5939
04:11:06,720 --> 04:11:08,399
that Shephard uh he's saying it's too

5940
04:11:08,399 --> 04:11:10,720
narrow. Uh if we could somehow put that

5941
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:12,399
in the budget in the future. I don't

5942
04:11:12,399 --> 04:11:14,000
know what when, but in the future. Also

5943
04:11:14,000 --> 04:11:15,760
snow plows as well. Have you heard that?

5944
04:11:15,760 --> 04:11:17,120
Just saying, "Hey, the street doesn't

5945
04:11:17,120 --> 04:11:18,800
get as plowed as much as it should." I

5946
04:11:18,800 --> 04:11:20,080
don't know. I don't live on Shepard, but

5947
04:11:20,080 --> 04:11:22,160
still just uh just just check it out.

5948
04:11:22,160 --> 04:11:23,439
>> All good. Thank you, Mr. B. Appreciate

5949
04:11:23,439 --> 04:11:24,319
you.

5950
04:11:24,319 --> 04:11:26,160
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that is an

5951
04:11:26,160 --> 04:11:27,359
opponent of this case that's against

5952
04:11:27,359 --> 04:11:28,800
this case that like to talk? Yes, miss.

5953
04:11:28,800 --> 04:11:30,640
I saw you first and then sir, I saw you

5954
04:11:30,640 --> 04:11:31,520
getting ready to get up. I'll call you

5955
04:11:31,520 --> 04:11:33,040
on next. But no, Miss Come on up. You're

5956
04:11:33,040 --> 04:11:38,870
first.

5957
04:11:38,880 --> 04:11:40,960
All right. Oh, very nice of you, Mr.

5958
04:11:40,960 --> 04:11:42,720
Campbell. Appreciate that. All right.

5959
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:46,389
Let me swear you in.

5960
04:11:46,399 --> 04:11:47,760
Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth,

5961
04:11:47,760 --> 04:11:49,199
the whole truth, and but the truth of be

5962
04:11:49,199 --> 04:11:49,520
God?

5963
04:11:49,520 --> 04:11:49,920
>> I do.

5964
04:11:49,920 --> 04:11:51,359
>> Great. Floor is yours, Mr. Name and

5965
04:11:51,359 --> 04:11:52,160
address for the record.

5966
04:11:52,160 --> 04:11:55,040
>> Um, my name is Tanya uh Buts Hamilton. I

5967
04:11:55,040 --> 04:12:01,520
live at 4733 Shepard Road. And um I a

5968
04:12:01,520 --> 04:12:02,880
lot of my questions were already

5969
04:12:02,880 --> 04:12:04,399
answered just listening to what other

5970
04:12:04,399 --> 04:12:06,160
people said and what your response was

5971
04:12:06,160 --> 04:12:10,399
to it. Um but first let me say I'm not

5972
04:12:10,399 --> 04:12:12,800
opposed to development there. I'm just

5973
04:12:12,800 --> 04:12:17,040
opposed to the R for development there.

5974
04:12:17,040 --> 04:12:19,760
Um one of the problems I found when I

5975
04:12:19,760 --> 04:12:21,840
went to the zoning meeting is they tried

5976
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:25,600
to tell us that their rationale be

5977
04:12:25,600 --> 04:12:28,399
behind it being

5978
04:12:28,399 --> 04:12:32,319
acceptable to go to R4 was that the the

5979
04:12:32,319 --> 04:12:34,800
population density would be the same as

5980
04:12:34,800 --> 04:12:38,080
if it was developed as R2. They tried to

5981
04:12:38,080 --> 04:12:41,920
say that 20 houses would go in on R2 or

5982
04:12:41,920 --> 04:12:44,880
could. And I said, you know, I I I

5983
04:12:44,880 --> 04:12:49,279
actually wrote a letter to each of the uh trustees. I don't know if you got

5984
04:12:49,279 --> 04:12:51,439
them, but I said, you know, just suppose

5985
04:12:51,439 --> 04:12:53,520
I'm a developer.

5986
04:12:53,520 --> 04:12:56,000
I would also have to allow access road

5987
04:12:56,000 --> 04:12:59,520
and a drainage right I said so I try to

5988
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,279
say that at most they're probably going

5989
04:13:01,279 --> 04:13:04,080
to get 12 houses in maybe depending on

5990
04:13:04,080 --> 04:13:06,159
upon the configuration of that lot maybe

5991
04:13:06,159 --> 04:13:08,880
even as low as 10 so the argument that

5992
04:13:08,880 --> 04:13:11,840
they gave us that that 18 was better

5993
04:13:11,840 --> 04:13:15,120
than 20 actually is more in our favor

5994
04:13:15,120 --> 04:13:19,199
that 18 isn't as good as 10 you know so

5995
04:13:19,199 --> 04:13:22,800
and I do my lot is two acres the uh the

5996
04:13:22,800 --> 04:13:25,760
lady who lives behind me, uh, hers is

5997
04:13:25,760 --> 04:13:27,359
12.43

5998
04:13:27,359 --> 04:13:31,600
acres and that butts up against the

5999
04:13:31,600 --> 04:13:34,000
Cincinnati Nature Center. One of my

6000
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:37,600
greatest concerns was the decision

6001
04:13:37,600 --> 04:13:39,760
decisions that you make on this lot, how

6002
04:13:39,760 --> 04:13:41,279
is that going to affect all the other

6003
04:13:41,279 --> 04:13:43,840
green spaces and developments back

6004
04:13:43,840 --> 04:13:46,560
sheepard in the future? Now I know that

6005
04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:48,560
doesn't set a precedence because you

6006
04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:50,640
have to take each lot into consideration

6007
04:13:50,640 --> 04:13:53,920
on its own merits or its own what topog

6008
04:13:53,920 --> 04:13:59,359
you know um but if you allow this R4 to

6009
04:13:59,359 --> 04:14:01,680
go into place it's got to make

6010
04:14:01,680 --> 04:14:04,000
somebody's argument easier in the future

6011
04:14:04,000 --> 04:14:05,680
for saying well you've done it before

6012
04:14:05,680 --> 04:14:07,600
you did it up here look at the number

6013
04:14:07,600 --> 04:14:09,120
just like you were asking how big are

6014
04:14:09,120 --> 04:14:11,199
the existing lots well somebody's going

6015
04:14:11,199 --> 04:14:13,600
to say how big are the existing lots I'm

6016
04:14:13,600 --> 04:14:16,239
one of the people that actually brought this to the attention of the

6017
04:14:16,239 --> 04:14:18,399
Cincinnati Nature Center and they seemed

6018
04:14:18,399 --> 04:14:21,439
to be quite interested in it and um I

6019
04:14:21,439 --> 04:14:23,680
used to know Bob TR and he had told me a

6020
04:14:23,680 --> 04:14:26,399
story about one acre of land that his

6021
04:14:26,399 --> 04:14:29,199
client had that was undevelopable he

6022
04:14:29,199 --> 04:14:31,760
said and they wanted him to approach the

6023
04:14:31,760 --> 04:14:33,199
nature center and see if they were

6024
04:14:33,199 --> 04:14:35,760
interested purchasing it and he said oh

6025
04:14:35,760 --> 04:14:37,199
I didn't think they would be interested

6026
04:14:37,199 --> 04:14:39,840
but they were he says anything that that

6027
04:14:39,840 --> 04:14:42,319
prevents future development helps to

6028
04:14:42,319 --> 04:14:44,560
prevent future groundwater contamination

6029
04:14:44,560 --> 04:14:47,439
and maintain their ecosystem. Now, are

6030
04:14:47,439 --> 04:14:49,359
where we're at there, we are right on

6031
04:14:49,359 --> 04:14:51,040
the nature center. So, the things that

6032
04:14:51,040 --> 04:14:54,080
you do here, might they influence things

6033
04:14:54,080 --> 04:14:56,239
in the future? And you know, my dad

6034
04:14:56,239 --> 04:14:57,600
played at the nature center when he was

6035
04:14:57,600 --> 04:14:59,600
a kid. We're talking 70ome years ago.

6036
04:14:59,600 --> 04:15:01,120
So, 50 years from now is not

6037
04:15:01,120 --> 04:15:03,760
inconceivable. And you would hate to say

6038
04:15:03,760 --> 04:15:05,439
50 years from now, boy, I wish we

6039
04:15:05,439 --> 04:15:06,560
wouldn't have allowed this much

6040
04:15:06,560 --> 04:15:08,319
development to go in around the nature

6041
04:15:08,319 --> 04:15:10,720
center, you know, but it's not too late

6042
04:15:10,720 --> 04:15:13,439
to make that decision now. Now, some of

6043
04:15:13,439 --> 04:15:15,520
those lots are actually almost a tenth

6044
04:15:15,520 --> 04:15:18,800
of an acre. You know, you also have the

6045
04:15:18,800 --> 04:15:21,760
uh uh Shephard Wood, I believe is the

6046
04:15:21,760 --> 04:15:23,920
name of the subdivision that is just

6047
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:26,000
beyond it. And those are some pretty

6048
04:15:26,000 --> 04:15:28,560
nice houses that went in back there. Um

6049
04:15:28,560 --> 04:15:30,479
uh that letter I also made sure we

6050
04:15:30,479 --> 04:15:32,080
distributed it to all those people

6051
04:15:32,080 --> 04:15:34,239
because I thought they wouldn't be too

6052
04:15:34,239 --> 04:15:36,319
appreciative to know that a a lower

6053
04:15:36,319 --> 04:15:38,479
income housing may be going in, you

6054
04:15:38,479 --> 04:15:40,800
know, up the street. Now, when I

6055
04:15:40,800 --> 04:15:43,279
initially they told us I had heard that

6056
04:15:43,279 --> 04:15:45,680
it was going to be like 260,000

6057
04:15:45,680 --> 04:15:47,680
was going to be the approximate value of

6058
04:15:47,680 --> 04:15:50,800
those houses that were going in. And um

6059
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:52,960
luckily I got to speak with Tyler Gibbs

6060
04:15:52,960 --> 04:15:55,120
at the break we had which he real nice

6061
04:15:55,120 --> 04:15:58,000
guy. Um and I'm not again I'm not

6062
04:15:58,000 --> 04:15:59,920
opposed to development and I'm not

6063
04:15:59,920 --> 04:16:01,680
opposed to him being successful. From

6064
04:16:01,680 --> 04:16:04,159
what I understand, his purchase of that

6065
04:16:04,159 --> 04:16:06,479
property, and I can't swear to this

6066
04:16:06,479 --> 04:16:08,000
because I haven't seen the contract, is

6067
04:16:08,000 --> 04:16:10,239
contingent upon the changing of the

6068
04:16:10,239 --> 04:16:13,359
zoning. There's also other offers on

6069
04:16:13,359 --> 04:16:16,159
this property to the owner, seller of

6070
04:16:16,159 --> 04:16:18,000
that property, which would then clean up

6071
04:16:18,000 --> 04:16:20,239
that house that's there. So, that isn't

6072
04:16:20,239 --> 04:16:23,199
Yeah. shouldn't sway one way or another.

6073
04:16:23,199 --> 04:16:27,040
Um, so if he were not to if you were not

6074
04:16:27,040 --> 04:16:29,279
to change the zoning, he isn't out

6075
04:16:29,279 --> 04:16:30,479
anything. he's just got to look for

6076
04:16:30,479 --> 04:16:32,159
another property that's going to meet

6077
04:16:32,159 --> 04:16:34,399
the criteria and the zoning of whatever

6078
04:16:34,399 --> 04:16:37,040
he wishes to make the profit margin that

6079
04:16:37,040 --> 04:16:40,720
they'd like to on. Um now then I heard

6080
04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:42,800
earlier they were saying for $300 to

6081
04:16:42,800 --> 04:16:45,920
$500,000 homes. Who's going to buy a

6082
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:47,439
$500,000

6083
04:16:47,439 --> 04:16:49,520
home on a 10th acre lot on Shephard

6084
04:16:49,520 --> 04:16:52,479
Road? I think that was uh yeah, somebody

6085
04:16:52,479 --> 04:16:55,680
that doesn't sound accurate to me. Um

6086
04:16:55,680 --> 04:16:59,040
and so

6087
04:16:59,040 --> 04:17:00,960
you know I also question the

6088
04:17:00,960 --> 04:17:03,279
infrastructure on that road you know not

6089
04:17:03,279 --> 04:17:05,600
just the how wide it is because it is

6090
04:17:05,600 --> 04:17:09,520
narrow um is we have had so much repair

6091
04:17:09,520 --> 04:17:12,080
of the water sewer lines constantly

6092
04:17:12,080 --> 04:17:14,960
redigging up there because it's all old

6093
04:17:14,960 --> 04:17:17,520
you know and so you're adding more

6094
04:17:17,520 --> 04:17:20,080
development into it and and because

6095
04:17:20,080 --> 04:17:21,760
we've already called them like five

6096
04:17:21,760 --> 04:17:23,760
times to come out with a sewage leakage

6097
04:17:23,760 --> 04:17:25,359
that they've redone dug up right in

6098
04:17:25,359 --> 04:17:27,359
front of my house. You I'm all the way

6099
04:17:27,359 --> 04:17:28,720
back around the corner. If you go there

6100
04:17:28,720 --> 04:17:30,800
on the the pretty blue house on the the

6101
04:17:30,800 --> 04:17:33,199
left hand side and that was my

6102
04:17:33,199 --> 04:17:34,960
grandfather's house. I've lived there,

6103
04:17:34,960 --> 04:17:41,600
caught the bus there my entire life. And one older gentleman here had said

6104
04:17:41,600 --> 04:17:44,720
something about they put, you know, they

6105
04:17:44,720 --> 04:17:47,359
zoned it for a reason. Who decides that

6106
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:49,439
now we don't want to maintain the

6107
04:17:49,439 --> 04:17:53,897
zoning? Um, and I understand developing

6108
04:17:53,897 --> 04:17:58,000
[clears throat] and but it's it's zoned,

6109
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:00,319
you know, I don't see the benefit of of

6110
04:18:00,319 --> 04:18:03,040
going to R4, you know, other than it

6111
04:18:03,040 --> 04:18:04,880
benefiting the developer that he's going

6112
04:18:04,880 --> 04:18:06,239
to make the profit margin that he's

6113
04:18:06,239 --> 04:18:08,080
looking for. It's certainly not develop,

6114
04:18:08,080 --> 04:18:11,439
you know, helping me, my family. Uh, you

6115
04:18:11,439 --> 04:18:13,840
know, if it I just put an $80,000 room

6116
04:18:13,840 --> 04:18:16,239
addition on my house back there and

6117
04:18:16,239 --> 04:18:17,920
it's, you know, my kids are going to

6118
04:18:17,920 --> 04:18:20,239
inherit this, my grandkids, and yeah,

6119
04:18:20,239 --> 04:18:24,960
this affects the future. So, um I I know

6120
04:18:24,960 --> 04:18:29,520
that and I can't say that, but that that

6121
04:18:29,520 --> 04:18:31,920
particular company in question that was

6122
04:18:31,920 --> 04:18:34,239
buying this also worked with the Chamber

6123
04:18:34,239 --> 04:18:35,520
of Commerce on a lot of different

6124
04:18:35,520 --> 04:18:37,680
projects. He even helped on developing

6125
04:18:37,680 --> 04:18:39,920
their offices. There's on his website

6126
04:18:39,920 --> 04:18:41,279
the Chamber of Commerce is saying,

6127
04:18:41,279 --> 04:18:42,880
"Thank you for helping us, you know,

6128
04:18:42,880 --> 04:18:44,640
with the developing of." So, it just

6129
04:18:44,640 --> 04:18:48,080
makes you wonder, you know, does he know

6130
04:18:48,080 --> 04:18:49,840
somebody so he's got a better chance to

6131
04:18:49,840 --> 04:18:53,680
get this to persuade you that way. I

6132
04:18:53,680 --> 04:18:56,880
certainly hope not, you know. Um, and

6133
04:18:56,880 --> 04:19:00,640
then also, um, oh, there was one other

6134
04:19:00,640 --> 04:19:02,640
thing I was going to the the property

6135
04:19:02,640 --> 04:19:05,040
values, you know, if they go in, it's

6136
04:19:05,040 --> 04:19:07,760
going to affect all of us, uh, over the

6137
04:19:07,760 --> 04:19:14,000
next 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. Um

6138
04:19:14,000 --> 04:19:17,040
and um oh and and just one other little

6139
04:19:17,040 --> 04:19:19,680
comment that I wanted to make about how

6140
04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:23,199
we all got notified about this and uh if

6141
04:19:23,199 --> 04:19:24,880
it wouldn't have been somebody coming

6142
04:19:24,880 --> 04:19:27,439
around and trying to sign a petition

6143
04:19:27,439 --> 04:19:32,479
because there was 125 names on it and um

6144
04:19:32,479 --> 04:19:35,439
I wouldn't have known about it and and

6145
04:19:35,439 --> 04:19:38,080
they did stay within their guidelines

6146
04:19:38,080 --> 04:19:40,000
that they had to notify the people that

6147
04:19:40,000 --> 04:19:42,399
were adjacent and across the street and

6148
04:19:42,399 --> 04:19:44,080
whatever. But I also found out that

6149
04:19:44,080 --> 04:19:46,560
Kevin Syler got a letter and he lives

6150
04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:48,319
down even further down the road than I

6151
04:19:48,319 --> 04:19:50,560
did. So, how is it that he got a letter

6152
04:19:50,560 --> 04:19:52,319
of notification, but I didn't? Are you

6153
04:19:52,319 --> 04:19:53,600
picking and choosing who you're giving

6154
04:19:53,600 --> 04:19:56,319
them to? I mean, that kind of lends

6155
04:19:56,319 --> 04:19:58,720
itself to think that there's impropriy

6156
04:19:58,720 --> 04:20:01,040
to that. I mean, was it overlooked? Was

6157
04:20:01,040 --> 04:20:04,399
it uh, you know, neglect? Was it got

6158
04:20:04,399 --> 04:20:07,520
lost in the mail? Uh, or is somebody

6159
04:20:07,520 --> 04:20:09,040
doing something that they didn't want

6160
04:20:09,040 --> 04:20:10,640
everybody to get jump on board with

6161
04:20:10,640 --> 04:20:13,040
this? because I think or what I'm saying

6162
04:20:13,040 --> 04:20:15,439
is in the future I think that if it's

6163
04:20:15,439 --> 04:20:18,720
going to affect everyone on that street, should have

6164
04:20:18,720 --> 04:20:21,920
received notification and they did not.

6165
04:20:21,920 --> 04:20:25,199
So, and so that means I think that not

6166
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:27,520
just this one, any other one. Is there a

6167
04:20:27,520 --> 04:20:29,359
way to change that so that if it, you

6168
04:20:29,359 --> 04:20:30,560
know, everybody that lives on that

6169
04:20:30,560 --> 04:20:32,640
residential street if there's zoning on

6170
04:20:32,640 --> 04:20:34,319
it being changed, I think everybody on

6171
04:20:34,319 --> 04:20:35,359
that residential [clears throat] street

6172
04:20:35,359 --> 04:20:35,920
should receive.

6173
04:20:35,920 --> 04:20:36,960
>> We hear you on that.

6174
04:20:36,960 --> 04:20:38,800
>> That's my recommendation for future.

6175
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:40,319
That was that was one thing this board

6176
04:20:40,319 --> 04:20:43,680
was able to take initial action on um

6177
04:20:43,680 --> 04:20:46,239
was exactly that concept because it it

6178
04:20:46,239 --> 04:20:47,680
did used to just be the adjacent

6179
04:20:47,680 --> 04:20:48,800
property and we

6180
04:20:48,800 --> 04:20:52,560
>> we pushed for it to be widely expanded.

6181
04:20:52,560 --> 04:20:52,880
>> Yes.

6182
04:20:52,880 --> 04:20:55,199
>> Uh so that people do receive letters and

6183
04:20:55,199 --> 04:20:57,199
that signage goes out. There should be

6184
04:20:57,199 --> 04:20:59,920
the postings that are out.

6185
04:20:59,920 --> 04:21:02,239
>> Um and so that I mean that's that's

6186
04:21:02,239 --> 04:21:04,080
tough when you start to say how far do

6187
04:21:04,080 --> 04:21:06,720
you go? Is it two miles radius? Is it

6188
04:21:06,720 --> 04:21:08,239
you know quarter mile? We had that

6189
04:21:08,239 --> 04:21:11,040
discussion literally dead in road in

6190
04:21:11,040 --> 04:21:13,359
Claremont County or Union Township. One

6191
04:21:13,359 --> 04:21:15,520
of our friends is a postman. He was

6192
04:21:15,520 --> 04:21:16,560
telling me that

6193
04:21:16,560 --> 04:21:18,080
>> we end up doing that. We end, you know,

6194
04:21:18,080 --> 04:21:19,920
we end up saying here it is, you know,

6195
04:21:19,920 --> 04:21:22,080
shepherd and and then we turn around at

6196
04:21:22,080 --> 04:21:24,880
Kluff Pike and and everyone at Clike

6197
04:21:24,880 --> 04:21:27,359
says I didn't get a letter like well

6198
04:21:27,359 --> 04:21:28,080
Pike's this long.

6199
04:21:28,080 --> 04:21:29,520
>> I hadn't considered that. But

6200
04:21:29,520 --> 04:21:32,239
>> so I I appreciate I just it just upset

6201
04:21:32,239 --> 04:21:36,880
me. No, thank you so much. you know, and again, the the lady behind me is

6202
04:21:36,880 --> 04:21:38,720
getting ready to sell her property. It's

6203
04:21:38,720 --> 04:21:41,680
12.4 acres within this next six to nine

6204
04:21:41,680 --> 04:21:42,479
months,

6205
04:21:42,479 --> 04:21:44,399
>> and whatever happens back here, could

6206
04:21:44,399 --> 04:21:46,560
that influence how much could happen

6207
04:21:46,560 --> 04:21:48,880
behind me coming up in the not too

6208
04:21:48,880 --> 04:21:49,920
distant future. Yeah.

6209
04:21:49,920 --> 04:21:51,359
>> So, I've already contacted the nature

6210
04:21:51,359 --> 04:21:52,560
center. I think they're interested in

6211
04:21:52,560 --> 04:21:55,279
purchasing that, though. So, um and it

6212
04:21:55,279 --> 04:21:56,880
was because of all of this that it

6213
04:21:56,880 --> 04:21:58,080
brought it to my attention that I

6214
04:21:58,080 --> 04:22:00,159
started to get concern. Yeah. So, um,

6215
04:22:00,159 --> 04:22:01,920
beyond that, I don't think I have

6216
04:22:01,920 --> 04:22:03,439
anything else.

6217
04:22:03,439 --> 04:22:05,199
>> Thank you, Mr. Beer.

6218
04:22:05,199 --> 04:22:07,359
>> Oh, yeah. So, Mr. Flouty,

6219
04:22:07,359 --> 04:22:09,439
>> can you comment on the letters that went

6220
04:22:09,439 --> 04:22:12,560
out like how many residents or how far a

6221
04:22:12,560 --> 04:22:15,120
radius from the from the property?

6222
04:22:15,120 --> 04:22:17,359
>> So, we have a list and in the

6223
04:22:17,359 --> 04:22:19,279
>> if it's based on radius, somebody behind

6224
04:22:19,279 --> 04:22:21,840
me got one, even further down got one.

6225
04:22:21,840 --> 04:22:25,520
>> We can see the radius of 200 feet around

6226
04:22:25,520 --> 04:22:27,920
the property and that's who the letters

6227
04:22:27,920 --> 04:22:29,600
were sent to. 200 feet around the

6228
04:22:29,600 --> 04:22:30,159
property.

6229
04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:31,359
>> Yes.

6230
04:22:31,359 --> 04:22:32,800
>> Why would Mr. Syler not

6231
04:22:32,800 --> 04:22:34,720
>> That's what we decided on.

6232
04:22:34,720 --> 04:22:39,600
>> Yeah. That's Mr. Becker. That's that was per our decision to expand it

6233
04:22:39,600 --> 04:22:41,120
because it previously was just the next

6234
04:22:41,120 --> 04:22:42,239
door neighbor.

6235
04:22:42,239 --> 04:22:42,720
>> I remember that

6236
04:22:42,720 --> 04:22:44,640
>> and we wanted to be like the P person

6237
04:22:44,640 --> 04:22:46,239
across the street and we're like we had

6238
04:22:46,239 --> 04:22:48,239
that discussion this exact discussion

6239
04:22:48,239 --> 04:22:50,399
like it's going to be difficult because

6240
04:22:50,399 --> 04:22:52,080
>> we expanded from the original.

6241
04:22:52,080 --> 04:22:52,479
>> Yeah.

6242
04:22:52,479 --> 04:22:54,640
>> But Jason only remember

6243
04:22:54,640 --> 04:22:55,840
>> someone's always going to feel like they

6244
04:22:55,840 --> 04:22:57,279
missed a letter.

6245
04:22:57,279 --> 04:22:59,120
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Fl.

6246
04:22:59,120 --> 04:23:00,319
>> That's all I have. Chairman,

6247
04:23:00,319 --> 04:23:02,399
>> did you have anything for

6248
04:23:02,399 --> 04:23:04,880
>> No, I I do appreciate that. Thank you.

6249
04:23:04,880 --> 04:23:06,080
>> Thank you, miss. Appreciate you very

6250
04:23:06,080 --> 04:23:07,120
much.

6251
04:23:07,120 --> 04:23:08,640
>> Yeah. Okay. Is there anyone else that's

6252
04:23:08,640 --> 04:23:09,680
I said I was going to call you next,

6253
04:23:09,680 --> 04:23:11,760
sir? So, please. Yeah. No, I'm right

6254
04:23:11,760 --> 04:23:13,600
here in the front. Red shirt. Yes, sir.

6255
04:23:13,600 --> 04:23:15,760
Okay. Come on up.

6256
04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:18,319
>> Um, perfect.

6257
04:23:18,319 --> 04:23:19,680
>> Okay. And then, uh, Oh, you got your

6258
04:23:19,680 --> 04:23:23,040
card. Perfect. Yeah, Mr. M's fine.

6259
04:23:23,040 --> 04:23:25,439
Perfect. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yes.

6260
04:23:25,439 --> 04:23:28,000
Okay. All

6261
04:23:28,000 --> 04:23:30,720
right, let me go and swear you in. Uh,

6262
04:23:30,720 --> 04:23:31,840
you want to raise your right hand and do

6263
04:23:31,840 --> 04:23:32,800
you swear to tell the truth, the whole

6264
04:23:32,800 --> 04:23:34,000
truth, but they both know the truth. So

6265
04:23:34,000 --> 04:23:34,479
you got

6266
04:23:34,479 --> 04:23:36,399
>> I do. Then name and address for the

6267
04:23:36,399 --> 04:23:36,880
record, sir.

6268
04:23:36,880 --> 04:23:40,239
>> My name is Jeffrey Bond. I live at 4634

6269
04:23:40,239 --> 04:23:42,720
Sheepard Roadia,

6270
04:23:42,720 --> 04:23:47,349
obviously.

6271
04:23:47,359 --> 04:23:48,319
Good.

6272
04:23:48,319 --> 04:23:50,159
>> Now,

6273
04:23:50,159 --> 04:23:53,279
I raised zoning

6274
04:23:53,279 --> 04:23:55,600
at the zoning meeting. I raised several

6275
04:23:55,600 --> 04:24:00,239
concerns of mine and some of those have

6276
04:24:00,239 --> 04:24:03,359
even changed more.

6277
04:24:03,359 --> 04:24:05,359
The traffic,

6278
04:24:05,359 --> 04:24:10,000
that's one. And we're not talking about

6279
04:24:10,000 --> 04:24:13,199
36 cars.

6280
04:24:13,199 --> 04:24:16,159
If I had four sons and each one had a

6281
04:24:16,159 --> 04:24:19,840
car and my wife had a car and I had a

6282
04:24:19,840 --> 04:24:26,159
car. Okay, that's six times 18,

6283
04:24:26,159 --> 04:24:28,560
not two.

6284
04:24:28,560 --> 04:24:31,359
That's one. I drive down Shepard Road

6285
04:24:31,359 --> 04:24:35,120
every day. And it is narrow. And yes,

6286
04:24:35,120 --> 04:24:37,120
you do have to slow down. You do have to

6287
04:24:37,120 --> 04:24:39,840
move over. You're going to add another

6288
04:24:39,840 --> 04:24:43,840
60 cars to this.

6289
04:24:43,840 --> 04:24:48,710
That's one concern.

6290
04:24:48,720 --> 04:24:51,920
Someone raised the point that the

6291
04:24:51,920 --> 04:24:54,960
signatures that were gathered

6292
04:24:54,960 --> 04:24:59,359
was a ploy by a possible purchaser. I

6293
04:24:59,359 --> 04:25:01,920
disagree with that.

6294
04:25:01,920 --> 04:25:05,920
Mr. Crocker's daughter and his son live

6295
04:25:05,920 --> 04:25:08,720
adjacent to me.

6296
04:25:08,720 --> 04:25:11,359
Why wouldn't he be concerned

6297
04:25:11,359 --> 04:25:15,750
about this development?

6298
04:25:15,760 --> 04:25:18,880
I would be if they were my children. and

6299
04:25:18,880 --> 04:25:23,359
grandchildren. We have all kinds of

6300
04:25:23,359 --> 04:25:26,159
pedestrian traffic.

6301
04:25:26,159 --> 04:25:29,199
So now we have another concern.

6302
04:25:29,199 --> 04:25:32,239
And it's 35 miles an hour on a deadend

6303
04:25:32,239 --> 04:25:35,510
street.

6304
04:25:35,520 --> 04:25:38,640
They seldom drive 35. I guarantee you

6305
04:25:38,640 --> 04:25:41,359
that. I back into my driveway to make

6306
04:25:41,359 --> 04:25:46,229
sure I don't get hit.

6307
04:25:46,239 --> 04:25:48,880
Now, we'll talk about my newest concern.

6308
04:25:48,880 --> 04:25:53,279
I came up to the zoning and they were

6309
04:25:53,279 --> 04:25:57,830
gracious enough to print out

6310
04:25:57,840 --> 04:26:00,640
something that I hadn't been made aware

6311
04:26:00,640 --> 04:26:05,120
of at the zoning meeting. If I can

6312
04:26:05,120 --> 04:26:06,880
approach you for just a moment.

6313
04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:09,600
>> Sure. Yeah.

6314
04:26:09,600 --> 04:26:12,880
>> They printed this out for me

6315
04:26:12,880 --> 04:26:14,399
and it has

6316
04:26:14,399 --> 04:26:15,920
all the addresses on it. And

6317
04:26:15,920 --> 04:26:19,040
unfortunately, I only have one copy, but

6318
04:26:19,040 --> 04:26:22,239
my address is 4634.

6319
04:26:22,239 --> 04:26:26,560
And you will see that

6320
04:26:26,560 --> 04:26:28,960
this is my property.

6321
04:26:28,960 --> 04:26:32,479
Along my property line is a drainage

6322
04:26:32,479 --> 04:26:35,439
ditch creek.

6323
04:26:35,439 --> 04:26:38,960
It starts here. This is

6324
04:26:38,960 --> 04:26:42,080
Cindy's property, Mr. Crawford's

6325
04:26:42,080 --> 04:26:45,110
daughter.

6326
04:26:45,120 --> 04:26:48,080
That drainage creek

6327
04:26:48,080 --> 04:26:50,159
drains

6328
04:26:50,159 --> 04:26:53,269
everything

6329
04:26:53,279 --> 04:26:54,720
» all of this.

6330
04:26:54,720 --> 04:26:56,479
>> All of the development over here. All

6331
04:26:56,479 --> 04:26:58,319
the development over there

6332
04:26:58,319 --> 04:27:00,479
>> flows into this creek.

6333
04:27:00,479 --> 04:27:03,120
>> Go north.

6334
04:27:03,120 --> 04:27:04,239
>> That was a question. Does it go north?

6335
04:27:04,239 --> 04:27:05,680
>> Where does it go from there?

6336
04:27:05,680 --> 04:27:09,279
>> It goes back into the junkyard.

6337
04:27:09,279 --> 04:27:11,520
>> Is that north? Okay. Yes, it flows

6338
04:27:11,520 --> 04:27:12,800
north.

6339
04:27:12,800 --> 04:27:15,760
Now

6340
04:27:15,760 --> 04:27:20,239
>> on Friday, oh at my own expense,

6341
04:27:20,239 --> 04:27:23,120
>> because it was narrow,

6342
04:27:23,120 --> 04:27:25,760
I had it expanded

6343
04:27:25,760 --> 04:27:31,830
>> to slow the flow down.

6344
04:27:31,840 --> 04:27:34,800
» And again, I'm sorry I only have

6345
04:27:34,800 --> 04:27:35,840
>> these few pictures.

6346
04:27:35,840 --> 04:27:37,040
>> Yeah, I can imagine.

6347
04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:40,080
>> Friday last we had an unusual amount of

6348
04:27:40,080 --> 04:27:42,479
rain. I know you guys will all agree

6349
04:27:42,479 --> 04:27:44,159
with that.

6350
04:27:44,159 --> 04:27:47,120
So now

6351
04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:49,279
you don't see the creek

6352
04:27:49,279 --> 04:27:52,880
>> because it is flooded. It has flooded my

6353
04:27:52,880 --> 04:27:55,600
neighbor's yard. It flooded part of my

6354
04:27:55,600 --> 04:27:58,880
yard. Even though I expanded this just

6355
04:27:58,880 --> 04:28:00,960
so we could slow the flow down. What was

6356
04:28:00,960 --> 04:28:02,159
this picture taken?

6357
04:28:02,159 --> 04:28:03,040
>> Friday last.

6358
04:28:03,040 --> 04:28:04,239
>> Friday.

6359
04:28:04,239 --> 04:28:05,760
>> Remember we had like three inches of

6360
04:28:05,760 --> 04:28:08,319
rain in an hour and a half or whatever.

6361
04:28:08,319 --> 04:28:11,439
>> I've got this I've got this storm drain.

6362
04:28:11,439 --> 04:28:14,000
And I will not argue that we have no

6363
04:28:14,000 --> 04:28:16,080
storm drains on Shepherd Road.

6364
04:28:16,080 --> 04:28:17,840
>> It's every everything in my neighborhood

6365
04:28:17,840 --> 04:28:20,399
comes into mine and it shoots up into

6366
04:28:20,399 --> 04:28:20,880
the air.

6367
04:28:20,880 --> 04:28:22,640
>> Yeah. Well, it comes up in my basement a

6368
04:28:22,640 --> 04:28:25,120
little bit sometimes, too, because

6369
04:28:25,120 --> 04:28:26,640
>> everything drains in it. There's

6370
04:28:26,640 --> 04:28:27,359
>> exciting.

6371
04:28:27,359 --> 04:28:29,760
>> Oh, it's insane. So now it's you're

6372
04:28:29,760 --> 04:28:32,000
going to add 18 more houses that are

6373
04:28:32,000 --> 04:28:34,560
going to drain into my creek

6374
04:28:34,560 --> 04:28:38,790
according to

6375
04:28:38,800 --> 04:28:41,359
your zoning drawing.

6376
04:28:41,359 --> 04:28:43,439
>> Your house is where?

6377
04:28:43,439 --> 04:28:45,359
>> My house

6378
04:28:45,359 --> 04:28:47,439
is right here.

6379
04:28:47,439 --> 04:28:49,199
>> 4634.

6380
04:28:49,199 --> 04:28:53,670
>> So it runs right there.

6381
04:28:53,680 --> 04:28:55,760
» That's my newest concern. And that's

6382
04:28:55,760 --> 04:28:58,399
because of this.

6383
04:28:58,399 --> 04:28:59,680
the flooding.

6384
04:28:59,680 --> 04:29:00,159
>> Yeah.

6385
04:29:00,159 --> 04:29:02,479
>> That we had and it was an unusual rain.

6386
04:29:02,479 --> 04:29:04,080
But now you're going to add 18 more

6387
04:29:04,080 --> 04:29:06,800
houses, which is 18 more gutters, which

6388
04:29:06,800 --> 04:29:10,399
is 18 more basement drains, etc.

6389
04:29:10,399 --> 04:29:12,880
>> There's no storm storm sewers on

6390
04:29:12,880 --> 04:29:13,680
>> No, there are not.

6391
04:29:13,680 --> 04:29:14,720
>> Shepherd sir,

6392
04:29:14,720 --> 04:29:16,000
>> I did not know that. That's interesting.

6393
04:29:16,000 --> 04:29:18,880
>> No, sir. They're all um either front

6394
04:29:18,880 --> 04:29:22,640
yard drain and in fact when I had my Let

6395
04:29:22,640 --> 04:29:24,560
me go back.

6396
04:29:24,560 --> 04:29:27,680
When I had my driveway laptop,

6397
04:29:27,680 --> 04:29:30,000
the county engineer told me I had to

6398
04:29:30,000 --> 04:29:32,319
slope it so it would drain from the

6399
04:29:32,319 --> 04:29:35,439
street into the creek that runs on the

6400
04:29:35,439 --> 04:29:40,159
property line of my property management.

6401
04:29:40,159 --> 04:29:43,359
>> My other concern is the actual community

6402
04:29:43,359 --> 04:29:48,229
that we live in.

6403
04:29:48,239 --> 04:29:51,279
The vast majority of the houses on

6404
04:29:51,279 --> 04:29:56,640
Shephard Road have halfacre lots.

6405
04:29:56,640 --> 04:29:59,600
Not necessarily all. Some are larger,

6406
04:29:59,600 --> 04:30:02,000
very few are smaller.

6407
04:30:02,000 --> 04:30:05,199
So now we're going to put in housing on

6408
04:30:05,199 --> 04:30:09,269
8th acre lots.

6409
04:30:09,279 --> 04:30:12,319
So this is not going to fit in this

6410
04:30:12,319 --> 04:30:17,279
community. It won't look right.

6411
04:30:17,279 --> 04:30:20,239
It removes a lot of the privacy of

6412
04:30:20,239 --> 04:30:23,199
several of my neighbors.

6413
04:30:23,199 --> 04:30:25,760
They talk about expanding green space by

6414
04:30:25,760 --> 04:30:27,920
making it R4.

6415
04:30:27,920 --> 04:30:30,720
That's a wonderful concept

6416
04:30:30,720 --> 04:30:33,680
except that that's already

6417
04:30:33,680 --> 04:30:35,760
green space. And yes, I'd want it to be

6418
04:30:35,760 --> 04:30:39,840
developed, but not 18 houses.

6419
04:30:39,840 --> 04:30:42,479
Nine or 10 houses

6420
04:30:42,479 --> 04:30:46,000
would fit really nice. they would be

6421
04:30:46,000 --> 04:30:48,960
able to save a fair amount of the

6422
04:30:48,960 --> 04:30:54,159
existing old forest that's there

6423
04:30:54,159 --> 04:30:56,560
and still have development.

6424
04:30:56,560 --> 04:30:59,120
I'm not against the development at all.

6425
04:30:59,120 --> 04:31:01,279
I'm against the scale of the

6426
04:31:01,279 --> 04:31:03,920
development. And like I said, my newest

6427
04:31:03,920 --> 04:31:09,590
concern is the drainage on my property.

6428
04:31:09,600 --> 04:31:12,399
That's about all. Oh, one more thing.

6429
04:31:12,399 --> 04:31:16,239
These poor gentlemen here, they put the

6430
04:31:16,239 --> 04:31:18,399
development that they want. How are they

6431
04:31:18,399 --> 04:31:20,640
going to get in there to put out a fire

6432
04:31:20,640 --> 04:31:22,720
that has a house that's five feet next

6433
04:31:22,720 --> 04:31:25,439
to it? You're going to put three

6434
04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:28,000
firefighters and a ladder in between

6435
04:31:28,000 --> 04:31:31,199
there and drag the hose in? I don't

6436
04:31:31,199 --> 04:31:33,600
think so.

6437
04:31:33,600 --> 04:31:35,199
I don't think that would work at all.

6438
04:31:35,199 --> 04:31:38,159
And I don't believe the fire chief would

6439
04:31:38,159 --> 04:31:40,479
force those poor guys in there unless he

6440
04:31:40,479 --> 04:31:42,159
had no choice.

6441
04:31:42,159 --> 04:31:44,800
with the resoning that's being proposed,

6442
04:31:44,800 --> 04:31:46,640
he would have no choice.

6443
04:31:46,640 --> 04:31:47,760
>> Yeah.

6444
04:31:47,760 --> 04:31:49,120
>> Thank you, gentlemen.

6445
04:31:49,120 --> 04:31:52,080
>> Thank you, Mr.

6446
04:31:52,080 --> 04:31:54,800
M. Appreciate it. Thank you.

6447
04:31:54,800 --> 04:31:56,080
>> Is there anyone else that's an opponent

6448
04:31:56,080 --> 04:31:57,840
to this case? Sir, sir, come on up.

6449
04:31:57,840 --> 04:32:00,720
Yeah,

6450
04:32:00,720 --> 04:32:02,960
>> let me go swear you in. Yeah, you got

6451
04:32:02,960 --> 04:32:04,880
it.

6452
04:32:04,880 --> 04:32:08,720
>> I got you. Perfect. You're good.

6453
04:32:08,720 --> 04:32:10,479
All right, sir. And then uh let me go

6454
04:32:10,479 --> 04:32:12,399
and swear you in. Do you swear to tell

6455
04:32:12,399 --> 04:32:13,680
the truth, the whole truth, nothing but

6456
04:32:13,680 --> 04:32:14,560
the truth? So hopey God.

6457
04:32:14,560 --> 04:32:14,960
>> I do.

6458
04:32:14,960 --> 04:32:16,239
>> Great. Where's yours, sir?

6459
04:32:16,239 --> 04:32:18,880
>> My name is Richard Crocker. Live at 4630

6460
04:32:18,880 --> 04:32:19,760
Shepherd Road.

6461
04:32:19,760 --> 04:32:20,239
>> Yeah.

6462
04:32:20,239 --> 04:32:23,279
>> My daughter lives at 4631. My son lives

6463
04:32:23,279 --> 04:32:25,040
at 4632

6464
04:32:25,040 --> 04:32:27,920
and also on 4642.

6465
04:32:27,920 --> 04:32:30,640
That is the salvage yard.

6466
04:32:30,640 --> 04:32:32,319
Uh

6467
04:32:32,319 --> 04:32:34,479
it's just too many houses for a small

6468
04:32:34,479 --> 04:32:37,680
space. I guess my first question is in

6469
04:32:37,680 --> 04:32:39,520
the R2

6470
04:32:39,520 --> 04:32:41,920
quarter acre lots.

6471
04:32:41,920 --> 04:32:44,000
They argued that you could put 20 houses

6472
04:32:44,000 --> 04:32:46,159
on that land.

6473
04:32:46,159 --> 04:32:47,760
We still got to deduct for the black

6474
04:32:47,760 --> 04:32:52,479
top, pension ponds, SIBO area. So now,

6475
04:32:52,479 --> 04:32:54,880
how many houses can they put? They're

6476
04:32:54,880 --> 04:32:56,399
not required to show that because that's

6477
04:32:56,399 --> 04:32:57,920
not his plan.

6478
04:32:57,920 --> 04:33:00,479
>> But I think there's a there's a method.

6479
04:33:00,479 --> 04:33:02,560
It's probably, like they said, nine or

6480
04:33:02,560 --> 04:33:05,600
10. So if it was quarter acre lot

6481
04:33:05,600 --> 04:33:07,760
houses, you just raise the price a

6482
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:08,799
little bit.

6483
04:33:08,799 --> 04:33:11,600
he would still get his profit margin.

6484
04:33:11,600 --> 04:33:14,400
Uh at the 18 houses proposed, he's

6485
04:33:14,400 --> 04:33:17,439
probably at a $10 million project. I

6486
04:33:17,439 --> 04:33:20,639
don't know if um got it down to quarter

6487
04:33:20,639 --> 04:33:24,561
acre lots, say 10 houses,

6488
04:33:24,561 --> 04:33:26,400
probably wouldn't be that far off. The

6489
04:33:26,400 --> 04:33:27,760
price got raised a little bit. They

6490
04:33:27,760 --> 04:33:30,799
would still sell. That's what I want. I

6491
04:33:30,799 --> 04:33:34,000
want less houses, more land. The green

6492
04:33:34,000 --> 04:33:36,000
space would be the yards that would

6493
04:33:36,000 --> 04:33:38,080
absorb the water.

6494
04:33:38,080 --> 04:33:39,680
instead of so many gutters, so many

6495
04:33:39,680 --> 04:33:43,039
shank, so many roofs. Uh, yeah, there's

6496
04:33:43,039 --> 04:33:44,400
going to be a storm sewer on that

6497
04:33:44,400 --> 04:33:46,480
property. There's going to be a storm

6498
04:33:46,480 --> 04:33:47,920
sewer and it's going to have pipes going

6499
04:33:47,920 --> 04:33:49,600
to the detention ponds, the water

6500
04:33:49,600 --> 04:33:51,680
holding areas. It's got to go out

6501
04:33:51,680 --> 04:33:53,359
eventually. So, there is going to be a

6502
04:33:53,359 --> 04:33:55,600
water problem. It's just too many houses

6503
04:33:55,600 --> 04:34:00,561
on a small lot. Just too many. It's just

6504
04:34:00,561 --> 04:34:02,080
How would you like to have 18 houses pop

6505
04:34:02,080 --> 04:34:04,400
up in your backyard? And, you know, I

6506
04:34:04,400 --> 04:34:06,320
own the land right next to it. My

6507
04:34:06,320 --> 04:34:08,480
daughter lives there. Yes, she's going

6508
04:34:08,480 --> 04:34:11,119
to request she request him to put up a

6509
04:34:11,119 --> 04:34:13,840
fence if that's if that goes through

6510
04:34:13,840 --> 04:34:16,959
tonight. She's sitting right there. She

6511
04:34:16,959 --> 04:34:20,709
would like to have a fence

6512
04:34:20,719 --> 04:34:23,199
instead of trees.

6513
04:34:23,199 --> 04:34:24,480
She don't want people looking at her.

6514
04:34:24,480 --> 04:34:25,680
She don't want to look at nobody, I

6515
04:34:25,680 --> 04:34:31,439
guess. So, she would like a fence. Um,

6516
04:34:31,439 --> 04:34:32,799
I did go around and get all the

6517
04:34:32,799 --> 04:34:34,320
signatures

6518
04:34:34,320 --> 04:34:36,160
because

6519
04:34:36,160 --> 04:34:38,080
My first thought was when Kevin Sal

6520
04:34:38,080 --> 04:34:41,199
shared the the letter with me, it's too

6521
04:34:41,199 --> 04:34:43,760
many houses. Yeah. And the fire marshall

6522
04:34:43,760 --> 04:34:45,920
should speak, but he won't because he'd

6523
04:34:45,920 --> 04:34:49,119
lose his job. Too close together. One

6524
04:34:49,119 --> 04:34:51,920
cow's catching on fire and they're 12

6525
04:34:51,920 --> 04:34:54,080
feet apart. And I realized it's five

6526
04:34:54,080 --> 04:34:56,160
feet and five. That's 10. But it's

6527
04:34:56,160 --> 04:34:57,840
probably more like six and six. It' be

6528
04:34:57,840 --> 04:34:59,840
12.

6529
04:34:59,840 --> 04:35:01,760
Burn them all down. How would you get

6530
04:35:01,760 --> 04:35:04,240
there in time? That's one. That's

6531
04:35:04,240 --> 04:35:06,400
another thing. I'm not very good at

6532
04:35:06,400 --> 04:35:07,760
talking places like this, but

6533
04:35:07,760 --> 04:35:09,199
>> that's okay. You're good.

6534
04:35:09,199 --> 04:35:12,799
>> This is just wrong. It's just too many.

6535
04:35:12,799 --> 04:35:15,600
I'm not I'm not against developing. I'm

6536
04:35:15,600 --> 04:35:17,760
against overdeveloping. And this is a

6537
04:35:17,760 --> 04:35:20,879
prime case of overdeveloping. It's just

6538
04:35:20,879 --> 04:35:23,039
too many.

6539
04:35:23,039 --> 04:35:24,639
Yeah, I'm happy that they've got it

6540
04:35:24,639 --> 04:35:26,320
sold.

6541
04:35:26,320 --> 04:35:29,039
No big deal. Did I make an offer on it?

6542
04:35:29,039 --> 04:35:32,240
I did. Didn't get it. I'm good. I'm not

6543
04:35:32,240 --> 04:35:35,349
mad about that.

6544
04:35:35,359 --> 04:35:38,480
It's too many houses. It's too many.

6545
04:35:38,480 --> 04:35:40,639
>> There should be an amendment, an

6546
04:35:40,639 --> 04:35:43,359
adjustment. And how can I force them to

6547
04:35:43,359 --> 04:35:45,119
show the the drawing? You know, you

6548
04:35:45,119 --> 04:35:47,119
can't put 20 houses there. It ain't like

6549
04:35:47,119 --> 04:35:50,799
if you had 20 quarter acre lots parallel

6550
04:35:50,799 --> 04:35:52,799
with the street.

6551
04:35:52,799 --> 04:35:55,199
That'd be five acres. And everybody

6552
04:35:55,199 --> 04:35:57,039
entered Shepherd from sheep from

6553
04:35:57,039 --> 04:35:59,359
Shepherd Road to their house. That would

6554
04:35:59,359 --> 04:36:02,240
be what you're trying to say. 20 houses

6555
04:36:02,240 --> 04:36:05,920
on five acres quarter acre at a time.

6556
04:36:05,920 --> 04:36:07,760
If you deduct for the streets, deduct

6557
04:36:07,760 --> 04:36:09,680
for all the other things, you're going

6558
04:36:09,680 --> 04:36:11,840
to get 20 houses in there on R2. It's

6559
04:36:11,840 --> 04:36:14,959
going to be more like 10.

6560
04:36:14,959 --> 04:36:17,359
So that's this is an upgrade. This is

6561
04:36:17,359 --> 04:36:21,680
not a downgrade from 20 to 18. This is

6562
04:36:21,680 --> 04:36:24,480
not a downgrade. We are not getting uh a

6563
04:36:24,480 --> 04:36:26,000
bone thrown to us here. We're not

6564
04:36:26,000 --> 04:36:28,160
getting something special. It's an

6565
04:36:28,160 --> 04:36:30,879
upgrade.

6566
04:36:30,879 --> 04:36:32,480
I realize they got to make a profit. I

6567
04:36:32,480 --> 04:36:34,080
realize they got to make money. If you

6568
04:36:34,080 --> 04:36:35,920
spend money, you deserve to make money.

6569
04:36:35,920 --> 04:36:38,240
Not not not mad about that. That's all

6570
04:36:38,240 --> 04:36:39,760
good.

6571
04:36:39,760 --> 04:36:42,400
But it's just too many houses for for

6572
04:36:42,400 --> 04:36:44,240
where it's going. And it's a dead end

6573
04:36:44,240 --> 04:36:47,199
street. It's one way in, one way out. Uh

6574
04:36:47,199 --> 04:36:48,799
I drive a big truck up down that road

6575
04:36:48,799 --> 04:36:52,879
every day. Every day. A Mac truck. I get

6576
04:36:52,879 --> 04:36:55,600
over and stop for people. I wave. I

6577
04:36:55,600 --> 04:36:56,799
thank them. You know what I mean? For

6578
04:36:56,799 --> 04:37:00,080
giving me space. Shepherd Road is a real

6579
04:37:00,080 --> 04:37:04,000
weird entrance and exit. There's trees.

6580
04:37:04,000 --> 04:37:05,520
There's telephone poles at the bright at

6581
04:37:05,520 --> 04:37:07,439
the corner. I've touched them many times

6582
04:37:07,439 --> 04:37:10,719
with semi trailers. Okay. It's just

6583
04:37:10,719 --> 04:37:13,039
tight. It's It's just wrong to keep

6584
04:37:13,039 --> 04:37:17,039
adding more housing and that many.

6585
04:37:17,039 --> 04:37:19,439
And eventually there's like Elmer

6586
04:37:19,439 --> 04:37:22,480
Griggsby owns 35 acres.

6587
04:37:22,480 --> 04:37:25,600
He's 93 years old. I mean, my place

6588
04:37:25,600 --> 04:37:26,639
ain't never going to get developed.

6589
04:37:26,639 --> 04:37:28,561
Who'd want that?

6590
04:37:28,561 --> 04:37:30,561
>> You know, who'd want that? It ain't

6591
04:37:30,561 --> 04:37:32,160
never going to get developed. It's only

6592
04:37:32,160 --> 04:37:34,719
got a 20 foot entry by about 150, 200

6593
04:37:34,719 --> 04:37:36,639
feet and it's 8 and a half acres back

6594
04:37:36,639 --> 04:37:38,000
there. But who'd want to develop that?

6595
04:37:38,000 --> 04:37:40,480
Nobody. So, I know that my son's taking

6596
04:37:40,480 --> 04:37:44,561
it when I'm gone. I'm good with that.

6597
04:37:44,561 --> 04:37:46,320
It's just It's just too many for the

6598
04:37:46,320 --> 04:37:50,160
spot. So, keep it. Please keep it R2. It

6599
04:37:50,160 --> 04:37:53,359
will adjust. He'll still make money. It

6600
04:37:53,359 --> 04:37:55,680
will adjust. what is the exact number of

6601
04:37:55,680 --> 04:37:58,320
houses when he redraws it and and you

6602
04:37:58,320 --> 04:38:00,480
know he's drawn it three or four

6603
04:38:00,480 --> 04:38:03,039
different ways when he looked at it to

6604
04:38:03,039 --> 04:38:07,279
buy it for R2 he draw it wasn't enough

6605
04:38:07,279 --> 04:38:10,879
housing and money profit margin if you

6606
04:38:10,879 --> 04:38:13,600
keep it R2 he'll redraw it price might

6607
04:38:13,600 --> 04:38:14,719
be a little more because it's a little

6608
04:38:14,719 --> 04:38:17,199
bit more lands

6609
04:38:17,199 --> 04:38:19,760
houses more land the grass will soak it

6610
04:38:19,760 --> 04:38:23,119
up and it'll be more green the the

6611
04:38:23,119 --> 04:38:24,879
perimeter will be the They'll put the

6612
04:38:24,879 --> 04:38:27,760
pine trees up and the three-foot little

6613
04:38:27,760 --> 04:38:32,719
grassy areas. It'll be less houses

6614
04:38:32,719 --> 04:38:35,119
make it

6615
04:38:35,119 --> 04:38:36,879
maker. Any questions?

6616
04:38:36,879 --> 04:38:40,320
>> I I do actually for Mr. Flouty. So, but

6617
04:38:40,320 --> 04:38:42,480
first off, I want to correct myself that

6618
04:38:42,480 --> 04:38:45,680
water is flowing east. I said north. So,

6619
04:38:45,680 --> 04:38:48,400
my apologies on that. Mr. FL those

6620
04:38:48,400 --> 04:38:50,080
detention ponds.

6621
04:38:50,080 --> 04:38:50,561
>> Mhm.

6622
04:38:50,561 --> 04:38:52,879
>> Where does the water go? If there's no

6623
04:38:52,879 --> 04:38:55,119
storm sores along Shepard, where does

6624
04:38:55,119 --> 04:38:56,959
water where does the storm water drain

6625
04:38:56,959 --> 04:38:57,359
to?

6626
04:38:57,359 --> 04:39:00,639
>> Yeah. So there's design calculations put

6627
04:39:00,639 --> 04:39:02,639
into place. And one of the reasons why

6628
04:39:02,639 --> 04:39:05,840
you see three well so there's two

6629
04:39:05,840 --> 04:39:08,240
detention, one retention. It's because

6630
04:39:08,240 --> 04:39:10,561
the site is very flat. So they're having

6631
04:39:10,561 --> 04:39:12,561
to capture the water and bring it and

6632
04:39:12,561 --> 04:39:14,639
hold it. And then it slowly gets

6633
04:39:14,639 --> 04:39:18,160
released to the level to where it

6634
04:39:18,160 --> 04:39:20,799
doesn't affect the surrounding

6635
04:39:20,799 --> 04:39:22,719
properties. There's storm water

6636
04:39:22,719 --> 04:39:24,639
calculations done

6637
04:39:24,639 --> 04:39:26,879
>> that

6638
04:39:26,879 --> 04:39:30,799
they capture the flow on this site and

6639
04:39:30,799 --> 04:39:32,480
>> one of them is like a spillway. One of

6640
04:39:32,480 --> 04:39:34,080
them would be like a spillway

6641
04:39:34,080 --> 04:39:37,119
>> that gets filled up. the pipe of juice.

6642
04:39:37,119 --> 04:39:39,840
>> Uh the the two are grass

6643
04:39:39,840 --> 04:39:42,400
>> so they you know fill up they'll slowly

6644
04:39:42,400 --> 04:39:43,840
release and then the other ones

6645
04:39:43,840 --> 04:39:44,638
>> understand

6646
04:39:44,638 --> 04:39:46,080
>> I understand that we all understand

6647
04:39:46,080 --> 04:39:48,958
that.

6648
04:39:48,958 --> 04:39:50,400
>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have

6649
04:39:50,400 --> 04:39:52,400
chairman. And the the thing that Jeff

6650
04:39:52,400 --> 04:39:54,878
brought up about the the water now

6651
04:39:54,878 --> 04:39:56,798
running from the flatter area of the

6652
04:39:56,798 --> 04:39:57,840
land

6653
04:39:57,840 --> 04:40:01,200
>> towards the ditch next to my daughter

6654
04:40:01,200 --> 04:40:03,280
>> and then uh if you're standing in front

6655
04:40:03,280 --> 04:40:05,040
of my daughter's house it' be left. I

6656
04:40:05,040 --> 04:40:07,040
guess that would be north. I'm confused

6657
04:40:07,040 --> 04:40:09,440
on that. This guy is

6658
04:40:09,440 --> 04:40:12,160
>> that pipe that goes underneath Sheepard

6659
04:40:12,160 --> 04:40:13,280
Road.

6660
04:40:13,280 --> 04:40:15,760
>> The Leon and Glenn Bishop had worked on

6661
04:40:15,760 --> 04:40:17,600
that catch face because that was

6662
04:40:17,600 --> 04:40:20,160
originally Bishop property back in the

6663
04:40:20,160 --> 04:40:22,240
60s.

6664
04:40:22,240 --> 04:40:24,000
>> They had worked on that catch phase. I

6665
04:40:24,000 --> 04:40:26,400
remember talking to them when they did

6666
04:40:26,400 --> 04:40:28,454
that and Glenn that was their

6667
04:40:28,454 --> 04:40:31,120
[clears throat] brother. Okay. It does

6668
04:40:31,120 --> 04:40:33,760
leave there, crosses Shepard Road, goes

6669
04:40:33,760 --> 04:40:35,760
between Jeff's house and I used to call

6670
04:40:35,760 --> 04:40:38,480
it the house and goes down between

6671
04:40:38,480 --> 04:40:40,240
those two houses. Then it goes

6672
04:40:40,240 --> 04:40:42,798
underneath the junkyard driveway and

6673
04:40:42,798 --> 04:40:44,718
runs down on the left side of the

6674
04:40:44,718 --> 04:40:47,200
junkyard towards an acres center. It's

6675
04:40:47,200 --> 04:40:49,280
been that way. My family's been on this

6676
04:40:49,280 --> 04:40:51,600
street for 95 years. Been that way

6677
04:40:51,600 --> 04:40:54,000
forever and it works. Does it get a

6678
04:40:54,000 --> 04:40:56,000
little backed up once in a while? That's

6679
04:40:56,000 --> 04:40:58,798
what you scream, but it does. So that's

6680
04:40:58,798 --> 04:41:01,040
been there forever.

6681
04:41:01,040 --> 04:41:03,440
Is it going to overflow that? Yeah, it's

6682
04:41:03,440 --> 04:41:05,280
possible.

6683
04:41:05,280 --> 04:41:07,360
It's very possible because we all

6684
04:41:07,360 --> 04:41:10,080
understand what gutter water, shingle

6685
04:41:10,080 --> 04:41:12,160
water, house water, concrete water,

6686
04:41:12,160 --> 04:41:15,120
black top water moves fast. It moves

6687
04:41:15,120 --> 04:41:16,958
quick. It don't saturate into the

6688
04:41:16,958 --> 04:41:20,480
ground. Everybody understands that. So,

6689
04:41:20,480 --> 04:41:23,920
I ask you please keep it R2.

6690
04:41:23,920 --> 04:41:26,878
if he if he still wants to pursue a a

6691
04:41:26,878 --> 04:41:29,600
building project, a um you know, a

6692
04:41:29,600 --> 04:41:32,798
subdivision project, he will he'll

6693
04:41:32,798 --> 04:41:35,280
adjust it. He'll raise the price a

6694
04:41:35,280 --> 04:41:37,600
little bit. It'll still work. Now, is he

6695
04:41:37,600 --> 04:41:39,600
allowed to call it a subdivision then? I

6696
04:41:39,600 --> 04:41:40,798
don't know that answer. That'd be on

6697
04:41:40,798 --> 04:41:43,760
you. Is he allowed to have an HOA an HOA

6698
04:41:43,760 --> 04:41:44,480
then?

6699
04:41:44,480 --> 04:41:46,638
>> I don't know that answer. That's on

6700
04:41:46,638 --> 04:41:48,878
>> and I realize that's what he's after.

6701
04:41:48,878 --> 04:41:50,560
>> Okay.

6702
04:41:50,560 --> 04:41:52,878
>> Mr. Crocker, I'm curious.

6703
04:41:52,878 --> 04:41:54,240
I'm sorry, Mr. Lug. Do you have any

6704
04:41:54,240 --> 04:41:56,000
questions for Mr. Crux?

6705
04:41:56,000 --> 04:41:57,760
>> No, I'm good. Thank you, Mr. Cer. You

6706
04:41:57,760 --> 04:42:00,240
put an offer in. Um, have you thought

6707
04:42:00,240 --> 04:42:04,000
about matching or beating whatever Mr.

6708
04:42:04,000 --> 04:42:06,480
>> When I did put the offer in the the

6709
04:42:06,480 --> 04:42:08,638
second offer I did put in with my

6710
04:42:08,638 --> 04:42:10,560
realtor,

6711
04:42:10,560 --> 04:42:12,080
um,

6712
04:42:12,080 --> 04:42:14,798
they said it was rejected and they had a

6713
04:42:14,798 --> 04:42:17,440
they were under contract at that time.

6714
04:42:17,440 --> 04:42:19,920
So, and we waited, never heard nothing

6715
04:42:19,920 --> 04:42:22,240
back and it was fine. I'm not mad about

6716
04:42:22,240 --> 04:42:24,638
that. I'm really not.

6717
04:42:24,638 --> 04:42:25,440
>> Um

6718
04:42:25,440 --> 04:42:27,280
>> I'm just cur curious if you ever want to

6719
04:42:27,280 --> 04:42:28,878
go higher than what Mr. Gibbs is

6720
04:42:28,878 --> 04:42:30,560
offering and buy the land yourself.

6721
04:42:30,560 --> 04:42:33,040
>> Wow,

6722
04:42:33,040 --> 04:42:37,270
that's a good question.

6723
04:42:37,280 --> 04:42:38,958
» I'm sure he's he's got some expenses

6724
04:42:38,958 --> 04:42:39,680
now.

6725
04:42:39,680 --> 04:42:41,200
>> I I don't think the owners really care.

6726
04:42:41,200 --> 04:42:42,718
They just want to sell it and make as

6727
04:42:42,718 --> 04:42:43,680
much money as they can. So,

6728
04:42:43,680 --> 04:42:46,160
>> well, I feel some animosity from from

6729
04:42:46,160 --> 04:42:48,638
David here. I feel some animosity from

6730
04:42:48,638 --> 04:42:51,040
him throwing me under the bus every time

6731
04:42:51,040 --> 04:42:53,360
to come to a meeting like this. I am not

6732
04:42:53,360 --> 04:42:54,480
mad no more that I

6733
04:42:54,480 --> 04:42:56,240
>> No, it's interesting. My my question

6734
04:42:56,240 --> 04:42:58,160
though is is is I that I'll let you two

6735
04:42:58,160 --> 04:42:59,040
work out your all

6736
04:42:59,040 --> 04:43:00,878
>> Yeah. Would I still be interested? Well,

6737
04:43:00,878 --> 04:43:02,480
yes, I would. And what would I do with

6738
04:43:02,480 --> 04:43:04,320
the place? I'll tell you. I would

6739
04:43:04,320 --> 04:43:06,480
renovate the old house.

6740
04:43:06,480 --> 04:43:10,320
>> Put 30, 40,000 in it. I'd fix it up.

6741
04:43:10,320 --> 04:43:12,160
It's fixable. Anything's fixable.

6742
04:43:12,160 --> 04:43:12,400
>> Sure.

6743
04:43:12,400 --> 04:43:14,638
>> I'd put somebody in within the family.

6744
04:43:14,638 --> 04:43:16,638
>> I would make a large green space toward

6745
04:43:16,638 --> 04:43:18,638
my daughter's house. I would mow that

6746
04:43:18,638 --> 04:43:21,440
every week. I would leave the back trees

6747
04:43:21,440 --> 04:43:24,798
border to Willoughbrook. Um, and I'd pay

6748
04:43:24,798 --> 04:43:28,160
taxes on a on almost a 5 acre place the

6749
04:43:28,160 --> 04:43:29,120
rest of my life.

6750
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:29,440
>> Yeah,

6751
04:43:29,440 --> 04:43:30,638
>> that's what I'd do with it.

6752
04:43:30,638 --> 04:43:31,120
>> Fair enough.

6753
04:43:31,120 --> 04:43:32,638
>> I mean, there was a there was a thought

6754
04:43:32,638 --> 04:43:34,240
years ago when I first talked to Irma

6755
04:43:34,240 --> 04:43:36,160
about buying it. I wanted to build a

6756
04:43:36,160 --> 04:43:39,600
house next to my daughter's house in

6757
04:43:39,600 --> 04:43:42,480
between the two and and have just one

6758
04:43:42,480 --> 04:43:44,958
house there and maybe somebody else in

6759
04:43:44,958 --> 04:43:47,280
my family would get my house. I I that

6760
04:43:47,280 --> 04:43:48,958
was just a thought,

6761
04:43:48,958 --> 04:43:50,160
>> but that thought's changed. You know

6762
04:43:50,160 --> 04:43:52,240
what I mean? I've had a lot of different

6763
04:43:52,240 --> 04:43:53,920
things happen in my life since then.

6764
04:43:53,920 --> 04:43:54,718
>> Yeah. Understand?

6765
04:43:54,718 --> 04:43:57,680
>> Could I afford to buy it? Absolutely.

6766
04:43:57,680 --> 04:43:59,360
That ain't the problem.

6767
04:43:59,360 --> 04:43:59,680
>> Yeah.

6768
04:43:59,680 --> 04:44:00,958
>> That ain't the problem. And they know

6769
04:44:00,958 --> 04:44:01,520
that.

6770
04:44:01,520 --> 04:44:02,160
>> Okay.

6771
04:44:02,160 --> 04:44:03,840
>> And I'm happy that the man's bought it

6772
04:44:03,840 --> 04:44:05,760
and he's going to develop it. I'm good

6773
04:44:05,760 --> 04:44:08,160
with that. It's just too many houses for

6774
04:44:08,160 --> 04:44:10,878
that little spot. It's 4.7. I mean, I

6775
04:44:10,878 --> 04:44:12,240
can't even understand how you can have a

6776
04:44:12,240 --> 04:44:15,680
subdivision on that tiny of a spot.

6777
04:44:15,680 --> 04:44:18,000
other there should be a guidelines for

6778
04:44:18,000 --> 04:44:21,840
against that. You should have 30 acres

6779
04:44:21,840 --> 04:44:24,400
with 50 houses to call it a subdivision.

6780
04:44:24,400 --> 04:44:26,958
That's just me thinking out of the box.

6781
04:44:26,958 --> 04:44:28,160
>> Appreciate you, Mr. Crocker. Thank you

6782
04:44:28,160 --> 04:44:30,480
very much. Yeah. Thank you, sir.

6783
04:44:30,480 --> 04:44:31,920
>> Think we're okay. Yeah. Thank you, sir.

6784
04:44:31,920 --> 04:44:32,638
Thank you.

6785
04:44:32,638 --> 04:44:33,920
>> Is there anyone else that's an opponent

6786
04:44:33,920 --> 04:44:35,520
of this case?

6787
04:44:35,520 --> 04:44:37,200
>> Okay. See, one more. Please go ahead.

6788
04:44:37,200 --> 04:44:45,750
Yeah.

6789
04:44:45,760 --> 04:44:53,030
Democracy is not clean.

6790
04:44:53,040 --> 04:44:55,200
» I had no idea that this meeting Oh, I'm

6791
04:44:55,200 --> 04:44:56,560
sorry. Swear me.

6792
04:44:56,560 --> 04:44:56,958
>> I'm tired.

6793
04:44:56,958 --> 04:44:58,000
>> I swear to tell the truth, the whole

6794
04:44:58,000 --> 04:44:58,958
truth. Nothing about the truth. Help

6795
04:44:58,958 --> 04:44:59,280
you.

6796
04:44:59,280 --> 04:45:00,320
>> You bet. I will.

6797
04:45:00,320 --> 04:45:01,840
>> Go ahead. State your name.

6798
04:45:01,840 --> 04:45:04,480
>> So, uh, I had no idea this meeting was

6799
04:45:04,480 --> 04:45:06,240
going to go this long and I didn't bring

6800
04:45:06,240 --> 04:45:08,878
my back medicine, so I am in pain, but

6801
04:45:08,878 --> 04:45:10,560
that's okay. It's important.

6802
04:45:10,560 --> 04:45:13,040
>> Yes, ma'am. Um, my name is Deb Bond or

6803
04:45:13,040 --> 04:45:15,840
Debbie Bond. Uh, I'm the wife of Mr.

6804
04:45:15,840 --> 04:45:20,000
Jeff. Uh, I live at 4634 Shepard Road in

6805
04:45:20,000 --> 04:45:23,440
Betavia. And we are the house that's

6806
04:45:23,440 --> 04:45:26,000
across the street from Cindy's and and

6807
04:45:26,000 --> 04:45:29,120
uh and Dan's. Dan has the one and then

6808
04:45:29,120 --> 04:45:30,958
Cindy's next to that. And we're across

6809
04:45:30,958 --> 04:45:32,400
the street and we're the one that has

6810
04:45:32,400 --> 04:45:34,160
the creek as well.

6811
04:45:34,160 --> 04:45:35,680
>> It's not really a creek. It's a drainage

6812
04:45:35,680 --> 04:45:37,120
ditch, but I'm going to talk about that

6813
04:45:37,120 --> 04:45:39,280
here in a minute.

6814
04:45:39,280 --> 04:45:41,440
Um,

6815
04:45:41,440 --> 04:45:43,440
one thing we've been there about 10

6816
04:45:43,440 --> 04:45:45,840
years and a couple things that I really

6817
04:45:45,840 --> 04:45:48,400
liked about living on Shepard Road is

6818
04:45:48,400 --> 04:45:51,280
that it's it feels very rural. You know,

6819
04:45:51,280 --> 04:45:53,280
there's there's houses we have a half an

6820
04:45:53,280 --> 04:45:56,718
acre. Uh, our house was built in 1949,

6821
04:45:56,718 --> 04:45:58,718
so apparently it's not zoned at all.

6822
04:45:58,718 --> 04:46:00,080
That's what they told us in the zoning

6823
04:46:00,080 --> 04:46:02,560
meeting. Uh, that it's not an R1. It's

6824
04:46:02,560 --> 04:46:05,760
just because it was built before 1959, I

6825
04:46:05,760 --> 04:46:07,440
think. So, there's no zoning to it.

6826
04:46:07,440 --> 04:46:08,160
Yeah. Sure.

6827
04:46:08,160 --> 04:46:09,680
>> Which is fine. We wanted a little land.

6828
04:46:09,680 --> 04:46:12,160
We wanted um you know, peace and quiet.

6829
04:46:12,160 --> 04:46:15,760
There's no um Sorry, I'm so tired.

6830
04:46:15,760 --> 04:46:20,400
There's no um street lights. Uh so it's

6831
04:46:20,400 --> 04:46:22,560
nice and quiet. You hear the crickets

6832
04:46:22,560 --> 04:46:24,878
speaking and the frogs are, you know,

6833
04:46:24,878 --> 04:46:28,480
there's there's um wildlife in the in

6834
04:46:28,480 --> 04:46:32,000
the uh creek itself. Um, and it's just

6835
04:46:32,000 --> 04:46:34,798
nice to be able to sit out on the porch,

6836
04:46:34,798 --> 04:46:36,560
front porch, and listen to that and to

6837
04:46:36,560 --> 04:46:38,958
see the trees and all those beautiful w

6838
04:46:38,958 --> 04:46:42,160
woods that you can see there and it's

6839
04:46:42,160 --> 04:46:43,920
going to all be gone. And I just don't

6840
04:46:43,920 --> 04:46:45,760
understand it. The wildlife that comes

6841
04:46:45,760 --> 04:46:47,280
out of there, we get deer, we get fox,

6842
04:46:47,280 --> 04:46:50,400
we get raccoons, uh, possum, all kinds

6843
04:46:50,400 --> 04:46:54,160
of stuff like that. So, that bothers me.

6844
04:46:54,160 --> 04:46:55,440
The second thing, and people have

6845
04:46:55,440 --> 04:46:57,280
brought this up, is if you have 18

6846
04:46:57,280 --> 04:47:00,560
houses on there, uh, and everybody has

6847
04:47:00,560 --> 04:47:02,718
two cars. We actually have three. Not

6848
04:47:02,718 --> 04:47:04,080
that we drive them all at the same time,

6849
04:47:04,080 --> 04:47:06,000
but we do. But so you're talking at

6850
04:47:06,000 --> 04:47:10,160
least a minimum of 40 cars. And it's

6851
04:47:10,160 --> 04:47:12,718
kind of misleading the the way that that

6852
04:47:12,718 --> 04:47:15,920
road goes. It goes down. It dips down

6853
04:47:15,920 --> 04:47:17,600
and curves around. And we're right on

6854
04:47:17,600 --> 04:47:21,440
the dip in the curve. Okay. So,

6855
04:47:21,440 --> 04:47:24,240
when I used to drive my Miata, uh, it

6856
04:47:24,240 --> 04:47:26,160
would be really scary, you know, to try

6857
04:47:26,160 --> 04:47:28,480
to look, and I'm short, look out this

6858
04:47:28,480 --> 04:47:32,320
way, look out this way, look out this way again, go, you

6859
04:47:32,320 --> 04:47:34,160
know, so you wouldn't get hit. I have a

6860
04:47:34,160 --> 04:47:36,718
bigger, taller car now, but it's still a

6861
04:47:36,718 --> 04:47:38,638
problem getting out of there. And with

6862
04:47:38,638 --> 04:47:41,280
more traffic, just three doors down, I

6863
04:47:41,280 --> 04:47:43,600
just, it's just not right. There's a lot

6864
04:47:43,600 --> 04:47:46,958
of people that walk their dogs, run,

6865
04:47:46,958 --> 04:47:49,200
kids on bicycles, people, you know, and

6866
04:47:49,200 --> 04:47:51,280
I I fear for them. I do if there's more

6867
04:47:51,280 --> 04:47:54,320
cars. So, another 40 cars. I don't see

6868
04:47:54,320 --> 04:47:56,160
it. Um, people mention the speed limit

6869
04:47:56,160 --> 04:47:57,920
of 35.

6870
04:47:57,920 --> 04:48:00,718
That's just it should be 30 or less. It

6871
04:48:00,718 --> 04:48:02,718
really should because it is very narrow.

6872
04:48:02,718 --> 04:48:06,000
You do have to be very careful uh not to

6873
04:48:06,000 --> 04:48:07,600
fall in the ditch because the ditches

6874
04:48:07,600 --> 04:48:10,080
along the road is where the water goes

6875
04:48:10,080 --> 04:48:12,400
and to not hit them as you're going. So,

6876
04:48:12,400 --> 04:48:15,040
it it's a little scary. Um, but the

6877
04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:17,600
biggest thing that concerns me with that

6878
04:48:17,600 --> 04:48:21,280
many homes and with the

6879
04:48:21,280 --> 04:48:22,878
retention, well, first of all, the

6880
04:48:22,878 --> 04:48:26,560
retention uh pond, um, I'm assuming that

6881
04:48:26,560 --> 04:48:28,240
they're going to have something in there

6882
04:48:28,240 --> 04:48:30,798
to make it move around so that the

6883
04:48:30,798 --> 04:48:32,480
mosquitoes don't grow in there. I mean,

6884
04:48:32,480 --> 04:48:35,360
I'm not sure how that works. So,

6885
04:48:35,360 --> 04:48:37,440
concerned about that. Then we had the

6886
04:48:37,440 --> 04:48:40,240
two detention ponds, right? one on the

6887
04:48:40,240 --> 04:48:42,320
one side and one on side right next

6888
04:48:42,320 --> 04:48:46,560
really to where um

6889
04:48:46,560 --> 04:48:50,400
where uh I'm sorry I'm so tired where um

6890
04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:53,760
uh Dan uh Dan's house there's going to

6891
04:48:53,760 --> 04:48:56,000
be one back in that wood that has a gap

6892
04:48:56,000 --> 04:48:58,000
right and it is all going to go down

6893
04:48:58,000 --> 04:48:59,680
into our creek. Now, here's the thing

6894
04:48:59,680 --> 04:49:03,750
about our creek.

6895
04:49:03,760 --> 04:49:06,000
After it goes underneath the shepherd

6896
04:49:06,000 --> 04:49:07,840
road and it goes into the culvert or

6897
04:49:07,840 --> 04:49:09,840
whatever it is and it comes down, right,

6898
04:49:09,840 --> 04:49:12,638
[clears throat] it drops about 20 feet

6899
04:49:12,638 --> 04:49:14,878
deep. It's that steep. It's not just a

6900
04:49:14,878 --> 04:49:18,878
creek. It's steep. Okay? And the

6901
04:49:18,878 --> 04:49:20,958
pictures that my husband showed you is

6902
04:49:20,958 --> 04:49:23,520
showing you the low part of our our So,

6903
04:49:23,520 --> 04:49:26,638
it goes like that. And that's the part

6904
04:49:26,638 --> 04:49:27,680
that flooded.

6905
04:49:27,680 --> 04:49:31,120
>> Yeah. But it also flooded all the way to

6906
04:49:31,120 --> 04:49:35,920
our fence line which is also another 18

6907
04:49:35,920 --> 04:49:39,200
ft deep. So that was a lot of water.

6908
04:49:39,200 --> 04:49:41,600
Okay. I'm concerned, you know, if

6909
04:49:41,600 --> 04:49:43,840
somebody was some child was playing in

6910
04:49:43,840 --> 04:49:45,600
that water and thought it was just a

6911
04:49:45,600 --> 04:49:48,878
pond, you know, boom, dead. It's gone.

6912
04:49:48,878 --> 04:49:49,920
You know what I'm saying? It's a big

6913
04:49:49,920 --> 04:49:50,878
drop off.

6914
04:49:50,878 --> 04:49:54,958
>> Doesn't really show it there, but it is.

6915
04:49:54,958 --> 04:49:58,000
Um, I just wondered whether anyone has

6916
04:49:58,000 --> 04:50:00,798
um checked with Claremont County soil

6917
04:50:00,798 --> 04:50:02,798
and water to make sure that the water

6918
04:50:02,798 --> 04:50:06,080
flow is going to be right for this creek

6919
04:50:06,080 --> 04:50:08,400
area. It's not going to be flooded even

6920
04:50:08,400 --> 04:50:11,440
more when it rains when they release

6921
04:50:11,440 --> 04:50:14,320
these detention ponds because it is all

6922
04:50:14,320 --> 04:50:16,878
going into that creek.

6923
04:50:16,878 --> 04:50:18,400
Um,

6924
04:50:18,400 --> 04:50:20,958
so that's it. I'm sorry. I had no idea

6925
04:50:20,958 --> 04:50:22,480
this was going to be this long, this

6926
04:50:22,480 --> 04:50:24,000
late.

6927
04:50:24,000 --> 04:50:25,040
And I got to get up and go to work

6928
04:50:25,040 --> 04:50:27,280
tomorrow. So, there you go.

6929
04:50:27,280 --> 04:50:27,840
>> Likewise,

6930
04:50:27,840 --> 04:50:29,360
>> and him Yeah. My husband's got to get up

6931
04:50:29,360 --> 04:50:32,480
at 4 a.m., so we're tired.

6932
04:50:32,480 --> 04:50:35,040
So, I just want to I just I think I'm

6933
04:50:35,040 --> 04:50:37,040
like Mr. Proctor. We just don't want as

6934
04:50:37,040 --> 04:50:38,798
many homes there.

6935
04:50:38,798 --> 04:50:41,920
>> Less homes, less water. We're not

6936
04:50:41,920 --> 04:50:43,920
looking to widen the street. We like the

6937
04:50:43,920 --> 04:50:46,480
street. It's It's rural. It's a one-way

6938
04:50:46,480 --> 04:50:49,760
street that goes back several miles, but

6939
04:50:49,760 --> 04:50:51,600
we like that. We like that there's no

6940
04:50:51,600 --> 04:50:53,040
street lights. We like that there's no

6941
04:50:53,040 --> 04:50:55,200
sidewalks. I think the reason a lot of

6942
04:50:55,200 --> 04:50:57,120
people live on Shepard and stay on

6943
04:50:57,120 --> 04:51:01,040
Shepard is because it feels like

6944
04:51:01,040 --> 04:51:03,280
country living and yet you're just

6945
04:51:03,280 --> 04:51:06,958
around the corner from the escape. So,

6946
04:51:06,958 --> 04:51:08,400
I think I said enough as I'm really

6947
04:51:08,400 --> 04:51:10,000
tired. I need to go to bed.

6948
04:51:10,000 --> 04:51:11,280
>> Mr. Re, do you have any questions?

6949
04:51:11,280 --> 04:51:12,878
>> Yeah. Do you have any questions about

6950
04:51:12,878 --> 04:51:14,560
the ditch in the creek and how

6951
04:51:14,560 --> 04:51:15,680
>> You did good. You did a good job

6952
04:51:15,680 --> 04:51:16,878
explaining. Appreciate you very much.

6953
04:51:16,878 --> 04:51:18,320
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, miss.

6954
04:51:18,320 --> 04:51:19,040
Appreciate you.

6955
04:51:19,040 --> 04:51:19,920
>> Thank you. Sorry.

6956
04:51:19,920 --> 04:51:21,200
>> Is there anyone else that's an opponent

6957
04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:22,560
of this case? Please come on up, sir.

6958
04:51:22,560 --> 04:51:24,798
Yeah.

6959
04:51:24,798 --> 04:51:27,280
>> Oh,

6960
04:51:27,280 --> 04:51:30,320
wait. I just want to go to

6961
04:51:30,320 --> 04:51:31,280
whatever you want to do.

6962
04:51:31,280 --> 04:51:34,788
>> Thank you.

6963
04:51:34,798 --> 04:51:35,600
» You sure?

6964
04:51:35,600 --> 04:51:36,638
>> Yeah.

6965
04:51:36,638 --> 04:51:38,080
>> I'll let you know once.

6966
04:51:38,080 --> 04:51:39,600
>> All right. Okay. All right. Let me know.

6967
04:51:39,600 --> 04:51:40,958
All right. Let me go swear you in. You

6968
04:51:40,958 --> 04:51:42,320
swear to tell the truth, the whole truth

6969
04:51:42,320 --> 04:51:43,280
about the truth. So hope you got God.

6970
04:51:43,280 --> 04:51:43,840
>> I do.

6971
04:51:43,840 --> 04:51:45,360
>> Okay, great. Floor is yours, sir.

6972
04:51:45,360 --> 04:51:47,680
>> Uh my name is Jeff Beal. Um I live at

6973
04:51:47,680 --> 04:51:50,000
989 Shepard Woods Court. It's actually

6974
04:51:50,000 --> 04:51:53,600
behind site 13, I think it is.

6975
04:51:53,600 --> 04:51:54,320
>> Okay. Yeah.

6976
04:51:54,320 --> 04:51:57,760
>> Um I do have a couple concerns. Um

6977
04:51:57,760 --> 04:51:59,360
it's the first trustee meeting ever been

6978
04:51:59,360 --> 04:52:01,440
to, so it's kind of new new to me. I

6979
04:52:01,440 --> 04:52:03,120
wasn't expecting to be here till as late

6980
04:52:03,120 --> 04:52:06,638
as it is. So I'll be try to be quick.

6981
04:52:06,638 --> 04:52:08,480
Looking at the previous case that was up

6982
04:52:08,480 --> 04:52:11,120
here, I He had everybody lined up, you

6983
04:52:11,120 --> 04:52:13,360
know, and every resident that lived in

6984
04:52:13,360 --> 04:52:14,878
there knew what was going to happen.

6985
04:52:14,878 --> 04:52:16,400
They knew what who was building the

6986
04:52:16,400 --> 04:52:18,718
homes. They knew everything. Who's

6987
04:52:18,718 --> 04:52:21,440
building the homes? I mean, what's going

6988
04:52:21,440 --> 04:52:22,878
in there? That's great. He's got the

6989
04:52:22,878 --> 04:52:24,080
property. He's got a plan. What kind of

6990
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:26,718
homes are going in there? You know, they

6991
04:52:26,718 --> 04:52:29,120
the previous case they built they built

6992
04:52:29,120 --> 04:52:31,200
the case for us homeowners around them

6993
04:52:31,200 --> 04:52:33,680
to know what was going to happen here.

6994
04:52:33,680 --> 04:52:35,280
What's going on? Is it his parent

6995
04:52:35,280 --> 04:52:37,680
company buying building the homes? I

6996
04:52:37,680 --> 04:52:39,600
don't know.

6997
04:52:39,600 --> 04:52:41,120
So

6998
04:52:41,120 --> 04:52:44,798
that's where I have a concern. You know,

6999
04:52:44,798 --> 04:52:46,560
my house was just re-evaluated. My wife

7000
04:52:46,560 --> 04:52:48,638
and I are putting a pool in. So I know

7001
04:52:48,638 --> 04:52:51,440
what my house is worth. You know, what

7002
04:52:51,440 --> 04:52:52,638
kind of home is going to go in right

7003
04:52:52,638 --> 04:52:55,040
behind us. You know, is it going to

7004
04:52:55,040 --> 04:52:57,440
lower my value? You know, all this money

7005
04:52:57,440 --> 04:52:59,440
that I've invested. Talking about

7006
04:52:59,440 --> 04:53:01,520
drainage. I got water that comes right

7007
04:53:01,520 --> 04:53:03,280
through my the side of my house because

7008
04:53:03,280 --> 04:53:05,280
of that property. My wife and I had to

7009
04:53:05,280 --> 04:53:07,840
put a French train in back in 2020. It

7010
04:53:07,840 --> 04:53:11,280
helped, but it doesn't it's not perfect.

7011
04:53:11,280 --> 04:53:14,000
So, and I'm trying to be quick here

7012
04:53:14,000 --> 04:53:15,280
because I know it's late, but those are

7013
04:53:15,280 --> 04:53:17,920
my concerns.

7014
04:53:17,920 --> 04:53:20,878
If you pull up that map for site 13, you

7015
04:53:20,878 --> 04:53:22,480
can see how close my house is and that

7016
04:53:22,480 --> 04:53:24,560
property line has barely anything there

7017
04:53:24,560 --> 04:53:27,200
that separates me from that community.

7018
04:53:27,200 --> 04:53:28,798
You know, yeah, you got a retention pond

7019
04:53:28,798 --> 04:53:30,320
or whatever it is, but am I going to get

7020
04:53:30,320 --> 04:53:31,680
more runoff because now they don't have

7021
04:53:31,680 --> 04:53:34,718
a storm sewer?

7022
04:53:34,718 --> 04:53:37,040
You know, I'm not opposed to community.

7023
04:53:37,040 --> 04:53:38,878
In fact, if you look at that drawing,

7024
04:53:38,878 --> 04:53:41,200
there's a there's a barn right there. I

7025
04:53:41,200 --> 04:53:42,560
literally in the back of my house look a

7026
04:53:42,560 --> 04:53:44,400
barn, an old barn that's been there 40

7027
04:53:44,400 --> 04:53:46,878
years. It's a pretty decent fall. So, I

7028
04:53:46,878 --> 04:53:48,718
don't mind having somebody live behind

7029
04:53:48,718 --> 04:53:50,958
me, you know, that might actually invest

7030
04:53:50,958 --> 04:53:52,560
in the back of their property, have

7031
04:53:52,560 --> 04:53:54,080
something nice to look at.

7032
04:53:54,080 --> 04:53:56,400
>> It's just what's going to go in there,

7033
04:53:56,400 --> 04:53:57,760
>> you know.

7034
04:53:57,760 --> 04:54:01,360
So, if this gets approved,

7035
04:54:01,360 --> 04:54:04,480
which you know, I I've shared my

7036
04:54:04,480 --> 04:54:07,200
concerns up to this point. Can we get

7037
04:54:07,200 --> 04:54:08,878
can I get some kind of buffer between my

7038
04:54:08,878 --> 04:54:11,040
house and and my fellow neighbors on

7039
04:54:11,040 --> 04:54:13,040
Shepherd Woods? You know, I know each

7040
04:54:13,040 --> 04:54:14,958
and every one of them and has invested a

7041
04:54:14,958 --> 04:54:17,200
lot of money in into clearing their own

7042
04:54:17,200 --> 04:54:19,280
land. When I bought my property, it was

7043
04:54:19,280 --> 04:54:21,600
full of pine suck and everything. spent

7044
04:54:21,600 --> 04:54:23,920
a lot of money dropping trees, building

7045
04:54:23,920 --> 04:54:26,480
a deck, you know, putting up a fence,

7046
04:54:26,480 --> 04:54:28,160
just like probably all of you. I wanted

7047
04:54:28,160 --> 04:54:30,320
your homes to look nice. You know, I

7048
04:54:30,320 --> 04:54:32,160
have five kids. I'm getting ready to

7049
04:54:32,160 --> 04:54:34,718
have a six guardianship of a six.

7050
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:37,200
>> You know, I got a pool going in and what

7051
04:54:37,200 --> 04:54:38,400
kind of what kind of homeowner is going

7052
04:54:38,400 --> 04:54:40,480
to be living 40 feet from that pool

7053
04:54:40,480 --> 04:54:41,760
where my kids are going to be in bathing

7054
04:54:41,760 --> 04:54:43,760
suits?

7055
04:54:43,760 --> 04:54:46,798
So, you know,

7056
04:54:46,798 --> 04:54:50,160
what kind of uh privacy can this

7057
04:54:50,160 --> 04:54:52,160
developer or whoever is going to be

7058
04:54:52,160 --> 04:54:55,520
building this property offer me to get

7059
04:54:55,520 --> 04:54:57,040
my blessing? I'm not going to be

7060
04:54:57,040 --> 04:54:58,480
building it because it's his property,

7061
04:54:58,480 --> 04:55:04,230
but you know,

7062
04:55:04,240 --> 04:55:06,400
» no, appreciate it, Mr. Beto. The uh Mr.

7063
04:55:06,400 --> 04:55:09,040
Becker, any questions, sir?

7064
04:55:09,040 --> 04:55:11,920
>> Um, again, Mr. Flouty, I got a question

7065
04:55:11,920 --> 04:55:13,600
for Mr. Flouty.

7066
04:55:13,600 --> 04:55:15,680
So, if we don't know who the builder is

7067
04:55:15,680 --> 04:55:17,520
for this development, how is it we have

7068
04:55:17,520 --> 04:55:19,840
the elevations for the for the for the

7069
04:55:19,840 --> 04:55:21,680
houses for the

7070
04:55:21,680 --> 04:55:22,798
>> in our packet?

7071
04:55:22,798 --> 04:55:24,560
>> Yeah. They would have to follow the

7072
04:55:24,560 --> 04:55:26,638
specification. So, you would still be

7073
04:55:26,638 --> 04:55:29,680
looking at single family one to twotory

7074
04:55:29,680 --> 04:55:30,718
homes.

7075
04:55:30,718 --> 04:55:32,240
>> They're not necessarily what we have in

7076
04:55:32,240 --> 04:55:32,798
the packet.

7077
04:55:32,798 --> 04:55:34,560
>> We ask the developer when he comes up.

7078
04:55:34,560 --> 04:55:34,718
Yeah.

7079
04:55:34,718 --> 04:55:35,920
>> Can we ask the developer when he comes

7080
04:55:35,920 --> 04:55:37,040
up?

7081
04:55:37,040 --> 04:55:38,320
>> We just ask the developer when he comes

7082
04:55:38,320 --> 04:55:40,000
up. Okay, that's fine. I was just trying

7083
04:55:40,000 --> 04:55:40,240
to

7084
04:55:40,240 --> 04:55:42,240
>> just curious

7085
04:55:42,240 --> 04:55:45,600
to the points. No, I got a note about

7086
04:55:45,600 --> 04:55:47,200
the buffer and I plan to ask the

7087
04:55:47,200 --> 04:55:48,240
developer about that when that comes up

7088
04:55:48,240 --> 04:55:50,080
and I appreciate you, Mr. Beck.

7089
04:55:50,080 --> 04:55:51,360
>> That's all I appreciate you. Thank you.

7090
04:55:51,360 --> 04:55:52,000
sir.

7091
04:55:52,000 --> 04:55:53,600
>> Thank you. Okay. Is there anyone else

7092
04:55:53,600 --> 04:55:56,080
that's opposed to this development?

7093
04:55:56,080 --> 04:55:59,040
Okay. See, see.

7094
04:55:59,040 --> 04:56:02,484
Okay.

7095
04:56:02,494 --> 04:56:07,270
[snorts]

7096
04:56:07,280 --> 04:56:10,080
All right. Come on up. Yeah. Yeah. Hand

7097
04:56:10,080 --> 04:56:11,360
to Mr. Campbell.

7098
04:56:11,360 --> 04:56:14,000
>> Thank you.

7099
04:56:14,000 --> 04:56:15,520
>> And then uh let me go and swear you in

7100
04:56:15,520 --> 04:56:17,040
and name that address for the record.

7101
04:56:17,040 --> 04:56:18,160
You swear to tell the truth, the whole

7102
04:56:18,160 --> 04:56:19,360
truth. Are they both the truth? Help you

7103
04:56:19,360 --> 04:56:20,638
God. So help me God.

7104
04:56:20,638 --> 04:56:22,080
>> All right. And then name address for the

7105
04:56:22,080 --> 04:56:23,200
record, sir.

7106
04:56:23,200 --> 04:56:27,360
>> Mark Watkins, 4626 Shepard Road. I'm

7107
04:56:27,360 --> 04:56:28,560
Richard's neighbor.

7108
04:56:28,560 --> 04:56:29,920
>> Yep.

7109
04:56:29,920 --> 04:56:32,878
>> And also

7110
04:56:32,878 --> 04:56:36,080
was partial family with Irma. Her

7111
04:56:36,080 --> 04:56:37,600
brothers helped

7112
04:56:37,600 --> 04:56:39,120
make

7113
04:56:39,120 --> 04:56:41,440
developments on my land to fix a wide

7114
04:56:41,440 --> 04:56:43,360
open ditch that was left there from the

7115
04:56:43,360 --> 04:56:44,080
60s.

7116
04:56:44,080 --> 04:56:44,718
>> Yeah.

7117
04:56:44,718 --> 04:56:46,798
>> I mean,

7118
04:56:46,798 --> 04:56:49,840
>> that's my my brother-in-law p former

7119
04:56:49,840 --> 04:56:52,638
brother-in-law. He's dead. That's part

7120
04:56:52,638 --> 04:56:53,520
of their family.

7121
04:56:53,520 --> 04:56:56,958
>> Oh, I see. Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah.

7122
04:56:56,958 --> 04:56:59,520
>> It's not that we oppose the development.

7123
04:56:59,520 --> 04:57:03,350
It's just too many.

7124
04:57:03,360 --> 04:57:05,440
There is water problems. We all know

7125
04:57:05,440 --> 04:57:08,638
there's water problems from beginning to

7126
04:57:08,638 --> 04:57:11,600
teal town just before Shepard all the

7127
04:57:11,600 --> 04:57:15,590
way down Shepard.

7128
04:57:15,600 --> 04:57:17,920
There's no storm sewers. It's a skinny

7129
04:57:17,920 --> 04:57:21,096
road. It's got ditches.

7130
04:57:21,096 --> 04:57:22,878
[clears throat and cough]

7131
04:57:22,878 --> 04:57:25,200
As you go down Shephard before you get

7132
04:57:25,200 --> 04:57:28,080
to the first hump that goes up by

7133
04:57:28,080 --> 04:57:29,600
Blackberry,

7134
04:57:29,600 --> 04:57:31,360
>> all the water from the top of Shephard

7135
04:57:31,360 --> 04:57:34,080
goes down there and goes into a creek.

7136
04:57:34,080 --> 04:57:37,760
That creek follows along in the back of

7137
04:57:37,760 --> 04:57:41,520
all the houses before me

7138
04:57:41,520 --> 04:57:44,000
and Richards. I've got one in my

7139
04:57:44,000 --> 04:57:46,480
sideyard.

7140
04:57:46,480 --> 04:57:49,280
The crook that they uh the ditch that

7141
04:57:49,280 --> 04:57:52,000
they covered up, we put pipe in. We put

7142
04:57:52,000 --> 04:57:56,560
in a storm sewer. and Friday storms.

7143
04:57:56,560 --> 04:57:59,120
Water was boiling over from across the

7144
04:57:59,120 --> 04:58:02,480
street and boiling out of my storm sewer

7145
04:58:02,480 --> 04:58:04,480
a good foot and a half, two foot tall.

7146
04:58:04,480 --> 04:58:05,200
Sure.

7147
04:58:05,200 --> 04:58:07,120
>> There was a river that run through my

7148
04:58:07,120 --> 04:58:10,718
property 6 to 8 foot wide that went down

7149
04:58:10,718 --> 04:58:12,878
to the creek next to my barn on the

7150
04:58:12,878 --> 04:58:17,030
lower part of my property.

7151
04:58:17,040 --> 04:58:19,360
The water problems on Shepherd, it's not

7152
04:58:19,360 --> 04:58:22,240
uncommon.

7153
04:58:22,240 --> 04:58:24,560
And if you look at the topographical lay

7154
04:58:24,560 --> 04:58:27,920
of the land, all of Willoughbrook in

7155
04:58:27,920 --> 04:58:31,120
that area between Cindy's house and our

7156
04:58:31,120 --> 04:58:34,480
house, it's not it's flat, but it's not

7157
04:58:34,480 --> 04:58:37,120
really flat. It all goes down into that

7158
04:58:37,120 --> 04:58:40,400
little valley where their house is.

7159
04:58:40,400 --> 04:58:42,958
So, how are you going to route all this

7160
04:58:42,958 --> 04:58:46,480
rain water to these retention ponds?

7161
04:58:46,480 --> 04:58:48,958
They have nowhere for it to go anyway,

7162
04:58:48,958 --> 04:58:51,440
but pasting through their lots. We've

7163
04:58:51,440 --> 04:58:53,760
all got water problems.

7164
04:58:53,760 --> 04:58:57,280
Adding all that much roof space, con,

7165
04:58:57,280 --> 04:58:59,200
you know, driveways,

7166
04:58:59,200 --> 04:59:03,600
you're making the water problems worse.

7167
04:59:03,600 --> 04:59:07,200
Like they were saying at R2,

7168
04:59:07,200 --> 04:59:09,840
8 to 10 houses is more than enough on

7169
04:59:09,840 --> 04:59:14,560
Shepard Road, not 18.

7170
04:59:14,560 --> 04:59:17,200
I mean, I don't know what the rules are.

7171
04:59:17,200 --> 04:59:19,200
Like the HOA,

7172
04:59:19,200 --> 04:59:22,400
but Shephard,

7173
04:59:22,400 --> 04:59:24,638
the development, Shephard Woods just

7174
04:59:24,638 --> 04:59:26,798
passed that.

7175
04:59:26,798 --> 04:59:30,000
They stuck with the AR, too. They had no

7176
04:59:30,000 --> 04:59:32,240
problems with it.

7177
04:59:32,240 --> 04:59:34,878
So, why would you take that much land as

7178
04:59:34,878 --> 04:59:38,240
opposed to a smaller plot of land and

7179
04:59:38,240 --> 04:59:42,638
try to put more houses on it?

7180
04:59:42,638 --> 04:59:44,638
There's just

7181
04:59:44,638 --> 04:59:47,680
It's not good for the neighborhood.

7182
04:59:47,680 --> 04:59:48,718
>> Thank you.

7183
04:59:48,718 --> 04:59:50,480
Mr. Watkins. Thank you, Mr.

7184
04:59:50,480 --> 04:59:52,400
Becker. Mr. Logan, anything?

7185
04:59:52,400 --> 04:59:54,240
>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

7186
04:59:54,240 --> 04:59:55,840
>> Yeah, come on up, sir, please. Yeah,

7187
04:59:55,840 --> 05:00:01,190
love to have you. All right.

7188
05:00:01,200 --> 05:00:02,958
» Appreciate your service, by the way.

7189
05:00:02,958 --> 05:00:04,000
>> Thank you. Yes, sir.

7190
05:00:04,000 --> 05:00:05,040
>> Appreciate.

7191
05:00:05,040 --> 05:00:07,360
>> Thank you for your service.

7192
05:00:07,360 --> 05:00:08,878
>> Okay, let me go and swear you in. Do you

7193
05:00:08,878 --> 05:00:10,000
swear to tell truth, the whole truth,

7194
05:00:10,000 --> 05:00:11,360
nothing but the truth, so shall be God?

7195
05:00:11,360 --> 05:00:11,840
>> I do.

7196
05:00:11,840 --> 05:00:13,600
>> Great. Great. Great. uh for your s the

7197
05:00:13,600 --> 05:00:14,958
name and address for the record.

7198
05:00:14,958 --> 05:00:18,400
>> Uh yes, my name is Doyle Castile. Live

7199
05:00:18,400 --> 05:00:20,320
at 4638

7200
05:00:20,320 --> 05:00:24,400
Locust Grove Court and

7201
05:00:24,400 --> 05:00:26,958
uh our property

7202
05:00:26,958 --> 05:00:29,760
is right

7203
05:00:29,760 --> 05:00:31,360
um

7204
05:00:31,360 --> 05:00:35,120
right there. The kind of high shot.

7205
05:00:35,120 --> 05:00:38,878
We we have the longest property line

7206
05:00:38,878 --> 05:00:40,958
against

7207
05:00:40,958 --> 05:00:46,768
um that property and I have been around

7208
05:00:46,768 --> 05:00:48,718
[clears throat] the building

7209
05:00:48,718 --> 05:00:53,440
uh industry for since 1970

7210
05:00:53,440 --> 05:00:56,958
>> and um I have seen

7211
05:00:56,958 --> 05:00:59,840
a lot of houses go up. I've worked in

7212
05:00:59,840 --> 05:01:02,718
the houses and around the construction

7213
05:01:02,718 --> 05:01:07,200
areas and I have never seen a house

7214
05:01:07,200 --> 05:01:12,958
built on that small of a lot. And um and

7215
05:01:12,958 --> 05:01:16,878
I because we back right up to that

7216
05:01:16,878 --> 05:01:18,560
property

7217
05:01:18,560 --> 05:01:22,638
u and I look at what is what they're

7218
05:01:22,638 --> 05:01:27,040
trying to put in. It's just not

7219
05:01:27,040 --> 05:01:31,040
um too many houses for the amount of the

7220
05:01:31,040 --> 05:01:32,638
property.

7221
05:01:32,638 --> 05:01:35,200
And I like I said, I've never seen a

7222
05:01:35,200 --> 05:01:39,520
house built on that small of a lot.

7223
05:01:39,520 --> 05:01:44,480
And the houses that I worked on back in

7224
05:01:44,480 --> 05:01:49,120
the 70s and 80s and 90s and on up

7225
05:01:49,120 --> 05:01:53,760
>> uh have all been in $300,000

7226
05:01:53,760 --> 05:01:58,788
houses at that time.

7227
05:01:58,798 --> 05:02:02,878
» So I I don't feel that

7228
05:02:02,878 --> 05:02:06,638
um that we should have that many houses

7229
05:02:06,638 --> 05:02:11,040
back there. Plus the strain. Uh we have

7230
05:02:11,040 --> 05:02:13,920
enough strain right now on the

7231
05:02:13,920 --> 05:02:15,600
electrical

7232
05:02:15,600 --> 05:02:18,240
uh grid back there. We're constantly

7233
05:02:18,240 --> 05:02:21,360
losing electric. Uh that's going to put

7234
05:02:21,360 --> 05:02:26,638
more burden on the uh electrical system.

7235
05:02:26,638 --> 05:02:30,160
Um it's all overhead wiring.

7236
05:02:30,160 --> 05:02:33,440
So that's going to put a extra strain on

7237
05:02:33,440 --> 05:02:35,920
the electrical system.

7238
05:02:35,920 --> 05:02:38,638
and um

7239
05:02:38,638 --> 05:02:40,878
and of course the water problems and

7240
05:02:40,878 --> 05:02:44,718
everything that you run into. So

7241
05:02:44,718 --> 05:02:49,760
um that that's my feelings and

7242
05:02:49,760 --> 05:02:53,040
um I don't want to see it to be that

7243
05:02:53,040 --> 05:02:58,080
much and have to worry about what uh

7244
05:02:58,080 --> 05:03:01,680
people move in back there.

7245
05:03:01,680 --> 05:03:03,520
>> Thank you, Mr. Casio. Appreciate it, Mr.

7246
05:03:03,520 --> 05:03:07,200
Becker. Mr. Lope. I have no, you know, I

7247
05:03:07,200 --> 05:03:09,920
have no problems with them building

7248
05:03:09,920 --> 05:03:13,280
houses there, but it's just too many

7249
05:03:13,280 --> 05:03:15,600
houses for that

7250
05:03:15,600 --> 05:03:16,240
property.

7251
05:03:16,240 --> 05:03:16,958
>> Understand?

7252
05:03:16,958 --> 05:03:17,680
>> All right. Thank you.

7253
05:03:17,680 --> 05:03:18,718
>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very

7254
05:03:18,718 --> 05:03:19,840
much. Thank you.

7255
05:03:19,840 --> 05:03:21,200
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to

7256
05:03:21,200 --> 05:03:22,080
speak?

7257
05:03:22,080 --> 05:03:27,750
>> Of course. Yeah. Come on up. Perfect.

7258
05:03:27,760 --> 05:03:29,520
» That's okay. Then just speak slowly so

7259
05:03:29,520 --> 05:03:31,280
Mr. Campbell can understand. Okay. Are

7260
05:03:31,280 --> 05:03:32,798
you ready? Uh, you swear to tell the

7261
05:03:32,798 --> 05:03:34,400
truth, the whole truth of the truth will

7262
05:03:34,400 --> 05:03:34,878
be God.

7263
05:03:34,878 --> 05:03:35,280
>> Yes.

7264
05:03:35,280 --> 05:03:37,360
>> Great. Name and address for the record.

7265
05:03:37,360 --> 05:03:39,760
>> Cindy Crocker Clark.

7266
05:03:39,760 --> 05:03:43,200
>> My address is 4631 Shephard Road,

7267
05:03:43,200 --> 05:03:44,560
Betavia.

7268
05:03:44,560 --> 05:03:45,280
>> Perfect.

7269
05:03:45,280 --> 05:03:48,798
>> Um, I live directly next to the property

7270
05:03:48,798 --> 05:03:51,440
where they're wanting to build

7271
05:03:51,440 --> 05:03:57,440
uh the 18 houses. I think it's um

7272
05:03:57,440 --> 05:04:01,360
a crazy idea to put 18 houses in this

7273
05:04:01,360 --> 05:04:04,560
tiny little spot. It doesn't fit the

7274
05:04:04,560 --> 05:04:07,680
neighborhood. If you drive down Shepard,

7275
05:04:07,680 --> 05:04:09,200
there's

7276
05:04:09,200 --> 05:04:12,718
just house after house after house. And

7277
05:04:12,718 --> 05:04:15,360
if you throw in just this little tiny

7278
05:04:15,360 --> 05:04:18,400
road and you look and there's just I

7279
05:04:18,400 --> 05:04:20,320
don't know.

7280
05:04:20,320 --> 05:04:22,638
I don't It just doesn't fit. It it

7281
05:04:22,638 --> 05:04:25,040
wouldn't fit to just look back and see

7282
05:04:25,040 --> 05:04:28,000
just a a mega bunch of houses back

7283
05:04:28,000 --> 05:04:31,520
there. I I I don't know. I grew up on

7284
05:04:31,520 --> 05:04:33,760
this road. It it just wouldn't fit the

7285
05:04:33,760 --> 05:04:35,920
neighborhood.

7286
05:04:35,920 --> 05:04:39,840
Uh I already deal with water issues

7287
05:04:39,840 --> 05:04:44,240
and I have a feeling that putting uh I

7288
05:04:44,240 --> 05:04:46,798
think it's the detention pond is going

7289
05:04:46,798 --> 05:04:50,320
to be like right next door to my house.

7290
05:04:50,320 --> 05:04:52,320
Um, I have a feeling that's going to

7291
05:04:52,320 --> 05:04:56,798
cause issues. Bugs, animals,

7292
05:04:56,798 --> 05:05:00,400
um, more water issues.

7293
05:05:00,400 --> 05:05:02,798
Um, noise.

7294
05:05:02,798 --> 05:05:04,480
I'm going to have to deal with people in

7295
05:05:04,480 --> 05:05:06,638
their houses and their cars and more

7296
05:05:06,638 --> 05:05:08,400
noise than I already deal with on the

7297
05:05:08,400 --> 05:05:10,560
road.

7298
05:05:10,560 --> 05:05:13,600
Um, I mean, I could probably sit here

7299
05:05:13,600 --> 05:05:15,200
and complain all night, but I don't want

7300
05:05:15,200 --> 05:05:18,480
to keep you guys here all night.

7301
05:05:18,480 --> 05:05:21,280
So, I just just come up. I wasn't gonna

7302
05:05:21,280 --> 05:05:23,440
get up here, but I thought I'd get up

7303
05:05:23,440 --> 05:05:29,720
here and just

7304
05:05:29,730 --> 05:05:30,400
[clears throat]

7305
05:05:30,400 --> 05:05:32,160
>> um if it were to go through. [snorts]

7306
05:05:32,160 --> 05:05:35,120
Yeah. I mean, I like watching nature and

7307
05:05:35,120 --> 05:05:37,280
stuff like that. There's a deer den back

7308
05:05:37,280 --> 05:05:39,120
in my backyard right now.

7309
05:05:39,120 --> 05:05:39,920
>> Yeah.

7310
05:05:39,920 --> 05:05:43,040
>> Um but if it were to go through, I' i'd

7311
05:05:43,040 --> 05:05:44,878
like to see a fence put up all the way

7312
05:05:44,878 --> 05:05:47,520
around my yard.

7313
05:05:47,520 --> 05:05:49,760
Did you say a deer den or deer pen?

7314
05:05:49,760 --> 05:05:50,320
>> Den.

7315
05:05:50,320 --> 05:05:52,320
What's a deer? Den.

7316
05:05:52,320 --> 05:05:54,718
>> Like there's there's a mother and two

7317
05:05:54,718 --> 05:05:56,400
fawns in my backyard.

7318
05:05:56,400 --> 05:05:57,520
>> Oh, they just live out in the wild.

7319
05:05:57,520 --> 05:05:58,160
That's okay.

7320
05:05:58,160 --> 05:05:59,520
>> Yeah, I still have the woods back there.

7321
05:05:59,520 --> 05:06:01,600
>> That's fine. Thank you.

7322
05:06:01,600 --> 05:06:03,840
>> Okay, I got it. Loud and clear. Yeah.

7323
05:06:03,840 --> 05:06:05,280
Thank you, Miss Crocker, very much. Yes,

7324
05:06:05,280 --> 05:06:06,638
ma'am. You got Oh, I'm sorry. Did you

7325
05:06:06,638 --> 05:06:08,080
want

7326
05:06:08,080 --> 05:06:09,280
>> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate you very

7327
05:06:09,280 --> 05:06:10,400
much.

7328
05:06:10,400 --> 05:06:11,760
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to

7329
05:06:11,760 --> 05:06:14,000
talk on this?

7330
05:06:14,000 --> 05:06:20,080
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Please, please, please.

7331
05:06:20,080 --> 05:06:22,000
>> I'd be remiss to say, my wife is texting

7332
05:06:22,000 --> 05:06:25,600
me saying, "Hey, uh, remind them the

7333
05:06:25,600 --> 05:06:28,638
$3,000 we spent um to regrade our

7334
05:06:28,638 --> 05:06:31,840
backyard. We too have uh water issues."

7335
05:06:31,840 --> 05:06:33,920
So, everybody mentioning the water

7336
05:06:33,920 --> 05:06:36,160
issues, uh, reminded us of that. And

7337
05:06:36,160 --> 05:06:39,680
then also, if this were to go through,

7338
05:06:39,680 --> 05:06:41,920
uh, concessions are to be made. Uh, Mr.

7339
05:06:41,920 --> 05:06:44,560
Beal and I, we are very close together.

7340
05:06:44,560 --> 05:06:49,200
uh we share that buffer zone uh

7341
05:06:49,200 --> 05:06:50,798
at the top of this picture, the north of

7342
05:06:50,798 --> 05:06:53,200
this picture uh if you will, um where it

7343
05:06:53,200 --> 05:06:55,760
will be and why I was asking earlier

7344
05:06:55,760 --> 05:06:59,760
what the uh setback would be and so what

7345
05:06:59,760 --> 05:07:03,600
was it uh 10 feet 14 to 19t or so? Could

7346
05:07:03,600 --> 05:07:06,080
we potentially get an even deeper

7347
05:07:06,080 --> 05:07:10,240
setback like the residents on Locust

7348
05:07:10,240 --> 05:07:12,958
Grove get? Uh they get up to 30 feet in

7349
05:07:12,958 --> 05:07:14,718
that buffer zone. So, I just wanted to

7350
05:07:14,718 --> 05:07:18,560
throw that out there uh as well. Um so,

7351
05:07:18,560 --> 05:07:20,000
>> okay, you got it. You got it. I

7352
05:07:20,000 --> 05:07:23,510
appreciate it.

7353
05:07:23,520 --> 05:07:25,680
» Perfect. Okay. Is there anyone else like

7354
05:07:25,680 --> 05:07:27,360
to talk?

7355
05:07:27,360 --> 05:07:30,320
>> Okay. Seeing none, uh Mr. Gibbs, come on

7356
05:07:30,320 --> 05:07:31,920
up and then I will I will go ahead and

7357
05:07:31,920 --> 05:07:34,080
close public session, sir. Public

7358
05:07:34,080 --> 05:07:36,958
hearing. Uh I'll let you talk first, Mr.

7359
05:07:36,958 --> 05:07:38,080
Gibbs. Anything you want to address and

7360
05:07:38,080 --> 05:07:39,280
then I'm sure the board will have a

7361
05:07:39,280 --> 05:07:41,200
couple questions for you.

7362
05:07:41,200 --> 05:07:44,400
>> Let me get back to my notes here.

7363
05:07:44,400 --> 05:07:47,910
Okay.

7364
05:07:47,920 --> 05:07:50,958
Um, when we

7365
05:07:50,958 --> 05:07:52,878
first went under contract for this land,

7366
05:07:52,878 --> 05:07:54,958
it was my intention to bring a multif

7367
05:07:54,958 --> 05:07:57,600
family development to you guys with 25

7368
05:07:57,600 --> 05:08:00,480
units on it. Um, I came to a few trustee

7369
05:08:00,480 --> 05:08:01,760
meetings to kind of feel the temperature

7370
05:08:01,760 --> 05:08:04,240
of the township with multif family.

7371
05:08:04,240 --> 05:08:04,878
>> Yeah. [snorts]

7372
05:08:04,878 --> 05:08:07,120
>> And, uh, here we are. So, uh, you know,

7373
05:08:07,120 --> 05:08:08,320
that's why we end up with a single

7374
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:10,400
family product.

7375
05:08:10,400 --> 05:08:12,828
I do want to point out um

7376
05:08:12,828 --> 05:08:14,000
[clears throat]

7377
05:08:14,000 --> 05:08:16,560
the subdivision Shepard Woods Court

7378
05:08:16,560 --> 05:08:19,520
that's to the uh west

7379
05:08:19,520 --> 05:08:23,600
directly um off the corner the top right

7380
05:08:23,600 --> 05:08:25,840
corner of that map

7381
05:08:25,840 --> 05:08:27,840
the density there they have I just when

7382
05:08:27,840 --> 05:08:29,920
I was sitting down took a map they have

7383
05:08:29,920 --> 05:08:32,560
17 houses in the same amount of density

7384
05:08:32,560 --> 05:08:34,638
uh same amount of acreage on private

7385
05:08:34,638 --> 05:08:37,440
driveways not not uh you know township

7386
05:08:37,440 --> 05:08:40,798
streets and uh Willowbrook directly to

7387
05:08:40,798 --> 05:08:43,440
the south has the same density, same 17

7388
05:08:43,440 --> 05:08:46,560
houses on 4 point I think it was like

7389
05:08:46,560 --> 05:08:49,600
six acres is what I came up with. Um and

7390
05:08:49,600 --> 05:08:52,320
so

7391
05:08:52,320 --> 05:08:55,760
our densities match or slightly slightly

7392
05:08:55,760 --> 05:08:59,120
larger than what's currently there.

7393
05:08:59,120 --> 05:09:01,440
>> We we put up a back that image up to

7394
05:09:01,440 --> 05:09:02,798
where it was. Uh

7395
05:09:02,798 --> 05:09:04,080
>> yeah, that one right there shows it the

7396
05:09:04,080 --> 05:09:05,600
best with the yellow. Well, you see this

7397
05:09:05,600 --> 05:09:06,638
one too.

7398
05:09:06,638 --> 05:09:09,040
So, what I'm referring to is that area

7399
05:09:09,040 --> 05:09:11,200
to the north of that photo. That's

7400
05:09:11,200 --> 05:09:11,520
>> Yeah,

7401
05:09:11,520 --> 05:09:14,000
>> I guess I would photo.

7402
05:09:14,000 --> 05:09:16,798
>> If you if you measured the acreage,

7403
05:09:16,798 --> 05:09:18,480
there's 17 houses in the same amount of

7404
05:09:18,480 --> 05:09:20,958
acreage to the south to the on that map

7405
05:09:20,958 --> 05:09:22,480
to the left of it where Willoughbrook

7406
05:09:22,480 --> 05:09:24,400
is, same thing. There's 17 houses in the

7407
05:09:24,400 --> 05:09:25,600
same amount of acreage there, too, with

7408
05:09:25,600 --> 05:09:27,040
a street.

7409
05:09:27,040 --> 05:09:29,600
>> So, um you know, so I do think we're we

7410
05:09:29,600 --> 05:09:31,280
actually are matching the density in

7411
05:09:31,280 --> 05:09:35,440
this subdivision. Um, as far as the we

7412
05:09:35,440 --> 05:09:37,040
were talking about buffer zones on the

7413
05:09:37,040 --> 05:09:39,200
back of the property and there was

7414
05:09:39,200 --> 05:09:41,920
discussed that they were 15t I believe

7415
05:09:41,920 --> 05:09:43,360
they're 30 feet on the back of the

7416
05:09:43,360 --> 05:09:45,920
property. The tighter buffer is the one

7417
05:09:45,920 --> 05:09:49,680
to the u uh sheep sheepard woods court

7418
05:09:49,680 --> 05:09:53,200
side um where we combed that with a

7419
05:09:53,200 --> 05:09:54,958
three-foot mound and some

7420
05:09:54,958 --> 05:09:57,200
>> some landscape. So on I'm going to say

7421
05:09:57,200 --> 05:09:58,958
to the left of that picture. So the

7422
05:09:58,958 --> 05:10:00,240
houses that are butt up to the left of

7423
05:10:00,240 --> 05:10:02,320
the of of the picture you're putting

7424
05:10:02,320 --> 05:10:03,680
rolling hill mounds on there. Is that

7425
05:10:03,680 --> 05:10:04,080
correct?

7426
05:10:04,080 --> 05:10:06,560
>> To the left the long property line to

7427
05:10:06,560 --> 05:10:07,360
the left.

7428
05:10:07,360 --> 05:10:07,840
>> Yes.

7429
05:10:07,840 --> 05:10:09,600
>> There's a 30 foot. We're keeping the

7430
05:10:09,600 --> 05:10:10,320
trees. We're not cut.

7431
05:10:10,320 --> 05:10:12,638
>> So like a no mo zone basically like

7432
05:10:12,638 --> 05:10:13,440
Okay. Got it. Okay.

7433
05:10:13,440 --> 05:10:14,798
>> And that's part of the green space for

7434
05:10:14,798 --> 05:10:15,600
the subdivision.

7435
05:10:15,600 --> 05:10:16,560
>> Craig, can you stay on the picture you

7436
05:10:16,560 --> 05:10:20,708
had it at?

7437
05:10:20,718 --> 05:10:22,480
» Yeah. Perfect. There you go. And then uh

7438
05:10:22,480 --> 05:10:23,760
Okay. Okay. And then well, I'm going to

7439
05:10:23,760 --> 05:10:25,200
say the top part of the picture where

7440
05:10:25,200 --> 05:10:27,840
it's like a like a Z. There you go. What

7441
05:10:27,840 --> 05:10:28,718
are we doing there?

7442
05:10:28,718 --> 05:10:30,878
>> I can't tell from my map if it's 10 or

7443
05:10:30,878 --> 05:10:33,280
15 which Carl Carl can answer that was

7444
05:10:33,280 --> 05:10:35,280
here, but it it's a different type of

7445
05:10:35,280 --> 05:10:36,638
buffer. It's got the mound with the

7446
05:10:36,638 --> 05:10:37,680
landscaping on it.

7447
05:10:37,680 --> 05:10:38,000
>> Okay.

7448
05:10:38,000 --> 05:10:39,920
>> Um same thing with the with Miss

7449
05:10:39,920 --> 05:10:41,760
Crocker's along Miss Crocker. If you

7450
05:10:41,760 --> 05:10:43,440
look at our site plan, there's a mound

7451
05:10:43,440 --> 05:10:44,718
all the way around that property line,

7452
05:10:44,718 --> 05:10:45,360
too.

7453
05:10:45,360 --> 05:10:48,000
>> Um hypothetically, Miss Crocker, if this

7454
05:10:48,000 --> 05:10:49,280
goes true, do you want do you want a

7455
05:10:49,280 --> 05:10:51,360
mound with landscaping or do you want a

7456
05:10:51,360 --> 05:10:53,360
fence?

7457
05:10:53,360 --> 05:10:56,080
Roger that. Okay. All right. And then uh

7458
05:10:56,080 --> 05:10:58,718
Okay. And then uh so basically is it

7459
05:10:58,718 --> 05:11:00,080
mounds all the way all the way around

7460
05:11:00,080 --> 05:11:01,680
the entire property basically

7461
05:11:01,680 --> 05:11:03,760
>> and and 30 ft of trees? Yeah.

7462
05:11:03,760 --> 05:11:04,320
>> Got it. Okay.

7463
05:11:04,320 --> 05:11:04,798
>> Yes. Okay.

7464
05:11:04,798 --> 05:11:06,480
>> Other than the road and there is some

7465
05:11:06,480 --> 05:11:08,240
along the road too.

7466
05:11:08,240 --> 05:11:10,718
>> Question. Please go ahead. Yeah.

7467
05:11:10,718 --> 05:11:12,400
>> I heard [clears throat] Miss Crocker

7468
05:11:12,400 --> 05:11:14,480
make the comment about a fence all the

7469
05:11:14,480 --> 05:11:16,560
way around her property. I just want to

7470
05:11:16,560 --> 05:11:19,360
clarify. Did you guys just discuss that

7471
05:11:19,360 --> 05:11:22,240
or just about a fence along the border

7472
05:11:22,240 --> 05:11:23,360
to his property?

7473
05:11:23,360 --> 05:11:26,320
>> Yeah. So, so Mr. Gibbs, if so, so her

7474
05:11:26,320 --> 05:11:28,718
pro do you know her property is that?

7475
05:11:28,718 --> 05:11:29,360
>> Yes.

7476
05:11:29,360 --> 05:11:32,080
>> Okay. Is that is that an issue to put up

7477
05:11:32,080 --> 05:11:34,480
a fence basically like like an L right

7478
05:11:34,480 --> 05:11:35,840
there? Would that be an issue? The

7479
05:11:35,840 --> 05:11:37,840
thoughts, what do you think?

7480
05:11:37,840 --> 05:11:39,920
>> No, it's not an issue.

7481
05:11:39,920 --> 05:11:40,560
>> Okay.

7482
05:11:40,560 --> 05:11:42,718
>> Now, the the house that's the second

7483
05:11:42,718 --> 05:11:44,320
house or the house down from her,

7484
05:11:44,320 --> 05:11:46,080
there's nothing behind them. It's just a

7485
05:11:46,080 --> 05:11:48,000
retention pond. Would you be expecting a

7486
05:11:48,000 --> 05:11:48,958
fence there?

7487
05:11:48,958 --> 05:11:50,560
>> I don't think so.

7488
05:11:50,560 --> 05:11:57,270
>> Um, [clears throat]

7489
05:11:57,280 --> 05:11:58,560
» okay. Is that an issue? What are your

7490
05:11:58,560 --> 05:11:59,120
thoughts?

7491
05:11:59,120 --> 05:12:00,798
>> No. But

7492
05:12:00,798 --> 05:12:02,080
>> Okay, fair enough. Okay. All right. All

7493
05:12:02,080 --> 05:12:04,400
right. The things to consider. Okay. Um,

7494
05:12:04,400 --> 05:12:05,920
>> but just so we're clear, we would be

7495
05:12:05,920 --> 05:12:08,400
deleting the mount that goes around

7496
05:12:08,400 --> 05:12:09,040
that.

7497
05:12:09,040 --> 05:12:12,080
>> You can't You can't have both. You can't have both. So, yeah, that's

7498
05:12:12,080 --> 05:12:14,000
what she shows. So, in the event it goes

7499
05:12:14,000 --> 05:12:15,200
through. So,

7500
05:12:15,200 --> 05:12:17,280
>> okay. Uh anything else on on your end

7501
05:12:17,280 --> 05:12:18,480
that you want to go over?

7502
05:12:18,480 --> 05:12:20,958
>> Uh it would discuss about the plans. Um

7503
05:12:20,958 --> 05:12:23,600
none of our other So as you guys

7504
05:12:23,600 --> 05:12:25,520
probably know by now, Maddox Development

7505
05:12:25,520 --> 05:12:27,280
is part of a larger group, actual

7506
05:12:27,280 --> 05:12:29,120
building group and the act Maddox group

7507
05:12:29,120 --> 05:12:31,280
and we do build houses. I do want to

7508
05:12:31,280 --> 05:12:32,560
reiterate we're not building these

7509
05:12:32,560 --> 05:12:35,680
houses. Um I don't have a written

7510
05:12:35,680 --> 05:12:37,280
agreement, but I have intentions from

7511
05:12:37,280 --> 05:12:39,680
Fiser Homes to build these houses.

7512
05:12:39,680 --> 05:12:42,080
>> Okay. Okay. Fisher homes. Okay. And that

7513
05:12:42,080 --> 05:12:44,560
and the plans that we show came from

7514
05:12:44,560 --> 05:12:47,760
Fisher Homes, the uh the the designs

7515
05:12:47,760 --> 05:12:50,320
that you saw in this packet, see,

7516
05:12:50,320 --> 05:12:53,040
>> but and that is obviously um there's

7517
05:12:53,040 --> 05:12:54,480
some contingencies there and it's not a

7518
05:12:54,480 --> 05:12:56,878
final deal, but that is our intention.

7519
05:12:56,878 --> 05:12:58,240
>> Did you talk with the Arbor people

7520
05:12:58,240 --> 05:12:59,040
today?

7521
05:12:59,040 --> 05:12:59,360
>> Who?

7522
05:12:59,360 --> 05:13:02,240
>> The Arbor people tonight. We should have

7523
05:13:02,240 --> 05:13:03,760
>> compet competition might get you a

7524
05:13:03,760 --> 05:13:05,200
better deal.

7525
05:13:05,200 --> 05:13:06,638
>> Okay. Anything [clears throat] else on

7526
05:13:06,638 --> 05:13:09,520
your end at all?

7527
05:13:09,520 --> 05:13:11,440
uh the water drainage. I I think that

7528
05:13:11,440 --> 05:13:13,520
our plan aims to improve the water

7529
05:13:13,520 --> 05:13:15,360
drainage in the area. Like I said, we

7530
05:13:15,360 --> 05:13:17,280
got two retention ponds and one

7531
05:13:17,280 --> 05:13:18,958
detention pond. The retention ponds will

7532
05:13:18,958 --> 05:13:21,120
hold the water and then again, that's

7533
05:13:21,120 --> 05:13:22,638
all kind of regulated by the county and

7534
05:13:22,638 --> 05:13:24,878
so they they have to approve the water

7535
05:13:24,878 --> 05:13:28,320
management plan uh before we they would

7536
05:13:28,320 --> 05:13:32,868
issue us any type of permit.

7537
05:13:32,878 --> 05:13:34,798
» U Mr. Becker, any questions?

7538
05:13:34,798 --> 05:13:35,040
>> No.

7539
05:13:35,040 --> 05:13:37,120
Okay. Mr. Logan, any questions?

7540
05:13:37,120 --> 05:13:39,680
>> No. Um, what what was I didn't ask this

7541
05:13:39,680 --> 05:13:42,480
question. Uh, what ballpark what what

7542
05:13:42,480 --> 05:13:43,520
are you going to be selling these homes

7543
05:13:43,520 --> 05:13:44,878
for? Ballpark each.

7544
05:13:44,878 --> 05:13:46,160
>> I'm not going to be selling the homes,

7545
05:13:46,160 --> 05:13:48,638
but I is there anything? So, the product

7546
05:13:48,638 --> 05:13:51,040
the most comparable product in the new

7547
05:13:51,040 --> 05:13:54,080
the most comparable recent project in

7548
05:13:54,080 --> 05:13:55,760
Union Township would be Bucks and Oaks

7549
05:13:55,760 --> 05:13:57,200
behind Arch Rental.

7550
05:13:57,200 --> 05:13:58,080
>> Okay.

7551
05:13:58,080 --> 05:14:01,280
>> Um, which 400s 400. Okay.

7552
05:14:01,280 --> 05:14:03,120
>> 350 to 450.

7553
05:14:03,120 --> 05:14:07,360
>> Okay. Okay. So, 400K. Okay. Uh why since

7554
05:14:07,360 --> 05:14:10,240
you could fit I assume it's probably was

7555
05:14:10,240 --> 05:14:12,718
it for the green space but I assume you

7556
05:14:12,718 --> 05:14:16,000
could fit what you want in R2. Wh why

7557
05:14:16,000 --> 05:14:16,958
because you don't need to come to us for

7558
05:14:16,958 --> 05:14:19,760
an R2. Why why come to us for an R4?

7559
05:14:19,760 --> 05:14:21,680
>> Because R4 allows for us to have a

7560
05:14:21,680 --> 05:14:24,718
variable design HOA a planned

7561
05:14:24,718 --> 05:14:29,760
development uh the green space uh where

7562
05:14:29,760 --> 05:14:32,638
uh we just look at uh just look at

7563
05:14:32,638 --> 05:14:34,958
Shephard Woods. There's no required

7564
05:14:34,958 --> 05:14:37,280
green space around that perimeter of

7565
05:14:37,280 --> 05:14:38,958
that property or anything like that.

7566
05:14:38,958 --> 05:14:39,840
>> Yeah.

7567
05:14:39,840 --> 05:14:42,000
>> And so we we

7568
05:14:42,000 --> 05:14:43,600
Fisher wants that. They want the HOA.

7569
05:14:43,600 --> 05:14:45,120
They want that controlled area for the

7570
05:14:45,120 --> 05:14:46,000
product they're selling.

7571
05:14:46,000 --> 05:14:48,320
>> Makes sense. Okay. Um any other

7572
05:14:48,320 --> 05:14:50,240
questions at all gentlemen.

7573
05:14:50,240 --> 05:14:51,840
>> Okay. See, hey, Mr. G. Appreciate you

7574
05:14:51,840 --> 05:14:53,520
very much. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

7575
05:14:53,520 --> 05:14:57,680
Okay. And then uh All right.

7576
05:14:57,680 --> 05:15:00,160
>> Okay.

7577
05:15:00,160 --> 05:15:03,280
>> Come on to the mic, please. this

7578
05:15:03,280 --> 05:15:05,040
>> when he's talking about or they're

7579
05:15:05,040 --> 05:15:08,000
talking about fence versus the

7580
05:15:08,000 --> 05:15:09,520
>> you you can't have both.

7581
05:15:09,520 --> 05:15:10,798
>> You can't have both.

7582
05:15:10,798 --> 05:15:13,040
>> But he was having since they're going to

7583
05:15:13,040 --> 05:15:14,798
cut all the trees down in that area

7584
05:15:14,798 --> 05:15:18,160
right in that side where

7585
05:15:18,160 --> 05:15:20,878
>> No, it's going to be a 30 foot mozzone.

7586
05:15:20,878 --> 05:15:21,680
No. Gosh.

7587
05:15:21,680 --> 05:15:22,638
>> In the back.

7588
05:15:22,638 --> 05:15:23,440
>> Correct. Yeah.

7589
05:15:23,440 --> 05:15:26,798
>> But what I'm asking is so they had the

7590
05:15:26,798 --> 05:15:28,400
BM thing or what it's called and they

7591
05:15:28,400 --> 05:15:30,160
had the pine trees. They're going to put

7592
05:15:30,160 --> 05:15:31,840
pine trees there. So if they're defense,

7593
05:15:31,840 --> 05:15:34,160
there's no trees. Is that right?

7594
05:15:34,160 --> 05:15:35,920
>> You still have trees. Uh because he said

7595
05:15:35,920 --> 05:15:37,760
it was going to be a no mo zone. Just

7596
05:15:37,760 --> 05:15:39,200
the the hill mounds are going to go

7597
05:15:39,200 --> 05:15:41,040
away. That's all.

7598
05:15:41,040 --> 05:15:42,638
>> So the pine trees will stay.

7599
05:15:42,638 --> 05:15:44,240
>> Mr. Gibbs, yes or no? Pine trees stay or

7600
05:15:44,240 --> 05:15:45,040
no?

7601
05:15:45,040 --> 05:15:48,000
>> What the design was put on top?

7602
05:15:48,000 --> 05:15:49,040
>> Okay. Okay. So

7603
05:15:49,040 --> 05:15:52,798
>> that's being removed for

7604
05:15:52,798 --> 05:15:55,760
>> Okay. So So hey, I I I I don't I don't

7605
05:15:55,760 --> 05:15:56,718
want to keep going all night. We were

7606
05:15:56,718 --> 05:15:59,040
pushing almost midnight here, guys. So,

7607
05:15:59,040 --> 05:16:03,200
do do we want Hey, Miss Crocker. Miss Crocker, let me look at

7608
05:16:03,200 --> 05:16:04,878
you real quick. You you and I. Do you

7609
05:16:04,878 --> 05:16:06,718
want hill mounds with pine trees or do

7610
05:16:06,718 --> 05:16:07,920
you want a do you want a fence? What

7611
05:16:07,920 --> 05:16:08,798
would you like, miss?

7612
05:16:08,798 --> 05:16:09,760
>> I would like a fence.

7613
05:16:09,760 --> 05:16:11,360
>> Roger that. But I need both. I need

7614
05:16:11,360 --> 05:16:12,638
since the neighbor's not here, Miss

7615
05:16:12,638 --> 05:16:14,160
Crocker's got got president. So, the

7616
05:16:14,160 --> 05:16:15,920
fence is what's going to go in. Um, and

7617
05:16:15,920 --> 05:16:17,440
if he was here, he could have a say and

7618
05:16:17,440 --> 05:16:18,638
then you two could battle it out, but

7619
05:16:18,638 --> 05:16:19,680
I'm sorry. So, you're you're going to

7620
05:16:19,680 --> 05:16:21,360
make the decision for him. Okay. U Miss

7621
05:16:21,360 --> 05:16:23,040
M. Crocker, I'm looking at you. So, so

7622
05:16:23,040 --> 05:16:25,840
your neighbor to your south, assuming

7623
05:16:25,840 --> 05:16:26,958
we'll find out. We're going to discuss

7624
05:16:26,958 --> 05:16:30,400
it first, but uh the the fence it is and that's that's what we'll do. So, the

7625
05:16:30,400 --> 05:16:31,520
hill mounds are going to go away if

7626
05:16:31,520 --> 05:16:32,958
that's what you choose. Okay. Roger

7627
05:16:32,958 --> 05:16:33,440
that. Okay.

7628
05:16:33,440 --> 05:16:34,560
>> And the pine trees.

7629
05:16:34,560 --> 05:16:36,160
Okay. So, uh all

7630
05:16:36,160 --> 05:16:37,440
right, gentlemen. I'll entertain a

7631
05:16:37,440 --> 05:16:40,718
motion to close uh public hearings. Uh

7632
05:16:40,718 --> 05:16:43,680
zoning case number 426-Z

7633
05:16:43,680 --> 05:16:44,560
and Zulu.

7634
05:16:44,560 --> 05:16:45,760
>> So, moved. Second.

7635
05:16:45,760 --> 05:16:47,520
>> Discussion. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7636
05:16:47,520 --> 05:16:48,480
>> Mr. Becker.

7637
05:16:48,480 --> 05:16:49,040
>> Yes.

7638
05:16:49,040 --> 05:16:50,638
>> Mr. Logan.

7639
05:16:50,638 --> 05:16:51,040
>> Yes.

7640
05:16:51,040 --> 05:16:52,080
>> Mr. Dills.

7641
05:16:52,080 --> 05:16:54,480
>> Yes. The public hearing is closed at

7642
05:16:54,480 --> 05:16:55,840
11:16 p.m.

7643
05:16:55,840 --> 05:16:58,080
>> All right. Uh, vice chairman, like

7644
05:16:58,080 --> 05:17:01,040
normal, go to you first, sir.

7645
05:17:01,040 --> 05:17:04,958
>> Spin up that broken record.

7646
05:17:04,958 --> 05:17:06,798
>> I'm uh surprised here. [clears throat]

7647
05:17:06,798 --> 05:17:09,840
I'm going to side with the residents.

7648
05:17:09,840 --> 05:17:10,400
>> No way.

7649
05:17:10,400 --> 05:17:11,360
>> Um,

7650
05:17:11,360 --> 05:17:12,718
>> which resident? I think they're all

7651
05:17:12,718 --> 05:17:16,470
residents of Union Township.

7652
05:17:16,480 --> 05:17:18,560
» That's why he smells like roses

7653
05:17:18,560 --> 05:17:20,958
>> always.

7654
05:17:20,958 --> 05:17:22,560
Go ahead, [snorts] sir. Couple of things

7655
05:17:22,560 --> 05:17:24,638
that that jumped out at me. There's

7656
05:17:24,638 --> 05:17:26,560
legitimate concerns about the the the

7657
05:17:26,560 --> 05:17:28,638
water runoff. Understand detention

7658
05:17:28,638 --> 05:17:30,480
retention basins and such which would

7659
05:17:30,480 --> 05:17:32,400
certainly mitigate it if not entirely

7660
05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:34,240
eliminated.

7661
05:17:34,240 --> 05:17:35,840
There's um you know character of the

7662
05:17:35,840 --> 05:17:37,520
community issue. I think that's most

7663
05:17:37,520 --> 05:17:40,000
compelling. Well, maybe not most

7664
05:17:40,000 --> 05:17:42,240
compelling uh but the issues about how

7665
05:17:42,240 --> 05:17:44,718
narrow Sheepard Road is. And yeah, I've

7666
05:17:44,718 --> 05:17:46,638
been up and down it. I get that. So, you

7667
05:17:46,638 --> 05:17:48,798
have a public safety what I believe is a

7668
05:17:48,798 --> 05:17:51,840
legitimate public safety concern as well

7669
05:17:51,840 --> 05:17:54,400
with the addition additional traffic uh

7670
05:17:54,400 --> 05:17:57,280
going going up and down the road. So, uh

7671
05:17:57,280 --> 05:17:59,520
for those reasons, I will be in no vote.

7672
05:17:59,520 --> 05:18:02,400
>> Okay. Uh Mr. Lug. Sure.

7673
05:18:02,400 --> 05:18:05,360
>> Yeah. Uh look, I feel that I heard I've

7674
05:18:05,360 --> 05:18:11,200
got two three pages of notes here. Um I

7675
05:18:11,200 --> 05:18:14,080
keep keep the decision based off of the

7676
05:18:14,080 --> 05:18:15,360
case that's presented in front of us.

7677
05:18:15,360 --> 05:18:20,240
Obviously, I'd heard some sentiment of

7678
05:18:20,240 --> 05:18:24,080
history and family and purchasers and

7679
05:18:24,080 --> 05:18:27,280
offers made and this is solely based off

7680
05:18:27,280 --> 05:18:29,520
of um the real concerns that I heard

7681
05:18:29,520 --> 05:18:32,160
that were based on the water uh and the

7682
05:18:32,160 --> 05:18:35,120
dynamics there. um and looking at it,

7683
05:18:35,120 --> 05:18:38,400
the water looks that uh working through

7684
05:18:38,400 --> 05:18:41,920
the county uh and the water um

7685
05:18:41,920 --> 05:18:42,958
management

7686
05:18:42,958 --> 05:18:45,360
>> uh but it's also the detention ponds

7687
05:18:45,360 --> 05:18:47,120
that will

7688
05:18:47,120 --> 05:18:48,638
>> basically

7689
05:18:48,638 --> 05:18:50,638
>> grab all the water flow that's coming in

7690
05:18:50,638 --> 05:18:52,480
on the property and control the release

7691
05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:55,360
of it. So I I you know would venture to

7692
05:18:55,360 --> 05:18:57,760
say that that the the overflow and the

7693
05:18:57,760 --> 05:18:59,760
mad rush of the water and storm water

7694
05:18:59,760 --> 05:19:02,718
that that is currently seen uh I believe

7695
05:19:02,718 --> 05:19:05,280
that it will improve and get better uh

7696
05:19:05,280 --> 05:19:06,958
because it's going to have a controlled

7697
05:19:06,958 --> 05:19:10,798
release. Um, and

7698
05:19:10,798 --> 05:19:14,320
I believe between that and the fencing

7699
05:19:14,320 --> 05:19:16,878
were the biggest concerns that that that

7700
05:19:16,878 --> 05:19:22,080
we've heard um of what is aside from an

7701
05:19:22,080 --> 05:19:24,560
R2

7702
05:19:24,560 --> 05:19:28,798
to an R4 and essentially meeting the

7703
05:19:28,798 --> 05:19:32,080
density of that. So

7704
05:19:32,080 --> 05:19:34,320
I I can support the the project as

7705
05:19:34,320 --> 05:19:36,718
brought forward. Okay. Craig, Craig, can

7706
05:19:36,718 --> 05:19:39,276
you go back to that last slide?

7707
05:19:39,276 --> 05:19:41,360
[cough and clears throat] Gosh. Well,

7708
05:19:41,360 --> 05:19:43,120
not not that one. Yeah, there there you

7709
05:19:43,120 --> 05:19:46,080
go. Okay. So, uh concerns I heard

7710
05:19:46,080 --> 05:19:47,200
overall was basically the same

7711
05:19:47,200 --> 05:19:49,360
consensus. Uh too many houses compacted

7712
05:19:49,360 --> 05:19:53,680
into 4.77 acres. Um the green space,

7713
05:19:53,680 --> 05:19:58,560
which I understand that um

7714
05:19:58,560 --> 05:20:02,160
I I don't think 18 homes will kill the

7715
05:20:02,160 --> 05:20:04,480
traffic. I'm not sold on that. I'm sold

7716
05:20:04,480 --> 05:20:06,718
on the other project we voted on 18

7717
05:20:06,718 --> 05:20:08,320
homes. I'm I'm sorry. I'm not sold on

7718
05:20:08,320 --> 05:20:10,000
that part. I think uh it's a good

7719
05:20:10,000 --> 05:20:12,000
argument, but I I don't think it's going

7720
05:20:12,000 --> 05:20:13,120
to affect it that much. The nature

7721
05:20:13,120 --> 05:20:15,120
center, the drainage was the consensus

7722
05:20:15,120 --> 05:20:17,120
was the drainage as well as well as too

7723
05:20:17,120 --> 05:20:18,878
many houses packed onto the one green

7724
05:20:18,878 --> 05:20:23,600
space. Um what I will say is

7725
05:20:23,600 --> 05:20:25,920
uh

7726
05:20:25,920 --> 05:20:28,718
by going to an R4

7727
05:20:28,718 --> 05:20:30,400
that will open up a little bit more

7728
05:20:30,400 --> 05:20:31,840
green space. And I think, you know, when

7729
05:20:31,840 --> 05:20:33,600
the water falls, the water falls in the

7730
05:20:33,600 --> 05:20:34,958
land. Whether there's a roof there, a

7731
05:20:34,958 --> 05:20:36,400
gutter there or not, the water falls in

7732
05:20:36,400 --> 05:20:37,680
the land. I think the two retention

7733
05:20:37,680 --> 05:20:39,538
ponds or I'm sorry, yeah, two retention

7734
05:20:39,538 --> 05:20:40,718
[clears throat] and the one detention

7735
05:20:40,718 --> 05:20:42,560
pond will will will help that. The water

7736
05:20:42,560 --> 05:20:44,320
is the water. Uh whether it hits a roof

7737
05:20:44,320 --> 05:20:45,600
or a gutter or if it hits directly the

7738
05:20:45,600 --> 05:20:47,840
land, it'll it'll help the issues with

7739
05:20:47,840 --> 05:20:52,240
the water drainage. Um

7740
05:20:52,240 --> 05:20:55,200
and uh

7741
05:20:55,200 --> 05:20:57,360
and and

7742
05:20:57,360 --> 05:20:58,958
I mean, we're looking at this. I don't

7743
05:20:58,958 --> 05:21:00,798
think many can argue against the fact

7744
05:21:00,798 --> 05:21:03,040
that it's it's similar very similar to

7745
05:21:03,040 --> 05:21:05,840
Shepherd Woods in in Willowbrook. It's

7746
05:21:05,840 --> 05:21:08,878
very similar. Um

7747
05:21:08,878 --> 05:21:12,798
and I drove by the land uh and it's it's

7748
05:21:12,798 --> 05:21:16,080
the house it needs to come down. So, um

7749
05:21:16,080 --> 05:21:19,040
I agree with it. So,

7750
05:21:19,040 --> 05:21:22,080
um Okay. All right. So gentlemen, I'm

7751
05:21:22,080 --> 05:21:23,200
going to entertain a motion for the

7752
05:21:23,200 --> 05:21:24,718
approval of unit Township zoning case

7753
05:21:24,718 --> 05:21:28,798
4-26-Z as in Zulu uh with modifications

7754
05:21:28,798 --> 05:21:32,240
as recommended, including the white

7755
05:21:32,240 --> 05:21:34,718
vinyl 6-foot fence to surround the two

7756
05:21:34,718 --> 05:21:37,760
properties as discussed. Um I don't know

7757
05:21:37,760 --> 05:21:39,840
the addresses, but we know what they're

7758
05:21:39,840 --> 05:21:40,798
discuss.

7759
05:21:40,798 --> 05:21:42,320
>> So moved.

7760
05:21:42,320 --> 05:21:45,360
>> Second. Uh any further discussion? Mr.

7761
05:21:45,360 --> 05:21:46,400
Campbell, roll call.

7762
05:21:46,400 --> 05:21:47,200
>> Mr. Becker,

7763
05:21:47,200 --> 05:21:48,160
>> no.

7764
05:21:48,160 --> 05:21:49,280
>> Mr. Log,

7765
05:21:49,280 --> 05:21:50,080
>> yes.

7766
05:21:50,080 --> 05:21:51,040
>> Mr. Mr. Dills.

7767
05:21:51,040 --> 05:21:51,760
>> Yes.

7768
05:21:51,760 --> 05:21:52,718
>> Motion carries.

7769
05:21:52,718 --> 05:21:55,360
>> All right. So, a man motion to recess.

7770
05:21:55,360 --> 05:21:57,040
>> So moved.

7771
05:21:57,040 --> 05:21:59,520
>> I'll second. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7772
05:21:59,520 --> 05:22:00,400
>> Mr. Becker.

7773
05:22:00,400 --> 05:22:00,878
>> Yes.

7774
05:22:00,878 --> 05:22:01,760
>> Mr. Log.

7775
05:22:01,760 --> 05:22:02,080
>> Yes.

7776
05:22:02,080 --> 05:22:02,878
>> Mr. Dills.

7777
05:22:02,878 --> 05:29:44,708
>> Yes. We're recess at 11:22 p.m.

7778
05:29:44,718 --> 05:29:47,360
ever.

7779
05:29:47,360 --> 05:29:54,868
>> This is a Christmas party, right?

7780
05:29:54,878 --> 05:29:56,320
» All right.

7781
05:29:56,320 --> 05:29:57,440
>> Oh,

7782
05:29:57,440 --> 05:30:00,878
>> that's right. That's where I met you.

7783
05:30:00,878 --> 05:30:02,480
>> I told you then you speak like a

7784
05:30:02,480 --> 05:30:04,808
Republican.

7785
05:30:04,808 --> 05:30:05,680
>> [laughter]

7786
05:30:05,680 --> 05:30:07,440
>> He was here and I was like, "You're on

7787
05:30:07,440 --> 05:30:09,600
the wrong party, guy."

7788
05:30:09,600 --> 05:30:09,920
>> All right.

7789
05:30:09,920 --> 05:30:12,320
>> I thought good value right there.

7790
05:30:12,320 --> 05:30:13,440
>> All right. Uh,

7791
05:30:13,440 --> 05:30:16,878
>> he sounded very conservative. [laughter]

7792
05:30:16,878 --> 05:30:18,160
>> All right, gentlemen. Entertain a motion

7793
05:30:18,160 --> 05:30:19,360
to exit recess.

7794
05:30:19,360 --> 05:30:21,120
>> So move.

7795
05:30:21,120 --> 05:30:22,160
>> I'll second.

7796
05:30:22,160 --> 05:30:24,240
>> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7797
05:30:24,240 --> 05:30:25,120
>> Mr. Becker.

7798
05:30:25,120 --> 05:30:25,680
>> Yes.

7799
05:30:25,680 --> 05:30:26,480
>> Mr. Lo.

7800
05:30:26,480 --> 05:30:26,878
>> Yes.

7801
05:30:26,878 --> 05:30:27,680
>> Mr. Jills.

7802
05:30:27,680 --> 05:30:28,080
>> Yep.

7803
05:30:28,080 --> 05:30:31,120
>> We're back in session at 11:30

7804
05:30:31,120 --> 05:30:32,080
p.m.

7805
05:30:32,080 --> 05:30:34,160
>> Any old business? Seeing none. I don't

7806
05:30:34,160 --> 05:30:35,840
care if there is. We're gonna move on.

7807
05:30:35,840 --> 05:30:37,360
Just kidding. That was a joke. Uh, all

7808
05:30:37,360 --> 05:30:39,520
right. New business. Our consent agenda.

7809
05:30:39,520 --> 05:30:40,798
Uh, gentlemen, entertain a motion for

7810
05:30:40,798 --> 05:30:42,080
our consent agenda. Approval of the

7811
05:30:42,080 --> 05:30:46,240
minutes 2020, sorry, July 20. Wow. July

7812
05:30:46,240 --> 05:30:48,240
14, 2026 regular meeting minutes. The

7813
05:30:48,240 --> 05:30:49,520
approval of payments prepared by our

7814
05:30:49,520 --> 05:30:51,280
fiscal officer, Ron Campbell, and

7815
05:30:51,280 --> 05:30:52,718
approval of our monthly financial report

7816
05:30:52,718 --> 05:30:54,240
as prepared by our fiscal officer.

7817
05:30:54,240 --> 05:30:55,200
>> So move.

7818
05:30:55,200 --> 05:30:55,600
>> Second.

7819
05:30:55,600 --> 05:30:57,040
>> Mr. Camp. Roll call.

7820
05:30:57,040 --> 05:30:58,080
>> Mr. Becker.

7821
05:30:58,080 --> 05:30:58,400
>> Yes.

7822
05:30:58,400 --> 05:30:59,440
>> Mr. Lo.

7823
05:30:59,440 --> 05:30:59,840
>> Yes.

7824
05:30:59,840 --> 05:31:00,558
>> Mr. Dills.

7825
05:31:00,558 --> 05:31:00,878
>> Yes.

7826
05:31:00,878 --> 05:31:02,240
>> Motion carries.

7827
05:31:02,240 --> 05:31:04,000
>> All right. Uh, Mr. Ray, I'll throw it

7828
05:31:04,000 --> 05:31:05,440
over to you. Approval of our purchase

7829
05:31:05,440 --> 05:31:06,638
orders exceeding 15,000.

7830
05:31:06,638 --> 05:31:08,400
>> First purchase order is blanket purchase

7831
05:31:08,400 --> 05:31:10,240
order for miscellaneous legal fees to

7832
05:31:10,240 --> 05:31:12,878
breaker for 225,000.

7833
05:31:12,878 --> 05:31:15,680
The next purchase order is to Matthew

7834
05:31:15,680 --> 05:31:18,878
Brun Enterprises. That is Champions.

7835
05:31:18,878 --> 05:31:21,840
>> Is that DBA Champions Landscape Supply?

7836
05:31:21,840 --> 05:31:24,000
Matt, is that correct?

7837
05:31:24,000 --> 05:31:26,878
>> That's Matthew Brun Enterprises is DBA

7838
05:31:26,878 --> 05:31:28,718
Champions Landscape Supply.

7839
05:31:28,718 --> 05:31:28,958
>> Yes.

7840
05:31:28,958 --> 05:31:31,040
>> For salt. So that's for our road salt

7841
05:31:31,040 --> 05:31:33,040
contract. You technically can't award a

7842
05:31:33,040 --> 05:31:37,120
bid until you uh have a PO. So that's

7843
05:31:37,120 --> 05:31:40,150
$285,600.

7844
05:31:40,160 --> 05:31:41,920
Next one is Claremont County Water

7845
05:31:41,920 --> 05:31:44,958
Resources for the parks, $50,000 blanket

7846
05:31:44,958 --> 05:31:49,600
PO. Um next one is um Schneller Heating

7847
05:31:49,600 --> 05:31:51,520
and Air Conditioning. We had three units

7848
05:31:51,520 --> 05:31:55,360
at the police department uh grenade at

7849
05:31:55,360 --> 05:32:00,240
the same time. So that's for $39,871

7850
05:32:00,240 --> 05:32:03,280
to replace those three units. Uh the

7851
05:32:03,280 --> 05:32:06,080
next item of business is uh for Flock

7852
05:32:06,080 --> 05:32:08,798
Group for traffic cameras for the ALPRS

7853
05:32:08,798 --> 05:32:11,200
in the amount of $46,900.

7854
05:32:11,200 --> 05:32:13,200
That is our annual contract fee due in

7855
05:32:13,200 --> 05:32:15,360
October. And the last one is Kevin

7856
05:32:15,360 --> 05:32:17,600
Carpenter. That's Dave Carpenter for

7857
05:32:17,600 --> 05:32:20,638
nuisance abatement at 4692 Blue Jacket

7858
05:32:20,638 --> 05:32:24,480
Road in the amount of $26,575.

7859
05:32:24,480 --> 05:32:27,200
And I recommend you know that that would

7860
05:32:27,200 --> 05:32:28,958
be a significant improvement if you guys

7861
05:32:28,958 --> 05:32:29,920
are interested.

7862
05:32:29,920 --> 05:32:31,360
>> That concludes purchase order.

7863
05:32:31,360 --> 05:32:33,600
>> Gentlemen, any question Mr. Right?

7864
05:32:33,600 --> 05:32:36,000
>> Mr. uh I will entertain a motion for the

7865
05:32:36,000 --> 05:32:38,718
approval of purchasers exceeding 15,000

7866
05:32:38,718 --> 05:32:40,638
as recommended by our administrator.

7867
05:32:40,638 --> 05:32:41,600
>> Uh so move

7868
05:32:41,600 --> 05:32:42,240
>> second.

7869
05:32:42,240 --> 05:32:43,280
>> Mr. Kimber roll call.

7870
05:32:43,280 --> 05:32:44,080
>> Mr. Becker.

7871
05:32:44,080 --> 05:32:44,638
>> Yes.

7872
05:32:44,638 --> 05:32:45,440
>> Mr. Logan.

7873
05:32:45,440 --> 05:32:45,760
>> Yes.

7874
05:32:45,760 --> 05:32:46,400
>> Mr. Dills.

7875
05:32:46,400 --> 05:32:46,718
>> Yes.

7876
05:32:46,718 --> 05:32:47,920
>> Motion cares.

7877
05:32:47,920 --> 05:32:50,400
>> All right. Uh

7878
05:32:50,400 --> 05:32:52,320
see uh gentlemen entertain a motion for

7879
05:32:52,320 --> 05:32:56,320
the SWOP 4G 20226207

7880
05:32:56,320 --> 05:32:58,878
road salt contract continuation.

7881
05:32:58,878 --> 05:32:59,520
>> So move

7882
05:32:59,520 --> 05:33:00,320
>> second.

7883
05:33:00,320 --> 05:33:01,520
>> Any discussion?

7884
05:33:01,520 --> 05:33:02,638
>> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7885
05:33:02,638 --> 05:33:03,600
>> Mr. Becker.

7886
05:33:03,600 --> 05:33:03,920
>> Yes.

7887
05:33:03,920 --> 05:33:04,718
>> Mr. Lo.

7888
05:33:04,718 --> 05:33:05,040
>> Yes.

7889
05:33:05,040 --> 05:33:05,680
>> Mr. Dills.

7890
05:33:05,680 --> 05:33:06,000
>> Yes.

7891
05:33:06,000 --> 05:33:06,798
>> Motion carries.

7892
05:33:06,798 --> 05:33:09,920
>> I can tell you retired.

7893
05:33:09,920 --> 05:33:11,600
The uh All right. I entertain a motion

7894
05:33:11,600 --> 05:33:14,240
for the approval of 2026 Halloween

7895
05:33:14,240 --> 05:33:16,400
trick-or- treat hours establishing to

7896
05:33:16,400 --> 05:33:19,200
October 31st. 26 between hours of 6:00

7897
05:33:19,200 --> 05:33:20,240
and 8:00 p.m.

7898
05:33:20,240 --> 05:33:21,040
>> So move.

7899
05:33:21,040 --> 05:33:21,840
>> Second.

7900
05:33:21,840 --> 05:33:24,400
>> Uh discussion. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7901
05:33:24,400 --> 05:33:25,360
>> Mr. Becker.

7902
05:33:25,360 --> 05:33:26,400
>> Yes. Mr. Lo.

7903
05:33:26,400 --> 05:33:26,718
>> Yes.

7904
05:33:26,718 --> 05:33:27,600
>> Mr. Dills.

7905
05:33:27,600 --> 05:33:27,920
>> Yes.

7906
05:33:27,920 --> 05:33:28,878
>> Motion carries.

7907
05:33:28,878 --> 05:33:31,120
>> Uh item four. Uh Mr. Wright, why don't

7908
05:33:31,120 --> 05:33:31,920
you just briefly describe?

7909
05:33:31,920 --> 05:33:34,480
>> Sure. So uh this is for the Tabasco

7910
05:33:34,480 --> 05:33:36,638
Mount Carbasco and Club Pike uh

7911
05:33:36,638 --> 05:33:39,200
intersection. Uh that uh county has gone

7912
05:33:39,200 --> 05:33:40,878
through some initial review. They've

7913
05:33:40,878 --> 05:33:43,920
selected a preliminary alternative and

7914
05:33:43,920 --> 05:33:46,798
uh we originally pledged $50,000

7915
05:33:46,798 --> 05:33:48,718
uh in concert with the transportation

7916
05:33:48,718 --> 05:33:51,360
improvement district for $50,000 and

7917
05:33:51,360 --> 05:33:54,878
they have secured $385,000 from OKI and

7918
05:33:54,878 --> 05:33:57,360
uh J um I don't I'm not I don't remember

7919
05:33:57,360 --> 05:34:01,200
who JNC is, but it's some state agency.

7920
05:34:01,200 --> 05:34:04,240
Anyway, they've got $385,000 in grants.

7921
05:34:04,240 --> 05:34:07,440
We have a $50,000 pledge. T has $50,000

7922
05:34:07,440 --> 05:34:10,558
pledge. preliminary design and detailed

7923
05:34:10,558 --> 05:34:12,400
design came back a little higher.

7924
05:34:12,400 --> 05:34:14,080
There's a funding gap of around

7925
05:34:14,080 --> 05:34:16,480
$144,000.

7926
05:34:16,480 --> 05:34:18,798
Um, in the spirit of continued

7927
05:34:18,798 --> 05:34:20,400
cooperation,

7928
05:34:20,400 --> 05:34:22,240
uh, they are requesting to see if we

7929
05:34:22,240 --> 05:34:23,600
would be willing to split the funding

7930
05:34:23,600 --> 05:34:25,680
gap. Look, it's probably one of our

7931
05:34:25,680 --> 05:34:29,440
worst intersections in in the township,

7932
05:34:29,440 --> 05:34:32,320
particularly at rush hour, and I think

7933
05:34:32,320 --> 05:34:34,798
this would be consistent with our

7934
05:34:34,798 --> 05:34:36,558
approach to continue to fund this,

7935
05:34:36,558 --> 05:34:37,840
consistent with like what we've done

7936
05:34:37,840 --> 05:34:39,280
with the Bach Bucks and Shield

7937
05:34:39,280 --> 05:34:41,760
roundabouts. We're looking at about 100.

7938
05:34:41,760 --> 05:34:45,600
So, uh I think it's like um this would

7939
05:34:45,600 --> 05:34:47,120
push our total funding commitment to

7940
05:34:47,120 --> 05:34:51,280
about 122,000, just under that. And uh

7941
05:34:51,280 --> 05:34:53,200
the county's funding commitment would be

7942
05:34:53,200 --> 05:34:54,718
the same. And this would get us all the

7943
05:34:54,718 --> 05:34:56,958
way through detailed design. Okay. Any

7944
05:34:56,958 --> 05:34:58,558
questions, Mr. Ray? All right.

7945
05:34:58,558 --> 05:34:59,680
Gentlemen, entertain a motion for the

7946
05:34:59,680 --> 05:35:01,280
mount for the approval of Mount Carmel

7947
05:35:01,280 --> 05:35:02,798
Tabasco Club Pike intersection

7948
05:35:02,798 --> 05:35:04,240
improvements, engineering, and design

7949
05:35:04,240 --> 05:35:04,718
funding.

7950
05:35:04,718 --> 05:35:05,360
>> Submit.

7951
05:35:05,360 --> 05:35:06,000
>> Second.

7952
05:35:06,000 --> 05:35:08,240
>> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7953
05:35:08,240 --> 05:35:08,958
>> Mr. Becker.

7954
05:35:08,958 --> 05:35:09,360
>> Yes.

7955
05:35:09,360 --> 05:35:10,080
>> Mr. Logan.

7956
05:35:10,080 --> 05:35:10,480
>> Yes.

7957
05:35:10,480 --> 05:35:11,200
>> Mr. Dills.

7958
05:35:11,200 --> 05:35:11,520
>> Yes.

7959
05:35:11,520 --> 05:35:12,558
>> Motion carries.

7960
05:35:12,558 --> 05:35:14,080
>> All right. Easement approval. Uh, real

7961
05:35:14,080 --> 05:35:15,280
quick, Mr. Right. Go ahead.

7962
05:35:15,280 --> 05:35:17,840
>> Uh, yes. And and just as as far as that

7963
05:35:17,840 --> 05:35:19,600
next item, that last item goes, we'll

7964
05:35:19,600 --> 05:35:20,878
put purchase orders in and everything

7965
05:35:20,878 --> 05:35:22,080
else. We haven't signed anything. thing

7966
05:35:22,080 --> 05:35:23,680
I just told the county I would get the

7967
05:35:23,680 --> 05:35:25,920
board to give me an affirmative on that

7968
05:35:25,920 --> 05:35:28,080
easement approval. So along Icults Road,

7969
05:35:28,080 --> 05:35:29,760
we don't have any easements for the turn

7970
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:32,160
lanes that were installed 22 years ago

7971
05:35:32,160 --> 05:35:35,120
and we also need to have grant an

7972
05:35:35,120 --> 05:35:38,480
easement for the uh uh the box culvert

7973
05:35:38,480 --> 05:35:41,200
repair that's going to take place. So uh

7974
05:35:41,200 --> 05:35:43,920
just need permission uh authorization to

7975
05:35:43,920 --> 05:35:46,240
grant and sign perpetual and temporary

7976
05:35:46,240 --> 05:35:48,558
easements dedicate the rightway along

7977
05:35:48,558 --> 05:35:51,600
Icults and then also for the uh uh box

7978
05:35:51,600 --> 05:35:52,480
culvert repair.

7979
05:35:52,480 --> 05:35:54,718
>> Great. Any questions? Mr. Right. All

7980
05:35:54,718 --> 05:35:56,160
right. Gentlemen entertain a motion for

7981
05:35:56,160 --> 05:35:57,360
the approval of the easement approval

7982
05:35:57,360 --> 05:35:59,680
for Icults road

7983
05:35:59,680 --> 05:36:01,680
and storm easements clar county

7984
05:36:01,680 --> 05:36:02,160
engineer.

7985
05:36:02,160 --> 05:36:03,200
>> So move second.

7986
05:36:03,200 --> 05:36:05,280
>> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

7987
05:36:05,280 --> 05:36:06,000
>> Mr. Becker.

7988
05:36:06,000 --> 05:36:06,320
>> Yes.

7989
05:36:06,320 --> 05:36:07,040
>> Mr. Lo.

7990
05:36:07,040 --> 05:36:07,360
>> Yes.

7991
05:36:07,360 --> 05:36:08,240
>> Mr. Dills.

7992
05:36:08,240 --> 05:36:09,680
>> Yes. Motion carries.

7993
05:36:09,680 --> 05:36:11,600
>> All right. Legislative agenda. Uh, I'll

7994
05:36:11,600 --> 05:36:13,120
entertain a motion for the approval of

7995
05:36:13,120 --> 05:36:15,760
resolution 2026-46,

7996
05:36:15,760 --> 05:36:17,760
nuisance vehicle abatement resolution.

7997
05:36:17,760 --> 05:36:18,558
>> So move.

7998
05:36:18,558 --> 05:36:19,120
>> Second.

7999
05:36:19,120 --> 05:36:21,440
>> Any discussion? Mr. Kim, roll call.

8000
05:36:21,440 --> 05:36:22,160
>> Mr. Becker?

8001
05:36:22,160 --> 05:36:23,280
>> Yes. Mr. Luth?

8002
05:36:23,280 --> 05:36:23,600
>> Yes.

8003
05:36:23,600 --> 05:36:24,400
>> Mr. Dills?

8004
05:36:24,400 --> 05:36:24,958
>> Yes.

8005
05:36:24,958 --> 05:36:26,000
>> Motion carries.

8006
05:36:26,000 --> 05:36:27,760
>> Uh, I entertain a motion for the

8007
05:36:27,760 --> 05:36:31,120
approval of resolution 2026-47,

8008
05:36:31,120 --> 05:36:32,878
nuis nuisance abasement baitment

8009
05:36:32,878 --> 05:36:34,538
resolution. two addresses

8010
05:36:34,538 --> 05:36:37,440
[clears throat] 536 Old State Route 74

8011
05:36:37,440 --> 05:36:42,400
and 821 Whiz New Drive U first pin is

8012
05:36:42,400 --> 05:36:45,600
413 213 A's and alpha 019 second pin is

8013
05:36:45,600 --> 05:36:47,680
414236

8014
05:36:47,680 --> 05:36:50,000
B is in Bravo 014 move

8015
05:36:50,000 --> 05:36:50,400
>> second

8016
05:36:50,400 --> 05:36:52,160
>> any discussion Mr. Camp roll call

8017
05:36:52,160 --> 05:36:52,878
>> Mr. Becker

8018
05:36:52,878 --> 05:36:54,160
>> yes Mr. Lo

8019
05:36:54,160 --> 05:36:54,400
>> yes

8020
05:36:54,400 --> 05:36:55,200
>> Mr. S.

8021
05:36:55,200 --> 05:36:55,520
>> Yes.

8022
05:36:55,520 --> 05:36:56,400
>> Motion carries.

8023
05:36:56,400 --> 05:36:58,080
>> All right. Next one is resolution onto a

8024
05:36:58,080 --> 05:36:59,680
motion for the approval of resolution

8025
05:36:59,680 --> 05:37:02,080
2026-48, the Claremont County Hazard

8026
05:37:02,080 --> 05:37:03,840
Mitigation Plan Adoption.

8027
05:37:03,840 --> 05:37:05,680
>> So move.

8028
05:37:05,680 --> 05:37:06,400
>> Second.

8029
05:37:06,400 --> 05:37:07,840
>> Any discussion?

8030
05:37:07,840 --> 05:37:09,520
>> Mr. Kim, roll call.

8031
05:37:09,520 --> 05:37:10,320
>> Mr. Becker?

8032
05:37:10,320 --> 05:37:10,558
>> Yes.

8033
05:37:10,558 --> 05:37:11,280
>> Mr. Log?

8034
05:37:11,280 --> 05:37:11,600
>> Yes.

8035
05:37:11,600 --> 05:37:12,320
>> Mr. Dills?

8036
05:37:12,320 --> 05:37:12,558
>> Yes.

8037
05:37:12,558 --> 05:37:15,040
>> Motion carries.

8038
05:37:15,040 --> 05:37:16,320
>> Application. Uh, do you want to explain

8039
05:37:16,320 --> 05:37:17,360
the next one? Sure.

8040
05:37:17,360 --> 05:37:18,080
>> Township.

8041
05:37:18,080 --> 05:37:20,320
>> Uh, 202649.

8042
05:37:20,320 --> 05:37:22,000
So the Claremont County Engineers Office

8043
05:37:22,000 --> 05:37:24,160
advised us late, I believe in July,

8044
05:37:24,160 --> 05:37:26,400
Matt, was it that they were not going to

8045
05:37:26,400 --> 05:37:28,718
pursue landslide repair joint

8046
05:37:28,718 --> 05:37:30,240
applications. We typically do our

8047
05:37:30,240 --> 05:37:32,558
landslide repair applications through O

8048
05:37:32,558 --> 05:37:34,718
OPWC and piggyback on the county's

8049
05:37:34,718 --> 05:37:36,400
program. They're not doing that this

8050
05:37:36,400 --> 05:37:40,558
year. So we we uh contacted uh Miami

8051
05:37:40,558 --> 05:37:42,240
Township to see because they also

8052
05:37:42,240 --> 05:37:44,558
participate and they are not they were

8053
05:37:44,558 --> 05:37:47,600
in the same boat we are. And with OPWC

8054
05:37:47,600 --> 05:37:50,798
scoring, if we combine our projects, we

8055
05:37:50,798 --> 05:37:53,680
get better if we are funding partners on

8056
05:37:53,680 --> 05:37:55,280
a family of projects, we get better

8057
05:37:55,280 --> 05:37:55,680
scoring.

8058
05:37:55,680 --> 05:37:56,160
>> Yep.

8059
05:37:56,160 --> 05:37:58,400
>> So, we're looking at for Baldwin Road,

8060
05:37:58,400 --> 05:38:00,718
uh, I just got geotech consult again,

8061
05:38:00,718 --> 05:38:03,040
real preliminary, looking at about a

8062
05:38:03,040 --> 05:38:05,520
total cost of around $700,000. We would

8063
05:38:05,520 --> 05:38:08,000
only apply for a 10% match. There is a

8064
05:38:08,000 --> 05:38:11,120
$10 million uh township set aside this

8065
05:38:11,120 --> 05:38:12,558
year that we're going to try to shoot to

8066
05:38:12,558 --> 05:38:15,280
go after. And I think $700,000 would get

8067
05:38:15,280 --> 05:38:17,600
us a significant portion further up the

8068
05:38:17,600 --> 05:38:19,920
hill, which there's already what two

8069
05:38:19,920 --> 05:38:22,240
segments that are in process now at the

8070
05:38:22,240 --> 05:38:23,040
bottom of the hill

8071
05:38:23,040 --> 05:38:24,240
>> next next week.

8072
05:38:24,240 --> 05:38:26,480
>> Next. Yeah. So So that's imminent. So

8073
05:38:26,480 --> 05:38:28,080
this would give us permission to kind of

8074
05:38:28,080 --> 05:38:30,480
execute agreements, bring uh get

8075
05:38:30,480 --> 05:38:32,160
consulting contracts, do other things

8076
05:38:32,160 --> 05:38:34,000
just to get this thing moving forward.

8077
05:38:34,000 --> 05:38:35,360
Okay.

8078
05:38:35,360 --> 05:38:37,680
>> Okay. Uh gentlemen, I entertain a a

8079
05:38:37,680 --> 05:38:39,200
motion for the approval of resolution

8080
05:38:39,200 --> 05:38:41,920
2026-49, the resolution authorizing

8081
05:38:41,920 --> 05:38:45,520
OPWC, round 41 application union and

8082
05:38:45,520 --> 05:38:47,840
Miami Township slide repairs project. So

8083
05:38:47,840 --> 05:38:48,400
move

8084
05:38:48,400 --> 05:38:49,040
>> second.

8085
05:38:49,040 --> 05:38:51,120
>> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell, roll call.

8086
05:38:51,120 --> 05:38:52,000
>> Mr. Becker,

8087
05:38:52,000 --> 05:38:53,200
>> yes. Mr. Lo,

8088
05:38:53,200 --> 05:38:53,520
>> yes.

8089
05:38:53,520 --> 05:38:54,320
>> Mr. Dills,

8090
05:38:54,320 --> 05:38:54,638
>> yes.

8091
05:38:54,638 --> 05:38:55,600
>> Motion carries.

8092
05:38:55,600 --> 05:38:57,200
>> All right, next one's easy. Looks like

8093
05:38:57,200 --> 05:38:59,520
the disposal of the 2001 Pierce Aerial

8094
05:38:59,520 --> 05:39:02,558
Platform to the UTCIC.

8095
05:39:02,558 --> 05:39:04,558
Uh, gentlemen, I entertain a motion and

8096
05:39:04,558 --> 05:39:07,840
for approval of resolution 2026-50,

8097
05:39:07,840 --> 05:39:09,280
resolution authorizing disposal of

8098
05:39:09,280 --> 05:39:11,200
property to the UTCIC.

8099
05:39:11,200 --> 05:39:12,240
>> Second.

8100
05:39:12,240 --> 05:39:14,160
>> You want any discussion? Mr. Campbell,

8101
05:39:14,160 --> 05:39:14,638
roll call.

8102
05:39:14,638 --> 05:39:15,600
>> Mr. Becker.

8103
05:39:15,600 --> 05:39:16,080
>> Yes.

8104
05:39:16,080 --> 05:39:16,798
>> Mr. Lo.

8105
05:39:16,798 --> 05:39:17,120
>> Yes.

8106
05:39:17,120 --> 05:39:18,080
>> Mr. Dills.

8107
05:39:18,080 --> 05:39:18,558
>> Yes.

8108
05:39:18,558 --> 05:39:19,200
>> Motion carries.

8109
05:39:19,200 --> 05:39:21,040
>> All right. Next one's then for the water

8110
05:39:21,040 --> 05:39:22,958
resources. Uh, gentlemen, obtain a

8111
05:39:22,958 --> 05:39:24,480
motion for the approval of resolution

8112
05:39:24,480 --> 05:39:26,480
2026-51.

8113
05:39:26,480 --> 05:39:27,760
Then now certificate for the Clement

8114
05:39:27,760 --> 05:39:28,958
County Water Resources.

8115
05:39:28,958 --> 05:39:30,240
>> So moved.

8116
05:39:30,240 --> 05:39:30,878
>> Second.

8117
05:39:30,878 --> 05:39:32,480
>> Any discussion? Mr. Just came. Roll

8118
05:39:32,480 --> 05:39:32,798
call.

8119
05:39:32,798 --> 05:39:33,600
>> Mr. Becker.

8120
05:39:33,600 --> 05:39:34,000
>> Yes.

8121
05:39:34,000 --> 05:39:34,638
>> Mr. Lo.

8122
05:39:34,638 --> 05:39:34,958
>> Yes.

8123
05:39:34,958 --> 05:39:35,600
>> Mr. Jill.

8124
05:39:35,600 --> 05:39:35,920
>> Yes.

8125
05:39:35,920 --> 05:39:36,798
>> Motion carries.

8126
05:39:36,798 --> 05:39:39,440
>> All right. Uh. Oh. Comments from the

8127
05:39:39,440 --> 05:39:41,200
board. Mr. Becker.

8128
05:39:41,200 --> 05:39:43,120
>> Uh, I did have something different in

8129
05:39:43,120 --> 05:39:45,120
mind to talk about for board comments.

8130
05:39:45,120 --> 05:39:47,120
I'm going to it can wait till a future

8131
05:39:47,120 --> 05:39:49,440
meeting, but what I don't want to push

8132
05:39:49,440 --> 05:39:52,160
off to a future meeting is is commenting

8133
05:39:52,160 --> 05:39:54,878
about the flock camera concerns. And we

8134
05:39:54,878 --> 05:39:56,958
did hear that uh tonight where a

8135
05:39:56,958 --> 05:39:59,200
gentleman voiced

8136
05:39:59,200 --> 05:40:01,520
uh his you know very legitimate

8137
05:40:01,520 --> 05:40:03,360
concerns.

8138
05:40:03,360 --> 05:40:06,320
When we first got these, the libertarian

8139
05:40:06,320 --> 05:40:08,878
side of me was queasy.

8140
05:40:08,878 --> 05:40:10,798
Um

8141
05:40:10,798 --> 05:40:12,240
and I was surprised there was actually

8142
05:40:12,240 --> 05:40:16,400
no opposition at the time.

8143
05:40:16,400 --> 05:40:20,160
the um of course as time went on there's

8144
05:40:20,160 --> 05:40:22,798
been no abuse or reason to suspect any

8145
05:40:22,798 --> 05:40:24,638
abuse at least not here locally in Union

8146
05:40:24,638 --> 05:40:26,160
Township and they've been

8147
05:40:26,160 --> 05:40:28,718
extraordinarily effective in fighting

8148
05:40:28,718 --> 05:40:31,120
crime of course you know the other side

8149
05:40:31,120 --> 05:40:33,200
of that nobody wants Union Township or

8150
05:40:33,200 --> 05:40:34,320
the rest of the country to be a

8151
05:40:34,320 --> 05:40:35,920
surveillance state so I do get those

8152
05:40:35,920 --> 05:40:38,240
concerns

8153
05:40:38,240 --> 05:40:41,280
um you know is is I think the the whole

8154
05:40:41,280 --> 05:40:42,878
board here agrees I know I've heard you

8155
05:40:42,878 --> 05:40:44,240
say that and I think as well as Mr.

8156
05:40:44,240 --> 05:40:46,320
still is that this isn't a hill any of

8157
05:40:46,320 --> 05:40:47,600
us are willing to die on. If the

8158
05:40:47,600 --> 05:40:49,520
community wants it out, then then

8159
05:40:49,520 --> 05:40:52,240
they're then then we'll take them out.

8160
05:40:52,240 --> 05:40:55,040
I've only heard from a very few handful

8161
05:40:55,040 --> 05:40:56,798
of people. I'm not even sure the people

8162
05:40:56,798 --> 05:40:58,558
I've heard from even live in township.

8163
05:40:58,558 --> 05:41:01,360
Some clearly do. Some I'm not too too

8164
05:41:01,360 --> 05:41:02,878
sure about. Regardless, it seems to be a

8165
05:41:02,878 --> 05:41:05,280
vocal minority rather than a prevailing

8166
05:41:05,280 --> 05:41:07,440
opinion across, you know, 50,000

8167
05:41:07,440 --> 05:41:10,400
residents or whatever the number is. I

8168
05:41:10,400 --> 05:41:13,040
did um yesterday had a meeting with the

8169
05:41:13,040 --> 05:41:16,000
uh with a representative from Flock. Uh

8170
05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:18,240
this was over at the uh police

8171
05:41:18,240 --> 05:41:20,400
department. Uh we had a good discussion,

8172
05:41:20,400 --> 05:41:25,360
answered uh my my concerns and um um you

8173
05:41:25,360 --> 05:41:27,440
know, I'm I'm I'm comfortable with uh

8174
05:41:27,440 --> 05:41:29,200
continuing to have those in Union

8175
05:41:29,200 --> 05:41:31,920
Township. And that concludes my remarks.

8176
05:41:31,920 --> 05:41:33,840
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Luke,

8177
05:41:33,840 --> 05:41:35,920
>> do they give you the unlimited password

8178
05:41:35,920 --> 05:41:37,600
and secret code so you can see

8179
05:41:37,600 --> 05:41:39,920
everybody's images? I forgot to ask for

8180
05:41:39,920 --> 05:41:40,320
that.

8181
05:41:40,320 --> 05:41:42,718
>> Okay, Mr. Becker's. So, everyone, uh,

8182
05:41:42,718 --> 05:41:45,760
John Becker and his phone number. No,

8183
05:41:45,760 --> 05:41:47,600
thank you, John, for for those update.

8184
05:41:47,600 --> 05:41:50,240
That's good. Um, no, I'll keep it short

8185
05:41:50,240 --> 05:41:52,878
for tonight. Just happy to to to hear

8186
05:41:52,878 --> 05:41:54,000
from the residents. Hear from the

8187
05:41:54,000 --> 05:41:56,480
residents. Obviously, things are never

8188
05:41:56,480 --> 05:42:00,480
black and white and super uh uh simple.

8189
05:42:00,480 --> 05:42:02,000
Uh, and so it's good to be able to hear

8190
05:42:02,000 --> 05:42:03,200
from the residents through and through

8191
05:42:03,200 --> 05:42:06,638
from flock to water and fencing and

8192
05:42:06,638 --> 05:42:08,638
bushes.

8193
05:42:08,638 --> 05:42:11,440
floor to you, Mr. Dills. Mr. Becker, I

8194
05:42:11,440 --> 05:42:13,120
agree with your sentiments on flot

8195
05:42:13,120 --> 05:42:15,520
cameras, so we're on the same page. Uh,

8196
05:42:15,520 --> 05:42:17,760
upcoming events, the next park

8197
05:42:17,760 --> 05:42:19,040
recreations committee meeting is

8198
05:42:19,040 --> 05:42:21,120
Thursday, August 13th at 5:00 pm right

8199
05:42:21,120 --> 05:42:23,360
here. Next township zoning meeting will

8200
05:42:23,360 --> 05:42:25,600
be Wednesday, August 26th, right here at

8201
05:42:25,600 --> 05:42:29,280
7 p.m. Uh, next board of uh, zoning

8202
05:42:29,280 --> 05:42:31,360
appeals will be Thursday, September 3rd

8203
05:42:31,360 --> 05:42:34,320
at 7 PM. Our next regular business

8204
05:42:34,320 --> 05:42:36,000
meeting will be the second Tuesday of

8205
05:42:36,000 --> 05:42:38,878
the month, September 8th at 6 PM.

8206
05:42:38,878 --> 05:42:40,320
Township offices will be closed

8207
05:42:40,320 --> 05:42:42,000
September 7th in observance of Labor

8208
05:42:42,000 --> 05:42:43,920
Day. Farmers Market is being held on

8209
05:42:43,920 --> 05:42:45,440
Fridays from 4:00 to 7:00 p.m. right

8210
05:42:45,440 --> 05:42:47,760
here on the Civic Center campus. Pickle

8211
05:42:47,760 --> 05:42:50,718
Ball Slam is Saturday 8 uh August 15th

8212
05:42:50,718 --> 05:42:54,638
at 8 a.m. at Cleper Park.

8213
05:42:54,638 --> 05:43:00,320
And uh the Marty Connor Band uh concert is

8214
05:43:00,320 --> 05:43:01,680
canled in inclement matter. Oh, it's

8215
05:43:01,680 --> 05:43:04,480
rescheduled for August 28th, uh 7:00

8216
05:43:04,480 --> 05:43:06,000
p.m. right here at Civic Center behind

8217
05:43:06,000 --> 05:43:08,480
us. Uh, Mount Mariah Cemetery lantern

8218
05:43:08,480 --> 05:43:10,878
lighting is Saturday, September 19th,

8219
05:43:10,878 --> 05:43:13,920
uh, from 5 to 7:30 pm. and the UT

8220
05:43:13,920 --> 05:43:15,760
fireworks celebration that we always

8221
05:43:15,760 --> 05:43:19,600
have September 26 live music at RJ's uh

8222
05:43:19,600 --> 05:43:22,480
which will all begin at 4 pm

8223
05:43:22,480 --> 05:43:24,878
and concert or the fireworks at 8:45

8224
05:43:24,878 --> 05:43:27,520
p.m. Uh the our fire department has our

8225
05:43:27,520 --> 05:43:29,280
open house kickoff, annual open house

8226
05:43:29,280 --> 05:43:30,958
kickoff, national fire prevention week,

8227
05:43:30,958 --> 05:43:35,040
October 4th uh from 11 to 1 pm and

8228
05:43:35,040 --> 05:43:38,558
located at the water tower. And uh

8229
05:43:38,558 --> 05:43:39,680
police department invites residents to

8230
05:43:39,680 --> 05:43:40,958
local businesses to an open house

8231
05:43:40,958 --> 05:43:44,558
Saturday, October 10th from noon uh from

8232
05:43:44,558 --> 05:43:46,320
noon to 4 p.m. at the police department

8233
05:43:46,320 --> 05:43:49,920
building. and uh UT's uh sip and shop

8234
05:43:49,920 --> 05:43:52,878
will be held Saturday, October 17th from

8235
05:43:52,878 --> 05:43:55,120
noon to 4:00 right here at the Civic

8236
05:43:55,120 --> 05:43:58,240
Center campus. And trick-or-treating

8237
05:43:58,240 --> 05:44:00,798
October 31st from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Next

8238
05:44:00,798 --> 05:44:03,040
CPR training will be held with our fire

8239
05:44:03,040 --> 05:44:05,520
department uh September 12th from 9:00

8240
05:44:05,520 --> 05:44:09,440
a.m. to 1:00 p.m. And uh All right,

8241
05:44:09,440 --> 05:44:11,920
gentlemen. I will entertain a motion for

8242
05:44:11,920 --> 05:44:14,400
the approval to enter executive session.

8243
05:44:14,400 --> 05:44:15,920
Motion during executive session present

8244
05:44:15,920 --> 05:44:19,120
to Ohio revised code 121.22G is engulf

8245
05:44:19,120 --> 05:44:22,320
as follows. To consider the purchase of

8246
05:44:22,320 --> 05:44:24,320
property for public purposes, the sale

8247
05:44:24,320 --> 05:44:26,080
of property at competitive bidding or

8248
05:44:26,080 --> 05:44:28,558
the sale of other uh disposition of

8249
05:44:28,558 --> 05:44:31,360
unneeded, obsolete or unfit for use

8250
05:44:31,360 --> 05:44:33,200
property in accordance with section

8251
05:44:33,200 --> 05:44:37,760
505.10 of the Ohio of of revised code. A

8252
05:44:37,760 --> 05:44:39,200
premature disclosure of information

8253
05:44:39,200 --> 05:44:40,400
would give unfair, competitive, or

8254
05:44:40,400 --> 05:44:41,920
bargaining advantage to a person whose

8255
05:44:41,920 --> 05:44:44,798
personal private interest is adverse to

8256
05:44:44,798 --> 05:44:46,558
the general public interest. Uh, number

8257
05:44:46,558 --> 05:44:49,200
two is to confer with an attorney for

8258
05:44:49,200 --> 05:44:50,718
the public body concerning disputes

8259
05:44:50,718 --> 05:44:52,240
involving the public body that are the

8260
05:44:52,240 --> 05:44:54,080
subject of pending or imminent court

8261
05:44:54,080 --> 05:44:57,520
action pursuant to pursuant to Ohio

8262
05:44:57,520 --> 05:45:00,320
Revised Code section 121.22G is engulf

8263
05:45:00,320 --> 05:45:02,718
three. Item three is preparing for

8264
05:45:02,718 --> 05:45:04,718
conducting or reviewing negotiations or

8265
05:45:04,718 --> 05:45:06,638
bargaining sessions with public

8266
05:45:06,638 --> 05:45:08,160
employees concerning their compensation

8267
05:45:08,160 --> 05:45:10,320
and other terms and conditions of their

8268
05:45:10,320 --> 05:45:12,160
employment pursuant to Ohio revised code

8269
05:45:12,160 --> 05:45:15,600
section 121.22 Golf 4. Last item is item

8270
05:45:15,600 --> 05:45:17,280
four to consider confidential

8271
05:45:17,280 --> 05:45:18,878
information related to the marketing

8272
05:45:18,878 --> 05:45:20,400
plan, specific business strategy,

8273
05:45:20,400 --> 05:45:22,400
production techniques, trade secrets, or

8274
05:45:22,400 --> 05:45:23,920
personal financial statements of an

8275
05:45:23,920 --> 05:45:25,280
applicant for economic development

8276
05:45:25,280 --> 05:45:28,080
assistance or to negotiations with other

8277
05:45:28,080 --> 05:45:30,320
political subdivisions respecting

8278
05:45:30,320 --> 05:45:31,920
request for economic development

8279
05:45:31,920 --> 05:45:33,760
assistance provided that both of the

8280
05:45:33,760 --> 05:45:35,360
following conditions apply. The

8281
05:45:35,360 --> 05:45:36,958
information is directly related to a

8282
05:45:36,958 --> 05:45:38,160
request for economic development

8283
05:45:38,160 --> 05:45:41,280
assistance that is to be provided or

8284
05:45:41,280 --> 05:45:43,280
administered under any provision of

8285
05:45:43,280 --> 05:45:48,718
chapter 715, 725, 1724 or 1728 or

8286
05:45:48,718 --> 05:45:53,990
sections 701.073735.67

8287
05:45:54,000 --> 05:45:57,110
to3735.70

8288
05:45:57,120 --> 05:46:00,390
5709.402

8289
05:46:00,400 --> 05:46:02,638
579.43

8290
05:46:02,638 --> 05:46:07,200
579.612 61 to 579.69

8291
05:46:07,200 --> 05:46:08,718
5709.73

8292
05:46:08,718 --> 05:46:10,638
to 579.75

8293
05:46:10,638 --> 05:46:13,120
or 579.77

8294
05:46:13,120 --> 05:46:15,840
to 579.81 of the Ohio Revised Code that

8295
05:46:15,840 --> 05:46:16,958
involves public infrastructure

8296
05:46:16,958 --> 05:46:19,360
improvements or the extension of utility

8297
05:46:19,360 --> 05:46:20,878
services that are directly related to an

8298
05:46:20,878 --> 05:46:23,680
economic development project. and B, a

8299
05:46:23,680 --> 05:46:25,440
unanimous quorum of a public body

8300
05:46:25,440 --> 05:46:27,280
determines by a roll call vote that the

8301
05:46:27,280 --> 05:46:28,480
executive session is necessary to

8302
05:46:28,480 --> 05:46:31,040
protect the interest of the applicant or

8303
05:46:31,040 --> 05:46:33,280
the possible investment or expenditure

8304
05:46:33,280 --> 05:46:35,360
of public funds to be made in connection

8305
05:46:35,360 --> 05:46:36,798
with the economic development project

8306
05:46:36,798 --> 05:46:38,958
pursued to high revised code section

8307
05:46:38,958 --> 05:46:42,798
121.22 G is engulf 8. My gosh, what what

8308
05:46:42,798 --> 05:46:45,600
>> sound move?

8309
05:46:45,600 --> 05:46:46,718
>> Second,

8310
05:46:46,718 --> 05:46:49,040
>> Mr. Campbell, roll call.

8311
05:46:49,040 --> 05:46:49,840
>> Mr. Becker,

8312
05:46:49,840 --> 05:46:50,480
>> yes.

8313
05:46:50,480 --> 05:46:51,360
>> Mr. Lo,

8314
05:46:51,360 --> 05:46:52,638
>> yes. Mr. Dills.

8315
05:46:52,638 --> 05:46:53,440
>> Yes.

8316
05:46:53,440 --> 05:46:56,240
>> Okay. We're into executive session at

8317
05:46:56,240 --> 05:46:57,840
11:46

8318
05:46:57,840 --> 05:46:58,558
p.m.

8319
05:46:58,558 --> 05:47:00,718
>> I was reading and I'm like,

8320
05:47:00,718 --> 05:47:03,600
>> you guys

8321
05:47:03,600 --> 05:47:05,120
see you.

8322
05:47:05,120 --> 06:08:08,230
>> Thanks, gentlemen.

8323
06:08:08,240 --> 06:08:14,230
You You can do whatever you'd like.

8324
06:08:14,240 --> 06:08:16,400
» I want to go home.

8325
06:08:16,400 --> 06:08:18,160
>> It is midnight. You know, we're going to

8326
06:08:18,160 --> 06:08:21,200
hear about this tomorrow

8327
06:08:21,200 --> 06:08:23,520
>> today. Back there.

8328
06:08:23,520 --> 06:08:25,120
>> Good to go.

8329
06:08:25,120 --> 06:08:26,240
>> She was just there.

8330
06:08:26,240 --> 06:08:26,638
>> There she is.

8331
06:08:26,638 --> 06:08:27,680
>> She's got thumbs up.

8332
06:08:27,680 --> 06:08:29,760
>> All right. All right. Uh, gentlemen,

8333
06:08:29,760 --> 06:08:31,680
I'll entertain a motion to exit

8334
06:08:31,680 --> 06:08:33,600
executive session with no action taken.

8335
06:08:33,600 --> 06:08:34,160
>> So move.

8336
06:08:34,160 --> 06:08:34,718
>> Second.

8337
06:08:34,718 --> 06:08:36,400
>> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

8338
06:08:36,400 --> 06:08:37,280
>> Mr. Becker.

8339
06:08:37,280 --> 06:08:37,920
>> Yes.

8340
06:08:37,920 --> 06:08:38,798
>> Mr. Log.

8341
06:08:38,798 --> 06:08:39,280
>> Yes.

8342
06:08:39,280 --> 06:08:40,480
>> Mr. Dills.

8343
06:08:40,480 --> 06:08:41,120
>> Yes.

8344
06:08:41,120 --> 06:08:43,120
>> We're out of executive session with no

8345
06:08:43,120 --> 06:08:45,840
action taken at 12:08 p.m.

8346
06:08:45,840 --> 06:08:47,200
>> Well, gentlemen, it's my

8347
06:08:47,200 --> 06:08:49,760
>> pleasure. AM. I'm sorry. [laughter]

8348
06:08:49,760 --> 06:08:52,080
>> On uh Wednesday morning, it's my

8349
06:08:52,080 --> 06:08:54,080
pleasure to chair the arguably the

8350
06:08:54,080 --> 06:08:55,920
longest trustee meeting in the history

8351
06:08:55,920 --> 06:08:56,638
of town.

8352
06:08:56,638 --> 06:08:57,280
>> You're proud of yourself.

8353
06:08:57,280 --> 06:08:58,558
>> Yeah, very proud. It's all your fault.

8354
06:08:58,558 --> 06:09:01,120
>> Well, hey, public public session, public

8355
06:09:01,120 --> 06:09:01,920
input. That's

8356
06:09:01,920 --> 06:09:02,958
>> can't wait to hear about this on the

8357
06:09:02,958 --> 06:09:04,400
news tomorrow. We just want news.

8358
06:09:04,400 --> 06:09:06,718
Anyways, uh I entertain a motion to

8359
06:09:06,718 --> 06:09:07,760
adjourn.

8360
06:09:07,760 --> 06:09:08,320
>> So vote.

8361
06:09:08,320 --> 06:09:08,798
>> Second.

8362
06:09:08,798 --> 06:09:10,000
>> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.

8363
06:09:10,000 --> 06:09:11,120
>> Mr. Becker.

8364
06:09:11,120 --> 06:09:11,440
>> Yes.

8365
06:09:11,440 --> 06:09:12,240
>> Mr. Log.

8366
06:09:12,240 --> 06:09:12,558
>> Yes.

8367
06:09:12,558 --> 06:09:13,360
>> Mr. Dills.

8368
06:09:13,360 --> 06:09:13,760
>> Yes.

8369
06:09:13,760 --> 06:09:17,120
>> We're adjourned at 12:09 a.m.

8370
06:09:17,120 --> 06:09:20,214
>> Did you hear about the the death march?

8371
06:09:20,214 --> 06:09:22,788
[laughter]

8372
06:09:22,798 --> 06:09:25,280
» It's common.

8373
06:09:25,280 --> 06:09:27,440
Out of all the zooming cases that were

8374
06:09:27,440 --> 06:09:30,240
those