[1:06] How are you?
[1:15] As bad as it sounds
[1:35] for a while.
[2:08] There's not
[2:35] Good stuff.
[2:39] All right.
[3:23] Okay.
[3:37] Yes.
[4:13] All right, perfect. Hey, welcome
[4:14] everyone. Thanks for coming to our
[4:16] meeting tonight for our business
[4:17] meeting. If you could please rise and
[4:19] join us for the pledge of allegiance.
[4:22] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[4:25] United States of America and to the
[4:27] republic for which it stands. One nation
[4:30] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[4:33] justice for all.
[4:39] Okay.
[4:42] [clears throat] Well, welcome everyone.
[4:44] Thank you for showing up to our monthly
[4:46] business meeting. And uh Mr. Campbell,
[4:49] let the record reflect that all three
[4:50] trustees are present. Even Mr. Becker
[4:54] who had a little health scare. So glad
[4:56] you could be here with us. I'm glad
[4:57] you're doing all right.
[4:58] >> That's fine.
[4:58] >> The uh before we get into things, I'll I
[5:01] always like to go over this so everyone
[5:03] knows. Uh here in just a moment, we're
[5:05] going to have public comments and public
[5:07] comments uh are you have comment cards
[5:09] back there and that's for you to talk
[5:11] about anything that you want. You get
[5:12] five minutes to talk to the board and
[5:14] things that are on your mind. If you're
[5:16] here for a couple of the zoning cases,
[5:18] which I'm betting some of you probably
[5:20] are, uh I would suggest holding your
[5:23] comments until we get to that zoning
[5:25] case because basically you're going to
[5:26] have to repeat yourself twice. Uh if
[5:27] that makes sense. So,
[5:28] >> [clears throat]
[5:28] >> um for the sake of that, I would say
[5:30] wait till we get to that zoning
[5:32] resolution case. Uh but uh if you have
[5:34] anything else on your mind here in just
[5:35] a moment, you want to grab a public
[5:37] comment card back there, fill that out,
[5:38] and then we'll come by and grab that uh
[5:41] here in just a moment. Uh so, Mr. Mr.
[5:44] Campbell, are there any correspondents
[5:46] for tonight?
[5:47] >> Yes, sir. I have two. The first one is a
[5:49] liquor permit. Uh, this is a new permit
[5:53] for Amy's FNB LLC,
[5:57] uh, doing business as scramblers. 4375
[6:00] Ferguson Drive, Sweet C, Cincinnati,
[6:02] Ohio 45245.
[6:05] Um,
[6:07] police department says I have no
[6:08] objections and Mr. Flowy has sent over
[6:11] the corresponding zoning and it is
[6:14] permitted in that use.
[6:17] Uh second, I've got a um a letter from
[6:21] the Cincinnati Snapdragons
[6:24] uh thank you card. Really says to our
[6:26] friends at Union Township, thank you
[6:28] again for all your support of the
[6:30] Snapdragons.
[6:31] Our athletes had fun playing baseball
[6:34] this season.
[6:36] Please accept our donation as gratitude
[6:39] for all you do. The Cincinnati Stop
[6:42] Dragons.
[6:44] That concludes the correspondence. Good
[6:46] job, Mr. Campbell. Appreciate that very
[6:47] much. And uh Okay, personnel actions
[6:51] tonight. And uh Mr. Taylor, they are
[6:55] both for you. So, I will throw the floor
[6:57] over to you and I'm going to let you
[6:58] introduce the first candidate, sir.
[7:03] » Thank you, Mr. uh Dills. Uh oh. Stand in
[7:07] front of the podium.
[7:08] >> To the podium.
[7:09] Just turn around the
[7:10] other side.
[7:11] >> Yeah.
[7:12] >> Well, we're the ones that got to vote on
[7:14] you. So, [laughter]
[7:16] >> it's all right.
[7:17] >> We're going to we're going to use this
[7:18] video future
[7:19] >> after we hear from the audience.
[7:20] [laughter]
[7:22] >> Thank presenting to the board of
[7:25] trustees Eric Lenslogger for
[7:27] consideration of employment with the
[7:29] Union Township Service Department. Mr.
[7:31] Lens Slogger is a resident of Claremont
[7:33] County.
[7:35] Mr. Lton Slogger has uh an extensive
[7:39] background in construction, concrete,
[7:41] and blacktop, having spent many years in
[7:43] the private sector as well as the public
[7:45] sector. Uh Mr. Louden Slogger has
[7:49] successfully completed all
[7:50] pre-employment phases for the
[7:52] maintenance worker one position. I would
[7:54] like to request that the board appoint
[7:57] Mr. or will Eric Lens Slogger to the
[7:59] position of maintenance worker one in
[8:01] accordance with the collective
[8:02] bargaining agreement at the two-year
[8:05] rate. Mr. Lton Slugger start date would
[8:08] be September 2nd, 2026.
[8:11] >> Got it.
[8:13] >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chiller. Uh Mr.
[8:16] Becker, anything for Eric?
[8:17] >> Uh just want to say uh thank you for
[8:20] considering Union Township for
[8:22] employment. You sound like you are
[8:24] qualified for the position.
[8:25] >> Thank you.
[8:27] Mr. Luke, sir.
[8:28] >> Uh, hey, no, just we're looking forward
[8:30] to welcoming you to the team. We have uh
[8:32] so much trust and respect in uh uh your
[8:34] boss, Mr. Taylor, and so we know anyone
[8:37] that he brings forward is uh uh going to
[8:39] be a great asset to to support him and
[8:42] the team. So, we're looking forward to
[8:43] having you. Thanks.
[8:44] >> The uh Eric, yeah, you you got your
[8:47] family here?
[8:48] >> I did not.
[8:48] >> No, it's okay. No sweat. The uh uh
[8:50] Claremont County resident, fantastic. A
[8:52] lot of asphalt experience. uh you you'll
[8:55] definitely be a good fit for the team.
[8:56] Uh service department is a great group
[8:58] of guys. You're going to love them. So
[8:59] they'll have your back. Everyone's
[9:01] teammanship mentality. Uh so you you'll
[9:04] love it. So um yeah, welcome to the
[9:06] team. So uh give me just one more minute
[9:08] and then by the way, after we get done
[9:09] voting, if you could uh hang out to the
[9:12] side just for a minute and then we got
[9:13] one more in the service department, then
[9:14] we'll grab a picture with you before you
[9:16] go. Okay. Perfect. Yeah, no sweat. So uh
[9:18] gentlemen, I'll entertain a motion for
[9:20] the approval of the hire of Eric
[9:22] Lenslagger. That's not German, is it?
[9:26] >> To the position of maintenance worker
[9:27] one at the step three two-year rate
[9:29] consistent with the collective bargain
[9:30] agreement with effective date of
[9:31] September 2nd, 2026 pending successful
[9:34] completion of physical examination.
[9:36] >> So move second.
[9:37] >> All right. Any discussion? Mr. Campbell.
[9:39] Roll call.
[9:40] >> Mr. Becker.
[9:41] >> Yes.
[9:42] >> Mr. Lo.
[9:42] >> Yes.
[9:43] >> Mr. Dills.
[9:44] >> Yes.
[9:44] >> Motion carries.
[9:45] >> Congratulations, Eric.
[9:52] Eric.
[9:53] >> Eric.
[9:57] » Yeah.
[9:58] >> Congratulations.
[10:00] >> He's new here.
[10:01] >> Congratulations.
[10:02] >> Congrats. Welcome aboard.
[10:03] >> Congratulations.
[10:05] >> Congrats, Eric.
[10:10] » Thank you.
[10:11] >> And there just hang out real quick.
[10:13] >> Either way. Yeah. the uh do whatever you
[10:17] want.
[10:18] >> Mr. Taylor, sir, I will throw the floor
[10:19] right back over to you, sir.
[10:22] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. Uh tonight, I
[10:25] would like to present an employee for
[10:27] consideration of promotion. I would like
[10:30] to present John Cascaden for the
[10:31] position of maintenance worker 2, Mr.
[10:34] Cascaden. Cascaden has been a service
[10:36] department employee since 2006. During
[10:39] his tenure, Mr. Cascaden has worked in
[10:42] all facets of the service department. He
[10:44] has also became a certified playground
[10:46] safety instructor and has also received
[10:49] a certification in parks and recreation
[10:51] management from the NR NP.
[10:55] Mr. Cascaden also has an associates
[10:57] degree in business administration and
[10:59] has successfully completed all facets of
[11:01] the promotion
[11:02] >> and tested for his weight. [laughter]
[11:05] So, um, no, we're we're thrilled that you continue your service
[11:09] with us. Uh, so thank you for that.
[11:12] John, you got your family here, right?
[11:16] >> Let me please point them out. Point
[11:17] [clears throat] them out, please.
[11:19] [snorts]
[11:22] » Yeah, I saw I saw
[11:25] >> our dispatch. Yeah.
[11:26] >> Yeah. Well, good. Good. The uh uh John,
[11:29] good people, man. 20 years you've been
[11:31] with Union Township. Appreciate you very
[11:32] much. And uh no doubt you're a leader
[11:34] within the team. And uh I know Mr.
[11:37] Becker has. I have. We've seen you
[11:39] downstairs at the gym many many times
[11:40] getting out after 12:00 noon for
[11:42] lunchtime like clockworks. So uh but you always step up and help help uh the
[11:47] whole team whenever needed. So
[11:49] appreciate you very much. Also I've
[11:50] heard Mr. Taylor said you went back and
[11:51] got several certifications education
[11:53] while you've been here for the past 20
[11:55] years. Appreciate you very much. So uh
[11:56] no doubt we want you to stay here and
[11:58] retire with us. So you're doing a great
[11:59] job. So appreciate you very much. Yeah
[12:01] absolutely. So uh gentlemen I'll
[12:02] entertain a motion for the approval for
[12:05] the promotion of John Cascaden Jr. to
[12:06] the position of maintenance two worker
[12:08] maintenance worker two at the step five
[12:10] 5-year rate consistent with collective
[12:12] bargaining agreement effective date
[12:13] August 12th 2026
[12:15] >> move
[12:22] okay
[12:36] » all All right. And by the way, s they're
[12:37] going to clear off for a second. If
[12:38] anyone has a public comment card, Miss
[12:41] is going to be walking around right
[12:42] there. If you could hand that to her.
[12:44] This is not for zoning cases. Just just
[12:46] public comment. She's going to grab
[12:47] those.
[12:49] Anyone? Oh, it looks like looks like
[12:51] Jude's got one. Perfect.
[12:54] All right.
[12:58] Okay.
[13:08] All right.
[13:11] Perfect. Perfect. Thanks, M.
[13:14] Okay. Got a few of them. No sweat. All
[13:16] right. No particular order. Uh, all
[13:19] right. First one. Uh, is it Mark? Is it
[13:22] Blackham? Did I say that correct? Mark.
[13:24] See, sir, come on up. And then, uh, just
[13:26] do me a favor. You got five minutes and
[13:28] whatever's on your mind, just state your
[13:29] name and address for the record. But you
[13:31] are good to go, sir.
[13:32] My name is Mark Blackham. My address is
[13:35] 4257
[13:37] Court Ohio
[13:40] and
[13:42] trustees.
[13:42] >> Thank you.
[13:43] >> Uh come before you to uh just express my
[13:47] concern about the license plate readers
[13:51] that have been placed. Um I work in IT
[13:56] and uh concerned about information that
[14:00] is gathered. Um how it's used
[14:04] and the access to that information.
[14:10] I don't know if there are any um
[14:14] procedures
[14:15] and policies that are in place that
[14:18] would protect the citizens of their
[14:21] people.
[14:23] And the other point that I have is that
[14:27] one of the cameras was was placed in the
[14:30] property.
[14:31] >> Okay.
[14:32] >> And concerned about the privacy.
[14:35] >> Sure.
[14:35] >> So it's kind of pointing in towards my
[14:37] backyard. So
[14:40] >> Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. The uh
[14:42] Anything else, Mr. Black? What's that?
[14:45] >> Is there any
[14:48] policies or procedures that we have
[14:52] citizens?
[14:53] Now, the now there are other agencies
[14:56] that are allowed access to our cameras
[14:58] if we allow them. And the best way I can
[15:01] explain that to you is if another
[15:02] department in another state is looking
[15:03] for a stolen car that they believe might
[15:05] be in Ohio, specifically Union Township,
[15:07] they may ask for permission to access
[15:09] our camera system to see if that
[15:11] particular plates's been through Union
[15:13] Township. And we would typically grant
[15:15] that.
[15:15] >> And how often does that happen?
[15:17] Typically,
[15:17] >> quite quite quite quite frequently. that
[15:20] we have other departments around the
[15:21] country request access to our cameras,
[15:24] but that doesn't mean that they have
[15:26] access to every still shot of every car
[15:28] that's been through Union Township. That
[15:30] just means that they are allowed to see
[15:31] if the plate or the car they are looking
[15:33] for has been through Union Township.
[15:39] Sir.
[15:39] >> So in in short,
[15:41] the positive side of that is criminal
[15:45] activity
[15:47] that could be associated with a plate
[15:50] is what is looked for via like an
[15:53] algorithm,
[15:55] >> right? I mean, I don't know how much you
[15:56] know about the cameras, sir, but they're
[15:57] not they're not surveillance in in the
[16:00] respect of there's an officer sitting at
[16:02] the station watching the cameras and
[16:04] it's a live feed. They strictly take
[16:06] pictures of cars as they go by. So it's
[16:08] a imagine a still shot of a vehicle with
[16:10] a license plate on the back.
[16:12] >> Yeah.
[16:12] >> Does it even maintain visual images or
[16:17] does it essentially
[16:19] strip the license plate so that like
[16:22] >> strictly a picture of a car? If if your
[16:25] officers or another entity is looking to
[16:27] find a license plate number that that's
[16:31] the only license plate number that's
[16:32] going to hit if it hits because it came
[16:34] through that camera.
[16:35] >> If if they give us a license plate
[16:36] number. Yeah.
[16:38] >> So is this camera in a in a neighborhood
[16:40] or is it on a main drag?
[16:42] >> It's on um
[16:46] >> Okay. Because because there are HOA
[16:48] cameras that are not controlled by by
[16:50] the township.
[16:52] >> These are township cameras. Okay.
[16:58] » Yeah, I believe I know the camera you're
[17:00] talking about. Those cameras, they're
[17:01] not positioned. We don't have any in in
[17:03] neighborhoods. They're usually along
[17:05] Thorough affairs. However, I can't
[17:06] guarantee the the camera that's aimed at
[17:08] a thoroughare doesn't catch a house or
[17:10] two in your neighborhood. I think I know
[17:12] the camera you're talking about, though.
[17:14] >> Is that one of ours or is that an HOA?
[17:16] >> That's one of ours.
[17:17] >> Okay.
[17:17] >> Yeah.
[17:17] >> Okay.
[17:19] our our cameras are only that that the
[17:21] township leases are only on thorough
[17:23] affairs. Think old 74 125 uh Mount
[17:27] Carmel Tobasco Road. They're not back in
[17:29] neighborhoods on on on township streets.
[17:33] >> Okay.
[17:34] >> Yeah. Well, and so what is the retention
[17:36] period on that?
[17:37] >> 30 days.
[17:38] >> Yeah. Th So those those still shots that
[17:41] are taken are captured for 30 days. So
[17:44] if you drive by by one today, you're
[17:45] placed captured for 30 days. Then the
[17:47] camera overwrites it. So we have 30 days
[17:49] a 30-day look back period on those.
[17:54] » Correct. Correct.
[17:59] » So is there any reports on
[18:02] the destruction of that information?
[18:05] >> They're strictly wrote over. I I'm sure
[18:08] that if we did a breakdown, we could
[18:10] tell what plates for what period of time
[18:13] were captured in our system if we did an
[18:15] audit on it. But we trust that the
[18:17] system overwrites it every 30 days. And
[18:20] it's a pretty easy check. I mean, we can
[18:22] check if we if we've looked for a
[18:24] certain license plate on a certain date.
[18:27] If it's still in there 30 days after 30
[18:29] days from then, then we'll know the
[18:30] system's not working correct.
[18:35] » I just have concern in general about it.
[18:38] >> Sure. gathering information about our
[18:40] citizens. You know, I I would expect
[18:43] that, you know, if I was in a prison or
[18:46] incarcerated, but in our environment, I
[18:49] don't expect that, you know, to be
[18:51] something that our government would be
[18:54] gathering information about the citizens
[18:56] and those types of things. I
[18:59] frankly,
[19:01] you know, probably looking at this
[19:06] you know investigations and stuff
[19:08] criminal activity uh our area is very
[19:12] low you know crime area that's one of
[19:15] the reasons why I live here and you know
[19:17] having that extra surveillance as a
[19:22] citizen something I don't really expect
[19:26] to have here
[19:30] » I completely understand hear your
[19:32] perspective on it and I'm definitely
[19:35] open continuing to hear, you know, your
[19:37] type of concern, uh, community's
[19:39] perspectives as well. Um, I I agree with
[19:43] you too from your own individual
[19:45] perspective as we live in a safe
[19:48] community. Um, I guess I have somewhat
[19:50] firsthand experience where uh, my wife's
[19:54] car was stolen out of our driveway,
[19:56] middle of the night, and the license
[19:58] plate hit on flock cameras that were
[20:00] along Beachmont Avenue somewhere. I
[20:02] think it's Beachmont Avenue. Don't cite
[20:04] me to that specific fact. It was
[20:06] somewhere east of here through Anderson
[20:08] Township. Um, and between that and
[20:11] having a locator on the car that I
[20:14] thankfully had uh with some other
[20:17] possessions in the car, um, it it made
[20:20] it so that the team was able to recover
[20:22] that car within five hours since it was
[20:25] stolen. Um, which was miraculous. But
[20:29] that do recognize when you're in that
[20:33] you know,
[20:35] criminal activity comes to your
[20:36] doorstep.
[20:41] » Yeah.
[20:50] » Me either. And I'd chat with you as long
[20:52] as I could too on I carry this in my
[20:55] pocket, right?
[20:59] I carry this in my pocket like pretty
[21:01] much everybody else here. And
[21:04] this has a camera, microphone,
[21:07] everything
[21:08] >> you choose to take with you.
[21:09] >> Yeah. With you. It's not
[21:11] >> right.
[21:16] >> I'm just telling you I I I hear you and
[21:17] completely understand. And that that's
[21:19] type of technology that has been
[21:21] [clears throat] accessible to be able to
[21:24] um
[21:26] outside of our jurisdiction. That's all
[21:27] I can say. Yeah.
[21:28] >> Mr. Black, I'll just say this and then
[21:30] uh and then I I I'll be good. But um it
[21:33] solved a lot of crime very fast, very
[21:35] quickly. If we if we do the old school
[21:38] way, that's fine, too. We can absolutely
[21:39] do that and pull them down. I don't have
[21:40] a problem with that at all.
[21:42] >> [snorts]
[21:42] >> Um, if if someone was to break into your
[21:44] car, uh, and you capture a a black
[21:48] Toyota Camry, but that's all the
[21:49] information you have at 11 o'clock at
[21:51] night, we can run that data, type in
[21:55] black Toyota Camry, and from 11:00 to
[21:57] 11:15 or 11:30, if it pass any of those
[21:59] cameras, we can narrow it down and just
[22:00] help the detectives. Oh, there's the
[22:02] license plate. Let's track the address.
[22:04] Let's go knock on a door. Um, it would
[22:06] help solve crime, it does help solve
[22:08] crimes a lot faster. However, uh if if
[22:10] the community of Union Township feels
[22:12] like it's it's they don't like them,
[22:14] they don't want them, um that's that's
[22:16] fine. We can we can take them down. Um I
[22:18] don't think that's a sort of any one of
[22:19] us is going to die or who any of us is
[22:21] going to die on. I'll tell you, um
[22:23] >> I just don't want to make a knee-jerk
[22:24] reaction because I'll tell you, all the
[22:26] surrounding police forces have them for
[22:28] the most part. For the most part. And we would be the only ones that
[22:32] didn't. Then then the question goes,
[22:33] well then do you want us to access if
[22:35] your house or car got broke into or
[22:37] someone hit skip and they left, do you
[22:39] want us to access flocks and Anderson,
[22:41] Miami, Hamilton Township to try to track
[22:43] down the criminal or is that unfair?
[22:45] Should we not do that because we took
[22:46] ours down? So those are questions that
[22:48] we need to ask. So I don't want to make
[22:49] an reaction, but I will say if the
[22:50] community of Union Township solely feels
[22:52] that this is a violation and it
[22:54] violates, you know, our Fourth Amendment
[22:56] rights, then um roger that. We'll pull
[22:58] them down. Um, however, however,
[23:02] um, we cannot complain when it takes
[23:04] three, four, five weeks to solve a
[23:06] simple break into a car when it could
[23:08] have taken two hours. You know, and the
[23:10] biggest example I can give is the Mason
[23:13] shooting that happened. Guy got 22
[23:15] bullets put in him and it was because of
[23:17] a flock camera and tracked down the guy
[23:19] on 275 and he got him real quick. Um,
[23:22] would have happened that fast if they
[23:24] didn't have flock cameras to to when that car passed that plate. Uh, so
[23:28] questions we all have to just think and
[23:30] ask ourselves, but uh, but I I for me,
[23:32] I'll speak for me, it's not a hill I'm
[23:34] willing to die on. If the community
[23:35] doesn't want them, we'll pull them down.
[23:36] However, I will say it does help solve
[23:39] crime pretty quickly. Um, so but but but
[23:42] all good, you know, I hear you loud and
[23:44] clear though. Yeah.
[23:45] >> Yeah. No problem. Thank you, sir.
[23:46] Appreciate you.
[23:47] >> Yeah, good question.
[23:50] >> Okay, now Mr. Chair, looking at this
[23:52] one, this one might be for you, just so
[23:53] you know. So, you might want to take
[23:54] down this name and address. Uh, I got a
[23:55] Scott Shielman and hopefully I'm
[23:57] pronouncing your name right. Shean
[23:58] Shielman.
[24:02] » 2016.
[24:05] » Oh, I see your case number. Yeah. Yeah,
[24:07] you're good. I I don't need this thing.
[24:08] You're fine. Yep. Never mind. You're
[24:09] good. [snorts] Okay, perfect. Sorry. The
[24:11] uh Okay. Uh, let's see here. Uh, John
[24:14] Hunt.
[24:16] >> Mr. Hunt.
[24:18] >> Oh gosh. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[24:20] So, yeah.
[24:22] >> Yeah. You're good. You're good. No
[24:23] sweat. Oh, our good friend, Mr. Dit.
[24:25] Jude, come on up.
[24:37] » Mr. Dit, you you know protocol. You go
[24:40] on ahead. The floor is yours.
[24:44] » Good evening, gentlemen. My name is
[24:46] Jude, 392 Banks Road.
[24:53] Um, I just wanted to congratulate all of
[24:57] you, including the police chief, for a
[25:01] wonderful police night out. It was
[25:04] great.
[25:04] >> It was
[25:06] >> um I was helping with the food and
[25:10] around the back of the concession stand
[25:13] down at the bottom of the hill.
[25:16] It was Now, I know that that was all
[25:19] reworked this year. That land was re
[25:25] It needs some smoothing. It needs some
[25:28] It still needs a little bit of work. We
[25:31] had trouble walking down the hill. Um
[25:35] people with small children were the kids
[25:39] were tripping. Um
[25:42] it it just needs some some rework. So I
[25:46] just wanted to let you know about that
[25:48] and I will be back in the spring to
[25:50] remind you to have done.
[25:53] >> Which part of the park specifically?
[25:55] >> Behind the concession stand.
[25:59] >> No, gotcha. Gotcha. Michelle, are you
[26:00] good on that?
[26:01] >> We got you, Mr. Good call. Yeah. Yeah.
[26:04] [clears throat]
[26:05] >> But that was really the only problem I
[26:09] saw.
[26:13] » But I just let you know. I'll be back in
[26:16] the spring.
[26:17] >> Yes, ma'am.
[26:20] >> [clears throat]
[26:22] >> But we had fun and it was all really
[26:25] well done.
[26:26] >> No,
[26:27] >> thank you so much.
[26:28] >> I appreciate the kind words and
[26:29] encouragement. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
[26:30] >> Thank you for volunteering.
[26:31] >> Thank you.
[26:33] >> The uh
[26:35] >> Okay, last call. Is there any other
[26:37] public comments at all? Anything on your
[26:39] mind?
[26:40] >> All right, seeing none, we'll close
[26:42] public comments
[26:44] and all right, department reports. Uh
[26:46] let's start with our fire chief. Uh,
[26:48] Chief Clemens, sir, floor is yours.
[26:50] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. Uh, real quick,
[26:52] just an update on today's storm that
[26:54] came through. Uh, I know a lot of a lot
[26:56] of residents are currently without
[26:57] power. Uh, notification from Duke is
[26:59] that 40,000 residents within Claremont
[27:01] County are currently out. Uh, could take
[27:04] up to 24 hours to get everybody back up
[27:06] and running. So, just an update on that.
[27:08] We handled about 25 to 30 emergency
[27:11] calls with trees and wires down within
[27:13] that hour of the storm. So, it was a
[27:15] pretty busy day for the fire department.
[27:17] Um, so in the month of July, the fire
[27:19] department responded to 231 fire and
[27:21] service calls, 667
[27:24] EMS calls, which totals 8uh 98 total
[27:28] calls, which was average of 29 calls per
[27:31] day. Made patient contact with 604
[27:34] patients and transported 489 of those.
[27:39] uh completed 808 hours of training, took
[27:42] part in 13 public education details,
[27:45] hosted ride time for EMT paramedic
[27:47] students in a total of 78 hours, uh
[27:50] completed 48 life safety inspections and
[27:54] 16 inspections in conjunction with
[27:56] Claremont County Building Department.
[27:58] And that concludes my report.
[28:00] >> Thanks, Chief. Mr. Becker.
[28:03] >> Um I'm good. Okay,
[28:05] >> Mr. Luke, sir.
[28:10] Chief, if anyone's having uh uh
[28:15] pain in their jaw, pain in their left
[28:17] arm, um chest tightness, sweating, uh
[28:22] what should they do and how fast should
[28:24] they do it? Yeah, all of those are some
[28:26] serious uh symptoms uh which our
[28:29] recommendation is to to call 911 as fast
[28:31] as possible and get somebody get a
[28:33] professional on scene to mitigate the
[28:35] situation of transport.
[28:37] >> Well, nobody told me that.
[28:38] >> Okay.
[28:39] >> Um [laughter]
[28:40] should should should uh someone in that
[28:42] condition uh then also drive themsel to
[28:45] the hospital?
[28:47] >> I'll leave that. You don't have to
[28:48] answer that. You don't have to answer
[28:50] that. I'll leave it at that. I'm good.
[28:51] Thanks, Chief. [laughter]
[28:54] I didn't expect. That was pretty funny.
[28:55] >> That was funny.
[28:56] >> Yeah.
[28:58] >> Good opportunity to ask this fire chief
[29:00] some questions.
[29:03] >> You're good. You're good. Thank you,
[29:04] chief. And then, uh, our police
[29:06] department, uh, Chief Reese, sir.
[29:09] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. In the month of
[29:10] July, the, uh, communications section
[29:13] handled 5,332 calls for service. Our
[29:17] record section processed uh 572
[29:20] court related documents for juvenile and
[29:22] adult court. We processed 148 uh court
[29:26] notices requiring an officer's
[29:27] appearance in court, handled 173 records
[29:31] requests, and redacted 36 body camera
[29:33] videos. In the area public relations,
[29:35] officers conducted uh or took part
[29:38] participated in six events, including
[29:40] two active shooter response trainings
[29:43] for area businesses. We participated in
[29:45] the Fourth of July parade parade in
[29:47] Shaylor Crossing, hosted a bike bicycle
[29:49] safety event in the polar fields, and
[29:52] participated in a quarterly outreach
[29:53] program with Eastgate Walmart, and we
[29:56] conducted one safety talk at a senior
[29:58] living facility. In the area of
[29:59] operations, our officers took 367
[30:02] incident reports, 100 crash reports,
[30:04] made 554 traffic stops, issued 176
[30:08] citations, 354 warnings, made 98
[30:11] criminal arrests, 91 traffic arrests,
[30:14] and served 83 criminal warrants. In the
[30:18] area of training, our officers attended
[30:19] 80 hours of training uh in the month of
[30:22] July. Currently within the police police
[30:25] department, we have three open police
[30:26] officer positions and a open dispatch
[30:30] position. Um, I just want to close by
[30:33] thanking our residents. Uh, as Miss Dit
[30:35] had noted, was another great police
[30:38] night out. Uh, probably the highest
[30:40] attendance we've had. And I also want to
[30:42] thank, uh, my fellow department heads,
[30:45] uh, Mr. Taylor and Chief Clemens. Um
[30:48] just the touch of the the uh tower truck
[30:50] and the flag uh helping with air care
[30:52] landing. It it really it's the police
[30:54] night out but it's really a township
[30:55] event and I just appreciate the help of
[30:57] all the other uh departments and making
[30:59] it a success. And lastly um to echo
[31:03] Chief Clemens comments today was an
[31:05] absolute mess. Um I stopped in our our
[31:07] dispatch center and I'm really proud of
[31:10] our dispatchers. They handled a really
[31:12] tough time incredibly, including one
[31:14] dispatcher who literally got a phone
[31:16] call while I was in there that a tree
[31:18] came down and totaled her garage. Uh we
[31:20] had extra help on today. She didn't
[31:22] leave. Uh she stayed there. Uh and I
[31:24] heard her tell her fellow dispatchers
[31:26] she wasn't going to leave them in that
[31:28] mess. So just so proud of of all our
[31:30] people. They they work really hard for our township residents. That
[31:34] concludes my report. Thank you.
[31:36] >> Thanks, Chief Reese. Uh vice chair.
[31:39] >> Uh yeah, a couple things. So, first off,
[31:40] um, kudos on on police night out. It was
[31:43] a once again a great event. Uh, on the
[31:47] callout reports there, there was one
[31:49] particular case I want to ask you about.
[31:51] It was a child in dangering would occur
[31:53] on July 14th. A little girl,
[31:57] two-year-old, severe burns. So, two
[32:00] questions.
[32:02] How is she? What's her condition? Is she recovered and or or not? And and
[32:08] what happened? Yeah. So, this was a
[32:10] young girl in this this case you're mentioning. Uh she had
[32:14] seconddegree burns. Long story short, no
[32:17] criminal, no neglect involved here. This
[32:19] was an apartment complex. The family
[32:21] just moved in. Um this is a younger
[32:23] child that got into the bathtub, turned
[32:25] the water on, and the maintenance
[32:28] unfortunately had the the water heater
[32:30] settings very high. Um she the the
[32:33] girl's doing fine. We we got her to the
[32:35] hospital, treated her for the burns, and
[32:37] she's okay.
[32:38] >> All right. Good. Yeah.
[32:38] >> Yeah. That that's that's easy to happen.
[32:41] Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That's all I
[32:42] have. Chairman,
[32:45] >> Mr. L.
[32:45] >> Hey, quick question, Chief, with um
[32:48] again an interest to hear from the
[32:50] community and and and and just really
[32:53] keep the pulse with that. Uh like like
[32:55] Trusty Dills said, um
[32:58] cameras, um if the community wants them
[33:02] or if the community doesn't want them,
[33:04] um fine either way. uh would it be
[33:08] impactful or difficult in the reporting
[33:11] if if you know I'm not sure if there is
[33:14] a count of when a flock camera's use in
[33:17] the preceding 30 days like benefited
[33:20] solving
[33:22] a crime or apprehending someone or like
[33:27] >> there's probably nothing ever positive.
[33:28] I know maybe historically too now
[33:31] there's a lot of discussion about flock
[33:32] cameras and people are looking where
[33:35] things are at and I understand there's a
[33:39] police perspective of criminals
[33:43] avoid
[33:45] those cameras as they can. Um, so I I
[33:48] don't know how much of that
[33:51] help is is is positive for the
[33:53] discussion to hear from the community,
[33:54] but yeah, as far as just a count of
[33:57] utilization, is that something that
[34:00] >> Yeah, good question. And we're trying,
[34:02] we're doing a much better job now
[34:04] because this is such a polarizing topic
[34:06] of tracking our success stories. I can
[34:09] tell you these cameras are used every
[34:11] day from minor misdemeanor shopliftings
[34:13] where they get take off in a car to
[34:15] major felonies. You know, we are solving
[34:17] real crime every day with these cameras
[34:19] and I wholeheartedly believe that the
[34:21] township is much safer because we have
[34:22] these cameras, but I do understand uh
[34:25] the the effect and and the impression
[34:28] that they leave on the community. Um
[34:30] we're solving crimes every day with
[34:31] them.
[34:33] >> Is is there is there ability to to Yeah.
[34:36] to have uh utilization.
[34:40] >> Uh you do
[34:41] >> you want like a hard number of how many
[34:42] crimes we're solving monthly with them
[34:44] >> to just just consider if that's if
[34:47] that's a value ad to the discussion or
[34:49] if the residents would want to would
[34:51] want to know it um or or see it at a
[34:54] trustees report. I don't know if Becker
[34:56] or Dells would have something to add to
[34:59] that concept, but it's just a question.
[35:01] So, um I don't have a metric to say go find now, but if you're open to
[35:08] seeing if he comes up with something or
[35:10] hey, here's how it's a pro or a con and
[35:13] or this utilization rate of the flock
[35:15] cameras.
[35:16] >> It's used every It's used Yeah, it's
[35:18] been used 30 times in the last 30 days
[35:20] and solved 30 crimes.
[35:21] >> It would be interesting to see the the
[35:23] crimes that have been solved. Um
[35:25] especially I mean I think of the what
[35:27] with the Venezuelan nationals that were
[35:29] knocking off a sheriffax I think three
[35:30] different times they got busted all
[35:32] three times
[35:32] >> with flockers
[35:33] >> with flocks. I mean that's great stuff
[35:35] and there's more and more stories like
[35:36] that and I think a compilation of those
[35:38] kind of stories is is great for the
[35:40] community that want to hear that.
[35:41] >> Yeah.
[35:42] We can certainly do that.
[35:44] >> Imagine the data pool's got to be be by
[35:46] that auditor that investigative
[35:48] sergeant. Yeah.
[35:51] uh if it does not put too much of a
[35:53] stress or bandwidth on the police
[35:55] because you are three officers short
[35:57] right now. Uh I say absolutely I'd like
[35:59] to have those stats but if you can't you
[36:00] can't I understand as well. So
[36:02] >> that's we can do that for sure.
[36:04] >> Thank you.
[36:05] >> Thanks.
[36:05] >> Great question for you. Uh Chief I'll
[36:08] say uh I'm looking here total calls
[36:11] 5,484
[36:13] total calls to your dispatch center. Uh
[36:15] that is a record for the year. It's the
[36:17] most we've had uh was in July. Um, and the the the the stat I always like
[36:22] to look at is how many traffic stops we
[36:26] had. We had 554 traffic stops.
[36:28] Obviously, those are variable for
[36:30] running a stop sign to to, you know,
[36:32] getting pulled over doing, you know, 85,
[36:34] right? Um, but citations was 176, but
[36:37] warnings was 354, you know. So, that's I
[36:40] just I love that fact that we try to uh
[36:43] not be hardline police officers and
[36:45] understand, you know, things happen and
[36:47] we let people off with a warning. I I
[36:48] like that. So, But I but I will say I
[36:50] agree with uh you and uh both you and
[36:54] Chief Clemens and um Mr. Taylor, which
[36:56] you're coming up next, but uh all three
[36:58] of you, your team did a great job uh
[37:00] preparing the lands, the landscape, and
[37:01] the parks to get ready for police night
[37:03] out. That's our biggest night of the
[37:04] year. Great job to your team. And then
[37:06] both of you both, I mean, I think you
[37:08] all had just about equal amount of staff
[37:10] there. So, uh, um, your firefighters and
[37:13] police officers were greeting everybody
[37:15] nicely and smiling and out and just, uh,
[37:17] giving them tours of their trucks and
[37:18] equipment and everything and, um, yeah,
[37:21] just really awesome night. Great job.
[37:22] You handled yourselves, uh, top-notch.
[37:24] So, good job both of you. Appreciate it.
[37:26] >> Thank you, sir.
[37:26] >> Yeah. Well done.
[37:27] >> The, uh, M. Taylor, your service
[37:29] department, sir, you were up. Floor is
[37:31] yours.
[37:32] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. In the cemetery
[37:34] division from July 1st through the 31st,
[37:37] 16 burials were performed generating
[37:40] $29,552.
[37:43] 18 resident crays were purchased for
[37:46] $36,000.
[37:48] Two column barium niches were purchased
[37:50] for $6,000.
[37:52] Uh nine foundation orders uh were
[37:54] purchased for $2,934.
[37:57] The total amount generated for the
[37:58] period was 75,986.
[38:02] In the parks division, uh weekly mowing
[38:05] and trimming and landscape continues on
[38:08] uh all township buildings and within our
[38:10] parks. And in the roads division, the
[38:13] road department patched a total of 96
[38:16] potholes over 13 township streets and a
[38:19] total of 23 work orders were completed
[38:22] on multiple township roads. And that
[38:25] concludes my report.
[38:27] >> Great. Good job. Mr. Becker, sir.
[38:29] >> Yeah. How
[38:30] >> Mr. Lo? I'm good. Thank you. Uh Mr.
[38:33] Taylor, your team's doing a good job.
[38:35] And then uh um I think Mr. Cascaden, 20
[38:39] years is well overdue for promotion. So
[38:41] good night for him. I'm glad to hear
[38:42] that.
[38:43] >> The uh Okay, Mr. Flouty. Planning and
[38:46] zoning director, sir. The floor is
[38:48] yours.
[38:49] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. the inspection and
[38:52] violations. This month, there were a
[38:54] total of 38 inspections, 18 complaints
[38:57] received, three of those complaints
[38:59] being unfounded, eight [clears throat]
[39:01] warning citations issued in the month of
[39:04] July, three 15-day non-compliance
[39:06] letters with one 30-day violation
[39:09] letter. There were a total of 10
[39:12] resolved with and without action
[39:14] complaints, 496 illegal signs removed,
[39:18] 12 miscellaneous issues resolved for a
[39:23] monthly total violation of 19 and one
[39:27] nuisance filed within the month of July.
[39:31] The activity we had one change of use,
[39:34] seven signs issued, one temporary sale.
[39:37] We had seven single family homes issued,
[39:41] five additions, four decks,
[39:44] eight accessories, and 11 pools and
[39:47] fences for a monthly total of 44 permits
[39:50] and a total revenue of $8,225.
[39:55] And that concludes my report.
[39:58] Mr. Vice Chair, I'm good. Mr. Lo,
[40:01] >> good. Thank you, Mr. Flood.
[40:03] >> Mr. FY, great job. You're busy. Nice
[40:05] job. Uh, all right. Lastly is our
[40:07] township administrator, Mr. Wright. Go
[40:10] ahead, sir.
[40:10] >> Thank you, sir. I'll be brief with the
[40:12] zoning hearings. We have uh not much to
[40:14] provide on the old 74
[40:16] >> [clears throat]
[40:17] >> uh schoolhouse to block box and sidewalk
[40:19] systemic safety grant. Stage one plans
[40:22] have been submitted to ODOT and that's
[40:24] in process. Uh we have applied as I
[40:26] mentioned previously for transportation
[40:28] alternative funding for the Icult
[40:31] expansion. is basically from Walmart
[40:33] kind of getting us down to Ivy Point in
[40:36] that I expect we will do well on the
[40:38] scoring but OKI canled their August
[40:41] meeting so we'll have to wait for good
[40:43] news until September hopefully
[40:46] uh when they score those projects. Uh
[40:48] unfortunately, ODOT did not approve our
[40:50] systemic safety grant application for
[40:52] some road, but again we uh I am
[40:56] relatively stubborn. So we are going to
[40:58] reapply as they like the project, but
[41:00] there was a lot of need. Um we did
[41:03] however receive about $150,000 in CDBG
[41:06] funding to advance a portion of
[41:08] sidewalks on uh Somerside Road. So uh
[41:11] we'll be working with the county through
[41:13] that process. 2026 road rate road
[41:16] resurfacing projects are underway. Uh
[41:19] roads you'll start to see milling and
[41:20] filling activities. Uh the bulk of the
[41:23] activities to date have been curb
[41:24] replacements throughout the county. And
[41:26] again we we save a lot of money through
[41:28] this program. Uh so a little bit of
[41:31] delay is worth it because we are able to
[41:33] stretch our paving dollars further every
[41:35] year. Um work continues on the safe
[41:39] routes plan. Uh Mr. Woodruff and Mr.
[41:41] Flouty are all over that. I do have news
[41:43] on the OPWC project on Elmont. All of
[41:46] the easements have been secured. We're
[41:47] waiting on utility relocations and the
[41:50] county will be bidding that out. There
[41:52] will be a separate sidewalk addition
[41:53] that's not included in the OPWC grant
[41:56] because of the way that they score those
[41:58] projects. If you put a sidewalk in, they
[42:00] penalize you. I don't understand why,
[42:02] but anyway, we'll be bringing that to
[42:05] the board for that when uh we get closer
[42:08] to a bid award or a bid a bid award uh
[42:11] number there. Um just a couple other
[42:14] items. Uh we we are um we will be
[42:18] bringing a Jed 9 expansion to you to add
[42:21] an additional uh facility to that. Um
[42:24] and we have a couple of nuisance
[42:25] resolutions for the board and uh the
[42:29] hazard mitigation plan. Just a couple of
[42:31] late ads. We did have a uh then a
[42:33] certificate for uh park uh water usage
[42:37] and uh we also added uh uh we have an
[42:40] OPWC joint application authorization
[42:43] with u Miami Township for slide repairs.
[42:45] The countyy's not doing slide repairs
[42:47] unfortunately this year. So if we ban
[42:49] together with another organization, we
[42:51] tend to score better. Um
[42:54] uh we're looking specifically at
[42:55] Baldwin. Um,
[42:59] last item, there's an item on on the
[43:01] agenda to transfer a fire truck uh
[43:03] disposed property to the CIC for
[43:05] economic development purposes. And, uh,
[43:08] that is something if you recall, we use
[43:11] the CIC to acquire equipment, but we
[43:13] also use it to dispose of equipment. So,
[43:17] uh, that really concludes my report.
[43:19] >> Thank you, sir. Uh, vice chairman.
[43:21] >> No, I'm good. Mr. Loen,
[43:24] >> I have nothing.
[43:25] >> You're good.
[43:25] >> Okay. That's right. Good. Good job.
[43:26] Thank you for the report. Uh, okay.
[43:28] Public hearings.
[43:30] Now, there's four of them. I'm betting
[43:32] you are most here for two of them out of
[43:34] the four. Uh, so we put the two easiest
[43:36] ones first so we can knock them out and
[43:38] those folks can go home and then
[43:39] obviously the latter two uh the end. So,
[43:42] all right. Public hearings. Okay. And uh
[43:46] public hearing case, Union Township
[43:48] overlay case 3-26-
[43:51] Oscar. Uh, Mr. Flouty, would you like to
[43:54] go and explain that one, sir?
[43:55] >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Dills. This
[43:57] application is located at 1118 Ferris
[44:00] Road. The applicant is Mike Shabbesta,
[44:04] and he is requesting approval from the
[44:07] Union Township Board of Trustees for an
[44:09] overlay district plan consisting of five
[44:11] new structures. One of them being a 2500
[44:14] twostory structure for a shop and office
[44:17] use, while there'll be four additional
[44:20] lean to/additions to the existing
[44:23] structure. The applicant is additionally
[44:26] seeking relief from the 10-ft and 20
[44:28] foot M1 zoning district minimum setbacks
[44:32] per article 6 to have the minimum rear
[44:35] and sideyard setbacks be at 3'6 in and
[44:39] this project is located in the Bach
[44:42] Buckton Road commercial corridor. Some
[44:45] background information, the primary
[44:47] principal structure site was constructed
[44:50] around 1988. Since that time, the main
[44:52] building has primarily housed DFS
[44:55] business entities and a variety of other
[44:57] light industrial uses. They were
[45:00] recently here in 2025 with another
[45:03] accessory structure that was approved.
[45:06] Some staff review and analysis. This
[45:09] proposal meets the proposed intent of
[45:11] both the adopted comprehensive land use
[45:14] plan and the overall overlay district
[45:17] regulations. The plan proposes the
[45:20] expansion and/or addition of
[45:22] pre-existing structures or uses such as
[45:25] warehouses, stoages, and office [snorts]
[45:28] spaces. No new lighting is proposed at
[45:30] this time. When the time of permitting
[45:33] comes, we'll need it subject to article
[45:35] 14 of the zoning resolution. And any non
[45:39] enclosed structure generally used for
[45:41] storage should be efficiently screened
[45:43] from the main road via landscaping or
[45:46] fencing to maintain maintain a cohesive
[45:49] level of visual cleanliness.
[45:52] The action required tonight is in
[45:54] accordance with section 1310 of the
[45:56] zoning resolution that the board of
[45:58] trustees is to enter a motion to approve
[46:01] as submitted, approve with modifications
[46:03] or deny this focus area overlay district
[46:06] application as pres presented in Union
[46:09] Township zoning case 3-26-.
[46:13] There are five recommended modifications
[46:15] should the board choose to grant
[46:17] favorably upon this application. The
[46:20] first one being that the applicant shall
[46:22] comply with the requirements of all
[46:24] federal, state, and local agencies. All
[46:27] future lighting shall meet the adopted
[46:31] article 14
[46:33] regulations of the zoning resolution.
[46:36] Any monument signage shall be compliant
[46:40] with the 2030 land use plan. The
[46:42] applicant shall provide additional
[46:44] privacy fencing and screening for
[46:46] materials should any fall within out of
[46:50] the completely enclosed building. And
[46:52] lastly, the applicant shall review shall
[46:55] be subject to review of the buildings
[46:57] containing the number of structures,
[46:59] square footage, location, and materials
[47:01] subject to administrative review and
[47:03] approval. And that concludes the report
[47:05] for the overlay case 3-26-
[47:12] » Mr. F. Do do we have any pictures of
[47:14] what these future buildings are going to
[47:15] look like?
[47:16] >> Uh, we do not have any pictures of what
[47:20] the actual architectural renderings, but
[47:24] >> the applicant can speak better on this,
[47:26] but it would match the existing
[47:28] buildings. It would be a metal metal
[47:30] construction. Uh, since this is in the
[47:33] M1 district and the surrounding
[47:35] buildings are in
[47:36] >> Hold on one second, sir. Hold on. I'll
[47:38] sir, I'll call you up in just one
[47:40] second. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Um,
[47:42] >> okay. Fair enough. Um, Mr. Becker, any
[47:45] questions?
[47:45] >> No.
[47:46] >> Mr. Logan, any questions?
[47:47] >> Not currently.
[47:48] >> Okay. Um, [snorts]
[47:50] Mr. Poly for future.
[47:52] >> Um,
[47:54] I get it. I I want pictures of what the
[47:56] future buildings are going to look like
[47:57] from now on. So, tell the applicants
[47:59] from now. I'd like to see those. Okay.
[48:00] just some kind of what they're going to
[48:02] look like, not just, you know, not this.
[48:04] >> Okay.
[48:05] >> For for any new building. I would like
[48:08] to see an actual,
[48:09] >> you know, picture what it's going to
[48:10] look like. So, okay, fair enough. No
[48:11] worries. Uh, okay. Uh, gentlemen, uh,
[48:14] I'll entertain a motion to open this
[48:17] public hearing case, Union Township, uh,
[48:19] overlay case 3-26-
[48:22] Oscar.
[48:23] >> So, move. Second.
[48:24] >> Any discussion? Mr. Kimber, roll call.
[48:27] >> Mr. Becker?
[48:27] >> Yes.
[48:28] >> Mr. Lo,
[48:29] >> yes.
[48:29] >> Mr. Mr. Dills.
[48:30] >> Yes.
[48:31] >> Public hearing is opened at 6:48.
[48:33] >> All right.
[48:34] >> Public hearing is open. All right. So
[48:36] now, sorry, forgot to follow protocol.
[48:38] So, sorry. The I'll go and call you up.
[48:40] So, first thing, well, first thing, just
[48:41] so I'm going to I'll call anyone up that
[48:43] is a proponent of this case, and then
[48:44] I'll uh here's how I'm going to do this
[48:46] with all zoning cases tonight. Just so
[48:48] you know, there's four of them. I'm
[48:49] going to call up usually the the person
[48:51] that would like to have this passed. Uh
[48:53] and then I'll call up anyone that's
[48:55] against it. And then I'll then I'll call
[48:57] up again. So, the developer, whoever's
[48:59] purchasing the property, wants to do the
[49:01] project to basically kind of counter any
[49:03] answer any questions for those that are
[49:05] against uh the case. Just, you know,
[49:06] that's how I'm going to do it for the
[49:07] every single case tonight. So, uh but
[49:09] just do me a favor. I got to swear you
[49:10] in and uh go ahead and raise your right
[49:12] hand if you could.
[49:13] >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the
[49:14] whole truth, nothing but the truth. So,
[49:15] hope you be God.
[49:16] >> I do.
[49:17] >> Okay, great. And then just state your
[49:18] name and address for the right.
[49:19] [clears throat]
[49:19] >> Mike Shabbusta. Our business is located
[49:22] at 1118 Ferris Road, Amelia, Ohio 45102,
[49:27] I1 Anderson Township,
[49:30] [clears throat] Fireside Drive.
[49:31] >> Perfect. Yeah.
[49:34] >> Uh the floor is yours. Whatever you like
[49:36] to say. Yeah.
[49:37] >> So, it turns out it's a very expensive
[49:40] process to even start to think about
[49:42] building a building. So, in this case, I
[49:44] failed to put the two side pieces on
[49:46] last year when I put the first building
[49:48] in.
[49:48] >> Yeah. So on this particular drawing, all
[49:53] the way to the corner there next to
[49:54] Dave's driveway, the white strip,
[49:57] without
[49:59] [clears throat] your approval, nothing
[50:01] can happen. After that, you're looking
[50:04] at $6 to $8,000 for a water management
[50:07] study.
[50:08] >> Uh it's, you know, you could spend 10
[50:10] $15,000 before you could even ask the
[50:13] architect to draw something.
[50:15] So uh you're the first step. In this
[50:19] particular case, I had an agreement with
[50:22] Mr. Food's pro uh predecessor that I
[50:26] would show all my future plans. So the
[50:30] yellow things are things that we may do
[50:31] down in the future. Each one of those
[50:34] would require the initial zoning
[50:38] application for that particular
[50:39] structure.
[50:40] >> Sure. So this is strictly to get the
[50:43] dimension on that proposed structure now
[50:46] and with the water management issues. Uh
[50:49] the chances get slimmer every day
[50:51] there'll ever be built.
[50:52] >> Okay.
[50:54] >> Uh the building has to come out far way
[50:56] into the detention pond. And even though
[50:59] there's never I won't say never this
[51:02] week proved it. Uh I've never seen water
[51:06] above the grass in the detention bond. M
[51:09] >> there was two feet in there because
[51:10] Ferris Road backed up and filled the
[51:13] depend our detention pond on that end of
[51:16] the building.
[51:17] [clears throat]
[51:17] >> A little further complication, the dock
[51:22] at the corner of the yellow was the
[51:25] original detention pond, but the
[51:27] contractor builder didn't tell us that.
[51:29] >> So it more complicated. So, I'm simply
[51:33] trying to get this side
[51:37] uh corrected on the east side. I'm doing
[51:40] the west side so I don't have to come
[51:42] back next year and waste your old time.
[51:44] >> Sure. Got it.
[51:46] >> Any questions about the process of the
[51:48] approach or anything?
[51:50] >> Vice Chairman?
[51:51] >> No. Okay,
[51:52] >> Mr. Luke.
[51:53] >> No, this time. Thank you.
[51:54] >> Uh, and you might not know this, Mr.
[51:56] Flouty. um currently cuz I heard you say
[51:58] what was what's the current setback and
[52:00] then what's the setback that they're
[52:02] asking for?
[52:03] >> So there is the side setbacks of 10 ft
[52:06] and then the rear set back of 20 and
[52:09] overall they're asking for three 3T six
[52:13] inches. So it's a reduction of it's like
[52:16] 16. Yeah.
[52:17] >> Okay. Okay.
[52:18] >> The back is already done last year. So
[52:20] we're really talking the two sides
[52:22] >> three not worried about it. Okay.
[52:23] Perfect. And then total of five
[52:25] buildings. Five buildings total.
[52:27] >> Okay. Can you describe uh first what kind of business are you at?
[52:31] >> Uh and then what
[52:32] >> I do commercial real estate and I'm a
[52:35] systems engineer so I do uh IT stuff.
[52:38] >> Do well I guess are do you plan what do
[52:40] you plan on doing with the buildings?
[52:43] >> I rent out the 95% of the building to
[52:47] Keep Electric.
[52:48] >> Okay.
[52:48] >> They're the neighbor to this side.
[52:51] >> Sure.
[52:51] >> They've expanded that. We've kind of
[52:53] joined the two properties. So, we've
[52:55] probably created
[52:57] I don't know 75 jobs there.
[52:59] >> Fair enough.
[53:01] >> Yeah.
[53:01] >> You know, parking is an issue. I I have
[53:05] 60 spaces and it's still not enough. So,
[53:08] >> that's a good bad problem. The uh Well,
[53:09] Mr. Shvevesa, appreciate you investing
[53:11] in Union Township. Uh you're growing. I
[53:13] appreciate that. Thank Thank you for
[53:15] that. And uh um yeah, all good. That's
[53:18] all the questions I have for you. So,
[53:19] appreciate you very much. Thank you,
[53:20] sir.
[53:21] >> Thank you. Uh, is there any other
[53:23] proponents to this case? Anyone that is
[53:25] for this case?
[53:27] Oh, please come on up. Yeah, the floor
[53:29] is yours, please. And by the way, just
[53:31] so everyone knows, every zoning case,
[53:33] when you want to come up and speak, I
[53:34] got to swear you in every time. All
[53:36] right, come on up, sir.
[53:39] And then uh just raise your right hand.
[53:40] And then, sir, do you swear to tell the
[53:42] truth, the whole truth. I think the
[53:43] truth be to God.
[53:44] >> I do.
[53:44] >> Great. Uh, state your name and address
[53:46] for the record.
[53:46] >> My name is Dave Flourish. I own the
[53:48] adjoining building 1120 Ferris Road.
[53:50] >> Perfect. I also live in Anderson. Mike
[53:53] and I discussed this.
[53:54] >> Yeah.
[53:55] >> He got me on board with what they wanted
[53:57] to do. And um it's also in my also my
[53:59] best interest also to have that setback
[54:02] change.
[54:02] >> Yeah.
[54:03] >> Uh my ingress into my place if that
[54:06] building has to be set out 20 ft from
[54:08] that line is going to really limit the
[54:10] size of building that I can build.
[54:12] >> Got it.
[54:13] >> Perfect.
[54:14] >> I'm on board.
[54:16] >> Fantastic. Well, I appreciate the
[54:17] testimony. Yeah. Thank you.
[54:18] >> Thank you.
[54:18] sir. Appreciate you very
[54:19] much. [clears throat] Okay. Is there
[54:21] anyone else that is a proponent of this
[54:22] case? I see none. Is there anyone that's
[54:25] against this case? Opponent.
[54:28] Last call. All right. No sweat. Okay. Um
[54:32] All right. Uh gentlemen, honor a motion
[54:34] to close public hearing case uh 3-26-
[54:38] Oscar.
[54:38] >> So moved.
[54:39] >> Second.
[54:39] >> Uh Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[54:42] >> Mr. Becker?
[54:43] >> Yes.
[54:44] >> Mr. Lo?
[54:45] >> Yes.
[54:46] >> Mr. Dills?
[54:47] >> Yes. The public uh portion of this
[54:50] hearing is closed at 6:54 p.m.
[54:52] >> Okay. Uh gentleman discussion. Mr.
[54:54] Becker.
[54:55] >> Yes.
[54:56] >> Fair enough. Mr. Log, any issues,
[54:58] concerns?
[55:00] >> I have none.
[55:00] >> No. Okay. Good. Uh likewise. Uh
[55:02] gentlemen, I'll entertain a motion for
[55:04] the approval of Union Township overlay
[55:05] case 3-26-
[55:07] Oscar uh for the approval uh with
[55:10] modifications as recommended.
[55:12] >> So move.
[55:12] >> Second.
[55:13] >> Mr. Any further discussion? Mr.
[55:15] Campbell. Roll call. Mr. Becker,
[55:17] >> yes.
[55:17] >> Mr. Lo,
[55:18] >> yes.
[55:18] >> Mr. Jills,
[55:19] >> yes.
[55:19] >> Motion carries.
[55:20] >> Congratulations, Mike. You're
[55:22] >> good.
[55:25] All right.
[55:28] >> Oh, you got it. No sweat. The uh
[55:31] >> they're working together.
[55:32] >> Oh. Oh, it is. It's the same the same.
[55:34] Got it. Got it. I mean, Huh. Maybe I'll
[55:36] change my mind on this one. The uh just
[55:39] the uh Okay. Uh Mr. Flouty, sir. Overlay
[55:42] case 4-26- an Oscar. I don't anticipate
[55:45] this taking too long. You go ahead, sir.
[55:47] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. This is property
[55:50] located at 1120 Ferris Road. It's
[55:52] directly behind Mr. Abesta's property.
[55:55] The applicant is special touch
[55:57] landscaping, and they're requesting from
[55:59] the board of trustees
[56:02] an overlay district plan consisting of
[56:04] two enclosed storage structures. The
[56:07] first being a total of 10,000 square ft
[56:10] with the second being 6,000 square ft.
[56:13] The applicant is seeking relief from the
[56:15] 20 foot setback in the M1 district to
[56:18] have a setback of 3'6 in in the M1
[56:22] district located in the Bach Buckston
[56:24] corridor.
[56:26] The subject property sits on 4.77 acres
[56:30] and again is zoned M1. The principal
[56:35] primary structures were
[56:38] constructed around 1991 and 92 and the
[56:41] applicant intends to improve the
[56:43] property by constructing the additional
[56:45] structures for storage as noted for the
[56:47] existing landscaping business. Uh staff
[56:50] review and analysis. It is this proposal
[56:54] meets the intent of both the
[56:56] comprehensive land use plan and the
[56:58] overall district regulations surrounding
[57:01] properties are M1 industrial and it is
[57:05] consistent with supporting the goals and
[57:07] recommendations of the Box Bach Buckton
[57:10] Road commercial corridor. Again, if any
[57:13] new lighting is proposed, it'll need to
[57:14] be in accordance with article 14 of the
[57:17] zoning resolution in any detention
[57:20] proposed for the site containing any
[57:22] water from any additional proposals on
[57:25] the property. The action tonight that is
[57:28] required is in accordance with section
[57:30] 1310 of the zoning resolution that the
[57:33] board of trustees is to enter into a
[57:35] motion to approve as submitted. Approve
[57:37] with modifications or deny this focus
[57:40] area overlay district applications as
[57:42] presented. In case number 4-26-
[57:46] there are five recommended modifications
[57:49] should the board grant favorable
[57:51] consideration to the overlay
[57:52] application. one that the applicant
[57:54] shall comply with the requirements of
[57:56] all federal, state, and local agencies.
[58:00] The future lighting plan shall be with
[58:03] the requirements of article 14. If there
[58:06] are any proposals of signage, it shall
[58:08] be monument style signage. The applicant
[58:11] shall provide additional privacy if
[58:14] there is any visual outdoor storage
[58:17] areas to the main streets. and the
[58:20] applicant shall be subject to review of
[58:21] the buildings containing the number of
[58:23] structures, square footage, location,
[58:25] and material subject to administrative
[58:27] review and approval. With that, that
[58:29] concludes the report for overlay case
[58:31] 4-26-
[58:35] uh vice chairman.
[58:36] >> No questions,
[58:37] >> Mr. Lo.
[58:40] No questions.
[58:40] >> Yep. Okay. Gentlemen, I'll entertain a
[58:42] motion to open public hearings case
[58:45] overlay case 4-26-
[58:47] Oscar. So moved.
[58:49] >> Second,
[58:50] >> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[58:52] >> Mr. Becker?
[58:52] >> Yes.
[58:53] >> Mr. Lug?
[58:54] >> Yes.
[58:54] >> Mr. Dills?
[58:55] >> Yes.
[58:56] >> Public hearing is open at 6:58 p.m.
[58:58] >> All right. We start off with the
[58:59] developer landowner. You're more than
[59:01] welcome to speak. I got to tell you, I
[59:02] have a gut feeling you're not going to
[59:03] have any problems, but it's uh uh you're
[59:06] more welcome to come up here and speak.
[59:07] Now, since this is a separate case, I
[59:09] got to swear you in for this one as
[59:10] well.
[59:11] >> All right.
[59:14] You swear to tell the truth, the whole
[59:15] truth. By the truth, self be God.
[59:17] >> I do. Great. Name it and address for the
[59:18] record.
[59:19] >> 1120 Ferris Road. My name's Dave Flour.
[59:23] Um,
[59:24] been there since about 91 92.
[59:28] Mike helped me out a lot when I moved in
[59:30] because I had no water, no electric. So,
[59:32] we've been buddies ever since. Uh, when
[59:35] he did his building and he told me about
[59:37] the change in the setbacks, I got really
[59:39] excited because it greatly changes my
[59:41] ability to make my building bigger. When
[59:43] you start setting your stuff back from
[59:45] the fence, it kind of crowds things in
[59:48] there.
[59:49] >> Okay.
[59:49] >> So, that's why I'm here.
[59:52] >> Yeah, fair enough. What What line of
[59:53] business are you in?
[59:54] >> A lot of landscape.
[59:55] >> Oh, fantastic. Okay. So, no, appreciate
[59:57] you investing in Union Township and uh
[59:59] we're just happy to help. Uh sorry it's
[1:00:01] a little bit of a process, but uh but
[1:00:03] no, appreciate you invest in our
[1:00:04] township. Uh Mr. Becker.
[1:00:05] >> No, I'm good.
[1:00:06] >> Mr. Log, I'm good. Thank you. Yeah,
[1:00:08] appreciate it. Thank you. You're all
[1:00:09] good. Appreciate you, sir. All good. And
[1:00:11] then uh uh is there anyone else that's a
[1:00:13] proponent of this case? Okay, seeing
[1:00:15] none opponent.
[1:00:17] All right, let's go and close it. Uh
[1:00:19] gentlemen, entertain a motion to close
[1:00:20] public hearing overlay case 4-26- Oscar.
[1:00:24] >> So move second.
[1:00:25] >> Mr. Campbell, roll call.
[1:00:26] >> Mr. Becker,
[1:00:27] >> yes.
[1:00:28] >> Mr. Log,
[1:00:28] >> yes.
[1:00:29] >> Mr. Jules,
[1:00:30] >> yes.
[1:00:30] >> Public portion of this closed at 7 p.m.
[1:00:33] >> All right. Uh any discussion, gentlemen.
[1:00:36] See none. Okay. Uh, I will gentlemen I
[1:00:38] will entertain a motion for the approval
[1:00:40] with modifications as recommended for
[1:00:42] Union Township overlay case 4-26-
[1:00:45] Oscar.
[1:00:45] >> So moved.
[1:00:46] >> Second.
[1:00:47] >> Uh, Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[1:00:48] >> Mr. Becker.
[1:00:49] >> Yes.
[1:00:50] >> Mr. Lou.
[1:00:50] >> Yes.
[1:00:51] >> Mr. D.
[1:00:51] >> Yes.
[1:00:52] >> Motion carries.
[1:00:53] >> Congratulations, Dave. The uh Okay. So,
[1:00:56] what we'll do before we get to uh both
[1:00:59] zoning cases, uh they're both kind of
[1:01:01] similar kind of. uh at 8 o'clock I'm
[1:01:03] going to have a hard cut off so we can
[1:01:04] take a at that point a two-hour break
[1:01:06] which is in one hour uh and then I will
[1:01:08] break for five minutes you know whatever
[1:01:10] five seven minutes uh also I want to say
[1:01:13] this for those that are against the case
[1:01:16] uh in the event hypothetically it is
[1:01:18] approved I would like for when you you
[1:01:20] don't have to but I would like for you
[1:01:22] to speak on maybe something you would
[1:01:25] like this is now your opportunity
[1:01:27] assuming it's approved it might not be
[1:01:28] approved but if it is approved this is
[1:01:30] your chance to negotiate
[1:01:32] For example, in the past, what I've done
[1:01:34] is I've had the developer over here and
[1:01:35] I've had residents say, you know, I want
[1:01:38] a a landscaping buffer. I would like a
[1:01:40] white uh vinyl fence, 6 foot high vinyl
[1:01:42] fence so I don't have to see these
[1:01:43] houses or I don't have to see whatever.
[1:01:45] I would like this or that and I'm going
[1:01:46] to tell a developer, hey, I'm going to
[1:01:47] put this in here if you want me to prove
[1:01:48] it, you know, kind of thing. This is our
[1:01:50] chance to negotiate where both sides
[1:01:52] win, both sides lose a little bit and
[1:01:54] it's compromise. Or you don't have to at
[1:01:56] all. That's up to you. So when you
[1:01:57] speak, that's your opportunity to say,
[1:01:59] "Hey, if it is approved, I would like to
[1:02:00] see this, this, and this." Okay. Uh so
[1:02:03] um with that being said, and by the way,
[1:02:06] um the uh um the floor is yours. You're allowed to talk, you know, as
[1:02:11] long as you want. Just just know even if
[1:02:13] we're in the middle of this case, in one
[1:02:15] hour, I'm going to call a timeout, five
[1:02:16] minute break, and then we'll come back.
[1:02:18] So Okay. Just everyone knows. Um okay.
[1:02:22] Uh gentlemen, oh no, let's not open it
[1:02:23] yet. Uh Mr. Flowy, sir. Uh, zoning case
[1:02:27] 3-26-Zenzula.
[1:02:29] Go ahead and introduce that, sir.
[1:02:31] >> Thank you, Mr. Dells. This is a request.
[1:02:33] The name is the Oaks at Ridge Point
[1:02:36] subdivision. The applicant is Chris
[1:02:39] Hener at 1062 Kluff Pike. The action
[1:02:44] requested is for a total of three
[1:02:47] parcels totaling 23.63 63 acres to be
[1:02:50] reszoned from R1 single family to an R4
[1:02:54] single family variable residential
[1:02:56] district in order to allow for a
[1:02:59] proposed concept plan subdivision
[1:03:01] developing development consisting of 58
[1:03:04] lots for single family dwelling units
[1:03:07] landscaping elements entry monument sign
[1:03:11] and open spaces. Some land use and
[1:03:14] zoning characteristics in the general
[1:03:16] vicinity is residential uses with the
[1:03:19] exception of instit institutional uses
[1:03:22] such as Club Pike Baptist Church in the
[1:03:25] West Claremont High School to the south.
[1:03:28] In relation to the 2030 comprehensive
[1:03:30] land use plan indicates that the
[1:03:33] proposal is not located within any
[1:03:35] designated corridor. However, the use
[1:03:38] itself would be supportive to single
[1:03:40] family residential character in this
[1:03:42] area of the township. A single family
[1:03:45] residential development goals stated
[1:03:47] within the plan calls for a single
[1:03:50] family dwelling densities up to four
[1:03:52] units per acre, which this proposal
[1:03:54] achieves with a gross density of 2.5
[1:03:58] 2.45
[1:04:00] units an acre. Moving on to some of the
[1:04:06] background information. This area has
[1:04:09] been in the R1 single family zoning
[1:04:12] district since the institution of
[1:04:13] zoning. Since then, the properties have
[1:04:15] been used for agricultural and/or
[1:04:17] residential uses
[1:04:20] according to the auditor site. Some
[1:04:23] staff review and analysis. Wanted to
[1:04:25] note that the staff comments have been
[1:04:27] revised since the zoning commission
[1:04:29] recommendation from the June 24th
[1:04:32] meeting with relation due to the road
[1:04:35] layout. The new lot configuration shows
[1:04:39] seven homes being ended in a culde-sac
[1:04:42] off of Ridge Point Drive and an
[1:04:44] additional 51 homes being accessed off
[1:04:47] of Kluff Pike to be ended in a
[1:04:51] culde-sac. This differs from the
[1:04:54] previous plan which included a through
[1:04:57] street through Ridge Point and there was
[1:04:59] talk back and forth with the zoning
[1:05:01] commission on whether or not to
[1:05:04] have it a through street have a lock
[1:05:07] knock box for emergency services. And as
[1:05:11] we went through the process with the
[1:05:14] developer, uh, they came up and we came
[1:05:19] up with this idea of doing the culde-sac
[1:05:22] to complete the street in the
[1:05:23] subdivision back there off of Ridge
[1:05:25] Point with seven homes in a culde-sac
[1:05:27] and then the 51 additional off of Ridge
[1:05:30] Point. Some additional information
[1:05:33] with this application is the proposed
[1:05:36] street and trees are throughout the
[1:05:38] subdivision with additional plantings
[1:05:41] being provided.
[1:05:43] Uh some of the lots have changed with
[1:05:44] the new proposal since the total amount
[1:05:47] of lots have gone from 60 to 58. Some
[1:05:52] street lighting has been proposed. The
[1:05:54] lighting shall be consistent with
[1:05:55] article 14. An entry monument sign is
[1:05:59] proposed. consideration should be taken
[1:06:00] for the site distance clearance onto
[1:06:02] Clark Pike.
[1:06:05] Lastly, going back to the zoning
[1:06:07] commission, they recommended five
[1:06:09] modifications.
[1:06:11] The fifth modification was the sample
[1:06:13] proposed home facades. The applicant, we
[1:06:16] have a proposal from them to pull up
[1:06:18] with the proposed homes. So lastly, the
[1:06:22] action required tonight is in accordance
[1:06:24] with section 650 through 659 of the
[1:06:27] zoning resolution that the board of
[1:06:28] trustees is to enter into a motion to
[1:06:30] approve as recommended by the zoning
[1:06:32] commission. Approve with additional
[1:06:34] modifications or deny this zoning map
[1:06:37] amendment in accompanying concept plan
[1:06:39] as permitted in Union Township zoning
[1:06:41] case 3-26-Z.
[1:06:45] Staff has made additional
[1:06:46] recommendations due to the new road
[1:06:49] layout and lot configuration that per
[1:06:52] the Horizon 2030 plan to add a
[1:06:55] pedestrian connectivity between the
[1:06:58] established and existing Ridge Point
[1:07:00] subdivision drive to the new
[1:07:02] development. And lastly, efforts to
[1:07:05] maintain the same pre previous
[1:07:07] preservation areas which appear to have
[1:07:09] changed slightly to have them labeled as
[1:07:12] pre preserved and to pay attention to
[1:07:15] the screening to the existing
[1:07:16] residential areas from the proposed
[1:07:18] development. With that, that concludes
[1:07:21] the report for case number 3-26-Z.
[1:07:26] » Thank you, Mr. Flouty. Uh, vice
[1:07:28] chairman, any questions?
[1:07:29] >> Yeah, I do have one.
[1:07:32] So, Mr. Flowouty.
[1:07:33] >> Hypothetically,
[1:07:35] >> if we were to approve
[1:07:38] changing the zoning from an R1 to an R4
[1:07:42] >> and the developer, for whatever reason,
[1:07:45] it could be any number of reasons,
[1:07:47] >> may choose not to build anything at this
[1:07:50] time. Mhm.
[1:07:51] >> could several years from now, new board,
[1:07:57] maybe a new developer, maybe not, choose
[1:08:00] to build apartment buildings on this
[1:08:02] property.
[1:08:04] >> Yes. I That would be a hypothetical that
[1:08:07] could potentially
[1:08:08] >> not R4. Not not R4. It's got to be R3.
[1:08:12] >> PD is apartment.
[1:08:13] >> Oh, yeah. So,
[1:08:14] >> what does R4 allow then?
[1:08:16] >> Sorry.
[1:08:17] >> Single
[1:08:18] >> condos. So if you're you're asking if
[1:08:21] you approve this to an R4,
[1:08:24] >> they come back. Yeah, sorry I
[1:08:25] misunderstood the question. So this
[1:08:28] development what the R4 variable
[1:08:30] structure
[1:08:32] >> does is it creates a formal plan. So
[1:08:34] what you are approving is the concept
[1:08:36] plan in front of you. If there are to be
[1:08:39] any changes to that, you have to come
[1:08:41] forward, the applicant will have to come
[1:08:44] forward with a new set of plans and have
[1:08:47] a new set of approvals to do any changes
[1:08:50] from this. That would be adding a lot,
[1:08:52] changing from single family to attached
[1:08:55] single family. That that would trigger
[1:08:57] coming back to this board. If they were
[1:08:59] to approve, if you were to approve the
[1:09:01] R4 tonight, the development has to be
[1:09:04] per this plan in front of you tonight.
[1:09:08] Okay. So if we
[1:09:10] so so if we approve this tonight and
[1:09:13] then you know the for whatever reason
[1:09:16] they can't or choose not not to go
[1:09:18] forward five years from now
[1:09:20] >> they they decide they want to come up
[1:09:22] with a new plan. Does it revert to R1
[1:09:25] between now and then?
[1:09:26] >> It it would it would not but a new R4
[1:09:29] plan would have to go before the board.
[1:09:30] >> Okay. And then so how different could an
[1:09:33] R4 plan be if it's not this one that's
[1:09:36] before us?
[1:09:38] The hypotheticals can can range, you
[1:09:40] know, depending on what what would bring
[1:09:43] in. But if they would go from this plan
[1:09:46] to
[1:09:48] attached, if they would go above the 58
[1:09:51] number, you know, it again it's variable
[1:09:54] structure. So the possibility to change
[1:09:56] is you know,
[1:09:58] >> basically what I'm if they change from
[1:10:00] this plan, it's got to come back to the
[1:10:01] board.
[1:10:02] >> Correct. Yes.
[1:10:03] >> Yes. It could be a future board is my
[1:10:05] several years from now is my point.
[1:10:07] That's all I have.
[1:10:08] >> Yeah.
[1:10:09] Mr. L, any questions?
[1:10:12] >> Uh, just a [clears throat] little bit is
[1:10:14] uh
[1:10:16] Mr. Becker, is the concern about
[1:10:20] action tonight and then developer not
[1:10:23] being able to to move forward or
[1:10:26] >> I guess I'm just confused about the
[1:10:27] concern of the I want to make sure hear
[1:10:29] his concern.
[1:10:30] >> We're not debating this right now. We're
[1:10:31] asking Mr. Fl.
[1:10:32] >> Okay. I just trying to understand his
[1:10:33] question. No, I don't have a question
[1:10:34] for Mr. Flatty.
[1:10:35] >> U Mr. Flatty. So on basically let's look at this property as an
[1:10:40] overhead there
[1:10:41] >> and uh so uh
[1:10:45] I'm going to say up because it's not
[1:10:47] north, it would be south. But so so uh
[1:10:49] up from the property or I should say to
[1:10:52] the left, let's do the left. Left of the
[1:10:54] property of the of the square. What is
[1:10:56] the average
[1:10:58] um lot size? Um right right there on the
[1:11:02] left on the left through here left
[1:11:04] >> outside the property the existing
[1:11:06] properties
[1:11:06] >> these these through here.
[1:11:08] >> Well so they range
[1:11:09] >> in the community to the left. So just
[1:11:10] the ballpark the
[1:11:11] >> ballpark. So they range you know along Kluff here we do have larger lots
[1:11:15] those were cut out previously you know
[1:11:17] as Kluff developed through and then all
[1:11:20] along so the existing community back
[1:11:23] behind the existing subdivision
[1:11:25] especially you see where ridge point
[1:11:27] that is R2. So, the existing lots within
[1:11:30] the R2, there's a minimum of 20,000
[1:11:34] >> 10,000 square feet. So, you're roughly
[1:11:36] >> a little bit below a quarter of an acre,
[1:11:39] but you might as well just say a quarter
[1:11:40] of an acre.
[1:11:41] >> So, those lot sizes uh on the bottom
[1:11:45] roughly are are quarter of an acre
[1:11:47] ballpark.
[1:11:48] >> The ones where my cursor is at here,
[1:11:51] they're around a quarter of an acre.
[1:11:53] >> Okay. Ballpark, give or take a little
[1:11:55] bit.
[1:11:55] >> Yeah.
[1:11:56] >> All right. And then uh what about to the
[1:11:58] left?
[1:11:59] >> These they vary. They're going to be a
[1:12:01] little bit larger as they're cut out.
[1:12:04] >> I would say half an acre to quarter of
[1:12:08] an acre.
[1:12:09] >> Okay.
[1:12:09] >> One acre.
[1:12:10] >> All right.
[1:12:13] Okay.
[1:12:15] Uh that's all the questions I got for
[1:12:16] you. Thank you. Oh, do do you have any
[1:12:18] pictures of what these houses are going
[1:12:20] to look like?
[1:12:20] >> Yeah, let me pull up their presentation
[1:12:22] here.
[1:12:23] >> And by by the way, I might be stealing
[1:12:25] their thunder. if they want to show
[1:12:26] theirs.
[1:12:29] >> We got
[1:12:32] Okay. If this Are they going to be going
[1:12:34] through their PowerPoint? Is that their
[1:12:35] plan?
[1:12:35] >> Yes.
[1:12:35] >> Okay. Never mind. I don't want to steal
[1:12:37] their thumb. I'll let them do that. But
[1:12:38] I I every single time we have a building
[1:12:40] though, I want to see a picture of what it potentially is going to look
[1:12:43] like. Uh I don't care if it's a shed or
[1:12:45] if it's a massive complex. So, okay.
[1:12:48] >> Uh fair enough. Okay. Um any more
[1:12:51] questions for Mr. Flowy? Good. Let's
[1:12:53] open this case. Uh, gentlemen, I'll
[1:12:54] entertain a motion to open Union
[1:12:56] Township zoning case 3-26-Z in Zulu.
[1:12:58] >> So move second.
[1:13:00] >> Any further discussion? Mr. Campbell,
[1:13:01] roll call.
[1:13:02] >> Mr. Becker.
[1:13:03] >> Yes.
[1:13:03] >> Mr. Lug.
[1:13:04] >> Yes.
[1:13:05] >> Mr. Dills.
[1:13:05] >> Yes.
[1:13:06] >> Public hearing is open at 7:12 p.m.
[1:13:08] >> All right. Good. Good. Uh, same thing.
[1:13:10] Like to start off with the developer.
[1:13:11] They're here and uh or so their
[1:13:13] spokesperson. And uh
[1:13:17] and then uh
[1:13:19] >> we'll have you come through. Perfect.
[1:13:20] And then you saw what I had to do. So,
[1:13:22] let me can I swear you in?
[1:13:23] >> Yes.
[1:13:23] >> All right. Raise your hand. Do you swear
[1:13:24] to tell the truth? The whole truth about
[1:13:26] the truth. Help you God.
[1:13:27] >> I do.
[1:13:27] >> Great. Please uh state your name and
[1:13:28] address for the record.
[1:13:30] >> My name is Doug Smith. I'm with Abraine
[1:13:32] Associates, the civil side engineer for
[1:13:34] the project. The address is 811 Chevy
[1:13:38] Road 200 [snorts] Cincinnati, Ohio
[1:13:40] 45247.
[1:13:42] >> And then uh
[1:13:43] >> Good evening, gentlemen. Uh, also here
[1:13:45] with me tonight is uh
[1:13:48] Brian Henny and Paul Mezer with Arbor
[1:13:51] Homes will be the builder uh in this
[1:13:53] proposed development. And then also in
[1:13:55] the back row next throwback is Ed Fuia
[1:14:00] with Beaver Creek Site Management.
[1:14:02] They're the developers for the project.
[1:14:03] So I'll be here to answer any questions
[1:14:06] you might have. But um I'd like to first
[1:14:08] off and state that um we're excited for
[1:14:11] this development and we think it'd be a nice addition to the township, provide
[1:14:16] nice housing. Uh you know, the R4 uh
[1:14:19] provides an advantage to allow us to
[1:14:21] preserve some of the natural features.
[1:14:23] uh the the the existing pond that's on
[1:14:26] the site as well as the uh the stream
[1:14:30] that's to the I want to say
[1:14:31] [clears throat] to the south I guess is
[1:14:33] uh and the woodlands along it will be
[1:14:35] preserved in open space. We have three
[1:14:37] open space areas meeting the 20%
[1:14:39] requirement. Um you know we we we're
[1:14:43] excited about it. It's it's a similar
[1:14:45] lot, similar product as as the adjacent
[1:14:47] residence as well as the Magnolia Trace
[1:14:50] development that uh is just down the
[1:14:52] street off Shaylor. This will provide
[1:14:54] the same type of housing which we think
[1:14:56] is all very successful and it's done
[1:14:58] well in the township. Um I can say that
[1:15:02] during the um zoning commission meeting
[1:15:05] there was concern about access. We had a
[1:15:08] through street uh Craig I don't know if
[1:15:11] you could pull up the old plan. Yeah.
[1:15:13] Let's see.
[1:15:27] So, this is the plan we presented at the
[1:15:30] zoning commission that had a through
[1:15:32] street from Pluff Pike to Ridge Point
[1:15:34] Drive. uh the residents in in the on
[1:15:37] Ridge Point Drive had a lot of concerns
[1:15:39] about the through traffic and and the
[1:15:41] cut through at that time we proposed to
[1:15:43] gay some you know ballards or some
[1:15:47] things of that nature. Um so
[1:15:49] [clears throat] basically uh Mr. Wright
[1:15:51] Mr. cloudy. Our team met with the county
[1:15:54] engineer. We discussed our options and
[1:15:57] based on the public input and and and
[1:16:00] what we felt was going to be best for
[1:16:01] this development, they developer reduced
[1:16:03] the lots by two lots. We went from 60 to
[1:16:06] 58 units. Um and then we uh terminated
[1:16:10] Ridgeoint Drive in a culde-sac to to
[1:16:13] eliminate that through traffic that uh
[1:16:17] was you know acceptable through the
[1:16:19] county engineer and uh you know that's uh how we kind of
[1:16:25] ended up the plan we have today. We do
[1:16:28] have water sewer availability. There's
[1:16:30] water and sewer available to serve the
[1:16:31] development. Um I can have Mr. Penning
[1:16:35] or Mr. Mezers talk about the product if
[1:16:37] you like. if you'd like to know more
[1:16:38] about the housing product.
[1:16:41] >> Oh, one sec. Uh, Mr. Wester, any
[1:16:43] questions?
[1:16:44] >> Uh, no, but I do want to say that my
[1:16:46] prior question, you know, about
[1:16:48] potential apartments and what the
[1:16:50] develop could do. It had nothing to do
[1:16:52] with any of you in this room. It was
[1:16:54] really just a hypothetical in my own
[1:16:55] mind about zoning in general. So, no
[1:16:58] offense was intended. The the only
[1:17:00] comment I might add to that is is
[1:17:01] [clears throat] uh and Craig, correct me
[1:17:03] if I'm wrong, that u the R4 it's a
[1:17:06] variable type housing, but it's it's
[1:17:08] single family type housing. It's it's
[1:17:10] not multif family or you know the R4 is
[1:17:13] a single type single family residential
[1:17:16] type housing. It's just whether it's
[1:17:18] single family or attached is my
[1:17:19] understanding.
[1:17:20] >> The multif family would have to be in
[1:17:21] the PD district.
[1:17:23] >> Yeah.
[1:17:24] So, so no matter what it would be a
[1:17:26] single single family residential
[1:17:28] product.
[1:17:29] >> Yeah.
[1:17:29] >> I don't have any questions.
[1:17:30] >> Yeah. One sec, Mr. Luke.
[1:17:33] >> No,
[1:17:34] >> thank you for presentation on it.
[1:17:35] >> Uh, I'm going to ask a few questions,
[1:17:37] but I don't know if it's going to be
[1:17:38] necessarily for you or or Arbor the
[1:17:40] builders um
[1:17:43] or it might even be for uh the Fuja
[1:17:47] family. But uh question, first question
[1:17:49] is if you can't answer it, that's okay.
[1:17:51] I'll go through and you can answer with
[1:17:52] first question. How long was the
[1:17:54] property on the market until you you all
[1:17:56] bought it? Now, that's a probably a Fuja
[1:17:58] question, but uh Okay, so the um
[1:18:01] >> what's the average ballpark price of
[1:18:03] these homes? Ballpark.
[1:18:05] >> That would be an Arbor home,
[1:18:06] >> right? Roger that. All right. Um are you
[1:18:08] all willing to
[1:18:11] add any to work with the residents again
[1:18:15] we approve this? If we don't, then this
[1:18:17] is null and void. But are you willing to
[1:18:18] work with the residents if they come up
[1:18:20] and say, "Hey, we would like a white
[1:18:22] vinyl 6ft fence to put up there so I
[1:18:25] don't have to see any new homes." Are
[1:18:27] you willing to put up maybe some rolling
[1:18:28] hills that or whatever? Are you willing
[1:18:30] to work with the residents on that to
[1:18:32] create buffers?
[1:18:34] >> I can't speak on behalf of that on
[1:18:36] behalf of Mr. Fuier. I know that uh yes,
[1:18:38] we'd be willing to work with the
[1:18:40] residents. We've already been in
[1:18:41] discussion with some of them.
[1:18:42] >> All right, fair enough. And then uh what
[1:18:44] about traffic count? Did did you all do
[1:18:46] a traffic count study?
[1:18:47] >> We did. We did a traffic count study.
[1:18:49] We've prepared a traffic impact study
[1:18:51] and we presented that to the county
[1:18:53] engineer and it's currently in in review
[1:18:55] and being processed.
[1:18:56] >> Do do you have any more information on
[1:18:58] it?
[1:18:58] >> Yeah, it uh it it basically says that no
[1:19:01] turn lanes are warranted on Club Pike.
[1:19:03] No improvements are required to Club
[1:19:04] Pike and the development is, you know,
[1:19:07] the the surrounding roadways are
[1:19:10] adequate to serve the proposed
[1:19:11] development with no improvements.
[1:19:12] >> Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Uh, Mr. Smith,
[1:19:15] that's all I got. Appreciate it. Thank
[1:19:16] you. Thank you.
[1:19:17] >> And then uh uh and then any other Yeah.
[1:19:20] You part of the development team? Yeah.
[1:19:21] Come on up, please.
[1:19:21] >> I'll swear you in.
[1:19:23] >> All right. Please swear your hand. Do
[1:19:24] you swear to tell the truth, the whole
[1:19:25] truth? I the truth. Help you God.
[1:19:26] >> I do.
[1:19:27] >> State your name and address for the
[1:19:28] record.
[1:19:28] >> Uh Edwin Fujia. Address is 7861 East
[1:19:33] Keer Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45249.
[1:19:36] Please go ahead. um to address the
[1:19:38] couple questions you had for us. Um as
[1:19:41] far as how long the property's on the
[1:19:43] market, I don't know. We typically get
[1:19:45] things before they hit the market. Um
[1:19:49] >> and then as far as buffering goes, we
[1:19:51] are happy to help. Um whether it's
[1:19:53] landscaping or a you know artificial
[1:19:57] buffer like a fence or something like
[1:19:58] that in place where it's needed, we're
[1:20:01] always open to that. We want to be good
[1:20:03] neighbors.
[1:20:04] >> Fair enough. Uh but uh before we I
[1:20:06] always allow my vice chair to go first.
[1:20:08] Vice Chairman, do you have any
[1:20:08] questions?
[1:20:10] >> Mr. Lo, the uh uh ballpark. Uh now I
[1:20:13] know this is probably an Arbor question
[1:20:14] because y'all are building, but uh uh do
[1:20:16] we know the average price of the homes
[1:20:17] yet? Ballpark?
[1:20:19] >> I'll let Arbor.
[1:20:19] >> Okay, one more. Um
[1:20:22] I'm sure you you probably footed the
[1:20:24] bill for the traffic count. Can can you
[1:20:25] give me any more insight on that? cuz
[1:20:27] I'll tell you I'll tell you what you're
[1:20:28] going to hear tonight and it's probably
[1:20:30] no surprise to you is uh during rush
[1:20:32] hour times I drive Kluff every single
[1:20:35] day so I can personally say uh there's
[1:20:37] times where Kluff's fine. Cluff's fine.
[1:20:38] It's not a problem. Then there's times
[1:20:40] where Club Pike is a disaster and you
[1:20:41] avoid at all cost. However,
[1:20:45] whether you all like it or not, that's
[1:20:46] actually a county road is not. We don't
[1:20:48] own that road. That's a county road
[1:20:49] which they really need to uh expand it
[1:20:51] probably make it four ways. But uh
[1:20:53] anyways, regardless, their concern is
[1:20:55] going to be uh the traffic count and and folks trying to turn left on Kloff
[1:21:00] at 7 8:00 in the morning. Uh I can
[1:21:02] guarantee every single person is
[1:21:04] probably going to come up here and say
[1:21:04] that. So any thoughts or suggestions on
[1:21:07] that?
[1:21:08] >> So I don't know the exact counts off
[1:21:10] hand. Um however, what I do know about
[1:21:13] the study is we used a 10-year time
[1:21:16] period for the study at that with the
[1:21:18] traffic counts they generated. The way
[1:21:20] the traffic study works and you all may
[1:21:23] know this. So they submit our engineer
[1:21:25] who's doing the traffic study submits a
[1:21:27] memorandum of understanding to the
[1:21:29] county.
[1:21:29] >> Yeah.
[1:21:29] >> The county agrees this is what we're
[1:21:32] studying. Uh after that there's a volume
[1:21:34] submitt and we our engineer submits you
[1:21:38] know says these are the volumes that
[1:21:40] we're going to use. The county says okay
[1:21:42] we agree with those volumes. They can
[1:21:44] either increase the volumes decrease the
[1:21:46] volumes. um with Claremont County and
[1:21:49] our experience that they typically like
[1:21:51] to increase the volumes um as a
[1:21:54] conservative matter.
[1:21:55] >> Um so we got approved on the volumes. We
[1:21:58] did the traffic study. There was no
[1:22:00] using the 10-year period. There was no
[1:22:02] um
[1:22:04] >> traffic there was obviously there's
[1:22:06] impact but there was no improvements
[1:22:08] deemed necessary. Uh currently they are
[1:22:11] asking us to stretch that out instead of
[1:22:13] 10 years to 20 years. This was just as
[1:22:15] of I think a couple days ago.
[1:22:18] >> Um so that's what we're working on right
[1:22:20] now. See
[1:22:21] >> all it's all I can ask for is you get
[1:22:22] you got the factual data. If they say
[1:22:23] it's it's good then it's and that's all we got. So um I think that's
[1:22:28] all I got. Appreciate you. Thank you.
[1:22:30] Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Yeah. And
[1:22:32] I assume the builders. Yeah.
[1:22:34] >> All right. Raise your right hand and do
[1:22:36] you swear to tell truth? The whole
[1:22:37] truth. I want the truth. Hope you got
[1:22:38] it.
[1:22:38] >> I do. Brian. Yeah. Brian Hending. 9050
[1:22:42] Center Point Drive. got paper copies if
[1:22:44] you guys want any.
[1:22:45] >> Um but yeah, uh so average price is
[1:22:49] going to be 360,000
[1:22:51] to 550,000.
[1:22:53] Um these homes are very customizable by
[1:22:56] the kind of home buyer. So it really
[1:22:58] depends on what they select ultimately.
[1:23:01] One thing on traffic is this will be a
[1:23:04] kind of 55 plus targeted community. All homes are ranch homes. So there
[1:23:10] might just be a little less traffic
[1:23:12] coming out of this neighborhood than
[1:23:13] versus a you know a typical suburb
[1:23:16] suburban neighborhood with families you
[1:23:18] know taking kids to soccer practice and
[1:23:20] all that. Um we've got five floor plans.
[1:23:23] Each floor plan has different uh five
[1:23:25] different elevations. Um they can pick a
[1:23:28] variety of colors. We have a anti-
[1:23:31] monotony policy where essentially no uh
[1:23:34] house next door or across the street is
[1:23:37] allowed to have the same elevation or
[1:23:39] floor or color scheme. Um so essentially
[1:23:42] that just kind of keeps kind of a a
[1:23:44] design rhythm that um you know takes
[1:23:47] away the monotony essentially. So yeah
[1:23:50] that's about it. I don't know if you
[1:23:51] guys have any questions for us. Happy to
[1:23:53] go through kind of our company history
[1:23:55] or anything else you guys
[1:23:57] >> want to say Mr. Mr. back or anything?
[1:23:59] >> No.
[1:24:00] >> Mr. Luke,
[1:24:02] >> I like that destination line. It's
[1:24:04] interesting.
[1:24:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's nice. A lot of lot
[1:24:07] of communities are looking for that 55
[1:24:09] plus housing type thing.
[1:24:11] >> Okay. So, so just recap the uh so your target market to sell these homes
[1:24:18] is 55 plus age range.
[1:24:19] >> Yep.
[1:24:20] >> Uh price range is ballpark 360 to
[1:24:23] 550,000.
[1:24:24] >> Y
[1:24:26] >> and they're all ranch. So, uh,
[1:24:28] basements, no basements.
[1:24:29] >> Uh, so the customer can select a
[1:24:32] basement, but
[1:24:32] >> Okay. Well, basically, they're not going
[1:24:34] to be two stories. It sounds like
[1:24:35] they're all right.
[1:24:35] >> No, they could be. So, essentially, uh,
[1:24:38] a customer can either select, uh, to
[1:24:41] have a basement or a second story. It
[1:24:44] won't like these are the elevations of
[1:24:46] the home. The second story is
[1:24:48] essentially almost like half story.
[1:24:50] >> Got it.
[1:24:50] >> Um, so yeah.
[1:24:51] >> Okay. Okay. And then uh assuming
[1:24:54] hypothetically if it is approved, when
[1:24:56] are you all planning on breaking ground?
[1:24:58] >> Uh that would be the developer, but uh
[1:25:00] we would say as soon as possible. I
[1:25:02] would I would guess spring.
[1:25:06] » Okay.
[1:25:07] >> We we are constantly pushing these guys
[1:25:09] to
[1:25:09] >> That's okay. That's okay. All right. All
[1:25:10] right. That's uh I think that's all I
[1:25:12] got. Okay. And then uh and then hey I
[1:25:14] would uh
[1:25:16] >> once the folks come up and speak I would
[1:25:18] uh be prepared to just answer any
[1:25:20] questions they or concerns they might
[1:25:21] have for whoever is best suited for that
[1:25:22] one. So okay thank you. Thank you sir.
[1:25:25] >> Um okay. And is there anyone else that
[1:25:28] is a proponent of this case that is for
[1:25:30] this case that would like to talk?
[1:25:33] >> Okay. Anyone that's an opponent? Yeah.
[1:25:35] Come on up. So and by the way I I don't need cards for this one. Uh so
[1:25:38] you're okay. That's just for public
[1:25:39] comment. So uh but go on. Come on up.
[1:25:41] Dave, I'll swear you in.
[1:25:43] >> Okay.
[1:25:43] >> All right, sir. Do you swear to tell the
[1:25:45] truth, the whole truth? But the truth,
[1:25:46] shall be God.
[1:25:47] >> So, help me to God. I do.
[1:25:48] >> Name name and address for the record,
[1:25:49] sir.
[1:25:50] >> David E. Muse. Uh, 1071 Cluff Pike.
[1:25:55] Sounds like I need to get in the golf
[1:25:56] cart business because if it's 55 and
[1:25:59] older, that's what's going to be driving
[1:26:01] in that community over there. You know
[1:26:03] what I mean? I got to start selling golf
[1:26:06] carts.
[1:26:06] >> I think so.
[1:26:07] >> Okay. Thank you to the board of trustees
[1:26:10] for having this opportunity for the
[1:26:12] community to speak before you. Cast your
[1:26:14] votes on the zoning change from R1 to R4
[1:26:20] for the subdivision to be known as the
[1:26:22] Oaks at Ridge Point. My name is David E.
[1:26:25] Muse and I am with the Union
[1:26:28] [clears throat] Township Republican
[1:26:29] Central Committee. I represent voting
[1:26:33] precinct T. Yes, it's true. Only
[1:26:36] Republicans voted me in this position in
[1:26:40] our last primary. I told John Becker,
[1:26:44] who asked me to join and run for
[1:26:46] election, that I would listen and try
[1:26:49] and help with concerns that all voters
[1:26:52] in precinct had, no matter what
[1:26:55] political party they did or not belong
[1:26:59] to. And now here is my first
[1:27:02] representation for Union Township Voting
[1:27:05] Precinct T. I or no one wants to stand
[1:27:10] in a land owner's way of selling their
[1:27:13] land and providing for their family. But
[1:27:17] what we do ask is for them to think
[1:27:21] about the neighbors
[1:27:24] they had while growing up and the person
[1:27:28] that gave you the land and how they
[1:27:33] loved Kluff Pike. They called home for
[1:27:37] many years.
[1:27:39] I first off want to speak about Kluff
[1:27:42] Pike between Shaylor Road and McMahon
[1:27:45] Road. It is one of the busiest and
[1:27:48] dangerous stretches of road in Union
[1:27:51] Township. This section is at its peak
[1:27:55] congestion during school bus pickup in
[1:27:59] the morning and workers going to work at
[1:28:02] it starts all over again when all
[1:28:06] schools let out and workers are going
[1:28:09] home. This will make it impossible
[1:28:15] for those wanting to leave from Oaks at
[1:28:19] Ridge Point subdivision.
[1:28:22] That traffic will not let them out. We
[1:28:27] on Pike know because we cannot get out
[1:28:31] of our own driveways.
[1:28:34] I ask our police chief
[1:28:37] here today. You remember trying to get
[1:28:40] in and out of the old Glenn Estie High
[1:28:43] School in the morning and when school
[1:28:47] let out. A police officer was needed to
[1:28:50] direct traffic and that is what will be
[1:28:53] needed to help those at the Oaks at
[1:28:57] Ridge Point get out of their
[1:29:00] subdivision. A police officer five days
[1:29:04] a week, two times a day. That may be
[1:29:08] what that part of club might need. Might
[1:29:12] be good.
[1:29:14] But with how the police and Union
[1:29:17] Townships budget is stretched as it is,
[1:29:21] we must come up with another answer.
[1:29:25] The only solution for the entrance to
[1:29:28] the oaks at Ridge Point subdivision on
[1:29:31] cloth pipe could only be used as an
[1:29:36] enter only heading to Shaylor Road and
[1:29:41] when leaving the subdivision only
[1:29:43] turning right on Clough Pike heading
[1:29:47] toward Shaylor Road. The real answer is
[1:29:52] to put an entrance
[1:29:58] to the subdivision on Shaylor Road.
[1:30:02] The developer had concerns about the
[1:30:05] creek at the zoning meeting. Upon
[1:30:10] observation
[1:30:12] and Apple Maps, there is enough land to
[1:30:17] make the needed entrance for the
[1:30:20] subdivision. An estimated 500 ft before
[1:30:25] the creek. More than enough needed. This
[1:30:29] is the best time to tell the developer
[1:30:33] that they must put the main entrance to
[1:30:36] the Oaks at Ridge Point subdivision
[1:30:41] there because they will have to pay for
[1:30:44] it now and Union Township will not have
[1:30:48] to pay for the mistake later.
[1:30:52] Just think
[1:30:55] 58 homes, mom and dad have cars.
[1:31:00] One car for the children. That's
[1:31:04] 180 cars trying to get out on pipe in
[1:31:08] the morning going to work and school.
[1:31:11] The traffic will not let them out
[1:31:15] because they've got to be someplace as
[1:31:18] well.
[1:31:19] So that's
[1:31:21] 180 cars backed up in the new
[1:31:24] subdivision that was not planned well.
[1:31:29] The developer wants to change R1 to R4.
[1:31:33] The Woodmont subdivision that will be
[1:31:36] behind it, including Ridge Point Drive,
[1:31:39] is R2.
[1:31:42] Why not change R1 to R2 and not R4?
[1:31:49] Mr. Trustees, before we leave here
[1:31:52] today,
[1:31:54] I would like to uh
[1:31:57] end just a few concerns of those about
[1:32:01] Bluff Pike. They would like to see, this
[1:32:04] is my constituents that have gotten with
[1:32:06] me, and they would like to see a right
[1:32:10] turn on the red light as a three-way
[1:32:14] light
[1:32:16] uh at McMahon and CL. They would like to
[1:32:19] see no turn on red. That would give the
[1:32:23] subdivision a chance to get out
[1:32:27] and uh that would cut down on the road
[1:32:30] rage.
[1:32:32] There's quite a bit of road rage there.
[1:32:34] Uh the cars when they try to get out of
[1:32:37] their subdivision there, cars are upset
[1:32:40] and they ride their bumper and they toot
[1:32:45] all the way down.
[1:32:47] Another thing would be great is to
[1:32:50] change the speed limit from 40 miles
[1:32:53] hour to 25 or 30 miles per hour in that
[1:32:58] stretch from light to light. I hope I've
[1:33:02] presented all of my constituents
[1:33:04] concerns of voting prect well. We want
[1:33:08] to work with the trustees and the
[1:33:10] developer on this project. We feel that
[1:33:14] the matters that we have put before you
[1:33:18] are not out of this world and can be
[1:33:21] done where all can be happy. President
[1:33:25] Ronald Reagan was once asked about his
[1:33:29] deal making
[1:33:31] and how he went about it. He stated,
[1:33:34] "Both sides must come away feeling they
[1:33:38] came away with something.
[1:33:41] If only one gets everything, then the
[1:33:44] next time you sit down across the table
[1:33:48] with that person, they will remember."
[1:33:54] And uh, Mr. Trustees, before you cast
[1:33:57] your vote on changing the zoning from R1
[1:34:00] to R4, I'd like to speak for 30 seconds
[1:34:04] before you cast that vote.
[1:34:08] >> Uh, that's not really how it works
[1:34:10] though, Mr. So this mean meaning this is
[1:34:13] your time to talk right now. I call up
[1:34:15] other people. Uh so it all comes down to
[1:34:19] safety for our community and for our new
[1:34:22] neighbors that will arrive when the oaks
[1:34:25] at Ridge Point subdivision is completed.
[1:34:28] That's all we want from our trustees and
[1:34:31] the developer. If both parties will not
[1:34:34] work with us to achieve these goals,
[1:34:38] which I know our trustees are wanting to
[1:34:41] work with us, and the trustees okay to
[1:34:44] the zoning change from R1 to R4,
[1:34:48] then we
[1:34:52] do
[1:34:53] have uh uh then we must do as the law
[1:34:58] permits. that we have been working on
[1:35:02] as a group in precinct T is called a
[1:35:06] zoning referendum.
[1:35:09] Once we have our needed signatures on a
[1:35:12] petition, the matter of keeping the
[1:35:15] properties at R1 or R4 will be voted on
[1:35:20] the 20 26 November election and be voted
[1:35:25] on by the people.
[1:35:28] So
[1:35:30] that
[1:35:32] will hold up your ground baking
[1:35:37] development
[1:35:39] not happen.
[1:35:42] >> Thank you. Mr. Muse,
[1:35:44] Mr. Flouty, can you throw up a a good
[1:35:46] overview picture so I can see the uh
[1:35:50] houses, you know, on on either side and
[1:35:52] then also the roads it's on.
[1:35:53] >> Yeah. You want a little wider one? I I
[1:35:55] just have a feeling we're going to be
[1:35:56] referencing uh the map quite a bit.
[1:36:01] >> You you had one in your presentation
[1:36:02] that was good.
[1:36:11] » Um
[1:36:14] » yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that one's fine. Can you maybe just Yeah, that's fine.
[1:36:18] That's fine. Okay, perfect.
[1:36:20] Okay. Uh All right.
[1:36:22] Uh, is there anyone else that'd like to
[1:36:24] talk on this project? Yes, sir. I see
[1:36:25] you in the back. Come on up, sir.
[1:36:34] All right.
[1:36:35] >> No problem. Yeah, you're okay. And then
[1:36:38] just raise your right hand. And sir, do
[1:36:40] you swear to tell the truth, the whole
[1:36:41] truth, and they both the truth? So hopey
[1:36:42] God.
[1:36:42] >> I do.
[1:36:43] >> Great. And then just state your name and
[1:36:44] address for the record.
[1:36:45] >> My name is Scott Shean. My address is
[1:36:48] 1069 Ridge Point Drive in Betavia.
[1:36:53] >> Go ahead.
[1:36:53] >> Yeah.
[1:36:54] >> Good evening, gentlemen. Lisa,
[1:36:57] >> um,
[1:36:59] starting off, I hate I hate to just be
[1:37:01] an opponent for everything. I I was
[1:37:04] against the uh the new subdivision going
[1:37:08] through to Ridge Point. So, accolades
[1:37:11] for the the solution of of having a
[1:37:14] culde-sac. I think that solves uh at
[1:37:17] least one of my concerns. So that that's
[1:37:20] on a positive note. Thank you. Um
[1:37:23] concerns that I have uh are several. Um
[1:37:27] if we can we is there another
[1:37:32] >> Let me shoot this up to you guys and you
[1:37:34] can pass. Can I bring approach
[1:37:36] >> this one? This one
[1:37:37] >> the table.
[1:37:38] >> Yeah. Cool.
[1:37:46] That's okay. Craig, give me a give me a
[1:37:48] better picture than that.
[1:37:50] >> The the one Yeah, was fine.
[1:37:52] >> I just want to be able to reference it.
[1:37:55] >> That's perfect. Yeah. Okay.
[1:37:57] >> All right. The first the first thing I I
[1:37:59] would want to talk about is the
[1:38:02] um
[1:38:05] in the culde-sac having the seven seven
[1:38:07] times. Um, couple things come to mind
[1:38:11] here. Uh, the first one is and and my my
[1:38:15] house is uh next to lot 52. I don't know
[1:38:20] whether it's that's my house right
[1:38:23] there. And lot 52 is right here. Lot 52
[1:38:27] is uh one of the smaller lots. It's got
[1:38:30] a 58 foot frontage. uh according to the
[1:38:34] uh design requirements, you have to have
[1:38:37] five feet on each side of the of the
[1:38:39] home, which means it's a 48
[1:38:42] uh it's 48 ft wide maximum. Um and and
[1:38:48] uh if you look at the uh geology and the
[1:38:52] topography of the of the land, the the
[1:38:56] water from this area here flows down
[1:38:59] this way toward where you have a a
[1:39:02] retention pond slammed and um it the
[1:39:06] creek starts probably just to the back
[1:39:10] of my house uh on on the on the edge of
[1:39:13] the property. Uh, in fact, I would say a
[1:39:17] little bit on on my property and and
[1:39:20] maybe 10 or 15 feet into lot 52. And it
[1:39:24] comes down as kind of a wedge that uh
[1:39:27] culminates uh maybe 40 feet behind uh my
[1:39:32] house in a in the beginning of a creek.
[1:39:35] And my concern is is if you look at the
[1:39:38] topography of the land, it it all slopes
[1:39:41] on 52 from the CF site
[1:39:44] uh down toward my property. And I don't
[1:39:47] know how you would ever build uh a
[1:39:49] foundation to a house uh without pushing
[1:39:53] the dirt around in in a manner that
[1:39:55] would move the water towards my house
[1:39:59] and my property. So that is that is a a
[1:40:02] major concern
[1:40:04] uh of a of water issue. You can't walk
[1:40:07] through that area without waiters. Even when it's uh even when it's dry out
[1:40:13] uh as you get down it uh further down
[1:40:17] from my house, you do need
[1:40:20] >> heavy galashes to walk through that
[1:40:22] area. Um, the other concern I have is
[1:40:26] you do have seven homes in that area in that uh culde-sac. We have covenants
[1:40:32] that we had to sign uh uh in order to
[1:40:35] get title to the to our property.
[1:40:37] Everyone on Ridge Point, whether they
[1:40:40] live up to them or not, had to had to
[1:40:43] sign uh that uh the covenants as as part
[1:40:47] of the neighborhood
[1:40:48] >> for the HOA,
[1:40:49] >> please.
[1:40:49] >> For for the HOA, is there an HOA in your
[1:40:51] neighborhood?
[1:40:52] >> There there there is no formal HOA.
[1:40:56] >> So that and that whole thing needs to be
[1:40:59] rationalized and and normalized because
[1:41:01] you're going to be adding seven houses
[1:41:03] into an area that has defined covenants
[1:41:06] that that uh someone could legally take
[1:41:09] uh a neighbor to task on it because they
[1:41:12] signed off on it. And and then and then
[1:41:15] the the uh
[1:41:17] >> my neighborhood's like that. There there
[1:41:19] are things such as what even what fences
[1:41:23] can be used in that HOA in I'm sorry in
[1:41:26] the covenants and and normalizing those
[1:41:29] is is really important otherwise it's
[1:41:31] going to be real messy going down the
[1:41:33] road. Um,
[1:41:37] the
[1:41:40] last item is and and you can see it
[1:41:43] better on the thing that I passed out
[1:41:45] there is my driveway is is on the side
[1:41:48] right toward uh lot 52.
[1:41:51] I for the life of me I don't know how
[1:41:53] you would build that culde-sac or or
[1:41:56] anything without blocking my blocking me
[1:41:58] and and I'd like to understand how you
[1:42:01] would manage that because uh um you know
[1:42:06] I I can move my car down a little bit uh
[1:42:09] but I'm I'm not 40 years old. It could
[1:42:12] be that I need a life squad. the people
[1:42:14] next to us uh uh have had the life squad
[1:42:18] at their house several times and and uh
[1:42:22] we we just can't block off that end of
[1:42:24] the street while things are being built.
[1:42:26] There could be and let me let me propose
[1:42:28] a suggestion, you know, instead of
[1:42:30] everything just being uh what you can't
[1:42:34] do. Um the culde-sac could be designed
[1:42:37] and pro the preliminary design and built
[1:42:40] coming in off of Kluff. Um lay it all
[1:42:43] out and then when you finally get it all
[1:42:46] laid out uh then you know before you put
[1:42:49] the the the curb and the the final
[1:42:52] street in that's when you switch it back
[1:42:55] to Ridge Point and and and manage it uh
[1:42:59] manage it properly. I think I think
[1:43:01] that's a a way to do that with
[1:43:03] minimizing the the the pain and agony to the three or four houses down at the
[1:43:10] end of the street. So, that's that's
[1:43:12] kind of uh where I'm at. My concern is the water
[1:43:18] uh how you would manage that water with
[1:43:19] a 48 foot frontage on on a house with
[1:43:22] five feet on either side in the in the
[1:43:25] midst of of uh the beginning of a a
[1:43:28] creek.
[1:43:29] um the covenants and uh my driveway.
[1:43:33] That's that's it. Anyone have any
[1:43:35] questions?
[1:43:36] >> Mr. Sheman. She right.
[1:43:37] >> She
[1:43:39] sir vice chairman. Any questions?
[1:43:41] >> No.
[1:43:42] >> Mr. Lug?
[1:43:43] >> Uh not currently.
[1:43:45] >> She miss Sheman. By the way, by the way,
[1:43:47] >> please. [clears throat]
[1:43:48] >> I I [snorts] want to commend you because
[1:43:52] not I don't want to say all the time.
[1:43:53] That's a blanket statement. But [snorts]
[1:43:57] more often than not, typically residents
[1:44:00] will come up no no no no. Right. And and
[1:44:05] you have come up here with a positive
[1:44:07] attitude with uh other concessions and also um you know solutions. And so I
[1:44:14] wrote everything you just said down. And
[1:44:16] so I just wanted to say appreciate that.
[1:44:18] Um because I am I'm I'm a pro liberty
[1:44:23] kind of guy. I mean, if it's your land,
[1:44:24] do whatever you want. You want to sell
[1:44:25] it, sell it. You want to develop it, As long as it meets, you
[1:44:28] know, the the township rules. And so, uh
[1:44:30] I just appreciate you you doing that. By
[1:44:32] the way, um can can I can I keep this
[1:44:34] for the time being, please?
[1:44:35] >> Sure. I've got it on my computer.
[1:44:37] >> And then developers, whoever's going to
[1:44:38] talk, y'all need to plan because he's
[1:44:40] 100% right. I'm looking at this and I'm
[1:44:42] looking also at lot number 58 across the
[1:44:44] street from you, which would be category
[1:44:46] to your left. Um, I I need to hear a
[1:44:49] plan and what you plan on doing because
[1:44:51] I will not have this man be
[1:44:52] inconvenienced whatsoever. Um, I need to
[1:44:54] make sure that's crystal clear and
[1:44:55] addressed and for the the lot across the
[1:44:57] street from him. Um, and and and uh the
[1:45:00] reason why you do R4 is so you can not
[1:45:03] have every lot size the same size
[1:45:05] because that makes things difficult. So
[1:45:06] R4 is actually a good thing when it's
[1:45:08] used properly. And I think these
[1:45:10] builders are trying to do it properly.
[1:45:11] However,
[1:45:13] that is a small lot size and I do not
[1:45:16] want dirt or water or you to be or your
[1:45:18] driveway to be blocked at all. Period.
[1:45:20] So, I have your back on that 100%. I
[1:45:22] know these two guys will as well. So,
[1:45:23] I'm just speaking on their behalf right
[1:45:24] now. For what it's worth, thank you for
[1:45:26] pointing that out. So, I appreciate that
[1:45:27] and um and that'll give these guys some
[1:45:30] times to prep for a response to that
[1:45:31] because we're not going to allow that.
[1:45:33] I'm not gonna allow that. So, for what
[1:45:34] it's worth, thank you for your time. So,
[1:45:35] thank you, Mr. Appreciate it very much.
[1:45:36] Thank you.
[1:45:37] >> The uh Okay. Uh, anyone else that is a
[1:45:41] uh uh what's the word? Not proponent.
[1:45:44] Uh, against this against this opponent.
[1:45:46] Geez, what is wrong with me? The
[1:45:48] opponent of this case, please.
[1:45:50] >> All right. All right. Will you please
[1:45:52] raise your right hand? Do you swear to
[1:45:53] tell truth, the whole truth, nothing but
[1:45:55] the truth. So, bey God.
[1:45:56] >> Great. Uh, name and address for the
[1:45:57] record, miss.
[1:45:58] >> My name is Susan Dudak, and I live at
[1:45:59] 1087 Gwood Drive. C,
[1:46:01] >> can you say your name one more time?
[1:46:03] >> Susan Dudak.
[1:46:04] >> Dudak. Okay. Susan. Okay. So, a lot of
[1:46:07] us here were at the uh previous zoning
[1:46:10] um meeting where this was all discussed
[1:46:13] and oftent times the question came up,
[1:46:16] what is the difference between R1 and
[1:46:18] R4? It's it's it's hard for most
[1:46:20] homeowners to understand that and most
[1:46:21] don't. Um and we come to those meetings
[1:46:25] so we can get facts. That's what we
[1:46:26] count on you guys for. So, I can tell
[1:46:29] you that the um description of R1 versus
[1:46:32] R4 that was given by the zoning
[1:46:34] commission was extremely misleading and
[1:46:38] highly biased. Okay? And let me give you
[1:46:41] an example of what they said. In R1,
[1:46:44] typically the houses would be on cookie
[1:46:46] cutter halfacre lots. Now, every time
[1:46:49] they spoke about R1, they use the word
[1:46:51] cookie cutter. But with R4, we are
[1:46:54] allowed to vary the size and shape of
[1:46:56] these lots. Some can be smaller, some
[1:46:57] can be larger, there can be fluctuation,
[1:47:00] there can be diversification rather than
[1:47:02] just this cutout subdivision that we
[1:47:04] used to see all the time. Um, in an R1
[1:47:08] traditional neighborhood, the lots are
[1:47:10] cookie cutter and variable means the
[1:47:12] lots can fluctuate in size. Now, our one
[1:47:16] neighborhood, example, Shante Clear
[1:47:18] Woods, Crystal Creek, drive into one of
[1:47:21] those neighborhoods, do you see cookie
[1:47:22] cutter? Do you see unvaried lot sizes?
[1:47:25] It has nothing to do with that. Um, you
[1:47:29] want to see cookie cutter, drive into an
[1:47:31] R4 neighborhood, drive into Weatherbe
[1:47:33] Farms, drive into um Magnolia Trace,
[1:47:38] nice houses, but boom boom boom lots.
[1:47:41] So, the um zoning commission said they said specifically, we are trying to
[1:47:48] encourage our force.
[1:47:51] They kept referring to the Horizon 2 TW
[1:47:53] uh 2030 as backing up this um ability to
[1:47:57] build our force. And let me read you
[1:48:00] from that report because I'm sure that
[1:48:02] most people don't even know it exists,
[1:48:04] let alone have read it. So there is a
[1:48:06] section in there called land use
[1:48:08] recommendations residential development.
[1:48:10] And the report specifically says, "This
[1:48:13] comprehensive land use planning document
[1:48:16] shall continue to recommend single
[1:48:19] family large lot residential development
[1:48:22] as the guiding principle for new family
[1:48:24] development throughout the majority of
[1:48:26] Union Township. Now, it goes on to talk
[1:48:29] about little pockets where there might
[1:48:31] be the possibility that higher densers
[1:48:33] might be appropriate, but this is not
[1:48:36] one of those pockets. And even in the
[1:48:39] documentation that I received here today
[1:48:43] um where the zoning commission is saying
[1:48:44] further adjacent land uses use use
[1:48:48] characteristics nearly mirror the
[1:48:50] proposed development plan. Well
[1:48:55] take a look at the township zoning map.
[1:48:58] What do you see? You see yellow and
[1:49:00] yellow outside of the development for
[1:49:03] businesses R1 and R2. There are very few R4s here. I mean it's so that's
[1:49:10] not true. Uh their description of our
[1:49:13] winner, they're clearly biased. So who
[1:49:16] here is to stand up for us? Because
[1:49:19] that's not what the community wants. Um
[1:49:23] so that's my first comment. Okay. My
[1:49:26] second thing, I'm a real estate agent.
[1:49:28] So when I heard when I hear about a new
[1:49:30] builder that I've never heard of before,
[1:49:32] I'm I'm going to do my homework. So, at
[1:49:35] the last zoning meeting, they said that
[1:49:37] the price range for this neighborhood
[1:49:39] was going to be in the $600,000 plus
[1:49:41] price range. I see they've ded that
[1:49:44] down. So, did anybody ask, does Arbor
[1:49:47] Homes build $600,000 houses, let alone
[1:49:51] $600,000 neighborhoods? So, I started
[1:49:54] with AI, Google, you know, because
[1:49:56] that's where you start, right? I said,
[1:49:58] "What kind of homes does Arbor Homes
[1:50:00] build?" And it came back. Arbor Homes
[1:50:03] builds affordable stickuilt single
[1:50:05] family ranch and two-story houses
[1:50:08] featuring open concept layouts tailored
[1:50:11] for firsttime buyers and growing
[1:50:13] families. Their properties range from
[1:50:15] budget friendly starter options to
[1:50:18] larger plans with semicustom structural
[1:50:20] choices. I'm like, okay, that doesn't
[1:50:23] sound real. So, I I got more specific. I
[1:50:26] said, does Arbor Homes build $600,000
[1:50:29] plus houses? And the answer came back,
[1:50:32] no. Arbor Homes does not build houses
[1:50:35] priced above 600,000. Their business
[1:50:37] model focuses exclusively on affordable
[1:50:40] entrylevel and mid-range production
[1:50:43] houses, maxing out well below that
[1:50:46] threshold.
[1:50:47] Talks about their target demographics.
[1:50:49] Arbor Homes intentionally develops an
[1:50:52] outer suburban rings where land costs
[1:50:54] are lower, utilizing tax incentives to
[1:50:57] specifically keep homes attainable for
[1:51:00] firsttime or moving up buyers.
[1:51:04] So now I'm getting a little concerned.
[1:51:06] So like let's go to their website,
[1:51:07] right? What what does their website say?
[1:51:09] So, if you go to their website and you
[1:51:11] look at their mission statement on their
[1:51:13] website, this is their mission statement
[1:51:16] to increase home ownership for those
[1:51:18] that didn't think they could afford it.
[1:51:21] Now, I'm getting kind of worried about
[1:51:23] this subdivision. So, I thought, okay,
[1:51:25] let's let's let's take a look at where
[1:51:28] they are in Ohio and what have they what
[1:51:30] have they done or they built? So, they
[1:51:32] are building in about 20 neighborhoods
[1:51:36] uh in Ohio so far. And it really is
[1:51:38] true. They're in very outer suburban
[1:51:40] rings. They're in places like Washington
[1:51:42] Courthouse,
[1:51:43] uh, Plain City, Lethopoulos, Belf
[1:51:47] Fontaine, Vandelia, Tip City, Peekqua,
[1:51:51] New Carile. Okay. Um, and then I looked
[1:51:54] at, and this is all information from
[1:51:56] their website. I looked at what are the
[1:51:58] starting prices in these neighborhoods.
[1:52:01] Here they are. 250, 370, 240, 230, 260,
[1:52:06] 320, 240, 230, 240, 280, 270, 350, 270,
[1:52:12] 330, 280, 300, 270.
[1:52:16] Now, in none of these neighborhoods are
[1:52:19] you going to be able to build a $600,000
[1:52:21] house because you're not going to you're
[1:52:23] not going to start at 300 and put
[1:52:24] $300,000 into upgrades. I mean, that just doesn't happen. So I said,
[1:52:29] "Okay, well, you know, they're
[1:52:30] headquartered in Indianapolis. So let me
[1:52:32] look at what they're building in
[1:52:33] Indianapolis." So they have 31 home
[1:52:36] sites in Indianapolis and only two of
[1:52:39] them start above 300,000. One at 300,000
[1:52:43] and one at 350. They have nine home
[1:52:46] sites in Louisville. None of those home
[1:52:48] sites start above 300,000.
[1:52:52] So
[1:52:53] >> Okay. Can I ask you a question without
[1:52:54] interrupting you?
[1:52:55] >> Yeah.
[1:52:56] I don't if you ever shop for a new home
[1:52:58] like a to build from scratch. So if you
[1:53:01] ever This goes back to a uh Mr. Flouty
[1:53:04] issue because you know all those garbage
[1:53:06] signs that those home builders put up at
[1:53:07] all the corners of busy intersections
[1:53:10] and you see the illegal signs that are
[1:53:12] removed in his report. A lot of those
[1:53:13] are like those home builders, right?
[1:53:15] Which we hate. We all hate. Uh but it'll
[1:53:17] say homes starting at 300,000. Well,
[1:53:19] that's literally like a a bare bones
[1:53:21] home. But once you add the countertops,
[1:53:24] the special floors, the special, you
[1:53:26] know, finished basement or whatever,
[1:53:27] then the price ticks up to four, five,
[1:53:29] 600,000. So Mike, I'm not I'm just
[1:53:31] asking you that question. Is is is it
[1:53:33] say starting at bu building or are these
[1:53:35] homes currently built and they've been
[1:53:36] on the market and I'm just curious for
[1:53:38] that because you know, is it the starter
[1:53:40] package?
[1:53:41] >> Well, I looked into these neighborhoods
[1:53:42] and the homes were priced around that.
[1:53:44] Now, even if you get into a $300,000
[1:53:47] neighborhood, there's no way you're
[1:53:49] going to put $300,000 in upgrades into
[1:53:51] that house. True. It just doesn't
[1:53:54] happen. And one of the ways that
[1:53:55] builders keep their prices low is they
[1:53:58] use standardized flow plans. They have
[1:54:02] volume discounts that they get from
[1:54:03] their contractors and their providers so
[1:54:05] that their quality is pretty much all
[1:54:07] the same. That's how they make their
[1:54:09] dollar here. So, it's extremely
[1:54:14] far-fetched for me to think that this is
[1:54:15] going to be a $500,000 neighborhood. And
[1:54:18] then on top of that, they want tiny
[1:54:20] little lots that are not um like
[1:54:24] anything else that's around it. I've got
[1:54:26] a real concern now. Is this the kind of
[1:54:28] neighborhood that's going to add value
[1:54:30] to this area? And and and how do you
[1:54:33] guarantee that?
[1:54:36] Is is is that really your question to
[1:54:39] us?
[1:54:40] >> Yeah.
[1:54:40] >> To to require the board to
[1:54:43] require a higher value
[1:54:46] >> well higher dollar builder to build
[1:54:48] here. I just want to make sure I get the
[1:54:50] question.
[1:54:51] >> We all want a neighborhood that adds to
[1:54:53] the value of the community and not
[1:54:55] detracts from it. And so from what I'm
[1:54:58] hearing so far, I'm not seeing this
[1:55:02] >> proposal as the type that is going to
[1:55:04] add to this community. So I'm very
[1:55:07] concerned and I think you should be very
[1:55:09] concerned as well. And I know that's why
[1:55:11] we're all here.
[1:55:12] >> Right. Got it. Right.
[1:55:13] >> So we're not opposed to building a
[1:55:14] subdivision there. Right.
[1:55:16] >> But let's make it the right one. And I
[1:55:18] mean it starts with you and you
[1:55:19] approving R1 to R4. That's a big step
[1:55:22] here that that just isn't reflective of
[1:55:24] the community.
[1:55:27] So, I would like you to ask you to take
[1:55:29] that into consideration
[1:55:31] and then
[1:55:31] >> and I would speak on the uh Kluff Pike
[1:55:33] thing, but I think you have enough
[1:55:35] information on that.
[1:55:36] >> The uh and I don't want to interrupt you
[1:55:38] again. I'm sorry. Sorry. Are you
[1:55:40] finished? Okay. Are are you finished or
[1:55:41] No. Um, I just want to say that with the with the cluff um, entrance
[1:55:46] kind of thing,
[1:55:49] >> I think Union Township is getting a
[1:55:50] reputation for letting builders come in,
[1:55:53] build whatever they want, forget about
[1:55:55] what impact it has on the surrounding
[1:55:57] areas. And of course, when you bring
[1:55:59] that up with the zoning commission, you
[1:56:00] know what they say? Oh, not our problem.
[1:56:01] That's a Clare that's a Claremont County
[1:56:03] thing. But it is their problem and it is
[1:56:06] your problem because you are approving
[1:56:07] these subdivisions. So, you have a great
[1:56:10] opportunity in this this instance to ask
[1:56:14] the builder to step up. It's going to
[1:56:15] cost him a little bit more money. That's
[1:56:17] why he doesn't want to move the the
[1:56:19] entrance to Shaylor, but it's going to
[1:56:20] cost us a lot less money in the long
[1:56:23] run. So, you can do that. You can say,
[1:56:25] "Hey, Mr. Builder, go back and change
[1:56:27] that entrance, you know, and make the
[1:56:30] builder, when possible, step up and take
[1:56:32] a little bit of responsibility for the
[1:56:34] impact, the negative impact that he is
[1:56:36] having on the community. Let's have builders that do that.
[1:56:42] >> The um
[1:56:44] Are you finished?
[1:56:45] >> I'm finished.
[1:56:45] >> Okay, interrupt you. I'm sorry. So, um
[1:56:48] >> by the way, uh you don't think about
[1:56:50] things until they're brought up, right?
[1:56:52] So, this board had no idea. We just
[1:56:54] didn't think about it. For example, uh
[1:56:55] do you remember when we voted on the
[1:56:57] truck weight and you couldn't have a
[1:56:59] commercial vehicle
[1:57:00] >> in your parking driveway?
[1:57:02] >> Silliest.
[1:57:04] And I'm using I'm and I'm using uh imag
[1:57:08] like to use a different word, but I'm
[1:57:09] saying silliest rule that we had in the
[1:57:12] township.
[1:57:13] >> You have a minivan legal. You slap a
[1:57:16] company sticker on the side of it.
[1:57:18] Illegal. You couldn't park in your
[1:57:19] driveway. And I'm like, what? Are you
[1:57:22] kidding me? And so we we changed that
[1:57:24] rule to where, hey, if you want to start
[1:57:26] your own company and have a pickup truck
[1:57:27] and now you want to start your own
[1:57:28] plumbing company, slap your logo on it,
[1:57:29] you should be allowed to do that. Now,
[1:57:31] can you have dump trucks and
[1:57:32] semi-truckss parked in your drive? No.
[1:57:34] Uh, but we didn't know that till it was
[1:57:36] brought to our attention and we
[1:57:37] immediately as this board rectify it
[1:57:38] changed it so there we allow folks to
[1:57:40] have more liberty and freedom to start
[1:57:41] their own company or whatever, right?
[1:57:42] Um, but we didn't know that till brought
[1:57:44] to our attention. Um, so I did not know
[1:57:46] that folks thought the the the wording
[1:57:49] and the explanation of R1 to R2 to R3 to
[1:57:51] R4 um was trickery or plain favorites at
[1:57:54] all. I don't I don't want that. So, uh,
[1:57:57] this Mr. Flowy's lane. So, Mr. Flouty,
[1:57:59] can you can you make a note? Let's let's
[1:58:01] try to bring it up to to look at that of
[1:58:04] the wording of the differences between
[1:58:06] R1 to R4 and and make sure it's
[1:58:08] clear-cut and I don't want it to seem
[1:58:10] biased whatsoever. Let's just let's just
[1:58:11] check check it out and look at it if
[1:58:13] that's okay. And then I'll tell you this
[1:58:15] uh M Dubac Mr. Becker voted no on it.
[1:58:19] Mr. Flo voted yes on a uh a housing
[1:58:22] development project. And uh it's uh it
[1:58:26] was funny because those houses were 5 to
[1:58:28] 600,000 and it was from a different
[1:58:30] builder and they they they are they have
[1:58:32] um continuity. They have history of
[1:58:34] building 5 to600,000 homes. Him and I
[1:58:38] got chastised because wait hold on we
[1:58:40] can't. They're like this community
[1:58:41] doesn't want 500 to $600,000 homes. We
[1:58:43] want more affordable homes like two to
[1:58:45] 400,000. We we got ri ripped for this
[1:58:48] and we're like okay. And then [laughter]
[1:58:50] now and so and so and so uh and so you
[1:58:54] know if it is 350 so the the argument we
[1:58:57] heard the la the last this couple months
[1:58:58] ago was guys this is Union Township.
[1:59:01] This isn't Indian Hill or Terrace Park.
[1:59:02] We don't want $600,000 homes. We're like
[1:59:05] okay and then now and now you're you're
[1:59:07] saying see so you know you know it's you
[1:59:08] know what's tough and I I get it. This
[1:59:09] is what we signed up for. It's tough
[1:59:11] because we made that decision. And you
[1:59:13] might have liked that decision because
[1:59:15] those homes are going to be half a
[1:59:16] million dollar plus and and
[1:59:18] hypothetically if these homes are not
[1:59:21] 600,000 they are more 350 to 550 that's
[1:59:24] going to make you unhappy and so it's
[1:59:26] like geez no matter what we do I mean I
[1:59:29] don't know that they're going to be 550.
[1:59:31] So they referenced Magnolia Trace which
[1:59:33] is right down the street right
[1:59:35] >> now Magnolia Trace has not been able to
[1:59:37] sell new construction over 600. Okay.
[1:59:40] There's one house, I think, out of 60
[1:59:42] that sold over 600. Now, this is Dre and
[1:59:46] Brookstone Homes. Brookstone,
[1:59:48] >> they build half a million dollar houses.
[1:59:50] They build million-doll houses in
[1:59:52] million-doll neighborhoods. They have a
[1:59:54] background and they have an
[1:59:56] infrastructure to support that. They
[1:59:59] can't even build that high a level of
[2:00:01] house. How is somebody like Arbor
[2:00:03] Holmes, who doesn't have any
[2:00:04] infrastructure to support that, who's
[2:00:06] never done it before, how are they going
[2:00:08] to do it? So, I question I know there's
[2:00:10] not much you can do about the quality,
[2:00:12] but you can do something about the
[2:00:14] zoning. Make the lots larger, you know?
[2:00:17] I mean, what's wrong with minimum
[2:00:19] setbacks? You can't The only thing wrong
[2:00:21] with it is you can't stuff as many
[2:00:23] houses in there.
[2:00:24] >> Yeah,
[2:00:25] >> that's it.
[2:00:26] >> The uh I understand the uh you you you
[2:00:28] made one comment about I wrote it down
[2:00:31] about some of the tax incentives. Um I I
[2:00:33] don't know why I don't get on Next Door
[2:00:35] at all. Uh but but uh folks tell me
[2:00:38] about it and people will say, "Oh,
[2:00:40] another tax incentive. Another tax
[2:00:41] incentive." We have never given out a
[2:00:44] tax incentive um uh to home builders or
[2:00:48] businesses. Uh that's just not something
[2:00:49] that we do. But for some people have in their brain that that's
[2:00:52] happened. These folks are not getting
[2:00:54] any incentive from us. I know that. So
[2:00:55] just so you know. So
[2:00:56] >> yeah, I understand that. But you do give
[2:00:58] out tiffs. You give out tiffs to
[2:00:59] apartment buildings and all sorts of
[2:01:01] stuff like that,
[2:01:02] >> which which uh conversation for a
[2:01:04] different day. And and I'll tell you
[2:01:06] that that it keeps the money in house so
[2:01:08] it doesn't have to go outside the
[2:01:10] township
[2:01:10] >> but it keeps that away from people like
[2:01:12] that.
[2:01:14] >> You wouldn't believe it or not. That's
[2:01:15] exactly how they've survived subsidizes
[2:01:17] the
[2:01:18] >> have kept those alive have kept them
[2:01:20] alive.
[2:01:20] >> The tiff cannot cannot can go to the
[2:01:23] physical building but it can't be used
[2:01:25] for salary.
[2:01:28] So let's let Mr. Wright but that's
[2:01:30] another
[2:01:32] [laughter] fair. Fair time and and the
[2:01:35] record of multif family
[2:01:36] >> time out. So So a tiff just
[2:01:38] [clears throat] 30 second elevator.
[2:01:39] >> 30 second ele Okay. The tiff freezes the
[2:01:41] property value at the base prior to the
[2:01:43] improvement. All the improvement goes
[2:01:45] into it's basically a separate pile
[2:01:47] instead of the pie being split up 50
[2:01:49] different ways. It gets it all comes to
[2:01:51] the township. We have obligations to
[2:01:53] either make the schools whole or provide
[2:01:55] alternative compensation depending on
[2:01:57] what they want. We do both. Aside from
[2:02:00] that, we have the ability to deploy the
[2:02:03] TIFF revenues specifically in support of
[2:02:06] safety services. And my May 26 work
[2:02:09] session presentation demonstrated that
[2:02:12] we provide more than three million, was
[2:02:15] it three million? 3 million annually in
[2:02:19] safety services funding from our tiffs
[2:02:21] throughout the township. And we're
[2:02:23] permitted to do that.
[2:02:24] >> It's our largest expenditure from the
[2:02:26] tiff aside from debt obligations. that
[2:02:29] support things like this building and
[2:02:31] other public projects and our compensate
[2:02:33] compensation to the schools.
[2:02:35] >> Can TIF money be used for policemen or
[2:02:38] firemen salaries?
[2:02:39] >> It they can it's technically they can
[2:02:41] >> Yeah, you can use it for you can you can
[2:02:44] use it for salaries and capital
[2:02:46] indefinitely for police capital
[2:02:47] expenditures. We typically use it for
[2:02:49] capital expenditures to offset the hit
[2:02:52] on their levied funds which are police
[2:02:56] 9, 10, and 20 because with the salaries
[2:03:00] you have to keep track of that and then
[2:03:02] eventually you basically there's some
[2:03:05] you have to basically refund it and then
[2:03:08] it's
[2:03:09] >> because I read that the tiff funds
[2:03:11] cannot be used for those.
[2:03:12] >> You're looking at post 2005 post 2005
[2:03:17] tiffs. So,
[2:03:18] >> those are typically tiffs that are
[2:03:20] adopted. Uh, 57097
[2:03:23] I actually just sent this to somebody.
[2:03:25] 570973
[2:03:28] C tiffs, which are I call them area
[2:03:30] tiffs, not district or parcel tiffs.
[2:03:32] That's what I call them. Partial tiffs
[2:03:34] are specific projects. Area tiffs are
[2:03:37] larger residential uh they're actually
[2:03:39] called residential incentive districts.
[2:03:41] We don't have any post 2006 residential
[2:03:45] incentive district
[2:03:45] >> tiffs. We only have we have 2003s and
[2:03:49] 2005s
[2:03:51] >> and all of those are eligible to fund
[2:03:53] police and fire expenses out of that.
[2:03:55] >> Okay, good.
[2:03:56] >> And then the 570973b
[2:03:59] tiffs which are the commercial tiffs
[2:04:01] which apartments are taxed commercially.
[2:04:04] >> So they pay a higher effective millage
[2:04:06] rate than a residential property does. I
[2:04:08] believe in West Claremont the
[2:04:09] residential effective rate is about 56
[2:04:12] mills and the the commercial rate is 67
[2:04:15] or 68 mills. So commercial properties
[2:04:18] pay a higher effective millage rate. Uh
[2:04:21] for example, I've seen multif family
[2:04:23] values as high as 155 to $156,000
[2:04:29] per door. So a 200 unit apartment
[2:04:32] complex could be appraised as high as
[2:04:34] $30 to $35 million. I think the union
[2:04:37] was generating more than was it more
[2:04:39] than half a million almost 600 700 th000
[2:04:42] don't quote me I got to look it up but
[2:04:44] it's a lot of money and from that 55%
[2:04:47] goes to the schools the township retains
[2:04:50] the other 45% of that
[2:04:51] >> under a typical makehole agreement and
[2:04:55] those are used specifically to backs
[2:04:57] stop safety services and to keep the
[2:05:00] amount and the levy requests lower
[2:05:02] through that economic development
[2:05:04] funding. Well, that's great and thank
[2:05:06] you for that information. And that's the
[2:05:08] kind of information that we look for
[2:05:11] when we come to zoning meetings, when we
[2:05:13] come to this to get the correct
[2:05:15] information. So, thank you for that.
[2:05:17] >> Oh, thank you. Thank you.
[2:05:18] >> And I'm done.
[2:05:18] >> Good. Good job. By the way, the uh um
[2:05:21] Oh, you're good. You're good. The uh
[2:05:22] Okay, it's 8:07. All right. Let me call
[2:05:25] for a quick recess. Uh gentlemen, I'll
[2:05:26] entertain a motion to recess at uh 8:05.
[2:05:30] >> So, second.
[2:05:31] >> Uh any discussion, Mr. Campbell, roll
[2:05:33] call. Mr. Becker.
[2:05:35] >> Yes.
[2:05:35] >> Mr. Lo.
[2:05:36] >> Yes.
[2:05:36] >> Mr. Dills.
[2:05:37] >> Yes.
[2:05:37] >> For recess at 8:05 p.m.
[2:18:37] All right. Uh, Mr. Campbell, I will
[2:18:39] entertain a motion or gentleman
[2:18:40] entertain a motion to exit recess. So
[2:18:44] move
[2:18:46] >> second.
[2:18:46] >> Mr. Camp roll call.
[2:18:50] >> Mr. Becker.
[2:18:52] >> Yes.
[2:18:53] >> Mr. Lo.
[2:18:53] >> Yes.
[2:18:54] >> Mr. Dills.
[2:18:55] >> Yes. We're back in session
[2:18:58] at 8:18 p.m.
[2:19:00] >> Got it. Perfect. Okay. Uh, thank you,
[2:19:03] Miss Dubac. We'll move on. Is there
[2:19:04] anyone else that would like to speak
[2:19:06] that is against uh this this uh
[2:19:08] development? Sir, come on.
[2:19:09] >> And will you please bring your cards up?
[2:19:11] I know I know Mr. Dill said didn't need
[2:19:13] them, but I that helps me because I'm
[2:19:15] trying to keep notes and keep
[2:19:16] >> I apologize. Mr. Campbell needs to write
[2:19:18] down your name and address for the
[2:19:19] record. The cards help him. So, I
[2:19:21] [snorts] I apologize for that. That was
[2:19:23] my mistake. And the reason we do that is
[2:19:24] if there's followup or something, we
[2:19:26] need to get back with you. We got your
[2:19:28] name and number. Thank you.
[2:19:29] >> Please accept my apology wrong.
[2:19:31] >> No, thank you. No, thank you.
[2:19:33] >> All right. Do you swear to tell the
[2:19:34] truth, the whole truth, and the truth?
[2:19:36] Hope you got it.
[2:19:36] >> I do.
[2:19:37] >> Say your name and address.
[2:19:39] >> My name is Alex Lambro. I live at 1069
[2:19:42] Club Pipe.
[2:19:44] I'm the only resident on Club Pipe that
[2:19:47] didn't get a notice
[2:19:50] on this development. It doesn't
[2:19:51] [clears throat] matter because I got
[2:19:53] enough information.
[2:19:56] I [snorts] recognize the reality
[2:19:58] that people have the rights to develop
[2:20:01] the properties. However, when they
[2:20:04] purchase the property, regardless of how
[2:20:07] they obtained it,
[2:20:11] they they knew it was an R1 property.
[2:20:15] They're asking for an R4, which is
[2:20:18] legally their rights.
[2:20:21] But how it was done is what concerns me.
[2:20:26] [snorts]
[2:20:26] Notifications were sent out. Some people
[2:20:29] got it, some people didn't.
[2:20:32] The association didn't get it
[2:20:36] on the development.
[2:20:40] And when they made the presentation last
[2:20:42] month,
[2:20:44] they had none of this information.
[2:20:48] Different designs, different completely.
[2:20:52] They put the notices out.
[2:20:55] Did everybody get them? I didn't.
[2:20:59] Did they put signs out? They put one
[2:21:02] sign out in the woods
[2:21:06] in the subdivision. Nothing on Club.
[2:21:12] Nothing on Saber.
[2:21:15] How will people know what's going on
[2:21:20] if they didn't notify the people?
[2:21:23] And when we attended the meeting, the
[2:21:26] zoning meeting, the people were pretty
[2:21:29] nice. The whole board sympathetic,
[2:21:33] but whatever the citizens brought up,
[2:21:38] you don't get to see it. No record
[2:21:41] whatsoever.
[2:21:45] Now today we're coming over brand new
[2:21:49] designs
[2:21:53] brand new everything. We don't know
[2:21:55] nothing.
[2:21:58] How can we come up here
[2:22:01] and ask for something when we don't
[2:22:03] know? It was never presented to the
[2:22:06] people.
[2:22:09] And if you look at your own forms, we
[2:22:12] all took an oath at one time and another
[2:22:15] to serve and protect.
[2:22:18] We're serving the public. The public
[2:22:21] don't know what R1 is, M1,
[2:22:26] whatever.
[2:22:28] They don't know what it is, what the
[2:22:30] rules are.
[2:22:32] My main concern between R1 and R4 is the
[2:22:36] spacing between
[2:22:39] the houses,
[2:22:41] particularly in the backyard. R4 allows
[2:22:44] you to only have five feet for backyard.
[2:22:50] What are you going to do? Shake hands
[2:22:52] with your neighbor every morning.
[2:22:55] You know, those things need to be in
[2:22:58] writing.
[2:23:01] It was a complaint about the
[2:23:02] subdivision.
[2:23:04] That subdivision road is only 24 ft.
[2:23:08] It's not wide enough, [snorts]
[2:23:13] you know. Now you change the rules. I
[2:23:16] can't identify the problems now
[2:23:21] on it. R4 changes. Once you take a vote
[2:23:24] here,
[2:23:26] if any changes is done, it doesn't come
[2:23:29] back to you.
[2:23:32] One person makes a decision.
[2:23:37] It's not that comes back to the board
[2:23:39] and the board votes on it for the
[2:23:42] changes.
[2:23:44] Your own bylaws says one individual does
[2:23:48] it and they will notify the board. It
[2:23:52] doesn't come back and start all over
[2:23:54] again for a new. And if you look at your
[2:23:57] paperwork,
[2:24:03] I'm sorry.
[2:24:11] [snorts]
[2:24:31] Okay. If you look at your paperwork on
[2:24:34] 326Z
[2:24:37] part 4, the township zoning commission
[2:24:40] and the township trustee may request
[2:24:42] other county, state, and federal
[2:24:44] agencies such as the Claremont County
[2:24:47] Planning Commission, county engineer,
[2:24:49] water and soil conser conservation,
[2:24:53] Claremont County Water and Sewer
[2:24:54] District, and Ohio PA to review and
[2:24:57] comment on submitted [snorts]
[2:24:59] plans.
[2:25:01] Okay. At the meeting, we asked
[2:25:06] for storm sewer because on Clap Pike, it
[2:25:11] does not work. And I guarantee you that
[2:25:15] you can drop a gallon of dye in front of
[2:25:18] our houses
[2:25:20] and you can dump water
[2:25:24] and let a storm and it ain't going
[2:25:26] nowhere. The storm sewers do not work at
[2:25:30] [snorts] all.
[2:25:35] Sewer system. You got an eight 8 in
[2:25:37] sewer system
[2:25:41] on clock pipe.
[2:25:44] 60 years old.
[2:25:49] You got the creek back there with two
[2:25:53] natural ponds. Do you have an EPA
[2:25:56] report? We hear a lot of reports coming
[2:25:59] in. I came to your office to look at
[2:26:02] them. I can't find them.
[2:26:08] It's all here. I have to see everything
[2:26:11] in writing. What I recommend is because
[2:26:14] the way the process was done, send it
[2:26:18] back and give opportunity to people to
[2:26:22] look at the new designs.
[2:26:25] I can't even talk about it because I
[2:26:27] don't know. This is totally different
[2:26:31] of what we saw two weeks ago.
[2:26:35] How can we make recommendations? How can
[2:26:38] we ask for stuff when we don't know?
[2:26:40] They didn't have no pictures of houses.
[2:26:44] They told us they're going to build us
[2:26:45] to 6,000 square foot homes on a 9,000
[2:26:50] square foot lot.
[2:26:55] Look at the
[2:26:56] >> watch it on TV, on YouTube. It's too
[2:26:59] many unanswered questions, stuff that
[2:27:02] people ask for.
[2:27:05] You, the board, don't get to see them
[2:27:06] because nobody wrote it down. They
[2:27:10] thought it was a big joke about the
[2:27:12] gate, which is the dumbest thing I ever
[2:27:14] heard. You're going to put a gate there?
[2:27:20] Ain't no fence. What's the sense of
[2:27:22] having a gate
[2:27:24] just to block the street? They drive
[2:27:26] around it.
[2:27:32] It's too many unanswered questions to
[2:27:35] the public. They're so fed up and they
[2:27:37] just don't trust you. That's the
[2:27:40] reality.
[2:27:42] I recommend
[2:27:44] send it back. Give the people an
[2:27:46] opportunity
[2:27:48] to digest it. see what they need and
[2:27:52] then come back. We got plenty of time.
[2:27:54] They already admitted that they won't do
[2:27:57] nothing till next year.
[2:28:01] >> Mr. Do you want me to address a few
[2:28:03] things you talked about?
[2:28:03] >> Yes, please.
[2:28:04] >> Just, you know, they're not 6,000 foot
[2:28:06] homes. That would be like an Indian Hill
[2:28:07] style home. That'd be a monster home.
[2:28:09] Just just not 6,000.
[2:28:12] Um this is the first well zoning was
[2:28:15] first and then then it comes here and
[2:28:17] the county won't take a look at it
[2:28:19] unless the township says yes they they
[2:28:22] approving this in their that goes for
[2:28:23] all of Claremont County. So no matter
[2:28:25] where you're going to build in the
[2:28:26] county
[2:28:27] >> if the township's not going to approve
[2:28:28] it and vote it down the countyy's going
[2:28:29] to look at it to begin with. So the
[2:28:31] first step is here that's the first step
[2:28:32] and then and then uh the engineer and
[2:28:35] the county [snorts] those folks look at
[2:28:36] it after that. Um just you know the uh
[2:28:39] so when when they approached the zoning
[2:28:42] >> um they they came with their plans and
[2:28:44] then they heard you know the residents
[2:28:46] talk and they had the zoning board's
[2:28:47] recommendations. That's why they changed
[2:28:49] it to accommodate what everyone with the
[2:28:52] feedback they got to give us these plans
[2:28:54] that that's why they did that. So the
[2:28:55] gate you're talking about they did that
[2:28:57] for those two guys over there for safety
[2:28:59] services but then but then they got got
[2:29:02] approval but they didn't need the gate.
[2:29:04] So the gate was actually to help for
[2:29:05] safety services, you know, for for that.
[2:29:07] And then then they did away with the
[2:29:09] gate because they realized they didn't
[2:29:10] need it. Uh so they actually thought the
[2:29:13] uh the adjacent neighborhood didn't want
[2:29:16] the gate at all. So that's why they put
[2:29:17] an end culde-sac there instead of having
[2:29:18] a gate drive through. So therefore
[2:29:20] >> therefore the road doesn't go through
[2:29:22] the neighborhood to the right. Uh so
[2:29:24] they just put an end culde-sac there.
[2:29:26] was a gate, but from my
[2:29:27] understanding the feedback they got was
[2:29:29] from the residents that live in that
[2:29:30] current neighborhood. They didn't want
[2:29:31] the gate and so they they basically cut
[2:29:33] it off. That's why that's why the plans
[2:29:35] are different tonight than they were. So I mean
[2:29:38] >> you could say you don't trust any of us
[2:29:40] up here on this board. But no no you say
[2:29:42] you don't trust any of us. What I'm
[2:29:43] saying is they send the plans first to
[2:29:45] zonings. Zoning makes recommendations
[2:29:47] then they modify them to bring them here
[2:29:49] and that's what they're doing now. So I
[2:29:51] mean that so far everything they've done
[2:29:53] whether you like them or not is
[2:29:54] irrelevant. They've done everything
[2:29:56] correctly up to this point. That makes
[2:29:57] sense.
[2:29:59] It's as I stated before, it's not a
[2:30:01] matter if they did, you know, the
[2:30:04] corrected problems or the issues. You
[2:30:07] had over 30 concerns
[2:30:10] at that meeting. Not a one of them made
[2:30:14] it to your report that you got in front
[2:30:17] of you. Who are we serving?
[2:30:22] When you met with the contractor, you
[2:30:24] met several times. Your guideline itself
[2:30:27] says that you met with a contractor
[2:30:30] several times. Okay? You send a notice
[2:30:34] out to the people that you're going to
[2:30:37] do it, but you don't give them any
[2:30:39] information, any kind of information of
[2:30:42] what their rights are.
[2:30:49] Nothing,
[2:30:51] you know. And what happens is they say
[2:30:54] they attend the meeting and the I tell
[2:30:57] you very simple
[2:31:00] the only thing everybody got very clear
[2:31:03] if you don't follow our recommendation
[2:31:07] what we're going to do we're going to
[2:31:08] strip the land
[2:31:11] and put houses on it.
[2:31:14] Well
[2:31:16] you don't blackmail people. He's from
[2:31:19] out of town. He's coming in here to make
[2:31:21] a profit.
[2:31:23] There's nothing wrong with it. He has
[2:31:25] the rights to. It's his land.
[2:31:29] But if he wants something changed, he
[2:31:31] has to cooperate.
[2:31:33] You know, we ask how the houses look. We
[2:31:36] didn't have no pictures
[2:31:39] of see what kind of house you do.
[2:31:42] How can we have input on it if we didn't
[2:31:45] know? How can we prepare for it? It's an
[2:31:48] unfair. Now, the bottom line is the
[2:31:53] reality is you can make a choice and you
[2:31:56] got a hard choice to make today. Either
[2:32:00] send it back, vote for it, or turn it
[2:32:02] down.
[2:32:06] You know, that's your choice. And I
[2:32:08] wouldn't want to be in your shoes right
[2:32:10] now. But the difference is these people
[2:32:14] don't know what to do next because
[2:32:16] you're not providing that information.
[2:32:19] Don't you think you should have a piece
[2:32:23] of paper guideline
[2:32:25] for every citizen to look at it says
[2:32:28] okay they're going to do this but I have
[2:32:31] the option of doing that
[2:32:33] you know to protest it or support it.
[2:32:38] You're leaving them out in the cold.
[2:32:42] It's very simple.
[2:32:45] Union tells you precinct t the last
[2:32:49] election for governor, you had 61 people
[2:32:55] voted for the governor. Either way,
[2:32:58] whichever party it was, there was 601
[2:33:01] people voted.
[2:33:03] According to your own township rules, to
[2:33:07] put a referendum in requires 8%
[2:33:12] of that vote. That's 47 people.
[2:33:16] Okay? People should know that that
[2:33:19] that's all they have to do is get 47
[2:33:23] registered voters to participate to put
[2:33:26] it on the ballot.
[2:33:28] Now, this is where you come in. Would
[2:33:31] you assist the people to put it on the
[2:33:35] ballot if you vote yes on it so they can
[2:33:39] meet the the language? They got 30 days
[2:33:42] to do it. Would you provide that service
[2:33:44] to the public to put a referendum in
[2:33:50] >> that I think that I think that I
[2:33:52] completely understand your p completely
[2:33:55] understand your your your perspective in
[2:33:57] question there and yeah you're
[2:33:58] absolutely right that there's a legal uh
[2:34:00] path for referendum
[2:34:02] >> u but I also believe that that probably
[2:34:06] stretches beyond the limit of
[2:34:11] the government here I'm going to ask
[2:34:12] that Because hold on.
[2:34:14] >> Yeah, I understand.
[2:34:15] >> Is it? No, here's a question. Like
[2:34:16] here's the very black and white question
[2:34:18] with that. You be asking if township
[2:34:21] resources can support or oppose a ballot
[2:34:25] item. And that's a very dangerous
[2:34:28] slippery hill. That is an issue.
[2:34:31] >> No, I'm not asking for that.
[2:34:33] [clears throat]
[2:34:33] >> I'm not asking whatsoever of that.
[2:34:36] >> What I'm asking for the res legal
[2:34:40] language that you need specifically
[2:34:44] for Union Township precinct T
[2:34:47] exclusively to vote on this one to
[2:34:51] remain R1
[2:34:54] or to change to R4.
[2:34:56] That's all I'm asking is to provide the
[2:35:00] proper language. clean referendum clean
[2:35:03] referendum language for so yeah and also
[2:35:07] probably another item there is I don't
[2:35:09] believe it's just uh to to precinct t
[2:35:12] >> I think it's a you'd have to collect
[2:35:15] signatures
[2:35:17] uh for the total was it 35% in the last
[2:35:21] gubernatorial for the township
[2:35:23] >> no no no it's not the township
[2:35:25] >> I'm not I'm not here to legisl I'm not
[2:35:27] here I'm not here to litigate that I
[2:35:29] just
[2:35:29] >> what I'm trying to say yes.
[2:35:31] >> I've I've looked at that previously as a
[2:35:34] as an issue for for residents.
[2:35:36] Absolutely understand
[2:35:38] >> and absolutely have shared that in the
[2:35:40] past that referendum is a right that
[2:35:43] residents have. Absolutely. And to make
[2:35:46] it clear,
[2:35:47] >> basically what you're trying to tell me
[2:35:50] if I come in as a businessman,
[2:35:54] okay? And I want something from you.
[2:35:57] You're going to bend over backwards like
[2:35:59] you did with them. You sat down. You had
[2:36:01] meetings with them. You didn't charge
[2:36:04] them for it.
[2:36:06] Okay? You turn around and wrote wrote up
[2:36:09] all the designs and the paperwork.
[2:36:12] Okay? and you didn't charge him
[2:36:15] anything.
[2:36:17] And now the citizens that be paying your
[2:36:20] taxes, and most of them are retirees on
[2:36:23] a fixed income,
[2:36:26] [clears throat] asking you to represent
[2:36:29] them and provide them with the necessary
[2:36:32] tools
[2:36:34] to defend what they will guarantee when
[2:36:38] they purchase their properties.
[2:36:41] And now you want to change the rules
[2:36:45] and you know it and I know it. Senior
[2:36:49] citizens can't afford to fight you. The
[2:36:51] only thing they can ask is put it on a
[2:36:54] referendum.
[2:36:55] >> I'm not I'm not looking for a fight from
[2:36:56] anybody and I'm not trying to change any
[2:36:57] rules with anybody.
[2:36:59] >> I'm not asking to change the rules. I'm
[2:37:01] asking you to use equal rules
[2:37:05] >> to both sides.
[2:37:08] You leaving one side the taxpayers
[2:37:12] on the coal and you open the roll the
[2:37:15] carpets out on the other side. Make it
[2:37:18] even.
[2:37:20] That's all. And I hope you consider my
[2:37:23] position and
[2:37:25] >> you go from there.
[2:37:27] >> Thank you, Mr.
[2:37:28] >> Do you have any questions for me?
[2:37:31] >> No. No. No. Thank you. Thank you for
[2:37:33] your time. Appreciate you. Uh Miss Come
[2:37:36] on up.
[2:37:39] All right, just raise your right hand
[2:37:42] and then do you swear to tell the truth,
[2:37:43] the whole truth. Nothing but the truth.
[2:37:44] So hope you got God.
[2:37:45] >> I do.
[2:37:46] >> And then just do me a favor. Say your
[2:37:47] name and address slowly so Mr. Campbell
[2:37:49] can grab.
[2:37:50] >> There's a card that I turned in.
[2:37:53] >> Someone has
[2:37:54] >> What was your first name?
[2:37:55] >> Margaret.
[2:37:56] >> Got it right here. You're good. We still
[2:37:57] need it for the record. Go ahead and say
[2:37:59] it. I think I just put Margaret Zidan,
[2:38:01] but legally it's Margaret Richardson
[2:38:03] Zan, 1088 Ridge Point Drive, Davia 451.
[2:38:07] >> Yes, ma'am.
[2:38:08] >> Um, this isn't really opposed or for
[2:38:12] more comments and questions.
[2:38:13] >> Yes, ma'am.
[2:38:14] >> Um,
[2:38:16] first I'm grateful for the culdeac
[2:38:19] because my big my big concern living on
[2:38:21] Ridge Point was a road coming through
[2:38:24] with maybe a hundred and whatever number
[2:38:25] more cars trying to get through that.
[2:38:28] >> Yeah. Um, I do want to I do want to make
[2:38:31] one comment because some of you up there
[2:38:33] probably agree with me. Um, I'm still
[2:38:36] very active and I drive a lot. Just
[2:38:38] because I'm a senior doesn't mean I
[2:38:40] drive any less. I just want you to know
[2:38:44] [laughter]
[2:38:45] and my neighbors are in and out of their
[2:38:47] houses all the time just as often as the
[2:38:49] young folks with little kids. I'm sorry.
[2:38:52] >> Sorry. I don't need my I don't need a
[2:38:54] golf cup.
[2:38:54] >> I appreciate that.
[2:38:56] >> I just want you to know. Thank you.
[2:38:57] Okay. So the um the water issue was
[2:39:00] already brought up. It's on both sides
[2:39:02] of that culde-sac. So I think seven
[2:39:04] houses is going to be a big issue um to
[2:39:07] take care of that so that that doesn't
[2:39:09] impact. I'm concerned that if because
[2:39:13] I've seen this even on cloth just across
[2:39:17] a little later, you know, just just
[2:39:19] across shaller
[2:39:21] um when they put in uh into a new
[2:39:23] subdivision there, they really raised
[2:39:25] the ground. I certainly don't want the
[2:39:27] ground raised in a way that's going to
[2:39:31] shed water into either other people's
[2:39:34] yards or homes or the like the Cluff
[2:39:36] Pike residents right now who the water
[2:39:39] doesn't drain.
[2:39:41] I'm extremely concerned
[2:39:45] about another road coming off Cloth Pike
[2:39:48] and the short distance of a light the
[2:39:51] distance of maybe a house and a half and
[2:39:53] the exit we now can take to get out onto
[2:39:56] cloth. Maybe there's only about 10
[2:39:59] houses between us and the next light
[2:40:03] just just to kind of give you an idea.
[2:40:05] And somewhere in there, another
[2:40:08] entrance on the cluff. I I just think I
[2:40:12] I'm concerned. I think that's dangerous.
[2:40:15] I just think it's dangerous. If there's
[2:40:17] a way of doing shallor or shayaylor,
[2:40:20] however it's pronounced, that would make
[2:40:22] a little more sense to me. It doesn't It
[2:40:24] seems to have a little more room without
[2:40:27] some of the difficulty that we're
[2:40:28] already having. And wherever that new
[2:40:31] one goes in, there's not a left turn
[2:40:33] lane.
[2:40:34] Um, so if they want to turn into their
[2:40:38] subdivision from there, it's going to be
[2:40:40] extremely difficult
[2:40:42] um to do that, especially if that's the
[2:40:44] only way in or out for them. Um,
[2:40:48] so I'm not too I'm not certain. There
[2:40:51] are times getting in and out is is
[2:40:54] really difficult and it and we really
[2:40:57] depend on those lights. I think someone
[2:40:59] mentioned about not having a right turn
[2:41:01] on the red
[2:41:04] there. Um because we really depend on
[2:41:07] those two red lights so that we can get
[2:41:09] out even to make a right turn without
[2:41:11] having and times you're still kind of
[2:41:13] gunning it a little bit currently just
[2:41:16] to get out safely and I know there have
[2:41:19] been a few accidents right there but um
[2:41:24] I think that's it. I didn't have major I
[2:41:26] somebody answered the question about the
[2:41:28] housing. Um, I certainly wouldn't want
[2:41:30] houses lower than, you know, 350
[2:41:34] just because of what we just got the new
[2:41:37] evaluations on what ours are.
[2:41:39] >> I know. I know.
[2:41:40] >> And so that's a pro. And then and then I
[2:41:43] also have concerns about they only have
[2:41:45] to put five feet between houses for me.
[2:41:48] That's a big concern as well.
[2:41:50] >> Um, that's that's not a space enough
[2:41:52] space between houses. It really isn't. and I
[2:41:56] grew up and was born and raised in
[2:41:58] Detroit. Um, I know what close houses
[2:42:01] look like and I know also what a hazard
[2:42:04] it is if one of them catches fire, how
[2:42:07] quickly that spreads if you've only got
[2:42:09] five feet or less between buildings. So,
[2:42:13] my biggest concerns are the cluff pike
[2:42:15] and that that glad he mentioned the
[2:42:18] water and the other and that's it.
[2:42:21] >> Yeah, I I didn't get your last name so I
[2:42:22] can't but thank you, Miss Margaret.
[2:42:24] Appreciate you very much.
[2:42:25] >> Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Mer, any
[2:42:26] questions?
[2:42:27] >> No.
[2:42:27] >> Any questions,
[2:42:28] >> Mr. Lo?
[2:42:28] >> No. Thank you.
[2:42:30] >> Thank you, miss. Appreciate you.
[2:42:32] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to
[2:42:33] speak here? Please come on up, sir.
[2:42:41] » Perfect. Perfect.
[2:42:41] >> You got it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate
[2:42:43] you.
[2:42:43] >> Then I'll swear you in.
[2:42:45] >> All right. Do you swear to the truth,
[2:42:47] the whole truth? Are they both the
[2:42:48] truth? So help God?
[2:42:49] >> I do. Great.
[2:42:50] >> Yours name and address for the record.
[2:42:53] >> My name is Doug Schaer. I live on 1060
[2:42:56] Kluff Pike and um
[2:42:59] I have the house right there that's
[2:43:01] affected by all of this. The house right
[2:43:05] there where the entrance is at.
[2:43:08] >> So I've got
[2:43:08] >> Oh, right. right right there.
[2:43:10] >> Yeah.
[2:43:10] >> Okay. Right there. All right.
[2:43:11] >> Yep. I've got the uh the house that is
[2:43:13] physically affected by all of this.
[2:43:15] Yeah. Which is fine. I just want to say
[2:43:17] I truly support all this. I think this
[2:43:19] is a great
[2:43:20] >> great thing. And the last the May 24th
[2:43:23] meeting, uh, we were talking about
[2:43:25] plenty of green space. The the this is
[2:43:27] new. The prior plans had much more green
[2:43:31] space, which would have been really
[2:43:33] nice. Um, there's a ton of green space
[2:43:35] back there, but there's a ton of
[2:43:37] wildlife back there. Um, I'm not too
[2:43:41] thrilled about having a road right
[2:43:42] beside me, but I know what it is. It is
[2:43:44] what it is. But we also have to consider
[2:43:46] what what's the safety of the people
[2:43:48] that are back there. Uh, we're all
[2:43:50] concerned, all of us people at the
[2:43:52] Bridge Point, one word, Ridge Point is
[2:43:56] concerned about drainage. You I'm sure
[2:43:58] you guys hear this all the time. I'm not
[2:43:59] even going to bring that up anymore.
[2:44:01] Drainage is an issue. But to me, the
[2:44:03] real issue is is the the traffic on
[2:44:06] Kluff opposed to the traffic on Bach
[2:44:09] Bucks. It we've all driven both down
[2:44:13] both of them. Um during school hours,
[2:44:16] traffic on Kluff is insane. you can't
[2:44:18] get out. If it's
[2:44:20] if you're if it's 7:45, good luck.
[2:44:23] Somebody might be nice enough to stop
[2:44:25] short of you. You've got about a
[2:44:27] football field before Shaylor at my
[2:44:30] house and then the new street's going to
[2:44:32] be right there. Um so you've got to gun
[2:44:35] it and hopefully nobody's coming. I've
[2:44:38] almost been t-boned there plenty of
[2:44:39] times. I mean, dozens of times. My kids
[2:44:42] have also too. Um, every time, this is
[2:44:46] just during school hours. U when we
[2:44:48] first moved there 27 years ago, it was
[2:44:50] just a a stop sign. They raised up the
[2:44:53] land. They they took all of our shrubs
[2:44:57] and trees that were blocking the view. I
[2:44:59] replanted another 40 plus shrubs and
[2:45:01] trees out there. Now, with this new
[2:45:04] layout, they're going to have to widen
[2:45:06] the road because people are not going to
[2:45:08] be able to turn in and out safely. It's
[2:45:10] a hazard the way it is now. with this
[2:45:12] plan. The only solution that I see is
[2:45:15] going back to the old plan. Is it
[2:45:17] possible we could pull up the old plan?
[2:45:22] So,
[2:45:23] the old plan it has you have two exits.
[2:45:28] If you want to go south towards 125, you
[2:45:30] have to turn left out of my house or the
[2:45:32] new subdivision.
[2:45:35] Good luck with the school. Like I said,
[2:45:38] TW 27 years ago, Glenn and Ameilia,
[2:45:41] they're miles away. Now that school's so
[2:45:44] close that we can hear the the metronome
[2:45:46] clinking every time the band's playing,
[2:45:48] which is great. Fully support it. But
[2:45:50] the reality of it is Bach Bucks has less
[2:45:52] traffic than than Cliff Pipe.
[2:45:54] >> My solution is either gun it or you turn
[2:45:56] right on the Shaylor. You turn right on
[2:45:58] the Buck Bucks and you're going past
[2:46:00] that subdivision anyways. So the only
[2:46:04] solution is to go through the
[2:46:06] subdivision and then you can turn right
[2:46:08] onto Bach Bucksen and go towards 125.
[2:46:12] And that way the the people in the new
[2:46:14] subdivision, the 60 homes there will
[2:46:16] have an alternative route besides
[2:46:18] turning left and towards 125. They can
[2:46:20] turn right out of out on a Bach Bucksen
[2:46:23] which has less traffic. If you're
[2:46:24] turning right out of that subdivision,
[2:46:26] you have a quarter mile towards Shaylor.
[2:46:28] You got another quarter mile before the
[2:46:30] next traffic light. You don't have
[2:46:32] [snorts] 300 feet before the before the
[2:46:34] traffic lighted trailer like it is at my
[2:46:36] house. I know no matter what happens,
[2:46:38] I'm still have to turn right and turn right. But I'm advocating
[2:46:43] for the new people and all the realators
[2:46:45] that come in, all the contractors that
[2:46:47] come in, all the minivan bombs that come
[2:46:48] in, they're going to need to safely pull
[2:46:51] out of their own subdivision. I don't
[2:46:53] mind it. I'm a wild man. I'll gun it and
[2:46:55] get it. You can ask the people that live
[2:46:57] there, but it's a reality of it all.
[2:47:01] Um, I just don't get the understanding
[2:47:04] of it's going to be a slight
[2:47:05] inconvenience. Uh, and I understand the
[2:47:08] inconvenience. All of the traffic is
[2:47:10] going past my house. All of it. And I've
[2:47:13] had our land got reduced once already.
[2:47:16] It's going to end up getting reduced
[2:47:17] again. So, that's another inconvenience.
[2:47:19] [clears throat] Whatever. Which is fine.
[2:47:21] Whatever. We still support it. But the
[2:47:24] only solution that I see for the
[2:47:25] residents, the new residents for this
[2:47:26] new subdivision is to be able to exit on
[2:47:28] the back side of Bucks and to turn right
[2:47:30] up to 1.5. That's all that I got.
[2:47:33] >> Mr. Becker, any questions?
[2:47:36] >> Mr. Lo,
[2:47:37] >> questions for you guys. What are your
[2:47:40] thoughts between the traffic from Bach
[2:47:41] Boxing and Club Pike? Which one's worse?
[2:47:46] You don't have to even talk about it
[2:47:47] because I know that there's reports and
[2:47:49] this that and the other, but you don't
[2:47:52] have to talk about it. I just want to
[2:47:53] give you something to think about,
[2:47:54] right?
[2:47:54] >> Yeah,
[2:47:55] >> I see it every day.
[2:47:58] >> It's a loaded question. I know.
[2:48:00] >> Uh, no. Well spoken, you know, and thank
[2:48:02] you.
[2:48:03] >> And then, hey, hey, uh, Mr. Flatty, keep
[2:48:06] the old plan handy because I'll probably
[2:48:08] reference it later on tonight.
[2:48:09] >> Y,
[2:48:10] >> uh, M. Schaefer, first off,
[2:48:14] >> fantastic attitude given the fact that,
[2:48:16] yeah, I think out of
[2:48:19] almost everyone, you're probably the
[2:48:21] most affected. Uh especially since the
[2:48:23] main entrance is going right by your
[2:48:25] house.
[2:48:25] >> Yeah. And we still support the
[2:48:27] subdivision. We love it.
[2:48:28] >> I think the homes that you guys have
[2:48:30] presented, I think they're wonderful
[2:48:31] homes and they're somewhat affordable
[2:48:33] for this economy.
[2:48:35] >> Um sorry to interrupt.
[2:48:36] >> No, no, no. You're okay. I I just
[2:48:38] appreciate your attitude. And uh do you
[2:48:42] hypothetically, maybe it's shot down,
[2:48:44] but if it is upheld to be voted for, is
[2:48:48] there anything you want specifically for
[2:48:49] them to do on your property?
[2:48:51] >> Well, I've I'm already building a fence.
[2:48:53] I got a permit to build a fence a couple
[2:48:55] months ago. I'm building shadow box
[2:48:56] fence, the the good neighbor fence. Um
[2:49:00] >> I'm taking I'm being proactive on this.
[2:49:02] Um, but if they do this other they do
[2:49:05] this other subdivision where they're
[2:49:06] because we're bending the knee to the
[2:49:08] fine people at Ridge Point. I might, you
[2:49:10] know, I don't know. I might just buy a
[2:49:12] bunch of junkers out there and put put
[2:49:14] it behind my house. Why not?
[2:49:17] [laughter]
[2:49:17] >> Yeah,
[2:49:18] >> I'm joking.
[2:49:19] >> No, no, I'm laughing. I'm laughing. It's We We have to try to make
[2:49:22] [laughter] light of life sometimes. No,
[2:49:23] it's good. Okay. Um
[2:49:25] >> Um, they said they're already going to
[2:49:26] put shrubs and trees out there. That's
[2:49:28] about all they can do. Um,
[2:49:30] >> do do you want me to ask them for
[2:49:31] anything else? I'll put it
[2:49:33] >> if they want to pony up for some of the
[2:49:34] fence. I'd be fine with that, too. But
[2:49:36] and I'm installing all this. It's It's a
[2:49:38] beautiful fence.
[2:49:40] >> More than welcome to look at it,
[2:49:41] whatever. But
[2:49:43] >> Okay, fair enough. The uh
[2:49:45] >> Yep. I don't have a problem with it at
[2:49:46] all again, but I think it's a safety
[2:49:48] issue.
[2:49:49] >> Yeah, I understand. Thank you. Thank
[2:49:50] you, sir. Appreciate you very much. Um
[2:49:52] Okay. Is there anyone else that is
[2:49:54] Please come on. I saw you first, sir.
[2:49:55] Then then I'll get you you next. Come on
[2:49:58] up, sir.
[2:50:00] >> Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Please bring that
[2:50:01] up. Yeah, appreciate that. Helps out Mr.
[2:50:02] Campbell a lot.
[2:50:03] >> Okay,
[2:50:03] >> then I got to write it.
[2:50:04] >> Oh, it's it's okay. Just just talk slow
[2:50:06] so Mr. Campbell can get you. Okay.
[2:50:07] >> Oh, talk slow. Okay. So, I tell you
[2:50:09] verbally. Great.
[2:50:10] >> You verbally this this nice gentleman
[2:50:12] right here.
[2:50:13] >> You look quite nice.
[2:50:14] >> Yeah. So, you look like a nice Let me go
[2:50:15] swear you.
[2:50:16] >> Absolutely.
[2:50:17] >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the
[2:50:18] whole truth? Are they both the truth?
[2:50:19] So, be God.
[2:50:20] >> Yeah.
[2:50:20] >> Great. And then just state your state
[2:50:22] your name and address for the record,
[2:50:23] but
[2:50:24] >> I know it's a long night. Everyone's got
[2:50:25] the giggles.
[2:50:26] >> Mr. Campbell can write it [laughter]
[2:50:28] down.
[2:50:28] >> Mr. Campbell, it's Ivon Delgado. I V A N
[2:50:32] D E L G A D like dog O.
[2:50:36] >> Got it. And then your address, sir.
[2:50:38] >> 1122 Forest Run Drive. Feel free to
[2:50:41] visit.
[2:50:43] >> That's a joke.
[2:50:44] >> Yeah,
[2:50:47] >> I think there have been tremendous
[2:50:50] solutions [clears throat] raised to the
[2:50:51] issues proposed. I don't want to
[2:50:52] reiterate those. The traffic, the
[2:50:54] drainage, the people whose homes are
[2:50:55] directly affected. I came here to be
[2:50:57] mainly informed and I certainly was and
[2:50:59] I think everyone's spoken very
[2:51:00] eloquently on those issues. I'm in full
[2:51:02] support of the solution proposed the
[2:51:04] entrance to Shayaylor etc. very
[2:51:06] intelligent solutions. There's just one
[2:51:08] perspective I want to add from the point
[2:51:10] of someone who owns no property. Now
[2:51:14] don't be uh misguided by the spring
[2:51:18] chickens behind me. All right? But I
[2:51:22] unlike them who are concerned of their
[2:51:24] property and of their existing value as
[2:51:26] they should be. It is their property.
[2:51:27] >> Sure.
[2:51:28] >> I myself will one day hope to be in a
[2:51:31] position like them where I concerned of
[2:51:32] my own property. Right now I rent a home
[2:51:35] at the address I mentioned with four
[2:51:38] other people. There's five of us. And
[2:51:40] yes, it's legal. Five of us in one
[2:51:42] place.
[2:51:44] We've tried many, many times to buy a
[2:51:46] home, but because of the prices of the
[2:51:48] economy, which I know the trustes can't
[2:51:49] control. We're outbid every time. We
[2:51:51] pulled together our money. We have a
[2:51:52] handsome down payment. I get a nice
[2:51:54] corporate job. That's why I'm wearing
[2:51:55] the shirt. It's not for you guys,
[2:51:56] unfortunately.
[2:51:58] But outbid cash every time. Now, this is
[2:52:01] not necessarily a request of a developer
[2:52:03] or anything like that. I understand the
[2:52:04] prices were lowered. This is just a
[2:52:06] general sentiment that out of all the
[2:52:07] solutions you've heard today, I think
[2:52:08] all of them are valid. I just want to
[2:52:10] throw in my two cents that I think one
[2:52:11] solution that won't solve anything is
[2:52:13] raising the prices. I know some people
[2:52:15] think ah they were 600,000 before
[2:52:18] and some as you mentioned not to make
[2:52:20] your head spin some people want higher
[2:52:21] prices some people want lower prices.
[2:52:24] If I had property in this existing area
[2:52:26] perhaps I'd want higher prices but I
[2:52:28] want to bring the perspective of
[2:52:29] somebody who one day dreams to have
[2:52:30] property in this area to build a life
[2:52:32] here with my friends in Union Township
[2:52:34] where I intend to stay.
[2:52:37] As you enter hypothetically the
[2:52:40] negotiation phase after this, the one
[2:52:42] thing I request for you to weigh is of
[2:52:46] course the traffic, of course the
[2:52:47] drainage, but raising the prices back to
[2:52:50] 600,000
[2:52:52] is not something I think would solve any
[2:52:54] of the problems brought here today and
[2:52:56] not something that would benefit people
[2:52:57] like me and my friends who want to
[2:52:59] establish a future life here.
[2:53:02] >> That's all.
[2:53:03] >> Thank you, Mr. Dion. Appreciate it very
[2:53:05] much.
[2:53:05] >> Thank you very much. eloquently spoken.
[2:53:08] Thank you, Mr. Belgado.
[2:53:09] >> Okay, Mel, did you you want to come up?
[2:53:12] Okay, Mel, come on up, sir.
[2:53:14] Mr. Camp, do you have Mel Mr. Dean's uh address memorized?
[2:53:24] » All right, Dit. Mr. Dit, sorry. Do you
[2:53:27] swear to tell truth? The whole truth. I
[2:53:28] think the truth.
[2:53:29] >> I do.
[2:53:31] >> Melvin Dit 3902 Banks Road. Yes,
[2:53:34] >> sir. I've heard uh many uh things here
[2:53:37] tonight and I want to just restate that
[2:53:41] your first purpose here is to protect
[2:53:45] the residents
[2:53:47] and that means in all their general
[2:53:50] safety, their property
[2:53:52] and that is your duty.
[2:53:56] I disagree with uh one of the statements
[2:53:59] that somebody made. It's not you,
[2:54:04] this board here, that are trying to
[2:54:07] change the rules.
[2:54:10] It's the gentlemen back here that are
[2:54:12] trying to change it from R1 to R4.
[2:54:17] Now, sometime in the past, there's been
[2:54:21] many many people that have looked over
[2:54:24] and figured out how to zone these
[2:54:27] various areas. Why they did that, I
[2:54:30] don't know, but they thought that they
[2:54:33] were good. And for you to change, excuse
[2:54:36] me, I stated that wrong. For somebody to
[2:54:40] try to change those in the middle of the
[2:54:42] road is wrong. If they need to be
[2:54:46] changed, they need to be changed. But
[2:54:49] before something like this comes up, not
[2:54:52] in the middle of the game.
[2:54:55] That's about what I have to say.
[2:54:58] Thank you, Mr. Dwood. Appreciate you
[2:54:59] very much. Thank you.
[2:55:06] I was taking notes. Okay. Uh, is there
[2:55:07] anyone else that like to speak tonight?
[2:55:09] Come on up, sir.
[2:55:12] Oh my gosh.
[2:55:17] » Howdy.
[2:55:17] >> All right. Perfect. And then uh All
[2:55:19] right. Raise your right hand. You swear
[2:55:20] to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
[2:55:22] they both the truth. So hopey God.
[2:55:23] >> I do.
[2:55:23] >> Great. And then just say uh your name
[2:55:24] and address for the record, but slowly
[2:55:26] so Mr. came and grabbed it.
[2:55:27] >> My name is Jacob Dom. J A C O B.
[2:55:32] Last name Dom. D as in dog. A as in
[2:55:35] apple. U is in unicorn. M as in mother.
[2:55:40] [snorts]
[2:55:40] >> Got it. Please. Yeah.
[2:55:43] >> I am the second owner of a 72year-old
[2:55:46] house. I'm proud that I was able to buy
[2:55:49] that house. I'm 25 years old. I bought
[2:55:52] that house three years ago. Most people
[2:55:55] my age, most my contemporaries are not
[2:55:57] capable of being able to buy a house.
[2:56:00] And if I say I didn't compromise, that
[2:56:03] would be a lie. It is a project house as
[2:56:07] an understatement. Certainly, a lot of
[2:56:09] work has to be done to it. That house
[2:56:11] was built after the Second World War.
[2:56:15] It was built for a family who bought it,
[2:56:18] who raised their three daughters in it,
[2:56:20] who lived in it, died in it, had a whole
[2:56:23] life in it. It's like a an 1100 square
[2:56:26] foot house. The profound amount of what
[2:56:30] is being built today, not just here, but
[2:56:32] all across the country, is homes that
[2:56:34] are way larger than that, don't fit the
[2:56:36] scale of that, are much bigger, often
[2:56:39] double the size, and because of that,
[2:56:42] are also way more expensive relative to
[2:56:45] people's incomes. It is not generally
[2:56:48] possible to be able to be a a father
[2:56:52] with a stay-at-home wife and a child
[2:56:54] anymore and own a house. It's just not
[2:56:56] functionally possible. You have to at
[2:56:57] least have a two parent income and then
[2:57:00] all of the uh extra problems that come
[2:57:03] with that like having to afford child
[2:57:05] care and plan around that and all the
[2:57:07] other stuff around that just to be able
[2:57:09] to raise a family.
[2:57:12] And so my problem with this proposal
[2:57:16] wouldn't be that they're
[2:57:20] not expensive enough, but they're too expensive really. Uh, I'm very much in favor of the diversity
[2:57:27] of the free hand of the market. Let
[2:57:29] developers build. If developers
[2:57:30] somewhere want to build expensive homes,
[2:57:32] let them build expensive homes. They
[2:57:33] want to build cheap homes. Let them
[2:57:34] build cheap homes. But certainly as as a
[2:57:37] community, if if the goal of the
[2:57:39] township is to bring in and retain the
[2:57:42] youth to have a literal future because
[2:57:45] eventually all the older people in the
[2:57:47] back are going to die off and you won't
[2:57:49] have a tax base if they're all dead,
[2:57:52] >> right? You better be careful.
[2:57:54] >> You're going to need people like me who
[2:57:56] are willing to set up a set up a life
[2:57:58] here and live here and pay taxes here
[2:58:01] and grow the community. And it's very
[2:58:04] much so impossible to do that when
[2:58:06] there's nothing that you can afford. And
[2:58:09] when the houses like mine that are fixer
[2:58:12] uppers that someone who was 96y old died
[2:58:15] in are very rare to find.
[2:58:18] when when it's impossible to start that
[2:58:20] future, it makes why would you live in
[2:58:23] Union Township? Why not go live
[2:58:25] somewhere else? Why not rent an
[2:58:27] apartment in downtown Cincinnati? I if
[2:58:29] you're going to not be able to own a
[2:58:30] house anyway, like why bother trying?
[2:58:33] So, I think I would encourage the
[2:58:36] trustees here to consider and favor
[2:58:39] development plans that include smaller
[2:58:42] lot sizes, that include lower price
[2:58:44] housing, that include smaller houses.
[2:58:47] And also, you have to consider when the
[2:58:50] only stuff being built and developed is
[2:58:52] big houses on big lots, you're telling
[2:58:54] people essentially, if you want to own a
[2:58:56] house, you have to mow this much yard.
[2:58:58] If you want to own a house, you have to
[2:59:00] vacuum this much floor. Some people
[2:59:02] would rather like to have a smaller
[2:59:04] house and not have to pay the extra
[2:59:06] heating and cooling costs, pay the extra
[2:59:07] energy bills and do the extra
[2:59:10] maintenance, but that that lower end
[2:59:14] diversity in the freehand of the market
[2:59:16] is quite lacking. And that's not just
[2:59:19] because of zoning restrictions, which in
[2:59:22] of themselves are already quite crazy
[2:59:26] restrictive to be able to build smaller
[2:59:28] stuff, but also because of other people
[2:59:30] who already own stuff who are worried
[2:59:33] about their own
[2:59:35] housing values going not up enough and
[2:59:38] then usually often later complaining
[2:59:40] when the precipitous increase of
[2:59:42] property taxes also occurs.
[2:59:45] So, I would I would encourage you all to
[2:59:49] consider and encourage developers to
[2:59:52] build more affordable homes for young
[2:59:55] families that can build and start a
[2:59:57] future here. And maybe we can actually
[3:00:00] revitalize America, one small township
[3:00:03] at a time. Thank you for your time.
[3:00:05] >> Thank you, Mr. Jones. Appreciate
[3:00:06] >> you, Jacob.
[3:00:08] >> Jacob, have you have you spoke have you
[3:00:09] come up to this podium before for
[3:00:11] something recently?
[3:00:13] >> I have not. This is the first time I've
[3:00:15] attended a township trustee meeting, but
[3:00:17] I've lived in the township for six years
[3:00:19] now.
[3:00:19] >> Okay. I thought I was recalling that
[3:00:21] you've uh uh spoken spoken before.
[3:00:24] Anyway,
[3:00:24] >> we might have met before.
[3:00:26] >> Eloquently said, "Thank you, Jacob.
[3:00:27] Thank you. Appreciate it."
[3:00:30] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that's in
[3:00:33] opposition?
[3:00:35] [clears throat]
[3:00:35] >> Okay, Mr.
[3:00:38] builders, developers, I'll bring you
[3:00:40] back up and uh
[3:00:46] please and uh I have sworn you both
[3:00:49] already in. So, you guys are both good
[3:00:50] to go and then uh you guys can tag team
[3:00:53] or whatever you like to do. No problem.
[3:00:55] >> Wow. Well, hopefully we got it uh some
[3:00:57] of it down and some of we can answer
[3:00:59] some of these questions. Um I'll start
[3:01:02] off with um the connection to Shaylor
[3:01:04] Road. Um the terrain is very steep. Uh it's the property really drops down.
[3:01:11] It's about 12 to 15 feet from the uh
[3:01:16] property down to Shaylor Road. It's a
[3:01:17] very steep uh grade to Trevors and it
[3:01:21] wouldn't be practical to put a road to
[3:01:22] Shaylor Road. Um secondly, if we did do
[3:01:26] put a [snorts] road to sh if it was
[3:01:28] possible to put a road to Shaylor, u the
[3:01:31] creek does come I think it's on the
[3:01:33] north side of Sher and it does cross
[3:01:34] over that that uh that proposed street
[3:01:39] would be approximately the same distance
[3:01:41] we have it from the intersection now on
[3:01:43] club. It would be about the same
[3:01:46] distance from the intersection from the
[3:01:47] light. But the main reason is not to go
[3:01:49] to shers is due to the steep terrain is
[3:01:52] the main reason. So that's why we uh we
[3:01:54] propose not to go to uh to Shaylor Road.
[3:01:57] Okay. Um I guess with Mr. Sheman uh with
[3:02:02] his concerns
[3:02:03] um I'd like to say that um construction
[3:02:07] entrance would come off of cloth and
[3:02:09] just as he stated we would build the
[3:02:11] subdivision u you know everything would
[3:02:14] come in off of cloth. The only things
[3:02:16] that we would do uh would be the sewer
[3:02:19] and water tie in onto Ridge Point and
[3:02:21] then the paving and curb construction
[3:02:24] would be uh coming off the ridge point.
[3:02:28] Um but like he said, the main heavy
[3:02:30] lifting of the earthwork and things of
[3:02:32] that nature, we would bring a
[3:02:34] construction entrance in off club Pike.
[3:02:36] Uh his water issues. Um,
[3:02:41] I'd like to, um, I guess the best thing
[3:02:44] to do is if I can, can I approach the
[3:02:46] board and just show them our thoughts
[3:02:47] real quick on this on the plan? Be
[3:02:49] easier to discuss.
[3:02:53] So,
[3:02:59] » so
[3:03:00] this is lot 52. Here's the call to say.
[3:03:04] There's a ridge high point that comes
[3:03:05] this way. Water drains. You can see the
[3:03:08] finger. It drains down into here into
[3:03:10] this pond. This point drains this way.
[3:03:12] There's this finger he's talking about
[3:03:14] that runs across his property. This is
[3:03:16] it's a natural natural drain. All the
[3:03:19] impervious area would be collected by
[3:03:22] the storm sewer run down this way. The
[3:03:24] only thing we we can do a side ditch
[3:03:26] down here and we can put a catch basin
[3:03:28] in here, pick this up, take it to here
[3:03:30] and then we would eliminate that that
[3:03:32] flow from going across this property. So
[3:03:34] that would answer that question.
[3:03:36] >> Got it. Perfect. Okay.
[3:03:56] Let's see. Um,
[3:04:00] I'll let you talk about covenants and
[3:04:01] restrictions on the HOA.
[3:04:05] Um, I guess the only other point I'd
[3:04:07] like to make is is you know, property is
[3:04:09] currently zoned R1 and um, you know, the
[3:04:13] property could be developed as R1.
[3:04:15] Access would come could be uh, come
[3:04:17] right off CL. It would tie it could tie
[3:04:19] into Ridge uh, Ridge Point Drive and no
[3:04:24] approvals are required. There's no
[3:04:26] approvals required. Only approval
[3:04:27] through this board. I'm sorry. an
[3:04:29] approval through this board or these
[3:04:31] residents would now have an input on
[3:04:33] what kind of road would be built from
[3:04:35] Cluff Pike to Ridge Point because it's
[3:04:37] zoned R1. It's approved. They could a
[3:04:39] developer come in tomorrow and build a
[3:04:41] road from Kluff Pike to Ridge Point and
[3:04:44] develop R1 lots on it and and the
[3:04:46] access. So, what I'm trying to say is is
[3:04:48] the access is really independent of the
[3:04:51] zoning. We're asking for R4 zoning
[3:04:54] to build again, as the two young
[3:04:57] gentlemen say, a more affordable
[3:04:59] housing. We're trying to take the
[3:05:02] natural character of the land and uh and
[3:05:04] preserve the ponds, create create a
[3:05:08] community, create an environment that
[3:05:09] would people want to live in, you know,
[3:05:11] and so um you know, in my opinion, the
[3:05:16] uh the access could be that road
[3:05:19] connection could be built tomorrow. you
[3:05:22] know, so I just I just wanted to bring
[3:05:24] that up to your your attention.
[3:05:28] Um,
[3:05:32] oh, with regards to the traffic impact
[3:05:34] study, there was a mention of 180
[3:05:36] vehicles per day or we did the traffic
[3:05:39] counts are as such. The [clears throat]
[3:05:41] AM peak trips are 47 and the PM peak
[3:05:44] trips are 60. Those are minimal. They're
[3:05:46] small amounts of traffic with relation
[3:05:48] to the the overall roadway system. So, I
[3:05:52] just wanted to make you aware that it's
[3:05:53] not 188 or or whatever was referenced in earlier.
[3:06:00] Um,
[3:06:04] the rear yards are 30 feet. They're not
[3:06:07] five feet.
[3:06:09] And, uh, the other op comment I think I
[3:06:11] had was is there will be side
[3:06:13] >> yards, but ballpark. Yeah. Sideyards.
[3:06:15] Ball. Ballpark. say what's I know
[3:06:17] they're different because it is R4 but
[3:06:18] what's what's the
[3:06:19] >> we're proposing 5 foot of sideyard 10 ft
[3:06:21] between houses and that's consistent
[3:06:23] with what was done at Magnolia Trace
[3:06:28] » I think unless you guys got any
[3:06:30] questions for me I'll let Ed take care
[3:06:32] of uh some of the comments that he's
[3:06:34] going to address.
[3:06:39] Um, so I don't want to repeat everything
[3:06:42] that Doug said, but um, when it comes to
[3:06:46] the gentleman who lives at the end of
[3:06:48] Ridge Point Avenue, right, Ridge Point
[3:06:50] Drive right now, we're not going to
[3:06:53] block his driveway as mentioned. We're
[3:06:55] going to be um, coming in off of Cloff
[3:06:57] Pike with our construction entrance. If
[3:06:59] when we go to tie in that sewer, um, I
[3:07:02] believe that sewer is on the side of his
[3:07:06] driveway. Um there are ways for us to
[3:07:10] tie in without blocking his driveway. Um
[3:07:13] we can have no parking for our
[3:07:15] contractors on Ridge Point Drive. I I
[3:07:17] know it's a public street. Um but we can
[3:07:20] require that of our contractors. Um and
[3:07:22] then when it comes to the covenants and
[3:07:25] restrictions, I guess that were filed
[3:07:26] for his their neighborhood. There's no
[3:07:29] HOA, but I guess they had to sign off on
[3:07:31] some things. um for those seven lots.
[3:07:35] We would be happy to review those
[3:07:37] covenants and have our homeowners sign
[3:07:40] off to adhere to those covenants. um if
[3:07:44] they're, you know, if if as long as it's
[3:07:47] not related to um you know, some sort of
[3:07:50] square footage requirement that they're
[3:07:52] trying to meet or a building material
[3:07:54] that uh Arbor Homes isn't pro proposing
[3:07:58] um as far as maintenance of their
[3:07:59] property and things like that, we'd have
[3:08:00] no problem uh having our homeowners sign
[3:08:03] off on that. Um, but other than that, I
[3:08:06] will let uh I'll let Ar unless you guys
[3:08:08] have questions. I'll let Arbor Homes
[3:08:10] kind of take it over with the pricing
[3:08:14] and things like that.
[3:08:15] >> We'll definitely have questions for
[3:08:16] because you all are I'm going to say you
[3:08:18] all kind of one. So, I might have you
[3:08:19] all three come up, but yeah, please come
[3:08:21] on up.
[3:08:23] [clears throat]
[3:08:26] » Oh, I'm sorry, gentlemen. I just did
[3:08:27] you, the one of you have questions for
[3:08:28] those guys?
[3:08:29] >> Sorry. Okay, please go ahead.
[3:08:31] >> Yeah. Uh so we do have a a mission
[3:08:34] around affordable home ownership. Um so
[3:08:38] this this home series, the destination
[3:08:40] series is our higherend home. We have an
[3:08:42] arrival series that we came out with in
[3:08:45] the last few years. Starts in the low
[3:08:47] 200s. Um it's pretty sweet, frankly, in
[3:08:51] my view. I think the the two gentlemen
[3:08:52] in the back might might be a fan of
[3:08:55] those kind of projects. Uh that's not
[3:08:57] what we're building here. Um, once
[3:08:59] again, we so we're we're owned by
[3:09:02] Clayton Homes, which is owned by
[3:09:04] Berkshire Hathway. So, we, you know, can
[3:09:06] borrow money at a lower rate than most
[3:09:08] home builders. Berkshire Hathway owns a
[3:09:11] bunch of different like building
[3:09:12] material companies. So, we can buy in
[3:09:15] bulk from them. There's many different
[3:09:16] ways that essentially we can bring
[3:09:19] efficiency to the process and cost
[3:09:22] effectiveness because of our scale that
[3:09:24] allows us to build a quality home for a
[3:09:27] decent price for American families and
[3:09:30] that's what we're here to do. Is there
[3:09:33] anything any questions you guys have
[3:09:35] specifically about the homes?
[3:09:37] >> No.
[3:09:38] >> Mr. Becker, anything?
[3:09:39] >> All right, Mr. Look,
[3:09:41] >> sounds very
[3:09:43] >> uh I do I want I want to ask you so so
[3:09:47] the number 600 was tossed out at the
[3:09:49] zoning case.
[3:09:50] >> Yeah.
[3:09:50] >> And tonight that number was not tossed
[3:09:51] out. So what what are the prices
[3:09:53] ballpark of these homes?
[3:09:55] >> Yeah. 350 to six uh 550, excuse me. Uh
[3:09:59] we have two um so Arbor's at Grandon
[3:10:02] Pond is a subdivision up in uh South
[3:10:05] Lebanon. It's our um Arbor series which
[3:10:09] is different than the destination but
[3:10:10] similar more similar than the arrival
[3:10:13] and that's an average of 450 460 right
[3:10:16] now.
[3:10:17] >> The John Charles Estates in Forest Park
[3:10:19] is averaging around 450 460. We're about
[3:10:23] to open a um a first destination series
[3:10:28] uh community in um Lebanon proper um
[3:10:32] basically next year.
[3:10:33] >> Yeah. And so we don't have, you know,
[3:10:36] sales figures for that product here.
[3:10:38] >> Okay. The uh I'm going to have questions
[3:10:42] for all three of you. So if you want all
[3:10:44] three want to come up, that's fine. So
[3:10:45] no, no, no. Go go go and stay put. But
[3:10:47] uh Okay. So question is is uh
[3:10:50] um
[3:10:53] Okay. If we if we leave it R1, which
[3:10:56] would put you at a half acre, h how many
[3:10:58] houses could you fit there? And then can
[3:11:00] you just jack the price up? Honestly, I
[3:11:04] couldn't tell you that right now. I'd
[3:11:05] have to go back, talk to our marketing
[3:11:07] team, see what the market could support.
[3:11:10] I'd have to talk to the engine.
[3:11:11] >> Well, I'm gonna ask you to give me an
[3:11:12] educated guess. I'm not trying to come
[3:11:13] across too strong, but it's kind of now
[3:11:15] or never tonight. So, so if we kept it
[3:11:17] the same at R1,
[3:11:18] >> yeah,
[3:11:19] >> u ballpark. Um, just we could do some
[3:11:21] math real quick. Ballpark, how many
[3:11:23] homes could you
[3:11:24] >> cram in there? Yeah, that would be R1.
[3:11:27] Uh, give you halfacre lots. And then can
[3:11:29] you just can you just rub the price up a
[3:11:31] little bit to make up the difference?
[3:11:33] >> I could not tell you that because I
[3:11:35] don't know what the R1 standards are.
[3:11:36] >> Uh Mr. Dales, I do have that.
[3:11:38] >> Thank you.
[3:11:39] >> So R1's halfacre standard. So go ahead.
[3:11:41] [clears throat]
[3:11:41] >> So it's a calculation if you take
[3:11:44] >> 51 homes.
[3:11:45] >> 51.
[3:11:46] >> Yeah.
[3:11:47] >> That's flat
[3:11:49] >> just taking the acreage of
[3:11:52] >> 23.63 63 divided by the minimum square
[3:11:55] footage of an R1 lot, which is 20,000.
[3:11:58] That yields 51 homes.
[3:12:00] >> But they couldn't do that much because
[3:12:01] you have to make way for roads for
[3:12:02] roads. So you're looking at 40
[3:12:05] >> 45 44 45 homes after.
[3:12:08] >> Is there a lot width minimum that you
[3:12:11] guys?
[3:12:12] >> Yes. Yep. 100
[3:12:13] >> 100.
[3:12:14] >> Okay.
[3:12:15] >> Yeah. We I mean I Yeah, we don't build
[3:12:19] on 100 foot wide lots. The development
[3:12:21] cost is too much.
[3:12:22] >> Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Okay. The uh um
[3:12:26] I know the terrain is not the best uh
[3:12:28] but the these folks you you hear them
[3:12:31] loud and clear.
[3:12:32] >> Uh and actually it's really not
[3:12:35] >> it's really not their concern or my
[3:12:37] concern. The concern is the the
[3:12:38] residents that are going to be moving
[3:12:40] into there.
[3:12:41] >> Uh it's going to be difficult for them
[3:12:42] to get on a cloth.
[3:12:43] >> Yeah.
[3:12:44] >> Um
[3:12:45] >> I think you can hear everyone avoids
[3:12:47] cloth if we can avoid worst part is it's
[3:12:50] a county road. we can't do anything to
[3:12:53] that road even if we wanted to. Um, and
[3:12:55] really they need to put a center lane
[3:12:56] there. At least put a center lane there
[3:12:57] so people can turn left, get in the
[3:12:59] center lane, then merge over to the
[3:13:00] right. At least do that. Uh, but but
[3:13:02] regardless, that's that's a that's a
[3:13:04] conversation for our county, not for
[3:13:06] Union Township.
[3:13:07] >> So my question is is uh
[3:13:11] what can you do to make Shaylor happen
[3:13:14] to put put the entrance and exit there
[3:13:16] and reroute this plan?
[3:13:17] >> Yeah.
[3:13:18] >> To make it happen.
[3:13:18] >> I'm going to turn that over. That's why
[3:13:20] I said maybe all three of you can all
[3:13:21] come up
[3:13:22] >> because I
[3:13:24] is there is there is there
[3:13:27] >> emergency response.
[3:13:30] >> All right. So appreciate it if nobody uh
[3:13:32] caused any problems because obviously
[3:13:33] our chief of police isn't here so you
[3:13:34] know don't don't beat us up. Um but okay
[3:13:37] so hey uh I can you can you um
[3:13:40] >> is there any chance you can still make
[3:13:42] your money do what you want to do? I
[3:13:44] know the train's a little rough but make
[3:13:46] it happen to exit out of Shaylor. Is
[3:13:48] that possible? And can the can the
[3:13:50] township work with you folks to make
[3:13:51] that happen?
[3:13:56] [cough]
[3:13:56] >> It's not cost effective to go that way.
[3:13:59] Just
[3:14:00] >> okay.
[3:14:00] >> The terrain's just too steep. And
[3:14:02] secondly, there's a 12 in public water
[3:14:04] man that runs along the up on the
[3:14:08] ridgetop there. That would and require
[3:14:11] more cost uh to relocate that water
[3:14:13] line.
[3:14:14] >> Got it. Got it. Um
[3:14:17] All right. So to go back to
[3:14:21] in the reason why you adjusted your old
[3:14:23] plans to your new plans now, is that
[3:14:25] because uh the folks in the neighborhood
[3:14:28] basically didn't want drive-through
[3:14:30] traffic? Is that is that correct?
[3:14:31] >> That's correct. Okay.
[3:14:32] >> But we lost two lots.
[3:14:34] >> Yeah. Is there is there a way?
[3:14:38] All right. No, fair enough. Okay. All
[3:14:39] right. Got it. Um Okay. What what I went
[3:14:43] done and y'all may want to talk about
[3:14:45] this before we vote and give us give us
[3:14:46] your opinion is for the front house. So
[3:14:49] Mr. Schaefer, he's the one that owns the
[3:14:51] nice beautiful house in the front of
[3:14:52] your house there on Kluff. Um
[3:14:56] the I would like for you all to take
[3:14:58] care of his fence. Okay. Can you all do
[3:14:59] that?
[3:15:02] >> Yes. I was actually I meant to talk
[3:15:04] about Mr. Schaefer when I was up here,
[3:15:06] but yeah, happy to work
[3:15:07] >> out of everyone. Now, the gentleman next
[3:15:09] to lot number 52 is affected big time,
[3:15:11] but out of everyone, everyone is
[3:15:14] entering and exiting by his house. He's
[3:15:16] the one that's affected the most. And
[3:15:17] honestly, I can't believe how positive
[3:15:18] he was because if it was me, I would be
[3:15:20] 100% against him if I was him. So, um I want you to take care of his fence.
[3:15:24] Can you can you do that? The second part
[3:15:26] is is uh
[3:15:29] um
[3:15:36] all right here's the part where you may
[3:15:38] not like it and I need you all to
[3:15:39] discuss this part. So how how wide is
[3:15:42] lot 52 which is the one closest to uh
[3:15:45] Mr. Sheman right there at the end
[3:15:48] ballpark do you have a
[3:15:49] >> it's 60 feet wide.
[3:15:51] >> Okay.
[3:15:54] Yeah. And then how how how wide is lot
[3:15:56] 53, the one right next to it?
[3:15:58] >> I know. I know.
[3:16:00] >> If you're asking me if I can get the lot
[3:16:02] next to Mr. Sheman a little wider, I I I
[3:16:05] can we can do that. We can accommodate
[3:16:07] that.
[3:16:08] >> I mean, do you want me to go to 65 ft? I
[3:16:10] can make it 65.
[3:16:12] What I would do I would increase the
[3:16:14] setback on the culdeac a little bit
[3:16:17] >> and and and was able to shift those lots
[3:16:20] around and and and pull some distance
[3:16:24] out of the lots in the back of the
[3:16:25] culdeac and make Mr. that lot next to
[3:16:28] Mr. Sheen wider.
[3:16:29] >> Well, and and uh I'm surprised that the homeowner by lot number 58's not
[3:16:34] here. So, I don't want those two
[3:16:36] residents affected at all.
[3:16:39] Yeah, he he I mean his lot's a little
[3:16:41] wider now. Anyway, I can tell you how
[3:16:42] wide his lot is.
[3:16:44] >> But I I do not want these two residents
[3:16:46] affected at all. At all. Zero. None.
[3:16:48] Non-negotiable. So, uh I I don't want
[3:16:51] any dirt in their land. Don't affect
[3:16:53] their property. Any drainage at all. No
[3:16:55] dirt. I don't want it. So, and I'll tell
[3:16:57] you, our our zoning inspector, people
[3:16:59] either love him or hate him. Uh but he he he will be on this. And so, uh,
[3:17:04] um,
[3:17:05] can you eliminate lot number 52 and
[3:17:08] still make do and only put seven homes
[3:17:10] or six homes around the culde-sac?
[3:17:14] » I don't want to.
[3:17:16] >> Yeah,
[3:17:16] >> obviously. We've we've sacrificed two
[3:17:19] lots.
[3:17:20] >> Yeah.
[3:17:21] >> From our initial plan,
[3:17:24] I mean, I I would prefer to keep the lot
[3:17:27] obviously and work with the homeowners.
[3:17:35] Okay.
[3:17:38] » You can make it 65 ft.
[3:17:42] >> Okay. The uh
[3:17:48] foot. Okay. The uh
[3:17:53] I think that's all the questions I got.
[3:17:54] Uh
[3:17:56] Mr. Becker, you have anything for these
[3:17:57] guys? Mr. Loie, anything else?
[3:18:05] So, um I I like the questions you're
[3:18:09] asking, Mr. Dills, as far as uh you
[3:18:11] know, the sacrificing of additional
[3:18:13] lots. I was just pondering the previous plan and the road all the
[3:18:18] way through and the sacrifice of those
[3:18:20] two lots that you're talking about, but
[3:18:21] I think that on total more homeowners in
[3:18:26] Ridge Point would not be happy with a road going all the way through,
[3:18:32] but it sounds like it alleviates more
[3:18:33] traffic concerns that uh Mr. Schaefer
[3:18:37] shared. So, I thought that was a pretty
[3:18:39] valid point um for the traffic concerns
[3:18:43] that everyone has and the concern that
[3:18:46] you have about eliminating two lots or
[3:18:49] so and them not wanting to eliminate
[3:18:50] four lots in total. So, I'm saying on
[3:18:54] balance
[3:18:55] a road going through and instead of
[3:18:58] eliminating four that he's asking for,
[3:19:00] just eliminate those two that are
[3:19:01] closest to
[3:19:03] uh Mr. Sheetman and and the other
[3:19:06] gentlemen.
[3:19:08] Um, so that was just a a thought. Happy
[3:19:12] to hear any anyone's comments on that. I
[3:19:15] don't know if you even you crack
[3:19:17] tracking that you like that concept.
[3:19:20] >> Uh, lot 58. How how wide is that one?
[3:19:30] [clears throat]
[3:19:31] >> As they're looking at that,
[3:19:36] it's got a radius so it's impossible.
[3:19:38] It's 35 ft wide in the back and it's
[3:19:42] probably if you measure it across the
[3:19:44] front about 62
[3:19:49] » at at the setback
[3:19:51] >> it's it's 70 ft but what we do is is
[3:19:55] >> the house is approximately 60 ft deep.
[3:19:57] So at the rear of the house we maintain
[3:19:59] the minimum 60 foot. Good.
[3:20:01] >> So if you go 60 ft back we're we're at
[3:20:04] 60 ft.
[3:20:05] >> Okay. So, uh, again, we could work with
[3:20:08] the setbacks on lots 54, 55, 56, and 57.
[3:20:12] Make those a little larger. Make those
[3:20:13] lots a little pull them in a little bit
[3:20:16] and and get some additional uh space for
[3:20:19] lots 52 and 58 and make them 65 ft each.
[3:20:22] We could do that.
[3:20:23] >> Okay.
[3:20:24] Fair enough. Yeah. Go ahead,
[3:20:26] >> M. I mean, that's that's another that's
[3:20:28] another answer to the same question. So,
[3:20:30] >> all right.
[3:20:30] >> Um,
[3:20:34] » I don't have any other questions.
[3:20:36] >> Just just there's a couple things from
[3:20:38] the community that was was brought up.
[3:20:39] Um, and that was following following the
[3:20:42] rules or changing the rules mid middle
[3:20:44] of the game. Um,
[3:20:47] [snorts]
[3:20:48] Ohio Revised Code 519.12.
[3:20:51] I essentially gives you guys the the
[3:20:53] ability, any land owner, to amend or
[3:20:56] bring forward plans like you're bringing
[3:20:57] forward today. Um, so that is kind of
[3:21:00] the rule book that that as land owners
[3:21:04] and everybody has that right. Um,
[3:21:09] >> um, has the township covered any of your
[3:21:11] expenses given you have we given any tax
[3:21:15] abatements?
[3:21:16] >> No.
[3:21:16] tax baitments. We do we have we ever
[3:21:18] given any tax abatements?
[3:21:20] >> No, I've not.
[3:21:20] >> No. Okay. I just just to clear up things
[3:21:22] in the community because a lot of res a
[3:21:24] lot of residents rightfully so place a
[3:21:27] lot of frustration and anger with with taxes and and their costs and
[3:21:32] associate it to poor judgment decision-m
[3:21:35] that maybe goes on um that they perceive
[3:21:39] anyway and other communities and and and
[3:21:42] so we have to try to be clear about what
[3:21:45] it is that we're actually doing. So no,
[3:21:46] we've not covered any of your costs, not
[3:21:49] giving you any tax incentives. We're not
[3:21:51] giving you any tax abatements.
[3:21:53] >> Um,
[3:21:54] >> and you're following state code and we are following state code by hearing
[3:22:00] from you.
[3:22:01] >> Okay, I'm good. Thank you.
[3:22:02] >> Was was so the traffic count was done.
[3:22:04] Was any of it done during the school
[3:22:05] year? Because I'll tell you this West
[3:22:07] Claremont's not too far from your
[3:22:08] location.
[3:22:10] This is why everyone's right now it's
[3:22:11] not awful on cloth. It's not great, but
[3:22:14] it's not awful. But when school opens
[3:22:15] up, gosh, is it next week or this week?
[3:22:18] Next week. Next week.
[3:22:21] We hate Kluff Pike. We hate it. We hate
[3:22:23] No one wants to drive on it. So, so when
[3:22:25] was the traffic study done and and was
[3:22:27] the school taken into account?
[3:22:29] >> The school was taken into account, but I
[3:22:30] cannot tell you when the traffic I was
[3:22:32] not the traffic engineer for the
[3:22:33] project. So, I cannot tell you when it
[3:22:35] was done. I I if I had to say, I'd say
[3:22:38] it was not done during during schools in
[3:22:40] session.
[3:22:43] >> Okay. And West Clara doesn't have busing
[3:22:45] at the high school. No.
[3:22:47] >> So more cars if they use like a average.
[3:22:52] >> Okay. Okay. Perfect. I think that's all
[3:22:53] the questions that we have. Anything
[3:22:54] else?
[3:22:55] >> Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Thank
[3:22:57] you, gentlemen, very much.
[3:22:58] >> Thank you. Thanks, guys.
[3:23:02] » Okay. All right. Last call. Is there
[3:23:04] anyone else that like to speak on this
[3:23:05] before we we discuss and vote? Okay.
[3:23:07] Come on up, sir. Please. Go ahead.
[3:23:14] All right. Do you resto tell the truth,
[3:23:16] the whole truth and about the truth? So
[3:23:17] hope you got it.
[3:23:18] >> Yes, I do.
[3:23:18] >> And then just uh clearly state your name
[3:23:20] and address for the record.
[3:23:21] >> Uh Chris Miller, 1072 Rid Point.
[3:23:25] >> Um one thing I wanted to bring up just
[3:23:26] real quickly is um we're talking about
[3:23:29] how the traffic is bad on club. Um I
[3:23:32] exit out of Buck Buckton, out of our
[3:23:34] neighborhood all the time. And it's just
[3:23:36] as bad during school when people it's
[3:23:39] lined up all the way past Shaylor. Uh
[3:23:42] people going in and out of the the
[3:23:43] neighborhood. you can't make a left turn
[3:23:45] out of there. Same thing with rush hour
[3:23:47] in the morning. So, um, as far as the
[3:23:50] traffic being, um, you know, heavier on
[3:23:52] Cl or heavier on Buck Buckton, I think
[3:23:55] it's equal because I drive that road
[3:23:56] every single day during rush hour and
[3:24:00] it's extremely busy and backed up. I
[3:24:03] mean, you can be backed up all the way
[3:24:05] to Cleer on rush hour. Okay? So, um, I
[3:24:10] just want to let you know that, you
[3:24:11] know, having this plan there. I like
[3:24:14] this plan with the court. You're having
[3:24:17] at least seven homes there that are
[3:24:18] exiting out our Buck Buckton way and the
[3:24:22] rest of the people will be exiting out
[3:24:23] of club. Now, it is tough both ways
[3:24:26] during the course of the day.
[3:24:27] >> Just want to make that point, make that
[3:24:29] point clear because I I know we're not
[3:24:31] talking about Buck Buckton much, but
[3:24:32] it's just as bad on Buck Buckton during
[3:24:35] the school day.
[3:24:35] >> Fair enough. Yeah. Appreciate you. Thank
[3:24:37] you, sir. Thank you.
[3:24:41] Okay. Is there anyone else?
[3:24:43] >> You you you want to talk or no?
[3:24:45] >> Oh, okay.
[3:24:48] >> No sweat. Okay.
[3:24:51] >> The uh it's okay. Is there anyone else
[3:24:53] before I close public hearing?
[3:24:56] >> Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. No, you got to
[3:24:58] come to the podium, please. Come on.
[3:25:03] » How can we do a traffic study and nobody
[3:25:05] knows what it said?
[3:25:06] >> Well, we know what it says. We just
[3:25:08] don't know what time of the year they
[3:25:08] took it.
[3:25:09] >> July.
[3:25:10] >> I mean,
[3:25:10] >> July this month. Okay. July. Okay.
[3:25:14] >> And And I mean, really, we're asking
[3:25:17] questions about the traffic study and
[3:25:18] they're like, "Well, we don't know. We
[3:25:19] don't know. I just think we should have
[3:25:21] more information on that."
[3:25:24] >> No. Yeah. I I I get it. I get it. They
[3:25:26] Yeah, I I understand. So, Mr. Phil, so
[3:25:29] >> there's not a lot of information there.
[3:25:30] >> So, with the traffic study, no one in
[3:25:33] this room is a traffic engineer,
[3:25:35] >> right? The county engineer is the
[3:25:37] traffic engineer. The county engineer
[3:25:39] has looked at the traffic study. So they
[3:25:42] have a certified traffic engineer that
[3:25:44] provides the county with a study. This
[3:25:46] is how it typically goes. The county
[3:25:48] looks at it. They look at the
[3:25:49] assumptions. They look at the volumes.
[3:25:52] Sometimes when they do a traffic study,
[3:25:53] they will take actual numbers and then
[3:25:55] they will take background traffic
[3:25:57] volumes and they have those counts. They
[3:26:00] pull from OKI, they pull from ODOT, they
[3:26:02] pull from local county counts. And then
[3:26:05] they make assumptions based on the
[3:26:07] behavior of the existing traffic and
[3:26:10] then based on the proposed traffic and
[3:26:12] then they forward that to the county
[3:26:14] engineers office. County engineers
[3:26:16] office looks at that and makes a
[3:26:18] determination as to whether additional
[3:26:20] improvements are needed or not needed.
[3:26:22] And that usually there's a threshold
[3:26:25] depending on existing traffic, existing
[3:26:28] subdivision u whether it makes a
[3:26:31] connection or not. the traffic
[3:26:32] assumptions that are that are coming
[3:26:34] from the new development and that's
[3:26:36] where they make a determination as to
[3:26:37] whether additional improvements are
[3:26:39] required specific to that project.
[3:26:42] >> And so they said no addition
[3:26:44] >> the county said this configuration
[3:26:46] results in no additional improvements.
[3:26:55] » Hold up. Mr. M, you got to come up here
[3:26:57] and talk if you want to talk.
[3:26:58] >> It's okay. How come there was never a
[3:27:00] counter on the road?
[3:27:01] >> Well, so a couple of reasons. So the
[3:27:03] county already has counts related to
[3:27:07] Bach Buckton and Shaylor because they've
[3:27:09] had to study all this area for the Bach
[3:27:12] Bucks and Shaylor roundabout projects
[3:27:14] which are supposed to hopefully let
[3:27:17] in 27. And I think there's been public
[3:27:20] comment period. They've had that open
[3:27:22] for public comment. I know the county
[3:27:24] asked us about some fire and AMS
[3:27:26] concerns about that project, about
[3:27:28] access and whatever. So, they're working
[3:27:30] through that federally prescribed
[3:27:32] process. So, the county has counts. They
[3:27:35] have existing traffic counts. They take
[3:27:37] traffic counts throughout the year. When
[3:27:38] I work for the city of Leland, they had
[3:27:40] traffic counts,
[3:27:41] >> but not on that stretch.
[3:27:42] >> No, no, no. They have traffic counts on
[3:27:44] all parts of the road. They have a very
[3:27:47] sophisticated data set. The county looks
[3:27:51] at traffic all the time. They count it.
[3:27:54] OKI counts it. ODOT counts it. County
[3:27:57] engineer counts it. The And the other
[3:28:00] thing is the counters. Are you thinking
[3:28:02] about the little strips?
[3:28:03] >> Yeah.
[3:28:03] >> They don't use those anymore. They use
[3:28:05] camera counters. They're like laser
[3:28:07] [clears throat] beam
[3:28:07] >> counters cameras.
[3:28:08] >> You wouldn't see them. They're very
[3:28:10] small.
[3:28:11] >> Very small.
[3:28:12] >> They don't use Those are old school. I
[3:28:15] I'm with you. When I see those, those
[3:28:16] are old traffic counters. I tell you
[3:28:18] what,
[3:28:18] >> the strips,
[3:28:20] >> my grandparents have owned that house
[3:28:22] that I live in since I was 14 years old.
[3:28:26] I sit on that porch.
[3:28:28] Well, pardon me, since I was 12.
[3:28:31] I'm 64 years old. I can do any traffic
[3:28:35] study better than any of you.
[3:28:39] [clears throat]
[3:28:42] And that is the most dangerous
[3:28:45] stretch of road I've ever seen.
[3:28:50] And
[3:28:54] uh I've never seen a camera. I have
[3:28:57] never seen a leprechaun out there
[3:28:59] counting.
[3:29:01] Okay.
[3:29:02] And looking up at this, you only got one
[3:29:07] way in off cluff,
[3:29:09] no way out. you let a uh a gas leak or
[3:29:16] something and that subdivision needs to
[3:29:18] get out of there quickly. Best of luck.
[3:29:22] There's no way to evacuate.
[3:29:26] And he says, "Oh, I've got to cut 12
[3:29:29] feet.
[3:29:31] Uh shave it down." I thought he was an
[3:29:34] engineer.
[3:29:37] >> I'm not being sarcastic.
[3:29:38] >> It's okay. That's okay. He's got 12 feet
[3:29:41] to cut down
[3:29:43] >> to go on Shaylor. I mean, I'm getting a
[3:29:46] little upset here.
[3:29:48] >> I got 11 grandb babies.
[3:29:51] We got people on that street.
[3:29:54] That's dangerous.
[3:29:57] Chief,
[3:29:58] I hope you get two two officers out
[3:30:01] there like you did at Glenn Esby High
[3:30:03] School because we need [clears throat]
[3:30:07] » Okay. Is there any other discuss
[3:30:12] right
[3:30:16] now people with this being 350 ft from
[3:30:20] the traffic light they're blasting
[3:30:21] through there they're trying to make the
[3:30:23] traffic light
[3:30:24] >> in both directions 50 55 it's like
[3:30:27] pulling out on a 32
[3:30:28] >> when
[3:30:29] >> so you're exactly right if the speed
[3:30:32] lower a little bit
[3:30:35] as dangerous
[3:30:46] Okay. All right. Is there anyone else?
[3:30:49] Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. All
[3:30:50] right. The uh Hold on. I lost my agenda. All right. There we go. Okay.
[3:30:58] Uh, gentlemen, entertain a motion to
[3:31:01] close the public hearing for zoning case
[3:31:03] 3-26-Z
[3:31:04] and Zulu.
[3:31:05] >> So moved.
[3:31:06] >> Second.
[3:31:07] >> Mr. Campbell, roll call.
[3:31:09] >> Mr. Becker,
[3:31:09] >> yes. Mr. Lo,
[3:31:11] >> yes.
[3:31:11] >> Mr. Dills,
[3:31:12] >> yes.
[3:31:13] >> Public hearing session is closed at 9:31
[3:31:16] p.m.
[3:31:16] >> All right. Uh, gentlemen, is now time
[3:31:19] for trustee discussion. Uh, vice
[3:31:21] chairman, sir.
[3:31:28] Mr. Chairman, I
[3:31:28] >> already know.
[3:31:34] » He knows what I'm going to say.
[3:31:37] >> I guess I'm a broken record. I've been
[3:31:38] saying it for five years.
[3:31:42] I have
[3:31:44] never voted for a housing development.
[3:31:49] And there's a couple of reasons for
[3:31:51] that. One of which a lot of what we
[3:31:54] heard tonight, a lot of the grievances,
[3:31:57] it's all part of it. Part of it also
[3:32:02] is I value our zoning that is er that's
[3:32:07] um estate residential.
[3:32:09] Was that minimum two acres? I think
[3:32:12] estate residential and R1
[3:32:16] and I don't want to see that diminished.
[3:32:21] So unless there's a compelling reason,
[3:32:24] I've never said no never to a zoning
[3:32:26] change, I've never said no never to a
[3:32:28] housing development.
[3:32:31] But in my mind, there's got to be a
[3:32:33] compelling reason for me, I guess, to go
[3:32:36] against those values that I hold, the
[3:32:39] values many of you all hold, and the
[3:32:43] platform I ran on when I ran for this
[3:32:44] job five years ago.
[3:32:48] >> Beautiful. Um
[3:32:50] what's that?
[3:32:51] >> Nothing. Go ahead.
[3:32:52] >> So um you know with that, Mr. Chairman,
[3:32:55] I I intend to vote no on this.
[3:32:58] >> Mr. Lucer,
[3:33:00] um heard a lot of uh
[3:33:05] eloquent speakers. Uh tonight I've got
[3:33:08] four pages of notes.
[3:33:10] um try to balance
[3:33:13] uh the state code
[3:33:17] of what land owners are able to do with
[3:33:20] their land
[3:33:22] and bring that forward. Um
[3:33:26] you know, I know we've been asked to
[3:33:30] basically deny based off of um the
[3:33:33] pricing. It's nothing we can set. We
[3:33:35] can't determine the pricing. Uh we can't
[3:33:37] pick and choose.
[3:33:39] uh winners and losers. Um I believe in
[3:33:44] American values and uh free market and
[3:33:48] uh you know what I what I see what's
[3:33:49] presented before us is
[3:33:52] um a land owner choosing to do with
[3:33:55] their land uh and trying to work with
[3:33:57] the community uh where they can um where community members live on their
[3:34:04] land. And uh we've seen great um I think
[3:34:09] interaction commentary by like Mr.
[3:34:11] Schaefer uh very very impacted uh by
[3:34:16] this right there on Cliff Pike. Um
[3:34:22] and the developer
[3:34:24] wanting to work with with Mr. Schaefer
[3:34:27] uh for that screenage and and and and
[3:34:30] the fencing. Um and uh you know as Mr.
[3:34:34] right eloquently spoke,
[3:34:37] uh, we are not the traffic engineers. We
[3:34:39] don't have the engineering authority.
[3:34:40] That is not something that is in our
[3:34:44] jurisdiction and power to to be able to
[3:34:46] do. Um, other residents here uh may agree or disagree with perspectives,
[3:34:56] you know, shared tonight and absolutely
[3:34:59] right. there is a statutory
[3:35:02] uh pathway to to to follow to referendum
[3:35:06] any type of vote and and hear from the
[3:35:08] community and I'm all for that. Uh it's
[3:35:10] exactly why I was elected and am in in
[3:35:14] the position to try to balance the fine
[3:35:17] art of governing which is not just black
[3:35:19] and white and you don't get to just be
[3:35:21] black and white when you're trying to
[3:35:23] govern. Um it is um complex at times. Uh
[3:35:29] I wish it could just be very simple. Um
[3:35:33] same rate I wouldn't want to just give
[3:35:35] the land owner a very easy way to come
[3:35:39] sue the township and earn costs. That is
[3:35:44] also right also taking care of being
[3:35:48] conservative values for you the
[3:35:51] residents and where time and resources
[3:35:54] go. Um so with that it's pretty clear uh
[3:36:00] that there's a plan that is
[3:36:03] ready to move forward uh tonight um that
[3:36:07] has been presented. So I think that's
[3:36:09] last of my my my comment uh to it.
[3:36:13] >> Mr. Dills. All right. So
[3:36:16] Mr. Mr. Mayor, one one question is uh so
[3:36:19] Bridge Ridge Point Drive that that
[3:36:20] neighborhood right there and then all
[3:36:21] the houses to the south of that picture
[3:36:25] based off what you said you would you
[3:36:27] would vote that down as well. So half
[3:36:30] these folks in this room wouldn't have a
[3:36:31] home if you were their trustee because
[3:36:33] those those uh lot sizes are the same
[3:36:36] size and actually they're a little bit
[3:36:38] smaller than the culde-sac. Now, the
[3:36:40] rest of the homes are a little bit
[3:36:41] equal, maybe a little bit more, but the
[3:36:43] culde-sac ones are actually a little bit
[3:36:44] more than the rest on Rich Point as far
[3:36:46] as uh land area. So, you would have
[3:36:49] voted all those down to the right to the
[3:36:51] south based off your logic.
[3:36:53] >> Yeah, they would have vote they would
[3:36:54] have built it on R1 instead.
[3:36:55] >> True. Yeah. Which would they have been
[3:36:57] able to afford it at the time based off
[3:36:59] that because obviously more land, more cost. So, um
[3:37:03] >> more parking on the street.
[3:37:05] >> That's true. Yeah, that's true. the uh so I'll say uh I've said this uh
[3:37:11] almost every time we have a housing
[3:37:12] development come in whether it be multif
[3:37:14] family or in this case single family
[3:37:15] residential um uh one thing that when it
[3:37:18] comes to housing uh Mr. Becker and I and
[3:37:21] of course Mr. We we all agree that we we
[3:37:23] do not like multif family. We don't we don't unless it's a a mixeduse
[3:37:27] and there's only one apartment that I've
[3:37:29] voted yes on. It was because it was
[3:37:30] mixed use meaning first floor retail and
[3:37:32] second floor apartment buildings. Um
[3:37:35] that's the only way I would ever be
[3:37:36] considerate uh right now at this point.
[3:37:38] And so um you know when we got elected
[3:37:42] residents said we need more middle class
[3:37:44] single family residential homes. That
[3:37:45] that's been clear. Um and it sounds like
[3:37:47] there isn't really that many people
[3:37:49] against this development. It's just the
[3:37:50] fact that it exits out on Kluff Pike,
[3:37:52] which I happen to agree with everyone
[3:37:53] because I drive Kluff Pike twice every
[3:37:55] day myself. Uh so, um
[3:38:01] yeah, and it's unfortunate because with
[3:38:04] pre precoid, uh 200 to 250,000 was your
[3:38:07] average middle class nice house and that
[3:38:09] 250,000 has now become gosh 450 500,000.
[3:38:12] So, um but this isn't going to attract
[3:38:15] riffraff. the I mean, you're not going
[3:38:17] to buy a $500,000 house and cause
[3:38:20] problems in the township. You're just
[3:38:22] not. This isn't affordable housing, uh,
[3:38:25] meaning section 8. Uh, it's it's it's,
[3:38:28] uh, it's a good development. I I do hate
[3:38:31] the fact that it's on cluff. I hate
[3:38:32] that. Hate it. Capital H. Hate it. I
[3:38:34] don't like it at all. Um, but it is a
[3:38:37] good development. Uh, so, uh, gentlemen,
[3:38:40] I both want you to hear this. As far as
[3:38:41] this, uh, I'm going to need, uh, I'm
[3:38:43] going to put in here my contingencies
[3:38:44] that Lot 52 and lot 58 need to be 65 ft
[3:38:47] wide. I'm also going to include that,
[3:38:49] uh, they need to pay for Mr. Schaer's
[3:38:50] fence, uh, incomplete, uh, completely.
[3:38:53] So, just so you know, doesn't affect
[3:38:55] you, Mr. Becker, but just, so, you know,
[3:38:56] um, [clears throat]
[3:38:57] >> well, the motion would
[3:38:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Say it again.
[3:39:01] >> When you wrap up one comment question,
[3:39:08] » Yeah. That's all I got.
[3:39:11] Mr. Wright, is there a pathway for the
[3:39:14] developer to pursue a special assessment
[3:39:15] on these homes? I don't know if it would
[3:39:18] generate enough for traffic improvements
[3:39:20] on Cliff Pike, but
[3:39:22] so the answer is maybe. Um, you know, it
[3:39:25] all has to do with the amount of the
[3:39:28] construction cost and I know there have
[3:39:31] been other neighborhoods where a special
[3:39:32] assessment district has been formed.
[3:39:34] Again, for the benefit of the audience,
[3:39:36] a special assessment district means the
[3:39:38] people in the development are paying
[3:39:39] extra. They're paying more into a
[3:39:42] special assessment district over a
[3:39:44] period of time to either backs stop
[3:39:47] bonds or reimburse expenditures or to
[3:39:50] provide funding for future improvements.
[3:39:52] And so there is that mechanism. Um,
[3:39:57] >> do we do that before and after? It's an
[3:39:59] after the fact.
[3:39:59] >> It's after the fact. It's it would not
[3:40:03] be really germanine issue, but there are
[3:40:06] >> there are avenues if if the developer
[3:40:08] wanted to do that.
[3:40:10] >> Um, okay.
[3:40:11] >> Road improvements are very expensive. I
[3:40:13] will just tell you they're
[3:40:15] >> I I
[3:40:17] don't remember the number for the lock
[3:40:19] bucks and roundabouts, but they're
[3:40:20] creeping up on $12 million.
[3:40:21] >> So, that gives you an idea. So,
[3:40:25] um, what I will say before we wrap up
[3:40:27] is, uh, I I don't want one single
[3:40:30] complaint from the two neighbors living
[3:40:31] next to lot number 58, lot number 52,
[3:40:34] uh, at all. Uh, I appreciate you putting
[3:40:37] the culde-sac in. I think that appease
[3:40:39] the folks at Ridge Point. Um,
[3:40:42] yeah. Okay, we good. Okay. All right,
[3:40:46] gentlemen. I'll entertain a motion for
[3:40:47] the approval of Union Township zoning
[3:40:48] case 3-26-Z is in Zulu uh with
[3:40:52] modifications as recommended including
[3:40:54] uh lot 52 lot 58 uh 65 ft wide and a
[3:40:58] fence fully paid for for Mr. Schaefer.
[3:41:00] >> So moved.
[3:41:01] >> Second.
[3:41:02] >> Uh any further discussion? Mr. Campbell.
[3:41:04] Roll call.
[3:41:04] >> Mr. Becker.
[3:41:05] >> No.
[3:41:06] >> Mr. Log.
[3:41:07] >> Yes.
[3:41:08] >> Mr. Dills.
[3:41:09] >> Yes.
[3:41:09] >> Motion carries.
[3:41:11] >> Okay. Uh moving on to our second zoning
[3:41:13] case of the night. Uh, it'll be Union
[3:41:16] Township zoning case 4-26-ZOU
[3:41:19] and uh, Mr. Flowy, you're up. Go ahead.
[3:41:21] Oh, we'll wait to wait till they folks
[3:41:23] exit.
[3:41:25] [clears throat]
[3:41:30] » Okay,
[3:41:33] get ready for round two.
[3:41:34] >> Okay, I think that's good. Okay, go
[3:41:35] ahead. Go ahead, Mr.
[3:41:36] >> Thank you, Mr. Dills. This is for a
[3:41:39] zoning map amendment for 4-26-Z.
[3:41:43] It's called Bishop's Grove subdivision.
[3:41:45] The applicant has submitted an
[3:41:47] application requesting that two parcels
[3:41:49] totaling 4.77 acres be reszoned from R2
[3:41:52] single family detach residential
[3:41:55] district to the R4
[3:41:57] family variable residential district in
[3:42:00] order to allow for the proposed concept
[3:42:02] plan subdivision development consisting
[3:42:04] of 18 lots for single family dwelling
[3:42:07] units, landscaping elements, greening,
[3:42:09] entry monument signage, and open spaces.
[3:42:13] Some land use and zoning
[3:42:14] characteristics. The current land uses
[3:42:16] in the vicinity are are mostly
[3:42:19] consistent of residential uses with the
[3:42:22] exception of some institutional uses
[3:42:25] such as the church across the street and
[3:42:27] Crocker auto parts the west. All
[3:42:29] adjacent parcels consisting of the R2
[3:42:31] family detached residential in the area.
[3:42:35] The adjacent Willowbrook and Shepardwood
[3:42:37] subdivisions consist of lots with an
[3:42:39] average width of 70 ft and a depth of
[3:42:44] 130 ft. With the horizon 2030 land use
[3:42:48] plan indicates the proposed development
[3:42:50] is not located in a designated corridor.
[3:42:54] However, the R4 district allows for
[3:42:56] creative design yielding the greatest
[3:42:58] green space in retaining vegetation
[3:43:00] compared to the traditional zoning. The
[3:43:05] square the single family dwelling
[3:43:07] densities are up to four units per acre
[3:43:11] and the proposal readily achieves that
[3:43:13] through a density of 3.77
[3:43:16] units an acre.
[3:43:18] Moving with some background information.
[3:43:20] The subject properties have been located
[3:43:24] in the R2 districts since the
[3:43:26] institution of zoning in 1959. The
[3:43:29] principal structure was built in 1937
[3:43:31] according to the auditor's site and has
[3:43:33] several nonconformities. In addition,
[3:43:35] these properties have been in violation
[3:43:38] of the zoning resolution multiple times
[3:43:40] in the recent past and has been resolved
[3:43:43] by the zoning inspector. Some staff
[3:43:46] review and analysis of the application
[3:43:48] shows that the proposal yields the
[3:43:51] zoning map and conceptual plans are
[3:43:54] consistent with the R4 district
[3:43:56] regulations and adopted single family
[3:43:58] use recommendations. The there are 18
[3:44:02] single family housing lots located on
[3:44:08] located within this subdivision with a
[3:44:10] width of an average lot of 50 ft at the
[3:44:13] building lot setback line and 100 ft in
[3:44:16] depths. Some of the open space there are
[3:44:19] four additional lots to be dedicated
[3:44:21] totaling approximately 1.39 acres or
[3:44:24] 29.2% 2% of the total site to be
[3:44:28] maintained by the HOA.
[3:44:31] Uh landscaping, buffering, screening,
[3:44:32] and pedestrian access is included with a
[3:44:35] 36 inch high mound consisting of white
[3:44:38] and white and pine trees and has been
[3:44:42] proposed along the adjacent properties
[3:44:44] to the north and south.
[3:44:46] The areas that have been in indicated
[3:44:51] here as uh with vegetation should be
[3:44:54] labeled as preserved. The installation
[3:44:56] of a sidewalk should be along both sides
[3:44:58] of Bishop's Way and along the Shephard
[3:45:02] Road as consistent with the 2030 plan
[3:45:05] goals. Some lot configuration and
[3:45:07] orientation. A minimum setback should be
[3:45:10] set for the proposed lot to ensure
[3:45:13] enforcement with the zoning is
[3:45:15] consistent throughout and a signage
[3:45:17] package should be submitted so the
[3:45:18] proposed monument signage can be in
[3:45:21] accordance with article 9 of the zoning
[3:45:23] resolution.
[3:45:25] The zoning commission recommended
[3:45:27] approval for the site with seven
[3:45:30] modifications. This was unanimous in
[3:45:33] case number 4-26-Z
[3:45:37] and the action required tonight is in
[3:45:39] accordance with section 650 through 659
[3:45:42] of the zoning resolution that the board
[3:45:44] of trustees is to enter a motion to
[3:45:46] approve as recommended by the zoning
[3:45:48] commission approve with additional
[3:45:50] modifications or deny the zoning map
[3:45:53] amendment in accompanying concept plan
[3:45:55] as presented in Union Township zoning
[3:45:58] case 4-26-Z
[3:46:01] And that concludes my report.
[3:46:03] >> John, Mr. Floody. Um, by the way, for
[3:46:07] all all you folks that have been waiting
[3:46:08] for this zoning case, just apologies um
[3:46:10] for the delay as far as how long it
[3:46:12] took. But no matter what, I like to get
[3:46:14] every single person a chance to voice
[3:46:17] their thoughts. Uh, so for what it's
[3:46:19] worth. Uh, okay. Uh, uh, vice chairman,
[3:46:23] any questions for Mr. Flouty?
[3:46:24] >> No. [clears throat]
[3:46:25] >> No, I'm good.
[3:46:26] >> Mr. Lo,
[3:46:27] >> no, I'm good. Thank you.
[3:46:28] >> Uh, Mr. Flouty, you mentioned HOA. Is
[3:46:30] that a new HOA or is it going to be a
[3:46:31] part of the existing neighborhood there?
[3:46:33] >> It would be a separate HOA for this
[3:46:35] subdivision alone. It would be created
[3:46:37] in the deeds and covetants for for these
[3:46:40] two properties in in whole.
[3:46:43] >> Perfect. And then uh the the houses to
[3:46:46] the left and houses underneath ballpark.
[3:46:48] What are those average uh on on those
[3:46:51] lots?
[3:46:53] >> The the existing homes, those are in the
[3:46:56] R2. So they would be around the quarter of an acre lot. Yes. Correct.
[3:47:02] >> All right. Got Okay. That's all I got.
[3:47:05] Okay. Uh gentlemen entertain a motion to
[3:47:08] open up public hearings zoning case uh
[3:47:11] 4-26-Z is in Zulu.
[3:47:14] >> So moved. Second.
[3:47:15] >> All right. Any discussion? Mr. Campbell.
[3:47:17] Roll call.
[3:47:18] >> Mr. Becker.
[3:47:19] >> Yes. Mr. Lo.
[3:47:20] >> Yes.
[3:47:21] >> Mr. Dills.
[3:47:22] >> Yes.
[3:47:22] >> Public hearing is open at 9:47 p.m.
[3:47:25] >> All right. And first thing is we usually
[3:47:27] have the proponent up. So to be the
[3:47:28] developer, uh, if you'd like to come on
[3:47:30] up
[3:47:32] and then I will swear you in. All right.
[3:47:35] You swear to tell the truth, the whole
[3:47:36] truth, nothing but the truth. So help
[3:47:38] God.
[3:47:38] >> I do.
[3:47:38] >> Great. Uh, name and address for record,
[3:47:40] sir.
[3:47:40] >> Tyler Gibbs, Maddox Development. Address
[3:47:43] is 4026
[3:47:45] Bach Buckston Road, Matav, Ohio 45103.
[3:47:49] >> Michigan. Would you get all that?
[3:47:50] >> I got it.
[3:47:50] >> Perfect. Okay, go ahead.
[3:47:51] >> Oh, I do have a card. If you
[3:47:53] >> I'll take that, too. Um, I'll give it to
[3:47:56] you after.
[3:47:56] >> Okay.
[3:47:58] >> So, Maddox, a little bit history of
[3:48:00] Maddox Development. Maddox Development
[3:48:01] is local to Union Township. Uh, we're
[3:48:03] located on Bach Buckton Road. Um, own
[3:48:07] several commercial properties uh in this
[3:48:09] township, including the building that we
[3:48:11] worked out of in the Kennedy Land, the
[3:48:13] shops at Kennedy's Landing. Um, Maddox
[3:48:16] Development is also responsible for
[3:48:18] building several truly affordable houses
[3:48:21] in this township in the last since 2018.
[3:48:25] Um, some of those houses are on their
[3:48:28] second owner. Um, and they sold for 335.
[3:48:31] We sold them for 315. Um, Maddox
[3:48:34] Development is not the the builder in
[3:48:36] this case. Uh, we are developing it for
[3:48:39] other builders.
[3:48:40] Um, so what Maddox Development looks for
[3:48:42] is they look for we look for infill
[3:48:44] lots. Um, you know,
[3:48:48] for example, we did on traction lane
[3:48:50] over by Speedway on Traction Lane,
[3:48:51] there's an infill lot there. We split it
[3:48:53] into two and put two houses on it. We
[3:48:55] also look for um
[3:48:59] uh troubled properties, I guess you
[3:49:01] could say, houses that may have burnt
[3:49:02] down that we can tear down, rebuild, and
[3:49:04] redevelop. So, that's kind of our
[3:49:06] specialty. Um, and so this particular
[3:49:09] lot came up. We I let it be for sale. It
[3:49:12] was for sale for two weeks before I looked at it. Um,
[3:49:18] it was still available. So, we looked at
[3:49:19] it and this particular lot fits all of
[3:49:21] our requirements that we looked for in a development. It is the house is is
[3:49:26] abandoned. There's nobody living in it.
[3:49:28] As Craig said, there's been several
[3:49:31] zoning uh issues with this lot in the in
[3:49:33] the past few years that have been
[3:49:34] resolved. Um but
[3:49:37] uh you know that this is what we look
[3:49:40] for. We we look for these kind of lots
[3:49:41] and clean it up a little bit. So um we
[3:49:45] came up with a pretty decent site plan.
[3:49:46] I you know if you ask me I might be
[3:49:48] biased. Um 18 lots. It is currently
[3:49:52] zoned R2. So the density is a quarter
[3:49:55] acre per lot which in this case would be
[3:49:58] 20 houses or so. Um and so we hit 18.
[3:50:02] And we also um were able to design this
[3:50:06] to have green space all the way around
[3:50:08] the entire perimeter there, the backside
[3:50:11] and the uh I believe that's the west
[3:50:14] with a mound.
[3:50:16] We have a green space in the middle with
[3:50:17] a gazebo um obviously a monument sign.
[3:50:20] We have two retention ponds and one
[3:50:22] detention pond um to help with drainage
[3:50:24] in the area. It's a relatively flat lot
[3:50:27] and um and so Carl Hartman, he could not
[3:50:29] be here tonight. he fell ill earlier
[3:50:32] today and uh but he he has drawn up a a
[3:50:36] very good site plan for this uh for this
[3:50:38] lot. So um that's all I have for right
[3:50:41] now. Want to answer some questions?
[3:50:44] >> Mr. Fresher.
[3:50:44] >> No, Mr. Lugs.
[3:50:50] » Mr. Gibbs. Uh
[3:50:51] >> Maddox is my middle name. the uh
[3:50:53] regardless how the vote turns out uh you
[3:50:56] know appreciate you investing in the
[3:50:57] township as because you own Kenny's
[3:50:59] Landing and also your other business is
[3:51:00] located here as well, right?
[3:51:01] >> Yeah, we uh we're located on Bach Bucks
[3:51:03] and we also own the building that we're
[3:51:05] in on Bucks, the old KUP electric
[3:51:06] building.
[3:51:07] >> Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your
[3:51:08] investment here in the township. Yeah.
[3:51:10] Thank you very much. But uh no questions
[3:51:11] for me at the time. Appreciate. Yeah.
[3:51:12] Thank you, sir.
[3:51:13] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that's a
[3:51:15] proponent of this case? Uh for this
[3:51:17] case?
[3:51:18] >> Yes.
[3:51:18] >> Oh, please. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[3:51:19] Please come on up. Yes.
[3:51:24] All right. Got it.
[3:51:29] » All right. Appreciate it.
[3:51:31] >> Thank you.
[3:51:31] >> Appreciate you. All right. Let me let me
[3:51:33] go swear you in.
[3:51:35] >> All right. You swear to tell the truth,
[3:51:37] the whole truth. Anything about the
[3:51:37] truth. So have you got I do. Great.
[3:51:39] Lor's yours, sir.
[3:51:42] >> My name is David Lamb. Uh my address is
[3:51:46] 1192
[3:51:47] Emery Ridge Drive. That is a Bavia
[3:51:50] address. Uh I am speaking tonight um
[3:51:54] from the perspective of the family
[3:51:56] trying to sell the property.
[3:51:58] So I am the son of one of six siblings
[3:52:03] who inherited the property when my
[3:52:05] grandmother died in 1995.
[3:52:08] >> We have been through about 10 years of
[3:52:11] probate complications.
[3:52:14] We just reached the point this winter
[3:52:17] where we could list the property. the
[3:52:20] family is not in a position to maintain
[3:52:22] the property. We are aware that the
[3:52:24] house on that property is an eyesore,
[3:52:26] that some of the other debris on the
[3:52:28] property is is not only an eyesore, but
[3:52:31] it's a safety hazard if anybody
[3:52:32] trespasses. We know that for the good of
[3:52:35] the community, this property needs to
[3:52:37] move on. The family's not capable. Um,
[3:52:40] so from a sellers's perspective,
[3:52:43] we're looking for support in moving this
[3:52:47] property and letting everybody in that
[3:52:49] community move on. Um,
[3:52:55] two weeks ago was the zoning committee
[3:52:57] hearing. We heard a number of different
[3:52:59] concerns from the local the neighbors of
[3:53:02] the area. One of them was traffic. I
[3:53:05] think this this uh the trustees have
[3:53:07] established the traffic concerns are
[3:53:10] more in the county's area. So I would
[3:53:13] say, you know, any concerns with traffic
[3:53:15] kind of be deferred. I would, you know,
[3:53:17] I'd hope they would go. The other
[3:53:19] concern was related to the use of the
[3:53:23] property. One of the things I learned in
[3:53:25] the zoning and and it's funny, we've had
[3:53:27] a lot of conversation about R1, R2, R4.
[3:53:30] These are things that are foreign to any
[3:53:33] of us, you know, that don't deal with
[3:53:34] properties.
[3:53:36] >> One of the things I learned in the
[3:53:37] zoning committee meeting was
[3:53:39] that the plan that the developer has
[3:53:42] come up with actually meets the density
[3:53:44] requirements for I think it's the R2
[3:53:47] rating, the current rating. So, even
[3:53:49] though they're applying for R4, the the
[3:53:53] density rating when you factor in the
[3:53:54] green space actually still meets the
[3:53:57] current uh zoning for that property. And
[3:54:00] I I can defer to the zoning committee
[3:54:02] for clarification on that. I'm by no
[3:54:04] means an expert on that. So what I'm is from the seller's
[3:54:10] perspective is, you know, we have a need
[3:54:13] to move the property. We're looking for
[3:54:15] improvements for everybody on Shepard
[3:54:18] Road and that as long as the density
[3:54:21] requirements, the zoning requirements
[3:54:23] are are met, we're hoping there's no
[3:54:25] obstruction to selling this property.
[3:54:28] One last point I want to make just just
[3:54:31] noting it. I believe I assume that a
[3:54:35] petition that was turned into the zoning
[3:54:36] committee with about 125 signatures
[3:54:40] um was pulled together by one of the
[3:54:44] competing biders. We also learned in the
[3:54:46] zoning committee meeting that the
[3:54:49] information that was given to a lot of
[3:54:50] the signees at the time, not
[3:54:52] intentionally, but because of a
[3:54:54] misunderstanding of zoning, a lot of the
[3:54:57] people that signed that petition may not
[3:54:59] have gotten accurate accurate
[3:55:00] information on the zoning rules.
[3:55:03] But my concern is is that the person
[3:55:06] driving that petition
[3:55:08] could be using that to keep the sale
[3:55:11] open and prevent the sale to the current
[3:55:13] developer. With that, I'll close.
[3:55:16] >> Fair enough. Yeah. And then did you have
[3:55:18] any questions for Mr. Lamb?
[3:55:19] >> No.
[3:55:20] >> Any questions for Mr. Lamb?
[3:55:21] >> Uh, not apparently.
[3:55:23] >> Appreciate you speak. And by by the way,
[3:55:24] uh, sorry for your grandmother in her
[3:55:27] passing, by the way, Mr. Lamb. The, uh,
[3:55:29] Okay. Is there anyone else that is for
[3:55:31] this case that is a proponent. All
[3:55:33] right. Seeing none, I can kind of tell
[3:55:35] where the room's at. So, [laughter]
[3:55:38] the Okay. Yeah. Uh is there is
[3:55:41] >> wedding
[3:55:42] >> the uh if anyone that that is an
[3:55:44] opponent of this case that is against
[3:55:46] this case uh you please come on up sir.
[3:55:48] Yeah.
[3:55:52] And uh
[3:55:55] this is right.
[3:55:57] >> Yeah.
[3:55:58] >> Thank you.
[3:56:00] >> Oh yeah.
[3:56:01] >> Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth,
[3:56:03] the whole truth, and both the truth
[3:56:04] shall be God?
[3:56:05] >> I do.
[3:56:05] >> Great. And then go and state your name
[3:56:07] for that. Uh, excuse me, Justin Burch,
[3:56:09] 997 Shepardwoods Court. Um, first things
[3:56:13] first, uh, I just want to say, uh, thank
[3:56:15] you, Mr. Dills, for allowing everybody
[3:56:17] to come up and speak. I know it's late,
[3:56:19] pushing 10:00. Um, I have been getting
[3:56:22] texts, uh, Mr. Wright, saying they were
[3:56:24] hearing you uh, ask Mr. Dills to wrap
[3:56:28] this up, which you responded. It's their
[3:56:31] right. So, thank you for that.
[3:56:32] >> Absolutely. Thank you, sir.
[3:56:36] >> Uh, good evening. I'm here tonight to
[3:56:37] voice the collective concerns of many
[3:56:40] residents regarding the proposed zoning
[3:56:43] uh reszoning from R2 to R4 on Shepard
[3:56:45] Road.
[3:56:47] While we understand the need for the
[3:56:49] growth, development development must be
[3:56:52] harmonious with the established
[3:56:53] character of our community. One concern
[3:56:57] is the unprecedented increase in
[3:56:59] density. Currently the small private
[3:57:02] areas along Shepard Road average just
[3:57:05] four homes each. So when you off
[3:57:08] Tealtown all the way down it's about
[3:57:10] four homes on each one of the offshoots
[3:57:14] of that if that makes sense. It does.
[3:57:17] >> Uh this proposal calls for new 18 home
[3:57:20] development. This isn't just a minor
[3:57:22] increase. um myself and those back on
[3:57:25] Willowville um and many residents down
[3:57:29] Sheperwood's Court uh it will feel like
[3:57:32] a mini Brooklyn dropped right in our
[3:57:34] backyard
[3:57:36] uh which is completely out of step with
[3:57:38] the existing neighborhoods down Shepard
[3:57:40] Road. Another major concern is the loss
[3:57:43] of privacy right now. lot of mature
[3:57:45] trees, natural brush, provide a buffer
[3:57:48] between our homes, this property,
[3:57:52] um, and the Willowbrook community behind
[3:57:54] us. This development would remove most
[3:57:57] trees and a three-foot tall burm around
[3:58:00] the perimeter. This burm simply will not
[3:58:02] replace decades of mature trees that
[3:58:04] currently provide any sort of privacy
[3:58:07] for residents all around.
[3:58:10] Uh approximately 21 existing homes
[3:58:13] including 12 on Locust uh Grove Court,
[3:58:16] seven on Sheperwoods Court and two on
[3:58:19] Sheper Road, we'll see our privacy
[3:58:21] significantly decreased
[3:58:24] with this potential to reszone to R4
[3:58:26] allowing more flexibility of homes on
[3:58:28] their respective lot. these new new
[3:58:30] homes um won't have to adhere to the
[3:58:33] setbacks of the 30 feet uh 30 feet and
[3:58:36] 10 feet respectively uh per the zoning
[3:58:39] documents that are online potentially
[3:58:42] putting new homes even closer to our
[3:58:43] existing properties diminishing the
[3:58:45] privacy that is already in danger.
[3:58:48] Um we're also worried about traffic and
[3:58:50] safety. The road leading to this
[3:58:52] development is narrow, has no sidewalks,
[3:58:55] and there is only one entrance and exit.
[3:58:58] Um, one note that I do have, I've
[3:59:00] already had to spend over $200 uh
[3:59:02] because my wife was forced off the edge
[3:59:05] of the road um years ago hitting a trash
[3:59:09] can that was out there because it was so
[3:59:11] narrow.
[3:59:11] >> Is it is that on Shepard?
[3:59:12] >> That's on Shepard Road. Yes.
[3:59:16] Um, and a side note with that, many
[3:59:19] times we're constantly pulling over to
[3:59:22] allow cars to pass.
[3:59:26] Um
[3:59:29] so family, children, walkers, cyclists,
[3:59:32] we all use this road. Uh increased
[3:59:34] traffic creates additional safety
[3:59:35] concerns. Uh we also need to consider
[3:59:38] the impact of the consider uh excuse me,
[3:59:42] consider continued residential
[3:59:44] development on the West Claremont School
[3:59:47] District. It seems there has been a
[3:59:49] recent shift in Union Township toward
[3:59:51] fitting as many residential communities
[3:59:53] as possible into smaller pieces of
[3:59:55] property. But if we stop to consider the
[3:59:58] cumulative impact impact of that growth
[4:00:01] on our schools, 18 additional homes may
[4:00:04] seem like a small number when considered
[4:00:06] on their own, but when combined with
[4:00:08] other new developments, these homes mean
[4:00:10] additional students to the West
[4:00:12] Claremont School District. This affects
[4:00:14] class sizes, classroom space, staffing,
[4:00:16] transportation, and other school
[4:00:18] resources. We urge the the trustees to
[4:00:22] deny the reasonzoning request. We're not
[4:00:24] against the development, bar none.
[4:00:26] Period. Full stop. We're not against it.
[4:00:28] What we're against is shoving 18 homes
[4:00:32] into a 3.7 acre lot
[4:00:36] on a already narrow road to bring if
[4:00:40] there's 18 at least two cars for
[4:00:43] husband, wife, partner, spouse. Now
[4:00:46] you're up to 36. They started having
[4:00:48] children. You're you're climbing way up
[4:00:51] very quickly. Again, on a very narrow
[4:00:53] road already. Um, and I would like to
[4:00:56] just say during snowstorms, plows don't
[4:00:59] really come down Shepherd Road very
[4:01:01] often. Um, there are some low spots,
[4:01:04] there's a lot of ice,
[4:01:06] it it it gets uh pretty dangerous at
[4:01:09] times, and I'm not just trying to
[4:01:11] exaggerate that either. Um, we we do
[4:01:14] agree that the the current property is
[4:01:16] an eyesore. Full stop. We we we agree
[4:01:19] with that. Um, but again, it feels like
[4:01:24] the goal is just to cram as many uh
[4:01:26] homes as possible. Um, I'm sorry, I
[4:01:29] misspoke. I said 3.7 earlier. Um, as
[4:01:31] many homes as possible into a 4.7 acre
[4:01:34] property to maximize the profits of the
[4:01:37] developer that doesn't live in the
[4:01:38] community.
[4:01:40] Um, current currently there is a privacy
[4:01:42] fence, a sixoot wooden privacy fence.
[4:01:45] Um, that is
[4:01:47] C.
[4:01:48] >> Craig, can you pull up a better picture
[4:01:49] of that? Yeah. On the aerial. Thank you.
[4:01:51] >> Um once you turn into well to the if
[4:01:55] you're staring at Bishop's house, which
[4:01:58] is the top right corner, um little white
[4:02:01] building to the right of that, there is
[4:02:02] a 6-ft wooden privacy fence that is
[4:02:05] constantly falling down, uh currently.
[4:02:08] So, uh, one thing that we
[4:02:12] are worried about is what's going to
[4:02:13] happen with that fence all the way down,
[4:02:17] uh, that privacy fence. It then turns
[4:02:19] into barbwire fence that comes down my
[4:02:22] property,
[4:02:23] neighbors property, another piece of
[4:02:25] property, and then around to the private
[4:02:28] drive.
[4:02:30] Who's going to take care of that? Is
[4:02:32] there going to be another fence? What is
[4:02:33] that going to uh what's that going to
[4:02:35] look like?
[4:02:36] >> And all this, Mr. patrol this fence
[4:02:37] you're talking about is that on the
[4:02:38] existing property right now
[4:02:39] >> that is on the existing property that's
[4:02:40] correct
[4:02:41] >> all right
[4:02:43] um
[4:02:45] in the
[4:02:47] last couple things I do want to say um
[4:02:52] we have spoken with people that know the
[4:02:55] developer they're even against it um and
[4:03:00] uh we also know people personally that
[4:03:02] have put bids in on the property um that
[4:03:06] were denied
[4:03:07] whatever it doesn't matter. Um, I just
[4:03:10] want to say or have that on the record
[4:03:12] that other people are bidding on this
[4:03:14] that they were just going to have it as
[4:03:16] a single family lot. They were going to
[4:03:18] use it for green space. They were going
[4:03:20] to build a home on it. Um, not turn this
[4:03:23] into again a mini Brooklyn.
[4:03:27] Um, and then
[4:03:29] the really the only question that
[4:03:31] [clears throat] I have
[4:03:33] is, uh, what are the setbacks on the
[4:03:36] home if this hypothetically did get
[4:03:39] reszoned to an R4?
[4:03:43] » Mr. F, you want to answer that one?
[4:03:45] >> Yeah. So, looking at the plan, let me
[4:03:48] pull out the report here.
[4:03:51] The setbacks for the holes would be the
[4:03:55] minimum fret yard setbacks of all
[4:03:57] proposed lots should be 25 foot. The
[4:04:00] minimum rear yard setbacks of the
[4:04:02] proposed lot should be 15 ft. This
[4:04:05] combined with a landscape buffer. So the
[4:04:08] landscape buffer to the rear of this. So
[4:04:11] you can see that along through there
[4:04:13] makes a combination for roughly 30 feet
[4:04:17] in combined setbacks.
[4:04:22] So from the very the the property line
[4:04:24] to the house would be 30 ft.
[4:04:27] >> So if you're looking at it here, this
[4:04:30] would roughly be
[4:04:32] keep it contingent with 15. So you have
[4:04:35] 15 roughly and another 15 to get 30 in
[4:04:39] there. And then the front would be
[4:04:41] combined to have a standard of 25 ft.
[4:04:45] >> What about Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean
[4:04:46] to cut you off. So you can kind of see
[4:04:48] within this plan how all the setbacks
[4:04:51] vary those dash lines. We just keep a
[4:04:55] standard setback there of 25 ft from the
[4:04:58] front, 15 from the rear with the
[4:05:00] additional 15 ft in the back to make a
[4:05:03] total of 30 in. Sorry, what was your
[4:05:06] question? Uh what about the lots that
[4:05:08] are smaller on the right hand or excuse
[4:05:11] me on the lefthand side around the
[4:05:12] culde-sac and then also on the far right
[4:05:14] hand side heading back towards that
[4:05:18] >> I can't see
[4:05:35] they've got So, this one here,
[4:05:38] the mouse, we've got 30 feet. Here we've
[4:05:43] got 25 ft, 20 ft, 25 ft, 20 ft. So, roughly, and then you
[4:05:54] have the buffering of
[4:05:58] the mound throughout here. What about on
[4:06:01] the side where the the burm is on the
[4:06:04] far right side? See a little strip and
[4:06:06] then
[4:06:08] >> Yeah. So, this one's
[4:06:10] 10 15 and then the mound in between
[4:06:15] there.
[4:06:16] >> And how how wide is that mound?
[4:06:19] the mound would be so we know it's 36 in
[4:06:23] high and then it would roughly be um
[4:06:29] it would roughly be let's see here I
[4:06:32] would say what four four feet in width
[4:06:34] to offset you know you can't have it too
[4:06:37] steep otherwise yeah it just erode
[4:06:39] through there so
[4:06:41] >> so about either 14 to 19 feet from the
[4:06:45] burm or from the the property line where
[4:06:48] the burm would
[4:06:50] end for that development to the back of
[4:06:54] the house of a of one of the developed
[4:06:57] homes.
[4:06:58] >> Am I understand that correctly? It' be
[4:07:00] between 14 and 15 ft on that side.
[4:07:06] » Yes, it looks like it's 10 feet and then
[4:07:09] the width which is Yeah, I would say
[4:07:11] roughly around 10. So, we'd be at 20 at
[4:07:14] 20 feet 20T around there. Yeah.
[4:07:18] Thank you. That's one second. Mr. B, Mr.
[4:07:21] Becker, any questions?
[4:07:22] >> I do. Uh, and Mr. Flouty might want to
[4:07:25] chime in on on this as well. So, I'm
[4:07:28] very familiar with Shepherd Road. I've
[4:07:30] even picked up garbage along it the
[4:07:32] whole stretch all the way down. Now, as
[4:07:35] the chairman pointed out, the area is
[4:07:36] zoned R2, but is it my imagination
[4:07:41] or are even though it's zoned R2,
[4:07:44] most of lots are much larger than a
[4:07:47] minimum for R2?
[4:07:50] Do they know the answer to that?
[4:07:54] >> Yeah.
[4:07:54] >> Yes. These these lots are smaller than a
[4:07:57] typical R2. What's made up with this?
[4:08:00] >> I'm talking about the current Sheepard
[4:08:02] Road
[4:08:03] >> hubs. Yeah, Shepard Road. If you look at
[4:08:05] the zoning map, the properties around
[4:08:07] are R2.
[4:08:08] >> Yeah, but that wasn't my question.
[4:08:11] [laughter]
[4:08:13] >> Are you saying the lots around it are
[4:08:14] smaller, bigger? Is that your question?
[4:08:16] >> I'm saying although they're zoned. So, you know, prior to this, I was
[4:08:20] spending some time looking real hard at
[4:08:22] the at the schematics of of, you know,
[4:08:24] the the the property sizes. It appeared
[4:08:27] to me, although it's R2, a lot of these
[4:08:30] properties are much larger than the
[4:08:32] minimum for an R2.
[4:08:34] >> Mr. Becker, if I could, I' I've been
[4:08:35] here a while.
[4:08:37] >> Uh, I've looked at probably
[4:08:42] 300 subdivision plats in my career,
[4:08:44] minimum.
[4:08:45] So, those lots, that's Shephard Road. If
[4:08:48] you look at the yellow there, and then
[4:08:50] uh you kind of see the curve where the
[4:08:52] lots sort of uh they sort of line up,
[4:08:55] they don't line up there. You can kind
[4:08:56] of see Shephard there. And you see the
[4:08:58] frontage there. Those lots to the south
[4:09:01] there. Those are approximately with the
[4:09:03] exception of that one weird shaped lot.
[4:09:05] You guys see it? There's two larger lots
[4:09:08] and then kind of a
[4:09:10] >> I don't even know.
[4:09:10] >> So, put put your put your mouse on the
[4:09:12] curve there.
[4:09:12] >> Yeah. So, those are probably those two
[4:09:15] lots there next to it are probably
[4:09:17] somewhere between a third of an acre and
[4:09:18] a half an acre. And then that weird
[4:09:20] little you see that one that looks sort
[4:09:22] of squareish with the corner cut off of
[4:09:25] it. That might be a little over between
[4:09:28] a quarter and a third. And then those
[4:09:30] lots along the frontage to the south,
[4:09:31] those are quarteracre lots. Those are R1
[4:09:33] lots. The lots in Blackberry and all
[4:09:35] that, those are are R2 lots. I'm sorry.
[4:09:37] We got We've talked R1, R2, R4. I'm are
[4:09:41] I'm
[4:09:41] >> all the ones there on the curve are are
[4:09:43] R2 which are quarteracre lots.
[4:09:45] >> Yeah, those small lots on the bottom of
[4:09:46] the picture there on the bottom right.
[4:09:48] Those are quarteracre lots.
[4:09:51] >> You don't see it very clearly.
[4:09:53] >> I I feel like the maybe I'm wrong. I
[4:09:54] feel like the question was about how
[4:09:56] many houses per acre.
[4:09:58] >> Yeah, it's four R2 is four units an
[4:10:00] acre. And he asked what size are the
[4:10:02] lots on Shepard? And I think the answer
[4:10:04] is it's all over the map. You have large
[4:10:06] lots, you have small lots. Yeah. In this
[4:10:09] particular area, you have some you have
[4:10:10] some quarter acre lots, and then
[4:10:12] literally across the street got two and
[4:10:14] three acre parcels.
[4:10:15] >> And I think that's what I was looking
[4:10:16] for. It's all over the map.
[4:10:17] >> Yeah.
[4:10:18] >> All right.
[4:10:19] >> Above the minimum.
[4:10:21] >> Yeah. Mr.
[4:10:22] >> Because they're building above the
[4:10:23] minimum.
[4:10:23] >> Yeah.
[4:10:23] >> Uh Mr. Look, any questions for Mr. M?
[4:10:26] >> No.
[4:10:26] >> I I'll tell I'll say this to you and I I should have probably said this the
[4:10:29] previous one, but it didn't come up. You brought up uh West Claremont
[4:10:32] schools. Y'all can bring up West
[4:10:33] Claremont schools. We however are not
[4:10:36] allowed to. Now in our brain we can
[4:10:37] think whatever we want but we cannot
[4:10:41] speak about making a decision based off
[4:10:44] anything and take the schools into
[4:10:46] account that's out of our purview. We're
[4:10:47] not allowed to. So we might think it.
[4:10:50] Yeah.
[4:10:50] >> And but but regardless we cannot talk
[4:10:52] about oh overcrowding the schools
[4:10:53] therefore I'm going to vote no. I just
[4:10:54] broke the rules and I can't do that.
[4:10:56] Just just so you know. So you all can
[4:10:58] but we cannot. So for what it's worth.
[4:11:00] So Mr. Burch good job. Appreciate you
[4:11:03] very much. Yeah. Thank you. And then uh
[4:11:04] hey uh Mr. Taylor, will you take note
[4:11:06] that Shephard uh he's saying it's too
[4:11:08] narrow. Uh if we could somehow put that
[4:11:10] in the budget in the future. I don't
[4:11:12] know what when, but in the future. Also
[4:11:14] snow plows as well. Have you heard that?
[4:11:15] Just saying, "Hey, the street doesn't
[4:11:17] get as plowed as much as it should." I
[4:11:18] don't know. I don't live on Shepard, but
[4:11:20] still just uh just just check it out.
[4:11:22] >> All good. Thank you, Mr. B. Appreciate
[4:11:23] you.
[4:11:24] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that is an
[4:11:26] opponent of this case that's against
[4:11:27] this case that like to talk? Yes, miss.
[4:11:28] I saw you first and then sir, I saw you
[4:11:30] getting ready to get up. I'll call you
[4:11:31] on next. But no, Miss Come on up. You're
[4:11:33] first.
[4:11:38] All right. Oh, very nice of you, Mr.
[4:11:40] Campbell. Appreciate that. All right.
[4:11:42] Let me swear you in.
[4:11:46] Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth,
[4:11:47] the whole truth, and but the truth of be
[4:11:49] God?
[4:11:49] >> I do.
[4:11:49] >> Great. Floor is yours, Mr. Name and
[4:11:51] address for the record.
[4:11:52] >> Um, my name is Tanya uh Buts Hamilton. I
[4:11:55] live at 4733 Shepard Road. And um I a
[4:12:01] lot of my questions were already
[4:12:02] answered just listening to what other
[4:12:04] people said and what your response was
[4:12:06] to it. Um but first let me say I'm not
[4:12:10] opposed to development there. I'm just
[4:12:12] opposed to the R for development there.
[4:12:17] Um one of the problems I found when I
[4:12:19] went to the zoning meeting is they tried
[4:12:21] to tell us that their rationale be
[4:12:25] behind it being
[4:12:28] acceptable to go to R4 was that the the
[4:12:32] population density would be the same as
[4:12:34] if it was developed as R2. They tried to
[4:12:38] say that 20 houses would go in on R2 or
[4:12:41] could. And I said, you know, I I I
[4:12:44] actually wrote a letter to each of the uh trustees. I don't know if you got
[4:12:49] them, but I said, you know, just suppose
[4:12:51] I'm a developer.
[4:12:53] I would also have to allow access road
[4:12:56] and a drainage right I said so I try to
[4:12:59] say that at most they're probably going
[4:13:01] to get 12 houses in maybe depending on
[4:13:04] upon the configuration of that lot maybe
[4:13:06] even as low as 10 so the argument that
[4:13:08] they gave us that that 18 was better
[4:13:11] than 20 actually is more in our favor
[4:13:15] that 18 isn't as good as 10 you know so
[4:13:19] and I do my lot is two acres the uh the
[4:13:22] lady who lives behind me, uh, hers is
[4:13:25] 12.43
[4:13:27] acres and that butts up against the
[4:13:31] Cincinnati Nature Center. One of my
[4:13:34] greatest concerns was the decision
[4:13:37] decisions that you make on this lot, how
[4:13:39] is that going to affect all the other
[4:13:41] green spaces and developments back
[4:13:43] sheepard in the future? Now I know that
[4:13:46] doesn't set a precedence because you
[4:13:48] have to take each lot into consideration
[4:13:50] on its own merits or its own what topog
[4:13:53] you know um but if you allow this R4 to
[4:13:59] go into place it's got to make
[4:14:01] somebody's argument easier in the future
[4:14:04] for saying well you've done it before
[4:14:05] you did it up here look at the number
[4:14:07] just like you were asking how big are
[4:14:09] the existing lots well somebody's going
[4:14:11] to say how big are the existing lots I'm
[4:14:13] one of the people that actually brought this to the attention of the
[4:14:16] Cincinnati Nature Center and they seemed
[4:14:18] to be quite interested in it and um I
[4:14:21] used to know Bob TR and he had told me a
[4:14:23] story about one acre of land that his
[4:14:26] client had that was undevelopable he
[4:14:29] said and they wanted him to approach the
[4:14:31] nature center and see if they were
[4:14:33] interested purchasing it and he said oh
[4:14:35] I didn't think they would be interested
[4:14:37] but they were he says anything that that
[4:14:39] prevents future development helps to
[4:14:42] prevent future groundwater contamination
[4:14:44] and maintain their ecosystem. Now, are
[4:14:47] where we're at there, we are right on
[4:14:49] the nature center. So, the things that
[4:14:51] you do here, might they influence things
[4:14:54] in the future? And you know, my dad
[4:14:56] played at the nature center when he was
[4:14:57] a kid. We're talking 70ome years ago.
[4:14:59] So, 50 years from now is not
[4:15:01] inconceivable. And you would hate to say
[4:15:03] 50 years from now, boy, I wish we
[4:15:05] wouldn't have allowed this much
[4:15:06] development to go in around the nature
[4:15:08] center, you know, but it's not too late
[4:15:10] to make that decision now. Now, some of
[4:15:13] those lots are actually almost a tenth
[4:15:15] of an acre. You know, you also have the
[4:15:18] uh uh Shephard Wood, I believe is the
[4:15:21] name of the subdivision that is just
[4:15:23] beyond it. And those are some pretty
[4:15:26] nice houses that went in back there. Um
[4:15:28] uh that letter I also made sure we
[4:15:30] distributed it to all those people
[4:15:32] because I thought they wouldn't be too
[4:15:34] appreciative to know that a a lower
[4:15:36] income housing may be going in, you
[4:15:38] know, up the street. Now, when I
[4:15:40] initially they told us I had heard that
[4:15:43] it was going to be like 260,000
[4:15:45] was going to be the approximate value of
[4:15:47] those houses that were going in. And um
[4:15:50] luckily I got to speak with Tyler Gibbs
[4:15:52] at the break we had which he real nice
[4:15:55] guy. Um and I'm not again I'm not
[4:15:58] opposed to development and I'm not
[4:15:59] opposed to him being successful. From
[4:16:01] what I understand, his purchase of that
[4:16:04] property, and I can't swear to this
[4:16:06] because I haven't seen the contract, is
[4:16:08] contingent upon the changing of the
[4:16:10] zoning. There's also other offers on
[4:16:13] this property to the owner, seller of
[4:16:16] that property, which would then clean up
[4:16:18] that house that's there. So, that isn't
[4:16:20] Yeah. shouldn't sway one way or another.
[4:16:23] Um, so if he were not to if you were not
[4:16:27] to change the zoning, he isn't out
[4:16:29] anything. he's just got to look for
[4:16:30] another property that's going to meet
[4:16:32] the criteria and the zoning of whatever
[4:16:34] he wishes to make the profit margin that
[4:16:37] they'd like to on. Um now then I heard
[4:16:40] earlier they were saying for $300 to
[4:16:42] $500,000 homes. Who's going to buy a
[4:16:45] $500,000
[4:16:47] home on a 10th acre lot on Shephard
[4:16:49] Road? I think that was uh yeah, somebody
[4:16:52] that doesn't sound accurate to me. Um
[4:16:55] and so
[4:16:59] you know I also question the
[4:17:00] infrastructure on that road you know not
[4:17:03] just the how wide it is because it is
[4:17:05] narrow um is we have had so much repair
[4:17:09] of the water sewer lines constantly
[4:17:12] redigging up there because it's all old
[4:17:14] you know and so you're adding more
[4:17:17] development into it and and because
[4:17:20] we've already called them like five
[4:17:21] times to come out with a sewage leakage
[4:17:23] that they've redone dug up right in
[4:17:25] front of my house. You I'm all the way
[4:17:27] back around the corner. If you go there
[4:17:28] on the the pretty blue house on the the
[4:17:30] left hand side and that was my
[4:17:33] grandfather's house. I've lived there,
[4:17:34] caught the bus there my entire life. And one older gentleman here had said
[4:17:41] something about they put, you know, they
[4:17:44] zoned it for a reason. Who decides that
[4:17:47] now we don't want to maintain the
[4:17:49] zoning? Um, and I understand developing
[4:17:53] [clears throat] and but it's it's zoned,
[4:17:58] you know, I don't see the benefit of of
[4:18:00] going to R4, you know, other than it
[4:18:03] benefiting the developer that he's going
[4:18:04] to make the profit margin that he's
[4:18:06] looking for. It's certainly not develop,
[4:18:08] you know, helping me, my family. Uh, you
[4:18:11] know, if it I just put an $80,000 room
[4:18:13] addition on my house back there and
[4:18:16] it's, you know, my kids are going to
[4:18:17] inherit this, my grandkids, and yeah,
[4:18:20] this affects the future. So, um I I know
[4:18:24] that and I can't say that, but that that
[4:18:29] particular company in question that was
[4:18:31] buying this also worked with the Chamber
[4:18:34] of Commerce on a lot of different
[4:18:35] projects. He even helped on developing
[4:18:37] their offices. There's on his website
[4:18:39] the Chamber of Commerce is saying,
[4:18:41] "Thank you for helping us, you know,
[4:18:42] with the developing of." So, it just
[4:18:44] makes you wonder, you know, does he know
[4:18:48] somebody so he's got a better chance to
[4:18:49] get this to persuade you that way. I
[4:18:53] certainly hope not, you know. Um, and
[4:18:56] then also, um, oh, there was one other
[4:19:00] thing I was going to the the property
[4:19:02] values, you know, if they go in, it's
[4:19:05] going to affect all of us, uh, over the
[4:19:07] next 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. Um
[4:19:14] and um oh and and just one other little
[4:19:17] comment that I wanted to make about how
[4:19:19] we all got notified about this and uh if
[4:19:23] it wouldn't have been somebody coming
[4:19:24] around and trying to sign a petition
[4:19:27] because there was 125 names on it and um
[4:19:32] I wouldn't have known about it and and
[4:19:35] they did stay within their guidelines
[4:19:38] that they had to notify the people that
[4:19:40] were adjacent and across the street and
[4:19:42] whatever. But I also found out that
[4:19:44] Kevin Syler got a letter and he lives
[4:19:46] down even further down the road than I
[4:19:48] did. So, how is it that he got a letter
[4:19:50] of notification, but I didn't? Are you
[4:19:52] picking and choosing who you're giving
[4:19:53] them to? I mean, that kind of lends
[4:19:56] itself to think that there's impropriy
[4:19:58] to that. I mean, was it overlooked? Was
[4:20:01] it uh, you know, neglect? Was it got
[4:20:04] lost in the mail? Uh, or is somebody
[4:20:07] doing something that they didn't want
[4:20:09] everybody to get jump on board with
[4:20:10] this? because I think or what I'm saying
[4:20:13] is in the future I think that if it's
[4:20:15] going to affect everyone on that street, should have
[4:20:18] received notification and they did not.
[4:20:21] So, and so that means I think that not
[4:20:25] just this one, any other one. Is there a
[4:20:27] way to change that so that if it, you
[4:20:29] know, everybody that lives on that
[4:20:30] residential street if there's zoning on
[4:20:32] it being changed, I think everybody on
[4:20:34] that residential [clears throat] street
[4:20:35] should receive.
[4:20:35] >> We hear you on that.
[4:20:36] >> That's my recommendation for future.
[4:20:38] That was that was one thing this board
[4:20:40] was able to take initial action on um
[4:20:43] was exactly that concept because it it
[4:20:46] did used to just be the adjacent
[4:20:47] property and we
[4:20:48] >> we pushed for it to be widely expanded.
[4:20:52] >> Yes.
[4:20:52] >> Uh so that people do receive letters and
[4:20:55] that signage goes out. There should be
[4:20:57] the postings that are out.
[4:20:59] >> Um and so that I mean that's that's
[4:21:02] tough when you start to say how far do
[4:21:04] you go? Is it two miles radius? Is it
[4:21:06] you know quarter mile? We had that
[4:21:08] discussion literally dead in road in
[4:21:11] Claremont County or Union Township. One
[4:21:13] of our friends is a postman. He was
[4:21:15] telling me that
[4:21:16] >> we end up doing that. We end, you know,
[4:21:18] we end up saying here it is, you know,
[4:21:19] shepherd and and then we turn around at
[4:21:22] Kluff Pike and and everyone at Clike
[4:21:24] says I didn't get a letter like well
[4:21:27] Pike's this long.
[4:21:28] >> I hadn't considered that. But
[4:21:29] >> so I I appreciate I just it just upset
[4:21:32] me. No, thank you so much. you know, and again, the the lady behind me is
[4:21:36] getting ready to sell her property. It's
[4:21:38] 12.4 acres within this next six to nine
[4:21:41] months,
[4:21:42] >> and whatever happens back here, could
[4:21:44] that influence how much could happen
[4:21:46] behind me coming up in the not too
[4:21:48] distant future. Yeah.
[4:21:49] >> So, I've already contacted the nature
[4:21:51] center. I think they're interested in
[4:21:52] purchasing that, though. So, um and it
[4:21:55] was because of all of this that it
[4:21:56] brought it to my attention that I
[4:21:58] started to get concern. Yeah. So, um,
[4:22:00] beyond that, I don't think I have
[4:22:01] anything else.
[4:22:03] >> Thank you, Mr. Beer.
[4:22:05] >> Oh, yeah. So, Mr. Flouty,
[4:22:07] >> can you comment on the letters that went
[4:22:09] out like how many residents or how far a
[4:22:12] radius from the from the property?
[4:22:15] >> So, we have a list and in the
[4:22:17] >> if it's based on radius, somebody behind
[4:22:19] me got one, even further down got one.
[4:22:21] >> We can see the radius of 200 feet around
[4:22:25] the property and that's who the letters
[4:22:27] were sent to. 200 feet around the
[4:22:29] property.
[4:22:30] >> Yes.
[4:22:31] >> Why would Mr. Syler not
[4:22:32] >> That's what we decided on.
[4:22:34] >> Yeah. That's Mr. Becker. That's that was per our decision to expand it
[4:22:39] because it previously was just the next
[4:22:41] door neighbor.
[4:22:42] >> I remember that
[4:22:42] >> and we wanted to be like the P person
[4:22:44] across the street and we're like we had
[4:22:46] that discussion this exact discussion
[4:22:48] like it's going to be difficult because
[4:22:50] >> we expanded from the original.
[4:22:52] >> Yeah.
[4:22:52] >> But Jason only remember
[4:22:54] >> someone's always going to feel like they
[4:22:55] missed a letter.
[4:22:57] >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Fl.
[4:22:59] >> That's all I have. Chairman,
[4:23:00] >> did you have anything for
[4:23:02] >> No, I I do appreciate that. Thank you.
[4:23:04] >> Thank you, miss. Appreciate you very
[4:23:06] much.
[4:23:07] >> Yeah. Okay. Is there anyone else that's
[4:23:08] I said I was going to call you next,
[4:23:09] sir? So, please. Yeah. No, I'm right
[4:23:11] here in the front. Red shirt. Yes, sir.
[4:23:13] Okay. Come on up.
[4:23:15] >> Um, perfect.
[4:23:18] >> Okay. And then, uh, Oh, you got your
[4:23:19] card. Perfect. Yeah, Mr. M's fine.
[4:23:23] Perfect. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yes.
[4:23:25] Okay. All
[4:23:28] right, let me go and swear you in. Uh,
[4:23:30] you want to raise your right hand and do
[4:23:31] you swear to tell the truth, the whole
[4:23:32] truth, but they both know the truth. So
[4:23:34] you got
[4:23:34] >> I do. Then name and address for the
[4:23:36] record, sir.
[4:23:36] >> My name is Jeffrey Bond. I live at 4634
[4:23:40] Sheepard Roadia,
[4:23:42] obviously.
[4:23:47] Good.
[4:23:48] >> Now,
[4:23:50] I raised zoning
[4:23:53] at the zoning meeting. I raised several
[4:23:55] concerns of mine and some of those have
[4:24:00] even changed more.
[4:24:03] The traffic,
[4:24:05] that's one. And we're not talking about
[4:24:10] 36 cars.
[4:24:13] If I had four sons and each one had a
[4:24:16] car and my wife had a car and I had a
[4:24:19] car. Okay, that's six times 18,
[4:24:26] not two.
[4:24:28] That's one. I drive down Shepard Road
[4:24:31] every day. And it is narrow. And yes,
[4:24:35] you do have to slow down. You do have to
[4:24:37] move over. You're going to add another
[4:24:39] 60 cars to this.
[4:24:43] That's one concern.
[4:24:48] Someone raised the point that the
[4:24:51] signatures that were gathered
[4:24:54] was a ploy by a possible purchaser. I
[4:24:59] disagree with that.
[4:25:01] Mr. Crocker's daughter and his son live
[4:25:05] adjacent to me.
[4:25:08] Why wouldn't he be concerned
[4:25:11] about this development?
[4:25:15] I would be if they were my children. and
[4:25:18] grandchildren. We have all kinds of
[4:25:23] pedestrian traffic.
[4:25:26] So now we have another concern.
[4:25:29] And it's 35 miles an hour on a deadend
[4:25:32] street.
[4:25:35] They seldom drive 35. I guarantee you
[4:25:38] that. I back into my driveway to make
[4:25:41] sure I don't get hit.
[4:25:46] Now, we'll talk about my newest concern.
[4:25:48] I came up to the zoning and they were
[4:25:53] gracious enough to print out
[4:25:57] something that I hadn't been made aware
[4:26:00] of at the zoning meeting. If I can
[4:26:05] approach you for just a moment.
[4:26:06] >> Sure. Yeah.
[4:26:09] >> They printed this out for me
[4:26:12] and it has
[4:26:14] all the addresses on it. And
[4:26:15] unfortunately, I only have one copy, but
[4:26:19] my address is 4634.
[4:26:22] And you will see that
[4:26:26] this is my property.
[4:26:28] Along my property line is a drainage
[4:26:32] ditch creek.
[4:26:35] It starts here. This is
[4:26:38] Cindy's property, Mr. Crawford's
[4:26:42] daughter.
[4:26:45] That drainage creek
[4:26:48] drains
[4:26:50] everything
[4:26:53] » all of this.
[4:26:54] >> All of the development over here. All
[4:26:56] the development over there
[4:26:58] >> flows into this creek.
[4:27:00] >> Go north.
[4:27:03] >> That was a question. Does it go north?
[4:27:04] >> Where does it go from there?
[4:27:05] >> It goes back into the junkyard.
[4:27:09] >> Is that north? Okay. Yes, it flows
[4:27:11] north.
[4:27:12] Now
[4:27:15] >> on Friday, oh at my own expense,
[4:27:20] >> because it was narrow,
[4:27:23] I had it expanded
[4:27:25] >> to slow the flow down.
[4:27:31] » And again, I'm sorry I only have
[4:27:34] >> these few pictures.
[4:27:35] >> Yeah, I can imagine.
[4:27:37] >> Friday last we had an unusual amount of
[4:27:40] rain. I know you guys will all agree
[4:27:42] with that.
[4:27:44] So now
[4:27:47] you don't see the creek
[4:27:49] >> because it is flooded. It has flooded my
[4:27:52] neighbor's yard. It flooded part of my
[4:27:55] yard. Even though I expanded this just
[4:27:58] so we could slow the flow down. What was
[4:28:00] this picture taken?
[4:28:02] >> Friday last.
[4:28:03] >> Friday.
[4:28:04] >> Remember we had like three inches of
[4:28:05] rain in an hour and a half or whatever.
[4:28:08] >> I've got this I've got this storm drain.
[4:28:11] And I will not argue that we have no
[4:28:14] storm drains on Shepherd Road.
[4:28:16] >> It's every everything in my neighborhood
[4:28:17] comes into mine and it shoots up into
[4:28:20] the air.
[4:28:20] >> Yeah. Well, it comes up in my basement a
[4:28:22] little bit sometimes, too, because
[4:28:25] >> everything drains in it. There's
[4:28:26] >> exciting.
[4:28:27] >> Oh, it's insane. So now it's you're
[4:28:29] going to add 18 more houses that are
[4:28:32] going to drain into my creek
[4:28:34] according to
[4:28:38] your zoning drawing.
[4:28:41] >> Your house is where?
[4:28:43] >> My house
[4:28:45] is right here.
[4:28:47] >> 4634.
[4:28:49] >> So it runs right there.
[4:28:53] » That's my newest concern. And that's
[4:28:55] because of this.
[4:28:58] the flooding.
[4:28:59] >> Yeah.
[4:29:00] >> That we had and it was an unusual rain.
[4:29:02] But now you're going to add 18 more
[4:29:04] houses, which is 18 more gutters, which
[4:29:06] is 18 more basement drains, etc.
[4:29:10] >> There's no storm storm sewers on
[4:29:12] >> No, there are not.
[4:29:13] >> Shepherd sir,
[4:29:14] >> I did not know that. That's interesting.
[4:29:16] >> No, sir. They're all um either front
[4:29:18] yard drain and in fact when I had my Let
[4:29:22] me go back.
[4:29:24] When I had my driveway laptop,
[4:29:27] the county engineer told me I had to
[4:29:30] slope it so it would drain from the
[4:29:32] street into the creek that runs on the
[4:29:35] property line of my property management.
[4:29:40] >> My other concern is the actual community
[4:29:43] that we live in.
[4:29:48] The vast majority of the houses on
[4:29:51] Shephard Road have halfacre lots.
[4:29:56] Not necessarily all. Some are larger,
[4:29:59] very few are smaller.
[4:30:02] So now we're going to put in housing on
[4:30:05] 8th acre lots.
[4:30:09] So this is not going to fit in this
[4:30:12] community. It won't look right.
[4:30:17] It removes a lot of the privacy of
[4:30:20] several of my neighbors.
[4:30:23] They talk about expanding green space by
[4:30:25] making it R4.
[4:30:27] That's a wonderful concept
[4:30:30] except that that's already
[4:30:33] green space. And yes, I'd want it to be
[4:30:35] developed, but not 18 houses.
[4:30:39] Nine or 10 houses
[4:30:42] would fit really nice. they would be
[4:30:46] able to save a fair amount of the
[4:30:48] existing old forest that's there
[4:30:54] and still have development.
[4:30:56] I'm not against the development at all.
[4:30:59] I'm against the scale of the
[4:31:01] development. And like I said, my newest
[4:31:03] concern is the drainage on my property.
[4:31:09] That's about all. Oh, one more thing.
[4:31:12] These poor gentlemen here, they put the
[4:31:16] development that they want. How are they
[4:31:18] going to get in there to put out a fire
[4:31:20] that has a house that's five feet next
[4:31:22] to it? You're going to put three
[4:31:25] firefighters and a ladder in between
[4:31:28] there and drag the hose in? I don't
[4:31:31] think so.
[4:31:33] I don't think that would work at all.
[4:31:35] And I don't believe the fire chief would
[4:31:38] force those poor guys in there unless he
[4:31:40] had no choice.
[4:31:42] with the resoning that's being proposed,
[4:31:44] he would have no choice.
[4:31:46] >> Yeah.
[4:31:47] >> Thank you, gentlemen.
[4:31:49] >> Thank you, Mr.
[4:31:52] M. Appreciate it. Thank you.
[4:31:54] >> Is there anyone else that's an opponent
[4:31:56] to this case? Sir, sir, come on up.
[4:31:57] Yeah,
[4:32:00] >> let me go swear you in. Yeah, you got
[4:32:02] it.
[4:32:04] >> I got you. Perfect. You're good.
[4:32:08] All right, sir. And then uh let me go
[4:32:10] and swear you in. Do you swear to tell
[4:32:12] the truth, the whole truth, nothing but
[4:32:13] the truth? So hopey God.
[4:32:14] >> I do.
[4:32:14] >> Great. Where's yours, sir?
[4:32:16] >> My name is Richard Crocker. Live at 4630
[4:32:18] Shepherd Road.
[4:32:19] >> Yeah.
[4:32:20] >> My daughter lives at 4631. My son lives
[4:32:23] at 4632
[4:32:25] and also on 4642.
[4:32:27] That is the salvage yard.
[4:32:30] Uh
[4:32:32] it's just too many houses for a small
[4:32:34] space. I guess my first question is in
[4:32:37] the R2
[4:32:39] quarter acre lots.
[4:32:41] They argued that you could put 20 houses
[4:32:44] on that land.
[4:32:46] We still got to deduct for the black
[4:32:47] top, pension ponds, SIBO area. So now,
[4:32:52] how many houses can they put? They're
[4:32:54] not required to show that because that's
[4:32:56] not his plan.
[4:32:57] >> But I think there's a there's a method.
[4:33:00] It's probably, like they said, nine or
[4:33:02] 10. So if it was quarter acre lot
[4:33:05] houses, you just raise the price a
[4:33:07] little bit.
[4:33:08] he would still get his profit margin.
[4:33:11] Uh at the 18 houses proposed, he's
[4:33:14] probably at a $10 million project. I
[4:33:17] don't know if um got it down to quarter
[4:33:20] acre lots, say 10 houses,
[4:33:24] probably wouldn't be that far off. The
[4:33:26] price got raised a little bit. They
[4:33:27] would still sell. That's what I want. I
[4:33:30] want less houses, more land. The green
[4:33:34] space would be the yards that would
[4:33:36] absorb the water.
[4:33:38] instead of so many gutters, so many
[4:33:39] shank, so many roofs. Uh, yeah, there's
[4:33:43] going to be a storm sewer on that
[4:33:44] property. There's going to be a storm
[4:33:46] sewer and it's going to have pipes going
[4:33:47] to the detention ponds, the water
[4:33:49] holding areas. It's got to go out
[4:33:51] eventually. So, there is going to be a
[4:33:53] water problem. It's just too many houses
[4:33:55] on a small lot. Just too many. It's just
[4:34:00] How would you like to have 18 houses pop
[4:34:02] up in your backyard? And, you know, I
[4:34:04] own the land right next to it. My
[4:34:06] daughter lives there. Yes, she's going
[4:34:08] to request she request him to put up a
[4:34:11] fence if that's if that goes through
[4:34:13] tonight. She's sitting right there. She
[4:34:16] would like to have a fence
[4:34:20] instead of trees.
[4:34:23] She don't want people looking at her.
[4:34:24] She don't want to look at nobody, I
[4:34:25] guess. So, she would like a fence. Um,
[4:34:31] I did go around and get all the
[4:34:32] signatures
[4:34:34] because
[4:34:36] My first thought was when Kevin Sal
[4:34:38] shared the the letter with me, it's too
[4:34:41] many houses. Yeah. And the fire marshall
[4:34:43] should speak, but he won't because he'd
[4:34:45] lose his job. Too close together. One
[4:34:49] cow's catching on fire and they're 12
[4:34:51] feet apart. And I realized it's five
[4:34:54] feet and five. That's 10. But it's
[4:34:56] probably more like six and six. It' be
[4:34:57] 12.
[4:34:59] Burn them all down. How would you get
[4:35:01] there in time? That's one. That's
[4:35:04] another thing. I'm not very good at
[4:35:06] talking places like this, but
[4:35:07] >> that's okay. You're good.
[4:35:09] >> This is just wrong. It's just too many.
[4:35:12] I'm not I'm not against developing. I'm
[4:35:15] against overdeveloping. And this is a
[4:35:17] prime case of overdeveloping. It's just
[4:35:20] too many.
[4:35:23] Yeah, I'm happy that they've got it
[4:35:24] sold.
[4:35:26] No big deal. Did I make an offer on it?
[4:35:29] I did. Didn't get it. I'm good. I'm not
[4:35:32] mad about that.
[4:35:35] It's too many houses. It's too many.
[4:35:38] >> There should be an amendment, an
[4:35:40] adjustment. And how can I force them to
[4:35:43] show the the drawing? You know, you
[4:35:45] can't put 20 houses there. It ain't like
[4:35:47] if you had 20 quarter acre lots parallel
[4:35:50] with the street.
[4:35:52] That'd be five acres. And everybody
[4:35:55] entered Shepherd from sheep from
[4:35:57] Shepherd Road to their house. That would
[4:35:59] be what you're trying to say. 20 houses
[4:36:02] on five acres quarter acre at a time.
[4:36:05] If you deduct for the streets, deduct
[4:36:07] for all the other things, you're going
[4:36:09] to get 20 houses in there on R2. It's
[4:36:11] going to be more like 10.
[4:36:14] So that's this is an upgrade. This is
[4:36:17] not a downgrade from 20 to 18. This is
[4:36:21] not a downgrade. We are not getting uh a
[4:36:24] bone thrown to us here. We're not
[4:36:26] getting something special. It's an
[4:36:28] upgrade.
[4:36:30] I realize they got to make a profit. I
[4:36:32] realize they got to make money. If you
[4:36:34] spend money, you deserve to make money.
[4:36:35] Not not not mad about that. That's all
[4:36:38] good.
[4:36:39] But it's just too many houses for for
[4:36:42] where it's going. And it's a dead end
[4:36:44] street. It's one way in, one way out. Uh
[4:36:47] I drive a big truck up down that road
[4:36:48] every day. Every day. A Mac truck. I get
[4:36:52] over and stop for people. I wave. I
[4:36:55] thank them. You know what I mean? For
[4:36:56] giving me space. Shepherd Road is a real
[4:37:00] weird entrance and exit. There's trees.
[4:37:04] There's telephone poles at the bright at
[4:37:05] the corner. I've touched them many times
[4:37:07] with semi trailers. Okay. It's just
[4:37:10] tight. It's It's just wrong to keep
[4:37:13] adding more housing and that many.
[4:37:17] And eventually there's like Elmer
[4:37:19] Griggsby owns 35 acres.
[4:37:22] He's 93 years old. I mean, my place
[4:37:25] ain't never going to get developed.
[4:37:26] Who'd want that?
[4:37:28] >> You know, who'd want that? It ain't
[4:37:30] never going to get developed. It's only
[4:37:32] got a 20 foot entry by about 150, 200
[4:37:34] feet and it's 8 and a half acres back
[4:37:36] there. But who'd want to develop that?
[4:37:38] Nobody. So, I know that my son's taking
[4:37:40] it when I'm gone. I'm good with that.
[4:37:44] It's just It's just too many for the
[4:37:46] spot. So, keep it. Please keep it R2. It
[4:37:50] will adjust. He'll still make money. It
[4:37:53] will adjust. what is the exact number of
[4:37:55] houses when he redraws it and and you
[4:37:58] know he's drawn it three or four
[4:38:00] different ways when he looked at it to
[4:38:03] buy it for R2 he draw it wasn't enough
[4:38:07] housing and money profit margin if you
[4:38:10] keep it R2 he'll redraw it price might
[4:38:13] be a little more because it's a little
[4:38:14] bit more lands
[4:38:17] houses more land the grass will soak it
[4:38:19] up and it'll be more green the the
[4:38:23] perimeter will be the They'll put the
[4:38:24] pine trees up and the three-foot little
[4:38:27] grassy areas. It'll be less houses
[4:38:32] make it
[4:38:35] maker. Any questions?
[4:38:36] >> I I do actually for Mr. Flouty. So, but
[4:38:40] first off, I want to correct myself that
[4:38:42] water is flowing east. I said north. So,
[4:38:45] my apologies on that. Mr. FL those
[4:38:48] detention ponds.
[4:38:50] >> Mhm.
[4:38:50] >> Where does the water go? If there's no
[4:38:52] storm sores along Shepard, where does
[4:38:55] water where does the storm water drain
[4:38:56] to?
[4:38:57] >> Yeah. So there's design calculations put
[4:39:00] into place. And one of the reasons why
[4:39:02] you see three well so there's two
[4:39:05] detention, one retention. It's because
[4:39:08] the site is very flat. So they're having
[4:39:10] to capture the water and bring it and
[4:39:12] hold it. And then it slowly gets
[4:39:14] released to the level to where it
[4:39:18] doesn't affect the surrounding
[4:39:20] properties. There's storm water
[4:39:22] calculations done
[4:39:24] >> that
[4:39:26] they capture the flow on this site and
[4:39:30] >> one of them is like a spillway. One of
[4:39:32] them would be like a spillway
[4:39:34] >> that gets filled up. the pipe of juice.
[4:39:37] >> Uh the the two are grass
[4:39:39] >> so they you know fill up they'll slowly
[4:39:42] release and then the other ones
[4:39:43] >> understand
[4:39:44] >> I understand that we all understand
[4:39:46] that.
[4:39:48] >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have
[4:39:50] chairman. And the the thing that Jeff
[4:39:52] brought up about the the water now
[4:39:54] running from the flatter area of the
[4:39:56] land
[4:39:57] >> towards the ditch next to my daughter
[4:40:01] >> and then uh if you're standing in front
[4:40:03] of my daughter's house it' be left. I
[4:40:05] guess that would be north. I'm confused
[4:40:07] on that. This guy is
[4:40:09] >> that pipe that goes underneath Sheepard
[4:40:12] Road.
[4:40:13] >> The Leon and Glenn Bishop had worked on
[4:40:15] that catch face because that was
[4:40:17] originally Bishop property back in the
[4:40:20] 60s.
[4:40:22] >> They had worked on that catch phase. I
[4:40:24] remember talking to them when they did
[4:40:26] that and Glenn that was their
[4:40:28] [clears throat] brother. Okay. It does
[4:40:31] leave there, crosses Shepard Road, goes
[4:40:33] between Jeff's house and I used to call
[4:40:35] it the house and goes down between
[4:40:38] those two houses. Then it goes
[4:40:40] underneath the junkyard driveway and
[4:40:42] runs down on the left side of the
[4:40:44] junkyard towards an acres center. It's
[4:40:47] been that way. My family's been on this
[4:40:49] street for 95 years. Been that way
[4:40:51] forever and it works. Does it get a
[4:40:54] little backed up once in a while? That's
[4:40:56] what you scream, but it does. So that's
[4:40:58] been there forever.
[4:41:01] Is it going to overflow that? Yeah, it's
[4:41:03] possible.
[4:41:05] It's very possible because we all
[4:41:07] understand what gutter water, shingle
[4:41:10] water, house water, concrete water,
[4:41:12] black top water moves fast. It moves
[4:41:15] quick. It don't saturate into the
[4:41:16] ground. Everybody understands that. So,
[4:41:20] I ask you please keep it R2.
[4:41:23] if he if he still wants to pursue a a
[4:41:26] building project, a um you know, a
[4:41:29] subdivision project, he will he'll
[4:41:32] adjust it. He'll raise the price a
[4:41:35] little bit. It'll still work. Now, is he
[4:41:37] allowed to call it a subdivision then? I
[4:41:39] don't know that answer. That'd be on
[4:41:40] you. Is he allowed to have an HOA an HOA
[4:41:43] then?
[4:41:44] >> I don't know that answer. That's on
[4:41:46] >> and I realize that's what he's after.
[4:41:48] >> Okay.
[4:41:50] >> Mr. Crocker, I'm curious.
[4:41:52] I'm sorry, Mr. Lug. Do you have any
[4:41:54] questions for Mr. Crux?
[4:41:56] >> No, I'm good. Thank you, Mr. Cer. You
[4:41:57] put an offer in. Um, have you thought
[4:42:00] about matching or beating whatever Mr.
[4:42:04] >> When I did put the offer in the the
[4:42:06] second offer I did put in with my
[4:42:08] realtor,
[4:42:10] um,
[4:42:12] they said it was rejected and they had a
[4:42:14] they were under contract at that time.
[4:42:17] So, and we waited, never heard nothing
[4:42:19] back and it was fine. I'm not mad about
[4:42:22] that. I'm really not.
[4:42:24] >> Um
[4:42:25] >> I'm just cur curious if you ever want to
[4:42:27] go higher than what Mr. Gibbs is
[4:42:28] offering and buy the land yourself.
[4:42:30] >> Wow,
[4:42:33] that's a good question.
[4:42:37] » I'm sure he's he's got some expenses
[4:42:38] now.
[4:42:39] >> I I don't think the owners really care.
[4:42:41] They just want to sell it and make as
[4:42:42] much money as they can. So,
[4:42:43] >> well, I feel some animosity from from
[4:42:46] David here. I feel some animosity from
[4:42:48] him throwing me under the bus every time
[4:42:51] to come to a meeting like this. I am not
[4:42:53] mad no more that I
[4:42:54] >> No, it's interesting. My my question
[4:42:56] though is is is I that I'll let you two
[4:42:58] work out your all
[4:42:59] >> Yeah. Would I still be interested? Well,
[4:43:00] yes, I would. And what would I do with
[4:43:02] the place? I'll tell you. I would
[4:43:04] renovate the old house.
[4:43:06] >> Put 30, 40,000 in it. I'd fix it up.
[4:43:10] It's fixable. Anything's fixable.
[4:43:12] >> Sure.
[4:43:12] >> I'd put somebody in within the family.
[4:43:14] >> I would make a large green space toward
[4:43:16] my daughter's house. I would mow that
[4:43:18] every week. I would leave the back trees
[4:43:21] border to Willoughbrook. Um, and I'd pay
[4:43:24] taxes on a on almost a 5 acre place the
[4:43:28] rest of my life.
[4:43:29] >> Yeah,
[4:43:29] >> that's what I'd do with it.
[4:43:30] >> Fair enough.
[4:43:31] >> I mean, there was a there was a thought
[4:43:32] years ago when I first talked to Irma
[4:43:34] about buying it. I wanted to build a
[4:43:36] house next to my daughter's house in
[4:43:39] between the two and and have just one
[4:43:42] house there and maybe somebody else in
[4:43:44] my family would get my house. I I that
[4:43:47] was just a thought,
[4:43:48] >> but that thought's changed. You know
[4:43:50] what I mean? I've had a lot of different
[4:43:52] things happen in my life since then.
[4:43:53] >> Yeah. Understand?
[4:43:54] >> Could I afford to buy it? Absolutely.
[4:43:57] That ain't the problem.
[4:43:59] >> Yeah.
[4:43:59] >> That ain't the problem. And they know
[4:44:00] that.
[4:44:01] >> Okay.
[4:44:02] >> And I'm happy that the man's bought it
[4:44:03] and he's going to develop it. I'm good
[4:44:05] with that. It's just too many houses for
[4:44:08] that little spot. It's 4.7. I mean, I
[4:44:10] can't even understand how you can have a
[4:44:12] subdivision on that tiny of a spot.
[4:44:15] other there should be a guidelines for
[4:44:18] against that. You should have 30 acres
[4:44:21] with 50 houses to call it a subdivision.
[4:44:24] That's just me thinking out of the box.
[4:44:26] >> Appreciate you, Mr. Crocker. Thank you
[4:44:28] very much. Yeah. Thank you, sir.
[4:44:30] >> Think we're okay. Yeah. Thank you, sir.
[4:44:31] Thank you.
[4:44:32] >> Is there anyone else that's an opponent
[4:44:33] of this case?
[4:44:35] >> Okay. See, one more. Please go ahead.
[4:44:37] Yeah.
[4:44:45] Democracy is not clean.
[4:44:53] » I had no idea that this meeting Oh, I'm
[4:44:55] sorry. Swear me.
[4:44:56] >> I'm tired.
[4:44:56] >> I swear to tell the truth, the whole
[4:44:58] truth. Nothing about the truth. Help
[4:44:58] you.
[4:44:59] >> You bet. I will.
[4:45:00] >> Go ahead. State your name.
[4:45:01] >> So, uh, I had no idea this meeting was
[4:45:04] going to go this long and I didn't bring
[4:45:06] my back medicine, so I am in pain, but
[4:45:08] that's okay. It's important.
[4:45:10] >> Yes, ma'am. Um, my name is Deb Bond or
[4:45:13] Debbie Bond. Uh, I'm the wife of Mr.
[4:45:15] Jeff. Uh, I live at 4634 Shepard Road in
[4:45:20] Betavia. And we are the house that's
[4:45:23] across the street from Cindy's and and
[4:45:26] uh and Dan's. Dan has the one and then
[4:45:29] Cindy's next to that. And we're across
[4:45:30] the street and we're the one that has
[4:45:32] the creek as well.
[4:45:34] >> It's not really a creek. It's a drainage
[4:45:35] ditch, but I'm going to talk about that
[4:45:37] here in a minute.
[4:45:39] Um,
[4:45:41] one thing we've been there about 10
[4:45:43] years and a couple things that I really
[4:45:45] liked about living on Shepard Road is
[4:45:48] that it's it feels very rural. You know,
[4:45:51] there's there's houses we have a half an
[4:45:53] acre. Uh, our house was built in 1949,
[4:45:56] so apparently it's not zoned at all.
[4:45:58] That's what they told us in the zoning
[4:46:00] meeting. Uh, that it's not an R1. It's
[4:46:02] just because it was built before 1959, I
[4:46:05] think. So, there's no zoning to it.
[4:46:07] Yeah. Sure.
[4:46:08] >> Which is fine. We wanted a little land.
[4:46:09] We wanted um you know, peace and quiet.
[4:46:12] There's no um Sorry, I'm so tired.
[4:46:15] There's no um street lights. Uh so it's
[4:46:20] nice and quiet. You hear the crickets
[4:46:22] speaking and the frogs are, you know,
[4:46:24] there's there's um wildlife in the in
[4:46:28] the uh creek itself. Um, and it's just
[4:46:32] nice to be able to sit out on the porch,
[4:46:34] front porch, and listen to that and to
[4:46:36] see the trees and all those beautiful w
[4:46:38] woods that you can see there and it's
[4:46:42] going to all be gone. And I just don't
[4:46:43] understand it. The wildlife that comes
[4:46:45] out of there, we get deer, we get fox,
[4:46:47] we get raccoons, uh, possum, all kinds
[4:46:50] of stuff like that. So, that bothers me.
[4:46:54] The second thing, and people have
[4:46:55] brought this up, is if you have 18
[4:46:57] houses on there, uh, and everybody has
[4:47:00] two cars. We actually have three. Not
[4:47:02] that we drive them all at the same time,
[4:47:04] but we do. But so you're talking at
[4:47:06] least a minimum of 40 cars. And it's
[4:47:10] kind of misleading the the way that that
[4:47:12] road goes. It goes down. It dips down
[4:47:15] and curves around. And we're right on
[4:47:17] the dip in the curve. Okay. So,
[4:47:21] when I used to drive my Miata, uh, it
[4:47:24] would be really scary, you know, to try
[4:47:26] to look, and I'm short, look out this
[4:47:28] way, look out this way, look out this way again, go, you
[4:47:32] know, so you wouldn't get hit. I have a
[4:47:34] bigger, taller car now, but it's still a
[4:47:36] problem getting out of there. And with
[4:47:38] more traffic, just three doors down, I
[4:47:41] just, it's just not right. There's a lot
[4:47:43] of people that walk their dogs, run,
[4:47:46] kids on bicycles, people, you know, and
[4:47:49] I I fear for them. I do if there's more
[4:47:51] cars. So, another 40 cars. I don't see
[4:47:54] it. Um, people mention the speed limit
[4:47:56] of 35.
[4:47:57] That's just it should be 30 or less. It
[4:48:00] really should because it is very narrow.
[4:48:02] You do have to be very careful uh not to
[4:48:06] fall in the ditch because the ditches
[4:48:07] along the road is where the water goes
[4:48:10] and to not hit them as you're going. So,
[4:48:12] it it's a little scary. Um, but the
[4:48:15] biggest thing that concerns me with that
[4:48:17] many homes and with the
[4:48:21] retention, well, first of all, the
[4:48:22] retention uh pond, um, I'm assuming that
[4:48:26] they're going to have something in there
[4:48:28] to make it move around so that the
[4:48:30] mosquitoes don't grow in there. I mean,
[4:48:32] I'm not sure how that works. So,
[4:48:35] concerned about that. Then we had the
[4:48:37] two detention ponds, right? one on the
[4:48:40] one side and one on side right next
[4:48:42] really to where um
[4:48:46] where uh I'm sorry I'm so tired where um
[4:48:50] uh Dan uh Dan's house there's going to
[4:48:53] be one back in that wood that has a gap
[4:48:56] right and it is all going to go down
[4:48:58] into our creek. Now, here's the thing
[4:48:59] about our creek.
[4:49:03] After it goes underneath the shepherd
[4:49:06] road and it goes into the culvert or
[4:49:07] whatever it is and it comes down, right,
[4:49:09] [clears throat] it drops about 20 feet
[4:49:12] deep. It's that steep. It's not just a
[4:49:14] creek. It's steep. Okay? And the
[4:49:18] pictures that my husband showed you is
[4:49:20] showing you the low part of our our So,
[4:49:23] it goes like that. And that's the part
[4:49:26] that flooded.
[4:49:27] >> Yeah. But it also flooded all the way to
[4:49:31] our fence line which is also another 18
[4:49:35] ft deep. So that was a lot of water.
[4:49:39] Okay. I'm concerned, you know, if
[4:49:41] somebody was some child was playing in
[4:49:43] that water and thought it was just a
[4:49:45] pond, you know, boom, dead. It's gone.
[4:49:48] You know what I'm saying? It's a big
[4:49:49] drop off.
[4:49:50] >> Doesn't really show it there, but it is.
[4:49:54] Um, I just wondered whether anyone has
[4:49:58] um checked with Claremont County soil
[4:50:00] and water to make sure that the water
[4:50:02] flow is going to be right for this creek
[4:50:06] area. It's not going to be flooded even
[4:50:08] more when it rains when they release
[4:50:11] these detention ponds because it is all
[4:50:14] going into that creek.
[4:50:16] Um,
[4:50:18] so that's it. I'm sorry. I had no idea
[4:50:20] this was going to be this long, this
[4:50:22] late.
[4:50:24] And I got to get up and go to work
[4:50:25] tomorrow. So, there you go.
[4:50:27] >> Likewise,
[4:50:27] >> and him Yeah. My husband's got to get up
[4:50:29] at 4 a.m., so we're tired.
[4:50:32] So, I just want to I just I think I'm
[4:50:35] like Mr. Proctor. We just don't want as
[4:50:37] many homes there.
[4:50:38] >> Less homes, less water. We're not
[4:50:41] looking to widen the street. We like the
[4:50:43] street. It's It's rural. It's a one-way
[4:50:46] street that goes back several miles, but
[4:50:49] we like that. We like that there's no
[4:50:51] street lights. We like that there's no
[4:50:53] sidewalks. I think the reason a lot of
[4:50:55] people live on Shepard and stay on
[4:50:57] Shepard is because it feels like
[4:51:01] country living and yet you're just
[4:51:03] around the corner from the escape. So,
[4:51:06] I think I said enough as I'm really
[4:51:08] tired. I need to go to bed.
[4:51:10] >> Mr. Re, do you have any questions?
[4:51:11] >> Yeah. Do you have any questions about
[4:51:12] the ditch in the creek and how
[4:51:14] >> You did good. You did a good job
[4:51:15] explaining. Appreciate you very much.
[4:51:16] Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, miss.
[4:51:18] Appreciate you.
[4:51:19] >> Thank you. Sorry.
[4:51:19] >> Is there anyone else that's an opponent
[4:51:21] of this case? Please come on up, sir.
[4:51:22] Yeah.
[4:51:24] >> Oh,
[4:51:27] wait. I just want to go to
[4:51:30] whatever you want to do.
[4:51:31] >> Thank you.
[4:51:34] » You sure?
[4:51:35] >> Yeah.
[4:51:36] >> I'll let you know once.
[4:51:38] >> All right. Okay. All right. Let me know.
[4:51:39] All right. Let me go swear you in. You
[4:51:40] swear to tell the truth, the whole truth
[4:51:42] about the truth. So hope you got God.
[4:51:43] >> I do.
[4:51:43] >> Okay, great. Floor is yours, sir.
[4:51:45] >> Uh my name is Jeff Beal. Um I live at
[4:51:47] 989 Shepard Woods Court. It's actually
[4:51:50] behind site 13, I think it is.
[4:51:53] >> Okay. Yeah.
[4:51:54] >> Um I do have a couple concerns. Um
[4:51:57] it's the first trustee meeting ever been
[4:51:59] to, so it's kind of new new to me. I
[4:52:01] wasn't expecting to be here till as late
[4:52:03] as it is. So I'll be try to be quick.
[4:52:06] Looking at the previous case that was up
[4:52:08] here, I He had everybody lined up, you
[4:52:11] know, and every resident that lived in
[4:52:13] there knew what was going to happen.
[4:52:14] They knew what who was building the
[4:52:16] homes. They knew everything. Who's
[4:52:18] building the homes? I mean, what's going
[4:52:21] in there? That's great. He's got the
[4:52:22] property. He's got a plan. What kind of
[4:52:24] homes are going in there? You know, they
[4:52:26] the previous case they built they built
[4:52:29] the case for us homeowners around them
[4:52:31] to know what was going to happen here.
[4:52:33] What's going on? Is it his parent
[4:52:35] company buying building the homes? I
[4:52:37] don't know.
[4:52:39] So
[4:52:41] that's where I have a concern. You know,
[4:52:44] my house was just re-evaluated. My wife
[4:52:46] and I are putting a pool in. So I know
[4:52:48] what my house is worth. You know, what
[4:52:51] kind of home is going to go in right
[4:52:52] behind us. You know, is it going to
[4:52:55] lower my value? You know, all this money
[4:52:57] that I've invested. Talking about
[4:52:59] drainage. I got water that comes right
[4:53:01] through my the side of my house because
[4:53:03] of that property. My wife and I had to
[4:53:05] put a French train in back in 2020. It
[4:53:07] helped, but it doesn't it's not perfect.
[4:53:11] So, and I'm trying to be quick here
[4:53:14] because I know it's late, but those are
[4:53:15] my concerns.
[4:53:17] If you pull up that map for site 13, you
[4:53:20] can see how close my house is and that
[4:53:22] property line has barely anything there
[4:53:24] that separates me from that community.
[4:53:27] You know, yeah, you got a retention pond
[4:53:28] or whatever it is, but am I going to get
[4:53:30] more runoff because now they don't have
[4:53:31] a storm sewer?
[4:53:34] You know, I'm not opposed to community.
[4:53:37] In fact, if you look at that drawing,
[4:53:38] there's a there's a barn right there. I
[4:53:41] literally in the back of my house look a
[4:53:42] barn, an old barn that's been there 40
[4:53:44] years. It's a pretty decent fall. So, I
[4:53:46] don't mind having somebody live behind
[4:53:48] me, you know, that might actually invest
[4:53:50] in the back of their property, have
[4:53:52] something nice to look at.
[4:53:54] >> It's just what's going to go in there,
[4:53:56] >> you know.
[4:53:57] So, if this gets approved,
[4:54:01] which you know, I I've shared my
[4:54:04] concerns up to this point. Can we get
[4:54:07] can I get some kind of buffer between my
[4:54:08] house and and my fellow neighbors on
[4:54:11] Shepherd Woods? You know, I know each
[4:54:13] and every one of them and has invested a
[4:54:14] lot of money in into clearing their own
[4:54:17] land. When I bought my property, it was
[4:54:19] full of pine suck and everything. spent
[4:54:21] a lot of money dropping trees, building
[4:54:23] a deck, you know, putting up a fence,
[4:54:26] just like probably all of you. I wanted
[4:54:28] your homes to look nice. You know, I
[4:54:30] have five kids. I'm getting ready to
[4:54:32] have a six guardianship of a six.
[4:54:34] >> You know, I got a pool going in and what
[4:54:37] kind of what kind of homeowner is going
[4:54:38] to be living 40 feet from that pool
[4:54:40] where my kids are going to be in bathing
[4:54:41] suits?
[4:54:43] So, you know,
[4:54:46] what kind of uh privacy can this
[4:54:50] developer or whoever is going to be
[4:54:52] building this property offer me to get
[4:54:55] my blessing? I'm not going to be
[4:54:57] building it because it's his property,
[4:54:58] but you know,
[4:55:04] » no, appreciate it, Mr. Beto. The uh Mr.
[4:55:06] Becker, any questions, sir?
[4:55:09] >> Um, again, Mr. Flouty, I got a question
[4:55:11] for Mr. Flouty.
[4:55:13] So, if we don't know who the builder is
[4:55:15] for this development, how is it we have
[4:55:17] the elevations for the for the for the
[4:55:19] houses for the
[4:55:21] >> in our packet?
[4:55:22] >> Yeah. They would have to follow the
[4:55:24] specification. So, you would still be
[4:55:26] looking at single family one to twotory
[4:55:29] homes.
[4:55:30] >> They're not necessarily what we have in
[4:55:32] the packet.
[4:55:32] >> We ask the developer when he comes up.
[4:55:34] Yeah.
[4:55:34] >> Can we ask the developer when he comes
[4:55:35] up?
[4:55:37] >> We just ask the developer when he comes
[4:55:38] up. Okay, that's fine. I was just trying
[4:55:40] to
[4:55:40] >> just curious
[4:55:42] to the points. No, I got a note about
[4:55:45] the buffer and I plan to ask the
[4:55:47] developer about that when that comes up
[4:55:48] and I appreciate you, Mr. Beck.
[4:55:50] >> That's all I appreciate you. Thank you.
[4:55:51] sir.
[4:55:52] >> Thank you. Okay. Is there anyone else
[4:55:53] that's opposed to this development?
[4:55:56] Okay. See, see.
[4:55:59] Okay.
[4:56:02] [snorts]
[4:56:07] All right. Come on up. Yeah. Yeah. Hand
[4:56:10] to Mr. Campbell.
[4:56:11] >> Thank you.
[4:56:14] >> And then uh let me go and swear you in
[4:56:15] and name that address for the record.
[4:56:17] You swear to tell the truth, the whole
[4:56:18] truth. Are they both the truth? Help you
[4:56:19] God. So help me God.
[4:56:20] >> All right. And then name address for the
[4:56:22] record, sir.
[4:56:23] >> Mark Watkins, 4626 Shepard Road. I'm
[4:56:27] Richard's neighbor.
[4:56:28] >> Yep.
[4:56:29] >> And also
[4:56:32] was partial family with Irma. Her
[4:56:36] brothers helped
[4:56:37] make
[4:56:39] developments on my land to fix a wide
[4:56:41] open ditch that was left there from the
[4:56:43] 60s.
[4:56:44] >> Yeah.
[4:56:44] >> I mean,
[4:56:46] >> that's my my brother-in-law p former
[4:56:49] brother-in-law. He's dead. That's part
[4:56:52] of their family.
[4:56:53] >> Oh, I see. Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah.
[4:56:56] >> It's not that we oppose the development.
[4:56:59] It's just too many.
[4:57:03] There is water problems. We all know
[4:57:05] there's water problems from beginning to
[4:57:08] teal town just before Shepard all the
[4:57:11] way down Shepard.
[4:57:15] There's no storm sewers. It's a skinny
[4:57:17] road. It's got ditches.
[4:57:21] [clears throat and cough]
[4:57:22] As you go down Shephard before you get
[4:57:25] to the first hump that goes up by
[4:57:28] Blackberry,
[4:57:29] >> all the water from the top of Shephard
[4:57:31] goes down there and goes into a creek.
[4:57:34] That creek follows along in the back of
[4:57:37] all the houses before me
[4:57:41] and Richards. I've got one in my
[4:57:44] sideyard.
[4:57:46] The crook that they uh the ditch that
[4:57:49] they covered up, we put pipe in. We put
[4:57:52] in a storm sewer. and Friday storms.
[4:57:56] Water was boiling over from across the
[4:57:59] street and boiling out of my storm sewer
[4:58:02] a good foot and a half, two foot tall.
[4:58:04] Sure.
[4:58:05] >> There was a river that run through my
[4:58:07] property 6 to 8 foot wide that went down
[4:58:10] to the creek next to my barn on the
[4:58:12] lower part of my property.
[4:58:17] The water problems on Shepherd, it's not
[4:58:19] uncommon.
[4:58:22] And if you look at the topographical lay
[4:58:24] of the land, all of Willoughbrook in
[4:58:27] that area between Cindy's house and our
[4:58:31] house, it's not it's flat, but it's not
[4:58:34] really flat. It all goes down into that
[4:58:37] little valley where their house is.
[4:58:40] So, how are you going to route all this
[4:58:42] rain water to these retention ponds?
[4:58:46] They have nowhere for it to go anyway,
[4:58:48] but pasting through their lots. We've
[4:58:51] all got water problems.
[4:58:53] Adding all that much roof space, con,
[4:58:57] you know, driveways,
[4:58:59] you're making the water problems worse.
[4:59:03] Like they were saying at R2,
[4:59:07] 8 to 10 houses is more than enough on
[4:59:09] Shepard Road, not 18.
[4:59:14] I mean, I don't know what the rules are.
[4:59:17] Like the HOA,
[4:59:19] but Shephard,
[4:59:22] the development, Shephard Woods just
[4:59:24] passed that.
[4:59:26] They stuck with the AR, too. They had no
[4:59:30] problems with it.
[4:59:32] So, why would you take that much land as
[4:59:34] opposed to a smaller plot of land and
[4:59:38] try to put more houses on it?
[4:59:42] There's just
[4:59:44] It's not good for the neighborhood.
[4:59:47] >> Thank you.
[4:59:48] Mr. Watkins. Thank you, Mr.
[4:59:50] Becker. Mr. Logan, anything?
[4:59:52] >> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
[4:59:54] >> Yeah, come on up, sir, please. Yeah,
[4:59:55] love to have you. All right.
[5:00:01] » Appreciate your service, by the way.
[5:00:02] >> Thank you. Yes, sir.
[5:00:04] >> Appreciate.
[5:00:05] >> Thank you for your service.
[5:00:07] >> Okay, let me go and swear you in. Do you
[5:00:08] swear to tell truth, the whole truth,
[5:00:10] nothing but the truth, so shall be God?
[5:00:11] >> I do.
[5:00:11] >> Great. Great. Great. uh for your s the
[5:00:13] name and address for the record.
[5:00:14] >> Uh yes, my name is Doyle Castile. Live
[5:00:18] at 4638
[5:00:20] Locust Grove Court and
[5:00:24] uh our property
[5:00:26] is right
[5:00:29] um
[5:00:31] right there. The kind of high shot.
[5:00:35] We we have the longest property line
[5:00:38] against
[5:00:40] um that property and I have been around
[5:00:46] [clears throat] the building
[5:00:48] uh industry for since 1970
[5:00:53] >> and um I have seen
[5:00:56] a lot of houses go up. I've worked in
[5:00:59] the houses and around the construction
[5:01:02] areas and I have never seen a house
[5:01:07] built on that small of a lot. And um and
[5:01:12] I because we back right up to that
[5:01:16] property
[5:01:18] u and I look at what is what they're
[5:01:22] trying to put in. It's just not
[5:01:27] um too many houses for the amount of the
[5:01:31] property.
[5:01:32] And I like I said, I've never seen a
[5:01:35] house built on that small of a lot.
[5:01:39] And the houses that I worked on back in
[5:01:44] the 70s and 80s and 90s and on up
[5:01:49] >> uh have all been in $300,000
[5:01:53] houses at that time.
[5:01:58] » So I I don't feel that
[5:02:02] um that we should have that many houses
[5:02:06] back there. Plus the strain. Uh we have
[5:02:11] enough strain right now on the
[5:02:13] electrical
[5:02:15] uh grid back there. We're constantly
[5:02:18] losing electric. Uh that's going to put
[5:02:21] more burden on the uh electrical system.
[5:02:26] Um it's all overhead wiring.
[5:02:30] So that's going to put a extra strain on
[5:02:33] the electrical system.
[5:02:35] and um
[5:02:38] and of course the water problems and
[5:02:40] everything that you run into. So
[5:02:44] um that that's my feelings and
[5:02:49] um I don't want to see it to be that
[5:02:53] much and have to worry about what uh
[5:02:58] people move in back there.
[5:03:01] >> Thank you, Mr. Casio. Appreciate it, Mr.
[5:03:03] Becker. Mr. Lope. I have no, you know, I
[5:03:07] have no problems with them building
[5:03:09] houses there, but it's just too many
[5:03:13] houses for that
[5:03:15] property.
[5:03:16] >> Understand?
[5:03:16] >> All right. Thank you.
[5:03:17] >> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very
[5:03:18] much. Thank you.
[5:03:19] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to
[5:03:21] speak?
[5:03:22] >> Of course. Yeah. Come on up. Perfect.
[5:03:27] » That's okay. Then just speak slowly so
[5:03:29] Mr. Campbell can understand. Okay. Are
[5:03:31] you ready? Uh, you swear to tell the
[5:03:32] truth, the whole truth of the truth will
[5:03:34] be God.
[5:03:34] >> Yes.
[5:03:35] >> Great. Name and address for the record.
[5:03:37] >> Cindy Crocker Clark.
[5:03:39] >> My address is 4631 Shephard Road,
[5:03:43] Betavia.
[5:03:44] >> Perfect.
[5:03:45] >> Um, I live directly next to the property
[5:03:48] where they're wanting to build
[5:03:51] uh the 18 houses. I think it's um
[5:03:57] a crazy idea to put 18 houses in this
[5:04:01] tiny little spot. It doesn't fit the
[5:04:04] neighborhood. If you drive down Shepard,
[5:04:07] there's
[5:04:09] just house after house after house. And
[5:04:12] if you throw in just this little tiny
[5:04:15] road and you look and there's just I
[5:04:18] don't know.
[5:04:20] I don't It just doesn't fit. It it
[5:04:22] wouldn't fit to just look back and see
[5:04:25] just a a mega bunch of houses back
[5:04:28] there. I I I don't know. I grew up on
[5:04:31] this road. It it just wouldn't fit the
[5:04:33] neighborhood.
[5:04:35] Uh I already deal with water issues
[5:04:39] and I have a feeling that putting uh I
[5:04:44] think it's the detention pond is going
[5:04:46] to be like right next door to my house.
[5:04:50] Um, I have a feeling that's going to
[5:04:52] cause issues. Bugs, animals,
[5:04:56] um, more water issues.
[5:05:00] Um, noise.
[5:05:02] I'm going to have to deal with people in
[5:05:04] their houses and their cars and more
[5:05:06] noise than I already deal with on the
[5:05:08] road.
[5:05:10] Um, I mean, I could probably sit here
[5:05:13] and complain all night, but I don't want
[5:05:15] to keep you guys here all night.
[5:05:18] So, I just just come up. I wasn't gonna
[5:05:21] get up here, but I thought I'd get up
[5:05:23] here and just
[5:05:29] [clears throat]
[5:05:30] >> um if it were to go through. [snorts]
[5:05:32] Yeah. I mean, I like watching nature and
[5:05:35] stuff like that. There's a deer den back
[5:05:37] in my backyard right now.
[5:05:39] >> Yeah.
[5:05:39] >> Um but if it were to go through, I' i'd
[5:05:43] like to see a fence put up all the way
[5:05:44] around my yard.
[5:05:47] Did you say a deer den or deer pen?
[5:05:49] >> Den.
[5:05:50] What's a deer? Den.
[5:05:52] >> Like there's there's a mother and two
[5:05:54] fawns in my backyard.
[5:05:56] >> Oh, they just live out in the wild.
[5:05:57] That's okay.
[5:05:58] >> Yeah, I still have the woods back there.
[5:05:59] >> That's fine. Thank you.
[5:06:01] >> Okay, I got it. Loud and clear. Yeah.
[5:06:03] Thank you, Miss Crocker, very much. Yes,
[5:06:05] ma'am. You got Oh, I'm sorry. Did you
[5:06:06] want
[5:06:08] >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate you very
[5:06:09] much.
[5:06:10] >> Okay. Is there anyone else that like to
[5:06:11] talk on this?
[5:06:14] >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Please, please, please.
[5:06:20] >> I'd be remiss to say, my wife is texting
[5:06:22] me saying, "Hey, uh, remind them the
[5:06:25] $3,000 we spent um to regrade our
[5:06:28] backyard. We too have uh water issues."
[5:06:31] So, everybody mentioning the water
[5:06:33] issues, uh, reminded us of that. And
[5:06:36] then also, if this were to go through,
[5:06:39] uh, concessions are to be made. Uh, Mr.
[5:06:41] Beal and I, we are very close together.
[5:06:44] uh we share that buffer zone uh
[5:06:49] at the top of this picture, the north of
[5:06:50] this picture uh if you will, um where it
[5:06:53] will be and why I was asking earlier
[5:06:55] what the uh setback would be and so what
[5:06:59] was it uh 10 feet 14 to 19t or so? Could
[5:07:03] we potentially get an even deeper
[5:07:06] setback like the residents on Locust
[5:07:10] Grove get? Uh they get up to 30 feet in
[5:07:12] that buffer zone. So, I just wanted to
[5:07:14] throw that out there uh as well. Um so,
[5:07:18] >> okay, you got it. You got it. I
[5:07:20] appreciate it.
[5:07:23] » Perfect. Okay. Is there anyone else like
[5:07:25] to talk?
[5:07:27] >> Okay. Seeing none, uh Mr. Gibbs, come on
[5:07:30] up and then I will I will go ahead and
[5:07:31] close public session, sir. Public
[5:07:34] hearing. Uh I'll let you talk first, Mr.
[5:07:36] Gibbs. Anything you want to address and
[5:07:38] then I'm sure the board will have a
[5:07:39] couple questions for you.
[5:07:41] >> Let me get back to my notes here.
[5:07:44] Okay.
[5:07:47] Um, when we
[5:07:50] first went under contract for this land,
[5:07:52] it was my intention to bring a multif
[5:07:54] family development to you guys with 25
[5:07:57] units on it. Um, I came to a few trustee
[5:08:00] meetings to kind of feel the temperature
[5:08:01] of the township with multif family.
[5:08:04] >> Yeah. [snorts]
[5:08:04] >> And, uh, here we are. So, uh, you know,
[5:08:07] that's why we end up with a single
[5:08:08] family product.
[5:08:10] I do want to point out um
[5:08:12] [clears throat]
[5:08:14] the subdivision Shepard Woods Court
[5:08:16] that's to the uh west
[5:08:19] directly um off the corner the top right
[5:08:23] corner of that map
[5:08:25] the density there they have I just when
[5:08:27] I was sitting down took a map they have
[5:08:29] 17 houses in the same amount of density
[5:08:32] uh same amount of acreage on private
[5:08:34] driveways not not uh you know township
[5:08:37] streets and uh Willowbrook directly to
[5:08:40] the south has the same density, same 17
[5:08:43] houses on 4 point I think it was like
[5:08:46] six acres is what I came up with. Um and
[5:08:49] so
[5:08:52] our densities match or slightly slightly
[5:08:55] larger than what's currently there.
[5:08:59] >> We we put up a back that image up to
[5:09:01] where it was. Uh
[5:09:02] >> yeah, that one right there shows it the
[5:09:04] best with the yellow. Well, you see this
[5:09:05] one too.
[5:09:06] So, what I'm referring to is that area
[5:09:09] to the north of that photo. That's
[5:09:11] >> Yeah,
[5:09:11] >> I guess I would photo.
[5:09:14] >> If you if you measured the acreage,
[5:09:16] there's 17 houses in the same amount of
[5:09:18] acreage to the south to the on that map
[5:09:20] to the left of it where Willoughbrook
[5:09:22] is, same thing. There's 17 houses in the
[5:09:24] same amount of acreage there, too, with
[5:09:25] a street.
[5:09:27] >> So, um you know, so I do think we're we
[5:09:29] actually are matching the density in
[5:09:31] this subdivision. Um, as far as the we
[5:09:35] were talking about buffer zones on the
[5:09:37] back of the property and there was
[5:09:39] discussed that they were 15t I believe
[5:09:41] they're 30 feet on the back of the
[5:09:43] property. The tighter buffer is the one
[5:09:45] to the u uh sheep sheepard woods court
[5:09:49] side um where we combed that with a
[5:09:53] three-foot mound and some
[5:09:54] >> some landscape. So on I'm going to say
[5:09:57] to the left of that picture. So the
[5:09:58] houses that are butt up to the left of
[5:10:00] the of of the picture you're putting
[5:10:02] rolling hill mounds on there. Is that
[5:10:03] correct?
[5:10:04] >> To the left the long property line to
[5:10:06] the left.
[5:10:07] >> Yes.
[5:10:07] >> There's a 30 foot. We're keeping the
[5:10:09] trees. We're not cut.
[5:10:10] >> So like a no mo zone basically like
[5:10:12] Okay. Got it. Okay.
[5:10:13] >> And that's part of the green space for
[5:10:14] the subdivision.
[5:10:15] >> Craig, can you stay on the picture you
[5:10:16] had it at?
[5:10:20] » Yeah. Perfect. There you go. And then uh
[5:10:22] Okay. Okay. And then well, I'm going to
[5:10:23] say the top part of the picture where
[5:10:25] it's like a like a Z. There you go. What
[5:10:27] are we doing there?
[5:10:28] >> I can't tell from my map if it's 10 or
[5:10:30] 15 which Carl Carl can answer that was
[5:10:33] here, but it it's a different type of
[5:10:35] buffer. It's got the mound with the
[5:10:36] landscaping on it.
[5:10:37] >> Okay.
[5:10:38] >> Um same thing with the with Miss
[5:10:39] Crocker's along Miss Crocker. If you
[5:10:41] look at our site plan, there's a mound
[5:10:43] all the way around that property line,
[5:10:44] too.
[5:10:45] >> Um hypothetically, Miss Crocker, if this
[5:10:48] goes true, do you want do you want a
[5:10:49] mound with landscaping or do you want a
[5:10:51] fence?
[5:10:53] Roger that. Okay. All right. And then uh
[5:10:56] Okay. And then uh so basically is it
[5:10:58] mounds all the way all the way around
[5:11:00] the entire property basically
[5:11:01] >> and and 30 ft of trees? Yeah.
[5:11:03] >> Got it. Okay.
[5:11:04] >> Yes. Okay.
[5:11:04] >> Other than the road and there is some
[5:11:06] along the road too.
[5:11:08] >> Question. Please go ahead. Yeah.
[5:11:10] >> I heard [clears throat] Miss Crocker
[5:11:12] make the comment about a fence all the
[5:11:14] way around her property. I just want to
[5:11:16] clarify. Did you guys just discuss that
[5:11:19] or just about a fence along the border
[5:11:22] to his property?
[5:11:23] >> Yeah. So, so Mr. Gibbs, if so, so her
[5:11:26] pro do you know her property is that?
[5:11:28] >> Yes.
[5:11:29] >> Okay. Is that is that an issue to put up
[5:11:32] a fence basically like like an L right
[5:11:34] there? Would that be an issue? The
[5:11:35] thoughts, what do you think?
[5:11:37] >> No, it's not an issue.
[5:11:39] >> Okay.
[5:11:40] >> Now, the the house that's the second
[5:11:42] house or the house down from her,
[5:11:44] there's nothing behind them. It's just a
[5:11:46] retention pond. Would you be expecting a
[5:11:48] fence there?
[5:11:48] >> I don't think so.
[5:11:50] >> Um, [clears throat]
[5:11:57] » okay. Is that an issue? What are your
[5:11:58] thoughts?
[5:11:59] >> No. But
[5:12:00] >> Okay, fair enough. Okay. All right. All
[5:12:02] right. The things to consider. Okay. Um,
[5:12:04] >> but just so we're clear, we would be
[5:12:05] deleting the mount that goes around
[5:12:08] that.
[5:12:09] >> You can't You can't have both. You can't have both. So, yeah, that's
[5:12:12] what she shows. So, in the event it goes
[5:12:14] through. So,
[5:12:15] >> okay. Uh anything else on on your end
[5:12:17] that you want to go over?
[5:12:18] >> Uh it would discuss about the plans. Um
[5:12:20] none of our other So as you guys
[5:12:23] probably know by now, Maddox Development
[5:12:25] is part of a larger group, actual
[5:12:27] building group and the act Maddox group
[5:12:29] and we do build houses. I do want to
[5:12:31] reiterate we're not building these
[5:12:32] houses. Um I don't have a written
[5:12:35] agreement, but I have intentions from
[5:12:37] Fiser Homes to build these houses.
[5:12:39] >> Okay. Okay. Fisher homes. Okay. And that
[5:12:42] and the plans that we show came from
[5:12:44] Fisher Homes, the uh the the designs
[5:12:47] that you saw in this packet, see,
[5:12:50] >> but and that is obviously um there's
[5:12:53] some contingencies there and it's not a
[5:12:54] final deal, but that is our intention.
[5:12:56] >> Did you talk with the Arbor people
[5:12:58] today?
[5:12:59] >> Who?
[5:12:59] >> The Arbor people tonight. We should have
[5:13:02] >> compet competition might get you a
[5:13:03] better deal.
[5:13:05] >> Okay. Anything [clears throat] else on
[5:13:06] your end at all?
[5:13:09] uh the water drainage. I I think that
[5:13:11] our plan aims to improve the water
[5:13:13] drainage in the area. Like I said, we
[5:13:15] got two retention ponds and one
[5:13:17] detention pond. The retention ponds will
[5:13:18] hold the water and then again, that's
[5:13:21] all kind of regulated by the county and
[5:13:22] so they they have to approve the water
[5:13:24] management plan uh before we they would
[5:13:28] issue us any type of permit.
[5:13:32] » U Mr. Becker, any questions?
[5:13:34] >> No.
[5:13:35] Okay. Mr. Logan, any questions?
[5:13:37] >> No. Um, what what was I didn't ask this
[5:13:39] question. Uh, what ballpark what what
[5:13:42] are you going to be selling these homes
[5:13:43] for? Ballpark each.
[5:13:44] >> I'm not going to be selling the homes,
[5:13:46] but I is there anything? So, the product
[5:13:48] the most comparable product in the new
[5:13:51] the most comparable recent project in
[5:13:54] Union Township would be Bucks and Oaks
[5:13:55] behind Arch Rental.
[5:13:57] >> Okay.
[5:13:58] >> Um, which 400s 400. Okay.
[5:14:01] >> 350 to 450.
[5:14:03] >> Okay. Okay. So, 400K. Okay. Uh why since
[5:14:07] you could fit I assume it's probably was
[5:14:10] it for the green space but I assume you
[5:14:12] could fit what you want in R2. Wh why
[5:14:16] because you don't need to come to us for
[5:14:16] an R2. Why why come to us for an R4?
[5:14:19] >> Because R4 allows for us to have a
[5:14:21] variable design HOA a planned
[5:14:24] development uh the green space uh where
[5:14:29] uh we just look at uh just look at
[5:14:32] Shephard Woods. There's no required
[5:14:34] green space around that perimeter of
[5:14:37] that property or anything like that.
[5:14:38] >> Yeah.
[5:14:39] >> And so we we
[5:14:42] Fisher wants that. They want the HOA.
[5:14:43] They want that controlled area for the
[5:14:45] product they're selling.
[5:14:46] >> Makes sense. Okay. Um any other
[5:14:48] questions at all gentlemen.
[5:14:50] >> Okay. See, hey, Mr. G. Appreciate you
[5:14:51] very much. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
[5:14:53] Okay. And then uh All right.
[5:14:57] >> Okay.
[5:15:00] >> Come on to the mic, please. this
[5:15:03] >> when he's talking about or they're
[5:15:05] talking about fence versus the
[5:15:08] >> you you can't have both.
[5:15:09] >> You can't have both.
[5:15:10] >> But he was having since they're going to
[5:15:13] cut all the trees down in that area
[5:15:14] right in that side where
[5:15:18] >> No, it's going to be a 30 foot mozzone.
[5:15:20] No. Gosh.
[5:15:21] >> In the back.
[5:15:22] >> Correct. Yeah.
[5:15:23] >> But what I'm asking is so they had the
[5:15:26] BM thing or what it's called and they
[5:15:28] had the pine trees. They're going to put
[5:15:30] pine trees there. So if they're defense,
[5:15:31] there's no trees. Is that right?
[5:15:34] >> You still have trees. Uh because he said
[5:15:35] it was going to be a no mo zone. Just
[5:15:37] the the hill mounds are going to go
[5:15:39] away. That's all.
[5:15:41] >> So the pine trees will stay.
[5:15:42] >> Mr. Gibbs, yes or no? Pine trees stay or
[5:15:44] no?
[5:15:45] >> What the design was put on top?
[5:15:48] >> Okay. Okay. So
[5:15:49] >> that's being removed for
[5:15:52] >> Okay. So So hey, I I I I don't I don't
[5:15:55] want to keep going all night. We were
[5:15:56] pushing almost midnight here, guys. So,
[5:15:59] do do we want Hey, Miss Crocker. Miss Crocker, let me look at
[5:16:03] you real quick. You you and I. Do you
[5:16:04] want hill mounds with pine trees or do
[5:16:06] you want a do you want a fence? What
[5:16:07] would you like, miss?
[5:16:08] >> I would like a fence.
[5:16:09] >> Roger that. But I need both. I need
[5:16:11] since the neighbor's not here, Miss
[5:16:12] Crocker's got got president. So, the
[5:16:14] fence is what's going to go in. Um, and
[5:16:15] if he was here, he could have a say and
[5:16:17] then you two could battle it out, but
[5:16:18] I'm sorry. So, you're you're going to
[5:16:19] make the decision for him. Okay. U Miss
[5:16:21] M. Crocker, I'm looking at you. So, so
[5:16:23] your neighbor to your south, assuming
[5:16:25] we'll find out. We're going to discuss
[5:16:26] it first, but uh the the fence it is and that's that's what we'll do. So, the
[5:16:30] hill mounds are going to go away if
[5:16:31] that's what you choose. Okay. Roger
[5:16:32] that. Okay.
[5:16:33] >> And the pine trees.
[5:16:34] Okay. So, uh all
[5:16:36] right, gentlemen. I'll entertain a
[5:16:37] motion to close uh public hearings. Uh
[5:16:40] zoning case number 426-Z
[5:16:43] and Zulu.
[5:16:44] >> So, moved. Second.
[5:16:45] >> Discussion. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:16:47] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:16:48] >> Yes.
[5:16:49] >> Mr. Logan.
[5:16:50] >> Yes.
[5:16:51] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:16:52] >> Yes. The public hearing is closed at
[5:16:54] 11:16 p.m.
[5:16:55] >> All right. Uh, vice chairman, like
[5:16:58] normal, go to you first, sir.
[5:17:01] >> Spin up that broken record.
[5:17:04] >> I'm uh surprised here. [clears throat]
[5:17:06] I'm going to side with the residents.
[5:17:09] >> No way.
[5:17:10] >> Um,
[5:17:11] >> which resident? I think they're all
[5:17:12] residents of Union Township.
[5:17:16] » That's why he smells like roses
[5:17:18] >> always.
[5:17:20] Go ahead, [snorts] sir. Couple of things
[5:17:22] that that jumped out at me. There's
[5:17:24] legitimate concerns about the the the
[5:17:26] water runoff. Understand detention
[5:17:28] retention basins and such which would
[5:17:30] certainly mitigate it if not entirely
[5:17:32] eliminated.
[5:17:34] There's um you know character of the
[5:17:35] community issue. I think that's most
[5:17:37] compelling. Well, maybe not most
[5:17:40] compelling uh but the issues about how
[5:17:42] narrow Sheepard Road is. And yeah, I've
[5:17:44] been up and down it. I get that. So, you
[5:17:46] have a public safety what I believe is a
[5:17:48] legitimate public safety concern as well
[5:17:51] with the addition additional traffic uh
[5:17:54] going going up and down the road. So, uh
[5:17:57] for those reasons, I will be in no vote.
[5:17:59] >> Okay. Uh Mr. Lug. Sure.
[5:18:02] >> Yeah. Uh look, I feel that I heard I've
[5:18:05] got two three pages of notes here. Um I
[5:18:11] keep keep the decision based off of the
[5:18:14] case that's presented in front of us.
[5:18:15] Obviously, I'd heard some sentiment of
[5:18:20] history and family and purchasers and
[5:18:24] offers made and this is solely based off
[5:18:27] of um the real concerns that I heard
[5:18:29] that were based on the water uh and the
[5:18:32] dynamics there. um and looking at it,
[5:18:35] the water looks that uh working through
[5:18:38] the county uh and the water um
[5:18:41] management
[5:18:42] >> uh but it's also the detention ponds
[5:18:45] that will
[5:18:47] >> basically
[5:18:48] >> grab all the water flow that's coming in
[5:18:50] on the property and control the release
[5:18:52] of it. So I I you know would venture to
[5:18:55] say that that the the overflow and the
[5:18:57] mad rush of the water and storm water
[5:18:59] that that is currently seen uh I believe
[5:19:02] that it will improve and get better uh
[5:19:05] because it's going to have a controlled
[5:19:06] release. Um, and
[5:19:10] I believe between that and the fencing
[5:19:14] were the biggest concerns that that that
[5:19:16] we've heard um of what is aside from an
[5:19:22] R2
[5:19:24] to an R4 and essentially meeting the
[5:19:28] density of that. So
[5:19:32] I I can support the the project as
[5:19:34] brought forward. Okay. Craig, Craig, can
[5:19:36] you go back to that last slide?
[5:19:39] [cough and clears throat] Gosh. Well,
[5:19:41] not not that one. Yeah, there there you
[5:19:43] go. Okay. So, uh concerns I heard
[5:19:46] overall was basically the same
[5:19:47] consensus. Uh too many houses compacted
[5:19:49] into 4.77 acres. Um the green space,
[5:19:53] which I understand that um
[5:19:58] I I don't think 18 homes will kill the
[5:20:02] traffic. I'm not sold on that. I'm sold
[5:20:04] on the other project we voted on 18
[5:20:06] homes. I'm I'm sorry. I'm not sold on
[5:20:08] that part. I think uh it's a good
[5:20:10] argument, but I I don't think it's going
[5:20:12] to affect it that much. The nature
[5:20:13] center, the drainage was the consensus
[5:20:15] was the drainage as well as well as too
[5:20:17] many houses packed onto the one green
[5:20:18] space. Um what I will say is
[5:20:23] uh
[5:20:25] by going to an R4
[5:20:28] that will open up a little bit more
[5:20:30] green space. And I think, you know, when
[5:20:31] the water falls, the water falls in the
[5:20:33] land. Whether there's a roof there, a
[5:20:34] gutter there or not, the water falls in
[5:20:36] the land. I think the two retention
[5:20:37] ponds or I'm sorry, yeah, two retention
[5:20:39] [clears throat] and the one detention
[5:20:40] pond will will will help that. The water
[5:20:42] is the water. Uh whether it hits a roof
[5:20:44] or a gutter or if it hits directly the
[5:20:45] land, it'll it'll help the issues with
[5:20:47] the water drainage. Um
[5:20:52] and uh
[5:20:55] and and
[5:20:57] I mean, we're looking at this. I don't
[5:20:58] think many can argue against the fact
[5:21:00] that it's it's similar very similar to
[5:21:03] Shepherd Woods in in Willowbrook. It's
[5:21:05] very similar. Um
[5:21:08] and I drove by the land uh and it's it's
[5:21:12] the house it needs to come down. So, um
[5:21:16] I agree with it. So,
[5:21:19] um Okay. All right. So gentlemen, I'm
[5:21:22] going to entertain a motion for the
[5:21:23] approval of unit Township zoning case
[5:21:24] 4-26-Z as in Zulu uh with modifications
[5:21:28] as recommended, including the white
[5:21:32] vinyl 6-foot fence to surround the two
[5:21:34] properties as discussed. Um I don't know
[5:21:37] the addresses, but we know what they're
[5:21:39] discuss.
[5:21:40] >> So moved.
[5:21:42] >> Second. Uh any further discussion? Mr.
[5:21:45] Campbell, roll call.
[5:21:46] >> Mr. Becker,
[5:21:47] >> no.
[5:21:48] >> Mr. Log,
[5:21:49] >> yes.
[5:21:50] >> Mr. Mr. Dills.
[5:21:51] >> Yes.
[5:21:51] >> Motion carries.
[5:21:52] >> All right. So, a man motion to recess.
[5:21:55] >> So moved.
[5:21:57] >> I'll second. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:21:59] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:22:00] >> Yes.
[5:22:00] >> Mr. Log.
[5:22:01] >> Yes.
[5:22:02] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:22:02] >> Yes. We're recess at 11:22 p.m.
[5:29:44] ever.
[5:29:47] >> This is a Christmas party, right?
[5:29:54] » All right.
[5:29:56] >> Oh,
[5:29:57] >> that's right. That's where I met you.
[5:30:00] >> I told you then you speak like a
[5:30:02] Republican.
[5:30:04] >> [laughter]
[5:30:05] >> He was here and I was like, "You're on
[5:30:07] the wrong party, guy."
[5:30:09] >> All right.
[5:30:09] >> I thought good value right there.
[5:30:12] >> All right. Uh,
[5:30:13] >> he sounded very conservative. [laughter]
[5:30:16] >> All right, gentlemen. Entertain a motion
[5:30:18] to exit recess.
[5:30:19] >> So move.
[5:30:21] >> I'll second.
[5:30:22] >> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:30:24] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:30:25] >> Yes.
[5:30:25] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:30:26] >> Yes.
[5:30:26] >> Mr. Jills.
[5:30:27] >> Yep.
[5:30:28] >> We're back in session at 11:30
[5:30:31] p.m.
[5:30:32] >> Any old business? Seeing none. I don't
[5:30:34] care if there is. We're gonna move on.
[5:30:35] Just kidding. That was a joke. Uh, all
[5:30:37] right. New business. Our consent agenda.
[5:30:39] Uh, gentlemen, entertain a motion for
[5:30:40] our consent agenda. Approval of the
[5:30:42] minutes 2020, sorry, July 20. Wow. July
[5:30:46] 14, 2026 regular meeting minutes. The
[5:30:48] approval of payments prepared by our
[5:30:49] fiscal officer, Ron Campbell, and
[5:30:51] approval of our monthly financial report
[5:30:52] as prepared by our fiscal officer.
[5:30:54] >> So move.
[5:30:55] >> Second.
[5:30:55] >> Mr. Camp. Roll call.
[5:30:57] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:30:58] >> Yes.
[5:30:58] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:30:59] >> Yes.
[5:30:59] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:31:00] >> Yes.
[5:31:00] >> Motion carries.
[5:31:02] >> All right. Uh, Mr. Ray, I'll throw it
[5:31:04] over to you. Approval of our purchase
[5:31:05] orders exceeding 15,000.
[5:31:06] >> First purchase order is blanket purchase
[5:31:08] order for miscellaneous legal fees to
[5:31:10] breaker for 225,000.
[5:31:12] The next purchase order is to Matthew
[5:31:15] Brun Enterprises. That is Champions.
[5:31:18] >> Is that DBA Champions Landscape Supply?
[5:31:21] Matt, is that correct?
[5:31:24] >> That's Matthew Brun Enterprises is DBA
[5:31:26] Champions Landscape Supply.
[5:31:28] >> Yes.
[5:31:28] >> For salt. So that's for our road salt
[5:31:31] contract. You technically can't award a
[5:31:33] bid until you uh have a PO. So that's
[5:31:37] $285,600.
[5:31:40] Next one is Claremont County Water
[5:31:41] Resources for the parks, $50,000 blanket
[5:31:44] PO. Um next one is um Schneller Heating
[5:31:49] and Air Conditioning. We had three units
[5:31:51] at the police department uh grenade at
[5:31:55] the same time. So that's for $39,871
[5:32:00] to replace those three units. Uh the
[5:32:03] next item of business is uh for Flock
[5:32:06] Group for traffic cameras for the ALPRS
[5:32:08] in the amount of $46,900.
[5:32:11] That is our annual contract fee due in
[5:32:13] October. And the last one is Kevin
[5:32:15] Carpenter. That's Dave Carpenter for
[5:32:17] nuisance abatement at 4692 Blue Jacket
[5:32:20] Road in the amount of $26,575.
[5:32:24] And I recommend you know that that would
[5:32:27] be a significant improvement if you guys
[5:32:28] are interested.
[5:32:29] >> That concludes purchase order.
[5:32:31] >> Gentlemen, any question Mr. Right?
[5:32:33] >> Mr. uh I will entertain a motion for the
[5:32:36] approval of purchasers exceeding 15,000
[5:32:38] as recommended by our administrator.
[5:32:40] >> Uh so move
[5:32:41] >> second.
[5:32:42] >> Mr. Kimber roll call.
[5:32:43] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:32:44] >> Yes.
[5:32:44] >> Mr. Logan.
[5:32:45] >> Yes.
[5:32:45] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:32:46] >> Yes.
[5:32:46] >> Motion cares.
[5:32:47] >> All right. Uh
[5:32:50] see uh gentlemen entertain a motion for
[5:32:52] the SWOP 4G 20226207
[5:32:56] road salt contract continuation.
[5:32:58] >> So move
[5:32:59] >> second.
[5:33:00] >> Any discussion?
[5:33:01] >> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:33:02] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:33:03] >> Yes.
[5:33:03] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:33:04] >> Yes.
[5:33:05] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:33:05] >> Yes.
[5:33:06] >> Motion carries.
[5:33:06] >> I can tell you retired.
[5:33:09] The uh All right. I entertain a motion
[5:33:11] for the approval of 2026 Halloween
[5:33:14] trick-or- treat hours establishing to
[5:33:16] October 31st. 26 between hours of 6:00
[5:33:19] and 8:00 p.m.
[5:33:20] >> So move.
[5:33:21] >> Second.
[5:33:21] >> Uh discussion. Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:33:24] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:33:25] >> Yes. Mr. Lo.
[5:33:26] >> Yes.
[5:33:26] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:33:27] >> Yes.
[5:33:27] >> Motion carries.
[5:33:28] >> Uh item four. Uh Mr. Wright, why don't
[5:33:31] you just briefly describe?
[5:33:31] >> Sure. So uh this is for the Tabasco
[5:33:34] Mount Carbasco and Club Pike uh
[5:33:36] intersection. Uh that uh county has gone
[5:33:39] through some initial review. They've
[5:33:40] selected a preliminary alternative and
[5:33:43] uh we originally pledged $50,000
[5:33:46] uh in concert with the transportation
[5:33:48] improvement district for $50,000 and
[5:33:51] they have secured $385,000 from OKI and
[5:33:54] uh J um I don't I'm not I don't remember
[5:33:57] who JNC is, but it's some state agency.
[5:34:01] Anyway, they've got $385,000 in grants.
[5:34:04] We have a $50,000 pledge. T has $50,000
[5:34:07] pledge. preliminary design and detailed
[5:34:10] design came back a little higher.
[5:34:12] There's a funding gap of around
[5:34:14] $144,000.
[5:34:16] Um, in the spirit of continued
[5:34:18] cooperation,
[5:34:20] uh, they are requesting to see if we
[5:34:22] would be willing to split the funding
[5:34:23] gap. Look, it's probably one of our
[5:34:25] worst intersections in in the township,
[5:34:29] particularly at rush hour, and I think
[5:34:32] this would be consistent with our
[5:34:34] approach to continue to fund this,
[5:34:36] consistent with like what we've done
[5:34:37] with the Bach Bucks and Shield
[5:34:39] roundabouts. We're looking at about 100.
[5:34:41] So, uh I think it's like um this would
[5:34:45] push our total funding commitment to
[5:34:47] about 122,000, just under that. And uh
[5:34:51] the county's funding commitment would be
[5:34:53] the same. And this would get us all the
[5:34:54] way through detailed design. Okay. Any
[5:34:56] questions, Mr. Ray? All right.
[5:34:58] Gentlemen, entertain a motion for the
[5:34:59] mount for the approval of Mount Carmel
[5:35:01] Tabasco Club Pike intersection
[5:35:02] improvements, engineering, and design
[5:35:04] funding.
[5:35:04] >> Submit.
[5:35:05] >> Second.
[5:35:06] >> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:35:08] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:35:08] >> Yes.
[5:35:09] >> Mr. Logan.
[5:35:10] >> Yes.
[5:35:10] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:35:11] >> Yes.
[5:35:11] >> Motion carries.
[5:35:12] >> All right. Easement approval. Uh, real
[5:35:14] quick, Mr. Right. Go ahead.
[5:35:15] >> Uh, yes. And and just as as far as that
[5:35:17] next item, that last item goes, we'll
[5:35:19] put purchase orders in and everything
[5:35:20] else. We haven't signed anything. thing
[5:35:22] I just told the county I would get the
[5:35:23] board to give me an affirmative on that
[5:35:25] easement approval. So along Icults Road,
[5:35:28] we don't have any easements for the turn
[5:35:29] lanes that were installed 22 years ago
[5:35:32] and we also need to have grant an
[5:35:35] easement for the uh uh the box culvert
[5:35:38] repair that's going to take place. So uh
[5:35:41] just need permission uh authorization to
[5:35:43] grant and sign perpetual and temporary
[5:35:46] easements dedicate the rightway along
[5:35:48] Icults and then also for the uh uh box
[5:35:51] culvert repair.
[5:35:52] >> Great. Any questions? Mr. Right. All
[5:35:54] right. Gentlemen entertain a motion for
[5:35:56] the approval of the easement approval
[5:35:57] for Icults road
[5:35:59] and storm easements clar county
[5:36:01] engineer.
[5:36:02] >> So move second.
[5:36:03] >> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[5:36:05] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:36:06] >> Yes.
[5:36:06] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:36:07] >> Yes.
[5:36:07] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:36:08] >> Yes. Motion carries.
[5:36:09] >> All right. Legislative agenda. Uh, I'll
[5:36:11] entertain a motion for the approval of
[5:36:13] resolution 2026-46,
[5:36:15] nuisance vehicle abatement resolution.
[5:36:17] >> So move.
[5:36:18] >> Second.
[5:36:19] >> Any discussion? Mr. Kim, roll call.
[5:36:21] >> Mr. Becker?
[5:36:22] >> Yes. Mr. Luth?
[5:36:23] >> Yes.
[5:36:23] >> Mr. Dills?
[5:36:24] >> Yes.
[5:36:24] >> Motion carries.
[5:36:26] >> Uh, I entertain a motion for the
[5:36:27] approval of resolution 2026-47,
[5:36:31] nuis nuisance abasement baitment
[5:36:32] resolution. two addresses
[5:36:34] [clears throat] 536 Old State Route 74
[5:36:37] and 821 Whiz New Drive U first pin is
[5:36:42] 413 213 A's and alpha 019 second pin is
[5:36:45] 414236
[5:36:47] B is in Bravo 014 move
[5:36:50] >> second
[5:36:50] >> any discussion Mr. Camp roll call
[5:36:52] >> Mr. Becker
[5:36:52] >> yes Mr. Lo
[5:36:54] >> yes
[5:36:54] >> Mr. S.
[5:36:55] >> Yes.
[5:36:55] >> Motion carries.
[5:36:56] >> All right. Next one is resolution onto a
[5:36:58] motion for the approval of resolution
[5:36:59] 2026-48, the Claremont County Hazard
[5:37:02] Mitigation Plan Adoption.
[5:37:03] >> So move.
[5:37:05] >> Second.
[5:37:06] >> Any discussion?
[5:37:07] >> Mr. Kim, roll call.
[5:37:09] >> Mr. Becker?
[5:37:10] >> Yes.
[5:37:10] >> Mr. Log?
[5:37:11] >> Yes.
[5:37:11] >> Mr. Dills?
[5:37:12] >> Yes.
[5:37:12] >> Motion carries.
[5:37:15] >> Application. Uh, do you want to explain
[5:37:16] the next one? Sure.
[5:37:17] >> Township.
[5:37:18] >> Uh, 202649.
[5:37:20] So the Claremont County Engineers Office
[5:37:22] advised us late, I believe in July,
[5:37:24] Matt, was it that they were not going to
[5:37:26] pursue landslide repair joint
[5:37:28] applications. We typically do our
[5:37:30] landslide repair applications through O
[5:37:32] OPWC and piggyback on the county's
[5:37:34] program. They're not doing that this
[5:37:36] year. So we we uh contacted uh Miami
[5:37:40] Township to see because they also
[5:37:42] participate and they are not they were
[5:37:44] in the same boat we are. And with OPWC
[5:37:47] scoring, if we combine our projects, we
[5:37:50] get better if we are funding partners on
[5:37:53] a family of projects, we get better
[5:37:55] scoring.
[5:37:55] >> Yep.
[5:37:56] >> So, we're looking at for Baldwin Road,
[5:37:58] uh, I just got geotech consult again,
[5:38:00] real preliminary, looking at about a
[5:38:03] total cost of around $700,000. We would
[5:38:05] only apply for a 10% match. There is a
[5:38:08] $10 million uh township set aside this
[5:38:11] year that we're going to try to shoot to
[5:38:12] go after. And I think $700,000 would get
[5:38:15] us a significant portion further up the
[5:38:17] hill, which there's already what two
[5:38:19] segments that are in process now at the
[5:38:22] bottom of the hill
[5:38:23] >> next next week.
[5:38:24] >> Next. Yeah. So So that's imminent. So
[5:38:26] this would give us permission to kind of
[5:38:28] execute agreements, bring uh get
[5:38:30] consulting contracts, do other things
[5:38:32] just to get this thing moving forward.
[5:38:34] Okay.
[5:38:35] >> Okay. Uh gentlemen, I entertain a a
[5:38:37] motion for the approval of resolution
[5:38:39] 2026-49, the resolution authorizing
[5:38:41] OPWC, round 41 application union and
[5:38:45] Miami Township slide repairs project. So
[5:38:47] move
[5:38:48] >> second.
[5:38:49] >> Any discussion? Mr. Campbell, roll call.
[5:38:51] >> Mr. Becker,
[5:38:52] >> yes. Mr. Lo,
[5:38:53] >> yes.
[5:38:53] >> Mr. Dills,
[5:38:54] >> yes.
[5:38:54] >> Motion carries.
[5:38:55] >> All right, next one's easy. Looks like
[5:38:57] the disposal of the 2001 Pierce Aerial
[5:38:59] Platform to the UTCIC.
[5:39:02] Uh, gentlemen, I entertain a motion and
[5:39:04] for approval of resolution 2026-50,
[5:39:07] resolution authorizing disposal of
[5:39:09] property to the UTCIC.
[5:39:11] >> Second.
[5:39:12] >> You want any discussion? Mr. Campbell,
[5:39:14] roll call.
[5:39:14] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:39:15] >> Yes.
[5:39:16] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:39:16] >> Yes.
[5:39:17] >> Mr. Dills.
[5:39:18] >> Yes.
[5:39:18] >> Motion carries.
[5:39:19] >> All right. Next one's then for the water
[5:39:21] resources. Uh, gentlemen, obtain a
[5:39:22] motion for the approval of resolution
[5:39:24] 2026-51.
[5:39:26] Then now certificate for the Clement
[5:39:27] County Water Resources.
[5:39:28] >> So moved.
[5:39:30] >> Second.
[5:39:30] >> Any discussion? Mr. Just came. Roll
[5:39:32] call.
[5:39:32] >> Mr. Becker.
[5:39:33] >> Yes.
[5:39:34] >> Mr. Lo.
[5:39:34] >> Yes.
[5:39:34] >> Mr. Jill.
[5:39:35] >> Yes.
[5:39:35] >> Motion carries.
[5:39:36] >> All right. Uh. Oh. Comments from the
[5:39:39] board. Mr. Becker.
[5:39:41] >> Uh, I did have something different in
[5:39:43] mind to talk about for board comments.
[5:39:45] I'm going to it can wait till a future
[5:39:47] meeting, but what I don't want to push
[5:39:49] off to a future meeting is is commenting
[5:39:52] about the flock camera concerns. And we
[5:39:54] did hear that uh tonight where a
[5:39:56] gentleman voiced
[5:39:59] uh his you know very legitimate
[5:40:01] concerns.
[5:40:03] When we first got these, the libertarian
[5:40:06] side of me was queasy.
[5:40:08] Um
[5:40:10] and I was surprised there was actually
[5:40:12] no opposition at the time.
[5:40:16] the um of course as time went on there's
[5:40:20] been no abuse or reason to suspect any
[5:40:22] abuse at least not here locally in Union
[5:40:24] Township and they've been
[5:40:26] extraordinarily effective in fighting
[5:40:28] crime of course you know the other side
[5:40:31] of that nobody wants Union Township or
[5:40:33] the rest of the country to be a
[5:40:34] surveillance state so I do get those
[5:40:35] concerns
[5:40:38] um you know is is I think the the whole
[5:40:41] board here agrees I know I've heard you
[5:40:42] say that and I think as well as Mr.
[5:40:44] still is that this isn't a hill any of
[5:40:46] us are willing to die on. If the
[5:40:47] community wants it out, then then
[5:40:49] they're then then we'll take them out.
[5:40:52] I've only heard from a very few handful
[5:40:55] of people. I'm not even sure the people
[5:40:56] I've heard from even live in township.
[5:40:58] Some clearly do. Some I'm not too too
[5:41:01] sure about. Regardless, it seems to be a
[5:41:02] vocal minority rather than a prevailing
[5:41:05] opinion across, you know, 50,000
[5:41:07] residents or whatever the number is. I
[5:41:10] did um yesterday had a meeting with the
[5:41:13] uh with a representative from Flock. Uh
[5:41:16] this was over at the uh police
[5:41:18] department. Uh we had a good discussion,
[5:41:20] answered uh my my concerns and um um you
[5:41:25] know, I'm I'm I'm comfortable with uh
[5:41:27] continuing to have those in Union
[5:41:29] Township. And that concludes my remarks.
[5:41:31] >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Luke,
[5:41:33] >> do they give you the unlimited password
[5:41:35] and secret code so you can see
[5:41:37] everybody's images? I forgot to ask for
[5:41:39] that.
[5:41:40] >> Okay, Mr. Becker's. So, everyone, uh,
[5:41:42] John Becker and his phone number. No,
[5:41:45] thank you, John, for for those update.
[5:41:47] That's good. Um, no, I'll keep it short
[5:41:50] for tonight. Just happy to to to hear
[5:41:52] from the residents. Hear from the
[5:41:54] residents. Obviously, things are never
[5:41:56] black and white and super uh uh simple.
[5:42:00] Uh, and so it's good to be able to hear
[5:42:02] from the residents through and through
[5:42:03] from flock to water and fencing and
[5:42:06] bushes.
[5:42:08] floor to you, Mr. Dills. Mr. Becker, I
[5:42:11] agree with your sentiments on flot
[5:42:13] cameras, so we're on the same page. Uh,
[5:42:15] upcoming events, the next park
[5:42:17] recreations committee meeting is
[5:42:19] Thursday, August 13th at 5:00 pm right
[5:42:21] here. Next township zoning meeting will
[5:42:23] be Wednesday, August 26th, right here at
[5:42:25] 7 p.m. Uh, next board of uh, zoning
[5:42:29] appeals will be Thursday, September 3rd
[5:42:31] at 7 PM. Our next regular business
[5:42:34] meeting will be the second Tuesday of
[5:42:36] the month, September 8th at 6 PM.
[5:42:38] Township offices will be closed
[5:42:40] September 7th in observance of Labor
[5:42:42] Day. Farmers Market is being held on
[5:42:43] Fridays from 4:00 to 7:00 p.m. right
[5:42:45] here on the Civic Center campus. Pickle
[5:42:47] Ball Slam is Saturday 8 uh August 15th
[5:42:50] at 8 a.m. at Cleper Park.
[5:42:54] And uh the Marty Connor Band uh concert is
[5:43:00] canled in inclement matter. Oh, it's
[5:43:01] rescheduled for August 28th, uh 7:00
[5:43:04] p.m. right here at Civic Center behind
[5:43:06] us. Uh, Mount Mariah Cemetery lantern
[5:43:08] lighting is Saturday, September 19th,
[5:43:10] uh, from 5 to 7:30 pm. and the UT
[5:43:13] fireworks celebration that we always
[5:43:15] have September 26 live music at RJ's uh
[5:43:19] which will all begin at 4 pm
[5:43:22] and concert or the fireworks at 8:45
[5:43:24] p.m. Uh the our fire department has our
[5:43:27] open house kickoff, annual open house
[5:43:29] kickoff, national fire prevention week,
[5:43:30] October 4th uh from 11 to 1 pm and
[5:43:35] located at the water tower. And uh
[5:43:38] police department invites residents to
[5:43:39] local businesses to an open house
[5:43:40] Saturday, October 10th from noon uh from
[5:43:44] noon to 4 p.m. at the police department
[5:43:46] building. and uh UT's uh sip and shop
[5:43:49] will be held Saturday, October 17th from
[5:43:52] noon to 4:00 right here at the Civic
[5:43:55] Center campus. And trick-or-treating
[5:43:58] October 31st from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Next
[5:44:00] CPR training will be held with our fire
[5:44:03] department uh September 12th from 9:00
[5:44:05] a.m. to 1:00 p.m. And uh All right,
[5:44:09] gentlemen. I will entertain a motion for
[5:44:11] the approval to enter executive session.
[5:44:14] Motion during executive session present
[5:44:15] to Ohio revised code 121.22G is engulf
[5:44:19] as follows. To consider the purchase of
[5:44:22] property for public purposes, the sale
[5:44:24] of property at competitive bidding or
[5:44:26] the sale of other uh disposition of
[5:44:28] unneeded, obsolete or unfit for use
[5:44:31] property in accordance with section
[5:44:33] 505.10 of the Ohio of of revised code. A
[5:44:37] premature disclosure of information
[5:44:39] would give unfair, competitive, or
[5:44:40] bargaining advantage to a person whose
[5:44:41] personal private interest is adverse to
[5:44:44] the general public interest. Uh, number
[5:44:46] two is to confer with an attorney for
[5:44:49] the public body concerning disputes
[5:44:50] involving the public body that are the
[5:44:52] subject of pending or imminent court
[5:44:54] action pursuant to pursuant to Ohio
[5:44:57] Revised Code section 121.22G is engulf
[5:45:00] three. Item three is preparing for
[5:45:02] conducting or reviewing negotiations or
[5:45:04] bargaining sessions with public
[5:45:06] employees concerning their compensation
[5:45:08] and other terms and conditions of their
[5:45:10] employment pursuant to Ohio revised code
[5:45:12] section 121.22 Golf 4. Last item is item
[5:45:15] four to consider confidential
[5:45:17] information related to the marketing
[5:45:18] plan, specific business strategy,
[5:45:20] production techniques, trade secrets, or
[5:45:22] personal financial statements of an
[5:45:23] applicant for economic development
[5:45:25] assistance or to negotiations with other
[5:45:28] political subdivisions respecting
[5:45:30] request for economic development
[5:45:31] assistance provided that both of the
[5:45:33] following conditions apply. The
[5:45:35] information is directly related to a
[5:45:36] request for economic development
[5:45:38] assistance that is to be provided or
[5:45:41] administered under any provision of
[5:45:43] chapter 715, 725, 1724 or 1728 or
[5:45:48] sections 701.073735.67
[5:45:54] to3735.70
[5:45:57] 5709.402
[5:46:00] 579.43
[5:46:02] 579.612 61 to 579.69
[5:46:07] 5709.73
[5:46:08] to 579.75
[5:46:10] or 579.77
[5:46:13] to 579.81 of the Ohio Revised Code that
[5:46:15] involves public infrastructure
[5:46:16] improvements or the extension of utility
[5:46:19] services that are directly related to an
[5:46:20] economic development project. and B, a
[5:46:23] unanimous quorum of a public body
[5:46:25] determines by a roll call vote that the
[5:46:27] executive session is necessary to
[5:46:28] protect the interest of the applicant or
[5:46:31] the possible investment or expenditure
[5:46:33] of public funds to be made in connection
[5:46:35] with the economic development project
[5:46:36] pursued to high revised code section
[5:46:38] 121.22 G is engulf 8. My gosh, what what
[5:46:42] >> sound move?
[5:46:45] >> Second,
[5:46:46] >> Mr. Campbell, roll call.
[5:46:49] >> Mr. Becker,
[5:46:49] >> yes.
[5:46:50] >> Mr. Lo,
[5:46:51] >> yes. Mr. Dills.
[5:46:52] >> Yes.
[5:46:53] >> Okay. We're into executive session at
[5:46:56] 11:46
[5:46:57] p.m.
[5:46:58] >> I was reading and I'm like,
[5:47:00] >> you guys
[5:47:03] see you.
[5:47:05] >> Thanks, gentlemen.
[6:08:08] You You can do whatever you'd like.
[6:08:14] » I want to go home.
[6:08:16] >> It is midnight. You know, we're going to
[6:08:18] hear about this tomorrow
[6:08:21] >> today. Back there.
[6:08:23] >> Good to go.
[6:08:25] >> She was just there.
[6:08:26] >> There she is.
[6:08:26] >> She's got thumbs up.
[6:08:27] >> All right. All right. Uh, gentlemen,
[6:08:29] I'll entertain a motion to exit
[6:08:31] executive session with no action taken.
[6:08:33] >> So move.
[6:08:34] >> Second.
[6:08:34] >> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[6:08:36] >> Mr. Becker.
[6:08:37] >> Yes.
[6:08:37] >> Mr. Log.
[6:08:38] >> Yes.
[6:08:39] >> Mr. Dills.
[6:08:40] >> Yes.
[6:08:41] >> We're out of executive session with no
[6:08:43] action taken at 12:08 p.m.
[6:08:45] >> Well, gentlemen, it's my
[6:08:47] >> pleasure. AM. I'm sorry. [laughter]
[6:08:49] >> On uh Wednesday morning, it's my
[6:08:52] pleasure to chair the arguably the
[6:08:54] longest trustee meeting in the history
[6:08:55] of town.
[6:08:56] >> You're proud of yourself.
[6:08:57] >> Yeah, very proud. It's all your fault.
[6:08:58] >> Well, hey, public public session, public
[6:09:01] input. That's
[6:09:01] >> can't wait to hear about this on the
[6:09:02] news tomorrow. We just want news.
[6:09:04] Anyways, uh I entertain a motion to
[6:09:06] adjourn.
[6:09:07] >> So vote.
[6:09:08] >> Second.
[6:09:08] >> Mr. Campbell. Roll call.
[6:09:10] >> Mr. Becker.
[6:09:11] >> Yes.
[6:09:11] >> Mr. Log.
[6:09:12] >> Yes.
[6:09:12] >> Mr. Dills.
[6:09:13] >> Yes.
[6:09:13] >> We're adjourned at 12:09 a.m.
[6:09:17] >> Did you hear about the the death march?
[6:09:20] [laughter]
[6:09:22] » It's common.
[6:09:25] Out of all the zooming cases that were
[6:09:27] those