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Uh good evening folks. Uh welcome to the

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town board of the town of Red Hook Town

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Board meeting Tuesday, August 11th,

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2026.

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Would I kindly request that you join me

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in the pledge of allegiance, please?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. Good evening. And uh Suzanne,

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if you would be kind enough to head over

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to the big screen so we can show the

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folks at home what we'll be what what

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we'll be discussing tonight. Uh we're

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going to start off with uh as we always

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do for the first meeting of the month,

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the supervisor's report. That's a

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financial snapshot at any given moment.

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Uh the clerk's report as well. Tonight

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we have a public hearing on a topic that

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has been uh the matter of several uh

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agendas and meetings and that's the uh

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acquisition and disposition of water

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district surplus lots over in the Lynen

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Acres subdivision and the potential to

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acquire them with the town's community

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preservation fund uh programming.

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And uh we will have a public comment. I

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might make a slight suggestion tonight

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that we take public comment after I

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agenda item number one. Um because

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that'll be a segue right into that

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agenda item which is uh the discussion

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of potential resolution to authorize the

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sale of those surplus properties in the

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water district. Um and then we'll take

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public comment and then resolutions

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authorizing uh the sale of surplus items

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in the highway department. We're going

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to uh put one item up for auction and we

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are going to sell uh old van to uh red

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oak billing.

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We then have a resolution authorizing

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the town clerk to advertise a request

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for seal bids for the purchase of ice

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control abrasives asphalt and various

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materials. We do this each year, highway

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materials. Um we're going to discuss the

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bond resolution. You'll notice there are

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lengths in the bond resolution because

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it's not ready yet for prime time. Um

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we're going to continue some discussion

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on that aspen wall bridge. Um some good

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news related to that and decide whether

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or not we want to consider some

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alternative materials. If not, then we

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can go ahead and uh fill in and prepare

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resolution for a subsequent meeting. Um

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we have uh the annual uh auditor uh

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results and so we have our draft

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resolution to accept those audits.

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Uh number six uh we had um we had to do

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an emergency uh replacement of the roof

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in the annex here in the building and we

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had to take off the solar panels. we're

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about to put them back on and the solar

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developer uh basically said, you know,

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they're quite old, 13 years. You might

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want to consider putting half as many um

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on there and they produce the same

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amount of uh energy and you would have

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newer panels and safer um installation.

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So, we're going to take a look at that.

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Um we if you uh recall a couple years

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ago we got a grant for a drinking water

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source protection plan too. Um and so we

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developed that plan and that plan was

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finalized by the state bill help me

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remember maybe a year ago

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>> a little less than a year ago. Um we're

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now at the uh point at which uh we're

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going to take some next steps which is

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the implementation of the plan. So often

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times you hear us talk about plans and

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we're taking action related to a plan

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that was adopted either recently or

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several years ago. Um this is that

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process now where we're taking the

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second step which is implementation.

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Um we're going to continue discussion.

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We had a request for a cannabis expo um

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over at Greg Farm and so we got some

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additional information uh right away. by

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the way, um we've requested from upstate

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fines. And then uh Diana's going to talk

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to us for a moment uh near the end of

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the meeting about uh voluntary shelter

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contributions

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on dog license applications. This is a

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fairly new thing through Agon Markets as

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of last year, I believe, if I'm not

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mistaken.

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And so that's what we have uh for

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tonight's uh meeting. We've got some

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correspondence. And uh with that being

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said, apologies for being about 3 or 4

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minutes late on the public hearing. And

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Diana, would you be kind enough to uh

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read the notice for tonight's

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uh public hearing and we'll start with

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that. We'll come back for the

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supervisor's report, clerk's report.

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Notice of public hearing regarding

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disposition of town of Red Hook Water

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District number one surplus lots and

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acquisition under the town's community

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preservation fund program. Please take

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notice that a concurrent public hearings

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will be held by the town board of the

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town of Red Hook on August 11th, 2026 at

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7:35 p.m. local time at the town hall

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7340 South Broadway, Red Hook, New York,

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pursuant to town law section 1981 to

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hear all interested persons regarding

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the disposition of vacant properties

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described below by the Town of Red Hook

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Water District. Number one, the parcels

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described below are owned by the town on

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behalf of the town of Red Hook water

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district number one water district and

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are proposed to be declared as surplus

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property unnecessary for the water

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district purposes. The proposed ter

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terms of sale are to be based on the

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estimated fair value of the water

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district parcels as determined by the

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town board on the basis of an appraisal

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with receipts to be credited to the

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water district. Please take further

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notice that a concurrent public hearing

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will be held at such time, date, and

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place pursuant to town's community

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preservation fund program to hear all

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interested persons regarding the

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acquisition of an interest or right in

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real property to preserve open space

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pursuant to section 247 of the general

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municipal law regarding the properties

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described below. The town proposes to

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purchase the parcels for purposes of

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preservation of open space including

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protection of wetlands. The parcels are

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collectively up collectively

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approximately 8.55 acres and are

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identified on applicable applicable tax

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maps as Aspen Mall circle

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approximate acreage per tax map 3.2 2

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assessed value 6 $60,100

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63 acres $34,800

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acres $39,500.

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All interested all interested persons

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will be given an opportunity to be heard

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in person or by directing comments in

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writing to the town board, 7340 South

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Broadway, Red Hook, New York. All

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reasonable accommodations will be made

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for persons with disabilities. In such a

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case, please notify the town clerk in

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advance so that arrangements can be

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made. Please take further notice that

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copies of materials connected with this

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proposal are available for review at the

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town at the office of the town clerk at

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the Red Hook Town Hall, 74340 South

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Broadway, Red Hook, New York. By order

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of the town board of the town of Red

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Hook, dated June 24th, 2026. Diana

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Cochran, Town Clerk,

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Town of Red Hook.

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>> Thank you, Deanna. Appreciate that. Um

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many of you I think have been uh here at

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previous meetings so you know uh the

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area that we're discussing but in case

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you haven't been um we're talking about

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um the area off of Aspen Law and Albi

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Road um to help orient you. I will let

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you know that when you come in uh Park

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West over here on Lyndon, you have those

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stun done dust paths. The exit comes out

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around here and then you make your way

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to the blue trail over here if that's

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the way you want to come to uh the

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Winnick trails. Um these parcels that

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we're discussing tonight are 1 2 3 4 5.

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Um what's new since um we last met on

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this topic is we thought on this parcel

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here um that there was a right of first

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refusal that existed to the adjoining

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parcel owner. It turns out when we got

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title work back that actually that right

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did not extend to them. It was a right

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that did not run with the land. It was

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to the owners at the time and they are

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no longer the owner of that property.

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And so um there there won't be a

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conveyance um which seems to be fine

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with this adjoining land owner. They get

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a little strip here that they've been

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maintaining which they still get to

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maintain um because that did that

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easement did run with the land. So

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that's an update uh for folks um and who

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would like to uh speak uh on this topic.

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public hearing. Is there a second?

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>> Second. Thank you, Christina. All in

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favor? William.

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>> Jacob.

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>> Thank you, Christina.

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>> Who would like to speak on this? Would

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anybody like to speak on this matter?

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>> Speak.

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My name is Al Treza, 77 West Curly

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Corners Road, New York.

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Robert, the land is already in the name

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of the town. There is absolutely no

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legal justification

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for you to now offer for sale and buy it

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back. This is simply an opportunity for

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you to misuse community preservation

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funds to benefit the water district. And

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it's totally wrong. The water district

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does not own this property. The legal

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title is the name of the rental. You

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want to preserve it for open space,

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don't do anything with it. You've

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already done it.

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There's no rationale for this at all.

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And I'd like to have your attorney

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present so we can question him or her as

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to what the legal justification is. I'd

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like to have them present here with us

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tonight, not coming in by Zoom.

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So, I'd like to really know uh and like

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the public to know this is mere

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substitute to bail out the water

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district. It's wrong and you should not

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be doing this. And if the rest of you

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agree with him, you're also wrong. I'm

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looking at you, Jacob, and you, William.

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You already own the property. Do you

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really believe that it's legal or proper

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to do this? It's like you selling your

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house to yourself, will you?

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That's ridiculous. And you know that,

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and you shouldn't be doing it. Thank

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you.

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>> Steal.

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>> Thank you, Aral.

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Would anybody else like to speak on the

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topic?

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>> My name is Jeremy Cohen. I live in Lynen

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Acres. I've spoken at prior meetings

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supporting the uh the preservation of

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this space. The land is integral to the

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character of the community. Lynon Acres,

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if these were to be developed, would be

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no different than any other suburban

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strip uh subdivision.

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I understand that the gentleman has

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questions about the legality.

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I've heard at heart meetings the concept

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of a trustee and distinct

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>> on the

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>> distinct ownership. As long as uh the

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town is comfortable and um the lawyers

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are comfortable with that, I'm strongly

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in favor of preserving the space and

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urge you all to do so.

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>> Thank you, J.

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» Anybody else like to speak on this

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matter?

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» No.

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Okay. I know that we've had previous

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meetings and folks uh especially

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immediately surrounding the area have

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had an opportunity to speak up um uh

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many of them in favor of preserving the

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parcels. I did have a chance to meet

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with many of the joining land owners and

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I saw some of you out on the road there.

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Um

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and so it seems like there's quite a bit

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of support um within Lin acres to to go

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ahead and preserve these parcels. Um I

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would like to say that um this is very

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um consistent with some of the more

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recent projects we've done partnering

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with Winnie Land Trust to protect the

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lands adjoining the salail for the

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preservation of uh the wildlife. And I

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just want to read off um chapter

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community preservation

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um acceptable uses includes the

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following. A preservation of open space.

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B establishment of parks. Nature

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preserves for recreational areas. I

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think I read this at a previous meeting.

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Um C is agricultural. Uh D is scenic. E

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is preservation of freshwater and

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saltwater marshes and other wetlands. Um

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F is preservation of aquaer recharge

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areas. Um G is undeveloped beach lands

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or shoreline. Um H is wildlife refu

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refugees uh for the purpose of

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maintaining native animal species

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diversity including the protection of

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habitat essential to the recovery of

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rare threatened or endangered species.

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Um I is preservation of unique or

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threatened ecological areas. Um K is

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preservation of forested lands. L is

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preservation of public access to lands

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for public use including stream rights

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and waterways.

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Um M is historic places and N is

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undertaking any of the purposes of this

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subdivision in furtherance of the

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establishment of a green belt. And those

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are um the uses that are detailed in the

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code of community preservation.

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Um,

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I appreciate the thoughts. The the uh

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question has already been answered by

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our attorney at a previous meeting as it

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relates and in fact is referenced in the

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community preservation fund advisory

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committee uh recommendation report that

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in fact um the uh property is owned on

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behalf of the water district. We gave

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some other examples. Um the town

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acquired the street lights. Um some of

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the street lights belong to the town

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like everywhere in the park. Some of the

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street lights belong to uh the lighting

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district which is a separate entity like

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a sewer district or a water district.

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It's all owned in the name of the town

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on behalf of either the lighting

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district or the water district, sewer

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district, or in this case um on behalf

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of

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um

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>> Robert, not true. You own the property.

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You don't own it on behalf of anyone.

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There is nothing in the deed that says

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you own it on behalf of the water

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district. You own the property now.

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And I don't And you're right. You read

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what the community preservation funds

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can be used for. I'm not disagreeing

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with that. What I'm disagreeing with,

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you already own it. You already own it.

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You don't own it on behalf of the water

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district. The water district is simply a

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district created within the township.

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If they owned the property, it' be a

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different story. But it was never done

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that way.

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>> I was your attorney at the time of the

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transfer.

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>> The town owns the property.

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You cannot spend this money to buy

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property from yourself.

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You cannot use that subtrifuge. It's

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wrong.

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And I want to tell you something else.

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Is this a Is this

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Excuse me. Is this subject to permissive

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referendum with the spending of the town

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money?

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>> More do you have more comments that you

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>> I can't hear that.

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>> Do you have more comments? I want to

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know is it subject to a permissive

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referendum? Robert,

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>> public hearing is to hear what you said.

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Is it subject to a permissive

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referendum? Yes or no?

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>> You're not going to answer the question,

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Robert.

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>> Thank you, Albert.

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>> First call tomorrow is going to be to

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our attorney.

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>> Thank you, Alvin.

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>> Now, answer the question, please. Yes or

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no?

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>> Thank you. We'll make a determination if

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it's subject to permissive referendum.

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>> I can't hear you, Robert. Speak up. You

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will look at the resolution. When we get

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to the resolution, we'll discuss that.

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Do you have more comments for the public

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hearing on it?

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>> Robert, answer the question.

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>> Thank you. Anybody else?

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>> Answer the question, please.

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>> Is there anybody else who'd like to

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speak on the matter?

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>> Robert, I don't spend this money.

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>> This is the public hearing time. Thank

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you.

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>> We close it. I question for fine. Are

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there more comments from the public on

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the matter?

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All right. Um, let's uh shall we include

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in our review? We took a look at the

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secret documents one, two, and three.

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Does anybody have any questions about

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those in re-reviewing them? We have

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added to that we have a community

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preservation funds

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um advice on it. Um there was the

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question of ownership raised by one of

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the one of the members. There was the

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clarification

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um

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for the public's benefit.

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>> Before we have this conversation, should

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we close the public hearing?

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>> No, we don't have to close the public.

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No. If you'd like to make that motion,

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go ahead.

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>> I move to close the public hearing.

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Nobody else is

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>> I think we should leave it open.

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Is there is there

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>> I mean we could close it when we're done

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discussing it, but I mean

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>> is there a second on uh closing the

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public?

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» Okay,

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we'll leave it open. All right,

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for now uh so we we also received um the

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memo from the CPF advisory board. Um

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they spoke about who was in attendance.

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Um, I think they mentioned I was in

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attendance, but I really wasn't. I was

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in my office working. They did come in

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and have a question or two. Um,

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» that's not what I heard.

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You went in and convinced most of the

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people in that board to vote for this.

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>> Sorry. And I was asked a question about

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ownership. Okay. I gave my best answer

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and I went back to my office.

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>> That's not what I heard. Well, I'd be happy to have somebody come

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forward and and say otherwise. Um,

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so, uh, the question of ownership came

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up. Um, the committee confirmed with

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Chris Shaw, Esquire,

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not there when that happened. Town

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attorney that based on town's record,

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the parcels proposed for acquisition

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were formally owned by the Anandale

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Waterworks Corporation. It's a

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transportation corporation. For folks at

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home, if you don't know how it works in

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New York State, when a developer comes

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in, they need to provide their own water

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and sewer for a development, they they

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set up a transportation corporation. I'm

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sure somebody correct me if I get any

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details wrong. They have to own it for

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at least 5 years. Um, and then when they

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abandon it, it becomes an obligation of

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the municipality. So know that um that's

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something that could be coming down the

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pike with any u developments like that.

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It was transferred um uh the the assets

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were conveyed to the town for the

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benefit of it says it but I think they

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meant to say of the town water district

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number one. Michelle also explained that

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because a town water district is not a

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corporate entity, the town holds

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property on its behalf and must account

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for the proceeds of disposition to the

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water district. Just like we must

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account for

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certainly when we're creating the sewer

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district, we must account for all the

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funds related to the sewer and the

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lighting district. We must account for

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all the expenses associated with the

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lighting district and make sure that

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only those users benefit users. They're

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called special benefit assessment

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districts get charged for those uh

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expenses.

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Uh the question came up about the

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expense

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um and uh wanted to know what the

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balance is. The balance right now in the

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community preservation fund is

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approximately $3.7 million. So, this is

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going to be uh I would say 8%.

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>> Uh yeah. Well, we have it the resolution

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you'll see is for 222 for acquisition

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um plus expenses up.

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>> How did we get to those numbers?

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>> Well, you saw you saw the appraisals and

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the appraisals came out to 222.

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And so,

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>> can you show can you bring up the

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appraisals? Um, I don't have it up on

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the screen, but I did print out some

532
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hard copies again cuz

533
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maybe that would come out.

534
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So, we have the appraisals um

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broken up. There were two separate

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appraisals. As you know, we were

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initially looking at

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um appraising the four parcels because

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we didn't think that we were going to

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look at the fifth parcel. We're going to

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sell that to

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the joining land owner because they had

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expressed interest in exercising their

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right which is not um

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something that is

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a case.

547
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>> Well, what jumps out at me is that the

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one if you go to the packet um the the

549
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,799
sheet that shows the wetlands.

550
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:54,960
The

551
00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:04,789
>> wetlands. Sure.

552
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,120
We have this one,

553
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,000
>> right? So that so that the parcel that's

554
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,080
not a wetland parcel,

555
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,279
>> this one here.

556
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:13,840
>> Yeah.

557
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,640
>> Yep.

558
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,559
>> So what what is the appraised value of

559
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:17,679
that parcel?

560
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:22,630
>> $122,000.

561
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,039
And and just I I think just read the

562
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:28,880
other the other four. What's the

563
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,320
appraise value of the other four?

564
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159
>> 100,000.

565
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:32,960
>> Sorry.

566
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:50,149
>> 100,000. The five parcels total 222.

567
00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:52,960
doesn't seem like a lot for five parcels

568
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,440
of land already subdivided. And I think

569
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,200
I explained Board of Health tries to

570
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,440
work with

571
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,559
property owners when they have already

572
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,760
subdivided parcels to,

573
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,440
you know, in many cases you would you

574
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,120
would know this, I'm sure, just going to

575
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,919
be in your profession. In many cases,

576
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:14,799
you have to

577
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,760
do a above ground septic or something if

578
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,120
you have to stay away from environmental

579
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,200
constraints, but they try to work with

580
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,240
property owners who have existing

581
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,760
lots of record. So 222 doesn't seem like

582
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,039
a lot of money to make to protect this

583
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,159
region. And again,

584
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,320
>> did we get one appraisal or two?

585
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760
>> We got two appraisal.

586
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,200
Because we initially thought we were

587
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,960
doing just the four parcels, then we had

588
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,279
to get the fifth one.

589
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:50,960
>> You want to protect it, Robert. Why

590
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200
doesn't the town board give them a licky

591
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,440
land trust and conservation easement for

592
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:03,269
nothing? And it's protected.

593
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,590
» Answer your question,

594
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,240
» folks. I think we've explained this. I I

595
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,480
understand you may not be satisfied with

596
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960
the answer, but it's been explained by

597
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,440
our attorneys and it's been explained at

598
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,400
Nauseium. We have a fiduciary

599
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,000
just like we do to the lighting

600
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,200
district. We have to replace the lights.

601
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,200
We have a fiduciary to the water

602
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,360
district if we own something on their

603
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:34,240
behalf to ensure that we are being fair

604
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,520
to them as well as to the community

605
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,320
preservation. Explain. Albert, I'm going

606
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480
to ask you to please

607
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,559
>> Albert. I'm going to please ask you to

608
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,559
not not interrupt. Okay? We're going to

609
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,799
make it through here. We can just agree

610
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,760
to disagree on this one. Okay? Our

611
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,799
attorneys have already explained it.

612
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,120
>> There are many instances when a town

613
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,919
owns something on behalf of a special

614
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:02,799
benefit assessment district.

615
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,559
You know this. You you were a former

616
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:05,840
town attorney.

617
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,480
>> Okay. Couple questions. So the reason I

618
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,279
was confused is because in the packet it

619
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:14,960
it's

620
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,360
emphasizing the assessed value like the

621
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:17,760
tax.

622
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,679
>> You list the parcel. You list the parcel

623
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,480
number. You you list the assessed value.

624
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,080
>> Interrupting her. Robert, let her

625
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,640
finish.

626
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840
>> I'm answering her question, Albert.

627
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
>> Yes. So you list the assessed value.

628
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,320
Yeah.

629
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,640
>> Correct. So So this was circulated a

630
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,960
while ago in June.

631
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,990
>> Yep.

632
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,279
Where's the second assessment?

633
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,320
Sorry, appraisal.

634
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,159
>> Don't you have it there?

635
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:47,760
>> These are both from

636
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,120
>> Those are two separate

637
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,000
>> from the same from the same company.

638
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,070
>> How does that work?

639
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,760
» What? I don't get it.

640
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,520
We had an appraisal for the four

641
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,120
parcels.

642
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,640
When we realized we didn't have to offer

643
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,279
the right to the adjoining land owner,

644
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,679
we then asked them to also appraise the

645
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,440
fifth parcel.

646
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,279
>> But where's the only one appraisal?

647
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,960
>> We don't get we don't get two sets of

648
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,360
appraisal.

649
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,480
>> Oh, that was what I asked.

650
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,919
>> No, no, we don't.

651
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,240
>> But yeah, we get one appraisal.

652
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,399
>> Yeah, we don't we don't often get two sets of appraisals.

653
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:29,760
I mean from other appraisers.

654
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320
>> No, I mean we we've had other issues. I

655
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,720
thought um

656
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
>> there's been other other issues that

657
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,880
have come up. I thought we got two

658
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,799
appraisals.

659
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,120
>> No, we don't always in in a small a

660
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,240
small thing like this. There's

661
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
>> it's hard to get two appraisers these

662
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,880
days. By the way, we wait months for

663
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,399
that.

664
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,200
I'm

665
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,559
>> We don't always get to praise.

666
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,200
>> Do we sometimes

667
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,279
>> trying to remember? Um

668
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,919
>> No, I don't I don't think so. I think we

669
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:09,120
I don't think so.

670
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,960
>> I don't I don't recall an instance where

671
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440
we've had two different appraisers. I

672
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,039
mean, if you're not satisfied with the

673
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:16,799
work, then sometimes you do get a second

674
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,640
opinion.

675
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,480
says the man marriage of a physician

676
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,919
that you know people do.

677
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:24,480
>> No, I I I appreciate that the that the

678
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
lot that is buildable was appraised for

679
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,760
a higher value than the other than the

680
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
other lots. And I was confused because

681
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,080
as I'm looking through the packet, which

682
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,720
is what the public is seeing, we're

683
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,320
looking at the assessed values and

684
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,520
they're all kind of about the same. So

685
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200
that was that was confusing to me

686
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,799
looking at this. Um

687
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,240
>> Okay.

688
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,710
And

689
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,960
I think that um it's important to say

690
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
that the reason that we're doing this is

691
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,000
because the water district has been

692
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,840
charging

693
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,919
um

694
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:11,679
lower rates for too long. And so this is to essentially bail out the um

695
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,399
the close to 500 families that live in

696
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,880
that in that district. And we've heard

697
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000
from people on multiple meetings and

698
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,240
there's been support for this. So um

699
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
I'm I'm not against it, but I think that

700
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,279
it's like it needs to be clearly stated

701
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,360
like what the goals are and why we're

702
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,000
doing this.

703
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,559
>> Sure. Well, I can't speak for others on

704
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,399
the board, but I I couldn't disagree

705
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:39,039
with you more. There's there's no

706
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:40,960
bailout here. First of all, the dollar

707
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,760
amount is not significant enough to be

708
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,159
all that meaningful to the water rates

709
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,600
that are necessary to uh pay for this

710
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,679
capital upgrade. This is something that

711
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,520
and that was the second question that I

712
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,919
was going to ask actually was going to

713
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,480
do this. Hang on a second. enough money

714
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960
to cover what the water district needs

715
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,919
to to get back on top of its costs.

716
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:10,880
>> Okay. So,

717
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,960
if I could finish, we had the water

718
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,679
board chairman come in here several

719
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:21,120
months ago and explain that he has been

720
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,000
for years saying that these are surplus

721
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
properties. They don't need them. they

722
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,279
would like to dispose of them. For

723
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,039
years, he's been saying that there was

724
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,679
no real reason to do it at any

725
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,480
particular time. It seemed like when

726
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,559
there was an upgrade that this would be

727
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,840
a good time to do it. That it's that

728
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,360
simple. It's not a bailout. We've heard

729
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080
very hyperbolic comments over here.

730
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960
We've heard scaring people into having

731
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,519
two houses or something on properties.

732
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,600
This is a This is a a suburban

733
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,600
subdivision. There's nothing scary about

734
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,039
two more houses where 100 already exist.

735
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,600
And this is not a bailout.

736
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,720
This is this district like the lighting

737
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,080
district owns the lights. Even though we

738
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,840
own it, the town on their behalf, it's a

739
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,600
similar thing. They have made a decision

740
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,760
that this would be the right time to

741
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
dispose of these parcels. if we'll pay

742
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
for 200

743
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
net maybe $210,000

744
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320
of what we now know is a lower than

745
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,919
expected project cost of $1.2 million or

746
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:36,000
less. This is minuscule as it relates to

747
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,799
the costs of operating um water district

748
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,080
number one. So whether it's in or out,

749
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,919
it's not going to make a significant

750
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:49,679
difference. But we have an opportunity

751
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,799
still as it turns out because we've

752
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,600
delayed the borrowing till next week. So

753
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640
we have an opportunity to apply these

754
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,720
funds as we know that they're coming

755
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,640
since they've started the project

756
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,720
already if we so choose to move forward.

757
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200
And I can't for the life of me

758
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,559
understand why you wouldn't move

759
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,919
forward, but um there you have it. There

760
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,960
is no bailout. The water district and

761
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,279
the water district rates will be just

762
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:20,880
fine

763
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,799
um in the ensuing years um with or

764
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,120
without this. Oh, so now I'm even more

765
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,470
confused though because um

766
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,519
can you explain why we would spend 8% of

767
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,720
our CPF funds on this land? Because what

768
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,000
I heard from from every person almost

769
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880
that came up and spoke about this was

770
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,640
that the people that live in this

771
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,399
neighborhood,

772
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:55,279
they don't want this land developed. So, the motivation was to say that we

773
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,519
don't want this land sold. We don't

774
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,679
want, you know, more density in our in our neighborhood. And we heard

775
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:02,960
from

776
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
>> whole bunch of people that lived in this

777
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,079
um the surrounding area and and I mean

778
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:09,760
that's what I that's what I heard. But

779
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,960
it was almost confusion over what what

780
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,679
the issue was, right? So the land

781
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,599
>> never confusion with me. It might have

782
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,599
been confusion with you. It was an

783
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,679
opportunity to create a green space, a

784
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:22,639
pocket green space.

785
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,560
>> Robert, I'm a I'm an intelligent person.

786
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,480
If I'm confused, other people are

787
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,800
confused. So, I think that it's

788
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,919
important to just say what what we're

789
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,639
doing and why.

790
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,359
I I I think you've reiterated, we've all

791
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,040
reiterated, it's an opportunity to

792
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280
create a pocket green space in the

793
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,720
middle of Lynen Acres where, you know,

794
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:47,280
there is biodiversity and there's

795
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,119
wetlands to protect and it's very

796
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,720
consistent with a lot of the work that

797
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,760
we've been doing.

798
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,079
>> So, let me just finish because you

799
00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:00,800
mentioned 8%. And I'm not quite sure why that's significant, but um $222,000

800
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,480
I think in the last 2 months that we've

801
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,240
had collections, we've collected about

802
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,760
$220,000

803
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560
in the CPF funds. So if it's 2 months

804
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,560
worth of collections

805
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,520
uh or thereabouts, seems to me like a a

806
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960
worthwhile cause. um once the CBF funds

807
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,560
are used um then they can't be um the

808
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,160
lands cannot be disposed of and um

809
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,720
developed for residential use and that's

810
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,839
what you know the folks we've heard from

811
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:32,160
uh tonight but also in the previous

812
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,480
meetings where we had more people here.

813
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,680
So,

814
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
>> um, all right. So, so to be clear, so

815
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,880
the land is currently owned by

816
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,680
>> the town.

817
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,920
owns it on behalf of the water

818
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,400
district.

819
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,760
>> On behalf of the water district.

820
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,119
>> Where where does it say it in the deed?

821
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,880
>> It doesn't have to.

822
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,520
>> Do you have children? Do you ever open a

823
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,800
savings account for your kid?

824
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,720
>> No. This is No, this is the This is what

825
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,280
it is. If you open a savings account for

826
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,000
your child, the bank is not going to let

827
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,800
a minor open their own account. So you

828
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,320
act as a trustee, but you have a

829
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,200
fiduciary responsibility to manage that

830
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,160
account on behalf of your child. This is

831
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,119
the same thing.

832
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,000
>> Yeah, but you're saying that it could be

833
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640
built on that could never happen unless

834
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,800
this board agrees on it.

835
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,760
>> Okay.

836
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,920
>> The deed is in the town's name. Well,

837
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,440
just to clarify, you don't

838
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,200
this this board right now could put a

839
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
conser we could talk to Santa C and DLC

840
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,880
and put a conservation easement on that

841
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,119
>> without buying it. I think it's a poor

842
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:40,079
use of funds.

843
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,720
>> No, that's fine. We have a fiduciary.

844
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,800
Look, you may not be used to having a

845
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,680
fiduciary to two separate entities, but

846
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240
we have it in this situation. We have it

847
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,320
with the water district uh that we're

848
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,839
about to create. We've had it with the

849
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:55,599
sewer district that we created 2 years

850
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,280
ago. We've had it with the lighting

851
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,200
district which was created I don't know

852
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,960
how many years ago but many years ago

853
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480
before me. We have a fiduciary to both.

854
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,720
So when we purchased the street lights

855
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,920
and you're going to see in the budget

856
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,880
just how much money we've saved both

857
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,960
town taxpayers and people in the

858
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,359
lighting district because we transferred

859
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:18,240
them all to LEDs and we own them and

860
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,119
don't rent them from Central Hudson. We

861
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,800
own them on behalf of the lighting

862
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,960
district. We must account for those

863
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,280
monies separately. They do not belong to

864
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,160
us. Just because they're in our name

865
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,839
doesn't mean that we don't have a

866
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:35,280
fiduciary to uh the water district.

867
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Okay. I think we've batted this around

868
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,920
long enough, right? We can just agree to

869
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,560
disagree, right? And if you don't want

870
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,960
to expend the funds to permanently

871
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,079
protect, and by the way, you can't just

872
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,200
go to Winni and say, "We want to put on

873
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680
this because it's going to require the

874
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,320
input of the water uh uh district um in

875
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,839
order to do so. And I don't think

876
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:03,920
they're going to be very happy that they

877
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,720
have an asset that has some value that

878
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,079
you want to remove all the value because

879
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,520
you would prefer that."

880
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,839
>> Wait, what? Well, I'm going to I'm just

881
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:16,400
I'm going to address that.

882
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,800
Hank Van Parlles, who's the chair of who

883
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,720
runs the water department and the water

884
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,520
board, have repeatedly come to the town

885
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,400
and said that these parcels since they

886
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,800
discontinued the wells, they viewed them

887
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440
as an asset of the water department to

888
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,359
be considered for disposition at some

889
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:34,960
future date. They've been very clear

890
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760
about that in these meetings uh at their

891
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,200
meetings that I've been present for

892
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,119
because I'm the liazison and they view

893
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,760
it as an asset as an opportunity and now

894
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,760
they felt this was the right time to

895
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
dispose of the asset. Now I this is the

896
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,640
question I had for Al. You had said it's

897
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:56,000
a bailout and so did you down there. If the water department if we as a town

898
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,240
put them up for sale on the open market,

899
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,920
would you still consider that a bailout?

900
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,000
>> Absolutely not. put it on the open

901
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,440
market. You're using community

902
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,440
preservation funds to do my

903
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,599
>> No, no. I'm talking about the issue of a

904
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,520
bailout. The issue of a bailout is

905
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,240
trying to save a financially struggling

906
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:14,960
organization.

907
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,720
>> Here, here's and here's my answer to

908
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,480
you. You put it up for sale

909
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,480
to the open market, which I think you

910
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,760
should if you want to get rid of it.

911
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,839
That's the proper way to do it. The

912
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:27,599
money will go into the town's general

913
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,240
fund, not into the water district fund.

914
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,800
It is not owned by the water district

915
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
and you are not a fiduciary

916
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,720
responsibility. You own it. You are

917
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,880
responsible for it. And in the lighting

918
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,000
district, you set the rates. The problem

919
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,119
here is the water department, our water

920
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,320
district has been not properly managed

921
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,960
on setting the rates and setting forth

922
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,280
what's going to happen in the future.

923
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,400
That's what's got me upset. These people

924
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,520
need to pay for their district. Just

925
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,280
like the lighting district pays for its

926
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,359
district, the sewer district is going to

927
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,240
pay for its district. Everybody pays.

928
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,760
Look what happened in the village of Red

929
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Hook. Started out at 750 a year and now

930
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,760
they've doubled

931
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560
because the sewer needs sewer district

932
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,000
needs the money. And that is the reason

933
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,400
I'm objecting to this. You own the

934
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,480
property. Put it up for sale. put an

935
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,720
internal fund, save the taxpayers some

936
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,960
money, the rest of the taxpayers in the

937
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,200
town, including those in the water

938
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,079
district.

939
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:34,560
>> Thank you.

940
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
>> Now, that is why I'm objecting to this.

941
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,680
>> Fair.

942
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,560
enough.

943
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,280
>> Thank you.

944
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,320
And again, it's our

945
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,320
attorney's view that's not possible to

946
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320
put it in the general fund.

947
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,720
>> Okay.

948
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,839
>> Um,

949
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:49,839
>> wait. So, Bill,

950
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,750
>> um,

951
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,839
» so I I I think it just needs to be clear

952
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:57,359
like what

953
00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:58,720
>> we're doing and I know you've spent a

954
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,720
lot of time with the water uh board and

955
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,680
we just approved recently

956
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,160
um the rehab for the tank and we talked

957
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,400
about that there the rates are too low

958
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,040
like

959
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,000
>> we raised the rates

960
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,119
>> we correct

961
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,359
>> I think this situation is a little

962
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,200
unusual and that it's a confluence of

963
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,280
two different issues. It's a confluence

964
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,599
of the issue of the water department has

965
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,560
an asset that it has viewed as money in

966
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
the bank for some time and

967
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,160
has made the decision that it believes

968
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,680
this is a time to liquidate. But it's

969
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,599
also a confluence because this is an

970
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,400
environmentally sensitive area. It's

971
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,400
primarily wetlands. Um, and it and I'll

972
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,079
talk later about water source protection

973
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,480
and about that report because the state

974
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
department of health and DEC are very

975
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,960
concerned about protecting our water and

976
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
to the extent that you you are able to

977
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,599
accomplish two things at once. That's

978
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,319
why I think it's unusual. I I have to

979
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,160
take the advice of our lawyers on

980
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,680
whether it's legal or not because I'm

981
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,359
not a lawyer. Um, and I, you know, I

982
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,800
have done some research on the issue of

983
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,240
being a fiduciary and and and trustees.

984
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,160
Uh, there's a disagreement just because

985
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,480
it says it in the D that it's the town.

986
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,800
Um, my understanding is it was always

987
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,760
set up that we're we act as their

988
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,800
fiduciary. Um, and since I have a

989
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,280
fiduciary responsibility to the water

990
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,000
department and it's their asset, um, I I

991
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,920
know I know Al disagrees, uh, but I I

992
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640
see this as a twofer actually. Um,

993
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,400
>> I I could agree with you on the four

994
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,880
properties that are potentially wetlands

995
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960
because I could, one could make the

996
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,440
argument that they're not really going

997
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,119
to sell on the open market because

998
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,720
they're not buildable.

999
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:59,920
And I hearing the people that spoke at prior meetings saying we don't want

1000
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,960
density in this area. We don't we we we

1001
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,480
value this open space. Like that makes

1002
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,319
sense to me. But the lot that is valued

1003
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,400
at what was it Robert? 100

1004
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,640
>> 120 Like

1005
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,720
why not sell that on the on the open

1006
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,119
market? Why not let a family buy that

1007
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,000
and and build a home there? Like I don't

1008
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920
believe that it's going to devalue the

1009
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,520
neighborhood if you put one more house

1010
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,880
on the on the one buildable lot that is

1011
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,920
left. So that that doesn't make sense to

1012
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,359
me.

1013
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:42,710
>> Um I'm trying to think where that that

1014
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,510
» Ariel is.

1015
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Oh, where is it written that we have a

1016
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:52,400
fiduciary?

1017
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,839
>> Is it written somewhere?

1018
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:56,079
>> Yeah, you can. Yes, you can look up.

1019
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,599
>> It's not on the D.

1020
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,200
>> Is it stated somewhere?

1021
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,200
>> You can look up special benefit

1022
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,400
assessment districts.

1023
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,000
>> Can you talk into the mic, Robert?

1024
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
>> Sorry. You can look up special benefit

1025
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,240
assessment districts and there's whole

1026
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,359
laws regarding that and our role with

1027
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:16,640
them. Well, why wasn't that presented to

1028
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,319
this board and to the people if

1029
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:21,920
>> Can you please explain this? The

1030
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,240
attorney was here to explain it, but

1031
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,640
let's see it in writing. Let's see the

1032
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,760
document that shows that.

1033
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,359
>> No, I agree. It's very confusing. Like I was so confused today looking at

1034
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:34,960
the packet because I'm looking at it

1035
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,760
going all the parcels are valued the

1036
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,200
same and we didn't include the

1037
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,839
appraisal. like I I just want to we I

1038
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,839
think it's very important that we tell

1039
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:46,319
the whole story completely and I and

1040
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:47,680
Bill I appreciate what you're saying

1041
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,800
that that um

1042
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,920
it's an asset to the water district that

1043
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560
I mean that makes sense

1044
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,079
and and if that's true then

1045
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,560
um buying land that's unbuildable

1046
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,079
>> could be a a benefit to that to that uh

1047
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,599
to that district. But the buildable lot,

1048
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,599
I mean, that would sell for for more

1049
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,359
than

1050
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,079
120 potentially. So So why are we buying

1051
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:18,560
that?

1052
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,240
>> Hang on. Hang on.

1053
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,160
You you're you're making these

1054
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
declaratory statements that are not

1055
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,160
helpful, Christina. That's not

1056
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,040
buildable. There are four lots there. We

1057
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,079
had our engineer again to help

1058
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,599
satisfy

1059
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,760
questions or concerns you had. We had

1060
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,319
our engineer look at these lots and what

1061
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,000
did she say

1062
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,480
>> that she she felt very comfortable

1063
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,359
saying

1064
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,680
>> two houses could could be constructed,

1065
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,280
right? She does. Okay. and she has

1066
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,440
experience in that. And we know that

1067
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Department of Health likes to work with,

1068
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,599
you know, none of us have the crystal

1069
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,960
ball likes to work with each independent

1070
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,240
lot of records so that they can help the

1071
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,920
land owners understand how they can

1072
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,760
build a house. And sometimes it's one of

1073
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,160
those above ground septics that you

1074
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560
raised bed septics that are expensive.

1075
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,800
Um, so that does devalue the parcel, but

1076
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,319
it doesn't necessarily mean that you

1077
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:18,240
can't build on those parcels. These are

1078
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,800
federal wetlands and I think we all know

1079
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,839
that they lack the protections that they

1080
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:27,359
did once upon a time. So again, we go

1081
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:31,119
back to where we are. Um I'd like to be

1082
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,960
able to get through the seeker. I think

1083
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,680
we've all sort of

1084
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,160
>> No, but I'm missing I I need to I need

1085
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,440
help like connecting logic because if if

1086
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,720
this is an asset to the water board

1087
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,240
>> bill like water district

1088
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,920
>> water district. Okay. If this is an

1089
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,760
asset to the water district, then we

1090
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,400
want to get the most out of that asset

1091
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,839
that we can given the feedback from the

1092
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:56,560
public, which is don't build on this

1093
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,319
land. Don't create more density. We

1094
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:00,079
value the open space.

1095
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,319
>> Well,

1096
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,480
that one lot

1097
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:04,960
>> I

1098
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,599
>> for for you have an opinion that it

1099
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,560
might be worth more than 122,000. I

1100
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,480
don't know necessarily that I would

1101
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,319
agree with you, but I'm not an expert

1102
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:17,760
either. Um, it has an easement on it,

1103
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,760
right? So, the the adjoining land owner

1104
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,640
can continue to use a portion of that.

1105
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,800
>> Yes, that that's been explained. We went

1106
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,240
over all of that

1107
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,599
>> previously.

1108
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:28,000
>> Um,

1109
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
>> and Christina, if it didn't have that

1110
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,760
easement, I'd be in agreement with you,

1111
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,760
>> but I think that's a complication that

1112
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,240
is

1113
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,119
>> guys, that's why we have a a

1114
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:38,960
>> would go to the town,

1115
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,040
>> right? If if the town bought it, then

1116
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,599
the easement would belong to the town.

1117
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:44,880
>> No.

1118
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,240
>> Carrie, please. No.

1119
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,040
>> What? What do you mean, please? You're treating me like you're treating

1120
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Christine like it's not important what

1121
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,400
we're asking.

1122
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,160
>> It's an easement. It's an easement to

1123
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,240
maintain a portion of that parcel that

1124
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,480
does not go to the town. I explained

1125
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,400
earlier and I realized that you came in.

1126
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,040
Can you show I'm sorry. I explained

1127
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,720
earlier and I realized you came in late.

1128
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,760
I explained earlier that the easement

1129
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,240
the ements here the whole time and she

1130
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,480
doesn't understand that either. So,

1131
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,079
>> I don't think I missed anything.

1132
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,480
>> I'll see if I can get an aerial up and I

1133
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,160
can explain to you that there is an

1134
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,960
easement as I have in previous meetings

1135
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,400
where the adjoining land owner can

1136
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,920
maintain a portion of that property. I

1137
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,839
don't know that I would put Ariel here,

1138
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:37,280
but I can give you my best uh iterations

1139
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,200
over here. There's a triangle that

1140
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,400
exists. If you look at my cursor,

1141
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,920
>> Robert, I'm going to need to see like

1142
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,880
the language of the easement or or the

1143
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,040
>> title. The title report was shared. The

1144
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,720
title report was shared and it is the is

1145
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,160
not a means being title report was

1146
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,480
shared and it's maintained. I can show

1147
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,599
you on parcel access. This adjoining

1148
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,000
land owner is maintaining a triangle

1149
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
here that runs with the land. The right

1150
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,319
of first refusal, as I explained

1151
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:11,359
earlier, the title company reported does

1152
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:12,400
not exist.

1153
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880
>> So, hold on. Let's let's just zoom out

1154
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,400
for a second. So, what are we trying to

1155
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,839
accomplish tonight?

1156
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:19,359
>> Tonight, we're going to entertain a

1157
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:20,960
resolution

1158
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,079
to uh dispose of and to acquire these

1159
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,240
parcels. We're now on month, I don't

1160
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,520
know what, um with this. And if we'd

1161
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,160
like to apply it towards the principal,

1162
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,839
we can figure out now that we've

1163
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:35,520
delayed. We're we're we're essentially

1164
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,760
we're having a closing on these on these

1165
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,359
parcels.

1166
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:41,359
>> Not tonight. We are entertaining the

1167
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:43,040
approval, but we need to get through a

1168
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:43,760
couple of steps.

1169
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,640
>> No, I I like I need to understand. So,

1170
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,480
um

1171
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,680
what are the next steps after this?

1172
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,920
It's going to come back before us or are

1173
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,599
we making a decision tonight whether

1174
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:56,640
we're going to buy?

1175
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,760
>> We need to get We need to just finish.

1176
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,240
Any questions on the seeker? Any

1177
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,319
questions about the workforce?

1178
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:05,280
>> These are things.

1179
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,040
>> Christina, did you read the resolution?

1180
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,200
>> I did. But you know what? I think that a

1181
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,119
lot of people are confused. And so what

1182
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,040
would be helpful is for us to summarize

1183
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,720
like just in plain language what we're

1184
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:17,280
doing.

1185
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,200
>> The parcels are surplus.

1186
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,400
>> We're looking to acquire them under the

1187
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
CPF to preserve them as open space.

1188
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,920
>> Yep. I think that's it. Is there is there more? Is there more?

1189
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,880
Well, yeah, because like if this is so

1190
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,440
my question was I mean this is a

1191
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,839
reasonable question like if we're buying

1192
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,599
these parcels, this is our real estate

1193
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,160
closing on these our our decision

1194
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,839
tonight is the last part of acquiring

1195
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:49,200
these parcels and we don't even have the language of the easement like

1196
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,839
>> you've been shared the title report.

1197
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:52,559
>> Yeah,

1198
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,680
>> that has all of them.

1199
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,280
>> Where is it? You've been hold

1200
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,200
>> you've been shared you've been shared

1201
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,079
the title workbook which which describes

1202
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,800
that if you look in the appraisal uh you

1203
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,520
can also see the mode area that has an

1204
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,079
area it's a it's about the line that I

1205
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,119
described

1206
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,480
>> well maybe it'll be helpful to

1207
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,599
understand what the basis of the

1208
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,000
easement is

1209
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,520
>> Kenny Kenny knows this cuz he used to

1210
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,200
drive

1211
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,920
it to the property

1212
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,680
>> you don't buy a property without looking

1213
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,000
at the language anguage of the land. I'm

1214
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,599
going to give you the plain language of

1215
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,680
the easement. Is that adjoining

1216
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,880
>> Can you speak up?

1217
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,280
>> The adjoining landowner has the right to

1218
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
continue to maintain this triangle here.

1219
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,680
You can even put up fencing.

1220
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,720
>> We can't you moving your mouse on the on

1221
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,480
the page is not like we're going to

1222
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,040
close on this land like like

1223
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,760
>> Okay.

1224
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,440
>> Germany, is this more you would like to contribute, please?

1225
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,359
>> Yeah. Yes, I do. I would like to um

1226
00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:58,800
because I understand Christina's

1227
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,800
question and I think um

1228
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,240
>> could you talk into the mic?

1229
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:02,720
>> Sure.

1230
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:03,280
>> Thanks.

1231
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,119
>> I understand Christina's question. I

1232
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:06,480
also understand that there's a fair bit

1233
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,240
of ranker both within the town as well

1234
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,000
as within the board about other issues

1235
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,839
that have made it perhaps more difficult

1236
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:14,319
for everybody to communicate clearly and

1237
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:15,920
to believe that everybody is coming from

1238
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,319
the best of intentions. I think that

1239
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:21,680
everybody in this room loves this town.

1240
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,520
everybody including Robert, including

1241
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,599
William, including Ken, including Jacob,

1242
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,760
including Christina. Christina, I

1243
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,680
understand your question to be if

1244
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,800
there's a potential buildable lot, why

1245
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,960
sell to the community preservation fund

1246
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,079
if the if the land is owned in trust for

1247
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,720
the water district?

1248
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,280
What I would like to say is that I

1249
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,359
assume the appraisal has taken into

1250
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,599
account the conser excuse me the

1251
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,520
easement as well as all other relevant

1252
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,839
considerations within uh the context of

1253
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:53,599
the land and determining the appraised

1254
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,920
value of that land.

1255
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,800
As such, if you're looking to maximize

1256
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,720
the proceeds from the perspective of the

1257
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,319
water district as you're acting as

1258
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,880
trustee for it, I think it's perfectly

1259
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,559
appropriate then to rely on that

1260
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:09,040
appraisal. And the concern, the question

1261
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,040
that you were raising, I think is

1262
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,079
answered by that. And I understand the

1263
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,359
reason why you might have been

1264
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,119
frustrated by the response of some of

1265
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,200
the members of the board there, but I

1266
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,800
think that everybody is working towards

1267
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,040
the same thing there. And I think that's

1268
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,400
the how you square those two circles in

1269
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,160
conjunction with what Bill was saying in

1270
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,240
terms of being able to effectively kill

1271
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,720
two birds with one stone, which is

1272
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,480
maximizing proceeds for the water

1273
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,599
district as well as maintaining um and

1274
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,760
preserving land for the uh in

1275
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,280
furtherance of the purpose of the fund.

1276
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,960
>> Thank you, Jeremy. Okay. Uh folks, I

1277
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,800
want to get to the secret part of it.

1278
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,440
We've had um the only new additions has

1279
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,559
really been um the update as it relates

1280
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,119
to the ROFR

1281
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:01,280
um and um the CPF advisory. Uh we

1282
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,559
reviewed in previous meetings part one

1283
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,440
um we did a review of part two as well.

1284
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,920
Were there any questions um that you

1285
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,680
had? I didn't hear any. Um obviously the

1286
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,880
impacts are no or small. is not a

1287
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,280
development proposal.

1288
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,599
This a simple form.

1289
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,520
>> I was going to ask on the part three.

1290
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,040
I'm not looking for that yet. It's

1291
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,280
marked as the potential largest

1292
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,680
significant adverse impact.

1293
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,319
>> Yeah, that was the wrong boxes checked.

1294
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:33,920
I think we corrected that on our

1295
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,359
previous thing, but we should make sure

1296
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:47,990
that this one is corrected.

1297
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,079
Yeah, it's the wrong box, I think. Yeah,

1298
00:54:50,079 --> 00:55:08,630
>> I get the person next door.

1299
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,800
» Yeah. So, we corrected on the last one.

1300
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Let's make sure this looks like

1301
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,319
didn't have that 76.

1302
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:20,870
It's not correction number.

1303
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,119
» The other thing that's not correct is

1304
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:27,349
this application.

1305
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,240
It says all the parcels are federal,

1306
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,880
>> right? And that was the other uh and it

1307
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,920
was that since we increased the the

1308
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,280
application to be a fifth parcel.

1309
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,800
Um

1310
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880
it says federal wetlands run through

1311
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,280
each parcel. We should clarify that to

1312
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,480
say um run through

1313
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,559
uh the four parcels.

1314
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,559
Maybe you could bring your mic closer to

1315
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:55,440
your mouth

1316
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,960
>> because I know you're just talking to

1317
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,280
each other, but we'd like to hear. I'm

1318
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,200
sorry. It's really hard to hear you out.

1319
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,359
>> Sorry.

1320
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:06,000
>> Just make sure the application

1321
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,240
uh clearly states that now that there's

1322
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,440
a fifth parcel, the federal wetlands run

1323
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,720
through four of the parcels as mapped.

1324
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,079
It says C maps provided. Um, description

1325
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,720
of property, former well site. The town

1326
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,880
wishes to purchase the parcels for water

1327
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,440
resource protection. No current or

1328
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,480
future plans.

1329
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,119
Uh, it would be entrusted if this were

1330
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,240
to be voted upon tonight and then closed

1331
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,440
on by CPF funds and could not be sold

1332
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,160
for development in the future. And there

1333
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,240
will be a pocket green space in the

1334
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,599
middle of London acres.

1335
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,640
Um so for part three of the description

1336
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,160
wait let's just see if we get through

1337
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,000
part three please Christine if you have

1338
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,240
questions related to that

1339
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,200
>> um for each of the 11 impact assessment

1340
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,280
>> maybe if you put the microphone closer

1341
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,880
to your mouth

1342
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,480
>> you having a hard time hearing me

1343
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,280
>> I am

1344
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:10,630
>> okay

1345
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,960
» for each of the 11 and I'll get to that

1346
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:27,670
so you can read it while I

1347
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,599
There we go. In case you can't hear me,

1348
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,280
this is what I'm reading from. For each

1349
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,599
of the 11 impact assessment questions in

1350
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,839
part two, all answers were no impacts.

1351
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:37,520
The action is the addition of five

1352
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,079
undeveloped parcels of land forming a

1353
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,839
collection of parcels that as a group

1354
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:44,400
are contiguous with Red Hooks Recreation

1355
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Park West and the Winnie Land Trust Inc.

1356
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,480
So Sale Trails Preserve. No development

1357
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,400
is proposed on the parcel. Since the

1358
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
parcels but lands used for passive

1359
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,799
recreation activities like trail walking

1360
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:59,920
and bicycling, connections with existing

1361
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,319
trails may occur in the future. The

1362
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:04,400
parcels contain extensive wetland and

1363
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,240
flood plane areas. According to

1364
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,400
Hudsonia, which surveyed the adjoining

1365
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,799
Winnick lands, the area's wetlands

1366
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:13,119
generally are important for amphibian

1367
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,119
breeding and support several bird and

1368
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,400
reptile species of greatest conservation

1369
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,720
need. No trail development activities

1370
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,720
will occur without further environmental

1371
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,640
assessment and if needed, obtaining

1372
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,480
permits from appropriate state and

1373
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760
federal agencies. According to uh state

1374
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,079
parks and wreck and historic

1375
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,160
preservation Chris database, no

1376
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,480
prehistoric or historic cultural

1377
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,200
resources are associated with the five

1378
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,440
parcels nor with any of the lands that

1379
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,319
adjoin the parcels. Web mapping

1380
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:45,920
databases of the New York State

1381
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,079
Department of Environmental Conservation

1382
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,720
were query to determine if any state

1383
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,799
records exist related to the five

1384
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:55,119
parcels, including the Hudson Valley

1385
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,079
Natural Resource Mapper and the DEC info

1386
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,960
Locator. None were identified. The

1387
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,880
parcels have significance to water

1388
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,280
quality because two tributaries of the

1389
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,520
sockill flow through four of the five

1390
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,200
parcels.

1391
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,960
The salt kill is a source of drinking

1392
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,599
water to approximately 2,800 persons

1393
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,319
downstream. Prime farmland soils exist

1394
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:19,040
in some areas. Riparian buffers follow

1395
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,400
the outlines of the two tributaries and

1396
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,799
contiguous habitats exist linking the

1397
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:27,280
parcels with the town parkland and the

1398
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,559
Winnick land trust preserve parcels.

1399
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,119
Finally, no adverse impacts on the water

1400
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,799
district are expected because the

1401
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,799
parcels are no longer used for the

1402
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,960
district's wells and may not be a

1403
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,880
suitable location for new wells under

1404
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,870
current regulations.

1405
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,839
And um the box is checked for if you

1406
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,920
have determined based on the information

1407
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240
and analysis above and any supporting

1408
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,319
documentation that the proposed action

1409
00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:58,960
will not result in any significant

1410
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,680
adverse environmental impacts. The

1411
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,359
mapper is included as part three

1412
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:07,920
for the ND deck. Any questions about the

1413
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,160
narrative there? I think that clarifies

1414
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,000
some of the questions about four out of

1415
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,440
five parcels.

1416
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:13,920
>> Yep.

1417
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,680
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm just saying that the

1418
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,280
application that we submitted.

1419
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,960
>> Can you talk into your mic? I It's just

1420
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,720
I'm having the hardest time hearing the

1421
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:21,200
people.

1422
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,319
>> Okay.

1423
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:23,839
>> No, I'm talking about Bill. I don't know

1424
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:24,720
what you just said.

1425
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,480
>> I don't know if the volume is low. Bill,

1426
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,640
if you want to grab that.

1427
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,480
>> If you just move them closer to

1428
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,160
yourselves.

1429
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,839
>> Okay.

1430
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:37,359
Uh what I said is in the application for

1431
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:39,520
the CPF

1432
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640
it states incorrectly that wetlands run

1433
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,559
through all five parcels and I said we

1434
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,880
have to correct that.

1435
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,599
Okay. So we'll clarify federal redlands

1436
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,079
as it's described in the seeker run

1437
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,440
through the four parcels as mapped

1438
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,390
now that we are looking at five parcels.

1439
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:06,710
Okay, that that changes made as well.

1440
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,440
Uh we have reviewed the CPF advisory

1441
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,400
committee's recommendation.

1442
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,230
Um

1443
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,119
the majority spoke in favor of the

1444
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,710
purchase.

1445
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,680
I think I've read um the long list of

1446
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,160
acceptable uses of the funds. many of

1447
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,680
the categories are relevant um and

1448
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,400
explain why we've used CPF funds for

1449
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,880
adjoining Winnick land trust lands. I

1450
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,480
think Kenny we use some CPF funds to

1451
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,400
acquire

1452
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,559
>> um

1453
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,960
prop properties owned by by your uncle

1454
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,319
there and the Wy land trust for state

1455
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,160
water preservation on the south co

1456
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,720
there.

1457
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,319
Um

1458
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:01,200
all right. Is there anything? We still

1459
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,799
have a public hearing open.

1460
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,309
Um

1461
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,520
» close it stands.

1462
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,799
>> It stands. All right. Do you want to

1463
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:14,640
deal with um a vote on the neck deck?

1464
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,390
Shall we?

1465
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,400
» I don't think we have a resolution. We

1466
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,520
do. Well, the neg itself is is a is a

1467
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,960
resolution. Yeah.

1468
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,640
So I I have a question.

1469
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,599
>> Sure.

1470
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,839
>> So I'm reading from the meeting uh the

1471
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,200
CPF meeting.

1472
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,000
>> Yeah.

1473
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000
>> And it states

1474
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,760
that

1475
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,160
parcels proposed for half years old.

1476
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,839
>> Hey Kenny, can you bring your mic

1477
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:44,240
closer?

1478
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:53,510
>> Parcel. This is

1479
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:03,349
Anyway,

1480
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:06,400
uh were formerly owned by Anendelle

1481
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,880
Waterworks Corporation, a transportation

1482
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,880
corporation, and were conveyed to the

1483
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,960
town for the benefit if I think that's a

1484
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,000
typo, of the water district. So, how

1485
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,880
were they conveyed?

1486
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,960
I mean, how do you convey it from the

1487
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,680
Anenddale Water Works Corporation to the

1488
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,359
town water district? And now, uh, the

1489
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,640
town holds them on behalf of the water

1490
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,880
district. So, all I'm asking for is

1491
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,920
where I would like to see the document

1492
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,000
that shows these, how they were

1493
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,839
conveyed, and and

1494
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,480
>> I I think that those documents exist in

1495
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,440
the clerk's office. I think in 1903 or

1496
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,440
so. Uh

1497
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,039
going off of recollection.

1498
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,400
>> So I just want to see the legal document

1499
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,359
and I think that should have been

1500
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:00,000
you know brought up months ago so we

1501
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,599
could see the connection between the

1502
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:06,870
town and the water district.

1503
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,839
» Okay. I I I think it's been explained. I

1504
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:11,599
know it's been explained and I see it in

1505
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,640
writing where where it's in the document

1506
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,960
of the you know you said it's somewhere

1507
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760
in the town and it says

1508
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,160
Chris said it so why can't we

1509
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,680
>> I think we've talked about it for months

1510
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,839
Kenny if you if you wanted to see that

1511
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:28,000
document I think it's appropriate that

1512
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,079
maybe you had asked for it months ago

1513
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,480
we've explained that it it is owned by

1514
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
the town right it's not in dispute on

1515
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,599
behalf of the water district I feel like

1516
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,799
we're just wasting a lot time. What is

1517
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:46,000
the So, I I'll tell you this. I'm I'm in support of the neg.

1518
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:46,559
>> Okay.

1519
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:47,200
>> Um

1520
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,640
>> so, let's see if we can get that

1521
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,200
accomplished.

1522
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:54,319
>> All right. But but what is what is the um timeline here? What what

1523
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,319
>> the time is if we'd like to if we'd like

1524
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:58,880
to apply it to the rehab project, we

1525
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:59,760
should vote on

1526
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,079
>> Exactly. So, this is part This is this

1527
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,400
money is needed for the rehab project,

1528
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,000
which is why I said it's a

1529
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,640
>> if we It is not a bailout. I mean,

1530
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:09,520
that's really

1531
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,440
>> It's not neat. It just lowers the debt

1532
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,079
for everybody else.

1533
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,559
>> It's not It's really not appropriate. I

1534
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,119
mean, you know, get your sensational

1535
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,039
headline that you want to get your, you

1536
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:20,559
know, if that's what you'd like. Can you

1537
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:20,960
answer

1538
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,520
>> I'd like to continue to move I'd like to

1539
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,119
continue to move forward with the work

1540
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,440
of the town, please. Well, I I'm I

1541
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,079
>> You can vote. You can vote no project.

1542
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:30,960
If you if you

1543
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,520
>> I will tell you that I'm I am likely in

1544
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,839
support of the purchase if we have all

1545
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:39,440
of the information and if I can

1546
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,039
understand all of all the information,

1547
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:44,400
which I currently don't.

1548
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:44,720
>> Okay.

1549
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,960
>> So, I I can't I I will support the NED

1550
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,880
deck, but I can't vote on this tonight

1551
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,319
because um I I don't have information on

1552
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,640
the on the easement. I mean, Kenny made

1553
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,640
a good point. You you've been sent the

1554
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,400
information on the easement.

1555
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,480
>> Well, I mean, we're not

1556
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,880
>> The public doesn't know. Why isn't it

1557
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,240
not in the title? The title report is an

1558
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,599
extensive title.

1559
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,520
>> We're sitting here. Then then let's go

1560
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,160
through it.

1561
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,640
>> We're not going to go through a 60 some

1562
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,920
odd page.

1563
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,280
>> Sorry.

1564
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,720
>> We're not going to It's a title. It's a

1565
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,359
full title report. Um the language of

1566
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:21,359
the easement is within that large

1567
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:22,960
document.

1568
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,280
Um, we've explained it to you. We've

1569
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,200
done this in previous meetings. We

1570
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,880
showed you exactly where the easement

1571
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,280
was. We showed you the aerial. I feel

1572
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,440
like we're just reiterating the same

1573
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:33,839
thing.

1574
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:36,400
>> No, I mean, we tal I I we did talk about

1575
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,480
the easement, but I haven't seen any

1576
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,200
language.

1577
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,960
>> Yes, you were sent the title report

1578
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,319
which includes the language of the

1579
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:45,680
easement.

1580
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,559
>> Let's just look at it.

1581
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:49,839
>> What What would it change for? What

1582
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,240
would it change for? Yeah.

1583
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,799
Well, I'd like to see like I don't I

1584
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:56,720
besides Robert moving his mouse on the

1585
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,319
screen, I don't know where the actual

1586
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:01,200
Eastman is. I mean, Kenny said he knows

1587
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,240
from living in in the area that there

1588
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,839
used to be a driveway there. We talked

1589
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:08,559
about that at a few meetings, but like I

1590
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:14,319
would like to see the boundaries of the property and understand

1591
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:17,920
how much of it is an easement and and

1592
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,920
how much of it is buildable because it I

1593
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,920
mean it affects the value of of the land

1594
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,680
just like we're looking at like a

1595
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,599
wetlands map. If we're just talking that

1596
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,599
okay, there's wetlands and we don't know

1597
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:32,799
where the wetlands are. We didn't I mean

1598
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:34,400
the whole thing is very loose to me. We

1599
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,400
didn't get the wetlands flagged. We

1600
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,240
don't have two appraisals. And can

1601
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,559
anybody back me up that we just talked

1602
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:43,680
about another property that we were

1603
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,760
getting two appraisals for?

1604
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,839
>> Bill,

1605
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,400
>> Jacob, Ken, I mean, did we not talk

1606
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,480
about this recently?

1607
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:53,680
>> I'm not sure.

1608
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:54,720
>> Yeah. I don't I don't know what you're

1609
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:54,960
talking about.

1610
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,920
>> I really don't know what you're talking

1611
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,640
about.

1612
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,799
>> Like, do you like what do you know what

1613
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:01,039
it is? Are you just like do you have

1614
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,240
something in mind that you're trying to

1615
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,599
like

1616
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,520
>> talk about but you're not talking about?

1617
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,119
>> Uh yes. I mean there I I can't I can't

1618
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:10,559
say things that we talked about in

1619
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,720
executive session but there were there

1620
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,240
were other properties that we talked

1621
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,159
about getting two appraisals for.

1622
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:17,520
>> Okay. Um

1623
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,600
>> I mean am I crazy?

1624
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,440
>> I I just think you're mistaken. I don't

1625
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:23,920
think you're crazy. Um here's here's the

1626
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,120
aerial. Okay. The easement language in

1627
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,920
plain terms allows them to continue to

1628
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,400
mow and maintain the area that they

1629
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,000
>> That's partial access. That's not That's

1630
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,960
not easement language.

1631
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,359
>> That is the language in making dis.

1632
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,440
>> You could actually see it on paral see

1633
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:42,640
it on parcel access

1634
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,600
>> part that's green.

1635
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,520
>> Come on. You would never

1636
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,040
>> I guess I don't understand what

1637
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,960
>> this is. This is the way it was written.

1638
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,520
We would not write it this way. This is

1639
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,520
the way it was written years ago. It was

1640
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,359
written between the developer and the

1641
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,759
adjoining land owner. We would maybe

1642
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:03,600
have meets and bounds, but that's not

1643
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,960
the way it was written. Okay? And so,

1644
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,640
>> truthfully, I am not trying to be

1645
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,239
difficult. I I do not think that we have

1646
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:13,759
you would never

1647
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,920
>> you would never sign all the closing

1648
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,319
papers for this property if you don't

1649
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,640
have this information in front of you. I

1650
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,400
have I have the information

1651
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,640
>> to say that you sent an email and it was

1652
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,880
circulated.

1653
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,560
>> No, like you gota you gota

1654
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:31,520
>> Okay, we

1655
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,560
>> it's unclear.

1656
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,960
>> Let's let's see what steps we can make.

1657
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,880
You you you've said you uh

1658
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,640
>> seeker So we have a NEG deck um

1659
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,040
proposal as drafted as modified with the

1660
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,319
uh the change there. Um, who would like

1661
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,120
to make a motion to

1662
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,679
uh approve a negation?

1663
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:55,600
>> I will make a motion to approve the ND

1664
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:56,560
deck on the speaker.

1665
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,640
>> Okay. Who would like to second?

1666
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,679
>> I'll second.

1667
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,000
>> Thank you. Is there further discussion

1668
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,840
on the negative?

1669
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,480
>> Okay. All in favor? Kenny.

1670
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,679
>> Hi,

1671
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:08,239
>> William.

1672
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:08,880
>> Hi,

1673
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,719
>> myself. I Jacob.

1674
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:11,679
>> Hi.

1675
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:12,320
>> Christina.

1676
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:12,800
>> Hi.

1677
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,760
>> Okay. So, we've got an egg deck, got a

1678
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,920
referral,

1679
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,679
we've discussed

1680
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,159
a couple of things that not everybody is

1681
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,640
happy with the explanation.

1682
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,800
Um,

1683
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,040
that's the way the world works. Not

1684
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,520
everybody is happy with explanations.

1685
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,840
We've, I think, spent a lot of time on

1686
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:36,640
this.

1687
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,360
>> We've spent many months on this issue.

1688
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,520
We've discussed these parcels

1689
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,000
adnauseium. We've discussed the purpose

1690
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:50,560
of these parcels that it was a two birds with one stone type of a

1691
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,360
situation and here we are. Um and if

1692
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,800
you're in favor of the project, it would

1693
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800
be nice to know so that we can go ahead

1694
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,960
and entertain

1695
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,560
um

1696
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,880
uh a resolution which we have drafted.

1697
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,679
It's now 8:45. We have a lot of business

1698
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:15,360
in front of the board. Um,

1699
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,040
>> can't do that till we close the public

1700
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:17,440
hearing.

1701
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,040
>> Yes, sir. Would you like to make that

1702
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:19,600
motion?

1703
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,760
>> I'll just continue the motion they made

1704
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,440
previously to close the public.

1705
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:24,560
>> I'll second your motion.

1706
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,320
>> Thank you.

1707
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,920
>> Um,

1708
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,800
further discussion about that? All in

1709
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,239
favor? Kenny.

1710
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:32,880
>> I.

1711
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:33,360
>> William.

1712
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:33,760
>> I.

1713
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,360
>> Myself. I. Jacob.

1714
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,159
>> Hi,

1715
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:36,880
>> Christina.

1716
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,679
>> Hi.

1717
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:43,760
All right. So, the resolution

1718
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,360
is for the town's potential acquisition.

1719
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,880
It's authorizing the disposition of the

1720
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,440
water district number one surplus lots

1721
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,480
and acquisition. So, it's a twofer in

1722
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,400
the resolution

1723
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,480
under the town's community preservation

1724
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:01,840
program. I'm going to read the

1725
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,000
resolution. Whereas the town of Red Hook

1726
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,920
on behalf of the town of the water

1727
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,719
district owns parcels located in Red

1728
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:12,080
Hook identified on applicable tax maps

1729
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,000
that been read to you before

1730
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,560
collectively totaling approximately 8

1731
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,600
and 12 acres. Whereas the surplus water

1732
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,520
district parcels are vacant parcels

1733
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,480
formerly the site of water source wells

1734
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,320
which the water district's water board

1735
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,560
has determined are unneeded for purpose

1736
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,800
of the water district. Whereas the

1737
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,040
proposed terms of sale are based upon

1738
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,000
the estimated fair value of the surplus

1739
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,159
water district parcels and the estimated

1740
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:41,600
fair value is 222,000.

1741
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,520
The public hearing was duly held by the

1742
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,520
town board on the 11th day of August at

1743
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,440
7:35. a town hall in accordance with

1744
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,040
town law and discussion on the matter

1745
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,600
having been had and all persons desiring

1746
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,159
to be heard having been heard including

1747
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:58,320
those in favor of and those in

1748
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,960
opposition regarding the disposition.

1749
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,520
Whereas pursuant to chapter 57 of the

1750
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,199
town code, the town board has

1751
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,600
established a community preservation

1752
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,679
fund

1753
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:12,640
and uh the project plan and the board

1754
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,480
has referred the application to the

1755
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,199
advisory committee duly appointed by the

1756
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,080
board for review of such application and

1757
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,400
rating according to the program criteria

1758
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,960
established under the plan. taking into

1759
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,199
account the importance of the resource

1760
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,520
and the anticipated availability of

1761
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,840
funding by others and availability of

1762
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,760
funding under the town's community

1763
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,640
preservation fund program. Whereas the

1764
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,600
town has recognized in its plan adopted

1765
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,159
pursuant to chapter 57 that the open

1766
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,480
space is vital to the future social,

1767
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,040
economic and environmental health of the

1768
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,440
town. And whereas pursuant to the town

1769
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,400
CPF program, the town is proposing to

1770
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,480
purchase the surplus water district

1771
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,880
parcels for the purpose of preserving

1772
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,000
open space including wetland areas. And

1773
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,480
whereas the surplus water district

1774
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,120
parcels were identified in the CPF plan

1775
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,520
as a high priority for preservation

1776
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,800
based on ecologically significant areas

1777
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,840
and significant biodiversity areas.

1778
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,840
Whereas in concurrent public hearing was

1779
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,000
duly held by the town board on the 11th

1780
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,080
day of August 2026 at 7:35 prevailing

1781
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,440
time at the town hall in the town in

1782
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:28,320
accordance with section 575 of the town

1783
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,880
vote and section 247 of the GML and

1784
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,960
discussion on the matter having been had

1785
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,199
and all persons desiring to be heard

1786
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,120
having been heard including those in

1787
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,280
favor of and those in opposition

1788
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,760
regarding the acquisition of an interest

1789
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,800
or right in real property to preserve

1790
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,280
open space with respect to the surplus

1791
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,159
water district parcels, including use of

1792
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,719
monies from the CPF fund. And whereas

1793
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:56,800
the community preservation funding

1794
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,800
advisory committee has reviewed the

1795
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,520
proposed acquisition of the surplus

1796
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,239
parcels based on the priority ranking

1797
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:07,040
set forth in the CPF plan and provided

1798
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,480
its findings dated July 22nd.

1799
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,719
sufficient monies are available in the

1800
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:15,600
fund. Whereas on May 27th, the town

1801
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,679
board adopted a negative declaration

1802
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,520
under secret determining that the

1803
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,600
proposed disposition of the surplus

1804
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,600
parcels and the acquisition from the

1805
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,760
community preservation fund will not

1806
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,360
have a significant adverse effect. Um

1807
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,800
therefore be resolved. the town board

1808
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,960
uh by the favorable vote of not less

1809
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,199
than the majority finds that the surplus

1810
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,520
water district parcels are unneeded for

1811
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,440
the purposes of the water district and

1812
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,920
that the disposition of the surplus

1813
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,920
water district parcels on the proposed

1814
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,560
terms of sale is in the best interest of

1815
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,280
the town. The town board finds that the

1816
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,960
acquisition of the water district

1817
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,199
parcels is consistent with the town's

1818
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:57,760
community preservation fund project plan

1819
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,679
and will preserve open space including

1820
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:01,520
wetland areas on the water district

1821
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,000
parcels and that acquisition is the best

1822
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,600
alternative for the protection of

1823
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,520
community character of all the

1824
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,239
reasonable alternatives available to the

1825
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,719
town. The town board approves the

1826
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:14,880
disposition of the surplus water

1827
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,600
district parcels for purchase of price

1828
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,679
of 222,000

1829
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:21,360
and the expenditure of community

1830
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,600
preservation fund monies in an amount

1831
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,080
not to exceed $240,000

1832
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,000
for the acquisition of water district

1833
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,709
parcels and related costs.

1834
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:34,880
the supervisor or in his absence, the

1835
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,120
deputy is hereby authorized and directed

1836
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,840
to execute such deeds and conveyance

1837
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,719
instruments as are consistent with this

1838
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,280
resolution. Officers, employees, and

1839
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,520
agents of the town are hereby authorized

1840
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,360
and directed for in the name and behalf

1841
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,480
of the town to do all acts and things as

1842
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,800
may be necessary or in the opinion of

1843
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,440
the officer, employee or agent acting

1844
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,719
desirable and proper to affect purposes

1845
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:04,800
of the forebe resolution.

1846
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,400
So that's the resolution.

1847
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,280
We have spent many meetings on this. I

1848
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:17,280
realize that not everybody is

1849
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,760
completely satisfied on some of the

1850
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,120
answers. That is the way it goes

1851
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,270
sometimes.

1852
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,760
I think it's important to uh protect

1853
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,400
these parcels for that green space for

1854
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,600
the area. There's nothing we've done in

1855
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,040
the town of Red Hope that's been a

1856
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,159
leader in protecting green space for our

1857
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:43,760
community. It is the economic driver of

1858
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,320
this town. The people move here and

1859
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,320
invest here because of the quality of

1860
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,800
life. We have an opportunity to once

1861
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,000
again to enhance the quality of life in

1862
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,000
this particular neighborhood and we find

1863
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,239
ourselves doing it in each and every

1864
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,600
neighborhood uh throughout the town. And

1865
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,800
so, um, I'm, uh, ready to entertain this

1866
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,000
resolution, and I know that not

1867
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:16,320
everybody may be at this time. Um,

1868
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,960
thoughts? You do have a resolution. What

1869
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,400
number would it be, Deanna?

1870
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,640
>> 40.

1871
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,199
>> I just find it frustrating. I think that

1872
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:28,719
it like things could be a lot easier if

1873
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:31,679
we were just kind of working together

1874
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:35,600
and um like I earn like I want to

1875
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,960
support this but I I feel like I'm

1876
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,880
hitting a roadblock when I ask questions

1877
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,640
about it and as somebody who's elected

1878
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,840
to represent people I imagine like if I

1879
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,040
have questions about it other people

1880
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840
have questions about it right like it's

1881
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,960
>> well I I hope you see that I I can't

1882
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,719
speak for any other board members. I

1883
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:58,159
think we've tried to answer your

1884
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:03,040
questions, Christina. I mean, you you may have questions well beyond the

1885
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,760
time of acquisition of these parcels,

1886
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,480
but at some point we do have to

1887
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,480
>> feel like you answered my question.

1888
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,600
>> I appreciate that. I did say

1889
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,440
>> not everybody may feel their questions

1890
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,600
have been answered to the degree. I

1891
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,880
would suggest, however, if you have

1892
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,080
additional questions that you want,

1893
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,520
please give us give me some more time.

1894
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,280
If you had a question about a form that

1895
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,120
was actually in there or a memo that was

1896
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,199
actually in in the document where it

1897
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:36,560
was, give us time, not at the meeting to

1898
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,480
say, "Oh, can you can you go get this or

1899
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:39,760
go get that?" We've been talking about

1900
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,280
this for months. So if you have

1901
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,199
questions, I would encourage you to

1902
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,199
maybe develop that list of questions a

1903
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,840
little sooner so that I mean we are on

1904
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,880
probably 10 months of this. I don't

1905
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,960
know. I'm I'm just putting it out there.

1906
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,880
Something like 10 months for for the

1907
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,280
acquisition of these parcels. So I think

1908
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,080
that if there's if you give the list of

1909
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,760
questions, we'll do we'll do the best

1910
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,719
that we can. But recognize our job is to

1911
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,800
advance the interests of the township.

1912
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,199
It isn't necessarily to answer all the

1913
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:10,800
questions that you have. though we are

1914
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:11,840
trying to do that.

1915
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,560
>> Oh, I I wholeheartedly disagree when

1916
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,040
there's when there's questions.

1917
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,320
>> I I hope you see that we're trying to

1918
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,400
>> I hope you see we're trying to get you

1919
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,920
the answers to the questions that you

1920
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,760
have, but we don't know what questions

1921
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,520
are going to come up. And at some point,

1922
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,239
we do have to take action. in in in the

1923
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:31,840
10 years that I was on the planning

1924
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,080
board, when there was a question, you

1925
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,080
can't think of everything about every

1926
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,920
project all the time, but when there was

1927
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,920
a question and somebody on the board

1928
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,840
would say, "Oh, what like what was that

1929
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,520
thing about the thing?" We would pull it

1930
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,040
up. We would pull it out of the file and

1931
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,360
be like, "Oh, I here's the answer."

1932
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,199
>> I I I think I

1933
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,120
>> No, you haven't given the answers. And

1934
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,520
like that's frustrating to me

1935
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,440
>> because I I think that I'm asking very

1936
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:56,560
basic questions.

1937
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,600
>> Yeah. Well, I I did my best to try to

1938
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,719
answer those questions, but if if I can

1939
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:07,440
after tonight as well, I'd be happy to resend you things. I reprinted things

1940
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,600
out for you. I mean, I can't at some

1941
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,719
point I I work for everybody. So, I I

1942
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:15,040
need to I need to continue to advance

1943
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,679
the progress in this community. So, I

1944
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,480
think 10 months, lots of questions, a

1945
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,480
lot of repetition, some of the comments

1946
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,800
that people have made.

1947
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,679
I I'm ready. I'm ready to take action on

1948
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:30,719
this. I don't know how others feel.

1949
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,400
>> Is that a motion?

1950
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,320
>> Sounds like a motion. Uh I'd like to

1951
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:41,840
move resolution number 40, please, as uh

1952
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:46,880
both described and um

1953
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,600
and shown

1954
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,480
>> the layout zone for the water department

1955
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,520
and water district. I will second that.

1956
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,400
Okay. on their bad.

1957
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,800
>> I hesitate to say further discussion,

1958
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:03,510
but I'm going to say further discussion.

1959
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:10,239
» Okay. If not, all in favor? Kenny?

1960
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:10,960
>> Nay.

1961
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,639
>> All right. William,

1962
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:13,440
>> hi.

1963
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,080
>> Myself,

1964
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,120
>> I. Jacob,

1965
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:15,920
>> hi.

1966
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:16,560
>> Christina,

1967
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,199
>> nay.

1968
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:22,239
>> Okay. Uh, the resolution passes. Thank

1969
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:23,760
you very much. Thank you all

1970
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,880
>> talking to the mic.

1971
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,440
>> Thank you all who attended

1972
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,320
um not only tonight's public hearing but

1973
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,400
all the previous meetings um as you see

1974
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,480
uh democracy has both people in favor of

1975
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,840
and against uh certain matters. I I will

1976
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,320
remind everybody the most contentious

1977
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,719
thing still to this date that occurred

1978
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:49,360
in the town of Red Hook as documented

1979
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:54,000
was the CPF was also now 20 years later

1980
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,040
probably the most transformative. Um it

1981
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,600
was put to public referendum as required

1982
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,600
by law and passed by I think it was 33

1983
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,199
votes. um timing being uh what it was

1984
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:11,360
with the real estate uh crash of 2007,

1985
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,560
without CPF, we would not have uh the

1986
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,520
ability to protect um much of the

1987
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,440
farmland, certainly on West Curly

1988
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:22,560
Corner, as we heard from uh Mr. Treza

1989
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,639
tonight. We were fortunate enough to be

1990
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:27,840
able to partner with him um protecting

1991
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,040
uh that farm and adjoining familyowned

1992
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,760
farms. Um Mr.

1993
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,159
rally as well. Um, many farmer

1994
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:39,280
>> I I'm explaining

1995
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,120
>> I'm driving to the city at 3:00 a.m.

1996
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,639
tomorrow. So,

1997
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,719
>> I I agree with you. I'd like I'd like

1998
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:46,960
our meetings to to run as well.

1999
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,920
>> We're done with this as well.

2000
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,920
>> Let's go. Let's move on, please.

2001
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:50,719
>> Okay.

2002
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:51,120
>> Thank you.

2003
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,600
>> Uh, with that said, um, our next item on

2004
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:56,880
the agenda, oh, we're going to take some

2005
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,360
public comments.

2006
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,520
Who would like to make some general

2007
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,360
public comments tonight? And thank you

2008
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,800
all for coming. Um Roxan, if you would

2009
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,840
be kind enough to.

2010
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,239
>> Roxan Fishiser, Barry Town.

2011
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:12,800
>> Thank you.

2012
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,679
>> I am informing the board and the public

2013
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:18,880
that I have received formal confirmation

2014
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,040
from the office of the New York State

2015
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,320
Controller acknowledging receipt of my

2016
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,600
fourth supplemental complaint. This

2017
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,800
formal submission to Chief Auditor James

2018
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,480
Letainer's team documents a persistent

2019
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:37,760
pattern of fiscal impropriy,

2020
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,239
statutory non-compliance,

2021
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:44,320
and compounding municipal waste. In his

2022
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,280
July 17th coverage with Daily Catch,

2023
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,880
Supervisor McKeen admitted his intent to

2024
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,239
divert open space revenue, stating

2025
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,040
verbatim, "When we conclude the final

2026
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,920
two elements of the Cookingham project,

2027
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,920
we will have not because that we

2028
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,120
intended to, we will have made enough

2029
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,800
already on Cookingham so much so much

2030
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,520
money on that project. we will have paid

2031
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,639
for not only these legal fees but any

2032
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:18,639
ensuing legal fees. To be clear, under

2033
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:23,120
New York State town law section 64H,

2034
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:27,440
CPF funds are restricted solely for open

2035
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:31,280
space preservation, not a slush fund for

2036
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,320
general litigation and court defeats.

2037
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,880
Furthermore, on June 25th, Justice Rosa

2038
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,920
handed this town its second major court

2039
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,760
defeat, striking down local laws B and C

2040
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,920
for continuous seeker non-compliance.

2041
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,440
In spite of multiple multiple lawsuits,

2042
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,199
our foils to the town have not yielded

2043
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:01,199
any invoices for 2026,

2044
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:04,080
which must mean that there are

2045
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,639
skyrocketing costs from our legal

2046
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:11,840
partners for multiple lawsuits. Finally,

2047
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,760
the board continues to ignore

2048
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,880
insurmountable realities. restrictive

2049
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,400
deed covenants barring public parks and

2050
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,639
an open active CSX rail line bordering

2051
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:28,639
the access route. No amount of money can

2052
01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:32,320
offset the catastrophic safety liability

2053
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,920
of routing public park traffic alongside

2054
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,800
active train tracks. Council member

2055
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,280
Duchon was entirely correct when she

2056
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,159
noted on the record the total lack of

2057
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:47,520
basic planning behind this project. The

2058
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,880
current 32 block is squandering public

2059
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:56,000
money on an unviable project. But 32

2060
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,840
majorities are not set in stone. Tonight

2061
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,880
I appeal to Hamilton Tester. You have

2062
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,199
seen the court rulings, the mounting

2063
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,760
legal bills. You know the severe

2064
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,040
liability risks of the site. Continuing

2065
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,480
down this path exposes our town to

2066
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:18,639
continuous financial and legal jeopardy.

2067
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,639
Step forward,

2068
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:23,679
re-examine the facts, and vote to resend

2069
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:26,000
your previous authorization for these

2070
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,120
eminent domain proceedings. Restore

2071
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,159
fiscal integrity to Red Hook.

2072
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,480
>> Thank you, Roxan. Would anybody else

2073
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:41,990
like to make some public comments?

2074
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,440
» Lisa Polo Alresent West Corner Road.

2075
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,840
Lisa Polo was unable to stay. She had

2076
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,600
other meetings tonight. She asked me to

2077
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,320
read this on her behalf. At the July

2078
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,120
14th board meeting, many of us witnessed

2079
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,360
unprofessional behavior by council

2080
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,920
member Jacob Testa directed at council

2081
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,639
member Christina Duchon. That behavior

2082
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:04,800
was also the subject of a fair number of

2083
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,400
social media comments. Councilman

2084
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,320
council member Tester repeatedly

2085
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,320
interrupted her spoke in harsh and

2086
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,719
raised tone and turned his back on her

2087
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,600
while she was speaking.

2088
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,239
When council member Duchon requested to

2089
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,239
serve as a point person for

2090
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:24,400
communications regarding a recently

2091
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,960
filed lawsuit, council member Tester

2092
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,880
accused her of being biased in favor of

2093
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,000
the Poke Club. accusing a fellow board

2094
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,920
member of bias simply because she

2095
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,440
unapologetically

2096
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,400
listens to her constituents and is a

2097
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,960
blatant double standard.

2098
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,239
Uh by that same logic, council member

2099
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,239
Tester's consistent voting record

2100
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:48,400
against the vote club demonstrates his

2101
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,679
own undeniable pre-existing bias. What

2102
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:53,920
council member Tester characterized as

2103
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,639
bias is in fact the desire of most of

2104
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:59,040
the community and we applaud council

2105
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,760
member Ducharm's comm commitment to

2106
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,239
speaking on behalf of the constituents.

2107
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,000
We have witnessed similar behavior by

2108
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,000
the supervisor. You will recall his

2109
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,560
condescending tone to a very capable and

2110
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,880
highly regarded highway superintendent

2111
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,120
as he disputed her wellressearched

2112
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,000
vehicle recommendations and lectured her

2113
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,800
on following procedure

2114
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,520
procurement procedures. How ironic. At

2115
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,840
the same time behind the scenes he was

2116
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,239
engaged in multiple law firms. He was

2117
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:30,159
engaging multiple law firms without

2118
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,800
following proper approval procedures.

2119
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,120
and many of us recall his dismissive and

2120
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,440
exclusionary treatment by the former

2121
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,000
town clerk and deputy town clerk. One

2122
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,000
might notice a common theme among the

2123
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,400
targets of such behavior.

2124
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,560
Councilman Tester, that is not the

2125
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,679
behavior you should want to emulate.

2126
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:52,000
Not only is it disrespectful and

2127
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,080
unprofessional, but is certainly

2128
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,960
unbecoming of an associate dean of civil

2129
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,159
rights. Disagreement is a natural and

2130
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:02,800
healthy part of local governance, but

2131
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,360
berating a colleague, cutting off

2132
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,239
debate, and using hostile behavior is

2133
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,560
completely unbecoming of an elected

2134
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,040
official representing this town. The

2135
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,040
residents of this town deserve a town

2136
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,199
board that treats each other with

2137
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:20,480
dignity and basic courtesy. The conduct

2138
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,719
we witness sets a dangerous precedent

2139
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:24,719
for how business is conducted in this

2140
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:26,719
hall. Respectfully submitted, Lisa

2141
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:30,400
Polar. Thank you.

2142
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,920
>> Well, would you like to make some

2143
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,719
remarks?

2144
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,080
>> Absolutely.

2145
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,400
>> Wait a minute. I got one more. Go ahead.

2146
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:43,510
I'll ask my own question here.

2147
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,440
» Folks, if we could, we'd like to keep it

2148
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,719
to 15 minutes as as we

2149
01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:49,760
>> paid time.

2150
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:50,560
>> Thank you,

2151
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,239
>> Mr. Tesla, Mr. Hamill.

2152
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,639
Without town water approval, you have

2153
01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:01,040
been parties along with the dictator

2154
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,520
to the illegal squandering of local

2155
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:09,350
taxpayers money to the sum of $300,000.

2156
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,040
Shame. Shame.

2157
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,040
How much more has been spent by the

2158
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,880
dictator

2159
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,280
without global approval?

2160
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,440
Shame. Shame.

2161
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,280
I believe this money could have been

2162
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,840
better spent by the residents for their

2163
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,960
personal needs. The board of elections

2164
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:36,239
has a total count of $862

2165
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:39,360
voters in the town of Red Oak.

2166
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,280
This $300,000

2167
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,800
expense paid for by taxpaying voting

2168
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,199
residents, people you'll be talking to

2169
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:50,159
in the next year

2170
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,679
if you want to run back run again.

2171
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:57,120
may be allocated as follows. Registered

2172
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:01,280
Democrats 144,510

2173
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,189
48.17%.

2174
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:09,840
Registered Republicans 59,280

2175
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,950
19.76%.

2176
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,600
Other enrollments

2177
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:22,950
$96,210.327%.

2178
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,840
Residents deserve open government honest

2179
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,629
representation.

2180
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:34,000
Majority rule, not the past practice of

2181
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,920
hidden inexecutive session perpetuated

2182
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,480
by the dictator.

2183
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:44,000
afraid to let the consultants hear

2184
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,440
discussion and compromise and the truth.

2185
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,760
Mr. Dictator,

2186
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,280
shame, shame, shame all of you.

2187
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:57,990
>> Thank you.

2188
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,520
» Sorry. Thank you.

2189
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,440
>> Anybody else like to make some comments?

2190
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:02,800
>> I'd like to make a comment on my own

2191
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,199
behalf.

2192
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:07,280
For the last year, Robert, you and Bill

2193
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,800
and uh Jacob have indicated that it is

2194
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,000
your position that the the majority of

2195
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,600
the town is in favor of your eminent

2196
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,000
domain proceeding. At the last meeting,

2197
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,360
Christina made a motion to hold a public

2198
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,040
referendum. Well, and you all voted no,

2199
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,400
the three of you. I don't understand it.

2200
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,040
If you believe that the resid residents

2201
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,120
of this town are in your behind you in

2202
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,600
this matter on eminent domain, why not

2203
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,000
hold a public resolution? Show us that

2204
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,760
you're right.

2205
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,320
Show us that you're correct. Quite

2206
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:43,679
frankly, I don't agree with you because

2207
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,679
I think no matter what your station in

2208
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:48,239
life is, what your political persuasion

2209
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:51,520
may be, whatever your personal feelings

2210
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,280
may be, people really resent a

2211
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,760
government taking and stripping people

2212
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,239
of their property rights. But I'd like

2213
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,320
you to reconsider your thoughts. Not

2214
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:03,920
this meeting. Christina, I'd ask next

2215
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,000
meeting to make the motion again. Let's

2216
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,159
see if you guys can reconsider and show

2217
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,400
us that you really believe that the

2218
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,800
public is behind you. And as far as the

2219
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,560
cost is, it's nominal. You've already

2220
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,120
spent $300,000 fooling around with

2221
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,920
lawsuits and now you got four of them,

2222
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,800
five of them pending right now. So a few

2223
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,199
thousand to hold a public referendum is

2224
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:27,520
peanuts in this matter. Show us you're

2225
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,159
right. Show us you're correct. Robert,

2226
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:32,239
Bill, Jacob, that the town is behind

2227
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,719
you. Vote for a resol. vote for the

2228
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,719
permissive referendum and let's find

2229
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:37,760
out. Thank you.

2230
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,239
>> Thank you. Okay, we'll take one more.

2231
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:42,800
Thank you, Carrie.

2232
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,920
>> Carrie Kitner, Barrytown, New York. Um,

2233
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,760
actually, um, uh, Al

2234
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,520
covered what I wanted to say. I had

2235
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,440
heard that there was a motion for a

2236
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:57,199
referendum. And actually, I hate to

2237
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,239
point at you, Jacob, after you've been

2238
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,199
uh kind of pointed at already, but uh I

2239
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:05,760
know that you and I share being

2240
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,840
democratic socialists. And um I think

2241
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,360
your reason for wanting the vote club is

2242
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,040
because you think it should belong to

2243
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:16,800
everyone.

2244
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,040
Um but that's just socialism. That's not

2245
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,120
democratic socialism, which is really

2246
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:24,719
different.

2247
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:27,920
Socialism is when a powerful government

2248
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,000
takes things from the people and decides

2249
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,679
for them how it should work. Democratic

2250
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:37,360
socialism is allowing a democracy

2251
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,320
to decide and that is the people. So you

2252
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,040
can't be for democratic socialism and

2253
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,600
vote against a resolution that is

2254
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,760
dividing this town in a way that is

2255
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,400
breaking my heart. We started with the

2256
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,719
pledge of allegiance and when I was

2257
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:58,719
thinking about socialism I was like oh

2258
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:00,880
yeah a lot of people think of socialism

2259
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,600
because we grew up with the USSR but

2260
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,280
that was never socialism. That was

2261
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,960
communism and oligarchy and powerful

2262
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,639
government. um real socialism is

2263
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,040
actually for the people. And then when

2264
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,280
we were talking about the United States

2265
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,159
of America, I think about how that's not

2266
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,719
really true anymore in so many ways. And

2267
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,120
we're not the United States anymore.

2268
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,840
We're like the divided states. And I

2269
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,480
feel like it's happening here in our

2270
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,520
town. And it's really distressing.

2271
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:37,840
And so as a democratic socialist and

2272
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,159
that means that I'm for social security

2273
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:43,040
and public schools but I am not

2274
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,560
fortaking

2275
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,600
from a collective which this I mean you

2276
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,679
know this group this boat club number

2277
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:53,040
one I'm for social clubs this is a

2278
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,159
social club and I think people should be

2279
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,880
allowed to have clubs and they are

2280
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,199
they're a little community of a hundred

2281
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:05,520
families. So that's hundreds of people

2282
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,080
sharing two acres of land and you want

2283
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,880
to take it for everyone like it it's a

2284
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:12,800
limited resource you know like

2285
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,239
healthcare that's a big resource and

2286
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,040
schools it's like for everyone this is

2287
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,679
not for everyone this is this is for

2288
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:24,239
like people who have motorboats so

2289
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,040
anyway just want to say as a democratic

2290
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,639
socialist to another democratic

2291
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,159
socialist

2292
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,880
please let's have a referendum let it be

2293
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,080
a democracy proceed.

2294
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:39,109
>> Thank you.

2295
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:40,639
» We're going to get on with the agenda. I

2296
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,800
just want to remind you all just the

2297
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,199
rules of decorum for our meetings are

2298
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:48,800
such please do not target your comments

2299
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,840
to any individual board member. The

2300
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,760
comments are for the board as a whole.

2301
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,960
Um and we ask that you not

2302
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,199
>> I'm sorry. I didn't know that.

2303
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:02,080
>> Yeah.

2304
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,000
>> Sorry. But it's okay.

2305
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,119
>> I think that there have been things that

2306
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:06,480
have been misrepresented tonight. I

2307
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:07,840
don't feel like fighting it, but thank

2308
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,679
you for your comments.

2309
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:15,040
>> Okay, let us move on, shall we?

2310
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,600
>> In furtherance

2311
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,679
to the supervisor's report, let's go

2312
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:21,679
back. Um, we heard we heard some

2313
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:24,400
comments. Well, folks folks are gone.

2314
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,159
Um,

2315
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,000
already working on next year's budget.

2316
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,320
very happy to talk about uh the finances

2317
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,560
of the town of Red Hook and

2318
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,639
how taxes are lower than they were a

2319
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:41,760
decade ago and we've got 90 plus

2320
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:46,880
projects completed. Um the

2321
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:51,119
snapshot is for the period ending July

2322
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,440
31st.

2323
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:56,239
I will put my signature on this when you

2324
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,960
make a motion to accept. Uh we started

2325
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,960
the month with an opening balance of

2326
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:06,080
11.5 million at receipts of 856,000

2327
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,639
dispersements of 88,000.

2328
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:14,149
We have a balance of 11,597,000

2329
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:17,280
and change. you have as part of your

2330
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,239
packet some uh budget adjustments

2331
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,440
prepared by an Conway.

2332
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,280
Um

2333
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,679
any questions you have on that, please

2334
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:32,560
let me know. Um and

2335
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,639
you have your variance report as you do

2336
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:37,440
each and every month showing where we

2337
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:40,000
stand versus budget for each one of the

2338
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,840
accounts.

2339
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,520
Any

2340
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:47,440
questions? Board members 913

2341
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:51,270
at night.

2342
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,840
» If not, who would like to make a motion

2343
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,800
to accept the supervisor's report?

2344
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,600
>> Kenny.

2345
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:00,400
>> Sure.

2346
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:01,119
>> Okay.

2347
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:04,629
>> Second.

2348
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:06,800
» Jacob. A second.

2349
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,040
>> Um, all in favor? William.

2350
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,600
>> Christina. Five.

2351
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,719
>> Five. Um, Diana, could I impose upon you

2352
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:16,239
to do the clerk's report? Then we'll

2353
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:17,520
move to agenda items.

2354
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,520
>> Town clerk's report for the period July

2355
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,199
1st through July 31st, 2026. Amount paid

2356
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:27,679
to the town of Red Hook, $7,670.60.

2357
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:29,280
Amount paid to New York State

2358
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:30,880
Agriculture and Markets for the Spay

2359
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,520
Neuter Program, $39. Amount paid to New

2360
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:34,639
York State Department of Health for

2361
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:37,600
marriage licenses, $45. Amount paid to

2362
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:38,639
New York State Environmental

2363
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:40,239
Conservation for hunting and fishing

2364
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:43,119
license $198.40.

2365
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,440
Total state, county, and local revenue

2366
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:49,030
$7,953.

2367
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,239
And I hereby certify that vouchers

2368
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,760
number 35127 to 35222

2369
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,000
processed in the month of July 2026 or

2370
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,679
an accurate reporting of the abstracts

2371
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:04,229
approved for payment by the town board.

2372
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:05,600
» Okay.

2373
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,239
Motion to accept the court report.

2374
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,840
>> Second

2375
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,560
bill got in there before Christina. All

2376
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,880
in favor Christina.

2377
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,639
>> I

2378
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:19,280
myself I Jacob.

2379
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:27,030
>> Okay, let's go.

2380
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,960
» We're going to skip around. We're going

2381
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,119
to skip around since we don't have our

2382
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:36,000
highway super um with us tonight. Um,

2383
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:42,310
we do have

2384
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,800
We're going to go to water first.

2385
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,800
>> Sorry, David. I'm going to go to water

2386
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,600
first. They they got here oily. Um,

2387
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,520
>> so uh item number seven, drinking water

2388
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,119
source protection plan two, next steps.

2389
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:02,480
Um, I think I sort of described a little

2390
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,840
bit of where we are. Who wants to talk

2391
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,840
first?

2392
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,080
>> Maybe it's appropriate that I do since I

2393
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,280
was the designated town board member.

2394
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,119
>> Okay, I'm going to step away for one

2395
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:16,400
minute.

2396
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,159
>> All right, I'll keep talking.

2397
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,960
>> You keep talking. Thank you. Okay. So,

2398
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,800
the New York State Department of Health

2399
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,719
and Department of Environmental

2400
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,920
Conservation have a program called uh

2401
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:33,280
water source protection. And what it is they like to work with municipalities

2402
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,239
um to find ways to protect our water

2403
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:39,360
sources. And

2404
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,360
you work with them to come up with a

2405
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,400
plan that the primary focus is to look

2406
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,719
for the things that are your contaminant

2407
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,520
potential contaminants of water.

2408
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,239
And um

2409
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,080
we've been at this for a while. We

2410
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,679
finally have a finalized report. right

2411
01:42:55,679 --> 01:42:59,360
now at this maybe 3 years um to give a

2412
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,159
finalized report and and the the benefit

2413
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,400
of this finalized report is now the town

2414
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,159
of Red Oak has access to certain uh

2415
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:13,600
state assets. um not just grants but um

2416
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,080
they have staff that help do certain

2417
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:21,199
things and um they make certain um

2418
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:22,560
certain things available to the

2419
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,280
municipalities that have this this plan

2420
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,040
and I don't want to get too much because

2421
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,920
the plans are really long. Um, but I

2422
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,960
think what's important is in the plan

2423
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,199
and it goes to what we just voted on

2424
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:38,239
regarding the CPF fund acquisition of

2425
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,000
those parcels,

2426
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,880
there's a in the plan, it's made of part

2427
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:44,560
of the public document, there's a series

2428
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,600
of maps and there's a map that has a

2429
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,760
list of parcels that the state has

2430
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,880
determined would be ideal for the town

2431
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,639
to acquire to protect the water for the

2432
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,280
town. And most of those parcels sort of

2433
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,920
reside along the Sill Creek, which is a

2434
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,440
major water source for the town. And

2435
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,360
they didn't know at the time that they

2436
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,280
finalize this cuz it has to go to State

2437
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,280
Department, state, everybody else. We

2438
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,920
had just uh uh done the acquisition or

2439
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:17,520
the easement on the uh Camp Rising Sun.

2440
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,239
And um they were very pleased to hear

2441
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:23,280
when we had the final meeting to to I

2442
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,239
guess adopt this this plan. They were

2443
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:28,080
unaware that a mile and a half of the

2444
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,920
sockill and that was one of their big

2445
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,199
parcels had been protected. Uh there's

2446
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:34,880
another one next to it and a few others

2447
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,800
on the other side that go more

2448
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,719
downstream I believe. And then there's a

2449
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:40,960
list of other other properties. So,

2450
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,159
they're very very much um supportive of

2451
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,960
any action that we take to help protect

2452
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,000
our water source. The other big one is

2453
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,320
potential sources of contamination,

2454
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,040
whether they be oil depots, uh salt

2455
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,520
sheds, whatever they are. So, they have

2456
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,520
another map that has all of those

2457
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,000
throughout the town, um and the

2458
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:06,400
villages. And so, the now that we have

2459
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:10,159
the report done, it's been approved. Um

2460
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,960
the next step is really the next steps

2461
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,400
are to implement the plan and some of

2462
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,119
the implementation we already did by the

2463
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,440
camp rising sun uh easement acquisition

2464
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,480
with was

2465
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:23,440
>> we haven't closed yet

2466
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:25,360
>> we haven't closed but that's I mean that

2467
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,080
was really they were very uh surprised

2468
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,920
by that they didn't know that that had

2469
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:31,760
happened uh because it's one of the

2470
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,360
biggest parcels they said that we need

2471
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,679
to protect. Um but there are many others

2472
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,159
and then there's issues related to how

2473
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:41,440
we deal with our salt for the water uh

2474
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,280
you know brining the roads a variety of

2475
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:47,360
things and so the next steps for this

2476
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,800
process if you will is to the implement

2477
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,000
the things that are um that are on the

2478
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,520
plan and I'll just go real quick there

2479
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,800
are five goals one is to foster inter uh

2480
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,239
community discussion and promote

2481
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:01,760
collaborative partnerships among the

2482
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,840
communities water systems and water

2483
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,239
users users uh promote equitable,

2484
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:08,400
sustainable, and climate resistant

2485
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,000
development in Red Hook that preserves

2486
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,719
the area's unique aggregant history and

2487
01:46:12,719 --> 01:46:16,080
character. Evaluate pres uh evaluate

2488
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,719
present and future land use to minimize

2489
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:20,400
threats to existing and prospective

2490
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,320
drinking water sources through proactive

2491
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,119
zoning and other measures. Engage and

2492
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:26,960
educate communities, water systems, and

2493
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,800
water users about drinking water sources

2494
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,119
and source protection. And lastly,

2495
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:33,199
pursue funding opportunities to increase

2496
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:35,840
water supply and treatment reliability,

2497
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,560
including s uh source water and

2498
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,760
conservation easement acquisition. Um,

2499
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,960
and so they were unaware that we're in

2500
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,960
the getting in the late stages of our

2501
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:50,960
community uh the comp plan. And so that

2502
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,199
is that falls into one of these goals.

2503
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:56,719
So we in many ways have have been

2504
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:59,360
without even having this plan doing many

2505
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:00,880
of the things that the state is very

2506
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,440
supportive of. The the bonus here is

2507
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:05,920
they can help us uh with certain

2508
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,040
resources, certain assets potential uh

2509
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:10,560
makes us more competitive for certain

2510
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,320
kind of grants and um and this will be

2511
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,960
the roadmap for you know the foreseeable

2512
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,639
future on how the town uh goes about

2513
01:47:20,639 --> 01:47:22,719
trying to preserve what is really

2514
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:25,119
outstanding quality water. Whether it's

2515
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:27,280
in our water district from our wells or

2516
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,000
even all of us who have our own wells.

2517
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,080
Uh we have really excellent water. We

2518
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,000
have a really excellent group of

2519
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,840
aquafers. They often come go down

2520
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,080
towards the river. And the sewer is

2521
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,320
another one of those. Uh I know it's

2522
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:42,080
counterintuitive for people to think of

2523
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,320
a sewer as protecting your water, but it

2524
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,320
really is one of the best ways to keep

2525
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,040
your water safe. And as they discovered

2526
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,639
in the village as they started putting

2527
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:53,199
in their sept their their sewer system

2528
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:56,000
there were um septic systems private

2529
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,600
ones that were on the verge of

2530
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,440
catastrophic failure which would have

2531
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,239
polluted our water. So in many ways

2532
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,239
we've been way ahead of the curve and

2533
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,960
now this is just a validation of that

2534
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,040
and more support and more help for the

2535
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,639
town in the future. That's it.

2536
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:23,669
Okay. Um,

2537
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:25,440
» public comment.

2538
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:27,199
>> Did you want Well, you're you're a part

2539
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:29,920
of this. You're a part of this effort.

2540
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,159
>> I was on the committee with Bill and um

2541
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:33,600
it was a it was a very interesting

2542
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,920
process. The uh people from the DC were

2543
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,560
very capable. um really knew their stuff

2544
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,880
and um it's one of the important uh

2545
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,320
>> you could speak up a little bit.

2546
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,560
>> One of the important um effects of

2547
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,239
accepting this plan and implementing it

2548
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:50,000
is that we we have basically have

2549
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,159
consultants that aren't going to cost us

2550
01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:52,719
anything.

2551
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:53,280
>> Right.

2552
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,040
And who know who and don't have

2553
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,880
to be brought up to speed because they

2554
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,280
know what's already going on. So, uh I

2555
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,440
think that in itself makes the the whole

2556
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:05,840
process really valuable. But um it was interesting because while we were

2557
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,080
doing it, we kept while we were in the

2558
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,400
process of evaluating what the water was

2559
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:11,679
and what needed to be preserved and

2560
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,360
stuff. We were also in the process of

2561
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:13,920
doing it.

2562
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:14,480
>> Right.

2563
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:17,520
Which I think was um uh uh we

2564
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:18,800
were kind of a step ahead of them the

2565
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,560
whole time, which is unusual for most

2566
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:21,760
towns, I think.

2567
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,040
>> Right.

2568
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,080
>> And it's surprised that

2569
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,239
just a few.

2570
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,760
Excuse me. I'll go to the mic. Uh, I

2571
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,760
think it's a wonderful plan. It's very

2572
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:38,560
comprehensive. It's so comprehensive it really is hard to kind of really get

2573
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,520
in there to the nitty-gritty. And in any

2574
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,920
plan as comprehensive as that, I do

2575
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:45,520
think there are some odds and ends that

2576
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,639
I could really argue with in and there's

2577
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:51,360
a few inconsistencies in there. Nothing

2578
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:52,719
that that I think is a particular

2579
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,480
concern. I'll give you one one example

2580
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:57,760
for uh one part of the document talks

2581
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,280
about uh uh um land that should be

2582
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,199
acquired because it's along a major

2583
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:05,520
tributary and then other times they just

2584
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,600
talk about land to be acquired along a

2585
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,760
tributary and I think there needs to be

2586
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,560
some clarification as to whether or not

2587
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,400
you're going to look at lands on every

2588
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,199
single creek uh and stream uh in the

2589
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:20,719
sock watershed or the defined major

2590
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,800
tributaries along the sockill

2591
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,719
uh I don't think I I will uh say that

2592
01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:28,960
the

2593
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:30,639
part that we're involvement with the

2594
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:33,760
sawill is really to advocate for the

2595
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,960
watershed uh and not any individual

2596
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,600
properties within that. Uh we're looking

2597
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,480
at the whole entire watershed and the

2598
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:44,800
need the continu I can't stress enough

2599
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:48,080
the continued need for information and

2600
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:51,280
data to base things on. Uh and as we

2601
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,440
stand here now, the data collection

2602
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:55,840
process uh you know because of the

2603
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,400
relationship we've had with Bard is in

2604
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,560
the future is not necessarily going to

2605
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:04,080
be uh there for us uh that we implore

2606
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,639
the town to keep an open mind and in

2607
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,800
terms of what it's really going to mean

2608
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,760
to continue to collect reliable data

2609
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,000
throughout the whole wershed and it is

2610
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,600
going to take some uh financial

2611
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,080
resources and I was pleased to see that

2612
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,080
though there are financial resources is

2613
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,239
in the plan. Uh I think we might need a

2614
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,159
little bit more than that, but but

2615
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:26,000
everybody's going going to say the same

2616
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,520
thing.

2617
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:32,550
>> Yeah. Uh I you know, as an individual

2618
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,400
watershed community for a minute, it but

2619
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,560
just as a regular community member, you

2620
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,199
know, I do have a general concern about,

2621
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:41,599
you know, how do you go about uh

2622
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:44,320
acquiring property? What is the process

2623
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,800
for that? uh you know we we we had a lot

2624
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,119
of discussion tonight about acquiring

2625
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,280
property. What does acquiring mean and

2626
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,520
where does it go and what is the process

2627
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,679
and who's involved in that process. I

2628
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:58,320
think particularly today uh that's going

2629
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,560
to be a real key uh if this is going to

2630
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,719
be successful and folks are really going

2631
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,639
to be on board with it. I do need to

2632
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:06,719
think it has to be in a very very above

2633
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:09,679
board process. Uh and and the broader uh

2634
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,520
constituency you can get involved in

2635
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,440
that the the better it's going to be all

2636
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:14,960
around. But I think it's really a

2637
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,360
wonderful report. Implementation of it

2638
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,400
is going to be huge. Uh and you know

2639
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,880
we're here with the SA wershed community

2640
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,520
to say we're we're here to support that.

2641
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,840
Okay. Thank you. If

2642
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:32,320
>> I can just add one quick thing. Um just

2643
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,239
something for all of us to keep in mind

2644
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:37,360
going forward. Uh the accumulated data

2645
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,360
we have on the water temperature in the

2646
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,000
sal indicates that it is now half a

2647
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,520
degree warmer than it was 10 years ago.

2648
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:45,920
Okay.

2649
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,840
>> This is a direct result of climate

2650
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,159
change and uh it has serious

2651
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:52,800
implications for

2652
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,719
the future in terms of what we put into

2653
01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:57,599
the water and uh what we get out of it.

2654
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:00,320
and uh things like requiring the water

2655
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,040
district parcels uh to uh for for

2656
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:04,800
wetland protection become increasingly

2657
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,709
important as we go forward.

2658
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:12,320
» Great. Thank you. Um

2659
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,719
I I would just add you talked about

2660
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:16,960
acquisition. One of the nice things

2661
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,199
about this is this is really a small

2662
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:21,280
subset of the community preservation

2663
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,040
plan. There's something in the

2664
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,280
neighborhood of,300 parcels in that

2665
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,760
plan. all are eligible for acquisition

2666
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,360
and it talks about all the different

2667
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:30,960
>> but if I'm one of the parcels that

2668
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,360
that's being called out to be acquired

2669
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,360
uh you know uh what's going to happen

2670
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,040
when you knock on the door and say we

2671
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:38,239
want to acquire your property

2672
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:39,920
>> Sure. Sure.

2673
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:41,199
>> When is that going to happen?

2674
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:42,159
>> Yeah.

2675
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:43,920
So I mean

2676
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:45,760
>> and what does it mean to acquire

2677
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:46,239
property?

2678
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:49,599
>> Well, exactly. Um, so there are a bundle

2679
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:51,520
of property rights and often times

2680
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,320
you're you're looking at in these cases

2681
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,480
easements, conservation easements to

2682
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:00,000
protect the uh resource. Um, for

2683
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,639
example, uh, Bill referenced Camp Rising

2684
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:04,560
Sun, which hopefully we'll be closing on

2685
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,760
in the next couple of months. Um, that's

2686
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,239
a state water quality improvement uh,

2687
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:12,719
program grant funding. Winnipeg Land

2688
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:14,800
Trust are partnered with that. That's

2689
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,480
number 15 here. Um, and so you can see

2690
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:21,440
just the length of the soft field right

2691
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:25,520
here and just how how protective it is.

2692
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:26,880
And by the way, since we're talking

2693
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,960
about camper rising sun, if you haven't

2694
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,400
been to the pool, go to the pool and

2695
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:31,920
walk the grassy trails. They're

2696
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,760
available. They've opened them up early

2697
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:37,040
for the public to see and enjoy. Um, but

2698
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,119
like here's a here's a parcel that has

2699
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,119
recently sold within the last couple of

2700
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:43,040
years. And so what we might do as an

2701
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,639
outreach and just say, "Hey, look, there

2702
01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:48,239
are these volunteer voluntary programs

2703
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,560
um available. This this one actually

2704
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,119
has, you know, really good agricultural

2705
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:56,400
resources and has been a farm for um

2706
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:01,040
generations. Um so, yeah, there was a a

2707
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,159
very extensive process to reduce the

2708
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:07,599
targeted, if you will, um parcels if

2709
01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:10,320
you're trying to maximize protection

2710
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:13,840
along the salt kill. And as you can see,

2711
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,000
um, it's really very efficient to

2712
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:20,719
>> and it's tributaries. I think that's key. What what constitutes it

2713
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:22,560
again again part of the document talks

2714
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:24,719
about major tributaries and then names

2715
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:26,800
them and then some of the parcels are

2716
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,040
not along those tributaries. They're

2717
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,119
along unnamed tributaries. Sure. Sure.

2718
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:33,040
>> We've identified at least 11

2719
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:34,480
tributaries.

2720
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,400
>> Fortunately, we have partners in Winni

2721
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,159
Land Trust and Scenic, you know, with

2722
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:40,080
these, you know, Duchess Land Conser. We

2723
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,679
have partners uh who share the same

2724
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:45,599
>> Yeah. I mean they share the same goals

2725
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:49,520
and agenda um and have helped us you

2726
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:53,920
know lot that that 15 is is huge. Um and

2727
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,119
so you know the hope is that over time

2728
01:55:57,119 --> 01:56:00,000
that some of these other parcels that

2729
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,960
the owners of those parcels

2730
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,520
uh might we might be able to sell the

2731
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,199
purchase easements rights or other

2732
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:08,960
things so that the

2733
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,320
>> just be careful with the with the

2734
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,639
concept of acquiring property.

2735
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:14,239
>> Yeah. Well, there's the physical

2736
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:15,520
property and then there's the easement,

2737
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,599
right?

2738
01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:18,639
>> An important distinction.

2739
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:19,280
>> Yeah.

2740
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,520
>> The uh stream along through the rising

2741
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,199
sun is just beautiful

2742
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:24,320
>> through the

2743
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,880
>> rising sun. I mean, if you get a chance

2744
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,360
to go look at it, it's it's just

2745
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:31,440
>> it's what it should be. You know,

2746
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:36,159
>> this this section here I know very well.

2747
01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:38,000
>> This is part of our farm

2748
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,199
>> and that's under and that's underneath.

2749
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,280
We've left it available to become a

2750
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:47,280
trail in the future of passing trip that

2751
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,360
section. So that's also covered.

2752
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,599
>> And I didn't see a definition in there.

2753
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:54,880
Uh however, and this may be a common

2754
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:58,000
legal term, cultivated land. What is

2755
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:01,840
meant by cultivated land? Right.

2756
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,119
Well, well,

2757
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:07,119
>> I know what a dictionary definition is,

2758
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:09,679
but there might be a legal definition

2759
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,679
because if you you look at the legal

2760
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:17,199
definition, it means I mean not the the literary definition. I mean any land

2761
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:21,119
that's been used

2762
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:22,400
for farming, right?

2763
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,639
>> But there's a lot more properties in our

2764
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:26,320
town

2765
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,239
that are not included to be acquired

2766
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:29,679
that would fall under that. There's also

2767
01:57:29,679 --> 01:57:31,920
a lot of land that was at one time used

2768
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,639
for farming is still considered

2769
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:37,199
agricultural by the county um but is not

2770
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:38,639
currently being farmed.

2771
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:39,440
>> Okay.

2772
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,520
>> So, um then just

2773
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,199
>> what's the process going forward with

2774
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:45,280
CDC on this? I mean, do we have like a

2775
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,199
schedule of meetings of some sort? just

2776
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:47,520
do.

2777
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:50,400
>> Well, we try to work with Michael um at

2778
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,960
Department of Health to schedule some

2779
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:54,000
like I think

2780
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,760
>> regular meetings but we're going to

2781
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:57,599
have a we're going to schedule I guess a

2782
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,000
kickoff or an implementation meeting

2783
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:03,599
>> to kind of go over the things that were

2784
01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:05,760
done that they were unaware of as the

2785
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,320
plan was being finalized and then

2786
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:11,599
perhaps prioritize

2787
01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:14,000
what we think are the things that are,

2788
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,800
you know, achievable. uh short-term,

2789
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,800
medium-term, long-term, and I don't even

2790
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,960
know what long-term means in this

2791
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,679
context cuz I I'm certain it's a

2792
01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:26,400
multi-year process, many multi-year

2793
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,719
process, but the idea is to set things

2794
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:32,080
in motion in a way so that, you know,

2795
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,960
future leaders can pick up where we left

2796
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:38,000
off and continue that process uh without

2797
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,639
too much interruption. Well, we we were

2798
01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:43,679
uh we wanted to have a uh to sponsor a

2799
01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:46,400
community meeting to present the report.

2800
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:47,440
>> Oh.

2801
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:51,430
>> Uh and bring in Michael

2802
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:52,880
thought about that, but I think that's a

2803
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:53,520
good idea.

2804
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,880
>> Yeah. So, uh uh have water community

2805
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,360
sponsor that. One suggestion is that to

2806
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:00,639
the extent that we've been having

2807
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:02,480
community meetings regarding the comp

2808
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,280
plan and this really in many ways is a

2809
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:06,719
subset of that. Yeah.

2810
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,880
>> Uh or help will help inform the comp

2811
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,440
plan. Maybe that's an opportunity we can

2812
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,320
speak to Julia Solomon um at the next

2813
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:15,920
>> Well, they've reached out the comp plan

2814
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:16,880
has already reached out.

2815
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:17,920
>> They have. Yeah.

2816
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:19,679
>> Okay, great. and then maybe that's an

2817
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:23,520
opportunity to present this and um and

2818
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,960
talk about it and where we are

2819
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:31,040
is it really is a a comp plan.

2820
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,480
>> Yeah. I mean when we we held a a kitchen

2821
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:36,320
table conversation we had some meetings.

2822
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,560
>> Okay.

2823
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:41,599
>> That was very much.

2824
01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:42,320
>> Thank you.

2825
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:45,599
>> So has there been uh testing of the

2826
01:59:45,599 --> 01:59:47,199
water along the sill?

2827
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:50,950
>> Yes.

2828
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,639
Where where are the results? Well, we we

2829
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:55,599
are not in here.

2830
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:58,000
>> No, no, no. There if you'd like to see

2831
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:02,639
the um the the long decades long series

2832
02:00:02,639 --> 02:00:05,280
of water testing results, you can go to

2833
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:06,880
the Salt Hill Waterershed Community

2834
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:08,080
website.

2835
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:10,639
>> Well, we pres we presented the we we we

2836
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:12,800
have been doing testing for how many

2837
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,400
years now?

2838
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,800
and mo mostly through BART and the the

2839
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,159
data. Okay. The the the the testing that

2840
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:23,840
we did in 2025, we presented a report to

2841
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,679
the town uh and that was made public in

2842
02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:31,040
July of 2025. It was I believe post and

2843
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,360
I believe it's on the town website also.

2844
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,360
In addition to that, we submitted a

2845
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:38,560
summary executive report in October of

2846
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:42,080
2025. Okay. That's much that really

2847
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,480
focuses in and I would encourage every

2848
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,880
board admit I'm surpris I'm disappointed

2849
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:48,960
the board hasn't read that about you got

2850
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:51,199
nothing else FROM COVER TO COVER. OKAY.

2851
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,119
But I think you know Ken the data is

2852
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,280
there. The the concern I was talking

2853
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,520
about at the microphone though is, you

2854
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,199
know, are we going to be able to

2855
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:01,679
continue collecting the data and having

2856
02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:04,960
the data analyzed, especially since the

2857
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:06,880
support we've gotten in the past from

2858
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:10,560
BARD may not be there as much as it has

2859
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:11,199
in the past.

2860
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:13,520
>> And how many locations on the

2861
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,520
>> well like a dozen?

2862
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:19,760
>> Well, not on the no on sulus 15. And in

2863
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,679
addition to that, for the first time

2864
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:24,480
last year, we included two sites on the

2865
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:28,000
Stony Hill. Uh because that is part of

2866
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,040
the town. Uh so we we expanded it last

2867
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,920
year. But the historical data goes back,

2868
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,719
you know, decades to tell you the truth.

2869
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:38,960
>> And in addition to that, excuse Bard

2870
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:42,560
published a released a database where

2871
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,199
any citizen can go in and and access

2872
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:46,239
that data.

2873
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:47,360
>> Yeah. Online.

2874
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:48,960
>> Online. Yeah. and that that you can

2875
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:50,719
access that there's a portal for that on

2876
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:52,239
our website.

2877
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:56,159
>> But u the the the long series of data

2878
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,719
that goes back for more than 20 years uh

2879
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:01,119
is why we know that the average

2880
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:04,719
temperature on the on the

2881
02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:05,920
>> and that has you know serious

2882
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:09,520
implications for flooding and um

2883
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,800
wetlands and drinking water

2884
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,840
and just all sorts of bad stuff.

2885
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,080
>> Well, thank you. And the data the data

2886
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:19,679
collection has not only been through

2887
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:22,239
with BR students but it's been community

2888
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:24,400
volunteers also including how a lot of

2889
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:25,679
the high school students have gotten

2890
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:28,000
involved.

2891
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,199
>> Great.

2892
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:30,080
>> Thank you so much.

2893
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:31,280
>> Great.

2894
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:32,480
>> Okay.

2895
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:36,320
>> Can we start spending the money?

2896
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,560
>> We'll hear more about implementation.

2897
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:39,199
>> Okay.

2898
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:40,480
>> Well, we would love to be part of that

2899
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:43,440
processing too. Absolutely. Terrific.

2900
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:43,920
>> Thank you.

2901
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:44,239
>> Okay.

2902
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:46,000
>> All right you guys. Thank you so much.

2903
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:50,790
Thanks. Have a good night.

2904
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:52,960
» We're sorry.

2905
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,880
>> We jumped your line.

2906
02:02:54,880 --> 02:03:00,149
>> Whatever it is.

2907
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:01,760
» Um

2908
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:06,080
I I did in rushing to get ready. I think

2909
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:09,599
I printed out a copy of your latest

2910
02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:14,149
edition. I think it came today

2911
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:16,639
somewhere. Anyway, come talk to us.

2912
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:18,480
>> Sure. Um, I also just want to be

2913
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:19,840
respectful of the time.

2914
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:23,760
>> Yeah.

2915
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:24,560
>> Um,

2916
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:25,440
>> thank you.

2917
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:28,159
>> So, I'll always I'll have this little

2918
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,800
spiel, you know,

2919
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:32,800
for a while.

2920
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,800
Red Hook Housing Committee, we're about

2921
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:39,040
5 years old. Um, we've spent those five

2922
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:42,560
years, you know, researching solutions

2923
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,920
to both create and preserve affordable

2924
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:50,960
housing in the town. Um,

2925
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,760
that that time has been spent both a

2926
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:55,520
little bit of research, a little bit of

2927
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,280
self-coralysis.

2928
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,159
We're doing our best. hopefully in a new

2929
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,920
era now in which we are trying to pivot

2930
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:09,360
toward storytelling for you all. Um, and

2931
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:10,880
the proposal that you received in the

2932
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,760
packet prior to tonight's meeting uh is

2933
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,800
the second of that sprint or marathon.

2934
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,159
I'm not exactly sure what the metaphor

2935
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:21,280
is. Um, and it refers to a good cause

2936
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:23,440
fiction. Uh there is a New York state

2937
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:27,520
good cause eviction law um that

2938
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:30,639
puts some parameters on uh reasons for

2939
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:34,159
eviction among fair market value ren

2940
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:38,080
fair market value renters. Um this is

2941
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:41,599
does not apply to subsidized or

2942
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:43,360
otherwise affordable housing you know

2943
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,679
formally affordable housing. It does not

2944
02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:48,480
apply to super high-end luxury housing.

2945
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,480
There is actually a cap on fair market

2946
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,440
value. Um and the state law was written

2947
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:57,040
in a way that uh communities like ours

2948
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,800
have to opt into it. Um while the state

2949
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:02,960
law has a lot of parameters already

2950
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,599
built into it, it actually extends more

2951
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:06,960
selection of parameters to the

2952
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:10,639
communities that do optin um such as the

2953
02:05:10,639 --> 02:05:14,080
that fair market value cap um as high as

2954
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:17,840
345% fair market value. It allows opt

2955
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:24,800
optin communities to determine um the scope of of of a landlord's real

2956
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:27,760
estate portfolio. Um how big or small it

2957
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:32,400
can be. So there are uh so the housing

2958
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:35,119
committee is suggesting or recommending

2959
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:37,040
that we are one of those optin

2960
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,920
communities and the parameters that are

2961
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,320
available to us you are included in our

2962
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:45,599
proposal. the highest fair market cap of

2963
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:47,280
345%.

2964
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:50,000
Um to protect the widest swath of

2965
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:54,480
renters. Um even those who are maybe

2966
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,880
nominally in the luxury market they they

2967
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:00,800
deserve protection too. Um the proposal

2968
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:04,159
also defines uh the size of the

2969
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:07,520
portfolio and it's we have defined it as

2970
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:11,599
rather small um as of because it there

2971
02:06:11,599 --> 02:06:15,679
is some uh

2972
02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:22,159
fields experience that suggests that the smaller the portfolio the the

2973
02:06:22,159 --> 02:06:25,440
less likely a person can establish

2974
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,560
multiple LLC's by which they

2975
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:29,440
through, you know, through which they

2976
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,159
can sort of surreptitiously

2977
02:06:32,159 --> 02:06:33,679
own multiple properties

2978
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:35,280
>> and and avoid the application of the

2979
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:37,280
good cause of law to their portfolio.

2980
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:37,679
>> Yes.

2981
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:38,079
>> Yeah.

2982
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:38,400
>> Um

2983
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:39,599
>> it's not limiting the amount of property

2984
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:40,960
somebody can own, it's whether this law

2985
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:42,960
applies to what they own.

2986
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:46,320
>> Uh and as you'll see, the you know, the

2987
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:47,440
more times I stand up at this

2988
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:49,760
microphone, the more out of my depth I

2989
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,560
will become because you can only become

2990
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,880
so fluent in affordable housing

2991
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,880
strategies over a short period of time.

2992
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:59,599
Um, so thank you for having my back

2993
02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:03,760
there, Jacob. Um, and you happy to

2994
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,280
field, you know, whatever questions you

2995
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:07,040
have about it, you know, within my

2996
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:09,760
abilities. Um, but I think that, you

2997
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,000
know, this proposal is, you know, has

2998
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:14,159
the the depth and detail, you know, that

2999
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:17,119
the previous one did. um I think is a

3000
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:19,440
nice nice counterpoint to the home share

3001
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:22,000
proposal you know because uh whereas

3002
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:24,560
homeshare is you know refers to the

3003
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:26,079
development

3004
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:28,400
of affordable housing opportunities it's

3005
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:30,960
really just you know maximizing the

3006
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:32,400
opportunities that were already our

3007
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:37,599
midst is about preserving you know the housing of folks who are already

3008
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:41,119
here um so one is about development the

3009
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:43,360
one is the other is about stabilization

3010
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,440
however I did actually want to take a a

3011
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:48,239
little bit of a detour um from this

3012
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:50,960
because uh as Jacob mentioned to you in

3013
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:52,960
an email this evening, we've just

3014
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:57,840
roughed out another proposal. And of the

3015
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,000
three, you know, that are now before

3016
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,480
you, this third proposal is actually

3017
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:04,880
more timesensitive than the other two.

3018
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:10,320
Um good cause eviction, you know, can happen at any time. Home share could

3019
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:12,000
happen at any time. Ideally, it happens

3020
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,960
at the pace of our conscience. Um,

3021
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,199
however, this third proposal, you know,

3022
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:20,079
is is time-sensitive because it has to

3023
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:23,199
do with emergency housing in wintertime.

3024
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:25,040
Um,

3025
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:28,159
emergency housing experiences of of

3026
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:30,639
homelessness, it's not exactly something

3027
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:33,440
that we had wanted to take on over the

3028
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:36,000
course of this committee's 5 years. Um,

3029
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:40,239
it is a gnarly systemic problem. You

3030
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:41,840
know, when you think about people who

3031
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:44,159
are experiencing homelessness, you often

3032
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:46,880
need to think about wraparound services.

3033
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,040
It was just bigger than the committee

3034
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,440
thought itself capable of grasping. It

3035
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:52,880
didn't really feel like it was in our

3036
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:56,079
within our remit. Um, but over these

3037
02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:58,719
years, we have been visited by residents

3038
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,960
like Charlie Rubin. Um, we have been,

3039
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:04,079
you know, we have heard about the

3040
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:06,480
efforts of Red Hook together. Um, and

3041
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,159
we've also had members who have joined

3042
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:12,159
the committee, you know, with an eye to

3043
02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:15,040
the both visible and invisibly unhoused

3044
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:19,440
populations of Red Hook. And so, um, you

3045
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:22,480
know, we felt compelled to to, uh,

3046
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,400
participate in this dialogue, you know,

3047
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:26,079
however much it doesn't necessarily feel

3048
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:28,639
like it's in our wheelhouse. And so the

3049
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:30,960
proposal that is not in your packet but

3050
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,719
you know just circulated by email this

3051
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:35,280
evening actually you know tries to touch

3052
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:39,520
at that um it is just in full

3053
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,199
transparency

3054
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:43,280
um whereas the first two proposals are

3055
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,520
lowhanging fruit you know we have a

3056
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,760
state law we have a olster county

3057
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,000
precedent you know for both you good

3058
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,360
cause eviction and home share

3059
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:56,800
respectively what we are proposing here

3060
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:58,400
it's a

3061
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:00,800
You know, you see things happening in

3062
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:03,040
Burlington, Vermont. You see things

3063
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:05,440
happening, you know, in Kingston. You

3064
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:07,280
see, you know, cosmopolitan communities

3065
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:11,520
that have our climate. And so um but

3066
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:14,800
this is you know I think that because

3067
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,880
the precedents are fewer because our

3068
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:19,920
climate is more extreme than like places

3069
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:22,719
like California that are thinking about

3070
02:10:22,719 --> 02:10:24,880
you know emergency housing and housing

3071
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,400
stabilization

3072
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:29,679
you know in nicer weather. Um we don't

3073
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:31,119
have too much to build upon

3074
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:34,239
incrementally. So, like I said, in the

3075
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:36,239
spirit of transparency, I feel like this

3076
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:38,560
proposal that was just emailed to you

3077
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:42,239
maybe the least resolved of the three.

3078
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:44,320
Um,

3079
02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:46,239
you also I think also it was least

3080
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:49,360
resolved because we were avoiding it for

3081
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:52,400
a lot of our history. Um, but it is it

3082
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,400
does feel like the most urgent. You

3083
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:56,719
know, we we did have a warming center

3084
02:10:56,719 --> 02:10:59,360
two winters ago. the warming center, you

3085
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,639
know, did not materialize last winter.

3086
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:04,880
Our one of our members, Cat Viega, you

3087
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,040
know, has talked repeatedly about

3088
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:08,480
knowing two people who have died of

3089
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:13,920
exposure. Um, and so, uh, you know, it

3090
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,079
just felt

3091
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,239
moral like the morally responsible thing

3092
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:21,360
to do is to is was to share this

3093
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:24,639
storytelling with you, you know, however

3094
02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:29,440
uncrystallized it is. Um, so you know,

3095
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:31,360
if you have to, you know, I know you

3096
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:33,760
have very full plates, but if you had

3097
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:34,800
the pri, you know, if you could

3098
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:36,719
prioritize one of these three proposals

3099
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:39,760
for brainstorming and outreach, um, it

3100
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:42,320
would be this one. Um, we at your

3101
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:44,960
disposal to you continue workshopping

3102
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:49,199
ideas and making connections. Um, and I

3103
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:52,239
will say that, you know, the word

3104
02:11:52,239 --> 02:11:54,480
continuum is coming up a lot in in the

3105
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,400
housing committee's conversations. You

3106
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,000
know, a continuum of housing

3107
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:00,480
preservation to housing development, a

3108
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,639
continuum of a person who needs

3109
02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:06,000
emergency housing to the person who

3110
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:09,040
maybe, you know, one medical bill away

3111
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,520
from being housing insecure to folks

3112
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,920
like me who just, you know, are always

3113
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:16,800
nervous about paying the mortgage. um

3114
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,400
you know there's it's just a continuum

3115
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,440
of of security and insecurity. So you

3116
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:25,360
know this third proposal you know

3117
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:28,320
dovetales into that continuum. Um but

3118
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,320
because it is at the most urgent end of

3119
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:32,400
the continuum it does seem like it

3120
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:38,470
should be the most urgent one for us to brainstorm about.

3121
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:39,360
» Thank you. Um

3122
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:40,800
>> thank you.

3123
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:41,920
>> I have a question.

3124
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,040
>> Yeah, of course.

3125
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:45,280
Um

3126
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:48,159
when the state passed the law,

3127
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:51,280
>> what are you on? Good. good cause.

3128
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:52,239
>> Yeah. Sorry. Lot of

3129
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:53,599
>> Did they did they do what they did with

3130
02:12:53,599 --> 02:12:55,280
cannabis which says if you opt in, you

3131
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,599
can never opt out.

3132
02:12:57,599 --> 02:13:01,840
>> And I asked that because um

3133
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,320
you know when I and I very much

3134
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:08,639
appreciate getting the list of all the optins in in the area. It's very

3135
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:11,360
helpful. But what I noticed was most of

3136
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:13,599
them were either cities or much larger

3137
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:15,440
communities than ours. I'm not saying

3138
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:16,960
we're not a large community. We're in

3139
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:20,960
that sort of weird sweet spot. Um,

3140
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:22,560
and

3141
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:25,440
you know, I I want to make sure that we

3142
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:28,000
don't commit to something. and when the

3143
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,760
cannabis thing happened, you know,

3144
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,119
notwithstanding the fact it's still a

3145
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:33,280
federal crime, which was my main reason

3146
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,280
for voting against it. But the other

3147
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:39,440
reason was the state had not um they

3148
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:41,040
were very far from completing their

3149
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:44,159
regulations and implementing a program.

3150
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:47,360
And I had uh serious reservations which

3151
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:50,000
were proven over time that it took them

3152
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,400
a long time to figure out how to get to

3153
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,400
where they wanted to really be. And I

3154
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,400
wasn't happy

3155
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:58,719
proving something that you're stuck with

3156
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:00,560
forever

3157
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,639
when you don't. It's like driving blind

3158
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:05,040
really. And so I want to make sure I

3159
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,199
mean I I think this is very important

3160
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:08,880
and I also think it's a part of our comp

3161
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:10,719
plan, you know, I mean this is this is

3162
02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:13,040
long-term stuff, but I want to make sure

3163
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,400
that that what we're being asked to do

3164
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:19,040
is not something that we can't undo.

3165
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. An escape hatch, right?

3166
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:26,239
Sometimes we, you know, act with

3167
02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:28,320
the best interests, good faith, as much

3168
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:29,920
information as we have and then s, you

3169
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,800
know, the uh what what what does

3170
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,639
Ramshield called? What did he call it?

3171
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:38,320
The unknown knowns or the known whatever

3172
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:43,119
one of those. Um, so yes, I mean, you're absolutely right that there are

3173
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:45,840
unknown unknowns. Um, and

3174
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:48,159
>> why are we borrowing something that we

3175
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:50,079
don't know everything about? Can I may I

3176
02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:53,040
make you the promise of um reading the

3177
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,880
state law and then

3178
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:56,560
>> that would be great responding to Jacob.

3179
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,320
>> Yeah, I mean it should it should be in

3180
02:14:58,320 --> 02:14:59,599
there somewhere.

3181
02:14:59,599 --> 02:15:00,719
>> Um

3182
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:03,599
>> but it would just be helpful to know

3183
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:05,599
>> what we're committing ourselves to.

3184
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:06,239
>> Yeah.

3185
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:06,960
>> Um

3186
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,719
>> most of our proposals, you know, have

3187
02:15:08,719 --> 02:15:12,560
come with some kind of re uh you know

3188
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,800
retrospective review at the end of a

3189
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:16,560
period like two years. are not I can't

3190
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,560
remember if that text is in the good

3191
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:22,880
cause eviction proposal per se. Um but

3192
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:26,079
either you

3193
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:27,199
well we'll have to see what the state

3194
02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:29,760
law says right because if there is no

3195
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:33,520
opt out in the state law but we codify

3196
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:37,119
an opt out then once your council sends

3197
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:38,960
it to the state there's going to be a

3198
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:40,480
little disconnect that you know that

3199
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:41,520
makes

3200
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:43,840
>> that makes authorization a little funky.

3201
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,840
So, so let's start with this reading the

3202
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:47,280
state law and we'll take it from there.

3203
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:48,639
>> I think the risks here are different

3204
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:51,679
from cannabis sale or consumption sites

3205
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:54,719
as far as like whether you undo like

3206
02:15:54,719 --> 02:15:58,079
protections for renters versus

3207
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:00,480
>> but there are economic consequences uh

3208
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:04,800
for this. Um and you know the other

3209
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:09,360
thing that I saw was you know

3210
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,079
the issue of agriculture and far and

3211
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,560
housing for people who work in farms and

3212
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,679
Kenny can speak to this but you know I

3213
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:20,400
didn't I tried to delve into what was

3214
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:22,400
provided previously

3215
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:26,079
and I didn't see anything that

3216
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,159
I'm not saying there should be a car but

3217
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,480
there should be some acknowledgement

3218
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,800
that it's a different kind of

3219
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:35,760
population. Um, and like my wife's

3220
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:39,679
family are farmers in Oregon and they

3221
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:43,040
provide housing for families who work,

3222
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:44,559
you know, they're not seasonal workers.

3223
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:46,880
They're they work full-time on the farm

3224
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:49,359
and they have for generations actually.

3225
02:16:49,359 --> 02:16:53,280
And so I I want to I there it's a it's a

3226
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,280
piece of a conversation that I don't I'm

3227
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:58,559
not sure has been had or raised. to

3228
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:00,399
those seasonal workers or even year

3229
02:17:00,399 --> 02:17:03,280
round workers. Are they saw market value

3230
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:03,760
renters?

3231
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:05,200
>> I saw the thing about seasonal but I

3232
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:06,960
didn't see anything about year round and

3233
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:08,719
we are

3234
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:10,639
>> we should continue to be an agricultural

3235
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:13,200
town. So there there just some things,

3236
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:16,639
you know, that kind of when I saw it, um

3237
02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:20,399
I there were questions that came up and I think your timing is actually kind

3238
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:23,120
of excellent cuz we are on the sort of

3239
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,439
backside of getting a draft of a comp

3240
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:28,240
plan hopefully end of the you know end

3241
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:31,120
of the year and I think these are since

3242
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:34,160
we only do one every 30 years this this

3243
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:36,800
would be a great opportunity and since

3244
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:38,960
zoning housing all these are sort of

3245
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:41,040
really comp plan issues. Yeah.

3246
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:44,479
>> Um I think it would be great to get

3247
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,479
that. Yeah. Get it in there.

3248
02:17:46,479 --> 02:17:48,800
>> The existing the existing state carveout

3249
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:52,399
that you know a a semantics person

3250
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:55,439
expert might say is that um you know one

3251
02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:59,280
of the exemptions to this regulation

3252
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:02,160
are are people who live on site or

3253
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:04,639
landlords who live on site as long as

3254
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,200
you know there are 10 units of housing

3255
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:09,920
on site or less. Could that apply to a

3256
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:12,479
family farm? Yeah, potentially. But, you

3257
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:14,160
know, should there be, you know,

3258
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:17,439
agricultural language in the state law?

3259
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:20,559
Yeah, that's it is it's a state law and

3260
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,639
the state comprises both urban and rural

3261
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:23,599
areas. Okay.

3262
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:24,800
>> You make a good point.

3263
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:28,240
>> My my question relates to efficacy. So,

3264
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:30,559
you have a law that's designed to help

3265
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:33,439
protect the more affordable, we'll call

3266
02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:36,639
them, units in your community,

3267
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:39,200
of which most of them are in the village

3268
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:40,319
versus the town.

3269
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:41,200
>> Yeah.

3270
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,519
>> And so, I I wonder, have you all

3271
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:45,599
discussed this with the village and, you

3272
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:48,240
know, what their thoughts on on it might

3273
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:49,280
be? Um,

3274
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:50,960
>> where the village is.

3275
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:53,280
>> Yeah. Where the where the village is.

3276
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:53,760
Yeah.

3277
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,920
>> Karen and Emily are, you know, are kind

3278
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,679
of clued in, you know. Okay. Compton's

3279
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:59,359
family

3280
02:18:59,359 --> 02:19:01,519
yard sale day to tell her what's going

3281
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:04,639
on. Um, I bring it up for a couple

3282
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:07,040
reasons. One one of the things that I

3283
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:08,880
discovered when I was on the county's

3284
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:12,160
housing task force in 2021 or whatever

3285
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:14,639
that was was that we had in the

3286
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:17,920
township, we did not have one

3287
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:21,120
multifamily of 20 units or more in our

3288
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:24,319
community anywhere, which is a decision

3289
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:26,000
the community. I'm not saying we have.

3290
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:28,160
I'm just saying that that was news to

3291
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:31,439
me. Um, and so when we look at, for

3292
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:33,760
example, a portfolio that's about to

3293
02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:35,840
change hands in the village of Red Hook

3294
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,040
with 73 units, I think it is something

3295
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:41,760
like that. Um, I'm going to just take a

3296
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:44,240
guess and say they probably include many

3297
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:47,599
of our more affordable units. I just

3298
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:50,399
wonder if that's um, you know, that's

3299
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:53,439
important for us to to take a look at

3300
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:53,920
that.

3301
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,160
>> Yeah. and and how that may have impact

3302
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,800
or may not impact the uh

3303
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:00,880
>> yeah the proposal advocates for

3304
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,720
simultaneous adoption across

3305
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:07,920
jurisdictions. Um but I but there is uh

3306
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:09,760
you know baggage that comes with this

3307
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:11,760
regulation. You this the potential

3308
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:14,000
economic consequences that Bill was

3309
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:16,960
hinting at. I believe specifically

3310
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:21,920
you're thinking that you know there is concern that this kind of

3311
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,319
regulation in a world of regulation is

3312
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:26,560
going to be the is going to be the straw

3313
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:28,399
you know by which some

3314
02:20:28,399 --> 02:20:31,200
>> real estate holders do not want to build

3315
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,560
or keep their portfolios here.

3316
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:35,520
Um,

3317
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:38,720
>> yeah. Well, there's a long history of rent

3318
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:40,880
regulations in communities and really

3319
02:20:40,880 --> 02:20:43,680
when you look throughout the nation,

3320
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:45,840
>> um, this is new.

3321
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:49,760
>> Um, but most of rent control went away.

3322
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:51,840
In fact, I think Boston and New York

3323
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,240
City still has it. Boston, I think, is

3324
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:56,080
the last pull out.

3325
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:56,880
>> I think it's

3326
02:20:56,880 --> 02:20:58,880
>> because there's that that sort of push

3327
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:00,800
and pull about the small landlord and

3328
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:02,319
will they have enough money to maintain

3329
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:05,359
the property and have a a decent return.

3330
02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:07,120
>> This is a nuance that we didn't discuss

3331
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,280
in the committee, but you bring up an

3332
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:11,439
interesting point about

3333
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:14,479
>> um if we cannot have simultaneous

3334
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:17,280
adoption, then does it actually create

3335
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:19,760
the jurisdictional confusion that we all

3336
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,200
complain about, right? We don't know

3337
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:22,160
where the

3338
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:25,840
>> where town and village or hamlet, you

3339
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:27,040
know, and gets

3340
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:29,040
>> and and it's not intentionally

3341
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:31,280
obuscatory, but but it it you know,

3342
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:34,720
makes people confused and we don't want citizens confused.

3343
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:36,160
>> Yeah.

3344
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:40,000
>> Um and as far as emergency housing,

3345
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,960
so I think you and I have discussed

3346
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:46,479
Hudson River housing has grant funds all

3347
02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:49,520
ready to go. We have, you know, the

3348
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:51,840
advice of council is do not put it on

3349
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:54,880
municipal land. Um, we're not in a

3350
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:57,439
position to really supervise. We've

3351
02:21:57,439 --> 02:21:59,920
discussed that at least

3352
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,479
from from what folks know there there

3353
02:22:02,479 --> 02:22:04,800
may be some mental health issues with a

3354
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:08,640
couple of folks we're worried about and that's our primary concerns. We're

3355
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:12,000
worried about them. Um

3356
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,359
and I did notice um that there was yet

3357
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:17,600
another pilot program coming from the

3358
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:21,040
state. We talked about K through K2

3359
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,560
um mental health uh assistance

3360
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:27,920
um I think just announced this week um

3361
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:31,760
pilot program Duchess County

3362
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,960
Duchess maybe it's Duchess. So maybe

3363
02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:37,760
let's look into that as well. See if

3364
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:40,479
that might be an opportunity. But again,

3365
02:22:40,479 --> 02:22:44,080
I go back to it's the where because the

3366
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,720
money's already lined up, the people who

3367
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,880
have experience in setting up these

3368
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:51,040
shelters. In fact, Hudson River Housing

3369
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:52,720
set up that one that you referenced a

3370
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:54,800
couple of years ago.

3371
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:56,720
It's the where and who's willing to have

3372
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:57,840
that. Yes.

3373
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:59,680
>> In their in their neck of the woods. You

3374
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:02,000
heard comments tonight from people who

3375
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:04,479
weren't boat club members, but they live

3376
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:07,760
in Barry Town. And so we see whenever we

3377
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,880
try to do any project, there is a please

3378
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:14,640
not in my backyard kind of a a sentiment

3379
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,040
that that comes from it. So it's a real

3380
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:18,880
challenge in this situation.

3381
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:20,160
>> It's the stickiest wicked.

3382
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:22,160
>> We need to we need to to find something

3383
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:24,000
that works in this situation because

3384
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:26,880
everybody deserves to have a roof. I'

3385
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:29,280
I've been as a child housing insecure. I

3386
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:31,120
know what that feeling's like and and

3387
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:32,640
it's not good.

3388
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:33,040
>> Um

3389
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:36,240
>> some of it's messaging too. I mean I've

3390
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:38,560
heard a lot of conflation even on the

3391
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:40,960
Cookingham project about these ideas

3392
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:42,880
that you know a housing project's going

3393
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:44,640
in, you know, and you live across the

3394
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:48,240
street. Um, you know, I think some of

3395
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:51,359
it's about properly messaging

3396
02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:54,240
what it is we're doing so that people

3397
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:55,840
understand

3398
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:58,800
what it is as opposed to these, you

3399
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:02,479
know, very scary ideas about about that.

3400
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:03,439
>> Sure. You know, and

3401
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:05,200
>> and definitions, you know, and the

3402
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:07,040
optics of this, you know, are another

3403
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:08,880
dimension of, you know, another

3404
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:11,040
challenging dimension. even the the

3405
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:13,200
transitional housing fund, you know,

3406
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:16,720
which doesn't necessarily touch upon,

3407
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:18,800
you know, folks who may be suffering

3408
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,720
from mental health issues. It may just

3409
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:23,040
be, you know, that family that's, you

3410
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,359
know, that one medical bill away from

3411
02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:26,880
insecure, but they want to keep their

3412
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:28,560
kid in the school district, right?

3413
02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:30,160
>> Um, I mean, even that can be

3414
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,560
misconstrued, right, as as a handout.

3415
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:35,200
>> Yeah. So you you know like I you know

3416
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:37,359
there many reasons why this third

3417
02:24:37,359 --> 02:24:40,160
proposal of ours is least resolved.

3418
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:40,560
>> Yeah.

3419
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:43,680
>> Um it's it's it's also just a really

3420
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:45,040
it's really tough.

3421
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:46,560
>> Um

3422
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:49,040
but you know I think I I appreciate that

3423
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:51,120
we're making a good faith effort you

3424
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:54,560
know to think about you know even if we

3425
02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:56,240
>> even if we can't find that silver

3426
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:57,520
bullet.

3427
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,359
>> Well I mean you guys are boots on the

3428
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:02,240
ground. I know cat, you know, is is

3429
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:04,399
around the village and elsewhere. I

3430
02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:07,200
mean, and other members. It's really

3431
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:10,640
about identifying where where can we do

3432
02:25:10,640 --> 02:25:13,920
this? Um, and and you know, maybe these

3433
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:15,520
mobile units are great. I mean, they

3434
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:17,280
sound like, you know, a potential

3435
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:19,760
solution. The problem is the support

3436
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:23,040
services we all talk about. Can we find

3437
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:26,240
them more than just shelter? Because

3438
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:28,479
it's it it's better. You know this, you

3439
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,000
don't need me to tell you this, but it's

3440
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:32,319
better if we can provide a housing

3441
02:25:32,319 --> 02:25:35,120
accommodation near where services can be

3442
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,680
provided so that all of their well-being

3443
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:40,080
can be improved and they can be the

3444
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:41,520
member of society that

3445
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:43,680
>> there is talk of of family services.

3446
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:44,960
>> Yes. Yeah.

3447
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:47,200
>> Make putting a base down here

3448
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:48,319
>> which would be great because we know

3449
02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:50,080
that some you sometimes access to

3450
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:51,040
services

3451
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:52,720
>> isn't necessarily about geography or

3452
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,560
transportation. It's just

3453
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:56,160
>> personal resistance,

3454
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:59,680
>> right? either to, you know, crossing the

3455
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:01,520
threshold into that office or getting on

3456
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:04,160
the bus to get to that office.

3457
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:05,760
>> Um,

3458
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:08,800
>> yeah, it's, you

3459
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:12,399
tough nuances here. Um, I I don't, you

3460
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:14,160
know, afraid I'm a little afraid to say

3461
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:15,760
this on the p, you know, for public

3462
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,439
record, but, you know, I am afraid that,

3463
02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:19,760
you know, we might not find the site,

3464
02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:21,840
you know, that weaves this all together

3465
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:23,120
>> in time for the winter.

3466
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:25,920
>> Yeah. Um, but at least we're on we're at

3467
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:28,080
least we're on the record for for

3468
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:33,040
starting, you know, the hard work of of trying.

3469
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:35,359
>> Yeah. It might need to knock on doors.

3470
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:36,880
>> Yeah.

3471
02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:39,520
>> Might have to come down to

3472
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:42,000
>> um in the meantime, I will look into opt

3473
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,640
out and and any kind of farming language

3474
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:46,720
in state law and I'll I'll I'll email

3475
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:47,760
you.

3476
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:48,319
>> That'd be great.

3477
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:49,359
>> Yeah. Okay.

3478
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:50,960
>> Thank you, Barbara.

3479
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:53,359
>> Thank you for for Karen. Of course.

3480
02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:56,960
>> Thank you. Have a good night.

3481
02:26:56,960 --> 02:27:01,030
>> Okay.

3482
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:03,439
We are

3483
02:27:03,439 --> 02:27:06,240
number two. It's 10:00 and we're number

3484
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:09,120
two.

3485
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,080
>> The clock on the watch. I mean the hands

3486
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:16,960
on the watch. Uh we've got we're back to

3487
02:27:16,960 --> 02:27:19,840
surplus.

3488
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:21,760
I didn't want to say this, but we also

3489
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:23,680
wanted a truck, but we own it on behalf

3490
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:28,399
of the highway budget DV fund. Um,

3491
02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:32,160
so we've got two resolutions, right? One

3492
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:33,600
is for the van,

3493
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:36,240
>> one is for the van

3494
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:40,560
and one is for the dump truck. So, um,

3495
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:43,520
41

3496
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:47,680
>> 41 would be the 2005 Chevrolet surplus.

3497
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:49,280
You know, the rec department looked at

3498
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:54,790
it and they were like

3499
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:00,160
maybe the village DPW Jake is handy. Um

3500
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:04,560
$1,500 as they know going anywhere in

3501
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:06,000
the same garage.

3502
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:07,439
>> Yeah.

3503
02:28:07,439 --> 02:28:08,960
Somebody approached me from the

3504
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:11,280
wreck department saying that they were

3505
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:13,600
using their own vehicle or something.

3506
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:16,399
>> Yeah. So, remember we talked about those

3507
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:19,200
pickup trucks? Remember we approved

3508
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:21,520
pickup trucks earlier in the year?

3509
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:22,319
>> Uh, yep.

3510
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,080
>> So, there's going to be a surplus pickup

3511
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:25,040
truck.

3512
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:25,600
>> Okay.

3513
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:27,920
>> I think they might be interested in that

3514
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:29,120
>> versus this van.

3515
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:31,359
>> How does that get transferred?

3516
02:28:31,359 --> 02:28:33,520
>> Well, when she she asked for that one to

3517
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:36,720
be put up as surplus then we

3518
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:37,280
>> Okay.

3519
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:39,520
And the value gets created for

3520
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:41,359
that one.

3521
02:28:41,359 --> 02:28:44,399
So in this case we've got 41 resolution

3522
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:47,200
declaring the 2005 Chevy van surplus and

3523
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:48,960
authorizing its transfer of the village

3524
02:28:48,960 --> 02:28:53,120
of Brea. Um they've inspected it. Um the

3525
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:56,560
value has determined it's

3526
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,560
recurring thing. The town board has

3527
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:00,319
determined that the van is no longer

3528
02:29:00,319 --> 02:29:02,399
needed for town purposes. Well, we've

3529
02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:04,240
determined based upon the input of our

3530
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:06,240
highway superintendent. I believe we

3531
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:09,359
went under the van to check it. Um, and

3532
02:29:09,359 --> 02:29:10,720
then it's transferred to the village of

3533
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:12,800
Breto for the purchase price set forth

3534
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:14,960
there and is in the best interest of the

3535
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:17,439
town. Now, therefore, be resolved. The

3536
02:29:17,439 --> 02:29:19,359
town board of the town of Redo as

3537
02:29:19,359 --> 02:29:22,319
follows declares the following vehicle

3538
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:25,280
surplus property and let's fill in the

3539
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:28,240
amount of $1,500. The town board hereby

3540
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:30,720
authorizes the transfer and sale of the

3541
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:32,560
people to the village of Red for the

3542
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:37,120
purchase price of stated 1500 in asis

3543
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:39,520
whereas condition no give backs village

3544
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:42,000
of without any representation or

3545
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:44,640
warranty by the town supposedly on to

3546
02:29:44,640 --> 02:29:45,760
the highway department.

3547
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,720
>> So move second.

3548
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:51,120
>> Any further discussion?

3549
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:54,160
1500 minutes on this one. All in favor?

3550
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:55,680
K. I

3551
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:56,080
>> hi

3552
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:59,040
>> myself. I Jacob and Christina.

3553
02:29:59,040 --> 02:29:59,439
>> Hi.

3554
02:29:59,439 --> 02:30:03,359
>> Thank you very much. Uh resolution 42

3555
02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:06,240
surplus items were now at the 2002

3556
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:09,920
international dump truck.

3557
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:12,160
Um highway superintendent has

3558
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,160
recommended that the disposition of the

3559
02:30:14,160 --> 02:30:16,160
surplus equipment described here in in

3560
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,800
the manner set forth town board of the

3561
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,720
town of Red Hook as follows. declares

3562
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,399
the following items as surplus

3563
02:30:22,399 --> 02:30:24,560
equipment.

3564
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:27,280
Purchasing agent is authorized to engage

3565
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:33,120
a reputable I can't even speak.

3566
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:36,080
Online auction agent uh approved by the

3567
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:38,640
purchasing officer. Actually, it's the

3568
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:40,479
highway superintendent. Let's make that

3569
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:43,200
change. Purchasing officer throughout

3570
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:51,110
this second one.

3571
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:53,359
It shall be available for inspection of

3572
02:30:53,359 --> 02:30:54,960
the town highway department. It's

3573
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:58,240
resolution number 42. Who still is the

3574
02:30:58,240 --> 02:30:59,359
less on the

3575
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:00,479
>> So moved.

3576
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:02,319
>> Thank you, gentlemen.

3577
02:31:02,319 --> 02:31:04,399
>> Who would like to second this one?

3578
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:06,720
>> Second.

3579
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:09,359
>> Further discussion?

3580
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:12,399
If not, all in favor? Kenny.

3581
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:12,800
>> I.

3582
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:15,920
>> Myself. I

3583
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:19,359
>> Jacob. Hi. All right, that's 42.

3584
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:28,870
Okay, we have uh 40 through3.

3585
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:31,040
We don't want to be abrasive, but we do

3586
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:34,240
go out to for a bracelet. So, it's

3587
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:36,399
authorizing the town to advertise or

3588
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,160
request for sealed bids. We go out the

3589
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:40,640
bids trying to get the best pricing each

3590
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:43,280
year for the materials and sometimes for

3591
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:46,000
the labor associated with highway

3592
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:47,520
projects.

3593
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:51,670
Um

3594
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:53,920
those are the ice control abrasives, a

3595
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:56,080
request for seal bids for hot mix

3596
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:58,560
asphalt and a request for proposals for

3597
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:01,520
various materials for 2027.

3598
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:03,920
These materials are listed here in the

3599
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:08,479
memo. Do we quantities or like how does

3600
02:32:08,479 --> 02:32:09,760
that get filled in?

3601
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,560
>> Well, it's so here's the here's the

3602
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:14,880
document itself

3603
02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:18,399
and so um she will go out to bid and

3604
02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:22,870
they will prepare

3605
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:28,550
» based upon a tonnage so each

3606
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:30,160
page.

3607
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,920
So, usually whenever we do this, we'll

3608
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:34,160
get the results back and it'll show like

3609
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:36,319
price and unit and all that.

3610
02:32:36,319 --> 02:32:38,080
>> So, it's based upon the time. You see

3611
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:38,800
how it's

3612
02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:39,280
>> Yep.

3613
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:39,760
>> Okay.

3614
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:40,319
>> Got it.

3615
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:44,160
>> And it says 1,700 tons hot mix asphalt

3616
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,840
concrete for example.

3617
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:53,830
And it's one of those picked up.

3618
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:57,120
Okay. Uh

3619
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:59,359
43.

3620
02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:05,110
Yes.

3621
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:08,389
» May we

3622
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:10,160
would like to move 43.

3623
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:11,359
>> So moved.

3624
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:12,319
>> Second.

3625
02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:17,200
>> Thank you both. Um further discussion.

3626
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:19,120
If not, there's a return date in there

3627
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:21,200
somewhere.

3628
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:27,670
Right.

3629
02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:30,479
All in favor of Kenny I.

3630
02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:33,359
>> William I.

3631
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:33,920
>> Jacob.

3632
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:34,319
>> Hi

3633
02:33:34,319 --> 02:33:34,960
>> Christina.

3634
02:33:34,960 --> 02:33:35,439
>> Hi.

3635
02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:36,800
>> Thank you.

3636
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:39,359
>> All right. Uh we jumped around a bunch

3637
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:42,550
tonight.

3638
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:48,150
Audits. So we get

3639
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:50,000
our auditor

3640
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:53,680
comes and audits various departments and

3641
02:33:53,680 --> 02:34:05,190
offices.

3642
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:08,880
honor those letters.

3643
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:12,880
Um reviewed uh the justice courts, the

3644
02:34:12,880 --> 02:34:15,760
office of town clerk, office of tax

3645
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:20,399
collector and the management letter.

3646
02:34:20,399 --> 02:34:22,960
General fund reviewed the consolidated

3647
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:24,960
checking account for consiliation each

3648
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:28,399
month for completeness and accuracy

3649
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:30,720
in assessing the cash dispersements.

3650
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:32,960
Three vouchers per month. So they they

3651
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:35,920
do all these spot checking

3652
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:38,720
um cash receipts

3653
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:41,200
clear audit trail all checks received by

3654
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:43,520
the bookkeeper who deposited three

3655
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,720
business days office of state controller

3656
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:48,800
local government management guide states

3657
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:50,880
the employee responsible for collecting

3658
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:53,520
cash prepar

3659
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:56,640
should not be um we have just one

3660
02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,319
bookkeeper

3661
02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:02,399
um so there's not the possibility of um

3662
02:35:02,399 --> 02:35:06,399
by procating those duties.

3663
02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:11,359
Um justice courts uh audit

3664
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:13,439
and what they do. This is what they do

3665
02:35:13,439 --> 02:35:18,479
for the spot audits the findings. Um

3666
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:20,640
and we will have merch courts for next

3667
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,920
year when it happens.

3668
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:28,319
Town clerk, same thing findings.

3669
02:35:28,319 --> 02:35:31,280
It's very positive uh management uh

3670
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:35,520
letter, tax letter, collector

3671
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,439
um

3672
02:35:37,439 --> 02:35:40,479
2026 tax receipts and dispersements

3673
02:35:40,479 --> 02:35:43,120
reconciled completely.

3674
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:45,760
All daily receipts evaluated positive

3675
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:49,280
and timely manner.

3676
02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:52,560
for their segregation of duties.

3677
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,160
>> They're a clean office.

3678
02:35:54,160 --> 02:35:57,120
>> Clean office. And there they are. You

3679
02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:02,319
are all welcome to look at them website.

3680
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:07,200
They will be posted upon approval.

3681
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:10,160
So, uh,

3682
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:14,080
>> is that correct on the, um, page

3683
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:17,280
I think it's page five.

3684
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:20,160
>> That one is that does that, is that 2026

3685
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:22,479
or 2025.

3686
02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:24,880
>> Uh, find

3687
02:36:24,880 --> 02:36:27,359
collection period should say 2025. There

3688
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:28,800
was one other type of

3689
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:32,319
>> used my collection this year 26.

3690
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:35,840
>> Oh, she used this one. Oh, right, right, cuz your season is January

3691
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,840
through March. So it is it is correct

3692
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:38,479
Christina.

3693
02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:38,720
>> Okay.

3694
02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:42,560
>> The 2020. What is not correct however is

3695
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:45,439
uh did we get the correct man? There was

3696
02:36:45,439 --> 02:36:47,040
a typo in there. I think she

3697
02:36:47,040 --> 02:36:49,760
accidentally had in the initial draft

3698
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,319
the management letter

3699
02:36:52,319 --> 02:36:56,399
tree bosser and right. Did she collect

3700
02:36:56,399 --> 02:36:59,280
that? Correct that.

3701
02:36:59,280 --> 02:37:04,479
I think Alex posted uh yeah good. Okay.

3702
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:05,359
Um,

3703
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:07,040
>> page two.

3704
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:07,439
>> Sorry.

3705
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:09,600
>> On page two, it still says street.

3706
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:11,920
>> Oh, it still says page page.

3707
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:13,520
>> Yeah,

3708
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:14,720
it's like the second one right after the

3709
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:20,230
resolution.

3710
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:21,840
» He's still the judge. He's just not our

3711
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:23,040
judge.

3712
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:24,640
>> I guess yours is right. The one that I

3713
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:26,640
had from what was in the mail is wrong.

3714
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:28,000
So, whatever that update is is

3715
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,680
>> Yes. So, the correction was made and

3716
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:36,469
that's a matter of Yeah.

3717
02:37:36,479 --> 02:37:39,359
Okay. Uh, where where are we? Did we

3718
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:40,560
vote on that?

3719
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:45,190
>> Resolution 44.

3720
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:46,240
» 44.

3721
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:47,439
>> No, you didn't vote on it.

3722
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:50,240
>> We didn't vote on it.

3723
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:51,280
>> Okay.

3724
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:52,880
>> This this would be 44.

3725
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:53,840
>> Yeah.

3726
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:56,640
Motion to

3727
02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:58,880
accept the audit reports for the year

3728
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:03,600
ended December 31, 2025 and for text

3729
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:05,600
misspelled collection if we can make

3730
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:08,319
that.

3731
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:11,439
We're trying to be bilingual

3732
02:38:11,439 --> 02:38:16,399
period uh tax collection period

3733
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:20,389
2026.

3734
02:38:20,399 --> 02:38:22,720
» Who moved it?

3735
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:25,200
Nobody move it.

3736
02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:28,080
>> Okay, I think Christina got here. Uh,

3737
02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:30,319
bill.

3738
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:31,920
>> Further discussion? If not,

3739
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:35,280
congratulations to all the departments

3740
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:38,160
on a successful audit. Um, all in favor?

3741
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:39,040
Kenny.

3742
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:39,760
>> Hi,

3743
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:40,160
>> William.

3744
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:41,120
>> Hi, myself.

3745
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:42,960
>> I hi Christina.

3746
02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:43,359
>> Hi.

3747
02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:44,880
>> Thank you.

3748
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:48,479
>> All right. Uh, I think I mentioned uh

3749
02:38:48,479 --> 02:38:50,640
the beginning of the meeting the solar.

3750
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:52,479
So, we had an emergency roof

3751
02:38:52,479 --> 02:38:54,160
replacement.

3752
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:57,040
Um, call the solar installer. Please

3753
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:59,520
book back the solar panels so we can get

3754
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:02,080
our free electricity from the panels

3755
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:03,680
that

3756
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:05,760
we were placed. And a lot of that was

3757
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:12,150
grant funded years ago. Um

3758
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,800
and he pointed out something and if

3759
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:16,960
you've been following for the last 20

3760
02:39:16,960 --> 02:39:20,800
years what's been happening in um a lot

3761
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:23,280
of clean energy industries but

3762
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:25,600
especially in solar the cost of the

3763
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:32,240
panels have declined. The efficacy and u

3764
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:34,560
resiliency of the panels have only

3765
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:38,640
increased. is they're 13y old panels and

3766
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:41,120
literally for $200

3767
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:42,880
difference.

3768
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:46,800
Um they can put on new panels half the

3769
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:50,880
amount, 43 panels versus 22,

3770
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:54,080
half the amount and give us a lot more

3771
02:39:54,080 --> 02:39:56,720
roof. So if we want to expand and get

3772
02:39:56,720 --> 02:39:58,319
more

3773
02:39:58,319 --> 02:40:01,680
free electricity um a new warranty as

3774
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:02,080
well

3775
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:04,560
>> and the new warranty and newer panels

3776
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:07,680
the degra deg degradation

3777
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:10,319
folks at home probably doing more

3778
02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:12,399
exciting things than I am but studying

3779
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:15,280
things like how do solar panels degrade

3780
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,840
typically it's about half a percent per

3781
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:22,080
atom so you would start out at no panel

3782
02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:24,960
is 100% but you would decline by half a

3783
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:27,680
percent a year. So a 13y old panel,

3784
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:29,840
you're already starting at you know

3785
02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:32,240
somewhat of a deficit. It's a it's a

3786
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,319
great it's a great south facing and in

3787
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:36,240
this subsequent email he points out it's

3788
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:38,560
a great south facing

3789
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:43,040
um roof. So you know good good thing to

3790
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:43,840
consider taking.

3791
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:47,840
>> Can you just explain what like what um

3792
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:49,840
the diagram that we're looking at? So

3793
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:51,920
>> sure the uh

3794
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:58,389
>> let's go to the video tape.

3795
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:01,520
What number are we on?

3796
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:08,070
>> Thank you Jes.

3797
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:09,040
» Okay.

3798
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:10,880
>> So So

3799
02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:12,880
just briefly what are we what are we

3800
02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:17,359
looking at? Okay. Like so yellow is is

3801
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:17,680
um

3802
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:19,920
>> this is town hall yellow.

3803
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:21,359
>> We're in L shape.

3804
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:23,760
>> Okay. These are the panels that were not

3805
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:27,760
affected. We had to replace this roof.

3806
02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:29,600
>> So what what um

3807
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:32,080
>> we have 43 panels.

3808
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:33,840
>> What's the yellow represent on the roof?

3809
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:34,319
Is there like

3810
02:41:34,319 --> 02:41:34,880
>> It's just the roof.

3811
02:41:34,880 --> 02:41:35,680
>> That's the roof.

3812
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:37,520
>> It's just the roof. It doesn't mean like

3813
02:41:37,520 --> 02:41:40,720
>> No. like any like effective area like

3814
02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:42,800
obviously the southern

3815
02:41:42,800 --> 02:41:44,880
>> um part of the roof is the better part

3816
02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:45,520
of the roof.

3817
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,240
>> Yellow is better than yellow is better

3818
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:50,640
than orange or is that not true?

3819
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,920
>> Yellow is better than brown.

3820
02:41:53,920 --> 02:41:58,389
>> Well, only because it's north.

3821
02:41:58,399 --> 02:42:01,680
» And how how are we deciding how far over

3822
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:06,319
to to put them towards that valley?

3823
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,920
Uh I wasn't planning on uh deciding

3824
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:12,640
that. I was going to leave that to uh

3825
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:15,359
the installers who are engineers to

3826
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:17,040
figure that out. But I mean if you have

3827
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:19,439
some thoughts on that um you can weigh

3828
02:42:19,439 --> 02:42:22,960
that. Um I think that's 22 panels there.

3829
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:26,479
We had 43 panels on this whole roof.

3830
02:42:26,479 --> 02:42:29,200
>> Um and and we would now have more.

3831
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:30,080
Right.

3832
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:32,080
>> I mean, it just it to me if if we're

3833
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:33,680
going to put them on the southern on the

3834
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:35,760
southern face of that roof, that would

3835
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:39,520
it would make sense to to max that out

3836
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:41,680
>> other more than other other slopes of

3837
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:43,200
the roof? Like could we fit another row

3838
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:45,600
on the bottom or like

3839
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:46,880
>> we looked at that? And then the other

3840
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:50,640
thing is um have they reviewed? There's

3841
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:54,960
something in a code about needing to um

3842
02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:56,640
have

3843
02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:59,439
fire department access across a roof.

3844
02:42:59,439 --> 02:43:02,479
>> Yes. So, this is a safer

3845
02:43:02,479 --> 02:43:05,760
um Yes. This I think Dizzy Coverin has

3846
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:10,399
communications with us. Um this is a

3847
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:13,600
there's new codes now on these and there

3848
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:16,319
are new safety features that go with

3849
02:43:16,319 --> 02:43:19,040
this. Um, and there's also an inverter

3850
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:20,800
that's going to be replaced. Let me see

3851
02:43:20,800 --> 02:43:22,960
if we can get to his communication on

3852
02:43:22,960 --> 02:43:23,760
that.

3853
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:25,680
>> But it says it's 2025 building code

3854
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:27,439
compliant. Has the rapid shutdown. I

3855
02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:28,479
think that was one thing that was

3856
02:43:28,479 --> 02:43:29,600
described in the

3857
02:43:29,600 --> 02:43:32,880
>> right was the shutdown. Mhm.

3858
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:34,880
Module grounding modules have increased

3859
02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:37,439
inside power density. Module level power

3860
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:40,640
electronics are now required on roof

3861
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:42,880
systems for rapid shutdown and safety.

3862
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:44,880
We did not have that because that was

3863
02:43:44,880 --> 02:43:48,319
not required back in 20 12 I believe was

3864
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:52,319
this system. Maybe 2013.

3865
02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:55,200
>> Good thing to have

3866
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:57,840
>> um new 25-y year warranties and their

3867
02:43:57,840 --> 02:43:59,840
increased power density would open up

3868
02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:03,439
more room for system expansion. Um we

3869
02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:06,000
will reuse almost all of the existing AC

3870
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:08,319
wiring and utility interconnection that

3871
02:44:08,319 --> 02:44:11,040
is already in place inside the building.

3872
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:13,359
So just to be clear, this is this would

3873
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:16,160
give us the same amount of output but

3874
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:18,240
with half the amount of panels. If we

3875
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:21,040
wanted at a later date to expand, we

3876
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:23,920
it's very easy and modular to to throw

3877
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:26,080
more up. Now we can take a look at what

3878
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:31,840
our needs are to do that. Um, but

3879
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:33,680
the question was before we go ahead and

3880
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,640
pay for 2 or 3 days of having 43 panels

3881
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:39,680
that are, you know, half or a little

3882
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:42,319
better than half efficient, do we want

3883
02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:44,720
to do something that seems to be a

3884
02:44:44,720 --> 02:44:46,319
no-brainer?

3885
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:48,160
>> How much do we give back to the to the

3886
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:49,760
grid on the

3887
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:51,680
>> Oh, you're not going to ask me to set

3888
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:53,520
like that off the top of my head. How

3889
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:53,680
much?

3890
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:55,680
>> No, but you're the solar you're the

3891
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:57,439
solar guy. Are you supposed to know

3892
02:44:57,439 --> 02:44:58,720
these things?

3893
02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:02,000
>> All I know is what I was told. I'm not

3894
02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:04,960
an engineer. And I was told that in the

3895
02:45:04,960 --> 02:45:09,120
town of Hera that we have

3896
02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:11,120
so much solar

3897
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:14,720
that during the best days, sunny days in

3898
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:17,200
the middle of the summer that there's a

3899
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:20,319
possibility we're producing townwide

3900
02:45:20,319 --> 02:45:23,200
more electricity than we are using

3901
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:26,960
because of the solar. Okay.

3902
02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:30,080
Um but on each you know system don't

3903
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:31,760
forget we have a whole bunch that we've

3904
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:35,279
gotten much of which was with grant

3905
02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:39,120
funding. Town hall highway garage

3906
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,520
uh firehouse I remember being a part of

3907
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:44,479
that uh project 2009 I think we got the

3908
02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:47,920
grant to that one. Um then the the the

3909
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:50,160
big community solar one then obviously

3910
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:54,479
the cooking solar one now. Um,

3911
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:57,120
so

3912
02:45:57,120 --> 02:45:59,439
what what do we think before we tell

3913
02:45:59,439 --> 02:46:02,080
them to put the old ones back on that we

3914
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:06,479
want these on? Kenny, your thought?

3915
02:46:06,479 --> 02:46:07,520
>> No thoughts.

3916
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:08,960
>> No thought.

3917
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:09,680
>> It's not expensive.

3918
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:12,640
>> New or old for the same amount of money?

3919
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:13,279
>> New?

3920
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:14,640
>> No.

3921
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:16,800
>> What happens to the old ones?

3922
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:18,479
>> That's I asked that question. Do they

3923
02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:20,800
have value? And guess what it comes down

3924
02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:25,760
to? Not really because it costs. This is

3925
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:29,040
the hard cost, soft costs, right? So the

3926
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:31,120
hard costs have declined dramatically. I

3927
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:32,880
mean, the cost of the solar I don't even

3928
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:36,240
want to tell you what we paid for these

3929
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,800
systems 20 years ago because it's

3930
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:40,720
embarrassing. I mean, it's like 10% or

3931
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:43,680
less now for the actual panels. But do

3932
02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:47,920
they are there recyclable materials like with spark plugs for

3933
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:50,160
>> they can be used but you have to weigh

3934
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:52,479
the just like we are we like and

3935
02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:53,840
certainly with the roof we're never

3936
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:55,760
going to take up the value of the space

3937
02:46:55,760 --> 02:46:58,479
now. He says there's very little value

3938
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:01,279
to them. But we can

3939
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:02,319
ask to see if we can

3940
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:03,760
>> I'm just I'm just I was thinking about

3941
02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:06,319
it in the context of the like the fridge

3942
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:09,680
the you know the freon cuz

3943
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:13,359
>> the dollar spark plug spark plugs for

3944
02:47:13,359 --> 02:47:15,600
airplane engines have platinum in them.

3945
02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:18,560
Um and catalytic converters have gold in

3946
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:21,200
them. And there are companies and

3947
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:23,600
businesses whose job is to harvest these

3948
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:25,439
precious metals. And I believe that

3949
02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:28,319
there I think it's silver where it used

3950
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:31,520
to be used. Uh it's a highly industrial

3951
02:47:31,520 --> 02:47:33,520
metal silver might have been used in

3952
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:34,880
solar panels at some point. I don't know

3953
02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:35,840
if they still are.

3954
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,760
>> So when they're not being if you can't

3955
02:47:37,760 --> 02:47:39,680
use them anymore, how do you

3956
02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:40,399
>> get rid of them?

3957
02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:41,439
>> Yeah,

3958
02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:42,880
>> they'll they'll get rid of them. You

3959
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:45,200
actually have to pay to have you know

3960
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:47,200
there's with these bigger projects

3961
02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:49,840
there's a decommissioning cost and so

3962
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:51,920
that has to be put in a proposal that

3963
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:54,319
Christina knows what it cost.

3964
02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:56,080
for time and you maybe also have a

3965
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:58,000
planning board that you have to have a

3966
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:00,160
decommissioning plan to take them down

3967
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:04,160
and to uh appropriately recycle them

3968
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:06,319
>> or whatever use them but you know

3969
02:48:06,319 --> 02:48:08,240
totally of very little value because

3970
02:48:08,240 --> 02:48:10,319
they are

3971
02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:11,920
the

3972
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:13,680
not necessarily worthy of the

3973
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:15,920
installation. Does that mean somebody

3974
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:19,040
wouldn't want to be interested in it?

3975
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:24,720
There's going to be a lot that expire in the coming decade or so.

3976
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:26,319
>> You know, I think they are recycling

3977
02:48:26,319 --> 02:48:27,600
panels now.

3978
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:29,920
>> We should we should question for Jeff.

3979
02:48:29,920 --> 02:48:30,960
>> Sure.

3980
02:48:30,960 --> 02:48:33,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

3981
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:35,520
>> Okay. Uh,

3982
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:37,359
>> are we voting on this or is this

3983
02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:39,920
>> I I think we should because this was an

3984
02:48:39,920 --> 02:48:42,319
emergency and we've taken this off and

3985
02:48:42,319 --> 02:48:44,319
they've been off and so it's costing us

3986
02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:47,439
more money each and every day not having

3987
02:48:47,439 --> 02:48:52,399
those panels on there. So, uh,

3988
02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:57,030
who would like to to

3989
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:01,520
» Okay, next one. um to approve the

3990
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:04,560
proposal as described in replacing the

3991
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:08,399
panels on the roof that had to be

3992
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:13,349
taken off because of the

3993
02:49:13,359 --> 02:49:15,760
Okay. Uh we have a motion. We have a

3994
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:16,800
second.

3995
02:49:16,800 --> 02:49:17,600
>> Second.

3996
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:19,439
>> Thank you, Jacob. Further discussion.

3997
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:21,439
All in favor? Christina? I

3998
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:24,399
>> Jacob. Marcel. I William.

3999
02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:25,279
>> Kenny. Hi.

4000
02:49:25,279 --> 02:49:29,120
>> Thank you very much. Right. Uh uh

4001
02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:33,279
>> you skipped the um the bridge.

4002
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:37,040
>> Yeah. Can we can we come back to that

4003
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:39,359
since there's nobody there's nobody here

4004
02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:42,720
waiting on us. Would would you mind if

4005
02:49:42,720 --> 02:49:44,399
we come back to that? I'd like to just

4006
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:46,160
tackle

4007
02:49:46,160 --> 02:49:47,600
>> cannabis expo.

4008
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:49,520
>> Yeah. So we got we got some more

4009
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:54,230
communication on cannabis.

4010
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:57,040
Uh it doesn't

4011
02:49:57,040 --> 02:49:59,359
sound like a

4012
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,520
big thing that they're shooting for.

4013
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:05,600
They want to fit within the

4014
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:08,160
footprint. Now, we did refer to our

4015
02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:11,040
building in Zo. We'd have to to make

4016
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:13,200
sure that it's allowed. I think, you

4017
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:16,399
know, well, I know I expressed I have no

4018
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:19,120
reservation about something like that

4019
02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:24,720
happening. um the state

4020
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:26,880
um

4021
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:28,880
I think has some guidance when it comes

4022
02:50:28,880 --> 02:50:31,040
to the cannabis expos and some rules and

4023
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:34,160
regulations associated with that. So

4024
02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:37,200
unfortunately we haven't heard back from

4025
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:40,720
uh our CEO on that. I think he's waiting

4026
02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:45,349
for some legal guidance on that.

4027
02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:48,319
I think it's quite possible we might be

4028
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:52,240
in a position where we

4029
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:53,600
>> can't.

4030
02:50:53,600 --> 02:50:56,080
>> No. Well, I wasn't suggesting that that

4031
02:50:56,080 --> 02:50:58,399
we might have to have a special meeting.

4032
02:50:58,399 --> 02:51:00,319
And I bring that up because typically

4033
02:51:00,319 --> 02:51:02,160
the second meeting in August because

4034
02:51:02,160 --> 02:51:04,880
it's fairly we don't have a meeting

4035
02:51:04,880 --> 02:51:07,439
because many of the public are with the

4036
02:51:07,439 --> 02:51:08,960
fair or at the fair.

4037
02:51:08,960 --> 02:51:09,600
>> Oh, that's right.

4038
02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:12,240
>> Otherwise engaged. Um, so I would

4039
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:14,479
propose we we do what we did in July,

4040
02:51:14,479 --> 02:51:17,439
which is we go ahead and cancel that

4041
02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:20,080
August 20some meeting and leave

4042
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:21,920
ourselves available to have a special

4043
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:24,319
meeting so we could tackle this or we do

4044
02:51:24,319 --> 02:51:26,080
have one or two other matters under

4045
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:28,000
negotiation now and if there's a

4046
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:29,920
movement there

4047
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:31,600
>> 26

4048
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:33,680
would it make sense for us to approve

4049
02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:36,399
this with a condition

4050
02:51:36,399 --> 02:51:39,040
>> or like what are we reviewing? Well, we

4051
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:40,800
need to

4052
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:43,040
>> Well, we need to know if it's allowable.

4053
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:45,120
We haven't heard from our CEO whether or

4054
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:49,040
not this is allowed. Um I certainly

4055
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:51,520
would be happy that I have expressed in

4056
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:54,880
previous meetings that I no problem uh

4057
02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:56,479
with this type of an event

4058
02:51:56,479 --> 02:51:59,200
>> because it seems to me like we were last

4059
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:00,720
time when we were talking about this, we

4060
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:02,720
were asking a question like why is this

4061
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:06,319
before us? And it's because um Office of

4062
02:52:06,319 --> 02:52:08,720
Cannabis Management requires that the

4063
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:10,240
town board take an action.

4064
02:52:10,240 --> 02:52:10,640
>> Yeah.

4065
02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:15,279
>> But if if we were to approve this

4066
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:18,000
contingent on

4067
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:20,240
>> the zoning review,

4068
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:22,080
>> I understand and I want to say this

4069
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:24,080
respectfully, but I mean this is this is

4070
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:26,720
where I sometimes get confused is

4071
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:28,319
sometimes you won't vote on something

4072
02:52:28,319 --> 02:52:29,840
because you don't have the last little

4073
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:32,399
detail signed off on. That's a great

4074
02:52:32,399 --> 02:52:34,240
trait for an architect. And then there

4075
02:52:34,240 --> 02:52:35,840
are times where what

4076
02:52:35,840 --> 02:52:37,040
>> we are generalists.

4077
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:39,120
>> Right. Right. But and then there are

4078
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:41,200
other times like we don't even get from

4079
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:44,000
our CEO whether it's legal or allowed

4080
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:46,399
and you're okay voting on it. Um I'm

4081
02:52:46,399 --> 02:52:48,399
just saying

4082
02:52:48,399 --> 02:52:50,080
I think we need to make sure that we're

4083
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:52,479
voting on something that is allowed

4084
02:52:52,479 --> 02:52:55,200
under our code or under New York State.

4085
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:57,279
And so we were supposed to like all

4086
02:52:57,279 --> 02:52:59,040
these referrals were supposed to go to

4087
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:02,240
him and come back to us. I'm happy to go

4088
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:04,800
on record and say provided.

4089
02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:06,240
>> Did he I'm sorry to interrupt. Did he

4090
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:07,760
get all the information? Remember we had

4091
02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:09,840
asked for that additional information?

4092
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:10,720
>> He did.

4093
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:13,840
>> And and and uh before we even had a

4094
02:53:13,840 --> 02:53:16,240
chance to ask upstate Pines, they sent

4095
02:53:16,240 --> 02:53:19,680
it like in uh 48 hours or something like

4096
02:53:19,680 --> 02:53:22,000
that. He had to watch the meeting or

4097
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:23,760
something like that. He was thankful

4098
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:27,359
that we were um gener sounded generally

4099
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:30,800
supportive. Um

4100
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,680
>> I guess my point the reason that I would

4101
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:37,840
suggest that is because

4102
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,960
we're not generally

4103
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:43,760
um involved in zoning decisions, right?

4104
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:46,319
So like what

4105
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:49,840
why is OCM referring it to the town

4106
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:53,200
board to say that we are

4107
02:53:53,200 --> 02:53:54,560
generally supportive

4108
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:56,720
>> requirement by the law. It's in their

4109
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:57,120
law,

4110
02:53:57,120 --> 02:53:57,760
>> right?

4111
02:53:57,760 --> 02:54:00,160
>> You know, I think because this is not a

4112
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:02,640
dispensary. This is like an expo,

4113
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:02,960
>> right?

4114
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:06,560
>> So, think about what an expo is. Um,

4115
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:08,560
sometimes it's

4116
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:11,040
a little fun, right? We heard about a

4117
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:13,439
car show that happened on that two acre

4118
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:17,120
property that is so tiny. And you know,

4119
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:20,319
some of us went this spring down to

4120
02:54:20,319 --> 02:54:22,640
Jacob Javitz where there was another car

4121
02:54:22,640 --> 02:54:25,520
show at Expo and that was hundreds of

4122
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:28,000
thousands of people. So I think the idea

4123
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:29,359
is that we're supposed to gather

4124
02:54:29,359 --> 02:54:31,200
information as EU supposed to take a

4125
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:33,040
look at the state law. We're supposed to

4126
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:35,040
look at our own local code and make sure

4127
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:37,920
it conforms. I'm perfectly comfortable

4128
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:40,240
with this. I'm perfectly comfortable.

4129
02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:43,120
We've done this maybe not while you've

4130
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:45,040
been on the board. Um, but we certainly

4131
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:47,520
have on shorter order called special

4132
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:49,680
meetings for either grant purposes or

4133
02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:52,479
purposes to accommodate this. Um, and

4134
02:54:52,479 --> 02:54:56,080
I'm happy to make myself available to uh

4135
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:58,560
to call a special meeting to approve it,

4136
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:01,120
but I I I want somebody to tell me that

4137
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:04,080
it's a while before we do that. And only

4138
02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:06,479
the CEO can make those determinations. I

4139
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:08,640
don't want to stand in the shoes of the

4140
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:09,359
CEO.

4141
02:55:09,359 --> 02:55:11,279
>> Understood. But my my only point is just

4142
02:55:11,279 --> 02:55:14,240
saying that like because we the the CEO

4143
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:17,359
is day in day out determining whether

4144
02:55:17,359 --> 02:55:23,520
things are allowed or not. And so if if we were to say like we're we are

4145
02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:25,840
comfortable with this as long as it

4146
02:55:25,840 --> 02:55:28,000
conforms with our zoning, I I would be

4147
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:29,600
comfortable saying that because I think

4148
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:33,040
that's the that's the the intent of us

4149
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:34,640
weighing in on it.

4150
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:36,560
>> I think it serves a purpose. Yeah, I was

4151
02:55:36,560 --> 02:55:38,880
say sort of like sort of saying we're

4152
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:40,720
waiting to hear that back if we get that

4153
02:55:40,720 --> 02:55:43,040
information that says yeah, good to go.

4154
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,000
>> Yeah.

4155
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:46,160
>> Like why have a separate meeting for

4156
02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:48,399
>> to approve it if we feel like if the

4157
02:55:48,399 --> 02:55:48,880
answer is yes,

4158
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:50,160
>> right? Like if if it if

4159
02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:52,319
>> you're okay on the hypothetical,

4160
02:55:52,319 --> 02:55:53,600
>> well, I think if the answer is no, then

4161
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:57,040
we don't. I guess the question is

4162
02:55:57,040 --> 02:56:01,279
are we if say and I'm generally flexible

4163
02:56:01,279 --> 02:56:03,040
about those kinds of things but are we

4164
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:05,279
sending something to the state saying

4165
02:56:05,279 --> 02:56:07,200
contingent on this and they get it and

4166
02:56:07,200 --> 02:56:08,080
they go oh

4167
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:10,319
>> this is I think we wait to sign off on

4168
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:11,920
the form until we hear from

4169
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:14,319
>> I see but could we could we pass it

4170
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:17,600
tonight saying it is it is up to the CEO

4171
02:56:17,600 --> 02:56:19,920
to make sure that that the zoning

4172
02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:22,160
conforms we're okay with it if he signs

4173
02:56:22,160 --> 02:56:24,000
off on it and then it goes to the

4174
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:26,080
We delegate Robert's work with the CEO

4175
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:26,560
to

4176
02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:26,960
>> sure

4177
02:56:26,960 --> 02:56:29,200
>> get that answer and then sign off on it

4178
02:56:29,200 --> 02:56:31,439
if the answer is yes.

4179
02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:33,920
>> The fair starts on the 23rd, right?

4180
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:34,640
>> 25th.

4181
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:37,520
>> Oh, the 25th.

4182
02:56:37,520 --> 02:56:39,680
Okay.

4183
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:40,080
>> Yeah.

4184
02:56:40,080 --> 02:56:41,520
>> I was just trying to think about it in

4185
02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:43,279
terms like if we had run in here in the

4186
02:56:43,279 --> 02:56:44,240
morning and

4187
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:44,720
>> Oh,

4188
02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:47,279
>> you only need three of us to do it. So,

4189
02:56:47,279 --> 02:56:48,720
I'm not going anywhere else. I'll be

4190
02:56:48,720 --> 02:56:50,479
available.

4191
02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:53,439
Did they get uh this temporary extension

4192
02:56:53,439 --> 02:56:55,840
of their license dispensary that that

4193
02:56:55,840 --> 02:57:00,080
that's an approval thing from the state?

4194
02:57:00,080 --> 02:57:02,640
>> It says here they

4195
02:57:02,640 --> 02:57:05,200
the rented space that uh there's a

4196
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,200
temporary extension of our licensed

4197
02:57:07,200 --> 02:57:10,240
retail dispensary.

4198
02:57:10,240 --> 02:57:12,720
>> Do we have to get approval or is that

4199
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:13,200
something

4200
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:14,640
>> that's coming from the state? I would

4201
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:14,960
think.

4202
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:19,279
>> Right. But you see where I'm saying that

4203
02:57:19,279 --> 02:57:21,279
>> Upstate Pines is going to be selling

4204
02:57:21,279 --> 02:57:22,720
cannabis. They're going to be the only

4205
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:23,920
ones out of these.

4206
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:24,960
>> That's right. They're the only ones

4207
02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:25,520
selling it,

4208
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:27,600
>> right? But they're saying uh the rented

4209
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:29,359
space will operate as a temporary

4210
02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:31,120
extension of our license.

4211
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:33,040
>> Okay. I Yeah, I read that. I think what

4212
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:33,680
they're saying

4213
02:57:33,680 --> 02:57:35,520
>> to get approval from the state to get a

4214
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:36,960
temporary extension.

4215
02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:40,240
>> Uh I think what if we approved if we

4216
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:42,160
approved it, I think that's what the

4217
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:43,279
state's waiting for.

4218
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:46,160
>> Hang on. Hang on. Just to be clear, but

4219
02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:48,080
just to be clear because I I want to

4220
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:49,359
make sure that we're not giving the

4221
02:57:49,359 --> 02:57:52,479
wrong person. We don't approve it.

4222
02:57:52,479 --> 02:57:53,920
>> No, I know

4223
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:56,720
>> the state regulates.

4224
02:57:56,720 --> 02:57:57,840
>> The state approves it,

4225
02:57:57,840 --> 02:57:59,439
>> but but the form is asking us to

4226
02:57:59,439 --> 02:58:00,240
approve.

4227
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:00,640
>> Exactly.

4228
02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:01,920
>> For the state to consider.

4229
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:02,399
>> Exactly.

4230
02:58:02,399 --> 02:58:04,640
>> Yeah. Okay. And and I think the what

4231
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:06,560
they was what in this additional

4232
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,479
information that they provided us are

4233
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:12,000
saying is that they're going to be the

4234
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:15,439
only actual seller

4235
02:58:15,439 --> 02:58:17,680
>> of cannabis. It's just that not it's not

4236
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:19,439
across the street. It's going to be at

4237
02:58:19,439 --> 02:58:21,279
the farm. Well, I'm just wondering is it

4238
02:58:21,279 --> 02:58:23,040
legal for them to

4239
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:23,840
>> that's up to

4240
02:58:23,840 --> 02:58:26,880
>> sell after the sprinted I think that's

4241
02:58:26,880 --> 02:58:29,040
up to the state and so when they make

4242
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:31,040
their approval they're that's what

4243
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:32,560
they're part of what they're approved

4244
02:58:32,560 --> 02:58:34,640
>> that's why I feel uncomfortable voting

4245
02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:37,520
on it right you know until we get

4246
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:38,800
>> all the facts

4247
02:58:38,800 --> 02:58:40,880
>> yeah I think that this showcase event

4248
02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:42,560
application is meant to account for

4249
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:44,240
those showcases happening at places that

4250
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:45,600
are different from right

4251
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:47,680
>> the typical location that they're doing

4252
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:49,120
their business at

4253
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,120
>> is There is there a compromise here

4254
02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:54,240
where maybe we as a board can convey

4255
02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:56,479
just for their planning purposes but

4256
02:58:56,479 --> 02:58:58,560
provided

4257
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:01,680
without voting on it but letting letting

4258
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:03,680
them know that our inclination is to

4259
02:59:03,680 --> 02:59:06,560
support this effort if we get

4260
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:07,120
>> yes

4261
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:10,560
>> you want more information we need

4262
02:59:10,560 --> 02:59:11,279
>> okay

4263
02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:12,000
>> we shouldn't do anything

4264
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:14,640
>> so I think it's it's not it's not a vote

4265
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:16,399
to send for

4266
02:59:16,399 --> 02:59:20,080
>> what's that a balloon Okay. Okay. So,

4267
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:23,680
um, would would I then ask you for

4268
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:26,080
permission to communicate with Upstate

4269
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:28,720
Pines to say that while there's still

4270
02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:30,560
the outstanding

4271
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:35,279
question and um, legality um that, you

4272
02:59:35,279 --> 02:59:37,680
know, as a board we we did not see a

4273
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:39,680
problem with it and for planning

4274
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:42,080
purposes, provided we get the

4275
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:43,920
information,

4276
02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:46,000
we intend to convene a meeting, a

4277
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:48,080
special meeting, even if for a few

4278
02:59:48,080 --> 02:59:52,399
minutes to approve the form when

4279
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:53,520
compromise.

4280
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:54,319
>> You don't like it? I

4281
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:56,800
>> I don't like it cuz I just I It's a

4282
02:59:56,800 --> 02:59:58,080
matter of principle to me. I mean, like,

4283
02:59:58,080 --> 03:00:01,279
we're not in the business of of of

4284
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:03,520
doing the zoning review. So, I look at

4285
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:03,920
it.

4286
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:07,680
>> That's why I don't want to vote on it. I don't want to vote on something that

4287
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:08,160
>> right,

4288
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:09,520
>> you know, somebody hasn't told me.

4289
03:00:09,520 --> 03:00:11,520
>> So, the language would be something like

4290
03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:14,160
we appoint Robert.

4291
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:15,680
>> Doesn't have to be language. It's just

4292
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:17,200
you're authorizing me to communicate

4293
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:19,600
with them that as a board we have no

4294
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:21,520
problem conceptually with doing it and

4295
03:00:21,520 --> 03:00:23,920
what they've described sounds great

4296
03:00:23,920 --> 03:00:25,680
>> but we need to hear back from the ZU

4297
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:27,359
>> but they need to conform with our zoning

4298
03:00:27,359 --> 03:00:30,630
law

4299
03:00:30,640 --> 03:00:30,880
and

4300
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:33,279
>> if it does we will convene a special

4301
03:00:33,279 --> 03:00:33,760
meeting.

4302
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:38,319
>> Well, not only zoning law but state law.

4303
03:00:38,319 --> 03:00:41,279
>> But we're not um we're not weighing in

4304
03:00:41,279 --> 03:00:42,880
on the state law. We should weigh in on

4305
03:00:42,880 --> 03:00:45,040
our zoning law. That's town law, but

4306
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:47,040
then it's going to go to the state.

4307
03:00:47,040 --> 03:00:49,600
>> Okay. Well,

4308
03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:52,000
>> somebody in our municipality needs to be

4309
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:54,319
up on and and actually Brandon offered

4310
03:00:54,319 --> 03:00:56,319
to take a look into that as well, you

4311
03:00:56,319 --> 03:00:58,080
know, the state law to make sure that

4312
03:00:58,080 --> 03:00:59,680
we're

4313
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:03,030
um

4314
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:06,000
you know, being cognizant of that.

4315
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:08,800
>> And the whole idea of this discussion is

4316
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:12,399
we all think about one thing, liability.

4317
03:01:12,399 --> 03:01:13,520
So

4318
03:01:13,520 --> 03:01:13,920
>> yeah,

4319
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:15,600
>> it's just like what was happening at

4320
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:17,680
Hard Means with the

4321
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:18,399
>> right

4322
03:01:18,399 --> 03:01:19,760
>> uh you know with the

4323
03:01:19,760 --> 03:01:23,760
>> the festival and the alcohol. It's it's

4324
03:01:23,760 --> 03:01:26,240
you know there's liability on our part

4325
03:01:26,240 --> 03:01:28,240
you know

4326
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:29,840
>> in some ways.

4327
03:01:29,840 --> 03:01:33,840
>> Well yeah you you you were around uh the

4328
03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:35,040
gathering in the body.

4329
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:36,240
>> Yeah. Well that

4330
03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:38,880
>> right where somebody died.

4331
03:01:38,880 --> 03:01:40,399
>> No that was big. Yeah,

4332
03:01:40,399 --> 03:01:41,760
>> but Robert, I think, you know, your

4333
03:01:41,760 --> 03:01:43,359
point is interesting to me. I don't I

4334
03:01:43,359 --> 03:01:44,560
didn't actually think about it that way,

4335
03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:47,840
but is the authority having jurisdiction

4336
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:52,880
for OCM, the town or the state?

4337
03:01:52,880 --> 03:01:56,000
>> No, we have we don't have authority. No,

4338
03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:57,840
I just pointed out that it's not our

4339
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:02,160
decision. Um, we just we just need to do

4340
03:02:02,160 --> 03:02:04,800
our due diligence, which is to have our

4341
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:07,439
CEO says, "Yes, it's okay that they do

4342
03:02:07,439 --> 03:02:09,920
that." And yes, what they're proposing

4343
03:02:09,920 --> 03:02:11,120
conforms.

4344
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:11,520
>> Mhm.

4345
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:13,600
>> See, what we're not anticipating is that

4346
03:02:13,600 --> 03:02:16,240
they Brandon comes back and says, "Well,

4347
03:02:16,240 --> 03:02:18,560
they can do it, but they have to do A,

4348
03:02:18,560 --> 03:02:21,680
B, C, and D, and this part of it they

4349
03:02:21,680 --> 03:02:23,120
can't do or whatever." And we're like,

4350
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:26,000
"Okay, well, wait, now what do we do?"

4351
03:02:26,000 --> 03:02:27,840
And so that's why I'm saying I think we

4352
03:02:27,840 --> 03:02:30,160
should convey our sentiment if we

4353
03:02:30,160 --> 03:02:32,960
haven't already. And then, you know, I

4354
03:02:32,960 --> 03:02:35,120
did ask Brendan about it today because I

4355
03:02:35,120 --> 03:02:36,800
reminded him that it was on the agenda

4356
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:38,640
and he said he was still waiting to hear

4357
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:41,760
back on certain matters, you know, the

4358
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:44,000
legal I think legal stuff cuz this is

4359
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:46,800
all new to us. I mean, could be could be

4360
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:49,040
really one of the worst rollouts in

4361
03:02:49,040 --> 03:02:52,479
state history um was cannabis and here

4362
03:02:52,479 --> 03:02:55,120
we are trying to figure it out. I mean,

4363
03:02:55,120 --> 03:02:57,120
I guess I guess that the the form,

4364
03:02:57,120 --> 03:02:59,279
right, is saying what it's asking for

4365
03:02:59,279 --> 03:03:00,399
us, right, is that the individual

4366
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:02,160
authorized to approve events on behalf

4367
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,479
of the belon municipality approving of

4368
03:03:04,479 --> 03:03:06,000
the events taking place in the location

4369
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:08,160
and the dates and times, right? I think

4370
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:10,319
that the discussion we had tonight is if

4371
03:03:10,319 --> 03:03:12,880
we hear back from Brandon that yeah,

4372
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:14,800
there's not an issue with this under our

4373
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:18,640
zoning, we're all like, yeah, go ahead.

4374
03:03:18,640 --> 03:03:20,399
We approve it. No problem. I don't say

4375
03:03:20,399 --> 03:03:21,680
we need to call another meeting. I think

4376
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:24,560
we can authorize you as the person to

4377
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:26,399
sign off on this if that's the answer we

4378
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:26,880
get.

4379
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:28,560
>> If we get a different answer, I think

4380
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:29,840
then maybe it's prudent to call the

4381
03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:31,920
meeting and have that discussion, but I

4382
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:33,920
don't see the need to call the meeting

4383
03:03:33,920 --> 03:03:35,359
just to say, "Yeah, the thing we all

4384
03:03:35,359 --> 03:03:36,000
agree on."

4385
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:37,439
>> But I would call a meeting if Brandon

4386
03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:39,279
comes back and says he has there's a

4387
03:03:39,279 --> 03:03:40,960
different is anything other if there's a

4388
03:03:40,960 --> 03:03:42,880
qualification where the answer's no.

4389
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:44,720
That's fair.

4390
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:44,800
I

4391
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:46,800
>> think we can live with that plan to hold

4392
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:49,359
the time that I can live with that.

4393
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:52,950
Yeah.

4394
03:03:52,960 --> 03:03:54,960
I think McKenna brings up a good point

4395
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:57,040
which is the liability. Well, you all

4396
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:00,560
agreed you didn't ask to see is there

4397
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:02,880
first aid is there, you know, whatever.

4398
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:04,479
Is there the normal things that you

4399
03:04:04,479 --> 03:04:07,120
would have at an expo?

4400
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:09,680
And this is Brandon's job is to

4401
03:04:09,680 --> 03:04:10,080
>> yeah,

4402
03:04:10,080 --> 03:04:11,760
>> you know, is this allowed by the site

4403
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:14,880
plan? You know, all of those things.

4404
03:04:14,880 --> 03:04:17,279
It's a one time

4405
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:21,990
maybe some decent insurance.

4406
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:23,359
The state's going to the state's going

4407
03:04:23,359 --> 03:04:25,200
to review the application as well,

4408
03:04:25,200 --> 03:04:27,040
right? We're just saying yes, you can

4409
03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:28,960
have an event. I don't think we need to

4410
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:32,160
over complicate it.

4411
03:04:32,160 --> 03:04:36,070
>> I'll make that motion.

4412
03:04:36,080 --> 03:04:38,080
to authorize Robert

4413
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:43,990
>> to authorize Robert to

4414
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:47,110
» um

4415
03:04:47,120 --> 03:04:47,760
» approve the

4416
03:04:47,760 --> 03:04:52,319
>> to approve the to approve um pending

4417
03:04:52,319 --> 03:04:54,640
zoning review.

4418
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:59,429
>> Um

4419
03:04:59,439 --> 03:05:02,479
wait, can we just backtrack a little

4420
03:05:02,479 --> 03:05:05,520
bit? So the motion is to authorize the

4421
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:09,520
town supervisor if I may um not name the

4422
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:12,479
town supervisor to

4423
03:05:12,479 --> 03:05:15,840
um submit the form

4424
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:18,160
to OCM

4425
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:21,120
under the condition that

4426
03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:24,160
the um

4427
03:05:24,160 --> 03:05:27,840
>> zoning officer

4428
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:31,520
approves of the event as described.

4429
03:05:31,520 --> 03:05:33,760
Beautiful.

4430
03:05:33,760 --> 03:05:34,800
That's my motion.

4431
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:35,120
>> All right,

4432
03:05:35,120 --> 03:05:36,960
>> I'll second that.

4433
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:40,880
>> All right, further discussion.

4434
03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:42,880
>> All in favor? Okay.

4435
03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:47,920
>> I

4436
03:05:47,920 --> 03:05:52,630
right. Um

4437
03:05:52,640 --> 03:05:53,680
» Deanna.

4438
03:05:53,680 --> 03:05:57,030
>> Oh, yes.

4439
03:05:57,040 --> 03:06:00,000
It's it's near it's near heresy that we

4440
03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:02,479
left the pets to the la to the near

4441
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:03,840
last.

4442
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:06,560
>> We'll get to the bridge again.

4443
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:07,600
>> We'll cross that bridge.

4444
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:10,710
>> All right.

4445
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:13,439
» So, just a very quick explanation. This

4446
03:06:13,439 --> 03:06:17,359
is new. This is

4447
03:06:17,359 --> 03:06:20,000
>> the law was passed like last year, but

4448
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:22,160
um

4449
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:26,560
>> we I already updated my system, but um

4450
03:06:26,560 --> 03:06:30,160
on renewal, dog renewal license, um we

4451
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:33,680
have to add an option for people to

4452
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:37,359
contribute to a shelter of our choice,

4453
03:06:37,359 --> 03:06:41,200
>> um whatever we choose. And then annually

4454
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:44,560
it'll show up on my report but annually

4455
03:06:44,560 --> 03:06:46,640
um it'll show up on my report as people

4456
03:06:46,640 --> 03:06:49,520
contribute monthly but annually we will

4457
03:06:49,520 --> 03:06:51,920
pay the shelter whatever has been

4458
03:06:51,920 --> 03:06:52,880
collected right

4459
03:06:52,880 --> 03:06:55,600
>> is the is the amount uh like a fixed

4460
03:06:55,600 --> 03:06:56,000
amount

4461
03:06:56,000 --> 03:06:56,960
>> they have a choice

4462
03:06:56,960 --> 03:06:59,439
>> you have a choice whatever you want when

4463
03:06:59,439 --> 03:07:00,880
you go to a restaurant and they say

4464
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:02,319
would you like to contribute to the

4465
03:07:02,319 --> 03:07:06,640
hungry and then you pick a whatever 10.

4466
03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:08,240
>> Yeah. But does the state set those

4467
03:07:08,240 --> 03:07:10,479
amounts? Okay.

4468
03:07:10,479 --> 03:07:12,240
>> That's up to I mean I I was just going

4469
03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:15,920
to do five 10 and then a blank to put

4470
03:07:15,920 --> 03:07:17,680
what Yeah.

4471
03:07:17,680 --> 03:07:20,479
>> Um you know or whatever if you think it

4472
03:07:20,479 --> 03:07:22,000
should be less. But I feel like people

4473
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:23,040
if they're going to do it if they're

4474
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:24,000
going to do it

4475
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:26,560
>> but we do have to name a shelter

4476
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:29,600
>> um they can't they can't do a write in.

4477
03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:31,760
>> So um

4478
03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:35,910
>> so okay

4479
03:07:35,920 --> 03:07:40,479
» no that's so The ask is yeah the ask is

4480
03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:42,080
for you to to come up with a

4481
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:45,840
recommendation in talking with uh maybe

4482
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:48,399
Patricia and maybe

4483
03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:51,200
you know take a look at I know the ASPCA

4484
03:07:51,200 --> 03:07:54,960
is going through the transition

4485
03:07:54,960 --> 03:07:55,760
a lot of dogs.

4486
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:56,160
>> What's that?

4487
03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:58,560
>> Olster SPCA takes a lot of dogs.

4488
03:07:58,560 --> 03:08:01,120
>> I know. Yeah, that's that was my

4489
03:08:01,120 --> 03:08:01,359
thought.

4490
03:08:01,359 --> 03:08:03,680
>> Um, so maybe come up with a

4491
03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:05,920
recommendation of a couple of places we

4492
03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:07,600
might consider because we do have to

4493
03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:09,200
identify the shelter,

4494
03:08:09,200 --> 03:08:09,760
>> right?

4495
03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:12,479
>> Like not for profits that you I I just

4496
03:08:12,479 --> 03:08:15,120
don't know any off the top of my head. I

4497
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:17,200
didn't really

4498
03:08:17,200 --> 03:08:18,479
>> She would probably know.

4499
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:19,760
>> Yeah. So maybe if you could have a

4500
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:21,279
conversation with her.

4501
03:08:21,279 --> 03:08:23,680
>> Did you phone me her number?

4502
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:24,640
>> I did.

4503
03:08:24,640 --> 03:08:26,399
>> It's on the website. I can do it's on

4504
03:08:26,399 --> 03:08:27,680
the website but I can also

4505
03:08:27,680 --> 03:08:31,040
>> but the question I have is on the form

4506
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:32,720
is it going to be fixed let's say we

4507
03:08:32,720 --> 03:08:34,319
come up can come

4508
03:08:34,319 --> 03:08:35,040
>> it's going to be fixed

4509
03:08:35,040 --> 03:08:36,080
>> it's just going to be one

4510
03:08:36,080 --> 03:08:37,439
>> there's only one choice

4511
03:08:37,439 --> 03:08:39,520
>> they can't do it right in it's just that

4512
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:43,040
and it's going to say it on the license

4513
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:46,000
on the renewal there's a spot where I'm

4514
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:48,880
going to be having that printed in the

4515
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:50,160
you know

4516
03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:52,800
>> donation optional donation to

4517
03:08:52,800 --> 03:08:54,800
>> such and such and the the resolution

4518
03:08:54,800 --> 03:08:58,240
shows that too. And then it'll be like 5

4519
03:08:58,240 --> 03:09:01,359
10 or other.

4520
03:09:01,359 --> 03:09:03,600
It's just an option. Like I I don't know

4521
03:09:03,600 --> 03:09:09,120
why they're doing it, but we have to um

4522
03:09:09,120 --> 03:09:09,920
follow.

4523
03:09:09,920 --> 03:09:11,520
>> But the shelter doesn't have to be in

4524
03:09:11,520 --> 03:09:12,720
Duchess County.

4525
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:14,880
>> No. No, it doesn't. I mean, it it

4526
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:17,120
doesn't have to be. It's it's local.

4527
03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:18,800
Some people are doing Duchess County

4528
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:22,080
SPCA like south of here, but others I

4529
03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:24,319
think have done like like Hudson Valley

4530
03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:26,560
Rescue like I don't remember the names,

4531
03:09:26,560 --> 03:09:27,760
but like Hudson Valley.

4532
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:30,000
>> There's a few choices. I'll find

4533
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:34,080
>> the local like Yeah. shelters.

4534
03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:34,800
>> Okay.

4535
03:09:34,800 --> 03:09:37,680
>> But it does not be in the county.

4536
03:09:37,680 --> 03:09:38,960
>> All right.

4537
03:09:38,960 --> 03:09:40,479
>> Just local.

4538
03:09:40,479 --> 03:09:41,520
>> Okay.

4539
03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:42,479
>> Um

4540
03:09:42,479 --> 03:09:44,800
>> so that would be Thank you. Resolution.

4541
03:09:44,800 --> 03:09:46,160
Yeah, there are a couple of blanks in

4542
03:09:46,160 --> 03:09:47,600
that. Okay, if you want to take a look

4543
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:49,760
at them, maybe come back to us in

4544
03:09:49,760 --> 03:09:52,160
>> September. So, yeah, we're not having a

4545
03:09:52,160 --> 03:09:52,960
meeting.

4546
03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:53,279
>> Well,

4547
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:54,319
>> in September,

4548
03:09:54,319 --> 03:09:56,319
>> let's we'll handle that after the

4549
03:09:56,319 --> 03:09:57,920
bridge.

4550
03:09:57,920 --> 03:09:59,359
>> You know what? We already sent out our

4551
03:09:59,359 --> 03:10:02,160
renewals for this past month. So,

4552
03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:02,720
>> yeah,

4553
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:04,720
>> if they go out in September, as long as

4554
03:10:04,720 --> 03:10:06,880
we're working on this, we're we're in

4555
03:10:06,880 --> 03:10:08,960
compliant. you know, we're not I mean, I

4556
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:12,640
already have it updated on my system, so

4557
03:10:12,640 --> 03:10:16,560
it already has a a blank there. So, you

4558
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:18,960
know, I'll just finish it off once we

4559
03:10:18,960 --> 03:10:23,680
decide once you decide what shelter one,

4560
03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:25,040
you know, decide.

4561
03:10:25,040 --> 03:10:25,439
>> Okay.

4562
03:10:25,439 --> 03:10:27,359
>> To donate to.

4563
03:10:27,359 --> 03:10:28,800
>> Do you know if we have the ability to

4564
03:10:28,800 --> 03:10:30,880
change that option at some point after

4565
03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:33,279
we set it or is it something that the

4566
03:10:33,279 --> 03:10:35,439
question before?

4567
03:10:35,439 --> 03:10:37,359
>> I think so. I think you can designate a

4568
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:38,880
will. It's just you have to have

4569
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:39,840
identified,

4570
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:41,920
>> right? Maybe like after a year.

4571
03:10:41,920 --> 03:10:42,399
>> Yeah.

4572
03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:43,680
>> The concept is

4573
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:45,279
>> we're going to want to change if we make

4574
03:10:45,279 --> 03:10:46,960
a decision. It's more just a question

4575
03:10:46,960 --> 03:10:48,000
of, you know,

4576
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:49,760
>> Yeah. Maybe you decide to change it at a

4577
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:50,399
different time.

4578
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:52,640
>> Yeah. The concept is that before

4579
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:54,479
somebody

4580
03:10:54,479 --> 03:10:56,399
donates, they need to know who they're

4581
03:10:56,399 --> 03:10:59,279
donating. That's

4582
03:10:59,279 --> 03:10:59,920
>> okay.

4583
03:10:59,920 --> 03:11:01,680
>> Yes. So, September.

4584
03:11:01,680 --> 03:11:02,399
>> Okay. Good.

4585
03:11:02,399 --> 03:11:03,600
>> September for the pets.

4586
03:11:03,600 --> 03:11:05,359
>> Well, I'll probably get two before that.

4587
03:11:05,359 --> 03:11:06,880
Yeah, that's fine. But for like the

4588
03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:08,800
resolution to choose because then my

4589
03:11:08,800 --> 03:11:11,600
renewals will go out September or we can

4590
03:11:11,600 --> 03:11:13,600
do it for October.

4591
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:15,200
>> Resolution number.

4592
03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:17,120
>> Well, we're not going to do it tonight.

4593
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:18,080
>> Oh, we're not doing this.

4594
03:11:18,080 --> 03:11:20,800
>> No, cuz you got you got to come with a

4595
03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:22,319
recommendation. We got to fill in the

4596
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:25,279
>> blank.

4597
03:11:25,279 --> 03:11:27,120
>> No, the whole thing.

4598
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:28,880
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. I know.

4599
03:11:28,880 --> 03:11:30,240
>> I'm sorry about the bridge. I'm moving

4600
03:11:30,240 --> 03:11:30,720
on.

4601
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:33,279
>> Yeah.

4602
03:11:33,279 --> 03:11:35,359
You're tired.

4603
03:11:35,359 --> 03:11:37,040
So, we're not we're not going to take

4604
03:11:37,040 --> 03:11:38,720
action on the bond resolution cuz

4605
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:40,160
there's no numbers in the bond

4606
03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:42,160
resolution. The reason there's no number

4607
03:11:42,160 --> 03:11:44,720
is because we still have to resolve that

4608
03:11:44,720 --> 03:11:48,800
one question which is are we going to um

4609
03:11:48,800 --> 03:11:51,760
maybe change any of the materials and

4610
03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:55,200
subsequently to the discussion

4611
03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:57,920
um that we had on this I've been in

4612
03:11:57,920 --> 03:12:00,000
touch with do

4613
03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:03,120
and so I'm pleased to report it to you

4614
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:08,560
all but I'm going to report it to the public that we are going to get uh

4615
03:12:08,560 --> 03:12:11,920
another allocation of 5 $17,000

4616
03:12:11,920 --> 03:12:15,040
towards this bridge project.

4617
03:12:15,040 --> 03:12:19,520
So, we will be in a better position

4618
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:23,439
to entertain.

4619
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:24,960
>> We're going out to bid again in

4620
03:12:24,960 --> 03:12:26,880
September, right? We decided that at a

4621
03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:28,160
previous meeting,

4622
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:30,560
>> we were advised to do so by those

4623
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:34,240
engineers, HVEA. They sent us some

4624
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:37,040
alternatives which

4625
03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:38,640
>> um

4626
03:12:38,640 --> 03:12:40,720
>> like value engineering alternatives.

4627
03:12:40,720 --> 03:12:42,720
>> Well, you saw the stamp concrete stuff

4628
03:12:42,720 --> 03:12:44,160
and all that stuff.

4629
03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:45,439
>> Um

4630
03:12:45,439 --> 03:12:47,359
>> so, you know, I don't know how others

4631
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:49,760
felt. I wasn't all excited about that

4632
03:12:49,760 --> 03:12:51,359
block. I mean, I think I would prefer

4633
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:56,960
actually just continuing the the uh

4634
03:12:56,960 --> 03:13:01,680
open part of the bridge before that. Um,

4635
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:04,880
>> guard rail is not so attractive.

4636
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:07,600
>> So, I uh

4637
03:13:07,600 --> 03:13:11,120
wonder now that we have $57,000

4638
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:14,240
and more if we want to keep the specs

4639
03:13:14,240 --> 03:13:15,920
the way they are, if we want to make

4640
03:13:15,920 --> 03:13:22,000
some value engineering changes. So, what are your what are your thoughts?

4641
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:23,120
>> Um,

4642
03:13:23,120 --> 03:13:25,120
>> I mean knowing that we need to decide by

4643
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:25,760
September

4644
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:27,120
>> by September, right?

4645
03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:29,760
>> By the first September meeting. the

4646
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:33,040
timing, right?

4647
03:13:33,040 --> 03:13:35,040
>> Well, you got time to design something.

4648
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:37,040
>> Well, no. I mean, I looked I looked at

4649
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:38,239
>> Well, we've been talking about this for

4650
03:13:38,239 --> 03:13:40,239
a few months again, so I want to I want

4651
03:13:40,239 --> 03:13:41,680
to remind everybody that, right?

4652
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:42,399
>> Valid.

4653
03:13:42,399 --> 03:13:45,040
>> I mean,

4654
03:13:45,040 --> 03:13:46,880
>> if there's no difference between making

4655
03:13:46,880 --> 03:13:49,200
a decision now and making a decision in

4656
03:13:49,200 --> 03:13:51,359
September, then I would say let's make

4657
03:13:51,359 --> 03:13:53,760
the decision in September. If it's I

4658
03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:59,359
mean, I looked at it. It's an important bridge. It's like it's

4659
03:13:59,359 --> 03:14:02,960
going to be very sensitive to to

4660
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:05,439
>> Yeah, we have public info sessions with

4661
03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:06,399
our neighbors.

4662
03:14:06,399 --> 03:14:06,880
>> Believe it,

4663
03:14:06,880 --> 03:14:11,279
>> right? All that stuff. Um

4664
03:14:11,279 --> 03:14:13,200
>> I think it should be nice.

4665
03:14:13,200 --> 03:14:15,840
I agree. I mean,

4666
03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:17,040
>> that's what the neighbors have asked.

4667
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:17,840
Now,

4668
03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:21,840
>> now you know this is the considerations

4669
03:14:21,840 --> 03:14:23,600
the the the joy of being in these

4670
03:14:23,600 --> 03:14:27,279
positions and we heard about you know

4671
03:14:27,279 --> 03:14:29,120
groups of taxpayers, groups of

4672
03:14:29,120 --> 03:14:32,080
residents, these paying for those and so

4673
03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:34,239
on and so forth. And so the argument on

4674
03:14:34,239 --> 03:14:36,800
the other hand, again I'm not siding one

4675
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:39,760
way or the other, is hey this is a small

4676
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:41,920
bridge used by just a portion of people

4677
03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:44,800
in London acres primarily and why should

4678
03:14:44,800 --> 03:14:48,319
the whole town pay for a stone facade,

4679
03:14:48,319 --> 03:14:49,920
right? That's the other argument I've

4680
03:14:49,920 --> 03:14:50,720
heard.

4681
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:52,399
>> It's a through. It's a through road

4682
03:14:52,399 --> 03:14:54,640
though. It's not like a dead end street.

4683
03:14:54,640 --> 03:14:55,520
And

4684
03:14:55,520 --> 03:14:57,279
>> there's a couple ways to go around.

4685
03:14:57,279 --> 03:15:00,479
Look, I I side I side with with

4686
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:02,479
>> Kenny on this one. Yeah, of course. by

4687
03:15:02,479 --> 03:15:04,160
side with, you know, we did a lot of

4688
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:06,080
work getting input from the public and

4689
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:07,760
the community.

4690
03:15:07,760 --> 03:15:11,040
>> And um to the extent we can afford to

4691
03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:13,920
honor that, we should. And with another

4692
03:15:13,920 --> 03:15:16,880
half million dollars, I'm not so sure

4693
03:15:16,880 --> 03:15:18,399
that that's going to be a problem. I

4694
03:15:18,399 --> 03:15:21,040
mean, I you know, um

4695
03:15:21,040 --> 03:15:22,560
>> from your mouth,

4696
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:24,880
>> too. I No, I mean, listen, you we put it

4697
03:15:24,880 --> 03:15:28,880
out for bid. The bid we got before was

4698
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:30,720
acceptable. It's just I mean in

4699
03:15:30,720 --> 03:15:33,760
moneywise but not it didn't meet certain

4700
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:34,800
>> but we only got one

4701
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:37,200
>> and we only got one but I I I guess my

4702
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:37,680
point is

4703
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:39,439
>> well I hope we get good bids.

4704
03:15:39,439 --> 03:15:45,680
>> Yeah. I mean I want more bids but I I I don't have a high concern

4705
03:15:45,680 --> 03:15:47,760
>> especially now that we have more money.

4706
03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:48,560
Uh

4707
03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:49,520
>> I don't know. I don't

4708
03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:52,000
>> you know the cheapest day to build

4709
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:53,439
anything yesterday. It

4710
03:15:53,439 --> 03:15:54,800
>> was yesterday. Yeah. But we're not

4711
03:15:54,800 --> 03:15:56,239
asking for a we're not ask for a

4712
03:15:56,239 --> 03:15:59,760
goldplated bridge right you know. Yeah.

4713
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:01,760
>> Is there anything preventing us from uh

4714
03:16:01,760 --> 03:16:04,640
putting the alternative into the RFP the

4715
03:16:04,640 --> 03:16:06,720
>> putting putting an alternative

4716
03:16:06,720 --> 03:16:09,040
>> the stamp concrete as alternative to or

4717
03:16:09,040 --> 03:16:10,319
something like that?

4718
03:16:10,319 --> 03:16:12,239
>> I wouldn't I think it's going to be bad.

4719
03:16:12,239 --> 03:16:13,120
I mean

4720
03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:14,640
>> yes there's a downside

4721
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:16,800
>> which is tot

4722
03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:19,279
has to approve any changes that we made.

4723
03:16:19,279 --> 03:16:21,680
What about a design like, you know, not

4724
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:24,080
stamped concrete, but you know, a nice

4725
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:27,040
finished concrete with a nice slate cap

4726
03:16:27,040 --> 03:16:28,239
on top

4727
03:16:28,239 --> 03:16:30,160
>> instead of the whole thing being stone.

4728
03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:33,359
At least it's not this guard rail, but

4729
03:16:33,359 --> 03:16:37,520
it's a, you know, you know, like 2 in.

4730
03:16:37,520 --> 03:16:41,760
>> I do the same thing. Yeah. So my opinion

4731
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:46,160
is is my opinion is that the the design

4732
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:48,319
like I was looking at it not from a

4733
03:16:48,319 --> 03:16:49,920
perspective of like critiquing the

4734
03:16:49,920 --> 03:16:51,920
design because I believe that that has

4735
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:53,520
already gone through its process and

4736
03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:56,319
that's very important but like are there

4737
03:16:56,319 --> 03:16:58,479
any other aspects like are the culvert

4738
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:00,399
sized right? Are the are the footings

4739
03:17:00,399 --> 03:17:02,399
like is it is it overengineered in a way

4740
03:17:02,399 --> 03:17:04,399
that we could pull back on any on

4741
03:17:04,399 --> 03:17:06,640
anything that wouldn't affect the design

4742
03:17:06,640 --> 03:17:10,080
intent. It would take more time to go

4743
03:17:10,080 --> 03:17:12,000
through that and a lot of times it costs

4744
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:14,720
more in in engineering fees to make the

4745
03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:16,720
revisions than you're gonna get in

4746
03:17:16,720 --> 03:17:18,160
savings. So,

4747
03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:19,840
>> you're going to push it a whole another

4748
03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:20,160
year.

4749
03:17:20,160 --> 03:17:22,080
>> I mean, when we when we received that 6

4750
03:17:22,080 --> 03:17:24,319
ines of rain a week or so ago, what did

4751
03:17:24,319 --> 03:17:26,000
it look like there?

4752
03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:27,840
>> Funny you should mention it because your

4753
03:17:27,840 --> 03:17:35,120
town supervisor drives around town and documents all the flying and it was

4754
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:37,520
such a hyper local event, you know. I'm

4755
03:17:37,520 --> 03:17:39,600
sure you read that Kinder Hook broke

4756
03:17:39,600 --> 03:17:42,239
records with 11 in and whatever. I

4757
03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:43,600
believe had more than whatever.

4758
03:17:43,600 --> 03:17:45,439
>> So, what did you drive by that bridge?

4759
03:17:45,439 --> 03:17:46,800
>> I have pictures of the bridge.

4760
03:17:46,800 --> 03:17:47,200
>> Oh,

4761
03:17:47,200 --> 03:17:49,279
>> I have pictures of the bridge. That

4762
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:51,760
bridge. I have pictures of Stony Brook.

4763
03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:54,560
I have pictures of Sound.

4764
03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:54,960
>> Okay.

4765
03:17:54,960 --> 03:17:57,840
I have all that because that's

4766
03:17:57,840 --> 03:17:59,359
>> what that particular

4767
03:17:59,359 --> 03:18:02,800
>> and interestingly enough the bridge that

4768
03:18:02,800 --> 03:18:05,920
we were placed on Stonybrook was having

4769
03:18:05,920 --> 03:18:08,239
a hard time keeping up and we had

4770
03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:09,439
widened it.

4771
03:18:09,439 --> 03:18:12,160
>> Remember that bridge

4772
03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:12,640
widen it

4773
03:18:12,640 --> 03:18:13,680
>> the Stony Brook Bridge

4774
03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:16,080
>> Stony Brook

4775
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:17,279
took feels like it took forever.

4776
03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:19,920
>> The old Peter hanging out there right by

4777
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:22,960
the Stony Brook and Sang St.

4778
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:25,840
S. Oh,

4779
03:18:25,840 --> 03:18:28,319
>> I basically had to read the the the

4780
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:29,439
supports.

4781
03:18:29,439 --> 03:18:31,439
>> Um, that was a having a hard time

4782
03:18:31,439 --> 03:18:35,359
keeping up the amount of water that cuz,

4783
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:38,560
right, the Stony Creek comes from the

4784
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:38,960
north.

4785
03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:39,520
>> Right. Right. Right.

4786
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:40,960
>> And there was all that water from the

4787
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:43,840
north, German town, right? And our

4788
03:18:43,840 --> 03:18:46,080
boater had lakefront property. Couldn't

4789
03:18:46,080 --> 03:18:47,840
get out. She needed somebody to pick her

4790
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:51,439
up. Um,

4791
03:18:51,439 --> 03:18:53,920
>> the salt kill bridge. And that one was

4792
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:55,520
keeping up for the moment.

4793
03:18:55,520 --> 03:18:56,880
>> The one in

4794
03:18:56,880 --> 03:18:59,520
>> Yes. But but you have to remember, you

4795
03:18:59,520 --> 03:19:02,000
know, you know, soils and hydro soils

4796
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:04,239
and water, you know, as as good as

4797
03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:07,359
anybody. Um, we had tremendous amounts

4798
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:09,600
of rain. Not nearly what Tiboly had, not

4799
03:19:09,600 --> 03:19:12,000
nearly what Germans had, not nearly what

4800
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:14,800
Kinderhook, but what we did have was

4801
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:17,359
dryness previous to that. So, it was

4802
03:19:17,359 --> 03:19:19,439
able to absorb a fair amount, right?

4803
03:19:19,439 --> 03:19:22,000
>> So, it really wasn't a good indication.

4804
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:23,920
Let's see in April if we get one of

4805
03:19:23,920 --> 03:19:25,920
those rains what that's like.

4806
03:19:25,920 --> 03:19:27,600
>> What it look like when Harvard kind of

4807
03:19:27,600 --> 03:19:28,640
Irene hit.

4808
03:19:28,640 --> 03:19:29,279
>> Yes.

4809
03:19:29,279 --> 03:19:31,279
>> Cuz that dumped like 14 in.

4810
03:19:31,279 --> 03:19:33,520
>> Well, it was it was Irene and late and

4811
03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:36,560
that was why we had the devastation.

4812
03:19:36,560 --> 03:19:38,880
>> Sandy.

4813
03:19:38,880 --> 03:19:42,000
>> Well, Sandy was south. I'm talking

4814
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:43,600
>> Danny came up the Hudson though, didn't

4815
03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:45,840
>> Yeah, but Irene put dump my water then.

4816
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:46,720
>> Oh, he did.

4817
03:19:46,720 --> 03:19:48,479
>> Yeah.

4818
03:19:48,479 --> 03:19:53,279
Sandy. What what was your what was your bottom line though?

4819
03:19:53,279 --> 03:19:55,279
>> That way it held up. You said

4820
03:19:55,279 --> 03:19:57,520
>> that it held up but I think it it held

4821
03:19:57,520 --> 03:19:59,040
up

4822
03:19:59,040 --> 03:20:01,680
because remember the sawill comes from a

4823
03:20:01,680 --> 03:20:02,960
very different place than where the

4824
03:20:02,960 --> 03:20:06,399
stony comes from. So that hyper local

4825
03:20:06,399 --> 03:20:07,920
event

4826
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:10,720
>> was a huge difference between well you

4827
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:13,600
saw the damage photos in Germantown

4828
03:20:13,600 --> 03:20:17,750
right?

4829
03:20:17,760 --> 03:20:19,520
So, um,

4830
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:21,120
>> so don't think

4831
03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:24,160
>> if I understand where we are, consensus

4832
03:20:24,160 --> 03:20:27,200
is we're going to continue with the

4833
03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:29,279
specs the way they are unless somebody

4834
03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:30,880
has a better idea that they want to

4835
03:20:30,880 --> 03:20:33,600
propose at the September meeting. Better

4836
03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:35,760
get me that idea quickly because it'll

4837
03:20:35,760 --> 03:20:38,000
need to be reviewed by DOT. And let me

4838
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:40,239
tell you, you're talking realistic. It's

4839
03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:41,600
not realistic. It's not realistic. We

4840
03:20:41,600 --> 03:20:42,560
should just approve it.

4841
03:20:42,560 --> 03:20:43,840
>> We should just send it back out.

4842
03:20:43,840 --> 03:20:46,640
>> Okay. So, we're going to let HVA know.

4843
03:20:46,640 --> 03:20:49,439
We're going to go out back to bid, same

4844
03:20:49,439 --> 03:20:52,640
specs, fingers crossed, hopefully more

4845
03:20:52,640 --> 03:20:55,279
contractors. Look, if we have to just

4846
03:20:55,279 --> 03:20:57,200
continue to reject bids till we get a

4847
03:20:57,200 --> 03:20:59,520
reasonable quote, then that's what we'll

4848
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:03,269
have to do.

4849
03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:05,439
» Is that a motion?

4850
03:21:05,439 --> 03:21:09,760
uh uh a motion to direct the supervisor

4851
03:21:09,760 --> 03:21:12,880
to communicate to HVA that we are not

4852
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:15,279
going to change the specs and that we

4853
03:21:15,279 --> 03:21:19,040
are prepared to go out for rebid at our

4854
03:21:19,040 --> 03:21:20,720
September

4855
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:23,830
18th.

4856
03:21:23,840 --> 03:21:25,680
» Did you make that motion?

4857
03:21:25,680 --> 03:21:28,319
>> Uh well I can't have a motion that

4858
03:21:28,319 --> 03:21:29,439
directs me. So moved.

4859
03:21:29,439 --> 03:21:30,160
>> What would you think?

4860
03:21:30,160 --> 03:21:31,200
>> Second.

4861
03:21:31,200 --> 03:21:32,160
>> Thank you.

4862
03:21:32,160 --> 03:21:34,080
>> Further discussion not all in favor?

4863
03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:34,479
Kenny.

4864
03:21:34,479 --> 03:21:34,880
>> Hi,

4865
03:21:34,880 --> 03:21:35,279
>> William.

4866
03:21:35,279 --> 03:21:36,479
>> Hi.

4867
03:21:36,479 --> 03:21:38,080
Christina.

4868
03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:38,640
>> Hi.

4869
03:21:38,640 --> 03:21:41,359
>> Thank you. Okay. Uh, I think we have

4870
03:21:41,359 --> 03:21:44,720
correspondence on her, but we got

4871
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:46,160
that was the housing committee stuff.

4872
03:21:46,160 --> 03:21:47,600
>> That was the housing stuff. We went

4873
03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:48,720
through that.

4874
03:21:48,720 --> 03:21:52,080
>> Did you have um before we go,

4875
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:55,120
>> don't forget to address the record on

4876
03:21:55,120 --> 03:21:55,520
there.

4877
03:21:55,520 --> 03:21:58,000
>> So, I don't have historic re on the

4878
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:04,080
agenda, but I sent that to you. Um,

4879
03:22:04,080 --> 03:22:06,960
I work on budget stuff year round and

4880
03:22:06,960 --> 03:22:13,110
I'm preparing the tenative budget

4881
03:22:13,120 --> 03:22:17,120
worksheets with the bookkeeper for the

4882
03:22:17,120 --> 03:22:18,640
departments. We'll be meeting with the

4883
03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:21,279
departments looking over all that stuff.

4884
03:22:21,279 --> 03:22:23,840
I need to do all of that in context of

4885
03:22:23,840 --> 03:22:26,000
any and everything that we might

4886
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:28,000
consider having in the budget so we

4887
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:30,319
understand what's available to us.

4888
03:22:30,319 --> 03:22:33,439
Historic Red Hook has asked for um some

4889
03:22:33,439 --> 03:22:35,840
funding support and it seems to me in

4890
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:37,760
year 250.

4891
03:22:37,760 --> 03:22:39,760
It's surprising that this is the first

4892
03:22:39,760 --> 03:22:43,040
year that they've done that

4893
03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:44,960
and they're a real asset to the

4894
03:22:44,960 --> 03:22:47,840
community, the Elmanorf

4895
03:22:47,840 --> 03:22:49,520
um

4896
03:22:49,520 --> 03:22:52,239
and so on and so forth, describing their

4897
03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:54,880
programs, their history series, their

4898
03:22:54,880 --> 03:22:57,680
speakers and whatever. Um, for folks at

4899
03:22:57,680 --> 03:22:59,680
home, a reminder, we provide the funding

4900
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:01,760
for the community center. We provide

4901
03:23:01,760 --> 03:23:04,319
funding for other entities, senior

4902
03:23:04,319 --> 03:23:06,319
services,

4903
03:23:06,319 --> 03:23:08,640
Red Hook response,

4904
03:23:08,640 --> 03:23:10,479
>> and it's just like 10 grand that they're

4905
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:13,439
looking for between 10 and 13,000. So,

4906
03:23:13,439 --> 03:23:15,840
if you would review that and let's come

4907
03:23:15,840 --> 03:23:20,160
back to this because I would like to if you are supportive, I would like to

4908
03:23:20,160 --> 03:23:23,840
create a budget line for this um because

4909
03:23:23,840 --> 03:23:25,279
I think it's such an important

4910
03:23:25,279 --> 03:23:27,120
institution

4911
03:23:27,120 --> 03:23:29,680
um in our community

4912
03:23:29,680 --> 03:23:32,960
>> and the budget is

4913
03:23:32,960 --> 03:23:35,120
in September, right?

4914
03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:36,560
>> Well, there's a whole series of

4915
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:39,200
deadlines, but I prepare the tenant of

4916
03:23:39,200 --> 03:23:40,720
each and every year for your

4917
03:23:40,720 --> 03:23:43,439
consideration and budget workshop and

4918
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:45,520
then we do move to preliminary that's

4919
03:23:45,520 --> 03:23:48,080
the public you'll get all that schedule

4920
03:23:48,080 --> 03:23:51,920
once you get your packet your booklet um

4921
03:23:51,920 --> 03:23:53,920
all will be laid out for you for the

4922
03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:56,239
timeline but it's good for me to know

4923
03:23:56,239 --> 03:23:58,800
which brings me to the next point which

4924
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:02,399
is the camp rising sun pool is going

4925
03:24:02,399 --> 03:24:05,359
really well people are finally like

4926
03:24:05,359 --> 03:24:07,840
knowing about it coming and do you know

4927
03:24:07,840 --> 03:24:10,960
there's no Canadian smoke there's no

4928
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:12,800
terrible storms MS although we could

4929
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:15,600
probably have had better weather. Um so

4930
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:18,800
it's people love it. Um they're starting

4931
03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:20,640
John and his reporter I think noted

4932
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:22,239
they're starting to use the trails as

4933
03:24:22,239 --> 03:24:24,720
well. It's it's been working out quite

4934
03:24:24,720 --> 03:24:28,560
well. So um I did uh ask Jill if it's an

4935
03:24:28,560 --> 03:24:31,600
option. Jill from uh the foundation if

4936
03:24:31,600 --> 03:24:33,200
it's an option for next year and she

4937
03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:35,600
said yes we'll always keep you in mind.

4938
03:24:35,600 --> 03:24:38,399
So that was kind of a non-committal but

4939
03:24:38,399 --> 03:24:38,960
um

4940
03:24:38,960 --> 03:24:41,680
>> it's not right for fiesta. No, it's not

4941
03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:44,399
that's not right. A first refusal, but

4942
03:24:44,399 --> 03:24:47,840
um so uh

4943
03:24:47,840 --> 03:24:49,680
you know, give me some guidance on that

4944
03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:51,760
if you would please because you know I

4945
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:54,399
would put the budget line in for that if

4946
03:24:54,399 --> 03:24:56,080
that's something you consider and then

4947
03:24:56,080 --> 03:24:57,680
if it didn't materialize, it did

4948
03:24:57,680 --> 03:25:00,399
materialize and the money would go uh in

4949
03:25:00,399 --> 03:25:02,080
a budget adjustment towards something

4950
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:06,080
else. I'm sure. Um

4951
03:25:06,080 --> 03:25:09,279
I think that's all I've got for now

4952
03:25:09,279 --> 03:25:11,359
before we leave. I'm standing up.

4953
03:25:11,359 --> 03:25:13,439
>> Stand up before we leave. It's not even

4954
03:25:13,439 --> 03:25:14,880
11:00.

4955
03:25:14,880 --> 03:25:17,359
>> Before we leave, um we do need to make a

4956
03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:19,359
motion, make ourselves available should

4957
03:25:19,359 --> 03:25:21,439
we need a special meeting, but a motion

4958
03:25:21,439 --> 03:25:25,439
to cancel the uh scheduled meeting for

4959
03:25:25,439 --> 03:25:28,160
August 26th. Did we get that right?

4960
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:29,279
>> Yes.

4961
03:25:29,279 --> 03:25:30,399
>> Did I get that wrong?

4962
03:25:30,399 --> 03:25:31,600
>> No, that's the correct date.

4963
03:25:31,600 --> 03:25:32,880
>> It's 26th. Y

4964
03:25:32,880 --> 03:25:34,239
>> Wednesday, August 26th.

4965
03:25:34,239 --> 03:25:36,080
>> Okay. Right.

4966
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,239
It was on the 25th. I probably would

4967
03:25:38,239 --> 03:25:44,150
meet miss that meeting wasn't me.

4968
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:46,720
» Okay.

4969
03:25:46,720 --> 03:25:48,080
>> Who's moving it?

4970
03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:51,990
>> Well, we're talking.

4971
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:52,479
» Thank you.

4972
03:25:52,479 --> 03:25:53,600
>> Cuz we've done these.

4973
03:25:53,600 --> 03:25:55,840
>> Thanks, Jacob.

4974
03:25:55,840 --> 03:25:58,080
>> All in favor?

4975
03:25:58,080 --> 03:25:59,760
>> Discussion. All in favor?

4976
03:25:59,760 --> 03:26:01,600
>> Yes.

4977
03:26:01,600 --> 03:26:05,429
I I I

4978
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:06,319
have a motion.

4979
03:26:06,319 --> 03:26:07,760
>> Have a good night.

4980
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:08,720
>> Good night.

4981
03:26:08,720 --> 03:26:10,399
>> Motion to adjourn.

4982
03:26:10,399 --> 03:26:12,640
>> Motion to Before we make a motion to

4983
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:14,000
adjourn.

4984
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:17,439
>> Uh good night all. Stay healthy. Enjoy

4985
03:26:17,439 --> 03:26:20,160
uh what's left of summer. We'll see you

4986
03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:23,359
back here on September 8th, if not

4987
03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:26,720
sooner. Um,

4988
03:26:26,720 --> 03:26:30,000
with that being said, uh, this future

4989
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:33,040
grandpa wishes you all good evening and

4990
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:35,279
a motion to close the meeting.

4991
03:26:35,279 --> 03:26:41,269
>> Second,

4992
03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:42,399
we're on the same page on that. Good

4993
03:26:42,399 --> 03:26:45,720
night all.