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» All right. Uh, I call to order the

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August 12th, 2026 Alb County Planning on

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Commissioners Regular Meeting. Um, roll

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call. Greg here. Ralph

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>> here.

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>> Barb

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>> here.

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>> Burn

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>> here. Can you hear me?

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>> We can hear you. And I'm here. record,

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we will note that Vern's in Spain right

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now.

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Okay, so we're all here. Um, move on to

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approval of the agenda. Is there anyone

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who would like to uh

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um move to amend the agenda or or also

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approve it?

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>> Uh, I would like to amend the agenda to

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add a discussion after we deal with

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everything about uh what we learned

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about data centers on the last few days.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> I second.

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>> All right. And uh we will do that if we

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approve this uh right above item six

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staff updates. Um so all those in favor

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>> That motion carries. Um may I have a

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motion to approve the minutes for July

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8th 2026?

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>> I move that we approve the minutes from

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last meeting. I read fine to me.

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>> Uh all those in favor say I.

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I that motion carries also. Uh Greg,

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do you have anything to disclose?

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>> None. Thank you.

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>> Barb,

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>> I will just mention that I had a

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friendly talk with Dr. Kuri

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um out at his storage site back in early

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June. Uh that was before I was aware of

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this application or the purchase of this

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property that we're going to take a look

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at later. Um and there were no conflicts

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of interest. Uh but I just want to

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mention that.

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Uh in that case, we will move on to the

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Kaduri zoning district amendment ZDA

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03-26. David.

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» Yeah, Mr. Chair

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>> Commission. Um Dr. Kaduri is the

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applicant for this um project. Um he's

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requesting to change 57 acres from

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ranchet to commercial. The location of

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this property is along Soldier Springs

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Road and Rosedale Road. Property is

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addressed 147 or 37 um Rosedale Road.

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The area includes a mix of ranch at

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commercial and agricultural zoning.

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commercial, and agricultural land uses

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in the area. Um the buildings on the

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south, there are buildings on the south

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end of the property and then there's a

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drainage that crosses the northeast um

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portion of the property.

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reviewed this. Um I'll just kind of go

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through the ones that stood out. Larry

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Rivers Conservation District, Martin

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Curry, senior resource specialist, um

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noted that land owners should take care

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to minim minimize disturbance of the

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property. Um, disturbed areas should be

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reclaimed quickly using native grass and

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shrub species.

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The Larman Rivers Conservation District

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can provide recommendations for

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appropriate native grass species and

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planting methods. And USDA soil web soil

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survey [snorts] information indicates

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that the lower elevation portions of the

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property are rated very limited for

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building development due to the shallow

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groundwater and seasonal surface water

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flows. I'm guessing is that's being

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talked about that northeast portion

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where that drainage goes across. Yeah.

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review was included. Um the Wyoming Game

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and Fish, Will Schultz, habitat

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protection supervisor, noted the areas

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outside of delineated crucial habitat.

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restricts big game or using of wildlife

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friendly fencing.

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Um he also noted to um mitigate any

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invasive species in the area to clean

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vehicles and equipment before

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construction and coordinate with the

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weeden pests to plan um on a plan to

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assess, treat and monitor invasive

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species.

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um provided comments as well

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recommending denial based on the future

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development

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um saying that the f future development

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of the property should follow a state

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residential future land use designation

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of lar growth area plan. Um, so my

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so the the commercial zoning district

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would allow uses that are compatible

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with the surrounding commercial

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development that's already in the area.

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a paved county road. Um, it's maintained

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by the county. Um, it's also in close

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proximity to Laramie, so that provides

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efficient access to emergency services.

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um the sheriff's office, all of that.

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the potential impacts associated with

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the zoning amendment, allowed uses are

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surrounding land uses, minimizing

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potential conflicts, and supporting a

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logical growth plan pattern.

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proposal is generally consistent with

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the comprehensive plan goals of economic

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development, growth, efficiency,

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commercial zoning would support

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additional business investment and

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potential expansion or exp potentially

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expand the county tax base. Um prior to

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growth area three is where this is

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located and identifies potential for

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small convenience orientated oriented

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commercial uses. Um also the rural rural

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commercial land use. The property has

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access to uh paved countymaintained road

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and is near future major arterial

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intersection. Domestic wells and small

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wastewater systems can provide um that

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those services that are needed for rural

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commercial development out there. The

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proposal also supports a logical

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expansion of commercial development is

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generally consistent with the intent of

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rural commercial designation.

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plan. So although the designation is

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estate residential, the property is

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adjacent to neighborhood commercial and

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would provide a logical extension of

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that area. um land use or that the

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proposed extens proposal extends an

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existing commercial development pattern

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commercial use and is compatible with

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um and would be happy to answer any

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>> Uh Mark, you have anything?

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is um proposing uh a few bathrooms uh

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for the septic system and not a dump

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station or anything like that as part of

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the the construction.

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um zoning. So that information would be

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provided at the time that they developed

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um the property and they built the

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buildings and and went that that way

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forward. My my assumption would be um

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and I'm not sure if applicant is here um

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is that they would use waste a small

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wastewater system a septic system um for

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domestic sewage that's created on the

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that is opposing this or send us a

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letter opposing this mentioned the need

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to empty uh the uh sewage storage within

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RVs that would be brought for storage.

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be a big uh require a big wastewater

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amendment, we're just considering

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considering a specific development or a

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specific land use, but really any land

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use that could potentially be within the

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commercial zoning district that any use

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certificate stage. So, and I would just

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follow up, you know, if if they went

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forward to develop something like that.

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county and potentially the state on on,

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you know, taking care of the the

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wastewater, but but yeah, as Matt said,

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permits started coming in, those are the

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>> Anything else, Barb?

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from the maps that

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57 acres so that the whole 57 acres will

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>> Um the opposing letter, if they're going

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to put up an 80 by 200 foot building, 20

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there's nothing saying they can't put up

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10 of those or 15 of those. And that

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seems to be the concern here. Is there a

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restriction on that or

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>> Well, they'll have to get a zoning

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certificate and go through that process.

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what the use whatever they're using it

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for has to conform to um the allowed

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standards in a commercial zoning

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district. Um if it doesn't, it may be a

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conditional use and then in that case

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they would come back to you. But if it is allowed, it would be just a

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zoning certificate to to do that. So

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they wouldn't have to come before you

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and and there really isn't a limitation.

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>> Thank you.

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Uh I don't have any questions. Um I just

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want to note uh that something you

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northeast corner if I right of the

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some sort of wetland.

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>> Um I just wondered about that. So is the

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applicant here or if it's

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representative?

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Uh in that case I'm going to suggest we

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table this uh for next month. Um, going

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back in time about a year ago, I'm not

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positive if I have the right application

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in mind, but I think it was a Wil

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wholesome application

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um, up north of town. Neither applicant

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or a representative was present. We went

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and considered that. After the fact, I

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thought that was the wrong decision that

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I should have moved to table it and and

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that's why I suggest we do now. So, is

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there a motion to dispose this for the

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time being? Uh, to table it. I motion

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that we table this for the time being.

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Is there a second?

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>> I second.

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>> I'll conduct a roll call vote then.

293
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>> Could we discuss the motion or is it

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table?

295
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>> Yes, we can. Absolutely.

296
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>> But I mean unless that's a nonable

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motion.

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>> Do you have something you want to say?

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>> Um we this is scheduled for public

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hearing. So you'll need to hear from the

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public before it's tabled.

302
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>> Okay. Fair enough. Um so we will hear

303
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from the public and then we'll we'll

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discuss the motion. I burn. Okay. Uh, we

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will conduct a public hearing now. So,

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any member of the public who is here who

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wishes to make a comment on this

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application, you may step forward.

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» I guess I'd like to ask some questions

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about it.

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>> Please step forward and tell us who you

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are and where you're from.

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>> Altha Garson. I have um property that's

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right just south of the radio station

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and borders this piece. have a large

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concern about this. Um, just with the

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amount of people and that that will be

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there. Bought a place so I could be out

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of town.

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I know you guys think there's no

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wildlife there. When I was living there,

322
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I rented out.

323
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>> Don't make any assumptions about that.

324
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>> Okay, [laughter]

325
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>> we might have very diverse opinions

326
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about whether wildlife out there or not.

327
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>> Rabbits, I mean,

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some antelope. There's wildlife on that

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place. And I think that if you go in and

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make it all concrete, you're going to

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take away their habitat.

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Um concerned about where they're going

333
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to put the sewage and water development.

334
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My water comes from a well, [snorts] and

335
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if they're going to have their sewer

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right there feeding into my water,

337
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that's not um ideal for for myself or

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the people living there.

339
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I guess just a lot of questions. I did

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read the letter on the on the um that

341
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they wrote and I know that they're going

342
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to start small and then build, but I

343
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never did understand which side they're

344
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going to start on. Are they going to

345
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start on the south or the west or

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» we can answer those questions for you? U

347
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if that's your comment.

348
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>> You can't answer those questions.

349
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>> No, we can't. Well, David, my comment

350
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>> Yeah, Mr. Chair, I would just say the

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proposal is to change the zoning of the

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property. So, there's not any

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development

354
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um proposal at this time. I mean, they mentioned it in their application,

355
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but the application is to change the

356
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zoning only. So, any development would

357
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be from further permits in the future.

358
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>> So, they will have to come through and

359
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ask you guys again. Um

360
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>> well, they'll come to Yeah. the planning

361
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department to ask about those things. um

362
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they'd have to get a permit for any

363
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wastewater or buildings on the property.

364
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>> It wouldn't necessarily have to be in

365
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the public form.

366
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>> So, this is my last chance to Can I Can

367
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I write a letter on opposing?

368
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>> Absolutely.

369
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>> So, just to the planning department.

370
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>> Yes. Yes.

371
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>> Thank you for your time.

372
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>> Thank you.

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>> Is there any other member of the public

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who wishes to comment? Please step

375
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forward. Okay. My name is Roger

376
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Schaefer. We're the owner of the

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property that KBB sits on, which is on

378
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the edge of this. Oh,

379
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>> okay. Right.

380
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>> And so we're uh the only concern we have

381
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uh we're in the process right now of

382
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renegotiate or renegotiating a lease

383
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with KB for another 5 years. The only

384
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concern we would have, you know, there's

385
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radio, there's towers there, right? And

386
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so we would be concerned about the

387
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transmission of the towers and and I

388
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have above my pay grade talk about

389
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whether whether it would be any effects

390
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on transmission or not. That would have

391
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to be something that you know the radio

392
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engineers or whatever could talk about.

393
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That would be our biggest concern just

394
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if that was a problem.

395
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>> Well, uh I'm glad you're here to express

396
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that concern because I'm sure Dave's

397
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paying attention. Okay, that's all I

398
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could say. Anyone else? Thank you, sir.

399
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Hearing and seeing no one else, uh, may

400
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I have a motion to close the public

401
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hearing?

402
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>> I move the close of public hearing.

403
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>> I second. Any further discussion? All

404
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those in favor say I.

405
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>> I.

406
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That motion carries. Okay. Burn. Uh,

407
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we will discuss our motion to table this

408
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until next month.

409
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>> Yeah. um uh assuming that the motion to

410
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table is debatable and I don't mean to

411
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debate it much but just to be to clarify

412
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the the way that sequence came down it

413
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was strongly implied that your motion to

414
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table was because the applicant neither

415
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the applicant nor his representative is

416
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there is that is that the intent of the

417
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tableing was

418
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correct

419
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>> okay just so then they're on notice to

420
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do that and then the public is on notice

421
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that we will take this up again and they

422
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should reappear and we will have a

423
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proper wide ranging debate if I

424
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understand correctly. Is that the idea?

425
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>> Okay. Thank you.

426
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>> Hey David,

427
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>> Dr. Kaduri is coming in the house.

428
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>> The house. Okay. Well, we've just been

429
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informed that Dr. Kaduri is on his way

430
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in. So,

431
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>> uh we will not get the move to

432
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>> Yeah. So, yeah. Very good.

433
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>> Back and forth.

434
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>> Formally withdraw the motion. Yeah, I'm

435
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withdrawing the motion.

436
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If we now hear from the applicant, does

437
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that mean we should reopen the public

438
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hearing again?

439
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>> I think you should.

440
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>> Okay, we'll do that. Very good. Um, so

441
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Dr. Guri, uh, we have heard staff u give

442
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the report and we have perhaps some

443
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questions for you.

444
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>> Okay. So, would you please have

445
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questions?

446
00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,640
>> Yeah. Um, and we will begin with.

447
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>> Thanks.

448
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Thank you. Uh my question is about

449
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actually the intent of 57 acres is a

450
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huge area. Um and I understand that you

451
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want to make it into a storage of boats

452
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and RVs and uh so on and so forth. And

453
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so uh have and and there is a wetland at

454
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the north uh um end of or south end of

455
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the property.

456
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>> The northeast side of the property.

457
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>> Yeah. Um so my question is you're aware

458
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of the fact that you may need

459
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>> a very large wastewater system there to

460
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deal with emptying RVs [snorts] and all

461
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that.

462
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>> Oh no, no. Like I don't plan on doing

463
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like an RV park or anything. My intent

464
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is to just store like like dry storage.

465
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That's my intent. Maybe one or two

466
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buildings with the steel buildings on

467
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the facing the soldier spring road that

468
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could be used more like indoor storage

469
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and uh like everything else should be

470
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just like dry storage like most of my

471
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friends in the city they park their

472
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stuff in the side of the streets and it

473
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becomes unsafe because when we are

474
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driving around we can't see who is

475
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crossing. So, I have several friends

476
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that requested to park stuff in the the

477
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15 acres and I can't say no to them. A

478
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lot of them are parking like like in

479
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that 15 acres. It's just overwhelming

480
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the situation. So, that's what I thought

481
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I should just like ask for permission if

482
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that's okay to park there instead of

483
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here. So, a lot of people are using that

484
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15 acres like the Skyland Bike Road, the one we built the steel buildings. I

485
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left a big parking lot there. Every time

486
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I go there, like there is like an RV and

487
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a boat and everything parked there. And

488
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I ask one of the tenants, okay, what

489
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who's is this? And they say, oh, one of

490
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my friends is begging to just park

491
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overnight and all that. So I I just felt

492
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like maybe if I don't overwhelm that

493
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space and use the other space if if

494
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approved by you guys would be better

495
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space than disturbing the businesses and

496
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all that that are currently running over

497
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the sky.

498
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>> Okay. Thank you.

499
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>> That's all.

500
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>> So you have no intention. Let's let's go

501
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,200
around. Oh, I'm sorry.

502
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Oh, maybe Barb,

503
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>> I don't have any questions.

504
00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:18,960
>> Um, Bernard,

505
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>> um, yeah, just a couple. When did you

506
00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,480
buy this property?

507
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,000
>> Uh, like around 3 months ago.

508
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,200
>> Oh, and and why did you buy it?

509
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,280
>> I just bought it as an investment. Like,

510
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,840
uh, like I want to park my money for my

511
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retirement.

512
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,799
>> Okay. Thank you.

513
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>> Great. So you don't have any you don't

514
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have any intention of having people come

515
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out there empty their

516
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>> No no no no

517
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>> they have to have that done before they

518
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,440
get there to

519
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760
>> yeah this is like storing stuff that

520
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,000
they don't use not parking in the city

521
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,280
streets instead I have at least like uh

522
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,559
10 people that are [clears throat] using

523
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the business park right now they are

524
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parking on the side like right now their

525
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,200
RVs and stuff

526
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,000
>> and uh like uh I don't want them to park

527
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,880
there and uh they said oh like we'll pay

528
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you and all that. I said 40 bucks a

529
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month or whatever, but I said, you know,

530
00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:15,919
it's just overwhelming because there's

531
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like 20 tenants using that 10 acres or 8

532
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:22,400
acres of space. I just thought this is

533
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,960
like reasonable to ask if if this is not

534
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,080
a big pain. And then I know there are a

535
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,400
few concerns from my neighbors. I would

536
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,960
like to also address their concerns

537
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,559
about um the gas stations and stuff. I

538
00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:39,120
have no intent of like signing up to

539
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,440
anything because I'm also busy doing

540
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,400
some things. I just don't want to run a

541
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,039
day-to-day business like operating there

542
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,799
sitting there full-time.

543
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,960
>> Me and my wife both are pediatricians.

544
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,320
We are very conservative in terms of not

545
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,400
disturbing the place. We always want to

546
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,840
leave a place better than what we found.

547
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,400
Never have intend to like cause trouble

548
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480
to the neighbors or anything. Yeah.

549
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,630
>> Yeah. Thank you.

550
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,285
uh I might have a question here. Um

551
00:22:12,285 --> 00:22:14,240
[clears throat]

552
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,679
and you I'm going to give you permission

553
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:16,960
to not have to answer this question if

554
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,039
you want to because we're actually only

555
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,880
supposed to be considering the zoning

556
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,919
itself, not any actual purpose, but

557
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:25,679
that's supposed to be a spectac purpose.

558
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:27,280
But you do have a site plan on your map.

559
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,640
And just so

560
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,280
>> again, [clears throat] you'll have to

561
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,200
answer this if you want to. Right now,

562
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,360
your intent is to build a building. And

563
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,280
then the site plan shows basically a

564
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,000
ring road that's a story. Correct. All

565
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,039
right. Well, thank you for answering

566
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,200
that. That's all I have.

567
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,919
>> Okay. Um

568
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:46,480
so, uh we will conduct another public

569
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,480
hearing for anyone who now that Dr.

570
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,400
Feduri is here would like to make a

571
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,240
comment again.

572
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,520
Do either the two people who spoke

573
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,070
earlier wish to speak again?

574
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,640
» Go ahead.

575
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,039
Sir,

576
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,760
>> I understand. However, you are allowed

577
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760
to make a comment. You're not here to

578
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,559
ask questions.

579
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,480
>> I can't ask questions.

580
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,360
>> Okay. If you want to go you need to go

581
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,559
up to them.

582
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,320
>> Um

583
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,640
I guess I'm I I live out there on

584
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,120
Soldier Springs just south of and excuse

585
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:19,360
me.

586
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,200
>> You have to address us.

587
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,039
>> Does you can come closer.

588
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:24,400
>> Well, I want him to be able to hear

589
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,760
because I am talking to him.

590
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,200
>> Well, I would ask you to stand up also.

591
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,080
Can I stand?

592
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,440
>> She'll be able to hear you.

593
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,039
>> Okay. Um just south of the um road

594
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,840
stations, my place. I'm concerned about

595
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,360
>> I'm sorry. Excuse me. I want you to

596
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,320
address the commission.

597
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,159
>> You have to address the commission by by

598
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:42,480
law.

599
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,159
>> I understand you want to talk to and

600
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:45,440
maybe he'll talk to you after the fact,

601
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,960
but you need to address us.

602
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,280
>> Okay. [clears throat] Concerned about um

603
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,280
the the wildlife that's in that area. Um

604
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,960
I guess the proximity of um just

605
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,320
everything. I um um if you're storing um

606
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,880
RVs, you're going to have some that are

607
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,919
dripping oil and some that are dripping

608
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,480
gas and um if they don't get everything

609
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,000
drained really good, they're going to be

610
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,559
draining septic. And I guess that's I

611
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,720
just concerned with the environment out

612
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,909
there and um the health of the soul.

613
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,000
>> Thank you.

614
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,760
Uh, in surveys, you also like to

615
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,310
interview.

616
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,799
» I'm Brad Schaer with Shaper Place LLC

617
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,960
and we actually, like I say, we have the

618
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,799
property of the radio station. We're

619
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,240
just mostly concerned of possible uh

620
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,400
building anything that might hinder the

621
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,159
transmission

622
00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:49,120
of the from the towers dependent upon

623
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,000
how close they are. uh the building

624
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,720
might be uh to those towers and uh

625
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,600
because we are negoti currently ne

626
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,320
renegotiating a lease with uh town

627
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,279
square media for another 5 years and we

628
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,440
want to make sure that we don't have

629
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,279
issues with the transmission of cuz all

630
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,720
of a sudden they built something that

631
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,320
might interfere with that and uh so

632
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480
that's kind of [clears throat] where we

633
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,799
stand with this thing as far our

634
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:22,000
concerns. So,

635
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,200
>> okay. Thank you again.

636
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,480
>> I have a question.

637
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,559
>> Sure. Yes.

638
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:31,600
>> Uh would you if the plan for the

639
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,159
development comes back and it shows that

640
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:39,440
you it won't hurt your operation, would

641
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,600
you have any objections to it? Well, the

642
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,360
one thing we don't know is we really,

643
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:47,360
like my brother said, uh we don't know

644
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,120
what would interfere with their

645
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,360
transmissions. I mean, if they built a

646
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,200
building real close there and it was and

647
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
they had towers on that building, would

648
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,720
that interfere with the transmission of

649
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760
there's three large radio towers there?

650
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,400
And and if it depend upon how close they

651
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,360
build, what they build, how high it is,

652
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,200
and everything. We don't know. You would

653
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,360
have to probably talk with Towns Square

654
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,360
Media. their engineers might have a

655
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,320
better idea what what might cause

656
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,120
problems with the their transmissions

657
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,919
and uh but uh you know we don't know I

658
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,400
mean we we own the property but but

659
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,279
those towers are what broadcast their

660
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,679
radio station and we don't know what

661
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:37,120
would potentially cause problems. Uh, so

662
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:42,080
I don't uh we we did inform them of this

663
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159
situation that it had been acquired and

664
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,960
they were trying to uh change it the

665
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,320
zoning on it to commercial and so we so

666
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,440
that they knew what was going on and I

667
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,200
don't know like I said I didn't know if

668
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,159
they would have a representative here to

669
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:01,039
uh state their case or not it either and

670
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,520
maybe maybe they will if we go further

671
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,520
with this or whatever. So,

672
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,400
>> well, I'll just say uh I'll suggest that

673
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,559
uh any concerns I may have and you may

674
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,080
have take them up with our plan

675
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,120
director.

676
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:13,520
>> Okay.

677
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,440
>> And uh you'd be the appropriate person

678
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,080
to discuss.

679
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,320
>> Yeah. I mean, like I say, we we're a

680
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,640
little lost with it. We're just kind of

681
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,559
helping. Like I say, we're in

682
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,400
negotiations with them, but we don't

683
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880
really know what it could how it could

684
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,273
affect them, if at all. But, um you

685
00:27:31,273 --> 00:27:32,480
[clears throat] know, so that's where we

686
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,600
stand. So,

687
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919
>> Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you.

688
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,520
>> Is there anyone else who would like to

689
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,669
make a comment?

690
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,760
» Uh, please come forward. Tell us who you

691
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,159
are.

692
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:47,919
>> Darren stays. Um, I wasn't really

693
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,360
planning on talking about this. This is

694
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,360
the first I heard about it, but I do own

695
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,799
property in the county and um, I have

696
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,559
had property in the county shared with

697
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,520
my mother since 2011 and I lived in

698
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,200
Laram. Was raised and born and raised in

699
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Laram. went to school here and now came

700
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000
back to the university. Since moving to

701
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080
the county and we only have a very small

702
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,600
portion of property, we've seen

703
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840
increasing development in the area and

704
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,360
it's not close to this. It's in a

705
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,679
different part of the county, but

706
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,919
accompanying any increasing development,

707
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:20,799
even private homes on as small as half

708
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,279
an acre, we've seen a radical increase

709
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:26,000
in invasive plants. And so I would

710
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,480
advocate um to be cautious about any new

711
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,360
development disturbances driving um

712
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,679
building because we've seen Russian

713
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:38,320
napweed, we've seen tumble weeds, we've

714
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,120
seen yellow toad flax. Um we

715
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,840
particularly live in our area because we

716
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,440
are trying to avoid exposure to

717
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,399
pesticides. My father died of pesticide

718
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:50,559
exposure. Um, and so we don't use

719
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,880
pesticides to combat the invasive

720
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
species, invasive plants on our

721
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,399
property. I go out every summer and I

722
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,039
hand pull and in 10 years it has

723
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,080
improved so much so that um, the county

724
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840
will threaten to come out and use

725
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,799
pesticides on my property. Um, I keep it

726
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,279
under control, but um, I would be

727
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,480
cautious of approving development that

728
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720
could increase that anywhere in our

729
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,799
counties. Thank you.

730
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,000
>> Is there anyone else who like to

731
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,870
comment?

732
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Thank you. So I did get this concern

733
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,279
about the radio towers uh from like one

734
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,760
of my friends and I did do some due

735
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,000
diligence of what would cause trouble

736
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720
and all that did speak to like one of

737
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
the radio engineers and he said since

738
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,600
this particular radio station broadcasts

739
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640
towards north and I don't own any

740
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,279
property towards the north so it should

741
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,600
not interfere anything but this is like

742
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,840
a preliminary kind of report I have And

743
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,159
like I said, I don't have any intention

744
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,799
to hurt anybody including my neighbors.

745
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,679
So I think I'll be reasonable to with

746
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:04,080
them not to build anything anywhere

747
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,399
close to any.

748
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,919
>> Okay. Thank you. Is there anyone else?

749
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,000
May close the public hearing.

750
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,159
>> I move we close public.

751
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:16,159
>> I second the motion. All those in favor

752
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:21,350
say I. I. I.

753
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Bern.

754
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,120
I I vote I also that motion carries.

755
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Okay. So, uh I believe now we are

756
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,799
prepared to discuss this item.

757
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,720
>> Bern, why don't you begin?

758
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,600
>> Um yeah, Mr. Chair, given that I'm

759
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,039
coming in remotely and sometimes I feel

760
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:40,880
a little fractured. I just I've kind of

761
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,399
prepared a statement. Is that

762
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:43,840
appropriate? I'll just go through that

763
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,679
and see where we and we actually hear

764
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:49,279
you quite well. So, uh that's good. Um u

765
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,279
I think the the the visual that goes

766
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,720
along with this is the zoning map and

767
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,720
that's what this is all about. So as far

768
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,240
as I don't know what you guys are seeing

769
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,919
but I'd like you to be looking at the

770
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,320
zoning map that was included in the

771
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
packet. Is that whether that needs to be

772
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,880
broadcast to all the rest of us or not

773
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,880
but does that make sense since that's

774
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,799
talk about those surrounding zones and

775
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,559
so forth. I was wondering if

776
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,000
>> Jory can you bring that map up?

777
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640
>> Yeah we'll do it bring that map up.

778
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480
>> Continue talking. uh as much as you can

779
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,840
anyway. And David's trying to bring that

780
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,480
up now.

781
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,510
>> Okay.

782
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,120
» Yeah. The one I'm thinking of is is

783
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,520
starts with Dr. Kadur's recently

784
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,440
reszoned property and then runs on south

785
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,549
through this one.

786
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,080
Yeah. Okay. Good. This is the one I want

787
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,440
to look at. Okay. So, um

788
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,679
just quick background. Planning and

789
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,080
zoning is about developing a long-term

790
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,679
vision for the county. That's the

791
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:47,279
planning part. and then turning that

792
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,279
into land use maps and regulations.

793
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,360
That's the zoning part. Our job here

794
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440
today is to advise the county commission

795
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,000
on the zoning part.

796
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Um, we also look at the specific plan,

797
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,120
we also look at specific land use

798
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,320
applications. That's not what we're

799
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,080
doing here, but like subdivisions and there all the heavy lifting is done

800
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
by our staff and the engineers make sure

801
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,399
that the grades of the road are correct

802
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,159
and that there's access to the acres and

803
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,000
the drainage has been discussed and so

804
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,279
forth. So most of the the assessment of

805
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,919
a of a specific application is done by

806
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:23,120
staff and u as long as the applicant is

807
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
within the parameters of their zoning we

808
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,240
have much much more restricted

809
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
discretion in terms of our approval to

810
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720
denial and my point of that is that is

811
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,480
the zoning decisions is really where the

812
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
rubber meets the road and that's the the

813
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,320
place where I think we were all

814
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,200
appointed to bring our our various

815
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,360
backgrounds and input into the advising

816
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,279
of the of the county commissioners. Um,

817
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,279
so we have a wide discretion in our

818
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,039
subjective judgments on how and where

819
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,640
the county guides development and

820
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720
there's no cookbook criteria or scoring

821
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,320
sheet that says you're in if this and

822
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,399
you're out if that. It is really largely

823
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:02,480
quite subjective in terms of how a

824
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,360
particular application uh conforms with

825
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,519
our our our land use plans. Um and and

826
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,399
so here we are talking about drawing

827
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:16,480
lines in the zoning. And the general

828
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,000
concept of zoning is that the county has

829
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,279
stood back and said we want to do

830
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:20,720
residential over here, we want to do

831
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,000
commercial over here, we want to do

832
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,159
industrial over there. And in order to advance the county development in in

833
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,000
an orderly and systematic way for the

834
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,039
welfare of our citizens, uh then if we

835
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,480
can draw a line, of course, you have to

836
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,080
decide where one land use stops and

837
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,600
another one starts. And and that's often a challenge. You got to

838
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,200
draw the line somewhere and that's true

839
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,799
of regulations and that's always

840
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,880
difficult but that is what is before us

841
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,039
in this application. So the first point

842
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,640
I'd make is one that we've emphasized

843
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
before. We are not being asked to

844
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,159
approve an RV storage facility within an

845
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:54,559
existing commercial zone. We are being

846
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,039
asked to redraw the existing line

847
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,039
between commercial land uses and

848
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,760
residential agricultural land uses to

849
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,080
move 57 acres from residential to

850
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320
commercial use. So, we should remind

851
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,040
ourselves that a commercial zoning, this

852
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,200
is picking up on a statement was made

853
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,159
earlier, allows by right and and you

854
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:15,679
don't get a second bite at the apple.

855
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,200
So, we don't get to say, "Oh, we didn't

856
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,960
really like that particular proposal. If

857
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359
it's within the parameters of the zone,

858
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:24,879
then then it's a it's one has the right

859
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:27,520
to do that with very little uh

860
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,599
modification from us. You look at our

861
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,599
land use table in commercial zones

862
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,240
includes recorder services. I'm just

863
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,079
quoting from the land use table. Bowling

864
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,040
alleys, nurseries, hotels, lumber yards,

865
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440
TV stations, supermarkets,

866
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,079
uh, vet clinics, RV parks, and not

867
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,800
necessarily RV storage facilities. Um,

868
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,119
and and all of that is what is then

869
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,480
encompassed within a commercial

870
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,879
designation. And all of that is what we

871
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,800
are potentially improving. Interesting

872
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,800
that Mr. Kaduri just bought this this

873
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,720
land three months ago. He could walk out

874
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,400
of the meeting today and and sell it to

875
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,400
someone with very very different plans.

876
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,880
So we need to make that decision based

877
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,359
on the zoning. Now where do we look for

878
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,359
guidance for that decision is to our

879
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:12,800
land use plans. Those are guidance not

880
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880
commandments as our staff points out to

881
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,839
it. But the point is that the county has

882
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:19,760
addressed these kinds of issues in a in

883
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,839
a general sense before and come up with uh guidance from which when I do

884
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:27,599
that I come up with the opposite

885
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,720
conclusion from staff. Uh so let's let's

886
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,480
just go through those quickly. The first

887
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,079
thing to consider is our existing

888
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,720
zoning. At some point the county tagged

889
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,880
this parcel as most appropriately

890
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,839
developed for residential use. Now to be

891
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:44,320
fair that that wasn't part of a comp

892
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,560
plan. Our zoning precedes our comp plan

893
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,400
or at least portions of it do. So it's

894
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,240
something of a stretch to say we thought

895
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,920
it all very carefully through and and

896
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,520
tagged this as as residential. It was

897
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,040
more of an inventory. But still there

898
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,960
was a policy statement made that the

899
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,640
county liked things the way they were

900
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,000
and let's hang on to that unless we have

901
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
a good reason to change it

902
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,200
and we should have that change. The the residential and a zones should not

903
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,200
be just considered holding patterns

904
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,720
until we come up with something better

905
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,839
to do with the with the parcel. Those

906
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:17,760
are an affirmative statement of what we

907
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,599
think is best what the county thinks is

908
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,320
best used. Now I thought it was

909
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,000
interesting that the application the

910
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,119
applicant himself identified the value

911
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,720
of the existing zoning for quoting from

912
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,200
the application anything left over from

913
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,599
the development of the 57 acres quote

914
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,400
will be preserved in its natural state

915
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,640
maintaining wildlife habitat natural

916
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,960
drainage patterns and rural open space

917
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,079
character. Good points all. So why are

918
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,280
we offering to change those good points?

919
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Mr. Kaduri bought the land under

920
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880
residential zoning.

921
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,599
From last month's important Wyoming

922
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,240
Supreme Court decision, I'll quote, "An

923
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,079
expectation that property may be

924
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,480
subdivided or reszoned in the future is

925
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,440
not a vested property right. One has a

926
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,599
property right only in existing land

927
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,720
uses and not in prospective land uses.

928
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,440
So, we are not depriving the applicant

929
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,839
of anything that they have by leaving

930
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:21,040
the zoning as is. Okay. Now, let's look

931
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,800
at the comp plan. That's a more formal

932
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,320
statement, an affirmative statement of

933
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,480
what the county goals and objectives

934
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,720
were. As Mr. Gers pointed out, this is

935
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,160
in priority growth area three. Quote,

936
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,480
will be generally large lots, single

937
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,480
family homes, possibly with small

938
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,040
convenienceoriented commercial uses. A

939
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160
57 acre RV and boat storage facility is

940
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,440
not a small convenienceoriented use in

941
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,240
my book.

942
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,599
Now, the comp plan

943
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,520
identifies some rural commercial land

944
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,520
use nearby as a possibility, but there

945
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,520
again, it's for small commercial

946
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,000
businesses that cater primarily to users

947
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,920
from the surrounding areas. I'm quoting

948
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,440
from the report. Buildings should be

949
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,760
small scale to relate to to surrounding

950
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,680
residences. Again, this does not

951
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,560
describe a 57 acre reszoning from

952
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,040
residential to commercial.

953
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Third, we have the area growth plan

954
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,160
which adopted by the county a couple

955
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,640
years ago. I guess in that plan, the

956
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,760
county affirmatively tagged this area as

957
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,800
appropriate for estate residential.

958
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Now, the staff report notes that there

959
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,960
in the growth plan also talks about

960
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,200
neighborhood commercial in the area to

961
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,079
the west. But even so, this is not

962
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:39,520
neighborhood commercial project.

963
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Finally, the staff report points out

964
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,880
that the major street plan approved by

965
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,720
the county foresees a someday extension

966
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,520
of 15th Street south in the direction of

967
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,119
this property. That's true, but this

968
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,359
parcel would lie east and south of that

969
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:57,119
extension. and 15th 15th Street like

970
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,640
Soldier Springs and the railroad is a

971
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,119
logical and orderly place to transition

972
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,760
from commercial uses to the west and

973
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,680
then residential

974
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,480
uh uses to the east. So all this goes to

975
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,240
the compatibility with the previously

976
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,160
adopted land use plans and to

977
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
compatibility with the surrounding land

978
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,119
use. The staff report points to a couple

979
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,599
of small commercially zoned lots nearby.

980
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,599
Those are the red ones on the map you're

981
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,560
looking at. And says the majority of the

982
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,800
north half of the property abuts

983
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,160
commercial zone property to the west.

984
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,720
Well, that that's not even correct as

985
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,680
written. If you chop the the north half

986
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,599
off, it's there's a piece that's

987
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,040
commercial, it's residential, and

988
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,240
agricultural. When I run the numbers on

989
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,760
abuing properties, 78% of the abuing

990
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,200
property is either residential or

991
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,800
agricultural. Agriculture, the biggest

992
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,400
piece, the one off to the to the east

993
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,800
there, uh, is far and away the the

994
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
biggest one.

995
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Then I would also point out that if if

996
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,280
touching a particular zone is

997
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,079
adequate reason to do the reszone, then

998
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,079
you really don't have any lines at all.

999
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,880
You just set yourself up for a a step by

1000
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,160
step chewing through the county. This

1001
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,000
one's commercial. That justifies the

1002
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,280
next one being commercial. That

1003
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,200
justifies the next one being commercial.

1004
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,119
And all you've done instead of drawing

1005
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,040
lines between your commercial industrial

1006
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,000
areas and your residential areas is say

1007
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480
we're going to to move that line piece

1008
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,640
by piece like like Pac-Man chew and his

1009
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,240
way through the county. Uh now the staff

1010
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,000
report has chosen to stand on this

1011
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,560
particular parcel and look west across

1012
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,880
Soldier Springs Road and across railroad

1013
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,040
tracks where one finds arguably

1014
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,760
compatible use. But if one stands on the

1015
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,480
property and looks east or north or

1016
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,680
south, they see open ground just the

1017
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
sort of land in its natural state that

1018
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,160
the applicant himself praises.

1019
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Finally, I would point out that we are

1020
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,520
faced with a very we were faced with

1021
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,440
very similar much smaller application by

1022
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,520
this applicant just last October. In

1023
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,880
that case, it was anchored by a small

1024
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,880
piece of commercial, the mini golf

1025
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,119
course there on the corner of 15th and

1026
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,680
Skyline, and he asked to reszone the 12

1027
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,760
acres immediately south of that from

1028
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,200
residential to commercial. And that's

1029
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,440
that kind of Utah shaped piece that's

1030
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,520
just one parcel removed north of the one

1031
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,160
we're looking at. This commission split

1032
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,560
two two on the application and one of

1033
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,520
the reasons I was interested in

1034
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,119
attending the meeting was so that we'd

1035
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,119
avoided a a potential tie which was

1036
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,920
inconvenient for everybody. One side in

1037
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,599
that discussion was looking at our land

1038
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,920
use plans and the existing city

1039
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,119
neighborhood on South 18th Street. Uh

1040
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,040
that's the part in gray that you see off

1041
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,520
to the east there. And we argued that

1042
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,960
the 15th Street was the logical break in

1043
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,839
zoning. the other side noting that the

1044
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,280
commercial zoning had already jumped

1045
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,920
15th Street with the golf course. 12

1046
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,000
acres wasn't that big a deal and the

1047
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,680
county commission ultimately went along

1048
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,599
with the reszoning.

1049
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,839
I continue to think that Soldier Springs

1050
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,160
Road and the railroad and the present

1051
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,960
and future 15th Street are logical and

1052
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,040
appropriate boundaries for commercial

1053
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,839
and industrial zones to the west and

1054
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:21,599
residential zones to the east. Um the earlier testimony by Mr. was a

1055
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,200
little bit disappointing to me in that

1056
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,960
it seems so casual. He's having

1057
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,200
difficulty maintaining discipline of who

1058
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,760
parks on the 15 acres north. So, let's

1059
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
go ahead and throw in another 57 acres

1060
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
of commercial property. Now, maybe I'm

1061
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,960
casting that as too casual, but I did

1062
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,280
not hear in that any compelling reason

1063
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,760
that we should take 57 acres out of

1064
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,520
residential zoning and turn it into

1065
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,079
commercial zoning. So, consistent with

1066
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,560
the existing zoning, with the adopted

1067
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,640
county comprehensive plan, with the

1068
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,359
adopted clermy area growth plan, and I

1069
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,680
would argue even with the adopted major

1070
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,720
street plan, I agree with comments we've

1071
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,160
received from both the neighbors who

1072
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,520
attended here this evening and those

1073
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,680
who've written to us. Uh, and I would

1074
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,359
point out that the city of Laram is

1075
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,839
itself a very important neighbor in this

1076
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,760
area. Uh, therefore, Mr. Chair, I move

1077
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,520
that ZDA 0306 be recommended for denial

1078
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
based on incompatibility with the

1079
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,079
comprehensive plan, the growth plan, and

1080
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,160
the land uses in the great majority of

1081
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,640
the surrounding area. Thank you for your

1082
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,359
patience.

1083
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,760
>> Okay. Uh well, is there a second for

1084
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,040
this motion?

1085
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,880
>> A second.

1086
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Okay, we will have further discussion.

1087
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Dan, having a motion on the table that

1088
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,430
has been seconded. Um,

1089
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Rob,

1090
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,925
>> yes, I have a question for the staff.

1091
00:43:45,925 --> 00:43:49,200
[snorts] Um, [clears throat]

1092
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,240
the thing that jumped to me uh as a

1093
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,280
problematic was the 50 the size the 57

1094
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,079
although that's a huge area. Uh, even

1095
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,960
for parking hundreds and hundreds of

1096
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,760
RVs. Uh, what are the chances of a

1097
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,280
subdivision?

1098
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,720
Well, is there a way to

1099
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:15,040
um subdivide the lot to make it only

1100
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,240
partial commercial? What what what's the

1101
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,520
options?

1102
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,920
>> Um yeah, absolutely. They could request

1103
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,839
a subdivision. Right now, the way that

1104
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:26,880
it stands, they could actually get 11

1105
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,520
lots out of out of that ranch at area.

1106
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,319
um which again is not just to point out

1107
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:35,920
that that wouldn't meet the what the

1108
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,920
growth plan is is purporting. They're wanting to have um three three

1109
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,760
dwellings per lot which it wouldn't meet

1110
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,240
that. So, you know, just just point that

1111
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,440
out. Um but but yeah, they could divide

1112
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,520
it. Yeah, that's that's something that

1113
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,160
they could do. Um obviously have to do

1114
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
engineering and surveying and all that

1115
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,680
stuff and do the reports that are

1116
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,599
required to do that. Um and then

1117
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,119
obviously has to go through this process

1118
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,359
and be approved formally by the board of

1119
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,280
county commissioners. But that's an

1120
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,920
option.

1121
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,400
>> That's an option. Okay.

1122
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,960
>> Anything else?

1123
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,040
>> Barb,

1124
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,920
>> uh I agree with Moras and Ashley Burn.

1125
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Um for one, I think that's a huge lot to

1126
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,550
uh develop commercially.

1127
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,160
» Anything else?

1128
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,680
>> No.

1129
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,119
Correct.

1130
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,560
>> I think it is way too much to develop

1131
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,599
commercially and it's a huge change over

1132
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,800
the area. Um,

1133
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
it was originally residential. It's a

1134
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,680
residential now. That's what people are

1135
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,400
used to and I'm not sure I have the right view on

1136
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,560
this, but I do believe that I'm here to

1137
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,400
represent what I hear from the people

1138
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,880
and the public and what what I see and

1139
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,280
what I think is right and wrong.

1140
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,280
I don't think this entire 57 acres is a

1141
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,640
good idea to have it commercial.

1142
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,920
If it was a smaller portion, it might be

1143
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,000
more manageable from the standpoint of

1144
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
how many large buildings. What one of

1145
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,280
the concerns was they're putting an 80

1146
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,359
by 200 foot building. It's 20 ft high

1147
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:22,960
now and it says for starters or

1148
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,200
something along those lines. I can

1149
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,720
understand not wanting to see 25 or 30

1150
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,119
buildings out there on 57 acres or even

1151
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:35,119
more. So I I think I think this is too

1152
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,760
much land to change over

1153
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,670
to commercial.

1154
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,520
Anything else? No, I'm good.

1155
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,119
Well,

1156
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,119
I'm going to offer a slightly different

1157
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,000
perspective.

1158
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,270
Um,

1159
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,560
I'll say that had this come before us 12

1160
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,040
months ago or even six months ago, uh, I

1161
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,839
would inclined to automatically say

1162
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,560
or recommend denial of this based purely

1163
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
on a land rate growth area plan. So, it

1164
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,079
shows is a state residential,

1165
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,800
but

1166
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,280
there's a problem with that.

1167
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,720
growth plan was adopted three years ago

1168
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,880
and at some point it either needs to be

1169
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,359
implemented or not and at some point

1170
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,200
enough time has passed by when if it's

1171
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,520
not implemented I question whether it

1172
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,280
has any applicable validity today

1173
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,079
and um so I I wonder about that and it

1174
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,240
was three years ago right I think it was

1175
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,000
adopted in August three years ago

1176
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:42,319
>> sure

1177
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:43,760
>> I think it's right [clears throat]

1178
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,313
>> well I'm looking to you if I'm wrong.

1179
00:47:46,313 --> 00:47:46,960
[laughter]

1180
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760
You have to look it up. And the last

1181
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,560
significant action that I can remember

1182
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,400
having been taken on the plan was an IG

1183
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,240
agreement that went to the county

1184
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,520
commissioners for either approval or

1185
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,760
acceptance or decline. They declined to

1186
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,200
sign that document

1187
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,920
and as far as I'm aware, nothing has

1188
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,680
happened since then. I mean, is that

1189
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,359
more or less correct, David? I mean, has

1190
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:16,240
there been any work on of UIG either

1191
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,800
from the county or the city.

1192
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,560
>> Um, no, it's still being talked about

1193
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,599
from time to time.

1194
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:22,319
>> Yeah.

1195
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:24,960
>> I mean, and you know to your point that

1196
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,200
the implementation hasn't necessarily

1197
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,920
occurred. We are using it to analyze

1198
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,079
these projects that come come through

1199
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:33,839
the through the door. So, it's not that

1200
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:35,599
it's not being used.

1201
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,680
>> Well, the plan is originally conceived

1202
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,520
was in three parts. The basic first part

1203
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,040
was the conceptual plan which was

1204
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,720
adopted.

1205
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,880
the IGA which is supposed to follow on

1206
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,000
which is supposed to lead to

1207
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,960
implementation in the regulations and a

1208
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,280
granular analysis of a map to determine

1209
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,160
exactly where these different zonings

1210
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,319
actually physically you know were

1211
00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:57,839
delineated by Brazilian property

1212
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,839
boundaries. Right now we have a

1213
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:02,720
conceptual map where like the Caduri

1214
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:03,920
property is clearly in the middle of a

1215
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,839
state residential but we don't know

1216
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,000
where that state's residential zoning

1217
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,319
area actually ends.

1218
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:13,920
Um, and I'll come back to that.

1219
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Um, I mean, have the county

1220
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,200
commissioners at all given you any kind

1221
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,119
of direction to approval the plan or do

1222
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,880
anything at all in the past year?

1223
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,359
>> No.

1224
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,960
And have you heard anything from

1225
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,040
senior leadership from the city, which I

1226
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,559
don't include to be city manager,

1227
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,760
mayor, or city council?

1228
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,359
>> Nothing like official.

1229
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,040
>> Yeah.

1230
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Um,

1231
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,280
so I mean if nothing sub substantive has

1232
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,920
happened in over a year now

1233
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,680
and there's nothing on going right now

1234
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,280
and there's no realistic prospect

1235
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,520
anything's going to happen soon

1236
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,119
or even the next year or two or three

1237
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,400
years. Uh, I wonder how we can use a

1238
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,119
plan in an adverse manner for a property

1239
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:01,119
owner who does enjoy property rights.

1240
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,520
And I'll point out two problems that

1241
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,440
exist as things stand right now because

1242
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,640
this has not been implemented

1243
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,520
regulation. Um you can compare property

1244
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,480
that's in the middle of one of these

1245
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,400
zings in this case Dr. Converge property

1246
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,040
which clearly in the library growth area

1247
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,800
plan identified as future estate

1248
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,160
residential versus a similar property at

1249
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,800
the edge of this zoning district. And

1250
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,000
how do you determine whether or not

1251
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,319
that's in or out?

1252
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:28,240
It's pretty clear to me that those two

1253
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,839
properties would be handled in a

1254
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:32,000
potentially disparit manner. They would

1255
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,319
have to be and I don't think that's

1256
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,160
fair.

1257
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,960
And then if this plan were fully imp

1258
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,440
implemented at some point in the future,

1259
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,520
there would be in regulation some

1260
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,960
process for amending this map and

1261
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,559
revising it. That's mentioned in the

1262
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:47,920
conceptual part of the plan. It's been

1263
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,000
talked right now by the city and the

1264
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,319
council. But presumably there would also

1265
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:54,240
be an element or mechanism whereby a

1266
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,559
property owner could seek relief for an

1267
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,319
amendment on the map as well just like

1268
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:00,559
as we have now you know to do the same

1269
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:01,920
with the zoning district amendment in

1270
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,000
our current resolution for county

1271
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,319
property right now there's no no

1272
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:09,359
prospect of that so if Dr. Gadori will

1273
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,119
want to invent the map right now or some

1274
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,200
other property owner seeking to gain

1275
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,760
approval for some sort of development.

1276
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,680
What do they do? They're in limbo. And

1277
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,800
again, I see that as quite unfair.

1278
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,319
And again, I I just as I started out,

1279
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:25,920
had it been six months ago or 12 months

1280
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,680
ago, I would have still had faith that

1281
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,839
something might happen. And I have been

1282
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:33,520
as big a proponent of polar rhyth.

1283
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,520
But nothing but realistically nothing is

1284
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,599
happening. And there's no realistic

1285
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,640
chance anytime soon.

1286
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,480
>> I am holding on. I'm just letting you

1287
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,839
know I have something to say.

1288
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,355
>> Yeah. Um

1289
00:51:47,355 --> 00:51:48,640
[clears throat]

1290
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,160
and I'll just say personally I think

1291
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,720
were up to me. I would reserve this

1292
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,280
property for us. I I identify as

1293
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,559
property near to town. Uh once 15th

1294
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,800
Street is extended all the way out. Uh

1295
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,800
it's an easy commute on bike or I won't

1296
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,559
say easy on foot but anyway on bike or

1297
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,960
whatn not to the center of town and I

1298
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,640
think a storage facility like this could

1299
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,960
be just as well positioned five or 10

1300
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,040
miles out somewhere where community

1301
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,359
times don't matter

1302
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:19,760
but uh if I set aside growth area plan

1303
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,520
as a reason to look at this adversely

1304
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,440
then I'm left with the findings

1305
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,960
and you've made the findings and you

1306
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,640
said all the findings been satis I

1307
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,720
thought your analysis was thorough and

1308
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,559
on point.

1309
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,599
And I will ask Matt,

1310
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:38,960
I presume you review all these

1311
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,400
applications and you look at the staff

1312
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,720
analysis.

1313
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,640
>> I did in this instance. Yeah,

1314
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,720
>> you did. And did you have any any

1315
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:48,640
problems or qualms with the findings

1316
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,670
that whether they're met or not?

1317
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,200
» Yeah, those are really the policy

1318
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,200
determinations that are that are up to

1319
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,960
planning and zoning commission and the

1320
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,800
board. Now, well, my view was the

1321
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,000
analysis was was was solid and that uh

1322
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,599
the application was an excellent

1323
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,359
application and we we've seen a lot of

1324
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,760
applications and and some are frankly

1325
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,000
fairly crude. Uh but this is quite

1326
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,599
detailed

1327
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,000
and I look at the findings and I think

1328
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,119
the findings are all met and therefore

1329
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,480
I believe we should recommend approval

1330
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960
of this.

1331
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,160
You're going to go ahead.

1332
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,400
>> Thank you. So when we look at the growth

1333
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,040
plan, we look at what we are facing as a

1334
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,440
community, I think we need to take into

1335
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,960
account that we are facing a housing

1336
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,800
crisis.

1337
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,400
And every parcel of land that we convert

1338
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,880
from potential housing

1339
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,920
into something that is not housing, we

1340
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,640
are betraying our community.

1341
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,000
We are taking a lot of people say what

1342
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,520
can county commissioners do for housing

1343
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,559
and my uh response to people who ask me

1344
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,527
that is the county doesn't own a

1345
00:54:07,527 --> 00:54:09,520
[laughter] lot of land. We can't

1346
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,319
allocate land for housing. We can't

1347
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,800
build housing co-ops like they do in

1348
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,359
Teton County and other places. Alvin

1349
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:21,119
County, the county doesn't own land. The

1350
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,559
only thing we can do is we can change

1351
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,480
the zoning to uh to to be uh more commen

1352
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,720
uh possible

1353
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,760
development as housing. And this is a

1354
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,160
classic case where we have the

1355
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,920
opportunity to um turn a parcel of land

1356
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,440
into ranchets. not high density, taking

1357
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,839
into account the neighbor's concerns,

1358
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:53,280
but also addressing some of the city of

1359
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Laramie and Albany County

1360
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,760
uh housing crisis. So uh just based on

1361
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,640
that I would say we should uh deny this

1362
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,079
application and encourage the to think

1363
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,160
about how can we uh do something for h

1364
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,400
for the to address the housing crisis.

1365
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,920
And just as an aside we are working on

1366
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,480
creating these co-ops right now in

1367
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,359
Albony County and the city of Larmy and

1368
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,839
trying to get funding mechanisms for

1369
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,880
them. So it may be a better approach for

1370
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,520
disposal. Thank you.

1371
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,280
>> Well,

1372
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
one more thing and then I'll recognize

1373
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,000
you. How about that? Um I think prices

1374
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,520
is a little bit overall. I would say

1375
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,160
housing problem and and otherwise agree

1376
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,880
with you and I also point out that state

1377
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,640
residential is not an opposed to

1378
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,319
affordable housing. So that's not going

1379
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:50,000
to solve much of anything in terms of

1380
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,920
affordable housing. Burn, please go

1381
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,319
ahead.

1382
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,319
>> I didn't call it the housing crisis. It

1383
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,799
wasn't my wording. I'm just quoting.

1384
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:57,760
>> All right, that's fine.

1385
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,319
>> Okay,

1386
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,160
>> let me know that she's quoting housing

1387
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,359
crisis and [laughter]

1388
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:05,040
>> there are many who call it a crisis. No,

1389
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,960
but responding to your comments, Mr. M,

1390
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,400
with all due respect, Mr. Chair, I

1391
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,760
disagree. First of all, the Larmy area

1392
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,880
growth plan is an adopted land use plan

1393
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,200
and as Mr. Gers pointed out, it's being

1394
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,359
implemented every day just as the

1395
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,599
comprehensive plan is. Now there are

1396
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,280
other things that could be done to

1397
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,040
implement it by say reszoning the county

1398
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,720
but it stands as a fully authorized

1399
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,280
statement by the county commission

1400
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,839
saying this is how we want this to grow

1401
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,319
like any other land use plan. So it is

1402
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:40,480
in incorrect to say it is not being

1403
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,480
implemented. There's more one could do.

1404
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,079
If the county commissioners wanted to

1405
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,280
renounce the thing they could do that by a simple vote. So it is incorrect to

1406
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,960
say that the Larameir growth plan is

1407
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,960
irrelevant to our decisions. It is in

1408
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,760
fact one of our guiding documents.

1409
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,520
Furthermore and perhaps more importantly

1410
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,280
we have the comprehensive plan itself

1411
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,960
that does not contemplate this being

1412
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,440
commercial. In fact describes it as PGA3

1413
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,839
which is it's largely residential and

1414
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:10,720
large lot residential. We have PGAS one

1415
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,200
and two that are part of the plan. This

1416
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,440
isn't part of that. we have the existing

1417
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,559
zoning as we see on our map. So to

1418
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,520
suggest that that the lur area growth

1419
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,240
plan is the only reason not to to just

1420
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,040
simply reszone things uh as some

1421
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,079
applicant comes forward that's I say

1422
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,920
that's just incorrect. Now as far as the

1423
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,440
staff analysis I'm not arguing that they

1424
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,359
did an inadequate analysis but but

1425
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,280
virtually everything in that analysis is

1426
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,680
completely subjective.

1427
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,520
They didn't say here's this and here's

1428
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,119
this and add two and we end up with

1429
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,520
four. Their opinion was that this was

1430
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,240
compatible. My opinion is that it is not

1431
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,040
compatible particularly given 57 acres

1432
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,440
and particularly given the general land

1433
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,520
use patterns of the area where we have

1434
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400
commercial and industrial uh uses

1435
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:04,000
concentrated on the west side of 28 of Soldier Springs Road and the

1436
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,480
railroad. We have residential areas and

1437
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,880
open areas that we value highly in this

1438
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,440
county extending completely to the crest

1439
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,200
of the mountain if we'd look to the

1440
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,400
east. We are fully capable and

1441
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,920
authorized to assess compatibility and I

1442
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,520
encourage my fellow commissioners to

1443
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,520
assess that compatibility to be

1444
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,319
represented by the existing zoning

1445
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,640
backed up by the comprehensive plan the

1446
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,640
larary growth plan if you care to use

1447
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,520
it. but it does not stand or fall on the status of the Laria growth plan.

1448
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,599
So, I would encourage a a favorable vote

1449
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:41,750
on my motion. Thank you.

1450
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,000
I

1451
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,079
>> I'll just push back on one thing. Uh I

1452
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,119
think it's clear that the plan provided

1453
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,040
to us by the consultants and adopted by

1454
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,839
the county envision implementation as a

1455
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:54,559
plan into regulation.

1456
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:59,680
Uh and with that, I've said everything I feel like I wanted to say. Is there

1457
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,040
any further discussion?

1458
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,640
>> The other thing I'd like to add is we

1459
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,400
did

1460
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,839
a couple months ago we were talking

1461
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:08,640
about on Two Rivers Road where we

1462
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,119
actually allowed

1463
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,240
to be smaller lots and part of their

1464
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,440
argument or their presentation was we

1465
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,000
need to have more available areas for

1466
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,880
putting housing in. Um lowcost housing

1467
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,200
is an oxymoron.

1468
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,760
uh it doesn't exist anymore with current

1469
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,400
costs, but having property that is

1470
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,280
residentially zoned gives people the

1471
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,040
opportunity to say, I want to live on

1472
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,720
the north side of town or I want to live

1473
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,359
on the south side. And if we do away

1474
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:44,640
with that, we are closing

1475
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,960
we're closing down housing to people who

1476
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,400
would who may want to move here and make

1477
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,920
their lives here and their families

1478
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,440
lives.

1479
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,240
Um,

1480
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,160
>> that's all I had to say. Anyone else?

1481
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,160
Okay. Well, fair enough. We will conduct

1482
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,280
a vote. Roll call. Barb, how about you?

1483
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,319
>> Do we need to read?

1484
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:08,640
>> Uh, I I vote to deny the

1485
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,200
>> Wait, we need to read the actual

1486
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,359
>> Yes, we do. Thank you, Mor.

1487
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:14,160
>> You're welcome.

1488
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,200
>> Would you care to read that?

1489
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,160
>> I will do that.

1490
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,480
>> Yeah, I my motion included that, Mr.

1491
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,079
Chair.

1492
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,160
>> Uh, it won't hurt to reread the motion

1493
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,319
in any way. Go ahead and and if you

1494
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,240
agree with this then we'll move forward.

1495
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:26,720
>> Okay.

1496
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,319
>> Yeah. It it it certainly won't hurt you.

1497
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:31,760
Make sure we don't Yeah. To make your

1498
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,079
life easy, uh, we [clears throat]

1499
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,680
recommend to the board of county

1500
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,480
commissioners deny the Kadori zoning

1501
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,720
district amendment ZDA0326

1502
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,640
based upon the applicant's failure to

1503
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,799
demonstrate that the proposed zoning

1504
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,960
district amendment complies with the

1505
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,520
criteria specific uh to ACZL chapter 3

1506
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,559
section 5. Um and I don't know which

1507
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,920
subsection is this but as follows this

1508
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:05,280
is all um this is a residential area or

1509
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,400
zone residential and converting it into

1510
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,760
commercial or it's reduce housing uh

1511
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,359
potential for the county.

1512
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,200
>> Okay. Any questions about the motion?

1513
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,480
>> No. All right. Matt, uh, that does not

1514
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,599
get to any required finding, which is

1515
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:24,880
your basis for approval.

1516
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,000
>> Okay. I'm sorry, Bernie, you had the the

1517
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,040
correct

1518
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,920
>> the the motion that's on the the floor.

1519
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,319
as we can craft it otherwise was I move

1520
01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:39,040
that ZDA 0326 be recommended for denial

1521
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,680
based on incompatibility with the

1522
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,720
comprehensive plan with the growth plan

1523
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,440
and with land uses in the great majority

1524
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,960
of the surrounding area

1525
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,880
>> is that okay match

1526
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,349
>> okay so

1527
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,742
» so Barb how do you vote

1528
01:02:01,752 --> 01:02:02,319
» [clears throat]

1529
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:05,760
>> I vote to deny the proposal.

1530
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,000
>> Burn.

1531
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,640
>> I vote yes on the motion which is to

1532
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,000
deny the proposal.

1533
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,440
>> We understand. Craig,

1534
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,200
>> I vote yes.

1535
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:15,920
>> Rough.

1536
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:16,400
>> Yes.

1537
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,960
>> And I vote no. So that motion carries.

1538
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,280
Uh and thank you for everyone for your

1539
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,240
input.

1540
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,720
>> Thank you.

1541
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,040
>> Do we feel we need a break?

1542
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,400
>> No, we don't feel we need a break. All

1543
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,960
right. In that case, we will move on to

1544
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,040
the next item which is the item we

1545
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,880
inserted

1546
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,440
uh which we will have a bit of a

1547
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,240
discussion on data centers.

1548
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,359
Uh this is not there's no form or

1549
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:47,920
pattern or anything to this. So

1550
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,559
we will just have a open discussion for

1551
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:51,599
as long as I feel like we're

1552
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:52,960
accomplishing something [clears throat]

1553
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,359
and then I'll call.

1554
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:57,200
>> Okay. Um,

1555
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,640
>> David, is is there by any chance?

1556
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,000
>> Is there anything you'd like to lead off

1557
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,960
with?

1558
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,599
>> Um, may I put you on the spot so you

1559
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:08,319
don't have to

1560
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,319
>> for data center stuff?

1561
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:12,319
>> Um, I know you attended the city meeting

1562
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:14,559
or the joint meeting yesterday,

1563
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,240
>> right? Um, I would just say that the

1564
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,079
public um, showed up um, and it was a

1565
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,520
good meeting. I think there's some good

1566
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,599
information they're provided by city

1567
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,799
staff. Um both city and county staff

1568
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,960
obviously provided information about

1569
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,520
where we are in our regulations and what

1570
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,280
we can and can't do when it comes to

1571
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,440
data centers. Um both both entities need

1572
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,839
to work on those I believe. Um

1573
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:49,680
and I think we just heard a lot of good feedback on data centers. Um the

1574
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,200
things that the public do not like about

1575
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,640
them and some of the things that the

1576
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,359
public do like about them. Um, and I

1577
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,200
would just mention that that county

1578
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,640
staff is working on um potential

1579
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,240
regulatory changes um which you will see

1580
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,799
here in the next

1581
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:09,440
meeting. Just depends on if we can get

1582
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,680
some of the details figured out which

1583
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,640
we're working diligently on and

1584
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,799
hopefully moving forward that. So,

1585
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:20,000
>> okay. Uh, and Burn and Raf, either one

1586
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,680
of you, uh, you all both, as I

1587
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,440
understand, attended a meeting hosted by

1588
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,880
someone from the Sierra Club local

1589
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,520
chapter.

1590
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,359
>> I would like to add Yeah, I would like

1591
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:28,480
to add some Oh,

1592
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,280
>> sure. Go ahead.

1593
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,520
>> to what uh the meeting last night was

1594
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,319
about. Uh, so as uh Dave mentioned, uh,

1595
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:39,520
sorry, Mr. Burge, [laughter]

1596
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,039
uh, the room was packed. Well, it uh was

1597
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,039
standing room only and even standing

1598
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,640
room

1599
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,280
was packed. The room was absolutely

1600
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:55,359
packed. Uh the uh main

1601
01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:00,160
things that came uh uh in the meeting is

1602
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,359
that within the city limits of Laramie

1603
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,240
there is not a really good site for a

1604
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,400
data center. We are not talking about

1605
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,039
the the University of Wyoming computer

1606
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,440
or not even the superco computer. We're

1607
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,680
talking about hypers scale data centers.

1608
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,799
That's a concern of people and there is

1609
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:21,839
just not enough land within the city of

1610
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,559
Larmy to accommodate a hypers scale this

1611
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,880
data center which is something that we

1612
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,200
have known. So basically the

1613
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,640
responsibility for regulating the data

1614
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,319
centers falls on to Albany county

1615
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:38,720
commissioners.

1616
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,760
And why is that? We have the space and

1617
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,680
um there is a potential loophole in the

1618
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,480
state regulation, the state statutes

1619
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,359
that transfers the responsibility to um

1620
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:59,039
to the county and that is by creating by

1621
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,480
us creating a zoning category called

1622
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,760
indust industrial park.

1623
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,520
And in our uh uh current statutes, if

1624
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,799
you have an industrial park in Albany

1625
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:16,559
County,

1626
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,559
you uh have the right

1627
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,720
then the the uh the right to build uh a

1628
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,680
data set, hypers scale data set on that

1629
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,720
parcel without going through the

1630
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,640
industrial sighting of the state.

1631
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,520
And that is the thing that caused a lot

1632
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,680
of grief and aggravation to people in

1633
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,960
the audience. Uh most of the

1634
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,480
presentations

1635
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,280
that we heard last night were in

1636
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,039
opposition to data to settle. Uh few uh

1637
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:54,640
were in support

1638
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,000
>> presentations or comments?

1639
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,200
>> Comments from the public.

1640
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,319
>> Yeah,

1641
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:00,240
>> the staff did not. Uh the staff

1642
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,319
presented very as Dave mentioned very

1643
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:08,079
nice. I'll just uh add something that uh I heard from M uh Director

1644
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,160
Smith, the water department, but I'll

1645
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,839
mention it in a minute. Most of the

1646
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:14,319
public comments were in opposition, a

1647
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,799
few were in support largely because of

1648
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:20,400
the potential uh revenue and income from

1649
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,480
uh something like that. But the main

1650
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,799
concerns that people in addition to

1651
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:28,079
being concerned about uh being concerned

1652
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:32,000
about the uh power, the electricity, the

1653
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,280
water, um discussion of what is a a

1654
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,000
closed cooling system, yes or no. People

1655
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,799
also talked about uh uh the fact that we

1656
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,880
don't we can't trust these large

1657
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,440
corporation. People brought examples

1658
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,839
from other places in the United States

1659
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:52,799
and abroad of cases where this

1660
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:55,119
corporation lied about what they're

1661
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,119
going to do, got permits based on that

1662
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,200
and then did something else. So there

1663
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,280
were a lot of uh there was a lot of

1664
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,599
stress and aggravation.

1665
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,440
The bottom line of that I don't I'm not

1666
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,039
going to repeat all these. I'm just

1667
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:11,599
going to say that uh at the end of the

1668
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:15,119
uh public hearing, the public comments,

1669
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:19,600
city council, the mayor asked the staff

1670
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,679
to consider a moratorum.

1671
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:26,880
They said that uh they want to learn

1672
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,880
more and they wanted to learn more about

1673
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,679
uh what are the implications for the

1674
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,000
community. One of the things that

1675
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,679
director Smith has brought up and this

1676
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:41,440
is something that I have been talking

1677
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,239
about before we talked about this data

1678
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,600
center is uh water availability and

1679
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,000
delivery. If you all remember the

1680
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,880
presentation I gave to you several in

1681
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,000
April about water problems that we may

1682
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,000
face. uh uh director Smith said that his

1683
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,560
concern is whether we will be able to

1684
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,719
supply water for the city of Larmy if we

1685
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:10,080
have data centers coming to the valley

1686
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,920
and he said I don't want to think about

1687
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000
this year I want you to think about the

1688
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:19,759
next 10 years and uh as Bern knows uh I

1689
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:22,719
have been very concerned about water and

1690
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:26,880
the aquifer not so much the river uh

1691
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,719
because there are no regulations that uh

1692
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:34,719
can stop any industrial and it's not

1693
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:37,040
necessarily data center. There are no

1694
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,319
regulations that say when do you stop

1695
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,679
drawing water from the aquifer. So we

1696
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:45,839
have the overlay zone and the overlay

1697
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:47,759
zone is mostly protecting from

1698
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:50,319
contamination and that's why I put the

1699
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,159
lot sizes and the Supreme Court

1700
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:55,520
supported that. that really anyone can

1701
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,640
go to the state engineers's office and

1702
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,120
ask for a permit to drill a well and

1703
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,679
just drain the aquifer down. Now, we

1704
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,480
have a really nice aquifer. No, no

1705
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:12,000
concerns at the current use, but these

1706
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,960
data centers are uh huge. Even with

1707
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,600
closed loop systems, I've seen values

1708
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,679
that are unimaginable with what we have.

1709
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:28,159
And so what I my next step would be and

1710
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:33,360
hopefully we can discuss that further is there a level of the aquifill draw

1711
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,159
down where we say stop

1712
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:38,800
drawing water for industrial use. It's

1713
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,080
all going to go to human consumption.

1714
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,448
But that's in in a thing and and

1715
01:10:44,448 --> 01:10:46,640
[clears throat] director Smith basically

1716
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,640
addressed that in his concern. Now the

1717
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,520
city can put any moratoriums they want.

1718
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,920
No one is going to build a hypers scale

1719
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,159
data center within city limits. So

1720
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,159
basically this comes to us to the county

1721
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,719
and that's something that we need to

1722
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:08,400
discuss and decide on. Do we want to

1723
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,199
take responsibility for monitoring and

1724
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:14,400
regulating a hypers scale data center or

1725
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,440
multiple data centers in Alburn County?

1726
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:20,960
Do we have the capacity to monitor noise

1727
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,600
pollution? Do we have the capacity to

1728
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,159
monitor traffic? Do we have the capacity

1729
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,840
to monitor heat? And the truth of the

1730
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,679
matter is we don't even have money for

1731
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:36,320
our road and bridge. [laughter]

1732
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,199
So to add stress on to what we can do

1733
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,239
doesn't seem logical to me. Um but we

1734
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:46,480
need to discuss this further and uh

1735
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,199
that's why I suggest and would suggest

1736
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,840
to the county commissioners

1737
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,920
uh to put a moratorum in the county in

1738
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,080
parallel to what the city council is

1739
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,520
planning on to make sure that we

1740
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,440
understand what can happen and how can

1741
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:09,440
we monitor what happens in an industrial

1742
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:11,679
park.

1743
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:13,920
Do you want me to continue on what

1744
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,560
happened the week before [laughter] or

1745
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:17,440
>> would you like to say anything about

1746
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,000
what last week's meeting first or not?

1747
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,840
>> Oh, just just a couple of thoughts to

1748
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,159
add and we don't need to belver it. One

1749
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:25,760
was

1750
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,120
been hearkening back to something that

1751
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,800
I've said when we brought this first

1752
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,080
before our commission is we need to

1753
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,920
define data centers. So I'm encouraged

1754
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,360
by the fact that the discussion now are changing the term. They're talking

1755
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,080
about hypers scale data centers and and

1756
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,719
AI data centers. So, I haven't heard

1757
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,480
clear lines drawn, but I'm encouraged

1758
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,880
that people who are working on this are

1759
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,440
cognizant of the fact that, you know,

1760
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:48,800
two guys in the bottom with a gaming

1761
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,320
computer ain't a data center, and we're

1762
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,760
only talking about the big ones. So,

1763
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,280
that's that's an encouraging move

1764
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,000
forward. Um,

1765
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,199
a question that was asked at the meeting

1766
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:58,480
I attended, which I thought was a good

1767
01:12:58,480 --> 01:12:59,520
one, is if you're going to have a

1768
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,199
moratorum, you need to decide what

1769
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:03,040
you're going to do with it. Uh, there's

1770
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,880
a tendency to just have a moratorum

1771
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,880
because we're nervous. So I would

1772
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,560
encourage anything that anyone's

1773
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,159
thinking about a moratorum that they be

1774
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,080
challenged to say okay I'll give you a

1775
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,920
year what are you going to do most

1776
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,920
constructively with the year what is it

1777
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,320
that you need to have resolved to move

1778
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,560
forward so I don't think we should be

1779
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,239
applying uh moratoriums casually or

1780
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,239
kicking the can down the road if we did

1781
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:27,760
that at all and that's what's really

1782
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,760
missing now and is beginning to mature

1783
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,920
in the discussion is what are the

1784
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,159
realistic issues both pro and on the

1785
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:37,520
other thing that we hear very little

1786
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,360
about that I I if we're going to be

1787
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,199
decision makers, it's balancing is is

1788
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,719
what what do these things bring to the

1789
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,199
community? Are the tax structures such

1790
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,679
that they they will improve the quality

1791
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:49,280
of our schools and our roads and and

1792
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,679
retire our our infrastructure needs? Is

1793
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:53,679
that realistic? What is it that we're

1794
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:55,840
weighing their very real impacts

1795
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:01,760
against? And I would not prejudge that their uh impacts exceed the

1796
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,159
benefits. We need to research both sides

1797
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,640
of that equation. That's my only two

1798
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,880
bits worth.

1799
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,239
>> Would you like to add anything about

1800
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:11,199
that meeting?

1801
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:11,760
>> Yes.

1802
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,199
>> Then we'll go around and take some other

1803
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:13,600
time.

1804
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,679
>> Sure. Absolutely. So, so uh one thing

1805
01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:20,239
that have been brought up in both

1806
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:22,960
meetings is what is called community

1807
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,679
benefits agreements. And everybody I

1808
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:28,800
think in both meetings was very much in

1809
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,120
favor. In fact, in the Wednesday

1810
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,600
meeting, uh people came up with a a

1811
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,480
great list of excellent proposals for

1812
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,199
what if if someone comes to us, what are

1813
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,719
we going to require from them in in

1814
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:47,120
order to approve a data center. So I

1815
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,840
think there is a a great uh progression

1816
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,719
in that and people are people are

1817
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:56,400
thinking and another thing about the

1818
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,480
mortorium of the city. The city asked

1819
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:02,640
the mayor asked the staff to tell what

1820
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,120
length of moratorum and what kind of

1821
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,920
data they need to collect in order to so

1822
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,440
that was super uh um informative for you

1823
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,840
know the city is not going to put a

1824
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,080
moratorum without knowing exactly what

1825
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,239
data points they're going to collect. I

1826
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:22,719
think that's excellent. I'll make one

1827
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:24,560
comment and then go to Greg and Bern I

1828
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,080
mean Barb for anything you might want to

1829
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,320
say as we continue around with regards

1830
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,840
to city moratorum. I just think it's

1831
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,199
interesting given the fact there's no

1832
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,760
place in the city where a hyper be

1833
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,480
built. So what's the point? I mean there

1834
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,159
might be some point in satisfying some

1835
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,270
citizen

1836
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,400
that's going to be built within city

1837
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,407
limits or even adjacent city. Uh so

1838
01:15:46,407 --> 01:15:47,520
[laughter]

1839
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,920
all right uh with that any thoughts

1840
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,040
you'd like to offer?

1841
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,960
>> Just that we need to balance things very

1842
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,800
carefully on this. Uh I've seen articles

1843
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,239
that they're going to put huge solar

1844
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:02,400
farms next to the data centers. So the

1845
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,600
data center is not going to run at

1846
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,199
night.

1847
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:06,880
I mean it's just something to think

1848
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,360
about. We need to not rush into this

1849
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,920
places that have have had some very

1850
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,760
adverse effects on their communities.

1851
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,760
So please think about it and let's not

1852
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,440
just do the oh it's going to be a great

1853
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:25,360
thing. We need to think about it and

1854
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,640
moratorium should not be a well no nope

1855
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,880
data centers for the next 50 years. It's

1856
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,760
ridiculous. We need to set a realistic

1857
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,840
time span of all right there's a

1858
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,640
moratorum for 18 months or 24 months

1859
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,800
until data can be put together to pro

1860
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,320
disprove your theories of or your fears

1861
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,719
or to prove that it's a manageable

1862
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,920
problem whether it's water power land

1863
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,239
the whole thing. We need to think about

1864
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:55,920
this very carefully and we need to

1865
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,840
really

1866
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,760
we need to get as much input as we can

1867
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,480
from reliable sources.

1868
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,239
That's it. Barb, you have a comments you

1869
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:07,199
like to make?

1870
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,360
>> Well, I'm all for bringing, you know,

1871
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,320
economic development into uh the area,

1872
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,280
but wi with caution. So, you know, I'd

1873
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,600
be concerned about power structure, uh,

1874
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,400
use of our water resources, and also

1875
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,120
hazardous waste, which has been some

1876
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,679
things that the Cheyenne Breley area

1877
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:28,320
have had to, uh, you know, battle

1878
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,400
recently. So, there's there's real

1879
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:35,910
concerns about um, those structures.

1880
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:36,880
» Anything else?

1881
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,719
>> Can I just add something?

1882
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,000
>> Sure.

1883
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,920
>> Uh, the chair is correct. There is

1884
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,400
absolutely no place within city limits

1885
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,960
because what we're talking about right

1886
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,719
now for hypers scale data centers is 600

1887
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,000
acres

1888
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,640
>> of building of building not even in the

1889
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,480
surrounding area. They build them on 600

1890
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,840
and more acres. So there's no 600 acres.

1891
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,840
>> It's a it's a square mile.

1892
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,000
>> Yeah. Basically. [laughter]

1893
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,679
>> So yeah. So ch is correct in a a

1894
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:11,760
mortorium in a city is not going to do

1895
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,320
anything. It's it's basically the ball

1896
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,600
in our court.

1897
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,480
>> Well um I think some public would like

1898
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:21,440
to make comments.

1899
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:22,960
>> I am going to actually first go to

1900
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,320
someone else. I am noting it that

1901
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,920
Commissioner Jones is here with us. Uh

1902
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,120
Terry, is there anything you like to

1903
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,560
say?

1904
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:35,270
>> Sure.

1905
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,199
Um I think it's important to note that

1906
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:40,960
if

1907
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,600
um we use the industrial sighting and we

1908
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,159
use their option

1909
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,960
to do um industrial park.

1910
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,120
That park is still regulated by

1911
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,480
industrial sighting. And to imply that

1912
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,360
industrial sighting is not part of that

1913
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,239
industrial park is absolutely wrong.

1914
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:06,800
Industrial sighting is in this whole

1915
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,320
thing through the whole process.

1916
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,440
Nobody's skipping out on anything.

1917
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,400
And you need to get your pro your uh

1918
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,239
information correct.

1919
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:22,560
>> Thank you. I will. Um, I'm going to make

1920
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,280
a few comments and then I think how does

1921
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,640
the commission feel about taking some

1922
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,320
comments from the public?

1923
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,600
>> I'm in favor.

1924
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,560
Mark.

1925
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,600
>> Yeah.

1926
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,120
>> Bern,

1927
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,080
what's the question?

1928
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,840
>> You'll take a few comments from the

1929
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,520
public. We do have

1930
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,520
>> No, no, no, no. That's fine. Uh, if

1931
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,520
you've got the time, let's go for it.

1932
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,880
Then I'll make some comments and then

1933
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,120
we'll invite the public to uh step

1934
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,120
forward and say what they might like to

1935
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,120
say. Um I've taken in this past month

1936
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,360
since our last meeting some time to take

1937
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,480
a look at industrial sighting council

1938
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,000
and try to understand what they do, what

1939
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,600
sort of options we have in front of us

1940
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,640
and and what sort of the practicalities

1941
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,120
of what we're facing are. And I think I

1942
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,600
have a better understanding now. Um, and

1943
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,600
Matt, if I say something which you know

1944
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,280
is contrary to regulation, you can

1945
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,640
correct me. You will correct me.

1946
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,280
Um, but here is what I understand to be

1947
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,600
the case.

1948
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,199
The industrial sighting council and

1949
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:29,520
regulations kick in when a large scale

1950
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,679
project over a certain threshold of mon

1951
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,600
monetary expenditure is exceeded. Right

1952
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,920
now it's between 283 million and $29

1953
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,196
million. So something large.

1954
01:20:39,196 --> 01:20:41,520
[clears throat] And the intent there to

1955
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,880
make sure that a large project receives

1956
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,199
a very careful

1957
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,679
amount of rigorous exhaustive scrutiny

1958
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:52,080
which may not be handled uh or be able

1959
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,520
to be handled by at least some of the

1960
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,640
counties and say the district won't have

1961
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,440
the staff or the resource to do that. So

1962
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,080
it is not something meant to subvert

1963
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,640
county planning and county regulation

1964
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,760
but to supplement it to make sure that

1965
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,679
this is something good uh you know if

1966
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:09,760
something's going to be approved and

1967
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,080
ultimately what they do uh is they would

1968
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,440
be the ones to use your construction

1969
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,600
permit. So that is the one thing that

1970
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:16,880
comes working with county as I

1971
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,400
understand it or the industrial science

1972
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,159
council for those projects but otherwise

1973
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,960
all of our regulations both zoning and

1974
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,679
other processes still apply and they all

1975
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,600
have to be satisfied by any application

1976
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,719
goes forward right now in the county and

1977
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:34,320
here you can correct me I think there

1978
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,320
are only a couple of large parcels of

1979
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,280
land some industrial and I can think of

1980
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,960
the municipal waste or the land dump um

1981
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,080
city water treatment plant. The land

1982
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,560
occupied by Mount Rocky Mountain Cement

1983
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,400
or Mountain Cement.

1984
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,880
And um there are two parcels of about

1985
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,880
200 acres a piece south of I80 sort of

1986
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,440
northwest of town miles out that were

1987
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,239
and they still are uh zone industrial

1988
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,320
presumably because it's area of oil

1989
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,239
wells and some production facilities

1990
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,960
there. And I think that's it in terms of

1991
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,840
larger parcels and all of those I mean

1992
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,360
the largest would be the would be those

1993
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,080
two parcels put together four acres are

1994
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,679
in fact too small for what we're talking

1995
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:22,320
about for a hyper scale center mega

1996
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,600
center. So the reality is right now if a

1997
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,280
developer walked in the door and said we

1998
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,800
want to uh put up a hyper center and we

1999
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,159
collectively citizens staff this

2000
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,080
commission county commissioner said no

2001
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,960
hell no there's nothing they can do they

2002
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,199
they've got to get approval from us in

2003
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:42,960
addition to whatever happens at district

2004
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,040
council

2005
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,600
the loophole that exists for the wrong reasons in my mind

2006
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,000
and that would be if the county were to

2007
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,280
uh designate and um regulations to

2008
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,840
create industrial park that would

2009
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,920
actually create a site which is more

2010
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,159
shuttle ready for something happen which

2011
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,560
would bypass the industrial sighting

2012
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,120
council which if you were worried about

2013
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,880
bad things happening you would not want

2014
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,639
to happen.

2015
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,800
So that would be the kind of thing you

2016
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,040
would do if you wanted to expedite or

2017
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,760
speed up some large scale process

2018
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,560
because you or for whatever reason. Uh

2019
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,639
so uh if there was any you know urge to

2020
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:27,120
hastily designate some provisions in

2021
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:28,560
Arizona resolution to create industrial

2022
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,719
parks I don't think that'd be a great

2023
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:36,560
idea. Um and uh I will add on two other

2024
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,920
things which are uh here too if someone

2025
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,760
shows up in county mar and wants to

2026
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,639
build a hypers scale facility they're

2027
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:47,199
looking at very very long lead times

2028
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:48,320
they would have to work through walking

2029
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:49,920
mountain power walking on power today

2030
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,920
could not begin to satisfy their needs

2031
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,159
redundant power supply it's a very

2032
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,040
expensive process I mean not these you

2033
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,520
know things like that I google what I

2034
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,120
couldn't find it but it's very expensive

2035
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,159
it's lot of casual expenditure and again

2036
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,840
it takes a long time to get these things

2037
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,320
underway and it works.

2038
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,560
>> So I don't think we face anything urgent

2039
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:11,840
at all. I certainly don't see that we

2040
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,360
needed more toward it. I mean it doesn't

2041
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:14,400
accomplish anything because nothing's

2042
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:19,923
going to happen anytime soon. Um

2043
01:24:19,933 --> 01:24:22,629
[sighs and gasps]

2044
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:25,120
yeah I'll just emphasize one more time.

2045
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,360
If you look at the permitting process,

2046
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:28,639
industrial signing council, you go

2047
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:30,159
online, you can look on actual permit.

2048
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:31,199
You can actually see like for instance

2049
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,120
the real time permit. You can look at

2050
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,560
the most current permit which is just

2051
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,760
approved January July 13th what these

2052
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,000
things are extremely rigorous. They're

2053
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,520
exhaustive. They've got to be expensive

2054
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,800
put together. Very time consuming. Uh

2055
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,199
there is a time limit by which the

2056
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:48,800
industrial sighting council is supposed

2057
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,960
to move an act on a permit. But from

2058
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,000
further reading I don't know if it's

2059
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,320
true or not it is often exceeded. Um,

2060
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,520
so, uh, yeah, I just don't think we face

2061
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,199
anything urgent that we've got to either

2062
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:02,800
do right now or tomorrow, otherwise

2063
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,280
we're screwed. So, with that, I'll be h

2064
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,040
Well, Matt, you want to say something?

2065
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:12,790
>> Yeah. Um,

2066
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,550
so I think that there

2067
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,320
are some clarifications that need to be

2068
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,760
made about the entire system in general.

2069
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:26,400
Um so wind energy is its own beast. Um

2070
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,360
in that instance the legislature passed

2071
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,320
statutory structure in which wind and

2072
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,960
solar energy facilities commercial

2073
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,000
anyway are concurrently

2074
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,560
um permitted by the counties uh and

2075
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,520
state industrial sighting council.

2076
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,560
Uh for anything that is under the

2077
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,880
jurisdiction of the Industrial Sighting

2078
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:55,830
Council, 3512115A

2079
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,199
states that no uh no local government

2080
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,679
may require any approval, consent,

2081
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:04,560
permit, certificate or other condition

2082
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,639
for the construction, operation or

2083
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:09,679
maintenance of a facility authorized by

2084
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:13,520
permit issued pursuant to this chapter.

2085
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,440
I think that that is um pretty clear

2086
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,560
statutory language that if

2087
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,480
ISC is permitting an industrial

2088
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,400
facility,

2089
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,679
local government has no room for

2090
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:28,800
asserting its zoning regulations. Well,

2091
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,639
I read something different and I'll just

2092
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:32,159
read you what I've read and I'm not

2093
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:33,360
saying you're wrong and I'm not saying

2094
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,560
right. I'm just going to read you what I

2095
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,800
found. Uh two paragraphs. The Wyom

2096
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,480
Industrial Sighting Council evaluates

2097
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:40,880
regional social and economic impacts,

2098
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,880
but a project cannot proceed unless it

2099
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,120
also complies with all local zoning

2100
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,440
laws, building codes, and land use

2101
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:50,159
plans. And then addition to that, how

2102
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:52,320
the dual permitting authority work uh

2103
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,440
compliance mandate. Um this it's not

2104
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,120
really the word quite right, but anyway,

2105
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,520
under ISC rules, an industrial facility

2106
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,000
is only considered design in compliance

2107
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,320
if it meets all APA local zoning and

2108
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,880
health and safety ordinances.

2109
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:12,800
And um yeah, so but that was from the uh

2110
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,639
ISC's

2111
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,639
regulations.

2112
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:20,719
>> Uh this was quoted from I guess I'll say

2113
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:22,880
just a legal source or legal authority

2114
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,639
and not directly from actually some of

2115
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:28,159
this came from um the ISA website at

2116
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:31,199
DEQ. So it's a mix of stuff, man.

2117
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,480
>> Okay. because that that first

2118
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,239
um

2119
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,040
that first part that you quoted

2120
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,679
uh I have not seen that in anything

2121
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:43,440
outside of the context of wind

2122
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,280
>> and then I'll also add if you go and

2123
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:46,320
look I mean there's a whole bunch of

2124
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,560
permits online you can look at you can

2125
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,880
see where there are sections basically

2126
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,560
checklist where you know things need to

2127
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,719
comply with local zoning and and so on

2128
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:57,840
forth or not I mean so it's clearly

2129
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:58,639
being looked at

2130
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:00,320
>> it's being looked at

2131
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,000
>> but I'm not sure if that is a

2132
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,679
requirement,

2133
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:05,679
>> something that ISC will make a basis of

2134
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:06,159
denying.

2135
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,239
>> So I'm I'm saying I believe it is and

2136
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,239
I'm also saying I could be wrong.

2137
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:10,800
>> Okay.

2138
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,320
>> So there's an important qualifier. I

2139
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,040
admit that. But I believe this is

2140
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,560
correct.

2141
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,480
>> Okay. Well then secondly, I think that

2142
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,629
loophole is

2143
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:28,880
a bit of a misnomer. Um loophole is

2144
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,910
generally defined as

2145
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,280
an ambiguity or omission uh in the text

2146
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,520
through which the intent of a statute

2147
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,679
may be evaded. Mhm.

2148
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:45,040
>> It was explicitly provided, which is the

2149
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,760
most readily apparent source of the

2150
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,639
intent of a statute, that non-mineral

2151
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:52,800
processing facilities to be constructed

2152
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,760
in existing industrial parks as

2153
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,159
designated by local governments are

2154
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:00,800
exempt from paying fees or from payment

2155
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,199
of fees and certification

2156
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:04,960
procedures, but shall furnish the

2157
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,199
information required

2158
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:10,480
uh under statute. So if it takes place

2159
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:13,360
in a local government designated

2160
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,199
industrial park, there is no ISC permit.

2161
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:20,719
The only thing that

2162
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:22,880
someone an industrial facility has to

2163
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,639
apply to or provide to ISC is a

2164
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,480
description of the nature and location

2165
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,199
of the facility, estimated time of

2166
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:33,440
commencement uh of construction and

2167
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,239
construction time, an estimated numbers

2168
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:38,800
and job classifications

2169
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,480
uh during the construction phase and

2170
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:43,520
operating life of the facility. And I I

2171
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,120
think in this context a loophole has

2172
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,920
been used as it's commonly used. If a

2173
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,960
corporation wished to escape permitting

2174
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,280
from the ISC, this would constitute a

2175
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:54,719
loophole. I think it's being used in

2176
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,000
that context.

2177
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,320
>> Well, it's explicitly allowed under law.

2178
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:58,880
>> Yeah.

2179
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,800
>> So, it's the intent of the law to allow

2180
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,080
it.

2181
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,280
>> Um, it's basically saying that guess the

2182
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:09,440
permitting shifts fully from ISC

2183
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,120
>> to the locality. This would be a way for

2184
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,760
a corporation to evade the ISC if they

2185
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,040
didn't want to move that process.

2186
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,920
>> Yes. And they are really not under the

2187
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,760
purview of industrial set.

2188
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:20,560
>> Yeah.

2189
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,440
>> Uh they're under the purview of DEEQ for

2190
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:25,440
whatever requirements they may have

2191
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,080
regarding air quality, water quality,

2192
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,760
anything like that. But ISC is largely

2193
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:32,800
out of the picture.

2194
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,080
>> So we're we're not really disagreeing

2195
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,440
here. No. Yeah.

2196
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:39,830
>> Just points of clarification.

2197
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,400
David.

2198
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,840
>> Yeah. Can I just add just kind of

2199
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,719
sort of along the same vein is that even

2200
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:50,239
if there's a process to create a

2201
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:53,199
industrial zone, I mean all that does is

2202
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:54,960
give the local governments the

2203
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,800
opportunity to decide whether that

2204
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:01,199
industrial park zone is is goes into

2205
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:02,000
effect or not.

2206
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,440
>> Right. So like if if it's if a data

2207
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:07,520
center wants to come here and they're

2208
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,280
hey we need to do this and it goes

2209
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,560
through the process the board of county

2210
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,360
commissioners can say well I don't want

2211
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,199
to establish this I'd rather have them

2212
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:16,880
go through industrial sighting. So just

2213
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,280
because there's a process to do it

2214
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,440
doesn't mean that the you know the

2215
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:22,719
elected officials the board of county

2216
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:24,239
commissioners is going to elect to do

2217
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:24,639
that.

2218
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:25,920
>> Of course not. So

2219
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,320
>> my point is it's just it puts things a

2220
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:29,760
little bit closer in terms of shovel

2221
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,159
ready than if it weren't in place.

2222
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,239
>> And if you were worried about nefarious

2223
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:37,199
things going up and bribes taking place,

2224
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:38,320
there's [laughter] three county

2225
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,760
commissioners. I don't know how much of

2226
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,960
a bribe it would take to bribe Terry to

2227
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:44,560
>> a lot more money.

2228
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,560
>> A lot.

2229
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,880
But that's my point.

2230
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,679
>> Do we need it? And I I don't say we need

2231
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:52,719
it. We're talking about data centers

2232
01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:54,639
right now. We don't need it. a fool to

2233
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,159
have a data center. We can zone the

2234
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,320
land, you know, industrial because we

2235
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,880
think it's a good idea to do, but I

2236
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:04,560
mean, you can do it also.

2237
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,360
We're off. So I understand why we don't

2238
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,400
want to use the word loophole but I

2239
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:15,360
think that I support uh Chlat's uh idea

2240
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,760
that we do not move forward with

2241
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,320
creating industrial even if there is a

2242
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,120
lot of mechanisms we can use lateral to

2243
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,040
stop things that the public don't we

2244
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,239
work for the public um and if the

2245
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,800
majority of Albony County residents say

2246
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,600
we don't want a data

2247
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,639
Even if we think it's a great idea,

2248
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:41,199
that's not up to us. It's not us make.

2249
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,920
We are making the decision legally, but

2250
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,280
we need to listen to our constituents.

2251
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,239
And the point is why make our life

2252
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:52,560
difficult by creating an industrial

2253
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,639
talk. Let's go with a with a hard harder

2254
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:00,159
process where people can have input when

2255
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,080
people can tell us what they really want

2256
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,000
what they're worried about us finding

2257
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,880
out if this you know in 5 years there

2258
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,520
may not even be cooling systems with

2259
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,679
water you know I mean the field is

2260
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:13,840
moving very fast

2261
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,520
but we don't have you know it's it I

2262
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,239
feel it's our responsibility to listen

2263
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:24,400
to the people of Albany county and right

2264
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,280
now and you you're probably right, we

2265
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,440
don't have to worry about actually

2266
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,480
putting formal moratorum on there, but I

2267
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,040
think we should not make it any easier

2268
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,560
on anyone.

2269
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:41,830
>> Matt, did you have something else?

2270
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:42,719
» Do you?

2271
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:43,520
>> I don't think so.

2272
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:44,639
>> Let's sit down.

2273
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:45,760
>> Should I have something else?

2274
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,824
>> No. I'd like to make a comment.

2275
01:33:47,824 --> 01:33:48,159
[laughter]

2276
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:50,719
>> Ma'am, please step to our recognize her

2277
01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,800
for dinner.

2278
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,520
Thank you. Um I [clears throat] was at

2279
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,239
that meeting last night. Um and I have

2280
01:33:58,239 --> 01:33:59,840
in the past been supportive of data

2281
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,920
centers, not hypers scale data centers,

2282
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,679
but I run the Wyoming State Science Fair

2283
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:06,000
and ENCAR and the supercomputer have

2284
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,000
been supporters for decades of that

2285
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:13,199
program. Um I do see value in small

2286
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:16,639
smaller scale computing. Um the climate

2287
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:17,679
models that came out of those

2288
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:19,520
supercomputers have been fantastic from

2289
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,280
ENCAR and and very valuable. Um but I

2290
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,840
want to just say ask you today or

2291
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,560
implore you today to really consider the

2292
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,360
basics of that are necessary for the

2293
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,199
quality of human life for life in

2294
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:34,800
general and for quality of human life

2295
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,120
and that's clean water means water

2296
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,719
without toxins in in it. It means ample

2297
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:42,719
water supply, which we do have for the

2298
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:44,560
population that we have now, but

2299
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,120
probably not for growth. Um, it means

2300
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,040
water that does not have microplastics

2301
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,520
in it. It means clean air that we can

2302
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,120
breathe um that we have not had that

2303
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,560
this summer um because of wildfires, but

2304
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,639
um but we have had that in the past and

2305
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:02,080
maybe there's a chance that we can

2306
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,840
continue to have some of the cleanest

2307
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,679
air in the country. Um,

2308
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,080
if you consider, I would say please

2309
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,880
don't consider zoning any parts of the

2310
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,320
county for industrial use. Um, once you

2311
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,480
open the doors

2312
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:21,199
to opportunities, it's really hard to

2313
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,920
close and you can't say no as easily.

2314
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,440
So, um, I think opening our county to

2315
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:29,280
that possibility,

2316
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:34,000
um, is harmful in the long run. Um

2317
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,320
suppose that

2318
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,080
is that door is opened and the

2319
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,560
possibility is opened. Um seriously

2320
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,040
consider strong restrictions and I don't

2321
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,960
know at what level you could do this but

2322
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,960
strong restrictions that should a data

2323
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,600
center propose to come into the county

2324
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,239
that they require that we require they

2325
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,159
provide their own water not from our

2326
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:56,080
aquifer not from the aquifer protection

2327
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,960
area. um water that they find somewhere

2328
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,600
else that they and that does not affect

2329
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,480
our water that we need to support our

2330
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,679
community, our life. Um I would suggest

2331
01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:11,920
that you um require that they produce

2332
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,320
their own electricity and not from big

2333
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,679
wind farms um like the rail tie, but

2334
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:20,880
from solar panels on their own buildings

2335
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,679
um if they are allowed. Again, I

2336
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:27,440
advocate for no industrial sighting. um

2337
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,080
zoning in the county period. I think we

2338
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,040
need to prioritize our current citizens

2339
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,560
um and our current um ranchers and

2340
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:37,520
agriculture.

2341
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,320
>> Okay. Thank you.

2342
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,800
>> Nothing much to add. I think u I just

2343
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,800
wanted to let you know I spoke to

2344
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,440
somebody who runs or works for a data

2345
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:50,560
center. The newest ones don't use water

2346
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,639
at all like you mentioned like they're

2347
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,880
running on glycol and all those things.

2348
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,600
So, and then like you said, the power,

2349
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,239
the solar power they harvest, they do

2350
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:03,199
store it and use at night time. So, I

2351
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:04,960
think there are a lot of things like

2352
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,800
they have backup power and stuff like

2353
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,960
that. And Wyoming has surplus power

2354
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,600
obviously. It's not like energy

2355
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,920
negative. We always have more than what

2356
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,679
we use. So, I just want to let you know

2357
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,400
the we currently produce more than we

2358
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,600
use. When you're looking at gigawatt

2359
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,800
data saying export power,

2360
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,440
>> we export power now, but data centers.

2361
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:31,440
>> Yeah. And they tend to eliminate that

2362
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:32,080
extra.

2363
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,719
>> Yeah. But they also have a plan in place

2364
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,400
because they don't want to have no power

2365
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,800
and operate like billions of dollars of

2366
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,280
stuff. So they always have their own

2367
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,080
source of producing it by solar or

2368
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,199
whatever. Like like they won't just come

2369
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:49,280
and say we'll take all your power or

2370
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,600
something. So, and I would also

2371
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,560
recommend like for the people here in

2372
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,040
the committee that if you don't know

2373
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,280
what you're voting on, I would like you

2374
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,320
to not vote. But I just want you to go

2375
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,040
back and learn things or table things,

2376
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,400
not just make decisions like,

2377
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,400
okay, I just don't like it because

2378
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,960
whatever you're deciding is not going to

2379
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,119
make anybody's life better if you are

2380
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:16,639
doing it without knowing what you're

2381
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:21,040
doing. I believe Larmy needs more like

2382
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,520
businesses to come in. I think we need

2383
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,400
to increase the economic activity, not

2384
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,119
restrict things to a point where we are

2385
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:32,239
still living 50 years behind everybody

2386
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:35,280
else or something. I just want to make

2387
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,840
sure if we are not sure, please don't

2388
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,639
say no. Please say I don't know or

2389
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:43,760
something. I just respectfully request.

2390
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,920
We definitely all don't know everything

2391
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,280
about everything but yeah I just want to

2392
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,080
assure you that I mean I also want SL

2393
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,880
let me to grow. It's not like and like

2394
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,360
you mentioned you guys don't have a lot

2395
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,760
of money the reason is you're beating

2396
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,719
yourself up by not letting people to

2397
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:05,119
develop anything because let's say if

2398
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,080
somebody invests $5 million and they

2399
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,560
don't make any money it's their problem.

2400
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,880
The county has nothing to lose. But if

2401
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,760
you are like saying I won't even give

2402
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,920
permission to anybody to come to town or

2403
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,960
do anything that's a problem. They will

2404
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,199
go somewhere else. It's not like you

2405
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:25,520
will restrict somebody's growth forever.

2406
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,360
So

2407
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:31,119
>> I'll just add that uh right now a lot of

2408
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,760
governors are putting moratoriums for

2409
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,520
example in Texas.

2410
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,119
>> Yeah. And uh in Massachusetts they're

2411
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,440
putting statewide moratoriums until we

2412
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:43,679
figure things out. So it's not just us

2413
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:45,360
that need to learn. I think all of us

2414
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:46,480
need to learn.

2415
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,800
>> I mean I mean I'm specifically saying at

2416
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,800
one point in general I want you to have

2417
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,960
an open mind to listen

2418
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,199
>> and ask more questions. Take your time

2419
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:57,199
and not things in two minutes like

2420
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:58,560
there's no rush you know.

2421
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,400
>> Well thank you. Please step forward.

2422
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:00,719
>> Thank you.

2423
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:01,920
>> And who are you?

2424
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,119
>> Celeste Tenner.

2425
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:06,000
>> All right Celeste. So, I have concerns

2426
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,719
about the data centers. I have

2427
01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:10,719
>> We realize you're not alone. [laughter]

2428
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:12,159
>> I don't realize that,

2429
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:12,719
>> right?

2430
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:16,960
>> The uh the county, most of us are not

2431
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,199
people who were born and raised here. We

2432
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:21,600
came here for the air. We came here for

2433
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,280
the water. We came here for the open

2434
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,119
spaces.

2435
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:29,040
This is our savings, if you will. I

2436
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,639
would hate to see us be rash with giving

2437
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:35,600
it to someone who has no vested interest

2438
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,119
in our community. Um, the hypers scale

2439
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,520
data centers are insane as far as the

2440
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:42,960
amount of water, the amount of

2441
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,639
electricity.

2442
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,199
I live up in Centennial Valley this

2443
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:49,360
year. The people are taking the cattle

2444
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,159
off their summer summer rent cattle are

2445
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:55,840
off. The wells are growing dry. There is

2446
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,679
not enough water for us. Why on earth

2447
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:01,440
would we

2448
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,880
bring in something that would take as

2449
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,360
far as my research says

2450
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,639
a million gallons a day up to that. So

2451
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:14,320
point being moratorum I I know you don't

2452
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,080
particularly like that word but I also

2453
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,800
know Morra is dedicated to good

2454
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,320
research. We don't have to make any rash

2455
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,440
decisions and truly I feel we should do

2456
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:29,600
a lot of research before we get moving

2457
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,800
forward on anything like this. Yes,

2458
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:34,800
there there is some economic growth per

2459
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,760
se, but how many jobs you know interrupt

2460
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:38,239
you for a second?

2461
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:39,760
>> Nope. Nope. You can't interrupt me for

2462
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,395
>> Yes, I can because I'm chairman.

2463
01:41:41,395 --> 01:41:42,719
[laughter]

2464
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:44,480
>> You you continue to talk, but just a

2465
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:45,920
question. Have we given you any

2466
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,520
impression at all that we are rushing

2467
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,040
into something or about to make a rash

2468
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,560
decision? No, I'm just telling you my

2469
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:50,880
opinion.

2470
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,199
>> Yeah. And were you at the meeting last

2471
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:53,440
night?

2472
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:54,239
>> I was not.

2473
01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:55,840
>> You were not. Keep on going.

2474
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,440
>> I don't get to town as much as I'd like

2475
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:58,320
to.

2476
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,760
>> Point being, I just feel like the con we

2477
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,840
can watch. We can watch these other

2478
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,520
places with their data centers with

2479
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,119
their concerns with Cheyenne and the

2480
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:08,960
water pollution.

2481
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,119
We don't have to make a decision

2482
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:13,520
rationally. And I think that that's why

2483
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,159
we have you guys in place is so that you

2484
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:20,480
will listen to the people and down the

2485
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:22,719
pike perhaps perhaps it's a good thing

2486
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,280
and solar maybe they can have solar to

2487
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,760
be brutally honest my house is all solar

2488
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,199
and I have lights and computers and

2489
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:33,199
everything at night because it they work

2490
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:34,800
on batteries too. It's not just a

2491
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,080
daytime thing. It's a possibility,

2492
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,800
>> but um

2493
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,480
once these places are in place, what you

2494
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:46,080
know, when you say, "Oh, you know what?

2495
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,760
We don't have enough water for you to do

2496
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:51,119
that this year." I highly doubt that

2497
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:53,840
they're going to just go, "Okay." I mean

2498
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,880
the amount of money they have invested

2499
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,639
for them to have constraints. I would

2500
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:04,080
really like to see ironclad constraints

2501
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,840
if that were a situation.

2502
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:09,119
So there you have it.

2503
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:10,560
>> Well, thank you. We appreciate your

2504
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:14,406
comments. Please step forward.

2505
01:43:14,406 --> 01:43:23,109
[clears throat]

2506
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:24,159
» No, seriously.

2507
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,400
>> I promised I wouldn't yell. I did last

2508
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:27,920
night. Jenny stays.

2509
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:28,880
>> All right.

2510
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,400
>> I share the house with my daughter. I

2511
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,080
share the property. It

2512
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,560
>> we co-own it together. And I would

2513
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,199
suggest that

2514
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:42,080
in the future if a data center or any

2515
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,080
other large large large large

2516
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,360
scale kind of development

2517
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:53,520
um proposed to be here that we say

2518
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,239
you pay your own water

2519
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,480
and you don't use our water. I would

2520
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:01,600
like our community first put first. You

2521
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,920
pay your own disposal.

2522
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,400
You pay your own toxic waste disposal.

2523
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,760
Glycol doesn't get out of the water.

2524
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,440
It's not one of those things that you

2525
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:14,960
can just put a red dye in and it's gone.

2526
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,760
It's toxic forever.

2527
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:19,760
I would suggest that you're going to

2528
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,679
bring the problem here. You take the

2529
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:25,199
problem away. We're not absorbing your

2530
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,440
problem.

2531
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:28,880
>> Thank you.

2532
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,550
>> Anyone else?

2533
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,199
» All right. Well, we've made a one round

2534
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,600
again. Uh, any of you like to comment

2535
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,840
any further? B, Barb,

2536
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:40,960
>> no.

2537
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,960
Greg,

2538
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,119
>> we're off.

2539
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:47,280
>> I just want to thank everybody who sat

2540
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,280
through all our previous discussion just

2541
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,840
to express the opinion. It's highly

2542
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,960
valuable and we appreciate it. It was uh

2543
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,040
heartening to see all the people last

2544
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,000
night and a week ago and I think that's

2545
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,639
great. And one thing that we might

2546
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:06,400
consider if we do face a request for a

2547
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,600
data center of a large industrial site

2548
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:17,679
is that we actually uh uh circulate a ballot around the county

2549
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:22,000
where the information is clear and trans

2550
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,639
transparent about the benefits and the

2551
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:27,840
costs and uh let the people of the

2552
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:31,360
county decide. not leave it to a

2553
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,719
discussion among my highly respected

2554
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:37,440
colleagues, all the county commissioners

2555
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:41,280
that we actually this is such a such a

2556
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,320
critical and important issue that we

2557
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,560
actually ask everybody in the county

2558
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,280
what they want. That would be my

2559
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:50,639
suggestion.

2560
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,360
>> Okay, with that

2561
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,199
discussion and we will move on to staff

2562
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:56,080
updates.

2563
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,719
>> Can we have a little break now? We can

2564
01:45:58,719 --> 01:45:59,920
have a little break now.

2565
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,440
>> Okay. Uh [laughter]

2566
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:03,520
I will everyone be back in five minutes.

2567
01:46:03,520 --> 01:50:42,550
>> Okay.

2568
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,239
social gym reporting. Ready to go?

2569
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:48,400
>> Okay. So, uh, our next item is staff

2570
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,280
updates. David, and why don't you begin

2571
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,119
with introducing our new staff?

2572
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:54,480
>> Sounds good.

2573
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:56,080
>> Um, since we have some new staff.

2574
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,040
>> Yeah, Jeremy, come up. This is Jeremy

2575
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,440
Grover. He is the new assistant planner

2576
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:04,400
for the planning department. Um started

2577
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,159
out approximately

2578
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:07,760
>> like three three two and a half three

2579
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:08,239
weeks ago

2580
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:09,040
>> weeks ago.

2581
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,199
>> July 20th was the first day

2582
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:13,119
>> came from Tennessee to go get away from

2583
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:16,400
the heat. Um I don't know actually for a

2584
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,400
job probably the humidity

2585
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:22,239
>> humidity but yeah um so you'll see more

2586
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,000
of him. He'll be working on some

2587
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,360
projects. I think he's got a project

2588
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,719
that to present next week. So,

2589
01:51:28,719 --> 01:51:33,189
>> um, yeah.

2590
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:34,000
» Thank you.

2591
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,679
>> You have any questions for me?

2592
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:36,719
>> I don't.

2593
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:37,679
>> Tell [laughter] us a little bit about

2594
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:38,400
your background.

2595
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,159
>> I'm curious. So, I this past May, I

2596
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:43,840
recently graduated from Middle Tennessee

2597
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,199
State University, which is in

2598
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:47,840
Murphy'sboro, a you can call it a suburb

2599
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,719
of Nashville. Um, with a political

2600
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,880
science degree, uh, as well as a

2601
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:54,159
philosophy degree.

2602
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:55,679
>> Um,

2603
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:57,760
and my focus was to get into public

2604
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,520
policy of some kind, specifically

2605
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:00,560
planning.

2606
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,040
>> Um, urban regional planning has been

2607
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,320
something I've been interested in for

2608
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,800
quite some time. And living in

2609
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:10,560
Murphy'sboro, it has been in the top 50

2610
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:12,320
fastest growing cities in the country.

2611
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,360
The counties within the top 20 usually

2612
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,440
and the region was not at all prepared

2613
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:19,760
for it and seeing the strain on

2614
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:24,880
resources um and just everything. I mean

2615
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,360
the the city recently just hired on a

2616
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,760
couple of additional planners um to try

2617
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,760
to cope with it. But one of the best

2618
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:32,960
examples that I saw that they were

2619
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,639
unprepared for the level of growth that

2620
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:36,480
they saw that I want future places to be

2621
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:38,719
prepared for is Rutherford County

2622
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:40,560
schools had been opening a brand new

2623
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:41,840
high school that was supposed to help

2624
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:45,199
keep two like that school and another

2625
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:48,080
one under capacity for 5 years. Both

2626
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,400
schools were above capacity the day it

2627
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,560
opened

2628
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,520
>> because more growth happened. And

2629
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:56,880
doesn't seem like that may be a problem

2630
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,199
in in this uh county from what I've been

2631
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,880
able to see. But I want to help prevent

2632
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,599
that from happening just in case.

2633
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:04,800
>> Very good.

2634
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:06,239
>> Thank you.

2635
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:07,280
>> If we have any questions about

2636
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:08,719
Nashville, we'll expect you to answer

2637
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:10,320
them. [laughter]

2638
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:11,679
>> Didn't spend much time there. It was a

2639
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:15,119
bit too busy for me.

2640
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:16,800
>> Real quick announcement. I don't know if

2641
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,920
you burn left a message just saying

2642
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,280
he'll have to catch up with the

2643
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:22,159
discussion later.

2644
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,639
>> Yeah, that No, it's fine.

2645
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:26,800
>> The lead is close to 3:00 a.m. now.

2646
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,760
>> Preston joined us from Spain. I know.

2647
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:31,520
>> Uh so David, why don't we continue to

2648
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:35,030
step up?

2649
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,560
» Um so the last application last month

2650
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,679
that you guys approved was I think you

2651
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:44,000
made the recommendation for approval for

2652
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:45,679
the range acres subdivision final

2653
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:48,320
plaque. Um they were able to get all

2654
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,480
their information they needed together

2655
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:51,920
that were part of your conditions and

2656
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:53,119
get it approved by the board of county

2657
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:58,080
commissioners. So that's all done. Um

2658
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:01,599
yeah um just

2659
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:03,440
we're working on a couple of or few

2660
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:05,760
projects in our office. One of them has

2661
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,280
to do with the data centers. We're also

2662
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,639
working on um some regulatory amendments

2663
01:54:10,639 --> 01:54:12,719
for

2664
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:14,639
because you brought I think we talked

2665
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,239
about some of the stuff that we were

2666
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:18,800
talking about before everybody build on

2667
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:20,800
the planning department. So, now that we

2668
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,960
have staff, again, we're working on um

2669
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,679
battery energy energy storage system

2670
01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:28,400
regulations as well as this short-term

2671
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,599
rental um just some simple res

2672
01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:37,040
regulations there just for you guys to to look at because I believe that was

2673
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,040
what we were directed to at one point in

2674
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:40,400
the past. So,

2675
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,159
>> um so we're moving these things forward.

2676
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:43,119
So,

2677
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,840
>> right. Can I just make a comment?

2678
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,520
>> Absolutely. Right. I mean, I guess I

2679
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:48,239
don't charge. [clears throat]

2680
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,320
>> A lot of people have been asking me

2681
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:54,880
about short-term rentals in my campaign,

2682
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,920
>> my second. So, this is great that we're

2683
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,239
moving forward with that. Thank you.

2684
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:02,239
>> Yeah.

2685
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,239
>> Um, by any chance, have you heard

2686
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:07,040
anything about heirloom?

2687
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,719
>> Oh, what about them?

2688
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,239
>> Have they actually built anything or

2689
01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:11,199
>> Oh, yeah. I think it's up.

2690
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:13,360
>> Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah.

2691
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:15,920
>> Yeah. Is is that the experimental wind?

2692
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,119
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

2693
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:19,040
>> I'm pretty sure it's up. I think I might

2694
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,360
have got an invite to the grand opening,

2695
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,199
but there was I had a conflict or

2696
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:24,560
something. So,

2697
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,040
>> but yeah, if you go drive out towards or

2698
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:30,239
past Rock River, I guess, see if you can

2699
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:31,199
see it.

2700
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:33,679
>> Should look like a

2701
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:34,639
safe for

2702
01:55:34,639 --> 01:55:36,320
>> a weird thing going around. And

2703
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:36,719
>> what's that?

2704
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:40,450
>> Is that what you say for

2705
01:55:40,460 --> 01:55:42,550
[clears throat]

2706
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,159
» anything else? I don't think so. Okay.

2707
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:47,920
Uh,

2708
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,199
do we have any other commissioner

2709
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:50,480
comments or we exhaust also our

2710
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:51,599
comments? Barb, you have anything you

2711
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,520
want to say?

2712
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:54,880
>> Nope, I'm good.

2713
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,400
>> Are you sure? We'd like a comment from

2714
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,800
you. [laughter]

2715
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,400
>> No, that's fine. Craig, how about

2716
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:01,119
yourself?

2717
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,199
>> I'm I've had enough comments tonight. I

2718
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:04,719
think I'm good.

2719
01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:05,760
>> I'm good.

2720
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:06,320
>> Thank you.

2721
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:07,440
>> Matt, you've got something you like to

2722
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:08,000
say?

2723
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,360
>> Yeah. Um, I guess probably should have

2724
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:15,119
could have said it earlier, but uh a few

2725
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:18,400
months ago um at a county commissioners

2726
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,480
meeting there was a presentation on data

2727
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,639
center regulation uh from

2728
01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:28,639
uh one of the the economic development

2729
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:32,480
coordinator for I guess whatever Laram

2730
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,639
County's economic development coalition.

2731
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:38,880
>> Leads. Yeah, leads or something like

2732
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:39,520
that.

2733
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,599
>> Um leads

2734
01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:46,080
>> and uh we were directed um by the

2735
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,400
commission well staff was directed by

2736
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:51,440
the commissioners to develop

2737
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,480
uh regulations for industrial park

2738
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,639
permitting of

2739
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:59,280
data centers. So, we have been working

2740
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:02,080
on that uh for some time and I think

2741
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,480
that we'll have something polished

2742
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,280
enough to provide to the commission or

2743
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,920
to this commission um by the September

2744
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,480
meeting. Obviously, that is um it's up

2745
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:17,040
to you what you do with it,

2746
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,560
but

2747
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,159
we're following our directives.

2748
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:21,599
>> Well, that's exactly what you should

2749
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:22,080
have been doing. [laughter]

2750
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,639
>> Yeah. So, no worries. I'm glad to hear

2751
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:25,520
you're doing

2752
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,040
>> Yeah. what commissioners asked you to

2753
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:28,480
do.

2754
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:29,119
>> That's That's

2755
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:32,239
>> Oh, and I don't know if anyone didn't

2756
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:36,070
hear um

2757
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:37,599
that was like right when I got back. So,

2758
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:41,119
what was that? July 11th, thereabout.

2759
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:43,599
Yeah, it was the the day that I was

2760
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:46,719
coming back to work after being on

2761
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:50,560
paternity leave. Um the Wyoming Supreme

2762
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,771
Court uh yeah ruled in in

2763
01:57:52,771 --> 01:57:54,400
[clears throat] favor of the county on

2764
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,960
the APO 2023 APS amendments.

2765
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:57,920
>> I have not heard that.

2766
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:58,560
>> Oh, okay.

2767
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,631
>> You haven't?

2768
01:58:00,631 --> 01:58:01,040
[clears throat]

2769
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:02,880
>> Yeah. So, um

2770
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:04,880
>> that's why we have staff updates.

2771
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:05,199
>> Yeah.

2772
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:07,199
>> So, I know. [laughter]

2773
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,080
>> I even sent him I even sent him

2774
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:14,719
congratulations. They found that the um

2775
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:16,560
that the protection of the Casper

2776
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,960
aquifer through

2777
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:23,280
uh prohibiting land uses and restricting

2778
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:26,480
um lot sizes is within the county zoning

2779
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,800
authority. Um [clears throat]

2780
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:29,840
>> yeah,

2781
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,599
>> but yeah, I mean that's the that's

2782
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:33,520
acknowledge your great work there. Yes.

2783
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:33,840
Well,

2784
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,000
>> that's [laughter] great. It's a huge and

2785
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,520
thank you for all the work you put into

2786
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:38,880
it.

2787
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,599
>> It restarted

2788
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:44,880
or caused to resume from a stay that

2789
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,560
been put on um Warm Livestock's appeal

2790
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:52,560
of the December 2024 APS amendments. It

2791
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:56,800
was like the big update that we did um

2792
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,360
with the cap update based on the cap

2793
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:03,679
update and then um also the

2794
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:06,080
warm livestock's uh declaratory judgment

2795
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,320
action against the adoption of the cap

2796
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:11,760
update itself and then the the boundary

2797
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,719
amendments that occurred in January of

2798
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,880
2024.

2799
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,560
Um, so I guess just just like anything

2800
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,560
with the aquifer, nothing is fully

2801
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:25,119
settled, but

2802
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:27,280
uh, oral argument will be in the

2803
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:31,119
district court on that appeal August

2804
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:35,440
30th. 31st somewhere around there. So

2805
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,227
that's back to staff updates, but I

2806
01:59:38,227 --> 01:59:38,960
[clears throat] don't have anything

2807
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,639
further. Sorry.

2808
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:42,080
>> No, nothing to be sorry for. Thank you

2809
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:43,920
for that.

2810
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,639
Well, in that case, uh, our next regular

2811
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:49,920
meeting is September 9th here at 5:00

2812
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:51,679
and I am

2813
01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:53,840
>> I will be in Mongolia.

2814
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:54,320
>> Okay.

2815
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:58,639
>> And I will not have intellect. So just

2816
01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:01,119
for

2817
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:04,229
purposes

2818
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:07,040
» and I