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We want to apologize to everybody just a

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little bit for being

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a little tardy for our meeting because

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we were all over the county commission

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meetings

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trying to watch over our

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water

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project down on 115. So, if anybody in

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this room

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gets

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good or bad information from that

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meeting, please raise your hand and

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we'll recognize that.

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I'd like to call upon the Scouts from

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Troop 301 to

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Scoutmaster.

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>> All right. Bow your heads, please.

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Heavenly Father, we gather today

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grateful for the community we share and

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the freedom we enjoy. As this flag is

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presented, let it serve as a powerful

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reminder of our unity, our history, and

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the shared values that bind us together.

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Grant our local leaders the wisdom,

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humility, and strength to serve this

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community with integrity.

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Bless all those who serve, past and

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present, to protect and uphold the

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ideals this flag represents. May we

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leave this room today steadfast in our

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duty to each other and dedicated to the

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service of our neighbors. Amen.

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All right. Will you all join me in the

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pledge?

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I pledge

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>> allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» I can recognize this fine young the

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young men.

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» I'll be young today.

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>> There you go. You know enough.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yes, sir.

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» Oh.

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was that again?

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>> Okay.

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>> You can go on the points.

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So, on behalf of the America 250

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Committee,

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we're making this presentation to you

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and I think that extends to your entire

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department. I want to recognize the

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chief. During the 4th of July

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festivities, we had not a single heat

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related incident. We had not a single

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fender bender.

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We didn't have any problem at all.

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That's the way to count on you.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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>> I'll pass it on to you.

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>> THANK YOU.

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>> [applause]

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» ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS TO THE

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RELATIONS?

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I DON'T HAVE ANY motions to bring to the

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agenda.

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>> On the table.

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>> Thank you.

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» I move to adopt.

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>> General public comments.

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» Ladies and gentlemen,

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Is this Ragland?

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>> Who is the one who made this

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presentation?

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» Thank you.

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>> Okay. I'm sorry.

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So, we will close today.

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Hi, Mrs. Ragland.

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>> We'll we'll come back to you in just a

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moment, please. I've got another order

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over here. Thank you.

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routine business with consent? Consent

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business?

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>> Mr. Mayor, I make a motion we accept the

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routine consent agenda as written.

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>> Second.

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>> All in favor?

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Mr. Manager.

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>> Mr. Mayor, if I could chime in here.

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At the last meeting here, it was

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mentioned by the board that they would

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like to

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learn some additionally about the river

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district area. And as a result, the

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developer

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Marty Pearson,

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who's with the non-profit,

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uh has suggested that he would be in a

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position to come up

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with a special meeting

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on August 24th that morning. And then of

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course that evening

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is the Wilkesboro WCC annual meeting.

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So, you can be here

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for that as well.

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Wilkesboro has expressed interest with

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the Wilkesboro board and possibly a

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joint meeting with the North Wilkesboro

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board

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at the 1915 location, which they will

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also have

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offered the use of

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on that morning of August 24th.

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um we just need to

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define a time. And if that's convenient

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>> I'm good with August 24th.

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» Tuesday is fine.

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>> That's fine.

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» Okay, Tuesday at 9:00

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>> So, we'll have that set when we that

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coordinated and then we'll let you know.

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the time.

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coordinating a single meeting monthly

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versus two meetings which we're

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currently doing.

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potentially result in substantial

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time savings and

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a lot of paperwork and such, especially

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efficient and

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and putting more data out on the internet with global access.

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I just wanted to ask the board's

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consideration to

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entertain possibilities for

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a

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third Thursday meeting each month and

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move away from the two.

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>> Would you be okay if we had some

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internal discussions over the next

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couple of weeks and come back with a

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decision on the

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20 Whatever the next board meeting is.

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27th. Yeah, the 27th. Are you okay with

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way we can [clears throat] just

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kind of

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mull it over and

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>> Absolutely.

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>> Just want to let I just, you know,

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get a get a

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as uh someone once said, get a

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temperature of the board. See how they

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feel about it.

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has no problem with it.

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to change the code

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to make that change.

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>> My comment would be is that's in my time

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here that

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the chairman Blankly has been

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instrumental in giving us strength and I

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think that would

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allow him to use his talents more

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properly before

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consider that.

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» Uh the next item that I'll mention

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uh we had discussed with knowing the

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timing of it.

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work with David Weaver and Mike Rivers

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they provided an estimate

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as well as the cost associated with that

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involving the use of the equipment

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staff would have

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and that total came up to $259.37

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as their estimate

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for mowing weeds.

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happy to say that

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I made

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a mistake because I don't want to

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commercial

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in that

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they could mow all of the property we

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in Mississippi railway station

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and Sandy Hollow

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that was

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it was $75

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putting out the bid

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and see what we may be able to do

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if that becomes an issue.

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» That's for information purposes.

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had David Weaver

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been discussing our need for a new

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garbage truck.

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trash truck

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the the canister unit on it.

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is obsolete

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that's not available.

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we've tried several resources to do

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that. So,

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identified

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a unit that

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actually was brought up as a

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demonstrator unit

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for our use for a couple of days.

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I don't know if I can add anything with

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essentially that truck in lieu of two

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loads to the landfill today

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based on the

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auction

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It lessened our hauls to one time today

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for that particular truck.

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>> Yes.

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>> And so

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that alone would identify and save

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somewhere between 3,500 and 4,000

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dollars annually

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in this fuel.

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you can sort of clarify the cost of this

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unit. I think it's 287,601. [snorts]

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And uh we discussed lease possibilities.

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It doesn't appear that that's

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a viable option.

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» The lease [clears throat]

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The lease on it was like $6,000 and some

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a month

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for 18-month lease and the time you add

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>> [clears throat]

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>> lease payments up

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and then I think there was somewhere in

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the neighborhood of $210,000

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left to pay at the end of the lease,

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you're $50,000 more than what it would

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be just to buy the truck straight out.

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and they they done a 24-month lease also

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and it was the same way. Still coming up

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$50,000 more than what the truck would

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cost if we bought it.

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» This is a 2026 Freightliner or

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something?

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>> Yes. And it's a square body style now

296
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and what we're running now is the round

297
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canister style.

298
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Um

299
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the round canister style has one

300
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telescoping piston cylinder that packs

301
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and

302
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the packer goes in and people are like,

303
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,640
"What is this?"

304
00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,839
And it pushes it where the seals and

305
00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,440
stuff out in that telescoping

306
00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,120
cylinder and that cylinder is $12,000

307
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and we usually go through about one of

308
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those

309
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a year.

310
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So it's about all we would of

311
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them. And uh the one that we're looking

312
00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,400
at, the square body, it gets up two

313
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cylinders that pushes the packer

314
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and it packs it tight. That's the way we

315
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can get everything in one day on one

316
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load.

317
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Instead of having two loads like we're

318
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doing today.

319
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» Now, this is So, is this truck

320
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Is that for recycling or is this for

321
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garbage?

322
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>> This

323
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The truck that we're running every day

324
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now will go to

325
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with our backup truck and run for

326
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cardboard on Fridays. But the new truck

327
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will go in service and be running every

328
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day for the commercial dumpster route.

329
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>> Now, which one

330
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Is this the one that we

331
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for the alleys that would go to sideways

332
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>> Yes.

333
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>> Yeah, I know.

334
00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:16,600
>> Yeah.

335
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,320
>> We talked about that.

336
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>> Yeah, we talked about

337
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>> Yeah.

338
00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,790
Okay.

339
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Is that [clears throat]

340
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the future? I know a lot of commercial

341
00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,600
people are going to the front loader.

342
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,200
>> We have looked into the front loader. Um

343
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,000
It will It will work in some places in

344
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,960
town. Some places it won't. Big problem

345
00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,320
we're going to have

346
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is some of the alleys here in town

347
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and some American Corners and the way

348
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they got their dumpsters laid out.

349
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,200
Um it'd be hard to get into there.

350
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Uh another problem we got is the town

351
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does not own the dumpsters

352
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and the businesses own them.

353
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And to be able to use a front loader,

354
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there's a cost with putting sleeves on

355
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the side of the dumpster so the arms can

356
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get them in.

357
00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,520
And I checked with Jim Beeman and he

358
00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,040
said it's about $300 a dumpster

359
00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,640
to put those on.

360
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And uh so that would

361
00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,160
to go to a front loader, that would have

362
00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,200
to be

363
00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,760
something that you know would have to be

364
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discussed between with the town and the

365
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,640
customers. And also with a front load

366
00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,920
truck,

367
00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,600
you're looking at

368
00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,160
a little over $400,000 for a truck.

369
00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,839
And um

370
00:13:28,839 --> 00:13:29,839
so

371
00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:32,280
the trucks uh

372
00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,200
GS Products, which I got the quote from,

373
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,360
uh they're in use down towards the coast.

374
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,240
Um

375
00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,440
Gatlinburg uses them, and they're really

376
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,800
big in Texas. So, there's it's not a lot

377
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:47,920
where

378
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,800
out there on the limb.

379
00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,800
Uh and with this truck, will we get the

380
00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000
same warranty as the

381
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,720
In fact, it is the same as Freightliner.

382
00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,440
Uh there's

383
00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,800
pretty much except for the truck

384
00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,760
chassis, uh we're going to be short like

385
00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,040
3 months on it.

386
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,040
>> Okay, but everything else

387
00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,640
>> Yeah, everything else will have warranty

388
00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,510
on it, just

389
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,544
» How many How many units

390
00:14:09,544 --> 00:14:09,760
>> [snorts]

391
00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,960
>> waste disposal units are there out there some 140?

392
00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,760
>> There's some 140

393
00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120
stops, but some of the stops has got

394
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,200
more than one dumpster, like the

395
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,280
Department of Correction, they got six.

396
00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,240
So,

397
00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,800
uh they're picking up several

398
00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,750
dumpsters in that area.

399
00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560
» Is there any advantage to

400
00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,480
I mean, I know leasing and leasing is an

401
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440
expensive option a lot of times. Is

402
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,240
there any advantage

403
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,040
to

404
00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,040
uh financing the I mean, you know, like

405
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,080
instead of just the

406
00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,640
single cash outlay, you know,

407
00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,160
putting a

408
00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,080
deposit down and then

409
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,880
you know,

410
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,839
paying the rest over time? Is there an

411
00:14:52,839 --> 00:14:54,920
advantage or not?

412
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,480
>> In my opinion,

413
00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,400
I think

414
00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,240
in this situation, you'd be better off

415
00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,440
to

416
00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,080
just

417
00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,120
>> I get your point. Buy basically.

418
00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,600
Okay.

419
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,240
>> Yes.

420
00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,480
>> Also, I have a question I can't see.

421
00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,280
>> Uh we usually try to get 5 years

422
00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,040
everyday service out of it,

423
00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,400
and then

424
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,520
buy another one and it goes to a backup

425
00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,280
and get at least 5 to 10 more out of it.

426
00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,720
Cuz it's not running everyday.

427
00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,320
>> The existing unit you have, you had it

428
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,560
for

429
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560
>> The existing unit we got a for a 2020

430
00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,840
that we're running right now.

431
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,960
Uh the one that we will be replacing is

432
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,310
a 2012.

433
00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,680
» You know, I talked to Mayor Wilson Wlkes

434
00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120
for about the possibility of

435
00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,840
uh

436
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,000
calculating some method in the future

437
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,400
where we could

438
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,720
uh

439
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,800
share

440
00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,920
truck. Pay due uh bi-weekly.

441
00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,040
Uh

442
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,880
recycling pickup, I'm assuming that's

443
00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,080
the roll out.

444
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,720
And those are rear load, correct?

445
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,560
>> Yes.

446
00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,520
>> Uh

447
00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,920
what's your opinion Well,

448
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,640
could you look into that just for the

449
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,400
future, not this truck. I'm not saying

450
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,360
that for the future

451
00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,920
where we might save money for both

452
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,080
towns.

453
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,800
>> It'd be tight and it'd be hard to do cuz

454
00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,320
we we run 4 days a week uh trash and

455
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,400
recycling's every other week and

456
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,760
you know, something that we could look

457
00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,520
into.

458
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,350
>> Not impossible.

459
00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,240
No.

460
00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,680
>> I would think so.

461
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,000
>> Eddie, where would the funding come from

462
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:27,839
this? Would it have to come from the

463
00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:29,040
fund balance?

464
00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,000
>> It would. Yes, sir.

465
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,960
>> Are we in a position fund balance-wise

466
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,320
to be able to afford this?

467
00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,160
>> We can. Yes, sir.

468
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,320
>> Well,

469
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,400
you know, capital expenditures what the

470
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,280
fund balance is for. It's always been in

471
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,280
my mind what the fund balance was meant

472
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,960
to be used for.

473
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,680
The services the citizens of North

474
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,600
Wilkesboro. So,

475
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,040
from this chair,

476
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,310
I'm I'm fine with proceeding. Uh um

477
00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,880
do we need further investigation or can

478
00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,280
we just codify this in the form of a

479
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,880
motion?

480
00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,800
>> We can

481
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,040
proceed.

482
00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,839
This this truck is on um North Carolina

483
00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,720
Sheriff's Association and me and Eddie

484
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,800
also talked to uh Mack representative.

485
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,079
The Mack representative was 220 or 328.

486
00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,319
for this truck. and the only

487
00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:21,680
difference is is the chassis. It's got

488
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,800
same better.

489
00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,600
>> Well,

490
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,600
you know,

491
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,439
there's nothing wrong with the

492
00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,000
Freightliner.

493
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,640
The Bulldog is neat, but the

494
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,280
Freightliner will suffice.

495
00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,960
>> And this Freightliner we can have it

496
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,830
within a week.

497
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,240
» What's the thing?

498
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,440
What what are you going to do with the

499
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,360
old truck?

500
00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,680
>> We'll put it on GovDeals and sell it.

501
00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,960
Yeah.

502
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,840
You get what you can, I guess.

503
00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,680
>> Chris, what do you You you want to work?

504
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,360
Good.

505
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:52,000
Uh

506
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,800
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion

507
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,680
that we proceed with the purchase of

508
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,160
trash truck

509
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,280
from GSP Marketing for the amount of

510
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,990
$287,601.

511
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,840
>> I'll second.

512
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,680
>> All in favor.

513
00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,800
>> Aye.

514
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,520
>> Thank you all.

515
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,320
>> Thank you.

516
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,600
>> Thanks for your due diligence, John.

517
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:18,070
You're welcome.

518
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,470
>> I did.

519
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,320
» All right.

520
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,600
>> Any old business?

521
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,760
>> No.

522
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,560
Any old business?

523
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,030
>> How about that?

524
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,320
» Any business?

525
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,040
We can call for a public hearing

526
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,680
for the removal of personal ID 2203757

527
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:52,750
from the county of PJ.

528
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,600
And and let me remind you folks that

529
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,120
you'll be able to speak during this

530
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:57,080
time.

531
00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:57,800
Uh

532
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,000
and you will uh

533
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:07,563
just maybe 5 minutes.

534
00:19:07,573 --> 00:19:09,320
» [clears throat]

535
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,720
>> Can anybody else get to see you all

536
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,320
again?

537
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,640
>> Um

538
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,960
what you've got here before you tonight

539
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,360
is a request, a public hearing for the

540
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,680
removal of a certain parcel identified

541
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,000
as 2203

542
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,440
757 from the town's extraterritorial

543
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,640
jurisdiction.

544
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,640
Just as a reminder, the extraterritorial

545
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,280
jurisdiction is where we govern our

546
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,080
zoning regulations. We do not have

547
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,200
public

548
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,160
um police powers there. So, um most of

549
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,240
the regulation that you find in ETJ is

550
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,120
strictly to

551
00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:45,320
um straight from your zoning ordinance.

552
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,560
The request tonight is to, as I stated,

553
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,800
remove a parcel from the Town of

554
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,440
Wilkesboro's ETJ. The property, which

555
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,120
we'll get to a location of that property

556
00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,960
here in a minute and an actual map for

557
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,520
you to look at for members of the public

558
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760
here tonight to look at, is off of Old

559
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,040
US 421 Road and Lincoln Heights Road

560
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,880
near the intersection.

561
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,760
The total acreage for the parcel is 5

562
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,880
acres.

563
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,440
Town sewer is available for this par-

564
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,840
parcel and access to water is available

565
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,240
for this parcel through a private water

566
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,760
association.

567
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,348
Um just as a reminder,

568
00:20:16,348 --> 00:20:16,520
>> [clears throat]

569
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,600
>> excuse me,

570
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,920
any connection to town sewer in the

571
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,720
future would require an annexation of

572
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,920
this property.

573
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,920
So, I'm going to go over the um

574
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,040
location and we'll kind of flip back to

575
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,920
this map just to give a general idea of

576
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,920
where this property is located. So,

577
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:38,040
you've got here the location of the property is right

578
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,040
here where the circle dot is and you've

579
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,280
got your

580
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,040
uh Lincoln Heights Road and your Old US

581
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,600
421 Road. Um this map is quite detailed

582
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,960
um because of the location where it is,

583
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,320
it falls um in a unique situation. So,

584
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,480
the property itself is zoned R6

585
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,520
high-density residential.

586
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,960
There um and we'll get to the

587
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,080
surrounding zoning here in a minute to

588
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,000
talk about the property in more depth.

589
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,560
Um

590
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,320
but you will find that there is This map

591
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,800
does look a little busy, so I'll go into

592
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,400
some more detail later on.

593
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,960
So, as part of the request to remove a

594
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960
piece of land from the town's ETJ, the

595
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,280
recommendation is to follow the same way

596
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,920
it was established.

597
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,680
Um, obviously we've had our ETJ for

598
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,800
quite a few years now, decades. Um, and

599
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,440
the way that it is established typically

600
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,080
to call for a public hearing and to

601
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,200
provide notice to the property owner.

602
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,840
So, the town of Rolesville, you can see

603
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,040
advertised on June 26th, 2026,

604
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,920
which is required to provide more than

605
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,400
that 2-week um requirement for

606
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,280
rezonings. It's just recommended to

607
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,640
provide a month, so more than a month is

608
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,320
provided. Um, so on June 26th, letters

609
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,480
were sent out to both the applicant, the

610
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,760
Vanderbigs who are here tonight. Um, if

611
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,200
you have any questions for them after I

612
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,200
get done speaking, as well as to the

613
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,400
neighboring property owners, and those

614
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,840
property owners are identified um in

615
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,520
that map here. Um, anybody who was

616
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040
adjacent or abutting to these properties

617
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,870
would have been sent a letter.

618
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,560
Recommendation also is to post the

619
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,240
property, so as you guys can see, on

620
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,000
June 26th, two signs were put on the

621
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,320
property, one on the intersection, one

622
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,920
on the Heights Road, and one on both US

623
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,430
401.

624
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,560
As part of your agenda packet, um you

625
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640
will find what we kind of formally call

626
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,240
the application. Um, it is a letter from

627
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,880
the um applicants here tonight

628
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,920
requesting that the board consider

629
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,440
removal of the property from the town's

630
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,910
extraterritorial jurisdiction.

631
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,040
Again, as part of um the notification,

632
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,880
um an advertisement was put in the

633
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,280
Rolesville in the Rolesville Storm

634
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760
Patriot on July 1st. That ran one time

635
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280
notifying the public of the public

636
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,840
hearing tonight.

637
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,080
So, we need to get into the review

638
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,920
criteria, but ultimately we'll start

639
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,360
with the future land use map, which is

640
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,520
having your comprehensive land use plan.

641
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,360
So, the future land use map identifies

642
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:08,880
this parcel as medium density

643
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,120
residential. As explained in previous

644
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,040
hearings, medium density density

645
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,320
residential doesn't tie the board to a

646
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,880
specific zoning district in our in our

647
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,400
zoning table.

648
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,560
However, it does allude that the

649
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,160
comprehensive plan envisioned this

650
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,680
property to have some kind of medium

651
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,240
density residential designation through

652
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,840
some zoning practices.

653
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,400
So, in considering the following

654
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,240
factors, in considering the request

655
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,680
tonight, the following factors need to

656
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,160
be considered. The first is the

657
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960
consistency of the proposed zoning with

658
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,920
the Town of Wilkesboro's comprehensive

659
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,920
plan.

660
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
So, ultimately, as explained, the

661
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,520
comprehensive plan identifies this as

662
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600
medium density residential. And to move

663
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,960
into the next

664
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000
item, the future development oversight,

665
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,680
currently, the property is in the town's

666
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,200
zoning jurisdiction. If the property

667
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,040
were is would be removed, the town's

668
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,480
all future development would be governed

669
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,400
by Wilkes County development

670
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,160
regulations. And, you know, I'm sure

671
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,400
there would be questions on what that

672
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,280
would look like, whatever Wilkes County

673
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280
development regulations allow. And those

674
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,440
could change. So, ultimately, I don't

675
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,080
really want to look into a specific

676
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080
regulation because we don't control

677
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,680
whether it changes or, you know, whether

678
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,400
it doesn't. Um it's just ultimately

679
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,160
future development is solely governed by

680
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,160
the county.

681
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,040
And whatever the county imposes.

682
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,920
Surrounding land uses. So, this is where

683
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,520
we'll start talking about what is in the

684
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440
general vicinity.

685
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Um primarily, most of the surrounding

686
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560
land uses are residential to the north,

687
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,640
south, east, and west. You do have some

688
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,080
vacant lots. We'll flip to that zoning

689
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,680
map here in a minute.

690
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Um

691
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,960
you also have, uniquely, a parking lot

692
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,080
to the northeast. The Town of North

693
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,440
Wilkesboro's jurisdiction serves that

694
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,240
parcel, and it's where the parking lot

695
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,880
for the Rolling Pines disc golf course

696
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,880
is located. And I'm going to promise I

697
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,720
will flip to a map so you guys can put

698
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,040
some eyes on it.

699
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,680
Um

700
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,880
There is some commercial, residential,

701
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,000
institutional, and utility uses found in

702
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,760
the vicinity in in the town of North

703
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,160
Wilkesboro's jurisdiction as well. Um

704
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,080
there's also a few vacant properties and

705
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,440
an industrial property found in the

706
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480
vicinity that's governed by the county.

707
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,160
So, I'm going to split back to this map

708
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,600
to kind of give you a general idea as

709
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,800
we've moved into zoning and the

710
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
discussion of the zoning districts.

711
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040
So, to give the board a general idea,

712
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,200
here is your Rolling Pines disc, of

713
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,840
course, um parking lot.

714
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,640
The non-colored areas are all county um

715
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,480
governed parcels. So, you kind of got a

716
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,000
donut hole here correct currently. But,

717
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,520
the properties that are cross-hatched

718
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,480
are Wilkesboro Town of Wilkesboro's um

719
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,640
zoned properties. Um so, starting with

720
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,680
the town of North Wilkesboro, the zoning

721
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,760
in this area is primarily, as you can

722
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,120
see that R-6 high-density residential.

723
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:57,960
We have a little bit of office and

724
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440
institutional to the south where the

725
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,560
Lincoln Heights School is,

726
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,920
um as well as um other a few other

727
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,400
parcels. And you've got to the

728
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,360
east of that parcel, you've got some

729
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,760
low-density residential R-10 zoned, but

730
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,880
primarily R-6.

731
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,800
Moving to the county,

732
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,920
unzoned properties, county development

733
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,000
regulations apply here on the

734
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,920
non-highlighted areas.

735
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,440
And then to the cross-hatched property

736
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,440
of our neighbor Wilkesboro, you've got

737
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,040
some cross-hatched. You've got some

738
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,000
suburban residential in red. You've got

739
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,840
some in light blue general residential.

740
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,160
And you've got a little bit of general

741
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,440
business

742
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,920
um designation here off of

743
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Old US 421 here in the southwest

744
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,030
corner of this map.

745
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,320
So, moving on to this further

746
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760
discussion, you've got your

747
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,000
consistency with the plan, the future of

748
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,720
this site, your surrounding land use,

749
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,320
and your surrounding zoning that we kind

750
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,960
of touched on.

751
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Um

752
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,160
before we move any further, does any of

753
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,880
you guys have any questions for me

754
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,760
before we move into the planning

755
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,348
towards the determination?

756
00:27:08,348 --> 00:27:10,550
>> [clears throat]

757
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560
» Where are the cemeteries?

758
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,680
>> So, there is an identified cemetery that

759
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,560
is that was brought to two staff's

760
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,840
attention. You know, if I don't see

761
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,520
something directly on the map, it is

762
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,880
there that that is something that was

763
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,440
brought to my attention that is in the

764
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,120
vicinity of this parcel. That is I've

765
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,440
been told is not

766
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,760
part of any development on this parcel.

767
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,520
>> So, it is not on this parcel. Is it in

768
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,160
the

769
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,360
adjacent parcel?

770
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,840
>> I'm going to let the applicant speak to

771
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,680
that because I'm unaware of its

772
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,440
whereabouts. I think what's explained to

773
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,320
me is, correct me if I'm wrong, but is

774
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,400
it in this south corner here?

775
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,200
>> I believe so. It's not on the parcel.

776
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,400
>> It's not on the parcel, though. It's

777
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,840
not.

778
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,360
>> No.

779
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,520
>> Yeah.

780
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,040
>> So, it's the family

781
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,800
>> family cemetery.

782
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,920
>> I I I I would assume I'm I'm unaware, to

783
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,440
be honest. I would be honest about that.

784
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840
Nothing visible from the road, so

785
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,880
you know, I I do try to take what I can

786
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,120
see, I try to take that into

787
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,960
consideration, but ultimately if there

788
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,280
is something that I'm unaware of, that

789
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,800
that's that would be something that I

790
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,680
would defer to the applicants to speak

791
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,150
more on.

792
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,800
So, going through these review criteria,

793
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,760
the planning board for the town of

794
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,440
Wilkesboro met on June 11th to consider

795
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840
the request, and they made a formal

796
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,680
recommendation to deny the request, and

797
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,960
that agenda is that that recommendation

798
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,600
to deny is currently in your agenda

799
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,760
packet.

800
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,680
Um additionally, at the June 30th

801
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,840
meeting, 2026, the town of Wilkesboro's

802
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280
planning board unanimously agreed with

803
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,880
the North Wilkesboro's planning board's

804
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,440
recommendation, and their attachment is

805
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880
also found in your agenda packet.

806
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Here is a copy of the planning board's

807
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600
recommendation, and then an informal

808
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,840
email sent by the planning director,

809
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,680
planning and community development

810
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720
director Andrew Carlton regarding

811
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Wilkesboro's agreement with the town of

812
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,520
North Wilkesboro planning board

813
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,200
director, which

814
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,400
So, ultimately there tonight before you,

815
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,320
before we get obviously into a motion, I

816
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,000
know there will be some moments for a

817
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,080
public comment. Um

818
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,920
there are also goals and policies as

819
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,720
part of your motion that you are more

820
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,160
than welcome to remove or add to your

821
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720
consistency statement if you feel the

822
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600
need to do so. And without any further

823
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,040
comment, I'll turn it over to the board

824
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240
for any comments from me or um comments

825
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,240
from the applicant and then ultimately

826
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:40,590
the public for any comments they have.

827
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,480
» Mhm, I'd like to

828
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,680
uh call on

829
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Christina

830
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Vanderbilt.

831
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,670
Just

832
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,600
» Hello.

833
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,480
Um

834
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,800
did you have questions first or did you

835
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,800
>> No, you signed up to speak. Tell us what

836
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,480
you

837
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Just identify yourself, please.

838
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240
>> My name is Christina Nicole Vanderbilt

839
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
and I'm here with my husband, Richard.

840
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,720
Um

841
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320
we're here, of course, as they stated to

842
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,320
request removal of our property from the

843
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,280
ETJ of

844
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,950
North Wilkesboro.

845
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Our property is approximately 5 acres.

846
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680
It directly borders the one property

847
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,120
that is already in the Wilkes County

848
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,840
district.

849
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Wilkesboro station.

850
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Uh while other surrounding properties

851
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,830
have been in North Wilkesboro ETJ.

852
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Sorry.

853
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,640
>> That's all right.

854
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,080
>> Okay.

855
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,480
>> Don't be nervous.

856
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,160
>> It's a big deal for

857
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Um

858
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,720
I'm asking the board to recognize that

859
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,440
this is a unique

860
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,280
uniquely large parcel with the area

861
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,680
within the area and that the size of the

862
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,560
intended use

863
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,560
are different for the typical smaller

864
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,320
residential properties that are around

865
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,960
which are typically 1 acre or less.

866
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,720
Um our plans for the property are

867
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,440
primarily residential and family

868
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,760
oriented.

869
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Um we intend to establish a private

870
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,080
homestead with our home residence

871
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720
regarding our personal non-commercial

872
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,680
animals.

873
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Um

874
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
there is also an important family reason

875
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,160
for how I plan to use the property or we

876
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,600
plan to use the property.

877
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040
We have a son with autism and we would

878
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,000
like

879
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
eventually provide him a small home on

880
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,440
the property close enough to our own

881
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,280
home that we can

882
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600
be there when he needs assistance while

883
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720
still allowing him to have a safe and

884
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,640
appropriate degree of independence.

885
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,280
Our goal is not to separate him from the

886
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,320
family or leave him without our support.

887
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Quite the opposite, we want to create a

888
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
living arrangement that allows him to

889
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880
gain independence while knowing that his

890
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,720
family is nearby

891
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
and available when needed. Having his

892
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,160
home close to mine would allow me to

893
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360
help with daily needs, emergencies, and

894
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,360
other situations

895
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
while giving him the dignity and

896
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,760
independence of having his own space. He

897
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,560
is turning 24 in just 2 months.

898
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320
This is one of the reasons the size of

899
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,040
the property is so important to my

900
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,920
family.

901
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,880
I am trying to create a long-term family

902
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,520
homestead where

903
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920
we can live close together, support one

904
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
another, and remain on the same property

905
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,160
while allowing each member of the family

906
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440
an appropriate level of independence.

907
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,080
The other significant issue is the type

908
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,720
of home we would like to place on the

909
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,080
property.

910
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Um the current R-6 zoning within the

911
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,760
North Wilkesboro ETJ does not allow Um,

912
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,960
a manufactured home. It only allows

913
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,280
modular or stick built homes.

914
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Um,

915
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,600
the home that we

916
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,720
need for financial reasons to place on

917
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,320
there is a manufactured home on a

918
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800
permanent foundation.

919
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Um, we are seeking to place, uh,

920
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,920
I think the the substantially limits

921
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,120
This substantially limits my ability to

922
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,520
use my land in a manner that best fits

923
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360
my family's needs and our financial

924
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,550
circumstances.

925
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,640
Um,

926
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,560
my request is

927
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,040
not simply about wanting fewer

928
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,640
regulations.

929
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Um,

930
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,640
we are request requesting

931
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,160
to be um,

932
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,600
sorry.

933
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,400
My request is therefore

934
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
not about wanting fewer regulations. It

935
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,560
is about having the opportunity to use

936
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,320
our property for reasonable residential

937
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880
purpose that is consistent with its size

938
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,760
and rural character.

939
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400
If the property were returned to the

940
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Wilkes County jurisdiction, I would

941
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240
still be required to comply with the

942
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080
applicable county requirements and

943
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,400
permitting

944
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520
um, processes. We are fully willing to

945
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
do that and we are simply asking that

946
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,960
the land use rules governing my property

947
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,400
be those jurisdiction that is most

948
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,560
appropriate for the parcel and its

949
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,400
intended use.

950
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,280
We respectfully ask the board to

951
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,880
consider whether continued inclusion of

952
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,720
the parcel

953
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,600
is, uh, in the North Wilkes ETJ is

954
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,520
necessary to accomplish the town's

955
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,920
planning objectives, particularly when

956
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,760
property is outside the town's limit,

957
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,600
directly borders other county

958
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,320
jurisdiction properties, and is intended

959
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,070
for private residential and family use.

960
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,200
I am not asking for the town to

961
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,000
disregard planning, safety, or

962
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,040
environmental standards. We are just

963
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,760
asking for the opportunity to have a

964
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,080
property governed by the jurisdiction

965
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,879
that is most appropriate for its size,

966
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:33,200
character, and

967
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,750
intended use.

968
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960
» Most of the Let me Let me ask you a

969
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,080
question

970
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,679
So, the issue here is the type of home

971
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,360
and its models.

972
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,560
The ADU laws with govern just within

973
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,280
>> Yes, right here.

974
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480
>> ADU laws within the

975
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,360
allowed under state law would allow

976
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,800
additional dwelling units, correct?

977
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,480
>> Are you talking about under the current

978
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,200
zoning?

979
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,920
>> No, under the state law the ADU

980
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,120
>> So, if it's if it's the county, I I

981
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,480
wouldn't want to speak on the counties,

982
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,520
but for our side, R-6 does allow an

983
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,960
accessory dwelling unit, correct? It

984
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,720
would be attached, but yes, it does

985
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,320
allow for an accessory dwelling unit.

986
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,320
Um that is something that's being

987
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,120
addressed in in future ordinance change,

988
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,680
but as of right now, yes, we do allow an

989
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,200
accessory dwelling unit on the side. It

990
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
would just need to be attached.

991
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,280
>> The issue was the type of home.

992
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,360
>> And ultimately, you know, all removal of

993
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,400
the ETJs is is not just applicable to

994
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
the type of home. It's any future

995
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,840
development, any future complaints will

996
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,840
all

997
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,360
go to the counties for their

998
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,480
jurisdiction.

999
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,590
>> One other question

1000
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,880
» For me?

1001
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,920
>> Is manufactured homes part of this

1002
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,760
uh

1003
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,120
legal legal banking in the R-1 zone? Is

1004
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,640
that considered in in the balance?

1005
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,840
>> So, as far as you know, manufactured

1006
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,800
homes are are limited to the R-20 zoning

1007
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,480
district.

1008
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Yeah.

1009
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,040
>> Is the UDA

1010
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,920
>> Is that something that's going to be

1011
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,480
changed in the UDA?

1012
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,400
>> That No, no changes will be made in the

1013
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,160
UDA as of right now.

1014
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,310
>> Thank you.

1015
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,160
All right, Mr. Chairman.

1016
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,990
I have a question.

1017
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,160
» I have a question for

1018
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,920
>> Are you speaking about the

1019
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,360
uh

1020
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,920
I'm Juan Ragland.

1021
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,520
>> Yes, I have a question.

1022
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,040
>> Yes, ma'am.

1023
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,760
>> Um would you

1024
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,960
>> Would you mind stepping up here?

1025
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,480
>> I'm certain.

1026
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,600
I have a question for the applicants.

1027
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,320
>> Yes, ma'am.

1028
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,080
>> I just quickly read it today, but there

1029
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,560
was a section

1030
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
that referred to like a farm.

1031
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Could you

1032
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,440
sort of elaborate on that for me?

1033
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,240
>> Uh I just have some chickens and um

1034
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,920
we were looking to possibly get a goat

1035
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,800
or um a horse. We just wanted to be able

1036
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,000
to utilize that area.

1037
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,240
>> And where is the planning on that?

1038
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,200
You, if I'm correct, you're all the way

1039
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,400
down to where the

1040
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,990
uh

1041
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,520
the dance studio used to be.

1042
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,160
>> I'm not sure where that is, but we're

1043
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,360
right on that corner.

1044
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,040
>> Okay, so you're talking about the corner

1045
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,470
of Lincoln Ave.

1046
00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:20,000
>> [cough]

1047
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,240
>> Thank you.

1048
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,360
That's all the questions I have.

1049
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,880
>> But if the dance studio is considerably

1050
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,320
farther down the hill, is it not? Does

1051
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,680
the welding shop there?

1052
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,000
>> Yeah, yeah, it it is. I I'd have to

1053
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600
defer to some neighbors on that one. I'm

1054
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,040
not as familiar with that area.

1055
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,160
>> Yeah, the dance studio's towards the end of the street.

1056
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,280
>> Yes, ma'am.

1057
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,000
>> He's talking about the welding. What did

1058
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,760
you just say?

1059
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,920
>> Ma'am?

1060
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,800
>> He mentioned the welding. What did you

1061
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,800
just say?

1062
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,960
>> Um he was talking about the dance

1063
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,480
studio. Um all of that is down towards

1064
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,240
the end of the road towards Lincoln

1065
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:57,960
Heights, the actual school and the the

1066
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,560
facility down there.

1067
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,240
>> Can you pull that map up and show where

1068
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,840
the building is located?

1069
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,640
>> Yeah, I I can certainly point to there.

1070
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,280
>> But you said it's on Lincoln Ave.

1071
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,240
I think it's required

1072
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,710
that it would have to answer on

1073
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,400
» I can speak, you know, ultimately you it

1074
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,080
is

1075
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,800
that is an NCDOT road, um old US 421.

1076
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,310
So,

1077
00:38:24,316 --> 00:38:24,320
» [clears throat]

1078
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440
>> yeah, and any kind of residential

1079
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,880
permits do not require residential like

1080
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600
a driveway permit.

1081
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,480
But it would be there would be

1082
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,120
communication with NCDOT if there were any you know, we always

1083
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,400
verify with them. What I've been

1084
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,480
explaining is when it comes to

1085
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,600
residential [clears throat] permits,

1086
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,920
it would be there's there's no driveway

1087
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,760
permits for residential construction.

1088
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Typically.

1089
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,760
>> Do you mind showing her where those

1090
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,960
parcels are so she can understand?

1091
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
>> Yeah, so the parcel in question tonight

1092
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
is where my highlighted red circle is

1093
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,720
here. It's on the intersection here

1094
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,120
where you got Old US 421 Road and

1095
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,360
Lincoln Heights. The dance studio and

1096
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,040
the requests are further south to this

1097
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:07,670
parcel likely are not shown on this map.

1098
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,680
» Well, you're talking about you're

1099
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,560
talking about Wilkesboro

1100
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,120
>> It's a welding shop

1101
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,360
>> Oh, you're talking about the welding

1102
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,840
shop. Okay, I wasn't aware that it was a

1103
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,280
dance studio. Yes,

1104
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,840
the welding shop is in actually

1105
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Wilkesboro's jurisdiction. It is zoned

1106
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,320
general business and that's the town of

1107
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,880
Wilkesboro.

1108
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,760
>> But there is a considerable difference

1109
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,400
in that.

1110
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,760
>> No, so to right here there's a parcel

1111
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,520
and my eyes

1112
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,080
bear with me, but that parcel that's

1113
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,040
2201756

1114
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,840
right here my cursor that that's between

1115
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,600
the welding shop and the requested parcel right here.

1116
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,360
And this is an individual parcel here.

1117
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,280
>> Okay.

1118
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Good evening.

1119
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,560
But this mask annoys me. It is not

1120
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,640
because I was thinking any of you are

1121
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,720
infectious. It's because I'm in the

1122
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,840
middle of having implants and the front

1123
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,760
of me is missing. Now, if you can look

1124
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,920
over that, I'd like to take the mask

1125
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,800
off.

1126
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,880
Okay.

1127
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,920
My name is Yvonne Ryder.

1128
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
I live in Wilkesboro

1129
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,760
in [clears throat] Cable. So, you would

1130
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680
be my neighbor.

1131
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,880
I am a little confused when you describe

1132
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,560
it as rural.

1133
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,280
Um

1134
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
in the what Joseph was talking about

1135
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,920
back to me about 4:30 because I have

1136
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,320
five acres on

1137
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Do a road.

1138
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,880
Two houses [clears throat] on them, lots

1139
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,640
of trees, but it's zoned residential.

1140
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,000
So

1141
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520
I just in what I read that there seemed

1142
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,840
to be an emphasis on the fact that it

1143
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,480
was uh

1144
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,418
with rural characteristics.

1145
00:40:48,418 --> 00:40:48,920
>> [clears throat]

1146
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,400
>> And like I I own the property

1147
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
on the next block. Some of that vacant

1148
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,080
land that you're referring to.

1149
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,120
I own on one corner of Peace Street and

1150
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,600
the across the corner which I believe

1151
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,560
would be

1152
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Old 60.

1153
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,320
So I own some of that vacant land he's

1154
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,600
talking about.

1155
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,280
Plus the five acres and two houses on Do

1156
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,760
a Road.

1157
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,640
So I pay my taxes.

1158
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,280
And just so no one wants to get the idea

1159
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,320
that this has a my objection

1160
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,560
has anything to do with race, that's

1161
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,240
simply not the case. I understand that

1162
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,920
there are several Caucasians on Lincoln

1163
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Avenue already.

1164
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Um my lineage

1165
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
includes my great-great-grandfather

1166
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,760
was somebody you all know, the Reverend

1167
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,080
>> Richard Barber.

1168
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,880
>> Okay.

1169
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,360
And on my mother's side

1170
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,560
um

1171
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520
you probably know all of my relatives.

1172
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,609
If you know somebody named Graham

1173
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:53,320
[clears throat]

1174
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Barber, Harris, they're related to me.

1175
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Okay? Because that's the way.

1176
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,040
I don't have any historians in the room.

1177
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,000
And you

1178
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
and I'm probably the oldest one. I'll be

1179
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,440
89 in a couple of days. So therefore I

1180
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,920
want to just

1181
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,760
go back a little bit on history if

1182
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,200
that's okay with you.

1183
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
One of the things about

1184
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,280
uh

1185
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640
being a person of color

1186
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,600
which is how I choose to describe people

1187
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,720
who look like me,

1188
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,640
okay?

1189
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,080
Uh was

1190
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,840
years ago, the way you established

1191
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000
yourself as a person of color

1192
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,760
with the primary Caucasian population

1193
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,920
was land ownership.

1194
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,160
It was important that we own land and it

1195
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,080
would often be vacant land. And so, it

1196
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,904
is no surprise at all that

1197
00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:51,760
>> [clears throat]

1198
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
>> well, Larry, of course

1199
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
he bought it as an investment. Who? You

1200
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,440
bought it from his estate. But before

1201
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,520
that, adjacent to your property is the

1202
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,920
property that was owned by Dr. uh

1203
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,880
Paisley.

1204
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,520
>> Paisley.

1205
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,000
I'm sorry.

1206
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Uh

1207
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,920
the Redding property is across the

1208
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
street and part of what she's talking

1209
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,800
about.

1210
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,840
In the olden days, okay?

1211
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,800
Not only was it important that you own

1212
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,280
land

1213
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920
and cuz that's how you sort of proved

1214
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,280
your importance to the community

1215
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,400
but Haygood

1216
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,840
was a major part of Wilkes County of

1217
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,000
Wilkesboro.

1218
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920
And it is

1219
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,160
the farm part it is the residential

1220
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,280
part that is important to me today.

1221
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,040
Had I known that they were about to sell

1222
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,880
the land, I would have bought it. Not

1223
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
because I need any more land.

1224
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,200
My son said no, but to preserve Haygood.

1225
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Because [clears throat] it's

1226
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,520
the

1227
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,240
it is the center of

1228
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,920
what happened for people of color

1229
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,480
in the 1800s and 1900s, too, to a large

1230
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,560
degree, even now.

1231
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Cairo is the center of the population.

1232
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Even if you live in Fairmount, Cairo is

1233
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,800
still referred to

1234
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,120
as the center of what was important to

1235
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,680
people of color.

1236
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,720
And that is what I am asking you not

1237
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,440
because

1238
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
you are anything other than very nice

1239
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,840
people,

1240
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,320
but because we need to preserve history.

1241
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,560
And Cairo is so important to our

1242
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,040
community.

1243
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,960
And residential is what Cairo was and

1244
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,480
what we want to keep it to be.

1245
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Any questions?

1246
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,960
>> I'm going to have to pause you. Your 5

1247
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,160
minutes are up. I would describe you as

1248
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,600
a beautiful lady.

1249
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,080
>> Thank you.

1250
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,880
>> Not a lady of color. And thank you for

1251
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,520
speaking.

1252
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,920
>> Thank you. Bless you.

1253
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Any other questions?

1254
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,480
>> No.

1255
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,760
>> Thank you.

1256
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,920
On preserving the land,

1257
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,520
how do you mean what what do you mean by

1258
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,600
preserving the land?

1259
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,440
>> You mean when I said what I just said?

1260
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,000
>> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. I'm just trying

1261
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,680
>> For residential, for to build

1262
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,440
at one point,

1263
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,691
I was confused because

1264
00:45:32,691 --> 00:45:33,280
>> [clears throat]

1265
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,800
>> I I said this is a plan

1266
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,880
for that.

1267
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,320
They zoned Lincoln Heights multi-family,

1268
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,200
but yet when you go to rural, which is

1269
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,160
just vast land,

1270
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,840
um it's one thing.

1271
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,960
So, you know, I'm kind of confused on

1272
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,920
what the planning board has

1273
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080
planned. The rural zone

1274
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,480
Well, there there isn't any rural.

1275
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:59,920
>> No.

1276
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,760
>> There there was and there still isn't

1277
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,400
any road. It's just vacant land with

1278
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,750
blocks of people.

1279
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,760
Any questions from the community?

1280
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Thank you very much.

1281
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,280
I have a question.

1282
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,280
>> Yes, ma'am.

1283
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,320
>> Uh I would like to know how far up

1284
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:19,960
um

1285
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,920
my

1286
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,120
sister owns land

1287
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,280
up near where the uh

1288
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,880
gray spot is.

1289
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,200
And I want to know how far up that you want to sell.

1290
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,880
>> Can you show us where the gray spot is

1291
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,280
on that map?

1292
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Can you come to the come to the large

1293
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,200
map and show us?

1294
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,200
>> The land is on

1295
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,800
>> It's on Grayson Street.

1296
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,280
>> Okay, so it's on Grayson Street.

1297
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,760
>> No, it's on Grayson

1298
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,560
>> Grayson You can see the Grayson Street

1299
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,480
here. If you see the kind of

1300
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,560
bottom third of the page, there with me.

1301
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,320
Let me see if I can zoom up here.

1302
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,960
>> I know it's above where my sister Ruby

1303
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,720
Houston owns the land, and the grave

1304
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,760
site is above

1305
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:05,960
where her land is.

1306
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,640
>> So, it's it's my understanding from

1307
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,800
recent conversations that the the the area in question is is more in

1308
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,560
this southern area where my house is.

1309
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
>> Near where Ruby Ingram crossed the

1310
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,280
street from where Ruby Ingram used to

1311
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,160
live.

1312
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,830
>> Yes. Yes.

1313
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,040
» All right.

1314
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,880
But we we haven't

1315
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680
identified specific where it is, so I'm

1316
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,030
not sure.

1317
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,840
» To answer your question, sir,

1318
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,680
I am hoping basically that

1319
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,560
it will remain residential.

1320
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,760
And that if it is true that there was a

1321
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,720
plan

1322
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,880
to develop it further residential, that

1323
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,000
it it wouldn't occur so.

1324
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,680
When I made the statement about I would

1325
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,560
have bought it to preserve it,

1326
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,960
I would have

1327
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,880
seen

1328
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,520
uh what the planning department was

1329
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,880
planning, and then I would have moved in

1330
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,240
the direction of developing K bar.

1331
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,000
I mean it's it's

1332
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
There's people who want development again both kind of

1333
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,120
all over the place, and they seem to be

1334
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
particularly interested in K bar for

1335
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,400
whatever reasons.

1336
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,720
>> May

1337
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,480
What was it?

1338
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,880
>> No, no. I I don't know.

1339
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,280
>> All right, that makes sense.

1340
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,280
>> Yeah, I have two.

1341
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:27,800
>> Yes, ma'am.

1342
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,280
>> Well, that's fair.

1343
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,280
>> Yeah, you did.

1344
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,080
>> Thank you so much.

1345
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,320
>> Thank you.

1346
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,400
>> So, I would just like to ask a question.

1347
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,070
Um

1348
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,480
They had zoned

1349
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,988
the area on Lincoln Heights

1350
00:48:41,988 --> 00:48:43,600
[clears throat] Street as a

1351
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,560
residential.

1352
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,160
>> Mhm.

1353
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,800
>> They said no

1354
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,600
trailers,

1355
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,760
no um

1356
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,320
you know, I can't even think.

1357
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,800
No trailers, no um animals of no kind.

1358
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000
You couldn't do that. My grandparents

1359
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,760
raised everything, pigs,

1360
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,440
cows, chickens, and all. And then they

1361
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,280
come along and said, "No.

1362
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,840
Uh you have to give up everything."

1363
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,920
So, if you're going to do

1364
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,480
that, then everybody's included in uh

1365
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,520
raising pigs and cows.

1366
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,960
>> Just you have an answer for that?

1367
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:25,680
>> Yes.

1368
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,640
>> Yeah, I do. So, I can I can explain. So,

1369
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,000
in town limits, there are limits to the

1370
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,280
amount of farm animals that can be that

1371
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,680
can be, you know, had on one parcel at a

1372
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,040
given time.

1373
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,280
Um and if you want to get into the

1374
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,360
nuances of what that quantity is, cuz I

1375
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,000
don't have the code ordinances right in

1376
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
front of you, but that's a town code

1377
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,200
um

1378
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,440
something the town code addresses. In

1379
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,760
the extraterritorial jurisdiction,

1380
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,800
unless you're operating a farm,

1381
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,560
and I I mean that by saying you know,

1382
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,960
unless you're operating a commercial

1383
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,600
farm,

1384
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,400
the you know, how many chickens you have

1385
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200
and how many pigs and horses, you know,

1386
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,640
it's obviously something that the zoning

1387
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,480
administrator is going to look at, but

1388
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,240
there's not like a you're limited to six

1389
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,000
chickens. You decide to have a flock of,

1390
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,160
you know, 30 and 30 chickens, you're

1391
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,200
limited on the amount of land. Accessory

1392
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,080
structures you might be able to have,

1393
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,560
you might you're limited on the

1394
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,160
on where those accessory structures are

1395
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520
located, being on the side or the rear

1396
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,320
of the the home chosen.

1397
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Um you're also limited on there having

1398
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,160
to be in a residential district a

1399
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,560
residential use. So, you couldn't just

1400
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,600
have a blank piece of land with

1401
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,160
you know,

1402
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,560
cattle. You know, there would have to be

1403
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,680
some kind of association with, you know,

1404
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,000
it's clearly a home and the animals on

1405
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,280
that parcel are clearly tied to the

1406
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,160
home.

1407
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,040
But, when it comes to outside of the

1408
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,800
town limits, there are not limits on the

1409
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
amount of animals you can have. It's

1410
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,520
just a matter of what the function of

1411
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,990
the operation is.

1412
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,840
» Can I say one other thing that I forgot?

1413
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,040
I grew up on a farm in Illinois, so I

1414
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,365
know all about farms.

1415
00:51:09,365 --> 00:51:09,440
>> [clears throat]

1416
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,680
>> I know that sometimes when we think

1417
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,400
we're going to start small, and then we

1418
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,600
there and then we expand and we take on

1419
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,200
more animals.

1420
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,840
And um

1421
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,840
you know,

1422
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,240
chickens, fine. But, we grew up in Cairo

1423
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,680
with the smell of the sewage and man,

1424
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,400
whatever it was,

1425
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,040
all the way over on Dula Road, man, it

1426
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,880
stunk to high heaven.

1427
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,600
Um and I know having grown up on a farm

1428
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,070
that there are odors associated with

1429
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:44,360
» [snorts]

1430
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080
>> Um did Mr. Murphy leave?

1431
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,975
>> Just stepped out to the restroom.

1432
00:51:49,975 --> 00:51:52,590
>> [snorts]

1433
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,560
» I'm on record.

1434
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:06,030
>> [clears throat]

1435
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,600
» Anybody else want to say anything?

1436
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,760
It's your opportunity.

1437
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,710
>> I will.

1438
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,360
» Yes, sir.

1439
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,080
Yes.

1440
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,600
>> Um you want me to come up to the front

1441
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,040
or just

1442
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,280
>> Just come up. Come up.

1443
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,280
And state your name.

1444
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,030
>> All right.

1445
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,200
Everybody uh my my name is Matt Bowles.

1446
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,840
Um I am born and raised in North

1447
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,320
Wilkesboro and

1448
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,680
um actually with my brother and uh

1449
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,760
fellow

1450
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,920
applicants at Lincoln Heights, we are

1451
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,760
running the old school and trying to use

1452
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,800
it as a community center.

1453
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,520
Um

1454
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,840
with the current efforts, I I understand

1455
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,200
where they're coming from. I actually

1456
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,400
had

1457
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,200
um a little small farm and I completely

1458
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,480
understand where they're coming from. Um

1459
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,840
but I in opposition of that, I look at

1460
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,160
that as if

1461
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,720
something like that is granted and I

1462
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,160
know that there's other options

1463
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,920
available. If something like this is

1464
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,440
granted, what's it going to stop from

1465
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,320
future people being able to move modular

1466
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,440
homes because the next thing you know,

1467
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,560
somebody's going to come in and say,

1468
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,320
"Hey, they were able to do it, so can I

1469
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,800
put that there?" And it's no disrespect

1470
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,240
to you guys.

1471
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,320
Um but we we're fighting right now to

1472
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,280
try to revitalize the Lincoln Heights

1473
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,640
area. Um we're wanting to use it for a

1474
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,320
community-based

1475
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,480
uh facility to where young people and

1476
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,840
old people can come there and see

1477
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,360
heritage and see growth, see not just

1478
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,760
color, but see the community come

1479
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,360
together, West County at large. And so,

1480
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,120
um

1481
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,280
I

1482
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,480
I'm I'm I'm going 50/50 with this

1483
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,000
because I I do I am sympathetic with the

1484
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,480
farm um West County people who were born

1485
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,440
and raised here on farms. So, I am

1486
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,560
sympathetic, but this parcel of land is

1487
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,720
right on the corner as you come into the

1488
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,600
uh Lincoln Heights facility. So, my

1489
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,840
brother's running the basketball

1490
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,440
facility, and we're talking about trying

1491
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,040
to revamp um that in order to revive our

1492
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,080
lots in the neighborhood. And a lot of

1493
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,320
people in the neighborhood are starting

1494
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,760
to to

1495
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,480
uh bring up their homes. You have some

1496
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,640
of the older uh people here who have

1497
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,320
been there forever, and they they have

1498
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,920
smelled

1499
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,760
the sewer that's been there, and ever

1500
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,960
since I've been there I've smelled that.

1501
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,120
So, adding to that is definitely not

1502
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,680
going to uh be any any good. So,

1503
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,800
what I'm looking at is like

1504
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,720
if we have um my brother has people from

1505
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,000
Mooresville, from Winston-Salem, from

1506
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,120
everywhere coming into the Lincoln

1507
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,160
Heights facility, these people they come

1508
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,120
for for basketball, they come for the

1509
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,600
dance studio, they come for their kids

1510
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,600
to be watched there. And so, if the

1511
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,240
first thing that they see uh is a a

1512
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:53,960
farm, and I

1513
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,440
knowing how farm is, you can try to keep

1514
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,040
as much as you can looking good, but

1515
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,120
horses, goats,

1516
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,040
I've I've had them, they eat everything.

1517
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,440
It turns into mud, and it just after a

1518
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,440
while it's just it's that's all you're

1519
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,480
going to see. Um no matter how much you

1520
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,040
try to move them around, that's what

1521
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,640
it's going to be. So, um

1522
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,240
as I keep saying, I'm sympathetic to

1523
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,040
them. It's just it's being right there

1524
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,200
on the corner of Lincoln Heights Road,

1525
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,640
it's going to kind of put a staple on

1526
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,880
this is what this is what the community

1527
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,040
is, this is what the um the the Cairo

1528
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,360
area is about. And so, I just look at it

1529
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,160
like if this right here is allowed, then

1530
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,560
what's the next thing that's going to be

1531
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,080
allowed on the next parcel of land

1532
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,160
that's still there or going in behind

1533
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,840
it? The people are going to start

1534
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,560
saying, "Well, how did they How are they

1535
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,480
able to do it and we're not able to?"

1536
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,080
So,

1537
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,040
I I want to make sure that that that

1538
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,160
whole entire area just stays residential

1539
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,400
so that way people there know that

1540
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,040
there's heritage there that there the

1541
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,800
people have been fighting for the

1542
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,680
Lincoln Heights area, the Cairo area to

1543
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,520
be as it has been from the beginning.

1544
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,800
And and there's there's other places,

1545
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,400
there's other areas in Wilkes County

1546
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,960
that can be utilized for for farming.

1547
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,560
But, right here on the corner of Lincoln

1548
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,320
Heights Road, it's just going to set a

1549
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,200
stable and a precedent of of this is

1550
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,800
what the the community behind it is. And

1551
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,880
so, as we're trying to build and get the

1552
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,520
community more involved into it, it's

1553
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,880
going to be tougher to allow

1554
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,160
a stop from anybody else from being able

1555
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,080
to come in and say, "Well, I'm I'm going

1556
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,680
to buy another little piece of parcel

1557
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,960
cuz these people did and they were able

1558
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,920
to do this. And so, if they're able to

1559
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,120
allow this to happen, what stops not

1560
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,240
just a farm, but what stops the next the

1561
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,200
next plan of action from coming in there

1562
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,480
and being able to say, 'Well, this is

1563
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,240
what we're going to do because they were

1564
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,040
able to get that.'" And

1565
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,720
I I apologize to to the family here and

1566
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,640
I'm I'm sympathetic to them as as well,

1567
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,840
but I also want to look out for the

1568
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,640
community and Lincoln Heights community

1569
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,520
deserves to kind of stay stay how it's

1570
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,960
been. So,

1571
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,240
I appreciate you guys' time. Thank you.

1572
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,120
>> Well,

1573
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,480
Mr. Parham,

1574
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,440
I'd like to announce that by 4-1 vote,

1575
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,360
the Wilkes County Commissioners

1576
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,040
passed the $4 million

1577
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,200
improvement

1578
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,520
project

1579
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,720
in partnership with North

1580
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,640
Broadway Water Association. So,

1581
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,400
a lot of people involved in that, so

1582
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,440
thank you very much.

1583
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,790
Mr. Parham.

1584
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,120
» Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1585
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,080
Y'all all know me, but for the record,

1586
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,240
my name is Jim Burkey.

1587
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,120
And I am I'm not here representing

1588
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Richard and his wife,

1589
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,960
but when the planning board had a

1590
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,240
meeting and denied their request

1591
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,200
to put their house on their property, I

1592
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,120
was extremely disappointed.

1593
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,080
I voted for them to do it.

1594
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,040
And in my humble opinion,

1595
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,880
it's American.

1596
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,960
You're not going to allow a man

1597
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,720
to live in his home on his own property.

1598
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,440
I mean, I understand

1599
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,600
zoning,

1600
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,000
and I don't want to put it that way,

1601
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:15,720
but

1602
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,640
this couple

1603
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,320
I've heard the opinions of what they

1604
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,800
think is going to happen, and that's an

1605
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,800
opinion. That's not a fact. That's an

1606
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,760
opinion.

1607
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,240
That it it

1608
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,120
will not turn into what they're talking

1609
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,520
about.

1610
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,920
We have a commentary. They have a son

1611
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,320
with autism.

1612
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,640
They have a son who is well known in the

1613
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,520
community. He has a wheelchair, has

1614
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,720
several problems. I'd do anything I I

1615
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,920
can to make my son's life better.

1616
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,440
And

1617
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,360
what they're talking about is exactly

1618
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,120
what they're trying to do.

1619
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,200
They want a place for their son

1620
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,360
to grow, to be as normal as humanly

1621
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,360
possible, just like just like everybody

1622
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,680
else.

1623
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Also, you need you got to think about

1624
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,200
the the tax revenue.

1625
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,440
They're putting a nice house on this

1626
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,920
property.

1627
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,520
values are going to go up.

1628
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Let's say it won't do

1629
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,200
that. So, what tax values go up?

1630
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,080
I mean, more folks will get more taxes from their property.

1631
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,320
>> I don't know if we remember from the

1632
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,160
APJ.

1633
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,360
>> Mhm.

1634
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,200
>> I mean, we don't get tax revenue from

1635
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,320
the APJ anyway.

1636
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,640
>> That's because it's in the county,

1637
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:21,960
right?

1638
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,640
>> It's the county.

1639
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,080
>> The county would get more tax.

1640
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,360
Property values would go up, so the

1641
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:32,430
county would get more tax.

1642
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,480
But I don't understand

1643
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,280
why a man cannot put a house on his own

1644
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,520
property.

1645
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,800
I want to be down the road down the

1646
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,360
street down there, you know, I don't

1647
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,800
mean to offend anybody at all. Not

1648
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,120
whatsoever.

1649
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,440
But the house they going to build on the

1650
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,280
property, they're going to build a nice

1651
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,600
little house on the property.

1652
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,320
It's brand new.

1653
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,800
And they have a foundation to it.

1654
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,280
It's not going to be a somebody mobile

1655
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,160
home.

1656
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,440
Second generation house they're going to

1657
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,240
build.

1658
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,550
It's a beautiful home.

1659
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,550
So I'm pleading with you

1660
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,080
to adopt a resolution to

1661
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,680
allow him to put the house on the

1662
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,720
property.

1663
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,440
I have one other thing I wanted to talk

1664
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,840
about.

1665
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,000
I live in the ETJ.

1666
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,960
Maybe they did it to stop the rumble

1667
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,240
there. I am asking the board to adopt

1668
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,480
ordinances

1669
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,560
not to allow engine brakes

1670
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,480
within the city limits including the

1671
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,000
ETJ.

1672
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,560
Those trucks come by my house.

1673
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,640
It sounds like dynamite going off

1674
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,760
when they got those engine brakes on.

1675
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,040
And they going to have to have a public

1676
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:52,310
hearing to

1677
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,390
Okay.

1678
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,480
I know what we're taking all the time on

1679
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:57,960
this issue.

1680
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,830
>> All right, I understand

1681
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,720
But that's that's that's it. That's what

1682
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,400
I wanted to say. I was just

1683
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,640
um

1684
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,040
Just you know,

1685
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,760
put your heart in the right place.

1686
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,640
I think that these people

1687
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:11,640
They're going to They want to do the

1688
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,000
right thing.

1689
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,440
They really really do. They want to do

1690
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,320
the right thing.

1691
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,920
I don't know what they uh

1692
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,200
Those are the

1693
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,680
If they decided to sell that property,

1694
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,680
could a

1695
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,280
business come in

1696
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,320
and build business there?

1697
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,520
>> Um are you talking in its current state?

1698
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,400
So, the current ordinance R6

1699
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,240
high-density residential, you know, as

1700
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,960
it's as it's name, it's primarily geared

1701
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,000
towards residential uses. There are a

1702
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,120
few commercial uses allowed in the

1703
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,480
current R6 density residential.

1704
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,640
>> If they were to sell to a developer,

1705
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,320
and they want to build

1706
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,360
condos.

1707
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,960
>> So, you know, obviously you're looking

1708
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,440
at one home per parcel

1709
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,360
with an ability to do an accessory

1710
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,480
dwelling unit.

1711
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,000
But, any any more than the density of a

1712
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,800
single-family home would likely require

1713
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,640
some kind of subdivision.

1714
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,320
Um there is

1715
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:07,840
>> there any road?

1716
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,320
>> There is street frontage there, and

1717
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,120
ultimately when you say condominiums, I

1718
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,880
mean, I I would say at its present

1719
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,280
state, um

1720
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,400
the, you know, I I have to see plans

1721
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,120
before that. You know, it's right single

1722
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,120
high-density residential. The reason why

1723
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,360
the name is high density is typically

1724
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,720
those are 6,000 sq ft lots.

1725
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,720
If you can get 6,000 sq ft lots, you

1726
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,960
could have a substantial amount of

1727
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,480
single-family homes. Obviously, you've

1728
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,880
got some topographical challenges here

1729
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,480
because it's not, you know, there is no

1730
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,920
connection to sewer currently. Even if

1731
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,640
the sewer's available, you've got, you

1732
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,480
know, you've got septic field

1733
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,000
requirements.

1734
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,680
Um but, yes, the truth is its current um

1735
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,640
its current

1736
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,720
location does have the ability to

1737
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,680
connect to town sewer. And yes, the R6

1738
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,360
district would allow for 6,000 sq ft

1739
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,720
lots if you can get the street frontage.

1740
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,320
>> Could there be something they sold the

1741
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,400
land

1742
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,600
there could be something coming in

1743
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,320
that would be maybe even more acceptable

1744
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,320
to the landowner.

1745
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,120
>> Ultimately, if it's permitted in that R6

1746
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,800
district, yeah. I would just say the R6

1747
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,000
district in general is more conducive to

1748
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,520
single-family residential homes. So,

1749
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,480
yeah. More residential than that.

1750
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,720
>> Glad you don't.

1751
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,360
>> I appreciate it.

1752
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,360
Thank you.

1753
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,880
I'm I'm not I'm not trying

1754
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,600
to be

1755
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,360
nitpicky here,

1756
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,040
but in to Mr. Perkins' statement,

1757
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,960
saying we're not trying to tell these

1758
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,600
people they can't put a home on this

1759
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,480
piece of property.

1760
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,080
The question is is

1761
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,360
whether it's

1762
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,080
a manufactured home, which is not

1763
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,280
allowed in R-6,

1764
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,000
and or some other type of either modular

1765
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200
or stick-built home. Now, I know that

1766
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,640
there's cost, and I and I understand

1767
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,600
that,

1768
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,480
but I don't want anyone in this room to

1769
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,840
feel like this board

1770
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,600
is denying this couple the ability to

1771
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,000
put a home

1772
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,400
on this piece of property, because we're

1773
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,720
not. It's It's It's the type of home,

1774
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,560
and that really is

1775
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,560
kind of what it boils down to. I would

1776
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,680
love

1777
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,240
to see this couple purchase that piece

1778
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,680
of property,

1779
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,360
and you know, do it with a house that is

1780
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,920
allowed in this particular zoning, and

1781
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,480
become part of this community, because I

1782
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,080
know a lot of people in this Kero

1783
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,240
community. I've worked with a lot of

1784
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,560
people over at the Lincoln Heights

1785
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,000
um school and the program and all of

1786
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,560
that and the history that's involved

1787
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,880
with it. It's a great community.

1788
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,440
>> I agree.

1789
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,720
>> them to add an addition to their

1790
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,080
community, regardless of who it is,

1791
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,440
you know, but

1792
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,600
zoning, unfortunately,

1793
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,440
is kind of a It's kind of an issue that

1794
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,880
you know, it it's we're kind of

1795
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,800
defined by boundaries.

1796
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,880
And so, I personally

1797
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,280
am the one that believes in the ETJ as

1798
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,760
far as respect to us being able to

1799
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,680
uh oversee,

1800
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,080
you know, how areas that are directly

1801
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,080
connected around our

1802
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,000
immediate town boundaries, you know, are

1803
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,440
developed and what is [clears throat]

1804
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,040
the best use for that. Now, I know

1805
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,680
people disagree with it and that's

1806
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,600
unfortunate, but it is just a fact of

1807
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,920
life. Life is about disagreement at

1808
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,960
times.

1809
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,960
But, the thing is is you you make a

1810
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,520
statement about Again, I'm not picking

1811
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,480
on you, Jim. I'm just I'm just making

1812
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,520
some statements, okay?

1813
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,200
Um

1814
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,280
if you change this property and remove

1815
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,720
it from the ETJ, okay, and then it

1816
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,760
becomes part of the county's So,

1817
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,880
the county's

1818
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,640
overseeing of property is much, much

1819
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,120
different than the town's. So,

1820
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,400
therefore, let's say something with this

1821
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,800
couple they changed Valley Road and we

1822
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,760
removed it from the ETJ. Then, someone

1823
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,840
could come in on that property and

1824
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,080
whatever the county allows on that type

1825
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,120
of property would be allowed and and the

1826
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,920
residents would have no say, the town

1827
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,000
would have no say. So, therefore, you

1828
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,600
know, the protection for the community

1829
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,400
um would be diminished. And so,

1830
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,680
again,

1831
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,120
I would love to see this couple move

1832
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,680
into that community.

1833
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,440
Um but, you know, we have to follow, you

1834
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,240
know, to me I want to protect the ETJ

1835
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,000
and not just in the Cairo area, but in

1836
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,600
all of our ETJs that we have around the

1837
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,160
entire town.

1838
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,280
And so, you know, it's it's

1839
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,920
I I just needed to make that statement

1840
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,640
cuz I like I said, I don't want it to

1841
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,000
seem like we are cold-hearted and and

1842
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,600
not trying to help them, but it's, you

1843
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,360
know, unfortunately,

1844
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,880
in this circumstance,

1845
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:06,510
this is where we are.

1846
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:07,640
» For For

1847
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,160
Joseph, I just want to make sure I'm

1848
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,400
understanding this.

1849
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,480
>> Perfect. And I want to clarify some

1850
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,640
statements that have been made about a

1851
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,520
quote farm.

1852
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,480
So, I live here inside of this city

1853
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,360
limit. Yeah. Right on Garden Street.

1854
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,400
I can have chicken.

1855
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,160
I can have goat.

1856
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,440
I can have

1857
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,000
one.

1858
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:27,946
>> Yeah.

1859
01:07:27,946 --> 01:07:29,000
>> [laughter]

1860
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,360
>> one.

1861
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:30,000
>> Yep.

1862
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,280
>> Up to a certain size. So, I can, by all

1863
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,840
measures of the law our policy,

1864
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,640
have a farm within the city limits.

1865
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,080
Whether they do this on that property or

1866
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,880
not, you guys can. If If you live there,

1867
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,280
you can have chicken, you can have a

1868
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,920
pig, you can have a goat. You guys can

1869
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,880
do that

1870
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,880
should you wish.

1871
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,240
The clarification and the difference

1872
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,360
here,

1873
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,880
specifically, is the manufactured home,

1874
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,360
a mobile home. It In In my understanding

1875
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,240
of this

1876
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:01,840
entirely.

1877
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,040
>> So, to provide like a big picture, like

1878
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,400
you're asking, so yes, in town limits

1879
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:07,960
there's restrictions on the amount of

1880
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,400
farm animals.

1881
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,280
>> I cannot have a commercial farm. I can't

1882
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,080
cuz this is for myself only.

1883
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,200
>> Yeah, and that would be the same here is

1884
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,080
that you can't have a commercial farm in

1885
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,040
that, you know, but you there isn't like

1886
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,680
a limit on the amount of

1887
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,680
goats and chickens. There you could I

1888
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,759
mean, someone have 20 chickens. Again,

1889
01:08:24,759 --> 01:08:26,080
some people have larger families, they

1890
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,720
might want to have You You are limited

1891
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:28,920
in the town code to the amount of

1892
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,560
animals you can have. In the ETJ,

1893
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,240
because it's not part of the town code

1894
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,040
and zoning applies, the only thing that

1895
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,440
would apply to that is the use of the

1896
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:38,720
property. If someone is operating a

1897
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,319
agricultural business,

1898
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:42,759
again, it's it's a case-by-case

1899
01:08:42,759 --> 01:08:45,160
situation, but if someone is operating

1900
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,680
actual farm and they're there is a

1901
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,880
business and they have, you know,

1902
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,279
increased traffic and all these things.

1903
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:50,640
I'm not talking about one person showing

1904
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,920
up and then buying dozens of it. Cuz I'm

1905
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,920
talking about, you know, an actual

1906
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,120
operation. Then yes, that would be

1907
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,480
restricted because again, it's in our

1908
01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:59,640
state's high-density residential. But

1909
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,279
what starts getting restricted in the

1910
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,160
ETJ, you've got fence standards. You've

1911
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,839
got fence height standards. You've got

1912
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:07,960
fence type standards. You've got It's

1913
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,799
where accessory dwelling units can be

1914
01:09:09,799 --> 01:09:11,120
located. You've got where accessory

1915
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,520
structures can be located. You've got

1916
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,160
separation between accessory structures.

1917
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,560
You have the amount of accessory

1918
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,759
structures. All these things fall under

1919
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,880
the zoning ordinance.

1920
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,160
Removal of this parcel says

1921
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,640
ultimately, you know, going back to what

1922
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,000
the mission of a parcel does prevent the

1923
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,880
town from having any say on what this

1924
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,120
property does. Currently, the say that

1925
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,720
the town has is zoning and that is

1926
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,759
basically restricted to use and

1927
01:09:34,759 --> 01:09:37,120
restricted to, you know, uses allowed in

1928
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,120
R6. If they're permitted by right or

1929
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,120
they're permitted with supplemental

1930
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,839
standards and those uses meet them, it

1931
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,759
doesn't matter what it is. Removal of

1932
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,560
this means that, you know, ultimately,

1933
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,960
no one comes to me and gets a permit

1934
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,359
anymore. Um now, going back to the farm

1935
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,120
animals, I do want to reiterate that

1936
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:51,920
booth.

1937
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,000
I'll let you do that.

1938
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,839
Sorry.

1939
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:55,560
Um I do want to reiterate that yes, farm

1940
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,920
animals are allowed in the ETJ as they

1941
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,040
are allowed in town limits. The

1942
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,440
difference is town limits restricts the

1943
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:02,920
amount of farm animals. And if you guys

1944
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,280
actually look to the screen right there,

1945
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,840
you can see this section right here.

1946
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,280
This is actually a satellite image

1947
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,160
property. So, as

1948
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,480
whatever reason down the road when this

1949
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,800
property uh

1950
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,280
in the past when this property was

1951
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,360
annexed in, they're now held to those

1952
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,440
town town code standards. So, the amount

1953
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,680
of farm animals. Um

1954
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,200
any connection to sewer would require

1955
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,440
annexation. Again, that would bring you

1956
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:28,240
to the town code.

1957
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,760
Currently, on the town code, I can

1958
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,200
enforce the height of the grass and I

1959
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,480
can tell people they need to mow their

1960
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,160
grass if it's over height. In the ETJ,

1961
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,600
that's not something. Those are police

1962
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:41,440
powers. So, it kind of gives the public a general

1963
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,440
idea of the difference between the

1964
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,080
zoning and the town. The

1965
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,120
town is In the town, you have police

1966
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,320
powers. You have noise ordinances. You

1967
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,720
have, you know, you have

1968
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,360
those things that apply. And in the ETJ,

1969
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,680
you don't have police powers. So, it's

1970
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,640
all with the county, but you do have

1971
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,040
that zoning

1972
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,360
restrictions. Does that answer your

1973
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,360
question?

1974
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. So,

1975
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,440
to to agree, and it's still the

1976
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:06,480
differentiating factor here is the

1977
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,000
mobile home. Because in our ETJ, that is

1978
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,200
what is not allowed. Everything else is

1979
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,280
allowed within standards.

1980
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,680
The mobile home is the the one

1981
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,320
differentiating factor, and that's what

1982
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,680
you're requesting guys to have in our

1983
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,720
town, correct?

1984
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,840
>> The the the alternate option would be

1985
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,400
manufactured housing is allowed in our

1986
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,360
jurisdiction in our in the R-20 zoning

1987
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,560
district.

1988
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,400
Um this property does not sit adjacent

1989
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,520
to or abutting our R-20 district. So, we

1990
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,000
do allow manufactured homes, it's just

1991
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,120
the zoning doesn't allow for

1992
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,640
manufactured housing.

1993
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:36,320
Yeah.

1994
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,920
>> So, in order to do R-20, it would be

1995
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,080
considered a spot zone.

1996
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,560
>> You'd have to rezone it, yeah, correct.

1997
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:41,800
And then you'd have to defend that spot

1998
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,040
zoning request.

1999
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,200
>> And it would be hard.

2000
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:44,560
>> Yes.

2001
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,360
>> I know it.

2002
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,160
>> Multi-thousands of fees.

2003
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,080
>> Yeah, I you know, I try my best when

2004
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,840
putting together these maps to give, you

2005
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,200
know, a kind of a bird's-eye view of the

2006
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,200
surrounding zoning. There's only so much

2007
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,680
you can fit on a map before I'm going to

2008
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,160
give you guys all

2009
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,760
like that. I really do try to be, you

2010
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,320
know, specific about this entity and

2011
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,800
above and adjacent. I can't zone

2012
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,040
Unfortunately, cannot zoom out so far to

2013
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,880
where you see all of the zoning

2014
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,720
districts in our in our district

2015
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,080
without, you know, confusing the public.

2016
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,680
I'm trying to be realistic with what

2017
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,480
they can see on these maps.

2018
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:17,880
>> And currently in our ETJ, that's mobile

2019
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:18,770
homes are not allowed.

2020
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:18,960
>> [clears throat]

2021
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,440
>> And I know this has come to our our

2022
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:22,480
table. Currently in the ETJ, mobile

2023
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,720
homes are not allowed at all.

2024
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:24,360
>> Are they not?

2025
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:25,040
>> They are.

2026
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,920
>> Yeah, in the zoning district, R-20.

2027
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,360
>> In our ETJ as well.

2028
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,000
>> Right. There's no R-20 inside our

2029
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,280
corporate boundaries, but there is R-20

2030
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,720
in our ETJ.

2031
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,720
>> Okay.

2032
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:35,680
So, this

2033
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:35,960
>> Yeah.

2034
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,120
>> This zoning is R-20.

2035
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,120
>> It's not allowed.

2036
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,080
>> I don't know. It's going to be very

2037
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,000
difficult.

2038
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,040
>> It's a spot zone.

2039
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,800
>> I I do want to pipe in and say, you

2040
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,640
know, nothing stops R-20 from being

2041
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,600
sought again in town. And it's it's

2042
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,680
simply

2043
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,480
from this zoning. You got to put a

2044
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,720
policy in put it on.

2045
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,920
>> And I think we've been pretty consistent

2046
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,640
in not allowing it, and I think we have

2047
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,360
to

2048
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,880
I don't know why, but we need to be

2049
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,880
consistent in that.

2050
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,440
I would just say, echoing

2051
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,720
Commissioner Parsons a little bit, and

2052
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,040
Matt, I'm sorry I can't remember your

2053
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:09,600
last name.

2054
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,360
>> Golds.

2055
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,960
>> What you said about

2056
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,640
I worry about

2057
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,320
the precedent set

2058
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,680
by letting somebody just leave the ETJ.

2059
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,000
I do you think it could open I mean, how

2060
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,560
would we say no to

2061
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,840
anyone who came and wanted to do it?

2062
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,750
And I think we'd have a hard time.

2063
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,760
» How about this?

2064
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,920
That's the problem because they did away

2065
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,640
with the ETJ, so

2066
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,920
Did you have something, Ms. Cole?

2067
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,760
>> I think that lady's got her hand up.

2068
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:41,920
>> Yes, ma'am.

2069
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,920
>> We start with chickens and horses and

2070
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,240
goats. Suppose it expands to pigs and

2071
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,680
others.

2072
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,360
Is there any restriction on that?

2073
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,160
>> No, ma'am.

2074
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:53,800
>> So, you know, you know

2075
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,120
>> There are no additional restrictions,

2076
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:55,920
but it is allowed.

2077
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,840
>> And and and I would go as far as saying,

2078
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,280
you know, I without getting into the

2079
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,680
weeds on this, bonafide farms in the ETJ

2080
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,960
is a statutory 160D allowance. If you

2081
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,800
establish yourself as a bonafide farm in

2082
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,440
the ETJ, zoning does not have any

2083
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:09,880
regulations.

2084
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:10,920
Um that is something that was

2085
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,600
established in 160D. So, again, farming

2086
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,520
is allowed in the ETJ

2087
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,080
to meet the bonafide farm requirement,

2088
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,800
there are a few, you know, required

2089
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,360
There are a few allowances that is

2090
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,920
specific to the ETJ. Bonafide farms

2091
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,120
means building and zoning regulations do

2092
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,120
not apply. Um I'm not suggesting that

2093
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,560
there is a request of bonafide farms,

2094
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,120
but I do want to reiterate that in the

2095
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,240
ETJ, if you establish yourself as a

2096
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,400
bonafide farm, zoning does not apply.

2097
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,120
>> This one.

2098
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,720
>> Um I'd like to clarify something.

2099
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,360
Currently, at the current zoning,

2100
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,800
I'm allowed to have chickens and goats

2101
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,360
and pigs and horses on the property as

2102
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,880
it is right now.

2103
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,200
So,

2104
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,400
taking it out of the ETJ would not

2105
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,240
change that.

2106
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,440
So, if if we we already bought the

2107
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:01,640
property.

2108
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,120
If we had a different home placed on it,

2109
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,280
you could still have the farm we're

2110
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,800
talking about.

2111
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,360
The only difference is is that I can get

2112
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,520
a manufactured home as opposed to a

2113
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,040
modular home.

2114
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,000
And the only difference with that is the

2115
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,480
pitch of the roof.

2116
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,350
That's the only difference.

2117
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:23,840
» And the property

2118
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,760
>> I mean, there's there's different

2119
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,600
standards on building, but they are

2120
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,600
built

2121
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,880
almost exactly the same aside from the

2122
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,680
pitch of the roof.

2123
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,600
They are on a permanent foundation. They

2124
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,400
are a home.

2125
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,160
And it doesn't change anything about the

2126
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,080
farm that we're going to have.

2127
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,400
Whether they allow it or not.

2128
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:47,840
>> So, that's just something to think

2129
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:48,960
about.

2130
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,040
>> Yes,

2131
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,120
as I learned about this situation and

2132
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:53,520
thought about it,

2133
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,760
something

2134
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,840
that was a concern for me is

2135
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,440
often have people ask me like, "Why

2136
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:00,680
would you want to live in town cuz we

2137
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,720
pay double taxes?" You know, well, we

2138
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,480
have police and we can get there quickly

2139
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,440
and fire and they scrape the roads, but

2140
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:07,480
one thing that I've learned from doing

2141
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:09,840
this job is when you live in town, I

2142
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,360
think one of the things is that you have

2143
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,600
a zoning. Because if you're in the

2144
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:13,840
county, you don't have a zoning. For

2145
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,560
people that I don't know if I agree with

2146
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,280
zoning, but you know, for people that

2147
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:18,400
like it and want to have some rules and

2148
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,800
regulations, I think they move into town

2149
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,760
and I feel like if we take the property

2150
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,880
out and of the ETJ,

2151
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,400
then it sets a precedent that other

2152
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,280
people might want to do that and I just

2153
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,670
think it's bad for our city.

2154
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,400
» All right, we're going to exit the

2155
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,190
public hearing.

2156
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:44,710
Do we have a motion to the board?

2157
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,880
This is Mayor, I'm going to make a

2158
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,760
motion, please.

2159
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:47,520
>> Yes.

2160
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,040
>> I move to adopt the proposed consistency

2161
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,280
statement dated August 4, 2026 contained

2162
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,440
in the agenda materials and to deny the

2163
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:59,960
removal of parcel ID 220

2164
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,320
3757 off of

2165
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,800
Old US 421 Road and Lincoln Heights Road

2166
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,640
from the town of North Wilkesboro's

2167
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,680
extraterritorial jurisdiction.

2168
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,360
You'd also need me to

2169
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,760
read the consistency statement at the

2170
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:14,560
bottom of the

2171
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,520
>> No, no, that that that will suffice. You

2172
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,680
don't need No need. The request would be

2173
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,040
if you add anything to the goals and

2174
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,600
policies, but

2175
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,040
here and now, that's

2176
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,560
>> Well, I have a second.

2177
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:28,920
>> I second.

2178
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,320
>> Second.

2179
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,630
>> All right.

2180
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:32,840
All in favor?

2181
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,790
>> Aye.

2182
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,430
21 vote.

2183
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:43,630
I want to say

2184
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,510
I didn't know that.

2185
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,360
You're the second mother that has

2186
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,240
approached me this week with an autistic

2187
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,960
child. So, I feel for you.

2188
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,520
Anything we can do

2189
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,360
to help you.

2190
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,120
And I know that's not solace here.

2191
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,920
But

2192
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,000
please know that.

2193
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,590
Thank you.

2194
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,670
All right.

2195
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:14,790
Mr. Davis

2196
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,560
» Good evening, Mayor and council.

2197
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,080
I'm here representing the Community

2198
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,800
Development Department. I have two

2199
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,680
separate road closure requests. The

2200
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,160
first is for Food Truck Fiesta on

2201
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,680
Saturday, October 24th. The event itself

2202
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,600
is from 4:00 to 8:00 p.m. The road

2203
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,000
closure request is from 3:00 p.m. until

2204
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,000
midnight.

2205
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,960
It would be for Main Street, C Street,

2206
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,080
and 9th Street. Good job.

2207
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,840
And there is a map of the pleasure

2208
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,600
request and ordinance in your city

2209
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,840
department.

2210
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,040
>> Just read 1 2000 to protect her and then

2211
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,000
they hit since day one.

2212
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,000
It is

2213
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,910
a big boost.

2214
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,400
And it it has been a

2215
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,560
I mean, to see the kids costume and the

2216
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,000
support of

2217
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,760
groups that come and

2218
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,560
participate.

2219
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,240
It's It's Yeah.

2220
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,440
I've been on that one every one of them

2221
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:12,640
and they are

2222
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,520
fun. Thank you. Really fun. And it

2223
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,000
provides a safe environment for the

2224
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,160
kids.

2225
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,920
And um

2226
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,560
So, yeah. I'm It's

2227
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,560
I'm very supportive of

2228
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:33,270
the groups of the group that does this.

2229
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:34,400
» We've both had them again.

2230
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,310
>> Now, what do you say?

2231
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,240
» I'll make a motion.

2232
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:41,560
>> So moved.

2233
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:42,480
>> I'll second.

2234
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,360
>> Second.

2235
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,800
>> All in favor?

2236
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,160
>> Aye.

2237
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,680
>> And so, the second request is for

2238
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,960
lighting downtown. It is scheduled for

2239
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,160
Friday, November the 20th. The event

2240
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,240
itself is from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. The

2241
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,200
road closure request is from 3:00 p.m.

2242
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,360
to 11:00 p.m. And again, it'd be for

2243
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,750
Main Street, B Street, and Ninth Street.

2244
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:08,200
» Again, another very successful event.

2245
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,560
>> Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve

2246
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,120
the street closure ordinance for the

2247
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,840
26th lighting of downtown event.

2248
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:14,760
>> Second. Second.

2249
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,000
>> All in favor?

2250
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,880
>> Aye.

2251
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,080
>> Thank you.

2252
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:29,390
>> We uh

2253
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,230
We're just I'm a public hearing.

2254
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,880
What do we do?

2255
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,480
Are we going to have them too?

2256
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:39,280
Well, we're just calling for a public

2257
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:45,750
hearing on that, I believe.

2258
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,720
Was that the

2259
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,400
That's correct. And then you want to do

2260
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,320
>> Yeah, it's just the introduction and we

2261
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,440
have to call for a public hearing.

2262
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,280
>> you can save all your questions for that

2263
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,200
night.

2264
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,200
>> Yeah, I was going to say yeah, we need

2265
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:56,560
to talk.

2266
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,240
>> I have a motion to call for a public

2267
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,040
hearing on the ordinance.

2268
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,560
>> I'm trying to base it on the wildlife

2269
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,120
feeding ordinance.

2270
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,960
>> Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to call for a

2271
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,720
public hearing on August 27th for the

2272
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,520
wildlife feeding ordinance.

2273
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,600
>> Second that.

2274
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,880
>> All in favor?

2275
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,720
>> Aye.

2276
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,040
>> Do I have a motion to adjourn?

2277
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:15,720
>> Hold on.

2278
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,600
>> Oh, sorry.

2279
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,000
>> Do we have any information on the the

2280
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,640
ordinance?

2281
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,280
>> On the wildlife ordinance?

2282
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,760
>> Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

2283
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,720
>> I apologize, but I thought that's what

2284
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,560
the public hearing was for.

2285
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,230
>> No, we

2286
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,360
» See, I'd like to talk to you about it.

2287
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,800
>> So, typically the state statutes

2288
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,080
requires that any new ordinance first be

2289
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,760
introduced

2290
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,960
and then during that introduction period

2291
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,680
we can call for the public hearing and

2292
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,120
then have a public hearing and then we

2293
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,000
can vote.

2294
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:52,750
>> Take it away, Amy.

2295
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,040
It's my understanding that we've

2296
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,880
actually had some

2297
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,320
folks who have identified that we have

2298
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,400
some wildlife problems in the greenway.

2299
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,680
As a result have folks putting out dry

2300
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,510
food and those sorts of things.

2301
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,920
A couple of different species of

2302
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,280
wildlife have

2303
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,760
near the folks who are walking the greenway.

2304
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,360
So,

2305
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,560
we discussed and identified

2306
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,840
that there are

2307
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,840
ordinance options

2308
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,040
uh that can address those feeding

2309
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,400
concerns and hopefully will learn how we

2310
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,840
can

2311
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,000
better protect our

2312
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:34,880
walking

2313
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,040
areas. So,

2314
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,120
um

2315
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,960
hence the reason for you

2316
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,750
presentation to us.

2317
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,920
» Yeah, I can just

2318
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,280
speak to First of all, I do want to say

2319
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,120
there is a current group

2320
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,520
that is responsible. So, I'm going to

2321
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,520
state this clearly in the front. There

2322
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,920
is a current group that has been taking

2323
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,880
care of the feral

2324
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,640
cats

2325
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,320
>> which at

2326
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:02,800
>> the Greenway

2327
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,120
>> at Smooth Park.

2328
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:04,560
>> And they do

2329
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,440
>> So, we are this this this is a way to

2330
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:09,000
kind of

2331
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,320
codify this so that

2332
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,240
the people that are supposed to be

2333
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,240
feeding

2334
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,880
the animals continue. We're not taking

2335
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,600
that away. We're not

2336
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,120
wanting to hurt

2337
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,600
the cats.

2338
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,080
Um

2339
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,320
I I'm the one that experienced

2340
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,040
the raccoon on the side of the Greenway

2341
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:34,280
with my wife in a walk one evening.

2342
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,680
And it was deep enough down

2343
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,360
uh on the Greenway that

2344
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,200
um

2345
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,560
you know, it it

2346
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,640
the raccoon

2347
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,080
although did not exhibit aggressiveness,

2348
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,120
it also did not exhibit shyness.

2349
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,880
And when you are 5 ft

2350
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,040
from a raccoon that's looking at you

2351
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,320
while it's munching on dry cat food,

2352
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,880
um

2353
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,400
it's a little unnerving.

2354
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,240
And so, um

2355
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,640
the current gentlemen that are feeding

2356
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,360
the cats

2357
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,960
at Smooth Park,

2358
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,120
they currently go in, they feed the

2359
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,240
cats, they clean up their mess, and they

2360
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,270
exit the property.

2361
01:24:19,278 --> 01:24:19,280
» [clears throat]

2362
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,000
>> This is this was a pile of food

2363
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,760
approximately

2364
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,800
a plate size

2365
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:31,080
that was just dumped on the dirt. So,

2366
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,960
you know, it's

2367
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,000
we we've already had an incident where a

2368
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,120
rabid animal

2369
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,238
had some issues with

2370
01:24:40,238 --> 01:24:40,680
>> [clears throat]

2371
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,560
>> people using the greenway. So, it's just

2372
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,760
The greenway, as Andrew has said many, times, is our one of our crown

2373
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,560
jewels of this town.

2374
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:51,760
And

2375
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,520
I want it to be I want people to be able

2376
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,600
to use it and feel safe.

2377
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,840
You know,

2378
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,400
I want to, you know,

2379
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,840
I I think so. I think that's why we kind

2380
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,000
of

2381
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:03,680
um

2382
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,240
are talking about it. And this this

2383
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,600
ordinance is going to have to have some

2384
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,120
guidelines and a permitting process.

2385
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,280
So,

2386
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,520
um

2387
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,480
I I think it's

2388
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:17,320
what we're considering.

2389
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,920
>> I'm concerned of my friends who walk in

2390
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,320
the greenway. The ordinances that were

2391
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,480
out there and there's

2392
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:27,520
They have peanuts that just ain't you

2393
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,800
know, they set them on the railings for

2394
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:30,600
the

2395
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,920
squirrels to get, for the birds to get,

2396
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,520
and they feed those dogs and

2397
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,640
I mean, the squirrel, I mean,

2398
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,040
I understand what Michael's saying

2399
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,840
because if you start dumping a big pile

2400
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,960
of food, that's that's one thing. But,

2401
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,840
for the folks who are just have a

2402
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,120
little bag and I think rather

2403
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,040
we won't be arresting those folks.

2404
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,160
>> Mhm.

2405
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,320
>> Can you put Can you put that aside? I I

2406
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,120
understand I'm I'm just wondering how

2407
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,080
recent it is. Yeah, how we can figure

2408
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,160
that part out and make it

2409
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,280
um

2410
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,280
I'm it's

2411
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,840
I've seen what Michael's saying.

2412
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,800
>> And I'll go a little bit further. In

2413
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,200
neighborhoods where people feed deer, my

2414
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,200
neighbors do it out of good heartedness,

2415
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,920
but you're taking the and away from its

2416
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,400
natural habitat, they become more

2417
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,960
aggressive, they start

2418
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,320
you know

2419
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,729
Thank you.

2420
01:26:23,729 --> 01:26:24,560
>> [laughter]

2421
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,200
>> You know, instead of relying on their

2422
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,920
natural habitat, so I'm anxious to see

2423
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,920
what you guys do with this because it's

2424
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,920
a real problem and the more they

2425
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,160
congregate, the more likely they are to

2426
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:54,505
have chronic wasting disease.

2427
01:26:54,515 --> 01:26:55,560
» [laughter]

2428
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,480
>> There are some exceptions like one of

2429
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:00,000
them is bird feeders.

2430
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,640
And so we can look into adding

2431
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,800
>> Is it the people feeding the bird or

2432
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,240
the house

2433
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,000
>> it's actually the placement of bird

2434
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,200
feeders. Um that's an exception. You

2435
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,080
don't have to get a permit to do that.

2436
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,240
Um but we can look at an exception like

2437
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,400
that if you would want to discuss it.

2438
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,120
And I do mention to you that there are

2439
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,520
penalties,

2440
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,480
um both civil penalties, fines, and then

2441
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:22,920
ultimately it could be a misdemeanor. Um

2442
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,320
this does equip though our police force

2443
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,960
with authority that if there was a

2444
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,520
situation that arose that they did need

2445
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:31,880
to take action that they do have

2446
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,920
specific authority under this ordinance.

2447
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,040
So it it does protect them and us in in

2448
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,760
the town as it stands right now.

2449
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,200
>> And is this is this specifically for

2450
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:42,160
public land or

2451
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:42,560
>> Yes.

2452
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,840
>> Yeah, we we are on the

2453
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,200
>> We will see there's more exceptions like

2454
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,080
your own like hunting, trapping,

2455
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,560
education,

2456
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,760
garden gardening, agricultural, those

2457
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,040
types of things are all exceptions.

2458
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,120
>> Are there any state or federal laws

2459
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,240
against feeding wild animals?

2460
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,960
>> I actually looked into that quite a bit.

2461
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,480
There are

2462
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,280
um there are but none that

2463
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,160
>> It depends on the intention.

2464
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,520
>> Yeah, it kind of yeah, it kind of can

2465
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,120
depend. So we're we're able to put this

2466
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,080
into place without violating those, but

2467
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,400
they actually do not recommend putting

2468
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,600
it on the

2469
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:22,110
state or or federal property.

2470
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:23,760
» I have a motion. Mr. Mayor, I make a

2471
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,240
motion we adjourn this

2472
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,280
Second

2473
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:29,880
Good luck to the two of you on your

2474
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,160
coming up to Wildlight.

2475
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:40,070
All in favor

2476
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Good job.

2477
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,550
It's okay. We got it out. It's good.

2478
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,430
Yes, sir.

2479
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:52,360
Huh?

2480
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,840
All in favor