1
00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:04,840
Seager, Borrello, Robert, Truxillo.

2
00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:04,940
Hello.

3
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:23,260
My client and her husband own that individually, and to make this even, and as part of a sale that will be upcoming to add to the property owner's property, which is the top. And again, I don't have it in front of me, but I believe that's A2.

4
00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,980
But as you look at the survey, it's the, it's the

5
00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:33,580
long piece at the top that fronts on Highway 25.

6
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,640
And that survey that you have, which was my copy, it's 26.

7
00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:47,940
The previous survey was dated in June and it did not do what we were trying to accomplish.

8
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,640
That's why it was passed.

9
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:58,410
And also-

10
00:15:58,410 --> 00:16:01,070
There were this a minute, yeah, so we can clear this up, yeah.

11
00:16:01,130 --> 00:16:01,350
Sure.

12
00:16:02,130 --> 00:16:06,710
Also, when you look at that survey, they're not always that clear, but

13
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:20,070
But there is a 35 foot servitude of drive or passage across the middle of the property which allows the all three properties to have access to highway 25.

14
00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:20,670
I see.

15
00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:41,970
Sure, I'm going to get that.

16
00:16:43,510 --> 00:16:44,050
Thank

17
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:48,500
you.

18
00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:50,800
I'm going to get it like that.

19
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:53,530
Staff,

20
00:16:58,020 --> 00:16:59,400
sir, you have anything else to add?

21
00:16:59,740 --> 00:17:00,240
No, that's it.

22
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,200
Thank you very much.

23
00:17:43,910 --> 00:17:44,310
Okay,

24
00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:49,140
we'll bring it back to the Commission, Robert.

25
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,340
Thank you for the update, I appreciate it.

26
00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,100
I just have a quick question for staff.

27
00:17:55,100 --> 00:18:01,400
Yeah, in light of the new information, so this is just a lot line revision.

28
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,220
This is really not creating a new parcel, yeah.

29
00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:09,320
Not subject to any waivers previously on the last request.

30
00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:10,940
We don't have any waivers, there's nothing.

31
00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:13,820
Everything is conforming, that's what I say, okay.

32
00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:22,420
It's a much better configuration, getting rid of that box out of parcel A, which is now

33
00:18:22,420 --> 00:18:25,580
Not a two, but shown as B2 on ours.

34
00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,420
So I'm fine with it.

35
00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:28,500
I'd like to make a motion to approve.

36
00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,000
Motion to approve, Commissioner Robert, Commissioner Truxillo.

37
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,160
Yeah, I agree, a second.

38
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,260
Okay, we have a motion in a second.

39
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,200
No further discussion, please vote.

40
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,680
Motion to approve, carries.

41
00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:48,620
Number five.

42
00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:50,820
I have number five.

43
00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:58,320
2026, 4748, MSP.

44
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,320
minor subdivision of lots M1 and M2 and some lot M1A,

45
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,340
owner and representative,

46
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,220
Ellison Holdings, LLC, Wayne Crental,

47
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,680
Surveyer, Kelly McEwan, Associate's Inc,

48
00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:14,860
Parish Counselor District Representative,

49
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,980
the Honorable Rick Smith,

50
00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:18,340
General Location of Property is located

51
00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,760
on the east side of LA Highway 21,

52
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,780
South of Brady Island Lane,

53
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,940
Madisonville, Louisiana Ward 1 District 1.

54
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:26,820
Staff.

55
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:41,880
The minus subdivision requires a public hearing due to, as you can see, in table 1, the petition lot, M1 and M2 have been through the minus subdivision process thus requiring approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission, and the request shall be subject to item number 1.

56
00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:46,760
Okay, anyone in the audience would you speak in favor?

57
00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:49,950
Anyone opposed?

58
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:54,010
Bring it back to the Commission, Commission Rubar.

59
00:19:55,470 --> 00:20:02,810
I have a, is the applicant here, I believe this is McDaniel Dermatology, the office for McDaniel Dermatology, is it not?

60
00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,290
Okay, my poor husband had to go there a few weeks ago.

61
00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:06,270
They're great.

62
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:07,430
Feel bad for him.

63
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:07,850
Do you mind?

64
00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:09,150
What?

65
00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:11,390
I mean, we all have some damage in Louisiana.

66
00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:16,890
Anyway, staff, my question is, so we're consolidating these parcels, correct?

67
00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:23,750
In fact, the parcel, prior parcel M2, is for the pond.

68
00:20:24,510 --> 00:20:27,150
What is the intent of combining these?

69
00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:32,690
Are we aware and is that going to change because of zoning and what the uses of this property?

70
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:40,550
I'm a little concerned that we're going to open up a can of warms with more development on this lot, where the pond is, because it doesn't look like it's-

71
00:20:42,370 --> 00:20:52,430
The purpose is to accommodate some parking if I'm not mistaking in a rear, but you also to meet all the drainage requirements on one parcel.

72
00:20:53,410 --> 00:20:58,090
It has all the same zoning right now, so this is the purpose of it.

73
00:20:58,370 --> 00:21:04,470
It's not going to create any issues with the pond and it's going to stay away from the pond as required.

74
00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:05,950
Okay, that was my main concern.

75
00:21:06,250 --> 00:21:07,050
Thank you so much, Ellen.

76
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:08,650
I'd like to make a motion to approve.

77
00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:11,690
Motion to approve, Commissioner O'Bare, Commissioner Seeger.

78
00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:12,790
Second.

79
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:14,730
We have a motion in a second.

80
00:21:15,790 --> 00:21:17,310
No further discussion, please vote.

81
00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:25,170
Motion to approve carries.

82
00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:33,250
I had a number six, 2026, 4751, minus subdivision of lots.

83
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:41,820
A1 and A1A, A1B, A1C, and A1D.

84
00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:45,460
owner, representative, Mark and Casey, LLC, Mark Hoss,

85
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,100
surveyor John G. Cummings and Associates,

86
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:51,840
Paris Council District Representative, Honorable Sherr-Tanner.

87
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,040
General location of property is located on the south side of L.A.,

88
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,720
hot 435, and on the north east side of Sneed Drive of Beta Springs,

89
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,260
Louisiana, Ward 6 District 6.

90
00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:05,260
Staff?

91
00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:11,140
The applicant is requesting to subdivide the existing parcel A into parcel A1A,

92
00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:13,380
A1B, A1C, and A1D.

93
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,960
The minor subdivision requires a public hearing due to, as you can see,

94
00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:20,960
in table one, the petition parcel A1 has been through the minor subdivision process,

95
00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:23,360
thus requiring approval from the planning commission.

96
00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:26,460
Anyone in the audience who's to speak in favor?

97
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:27,900
Is the petitioner here?

98
00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:30,680
Do you have anything to add?

99
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:31,940
Okay.

100
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:33,880
Anyone opposed?

101
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:38,260
Okay, bring it back to the commission, the commissioner Robert.

102
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:45,460
This is right next to where I live, my subdivision, I don't have a problem with this.

103
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,280
It's the acreage is still far and above the base zoning district of S1.

104
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:59,180
And Mr. Mark has assured me that he has no intentions of pulling down the 100 year old barn that's on that property.

105
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,680
Really excited to see that stay.

106
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,520
So I would make a motion to approve.

107
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,780
Motion to approve, Commissioner Robert, Commissioner Martino.

108
00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:16,680
Yeah, I agree, the lot sizes would be very large compared to others, and not as small as they could be.

109
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,740
Everything looks complete, I'll make a second.

110
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:23,240
We have a motion in a second, no further discussion.

111
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:24,480
Please vote.

112
00:23:30,290 --> 00:23:31,390
Motion to approve, carries.

113
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:36,730
Item number 7, 2026, 4753, MSP.

114
00:23:36,730 --> 00:23:48,350
minus subdivision of 1.928 acres and to loss J1 and J2 on the representative, Joseph Meir, and Kristen Goldady.

115
00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:56,090
Surveyer Randall W. Brown and Associates, Parish Council representative, Cheryl Tanner,

116
00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:06,430
General Location of Property is located on the southeast corner of San Maun Street and LA 51 coming to Louisiana.

117
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:09,750
in Ward 10 District 6.

118
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:10,650
Staff?

119
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:18,010
The applicant is requesting to subdivide 1.928 acres into Lodz J1 and J2.

120
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:29,530
The minus subdivision requires a public hearing due to Lodz J2 does not meet the minimum lots as of 1 acre required under the L1 large, large, large residential district, thus requiring a waiver from the planning commission.

121
00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:54,270
This possibly may be the first time that the Planning and Zoning Commission will address this request here, and this is the reason why I included Section 800-2.2D1, unmet minimum lock requirements, and if you focus on pretty much the last sentence, is that the Planning and Zoning Commission has the authority to waive a lot area up to 10% of reduction in a lot area.

122
00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:56,890
So basically this is what the owner is requesting.

123
00:24:57,450 --> 00:25:04,130
If you take a look at the survey, you know, the property is not exactly two acres, it's 1.928.

124
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:09,390
So the request is to create a 1 acre parcel, where there's an existing residence and

125
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:13,910
to also create a 0.0928 acre parcel.

126
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:19,250
And that's the objective of the request is to reduce by less than 10 percent.

127
00:25:20,670 --> 00:25:23,010
Okay, anyone in the audience wishes to speak in favor?

128
00:25:24,550 --> 00:25:25,770
Is the petitioner here?

129
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:27,010
Yeah, I'm here.

130
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:28,030
Do you have anything to add?

131
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:28,850
Okay.

132
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:29,990
Anyone opposed?

133
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:33,750
Bring it back to the commission, Commissioner Truxillo.

134
00:25:34,650 --> 00:25:36,730
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with this.

135
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:42,250
It's in the limits, I make a motion to approve with the waiver.

136
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:43,310
With the waiver.

137
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:46,970
Motion to approve with the waiver, Commissioner Truxillo, Commissioner Robert.

138
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:47,110
there.

139
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:51,050
I'd like to second Commissioner Truxilla's motion with the waiver.

140
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:52,950
Okay, we have a motion and a second.

141
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:55,370
So you know further discussion, please vote.

142
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:03,270
Motion to approve with waiver carries.

143
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:09,350
Item number 8, 2026, 4755 MSB.

144
00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:17,790
Miner subdivisions of parcels A1A and 1A1A1B into A1A2.

145
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:27,870
A-A-2, owner and representative, seed breed, 59 investments, LLC, and in 59 ventures, LLC.

146
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:33,710
Surveyer, low engineers, Paris Council District representative, the Honorable author, law flim.

147
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:38,250
General location, the property is located in the southeast corner of L.A.

148
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:42,870
59, and stringed road, Manneville, Louisiana, Wardford District 11.

149
00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:44,190
Staff.

150
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:48,090
The minor subdivision requires a public hearing due to, as you can see,

151
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:55,350
in table one, the petition parcels A1A and 1A1A1B have been through the minor subdivision process.

152
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:58,190
That's requiring approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission.

153
00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:01,910
And it should be subject to items one and two.

154
00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:04,490
Okay, Mr. Soche, do you have anything to add?

155
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Okay.

156
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,660
Anyone in the audience who are speaking favor, anyone opposed?

157
00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:16,740
I don't have any speaker cards, I'll bring it back to the commission.

158
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,600
Did you, did you, did you create a speaker card?

159
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Okay, that's okay, just turn, come on, turn in when you're done.

160
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,660
Just state your name and your address for me.

161
00:27:26,420 --> 00:27:29,340
Lesslie, don't hear you, 2, 2, 1, 8, 3, Ruco, heel.

162
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:35,820
My question is, this is combined, does this change the zoning?

163
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,180
It does not.

164
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,280
It does not change the zoning.

165
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:39,740
No, ma'am.

166
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:40,660
Okay.

167
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,120
Okay. And do we have, like, any idea?

168
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,920
You have to speak to us, I apologize.

169
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:45,940
You have to speak to us.

170
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,620
Do we have any idea what we plan to build here?

171
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,660
I think we've been at this podium many a time.

172
00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:56,260
We have, and we do not have a plan in front of us that we're not voting on any kind of plan

173
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:58,460
just to put you at ease.

174
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,860
There's no plan or development in front of us.

175
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,380
This is just combining the two lot parcels into one.

176
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:11,020
And would he be opposed of offering up, saying what he plans to build there?

177
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:15,820
That's his discretion, or if somebody wants to ask him, they can do that.

178
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:22,120
I would request that somebody asks them, that would be beneficial to the community.

179
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:22,940
That a problem.

180
00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:23,760
You have any other questions?

181
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Thank you, no.

182
00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:25,160
Thank you.

183
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:31,130
Anyone else in the audience who wants to speak, Mr. Soche, you have three minutes?

184
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,840
Yes.

185
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,320
That's good questions, and I'd like to address it.

186
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:48,360
I've owned this property, my partner's an eye for over 15 years,

187
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,980
it's taken a lot longer to develop than we thought.

188
00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:57,400
We have had options on the property to the north, which is being combined with this for years.

189
00:28:57,740 --> 00:29:01,120
Instead of continuing to have those options to buy that property,

190
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:06,420
it's become evident to me over the years that highway 59 needs major improvements.

191
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,380
My company's originally still owned 7.77 acres.

192
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:14,920
The adjoining property owner owned 25 acres.

193
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:18,220
I had sewer, they did not have sewer.

194
00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:22,020
So I got together with them and I said, look, why don't we plan this right?

195
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:31,540
I have deep relationships with the DOTD and we are working on major regional improvements to Shrain Road and Highway 59.

196
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Again, it made no sense for me to do that for seven acres of land.

197
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,620
It makes a lot of sense for me to do it on 33 acres of land.

198
00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:44,060
This property also all drains in one direction to the creek.

199
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,640
So basically I got with the landowner next door and said, listen, instead of just continuing

200
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,100
to do these options, we have these development challenges, these basic challenges.

201
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Why don't we work together?

202
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,240
We're ready to just properly line and move forward stronger and in a consent. Ma'am, you have three minutes if you have any other comments?

203
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:17,920
No, I mean, so you didn't address my question. Okay. Thank you very much. That'll end the public discussion. We'll bring it back to the Commission, Commissioner Robert.

204
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:30,560
I just want to say he actually did. I know it doesn't seem that way. So whenever we look at sewer utility lines, crossing property lines, there were rules and regulations that have to be followed around that.

205
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:40,540
But by removing the property line in the middle, they're allowed to basically have on the same property without having to worry about setbacks from those property lines for utilities.

206
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:48,040
So it just makes it a more cohesive parcel for whatever he's planning on doing with the OT regardless of what that is.

207
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:58,060
And it, so yeah, I don't have a problem with this simply because, again, less density, I'd like to make a motion to approve.

208
00:30:58,060 --> 00:31:01,520
Motion to approve, Commissioner Robert, Commissioner Truxillo.

209
00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:02,480
Second.

210
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,660
Motion to second, and Mr. Jose, I look forward to seeing what that traffic plan looks like.

211
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:13,510
No further discussion, please vote.

212
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:20,590
Motion to approve, carries.

213
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:29,390
Number nine, 2026, 4759, MSP minus subdivision of two acres into parts of the A and B.

214
00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:32,630
Oner representative, panel, construction LLC,

215
00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:35,370
surveyor land surveying, LLC,

216
00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:37,350
Paris Council District representative,

217
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:38,630
Narnable Rick Smith,

218
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:40,970
general location of property is located

219
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:43,350
in the southeast corner of Brewster Road

220
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:45,570
in Ethan Lane, Madisonville, Louisiana,

221
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:47,310
Ward 1 District 1.

222
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:48,850
Staff?

223
00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:50,990
The applicant is requesting to subdivide

224
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,930
two acres and two parcels A and B.

225
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:55,990
The minor subdivision requires the public hearing

226
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:58,310
due to parcel B is proposed to be accessed

227
00:31:58,310 --> 00:32:04,390
from a 44 existing private drive identified as Ethan Lane, thus requiring approval from the Planning Commission.

228
00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:13,970
And also requesting a waiver of the construction requirements for the existing 40-foot private servitude to parcel lead thus requiring approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission.

229
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,970
If you notice, this is a two-acre parcel of Lane.

230
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:23,130
One parcel proposed to be created, parcel A, which will have an access, a driveway on Brewster Road.

231
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:26,070
The other one will have an access on Ethan Lane.

232
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:39,830
I mean, the owner of this property panel construction was able to contact the property owners along Ethan Lane and have the servitude of access amended to be able to use Ethan Lane.

233
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:45,790
The advantage of that is, you know, basically, we'll have one driveway on Brewster Road instead of having two.

234
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:51,310
And this is the reason why he's coming in front of you to request also a waiver.

235
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:54,090
This road is currently being used.

236
00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:58,850
It's constructed to the standards, so that's the reason for the waiver.

237
00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:00,470
Thank you.

238
00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:03,930
I have one card on this, Mr. Kenneth Hughes.

239
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:14,130
Is the applicant, is the petitioner here?

240
00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:14,710
I apologize.

241
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:15,750
I didn't, sir.

242
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:16,390
I apologize.

243
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:17,890
If you could just have a seat for me.

244
00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:21,750
I realize you were against you have anything to add, sir.

245
00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:24,750
Okay, thank you, sorry.

246
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:26,570
Protocol.

247
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:32,090
call. My name is Kenneth Hughes. I live at 631, winded me a chase. I live in

248
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:36,190
probably the nicest subdivision that's on Brewster. I've been living there for

249
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:42,210
13 years. Brewster doesn't even look less density in that area right now. As

250
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:46,990
y'all know, it's a dangerous road to drive on every day in Brewster. The

251
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:52,350
shoulders are falling off on both sides. We have many accidents, many problems at

252
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:53,910
the four-way stop sign.

253
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:57,630
We can't leave from Brewster, you get on a 1085,

254
00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:59,130
but I'm was getting killed.

255
00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,450
The traffic in that corner, which is blonde,

256
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:05,370
both ways, it's driving 55 miles an hour with trucks now.

257
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:07,470
If people are sitting there waiting for a chance

258
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:10,790
to get out, and it's just a dangerous area right now.

259
00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:14,070
Besides the fact that the property has been there

260
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:18,810
for 14 or 15 years in just horrible condition.

261
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:21,210
It was poorly maintained, it was a trailer.

262
00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:24,990
It's probably the only property on Bruce that has a trailer on it.

263
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:29,230
Our old house trailer, it finally took it off, it looks a lot cleaner now.

264
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:34,770
It's more presentable just being vacant, but I know somebody isn't probably built a house on it.

265
00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:40,810
But the majority of the homes in that area on the right side are two and three acre property, some of them are four and five.

266
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:48,330
My neighborhood, we probably have an average of 1.6 of 2.2 acres in our subdivision.

267
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:50,770
We are right across that property.

268
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:58,870
We've been using, we cross it every day, there's a rock road that they want to divide it and put a second lot behind it.

269
00:34:59,110 --> 00:35:08,670
I think it should remain as one property, a two acre property, a benefit to the neighborhood, reducing it to two lots.

270
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:14,010
And I would like to either deny the request or postpone it to my subdivision.

271
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:19,150
Homes Association can check into this more and I'm certain they want to comment on it

272
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:26,390
I did an informal survey on the phone today before I came in and everybody I talked to wasn't sure what was going on

273
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:29,410
But they all said they didn't want any changes at that location

274
00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:31,930
Thank you. Thank you

275
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:36,690
Sorry, you have a rebuttal time if you wish to make any comments

276
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:38,610
three minutes

277
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:43,790
You have any have any comments or not? Okay. Thank you

278
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,420
That'll be the end of public comment or right back to the Commission and Commission Martino.

279
00:35:51,820 --> 00:36:00,620
With this corridor starting there, I think I would disagree that you didn't specifically

280
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:08,840
say Brewster is neglected, but I do want to make a point to commend our public works,

281
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:15,940
engineering and some other departments for almost daily work up and down

282
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:23,340
Brewster because it is a corridor that's being heavily traveled but also

283
00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:32,500
there's more interest in developments. And I would say with access that's

284
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:40,080
being requested, it would minimize the eye sore, or I think you noted for over a decade

285
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,520
has been left untouched.

286
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:53,300
The one acre, or I'm sorry, two one acre parcel requests that this could lead to, in my

287
00:36:53,300 --> 00:37:01,360
opinion, is not very dense as far as for what would likely be, actually as a petitioner,

288
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,360
I do have a question.

289
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,360
This will be potentially to one site.

290
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:21,300
So once access, my question would be once access was granted and this division for two

291
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,640
one acre parcels, this would end up being two home sites, correct?

292
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:25,240
Yes, sir.

293
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:25,800
Okay.

294
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,880
Okay, so, and that was it, I just wanted to clarify just to make sure you've got a chance

295
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,200
to talk.

296
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:33,100
Yes, sir.

297
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,140
That being said, with some of the surrounding developments, this is in line, I make

298
00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:41,920
a motion to approve with the waiver.

299
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120
With the waiver as well as the comments from staff.

300
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:51,540
Okay, motion to approve with the waiver, Commissioner Martino, Commissioner Truccella.

301
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:55,260
No, no, no.

302
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,400
Sir, the time for public comment is over.

303
00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:01,340
I'm sorry, I gave you the time.

304
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,500
It's a one acre parcel that's all that we're talking about today.

305
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:05,420
Commissioner Truxillo.

306
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:07,260
Yes, I have no issue with this.

307
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:08,560
My second.

308
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:10,160
Motion and a second.

309
00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:12,140
Commissioner Rober.

310
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,900
I just want to clear something up.

311
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,520
I have no issue with anything, but I just want to explain.

312
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,220
So the only reason that we are even hearing this request tonight is on a very minor technicality and that is

313
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:30,120
The waiver because it's being accessed from a 40-foot private drive

314
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Were these two parcels side-by-side on Bruce a road?

315
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:40,020
This would not have come in front of us. This would have gone through administrative approval with the parish planning and development office and

316
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:46,780
None of us would have ever heard about it. The 40-foot existing private drive that looks like it's pretty well maintained

317
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,600
I mean, does the only reason that this commission is hearing it?

318
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:54,180
So I just wanted to make sure you understand that.

319
00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:02,230
Okay, I see no further discussion.

320
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:03,890
We have a motion in a second, please vote.

321
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,720
Motion to approve with waivers, carries.

322
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:18,760
Item number 10, 2026, 4744, MRP.

323
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,680
Rehearsed the vision of lots 29 and 30 into lots 29A.

324
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,940
Covington Industrial Park Phase 2, owner of their representative,

325
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Favre investments, LLC, Paris Council District Representative,

326
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,280
the Honorable Larry Rowling, General Location of Property is located on the

327
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,640
southeast corner of Fabrication Row, and Welders Row,

328
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Covington Louisiana Ward 3 District 2.

329
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:45,500
Staff?

330
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:49,080
The Resub Division requires a public hearing due to, as stated,

331
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,280
inter-restrictive covenants of the approved flat,

332
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,080
That no large shall be further resubdivided without approval from the planning commission.

333
00:39:57,210 --> 00:39:59,870
Sir, you look anxious, come on up.

334
00:39:59,990 --> 00:40:00,470
No, I'm not.

335
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:03,270
The state's your name for me?

336
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:08,110
Matthew Morgan, 71344 Riverside Drive, Covington, Louisiana.

337
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:13,750
I do not have any additional comments for just putting two lots together to build a building.

338
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:15,250
Okay, thank you.

339
00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:17,790
Anyone else in the audience who are speaking favor?

340
00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:19,810
Anyone opposed?

341
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:24,070
First, bring it back to you, the Commission, Commissioner Sieger.

342
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:26,070
Move to approve.

343
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:28,370
Motion to approve, Commissioner Sieger.

344
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:29,390
Commissioner Mcmillan.

345
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:30,570
Second.

346
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:32,290
Commissioner Milligan, sorry.

347
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:35,310
We have a motion in a second.

348
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:37,530
No further discussion, please vote.

349
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:46,790
Motion to approve, carries.

350
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:48,950
Thank you.

351
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:52,670
Item number 11, 2026, 4756,

352
00:40:52,670 --> 00:41:06,190
6th, MRP, Resubdivision of Loss 399 and 400 into Loss 399 A, Money Hill Plantation, Phase 7A, owner and representative, Joseph and Tiffany Caldara.

353
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:15,610
But the Paris Council District Representative, Honorable Cheryl Tanner, General Location of Properties located on the northeast corner of Camp Hill Court,

354
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:19,490
He can't appeal drive on the west side of Foxtrot Drive.

355
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:22,970
Abita Springs, Louisiana, Ward 6 District 6.

356
00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:23,890
Staff.

357
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:27,470
The Resub Division requires a public hearing due to a stated

358
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:29,570
interstitial governance of the approved flat.

359
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:30,690
No large shall be further.

360
00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:33,590
Resub divided without approval from the planning and zoning commission.

361
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:38,110
Is anyone in the audience wish to speak in favor?

362
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:41,110
Yes, sir.

363
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:48,810
Make it in the state lot?

364
00:41:49,850 --> 00:41:50,250
Yes, sir.

365
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:54,890
Joe Calderon is running and I'm just combining two lots.

366
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:56,890
Sounds good, thank you.

367
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:57,410
Thank you, sir.

368
00:41:57,670 --> 00:42:04,100
Anyone in the audience who is to speak against, bring it back to the commission, Commissioner Seager.

369
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,140
Move to approve.

370
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,900
Motion to approve, Commissioner Seager, Commissioner Robert.

371
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Second.

372
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:13,500
Motion in a second, please vote.

373
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:20,590
Thank you all for being patient with us.

374
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:22,450
Motion to approve carries.

375
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:31,390
Item number 12 under Concepts Subdivision Approval, 2025-4205TP.

376
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:37,130
B2C Creek Subdivision Parts 1, Developer Owner, B2C Creek Preserve, LLC,

377
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,530
Engineers, Surveyors, Kalimicune Associates, Inc.

378
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:43,910
Parish Council District, Representative, Honorable Kathy Siden,

379
00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:52,830
General Location of Properties located on the northwest side of LA, highway 1085 south of the state.

380
00:42:52,830 --> 00:43:00,870
May 12th, Madisonville, Louisiana, Ward 1 District 4, post-pone at the July 14 planning and zoning staff meeting.

381
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:02,590
Yes, sir.

382
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:12,210
This case was previously post-pone at the May 13th, 2025 meeting, indefinitely post-poned at the June 10th, 2025 meeting, and again post-poned at the July 14th, 2026 meeting.

383
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:19,290
Concept plans and documentation have been reviewed by this office, and an inspection was made at the site on July 23rd, 2026.

384
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:26,010
Concept approval shall be subject to the blow informational items and comments numbers 1 through 6 be completed and addressed.

385
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:27,470
Thank you.

386
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:29,110
Mr. Boreau.

387
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:38,340
So just to clarify for the audience, we're going to do seven minutes each side forward against.

388
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:39,640
Mr. Boreau, seven minutes.

389
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:40,300
Thank you.

390
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,780
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, Paul Morone, on behalf of the petitioner.

391
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,160
As you may recall back in April of last year,

392
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:59,220
We came to you as a zoning commission and asked that you amend the PUD for beta co-creak.

393
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:09,660
As a result of the approval of that amendment, the particular parcel that is subject to our request this evening was approved for 35 residential lots in this precise location.

394
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:21,600
It may have last year we asked for concept plan approval based on that put amendment, but at that time we were asked by a number of constituent groups to look and

395
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,800
And see if there was another alternative location that we might be able to place these lots.

396
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:32,260
We spent about a year doing that, and we came back before you earlier this year requesting

397
00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:37,460
that you consider omitting the putt again to relocate these lots to another location.

398
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:41,520
As you well know, that was rejected and denies.

399
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:46,580
So as a result of that, we're back before you tonight asking for concept approval,

400
00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:54,400
pursuant to the PUD plan that is in place and approved by you last year.

401
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,480
The plan before you reflects 28 lots. The PUD plan allows 35, so we are less dense than is permitted. The location of these lots is precisely in the location that is permitted by the PUD plan. These are the last 24, 28 lots of the 970 lots that are permitted and be to co-creek. The plan before you would respectfully suggest is completely compliant.

402
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:36,560
with not only our put zoning, but also with the applicable provisions of the ordinances of St.

403
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:37,440
Tamini Parish.

404
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:42,520
Now I know in the past there has been, if you look at the plan before you, you will see

405
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,800
that we are preserving and rerouting that cart path so that it will extend around the south

406
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,960
side of these lots and will connect to the existing path near B2CO Boulevard.

407
00:45:52,960 --> 00:46:02,620
I would also point out to you, and I think it's important to note that the card path is not a required amenity for B2Co Creek.

408
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:08,940
We fulfill all of our required amenities with all of the improvements throughout the development.

409
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:12,300
Nonetheless, we are preserving that path.

410
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:17,280
I would also point out that we are maintaining the buffer between the back or

411
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,840
the north side of our lots and the lots that are existing to the north, the three lots.

412
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:26,420
At the closest point, we're about 59 feet, lot lined, a lot lined.

413
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,300
And the largest gap is about 89 feet.

414
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,500
So we have a significant buffer that is being preserved there.

415
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:41,160
We are not seeking any waivers, although the staff has suggested that we do seek a waiver as it relates to the placement of one of our driveways.

416
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:51,200
We will comply with all of the staff comments that are applicable to our site and to our request this evening.

417
00:46:52,400 --> 00:47:00,180
Comment number two in the staff comments suggests that section 900-3.286 of the Unified Development Code,

418
00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:08,040
which requires two points of ingress and egress, applies to beta code Creek and I would respectfully suggest to you that it doesn't.

419
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,660
Mr. Easterly, here with me we'll come in a little bit more on that.

420
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:22,580
But that particular section was created and arose for the first time when the new development code was approved several years ago.

421
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:33,780
That particular section, I would submit to you, does not apply to a plan unit development that was approved in 1997 and was largely constructed and

422
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:38,080
build out at the time that that section was introduced.

423
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:45,260
I am not aware of any other substantive code change that is such as this that is being

424
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:52,520
applied to developments that are as far down the path of completion as beta co-IS.

425
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:59,700
In addition, I would point out to you that this issue did not arise when we amended the

426
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:06,720
in 2025. In fact, that PUD plan that was approved showed one ingress and

427
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,420
egress just like every other PUD plan since 1997.

428
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,500
There was no comment at that time that this section applies.

429
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,400
We applied for concept plan last year.

430
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:20,500
There was no suggestion that that section applied.

431
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:24,560
We applied for a PUD amendment just a few months ago.

432
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,240
There was no suggestion that that section applied.

433
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:48,620
I would respectfully suggest to you, for those reasons and others, that that section simply does not apply to Betico, but also to other similarly situated subdivisions, which if it did apply to Betico, it would apply to Gust Island, it would apply to River Club, it would apply to Chifunkta, just to name a few.

434
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:57,960
So, I do not believe that it applies, and I hope that you will consider that in making your decision this evening.

435
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:08,940
Our concept plan is compliant with our PUD zoning, it is compliant with your EDC, and we respectfully suggest that we are entitled to move forward.

436
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:15,220
If we meet your codes for these 28 lots, which we do, then we believe we're entitled to move forward.

437
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,000
And we ask for your approval so that we can pursue the rest of the planning process.

438
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:21,060
Thank you.

439
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:26,920
Okay, anyone else in the audience wishes to speak in favor?

440
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:29,080
You have a minute and 22 seconds.

441
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Okay, so I have two speaker cards that wish to speak in opposition.

442
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:46,810
And I have a card from everyone else in the audience here that does not wish to speak.

443
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:51,470
William, Phil Plott?

444
00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:52,710
We're going to burn Justin first.

445
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:55,130
Okay, Justin,

446
00:49:57,290 --> 00:50:01,750
I have a Joey Liberto as well, okay?

447
00:50:03,450 --> 00:50:06,790
So it's just seven minutes and we do have another speaker who wishes to speak.

448
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:07,130
So,

449
00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:19,410
Justin Schmidt, 1506, 7th Street, New Orleans, 70115, representing consortium of the residents that are in opposition to this application.

450
00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:28,550
First, a little housekeeping, we'd like to submit, this was emailed earlier, we would just like to send up on a hard copy.

451
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:38,710
this is a petition of 604, now residents of Bidico Creek that are against this proposal for us.

452
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:43,830
And these are some pictures addressing some flooding concerns that were addressed.

453
00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:52,810
Hopefully you've had some time earlier today to review the letter that I wrote.

454
00:50:53,870 --> 00:51:01,310
I respectfully disagree, and the gist of this is really kind of addressing Mr.

455
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:04,330
Meirone's last comments.

456
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:06,890
I respectfully disagree that this is compliant.

457
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:10,690
Actually, according to the UDC,

458
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:17,610
BidicoGreek is, and whatever other subdivisions he cited, they're non-conformanities.

459
00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:36,670
The UDC is clear that non-conformities that once a property is in place that if the UDC changes it then becomes a non-conformity that's in section 500 of the UDC.

460
00:51:36,670 --> 00:52:04,750
So, in order for that to, for changes under Section 500, 4.1 B4, which addresses those items that are non, the dress is not conformities and what must be there, he simply does not make the threshold requirements that the expansion is not going to create.

461
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:14,850
the parking hazard permit in an adequate parking and substantially overburden the existing drainage sewage system or in danger, the safety of the residents.

462
00:52:17,330 --> 00:52:27,910
While the PUD was approved in 1997, it wasn't approved with 970 lots.

463
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:34,670
these have come, these have evolved over time, and whether or not the council on the commission

464
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:45,630
didn't apply the two, because it wasn't there to apply, the two accents point at the time,

465
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:51,630
that's irrelevant at this point. We're here today on this application. That's what we're looking at

466
00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:56,970
is the merits of this application and what it is as of today, not in what it was in 1997.

467
00:52:56,970 --> 00:53:21,210
I think St. Tamini has, since 1997, has seen exactly the problems that have arisen from overbuilding and manipulation by developers that continue to try to shoehorn projects and milk every single square foot of property out of a subdivision into a lot of records so they can sell it for profit.

468
00:53:21,210 --> 00:53:23,150
But that was not the case here.

469
00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:30,770
We've already had several and you can see the sea of red behind me that are against this.

470
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:40,130
In addition to the problem with the ingress and

471
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:48,350
the technical problems that I'm sure your legal department will eventually key in on the fact that these are applicable provisions.

472
00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:57,550
You know, my letter highlights some of the problems, specific to this area and flooding.

473
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,990
People are trapped in their homes because they can't get out before.

474
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:09,130
This is a property that for whatever reason appears to have been overbilled or

475
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:15,430
the infrastructure was not properly installed to address these issues.

476
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:31,560
If there were a catastrophic, you know, let's say there was a fire, you'd have big problems with 974 residents, you know, homes, families getting out of a two lane ingress in

477
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,360
address, the one that they have.

478
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:41,840
These are there for a reason, and I'm kind of surprised that the fire codes don't even

479
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,420
address that while it's in the UDC certainly does.

480
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:55,420
The staff was very thoughtful in its analysis, and that's just one.

481
00:54:55,420 --> 00:55:05,380
I think you saw in the first comment that the staff made, they suggested that, look, apply for the waiver.

482
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,600
And the developer just decided, no, we're not going to do that.

483
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,380
This to me seems like a developer that's just decided, I want what I want.

484
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:18,900
And this is how it's going to be, and that's just not how like works.

485
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:34,140
I also note that there are several comments by the staff and the staff report that there's not enough information here.

486
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:43,980
I don't think there's enough information here too, but I don't think that calls for a reason to postpone this or defer it to another meeting.

487
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:47,800
I think this should be denied out right, and I think that should have to go back and

488
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,280
put together a plan that's going to work on a regular pace that's consistent with the UDC.

489
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:57,660
So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer that otherwise, I'm yielding my time to.

490
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Thank you, Mr. Joey,

491
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:07,170
Roberto,

492
00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:12,070
William, do you wish to speak as well?

493
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:18,050
Okay, good evening, my name is Joey Leverto.

494
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:31,090
So, many of us choose to live in this neighborhood because what was presented to us was presented to us when we bought our homes, a community with green space, amenities, and a certain quality of life.

495
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:42,070
Now after families have invested their savings, raised their children, and built their lives here, we're being asked to accept the removal of those very things just so we could build more homes.

496
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:44,930
to many of us that feels like bait and switch.

497
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:50,090
The people who live here will be the ones left to deal with the consequences,

498
00:56:50,810 --> 00:56:54,750
increase traffic, greater strain on the infrastructure, and loss of green space,

499
00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:56,990
and permanent impact on our quality of life.

500
00:56:57,370 --> 00:57:01,210
Meanwhile, the developer receives the financial benefit and simply moves on.

501
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:09,770
For me personally, for me, the responsibility to protect the community is deeply personal.

502
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:15,870
My father, Captain Vincent Liberto, Mendeville Police Department, was killed in the line of duty serving this community.

503
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:19,410
He was killed on September 20, 2019.

504
00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:22,550
He believed in the words protect and serve.

505
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:25,590
They were not just words to him, he lived them.

506
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:28,130
He ultimately gave his life for them.

507
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:36,590
That same principle, putting the well-being of the community ahead of individual interest, is at the heart of public service.

508
00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:42,770
us. You were elected or appointed to represent the people who live here. And when a community

509
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:47,790
is faced with someone willing to sacrifice our green space, our amenities, our quality

510
00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:53,930
of life for personal financial gain, government becomes our last line of defense. We need you

511
00:57:53,930 --> 00:58:00,430
to be that line of defense. Not only do not allow bait and switch to be rewarded,

512
00:58:06,110 --> 00:58:06,570
do not

513
00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:11,710
up for the families who already live here, protect the community you are entrusted to serve,

514
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:13,830
protect our quality of life.

515
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:18,530
My father showed this community what protect and serve truly means.

516
00:58:19,710 --> 00:58:23,630
Tonight, I'm asking each of you to honor that same responsibility.

517
00:58:24,610 --> 00:58:27,950
Stand between this community and those who wish to diminish it.

518
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:31,370
And protect the people you are entrusted to serve.

519
00:58:32,330 --> 00:58:33,150
I yield my time.

520
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:36,670
Thank you for your father service, guys

521
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:45,790
I know that was very moving but we just we can't do the the applause, please

522
00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:47,530
Mr. Morone

523
00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:56,590
Thank you, Mr. Chairman just a few follow-up comments

524
00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:04,250
First I do not believe that there was a bait and switch to the contrary we have been through

525
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:05,350
numerous

526
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:09,650
Community meetings and public meetings through the last two years

527
00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:13,410
Probably more than any other project that there's been

528
00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:19,870
I would also suggest to you that the idea that we have added all of these lots is simply not the facts.

529
00:59:20,250 --> 00:59:30,590
The lots that were approved in Beta Code Creek in 1997, the number of lots was the number of lots until 2025 when it was increased by 35 when the commercial went away.

530
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:39,530
Other than that, there has been no increase in density whatsoever to suggest over the years that density has creeped up is simply not the case.

531
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:46,370
I would also respectfully disagree with the idea that these 28 lots are going to create parking

532
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:51,550
problems or create a health safety and welfare for the residents.

533
00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:54,770
I just don't believe that these 28 lots out of 900.

534
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:16,340
Section 70, we'll do that. I would also remind you that with regards to flooding deals with the hydrology and with drainage, where we will have to have a comprehensive study submitted to your staff and to you about drainage. So that respectfully is premature.

535
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,460
But I believe there is ample information to make a decision on what is germane tonight and that is the concept plan.

536
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:40,160
How have we configured these 28 lots?

537
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:51,720
We have configured them in a manner that we believe is consistent with our pud zoning and consistent with your unified development code and the applicable provisions of each.

538
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:57,980
You know, it was suggested that we just want what we want and it's our way of the highway.

539
01:00:57,980 --> 01:01:06,820
Well, I disagree with that, but we do want what the PUD plan allows and what your UDC permits.

540
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:10,140
We do want that, and I'm here to ask you for that tonight.

541
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,220
I think we're entitled to that.

542
01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:14,540
I know that people don't like our plan.

543
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:19,920
I know that people don't want it approved, but I don't believe that's the question.

544
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:36,920
I think the question tonight is for concept plan approval, are we consistent with our zoning and do we meet the Unified Development Code and myself and my co-council, Mr. Easily, believe that we do and so we respectfully ask for your approval this evening.

545
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:38,340
Thank you.

546
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:48,020
Hi, William Fulpa, speaking in opposition to the rebuttal.

547
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,420
So I guess I want to speak to just a couple of things, features on the plan, just where

548
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:53,860
I see it.

549
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:58,200
We see maybe there's softer things here that violation with the comprehensive plan and

550
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,760
consistent with the future land use map.

551
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,440
If you notice in the concept, there's a detention pond located in what is currently forced

552
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,140
to green space.

553
01:02:06,460 --> 01:02:10,060
While we have many beautiful lakes and retention ponds throughout the community's green spaces,

554
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:15,560
as a detention pond, which is a dry pond, this would not only be an anomaly in our subdivision,

555
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:19,400
but it would be unwanted standout on full display at the entrance of the subdivision.

556
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:25,580
Additionally, it has been a promise to all homeowners and prospective ones that green space will remain undeveloped.

557
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:32,080
See, I have an image, and you guys have a folder, and that's been on the website since 1990, whatever it is,

558
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:36,600
or one of we picked it up about green space and conservation are being preserved.

559
01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:42,840
Also another feature of the golf cart walking path, not a promise of many of the well.

560
01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:47,980
As it stands today, it wants to arguably the most scenic and wildlife abundant part of the community.

561
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:56,120
It's been part of the comprehensive plan for over 20 years, and with it meandering through the rolling hills and all the tall shade providing trees, it's enjoyed by all.

562
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:06,580
Reconstructing this path to either merge with a street that runs along home fronts, which they've moved that out of the plan now they're going to put it behind, which is going to be wedged between fences and a detention pond.

563
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:07,900
that would be a travesty.

564
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,380
Furthermore, should the Gulf Card be in a, it should be in that location.

565
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:19,240
It grandly exposes the neighborhood to non-resident traffic, as it would be accessible without the need to enter the front gate, causing safety concerns.

566
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:26,920
Also, they talked about flooding, they talked about the, having one in-gress, one in-gress.

567
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:37,600
And the flooding concerns here, guys, is we've had two floods where, and continue the

568
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:37,800
valve.

569
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:38,960
So this is the lowest point.

570
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:42,080
So I'd say the entire subdivision is in a critical drainage area.

571
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,940
Furthermore, parcel of one is located in one of the lowest points in the subdivision.

572
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:53,380
With it being adjacent to our only true drainage waterway, B2Co Creek, it's really border

573
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:55,540
and reckless and development.

574
01:03:56,260 --> 01:04:02,260
And the other comment to Mr. Ronan saying, hey, they just want what's permitted by the UDC?

575
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:08,300
Well, I think it's clear the UDC permits that the permission is you need more than one ingress in egress.

576
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:13,020
That's what the current, what it permits, and I'd say right now this plan does not follow that.

577
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:16,920
So, I said I'll remain.

578
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,160
I mean, thank you.

579
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:20,460
Any further comment?

580
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:21,500
You have 32 seconds?

581
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,860
No, come on up.

582
01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:29,950
Hi, my name is Russell Gorgio.

583
01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:33,050
I live at 1320 Audiment Parkway.

584
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:36,530
And one thing I really asked the council and the commission

585
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:41,350
to really view the area that this development is in.

586
01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:44,310
Like Phil said, he's right by the creek.

587
01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:48,890
During our floods, that area was under four foot of water.

588
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:58,490
Okay, now this previous tropical storm that we got, that flooded Scydele, had that bull's eye landed over us?

589
01:04:59,710 --> 01:05:01,810
We barely missed flooding this time.

590
01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:02,810
Right at time.

591
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:04,050
Thank you, sir.

592
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:07,250
That is the end of public comments.

593
01:05:07,630 --> 01:05:08,730
We'll bring it back to the commission.

594
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:12,050
Mr. Morone, I'm going to start if you could come up to the microphone, please.

595
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:19,200
Yes, sir.

596
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:23,700
Mr. Morone, you made a comment and I'm giving you a chance to alter your comment.

597
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:34,500
If you said that in your first statement that the location of these 29 homes is in the exact

598
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:42,200
footprint of the original PUD design, I got a planning department to give me a copy of the PUD design

599
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,960
and it is not in that location, you've moved it far more to the side.

600
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,400
Please do not do that.

601
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,880
You may have misunderstood or I may have misspoke.

602
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:59,000
I said it's in the precise location as in the 2025 amended put plan.

603
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:05,100
So that's, you got a zoning change, and then I was part of the commission at that time.

604
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,260
So you got a zoning change, and I don't see that part of that put plan.

605
01:06:09,260 --> 01:06:11,960
We moved it all the way up behind those houses.

606
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:19,640
Well, as part of our mandate to preserve the health safety and welfare of the community.

607
01:06:20,260 --> 01:06:23,080
I would like to see that green space replaced.

608
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:30,740
So you can pull it back down into the footprint of where that original commercial was and

609
01:06:30,740 --> 01:06:33,200
place it there and preserve that green space.

610
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:36,060
That may respond to this.

611
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,400
So a few points one, that would require an amendment to the put.

612
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:47,420
But to suggest that nobody knew that it was being moved to the north.

613
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:56,720
If you look at the 2025 plan, the staff comments themselves specifically say that one of the reasons for the request is

614
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:04,940
moving the parcel further to the north for the following reasons.

615
01:07:05,260 --> 01:07:11,220
And then on the PUD plan, it shows the old area and then it shows the new area.

616
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
So it shows both of them on the plan.

617
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,540
also with regards to the reduction of green space.

618
01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:23,100
Remember that in the 2025 plan, the green space actually went up.

619
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:32,980
The commercial area was larger than the residential area that we're now seeking concept plan for.

620
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:39,880
So ultimately, you have more green space than you did prior to the 2025 amendment, if that makes sense.

621
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:51,650
It's audience, please, I'm telling you for the last time, please hold your comments and everything we're in the back and forth here.

622
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:55,710
If you continue to outburst, I'm going to ask the officer to remove you.

623
01:07:58,050 --> 01:07:59,330
Paul, I hear what you're saying.

624
01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:05,230
Staff was the location of this moved in the 2025 public amendment.

625
01:08:06,590 --> 01:08:11,870
the location of the when this was changed from highway commercial

626
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:16,450
into residential did that change the location of this of this area as well?

627
01:08:17,170 --> 01:08:17,570
Yes.

628
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:18,470
Okay.

629
01:08:18,850 --> 01:08:25,190
As the commission can we request and modify the green space that's around this?

630
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:32,490
In the area that was requested for the major minutes of flood.

631
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:33,230
Okay.

632
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:43,590
So it seems like even though that that was moved as part of our authority, we can adjust that within the major,

633
01:08:43,750 --> 01:08:50,650
major amendment to the putt and I'm asking that you adjust this to be within the confines of the original

634
01:08:50,650 --> 01:08:55,530
commercial development and move that down below the cart path and restore that green space.

635
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:58,650
Mr. Chairman, I can't do that.

636
01:08:58,910 --> 01:09:02,670
All right, so I believe the, I made some notes.

637
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:12,150
The request in 2025 was 8.9 acres of commercial and other uses, not residential.

638
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:15,070
And these are just my notes.

639
01:09:15,250 --> 01:09:17,890
I'll have to start from front of me, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

640
01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:22,930
8.9 acres of total area that was for a major room into the pud, 7.16 acres

641
01:09:22,930 --> 01:09:27,790
within become residential, and 1.8 acres of increased green space.

642
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:34,470
So within that 8.9 acres, we can talk about those 8.9 acres that was in the measurement of the putt.

643
01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:42,170
I just don't know if it's hot in my head if the area you're speaking of is within that point 8.9 acres that was for the measurement of the putt.

644
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:45,410
So I might just have to discuss a little bit more if we aren't exactly where we are.

645
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:50,950
Correct. So we just need to look at the plan and see if there were that green space can be reallocated in there.

646
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:52,750
Sure, absolutely, yes.

647
01:09:53,870 --> 01:10:04,950
Also, Mr. Morone, when you guys requested a major amendment to the PUD, does that not force you to comply with the current version of the UDC?

648
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:07,130
I do not believe it does.

649
01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:19,930
And the reason that is is because for one, even though there's an amendment to the PUD, that PUD amendment specifically showed and identified one ingress and egress.

650
01:10:20,690 --> 01:10:29,230
In addition, I would submit that even if that provision of two points of ingress and

651
01:10:29,230 --> 01:10:36,610
egress applied, it applies to parcels or new developments of over 100 acres.

652
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:39,990
We're only talking about 20, excuse me, 100 lots, pardon me.

653
01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:45,110
We're only talking about 28 lots that would be subject to the new amendment.

654
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:51,870
In addition, we just change the use and we shrunk the use down as a part of that amendment.

655
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:56,610
So we do not believe that that provision of the code applies.

656
01:10:57,350 --> 01:11:01,170
And just your comments to the other subdivisions that you mentioned, like River Chase.

657
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:06,150
None of them have come before us to ask for a major amendment to their putt.

658
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,510
That's why they're not following under the UDC guidelines.

659
01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:12,990
So that's just an comment to your previous comment.

660
01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:17,170
That's why they're not being forced to comply with those restrictions as well.

661
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:25,670
Staff, when does the major amendment to the PUD, does that bring all the new UDC requirements along with it?

662
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:32,570
So the major amendment to the PUD did trigger certain UDC requirements of which was in the staff report.

663
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:40,350
If they would have developed with commercial properties, or this was identified as residential to begin with,

664
01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:48,890
that a major omit to the putt was not required, and they were coming in firm of this commission for concept plan, then they would just simply move forward with their putt that was approved.

665
01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:55,470
However, a major omit to the putt does trigger certain requirements that ingress, egress being one of them.

666
01:11:55,930 --> 01:11:59,210
In addition, that's one aspect of the commission's authority.

667
01:11:59,390 --> 01:12:07,690
The second aspect is since the old land development code in 2005, 2006 carried over to this unified development code.

668
01:12:07,690 --> 01:12:19,050
It's section 800-3.3-E, and I'm going to read it, the Commission reserves the right to mandate additional reasonable requirements for subdivisions, which are related to but not limited to the subdivisions, recreational areas,

669
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:24,730
general street design, construction specifications, buffer zones, and screening, and lot designs and configurations.

670
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:29,930
So the Commission reserves at a 40, at any point in time, at a concept plan.

671
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:32,610
A lot of designs and configurations.

672
01:12:34,690 --> 01:12:36,230
May I respond, Mr. Chairman?

673
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:42,090
Sure, I would respectfully suggest that it would not be reasonable.

674
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:49,490
I think in Mr. Liner's comments, the reserve powers under the Earl Code was that you had reasonable ability to do that.

675
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:59,110
I would suggest that the last 28 lots of a 978 lot subdivision that has been in place in under construction for almost 30 years,

676
01:12:59,110 --> 01:13:07,990
where there is no tangible physical way to get access to another road beyond the emergency exit that we have now,

677
01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:12,410
it would be unreasonable to require that at this stage, would be our position on that.

678
01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:14,290
Okay, I understand your position.

679
01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:22,670
It's my position and I'll defer to the rest of the commission that preserving this green space and

680
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:29,530
Reallocating the way the lots are designed to go and fit in this area might require another new plan because that's what

681
01:13:29,530 --> 01:13:48,870
I would like to see is some reallocation of that green space more closely related to how it was on the original, not necessarily exactly because I know that we've had some changes, but I'd like to see that reallocated to some of the green space that was behind the homes existing there possibly preserving that guard cart path if possible.

682
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:52,710
I'm going to let the rest of my commissioners speak on this.

683
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:59,210
May I ask a question to be related to that, and I know I'm certainly not going to go beyond that.

684
01:14:00,530 --> 01:14:05,390
So that I better understand what you're saying, would not that require an amendment to the PUD?

685
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:06,510
I don't think so.

686
01:14:06,610 --> 01:14:09,250
And maybe I'm confused by that.

687
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:09,750
That's okay.

688
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:10,630
And that's where we're asking.

689
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:13,910
So I was going to back look at the staff report from,

690
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,180
what was this one?

691
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:20,000
Yeah.

692
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,040
Okay,

693
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:32,680
this is April 1st, 2025 staff report, and it says size 7.16 acres, and again, y'all remind me of this.

694
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:40,600
I had a note about 8.9 acres, I'm not sure where that 8.9 acres came from, but the 7th.

695
01:14:41,220 --> 01:14:52,420
You're right, the original parcel, the commercial parcel was 8.9 acres, then the new residential parcel is the 7.16 acres.

696
01:14:52,420 --> 01:14:53,340
that you're referring to.

697
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:54,660
And then the 128 or difference.

698
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:03,600
Was green, just remaining green space, yes.

699
01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:06,740
So I guess the question is, is the 7

700
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,720
.16 acres that were in play for the mayor,

701
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,460
a major amendment to the putt, that can be in play for the discussion.

702
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,060
That makes sense, that better understand. Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

703
01:15:24,220 --> 01:15:24,920
Thank you, Ross, for that.

704
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:26,400
Thank you, thank you.

705
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,920
Commissioner, I know you're going to take a little while.

706
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,320
I'll commit.

707
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:31,980
Commissioner Truxillo.

708
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,560
Paul, don't sit down.

709
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:39,600
Yes, sir.

710
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,260
About a second exit.

711
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,380
How many times did the Unite talk in this chamber

712
01:15:45,380 --> 01:15:46,280
about the exit?

713
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:46,780
Yeah.

714
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:49,780
No, you're absolutely right, Mr. Truxillo.

715
01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:51,300
There were.

716
01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:52,860
And how many years?

717
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,100
Numerous times that you brought up the issue,

718
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,380
I couldn't count.

719
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,500
I would say more than five and less than 10,

720
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:05,080
And if I had to just put a number on it, so that is absolutely correct.

721
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:10,660
The comment I made before was that that comment did not appear in the staff comments.

722
01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:19,060
Certainly, I acknowledge and respect and agree with you that you have brought that up during these public meetings on numerous occasions.

723
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:19,580
Yes, sir.

724
01:16:20,140 --> 01:16:21,720
Okay, let's talk about the court path.

725
01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:22,460
Yes.

726
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:28,520
You said that it's not an amenity, it's been an amenity for 20 years.

727
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:31,720
going through the woods and the hills and everything.

728
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:36,880
Now, many people use and now you're going to take that away and put it closer to the

729
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:45,060
street which impacts safety, impacts welfare, impacts quality of life, and then bring it

730
01:16:45,060 --> 01:16:45,660
to the houses.

731
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:53,040
So how can you take an amenity that's been there for 20 years that hundreds and hundreds of

732
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,200
people use daily?

733
01:16:57,020 --> 01:16:58,720
That foot play has to move.

734
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,140
So I said it's not a required amenity under the putt.

735
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:12,860
I didn't say that if I suggested that it was not an amenity, it was not being used, that was not my intent, but it was not a required amenity under the putt.

736
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:19,860
Also, where we are tying into next to the street is with the existing path.

737
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:30,280
So, as far as health safety and welfare, we're not bringing it necessarily any closer to the, we're making the same tie in where it goes right now.

738
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:33,020
Okay. Yes.

739
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:33,820
Hold on.

740
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:34,700
Hold on.

741
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,200
Yes, sir.

742
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:42,080
But bring it to the houses.

743
01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:46,050
How close can we be to the house?

744
01:17:46,990 --> 01:17:59,910
So if you look on the plan, it would go south of the existing lots, and then it would go between the lots and the retention pond.

745
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:04,850
I can't tell you exactly how far there is.

746
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:06,950
Is it 10 feet from houses?

747
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:12,370
I would say it's probably within 10 feet of the back property line of the houses.

748
01:18:14,150 --> 01:18:15,250
That can be an issue.

749
01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:21,410
And you said that the court is not an amenity,

750
01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:25,750
but the developers sold it as an amenity to all of us,

751
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:28,570
to every person out there.

752
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:33,410
So if the developer says, this is an amenity,

753
01:18:33,570 --> 01:18:34,430
then this is an amenity.

754
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:36,710
I don't care what the poet says.

755
01:18:36,970 --> 01:18:38,090
The poet's contract, right?

756
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:38,990
The poet's a contract.

757
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:39,930
I understand.

758
01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:40,370
Yes, sir.

759
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:46,210
When you change the contract, on the part you change the contract, correct?

760
01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:47,290
Yes.

761
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:54,090
Okay, so every time we do this, we change the requirements.

762
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,640
Yes, I would agree when the putt is formally amended, it changes.

763
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,760
Absolutely, so the UDC does come in play.

764
01:19:08,140 --> 01:19:09,880
I would respectfully disagree with the House.

765
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,620
Is it applies to that provision?

766
01:19:11,980 --> 01:19:13,700
Well, now you say one thing, there's another thing.

767
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:15,260
No, no.

768
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,600
I agreed that an amendment to the PUD changes the PUD and

769
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,560
changes the parameters of that PUD.

770
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:23,700
That I agree with.

771
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:28,400
I do not agree that amending the PUD in 2025

772
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,540
resulted in the applicable provision of the UDC applying to

773
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:35,320
Bidico Creek.

774
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:37,180
I do not believe that's the case.

775
01:19:37,180 --> 01:19:38,880
Well, I do. Okay. Thank you.

776
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:39,180
Yes.

777
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:45,540
Paul, I'm going to ask one more question before I hand it over to my other commissioner.

778
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,980
So you've done this numerous times, not this particular, although this particular case is numerous times.

779
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,680
You've been before us with numerous different cases.

780
01:19:55,320 --> 01:20:01,860
Does staff enumerate all of the UDC changes in those cases when you make a major amendment to the PUD?

781
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:02,620
They do not.

782
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,960
But you're expected to comply with all of them though, correct?

783
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,740
In fact, those that apply, yes, I would agree with that.

784
01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:19,580
Staff, is there any case where there's particular sections of the UDC that would not apply to, that would not be brought forward when a major amendment?

785
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,680
He's saying that he's all that applies, or any case where code does not apply?

786
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:31,940
So we wouldn't necessarily research and analyze that during the major amendments of the putt.

787
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,420
That's when we start at concept.

788
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:38,400
What codes apply to what development patterns for a major room to the put is just like a zoning change.

789
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,460
We're typically looking at land use and does it apply and conform to the general area?

790
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,360
So this is where we get into codes, engineering, design, things like that.

791
01:20:48,020 --> 01:20:55,500
So is there any time that you would exempt a subdivision from parts of the code?

792
01:20:56,540 --> 01:21:02,780
If you were to exempt from parts of the code, that would be explicitly enumerated, would it not?

793
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:11,760
Well, again, we're talking, we're talking about a major room into the putt and identifying every single potential code change there, so the realm absolutely not.

794
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:23,000
Mr. Morone, Mr. Morone, in the major amendment to the putt that was executed in 2025, did you exempt yourself from any, did you get a waiver for any provisions of the code?

795
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:30,000
We did not ask for any waivers, but we also did not modify our ingress an egress on that put plan that was approved.

796
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:42,860
I would also point out that the concept plan application in 2025 likewise did not contain the same comment that the staff comments have this time regarding that provision.

797
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,160
Thank you very much.

798
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:44,800
Thank you.

799
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,100
Commissioner Martino.

800
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,720
Don't go away.

801
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,060
That's true.

802
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,140
Most of them on are comments.

803
01:21:52,900 --> 01:21:53,060
Okay.

804
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,200
So with major amendments to a pod in this particular case,

805
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,200
well, this is a question.

806
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:00,900
How many have taken place?

807
01:22:01,420 --> 01:22:04,360
How many major amendments since 1997?

808
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,860
More than five, less than 10?

809
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:07,940
I don't know.

810
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,120
Yes, I would say that's pretty close.

811
01:22:10,420 --> 01:22:10,680
Yes, sir.

812
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:20,880
So with this particular case when since 1997, this is not accurate, but it may be close.

813
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:27,020
100 homes and then 10 years later was 300 homes and then maybe 500.

814
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:28,100
Now we're at 900.

815
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:39,140
So at no point in those five to 10 was an additional ingress or egress specifically included or requested or discussed.

816
01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:45,760
We're at least not by the developer and correct I would say yes, but I wouldn't say that they weren't discussed.

817
01:22:46,380 --> 01:23:01,880
They weren't discussed I would say they were just that there were occasions during and I'm not sure if it was doing a major amendment to a put or during some of the planning phases, but they were they were discussed primarily at the behest of Mr. Truxilla.

818
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:02,360
Right.

819
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:10,920
So, to me, that's something we, as a commission, staff can also give us guidance on, but as a developer,

820
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:21,980
the first person making the first entity making this amendment and request, it should be something that is considered more.

821
01:23:21,980 --> 01:23:30,240
regardless if Chafonkto and River Chase, Brady Island, there are many of different scales.

822
01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:36,560
This is one of the largest scales of all of these examples as far as number of homes.

823
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:46,600
Without the many discussions of flooding, fire, whatever other emergency for access to someone in need.

824
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:53,420
If it is the middle of a day on a work day, when there's no emergency potentially happening,

825
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,120
except for one particular home in the very back of this neighborhood,

826
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,880
you're talking life-saving minutes for an ambulance to reach that home,

827
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,580
but add the additional flooding and whatnot.

828
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,580
So you see what I'm saying?

829
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,760
It is something that's very important, and if there is an option,

830
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:17,840
It would be who you as the representative to the developer to have that discussion before

831
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:20,680
going to staff and before coming to the commission.

832
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:33,520
That being said, this is a complete and compatible plan and that's our job is to first check

833
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,180
that box.

834
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:41,140
I had a lot of comments on the last three months and more since last year.

835
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:45,260
Is this something that protects the welfare, the safety?

836
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,500
Is it compatible with the surrounding area?

837
01:24:49,060 --> 01:24:53,980
We're talking a 2% increase to the overall current density.

838
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:00,740
To me, all of those answers are, well, yes, it is compatible and it's not a popular opinion.

839
01:25:00,740 --> 01:25:13,480
And however, with things like a agreed upon amenity, the location of that amenity to the

840
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:19,940
road, I do believe that brings into question safety of those passerbyes.

841
01:25:20,380 --> 01:25:26,380
To develop the 28 homes itself, I don't believe, and from what I've heard, I don't believe,

842
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:33,780
I believe in my opinion are a detriment to this current development.

843
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,280
Those are all the things I'm going to talk on, so I'm not making a motion.

844
01:25:44,420 --> 01:25:46,980
Okay, thank you for being patient, commission and rebarra.

845
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,480
You can have a seat.

846
01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:49,680
Okay, thank you.

847
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,480
Okay, thank you.

848
01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:50,900
Thank you.

849
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:57,460
I am going to comment on your comments, Paul.

850
01:25:57,460 --> 01:26:07,800
So one of the things you said is that this is 28 lots, could be 35 either way if we're splitting hairs looking at it like that, it's not that much, right?

851
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:24,120
And I do agree, 28 additional homes is not a significant number, but the number of homes standing alone is not the reason that we have the amount of people and residents from this subdivision that we have here tonight.

852
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:39,240
What concerns me is that there are over a hundred people who are showing up month after month after month, year after year, over what, 500 signatures at this point are closed to 500 signatures from residents of this subdivision opposing this request.

853
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:43,760
We cannot simply dismiss that just because it's 28 lots.

854
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:52,080
I do believe that had there been better communication and had the amenities that were promised to the residents of this subdivision kept.

855
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,960
In fact, we would be having a very different discussion as a commission tonight.

856
01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:10,380
So, I'm going to dismiss the 28 as Laniap, it is not a big enough number for me to care about in terms of the impact.

857
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:20,040
One of the other things you mentioned, you keep bringing up 1997 and PUDs and the fact that this was approved in 1997.

858
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:26,840
If somebody had had a crystal ball in 1997 and saw what happened in 2005,

859
01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:30,420
our UDC probably wouldn't be written rewritten.

860
01:27:30,620 --> 01:27:34,120
The landscape of this parish would not have changed tremendously, and

861
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:39,020
there would be about 1,400 people in Louisiana still alive from Hurricane Katrina.

862
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:47,840
So I think that stating that because it was approved in 1997, and

863
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,380
We're only adding 28 here and a few there.

864
01:27:51,000 --> 01:28:16,920
I don't think that's a very fair argument, because the landscape of this pairs has changed so tremendously in those 30 years that every time we make a major amendment to this pod, we're just adding a little bit more, adding a little bit more, and that doesn't make it right that we have 900 homes in the back of this subdivision is flooding and I'm looking at photos of homes with water in them, and we have one means of egress in and out of that subdivision.

865
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:24,540
I believe that had somebody known what would happen in 2005, in 2010, 2016, there probably

866
01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:27,340
would have been a complete redesign to this pod.

867
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:33,000
You stated that drainages are concerned tonight because this is a concept plan.

868
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:38,300
However, our Unified Development Code actually states that while we don't have to have the

869
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:44,940
particular engineering details 100% ironed out for concept plan, we have to have enough information

870
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:47,420
that we're comfortable passing the concept plan.

871
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,400
So the drainage does actually matter at this stage.

872
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:58,000
You've also said we want what the PUD and the UDC commit permits.

873
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:05,540
Section 200, 3.12H, major amendments to PUD go to the Planning and Zoning Commission.

874
01:29:05,860 --> 01:29:10,000
The commission itself has the authority to review and approve major changes.

875
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:17,820
This is because, incrementally, 28 lots, 15 lots, 30 lots over time.

876
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:20,100
Somebody has to stay on top of that.

877
01:29:20,340 --> 01:29:24,220
And yes, we cannot keep looking back at what was approved in 1997.

878
01:29:24,220 --> 01:29:28,300
We have to review it under what we are actively dealing with in this area today.

879
01:29:30,810 --> 01:29:38,800
Now, to the staff comments, I am curious as to why the developer is so

880
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:46,720
So against asking for a waiver to permit access from the front lot line of 1062.

881
01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:54,680
That side yard location, exactly what staff says, satisfies a minimum requirement.

882
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:20,320
But it is a terrible spot for it. Now, there is space. There's frontage. I'm curious as to why we're trying to force it off of the, well, I'm going to call it north on this, on this map, but the northern portion of Parkville Lane, rather than off of the other portion, the side, the 66.8 foot.

883
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:28,440
I do have serious concerns with some of the other staff comments. Get back to that page.

884
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:28,680
the

885
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:42,220
existing drainage feature being relocated, not in and of itself.

886
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,660
My concern is that everything is being rerouted through a 20-foot right-of-way

887
01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:49,640
between lots 10, 55 and 10, 56.

888
01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:56,060
That is a huge portion of drainage that comes from a major creek and floodplain

889
01:30:56,060 --> 01:31:00,040
in that area that we're pushing through a 20-foot right-of-way between two homes.

890
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,340
So I have a serious concern with that.

891
01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:06,020
But the drainage feature,

892
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:21,580
there are just a lot of questions from staff on the, on the, in this cons, I'm sorry, regarding this concept plan.

893
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,480
And I'm not going to say that it's incomplete.

894
01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:34,080
We can sit here and listen and talk about the concerns that they had, but

895
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,840
But it doesn't settle all of the issues.

896
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:44,300
Ingress and egress still remains a major, major concern.

897
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:50,200
And again, we can't keep saying, well, 1997 it was okay, last year it was okay.

898
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:52,060
That's always been an issue.

899
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,800
Which is why we have the opportunity to sit here in 2026 and

900
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,820
reevaluate and say, how can we make this better?

901
01:31:59,540 --> 01:32:00,660
How can we fix this now?

902
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,460
We didn't know in 1997 what was going to happen.

903
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:06,020
and we didn't know that bootlegger road,

904
01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:08,340
beatico boulevard, all of this was gonna pop up

905
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:10,640
and be as big as it is, but we have an opportunity now

906
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,080
to fix some of this, so I would like to do that.

907
01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:16,460
I would actually make a motion to approve,

908
01:32:16,740 --> 01:32:20,200
but I would like to put some stipulations on this plan

909
01:32:20,660 --> 01:32:23,180
for approval, and I'm gonna need Diana's help

910
01:32:23,180 --> 01:32:24,900
with motions on that if she's willing.

911
01:32:27,060 --> 01:32:30,760
So I would like to approve, subject to

912
01:32:30,760 --> 01:33:00,740
If the developer is willing, number one, that the applicant can't seek the waiver to permit access from the front of lot line 10 for lot 1062, get rid of the side yard drive, I'm sorry, get rid of the other driveway location, I would also like to, I'm going to stick to the ingress and egress, I would approve subject to that stipulation being met.

913
01:33:00,740 --> 01:33:00,800
That.

914
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:12,920
If I think that we're going to get very confusing with all the stipulations, would it be prudent to allow the developer to take our comments, post-own this, and

915
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:20,340
help them redesign the plan to the specifications versus pushing it forward under an approval basis?

916
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,060
Mr. Chairman, if you don't mind.

917
01:33:26,740 --> 01:33:29,020
No, of course not, Mr. Liner, you're always welcome.

918
01:33:29,020 --> 01:33:38,140
So if there are going to be stipulations on or an approval, that staff has to review based on not seeing it tonight.

919
01:33:39,220 --> 01:33:47,980
And unless it's very specific criteria that we are going to be able to have and review against a redesigned plan.

920
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,740
And it doesn't come back to the Commission for Review, I'm not comfortable with that.

921
01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:56,960
Okay, then I will defer to Mr. Liner.

922
01:33:57,660 --> 01:34:01,140
I'm sorry, I will respect Mr. Liner and our staff.

923
01:34:01,420 --> 01:34:05,000
I don't want to put them in a position that is going to-

924
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,420
So I would suggest that you state your stipulations for the record.

925
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:09,260
Okay, so-

926
01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:17,960
And they'll possibly make a motion to allow the developer to incorporate those into the plan, and that gets staff time to review it.

927
01:34:18,980 --> 01:34:23,020
And then that gives time for the public and the residents to review as well.

928
01:34:23,020 --> 01:34:26,580
So, also, if you don't want Mr. Chairman, is anyone left in the queue?

929
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,020
No, okay.

930
01:34:29,260 --> 01:34:32,720
Well, yeah, I mean, I have other commissioners, is that what you were asking?

931
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:33,340
Correct, yes.

932
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:34,780
Yeah, I have other commissioners, yes.

933
01:34:36,940 --> 01:34:37,580
I want to make it.

934
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,920
No, I will rescind my motion and I'll wait for the other commissioners to make their comments,

935
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,140
in case there's anything else, any other stipulations.

936
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:48,980
I'm going to sit here and make a list so that we can communicate those.

937
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,000
Okay, Commissioner Blancher, what did I do?

938
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,040
to,

939
01:34:57,210 --> 01:35:04,030
it appears to me that what you're asking for is either to be grandfathered in, which

940
01:35:04,030 --> 01:35:11,250
I don't particularly agree with, or that the application of the dual ingress and

941
01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:16,070
egress only apply to 100 home developments.

942
01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:21,230
And I think in either case, you're sort of ignoring the 900 that are already there.

943
01:35:21,230 --> 01:35:28,290
And so I really have a difficult time squaring that, and for that reason, I think that the ingress

944
01:35:28,290 --> 01:35:33,230
eagerness issue remains a problem throughout the commission, that's my comment.

945
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:36,510
Thank you, Commissioner Blanchard, Commissioner Truxillo.

946
01:35:37,070 --> 01:35:45,450
Yeah, I just want to make a comment also that the two entries in exit, this commission saw the need

947
01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:48,810
We need a subdivision over 100 to require that.

948
01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:58,890
And I had looked two years ago, Ross, two years ago, so this commission had foresight to understand the issues with the biggest subdivisions.

949
01:35:59,730 --> 01:36:01,830
I just want to make sure everybody was aware of that, that's all.

950
01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:02,490
Thank you.

951
01:36:03,390 --> 01:36:04,170
Commissioner Seager.

952
01:36:06,170 --> 01:36:13,550
Mr. Chairman, I'll request permission to speak after the vote is taken to address the audience.

953
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:16,130
Okay, Commissioner Martino.

954
01:36:21,550 --> 01:36:22,560
Commissioner Robair,

955
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:32,950
are you able to articulate better than most, many of these comments that

956
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:39,070
we can potentially make a motion and have the developer consider?

957
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:43,550
And is that something that we'll be doing?

958
01:36:44,230 --> 01:36:46,290
I guess I'm making the, I have a question.

959
01:36:46,290 --> 01:36:47,130
I mean,

960
01:36:51,660 --> 01:36:58,900
for second pass, yes, but Diana has just informed me that because the stipulations

961
01:36:58,900 --> 01:37:03,480
that I want to make are already within the staff comments, I don't have to itemize them.

962
01:37:03,820 --> 01:37:09,160
However, Commissioner Chairman Gaines' stipulation would need to be added as a fourth.

963
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,000
So we would have to itemize at that point.

964
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:17,380
And I'm more than happy to do that once everyone's finished commenting.

965
01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:35,900
So without going into many of the discussions, my own specifically, I'll just say that, my own comments with all that being said, what's in front of us is not something I agree with Mr.

966
01:37:36,300 --> 01:37:42,020
Liner that we would need to see some updates here for several different aspects.

967
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:44,860
So I'll make a motion to deny this concept plan.

968
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:36,270
I am.

969
01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:38,580
What?

970
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:41,750
You made a motion to deny it.

971
01:38:41,890 --> 01:38:42,070
Sorry.

972
01:38:42,210 --> 01:38:43,270
I got distracted by the evening.

973
01:38:44,490 --> 01:38:45,050
Yeah.

974
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:50,870
I see some discussion, obviously, with legal.

975
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:58,850
It's my understanding that that is a more forward way to have some of these addressed.

976
01:38:59,370 --> 01:39:02,790
And if I'm incorrect, please let me know.

977
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:14,310
So just what I was discussing with legal, if we just straight deny it, then we can't request any changes to the current concept plan.

978
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:26,070
So they already have the zoning in place, so what we're undertaking right now is whether the concept plan as itself can move forward or not.

979
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:36,150
And if we want to, if we want to suggest changes to them, we can suggest those changes under our authority, and then give them the opportunity to make those changes.

980
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:45,170
If they did not make those changes, they came back with a plan that did not include those changes, then we would potentially deny it.

981
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:46,870
Mr. Liner.

982
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:50,690
I'd like to remind the commission of their authority.

983
01:39:50,690 --> 01:39:54,330
So at zoning commission, you are a recommending body to the council.

984
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:59,550
The council is a legislative body they create and adopt ordinances, that's what zoning is.

985
01:40:00,170 --> 01:40:03,510
At the planning commission level, you have the authority.

986
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:05,070
The commission has the authority.

987
01:40:05,450 --> 01:40:12,010
They are the deciding body and only under appeal to the council would it go to the council.

988
01:40:12,350 --> 01:40:18,550
So right now, the authoritative body is the commission able to make these stipulations as I've read out previously.

989
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:25,490
and if it's just denied, then it goes under appeal to the council with no direction

990
01:40:25,490 --> 01:40:26,190
from the commission.

991
01:40:26,430 --> 01:40:28,850
The commission at planning is the authority.

992
01:40:29,890 --> 01:40:30,690
Is that clear?

993
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:32,550
Yes.

994
01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:35,650
Hold up.

995
01:40:36,250 --> 01:40:36,790
Sorry.

996
01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:37,570
I was.

997
01:40:37,630 --> 01:40:38,450
You'll probably be as direct.

998
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:39,070
Okay.

999
01:40:39,390 --> 01:40:40,090
Commissioner Narciss.

1000
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:44,470
I heard when the I.B.F. Post-Pomey came up.

1001
01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:46,650
I heard a loud groan from the audience.

1002
01:40:46,650 --> 01:40:58,550
As stated here, the idea of postponement would give us that check before it goes to council.

1003
01:40:59,070 --> 01:41:09,630
Because if we deny it, it goes directly to council, goes to appeal on council, and they would have the final authority without any other changes necessary.

1004
01:41:10,170 --> 01:41:15,750
It would be a crapshoot, it would be an understanding of whether they want the current plan to not.

1005
01:41:16,330 --> 01:41:21,470
If we postpone it, we have an opportunity to put our request in.

1006
01:41:22,450 --> 01:41:29,170
They have the opportunity to meet the request, because one of the requests is to move it further north away from the car path.

1007
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:35,510
At a second entrance, those things like that, all of that goes away if we straight deny it.

1008
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:49,110
And we would like an opportunity to compromise and get to a better fit for the community and for the developers instead of a straight mile, send them into council, and then nobody gets anything.

1009
01:41:50,650 --> 01:41:54,530
That's where we're looking at and we want the best plan possible for everybody involved.

1010
01:42:00,420 --> 01:42:06,820
So I think if Commissioner Robair has or stipulations lined up, maybe?

1011
01:42:06,820 --> 01:42:14,790
I have a question for Ross, my stipulations are literally just the general staff comments.

1012
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:21,450
I would like to hold the concept plan to every one of these items on this list.

1013
01:42:23,230 --> 01:42:30,450
Are you comfortable moving forward with, I need you to look at the list of comments, please.

1014
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:38,630
So, one is that the applicant seeks a waiver to permit access from the front lot line for 10-6,

1015
01:42:38,690 --> 01:42:39,510
lot 10-62.

1016
01:42:40,090 --> 01:42:44,410
Number two, the second means of ingress and egress.

1017
01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:50,280
Three, the existing drainage feature.

1018
01:43:03,980 --> 01:43:05,500
So I would make-

1019
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:06,940
Please, Ted.

1020
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:09,600
Just ma'am, just making sure we're aware.

1021
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:13,900
I mean, technically it could be done at the next phase, but number one is staff recommending

1022
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:17,460
a waiver be requested and then ultimately approved.

1023
01:43:17,740 --> 01:43:21,260
If you are going to make a motion of approval or postponement or denial,

1024
01:43:21,660 --> 01:43:25,520
subject to any staff comments, I just want to be very clear that very similar to

1025
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:29,540
like your previous cases this earlier in this meeting, that were minor subdivisions,

1026
01:43:29,980 --> 01:43:32,040
subject to staff comments, and approval with a waiver.

1027
01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:38,400
That waiver should be granted now for number one outlining the change in the location of that driveway.

1028
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,300
I just want to make sure that was clear on that one.

1029
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:46,160
I don't want to say subject to staff comments will comment number one recommends a waiver so the main reason

1030
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:52,000
I'm asking is because I want to make sure that with engineering not having drawings drainage for all of the things that are

1031
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:57,180
included in this comments that you guys are comfortable if I choose to make a motion to approve this based on those

1032
01:43:57,180 --> 01:44:04,740
comments without having that information the technical and engineering data I'll defer to Ted on engineering for planning I'm pretty comfortable

1033
01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:14,000
except for Chairman Gaines mentioning the moving, you know, of maybe green space and adjusting.

1034
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:19,460
So that one is more subjective than just what's here on a staff report that we can see in black and white.

1035
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:40,740
Okay.

1036
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:41,660
Look, I get it.

1037
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:47,480
You know, everybody's here tonight, and you know, we don't want to postpone it, we don't want to deny it, we don't approve it.

1038
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,520
You know, it's just, it is what it is, it's a big development, something will be developed there.

1039
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,180
They have the right to develop residential.

1040
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:54,980
This is a pass.

1041
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,040
I'd like to get to the best possible design.

1042
01:45:09,740 --> 01:45:36,280
You still have the floor? Are you done? I'm thinking. Okay, while you're thinking, I'm going to call on somebody else. Yeah, go ahead. Commissioner Narciss. With all that being said, I'll make the motion to postpone based on the fact that we can consider moving the lots where it doesn't affect the existing promised amenities that's been there for 20 years on top of looking at the second egress on top of

1043
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:39,400
of staff comments in general.

1044
01:45:40,060 --> 01:45:40,840
Falling for one month.

1045
01:45:41,620 --> 01:45:42,500
Commissioner Truxello.

1046
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:52,530
Yeah, I think that's the best thing to do for right now is to keep it here.

1047
01:45:53,950 --> 01:45:54,490
I second.

1048
01:45:55,290 --> 01:45:56,850
Okay, we have a motion and a second.

1049
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:58,490
Any further comments?

1050
01:45:59,890 --> 01:46:00,330
Please vote.

1051
01:46:16,670 --> 01:46:18,790
Motion to postpone one month carries.

1052
01:46:19,650 --> 01:46:20,410
Mr. Morone.

1053
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:21,630
Mr. Morone.

1054
01:46:22,330 --> 01:46:27,150
So when you come back with a new concept plan, I would like to see the staff

1055
01:46:27,150 --> 01:46:32,470
the staff comments, taking care of, I'd like to see what your plan is for the second

1056
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:34,010
ingress, according to the staff comments.

1057
01:46:34,450 --> 01:46:39,150
And I'd like to see a reallocation of that green space so that we're preserving

1058
01:46:39,150 --> 01:46:42,550
the cart path and the buffer between the houses.

1059
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:48,300
No, Commissioner Sieger.

1060
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:51,560
I'd like to make a comment.

1061
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:55,880
There's quite a, there's some young people out in the audience that have been sitting

1062
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:01,640
very patiently and well-behaved, and I think this is an invaluable civic lessons for them.

1063
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:09,440
Gentlemen, your parents are great bringing you here tonight, and we appreciate your being here

1064
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:12,680
and being part of this process, this is how it works.

1065
01:47:13,780 --> 01:47:14,480
Thank you.

1066
01:47:14,860 --> 01:47:15,240
Thank you.

1067
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,020
Motion to adjourn, thank you.