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Mr. Abell, good start. My cell phone says 5:30 p.m. so I'm gonna go ahead and start and call this

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city council meeting to order for today, Tuesday, August 11, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. Just want to thank all

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the attendees. Thank you guys for coming out and attending this meeting and for the ones that

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couldn't make it, our staff is recording this meeting and it'll be available on our website 24 hours

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afterwards. So with no further ado, I'm gonna ask Mayor Pro Tem Ballou to bless us with the

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invocation. Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. Let us pray.

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Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day and for all the many blessings that you provide for us

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each and every day. Heavenly Father, thank you for Morehead City and all the good things that are

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going on in our city and all the ones working behind the scenes to make it happen. We thank

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you for all who are here tonight as we do the business of our city. We pray you give our mayor,

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council and staff wisdom and guidance as we work together for the better of Morehead City. All this

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we ask in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Let us stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it

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stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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And if everyone can put your cell phones on silence to avoid interruptions and distractions, please.

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Thank you for that.

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So for item number two, the council has had ample time to look over the agenda. And at this time, if

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you guys want to remove something for the agenda or add something to the agenda, you have the power

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to do so at this time.

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I move we accept the agenda. Okay. Motion made by Councilman Bill Taylor to accept the agenda as

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presented. Will there be a second? I second. Councilman Harvey Walker seconded. Any discussion on

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this motion hearing? No discussion. All in favor, indicate by raising your hand. It's unanimous.

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Okay, so item number three. The adoption of consent agenda. So the consent agenda is a list of items

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that are discussed in our committee meetings and vetted through all the council over a couple, couple

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week period of time. And at this time, any council member wants to pull any consent agenda consent

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agenda item off, you have the power to do so at this time.

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If not, is there a motion to accept or adopt the consent agenda as presented? Mayor, I make a motion

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with a such agenda as presented. Motion made by council member Harvey Walker. I second. Seconded by

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council member Nathan Chambers. Any discussion on this motion? hearing no discussion. All in favor,

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indicate by raising your hand. It's unanimous.

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Okay, so for item number four, public hearing section, item 4A, annexation of 191 and 195

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Morgan Street and 201 Marine Drive. Sandi, your presentation.

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This request includes an undeveloped 9 and a half acre tract at 191 and 195 Morgan Street and 201

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Marine Drive, located on Radio Island. The property is presently within the Carteret County's

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jurisdiction and is contiguous to the Morehead City's existing corporate limits. The tract is

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currently zoned Port Industrial by Carteret County. The associated request for initial city zoning

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will be considered separately under item 4B.

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Should this annexation be approved.

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At the city's current tax rate, the annexation would generate approximately $3,300 in annual city

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and all costs associated with extending water and sewer service to the property would be the

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responsibility of the property owner. Annexation would also bring the property within the city's

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corporate jurisdiction and make it eligible for city services.

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Notice was provided in accordance with the requirements applicable to the annexation hearing.

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Approval of the annexation is necessary before the city can apply the requested city commercial

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marina zoning designation, which is under item B of this, the city council agenda.

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Okay, thank you, Sandi. Does any council members have any questions for Sandi?

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Okay. All right, thank you. Thank you. Public hearing is now open. If any citizen wants to get up

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and speak in favor of this annexation or in opposition, you have the right to do so at this time.

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Mr. Cullipher you have a three minute time limit, sir. Just state your name and address. Good

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evening. My name is Ron Cullipher. I'm an engineer with the Cullipher Group, located Morehead City,

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151A Highway 24. I'm representing the Ude family and Boline Capital in this request. And as Sandi

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said, it's currently in the county jurisdiction and we'd like to annex into the city and be able to

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receive city services and respectfully request approval for the annexation.

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Thank you. Mr. Culipher. Is there anyone else out in the audience wants to speak in favor or in

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opposition of this annexation?

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Okay. Public hearing is now closed. Gonna defer to our planning committee chair. Yeah, Mr. Mayor,

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obviously this was vetted in our committee not long ago. We talked about it and therefore I'm. I

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move that we. We go ahead and adopt this. I think it's going to be. Is it Resolution 2026-0-12? That

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be right? Yes, sir. Ordinance not. Yeah. Adopt the annexation of that property. Okay, so. Motion

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made by council member Richard Abell. Is there a second?

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I'll second it, Mayor. Okay. Seconded by Mayor Pro Tem George Ballou. Any discussion on this motion?

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Okay. Hearing none. All in favor, Indicate by raising your hand. It's unanimous. Okay, Sandi.

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Item number 4B, rezoning of 191 and 195 Morgan Street and 201 Marine Drive. The applicant has

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requested that the same track that you just reviewed for the annexation request be initially zoned

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to commercial marina district and this aerial identifies the subject property along Marine Drive and

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Morgan Street. The tract is undeveloped except for three existing docks. The surrounding area

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contains a mixture of residential, multifamily, marina, port and industrial development.

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This map shows the requested commercial marina zoning designation in relation to the current county

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and city zoning.

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The property is currently zoned Port Industrial under Carteret county zoning and immediately

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surrounding zoning includes port industrial districts to the north, south and west, planned

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development and commercial marina zoning to the northwest, and residential zoning and development

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across Morgan Creek and Morgan Street to the east

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and the property is presently not included on Morehead City's future land use map or neighborhood

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planning area maps. Carteret County's plan identifies the property as developed. Once the city

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initially zones the property, the city's comprehensive plan map should also be amended to

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incorporate it into Morehead City's planning framework. Formal action on these amendments would

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occur under item 4e of the agenda.

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The applicant is requested that the track be added to the east neighborhood planning area and the

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current and proposed land use maps are shown here. Neighborhood planning area maps are shown here.

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These are the future land use map designations. The applicant also requests that the property be

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designated Port Mixed use on the future land use map. All portions of Radio island currently

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included on the city's future land use map carry the Port mixed use designation as depicted on the

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screen. Formal action on the proposed amendments, land use map amendments would occur again under

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item 4E.

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This table depicts the uses presently permitted in the county port industrial use list and this is

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also included in the agenda materials online and in your packets. And this table depicts the

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permitted and special uses within Morehead City's commercial marina district. Because this is a

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conventional zoning request, Council must consider the full range of uses allowed in the CM

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district. No site specific conditions may be attached to a conventional rezoning request and

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depending upon the uses ultimately proposed, additional planning board for council review may not be

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required.

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The property was posted with public hearing signs along both Marine Drive and Morgan Street. The

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hearing was advertised and abutting property owners were notified.Staff had received five inquiries

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as of the Planning Board presentation last month. At the planning board meeting, one person spoke in

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favor and two in opposition to the request. On July 21, the planning board voted unanimously to

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recommend approval of the commercial marina zoning and the associated comprehensive plan amendment

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and adopted Planning Board Resolution 2026-0005. Council will consider any land use plan

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amendment separately under item 4E. That concludes my report. Thank you, Sandi. Thank you. Does the

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council have any questions for Sandi? Sandi, can you put that map? Zoning?Is that what you're

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requesting, sir? Map.

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Sorry, Go back this one. Zoning. So. So the area that we're talking about is the, what's in that

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diagram there, the little area that's to the south. So that. That still remains Port Industrial.

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Yes, sir. That property is not part of the current request. That's under. Not, not included in this.

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So that is not included. So that'll remain?

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County Port Industrial. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. That's not in the city limits at this

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time, nor it's under separate ownership. Yes, sir. Correct? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Are there any other questions for Sandi? Okay. Hearing none. Public hearing is now open. There's

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anybody wants to get up and speak in favor or in opposition of this reasoning. Mr. Cullipher.

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Thank you again. Ron Cullipher, representing the applicant in this rezoning request. You saw the list

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of potential uses under the county's jurisdiction. Our proposed rezoning limits those uses quite a

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bit to something that's less, less intrusive into the neighborhood as it currently exists. And

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again, we just request approval to move forward with the rezoning.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. There anyone else in the audience that wants to speak

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in favor or in opposition of this rezoning request? Yes, sir.

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You state your name and your address.

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Good evening. My name is Eric Remington. I'm with the law firm of Ward and Smith. I'm out of New Bern,

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but I'm here representing the Old Towne Commute, Condominium Owners association and Old Town Yacht

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Club Marina Owners Association. We're opposed to this request for rezoning. The , the applicants have

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asked for the property to be annexed into and at the same time be rezoned. There's a significant

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change that is being done here to the zoning. Under the county's plan, the zoning would require a

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special use permit for things like commercial marinas and, and dry stack storage and things like

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that. Under this new zoning, it would be permitted use as of right. And the people of Old Towne, both

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the condominium owners association and the marina association were not given proper notice of this

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hearing. The requirements under the, the Morehead City zoning ordinance require. Section 24-7 of the

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ordinance requires that in addition to the published notice requirements in section 24-5, the

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following shall apply to zoning map amendments which this is, and it says that the owners of

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affected parcels of land and the owners of all parcels of land abutting the parcel of land shall be

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mailed a notice of the hearing on the proposed zoning map. Certainly the folks of Old Towne and the,

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and the Old Towne, those two associations are affected by this and it says that they shall be mailed

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notice and they've not been given any notice. So we would ask that this be continued to a different

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date to allow the planning staff to give the proper notice to these associations so that they can

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actually study this and determine whether they can still want to oppose it and further find out more

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details about about it because they don't really know anything about it. We'd ask that if you're not

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willing to continue the hearing, then we would ask that you consider some sort of a lesser zoning.

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You know, the portion, obviously a lot of this is residential, multifamily, things like that, or

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something like port, maritime or industrial may be the best, most comparable uses to what it is

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currently. So, but again, we'd ask that you continue this hearing to allow the notice to be

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properly mailed to these two associations so that they can determine how they want to address the

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situation and find out more about it. Oka. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else?

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My name is Brandon Pittman, one of the condo owners and also the homeowners associate

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president for Old Towne Yacht Club. And I can attest that none of the residents were served via mail,

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United States Postal Service mail, a notice of this. We also checked with our neighbors at Inlet

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Cove. Several of them did not get any mailing notification of that as well. The one thing that I may

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mention, we have 102 condominium units there, approximately 100 boat slips.

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The concerns that we have with this is currently there's one means of ingress and egress off of

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Radio Island. And when you go to any type of marine zoning like what we're seeing, it kind of lends

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itself towards either a public marina like what's across the street, or a dry stack type situation

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or something like that. You could be looking at a significant number of automobiles coming back and

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forth off of that one means. In addition to that, you're at the bottom of the bridge coming from

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Morehead City to Radio Island and at the bottom of the bridge coming from Beaufort. So to realign

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that traffic or to put a stoplight at the bottom of a bridge is really kind of unorthodox. Nobody

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comes to the bottom of the bridge expecting to stop. So we feel like it would be a pretty

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hazard to be able to do that. The other thing, if I could ask, since you got it, could I see the

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aerial map again, please?

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One of the things, if I could direct your attention, probably see it better on this one. If you look

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at Morgans Creek, if there's a marina put in there, we've done an informal boat count, if you will,

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of what goes up and down Morgans Creek. And you can see in this picture over at Inlet Cove, there's

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a basin that there's boats inside that basin. There's also boats along Morgans Creek that face

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Inlet Cove and also Old Towne Yacht Club. And we figured that there's about 75 boats a day that go in

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and out of there. And that's boat traffic, not counting recreational fishermen that come in there

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and fish. And if you put, depending on what type of marina you put in there, this is already a no

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wake zone, which shows that it's a hazardous area or else it wouldn't have been slowed down. So if

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you put another hundred boats in this area, what have you done? We'd need somebody out there in a

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flat bottom skiff with a yellow vest on directing boat traffic for the already the owners of these

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slips that face Morgan Creek to even be able to get out. And so, you know, it's our opinion and

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feeling that what would happen is you would actually diminish the value of the docks. And also you

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would create a hazardous area, people to get in and out that already have ownership there. The other

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thing, if you'll notice the width of that, there's a big salt marsh in the middle. That's only about

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a 40-yard area right there. That's a pretty constricted area to put that much boat traffic back and

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forth in every day. So these are just a few of the points that we'd want to mention. And thank you

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for your audience and listening to what we have to say. Mr. Pittman. And then what's your address, Mr.

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Pittman for our records? 100 Old Town Yacht Club. Okay, thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else from

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the audience? But. Okay, sir, state your name and address.

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I'm Sam Judy, 902 Oak Drive in Morehead. And I represent the family that's trying to get this annexation and rezoning.

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I asked the council do our property is not directly adjacent to the people that are talking about

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notice. And what is the regulation, the number of feet

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from the property lines since they're not abutting? Yes, Sandi can answer that question for you. (unintelligible)

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Okay, thank you. Wait a minute. Oh, say that again. Say it again. So the people that are speaking

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tonight do not have abutting property. There is the, the piece of property that's remaining in the

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county separating Old Towne Yacht Club from property in question.

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It's not abutting. And so what is that? That's my point. Okay. About the notice that he was talking

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about, since it's not abutting property.

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And Sandi, because I didn't hear. What. What did you say the time frame was Sandi? I'm sorry, do you want me to come up?

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What the time frame you referred to, what was it? What was the time frame within which we. Sorry, we

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notify folks when we advertise? It appears we sent notice to 47 different property owners that were

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abutting. The notification for the public hearing is not less than 10 or more than 25 days. I

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believe in my report indicated we had two public hearing signs up. We also notify prior to planning

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board meeting. And the signs are up prior to that meeting as well. It's on the agenda center and in

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the lobby in city hall. Those are our advertising

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methods. Thank you. So people within 300, 300 feet are not notified anymore? Under our current

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ordinance, it's not indicated that way. So it's abutting property owners, yes, sir. Yes, sir. If

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we'd like to go above and beyond that, then we should amend the ordinance and we can do that in a

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new ordinance. But currently it's abutting.

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From the attorney, is there a comment that you can make on the necessity of one versus another

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approach or is it sufficient as written? Do you want to comment now or hold it till after the public

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hearings close? Yeah, we can hold it. We can hold it. And public hearing would be probably more

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appropriate. Yeah, yeah, we'll hold it till after the public hearing is closed. Okay. Is there

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anyone else from the audience that wants to speak in favor? Yes, sir. You state your name and

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address, please.

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Thank you. Yes, sir. I'm Eddie Youngblood, 141 Morgan. I'm the only permanent property owner that

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lives on Morgan Street.

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I live on an island that's within an island. My property is in the city. On all sides of me are

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county property. County, non-city property and water. So it's an island. And this board approved

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recently three additional lots on Morgan. There were initially five. Now there are eight. And you've

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annexed and zoned these lots for residential use. These lots are surrounded by the county land and

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water, as I said. And I, I'm not against this development. I'm very optimistic to have something

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positive going on on Radio Island because it's been negative for a long time.

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The state of affairs concerning this property is a sad tale of industrial dumping, multiple boat

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sinkings and abandonment. Two are still there if you haven't been there lately. Water pollution and

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even illegal drug activity.

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Provisional zoning is a normal process in most jurisdictions, and I'm here to ask you to provide

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provisional zoning for this request. I only ask for two concessions to make this zoning conditional.

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One, is that the access to this new marina complex be only from Marine Drive and not via Morgan

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Street. Morgan Street is a dirt path in the area under consideration here, and the traffic from this

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marina will make for a dangerous and undesirable situation for all the existing residences.

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I also ask that the borders for the existing residential property owners be shielded by a

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substantial buffer system of berm and vegetation, and that any offensive system, such as fuel

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storage tanks, cannot be located within 100 feet of residential properties.

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In conclusion, the board established

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these residential properties along Morgan Street, and the residents of Morgan Street have paid city

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property taxes for over a decade. We deserve your protection from commercial operations who have yet

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to pay any, any city property taxes, and only want annexation and zoning now that they have decided

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to sell this property. Thank you. Any questions? I'll answer. Thank you, sir.

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Is there anyone else from the audience that wants to speak in favor or in opposition of this

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rezoning request? Mayor, I'd just like to remind everyone to speak into the microphones, whether

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you're at the podium, and you need to move the microphone, or here along the dais. Thank you. Absolutely.

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Thank you, Anna. (unintelligible)

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I will allow. Yes, sir.

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Again, my name is Eric Remington. I'm with the law firm of Ward and Smith, representing the two

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associations I mentioned earlier. My understanding, unless I'm drastically wrong about what Municode

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says about the ordinance, is that it says the owners of affected parcels of land and the owners

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of all parcels of land abutting the parcel of land shall be made and mailed a notice. Clearly,

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there's a distinction between people who are affected by this zoning request and those who have abutting

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property. So it's not just abutting property. It is also people who are affected by it. I

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just wanted to make that point clear. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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My name is Brandon Pitman. 100 Old Towne Yacht Club Road.

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The one comment I wanted to make that we did, and most residents at Old Towne didn't realize this

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until probably about the last month and a half. And I bring this up because I can understand

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completely where Mr. Youngblood was coming from on wanting access coming off of Marine Drive. Marine

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Drive is a really interesting road in our area because we recently called the police one Saturday

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because of about 200 vehicles being parked up and down it at the public beach next door. And it was

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blocking the entrance into Old Towne. And we had the police come out. And the police said, well, we

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see what you got in the problem, but we have no jurisdiction here. And I said, okay. So I said,

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well, is it Carteret County? The sheriff's department? We'll call them. No, no, they don't have it

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either. I said, the highway patrol? They said, no, it's not the state at all. In order to have

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anything done on that road, you've got to call the United States Navy. You ever tried to get a Navy

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cop out to tow somebody's car? Or suppose there was a wreck on Marine Drive? Who comes and writes a

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ticket? Who investigates it? If a car caught fire now, they could come, put it out. The fire

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department could. If I even asked the question. I said, well, somebody got shot on Marine Drive.

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What do you do? They said, you'd have to call NCIS and have them come from Wilmington to

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investigate. So as you take all of this into consideration, I just want to make sure that. And I'm

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sure everybody here does their homework, but Marine Drive into itself is a mess just because of

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how it, the jurisdiction of it is. And so just kind of put that into the sauce as you shake it up

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and make it and how that impacts things. But thank you again. Thank you. Is there anyone else?

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All right. Seeing and hearing anyone? I'm gonna close the public hearing. All right. So, Council

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member Taylor, you had a question for our city attorney? Yes, certainly there's been a lot of

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legal questions raised. And I wanted in my mind to ask our attorney, Derek Taylor, to, to sort of

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make sense out of this (unintelligible)

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and suggest some possible ways for it.

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Both. It's not testimony because it's not quasi -eneral, but both folks that have addressed the

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council have said truths. We have to do the abutting property owners. Then we get into the soft

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language of who's affected. Okay. It is compound in statute, as Mr. Remington has pointed out.

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It does. And I've looked it up, say the owners of affected parcels of land and the owners of parcels

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of land abutting the parcel of land shall be mailed notice.

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Council can decide, I think that this document, our ordinance says affected and, but really, who

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you're looking for are the people that are joining. But council could also continue this if you want

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this to be done. You can imagine with a condominium complex, I don't know how many people are over

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there, but that's going to significantly increase what we do for mailed notices if that's what you're

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going to be doing in every case where something is possibly affected and you need to do the mailing

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to those people. I'm not saying you can't decide that's what you want to do and continue this, but I

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do believe that it will be something that you can go forward with if you would like tonight. Because

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affected is a nebulous term. Nobody has presented to you other than what you've heard tonight, that

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they are actually affected, other than the things that you have heard, what they have concerns

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about. And you have now heard those things from people that are representative of those

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organizations. Maybe not all of them, but from some of them.

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Mr. Mayor, can I? Yes, sir. Comment? I would like the planning director or attorney, whichever feels

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comfortable or both, to comment on what the practice of the city has been

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while this ordinance has been in effect. Because I think consistency is important and if you've

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consistently interpreted it and applied it one way. I just wanted to hear if the attorney or

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planning director want to comment on that. Excuse me, I want to say something for that.

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When you say consistency. Yeah. And all other rezoning. I understand. But sometimes things can be

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consistently wrong, okay. So I'd like to look at it the weigh it on its merits rather than what

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we've done in the past. Because sometimes things in the past haven't been always right. So I'd like

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to weigh it on its merits. I'm listening to citizens and they brought some. You know, I don't think

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the decision we have to make is not a technical one. I think it's the one that we need to listen to

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the citizens and how they're being affected by what's going on.

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So I just want to make that comment. Yeah. You know, the pastor ain't always right. True, but the

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only footnote I would add is if we have consistently done it a way, and that has been in the

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interpretation of the ordinance and applying the ordinance as it's currently written, then I think

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that's relevant. Second thing is, if we have, whether we've done it consistently or not, the

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statement was made that we have not complied. And I'm not sure that that is accurate either. Because

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if the ordinance intent is to notify, because I don't recall ever notifying everybody that can

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be affected. That could go a mile. I don't know how you leave it that open ended. I think it's got

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to be relevance. So I agree with your comments about the substance of it. Yeah, I mean, I'm just,

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you know, I heard some interesting comments, and so I'm just wanting to lay that out there. You

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know. Mr. Mayor, if I should, if I can. I mean, I, I appreciate what you said, Mr. Martin. It could

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be a mile, but with my service on the planning board and on this council has always been 300 feet. So

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when did that get changed? I, I knew I. That was the old way, I don't know when. But I have always

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been under the assumption that it's anybody within 300 feet of a, of a, of the actual rezoning request.

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So, Mr. Attorney, did I miss something or, or Sandi did I miss something? When did that get changed to

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someone being affected by, and like Mr. Martin said, that could be a mile. Well, it's subject to

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interpretation. Okay, but when do we change from 300 feet? I know that the ordinance had some changes

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when we had 160D come into play. And we're reading the language based upon what it says. And

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increasingly we're encountering situations where some of our regulatory authority is being

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diminished. So we're reading things as we believe that they're written. I believe that the affected

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language went back to when third party rezonings were allowed, and those are no longer allowed under

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the statute. I think that's what that affected language was. So you used to be able to rezone

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somebody else's property and that's not allowed anymore. That may have been the case, and I believe

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that's how it's been interpreted. The 300 feet has been probably a decade. It's been a long time ago.

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It's been a while. Right now the language in the ordinance says abutting we can certainly do

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something greater, which is what I was mentioning earlier, but that's where I was getting to. Your

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consistency will be important. It needs to be clarified and compliant with the statute, obviously.

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So I would leave that to the city attorney to evaluate. So the, so the, so the current ordinance said,

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the current ordinance states that abutting, that only someone abutting a rezoning is going to be

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notified. Mr. Remington, read into the record exactly what it says, but I'll do it again. The owners

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of affected parcels of land and the owners of parcels of land abutting the parcel of land shall be

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mailed a notice of the hearing. So. And. That's what this that's what it says now. It doesn't say

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anything about 300 feet. And this is developed over time, probably, as she said, 160D changed

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everything. I don't know exactly. That's what it reads now. So the issue is what property might be

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affected? Beyond. (unintelligible)

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Do we have to make a decision tonight? Well, you have the option. Yeah. To decide to continue this or to go

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on. If you want greater notification, that's up to the council. We don't have to make a decision tonight. How to make a decision. All right.

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I've been told to stop talking, so I will stop talking. I, I, I, you know, but just for the sake of,

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we've already got an issue right now. I'd like to see us table if we could.

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You want to put that in the form of a motion? Well, I just want to point out one thing, if I could.

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I just asked the attorney if our memory is certainly correct. Unless it's changed in the statute,

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there is a limited amount of time that the city has to act upon zoning after the annexation period.

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It used to be, I think 60 days, but there is some statutory language over it, unless it's changed. I

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don't know if Sandi can look that up. But I just want to caution the board. We don't want to run

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afoul of that requirement, whatever it is, that it wouldn't preclude you from tabling or continuing.

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But I just want to make sure we don't stub our toes. Is that a statute that we make? Or the state? No, that's

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in Raleigh. Yeah, it's either 60 or 30. Yeah. There is a limited period of time. She's

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looking. From, from today? From the time the annexation's affected. So that would be today. Yeah. We did

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the same thing with the Spooner's Cove where we tabled it. That was 30 days, though. Yeah. As long

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as we don't run afoul of that, I got no objection to continue it until you get further

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clarification. I think Sandi made a very good point, though. Affected property could be interpreted

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as the property that's being zoned. Is that a fair assessment of what you tried to relay? Yeah, but

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I think, I think Ballou made a good point about the 300 feet. I just. No, no. The 300 feet was a

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requirement for notice to other properties, not affected property. I just would like to see if we

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can table it, if we can. But not only does this. Not only does it affect what we are on the table with

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right now, but how many other. We've got public hearings coming and how many people were. The ordinance

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needs to be more clearly defined. I mean, I mean. We noticed abutting on all of, I presume. Abutting? Abutting.

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Yeah, so that's been the practice and that's what I was referring to earlier. Since the ordinance

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was written the way it is, which has been a while, I'd like to table it if it. But can I ask this,

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Mr. Walker? Yes. You want to table it for what reason? To do what? To clarify this. Well, I think

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we're getting a clarification.

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Well, I think decisions have already been made using what, whatever,

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whatever guidelines have been there that we're questioning today.

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But why is it coming up now if it's been done that way now? No, remember, that way has always been.

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Just a minute. Okay. You know these folks out here and I just met them right before the meeting, a

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lot of them are not full time residents.

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Some of them may be, I don't know, but they're not. Obviously the zoning signs were out there and if

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curiosity strikes you make a phone call and the telephone numbers on there to find out what the

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rezoning, what, what, what that's all about. So I don't fault, I don't fault the planning

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department. Oh no, this is not doing what they have been doing for a decade because that's the way

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it's done.

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But I don't see all of a sudden we're going to change in fifth gear on this and turn around and I

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just, I don't see it. Okay. We just verified it's within 60 days. So we obviously can table to next

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meeting and then you can. Can we, can we verify when we changed? Sure. Anyone affected within 300 feet? (unintelligible) She can

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verify when the ordinance amended, when that was handed.

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I do not believe the ordinance said 300. And I think it's more of making sure that our procedures

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are in line with what the ordinance actually says. We can certainly expand that when we look to

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adjust the ordinance, but we're not holding the developers to a higher standard than the council set

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forth in the ordinances that you've enacted. So you don't, so you don't think the 300 get has ever

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been. I do not think so, but I will go back and we will be sure. I promise. We check it before the

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next. I have a question for council. Yes, sir. So when you are talking about the affected property,

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is it, is there two ways you could read that? One would be the affected property is actually the

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property that's been rezoned,. along with the abutting property. So you have that interpretation. But

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then you also have an interpretation where George is talking about 300 feet and clarification. In your

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opinion, do you think that that was written to talk about the property being zoned as the effective

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property? Well, as you have heard from the planning department, this affected parcels came into play

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about third parties being able to rezone somebody else's property and therefore they were affected.

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But the applicants now are not in that category because they can't be. So I think this is legacy

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language. Okay. And the meant, what is meant by it and what the planning department has done is

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these parts properties that are being annexed and then particularly with initial zoning like we're

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talking about the effective property is the property that's the subject property of those, those

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particular items. Now I'm not saying there isn't an alternative interpretation which has been

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presented to you by Mr. Remington and that is everybody doesn't know about this. Council can. It's

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a, they decide to do that. Continue this hearing through the next meeting and ask the planning

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department to notify how many people you want to go, how far you want to go out. Need to let them

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know what you consider to be effective property. What precedents are we setting then? That's right.

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Well, what kind of length do you have? How far out, you know, how many people and then do we have

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somebody else saying, well you know, 235. 300 feet, that's what you have before. I, I really think that if you want

388
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to go forward tonight, you'll be okay. And then if we get into court, we get into court. The issue

389
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,760
is up to council whether they want more people here and more people notified or not. Jewel just came

390
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,920
out of that. The chapter 160B of the General statutes of your. (unintelligible)

391
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Table. It defines effective property, okay. In the statute apparently, that 160D. And what. And what

392
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:07,320
is. They're trying to pull it back up. Pull it back up. I messed it up. And don't let me touch it.. But,

393
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but your points well taken, if affected were broadly construed that could be anybody in town on

394
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,160
certain rezones. That's right. You know they could make that argument. So I don't think that. Let's

395
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,520
see what Counsel Taylor has to say.

396
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:24,130
You reading it first.

397
00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:32,050
This is an opinion, right?

398
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:35,410
What is the source of this? (unintelligible)

399
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:11,110
What did the old jeopardy school? (unintelligible)

400
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,840
While we're waiting can I, can I ask Ron a question? Mr. Mayor? Yes, I'll permit it. Ron, can you

401
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,720
come back up to the., the podium.

402
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,560
You've heard the discussion is the access to this property, are they going to be using everything

403
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,970
Marine Drive, are they going to be using Morgan Street? They're going to have their access if they

404
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:46,370
develop a marina. Has not been determined. There's not a site plan in place. Is there any thing there

405
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:51,370
as far as putting up any kind of buffering? There's. You have buffering and landscaping requirements

406
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:57,210
in your ordinance that would be adhered to no matter what happens when you have different zones. So

407
00:43:57,210 --> 00:44:01,250
that's what your ordinance covers. But do you have a, do you have a.

408
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:09,620
Do you have a better., as far as, which way you would go? As far as Marine Drive, I think. Are you

409
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:14,900
going to use. I mean, there's been several developers that have looked at this property over the

410
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:15,580
years. Right.

411
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:23,220
Most of the traffic is on Marine Drive on those concept plans that they develop versus Morgan

412
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:23,500
Street.

413
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:29,100
Because, you know, the. I don't have to tell you the condition of Morgan Street. No, it's

414
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:37,070
terrible. No, it is. I just cannot believe that someone would go and put a development there and plan on

415
00:44:37,070 --> 00:44:42,830
using Morgan Street without getting on green. But if you look at the sketch that's up on there right

416
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:50,030
now, councilman, if I was developing a multi-million dollar project, I'd improve that road if I was

417
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:57,080
using it. And you can see everything on the west side the of Morgan, you know, if they were

418
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:03,520
trying to use it, any developer that I work with would improve that street. But there's not a plan

419
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,200
that's been developed that's to my knowledge anywhere in that vicinity.

420
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Thank you.

421
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Any other thoughts for the council? I'm trying to wonder if they're taking you that long. Guys over

422
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,370
there find stuff. He's reading it. (unintelligble)

423
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:33,130
Yes, I closed the public hearing. It's already closed, sir. (unintelligble)

424
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:41,690
Marines Drive. (unintelligible)

425
00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:52,450
Yeah. Okay. Can I call him to the podium if I. We have to have a motion to open public comment.

426
00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:56,690
Yeah, but I mean, if I call them up here, we're not in a public hearing, but we can call somebody to

427
00:45:56,690 --> 00:46:01,570
the podium. You should have it on the record in a public hearing. So reopen the public hearing.

428
00:46:02,290 --> 00:46:05,970
Yeah, I thought we could call somebody. No, we got to reopen the public hearing. Because if you

429
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:10,930
don't. A council member cannot call someone to the podium? After you reopen the public hearing. Oh.

430
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:17,250
If you don't. If you. Are you going to let him do it? Not everybody else? Because I called him and a council member has to.

431
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,880
and therefore when somebody says you can't call him and not allow me to speak, you're going. The

432
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,280
public hearing is a public hearing. Anybody else? Yes, sir. You know. Yes, that's the purpose for

433
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,680
closing it down. Thank you.

434
00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:43,690
But.

435
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:53,290
Can you show him? (unintelligible)

436
00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:03,210
Thank You.

437
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:10,020
It's always been 300 feet. We never had a (unintelligible).

438
00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:27,860
That was a long time ago when you were on the planning board. That's 20 years ago.

439
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:31,940
I've always been, under that assumption, (unintelligible)

440
00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:34,430
That we'd notified (unintelligible)

441
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:39,950
But there is a situation

442
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:49,190
that has been described on Marine Drive where you have conflict in jurisdictions. Yeah. And of

443
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:53,550
course, when you get the federal government involved, it don't get better. No, I mean, it just

444
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:58,750
doesn't. Councilman, Taylor, tou know that there's always been a gray when it comes to Marine. It's

445
00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:02,840
always been. But you know, what I was saying is

446
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:14,200
if we're going to send it back, and I think we need to get the answers before we proceed forward. If

447
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:22,680
we're going to send it back. I can see that if I was one of the people that owned property against

448
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:32,130
that little body of water, that I would want the developer to develop an appropriate road and have

449
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:41,010
it owned by the city, because otherwise it's going to continue to be a trashy road. Good point. That is always

450
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:50,290
debated on who's supposed to fix it. And the real truth is it never gets fixed. It remains

451
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:56,600
substandard. We ought to take this opportunity while we're fixing some of this other stuff

452
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:04,920
to guarantee the people that's investing that money into a decent street.

453
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,520
But then I heard. I heard from a comment

454
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,440
that they were planning on using Marine Drive.

455
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:23,850
So that changes the whole. I think they. Yes, they did say that. But I wonder if they understood the

456
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:26,290
full ramification for what they said. I understand.

457
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:35,650
Because certainly no one, unless it's come up before, like we've had in different planets, no one

458
00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:40,690
knows about these problems on Marine Drive. It's terrible. It's terrible.

459
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:50,940
That came up, Marine Drive came up way back when Old Towne was originally built.

460
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:54,460
I recall.

461
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:57,340
Any other thoughts?

462
00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:04,660
At this point, have you got a motion yet? No, not yet. Your answer is still the same as we did

463
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:11,020
before. I was reading Vested Rights, which is a different statute than the one we're talking about,

464
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:18,300
defines affected property as being the subject property that might be influential. But here's the

465
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:25,260
bottom line. You want to give more notice to more people and continue this hearing to the next

466
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:31,860
meeting so that everybody gets notice that you want to get notice. And if so, how do you want to

467
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:37,230
define how far you want to go? Because I don't think that our ordinance requires it. I don't

468
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:44,310
think the statute requires it. But if you want it, you can do that and tell the planning department

469
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:52,350
to expand their notice. Leave the signs up, create the new hearing date, and then leave this hearing

470
00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:57,830
as a continued hearing for the next meeting. It'll be republished. Well, you don't really have to

471
00:50:57,830 --> 00:51:03,160
republish, but you might want to. This is up to you. I don't believe you have to, but if that's what

472
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,680
you want to do. And I think I'm hearing from one of our council people. That's what he wants to do.

473
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,840
You need a motion to continue this hearing to the next meeting. That will still be within the 60 day

474
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,040
period that we have for the initial zoning. And you can do that. Well, it's it's only fair that we

475
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:26,850
set a perimeter that, that our citizens of Morehead City or Carteret County need to be notified of

476
00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:33,090
anything that's going on or any changes going on within their area. There needs to be a perimeter.

477
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:41,970
And, and I, and again, I will stand on the 300 feet that I was always under the impression that was

478
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:47,730
from the planning board when I served. And what I've always thought that that was the perimeter

479
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:52,970
now. And I'm going to research it. I would like to. There's not time enough tonight if we search it,

480
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:59,490
but I will research it. We can certainly do that. And it may have been a practice of 300 feet as a one

481
00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:08,010
way to interpret, but I think that exceeded the ordinance requirement, likely, it sounds like. Mr.

482
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:14,890
Mayor, I'd like to put forward a motion. Okay. That we table this. How many days? 30 or 60. We'll go

483
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:20,050
to 60 days. Well, no, no, no, we can't go to 60 days. Well, I mean, to be within the limit. Right.

484
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:24,020
I'd say I'd go to the next meeting. All right. To the next meeting. It'd be September 8th. All

485
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:29,340
right. To the next meeting. September 8th. And during that time that the planning department gets to

486
00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:39,020
notify everybody within 300 feet of the affected area. Okay. Okay. If I might assist with your motion.

487
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:46,880
Yes, sir. That you reopen the hearing because it's closed right now. And continue that hearing to

488
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,680
the next meeting.

489
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:56,160
Giving a notice to the planning department to publish or do what they need to do for their mailing.

490
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:04,760
And I'm hearing over here for 300 feet from the subject property. Is that what you want? That's what I

491
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,720
would like to do. That's, that's, hat's what I've always. And I will. I would certainly second the

492
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:14,930
motion and see where it goes. So what would. I think that's been. What would be accomplished out of

493
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:21,410
that? The, the accomplished would be, Councilman Abell, that I feel like as a practice, the town has

494
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:28,490
always notified anyone within a 300 foot perimeter of any changes. Well, and that's a practice that

495
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:34,010
I've always. You said have always. Obviously it hasn't been always the last 10 years. You just heard

496
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:39,210
Sandi talk about that. But what I'm getting at, what are we going to accomplish by

497
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:44,650
pushing it out for 30? We're going to. What is what. Other than you're notifying more people to come

498
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:51,330
to the next city council meeting to either talk against it or talk for it and we're back to square

499
00:53:51,330 --> 00:53:55,370
one. What, what is going to be accomplished? We won't be at square one. We'll be able to make a decision

500
00:53:55,530 --> 00:54:01,170
because at that point we'll have people who have now been notified. If we continue the closed

501
00:54:01,170 --> 00:54:06,200
hearing, though, does that, does that. I'm sorry?, If we continue the closed hearing, does, does that

502
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,680
mean that the next time we meet, does that mean that we have to reopen for public comment first? No.

503
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:18,560
If you'll deny tonight, you would. Part of the motion that he is making to reopen the public hearing

504
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,440
and continue it to the next meeting. Okay. Yeah. And to instruct the planning department to go, if

505
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,880
that's what you desire, 300 feet out from the affected property. So if we choose the table, we can

506
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,320
choose it during the closed part, but then. Or do we have to open it first? You have to open it as.

507
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,800
You can do it as part of this motion. You can do it as a separate motion. The idea is to get it

508
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,560
reopened and continued, right now it's closed. Therefore you can't continue with a closed hearing. Let's make

509
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:51,400
what happened, let's include what Nate is trying to put in, in this motion. What are you trying to

510
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,160
put in there, Nate, to make. Just wanted to make sure that we're following the right procedure as far

511
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,950
as whether we have to open it, the meeting before we vote on the tabling or whether we do that

512
00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:07,710
during closed session and then. Or the closed meeting. So I just want to make sure. You could, with a

513
00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:14,190
closed meeting, you could republish. What you're doing when you continue a hearing is that you don't

514
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:18,590
have to go through the newspaper stuff, et cetera. All those people that have been notified have

515
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:24,030
been notified. If you continue it, you only have to notify those that say they weren't notified and

516
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:29,740
you want to expand that notification process. But in other words, open it up. Open the open the

517
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:35,620
public hearing back up is what he's trying to say is the easiest and best way to do it, and then

518
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:43,180
make a motion to table it for the next meeting. It's not even. It's not even a table because. So

519
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:44,660
we're going to continue. Continue. Continue is the word.

520
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:53,670
Motion is to reopen the hearing, the public hearing. Continue it to the next meeting. And

521
00:55:53,670 --> 00:56:01,190
notify people within 300 feet of this rezoning request. I'm gonna. That's by mail. Yeah, right. I don't know that

522
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:08,430
it needs to be 300 feet, but that's not my decision, so. Anyhow, I believe that when you do the research,

523
00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:16,840
you're going to find that the 300 feet was not a matter of law at that time, but it was a matter of

524
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:25,480
policy.Practice. Yes, sir. Practice it was another. So that. That carries less of legal requirement

525
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:34,440
for simplicity that we've got enough floating around in the air tonight. I think we're safe to go

526
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:41,860
ahead and notify for the 300 feet and move this thing forward to get the more important question

527
00:56:42,010 --> 00:56:52,290
questions researched and a clarification available to us next. Now it's up to you to do that. I

528
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:59,490
think that's what the motion was. I think the secretary, our clerk, not secretary, has got that. I

529
00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:05,570
have not heard a second yet, but I'll second it. Okay. Motion made by council member Harvey Walker.

530
00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:10,500
To do what? To open the public hearing back up. Okay. So open the public here if you want. Okay,

531
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:15,340
fine. Okay. Open the public hearing. We'll go to the second motion. I don't care. I was trying to

532
00:57:15,340 --> 00:57:17,100
combine it all together, but that's fine.

533
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:28,420
If you want. Are you going to second, Yes. Mr. Walker's motion, sir? Repeat my motion. All right.

534
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:35,160
His motion is to reopen the public hearing and continue that hearing to the next meeting and

535
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,440
instruct the planning department to do mail notice to everyone within 300 feet of the affected

536
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,840
property. I will second that motion. Right. Okay. Seconded by Mayor Pro Tem George Ballou. Any

537
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,800
discussion on this motion hearing? None. All in favor? Indicate by raising your hand.

538
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Okay, it's unanimous. So

539
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:06,400
public hearing is now reopen for the rezoning of 191 and 195 Morgan Street and 201 Marine Drive. To

540
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:13,440
be continued till the next council meeting in September. Okay, I have a question.

541
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:24,520
We have other matters dealing with rezoning and property. Does the conversation that we've had up to

542
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,970
this point affect any of these cases? And it's so high?

543
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:38,730
Well, I'm going to say that I think the ordinance says affected property. And looking at the whole

544
00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:46,810
of 160d the how you have heard from the planning department that affected property is the subject

545
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:52,340
property. And I think that's what was intended with our ordinance, you have determined that, that

546
00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:57,260
based on what you have heard, that for this particular matter that you have done, you would like to

547
00:58:57,260 --> 00:59:00,340
hear from more people and have taken the action to do so.

548
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:07,180
I believe that you are safe to say that the next thing comes up. Effective property means the

549
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:12,860
subject property. I do believe we might want to spend a little time on actually defining that in our

550
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:17,460
ordinance. Maybe we'll look at that, maybe bring you an ordinance amendment that says that whether

551
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:23,110
it's necessary or not, it clarifies the world. And that's a good thing. But for the other things

552
00:59:23,110 --> 00:59:28,750
that are coming forward, unless you consider the need for additional information for you to be able

553
00:59:28,750 --> 00:59:33,989
to proceed with whatever these things are, I don't think you are controlled by what you did in this

554
00:59:33,989 --> 00:59:41,350
case. I think that for reasons of moving our business forward, as you said,

555
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:53,360
that we look at the one we just did as a specific problem or situation and the rest we consider as

556
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,720
valid as presented.

557
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,960
You will have that opportunity. And we continue our business for the night. Yes. Thank you. I will give

558
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:07,400
you the general interpretation of what you said you want to hear from more people. Okay. If you

559
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,320
don't consider that to be necessary for anything else that you got business for, then you can make

560
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:19,800
that decision as well. Thank you, Mr. Attorney. And Shawne, for our public records, can you put in the

561
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:25,960
record that at our next planning committee of meeting that we're going to discuss

562
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:35,560
that ordinance and see if the council needs to more clearly divine, define that ordinance and that

563
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,640
can be vetted in our next planning committee meeting in September.

564
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:47,320
Okay, thank you. I would stretch that to include the notification process. Okay. And to include a

565
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:57,920
notification process. Thank you, Councilman Taylor. Okay, so moving on to Item 4C. Rezoning of 202

566
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Pensacola Avenue,

567
01:01:01,690 --> 01:01:02,250
Sandi.

568
01:01:10,090 --> 01:01:18,570
Okay. The Cullipher Group on behalf of Pelletier Properties, LLC requests to rezone approximately 0.35

569
01:01:18,570 --> 01:01:27,770
acres from R-10 single family residential to CMCZ Commercial Marina conditional Zoning District. A

570
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:35,010
prior conventional rezoning request was reviewed by the planning board in April but was withdrawn

571
01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:41,250
prior to council action. The present request uses conditional zoning to limit the property to

572
01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:46,130
specified marina related uses and to prohibit certain activities.

573
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:53,180
The subject property is currently undeveloped and lies within the corporate limits. The surrounding

574
01:01:53,180 --> 01:02:00,020
area includes single family residences and vacant residential property to the east, south and west

575
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:08,219
with marina uses to the north and northeast. The property is currently zoned R10. Residential zoning

576
01:02:08,219 --> 01:02:13,540
continues primarily to the east, south and west while CM zoning is located to the north and

577
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:14,180
northeast.

578
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:23,250
The property is within the midtown neighborhood planning area of the Morehead City Plan 2032 and is

579
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:28,450
classified as neighborhood residential on the future land use map. The Planning Board conducted a

580
01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:33,890
review of neighborhood residential classification and the midtown neighborhood planning area

581
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:40,130
objectives and the Planning Board ultimately found the request to be generally consistent with the

582
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:45,940
Morehead City Plan 2032 reasonable and in the public interest. Those findings were adopted in Place

583
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landing board resolution 2026-0006 and are reflected in the draft council resolution 2026-R30.

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This is a list of the uses permitted in the R10 zoning district which the property is currently

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zoned,

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and this table shows the uses permitted in the commercial marina district. The highlighted uses are

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the uses the applicant has requested to be allowed in the proposed conditional zoning district.

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Unlike a conventional rezoning, only the uses and conditions incorporated into the conditional

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zoning ordinance would apply to this property. Conditions must be approved by Council and consented

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to by the petitioner.

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UDO's Commercial Marina Standards ordinarily identify several activities that may be associated with

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a marina and for this property, boat stand service and repair and boat petroleum service areas would

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be prohibited as proposed.

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Approval would be subject to the two applicant agreed upon conditions as shown on the screen. First,

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the CMCZ district would be limited to listed marina related uses and marine storage and repair yards,

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and all unlisted uses would be prohibited. Second, the activities associated with a commercial

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marina would be narrowed, expressly prohibiting boat service and repair and boat petroleum service

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areas.

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The property was posted with a public hearing sign. The hearing was advertised and abutting property

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owners were notified. During the Planning Board meeting, three individuals spoke in favor of the

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request and six spoke in opposition. The Planning Board recommended approval as such subject to the

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two proposed conditions and adopted resolution 2026-0006 which is reflected in the Council's

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resolution. And that concludes my report. Thank you, Sandi. Thank you. Yes, sir. Sandi, that map

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right there. Yes, that's in your agenda materials. Okay, so. So that, so those that were people that

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were contacted, those are the folks. So, in lieu of a community meeting because this is a

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conditional. So the last request was conventional, but with conditional rezonings there is a

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recommended community meeting and in lieu of doing that community meeting, the developer opted to do

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one on one outreach. And so some of the folks that received outreach also commented just because of

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the similarities where some of the addressing street to street was similar and the copies of the

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written comment are included in your agenda as well.

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Any other questions for Sandi? Okay, public hearing is now open.

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Anyone in the audience want to get up and speak in favor or in opposition? Mr. Cullipher.

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Good evening again. Ron Cullipher representing the applicant in this rezoning request. We

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were before you several months ago with a blanket rezoning request to commercial marina, not the

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conditional zoning. The reason for that request from this council was that they felt like there was

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some uses that are allowed in that zone that were not conducive to the neighborhood. So we took

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those comments and questions and modified our request to have the conditional zoning addition to

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restrict those uses that we saw earlier that we think it was more intrusive to the neighborhood.

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So this tract of land, you know, it's relatively small. It's 0.3535 acres. And should you rezone

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this and it get developed? What I've kind of shown in green is the buffering requirements that we

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talked about on the earlier project. So to the west, should this be developed, there's a type B buffer

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that would be required. And also to basically the south,

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that type B buffer would require an eight foot fence and two separate rows of landscaping, as shown.

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If you take the area of the required landscaping out, the available area is about. I can read my own

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notes here, about 11,000 square feet. So there's not a lot that can be done with this other

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than the circulation and parking and storage. My clients included in your packet. You know what

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they're, what we are proposing in their community outreach, and there's, what they are proposing is

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additional boat and trailer storage, improve access to their marina, which is joining them directly

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north of this property, better traffic flow. And there was a lot of conversation about traffic flow

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at the planning board meeting. And then basically a clean, professional managed property, which is

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their development.

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So if this were to be rezoned as requested, it gives the users of this facility another opportunity

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to get into this marina. There's a lot of discussion about all the different ways you can go through

634
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the community. And I agree there's a lot of ways you can come and go, but you can't go to that

635
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property from here unless we get rezoned. So that at least opens up another avenue of access. I've

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done business with the marina repair shop to the north, and I always came in by the marina. And, and

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it's one of those things that we think is a reasonable request, and we acted based on the guidance

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that you provided us when we were here last and respectfully request approval. All right, thank you,

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Mr. Cullipher. Thank you. Is there anyone else that wants to get up and speak in favor or opposition of this

640
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rezoning? Request. Yes, ma'am. State your name and address when you come up.

641
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:22,910
Good evening. My name is Emily Nobles, and I live at 210 Pensacola Avenue.

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For those who may not know, my husband's family has deep roots in Bonham Heights. His great-

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grandfather, Alva Hamilton, helped develop this neighborhood along with Dr. Bonner. The name Bonham

644
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itself comes from their names. Bon for Bonner and Ham for Hamilton. This isn't just where we live.

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It is part of our family history. It is where generations before us helped build a community and

646
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where we are now raising our children. I'm here tonight to respectfully ask that you vote against

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rezoning 202 Pensacola Avenue, from residential to commercial marine.

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Generally speaking, I do not like telling other people what to do or not do with their property. I

649
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respect the rights of property owners, but this feels different. Rezoning this property does not

650
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affect this property alone. It permanently changes what can occur within an established residential

651
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:32,840
neighborhood and affects everyone who lives around it. At the July planning board meeting, one board

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member stated what I believe is at the heart of this issue. This neighborhood simply does not have

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the infrastructure to support a marina. Our roads are narrow. In some places, it is difficult for

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even two vehicles to pass each other. We have tight curves and turns, and there is no direct access

655
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from Arendell Street to the marina. Traffic must travel through residential streets that were never

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designed to accommodate this type of commercial activity.

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Yet, here we are considering expanding a commercial marine zoning further into a neighborhood that

658
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arguably does not have the infrastructure to support what is already there.

659
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There is also still not enough information available to the public. At the last town Council,

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Council meeting, the council delayed this request because of unanswered questions about the plans and

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safety, safety concerns. While the property owners have since distributed a flyer, residents still

662
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have not been presented with formal drawings, renderings, or a detailed plan that would allow us to

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01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:49,190
fully understand what is being proposed. A permanent zoning decision should not be made based on

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incomplete information. And once this property is rezoned, that designation stays with the property.

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This decision is not simply about what the current owners intend to do tomorrow. It is about what

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could be permitted there years or even decades from now. I am not opposed to responsible growth or

667
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property owners making reasonable use of their property, but that growth should be supported by

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adequate infrastructure, and it should not come at the expense of the safety and residential

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character of an established neighborhood. For those reasons, I respectfully ask you to protect

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Bonham Heights and vote no on this rezoning request. Thank you. Thank you, Emily. Is there anyone

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else that would like to get up and speak in favor or opposition. Yes, ma'am. State your name and

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address. Yep. Jana Moss, 217 Pensacola. First of all, thank you for letting me speak tonight. I am

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also opposed to this. Like, I really echo everything Emily mentioned. The infrastructure is just not

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set up to support,

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you know, any added traffic into the neighborhood. We, a lot of the planning board was focused on

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just that parcel. They voted just on that parcel, not necessarily. They had a hard or, there was a

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lot of discussion about do they include, you know, the additional parcel that it's going to be

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joined to. So they really just voted on the little. On the parcel that it is. There is an existing

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marina there. And like, you know, we talked about last time, the roads are already. And you can't

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really fit two cars down the, down the road. Boats. There's a lot of traffic already on Saturdays.

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And just, you know, there's kids. And I walk in the neighborhood a lot. So the infrastructure just I

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do not think can support added. Cannot be expanded. And then similarly to what Emily said when we

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came to this meeting, I think it was in May, you know, y' all did ask for, hey, please come back to

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us with more of a plan. And we still don't feel like we've seen that there's no site plan. And as

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we've seen in other projects with the same developer, they definitely do site plans and they have a

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lot of planning. So I would like to think there's probably one there that's more than just the flyer

687
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we received. We. But we have not seen it. So I respect, respectfully ask, you know, that y' all

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decline this, you know, based on this feedback. Thank you. Thank you, Jenna. Is there anyone else?

689
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Yes, sir. State your name and address.

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Blow your ears off. My name is Nick Shiotakis. I live at 208 Pensacola Avenue. I'm speaking in

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opposition of this. Again,

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I it to add to what they have already said, which I agree with. Our neighborhood is a rejuvenating

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neighborhood. There's a lot more younger families moving in. Kids. I have two kids. There's on this

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road in question right here on Pensacola Avenue, there's already four kids under the age of seven.

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You know, we walk our kids and strollers and stuff like that. And what concerns me is

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allowing this access like this, this marina, you know, on the weekends we're going to have. They

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could have 50 to 75 boats or whatever on there. And the amount of traffic. And then what also

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concerns me is the kind of traffic we're going to be having on this road. You know, I know we've all

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had our boat days and stuff like that. And you know, in the afternoons when people get back on the

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boat, you know, I worry about their condition driving on our neighborhood roads. We shouldn't have

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to worry about that. We bought this property and moved to this neighborhood for the safety reasons

702
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of it and everything like that.

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The other thing is this property. There was a street map a minute ago, but if you look, the land use

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plan obviously for this property was for the past 50 years, was residential. It's consistent with

705
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all the other residential lots in the neighborhood. The commercial lots around it. They're obviously

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much bigger and that kind of thing, which makes sense. They're on the water. I think their idea for

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the commercial property they bought is fine. I don't see why our neighborhood and

708
01:16:15,490 --> 01:16:21,650
potentially our property values should be affected. Because they want to take a residential lot and

709
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add to that. If they wanted to do that, I think the typical procedure would have been prior to

710
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:30,930
purchasing the lots, to

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do a contract with the previous landowner or a written agreement or whatever saying, hey, we'll buy

712
01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:45,540
the property contingent on us being able to rezone this property for commercial if that was our

713
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intent. So it seems like a lack of due diligence on that, which also concerns me going forward with

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what they do with the land.

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Another concern is, you know, is this going to be a camper lot? There hasn't been anything saying

716
01:17:02,140 --> 01:17:05,500
that campers can't be there. Is this going to turn into, because there's already a camper on the

717
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:07,880
property, on the commercial property next to it.

718
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:14,840
I would hope that it's not going to turn into a mini campground with the boat ramp. Sorry, I'm

719
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trying to shorten this up a little bit. But the last meeting there was one of the council members

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said, well, this, this property, the commercial property beside it that they purchased was always a

721
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:35,130
marina. Yes, it was, but it was marina with eight boat slips. One the boat slips was the homeowner,

722
01:17:35,130 --> 01:17:38,490
the property owner that lived there. It was his. It was not a marina like this. It did not have a

723
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boat ramp. It had a railway slip. That is the traditional way of pulling boats out of the water. It

724
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did not have this kind of traffic. And like they said, our streets are not set up for this. They're,

725
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I mean, a lot of times when you pass somebody, you have to pull over into somebody's yard. So, you

726
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:58,820
know, it's going to be a lot more traffic in comparison to what this property has ever been used

727
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for. So anyways, thank you guys. Thank you, Nick. Is there anyone else?

728
01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:12,460
Okay, Paula. State your name and address.

729
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:22,380
Paula Hoffman. Paula Hoffman. 907 Evans Street. Good evening. A year ago this past spring, Mr. Cullipher was on the City

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Council agenda to reduce setbacks for dry stack storage facilities throughout the entire city by

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changing the UDOs. Additionally, he wanted to change the UDOs for parking requirements at marina

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locations. The fire department and others spoke against the dry stack storage setback reductions

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because of the safety hazards it created to adjacent properties, in particular adjacent residential

734
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properties. Reduced parking requirements next to adjacent residential neighborhoods was also opposed

735
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because of the negative impact to the neighbors by parking in front of homes and increased traffic

736
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putting children and walkers at risk. The UDO request for the dry stack setback changes was

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withdrawn. I believe that this rezoning of 202 Pensacola is a part of the same project Mr. Cullipher

738
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might have been pursuing a year ago and would not disclose the location to the public.

739
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Unfortunately, the 202 Pensacola property in combination with the Pelletier Creek Marina, does not

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have the square footage needed for a dry stack storage, a restaurant and a number of other uses

741
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allowed by the requested zoning not, nor required parking. Allowing this zoning change adjacent to a

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residential area presents a huge change to the quality of life in the neighborhood, potentially

743
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:48,270
reduces their property values, increases traffic, puts children and walkers who live in the

744
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:53,430
residential area in danger due to increased traffic. This neighborhood does not have sidewalks.

745
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Additionally, I'm concerned that once the zoning is changed, Mr. Cullipher will return wanting to

746
01:20:00,230 --> 01:20:07,230
reduce setbacks next to residential areas as he pursued last year. In the completed plan, if the

747
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completed plan were provided, it would end all of this speculation. If the owner would work with the

748
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:20,060
neighborhood, perhaps compromises could be made. If I lived there, I would worry that there was a

749
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:27,140
much larger plan, potentially combining more properties to create a much larger project, creating

750
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:33,140
even a more significant effect on the neighborhood. I'm seeing many projects like this where the

751
01:20:33,140 --> 01:20:39,590
future land use map is being ignored and allowed changes are reducing the quality of life that

752
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Morehead City has enjoyed for so many years. I would ask you to take care of our community and its

753
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:52,750
future growth by not allowing the zoning change as it is currently requested. I would suggest Mr.

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Cullipher and the property owner he represents provide a specific plan to the neighbors and see if a

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01:20:59,990 --> 01:21:05,800
mutually agreeable plan could be reached. Please do not allow this zoning plan change as it is

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today. Thank you. Thank you, Paula.

757
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,840
Is there anyone else?

758
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:17,160
Seeing and hearing no one, I now close the public hearing.

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:19,160
Council.

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01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:26,840
Yeah, I'm going to try to address what, what a few of y'all were talking about while ago. I don't

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know the, that the property owner and Mr. Cullipher can give a detailed plan of what they're going to

762
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:42,090
do until it's rezoned, if it's rezoned. But you know what they, you know what the property is and

763
01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:48,890
how big it is. And we already know it's not big enough to put a dry stack. It's not big enough, I

764
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don't think, for a restaurant or anything like that.

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And

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as far as the roads go, I know most of y'all lived on Pensacola Avenue, but it seems like, and to

767
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me now it just seems like by opening that up as an entrance, it would take the burden off of

768
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Pensacola Avenue, where they currently have to go down to get down to what is South Shore Drive, and

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be back around to that property. I would think that you would want that. I, I, I don't know. But I'm

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just, at this point, just, just saying some things here, Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. Any other thoughts?

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Can I, can I ask Sandi that question? Yes.

772
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Sandi. This being conditional, conditional use zoning, why, why don't we have

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specific uses of what's going to be

774
01:22:50,110 --> 01:22:56,670
used on this piece of property? I mean, it's conditional use. It's on there. You do? It's right

775
01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:57,390
there. (unintelligible) Okay.

776
01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:00,750
So that.

777
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:13,400
You got, you got. So, so our ordinance really doesn't specify with a conditional use, really what the

778
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,520
use is going to be. I mean, it just opens it up that those things could be done.

779
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:25,800
If you approve it that way, yes. So it doesn't narrow it down with the conditional use of what's going

780
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:31,880
to be used for the piece of property. It can be narrowed down further. It can be more broad. It's

781
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:38,740
just a matter at this point of what the applicant has submitted to you. We'll bring it forward through

782
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:44,700
the process and bring you their application. And these are the uses that they have proposed in their

783
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:52,820
application to the city, in addition to limiting some of the other standards and the extra standards

784
01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:59,940
section pertaining to boat service and repairs and boat petroleum service areas. And if it's not, my

785
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:05,950
mistake, and I didn't mean to cut you out, but if this goes through and they come back with a site

786
01:24:06,030 --> 01:24:11,190
plan, whatever you want to call it, it's got to probably go back before the planning board. It will

787
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:17,550
at least come back for us as well. No, sir. It will not. More than likely it would not. If it's just

788
01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:22,510
a site plan that's subject typically to an administrative review, which is just staff level review.

789
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:30,390
Right. And in conjunction to any, a piece attached to it. Depending on what development they're doing,

790
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:36,150
parking requirements may apply. As long as we still have parking requirements,

791
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:45,670
buffering would apply. You know, we have a screen requirement. So if there is development that

792
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:52,990
occurs, then we would be reviewing that with any application. But typically that's an administrative

793
01:24:52,990 --> 01:24:59,040
review. Okay, so the picture that Mr. Cullipher put up a few minutes ago, that's not in our packet, pack,

794
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:05,840
picture, that's not in our that. Is that the buffering that he is proposing? I think you may have

795
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:15,320
received a copy of a site plan in your packet. And if I know that we got a version of this to put in

796
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,890
the PowerPoint today is this. But I don't know. But you had given it previously. Okay, but. But I

797
01:25:19,890 --> 01:25:24,970
can't. I didn't. I have not found that in my packet. So maybe, but anyway, so that's a 10 foot

798
01:25:24,970 --> 01:25:28,970
buffer that he's proposing around the property. So if, if

799
01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:38,010
the proposed zoning designation is commercial marina and if it is developed adjacent to a

800
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:46,820
residential parcel, then a 10 foot wide landscape strip is required with a fence, solid fence and

801
01:25:46,820 --> 01:25:56,220
two rows of evergreen trees. And there's one row of evergreen trees that's planted on closer

802
01:25:56,220 --> 01:26:02,060
together and then the second row is planted further apart and that's kind of depicted in that type B

803
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:08,740
buffer that. So there'll be no access on Pensacola. It'll be from the adjoining property to the

804
01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:16,670
north. There is no condition on any of these approvals limiting access. So. So there could be access

805
01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:20,510
on Pensacola. There could be access on Pensacola. Yes, sir. Okay.

806
01:26:22,270 --> 01:26:30,990
Could that be a condition? No access from Pensacola, Mr. Attorney. No access or access. No access

807
01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:37,160
from Pensacola. So you'd rather go. You rather form to travel down Pensacola down to South Shore

808
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:42,080
Drive. There would be no access. There would be no access on the east side of Pensacola. They would

809
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,480
have to. They would have to have the access from the property to the north.

810
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:55,200
But then that's not their property. That's not their property. Okay. That. That would be worse. That

811
01:26:55,200 --> 01:27:03,870
would force them to go down to the other street, I guess. They do not own the property. Okay, Sandy,

812
01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:12,590
do you have. Wow. One of those infrared lights? I'm not very good at doing that. It'll probably work

813
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:13,830
on this screen. A laser,

814
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:22,110
Sandy. Also, just for clarification, they can build a marina by right based on the zoning. As it is

815
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:26,990
right now. Correct. As it is right now. Are we talking. We're talking about the main piece of main

816
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:32,360
piece. Yes. If we go back, if it will allow me now that I have done something to it to the aerial

817
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:39,840
image. That piece that they also own to the northwest is not part of the current application. Right.

818
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:47,320
And that is currently zone commercial marina. So. Yes, sir. A marina could be constructed on that

819
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:54,250
parcel. The parcel that is the subject of this application is the piece that's highlighted in red in

820
01:27:54,730 --> 01:28:00,730
on the image there. So the piece that they own to the north, which is accessed by Roanoke Avenue,

821
01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:05,850
they could build a dry stack marina and be able to do everything that's allowed a commercial marina

822
01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:10,730
as its own. Right now by right, they don't even have to come with an application. Anything that's

823
01:28:10,730 --> 01:28:16,370
listed as a permitted use they could do by right. Anything that requires a special use permit.

824
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:21,210
Sorry, I'm on the wrong one. Would require a special use permit be requested from the board

825
01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:26,210
of adjustment. So everything on the left permitted uses they could build by right now without even

826
01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:30,170
have to come in front of us subject to any additional standards. Yes, sir. And so what they're

827
01:28:30,170 --> 01:28:35,890
proposing is that they get that piece of property so they can come in from the by. Having that

828
01:28:35,890 --> 01:28:39,370
rezoned allows them to come in with the drive. And that way they don't have to travel around

829
01:28:39,370 --> 01:28:47,500
Pensacola, South Shore or Roanoke. Potentially. Yes, sir. And so the. So either. Either as a board,

830
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:52,740
we have to make a decision to allow that where you have access, where they're traveling down

831
01:28:52,740 --> 01:28:58,060
Pensacola a little bit, or we deny it and then they continue to do their development that they come

832
01:28:58,060 --> 01:29:06,140
in through Roanoke Avenue, which would create a lot more traffic. Okay. Do you have that infrared

833
01:29:06,140 --> 01:29:13,100
thing? Did you. Did you want to use it or do you want stick on that buffer around it? Okay, that

834
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:17,940
would be access down Ronoke and there'd be no access on Pensacola without buffering that.

835
01:29:20,020 --> 01:29:25,700
Right. That's the reason I was asking. Is there access off Pensacola Avenue or would they use

836
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:28,500
Roanoke Avenue. Speak into the mic.

837
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:35,860
My mic. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's the reason I asked that question. Councilman Taylor has a question. He won't

838
01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:39,390
say. He wants the. The infrared.

839
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:55,390
Did it work it at all? I'm pointing it everywhere. I don't see anything. Let me see it a minute.

840
01:29:58,030 --> 01:29:59,790
That's a laser. That's a laser.

841
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,800
There it is. What? Give it to me. All right, you see that? You see here, here, look at it. That's

842
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,160
that button right there. Jesus. No wonder I can't see that.

843
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,560
There you go. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

844
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:22,040
You really hit the button. Holly, you okay? All right.

845
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:35,260
In my mind, I'm. I'm going to give that up. In my mind, we talked about making this a conditional

846
01:30:36,620 --> 01:30:41,580
Speak into the mic, Councilman Taylor. It's right here. And if you tell me where you want me to point

847
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:41,900
it,

848
01:30:44,220 --> 01:30:50,620
we talked about making it a conditional zone. In my mind,

849
01:30:53,260 --> 01:31:03,800
the less intrusive way to provide access for marina that already exist. You're not going to

850
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:11,399
eliminate that marina that's there now? Absolutely. But when it changes hands, you still, we, the

851
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:17,800
city has got to provide them access to the water's edge and their boats.

852
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:20,120
To me,

853
01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:32,130
traffic should be allowed to come in on Neuse Avenue, turn right on Central Avenue, turn left on

854
01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:43,570
Pensacola and across that vacant lot, and would not be able to continue down Pensacola, get involved

855
01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:46,810
with North Shore Drive or Roanoke Drive.

856
01:31:49,280 --> 01:32:01,840
I don't think boat traffic belongs on those little narrow Pensacola and Roanoke Avenue roads. We

857
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:11,160
ought to get that traffic off of Central and Pensacola as fast as we can, get them to the boat and

858
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:17,850
get them away from the dock. And that was part of the purpose of the conditional uses.

859
01:32:21,130 --> 01:32:29,690
And I think that would be easy to put on a diagram by the developers and see if that traffic pattern

860
01:32:29,690 --> 01:32:32,250
could work on the property. That's (intelligible).

861
01:32:33,930 --> 01:32:35,370
Can you do that, Ron?

862
01:32:40,580 --> 01:32:52,180
Can you engineer the traffic to make primary turns at Central Avenue, Pensacola and into that newly

863
01:32:53,700 --> 01:32:55,220
purchased vacant lot

864
01:32:56,820 --> 01:33:06,910
and get the traffic back out into the highway the same way without involving the rest of Pensacola,

865
01:33:09,790 --> 01:33:13,390
South Shore Drive or Roanoke,

866
01:33:14,910 --> 01:33:25,470
and present it to this group of citizens in the neighborhood? I think that's the type of detail. How

867
01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:37,160
are you going to get traffic into and out of the marina without putting traffic in the lower end of

868
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:43,720
Pensacola, South Shore or Roanoke? That's what they don't want.

869
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:52,760
And that, and that was where my question. Because when the, when I saw the picture of the buffering

870
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:58,040
around that piece of property, that's the reason I was asking, where is the access? Are they going

871
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:02,920
to have access off of Pensacola? Are they going to go down Roanoke? That was the reason I was

872
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:07,880
asking, and I certainly agree with what you just said, but I don't think that's the plan of the

873
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:14,920
developer that they want to use that for access. They've got to redo the buffer plan in order to

874
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:20,905
make that work. But because you got to drive through what was the buffer to get into the rest of

875
01:34:20,905 --> 01:34:27,320
the parking lot. I don't think that's what they want. That little travel trailer I understood

876
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:34,600
was a sales office, you know, type of thing. You know, maybe have a few snacks in there or

877
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:42,920
something. But it. It was never intended to be, as somebody said, a camper trailer

878
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:51,010
parking lot. So. So what I'm gathering is figure out a way to engineer it so that there's no access

879
01:34:51,170 --> 01:34:57,890
in there from Roanoke Avenue. That part. Part gets closed off and the upper end of Pensacola. But.

880
01:34:57,890 --> 01:35:05,010
But if I could interject you. You have. They have that now. The marina has access. You can't take

881
01:35:05,010 --> 01:35:15,100
that away. Okay, yeah. Roanoke is their access. And I don't know. And you're right, you can't take

882
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:22,780
that away. But if it was opened up on that. That's an alternative. You can have an alternative. You

883
01:35:22,780 --> 01:35:30,100
open the lock and make it attractive for it to be the primary. You certainly can do that if the

884
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:38,740
rezoning. That is within our requirements, within our allowance. And now whether is intended or not, I.

885
01:35:38,900 --> 01:35:45,380
And I'm sure y' all have seen this, the way I look at this is what they see improved access to

886
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:52,140
Pelletier Creek Marina. Marina. I'll talk in a minute. Better access to marina facilities and the

887
01:35:52,140 --> 01:35:59,020
waterfront. To me, that's saying opening that up as an entrance exit. And I see some head shaking

888
01:35:59,020 --> 01:36:08,010
out there. Well, I certainly agree with Emily and her friend. Excuse me for me not remembering.

889
01:36:09,930 --> 01:36:16,930
That traffic on the other end of Pensacola, where most of the small kids and family and walking

890
01:36:16,930 --> 01:36:27,650
takes place. We should try to keep that road free and clear. They're too narrow and too I guess,

891
01:36:27,650 --> 01:36:28,490
right. Too cramped.

892
01:36:31,780 --> 01:36:43,380
So that's my suggestion that we ask Ron and the group to again meet with the owners with a full

893
01:36:43,460 --> 01:36:54,790
direct diagram of how they're going to get traffic in and out with the minimum of intrusion in to

894
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:55,790
Pensacola,

895
01:36:57,470 --> 01:37:03,550
Roanoke and South Shore. Are you making a motion to reopen the public hearing and continuing until

896
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:11,590
next month? Right. Okay. All right. So condition that they would also meet with the neighbors. You

897
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:17,310
know, if you don't communicate, it ain't going to do any good. I agree. I will bring up one thing

898
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:23,980
that's important to you. The proposal before you is conditional zoning to allow them to do

899
01:37:23,980 --> 01:37:30,020
anything that they have not eliminated from that zone. You're now asking for a specific site plan

900
01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:35,740
which is not something that they have actually provided. So what we're talking about, the hearing

901
01:37:35,740 --> 01:37:41,460
tonight, has to be on what has been proposed unless they come back with a different plan than what

902
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:42,780
you have before you tonight.

903
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:48,630
Thank you, Mr. Attorney. So what is your solution to accomplish that?

904
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:51,270
I.

905
01:37:53,110 --> 01:37:58,390
There is no solution. What you have before you tonight is what you have before you tonight. That's

906
01:37:58,390 --> 01:38:04,990
right. It is a conditional request because they have eliminated things from the list of things they

907
01:38:04,990 --> 01:38:10,910
could do if it were not conditional. But what you have before you is they can do anything that is

908
01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:17,960
remaining on that list. And how they do it is entirely up to them. So what you want is what you

909
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:23,160
want, but what you got is what you got. So the picture that Mr. Cullipher presented a while ago with that

910
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,320
buffer around it, that's the issue that's on the table tonight. He's going to. He's going to put

911
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:33,520
that buffer around that property, and they're going to come down Pensacola, Roanoke Avenue, and they're

912
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:39,170
going to access the marina property. You do, I think. Yes. Please, you step forward, Mr. Cullipher.

913
01:38:39,170 --> 01:38:44,770
Yeah. Please, please put that picture, the one that you. Because I don't have it. I don't have that

914
01:38:44,770 --> 01:38:50,770
picture. Just for clarity, that's what our ordinance requires unless it's modified. Yes, sir, but I

915
01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:52,410
don't have. Where's the clicker at?

916
01:38:54,730 --> 01:38:55,370
Yes, sir.

917
01:38:56,890 --> 01:38:57,530
This is the landscape strip. Yes, sir.

918
01:39:00,330 --> 01:39:03,310
Okay.

919
01:39:07,460 --> 01:39:11,900
Mr. Cullipher, can you put that picture? If you can repeat that for the record so we have it. Yes.

920
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:18,260
Can you put that picture back up there? Sandy? She's going there. Yep. Right. Okay. All right. So.

921
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:27,220
So the access on Pensacola is proposed. The green there is actually a landscape strip, not a buffer.

922
01:39:27,380 --> 01:39:31,160
There is a note on there that says the driveway is proposed. And that would break that. That

923
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,680
buffer up wherever the driveway ends up being planned. Yes, sir.

924
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:46,680
Can you draw that somehow? Yes, sir. I mean, I think if that's what helps solve the confusion, you

925
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:53,400
know, developing a parking plan, a circulation plan. I'm looking for my clients. We can do that.

926
01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:56,130
Yes, Client saying.

927
01:40:06,770 --> 01:40:12,690
Should be right to be determined. It was to be determined with a plan that has not been developed.

928
01:40:12,690 --> 01:40:16,770
And what you're asking is to develop that plan. And you can do that. We can do that.

929
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:20,700
We do it.

930
01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:29,460
I think question becomes is, can we continue this and provide that, or do we got to go all the way

931
01:40:29,460 --> 01:40:33,420
back to the beginning, which is what kept us here for three months already?

932
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:41,340
I'm going to ask the planning director. She has a shortcut, but I don't know what that shortcut

933
01:40:41,340 --> 01:40:48,990
would be because now we're taking to a specific plan from options. It's a conditional

934
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:55,510
zoning sketch. Conditional zoning plan being modified as requested by the council. That's it. I

935
01:40:55,510 --> 01:41:02,110
mean, that's exactly right. It's a conditional use. And. And we can set conditions with that

936
01:41:02,110 --> 01:41:07,910
conditional use of this council. I mean. You can. I feel like we've always done that before, and we

937
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:13,960
can certainly table it and put those conditions and see if the applicant will agree to them and

938
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:19,360
come back with. To At a. At the next council meeting. I believe you can do that. And. And we're

939
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:26,200
willing to do that. Okay. All right. Well, then I will make the motion that we table this with the

940
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:30,800
conditions that we've said to see if the applicant will agree and bring them back at the next

941
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,040
council meeting. I'll make that in the form of a motion. I'm going to ask the question that we asked

942
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:40,240
before, and that is, do you want to have more of a hearing or are you through the hearings? You just

943
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:47,240
want to see the plan? I. I think we need to have a hearing in case someone wants speak. I would agree to

944
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:53,480
continue the public hearing. So that way, when they bring. When they bring the changes back, if the

945
01:41:53,480 --> 01:41:58,320
applicant agrees, when they bring them back, that gives the, the adjoining property owners an

946
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:03,970
opportunity to speak. Well, like you did before, the motion should be to reopen the hearing and

947
01:42:03,970 --> 01:42:09,490
continue it to the next meeting, at which time you'll get a presentation from the applicant about

948
01:42:09,490 --> 01:42:15,530
what their plan is. Okay, Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we reopen the public hearing. Okay. Motion

949
01:42:15,530 --> 01:42:21,570
made by Mayor Pro Tem Ballou. Seconded by Councilmember Harvey Walker. May I ask for an amendment? Yes, sir.

950
01:42:23,890 --> 01:42:32,250
I love the idea that we're going to postpone it. We're going to come back. I would only

951
01:42:32,490 --> 01:42:41,130
ask that we amend the motion to stipulate that in the interim, they meet with the surrounding

952
01:42:41,130 --> 01:42:50,410
property owners they've already met with and go over the diagram so they've had time to absorb it.

953
01:42:51,210 --> 01:42:56,740
And then we come to a meeting that don't have that many questions because they should have

954
01:42:56,740 --> 01:43:04,500
communicated to each other, neighbors and owner. I don't have a problem. Are you okay with that,

955
01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:12,220
Harvey? I mean. I'm good with that. Yes. So now there's a motion to amend the motion. Yeah. I'm trying to think of

956
01:43:12,220 --> 01:43:19,000
whether you. The motion that was made was to reopen the hearing. Now, nobody has continued it, but,

957
01:43:19,150 --> 01:43:27,350
I was going to put it all into one motion. That is to reopen the hearing, continue it to the

958
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:34,070
next meeting, and in the meantime, instruct the developer to have a meeting with the folks that are

959
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:38,790
affected. Yes, sir. Let them decide. All right. So moved. You restate. Is that all right with you,

960
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:47,100
Harvey? Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. So motion made by Mayor Pro Ballou. Seconded by Councilmember Harvey

961
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:52,780
Walker. Any discussion on this motion? Okay, hearing no discussion. All in favor, indicate by

962
01:43:52,780 --> 01:44:00,656
raising your hand. It's unanimous. So that public hearing is now reopened until our September 8th

963
01:44:00,744 --> 01:44:09,500
council meeting of the rezoning of 202 Pensacola Avenue. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you, Ron. Item

964
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:18,550
number 4D rezoning a portion of 101 and 105 Gloria Dawn Road and four adjacent unaddressed parcels.

965
01:44:18,630 --> 01:44:19,270
Sandy.

966
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:32,470
The Cullipher Group on behalf of Bridges Park One LLC requests rezoning of a 19.34 acre portion of

967
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:38,210
six tracks from highway commercial and industrial to PD planned development. The request includes

968
01:44:38,210 --> 01:44:44,890
approval of a sketch development plan for a maximum of 310 dwelling units. The applicant also

969
01:44:44,890 --> 01:44:50,410
requests a future land use map amendment from Industrial and Commercial Corridor to Mixed Use Center.

970
01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:56,730
That amendment is relevant to this rezoning presentation but will be formally considered under item

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4E

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should the council approve the item. The aerial shows the project area near the intersection of

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Gloria Dawn Road and Bridges Street Extension. The six tracks contain approximately 23.3 acres in

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total. 19 acres are proposed for the planned development as shown in the hatched blue. The survey

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delineates the portion proposed for PD zoning. Approximately 4 acres shown in yellow would remain in

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the Highway Commercial District. Project is partly within the corporate limits and partly within the

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city's ETJ and the applicant has agreed to annex the remaining ETJ portion as a condition of

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approval.

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The five parcels nearest Gloria Dawn Road are currently zoned Highway Commercial and a larger tract

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01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:51,200
set back from the road is zoned Industrial. The surrounding area contains a mix of commercial,

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01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:57,710
industrial, office, residential and manufacturing home development. The property is located within

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the Northwest Neighborhood Planning area and the current future land use map identifies the project

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area as Industrial and Commercial Corridor.

984
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The applicant has requested the area be redesignated as Mixed Use Center. Any amendment will be

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formally considered under item 4E if the rezoning request is approved. These are the allowable uses

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permitted in special in the Highway Commercial district and this is all in your agenda packet and

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the table shows the uses currently available under the Industrial designation

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For this project, the proposed uses would be limited to multi family dwellings, two family

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dwellings, accessory uses and amenities and signage. This is the sketch development plan. The

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01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:53,760
proposal contains a maximum of 310 units at a density of approximately 16 units per acre. The plan

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provides 3.63 acres of open space exceeding the 3.56 acres required and provides the required 670

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parking spaces. A public street is proposed from Gloria Dawn Road to the development entrance.

993
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Internal drives would be private. The rear connection adjoining the Creek Fever Subdivision to the

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01:47:12,810 --> 01:47:17,570
west is proposed to remain locked and available only for emergency access.

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Staff proposed and the applicant agreed to a condition requiring a traffic impact analysis with the

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Site Development Master Plan. The TIA would evaluate the project's anticipated traffic and its

997
01:47:30,650 --> 01:47:36,250
effects on access points, nearby roads and intersections and identify any improvements recommended

998
01:47:36,250 --> 01:47:42,110
through the subsequent review process. This is the first of four phases in the plan development

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process. Rezoning and Sketch Development Plan that's the phase we're at currently. Site Development

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Master Plan should this phase be approved is next and then preliminary and final plat. Sketch plan

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01:47:53,950 --> 01:47:59,550
establishes the general development pattern. Detailed engineering and final compliance review occur

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later in the process. If the rezoning and and sketch plan are approved, the applicant must obtain

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the additional state, federal and local permits shown on the screen during subsequent review. These

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include stormwater, erosion and sedimentation control, wetlands and water quality approvals, NCDOT

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access approval and water and sewer extension approvals.

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The applicant has preliminarily agreed to see six conditions shown on the screen. In summary, they

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limit the permitted uses and amenities, cap the development at 310 units, require a compliant

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lighting plan, require wastewater system capacity improvements identified by public services,

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require annexation of the remaining ETJ area and require submission of a traffic impact analysis

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with the Site Development Master Plan.

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The hearing was advertised, abutting property owners were notified and the site was posted in

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accordance with applicable requirements and no public inquiries were received by planning staff. No

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one spoke in opposition to the item during the Planning Board meeting. Planning Board voted

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unanimously to recommend approval of the rezoning and the sketch development plan subject to the six

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conditions on the previous screen and adopted resolution 20260007. The Planning Board also

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recommended approval of an associated future land use map amendment which council may consider under

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item E. That concludes my report. Thank you, Sandy. Does the council have any questions for Sandy?

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None of this time. Okay, thank you. Public hearing is now open.

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Anyone out in the audience wants to get up and speak in favor of this rezoning or in opposition?

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Yes, sir. State your name and address. Good evening council. My name is Chase Cullipher, Project

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Manager with The Cullipher Group. I'm located at 151A NC Highway 24 in Morehead City.

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I'm here on behalf of my client and I just wanted to

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illustrate that there's a mix of uses in this here development. We have townhomes, we have what's

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called a carriage house where there's garages underneath and then living units on top. And then

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we have four story apartment complex buildings. These four story buildings will have elevators which

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is a rare product here in in the apartment community in Morehead City.

1027
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There were conditions as Sandy just listed before about capacity improvements to the wastewater

1028
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system, which I think we're working towards currently.

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And the TIA, which I know is kind of a big deal as far as traffic at Gloria Dawn. I mean I live

1030
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here. I know that traffic can be dense at Glory Dawn during certain times of day.

1031
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We originally, before submitting to the town or city actually reached out to NCDOT and submitted

1032
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this very plan just in anticipation of what they may or may not want to see. And while it wasn't an

1033
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official application, they did say that a TIA would be warranted on their behalf as well and that

1034
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they would anticipate some significant improvements in that area. When he listed out would be a high

1035
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probability of roadway improvements consisting of left and right turn lanes, median islands and

1036
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restricted movements driveways. This would be a proactive measure in preparation for the current

1037
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additional traffic in this area. And it would pretty much be a complete road widening with dedicated

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center turn lane going left north off of Bridges Street and then a dedicated right turn lane coming

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01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:49,510
south down Glory Dawn accessing the property.

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I believe one of the other major issues that came up was this becoming going from industrial

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property to a mixed use center land classification. And I know that there's parts of the city that

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probably have a desire for more industry, but there's also a big need for housing. And there's 310

1043
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units of one, two and three bedroom mix in this at different price points. Would be market rate but

1044
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with the buildings being four stories,

1045
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they call it verticality. I don't know if that's a real word, but it allows a

1046
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lower construction cost per unit by going up to four floors as opposed to two or three.

1047
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And we also are kind of looking at this area in general as, it's

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kind of in the development community, it's understood that industry and business will kind of follow

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behind residential development.

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And we kind of see this as an opportunity to provide more workforce housing that's adjacent to some

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industry. It is kind of located on a corner of the industrious area in a manner that's not centrally

1052
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located. It's closer to commercial and schools and parks and other public resources and,

1053
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I think would be a good transition between the neighborhoods and. And then into that light

1054
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industrial stuff that's there that's kind of visible from the intersection of 70 and Highway 24 now.

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I'd be willing to answer any questions. I have a question, Mayor. Yes, Chase. Can you repeat again

1056
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what the DOT I heard you say wide widening of Gloria Dawn. So. So. And you also said a turning lane

1057
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on Gloria Dawn. Can you repeat what you said? Yes, sir. So the specific response from Dwayne Smith

1058
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with DOT was a high probability of roadway improvement will be required up to but not limited to

1059
01:53:53,680 --> 01:54:00,440
left and right turn lanes, median islands, restricted movement driveways, et cetera. So if you were

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coming west on Bridges Street Extension and you wanted to turn right or north onto Gloria Dawn and

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then make a left into this project, there will be a center turn lane that is dedicated to that, kind

1062
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of like if you were going to Friendly Market off the Friendly Road. So if you're going west, then

1063
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you're going to turn on Gloria Dawn and then you're going to have a center turn lane to go in this

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project to prevent from queuing of traffic back and out into Bridge Street. Yes, sir.

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How wide is it. Is there another it was there anything else besides. Well, it was an unofficial

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response because we hadn't actually applied. And with this being the sketch process and it being a

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condition from the city and from DOT, we're hoping to be able to move forward from sketch review

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with an approval from you today and then pursue those, those answers. He. Excuse me. They're saying

1069
01:54:55,980 --> 01:55:01,340
that they're seeing this as what you may need to have done. They haven't committed to doing it,

1070
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right. My client has committed to doing whatever is required by the city and NCDOT. They're aware

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that there would be significant infrastructure improvements and they're willing to pay for it. Okay,

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now my question is I use that road quite often. How far are you going to be off of Bridges Street for

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01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:22,370
you all to turn left? Because you're saying you're going to have a,

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you're going to have a lane that you're going to have be able to turn in. And I mean I didn't

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measure it, but I believe it's a couple hundred feet. But a typical queuing would be like a, you

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01:55:39,250 --> 01:55:46,150
know, 50 to 100 storage lane and then like a 50 to 100 foot taper. So you're saying about 100 feet?

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That I'm looking at that entrance right there. Councilman Walker, speak into the mic.

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You're saying that

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it's a hundred feet from your entrance, which I think that entrance is where you've got. That's

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colored in blue, right? Yes, sir. Sorry. So you're saying that's about a hundred feet from Bridges

1081
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Street? I believe it's further than that. I believe that the, the improvement for stacking of cars

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would be at least 100ft. So you're going to. But you're status Wayne at Wayne Drive is right There.

1083
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When I turn that corner, I'm almost at Wayne Drive. So you're saying you're, you're, you're this

1084
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side of Wayne Drive. So I'm saying for you to, so you're saying when we make that turn off of

1085
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Bridges, you're going to have a, another lane. In other words, they're going to widen Gloria Dawn.

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They would widen it two lanes worth. And so you would have the center turn lane. So it would be a

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01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:49,830
through lane going north, a dedicated left turn lane in the middle, through lane going south, and

1088
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:55,590
then a dedicated turn lane going south. Right. So it, it would double the width of the road and have

1089
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queuing and tapers suitable to what the TIA results say.

1090
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Okay. Now, okay, so DOT has not committed to doing this. This is something that they have to do. Or

1091
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:14,240
do you do. We, we would do it if they require it. So they would take the TIA, they would make their

1092
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:18,200
recommendations and then they would say if you want to get a driveway permit, these are the

1093
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:23,200
improvements you have to make. Okay. Our client is responsible. So you're saying it's going to be 300

1094
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:32,730
units, 600 parking spaces because you're anticipating 600. That's the ordinance requirements. Okay.

1095
01:57:36,730 --> 01:57:41,690
I understand it's tight, but we're trying to get through sketch plan. I think when we, if we, if we

1096
01:57:41,690 --> 01:57:46,370
could, you know, humbly request your approval tonight, we would be able to move forward and get that

1097
01:57:46,370 --> 01:57:51,050
information and we'd be able to come back to you guys in the future with what DOT recommends.

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So go. Councilman Walker, can I ask? Yeah. So you're, so you're saying four lanes. It's going, it's two lanes now.

1099
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Right. So we're going to go four lanes. Correct. Well, preliminary, you're here so that, so when you

1100
01:58:06,540 --> 01:58:13,340
turn off, when you turn, when you're coming west, you can continue going on Gloria Dawn. There's a

1101
01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:19,540
continuous road going lane. Without, without. Okay. And then you've got a lane that's going to be

1102
01:58:19,540 --> 01:58:25,340
designated to turn in this project. Specifically for this project. Not all the way through, just all

1103
01:58:25,340 --> 01:58:31,660
the way through. And then if you're going south, you've got a designated turning lane that will be

1104
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going west. Yes. And then you've got a designated lane that would be straight if you're going either

1105
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:40,660
way, correct? Yes, sir.

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Councilman Taylor, did you have a question? Well, we have to remember that in order for the DOT

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to do, to do the design engineering for what Chase is describing, we need to make a decision to pass

1108
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:17,370
this project to take it to the next step. So if we number one think that we need housing in our

1109
01:59:17,370 --> 01:59:26,210
community and we need to offer a variety housing at different price points. This is an opportunity

1110
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to add 300 units. That's a big project. In addition, we have talked about we would love the

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opportunity

1112
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to gain more citizens and reduce the property rate for all of Morehead. Picking up 300 folks at one

1113
01:59:51,340 --> 01:59:54,780
time at a substantial increase

1114
01:59:56,300 --> 02:00:05,800
in property tax roll. This is an opportunity to do that. Yeah, so you said advantages are to add

1115
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:12,200
to workforce housing that's needed in Morehead City and to increase the tax base. But to get it started

1116
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:23,280
it has to pass step one. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is step one. Mayor I'm just going to say you

1117
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guys are getting in an awful lot of discussion. We're still in the public hearing. We might want to

1118
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:32,480
finish the public hearing. I mean you everything you just said was absolutely correct and

1119
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:37,280
intelligent. But we're still in the public hearing. Collect the information and then get into

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because I have. Anybody else have any questions for Chase? I got a couple more questions. Sure.

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Chase, you understand it? I, you know the traffic stacks, it backs up. Yes, sir. There's no

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way for it to get on Bridges Street.

1123
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I've been there. I usually the road a lot. I mean I've seen eight or ten cars backed up there. I see

1124
02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:05,370
concrete trucks backed up there. Right. Rock trucks. So is there any discussion with DOT of how

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we're going to get the traffic moving and to be able to get them on Bridges Street? So I don't want

1126
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to speculate that that could trigger further DOT involvement on Bridges street extension. But it is

1127
02:01:19,530 --> 02:01:27,010
a possibility where something like this creates where they would look into alternative things in the

1128
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general area. But the TIA would be kind of the starting point for that. Is there is there a

1129
02:01:34,450 --> 02:01:38,610
possibility of diverting traffic to keep it from going to Bridges Street Extension to a different

1130
02:01:38,610 --> 02:01:44,170
direction? I mean there is a possibility where it gets cycled in a different way. I mean if it goes

1131
02:01:44,170 --> 02:01:49,520
to Gloria Dawn to Business Drive or if goes up and turns around and we all know that the Business

1132
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:55,200
Drive Extension Extension, you know, has been in discussion for some time. There's no current plan

1133
02:01:55,200 --> 02:02:01,680
for it. But you know, things like this would drive what those results would be. Right. I mean I

1134
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:08,760
understand we, we need this project and, and I'm not against this project. I want this project to

1135
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happen. But I do understand and I think you, you understand the problem that we're going to create

1136
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here and we've got a problem with traffic and whether it's directional of getting traffic to go a

1137
02:02:22,850 --> 02:02:29,850
different direction. But if you've got eight or 10 cars that are they're backed up on Gloria Dawn

1138
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and they cannot get out of Bridges Street and you've got them backed in your project, we got a problem.

1139
02:02:36,490 --> 02:02:42,500
Understand. And there's got to be some kind of discussion of either diverting traffic to go a

1140
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:49,420
different direction or how we're going to get the traffic that's already on Gloria Dawn and then the

1141
02:02:49,420 --> 02:02:54,580
traffic that's going to be generated by 600 vehicles, how we're going to get them on Bridges Street.

1142
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That has been my concern since I've seen this project and I understand that we've got to approve

1143
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this to get DOT moving on it, but I'm very concerned with what, with how the DOT is going to

1144
02:03:10,350 --> 02:03:16,190
respond to us. One more quick question for you. Have they talked to you about traffic lights or

1145
02:03:16,190 --> 02:03:23,070
anything like that? No, sir. Again, I requested a preliminary review of what they thought would

1146
02:03:23,070 --> 02:03:29,360
happen and their response was substantial improvements that I listed before. I think Mr. Ballou

1147
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:35,760
brought up a good point because at any time of day, not trying, coming off a Gloria Dawn, you're

1148
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:41,920
sitting there maybe five or ten minutes waiting for you to merge onto Bridges Street. You know what

1149
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:49,240
you're saying now you're going to put potentially 600 cars there and they're going to be trying to

1150
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:56,930
merge onto Bridges Street. I'm just saying I like the project but please don't underestimate the

1151
02:03:56,930 --> 02:04:05,130
congestion that can be generated at that intersection. It's a busy intersection. My office on 24, my

1152
02:04:05,130 --> 02:04:12,090
daughter goes Morehead Middle. I drive past it every morning at rush hour. I'm aware and I'd be

1153
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interested to see what the results are and what the potential. The thing we need to remember

1154
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is that we have to talked about Bridges Street Extension for what seems like 10 years. For a long,

1155
02:04:27,940 --> 02:04:31,820
long time. You got another question for him? Because we could talk about that when y'all do y'all

1156
02:04:31,820 --> 02:04:36,300
discussion. We got to move on in the public hearing. Yeah, we're still in public. If you don't

1157
02:04:36,300 --> 02:04:38,020
interrupt me, I'll try to do that.

1158
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Can you do that?

1159
02:04:45,780 --> 02:04:54,580
When you get this projects built, you are increasing the probability because they can see more

1160
02:04:54,580 --> 02:05:02,980
traffics being added. They've got to make the decisions that they haven't made yet to pull Bridges

1161
02:05:03,059 --> 02:05:11,780
Street forward in the construction plan. That's another reason we need this project. It's going to

1162
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help us put additional emphasis in getting Bridges Street approval and getting the intersections

1163
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coming down Bridges Street revamped. So now I'll shut. Are you finished? We done lost somebody. Thank

1164
02:05:29,230 --> 02:05:32,830
you, Chase. Yes, sir. You're welcome. Yeah. Is there anybody else in the audience that wants to get

1165
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:36,750
up and speak in favor or in opposition? Yes, sir. You state your name. Address.

1166
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:49,280
Scott Maddox, 5101 Business Drive. I'm not for or against, but if y'all seen the proposal for the

1167
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:55,480
Bridge Street Extension, it goes right through this property. And I was just concerned about what would be

1168
02:05:55,480 --> 02:06:03,320
the redirection or, or whatever if this is developed. But I'm not for or against it. Just that's

1169
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:08,930
only concern I have is how the project can be done, the extension can be done if it's supposed to go

1170
02:06:08,930 --> 02:06:12,450
through this property. I didn't hear what you. So. Okay, now I think I understand. I didn't hear

1171
02:06:12,450 --> 02:06:19,250
what you first said. That that's one of the diagrams that DOT put out about a potential area. And I

1172
02:06:19,250 --> 02:06:24,570
think all those business owners out there realize that at some point their property is going to be

1173
02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:32,880
touched. Yes. So yeah, if we, if we taking this concern. That's only the question. But if, if that

1174
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:42,560
building gets built first, DOT is required to accommodate it. And it's up to them. Well, it's up to

1175
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:50,920
them to go around it or whatever to make accommodations. All right, is there anyone else in the

1176
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:55,700
audience? Let's speak in favor and opposition of this rezoning request.

1177
02:06:59,220 --> 02:07:00,980
Okay, sir. State your name and address.

1178
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:11,060
My name is Ralph Nitt. 5010 Business Drive in Morehead City.

1179
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:19,940
I've had property back at the industrial park for quite a few years. Watched a lot of development

1180
02:07:20,100 --> 02:07:27,590
that has happened in and around our area, which I'll call the Industrial park our area for

1181
02:07:27,590 --> 02:07:29,150
the sake of this conversation.

1182
02:07:30,990 --> 02:07:36,910
I've seen the Bridges Street Extension be put in. I've seen probably one of the worst intersections

1183
02:07:36,910 --> 02:07:42,430
I've ever seen the DOT create at Highway 24 and 70.

1184
02:07:44,030 --> 02:07:47,320
and Bridges Street Extension. It's is just dangerous.

1185
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:57,960
Traffic cutoff, shortcuts. That's what Bridges Street Extension has really become. I'm all for

1186
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:00,120
development, don't get me wrong, but

1187
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:07,360
it's a dangerous road. You know, there's a lot of kids on bicycles that are out riding on Gloria

1188
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:09,240
Dawn. They might be on Business Drive.

1189
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:11,740
I just hate to see

1190
02:08:13,730 --> 02:08:22,130
fatalities. Anyone get hurt just for the sake of developing a piece of property to put homes in.

1191
02:08:23,890 --> 02:08:30,290
I think homes are needed in Morehead City and land is definitely scarce. They're not making any more

1192
02:08:30,290 --> 02:08:39,480
of it. But I know back before the port even bought that property. It was laid out many, many years

1193
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:48,680
ago. The roads were cut, power lines were put in, phone boxes were added and then that was abandoned

1194
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:56,320
to accommodate the port for future use, which didn't happen. And I guess it was sold off, broken up

1195
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:57,000
into pieces.

1196
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:05,670
It would be really interesting to see what they would do with the Bridges Street Extension Extension

1197
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:08,070
and how that would accommodate

1198
02:09:10,230 --> 02:09:16,310
the whole area because ingress and egress is never, never fun.

1199
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:25,790
The reason I was late for tonight's meeting is because I had to pull out of there and that's the

1200
02:09:25,790 --> 02:09:35,120
reason I leave 15 or 20 minutes early when I leave my shop to go anywhere. So I guess a minimum of 315

1201
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:42,000
units, you know, with the cars and people that are in them.

1202
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,880
I mean I say, I say safety first. And,

1203
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:59,210
But just wanted to share my comments and thoughts about what I see every day and what I continue to

1204
02:09:59,210 --> 02:09:59,530
see.

1205
02:10:01,050 --> 02:10:08,570
Hopefully it'll be some good decisions made for the benefit of Morehead City. And I appreciate my 3

1206
02:10:08,570 --> 02:10:15,410
minute time. Thank you. Thank you, sir. All righty. Thank you. Is there anyone else? Do I need to

1207
02:10:15,410 --> 02:10:23,580
sign that? Okay. Okay. So seeing or hearing no one else? Public hearing is now closed. Council

1208
02:10:24,380 --> 02:10:32,100
remember that? Well, I was just going to make one comment that I'm not. It's not going to be a long

1209
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:43,100
comment. It could be what Mr. Cullipher was talking about with the state, the DOT that may get them

1210
02:10:43,100 --> 02:10:45,020
and I think Bill alluded to this

1211
02:10:46,540 --> 02:10:54,110
about the Bridges Street Extension Extension is that they may say, wow, you know, maybe we need to

1212
02:10:54,110 --> 02:11:02,470
look at where is the best entrance for that. I don't know. But at least I think the, I think it's

1213
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:12,190
what the conversation is going to start and it seems like that the developer is obviously is willing

1214
02:11:12,190 --> 02:11:13,110
to do what it takes.

1215
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:21,080
And I've traveled that road many a time too, but you know, I just understand it is what it is. And

1216
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:28,000
if I feel like I needed to go east, sometimes I go west to go east because, you know, there's

1217
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:32,120
different ways of getting where you need to get. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You know, if

1218
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:37,040
anybody else has anything to say, I'm ready. Mr. Mayor, can I ask either the manager or the attorney a

1219
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:48,280
question? Yes. Do we have any, any input with DOT when they come back as far as traffic patterns or

1220
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:54,400
what they're recommending? Do we have any influence? On state roads, the state obviously has a final

1221
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:01,160
say, but they typically want and desire local input whenever development and redevelopment and

1222
02:12:01,160 --> 02:12:08,370
traffic patterns are revisited through the normal processes. Yes. I think we'll have

1223
02:12:08,370 --> 02:12:15,410
input whether we are effective in that enough to make a difference. We'll see. Time will tell. Yeah.

1224
02:12:15,410 --> 02:12:25,650
Yeah. I mean, I, I like the project. I know we need the housing. I just don't. I just think if DOT

1225
02:12:25,650 --> 02:12:35,810
does not come in and do some significant changes to that intersection and that traffic pattern, that

1226
02:12:35,810 --> 02:12:43,730
we're putting people in jeopardy. Well, I would tend to agree that one thing I would say is this

1227
02:12:43,730 --> 02:12:50,810
project. Put it out of your mind for a moment. That area needs addressing. It doesn't have anything

1228
02:12:50,810 --> 02:12:57,940
to do with this project because this project can be commercial industrial tomorrow with permits and

1229
02:12:57,940 --> 02:13:03,740
they go to work and we may see a we would see a substantial increase in traffic that's going to

1230
02:13:03,740 --> 02:13:09,660
exacerbate the existing conditions, make it worse, particularly if it's more truck traffic. Not to

1231
02:13:09,660 --> 02:13:15,620
pick on trucks, but we want economic development. But the reality is any development that occurs on

1232
02:13:15,620 --> 02:13:22,860
Business Drive that's going east is primarily going to come this route and that needs addressing

1233
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:29,940
regardless of this rezoning. So. But this rezoning could be commercial, and I think it could be

1234
02:13:29,940 --> 02:13:38,460
developed and substantially impact the same things. And it should be addressed through a traffic

1235
02:13:38,460 --> 02:13:44,900
impact study, which might not be required by DOT for a driveway permit there for a commercial. We

1236
02:13:44,900 --> 02:13:50,670
don't know, because that is a different process. It's not a rezoning because it's already zoned,

1237
02:13:50,670 --> 02:13:57,750
unless they want to change something. But I do think there's opportunities for us to revisit that

1238
02:13:57,830 --> 02:14:00,070
area with DOT,

1239
02:14:01,670 --> 02:14:08,710
but it would help us to have this project on the table, to get them to the table and focus on it,

1240
02:14:08,710 --> 02:14:14,470
because it's going to be impactful, as several commissioners have pointed out. Of course, that's not

1241
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:20,140
going to happen overnight. It's. It would be likely a phase development based on market conditions

1242
02:14:20,140 --> 02:14:27,180
and demand for the housing. But assuming it was, you're talking about a few years before it would be

1243
02:14:27,180 --> 02:14:35,140
built out, which gives us ample opportunity to work with DOT to look at this end of future Bridges

1244
02:14:35,140 --> 02:14:41,660
Street Extension Extension, whatever you call it, needs to be addressed now, not 10 years from now

1245
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:49,080
in terms of planning for the traffic patterns going towards Gloria Dawn, Vashti,

1246
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:59,800
Riggs, Wayne, all of those streets, even Country Club Road, to some extent, need to be revisited.

1247
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:06,920
And even if we don't have immediate plans, as we don't with DOT for the future Bridges Street

1248
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:15,170
Extension Extension, we can have a plan for this area and DOT could begin to consider funding that

1249
02:15:15,170 --> 02:15:24,290
would address the traffic issues in there long before that final project gets built, but it could be

1250
02:15:24,290 --> 02:15:31,570
built in a way that would accommodate the future. So I think that's a high priority for the city to

1251
02:15:31,570 --> 02:15:35,100
work with DOT to get done and this project

1252
02:15:36,620 --> 02:15:43,460
helps bring them to the table in a more immediate fashion. So I would advocate that we make that a

1253
02:15:43,460 --> 02:15:48,820
priority for the city. I know from administrative standpoint, I've already looking at the plans that

1254
02:15:48,820 --> 02:15:53,740
were developed previously. They're helpful, but they would have to be revisited because as one

1255
02:15:53,740 --> 02:15:59,300
gentleman pointed out, this changes at least one of the options. But I'm not sure that an option

1256
02:15:59,300 --> 02:16:04,630
that extends it along the railroad right away and similar fashion to the existing Bridges Street

1257
02:16:04,630 --> 02:16:11,350
Extension is in long term best interest of Morehead City. I think something further north opens up

1258
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:19,190
more property for development and access and it allows us to preserve some properties along the

1259
02:16:19,190 --> 02:16:24,470
railroad right of way for industrial development that might need rail access. If you put a road

1260
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:30,230
through there, you're going to eliminate that. So I think that's worthy of consideration and we need

1261
02:16:30,230 --> 02:16:36,220
to present that to DOT and others and the economic development folks need to look at it.

1262
02:16:36,460 --> 02:16:44,660
But right now we need to focus on this end of the access and this project. Certainly I think there

1263
02:16:44,660 --> 02:16:52,060
are options that could eliminate part of the congestion there if we can work with DOT to get them

1264
02:16:52,060 --> 02:16:58,579
built. And that's what I hope Mr. Martin, you know, and I know there's probably some property

1265
02:16:58,579 --> 02:17:04,459
owners would not like to see it happen. But like you just said, I mean, DOT created this when they

1266
02:17:05,179 --> 02:17:12,259
designed Bridges Street Extension. And then you've got Wayne Drive, Riggs Road, Vashti. I mean

1267
02:17:12,259 --> 02:17:19,099
there, there's a lot that, that could be done. Maybe, maybe DOT could look at it and, and maybe

1268
02:17:19,179 --> 02:17:26,980
because again, there's got to be some, some different directional traffic patterns. If this project,

1269
02:17:27,220 --> 02:17:33,300
they cannot dump that traffic on Bridges Street Extension. There's no, they can't get out. They're

1270
02:17:33,300 --> 02:17:37,660
going to back traffic up. There's got to be a different direction for traffic. Yeah. And I think

1271
02:17:37,660 --> 02:17:43,500
it's reasonable for the DOT to require within their permitting for this particular proposed

1272
02:17:43,500 --> 02:17:50,260
development things like Chase just described, multi lanes, whatever. But that's not the long term

1273
02:17:50,590 --> 02:17:56,190
fix all for the whole area. And obviously this developer and this parcel shouldn't bear the burden

1274
02:17:56,190 --> 02:18:02,270
for the whole area. Yes. The whole area needs to be addressed in a grander fashion with DOT and the

1275
02:18:02,270 --> 02:18:03,950
city working together. Yes.

1276
02:18:06,670 --> 02:18:11,310
So is there a motion? Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor, I'm gonna make a motion that we adopt Ordinance

1277
02:18:11,310 --> 02:18:20,550
2020-0-13 to rezone a portion of 101 and 105 Gloria Dawn Road and four adjacent unaddressed

1278
02:18:20,550 --> 02:18:26,350
parcels. And I'm not going to forego. I'm going to forego reading those tax pin numbers

1279
02:18:27,870 --> 02:18:35,790
from commercial highway district and industrial district to plan development district and resolution

1280
02:18:35,790 --> 02:18:45,999
2026-R-49 of plan consistency in accordance with North Carolina General Statute 160D-604 for map

1281
02:18:45,999 --> 02:18:51,879
amendment. I'd second. Okay. Motion made by Councilmember Abell. Seconded by Councilmember

1282
02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:54,319
Taylor. Any discussion on this motion? Yes.

1283
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:58,959
Okay, go ahead. Councilmember Walker. I'll let you go first.

1284
02:19:02,079 --> 02:19:03,519
I'm, I'm torn

1285
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:08,159
because basically. Speak into the mic.

1286
02:19:10,890 --> 02:19:12,730
I travel that road.

1287
02:19:14,650 --> 02:19:15,770
When I look at this

1288
02:19:17,370 --> 02:19:18,010
layout,

1289
02:19:20,010 --> 02:19:23,970
if those people would try right now the way it is, and Randy, I hear what you're saying that the

1290
02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:25,130
problem is there right now.

1291
02:19:26,970 --> 02:19:33,050
Those people would not even be able to leave if they were trying to be to work at 8 o'clock. It

1292
02:19:33,050 --> 02:19:38,069
ain't happening. If you got 300 people in there trying to get out that, that the way it is, it is

1293
02:19:38,069 --> 02:19:45,349
not going to happen. And so I'm sitting here saying, how do we fix that? Because.

1294
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:56,869
That's where I'm torn because I want to develop it, but I'm sitting here saying,

1295
02:19:58,389 --> 02:20:05,180
how do we fix it? Are we going to set ourselves up for a situation that is not going to be fixable?

1296
02:20:06,700 --> 02:20:15,140
Because right now, as I say, I'm sitting here envisioning 300 units, 600 cars and that section where

1297
02:20:15,140 --> 02:20:20,420
he's saying 100ft, a little over 100ft, he's going to put a lane. Those people who are in the

1298
02:20:20,420 --> 02:20:22,380
apartment may not even be able to get on,

1299
02:20:23,900 --> 02:20:31,590
get out of the parking lot because so this is where I'm torn. And I understand. Okay.

1300
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:40,230
But, you got to give them the. But that's why I feel I'm going to have to vote with it because I think

1301
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:48,870
it's not their fault that this situation is there. But at the same time, we as a city need to sit

1302
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:54,970
here and realize that we need to move forward to prevent this problem. Because this is a

1303
02:20:54,970 --> 02:21:04,170
serious situation because you know, like Mr. Nitts had just previous said, trying to get out of that,

1304
02:21:04,410 --> 02:21:09,890
out of Gloria Dawn. You're sitting there waiting for the people that come across 24. And then you

1305
02:21:09,890 --> 02:21:16,410
try to get, get ahead of people that's coming out of Country Club and there's no light. And so it's

1306
02:21:16,410 --> 02:21:21,420
just like, so what did, what do you. The way they're beating it, people are pulling out there and

1307
02:21:21,420 --> 02:21:22,580
running in the middle lane

1308
02:21:24,260 --> 02:21:30,380
to try to get out there. So the next guy will be able to come and make a right hand turn. So I'm

1309
02:21:30,380 --> 02:21:30,900
just saying,

1310
02:21:32,900 --> 02:21:33,780
when this thing

1311
02:21:35,620 --> 02:21:45,630
is presented, please do not underestimate that, that, that intersection. Oh, it could be Harvey, Mr.

1312
02:21:45,630 --> 02:21:52,870
Walker. It, it could be Red Barn Road out on Highway 24. I believe that's the road that, you know

1313
02:21:52,870 --> 02:21:58,350
where I'm talking about, out towards Bogue. I believe it's Red Barn where the,

1314
02:22:00,430 --> 02:22:06,790
Anyhow, there's, when you come out of that, you can only turn right. You can only turn right,

1315
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:11,320
period. If you want to go back to the left and you got to travel down, yeah, they got a quarter of a

1316
02:22:11,320 --> 02:22:18,440
mile and then make a U turn, that's, that's where those bump outs are. Same way going in, you just

1317
02:22:18,440 --> 02:22:24,120
can't turn into Red Barn Road. You got to go down about a block to make a turn to get in there. You

1318
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:29,720
know, there could be something like that. Who knows? But unless it happens, DOT is not going to work

1319
02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:36,680
with it. And that's where I'm at. I'm the same way, Councilman. I am, I am, I'm torn. When I

1320
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:42,440
saw the project, I, I, I just, I just couldn't imagine of, of developing this property with

1321
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:46,320
additional. I couldn't, I couldn't. Well, we all know the 300 cars ain't gonna come out at the same

1322
02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:52,360
time. I understand, we all know. But again, if it takes a project like this to get DOT to the table,

1323
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:58,800
and I hear Mr. Martin, and I've heard Sandy, if it takes this project to get them to the table to

1324
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:07,090
see what we can do to make the whole area better, then I, I'm going to support. But, but everybody

1325
02:23:07,090 --> 02:23:13,410
here tonight has heard my concerns. I think Councilman Walker's concerned, Everyone's concerned. I

1326
02:23:13,410 --> 02:23:18,530
think Chase has heard our concerns. The developer has heard. Everyone has heard our concerns. And if

1327
02:23:18,530 --> 02:23:25,010
it takes approving this project to get DOT to the table to make the improvements, because again,

1328
02:23:25,410 --> 02:23:30,580
there is a problem now that needs to be addressed. The problem. We don't have to wait for the

1329
02:23:30,580 --> 02:23:37,620
problem. The problem is there. And Mr. Martin, you know that. So hopefully DOT will come to the

1330
02:23:37,620 --> 02:23:43,940
table and work with the developer and work with the city and we can improve the whole area. That's,

1331
02:23:43,940 --> 02:23:51,780
that is my prayer that it'll happen. One more question. When they do a traffic study, what will that

1332
02:23:51,780 --> 02:24:00,830
do? What would a traffic study do? Well, this traffic impact analysis. Chase can give us the formula

1333
02:24:00,830 --> 02:24:08,070
of how they do that, but I'm sure they're going to run scenarios based on typical traffic for these,

1334
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:14,870
how much this will add to the current situation. They'll analyze the traffic patterns and the counts

1335
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:20,930
currently and then project what the new development would add to it. So those would be some of the

1336
02:24:20,930 --> 02:24:26,290
elements. But I think that as was pointed out, DOT has already recognized that substantial

1337
02:24:26,290 --> 02:24:32,650
improvements are needed now. Well, they didn't say that, but substantial improvements, additional

1338
02:24:32,650 --> 02:24:38,250
improvements will be necessary as a result of this development. The other part of it, though, just

1339
02:24:38,250 --> 02:24:43,490
to expand on it, DOT doesn't typically, in my experience,

1340
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:54,240
act until they typically react. They don't take the initiative to do things that might be a need.

1341
02:24:54,480 --> 02:25:00,720
They're going to do it after it is a need. And I think traffic counts and all of that will increase

1342
02:25:01,039 --> 02:25:08,200
the likelihood of DOT paying attention more so than maybe they have. I think they're aware of some

1343
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:13,450
of the things, but unless you have something on the table that's going to show them new numbers that

1344
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:19,480
are going to increase the problem. They're, they're, the roads are designed to handle this current

1345
02:25:19,480 --> 02:25:25,680
traffic. It's just the way it's configured and all the different movements they've learned from it

1346
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:29,960
over the years with Bridges Street Extension. So I think that's some of the elements that'll be

1347
02:25:29,960 --> 02:25:31,760
included and probably a lot more.

1348
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:39,970
So can I ask one more? So, Mr. Martin, who drives, who drives this boat? Do we as, I mean as

1349
02:25:39,970 --> 02:25:46,770
the developer, or do we get involved with this as a city? I think both. Both. So, so we'll, we'll

1350
02:25:46,770 --> 02:25:54,330
work in tandem. Developer work on what's required to get a permit and what's tied to their project.

1351
02:25:54,730 --> 02:26:01,130
But obviously they're interested in this because if it's an unsafe, not a good situation and it's

1352
02:26:01,130 --> 02:26:06,500
negative, they're going to have a hard time marketing this property to residents. It's going to be

1353
02:26:06,500 --> 02:26:11,620
an adverse impact. So I think they're just as interested in a resolution and it could be other

1354
02:26:11,620 --> 02:26:17,820
resolutions we can certainly explore. But until they have the zoning, I understand their hesitancy

1355
02:26:17,820 --> 02:26:24,060
to invest additional dollars in planning for it and they may not get it. As Sandi pointed out,

1356
02:26:24,060 --> 02:26:29,740
though, this is not the final action. This is the first step of multi phase because of the planned

1357
02:26:29,740 --> 02:26:36,490
development, as you're well aware of, that's going to take a while. And so it gives us a window of

1358
02:26:36,490 --> 02:26:43,290
opportunity to work with DOT. But I think we need to initiate the discussion on the connectivity and

1359
02:26:43,290 --> 02:26:45,170
access of that whole area,

1360
02:26:46,850 --> 02:26:54,410
independent of their effort, but use their effort as a catalyst, if you will, to get DOT to take it

1361
02:26:54,410 --> 02:26:59,300
serious. And I hope we will Mr. Martin. Well, I intend to and Sandi and I have talked about about that

1362
02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:05,620
and I've talked to Bill who's chair of the county planning transportation committee of it could be

1363
02:27:05,620 --> 02:27:11,580
that we bring it to them whether there's other pots of money in DOT that could work on traffic

1364
02:27:11,580 --> 02:27:19,220
safety issues in this area, short of this, the impacts of this development. Okay, thank you. All

1365
02:27:19,220 --> 02:27:25,570
right, there's a motion on the floor. Yes. (unintelligible) any further discussion? All right. Hearing none.

1366
02:27:25,570 --> 02:27:32,850
All in favor with this motion, Indicate by raising your hand. It's unanimous. All right, item 4e,

1367
02:27:33,170 --> 02:27:37,170
land use plan for Radio Island and Gloria Dawn Road. Sandi.

1368
02:27:46,050 --> 02:27:53,810
A lot in that one. Okay. And this final item is the land use plan amendments. As a result of

1369
02:27:53,810 --> 02:28:03,970
annexing an additional area into our city limits. You can see currently the area is not shown on our

1370
02:28:03,970 --> 02:28:10,250
neighborhood planning area map over on Radio Island, but it's now in the city. And so the planning

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02:28:10,250 --> 02:28:15,610
board recommended that it come into the east neighborhood planning area. And that is consistent with

1372
02:28:15,610 --> 02:28:22,030
the rest of the of our jurisdiction over on Radio Island. In addition to that, then we've got the

1373
02:28:22,030 --> 02:28:30,590
future land use map. And Radio Island is all identified as port mixed use. And so the proposal is to

1374
02:28:30,590 --> 02:28:36,990
bring it into the city's land use plan on the, as port mixed use on the future land use map. And

1375
02:28:37,070 --> 02:28:46,840
finally the Gloria Dawn Road piece that was just rezone that would come into the.

1376
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:55,000
Wow. What is the designation that we're proposing? There we go. Mixed use center from commercial

1377
02:28:55,000 --> 02:29:00,600
corridor and industrial. So as proposed mixed use center, the planning board also made that

1378
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:08,290
recommendation along with its planning board resolution. And that's, that's the land use plan

1379
02:29:08,290 --> 02:29:08,850
amendments.

1380
02:29:12,370 --> 02:29:18,090
All right, thank you, Sandi. Does the council have any questions for Sandi? Okay, public hearing is

1381
02:29:18,090 --> 02:29:23,010
now open. There anyone out in the audience that wants to get up and speak in favor and opposition of

1382
02:29:23,010 --> 02:29:24,690
this? Yes, sir.

1383
02:29:28,610 --> 02:29:34,820
Good evening. Eric Remington again representing the condo associations. I think because the. Thank

1384
02:29:34,820 --> 02:29:42,060
you all for continuing the earlier rezoning request. But I think because that rezoning request has

1385
02:29:42,060 --> 02:29:48,899
been continued, we would ask that you pull out the Radio Island part of this and not do that

1386
02:29:48,899 --> 02:29:55,900
tonight, but put that off also until the 30 days out until your next meeting for consistency

1387
02:29:55,900 --> 02:30:02,950
purposes, because these maps depending on depend on the underlying zoning. If you look at the maps

1388
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:09,990
that Ms. Watkins just put up, it says that it's going to commercial marine district. And that's not

1389
02:30:09,990 --> 02:30:15,990
happening tonight. So to approve these would be incorrect, I think. So we'd ask you to take to

1390
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:21,430
continue that till the next meeting also. Thank You. Thank you. Is there anyone else?

1391
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:24,560
Yes, sir.

1392
02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:40,720
Ralph Knitt, 5010 Business Drive, Morehead City. Could I, could I just make a comment about the,

1393
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:51,370
the public notice portion of the property going back to the planning of it or am I too late to ask

1394
02:30:51,770 --> 02:30:59,690
or say something about the planning? No, go ahead. Planning of what? Well, regarding the, the public

1395
02:30:59,690 --> 02:31:05,890
notice postings of contiguous property owners and putting a sign up and advertising in the paper, to

1396
02:31:05,890 --> 02:31:12,170
me it seems like it. It's not an island. But it is an island. Yeah. I'm just saying. Would that be

1397
02:31:12,250 --> 02:31:18,020
your own citizens comment to, to address? Because I don't want to get out of turn. Yeah. This

1398
02:31:18,020 --> 02:31:24,220
got to be specific to the item we're covering with the land. Oh, so yeah. Not regarding the. Yeah,

1399
02:31:24,220 --> 02:31:29,740
you can speak about that during public comment, but your comments have to be specific to the item

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02:31:29,740 --> 02:31:34,980
we're on right now and that is the, the adopting the land use plan for Radio Island and Gloria Dawn

1401
02:31:34,980 --> 02:31:40,620
Road. No, if this was regarding actually the public notification. Yeah, you can, you can speak about

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02:31:40,620 --> 02:31:46,410
that during public public comment, sir. Citizens comment. It'll be coming up. It's an island, but it is going

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02:31:46,410 --> 02:31:50,850
to be coming. Yeah, yeah, I'll call you up when we get that to that section. Okay. Section of the

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02:31:50,850 --> 02:31:58,970
agenda. Thank you. Okay. Is there anyone else? Okay. Hearing no one, public hearing's now closed.

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02:31:59,530 --> 02:31:59,930
Council.

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02:32:01,450 --> 02:32:07,360
Okay. Mr. City Attorney, Mr. Taylor, do we or don't we?

1407
02:32:09,350 --> 02:32:14,870
Well, that's your determination, but nevertheless I would suggest that you have Sandi come back up

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02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:21,430
and describe to you whether there is a problem with incorporating what you're going to be dealing

1409
02:32:21,430 --> 02:32:25,190
with later in the land use plan, which is what we're talking about

1410
02:32:26,790 --> 02:32:32,430
anyway. She and I have talked about it. I don't believe you have a problem with doing this because

1411
02:32:32,430 --> 02:32:34,720
the other thing will be an entirely different issue.

1412
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:45,720
So we can, we can do either. We can either with, you know, not take that forward or we can go ahead

1413
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:55,120
and take it forward. If the council decides to initially zone to something other than commercial

1414
02:32:55,120 --> 02:33:01,530
marina, then we would. We just need to evaluate whether that's consistent with the port mixed use

1415
02:33:01,770 --> 02:33:08,210
future land use designation. The neighborhood planning area really is about the location in the

1416
02:33:08,210 --> 02:33:15,850
town. And so that is just, you know, the east. It's the most easternmost neighborhood planning area

1417
02:33:15,850 --> 02:33:23,410
we have. So that probably makes sense to be east. If for some reason, whatever designation the

1418
02:33:23,410 --> 02:33:29,080
council, you know, adopts for the property in question is not consistent with port mixed east use,

1419
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:34,760
then it could be evaluated and something else could be proposed. In addition to that, we can always

1420
02:33:34,760 --> 02:33:41,400
bring forward a land use plan amendment subsequent to that. So in other words, it's up to you. But

1421
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:48,040
currently, Sandi, though, I think you said that the whole area there is under that same land use.

1422
02:33:48,120 --> 02:33:54,850
Yes, sir, you can see on that. And this would not obligate, I'll say to the attorney, or Sandi

1423
02:33:55,410 --> 02:34:01,690
to our attorney, this would not obligate the council on the zoning action that's subsequently going

1424
02:34:01,690 --> 02:34:09,090
to occur. But for consistency, I, I, I, I think it would be safe for us. My opinion, I think it

1425
02:34:09,090 --> 02:34:16,890
would be safe for us to take it out and then that way we, we just deal with it at a different. Well,

1426
02:34:16,890 --> 02:34:23,760
you're required to do it. And I don't see the connection though, if you do this, that does not

1427
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:29,040
obligate your action on zoning. If I understand it correctly, you still have the full range of

1428
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:35,080
options that you have on the continued public hearing. They're two separate matters because

1429
02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:40,960
everything needs to be within the land use plan. And in good conscience, I don't think the staff

1430
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:47,800
would recommend any other category because that would be inconsistent with the rest of

1431
02:34:47,800 --> 02:34:57,960
the property over there being currently one category. Yeah. And what I'm going to say is if it turns

1432
02:34:57,960 --> 02:35:05,480
out that when you rezone doesn't fit, you fix, then. Yeah. So this, this is not setting it in the

1433
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:10,120
concrete forever and ever. In fact, the folks at CAMA are going to have to go through whatever we

1434
02:35:10,120 --> 02:35:16,330
change in the land use plan. So if anything is directly affecting what their decision might be, then

1435
02:35:16,330 --> 02:35:22,850
we'll run it through with that as well. And it goes through as a separate amendment through CAMA's

1436
02:35:22,850 --> 02:35:28,770
process through Coastal Resources Commission. If we can keep it together procedurally, that's, you

1437
02:35:28,770 --> 02:35:31,210
know, from an administrative perspective that is helpful.

1438
02:35:32,730 --> 02:35:40,940
Most counties in North Carolina, when you amend your zoning map, your, your future land use map is

1439
02:35:40,940 --> 02:35:46,700
automatically amended. Because we're a CAMA community, we have an extra step to go through to work

1440
02:35:46,700 --> 02:35:53,220
with the CAMA, the DCM folks. So essentially what I'm saying and what Sandi is saying, you are not

1441
02:35:53,220 --> 02:35:58,100
prejudice to determine whatever you determine in the future. And we'll fix the land use plan

1442
02:35:58,100 --> 02:36:04,740
accordingly if it needs to be done. It may not be the kind of development that that is currently in

1443
02:36:04,740 --> 02:36:10,620
front of you. And if that happens, then we'll fix this part of it. But this part gets it into where

1444
02:36:10,620 --> 02:36:15,820
it needs to be in our land use plan. And that is something's going to go in there right now. That's

1445
02:36:15,820 --> 02:36:18,660
what it is. But it can be anything that you guys decide

1446
02:36:21,700 --> 02:36:23,860
and the neighborhood's going to be the neighborhood.

1447
02:36:25,460 --> 02:36:30,990
It doesn't really matter what we do in that specific parcel. The whole district area is what we're

1448
02:36:30,990 --> 02:36:35,230
defining with the land use plan. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Attorney. Is there a motion on the floor?

1449
02:36:35,230 --> 02:36:41,390
Yeah, I'll go ahead and make that motion. That we go ahead and adopt Resolution 2026-R-51 to add 191

1450
02:36:41,390 --> 02:36:49,590
and 195 Morgan Street and 201 Marine Drive into the port mixed land future use classification, the

1451
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:56,840
east neighborhood planning area on the future land use and neighborhood planning area maps and to

1452
02:36:56,840 --> 02:37:06,960
redesignate a 19.34 acre portion of 101 and 105 Gloria down, Gloria Dawn Road and four adjacent

1453
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:14,360
undressed parcels from industrial and commercial corridor future land use classifications into the

1454
02:37:14,360 --> 02:37:20,240
mixed use center classification. Thank you, Councilman Abell. Motion made by Council member Abell. Is

1455
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:26,040
there a second? I second. Seconded by Council member Nathan Chambers. Any discussion on this motion?

1456
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:31,800
All right. Hearing no discussion. All indicate by raising, All in favor, indicate by raising your hand.

1457
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:44,640
It's unanimous. So, moving on to new business, Item 5A. Adopt Resolution 2026-R-44, approving a

1458
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:51,240
credit toward the License Agreement 2026, baseball season for Riverfront Sports and Entertainment

1459
02:37:51,240 --> 02:37:59,560
LLC. Mr. Randy, I can elaborate that I think the resolution speaks for itself. I'll be glad to

1460
02:37:59,560 --> 02:38:05,760
answer any questions, but I think this is justifiable and the management is recommending this credit

1461
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:15,790
be approved as recommended for the most recently completed season due to the project implications

1462
02:38:15,950 --> 02:38:24,230
that we had that negatively affected operations and related revenue opportunities as stipulated. And

1463
02:38:24,230 --> 02:38:28,189
the construction continues. And so the credit in the amount of

1464
02:38:28,189 --> 02:38:32,670
$13,579.50

1465
02:38:34,990 --> 02:38:38,920
is the recommendation. I'll be glad to answer any questions. Okay.

1466
02:38:41,000 --> 02:38:49,640
This was, this was discussed at our finance and administration committee meeting. And I, I think

1467
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:54,840
it received favorable recommendation from our committee. I'll make a motion and then we can have any

1468
02:38:54,840 --> 02:39:02,520
further discussion. Mr. Mayor, I adopt the resolution 2026-R-44, approving a credit toward the

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02:39:02,520 --> 02:39:09,800
license agreement baseball season or the 2026 baseball season for Riverfront Sports and

1470
02:39:09,800 --> 02:39:16,320
Entertainment LLC. Motion. Okay. Motion made by Mayor Pro Tem Ballou. Seconded by Council member Harvey

1471
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:22,640
Walker. Any discussion on this motion? All right, Hearing no discussion. All in favor, indicate by

1472
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:28,880
raising your hand. It's unanimous. Thank you. Okay. Item number six, city manager's report. Mr.

1473
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:35,030
Randy, again. The only thing I would like to. I think they're still here. Recognize Kristen, our HR

1474
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:43,510
director to introduce our someone special we have in the audience tonight. If they'd come up.

1475
02:39:55,280 --> 02:40:02,000
Good evening. Good Evening Council. This is our NC fellow, Mr. Bray Guest. So he's going to be with

1476
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:02,880
us for the next

1477
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:11,920
11 months working on some pretty heavy projects and learning all about local government. So I will.

1478
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:18,880
Tell us a little bit about yourself. Good evening, Council. As was mentioned, my name is Bray Guest.

1479
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:25,480
I just graduated from UNC Chapel Hill in in May. So my apologies if you're a State fan or a Duke fan.

1480
02:40:25,480 --> 02:40:29,040
In some crazy world, Mr. Randy, he apologized to you.

1481
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:36,960
Yeah. As mentioned, I'm going to be working on a variety of projects around our policies capital

1482
02:40:36,960 --> 02:40:44,440
improvement plan and updating our website for ADA compliance. I'm happy to be here and learn and to

1483
02:40:44,440 --> 02:40:48,410
use all of the skills that I've learned over the past month at the School of Government to

1484
02:40:49,450 --> 02:40:54,610
help our city and learn as much as I can about local government. So thank you for having me and I'm

1485
02:40:54,610 --> 02:40:59,890
ready to get to work. Thank you very. And this is done through a fellowship program with the school

1486
02:40:59,890 --> 02:41:03,050
of government and university and we really appreciate them. (unipntegllible)

1487
02:41:04,890 --> 02:41:12,670
and AmeriCorps. Yeah they they that helps pay for it. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you.

1488
02:41:12,740 --> 02:41:17,140
Jewel can answer any questions about that arrangement. I think the city's used this

1489
02:41:18,820 --> 02:41:20,740
third fellow. Awesome.

1490
02:41:23,060 --> 02:41:28,100
Okay, that's all I have. That's all you have for your city manager report. Mr. Randy. Enough's been

1491
02:41:28,100 --> 02:41:33,740
said. Okay. All right, item number seven, citizens comment. So at this time, any citizen that want

1492
02:41:33,740 --> 02:41:39,310
to get up to the podium, come up to the podium and address the city council. You have a three minute

1493
02:41:39,310 --> 02:41:40,110
time limit.

1494
02:41:42,430 --> 02:41:50,110
State your name and address again, sir. Ralph Knit, 5010 Business Drive, Morehead City. Regarding, I

1495
02:41:50,110 --> 02:41:56,550
guess what I listen to with the, the public notice signage, no matter where it is, I know it's

1496
02:41:56,550 --> 02:42:02,190
normally advertised in the paper. People within a certain distance, whether they abut to it or 300

1497
02:42:02,190 --> 02:42:03,390
foot or whatever it might be.

1498
02:42:05,080 --> 02:42:10,600
Radio Island is pretty small and you would think if a boat sank at the marina everyone in that

1499
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:18,040
complex would know about it before the end of the day. And how everybody didn't know about a sign

1500
02:42:18,040 --> 02:42:23,960
being up there is just totally beyond me. And then the second thing I'd like to say is don't forget

1501
02:42:23,960 --> 02:42:32,410
about the North Carolina Railroad regarding Bridges Street and the, and Gloria Dawn. Because when it

1502
02:42:32,410 --> 02:42:33,170
comes through there,

1503
02:42:35,650 --> 02:42:41,410
they've got the right away. That's exactly. That's about it. All right. Thank you sir. Thank you.

1504
02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:47,490
All right, is there anyone else? All right, Missy. State your name and address, Missy.

1505
02:42:49,650 --> 02:42:50,450
Good evening.

1506
02:42:53,810 --> 02:42:54,450
Thank you.

1507
02:42:56,860 --> 02:42:58,140
I'm glad to see mama here.

1508
02:43:04,060 --> 02:43:04,780
Thank you.

1509
02:43:15,180 --> 02:43:16,140
Thank you ma'am.

1510
02:43:34,870 --> 02:43:35,350
Thank you.

1511
02:43:38,310 --> 02:43:38,950
Thank you.

1512
02:43:50,960 --> 02:43:53,520
Thank you, ma'am. Thank you ma'am. (unintelligible)

1513
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:55,840
Thank you.

1514
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:02,640
Thank you.

1515
02:44:14,650 --> 02:44:20,370
Again. I thank you all for your time and attention. I do just want to stand before you because. And

1516
02:44:20,370 --> 02:44:25,410
Missy, can you just state your name and address? I was getting to that. Okay. I'm sorry. Yes, sir. My

1517
02:44:25,410 --> 02:44:33,930
name is Melissa Odin, 1412 Avery Street. I am coming before you just to give you some feedback as a

1518
02:44:33,930 --> 02:44:38,360
citizen, a lifelong citizen, as we know that we've recently

1519
02:44:40,840 --> 02:44:47,640
initiated the W.S. King Project. I did reach out to share some input

1520
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:49,880
just

1521
02:44:51,880 --> 02:44:59,280
in February the 10th. I reached out to the council and the sitting mayor at that time to request that

1522
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:06,000
there be more citizen engagement on the plans. At that time, I wasn't able to come. My dad, he spoke

1523
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:11,990
up. And at that time, it was said there was too much money that had already been invested into the

1524
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:19,310
project. This comes on the heels of also the eminent domain where the room was packed. And it

1525
02:45:19,310 --> 02:45:25,350
shouldn't have to take a room to be packed, to still be heard, to still be considered, to still be.

1526
02:45:26,390 --> 02:45:33,330
To feel as though there was openness and transparency on what's going on. Same rules apply from the

1527
02:45:33,330 --> 02:45:37,930
Ms. Hamilton and the others that have spoken today. I think the consensus the same. I'm just here to

1528
02:45:37,930 --> 02:45:39,010
voice concern.

1529
02:45:41,410 --> 02:45:43,330
Mr. Harvey, if you can read number one?

1530
02:45:45,330 --> 02:45:47,170
integrity? Yes, sir. Microphone. (unintelligible)

1531
02:45:49,490 --> 02:45:52,770
Yeah. Missy, we got three minutes. I understand. Yeah. and,

1532
02:45:55,250 --> 02:46:02,420
and they'll yield their three minutes. You can't. Can't accumulate. But, but it's only three minutes

1533
02:46:02,420 --> 02:46:08,420
per person. That's all I'm gonna allow, Missy. Yeah, Okay. I can read it myself. Okay. That is, that

1534
02:46:08,420 --> 02:46:14,380
is a perfect reflection of what I'm talking about, of citizen engagement. It was just requests, and

1535
02:46:14,380 --> 02:46:20,260
so I can complete it in the time that's allowed. And I thank you. Integrity. One's moral compass.

1536
02:46:20,260 --> 02:46:26,550
Desire to do right. Character. Say what we do when. What we do when no one is looking. Transparency.

1537
02:46:27,110 --> 02:46:33,510
Clearly state intentions. Deception. To purposefully lead astray. Consciousness. Point of

1538
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:40,870
reflection. Repentance. The turning away from doing wrong. Restoration. To be made new and to begin

1539
02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:49,710
again. What keeps us from seeing these things is pride. Pride. It blocks our hearing, our eyes and

1540
02:46:49,710 --> 02:46:50,390
our hearts.

1541
02:46:52,320 --> 02:46:57,440
What's the remedy? Humility. It allows you to see differently, to hear differently, and respond with

1542
02:46:57,440 --> 02:47:04,800
love. I received a text from the mayor when I reached out to him with the concern of, in some

1543
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:09,240
pictures. And he said, excuse me, what are you talking about? The whole building isn't being tore

1544
02:47:09,240 --> 02:47:15,920
down. Speaking of preservation, we are painting the building back the same color it was originally.

1545
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:21,950
If you would have come to the groundbreaking ceremony, you would have known that. I want to

1546
02:47:21,950 --> 02:47:27,870
point out that there was a Facebook post and one of the individuals who participated in the

1547
02:47:27,870 --> 02:47:34,990
groundbreaking says, this makes me want to cry. Along with all the other homes being torn down. I

1548
02:47:34,990 --> 02:47:41,790
had no idea they were going to they were going to tear down part of it. I got the impression that

1549
02:47:41,790 --> 02:47:47,700
they were going to add on to it. Oh, how we were deceived. Another one said the same thing. I

1550
02:47:47,700 --> 02:47:54,100
thought we were adding on. Another one said, I, too, had no idea that they were going to demolish it.

1551
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:59,260
I was under the impression that we were going to there was going to be addition, but someone knew

1552
02:47:59,260 --> 02:48:05,260
this was the plan all along. Same thing happened with Queen Street in the past. Finally another one

1553
02:48:05,260 --> 02:48:11,980
said, this makes me sad too. Why did I think they were going to add on? I know this is what I heard.

1554
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:18,030
Why do the people we think we can trust deceive us the most? And I'll yield the rest of the

1555
02:48:18,030 --> 02:48:25,910
comments. The point is, I'm asking y'all to, to give a point of reflection. It says in God we trust.

1556
02:48:26,390 --> 02:48:32,030
In order to say that in God we trust into these prayers and things that we initiate and say that

1557
02:48:32,030 --> 02:48:38,500
we're seeking God to show us. It takes love. And that's what is on that card that I gave you. Love

1558
02:48:38,500 --> 02:48:43,020
is patient. Love is. I'm not going to read it to you. It's there for you. But we have to start

1559
02:48:43,020 --> 02:48:49,860
operating in love so we can hear one another when we're, we could easily say in pride we trust, in

1560
02:48:49,860 --> 02:48:55,900
self we trust, in all these other things. And until the city's council and the city's officials will

1561
02:48:55,900 --> 02:49:03,460
start listening to the people and their concerns and not to bash them or to blunder them for

1562
02:49:03,780 --> 02:49:11,170
standing up for what they believe in and not be made to feel as though that you're reprimanded when

1563
02:49:11,170 --> 02:49:17,850
you're voicing your concern. I think, I think it's owed to the citizens to, to do a better job of,

1564
02:49:17,850 --> 02:49:22,969
of that engagement that has been requested. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you, Missy.

1565
02:49:24,170 --> 02:49:30,490
Is there anyone else? And I will just say on these, it was back to the basics. One less thing.

1566
02:49:30,570 --> 02:49:37,490
That's the, the last thing that God had placed on my heart is that we, as a city, as a people, as a

1567
02:49:37,490 --> 02:49:45,010
community, we have to get back to the basis. And these are the fruit of the spirit in love, peace,

1568
02:49:45,170 --> 02:49:53,370
kindness, forbearance, joy, goodness, gentleness, self control and faithfulness. Thank you. Thank

1569
02:49:53,370 --> 02:50:00,370
you. Is there anyone else that like to speak during citizen comment? Reverend Curt, Mrs. Melissa.

1570
02:50:00,370 --> 02:50:02,050
You guys can get up and speak if you want to. (unintelligible)

1571
02:50:08,210 --> 02:50:09,730
I want to hear from all citizens.

1572
02:50:11,730 --> 02:50:13,170
Okay. Is there anyone else?

1573
02:50:15,410 --> 02:50:21,410
Okay. So council comments. I'll start with Councilman Harvey Walker. First of all, I want to thank

1574
02:50:21,410 --> 02:50:22,290
everybody for coming.

1575
02:50:26,610 --> 02:50:32,270
I want to say thank you for getting. Getting up and saying some things. You know, I too thought that

1576
02:50:32,270 --> 02:50:37,430
they were going to add on but at some point there's some things in that building that needs to be

1577
02:50:37,430 --> 02:50:44,750
torn out, so that you need to know there's some asbestos and other things that were unsafe that needed to be taken

1578
02:50:44,750 --> 02:50:45,150
out.

1579
02:50:47,070 --> 02:50:52,350
You know, so those are some of the reasons that we had to do what they had to do.

1580
02:50:53,880 --> 02:51:00,520
But I think you're gonna like it when it's done. But I want to thank everybody for coming. It was a

1581
02:51:00,520 --> 02:51:05,840
very good meeting tonight. It was good discussion with the council. As I always say, if you all have

1582
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:12,120
a problem, feel free to call us. We're all here to help. And thank you all for coming. Good night.

1583
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:18,600
Thank you. Councilman Walker, Mayor Pro Tim Ballou. Good to see it, it's good to see everyone tonight.

1584
02:51:18,680 --> 02:51:20,810
I think we've had had a very, very good meeting

1585
02:51:22,330 --> 02:51:32,570
staff. I would, Mr. Martin and Sandi, I would, would ask you, you heard my concern tonight with the,

1586
02:51:33,530 --> 02:51:42,090
the abutton property owners. And, and I, I just, I, I just don't know when we got away from having a

1587
02:51:42,090 --> 02:51:50,600
specific area designed as far as 300 feet. Please research that for me and please let me know when that

1588
02:51:50,600 --> 02:52:02,000
was changed. I think that we need to add that, whatever, there needs to be a designated area that we

1589
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:09,080
put in our ordinance and the council can I guess make that decision. But I just think it is very

1590
02:52:09,080 --> 02:52:16,010
vague when we say adjoining or abutting, because it's like Mr. Martin said tonight, I mean that could

1591
02:52:16,010 --> 02:52:25,250
be endless, in a mile. So I think there needs to be a point of reference that we contact adjoining

1592
02:52:25,250 --> 02:52:28,490
property owners when we are rezoning or

1593
02:52:30,090 --> 02:52:36,330
anything that's going on within their property. So if you'll research that for me and I will not get

1594
02:52:36,330 --> 02:52:43,560
back on my soapbox with the traffic concerns. I think Mr. Martin and And Councilman Taylor have,

1595
02:52:43,560 --> 02:52:51,480
have heard those concerns and all I ask is, is, is, is work in tandem and side to side with this

1596
02:52:51,480 --> 02:52:59,520
developer to see what we can do to make that a, I just hope that I, I, I, I was in favor of the project and,

1597
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:04,250
and I hope the project will move forward. But it's sad that we have to

1598
02:53:06,410 --> 02:53:11,170
do what we did tonight in order to get their attention and get them to the plate. But if that's what

1599
02:53:11,170 --> 02:53:17,690
it takes, then I'm willing to do that. So please, please work with the developer and

1600
02:53:19,210 --> 02:53:28,710
let's see what we can do to improve that area. It's good to see everyone tonight, and as always, my

1601
02:53:28,710 --> 02:53:35,110
pleasure to serve. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem Ballou. Councilman Nathan Chambers. I'm, I'm, I'm always

1602
02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:39,550
impressed because I've thoroughly researched these documents before we come to a meeting and read

1603
02:53:39,550 --> 02:53:44,790
the minutes and, you know, I come in with a, you know, somewhat of a point of view, but then I'm

1604
02:53:45,110 --> 02:53:49,390
continues to be impressed by the other fellow council members who are doing the same amount of

1605
02:53:49,390 --> 02:53:53,760
research, and they come out there with their wise judgment, and it may alter my point of view of

1606
02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:57,720
view or enhance my point of view, but I appreciate the fact that I'm with a group of people that are

1607
02:53:57,720 --> 02:54:02,560
thinkers. You know, lots of times you get some folks that don't really dig into it, but y'all do a

1608
02:54:02,560 --> 02:54:07,920
great job. And also to add to that, our staff is awesome. The way they can put this stuff together

1609
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:12,640
and the knowledge they have, you know, you can ask a question. I mean, good grief. You know, you're

1610
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:17,880
like, Sandi, Sandi, Sandi. And she's just right on. Yeah. And so I thank the staff because they're

1611
02:54:17,880 --> 02:54:23,810
great. Jewel, you're great. Daniel, you didn't have much to say tonight, but anyway, so, but thanks

1612
02:54:23,810 --> 02:54:29,090
again, guys. Y'all do a great job. Thank you, Councilman Chambers, Councilman Taylor, I'd like to

1613
02:54:29,090 --> 02:54:34,730
thank everyone for coming out. I'm not going to say very much because I've already ran my mouth a

1614
02:54:34,730 --> 02:54:36,330
lot. No comment.

1615
02:54:38,410 --> 02:54:41,050
But I want you to be aware

1616
02:54:42,650 --> 02:54:52,860
that money for street repair, street improvement is at a limit and it takes a lot longer than you

1617
02:54:52,860 --> 02:54:55,060
would normally think it should take.

1618
02:54:57,620 --> 02:55:03,540
But I do appreciate it and thank you for letting me be here to do that. Thank you, Counselor.

1619
02:55:05,140 --> 02:55:05,860
Yes, sir.

1620
02:55:07,860 --> 02:55:12,830
I didn't know we could call Sandi like that. So you've got a direct line to her? I'm telling you what.

1621
02:55:12,830 --> 02:55:20,790
Okay. Now, of course, obviously, I knew that. Missy, thank you for reminding us of this. That what

1622
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:26,269
this is what we need to do day in and day out. So thank you for that. Other than that, thank

1623
02:55:26,269 --> 02:55:33,630
everybody else for coming out. And anyhow, I guess we'll wait and see what next, well, in September

1624
02:55:33,630 --> 02:55:41,480
brings, right, is that the next meeting, September? That's all. Okay. Thank you, Councilman Abell.

1625
02:55:41,880 --> 02:55:48,120
Okay. Item number nine. Approved the release of closed session minutes or portions thereof, as

1626
02:55:48,120 --> 02:55:52,280
recommended by the city attorney. And city manager. I passed out those documents.

1627
02:55:53,880 --> 02:55:59,000
If you haven't reviewed it yet. These are ones we are, some of us have already read? Okay. Yeah.

1628
02:56:02,690 --> 02:56:09,170
So if everybody's already read it, I will entertain a motion. Yeah. I approve the release of 21 sets

1629
02:56:09,170 --> 02:56:14,970
of closed session minutes as presented. I'll second. Okay. Motion made by Mayor Pro Tem Ballou.

1630
02:56:14,970 --> 02:56:20,610
Seconded by council member Bill Taylor. Any discussion on this motion hearing? None. All in favor,

1631
02:56:20,610 --> 02:56:26,530
indicate by raising your hand. It's unanimous. Okay. And that's all we have for tonight. Meeting

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02:56:26,530 --> 02:56:28,210
adjourned at 8:26 p.m.