[4:05] County Board of Commissioners meeting.
[4:08] Commissioner Quinn, would you lead us in
[4:10] the pledge of allegiance? My
[4:11] >> pleasure.
[4:14] To the flag of the United States of
[4:17] America and to the republic for which it
[4:20] stands. One nation under God,
[4:23] indivisible, with liberty and justice
[4:25] for all.
[4:32] » Next, we have Pastor Kevin Club of the
[4:35] Cape Carter Baptist Church will lead us
[4:37] in the invocation. Welcome, Pastor.
[4:39] >> Thank you.
[4:42] I've had the privilege of being a pastor
[4:44] here in Carter County for 32 years now.
[4:47] And anytime I find myself in a room
[4:50] filled with people, I'm tempted to do
[4:52] two things. Preach and take an offering.
[4:55] But
[4:55] >> [laughter]
[4:55] >> uh
[4:57] >> we'll pass the plate.
[5:01] >> We'll split it.
[5:02] >> All right. [laughter] I don't think
[5:04] that's the way that works, but I
[5:05] appreciate the offer. I do. All right.
[5:08] Let me lead us in prayer here. Father,
[5:11] we uh come to you tonight to acknowledge
[5:13] that you are a God of great design and
[5:15] purpose and and intention and uh yours
[5:18] is a good design and you've been
[5:20] [snorts] gracious to us and we um uh so
[5:24] that's why we come to you. We
[5:26] acknowledge that we we do trust in you,
[5:29] Lord. Uh you know that and you know how
[5:33] we struggle uh from time to time to
[5:35] trust in you. So, uh, we would confess
[5:38] to you that we are faced with situations
[5:42] and, uh, circumstances in our community
[5:46] that,
[5:48] uh, call for great discernment and
[5:51] wisdom and insight and u uh, just um the
[5:57] ability to to see things as they really
[6:01] are. And uh so we we thank you that
[6:06] you're the source of wisdom. Uh we're
[6:09] grateful for the resources that you have
[6:13] so
[6:14] generously provided to us in uh in this
[6:18] part of our state. Uh we are grateful uh for the bounty you
[6:25] have you have given us and um for the
[6:28] privilege it is to be able to live in a
[6:31] community like this. And so we would ask
[6:33] uh tonight uh that Lord as you have
[6:35] raised up uh leaders in our community
[6:39] that you would uh give them great uh
[6:42] wisdom and discernment that they would uh see things clearly
[6:48] and that they would make decisions that
[6:50] would uh be good for our community and
[6:55] ultimately would bring great honor and
[6:56] glory to you. So um we give the evening
[6:59] to you and ask your blessings on it in
[7:01] Jesus name I pray. Amen.
[7:04] >> Amen.
[7:05] >> Thank you pastor.
[7:06] >> Thank you.
[7:08] >> In accordance with the state government
[7:09] ethics act, it is the duty of every
[7:11] board member to avoid both conflicts of
[7:13] interest and the appearance of conflict.
[7:15] Does any board member have any known
[7:16] conflict of interest or the appearance
[7:18] of conflict with respect to any matter
[7:20] coming before the board this evening? If
[7:22] so, please identify the conflict and
[7:24] refrain from any undue particular
[7:26] participation in particular matter
[7:28] involved.
[7:30] We're all good. I'd like to remind
[7:32] everybody to silence our cell phones and
[7:34] devices.
[7:37] >> Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to
[7:38] adopt the agenda for this evening.
[7:40] >> All right. Motion by Vice Chairman
[7:42] Mansfield. Is there a second? Seconded
[7:44] by Commissioner Wal. All in favor? All
[7:47] right. Is there a motion on the consent
[7:50] agenda? Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion on the consent agenda to
[7:57] uh table items 9 and 10
[8:00] uh regarding jail version recovery
[8:02] services with uh two entities
[8:06] um for the reason of give us a month or
[8:10] more time to evaluate a current contract
[8:13] that we have with another entity
[8:17] and to evaluate the necessity of writing
[8:21] two more contracts uh with with other
[8:25] [cough and clears throat] other
[8:26] entities.
[8:28] Okay,
[8:30] that's item nine and 10.
[8:36] Is there a second to uh
[8:39] Commissioner uh Shin's motion?
[8:42] >> I'll second.
[8:43] >> Seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in
[8:46] favor of taking item nine and 10 off the
[8:48] consent agenda, raise your hand.
[8:52] All opposed.
[8:55] Okay, we're gonna leave those items on
[8:56] there. Is there a motion to approve the
[8:59] consent agenda?
[9:00] >> Chairman, if I may, if I may interrupt,
[9:03] I'm sorry. The motion on the floor to
[9:06] table the item for a future meeting has
[9:09] failed, but any one commissioner can
[9:12] take an item off the consent agenda and
[9:15] make it eligible for consideration and
[9:17] discussion in the regular agenda.
[9:20] >> Okay.
[9:20] >> So, I I would say loop back around and
[9:23] now Commissioner Shen, if he pleases,
[9:25] can make a motion to remove it from the
[9:28] consent agenda and to include it as an
[9:30] action item for this evening. if if
[9:33] you'll excuse the interruption on that.
[9:40] » Would you I'll I'll move to take them
[9:43] off of that and have a discussion in our
[9:46] [clears throat] regular agenda.
[9:48] >> And we'd like to put that down around
[9:50] right before the manager's report. Maybe
[9:52] add 9A.
[9:55] >> I'm good with that.
[9:57] >> All right. We're going to move item nine
[9:59] and 10.
[10:02] remind me of that.
[10:03] >> Okay.
[10:04] >> Right before the manager's report.
[10:06] >> All right. So, is that an amended uh
[10:10] consent agenda or is that
[10:11] >> That's what that is. Yes.
[10:12] >> Is there a motion to approve the amended
[10:14] consent agenda?
[10:15] >> Motion by Commissioner Waldrip, seconded
[10:17] by
[10:18] >> I'll second.
[10:19] >> Commissioner Shen. All in favor.
[10:21] >> All right.
[10:24] Now, we have public comment.
[10:25] >> Point of clarification.
[10:26] >> Yes, sir.
[10:29] So
[10:31] if that had have not been the case and
[10:34] that had have been a vote right there, I
[10:37] abstained. So I didn't vote.
[10:39] >> But an abstension counts as an
[10:41] affirmative.
[10:42] >> Yes, it does.
[10:43] >> So it would have made it three to three.
[10:44] So what would have happened
[10:47] >> um tonight? It it would have stayed put
[10:51] and it would have stayed on the consent
[10:52] agenda because the motion was to remove
[10:54] it and it didn't pass. It would have
[10:55] been a tie and we don't have anyone to
[10:57] break the tie tonight because we don't
[10:59] have our
[11:00] >> So tie would have kept it on there,
[11:01] >> right? It wouldn't have been a majority
[11:03] vote.
[11:04] >> Okay. Interesting to note.
[11:06] >> All right. And for the record,
[11:07] Commissioner Moore is under weather and
[11:09] he has an excused absence tonight. All
[11:11] right. Next, we have public comment. Mr.
[11:13] Derwood Hudson is first on the list, and
[11:15] you'd like to speak about a road name
[11:18] change. We're going to have a separate
[11:19] public hearing on that.
[11:21] >> So, if you hold tight, we'll get you on
[11:23] the next. Thank you.
[11:25] >> The next one is Mr. James Jones.
[11:29] If you will approach the podium and give
[11:31] your name and address for the record and
[11:32] you have three minutes.
[11:36] [clears throat]
[11:37] Appreciate that.
[11:39] All right. Uh I'm part of a newly
[11:42] elected board that has been constructed
[11:44] in the Murman committee and community
[11:47] and we're looking to establish a a
[11:49] public park in the mun in the community.
[11:52] something totally new, something that
[11:54] exciting. The board members are excited
[11:56] about it. We've already gone throughout
[11:57] the community. We've taken and we've got
[11:59] names all the way up to Garb Bacon. And
[12:02] so we continue to get other names of
[12:03] individuals that are excited about a
[12:05] park coming in in Murman. And we're all
[12:07] starting the process of allocating
[12:09] property. So hopefully the county and
[12:11] merman we can come together with this
[12:13] project and you know and really see the
[12:15] need for not only for the youth that are
[12:17] spread it out for future grandkids that
[12:20] are coming. A lot of people moving in
[12:21] that's got kids, grandkids that vacation
[12:24] there and so uh there's a great need for
[12:26] it as well. We're excited about it
[12:29] because it's something new. It helps to
[12:30] develop also the community. It is
[12:32] property that's that we are looking to
[12:34] obtain that's going to be on the silver
[12:35] dollar road. you know, over the years
[12:37] there's been, you know, all kind of bad
[12:39] news or somewhat not favorable news, but
[12:41] we're here to turn that around because
[12:42] there's so many great people that live
[12:44] in Murman and as well as off the Silver
[12:47] Dollar Road. And so we're looking for a
[12:49] partnership, you know, with the with the
[12:50] county far as to, you know, to get on
[12:52] board with this right here and uh and as
[12:56] well as help us out because we're new at
[12:57] this here, but we already started doing
[12:59] the leg work far as establishing an
[13:01] account, 501c, possibly grants, talking
[13:04] to anybody that we can possibly talk to.
[13:06] And so we're excited and we're going to
[13:08] go further. You know, as long as it
[13:09] takes, we're going to be like a thorn in
[13:11] your side about this situation. Uh uh uh
[13:14] I mean, I got a lot of great friends
[13:16] that are here in the room. A lot of you
[13:17] probably already know me as well. I got
[13:19] a lot of free time now since I'm
[13:20] retired. And so, you know, [laughter]
[13:23] hope hopefully, you know, you know, we
[13:25] can keep this thing just on a friendship
[13:27] and keep this thing just rolling. I, you
[13:29] know, I I thank all the commissioners. I
[13:31] thank all all the board over there. I
[13:33] mean, I worked in the courthouse many of
[13:35] years and I was a police officer here in
[13:37] Bowford as well. And so, uh, they elect
[13:40] me cuz I don't mind talking. But anyway,
[13:43] I don't want to go over the 3 minutes,
[13:44] but we're looking forward with the
[13:46] getting on board with the county. Uh
[13:48] we're excited about someone donating
[13:50] property. So hopefully in that process,
[13:52] donating property, then we can in turn,
[13:54] hey, turn that property over to the
[13:55] county as a partnership and further this
[13:57] thing is on uh and so we're excited
[14:00] about being boost on the ground right
[14:01] now, but we're going to be further more
[14:03] excited about completing this project
[14:05] and not only completing this project,
[14:06] but future projects that's going that's
[14:08] going to take place out in that part of
[14:09] the county. So I guess that's my three
[14:12] minutes.
[14:13] >> But anyway, I want to give you guys
[14:14] >> Well, stick around because you come to
[14:16] the right meeting because the parks and
[14:17] recck master plan is going to be talked
[14:19] about here tonight. So you're you come
[14:21] to the right meeting.
[14:22] >> Yeah, I've already met him. So
[14:23] [laughter]
[14:25] we're going to be teaming up.
[14:27] >> Yes, sir.
[14:27] >> There's Chuck Leonard in the background.
[14:29] Go ahead and talk get him on board, will
[14:30] you, too? [laughter]
[14:35] So thank you, Mr. Jones.
[14:44] >> Next, we have Mr. Ronnie Watson.
[14:56] » Well, I looked at the agenda. Thank God
[14:58] I ain't got to stay for all of that.
[14:59] [laughter]
[15:00] But my name's Ronnie Watson. I'm from
[15:02] Emerald, North Carolina. And I'm coming
[15:05] to speak to you. And I want to thank
[15:06] y'all for the support that I've heard
[15:08] that you are supporting the tennis
[15:10] courts at Croatin, East Carter, and West
[15:12] Carter. I have coach Shehan here
[15:14] tonight, but he can verify what I'm
[15:16] going to say. You know, the courts, they
[15:21] might not be important to y'all, but you
[15:22] know, sports are very important to our
[15:25] kids. You know, a lot of them, they play
[15:27] tennis, they play basketball, football,
[15:30] baseball, and they go on to college
[15:32] maybe and play the sports. But, you
[15:35] know,
[15:38] I I know the school bond referendum was
[15:40] passed what, three or four, five years
[15:42] ago, and there was money in there for
[15:44] tennis courts. And I look at the tennis
[15:47] courts, and I was a coach there 20 years
[15:51] ago, and they're this they're worse. I
[15:54] mean, nothing has been done to them. And
[15:57] the thing, the reason I'm saying this,
[16:00] Jim's uh the guys, the boys team and the
[16:03] girls team, they have to go to Fort
[16:04] Benjamin to play home matches.
[16:07] And God forbid that they going down Nine
[16:10] Mile Road and somebody gets killed. And
[16:12] I hate I maybe hate to say that, but
[16:15] it's the truth. But if this happens,
[16:19] there'll be some lawyers involved and
[16:21] they going to bring the school in it as
[16:23] well. But we hope that uh we thank you
[16:25] for what you're doing. We hope that the
[16:27] schools will go ahead. They've got the
[16:29] money and we need to build. You know,
[16:32] I've been building buildings and stuff
[16:34] all my life. And if you don't maintain
[16:36] them, I mean, it's like the gym, the
[16:39] football field or the baseball field you
[16:41] and the track which hadn't been
[16:43] maintained.
[16:45] We need and I go to other schools in the area in other counties and I see
[16:51] they've got these facilities but they're
[16:52] maintaining what what they got. We're
[16:54] one of the wealthiest counties in North Carolina. And why we can't do
[16:59] it, you know, it just beyond me, but I
[17:02] pray to God that you do it. And coach
[17:04] Shehan, have you can you verify anything
[17:06] I'm saying?
[17:08] [clears throat]
[17:08] >> We are indeed of course. We have a an
[17:11] outstanding program and there's no
[17:13] telling how how well program could take
[17:16] off if we had a facility that was equal
[17:18] to what the kids are putting out.
[17:21] >> Well, I thank you and that's that's my
[17:22] three minutes. We appreciate it.
[17:24] >> Thank you, Mr. W.
[17:25] >> Thank you, sir.
[17:27] >> Next, we have Mr. Chuck Linder.
[17:39] 123 Center Drive, Atlantic
[17:42] Beach. I'd like to commend these two
[17:44] young gentlemen that just came up here
[17:46] and spoke because they're advocating
[17:47] again for the youth of our county and
[17:50] that's why I'm here. As you know, we're
[17:53] in desperate need of more youth athletic
[17:56] fields. I'm very curious to see what's
[17:58] in this master plan.
[18:01] As you know, we we Moria City Little
[18:03] League has been bringing the Woodbat
[18:06] tournament to Carter County and other
[18:08] tournaments for the last 15 years. We
[18:11] recognized that the county alone could
[18:13] not maintain their facilities. So, we
[18:16] went out, we did tournaments, we
[18:18] fundraised, and we made close to half a
[18:21] million dollars improvements at Swinson
[18:24] Park. So, I would encourage all
[18:26] organizations to become interested in
[18:29] bringing outside tournaments,
[18:31] activities. It's been proven, as Mr.
[18:34] Watson said other counties are able to
[18:37] make money off of these facilities that
[18:39] they build.
[18:41] In last February, March, the young lady
[18:44] stood here and and talked about the
[18:46] Burke complex in Wilson.
[18:48] Uh grossed about 44 million that year.
[18:52] Expenses were 40. So they had a a small
[18:55] profit of $4 million, which is not a bad
[18:57] little uh investment. But I I think what
[19:02] we need to think about more so than the
[19:06] finances that it's going to cost to
[19:08] maintain facilities is our youth and the
[19:13] investment that we need to make in our
[19:15] youth more so than other facilities. I'd
[19:19] rather see the investment go to our
[19:21] youth than more jail space. Not that I'm
[19:24] against it, but if we can get our youth
[19:27] at an early age to become good citizens,
[19:31] we don't need to keep building jails
[19:34] every 10, 15, 20 years. That's what I'm
[19:37] interested in. We We have grandchildren
[19:41] coming up and I would love to see them
[19:43] be able to stay in this county with
[19:46] something to do, but right now we're maxed out. We with Moyes City just
[19:54] approved 310
[19:56] new units in Moyes City. Our Lily
[19:59] program is going to we're not going to
[20:01] have anywhere to go next year. It's it's
[20:03] we need more youth facilities. I thank
[20:05] you gentlemen for coming tonight.
[20:07] >> Thank you, Mr. Linder.
[20:09] >> Three minutes is not enough.
[20:13] » But them three minutes add up though.
[20:15] [laughter]
[20:16] >> Next we have Miss Betty Williams.
[20:18] [snorts]
[20:22] Miss Betty Williams, is she out there?
[20:26] >> Okay,
[20:26] >> I'm here with James.
[20:28] >> All right, you're keeping James
[20:29] straight. You got your hands full.
[20:31] [laughter]
[20:33] Mr. Charlie Collins.
[20:43] My name is Charlie Collins. I'm from Moa
[20:45] City, North Carolina. And I'm here to
[20:47] represent Meman for Me Park. Uh like
[20:51] James had integrated earlier. Uh we got
[20:56] our youth is coming up and uh they need
[20:58] somewhere to go some some activities
[21:00] they can come and play nice playground
[21:02] where they can play in and uh and we can
[21:06] do this if we work together. And I and I
[21:09] believe in our heart that it's going to
[21:11] work. and and if the county
[21:13] commissioners and and the me bow and moy
[21:17] city and and our community working
[21:19] together, we can make this happen.
[21:21] >> Thank you.
[21:22] M. Collins.
[21:23] >> Thank you, sir.
[21:28] Joshua Miller.
[21:43] You will state your name and address for
[21:44] the record, please.
[21:45] >> Joshua Miller from Peliter, North
[21:47] Carolina.
[21:49] I'm here on um I thought I never thought
[21:52] I'd be here on a flock problem. [snorts]
[21:56] The Fourth Amendment exists for a
[21:57] reason. And Carpenter v. United States
[21:59] Supreme Court recognized something
[22:01] fundamental. The government cannot
[22:02] simply obtain a detailed record of a
[22:05] person's movement over an extended
[22:07] period of time without complying with a
[22:09] fourth amendment requirement. [snorts]
[22:11] Yet, this county has chosen to put a
[22:13] powerful surveillance system on the
[22:15] roads, one that captures our license
[22:17] plate records. They're updating them and
[22:20] getting new information every day. And
[22:23] when the citizens object, we're told,
[22:25] well, if you have nothing to hide, you
[22:26] have nothing to fear. And that's not the
[22:28] standard of a free society. We don't owe
[22:31] this county an explanation where we
[22:33] drive. We don't owe our government
[22:34] justification on our lawful movements.
[22:37] Benjamin Franklin, he warned us
[22:39] precisely ex this exact situation. Those
[22:42] who would give up essential liberty to
[22:43] purchase little temporary safety deserve
[22:46] neither liberty nor safety.
[22:50] Security purchased at the expense of
[22:52] constitutional rights is not true
[22:54] security. It's the surrender of our
[22:55] liberty. And I'm shocked you guys are
[22:57] doing it in this county right now. And
[22:59] that's why I'm here is because I have
[23:01] kids. So I have an obligation to be here
[23:03] and make sure they don't grow up in a
[23:04] surveillance state.
[23:08] Terminate the flock contract, dismantle
[23:10] the warrant warrantless surveillance
[23:12] apparatus, and bring this county
[23:15] practices back in compliance with the
[23:17] constitution and the principles that you
[23:19] all swore the oath to uphold. I swore
[23:21] that same oath many times.
[23:24] You can see I'm ticked off.
[23:27] And the American Revolution,
[23:30] it wasn't fought by every American. It
[23:32] was only fought by about 10 to 15% of
[23:34] the population. So out of every hundred,
[23:36] 10 guys. And now sorry, that's male and
[23:39] female.
[23:41] Fortunately for you, I'm one of those 10
[23:42] that still believe in liberty.
[23:45] >> That's just you got time.
[23:48] >> Okay. And I'm not talking about a
[23:50] historical statistic. I'm talking about
[23:51] the kind of citizen who believes that
[23:53] liberty is worth standing up for. who's
[23:55] not going to quietly surrender because
[23:56] the government says that it's for my own
[23:58] safety. I can keep my kids safe. I don't
[24:00] need the government's help. Protect our
[24:02] rights or we'll find people that will.
[24:05] That's all I got to say.
[24:06] >> Thank you,
[24:07] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman. I'd like to break
[24:08] protocol. Mr. Mo, if you wait just one
[24:10] second. So,
[24:11] >> where did you get your research on this?
[24:14] >> I I go on flocks. You can go on
[24:15] dflock.org and see where every camera is
[24:17] and I went and verified looked and saw
[24:19] the cameras.
[24:20] >> They're not county cameras.
[24:21] >> We don't have any cameras.
[24:22] >> We don't have We don't We don't have a
[24:23] cop. They can point them at the highway.
[24:24] >> We don't have I I don't know. But
[24:25] they're not count. They're not
[24:26] >> You're commissioner. You should know
[24:28] that.
[24:28] >> No. No sir.
[24:29] >> There is not a contract with the county
[24:31] with flock.
[24:32] >> So why do we have them pointing at our
[24:33] roadways right now tracking our
[24:35] movements? That doesn't concern you.
[24:36] >> It's probably in a municipality or
[24:37] something. No, I'm not saying it doesn't
[24:38] concern me. I'm just saying the basis of
[24:40] your conversation tonight, your concerns
[24:42] are valid and most of us agree with you.
[24:45] But the county does not have a contract
[24:47] with them and we don't have any cameras
[24:49] that we've put up. So all these cameras
[24:51] pointing right now on the highways
[24:54] >> getting all the license plates getting
[24:56] on Bluetooth tracking.
[24:57] >> They're not they're not they're not in
[24:58] they're not with Carter County.
[25:00] >> They may be more at city. They may be
[25:02] Atlantic Beach. I can't speak to that.
[25:04] >> And maybe we are actually a board of
[25:06] Carter County Commissioners not of the
[25:08] municipalities.
[25:09] >> Okay. So
[25:10] >> So you may want to speak to some
[25:11] municipal meetings.
[25:12] >> Yeah.
[25:13] >> We don't have a contract with Flock. All
[25:14] right. For the record. Let's move on.
[25:16] Thank you for coming. Next we have Brian
[25:18] Nicolo.
[25:20] >> [clears throat]
[25:24] » Good evening. I'm Brian Niclo, 1402
[25:27] Salter Path Road. Um, it's u we
[25:30] appreciate what you all do and sovereign
[25:32] showing up is important because you all
[25:34] don't know what to address if we don't
[25:35] let you know. I'm here to make just a
[25:37] general comment. Um, so it's um about
[25:41] Noah Webster's dictionary 1828. American
[25:45] uh dictionary of the English language
[25:47] was produced during the years when
[25:49] America home church and schools were
[25:51] established upon biblical and patriotic
[25:53] bases. Webster made important
[25:55] contributions to an American educational
[25:58] system which kept the nation upon
[26:00] Christian constitutional course for many
[26:02] years. A federal catechism was
[26:04] introduced into curriculum in 1794. He
[26:08] gave a short explanation of the
[26:09] principles of the American
[26:11] constitutional form of government and
[26:13] defined America as a representative
[26:15] republic. Students learn distinct
[26:18] distinctly why a federal representative
[26:21] republic is a better form of government.
[26:23] Shortly after schools became organized
[26:26] under the state systems, the
[26:28] substitution of democracy for republic
[26:31] was made, which was incorrect. Upon
[26:34] Horus man, who is also known as the
[26:36] father of American education, rest the
[26:38] blame for removing from the curriculum
[26:40] the study of an American philosophy of
[26:43] government which included the concepts
[26:45] of our constitution. Horus man and his
[26:47] contemporaries made America's early
[26:49] education a ward of the state. Today,
[26:52] the necessity for restoring the clarity
[26:54] and identity of constitutional meanings
[26:57] is obvious if we are to make substantial
[26:59] progress in rebuilding the foundation
[27:02] upon which this nation was established.
[27:05] The reason I'm here telling you about an
[27:06] old 1828 Webster's dictionary is to make
[27:10] you aware of the globalist effort to
[27:12] omit, substitute, and redefine the
[27:16] meanings of words and phrases. For the
[27:18] globalists, it's easier to change the
[27:20] meaning of words and phrases than it is
[27:22] to enact new legislation and enact
[27:26] pertinent laws.
[27:28] We experienced an onslaught of changes
[27:30] the meaning of words and phrases during
[27:32] the following the stone election of
[27:34] 2020. Remember they changed the word
[27:36] vaccine the def definition thereof. They
[27:39] changed the definition of recession,
[27:41] gender, gain of function. However,
[27:44] looking forward with the advent of AI,
[27:46] artificial intelligence, that is, there
[27:48] is a massive effort by some AI companies
[27:50] to scan and then destroy old books. Once
[27:54] the old books are destroyed, it will
[27:56] only take a couple generations to
[27:58] convince people with revised
[27:59] information. So, what I want you to do
[28:02] is save old books, register to vote, get
[28:05] out and vote because we have midterms
[28:07] coming up. Don't let 15% of the
[28:09] electorate choose your elected
[28:11] officials. And with that, I thank you
[28:14] for your time.
[28:15] >> Thank you, Mr. Nicolo. Is there anyone
[28:17] else would like to speak tonight?
[28:20] >> All right.
[28:23] Next, we have a
[28:24] >> sir.
[28:25] >> Yes, ma'am. If you will approach the
[28:26] podium and give your name and address
[28:28] for the record.
[28:30] Theresa Morton
[28:33] um 3815 3813 semicircle in Mort City,
[28:37] North Carolina.
[28:39] I would like to speak on the mass
[28:42] surveillance.
[28:43] I support the protection act against
[28:47] mass surveillance.
[28:49] Um my rights are important, my liberty
[28:51] is important, my freedom's important.
[28:55] And
[28:56] I think that sums it up.
[28:59] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[29:04] Next, we have a public hearing for a
[29:06] road name change
[29:08] from a portion of White Oak Street to
[29:11] Circle Drive. Miss Moren Dory.
[29:18] » Good evening.
[29:20] [laughter]
[29:24] » Uh, okay. So, we've uh received a
[29:27] request for um changing a portion of a
[29:31] street in Cedar Point
[29:34] um from White Oak Street to Circle
[29:38] Drive. It's a portion of White Oak
[29:40] Street to Circle Drive. Um so, a little
[29:43] bit of background, if you would flip the
[29:45] slide so we can see the map. Um thank
[29:49] you. The um
[29:52] issue is
[29:55] when this several subdivisions were
[29:58] developed, White Oak Street, which goes
[30:01] from Highway 78 and hooks down to Hidden
[30:04] Bay,
[30:05] >> sorry,
[30:06] >> 58.
[30:07] >> Highway 58, right?
[30:09] >> Um was supposed to continue um to have
[30:14] serve as a connection between
[30:15] subdivisions. Well, there actually is a
[30:19] portion of White Oak Street that is
[30:20] impassible. It was never um constructed
[30:25] as planned. So, essentially, we've got a
[30:28] White Oak Street segment coming off 58
[30:31] and a White Oak Street segment coming
[30:32] off of Hidden Bay, and it causes routing
[30:36] and emergency services and and mail
[30:38] delivery issues because of that gap in
[30:42] the street. Um, so the proposal is to um
[30:47] continue Circle Drive down to Hidden Bay
[30:50] Drive and cut White Oak Street. So it
[30:53] ends um before Circle Drive. And we have
[30:58] received um over 51% of
[31:02] um approval from the affected owners
[31:05] that are highlighted in red. And um we
[31:09] actually [clears throat] received
[31:09] another um petition for support the
[31:12] other day. So almost all of the owners
[31:15] have signed to agree to this change and
[31:18] if if you all would approve
[31:21] um we would update the 911 system to
[31:24] reflect and hopefully fix this issue for
[31:29] that's been there for many years.
[31:33] >> Okay. And here's a picture just showing
[31:35] that it's path. It's kind of a pathway,
[31:38] not even passable by emergency services,
[31:42] vehicle or mail delivery. Um, and eight
[31:46] owners now have signed the petition.
[31:52] » Okay.
[31:53] >> I'm sorry.
[31:54] >> And nine were affected, right?
[31:55] >> Nine were affected and eight.
[31:57] >> Right. And we've not received any u any
[32:00] note um that uh
[32:04] dis disapproves of the change.
[32:08] >> Okay. Thank you, Moren. We need to go in
[32:10] a public hearing.
[32:11] >> Make a motion to go into public hearing.
[32:12] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield,
[32:15] seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in
[32:16] favor? We are now in public hearing. Uh
[32:20] if anyone like to speak on this matter,
[32:21] Mr. Hudson, would you like to go first?
[32:28] Hi, I'm Derwood Hudson. I live on White
[32:30] Oak Street. Thank Thank you
[32:32] commissioners for listening. Thank you,
[32:34] Moren, for a hard job. Marian, I um I've
[32:39] delivered mail for 30 years, so I know
[32:41] changing dress is a bit of a pain, but
[32:43] it it's not that big of a struggle, but
[32:45] I live here.
[32:49] My wife has a her dad lives here, so we we've been here. She's been She's had
[32:55] her place for 40 years. I've been here
[32:57] for nine. I've seen I've seen people
[33:01] with GPS. It's horrible because if you
[33:03] get the GPS and you're coming from 58,
[33:05] it's going to take you here and it's
[33:07] going to take you here. And they've just
[33:09] This start here has just been put there.
[33:12] I mean, it was like where the creek used
[33:14] to be and it's not anymore. I've seen
[33:17] ambulances get caught and and go there.
[33:19] Most of the firemen do not because
[33:21] they've they've been there. they're on
[33:23] this side of 58 and it's going to turn
[33:25] them on to hidden bay. So, we understand
[33:28] it's kind of a pain, but we really
[33:30] appreciate if you guys could help us
[33:32] out. Thank you so much.
[33:34] >> Thank you, Mr. Hudson. Is there anyone
[33:36] else would like to speak?
[33:40] Is there a motion to go out of public
[33:42] hearing?
[33:43] >> So, move.
[33:43] >> Motion by Commissioner Wald, seconded by
[33:45] Commissioner Quinn. We are now out of
[33:47] public hearing.
[33:49] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, in an effort to uh
[33:52] puff for public safety, I'd make a
[33:54] motion to approve the request of the
[33:56] rename the affected portion of White Oak
[33:58] Street to Circle Drive. All right.
[34:00] Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield. Is
[34:02] there a second? Seconded by Commissioner
[34:04] Walder. All in favor?
[34:06] All right, that passes.
[34:10] Thank you all. Next, we have a public
[34:12] hearing for a road name change from
[34:15] Morris Lane to Sea Turtle Bay.
[34:18] Thank you, Moren. take it away.
[34:21] >> You're welcome. Uh, so this is a
[34:23] previous request that was tabled last um
[34:26] meeting. Just bringing it back. There's
[34:28] no um changes to the request.
[34:32] It's in Harker's Island. Morris Lane
[34:34] currently um which
[34:38] if we can see the map um
[34:42] Morris Lane is s currently only serving
[34:45] two properties and the applicant um owns
[34:49] these two properties and they wish to
[34:52] change Morris Lane to Sea Turtle Bay. Um
[34:55] the road actually um does cross Harker
[34:58] Island Electric, a property owned by
[35:01] Harker Island Electric. Um,
[35:04] uh, I did manage to find an official,
[35:08] um, subdivision plat that showed
[35:12] this driveway to be labeled Morris Lane.
[35:15] And there was a, um,
[35:18] a maintenance agreement that the owners
[35:22] um,
[35:24] submitted for um,
[35:27] mortgage approval um, to maintain Morris
[35:31] Lane. Um, and
[35:34] that's all the new information I have. I
[35:36] tried to present the applicant with some
[35:41] history of the Morrises down east. Um,
[35:43] and they still would like to change the
[35:45] name. So,
[35:48] >> okay. Is there a motion to go in a
[35:49] public hearing?
[35:50] >> So, moved.
[35:51] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield.
[35:52] >> Second.
[35:53] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. We are
[35:55] now in a public hearing. Is there anyone
[35:57] here that would like to speak on this
[35:58] matter?
[36:00] All right. All right, while I'll take
[36:01] the floor, I'm against this. Uh the
[36:04] Morrises that lived on that road was
[36:05] Lori Morris, his wife Brenda Morris, and
[36:08] his daughter Laura Morris. And uh you
[36:12] see these old guys walking down the
[36:14] street with a Vietnam hat on or a uh
[36:18] army hat or whatever. And then you see
[36:20] on the internet where it shows uh what
[36:23] that guy looked like 30, 40, 50 years
[36:26] ago when he's in his tiger stripe
[36:28] camouflage outfit holding his M16. He
[36:30] was much more badass dude looking back
[36:33] then than he is walking down Front
[36:35] Street here in Buffer and uh or Atlantic
[36:38] or Harker's Island or wherever. So
[36:40] that's the kind of guy Mr. Lori was in
[36:42] the Army or the Army Corps of Engineers.
[36:44] His wife, Miss Brenda, she was like a
[36:47] home health nurse. Uh but that was
[36:49] before you had home health. So they said
[36:51] the old people called it she set with
[36:52] people
[36:53] >> and her daughter Laura, she worked it
[36:55] out of crossroads and uh made those big
[36:58] cheese biscuits that everybody likes. If
[37:00] you hadn't had one of them, you're
[37:01] missing out. But so it might be Morris
[37:06] Street today. Next week it might be
[37:08] Willis Street or you go over to Newport
[37:10] and want to erase the Quins or the
[37:12] Garners or Mansfield Parkway over to
[37:14] Morehead. Now where does it stop? So,
[37:17] I'm for hanging with the badass guy back
[37:20] any years ago when I was in the army and
[37:23] not erasing a part of Downy's history or
[37:25] any other part of the history. And I'm
[37:27] for sticking to uh Morris Lane and I'm
[37:32] not for the sea turtles l not for Sea
[37:34] Turtle Bay. So, that's Chris's opinion
[37:37] and I appreciate my fellow commissioner
[37:40] support me on that.
[37:41] >> Mr. Chairman, motion to go out of public
[37:42] hearing.
[37:43] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield. Is
[37:45] there a second?
[37:46] >> Second. Seconded by Commissioner Clark.
[37:47] All in favor? We're now at a public
[37:50] hearing.
[37:52] Is there a motion on the floor?
[37:55] I'll make a motion that we denied a
[37:57] request.
[37:58] >> Second.
[38:00] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in
[38:02] favor?
[38:04] All right. Next item.
[38:07] >> Thank you.
[38:08] Moren. You've been with the
[38:10] county a long time and you do an
[38:11] excellent job for us.
[38:12] >> Thank you very much. Appreciate your
[38:14] help
[38:15] >> with Mr. Derwood.
[38:18] >> Next, we have the presentation and
[38:20] consideration of adoption of the
[38:21] comprehensive parks and recreation
[38:24] master plan for 2027
[38:26] all the way to 2042.
[38:29] Matt Renal, take it away, Matt.
[38:31] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the
[38:32] board. I still have a lot of years ahead
[38:34] of me, so we built a 15-year plan.
[38:36] >> All right.
[38:37] >> So, last year, the county contracted the
[38:39] McGill Associates to assist with the
[38:41] updating of our parts and rec master
[38:42] plan. The primary objectives were to
[38:45] assess the existing parks and programs,
[38:47] gather input from the community, and
[38:49] develop that amazing 15-year action
[38:51] plan. There was a lot of community
[38:52] engagement, which uh my partner here
[38:54] next to me will get into. Um but this
[38:56] master plan is to be used as a living
[38:58] document to help guide future program
[39:00] and financial decisions. It is also
[39:02] necessary to have this plan adopted by
[39:04] the board so that when we apply for
[39:06] grants such as part and others that we
[39:08] have and it's up to date on it. uh to
[39:10] introduce Nate uh with McGill
[39:12] Associates. He's been the project lead.
[39:14] He has over 20 years experience working
[39:16] in parks and wreck at the local, state,
[39:18] and federal level in addition to a
[39:19] master's degree in parks and wreck from
[39:21] UNCC Greensboro. And he was the program
[39:23] manager or project manager, sorry, on
[39:26] North Carolina's statewide outdoor wreck
[39:28] plan. So, with that, I'll turn the next
[39:30] portion over to Nate. And there's there
[39:33] we go.
[39:34] >> Good evening, commissioners. How are we
[39:35] all? So, it's encouraging to hear that
[39:38] you had members of the public that come
[39:39] out and talk about how important parks
[39:42] and recreation is for the county. Um,
[39:43] it's encouraging because uh you as the
[39:46] leaders in the community saw that in
[39:47] advance and took steps to do this plan.
[39:50] Um, the document itself is over 100
[39:52] pages long. I don't think anybody wants
[39:54] me to go through all 100 pages tonight.
[39:56] Um, I am going to go and hit the high
[39:58] points. You're welcome to stop me at any
[39:59] point in time if you'd like. And Nate,
[40:00] just to let everybody know, this parks
[40:03] and recrecks, the plan that he's talking
[40:05] about is in the agenda package for
[40:07] tonight,
[40:08] >> so you can see it as well.
[40:09] >> That's right. Yep. Um, so, uh, as I
[40:12] said, commissioners, you're welcome to
[40:14] stop me as we're going through this. I
[40:15] am going to hit the high points. Um, all
[40:18] right. So, we're going to start with,
[40:20] um, what is one of the most critical
[40:22] pieces of the comprehensive plan. Um,
[40:25] that being the public input. And just to
[40:27] let you know on the high notes, what
[40:28] we've gone through to include to to
[40:30] understand what the public wants is a
[40:32] statistically valid survey that's been done to academic standards. We
[40:35] actually partnered with a firm that does
[40:37] these all across the country. So it was
[40:38] done at the highest level possible. We
[40:40] also offered an open survey um that was
[40:43] not only done and and encouraged
[40:45] community members to participate, but it
[40:46] was also broken up in a way so that we
[40:48] can understand, you know, what the area
[40:50] residents around um Morehead or Marman
[40:53] or whatever part of the county what they
[40:55] were interested in. we can see kind of
[40:57] in greater detail what they'd like. Um
[40:59] we also had public input meetings that
[41:01] were spread around the county. We had
[41:02] staff um staff meetings and focus group
[41:04] meetings. Now what we're going to do is
[41:06] whenever we go through the actual
[41:07] recommendation piece, it's more or less
[41:09] a conglomeration of what that is. I'm
[41:11] not going to go through each one of
[41:12] those in great depth. Um all right. So
[41:16] the other thing that we did was that we
[41:18] compared your park system against the
[41:20] National Recreation Parks Association
[41:21] metrics. This is a best practice and
[41:24] what it does is it compares your system
[41:27] in particular what we're talking about
[41:28] is uh parks and recreation facilities
[41:30] that the county itself owns against
[41:32] comparably sized communities ac around
[41:34] the county I'm sorry around the country.
[41:37] Um what we have up on the screen it may
[41:38] be a little bit hard to see but what I
[41:40] want you to pay attention to is um first
[41:42] up before we get into this parks and
[41:44] recreation metrics and benchmarking is
[41:48] not standards. All right. So, what we
[41:51] see up on the screen is um if it is in
[41:53] red, it's below uh benchmark. If it's in
[41:57] green, it's within benchmark. If it's in
[41:58] blue, it's above benchmark. The reason
[42:00] why I brought up standards is it's
[42:02] important to understand that if you're
[42:03] below benchmark in a certain area, it
[42:05] doesn't mean that you're failing. What
[42:07] it is actually doing is describing what
[42:09] the community has and then we'll compare
[42:11] that to what the actual residents want.
[42:13] So, as you'll see here, there's several
[42:15] areas where you're actually above
[42:16] benchmark
[42:18] and and a lot of those are athletic
[42:20] fields related. That doesn't mean that
[42:22] you don't need more of that. That just
[42:24] means that that's how your current
[42:25] system is stacked up. Right now, your parks and recreation system is more
[42:30] leaning towards a more active recreation
[42:32] style system.
[42:34] All right. So, some of the other things
[42:36] that we took into account are your
[42:37] program related data. And as I
[42:39] mentioned, um, just because you have
[42:42] more athletic fields doesn't mean that
[42:44] you have too many. What we have up on
[42:46] the screen here is a review of some of
[42:48] your athletic programs. And, and what I
[42:51] want you to see is the trends that are
[42:52] going on. So, your baseball programs are
[42:54] continuing to grow. Your soccer programs
[42:56] are continuing to grow. And then the one
[42:58] that's on the biggest area down there is
[43:00] total travel ball participation that's
[43:02] going on. And this is a trend that's not
[43:05] only happening just in Carter County,
[43:07] but it's happening all around the count
[43:08] around the country is more and more um
[43:11] athletics is being not only used to
[43:14] encourage local participation, but more
[43:15] and more competit it's becoming um
[43:18] competitive in the sense that it's
[43:19] drawing more people in from out of the
[43:21] area. Um so why is that important?
[43:25] Whenever we benchmark your system
[43:27] against other comparably sized
[43:29] communities around the county, your park
[43:31] system in terms of acreage is low.
[43:34] Um, and why that's important is whenever
[43:39] you have a smaller system like what you
[43:41] currently have now in terms of acres,
[43:44] the the parks that you have um can get
[43:47] loved to death. And and whenever that
[43:49] happens, no matter how strong of an
[43:51] effort your parks and recreation
[43:53] department is making, your facilities
[43:55] are going to get worn out. They're going
[43:56] to get used. And as we saw with this,
[43:58] with more and more people using your
[44:00] facilities, it's straining that system.
[44:03] Uh it's jumping around. That's just
[44:06] something to bear in mind. And that's
[44:07] not true of just Carter County. It
[44:09] happens a lot that whenever you build a
[44:10] system and you have a lot of growth
[44:12] that's coming in, in particular,
[44:14] especially with y'all having Interstate
[44:15] 42 coming in, that's more and more
[44:17] what's happening. your parks department
[44:18] is doing a great job. It's just your
[44:20] facilities are getting strained. So, the
[44:23] next piece that I want to pull up is
[44:24] unmet facility needs.
[44:27] Um, if you look at kind of from the
[44:30] bottom to the top, if you see more red,
[44:32] it means that those are not those are
[44:34] unmet needs. If you see it in blue, it's
[44:37] a partially met need. I'm sorry, in
[44:39] gray, it's a partially met need. If you
[44:41] notice, your athletic fields are up
[44:43] towards the top.
[44:45] Now, that doesn't mean that you don't
[44:46] need more athletic fields. Your your
[44:48] recreation program data is actually
[44:50] saying that you have need for more
[44:53] athletic fields 100%. What this is
[44:55] saying is that you actually have
[44:57] community members that desire recreation
[44:59] that isn't athletic fields.
[45:01] So, you have both a desire for passive
[45:03] recreation, trails, hiking, biking, um
[45:07] those type of things, and there's also a
[45:09] desire for um more of those athletic
[45:12] fields. But right now, both of those
[45:14] demands are trying to be met by a very
[45:16] limited amount of parkland.
[45:20] All right. So, why do I bring this up?
[45:22] Um, so whenever we asked through the
[45:24] statistically valid survey how important
[45:26] it was to have high quality to fund high
[45:29] quality parks and recreation in the
[45:31] county, the part that I want to draw you
[45:32] to is 68% I'm sorry, 64% said it was
[45:37] very important. The part that I want to
[45:39] really draw your attention to is that
[45:41] only 1% think that it's not important.
[45:44] And I want to let that sink in. We've
[45:46] heard a lot about uh people talking
[45:48] about how important it is for the youth
[45:49] to have recreation, but this is saying
[45:51] it's not just important for the youth to
[45:53] have recreation. It's important to
[45:55] virtually everybody in the entire
[45:57] community. So, I want you to bear that
[45:59] in mind as you're using this tool, this
[46:00] comprehensive plan, as a resource over
[46:02] the next 15 years.
[46:04] All right. So, how do you stack up? We
[46:06] also benchmarked you uh both nationally
[46:08] and against comparably sized counties
[46:10] around uh the state in terms of what
[46:13] you're spending on operational funds.
[46:16] For the state, you're actually not doing
[46:17] too bad. Um you know, a lot of those
[46:20] other counties that are of comparable
[46:21] size are more inland. Whenever we look
[46:23] at um another kind of coastal community,
[46:26] you're you're pretty close to where
[46:27] they're at. They're slightly above you.
[46:28] But whenever we benchmark you against
[46:30] those national tiers, those uh the
[46:32] national lower median and upper cortile,
[46:34] you're a little bit lower. And the
[46:36] reason why I wanted to bring that in and
[46:37] why that's important is you have a
[46:39] destination. Your community is important
[46:42] not just to your residents but to
[46:43] non-residents. And being able to bring
[46:46] people in is central to to not just your
[46:49] quality of life but also to your
[46:51] economy. So that's that's important to
[46:52] bring that in.
[46:54] All right. So whenever we we also did
[46:58] some kind of tangential study within uh
[47:00] the comprehensive plan Carter County
[47:02] through visitnc data um recreation is a
[47:05] significant portion of your local
[47:07] economy. Um you have $743 million it's
[47:11] spending related to tourism. 107 of that
[47:14] is recreation related. That doesn't mean
[47:16] that it's you know your parks and
[47:17] recreation department alone but it is a
[47:19] significant portion of it. And what
[47:21] we're going to get at, and I'm going to
[47:22] kind of tip my hand here for just a
[47:24] second, is sports tourism is a growing
[47:27] portion of the the US economy and it's
[47:30] really important to a lot of different
[47:31] places. Right now, your community just
[47:34] because of your system being so small,
[47:36] you're really not really able to serve
[47:37] that niche just yet. But it is something
[47:40] that we want to uh that as we're going
[47:42] to go through here in just a second, it
[47:44] is something that we think that you
[47:45] should start to look at. So, I'm going
[47:47] to get in kind of two terms. I'm going
[47:49] to go through. There's a lot of detail
[47:50] within the plan that's talking about how
[47:52] the plan should actually roll out in
[47:54] terms of facilities and programs. I want
[47:56] you to take two major themes home with
[47:59] you. The first of which is most of your
[48:01] parks right now around the county and we
[48:03] also look to see where the municipal
[48:05] parks were at and also your school
[48:06] facilities. Most of your parks to date
[48:08] have been largely developed in coastal
[48:11] areas and in the sound areas and
[48:13] certainly you have the national for
[48:15] forest that's currently inland. But with
[48:17] Interstate 42 development coming in, we
[48:21] really think that the county should
[48:22] start to look at inland areas for
[48:24] parkland and do some feasibility
[48:27] research into whether that be a nature
[48:29] type uh type park, a sports tourism
[48:32] destination. Um because you know if you
[48:35] develop a park that is one able to serve
[48:37] the residents first but also maybe in
[48:40] the shoulder seasons um whenever you
[48:42] could maybe you develop a sports tourism
[48:44] complex or maybe you develop a nature
[48:46] park that's inland that not only serves
[48:49] those residents during your peak times
[48:50] but in the offseason and the and in your
[48:52] shoulder season is also able to put more
[48:54] heads in your beds to to bring more
[48:56] tourists into the area which also
[48:58] bolsters your local economy. And doing
[49:00] that we think is really essential to by
[49:02] trying to find some inland area to
[49:04] expand your park system.
[49:07] The other thing that we want you to
[49:08] think about is your program base. Um
[49:11] right now your staff is giving it all
[49:12] they can, but a lot of the passive
[49:15] recreation programs that the community
[49:17] wants, you need more space to be able to
[49:19] offer it. So a lot of things that the
[49:20] community is interested in are things
[49:22] like special events, uh more fitness
[49:24] areas, programs for seniors and
[49:27] different age groups. But the way your
[49:29] current system is set up is because if
[49:31] it's more active recreation, you have to
[49:34] have additional land to be able to offer
[49:36] more of those program spaces and it's
[49:38] going to take you a little bit of time
[49:39] to actually get there. So, in time
[49:41] expanding more of that passive
[49:42] recreation to serve uh the community.
[49:46] All right. Again, this was just an
[49:48] overview. What I have up on the screen
[49:50] are kind of what the details look like.
[49:52] I know that you've had a chance to see
[49:53] it. The community will also have a
[49:54] chance to see it. that we finitely go
[49:56] through the very um regimented list of
[49:59] not only the details that you think that
[50:01] we think you need to to pursue over the
[50:03] next 15 years but broke that break those
[50:05] down into different areas and prioritize
[50:08] them. The other thing that we do is we
[50:11] also give you a list of capital um
[50:13] considerations that you should make over
[50:15] the next 15 years. Now, I will say that
[50:17] whenever you look at those capital
[50:19] projects, it benefits you to have a
[50:22] larger list within there that really
[50:24] describes the whole area of what the
[50:26] county would really need with the idea
[50:28] that if it's listed in there, you can
[50:30] actually go after grant funds. If it's
[50:32] not listed in there, you really struggle
[50:34] to go after grant [snorts] funding for
[50:35] it. Um, and then it's really meant to be
[50:38] a piece that helps you make decisions.
[50:40] Most communities will not go in and
[50:42] develop 100% of what's recommended, but
[50:44] it does give you a road map of, you
[50:46] know, what uh what you can pick and
[50:48] choose and go after grant funding and
[50:49] move forward.
[50:51] All right. Um, with that being, like I
[50:53] said, I meant for this to be an over uh
[50:55] an overview of the the comp plan. Um,
[50:58] and I'm happy to entertain any questions
[50:59] that you may have.
[51:02] >> Any questions?
[51:05] >> So, does McGill
[51:08] Sorry. Is that okay? Go ahead. Cool.
[51:11] >> So, does does Miguel stay with us for
[51:13] any length of time after the publication
[51:15] of this? I mean, do we have you as a as
[51:18] a resource to
[51:19] >> I I will say so a lot of the communities
[51:22] we do end up staying on and working with
[51:24] the communities after the comprehensive
[51:26] plan for feasibility studies for sight
[51:29] specific master plans for more detailed
[51:31] analysis of the data that we collected.
[51:33] Uh I'd say that happens probably 70 or
[51:35] 80% of the time.
[51:40] So, we have to have this plan, Matt,
[51:43] ever renewed ever so often to be
[51:46] eligible to apply for grants.
[51:48] >> Yes, sir. The standard is typically 10
[51:50] years, and correct me if I say anything
[51:52] wrong, but typically 10 years. We're
[51:54] just looking a little bit further out.
[51:55] >> Yeah. So, uh, two of the major grants
[51:57] that the state offers, the parks and
[51:59] recreation trust fund and land and water
[52:00] conservation fund. I used to manage
[52:02] those for the state. So, this plan has
[52:04] been developed to help you go after
[52:06] those grant funding. uh it it is a
[52:08] 10-year window um for this plan to
[52:11] actually be eligible for those.
[52:12] Typically, a community will come in
[52:14] later and then actually update it. But
[52:16] yes, this plan will help you over the
[52:17] next 10 years go after grant funding.
[52:22] [clears throat]
[52:22] >> Okay. So, while you were in the midst of
[52:27] this, did you get close enough to our
[52:30] county to know or to see some of the
[52:33] regions instead of just saying inland
[52:36] where some of that land might be of
[52:39] interest for a
[52:42] >> Yeah, there are, if I can bring up on
[52:44] the map, um the zone area one, you're
[52:48] going to have you're having a lot of
[52:49] growth that's happening along the um
[52:52] >> highway that area. Yeah. Highway 50 area
[52:54] and then also Interstate 42 as that's
[52:58] coming through especially around kind of
[52:59] the Newport area and the connecting
[53:01] pieces between that. Um you do the down
[53:04] east community definitely had a lot of
[53:06] expressed need. So I would not put that
[53:08] off. It's just that's going to need to
[53:10] be developed more for local use. The
[53:13] your thoroughares your major highways
[53:15] are going to be where you're going to be
[53:16] able to hit the double benefit of
[53:19] serving the residents plus also
[53:20] attracting visitors. I would the only
[53:23] thing I'd add to that is we actually
[53:24] recommend a feasibility study within it
[53:26] so that you can go in and know you know
[53:28] if you put a certain investment level
[53:30] into a park what your ROI is going to be
[53:32] on that site and how many visitors you
[53:34] may actually be able to attract with
[53:35] that particular park.
[53:38] And just of note, you did make note in
[53:42] the report that of 160,000 acres that we
[53:48] have of Croatan National Forest, 54 of
[53:52] it, 54,000 you said onethird is in
[53:56] Carter County,
[53:57] >> right? Yeah. So, good point. Yes, the
[53:59] Croatan is definitely described within
[54:01] it. We also outline not just that, but
[54:03] other recreational opportunities that
[54:05] are found. Um, and the Croan forest
[54:09] plays a massive role in serving passive
[54:11] recreation, but it doesn't serve all of
[54:13] the need that's out there.
[54:18] » Okay, any further questions?
[54:22] >> We're going to need a motion to adopt
[54:24] the comprehensive park and recreation
[54:26] master plan.
[54:29] >> So moved. Motion by Commissioner Walder.
[54:31] >> Second.
[54:31] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in
[54:33] favor?
[54:36] >> All right.
[54:37] >> Have a good evening.
[54:38] >> We'll be in we'll be in touch, I guess.
[54:40] >> And it's worth looking at. So, if you
[54:42] guys can go out and find our agenda
[54:44] package, go look at allund
[54:48] x number of pages of it.
[54:49] >> Don't go nowhere, Ronnie. The main
[54:50] event's coming up right now. [laughter]
[54:53] >> Don't go nowhere.
[54:55] Ne
[54:57] next next is we're going to have
[54:58] discussion about the tennis court needs
[55:00] for the Carter County Public School
[55:02] System. Mr. Richard Pal.
[55:05] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate being
[55:07] referred to as the main event.
[55:08] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[55:11] >> Um so I am here to discuss uh tennis
[55:13] court needs um and advocate for our
[55:15] youth. Um
[55:17] I became an assistant superintendent 9
[55:19] years ago and when I became up to the uh
[55:21] district office at that time we were
[55:23] talking about the need for tennis
[55:24] courts. Um at that time we were also
[55:26] talking about a bond referendum. Um and
[55:29] the the numbers for that bond referendum
[55:30] was uh they were put together in the
[55:32] years of 2016 and 2017. Um but that bond
[55:36] was not voted on until 2020 as you know.
[55:39] Um at that time um we we had CO and um
[55:43] we had a $42 million bond and uh the
[55:46] first two projects that were bid out
[55:48] were not accepted because of the bids
[55:50] were so high. And then uh we went back
[55:51] to the drawing board with our architect
[55:53] and figured out that for the $42 million
[55:55] bond we really needed about $80 million
[55:57] to complete all the projects on the bond
[56:00] list. Um at that time the bond committee
[56:03] decided to concentrate on uh number one
[56:06] safety and number two was capacity of
[56:08] our schools. And so that's what we did.
[56:11] Um right now we're getting down to the
[56:13] end of our bond money. Um we just uh
[56:16] approved the the last project. Um the
[56:19] last major project which will be a
[56:21] renovation at East Carter High School.
[56:23] Um, I originally I was on the agenda
[56:26] tonight to come to you and talk to you
[56:27] about the need and I planned on coming
[56:29] and showing you the slides of how how
[56:31] bad a shape our tennis courts and and
[56:32] even our tracks are in. Um, but that
[56:34] changed on Friday when the bond
[56:36] committee met. Um, we we do have a
[56:39] little bit of money left over um that
[56:41] the the last of the bond money and the
[56:42] bond committee decided to um bid out
[56:45] tennis courts and so we are going to bid
[56:47] out tennis courts. Um we're putting
[56:48] together the package right now for East
[56:51] Carter, West Carter, and Croatan. Um and
[56:54] we're also going to take some alternate
[56:55] bids for our tracks. So um there there's
[56:57] needs for all uh tracks at all three of
[56:59] our schools. We actually have a track at
[57:01] Bro Creek Middle School, but we're going
[57:03] to concentrate on our high schools for
[57:04] now. Um and we're going to uh definitely
[57:07] put the bids out for the tennis courts.
[57:09] So
[57:10] >> any question?
[57:11] >> Thank you, Mr. Per. I think everybody's
[57:13] pleased to hear that we got a couple
[57:14] million dollars going after the tennis
[57:17] courts first and uh the tracks are in
[57:19] horrible shape as well. A lot of
[57:21] settling and uh going to need to be
[57:24] totally redone and what money we have
[57:26] left over or hopefully in the near
[57:28] future we'll be taking the tracks next.
[57:30] >> Right. We may need a need from from you
[57:31] guys for the tracks, but we we feel
[57:33] pretty confident about tennis courts.
[57:35] >> Okay.
[57:36] >> All right. Thank you, Richie.
[57:37] >> Thank you.
[57:37] >> All right. Thank you.
[57:38] >> Okay.
[57:40] Now you can go, Ronnie.
[57:44] >> I didn't want you to miss that.
[57:47] >> All right. Next, we have our items that
[57:49] we moved off of the consent agenda,
[57:51] which is uh item nine and 10, approval
[57:55] of a jail diversion recovery service
[57:57] agreement with Loaves and Fishes. And
[57:59] item 10, approval of a jail diversion
[58:01] recovery service agreement with the
[58:03] Mariam.
[58:05] Is there any discussion?
[58:08] >> Mr. Chairman, thank you. I was it was it
[58:10] was my request to remove those from the
[58:12] consent agenda. Um and the reason for
[58:17] the request, so earlier, as you recall,
[58:19] earlier this month, we had a meeting um
[58:22] with with vendors and the county staff,
[58:26] uh the sheriff's department, health
[58:27] department um to discuss the current
[58:31] contract that we have with a vendor to
[58:33] provide
[58:34] uh mental health, substance abuse
[58:37] treatment.
[58:39] Um, that's been kind of a rocky road
[58:41] since that contract was signed
[58:44] originally.
[58:45] Um, so
[58:49] I would like to see before we sign
[58:51] contracts with two more entities, I
[58:54] would like to see some results or find
[58:56] out um if there's any results or if
[59:00] anything's changed, if we've made any
[59:02] improvements or progress following our
[59:05] meeting earlier this month.
[59:08] uh and then to also uh evaluate the
[59:12] success of the um contract that we have
[59:16] currently and to
[59:20] look at the necessity the actual
[59:21] necessity of signing a contract with two
[59:25] more entities. I don't feel like we're
[59:29] fully utilizing the contract that we
[59:31] have with Southeastern Integrated Care.
[59:35] That's who we currently have a contract
[59:37] with. I don't think we're fully
[59:39] utilizing that contract and we did that
[59:43] in good faith and I feel like before we
[59:47] signed additional contracts with other
[59:51] agencies
[59:52] um
[59:54] we need to evaluate the the real need
[59:56] and necessity for them. These other
[59:58] agencies have been providing a service
[1:00:02] uh to my knowledge. I didn't know about
[1:00:04] it prior but they were providing a
[1:00:06] service without a contract. Uh they were
[1:00:09] operating I think there were some some
[1:00:11] insurance issues which I understand now
[1:00:13] have been resolved but also these are
[1:00:17] nothing against it but these are
[1:00:20] religion-based organizations. I don't
[1:00:22] have a bit of problem with with
[1:00:24] religion-based organizations but the
[1:00:26] county has to be very careful as to how
[1:00:29] we uh conduct business with them. We
[1:00:32] can't just, you know, I encourage
[1:00:35] everybody to go to church and pray and
[1:00:37] whatnot, but there's a time and a place
[1:00:40] and there's and there's a service for
[1:00:42] that. So, we have to be very careful
[1:00:45] about what we do and and how we uh
[1:00:48] interact with with those organizations.
[1:00:52] So, I'm not saying that we don't need
[1:00:54] those uh additional contracts. So, I'm
[1:00:56] just saying I would like to know the
[1:00:58] exact necessity and and a little bit of
[1:01:02] time to to decide if the meeting that we
[1:01:06] had was fruitful, if there's any
[1:01:08] benefits for it from it, if it was
[1:01:10] productive at all. I don't know. I
[1:01:12] haven't got I haven't gotten any reports
[1:01:14] uh one way or the other on that from
[1:01:16] that meeting. So, um, I don't think it's
[1:01:19] a big deal to give it a little bit more
[1:01:21] time till the next meeting or maybe the
[1:01:24] following meeting to make a decision.
[1:01:27] That was the only only point I I wanted
[1:01:30] to make and removing those.
[1:01:33] >> Okay. Well, certainly I respect your
[1:01:35] opinion as always. U, but I don't like
[1:01:39] having all our eggs in one basket. We
[1:01:41] know mental health is a big issue here
[1:01:43] in Carter County and uh the Loaves and
[1:01:47] Fishes folks have been providing a
[1:01:48] service for us. The Mariam Tammy Thomas,
[1:01:51] former deputy sheriff, uh excellent
[1:01:54] individual running an excellent program.
[1:01:56] These people when they go to this jail
[1:01:59] diversion, they are in the custody of
[1:02:01] the sheriff. So really, we shouldn't be
[1:02:03] we should be approving a contract or the
[1:02:05] county manager should be approving a
[1:02:06] contract, but really it's up to our
[1:02:07] sheriff. We have a very fine sheriff,
[1:02:09] John Nyberg, back there in the
[1:02:10] background. Chief Deputy, uh, David
[1:02:14] Clifton. I was getting it out. Uh, David
[1:02:18] Clifton doing an excellent job for us.
[1:02:20] And when people come to our jail and
[1:02:23] it's determined that they have mental
[1:02:24] health issues and maybe a program,
[1:02:27] whether it be a religious program, and I
[1:02:28] think studies show that religious
[1:02:30] programs have a better outcome than some
[1:02:33] of the other programs. I've been told
[1:02:34] that uh those folks once they're
[1:02:38] determined to fit into that uh group
[1:02:40] that can go here to these programs
[1:02:42] instead of being in our overly populated
[1:02:45] jail. You know, we have 160ome people in
[1:02:47] our jail that's designed for 114 people.
[1:02:50] Uh so we have these programs that we can
[1:02:52] place them in the Loaves and Fishes or
[1:02:55] Southeastern or the Marryiam and it
[1:02:57] helps the county out.
[1:02:59] Uh, and we talked about doing this last
[1:03:01] month, and we did find that there was
[1:03:04] some insurance issues. Our great county
[1:03:07] manager and county attorney, Sharon
[1:03:08] Griffin, uh, went over the contracts
[1:03:11] with a fine tooth comb and picked up
[1:03:13] that they didn't have the adequate
[1:03:15] insurance. So, she reached out to them
[1:03:16] and they obtained the insurance. And,
[1:03:19] uh, I feel like we need a multitude of
[1:03:21] services
[1:03:23] at our disposal, not just one. And the
[1:03:25] contract we have with Southeastern
[1:03:28] is not an exclusive contract. We we have
[1:03:30] a contract to send folks there, but it
[1:03:33] doesn't exclude us from having contracts
[1:03:34] with other people to be able to send
[1:03:36] them wherever they might fit best. So, I
[1:03:39] would like to move forward with the
[1:03:40] agreements, but it's up to the rest of
[1:03:43] the commissioners what they say.
[1:03:47] Commissioner Walder, you got an opinion?
[1:03:49] >> I support your position, uh, Chairman. I
[1:03:52] also believe that in the past um we've
[1:03:56] also used multiple opportunities for
[1:03:59] recovery. Miriam's not new to our
[1:04:03] program. We've been using Miriam
[1:04:05] although they are exclusive to women. Um
[1:04:08] I think there is an opportunity for um
[1:04:13] many um recovery programs because I
[1:04:17] don't believe one sizefits-all.
[1:04:21] Commissioner Quinn,
[1:04:25] » I certainly do appreciate um
[1:04:27] Commissioner Shin's request to consider
[1:04:30] and go back over a lot of the uh
[1:04:33] agreements that we have had, but I feel
[1:04:35] that the uh the more I've thought about
[1:04:37] it and the in the meetings that we have
[1:04:39] had previously that we've done that and
[1:04:41] that we've asked um our the other two
[1:04:45] organizations that we've had a long
[1:04:46] relationship with to come up with the
[1:04:49] insurance that they need. We are not in
[1:04:52] breach of any contracts with any of the
[1:04:55] organizations that we have currently
[1:04:56] signed. And again, I I do agree with
[1:05:00] Commissioner Waldruff that it's not a
[1:05:03] one-sizefits-all as far as treatment
[1:05:06] programs are concerned. Some treatment
[1:05:08] facilities, treatment programs, and
[1:05:10] methods of treatment uh are going to be
[1:05:12] more effective for indiv certain
[1:05:14] individuals and not maybe for others. So
[1:05:16] I I I'm for moving forward uh with um of
[1:05:20] these contracts. Thank you.
[1:05:21] >> Thank you, Vice Chairman Mansfield.
[1:05:24] >> I mean, I don't I don't have much many
[1:05:26] thoughts. I mean, I agree with what
[1:05:27] everybody said here tonight, but
[1:05:32] >> have a little bit more time would
[1:05:33] probably help, but I mean, I think
[1:05:36] competition is good. I'm for free
[1:05:37] market. I'm not for government picking
[1:05:39] winners and losers. Uh, Commissioner
[1:05:41] Clark,
[1:05:43] >> I'm uh I think that the key part of the argument is exclusivity and we
[1:05:49] don't have an exclusive as you've
[1:05:50] already mentioned with uh the one that
[1:05:54] we've signed and so I would I would vote
[1:05:57] that we just proceed.
[1:05:59] >> Okay. So, we need to take a vote on that
[1:06:01] or
[1:06:03] >> Yes, if you could take two votes, one on
[1:06:05] loves and fishes and one on the Miriam,
[1:06:08] please.
[1:06:08] >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the
[1:06:11] contract with Loaves and Fishes for a
[1:06:13] jail diversion recovery service?
[1:06:16] >> Just for the record, Mr. Chairman, I'm
[1:06:18] going to maintain my motion as before to
[1:06:22] uh table the contracts until a further
[1:06:26] meeting to evaluate the necessity.
[1:06:29] >> So, we need to vote on that motion.
[1:06:31] >> You need to see if there's a second in
[1:06:32] the on the motion to table.
[1:06:35] >> Okay. Is there a second to table this?
[1:06:39] Without a second, that motion fails.
[1:06:41] Correct.
[1:06:42] >> That's correct.
[1:06:42] >> All right. So now, do we we need a
[1:06:45] motion to approve a jail diversion
[1:06:47] recovery service agreement with Lowe's
[1:06:48] and Fishes?
[1:06:50] >> So move.
[1:06:51] >> Motion by Commissioner Wald.
[1:06:54] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in
[1:06:56] favor?
[1:06:59] Any opposed?
[1:07:01] All right. Next, we need an
[1:07:04] approval of a agreement for jail
[1:07:07] diversion services with the Mariam.
[1:07:10] >> So moved.
[1:07:11] >> Motion by Commissioner Waldrip.
[1:07:13] >> Second.
[1:07:14] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in
[1:07:16] favor?
[1:07:18] All right. Motion carries.
[1:07:21] All right.
[1:07:23] We good there?
[1:07:24] >> Yes.
[1:07:26] >> Next is the manager's report.
[1:07:28] >> That's me. I'll be very brief. Thank you
[1:07:30] everyone for being here this evening and
[1:07:33] thank you to our commissioners for all
[1:07:34] the work that they do. Couple of
[1:07:35] announcements in observance of Labor
[1:07:38] Day. Most county offices will be closed
[1:07:41] on Monday, September 7th. It's a little
[1:07:43] late this year and we do wish everyone a
[1:07:46] safe and enjoyable Labor Day weekend.
[1:07:48] Also, um please remember we're getting
[1:07:51] into the month in September that
[1:07:54] unfortunately is the peak of our
[1:07:55] hurricane season. If you've not made
[1:07:58] arrangements in your own household and
[1:08:00] with pets and with anyone that you care
[1:08:03] for, like an elderly parent, um make
[1:08:06] sure to make some plans to be prepared
[1:08:08] for hurricane season and to have um some
[1:08:11] things ready in your household. We all
[1:08:13] remember some of the ones that have come
[1:08:15] through and uh kind of stuck around a
[1:08:17] little longer than we wanted them to.
[1:08:19] So, we want to make sure everyone's
[1:08:20] still keeping that at the front of their
[1:08:22] mind. And maybe if we prepare really
[1:08:25] well, nothing will happen, right?
[1:08:28] >> So, um, anyways, we're hoping, right,
[1:08:32] >> Billy still over there? Yes. Yeah. Okay.
[1:08:34] Um, also, the board of elections are
[1:08:37] recruiting and the and the staff over
[1:08:40] there. We're are recruiting precinct
[1:08:42] officials right now for the November
[1:08:44] general election. This is so important.
[1:08:47] And we have training coming up in
[1:08:48] September.
[1:08:50] Um, precinct officials can either be
[1:08:53] paid or volunteer and you need to
[1:08:55] register um as a Carter County voter
[1:08:58] before you can be a precinct official.
[1:09:01] So, if you're not registered to vote
[1:09:02] here in Carter County, you probably
[1:09:04] can't be a precinct official here. But
[1:09:06] if you're if you are registered here and
[1:09:09] you're interested in serving, please
[1:09:11] call the board of elections to learn
[1:09:13] more about signing up for that. And
[1:09:15] that's all I have unless any of you have
[1:09:16] questions. Thank you. Any questions of
[1:09:19] the manager? All right. Next, we have
[1:09:22] appointments. First one is Carter
[1:09:24] Community College Board of Trustees,
[1:09:26] Cindy Brown. All in favor of Miss Brown.
[1:09:31] Next is the Carter County Buffer Airport
[1:09:33] Authority, myself, James Fwell, Roy
[1:09:37] Graham, Patrick Joyce, and Randall
[1:09:40] Ramsey.
[1:09:40] >> Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to
[1:09:41] approve Commissioner Chadwick, Mr.
[1:09:43] Fwell, Mr. Graham, Mr. Joyce, and Mr.
[1:09:45] Ramsey to be reappointed for another
[1:09:47] two-year term.
[1:09:48] >> All right. All in favor of all those
[1:09:49] folks.
[1:09:51] Next, we have Civilian Military
[1:09:53] Community Council, Commissioner Maryanne
[1:09:55] Waldrip.
[1:09:56] >> I'll make a motion to appoint M. Waldrip
[1:09:58] to a perpetual term to the Civilian
[1:10:00] Military Community Council.
[1:10:02] >> All right. All in favor, Commissioner
[1:10:03] Waldrip.
[1:10:05] >> Next, we have Consolidated
[1:10:07] Human Service Board, Dr. Joseph Smith.
[1:10:12] [snorts] All in favor, Mr. Smith.
[1:10:16] Next, we have the Highway 70 corridor
[1:10:18] commissioner, uh, former mayor mayor of
[1:10:20] Morehead City, Jerry Jones. Mr.
[1:10:22] >> Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to
[1:10:24] appoint Mr. Jones as the Highway 42,
[1:10:27] Interstate 42 on the Highway 70 corridor
[1:10:30] commissioner.
[1:10:31] >> All in favor, Mr. Jones.
[1:10:33] Next, we have the Juvenile Crime
[1:10:35] Prevention Council, Jackson Valentine.
[1:10:39] All in favor, Mr. Valentine.
[1:10:44] Next, we have the Carter County Planning
[1:10:46] Board, Michelle Moffett, to a three-year
[1:10:50] term expiring August 17th, 2029. All in
[1:10:54] favor, Miss Moffett.
[1:10:58] Next, we have the Senior Center Advisory
[1:11:01] Board, uh, Shirley Cobb, a reappointment
[1:11:04] to a two-year term. All in favor, Miss
[1:11:07] Cobb.
[1:11:09] Okay, that does it. Next, we have
[1:11:11] commissioner comment.
[1:11:13] Start down there with Mr. Clark.
[1:11:15] Commissioner Clark.
[1:11:16] >> Thank you, Chairman. Um, I'll be brief,
[1:11:19] but I will make u
[1:11:23] I would like to direct to some comments
[1:11:25] that were dear toward us earlier. Um,
[1:11:29] as a followup since we can discuss it in
[1:11:32] this forum, this [clears throat] county
[1:11:34] does not have any contracts and in while
[1:11:38] I'm sitting here, we have no intention
[1:11:41] of getting contracts with any flaw
[1:11:43] camera companies.
[1:11:44] >> I I'm I'm speaking
[1:11:46] >> so they may be on the street. The NC DOT
[1:11:50] has control of streets, but the county,
[1:11:53] you can pull up our our budget and you
[1:11:55] can comb every page and you won't find
[1:11:58] us paying for any flop cameras. So, I
[1:12:01] don't know where you got your
[1:12:02] information and I'm not denying that the
[1:12:04] cameras are there. But this board here
[1:12:07] didn't put them in place because I'm I'm
[1:12:10] as adamant against those kind of things
[1:12:11] as you are.
[1:12:12] >> You're a commissioner. They're all over.
[1:12:14] >> We don't control
[1:12:15] >> uh Excuse me, Commissioner Clark. Sir,
[1:12:18] this this is not a question and answer
[1:12:20] session. So, you're just going to have
[1:12:21] to sit there and listen. And uh the
[1:12:24] commissioners are making their comments
[1:12:25] and then we're going to adjourn the
[1:12:26] meeting.
[1:12:27] >> I'm done.
[1:12:28] >> Go ahead.
[1:12:29] >> Okay. All right. Commissioner Shin,
[1:12:31] >> I'm going refrain from comment this
[1:12:33] evening, sir.
[1:12:34] >> All right. Vice Chairman Mansfield,
[1:12:36] >> I'll yield my time also.
[1:12:38] >> All right. Commissioner Walder,
[1:12:41] >> good evening. Thank you everybody for
[1:12:43] coming out. Good to meet you, Mr. James
[1:12:45] Jones. you were a great uh
[1:12:48] representative for the Marryman um park.
[1:12:52] Um well done.
[1:12:55] >> We hear you loud and clear and I hope
[1:12:57] that you're able to work with our parks
[1:12:59] and wrecks because I think that's really
[1:13:00] the next step is to work with Miss Tina
[1:13:03] Puroy. Um so and we have uh pages and
[1:13:08] pages to comb over for our parks and Rex
[1:13:10] master plan and you certainly can be a
[1:13:12] part of that for uh for your zone. So,
[1:13:15] thank you and thanks for all your
[1:13:17] enthusiasm.
[1:13:18] Um, Mr. Watson, thank you for have been
[1:13:22] here earlier today. Thank you,
[1:13:25] Superintendent,
[1:13:26] uh, for listening to us. Thank you for
[1:13:28] Croitan for stepping up and being a a
[1:13:31] loud voice with Mr. Watson. Um, I think
[1:13:35] we went a long way in trying to get that
[1:13:37] rectified.
[1:13:38] Um,
[1:13:40] thank you, Brian, for always being here
[1:13:42] and speaking, and I appreciate being
[1:13:46] nominated to the Civilian Military
[1:13:48] Community Council.
[1:13:50] >> Thank you.
[1:13:51] Commissioner Wald,
[1:13:52] Commissioner Quinn.
[1:13:53] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, students
[1:13:56] are back at Carter Community College.
[1:13:58] We're glad to welcome them back on
[1:13:59] campus once again. Over [clears throat]
[1:14:01] 1,700 students registered. So, that's
[1:14:04] outstanding number for us. Uh this is my
[1:14:07] 26th year as an employee of Carter
[1:14:09] Community College. I'm very proud of
[1:14:10] that number and very proud of all the
[1:14:12] achievements that uh the college has
[1:14:14] made during that time period. Things are
[1:14:15] looking great on campus. If you're uh in
[1:14:17] the area, please drop by. Um we have our
[1:14:21] women's soccer team that is going to be
[1:14:23] having their first home match next
[1:14:26] Thursday.
[1:14:26] >> September.
[1:14:28] >> Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:14:28] >> September.
[1:14:29] 2nd. September 2nd. Thank you
[1:14:31] very much. That's going to be at Rotary
[1:14:32] Park. So, please come out and support uh
[1:14:35] the women's soccer team. Uh baseball
[1:14:37] players are already on campus. I got a
[1:14:39] few in my class. Um and uh looking
[1:14:42] forward to that upcoming season.
[1:14:46] Uh the the street name changes. I I just
[1:14:49] want to offer my opinion there because
[1:14:51] we had two street name changes that came
[1:14:53] up and we approved one and we and we did
[1:14:55] not approve the second. And the first
[1:14:58] one is pretty obvious. is for a 911
[1:15:02] emergency services issue. Uh a lot of
[1:15:04] confusion as far as mail delivery,
[1:15:06] package delivery, uh and just confusion
[1:15:09] generally for uh the residents in that
[1:15:11] area. And so it made sense to me to
[1:15:13] approve that particular street name
[1:15:15] change. When it came to the second
[1:15:17] street name change, there's not a a
[1:15:20] pressing issue when it comes to uh any
[1:15:22] kind of 911 emergency services issue.
[1:15:25] This is just a request in order to
[1:15:27] change the name uh from one to another.
[1:15:30] And I'm going to kind of go back to what
[1:15:33] Commissioner Chairman uh the chairman uh
[1:15:34] Chadwick said that changing these names
[1:15:38] from our original family names, street
[1:15:41] names, place names, buildings, towns.
[1:15:45] This is going to erase the heritage of
[1:15:47] Carter County, the history of Carter
[1:15:49] County. We've got to hold on to those
[1:15:52] place names. we've got to hold on to
[1:15:54] those family names that are a big part
[1:15:56] of Carter Countyy's heritage because
[1:15:58] that what makes Carter County such a
[1:16:00] great place to live and a great place to
[1:16:02] visit. And so that's that's the reason I
[1:16:03] just wanted to explain that's why I
[1:16:05] supported one change and and not the
[1:16:07] other. And then finally, uh the tins
[1:16:10] courts, I'm so pleased uh that a
[1:16:13] decision has finally been made to build
[1:16:14] those uh tennis courts. Uh I've been an
[1:16:18] advocate for that since I was sworn in
[1:16:20] almost four years ago. really happy to
[1:16:23] see that that change is finally made.
[1:16:25] Coach Shehan is here uh tonight and he
[1:16:28] and I have had a lot of discussions
[1:16:29] about this and really happy to uh see
[1:16:32] that this is going to be a move forward.
[1:16:34] These are much needed facilities.
[1:16:36] Football, baseball, basketball, they get
[1:16:38] all the attention. They bring in all the
[1:16:40] money. U but there are a lot of other
[1:16:42] sports that are outstanding for a large
[1:16:44] number of student athletes that really
[1:16:45] build character. And I'm going to say
[1:16:46] one thing. I did not know that uh coach
[1:16:49] Sheen and Miss Ellen were going to be
[1:16:51] here tonight, but I would love to see
[1:16:54] those tennis courts out at Croatan High
[1:16:56] School named for Coach Jim Shihan. 47
[1:17:01] years of coaching, building student
[1:17:03] athletes, their uh character, building
[1:17:06] the community. I would love to see that
[1:17:09] he is honored for [clears throat] the
[1:17:11] dedication, for the leadership, and for
[1:17:13] the commitment to developing young
[1:17:14] athletes in our community.
[1:17:16] um this would be a great reflection of everything that he has done uh for
[1:17:20] our community, for our students, for our
[1:17:22] schools, for our county. That's all I
[1:17:24] got to say. Thank you.
[1:17:26] >> Thank you, Commissioner
[1:17:28] Quinn. Uh it escaped me a little while
[1:17:31] ago when we were talking about Morris
[1:17:33] Lane. So, I went back and looked at
[1:17:35] Lor's obituary and guess what his
[1:17:38] favorite meal was? Stewed turtle.
[1:17:41] [laughter]
[1:17:43] >> Oh, no. So that's so that's when Jesus
[1:17:46] said, "Chris, do not let the name of the
[1:17:49] road get changed." So So [laughter]
[1:17:52] that's why Commissioner Quinn speaks a
[1:17:55] lot better than I do. But I'm going
[1:17:57] right to the point. The man worked on
[1:18:00] his car. His family lived there. They
[1:18:02] originally from Atlantic. They moved to
[1:18:03] Harker's Island. But I went back and
[1:18:05] read his obituary and his favorite meal
[1:18:08] was stewed turtle. That was just the sun
[1:18:11] just come over me and it was the right
[1:18:12] thing to do. say that's where I stand on
[1:18:14] that.
[1:18:16] The Marman parks, I'm all in favor of
[1:18:18] the Marman parks. I want y'all to get in
[1:18:20] touch with James Fulture with a Sarah
[1:18:22] James Fulture fishing tournament. They
[1:18:25] just helped out North River and uh
[1:18:28] redoing the playground there. They've
[1:18:29] done one at Cape Carter at Eastern Park
[1:18:31] in Smyrna. I want to put you in touch
[1:18:33] with them. They're always looking for a
[1:18:34] project to playground uh to honor Sarah
[1:18:38] James. She had some disability. she
[1:18:40] passed away and they have that fishing
[1:18:41] tournament at Cedar Island to honor her
[1:18:43] and they build playgrounds that are
[1:18:45] handicap accessible and they do mats uh
[1:18:48] and they have wheelchairs that have big
[1:18:50] tires on them so disabled people can get
[1:18:52] to the water but that's a good spot and
[1:18:54] James would be love he would really jump
[1:18:58] right on that I believe so that I'm all
[1:19:02] behind helping out the Marman community
[1:19:04] there almost didn't uh recognize Mr.
[1:19:06] Collins with his white hair there, but
[1:19:08] mine's turned a little white, too. But,
[1:19:10] uh, he's a he's a good fellow. We did
[1:19:12] business together for many years, and
[1:19:14] first class guy. Uh, school starts soon,
[1:19:17] so I want everybody to be careful about
[1:19:19] the buses early mornings. And, uh, you
[1:19:22] know, everybody's going back to school,
[1:19:23] so I want everybody to be safe. And, uh,
[1:19:25] if there's nothing further to come
[1:19:26] before the board, I'll entertain a
[1:19:28] motion to adjurnn.
[1:19:30] >> Motion by uh, Commissioner Walp,
[1:19:32] seconded by Commissioner Shin. All in
[1:19:34] favor? Thank y'all for coming.