1 00:00:02,770 --> 00:00:32,050 Good started. Thank you for coming tonight. We have two different sessions this evening. The first one we're going to be looking at William McFarlane Park, the concept plans we have for that, and then at 7 o'clock we'll be doing the Arnold Larson Park. Tonight, I'm Lee Ego, I'm the Director of Public Works, Amy Irwin. She's the assistant to the director, James O'Reilly. He's a park superintendent, Matt Shanky. 2 00:00:32,050 --> 00:00:33,110 the administrator. 3 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:39,170 Back in the room, again, our village president, Stephanie Brassantin, 4 00:00:42,110 --> 00:00:47,830 Kathy, and Lowe, and the other trustees here. 5 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:56,390 And tonight, Blake from Park Architecture will be given the presentations on the concept plans. 6 00:00:57,230 --> 00:01:00,070 We're going to hold questions till the end of his presentation, 7 00:01:00,070 --> 00:01:07,910 And then we'll we'll ask questions on individual areas that you have questions on or comments. 8 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:08,850 Not type of thing. 9 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:11,030 So we are recording this tonight. 10 00:01:11,530 --> 00:01:17,550 So we will need you to speak into the microphone so that we get the recording properly. 11 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:21,690 And the people online can also hear the questions and the answers. 12 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:24,210 So Blake, you'll have to talk into the mic also. 13 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:31,190 So without further ado, Blake from Park Architecture is here. 14 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:37,370 Thanks, guys. I'm a bit of a walker, so this is really going to grant my style here tonight, but we'll do my best. 15 00:01:38,790 --> 00:01:43,030 Thank you for being here, so tonight we're going to start off by talking about Wayne McFarlane Park. 16 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:57,250 As some of you are probably aware, we went through a master plan process about five years ago for this site, and that set in motion a series of dominoes that allowed us to 17 00:01:57,250 --> 00:02:01,490 make some moves into the new space on the east side, which is community park. 18 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:07,690 Five years later, those dominoes are all now fully in motion, and we need to circle back 19 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:09,570 and revisit this space. 20 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:16,130 And so what we're going to go through tonight is the evolution of that concept plan from 21 00:02:16,130 --> 00:02:18,850 the version five years ago into what we're now proposing. 22 00:02:19,730 --> 00:02:25,730 This process has been informed by a lot of input from stakeholders who use this space. 23 00:02:25,730 --> 00:02:32,090 So we have engaged discussions with pretty much all of the major players in the park 24 00:02:32,550 --> 00:02:38,450 Curling, ice arena, hockey, bachi, pickleball, baseball, 25 00:02:39,730 --> 00:02:40,690 Well, it's my forgetting 26 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:47,770 If I forgot new in the crowd I apologize, but there's been a lot of discussion over the last few months 27 00:02:47,770 --> 00:02:54,370 I'm trying to make sure that we're not leaving anyone out of the process and the next chapter fully in my silent park 28 00:02:54,370 --> 00:03:02,710 So obviously there are a few large foot prints here that jump off the page, obviously that 29 00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:03,730 occupy some of the space. 30 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:10,270 Most of you are used to seeing this park occupied by soccer fields, which of course will 31 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:12,310 be moving out to community park. 32 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:21,410 So the largest foot prints that you're seeing here are those diamonds and when we had our 33 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:27,910 discussions with baseball, it became clear that we needed more and larger diamonds to accommodate 34 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:34,130 the community's needs. And we looked at all of the other parts within the community and 35 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:40,550 really this was the best home for a baseball oriented facility. So what you're seeing for 36 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:47,590 some of the oriented here, the north is plan right, so that way. So just rotate your internal 37 00:03:47,590 --> 00:03:55,770 if you will for me. Baseball Diamonds have a preferred solar orientation so they want to face 38 00:03:56,930 --> 00:04:05,030 sour north east. All right, so again north is that way so this diamond would be the preferred 39 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:11,950 the optimal orientation followed second by a southeast orientation and that gives us the the best 40 00:04:11,950 --> 00:04:16,990 benefit for all of our players not staring into the sun when you're either pitching or 41 00:04:20,170 --> 00:04:28,930 So the three diamonds that you see here are all 290 foot from home plate to center field outfield, 42 00:04:29,230 --> 00:04:31,630 which is a very flexible size. 43 00:04:31,790 --> 00:04:34,890 It allows us to have a wide age range of use. 44 00:04:35,410 --> 00:04:39,290 We've also set up the infields for multiple length base paths, 45 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:43,930 which again gives us flexibility to have a huge age range in use. 46 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:52,250 It also allows for with the two 90 outfields a lot of flexible open space in those outfields. 47 00:04:52,270 --> 00:04:59,310 If we decided we wanted to have other functions in that space, the gates can be opened up and we have lots of green space. 48 00:05:00,330 --> 00:05:09,490 So currently these fields are shown with artificial turf in field, which again gives us that flexibility to change our base path, base path links. 49 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:17,850 We did explore the option for movable outfield fencing on these diamonds and if anyone 50 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:24,770 has played the deforest complex they have that scenario where the outfield fence is movable 51 00:05:24,770 --> 00:05:30,230 and ultimately we are not recommending that as the path to move forward. They while they 52 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:38,590 seem great in theory they're actually hard to maneuver to store and it's not a great 53 00:05:38,590 --> 00:05:44,210 back. So we are proposing fixed out field fencing if you needed to shrink your fields for temporary 54 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:50,570 tournaments you can do so with no fencing or other temp fence. The two south diamonds are anchored 55 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:56,390 by a central pathway getting you from the parking back to a gathering plaza with a small 56 00:05:56,390 --> 00:06:06,050 shelter, some seating and dugouts and spectator benches. We're also showing batting cages for each diamond 57 00:06:06,890 --> 00:06:17,070 Along the west side there, the dashed dark line that runs around the entire perimeter of the park would be a new walking path. 58 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:23,110 Part of the term community park is providing amenities for everyone in the community. 59 00:06:23,910 --> 00:06:30,490 We know that a lot of people are looking for a safe place to do laps for their circeting and their fitness loops. 60 00:06:30,490 --> 00:06:39,490 And this provides a really great opportunity to leverage some of the existing infrastructure in the park and connect all of our new proposed uses while providing that additional amenity. 61 00:06:41,590 --> 00:06:43,550 I'll talk about the North Diamond here for a second. 62 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:48,550 The current location or current orientation is facing Southwest, which is not ideal. 63 00:06:48,730 --> 00:06:52,690 I remember I've told you North East is ideal, so that's actually opposite of what we want. 64 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:58,270 So long term, I would like to see that third diamond actually rotate 180 degrees. 65 00:06:59,090 --> 00:07:05,210 Now, that said, if we looked at a phasing plan, that would probably be the last piece of the 66 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:08,790 puzzle in this park because it could function the way it is. 67 00:07:09,190 --> 00:07:16,710 It could also be replaced if we determined that the two south diamonds are sufficient for 68 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:18,130 what the community needs. 69 00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:21,710 We may re-invision that north, west corner, the park for something else. 70 00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:26,430 So, I'm going to look for some feedback from these guys over here tonight and the rest 71 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,550 you on what that corner might want to be. 72 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:49,360 Two other baseball related facilities you see here, we've shown two T-ball-sized fields, which would really be a small backstop and nothing else, to allow those spaces to function as open flexible green space, but give our T-ballers a home that they don't really have right now. 73 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,800 I mentioned all the existing infrastructure within the park that we've been building out over the years, right? 74 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:06,840 The pickleball courts got done, the skate park got done, we want to make sure that we're giving all those facilities breathing room in the access that they need while looking at our new facilities. 75 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:12,760 So we've maintained access and actually tried to improve circulation around those facilities. 76 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:19,660 You'll see on the west side of the courts I'm showing a new day-use area which has a playground. 77 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,360 The baseball-shaped space to the north of the playground is a potential splash pad. 78 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:30,480 There's been a lot of dialogue in the community for many years about an aquatic facility. 79 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:38,240 While the master plan five years ago showed that northwest corner as the potential home for a large scale, 80 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:44,580 or larger scale, I should say, pool or other aquatic facility, that still could happen. Again, 81 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:50,020 if that time doesn't work, but right now we are showing a smaller aquatic element in the form 82 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:56,560 of a splash pad, which we often will group with a traditional playground. So that's activated 83 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:05,080 that space which has been or will be vacated by soccer. Still allows a fairly good size open space 84 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,680 just to the west of that, as a buffer over to the west trail. 85 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,600 Some of the other pieces that we know are in play, obviously the isorina has just recently 86 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,420 expanded to the east out towards the marsh road, so that is reflected here with their 87 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:24,380 new parking and their new building expansion. 88 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:29,460 We don't anticipate any further expansion plans from them in the near term. 89 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:38,480 Bachi has expressed interest in developing two potentially three more pitches, so that is 90 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:46,060 shown in that yellow square that would represent two. We did explore a potential expansion 91 00:09:46,060 --> 00:09:50,160 to the west to give them one more pitch on the west but it is pretty tight once you get 92 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,480 up against the skatepark and again we're trying to leave some buffer space in between some 93 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:01,960 of these designated uses. In discussions with curling initially five years ago there was 94 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,800 some desire to potentially explore expanding to the west. I think that desire has cooled 95 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:16,200 a bit, and so we are not showing that expansion as an imminent opportunity, however, by keeping 96 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,340 that that table space as flexible green space that could certainly happen in the future if 97 00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:23,360 that came to fruition. 98 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,280 Again, just to stress, we are looking at a pathway to stretch all the way 99 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,900 around the perimeter, and then some bisecting paths to get you to your desired locations within 100 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:37,760 in the park from the parking spaces. 101 00:10:40,660 --> 00:10:44,200 Guys, it's table done in Miss any major elements here. 102 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,360 You're ready to go. 103 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:48,380 Okay. 104 00:10:51,540 --> 00:10:56,140 Any general questions on the concept that we're showing tonight? 105 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,800 The cost is still working through that. 106 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,460 I think that's going to be tied in with whatever we look at for phasing. 107 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,680 We want to make sure that whatever the proposal is, 108 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:11,520 doesn't exceed what the village has for their annual CIP 109 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:12,580 in the parks program. 110 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,060 So that'll be something we sort of go through 111 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:16,240 we iteratively, 112 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:20,230 to the mind, oh yeah, I'm sorry. 113 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:21,610 I forgot to remind you. 114 00:11:21,610 --> 00:11:21,750 Thank you. 115 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:22,270 And I'm microphone. 116 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:29,660 You mentioned something about swimming pool that 117 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:32,520 it's been the thought for a number of years. 118 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:38,160 It sounds like, why not, how much more would that be? 119 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,660 How much more is it? 120 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:41,900 Yeah, how much does it cost to put in a swimming pool? 121 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:44,700 Well, there's a huge range depending on what you want. 122 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,000 Right. 123 00:11:45,000 --> 00:12:02,200 I think at a minimum, you're looking at 7 to 8 million on the low end, you know, we have a lot of experience with other pools and communities to fulfill the needs of what we're hearing for people who are interested in Aquatics, you're probably somewhere in that price range. 124 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,180 You could certainly do something a lot smaller, but you know, we're hearing a request if we're going to do it. 125 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:13,420 we want, enough lap lanes that have swim meets and swim team and all that, so that starts 126 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:15,140 to push you into it. 127 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:20,300 Well, what if it's just recreational instead of swim teams doing laps? I mean, you 128 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:26,860 look at Manona pool and that's been around forever. Something like that where kids can 129 00:12:26,860 --> 00:12:33,560 just enjoy the pool instead of worrying about laps swimming or team racing and that type 130 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:34,080 of thing. 131 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:37,260 Yeah, it's a build manona right now would be about 7 million. 132 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Wow. 133 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,900 Okay, how much is this splash pad, 134 00:12:44,390 --> 00:12:45,470 splash pad, 135 00:12:46,490 --> 00:12:47,190 splash pad is, 136 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,560 yeah, I mean if you look at Blue Mountain State Park, for example, 137 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,400 that's a great project that had a very small pool and a splash pad tied in. 138 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:32,600 Now there's no lap lanes, it's just a shape, but yeah, that could be an option. 139 00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:37,800 Okay, does there pool, do they have lifeguards there or everything they do? 140 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:39,860 So that would be paid by the village. 141 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:40,380 Correct. 142 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:45,640 Okay. And along with, I should say along with just the pool of vessel comes all the support 143 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,320 infrastructure. So you'd have a building with showers, lots of toilets. The Wisconsin 144 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,740 pool code is quite robust and is a mathematical conundrum when you try to figure out how 145 00:13:56,740 --> 00:14:00,360 many toilets and showers need to go with every square foot of pool water. 146 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:06,270 Is there any lighting 147 00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:13,150 proposed for these diamond areas? Any lighting? Yeah. Currently, no, but I suppose if there 148 00:14:13,150 --> 00:14:19,110 was desired to do that. I could be done. I think what we're showing with the number of fields 149 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:25,370 will hopefully accommodate the amount of play that's desired right now. Now someone else could 150 00:14:25,370 --> 00:14:29,770 tell me I'm wrong, but I think that's where we're projecting it. Good question. 151 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,400 Hi, we were recently 152 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:39,300 at Blue Bounds and there were no light cards. The state may have changed their stance on that 153 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:43,340 when we built it in 2010, they definitely have worked. 154 00:14:44,020 --> 00:14:48,060 Yeah, that we were our own, but it's still quite busy there. 155 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:55,820 The other question I had, how many baseball diamonds are in the village right now? 156 00:14:59,190 --> 00:14:59,450 Two. 157 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:14,400 3, 3, the two at Brandt, which is baseball softball. And then the one at Volley McFarland, then the school district has, I don't know the exact number in there. 158 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:24,980 Who's part two? Who's part two? Who's part two? Who's part two? Who's part two? And then there's, it softball at Wabi Saur, what are those diamonds softball only? 159 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:30,820 Those are district on though. I don't know that you guys have any control over what happens on those fields don't 160 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Okay, all right. Thank you, but they are dedicated to software. Yeah 161 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:38,100 Good questions 162 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,780 What else do you have? 163 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,100 What is the walking path going to is it going to be paved or gravel? 164 00:15:55,340 --> 00:16:00,620 Good question. Yeah, I would see that as a paved pathway around the perimeter. We want to make sure that 165 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:05,540 anything we do years fully, Haiti accessible, easy to maintain, and I think the paved surface 166 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:08,200 would be the best option for both of those. 167 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:15,800 And one more question on the, so there's looks to be like a line of trees on the south side. 168 00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:24,070 Do you have any plan on all the water runoff that comes down, that now makes that just like 169 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:29,130 a muddy, like how are you going to grow trees down there? 170 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:30,470 Yeah, good question. 171 00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:35,030 So, as part of this project, we would try and fix some of those drainage issues along that 172 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:35,530 South line. 173 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:38,490 We know it's been a problem, especially in that Southwest corner for soccer. 174 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:40,270 It's plagued them for a long time. 175 00:16:40,570 --> 00:16:44,950 So as part of this, we would look at under-drained systems, you know, maybe a small base 176 00:16:44,950 --> 00:16:46,510 into a collect and treat it. 177 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:52,190 We are not showing other than the pathways, a lot of new impervious, so we wouldn't be generating 178 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:54,230 a lot of new stormwater, which is good. 179 00:16:54,230 --> 00:17:00,550 But I think with these improvements we would definitely try and fix some of those muddy issues. 180 00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:02,230 Are you a neighbor right there? 181 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:05,010 Yeah, I wondered based on your questions. 182 00:17:06,830 --> 00:17:07,670 Do you want the lights? 183 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:08,590 No lights. 184 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:22,620 So the one on the far north you currently have, but you're switching it. 185 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,740 So it's the way the baseball. 186 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:34,520 And then you add the two new ones, you also have one at a brand, and I'll get the other ones are at the high schools. 187 00:17:35,420 --> 00:17:37,360 How many teams do you have for baseball? 188 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,740 I may defer that question to one of our friends in the audience here. 189 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:54,990 So yeah, we riff my file on youth baseball we had 165 players this year. 190 00:17:55,910 --> 00:18:03,530 We had teams, see, I think we had 14 teams for like our lead play. 191 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:08,630 We have tournament teams starting this year and now we'll go from second grade through high school. 192 00:18:13,410 --> 00:18:15,530 Yeah, and then we do fall ball as well. 193 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:18,330 Again, that's fifth grade through high school. 194 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:30,090 So yeah, we've been growing, right now we've played against from, let's see, third grade 195 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:31,570 through sixth grade development at Brant. 196 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:37,570 And then we've shared the high school fields for seventh grade twice. 197 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:06,020 I know that just to expand on there is 198 00:19:38,660 --> 00:19:41,840 about the geometry, do you see a need, 199 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:10,270 give you better 200 00:20:10,270 --> 00:20:11,310 answer to that point? 201 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:13,050 But yeah, I mean, I'm certainly not going to, 202 00:20:13,670 --> 00:20:33,970 we find use for it is a very politician answer if you think that would I expect it so yeah I think again that would be if we're looking at a phasing plan that would probably be the last thing we touch let's grow into the space on the south end and see if we really need it and then you know reimagined. 203 00:20:36,780 --> 00:20:39,680 Since I have them, I might call Pepper you back a little bit. 204 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,680 Just as far as lights go, would there be a plan, 205 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,740 even if they're not installed right away, 206 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,900 where they could be wired for lack of a better term, 207 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,100 if they eventually, something that would be added? 208 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,220 So I think the way this layout is set up, 209 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,180 there's the flexibility to do that in the future, 210 00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:00,680 if you wanted. 211 00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:03,120 The power would have to come out of the existing building, 212 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,040 which is right in the middle of the park, 213 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:12,060 that space would could be accessible. So again, you know, thinking about how to grow into this 214 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:18,640 space, I would suggest we make this move and see how it goes and see if it accommodates your 215 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,980 need for play. 216 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:27,360 I would imagine this room might be more full if we put lights in right away. 217 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:43,460 I was just asking him, what piece, I know my granddaughter played T-ball there, it just 218 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:49,760 said, you know, grassy field and what would be wrong with continuing to do that, rather 219 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,240 than building a separate area for T-ball. 220 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:57,020 I mean, you're talking about kids that are four or five, six years old. 221 00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:58,260 Yeah, really good question. 222 00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:03,160 So when I say building something for T-ball, really, it's just a single panel, yep, of 223 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:03,620 the back side. 224 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:11,520 So, it would just look as open grass, yeah. Good question. How much does each of those ball diamonds cost? 225 00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:14,660 Really good. What year are all focused on money? I am. 226 00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:21,800 So it really depends on what we end up doing. Right now we're showing those in fields as artificial turf 227 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,760 with natural turf outfield. The good news is those fields are already growing grass. 228 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,960 We may have to do some slight grading to make the drainage systems. 229 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:39,180 It's improved, but right now each field is if we did it in turf a new channelling fencing, you're probably looking 230 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:45,620 at 250 or so per field. 250,000, 250,000. Rough estimate? 231 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:50,660 Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess I'm concerned because those were hockey, or an ad hockey soccer 232 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:56,180 fields, they're all these kids played on and then they're building new soccer fields. I mean, 233 00:22:56,180 --> 00:23:00,760 I'm talking about more money going into all of this. 234 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,400 I don't even know how much soccer feels out of A.B. 235 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,900 or it's costing, but just keep thinking more money. 236 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:15,040 Well, there's always a demand for more recreation facility. 237 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,160 So we have to balance with the dollar spent, yep. 238 00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:20,560 Okay. 239 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,220 I have some questions from Zac Online, Zac. 240 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:26,880 like to unmute yourself, you can go ahead and ask your questions. 241 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,700 All right, can you hear me? 242 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,360 Yep. 243 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:37,140 I guess I'm just curious that this seems to be pretty far along in the planning process as far as the baseball is concerned. 244 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:45,380 It also seems like there's a pretty small amount of people with a highly vested interest in this being a baseball dominated park. 245 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:50,660 But I also believe that there's a huge appetite in this community or a swimming pool. 246 00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:54,920 not a laugh swimming pool, not a splash band, just her recreational swimming pool. What you mentioned about 247 00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:02,440 blue mountains is exactly right. That would be perfect. That would be enough. I just don't know how we've 248 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,740 gotten to this point without that discussion being had. Was there a point where that discussion was had and 249 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:13,860 and cool good and taken away or is this decision that made or where we go from here? 250 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:18,080 Great question. I'm going to defer this one to Matt. 251 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,480 Yeah, thank you, Zach. 252 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,580 So the Aquatics have been studied in this village in a number of different ways. 253 00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:30,920 About eight or so years ago, we did a feasibility study that looked at multiple different 254 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,200 opportunities for all things Aquatics, big facility, small facilities, splash pads. 255 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:38,020 Looked at a number of different locations. 256 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:45,480 And then that plan was followed up with the master plan update or the master plan that 257 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:52,200 created from the site which originally when the community park site was purchased had an idea 258 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:58,280 to be an outlet for other uses and so we could create space like for Aquatics and Aquatics 259 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:06,260 was kind of had a home here in McFarlane Park and that we have data on the cost for that. 260 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:11,820 We have information on what it would take to run that facility. That's the other part that's 261 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:20,580 complicated with the QuadEx. The presence here is not necessarily changed. The previous plan 262 00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:26,600 showed a pool or a splash pad, but there is green space that's left there. There's a future 263 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:34,740 park, sorry, a ball field to the north, that could be a variable in this conversation. That's 264 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:40,840 the location where it's always been planned. If we want to continue to have a presence here, 265 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,460 certainly the final plan recommendation can show that because a lot of that's not set and 266 00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:52,800 stomp. But the cost is significant and that's even with a even with a smaller pool we're 267 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,900 still talking millions of dollars and a pool on the operating side is only paying for about 268 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:09,440 two thirds of its cost through fees that might be a little generous and the tax of these got to 269 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,600 to figure out how to introduce an element like that 270 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,800 with some of the obstacles. 271 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:17,160 But is it possible here? 272 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:17,920 It is. 273 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,060 And it can stay in the plant. 274 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:21,160 And we can keep working on it. 275 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:26,160 But ultimately, trying to fit a lot of these things 276 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,140 and maybe three fields is too much. 277 00:26:28,660 --> 00:26:30,880 And getting two fields off the ground 278 00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:33,240 and seeing what our experience is. 279 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,540 And maybe by then, there's more progress in Aquatics. 280 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:40,500 We can make that, we can make that turn up page. 281 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:44,400 Yeah, Zack, just to build on that, the footprint that you see for that north diamond 282 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,100 is roughly equivalent to what we would need for a pool vessel, the surrounding deck, 283 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,540 the mechanical building with all the support showers, toilets, et cetera, 284 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:56,340 and some parking addition. 285 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,400 So to me, that footprint is very interchangeable. 286 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,080 Should the desire come back, that really wants to be a quarter. 287 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:07,590 Does that help answer your question? 288 00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:14,610 Yeah, thank you. I guess I'm just curious how do you get the desire back. What is that process look like? 289 00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:21,310 The friends of McFarlane Park is a group that has been working on this more recently. 290 00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:25,330 They're a collection of residents trying to build some fundraising capacity. 291 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:29,250 Kind of figure out how to get something like that off the ground. 292 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:34,970 The village board has discussed this and is keeping that in its goals for the next year. 293 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:40,430 to answer that question as well. If we're going to do this, what does this actually look like? 294 00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:46,890 Because we don't want to pay more taxes, which is where borrowing comes from impact fees help, 295 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:52,130 but not to the fullest extent. So there's a lot of questions that would have to be 296 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:56,190 washed out, but those are a couple areas where there's definitely some interest. 297 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:58,250 I appreciate it. Thank you. 298 00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:58,590 Well, 299 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:30,580 I represent the four Lake Spatio Association, and I just wanted to speak in support of the concept of expanding the the Baji courts, in particular, we're in favor of adding two courts, I wanted to clarify, however, in the previous master plan, I believe it also called for the lighting of the four existing courts and at the time of construction of the two new ones lighting those also, 300 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:37,340 which would essentially double the capacity of the of the courts because we'd be able to play two games 301 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:42,500 in the evening instead of the one that we're limited to by daylight. 302 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:54,360 I'd also like to in your phasing plan advocate for the early construction of those courts in 2027 if at all possible. 303 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,100 And I say that for a couple of reasons, 304 00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:03,800 the other large bachi facility in the Madison area, 305 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:10,900 and this is, he's bachi courts are very much a regional draw, because they're the only 306 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:17,480 regulation-sized bachi courts with a complex of four that exist in the state outside of 307 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:24,700 Milwaukee area are leagues of which we have seven draw players literally from all over the 308 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:31,000 Madison area and we're just commencing a partnership with the Italian working men's club 309 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,880 to hold more tournaments which will also bring more people into the into the McFarlane community. 310 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:47,840 So, on a smaller scale, I see this as having similarities to the curling facility in the 311 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,600 isorina, which are regional draws in themselves. 312 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,480 But the concern about the East Side businessmen's club, which is the other Batchi, 313 00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:59,960 That's... 314 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Center is that that site has been sold and is anticipated to be redeveloped. It's a beautiful site on the shores of Lake 315 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:22,680 Manona and so we anticipate that those leagues will be displaced and there will be a considerable increase in demand on our courts. 316 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:39,080 The other thing that could mitigate in favor of an earlier construction is that this is a type of project that the Bachi Association can assist with in the construction. 317 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,060 In fact, we spearheaded the construction of the existing courts. 318 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:47,320 And we do the majority of maintenance on the existing courts. 319 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,740 We have partnered financially with the village in the past for different types of improvements 320 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:55,700 to the courts. 321 00:30:56,220 --> 00:31:02,200 And we would be willing to make a sizable financial commitment toward the construction 322 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,420 of these two new courts also. 323 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:14,820 So we just hope that it might be possible to schedule the time table for those projects as early as possible. 324 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:25,120 I'd also like to speak on a couple of other things, including the idea of an outdoor swimming pool. 325 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,780 I've worked in municipal administration in two other communities, besides 326 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:36,940 McCarland, that had outdoors swimming pools, and the best way that I can describe them 327 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:44,140 is that they're a money pit in this climate where they operate for at most three months out 328 00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:45,340 the year, 329 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:55,460 to my mind, they just don't make sense, and I think that the construction 330 00:31:55,460 --> 00:32:02,600 costs is considerable as they are, are oftentimes dwarfed by the maintenance headaches and 331 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,660 the maintenance costs for an outdoor pool in this climate. 332 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:14,400 And, you know, I think Matt used the term generously for his estimate, my experience has 333 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:21,160 been that operating revenues cover less than 50% of operating costs on a pool. 334 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,940 And as they age, that only gets worse. 335 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,840 The other general comment I'd like to make, and you know, sometimes we're so close to 336 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:39,640 that we lose a side of it, but I just want to point out how unique in many ways, willing 337 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:48,420 with Farland Park, is, in that it has a really ideal balance between warm weather and cold 338 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:53,340 weather that uses, which oftentimes you don't find in a municipal park. 339 00:32:53,340 --> 00:33:02,320 And the fact that those uses the iserina and curling are off season from in the past. 340 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:03,280 It's been soccer. 341 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,800 Now it'll be primarily baseball along with Thucobal and skateboard. 342 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:16,020 It allows the sizable parking areas to be used because the usage doesn't overlap by season. 343 00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:24,200 And so I'm very supportive in general of the plan, and I think we should kind of ourselves 344 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:31,960 fortunate as a community to have this kind of recreational facility and the variety available 345 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,500 to us. 346 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Thank you for this comments. 347 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,900 I want to address a couple of them and probably reverse order. 348 00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:44,080 First of all, your comment about partnering with the village to get expedited construction. 349 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,820 I think is a great offer. I would suggest your first step would be to talk with Lee or Matt to see how that mechanic might work. 350 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:55,760 I don't know where you guys are at in the budget approval process for 27. 351 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,300 I know it's probably right around the corner here. 352 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,400 But that would be a conversation you should probably have sooner rather than later. 353 00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:06,980 Second point about this being a very unique park. 354 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:08,600 It's extremely unique. 355 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:27,140 I cannot think of another space that I've engaged with that has had so many private and specialized uses in one container and to find the balance of how you mix the public use and the private use is really been interesting over the last few years we've worked on it. 356 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:34,200 I think that the term community part to me means a space that everyone in the community can use. 357 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,000 And usually that is a lot of flexible space. 358 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,180 This is very different. 359 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,340 These are all very specialized uses. 360 00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:46,140 Yet it touches on so many sectors of community use. 361 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,240 And so I can still support that term of community park instead of 362 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,480 special use park for lots of different uses. 363 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,660 But I think you're right. 364 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,640 The seasonality is also a very unique piece here where we do have 365 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000 a lot of opportunity for shared use of park. 366 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,940 So, you have great comments. 367 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:05,130 Anybody else? 368 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:11,350 I have a question online. Where is the current T-ball diamond and why is it going away? 369 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:19,120 Well, I believe Wabisa uses some of the spaces we alluded to here tonight. 370 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,340 There's also a very small space to the primary school, 371 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:28,620 and that is going to be replaced with other recreation uses by the district. 372 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:34,400 Usually the way T-ball operates is they need two fields or two areas to function to 373 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,620 team split up and that's what we were trying to do. 374 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,740 We'll still work on that because there are no ups and downs of the ups and downs of the 375 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:42,880 park. 376 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:48,820 But the idea was trying to create some identity there and for T-ball. 377 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,540 So it kind of had a home. 378 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:55,940 Because yes, it's split time between the primary school and with. 379 00:35:55,940 --> 00:36:01,000 and that's just grass. There's not, there's nothing set up there except at the primary school's 380 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,520 couple of fences. Yeah, I mean one of their opportunity might be this other in green space, 381 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:10,560 while it's not currently owned by the village, that would be or could be a great home for the 382 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,600 tea ball program to get two fields close together if we can't find any other reasonable solutions. 383 00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:25,410 Any other questions or comments? 384 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:37,080 If not, I can be floating around back here by the boards in the 385 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,400 the back left corner. It would be the southeast corner of the room, I believe. Since we're 386 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,520 talking about orientation. And yeah, happy to have any dialogue with you that you would 387 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:52,480 like. We will continue to post information, and we spend a great job getting out as the 388 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,360 plans evolve here. So we'll continue to keep you informed, but I appreciate you guys being here 389 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,080 tonight. For those of you who want to stay in about 20 minutes, we'll do this again for 390 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:12,640 some part, a little different theme but anyway yeah thank you guys please if you did 391 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,760 not sign in please sign in over here on the table. 392 00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:40,960 Thank you for all of you coming. This is the second PIM of the evening for Arnold Larson Park. 393 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,720 Tonight, Blake will be presenting once again, and we'll do the questions afterwards. 394 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:54,180 For those of you who were not here earlier, I'll go ahead and introduce some of us. 395 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:56,400 I am Liagled, the Director of Public Works. 396 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,020 Next to me is Amy Irwin, Assistant to the Director of Public Works. 397 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,820 Sheamus O'Reilly, Park's Superintendent, Matt Shanky, Village Administrator. 398 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:15,060 Let's see, Lowell Pro is her trustee in Kathy Annand, trustee also. 399 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:17,800 She's online. 400 00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:18,520 Oh, she should be. 401 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:18,820 Oh, she should be. 402 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:18,880 Oh, she should be. 403 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:18,960 Oh, she should be. 404 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,340 Oh, she should be. 405 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,860 Oh, she should be. 406 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:28,160 talking to us through the concept plan for Arnold Larson Park, after he's done with his presentation, 407 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:32,840 we will go through questions and comments and hear what you have to say. 408 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:34,700 So thank you Blake. 409 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:37,100 Thanks, Lee. 410 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,800 Thanks for staying, guys. 411 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,000 So we'll talk about Arnold Larson Park here and very different topic in content than our last session, 412 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:49,740 but equally as important. 413 00:39:49,740 --> 00:40:00,020 So, the proposed uses at Larson really are building on the successes of what we have working 414 00:40:00,020 --> 00:40:01,320 well in the park now. 415 00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:05,880 If most of you have poked around here on the boards in the back of the room and seen some 416 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,260 of the content, but I'll go through some of these highlights here. 417 00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:12,940 I'm actually going to start on the far right of the page. 418 00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:18,360 If anyone has been out to the park lately, you've probably seen what we in the industry 419 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:24,760 call it cow path and that's the the desire line where everyone walks where there isn't a path 420 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:32,060 of of improved surface and so we are going to attempt to fix that so what you see there is 421 00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:38,680 a new asphalt pathway pretty much mimicking our cow path that we have in the park now we know 422 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:45,160 it's an issue so let's go ahead and solve it so that doesn't change the alignment or the flow of any 423 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:51,080 other pathways in the park, but it just gives the people what they want, which is always a good thing. 424 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:59,380 As we move to the west, we'll go to the arc, your south of the gazebo right along far 425 00:40:59,380 --> 00:41:05,100 well. You start to see some shapes showing up in there, and that is a new signage program 426 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:08,700 that is underway. I don't know if you guys want to elaborate on that matter, leave your 427 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:16,860 Other historical markers, giving information about the village, we'll be putting those up 428 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:25,520 probably within the next month or so. The historical society has determined what was 429 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,540 going to be put on them. I have not seen them yet, so I don't have much more information. 430 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,580 Lane March's Commission. 431 00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:31,940 Yeah, 432 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,080 so those, those shapes are now shown in the approximate locations that they'll go. 433 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,200 So that's going to activate that, that walkway even further than it is. 434 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,260 I should have also mentioned in the lower right-hand corner, you see the, I think that's a number one. 435 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,900 Yes, number one. 436 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:56,120 That is a new park sign and potential LED reader to announce events in the community. 437 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:58,340 And we're also doing one here. 438 00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,620 What? 439 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,140 Number seven. 440 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:01,880 Thank you. 441 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,740 My glasses are up here and none of my eyes. 442 00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:13,440 So number seven would be a new park sign with a leader to announce activities happening in the community and further engage our residents. 443 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,100 So before I get into the pretty green stuff on the left, I want to talk about the gazebo a little bit. 444 00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:28,620 Through the analysis of the park, we've noticed that some of the structure of the old gazebo is showing its age, showing some rot. 445 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:34,540 We think that it has an important piece and place in the park and so you'll see we have some 446 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:39,520 rendering of a replacement structure very much in keeping with the style and architecture of that 447 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,920 existing structure but bringing up to current standards and we might look at a metal structure 448 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,360 instead of wood structure but then have wood tongue and groove ceiling, railings and all that nice 449 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:58,600 softer aesthetic that I think we all appreciate about the structure. So I have some drawings in the 450 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,310 a wholesale change, just an upgrade in materials and longevity. Does that all make sense? 451 00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:09,440 Okay, let's go to the bike path here and as we move to the northwest, 452 00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:16,600 what you start to see is a little bit different alignment. The current alignment kind of takes a 453 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,340 crescent moon, a lear, you drive it. Yeah, there you go. So right underneath what I'm showing 454 00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:28,080 as a new restroom structure is how the bike path works now. We're proposing to realign that to give 455 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,280 the opportunity to add a restroom structure in the park. 456 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:35,360 We know what the special use is in the other engagements that happen in the park. 457 00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,980 That's a very welcome amenity. 458 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:45,000 I'm sure most people don't love the Port of Patti vibe in the park, so we wanted to give 459 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,760 this a little bit more permanence and pleasing aesthetic and function in this space. 460 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,600 So the existing storage shed that's out there in the fence theory would be removed and 461 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,280 new path line and essentially goes right through where the old shed is. So next time you go out there, 462 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:06,940 you can stand there and imagine that new path going right through the Christmas light storage shed. 463 00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:13,520 That then aligns with the drive apron that's out there. So if anyone needs to get access or a 464 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:21,900 delivery to the gazebo, we've improved that flow and access as well. One of the other things that we are 465 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:28,440 suggesting to improve accessibility would be the addition of a dedicated ADA parking stall 466 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,760 just the north of that dry bio and that would then tie directly into the existing pathway 467 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,620 and get you into the park. That doesn't currently exist so that's an important piece to add. 468 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:46,790 Let's continue south down Taylor Road and we'll talk a little bit about those funny purple and gold 469 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:51,090 colored vehicles, they are not Minnesota Vikings vans. 470 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:55,670 They are representing potential food trucks in the space 471 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:59,650 or other special event programming vehicles. 472 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:08,180 We've been able to carve out sufficient space for three full-size food trucks or truck and trailers, if depending on the opportunity. 473 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,000 We think that's a great improvement over the gravel shoulder that's there now. 474 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:20,560 And that would then flush up against that pathway. So again, we'd have ADA friendly access to potential food vendors. 475 00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:23,680 Let's go back up to the restroom here for a second. 476 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:30,580 And what we are showing is a two-stall structure, so it would be two family-style or 477 00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:37,020 unisex restrooms, one on either end, and then that center space in the building would be 478 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:44,560 storage to help carry any park amenities that might need to be inside. 479 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:47,380 And then we have a concrete walkway around. 480 00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:52,920 We would also look to do ADA accessible drinking fountain on the exterior of that building, 481 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,860 which is again right along the pathway. 482 00:45:56,300 --> 00:46:00,000 We'd probably also look to do some bicycle parking along the path by the building 483 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,700 just to again solidify an anchor that corner of the park. 484 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,740 So the other corner of the park we should talk about. 485 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,680 You start to see that gray circle that is envisioned to be a concrete flat concrete pad 486 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,100 and then the west side with those dashed lines would be an elevated berm 487 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,280 with some landscaping to create a backdrop. 488 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:29,320 What we're trying to do is find a way to build in a performance space. 489 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,740 So if you have a small group who wants to perform in the park, we know that that is a very active space. 490 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:40,220 We've given them a home with some power, some dedicated power outlets built into that berm in the landscape. 491 00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:46,120 And that also, with that berm, gives a little bit of buffering from the intersection into the park, 492 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,720 for some noise attenuation and help focus your attention on the performance space. 493 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,980 The other thing that that space will double is a home for the winter-fast fire pit. 494 00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:05,180 Right now it's just kind of a burn as we go every year and restore the grass. 495 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,700 We'd like to try and clean that up a little bit and we're not going to have an exposed pit 496 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:14,780 over the year that would be a covered space so it is a flat functional space throughout the rest of the year. 497 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,200 All the existing open green space we are going to maintain. 498 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,620 We're going to try and save all those trees and the activities planned underneath those existing 499 00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:24,200 mature trees. 500 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,640 We know that's a huge asset for the park that we want to preserve. 501 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,240 What else? 502 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,940 Shame is, excuse me, the approval thumb, okay. 503 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,940 Any questions on any of that content or why we're doing what we're doing? 504 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,900 And reminder, we have a microphone for you. 505 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:54,500 Is the berm, like, if that could have been built for seating, is that what you mean by that, or the berm? 506 00:47:54,940 --> 00:48:01,000 Behind there? Yeah, how about that? It's certainly could be, depending on which way the space is being programmed. 507 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:09,440 I think I have it drawn at a four foot top right now, so it would be a gradual slope up to about four feet, but that's a pretty good rise. 508 00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:13,200 You could certainly sit on that if there was an activity in the central green space. 509 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:23,600 But it also gives a nice buffer. If I'm performing on that concrete pad, you know, the headlights and other cars are not streaming at me. 510 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,300 So, good question. 511 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:31,870 You need to get them and then the microphone, please. 512 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:42,790 The train is up, you can see the tracks up there. So, unfortunately, I don't have the power to alter the train track alignment. 513 00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:46,630 They always win every battle, but yeah, the train tracks will stay. 514 00:48:52,810 --> 00:49:00,450 It's the same. So the only thing that we're changing is the path alignment and it wouldn't be any closer to the tracks and the rest of the path. 515 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:04,150 In fact, it's probably further away than done the other pieces. 516 00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:09,230 Yeah. Yeah, the railroad always wins. So I don't even try. 517 00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:16,610 question, where you're putting in the new fire pit, performing area, you said it'd be like 518 00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:23,010 four feet high? That's not going to, anybody on Taylor Road trying to take a left is not going 519 00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:27,210 to have an issue that it's too high, right? No, so you can add into consideration. 520 00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:31,150 You really get a question? Yep, so there's in the design world, there's a thing called a vision 521 00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:35,810 triangle. And so we run the geometry in every intersection to see where those sight lines are, 522 00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:38,010 when you're cueing behind a stop sign, 523 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:40,650 and that is outside of that vision triangle. 524 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:42,210 Good, really good technical question. 525 00:49:42,450 --> 00:49:43,290 Thank you. 526 00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:50,080 We had another vision triangle questionnaire, really? 527 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,500 In sight, because that's a busy intersection. 528 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,740 There's a lot of kids that go through there with a daycare. 529 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,640 I'd be really afraid. 530 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,760 I mean, I think it's great, but I'd be worried 531 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,500 about visibility. 532 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,960 Yeah, I mean, when I would think that the park sign 533 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,060 would be more of an obstruction than this berm, 534 00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:17,880 It's going to be a gentle slope up, and the top of it may be four feet, but really the rest of it is 535 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:26,280 Slope down. So I don't we will double check all those vision triangles, but I don't see that as a visual issue. 536 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,360 I don't believe that's been designed yet. It's a placeholder, but I mean, you've probably seen other 537 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:40,720 LED signs, you know, their locations. I would imagine would have some sort of 538 00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:47,460 Hardened base, whether it's stone or masonry or something, so it would be perched up a little bit. 539 00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:48,120 We have. 540 00:50:49,940 --> 00:50:53,520 We don't have to do anything, but I think there's an opportunity. 541 00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:55,280 E-correct. 542 00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:57,420 There's an opportunity to do both corners. 543 00:50:57,540 --> 00:50:58,720 Whether you want to or not. 544 00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:00,520 I just did. 545 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:05,160 Yes. 546 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:05,660 Okay. 547 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:07,760 Let's start first. 548 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,080 Is there only one ADA parking spot up in that upper left hand corner? 549 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,180 Is that what you were saying? 550 00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:13,940 Yes. 551 00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:15,220 Well, right now there's zero. 552 00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:17,880 So we are proposing to add one. 553 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:18,680 We might be. 554 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,900 If you could add two, that would be better. 555 00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,200 I can look, yeah, it's a good question. 556 00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:24,220 It gets pretty tight. 557 00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:26,700 We might be able to adjust the alignment of the path there, 558 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:29,560 to buy some more space between the road and the path, 559 00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:31,720 but it is pretty tight up there. 560 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,980 Well, I know when people come for things like band concerts, 561 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,940 some things, it's really nice if you, for the older folks, 562 00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:38,180 if you can get something closer. 563 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,000 My other suggestion here, this is something I hit every time I 564 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,220 made an architect, put an extra stall in the women's room. 565 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,240 Please, please, please. 566 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:57,020 Because if you have events there and one of the toilets, the only toilet gets plugged and you've got a lot of kids going back and forth and who knows what they might do. 567 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,600 Really, every woman's room deserves at least two stalls. 568 00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:07,920 We really, really need it and it looks like you've got room to, you know, fudge the walls a little bit bigger if you can do that. 569 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,860 Anyway, I would put in a big plea for that. 570 00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:12,480 Flip to the building plan for me. 571 00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,260 Let's dive deeper on that. 572 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,140 Hold on, microphone, please. 573 00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:22,220 Follow the rules, please. 574 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,840 Just go back on the ADA spot. 575 00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:29,740 I thought at one point we had discussed putting ADA parking in where the food trucks would go. 576 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,300 And so those would be available when the food trucks are not there. 577 00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:39,980 Yes, yep. That space could be multifunction. And who knows you may not, garnered three food trucks at a time. 578 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,880 And then we can use those other striped zones for 88 parking. 579 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,660 Yeah. But I do think it's important to have at least one permanently dedicated ADA stall. 580 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:56,920 Sorry, we're looking for the building plans. And then we can, I can show you how the interior might lay out. 581 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,700 And see if we can gain another stall. 582 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,940 I'm not going to make any promises, but we'll look at 583 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,660 it. 584 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,100 The roadway. 585 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,040 Right on the map, it looks like it's right on the top of each other. 586 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:27,080 What's the distance that you need to have for the food trucks to park with the road along the side? 587 00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,620 You mean the width or in between the trucks? 588 00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:32,880 Between the trucks and the road. 589 00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:37,220 It looks like it's right up against the truck. 590 00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:42,240 No there's there's a shoulder there. I don't remember offhand what the dimension is but 591 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,520 usually we'll make that a typical drive lane is 11 or 12 feet wide. And so we'll usually accommodate 592 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:58,260 at least that for food trucks. Now the other piece of that question, food trucks when they align up in 593 00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:05,520 a group will often park tip to tail so that we don't have people walking through because then we have 594 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,640 visual issue, you can't see what's coming around the corner. So yeah. Okay. So let's talk 595 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:16,060 about a little bit about the building here. What I'm currently proposing is two unisex 596 00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:23,300 restroom. So men, women, anyone can use those. We could look at a scenario where we have 597 00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:30,640 dedicated men's and women's interiors. That could be a scenario. The building would have to 598 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,640 a bigger to do that, and it costs more. 599 00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:38,720 Is that a changing area on the left-hand side of the one restaurant? 600 00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:45,680 No, what it is is my code dimensions because a restroom has certain, I know someone who's 601 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,880 complaining about codes and regulations are there, I'll complain about it now, ADA restrooms 602 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:56,980 have very strict codes and offsets for turn movements inside, and so that left restroom 603 00:54:56,980 --> 00:55:04,160 is just the interior dimensions and dimension string lines. But no, there would not be an interior 604 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:10,360 partition. Okay, even if you just had a shelf in each one that people could use is a changing 605 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,420 area and I'd say put them in both of them because you get a lot of single dads going out with 606 00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:22,480 our kids too. It will be nice. Yes, there would be baby changing stations in both. Yes, sorry. I didn't 607 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,820 understand your question first, but for sure. 608 00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:31,070 Anybody else? 609 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:37,600 This is a restroom, is similar to the restroom we put in 610 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,880 high one oaks. It's a structure that's just brought in whole and 611 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:48,540 placed on the site. So they're kind of designed before they get here. 612 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,060 There are, yeah, they're constructed in a factory off site and they come in on a 613 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:56,500 truck and they crane it in. And actually that'd be a really good 614 00:55:56,500 --> 00:56:02,560 is at the park. It's pretty amazing to watch. Basically you go from a flat slab with pipes sticking 615 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:07,940 up out of the ground to a fully functional restroom in about four hours. It's pretty amazing. 616 00:56:08,860 --> 00:56:12,880 The technology, so the nice thing about that is it really minimizes your site disturbance time, 617 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:19,300 where otherwise you might have four months to build this out of wood frame or masonry frame, 618 00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:22,220 literally in a day. You have an operational bathroom. 619 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,120 Why do we wait for the mic? 620 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:25,660 Wait for the mic. 621 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,980 Are those doors are they timed? 622 00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:36,860 I mean, it would be open seven days a week, all year long. 623 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,100 But then the doors to get into the bathrooms are timed. 624 00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:42,860 Like from 8 to 5. 625 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,540 The parks close at 10 and they would lock at that time. 626 00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:47,860 Kind of like a brand park has. 627 00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,960 They also probably would not be open in the winter. 628 00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,060 Unless we were to temp heat them. 629 00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:55,440 but usually our facilities get winterized. 630 00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:59,750 Which doesn't work great for winter-fest. 631 00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:01,030 Now that I'm thinking about that. 632 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:06,760 You're alone. 633 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,140 Yeah, the issue is that it's a lot of energy spent 634 00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:13,180 to keep those pipes from freezing. 635 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:16,240 So we'd have to think through that one. 636 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,460 Good comment though. 637 00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:21,690 Like I said, I don't promise anything here tonight. 638 00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:22,390 I just listen. 639 00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:30,620 Hi, the toilets are flushable, right? 640 00:57:30,660 --> 00:57:30,960 Yeah. 641 00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:35,120 So all the infrastructure for that gets put. 642 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,960 is done first and then they just pop that on the top. Correct. Yep. We have the sanitary sewer 643 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,800 put in and the water service put in and we know where all the floor holes have to be and that 644 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,900 because it comes with a floor actually in the building, a concrete plant slab. So we would coordinate 645 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:57,100 all the penetrations for those pipes in the floor and it comes and literally it just sleeves right 646 00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,640 over all those pipes coming out of the ground. Pretty amazing. 647 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,920 But I've never seen one miss yet. 648 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,540 I don't know what. 649 00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:12,420 Yes, well, hang on. 650 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,460 Microphone holding. 651 00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:17,360 The question was, is there a ramp to the gazebo? 652 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,680 I don't believe it is currently ramped. 653 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,520 Is it? There's the steps in the papers. 654 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,220 We would probably look at that at the time of the replacement. 655 00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:28,520 Because that would be a great idea. 656 00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:41,980 It's only 20 minutes in guys. We got 40 more minutes, so I don't. 657 00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,220 I'm not a good dancer, so we might as well talk. 658 00:58:57,870 --> 00:59:00,390 Okay, don't have any costs yet. 659 00:59:00,550 --> 00:59:00,990 Correct. 660 00:59:02,350 --> 00:59:02,490 Yep. 661 00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:04,210 We're working on it. 662 00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:08,190 I really want to hear what you guys think about the ideas before we start to formulate all 663 00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:08,870 that. 664 00:59:10,450 --> 00:59:15,370 And that is our next step, is to look at, you know, what is the, what are all these chunks 665 00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:19,490 cost and how do we spread it out over a reasonable time period and not have 666 00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:21,270 construction in the park forever? 667 00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:23,770 You know, that doesn't feel great either. 668 00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:26,210 So we want to make sure we're doing it in a sensible manner. 669 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,960 I'm questioning the need for the LED signs. 670 00:59:42,020 --> 00:59:44,040 I don't know what people drive in by. 671 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,100 They're going to quickly actually see what might be on there and there might be a distraction. 672 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:55,720 But also, it appears to me that maybe a bit tacky that these LED signs. 673 00:59:56,980 --> 00:59:59,960 And so, I think if we could do without those, I'd be... 674 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:01,120 Okay. 675 01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:32,220 Part of it is trying to figure out ways to more efficiently share a community information that groups and events are looking to do versus it's kind of a free for all right now. If we don't do the signs, we don't do the signs, but it's just an idea and if that's ultimately not something we want to pursue, then. 676 01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:45,930 So, the nothings in the budget now, but you'd be building it into the budget. 677 01:00:46,550 --> 01:00:47,050 All this. 678 01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:47,890 Yeah, I don't know. 679 01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:49,370 Yeah, let's first. 680 01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:54,190 Yeah, the plan, the plan elements will create recommendations for improvements. 681 01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:59,290 And then we'll look at that to see sort of what we may or may not want to implement in one. 682 01:00:59,510 --> 01:01:03,730 Like the public restroom, that could be something that is like a first phase if that's a priority. 683 01:01:03,730 --> 01:01:07,290 and ultimately, then we can look and see how that fits. 684 01:01:07,550 --> 01:01:11,950 Capital improvement plan does use some parks funds money, which is paid through 685 01:01:11,950 --> 01:01:15,830 impact fees, through growth, and that could be used as a first phase. 686 01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:18,950 As an example, we'll take a look during the budget process. 687 01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:24,090 So we'll be bringing these plans to the Park and REC, a park committee here in 688 01:01:24,090 --> 01:01:25,670 September, right? 689 01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:27,430 Yes. 690 01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:33,190 And so at that point, we'll have some ideas on cost, and we'll have a discussion 691 01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:37,950 about the phasing and, you know, if we want to go all of it at once or if we want to 692 01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:41,030 try and break it up into smaller pieces, so that'll be coming up next month. 693 01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:43,630 We'll be breaking it up into smaller pieces. 694 01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:45,970 We'll be breaking it up into smaller pieces, I'm told. 695 01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:48,430 Thank you, Matt. 696 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,160 Anything else I missed, Matt? 697 01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:58,430 If there are no other questions, I do have all these same graphics back here. 698 01:01:58,530 --> 01:02:02,030 I'm happy to float around back there and chat with you guys about other questions. 699 01:02:02,530 --> 01:02:06,410 Otherwise, make sure you do sign in for those of you who did not sign in on the way 700 01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:10,630 sign in on the way out and I will make sure that you guys are in the loop here as things 701 01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:11,330 progress. 702 01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:17,750 I'm Alda. Thank you all for suffering through an hour and a half of me.