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I will call this meeting to order. This is the regularly scheduled meeting,

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City Commission, City of Altamonte Springs for August 18th,

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2026. If you all would please rise for a

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moment of silence, followed by the pledge.

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Thank you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America, and to the republic for which it stands, one

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nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you.

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If

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anyone wants to speak tonight and didn't fill out a speaker card, if you would

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please go do that,

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because that's how we're going to greet everybody this evening and

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let you speak.

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And for three minutes please. That will be the time.

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All right. Commissioners, we have approval

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of the minutes from our review meeting of June

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24th, 2026, and the regular meeting of

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July 7th, 2026.

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I move that we approve the minutes from June 24th and

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July 7th.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second. All those in favor indicate by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed, like sign. Passes unanimously.

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Item three is informal communication from the floor on

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any item that is not a public hearing.

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So I am going to read

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Denver.

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And again, we're doing three minutes so we can all get to

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speak.

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Can I go here?

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Yes, sir.

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You can state your name.

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Yes, and please state your name and your address for the-

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I will not give my address, but I will give... My name is Denver.

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I will not surrender my Fourth Amendment right.

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I'm here to address you about the flock cameras.

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You guys have put so many...

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Is that the clock there?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Okay. There's nothing on it, so I want to be honest and-

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I could lie. There we go.

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Cool. Thank you. You guys have put so many flock cameras going up around the city

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that my little girl is scared to go places.

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She's learned how to point them cameras out.

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And not just Flock, there are other brand names.

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You guys, right here on Central, we went from seven cameras, we're now up

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to 19 that I can count. They're hidden in lights, they're hidden on poles,

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they're hidden all over the place. It's gotten to the point it's a game.

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They don't just read license plates. I don't know if you know that or not.

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They're actually tracking Bluetooth.

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They're actually looking into your car, straightening down, taking your picture.

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They've documented your car, the audio, video.

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They're surveilling you completely, 100%.

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I don't know if you guys know this or not.

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It is an invasion of privacy. The Supreme Court just ruled that by Google

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had a court case where they said 30 days of surveillance is too aggressive and too

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much. I can't go anywhere in Altamonte.

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I can't go anywhere from here to here without worrying about it, and my little girl

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hates it. Every car I get in, my oldest daughter, it's ridiculous.

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It is way too many vehicles, and I don't remember

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hearing saying we're going to put them up. Literally, they were here.

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The next day, they were here, here. It's all over the place.

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I can't even go to

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the city of Altamonte, right there at the

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my brain, Crane's Roost, without being seen.

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You can't get in and out without being seen.

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Now they got them with cameras at the park.

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My little girl doesn't want to go to the park. I'm afraid to go to the gun range.

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I'm afraid to go do this. I'm afraid to go do that. No, excuse me.

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Wrong word, afraid. I hate the fact that I'm being tracked everywhere I go.

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I disagree with it. You guys,

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when did we take the vote on it? When did we vote this in?

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I don't remember anything. Can you guys tell me that?

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The other problem I have is that your officers

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have violated rights on me and a few other folks, and I disagree with what's going

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on. My Fourth Amendment rights was violated because they believed a repo driver

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over me, and I was defending my life.

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And your cops put me in jail in handcuffs, read me my Fourth Amendment right,

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basically arrested me for defending myself.

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And most of your cops do not know what the First Amendment is, the Fourth

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Amendment, the Second Amendment, or even the Fifth Amendment is.

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We need to get these officers better educated.

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But my main concern is definitely these flocks. We have too many here.

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We need to remove these or do something about this.

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Oviedo just voted some of them down.

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Other cities because I don't want to see the drones come here like we have in

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Orlando. Why? So I don't know who does what, what's that saying?

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I'm still learning, you guys, but please, folks, let's get these flock cameras out

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of here. They're not for our safety. They're not at all.

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The Supreme Court has ruled you cannot violate this constant

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surveillance. So thank you for your time. Y'all have a great night.

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Thank you, sir.

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Jessica Lynch.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Hello.

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You asked for my name, Jessica Lynch.

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My address is 603 Newport Avenue. I own my home with

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my husband. I also live with my daughter, Phoebe, who is five.

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I'm here today to speak with you all about the very upsetting news that the

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library is up for closure due to budgetary constraints.

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Two years ago, you all were the people I spoke with last time

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about keeping this library open.

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It wasn't just me, it was many, many citizens of this city who came out

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to speak in favor of keeping our library open.

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So much so that we

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encouraged you all to vote on our behalf to raise our taxes.

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And with that said, that two years later, we've run out of money, while we're here

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discussing other expenditure items that the people do not

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seem in favor of, seems pretty crazy to me.

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The library is a community resource that is good for children, it's good for

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people of all ages.

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In tough times, libraries are places where people can still get access to

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books. They can apply for jobs on computers.

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There are ESOL programs. There are citizenship programs that are available

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there. There are so many amazing community resources that are happening at that

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library, and it really, truly deserves to be saved.

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As a commission, you work for us people.

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I hope that you all will listen to us again this time and vote down any

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budget that would not include the library.

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I also hope

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that you will consider, please,

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continuing to invest in this library.

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It's a great community resource again, and it's just

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so, so devastating that I'm back here to try to save this only two years

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later. Like, where did those funds go, if not to the program

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that we came out to raise those taxes for?

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So, I, at this time, would ask that you send the budget

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commission back at it. Have them look at this before it comes up for a vote in a

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couple of weeks. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, Gwen Guthrie.

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Good evening, everyone. I'm going to go back to the flock camera

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issue.

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I understand why technology that helps law enforcement solve crimes is

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appealing. We all want our communities to be safe.

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But every expansion of government surveillance deserves careful

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scrutiny. George Orwell wrote "1984" as a warning and

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not an instruction manual. And the movie "Minority Report" gave us

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another warning. What happens when we move away from investigating

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people suspected of crimes and towards watching everyone because

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someone might commit one?

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Obviously, we're not living in a science fiction movie, but the principles

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matter.

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There's an important difference between using technology to investigate a specific

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crime and collecting information about ordinary people first,

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then deciding later whose movements are worth investigating.

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That's what concerns me about the automated license plate readers.

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The vast majority of people whose plates are captured aren't suspected of

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committing a crime. They're going to work, they're taking their kids to

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school, or going to dinner, or just driving through town.

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And Altamonte Springs isn't alone in wrestling with this issue.

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Like mentioned earlier, the city of Oviedo met last night to

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discuss their own license plate reader program, and whether it should be

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eliminated. They'll soon vote on whether or not to eliminate the program.

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The question isn't simply, does this technology help law

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enforcement? I'm sure that it does.

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The harder question is, how much surveillance of innocent people are we

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willing to accept in exchange for that benefit?

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And what safeguards exist to make sure today's reasonable use

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doesn't become tomorrow's abuse?

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The Fourth Amendment exists precisely because government power needs

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boundaries. Privacy isn't something we should have to earn by

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proving we have nothing to hide.

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Technology changes, but our principles shouldn't.

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Freedom is rarely lost all at once.

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It disappears one reasonable exception at a time.

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Thank you.

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Audrey, I am going to try your last

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name, and I apologize ahead of time.

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Verowetwatana.

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Is that anywhere close?

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It's close.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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And again, we need your name and your address, please.

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I'm Audrey Verowetwat, and I live at

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529 Fernwood Drive.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor and Commissioners.

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I'm Audrey Verowetwat. Did you remember me?

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I was here two years ago, right here, speaking for the library

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to be saved. And today, I am back

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doing the same thing I've been doing last time.

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The library should be saved because it is very important.

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I know how important it is because I've been there since I was a baby.

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I'm still borrowing books every week.

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I cannot believe that this is happening again.

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The library is important because it helps people of all ages.

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It provides free resources, computers, and books.

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It helps kids by providing story times, reading programs, and

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summer reading to encourage kids to read and learn.

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It helps teens by providing a quiet place for them to work

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and help them meet new people and interact in their environment.

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It helps adults by providing computers so they can research some

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jobs and apply for it there.

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Libraries are important in many ways.

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This library should remain right here where it is now.

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So before you think of closing the library, think about all the

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perspectives of people living in this city.

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Think about who will be affected by this action.

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All of the kids, teens, adults, senior

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citizens, those in need, people who live here, and the

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librarians.

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The library will close

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if people want it to, but it will

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affect all the people that use the

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library.

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People need libraries. Libraries belong in everyone's

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life. Without libraries, people won't be connected

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with other people in the city. Do you know that advanced cities

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have libraries? Cities that don't have one want

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one. Altamonte Springs is one of the many cities that

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have one. The majority of the cities don't have one.

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Why do you want to close this precious library that everyone depends

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on?

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People like this library. Like I said before, this

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library is important to our city, to our everyday lives,

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to us. Please keep this library. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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My dad also printed out these for you guys to read before you guys

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vote.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Dominic Fitz.

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Hello. My name is Dominic Fitz, zip code 32746 for the record.

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I'm here today to call for the immediate removal of all flock cameras and any other

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ALPR cameras in Altamonte Springs on grounds that they are in extreme

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violation of the Fourth Amendment.

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That amendment being the right of the people to secure their persons, houses,

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papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be

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violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause supported

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by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and

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the persons or things to be seized.

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According to the ACLU, less than 1% of license plates that are scanned are

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actually connected to any crime or wrongdoing.

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Flock cameras are not just license plate readers.

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They have AI algorithms that track the make, model, and color of your car.

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They track any bumper stickers, scratches, dents, and the time you drove by the

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flock camera. This information is then stored in their database with little

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regulation on how it can be used or who it can be shared with.

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According to the Institute of Justice, multiple police departments have been caught

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with officers using information from flock cameras to stalk exes, current

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romantic partners, and even just people on the street they find slightly

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interesting. Flock cameras are not just like my cell phone or

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any other electronic thing that people claim track me on a daily basis.

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They're unconstitutional checkpoints that store my data and your data and

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share it with anyone at their will with no warrant.

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Every time I watch the news, I'm constantly hearing them talk about how horrible a

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surveillance state is when it comes to other nations.

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But here I am living in a surveillance state right here in the United States of

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America. I have flock cameras down every street I drive.

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They're at the Lowe's when I'm trying to buy fertilizer.

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They're at the park when I'm trying to go for a run.

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They're outside Publix when I'm trying to buy eggs.

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They're a severe breach of privacy and my rights as an American citizen, and all

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ALPR cameras need to get the flock out of Altamonte Springs and everywhere else in

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this nation. Thank you.

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Justin Harvey.

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Justin Harvey?

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My name is Justin Harvey. I'm at 999 Douglas Ave.

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I'm also here to talk in opposition to the flock cameras.

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As I'm sure you've heard, cities across the US are canceling their contracts over

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privacy concerns. A Haines City police officer was just arrested for

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tracking his estranged wife, as someone just mentioned.

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In a California town, flock misread license plates in 71% of the

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cases it sent to police. In a report in Atlanta found their entire

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network of flock cameras has not reduced crime. And we all want safe communities.

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I don't think the goal is to take away your crime-fighting tools, but when the tool

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to reduce crime destroys what little privacy we have left while creating

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a mass surveillance state where we are tracked and it's ripe for abuse,

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I think we have to go back to the drawing board.

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They call them automatic license plate readers, but they've been found in bike

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paths, walking trails, public parks, community pools, children's

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gymnastics gyms. That's not plate tracking.

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That is people tracking. I saw this quote and it was too good not to

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share. "Flock is a mass surveillance network, and there's a difference between

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you seeing someone drive down the road and the government creating a searchable

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record of where you've been." This is a reason that we oppose flock,

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not because we're against law enforcement, but because we're against mass

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surveillance. In a free country, the government should not be able to track the

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daily movements of law-abiding citizens without individualized

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suspicion or a warrant. "But your phone already tracks you," is what

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most people will say, right? The difference is consent, and I have to click a

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button that says, "This device may track me." If you don't want to do that, you can

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get a flip phone, and some people do that because it's their choice.

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But flock is warrantless surveillance without consent.

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And the most dangerous thing isn't what the cameras are doing, but

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it's quietly what we're doing to society.

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It's this deeper, I think, picture here.

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It's the gradual abandonment of one of the oldest traditions, and that's

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innocent until proven guilty. One of the oldest

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premises we have is that an individual is innocent until we're shown

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otherwise. This surveillance system totally reverses those roles.

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Now we're guilty until proven innocent.

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We see people getting accused of things that they were not doing just because this

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robot system has misread it.

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It's a very dangerous precedent and a road that we don't want to go down

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Everyone is watched, everyone's cataloged, and everyone is searchable.

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And not because they've done something wrong, but because they might do something

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wrong in the future. And that shift is very concerning.

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As you've seen, some cities are solving the Flock backlash by adding

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contracts with Axon, Motorola, SoundThinking. This is not the answer.

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Denver did it and it's same mass surveillance, different logo.

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Just because it's a slicker product doesn't mean our Fourth Amendment is still

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out the window. We do not consent to warrantless tracking of our movements by

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any private companies. I think that's the key takeaway there.

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A wise man once said, "Those who exchange essential liberty for perceived security

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deserve neither and shall lose both." So I hope you will reconsider your Flock

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contracts.

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Thank you very much for your time.

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Dominique Douglas.

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Dominique Douglas?

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Good afternoon, everyone. Okay. Dominique Douglas,

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936 Lake Destiny, Altamonte Springs.

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Good evening, City Council.

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As I said, my name is Dominique Douglas, and I'm a resident of Altamonte

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Springs. I'm going to read this real quick because I talk too much.

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So I have an English degree from Rollins College.

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Books, literacy, and access to information obviously

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matter to me.

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But this isn't about me loving books.

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It's about accessibility, fiscal transparency, and

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representation.

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If we

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were having this conversation 15 years ago, I might

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understand someone arguing that technology could eventually

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reduce the need for a physical library.

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Oh, she's like, "That's too much."

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You're good.

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Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Angie.

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Like I was saying, if we had this conversation 15 years ago, I might understand

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someone arguing that technology could eventually reduce the need for

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a physical library. But look at what has happened in these 15

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years. We've already lost so much physical access.

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Textbooks became e-books for my daughter.

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One year, they said all she's going to need is an iPad. She's got an app for that.

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Applications went online for everything.

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Government services went online, job applications went online, bills went

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online, banking went online. And every time we digitize something, we

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assume everyone has equal access to that device, the internet, the

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technology, and the ability to use it. They don't.

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Digital access is in addition to accessibility.

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It is not a replacement for accessibility.

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And a library is more than books on shelves.

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It is internet access, computers, educational resources,

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children's programming, a place for seniors, a place for families,

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a place where somebody who doesn't have everything at home or internet

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access can still have access to information and opportunity.

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So no, an e-book does not automatically replace a library any

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more than an e-book automatically replaces access.

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Then we have the money. I understand that you have to balance a budget,

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but a balanced budget tells us the numbers and that they work.

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Fiscal transparency tells us what your priorities are.

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The city's own budget documents show $500,000

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budgeted for a field, two press boxes, renovations at Esemont

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Park. I'm not standing here saying parks don't matter.

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I love Altamonte, and I live here partially because of the parks.

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They do.

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I'm asking a very simple question.

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What other options did you consider for the library?

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What funds can be reallocated? What could be reprioritized?

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What grants were explored? What partnerships were explored?

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Could a nonprofit even operate it?

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Could educational institutions participate? Could residents participate?

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Because residents should not learn after the fact that a major

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public service that they thought their tax dollars were supporting is going to

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disappear anyway. And if the answer is that somebody else should take over the

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library, fine. Let's have that conversation.

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But then let's also have the conversation about that tax increase residents were

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told was necessary, in part because of the library.

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If another organization assumes that responsibility, then explain where those

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dollars follow the library and whether those dollars should be returned to the

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taxpayers. The residents have already answered the question of whether they

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want their library. They do. So stop asking whether and ask

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how.

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All right. Jude Stevens.

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Jude Stevens.

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Jude Stevens, 32714.

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Not nearly as eloquent as anybody who's come before me, but

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Flock cameras, Axon, whatever

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company name you want to give them,

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they need to be removed.

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It doesn't matter if they say they're going to change from keeping our

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information from 30 days to seven days, or if the police need a

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specific number to get in. None of that matters

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because they shouldn't have the information to begin with.

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I realize we don't have an expectation of privacy

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in public,

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but that doesn't extend to anyone who's keeping a

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network that tracks me

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and stores my information for no reason at all.

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I haven't done anything wrong.

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It may help the police in some instances, but that doesn't justify

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what amounts to government surveillance of the general public.

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This is a slippery slope, and I don't know how many city

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and county commission meetings we have to go to because we could

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take care of it for the city of Altamonte, but then you

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drive through an intersection and all of a sudden you're county, and that's

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another whole set of people that we need to be talking

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to.

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But it has to start somewhere, and we

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need to start it here.

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The library,

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I don't understand why it's an issue every single year.

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We did this a couple of years ago. We had a budget that

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all the department managers in the city said, "Yep, we can do this.

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Not a problem. We don't need an increase, no

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tax increase."

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And

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then somebody said, "Well, the library.

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We can't fund the library." And

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we just listened to the young lady who was interviewed by Channel

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9 News saying, "I like my library. I like my

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librarians. This is very important to me." And then all of a sudden,

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it was brought up again.

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We're finding out about these things after the fact,

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and

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that's not right.

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I like libraries. I have a six-year-old granddaughter going into the

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first grade, and she's already reading at a

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third-grade level because they go to the

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library all the time.

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I don't know what has to give, but

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I don't think we can keep making the library an issue year after year

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after year.

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And like I said, I don't know what can give to

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make sure that that happens, but

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maybe if we don't spend money on flock cameras, we can put them towards

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the library.

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Tyler Walter.

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My name is Tyler Walter. I'm 21. I live at

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937 South Ridge Trail. I've lived in Altamonte Springs all my life. I grew up here.

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I've been in that library since I

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can really remember.

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I grew up in that library. I would always go there after school.

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I'd get a stack of books about this high, finish them in three days, and be back.

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I love that library.

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If we can do anything to fund it at all, I'm in support of it.

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As somebody else said, we can contract it.

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We can

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look at management options, volunteers, I don't care.

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Let's work it out.

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Couple other issues I'm here for,

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the flock cameras. The flock cameras,

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I really am concerned about the civil liberty violations.

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I think it can escalate really fast, not only from official use of it, but

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unofficial use of it, which kind of rolls into the third issue I'm going to talk

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about, which I haven't heard anybody talk about yet, is the

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allegations of playground cameras at Merrill that are

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facing our children's playgrounds.

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I brought that up here.

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Okay. That's what you're talking about? Okay.

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Wow.

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The potential for misuse there is really concerning to me.

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I think that needs to be addressed immediately.

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Why are those there? What are the statistics that are justifying those cameras

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being there? Is that a high-crime area?

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I go to Merrill all the time. I don't think that's a high-crime area we need to be

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watching all the time. If we want to watch a place

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more, those pedestrian tunnels. The amount of

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trash and human excrement, I mean, it's gross, but that's in there is

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appalling, and those need to be watched a little more closely.

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Just,

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I think our city can do better with our surveillance.

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I think we can do better with

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our civil liberties, okay? I think that we don't need flock cameras.

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This is, to my knowledge, a very safe city.

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When I turn on the news and see a news of a

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big police action, it's always a shock to me. I've grown up here.

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I've always felt safe here. Never felt unsafe here in my life.

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And so I just don't understand why we need all these flock cameras everywhere.

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I think really we can just do better, and I think

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consulting us, the residents, is what's important on

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these cameras. Voting,

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at least holding public hearings for when we're going to put new cameras in places,

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at least,

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I think is very important, and I would like to see that going forward.

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I have great faith in this city and its leadership, and I love living here, and I

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will hopefully continue to live here for as long as it's feasible for me to do so.

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And even when I don't live here, it'll always be special to me because I grew up

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here, and I want to see it thrive. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sarah Leveridge.

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00:29:27,152 --> 00:29:29,392
Hello, my name is Sarah Leveridge.

492
00:29:29,572 --> 00:29:33,292
I live at 5051 Center Boulevard. I've

493
00:29:33,392 --> 00:29:36,912
lived in Altamonte Springs just a little over a year now, so I'm a newer

494
00:29:36,982 --> 00:29:40,652
resident. Moved here and I really loved the area

495
00:29:40,662 --> 00:29:44,522
and the library. I was absolutely shocked to hear

496
00:29:44,692 --> 00:29:47,572
about what is potentially going to happen to this library.

497
00:29:48,572 --> 00:29:51,792
And then to even hear that two years ago, this was already

498
00:29:51,872 --> 00:29:55,772
discussed and decided on. So do you care

499
00:29:55,852 --> 00:29:58,892
about what the citizens are saying to you or not?

500
00:29:59,012 --> 00:30:01,212
It's a little bit of a confusing situation.

501
00:30:01,612 --> 00:30:05,292
It'd be really sad to see the library close down.

502
00:30:05,892 --> 00:30:09,812
It's a great place. They do events, and it's just a great resource

503
00:30:09,892 --> 00:30:10,792
for the community.

504
00:30:11,792 --> 00:30:13,892
The other issue is the Flock cameras.

505
00:30:14,892 --> 00:30:17,972
I live on One Center Boulevard in Palm Springs.

506
00:30:18,432 --> 00:30:22,152
There's a ridiculous amount of Flock cameras there that have been brought to my

507
00:30:22,192 --> 00:30:22,792
attention.

508
00:30:24,272 --> 00:30:26,542
And people have really brought up already

509
00:30:27,512 --> 00:30:30,552
some misuse that has happened with these Flock cameras.

510
00:30:31,352 --> 00:30:33,972
This is an example from Orange City, Florida.

511
00:30:33,982 --> 00:30:37,672
A police officer ran his ex-girlfriend's license plate through the Flock

512
00:30:38,312 --> 00:30:41,972
automated plate reader. He searched for the license plate at least

513
00:30:42,252 --> 00:30:46,092
69 times, he searched for the license plate belonging to her mom at

514
00:30:46,132 --> 00:30:49,632
least 24 times, and he searched for the license plate belonging to her

515
00:30:49,672 --> 00:30:53,542
dad at least 15 times. His searches were happening so often

516
00:30:53,572 --> 00:30:56,812
and were so commonplace, that even one of his colleagues noticed

517
00:30:56,852 --> 00:31:00,652
Brown researching his ex-girlfriend's whereabouts while the law enforcement

518
00:31:00,772 --> 00:31:03,052
officers sat in their police cruisers.

519
00:31:03,892 --> 00:31:07,742
This is not a one-off incident. There are a lot of police officers

520
00:31:07,812 --> 00:31:09,592
abusing these Flock camera systems.

521
00:31:09,952 --> 00:31:13,912
They seem to have unlimited access to them, and I think that's a very big

522
00:31:13,952 --> 00:31:15,542
danger to the community.

523
00:31:16,652 --> 00:31:20,582
So I wanted to bring that to people's attention and just come up here

524
00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:24,432
and say that I really disapprove of the Flock cameras and what is potentially

525
00:31:24,472 --> 00:31:25,612
happening to the library.

526
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:26,932
Thank you.

527
00:31:34,672 --> 00:31:36,732
I believe it's Sammy Stout.

528
00:31:45,072 --> 00:31:45,692
Hey, I'm Sammy.

529
00:31:48,012 --> 00:31:51,812
History's taught us what happens when you have the rise of the power of the

530
00:31:51,832 --> 00:31:55,312
government and the police and that kind of thing, and burning books.

531
00:31:55,552 --> 00:31:57,312
That's what it sounds like what's happening here.

532
00:31:57,892 --> 00:32:00,541
Maybe it's a generalization, but I don't see why

533
00:32:02,692 --> 00:32:06,552
any of you would support that. We shouldn't even have to be

534
00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:10,032
here to tell you this. This is the kind of obvious stuff if you care about the

535
00:32:10,072 --> 00:32:12,232
people you live with and represent.

536
00:32:12,332 --> 00:32:12,672
So,

537
00:32:15,452 --> 00:32:17,922
if nothing's done,

538
00:32:18,792 --> 00:32:20,432
I don't see why any of you would still be up here.

539
00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:23,392
Maybe you started your political careers wanting to be

540
00:32:24,472 --> 00:32:27,612
really on fire to help people and everything, but I don't feel like this is

541
00:32:27,932 --> 00:32:28,392
happening.

542
00:32:30,632 --> 00:32:32,872
Let's see some positive stuff. We shouldn't even ask

543
00:32:33,812 --> 00:32:37,032
to not close a library. It's ridiculous.

544
00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:38,452
So,

545
00:32:39,352 --> 00:32:40,312
that's all I got. Thank you.

546
00:32:40,592 --> 00:32:41,112
Thank you.

547
00:32:49,272 --> 00:32:51,932
Sagar Patel.

548
00:32:52,412 --> 00:32:53,732
Here.

549
00:33:00,872 --> 00:33:04,712
Where do you want to go? Into nature or into a city?

550
00:33:05,532 --> 00:33:06,232
I don't know what that was.

551
00:33:07,192 --> 00:33:07,392
Hi.

552
00:33:09,372 --> 00:33:11,252
Just real quick, my name's Sagar Patel.

553
00:33:11,572 --> 00:33:14,092
I'll share my address if each of you shares yours.

554
00:33:16,372 --> 00:33:18,092
Mine's posted on the website.

555
00:33:19,612 --> 00:33:21,672
So you can understand that initial

556
00:33:22,512 --> 00:33:26,312
feeling of not wanting that privacy, and that's how a lot of

557
00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:27,952
people feel about these Flock cameras.

558
00:33:28,552 --> 00:33:31,632
The unnecessary tracking of everyone.

559
00:33:32,492 --> 00:33:36,381
And then the other problem is, it's not even just our police officers who are

560
00:33:36,412 --> 00:33:40,292
getting this, it actually is the city selling all of this information to

561
00:33:40,332 --> 00:33:43,652
the corporation and then buying it back from them.

562
00:33:43,712 --> 00:33:46,442
How much is the Flock contract in Altamonte Springs right now?

563
00:33:47,011 --> 00:33:47,252
Do we-

564
00:33:47,792 --> 00:33:48,332
It's zero.

565
00:33:49,692 --> 00:33:51,572
But there's cameras out there, so how much are you paying?

566
00:33:51,672 --> 00:33:51,961
How much-

567
00:33:52,452 --> 00:33:55,912
Those aren't ours. Those are owned by the Department of Homeland Security.

568
00:33:56,032 --> 00:33:56,812
No, they don't know.

569
00:33:57,012 --> 00:33:57,591
Department of Homeland Security.

570
00:34:03,362 --> 00:34:06,252
That's worrisome that we don't have a number on that.

571
00:34:06,932 --> 00:34:10,072
You can understand why everyone here is worried about that.

572
00:34:10,232 --> 00:34:11,332
That's a legitimate worry.

573
00:34:13,352 --> 00:34:13,973
And

574
00:34:15,072 --> 00:34:19,053
if anyone has looked into interviews with the representatives from

575
00:34:19,132 --> 00:34:22,312
Flock, they don't appear to be a trustworthy corporation.

576
00:34:22,412 --> 00:34:26,283
There was a city in Illinois that wanted to get rid of their cameras, and Flock is

577
00:34:26,372 --> 00:34:30,312
refusing to remove them, and there's actually legal issues now because it's

578
00:34:30,372 --> 00:34:34,272
still privately owned. So now the city is having to spend more taxpayer dollars

579
00:34:34,432 --> 00:34:36,172
to now remove the Flock cameras.

580
00:34:37,172 --> 00:34:41,072
So, and again, we're spending all this money

581
00:34:41,132 --> 00:34:42,072
on the Flock cameras.

582
00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:47,342
No one here seems to want them, but meanwhile, the library is struggling for

583
00:34:47,432 --> 00:34:47,832
funding.

584
00:34:48,892 --> 00:34:50,062
Yeah.

585
00:34:50,272 --> 00:34:52,572
It seems like a very easy call here.

586
00:34:53,852 --> 00:34:55,092
Anyway, that's my time.

587
00:35:03,492 --> 00:35:05,392
Christopher Hopkins.

588
00:35:17,402 --> 00:35:18,632
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

589
00:35:19,832 --> 00:35:20,712
Excuse me a moment. Here.

590
00:35:21,612 --> 00:35:25,552
My name is Christopher Hopkins, and I don't think I need to share my address, since

591
00:35:25,612 --> 00:35:29,532
I passed no fewer than a dozen Flock cameras on the way to this meeting, so

592
00:35:29,972 --> 00:35:31,392
you already know where I live.

593
00:35:32,732 --> 00:35:36,572
Why do we have flock cameras? There is no evidence that they reduce the

594
00:35:36,612 --> 00:35:40,472
incidence of crime, but one of the few audits of them done in Roseville,

595
00:35:40,512 --> 00:35:43,892
California, shows a 71% error rate.

596
00:35:44,612 --> 00:35:47,992
The fact of the matter is that flock cameras are not for citizens.

597
00:35:48,432 --> 00:35:51,732
They don't keep us safe. They are intended to watch innocent

598
00:35:51,792 --> 00:35:54,232
citizens and encourage police to

599
00:35:55,292 --> 00:35:58,702
violate our rights. Already we have seen dozens of

600
00:35:58,732 --> 00:36:02,432
incidents of police

601
00:36:02,512 --> 00:36:06,312
officers abusing the system to follow personal

602
00:36:06,352 --> 00:36:07,692
enemies and romantic partners.

603
00:36:08,572 --> 00:36:11,092
There are almost no regulations regarding this data.

604
00:36:11,292 --> 00:36:14,192
There's no recourse for the public in regards to abuse and almost no

605
00:36:14,332 --> 00:36:18,142
transparency. Like with AI, we rushed to adopt this

606
00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:22,032
technology with absolutely no idea how to protect average

607
00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:25,192
citizens, and possibly no thought to it at all.

608
00:36:26,132 --> 00:36:29,962
If this city cares about reducing crime, we should be investing

609
00:36:30,072 --> 00:36:34,062
in our libraries. According to a study published in "The Journal of

610
00:36:34,172 --> 00:36:37,852
Cultural Economics" thank you, in 2023,

611
00:36:38,292 --> 00:36:41,982
the expansion of public libraries in Kansas City, Missouri, resulted in, quote,

612
00:36:42,282 --> 00:36:46,012
"A substantial reduction in frequency of burglaries, vandalism, robberies,

613
00:36:46,112 --> 00:36:50,072
fraud, and assaults." This is just one of hundreds of

614
00:36:50,232 --> 00:36:53,922
studies going back to at least three quarters of a century,

615
00:36:54,352 --> 00:36:57,232
showing the exact same result over and over again.

616
00:36:58,712 --> 00:37:01,972
Instead of wasting money on an untested, easily abused

617
00:37:02,032 --> 00:37:05,732
technology, we should be investing in our libraries, which

618
00:37:05,872 --> 00:37:09,192
actually accomplish the goals we claim to want to accomplish.

619
00:37:09,932 --> 00:37:13,732
It's time we treat library budgets with the same reverence we treat police

620
00:37:13,832 --> 00:37:16,252
budgets. In fact, with even more.

621
00:37:17,132 --> 00:37:21,052
As a politician, there are very few slam dunk issues

622
00:37:21,772 --> 00:37:22,472
in the world.

623
00:37:23,572 --> 00:37:27,192
I am telling all of you, libraries instead of flock cameras

624
00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:29,572
is one of those slam dunk issues.

625
00:37:30,472 --> 00:37:30,932
Thank you.

626
00:37:31,312 --> 00:37:31,712
Thank you.

627
00:37:39,672 --> 00:37:41,792
All right. H. Alexander Duncan.

628
00:37:46,532 --> 00:37:47,612
Okay.

629
00:37:50,592 --> 00:37:53,732
Moving on to Craig Saba.

630
00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:08,072
Hi there, folks. As the previous people have mentioned,

631
00:38:09,152 --> 00:38:12,792
if you want my address, you can ask the police officer in the back to take a look

632
00:38:12,852 --> 00:38:14,432
at it. My license plate is in the front.

633
00:38:14,812 --> 00:38:16,582
He'll be able to find it in about five seconds.

634
00:38:17,692 --> 00:38:21,471
A lot of people have already spoken about the ALPR cameras, automated license plate

635
00:38:21,512 --> 00:38:24,692
readers. So I'm just going to go over some other key points because they

636
00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:26,872
frankly stole a lot of what I was going to say.

637
00:38:28,072 --> 00:38:31,112
The first gentleman that I walked in on, the guy in the gray shirt back there, he

638
00:38:31,172 --> 00:38:32,892
said that he's not currently afraid of these cameras.

639
00:38:33,732 --> 00:38:34,412
But that's today,

640
00:38:35,872 --> 00:38:38,452
because the government currently doesn't see him as a threat.

641
00:38:39,112 --> 00:38:42,792
He hasn't said something that the government has thought ill of yet, so he

642
00:38:42,812 --> 00:38:45,872
doesn't see any threat to the police showing up at his door yet.

643
00:38:46,252 --> 00:38:47,412
But it could happen at any time.

644
00:38:49,192 --> 00:38:50,812
This technology is still very young.

645
00:38:51,972 --> 00:38:55,852
So people might think that it's not that much of an issue yet, but this is just the

646
00:38:55,892 --> 00:38:59,412
infancy. Technology grows at an accelerated rate day by day.

647
00:38:59,492 --> 00:39:01,632
I work in IT. It changes every single day.

648
00:39:01,932 --> 00:39:04,652
That's the reason I have a job, because people don't know what's new, right?

649
00:39:05,392 --> 00:39:08,552
So we can't be thinking about what the technology is today and why it's okay today

650
00:39:08,892 --> 00:39:11,852
when you need to be thinking about why it's a problem in 5, 10, 15 years.

651
00:39:11,872 --> 00:39:14,612
Because in my opinion, it already is a problem.

652
00:39:14,632 --> 00:39:18,492
It's definitely going to be in 5, 10 years if we allow it to continue at this rate.

653
00:39:18,932 --> 00:39:20,792
Somebody earlier mentioned the Institute of Justice

654
00:39:22,932 --> 00:39:26,292
showing abuse of the system. Some people have thrown out some numbers.

655
00:39:26,332 --> 00:39:30,221
The current number of abuse cases on the IJ website is over

656
00:39:30,272 --> 00:39:32,281
100, and that's just within the last year.

657
00:39:32,972 --> 00:39:35,432
That's an insane number of abuse cases.

658
00:39:35,792 --> 00:39:38,622
This isn't just somebody stalking their partner.

659
00:39:38,672 --> 00:39:42,532
This is somebody under the color of authority of law that we have

660
00:39:42,572 --> 00:39:46,132
entrusted to them using a state-sponsored surveillance system

661
00:39:46,512 --> 00:39:49,212
to abuse people's constitutional rights. This is insane.

662
00:39:49,571 --> 00:39:53,052
Constitutional rights are supposed to be inalienable, and every time the system is

663
00:39:53,131 --> 00:39:57,032
accessed, those rights are stripped away from us and stomped on and spit on.

664
00:39:57,492 --> 00:40:00,992
And people lose their jobs over it. They might get arrested.

665
00:40:01,112 --> 00:40:03,332
There's plenty of cases where people don't get arrested across the country for

666
00:40:03,372 --> 00:40:04,592
this. It's ridiculous.

667
00:40:06,432 --> 00:40:07,572
Multiple people have mentioned these

668
00:40:08,552 --> 00:40:11,032
cameras at playgrounds. I'm not familiar with the specific playground that they're

669
00:40:11,052 --> 00:40:14,192
talking about, but I've seen plenty of these cameras, which are supposed to be

670
00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:17,382
license plate readers, pointed at the children play sets.

671
00:40:17,912 --> 00:40:21,732
Why is a license plate reader trying to record a child going down a slide?

672
00:40:22,592 --> 00:40:22,672
Yeah.

673
00:40:22,692 --> 00:40:26,492
We're in the day and age of the Epstein files. Who thought that that was okay?

674
00:40:27,432 --> 00:40:31,052
We're putting these devices, which are easily hackable. This is not speculation.

675
00:40:31,552 --> 00:40:33,452
I can give you some resources. Please ask me.

676
00:40:34,292 --> 00:40:38,222
404 Media has shown numerous instances of unidentified and unauthorized access of

677
00:40:38,252 --> 00:40:41,832
these systems in many cases, but particularly in places where children are

678
00:40:41,932 --> 00:40:45,792
at. Flock themselves cannot validate why these

679
00:40:45,812 --> 00:40:47,402
were being accessed where children are at.

680
00:40:47,812 --> 00:40:51,492
Why are we letting these systems continue in our community to promote

681
00:40:51,502 --> 00:40:55,372
this? We need to stop protecting children retroactively with cameras and

682
00:40:55,392 --> 00:40:59,032
start protecting them proactively by removing these cameras immediately.

683
00:41:01,132 --> 00:41:03,112
I have six seconds, so have a great evening, folks.

684
00:41:03,292 --> 00:41:03,612
Thank you.

685
00:41:12,492 --> 00:41:15,712
Yamina, and I'm not sure of the last name.

686
00:41:15,752 --> 00:41:17,012
It begins with an S.

687
00:41:18,852 --> 00:41:19,952
I apologize.

688
00:41:24,512 --> 00:41:26,412
Good evening. My name is Yamina Spiet.

689
00:41:28,112 --> 00:41:31,632
I created my little speech just as I walked in here, so

690
00:41:31,692 --> 00:41:32,752
forgive me.

691
00:41:33,972 --> 00:41:37,712
My name is Yamina. I came here to advocate for the removal of all flock

692
00:41:37,732 --> 00:41:38,152
cameras.

693
00:41:40,144 --> 00:41:44,044
I am no lawyer, but my background in tribal law allows me to

694
00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:46,604
understand the complexities of federal law.

695
00:41:47,704 --> 00:41:51,004
This complexity, frankly, does not exist in relation

696
00:41:51,084 --> 00:41:53,364
to our current surveillance state.

697
00:41:54,284 --> 00:41:57,584
Everyone here has demonstrated that this measure of surveillance is clearly a

698
00:41:57,624 --> 00:42:01,284
violation of our Fourth Amendment, and I will reiterate how

699
00:42:01,324 --> 00:42:02,584
blatantly obvious that is.

700
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:07,204
It has already been brought up the level of stalking and harassment that is used by

701
00:42:07,284 --> 00:42:09,224
officers in tracking women across the country.

702
00:42:10,084 --> 00:42:13,704
These cameras are also used to statistically target people of color.

703
00:42:14,804 --> 00:42:17,924
Regulation does not stop this. Removal does.

704
00:42:18,484 --> 00:42:21,624
And I should not have to be another voice in reminding that violence against

705
00:42:21,684 --> 00:42:25,264
women is only expanding with the birth of a surveillance state.

706
00:42:26,944 --> 00:42:28,384
And to Mr. Patel's point,

707
00:42:29,364 --> 00:42:30,784
why have this conversation

708
00:42:31,624 --> 00:42:33,944
if you are claiming you have no responsibility behind it?

709
00:42:36,044 --> 00:42:39,664
In hopes of connecting our culture to the current

710
00:42:39,704 --> 00:42:41,314
surveillance state with a little bit of dark humor,

711
00:42:42,384 --> 00:42:46,104
I remember I was scrolling through Instagram and came upon a funny post.

712
00:42:46,284 --> 00:42:50,264
It was a side-by-side comparison of Spider-Man from 2002

713
00:42:50,284 --> 00:42:54,094
to "Spider-Man: Brand New Day." A person commented that Spider-Man from

714
00:42:54,264 --> 00:42:58,244
2002 should have been caught with the amount of times he's walked around swinging

715
00:42:58,304 --> 00:42:59,484
webs without a mask.

716
00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:04,424
The difference is, that person had no idea what it was like to live in a

717
00:43:04,464 --> 00:43:06,584
world where there was no daily surveillance.

718
00:43:07,364 --> 00:43:11,324
Spider-Man's identity was safer then. We deserve to be as safe as Peter Parker.

719
00:43:11,924 --> 00:43:12,184
Thank you.

720
00:43:12,624 --> 00:43:13,044
Thank you.

721
00:43:19,164 --> 00:43:20,584
Trey McCoy.

722
00:43:25,384 --> 00:43:27,744
Hello.

723
00:43:29,124 --> 00:43:31,884
Hello, so many of you. I am here today. My name is Trey.

724
00:43:32,624 --> 00:43:34,544
I live at 889 Silversmith.

725
00:43:35,904 --> 00:43:39,684
I have been in this community for a long time, and it was shocking for

726
00:43:39,744 --> 00:43:43,134
me scrolling through Instagram, through cat videos,

727
00:43:43,744 --> 00:43:47,624
to find that flock cameras, that I have heard about so

728
00:43:47,664 --> 00:43:49,744
many times of being misused and

729
00:43:50,584 --> 00:43:51,204
abused

730
00:43:52,164 --> 00:43:55,404
to create a mass surveillance state, is being

731
00:43:55,444 --> 00:43:57,244
installed in our home.

732
00:43:58,084 --> 00:44:01,864
To drive by it myself, my heart starts to race

733
00:44:01,884 --> 00:44:05,144
because I don't know who's going to be reviewing that data.

734
00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:08,504
We don't know where this data's going. They say they delete this information.

735
00:44:08,944 --> 00:44:12,864
We have no assurances of that. We've known that AI,

736
00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:16,904
we keep seeing that AI is taking data, moving it to

737
00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:19,144
places, and storing it so it could be used.

738
00:44:19,544 --> 00:44:21,644
What's to keep it from being used to

739
00:44:23,704 --> 00:44:25,464
track us

740
00:44:26,744 --> 00:44:30,444
beyond what we can conceive? Because they could store that and use it 10,

741
00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:33,024
20, 30 years from now. We don't know the

742
00:44:33,064 --> 00:44:37,024
implications. There's no regulation on storing this data

743
00:44:37,034 --> 00:44:40,004
or deleting it. There's no consequences.

744
00:44:40,464 --> 00:44:42,244
There's no regulations.

745
00:44:43,884 --> 00:44:47,364
None of it's been approved. These cameras were

746
00:44:47,384 --> 00:44:51,244
installed in our homes and around our homes, and

747
00:44:51,724 --> 00:44:55,304
we didn't even know. I didn't know until Instagram told me, which is

748
00:44:55,584 --> 00:44:58,924
shocking. It's shocking that these things are going to start

749
00:45:00,224 --> 00:45:02,484
mass surveilling us with no warning.

750
00:45:03,584 --> 00:45:06,124
So, we've seen in the past,

751
00:45:07,064 --> 00:45:09,004
after 9/11, where they were

752
00:45:10,164 --> 00:45:11,344
targeting Muslims and

753
00:45:12,524 --> 00:45:15,584
surveilling where they were going in their businesses, their homes, their student

754
00:45:15,644 --> 00:45:19,464
groups, their mosques, and that ended up becoming a

755
00:45:19,544 --> 00:45:22,124
much bigger problem because of all the extra information.

756
00:45:22,604 --> 00:45:25,804
They were focusing on a group to find an answer.

757
00:45:25,944 --> 00:45:26,104
Now

758
00:45:26,924 --> 00:45:30,184
they have this information, they can just search until they find some sort of

759
00:45:30,204 --> 00:45:30,564
answer.

760
00:45:31,464 --> 00:45:33,724
We don't know where the data's going. I said that already.

761
00:45:34,684 --> 00:45:37,144
I'm afraid that we're losing our privacy.

762
00:45:37,884 --> 00:45:41,304
We can't drive without worrying about

763
00:45:41,904 --> 00:45:44,664
who's going to be tracking us, and that's concerning.

764
00:45:45,084 --> 00:45:45,224
So,

765
00:45:46,244 --> 00:45:47,784
hopefully I can compel you guys, and

766
00:45:48,744 --> 00:45:51,724
clearly many people here are here for the same two things.

767
00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:54,424
I'm at the library with my daughter every Thursday,

768
00:45:55,424 --> 00:45:55,794
and

769
00:45:56,624 --> 00:46:00,374
it's a place where she can be safe, where she can

770
00:46:00,804 --> 00:46:04,184
find a book that changes her

771
00:46:04,224 --> 00:46:08,104
relationship with the way she reads, and to be

772
00:46:08,114 --> 00:46:10,984
part of the community. That is so important.

773
00:46:12,084 --> 00:46:13,334
So, I think

774
00:46:14,264 --> 00:46:15,394
we all said that, but

775
00:46:16,264 --> 00:46:16,904
I think we all

776
00:46:18,824 --> 00:46:20,524
deserve to be heard. So, thank you, guys.

777
00:46:20,604 --> 00:46:20,904
Thank you.

778
00:46:27,464 --> 00:46:28,784
Taylor Dibble.

779
00:46:39,744 --> 00:46:40,224
Good evening.

780
00:46:42,764 --> 00:46:46,514
So I want to start by talking about our Fourth

781
00:46:46,564 --> 00:46:49,124
Amendment rights, because it's very important in this country.

782
00:46:49,164 --> 00:46:53,024
It's very important as a formative part of who

783
00:46:53,124 --> 00:46:57,104
we are and what we fought against to make this country

784
00:46:57,204 --> 00:47:00,244
what it is. We fought tyranny, and now

785
00:47:01,264 --> 00:47:04,884
we are giving it away to a new type of tyranny,

786
00:47:05,224 --> 00:47:08,764
to Flock. And it's not even the most reliable company in the world.

787
00:47:09,164 --> 00:47:10,764
But I want to talk about

788
00:47:11,764 --> 00:47:15,364
specifically in 2012 and in 2018

789
00:47:15,444 --> 00:47:19,184
again, the federal government, the Supreme Court

790
00:47:19,264 --> 00:47:22,844
unanimously decided that GPS logging through your

791
00:47:22,884 --> 00:47:26,504
cellphone or through a device placed upon your car was

792
00:47:26,564 --> 00:47:30,024
unconstitutional because of its ability to survey an

793
00:47:30,164 --> 00:47:32,424
individual's everyday schedule.

794
00:47:33,324 --> 00:47:34,344
That was their decision.

795
00:47:35,164 --> 00:47:35,424
And

796
00:47:36,324 --> 00:47:39,784
because they called that unconstitutional-

797
00:47:40,404 --> 00:47:43,704
I fail to see how this is any different.

798
00:47:44,044 --> 00:47:47,924
When somebody sitting in their cruiser can enter in your license plate or

799
00:47:48,004 --> 00:47:51,084
even a partial plate, even if they didn't even get your entire partial plate,

800
00:47:51,484 --> 00:47:55,024
and they know the make and model of your car or vaguely what it's colored,

801
00:47:55,544 --> 00:47:59,024
then they can put together your schedule

802
00:47:59,864 --> 00:48:03,684
and track you throughout your entire day and put together a comprehensive list,

803
00:48:03,764 --> 00:48:04,644
all without a warrant?

804
00:48:05,664 --> 00:48:07,224
Yep.

805
00:48:07,304 --> 00:48:11,044
It's ridiculous. And to expand on some of the things that other people who have

806
00:48:11,084 --> 00:48:13,304
come up here and talked about have said,

807
00:48:14,264 --> 00:48:18,224
this is not a reliable or safe company. Not at all.

808
00:48:19,424 --> 00:48:23,093
They have been given instructions from several cities to take down and

809
00:48:23,204 --> 00:48:24,984
cease all operations of their cameras.

810
00:48:25,024 --> 00:48:28,564
Not only have they refused to stop operating their cameras, but

811
00:48:28,584 --> 00:48:32,504
when in certain places in Chicago, when they have taken down

812
00:48:32,604 --> 00:48:36,404
cameras, Flock has come back out and put new ones in their

813
00:48:36,424 --> 00:48:38,744
place and continue to operate illegally.

814
00:48:39,244 --> 00:48:42,204
This is not a safe or a

815
00:48:42,244 --> 00:48:45,383
reliable company that we need to be

816
00:48:45,424 --> 00:48:48,044
entrusting our day-to-day lives with.

817
00:48:48,474 --> 00:48:48,704
And

818
00:48:50,204 --> 00:48:54,084
I don't know about you guys, I don't particularly like that somebody who does

819
00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:57,763
not know who I am can just look at me,

820
00:48:58,004 --> 00:49:01,884
find a car or a vehicle or anything that is associated with me,

821
00:49:02,204 --> 00:49:05,624
and find me like that, just because I was

822
00:49:05,944 --> 00:49:09,304
frequenting a certain place or I passed by the wrong camera.

823
00:49:11,124 --> 00:49:14,864
I'm sorry, but the only solution to

824
00:49:14,904 --> 00:49:18,644
reliably ensure that this system is not abused is to pull

825
00:49:18,964 --> 00:49:22,304
each and every Flock camera out of the ground.

826
00:49:23,684 --> 00:49:24,104
And

827
00:49:27,304 --> 00:49:29,144
everyone's been talking about the cameras at parks.

828
00:49:29,924 --> 00:49:33,654
Me and my sister went out to three different parks, and

829
00:49:33,864 --> 00:49:37,584
all of them had Axis cameras. I don't have much time to explain that,

830
00:49:37,864 --> 00:49:41,134
but look it up. It's the same thing. I'm done. Thank you.

831
00:49:41,134 --> 00:49:41,344
Thank you.

832
00:49:50,683 --> 00:49:51,804
Valerie Wirtz.

833
00:50:04,484 --> 00:50:07,664
Good evening. Valerie Wirtz, and I am at

834
00:50:07,804 --> 00:50:09,944
32701 for record.

835
00:50:10,984 --> 00:50:14,464
I want to talk about the disconnect that's happening right

836
00:50:14,504 --> 00:50:18,394
now. Two years ago, we all stood in front of you and we explained

837
00:50:18,424 --> 00:50:21,344
how important the library was to us. That was the people.

838
00:50:22,044 --> 00:50:24,534
The people came, told their elected people,

839
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:28,144
"Represent us correctly, protect our library."

840
00:50:29,364 --> 00:50:32,124
And here we are again, having the same conversation.

841
00:50:33,044 --> 00:50:36,664
Obviously, some people are retiring, but you guys have served so well.

842
00:50:37,404 --> 00:50:39,184
You've done a great job for our city.

843
00:50:39,684 --> 00:50:43,424
The things that you have created, we will be living with this legacy

844
00:50:43,464 --> 00:50:44,564
for years to come.

845
00:50:45,664 --> 00:50:48,824
We need our voices to be represented whenever we put you up here.

846
00:50:49,864 --> 00:50:53,764
We need to know that whenever we come to you and we say, "This is important to us

847
00:50:53,824 --> 00:50:56,204
as a community," that's your new priority.

848
00:50:57,344 --> 00:50:58,924
Nothing else comes up before that.

849
00:51:00,404 --> 00:51:02,264
Second of all, these Flock cameras,

850
00:51:04,404 --> 00:51:07,864
we have to stand apart. We have to stand apart from what is

851
00:51:07,924 --> 00:51:11,304
popular. We have to stand apart from what is moving.

852
00:51:12,164 --> 00:51:13,444
This is not progression.

853
00:51:14,664 --> 00:51:17,044
This is absolutely suppression,

854
00:51:18,144 --> 00:51:21,864
and we need to stand together with our elected to say,

855
00:51:21,964 --> 00:51:25,764
"Not here. Not in this little city, Altamonte Springs." We

856
00:51:25,824 --> 00:51:28,304
are too good. You guys have been too good.

857
00:51:29,424 --> 00:51:33,004
Don't allow it to happen here. Remove what is in place,

858
00:51:34,264 --> 00:51:35,464
and turn it back to the people.

859
00:51:36,804 --> 00:51:39,304
I appreciate each one of you, and I appreciate your service.

860
00:51:40,884 --> 00:51:42,984
Mayor, I especially appreciate you.

861
00:51:43,784 --> 00:51:47,264
Thank you so much for your many, many years of service for this

862
00:51:47,304 --> 00:51:47,784
community.

863
00:51:49,524 --> 00:51:51,944
Please, guys, take up the next helm

864
00:51:52,824 --> 00:51:53,284
correctly.

865
00:51:54,264 --> 00:51:54,984
Represent us.

866
00:51:55,864 --> 00:51:56,964
Take care of this community.

867
00:51:57,764 --> 00:51:58,223
Thank you.

868
00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:08,144
Eric Soto.

869
00:52:10,024 --> 00:52:10,344
Eric.

870
00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:20,524
I'm Eric Soto.

871
00:52:22,364 --> 00:52:22,884
I'm back.

872
00:52:24,404 --> 00:52:26,224
I was hoping to not have to come back.

873
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:30,804
I ran against Bob O'Malley because he was

874
00:52:30,844 --> 00:52:34,044
proposing a 29% increase in taxes

875
00:52:34,704 --> 00:52:38,624
to keep the library. The public came and said, "Hey,

876
00:52:39,084 --> 00:52:42,964
if you're going to get rid of the library, please do so responsibly.

877
00:52:43,044 --> 00:52:46,364
Have a plan in place. Let's find private

878
00:52:46,464 --> 00:52:49,264
partners to where we can actually keep the library open."

879
00:52:50,424 --> 00:52:51,164
And this panel,

880
00:52:52,184 --> 00:52:53,004
including Frank

881
00:52:53,864 --> 00:52:57,704
and all of the commissioners here, said, "This tax increase

882
00:52:57,864 --> 00:52:59,704
will save the library."

883
00:53:01,124 --> 00:53:03,524
It turns out that was not true.

884
00:53:04,964 --> 00:53:07,504
It is disappointing and disheartening.

885
00:53:09,004 --> 00:53:12,524
When I hear the reason why, it's because not enough

886
00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:16,514
people are using the library. It seems to me like

887
00:53:16,544 --> 00:53:19,324
plenty of people are using the library.

888
00:53:20,554 --> 00:53:24,304
There are current plans to try to change the deed on the

889
00:53:24,344 --> 00:53:27,084
library parcel so that you guys can sell it in the future.

890
00:53:29,944 --> 00:53:30,944
Why would you do that?

891
00:53:32,004 --> 00:53:35,594
Why not put it into a place that it can be sustained

892
00:53:36,144 --> 00:53:38,314
and used by the people in your community?

893
00:53:38,964 --> 00:53:42,824
That is very sad. I would like to thank Commissioner O'Malley.

894
00:53:42,904 --> 00:53:44,064
He has said that he will vote-

895
00:53:44,888 --> 00:53:48,068
against getting rid of the library. He said that on the news.

896
00:53:48,128 --> 00:53:49,408
I watched it, and that was a great thing.

897
00:53:49,768 --> 00:53:51,628
I haven't heard anything from the rest of you.

898
00:53:52,268 --> 00:53:54,878
I would love to hear that you're in support of the library.

899
00:53:55,248 --> 00:53:57,788
Would you like to, by show of hands, say who's in

900
00:53:59,288 --> 00:54:00,988
favor of saving the library, commissioners?

901
00:54:03,928 --> 00:54:06,318
Bob, you should raise your hand because you already said so publicly.

902
00:54:06,328 --> 00:54:06,648
I did.

903
00:54:06,988 --> 00:54:08,288
All right, so let's see your hand, Bob.

904
00:54:09,328 --> 00:54:13,188
All right. Would you guys like to say who would like to save the library?

905
00:54:14,558 --> 00:54:18,548
Perfect. That's a majority vote. You represent the

906
00:54:18,568 --> 00:54:22,548
majority of the populace. Now, I didn't even know we were going to talk about

907
00:54:22,648 --> 00:54:26,148
flock cameras today, but boy oh boy, do we have people from

908
00:54:26,348 --> 00:54:30,288
every walk of life letting you know that we don't want

909
00:54:30,308 --> 00:54:33,828
them in our city. So let's just do another little poll.

910
00:54:34,048 --> 00:54:36,008
Who would like the flock cameras to disappear?

911
00:54:37,588 --> 00:54:39,937
Hell yeah. Again, a majority. There you go.

912
00:54:39,988 --> 00:54:43,628
Seems to be the people that like the library. Interesting. They're readers.

913
00:54:44,448 --> 00:54:45,608
They've learned from history.

914
00:54:47,188 --> 00:54:49,888
Commissioners, who would like to get rid of the flock cameras?

915
00:54:50,228 --> 00:54:52,208
Now, let's not talk about who they are or anything.

916
00:54:52,348 --> 00:54:55,488
If you have the power, would you like to get rid of them? Let's show of hands.

917
00:54:55,508 --> 00:54:58,568
Who would like to do it? Okay. We're oh for five.

918
00:54:59,388 --> 00:55:03,328
These are the kind of things that really infuriate me

919
00:55:03,448 --> 00:55:06,588
as a citizen and cause me to leave my house.

920
00:55:06,648 --> 00:55:10,248
I have a six-week-old baby at home, and I had to come

921
00:55:10,288 --> 00:55:14,168
here to tell you how I feel, and I don't think it's going to make a difference

922
00:55:14,248 --> 00:55:16,467
because it didn't make a difference two years ago.

923
00:55:17,548 --> 00:55:19,388
Have a great day. Thank you very much.

924
00:55:32,168 --> 00:55:35,848
I'm thinking it's Aleta,

925
00:55:36,048 --> 00:55:37,808
but the last name is Anderson.

926
00:55:39,628 --> 00:55:40,168
I'm sorry.

927
00:55:40,408 --> 00:55:41,228
It's Allor.

928
00:55:43,258 --> 00:55:43,388
Okay.

929
00:55:43,428 --> 00:55:43,718
All right.

930
00:55:45,508 --> 00:55:48,868
Hello, my name is Allor Anderson. I'd like to not say my address.

931
00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:49,868
I'll do you one better, though.

932
00:55:49,908 --> 00:55:50,168
Okay.

933
00:55:50,688 --> 00:55:53,368
The police over there, they can track me by my license plate,

934
00:55:53,528 --> 00:55:55,327
75F-QBS.

935
00:55:57,968 --> 00:56:00,008
As you can imagine, I'm here to talk about flock.

936
00:56:00,588 --> 00:56:04,368
Obviously, I don't really feel comfortable with surveillance, but I'm a federal

937
00:56:04,428 --> 00:56:06,708
contractor. They already have all my information.

938
00:56:07,248 --> 00:56:11,208
They know when I clock in, when I clock out, and there is only one

939
00:56:11,308 --> 00:56:15,088
place in my drive where I'm not being tracked by a flock camera.

940
00:56:15,148 --> 00:56:16,328
Can you imagine where that is?

941
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:17,718
Try.

942
00:56:17,748 --> 00:56:18,588
Federal property.

943
00:56:24,328 --> 00:56:25,808
Flock is owned by a private company.

944
00:56:26,528 --> 00:56:30,318
I don't trust private companies with my information, and I was a

945
00:56:30,368 --> 00:56:34,068
little disheartened to hear that Altamonte Springs, you don't even have the

946
00:56:34,108 --> 00:56:35,148
contract.

947
00:56:36,508 --> 00:56:36,828
What?

948
00:56:36,868 --> 00:56:40,148
Why does the Department of Homeland Security have the contract?

949
00:56:40,388 --> 00:56:42,788
Why do we not have control?

950
00:56:42,948 --> 00:56:46,728
Nevertheless, I don't like a surveillance

951
00:56:46,788 --> 00:56:49,448
society. As a kid,

952
00:56:50,268 --> 00:56:54,208
I was a reader. I grew up, and I read "1984." It was a required

953
00:56:54,328 --> 00:56:55,628
book when I was in school.

954
00:56:55,968 --> 00:56:57,268
Whoo.

955
00:56:57,328 --> 00:56:58,408
That is now a banned book.

956
00:56:59,448 --> 00:57:03,268
And while I did not intend on speaking, nor did I know about the library

957
00:57:03,288 --> 00:57:03,608
issue,

958
00:57:04,588 --> 00:57:05,588
I want to speak on that.

959
00:57:07,348 --> 00:57:10,848
When schools have the right to ban books, you could go to a public

960
00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:14,708
library and you could read them. You have the right. We all have the right.

961
00:57:15,948 --> 00:57:19,848
I think we should be educated. If you take a look

962
00:57:19,868 --> 00:57:23,348
at Maitland, they're building a beautiful new library.

963
00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:24,828
I voted at

964
00:57:25,668 --> 00:57:28,428
Casselberry on Saturday. These are libraries.

965
00:57:28,508 --> 00:57:30,328
These are useful for our

966
00:57:32,088 --> 00:57:33,128
just society.

967
00:57:34,108 --> 00:57:37,718
And Winter Park, Maitland, Casselberry, I grew up in these

968
00:57:37,728 --> 00:57:38,388
libraries.

969
00:57:39,268 --> 00:57:42,348
They are important to me, just as not being

970
00:57:42,388 --> 00:57:46,368
surveillanced. I think we could do better, and I want to ask

971
00:57:46,628 --> 00:57:50,328
if anyone can provide an answer. If we do not have control

972
00:57:50,908 --> 00:57:54,128
over the flock cameras, and the Department of Homeland Security does,

973
00:57:55,248 --> 00:57:58,408
what can we do as the citizens of Altamonte Springs?

974
00:57:59,348 --> 00:58:02,588
How can we resolve this discomfort? Because clearly, we have it.

975
00:58:04,048 --> 00:58:04,508
So

976
00:58:05,388 --> 00:58:08,068
I did not intend to speak. This is my first city meeting.

977
00:58:08,788 --> 00:58:12,548
I'm happy to be here. So thank you guys for your time,

978
00:58:12,668 --> 00:58:13,748
and you have a great night.

979
00:58:22,368 --> 00:58:24,508
Christian Segarra.

980
00:58:31,748 --> 00:58:33,248
Hello, my name is Christian Segarra.

981
00:58:33,448 --> 00:58:37,128
I came all the way from Oviedo to talk about this just because I don't live here,

982
00:58:37,188 --> 00:58:41,148
doesn't mean I'm not concerned about my fellow citizens who are a 20-minute

983
00:58:41,188 --> 00:58:43,468
drive from me. Plus, I'm over here all the time anyways.

984
00:58:44,788 --> 00:58:48,528
Flock Safety executive used the cameras to access

985
00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,988
live footage of a children's gymnastic class in

986
00:58:52,568 --> 00:58:53,548
Dunwoody, Georgia.

987
00:58:54,728 --> 00:58:57,468
I thought these were just for reading license plates, but

988
00:58:58,948 --> 00:59:02,608
the independent journalist, Ben Jordan, was able to access the stored

989
00:59:02,748 --> 00:59:06,708
footage for Flock Security from a search on a Chromium browser.

990
00:59:07,048 --> 00:59:09,948
So think like Google or Brave or any normal browser.

991
00:59:11,048 --> 00:59:13,608
As a student completing the psychology

992
00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:18,808
degree, Bachelor of Science at UCF this semester, I know

993
00:59:18,868 --> 00:59:22,408
that being in constant observation has an

994
00:59:22,448 --> 00:59:25,188
effect on the well-being of people and citizens.

995
00:59:25,508 --> 00:59:28,648
And also just being a human, being watched doesn't feel nice.

996
00:59:30,268 --> 00:59:33,968
If you listen to my words alone, you wouldn't be able to tell my party affiliation.

997
00:59:34,028 --> 00:59:35,788
This isn't a partisan issue. Thank

998
00:59:35,868 --> 00:59:38,468
you.

999
00:59:45,768 --> 00:59:47,508
H. Alexander Duncan

1000
00:59:51,516 --> 00:59:53,636
But you were gone, because I didn't see your hat.

1001
00:59:53,876 --> 00:59:57,556
Oh, I know. I just went out there to listen to the PA. I was all stuffy.

1002
00:59:58,876 --> 01:00:00,756
All right, good. I'm H. Alexander Duncan.

1003
01:00:01,176 --> 01:00:03,916
I just want to say a couple of things real fast and try to get through it.

1004
01:00:04,336 --> 01:00:08,016
I'm definitely against flock cams. I definitely want you guys to save the library.

1005
01:00:08,136 --> 01:00:11,566
I think both of them go back to political scare tactics.

1006
01:00:11,616 --> 01:00:15,416
You guys have a budget for the police of $124 million.

1007
01:00:15,556 --> 01:00:15,736
Yes.

1008
01:00:16,796 --> 01:00:20,466
The Seminole County Sheriff Office has a budget of $203 million.

1009
01:00:20,536 --> 01:00:24,425
Sanford has $85 million, and they're much larger than you guys in

1010
01:00:24,456 --> 01:00:28,216
both area and population. So just between the two largest cities in the

1011
01:00:28,276 --> 01:00:32,036
county, we're pumping almost half a billion dollars a year into

1012
01:00:32,076 --> 01:00:33,636
public safety. Let's be for real.

1013
01:00:34,616 --> 01:00:35,476
Let's just be honest.

1014
01:00:35,516 --> 01:00:36,056
Yep.

1015
01:00:36,756 --> 01:00:40,256
So scare tactics. "Oh my God, if we get rid of property

1016
01:00:40,356 --> 01:00:44,256
taxes, we can't have a library. Oh my God." Listen, man, you got

1017
01:00:45,176 --> 01:00:49,076
Perdue Farms and these big companies like FPL that pay less per

1018
01:00:49,176 --> 01:00:52,716
capita in property taxes than the average citizen, and they own thousands of

1019
01:00:52,796 --> 01:00:55,776
acres. So the scare tactics have to stop.

1020
01:00:55,836 --> 01:00:59,636
Another thing I just want to remind the audience about is this is listed at number

1021
01:00:59,756 --> 01:01:03,456
three on the agenda. The reason you guys get away with a lot of stuff is because

1022
01:01:03,596 --> 01:01:06,756
after they're done with number three, you guys make all the decisions of four

1023
01:01:06,816 --> 01:01:08,956
through 10 with an empty chamber.

1024
01:01:10,416 --> 01:01:14,316
So we just want to point that out. A lot of stuff gets handled on consent

1025
01:01:14,376 --> 01:01:18,216
agendas, so the public don't really get to see it unless they go through it online

1026
01:01:18,236 --> 01:01:21,636
or through a portal, all this. So if we're talking about accountability,

1027
01:01:21,736 --> 01:01:24,596
transparency, and accessibility, it starts with you guys.

1028
01:01:25,056 --> 01:01:28,836
The first thing is, if these guys vote everybody out, maybe the next

1029
01:01:28,896 --> 01:01:31,236
set will change. If they don't change, vote them out.

1030
01:01:31,276 --> 01:01:33,936
We get to do it, what, every four years, right?

1031
01:01:34,656 --> 01:01:35,846
So at the end of the day,

1032
01:01:37,116 --> 01:01:40,916
we watched a lady in Winter Springs a couple years ago, a year ago, get kidnapped

1033
01:01:40,956 --> 01:01:42,776
right in front of multiple flock cameras.

1034
01:01:43,076 --> 01:01:47,056
Then get her body put in a car and burnt up. The flock cameras didn't save her.

1035
01:01:47,796 --> 01:01:51,756
Okay? Flock cameras capture our license plates, they capture our phone data,

1036
01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:55,096
and they capture a lot of stuff that a lot of people in here haven't even mentioned

1037
01:01:55,116 --> 01:01:57,996
tonight. So really what it is, is an invisible drag net.

1038
01:01:58,096 --> 01:02:02,016
It's like the stingrays that the police ride around with, as well your police

1039
01:02:02,056 --> 01:02:04,676
make on an average, like 77 grand a year.

1040
01:02:04,726 --> 01:02:07,396
They're some of the highest-paid officers in the state. I looked it up.

1041
01:02:07,856 --> 01:02:11,376
So, I really don't know how much money you guys need in Altamonte to go to the

1042
01:02:11,436 --> 01:02:15,396
police. I think the library takes, what, $250,000 a year

1043
01:02:15,436 --> 01:02:19,016
or something? Now, I'm pretty sure out of $124 million

1044
01:02:19,376 --> 01:02:23,316
for public safety, we can keep a library. Thank you.

1045
01:02:23,766 --> 01:02:23,916
Woo.

1046
01:02:36,276 --> 01:02:40,136
Thank you all. That's all the cards I have, so we will go into our

1047
01:02:40,176 --> 01:02:43,026
next item, and you all are more than welcome to stay-

1048
01:02:43,116 --> 01:02:43,445
Yeah. You don't have to leave

1049
01:02:43,445 --> 01:02:46,716
... for our entire meeting. We never kick anybody out.

1050
01:02:47,176 --> 01:02:47,376
So

1051
01:02:48,336 --> 01:02:49,736
he was wrong about that.

1052
01:02:50,896 --> 01:02:53,176
And we also have, at the end of our meeting,

1053
01:02:54,196 --> 01:02:56,976
another informal communication from the floor.

1054
01:02:57,836 --> 01:02:59,496
So I am going to move on.

1055
01:03:00,316 --> 01:03:02,176
Franklin addressed it this time.

1056
01:03:03,396 --> 01:03:04,916
No. All right.

1057
01:03:04,956 --> 01:03:05,076
So,

1058
01:03:07,696 --> 01:03:09,376
first of all, thank you all for coming tonight.

1059
01:03:10,316 --> 01:03:10,596
And

1060
01:03:11,876 --> 01:03:15,816
many of you had some really, really credible things to say and really

1061
01:03:15,876 --> 01:03:19,276
appreciate the impact, and the impact it's had on me.

1062
01:03:19,576 --> 01:03:20,536
Took a ton of notes.

1063
01:03:22,036 --> 01:03:24,316
On the cameras, just to clear up a few things.

1064
01:03:25,576 --> 01:03:25,756
We

1065
01:03:26,756 --> 01:03:28,496
do control the contract.

1066
01:03:29,656 --> 01:03:33,076
All of the cameras and all that, we don't pay any subscriptions.

1067
01:03:33,696 --> 01:03:37,676
The cameras were funded by a federal

1068
01:03:37,736 --> 01:03:40,176
grant. The federal government paid for that, we didn't.

1069
01:03:40,216 --> 01:03:42,795
I'm just saying, we have not spent any of our money on that.

1070
01:03:44,436 --> 01:03:47,976
There are six. There was the group of law enforcement

1071
01:03:48,036 --> 01:03:50,936
agencies in Central Florida that did it. We were a part of that.

1072
01:03:51,616 --> 01:03:55,416
There are six that are out.

1073
01:03:56,016 --> 01:03:59,766
The rest are not ours. They, I think, are the Seminole County Sheriff's

1074
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:00,216
Office.

1075
01:04:02,256 --> 01:04:04,216
But a lot of comments were made.

1076
01:04:06,276 --> 01:04:10,196
I think what's the best next step for us is for

1077
01:04:10,476 --> 01:04:11,816
Chief Nicholas, who I know

1078
01:04:12,855 --> 01:04:13,496
is here.

1079
01:04:15,316 --> 01:04:19,016
Yeah, Chief Nicholas is here. He and I will get together and listen to this and go

1080
01:04:19,056 --> 01:04:23,036
through it, and rather than just recall what everyone said, we'll go

1081
01:04:23,116 --> 01:04:26,096
through the audio and write down

1082
01:04:27,716 --> 01:04:31,576
what was said so we can address it. What is real, what is not, what is true, what

1083
01:04:31,596 --> 01:04:33,156
is not. There is a

1084
01:04:34,856 --> 01:04:35,916
Fourth Amendment case that

1085
01:04:36,416 --> 01:04:40,206
is moving through appeals right now called

1086
01:04:40,216 --> 01:04:44,036
Schmidt versus City of Norfolk. They had 170

1087
01:04:44,136 --> 01:04:44,576
cameras.

1088
01:04:45,456 --> 01:04:47,756
In that case, it was actually found constitutional.

1089
01:04:48,356 --> 01:04:52,296
It has been appealed, and we follow the law, so

1090
01:04:53,176 --> 01:04:56,416
as the appeal process moves forward, we will continue watching that.

1091
01:04:56,896 --> 01:04:59,816
There were a couple of things that were said about the technologies.

1092
01:05:01,696 --> 01:05:05,406
And some were things that I want to make sure that I

1093
01:05:05,456 --> 01:05:08,736
understand, understand what was said, understand what the capabilities are.

1094
01:05:08,776 --> 01:05:12,336
We don't have any facial recognition here at the city at all.

1095
01:05:13,616 --> 01:05:16,516
There were a couple of comments made about no regulation, no

1096
01:05:16,556 --> 01:05:20,436
consequences. We are the highest-ranked police department in the

1097
01:05:20,496 --> 01:05:23,376
state of Florida. It's called an Excelsior agency.

1098
01:05:23,476 --> 01:05:25,436
We've had that designation five times.

1099
01:05:26,056 --> 01:05:29,716
And one of the reasons is because we have protocols and procedures for virtually

1100
01:05:29,776 --> 01:05:33,376
everything. So I will tell you, as a

1101
01:05:33,436 --> 01:05:36,136
citizen of the United States, it

1102
01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:39,576
really, it makes me unhappy when

1103
01:05:40,896 --> 01:05:44,696
people in whom we give a great deal of trust, we entrust them with

1104
01:05:45,376 --> 01:05:49,206
5,700-pound vehicle, a nine millimeter, the ability

1105
01:05:49,296 --> 01:05:52,166
to suspend your civil liberties, and when they break the rules,

1106
01:05:52,556 --> 01:05:56,096
that is abhorrent. The people it's most

1107
01:05:56,136 --> 01:05:59,696
important to, abhorrent to, are the people who work at our

1108
01:05:59,776 --> 01:06:00,166
agency

1109
01:06:00,984 --> 01:06:04,204
We've had no abuse. We audit everything.

1110
01:06:04,464 --> 01:06:08,324
We make sure that there's an investigation that's tied to any search at

1111
01:06:08,384 --> 01:06:08,584
all.

1112
01:06:10,344 --> 01:06:12,164
I don't know what other agencies do.

1113
01:06:12,384 --> 01:06:15,144
They may not do the audits the way we do.

1114
01:06:15,204 --> 01:06:17,604
They may say they do the audits and don't.

1115
01:06:18,204 --> 01:06:22,174
The reason why we get an Excelsior accreditation is because there's an independent

1116
01:06:22,244 --> 01:06:25,984
police group that comes in, and they make you show them the

1117
01:06:26,084 --> 01:06:29,824
audits. You actually have to produce the pieces of paper

1118
01:06:29,884 --> 01:06:31,324
that has the audit on it.

1119
01:06:32,744 --> 01:06:36,684
Because one of the things that we did is we wanted to control

1120
01:06:36,704 --> 01:06:40,344
the contract so no one could sell the data and no one could sell the pictures.

1121
01:06:40,864 --> 01:06:44,704
So now, some people said some questions

1122
01:06:44,744 --> 01:06:47,404
about whether or not they're being moved to other places.

1123
01:06:47,444 --> 01:06:49,254
It's a good thing to look into, and we will.

1124
01:06:50,444 --> 01:06:54,304
But what I think is best to do is for Chief Nicholas and I to go

1125
01:06:54,384 --> 01:06:57,824
through all of this information and bring you back a briefing

1126
01:06:57,924 --> 01:07:01,904
about really what is out there that is in

1127
01:07:01,964 --> 01:07:05,504
Altamonte Springs that are part of the UWASI grant,

1128
01:07:06,364 --> 01:07:07,784
what they do, what they don't do,

1129
01:07:08,924 --> 01:07:11,184
what the pictures look like, what they don't

1130
01:07:12,124 --> 01:07:14,404
look like, and give you

1131
01:07:16,404 --> 01:07:20,184
a pretty good overview, obviously, of what the protocols are

1132
01:07:20,264 --> 01:07:23,744
so you can see them, so you can see the accountability that our police

1133
01:07:23,804 --> 01:07:27,724
department applies to the trust that we give

1134
01:07:27,764 --> 01:07:31,464
our officers. So we're very proud of the people who work here.

1135
01:07:32,084 --> 01:07:34,924
We're very proud of the safety that they provide.

1136
01:07:34,964 --> 01:07:37,884
It really was great to hear people talk about how they did feel safe here.

1137
01:07:38,404 --> 01:07:42,204
As a city, understand people are not feeling comfortable with the cameras.

1138
01:07:43,484 --> 01:07:44,944
But I think it would be best to bring back,

1139
01:07:45,764 --> 01:07:49,344
answer all the things that were said, and

1140
01:07:50,444 --> 01:07:52,384
then that's all public record, so

1141
01:07:53,244 --> 01:07:55,184
everybody can have a copy of

1142
01:07:56,064 --> 01:07:57,804
what that briefing looks like. So

1143
01:07:58,644 --> 01:08:02,334
this is my name,

1144
01:08:04,604 --> 01:08:08,064
and there's an email box on our website.

1145
01:08:08,124 --> 01:08:11,404
If you'd like to send an email in, we'll have your email.

1146
01:08:11,654 --> 01:08:13,944
We'll send you the briefing document so that you see it.

1147
01:08:15,184 --> 01:08:16,384
I hope that's good with everybody.

1148
01:08:17,684 --> 01:08:18,905
But we do appreciate

1149
01:08:21,025 --> 01:08:23,344
there's a lot of conversation about it, for sure.

1150
01:08:23,864 --> 01:08:25,044
Sometimes technology,

1151
01:08:27,784 --> 01:08:29,824
without being fully explained,

1152
01:08:31,204 --> 01:08:33,284
sometimes people see things that are on the internet.

1153
01:08:33,655 --> 01:08:37,624
I watched some of it, and I just went, "That's not true. That's not true.

1154
01:08:37,684 --> 01:08:38,804
That's not true. That's not true."

1155
01:08:40,025 --> 01:08:43,833
But, the best way to deal with that is to hear the question,

1156
01:08:43,945 --> 01:08:47,684
hear what you have to say, and answer it, and verify it with

1157
01:08:47,824 --> 01:08:51,804
the data that we can tell you where we got the

1158
01:08:51,884 --> 01:08:55,025
answer from, and you can go look for yourself to verify.

1159
01:08:55,695 --> 01:08:58,184
I hope that sounds good for everyone.

1160
01:08:58,244 --> 01:08:58,324
Yeah.

1161
01:08:58,624 --> 01:08:59,874
I just want to add,

1162
01:09:01,044 --> 01:09:04,924
because I heard more than one person say we, the commission,

1163
01:09:05,344 --> 01:09:07,744
should never have voted for those flock cameras.

1164
01:09:08,164 --> 01:09:10,324
We don't vote for equipment.

1165
01:09:11,405 --> 01:09:14,945
And I will speak for myself personally, I didn't even know what a flock

1166
01:09:15,044 --> 01:09:15,985
camera was

1167
01:09:16,884 --> 01:09:17,434
until

1168
01:09:19,184 --> 01:09:23,094
Frank Martz told me that you concerned citizens were coming

1169
01:09:23,124 --> 01:09:26,065
today to talk about it, and I had to do some research.

1170
01:09:26,724 --> 01:09:28,105
Thank you for coming,

1171
01:09:28,985 --> 01:09:32,485
for me. I'm speaking for me alone. Thank you for coming and

1172
01:09:32,544 --> 01:09:33,364
educating me

1173
01:09:34,184 --> 01:09:37,894
and voicing your concerns, because I agree with everything you're

1174
01:09:37,964 --> 01:09:38,364
saying.

1175
01:09:39,424 --> 01:09:41,644
I want the facts, though, just like you do.

1176
01:09:41,684 --> 01:09:45,644
I don't know anything about the company, but it does sound scary

1177
01:09:45,704 --> 01:09:46,044
to me.

1178
01:09:47,124 --> 01:09:51,065
But I wanted you to know, as commissioners, we don't vote on

1179
01:09:51,124 --> 01:09:54,244
every piece of equipment that is used in our departments,

1180
01:09:55,124 --> 01:09:56,564
especially for the police.

1181
01:09:56,824 --> 01:09:56,924
Good.

1182
01:09:57,764 --> 01:10:01,444
And one additional thing that I'll add, I'll make sure that we also

1183
01:10:01,524 --> 01:10:01,784
do,

1184
01:10:02,724 --> 01:10:06,424
when we prepare the briefing, is I'll speak with the sheriff and

1185
01:10:06,464 --> 01:10:08,704
understand what their technology is as well.

1186
01:10:11,184 --> 01:10:11,724
So we'll do that.

1187
01:10:14,404 --> 01:10:14,784
Thank you.

1188
01:10:17,123 --> 01:10:20,084
All right. Item four is a public hearing.

1189
01:10:20,123 --> 01:10:22,154
First reading of ordinance number

1190
01:10:22,743 --> 01:10:26,544
1845-26, amending the land

1191
01:10:26,604 --> 01:10:30,424
development code to clarify procedures for projects

1192
01:10:30,564 --> 01:10:33,864
involving conditional letters of map revision.

1193
01:10:34,384 --> 01:10:38,144
This is a public hearing. Is there anyone in chambers to address the commission on

1194
01:10:38,184 --> 01:10:38,844
this item?

1195
01:10:42,644 --> 01:10:42,784
No?

1196
01:10:43,644 --> 01:10:44,464
Yes, sir. Come up.

1197
01:10:44,704 --> 01:10:45,294
This is back on the-

1198
01:10:45,364 --> 01:10:49,004
No, you need to come up here please, sir, and give us your

1199
01:10:49,084 --> 01:10:52,364
name and address, please.

1200
01:10:52,464 --> 01:10:52,474
No.

1201
01:10:53,784 --> 01:10:54,124
Thank you.

1202
01:10:54,184 --> 01:10:57,904
Hi, my name is Socker. This is back on the previous item, but

1203
01:10:58,544 --> 01:11:02,424
is the contract for the flock, do we have, is that available

1204
01:11:02,464 --> 01:11:03,004
online somewhere?

1205
01:11:03,014 --> 01:11:03,314
We moved on.

1206
01:11:03,344 --> 01:11:04,084
Yeah, we're in the middle-

1207
01:11:04,124 --> 01:11:04,424
Sorry

1208
01:11:04,464 --> 01:11:05,624
... of a public hearing on another item.

1209
01:11:05,844 --> 01:11:06,584
I'm sorry.

1210
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:08,924
But at the end of the meeting, we do have another public meeting.

1211
01:11:08,964 --> 01:11:09,104
Yeah.

1212
01:11:11,164 --> 01:11:11,444
All right.

1213
01:11:13,144 --> 01:11:17,124
If there's no comments on this, I will close the public hearing and

1214
01:11:17,204 --> 01:11:20,064
ask our attorney to read the title for the record, please.

1215
01:11:20,664 --> 01:11:24,614
Ordinance number 1845-26, an ordinance of the

1216
01:11:24,684 --> 01:11:28,524
city of Altamonte Springs, Florida, relating to the floodplain management,

1217
01:11:29,044 --> 01:11:32,854
amending chapter 28, land development code of the Altamonte Springs code of

1218
01:11:32,854 --> 01:11:36,814
ordinances, by amending article 12, floodplain management,

1219
01:11:37,344 --> 01:11:40,374
by amending division one, general provisions, by amending section

1220
01:11:40,464 --> 01:11:44,004
12.1.15, definitions, to revise

1221
01:11:44,024 --> 01:11:47,634
definitions relating to conditional letters of map revisions and

1222
01:11:47,664 --> 01:11:51,584
conditional letters of map revisions based on fill, by amending division

1223
01:11:51,664 --> 01:11:55,584
four, site development plans and construction documents, by amending section

1224
01:11:55,624 --> 01:11:59,364
12.4.2, site plan conditions of approval, to

1225
01:11:59,424 --> 01:12:02,624
revise the requirements for projects involving letters of map change,

1226
01:12:03,004 --> 01:12:06,844
providing for a business impact estimate, providing for conflict, severability,

1227
01:12:07,264 --> 01:12:10,954
codification, correction of scrivener's errors, and for an effective date

1228
01:12:12,832 --> 01:12:14,752
I move that we approve ordinance number

1229
01:12:14,762 --> 01:12:18,712
1845-26 on first reading and

1230
01:12:18,752 --> 01:12:22,002
set second reading for October 7, 2026.

1231
01:12:22,312 --> 01:12:22,612
Second.

1232
01:12:23,392 --> 01:12:26,592
We have a motion and a second. Roll call vote, please.

1233
01:12:26,892 --> 01:12:27,772
Commissioner O'Malley?

1234
01:12:27,872 --> 01:12:28,132
Yes.

1235
01:12:28,492 --> 01:12:29,292
Commissioner Reese?

1236
01:12:29,392 --> 01:12:29,632
Yes.

1237
01:12:29,932 --> 01:12:30,672
Commissioner Turney?

1238
01:12:30,912 --> 01:12:31,202
Yeah. Yes.

1239
01:12:31,452 --> 01:12:32,392
Commissioner Brunsching?

1240
01:12:32,572 --> 01:12:32,792
Yes.

1241
01:12:32,972 --> 01:12:33,992
Mayor Bates? Yes.

1242
01:12:36,652 --> 01:12:40,191
Item five is a public hearing, Resolution

1243
01:12:40,392 --> 01:12:42,692
1484, FY

1244
01:12:43,012 --> 01:12:46,392
2025/26 budget amendment.

1245
01:12:47,322 --> 01:12:51,232
This is a public hearing. Is there anyone in chambers to address the commission on

1246
01:12:51,292 --> 01:12:52,052
this item?

1247
01:12:54,272 --> 01:12:57,652
Hearing none, I will close the public hearing and ask for commission

1248
01:12:57,712 --> 01:12:59,352
discussion or a motion.

1249
01:13:00,572 --> 01:13:03,452
I move that we approve Resolution 1484.

1250
01:13:04,792 --> 01:13:05,192
Second.

1251
01:13:05,732 --> 01:13:08,452
We have a motion and a second. Roll call vote, please.

1252
01:13:09,092 --> 01:13:09,932
Commissioner O'Malley?

1253
01:13:10,072 --> 01:13:10,452
Yes.

1254
01:13:10,532 --> 01:13:11,392
Commissioner Reese?

1255
01:13:11,492 --> 01:13:11,752
Yes.

1256
01:13:11,852 --> 01:13:12,612
Commissioner Turney?

1257
01:13:12,932 --> 01:13:13,252
Yes.

1258
01:13:13,312 --> 01:13:14,152
Commissioner Brunsching?

1259
01:13:14,412 --> 01:13:14,592
Yes.

1260
01:13:14,792 --> 01:13:16,652
Mayor Bates? Yes.

1261
01:13:18,332 --> 01:13:22,172
Item six is a request for approval amendment

1262
01:13:22,182 --> 01:13:26,052
to the Emergency Watershed Protection Hurricane Milton

1263
01:13:26,292 --> 01:13:27,772
assistance grant.

1264
01:13:31,752 --> 01:13:35,392
I move that we authorize the mayor to sign the Emergency Watershed

1265
01:13:35,472 --> 01:13:39,102
Protection Grant amendment for additional funding from the United States

1266
01:13:39,112 --> 01:13:43,012
Department of Agricultural Natural Resources Conservation

1267
01:13:43,132 --> 01:13:43,612
Service.

1268
01:13:44,232 --> 01:13:44,592
Second.

1269
01:13:45,332 --> 01:13:49,192
We have a motion and a second. All those in favor indicate by saying aye.

1270
01:13:49,972 --> 01:13:50,512
Aye.

1271
01:13:51,072 --> 01:13:51,082
Aye.

1272
01:13:51,082 --> 01:13:51,082
Aye.

1273
01:13:51,092 --> 01:13:54,292
Opposed, like sign. Passes unanimously.

1274
01:13:55,872 --> 01:13:58,332
Item seven is a request for approval.

1275
01:13:58,932 --> 01:14:00,532
Seminole County Public Schools

1276
01:14:00,772 --> 01:14:04,752
2026/2027 school resource

1277
01:14:04,952 --> 01:14:06,392
officer agreement.

1278
01:14:08,212 --> 01:14:11,192
Move to approve the agreement with the Seminole County School Board to provide

1279
01:14:11,252 --> 01:14:14,922
school resource officers to public schools located in Altamonte Springs and

1280
01:14:15,072 --> 01:14:17,022
authorize the mayor to execute same.

1281
01:14:17,472 --> 01:14:17,792
Second.

1282
01:14:18,392 --> 01:14:21,821
We have a motion and a second. All those in favor indicate by saying

1283
01:14:21,872 --> 01:14:22,771
aye.

1284
01:14:23,192 --> 01:14:23,242
Aye.

1285
01:14:23,242 --> 01:14:23,952
Aye.

1286
01:14:23,962 --> 01:14:23,962
Aye.

1287
01:14:24,012 --> 01:14:24,932
Opposed, like sign.

1288
01:14:26,052 --> 01:14:29,712
Passes unanimously. Item eight is a

1289
01:14:29,752 --> 01:14:31,022
request for approval,

1290
01:14:32,672 --> 01:14:36,052
fine reduction 924, West State Road

1291
01:14:36,072 --> 01:14:39,612
436, Lido International Corporation

1292
01:14:39,872 --> 01:14:40,392
Limited.

1293
01:14:43,272 --> 01:14:46,272
And their attorney has advised us that they support this.

1294
01:14:47,032 --> 01:14:47,892
Oh, okay. Good.

1295
01:14:48,812 --> 01:14:49,421
Yeah.

1296
01:14:49,512 --> 01:14:49,722
All right.

1297
01:14:50,572 --> 01:14:52,512
I move that we reduce the fine to

1298
01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:56,352
$48,201.79 if

1299
01:14:56,412 --> 01:15:00,132
paid within 90 days. If the reduced fine is not paid within

1300
01:15:00,332 --> 01:15:02,652
90 days, the fine will revert to

1301
01:15:02,672 --> 01:15:07,312
$143,800.

1302
01:15:08,712 --> 01:15:09,252
Yes, ma'am.

1303
01:15:11,692 --> 01:15:12,572
I need a second.

1304
01:15:14,812 --> 01:15:15,172
Second.

1305
01:15:17,252 --> 01:15:18,192
Any discussion?

1306
01:15:20,032 --> 01:15:22,012
All those in favor indicate by saying aye.

1307
01:15:22,921 --> 01:15:22,921
Aye.

1308
01:15:22,992 --> 01:15:23,412
Aye.

1309
01:15:23,452 --> 01:15:23,652
Aye.

1310
01:15:24,232 --> 01:15:27,092
Opposed, like sign. Passes unanimously.

1311
01:15:27,932 --> 01:15:30,312
Discussion item is number nine,

1312
01:15:31,872 --> 01:15:34,692
appointment of citizen board and committee members.

1313
01:15:39,252 --> 01:15:42,732
Yeah, Mayor. For BZA, for my appointment, I'd like to appoint

1314
01:15:42,992 --> 01:15:46,492
Axel David. He's a neighbor that lives near me. I saw him.

1315
01:15:47,892 --> 01:15:48,412
Hey, Axel.

1316
01:15:49,432 --> 01:15:49,492
A

1317
01:15:50,472 --> 01:15:53,912
neighbor very involved with community issues, and I'd like to appoint him to BZA.

1318
01:15:56,732 --> 01:16:00,512
And I would like to reappoint Venus Robinson to a full term

1319
01:16:01,392 --> 01:16:02,812
on the Board of Zoning Appeals.

1320
01:16:03,812 --> 01:16:04,152
Thank you.

1321
01:16:05,172 --> 01:16:07,312
Thank you to those who have said yes.

1322
01:16:08,112 --> 01:16:09,292
We appreciate it.

1323
01:16:10,272 --> 01:16:13,892
All right. Item 10 is finance items.

1324
01:16:14,032 --> 01:16:17,632
We have four tonight. Item A is solicitation

1325
01:16:17,692 --> 01:16:21,572
award to Amplex Tampa LLC, doing

1326
01:16:21,672 --> 01:16:24,832
business as Amplex Site One Landscape

1327
01:16:25,532 --> 01:16:28,472
Supply LLC and Spring Hill Nursery

1328
01:16:28,532 --> 01:16:31,632
Incorporated for nursery plants and products,

1329
01:16:32,152 --> 01:16:37,132
ITB-26-085-KY.

1330
01:16:37,812 --> 01:16:41,152
Item B is solicitation award to Rotolo

1331
01:16:41,952 --> 01:16:45,742
Consultants Incorporated, Brightview Landscape Services

1332
01:16:45,812 --> 01:16:49,632
Incorporated, and Helping Hand Lawn Care LLC for

1333
01:16:49,652 --> 01:16:51,772
landscape maintenance services,

1334
01:16:52,232 --> 01:16:57,072
ITB-26-051-KY.

1335
01:16:57,522 --> 01:17:01,412
Item C is solicitation award to AGAS

1336
01:17:01,852 --> 01:17:05,592
MFG Incorporated, Timothy J.

1337
01:17:05,792 --> 01:17:09,292
O'Donnell Corporation, doing business as

1338
01:17:09,372 --> 01:17:13,092
O'Donnell Corporation, Gallagher Promotional Products

1339
01:17:13,172 --> 01:17:16,912
Incorporated, doing business as GPP,

1340
01:17:16,992 --> 01:17:20,612
and Quick Advertising Incorporated, doing business

1341
01:17:20,772 --> 01:17:24,342
as Fast Signs of Apopka for banners and

1342
01:17:24,472 --> 01:17:24,922
signs,

1343
01:17:25,452 --> 01:17:30,772
ITB-26-072-KY.

1344
01:17:31,392 --> 01:17:35,332
And item D is employee health insurance for

1345
01:17:35,432 --> 01:17:37,772
fiscal year 2027.

1346
01:17:38,892 --> 01:17:42,652
I move that we approve finance items A, B, C, and D.

1347
01:17:45,492 --> 01:17:45,772
Second.

1348
01:17:46,472 --> 01:17:49,672
We have a motion and a second. All those in favor indicate by saying

1349
01:17:49,772 --> 01:17:50,652
aye.

1350
01:17:50,692 --> 01:17:50,702
Aye.

1351
01:17:50,702 --> 01:17:50,702
Aye.

1352
01:17:50,732 --> 01:17:51,732
Aye.

1353
01:17:51,792 --> 01:17:54,692
Opposed, like sign. Passes unanimously.

1354
01:17:55,032 --> 01:17:58,912
That ends our formal agenda. Is there anyone in chambers to address the

1355
01:17:58,952 --> 01:18:01,212
commission on any item at all?

1356
01:18:03,712 --> 01:18:05,032
Hearing... Yes, sir.

1357
01:18:12,032 --> 01:18:15,352
Hi. I was just back for clarification on, is that contract available

1358
01:18:15,412 --> 01:18:17,672
online for us citizens to look at it?

1359
01:18:19,236 --> 01:18:20,836
They're all available for public

1360
01:18:21,756 --> 01:18:24,776
records. If you'd like to have my card, you can email, and I'm happy to get it to

1361
01:18:24,796 --> 01:18:24,896
you.

1362
01:18:25,696 --> 01:18:26,456
Okay. Excellent. Thank you.

1363
01:18:26,496 --> 01:18:26,716
Yes, sir.

1364
01:18:26,736 --> 01:18:27,136
Thank you.

1365
01:18:29,536 --> 01:18:30,376
All right.

1366
01:18:30,696 --> 01:18:31,496
I just have one other-

1367
01:18:32,296 --> 01:18:32,776
Yes, ma'am.

1368
01:18:41,236 --> 01:18:44,976
Jude Stevens, 32714. I just had a

1369
01:18:45,036 --> 01:18:48,956
couple of questions for Mr. Martz on what he

1370
01:18:49,016 --> 01:18:50,876
said about the flock cameras,

1371
01:18:52,396 --> 01:18:55,596
and you referenced a court case that said

1372
01:18:56,896 --> 01:18:58,636
that they were constitutional or...

1373
01:18:58,996 --> 01:19:00,576
Yes, ma'am. Schmidt... I'm sorry.

1374
01:19:01,196 --> 01:19:01,316
Um-

1375
01:19:01,796 --> 01:19:05,696
Schmidt versus the City of Norfolk, whereas if

1376
01:19:05,716 --> 01:19:07,176
you're from Virginia, it's Norfolk.

1377
01:19:08,316 --> 01:19:08,616
Mm-hmm.

1378
01:19:12,656 --> 01:19:16,236
My personal opinion on that is just because it's

1379
01:19:16,276 --> 01:19:18,516
constitutional doesn't make it right.

1380
01:19:23,326 --> 01:19:23,656
And

1381
01:19:25,296 --> 01:19:29,156
on the abuse and the auditing, while I can

1382
01:19:29,196 --> 01:19:32,576
really truly appreciate the checks and

1383
01:19:32,596 --> 01:19:34,296
balances that the city

1384
01:19:35,476 --> 01:19:39,356
has in place, and it's probably a lot better than

1385
01:19:39,616 --> 01:19:42,026
90% of the other cities that are out there from what I can tell.

1386
01:19:42,026 --> 01:19:43,176
Oh, 100% better?

1387
01:19:43,536 --> 01:19:45,236
100% of 100%.

1388
01:19:46,336 --> 01:19:48,036
Just because there hasn't been abuse

1389
01:19:49,036 --> 01:19:50,876
doesn't mean that there won't be abuse

1390
01:19:51,716 --> 01:19:54,736
as we move forward and the technology moves forward.

1391
01:19:56,456 --> 01:19:56,856
And,

1392
01:19:58,956 --> 01:20:02,516
with the report and the

1393
01:20:02,576 --> 01:20:03,176
briefing,

1394
01:20:05,976 --> 01:20:09,856
will the briefing be in a public forum

1395
01:20:09,916 --> 01:20:10,546
like this?

1396
01:20:11,916 --> 01:20:15,586
Yes, ma'am. It'll be here, yeah.

1397
01:20:15,676 --> 01:20:15,956
Okay.

1398
01:20:17,956 --> 01:20:18,656
Thank you very much.

1399
01:20:19,056 --> 01:20:21,046
Could I also have a card?

1400
01:20:21,076 --> 01:20:22,436
Oh, yes, of course.

1401
01:20:25,236 --> 01:20:27,835
Does anyone else wish to speak? Yes, sir.

1402
01:20:29,055 --> 01:20:29,516
There you go.

1403
01:20:30,176 --> 01:20:30,206
Thank you, sir.

1404
01:20:30,206 --> 01:20:30,696
Yes, ma'am.

1405
01:20:37,716 --> 01:20:38,216
Greg Salva.

1406
01:20:39,196 --> 01:20:41,676
You said the contract is available for public record.

1407
01:20:41,696 --> 01:20:45,526
Can we get those audit logs and the third-party reviews of those audit logs as

1408
01:20:45,526 --> 01:20:45,526
public record?

1409
01:20:45,536 --> 01:20:49,076
Yeah. We can release whatever is a public record.

1410
01:20:49,716 --> 01:20:51,706
Whatever... Are the audits public record?

1411
01:20:52,016 --> 01:20:54,046
Yeah, so long as they're not involved in a-

1412
01:20:54,096 --> 01:20:54,986
Current ongoing investigation.

1413
01:20:55,056 --> 01:20:56,796
Yeah, I think so. Is that correct?

1414
01:20:56,806 --> 01:20:58,036
So, Commissioner Price, you're not going to submit-

1415
01:20:58,096 --> 01:20:58,216
Yeah

1416
01:20:58,226 --> 01:20:59,266
... exemptions of 119?

1417
01:20:59,796 --> 01:21:01,896
You don't even have to do that email. I'll forward it to you.

1418
01:21:01,956 --> 01:21:02,276
Love that.

1419
01:21:02,696 --> 01:21:02,776
Yeah.

1420
01:21:03,956 --> 01:21:07,696
Second, like she said, just because a court rules it constitutional, if it goes

1421
01:21:07,756 --> 01:21:11,596
against the will of the people, then what good is

1422
01:21:11,636 --> 01:21:14,196
it? If the people don't want it, it should be taken out.

1423
01:21:16,076 --> 01:21:18,176
I have one more thing I wanted to say.

1424
01:21:19,076 --> 01:21:19,196
Oh,

1425
01:21:20,196 --> 01:21:23,276
history is filled with men and women that were just doing their jobs.

1426
01:21:23,916 --> 01:21:27,886
I hope that we will go above and beyond that to do what the people want and

1427
01:21:27,936 --> 01:21:31,816
to bring about the will of the people, whether or not a court has ruled it

1428
01:21:31,836 --> 01:21:35,226
constitutional or not, or whether or not your personal convictions say that it's

1429
01:21:35,276 --> 01:21:39,176
okay. Whatever. Please go above and beyond, as many

1430
01:21:39,196 --> 01:21:41,276
people have attested that you already do. Thank you.

1431
01:21:41,596 --> 01:21:41,976
Thank you.

1432
01:21:48,876 --> 01:21:51,196
Good evening. I'm Axel David at 617 Newport Avenue.

1433
01:21:51,836 --> 01:21:53,456
First I want to thank you, Commissioner Malach, for the appointment.

1434
01:21:53,476 --> 01:21:55,636
I appreciate that. Hope not to let you guys down.

1435
01:21:55,736 --> 01:21:58,516
I do want to say something really quick that hasn't been said thus far.

1436
01:21:58,536 --> 01:22:02,156
I'll make it very brief. I know this is a very long meeting in the terms of city

1437
01:22:02,196 --> 01:22:03,496
commission history here.

1438
01:22:04,516 --> 01:22:06,316
One thing that I am, of course,

1439
01:22:07,256 --> 01:22:10,496
very much in objection to the flock cameras, no matter how few there are.

1440
01:22:11,536 --> 01:22:14,036
One thing that needs to be taken into consideration, what this board should take

1441
01:22:14,056 --> 01:22:17,696
into consideration, is these draw a massive wedge of

1442
01:22:17,776 --> 01:22:21,536
distrust between the community and the police department, and that's my concern

1443
01:22:21,546 --> 01:22:24,986
when you look at this. These flock cameras are massively unpopular, left, right,

1444
01:22:25,096 --> 01:22:28,476
center, however you look at it. You look across, like that gentleman said, all

1445
01:22:28,516 --> 01:22:32,116
walks of life are against this, myself included. Do they have some good things?

1446
01:22:32,236 --> 01:22:35,785
Yeah. But you've got to look at that balance there. But when Mr.

1447
01:22:35,996 --> 01:22:39,916
Martz has that briefing with the chief of police and Sheriff Lama, I hope

1448
01:22:39,936 --> 01:22:43,926
he takes into consideration the impact this has on the community and the level

1449
01:22:43,956 --> 01:22:47,786
of trust. And I don't want to see that level of trust eroded between the city of

1450
01:22:47,796 --> 01:22:49,516
Baltimore Springs and the police department.

1451
01:22:49,656 --> 01:22:52,456
We have great officers, great leadership, and that's something that needs to be

1452
01:22:52,476 --> 01:22:54,776
taken into consideration when this is being discussed. Thank you so much.

1453
01:22:55,036 --> 01:22:55,316
Hear, hear.

1454
01:22:55,336 --> 01:22:55,596
Thank you.

1455
01:22:59,716 --> 01:23:01,856
Anything else?

1456
01:23:01,956 --> 01:23:02,096
Yeah.

1457
01:23:04,476 --> 01:23:04,916
Hello.

1458
01:23:06,676 --> 01:23:09,596
My name's Paula Hamilton, and hopefully I can be brief.

1459
01:23:10,136 --> 01:23:11,746
I'm sorry. Could you repeat your name?

1460
01:23:12,136 --> 01:23:13,356
My name's Paula Hamilton.

1461
01:23:14,676 --> 01:23:17,336
In any event, I think thank you,

1462
01:23:18,656 --> 01:23:22,336
city manager for explaining, from your viewpoint, some of the things

1463
01:23:22,816 --> 01:23:26,116
that you understand concerning the contract and

1464
01:23:26,236 --> 01:23:29,096
concerning things revolving around the cameras.

1465
01:23:29,636 --> 01:23:33,336
I do think, and that's going back to what the gentleman just said, that in

1466
01:23:33,516 --> 01:23:37,216
2026, we have more than a responsibility of what we're

1467
01:23:37,296 --> 01:23:41,196
told or what the illusion of control that we feel

1468
01:23:41,276 --> 01:23:45,056
we have when it comes to privacy matters and technology

1469
01:23:45,156 --> 01:23:48,216
in 2026. We've seen enough data breaches.

1470
01:23:48,516 --> 01:23:51,396
We've seen enough abuse of power, right?

1471
01:23:51,676 --> 01:23:55,476
And just so much consistent expansion,

1472
01:23:55,636 --> 01:23:59,596
for example, of what AI can do, for us to

1473
01:23:59,676 --> 01:24:03,376
just comfortably say, "Well, we have control,"

1474
01:24:03,696 --> 01:24:07,256
without exploring that in depth and making

1475
01:24:07,376 --> 01:24:11,176
sure that's the truth. It's not enough to come

1476
01:24:11,216 --> 01:24:14,766
before your residents and say, "Yes, we assumed

1477
01:24:14,856 --> 01:24:18,336
control of the contracts," not knowing what's going on.

1478
01:24:18,856 --> 01:24:22,836
Because you have so many different companies, technology companies, VPN

1479
01:24:22,876 --> 01:24:23,976
companies, for example-

1480
01:24:24,956 --> 01:24:28,916
Or companies that have antivirus software that many

1481
01:24:29,016 --> 01:24:32,876
people have used, where we had the perception of

1482
01:24:32,956 --> 01:24:36,756
safety because they told us they are protecting us

1483
01:24:36,816 --> 01:24:40,676
from scams, from viruses, only for us to then find

1484
01:24:40,776 --> 01:24:43,636
out that those very people were selling our

1485
01:24:43,696 --> 01:24:46,496
information. And so that's why I say you have a

1486
01:24:46,536 --> 01:24:50,486
responsibility beyond thinking, "Oh, we have a control of the

1487
01:24:50,576 --> 01:24:54,016
contract." At this point, you were not even aware to some

1488
01:24:54,056 --> 01:24:57,736
extent that there were more cameras than you thought

1489
01:24:58,156 --> 01:25:01,636
was there. So there has to be more consistent conversation

1490
01:25:02,056 --> 01:25:05,956
prompted, initiated by you before we

1491
01:25:06,036 --> 01:25:09,996
have to come and express that to you, whether that be opening this

1492
01:25:10,116 --> 01:25:13,856
up for the floor to find out what's going on out there, what your residents are

1493
01:25:13,956 --> 01:25:17,216
seeing. But technology is such at this

1494
01:25:17,276 --> 01:25:20,916
point where you cannot be complacent and be

1495
01:25:21,476 --> 01:25:25,436
satisfied, I would say, with, "I have control,"

1496
01:25:25,916 --> 01:25:29,766
and this illusion of control and this illusion of what

1497
01:25:29,795 --> 01:25:33,196
we're told this contract means. What's in

1498
01:25:33,256 --> 01:25:36,546
writing and what's technologically available and

1499
01:25:36,676 --> 01:25:40,396
possible at this point do not always

1500
01:25:40,756 --> 01:25:43,076
coexist in the same place.

1501
01:25:43,396 --> 01:25:43,536
Mm-hmm.

1502
01:25:43,676 --> 01:25:44,936
That's just the reality.

1503
01:25:45,856 --> 01:25:49,836
Yeah. Excellent points. I want to let you know that none of

1504
01:25:49,896 --> 01:25:52,666
this is a surprise. I know where they are, and I'm

1505
01:25:53,536 --> 01:25:56,956
under no illusion that there's not technology

1506
01:25:57,036 --> 01:26:00,996
functioning technology. So I'm aware of what the contract says.

1507
01:26:01,056 --> 01:26:01,636
Yeah.

1508
01:26:01,716 --> 01:26:05,056
And I'm also aware of how technology can fail.

1509
01:26:05,596 --> 01:26:07,696
So all of those things we are aware of,

1510
01:26:08,896 --> 01:26:09,126
but we-

1511
01:26:09,156 --> 01:26:11,516
Respectfully, sir, Mr. City Manager.

1512
01:26:11,676 --> 01:26:11,976
Yes, ma'am.

1513
01:26:12,476 --> 01:26:14,316
It's not that you're not aware, then.

1514
01:26:14,696 --> 01:26:18,156
What you don't realize is in an attempt to pacify us

1515
01:26:18,216 --> 01:26:22,016
tonight and to put our minds at ease, the way you

1516
01:26:22,036 --> 01:26:25,976
phrased it to us when you then responded

1517
01:26:26,016 --> 01:26:29,756
to the feedbacks that were given, would leave people with that

1518
01:26:29,816 --> 01:26:33,475
illusion and impression that you were confident

1519
01:26:33,736 --> 01:26:37,256
that we had control and that the data is

1520
01:26:37,265 --> 01:26:41,236
secure and safe. So in addition to whatever knowledge

1521
01:26:41,356 --> 01:26:45,236
you have, you also have to be careful and

1522
01:26:46,356 --> 01:26:50,236
aware of what you're communicating to us as residents, while at the same

1523
01:26:50,276 --> 01:26:51,706
time not really knowing.

1524
01:26:52,796 --> 01:26:53,396
So

1525
01:26:54,696 --> 01:26:57,396
I think you make an excellent point.

1526
01:26:57,806 --> 01:27:01,516
I know as much as I can through the contract.

1527
01:27:01,636 --> 01:27:05,516
I don't know what's happening in another building, and I think that's your point.

1528
01:27:06,696 --> 01:27:07,536
So, and I appreciate that.

1529
01:27:07,556 --> 01:27:09,636
And then yes, and we would like transparency,

1530
01:27:10,636 --> 01:27:11,496
accountability,

1531
01:27:12,316 --> 01:27:16,036
and going forward to say, "This is what I know.

1532
01:27:16,096 --> 01:27:19,656
I do not know if this is sufficient." And that

1533
01:27:19,736 --> 01:27:23,216
conveys to us something beyond, and I

1534
01:27:23,976 --> 01:27:27,356
appreciate your hopefulness and the way you expressed it was

1535
01:27:27,376 --> 01:27:30,676
amazing. But at this stage in

1536
01:27:30,876 --> 01:27:34,526
2026, that gloss over is not

1537
01:27:34,556 --> 01:27:38,456
enough and not substantive enough, especially for those

1538
01:27:38,496 --> 01:27:42,036
of us who are aware of technology, whether we're

1539
01:27:42,056 --> 01:27:45,756
coders, whatever we may be, that are fully invested

1540
01:27:46,236 --> 01:27:49,016
in where technology is going for good or worse.

1541
01:27:49,596 --> 01:27:50,476
All good points.

1542
01:27:51,076 --> 01:27:52,286
Okay.

1543
01:27:59,456 --> 01:28:01,075
Is there... Yes, sir.

1544
01:28:05,036 --> 01:28:08,476
Hi, my name is Ben Barusi. I'm actually a resident of Longwood,

1545
01:28:08,916 --> 01:28:12,696
but the flock cameras, I live near a whole bunch of them,

1546
01:28:13,656 --> 01:28:16,936
and I think the greatest issue we're having is that

1547
01:28:17,656 --> 01:28:19,276
we weren't really told or informed.

1548
01:28:19,356 --> 01:28:23,136
They just appeared one day, and I know that the commission is not responsible for

1549
01:28:23,176 --> 01:28:25,156
the equipment the police have or anything like that.

1550
01:28:25,236 --> 01:28:29,116
But it's a little bit of a different piece of equipment

1551
01:28:29,156 --> 01:28:33,096
than, "Oh, they got new trucks. They got new vehicles," than, "Okay,

1552
01:28:33,156 --> 01:28:36,716
we put up all these cameras all over Altamonte, and we're kind of using them and

1553
01:28:36,756 --> 01:28:38,216
trying to figure it out." It's a little more

1554
01:28:39,116 --> 01:28:41,576
serious than just, "Okay, they got a new piece of equipment."

1555
01:28:42,416 --> 01:28:46,375
It's a little more takes the freedom away, and then just seeing them appear

1556
01:28:46,476 --> 01:28:50,336
one day can be scary for a lot of people here, just knowing that they're there.

1557
01:28:50,376 --> 01:28:53,926
When you see the stories on the news about them being abused and all of that, and

1558
01:28:54,176 --> 01:28:56,676
like you said, that some of us don't even know what they are.

1559
01:28:56,756 --> 01:28:59,896
And to see brand new things that we've never seen before.

1560
01:28:59,926 --> 01:29:02,556
Honestly, I don't even see them. I'm sorry.

1561
01:29:02,656 --> 01:29:06,586
Maybe it's my age, but I'm just looking at the road and the traffic and making

1562
01:29:06,596 --> 01:29:08,016
sure I'm not hitting anybody.

1563
01:29:08,476 --> 01:29:10,056
I purposely didn't.

1564
01:29:10,116 --> 01:29:13,866
I'm not kidding you. I really don't know anything

1565
01:29:13,976 --> 01:29:17,816
about them, and you guys have really educated me, believe me.

1566
01:29:17,856 --> 01:29:21,776
And that's part of our thing is that we're very concerned because they just went

1567
01:29:21,836 --> 01:29:25,686
up without any of our knowledge, and there's several around the Altamonte

1568
01:29:25,686 --> 01:29:29,156
Mall. I drive by there, go to Crane's Roost all the time, and they weren't there

1569
01:29:29,236 --> 01:29:31,876
one day, and then there's six around that specific area now.

1570
01:29:31,886 --> 01:29:32,616
I will look now, though.

1571
01:29:33,896 --> 01:29:37,356
And I know most of them are under Seminole County, like you said

1572
01:29:37,676 --> 01:29:39,176
beautifully. But there is

1573
01:29:40,196 --> 01:29:43,816
a feeling of disconnect when something appears in our city that we're not used to,

1574
01:29:44,016 --> 01:29:47,876
and especially something so inherent American as our privacy.

1575
01:29:48,336 --> 01:29:51,556
We heard about people saying that they're used to seeing it on TV in other

1576
01:29:51,596 --> 01:29:55,376
countries. Never imagined it would happen here, and that's part of the reason, is

1577
01:29:55,396 --> 01:29:57,056
it just appears one day, and it's scary.

1578
01:29:57,536 --> 01:30:00,836
And I think that's a lot of the fear that we're feeling. Thank you for your time.

1579
01:30:01,176 --> 01:30:01,676
Thank you.

1580
01:30:08,216 --> 01:30:08,516
Thank you.

1581
01:30:08,526 --> 01:30:09,736
I'd like to ask a question.

1582
01:30:10,296 --> 01:30:11,316
Sure.

1583
01:30:11,356 --> 01:30:15,076
My name is Mark Perkins. I live over by Eastmont Park

1584
01:30:15,576 --> 01:30:17,256
and right behind the library.

1585
01:30:18,756 --> 01:30:22,396
I'm confused why the library is a discussion

1586
01:30:22,436 --> 01:30:22,836
again.

1587
01:30:26,688 --> 01:30:30,528
Can you explain to me like I'm five why this is a budget issue

1588
01:30:30,608 --> 01:30:30,968
again?

1589
01:30:31,988 --> 01:30:35,428
Why we're coming up short on the budget?

1590
01:30:35,608 --> 01:30:37,028
I don't understand

1591
01:30:38,448 --> 01:30:42,228
when we're putting artificial fields in at Eastmont Park,

1592
01:30:44,168 --> 01:30:44,608
and

1593
01:30:46,588 --> 01:30:50,388
it's a baseball complex now. It's not a city

1594
01:30:50,448 --> 01:30:53,868
park. There's no green space for people to throw a

1595
01:30:53,928 --> 01:30:55,468
Frisbee or do anything.

1596
01:30:59,148 --> 01:31:02,408
Can someone please tell me why the library is up for

1597
01:31:02,448 --> 01:31:03,228
discussion?

1598
01:31:04,828 --> 01:31:08,448
So our public hearing on the budget is on September

1599
01:31:08,548 --> 01:31:12,528
3rd, and I'm going to transmit the budget to

1600
01:31:12,588 --> 01:31:14,408
the city commission by the end of the week.

1601
01:31:15,108 --> 01:31:18,208
So there will be an explanation in that,

1602
01:31:18,928 --> 01:31:20,068
that's very detailed.

1603
01:31:21,308 --> 01:31:23,108
And that'll be, you said September 3rd?

1604
01:31:23,408 --> 01:31:26,528
September 3rd. Yeah, we have two public hearings in September.

1605
01:31:27,328 --> 01:31:31,268
The first one on the budget is on September 3rd, right here at 7 o'clock.

1606
01:31:32,067 --> 01:31:32,348
Okay.

1607
01:31:34,548 --> 01:31:35,648
I appreciate your time.

1608
01:31:36,028 --> 01:31:36,928
Yes. Yes, sir.

1609
01:31:39,308 --> 01:31:40,408
It doesn't seem right

1610
01:31:41,248 --> 01:31:43,508
that it's the library.

1611
01:31:44,668 --> 01:31:47,118
What are you going to do with the books if you take it down on the library?

1612
01:31:47,128 --> 01:31:47,968
Are you going to burn them?

1613
01:31:51,248 --> 01:31:53,828
And we're turning into a surveillance state.

1614
01:31:54,968 --> 01:31:58,448
Is this a reflection on cops that they can't do their jobs now?

1615
01:31:58,548 --> 01:31:59,968
They don't do good police work

1616
01:32:01,928 --> 01:32:03,028
to find

1617
01:32:04,388 --> 01:32:05,108
the criminals?

1618
01:32:06,308 --> 01:32:08,448
They have to track everyday citizens now?

1619
01:32:11,108 --> 01:32:11,808
What are we doing?

1620
01:32:13,388 --> 01:32:14,388
Thank you for your time.

1621
01:32:15,048 --> 01:32:15,808
Bob, thank you.

1622
01:32:20,928 --> 01:32:20,938
Now-

1623
01:32:20,948 --> 01:32:23,528
I'd like to follow up with that.

1624
01:32:25,928 --> 01:32:29,848
Mr. City Manager, I have to object to your answer.

1625
01:32:30,268 --> 01:32:30,528
Which?

1626
01:32:30,968 --> 01:32:32,228
To the answer about the budget.

1627
01:32:32,408 --> 01:32:32,748
Okay.

1628
01:32:32,828 --> 01:32:36,608
Because you have already publicly

1629
01:32:36,668 --> 01:32:38,688
announced the closing of the library.

1630
01:32:38,918 --> 01:32:42,368
It's a fair question why the library's being closed.

1631
01:32:42,488 --> 01:32:46,338
Yes, there are maybe details of the budget which you're not ready to talk

1632
01:32:46,388 --> 01:32:49,388
about. That's fair. But I don't think that was exactly-

1633
01:32:49,768 --> 01:32:49,908
Okay

1634
01:32:49,928 --> 01:32:50,848
... what he was getting at.

1635
01:32:50,858 --> 01:32:50,858
Okay.

1636
01:32:50,948 --> 01:32:52,518
So I would appreciate if you would-

1637
01:32:52,708 --> 01:32:53,428
Absolutely

1638
01:32:53,468 --> 01:32:57,368
... please explain to everyone, including me, why we're talking about the

1639
01:32:57,408 --> 01:32:58,348
closing of the library.

1640
01:32:58,468 --> 01:32:59,868
Absolutely. It's a good point.

1641
01:33:02,208 --> 01:33:06,097
As we were preparing the budget this year and going through or when

1642
01:33:06,128 --> 01:33:08,068
we started preparing the budget two years ago,

1643
01:33:10,168 --> 01:33:13,738
I recommended taking the library out of the

1644
01:33:13,808 --> 01:33:16,728
budget because of shortfalls in funding.

1645
01:33:17,698 --> 01:33:20,308
We were experiencing a lot of inflation and cost increases.

1646
01:33:20,668 --> 01:33:23,908
There were also, and primarily,

1647
01:33:24,848 --> 01:33:27,388
needs in the police department to stabilize our police department.

1648
01:33:27,548 --> 01:33:31,347
We were having officer retention issues, and people were looking for other

1649
01:33:31,388 --> 01:33:33,208
jobs. We were having issues with insurance.

1650
01:33:33,888 --> 01:33:37,628
Insurance costs were going up. Other places have cheaper

1651
01:33:37,648 --> 01:33:41,628
insurance than we had at the time, so we had a difficult time

1652
01:33:41,668 --> 01:33:43,907
keeping some of our younger officers in particular.

1653
01:33:44,848 --> 01:33:47,968
So I presented a budget in 2024.

1654
01:33:49,048 --> 01:33:52,628
It did not have any of those law enforcement costs or

1655
01:33:52,728 --> 01:33:55,388
library or the number of other things in it.

1656
01:33:56,428 --> 01:34:00,408
There were people in

1657
01:34:00,428 --> 01:34:03,458
the community who were upset about the removal of the library from that

1658
01:34:03,488 --> 01:34:04,508
budget.

1659
01:34:05,408 --> 01:34:08,948
There was a special meeting called by Commissioner O'Malley to

1660
01:34:08,988 --> 01:34:11,048
discuss the things that were not in the budget.

1661
01:34:12,688 --> 01:34:16,208
Primarily, the thing that brought the issue ahead was the

1662
01:34:16,668 --> 01:34:17,048
library.

1663
01:34:17,868 --> 01:34:19,468
And the city commission

1664
01:34:20,648 --> 01:34:23,108
provided enough funding to stabilize the police department,

1665
01:34:25,648 --> 01:34:29,438
and the officer retention, and

1666
01:34:29,488 --> 01:34:32,108
to bring the library back into the budget for the

1667
01:34:32,248 --> 01:34:36,118
2024-2025 budget year. And

1668
01:34:36,628 --> 01:34:37,988
it was sufficient for that budget year.

1669
01:34:38,688 --> 01:34:42,238
We do budgets one year at a time. The next year,

1670
01:34:43,048 --> 01:34:43,947
which would be

1671
01:34:45,788 --> 01:34:49,688
our '24-'25 budget. That

1672
01:34:49,728 --> 01:34:50,788
was the '23-'24.

1673
01:34:52,748 --> 01:34:56,608
There were shortfalls again, and we had been pumping a good deal of

1674
01:34:56,668 --> 01:35:00,148
money into the library, doing our best to raise awareness

1675
01:35:00,328 --> 01:35:02,168
for people to use it better.

1676
01:35:04,728 --> 01:35:05,428
At the time,

1677
01:35:06,408 --> 01:35:06,948
the

1678
01:35:07,908 --> 01:35:11,748
visitors were still pretty flat, and wasn't seeing a

1679
01:35:11,788 --> 01:35:12,648
growth in the

1680
01:35:14,008 --> 01:35:16,628
number of people who were using it, and the budget was going up.

1681
01:35:17,408 --> 01:35:18,688
So at the time,

1682
01:35:19,868 --> 01:35:21,428
I decided that we would cut

1683
01:35:22,348 --> 01:35:24,468
about 10% of our budget in other places.

1684
01:35:24,568 --> 01:35:27,788
We laid off six people, about six positions,

1685
01:35:28,548 --> 01:35:32,468
and we said, "Let's give the library another year to see if

1686
01:35:32,488 --> 01:35:33,848
it can generate

1687
01:35:34,648 --> 01:35:37,298
just more traffic, just more people using it for the cost."

1688
01:35:38,228 --> 01:35:40,568
This year, the projected cost of the

1689
01:35:41,568 --> 01:35:44,608
library would be, all in, it's about $750,000.

1690
01:35:45,568 --> 01:35:45,928
And

1691
01:35:47,368 --> 01:35:51,228
as I put the budget together, what I have to do is I

1692
01:35:51,268 --> 01:35:54,388
have to balance a lot of things. There's 47,000 people in the city,

1693
01:35:55,208 --> 01:35:55,628
and

1694
01:35:57,388 --> 01:35:59,548
I need to deliver a balanced budget to the city commission,

1695
01:36:00,648 --> 01:36:02,848
one that makes economic sense, and

1696
01:36:03,968 --> 01:36:05,168
of course, community sense.

1697
01:36:06,028 --> 01:36:09,728
And as I started looking at the data related to

1698
01:36:09,828 --> 01:36:10,248
the

1699
01:36:11,708 --> 01:36:13,988
library, and I appreciate Commissioner Turning's point.

1700
01:36:15,308 --> 01:36:15,728
The

1701
01:36:16,448 --> 01:36:19,988
visitors remained

1702
01:36:20,048 --> 01:36:22,688
flat. The costs were going up.

1703
01:36:23,548 --> 01:36:27,368
The number of participants per program was trending

1704
01:36:27,378 --> 01:36:27,738
down.

1705
01:36:28,548 --> 01:36:32,098
The number of the books were trending down year after year,

1706
01:36:32,848 --> 01:36:35,928
so they did a little bit of a hump. There was a rise in digital

1707
01:36:36,598 --> 01:36:36,998
And

1708
01:36:39,038 --> 01:36:39,778
there is

1709
01:36:41,538 --> 01:36:44,638
a completely different economic condition that is present right now than was

1710
01:36:44,778 --> 01:36:47,058
present two years ago. We had a war,

1711
01:36:47,978 --> 01:36:50,258
or have a war. I don't mean to use past tense.

1712
01:36:51,058 --> 01:36:54,438
There's inflation, supply chain

1713
01:36:54,478 --> 01:36:58,238
issues that have driven up costs. And while

1714
01:36:58,298 --> 01:37:02,038
CPI, we don't buy loaves of bread, we don't buy gallons of

1715
01:37:02,078 --> 01:37:04,138
milk. We don't buy household goods.

1716
01:37:04,778 --> 01:37:08,478
We buy things that are made out of petroleum. We buy concrete and steel.

1717
01:37:08,558 --> 01:37:12,218
We buy pine wood. We buy materials

1718
01:37:12,298 --> 01:37:12,618
that

1719
01:37:13,758 --> 01:37:15,698
are made from petroleum products and the like.

1720
01:37:16,058 --> 01:37:19,918
Plus, healthcare has expanded 21%, and this

1721
01:37:19,978 --> 01:37:22,948
year's estimate was 29% on top of last year's 21%.

1722
01:37:23,998 --> 01:37:27,898
So the law enforcement budget, there was a gentleman here earlier who said

1723
01:37:27,938 --> 01:37:30,938
our law enforcement budget was $124 million.

1724
01:37:31,458 --> 01:37:32,938
Our whole budget's not that big.

1725
01:37:34,838 --> 01:37:38,518
Our whole budget is 122. 122. Yes.

1726
01:37:38,838 --> 01:37:41,098
And- You misspoke ... the law

1727
01:37:43,038 --> 01:37:45,318
enforcement- We know. Yeah ... budget is 22 million,

1728
01:37:46,298 --> 01:37:50,258
and that is 100% of all the property taxes we collect here in

1729
01:37:50,298 --> 01:37:53,818
the city from not just residents, but businesses.

1730
01:37:54,758 --> 01:37:55,098
So,

1731
01:37:56,038 --> 01:37:58,328
in fact, the law enforcement budget is

1732
01:37:58,338 --> 01:38:02,158
100.33% of the total property

1733
01:38:02,258 --> 01:38:03,318
taxes that we take in.

1734
01:38:04,438 --> 01:38:05,198
So,

1735
01:38:06,218 --> 01:38:09,078
I have to balance stuff. So I started

1736
01:38:10,098 --> 01:38:13,878
in our staff. I think many of you

1737
01:38:13,978 --> 01:38:17,878
heard we proposed to remove Red Hot and Boom from the budget and

1738
01:38:19,078 --> 01:38:23,038
the library. And we struggled with what are the places, what could

1739
01:38:23,118 --> 01:38:26,718
we do? And where we landed was not

1740
01:38:26,778 --> 01:38:29,718
closing the library and having nothing.

1741
01:38:30,418 --> 01:38:34,248
What we started thinking about doing after

1742
01:38:34,278 --> 01:38:37,998
we looked at $750,000, a lot of

1743
01:38:38,078 --> 01:38:40,838
you have talked about libraries and other...

1744
01:38:41,978 --> 01:38:45,918
Maitland borrowed $14 million to build

1745
01:38:45,958 --> 01:38:47,778
the library that they just broke ground on.

1746
01:38:48,878 --> 01:38:52,298
We are a debt-free city, and one of the reasons why we're a debt-free city

1747
01:38:52,538 --> 01:38:55,898
is we try to do pay as you go. We save along the way.

1748
01:38:55,998 --> 01:38:56,418
We try to

1749
01:39:00,378 --> 01:39:01,938
do what

1750
01:39:03,598 --> 01:39:06,447
others communities don't do. They find themselves in a position where they're

1751
01:39:06,458 --> 01:39:08,858
paying debt service instead of for service.

1752
01:39:09,518 --> 01:39:10,358
So that is

1753
01:39:11,978 --> 01:39:15,318
a decades long, 15 years we've been debt-free.

1754
01:39:17,558 --> 01:39:20,138
So what we looked at doing,

1755
01:39:22,798 --> 01:39:23,378
because

1756
01:39:24,778 --> 01:39:28,148
the services themselves are really important,

1757
01:39:29,578 --> 01:39:33,538
we started looking at how do we take some of those library

1758
01:39:33,578 --> 01:39:36,318
services and move them to another place that has more traffic.

1759
01:39:37,438 --> 01:39:39,858
So while where we have evolved to

1760
01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:41,438
is

1761
01:39:42,598 --> 01:39:46,478
the proposed budget is not going to eliminate all library

1762
01:39:46,538 --> 01:39:50,518
services. We're going to try to move as many as we can to Westmont Park,

1763
01:39:50,558 --> 01:39:53,618
where we have annual traffic of about

1764
01:39:53,878 --> 01:39:56,378
250,000 ins and outs, visitors.

1765
01:39:58,118 --> 01:40:02,058
We have, for this year, right around 32,000

1766
01:40:02,178 --> 01:40:03,178
at the library.

1767
01:40:04,238 --> 01:40:04,758
We have

1768
01:40:06,398 --> 01:40:09,338
100,000 just in the spring at Eastmont.

1769
01:40:10,058 --> 01:40:12,378
So in one year, we have

1770
01:40:13,218 --> 01:40:16,718
more people going in and out in the spring of Eastmont than the library has for

1771
01:40:16,758 --> 01:40:20,618
three years, all total. So what we are going

1772
01:40:20,658 --> 01:40:23,758
to do is propose having library

1773
01:40:23,878 --> 01:40:27,608
services that we can have at Westmont, and we think

1774
01:40:27,698 --> 01:40:31,618
that it's going to expose library services

1775
01:40:31,658 --> 01:40:35,138
to a broader number of people, and a couple of people talked about

1776
01:40:35,978 --> 01:40:39,727
younger people and seniors. We already

1777
01:40:39,818 --> 01:40:43,678
have youth programs and senior programs at Westmont

1778
01:40:43,778 --> 01:40:46,378
Park. So there's a perfect tie together,

1779
01:40:48,798 --> 01:40:52,358
taking out the feelings about the library place.

1780
01:40:54,458 --> 01:40:56,898
That's what we're going to propose.

1781
01:40:56,977 --> 01:40:57,367
And

1782
01:40:58,218 --> 01:41:00,878
we also have to think about just the overall economics.

1783
01:41:02,858 --> 01:41:05,938
Our library is proposed to cost about

1784
01:41:05,958 --> 01:41:09,598
$750,000 with all of what we put into

1785
01:41:10,738 --> 01:41:11,698
the whole cost.

1786
01:41:12,898 --> 01:41:16,538
I learned today from the director of budget management,

1787
01:41:17,428 --> 01:41:20,718
the budget director at OMB for the Seminole County,

1788
01:41:22,418 --> 01:41:23,098
how much

1789
01:41:24,578 --> 01:41:27,958
Altamonte Springs businesses and residents paid in property

1790
01:41:28,078 --> 01:41:31,958
taxes to support the library

1791
01:41:32,038 --> 01:41:34,458
system that exists in Seminole County.

1792
01:41:34,488 --> 01:41:36,938
It's $545,000.

1793
01:41:38,258 --> 01:41:42,218
And as I sit and look at what am I going to propose as

1794
01:41:42,278 --> 01:41:44,458
a responsible chief executive here in the city,

1795
01:41:45,298 --> 01:41:48,518
that's almost $1.3 million in library services,

1796
01:41:49,198 --> 01:41:52,058
and we've not seen any uptick in the use of it.

1797
01:41:52,978 --> 01:41:53,278
So

1798
01:41:55,658 --> 01:41:58,978
my goal was how do we get some services used better?

1799
01:41:59,428 --> 01:42:01,558
And if we put them at Westmont Park, we think we

1800
01:42:02,578 --> 01:42:06,438
certainly get more eyeballs looking at

1801
01:42:06,478 --> 01:42:09,498
it. We already have those youth programs and senior programs there.

1802
01:42:09,578 --> 01:42:10,358
People talked about

1803
01:42:11,938 --> 01:42:14,978
job applications. Some of you, if you've been in the library, you know that we

1804
01:42:15,038 --> 01:42:17,758
moved in CareerSource from Central Florida

1805
01:42:18,718 --> 01:42:20,118
to try to drive traffic there.

1806
01:42:22,278 --> 01:42:26,038
And they have a little more than 500 people, about 386

1807
01:42:26,158 --> 01:42:27,598
unique people, I think that's the number.

1808
01:42:28,658 --> 01:42:29,318
But that's great.

1809
01:42:30,518 --> 01:42:34,378
We've talked to them about potentially moving to Westmont too.

1810
01:42:34,618 --> 01:42:36,338
They want to stay in the area if they can.

1811
01:42:37,038 --> 01:42:37,298
So-

1812
01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:42,550
This is a really wrenching decision, you'll read that in my transmittal,

1813
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:47,150
for me and for our team to recommend this.

1814
01:42:47,950 --> 01:42:51,890
But the reason why there are budgets every year is because economic

1815
01:42:51,950 --> 01:42:54,830
conditions change every year. And the

1816
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:59,050
funding that was raised by the city commission

1817
01:42:59,570 --> 01:43:02,550
to stabilize that particular budget,

1818
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:07,410
it absolutely did that. And in fact, it did it

1819
01:43:07,450 --> 01:43:11,389
for a second year. And I was asked that in our actual budget

1820
01:43:11,410 --> 01:43:15,190
hearings, and I said, "Yes, we're good for one, two, maybe three

1821
01:43:15,250 --> 01:43:15,650
years."

1822
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:20,230
This is the third year, and the economic conditions are

1823
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:22,530
different than they were two years ago, and even last year.

1824
01:43:23,190 --> 01:43:24,610
So, that is some of the background.

1825
01:43:24,770 --> 01:43:28,610
I appreciate Commissioner Attorney's point, and I

1826
01:43:28,670 --> 01:43:29,630
will be transmitting

1827
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:33,590
all of those details and all of that data

1828
01:43:34,510 --> 01:43:37,850
in my transmittal memo that will go to the city commission on Friday.

1829
01:43:38,350 --> 01:43:39,310
So I appreciate you

1830
01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:40,700
pointing that out.

1831
01:43:40,710 --> 01:43:42,890
Thank you for the thorough answer.

1832
01:43:44,170 --> 01:43:47,510
Did that satisfy your question? Did you get the answer you-

1833
01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:48,700
Commissioner Jones

1834
01:43:48,710 --> 01:43:49,590
... Are you happy with that?

1835
01:43:51,010 --> 01:43:51,770
Yes, no? Okay.

1836
01:43:51,980 --> 01:43:51,980
Yeah.

1837
01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:52,550
I just wanted to-

1838
01:43:52,890 --> 01:43:53,590
No, I'm not.

1839
01:43:53,650 --> 01:43:56,469
Okay. All right. We did our best. Thank you.

1840
01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:59,110
Getting rid of red hot boom,

1841
01:44:00,730 --> 01:44:01,770
and we're still short.

1842
01:44:03,470 --> 01:44:04,690
Mayor, could I-

1843
01:44:04,730 --> 01:44:05,130
Yes.

1844
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:09,470
I was planning on addressing the library during my report.

1845
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:10,060
Mm-hmm.

1846
01:44:10,190 --> 01:44:11,910
Should I do it then, or now that it's come up

1847
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:16,010
out of line? Do you want me to talk about it now, or what's your pleasure?

1848
01:44:16,210 --> 01:44:16,370
Go ahead.

1849
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:17,050
Okay.

1850
01:44:19,010 --> 01:44:19,590
So commissioners,

1851
01:44:21,370 --> 01:44:24,390
I was planning on talking about the library even before all the comments because,

1852
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:28,570
as you know, I was not at the June 24th budget workshop that you had

1853
01:44:29,210 --> 01:44:32,970
Wednesday morning on June 24th. I had a work obligation I had to be

1854
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:35,310
at, couldn't make that meeting.

1855
01:44:36,370 --> 01:44:40,170
For future reference, it's just a discussion for another day.

1856
01:44:40,210 --> 01:44:43,750
We should probably have those meetings not during a Wednesday morning.

1857
01:44:43,810 --> 01:44:47,310
But like I said, I couldn't be there because of a work commitment.

1858
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:50,750
I did have a makeup session with staff on July 7th.

1859
01:44:50,770 --> 01:44:51,470
Hmm.

1860
01:44:51,550 --> 01:44:55,210
At that July 7th meeting, I let staff know that I would be voting

1861
01:44:55,290 --> 01:44:57,940
against any budget that did not fully fund the library.

1862
01:44:58,239 --> 01:44:59,690
That's still my position.

1863
01:45:01,770 --> 01:45:03,110
Just to recap

1864
01:45:04,190 --> 01:45:07,940
the legislative intent or my intent behind what happened two

1865
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:08,550
years ago.

1866
01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:12,250
As Mr. Martz mentioned, I'm the one that called the special meeting-

1867
01:45:12,610 --> 01:45:13,210
Mm-hmm

1868
01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:15,679
... two years ago to

1869
01:45:16,490 --> 01:45:17,930
discuss raising the millage.

1870
01:45:19,190 --> 01:45:22,270
The idea of raising taxes is against everything I stand for.

1871
01:45:22,710 --> 01:45:26,550
The reason why I did that is because I had dozens and

1872
01:45:26,650 --> 01:45:30,170
dozens and dozens of citizens calling me, stopping up at my home,

1873
01:45:30,570 --> 01:45:33,490
asking me to do something to save the library.

1874
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:37,230
So that's why I called that special meeting. We had the discussion.

1875
01:45:37,690 --> 01:45:41,210
I'm the one that made the motion to increase our millage rate by

1876
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:44,390
.9 mills. The idea behind that,

1877
01:45:45,770 --> 01:45:49,350
in talking with the city manager, and I knew the issue that we had, or the issues

1878
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:53,310
we were having and the problems we were facing with our police department, with

1879
01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:54,590
funding for our police department.

1880
01:45:55,190 --> 01:45:59,090
So my intent was to package those together, to save the

1881
01:45:59,150 --> 01:46:03,070
library, to fund the library, and then with the extra money,

1882
01:46:03,150 --> 01:46:06,410
to stabilize our police funding. But the

1883
01:46:06,810 --> 01:46:10,210
reason for the special meeting, the reason for the motion, first and

1884
01:46:10,290 --> 01:46:12,310
foremost, was to save the library.

1885
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:15,510
Anything extra was to stabilize police funding.

1886
01:46:15,610 --> 01:46:15,850
Mm-hmm.

1887
01:46:16,590 --> 01:46:20,270
There's nobody calling me, no citizens asking us to raise the millage rate

1888
01:46:20,650 --> 01:46:24,290
to stabilize our police funding. Nobody cared about that.

1889
01:46:24,770 --> 01:46:27,620
Even the police department, nobody was asking me from the police department.

1890
01:46:28,170 --> 01:46:31,430
It was because our residents asked

1891
01:46:31,970 --> 01:46:35,930
to raise their taxes. Which still, thinking back, I just

1892
01:46:35,970 --> 01:46:37,230
can't believe they even did that.

1893
01:46:37,470 --> 01:46:37,540
Mm-hmm.

1894
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:40,790
It blows my mind, but that's what they wanted.

1895
01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:44,870
If we're now not going to fund the library, let's

1896
01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:48,410
restore the millage rate to what it was before, and then if we want to have the

1897
01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:52,050
discussion about raising it again just for police only, let's do that.

1898
01:46:52,370 --> 01:46:53,910
But let somebody else make the motion.

1899
01:46:54,910 --> 01:46:55,149
So

1900
01:46:56,490 --> 01:47:00,270
like I said, I'm going to vote no on any proposed budget that doesn't include full

1901
01:47:00,370 --> 01:47:02,010
funding. I was planning on

1902
01:47:03,330 --> 01:47:06,950
making these comments on September 3rd when we were scheduled to talk about it,

1903
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:07,150
but-

1904
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:07,520
Mm-hmm

1905
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,270
... obviously we started early. But

1906
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:14,690
again, if we're not going to do that, let's return the millage rate to

1907
01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,230
3.1, and then at that same meeting, if one of you wants to

1908
01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:23,320
raise it again to 4.0 for the purposes of police funding and

1909
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:24,040
then whatever else,

1910
01:47:25,290 --> 01:47:26,510
let's have that discussion there.

1911
01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:30,570
But the intent two years ago was to save the library.

1912
01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:34,290
The community support that we got was to save the library,

1913
01:47:34,330 --> 01:47:36,550
and anything beyond--

1914
01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,660
Closing the library doesn't honor that

1915
01:47:41,970 --> 01:47:44,510
request that we heard from our citizens, and

1916
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:49,430
I think it's a bait and switch. So I wasn't going to speak this much like

1917
01:47:49,470 --> 01:47:51,790
I said, but this kind of went out of order, and

1918
01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:55,690
that's where I am on it just so that everyone knows, and

1919
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:59,190
look forward to continued discussion on September 3rd.

1920
01:48:04,230 --> 01:48:04,430
Power.

1921
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:10,140
Well, if we're going to continue library conversation-

1922
01:48:10,410 --> 01:48:10,730
We have--

1923
01:48:11,690 --> 01:48:13,110
Can we have him come up first?

1924
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:13,970
Sure. Go right ahead.

1925
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:14,270
Thank you.

1926
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,390
Hi, Joseph Charles, 425 Center Point Circle.

1927
01:48:23,150 --> 01:48:26,170
I just want to thank everyone here for listening to all of our concerns.

1928
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:30,170
We're all neighbors here, and we trust that you listen to our concerns.

1929
01:48:30,590 --> 01:48:34,490
So I'd just like to kindly ask that when you all review the tape, go back and

1930
01:48:34,570 --> 01:48:36,250
listen to the comments made tonight.

1931
01:48:36,650 --> 01:48:40,410
Instead of looking for rebuttals based on audits and court cases, really listen

1932
01:48:40,670 --> 01:48:42,770
to why we're concerned about this.

1933
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:46,850
We don't want to live in a surveillance state where innocent people have their

1934
01:48:46,910 --> 01:48:50,710
license plate, their daily schedules, things they do every day tracked in a

1935
01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:54,610
database, and they have no option to opt in or opt out to

1936
01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:54,770
it

1937
01:48:55,574 --> 01:48:59,464
These are concerns that we have regardless of perfect audits, regardless

1938
01:48:59,554 --> 01:49:02,334
of... I understand we do have the best police department.

1939
01:49:02,674 --> 01:49:05,494
I firmly believe that. I love our police here, and

1940
01:49:07,014 --> 01:49:10,574
I want them to have the tools to catch criminals,

1941
01:49:10,994 --> 01:49:14,534
but this is not the way. We need to protect our innocent

1942
01:49:14,634 --> 01:49:16,854
citizens, the people of Altamonte Springs.

1943
01:49:17,194 --> 01:49:21,134
Listen to your neighbors who've come here tonight and taken the stage

1944
01:49:21,274 --> 01:49:24,294
and voiced their opinion of why this concerns them.

1945
01:49:24,514 --> 01:49:27,494
It's not an easy thing to do to come up here and to

1946
01:49:27,554 --> 01:49:31,394
explain what that is that they're afraid of, what it

1947
01:49:31,454 --> 01:49:33,334
is that keeps them up at night.

1948
01:49:34,394 --> 01:49:37,474
Commissioner Reese, I promise you, once you've seen one flock camera, you can't

1949
01:49:37,534 --> 01:49:38,074
unsee them.

1950
01:49:39,274 --> 01:49:41,514
So I'd like to kindly ask that-

1951
01:49:41,554 --> 01:49:42,644
I'm going to look them up when I leave.

1952
01:49:43,664 --> 01:49:44,544
I'm going to Google them.

1953
01:49:46,854 --> 01:49:46,863
Far.

1954
01:49:46,894 --> 01:49:50,644
I'd like to kindly ask that everyone here please review the tape and

1955
01:49:50,674 --> 01:49:54,314
really take a moment to understand why we're concerned about these cameras,

1956
01:49:54,654 --> 01:49:56,494
and let's rip these things out of the ground.

1957
01:49:56,914 --> 01:49:57,414
Hear hear.

1958
01:49:57,444 --> 01:49:58,034
Thank you.

1959
01:50:02,034 --> 01:50:04,794
Chairman.

1960
01:50:05,274 --> 01:50:07,374
I'll wait till we do individual reports.

1961
01:50:07,454 --> 01:50:07,794
All right.

1962
01:50:09,454 --> 01:50:12,074
Does anyone else wish to speak? Yes, sir.

1963
01:50:16,734 --> 01:50:17,754
Hello, my name is Marcus.

1964
01:50:18,714 --> 01:50:22,254
A resident of 30 years of Altamonte, Apopka, Maitland, all

1965
01:50:22,314 --> 01:50:22,874
abroad.

1966
01:50:24,494 --> 01:50:26,774
Been a Floridian my whole life.

1967
01:50:28,774 --> 01:50:29,394
And

1968
01:50:30,974 --> 01:50:33,974
security increases all the time. We always have traffic cameras.

1969
01:50:34,234 --> 01:50:37,834
We have CNN cameras. We have Fox News cameras. We have traffic light cameras.

1970
01:50:40,014 --> 01:50:43,114
Everything like that. But these flock cameras, you say they're DHS.

1971
01:50:43,834 --> 01:50:46,914
So that means you guys have the contract,

1972
01:50:47,434 --> 01:50:47,834
but

1973
01:50:49,014 --> 01:50:50,714
the footage is going to DHS.

1974
01:50:51,574 --> 01:50:54,434
That's federal, that's CIA, that's FBI.

1975
01:50:55,354 --> 01:50:59,114
Your phones are no different. My phone has been tracking me since 2008.

1976
01:51:00,154 --> 01:51:03,514
You can go into your system, your SIM card tracks everything.

1977
01:51:03,714 --> 01:51:05,414
Your IP address tracks everything.

1978
01:51:08,334 --> 01:51:12,274
It's 2026. 2008, my same phone has been tracked, everything

1979
01:51:12,374 --> 01:51:12,874
I have done.

1980
01:51:14,394 --> 01:51:17,033
There's nothing that you can do about it. Your license plate's everywhere.

1981
01:51:19,174 --> 01:51:22,074
We can cut them down and all that kind of stuff, but there's no need for that.

1982
01:51:22,174 --> 01:51:26,014
We don't need this stuff in here. If you're getting rid of $750,000,

1983
01:51:26,454 --> 01:51:28,854
what are you doing with that? Also,

1984
01:51:30,074 --> 01:51:33,334
how much is a DHS budget yearly?

1985
01:51:34,314 --> 01:51:37,174
What does that go to? How many cameras can that put up?

1986
01:51:38,074 --> 01:51:41,674
If a camera costs like 2,500 bucks a pop

1987
01:51:41,814 --> 01:51:44,554
and say $750,000,

1988
01:51:45,934 --> 01:51:46,774
250 cams

1989
01:51:48,114 --> 01:51:49,314
from 22-ish right now.

1990
01:51:50,274 --> 01:51:50,534
So,

1991
01:51:51,854 --> 01:51:52,154
I don't know.

1992
01:51:53,974 --> 01:51:54,614
It's just not cool.

1993
01:51:56,474 --> 01:51:56,834
That's it.

1994
01:51:57,154 --> 01:51:57,414
Amen.

1995
01:51:57,734 --> 01:51:58,454
Thank you.

1996
01:51:59,504 --> 01:52:00,424
Appreciate it.

1997
01:52:00,454 --> 01:52:00,794
Woo.

1998
01:52:06,644 --> 01:52:07,734
Anyone else?

1999
01:52:24,574 --> 01:52:27,584
Hi, my name is Michael Hairston. I reside in 32750.

2000
01:52:28,463 --> 01:52:31,894
I just have one request is for your report, Mr. Martz.

2001
01:52:32,434 --> 01:52:33,934
Again, well, thank you all for your service.

2002
01:52:34,354 --> 01:52:35,914
Appreciate you all listening to us tonight.

2003
01:52:36,434 --> 01:52:38,174
We greatly appreciate it, or at least I do.

2004
01:52:39,534 --> 01:52:43,374
But one thing I have to ask, regardless of what everyone else has said, on top of

2005
01:52:43,434 --> 01:52:47,034
that, one thing I request in your report is to see the

2006
01:52:47,044 --> 01:52:48,954
efficiency of these flock cameras.

2007
01:52:49,534 --> 01:52:52,164
Because if they're not doing anything, on top of everything else, if they're not

2008
01:52:52,194 --> 01:52:55,174
reducing the crime rate, what's the point of having them?

2009
01:52:55,214 --> 01:52:58,934
And that's pretty much all I have to say, and I would request,

2010
01:52:59,294 --> 01:53:01,094
can I have a business card, Mr. Martz, please? Sorry.

2011
01:53:03,034 --> 01:53:04,433
But that's all I have to really say.

2012
01:53:04,814 --> 01:53:05,214
Thank you.

2013
01:53:05,674 --> 01:53:06,054
Thank you.

2014
01:53:13,754 --> 01:53:14,574
Anyone else?

2015
01:53:18,714 --> 01:53:19,874
Thank you, all. I will

2016
01:53:20,694 --> 01:53:21,774
start our reports

2017
01:53:22,654 --> 01:53:23,354
to our attorney.

2018
01:53:23,754 --> 01:53:24,654
Nothing from me tonight.

2019
01:53:24,934 --> 01:53:26,394
Thank you. Ms. Angie?

2020
01:53:26,854 --> 01:53:27,554
Nothing, thank you.

2021
01:53:28,134 --> 01:53:28,614
Mr. Martz?

2022
01:53:28,914 --> 01:53:29,974
I have a couple of things.

2023
01:53:31,314 --> 01:53:34,994
First of all, it's great to see everybody out here and the concern that they

2024
01:53:35,034 --> 01:53:36,454
have. And,

2025
01:53:37,414 --> 01:53:41,264
in the events of two years ago and then the preparation of the

2026
01:53:41,354 --> 01:53:41,714
budget,

2027
01:53:43,434 --> 01:53:46,554
what I probably should have done, and I've had this conversation with Commissioner

2028
01:53:46,574 --> 01:53:48,634
O'Malley, is I should have

2029
01:53:49,774 --> 01:53:53,594
presented a tax increase then for the

2030
01:53:53,634 --> 01:53:57,414
police needs that were present then. I was going to try to work that through.

2031
01:53:58,294 --> 01:54:02,214
And as I discussed with Commissioner O'Malley, the reason why

2032
01:54:02,374 --> 01:54:05,934
I suggested we do all of those things is because,

2033
01:54:07,774 --> 01:54:09,754
first of all, they were real needs.

2034
01:54:10,634 --> 01:54:14,134
Second, the importance of

2035
01:54:14,694 --> 01:54:18,274
the budget process and trying to do them together from a fiscal standpoint made

2036
01:54:18,314 --> 01:54:21,934
some sense. So, that's the reason I did it,

2037
01:54:22,034 --> 01:54:25,814
and we had pretty extensive conversations along the way with all of

2038
01:54:25,874 --> 01:54:27,474
us, just about how

2039
01:54:28,594 --> 01:54:29,814
we were

2040
01:54:31,834 --> 01:54:35,314
trying to move forward. And we had, obviously, extensive conversation from

2041
01:54:36,834 --> 01:54:37,554
the community,

2042
01:54:38,394 --> 01:54:41,454
those people who came to those meetings.

2043
01:54:42,414 --> 01:54:44,914
And so really appreciate everybody coming tonight.

2044
01:54:46,174 --> 01:54:50,134
I have a couple of other things that I want to let

2045
01:54:50,194 --> 01:54:51,134
you know about.

2046
01:54:52,694 --> 01:54:54,934
A couple are sad, and

2047
01:54:55,894 --> 01:54:59,174
one is really, really good. I will tell you one informational item.

2048
01:54:59,954 --> 01:55:02,914
You may have seen that the Department of Emergency Management-

2049
01:55:03,314 --> 01:55:03,324
Mm-hmm

2050
01:55:03,714 --> 01:55:04,554
... director

2051
01:55:05,934 --> 01:55:09,464
left That is a concern, obviously, for us because

2052
01:55:09,954 --> 01:55:12,284
talking to Commissioner Turney a little bit earlier,

2053
01:55:12,834 --> 01:55:16,794
the preparation for hurricane season,

2054
01:55:17,394 --> 01:55:21,234
this is the middle of August, so as we start to prepare for

2055
01:55:22,474 --> 01:55:23,514
hurricane season.

2056
01:55:24,854 --> 01:55:27,274
The person who's taking it over is Secretary Perdue.

2057
01:55:27,654 --> 01:55:27,664
Right.

2058
01:55:27,674 --> 01:55:31,514
We all know him, and he's just a highly skilled and competent person.

2059
01:55:33,074 --> 01:55:33,614
But

2060
01:55:34,894 --> 01:55:37,814
there is change afoot, so I wanted to let everybody know if you

2061
01:55:39,054 --> 01:55:39,974
had not seen that.

2062
01:55:40,814 --> 01:55:43,814
We'll make sure that we stay on top of what's happening with the state and making

2063
01:55:43,854 --> 01:55:44,834
sure that coordination

2064
01:55:45,874 --> 01:55:47,854
remains in place. I have

2065
01:55:48,654 --> 01:55:48,994
two

2066
01:55:49,994 --> 01:55:51,254
somewhat sad things to

2067
01:55:52,274 --> 01:55:55,353
report to you. The first, as you know, Dorothy Hussey passed away.

2068
01:55:55,794 --> 01:55:58,994
She was the wife of former Commissioner Gardner Hussey.

2069
01:55:59,154 --> 01:55:59,554
Yeah.

2070
01:56:00,814 --> 01:56:00,994
And I

2071
01:56:02,354 --> 01:56:06,254
have that funeral program, if anybody would like to see it.

2072
01:56:07,014 --> 01:56:10,554
Tiffany Bryan, who some of you may know, a longtime chemist for the city,

2073
01:56:10,994 --> 01:56:14,134
her husband passed away unexpectedly.

2074
01:56:14,184 --> 01:56:16,733
And just keep her in your thoughts and your prayers, if you don't mind.

2075
01:56:17,044 --> 01:56:19,794
The recess approvals are in front of you.

2076
01:56:19,854 --> 01:56:23,774
The bright moment that I'd like to report

2077
01:56:23,834 --> 01:56:27,374
to you is we have a police cadet named Jackson

2078
01:56:27,434 --> 01:56:29,464
Soper, who was driving

2079
01:56:30,314 --> 01:56:31,934
back on I-95,

2080
01:56:33,634 --> 01:56:37,444
and noticed a car that had left the highway and gone into a

2081
01:56:37,454 --> 01:56:41,094
retention pond. And he stopped, and went into the

2082
01:56:41,174 --> 01:56:43,994
water, and saved two individuals who would've drowned.

2083
01:56:44,294 --> 01:56:44,494
Mm.

2084
01:56:44,554 --> 01:56:44,994
And

2085
01:56:46,954 --> 01:56:50,874
at great risk because the car was in the process of sinking.

2086
01:56:50,954 --> 01:56:52,374
So it's

2087
01:56:52,834 --> 01:56:56,554
one of those moments

2088
01:56:56,594 --> 01:57:00,514
where you tack it on to the other times that I was telling all of

2089
01:57:00,574 --> 01:57:04,274
you about the contractor who had a heart attack in the middle of the street,

2090
01:57:04,694 --> 01:57:08,514
and our employees stepped in and performed life-saving

2091
01:57:08,534 --> 01:57:09,074
measures.

2092
01:57:10,454 --> 01:57:14,354
And a lot of the other things many of our employees do day in and day out.

2093
01:57:14,434 --> 01:57:14,574
But

2094
01:57:15,474 --> 01:57:18,014
Jackson Soper went into the water at great risk to himself, and

2095
01:57:19,274 --> 01:57:23,014
he saved those folks, and deserves to be

2096
01:57:23,054 --> 01:57:23,734
recognized.

2097
01:57:23,764 --> 01:57:23,764
Yeah.

2098
01:57:24,354 --> 01:57:26,234
I wanted to make sure that was on the record.

2099
01:57:26,634 --> 01:57:29,034
So if you'd like to see Dorothy's...

2100
01:57:30,334 --> 01:57:34,034
Some of you were at the funeral. If you'd like to see Dorothy's funeral

2101
01:57:34,094 --> 01:57:36,034
guide, it'll be in Amanda's office.

2102
01:57:37,854 --> 01:57:39,134
Thank you.

2103
01:57:41,234 --> 01:57:43,994
Commissioner O'Malley, do you have anything else?

2104
01:57:44,134 --> 01:57:44,924
No, I certainly do not.

2105
01:57:45,374 --> 01:57:46,534
Thank you. Appreciate it.

2106
01:57:47,374 --> 01:57:48,134
Commissioner Reece.

2107
01:57:49,274 --> 01:57:51,394
I don't have anything extra tonight. Thank you.

2108
01:57:51,454 --> 01:57:51,794
Thank you.

2109
01:57:52,694 --> 01:57:53,474
Commissioner Turney.

2110
01:57:54,834 --> 01:57:58,614
Yes, I have to tell you all that I really appreciate,

2111
01:57:59,254 --> 01:58:02,894
more than you'll ever know, that you're here tonight, especially

2112
01:58:03,414 --> 01:58:06,334
the folks who've come to talk about the surveillance

2113
01:58:06,994 --> 01:58:07,514
cameras.

2114
01:58:10,054 --> 01:58:13,954
It has been an issue for me, a strong issue for me,

2115
01:58:14,094 --> 01:58:15,434
for 25 years,

2116
01:58:16,454 --> 01:58:17,774
and it really

2117
01:58:18,954 --> 01:58:21,654
feels good to know that other people are starting to care.

2118
01:58:23,574 --> 01:58:27,514
I don't want to dig into that any further, but we could be here all night if I did.

2119
01:58:27,554 --> 01:58:31,434
So I'll just leave it at that. I really appreciate that you're

2120
01:58:31,494 --> 01:58:34,754
here speaking out, and

2121
01:58:35,654 --> 01:58:36,034
it is

2122
01:58:36,894 --> 01:58:40,794
a significant issue, and it's not the only one, unfortunately, but

2123
01:58:40,874 --> 01:58:44,774
it is one that people can see, and even Commissioner Reece will start

2124
01:58:44,834 --> 01:58:46,154
probably seeing it now.

2125
01:58:48,574 --> 01:58:52,354
And there's so many things that are surveillance that people

2126
01:58:52,394 --> 01:58:52,974
don't see.

2127
01:58:55,634 --> 01:58:59,154
But it's very comprehensive, more

2128
01:58:59,194 --> 01:59:02,174
comprehensive than most people are aware of.

2129
01:59:04,454 --> 01:59:05,354
So that's

2130
01:59:06,214 --> 01:59:10,054
it. I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your being here and speaking out.

2131
01:59:10,114 --> 01:59:10,434
Thank you.

2132
01:59:15,254 --> 01:59:16,204
Commissioner Brunschwig.

2133
01:59:17,054 --> 01:59:20,794
Well, I'm thankful for everybody attending, bringing their issues to the light of

2134
01:59:20,874 --> 01:59:24,554
day of their opinion on Flock, the library, and some other things as

2135
01:59:24,614 --> 01:59:25,454
well.

2136
01:59:26,614 --> 01:59:30,274
This is the forum to hear them, and this is how we institute change and move

2137
01:59:30,334 --> 01:59:34,214
forward to try to do better for our city, for our families, and to

2138
01:59:34,254 --> 01:59:35,433
move forward into the future.

2139
01:59:39,094 --> 01:59:43,014
The library is a challenge. It's $750,000.

2140
01:59:43,214 --> 01:59:44,134
It's a large amount of money.

2141
01:59:45,174 --> 01:59:46,574
It lives over here in the east.

2142
01:59:48,174 --> 01:59:51,674
I spoke about it two years ago when there was talk of possibly moving City Hall.

2143
01:59:52,874 --> 01:59:56,534
It doesn't need to go away. It needs to be centralized and reimagined to have the

2144
01:59:56,574 --> 02:00:00,434
services that are used, to have the right things in place

2145
02:00:00,574 --> 02:00:01,874
and be taken advantage of.

2146
02:00:02,754 --> 02:00:06,714
I see merit to the Westmont Park move to maintain some of those

2147
02:00:06,754 --> 02:00:07,334
services.

2148
02:00:09,014 --> 02:00:12,994
I also know that there is a county library 2.6 miles away from our

2149
02:00:13,034 --> 02:00:16,614
current city library. There's also a county library on the west side,

2150
02:00:17,234 --> 02:00:18,834
so there is some duplicate services.

2151
02:00:19,834 --> 02:00:23,334
And I think we also have to respect people that live on the other side of

2152
02:00:23,414 --> 02:00:25,494
I-4 in the west side of Altamonte.

2153
02:00:26,374 --> 02:00:29,994
What library are they going to? Do they utilize the city library?

2154
02:00:30,124 --> 02:00:32,154
Are they going to the county library over there?

2155
02:00:33,144 --> 02:00:36,474
There's a lot of information that we need to scale down and really take a look at.

2156
02:00:38,574 --> 02:00:39,654
And then on the Flock cameras,

2157
02:00:40,634 --> 02:00:44,454
tons of information, so well warranted, and I am

2158
02:00:44,494 --> 02:00:47,854
curious for all of the answers. I would like one

2159
02:00:47,934 --> 02:00:50,034
clarification and just to make sure, because I think Mr.

2160
02:00:50,254 --> 02:00:54,014
Mert said it before, we have no facial recognition in the city

2161
02:00:54,214 --> 02:00:55,433
currently. Is that correct?

2162
02:00:55,794 --> 02:00:55,874
No.

2163
02:00:56,294 --> 02:00:59,834
None. Okay. Just to clarify, because that was brought up in there,

2164
02:01:00,394 --> 02:01:02,814
that it's license plate readers. So

2165
02:01:03,774 --> 02:01:06,724
that's all I have at this time. I look forward to continuing conversations,

2166
02:01:07,234 --> 02:01:08,954
exploring solutions for the library.

2167
02:01:09,882 --> 02:01:13,022
Nobody's burning a pile of books. Books are not going away.

2168
02:01:13,662 --> 02:01:16,382
I work next door to the library. My kids go to the library.

2169
02:01:16,982 --> 02:01:18,282
It's important to me and my family.

2170
02:01:18,422 --> 02:01:22,182
It's figuring out the best way for it to be the

2171
02:01:22,222 --> 02:01:26,182
best library it can be for the entire city, not for part

2172
02:01:26,222 --> 02:01:29,202
of the city, because we have other resources.

2173
02:01:29,302 --> 02:01:32,842
So how do we pour the fuel into the engine that's performing

2174
02:01:32,882 --> 02:01:35,642
well and trim the fat that's not doing well?

2175
02:01:37,062 --> 02:01:39,862
Take it from the east and put it in the west, and now the east

2176
02:01:42,982 --> 02:01:46,682
It's more centralizing is what I like to see, but I want to see the data.

2177
02:01:46,802 --> 02:01:49,122
I'm not sitting up here and making a decision one way or another.

2178
02:01:49,302 --> 02:01:51,442
I want to see additional data of-

2179
02:01:51,512 --> 02:01:54,062
Putting it in the west is centralizing it. Yeah.

2180
02:01:56,562 --> 02:02:00,512
It depends on where density of the city is and where our population

2181
02:02:00,602 --> 02:02:04,442
is. So I'm glad to look at the data and what we see and come

2182
02:02:04,502 --> 02:02:05,842
forth with a solid answer for it.

2183
02:02:06,782 --> 02:02:09,822
What should the attendance rate be at the library per year?

2184
02:02:10,222 --> 02:02:11,662
Is it too low now?

2185
02:02:13,262 --> 02:02:15,052
We need 20,000 more a year

2186
02:02:17,302 --> 02:02:18,462
to make it important?

2187
02:02:20,502 --> 02:02:24,162
I don't know if there's a clear answer for that, but we have to respect the budget

2188
02:02:24,182 --> 02:02:25,542
and the money that goes into it.

2189
02:02:26,482 --> 02:02:28,462
Look into advertising for the library?

2190
02:02:30,062 --> 02:02:32,122
Does the population know about the programs?

2191
02:02:34,182 --> 02:02:37,042
Mr. Martz, I believe you had data that we've increased

2192
02:02:37,622 --> 02:02:40,762
significantly over the last two years of advertising and increased programs,

2193
02:02:40,842 --> 02:02:41,142
correct?

2194
02:02:41,462 --> 02:02:45,182
Yes. We've increased advertising around

2195
02:02:45,522 --> 02:02:48,822
190%. If you divide up the amount of

2196
02:02:48,922 --> 02:02:52,002
advertising of different types, email, e-blasts,

2197
02:02:52,382 --> 02:02:55,032
magazines, posters, graphics,

2198
02:02:56,182 --> 02:02:59,512
and you divided them equally through the year, we're

2199
02:02:59,522 --> 02:03:02,622
producing about 19 different

2200
02:03:03,042 --> 02:03:04,402
outputs every week

2201
02:03:05,482 --> 02:03:06,362
just about the library.

2202
02:03:07,842 --> 02:03:09,752
When you talk about moving services-

2203
02:03:10,222 --> 02:03:13,782
We need you all. If you're going to talk, we need you on the public

2204
02:03:13,922 --> 02:03:15,202
record. I'm sorry, but-

2205
02:03:15,762 --> 02:03:16,902
Public. It's over.

2206
02:03:17,112 --> 02:03:20,232
We're actually closed, all that, but-

2207
02:03:20,342 --> 02:03:20,532
Right

2208
02:03:21,162 --> 02:03:21,162
...

2209
02:03:23,002 --> 02:03:24,962
I will let you speak because I-

2210
02:03:24,982 --> 02:03:26,042
Thank you. It's a real quick

2211
02:03:26,122 --> 02:03:29,822
question.

2212
02:03:29,982 --> 02:03:33,942
Jude Stevens, 32714. When you talk

2213
02:03:34,042 --> 02:03:34,502
about

2214
02:03:35,602 --> 02:03:38,362
relocating some of the important services,

2215
02:03:39,322 --> 02:03:43,062
are we including books in that or not including, or just the services?

2216
02:03:44,542 --> 02:03:46,162
I think that remains to be determined so far.

2217
02:03:46,502 --> 02:03:47,502
Okay, thanks.

2218
02:03:47,842 --> 02:03:49,342
Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

2219
02:03:51,122 --> 02:03:51,892
One more.

2220
02:03:51,892 --> 02:03:52,162
Mayor.

2221
02:03:52,482 --> 02:03:52,822
Okay.

2222
02:03:53,182 --> 02:03:56,702
You're in city commission comments. You're not in public comments.

2223
02:03:57,082 --> 02:04:00,582
I realize that. I don't like to turn

2224
02:04:00,642 --> 02:04:03,332
anybody away who may have missed something.

2225
02:04:04,462 --> 02:04:05,382
Last one.

2226
02:04:08,662 --> 02:04:11,702
Thank you. I'm Patty Gable, 32701.

2227
02:04:12,842 --> 02:04:16,722
I understand you said that the city of Altamonte

2228
02:04:16,862 --> 02:04:19,522
has no facial recognition. However,

2229
02:04:20,502 --> 02:04:22,722
those cameras are DHS.

2230
02:04:23,642 --> 02:04:26,922
My question, if someone could find an answer,

2231
02:04:28,142 --> 02:04:31,672
that does not mean that

2232
02:04:31,682 --> 02:04:34,222
DHS does not do facial recognition.

2233
02:04:34,882 --> 02:04:38,792
And if the equipment right now does not do that,

2234
02:04:39,122 --> 02:04:42,822
it's a software modification to incorporate that.

2235
02:04:43,522 --> 02:04:44,882
So I would like to know...

2236
02:04:45,982 --> 02:04:46,382
Thank you.

2237
02:04:48,262 --> 02:04:51,562
So I would like to know if we can find that information out.

2238
02:04:51,882 --> 02:04:54,402
That's unbelievably critical.

2239
02:04:54,642 --> 02:04:55,082
Well, I-

2240
02:04:55,442 --> 02:04:57,402
I don't want anyone taking my face-

2241
02:04:57,431 --> 02:04:58,202
I get your question

2242
02:04:58,562 --> 02:05:02,022
... and using my information on me. I don't think so.

2243
02:05:02,862 --> 02:05:05,002
I don't live in a communist country.

2244
02:05:05,562 --> 02:05:06,922
I moved away from one, actually,

2245
02:05:07,902 --> 02:05:09,502
and that's how I can appreciate this.

2246
02:05:11,102 --> 02:05:14,362
But we need to be careful that we don't go there.

2247
02:05:14,862 --> 02:05:18,662
So if we could find that information out, that would be wonderful.

2248
02:05:18,782 --> 02:05:19,322
Thank you.

2249
02:05:24,382 --> 02:05:27,222
I allowed something that I wasn't supposed to allow.

2250
02:05:27,502 --> 02:05:27,922
Thank you.

2251
02:05:28,662 --> 02:05:28,822
But

2252
02:05:30,282 --> 02:05:31,462
I just feel like you all are-

2253
02:05:32,622 --> 02:05:33,062
That's why you're mayor

2254
02:05:33,071 --> 02:05:33,692
... important.

2255
02:05:33,692 --> 02:05:33,821
Engaged.

2256
02:05:33,862 --> 02:05:34,662
And

2257
02:05:36,602 --> 02:05:39,182
now it's my turn.

2258
02:05:42,942 --> 02:05:46,642
I want to let you all know, you

2259
02:05:46,662 --> 02:05:50,042
don't know this, but I brag on all of you all the time, our

2260
02:05:50,102 --> 02:05:50,822
citizens.

2261
02:05:52,242 --> 02:05:52,422
I'm

2262
02:05:53,362 --> 02:05:56,742
really involved with the Florida League of Cities, which is all

2263
02:05:57,022 --> 02:06:00,962
411 cities. And some of the stories that I have heard

2264
02:06:01,022 --> 02:06:02,222
at meetings like this

2265
02:06:03,062 --> 02:06:04,742
would curl your hair

2266
02:06:05,662 --> 02:06:09,642
at the disrespect that citizens have had for people sitting up

2267
02:06:09,682 --> 02:06:10,642
here.

2268
02:06:11,982 --> 02:06:14,042
I appreciate more than you know

2269
02:06:15,462 --> 02:06:18,662
the respect that you all had this evening for two

2270
02:06:19,202 --> 02:06:22,972
items that were really, really important to you and you felt

2271
02:06:23,062 --> 02:06:26,182
strongly about them. We never heard a cross word.

2272
02:06:27,282 --> 02:06:30,742
I can't tell you how many times I have sat back and listened to

2273
02:06:31,302 --> 02:06:34,962
other people in other cities, and I say, "Well, we

2274
02:06:35,022 --> 02:06:38,742
don't have citizens like that." And so you are

2275
02:06:38,802 --> 02:06:42,602
appreciated, and so if you come back to another meeting,

2276
02:06:43,102 --> 02:06:46,522
I've put you on notice, because I'm sure you'll be back.

2277
02:06:46,822 --> 02:06:48,762
But it's important

2278
02:06:49,962 --> 02:06:52,022
to me that you know

2279
02:06:53,322 --> 02:06:57,142
you're a special group of people, and it's one of the things that I

2280
02:06:57,182 --> 02:06:58,402
have admired for

2281
02:07:00,242 --> 02:07:00,562
years

2282
02:07:02,522 --> 02:07:04,182
about this city is that

2283
02:07:05,142 --> 02:07:07,422
between our citizens and our staff,

2284
02:07:08,422 --> 02:07:11,742
we truly have the best people, and I'm so

2285
02:07:11,802 --> 02:07:15,362
proud to be a part of this city. So thank you

2286
02:07:15,482 --> 02:07:19,102
all. Thank you to staff tonight. You are deeply

2287
02:07:19,142 --> 02:07:22,402
appreciated. And with that, we stand adjourned.

2288
02:07:22,902 --> 02:07:23,022
Thank

2289
02:07:23,102 --> 02:07:26,922
you.